Is Putin leaving Lenin to the West?

With all the hostility toward things Russian lately - Russian cats, Russian salad dressing, Russian junior athletes, etc., I haven't seen any news of hostility toward statues of Lenin in the USA.

Here at AoSHQ, there has been some discussion of an essay on "Leninthink" from time to time. I miss OregonMuse. Back in June, he wrote:

Published back in 2018, Cry Bullies: Protecting yourself against social muggers and victimhood aggression is a short book. . .
If you're going to buy this book (or even if you're not), I would suggest you also read Leninthink: On the pernicious legacy of Vladimir Lenin as a companion piece. It traces the SJW style of rhetoric and argumentation back to Lenin himself:

Basic books on negotiation teach that you can often do better than split the difference, since people have different concerns. Both sides can come out ahead—but not for the Soviets, whose negotiating stance John F. Kennedy once paraphrased as: what’s mine is mine; and what’s yours is negotiable. For us, the word “politics” means a process of give and take, but for Lenin it’s we take, and you give. From this it follows that one must take maximum advantage of one’s position. If the enemy is weak enough to be destroyed, and one stops simply at one’s initial demands, one is objectively helping the enemy, which makes one a traitor.
Lenin didn't bother explaining to his opponents, for example, the Socialist Revolutionaries, why they were wrong, just the fact that they weren't in 100% agreement with him at every point was enough to denounce them as traitors worthy of extermination.

The details concerning how Lenin thought and spoke which are discussed in this essay are horrifying.

I'm not sure that Putin has given up on all of this brand of thought and rhetoric. Some of it sounds a bit like it could encompass Robin DiAngelo's Kafka Traps, too. Though so far, I don't think she has advocated killing those in workshops who disagree with her.

But maybe Putin is not so wild about all of Lenin's ideas. We get some insight into Putin's preferences concerning Russian culture and academic ideology from a professor of political science and philosophy in Canada, in Vladimir Putin, Tyrant. These preferences may have led Putin away from Lenin's program in some ways. See what you think:

When Vladimir Putin sent Russian forces into Crimea in 2014, then-Secretary of State John Kerry professed bewilderment that such imperial aggression could happen in the modern age. It was like something out of "the 19th century." Kerry's reaction to Putin's recent invasion of Ukraine was equally baffled, as the patrician American diplomat lamented that the war would distract Putin from working with him on climate change. Common to both reactions was the astonishment that the material calculations and preoccupations of Western democracies might be blown away by a resurgence of old-fashioned tyrannical ambition.

. . . It is precisely the comparative peacefulness and prosperity of the democracies that lulls us into an unawareness that wolves like Putin and Xi Jinping are always prowling just beyond the perimeter of free self-government. Putin's latest aggression -- this time aimed at the very heart of Europe -- may have the salutary effect of shocking us into looking the threat of tyranny straight in the face.

Although Putin's ambition is to restore Russian control over its former Warsaw Pact captive states, he in no way wishes to restore the Soviet regime itself. Russian history has long been riven by a cultural conflict between those who look to Europe, the West, and the Enlightenment as the path that Russia should follow and those who are loyal to Slavic nationalism, which is deeply religious and not interested in economic prosperity. In literature, this divide was typified by the different outlooks of Turgenev and Dostoyevsky, which Tolstoy crystallized as the difference between St. Petersburg and Moscow. During the era of anti-Soviet dissidence, this split was typified by Sakharov and Solzhenitsyn. Putin is in the Slavophile camp. A devotee of Berdyaev, a Slavophile critic of Marxism-Leninism, Putin believes that Soviet communism was an import of European rationalism that poisoned the authentic Russian soul, which has nourished the country's national and artistic greatness.

I am left wondering what Putin might mean by "deeply religious". I think he means it in a cultural, rather than in a personal sense. He has provided financial and other support to the Russian Orthodox Church, and has apparently given some religious autonomy to Muslim leaders in Chechnya, from whence many fighters are going to Ukraine.

A lot of leftism in the West, particularly the "Woke" brand, is pretty devoid of "European rationalism" at this time. Do Putin and Western leftists seem to understand each other especially well? I'm not seeing it at the moment, but maybe I'm looking at the wrong leftists.

. . . Slavophile thought is crucial to Putin's worldview, including both Berdyaev and also the modern writer Aleksandr Dugin's ideology of "Eurasianist National Bolshevism." Dugin, an academic and popular pundit, tried to rescue what he saw as the authentically Russian agrarian populist impulse behind the original Bolshevik Revolution from its betrayal by Lenin's "scientific" socialism imported from European thought, calling instead for a "revolution of archaic values" based on the blood and soil traditions of family, rural life, and religious faith. Putin commissioned Dugin to overhaul the Russian education system to remove all traces of Gorbachev-era glasnost and perestroika, which both believed were signs of creeping Enlightenment rationalism and materialism corrupting the Motherland.

Great. They eliminated from the Russian educational system any evidence that glastnost and perestroika, however flawed, were tried. Margaret Thostaer said that she wished the West had been nicer to Gorbachev.

Dugin gave Putin the ideology he needed to reject the tainted European strain of Soviet communism while rehabilitating it as a great patriotic people's movement, including the rehabilitation of Stalin in his role as wartime champion against Hitler. This ideology also enabled Putin to make what is to him a coherent argument that, while the Soviet communist regime will never be restored, the Slavophilic populism that was its true lifeblood can be--a national tribalism extending to all Slavic peoples including Ukraine, Poland, and the Balkans, who must be gathered back into the Russian fold.
Noteworthy also here is Dugin's fascination with Martin Heidegger, who lent his prestige as Germany's leading thinker in the 1930s to enthusiastic support for National Socialism. . .

Maybe this has something to do with Putin's recent assertions that Ukraine has no culture of its own, which have led to an increase in the popularity of Ukrainian music in Europe.

This Dugin guy sounds dangerous to me:

Here is where Putin's grand geopolitical map for Russia becomes more clear. Dugin argues that Russia's salvational role in the world must begin with its gradual recovery of its lost Slavic brethren in Ukraine and Moldova. But that is only the beginning. The long-range goal is world war between Russia and the United States, the leader of the "bourgeois" West. Preparing for that war involves Eurasianism making an alliance with radical Islam. . .

You may want to read the whole thing. And maybe think about Russia and Iran.

Here's where Daniel Greenfield comes in with Islam is the only winner in the Ukraine War:

Russia, with a birth rate of 1.5 children per woman, has invaded Ukraine, where the birth rate is 1.2 children per woman, to determine which nation with below replacement birth rates will go extinct the fastest. In the long run the only winners of the war to determine whether Ukraine will belong to the 1.2 or 1.5 people will be the Chechen and other Muslim soldiers doing the fighting.
The Chechens have a birth rate of 2.5. Their religion and mosques are more likely to inherit the territories they are fighting over than either the Russian or Ukrainian Orthodox churches.
The Chechens have a birth rate of 2.5. Their religion and mosques are more likely to inherit the territories they are fighting over than either the Russian or Ukrainian Orthodox churches.

Russia went into WWI with a birth rate of around 7, by the time the Soviet Union collapsed it had also fallen beyond replacement rates. Like the Europeans, its birth rate is artificially inflated by a growing Muslim population, legal or illegal, even in major cities like Moscow. . .
Western Europe and Russia have dueling visions for Ukraine and the territories of the former Soviet Union. Europe would like them to join a wonderful union based around peace, tolerance, and importing millions of Muslims to balance out all the peaceful tolerant Europeans. Putin would like to induct them into Greater Russia which will unite Islam and Christianity.
Europeans claim that they can have a tolerant society built around the demographic growth of a religion that murders unbelievers. Putin claims that a new Christian Russian empire will be built on a multifaith alliance with a religion that has spent centuries destroying Christian empires.

This part lends credence to the observation that Putin seems to be building his ideology around the grand ideas of Dugin and others like him:

Putin contends that, "we have Eastern Christianity and certain theoreticians say that it is much closer to Islam than Catholicism is.". The Communist era left more "certain theoreticians" than dead dogs in Russia.

In the short term, European and Russian leaders and oligarchs expect to derive some temporary benefit from this latest episode in the death throes of our civilization.
In the long term, they are dooming us all. . .
China and the Islamic Ummah need only watch and alternately cheer both sides on.
Much of Russia's land, like America's land, has already been leased out to China. While Putin chases Ukrainian territory, Russia proper is owned by China and colonized by Muslim migrants. Russia's takeover of Crimea spurred Chinese investment in the area. Whatever Ukrainian territory Putin takes will ultimately benefit Chinese industries and their Russian middlemen.
But there'll probably be a board seat in there somewhere for Hunter Biden or Neil Bush.

America, like Europe, Russia, and the rest of what once passed for the civilized world, have become profoundly unserious, crowded into social media echo chambers, shouting trending hashtags, and refusing to think in any terms longer than their attention deficit disorders. . .

There are more particulars in the full essay.

Short Subjects, related or not

More on Russian Literature

Before the "Leninthink" essay discussed above, Gary Saul Morson wrote another one, How the great truth dawned, in which he tried to explain the great importance of Russian literature to Russians. It hones in on the works of Solzhenitsyn:

If we remember that totalitarians and terrorists think of themselves as warriors for justice, we can appreciate how good people can join them. Lev Kopelev, the model for Solzhenitsyn's character Rubin, describes how, as a young man, he went to the countryside to help enforce the collectivization of agriculture. Bolshevik policy included the enforced starvation of several million peasants, and Kopelev describes how he was able to take morsels of food "from women and children with distended bellies, turning blue, still breathing but with vacant, lifeless eyes," in the ardent conviction that he was building socialism. Other memoirs of this period also describe how a loyal communist at last awoke to what he (or she) did. In this way, the Soviet experience inspired a rebirth of conversion literature, and Solzhenitsyn's Gulag, which details his own change from Bolshevik to Christian, is a prime example.

It is quite a complex piece.

Here's another by the same author, for the Book Thread crowd:

Demons is a book for East and West alike, one for all those who wish to rescue the soul of modern man," Daniel Mahoney rightly maintains. It is especially pertinent today when many Western intellectuals seem ready to repeat the mistakes of the nineteenth-century Russian intelligentsia. We know where that led.
So, indeed, do some of those Western intellectuals. Unlike the pre-revolutionary Russian intelligentsia, who could not be sure where their ideas would lead, those who embrace Marxist-Leninist tenets today do. The question arises: Do they want to eliminate those with whom they disagree? Do they actually approve of the Gulag, the Soviet terror famine, and the Cambodian killing fields? Or have they simply learned to deflect mention of those events without even considering what they actually think about them--as Leninist training would instruct?
When such questions occur to me, I turn to Dostoevsky's fiction--and to Solzhenitsyn's novels August 1914 and November 1916. I wonder that Bernie Sanders, to take one example, twice endorsed the presidential candidate of the Marxist-Leninist Socialist Workers Party and in 1980 belonged to its slate of presidential electors. He took a honeymoon in the USSR, which no one visited for the weather. I wonder still more at his journalistic and intellectual supporters who do not find these facts troubling. Perhaps they are simply "inebriated by the cult of revolution" (in Mahoney's words) and by the pleasure of going along with the progressive crowd?

Dostoevsky claimed special insight into the radical mindset because he had once shared it and been exiled to Siberia for it. He identified among the supporters of revolution a spectrum of understanding and a variety of motives.
So far as I know, Dostoevsky was the only nineteenth-century thinker to have foreseen totalitarianism in detail. . .

Comments

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1 Yes

Posted by: Skip at March 05, 2022 11:14 AM (2JoB8)

2 The Left still.loves Lenin & Stalin and the Soviets.
They hate Russia for no being Soviet anymore

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at March 05, 2022 11:16 AM (lCui1)

3 great thread

Posted by: CN The First at March 05, 2022 11:16 AM (ONvIw)

4 Putin has never called me a Nazi. Biden Hs. So fuck you Brandon.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at March 05, 2022 11:17 AM (stuSK)

5 Good morning!
Every nasty tactic being deployed by the Democrats today (and for the last 50 years) originated in Lenin's brain.
Lenin was an evil genius.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at March 05, 2022 11:18 AM (jTmQV)

6 Russians are the new Whites. It perfectly OK to hate them with every being of your body for simply being born in Russia. Doing this shows how compassionate and diverse you are.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at March 05, 2022 11:18 AM (stuSK)

7 Today there is one place on earth where the promotion and practice of communism is illegal.
Care to guess where?

Posted by: gourmand du jour at March 05, 2022 11:20 AM (jTmQV)

8 Alexander Dugin is definitely a scary guy. Advocates racial superiority and a Russian Manifest Destiny that seems to include all the territory up to Normandy.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at March 05, 2022 11:20 AM (Os76D)

9 Willowed:
399 Putin is a thug, and a long-time fascist thug at that.

So are almost all Western politicians. Especially the WEF endorsed variety.

Whoever is running Castreau, the Biden junta, BoJo and the English speaking tyrants to the south of the border are aspiring to be as thuggish and fascist as Xi, not some second Tier thug like Putin.

WEF this generation's CFR, Trilateral Commision and Illuminati.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at March 05, 2022 11:20 AM (lD3vL)

10 >Russians are the new Whites.

they are Caucasians

Posted by: DB at March 05, 2022 11:20 AM (geLO8)

11 5 Good morning!
Every nasty tactic being deployed by the Democrats today (and for the last 50 years) originated in Lenin's brain.
Lenin was an evil genius.

Posted by: gourmand du jour
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Nah, calling others racist as a political tactic came from Trotsky, Lenin's general.

Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 11:21 AM (Iq9dF)

12 Obviously Russians are white. I was making a point.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at March 05, 2022 11:21 AM (stuSK)

13 Just started slowly might add reading Race Marxism, it is pointing out Marxism is alive and spreading just changing racism for class warfare.

Posted by: Skip guy who says NOOD at March 05, 2022 11:21 AM (2JoB8)

14 Russian cats? Chekov is a Siberian. Does that mean he has to be repatriated?

(He was born near Baton Rouge, one hell of a long way from Siberia or even Russia)

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at March 05, 2022 11:22 AM (c6xtn)

15 I know- I'm just trying to be clever

it's all I got, man

Posted by: DB at March 05, 2022 11:22 AM (geLO8)

16 I am trying to change the topic, and you give me this!

Posted by: runner at March 05, 2022 11:22 AM (V13WU)

17 Huh. Did not know that K.T did movie reviews too.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 05, 2022 11:22 AM (MFphb)

18 Communism is easy to spread to the uneducated (and by that I mean educated millennials). You get free stuff someone else pays for it you chill out playing video games all day. How can you say no?

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at March 05, 2022 11:23 AM (stuSK)

19 Richard Pipes' histories on the Russian Revolution do a really good job of dissecting Lenin psychologically. He makes the point that, on the one hand, Lenin was (of course) cruel in an abstract, cerebral sort of way; but on the other hand, he was personally a coward. When the Bolsheviks made their first attempt at a takeover in summer 1917 and got beat, he was the first one to make a run for it. Not unlike Hitler in that regard.

Posted by: Dr. T at March 05, 2022 11:23 AM (tp+tP)

20 Care to guess where?
Posted by: gourmand du jour

Latvia?

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at March 05, 2022 11:23 AM (lCui1)

21 My guess is a former Soviet republic.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at March 05, 2022 11:24 AM (stuSK)

22 "Republicans are Putin Sympathizers" coming to a theater near you. Perfect timing for the mid-terms.

Posted by: MikeN at March 05, 2022 11:25 AM (my/lX)

23 "My guess is a former Soviet republic."

Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner.
Today known as The Russian Federation.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at March 05, 2022 11:25 AM (jTmQV)

24 Islam will be the downfall to western Europe, once it gets to a critical mass point they will be taken over quickly.

Posted by: Skip at March 05, 2022 11:25 AM (2JoB8)

25 When the Bolsheviks made their first attempt at a takeover in summer 1917 and got beat, he was the first one to make a run for it. Not unlike Hitler in that regard.
Posted by: Dr. T at March 05, 2022 11:23 AM (tp+tP)

NO! He saw himself as the Queen and you can't win at chess without the Queen.
Thank me for smashing your heteronormative delusions.

Posted by: GLAAD grabbing another one without proof at March 05, 2022 11:26 AM (MFphb)

26 So are almost all Western politicians. Especially the WEF endorsed variety.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at March 05, 2022 11:20 AM (lD3vL)
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I think that is way overstated. Putin is a thug who murders opposing voices almost indiscriminately. Western leaders may want to kill opponents but as a general rule rely on the Propaganda media to discredit them.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at March 05, 2022 11:26 AM (Os76D)

27 They always say, oh, socialism did not work because it was not applied properly. Seriously, that is the argument I got. And that if it was applied properly, then it would magically work.

Posted by: runner at March 05, 2022 11:27 AM (V13WU)

28 12 Obviously Russians are white. I was making a point.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at March 05, 2022 11:21 AM (stuSK)

And white Russians are tasty! I don't know why all the hate for a drink!

Posted by: Bonnie Blue - no longer playing the game at March 05, 2022 11:27 AM (hlxe7)

29 Eh, life beckons. Be back later, maybe.

Posted by: GLAAD grabbing another one without proof at March 05, 2022 11:27 AM (MFphb)

30 Ya gotta admit though.....

Switch the names Putin and Saddam, switch Republicans and Democrat and it sounds very familiar. In 2002 if you didnt want to burn Saddam alive you were an Al Qeda sympathizer.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at March 05, 2022 11:27 AM (stuSK)

31 Fucking Marxists.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at March 05, 2022 11:27 AM (PEbbU)

32 I think that is way overstated. Putin is a thug who murders opposing voices almost indiscriminately. Western leaders may want to kill opponents but as a general rule rely on the Propaganda media to discredit them.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at March 05, 2022 11:26 AM (Os76D)

Baby steps! Right now they just throw them in the clinker and some they suicide.

Posted by: Bonnie Blue - no longer playing the game at March 05, 2022 11:29 AM (hlxe7)

33 America, like Europe, Russia, and the rest of what once passed for the civilized world, have become profoundly unserious, crowded into social media echo chambers, shouting trending hashtags, and refusing to think in any terms longer than their attention deficit disorders. . .

Nailed it.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 05, 2022 11:29 AM (Xrfse)

34 If you're interested in Dugin, I watched this interview with a Canadian analyst (HT: Powerline) and it was informative.

https://youtu.be/JFI6fg8NITg

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at March 05, 2022 11:29 AM (Os76D)

35 All Marxism is, regardless of its verbiage, is simply applying the logic of the family to society at large. Note that the missing ingredient that causes a mother and father to work to support their children is love which is NOT present when applied to society.

What Marxism ends up is simply feudalism without the reciprocal duties imposed by Christendom. Marx being irreligious and an immoral scoundrel to boot (as was Rousseau) never 'got' religion as an ameliorating constraining force on rulers. Note that the great leaders of murderers of the masses by and large are irreligious.

So, in effect, the dictatorship of the proletariat, imposed by force, is no less than creating a new nobility with its own set of rules for behavior and a new collection of serfs--often bound to their job and location due to their new Communist party nomenklatura.

It is a fraud in essence and regression to a corrupt aristocracy defined by expressed allegiance to particular thoughts rather than birth. In that way, it is actually inferior to the older feudal aristos.

Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 11:30 AM (Iq9dF)

36 What is really maddening to me is how after 2 years of msm lies on covid , so many people take everything Ukraine related from the msm as the absolute truth. Goes to show all those polls we have saying only 25% of the public trusts cnn or whatever are bullshit. CNN says Putin is evil and Ukraine is awesome and 80% of Americans nod in agreement.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at March 05, 2022 11:31 AM (stuSK)

37 Lenin didn't bother explaining to his opponents, for example, the Socialist Revolutionaries, why they were wrong, just the fact that they weren't in 100% agreement with him at every point was enough to denounce them as traitors worthy of extermination.

...

Thankfully this doesn't happen in our country.

/

Posted by: I Mean at March 05, 2022 11:31 AM (VUyXU)

38 John F. Kennedy once paraphrased as: what's mine is mine; and what's yours is negotiable.

Their is another political group we are more familiar with that takes that same negotiating posture.

Posted by: Braenyard at March 05, 2022 11:31 AM (0cXtD)

39 >>And white Russians are tasty! I don't know why all the hate for a drink!

Posted by: Bonnie Blue

use chocolate milk, and have yourself a Dirty Russian

Posted by: DB at March 05, 2022 11:31 AM (geLO8)

40 I am left wondering what Putin might mean by "deeply religious". I think he means it in a cultural, rather than in a personal sense.

A lot to this.

Posted by: Diogenes at March 05, 2022 11:32 AM (axyOa)

41 Great meme of the day "The age of Pfizer is over. The age of Raytheon has come."

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at March 05, 2022 11:32 AM (Os76D)

42 >>> Russian cats? Chekov is a Siberian. Does that mean he has to be repatriated?

If he takes a loyalty oath everything will be chill.

Posted by: fluffy at March 05, 2022 11:32 AM (UnQlg)

43 Sorry, I stopped reading here: "It is precisely the comparative peacefulness and prosperity of the democracies that lulls us into an unawareness that wolves like Putin and Xi Jinping are always prowling just beyond the perimeter of free self-government."

What utter bullshit. The wolves are here, in Washington, and people like John F'n Kerry aren't "bewildered," they're jealous that they can't get things done like the Rooskies and the Chins. Too many "voters" in this country think they have a say.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 05, 2022 11:33 AM (4GFH7)

44 The age of Raytheon has existed for 75 years. They just dont run commercials about it.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at March 05, 2022 11:33 AM (stuSK)

45 I think that is way overstated. Putin is a thug who murders opposing voices almost indiscriminately. Western leaders may want to kill opponents but as a general rule rely on the Propaganda media to discredit them.

Today.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at March 05, 2022 11:33 AM (lD3vL)

46 The old library on Michigan Ave. in downtown Chicago had a Tiffany dome up top and had little concerts from one violinist to more that sounded so good it turned me on to classical music. The sound of a single violin in an acoustically nice place blew my mind.

Posted by: dartist at March 05, 2022 11:33 AM (+ya+t)

47 use chocolate milk, and have yourself a Dirty Russian

Posted by: DB at March 05, 2022 11:31 AM (geLO

hmmm...

Posted by: BignJames at March 05, 2022 11:34 AM (AwYPR)

48 Socialism , communism takes root where there is no prosperous middle class. Then the ideas seem valid to people - haves and have nots.

Posted by: runner at March 05, 2022 11:34 AM (V13WU)

49 Putin is evil because he steals elections and throw his political opponents in prison on bullshit charges!!!

Wait no that is Biden.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at March 05, 2022 11:35 AM (stuSK)

50 Great meme of the day "The age of Pfizer is over. The age of Raytheon has come."

that's a good one

Posted by: runner at March 05, 2022 11:35 AM (V13WU)

51 What Marxism ends up is simply feudalism without the reciprocal duties imposed by Christendom. Marx being irreligious and an immoral scoundrel to boot (as was Rousseau) never 'got' religion as an ameliorating constraining force on rulers. Note that the great leaders of murderers of the masses by and large are irreligious."

Good take. I remember reading (I forget who) the idea that Marxism works so well at subverting western civilization because it is just a corrupted copy of Christianity with all the serial numbers filed off, and Man put in the place of God.

Posted by: Tom Servo at March 05, 2022 11:35 AM (evAgx)

52 Not unlike Hitler in that regard.

Posted by: Dr. T
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Apples and Oranges--that man served as a corporal with some distinction for bravery in the trenches of WWI. Lenin, like most intellectuals, preferred acting through others always.

Intellectuals without a religion to chasten them always worship themselves first as gods and rationalize their behavior if socio or psychopathic. They care little for other humans as they believe themselves to be superior. They lack the milk of human kindness as Shakespeare might have put it.

Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 11:35 AM (Iq9dF)

53 48

America in the 60s had the most prosperous middle class in history. And yet that is when the hard left started making in roads.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at March 05, 2022 11:36 AM (stuSK)

54 I think the border between China and Russia is the longest in the world. If you are looking at the future, culture is not as dominant as energy dependence. Culture can be lost or appropriated in a few generations. Unless the West reverses it's borderline superstitious thinking about nuclear power, the growing energy needs of an increasingly advanced lifestyle is going to dominate geopolitical changes.

Posted by: pawn at March 05, 2022 11:36 AM (Cfk8j)

55 That stature of Lenin make me lament how badly organized those of us on the right are. If we were organized, then while the BLM riots were going on and statues being toppled everywhere with no response, we could have sent a team of black masked cosplayers in to tear down that Lenin statue and throw it into the ocean.

Posted by: Tom Servo at March 05, 2022 11:37 AM (evAgx)

56 @KHerriage
33m
It was a plandemic meant to rig an election, control the people and further enrich the elites and now they're ending it and covering it up with a war.

Posted by: IrishEi at March 05, 2022 11:37 AM (VhE0u)

57 America in the 60s had the most prosperous middle class in history. And yet that is when the hard left started making in roads.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at March 05, 2022 11:36 AM (stuSK)

just look back at what the Pax Romana produced.

Posted by: Tom Servo at March 05, 2022 11:37 AM (evAgx)

58 Russia! Russia! Russia!
-Eromero, Hawk of Kiev

Posted by: Eromero at March 05, 2022 11:38 AM (oGdKE)

59 Shit, just when I thought I was getting ahead of things, flying my new "I Iran" flag and wearing the matching tee shirt, you give me THIS?

Posted by: Mr Gaga at March 05, 2022 11:38 AM (KiBMU)

60 America in the 60s had the most prosperous middle class in history. And yet that is when the hard left started making in roads.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at March 05, 2022 11:36 AM (stuSK)

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The two are not unrelated.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at March 05, 2022 11:39 AM (VxC1e)

61 Another good "Week In Pictures" meme: It's not a game or anything but if anyone is wondering, the conspiracy theorists are up 16-0.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at March 05, 2022 11:39 AM (Os76D)

62 *sitting in the commons area*

Good point!

*takes another bong rip*

Posted by: Dr. Bone at March 05, 2022 11:40 AM (PEbbU)

63 The timing is impeccable isnt it? The second the Covid hysteria ends we have a neat little European war to take its place.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at March 05, 2022 11:40 AM (stuSK)

64 One of the problems in looking at this war is that America has two factions - heritage America and GloboHomo.

GloboHomo, in control of America, is helping Ukraine, so it is suspect what heritage America's position should be.

But Putin isn't our friend, and Zelensky isn't our enemy...but then where does that leave our desire for the outcome of the war? We can have little to any direct impact.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 05, 2022 11:40 AM (ESjRY)

65 All Marxism is, regardless of its verbiage, is simply applying the logic of the family to society at large. Note that the missing ingredient that causes a mother and father to work to support their children is love which is NOT present when applied to society.

Went to school in Bellingham Wa for awhile in the late 70's. WWU was well known for two things. Extreme radicalism and shrooms ( picked in the farm fields). You would have been a lot of fun at those parties.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at March 05, 2022 11:40 AM (5Njew)

66 So, in effect, the dictatorship of the proletariat, imposed by force, is no less than creating a new nobility with its own set of rules for behavior and a new collection of serfs--often bound to their job and location due to their new Communist party nomenklatura.

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yes, that is what happened in the USSR. China is an interesting one, somehow it melds nomenklatura, 5 year plans and central planning with entrepreneurship and explosion of the middle class. Perhaps the reason is because it is similar to what China historically had ? Just under a different name?

Posted by: runner at March 05, 2022 11:40 AM (V13WU)

67 Nah, calling others racist as a political tactic came from Trotsky, Lenin's general.
Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 11:21 AM (Iq9dF)

Trotsky was arguably the most intelligent strategist out of all of them, and also the most charismatic. That's why Stalin was so scared of him, and couldn't rest easy until he was dead.

Posted by: Tom Servo at March 05, 2022 11:40 AM (evAgx)

68 America in the 60s had the most prosperous middle class in history. And yet that is when the hard left started making in roads.

Good times make weak men. We are the "Weak men make hard times" phase now.

Posted by: Eisenhorn at March 05, 2022 11:41 AM (tZycB)

69 @55 Tom Servo-I agree, BUT, tearing down that statue would be breaking the law.

Posted by: JROD at March 05, 2022 11:41 AM (0jZnq)

70 Swoopin' outta the dark like Dracula, wait that's Aromero, the Bat of Kiev.

Posted by: Eromero at March 05, 2022 11:41 AM (/RDPd)

71 Twitter suffers loss in 9th circuit. They tried to block TX AG action but failed

https://tinyurl.com/yfuz4epd

Posted by: kallisto at March 05, 2022 11:41 AM (DJFLF)

72 I don't see much connection between Putin and Lenin (and his SJW followers). Putin is essentially a gangster, focused on money and power and more than willing to use violence to get what he wants. Leninists worship power with a very strong ideological component; they don't care if they and everyone else are poor as long as the main guys are getting venerated as gods.

Posted by: CppThis at March 05, 2022 11:42 AM (UewuT)

73 "Is Putin leaving Lenin to the West?"

This question was answered in the affirmative long ago. While Putin has nourished the Orthodox Church, the West has taken a page straight from Lenin and Trotsky and literally burned churches in Canada and the Unite States during upheavals over purported racial outrages (in both cases based mostly on lies).

Putin sees a dying West on one side and a rising China on the other, and only the Muslims under his rule making enough babies. Given the brutality of the Chechen War, it is astounding that Putin has reached detente with his Islamic populations. Despite claims to the contrary, he also probably is the most philo-Semitic leader of Russia post-Lenin.

Dugin has fashioned an ideology that greatly resembles the best of Dostoevsky and Solschenizyn, true, but it also has the darkest strains of Tsarist rule in it. Yet given the suicidal nature of the West, which Russians increasingly reject in favor of Orthodoxy, it has great appeal.

The invasion of the Ukraine is largely a grift, as is Western involvement there, but much of it is also motivated by what is seen as the cancerous ideology being imposed on its people. Woke is killing the West.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at March 05, 2022 11:42 AM (nMx88)

74 Good take. I remember reading (I forget who) the idea that Marxism works so well at subverting western civilization because it is just a corrupted copy of Christianity with all the serial numbers filed off, and Man put in the place of God.

Posted by: Tom Servo
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Yep and that is why it is catnip to intellectuals--power without obligations or limits. Someone mentioned that man above and compared to Lenin. That man was a man of action and plainly told people what he would do, he was not by and large an intellectual unlike Lenin who trained as a lawyer who manipulate language and concepts to win. Lenin spent a lot of time thoroughly developing his dreary notions of society through a boring multi volume set of works that is outstanding only in its ability to put one to sleep. Nevertheless, that dreariness disguises the malicious intent to create a bureaucratic murder and control machine to perpetuate the dictatorship of the proletariat. It took a man of action, Stalin, and his henchmen to bring it to its putrid conclusions. The intellectuals of the Communists in Russia, by and large, went to the wall to be shot when Stalin took over.

Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 11:43 AM (Iq9dF)

75 Are Hannity and Graham selling those decks of cards yet? You know, the ones with the pictures of guys' faces, and their names?

Posted by: Mr Gaga at March 05, 2022 11:43 AM (KiBMU)

76 we could have sent a team of black masked cosplayers in to tear down that Lenin statue and throw it into the ocean.

Oh, the Seattle/WA police would have arrested anyone involved with that and thrown the book at them.

Remember the guy that stole/burned a gay flag and got 17 years in jail?

Posted by: 18-1 at March 05, 2022 11:43 AM (ESjRY)

77 69 @55 Tom Servo-I agree, BUT, tearing down that statue would be breaking the law.
Posted by: JROD at March 05, 2022 11:41 AM (0jZnq)

I AM THE LAW!

Posted by: King Mob at March 05, 2022 11:43 AM (evAgx)

78 What organization thought it was a good idea to put up a statue of Leninn? Is there a statue of Mao somewhere in the U.S.?

Posted by: N.L. Urker, oops, I commented again. Sorry, eh at March 05, 2022 11:43 AM (eGTCV)

79 Hey! Did youse guys know that Bill Barr has a book for sale?

Posted by: BignJames at March 05, 2022 11:45 AM (AwYPR)

80 Woke is killing the West.

All by design and according to plan.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 05, 2022 11:45 AM (Xrfse)

81 Trotsky was arguably the most intelligent strategist out of all of them, and also the most charismatic. That's why Stalin was so scared of him, and couldn't rest easy until he was dead.

Posted by: Tom Servo
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Trotsky also was a general and commanded respect from the Soviet military as its first revolutionary commander. Stalin was a bureaucrat and criminal for the revolution. Trotsky is one of the reasons that Stalin purged the military leadership pre WWII to his detriment.

Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 11:45 AM (Iq9dF)

82 LOL. Russia is demanding that the United States loosen its sanctions before Russia will support the Iran deal.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said Saturday that Moscow is demanding guarantees from the U.S. before backing the Iran nuclear deal, citing the current wave of Western sanctions against Russia.

All the people bought off by Iran in Washington must be furious.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 05, 2022 11:45 AM (I2/tG)

83 78 What organization thought it was a good idea to put up a statue of Leninn? Is there a statue of Mao somewhere in the U.S.?
Posted by: N.L. Urker, oops, I commented again. Sorry, eh at March 05, 2022 11:43 AM (eGTCV)

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Check out the Obama WH Christmas tree.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at March 05, 2022 11:45 AM (VxC1e)

84 I guess the idea of being free and prosperous is no longer appealing to today's western civilization (especially the US). It's all about being able to have power over other people.

I still contend that power ideal really took hold during the "smoking ban" beginnings.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at March 05, 2022 11:45 AM (Fs5vw)

85 Thanks KT, very enlightening info.

Some of my MAGA and Catholic friends have some "faith" in Putin supporting the Catholic church. I've told them he's a thug, but recognizes the usefulness of organized religion.

I'm not so sure demographics are destiny, exactly. But at least USA is importing largely Christian based immigrants, instead of Muslims (except for the efforts to bring Afghans here, and the open border is open to all nations).

Destroying the family also destroys birth rate, so they attack family here because they are attacking "The West". But yeah, Russia and Europe elitists seem to be drawing mostly on the Muslim world to bring up the birth rates. They should have built family life instead, but the WEF and globalists apparently have other plans.

Posted by: illiniwek at March 05, 2022 11:46 AM (Cus5s)

86 It is possible that Russia is still trying to figure out what they are and what works for them. They went from czarist to communist. Unlike the UK , for example, that gradually became a Constitutional Monarchy over a thousand years. Not much practice with anything else.

Posted by: runner at March 05, 2022 11:46 AM (V13WU)

87 Ironically the statue is situated on private property.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at March 05, 2022 11:46 AM (jTmQV)

88 Is there a statue of Mao somewhere in the U.S.?

Posted by: N.L. Urker, oops, I commented again. Sorry, eh at March 05, 2022 11:43 AM (eGTCV)

Hillary has one in her garden.

Posted by: BignJames at March 05, 2022 11:47 AM (AwYPR)

89 While Putin has nourished the Orthodox Church

Putin is also the first Russian leader ever to make an appearance at the Central Synagogue in Moscow during the High Holy Days. He does this every year.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 05, 2022 11:48 AM (I2/tG)

90 88 Is there a statue of Mao somewhere in the U.S.?

Posted by: N.L. Urker, oops, I commented again. Sorry, eh at March 05, 2022 11:43 AM (eGTCV)

some have noted that the big statue of MLKing in D.C. looks more like Mao than like King.

Posted by: Tom Servo at March 05, 2022 11:48 AM (evAgx)

91 elon Musk was told to block Russian news sources.

see link for his reply:

https://tinyurl.com/8maruz83

Posted by: kallisto at March 05, 2022 11:49 AM (DJFLF)

92 Hillary has one in her garden.
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Probably has one in her shitter.

Posted by: dartist at March 05, 2022 11:50 AM (+ya+t)

93 35 million muslims live in Russia. That is around 1/3 of population. Interesting , no ?

Posted by: runner at March 05, 2022 11:50 AM (V13WU)

94 Damnit! Don't know if I got Willowed, or just posted in the previous thread really late. No Boomer jokes, though, 'cause I'm not that young.

422 I know you were all wondering, and yes, I just filed to run for my 8th term as US Senator from Iowa. I'll be 92 at the end of the term, but still more functional than the current occupier of the Oval Office.
Posted by: Senator Chuck Grassley at March 05, 2022 11:47 AM

Posted by: Senator Chuck Grassley at March 05, 2022 11:50 AM (JCZqz)

95 Is 2022 Red Wave in jeopardy?

https://tinyurl.com/yckjrx5h

Posted by: kallisto at March 05, 2022 11:51 AM (DJFLF)

96 elon Musk was told to block Russian news sources.

see link for his reply:

Yeah, it's not hard to see where banning "objectionable" news sources is going to go.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 05, 2022 11:51 AM (I2/tG)

97 Thought provoking piece KT. Thank you.

I would like to have a better understanding of Russian history.

In a conversation yesterday, I was told about Russians who hated Gorbachev because he was seen as destructive to Russia.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at March 05, 2022 11:52 AM (IDhUW)

98 Putin is also the first Russian leader ever to make an appearance at the Central Synagogue in Moscow during the High Holy Days. He does this every year.

Posted by: The ARC of History!
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So, our politicians such as Pelosi and Biden regularly appear before the Pope and are seen in church. Believing that they use religion as a criteria for decisionmaking is not really useful without specific examples.

Most leaders who are saints typically fare poorly as leaders whatever the religion. Perhaps because they project their saintliness on other people and their actions.

Adam Smith in his theory of Moral Sentiments which is unfortunately little read today explains as a predecessor to his invisible hand in the subsequent Wealth of Nations that self interests of humans can act as a force of positive good if the incentives are lined up properly.

Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 11:52 AM (Iq9dF)

99 As a strongman/paternal autocrat Putin's form of government is one of the most common over the course of history - and indeed acting as if he is the second coming of Hitler or the Soviets is deeply flawed.

But the interesting thing here is there are limits as to what Putin will do - he wants money and power and he will use violence to get those things. He has no interest in remaking humanity society though.

The left believes itself to be messianic and that whatever their ultimate goal is (as that changes as the years go by) the ultimate good that humanity can achieve. Therefore NOTHING can or should be off limits . CS Lewis had something to say about this of course.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 05, 2022 11:53 AM (ESjRY)

100 Hey! Did youse guys know that Bill Barr has a book for sale?

Posted by: BignJames at March 05, 2022 11:45 AM (AwYPR)

What is it called, "All bag and no pipe"?

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at March 05, 2022 11:53 AM (VwHCD)

101 35 million muslims live in Russia. That is around 1/3 of population. Interesting , no ?
Posted by: runner at March 05, 2022 11:50 AM (V13WU)

In a few decades, Russia will be majority (or at least plurality) Muslim.

Posted by: Surfperch at March 05, 2022 11:53 AM (/4vtq)

102 bbc is upset it is being blocked in Russia and set up workarounds

Posted by: runner at March 05, 2022 11:53 AM (V13WU)

103 In a conversation yesterday, I was told about Russians who hated Gorbachev because he was seen as destructive to Russia.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at March 05, 2022 11:52 AM (IDhUW)

I think it's a generational thing among Russians.

Posted by: BignJames at March 05, 2022 11:54 AM (AwYPR)

104 bbc does not have the worst coverage, and they try to point out where the information is unverified, but...it is owned by the government...

Posted by: runner at March 05, 2022 11:55 AM (V13WU)

105 What is it called, "All bag and no pipe"?

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division
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Short and simple summary of Billy Bagpipes, Trump fought the law (DOJ) and I won.

Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 11:56 AM (Iq9dF)

106 Is Trump back on the tw@tts?

this is an honest question, does anyone know?

https://tinyurl.com/2z84nzza

Posted by: kallisto at March 05, 2022 11:56 AM (DJFLF)

107 Posted by: Senator Chuck Grassley at March 05, 2022 11:50 AM (JCZqz)

I hate the left, but I'd get more pleasure out of reading your obituary than almost anyone else's.

Posted by: Tom Servo at March 05, 2022 11:56 AM (evAgx)

108 and indeed acting as if he is the second coming of Hitler or the Soviets is deeply flawed.
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The kids will rebel and I don't think he can completely cut off social media.

Posted by: dartist at March 05, 2022 11:57 AM (+ya+t)

109 I hate the left, but I'd get more pleasure out of reading your obituary than almost anyone else's.

Posted by: Tom Servo at March 05, 2022 11:56 AM (evAgx)

I think Chuck's just drawing a paycheck....Lindsey, however...

Posted by: BignJames at March 05, 2022 11:58 AM (AwYPR)

110 Marxism is slavery and therefore racist.

*takes another bong rip*

Posted by: Dr. Bone at March 05, 2022 11:59 AM (PEbbU)

111 Pfizer's own data puts the lie to "safe" jab trope:

https://tinyurl.com/yst7rabt

Posted by: kallisto at March 05, 2022 11:59 AM (DJFLF)

112 Putin strikes me as unlikely to be a serious Christian - he did come up through the ranks of the KGB, and it seems unlikely they would also such a man to do so.

He could I suppose have found Christ later but...I'm guessing he's just not aggressively anti-Christian as compared to many Western leaders.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 05, 2022 11:59 AM (ESjRY)

113 I would like to have a better understanding of Russian history."

I'm almost ashamed to admit how many years it took me to learn that Boris Badenov was named after Boris Gudenov.

Posted by: Tom Servo at March 05, 2022 11:59 AM (evAgx)

114 "China and the Islamic Ummah need only watch and alternately cheer both sides on."

I can't speak for Islam. But China is nearing demographic collapse. China's birth numbers (which everyone believes are inflated) went up a bit the year that the One Child policy was lifted. But the following year, the birth numbers were back to their usual low level. Everyone who wanted another kid had had their second. The rest of the population is now satisfied with just one kid (or at least in some cases, can't afford a second).

On another note, based on what I can tell from my amateur research into Chinese Communism, and what I've heard about CRT workshops, CRT appears to be Maoism that's been reoriented from social class to race.

Posted by: junior at March 05, 2022 12:00 PM (SkQiU)

115 Socialism CANNOT work. It is illogical, thus any implementation also is.

Numerous examples can be found for proof.

Posted by: irongrampa at March 05, 2022 12:00 PM (KATBx)

116 The left believes itself to be messianic and that whatever their ultimate goal is (as that changes as the years go by) the ultimate good that humanity can achieve. Therefore NOTHING can or should be off limits . CS Lewis had something to say about this of course.

Posted by: 18-1
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The rank and file do, the oligarchs that are pushing that have no such interests really other than power and money. I also think that some of those oligarchs believe that they are on the cusp of being able to live much longer if not forever due to advances in medical science on aging and computing/bionics.

Essentially, the feudalists aka oligarchs have won by and large but fear a counter revolution of liberty more than they entertain thoughts of their underlings. That is why they are trying to consolidate their coup victory through Covid and foreign policy.

Trump was once asked who runs the world and replied something like 'people that most have never heard of.'

Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 12:00 PM (Iq9dF)

117 100 Hey! Did youse guys know that Bill Barr has a book for sale?

Posted by: BignJames at March 05, 2022 11:45 AM (AwYPR)

What is it called, "All bag and no pipe"?
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at March 05, 2022 11:53 AM

I bet y'all didn't think it was possible to blow more embarrassingly than me for personal gain, and yet, I present Bill Barr. (Maniacal Laughing!!!!)

Posted by: Kamala Harris at March 05, 2022 12:01 PM (JCZqz)

118 Chuck Grassley is the author and Protector in Chief of the great Ethanol Scam.

Posted by: Tom Servo at March 05, 2022 12:01 PM (evAgx)

119 CDC director basically admits everything was a lie:

https://tinyurl.com/235fv4h7

Posted by: kallisto at March 05, 2022 12:01 PM (DJFLF)

120 I love the "Vince's sign "picture. What a tremendous definition.

Posted by: irongrampa at March 05, 2022 12:02 PM (KATBx)

121 107 Posted by: Senator Chuck Grassley at March 05, 2022 11:50 AM (JCZqz)

I hate the left, but I'd get more pleasure out of reading your obituary than almost anyone else's.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 05, 2022 11:56 AM

Only because McCain's already dead. Romney, though...?

Posted by: Typical Moron at March 05, 2022 12:03 PM (JCZqz)

122 I think Putin was doing okay as far as running a country as fucked up and nihilistic as Russia. And then he invaded Ukraine. It will be his downfall.

God only knows who will replace him.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at March 05, 2022 12:04 PM (Fs5vw)

123 115 Socialism CANNOT work. It is illogical, thus any implementation also is.

Numerous examples can be found for proof.

Posted by: irongrampa
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I would beg to differ--it works in a family unit of parents and children as you do see parents unselfishly working for the benefit of their children more than not. But the binding factor is mutual love within the family which is NOT present trying to scale it up for society. Show me a person who LOVES humanity (or any other mass tribal ids) at large and I will show you a person that by and large hates or is indifferent to every individual around them. Socialism then does not scale well even at the local level (see the repeated failures of communal living arrangements to last other than religious orders).

Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 12:04 PM (Iq9dF)

124 35 million muslims live in Russia. That is around 1/3 of population.

That's high - the official number is 6.5% Muslim. Even with some undercounting, that's a lot less than a third. We'll see if Chechnya and other other Muslim republics in Russia suffer the same demographic collapse that Iran has.

Russia has an interesting problem - the Muslim republics are so poor that it's the one part of Russia where young males want to join the army. The Russian army is less than enthusiastic about becoming heavily Muslim, however.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 05, 2022 12:06 PM (I2/tG)

125 123 Show me a person who LOVES humanity (or any other mass tribal ids) at large and I will show you a person that by and large hates or is indifferent to every individual around them.
Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 12:04 PM

Ohhhh...I know! I know!

Posted by: Jesus Christ at March 05, 2022 12:06 PM (JCZqz)

126 Trump was once asked who runs the world and replied something like 'people that most have never heard of.'

With a few exceptions, that is most likely the case.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 05, 2022 12:08 PM (Xrfse)

127 They can't get a no fly zone for obvious reasons. If we can't provide the Ukes with something to beat Russian ECMs, there's something wrong, not with policy, but technology. Just jam the hell out of their comm/nav. Technical and tactical aid is about it and not one US service member needs to be anywhere near this mess.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at March 05, 2022 12:08 PM (lz5hY)

128 Only because McCain's already dead. Romney, though...?
Posted by: Typical Moron at March 05, 2022 12:03 PM (JCZqz)

good point, good point.

reminds me of an old WC Fields joke. Kid comes in, is bothering WC. He says "hey kid, you talk too much. Here, I'll give you a quarter if you tell me how many States in the Union." Kid says "WHAT Union?"
WC: "ya got a point kid, ya got a point. Here's your quarter."

Posted by: Tom Servo at March 05, 2022 12:10 PM (evAgx)

129 Glad K.T. didn't have time to put together a comprehensive overview of Putin and the West's oligarchs.

WOW.

Posted by: Braenyard at March 05, 2022 12:10 PM (0cXtD)

130 I would beg to differ--it works in a family unit of parents and children as you do see parents unselfishly working for the benefit of their children more than not.

I've tried this angle with left leaning LIVs.

Would you sacrifice for your kids? Yes

Your extended family, friends, etc? Maybe

Some Trump voter in flyover land? HELL NO

Then why do you think socialism - which says that YOU will produce things for the good of THEM will work? And the answer is...the government will make it work!

Posted by: 18-1 at March 05, 2022 12:11 PM (ESjRY)

131 Ohhhh...I know! I know!

Posted by: Jesus Christ
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FWIW, Some of those verses indicate that those who reject him will pay for it by indifference as to their fate.

He is both love AND righteous judgement. Most modern churches accentuate the former and ignore the latter as a sales job. That is their downfall because that supposed love is extended to all sorts of sinful behavior. Best to recognize one's sins and fear judgement and recognize that the love extends to those that believe and ask for forgiveness of their sins.

Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 12:12 PM (Iq9dF)

132 Then why do you think socialism - which says that YOU will produce things for the good of THEM will work? And the answer is...the government will make it work!

Posted by: 18-1
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Yes, government is their Deux Ex Machina in their little Greek play. Far too many believe idiocies that an inanimate object like government can 'love' them. No less than worshipping golden calfs as idols.

Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 12:14 PM (Iq9dF)

133 I like CS Lewis's take on the end times.

Basically faced with the real face of God in all his glory, many will still reject him, even knowing Satan/Hell are waiting for them just outside.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 05, 2022 12:15 PM (ESjRY)

134 Only a stable genius could have the mental capacity to fe b late Putin a genius.
Trump has yet to publicly blame or condemn Putin. Anyone have any idea other than the one obvious one?

Posted by: Kurt at March 05, 2022 12:15 PM (2V9FC)

135 So I assume nobody is interested in discussing Demons by Dostoyevsky, probably my favorite book of his? That's ok; I can wait for the Book Thread tomorrow.

Posted by: Captain Hate won't forget Michael Byrd Murdered Ashli Babbitt at March 05, 2022 12:15 PM (y7DUB)

136 Pete Buttplug Says Option Is on the Table to Buy Oil From Iran

And take it up the ass.

But mostly the second one!

Posted by: rhennigantx at March 05, 2022 12:16 PM (yrol0)

137 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, And the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.

Posted by: Proverbs 9:10 at March 05, 2022 12:16 PM (4I/2K)

138 Fuck off, Kurt, and learn to type, retard.

Posted by: Captain Hate won't forget Michael Byrd Murdered Ashli Babbitt at March 05, 2022 12:17 PM (y7DUB)

139 That's high - the official number is 6.5% Muslim. Even with some undercounting, that's a lot less than a third. We'll see if Chechnya and other other Muslim republics in Russia suffer the same demographic collapse that Iran has.

Russia has an interesting problem - the Muslim republics are so poor that it's the one part of Russia where young males want to join the army. The Russian army is less than enthusiastic about becoming heavily Muslim, however.
Posted by: The ARC of Hist! at March 05, 2022 12:06 PM (I2/tG)

Oh, ok. That did seem a bit high. But then they did not include Chechnya and Ingushetia.

Posted by: runner at March 05, 2022 12:17 PM (V13WU)

140 Those that love God cannot love government. And visa versa.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at March 05, 2022 12:17 PM (Fs5vw)

141 118 Chuck Grassley is the author and Protector in Chief of the great Ethanol Scam.

Posted by: Tom Servo
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Well, he is the front man for ADM, Cargill, and various other corporations benefiting from the subsidies and higher food prices but others are involved as well through log rolling. Agricultural policy in the US has long been considered produced by an iron triangle of lobbyists for wealthy interests, congress critters, and government agencies.

Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 12:18 PM (Iq9dF)

142 Best to recognize one's sins and fear judgement and recognize that the love extends to those that believe and ask for forgiveness of their sins.

Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 12:12 PM (Iq9dF)

yes, some pyrsyns conveniently forget that remorse and repentance comes before forgiveness

Posted by: kallisto at March 05, 2022 12:18 PM (DJFLF)

143 I've never met a Marxist stranger who would share his weed.

*takes another bong rip*

Posted by: Dr. Bone at March 05, 2022 12:18 PM (PEbbU)

144 When the Narrative went so aggressively anti Russia, I didn't immediately understand why the Narrative Pushers assumed I would automatically be anti Russian, until I realized I was supposed to hate them for being Communist.

To me this feels like the Narrative Pushers want to have their cake and eat it too.

Their actions say: Russia is bad because it is Communist AND if you say something we don't like we will silence you.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at March 05, 2022 12:18 PM (IDhUW)

145 I've always prefixed comments about Putin with "he appears to love his country." Putin has also demonstrated a huge belief in "the ends justify the means no matter how evil those means are" He has killed reporters, rigged elections, basically undid the Russian government structure to get back into power after term limits to my understanding and so on.

It just sucks that the western world has Sundown Joe in the oval office, with Marcon, Boris and Justine Trudeau in charge of close ally countries. A bunch of idiotic, juvenile, corrupt themselves twerps playing global poker against Putin. If politics was purely chess the west are doomed to lose to Putin, &/or China, but like poker there is random chance involved.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at March 05, 2022 12:18 PM (3cGpq)

146 I refer to the old American democrat party as the democrat-fascist party. People feel this is extreme, but consider the definition of fascism: a system of government under a dictator or dictatorial body of people (so-called elites), with a capitalist economy subject to stringent gov't controls (this is the democrats of FDR, etc.), violent suppression of any opposition (Antifa, BLM, et.al), and typically a policy of racism (anti-white) and nationalism (replaced by globalism). People need to recognize who & what they are and call them out for it.

Posted by: Locke Common at March 05, 2022 12:18 PM (+6Nmi)

147 The left 2003-2008: You know Saddam's not that bad of a guy. And he kind of has a point about Kuwait, America and...the Jews.

The left 2022: If you don't personally try to assassinate Vlad Putin you are a NAZI.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 05, 2022 12:19 PM (ESjRY)

148 137 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, And the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.

Posted by: Proverbs 9:10
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Cannot be repeated enough.
140 Those that love God cannot love government. And visa versa.
Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons
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Ditto.

Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 12:19 PM (Iq9dF)

149 Willowed:

Tracked down the original video and story at NPR. You get to see 5 observers and film/sound of them standing directly under a 2 kt nuclear blast detonated at 18500 feet above them by USAF.
Pretty creepy. Link goes to NPR.
https://tinyurl.com/mrhfa2a9

The after story in that article is that apparently most of the men involved lived to an old age.
Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 10:54 AM (Iq9dF)

Peter Kuran, maker of the movie Trinity and Beyond: The Atomic Bomb movie, has a nice section about these guys in his work, Atomic Filmmakers: Behind the Scenes.

Worth checking out.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at March 05, 2022 12:20 PM (ZSK0i)

150 @69 The law that privileges violent rioters and looters while beating down business owners and other civvies for opposing them (or opposing being locked down).

Posted by: mea culpa at March 05, 2022 12:20 PM (HTglb)

151 yes, some pyrsyns conveniently forget that remorse and repentance comes before forgiveness

Posted by: kallisto
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Yep and that is why the UMC is splitting.

Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 12:21 PM (Iq9dF)

152 I refer to the old American democrat party as the democrat-fascist party.

FDR and Mussolini borrowed from each other extensively in regards to economic policy. Hitler then modeled a lot of his domestic policy on the principles of his two predecessors.

On the Eugenics front, Hitler took what the progressives had done in the west, and obviously took it much farther. But American progressives, for example, took Jacobson v Mass and used it to justify sterilizing and lobotomizing people they didn't like. Note, this is the seem decision they claimed gave them the right to force you to take the clot shot.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 05, 2022 12:22 PM (ESjRY)

153 Lenin statue bronze?
Bronze melting point: less than 1900F.
Roadside flare burn temp: around 2900F.
Antifa costumes...
Some assembly required.

No more recognizable statue.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at March 05, 2022 12:23 PM (vnqom)

154 So I assume nobody is interested in discussing Demons by Dostoyevsky, probably my favorite book of his? That's ok; I can wait for the Book Thread tomorrow.
Posted by: Captain Hate

I haven't read it and I am interested. Please share why you would recommend it.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at March 05, 2022 12:23 PM (IDhUW)

155 >>> 116

Trump was once asked who runs the world and replied something like 'people that most have never heard of.'
Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 12:00 PM (Iq9dF)

Might be time to start sharing some names.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at March 05, 2022 12:24 PM (llON8)

156 Russians are detaining a WNBA player for allegedly having vape laced with hashish and if it's true, tough shit kiddo.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at March 05, 2022 12:25 PM (lz5hY)

157 The Lenon statue in Portland is frequently vandalized. On the day of the Gay Pride Parade is traditionally dressed in drag.

Posted by: Kurt at March 05, 2022 12:26 PM (2V9FC)

158 Fun Bible based meme:

KJV: I will never leave you or forsake you.

MSG: Never gonna let you go, never gonna let you down, never gonna run around and desert you.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at March 05, 2022 12:27 PM (IDhUW)

159 >>> 156 Russians are detaining a WNBA player for allegedly having vape laced with hashish and if it's true, tough shit kiddo.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at March 05, 2022 12:25 PM (lz5hY)

As opposed to the Castreau regime which kidnapped a couple hundred Rooskies for shits and giggles.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at March 05, 2022 12:27 PM (llON8)

160 Before Twitter most idiots remained in their village.

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 05, 2022 12:27 PM (vXXAf)

161 John Lenon has a statue in Portland?

Posted by: BignJames at March 05, 2022 12:27 PM (AwYPR)

162 CDC director basically admits everything was a lie:

Which many of us recognized early on.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 05, 2022 12:27 PM (Xrfse)

163 The after story in that article is that apparently most of the men involved lived to an old age.

We still very poorly understand the long term effects of radiation on the human body. The recent nuclear accident in Japan showed much less injury then expected among the clean up crew.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 05, 2022 12:27 PM (ESjRY)

164 >>91 elon Musk was told to block Russian news sources.

see link for his reply:

https://tinyurl.com/8maruz83
Posted by: kallisto

He gains more respect from me every day.

Posted by: Capital Eff at March 05, 2022 12:27 PM (GYllL)

165 So I assume nobody is interested in discussing Demons by Dostoyevsky, probably my favorite book of his? That's ok; I can wait for the Book Thread tomorrow.
Posted by: Captain Hate

I haven't read it and I am interested. Please share why you would recommend it.
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at March 05, 2022 12:23 PM (IDhUW)

It's the only book of his I've read that deals almost solely on the practitioners of radical politics and what asswipes they are. I felt like I was reading about Bill Ayers and his ilk.

Posted by: Captain Hate won't forget Michael Byrd Murdered Ashli Babbitt at March 05, 2022 12:29 PM (y7DUB)

166 "it works in a family unit of parents and children as you do see parents unselfishly working for the benefit of their children more than not. But the binding factor is mutual love within the family which is NOT present trying to scale it up for society."

It can be scaled up to some degree, but the main distinction for me is voluntary giving, voluntary freedom of association, versus Forced "giving". Socialism is top down forceful submission to BigGov, with the "For the Greater Good" as a false religion meme.

America has voluntary armed forces, largely enabled by people's belief in our Republic as a nation of laws, and a recognition of that "Under God" part. We are failing now that DC is revealed as a corrupt cartel.

Posted by: illiniwek at March 05, 2022 12:29 PM (Cus5s)

167 The Lenin statue has red paint on its hands; has for years.
Needs a I Heart Putin or FU Biden shirt.

Posted by: Fish and Chips at March 05, 2022 12:29 PM (QMwOT)

168 Elon Musk, African American businessman. Why no 30 second blurbs on him last month?

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at March 05, 2022 12:30 PM (lz5hY)

169 Oh, ok. That did seem a bit high. But then they did not include Chechnya and Ingushetia.
Posted by: runner at March 05, 2022 12:17 PM (V13WU)

The world does not need to include those two shitholes.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 05, 2022 12:30 PM (P3gRi)

170 Radiation overrated?

So no attack of the 50ft Michelle?

Phew.

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 05, 2022 12:31 PM (vXXAf)

171 Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at March 05, 2022 12:18 PM (3cGpq)
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Putin knows he is time limited. He knows Republicans, and many more Trumpers, will sweep the 2022 election. And he knows the 2024 president will be Trump or a Trumper.

None of that is in his favor.

Posted by: Braenyard at March 05, 2022 12:31 PM (0cXtD)

172 The hell with the Russians. Why hasn't Biden been impeached and removed?

Posted by: Archer at March 05, 2022 12:31 PM (/pYdO)

173 I'm tan, ready and rested

suited up

just waiting on my ride with Adam and Lindsey

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: REDACTED at March 05, 2022 12:31 PM (us2H3)

174 Actually as Dostoyevsky has come up on Book Thread and Prager has talked about him through the years some day should read something from him.

Posted by: Skip at March 05, 2022 12:32 PM (2JoB8)

175 When the Bolsheviks made their first attempt at a takeover in summer 1917 and got beat, he was the first one to make a run for it. Not unlike Hitler in that regard.
Posted by: Dr. T at March 05, 2022 11:23 AM (tp+tP)

I think the same would happen here.

Posted by: Clutch at March 05, 2022 12:32 PM (9UmRs)

176

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at March 05, 2022 12:18 PM (3cGpq)

yes , REALPOLITIK . We have what we have. Look as Saudi Arabia. China. Not one politician dares to say anything about journalists, artists persecuted by China. Hollywood been appeasing China for so long, it's become routine.

Posted by: runner at March 05, 2022 12:32 PM (V13WU)

177 Detaining any WNBA player is acting in the interest of improving basketball.

Posted by: Captain Hate won't forget Michael Byrd Murdered Ashli Babbitt at March 05, 2022 12:33 PM (y7DUB)

178 On discussing Meta-Facebook (FB) block in Russia...

FB Drone 1: I cannot believe that fascist Putin in censoring our platform.

FB Drone 2: We cut off people we don't agree with too. Maybe we are the baddies first?

FB Drone 1: Speak like that again and I'll have you arrested for spreading misinformation.
[adjusts cuffs on hip retro Hugo Boss jacket]

FB Drone 2: My mistake. It will never happen again.
[snappy heal click with Doc Martins and departs room]

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 05, 2022 12:33 PM (d1J0p)

179 If this was happening and Trump was President

CNN would have a reporter at every gas station and grocery store

Posted by: REDACTED at March 05, 2022 12:33 PM (us2H3)

180 So, indeed, do some of those Western intellectuals. Unlike the pre-revolutionary Russian intelligentsia, who could not be sure where their ideas would lead, those who embrace Marxist-Leninist tenets today do. The question arises: Do they want to eliminate those with whom they disagree? Do they actually approve of the Gulag, the Soviet terror famine, and the Cambodian killing fields? Or have they simply learned to deflect mention of those events without even considering what they actually think about them--as Leninist training would instruct?

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Yes, if you listen to the words coming from their own mouths, they do want to eliminate others. They do want Gulag treatment for those who think differently. They do what the withholding of whatever can be withheld (we've already heard calls to eliminate medical treatment for those of us who refuse the covid vaccine. They want all of us in a dumpster, on a railcar, starved, denied human rights. We hear it every week from some radical pinhead who doesn't care that he/she's speaking the parts they should keep quiet for now.

This is a great essay, K.T. Much to bite off and chew.

Posted by: Lady in Black at March 05, 2022 12:33 PM (sVtYq)

181 the oligarchs that are pushing that have no such interests really other than power and money. I also think that some of those oligarchs believe that they are on the cusp of being able to live much longer if not forever due to advances in medical science on aging and computing/bionics.

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Interesting parallel themes. The above referenced oligarchs could apply to the Russian oligarchs who are being targeted for sanctions. It equally applies to Western oligarchs who are pushing narratives.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at March 05, 2022 12:34 PM (IDhUW)

182 Peter Kuran, maker of the movie Trinity and Beyond: The Atomic Bomb movie, has a nice section about these guys in his work, Atomic Filmmakers: Behind the Scenes.

Worth checking out.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent
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Thx for that. The video of the guys and the explosion is pretty amazing. No way could they get me to do that voluntarily and even if order to do so, I think I might rather be sent to the stockade.

Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 12:34 PM (Iq9dF)

183 172 The hell with the Russians. Why hasn't Biden been impeached and removed?
Posted by: Archer at March 05, 2022 12:31 PM

What? He's the most popular, legitimate president in our history, with over 81 kabillion votes! He's just in a bit of a slump at the moment due to the terrible situation OrangeManBad left him, but Biden's turning things around, and should win an easy reelection in 2024!

Posted by: Democratic Underground Kool-Aid drinker at March 05, 2022 12:35 PM (JCZqz)

184 Interesting parallel themes. The above referenced oligarchs could apply to the Russian oligarchs who are being targeted for sanctions. It equally applies to Western oligarchs who are pushing narratives.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel
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You see a lot of similarities between the Italian micro state competition during the 1200's to the 1700's and the city states of ancient Greece. Basically, one political scientist said something like you could find all possible forms of government to study in those historical laboratories.

Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 12:36 PM (Iq9dF)

185 KT great post, as ever. Very interesting stuff about the (asserted) "ideology" of Putin.

Don't think any of it, however, is needed to "explain" the specific concrete actions anyone cares about - those are all readily understandable in very practical and familiar terms.

Russian "claims" or more importantly interest in Crimea are not based on any Slavic populism. The ethnic make-up of the place made for a convenient nominal rationale (just as in South Ossetia, or Donetsk and Lugansk), but the obvious and mundane strategic value was why Russia grabbed it (back?).

And Ukraine is much more a "fundamental and strategic part of Russia for a millenium" than anything "pointed at the heart of Europe" (that one was a laugher). Thus what we have today.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 05, 2022 12:36 PM (OTzUX)

186 One of the most comical parts of the current moment is the left arguing that Putin went to war under President Paste Eater, and previously President Dog Eater because Trump was president in between.

It makes literally no sense. In any way you could approach it.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 05, 2022 12:36 PM (ESjRY)

187 In Saudi, punishment for theft is cutting off hands. There are 6 conditions that have to be met, though...

Posted by: runner at March 05, 2022 12:37 PM (V13WU)

188 177 Hey, Hate, how goes the health situation?

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at March 05, 2022 12:37 PM (lz5hY)

189 From Jack Posobiec:
The Prime Minister of Israel is meeting with Putin in the Kremlin today.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 05, 2022 12:38 PM (Y+l9t)

190
As opposed to the Castreau regime which kidnapped a couple hundred Rooskies for shits and giggles

As opposed to the biden junta which imprisoned hundreds for trespassing and protesting.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at March 05, 2022 12:38 PM (IDhUW)

191 It equally applies to Western oligarchs who are pushing narratives.

I had a LIV ask me what a Russian oligarch was. I told her the Russian equivalent of Zuckerberg or Bezos.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 05, 2022 12:38 PM (ESjRY)

192 And Ukraine is much more a "fundamental and strategic part of Russia for a millenium" than anything "pointed at the heart of Europe" (that one was a laugher).

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HOW DARE YOU !11!!!

Posted by: runner at March 05, 2022 12:39 PM (V13WU)

193 Lenin, unlike Hitler, was a coward.
Hitler was many things, but not a coward.

Taiwan needs to declare independence now and we need to land troops on that island. At least an airborne division. Start shipping in the heavy equipment and lots and lots of anti ship missiles.
Tell the CCP to come and take it. It will take them awhile to build up the forces at the ports which will be target rich environments for these missiles. Sink them in the ports!

Posted by: Fish and Chips at March 05, 2022 12:39 PM (QMwOT)

194 From Jack Posobiec:
The Prime Minister of Israel is meeting with Putin in the Kremlin today.

--

Oh yeah? Well, Biden's having an ice cream cone with sprinkles in Delaware today.

Posted by: Lady in Black at March 05, 2022 12:39 PM (sVtYq)

195 It makes literally no sense. In any way you could approach it.
Posted by: 18-1 at March 05, 2022 12:36 PM (ESjRY)

It makes perfect sense, if you're a chauvinist jackass who can't see past your own elbow.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at March 05, 2022 12:39 PM (6FeV1)

196 >>> 190
As opposed to the Castreau regime which kidnapped a couple hundred Rooskies for shits and giggles

As opposed to the biden junta which imprisoned hundreds for trespassing and protesting.
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at March 05, 2022 12:38 PM (IDhUW)

True! and sad.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at March 05, 2022 12:39 PM (llON8)

197 It's the only book of his I've read that deals almost solely on the practitioners of radical politics and what asswipes they are. I felt like I was reading about Bill Ayers and his ilk.
Posted by: Captain Hate won't forget Michael Byrd Murdered Ashli Babbitt at March 05, 2022 12:29 PM (y7DUB)

Yep. The Nikolai character is the male version of every Karen displaying her recently castrated "daugther."

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at March 05, 2022 12:40 PM (nMx88)

198 The Prime Minister of Israel is meeting with Putin in the Kremlin today.

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did not trust the phones ? kidding. that is news, there is major Iranian deal going.

Posted by: runner at March 05, 2022 12:40 PM (V13WU)

199 189 From Jack Posobiec:
The Prime Minister of Israel is meeting with Putin in the Kremlin today.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 05, 2022 12:38 PM (Y+l9t)

shit shit shit. This has been one of my greatest worries, that Biduh's policies towards Israel would drive them to the point they needed to look for different allies.

Israeli technology combined with Russia's vast resources, could be a game changer.

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 05, 2022 12:41 PM (oHd/0)

200 As opposed to the biden junta which imprisoned hundreds for trespassing and protesting.
Posted by: AmericanKestrel

**

This sounds like something a pro-Russia sympathizer would say.

Posted by: Moron Rubie - Enjoy your new DNA at March 05, 2022 12:41 PM (cUuEU)

201 163 The after story in that article is that apparently most of the men involved lived to an old age.

We still very poorly understand the long term effects of radiation on the human body. The recent nuclear accident in Japan showed much less injury then expected among the clean up crew.

Posted by: 18-1
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Most people think in linear terms, it is difficult enough to conceptualize exponential let alone cubic or other functions. There is the whole assumption that effects are linear in application when a whole lot of distributions are bounded at one end or the other and linearity may only exist for a portion of the studied distribution.

Long way of saying, there is some evidence that small amounts of radiation may actually help (at least some) people rather than hurt them. Same as trace elements for diet. The dose determines whether it is medicine or poison.

Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 12:41 PM (Iq9dF)

202 And unless the Russians botch this thing in a military sense - which is possible - then the negotiated outcome will not conform to any "ideological" imperatives imputed to one man. Of that I'm fairly confident.

And all the emphasis on one man, which in this case goes beyond typical focus/demonization that is both natural but sometimes also engineered, also provides a dubious foundation for finding elaborate ideological motivations for what are easily understood practical (if "muscular") actions.

Ethnic irredentism and a fundamentally paranoid conservative approach to western land approaches fully explains every Russian action from 1991 to March 2022.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 05, 2022 12:41 PM (OTzUX)

203 We hear it every week from some radical pinhead who doesn't care that he/she's speaking the parts they should keep quiet for now.

This is a great essay, K.T. Much to bite off and chew.
Posted by: Lady in Black at March 0
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They allow it because they want you to repent, they want submit to their ideals. Confess yourself and be made whole.

Posted by: Braenyard at March 05, 2022 12:41 PM (0cXtD)

204 It makes literally no sense. In any way you could approach it.

Well, that's the left for you. Layers upon layers of nonsense and lies.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 05, 2022 12:42 PM (Xrfse)

205 Shit, just when I thought I was getting ahead of things, flying my new "I ❤ Iran" flag and wearing the matching tee shirt, you give me THIS?
Posted by: Mr Gaga at March 05, 2022 11:38 AM

Edited, for clarity

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 05, 2022 12:42 PM (vOGqy)

206 194
Oh yeah? Well, Biden's having an ice cream cone with sprinkles in Delaware today.
Posted by: Lady in Black at March 05, 2022 12:39 PM

Really?!?! What a scoop! Do you know what flavor he's getting? Our in-depth analysis shows vanilla chocolate chip is his favorite!

Posted by: CNN at March 05, 2022 12:42 PM (JCZqz)

207 I had a LIV ask me what a Russian oligarch was. I told her the Russian equivalent of Zuckerberg or Bezos.
Posted by: 18-1 at March 05, 2022 12:38 PM (ESjRY)

Yes, bazillionaires who a greedy, just like ours, except ours tend to bang underaged girls and boys.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 05, 2022 12:42 PM (4GFH7)

208
Taiwan needs to declare independence now and we need to land troops on that island. At least an airborne division. Start shipping in the heavy equipment and lots and lots of anti ship missiles.
Tell the CCP to come and take it. It will take them awhile to build up the forces at the ports which will be target rich environments for these missiles. Sink them in the ports!

Posted by: Fish and Chips
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Feel free to move there and help them fight. Otherwise, better to produce a crash program here to reshore our digital chip and computer making industries. Unlike the Manhattan project, we already know what works.

Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 12:43 PM (Iq9dF)

209 Dostoyevsky

My daughter summarized "The Idiot" for me i haven't read it. Please feel free to correct me in the comments. A man lives according to Christian ideals and is considered crazy.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at March 05, 2022 12:43 PM (IDhUW)

210 Putin's latest aggression -- this time aimed at the very heart of Europe -- may have the salutary effect of shocking us into looking the threat of tyranny straight in the face.

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"We have met the enemy, and he is us." -- Things Western Tyrants Will Never Acknowledge for $1000, Alex

Posted by: ShainS -- Honk Semper Tyrannis! at March 05, 2022 12:43 PM (qVRSW)

211 The Prime Minister of Israel is meeting with Putin in the Kremlin today.

*

And we're just one year into Biden's first term.

Posted by: Moron Rubie - Enjoy your new DNA at March 05, 2022 12:44 PM (cUuEU)

212 Posted by: rhomboid at March 05, 2022 12:41 PM (OTzUX)

When you turn your opponent into a Cartoon Character... the only result left is to destroy him...

Because you can't negotiate or have peace, with a cartoon character.

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 05, 2022 12:44 PM (oHd/0)

213 I am left wondering what Putin might mean by "deeply religious". I think he means it in a cultural, rather than in a personal sense.

Right. I am pretty sure Putin is himself agnostic at best, but he is culturally religious in that vague "spiritual" sense that many American "Christians" were in the 1950s: you moved to a new town, picked a church, went there not out of love of Jesus and a desire to worship, but to make contacts, fit a comfortable traditional part of your life, and be part of the community.

England to the extent it has any organized religious existence whatsoever is in the same boat. They don't have any particular love of church or God, but they do like those old traditional church days and festivals and events, so they have the picnics and faires and parades, and decorate. Its as religious as St Patrick's day.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 05, 2022 12:44 PM (KZzsI)

214 They allow it because they want you to repent, they want submit to their ideals. Confess yourself and be made whole.

Posted by: Braenyard
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Don't count on that for mercy--it is a short hop in their mind from deplorables to irredeemables and from sinful human to demons in human form to be exterminated.

Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 12:44 PM (Iq9dF)

215 Putin's latest aggression -- this time aimed at the very heart of Europe

Has this guy ever actually read a map?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 05, 2022 12:45 PM (KZzsI)

216 Taiwan needs to declare independence now and we need to land troops on that island.

**

hahahaha
(snort)
hahahahaha
(wheeze)
hahahaha

I'd prefer my kids to build the computer parts here rather than die over there, thanks.

Posted by: Moron Rubie - Enjoy your new DNA at March 05, 2022 12:45 PM (cUuEU)

217 "They want all of us in a dumpster, on a railcar, starved, denied human rights. We hear it every week from some radical pinhead "

Psaki and that energy czar almost giggle when asked about increasing US oil production (opening more lands, plus the pipeline) ... "No, we are going to cut back, you must do with less, while we save the planet".

Not sure they really believe they are saving the planet, they just enjoy forcing America into depression ... we hard working "capitalists" deserve it, from their elitist (for now) position of heavy hand authority.

Posted by: illiniwek at March 05, 2022 12:45 PM (Cus5s)

218 just beyond the perimeter of free self-government

Where is that exactly? Because I'm not seeing 'free self-government' where I live.

Posted by: Methos at March 05, 2022 12:46 PM (kOpft)

219 Israel has been on very good practical terms with Russia for some time, for various reasons, this is nothing new.

A few years back one of the guests of honor at the Victory Day parade was Bibi. Russia and Israel have a fairly complex set of issues where there is a common approach, or divergence. Turkey has moved from quiet Israeli ace in the hole to frenemy, as it has also become a non-trivial strategic competitor to Moscow (the 2nd Karabakh war = big win for Turkey, whose UAVs are currently possibly Ukraine's best advanced military system). In Syria, they've had different approaches to the regime, obviously, but for practical reasons have often been fighting the same people, and have had mostly perfect deconfliction coordination.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 05, 2022 12:47 PM (OTzUX)

220
Long way of saying, there is some evidence that small amounts of radiation may actually help (at least some) people rather than hurt them. Same as trace elements for diet. The dose determines whether it is medicine or poison.
Posted by: whig
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An example would be radon. Limited exposure is beneficial, larger exposure, not. Never mind that...radon 'remediation' has become a money-maker industry. Any trace of radon causes panic.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 05, 2022 12:48 PM (AytXr)

221 Obama does not posses a pair; his Tranny wife does.

PDT has a pair of steel ones.

Biden has a diaper.

Quick question. During which administrations did Putin invade Ukraine?

Also Clinton, whose pair is well known to the Epstein harem of underage girls, encouraged and oversaw Ukraine sending their nukes back to Russia for a pledge never to invade.

Posted by: Fish and Chips at March 05, 2022 12:48 PM (QMwOT)

222 Thx for that. The video of the guys and the explosion is pretty amazing. No way could they get me to do that voluntarily and even if order to do so, I think I might rather be sent to the stockade.
Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 12:34 PM (Iq9dF)

Oh yeah, they were definitely ordered to stand in that location.

Also, a quick correction on my part: IMDB listed the movie as I relayed it in my original posting. That turns out to be the title on the original VHS tape. When released on DVD, the title was changed somewhat to Atomic Filmmakers - Hollywood's Secret Film Studio.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at March 05, 2022 12:48 PM (ZSK0i)

223 Past noon....Imma have a coffee and kahlua.

Posted by: BignJames at March 05, 2022 12:48 PM (AwYPR)

224 Retardo is deeply religious. Just ask him. Every Ash Wednesday, there he his, with his ashes. Of course, it's probably Dr. Jill "hey you, yeah you, hand me that ash tray so I can decorate the stumblebum's forehead".

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at March 05, 2022 12:49 PM (lz5hY)

225 187 In Saudi, punishment for theft is cutting off hands. There are 6 conditions that have to be met, though...

Posted by: runner
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Islamic jurisprudence is an interesting study that is pretty opaque to outsiders. I once knew a guy whose father served on the Supreme Court in Saudi Arabia--had some interesting discussions with that guy including the split between northern and southern Saudi regions regarding jurisprudence. Studies of the Ottoman Empire's legal system are probably the best documented outside for outsiders of being fluent in Arabic.

Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 12:49 PM (Iq9dF)

226 Any update on the convoy?

Posted by: Jewells45 deplorablethug#FJB at March 05, 2022 12:49 PM (nxdel)

227 When released on DVD, the title was changed somewhat to Atomic Filmmakers - Hollywood's Secret Film Studio.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent
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Will search that out. Interesting series of well made films on atomics by the US military and civilian agencies in the 50's.

Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 12:50 PM (Iq9dF)

228 Kerry is a dunce. He is ALWAYS worried about "Climate Change."

Is Putin "deeply religious?" Well, he goes to Russian Orthodox Mass and takes Communion.

Russia looks at the West and sees that without the support of the U.S., Western Europe, especially Germany, is weak. Biden projects weakness.

Ukraine is in the "sphere of influence." We (the U.S. not me) had no effing business moving NATO east.

Posted by: New York Times Headline at March 05, 2022 12:50 PM (lKAqb)

229 Israel's meeting with Putin has multiple possibilities. Russia is a prime mover in the Iran deal that Biden depserately wants. Israel has a vested interest obviously. Zelensky is Jewish and that makes the Prime Minister of Israel a potential mediator. The pipeline from massive Israeli gas find has been kayoed by the US but what if some kind of combination couold benefit both parties?
Interesting, no?

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 05, 2022 12:51 PM (Y+l9t)

230 Off "Trump and Putin to blame" and "women and minorities hardest hurt" sock.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at March 05, 2022 12:51 PM (lKAqb)

231 224 Retardo is deeply religious. Just ask him. Every Ash Wednesday, there he his, with his ashes. Of course, it's probably Dr. Jill "hey you, yeah you, hand me that ash tray so I can decorate the stumblebum's forehead".
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at March 05, 2022 12:49 PM (lz5hY)

They use the ashes of incinerated aborted babies.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at March 05, 2022 12:52 PM (vVdlI)

232 Feel free to move there and help them fight. Otherwise, better to produce a crash program here to reshore our digital chip and computer making industries. Unlike the Manhattan project, we already know what works.
Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 12:43 PM (Iq9dF)

Seconded.

Also, Russia's invasion of Ukraine may lead to a deep recession. China's absorption of Taiwan via political and military means could lead to a straight depression. Ironically, the only other major producer of the antibiotics we use, India, is firmly on Russia's side now. You don't go to war with the producers of your antibiotics. Offshoring to China and globalism in general have proved to be the biggest ideological failures since Marxism.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at March 05, 2022 12:52 PM (nMx88)

233 226 Any update on the convoy?
Posted by: Jewells45 deplorablethug#FJB at March 05, 2022 12:49 PM (nxdel)

We is headin' for bear on I-10
'Bout a mile outta Shaky Town
I says, "Pig Pen, this here's the Rubber Duck"
"And I'm about to put the hammer down"

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at March 05, 2022 12:53 PM (vVdlI)

234 Psaki and that energy czar almost giggle when asked about increasing US oil production (opening more lands, plus the pipeline) ... "No, we are going to cut back, you must do with less, while we save the planet".

**

It's never been more starkly obvious that they are no longer representatives. Gas going up a dime a day and their solution is to buy it from a terrorist state rather than put Americans that they destroyed financially back to work in an industry that would immediately help everyone in the U.S.

Posted by: Moron Rubie - Enjoy your new DNA at March 05, 2022 12:53 PM (cUuEU)

235 202 And unless the Russians botch this thing in a military sense - which is possible - then the negotiated outcome will not conform to any "ideological" imperatives imputed to one man. Of that I'm fairly confident.

And all the emphasis on one man, which in this case goes beyond typical focus/demonization that is both natural but sometimes also engineered, also provides a dubious foundation for finding elaborate ideological motivations for what are easily understood practical (if "muscular") actions.

Ethnic irredentism and a fundamentally paranoid conservative approach to western land approaches fully explains every Russian action from 1991 to March 2022.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 05, 2022 12:41 PM (OTzUX)
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A friend sent me a link to an Vox Day post (he seems to be rooting for, if not rationalizing, Putin's behavior) where he speculates Russia is holding back on the Ukrainian front as part of a cautious gamed-/planned-out scenario in case of possibly being attacked on a second front -- either by NATO via another Eastern European country or possibly even China itself if it senses Russian vulnerability.

https://tinyurl.com/4m99rnuk

Posted by: ShainS -- Honk Semper Tyrannis! at March 05, 2022 12:53 PM (qVRSW)

236 35 All Marxism is, regardless of its verbiage, is simply applying the logic of the family to society at large. Note that the missing ingredient that causes a mother and father to work to support their children is love which is NOT present when applied to society.

Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 11:30 AM

I just recently saw something on this from a Marxist (article or YouTube video...can't recall) where he said the big problem was lack of trust. Socialism doesn't work in the family because of love or self-interest, but because we can see and trust everyone works as they can, and receives as they need. Because we as individuals can't directly observe this with people further outside of our home/neighborhood/city/state/country, it falls apart at higher levels.

Of course, his solution was mindless trust in government to ensure everything was doled out fairly, because government is obviously just everyone working together for the greatest common good. Right?

Posted by: Grimmy at March 05, 2022 12:53 PM (JCZqz)

237 Pain at the pump here in Cali - $5.22/gallon. Thanks to the idiot in the WH.

Posted by: IC - #FJB at March 05, 2022 12:53 PM (hV9ir)

238 Lenin had the syph. He was mad as a shithouse rat.

Putin? Putin is strong like Bull.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 05, 2022 12:54 PM (R/m4+)

239 Planned Parenthood uses those ashes for that. The Catholic church uses the ashes from the previous year's palm fronds.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at March 05, 2022 12:54 PM (lKAqb)

240 It's just like in Iron Man 3. Nobody has yet been able to convince me that Zelenskyy isn't The Mandarin.

*takes another bong rip*

Posted by: Dr. Bone at March 05, 2022 12:54 PM (PEbbU)

241 Past noon....Imma have a coffee and kahlua.
Posted by: BignJames
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In my campaign to regain weight, I've been pondering Ensure + ?, Grand Marnier? Rum? Bourbon? Hadn't thought about Kahlua...

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 05, 2022 12:54 PM (l0Lgi)

242 A bit of time-sensitive trivia:

Flightradar24.com is showing a Russian flight, RSD88, heading from St. Petersburg to Dulles International. RSD88's description is "Rossiya - Special Flight Squadron".

Probably some sort of high-level diplomatic flight, but for what specific purpose I can't guess.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at March 05, 2022 12:55 PM (ZSK0i)

243 An example would be radon. Limited exposure is beneficial, larger exposure, not. Never mind that...radon 'remediation' has become a money-maker industry. Any trace of radon causes panic.

Posted by: Mike Hammer,
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Did not know that. Thanks for giving me that information.

Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 12:55 PM (Iq9dF)

244 Offshoring to China and globalism in general have proved to be the biggest ideological failures since Marxism.

*

But it saved us so much money! I mean, look at how car prices dropped in the U.S. when the Big Three sent manufacturing to Mexico and were able to pay 1/3rd of the costs to produce the same vehicles.

Posted by: Moron Rubie - Enjoy your new DNA at March 05, 2022 12:55 PM (cUuEU)

245 Probably some sort of high-level diplomatic flight, but for what specific purpose I can't guess.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent
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Putin's Airborne assault team to take out Graham and Levin for their assassination comments.

Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 12:56 PM (Iq9dF)

246 Of course, his solution was mindless trust in government to ensure everything was doled out fairly, because government is obviously just everyone working together for the greatest common good. Right?

--

That's why those in Marxist govt's always take sooo much more for themselves personally than the poor serfs under their control. Doled out fairly. Uh-huh...

Posted by: Lady in Black at March 05, 2022 12:57 PM (sVtYq)

247 Oh and I didn't mean to imply that actual ethnic tribalism, in the defensive sense ("our brothers are being mistreated!") isn't a populist live wire in Russia - on the contrary. There's always a question of whether it's a reaction to a real development, or a tool for the Kremlin's other practical strategery - or a bit of both.

Russians in Georgia in the 90s were getting 1,000% payback for eons of imperial and especially Soviet history. Not burned out of their homes or killed, but wow talk about disdained and pushed around.

But the proxy moves in Abkhazia and South Ossetia were easily explained as part of Russia's long obsession with Georgia (which I don't understand, apart from border with Turkey?), and not any pan-Slavic ideology of any kind. Though the South Ossetia one still puzzles me a bit. I guess majority Russian populace, and while "strategic" in a geographic sense for Georgia (perched right above the middle of the country), I don't think Russians there had it too bad post-collapse, in any sense of discrimination that was fairly severe across Georgia.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 05, 2022 12:57 PM (OTzUX)

248 The Prime Minister of Israel is meeting with Putin in the Kremlin today.

*

And we're just one year into Biden's first term.
Posted by: Moron Rubie - Enjoy your new DNA at March 05, 2022 12:44 PM (cUuEU)

Yup. Three more years to go.

Gird your loins.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at March 05, 2022 12:57 PM (Fs5vw)

249 Posted by: Grimmy
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Well, in a family, trust comes from love and familiarity along with some genetic prompts. Not really present in society at large though.

Thanks for posting this information and I will try to find it.

Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 12:58 PM (Iq9dF)

250 Read "Marx and Satan" by Richard Wurmbrand. Atheistic communism is for the rank and file. The inner circle is up to its eyebrows in satanism.

Saul Alinsky gave the game away in his foreword to "Rules for Radicals."

Posted by: callsign claymore at March 05, 2022 12:59 PM (N8uWh)

251 231 They use the ashes of incinerated aborted babies.

Molech requires it

Posted by: Dogbert at March 05, 2022 12:59 PM (rPjB9)

252 BurtTC and steal elections, just like foreign oligarchs

Posted by: Skip at March 05, 2022 12:59 PM (2JoB8)

253 But the proxy moves in Abkhazia and South Ossetia were easily explained as part of Russia's long obsession with Georgia (which I don't understand, apart from border with Turkey?), and not any pan-Slavic ideology of any kind. Though the South Ossetia one still puzzles me a bit. I guess majority Russian populace, and while "strategic" in a geographic sense for Georgia (perched right above the middle of the country), I don't think Russians there had it too bad post-collapse, in any sense of discrimination that was fairly severe across Georgia.

Posted by: rhomboid
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The short answer is probably because they could and I remember back in the day some talk about a lot of connected Russkies had dachas in those regions. Same as New Yorkers being concerned about their condos in Miami if Florida became independent.

Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 12:59 PM (Iq9dF)

254 Is
2022 Red Wave in jeopardy?

https://tinyurl.com/yckjrx5h
Posted by: kallisto at March 05, 2022 11:51 AM (DJFLF)

The woman who said it describes herself here.

am a woman and I am an immigrant to this country. I am Jewish by birth and atheist by faith. I am fairly well educated, borderline socialist and straight Democratic ticket voter. I have no use for guns.

Posted by: Clutch at March 05, 2022 01:00 PM (9UmRs)

255 My goodness. Corned beef on top of cabbage, boiled taters, kraut with Bohemian gravy over it all. Comes with homemade rye and a colachkie. I see a nap in my future.

Posted by: dartist at March 05, 2022 01:00 PM (+ya+t)

256 226 Any update on the convoy?

Posted by: Jewells45 deplorablethug#FJB at March 05, 2022 12:49 PM (nxdel)

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I saw some posts somewhere yesterday claiming (after being joined by some others), The People's Convoy was over 10,000 vehicles and 70 miles long.

Have not verified ... its' too bad their website doesn't keep us updated -- I suppose it's somewhat subjective.

Since I donated generously to this one (as well as the original Canadian GoFundMe and GiveSendGo), I'm expecting to be de-banked and de-personed, if not arrested during a 03:00 no-knock raid. #Soon

/only half-joking

Posted by: ShainS -- Honk Semper Tyrannis! at March 05, 2022 01:00 PM (qVRSW)

257 Bastard wasp bit me on the neck then proceeded under my shirt to sting me more. Took a while to unbutton that shirt.

Posted by: Braenyard at March 05, 2022 01:00 PM (0cXtD)

258 Putin's Airborne assault team to take out Graham and Levin for their assassination comments.
Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 12:56 PM (Iq9dF)

Heh.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at March 05, 2022 01:00 PM (ZSK0i)

259 It's just like in Iron Man 3. Nobody has yet been able to convince me that Zelenskyy isn't The Mandarin.

No, actually, the dude really is an actor. For real.

born 25 January 197

is a Ukrainian politician, former actor, and comedian who is the sixth and current president of Ukraine.

He then pursued comedy and created the production company Kvartal 95, which produces films, cartoons, and TV shows including Servant of the People, in which Zelenskyy played the role of president of Ukraine. The series aired from 2015 to 2019 and was immensely popular. A political party bearing the same name as the television show was created in March 2018 by employees of Kvartal 95.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 05, 2022 01:01 PM (KZzsI)

260 sharon adds in what I left out - Russia is a big part of any (disastrous) Iran deal, which obviously is Israel's first, second, and third top national security question at the moment.

Israel and Russia have had a lot of diplomatic coordination and interaction over the last few years, it just gets little attention here.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 05, 2022 01:01 PM (OTzUX)

261 257 Bastard wasp bit me on the neck then proceeded under my shirt to sting me more. Took a while to unbutton that shirt.
Posted by: Braenyard at March 05, 2022 01:00 PM (0cXtD)

Vicious little fuckers they are.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at March 05, 2022 01:02 PM (vVdlI)

262 And soup!

Posted by: dartist at March 05, 2022 01:02 PM (+ya+t)

263 258 during McCains funeral even. The nerve!

Posted by: Dogbert at March 05, 2022 01:02 PM (rPjB9)

264 It would be awesome for Wisconsin to go after Zuckerberg for election tampering

Posted by: Skip at March 05, 2022 01:02 PM (2JoB8)

265 We're in a situation where we have put together, and you guys did it for President Obama's administration before this, we have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics. Biden 10/24/2020

When you say the quiet part out loud.

Posted by: Count de Monet at March 05, 2022 01:04 PM (4I/2K)

266 Mike Hammer, rum, and as you're a man of means, Foursquare, if'n you like rich bourbon-ish finishes.

But I don't think you can really put on weight from drinking the hard stuff, can you? I mean, there being a limit on quantities you can consume without other issues arising.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 05, 2022 01:04 PM (OTzUX)

267 I would beg to differ--it works in a family unit of parents and children as you do see parents unselfishly working for the benefit of their children more than not.
Posted by: whig

That's not what is meant by socialism and you know it.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 05, 2022 01:05 PM (zWpOF)

268 In my campaign to regain weight, I've been pondering Ensure + ?, Grand Marnier? Rum? Bourbon? Hadn't thought about Kahlua...
Posted by: Mike Hammer

I think I read it here: embrace the power of AND... as a bonus you will not worry about your weight for a while.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at March 05, 2022 01:05 PM (vnqom)

269 Any update on the convoy?

I have been getting updates from chd.tv. they have had short updates every day.

The People's Convoy was scheduled to arrive in MD last night and may stay another night there.

They are not going into DC proper, but rather the outskirts soon.

There are Natl Guard and police from surrounding areas in DC.

The stories from the Convoy are encouraging.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at March 05, 2022 01:05 PM (IDhUW)

270 And two hard boiled eggs!

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 05, 2022 01:05 PM (KZzsI)

271 Bastard wasp bit me on the neck then proceeded under my shirt to sting me more. Took a while to unbutton that shirt.
Posted by: Braenyard at March 05, 2022 01:00 PM (0cXtD)

Yikes!
Benadryl?

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at March 05, 2022 01:06 PM (lCui1)

272 Offshoring to China and globalism in general have proved to be the biggest ideological failures since Marxism.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat
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I think a lot of that globalism has been spurred by the financial industry in the US. For the most part, the financial industry is obsessed with arbitrage where they make money off the flow risk free from servicing and fronting deals rather than being committed.

So for them, the currency flow of the dollar presents unique arbitrage because of the size of the flows and the ability to make money on inflows and outflows of the currency through servicing investments, hedging, loan servicing, etc. and separating the risks by pawning those off on those willing to gamble for big stakes more or less.

Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 01:07 PM (Iq9dF)

273 271 Bastard wasp bit me on the neck then proceeded under my shirt to sting me more. Took a while to unbutton that shirt.
Posted by: Braenyard
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Try meat tenderizer on the sting sites. It dissolves the spike and lessens the poisonous effects. Has to be done quickly though.

Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 01:08 PM (Iq9dF)

274 That's not what is meant by socialism and you know it.

Posted by: weft cut-loop
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You might try reading the whole exchange in this thread.

Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 01:09 PM (Iq9dF)

275 And two hard boiled eggs!
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I'll bet you can't eat 50!

Posted by: dartist at March 05, 2022 01:10 PM (+ya+t)

276 In my campaign to regain weight, I've been pondering Ensure + ?, Grand Marnier? Rum? Bourbon? Hadn't thought about Kahlua...

Posted by: Mike Hammer
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If trying to gain weight, you might try beer or wine as you can get more carbs other than the alcohol itself that way. But less buzzed per dose consumed is the downside.

Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 01:11 PM (Iq9dF)

277 And two hard boiled eggs!
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 05, 2022 01:05 PM (KZzsI)

I get that reference. +1

Posted by: Count de Monet at March 05, 2022 01:11 PM (4I/2K)

278 Anddddd... here it comes. Multiple stories of American Vets going to Ukraine to fight.

Soon, multiple stories of how they died bravely, with calls to 'not let their sacrifice be in vain'.

War drums...

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 05, 2022 01:13 PM (oHd/0)

279 I get that reference. +1

*honk honk*
...
*runs away from Trudeau's jackbooted thugs*

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 05, 2022 01:13 PM (KZzsI)

280 Hey, Hate, how goes the health situation?
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at March 05, 2022 12:37 PM (lz5hY)

Hey, bill, slowly making progress. Thanks for asking.

Posted by: Captain Hate won't forget Michael Byrd Murdered Ashli Babbitt at March 05, 2022 01:13 PM (y7DUB)

281 274
You might try reading the whole exchange in this thread.
Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 01:09 PM

You must be new around these parts...that's not how we roll at the 'ole AoS.

Posted by: Ace of Spades Old Timer and Rules Nazi at March 05, 2022 01:14 PM (CcQHP)

282 In my campaign to regain weight

Milk shakes... Helped My Mother

Posted by: It's me donna at March 05, 2022 01:14 PM (J8ILO)

283 Hey! Did youse guys know that Bill Barr has a book for sale?
Posted by: BignJames

Doesn't everyone ?

Posted by: JT at March 05, 2022 01:15 PM (arJlL)

284 Hammer, sip bourbon all day and you'll gain weight but you won't give a shit about much else.

Posted by: dartist at March 05, 2022 01:16 PM (+ya+t)

285
But I don't think you can really put on weight from drinking the hard stuff, can you? I mean, there being a limit on quantities you can consume without other issues arising.
Posted by: rhomboid
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The alcohol is only to make the Ensure more interesting.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 05, 2022 01:16 PM (ELgVT)

286 I'd sure like 5 minutes with that Lenin statue

Posted by: Skip at March 05, 2022 01:16 PM (2JoB8)

287 Russians are detaining a WNBA player for allegedly having vape laced with hashish and if it's true, tough shit kiddo.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at March 05, 2022 12:25 PM (lz5hY)

From Houston and a former high school basketball star. Oh, the shame, the shame!

Posted by: Count de Monet at March 05, 2022 01:16 PM (4I/2K)

288 You must be new around these parts...that's not how we roll at the 'ole AoS.

Posted by: Ace of Spades
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Some folks do, others do not. I read all the comments like wise people do--not the content as newbies do. I keed. I keed.

Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 01:16 PM (Iq9dF)

289 Anddddd... here it comes. Multiple stories of American Vets going to Ukraine to fight.
Soon, multiple stories of how they died bravely, with calls to 'not let their sacrifice be in vain'.
War drums...
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 05, 2022 01:13 PM (oHd/0)

Like the Flying Tigers!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 05, 2022 01:17 PM (R/m4+)

290 Well, dude. If nothing else is accomplished this weekend, we were able to set up a hotline we've never had since the cold war between adversaries so NATO can listen in.

*takes another bong rip*

Posted by: Dr. Bone at March 05, 2022 01:17 PM (PEbbU)

291 Posted by: AmericanKestrel at March 05, 2022 01:05 PM (IDhUW

They need to de-emphasize the Coof and focus more on oil.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at March 05, 2022 01:17 PM (Fs5vw)

292 278 Anddddd... here it comes. Multiple stories of American Vets going to Ukraine to fight.
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 05, 2022 01:13 PM

Just had a medically retired soldier stop in my office last week asking about his security clearance, and if it would cause problems if he went to Ukraine to fight. We've got a lot of bored/underemployed combat vets that would love to go fight, especially if it's a free-for-all on their terms, instead of with a structured unit. I can see all kinds of problems arising out of it.

Posted by: Anon Military Moron at March 05, 2022 01:18 PM (CcQHP)

293 Soon, multiple stories of how they died bravely, with calls to 'not let their sacrifice be in vain'.

Are they literally trying to play out Woodrow Wilson's presidency step by step?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 05, 2022 01:18 PM (KZzsI)

294 244
'I mean, look at how car prices dropped in the U.S. when the Big Three sent manufacturing to Mexico'

This is sarcasm,right?

Posted by: Dr. Claw at March 05, 2022 01:18 PM (roH4R)

295 289 Anddddd... here it comes. Multiple stories of American Vets going to Ukraine to fight.
Soon, multiple stories of how they died bravely, with calls to 'not let their sacrifice be in vain'.
War drums...
Posted by: Romeo13
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They were persuaded by the fact that they too can own an abandoned Russian tank or APC. Tax free no less.

Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 01:18 PM (Iq9dF)

296 Putin's Airborne assault team to take out Graham and Levin for their assassination comments.

It moved.

Posted by: Capital Eff at March 05, 2022 01:19 PM (GYllL)

297 We've got a lot of bored/underemployed combat vets that would love to go fight, especially if it's a free-for-all on their terms, instead of with a structured unit. I can see all kinds of problems arising out of it.
Posted by: Anon Military Moron

Do volunteers get paid?

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at March 05, 2022 01:19 PM (lCui1)

298 Like the Flying Tigers!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy
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More like the Lincoln Brigade, part deux. Flying around Ukraine might just be hazardous to your health.

Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 01:19 PM (Iq9dF)

299 Pour some Kahlua into a milkshake.

Posted by: pawn at March 05, 2022 01:20 PM (kYVzH)

300 Anddddd... here it comes. Multiple stories of American Vets going to Ukraine to fight.

Soon, multiple stories of how they died bravely, with calls to 'not let their sacrifice be in vain'.

War drums...
Posted by: Romeo13

**

Some football player will sign up shortly. Die, be a hero, then it will come out that his death was from the Ukranians.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Nothing's Built, Nothing's Back, Nothing's Better at March 05, 2022 01:20 PM (Kt1w/)

301 Anddddd... here it comes. Multiple stories of American Vets going to Ukraine to fight.
Soon, multiple stories of how they died bravely, with calls to 'not let their sacrifice be in vain'.
War drums...
Posted by: Romeo13
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They were persuaded by the fact that they too can own an abandoned Russian tank or APC. Tax free no less.
Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 01:18 PM (Iq9dF)

Tax free war booty FTW! Shipping it home might be a tetch expensive tho.

Posted by: Count de Monet at March 05, 2022 01:20 PM (4I/2K)

302 Dostoyevsky

My daughter summarized "The Idiot" for me i haven't read it. Please feel free to correct me in the comments. A man lives according to Christian ideals and is considered crazy.
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at March 05, 2022 12:43 PM (IDhUW)

Kind of. Fyodor was pretty much a lowlife gambler who literally starved his children to feed his compulsion. He often wrote quickly to sell his writings to pay off the arm breakers. I think The Idiot was a big example of that because there were huge disconnects between chapters that it's like reading a different book. So it's hard to detect a coherent overall theme.

Posted by: Captain Hate won't forget Michael Byrd Murdered Ashli Babbitt at March 05, 2022 01:20 PM (y7DUB)

303 282 In my campaign to regain weight
Milk shakes... Helped My Mother
Posted by: It's me donna at March 05, 2022 01:14 PM

Rub toilet paper on your body every day. Worked on my wife's ass.

Posted by: Shoe-Horn in an old joke at March 05, 2022 01:20 PM (CcQHP)

304
Milk shakes... Helped My Mother
Posted by: It's me donna
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Well, after a fashion, that is what Ensure is. Just fotified with protein and vitamins. The other evening (tip o' the hat) a helpful Moron suggested a specific dry protein powder, for DIY protein drink.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 05, 2022 01:20 PM (DMQdU)

305
Anddddd... here it comes. Multiple stories of American Vets going to Ukraine to fight.
Soon, multiple stories of how they died bravely, with calls to 'not let their sacrifice be in vain'.
War drums...
Posted by: Romeo13

Like the Flying Tigers!
Posted by: Hairyback Guy

Abraham Lincoln Brigade

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 05, 2022 01:21 PM (63Dwl)

306 'fortified', dammit.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 05, 2022 01:21 PM (DMQdU)

307 292
I would think the biggest problem for any would be warrior would not speaking the language.
How do you who? what? or Where? in that scenario?
You can't ask anyone.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at March 05, 2022 01:21 PM (roH4R)

308 286 I'd sure like 5 minutes with that Lenin statue

Posted by: Skip at March 05, 2022 01:16 PM (2JoB

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"If I had a rocket launcher ..."

Posted by: ShainS -- Honk Semper Tyrannis! at March 05, 2022 01:21 PM (qVRSW)

309 This is sarcasm,right?
Posted by: Dr. Claw

**

Very, very much so.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Nothing's Built, Nothing's Back, Nothing's Better at March 05, 2022 01:21 PM (Kt1w/)

310 The Ukraine girls really knock me out, they leave the West behind...

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at March 05, 2022 01:22 PM (yQpMk)

311 Do volunteers get paid?

Posted by: vmom
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Can't and be protected by Geneva Conventions. They would have to enlist formally in the Ukrainian military I think and get the same pay as they did.

Not a problem with the Flying Tigers as Japan did not adhere to the Geneva Conventions anyway to horrific effect on anyone captured by them. That fact is glossed over in war histories while accentuating racism of the Allies is.

Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 01:22 PM (Iq9dF)

312 156 Russians are detaining a WNBA player for allegedly having vape laced with hashish and if it's true, tough shit kiddo.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at March 05, 2022 12:25 PM (lz5hY)

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Midnight Express 2: Turkish Revenge Boogaloo.

Posted by: ShainS -- Honk Semper Tyrannis! at March 05, 2022 01:22 PM (qVRSW)

313 Apparently the WHO is still pushing vaxx passports, so the ChiVi battle is not over.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at March 05, 2022 01:22 PM (IDhUW)

314 283 Hey! Did youse guys know that Bill Barr has a book for sale?
Posted by: BignJames

Doesn't everyone ?
Posted by: JT at March 05, 2022 01:15 PM (arJlL)

Times are bad. Children no longer obey their parents, and everyone is writing a book.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at March 05, 2022 01:22 PM (lR7Oz)

315 254
' I am Jewish by birth and atheist by faith. I am fairly well educated, borderline socialist and straight Democratic ticket voter. I have no use for guns.'

Just like every other American. We're screwed!

Posted by: Dr. Claw at March 05, 2022 01:22 PM (roH4R)

316 You ever notice how the news guys never call Ukraine by its ethnic name, they still pronounce it You-Crane? For all the ridiculous overstatements and comically jarring wording like the laughable "keev", they still don't say "Ook(ROLLED R)-ahine"

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 05, 2022 01:23 PM (KZzsI)

317 >>Anddddd... here it comes. Multiple stories of American Vets going to Ukraine to fight.

Going for the Uke poontang right?

Posted by: Capital Eff at March 05, 2022 01:23 PM (GYllL)

318 307 292
I would think the biggest problem for any would be warrior would not speaking the language.
How do you who? what? or Where? in that scenario?
You can't ask anyone.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at March 05, 2022 01:21 PM

English is prevalent everywhere. You'd be amazed.

Posted by: Anon Military Moron at March 05, 2022 01:23 PM (CcQHP)

319 Tax free war booty FTW! Shipping it home might be a tetch expensive tho.

Posted by: Count de Monet
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Someone posted on Ebay, probably for a lark, a Russian Tank for sale. Think it was about 400,000 or so listed price.
As you said though, shipping through a war zone would be a beyootch.

Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 01:24 PM (Iq9dF)

320 Grand Marnier? Rum? Bourbon? Hadn't thought about Kahlua...
Posted by: Mike Hammer
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How goes it with solids?

Posted by: Braenyard at March 05, 2022 01:24 PM (0cXtD)

321 Rub toilet paper on your body every day. Worked on my wife's ass.
Posted by: Shoe-Horn
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As a marginally vulgar aside, I have a friend with wife and two girls. One supposes that toilet paper is a significant line-item in their budget.

Posted by: Anon at March 05, 2022 01:24 PM (u8iy0)

322 Do volunteers get paid?

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at March 05, 2022 01:19 PM (lCui1)

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I'm envisioning thousands of new GoFundMe accounts ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Honk Semper Tyrannis! at March 05, 2022 01:24 PM (qVRSW)

323 If you don't encourage your sons to go fight alongside the people in Ukraine who are literally Nazi worshippers and sympathizers than you are a pro-Russian stooge and should lose your job.

https://tinyurl.com/yb2g2kap

spoilers: PBS interviewed a hero mayor of a Ukranian city and behind him is a portrait of Nazi leader and Holocaust perpetrator Stepan Bandera that they tried to blur out

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Nothing's Built, Nothing's Back, Nothing's Better at March 05, 2022 01:25 PM (Kt1w/)

324 242 A bit of time-sensitive trivia:

Flightradar24.com is showing a Russian flight, RSD88, heading from St. Petersburg to Dulles International. RSD88's description is "Rossiya - Special Flight Squadron".

Probably some sort of high-level diplomatic flight, but for what specific purpose I can't guess.
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at March 05, 2022 12:55 PM (ZSK0i)
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10%

Posted by: Braenyard at March 05, 2022 01:25 PM (0cXtD)

325 I know what Putin is thinking! Just like I always knew exactly what Donald Trump was thinking!

Reward me!

Posted by: West at March 05, 2022 01:25 PM (QY+6a)

326 I'd sure like 5 minutes with that Lenin statue
Posted by: Skip

See #153

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at March 05, 2022 01:26 PM (vnqom)

327 More like the Lincoln Brigade, part deux. Flying around Ukraine might just be hazardous to your health.
Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 01:19 PM (Iq9dF)

Do they still get to paint that cool Shark's Mouth on their gear?

Maybe a patch or two too.

The commies in the Linc Brigade were boring. No imagination.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 05, 2022 01:26 PM (R/m4+)

328 I don't know about People's Convoy, but in Ottawa there's a march today. It was billed as million man march but doesn't look like it achieved those numbers.

Livestream:

https://tinyurl.com/dz2amyu7

Posted by: kallisto at March 05, 2022 01:27 PM (DJFLF)

329 Was thinking red paint and a cordless angle grinder, 5 minutes

Posted by: Skip at March 05, 2022 01:27 PM (2JoB8)

330 Probably some sort of high-level diplomatic flight, but for what specific purpose I can't guess.
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Pallets of cash is my guess.

Posted by: dartist at March 05, 2022 01:27 PM (+ya+t)

331
Going for the Uke poontang right?
Posted by: Capital Eff at March 05, 2022 01:23 PM (GYllL)

Killing Russians and getting laid. Every soldier's dream.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at March 05, 2022 01:27 PM (Fs5vw)

332 GARDEN NOOD

Posted by: Skip guy who says NOOD at March 05, 2022 01:28 PM (2JoB8)

333 Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door
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In Russia, door knock on you.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 05, 2022 01:28 PM (bk3Sg)

334 This is sarcasm,right?
Posted by: Dr. Claw

**

Very, very much so.

~~~
Moron Robbie does sarcasm well.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at March 05, 2022 01:28 PM (IDhUW)

335 Hey, want to kill some Russians?
Sure!
Okay, you're going to be on the side of the Nazis. Is that cool?
Wait, what?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Nothing's Built, Nothing's Back, Nothing's Better at March 05, 2022 01:28 PM (Kt1w/)

336 The lenin statue thing really is a good point though.

Seriously.

They're canceling guys far older than Lenin, from further back in history. They're canceling guys far less related to Russia. Why aren't we canceling Lenin?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 05, 2022 01:28 PM (KZzsI)

337 GARDEN NOOD
Posted by: Skip
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Nekkid gnome?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 05, 2022 01:28 PM (pbStR)

338 Why aren't we canceling Lenin?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
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The Horde has mastered the art of Rhetorical Questions.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 05, 2022 01:30 PM (pbStR)

339 The commies in the Linc Brigade were boring. No imagination.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 05, 2022 01:26 PM (R/m4+)

Commies can't meme.

Posted by: Count de Monet at March 05, 2022 01:30 PM (4I/2K)

340 I don't know where the Ottawa march is headed. I'm assuming Parliament Hill?

Posted by: kallisto at March 05, 2022 01:30 PM (DJFLF)

341 In my campaign to regain weight, I've been pondering Ensure + ?, Grand Marnier? Rum? Bourbon? Hadn't thought about Kahlua...

Posted by: Mike Hammer

Have trigglypuff sit on yer lap !

Or, get lt. col. bearclaw's diet book !

Posted by: JT at March 05, 2022 01:31 PM (arJlL)

342 The after story in that article is that apparently most of the men involved lived to an old age.

We still very poorly understand the long term effects of radiation on the human body. The recent nuclear accident in Japan showed much less injury then expected among the clean up crew.
Posted by: 18-1

air bursts are reasonable survivable by humans and animals. we used them as a tactic during the cold war to eliminate the fights bomber swarms the soviets had in europe. the radiation is mostly blown away off after the bkast and overpressure is expended in the atmosphere. surface bursts are used primarily to deny the enemy freedom of terrain without drastic precautions. the high yield explosion turns all of the ground material into radio active long term gamma radiation. everything put into the atmosphere with the ground burst spreads out and literally kills anything around it within maybe 3 weeks. if you can stay with about 25 to 30 feet of earth between you and the gamma radiation for maybe three weeks, the halflife of the radiation becomes short term survivable so you can unass the blast area.

Posted by: BifBewalski @ (IJES/) - at March 05, 2022 01:31 PM (IJES/)

343 The commies in the Linc Brigade were boring. No imagination.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy
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Too bad AH is not here. But, the Lincoln Brigade was armed with some interesting collectible Mosins among other arms. There is also a very dangerous to fire Spanish Mauser version that was made in Barcelona in very limited numbers if I remember correctly. Minimally bad heat treatment of the receiver and barrel so unwise to fire. Course Samco Global bought them.

One of the issues was that the Spanish military in some places apparently separated bolts and rifles as a security measure and when the war came, a number of those Oviedo Mausers had some headspace issues as a result. The older Oberndorf made Spanish Mausers are very consistent in both bolt and receiver measurements as well as workmanship.

Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 01:31 PM (Iq9dF)

344 Try meat tenderizer on the sting sites.

Has Cannibal Bob weighed in on that?

Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 05, 2022 01:31 PM (Xrfse)

345 They're canceling guys far older than Lenin, from further back in history. They're canceling guys far less related to Russia. Why aren't we canceling Lenin?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 05, 2022 01:28 PM (KZzsI)

Excellent point. And Stalin, and all the Tsars, and caviar, and borscht, and The Nutcracker and Sputnik, etc, etc.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 05, 2022 01:31 PM (R/m4+)

346 In my campaign to regain weight, I've been pondering Ensure + ?, Grand Marnier? Rum? Bourbon? Hadn't thought about Kahlua...

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 05, 2022 12:54 PM (l0Lgi)

Amaretto is good w/just about anything....pretty sweet, tho.

Posted by: BignJames at March 05, 2022 01:33 PM (AwYPR)

347 if you can stay with about 25 to 30 feet of earth between you and the gamma radiation for maybe three weeks, the halflife of the radiation becomes short term survivable so you can unass the blast area.

Posted by: BifBewalski
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I can see that you served back when the Army seriously considered using tactical nukes and the Soviets were considered highly likely to do it. My father was an ordnance officer during those days and it was pretty depressing reading some of his unclassified training materials on battlefield effects.

Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 01:33 PM (Iq9dF)

348 318 307 292

My experience is almost all in W.Europe but I found English mainly in businesses with international reach or urban hospitality (hotels, restaurants).
You go out of the cities to the countryside, English knowledge drops off precipitously.
I'll bet English is even more sparse in Ukraine.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at March 05, 2022 01:34 PM (roH4R)

349 the nuking of the mass formations of fihters and bombers as a tactic, forced the soviets to develop aircraft cabale of low level terrain following ingress and exit of the fire support coordination line to get behind the air defenses and take out infrastructure. this is where and why the patriot missile system was developed. it is supreme in that kind of anti aircraft supression role.

Posted by: BifBewalski @ (IJES/) - at March 05, 2022 01:34 PM (IJES/)

350 344 Try meat tenderizer on the sting sites.

Has Cannibal Bob weighed in on that?

Posted by: Notorious BFD
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Probably in the food thread tomorrow. Sous vide of tenderized long pig recipes.

Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 01:36 PM (Iq9dF)

351 The Prime Minister of Israel is meeting with Putin in the Kremlin today.

So when do they start building the final Temple on the alleged location of the Temple Mount?

Posted by: Reuben Hick at March 05, 2022 01:36 PM (lD3vL)

352 My father was an ordnance officer during those days and it was pretty depressing reading some of his unclassified training materials on battlefield effects.
Posted by: whig

yeah, i earned my army warrant rank as a warhead custodian in the nike hercules missle system.

link goes to wikipedia https://is.gd/Ka2Z3T

Posted by: BifBewalski @ (IJES/) - at March 05, 2022 01:36 PM (IJES/)

353 326 I'd sure like 5 minutes with that Lenin statue
Posted by: Skip
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Cough, thermite.

Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 01:37 PM (Iq9dF)

354 Enjoyed the conversations ~ thanks all!

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at March 05, 2022 01:37 PM (IDhUW)

355

My experience is almost all in W.Europe but I found English mainly in businesses with international reach or urban hospitality (hotels, restaurants).
You go out of the cities to the countryside, English knowledge drops off precipitously.
I'll bet English is even more sparse in Ukraine.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at March 05, 2022 01:34 PM (roH4R)

I found out the hard way that english isn't spoken much in Kiev either.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at March 05, 2022 01:38 PM (Fs5vw)

356 I'd sure like 5 minutes with that Lenin statue
Posted by: Skip
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Cough, thermite.
Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 01:37 PM

an F-350 and some sturdy chains could make quick work of it

Posted by: AltonJackson at March 05, 2022 01:39 PM (DUIap)

357 Probably some sort of high-level diplomatic flight, but for what specific purpose I can't guess.
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at March 05, 2022 12:55 PM (ZSK0i)
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10%

Posted by: Braenyard at March 05, 2022 01:25 PM (0cXtD)

??

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at March 05, 2022 01:40 PM (ZSK0i)

358 356

Make the head into a hood ornament a la Animal House

Posted by: Dr. Claw at March 05, 2022 01:40 PM (roH4R)

359 Posted by: BifBewalski

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Skimmed through it and bookmarked it. Did not realize that the Nike system continued to be deployed albeit overseas until the late 80's though.

Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 01:40 PM (Iq9dF)

360 an F-350 and some sturdy chains could make quick work of it

Posted by: AltonJackson
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Well yes, but thermite is more satisfying to see it in a puddle but the appeal of the symbolic action of American capitalism and consumption of the F350 taking down Lenin cannot be denied.

Lenin gets the chains of oppression treatment.

Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 01:42 PM (Iq9dF)

361 The Ottawa marchers are at the War Museum. It doesn't look like they're assembling at Parliament Hill

Posted by: kallisto at March 05, 2022 01:43 PM (DJFLF)

362 Make the head into a hood ornament a la Animal House

Posted by: Dr. Claw
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I am sure that the inscription on the base of that Lenin's statue is Lenin is Good.

Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 01:43 PM (Iq9dF)

363 10%

Posted by: Braenyard at March 05, 2022 01:25 PM (0cXtD)

??
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at March 05, 2022 01:40 PM (ZSK0i)

Oh yeah, nevermind.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at March 05, 2022 01:46 PM (ZSK0i)

364 That pictured statue looks like rock behind Lenin is attached to the bottom of the statue and one couldn't just burn through the ankles to topple it.

It would be funny to decapitate it and put a MLK head on the neck and force the CRT parrot voices to remove MLK to replace with the white guy if they wanted to restore their commie hero.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at March 05, 2022 01:46 PM (3cGpq)

365 I'm sitting in my HOA meeting.
I'm bored.

Posted by: Diogenes at March 05, 2022 01:48 PM (DyqiE)

366 Great post, KT. I consider philosophy as the leading edge of ideas. Good and mostly bad. Well, maybe religion too. But religions change slowly if at all, while ideas can change in a time blink.

Ukraine is a good example of the blink. And really so is the US. Ukraine went from a gaggle of mostly corrupt power brokers to a nation almost overnight. I saw at DM that almost 3,000 Americans have volunteered to go fight in Ukraine. And the US is 'that shining beacon on the hill', to borrow a phrase.

And so Ukraine the underdog unites much of the world against an evil tyrant, while in the US the Left is busily trying to tear us apart.

But it is ideas that drive both circumstances.

Posted by: GnuBreed at March 05, 2022 01:49 PM (F0YaR)

367 Someone posted on Ebay, probably for a lark, a Russian Tank for sale. Think it was about 400,000 or so listed price.
As you said though, shipping through a war zone would be a beyootch.
Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 01:24 PM (Iq9dF)

Yeah, need some Amazon Prime next day shipping!

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 05, 2022 01:49 PM (oHd/0)

368 Diogenes masks around?

Posted by: Skip at March 05, 2022 01:50 PM (2JoB8)

369 365 I'm sitting in my HOA meeting.
I'm bored.

Posted by: Diogenes
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You know that no one's liberty or property is safe while the HOA is meeting.

Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 01:50 PM (Iq9dF)

370 And they serve beverages or BYOB?

Posted by: Skip at March 05, 2022 01:50 PM (2JoB8)

371 yeah, i earned my army warrant rank as a warhead custodian in the nike hercules missle system.

link goes to wikipedia https://is.gd/Ka2Z3T
Posted by: BifBewalski @ (IJES/) - at March 05, 2022 01:36 PM (IJES/)

Those certification inspections were a bitch!

Posted by: Diogenes at March 05, 2022 01:50 PM (DyqiE)

372 17 people, one in a mask.

Posted by: Diogenes at March 05, 2022 01:51 PM (DyqiE)

373 Somehow doubting 3,000 Americans jumped on Aircraft to Eastern Europe.

Posted by: Skip at March 05, 2022 01:52 PM (2JoB8)

374 Yeah, need some Amazon Prime next day shipping!

Posted by: Romeo13

I bet AOP has already put in a bid on one.

Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 01:52 PM (Iq9dF)

375 Skip.
I brought my own flask.

Posted by: Diogenes at March 05, 2022 01:52 PM (DyqiE)

376 Mel Gibson and Mark Wahlberg team up to produce

"Father Stu" - inspirational movie based on true story, due for Easter release:

https://tinyurl.com/2p89srhs

Posted by: kallisto at March 05, 2022 01:54 PM (DJFLF)

377 yeah, i earned my army warrant rank as a warhead custodian in the nike hercules missle system.

link goes to wikipedia https://is.gd/Ka2Z3T
Posted by: BifBewalski
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Recently read a history of the development of same. Damned interesting, and impressive.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 05, 2022 01:55 PM (DMQdU)

378 Putin wasn't lying about there being a large number of Nazis in Ukraine.
https://tinyurl.com/yckj2s7c
Posted by: JackStraw at March 05, 2022 10:25 AM (ZLI7S)
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Dugin too is a Nazi admirer. Bad guys on both sides in this one.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at March 05, 2022 01:55 PM (ae8Of)

379 Flightradar24.com is showing a Russian flight, RSD88, heading from St. Petersburg to Dulles International. RSD88's description is "Rossiya - Special Flight Squadron".

Probably some sort of high-level diplomatic flight, but for what specific purpose I can't guess.
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at March 05, 2022 12:55 PM (ZSK0i)

The flight is coming to pick up expelled 'diplomat' type Russians, who are mostly spies. Don't worry, much of our diplomatic missions are loaded with US spies too. I think we are kicking out a dozen or so Russians.

Posted by: GnuBreed at March 05, 2022 01:58 PM (F0YaR)

380 This is a news report from Alabama

https://tinyurl.com/9zewvy7a

This gas station removes 5 or 6 Joe Biden "I did that" stickers from their gas pumps every single day

I feel kind of bad for the workers there who have to remove the things or the station might get zinged because of anti-grafitti laws, but still, you can't help but grin

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 05, 2022 01:59 PM (KZzsI)

381 Interesting - Putin gave a new policy speech (to a group of Aeroflot trainee stewardesses, oddly enough), and he was sitting next to them at a table, with everyone unmasked.

He must be getting worried - he's not doing the "keep fifty feet away from everyone" thing anymore.

https://www.youtube.com/
watch?v=xCsYXGhA_bc

Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 05, 2022 02:00 PM (I2/tG)

382 10%

Posted by: Braenyard
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Terse, yet succinct.

Possible Thread-Winner.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 05, 2022 02:00 PM (pbStR)

383 380 CRT, Hope you doing better health wise?

Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 02:01 PM (Iq9dF)

384 Dugin too is a Nazi admirer. Bad guys on both sides in this one.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at March 05, 2022 01:55 PM (ae8Of)

Bears repeating. There are no good people involved.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at March 05, 2022 02:01 PM (Wu+K7)

385 yeah, i earned my army warrant rank as a warhead custodian in the nike hercules missle system.
link goes to wikipedia https://is.gd/Ka2Z3T
Posted by: BifBewalski @ (IJES/) - at March 05, 2022 01:36 PM (IJES/)
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Those certification inspections were a bitch!
Posted by: Diogenes

wish i could have stayed in nike. i got retreaded into patriot in '87 when the last of our warheads were medevac-ed back to conus. nike was rough on our psyches, lotta suicides and depression from our ranks. patriot was worse.

Posted by: BifBewalski @ (IJES/) - at March 05, 2022 02:01 PM (IJES/)

386 Dugin too is a Nazi admirer. Bad guys on both sides in this one.

Its hard to understand in our culture but there are a lot of places around the world -- and a lot of people -- who do not really have that big a problem with Nazis, and think they were kinda cool. Not because they are huge "lets the the JOO!!!!" crazy neo nazis but just in that "They fought guys we don't like and looked badass" kind of unknowing way. The way people think Mongols are cool because they kicked ass, without knowing they were a raping, murdering machine that slaughtered millions.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 05, 2022 02:02 PM (KZzsI)

387 National Socialism wouldn't have to have racism as well, I know everyone thinks that. That Hitler brought that with him seeing racism would help his cause, not that he wasn't.

Posted by: Skip at March 05, 2022 02:03 PM (2JoB8)

388 I'm sitting in my HOA meeting.
I'm bored.
Posted by: Diogenes at March 05, 2022 01:48 PM (DyqiE)

Ours was Monday evening. Zoomed, because of DeathVirus, Low Attendance, and Security issues. To be Zoomed forever now.

Posted by: Count de Monet at March 05, 2022 02:03 PM (4I/2K)

389

I like all the Ukrainian people I've met or worked with. But their government are majorly scumbags, kleptocrats on par with Cyprus or Macau for international money laundering and dirty deal facilitation. In no way are they good guys, that is the Ukrainian government.

Posted by: My Pimp Shot My Dealer at March 05, 2022 02:03 PM (7DYli)

390 Hope you doing better health wise?

Yeah I am. Someone slipped me some Ivermectin on the sly and within a day it had killed my dragon. Shocking change. Now I am just dealing with the weakness of using all my resources just trying to fight off a disease and eating maybe one whole meal's worth of food over ten days.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 05, 2022 02:04 PM (KZzsI)

391 And from Putin's supporters at Zerohedge. [BTW, they've been like this since Crimea, eight years ago.] 1 of 2

banzzai 48 minutes ago
The Zionist Neocons have been poking the BEAR for the past 30 years. BIG MISTAKE! Now the BEAR has awoken with fury and they're all about to be mauled.

Von Hayek 1 hour ago
There is NO war in Ukraine. There is a khazarian mafia that is being rounded up and executed. These khazarian mafia pigs are the ones creating the hell on earth for the masses through their central banks and fiat currencies.

Below is a perspective on what is going on: https://www.bitchute.com/video/zM8vVo25knf6/

The info is out there. You have to want to do the research ( which amounts to searching video sites other than youtube ).

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at March 05, 2022 02:04 PM (UHVv4)

392 Somehow doubting 3,000 Americans jumped on Aircraft to Eastern Europe.

Posted by: Skip at March 05, 2022 01:52 PM (2JoB

Saw that at DM. Yeah, a fair amount of BS is probable; hell it could be Ukrainian propaganda.

But it wasn't BS when a number of US citizens went to Syria to fight for ISIS.

Posted by: GnuBreed at March 05, 2022 02:04 PM (F0YaR)

393 Recently read a history of the development of same. Damned interesting, and impressive.
Posted by: Mike Hammer

i got in on the ground floor of patriot, most of the capability you see fielded today has my fingerprints all over its performance requirements, including the last two interceptors that are fielded in the units. pac-3 and missile segment enhanced pac-3. those two are scary precise in strike angles and imparted g force on the aimpoint of the threat.

Posted by: BifBewalski @ (IJES/) - at March 05, 2022 02:04 PM (IJES/)

394 2 of 2
hestroy 1 hour ago
You're right. Ukronaziheeb Zelensky is a puppet of Ukronaziheeb Kolomoisky. All mafia bosses and oligarchs are Ukronaziheebs.

Bleubird66 1 hour ago
This!

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at March 05, 2022 02:04 PM (UHVv4)

395 Yeah I am. Someone slipped me some Ivermectin on the sly and within a day it had killed my dragon. Shocking change. Now I am just dealing with the weakness of using all my resources just trying to fight off a disease and eating maybe one whole meal's worth of food over ten days.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
Glad to hear it. Have appt with long haul Covid clinic and cardiology next week as still have issues from a January infection with Coof.

Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 02:06 PM (Iq9dF)

396 National Socialism wouldn't have to have racism as well, I know everyone thinks that.

There were a bunch of different kinds of fascism out there, with the only common thread being a desire to take ideas from the left (economics, progressive history, etc) and combine them with ideas from the right (love of tradition, family, and national identity) to create a new Third Way shaped through SCIENCE!

This usually meant abandoning the reality of faith and religion. Spain found a different blend that included faith but I am not 100% sure it was really pure fascism.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 05, 2022 02:06 PM (KZzsI)

397 Glad to hear it. Have appt with long haul Covid clinic and cardiology next week as still have issues from a January infection with Coof.

Yeah this feels like a pretty long-term project, building strength back up and getting on my feet. For now I'm just focused on trying to get as much food into me as I can manage to handle at a time, because I need the energy in a big way. Speaking of which I need to make another meal.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 05, 2022 02:08 PM (KZzsI)

398 Seven-time WNBA All-Star player Brittney Griner is being held in custody by Russian officials after she was arrested at a Moscow airport.

Vape cartridges containing hashish oil were found in her luggage at Sheremetyevo Airport after she arrived in Russia from New York, according to The New York Times.

Russian news sources said she was arrested in February. Russia's Interfax news agency said a drug-sniffing dog uncovered "so-called 'vapes'" in her luggage with the "narcotic drug cannabis oil."

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at March 05, 2022 02:08 PM (UHVv4)

399 Mrs. President Ukraine versus Putin harem is no contest though. Ukraine wins easily.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at March 05, 2022 02:09 PM (900v3)

400 reminds me, glad i spotted you here Diogenes. there is a small chance i'll be up to Tacoma this june. you and the other area Morons interested in a mini get together on one of my non working saturdays?

Posted by: BifBewalski @ (IJES/) - at March 05, 2022 02:09 PM (IJES/)

401 >>Bears repeating. There are no good people involved.

Including a fair amount of our "elites".

Posted by: JackStraw at March 05, 2022 02:10 PM (ZLI7S)

402 ' I am Jewish by birth and atheist by faith.'

Oy yay.

Didn't "Seinfeld" do as episode about his Russian aunts?

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at March 05, 2022 02:10 PM (lKAqb)

403 We've got a lot of bored/underemployed combat vets that would love to go fight, especially if it's a free-for-all on their terms, instead of with a structured unit.

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I get it. I wasn't a vet. But If I were the same young, tough, gunned-up, directionless kid I was at 22 or 24, I'd probably go. Not because I Stand With Ukraine, or think they could possibly win, but because it sounds fun to be a soldier of misfortune.

If you're a combat vet with the applicable skills, why not? It's not as if this country has anything to offer a young guy, particularly a veteran. Just go for the adventure, right?

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 05, 2022 02:11 PM (SKVme)

404 They tried pushing Trumps MAGA as a Nationalism and equating it as the racism that most must think goes along, of course CRT is playing right along as well.

Posted by: Skip at March 05, 2022 02:11 PM (2JoB8)

405 I mentioned this yesterday but there is no small amount of veiled anti semitism involved in hostility toward Americans of Russian ancestry. MANY Russians who fled to America were Jews. Some were old believers, but only a small very distinct percentage that still pretty well hold to their communities.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 05, 2022 02:12 PM (KZzsI)

406 How many American Communists went to Spain to fight for the "Republicans?"

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at March 05, 2022 02:13 PM (lKAqb)

407 If you're a combat vet with the applicable skills, why not? It's not as if this country has anything to offer a young guy, particularly a veteran. Just go for the adventure, right?

I would think anyone with actual combat experience would know better than to think of war (especially this kind of chaotic largely leaderless war) is no adventure but I mean. My brother was divorced twice and got married again so some men you just can't reach.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 05, 2022 02:14 PM (KZzsI)

408 You could probably have scraped up 3,000 Ukrainian volunteers in Cleveland alone.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at March 05, 2022 02:15 PM (900v3)

409 Twice divorced is not the same as combat. So you fucked up an married the wrong woman. Twice. And then you learn from your mistakes and find the One.

Anyone who wants combat is a seriously fucked up dude.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at March 05, 2022 02:19 PM (lKAqb)

410 >>I mentioned this yesterday but there is no small amount of veiled anti semitism involved in hostility toward Americans of Russian ancestry. MANY Russians who fled to America were Jews. Some were old believers, but only a small very distinct percentage that still pretty well hold to their communities.

Take a stroll through Little Odessa in Brooklyn, NY. You will hear Russian more than English.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 05, 2022 02:21 PM (ZLI7S)

411 398 Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at March 05, 2022 02:08 PM (UHVv4)

Crazy you mean teeing off on Russian civilians and their assets exposes westerners to the same crap from Ivan?

"Reciprocity, it's what's for dinner."

Posted by: sven at March 05, 2022 02:21 PM (Lzpvj)

412 410 Posted by: JackStraw at March 05, 2022 02:21 PM (ZLI7S)

Multiple neighborhoods in Alaska speak older Russian than the Russians just like Quebec has older French in spots than France.

Posted by: sven at March 05, 2022 02:22 PM (Lzpvj)

413 I would think anyone with actual combat experience would know better than to think of war (especially this kind of chaotic largely leaderless war) is no adventure but I mean.

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America's mercenary armies are all staffed by similar people. Chaotic, morally ambiguous conflicts with little or no coherent leadership are the American way of war. At least in Ukraine, there's an infinitesimal chance of achieving victory. More than they got here.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 05, 2022 02:22 PM (SKVme)

414 Didn't "Seinfeld" do as episode about his Russian aunts?
Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at March 05, 2022 02:10 PM (lKAqb)

Let me understand, you got the hen, the chicken and the rooster. The rooster goes with the chicken. So, who's having sex with the hen?

Posted by: Frank Costanza at March 05, 2022 02:23 PM (R/m4+)

415 "English is prevalent everywhere."

Everyone please to get from street!

Posted by: gourmand du jour at March 05, 2022 02:24 PM (jTmQV)

416 >>Multiple neighborhoods in Alaska speak older Russian than the Russians just like Quebec has older French in spots than France.

I found the French in Paris more willing to put up with my attempts at broken French than the French Canadians in Quebec City.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 05, 2022 02:25 PM (ZLI7S)

417 416 Posted by: JackStraw at March 05, 2022 02:25 PM (ZLI7S)

A lot like the opium epidemic here in America the US carries the tally sheet for a lot of English crimes.

The Quebecers have a chip on their shoulders the size of New France's former holdings and their pique lands on us.

Posted by: sven at March 05, 2022 02:26 PM (Lzpvj)

418 America's mercenary armies are all staffed by similar people. Chaotic, morally ambiguous conflicts with little or no coherent leadership are the American way of war. At least in Ukraine, there's an infinitesimal chance of achieving victory. More than they got here.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 05, 2022 02:22 PM (SKVme)

Possibly. But y'all are missing my main point, of which Americans signing up to fight in Ukraine was a case in support of. Three weeks ago, not one of these sign ups had ever entertained even a thought of moving to Ukraine for any reason.

They like 'the idea'. A cause, if you will. A purpose outside of themselves. Like the Karens in a way.

Posted by: GnuBreed at March 05, 2022 02:27 PM (F0YaR)

419 I need the energy in a big way. Speaking of which I need to make another meal.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
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Same thing here. During a month in bed-ridden rehab, I lost a *lot* of weight, and I didn't have much to lose, so confined to bed, and no appetite, most of loss was muscle. I'm struggling to regain both, it's not as easy as some folk might think.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 05, 2022 02:28 PM (1vynn)

420 I found the French in Paris more willing to put up with my attempts at broken French than the French Canadians in Quebec City.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 05, 2022 02:25 PM (ZLI7S

It's funny because the French treat the Quebecois with open contempt, and are clear on the point that they are as French as a can of fried onions. They are more sympathetic to Francophone Algerians, fercrissakes.

Yet the Quebecois are so proud to be """"French.""" It's very weird.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 05, 2022 02:30 PM (SKVme)

421 >>The Quebecers have a chip on their shoulders the size of New France's former holdings and their pique lands on us.

Sadly, their ball hammock wearing asses land on our beaches every summer. Seeing some fat French speaking Canadian strolling on the beach with his package hanging out while I'm bikini hunting can spoil a whole afternoon.

Put some pants on, Pierre.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 05, 2022 02:33 PM (ZLI7S)

422 They like 'the idea'. A cause, if you will. A purpose outside of themselves. Like the Karens in a way.
Posted by: GnuBreed
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"And the Ukraine girls really knock me out"

Posted by: Braenyard at March 05, 2022 02:35 PM (0cXtD)

423 And then you learn from your mistakes and find the One.

Or, if you're my brother, you find a worse one each time then the last one feeds you until you turn into a 800 pound blob and your heart explodes.

But I agree, someone who actively loves and hunts down combat is a mess in some way.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 05, 2022 02:36 PM (KZzsI)

424 The flight is coming to pick up expelled 'diplomat' type Russians, who are mostly spies. Don't worry, much of our diplomatic missions are loaded with US spies too. I think we are kicking out a dozen or so Russians.
Posted by: GnuBreed at March 05, 2022 01:58 PM (F0YaR)

I should have figured.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at March 05, 2022 02:37 PM (ZSK0i)

425 Braenyard you asked for it
Women Warriors of the world, Ukraine edition
https://tinyurl.com/ynw3hfet

Lots of hotties

Posted by: Skip at March 05, 2022 02:38 PM (2JoB8)

426 Have appt with long haul Covid clinic and cardiology next week as still have issues from a January infection with Coof.

How is that going? What kind of treatment or regimen do they have you on?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 05, 2022 02:39 PM (KZzsI)

427 They like 'the idea'. A cause, if you will. A purpose outside of themselves. Like the Karens in a way.
Posted by: GnuBreed at March 05, 2022 02:27 PM (F0YaR)

Yeah I'm sure there's a component of that as well. But I'd have to file this mindset under "that's retarded, sir."

Combat is a constant, and if it's all you know, I can see why you'd be drawn in, for the money, or the the love of the game, to any number of hot spots around the globe.

But if you volunteered to trundle around the Middle East or Central Asia for several years, for nothing more than the good ol' Red, White & Blue, I'd hope you'd learned your lesson about ideological horseshit by the time you get out.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 05, 2022 02:40 PM (SKVme)

428 Women Warriors of the world, Ukraine edition
https://tinyurl.com/ynw3hfet

Lots of hotties
Posted by: Skip
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There we go

Posted by: Braenyard at March 05, 2022 02:40 PM (0cXtD)

429 The real change will not happen in Ukraine, but in the rest of the world. US and EU weaponized the banking system... and now have shown their willingness to use that power even in something that is not a major National Interest.

China, India, Russia, and the Middle East are all watching the blatant THEFT of Russian assets, even those not belonging to the Government itself... even as they watch the US continue to buy oil?

Add in the US companies who have reneged on contracts with Russia (oil companies, Internet backbone) in very public manners... and I can see the trust needed for a modern multinational economy being eroded rapidly.

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 05, 2022 02:43 PM (oHd/0)

430 Young Urkranian girls, no lie. Some of the most beautiful women walking the earth.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 05, 2022 02:43 PM (KZzsI)

431 How is that going? What kind of treatment or regimen do they have you on?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
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Had two post Coof infections--sinus and then bacterial pneumonia so a lot of antibiotic course--last was two weeks of levaquin (advise not taking it unless you really need that--can cause ligament problems after). Steroids including initial shot and tapering dose. Inhalers and last is a saline rinse with steroids and antibiotics for sinuses.

Having severe unpredictable blood pressure spikes possibly due to post coof blockage somewhere so take bp medicine when spiking above 165 systolic or 95 diastolic and on baby aspirin. Still on leave from work.

Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 02:45 PM (Iq9dF)

432 But if you volunteered to trundle around the Middle East or Central Asia for several years, for nothing more than the good ol' Red, White & Blue, I'd hope you'd learned your lesson about ideological horseshit by the time you get out.

Every single combat vet I have ever read, talked to, or heard about says the same thing. Combat is not about the ideal, or the goal, or the side you're on, its about the guys at your sides.

And yeah, I can see how that can appeal. The raw masculinity of it, the challenge that pushes you beyond, the conquering real threats, the accomplishment of goals beyond having filled out that TPS report. I get it. Just not enough to actually get out and go through that again.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 05, 2022 02:45 PM (KZzsI)

433 Oh, I forgot, saw my ENT for and was informed that the Coof has caused balance issues and headaches from swelling the Eustachian tubes which affects inner ear fluid dispersion. Made sense as I have to clear my ears walking from one room to another sometimes. It can also cause hearing loss apparently.

The saline rinse is to prevent sinus infections from the inflammation coof can leave there.

Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 02:50 PM (Iq9dF)

434 Hope you are feeling better, whig.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at March 05, 2022 02:52 PM (Wu+K7)

435 Thought there would be more blonde Women Warriors of the Ukraine.

Posted by: Braenyard at March 05, 2022 02:53 PM (0cXtD)

436 Sounds like you got hammered pretty bad whig. I hope all this really makes a difference and gets you walking straight again.

I have noticed balance issues, but I think that's mostly from being horizontal for almost 2 weeks and being so weak and hungry.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 05, 2022 02:55 PM (KZzsI)

437 The saline rinse is to prevent sinus infections from the inflammation coof can leave there.
Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 02:50 PM (Iq9dF)
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If you don't have pierced or busted ear drums pour, you must tilt your head sideways, distilled white vinegar into your ear.

Then pull the earlobe and work around the outer edge of the ear lobe to top tugging gently.

Posted by: Braenyard at March 05, 2022 02:57 PM (0cXtD)

438 434 Hope you are feeling better, whig.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory

Thx, good days and bad days. Yesterday was a bad day. Today is better. I had Coof in Jan 21 and long haul covid that time as well and was vaxxed with J&J because my rheumatologist believed it might cure the long covid. It did but they came back after 2 months after vaxx.

Have autoimmune issues prior to all this which makes me susceptible plus wife has a job among the public and has brought it home both times.

CRT, watch for post covid related infections and bp spikes either low or high. I will find out more from my cardiologist but this disease affects the blood system including pulmonary and sometimes the nervous system.

Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 03:00 PM (Iq9dF)

439 Communism is easy to spread to the uneducated (and by that I mean educated millennials). You get free stuff someone else pays for it you chill out playing video games all day. How can you say no?

--

Every election cycle I see clips from some democrap town hall meeting and someone from the crowd will be asking stuff like: "how am I supposed to pay my rent", "how am I supposed to pay for school", "how am I supposed to pay for...". The politician always promises to pay for or subsidize basically everything. they are buying votes with your money.

I keep hoping that at one of these things someone will yell out from the back "how about you get a fucking job"

Posted by: Fact Checkers Say at March 05, 2022 03:01 PM (h1jJh)

440 PET NOOD

Posted by: Skip guy who says NOOD at March 05, 2022 03:01 PM (2JoB8)

441 Being related to some combat vets, they talk about their experiences. To hear them describe it, combat is a huge adrenaline rush.
Not entirely pleasant, but some miss it later.
Confederate general Rob't. Lee is quoted
"It is good that war is so terrible, lest we grow fond of it."

Posted by: gourmand du jour at March 05, 2022 03:01 PM (jTmQV)

442 If you don't have pierced or busted ear drums pour, you must tilt your head sideways, distilled white vinegar into your ear.

Then pull the earlobe and work around the outer edge of the ear lobe to top tugging gently.

Posted by: Braenyard
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Interesting, acetic acid is a disinfectant so I will run it by my ENT.

Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 03:02 PM (Iq9dF)

443 There are some dolls in that Ukrainian Warriors edition

Posted by: Skip at March 05, 2022 03:02 PM (2JoB8)

444 I have a blockage in my parotid and suffered frequent severe infections. My ENT was ready to take it out - as soon as the infection went away.

I tried the vinegar and it cleared.
It is now part of my morning routine.

Posted by: Braenyard at March 05, 2022 03:02 PM (0cXtD)

445 Brittney Griner, the WNBA player from Baylor arrested in Russia for mj vape cartridges. How stupid do,you have to be to carry drugs in Russia with an American passport? Wonder what Biden will trade for her release?

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at March 05, 2022 03:02 PM (oWBc3)

446 I keep hoping that at one of these things someone will yell out from the back "how about you get a fucking job"

Posted by: Fact Checkers Say
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They don't teach Aesop's Fables anymore but the ant and the grasshopper story pretty clearly explains that to young'uns.

Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 03:03 PM (Iq9dF)

447 I tried the vinegar and it cleared.
It is now part of my morning routine.

Posted by: Braenyard
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Wow, thanks Braenyard. I much prefer vinegar treatment to surgery.

Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 03:04 PM (Iq9dF)

448 Hands of the sniper are delicate.

Posted by: Braenyard at March 05, 2022 03:04 PM (0cXtD)

449 How stupid do,you have to be to carry drugs in Russia with an American passport? Wonder what Biden will trade for her release?
Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at March 05, 2022 03:02 PM (oWBc3)

Real fuckin' stupid.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 05, 2022 03:06 PM (SKVme)

450 You can't make this up, NY Governor warns against bullying people who still mask. Hey, forget how you were treated the last two years pens.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at March 05, 2022 03:06 PM (oWBc3)

451 This is one of the meatiest threads I've read here. I've been so deep into the outraged content my readiness to comment has been compromised. Excellent work!

I will point out the absurdity of one of "The Demons," the engineer Kirillov, who intends to kill himself on general principle, as his nihilism cannot find its way to finding life worthwhile beyond human will, and killing himself willing the abnegation of values. Yet, he agrees to hold off on his suicide, in order to do so in a way that will the revolutionary cause. With the usual gratitude of a socialist revolutionaries, the demons set him up to take the fall for one of their murders.

Dreamy leftists, always falling for the pretense of good will.

Posted by: Brett at March 05, 2022 03:09 PM (sgJMJ)

452 7 If you're a combat vet with the applicable skills, why not? It's not as if this country has anything to offer a young guy, particularly a veteran. Just go for the adventure, right?

I would think anyone with actual combat experience would know better than to think of war (especially this kind of chaotic largely leaderless war) is no adventure but I mean. My brother was divorced twice and got married again so some men you just can't reach.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 05, 2022 02:14 PM (KZzsI)
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The American military succeeds on the battlefield (not so much evacuations) because they fight as a Team. Anyone going to Ukraine had better find a really good team to join. Otherwise it will be suicide.

Posted by: Diogenes at March 05, 2022 03:10 PM (axyOa)

453 Proofreading is my friend.

A comma after the second "himself," and "*aid* the revolutionary cause. Sorry about that.

Posted by: Brett at March 05, 2022 03:12 PM (sgJMJ)

454 Communism is easy to spread. To everyone that never heard of the Ten Commandments and the one "thou shalt not steal."

Communism has always been about stealing.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at March 05, 2022 03:16 PM (lKAqb)

455 Zelenskyy could have flown out via Biden Airways before the invasion. Would Ukraine have fought like this had he accepted the taxi and parting cash? Would it have saved them this destruction, made it worse, or would nothing have changed?

Posted by: CN The First at March 05, 2022 03:18 PM (ONvIw)

456 It bothers me to no end to see the comments from the UK and EU countries that NATO owes the Ukranians. They, of course mean, the US will do all the heavy lifting and take the heat. Fuck these deadbeat NATO "allies"

Posted by: CN The First at March 05, 2022 03:21 PM (ONvIw)

457 It's easy to preach your failing is because others have power or advantages you don't have or ever will.

Posted by: Skip at March 05, 2022 03:30 PM (2JoB8)

458 Add in the US companies who have reneged on contracts with Russia (oil companies, Internet backbone) in very public manners... and I can see the trust needed for a modern multinational economy being eroded rapidly.
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 05, 2022 02:43 PM (oHd/0)

Yet, that was to prevent all conflict? Pretty silly. In our case we knee-capped ourselves with China. Biden screwed up energy on purpose, and here we are.

Posted by: CN The First at March 05, 2022 03:39 PM (ONvIw)

459 It bothers me to no end to see the comments from the UK and EU countries that NATO owes the Ukranians. They, of course mean, the US will do all the heavy lifting and take the heat. Fuck these deadbeat NATO "allies"
Posted by: CN The First at March 05, 2022 03:21 PM (ONvIw)

NATO should have been terminated with the fall of the Berlin wall but like all bureaucracies it never goes away

Posted by: Captain Hate won't forget Michael Byrd Murdered Ashli Babbitt at March 05, 2022 03:43 PM (y7DUB)

460 "Zelenskyy could have flown out via Biden Airways before the invasion. Would Ukraine have fought like this had he accepted the taxi and parting cash? Would it have saved them this destruction, made it worse, or would nothing have changed?"

good question. it kinda seems like Biden (or DeepState actually) wanted the war. They also view from above and move around the pieces in their favor.

Or maybe US figured Zelensky would take the ticket out, and offer Russia half of Ukraine? idk, seems demilitarization of West Ukraine was non-negotiable for Putin ...

and now there are massive war crimes and civilians dead, seems like apartment buildings hit hard, many of them. ... NATO (European part) now arms up more, Russia gets hit hard with sanctions ... who knows what the inner sanctum of the Pentagon is actually diabolically planning.

Posted by: illiniwek at March 05, 2022 03:48 PM (Cus5s)

461 China, India, Russia, and the Middle East are all watching the blatant THEFT of Russian assets, even those not belonging to the Government itself... even as they watch the US continue to buy oil?

Don't forget the lesson that in a conflict you first target the other nation's oligarchs. I suspect sooner or later, the DC/WEF crowd will come to regret that precedent.

Posted by: Methos at March 05, 2022 03:49 PM (kOpft)

462 Someone posted on Ebay, probably for a lark, a Russian Tank for sale. Think it was about 400,000 or so listed price.
As you said though, shipping through a war zone would be a beyootch.
Posted by: whig at March 05, 2022 01:24 PM (Iq9dF)

Facebook and Twitter both blacklisted in Russia. Twitter and FBook already banned in China.

If India joins... and with them pissing off Conservatives in the West... that's a lot of damn potential customers.

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 05, 2022 03:53 PM (oHd/0)

463
and now there are massive war crimes and civilians dead, seems like apartment buildings hit hard, many of them. ... NATO (European part) now arms up more, Russia gets hit hard with sanctions ... who knows what the inner sanctum of the Pentagon is actually diabolically planning.
Posted by: illiniwek at March 05, 2022 03:48 PM (Cus5s)

I think they planned another Afghanistan, with Taiwan to follow. They signaled that Zelenskyy would jet off to wherever, and Purin prepared to walk in with minimal resistance. I am also suspicious of the "neo-nazi" group in Ukraine that the CIA has been nurturing. Were they to be the trip wire to justify Putin and allow him to install his own Biden? There is nothing about this that passes any sort of smell test, it all seems incongruent with the reality.

Posted by: CN The First at March 05, 2022 03:56 PM (ONvIw)

464 If India joins... and with them pissing off Conservatives in the West... that's a lot of damn potential customers.
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 05, 2022 03:53 PM (oHd/0)

I'd love to see Zuck crash and burn

Posted by: CN The First at March 05, 2022 03:56 PM (ONvIw)

465 NATO should have been terminated with the fall of the Berlin wall but like all bureaucracies it never goes away
Posted by: Captain Hate won't forget Michael Byrd Murdered Ashli Babbitt at March 05, 2022 03:43 PM (y7DUB)

Yes! Now we have a lot of tough talking assholes in Europe and Canada, hiding behind us calling for war.

Posted by: CN The First at March 05, 2022 03:57 PM (ONvIw)

466 I'm watching a movie made in about 2015 about Ukraine. Seems like a good documentary.
"Breaking Point"

Posted by: gourmand du jour at March 05, 2022 03:58 PM (jTmQV)

467 The term war crime gets thrown around far too loosely here and other places.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at March 05, 2022 04:09 PM (oWBc3)

468 FML I went to top off my half tank and the discount club while it was $3.89 (up 10 cents from yesterday) has the sign:
NO REGULAR GAS
PREMIUM ONLY

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at March 05, 2022 04:10 PM (lCui1)

469 �The term war crime gets thrown around far too loosely here and other places.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at

Wtf

Posted by: Everyone is Hitler at March 05, 2022 04:18 PM (ujbKy)

470 vmom so supply issues as well, could be cost is hard to keep up and station ran out.

Posted by: Skip at March 05, 2022 04:24 PM (2JoB8)

471 So, in effect, the dictatorship of the proletariat, imposed by force, is no less than creating a new nobility with its own set of rules for behavior and a new collection of serfs--often bound to their job and location due to their new Communist party nomenklatura.

==

yes, that is what happened in the USSR. China is an interesting one, somehow it melds nomenklatura, 5 year plans and central planning with entrepreneurship and explosion of the middle class. Perhaps the reason is because it is similar to what China historically had ? Just under a different name?
Posted by: runner at March 05, 2022 11:40 AM (V13WU)

This is an illusion - this explosion of the middle class is a tiny island on the sea of the poor Chinese rural population, so for all practical purposes part of the elite. And for the last years, the CCP has been pulling the choke chain on the freedoms this group had assumed and reasserting party control. It remains to be seen if they can assert rule or be evicted by a 'middle class' revolt, or if all of them go down to a rising by the true poor who are left out of most of this change.

Posted by: Oldcat at March 05, 2022 04:25 PM (eoQWY)

472 "Zelenskyy could have flown out via Biden Airways before the invasion. Would Ukraine have fought like this had he accepted the taxi and parting cash? Would it have saved them this destruction, made it worse, or would nothing have changed?"

good question. it kinda seems like Biden (or DeepState actually) wanted the war. They also view from above and move around the pieces in their favor.

Or maybe US figured Zelensky would take the ticket out, and offer Russia half of Ukraine? idk, seems demilitarization of West Ukraine was non-negotiable for Putin ...

and now there are massive war crimes and civilians dead, seems like apartment buildings hit hard, many of them. ... NATO (European part) now arms up more, Russia gets hit hard with sanctions ... who knows what the inner sanctum of the Pentagon is actually diabolically planning.
Posted by: illiniwek at March 05, 2022 03:48 PM (Cus5s)

Zelensky is taking marching orders from his deep state and ours. It hasn't affected much except for the fake news shows so far. The invasion moves on schedule with little hindrance from the static Ukranian army.

Posted by: Oldcat at March 05, 2022 04:27 PM (eoQWY)

473 The American military succeeds on the battlefield (not so much evacuations) because they fight as a Team. Anyone going to Ukraine had better find a really good team to join. Otherwise it will be suicide.
Posted by: Diogenes at March 05, 2022 03:10 PM (axyOa)

And it better be a sanctioned team. Civilians popping off at soldiers is an actual war crime, in all conventions I know of.

Posted by: Oldcat at March 05, 2022 04:30 PM (eoQWY)

474 >>vmom so supply issues as well, could be cost is hard to keep up and station ran out.
Posted by: Skip

That does happen. Also, some companies have a shortage of drivers, which means you really have to be on top of tank levels. At times like these when prices are changing so fast, it's difficult to keep up

Posted by: My Life is Insanity at March 05, 2022 04:35 PM (Z/jzm)

475 470 vmom so supply issues as well, could be cost is hard to keep up and station ran out.
Posted by: Skip

I saw a fuel truck I checked online and they have the price as $3.98 effective 8 pm today.
So I guess they maybe have regular but are just pricing it up

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at March 05, 2022 04:38 PM (lCui1)

476 Posted by: Oldcat at March 05, 2022 04:27 PM (eoQWY)

So, the US declassified lists of weapon systems they have been sending to Ukraine for months.

You send secret weapons if you want to cause casualties.

You send PUBLIC weapon systems if you want to deter an attack.

Pretty clear what we did there.

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 05, 2022 04:38 PM (oHd/0)

477 > I saw a fuel truck

I saw a fuel truck delivering

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at March 05, 2022 04:39 PM (lCui1)

478 Zelensky is taking marching orders from his deep state and ours. It hasn't affected much except for the fake news shows so far. The invasion moves on schedule with little hindrance from the static Ukranian army.
Posted by: Oldcat at March 05, 2022 04:27 PM (eoQWY)

I have no idea if he's taking orders from his oligarchs or ours, but every time he calls us "weak" or "cowards", I increase in my dislike for him. I'm not even sure it was admirable for him to "stay and fight".

Posted by: CN The First at March 05, 2022 04:46 PM (ONvIw)

479 You send PUBLIC weapon systems if you want to deter an attack.

Pretty clear what we did there.
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 05, 2022 04:38 PM (oHd/0)

Maybe you can explain what you mean. The whole thing is starting to stink

Posted by: CN The First at March 05, 2022 04:48 PM (ONvIw)

480 >>I saw a fuel truck I checked online and they have the price as $3.98 effective 8 pm today.
So I guess they maybe have regular but are just pricing it up
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at March 05, 2022 04:38 PM (lCui1)

The price changes happen when a load comes in. At place I work, our cost jumped 35 cents a gallon. Owner upped the price to just our cost for now because to raise it more than that in a day is never good. Obviously that can't hold for long. By our next load tomorrow it will need to go up.

Posted by: My Life is Insanity at March 05, 2022 04:48 PM (Z/jzm)

481 Civilians firing at troops are subject to whatever their captors feel like punishment should be. They may not get treated as POWs

Posted by: Skip at March 05, 2022 04:50 PM (2JoB8)

482 The price changes happen when a load comes in. At place I work, our cost jumped 35 cents a gallon. Owner upped the price to just our cost for now because to raise it more than that in a day is never good. Obviously that can't hold for long. By our next load tomorrow it will need to go up.
Posted by: My Life is Insanity at March 05, 2022 04:48 PM (Z/jzm)

In Wisconsin we have a law the station must have a certain mark up from cost. I want to say 6%? On the same topic, I just filled up and we have the opposite problem as vmom, only regular, no premium.

Posted by: lowandslow at March 05, 2022 04:53 PM (4thlk)

483 Now I'm reading there's long gas lines in CA today, boy this is Jimmy Carter 2.0.

Posted by: lowandslow at March 05, 2022 04:55 PM (4thlk)

484 My truck holds 30some gallons and as get some cost off at grocery store station I often wait to get there. But should start filling every few days.

Posted by: Skip at March 05, 2022 04:58 PM (2JoB8)

485 Hobby Thread NOOD

Posted by: Skip guy who says NOOD at March 05, 2022 05:01 PM (2JoB8)

486 Bring gas cans to fill Skip, to get your grocery store incentive/gallon limit. It's common practice around here

Posted by: My Life is Insanity at March 05, 2022 05:02 PM (Z/jzm)

487 Lexington, Concord.
The USA was born with civilians firing on soldiers.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at March 05, 2022 05:06 PM (jTmQV)

488 B52s flying over Poland on exercises. WTAF.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at March 05, 2022 05:38 PM (oWBc3)

489 I'm not sure the point of 487. As long as civilians understand the consequences of their actions, so be it. The whole question of war crimes is murky in urban settings. God knows the US has issues if the edge is too fine.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at March 05, 2022 05:42 PM (oWBc3)

490 488 B52s flying over Poland on exercises. WTAF.
**

I was wondering if the news coverage in Poland of the Russia/Ukraine war is more accurate than elsewhere?

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at March 05, 2022 05:47 PM (lCui1)

491 https://tinyurl.com/55zcs9y8

McCain and Lindsey with Azov battalion telling Ukraine that
2017 would be the year of action!

Lindsey and Meggie Moo's dad were planning this for some time

Posted by: CN The First at March 05, 2022 05:47 PM (ONvIw)

492 Visa and Mastercard just cut services to Russia.

So, did OUR government ask them to? One of the defining characteristics of Fascism was the cooperation between business, and Government, to forward the interests of the states.

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 05, 2022 06:47 PM (oHd/0)

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