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Whither mRNA? [Muldoon]
Pfizer states they are "committed to treating 225M people with breakthrough treatments by 2025." Some of these will be mRNA based therapeutics. For example, Pfizer has an mRNA based influenza vaccine currently in Phase 1 trials (PF-07252220). The potential applications for mRNA therapeutics are numerous and potentially involve large groups of patients and therefore are likely to be lucrative. As Joe Biden might say, "This is a big (expletive) deal!"
Pharmaceutical companies play it close to the vest regarding products in the pipeline, particularly regarding the delivery mechanism (lipid nanoparticles et al.). The various players in the mRNA technology field are prepping the battle space for proprietary rights and scrambling to position themselves for a vast new market. As expressed by patent lawyer Dan Shores in April 2021 in The mRNA Patent and Competitive Landscape, regarding proprietary rights, patent infringement and licensing of technical processes:"Expect to see more strategic validity challenges to be filed as the commercial mRNA markets develop, especially since invalidity proceedings like IPRs are relatively inexpensive to pursue (e.g., estimated hundreds of thousands of dollars vs. district court litigations which could cost millions of dollars), while potentially yielding huge upside with respect to freedom to operate, depending on the markets involved."In a sense, the development of the Pfizer/BIONTech and the Moderna/AstraZeneca mRNA COVID vaccines was a boon to those companies beyond any immediate financial gain. The stated medical imperative of the pandemic led to fast tracking of the regulatory process due to the stated emergency nature of COVID. In terms of future drug development, this also acted as a "proof of concept" to help speed FDA approval of future products that use the same technology. From Pfizer's Chief Development Officer and Executive VP Rod Mackenzie in September 2020. Other diseases deserve the same [regulatory] acceleration as COVID-19 Hence, Mackenzie, in shifting from a medical imperative to a moral imperative to justify fast tracking virtually all new meds, comes pretty close to echoing "never let a crisis go to waste." He added that the level of preparedness needed to successfully carry out a rapid pharmaceutical response to a future medical crisis is a ...
...very expensive proposition that requires a huge commitment of governments, particularly, because they will be the ones to coordinate all this and then ultimately taxpayers would have to fund it.[emphasis added]
There is no doubt that mRNA technology, while promising, remains in its infancy. Will it lead to major breakthroughs in disease treatment or will its promise remain unfulfilled? While justifiable criticism has been directed at the FDA, for a slow, costly and complicated approval process, prudence would dictate a measured approach for an emerging technology rather than a "full speed ahead" philosophy, especially when the entities advocating for fast-tracking stand to reap tremendous profits. The regulatory state and mega pharmaceutical companies make for an odd and potentially dangerous marriage, with the implication that taxpayers may be on the hook financially and individual patients may pay a price medically in the event of unforeseen late sequelae. This question must be asked: Do Pfizer and Moderna have a financial incentive to downplay (or even perhaps seek to censor) reports of adverse effects while simultaneously talking up the efficacy of their vaccines? The answer seems apparent, and the ramifications go well beyond COVID-19.
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Good afternoon
Posted by: Skip at February 06, 2022 12:01 PM (2JoB8)
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Good afternoon - thanks Muldoon!
Posted by: Tonypete at February 06, 2022 12:02 PM (mD/uy)
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All I want to know is whom i'm going to sue.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at February 06, 2022 12:04 PM (EZebt)
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Whispers:
Posted by: Mr Gaga at February 06, 2022 12:04 PM (KiBMU)
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Afternoon.
Posted by: Robert at February 06, 2022 12:04 PM (JCMCn)
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What could possibly go wrong?
Posted by: Indignacio Vindicatorem at February 06, 2022 12:05 PM (oWBc3)
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AOS should be all monkeys, all the time.
Posted by: Robert at February 06, 2022 12:05 PM (JCMCn)
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Well written.
We know the answer.
We know the answer.
Posted by: MkY at February 06, 2022 12:06 PM (cPGH3)
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Muldoon, this is quite a timely essay. There were supposedly procedural and regulatory safeguards in place.
I presume those were as casually tossed aside as platitudes such as My Body, My Choice.
I presume those were as casually tossed aside as platitudes such as My Body, My Choice.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at February 06, 2022 12:06 PM (EZebt)
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Either people are reading the content (amateurs) or it's much too smart for pithy replies.
Posted by: Robert at February 06, 2022 12:07 PM (JCMCn)
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Darn. Read the content, then saw zero comments.
I have always been skeptical of a coronavirus vaccine because those viruses mutate so quickly. I'm left now trying to discern whether the blood clot risk (my second and very long-term issue with these shots) is more from the nature of the disease they are supposedly going to prevent or from the mRNA technology itself. I'm going to be kinda hard to convince that this technology applied to a different disease won't have clot risks, and as someone with a predisposition and history of DVT, my life is structured to avoid clots like the real plague.
I have always been skeptical of a coronavirus vaccine because those viruses mutate so quickly. I'm left now trying to discern whether the blood clot risk (my second and very long-term issue with these shots) is more from the nature of the disease they are supposedly going to prevent or from the mRNA technology itself. I'm going to be kinda hard to convince that this technology applied to a different disease won't have clot risks, and as someone with a predisposition and history of DVT, my life is structured to avoid clots like the real plague.
Posted by: Catherine at February 06, 2022 12:07 PM (ZSsrh)
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I think it might have some promise, after about 20 more years of very carefully monitored experimental trials.
Posted by: Tom Servo at February 06, 2022 12:07 PM (evAgx)
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Medicine is way above my head for the most part even if living with someone who has a great more knowledge.
Not getting but reading it's happening that people are dropping dead within 2 days of getting this Jab. And Doctors McCullough and Malone warn of future issues of blood and heart issues.
Not getting but reading it's happening that people are dropping dead within 2 days of getting this Jab. And Doctors McCullough and Malone warn of future issues of blood and heart issues.
Posted by: Skip at February 06, 2022 12:07 PM (2JoB8)
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"...fast tracking of the regulatory process"
"regulatory acceleration"
"regulatory acceleration"
Posted by: San Franpsycho at February 06, 2022 12:08 PM (EZebt)
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The problem with the mRNA approach is that it is specific to the virus, if it evolves into a "variant" the mRNA doesn't change. Your own immune system has the ability to update itself when it sees a new variant.
So if you are relying on your own immune system you will never need boosters. A healthy immune system will take care of it. If you don't rely on your own body, you will need boosters for the rest of your life to keep up with the variants.
PS: One of the things you are never told is that many of the newer pharmaceuticals for everything from arthritis to diabetes to depression do affect your immune systems. Big Pharma knows this, but they aren't talking.
So if you are relying on your own immune system you will never need boosters. A healthy immune system will take care of it. If you don't rely on your own body, you will need boosters for the rest of your life to keep up with the variants.
PS: One of the things you are never told is that many of the newer pharmaceuticals for everything from arthritis to diabetes to depression do affect your immune systems. Big Pharma knows this, but they aren't talking.
Posted by: CTim Bo at February 06, 2022 12:09 PM (GXrTQ)
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WE must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the regulatory pharmaceutical complex.
WE must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the regulatory pharmaceutical complex.
Posted by: DB at February 06, 2022 12:09 PM (geLO8)
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Do mRNA vaccines cause your body's cells to produce things they otherwise wouldn't produce.
Isn't that basically what a virus does anyway?
Isn't that basically what a virus does anyway?
Posted by: Robert at February 06, 2022 12:09 PM (JCMCn)
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A simple question I have is, if the 'vid was engineered we have already altered some sort of natural evolutionary process for it, and now these vaccines are essentially have the same effect - altering how it modifies itself. Did we get lucky that it seemed to follow a normal pattern to less dangerous or does history show again and again how nature points out the folly of man?
Posted by: Indignacio Vindicatorem at February 06, 2022 12:10 PM (oWBc3)
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Another quote from the MacKenzie article, regarding fast-tracking:
At the same time, MacKenzie said, it raises the question: "Why just COVID-19, because there are so many other people in dire need from other serious diseases. It is not that their conditions are any less deserving or their needs any less urgent."
Since when is that the purview of the federal government?
At the same time, MacKenzie said, it raises the question: "Why just COVID-19, because there are so many other people in dire need from other serious diseases. It is not that their conditions are any less deserving or their needs any less urgent."
Since when is that the purview of the federal government?
Posted by: Muldoon at February 06, 2022 12:11 PM (m45I2)
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The guy who invented the mRNA process is on record stating it is/was not an appropriate to use it for covid. Good enough for me.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at February 06, 2022 12:13 PM (bVYXr)
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mRNA sounds like an excellent idea. In theory. In practice, the insistence on multiple doses is deeply troubling. At absolute best, the antigens produced by such vaccines aren't as effective as the natural immune response against multiple antigens. We may not understand immune response well enough to know why that is.
The more likely explanation is that the many vaccine-related deaths are passed off as Covid deaths, and that the vaccines do not fill their advertised purpose at all. But then, getting more than one shot of experimental drug from global depopulationists was always a terrible idea.
The more likely explanation is that the many vaccine-related deaths are passed off as Covid deaths, and that the vaccines do not fill their advertised purpose at all. But then, getting more than one shot of experimental drug from global depopulationists was always a terrible idea.
Posted by: trev006 at February 06, 2022 12:13 PM (RJToO)
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Nicely done, Muldoon. Thanks for laying some knowledge on us.
Posted by: Count de Monet at February 06, 2022 12:14 PM (4I/2K)
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I never had a flu Vax so never was going to be quick getting the Fake Vax.
Posted by: Skip at February 06, 2022 12:14 PM (2JoB8)
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FJB
Posted by: Mr Gaga at February 06, 2022 12:15 PM (KiBMU)
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We need common sense mRNA control!!
Posted by: Tonypete at February 06, 2022 12:16 PM (mD/uy)
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In addition: the whole point of the mRNA vax is that it is targeted. But reliance on one antigen means that any mutation of that antigen causes a decrease in vaccine effectiveness. If you have mutations, like coronaviruses always have in theory and like we saw with Omicron, the vaccine becomes worthless at best. Indeed, taking a booster is likely to cause some sort of reaction as your body becomes repeatedly exposed to antigen flooding, possibly developing hypersensitivity.
If you're not reading Berenson and Dr. Malone, you're not even in the game.
If you're not reading Berenson and Dr. Malone, you're not even in the game.
Posted by: trev006 at February 06, 2022 12:16 PM (RJToO)
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I believe it has been a great strategic error for the Drug companies to attempt to change the language and call these "vaccines" - which they are not. They are Gene Therapy. There was a chance to get people to accept them honestly by explaining what they were; but instead they attempted to change the language and make people accept them as some kind of medical science that was already well established.
The problem is that as people increasingly realize that this was a lie, trust in the entire medical establishment collapses. They have traded away their long term credibility for the chance at a short term "win" (and a big, if temporary , profit)
The problem is that as people increasingly realize that this was a lie, trust in the entire medical establishment collapses. They have traded away their long term credibility for the chance at a short term "win" (and a big, if temporary , profit)
Posted by: Tom Servo at February 06, 2022 12:17 PM (evAgx)
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very expensive proposition that requires a huge commitment of governments, particularly, because they will be the ones to coordinate all this and then ultimately taxpayers would have to fund it.
What could possibly go wrong?
What could possibly go wrong?
Posted by: Notorious BFD at February 06, 2022 12:17 PM (Xrfse)
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See other examples of regulatory fast-tracking, like the 737 MAX, to see how this all ends up.
Posted by: She Hobbit at February 06, 2022 12:17 PM (ftFVW)
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FJB
Posted by: Mr Gaga at February 06, 2022 12:15 PM (KiBMU)
Fuck you, Jobu?
https://youtu.be/UsjoFZEwAyI
Posted by: Mr Gaga at February 06, 2022 12:15 PM (KiBMU)
Fuck you, Jobu?
https://youtu.be/UsjoFZEwAyI
Posted by: Robert at February 06, 2022 12:17 PM (JCMCn)
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The problem with the mRNA approach is that it is specific to the virus, if it evolves into a "variant" the mRNA doesn't change. Your own immune system has the ability to update itself when it sees a new variant.
Posted by: CTim Bo
*******
Right. The mRNA vaccines produce just the single protein, the spike protein. Natural immunity also includes T-cell recognition and response to other portions of the virus' structure.
To me is would be analogous to developing facial recognition software that only looks at the nose, rather than the complete facial structure.
Posted by: CTim Bo
*******
Right. The mRNA vaccines produce just the single protein, the spike protein. Natural immunity also includes T-cell recognition and response to other portions of the virus' structure.
To me is would be analogous to developing facial recognition software that only looks at the nose, rather than the complete facial structure.
Posted by: Muldoon at February 06, 2022 12:17 PM (m45I2)
Posted by: Braenyard at February 06, 2022 12:18 PM (7vRxf)
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We need common sense mRNA control!!
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We need common sense prosecutions for illegal gain of function research moved offshore to elude American legal restrictions.
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We need common sense prosecutions for illegal gain of function research moved offshore to elude American legal restrictions.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at February 06, 2022 12:18 PM (j5ceG)
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The guy who invented the mRNA process is on record stating it is/was not an appropriate to use it for covid. Good enough for me.
Posted by: Mister Scott
What does he know!! Sounds like he is spouting misinformation.
-- Our betters
Posted by: Mister Scott
What does he know!! Sounds like he is spouting misinformation.
-- Our betters
Posted by: Tonypete at February 06, 2022 12:19 PM (mD/uy)
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PS: One of the things you are never told is that many of the newer pharmaceuticals for everything from arthritis to diabetes to depression do affect your immune systems. Big Pharma knows this, but they aren't talking.
Posted by: CTim Bo at February 06, 2022 12:09 PM (GXrTQ
And remember the side affects that you see with these new drugs. Every tv commercial for medicine lists them. And for every side affect there's probably a drug to deal with it, hence more profit.
Daddy Pharma's makin' the moola, baby. Yeah!
Posted by: CTim Bo at February 06, 2022 12:09 PM (GXrTQ
And remember the side affects that you see with these new drugs. Every tv commercial for medicine lists them. And for every side affect there's probably a drug to deal with it, hence more profit.
Daddy Pharma's makin' the moola, baby. Yeah!
Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at February 06, 2022 12:20 PM (Fs5vw)
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only slightly OT
in the sidebar: Some Canadian Trucker Links: Adolf Trudeau Reacts To Canadian Truckers
there's a line, "My father, Castro, was a dictator"
and they missed a really good chance to follow that up with:
". . . and I am a dick."
in the sidebar: Some Canadian Trucker Links: Adolf Trudeau Reacts To Canadian Truckers
there's a line, "My father, Castro, was a dictator"
and they missed a really good chance to follow that up with:
". . . and I am a dick."
Posted by: m at February 06, 2022 12:20 PM (tye8P)
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mRNA technology has been proposed as potentially useful for a wide range of clinical uses, including vaccinations, antibiotics, antivirals, cancer, autoimmune diseases, and rare genetic defects
I'm old enough to remember when stem cells were going to fix every ailment under the sun. And conveniently ease the consciences of abortion supporters.
I'm old enough to remember when stem cells were going to fix every ailment under the sun. And conveniently ease the consciences of abortion supporters.
Posted by: Methos at February 06, 2022 12:21 PM (kOpft)
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36 only slightly OT
in the sidebar: Some Canadian Trucker Links: Adolf Trudeau Reacts To Canadian Truckers
there's a line, "My father, Castro, was a dictator"
and they missed a really good chance to follow that up with:
". . . and I am a dick."
Posted by: m at February 06, 2022 12:20 PM (tye8P)
Trudeau appears to be remaining in hiding today, he has no idea what to do next.
It feels as if the entire Canadian situation is on the cusp of either a breakthrough or a crackdown, it can't go on at this level. Something is about to break, one way or the other.
in the sidebar: Some Canadian Trucker Links: Adolf Trudeau Reacts To Canadian Truckers
there's a line, "My father, Castro, was a dictator"
and they missed a really good chance to follow that up with:
". . . and I am a dick."
Posted by: m at February 06, 2022 12:20 PM (tye8P)
Trudeau appears to be remaining in hiding today, he has no idea what to do next.
It feels as if the entire Canadian situation is on the cusp of either a breakthrough or a crackdown, it can't go on at this level. Something is about to break, one way or the other.
Posted by: Tom Servo at February 06, 2022 12:22 PM (evAgx)
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Muldoon, you have to cutest monkey.
Now to read the post
Now to read the post
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at February 06, 2022 12:24 PM (lCui1)
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I think this is probably the problem for mRNA treatment of diseases like COVID.
When the body's immune cells process virus for the production of antibodies, they just aren't attacking a single protein, which is the case in the COVID mRNA vaccines, as I understand it.
So, in normal vaccines, if the "spike protein" changes a bit, you still have antibodies against other alien proteins produced by the virus.
My guess is that this is what we're seeing. Evolutionary pressure on the virus exerted against a single protein. Which if the virus is fairly mutable means we're getting a fair amount of variation because what we're seeing is a dumb single attack instead of a holistic multi front attack against the COVID virus.
Same Same for other viruses as well.
I don't know if this is true or not. I'm willing to be wrong. But, it seems to fit exactly what we're seeing.
When the body's immune cells process virus for the production of antibodies, they just aren't attacking a single protein, which is the case in the COVID mRNA vaccines, as I understand it.
So, in normal vaccines, if the "spike protein" changes a bit, you still have antibodies against other alien proteins produced by the virus.
My guess is that this is what we're seeing. Evolutionary pressure on the virus exerted against a single protein. Which if the virus is fairly mutable means we're getting a fair amount of variation because what we're seeing is a dumb single attack instead of a holistic multi front attack against the COVID virus.
Same Same for other viruses as well.
I don't know if this is true or not. I'm willing to be wrong. But, it seems to fit exactly what we're seeing.
Posted by: naturalfake at February 06, 2022 12:25 PM (5NkmN)
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And barely has gotten out getting the actual virus is many times more beneficial to immunity than the Fake Vax, almost like a retraction on page 12 in a little paragraph at the bottom or the ads
Posted by: Skip at February 06, 2022 12:25 PM (2JoB8)
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Received an unsolicited 4 pack of covid test kits, in the mail.
You have to use a smartphone QR code to get the results.
Anyone else see a problem with this?
You have to use a smartphone QR code to get the results.
Anyone else see a problem with this?
Posted by: boynsea at February 06, 2022 12:25 PM (sshap)
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Trudeau appears to be remaining in hiding today, he has no idea what to do next.
It feels as if the entire Canadian situation is on the cusp of either a breakthrough or a crackdown, it can't go on at this level. Something is about to break, one way or the other.
Posted by: Tom Servo at February 06, 2022 12:22 PM
Well the truckers found another funding avenue so they can be there for the long haul. The Cops aren't doing anything, whether by design or incompetence so it's literally a stalemate. If they call in the military it's game over man and everyone knows it.
It feels as if the entire Canadian situation is on the cusp of either a breakthrough or a crackdown, it can't go on at this level. Something is about to break, one way or the other.
Posted by: Tom Servo at February 06, 2022 12:22 PM
Well the truckers found another funding avenue so they can be there for the long haul. The Cops aren't doing anything, whether by design or incompetence so it's literally a stalemate. If they call in the military it's game over man and everyone knows it.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at February 06, 2022 12:25 PM (bVYXr)
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Doctor, I'm going crazy.
Here, take drug DeadOn.
That drug makes me crazier.
No it doesn't.
It does.
You have drug seeking behavior. I want you to see an insane specialist.
Here, take drug DeadOn.
That drug makes me crazier.
No it doesn't.
It does.
You have drug seeking behavior. I want you to see an insane specialist.
Posted by: Humphreyrobot at February 06, 2022 12:25 PM (iwAcy)
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RNA code for a specific protein into an envelope such as a lipid nanoparticle soft shell, injecting that into a patient's muscle where it is taken into muscle cells and lymphocytes and used by those cells to manufacture the desired protein for use by the body
There has been some observation that those lipids are winding up in ovaries, which is a couple problems, in that they're not supposed to be getting into the bloodstream and circulating. If that's related to things like the military whistleblower data showing 300% increase in female fertility issues, that's going to be an enormous problem for the technology regardless of what any particular mRNA package is doing.
There has been some observation that those lipids are winding up in ovaries, which is a couple problems, in that they're not supposed to be getting into the bloodstream and circulating. If that's related to things like the military whistleblower data showing 300% increase in female fertility issues, that's going to be an enormous problem for the technology regardless of what any particular mRNA package is doing.
Posted by: Methos at February 06, 2022 12:25 PM (kOpft)
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The mRNA Patent Landscape piece has some interesting observations. For example, Pfizer/BIONtech, Moderna and Bayer/Glaxo each have double digit mRNA therapeutics in their pipelines. I suspect most of these are for cancer therapies.
Oddly enough, this ties into Ace's post the other day about Biden's goal of reducing cancer deaths by 50% in the next decade plus.
Oddly enough, this ties into Ace's post the other day about Biden's goal of reducing cancer deaths by 50% in the next decade plus.
Posted by: Muldoon at February 06, 2022 12:27 PM (m45I2)
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I am triple inoculated, and ever since I have tingling sensations all over, when I am at rest.
But I haven't succumbed to covid...
But I haven't succumbed to covid...
Posted by: gourmand du jour at February 06, 2022 12:27 PM (jTmQV)
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I have no love for Pfizer and the fast tracking in the case of not particularly fatal diseases. Monoclonal antibodies, are not free from side effects either (see, gemtuzamab), but in the case of more likely to be fatal illnesses, this seems less a problem, especially when you read all the dreadful possibilities on the informed consent pages.
Posted by: CN The First at February 06, 2022 12:28 PM (ONvIw)
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I don't have a problem with people signing up to be guinea pigs for new drugs - some people are desperate and dying.
But I have a huge problem with government forcing everyone to take new drugs.
Imagine if thalidomide was a mandated drug.
But I have a huge problem with government forcing everyone to take new drugs.
Imagine if thalidomide was a mandated drug.
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at February 06, 2022 12:28 PM (lCui1)
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In my opinion society has embraced the concepts of transgenderism, abortions on demand anytime anyplace, masks as a safeguard, etc. so foisting untested and questionable treatments/drugs on an unsuspecting citizenry isn't as taboo as it should be.
The Karens and Todds in the world demanded it, and got it.
The Karens and Todds in the world demanded it, and got it.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at February 06, 2022 12:28 PM (BFigT)
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It feels as if the entire Canadian situation is on the cusp of either a breakthrough or a crackdown, it can't go on at this level. Something is about to break, one way or the other.
Posted by: Tom Servo at February 06, 2022 12:22 PM (evAgx)
You can be sure that any flood of refugees coming south will be met with all the force that is not being used on the southern border.
Posted by: Tom Servo at February 06, 2022 12:22 PM (evAgx)
You can be sure that any flood of refugees coming south will be met with all the force that is not being used on the southern border.
Posted by: Fox2! at February 06, 2022 12:29 PM (qyH+l)
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35 PS: One of the things you are never told is that many of the newer pharmaceuticals for everything from arthritis to diabetes to depression do affect your immune systems. Big Pharma knows this, but they aren't talking.
Posted by: CTim Bo at February 06, 2022 12:09 PM (GXrTQ
That's been the point I've made for a long time. Every new medical breakthrough has side effects. We tend to see the positives and discount the negatives when it's positive enough...or when we need it bad enough (aka, even if the negatives are awful, they still might be better than where we are).
Posted by: CTim Bo at February 06, 2022 12:09 PM (GXrTQ
That's been the point I've made for a long time. Every new medical breakthrough has side effects. We tend to see the positives and discount the negatives when it's positive enough...or when we need it bad enough (aka, even if the negatives are awful, they still might be better than where we are).
Posted by: Nova local at February 06, 2022 12:29 PM (exHjb)
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What I really want is something that reprograms my cells and immune system- as long as it has been rigorously tested, certified, and attested to by the very same people who came up with the disease in the first place. I'd appreciate it, too, if they were legally immune from any adverse effects.
Posted by: t-bird at February 06, 2022 12:30 PM (l0Lgi)
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49. Exactly, the severity of the disease should count. When gemtuzumab was reintroduced, people knew the risks.
Posted by: CN The First at February 06, 2022 12:30 PM (ONvIw)
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I don't know if this is true or not. I'm willing to be wrong. But, it seems to fit exactly what we're seeing.
Posted by: naturalfake at February 06, 2022 12:25 PM (5NkmN)
******
I think you're spot on. See me @31
Posted by: naturalfake at February 06, 2022 12:25 PM (5NkmN)
******
I think you're spot on. See me @31
Posted by: Muldoon at February 06, 2022 12:31 PM (m45I2)
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47 I am triple inoculated, and ever since I have tingling sensations all over, when I am at rest.
But I haven't succumbed to covid...
Posted by: gourmand du jour
I have a coworker who is triple vaxxed and a senior - he says he's been getting terrible itching on his body (legs arms hips) that wakes him up. Of course scratching turns it into.rash.
He mentioned this coz he was asking if anyone else got this after Pfizer.
But I haven't succumbed to covid...
Posted by: gourmand du jour
I have a coworker who is triple vaxxed and a senior - he says he's been getting terrible itching on his body (legs arms hips) that wakes him up. Of course scratching turns it into.rash.
He mentioned this coz he was asking if anyone else got this after Pfizer.
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at February 06, 2022 12:31 PM (lCui1)
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46: "Biden's goal of reducing cancer deaths by 50% in the next decade plus."
Achieved by reducing the population by 50%?
Achieved by reducing the population by 50%?
Posted by: boynsea at February 06, 2022 12:32 PM (sshap)
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The more likely explanation is that the many vaccine-related deaths are passed off as Covid deaths,
If you've seen the charts of "covid" deaths following vaccination, it becomes immediately obvious why you're not considered "vaccinated" until the fifteenth day after the jab.
If you've seen the charts of "covid" deaths following vaccination, it becomes immediately obvious why you're not considered "vaccinated" until the fifteenth day after the jab.
Posted by: Methos at February 06, 2022 12:32 PM (kOpft)
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I think we're all enthusiastically for breakthrough treatments for cancer. The question still remains - are these "therapies" robbing Peter to pay Paul?
Posted by: Notorious BFD at February 06, 2022 12:32 PM (Xrfse)
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It's a madhouse! A madhouse!
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 06, 2022 12:32 PM (R/m4+)
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The mRNA vaccines produce just the single protein, the spike protein. Natural immunity also includes T-cell recognition and response to other portions of the virus' structure.
Posted by: Muldoon at February 06, 2022 12:17 PM (m45I2)
Which leads me to the conclusion that the ultimate best use of this technology will not be as a vaccine against a quickly mutating virus (as you just mentioned).
Cancers, maybe the amyloid proteins that are correlated with dementia, and a host of other things that don't change nearly as quickly as viruses.
Posted by: Muldoon at February 06, 2022 12:17 PM (m45I2)
Which leads me to the conclusion that the ultimate best use of this technology will not be as a vaccine against a quickly mutating virus (as you just mentioned).
Cancers, maybe the amyloid proteins that are correlated with dementia, and a host of other things that don't change nearly as quickly as viruses.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 06, 2022 12:33 PM (XIJ/X)
62
I break libertarian on a lot of things so if we're going to get rid of the FDA then so be it, but if we go down that road than they need to get rid of the FDA for *everyone* not just the top lobbyists at Big Pharma.
Anyway, I'm young and healthy so my approach to all this experimental medical stuff is that it's a bad idea for me to be an early adopter. This attitude is somewhat helped along by the fact that I'm a tech guy and "herp derp let's ship the beta and see what happens" has become a popular mantra in the tech world.
Anyway, I'm young and healthy so my approach to all this experimental medical stuff is that it's a bad idea for me to be an early adopter. This attitude is somewhat helped along by the fact that I'm a tech guy and "herp derp let's ship the beta and see what happens" has become a popular mantra in the tech world.
Posted by: CppThis at February 06, 2022 12:33 PM (UewuT)
63
"Biden's goal of reducing cancer deaths by 50% in the next decade plus."
Achieved by reducing the population by 50%?
Posted by: boynsea
Or killing them with the cancer treatment, to prevent the death by cancer.
Achieved by reducing the population by 50%?
Posted by: boynsea
Or killing them with the cancer treatment, to prevent the death by cancer.
Posted by: t-bird at February 06, 2022 12:33 PM (l0Lgi)
64
Hopeful news, hubby didn't keep his booster appointment. I hope it's because he listened to me when I said it's outdated and won't work on variants.
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at February 06, 2022 12:33 PM (lCui1)
65
49 I don't have a problem with people signing up to be guinea pigs for new drugs - some people are desperate and dying.
But I have a huge problem with government forcing everyone to take new drugs.
Imagine if thalidomide was a mandated drug.
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at February 06, 2022 12:28 PM (lCui1)
Flipper would remain a popular TV show.
But I have a huge problem with government forcing everyone to take new drugs.
Imagine if thalidomide was a mandated drug.
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at February 06, 2022 12:28 PM (lCui1)
Flipper would remain a popular TV show.
Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Wrecker. Hoarder. Honker. at February 06, 2022 12:33 PM (II3Gr)
66
We need common sense prosecutions for illegal gain of function research moved offshore to elude American legal restrictions.
Followed by common sense public hangings.
Followed by common sense public hangings.
Posted by: Methos at February 06, 2022 12:34 PM (kOpft)
67
"But reliance on one antigen means that any mutation of that antigen causes a decrease in vaccine effectiveness."
And as I recall, this is part of why Malone and others said it is wrong practice to mass "immunize" into a pandemic. Because when there is a mutation that gets around that one antigen (?) ... then it will have a large supply of new hosts that have all gotten that same "narrow band" immunity.
As opposed to natural immunity, one successful mutation in one person, will likely not be successful in another person, because their immunity will be broader.
So only the most vulnerable should have gotten the vax, the rest could have attained natural immunity (the Barrington Plan)
And as I recall, this is part of why Malone and others said it is wrong practice to mass "immunize" into a pandemic. Because when there is a mutation that gets around that one antigen (?) ... then it will have a large supply of new hosts that have all gotten that same "narrow band" immunity.
As opposed to natural immunity, one successful mutation in one person, will likely not be successful in another person, because their immunity will be broader.
So only the most vulnerable should have gotten the vax, the rest could have attained natural immunity (the Barrington Plan)
Posted by: illiniwek at February 06, 2022 12:35 PM (Cus5s)
68
Wasn't the COVID vaxxine miraculously ready in two hours when the feds said they needed it or something similarly absurd?
Posted by: Moron Robbie - CTCCTCGGCGGGCACGTAG at February 06, 2022 12:36 PM (CM8Oa)
69
If they call in the military it's game over man and everyone knows it.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at February 06, 2022 12:25 PM (bVYXr)
That's always what decides one of these situations - will they act, or not? In the Russian Revolution, the military stayed in their barracks. In the Romanian Revolution, the military joined in the attack on the Security forces. Trudeau may not be calling on them because he is unsure of their support; but without that the Protest wins.
the longer it goes on the weaker the current Ruling Party looks, and displayed weakness is always fatal.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at February 06, 2022 12:25 PM (bVYXr)
That's always what decides one of these situations - will they act, or not? In the Russian Revolution, the military stayed in their barracks. In the Romanian Revolution, the military joined in the attack on the Security forces. Trudeau may not be calling on them because he is unsure of their support; but without that the Protest wins.
the longer it goes on the weaker the current Ruling Party looks, and displayed weakness is always fatal.
Posted by: Tom Servo at February 06, 2022 12:36 PM (evAgx)
70
It's not really an itching, it's more of a tingling In every extremity plus my torso.
It wasn't there before.
But, I haven't croaked...
It wasn't there before.
But, I haven't croaked...
Posted by: gourmand du jour at February 06, 2022 12:36 PM (jTmQV)
71
I'm old enough to remember when stem cells were going to fix every ailment under the sun. And conveniently ease the consciences of abortion supporters.
Posted by: Methos at February 06, 2022 12:21 PM (kOpft)
Heyyyy! I'mmmm shakingggg overrrr hereee!
Posted by: Methos at February 06, 2022 12:21 PM (kOpft)
Heyyyy! I'mmmm shakingggg overrrr hereee!
Posted by: Michael J Fox, Selfish Asshole at February 06, 2022 12:36 PM (R/m4+)
72
23 I never had a flu Vax so never was going to be quick getting the Fake Vax.
Posted by: Skip at February 06, 2022 12:14 PM (2JoB
I've never had one either. Also never had what people describe as the flu. For me to get a flu shot would be to assume nonzero risk for zero benefit, which makes no sense.
Posted by: Skip at February 06, 2022 12:14 PM (2JoB
I've never had one either. Also never had what people describe as the flu. For me to get a flu shot would be to assume nonzero risk for zero benefit, which makes no sense.
Posted by: CppThis at February 06, 2022 12:36 PM (UewuT)
73
I have a coworker who is triple vaxxed and a senior - he says he's been getting terrible itching on his body (legs arms hips) that wakes him up. Of course scratching turns it into.rash.
He mentioned this coz he was asking if anyone else got this after Pfizer.
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at February 06, 2022 12:31 PM (lCui1)
He may have developed an allergy to certain environmental effects (his bedding, his skin lotions, his bedtime clothes material, etc). Allergies are caused by immune responses, and I developed my 2nd food allergy, my anaphylactic one (tree nuts), after a huge virus in Feb 2020 (which I suspect was Covid, but could have been weird flu). I already had symptoms of my coming blood cancer diagnosis, so I had a subpar immune system at the time. TL/DR - it's possible that his immune system is confusing a relatively benign substance as a threat and acting accordingly...adults develop allergies all the time, even though no one ever tells us this til they happen to us.
He mentioned this coz he was asking if anyone else got this after Pfizer.
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at February 06, 2022 12:31 PM (lCui1)
He may have developed an allergy to certain environmental effects (his bedding, his skin lotions, his bedtime clothes material, etc). Allergies are caused by immune responses, and I developed my 2nd food allergy, my anaphylactic one (tree nuts), after a huge virus in Feb 2020 (which I suspect was Covid, but could have been weird flu). I already had symptoms of my coming blood cancer diagnosis, so I had a subpar immune system at the time. TL/DR - it's possible that his immune system is confusing a relatively benign substance as a threat and acting accordingly...adults develop allergies all the time, even though no one ever tells us this til they happen to us.
Posted by: Nova local at February 06, 2022 12:36 PM (exHjb)
74
The guy who invented the mRNA process is on record stating it is/was not an appropriate to use it for covid. Good enough for me.
Posted by: Mister Scott
Self-reported. Unreliable. Counterrevolutionary.
Posted by: Mister Scott
Self-reported. Unreliable. Counterrevolutionary.
Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Wrecker. Hoarder. Honker. at February 06, 2022 12:37 PM (II3Gr)
75
The mRNA vaccine use seems increasingly to be a fruitless experiment, since effectiveness has declined with time and virus mutation.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at February 06, 2022 12:37 PM (j5ceG)
Posted by: Notorious BFD at February 06, 2022 12:37 PM (Xrfse)
77
It feels as if the entire Canadian situation is on the cusp of either a breakthrough or a crackdown, it can't go on at this level. Something is about to break, one way or the other.
I'm optimistic on this because I've heard Ottawa police have asked for military help (meaning they can't do anything about it on their own) and been told to fuck off.
I'm optimistic on this because I've heard Ottawa police have asked for military help (meaning they can't do anything about it on their own) and been told to fuck off.
Posted by: Methos at February 06, 2022 12:37 PM (kOpft)
78
Received an unsolicited 4 pack of covid test kits, in the mail.
You have to use a smartphone QR code to get the results.
Anyone else see a problem with this?
Posted by: boynsea
I don't have a smartphone.
Received an unsolicited 4 pack of covid test kits, in the mail.
You have to use a smartphone QR code to get the results.
Anyone else see a problem with this?
Posted by: boynsea
I don't have a smartphone.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 06, 2022 12:37 PM (63Dwl)
79
I mean, literally everything about the Plandemic is a scam and Op, mRNA might be the biggest overall.
Big Pharma: Hey we have this mRNA shit we were attempting to use as a cure for cancer that failed, what can we do with it now?
** China and The globalists have entered the chat....
Big Pharma: Hey we have this mRNA shit we were attempting to use as a cure for cancer that failed, what can we do with it now?
** China and The globalists have entered the chat....
Posted by: Thomas Bender at February 06, 2022 12:38 PM (Uk7B3)
80
Posted by: Michael J Fox, Selfish Asshole at February 06, 2022 12:36 PM (R/m4+)
Hey Mike, fix me a martini.
Hey Mike, fix me a martini.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Keith's Son at February 06, 2022 12:38 PM (x8Wzq)
81
57 46: "Biden's goal of reducing cancer deaths by 50% in the next decade plus."
Achieved by reducing the population by 50%?
Posted by: boynsea at February 06, 2022 12:32 PM (sshap)
It's a stupid, desperate political plan, because the day when the general public could be talked into believing that is long since gone.
Achieved by reducing the population by 50%?
Posted by: boynsea at February 06, 2022 12:32 PM (sshap)
It's a stupid, desperate political plan, because the day when the general public could be talked into believing that is long since gone.
Posted by: Tom Servo at February 06, 2022 12:38 PM (evAgx)
82
I've never had one either. Also never had what people describe as the flu. For me to get a flu shot would be to assume nonzero risk for zero benefit, which makes no sense.
Posted by: CppThis at February 06, 2022 12:36 PM (UewuT)
I do, however, know 3 people who had the GBS type reaction to the flu shots
Posted by: CppThis at February 06, 2022 12:36 PM (UewuT)
I do, however, know 3 people who had the GBS type reaction to the flu shots
Posted by: CN The First at February 06, 2022 12:38 PM (ONvIw)
83
75 The mRNA vaccine use seems increasingly to be a fruitless experiment, since effectiveness has declined with time and virus mutation.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at February 06, 2022 12:37 PM (j5ceG)
Fruitless? Gives power to the pols and money to Big Pharma. Fulfilling its purpose rather nicely.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at February 06, 2022 12:37 PM (j5ceG)
Fruitless? Gives power to the pols and money to Big Pharma. Fulfilling its purpose rather nicely.
Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Wrecker. Hoarder. Honker. at February 06, 2022 12:38 PM (II3Gr)
84
But I have a huge problem with government forcing everyone to take new drugs.
Imagine if thalidomide was a mandated drug.
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion
*****
My wife always says, "It's not about the vaccine, it's about the mandate." Sifting through the "information" about pros and cons of the mRNA vaccine is daunting, but the interpretation of those pros and cons in the framework of your own personal situation (both medical and non-medical) is much too important to trust to a bureaucrat. You could say the needs of the one outweigh the needs of the many.
Imagine if thalidomide was a mandated drug.
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion
*****
My wife always says, "It's not about the vaccine, it's about the mandate." Sifting through the "information" about pros and cons of the mRNA vaccine is daunting, but the interpretation of those pros and cons in the framework of your own personal situation (both medical and non-medical) is much too important to trust to a bureaucrat. You could say the needs of the one outweigh the needs of the many.
Posted by: Muldoon at February 06, 2022 12:38 PM (m45I2)
85
I'm guessing the cancer problems with the vaccines are not associated with the spike protien but rather the mRNA technology itself. It will be interesting when they try to cure cancer with something that causes cancer.
Posted by: Max Power at February 06, 2022 12:39 PM (QCc6B)
86
Last shot I had was a tetanus booster about a decade ago, after cutting my hand at work.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Keith's Son at February 06, 2022 12:39 PM (x8Wzq)
87
70 It's not really an itching, it's more of a tingling In every extremity plus my torso.
It wasn't there before.
But, I haven't croaked...
Posted by: gourmand du jour at February 06, 2022 12:36 PM (jTmQV)
Could be auto-immune, could be diabetes, could be a vitamin deficiency (B12) or overdose (B6)...and a 100 other things, but I figured I'd start from most likely to least likely and leave off the really unlikely...
Have you mentioned the symptom to a doc to at least get blood work to rule a bunch of things out?
It wasn't there before.
But, I haven't croaked...
Posted by: gourmand du jour at February 06, 2022 12:36 PM (jTmQV)
Could be auto-immune, could be diabetes, could be a vitamin deficiency (B12) or overdose (B6)...and a 100 other things, but I figured I'd start from most likely to least likely and leave off the really unlikely...
Have you mentioned the symptom to a doc to at least get blood work to rule a bunch of things out?
Posted by: Nova local at February 06, 2022 12:40 PM (exHjb)
88
Oh yeah. And from an article about Moderna from 2017:
"But mRNA is a tricky technology. Several major pharmaceutical companies have tried and abandoned the idea, struggling to get mRNA into cells without triggering nasty side effects."
"His presentation instead focused on four vaccines that the company is moving through the first phase of clinical trials: two target strains of influenza, a third is for Zika virus, and the fourth remains a secret."
statnews.com/2017/01/10/
moderna-trouble-mrna/
"But mRNA is a tricky technology. Several major pharmaceutical companies have tried and abandoned the idea, struggling to get mRNA into cells without triggering nasty side effects."
"His presentation instead focused on four vaccines that the company is moving through the first phase of clinical trials: two target strains of influenza, a third is for Zika virus, and the fourth remains a secret."
statnews.com/2017/01/10/
moderna-trouble-mrna/
Posted by: Moron Robbie - CTCCTCGGCGGGCACGTAG at February 06, 2022 12:40 PM (CM8Oa)
89
78: 'I don't have a smartphone.'
Good deal. You can't put yourself into a gov database.
Good deal. You can't put yourself into a gov database.
Posted by: boynsea at February 06, 2022 12:41 PM (sshap)
90
Last shot I had was a tetanus booster about a decade ago, after cutting my hand at work.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Keith's Son at February 06, 2022 12:39 PM (x8Wzq)
My last shot was last night..."Writer's Tears" Irish Whisky.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Keith's Son at February 06, 2022 12:39 PM (x8Wzq)
My last shot was last night..."Writer's Tears" Irish Whisky.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 06, 2022 12:43 PM (XIJ/X)
91
I'm optimistic on this because I've heard Ottawa police have asked for military help (meaning they can't do anything about it on their own) and been told to fuck off.
Posted by: Methos at February 06,
The only thing the government can do is try to wait them out.
The Truckers hold all of the cards.
The government knows who delivers products. And they can't be easily replaced.
The government cannot go heavy handed bc they know the wheels will stop all across the country.
Posted by: Methos at February 06,
The only thing the government can do is try to wait them out.
The Truckers hold all of the cards.
The government knows who delivers products. And they can't be easily replaced.
The government cannot go heavy handed bc they know the wheels will stop all across the country.
Posted by: I Mean at February 06, 2022 12:44 PM (df7zy)
92
Seems like a timely story.
>>University That Funds Biden's Think Tank And Hosts FactCheck.Org Has Contract With BioNTech, Gets Paid For Vaccine Sales And FDA Approvals
https://tinyurl.com/2p8rv8pa
>>University That Funds Biden's Think Tank And Hosts FactCheck.Org Has Contract With BioNTech, Gets Paid For Vaccine Sales And FDA Approvals
https://tinyurl.com/2p8rv8pa
Posted by: JackStraw at February 06, 2022 12:44 PM (ZLI7S)
93
My last shot was last night..."Writer's Tears" Irish Whisky.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
*******
Hey-oooooh!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
*******
Hey-oooooh!
Posted by: Muldoon at February 06, 2022 12:44 PM (m45I2)
94
Posted by: Michael J Fox, Selfish Asshole at February 06, 2022 12:36 PM (R/m4+)
Hey Mike, fix me a martini.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Keith's Son at February 06, 2022 12:38 PM (x8Wzq)
Yeah, me, too.
Hey Mike, fix me a martini.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Keith's Son at February 06, 2022 12:38 PM (x8Wzq)
Yeah, me, too.
Posted by: James Bond at February 06, 2022 12:45 PM (kOpft)
95
IMO they turned this extremely quickly into a political issue, as soon as it was you must get this is when it became one.
Posted by: Skip at February 06, 2022 12:45 PM (2JoB8)
Posted by: Diogenes at February 06, 2022 12:45 PM (axyOa)
97
University That Funds Biden's Think Tank And Hosts FactCheck.Org Has Contract With BioNTech, Gets Paid For Vaccine Sales And FDA Approvals
https://tinyurl.com/2p8rv8pa
Posted by: JackStraw
*
It came out last year that the organization that was "fact checking" for Twitter and Facebook held $2B in vaxxine manufacturers' stock.
https://tinyurl.com/2p8rv8pa
Posted by: JackStraw
*
It came out last year that the organization that was "fact checking" for Twitter and Facebook held $2B in vaxxine manufacturers' stock.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - CTCCTCGGCGGGCACGTAG at February 06, 2022 12:46 PM (CM8Oa)
98
If it saves just one dolphin...
Posted by: A Scold of Karens at February 06, 2022 12:46 PM (Xrfse)
99
Just remember, everyone. The China Coof is nothing but a political op using the seasonal flu as the engine. Any attempt to put some sort of extraordinary context to it is a fools errand. The same goes for the "vaccine" (mRNA or otherwise) debate that this post is presenting.
ALL of it has had really nothing to do with disease, medicine, or science. It was about deposing a fairly elected president and the takeover of power.
ALL of it has had really nothing to do with disease, medicine, or science. It was about deposing a fairly elected president and the takeover of power.
Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at February 06, 2022 12:47 PM (Fs5vw)
100
I did report it to my doctor and have recently had a full panel of blood work.
Nothing was revealed there.
I am just living with it since I have no alternative, being well past my "use by" date.
Nothing was revealed there.
I am just living with it since I have no alternative, being well past my "use by" date.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at February 06, 2022 12:47 PM (jTmQV)
101
I like the idea in theory of using mRna or similar to treat the genetic disorders where the patients' body does not produce a needed protein. Imagine if they could treat type 1 diabetes this way. Free a lot of people from having to take insulin shots.
Now if it is like the covid vaccines they would need to get their mRna injection every 4 months or so and still have to monitor blood sugar to see if their insulin production is falling off, so not a cure until they could figure out how to make protein generation more permanent (but for an annual flu type vaccine I think you don't want the body permanently making a protein and stimulating antibodies. Two different tracks needed)
Personally, after what I've learned about the prevalence of aborted fetal tissue cultures in making and testing vaccines thanks to all the attention covid generated, I'm going to be a lot more vaccine hesitant going forward than I ever used to be. The process is just too skeevy and icky.
Now if it is like the covid vaccines they would need to get their mRna injection every 4 months or so and still have to monitor blood sugar to see if their insulin production is falling off, so not a cure until they could figure out how to make protein generation more permanent (but for an annual flu type vaccine I think you don't want the body permanently making a protein and stimulating antibodies. Two different tracks needed)
Personally, after what I've learned about the prevalence of aborted fetal tissue cultures in making and testing vaccines thanks to all the attention covid generated, I'm going to be a lot more vaccine hesitant going forward than I ever used to be. The process is just too skeevy and icky.
Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at February 06, 2022 12:47 PM (3cGpq)
102
Book...
Using Your Body For Dummies.
Don't have time for professional feedback. Life propels us to quick unknowable experimentation.
Fight.
Using Your Body For Dummies.
Don't have time for professional feedback. Life propels us to quick unknowable experimentation.
Fight.
Posted by: Humphreyrobot at February 06, 2022 12:47 PM (iwAcy)
103
This question must be asked: Do Pfizer and Moderna have a financial incentive to downplay (or even perhaps seek to censor) reports of adverse effects while simultaneously talking up the efficacy of their vaccines? The answer seems apparent
You are a tad too young to be so cynical, Dr. Seamus Muldoon.
You are a tad too young to be so cynical, Dr. Seamus Muldoon.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 06, 2022 12:47 PM (a3Q+t)
104
I think we may have turned a corner. Not a single commenter has said, "Worst limerick ever!"
Posted by: Muldoon at February 06, 2022 12:48 PM (m45I2)
105
The only thing the government can do is try to wait them out."
one side's support is growing, one side's is waning. It's not hard to see where a waiting game ends up. If this was astro-turfed like all of the Left's protest mobs are, it would fall apart. But it isn't.
one side's support is growing, one side's is waning. It's not hard to see where a waiting game ends up. If this was astro-turfed like all of the Left's protest mobs are, it would fall apart. But it isn't.
Posted by: Tom Servo at February 06, 2022 12:48 PM (evAgx)
106
Wasn't there a scientific paper posted recently showing that COVID-19 was in the U.S. in 2018 (maybe even 2016, I'll have to go look)?
Posted by: Moron Robbie - CTCCTCGGCGGGCACGTAG at February 06, 2022 12:48 PM (CM8Oa)
107
Not to mention this became a cash cow for Big Pharma, Hospitals, and medical supplies.
Someone is making bank selling masks to the government that are being handed out as well as test kits.
Someone is making bank selling masks to the government that are being handed out as well as test kits.
Posted by: Skip at February 06, 2022 12:49 PM (2JoB8)
108
104 I think we may have turned a corner. Not a single commenter has said, "Worst limerick ever!"
Posted by: Muldoon at February 06, 2022 12:48 PM (m45I2)
Your previous work in this field is difficult to top!
Posted by: Muldoon at February 06, 2022 12:48 PM (m45I2)
Your previous work in this field is difficult to top!
Posted by: Tom Servo at February 06, 2022 12:49 PM (evAgx)
109
Bottom line, Dr. Fauci should have his head locked inside a mesh cage and his face eaten by sandflies.
Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. at February 06, 2022 12:50 PM (II3Gr)
110
I think we may have turned a corner. Not a single commenter has said, "Worst limerick ever!"
Don't count those chickens until they've hatched.
Don't count those chickens until they've hatched.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at February 06, 2022 12:50 PM (Xrfse)
111
And were there ever any updates on the "Moderna Patented 'Man Made' SARS-CoV2 Gene Sequence in 2018" information that came out a couple of weeks ago?
Link in my name field.
Link in my name field.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - CTCCTCGGCGGGCACGTAG at February 06, 2022 12:50 PM (CM8Oa)
112
109 Bottom line, Dr. Fauci should have his head locked inside a mesh cage and his face eaten by sandflies.
Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. at February 06, 2022 12:50 PM (II3Gr)
THE BEES! THE BEES!!!
Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. at February 06, 2022 12:50 PM (II3Gr)
THE BEES! THE BEES!!!
Posted by: Nicholas Cage at February 06, 2022 12:51 PM (evAgx)
113
My last shot was last night..."Writer's Tears" Irish Whisky.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
Dang!
Slainte!!!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
Dang!
Slainte!!!
Posted by: Diogenes at February 06, 2022 12:52 PM (axyOa)
114
This entire vaccination program reminds me very much of the Sackler family's Purdue Pharma. which sponsored various seminars, "studies", publications and junkets both for private concerns such as hospital staff and the FDA/CDC etc. to adopt the philosophy that the "patient need not and should not suffer pain". All to promote their drug Oxicodine (Oxycodone ). Legislators and politicians were given huge campaign contributions. As many as 20 million Americans became addicted to Oxycodone, reaping huge profits for
Purdue and a few other firms. And it was all deadly nonsense.
Purdue and a few other firms. And it was all deadly nonsense.
Posted by: jack at February 06, 2022 12:52 PM (5zZ1Q)
115
I like the idea in theory of using mRna or similar to treat the genetic disorders where the patients' body does not produce a needed protein. Imagine if they could treat type 1 diabetes this way. Free a lot of people from having to take insulin shots.
*****
The problem there is that insulin production by the pancreas needs to be not only ongoing, but involves a continuous feedback loop in response to fluctuating sugar levels. mRNA would give a short term surge of insulin production that could easily overshoot the body's needs.
With gene deficiencies, the shots need to be repeated periodically, since the protein production is not sustained once the mRNA degrades. Usually a matter of repeated shots every few weeks or months.
*****
The problem there is that insulin production by the pancreas needs to be not only ongoing, but involves a continuous feedback loop in response to fluctuating sugar levels. mRNA would give a short term surge of insulin production that could easily overshoot the body's needs.
With gene deficiencies, the shots need to be repeated periodically, since the protein production is not sustained once the mRNA degrades. Usually a matter of repeated shots every few weeks or months.
Posted by: Muldoon at February 06, 2022 12:53 PM (m45I2)
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They are training people to fear death. Christians need not fear death. Instead we all should fear the one who can destroy both body and soul.
Those who hate their life will gain it. Those who love their life will loose it.
Those who hate their life will gain it. Those who love their life will loose it.
Posted by: Paul in Texas at February 06, 2022 12:53 PM (kKoLS)
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You know, during breaks in fighting, this fog is romantic.
Did my gov use a date rape drug but instead of 1/2 consciousness i gained an extra consciousness.
Did my gov use a date rape drug but instead of 1/2 consciousness i gained an extra consciousness.
Posted by: Humphreyrobot at February 06, 2022 12:54 PM (iwAcy)
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>>It came out last year that the organization that was "fact checking" for Twitter and Facebook held $2B in vaxxine manufacturers' stock.
The sheer amount of corruption and insider dealing makes it almost impossible for any one example to breakthrough with the public. That and the fact that the left owns the media and won't even run dissenting views.
The only thing they have destroyed is the credibility of the medical and pharmaceutical industries. The virus is dying off on it's own.
The sheer amount of corruption and insider dealing makes it almost impossible for any one example to breakthrough with the public. That and the fact that the left owns the media and won't even run dissenting views.
The only thing they have destroyed is the credibility of the medical and pharmaceutical industries. The virus is dying off on it's own.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 06, 2022 12:54 PM (ZLI7S)
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This question must be asked: Do Pfizer and Moderna have a financial incentive to downplay (or even perhaps seek to censor) reports of adverse effects while simultaneously talking up the efficacy of their vaccines? The answer seems apparent.
It would be very interesting to see the portfolios of the Congress critters who engage in insider trading (legally of course) with regards to big pharma.
It would be very interesting to see the portfolios of the Congress critters who engage in insider trading (legally of course) with regards to big pharma.
Posted by: Diogenes at February 06, 2022 12:55 PM (axyOa)
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Bottom line, Dr. Fauci should have his head locked inside a mesh cage and his face eaten by sandflies.
Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. at February 06, 2022 12:50 PM (II3Gr)
Any of the agonies depicted in the historical record "Mark of the Devil" being applied to the despicable doctor would suit me just fine.
Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. at February 06, 2022 12:50 PM (II3Gr)
Any of the agonies depicted in the historical record "Mark of the Devil" being applied to the despicable doctor would suit me just fine.
Posted by: Count de Monet at February 06, 2022 12:55 PM (4I/2K)
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116 They are training people to fear death. Christians need not fear death. Instead we all should fear the one who can destroy both body and soul.
Those who hate their life will gain it. Those who love their life will loose it.
Posted by: Paul in Texas at February 06, 2022 12:53 PM (kKoLS)
You can't defeat someone who doesn't fear death. You can kill him (or her) but you can never defeat him.
Those who hate their life will gain it. Those who love their life will loose it.
Posted by: Paul in Texas at February 06, 2022 12:53 PM (kKoLS)
You can't defeat someone who doesn't fear death. You can kill him (or her) but you can never defeat him.
Posted by: Nicholas Cage at February 06, 2022 12:57 PM (evAgx)
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They are training people older than middle age to fear death.
They are training people younger than middle age to fear other people.
They are training people younger than middle age to fear other people.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - CTCCTCGGCGGGCACGTAG at February 06, 2022 12:58 PM (CM8Oa)
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>>It would be very interesting to see the portfolios of the Congress critters who engage in insider trading (legally of course) with regards to big pharma.
If you haven't you should check out the article at the link I posted at #92.
At least one pol was making bank and likely still is.
If you haven't you should check out the article at the link I posted at #92.
At least one pol was making bank and likely still is.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 06, 2022 12:58 PM (ZLI7S)
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You will take your jabs and like it.
Posted by: Branch Covidian at February 06, 2022 12:58 PM (Y274z)
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This cloth mask will save you from the government, citizen. Just put it on and you can enter the school.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - CTCCTCGGCGGGCACGTAG at February 06, 2022 12:58 PM (CM8Oa)
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Thank you, Muldoon. I always appreciate it when you share your knowledge (as well as your limericks).
Posted by: Emmie at February 06, 2022 12:59 PM (3Hzkx)
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A lot of people will never trust mRNA treatments/vaccines ever again, for any reason. This will become more common as the word gets out - people are starting to compare notes, and I think we've now passed the point where actual jab deaths exceed the official COVID death totals. Nobody knows how the long term death totals will look vs. the first 2-4 weeks post-shot.
Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at February 06, 2022 12:59 PM (CKXPc)
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Last shot I had was a tetanus booster about a decade ago, after cutting my hand at work.
Me, too. Now I wish I hadn't, but even cynical me didn't have the slightest inkling of how corrupt and malevolent medicine was.
Me, too. Now I wish I hadn't, but even cynical me didn't have the slightest inkling of how corrupt and malevolent medicine was.
Posted by: t-bird at February 06, 2022 12:59 PM (9Fwwf)
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Unrelated - as was one of the predicted outcomes, Goldberg's shennanigans have prompted the ADL to edit their online definition of racism, which will ruffle a lot of moonbat feathers.
Every day commies form circular firing squads is a day they're not trying to make linear ones.
Every day commies form circular firing squads is a day they're not trying to make linear ones.
Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at February 06, 2022 01:01 PM (CKXPc)
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100 I did report it to my doctor and have recently had a full panel of blood work.
Nothing was revealed there.
I am just living with it since I have no alternative, being well past my "use by" date.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at February 06, 2022 12:47 PM (jTmQV)
That sucks...he didn't refer you to anyone when the blood didn't show anything? Maybe a neurologist (to see if it's an overall nerve issue)?
Nothing was revealed there.
I am just living with it since I have no alternative, being well past my "use by" date.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at February 06, 2022 12:47 PM (jTmQV)
That sucks...he didn't refer you to anyone when the blood didn't show anything? Maybe a neurologist (to see if it's an overall nerve issue)?
Posted by: Nova local at February 06, 2022 01:01 PM (exHjb)
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The problem there is that insulin production by the pancreas needs to be not only ongoing, but involves a continuous feedback loop in response to fluctuating sugar levels. mRNA would give a short term surge of insulin production that could easily overshoot the body's needs.
That 'feedback mechanism' is what concerns me, among other things with people who have gotten the clot shot and the boosters. I wonder if is there is some point at which your body cannot recover the function(s) being modified by the mRNA.
That 'feedback mechanism' is what concerns me, among other things with people who have gotten the clot shot and the boosters. I wonder if is there is some point at which your body cannot recover the function(s) being modified by the mRNA.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at February 06, 2022 01:02 PM (O8FsO)
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They are training people to fear death. Christians need not fear death. Instead we all should fear the one who can destroy both body and soul.
Those who hate their life will gain it. Those who love their life will loose it.
Posted by: Paul in Texas
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Amen.
But for most people, this life is all they have or want.
Those who hate their life will gain it. Those who love their life will loose it.
Posted by: Paul in Texas
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Amen.
But for most people, this life is all they have or want.
Posted by: SMH At God's mercy at February 06, 2022 01:03 PM (RU4sa)
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I think we may have turned a corner. Not a single commenter has said, "Worst limerick ever!"
Muldoon writes on blog.
Many be smarter today,
But sadly no bewbs.
Muldoon writes on blog.
Many be smarter today,
But sadly no bewbs.
Posted by: Diogenes at February 06, 2022 01:03 PM (axyOa)
Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. at February 06, 2022 01:03 PM (II3Gr)
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In a book....
Hackers kidnap a politician. Hack CNN and broadcast subsequently waterboarding the fucker.
Hackers kidnap a politician. Hack CNN and broadcast subsequently waterboarding the fucker.
Posted by: Humphreyrobot at February 06, 2022 01:04 PM (iwAcy)
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129 Unrelated - as was one of the predicted outcomes, Goldberg's shennanigans have prompted the ADL to edit their online definition of racism, which will ruffle a lot of moonbat feathers.
Every day commies form circular firing squads is a day they're not trying to make linear ones.
Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at February 06, 2022 01:01 PM (CKXPc)
the left's favorite tactic has been pushing everywhere on every front constantly; and it has gained them a lot of ground. But now they've overextended themselves, leaving them vulnerable to counterattack on all fronts. That's always the danger in pushing too hard too fast.
Every day commies form circular firing squads is a day they're not trying to make linear ones.
Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at February 06, 2022 01:01 PM (CKXPc)
the left's favorite tactic has been pushing everywhere on every front constantly; and it has gained them a lot of ground. But now they've overextended themselves, leaving them vulnerable to counterattack on all fronts. That's always the danger in pushing too hard too fast.
Posted by: Nicholas Cage at February 06, 2022 01:04 PM (evAgx)
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off sock!
Posted by: Tom Servo at February 06, 2022 01:04 PM (evAgx)
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I think we may have turned a corner. Not a single commenter has said, "Worst limerick ever!"
Posted by: Muldoon
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It's early on Sunday, most of the Horde are still sober.
Terrific post, btw.
Posted by: Muldoon
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It's early on Sunday, most of the Horde are still sober.
Terrific post, btw.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 06, 2022 01:05 PM (4EIFd)
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A lot of people will never trust mRNA treatments/vaccines ever again, for any reason. This will become more common as the word gets out - people are starting to compare notes, and I think we've now passed the point where actual jab deaths exceed the official COVID death totals. Nobody knows how the long term death totals will look vs. the first 2-4 weeks post-shot.
Posted by: somedood
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I don't trust doctors, period. Not anymore.
The past two years has been eye-opening, to say the least.
Posted by: somedood
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I don't trust doctors, period. Not anymore.
The past two years has been eye-opening, to say the least.
Posted by: SMH At God's mercy at February 06, 2022 01:05 PM (RU4sa)
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Bopping back and forth here and the video of ice diorama came up on my YouTube app, my that guy has talent and cash to burn, those materials can't be cheap.
Posted by: Skip at February 06, 2022 01:05 PM (2JoB8)
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But for most people, this life is all they have or want.
Posted by: SMH At God's mercy at February 06, 2022 01:03 PM (RU4sa)
If this is all they want, they are truly sad cases indeed.
But for most people, this life is all they have or want.
Posted by: SMH At God's mercy at February 06, 2022 01:03 PM (RU4sa)
If this is all they want, they are truly sad cases indeed.
Posted by: Tom Servo at February 06, 2022 01:05 PM (evAgx)
Posted by: SMH At God's mercy at February 06, 2022 01:06 PM (RU4sa)
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Over 20 years of research and they can't get past animal testing. It always seems so promising but mRNA keeps coming up short. With Covid, they did animal testing in parallel with humans. So, that's nice. Then the decided to hide the results for 75 years. At what point do you start to realize that they never solved the original problems and that this is all a giant experiment.
Posted by: Chicago Vota at February 06, 2022 01:06 PM (ts6Zs)
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I'm slow and a dullard in many respects. I do not understand the details of the (true) science.
But I do know that when unaccountable institutions are trying mightily to force me to do something, anything really, it's time to not rush headlong into taking the action they suggest.
But I do know that when unaccountable institutions are trying mightily to force me to do something, anything really, it's time to not rush headlong into taking the action they suggest.
Posted by: Tonypete at February 06, 2022 01:07 PM (mD/uy)
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"122 They are training people older than middle age to fear death.
They are training people younger than middle age to fear other people.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - CTCCTCGGCGGGCACGTAG at February 06, 2022 12:58 PM (CM8Oa)"
Not really. The really dumb parts of the population generally aren't going to fear shit. The fear stuff is only aimed at a specific portion of the midwits, and even then many lefties and non-lefties alike understand this is all about political retribution. The smarter ones absolutely know it's about political retribution.
And also in the middle segment - younger people already fear other people. The horde might be out of touch on this one - we are *years* beyond the point where young adults started being terrified of others because of wokeness, the potential for cancellation, and favored victim groups having a blank check for obnoxious behavior, bullying, and - increasingly - assaulting and raping people. Schools and colleges these days are horrific.
They are training people younger than middle age to fear other people.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - CTCCTCGGCGGGCACGTAG at February 06, 2022 12:58 PM (CM8Oa)"
Not really. The really dumb parts of the population generally aren't going to fear shit. The fear stuff is only aimed at a specific portion of the midwits, and even then many lefties and non-lefties alike understand this is all about political retribution. The smarter ones absolutely know it's about political retribution.
And also in the middle segment - younger people already fear other people. The horde might be out of touch on this one - we are *years* beyond the point where young adults started being terrified of others because of wokeness, the potential for cancellation, and favored victim groups having a blank check for obnoxious behavior, bullying, and - increasingly - assaulting and raping people. Schools and colleges these days are horrific.
Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at February 06, 2022 01:07 PM (CKXPc)
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If this is all they want, they are truly sad cases indeed.
Posted by: Tom Servo
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Have you taken a look at what is culturally relevant nowadays?
Materialism and self.
Posted by: Tom Servo
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Have you taken a look at what is culturally relevant nowadays?
Materialism and self.
Posted by: SMH At God's mercy at February 06, 2022 01:07 PM (RU4sa)
147
For me, this whole debacle has been about risk/reward. I've not been sick since the coof came on the scene but I understand that could change tomorrow. Knock on wood. The bottom line is that I've had an almost instinctual aversion to how this has all gone down, both medically and politically. The fervor to obtain universal compliance on the part of 'my betters' gives me the willies. Therefore, I shall rely on the immune system that my Maker so benevolently provided me with.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at February 06, 2022 01:07 PM (Xrfse)
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Can they make the body create specific known proteins., like those that suppress cancer metastasis?
https://tinyurl.com/25y8h2wh
https://tinyurl.com/25y8h2wh
Posted by: Javems at February 06, 2022 01:07 PM (AmoqO)
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>>>prudence would dictate a measured approach for an emerging technology rather than a "full speed ahead" philosophy
This echoes, for me, a very sober statement that I saw on the same general topic the other day:
"many current [Covid-19 pandemic] protocols are from medical professionals who focus exclusively on infectious diseases, rather than public health"
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/04/harvard-
medical-professor-says-its-time-to-move-on-from-
pandemic-.html
This echoes, for me, a very sober statement that I saw on the same general topic the other day:
"many current [Covid-19 pandemic] protocols are from medical professionals who focus exclusively on infectious diseases, rather than public health"
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/04/harvard-
medical-professor-says-its-time-to-move-on-from-
pandemic-.html
Posted by: m at February 06, 2022 01:07 PM (tye8P)
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They are training people older than middle age to fear death.
They are training people younger than middle age to fear other people.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - CTCCTCGGCGGGCACGTAG at February 06, 2022 12:58 PM (CM8Oa)
As the old saying goes, I fear no man and only one woman.
Well, maybe two women...if Nurse is armed and pissed off. I've seen her shoot.
They are training people younger than middle age to fear other people.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - CTCCTCGGCGGGCACGTAG at February 06, 2022 12:58 PM (CM8Oa)
As the old saying goes, I fear no man and only one woman.
Well, maybe two women...if Nurse is armed and pissed off. I've seen her shoot.
Posted by: Diogenes at February 06, 2022 01:08 PM (axyOa)
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Virulent subtype B
VB as opposed to VD, the disease not the Day.
new death virus
It never ends with these people. Paging Dr. Fauci....
VB as opposed to VD, the disease not the Day.
new death virus
It never ends with these people. Paging Dr. Fauci....
Posted by: torabora at February 06, 2022 01:08 PM (Y274z)
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he fervor to obtain universal compliance on the part of 'my betters' gives me the willies. Therefore, I shall rely on the immune system that my Maker so benevolently provided me with.
Posted by: Notorious BFD
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Yep, same here.
Tomorrow is never promised, and if He calls me home tonight, I have no problem with that.
Posted by: Notorious BFD
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Yep, same here.
Tomorrow is never promised, and if He calls me home tonight, I have no problem with that.
Posted by: SMH At God's mercy at February 06, 2022 01:08 PM (RU4sa)
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One thing that was most eye opening to me was the vaxxine conversation showing how much the entire medical industry is based on a foundation of abortion and torture (the organs had to be removed while the baby was still alive, causing the death of the child):
"Thanks to Dr. Lisa Gilbert, MD, for pointing me in this direction and sharing her research on the topic. She summarized her findings, "I believe all the Top Twenty medications prescribed in the US are tested on HEK293."
https://tinyurl.com/mryxb76y
"Thanks to Dr. Lisa Gilbert, MD, for pointing me in this direction and sharing her research on the topic. She summarized her findings, "I believe all the Top Twenty medications prescribed in the US are tested on HEK293."
https://tinyurl.com/mryxb76y
Posted by: Moron Robbie - CTCCTCGGCGGGCACGTAG at February 06, 2022 01:09 PM (CM8Oa)
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Have you taken a look at what is culturally relevant nowadays?
Materialism and self.
Posted by: SMH At God's mercy at February 06, 2022 01:07 PM (RU4sa)
If we are to be honest, that has always been the case except for a few brief historical moments. Just as true 2000 years ago as today. (as far as the Dominant Culture was concerned) Christianity, when it is doing what it is supposed to be doing, is *always* a counter-culture movement.
Have you taken a look at what is culturally relevant nowadays?
Materialism and self.
Posted by: SMH At God's mercy at February 06, 2022 01:07 PM (RU4sa)
If we are to be honest, that has always been the case except for a few brief historical moments. Just as true 2000 years ago as today. (as far as the Dominant Culture was concerned) Christianity, when it is doing what it is supposed to be doing, is *always* a counter-culture movement.
Posted by: Tom Servo at February 06, 2022 01:10 PM (evAgx)
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RCMP:
"Remove your trucks yourselves now ... or ... you will be forfeiting the trucks to the Crown and those associated with those trucks will be arrested."
https://www.thedeclarationofliberty.org/declarationreport
"Remove your trucks yourselves now ... or ... you will be forfeiting the trucks to the Crown and those associated with those trucks will be arrested."
https://www.thedeclarationofliberty.org/declarationreport
Posted by: SMH At God's mercy at February 06, 2022 01:11 PM (RU4sa)
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"Remove your trucks yourselves now ... or ... you will be forfeiting the trucks to the Crown and those associated with those trucks will be arrested."
*
Do it. Idle slowly, 5mph, back and forth, for weeks.
Obey their law.
*
Do it. Idle slowly, 5mph, back and forth, for weeks.
Obey their law.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - CTCCTCGGCGGGCACGTAG at February 06, 2022 01:12 PM (CM8Oa)
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132 They are training people to fear death. Christians need not fear death. Instead we all should fear the one who can destroy both body and soul.
Those who hate their life will gain it. Those who love their life will loose it.
Posted by: Paul in Texas
Let me guess. You still wore the mask and took the "vaccine", didn't you?
Those who hate their life will gain it. Those who love their life will loose it.
Posted by: Paul in Texas
Let me guess. You still wore the mask and took the "vaccine", didn't you?
Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at February 06, 2022 01:12 PM (Fs5vw)
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If we are to be honest, that has always been the case except for a few brief historical moments. Just as true 2000 years ago as today. (as far as the Dominant Culture was concerned) Christianity, when it is doing what it is supposed to be doing, is *always* a counter-culture movement.
Posted by: Tom Servo
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Good point.
I have no problem being counter-culture.
Posted by: Tom Servo
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Good point.
I have no problem being counter-culture.
Posted by: SMH At God's mercy at February 06, 2022 01:12 PM (RU4sa)
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Thanks for the kind words and active input from various points of view, y'all. I'm sure CBD will be along shortly with some First World Problems to gnaw on.
Endeavour to Persevere!
Endeavour to Persevere!
Posted by: Muldoon at February 06, 2022 01:12 PM (m45I2)
Posted by: SMH At God's mercy at February 06, 2022 01:13 PM (RU4sa)
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Muldoon, easily your worst limerick so far. But seriously thanks, great stuff.
Question about immediate issues, not the future: have you kept up with the actual data regarding efficacy of these C19 vaccines?
I sort of gave up on the whole thing just before they were rolled out in 2021. My (possibly erroneous) impression goes something like this:
Trials show prevention of transmission. Well, looks like things fade after 216 days (Israeli data). Hmmm, looks like transmission is not prevented. Hey, it's a therapeutic, reduces severity of cases! Hmm, third shot doesn't seem to make much difference. Overall - what's the difference between a "pandemic" with, or without, these vaccines, in terms of final score - best as can be gleaned, difference not readily apparent.
Question about immediate issues, not the future: have you kept up with the actual data regarding efficacy of these C19 vaccines?
I sort of gave up on the whole thing just before they were rolled out in 2021. My (possibly erroneous) impression goes something like this:
Trials show prevention of transmission. Well, looks like things fade after 216 days (Israeli data). Hmmm, looks like transmission is not prevented. Hey, it's a therapeutic, reduces severity of cases! Hmm, third shot doesn't seem to make much difference. Overall - what's the difference between a "pandemic" with, or without, these vaccines, in terms of final score - best as can be gleaned, difference not readily apparent.
Posted by: rhomboid at February 06, 2022 01:13 PM (OTzUX)
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Do it. Idle slowly, 5mph, back and forth, for weeks.
Obey their law.
Posted by: Moron Robbie
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Heh.
Obey their law.
Posted by: Moron Robbie
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Heh.
Posted by: SMH At God's mercy at February 06, 2022 01:14 PM (RU4sa)
163
Was at a watering hole last night and they had the olympics on the boob tube.
I enjoyed watching the women's snowboarding as I cheered when one of them would wipe out.
I enjoyed watching the women's snowboarding as I cheered when one of them would wipe out.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 06, 2022 01:14 PM (R/m4+)
Posted by: JT at February 06, 2022 01:14 PM (arJlL)
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Muldoon,
Thanks for an excellent layman's (raises hand) of what Mrna is supposed to do and possible concerns.
Thanks for an excellent layman's (raises hand) of what Mrna is supposed to do and possible concerns.
Posted by: JTB at February 06, 2022 01:14 PM (7EjX1)
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23 I never had a flu Vax so never was going to be quick getting the Fake Vax.
Posted by: Skip at February 06, 2022 12:14 PM (2JoB
This is me, exactly.
Posted by: Skip at February 06, 2022 12:14 PM (2JoB
This is me, exactly.
Posted by: m at February 06, 2022 01:14 PM (tye8P)
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I'm with Notorious BFD on this. I was still on the fence about the covid vaccines when Biden came with his mandate EO. Well I don't understand the medical details but I know the senile pervert has desire only to harm me and other deplorables; if he is trying to goad me to do something, I need to resist it.
Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at February 06, 2022 01:15 PM (3cGpq)
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Make that mRNA.
Posted by: JTB at February 06, 2022 01:15 PM (7EjX1)
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I never had a flu Vax so never was going to be quick getting the Fake Vax.
Posted by: Skip
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Had the flu vax in the Army, last one in 2008.
Have not taken the clot shot.
Posted by: Skip
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Had the flu vax in the Army, last one in 2008.
Have not taken the clot shot.
Posted by: SMH At God's mercy at February 06, 2022 01:15 PM (RU4sa)
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Agree they are teaching fear, worse is to children and teenagers who usually do stupid and reckless things (I know I did) without fear of injury.
Posted by: Skip at February 06, 2022 01:15 PM (2JoB8)
171
Which TV shows do most bars display?
Posted by: Humphreyrobot at February 06, 2022 01:15 PM (iwAcy)
172
27 I believe it has been a great strategic error for the Drug companies to attempt to change the language and call these "vaccines" - which they are not. They are Gene Therapy. There was a chance to get people to accept them honestly by explaining what they were; but instead they attempted to change the language and make people accept them as some kind of medical science that was already well established.
The problem is that as people increasingly realize that this was a lie, trust in the entire medical establishment collapses. They have traded away their long term credibility for the chance at a short term "win" (and a big, if temporary , profit)
Posted by: Tom Servo at February 06, 2022 12:17 PM (evAgx)
Nice summary, Tom Servo.
The problem is that as people increasingly realize that this was a lie, trust in the entire medical establishment collapses. They have traded away their long term credibility for the chance at a short term "win" (and a big, if temporary , profit)
Posted by: Tom Servo at February 06, 2022 12:17 PM (evAgx)
Nice summary, Tom Servo.
Posted by: m at February 06, 2022 01:16 PM (tye8P)
Posted by: Notorious BFD at February 06, 2022 01:16 PM (Xrfse)
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"Thanks to Dr. Lisa Gilbert, MD, for pointing me in this direction and sharing her research on the topic. She summarized her findings, "I believe all the Top Twenty medications prescribed in the US are tested on HEK293."
https://tinyurl.com/mryxb76y
Posted by: Moron Robbie -
So aspirin is on that list - which makes no sense as aspirin has been around since the 19th century. So it looks like the list is conflating existing drugs that are used in tests that use fetal cells and drugs that are use tests on fetal during their development and approval process.
https://tinyurl.com/mryxb76y
Posted by: Moron Robbie -
So aspirin is on that list - which makes no sense as aspirin has been around since the 19th century. So it looks like the list is conflating existing drugs that are used in tests that use fetal cells and drugs that are use tests on fetal during their development and approval process.
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at February 06, 2022 01:16 PM (lCui1)
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The problem is that as people increasingly realize that this was a lie, trust in the entire medical establishment collapses. They have traded away their long term credibility for the chance at a short term "win" (and a big, if temporary , profit)
Posted by: Tom Servo
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Yep.
Posted by: Tom Servo
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Yep.
Posted by: SMH At God's mercy at February 06, 2022 01:17 PM (RU4sa)
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Overall - what's the difference between a "pandemic" with, or without, these vaccines, in terms of final score - best as can be gleaned, difference not readily apparent.
Posted by: rhomboid
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Like you, I have found the data to be so convoluted as to be not worth trying to follow closely. Sort of like discussions on how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. I can't draw any substantial conclusions.
Posted by: rhomboid
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Like you, I have found the data to be so convoluted as to be not worth trying to follow closely. Sort of like discussions on how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. I can't draw any substantial conclusions.
Posted by: Muldoon at February 06, 2022 01:17 PM (m45I2)
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Still wondering if I had it, if only because wife did ( 3 day fever, body aches weeks later still, minor chest congestion, ) and only way is outside product transfer or me, yet I had sinus issues and minor chest congestion and that's it.
Posted by: Skip at February 06, 2022 01:18 PM (2JoB8)
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The Right of the People to be free of medical intervention shall not be infringed.
28th Amendment
I've thought about it a bunch and I like it more everyday.
28th Amendment
I've thought about it a bunch and I like it more everyday.
Posted by: torabora at February 06, 2022 01:19 PM (Y274z)
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"Remove your trucks yourselves now ... or ... you will be forfeiting the trucks to the Crown and those associated with those trucks will be arrested."
Heh. Things are getting interesting.
Heh. Things are getting interesting.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at February 06, 2022 01:19 PM (Xrfse)
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Another moron summed it up for me a few weeks ago.
You start out asking, then demanding, then threatening me and my family, and then angrily telling me I'm going to lose my job and my kids won't eat if I don't get the shot that I can see with my own eyes isn't accomplishing anything anywhere, and worse - like Israel - appears to be promoting the spread of the virus?
Watch me dig in, motherf*ckers.
You start out asking, then demanding, then threatening me and my family, and then angrily telling me I'm going to lose my job and my kids won't eat if I don't get the shot that I can see with my own eyes isn't accomplishing anything anywhere, and worse - like Israel - appears to be promoting the spread of the virus?
Watch me dig in, motherf*ckers.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - CTCCTCGGCGGGCACGTAG at February 06, 2022 01:19 PM (CM8Oa)
Posted by: klaftern at February 06, 2022 01:20 PM (taPSh)
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Still wondering if I had it, if only because wife did ( 3 day fever, body aches weeks later still, minor chest congestion, ) and only way is outside product transfer or me, yet I had sinus issues and minor chest congestion and that's it.
Posted by: Skip
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We've either all been exposed to it (multiple times, honestly), or it's not as contagious as we keep being told it is.
It can't be both.
Posted by: Skip
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We've either all been exposed to it (multiple times, honestly), or it's not as contagious as we keep being told it is.
It can't be both.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - CTCCTCGGCGGGCACGTAG at February 06, 2022 01:20 PM (CM8Oa)
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Thanks for the kind words and active input from various points of view, y'all. I'm sure CBD will be along shortly with some First World Problems to gnaw on.
Endeavour to Persevere!
Posted by: Muldoon
Is he bringing maple syrup ?
Endeavour to Persevere!
Posted by: Muldoon
Is he bringing maple syrup ?
Posted by: JT at February 06, 2022 01:21 PM (arJlL)
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Heh. Things are getting interesting.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at February 06
They try that and most trucks in Canada will park.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at February 06
They try that and most trucks in Canada will park.
Posted by: I Mean at February 06, 2022 01:21 PM (5mZga)
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Thanks Muldoon (and BTW I hadn't read your comment about "worst limerick evah!" before using just that predictable line ....).
Here's one key specific one for me. CDC and the other usual suspects pushing, very hard, the comparisons of vaxxed vs. other hospitalization (maybe mortality too, don't remember).
Looked at the first such claim, there was really nothing to make it interesting, to me - that is, was the unvaxxed group a suitable control group for the vaccinated? Health condition, age (two biggest correlations)? Just: vaxxed X times less likely to see a hospital bed.
Could be me, maybe it was there, but my impression is that these are possibly indicative but also possibly very misleading gross numbers being used, for non-comparable cohorts, to push the therapeutic-efficacy angle.
Here's one key specific one for me. CDC and the other usual suspects pushing, very hard, the comparisons of vaxxed vs. other hospitalization (maybe mortality too, don't remember).
Looked at the first such claim, there was really nothing to make it interesting, to me - that is, was the unvaxxed group a suitable control group for the vaccinated? Health condition, age (two biggest correlations)? Just: vaxxed X times less likely to see a hospital bed.
Could be me, maybe it was there, but my impression is that these are possibly indicative but also possibly very misleading gross numbers being used, for non-comparable cohorts, to push the therapeutic-efficacy angle.
Posted by: rhomboid at February 06, 2022 01:22 PM (OTzUX)
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So aspirin is on that list - which makes no sense as aspirin has been around since the 19th century. So it looks like the list is conflating existing drugs that are used in tests that use fetal cells and drugs that are use tests on fetal during their development and approval process.
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion
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Yep. That's the "industry" part. If it has to be tested - and one has to assume the government requires that if you want to sell it - then that's probably the key.
You can buy non-tested aspirin I would think. Or homemade, maybe. But they're probably illegal.
Want to sell it? It has to be at the expense of that tortured, murdered baby.
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion
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Yep. That's the "industry" part. If it has to be tested - and one has to assume the government requires that if you want to sell it - then that's probably the key.
You can buy non-tested aspirin I would think. Or homemade, maybe. But they're probably illegal.
Want to sell it? It has to be at the expense of that tortured, murdered baby.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - CTCCTCGGCGGGCACGTAG at February 06, 2022 01:23 PM (CM8Oa)
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The obsession with COVID19
And the climate of fear are obscene
But big money still flows
And pols' power still grows
So they'll keep the "crisis" evergreen
And the climate of fear are obscene
But big money still flows
And pols' power still grows
So they'll keep the "crisis" evergreen
Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. at February 06, 2022 01:24 PM (II3Gr)
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They are as we write comments here tossing out any military personnel refusing to get the Fake Vax and punishing them with their discharge.
Posted by: Skip at February 06, 2022 01:24 PM (2JoB8)
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Good point.
I have no problem being counter-culture.
Posted by: SMH
Nor I. I think it's pretty cool actually.
I have no problem being counter-culture.
Posted by: SMH
Nor I. I think it's pretty cool actually.
Posted by: Tonypete at February 06, 2022 01:25 PM (mD/uy)
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So aspirin is on that list - which makes no sense as aspirin has been around since the 19th century. So it looks like the list is conflating existing drugs that are used in tests that use fetal cells and drugs that are use tests on fetal during their development and approval process.
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at February 06, 2022 01:16 PM (lCui1)
Aspirin? They figured that one out by extracting salicylates from willow bark, IIRC.
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at February 06, 2022 01:16 PM (lCui1)
Aspirin? They figured that one out by extracting salicylates from willow bark, IIRC.
Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. at February 06, 2022 01:25 PM (II3Gr)
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Speaking as the 1 in a million genetic lottery winner. "Faster please". Though the damage has been done. Neurons once damaged or dead dont grow back well. Looking at an MRI 20 years old shows damage to my cerebellum.. Maybe my son and his children will be helped.
Posted by: USNtakim deplorable still. at February 06, 2022 01:25 PM (0OmEj)
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They are as we write comments here tossing out any military personnel refusing to get the Fake Vax and punishing them with their discharge.
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IIRC they've granted zero religious exemptions.
It would be interesting to know how many openly mentally ill cross-dressers are in the same military.
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IIRC they've granted zero religious exemptions.
It would be interesting to know how many openly mentally ill cross-dressers are in the same military.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - CTCCTCGGCGGGCACGTAG at February 06, 2022 01:26 PM (CM8Oa)
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Good point.
I have no problem being counter-culture.
Posted by: SMH
Nor I. I think it's pretty cool actually.
Posted by: Tonypete at February 06, 2022 01:25 PM (mD/uy)
Groovy!
I have no problem being counter-culture.
Posted by: SMH
Nor I. I think it's pretty cool actually.
Posted by: Tonypete at February 06, 2022 01:25 PM (mD/uy)
Groovy!
Posted by: Diogenes at February 06, 2022 01:26 PM (axyOa)
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Sort of related. Prayer request for a non horde friend. The family all had covid. Her DH had a quite minor initial illness but is having 'long covid' or possibly now has an unrelated case of pneumonia, is getting lung scarring and is very sick.
So if you pray please include prayers for healing for Ted, and guidance for his docs to figure out what is going on. I'm quite distant from this and no medical knowledge but wonder if docs are possibly too focused on covid since he had it and may be missing the current issue but she said he is on 7 prescriptions so that sounds like they are doing a broad spectrum treatment.
So if you pray please include prayers for healing for Ted, and guidance for his docs to figure out what is going on. I'm quite distant from this and no medical knowledge but wonder if docs are possibly too focused on covid since he had it and may be missing the current issue but she said he is on 7 prescriptions so that sounds like they are doing a broad spectrum treatment.
Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at February 06, 2022 01:26 PM (3cGpq)
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Which is all to say that the world has been in a medical trial without their informed consent in the hope that the mRNA technology will expedite future treatments and give vast sums to Big Pharma.
Call me cynical but it seems to me that vast profits almost beyond imagining is certainly an incentive to fudge on research results.
You can't make generational wealth with breaking a few eggs.
Call me cynical but it seems to me that vast profits almost beyond imagining is certainly an incentive to fudge on research results.
You can't make generational wealth with breaking a few eggs.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 06, 2022 01:26 PM (yQpMk)
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Could be me, maybe it was there, but my impression is that these are possibly indicative but also possibly very misleading gross numbers being used, for non-comparable cohorts, to push the therapeutic-efficacy angle.
Posted by: rhomboid at February 06, 2022 01:22 PM (OTzUX)
This is the maddening thing about the data being pimped by the CDC and the various politicians. They are comparing the proverbial apples and oranges, and they know it.
comparing vaxxed vs. unvaxxed right now is statistically meaningless. As you point out, the cohorts are very, very different.
Posted by: rhomboid at February 06, 2022 01:22 PM (OTzUX)
This is the maddening thing about the data being pimped by the CDC and the various politicians. They are comparing the proverbial apples and oranges, and they know it.
comparing vaxxed vs. unvaxxed right now is statistically meaningless. As you point out, the cohorts are very, very different.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 06, 2022 01:26 PM (XIJ/X)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 06, 2022 01:27 PM (yQpMk)
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Which is all to say that the world has been in a medical trial without their informed consent in the hope that the mRNA technology will expedite future treatments and give vast sums to Big Pharma.
Call me cynical but it seems to me that vast profits almost beyond imagining is certainly an incentive to fudge on research results.
You can't make generational wealth with breaking a few eggs.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 06, 2022 01:26 PM (yQpMk)
Or waiting 75 years for the drug companies' research results.
Call me cynical but it seems to me that vast profits almost beyond imagining is certainly an incentive to fudge on research results.
You can't make generational wealth with breaking a few eggs.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 06, 2022 01:26 PM (yQpMk)
Or waiting 75 years for the drug companies' research results.
Posted by: Napoleon XIV at February 06, 2022 01:28 PM (AiZBA)
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Good point.
I have no problem being counter-culture.
Posted by: SMH
Nor I. I think it's pretty cool actually.
Posted by: Tonypete at February 06, 2022 01:25 PM (mD/uy)
Groovy!
Posted by: Diogenes at February 06, 2022 01:26 PM (axyOa)
We can dig it.
I have no problem being counter-culture.
Posted by: SMH
Nor I. I think it's pretty cool actually.
Posted by: Tonypete at February 06, 2022 01:25 PM (mD/uy)
Groovy!
Posted by: Diogenes at February 06, 2022 01:26 PM (axyOa)
We can dig it.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 06, 2022 01:28 PM (yQpMk)
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191 Speaking as the 1 in a million genetic lottery winner. "Faster please". Though the damage has been done. Neurons once damaged or dead dont grow back well. Looking at an MRI 20 years old shows damage to my cerebellum.. Maybe my son and his children will be helped.
Posted by: USNtakim deplorable still. at February 06, 2022 01:25 PM (0OmEj)
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I'm ready for Musk the get that Neuralink show on the road.
Posted by: USNtakim deplorable still. at February 06, 2022 01:25 PM (0OmEj)
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I'm ready for Musk the get that Neuralink show on the road.
Posted by: Braenyard at February 06, 2022 01:28 PM (7vRxf)
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You can't make generational wealth with breaking a few eggs.
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If Ben Rothlesberger (whatever) were here he'd point out the reproductive joke right there.
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If Ben Rothlesberger (whatever) were here he'd point out the reproductive joke right there.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - CTCCTCGGCGGGCACGTAG at February 06, 2022 01:29 PM (CM8Oa)
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You start out asking, then demanding, then threatening me and my family, and then angrily telling me I'm going to lose my job and my kids won't eat if I don't get the shot that I can see with my own eyes isn't accomplishing anything anywhere, and worse - like Israel - appears to be promoting the spread of the virus?
Posted by: Moron Robbie
Not only Israel. There are very good numbers from the UK, where the data recorded has been pretty honest. Their numbers are now showing a NEGATIVE effect from the vaccination.
I think the AstaZeneca vaccine, as is the J&J (Jansen) vaccine are mDNA vaccines. The mDNA vaccines have a double strand, and are thus more stable at "warmer temperatures" (instead of being stored at -70 for the mRNA vaccines). The J&J vaccine has the mDNA strand attached to a adenovirus molecule to permit entry into the cell.
Posted by: Moron Robbie
Not only Israel. There are very good numbers from the UK, where the data recorded has been pretty honest. Their numbers are now showing a NEGATIVE effect from the vaccination.
I think the AstaZeneca vaccine, as is the J&J (Jansen) vaccine are mDNA vaccines. The mDNA vaccines have a double strand, and are thus more stable at "warmer temperatures" (instead of being stored at -70 for the mRNA vaccines). The J&J vaccine has the mDNA strand attached to a adenovirus molecule to permit entry into the cell.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative.....nic at night at February 06, 2022 01:29 PM (tjZg/)
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You can buy non-tested aspirin I would think. Or homemade, maybe. But they're probably illegal.
Want to sell it? It has to be at the expense of that tortured, murdered baby.
Posted by: Moron Robbie -
Is that it? Because the links to aspirin just show testing for research purposes, for newer uses
1. Acetylsalicylic acid enhances tachyphylaxis of repetitive capsaicin responses in TRPV1-GFP expressing HEK293 cells
2. A genome-wide screen for human salicylic acid (SA)-binding proteins reveals targets through which SA may influence development of various diseases
I don't think they test against fetal cells for manufacturing an existing drug - that makes no sense. The author is simply trying to shame Christians into compliance by falsely painting all drugs with abortion
Want to sell it? It has to be at the expense of that tortured, murdered baby.
Posted by: Moron Robbie -
Is that it? Because the links to aspirin just show testing for research purposes, for newer uses
1. Acetylsalicylic acid enhances tachyphylaxis of repetitive capsaicin responses in TRPV1-GFP expressing HEK293 cells
2. A genome-wide screen for human salicylic acid (SA)-binding proteins reveals targets through which SA may influence development of various diseases
I don't think they test against fetal cells for manufacturing an existing drug - that makes no sense. The author is simply trying to shame Christians into compliance by falsely painting all drugs with abortion
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at February 06, 2022 01:29 PM (lCui1)
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It's like saying, since water is used to drown people, drinking water is evil
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at February 06, 2022 01:30 PM (lCui1)
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Right. The mRNA vaccines produce just the single protein, the spike protein. Natural immunity also includes T-cell recognition and response to other portions of the virus' structure.
To me is would be analogous to developing facial recognition software that only looks at the nose, rather than the complete facial structure.
Posted by: Muldoon at February 06, 2022 12:17 PM (m45I2)
And the problem is that the spike protein itself is one of the harmful toxins produced by a CV-19 infection, and causes a large part of the resulting damage. So causing the body of a vaxx recipient to make their own spike protein creates the risk of causing some of the same damage that an infection causes. And it seems that it is not possible to reliably induce the creation of only a safely tiny amount of the spike protein. You might get none, a little bit, or a lethal dose, and it's a crap shoot.
To me is would be analogous to developing facial recognition software that only looks at the nose, rather than the complete facial structure.
Posted by: Muldoon at February 06, 2022 12:17 PM (m45I2)
And the problem is that the spike protein itself is one of the harmful toxins produced by a CV-19 infection, and causes a large part of the resulting damage. So causing the body of a vaxx recipient to make their own spike protein creates the risk of causing some of the same damage that an infection causes. And it seems that it is not possible to reliably induce the creation of only a safely tiny amount of the spike protein. You might get none, a little bit, or a lethal dose, and it's a crap shoot.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 06, 2022 01:31 PM (P3gRi)
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I don't think they test against fetal cells for manufacturing an existing drug - that makes no sense. The author is simply trying to shame Christians into compliance by falsely painting all drugs with abortion
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion
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I'm fine taking aspirin off the list if you'd like.
That only leaves what, two million other drugs and basically every modern medical procedure and the human genome project and anything it's involved with, I guess.
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion
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I'm fine taking aspirin off the list if you'd like.
That only leaves what, two million other drugs and basically every modern medical procedure and the human genome project and anything it's involved with, I guess.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - CTCCTCGGCGGGCACGTAG at February 06, 2022 01:31 PM (CM8Oa)
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No and no.
Posted by: SMH At God's mercy at February 06, 2022 01:13 PM (RU4sa)
Same here. But God gifted me this life, and I'm going to live it as joyously and freely as long as I can. I have faith that God will carry on with his goodness when I'm on the other side of the grass. As long as I let him guide me in this world, I have faith he'll guide me in the next.
No and no.
Posted by: SMH At God's mercy at February 06, 2022 01:13 PM (RU4sa)
Same here. But God gifted me this life, and I'm going to live it as joyously and freely as long as I can. I have faith that God will carry on with his goodness when I'm on the other side of the grass. As long as I let him guide me in this world, I have faith he'll guide me in the next.
Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at February 06, 2022 01:31 PM (Fs5vw)
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The prospect of getting more pay
Makes Pharma hype mRNA
With celeb endorsement
And armed fed enforcement
They'll make sure you get shots every day
Makes Pharma hype mRNA
With celeb endorsement
And armed fed enforcement
They'll make sure you get shots every day
Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. at February 06, 2022 01:32 PM (II3Gr)
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Do Pfizer and Moderna have a financial incentive to downplay (or even perhaps seek to censor) reports of adverse effects while simultaneously talking up the efficacy of their vaccines?
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We know they do. Billions and billions of dollars' worth of incentives. And we also know that their co-conspirators in Big Government and Big Tech have been aiding and abetting them in their censorship efforts -- which is why they all worked together to try and shut down Joe Rogan and keep scientists like McCullough and Malone from being heard by the public.
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We know they do. Billions and billions of dollars' worth of incentives. And we also know that their co-conspirators in Big Government and Big Tech have been aiding and abetting them in their censorship efforts -- which is why they all worked together to try and shut down Joe Rogan and keep scientists like McCullough and Malone from being heard by the public.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at February 06, 2022 01:32 PM (k4dH2)
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Groovy!
Posted by: Diogenes at February 06, 2022 01:26 PM (axyOa)
We can dig it.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 06, 2022 01:28 PM (yQpMk)
Jive turkeys.
Posted by: Diogenes at February 06, 2022 01:26 PM (axyOa)
We can dig it.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 06, 2022 01:28 PM (yQpMk)
Jive turkeys.
Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. at February 06, 2022 01:32 PM (II3Gr)
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Posted by: Moron Robbie - CTCCTCGGCGGGCACGTAG at February 06, 2022 01:31 PM (CM8Oa)
I don't doubt that some of those drugs are fruits of abortion; but I suspect that a lot are not.
The problem with dealing with leftist liars. Can't trust anything they say.
I don't doubt that some of those drugs are fruits of abortion; but I suspect that a lot are not.
The problem with dealing with leftist liars. Can't trust anything they say.
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at February 06, 2022 01:33 PM (lCui1)
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92 Seems like a timely story.
>>University That Funds Biden's Think Tank And Hosts FactCheck.Org Has Contract With BioNTech, Gets Paid For Vaccine Sales And FDA Approvals
https://tinyurl.com/2p8rv8pa
Posted by: JackStraw at February 06, 2022 12:44 PM (ZLI7S)
Biden has a think tank? Hard to tell.
>>University That Funds Biden's Think Tank And Hosts FactCheck.Org Has Contract With BioNTech, Gets Paid For Vaccine Sales And FDA Approvals
https://tinyurl.com/2p8rv8pa
Posted by: JackStraw at February 06, 2022 12:44 PM (ZLI7S)
Biden has a think tank? Hard to tell.
Posted by: m at February 06, 2022 01:33 PM (tye8P)
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One of my early reactions to the mRNA technology was "Cool! This will jumpstart some medical innovations."
I would still feel that way except for the lying and coercion surrounding the Covid shots.
I would still feel that way except for the lying and coercion surrounding the Covid shots.
Posted by: Emmie at February 06, 2022 01:33 PM (6RgRK)
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On the brightside of health matters, my brother-in-law appears to be responding to the essentially banned Covid therapy of hydroxychloroquine, corticosteroid, and azithromycin. He was able to get his doctor to prescribe it after we talked him into a 6 day run of horse paste and he showed progress whereas his pulmonary doctor's treatments, or lack there off, weren't doing shit.
Brother Mike has been able to get off continuous oxygen the last couple of days after needing it for the last three weeks.
Brother Mike has been able to get off continuous oxygen the last couple of days after needing it for the last three weeks.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 06, 2022 01:33 PM (yQpMk)
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And I'm not posting that to "shame" anyone into anything.
Only to point out how our entire medical industry was built on abortion and torture, and how it was done on purpose.
Can't have a volunteer sit and think and pray and make a serious decision for such things like the entire foundation of medicine, you know. That doesn't make everyone culpable.
Only to point out how our entire medical industry was built on abortion and torture, and how it was done on purpose.
Can't have a volunteer sit and think and pray and make a serious decision for such things like the entire foundation of medicine, you know. That doesn't make everyone culpable.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - CTCCTCGGCGGGCACGTAG at February 06, 2022 01:33 PM (CM8Oa)
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I saw Lipid Nanoparticle open for Twisted Sister at the Kingdom in Seattle before they blew it up.
Posted by: Diogenes at February 06, 2022 01:34 PM (axyOa)
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The problem with mRNA tech, is that while its SUPPOSED to stay in the muscle tissue of the arm, it does not. It travels all over your body, to other organs, like that big ole mass of muscle called your HEART.
So, you are throwing a genetic re-engineer into different cells... cells with different strengths, weaknesses, and missions, and doing so with 'fast track' testing.
Dr. Faucistein approves of this monster, of course.
So, you are throwing a genetic re-engineer into different cells... cells with different strengths, weaknesses, and missions, and doing so with 'fast track' testing.
Dr. Faucistein approves of this monster, of course.
Posted by: Romeo13 at February 06, 2022 01:34 PM (oHd/0)
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Biden has a think tank? Hard to tell.
Posted by: m at February 06, 2022 01:33 PM (tye8P)
No, it's Biden thinks he's a tank engine.
Toot tooooot!
Posted by: m at February 06, 2022 01:33 PM (tye8P)
No, it's Biden thinks he's a tank engine.
Toot tooooot!
Posted by: Napoleon XIV at February 06, 2022 01:35 PM (AiZBA)
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>>>I don't think they test against fetal cells for manufacturing an existing drug - that makes no sense. The author is simply trying to shame Christians into compliance by falsely painting all drugs with abortion
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at February 06, 2022 01:29 PM (lCui1)
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Don't want to miss out on fame or some good graft money.
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at February 06, 2022 01:29 PM (lCui1)
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Don't want to miss out on fame or some good graft money.
Posted by: Braenyard at February 06, 2022 01:35 PM (7vRxf)
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As god as my witness I thought jive turkeys could fly!
Posted by: Just the punch line at February 06, 2022 01:35 PM (0OmEj)
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Biden has a think tank? Hard to tell.
Posted by: m at February 06, 2022 01:33 PM (tye8P)
His Depends are stink tank.
Posted by: m at February 06, 2022 01:33 PM (tye8P)
His Depends are stink tank.
Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. at February 06, 2022 01:36 PM (II3Gr)
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A Biden think tank. Let that sink in.
Posted by: Blutarski at February 06, 2022 01:36 PM (5BiAI)
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aha! Life site news is there before me
https://tinyurl.com/asxns7yw
Debunking the lie that all medicines were tested on fetal cells
Part I of a firm, and extensive rebuttal of Fr. Matthew Schneider's claims regarding the moral quality and abortion connection of many commonly used medicines.
https://tinyurl.com/asxns7yw
Debunking the lie that all medicines were tested on fetal cells
Part I of a firm, and extensive rebuttal of Fr. Matthew Schneider's claims regarding the moral quality and abortion connection of many commonly used medicines.
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at February 06, 2022 01:37 PM (lCui1)
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Insomniac well done
Posted by: Skip at February 06, 2022 01:37 PM (2JoB8)
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Only to point out how our entire medical industry was built on abortion and torture, and how it was done on purpose.
Why, its almost like it was a plan or something...but that's conspiracy stuff.
Why, its almost like it was a plan or something...but that's conspiracy stuff.
Posted by: The Talking Head from N.I.C.E at February 06, 2022 01:38 PM (ESjRY)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 06, 2022 01:38 PM (yQpMk)
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Well the truckers found another funding avenue so they can be there for the long haul. The Cops aren't doing anything, whether by design or incompetence so it's literally a stalemate. If they call in the military it's game over man and everyone knows it.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at February 06, 2022 12:25 PM (bVYXr)
There is a border blockade currently at Milk River, Alberta. Vast crowds of people in vehicles, on foot, and on horseback. And the actual blockade is made up of Sherriffs' vehicles! Alberta "Sherriffs" are members of the civil service union, which is, of course, Leftist. But the RCMP is also there, reinforcing the blockade, but occasionally allowing a few trucks through. Weird, but no real confrontation. The whole aim of this exercise is to demand that the United Conservative Party of Alberta vote non-confidence in Premier Jason Kenney (who is a shitweasel), and end immediately all Alberta covid mandates.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at February 06, 2022 12:25 PM (bVYXr)
There is a border blockade currently at Milk River, Alberta. Vast crowds of people in vehicles, on foot, and on horseback. And the actual blockade is made up of Sherriffs' vehicles! Alberta "Sherriffs" are members of the civil service union, which is, of course, Leftist. But the RCMP is also there, reinforcing the blockade, but occasionally allowing a few trucks through. Weird, but no real confrontation. The whole aim of this exercise is to demand that the United Conservative Party of Alberta vote non-confidence in Premier Jason Kenney (who is a shitweasel), and end immediately all Alberta covid mandates.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 06, 2022 01:39 PM (P3gRi)
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Has anyone ever proven that the "vaccine" makes the illness "less severe?" Some folks get really ill and others not so much, so how in hell would you know which are which?
It's really a load of manure.
It's really a load of manure.
Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at February 06, 2022 01:40 PM (eKvjl)
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(ZLI7S)
Biden has a think tank? Hard to tell.
Posted by: m at February 06, 2022 01:33 PM (tye8P)
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It looks like a hot tub but they call it the think tank.
Biden has a think tank? Hard to tell.
Posted by: m at February 06, 2022 01:33 PM (tye8P)
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It looks like a hot tub but they call it the think tank.
Posted by: Braenyard at February 06, 2022 01:41 PM (7vRxf)
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You can be sure that any flood of refugees coming south will be met with all the force that is not being used on the southern border.
Posted by: Fox2! at February 06, 2022 12:29 PM (qyH+l)
Heh! I am already here.
Posted by: Fox2! at February 06, 2022 12:29 PM (qyH+l)
Heh! I am already here.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 06, 2022 01:41 PM (P3gRi)
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Yikes. Just tried to donate to the Freedom Convoy 2022 at GiveSendGo. The transaction did not go well. Just timed out. They are obviously still not equipped to handle this. Don't want to discourage anyone else from trying, though.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at February 06, 2022 01:42 PM (Xrfse)
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AOP, love that Alberta-centric strategery going on. 2 provinces already threw in the towel on the kabuki disaster, right? Though Alberta was one of them?
Anyway, sounds very Canadian there at the border.
This whole time, with the Ottawa goings-on, I've been chuckling at the concept of a "Canadian riot", an amusing counter-intuitive concept and phrase that just don't work.
Polite culture, eh.
Anyway, sounds very Canadian there at the border.
This whole time, with the Ottawa goings-on, I've been chuckling at the concept of a "Canadian riot", an amusing counter-intuitive concept and phrase that just don't work.
Polite culture, eh.
Posted by: rhomboid at February 06, 2022 01:42 PM (OTzUX)
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https://tinyurl.com/asxns7yw
Debunking the lie that all medicines were tested on fetal cells
Part I of a firm, and extensive rebuttal of Fr. Matthew Schneider's claims regarding the moral quality and abortion connection of many commonly used medicines.
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion
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Thanks. It's unfortunate that everything is a point/counterpoint argumentative sort of thing ("The Catholic is in no way culpable for any sin using the clinical information (i.e., data from studies on humans)..."
I don't want to read what someone online thinks sin is or isn't. I just want to read information.
Thanks again for the link.
Debunking the lie that all medicines were tested on fetal cells
Part I of a firm, and extensive rebuttal of Fr. Matthew Schneider's claims regarding the moral quality and abortion connection of many commonly used medicines.
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion
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Thanks. It's unfortunate that everything is a point/counterpoint argumentative sort of thing ("The Catholic is in no way culpable for any sin using the clinical information (i.e., data from studies on humans)..."
I don't want to read what someone online thinks sin is or isn't. I just want to read information.
Thanks again for the link.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - CTCCTCGGCGGGCACGTAG at February 06, 2022 01:43 PM (CM8Oa)
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I have a somewhat personal request for folks here. As some of you know my aunt died last year and we bros have been working to clean out and get her house sold. We're reaching the deadline of "finished" and we still have a major problem.
She had all the china that her parents and grandparents (my grand and great-grandparents) had collected over the years, some truly beautiful stuff in a beautiful hutch overlooking the dining area.
None of us "entertain" or have any use for fine china, let alone anywhere to really keep it. But I hate to see it just be given away or worse thrown away by the clean up team.
Does anyone here have any ideas what on earth we can do with it? Selling it is not realistic, this is fine china and won't do well in the mail. It breaks my heart to see stuff over a century old in the family just go away.
She had all the china that her parents and grandparents (my grand and great-grandparents) had collected over the years, some truly beautiful stuff in a beautiful hutch overlooking the dining area.
None of us "entertain" or have any use for fine china, let alone anywhere to really keep it. But I hate to see it just be given away or worse thrown away by the clean up team.
Does anyone here have any ideas what on earth we can do with it? Selling it is not realistic, this is fine china and won't do well in the mail. It breaks my heart to see stuff over a century old in the family just go away.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2022 01:43 PM (KZzsI)
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If you've seen the charts of "covid" deaths following vaccination, it becomes immediately obvious why you're not considered "vaccinated" until the fifteenth day after the jab.
Posted by: Methos at February 06, 2022 12:32 PM (kOpft)
Many agencies are now moving the goal post to 21 days.
Posted by: Methos at February 06, 2022 12:32 PM (kOpft)
Many agencies are now moving the goal post to 21 days.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 06, 2022 01:43 PM (P3gRi)
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It breaks my heart to see stuff over a century old in the family just go away.
Any groups that she or the rest of your family are part of that could use it?
Any groups that she or the rest of your family are part of that could use it?
Posted by: 18-1 at February 06, 2022 01:44 PM (ESjRY)
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235 If you've seen the charts of "covid" deaths following vaccination, it becomes immediately obvious why you're not considered "vaccinated" until the fifteenth day after the jab.
Posted by: Methos at February 06, 2022 12:32 PM (kOpft)
Many agencies are now moving the goal post to 21 days.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 06, 2022 01:43 PM (P3gRi)
Ah. "Juking the stats."
Posted by: Methos at February 06, 2022 12:32 PM (kOpft)
Many agencies are now moving the goal post to 21 days.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 06, 2022 01:43 PM (P3gRi)
Ah. "Juking the stats."
Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. at February 06, 2022 01:45 PM (II3Gr)
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mRna is interesting tech.
But if you trust any pharma company that aims to put it in into your body...you haven't done your due diligence.
Pfizer didn't get fined $2.3 billion for healing the sick, y'all.
But if you trust any pharma company that aims to put it in into your body...you haven't done your due diligence.
Pfizer didn't get fined $2.3 billion for healing the sick, y'all.
Posted by: callsign claymore at February 06, 2022 01:45 PM (qHGPV)
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it becomes immediately obvious why you're not considered "vaccinated" until the fifteenth day after the jab.
My memory is most clot shot deaths are in 48 hours - and people that have looked into it have found 86% of those are listed as COVID deaths...
Which, I guess if you consider the spike protein is the dangerous part of COVID almost makes sense, even if the claim is being made, intentionally, falsely.
My memory is most clot shot deaths are in 48 hours - and people that have looked into it have found 86% of those are listed as COVID deaths...
Which, I guess if you consider the spike protein is the dangerous part of COVID almost makes sense, even if the claim is being made, intentionally, falsely.
Posted by: 18-1 at February 06, 2022 01:45 PM (ESjRY)
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I was on I 40 today and saw a semi displaying the maple leaf flag. Juan Jose de Burrito Y Taco was probably driving, but what the heck.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at February 06, 2022 01:46 PM (lz5hY)
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Watching Mission Impossible 2, the one about a manufactured virus
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at February 06, 2022 01:46 PM (lCui1)
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Biden's Think Tank has a little mini Dukakis poking out the turret.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 06, 2022 01:46 PM (6FeV1)
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FWIW, I'm not catholic and am not approaching it from a catholic viewpoint or concern.
I sort of hate the idea of the modern medical industry being based on torture and abortion, though, which seems to still be the case. It certainly is with vaccines, and 70% or so of Americans have pumped the new ones into their arms.
I sort of hate the idea of the modern medical industry being based on torture and abortion, though, which seems to still be the case. It certainly is with vaccines, and 70% or so of Americans have pumped the new ones into their arms.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - CTCCTCGGCGGGCACGTAG at February 06, 2022 01:46 PM (CM8Oa)
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But if you trust any pharma company that aims to put it in into your body...you haven't done your due diligence.
The left in 2008: Doctors will cut off your foot to make a little extra money.
The left in 2022: If you don't trust global megacorps to put your health above their profits you are a science hating NAZI.
The left in 2008: Doctors will cut off your foot to make a little extra money.
The left in 2022: If you don't trust global megacorps to put your health above their profits you are a science hating NAZI.
Posted by: 18-1 at February 06, 2022 01:46 PM (ESjRY)
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Limerickin' ain't easy, but it sure is fun.
Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. at February 06, 2022 01:47 PM (II3Gr)
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The left in 2008: Doctors will cut off your foot to make a little extra money.
The left in 2022: If you don't trust global megacorps to put your health above their profits you are a science hating NAZI.
Posted by: 18-1 at February 06, 2022 01:46 PM (ESjRY)
Boom.
The left in 2022: If you don't trust global megacorps to put your health above their profits you are a science hating NAZI.
Posted by: 18-1 at February 06, 2022 01:46 PM (ESjRY)
Boom.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 06, 2022 01:47 PM (yQpMk)
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I sort of hate the idea of the modern medical industry being based on torture and abortion, though, which seems to still be the case. It certainly is with vaccines, and 70% or so of Americans have pumped the new ones into their arms.
Posted by: Moron Robbie
Yup, the newer "wonder" drugs
Posted by: Moron Robbie
Yup, the newer "wonder" drugs
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at February 06, 2022 01:47 PM (lCui1)
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129 Unrelated - as was one of the predicted outcomes, Goldberg's shennanigans have prompted the ADL to edit their online definition of racism, which will ruffle a lot of moonbat feathers.
Every day commies form circular firing squads is a day they're not trying to make linear ones.
Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at February 06, 2022 01:01 PM (CKXPc)
"Every day commies form circular firing squads is a day they're not trying to make linear ones."
Nice!
Every day commies form circular firing squads is a day they're not trying to make linear ones.
Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at February 06, 2022 01:01 PM (CKXPc)
"Every day commies form circular firing squads is a day they're not trying to make linear ones."
Nice!
Posted by: m at February 06, 2022 01:47 PM (tye8P)
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240 I was on I 40 today and saw a semi displaying the maple leaf flag. Juan Jose de Burrito Y Taco was probably driving, but what the heck.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at February 06, 2022 01:46 PM (lz5hY)
I don't think that whole "Natural Conservative" idea was made up from whole cloth, to be honest....
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at February 06, 2022 01:46 PM (lz5hY)
I don't think that whole "Natural Conservative" idea was made up from whole cloth, to be honest....
Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 06, 2022 01:47 PM (6FeV1)
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Does anyone here have any ideas what on earth we can do with it? Selling it is not realistic, this is fine china and won't do well in the mail. It breaks my heart to see stuff over a century old in the family just go away.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
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What general vicinity are you in? Not specific, but closest big city, maybe. I'd make a trip and I'm sure someone else would, too.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
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What general vicinity are you in? Not specific, but closest big city, maybe. I'd make a trip and I'm sure someone else would, too.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - CTCCTCGGCGGGCACGTAG at February 06, 2022 01:47 PM (CM8Oa)
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apparently they got to the alternate donation site for the Canadian truckers. I used the link provided on the sidebar and it didn't work. A search of the site returned nothing.
Posted by: mongo at February 06, 2022 01:48 PM (+qx8U)
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Respect my nanoparticles, bro!
Posted by: Weasel at February 06, 2022 01:48 PM (0IeYL)
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tcn as noted I have not followed it closely enough to give a reliable impression, but the "reduced severity of disease" claim is usually advanced based on a comparison of vaxxed/non-vaxxed hospitalization rates, and, possibly, mortality rates.
Problems are many here. I think these rates are based entirely on cases presenting and being hospitalized - because I don't recall any reference to surveys, or RCTs (ongoing tracking of comparable cohorts of individuals).
But even this puzzles me, because in many places reporting the numbers, the vaccinated dominated the ICU headcounts, or even death counts (Scotland, UK, Ontario, etc). Possibly my fault for not looking into it, but as Muldoon agreed, very sloppy and confusing presentation of numbers on many key issues, so, hard to make a serious evaluation based on what's being said.
Problems are many here. I think these rates are based entirely on cases presenting and being hospitalized - because I don't recall any reference to surveys, or RCTs (ongoing tracking of comparable cohorts of individuals).
But even this puzzles me, because in many places reporting the numbers, the vaccinated dominated the ICU headcounts, or even death counts (Scotland, UK, Ontario, etc). Possibly my fault for not looking into it, but as Muldoon agreed, very sloppy and confusing presentation of numbers on many key issues, so, hard to make a serious evaluation based on what's being said.
Posted by: rhomboid at February 06, 2022 01:48 PM (OTzUX)
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Part I of a firm, and extensive rebuttal of Fr. Matthew Schneider's claims regarding the moral quality and abortion connection of many commonly used medicines.
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at February 06, 2022 01:37 PM (lCui1)
Will no one rid of this turbulent priest?
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at February 06, 2022 01:37 PM (lCui1)
Will no one rid of this turbulent priest?
Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at February 06, 2022 01:48 PM (eKvjl)
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The whole aim of this exercise is to demand that the United Conservative Party of Alberta vote non-confidence in Premier Jason Kenney (who is a shitweasel), and end immediately all Alberta covid mandates.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 06, 2022 01:39 PM (P3gRi)
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Cops and citizens aligned together against a shitweasel?
Good news.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 06, 2022 01:39 PM (P3gRi)
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Cops and citizens aligned together against a shitweasel?
Good news.
Posted by: Braenyard at February 06, 2022 01:48 PM (7vRxf)
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Was reading an article yesterday that says the spike protein causes micro-clots
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at February 06, 2022 01:48 PM (lCui1)
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What general vicinity are you in? Not specific, but closest big city, maybe.
Salem, Oregon. Not exactly close to most of y'all.
Salem, Oregon. Not exactly close to most of y'all.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2022 01:50 PM (KZzsI)
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228 Has anyone ever proven that the "vaccine" makes the illness "less severe?" Some folks get really ill and others not so much, so how in hell would you know which are which?
It's really a load of manure.
Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at February 06, 2022 01:40 PM (eKvjl)
It's like Jobs Created or Saved... or Climate Chaos... something that cannot be proven.
It's really a load of manure.
Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at February 06, 2022 01:40 PM (eKvjl)
It's like Jobs Created or Saved... or Climate Chaos... something that cannot be proven.
Posted by: Romeo13 at February 06, 2022 01:50 PM (oHd/0)
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Salem, Oregon. Not exactly close to most of y'all.
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Yeah, that would be a couple of weeks for me, sorry. Good luck, and I bet someone comes through. There are still a lot of folks who love that sort of thing and who hate the idea of something so precious being lost.
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Yeah, that would be a couple of weeks for me, sorry. Good luck, and I bet someone comes through. There are still a lot of folks who love that sort of thing and who hate the idea of something so precious being lost.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - CTCCTCGGCGGGCACGTAG at February 06, 2022 01:51 PM (CM8Oa)
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I believe the severity numbers quoted by the FNM come straight from Pfizer - which also said it reduced risk of transmission by 95%.
Of course some defenders will pick stats from various countries/times that show fewer vaxxed deaths from COVID per capita - but obviously in aggregate the data isn't very conclusive AND we know that it is suspect.
So, for example, it appears you are at greater risk of getting and dying from COVID before you are "fully vaccinated". If you die from COVID then you are counted as "unvaccinated" which is...abusing the data.
Of course some defenders will pick stats from various countries/times that show fewer vaxxed deaths from COVID per capita - but obviously in aggregate the data isn't very conclusive AND we know that it is suspect.
So, for example, it appears you are at greater risk of getting and dying from COVID before you are "fully vaccinated". If you die from COVID then you are counted as "unvaccinated" which is...abusing the data.
Posted by: 18-1 at February 06, 2022 01:51 PM (ESjRY)
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Fast tracking to get it out to market. 50 years to reveal to the public what they did that got it approved. Oh yeah that's trustworthy.
Posted by: Buzzion at February 06, 2022 01:51 PM (9+S8k)
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While I can see hope in new medical technology. Testing wide spread on uninformed non voluntary subjects, even going so far as mandatory testing is evil not just immoral. I say this the same time i pray for genetic cures to diseases and genetic disorders.
Posted by: USNtakim deplorable still. at February 06, 2022 01:51 PM (0OmEj)
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Does anyone here have any ideas what on earth we can do with it? Selling it is not realistic, this is fine china and won't do well in the mail. It breaks my heart to see stuff over a century old in the family just go away.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2022 01:43 PM (KZzsI)
Find a reputable antiques dealer. They will pay a nice amount and it will end up with someone who appreciates it.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2022 01:43 PM (KZzsI)
Find a reputable antiques dealer. They will pay a nice amount and it will end up with someone who appreciates it.
Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at February 06, 2022 01:52 PM (eKvjl)
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Thank you, Muldoon.
I am supposed to be going on a major tour of Glacier and the Canadian Rockies next September.
Last summer, I very reluctantly got the J&J vaccine before I went to Maine. I had a bad reaction to that vaccine. I have no intention of getting any booster.
The tour company says all travelers must be "fully vaccinated." Does this mean I can't go on the trip?
I am supposed to be going on a major tour of Glacier and the Canadian Rockies next September.
Last summer, I very reluctantly got the J&J vaccine before I went to Maine. I had a bad reaction to that vaccine. I have no intention of getting any booster.
The tour company says all travelers must be "fully vaccinated." Does this mean I can't go on the trip?
Posted by: Ladyl at February 06, 2022 01:52 PM (+4oV5)
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The obsession with COVID19
And the climate of fear are obscene
But big money still flows
And pols' power still grows
So they'll keep the "crisis" evergreen
Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker
A limerick !
The torture is passed to a new generation !
And the climate of fear are obscene
But big money still flows
And pols' power still grows
So they'll keep the "crisis" evergreen
Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker
A limerick !
The torture is passed to a new generation !
Posted by: JT at February 06, 2022 01:52 PM (arJlL)
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Thanks, Muldoon. I didn't understand one word in ten (liberal arts major here), but I appreciate someone with an actual medical background making an honest attempt to explain the whole mess.
Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- bitterly clinging to the deplorable life '70s style! at February 06, 2022 01:52 PM (vMM2s)
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Where's REDACTED? He'd have an expert view on Chris's China question, I'd imagine, as tcn just suggested.
Posted by: rhomboid at February 06, 2022 01:52 PM (OTzUX)
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Fauci and many members of the Medical Bureaucracy need to be drawn and quartered for their failure to throw every possible preventive and remedial drug, including vitamin and mineral supplements, at COVID from Day One, along with their parallel actions to discredit everything except a vaccine that they knew may not be very good at its job.
Posted by: Gref at February 06, 2022 01:53 PM (AMIL/)
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Does anyone here have any ideas what on earth we can do with it? Selling it is not realistic, this is fine china and won't do well in the mail. It breaks my heart to see stuff over a century old in the family just go away.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2022 01:43 PM (KZzsI)
China sets are a problem at the moment; the under 30 generation doesn't want it, and everyone old enough to want some already has a set or two. The way these cycles go, in 20 years it'll be valuable again, but that's a long time to wait.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2022 01:43 PM (KZzsI)
China sets are a problem at the moment; the under 30 generation doesn't want it, and everyone old enough to want some already has a set or two. The way these cycles go, in 20 years it'll be valuable again, but that's a long time to wait.
Posted by: Tom Servo at February 06, 2022 01:53 PM (evAgx)
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there are a couple of websites that buy and sell china for people looking for replacements. Might see if any of those want the patterns.
Posted by: Lirio100 at February 06, 2022 01:53 PM (uFOGo)
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1 apparently they got to the alternate donation site for the Canadian truckers. I used the link provided on the sidebar and it didn't work. A search of the site returned nothing.
Posted by: mongo at February 06, 2022 01:48 PM (+qx8U)
Try it later tonight. Their servers may be having trouble keeping up.
Posted by: mongo at February 06, 2022 01:48 PM (+qx8U)
Try it later tonight. Their servers may be having trouble keeping up.
Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at February 06, 2022 01:53 PM (Fs5vw)
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We did our best to make sure nearly everything was distributed to the family, such as my grandfather's hand-made furniture but theres some stuff we don't know what to do with like Aunt Sue Ellen's collection of carousels and the beautiful big roll-top desk.
I mean, the furniture that's left behind at least some will be good to attract a buyer for the home. But there are so many little things that are just heart rending to see go because of all the memories. Death sucks so bad.
I mean, the furniture that's left behind at least some will be good to attract a buyer for the home. But there are so many little things that are just heart rending to see go because of all the memories. Death sucks so bad.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2022 01:54 PM (KZzsI)
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244 Nobody who really checked out Pfizer, the Gates Foundation tetanus vaccine in Kenya, or fill in the blank, would ever trust Big Pharma again.
Posted by: callsign claymore at February 06, 2022 01:54 PM (qHGPV)
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The tour company says all travelers must be "fully vaccinated." Does this mean I can't go on the trip?
Posted by: Ladyl at February 06, 2022 01:52 PM (+4oV5)
wait and see whether the Canadian Govm't falls or not by then.
Posted by: Ladyl at February 06, 2022 01:52 PM (+4oV5)
wait and see whether the Canadian Govm't falls or not by then.
Posted by: Tom Servo at February 06, 2022 01:54 PM (evAgx)
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>>>Does anyone here have any ideas what on earth we can do with it? Selling it is not realistic, this is fine china and won't do well in the mail. It breaks my heart to see stuff over a century old in the family just go away.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2022 01:43 PM (KZzsI)
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My best resolution was to locate a quality thrift store and donate it. My church didn't want it.
Oh, someone suggested St. Francis DePaul.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2022 01:43 PM (KZzsI)
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My best resolution was to locate a quality thrift store and donate it. My church didn't want it.
Oh, someone suggested St. Francis DePaul.
Posted by: Braenyard at February 06, 2022 01:54 PM (7vRxf)
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The "Downfall" parody with Trudeau in the bunker is pretty good.
Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Wrecker. Hoarder. Honker. at February 06, 2022 01:56 PM (II3Gr)
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You can't make generational wealth with breaking a few eggs.
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If Ben Rothlesberger (whatever) were here he'd point out the reproductive joke right there.
IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE BROKEN EGGS ARE DEAD CHICKS AND DON'T PRODUCE ANY MORE GENERATIONS, AND ALSO THE JABS JUST MIGHT BE STERILIZING CHICKS.
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If Ben Rothlesberger (whatever) were here he'd point out the reproductive joke right there.
IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE BROKEN EGGS ARE DEAD CHICKS AND DON'T PRODUCE ANY MORE GENERATIONS, AND ALSO THE JABS JUST MIGHT BE STERILIZING CHICKS.
Posted by: BEN ROETHLISBERGER at February 06, 2022 01:56 PM (kOpft)
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I let this go way too long, its just so overwhelming trying to get everything packed up and none of us really know what we are doing. Plus its like a knife in the heart every time we go to that house and all the ghosts of our grandparents and aunt are there in everything we see.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2022 01:56 PM (KZzsI)
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Christoper, you might contact someone that does estate sales in your area.
Posted by: Ben Had at February 06, 2022 01:57 PM (qngSw)
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"You must v*x to protect other v*xxed people" raised my hackles beyond almost anything I've ever seen or heard in my life.
If someone wants to explain the hashtag science beyond that one, I'm all ears. Unfortunately it undermines anything else these people ever tell me.
If someone wants to explain the hashtag science beyond that one, I'm all ears. Unfortunately it undermines anything else these people ever tell me.
Posted by: ... at February 06, 2022 01:57 PM (dscaa)
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This whole time, with the Ottawa goings-on, I've been chuckling at the concept of a "Canadian riot", an amusing counter-intuitive concept and phrase that just don't work.
Polite culture, eh.
Posted by: rhomboid at February 06, 2022 01:42 PM (OTzUX)
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We are amused by the Canucks but don't underestimate them. Consider what they went through in WW 1, and in WW 2, they were the guys responsible for taking the Port of Antwerp. And then there's that while lumberjack thing.
Polite culture, eh.
Posted by: rhomboid at February 06, 2022 01:42 PM (OTzUX)
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We are amused by the Canucks but don't underestimate them. Consider what they went through in WW 1, and in WW 2, they were the guys responsible for taking the Port of Antwerp. And then there's that while lumberjack thing.
Posted by: Diogenes at February 06, 2022 01:58 PM (axyOa)
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And then there's that while lumberjack thing.
Posted by: Diogenes at February 06, 2022 01:58 PM (axyOa)
They're OK.
Posted by: Diogenes at February 06, 2022 01:58 PM (axyOa)
They're OK.
Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. at February 06, 2022 01:58 PM (II3Gr)
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Do they care though?
Posted by: USNtakim deplorable still. at February 06, 2022 01:59 PM (0OmEj)
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I can tell you there are some very good long range shooters in Canada.
Posted by: Weasel at February 06, 2022 01:59 PM (0IeYL)
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270 272 Chris,my ex MIL, departed, nice lady, used to make a good buck matching china before the internet. Gal hit every flea market and yard sale she drove by . Sold the stuff, in those days, by word of mouth and boring publications.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at February 06, 2022 01:59 PM (lz5hY)
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Communist fear ....other.... kinds of communist more than those peace loving conservatives.
I predict tsunami of murder.
Commie on commie mmurder.
I predict tsunami of murder.
Commie on commie mmurder.
Posted by: Humphreyrobot at February 06, 2022 01:59 PM (cRfXT)
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"Remove your trucks yourselves now ... or ... you will be forfeiting the trucks to the Crown and those associated with those trucks will be arrested."
Heh. Things are getting interesting.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at February 06, 2022 01:19 PM (Xrfse)
Back during the Great Depression, there were instances of farmers losing land or equipment to foreclosure. Then the banks would auction off the foreclosed property. Other farmers would mob the auctions, and prevent anyone but the dispossessed farmer from buying the property back at pennies on the dollar. I can foresee such tactics being used again.
Heh. Things are getting interesting.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at February 06, 2022 01:19 PM (Xrfse)
Back during the Great Depression, there were instances of farmers losing land or equipment to foreclosure. Then the banks would auction off the foreclosed property. Other farmers would mob the auctions, and prevent anyone but the dispossessed farmer from buying the property back at pennies on the dollar. I can foresee such tactics being used again.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 06, 2022 01:59 PM (P3gRi)
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There are auctions that might take it.
Posted by: Skip at February 06, 2022 02:00 PM (2JoB8)
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If someone wants to explain the hashtag science beyond that one, I'm all ears. Unfortunately it undermines anything else these people ever tell me.
Prior to COVID there were occasionally outbreaks of various diseases from Latin America because the illegals weren't vaccinated against them. But...note they were rare.
Also, as per the FNM this was neither a reason to send the illegals home, nor a reason to force them to get the actual vaccines they were missing.
In the real world of course you NEVER get 100% of people vaccinated, and you don't need to. Fauci, in his emails with Pfizer, said he expected that they'd need to jab 60% of the populace.
Of course, many countries have hit that mark and...it did nothing to the spread of the disease.
Prior to COVID there were occasionally outbreaks of various diseases from Latin America because the illegals weren't vaccinated against them. But...note they were rare.
Also, as per the FNM this was neither a reason to send the illegals home, nor a reason to force them to get the actual vaccines they were missing.
In the real world of course you NEVER get 100% of people vaccinated, and you don't need to. Fauci, in his emails with Pfizer, said he expected that they'd need to jab 60% of the populace.
Of course, many countries have hit that mark and...it did nothing to the spread of the disease.
Posted by: 18-1 at February 06, 2022 02:00 PM (ESjRY)
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If you look around the table and don't know who's in the clinical trial the clinical trial is you.
Posted by: Zek at February 06, 2022 02:00 PM (OzNIz)
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21 mRNA sounds like an excellent idea. In theory. In practice, the insistence on multiple doses is deeply troubling. At absolute best, the antigens produced by such vaccines aren't as effective as the natural immune response against multiple antigens. We may not understand immune response well enough to know why that is.
The more likely explanation is that the many vaccine-related deaths are passed off as Covid deaths, and that the vaccines do not fill their advertised purpose at all. But then, getting more than one shot of experimental drug from global depopulationists was always a terrible idea.
Posted by: trev006 at February 06, 2022 12:13 PM (RJToO)
Probably close to being willowed, but just got onto this thread. The biggest long-term issue to come out of this mRNA business is not the vaccine itself, but the precedent Big Pharma was able to get to have litigation suspended for this 'emergency'. If they can get it done here, I can only imagine where they'd try to get it done in the future.
The more likely explanation is that the many vaccine-related deaths are passed off as Covid deaths, and that the vaccines do not fill their advertised purpose at all. But then, getting more than one shot of experimental drug from global depopulationists was always a terrible idea.
Posted by: trev006 at February 06, 2022 12:13 PM (RJToO)
Probably close to being willowed, but just got onto this thread. The biggest long-term issue to come out of this mRNA business is not the vaccine itself, but the precedent Big Pharma was able to get to have litigation suspended for this 'emergency'. If they can get it done here, I can only imagine where they'd try to get it done in the future.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at February 06, 2022 02:01 PM (mdjgu)
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1st Nood
Posted by: Skip guy who says NOOD at February 06, 2022 02:01 PM (2JoB8)
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Christoper, you might contact someone that does estate sales in your area.
We did and were told that she didn't have enough stuff to make it worth their while to do the process. I mean, she had piles of jewelry, antiques, a piano, etc but I guess maybe that stuff doesn't sell for enough or would be too much trouble to move, I don't know.
We did and were told that she didn't have enough stuff to make it worth their while to do the process. I mean, she had piles of jewelry, antiques, a piano, etc but I guess maybe that stuff doesn't sell for enough or would be too much trouble to move, I don't know.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2022 02:01 PM (KZzsI)
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Watched a little of that Ottawa board meeting. We ain't the only country with fascist pigs in the police force. Jeebus.
Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Wrecker. Hoarder. Honker. at February 06, 2022 02:01 PM (II3Gr)
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DAMMIT THE PIANO
Posted by: Moron Robbie - CTCCTCGGCGGGCACGTAG at February 06, 2022 02:02 PM (CM8Oa)
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My memory is most clot shot deaths are in 48 hours - and people that have looked into it have found 86% of those are listed as COVID deaths...
Which, I guess if you consider the spike protein is the dangerous part of COVID almost makes sense, even if the claim is being made, intentionally, falsely.
Posted by: 18-1 at February 06, 2022 01:45 PM (ESjRY)
A friend of mine brought his grandfather for the shot. Got the shot around 11:30, went and had lunch, visited a relative in the area for a few hours, got home at 4:30, grandfather collapsed on the porch..dead. No autopsy. Hmmm..
Which, I guess if you consider the spike protein is the dangerous part of COVID almost makes sense, even if the claim is being made, intentionally, falsely.
Posted by: 18-1 at February 06, 2022 01:45 PM (ESjRY)
A friend of mine brought his grandfather for the shot. Got the shot around 11:30, went and had lunch, visited a relative in the area for a few hours, got home at 4:30, grandfather collapsed on the porch..dead. No autopsy. Hmmm..
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at February 06, 2022 02:02 PM (VwHCD)
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I would take some pictures and advertise locally for things the family doesn't want to store like the carousels. CraigsList or FB sales etc. You don't want to have to try to ship because its crazy expensive for personal shipping. I don't know how the big companies afford it but I guess they get price breaks plus factor in not having to maintain a retail space.
Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at February 06, 2022 02:03 PM (3cGpq)
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Remove your trucks yourselves now ... or ... you will be forfeiting the trucks to the Crown and those associated with those trucks will be arrested.
It was a matter of time before the government started to use force, that's really its only tool. The question is how feasible it is and how likely they are to actually carry it out. That's an AWFUL lot of trucks and other people to deal with.
The problem that the Canadian government faces is that the trucker's convoy is cool. They are beloved by popular culture so this kind of response will not be met with joy by the general public.
It was a matter of time before the government started to use force, that's really its only tool. The question is how feasible it is and how likely they are to actually carry it out. That's an AWFUL lot of trucks and other people to deal with.
The problem that the Canadian government faces is that the trucker's convoy is cool. They are beloved by popular culture so this kind of response will not be met with joy by the general public.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2022 02:03 PM (KZzsI)
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We decided to leave the piano in the house to help with sales, the realtor thought it would be a bonus. Its in dire need of tuning and some maintenance.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2022 02:04 PM (KZzsI)
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That's a nice photo of Muldoon, but somehow I'd always pictured him as taller than that . . . . . .
Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at February 06, 2022 02:05 PM (k4dH2)
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Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at,
Bottom line, it was their stuff and they have no need for it now. Your love and memory of them will be no less when you get rid of the, now, useless items.
Bottom line, it was their stuff and they have no need for it now. Your love and memory of them will be no less when you get rid of the, now, useless items.
Posted by: Braenyard at February 06, 2022 02:05 PM (7vRxf)
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I tried to find good homes for the the items and finally found a quality thrift and gave it all away.
It was a great release.
It was a great release.
Posted by: Braenyard at February 06, 2022 02:05 PM (7vRxf)
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The problem that the Canadian government faces is that the trucker's convoy is cool. They are beloved by popular culture so this kind of response will not be met with joy by the general public.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2022 02:03 PM (KZzsI)
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Video of those female Polish bakers bringing a truck load of breads and other foods. Yeah, the citizens are with the truckers.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2022 02:03 PM (KZzsI)
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Video of those female Polish bakers bringing a truck load of breads and other foods. Yeah, the citizens are with the truckers.
Posted by: Braenyard at February 06, 2022 02:07 PM (7vRxf)
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If you have too many possessions, it can weigh you down like a WWII Japanese Captain going down with the ship.
Posted by: Humphreyrobot at February 06, 2022 02:08 PM (cRfXT)
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I think we may have turned a corner. Not a single commenter has said, "Worst limerick ever!"
Posted by: Muldoon
Meh, you've written worse.
Posted by: Muldoon
Meh, you've written worse.
Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at February 06, 2022 02:08 PM (OssQ4)
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I don't doubt that some of those drugs are fruits of abortion; but I suspect that a lot are not.
The problem with dealing with leftist liars. Can't trust anything they say.
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at February 06, 2022 01:33 PM (lCui1)
I think in most cases, the fetal cell lines are byproducts of abortions done for the usual reasons, good or bad, and are morally neutral. Sort of like transplantable human organs can be a byproduct of car accidents, and are morally neutral. If it comes to the point that abortions, or car accidents, are deliberately caused in order to provide a supply of "material", then the line into evil has clearly been crossed.
The problem with dealing with leftist liars. Can't trust anything they say.
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at February 06, 2022 01:33 PM (lCui1)
I think in most cases, the fetal cell lines are byproducts of abortions done for the usual reasons, good or bad, and are morally neutral. Sort of like transplantable human organs can be a byproduct of car accidents, and are morally neutral. If it comes to the point that abortions, or car accidents, are deliberately caused in order to provide a supply of "material", then the line into evil has clearly been crossed.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 06, 2022 02:09 PM (P3gRi)
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213 One of my early reactions to the mRNA technology was "Cool! This will jumpstart some medical innovations."
I would still feel that way except for the lying and coercion surrounding the Covid shots.
Posted by: Emmie at February 06, 2022 01:33 PM (6RgRK)
This is where I land, myself.
I would still feel that way except for the lying and coercion surrounding the Covid shots.
Posted by: Emmie at February 06, 2022 01:33 PM (6RgRK)
This is where I land, myself.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at February 06, 2022 02:12 PM (mdjgu)
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I think it's good that we're giving the medical community the stink-eye. It deserves it.
Medicine should be taken away from the corporate marketing departments and given back to doctors and reaserchers.
Medicine should be taken away from the corporate marketing departments and given back to doctors and reaserchers.
Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at February 06, 2022 02:17 PM (Fs5vw)
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I think in most cases, the fetal cell lines are byproducts of abortions done for the usual reasons, good or bad, and are morally neutral. Sort of like transplantable human organs can be a byproduct of car accidents, and are morally neutral.
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No, the equivalent is organ transplant from a murder victim imo
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No, the equivalent is organ transplant from a murder victim imo
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at February 06, 2022 02:18 PM (lCui1)
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Dead thread update: my transaction with GiveSendGo actually processed, despite my browser appearing to indicate otherwise. I'm semi-pleased.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at February 06, 2022 02:19 PM (Xrfse)
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Thanks, Muldoon, for a readable medical post.
Posted by: m at February 06, 2022 02:23 PM (tye8P)
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No, the equivalent is organ transplant from a murder victim imo
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at February 06, 2022 02:18 PM (lCui1)
Well, if the murder were done to get the organ...
Hypothetical: if one of the people killed by the shooter in Las Vegas was an organ donor, with an organ donor card, would it be a sin to accept an organ from that murder victim? Some things just fall into the "shit happens" category.
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at February 06, 2022 02:18 PM (lCui1)
Well, if the murder were done to get the organ...
Hypothetical: if one of the people killed by the shooter in Las Vegas was an organ donor, with an organ donor card, would it be a sin to accept an organ from that murder victim? Some things just fall into the "shit happens" category.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 06, 2022 02:23 PM (P3gRi)
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Posted by: zigzag at February 06, 2022 02:48 PM (j+P4K)
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If you know anyone with lymphoma that is considering getting the *Clot* shot, have them read this...
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Posted by: ChrisP at February 06, 2022 03:12 PM (RcoEW)
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A 3 year old girl died of a heart attack after receiving this miracle jab. Young men are dying of heart attacks. Young women have their menstrual cycles destroyed. This is just the immediate effects. We have no way of knowing what the long term disaster of this experiment will be.
We do know this. The jab doesn't keep you from getting sick, it doesn't keep you from dying, it doesn't keep you from getting other people sick. If the truth was allowed, Moderna and Pfizer would be bankrupt by now.
We do know this. The jab doesn't keep you from getting sick, it doesn't keep you from dying, it doesn't keep you from getting other people sick. If the truth was allowed, Moderna and Pfizer would be bankrupt by now.
Posted by: BurkeanMama at February 06, 2022 03:27 PM (ZIhfX)
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Interesting concept, essentially teaching the immune system to attack self. I'm sure nothing could go wrong with that, what with years and years of research...uh, what?
Posted by: HarvardR at February 06, 2022 03:46 PM (hl+QW)
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I believe MRNA "vaccines" will be as efficacious as embryonic stem cell treatments. That is, they will prove to be next to worthless.
Posted by: Dad of Six at February 06, 2022 04:34 PM (kSZfR)
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Cryptocurrency System using Body Activity Data
Dr Vladimir Zelenko states this is the (smoking gun) reason for the rushed mRNA injections, the lie of "95% immunity to Covid" and disregarding the adverse reactions reported in Pfizers short trial that were brought to light only after a FOI request.
It was always about money.
Patent number WO2020060606 for
Cryptocurrency System using Body Activity Data
Dr Vladimir Zelenko states this is the (smoking gun) reason for the rushed mRNA injections, the lie of "95% immunity to Covid" and disregarding the adverse reactions reported in Pfizers short trial that were brought to light only after a FOI request.
It was always about money.
Posted by: Ju at February 06, 2022 04:43 PM (aTmM/)
Posted by: KT at February 06, 2022 04:58 PM (0ghg2)
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I made it 66 years without that mRNA shit.
Good luck, kids.
Good luck, kids.
Posted by: jbspry at February 06, 2022 05:38 PM (ATe9j)
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There's lots of hope in the future for mRNA, diddling around with the basic blocks of human life. But for me, please dear God, let me die a natural death, free from the encumbrances of hopeful prognostic percentages, and dwindling energy to appreciate life's joys, waiting for a miracle.
When the laudable practice of medicine by actual doctors in practice becomes political and profit-based, when the government chooses to fund winners and losers (among our most deeply distrusted enemies), we have lost our way. COVID has exposed the nasty immoral, world of the WHO, the CCP, the CDC, and the FDA.
When the laudable practice of medicine by actual doctors in practice becomes political and profit-based, when the government chooses to fund winners and losers (among our most deeply distrusted enemies), we have lost our way. COVID has exposed the nasty immoral, world of the WHO, the CCP, the CDC, and the FDA.
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