America's <i>Back</i>, Baby!

America's Back, Baby!

Ice Cream Joey's best friend Vlad accepted his invitation for a Minor Incursion clambake, looks like.

Ukraine, which by the way poured millions into the pockets of Hunter Biden and who knows how much for "The Big Guy," is attacking Biden for his newest show of weakness.

Earlier, he invited a minor incursion.

Now, he orders an evacuation, engaging in Preventative Deconfliction -- "deconfliction" being the coordination of opposed forces to reduce the risk of accidents or incidents -- which all but clears the way for a minor incursion.

I'm not arguing we should go to war on behalf of a country that meddled in the 2016 election far more than Russia did -- on behalf of the Democrats, of course, which is why it's not a scandal -- but didn't the Deep State crucify Trump for supposedly not doing his all to resist Putin and protect Ukraine?

The Ukrainian Ministry of Foreign Affairs early Monday morning accused the United States of "excessive caution" for ordering family members of Kyiv Embassy staff to leave the country, as Russia gets closer to invading Ukraine by the day.
"We have taken note of @StateDept's decision re departure of family members of @USEmbassyKyiv staff," Ukraine spokesman Oleg Nikolenko tweeted. "While we respect right of foreign nations to ensure safety & security of their diplomatic missions, we believe such a step to be a premature one & an instance of excessive caution."
The United Kingdom is also bringing home "Some Embassy staff and dependents" due to the "growing threat from Russia."
In a subsequent tweet, Nikolenko highlighted that the European Union is leaving its diplomatic staff and their families in Ukraine.

So Europe is more courageous on Ukraine than Ice Cream Joey.

NeverTrump, do you feel your blustery, bellicose Neocon foreign policy has been restored?

6 Saw it mentioned earlier.
Joe has lost two nations and two embassies in six months.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - read closely, it's impossible to get a negative result from the free COVID tests

Meanwhile, Bill Kristol's calling, of course, for the censorship of anyone who opposes the neocon foreign policy agenda. Which was also his position during Iraq, of course.

To my shame, I joined in the general "anyone who questions Iraq is just a coward and quisling" chorus. I won't be doing that in the future.

But Bill Kristol is a very old (and fat) dog, and is not learning any new tricks.

Meanwhile, Kurt Schlichter's ing his Fantasy Ukraine Abraham Lincoln Brigade.

Kurt Schlichter
@KurtSchlichter
Ukraine Intervention Order of Battle:
1st Battalion (Never Trump)
CDR: Vindman
XO: Kinzinger
Intel: Billet Not Filled
Chemical: Swalwell
Subject Matter Expert: Nichols
2nd Battalion (Heavy)
Stacey Abrams
3rd Heavy Battalion (AWOL)
Cheney
Kristol
The rest of the DC hawks

Very few in swamp War Faction have ever sullied themselves by practicing what they preach. Their records tend to be spotless of military service.

Hey, if Billy Three-Bills (three hundred pounds, you know) is going to break out the "anyone who opposes war with Russia is a Russian agent" slur, I think I am justified in noting that almost all of these Chairborne Rangers are chickenhawks who had Better Things To Do during ever period of American conflict.

Context:

23 Quick thing to note about Ukraine, the guys that meddled would've been part of the administration that Obama put in power, which is no longer in power in Ukraine. Not sure how fair it is to really blame the Ukranians for that.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy

I didn't know that. That does change my emotional feeling about this, but not enough to actually want to get very involved.

Thrawn agrees with my remorse for the put-downs about anyone doubting the war,
but adds:

Still doesn't mean Code Pinko and their ilk were right. Will they do the whole "No War for Borscht and Biden's Business Partners!" protests if this goes hot? Probably not.

Right! Agreed. There are/were noxious people on the antiwar left, people who really are reflexively anti-American.

And a lot of Democrats are against any Republican-led war for the most odious of political reasons, and can't wait to support the next Holy Democrat Foreign Crusade for Freedom and Diversity.

But not everyone who doubts the wisdom of a war, or is generally cool about war, is anti-American, of course.

Posted by: Ace at 12:16 PM

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1 First!

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2022 12:16 PM (z5Vrg)

2 not sponge

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 24, 2022 12:16 PM (LvTSG)

3 What happened to Russia, Russia, Russia?

Posted by: Skip's Phone at January 24, 2022 12:17 PM (Uz1k2)

4 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - Death Sucks at January 24, 2022 12:17 PM (Zz0t1)

5 So...is Bill Kristol advocating for Fox News to squash independent voices?

For freedom and true conservatism?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 24, 2022 12:17 PM (LvTSG)

6 Saw it mentioned earlier.

Joe has lost two nations and two embassies in six months.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - read closely, it's impossible to get a negative result from the free COVID tests at January 24, 2022 12:17 PM (yn7Jr)

7 GOPe

fap fap fap

Posted by: Capital Eff at January 24, 2022 12:18 PM (GYllL)

8 Chemical: Swalwell

Ok, that's funny. A Weapon of Ass Destruction if ever I heard of one.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 24, 2022 12:18 PM (f39+s)

9 What does Lt. Col. Bearclaw have to say?

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 24, 2022 12:18 PM (yQpMk)

10 So now we have to want war with Putin, otherwise we're pro-Putin?

Posted by: gourmand du jour at January 24, 2022 12:19 PM (jTmQV)

11
And it's one two three
What are we fightin for?
Don't ask me I have no idea

Posted by: Country Joe and the Thing at January 24, 2022 12:19 PM (vrz2I)

12 The embassy personnel are leaving, but the regular American citizens will not be evacuated. i guess this is the new Democrat thing; leaving people in war zones.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 24, 2022 12:19 PM (bkUtD)

13 I am just going to pick up that chickenhawk argument that the Left brought to the fight.

NEW RULES BITCHES!!

Posted by: blaster at January 24, 2022 12:19 PM (9otr5)

14 Why can't any of those fuckers die from covid or it's 'vaccine?'

Posted by: Sponge - Death Sucks at January 24, 2022 12:19 PM (Zz0t1)

15 Is Cap'n Bill's finger on the button that turns his brain on and off? I think it's stuck in the off position.

Posted by: N.L. Urker, getting serious about lurking at January 24, 2022 12:19 PM (eGTCV)

16 The Ukraine, which by the way poured millions into the pockets of Hunter Biden and who knows how much for "The Big Guy," is attacking Biden for his newest show of weakness.

I thought we went round and round here that it was just supposed to be Ukraine, not The Ukraine.

Kinda like Ohio State University and not The Ohio State University.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 24, 2022 12:19 PM (uXonU)

17 I predict that this will be looked back on as the week that the wheels came completely off the so-called Biden "administration."

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at January 24, 2022 12:19 PM (guGkK)

18 Old: No War For Oil!

New: War For The Big Guy!

Fuck them all.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 24, 2022 12:20 PM (a5d7/)

19 6 Saw it mentioned earlier.

Joe has lost two nations and two embassies in six months.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - read closely, it's impossible to get a negative result from the free COVID tests at January 24, 2022 12:17 PM (yn7Jr)

==========

"We don't stop until South Korea loses all US troops and North Korea invades with its starved and fanatical troops to destroy the fat and lazy capitalists of the South, comrade!"
-Jen Psaki

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 24, 2022 12:20 PM (LvTSG)

20 The whole helicopter thing in Afghanistan is to be avoided (bad optics), so easier to NOT evacuate Americans...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 24, 2022 12:20 PM (ynpvh)

21 "which by the way poured millions into the pockets of Hunter Biden and who knows how much for "The Big Guy," "

which by the way is why the incursion is being encouraged; you just can't beat a good incursion for removing inconvenient witnesses and evidence.

Posted by: SDN at January 24, 2022 12:20 PM (5i0hy)

22 Good Gawd Y'all

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 24, 2022 12:20 PM (yQpMk)

23 Quick thing to note about Ukraine, the guys that meddled would've been part of the administration that Obama put in power, which is no longer in power in Ukraine. Not sure how fair it is to really blame the Ukranians for that.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2022 12:20 PM (z5Vrg)

24 Fuck Ukraine. It's a corrupt shithole that funneled millions of dollars to Joey Mudbrain's crackhead son, tried to fuck Trump in 2016 and 2020, and generally is a nagging pest.

Posted by: Elric Blade at January 24, 2022 12:20 PM (iFTx/)

25 Also the Democrats are trying to get a decent war started up so that they have something to run against when the Republicans win in the next election and possibly the presidency.

That's not a joke.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - read closely, it's impossible to get a negative result from the free COVID tests at January 24, 2022 12:20 PM (yn7Jr)

26 Just send a helicopter over to pick them up.

Posted by: Boss Moss at January 24, 2022 12:20 PM (todmg)

27 Willowed: As fast as regimes fall and borders shift, countries get annexed and then split up, memorizing a current map of Europe including capitals is like watching the T-shirts tumbling by in the dryer down at the laundromat.
Posted by: Muldoon at January 24, 2022

***
My map of late 1950s Africa in my grade-school era encyclopedia has been obsolete for a long time.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 24, 2022 12:20 PM (txdEq)

28 This is another obvious ginned-up crisis to distract from Biden's manifest failures at home.

Posted by: Revenant at January 24, 2022 12:21 PM (T4RS9)

29 I predict that Mitch will raise some trial balloons about giving support to Biden for adventurism in Ukraine. He will back off before the week is out.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 24, 2022 12:21 PM (LvTSG)

30 Going to war with Russia will cause our country to collapse. Only retards, the childless, and the tv race will support it.

Posted by: it's vader time at January 24, 2022 12:21 PM (JNJDb)

31 Listen FAT!, I know what I umm... ahh ahh going... to.. ahh you know the thing.. and not only that but... I've said too much. No more questions and LET'S GO BRANDON!!!

Posted by: Joe Biden at January 24, 2022 12:21 PM (iDcra)

32 I'm not arguing we should go to war on behalf of a country that meddled in the 2016 election far more than Russia did -- on behalf of the Democrats, of course, which is why it's not a scandal

Putin: Getting the justice that Republicans won't.

*Yes, I know he has his own reasons. So long as he kills allies of the Democrats and the deep state, I don't care.

Posted by: Methos at January 24, 2022 12:21 PM (kOpft)

33 5 So...is Bill Kristol advocating for Fox News to squash independent voices?

For freedom and true conservatism?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 24, 2022 12:17 PM (LvTSG)

Oh, yeah. Get FOX to break its recent contract with Tucker, pay even bigger money to him than NBC did to MeAgain Kelly to buy him out, and give him the freedom to go to OANN or Newsmax and completely supercharge those outlets? Pull my other finger.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 24, 2022 12:21 PM (f39+s)

34 28 This is another obvious ginned-up crisis to distract from Biden's manifest failures at home.
Posted by: Revenant at January 24, 2022 12:21 PM (T4RS9)

Let's have some failures abroad to compete!

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 24, 2022 12:21 PM (dNqv+)

35 >>>Fuck Ukraine. It's a corrupt shithole that funneled millions of dollars to Joey Mudbrain's crackhead son, tried to fuck Trump in 2016 and 2020, and generally is a nagging pest.
Posted by: Elric Blade

I'm surprised Bidet is doing this. he already got his money, so what does he care what happens to Ukraine.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 24, 2022 12:21 PM (bkUtD)

36 My map of late 1950s Africa in my grade-school era encyclopedia has been obsolete for a long time.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 24, 2022 12:20 PM (txdEq)

Try your map of 1980s Europe.

Posted by: blaster at January 24, 2022 12:21 PM (9otr5)

37 The Ukraine - start as a distraction, end as a quagmire. Just kidding. No quagmires allowed by Vlad.

Posted by: kraken at January 24, 2022 12:21 PM (6Je/Q)

38 16 The Ukraine, which by the way poured millions into the pockets of Hunter Biden and who knows how much for "The Big Guy," is attacking Biden for his newest show of weakness.

I thought we went round and round here that it was just supposed to be Ukraine, not The Ukraine.

Kinda like Ohio State University and not The Ohio State University.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 24, 2022 12:19 PM (uXonU)

Either would be proper. Ukraine means borderlands, the Ukraine is the borderlands.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2022 12:22 PM (z5Vrg)

39 Were I an American in Ukraine, you bet I'd be leaving in a hurry. If I didn't hustle to get out of Ukraine, it means I didn't learn anything from the debacle in Afghanistan.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/)) at January 24, 2022 12:22 PM (5pTK/)

40 Our biggest threat is probably Trans troops rights or something

Posted by: Jimco Industries at January 24, 2022 12:22 PM (SWQDk)

41 Does the Bulwark have an actual audience that doesn't read them ironically?

Posted by: N.L. Urker, getting serious about lurking at January 24, 2022 12:22 PM (eGTCV)

42 Don't worry, I've been assured repeatedly by people in gray boxes that we aren't going to war over Ukraine.

It's a local problem that I'm sure will have no spill over consequences.

Plus it's over 100 miles away.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at January 24, 2022 12:22 PM (V6f9+)

43
#NoWarForBurisma

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at January 24, 2022 12:22 PM (qCp+w)

44 Germany, France, Russia, and Ukraine are also conducting separate talks without inviting the US.

We'll see how much progress they make without the senile old warmonger.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 24, 2022 12:22 PM (I2/tG)

45 >>>No quagmires allowed by Vlad.
Posted by: kraken

Giggity, giggity, giggity!

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 24, 2022 12:22 PM (bkUtD)

46 My friend says a lady in her church is right in the middle of an adoption process of an infant from Ukraine. She has already spent $50,000 trying to get her baby to the States and now this. God bless her and hopefully she can get her baby out before that idiot Biden destroys the world.

Posted by: jmel at January 24, 2022 12:22 PM (RWHIh)

47 My map of late 1950s Africa in my grade-school era encyclopedia has been obsolete for a long time.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 24, 2022 12:20 PM (txdEq)

Tell me about it.

Posted by: British Honduras at January 24, 2022 12:22 PM (yQpMk)

48 35 I'm surprised Bidet is doing this. he already got his money, so what does he care what happens to Ukraine.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 24, 2022 12:21 PM (bkUtD)

========

His administration, and a lot of the deep state that survives from one administration to the next, are tied up financially in the Ukraine. If Putin wants to roll in to change out one set of kleptocrats for his own set, they'll send young red state men to die for that cause.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 24, 2022 12:22 PM (LvTSG)

49
#NoWarForTheBigGuy

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at January 24, 2022 12:22 PM (qCp+w)

50
Come on Putin, don't be slow,
Why man, this is war au-go-go
There's plenty good money to be made
By supplying the Army with the tools of its trade

Posted by: Country Joe and the Thing at January 24, 2022 12:23 PM (vrz2I)

51 Very few in swamp War Faction have ever sullied themselves by practicing what they preach. Their records tend to be spotless of military service. -ace-

Don't be too hard on these guys, Ace.
They've given their lifes to "public service" and we should be grateful for all they've sacrificed.
It's just coincidence that they've managed to seemingly profit off of others pain and suffering, while avoiding any themselves.
They're working smarter, not harder.

Do I need the sarc tag?

Posted by: OneEyedJack at January 24, 2022 12:23 PM (MFphb)

52 In the event of an actual Russian invasion of the Ukraine, I would like to offer my home to a selection of refugees, between the ages of 21 & 28, selected by me...

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at January 24, 2022 12:23 PM (8D42x)

53 36 My map of late 1950s Africa in my grade-school era encyclopedia has been obsolete for a long time.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 24, 2022 12:20 PM (txdEq)

Try your map of 1980s Europe.

Posted by: blaster at January 24, 2022 12:21 PM (9otr5)

My old Spanish books have a few letters that no longer appear in today's Spanish alphabet.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 24, 2022 12:23 PM (ynpvh)

54

I'm surprised Bidet is doing this. he already got his money, so what does he care what happens to Ukraine.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 24, 2022 12:21 PM (bkUtD)

I have a feeling he's hoping that the right buildings get torched by russian artillery as to destroy any evidence against his crime family.

Posted by: Sponge - Death Sucks at January 24, 2022 12:23 PM (Zz0t1)

55 Dementia Joe and BabyDaddy Hunter light up the screen in, The Road To Crimea

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at January 24, 2022 12:23 PM (guGkK)

56 Also, tens of thousands of US troops are apparently going to be deployed to Eastern Europe.

Orders going out in the next day or two.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 24, 2022 12:23 PM (I2/tG)

57 "To my shame, I joined in the general "anyone who questions Iraq is just a coward and quisling" chorus. I won't be doing that in the future."

Same, Ace. I was a fool. In my meager defense though, I was a little behind age 29.

Still doesn't mean Code Pinko and their ilk were right. Will they do the whole "No War for Borscht and Biden's Business Partners!" protests if this goes hot? Probably not.

Posted by: Thrawn at January 24, 2022 12:23 PM (Rl7KJ)

58 29 I predict that Mitch will raise some trial balloons about giving support to Biden for adventurism in Ukraine. He will back off before the week is out.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 24, 2022 12:21 PM (LvTSG)

Fuck that. This also looks like a ready made excuse not to do anything if China attacks Taiwan (not that they need one) 'Hey, we're already fighting in Ukraine!'

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 24, 2022 12:23 PM (dNqv+)

59 >>> If Putin wants to roll in to change out one set of kleptocrats for his own set, they'll send young red state men to die for that cause.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford

Good point.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 24, 2022 12:23 PM (bkUtD)

60 I don't blame Europe for wanting to negotiate without a brain dead guy sitting his pants in the room.

Posted by: Jimco Industries at January 24, 2022 12:24 PM (SWQDk)

61 Are the renewable energy tanks ready.

Posted by: Boss Moss at January 24, 2022 12:24 PM (todmg)

62 This is another obvious ginned-up crisis to distract from Biden's manifest failures at home.

Posted by: Revenant
===

You got that wrong, fat. This is another ginned up failure to distract from my failures at home.

Posted by: Joe Biden at January 24, 2022 12:24 PM (iDcra)

63 I looked into Putin's eyes and my first thought was, "Hey, this guy just might blow me." But then, that's always my first thought.

Posted by: George W. Bush at January 24, 2022 12:24 PM (sWM8x)

64 One thing that's not being reported on is that if/when Russia does invade Ukraine, many will welcome Russia as liberators. Ukraine is nominally a sovereign state, but a significant portion of its population is ethnically Russian or sympathizes with Russia. Putin probably has better polling in Ukraine than Joey Mudbrain does here. The same thing happened with Crimea. Putin was mostly welcomed in.

Posted by: Elric Blade at January 24, 2022 12:24 PM (iFTx/)

65 Ukraine's Army is 550,000. It has the supposed support of the EU, and US. We DO have 150 US troops on the ground.... 150 Spec Forces doing Training, but reporters say they will leave if Russia Invades.

Ukraine has two breakaway provinces, in the South West portion of the country, that Russia supports. With the US and EU support, Ukraine wants to reoccupy those provinces, which is why the media is talking about 'territorial integrity and how important borders are.

Putin has seen that move, and upped his normal 75,000 troops near that border, to 127,000. Most of these troops are Conscripts serving out their mandatory ONE YEAR term of service.

This, IMO, is a move by the deep State, to create a small War, so Biden can look tough.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 24, 2022 12:24 PM (oHd/0)

66 I got an Epoch "alert" that the UK and Germany were pulling their embassy personnel and telling citizens to leave Ukraine. So, the EU is either staying in or pulling out.

Posted by: Grudge Harbor at January 24, 2022 12:24 PM (wBpKf)

67 1st Battalion (Never Trump)
CDR: Vindman
XO: Kinzinger
Intel: Billet Not Filled
Chemical: Swalwell

You do not want to be there when Swalwell detonates.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at January 24, 2022 12:24 PM (vNbzm)

68 NORMZZZZ Status:
[ ] Restored
[X] Back-Doored

Posted by: ShainS -- Beware the Branch Covidians at January 24, 2022 12:24 PM (3SXZD)

69 Sure, some soldiers might die ... but have you considered they would do so defending our quarterly dividends and executive annual bonuses. If that's not worth it, I don't know what is.

Posted by: Lockheed-Boeing Lobbyists at January 24, 2022 12:24 PM (dYe5S)

70 Reposted from the ahhht thread:

371 No way on the planet is the US going to go head to head with Russia over the Ukraine or in the Ukraine.

That is not going to happen.

I think the administration knows what is going to happen, they are just trying to figure out how to make the most domestic political hay out of it.

The region of the Ukraine in dispute is mostly ethnic Russian and they are supportive of becoming a part of Russia. Yeah, I know, Sudentenland and all that, but I don't really think Putin is on a world domination tour.

Anyway, I think the administration is pretty sure that the Russians will go there by whatever method. I think their angle will be "see how dangerous the Russians are and TrumpRussia! and you need to get rid of the filibuster so we can make the rules so that no way can TrumpRussia be President of these United States!"
Posted by: blaster at January 24, 2022 10:37 AM (9otr5)

Posted by: blaster at January 24, 2022 12:24 PM (9otr5)

71 Sorry we were right about Iraq even if retards also agreed.

Ukraine is a different animal .

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at January 24, 2022 12:24 PM (z8oRC)

72 My map of late 1950s Africa in my grade-school era encyclopedia has been obsolete for a long time.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 24, 2022
*
Try your map of 1980s Europe.
Posted by: blaster at January 24, 2022

***
Oddly, I do have an atlas from the late '60s and another from the mid-'80s. " 'Czechoslovakia'? Where's that?"

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 24, 2022 12:25 PM (txdEq)

73 Posted by: Romeo13 at January 24, 2022 12:24 PM (oHd/0)

Need more coffeeve, breakaway provinces are in the South EAST portion of Uke.... sorry.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 24, 2022 12:25 PM (oHd/0)

74
btw, next week is yet another miserable fake stupid racist "black history month."

Also, it's the Grim Anniversary of when Ted Cruz Went To Cancun.

It's also the grim 13-month anniversary of Jan 6th.

And the ongoing funerals of john mccain and john lewis, of course.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at January 24, 2022 12:25 PM (qCp+w)

75 56 Also, tens of thousands of US troops are apparently going to be deployed to Eastern Europe.

Orders going out in the next day or two.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 24, 2022 12:23 PM (I2/tG)

And what is Europe doing? Sending any troops?...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 24, 2022 12:25 PM (ynpvh)

76 Every one of those soldiers are going to need masks. Lots and lots of masks.

* rubs hands together gleefully *

Posted by: Big Mask at January 24, 2022 12:25 PM (vrz2I)

77 This, IMO, is a move by the deep State, to create a small War, so Biden can look tough.
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 24, 2022 12:24 PM (oHd/0)
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And to deflect attention from all his other screw-ups.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 24, 2022 12:25 PM (YqDXo)

78 41 Does the Bulwark have an actual audience that doesn't read them ironically?
Posted by: N.L. Urker, getting serious about lurking at January 24, 2022 12:22 PM (eGTCV)

I was listening to a WNYC show called On The Media yesterday morning. The topic was how to confront people who still push The Big Lie. Among other useful idiots interviewed, Brooke Gladstone interviewed Bill Kristol. He says that he's ready to vote for Biden again in 2024.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 24, 2022 12:25 PM (f39+s)

79 Ethnic Russians have been living in the Ukraine for a very long time. Putin can use the same causus belli as Hitler did with Austria.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at January 24, 2022 12:25 PM (jTmQV)

80 66 I got an Epoch "alert" that the UK and Germany were pulling their embassy personnel and telling citizens to leave Ukraine. So, the EU is either staying in or pulling out.
Posted by: Grudge Harbor at January 24, 2022 12:24 PM (wBpKf)

That pretty much covers it!

Posted by: blaster at January 24, 2022 12:25 PM (9otr5)

81 It really is amazing to watch in real time how an incompetent and corrupt government can destroy a great nation.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at January 24, 2022 12:25 PM (guGkK)

82 And what is Europe doing? Sending any troops?...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 24, 2022 12:25 PM (ynpvh)
-------------------

Do pastry chefs count?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 24, 2022 12:26 PM (YqDXo)

83 64 One thing that's not being reported on is that if/when Russia does invade Ukraine, many will welcome Russia as liberators. Ukraine is nominally a sovereign state, but a significant portion of its population is ethnically Russian or sympathizes with Russia. Putin probably has better polling in Ukraine than Joey Mudbrain does here. The same thing happened with Crimea. Putin was mostly welcomed in.
Posted by: Elric Blade at January 24, 2022 12:24 PM (iFTx/)

Incorrect. That portion of Ukraine is already occupied by Russia and has been for several years.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2022 12:26 PM (z5Vrg)

84 Whomever is running the show in DC had better get their collective shit together. *biden's got a fairly good alibi in that he's mentally incapacitated to the point he couldn't be held responsible for the disaster that awaits.

The media will agree.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 24, 2022 12:26 PM (BFigT)

85 No quagmires allowed by Vlad.
Posted by: kraken

Giggity, giggity, giggity!
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 24, 2022 12:22 PM (bkUtD)

ISWYDT

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at January 24, 2022 12:26 PM (V6f9+)

86 Kristol is, I think, smart enough to understand the current administration is corrupt enough to use the death of Americans as a ploy to bring up polling numbers and distract from their domestic failures.

Which is what Kristol is actually advocating for. I really doubt Kristol cares that much about Ukraine.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/)) at January 24, 2022 12:26 PM (5pTK/)

87 Oddly, I do have an atlas from the late '60s and another from the mid-'80s. " 'Czechoslovakia'? Where's that?"
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 24, 2022 12:25 PM (txdEq)

I have a 40 piece set of 'World Books' from the early 70's. They were the ones I used to do reports with as a kid (inherited them).

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 24, 2022 12:27 PM (oHd/0)

88 I think the administration knows what is going to happen, they are just trying to figure out how to make the most domestic political hay out of it.

---

Mostly agree, but things happen "unexpectedly" with these clowns.

Posted by: Grudge Harbor at January 24, 2022 12:27 PM (wBpKf)

89 Does the Bulwark have an actual audience that doesn't read them ironically?
Posted by: N.L. Urker, getting serious about lurking at January 24, 2022 12:22 PM (eGTCV)

I've noticed that all the cool kids are drinking their coffee from Bulwark mugs these days.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at January 24, 2022 12:27 PM (guGkK)

90 The "The" debate about Ukraine. The article "the" applied to Ukraine implies that it is the edge of something...in this case Russia. Those crazy Ukrainians have a fickle relationship with their ancient cousins. Pepper vodka and salo is about all I need from Ukraine.

Posted by: Mishdog at January 24, 2022 12:27 PM (/VWLE)

91
All of it will end up in Syria.

Speaking of Syria, we are way, way overdue for another round of "Assad just used chemical weapons" bullshit.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at January 24, 2022 12:27 PM (qCp+w)

92 The embassy personnel are leaving, but the regular American citizens will not be evacuated. i guess this is the new Democrat thing; leaving people in war zones.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 24, 2022 12:19 PM (bkUtD)

honestly though, except for a few probable special cases, any american in the ukraine should be able to unass themselves. travel there can't be similar to afghanistan, i'd wager. they should be on a train, plane, or in a car on the highway by now.

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at January 24, 2022 12:27 PM (8D42x)

93 This, IMO, is a move by the deep State, to create a small War, so Biden can look tough.
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 24, 2022 12:24 PM (oHd/0)

So far, his stance here has looked by turns sleepy, insane, cowardly, stupid and now retarded.

Tough might be hard to pull off.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 24, 2022 12:27 PM (dNqv+)

94 The Biden junta is shifting into high gear of destruction as they see 2022 being a blowout. Hold on to your asses this ain't going to be pretty.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at January 24, 2022 12:27 PM (iDcra)

95
Actually getting shot at is for the lower classes.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 24, 2022 12:27 PM (S8fQ+)

96
My old Spanish books have a few letters that no longer appear in today's Spanish alphabet.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 24, 2022

***
Yes -- I remember that "ll" was a letter to itself in Spanish, but my more modern U. of Chicago dictionary says it no longer is a letter.

Older still, the inscriptions on El Morro rock in New Mexico from the 1590s and 1600s are in an antique Spanish, much as Shakespeare's English is to us today.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 24, 2022 12:28 PM (txdEq)

97 Ace,

I have said it many times: I do not give a rat's ass about Ukraine.

I do however care about America keeping its word...and we promised Ukraine to defend it if they gave up their nukes.

We could easily have kept Russia out with measures far short of war, but now its too late, and I don't want war anyway.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 24, 2022 12:28 PM (Q9lwr)

98 Mostly agree, but things happen "unexpectedly" with these clowns.
Posted by: Grudge Harbor at January 24, 2022 12:27 PM (wBpKf)

When two nations are playing a game of chicken and the head of one has a head with the consistency of cottage cheese, all bets are off.

Posted by: Thrawn at January 24, 2022 12:28 PM (Rl7KJ)

99 >>>honestly though, except for a few probable special cases, any american in the ukraine should be able to unass themselves. travel there can't be similar to afghanistan, i'd wager. they should be on a train, plane, or in a car on the highway by now.
Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x)

It borders Slovakia, so if they can get across the border, they should be fine.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 24, 2022 12:28 PM (bkUtD)

100 Red Lines are being drawn.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 24, 2022 12:28 PM (yQpMk)

101 I thought we went round and round here that it was just supposed to be Ukraine, not The Ukraine.

Apparently you lost your most recent copy of the AoSHQ Style Guide.

It is The Ukraine; the The is silent.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at January 24, 2022 12:28 PM (lD3vL)

102 You know who is absolutely silent on this? Markos Moulitsas ("Kos"), that's who.

The guy previously wanted American soldiers slaughtered on live TV to teach the rubes a good lesson against foreign wars. Daily Kos has not a single article attacking the Biden Junta for this entire fucking debacle.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at January 24, 2022 12:28 PM (1Q2Jm)

103 Oddly, I do have an atlas from the late '60s and another from the mid-'80s. " 'Czechoslovakia'? Where's that?"
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 24, 2022 12:25 PM (txdEq)

Now that's what I wish we could do.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at January 24, 2022 12:28 PM (z8oRC)

104 This, IMO, is a move by the deep State, to create a small War, so Biden can look tough.
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 24, 2022 12:24 PM (oHd/0)

Ja, one solid kick and ze whole rotten edifice vill come down!

Posted by: A. Schicklgruber at January 24, 2022 12:29 PM (guGkK)

105 And what is Europe doing? Sending any troops?...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 24, 2022 12:25 PM (ynpvh)

Strongly worded letter to the UN, then a plea for Putin not to shut off the Natural Gas... Winter there, ya know...

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 24, 2022 12:29 PM (oHd/0)

106 Remember when the main knock against Biden was how creepy he acted around little girls?

Posted by: Dr. T at January 24, 2022 12:29 PM (bhRsz)

107 >>>71 Sorry we were right about Iraq even if retards also agreed.

we were right in the sense we had to occupy and rebuild the country?

We accomplished the decapitation in two weeks.

Posted by: ace at January 24, 2022 12:29 PM (0G13K)

108 I was told the threat of extremely extreme, painfully painful sanctions would make Vlad immediately order his troops to run back to their barracks like scalded dogs. Surely Brandon and The Junta has not mis-judged Vlad, let alone lied to me!

Right?

Posted by: Gref at January 24, 2022 12:29 PM (AMIL/)

109 Yikes Stock market down 1000... Way to go Joe !

Posted by: It's me donna .. God bless and Keep OM, Tami and Red at January 24, 2022 12:29 PM (g43JH)

110 It'll be interesting when we're trying to purchase fuel from Russia in order to fight the Russians; Biden the George Armstrong Custer of foreign entanglements.

Posted by: pahound at January 24, 2022 12:29 PM (iJTb9)

111 #BringBackChickenKiev

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at January 24, 2022 12:29 PM (Qzatw)

112 But not everyone who doubts the wisdom of a war, or is generally cool about war, is anti-American, of course.

Very true. But everyone who hates America supports any war that will cut her off at the knees.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 24, 2022 12:29 PM (2JVJo)

113
I was listening to a WNYC show called On The Media yesterday morning. The topic was how to confront people who still push The Big Lie. Among other useful idiots interviewed, Brooke Gladstone interviewed Bill Kristol. He says that he's ready to vote for Biden again in 2024.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 24, 2022 12:25 PM (f39+s)

If like attracts like that would suggest Kristol is also a senile, corrupt pervert.

Posted by: N.L. Urker, getting serious about lurking at January 24, 2022 12:30 PM (eGTCV)

114 The wheels are coming off the fat lady.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at January 24, 2022 12:30 PM (guGkK)

115 So everybody on the internet who two months ago was an expert on COVID is now an expert on geopolitical strategy?

Posted by: Muldoon at January 24, 2022 12:30 PM (m45I2)

116 84 Whomever is running the show in DC had better get their collective shit together. *biden's got a fairly good alibi in that he's mentally incapacitated to the point he couldn't be held responsible for the disaster that awaits.
____________

Quick! Somebody prepare some new study binders for Doctor Jill!

Don't worry, America! You're in the best of hands!!!

Posted by: Ron Klain at January 24, 2022 12:30 PM (k4dH2)

117 96
My old Spanish books have a few letters that no longer appear in today's Spanish alphabet.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 24, 2022

***
Yes -- I remember that "ll" was a letter to itself in Spanish, but my more modern U. of Chicago dictionary says it no longer is a letter.

Older still, the inscriptions on El Morro rock in New Mexico from the 1590s and 1600s are in an antique Spanish, much as Shakespeare's English is to us today.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 24, 2022 12:28 PM (txdEq)

Gone letters: ch, ll, rr.
I can understand why. Phonetically, they are different, but use either combined symbols (ch) or double of the same (ll, rr).

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 24, 2022 12:30 PM (ynpvh)

118 The wheels are coming off the fat lady.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at January 24, 2022 12:30 PM

The shoe's on the other hand now!

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at January 24, 2022 12:30 PM (bVYXr)

119 If like attracts like that would suggest Kristol is also a senile, corrupt pervert.
Posted by: N.L. Urker, getting serious about lurking at January 24, 2022 12:30 PM (eGTCV)

This checks out.

Posted by: blaster at January 24, 2022 12:30 PM (9otr5)

120
Red Lines are being drawn.
Posted by: G'rump928

Red Lines, I say!

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at January 24, 2022 12:30 PM (qCp+w)

121
I'm surprised Bidet is doing this. he already got his money, so what does he care what happens to Ukraine.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 24, 2022 12:21 PM (bkUtD)

**

It's not just Biden whose family makes millions over there. I suspect it's the majority of D.C. families, (R)s and (D)s.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - read closely, it's impossible to get a negative result from the free COVID tests at January 24, 2022 12:30 PM (yn7Jr)

122 Good thing that unlike his predecessor, Brandon 33% doesnt pay attention to the stock market

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at January 24, 2022 12:30 PM (Qzatw)

123 97 Ace,

I have said it many time: I do not give a rat's ass about Ukraine.

I do however care about America keeping its word...and we promised Ukraine to defend it if they gave up their nukes.

We could easily have kept Russia out with measures far short of war, but now its too late, and I don't want war anyway.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 24, 2022 12:28 PM (Q9lwr)

Given time Russian can probably flip Ukraine back to their side with diplomatic means. Unlike say, Poland or Finland which they'll have to invade.

To all appearances, the West wants to make this a "defensive" conflict to retake territory that Ukranian territory Russia occupied a few years back.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2022 12:31 PM (z5Vrg)

124 My dad had some books and dictionaries in Russian. A couple of letters from their alphabet also disappeared.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 24, 2022 12:31 PM (ynpvh)

125 The Big Lie. Among other useful idiots interviewed, Brooke Gladstone interviewed Bill Kristol. He says that he's ready to vote for Biden again in 2024.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 24, 2022 12:25 PM (f39+s)

Only people who will be voting for Joe are in the Dominion machines

Posted by: It's me donna .. God bless and Keep OM, Tami and Red at January 24, 2022 12:31 PM (g43JH)

126 Ukraine fucked up and trusted democrats. Much like we here in America. War is inevitable now. We would be wise to sit this one out.

Posted by: USNtakim deplorable still. at January 24, 2022 12:31 PM (0OmEj)

127 So everybody on the internet who two months ago was an expert on COVID is now an expert on geopolitical strategy?
Posted by: Muldoon at January 24, 2022 12:30 PM (m45I2)

I am being forced to look at the map.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 24, 2022 12:31 PM (yQpMk)

128 Can we trade the Biden Crime Family for Ukraine and a pipeline to be named later -- since the former has more money in its Cayman Islands bank accounts?

Posted by: ShainS -- Beware the Branch Covidians at January 24, 2022 12:31 PM (3SXZD)

129 >>> Ace,

I have said it many times: I do not give a rat's ass about Ukraine.

I do however care about America keeping its word...and we promised Ukraine to defend it if they gave up their nukes.

...

I thought that when this issue came up a few years back, it turned out that that promise was vague and sort of a "do our best" commitment, not a specific commitment to commit military forces, and Ukraine understood that.

Posted by: ace at January 24, 2022 12:31 PM (0G13K)

130 115 So everybody on the internet who two months ago was an expert on COVID is now an expert on geopolitical strategy?
Posted by: Muldoon at January 24, 2022 12:30 PM (m45I2)

You're too young to be this cynical.

Posted by: blaster at January 24, 2022 12:31 PM (9otr5)

131 Also the Democrats are trying to get a decent war started up so that they have something to run against when the Republicans win in the next election and possibly the presidency.

That's not a joke.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - read closely, it's impossible to get a negative result from the free COVID tests at January 24, 2022 12:20 PM (yn7Jr)
----------------

I've had the same thought.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 24, 2022 12:31 PM (YqDXo)

132 *Yes, I know he has his own reasons. So long as he kills allies of the Democrats and the deep state, I don't care.
Posted by: Methos

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

*at least temporarily*

Posted by: Tonypete at January 24, 2022 12:31 PM (mD/uy)

133 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 24, 2022 12:28 PM (Q9lwr)

I see no treaty Ratified by the Senate. THAT is the way America gives its word to do something, not just the Promise of a politican.

Because we KNOW Politician's promises are not worth spit.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 24, 2022 12:31 PM (oHd/0)

134 I always saw Ukraine as the country and The Ukraine as the geographical area.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at January 24, 2022 12:31 PM (z8oRC)

135 Ethnic Russians have been living in the Ukraine for a very long time. Putin can use the same causus belli as Hitler did with Austria.

It gets more complicated than that. A lot of ethnic Ukrainians are native Russian speakers, and a lot more Ukrainians speak "Surzhyk", which is a Russian - Ukrainian patois. Ukraine's insistence that only Ukrainian is a valid official language pisses off a lot of people.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 24, 2022 12:31 PM (I2/tG)

136 I do however care about America keeping its word...and we promised Ukraine to defend it if they gave up their nukes.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 24, 2022 12:28 PM (Q9lwr)

Problem is, that the US Federal Govt does not keep it's word. It lies to its citizens and it lies to the international community. It's time that everyone wake up to this reality.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 24, 2022 12:31 PM (Y5qcH)

137 129 I thought that when this issue came up a few years back, it turned out that that promise was vague and sort of a "do our best" commitment, not a specific commitment to commit military forces, and Ukraine understood that.

Posted by: ace at January 24, 2022 12:31 PM (0G13K)

==========

It was a memo, I believe. Not even a treaty.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 24, 2022 12:31 PM (LvTSG)

138 and really, that whole corner of Ottoman Europe looks pretty worthless to me.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 24, 2022 12:31 PM (yQpMk)

139
If you want to fight for Ukraine, then go there fuckingselves.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at January 24, 2022 12:31 PM (qCp+w)

140 If there is shooting will tranny soldiers be on the front line?

Posted by: N.L. Urker, getting serious about lurking at January 24, 2022 12:32 PM (eGTCV)

141 123 97 To all appearances, the West wants to make this a "defensive" conflict to retake territory that Ukranian territory Russia occupied a few years back.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2022 12:31 PM (z5Vrg)

Hmmm. I don't recall Crimea being ceded, exactly.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 24, 2022 12:32 PM (ynpvh)

142 Don't worry. Top men are on this. Top men.

Posted by: Boss Moss at January 24, 2022 12:32 PM (todmg)

143 >>>125 The Big Lie. Among other useful idiots interviewed, Brooke Gladstone interviewed Bill Kristol. He says that he's ready to vote for Biden again in 2024.
Posted by: Darrell Harris

okay. He's making several assumptions there

Posted by: ace at January 24, 2022 12:32 PM (0G13K)

144 >>>One thing that's not being reported on is that if/when Russia does invade Ukraine, many will welcome Russia as liberators. Ukraine is nominally a sovereign state, but a significant portion of its population is ethnically Russian or sympathizes with Russia. Putin probably has better polling in Ukraine than Joey Mudbrain does here. The same thing happened with Crimea. Putin was mostly welcomed in.
Posted by: Elric Blade at January 24, 2022 12:24 PM (iFTx/)

Only in the eastern portion (and there mainly the cities), where a lot of ethnic Russians were moved in by Stalin. From Kiev west, saying something like that will get you knifed.

Posted by: Dr. T at January 24, 2022 12:32 PM (bhRsz)

145 When I was in the Service (Army Reserve/NG, 1988-2000), unlike all you loudmouthed civilian chickenhawks, I never took the "STFU you commie traitor" attitude. A large country needs a counterweight to the other political pole, even if just to keep it from rushing, headlong and unstoppable, into some horrific mess.

Posted by: SFGoth at January 24, 2022 12:32 PM (KAi1n)

146 Hunter likes to bag the chicks at THE Ukrainian State University.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 24, 2022 12:32 PM (/EuRN)

147 btw, next week is yet another miserable fake stupid racist "black history month."

The nightmare continues...

Posted by: Captain Hate won't forget Michael Byrd Murdered Ashli Babbitt at January 24, 2022 12:32 PM (y7DUB)

148 The region of the Ukraine in dispute is mostly ethnic Russian and they are supportive of becoming a part of Russia. Yeah, I know, Sudentenland and all that, but I don't really think Putin is on a world domination tour.

Anyway, I think the administration is pretty sure that the Russians will go there by whatever method. I think their angle will be "see how dangerous the Russians are and TrumpRussia! and you need to get rid of the filibuster so we can make the rules so that no way can TrumpRussia be President of these United States!"
Posted by: blaster at January 24, 2022 10:37 AM (9otr5)
Posted by: blaster at January 24, 2022 12:24 PM (9otr5)

With respect, Putin's goal is to rebuild the borders and structure of the USSR. I don't know if he has goals beyond that, but he's going to try to remake what Soviets once had before he goes.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at January 24, 2022 12:32 PM (V6f9+)

149 I'm kind of torn on this one. I hate to see the U.S. pushed around but the potential for escalation is just to high, especially with these nitwits in charge of the U.S. military. There are other means but this admin doesn't seem interested.

Posted by: Javems at January 24, 2022 12:32 PM (AmoqO)

150 133 I see no treaty Ratified by the Senate. THAT is the way America gives its word to do something, not just the Promise of a politican.

Because we KNOW Politician's promises are not worth spit.
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 24, 2022 12:31 PM (oHd/0)

=========

Promise of a bureaucrat. At most, a promise of a cabinet secretary.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 24, 2022 12:32 PM (LvTSG)

151 DOW -1011
NASTY -636 (!!)

Posted by: CZ = FNG To Remain Silent Because, FNG at January 24, 2022 12:32 PM (MkuC5)

152 Ukraine fucked up and trusted democrats.
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Think the lesson is lost on Japan, Taiwan, Israel ...

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 24, 2022 12:32 PM (YqDXo)

153 @70 Blaster-

I think you are right that this is a play for domestic consumption/distraction from Brandon's dismal record. If the chattering class is is chattering about this there's less oxygen for Covid vaccine failure stories, inflation stories, empty store shelves stories, etc.

If we had an opposition with some brains they'd be doing the same and scream about the how apparently the only border NOT worth defending is our own.

Posted by: ravenmother at January 24, 2022 12:32 PM (XF1Iz)

154 107 >>>71 Sorry we were right about Iraq even if retards also agreed.

we were right in the sense we had to occupy and rebuild the country?

We accomplished the decapitation in two weeks.
Posted by: ace at January 24, 2022 12:29 PM (0G13K)

The clean-up was definitely mishandled. In a grand strategy sense Iraq was a pretty sensible place to take and even with the shoddy execution might've been worthwhile had we not just left under Obama.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2022 12:33 PM (z5Vrg)

155 Stacy Abrams better get her singing voice warmed up.

The Biden Junta is about to get wiped out.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at January 24, 2022 12:33 PM (1Q2Jm)

156 "...and we promised Ukraine to defend it if they gave up their nukes."

That was Sec of State Clinton. And Pres. Obama.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at January 24, 2022 12:33 PM (jTmQV)

157 Excessive caution is strategic patience.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 24, 2022 12:33 PM (63Dwl)

158 115 So everybody on the internet who two months ago was an expert on COVID is now an expert on geopolitical strategy?
Posted by: Muldoon
____________

Well the actual "experts" haven't acquitted themselves particularly well recently, now have they?

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at January 24, 2022 12:33 PM (k4dH2)

159 Ukraine should be Europe's problem...

Posted by: It's me donna .. God bless and Keep OM, Tami and Red at January 24, 2022 12:33 PM (g43JH)

160 Yay, market is collapsing and we may get to see American boys go up against Russian artillery. Fucking disaster...

Posted by: Garbone at January 24, 2022 12:33 PM (wbL7w)

161 So everybody on the internet who two months ago was an expert on COVID is now an expert on geopolitical strategy?
Posted by: Muldoon

Human nature is human nature. Doesn't change much. It's like chess. Only so many moves available. Especially if you have seen this show before.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 24, 2022 12:33 PM (uXonU)

162 136 I do however care about America keeping its word...and we promised Ukraine to defend it if they gave up their nukes.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 24, 2022 12:28 PM (Q9lwr)

Problem is, that the US Federal Govt does not keep it's word. It lies to its citizens and it lies to the international community. It's time that everyone wake up to this reality.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 24, 2022 12:31 PM (Y5qcH)

There are a few hundred treaties somewhere with the various Indian tribes...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 24, 2022 12:33 PM (ynpvh)

163 The people running our govt have little to know interest in foreign policy. THey mainly want to change the US and consolidate political power. Foreign Affairs is a time sink. Foreign policywise, they will do whatever gives them the greatest ability to pursue their domestic agenda. If that means walking away and leaving everything behind -- as you have already seen, that is what they will do.

Posted by: Its clown world anything is possible at January 24, 2022 12:33 PM (krr9p)

164 136 I do however care about America keeping its word...and we promised Ukraine to defend it if they gave up their nukes.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 24, 2022 12:28 PM (Q9lwr)

Problem is, that the US Federal Govt does not keep it's word. It lies to its citizens and it lies to the international community. It's time that everyone wake up to this reality.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 24, 2022 12:31 PM (Y5qcH)

"Agreement", not a treaty. Never went to the Senate. Our word is built on shifting grains of sand.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 24, 2022 12:33 PM (f39+s)

165 btw, next week is yet another miserable fake stupid racist "black history month."

*

HELL YEAH PEANUT BUTTER

Posted by: Moron Robbie - read closely, it's impossible to get a negative result from the free COVID tests at January 24, 2022 12:33 PM (yn7Jr)

166 Let's not lose sight of one very important thing.
No more mean tweets.

What's a little collateral damage compared to the horrors of a Trump loose on social media?

I gave up the wrong week to stop huffing Krylon.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at January 24, 2022 12:34 PM (wAnMi)

167 One thing that takes no guesswork at all, whatever course this administration takes, it will be wrong, and highly incompetent. Once again, Biden will fuck up and his Generals aren't worth the weight of Kristol's morning trough of breakfast.

Posted by: Cheri at January 24, 2022 12:34 PM (jOXVr)

168 I could see Nadler clearing a mine field

Posted by: Blutarski at January 24, 2022 12:34 PM (BF5ug)

169 Ukrainians starve at the same rate as Russians? Just curious if 1930s era nutrition is still in play.

Posted by: Eromero at January 24, 2022 12:34 PM (0OP+5)

170 140 If there is shooting will tranny soldiers be on the front line?

Posted by: N.L. Urker, getting serious about lurking at January 24, 2022 12:32 PM (eGTCV)

They may have more-or-less to lose than the average man.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 24, 2022 12:34 PM (ynpvh)

171 Its TEOTWAWKI!

Hide the women.

Load ALL the mags.

Posted by: CZ = FNG To Remain Silent Because, FNG at January 24, 2022 12:34 PM (MkuC5)

172 I do however care about America keeping its word...and we promised Ukraine to defend it if they gave up their nukes.

Please identify the Senate-ratified treaty where we promised to do that.

We are under a treaty obligation to defend NATO members. We are under no treaty obligation to defend Ukraine.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 24, 2022 12:34 PM (I2/tG)

173 The neocon tribe can stomp their feet and hold their breath until they conk out and die (is that fifteen seconds for obese pigs like Kristol and Nadler?), it won't matter.

What does matter is that after Biden's speech and evacuation order, the Ukies would be out of their minds to keep pissing off Russia. Putin will turn Kiev to rubble just to have an example of how worthless NATO is.

Posted by: trev006 at January 24, 2022 12:34 PM (Eqkqm)

174 WHEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!

Posted by: The Dow at January 24, 2022 12:34 PM (todmg)

175 6 Saw it mentioned earlier.

Joe has lost two nations and two embassies in six months.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - read closely, it's impossible to get a negative result from the free COVID tests at January 24, 2022 12:17 PM (yn7Jr)

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"Biden is a white hat (potted-)plant who will finally rid us of the State Department! Trust the plan." -- Q

Posted by: ShainS -- Beware the Branch Covidians at January 24, 2022 12:34 PM (sd3nz)

176 Oddly, I do have an atlas from the late '60s and another from the mid-'80s. " 'Czechoslovakia'? Where's that?"

Willowed, but on topic:

As fast as regimes fall and borders shift, countries get annexed and then split up, memorizing a map of Europe is like watching different colored T-shirts tumbling by in the dryer down at the laundromat.
Posted by: Muldoon

Posted by: Muldoon at January 24, 2022 12:34 PM (m45I2)

177 It'll be interesting when we're trying to purchase fuel from Russia in order to fight the Russians; Biden the George Armstrong Custer of foreign entanglements.

Yep, that happened a few years ago when the northeast decided that they no longer wanted natural gas to power their grid - until they needed the power due to the lack of wind and the lack of above freezing temperatures.

Homes get first dibs for natural gas heating, then the power plants. Because of other disruptions, low supply and The Jones Act, LNG had to be imported from Russia to keep the northeast states from freezing in the dark.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at January 24, 2022 12:34 PM (lD3vL)

178 So everybody on the internet who two months ago was an expert on COVID is now an expert on geopolitical strategy?

*

Imagine how much worse the Ukraine situation would be if Joe wasn't vaccinated.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - read closely, it's impossible to get a negative result from the free COVID tests at January 24, 2022 12:34 PM (yn7Jr)

179 I'd feel better about the Europeans getting involved without us (would show an independence they have needed for oh... 30 years? On the other hand, them finding out how much they can get for surrendering eastern europe (fuck ukraine, I am talking about Poland, Hungary, etc.) may not be so good.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 24, 2022 12:34 PM (dNqv+)

180 I kinda hope Biden goes all-in on a US war to protect Ukraine.

This is the military that lied to the last commander in chief, several times.
They can slog in an endless quagmire they don't know how to, and never can, win until every single star is dishonored.
Let them beg relief from the political master they've chained themselves to, for they deserve no audience from American citizens.

Posted by: Well at January 24, 2022 12:35 PM (fcPWy)

181 Posted by: Romeo13 at January 24, 2022 12:31 PM (oHd/0)

We think alike, it seems. My comment followed yours.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 24, 2022 12:35 PM (f39+s)

182
With respect, Putin's goal is to rebuild the borders and structure of the USSR. I don't know if he has goals beyond that, but he's going to try to remake what Soviets once had before he goes.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at January 24, 2022 12:32 PM (V6f9+)

Russian Empire is probably a better description of the goals. The USSR had global presence and influence in a way that the Russian Empire did not. No way he gets China to play the junior role for instance.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2022 12:35 PM (z5Vrg)

183 If we had an opposition with some brains they'd be doing the same and scream about the how apparently the only border NOT worth defending is our own.
Posted by: ravenmother at January 24, 2022 12:32 PM (XF1Iz)
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They dont want to defend the border either.

Posted by: Revenant at January 24, 2022 12:35 PM (cOGHc)

184
What's worse, I predict, is biden will ask Congress for approval -- because he's different and better.

biden (his handlers, really) will do this knowing he'll get most Republicans to vote for it!

Thus pitting the Republican Shits against their own fake-war-weary base just in time for the '22 midterms. And then biden and the Democrats will blame the Republicans for going to "Eastern Europe."

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at January 24, 2022 12:35 PM (qCp+w)

185 The Junta is not going to let this opportunity pass by.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at January 24, 2022 12:35 PM (EZebt)

186 CDR Salamander, who links to Ace in his blogroll has some thoughts on this whole Ukraine thing.

Can't say he's right.

Can't say he's wrong.

Just a different viewpoint to consider.

https://tinyurl.com/5n8exmaa

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice. Asymptomatic raycist at January 24, 2022 12:35 PM (3D/fK)

187 >>>It's not just Biden whose family makes millions over there. I suspect it's the majority of D.C. families, (R)s and (D)s.
Posted by: Moron Robbie

You'd think they'd be happy with all the China money...

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 24, 2022 12:35 PM (bkUtD)

188 Don't worry. Top men are on this. Top men.
Posted by: Boss Moss at January 24, 2022 12:32 PM (todmg)

Govern us harder daddy.

Posted by: Bottom Boys at January 24, 2022 12:35 PM (wAnMi)

189
Imagine how much worse the Ukraine situation would be if Joe wasn't vaccinated.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - read closely, it's impossible to get a negative result from the free COVID tests at January 24, 2022 12:34 PM (yn7Jr)

Okay, I laughed and I probably shouldn't have

Posted by: It's me donna .. God bless and Keep OM, Tami and Red at January 24, 2022 12:35 PM (g43JH)

190 Speaking of Syria, we are way, way overdue for another round of "Assad just used chemical weapons" bullshit.

The CIA is trying to get some more chemical weapons in there, but the global supply chain is all fubar for some reason.

Posted by: Methos at January 24, 2022 12:35 PM (kOpft)

191 156 "...and we promised Ukraine to defend it if they gave up their nukes."

That was Sec of State Clinton. And Pres. Obama.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at January 24, 2022 12:33 PM (jTmQV)

Only the tip, I promise--SCOAMF

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 24, 2022 12:35 PM (ynpvh)

192 How about some mass graves for neverTrumpers?

Posted by: Mr Gaga at January 24, 2022 12:35 PM (KiBMU)

193 "we promised Ukraine to defend it if they gave up their nukes."

There is a famous line from an infamous movie that addresses this statement.

Posted by: Big Mask at January 24, 2022 12:35 PM (vrz2I)

194 the fellow who signed hunters' checks kolomoisky, also owns half the parliament over there, the whole impeachment game was over the monies the country team allowed to be lost some 6 billion dollars,

Posted by: no 6 at January 24, 2022 12:36 PM (hMlTh)

195 How can everyday Dems know which side to be on in the Russia-Ukraine fight since both are pretty white and there's no evidence either side even has a position on the two most critical things in the Universe: The John Lewis Voting Rights Act or the Senate filibuster? Do we even know whether The Ukraine masks children in its schools (for COVID reasons, not mustard gas reasons)?

Posted by: Match Checksout at January 24, 2022 12:36 PM (dYe5S)

196 The region of the Ukraine in dispute is mostly ethnic Russian and they are supportive of becoming a part of Russia. Yeah, I know, Sudentenland and all that, but I don't really think Putin is on a world domination tour.
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Substantial parts of Siberia are mostly various types of Chinese, so I approve of this message

Posted by: Chairman Xi at January 24, 2022 12:36 PM (1Q2Jm)

197 184 Thus pitting the Republican Shits against their own fake-war-weary base just in time for the '22 midterms. And then biden and the Democrats will blame the Republicans for going to "Eastern Europe."
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at January 24, 2022 12:35 PM (qCp+w)

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"It's the Republicans' fault that we're not involved in another unpopular war half a world away!"
-Interesting political strategy

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 24, 2022 12:36 PM (LvTSG)

198 Remember when Trump spent his presidency ending wars and abruptly making (other) countries decide they didn't want to f*ck with us any more?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - read closely, it's impossible to get a negative result from the free COVID tests at January 24, 2022 12:36 PM (yn7Jr)

199 Turn the frackers loose, collapse the price of oil. Then wait 6 months. Then we can talk.

And if Genny with a G Granholm laughs at the idea, well then we'll laugh right back.

Because if you aren't willing to exhaust your non- military options first, then I'd suspect your motives are less than pristine.

Posted by: 2009Refugee at January 24, 2022 12:36 PM (8AONa)

200 37 The Ukraine - start as a distraction, end as a quagmire. Just kidding. No quagmires allowed by Vlad.
Posted by: kraken at January 24, 2022 12:21 PM

He's done a pretty good job at keeping Bosnia, Kosovo and Serbia in a constant quagmire to stop NATO expansion in the Balkans.

Posted by: Grimmy at January 24, 2022 12:36 PM (JCZqz)

201
btw, a stupid racist black lady on The View complained that biden was being "treated like a black man."

I shit you not.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at January 24, 2022 12:36 PM (qCp+w)

202 This deployment talk is probably more about reassuring Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, and other Eastern Europeans than it is about supporting Ukraine. Deploying tripwire forces around Ukraine to insure that Putin doesn't get even friskier isn't crazy. It may not work, but it's not crazy.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at January 24, 2022 12:36 PM (sWM8x)

203 you farked up, you trusted us

Posted by: no 6 at January 24, 2022 12:36 PM (hMlTh)

204 >>>191 156 "...and we promised Ukraine to defend it if they gave up their nukes."

That was Sec of State Clinton. And Pres. Obama.

nah that was back during President Clinton's term, after the fall of the Soviet Union.

Posted by: ace at January 24, 2022 12:36 PM (0G13K)

205 201
btw, a stupid racist black lady on The View complained that biden was being "treated like a black man."

I shit you not.
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at January 24, 2022 12:36 PM (qCp+w)

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Racism has gotten really complicated.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 24, 2022 12:37 PM (LvTSG)

206 What do they mean by we.

Posted by: Boss Moss at January 24, 2022 12:37 PM (todmg)

207 Let them beg relief from the political master they've chained themselves to, for they deserve no audience from American citizens.
Posted by: Well at January 24, 2022 12:35 PM (fcPWy)

I doubt this will turn into a quagmire. It's so obviously suicidal to enter Ukraine that I think we might actually see mutinies against any officers that propose it. No soldier wants to be sacrificed for Biden's worthless credibility because they aren't cannon fodder. It'll be a trucker strike times fifty.

Posted by: trev006 at January 24, 2022 12:37 PM (Eqkqm)

208 Our completely inept, feckless and reckless government is now assumed to be competent to fight a war by the like of Kristol?

I don't know why I continue to be astonished at capacity for delusion among the ink stained wretches.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/)) at January 24, 2022 12:37 PM (5pTK/)

209 115 So everybody on the internet who two months ago was an expert on COVID is now an expert on geopolitical strategy?
Posted by: Muldoon at January 24, 2022 12:30 PM (m45I2)

I wouldn't claim to be an expert, but I do read history books to get my paycheck, and even if we ought to be doing something to help the Ukraine (or help Ukraine, whichever), threatening Russia's access to warm-water ports is one of the most suicidal things you can do.

Posted by: Dr. T at January 24, 2022 12:37 PM (bhRsz)

210 178 So everybody on the internet who two months ago was an expert on COVID is now an expert on geopolitical strategy?

*

Imagine how much worse the Ukraine situation would be if Joe wasn't vaccinated.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - read closely, it's impossible to get a negative result from the free COVID tests at January 24, 2022 12:34 PM (yn7Jr)

Of course that's the answer: Ukraninans need to vax better. That'll keep the Russians at bay.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 24, 2022 12:37 PM (ynpvh)

211 btw, a stupid racist black lady on The View complained that biden was being "treated like a black man."

*

She's not wrong.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - read closely, it's impossible to get a negative result from the free COVID tests at January 24, 2022 12:37 PM (yn7Jr)

212 The people running our govt have little to know interest in foreign policy.

Interestingly that phrase works both written and spoken.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at January 24, 2022 12:37 PM (lD3vL)

213 Let Europe deal with this alone.

Posted by: CN at January 24, 2022 12:37 PM (ONvIw)

214 btw, a stupid racist black lady on The View complained that biden was being "treated like a black man."

Well, he did move up the ranks by affirmative action.. No way he would be where he is without a little" help".....

Posted by: It's me donna .. God bless and Keep OM, Tami and Red at January 24, 2022 12:37 PM (g43JH)

215 I look at the map of NATO expansion, and I look at the population of Russia versus NATO (not to mention the relative GDP).

And I have a hard time believing Putin is being completely disingenuous when he says that Russia is tired of missiles being placed at the front of his house.

One way or the other, this is a terrible time to have such a terrible president as Joe Biden.

Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at January 24, 2022 12:37 PM (iSmWY)

216 Oddly, I do have an atlas from the late '60s and another from the mid-'80s. " 'Czechoslovakia'? Where's that?"
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 24, 2022
*
Now that's what I wish we could do.
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at January 24, 2022

***
Split into 2 separate geographic countries?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 24, 2022 12:37 PM (txdEq)

217 So, what will the MSM do now that their stock accounts are at risk?
This is getting very scary.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 24, 2022 12:38 PM (Y+l9t)

218 How about some mass graves for neverTrumpers?
Posted by: Mr Gaga at January 24, 2022 12:35 PM (KiBMU)

Gasp. How dare you. Dare, I say.

Posted by: trev006 at January 24, 2022 12:38 PM (Eqkqm)

219 It takes a lot of Dirty Money to hide Dirty Money. Eternally at the trough they must be.

Posted by: klaftern at January 24, 2022 12:38 PM (taPSh)

220 The country is coming unglued.

Posted by: Elmer at January 24, 2022 12:38 PM (U8y7n)

221 Kristol is asshoe

Posted by: CN at January 24, 2022 12:38 PM (ONvIw)

222 Hey Fat, we take Seoul and you give money?

Posted by: Kim "Me Big Fat" Jong-un at January 24, 2022 12:38 PM (wa3GZ)

223 As a starting point, regarding the Ukranian nuke agreement:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum

_on_Security_Assurances

Remove spaces

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at January 24, 2022 12:38 PM (V6f9+)

224 129
" that promise was vague and sort of a "do our best" commitment, not a specific commitment to commit military forces, and Ukraine understood that.'
The promise was made during the Bill Clinton administration, so I think your interpretation is correct but I don't know how Ukraine understood it.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at January 24, 2022 12:38 PM (vNbzm)

225
How dare you criticize biden just a week before black history month!

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at January 24, 2022 12:39 PM (qCp+w)

226 Ukrainistan. Never heard of it.

Posted by: Boss Moss at January 24, 2022 12:39 PM (todmg)

227 201
btw, a stupid racist black lady on The View complained that biden was being "treated like a black man."

I shit you not.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at January 24, 2022 12:36 PM (qCp+w)

Well, his pants DO sag down sometimes.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 24, 2022 12:39 PM (ynpvh)

228 Turn the frackers loose, collapse the price of oil. Then wait 6 months. Then we can talk.

Now convince the money changers to invest anything into low ESG scored industries.

The frackers don't have the capitalization.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at January 24, 2022 12:39 PM (lD3vL)

229 Imagine how much worse the Ukraine situation would be if Joe wasn't vaccinated.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - read closely, it's impossible to get a negative result from the free COVID tests at January 24, 2022 12:34 PM (yn7Jr)

Threadwinner!

Posted by: Dr. T at January 24, 2022 12:39 PM (bhRsz)

230 DailyBeast dot come two days ago:

"Biden may get blamed for Russia's aggression against Ukraine. But diplomats say Trump's resistance to helping Ukraine and his unique approach to Russia may be more to blame."

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hobokem at January 24, 2022 12:39 PM (Ynyl9)

231 So everybody on the internet who two months ago was an expert on COVID is now an expert on geopolitical strategy?
Posted by: Muldoon at January 24, 2022 12:30 PM (m45I2)

well, we are a fairly renaissance group...

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at January 24, 2022 12:39 PM (8D42x)

232 No worries folks, I paid off Putin. He gets to put in just the tip and I agreed to that, plus I'm putting money in his Swiss accounts. He agreed Ukraine gets to be mostly free, like America.

Deal.

Posted by: Sundown Joe Biden, needs new Depends at January 24, 2022 12:39 PM (1Q2Jm)

233 Schlichter....................

lol

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at January 24, 2022 12:39 PM (I+ZWa)

234 "cool about war".

Fuck that, I had all I wanted with war, not eager to repeat the experience.

Posted by: irongrampa at January 24, 2022 12:39 PM (KATBx)

235 223 As a starting point, regarding the Ukranian nuke agreement:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum

_on_Security_Assurances

Remove spaces
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at January 24, 2022 12:38 PM (V6f9+)

It does indicate there wasn't a treaty ratified by the Senate.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2022 12:39 PM (z5Vrg)

236 159 Ukraine should be Europe's problem...
Posted by: It's me donna .. God bless and Keep OM, Tami and Red at January 24, 2022 12:33 PM (g43JH)

When Clinton guaranteed their defense if they gave up their nukes, he made it ours.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 24, 2022 12:39 PM (s2VJv)

237 The wheels are coming off the fat lady.

*****

The fat lady has a long mustache.

Posted by: Muldoon at January 24, 2022 12:40 PM (m45I2)

238 btw, a stupid racist black lady on The View complained that biden was being "treated like a black man."

Well, he did move up the ranks by affirmative action.. No way he would be where he is without a little" help".....
Posted by: It's me donna .. God bless and Keep OM, Tami and Red at January 24, 2022

***
Biden's "affirmative" action was bigwigs saying to him, "Yes, I've bribed you. Now what can you do for me?"

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 24, 2022 12:40 PM (txdEq)

239 Everything is gong to shit under Biden

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 24, 2022 12:40 PM (GPwVZ)

240 The people from Ukraine who meddled in our 2016 election are largely still in place.

Much like here, the politicians trade seats but the bureaucracy remains.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 24, 2022 12:40 PM (ZLI7S)

241 Biden is extorting a few million from Ukraine behind the scenes, and the threat to remove embassy personnel is to say he is not bluffing.

Posted by: Ted Torgerson at January 24, 2022 12:40 PM (c4vBB)

242 3rd Heavy Battalion (AWOL)
Cheney
Kristol
The rest of the DC hawks

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4th Light-in-the-Loafers Battalion (SOML -- Still On Maternity Leave)
BootyGig
His Husband
His Pool Boy

Posted by: ShainS -- Beware the Branch Covidians at January 24, 2022 12:40 PM (fHmCV)

243 So everybody on the internet who two months ago was an expert on COVID is now an expert on geopolitical strategy?
Posted by: Muldoon at January 24, 2022 12:30 PM (m45I2)

and equally as capable

Posted by: Roy at January 24, 2022 12:40 PM (wa3GZ)

244
When Clinton guaranteed their defense if they gave up their nukes, he made it ours.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 24, 2022 12:39 PM (s2VJv)

Ours and not Europe's ?

Posted by: It's me donna .. God bless and Keep OM, Tami and Red at January 24, 2022 12:40 PM (g43JH)

245 This looks like a European problem to me.

Posted by: Boss Moss at January 24, 2022 12:40 PM (todmg)

246 "How can everyday Dems know which side to be on in the Russia-Ukraine fight since both are pretty white and there's no evidence either side even has a position on the two most critical things in the Universe: The John Lewis Voting Rights Act or the Senate filibuster? Do we even know whether The Ukraine masks children in its schools (for COVID reasons, not mustard gas reasons)?

Posted by: Match Checksout"

Putin is very much against the gay mafia agenda so that could be the deciding factor. Don't know about Ukraine though.

Posted by: Ripley at January 24, 2022 12:40 PM (MxEKc)

247 How can everyday Dems know which side to be on in the Russia-Ukraine fight since both are pretty white

Putin's denounced trannies, so he is Literally Hitler.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 24, 2022 12:40 PM (I2/tG)

248

Now convince the money changers to invest anything into low ESG scored industries.

The frackers don't have the capitalization.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at January 24, 2022 12:39 PM (lD3vL)

The frackers were also abandoned during the Russia Saudi price war. No one is rushing to pump oil knowing OPEC can squash them.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2022 12:40 PM (z5Vrg)

249 There is a famous line from an infamous movie that addresses this statement.
Posted by: Big Mask

"Hey guys, wonder joints."

Posted by: SFGoth at January 24, 2022 12:40 PM (KAi1n)

250
It's just funny how Fake News realized that biden isn't enjoying the Skin Color Insulation obama had for 8 years.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at January 24, 2022 12:40 PM (qCp+w)

251 To my shame, I joined in the general "anyone who questions Iraq is just a coward and quisling" chorus. I won't be doing that in the future.

There is a night and day difference between arguing with anti-war liberals and anti-war libertarians. Some groups give off such a zealot-vibe that they should be assumed to be wrong about everything all the time.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at January 24, 2022 12:40 PM (44ww/)

252 btw, a stupid racist black lady on The View complained that biden was being "treated like a black man."

I shit you not.
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at January 24, 2022 12:36 PM (qCp+w)

In a twisted sense, she's right.

He's sure not being treated like a straight, white (supposedly Catholic) male.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at January 24, 2022 12:41 PM (wAnMi)

253 If Cap'n Bill moved his finger would his brain leak out?

Posted by: N.L. Urker, getting serious about lurking at January 24, 2022 12:41 PM (eGTCV)

254 Ukraine brought a lot of this upon themselves. They chose to refuse offer to hold immediate elections again after questioning the legitimacy of the recent election of the sitting government. It would have been monitored by international groups. Instead they went forward with the coup. Immediately afterwards they outlawed the Russian language . They were poking the bear and got bit.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at January 24, 2022 12:41 PM (z8oRC)

255 Problem is, that the US Federal Govt does not keep it's word. It lies to its citizens and it lies to the international community. It's time that everyone wake up to this reality.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 24, 2022 12:31 PM (Y5qcH)

I have said many, many times that a GOP candidate for preezy needs to say - out loud and as often as possible - that Democrat administrations routinely betray, undercut, demonize and otherwise cripple US allies. Make it clear that any country who supports a scumbag Democrat in any way should be considered an enemy of the US and can expect not a single bit of assistance nor a single dime of American money in a GOP administration.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 24, 2022 12:41 PM (2JVJo)

256 "It's the Republicans' fault that we're not involved in another unpopular war half a world away!"
-Interesting political strategy
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 24, 2022 12:36 PM (LvTSG)
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It'll work. The Democrats will start a war, f*ck it up, and then blame a Republican for the fallout. See, e.g., Vietnam.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 24, 2022 12:41 PM (YqDXo)

257 No treaty ratified by the Senate.
So, just words uttered by a liar.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at January 24, 2022 12:41 PM (jTmQV)

258
So they are demanding we pretend biden is black and indeed give him the Skin Color Insulation.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at January 24, 2022 12:41 PM (qCp+w)

259 244
When Clinton guaranteed their defense if they gave up their nukes, he made it ours.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 24, 2022 12:39 PM (s2VJv)

Ours and not Europe's ?
Posted by: It's me donna .. God bless and Keep OM, Tami and Red at January 24, 2022 12:40 PM (g43JH)

NATO is essentially America.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 24, 2022 12:41 PM (s2VJv)

260 Charge of the Light Brigade, Tennysons commemoration of a futile attack in distant Crimea.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at January 24, 2022 12:41 PM (Qzatw)

261 "Biden may get blamed for Russia's aggression against Ukraine. But diplomats say Trump's resistance to helping Ukraine and his unique approach to Russia may be more to blame."

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hobokem at January 24, 2022 12:39 PM (Ynyl9)

Did Russia invade anyone for four years? The minute Slow Mind Joe gets up to bat, every asshole decides to push their pet project.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 24, 2022 12:41 PM (dNqv+)

262 Cut them loose

Posted by: CN at January 24, 2022 12:42 PM (ONvIw)

263 When reading history, if you don't see all of the blood sweat and tears then you are reading too fast.

Other methods of history consumption are our genes.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at January 24, 2022 12:42 PM (SlJQV)

264 254 Ukraine brought a lot of this upon themselves. They chose to refuse offer to hold immediate elections again after questioning the legitimacy of the recent election of the sitting government. It would have been monitored by international groups. Instead they went forward with the coup. Immediately afterwards they outlawed the Russian language . They were poking the bear and got bit.
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at January 24, 2022 12:41 PM (z8oRC)

I did that.
-Obama

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2022 12:42 PM (z5Vrg)

265 So they are demanding we pretend biden is black and indeed give him the Skin Color Insulation.
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at January 24, 2022 12:41 PM (qCp+w)

The media has since day one

Posted by: It's me donna .. God bless and Keep OM, Tami and Red at January 24, 2022 12:42 PM (g43JH)

266 I think the real question in all this is, will this cut into NBC's wall-to-wall Winter Olympics coverage? Because that's a world I just don't want to live in.

Posted by: Dr. T at January 24, 2022 12:42 PM (bhRsz)

267 253 If Cap'n Bill moved his finger would his brain leak out?
Posted by: N.L. Urker, getting serious about lurking at January 24, 2022 12:41 PM (eGTCV)

That hemorrhoid won't scratch itself . . .

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 24, 2022 12:42 PM (s2VJv)

268 I'm having a hard time figuring out who is more repugnant, Capt. Bill or The Rick Wilson.

Posted by: Capital Eff at January 24, 2022 12:42 PM (GYllL)

269 I sure am glad I don't live there.

Posted by: Boss Moss at January 24, 2022 12:42 PM (todmg)

270 How long until joe shittypants opens a northern front to take the icebacks into the union.

Posted by: USNtakim deplorable still. at January 24, 2022 12:42 PM (0OmEj)

271 " that promise was vague and sort of a "do our best" commitment, not a specific commitment to commit military forces, and Ukraine understood that.'
The promise was made during the Bill Clinton administration, so I think your interpretation is correct but I don't know how Ukraine understood it.

Posted by: Dr. Claw

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The code is more what you'd call guidelines than actual rules.

Posted by: 2009Refugee at January 24, 2022 12:42 PM (8AONa)

272 180 I kinda hope Biden goes all-in on a US war to protect Ukraine.

This is the military that lied to the last commander in chief, several times.
They can slog in an endless quagmire they don't know how to, and never can, win until every single star is dishonored.
Let them beg relief from the political master they've chained themselves to, for they deserve no audience from American citizens.
____________

I have no sympathy for the woke imbeciles that Obama installed in the military's leadership. Those contemptible boot-lickers like Thoroughly Modern Milley deserve every misery, and more.

But the rank and file soldiers don't deserve to die in some stupid, pointless war that Biden or some other future feckless Dim president will inevitably surrender in (but only after they've made millions secretly profiteering on the side). Enough of this bullshit. Biden and Ron Klain and Bill Kristol want another foreign war? Fine, let them send their own sons to fight it.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at January 24, 2022 12:42 PM (k4dH2)

273
NATO is essentially America.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 24, 2022 12:41 PM (s2VJv)

NATO needs to go along with the UN

Posted by: It's me donna .. God bless and Keep OM, Tami and Red at January 24, 2022 12:42 PM (g43JH)

274 never trust anyone who is as physically unappealing as the Cpa'n

one of the rules of life, not #1 but up there

Posted by: REDACTED at January 24, 2022 12:42 PM (us2H3)

275 So everybody on the internet who two months ago was an expert on COVID is now an expert on geopolitical strategy?

Who needs years of university education and decades of practical experience when we have Twitter University to telescope all of that wisdom and knowledge into 140 characters of snark?

Posted by: Reuben Hick at January 24, 2022 12:42 PM (lD3vL)

276 >>>To my shame, I joined in the general "anyone who questions Iraq is just a coward and quisling" chorus. I won't be doing that in the future.

I didn't go quite that far. I supported deposing SH, and then the build a ME democracy fool's errand. Fool me twice, I won't get fooled again.

Posted by: flounder at January 24, 2022 12:42 PM (SH2Zi)

277 When Clinton guaranteed their defense if they gave up their nukes, he made it ours.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton

It depends on the definition of "ours".

Posted by: SFGoth at January 24, 2022 12:43 PM (KAi1n)

278 Sending your armies beyond the Niemen - what could go wrong?

Posted by: Zombie Napoleon I at January 24, 2022 12:43 PM (DnWKq)

279 Remember, the State of the Union isn't until March. There's a reason for that: they need wins that Biden can tout. They're trying to pull a reversal on COVID so that he can claim victory there, since the mandates and vaccine rollouts have been a disaster. I bet that the SOTU is driving a lot of the calculations in the White House right now regarding how much to stand up to the Russians. It wouldn't surprise me if the "minor incursion" slip up was because they've told Putin behind the scenes that the US will keep the Ukrainians in check if the Russians show restraint. The Russians occupy a few minor towns along the border for a few weeks, the US then negotiations their withdrawal in exchange for some concessions, and Biden gets to show that he's "tough" on Putin.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at January 24, 2022 12:43 PM (wmDcS)

280
NATO is essentially America.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 24, 2022 12:41 PM (s2VJv)

If Europe breaks their part of the agreement, it's null and void.

Posted by: CN at January 24, 2022 12:43 PM (ONvIw)

281 WHEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!

Posted by: The Dow at January 24, 2022 12:34 PM

Big losers, Boeing and Disney. A headscratcher.

Posted by: Traitor Joe's Military Surplus at January 24, 2022 12:43 PM (dQvv7)

282 With respect, Putin's goal is to rebuild the borders and structure of the USSR. I don't know if he has goals beyond that, but he's going to try to remake what Soviets once had before he goes.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at January 24, 2022 12:32 PM (V6f9+)

Russia has a historic defensive plan which puts small buffer states, controlled by or allied to Russia, between them and a possible aggressor. They call the is the 'Near Abroad'. The Warsaw Pact was a prime example of that 'plan', and the Southern 'stans' are another example today. Russia could directly control those areas, BUT, then foreign armies could sit directly on the border of Russia.

When Napoleon invaded Russia in 1812, he had created the Duchy of Warsaw on the Russian border, and used that as the staging area for his invations.

Hitler and Stalin took Poland (destroying the Near Abroad concept), and Hitler then later invaded Russia, through that area.

Russia really does not like have Powerful nations, or Alliances, sitting on its borders... and truthfully? Can't blame them... it would be like Mexico having Chinese troops south of the Rio Grande.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 24, 2022 12:43 PM (oHd/0)

283 I'm kind of torn on this one. I hate to see the U.S. pushed around but the potential for escalation is just to high

What's going to be fun is between Russia, China, North Korea, Iran, and numerous islamic terror groups people have generally forgotten, *someone* is going to figure out a way to exploit the deep state's paranoia about a campaign of "white supremacy terror" against them.

Posted by: Methos at January 24, 2022 12:44 PM (kOpft)

284 I have to admit I am with Russian stooge Tucker on this

Posted by: It's me donna .. God bless and Keep OM, Tami and Red at January 24, 2022 12:44 PM (g43JH)

285 "America keeping its word"

That ship sailed a long, long time ago. I have no fucks to give* about Ukraine, from the standpoint "my" government has made it clear for decades it views the citizenry as an enemy, and refuses its obligations that are spelled out in unambiguous black-letter law.

All the usual suspects sure get spooled up about borders 7000 miles away. We got our own borders they insist on keeping open.

It is the right of people to emigrate wherever they want, we are told. Putin is just opening borders, no? Why all the fuss?

Posted by: Common Tater at January 24, 2022 12:44 PM (TL6qR)

286 So, what will the MSM do now that their stock accounts are at risk?
This is getting very scary.
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YMMV, but I might have a different reaction to seeing Shepard Smith on a bread line or Bill Kristol collecting funemployment; Johah Goldberg asking, "do you want fries with that?"

Posted by: Its clown world anything is possible at January 24, 2022 12:44 PM (zqgUS)

287 Neocon Inception.

I don't want to see that movie. It's complicated enough even before Chris Nolan gets his hands on it...

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 24, 2022 12:44 PM (DU+/6)

288 The promise was made during the Bill Clinton administration, so I think your interpretation is correct but I don't know how Ukraine understood it.
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It depends on what the meaning of "buttfucked" is.

Posted by: Billy Bob Clinton at January 24, 2022 12:44 PM (sWM8x)

289 If Cap'n Bill moved his finger would his brain leak out?
Posted by: N.L. Urker, getting serious about lurking at January 24, 2022 12:41 PM (eGTCV)

That picture is so fucking old it was taken with a film camera and scanned.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at January 24, 2022 12:44 PM (wAnMi)

290 This is the military that lied to the last commander in chief, several times.
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The lunatics in the five-sided nuthouse did this, and they will not be the ones coming home in bodybags.

The average soldier, sailor, marine. or airman will be the one to pay the price.

Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at January 24, 2022 12:44 PM (RU4sa)

291 The US Government lies non-stop to everyone in the world, most especially to its own citizens, but somehow it's vital to go toe-to-toe with the Russkies to defend Uncle Sam's Sacred Honor? Really? How many young Americans are we supposed to sacrifice and how many of our resources are we supposed to torch in order to back up Billy Jeff's kinda-sorta promise?

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at January 24, 2022 12:44 PM (cHmL0)

292 I think the real question in all this is, will this cut into NBC's wall-to-wall Winter Olympics coverage? Because that's a world I just don't want to live in.

Posted by: Dr. T at January 24, 2022 12:42 PM (bhRsz)

Terry Crews says I should be focused on women's hockey. That's where the real conflict is at.

Posted by: Grudge Harbor at January 24, 2022 12:44 PM (wBpKf)

293 Jack Posobiec's theory is that Ukraine was supposed to become a NATO member in Hillary's first term.

Just think of all the graft involved!

That didn't work out, so all these Obama-era retreads (Blinken, Nuland, et. al.) are trying to do that now.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 24, 2022 12:44 PM (I2/tG)

294 Might be time to send James Taylor over...

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 24, 2022 12:44 PM (BFigT)

295 @28

>>This is another obvious ginned-up crisis to distract from Biden's manifest failures at home.

Yes, but it has an added benefit of drawing the GOP/MIC JockSniffers/War Monger class into the Democrats psychodrama.

The only thing that gets the GOP jazzed more than corporate tax cuts, H1Bs and amnesty, is pointless wars that let them work their side of the Uniparty money trough.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 24, 2022 12:44 PM (lTTSV)

296 72
Oddly, I do have an atlas from the late '60s and another from the mid-'80s. " 'Czechoslovakia'? Where's that?"
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 24, 2022 12:25 PM

Don't forget about me!

Posted by: Yugoslavia at January 24, 2022 12:44 PM (JCZqz)

297 I did that.
-Obama
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2022 12:42 PM (z5Vrg)

And the same people are doing this.

Posted by: flounder at January 24, 2022 12:45 PM (SH2Zi)

298 Ours as in he and Hillary.

Posted by: Boss Moss at January 24, 2022 12:45 PM (todmg)

299 This leggy brunette in short shorts is fascinated by the rate of failure under the Brandon (mal)administration:
https://is.gd/UC6UdI

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 24, 2022 12:45 PM (DU+/6)

300 I didn't go quite that far. I supported deposing SH, and then the build a ME democracy fool's errand. Fool me twice, I won't get fooled again.
Posted by: flounder at January 24, 2022 12:42 PM (SH2Zi)

Same here. I knew that was a mistake when news stories about the winners of the first elections immediately wanting to punish the losers came out and knew we missed a lesson somewhere.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 24, 2022 12:45 PM (dNqv+)

301 I have said it many times: I do not give a rat's ass about Ukraine.

I do however care about America keeping its word...and we promised Ukraine to defend it if they gave up their nukes.

...

I thought that when this issue came up a few years back, it turned out that that promise was vague and sort of a "do our best" commitment, not a specific commitment to commit military forces, and Ukraine understood that.

Posted by: ace at January 24, 2022 12:31 PM

It was the Budapest memorandum and the US along with, the UK and The Russian Federation signed off on it. It's not technically a treaty, but it is an assurance that we will come to their aid if they are attacked.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at January 24, 2022 12:45 PM (bVYXr)

302 War is good business! Invest your son or daughter today!

Posted by: The Military-Industrial Complex at January 24, 2022 12:45 PM (a3Q+t)

303 291 The US Government lies non-stop to everyone in the world, most especially to its own citizens, but somehow it's vital to go toe-to-toe with the Russkies to defend Uncle Sam's Sacred Honor? Really? How many young Americans are we supposed to sacrifice and how many of our resources are we supposed to torch in order to back up Billy Jeff's kinda-sorta promise?
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at January 24, 2022 12:44 PM (cHmL0)

You got it.

Posted by: CN at January 24, 2022 12:45 PM (ONvIw)

304 239 Everything is gong to shit under Biden

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 24, 2022 12:40 PM (GPwVZ)

-------

Unexpectedly.

You can't "Build Back Better" after a "Great Reset" which requires an "Existential Threat" -- like "Climate Change" or bioweapon/"virus /vaccine", and if those don't work the best "Final Solution" of all: war.

/Damn, I believe I've used my quota of double-quotes for the day ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Beware the Branch Covidians at January 24, 2022 12:45 PM (A4XOS)

305 There is a night and day difference between arguing with anti-war liberals and anti-war libertarians.

Some groups give off such a zealot-vibe that they should be assumed to be wrong about everything all the time.
Posted by: BourbonChicken

Open borders libertarians and liberals.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 24, 2022 12:45 PM (uXonU)

306 I wonder if Biden would take advice from Zap Brannigan?

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hobokem at January 24, 2022 12:45 PM (Ynyl9)

307 This is another obvious ginned-up crisis to distract from Biden's manifest failures at home.
Posted by: Revenant at January 24, 2022 12:21 PM (T4RS9)
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And so much more. It's always so much more. It's also a failure on that front, since it will be wildly unpopular and decried if we intervene.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 24, 2022 12:46 PM (DU+/6)

308 254 Ukraine brought a lot of this upon themselves. They chose to refuse offer to hold immediate elections again after questioning the legitimacy of the recent election of the sitting government. It would have been monitored by international groups. Instead they went forward with the coup. Immediately afterwards they outlawed the Russian language . They were poking the bear and got bit.
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at January 24, 2022 12:41 PM (z8oRC)
________________________

If you shoot the bear, you better make damn sure you KILL the bear

Posted by: Elric Blade at January 24, 2022 12:46 PM (iFTx/)

309 275 So everybody on the internet who two months ago was an expert on COVID is now an expert on geopolitical strategy?

Who needs years of university education and decades of practical experience when we have Twitter University to telescope all of that wisdom and knowledge into 140 characters of snark?
Posted by: Reuben Hick at January 24, 2022 12:42 PM (lD3vL)

Nice snark, but some of us LIVED this shit, professionally. I got interested in Geo Politics when, as a young man, I suddenly realized that feckless politicians could send me to these places to die.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 24, 2022 12:46 PM (oHd/0)

310 Our institutions are so rotten, I do not believe they are capable of successfully prosecuting a war. I believe all they are capable of is getting American soldiers killed for no reason.

If I believed our government was somewhat competent, it might be possible to convince me we need to help Ukraine.

Right now, that argument is impossible, because I do not believe or trust our government.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/)) at January 24, 2022 12:46 PM (5pTK/)

311 306 I wonder if Biden would take advice from Zap Brannigan?
Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hobokem at January 24, 2022 12:45 PM (Ynyl9)

He couldn't do any worse

Posted by: It's me donna .. God bless and Keep OM, Tami and Red at January 24, 2022 12:46 PM (g43JH)

312 124 My dad had some books and dictionaries in Russian. A couple of letters from their alphabet also disappeared.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 24, 2022 12:31 PM

The German language has simplified quite a bit, too. Dropping letters, easier to read script, etc.

Posted by: Grimmy at January 24, 2022 12:46 PM (JCZqz)

313 Can you guys tell me where I'm supposed to sit? I've lost my seat assignment.

Posted by: Cindy Sheehan at January 24, 2022 12:46 PM (ekmuQ)

314 Men and women are going to die needlessly to prop up the Biden junta.

As usual.

Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at January 24, 2022 12:46 PM (RU4sa)

315 Cops killer on the loose
Financial disaster on the Horizon
The Bear on the prowl
The Chicoms salivating over taiwan
The southern Border wide open
Voting fraud

But hey they fired the smooothie thrower and are now prosecuting him????? First things first

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 24, 2022 12:46 PM (GPwVZ)

316 302 War is good business! Invest your son or daughter today!
Posted by: The Military-Industrial Complex at January 24, 2022 12:45 PM (a3Q+t)

Draft up the freshman classes at the Ivies, Stanford and that ilk...then go ahead.

Posted by: CN at January 24, 2022 12:46 PM (ONvIw)

317 293 Jack Posobiec's theory is that Ukraine was supposed to become a NATO member in Hillary's first term.

Just think of all the graft involved!

That didn't work out, so all these Obama-era retreads (Blinken, Nuland, et. al.) are trying to do that now.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 24, 2022 12:44 PM (I2/tG)

Probably. We'd been expanding NATO towards Russia for decades.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2022 12:46 PM (z5Vrg)

318 They can slog in an endless quagmire they don't know how to, and never can, win until every single star is dishonored.
Let them beg relief from the political master they've chained themselves to, for they deserve no audience from American citizens.
Posted by: Well at January 24, 2022 12:35 PM (fcPWy)

WTF? You think the generals and pentagon brass pay the same price?
No, it's our kids and nephews and neighbors who pay.
Fuck that.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at January 24, 2022 12:46 PM (MFphb)

319 I wonder if Biden would take advice from Zap Brannigan?
Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hobokem at January 24, 2022 12:45 PM (Ynyl9)
++++
Send wave after wave of men at them?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 24, 2022 12:47 PM (DU+/6)

320
Really, if a Resolution for military defense of Ukraine goes to the Senate floor, what do you reckon the vote will be?

That's right -- Most Republicans and about a 1/3rd of Democrats.

Think about it.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at January 24, 2022 12:47 PM (qCp+w)

321 We need more butt pirates!

Posted by: Dan Crenshaw at January 24, 2022 12:47 PM (fUm2i)

322 Big losers, Boeing and Disney. A headscratcher.
Posted by: Traitor Joe's Military Surplus at January 24, 2022 12:43 PM (dQvv7)

Boeing: 5G stuff?

Disney: let's keep making activist shit that no one wants to watch, cheap shit we will sell to rubes for insane amounts (the Star Wars hotel shit) and reduce benefits for loyal customers.

Cotton is seeing how the strategy is working out for them.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 24, 2022 12:47 PM (dNqv+)

323 @301

>>I thought that when this issue came up a few years back, it turned out that that promise was vague and sort of a "do our best" commitment, not a specific commitment to commit military forces, and Ukraine understood that.

If it's not a piece of parchment that's been ratified by Congress then it's just the meaningless words of a temporary politician looking to get themselves out of a tar baby of their own making.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 24, 2022 12:47 PM (lTTSV)

324 301 It was the Budapest memorandum and the US along with, the UK and The Russian Federation signed off on it. It's not technically a treaty, but it is an assurance that we will come to their aid if they are attacked.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at January 24, 2022 12:45 PM (bVYXr)

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"That doesn't sound familiar at all..."
-Astro-Hungarian Empire

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 24, 2022 12:47 PM (LvTSG)

325 287 Neocon Inception.

I don't want to see that movie. It's complicated enough even before Chris Nolan gets his hands on it...
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 24, 2022 12:44 PM (DU+/6)

I can imagine the ideaworm that the Extractors want to put into the head:

"This Budapest Agreement isn't real".

Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 24, 2022 12:47 PM (f39+s)

326 Our institutions are so rotten, I do not believe they are capable of successfully prosecuting a war. I believe all they are capable of is getting American soldiers killed for no reason.
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This^

Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at January 24, 2022 12:47 PM (RU4sa)

327 I have said it many times: I do not give a rat's ass about Ukraine.

I do however care about America keeping its word...and we promised Ukraine to defend it if they gave up their nukes.

That America ceased to exist before the ink was dry.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 24, 2022 12:47 PM (uXonU)

328 btw, a stupid racist black lady on The View complained that biden was being "treated like a black man."

I shit you not.
Posted by: Soothsayer's

The stupid burns. I am sure that Clarence Thomas and his wife would be very sympathetic.

Posted by: Cheri at January 24, 2022 12:47 PM (jOXVr)

329 I seem to be the only closed-border libertarian.

Posted by: SFGoth at January 24, 2022 12:48 PM (KAi1n)

330 Trump's foreign policy: We will fight if we have to but we prefer surgical strikes and targeted assassination followed by your public humiliation while we simultaneously construct alliances against you.

Biden's foreign policy: Just the tip.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 24, 2022 12:48 PM (DU+/6)

331 324 301 It was the Budapest memorandum and the US along with, the UK and The Russian Federation signed off on it. It's not technically a treaty, but it is an assurance that we will come to their aid if they are attacked.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at January 24, 2022 12:45 PM (bVYXr)

==========

"That doesn't sound familiar at all..."
-Astro-Hungarian Empire
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 24, 2022 12:47 PM (LvTSG)

Leave it to a Texan baseball team to have an empire.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2022 12:48 PM (z5Vrg)

332 We'd been expanding NATO towards Russia for decades.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2022 12:46 PM (z5Vrg)

Which was a huge mistake

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 24, 2022 12:48 PM (GPwVZ)

333 War is not good for our business, da?

Posted by: The Sisterhood of Micturating Evening Ladies, Moscow Local #23 at January 24, 2022 12:48 PM (a3Q+t)

334 Wasn't the Budapest Memorandum going on 30 years ago? How long are these not-treaties good for?

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 24, 2022 12:48 PM (yQpMk)

335 252 btw, a stupid racist black lady on The View complained that biden was being "treated like a black man."

Did she explain?

Posted by: N.L. Urker, getting serious about lurking at January 24, 2022 12:48 PM (eGTCV)

336 313 Can you guys tell me where I'm supposed to sit? I've lost my seat assignment.
Posted by: Cindy Sheehan at January 24, 2022 12:46 PM (ekmuQ)

Cindy was sent to the Farm many moons ago.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 24, 2022 12:48 PM (dNqv+)

337 Still doesn't mean Code Pinko and their ilk were right. Will they do the whole "No War for Borscht and Biden's Business Partners!" protests if this goes hot? Probably not.

I may be wrong but of all people, Cindy Sheehan has been the most consistent. Glenn Greenwald too. And Taibibi. What they are saying now is pretty consistent to what they said during W. Bush and afterwards. Again, not 100% sure on that. I'm too lazy to look it up too.

Posted by: Puddleglum at January 24, 2022 12:48 PM (sAmhv)

338 "Clinton guaranteed their defense if they gave up their nukes, he made it ours."

Ghadaffi gave up his nukes .. Hillary chortled about his death, and Libya became a terrorist stronghold. -- Hillary probably laughed about Ambassador Stevens as well, since she refused to save him, refused 100 requests for better security. And then we left weapons in Iraq for the new ISIS terrorists, a decade later Biden left an airbase and $80B (?) of weapons in Afghanistan .... WTF are these globalists really up to?

Posted by: illiniwek at January 24, 2022 12:48 PM (Cus5s)

339 Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 24, 2022 12:48 PM (DU+/6)

That is a good definition of what's happening

Posted by: It's me donna .. God bless and Keep OM, Tami and Red at January 24, 2022 12:48 PM (g43JH)

340 America doesn't exist anymore. All we have are scavengers picking over the corpse.

Posted by: Jak Sucio at January 24, 2022 12:49 PM (T4dlg)

341
Aren't we way overdue for fake news warmogering whore reporter Jennifer Griffin to feed us some juicy Pentagon Propaganda?

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at January 24, 2022 12:49 PM (qCp+w)

342 I am all for no more endless wars. I am also for not letting Putin take the Ukraine. Ukraine isn't Afghanistan, Syria or Iraq.

There is a middle ground. War isn't always the answer, but aggresion should be deterred.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 24, 2022 12:49 PM (VpIIl)

343 "a stupid racist black lady on The View complained that biden was being "treated like a black man."

I don't see it.

Posted by: Bill Cosby at January 24, 2022 12:49 PM (vrz2I)

344 NATO needs to go along with the UN
Posted by: It's me donna .. God bless and Keep OM, Tami and Red at January 24, 2022 12:42 PM (g43JH)

The left can never, ever consider any experiment a failure.

It's like deciding a tuna casserole would be great for dinner, only having catfood to make it, burning the living shit out of it after stinking up the entire house, and then sticking it in the refrigerator because it might still be good tomorrow.

And there it's sat since 1950.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at January 24, 2022 12:49 PM (wAnMi)

345 Ukraine wasn't a country when I went to school. The Soviet Union is invading itself.

Posted by: Boss Moss at January 24, 2022 12:49 PM (todmg)

346 But the rank and file soldiers don't deserve to die in some stupid, pointless war that Biden or some other future feckless Dim president will inevitably surrender in (but only after they've made millions secretly profiteering on the side).

They're adults who made a choice. No one forced them to join, and the corrupt stupidity and decay of the military has been obvious for a long time.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at January 24, 2022 12:49 PM (wmDcS)

347 But I want to say one thing to the Ukrainian people. I want you to listen to me. I'm going to say this again: I did not fuck you , the Ukrainian people.

And when I said this is an agreement, it really depends on what the meaning of is is.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at January 24, 2022 12:49 PM (z8oRC)

348 This is all ass covering. Everyone beating the drum for "protecting" Ukraine is doing so only because they are terrified of Russia possibly getting access to and exposing all of the information on their and their family's shady deals.

They're protecting themselves.

Posted by: Bif at January 24, 2022 12:50 PM (Eonw8)

349 When Clinton guaranteed their defense if they gave up their nukes, he made it ours.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton

Can we just ship them a pile of nukes with a sincere apology and call it a day?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at January 24, 2022 12:50 PM (guGkK)

350 Oddly, I do have an atlas from the late '60s and another from the mid-'80s. " 'Czechoslovakia'? Where's that?"
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 24, 2022
*
Don't forget about me!
Posted by: Yugoslavia at January 24, 2022

***
You used to be known as Jugoslavia and Jugo-slavia. I can't keep up any more.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 24, 2022 12:50 PM (txdEq)

351 If it's not a piece of parchment that's been ratified by Congress then it's just the meaningless words of a temporary politician looking to get themselves out of a tar baby of their own making.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 24, 2022 12:47 PM (lTTSV)

Dear Lord. You gave up your nukes with the Russians next door (although this was the more post Soviet mess up there) and did not even get it in writing with a treaty.

People keep doing shit that is existentially retarded (us included.)

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 24, 2022 12:50 PM (dNqv+)

352 It does indicate there wasn't a treaty ratified by the Senate.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2022 12:39 PM (z5Vrg)

Correct. There is no law or treaty involved. But there is fuckery afoot and we bear some responsibility.

As another moron said, there was a lot that could have been done prior to this point that wouldn't have led to war but...here we are.

Personally I think I'm at the Adm. Josh Painter position.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at January 24, 2022 12:50 PM (V6f9+)

353 "America keeping its word"

*

(looks at how that same America changed the calculation for inflation in its own borders)

Posted by: Moron Robbie - read closely, it's impossible to get a negative result from the free COVID tests at January 24, 2022 12:50 PM (yn7Jr)

354 "That doesn't sound familiar at all..."
-Astro-Hungarian Empire
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 24, 2022 12:47 PM (LvTSG)

Leave it to a Texan baseball team to have an empire.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2022 12:48 PM

Well, Texas was a Republic before it became a State.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at January 24, 2022 12:50 PM (bVYXr)

355 a stupid racist black lady on The View complained that biden was being "treated like a black man."
==
How dare they treat Joe Biden like he treated Clarence Thomas!!!

Posted by: Whoopie Oldberg at January 24, 2022 12:50 PM (zqgUS)

356 just heard on Fox Biz news: Biden urging chip makers to step up production.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hobokem at January 24, 2022 12:50 PM (Ynyl9)

357 NATO needs to go along with the UN
Posted by: It's me donna .. God bless and Keep OM, Tami and Red at January 24, 2022 12:42 PM (g43JH)
++++
Does that mean that NATO and the UN to be in agreement as to what to do, or that NATO and the UN both need to be dismantled and ended (as in, "they need to go")?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 24, 2022 12:50 PM (DU+/6)

358 Biden's foreign policy: Just the tip.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 24, 2022 12:48 PM (DU+/6)

Just the tip.

Of the elbow.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at January 24, 2022 12:50 PM (wAnMi)

359 Biden's foreign policy: Just the tip.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 24, 2022 12:48 PM (DU+/6)

Surely you have a photo of some gal that disagrees with the policy of "Just the tip".

Posted by: Reuben Hick at January 24, 2022 12:50 PM (lD3vL)

360 Kazahkstan gets no coverage in this country, but it is a huge country, thinly populated, important to Russia. They claim the CIA or front groups funded by them are destabilizing it to foment revolution, and ... they probably are.

Lots of moving parts to this, that aren't being reported here that's for sure.

Posted by: Common Tater at January 24, 2022 12:51 PM (TL6qR)

361 348 This is all ass covering. Everyone beating the drum for "protecting" Ukraine is doing so only because they are terrified of Russia possibly getting access to and exposing all of the information on their and their family's shady deals.

They're protecting themselves.
Posted by: Bif at January 24, 2022 12:50 PM (Eonw

Another good reason to let it fall

Posted by: CN at January 24, 2022 12:51 PM (ONvIw)

362 332 We'd been expanding NATO towards Russia for decades.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2022 12:46 PM (z5Vrg)

Which was a huge mistake
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 24, 2022 12:48 PM (GPwVZ)

A mistake suggests lack of intent. Post-USSR Russia was to come under the US's sphere is how DC planned it. There was a lot of bunglefucking with the oligarchs and Putin came to power instead.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2022 12:51 PM (z5Vrg)

363 356 just heard on Fox Biz news: Biden urging chip makers to step up production.
Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hobokem at January 24, 2022 12:50 PM (Ynyl9)

Good G-d, what an idiot. He thinks that they can subvert the laws of physics and just crank out more chips just like that?

Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 24, 2022 12:51 PM (f39+s)

364
We are only a few days away from "Putin plans on using chemical weapons, Intelligence Sources Say!"

We've seen this Farce play out so many times before...

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at January 24, 2022 12:51 PM (qCp+w)

365 Posted by: Whoopie Oldberg at January 24, 2022 12:50 PM (zqgUS)

I misread that as Whoopie Oldballs.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 24, 2022 12:52 PM (UuD2k)

366 Russia screwed over the Ukraine in the 1930s, been a mess ever since

Posted by: Skip's Phone at January 24, 2022 12:52 PM (Uz1k2)

367 By the way, our relationship with Russia is largely the result of many years of Democrats using them as their political whipping boy. We have a lot in common with the Russians, more then we don't. I also don't believe Putin is a good guy. There is also a middle ground there which satisfies all interests.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 24, 2022 12:52 PM (VpIIl)

368 Markets inching up... Someone's buying

Posted by: It's me donna .. God bless and Keep OM, Tami and Red at January 24, 2022 12:52 PM (g43JH)

369 >>WTF are these globalists really up to?

A new world order with no super powers, no real countries or borders for all intents, run by a small group of elites.

Central planning has just never been done properly on a world scale before.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 24, 2022 12:52 PM (ZLI7S)

370 It's not technically a treaty

The Budapest Agreement is not a treaty, and is therefore not legally binding.

If Clinton had wanted it to be legally binding, he could have submitted it to the Senate.

We have hundreds of treaties currently in force - the State Department document listing treaties is 58 pages long. I'm not impressed by arguments that it is too difficult to submit treaties for Senate ratification.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 24, 2022 12:52 PM (I2/tG)

371 "a stupid racist black lady on The View complained that biden was being "treated like a black man."

I agree. The soft bigotry of low expectations.

Posted by: Ripley at January 24, 2022 12:52 PM (MxEKc)

372 Oddly, I do have an atlas from the late '60s and another from the mid-'80s. " 'Czechoslovakia'? Where's that?"
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 24, 2022
++++
My mom has an awesome globe her dad acquired that could have been made only in a brief little window of time. It has "Manchukuo" and "Chosen" and the various European countries from a moment in flux. It has "Future Federal City" where Brasilia is today. It's historically fascinating.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 24, 2022 12:52 PM (DU+/6)

373 306 I wonder if Biden would take advice from Zap Brannigan?
Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hobokem

Are we sure Biden isn't Zap Brannigan?

Posted by: Puddleglum at January 24, 2022 12:52 PM (sAmhv)

374 I understand the point made by several morons that the nature of the commitment to Ukraine was not a Senate-approved treaty, but so what? That's a handy legalism.

This will impair deterrence and U.S. reputation. Whatever's left of it.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at January 24, 2022 12:52 PM (EZebt)

375 Just the tip.

Of the elbow.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at January 24, 2022 12:50 PM (wAnMi)

'Elbow Fuckers.'

Get in on the ground floor of a new Meme!

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 24, 2022 12:52 PM (dNqv+)

376 I seem to be the only closed-border libertarian.
Posted by: SFGoth

You are a little "l" libertarian.

Big L platform:
3.4 Open Borders.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 24, 2022 12:52 PM (uXonU)

377 348 This is all ass covering. Everyone beating the drum for "protecting" Ukraine is doing so only because they are terrified of Russia possibly getting access to and exposing all of the information on their and their family's shady deals.

They're protecting themselves.
__________

That would not surprise me. There has been a whole lot of shady shit going on in Ukraine in recent years, and many many prominent Dim politicians (and their various idiot sons) in it up to their dirty necks.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at January 24, 2022 12:52 PM (k4dH2)

378 re 355: was Biden refused service at Denny's?

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hobokem at January 24, 2022 12:52 PM (Ynyl9)

379 I would like to discuss the conservative case for global thermonuclear war.

Posted by: David French at January 24, 2022 12:52 PM (GYllL)

380 Last week I was speculating that we had reached a tipping point and I think here it is.
Stock market tanking.
Military action imminent
Inflation 7% and rising
Supply chain crisis worsening

What is the administration concerned about? Biden's state of the union speech, global warming, woke theology.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 24, 2022 12:52 PM (Y+l9t)

381 Dear Lord. You gave up your nukes with the Russians next door (although this was the more post Soviet mess up there) and did not even get it in writing with a treaty.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 24, 2022 12:50 PM (dNqv+)

Seriously. They may as well have traded those nukes for magic beans. Even assuming America is a united country capable of winning peer wars (it isn't), backing up every retard with a tenuous allegiance is a recipe for complete global collapse.

Posted by: trev006 at January 24, 2022 12:52 PM (Eqkqm)

382 And then they took the baby's out of the incubators.

Posted by: Boss Moss at January 24, 2022 12:53 PM (todmg)

383 There's still free money, who do you think it is.

Posted by: Any guesses? at January 24, 2022 12:53 PM (krr9p)

384 "You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in ~~Iraq~~ Ukraine."

Posted by: John Kerry, OBF (Order of the Blue Falcon) at January 24, 2022 12:53 PM (a3Q+t)

385 just heard on Fox Biz news: Biden urging chip makers to step up production.

**

The Super Bowl is coming up and people need their snacks!
- Vice President Karmella, totally not treated like a black man

Posted by: Moron Robbie - read closely, it's impossible to get a negative result from the free COVID tests at January 24, 2022 12:53 PM (yn7Jr)

386 Speaking of changes in spelling and language over time and distance: Agatha Christie mentioned people called "Esquimaux" and throwing criminals in "gaol." The first one I figured out at age 14 because I can pronounce some of French. The other, I mentally thought of it as "gay-oll" and just thought it was some special kind of British prison. After all, Oscar Wilde was in Reading Gaol. . . .

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 24, 2022 12:53 PM (txdEq)

387 There were reasons to go to war in Iraq.

There are supposedly reasons to go to war in Ukraine - though I haven't heard any decent ones.

You can support one war or the other, or both.

But if you argued war is never the answer - as pretty much every Democrat did from 2004-2008, you can't just sit back and start Toobin' at the thought of a war with Putin.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 24, 2022 12:53 PM (ESjRY)

388 Central planning has just never been done properly on a world scale before.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 24, 2022 12:52 PM (ZLI7S)

Neither has socialism, if you listen to them try and defend it.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 24, 2022 12:53 PM (N39Ws)

389 Russia should not have a say over who joins NATO, and NATO should be adept enough to know when they've pushed too far.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 24, 2022 12:53 PM (VpIIl)

390 You know to fix this? Build Back Better. Retard World.

Posted by: Head puddi at January 24, 2022 12:53 PM (TTgpD)

391 I don't think the agreement included , as I previously posted , Ukraine poking the bear.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at January 24, 2022 12:53 PM (z8oRC)

392 -Astro-Hungarian Empire
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 24, 2022 12:47 PM (LvTSG)
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Hungarians! In! SPAAAAAAAAACE!!!

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at January 24, 2022 12:53 PM (DnWKq)

393 Putin actually has managed to unify Ukraine - against Russia. Putin reads the history books - they have a declining population that cannot defend their current borders. They need to redraw them. Redrawing Ukraine is part of that.

Posted by: Black JEM at January 24, 2022 12:53 PM (V6xwG)

394 Personally I think I'm at the Adm. Josh Painter position.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at January 24, 2022 12:50 PM (V6f9+)

I'm more in the Admiral Ackbar position.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 24, 2022 12:53 PM (oHd/0)

395 Correct. There is no law or treaty involved. But there is fuckery afoot and we bear some responsibility.

As another moron said, there was a lot that could have been done prior to this point that wouldn't have led to war but...here we are.

Personally I think I'm at the Adm. Josh Painter position.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at January 24, 2022 12:50 PM (V6f9+)

Yeah we were involved in a lot of this stuff, both then and now. But we have no credibility to protect. I lean more towards realpolitik. How does getting involved help us or hurt us?

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2022 12:54 PM (z5Vrg)

396 just heard on Fox Biz news: Biden urging chip makers to step up production.
Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hobokem at January 24, 2022 12:50 PM (Ynyl9)

Good G-d, what an idiot. He thinks that they can subvert the laws of physics and just crank out more chips just like that?

Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 24, 2022 12:51 PM

Trump was all over this two years ago blocking the take over of a US chip producer by the Chicoms.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at January 24, 2022 12:54 PM (bVYXr)

397 Remember the plan Hillary had to promote the tech industry in Russia?

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 24, 2022 12:54 PM (UuD2k)

398 This will impair deterrence and U.S. reputation. Whatever's left of it.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at January 24, 2022 12:52 PM (EZebt)

Biden already nuked that with Afghanistan.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 24, 2022 12:54 PM (dNqv+)

399 Oh, yeah. Get FOX to break its recent contract with Tucker, pay even bigger money to him than NBC did to MeAgain Kelly to buy him out, and give him the freedom to go to OANN or Newsmax and completely supercharge those outlets? Pull my other finger.
Posted by: Darrell Harris

Fairly certain Steve the cubicle guy in accounting has developed the what if spreadsheet. One day soon Steve is going to retire and/or Tucker will drop an FU Mr. Ryan bonb live on the air. Double manning the bilge pumps won't save them.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at January 24, 2022 12:54 PM (tfTvi)

400 Scrap NATO and Biden. Problem solved.

Posted by: Head puddi at January 24, 2022 12:54 PM (TTgpD)

401 Off cigar pervert sock

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at January 24, 2022 12:54 PM (z8oRC)

402 I would like to discuss the conservative case for global thermonuclear war.
Posted by: David French
===
Shall we play a game?

Posted by: W.O.P.R. at January 24, 2022 12:54 PM (gdxd+)

403 290 This is the military that lied to the last commander in chief, several times.___
The lunatics in the five-sided nuthouse did this, and they will not be the ones coming home in bodybags.
The average soldier, sailor, marine. or airman will be the one to pay the price.
Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at January 24, 2022 12:44 PM (RU4sa)
This.

Posted by: Eromero at January 24, 2022 12:54 PM (0OP+5)

404 If you're expecting people to fight and die for Ukraine because a "promise" Bill Clinton made a quarter century ago, you're going to have to put up some better justifications than antiquated, and long-ago inoperative, notions of International Honor (or whatever: "Our word as Biden's America"). Might as well get super upset about Trump pulling us out of the Iran Deal or Paris Climate Accords while you're at.

Posted by: Match Checksout at January 24, 2022 12:54 PM (dYe5S)

405 Good G-d, what an idiot. He thinks that they can subvert the laws of physics and just crank out more chips just like that?
Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 24, 2022 12:51 PM (f39+s)
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Well, to be fair, that thought pattern is not exclusive to Biden. Most politicians think that way.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/)) at January 24, 2022 12:54 PM (5pTK/)

406 COl Kurt is pretty fucking funny:

2nd Battalion (Heavy)
Stacey Abrams

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 24, 2022 12:54 PM (yrol0)

407 Not our circus not our monkeys. Moose out front should have told you.

Posted by: USNtakim deplorable still. at January 24, 2022 12:54 PM (0OmEj)

408 385
The Super Bowl is coming up and people need their snacks!
- Vice President Karmella, totally not treated like a black man
Posted by: Moron Robbie - read closely, it's impossible to get a negative result from the free COVID tests at January 24, 2022 12:53 PM (yn7Jr)

VP Kamella isn't being treated like a black man, but story has it she treated a black man once or twice.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 24, 2022 12:54 PM (N39Ws)

409 304 239 Everything is gong to shit under Biden

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 24, 2022 12:40 PM (GPwVZ)

even the shit is going to shit

Posted by: REDACTED at January 24, 2022 12:55 PM (us2H3)

410 Have the Putin is stirring up trouble to hurt Biden and help Trump articles surfaced yet?

Posted by: ... at January 24, 2022 12:55 PM (dscaa)

411 Also, we lost the war in A'Stan and had a very muddled end to the Iraq war.

Did anyone in the DoD put together a list of "mistakes made" followed up by changes in the RoE, leadership, etc?

No? Then we shouldn't go to war anywhere outside of protecting the territory of the US until we do.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 24, 2022 12:55 PM (ESjRY)

412 >Remember, the State of the Union isn't until March.

It's penciled in, things happen and chit changes. No biggie.

SMH, glad to see you. I thought you and C5 had flown the coop.

Posted by: old chick at January 24, 2022 12:55 PM (sOete)

413 Hey! We are in talks to increase chip production by 50%. No joke. Frito Lay has taken on a 5 year contract to provide 4 bags of chips to every citizen in the country, to be administered thru the US Postal Service. I am not kidding. The web site will be up soon. My word as a Biteum.

Posted by: Joe Biteum at January 24, 2022 12:55 PM (vrz2I)

414 re 362: "bunglefucking"

a word I need to remember.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hobokem at January 24, 2022 12:55 PM (Ynyl9)

415 "But if you argued war is never the answer - as pretty much every Democrat did from 2004-2008, you can't just sit back and start Toobin' at the thought of a war with Putin.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 24, 2022 12:53 PM (ESjRY) "

Exactly, and I can't imagine a war that someone like Tucker would be OK with fighting unless someone invaded NY. You cannot allow military aggression against other nations go unabated, lest it eventually end up taking something you eventually care about.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 24, 2022 12:55 PM (VpIIl)

416 Personally I think I'm at the Adm. Josh Painter position.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at January 24, 2022 12:50 PM (V6f9+)

I'm more in the Admiral Ackbar position.
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 24, 2022 12:53 PM (oHd/0)

You made me laugh. Thanks, I needed that.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at January 24, 2022 12:55 PM (V6f9+)

417 But the rank and file soldiers don't deserve to die in some stupid, pointless war that Biden or some other future feckless Dim president will inevitably surrender in (but only after they've made millions secretly profiteering on the side).
----
I agree. It's horrible, it's terrible, it's immoral and inhumane.

What way is there to punish the brass when they have no regard for the rank?
Other than withdraw support for the military altogether?
(We tried "elect a president with orders to drain the swamp.")

Posted by: Well at January 24, 2022 12:55 PM (fcPWy)

418 >>Neither has socialism, if you listen to them try and defend it.

They aren't even trying to hide it any longer. Just read the World Economic Forum website and you can see where they want to take us.

And yes, socialism/communism is the goal and we won't be the ones running it.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 24, 2022 12:55 PM (ZLI7S)

419 just heard on Fox Biz news: Biden urging chip makers to step up production.

The Super Bowl is coming up and people need their snacks!
- Vice President Karmella, totally not treated like a black man
Posted by: Moron Robbie - read closely, it's impossible to get a negative result from the free COVID tests at January 24, 2022 12:53 PM (yn7Jr)

Saw a blurb yesterday that Intel will build the biggest chip factory in the world, in OHIO.

But it will take a long time to get built, because it WILL be challenged in court over Environmental Legal concerns.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 24, 2022 12:56 PM (oHd/0)

420 This is the military that lied to the last commander in chief, several times.___
The lunatics in the five-sided nuthouse did this, and they will not be the ones coming home in bodybags.
The average soldier, sailor, marine. or airman will be the one to pay the price.
Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at January 24, 2022 12:44 PM (RU4sa)

Worth repeating.

Posted by: ... at January 24, 2022 12:56 PM (dscaa)

421 Hi Eromero : )

Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at January 24, 2022 12:56 PM (RU4sa)

422 400 Scrap NATO and Biden. Problem solved.
Posted by: Head puddi at January 24, 2022 12:54 PM (TTgpD)

And while we are cleaning house, lets not forget the UN.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 24, 2022 12:56 PM (N39Ws)

423 Would people get excited if a black man was able to stand for two hours?

Posted by: N.L. Urker, resolved to lurking at January 24, 2022 12:56 PM (eGTCV)

424 Remember the Iraq war was predicated on going in with insufficient troops because the Iraqi Army would provide security and we could leave quickly. However, daddy Cheney the war profiteering chicken hawk decided that there was more money to be made with a 10 year insurrection for his cronies and disbanded the Iraqi army. So what if 5000 Americans were killed and countless more maimed, he and his daughter profit handsomely

Posted by: Avi at January 24, 2022 12:56 PM (hMd9S)

425 I understand the point made by several morons that the nature of the commitment to Ukraine was not a Senate-approved treaty, but so what? That's a handy legalism.

"Handy legalism" = the words in the United States Constitution precisely explaining what it takes to make a legally binding agreement with a foreign power.

I don't think that the Paris Climate Accords are legally binding either.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 24, 2022 12:56 PM (I2/tG)

426 Do the French or Germans have a plan.

Posted by: Boss Moss at January 24, 2022 12:56 PM (todmg)

427 Lt. Bearclaw is now a Ukraine expert on teevee -- gee, wasn't he offered their Sec of Defense or State position? Wouldn't that make him incredibly biased???

https://tinyurl.com/bddvte9c

Posted by: Lizzy at January 24, 2022 12:56 PM (URNdm)

428

Out: Banging trannies

In: Nuking russkies

Posted by: David French at January 24, 2022 12:56 PM (ESjRY)

429 just heard on Fox Biz news: Biden urging chip makers to step up production.
Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hobokem at January 24, 2022 12:50 PM (Ynyl9)

Good G-d, what an idiot. He thinks that they can subvert the laws of physics and just crank out more chips just like that?

Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 24, 2022 12:51 PM

He did take time out from urging Russia to not take over the continent, so he must mean it.

Posted by: Roy at January 24, 2022 12:56 PM (wa3GZ)

430 My mom has an awesome globe her dad acquired that could have been made only in a brief little window of time. It has "Manchukuo" and "Chosen" and the various European countries from a moment in flux. It has "Future Federal City" where Brasilia is today. It's historically fascinating.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 24, 2022

***
That would be cool. My Reader's Digest Atlas from 1968 does not show Guadalupe Mountains National Park in TX, and it doesn't show Cancun, Mexico -- because neither existed yet.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 24, 2022 12:57 PM (txdEq)

431 >>Do the French or Germans have a plan.

Pretty sure both, but especially Germany, have been meeting with Russia, excluding the U.S.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 24, 2022 12:57 PM (URNdm)

432 This will impair deterrence and U.S. reputation. Whatever's left of it.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at January 24, 2022 12:52 PM (EZebt)
++++
Deterrence took a hig, dangerous hit under TFG. Trump worked like a madman in the high-risk game of re-establishing deterrence and was making serious gains.

Under Brandon, we're likely to lose it entirely.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 24, 2022 12:57 PM (DU+/6)

433 I remember when I was promised that Aviators Biden would stoke fear, submission and respect into men like Putin.

Posted by: ... at January 24, 2022 12:57 PM (dscaa)

434 368 Markets inching up... Someone's buying
Posted by: It's me donna .. God bless and Keep OM, Tami and Red at January 24, 2022 12:52 PM (g43JH)

It's midday. The late market action will tell the tale. If it ends on its lows, Katie bar the door. More short-term pain in store, if that happens.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 24, 2022 12:57 PM (f39+s)

435 Saw a blurb yesterday that Intel will build the biggest chip factory in the world, in OHIO.

But it will take a long time to get built, because it WILL be challenged in court over Environmental Legal concerns.

*

That's nacho problem!
- Also VP Karmella

Posted by: Moron Robbie - read closely, it's impossible to get a negative result from the free COVID tests at January 24, 2022 12:57 PM (yn7Jr)

436 Our NATO "Allies" haven't paid up in a long time. Fuck them.

Posted by: CN at January 24, 2022 12:58 PM (ONvIw)

437 Do they still make Bugles? I love those things. Toot toot!

Posted by: Hunter Biteum at January 24, 2022 12:58 PM (vrz2I)

438 I have a book (written in German) on the history of England. It ends in 1850.

Posted by: SFGoth at January 24, 2022 12:58 PM (KAi1n)

439 Nice snark, but some of us LIVED this shit, professionally. I got interested in Geo Politics when, as a young man, I suddenly realized that feckless politicians could send me to these places to die.
Posted by: Romeo13

******

Fine, I get that, but unless you were putting yourself forward as a COVID expert, my original comment wasn't directed at you, was it? I have a lot of professional experience in infectious diseases and a skill set suited to understand some of the nuances of specific features of COVID, but I never claimed to be an expert on COVID. And I will have precious little to say about Ukraine, because I would quickly reveal my ignorance on the matter. My comment was more aimed at the Twitterati.

Posted by: Muldoon at January 24, 2022 12:58 PM (m45I2)

440 I am all for no more endless wars. I am also for not letting Putin take the Ukraine. Ukraine isn't Afghanistan, Syria or Iraq.

There is a middle ground. War isn't always the answer, but aggresion should be deterred.
Posted by: Marcus T at January 24, 2022 12:49 PM (VpIIl)

Aggression is usually deterred by well " Deterrences". The absolute knowledge that your adversary will respond to any aggression in a manner made to illicit the maximum pain on the aggressor. Biden has done the exact opposite.

Strong Deterrences tend to prevent war not to cause them

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 24, 2022 12:58 PM (GPwVZ)

441 To my shame, I joined in the general "anyone who questions Iraq is just a coward and quisling" chorus. I won't be doing that in the future.

____

#MeToo

I am ashamed of myself for having supported Bush's Iraq folly.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 24, 2022 12:58 PM (OalnH)

442 You cannot allow military aggression against other nations go unabated, lest it eventually end up taking something you eventually care about.
Posted by: Marcus T at January 24, 2022 12:55 PM (VpIIl)

True, but you can't promise more than you are willing and able to do.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 24, 2022 12:58 PM (yQpMk)

443 maybe Biden can put Kamala in charge of the chip crisis.

Well, you know, ha ha ha.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hobokem at January 24, 2022 12:58 PM (Ynyl9)

444 433 I remember when I was promised that Aviators Biden would stoke fear, submission and respect into men like Putin.
Posted by: ... at January 24, 2022 12:57 PM (dscaa)

Notice they have not had him doing burnouts in his bitchin' Vette lately?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 24, 2022 12:58 PM (dNqv+)

445 Remember the Iraq war was predicated on going in with insufficient troops because the Iraqi Army would provide security and we could leave quickly.
___

Oh, I remember.
Only too well.

Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at January 24, 2022 12:58 PM (RU4sa)

446 How will this war affect the polar bears?

Posted by: Eromero at January 24, 2022 12:58 PM (0OP+5)

447 411 Also, we lost the war in A'Stan and had a very muddled end to the Iraq war.

Did anyone in the DoD put together a list of "mistakes made" followed up by changes in the RoE, leadership, etc?

No? Then we shouldn't go to war anywhere outside of protecting the territory of the US until we do.
Posted by: 18-1 at January 24, 2022 12:55 PM (ESjRY)

Viet Nam. Afghanistan. Iraq. Won every single battle, but lost the war due to a lack of political will to win through to Peace. Occupations are NOT our strength (and yes, to a large extent, Viet Nam was an occupation... we never invaded the north as we needed to do to really win).

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 24, 2022 12:58 PM (oHd/0)

448 Congressman Dan Crenshaw said it out loud...

They don't get paid enough to live on. Absolutely true.

Only millionaires and billionaires will run for congress because they don't need the money. The people we really need in congress are people who make a reasonable amount and couldn't possibly maintain a house in their district and live in D.C. along with family obligations.

These elected officials are responsible for spending trillions of our tax dollars, so it doesn't make any sense being cheap as far as salary. Use a bonus equal to their base pay (should be $500,000) to insure they get their budgets passed on time.

Posted by: jwest at January 24, 2022 12:59 PM (/BlEx)

449 Meanwhile, Kurt Schlichter's drafting his Fantasy Ukraine Abraham Lincoln Brigade.

Come on Kurt...Schiff for Intel. He's the head of the House Intel Committee. What better resume enhancer is there?

Posted by: Diogenes at January 24, 2022 12:59 PM (axyOa)

450 Fuck Ukraine. Fuck Russia.
No more world's policeman.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 24, 2022 12:59 PM (OalnH)

451 Won't a war have a large Carbon footprint.

Posted by: Boss Moss at January 24, 2022 12:59 PM (todmg)

452 You say "nuclear war with Russia," I say "blessing of liberty."

Posted by: David French at January 24, 2022 12:59 PM (bhRsz)

453 maybe Biden can put Kamala in charge of the chip crisis.

No f'n way!

Posted by: Lays at January 24, 2022 12:59 PM (uXonU)

454 Do the French or Germans have a plan.

Yes, it involves doing that thing to Putin that mommy told me is nasty and she won't do for me.

Posted by: Emmanuel Macron at January 24, 2022 12:59 PM (ESjRY)

455 "Do the French or Germans have a plan."?

The Germans do, but it involves sending southwest-facing tanks through narrow, forested hill country.

Posted by: SFGoth at January 24, 2022 01:00 PM (KAi1n)

456 I wouldn't send Ukraine a single bullet or blanket unless they came clean on their involvement in the 2016 election.

They allowed our country to get invaded. Fuck them.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 24, 2022 01:00 PM (ZLI7S)

457 Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 24, 2022 12:52 PM (Y+l9t)

What do you think that the tipping point indicates as far as Biden? Will we just move on ahead with puppet Biden and with Ron Klain-who actually might be the real power behind the scenes-or there will be a move to get rid of Biden?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 24, 2022 01:00 PM (k49Sx)

458 Do the French or Germans have a plan.

Posted by: Boss Moss at January 24, 2022 12:56 PM (todmg)

The Germans will attack through the Ardennes by passing the fortifications along the Marginot; trapping the bulk of the French and British forces in Belgium.

Posted by: Archer at January 24, 2022 01:00 PM (gmo/4)

459 Nice snark, but some of us LIVED this shit, professionally. I got interested in Geo Politics when, as a young man, I suddenly realized that feckless politicians could send me to these places to die.

Were you also a COVID expert too? I think the comment is driven towards those who don't see any lanes that they shouldn't get in.

I've been around the block too, and have read a lot of history books. Even with that, geo-politics, in my opinion is FAR too complicated, its like claiming to be a Climate Expert. The variables are far too wide, in to far too many domains that require specialization that the analog of five blind men describing an elephant is appropriate here.

It is fun to war game in relative ignorance though.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at January 24, 2022 01:00 PM (lD3vL)

460 293 Jack Posobiec's theory is that Ukraine was supposed to become a NATO member in Hillary's first term.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 24, 2022 12:44 PM

I think NATO wanted to expand right to Russia's doorstep, to keep lots of pressure on them with the threat of an unwinnable war. NATO policy, however, has been to only admit nations with stable governments and borders. This only encouraged Russian to destabilize Ukraine, Georgia, and the Balkans to prevent further expansion.

I'd imagine, just like Kosovo and Bosnia (unresolved for 20+ years), Putin would be quite happy to have a supportive puppet government in Ukraine, but never actually absorb it back into Russia, to keep a buffer between him and NATO countries.

Posted by: Grimmy at January 24, 2022 01:00 PM (JCZqz)

461 Congressman Dan Crenshaw said it out loud...

What? "I didn't see that coming?"

Posted by: rickb223 at January 24, 2022 01:00 PM (uXonU)

462 maybe Biden can put Kamala in charge of the chip crisis.

[a little while later]

And that kids is why you have to have carrot sticks with your sandwich.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 24, 2022 01:00 PM (ESjRY)

463 Am I the first to ask?

With this rush to war(tm) and all, what is Biden's exit strategy?

Just remembering 2001 Democrat talking points. . .

Posted by: Lizzy at January 24, 2022 01:00 PM (URNdm)

464 What way is there to punish the brass when they have no regard for the rank?
Other than withdraw support for the military altogether?
(We tried "elect a president with orders to drain the swamp.")
Posted by: Well at January 24, 2022 12:55 PM (fcPWy)

Do they not have blood in their veins?
Do they not have wives and children?
If they cannot mourn the loss of their soldiers,
perhaps they could mourn the loss of their own.

jus sayin

Posted by: Ho Chi Mihn at January 24, 2022 01:00 PM (MFphb)

465 It's not about what is best for europe. Fuck europe. It is not what costs europe and not us.

It is about what is best for America. And I do not believe a russian bear on the prowl is good for America, good for the American economy, or good for American interests. And that does NOT mean I want to go to war.

But because of biden's preceived weakness and real weakness, we are kinda fucked on this one. And China is watching, as is Iran

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 24, 2022 01:01 PM (GPwVZ)

466 Notice they have not had him doing burnouts in his bitchin' Vette lately?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 24, 2022

***
He's forgotten what PRNDL stands for.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 24, 2022 01:01 PM (txdEq)

467 Exactly, and I can't imagine a war that someone like Tucker would be OK with fighting unless someone invaded NY. You cannot allow military aggression against other nations go unabated, lest it eventually end up taking something you eventually care about.
Posted by: Marcus T at January 24, 2022 12:55 PM (VpIIl)

Generally this is more of a "nearby great powers do something about it" then "someone in the other hemisphere do something about it" concern historically though. While Russia has something of a first mover advantage, I suspect absent US intervention Europe will return to the old model over time.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2022 01:01 PM (z5Vrg)

468 But it will take a long time to get built, because it WILL be challenged in court over Environmental Legal concerns.

Let me guess, these 'Enviromental Legal concerns' will be financed by China?

Posted by: Puddleglum at January 24, 2022 01:01 PM (sAmhv)

469 @393: "... a declining population that cannot defend their current borders. They need to redraw them. Redrawing Ukraine is part of that."

Hard to imagine any climate change war game scenario where China doesn't end up carving off some big chunks of Russia's Siberian and Far Eastern territory.

'But at least we still have Ukraine" isn't a good strategy, but it's better than nothing.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at January 24, 2022 01:02 PM (+WWsf)

470 You cannot allow military aggression against other nations go unabated, lest it eventually end up taking something you eventually care about.
Posted by: Marcus T at January 24, 2022 12:55 PM (VpIIl)

I don't disagree but we have enacted more military actions against other countries than Russia. We can't just be against 'aggression'. There has to be something significant in our interest and also determine if that aggression is justified.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at January 24, 2022 01:02 PM (z8oRC)

471 The French plan to roll over.

Posted by: ... at January 24, 2022 01:02 PM (dscaa)

472 Posted by: jwest at January 24, 2022 12:59 PM (/BlEx)

They don't get paid enough to live like billionaires on. They should be term limited and given a bonus at the end of their tenure for the "sacrifice" that will now make them millions. Fuck them

Posted by: CN at January 24, 2022 01:02 PM (ONvIw)

473 Germans: Begin shelling the Fulda Gap!!

French: ?!

Posted by: Jak Sucio at January 24, 2022 01:02 PM (T4dlg)

474
Exactly, and I can't imagine a war that someone like Tucker would be OK with fighting unless someone invaded NY. You cannot allow military aggression against other nations go unabated, lest it eventually end up taking something you eventually care about.
Posted by: Marcus T
==
I think "unabated" is where there is a difference of opinion. People like Tucker, would probably not be quick to invade and nation build. Economic sanctions and other reprisals would probably be things he favored. I think it is easy, looking back, to say the middle east wars were an utter waste. Having done that exercise, it tends to make you think war is not the answer. However, I have a hard time thinking sanctions would have had much of an effect on Hitler.

This shit is hard. Period. Its not for dummies like Biden.

Posted by: there you go at January 24, 2022 01:02 PM (e/pHs)

475 Did you see where Biden let Iran get some funds un-frozen so they could pay their UN dues and not lose there seats?

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 24, 2022 01:02 PM (UuD2k)

476 Yeah $180K a year for living in DC and having a mortgage back home is ridiculously low pay. Only people willing to sign up are young people like AOC who don't mind living in a 500 sq ft studio, or people who are wealthy already and don't care either.

But that excludes any middle class people with families who could simply not survive on a congresscritter's income.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 24, 2022 01:02 PM (OalnH)

477 Hey EU, remember how you told America we were a bunch of trigger happy cowboys?

Now is time to put on your big boys pants and show us how it is done.

My standard? Not one American life to save Biden's grift in Ukraine

Posted by: 18-1 at January 24, 2022 01:02 PM (ESjRY)

478 He's forgotten what PRNDL stands for.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 24, 2022 01:01 PM (txdEq)

I could see him owning an automatic Corvette.

Too perfect to check.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 24, 2022 01:02 PM (dNqv+)

479 Viet Nam. Afghanistan. Iraq. Won every single battle, but lost the war due to a lack of political will to win through to Peace. Occupations are NOT our strength (and yes, to a large extent, Viet Nam was an occupation... we never invaded the north as we needed to do to really win).

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 24, 2022 12:58 PM

Point of order, we had "won" in Vietnam, we just up and left after that. The North shot it's bolt and lost with the Tet offensive in 68.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at January 24, 2022 01:02 PM (bVYXr)

480 My son was there fairly recently and supposes the war plan hasnt changed. Hes not optimistic Europe needs to gird their loins.

Posted by: LASue at January 24, 2022 01:02 PM (exNvx)

481 Shall we play a game?

- Joshua

Posted by: Archer at January 24, 2022 01:03 PM (gmo/4)

482 NATO is essentially America.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 24, 2022 12:41 PM (s2VJv)
=========================
hats a sad reflection, because NATO is soon to be history.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at January 24, 2022 01:03 PM (1Q2Jm)

483 Have kurt or raimondo weighed in yet?

Posted by: USNtakim deplorable still. at January 24, 2022 01:03 PM (0OmEj)

484 "We" pretended Obama was African American. But so did he.

Posted by: klaftern at January 24, 2022 01:03 PM (taPSh)

485 Obviously Ukraine did not bribed Biden sufficiently.

Posted by: Head puddi at January 24, 2022 01:03 PM (TTgpD)

486 Hard to imagine any climate change war game scenario where China doesn't end up carving off some big chunks of Russia's Siberian and Far Eastern territory.

That's why we have nukes. Siberia is indefensible without them.

Posted by: The Russian Federation! at January 24, 2022 01:03 PM (I2/tG)

487 "You cannot allow military aggression against other nations go unabated, lest it eventually end up taking something you eventually care about."

Oh no. After Ukraine, the Putin mafia family, aka Russia, might invade Tukmenistan. The horror of it all!

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 24, 2022 01:03 PM (OalnH)

488 482. It should have been scrapped 20 years ago.

Posted by: CN at January 24, 2022 01:03 PM (ONvIw)

489 Just bring the Ukraine and Russia into NATO. Problem solved.

Posted by: Boss Moss at January 24, 2022 01:04 PM (todmg)

490 Top 5% of US salary earners make about 350K.

So how about this - raise every congress critter salary to 350K, but all their investments must be put in a blind trust, AND, no consulting gigs for 10 years after leaving government.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 24, 2022 01:04 PM (ESjRY)

491 If a pro-Putin government took over Ukraine and exposed all the corruption our pols in DC are up to their necks in, laid it all out for the whole world to see, well, what a damn shame that would be...
Sorry kids, you gotta go fight and die so the unthinkable doesn't happen.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at January 24, 2022 01:04 PM (jTmQV)

492 Biden is putting Kamala in charge of the Ukraine situation.

Posted by: ... at January 24, 2022 01:04 PM (dscaa)

493 "Markets inching up... Someone's buying"

will the Fed Reserve tell us when they use QE magic money to start buying stocks directly? (what do they call it when government owns the businesses?)

Posted by: illiniwek at January 24, 2022 01:04 PM (Cus5s)

494 How cool is this! Another little War that Washington wants to get us into without an actual Declaration. Rah Rah Rah.

Posted by: Erik In Texas at January 24, 2022 01:04 PM (WEv0o)

495 Do they still make Bugles? I love those things. Toot toot!
Posted by: Hunter Biteum at January 24, 2022

***
Sure, Hunt, they have 'em at Dollar Tree. Oh, wait. Your dad recently changed them to Dollar Twenty-Five Tree.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 24, 2022 01:04 PM (txdEq)

496 A lot of American prestige is on the line here. Not with the Paris climate nonsense.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at January 24, 2022 01:04 PM (EZebt)

497 >>I wouldn't send Ukraine a single bullet or blanket unless they came clean on their involvement in the 2016 election.

They allowed our country to get invaded. Fuck them.

Let Chalupa, Newland, and Vindman lead the charge.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 24, 2022 01:05 PM (URNdm)

498 Remember all those churches that got torched in Canada?

Leftist terrorists burned down churches because it came out that there were mass graves at these residence schools where Canadian officials separated "First Nations" kids from their parents and sent the kids to schools where they were taught English, punished for speaking their native language and all that.

Well, I found out this weekend that the "mass graves" was all bullshit. Some people came in with ground penetrating radar and identified what could possibly be a bunch of gravesites.

The only bones found so far are a baby tooth and a rib. The PhD who ran the GPR program explicitly said they don't know if these are graves. Additionally, even if they are graves, they might not be "mass graves." They could be kids who died of Tuberculosis or something.

To be clear, I am not defending any of what Canada's gov't did. I'm just saying the "mass graves" claim is based on a possible interpretation of GPR data and the only bones actually unearthed are a baby tooth and a rib.

Posted by: bonhomme at January 24, 2022 01:05 PM (RaNzC)

499 465 It's not about what is best for europe. Fuck europe. It is not what costs europe and not us.

It is about what is best for America. And I do not believe a russian bear on the prowl is good for America, good for the American economy, or good for American interests. And that does NOT mean I want to go to war.

But because of biden's preceived weakness and real weakness, we are kinda fucked on this one. And China is watching, as is Iran
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 24, 2022 01:01 PM (GPwVZ)

In terms of actual US conflicts of importance with Russia, that centers far more in the Middle East than Ukraine. We need Saudi Arabia and Egypt on our side far more than we need Ukraine. Israel functions as a sort of defensive bulwark for that. Iraq would have too if we had kept a better grip on it.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2022 01:05 PM (z5Vrg)

500 Sorry kids, you gotta go fight and die so the unthinkable doesn't happen.
Posted by: gourmand du jour
__

Not all kids.

Just the non-connected, non-wealthy ones.

Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at January 24, 2022 01:05 PM (RU4sa)

501 China will get Taiwan if Russia gets even just a piece of Ukraine

Posted by: Skip's Phone at January 24, 2022 01:05 PM (Uz1k2)

502 Point of order, we had "won" in Vietnam, we just up and left after that. The North shot it's bolt and lost with the Tet offensive in 68.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at January 24, 2022 01:02 PM (bVYXr)

We won in Iraq as well. By 2008 the country had stabilized and all we really needed to do was keep a small force to continue to train with the Iraqi Army and help serve as an impartial mediator for disputes.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at January 24, 2022 01:05 PM (wmDcS)

503 No war for Mail Order Brides!!!

Posted by: wth at January 24, 2022 01:05 PM (v0R5T)

504 Let Chalupa, Newland, and Vindman lead the charge.

Putin riding a bear vs Bearclaw riding a Rascal Scooter?

Posted by: 18-1 at January 24, 2022 01:05 PM (ESjRY)

505 Prayers for our young men and women who will be cannon fodder.

Yeah. My kid is in the middle of it.

Posted by: nurse ratched at January 24, 2022 01:05 PM (W2Pud)

506 They don't get paid enough to live like billionaires on. They should be term limited and given a bonus at the end of their tenure for the "sacrifice" that will now make them millions. Fuck them
Posted by: CN at January 24, 2022 01:02 PM (ONvIw)

If we are going to dream, expand the HOR to 3K members, one from each county or parish, voting from their local offices and unable to hide from the people they represent, and don't let them ever set foot in DC.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 24, 2022 01:05 PM (yQpMk)

507 That's a pretty old story now. The one about advises evac of non essential personnel.

The shit is not hitting any fans like it did in Tehran in 1979.

Posted by: Mr Gaga at January 24, 2022 01:06 PM (KiBMU)

508
Odd how "code pink senatrix" sinema isn't screeching her fake anti-war bullshit, anymore.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at January 24, 2022 01:06 PM (qCp+w)

509 496 A lot of American prestige is on the line here. Not with the Paris climate nonsense.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at January 24, 2022 01:04 PM (EZebt)

We killed our prestige in Afghanistan and with allowing election "irregularities". Let Europe sink or swim

Posted by: CN at January 24, 2022 01:06 PM (ONvIw)

510 You Army Cold Warriors had the Fulda Gap. I was freezing my ass off on a DD patrolling the GIUK Gap.

Posted by: Archer at January 24, 2022 01:06 PM (gmo/4)

511 Ukraine gdp per capita for 2020 was $3,727

Russia gdp per capita for 2020 was $10,127

This would be like the US taking Mexico to get more poverty and poor fuckers.

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 24, 2022 01:06 PM (yrol0)

512 >>>Hey EU, remember how you told America we were a bunch of trigger happy cowboys?

Yeah, cowboys that kept them safe and allowed them to underspend their defense to make themselves fat and happy. The bill's due, bitches.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at January 24, 2022 01:06 PM (HmZuC)

513 "You cannot allow military aggression against other nations go unabated, lest it eventually end up taking something you eventually care about."

Oh no. After Ukraine, the Putin mafia family, aka Russia, might invade Tukmenistan. The horror of it all!
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 24, 2022 01:03 PM (OalnH)

No, what they will do is use their new found geographical superiority and stature having run the Americans out to put political pressure on Germany, some of our central european allies, and even the english to bend them to the soviet will to our economic disadvantage in europe and all over the world

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 24, 2022 01:06 PM (GPwVZ)

514
Have kurt or raimondo weighed in yet?

Posted by: USNtakim deplorable still. at January 24, 2022 01:03 PM

Don't know about rain man but Kurt's comments have a hang time of about three seconds.

Posted by: Traitor Joe's Military Surplus at January 24, 2022 01:06 PM (dQvv7)

515 China will get Taiwan if Russia gets even just a piece of Ukraine

Well, are either one of them willing to actually, you know, fight?

Posted by: 18-1 at January 24, 2022 01:06 PM (ESjRY)

516 493 "Markets inching up... Someone's buying"

will the Fed Reserve tell us when they use QE magic money to start buying stocks directly? (what do they call it when government owns the businesses?)
Posted by: illiniwek at January 24, 2022 01:04 PM (Cus5s)

ON New Years I predicted a 10% market 'correction'.

Oh.... lookie... we hit 10%.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 24, 2022 01:06 PM (oHd/0)

517 This would be a great time for Biden to die.

Posted by: Head puddi at January 24, 2022 01:06 PM (TTgpD)

518 Brandon didn't even enter the Capitol. This is nuts.
Julie Kelly
@julie_kelly2

21m
Brandon Straka, who pleaded guilty to class B misdemeanor of disorderly conduct, berated by Trump judge and sentenced to 3 months home detention, 3 years probation and $5k fine.

https://tinyurl.com/mr3muzjc

Posted by: redridinghood at January 24, 2022 01:06 PM (NpAcC)

519 everyone here: fuck the deep state!!

also everyone here: let's go to war with Russia to protect the deep state's interests worldwide

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 24, 2022 01:06 PM (OalnH)

520 Saw a blurb yesterday that Intel will build the biggest chip factory in the world, in OHIO.
But it will take a long time to get built, because it WILL be challenged in court over Environmental Legal concerns.

Posted by: Moron Robbie

I don't think this will be an issue. The land to be developed out there is owned/controlled by interests supported by Wexner. What he wants in Central OH, he gets. The fix is in, the shekels have been paid.

*Even though he was an intimate of Epstein and visited the islands numerous times*

Maybe especially because of those relationships he gets what he wants.

Posted by: Tonypete at January 24, 2022 01:06 PM (mD/uy)

521 So how about this - raise every congress critter salary to 350K, but all their investments must be put in a blind trust, AND, no consulting gigs for 10 years after leaving government.
Posted by: 18-1 at January 24, 2022 01:04 PM (ESjRY)

Simply ban any elected official from DC or surrounding 200 miles for ten years after they leave elected office.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at January 24, 2022 01:07 PM (wmDcS)

522 I wouldn't send Ukraine a single bullet or blanket unless they came clean on their involvement in the 2016 election.

They allowed our country to get invaded. Fuck them.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 24, 2022 01:00 PM (ZLI7S)

Holy shit. I mean, backed 95% because I feel for the poot bastards heading for the meat grinder, but that really shows where this is all headed.

Posted by: trev006 at January 24, 2022 01:07 PM (cT+M0)

523 It sounds like Joe, Jill and Kamala are having threesomes.

Posted by: Caliban at January 24, 2022 01:07 PM (HgGBT)

524 This would be like the US taking Mexico to get more poverty and poor fuckers.

Why go abroad and when you can just have them sent here?

Posted by: The GOPe at January 24, 2022 01:07 PM (ESjRY)

525 Biden is putting Kamala in charge of the Ukraine situation.
Posted by: ... at January 24, 2022 01:04 PM (dscaa)

I hear she is Biter.

Posted by: Vlad at January 24, 2022 01:07 PM (v0R5T)

526 "I'm not arguing we should go to war ..."

Thank you.

Posted by: gp Go Brrrrrr at January 24, 2022 01:08 PM (qpX6U)

527
If we are going to dream, expand the HOR to 3K members, one from each county or parish, voting from their local offices and unable to hide from the people they represent, and don't let them ever set foot in DC.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 24, 2022 01:05 PM (yQpMk)

They get rich anyway. I bet the working wives of Senators got huge salary increases the day hubby won his seat. For that matter the CoS spouses also seem to get better jobs and work as de facto lobbyists. They have plenty of cash

Posted by: CN at January 24, 2022 01:08 PM (ONvIw)

528 512 >>>Hey EU, remember how you told America we were a bunch of trigger happy cowboys?

Yeah, cowboys that kept them safe and allowed them to underspend their defense to make themselves fat and happy. The bill's due, bitches.
Posted by: Citizen Cake at January 24, 2022 01:06 PM (HmZuC)

==========

Good gunslingers had an incredibly important role to play in the formation of the west in movies. Assuming that civilization would have sprouted up or been maintained without them, in the context of the western genre, turns the whole thing into pure fantasy.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 24, 2022 01:08 PM (LvTSG)

529 511 Ukraine gdp per capita for 2020 was $3,727

Russia gdp per capita for 2020 was $10,127

This would be like the US taking Mexico to get more poverty and poor fuckers.
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 24, 2022 01:06 PM (yrol0)

EU GDP per capita? $35,620. Soooo, just why in the hell are we over there?

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 24, 2022 01:08 PM (oHd/0)

530 Enough of us came home in body bags for no good reason during Vietnam. We could have resolved that war in 6 months IF we were allowed to fight it.

Posted by: irongrampa at January 24, 2022 01:08 PM (KATBx)

531 I hear she is Biter.
Posted by: Vlad at January 24, 2022 01:07 PM (v0R5T)

Bitter yes Do not know about Biter.

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 24, 2022 01:08 PM (yrol0)

532 No, what they will do is use their new found geographical superiority and stature having run the Americans out to put political pressure on Germany, some of our central european allies, and even the english to bend them to the soviet will to our economic disadvantage in europe and all over the world
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 24, 2022 01:06 PM (GPwVZ)

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Bro, it ain't 1983 anymore. Ge out of that cold war mentality. Russia is a fucking joke of a country. It is a mafia state. It's Mexico with snow. They're not dominating anything or anyone.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 24, 2022 01:08 PM (OalnH)

533 If we were under direct threat from a foreign power (stay with me here), what European country is gonna come help us?

Posted by: ... at January 24, 2022 01:08 PM (dscaa)

534 It's kind of stupid.

Even if Russia invades, they aren't like the Taliban in that they aren't going to round up foreigners and execute or ransom them.

We have consulates and embassies in Russia.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at January 24, 2022 01:08 PM (dbs6Z)

535 Can Ukraine sue Biden for breach of contract? They paid good money for him, after all.

Posted by: Eeyore at January 24, 2022 01:09 PM (7X3UV)

536 American Prestige?? What the fuck is that? In case you haven't been keeping up with current events, that shit left the building a long time ago.

Americans don't have the balls to fight for ourselves, much less anyone else.

Posted by: Jak Sucio at January 24, 2022 01:09 PM (T4dlg)

537 Headline should read "The Warsaw Pact is Back, Baby!"

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 24, 2022 01:09 PM (BFigT)

538 Putin is a giant thumb on the scale with the Russian GDP. I think he gets half. Just like the old Eddie Murphy joke.

Posted by: klaftern at January 24, 2022 01:09 PM (taPSh)

539 Right on schedule, the Who Shit My Pants Administration just had its State Department issue a warning that we wouldn't be able to evacuate US citizens from Ukraine.

Not like anyone noticed we left 10000 citizens in Afghanistan. Why not try the same trick in the middle of Europe?

Posted by: Sharkman at January 24, 2022 01:09 PM (+E0jM)

540 But not everyone who doubts the wisdom of a war, or is generally cool about war, is anti-American, of course.

Bif's opinion. not one single pair of boot on the ground until the shit heads running this country have immediate fsmily members deployed with the boots. to suffer the unimplementable rules of engagement, to suffer the dumbassery of state department agreements, to suffer the blood, pain, suffering, mental injuries, and losses that the boots on the ground will suffer.

Posted by: BifBewalski @ (IJES/) - at January 24, 2022 01:10 PM (IJES/)

541 EU GDP per capita? $35,620. Soooo, just why in the hell are we over there?

Well, given the choice between spending on guns or butter, our European friends chose Sex reassignment surgery

Posted by: 18-1 at January 24, 2022 01:10 PM (ESjRY)

542 Our modern media usually has foreign white people as bad guys on TV. Like ....The Equalizer.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at January 24, 2022 01:10 PM (SlJQV)

543 The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

*at least temporarily*
Posted by: Tonypete

Ahem.

The enema of my enemy is my friend.

Posted by: JT at January 24, 2022 01:10 PM (arJlL)

544 Yeah, cowboys that kept them safe and allowed them to underspend their defense to make themselves fat and happy. The bill's due, bitches.
Posted by: Citizen Cake at January 24, 2022 01:06 PM (HmZuC)

Off you asses Eurotrash, fight or die on your knees.

Posted by: CN at January 24, 2022 01:10 PM (ONvIw)

545 >>>You cannot allow military aggression against other nations go unabated, lest it eventually end up taking something you eventually care about.
Posted by: Marcus T

Slippery slope arguments sometimes get an unjustifiably bad rap, but then sometimes you come up against one so pure, you just have to marvel at it. There's about 15 to 200 stops on the slope between a bit of eastern Ukraine to someplace any American cares about, but sure, eventually, Putin is amphibiously assaulting the Jersey Shore if we let this slide.

Posted by: Match Checksout at January 24, 2022 01:10 PM (dYe5S)

546 I think "unabated" is where there is a difference of opinion.

This shit is hard. Period. Its not for dummies like Biden.
Posted by: there you go at January 24, 2022 01:02 PM

Not true. We Bidens are the master of bated.

Posted by: Hunter B. at January 24, 2022 01:10 PM (a3Q+t)

547 also everyone here: let's go to war with Russia to protect the deep state's interests worldwide
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 24, 2022 01:06 PM (OalnH)

Where do you see "everyone here", or even half of everyone here, saying anything of the sort? I mean, there's stirring up shit and there's stirring up shit.

Posted by: ... at January 24, 2022 01:10 PM (dscaa)

548 Good gunslingers had an incredibly important role to play in the formation of the west in movies. Assuming that civilization would have sprouted up or been maintained without them, in the context of the western genre, turns the whole thing into pure fantasy.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 24, 2022 01:08 PM (LvTSG)

True, the Great Northfield Minnesota Raid was a much better example of how the West was civilized, IMO.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 24, 2022 01:10 PM (oHd/0)

549 Why does Russia hate Ukraine. They killed 5 to 10 Million 70 year ago by taking all their food.

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 24, 2022 01:11 PM (yrol0)

550 >Oh no. After Ukraine, the Putin mafia family, aka Russia, might invade Tukmenistan. The horror of it all!
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 24, 2022 01:03 PM (OalnH)

I think some MIC types are salivating at the prospect of "business is back". War is great for business.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at January 24, 2022 01:11 PM (cHmL0)

551 Bro, it ain't 1983 anymore. Ge out of that cold war mentality. Russia is a fucking joke of a country. It is a mafia state. It's Mexico with snow. They're not dominating anything or anyone.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 24, 2022 01:08 PM (OalnH)

I beg to differ

But I wish all you isolationist good luck

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 24, 2022 01:11 PM (GPwVZ)

552 545
Slippery slope arguments sometimes get an unjustifiably bad rap, but then sometimes you come up against one so pure, you just have to marvel at it. There's about 15 to 200 stops on the slope between a bit of eastern Ukraine to someplace any American cares about, but sure, eventually, Putin is amphibiously assaulting the Jersey Shore if we let this slide.
Posted by: Match Checksout at January 24, 2022 01:10 PM (dYe5S)

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It's an argument with no limiting principle. "It could turn into something worse" is what gets us into every regional conflict on the planet. It hasn't worked.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 24, 2022 01:11 PM (LvTSG)

553 hiya

Posted by: JT at January 24, 2022 01:11 PM (arJlL)

554 >>>Good gunslingers had an incredibly important role to play in the formation of the west in movies. Assuming that civilization would have sprouted up or been maintained without them, in the context of the western genre, turns the whole thing into pure fantasy.

*America rides off into the sunset*
Europe, running after us: "Shane, come back!"

Posted by: Citizen Cake at January 24, 2022 01:11 PM (HmZuC)

555 I guess it's in the American DNA that every 10 years or so we have to send thousands of 19 year olds off to a shithole somewhere to get blown up. Why? Cuz reasons that's why. And shut the fuck up commie if you disagree.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 24, 2022 01:11 PM (OalnH)

556 That's why you don't 'invest' in politicians with dementia.

You want a bought politician to stay bought. Not one who forgot what bribe came from where.

(You as in a crooked man from a crooked country with its own crooked government overseen by a crooked hegemony. Not erudite morons such as the readers of this fine blog.)

Posted by: Another Anon at January 24, 2022 01:11 PM (bW28E)

557 Bif's opinion: not one single pair of boots on the ground until the shitheads running this country have immediate family members deployed with the boots. to suffer the unimplementable rules of engagement, to suffer the dumbassery of state department agreements, to suffer the blood, pain, suffering, mental injuries, and losses that the boots on the ground will suffer.
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Of course, not going to happen.

Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at January 24, 2022 01:11 PM (RU4sa)

558 US Oil Imports from Russia
Trump's 1st yr. in office - 18,000 barrels per day
Biden's 1st yr. in office 206,000 per day

Posted by: redridinghood at January 24, 2022 01:11 PM (NpAcC)

559 12 The embassy personnel are leaving, but the regular American citizens will not be evacuated. i guess this is the new Democrat thing; leaving people in war zones.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 24, 2022 12:19 PM (bkUtD)

Human shield tactic?

Posted by: kathysaysso at January 24, 2022 01:11 PM (vkS2Z)

560 @482: "Thats a sad reflection, because NATO is soon to be history."

It's been on life support ever since the EU reached a point of stable integration that could justify raising and supporting a multi-national army. They're stable, sure, but that doesn't mean EU members actually trust one another when it comes to war and sovereignty, and losing the UK means they've lost their most important link back to the US too. It's such a mess.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at January 24, 2022 01:11 PM (+WWsf)

561 The Conservative Case for another war in Europe.

Posted by: Bill Kristol at January 24, 2022 01:12 PM (v0R5T)

562 Europe, running after us: "Shane, come back!"

Please come back and spank me some more!

Posted by: Angel Merkel as Maureen O'Hara at January 24, 2022 01:12 PM (ESjRY)

563 Let Chalupa, Newland, and Vindman lead the charge.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 24, 2022 01:05 PM (URNdm)

I googled Chalupa, and got Taco Bell.

Posted by: BignJames at January 24, 2022 01:12 PM (AwYPR)

564 554 >>>Good gunslingers had an incredibly important role to play in the formation of the west in movies. Assuming that civilization would have sprouted up or been maintained without them, in the context of the western genre, turns the whole thing into pure fantasy.

*America rides off into the sunset*
Europe, running after us: "Shane, come back!"
Posted by: Citizen Cake at January 24, 2022 01:11 PM (HmZuC)

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Shane's dead.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 24, 2022 01:12 PM (LvTSG)

565 All of Iran has the GDP of Dallas-Ft Worth and we aren't doing shit against them. The issue isn't muscle.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 24, 2022 01:12 PM (yQpMk)

566 529 511 Ukraine gdp per capita for 2020 was $3,727

Russia gdp per capita for 2020 was $10,127

This would be like the US taking Mexico to get more poverty and poor fuckers.
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 24, 2022 01:06 PM (yrol0)

EU GDP per capita? $35,620. Soooo, just why in the hell are we over there?
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 24, 2022 01:08 PM (oHd/0)

HW's New World Order(which should probably just be understood as the Washington Consensus). Need to sign Russia up for NATO. That and liberalizing China by trading with them is their roadmap for US global dominance.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2022 01:12 PM (z5Vrg)

567 Where do you see "everyone here", or even half of everyone here, saying anything of the sort? I mean, there's stirring up shit and there's stirring up shit.
Posted by: ... at January 24, 2022 01:10 PM (dscaa)

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Fine. Mostly everyone here.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 24, 2022 01:12 PM (OalnH)

568 Off you asses Eurotrash, fight or die on your knees.

Posted by: CN at January

Yup

Posted by: I Mean at January 24, 2022 01:12 PM (t4gIP)

569 American Prestige?? What the fuck is that?

It's the immaculate illusion.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at January 24, 2022 01:13 PM (tfTvi)

570 Italians who refuse vax have to find alternate sea transport due to being prohibited from commercial travel.

This man exiting the dinghy is an appellate court judge who was suspended without pay because he refuses the jab:

https://tinyurl.com/2p8rzpux

Posted by: kallisto at January 24, 2022 01:13 PM (DJFLF)

571 Europe, running after us: "Shane, come back!"
Posted by: Citizen Cake at January 24, 2022

***
"Perhaps you have something to say about soda pop or pigs."

Posted by: Shane at January 24, 2022 01:13 PM (txdEq)

572 560 @482: "Thats a sad reflection, because NATO is soon to be history."

It's been on life support ever since the EU reached a point of stable integration that could justify raising and supporting a multi-national army. They're stable, sure, but that doesn't mean EU members actually trust one another when it comes to war and sovereignty, and losing the UK means they've lost their most important link back to the US too. It's such a mess.
Posted by: Walter Freeman at January 24, 2022 01:11 PM (+WWsf)

The EU was put together by Europe to contest and reduce US influence in Europe. And it worked, though their two attempts at putting together an EU army have been laughable.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2022 01:13 PM (z5Vrg)

573 Posted by: bonhomme at January 24, 2022 01:05 PM (RaNzC)

Yes; There is information about this in the previous post. I feel terribly sorry for the church congregants. They need to sue the media.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 24, 2022 01:13 PM (k49Sx)

574 Hey Joe, no I'm not going to go make Putin happy in that special way I'm good at.

F*ck you!

Posted by: Kamala Harris turning down "Losing the War Cazr" role at January 24, 2022 01:13 PM (ESjRY)

575 mallfly. Mentioned this the other day. Production here is great but the plant in OH will than send the chips overseas for inspection and packaging. It will be years before these plants help.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at January 24, 2022 01:14 PM (2NHgQ)

576 Shane's dead.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 24, 2022 01:12 PM (LvTSG)

The little shit shot me in the ass with my own gun!!

Posted by: Jak Sucio at January 24, 2022 01:14 PM (T4dlg)

577 Boris Johnson says UK intelligence is warning of a "lightning war" to take Kiev.

http://bitly.ws/o5x2

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at January 24, 2022 01:15 PM (sWM8x)

578 The ban from public/commercial water transport is creating a nightmare for the unjabbed Venetians.

Posted by: kallisto at January 24, 2022 01:15 PM (DJFLF)

579 I googled Chalupa, and got Taco Bell.

Taco Bell has a more coherent foreign policy than Chalupa.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 24, 2022 01:15 PM (ZGrMX)

580 Of course, not going to happen.
Posted by: SMH

i know. and that's sad that they have no skin in the game at all.

Posted by: BifBewalski @ (IJES/) - at January 24, 2022 01:15 PM (IJES/)

581 Europe fucks us over with high tariffs for 50 years while we allow their products here tarriff free.

Europe is a thorn in our side on every geo political issue for 50 years.

And then Europe allows itself to be invaded by 1/2 of the middle east's population.

But we have to defend Europe from Putin.

Fuck off with that shit.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 24, 2022 01:15 PM (OalnH)

582 Boris Johnson says UK intelligence is warning of a "lightning war" to take Kiev.

Like seriously? The Russian have a weapon to make lightning? Milley you told me we had all the cool new weapons!

Posted by: POTATUS at January 24, 2022 01:15 PM (ESjRY)

583 >>I googled Chalupa, and got Taco Bell.

Alexandra Chalupa, a Ukrainian just like Vindman.
She was part of the Russia collusion op and the Ukraine op.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 24, 2022 01:15 PM (URNdm)

584 I have no reason to believe anything the major media tell me. I have no faith in the institutions of our country.
Therefore, there is no reason for me to support war on or against a country that hasn't attacked us. Not again, at least.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at January 24, 2022 01:16 PM (MFphb)

585
Let Chalupa, Newland, and Vindman lead the charge.
Posted by: Lizzy

And the insurrectionist co-conspirator Fiona Hill.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at January 24, 2022 01:16 PM (qCp+w)

586 How is it that, after twenty years of Iraq and Afghanistan, with the economy in ruins, our people at one another's throats, our culture war at high tide and the whole of the populace ready to divide the nation in two (or more!), we still have people arguing for involvement in foreign wars in America's best interests.

As the curtains have been slowly falling away, revealing the depth of corruption, grift, and bloody-handed globalism at work, with America's shambling corpse as their standard-bearer, how is it that some people still don't get it?

What lesson is needed, exactly, to prove to the perpetual war hawks that they have been misled and used by evil men and women advancing their personal interests with the blood of America's sons and daughters?

America, as we thought we knew it, has not existed for many long years, if indeed it ever did. Faith in America is a metaphor for faith in its institutions - (and we've all seen how that's turned out) and faith in its people - half of whom are degenerates who can't even speak out against men entering the girls' bathroom with the devil's own fucking grin.

Whence this fanaticism?

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 24, 2022 01:16 PM (6JL3d)

587 Hey Joe, no I'm not going to go make Putin happy in that special way I'm good at.

F*ck you!
Posted by: Kamala Harris turning down "Losing the War Cazr" role at January 24, 2022 01:13 PM (ESjRY)

You flatter self, ugly bitch.

Posted by: Vlad at January 24, 2022 01:16 PM (v0R5T)

588 577 Boris Johnson says UK intelligence is warning of a "lightning war" to take Kiev.

http://bitly.ws/o5x2
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at January 24, 2022 01:15 PM (sWM8x)

Wasn't he just sent packing?

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 24, 2022 01:16 PM (Y5qcH)

589 520.TP I read a few days ago that the farmland Intel will build on has been annexed to NewAlbany in the past few months. 3,000 acres. As you said there will be few bumps in the road to build that plant. Supposedly ground breaking this spring.

Posted by: Jen the original at January 24, 2022 01:16 PM (MTuUI)

590 HW's New World Order(which should probably just be understood as the Washington Consensus). Need to sign Russia up for NATO. That and liberalizing China by trading with them is their roadmap for US global dominance.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2022 01:12 PM (z5Vrg)

IMO Russia is going through the Robber Baron phase of Capitalism, same as we did in the late 1800s. Yes, we have different terms for it today... but... if we bothered to listen to their concerns and work with them, they could easily help us against a China.

Note, we have no border with Russia, China does. Play to their paranoia. Make it work for us.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 24, 2022 01:16 PM (oHd/0)

591
And it's one, two, three
What are we fighting for ?
Don't ask me
I don't have a brain
Next stop
Is The Ukraine

Posted by: County Joe and the Brief Refrain at January 24, 2022 01:16 PM (vrz2I)

592 The little shit shot me in the ass with my own gun!!
Posted by: Jak Sucio at January 24, 2022 01:14 PM

Good thing it was a 9mm, and not a .45 ACP.

;-)

Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 24, 2022 01:17 PM (a3Q+t)

593 Is Ukraine considered part of Europe, or Asia? Is most of it on the European side of the Urals?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 24, 2022 01:17 PM (txdEq)

594 476 Yeah $180K a year for living in DC and having a mortgage back home is ridiculously low pay. Only people willing to sign up are young people like AOC who don't mind living in a 500 sq ft studio, or people who are wealthy already and don't care either.
_________

AOC was a bartender/waitress before being elected to congress. That $175k congressional salary, with luxurious bennies, was a big step up for her. That's definitely not the case with most of those crooked grifters. Of course, most of them don't have the benefit of a crooked Indian techie masterminding/bankrolling their race behind the scenes, like AOC did.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at January 24, 2022 01:17 PM (k4dH2)

595 You know, the left told me if I voted for Trump in 2020 that we would have world war three.

And it looks like they were right!

Posted by: 18-1 at January 24, 2022 01:17 PM (ESjRY)

596 Boris Johnson says UK intelligence is warning of a "lightning war" to take Kiev.

http://bitly.ws/o5x2
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at January 24, 2022 01:15 PM (sWM8x)

Replace take with raze, and you got it.

Posted by: trev006 at January 24, 2022 01:17 PM (Eqkqm)

597 A lot of American prestige is on the line here. Not with the Paris climate nonsense.

I'm tired of the Democrats fashioning alleged "binding agreements" (the Budapest Agreement, the Paris Climate Accords, the Iran Deal) that they have no intention of submitting to the Senate for "ratification".

I'll tell you what would help American "prestige" - limit our foreign obligations to signed treaties. If foreign countries want to sign agreements with the United States that aren't ratified, they need to know that these "agreements" can be abrogated at any time.

Posted by: The Russian Federation! at January 24, 2022 01:17 PM (I2/tG)

598 We need to load the B1s, set out the under sea nukes and spin up the silos. Just to be sure. Nukes for Ukraine.

Posted by: USNtakim deplorable still. at January 24, 2022 01:18 PM (0OmEj)

599 but... if we bothered to listen to their concerns and work with them, they could easily help us against a China.

That's basically what the head of the German navy said. Sorry, ex-head of the German navy.

They fired him for it.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 24, 2022 01:18 PM (ESjRY)

600 If we were under direct threat from a foreign power (stay with me here), what European country is gonna come help us?
Posted by: ...

The Duchy of Grand Fenwick.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at January 24, 2022 01:18 PM (tfTvi)

601 Hey EU, remember how you told America we were a bunch of trigger happy cowboys?
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When I lived in Europe I was alternately berated with "Americans are warmongers" canards, and with "And you didn't come to fight for us until Pearl Harbor."

So ... which is it?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 24, 2022 01:19 PM (YqDXo)

602 Hey Joe, no I'm not going to go make Putin happy in that special way I'm good at.

F*ck you!
Posted by: Kamala Harris turning down "Losing the War Cazr" role at January 24, 2022 01:13 PM (ESjRY)

Ahahaha. The guy who could take Bolshoi ballerinas courting will accept a charmless aged-out jezebel to touch his Wang? Get outta here.

Posted by: trev006 at January 24, 2022 01:19 PM (Eqkqm)

603 Boris Johnson says UK intelligence is warning of a "lightning war" to take Kiev.
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Wasn't there a German military term for that?

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at January 24, 2022 01:19 PM (DnWKq)

604 We are broke, just lost a way, and have a tyrannical government at home.

I'm all out of f*cks to give as to the fate of Ukraine.

Good luck guys! And if you win, could you come over here an help us against our tyrant?

Posted by: 18-1 at January 24, 2022 01:19 PM (ESjRY)

605 Germany has a navy?

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 24, 2022 01:19 PM (OalnH)

606 Italy's radical vaxx mandates are so severe, even Amnesty International speaks out:

https://tinyurl.com/572vzpbm

Posted by: kallisto at January 24, 2022 01:19 PM (DJFLF)

607 The Chinese are paying the Democrats to remove their nearest competitor and open up the Siberian resources to their industrialists.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 24, 2022 01:20 PM (yQpMk)

608 593 Is Ukraine considered part of Europe, or Asia? Is most of it on the European side of the Urals?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 24, 2022 01:17 PM (txdEq)

Europe. It's just north of Greece and Turkey.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2022 01:20 PM (z5Vrg)

609 @490: "Top 5% of US salary earners make about 350K."

Top five percent of households, not earners, and three-quarters of those households are dual income.

In broader terms, $174k congress critters are looking at four times the median individual US income, and more or less exactly on the top 5% threshold for individuals.

Plus, they can easily add another 15% ($26k) in supplemental income from easily gamed assets like rental properties.

Sure, it doesn't look like much in terms of DC, NYC, LA, or SF money, but $174k annual salary does mean one is comfortably living near the long tail of the bell curve.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at January 24, 2022 01:20 PM (+WWsf)

610 >>> No, what they will do is use their new found geographical superiority and stature having run the Americans out to put political pressure on Germany, some of our central european allies, and even the english to bend them to the soviet will to our economic disadvantage in europe and all over the world
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 24, 2022 01:06 PM (GPwVZ)

There is no soviet anything.

Posted by: banana Dream at January 24, 2022 01:20 PM (+Z1Gj)

611 523 It sounds like Joe, Jill and Kamala are having threesomes.
Posted by: Caliban

Joe is watching Jill and Kamala. Not sure how functional he is to participate.

Posted by: Puddleglum at January 24, 2022 01:20 PM (sAmhv)

612 Germany has a navy?
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 24, 2022 01:19 PM (OalnH)

Mostly at the bottom of the Atlantc

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 24, 2022 01:20 PM (GPwVZ)

613 Anyone who might have caught Bannon this am 1/24

may find this interesting. It's near over for the live part, so it's on rumble.

Search for Ron Johnson Covid19: a second opinion.

Everything we been suspecting of the evil.

Posted by: micky at January 24, 2022 01:20 PM (3byMq)

614 Vaccine NOOD.

Posted by: Catherine at January 24, 2022 01:20 PM (ZSsrh)

615 The Duchy of Grand Fenwick.
Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at January 24, 2022 01:18 PM (tfTvi)
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Well, they've got the Q-bomb, so there's that.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at January 24, 2022 01:20 PM (DnWKq)

616 When I lived in Europe I was alternately berated with "Americans are warmongers" canards, and with "And you didn't come to fight for us until Pearl Harbor."

I once had a Belgian berate me for the US not going to war in Rwanda.

When I let him know I was fully aware of the history of the place and what his country had done he didn't want to talk about it anymore.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 24, 2022 01:20 PM (ESjRY)

617 Is Ukraine considered part of Europe, or Asia? Is most of it on the European side of the Urals?

European side

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 24, 2022 01:21 PM (5kI0z)

618 >>I googled Chalupa, and got Taco Bell.
........

I googled Enchirito, it said Taco Bell brought them back but my local Taco Bell doesn't have them.

Posted by: wth at January 24, 2022 01:21 PM (v0R5T)

619 When I lived in Europe I was alternately berated with "Americans are warmongers" canards, and with "And you didn't come to fight for us until Pearl Harbor."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 24, 2022 01:19 PM (YqDXo)

____

Holy shit me too. Not about Pearl Harbor but about every shithole fight between two dictators in Africa. Why doesn't the US do something about Sudan or whatever the fuck? Followed by, how dare the US be so imperialist and have bases all over the world.

Uhhhh OK.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 24, 2022 01:21 PM (OalnH)

620 There is no soviet anything.
Posted by: banana Dream at January 24, 2022 01:20 PM (+Z1Gj)

I guess you don't get sarcasm

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 24, 2022 01:21 PM (GPwVZ)

621 AOC was a bartender/waitress before being elected to congress. That $175k congressional salary, with luxurious bennies, was a big step up for her. That's definitely not the case with most of those crooked grifters. Of course, most of them don't have the benefit of a crooked Indian techie masterminding/bankrolling their race behind the scenes, like AOC did.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at January 24, 2022 01:17 PM (k4dH2)

I think that the States should BUY Congressional Housing in DC. Let the office holder live there for their term... kinda like the White House.

Would help a LOT of the corruption IMO, and be a fairly small cost longterm.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 24, 2022 01:21 PM (oHd/0)

622 British WW2 vet:

When we fried our artillery, the Germans kept their heads down. When the Germans fired their artillery we kept our heads down. When the yanks fired their artillery, we all kept our heads down.

True.

Posted by: Archer at January 24, 2022 01:21 PM (gmo/4)

623 If you really want to terrify Putin you'll support our democracy by supporting the Federalization of all future elections and making sure Eric and Ivanka Trump are forced to testify to the Jan 6 Star Chamber.

Posted by: Democrat Loony Bin at January 24, 2022 01:21 PM (I+ZWa)

624 Why does Germany have a Secretary of the Navy.

Posted by: Boss Moss at January 24, 2022 01:21 PM (todmg)

625 593 Is Ukraine considered part of Europe, or Asia? Is most of it on the European side of the Urals?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 24, 2022 01:17 PM (txdEq)

It's considered part of Europe.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 24, 2022 01:22 PM (s2VJv)

626 Ahahaha. The guy who could take Bolshoi ballerinas courting will accept a charmless aged-out jezebel to touch his Wang? Get outta here.
Posted by: trev006 at January 24, 2022 01:19 PM

Do you need any more proof that she's not being set up for success?????

Posted by: Kamala!'s staff at January 24, 2022 01:22 PM (a3Q+t)

627 624 Why does Germany have a Secretary of the Navy.
Posted by: Boss Moss at January 24, 2022 01:21 PM (todmg)

Because it is a maritime country, I imagine.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 24, 2022 01:22 PM (s2VJv)

628 The EU was put together by Europe to contest and reduce US influence in Europe. And it worked, though their two attempts at putting together an EU army have been laughable.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 24, 2022 01:13 PM (z5Vrg)

Germany will promise to increase their military contribution from 1.5% to 1.2%.

Posted by: rd at January 24, 2022 01:23 PM (Z32m1)

629 Newt Gingrich said that Liz Cheney is that sticky shit that collects under Tank's fat folds.

How does this make you feel?!

Posted by: Democrat Loony Bin at January 24, 2022 01:23 PM (I+ZWa)

630 624 Why does Germany have a Secretary of the Navy.
Posted by: Boss Moss at January 24, 2022 01:21 PM (todmg)

___

I'll do you one better. Why does Switzerland have one?

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 24, 2022 01:24 PM (OalnH)

631 348 This is all ass covering. Everyone beating the drum for "protecting" Ukraine is doing so only because they are terrified of Russia possibly getting access to and exposing all of the information on their and their family's shady deals.

They're protecting themselves.
Posted by: Bif at January 24, 2022 12:50 PM (Eonw

This has been my thinking too.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at January 24, 2022 01:24 PM (Fs5vw)

632 If this administration allows this invasion into the Ukraine hopefully it will seal death to the Democratic Party.

Posted by: sidney at January 24, 2022 01:25 PM (LJJah)

633 >>>Remember, the State of the Union isn't until March.

I hope the SCOTUS attends. I laugh when I see the jerking movements under their robes.

Posted by: Capital Eff at January 24, 2022 01:25 PM (GYllL)

634 Why does Germany have a Secretary of the Navy.
Posted by: Boss Moss at January 24, 2022 01:21 PM (todmg)

They need someone ready to blame when the public notices that none of their Navy ships are seaworthy, much less battle ready.

Posted by: rd at January 24, 2022 01:25 PM (Z32m1)

635 Disclose.tv
@disclosetv
1h
JUST IN - Meta (aka Facebook) unleashes "next-gen AI supercomputer" that will "identify harmful content" and more.

Posted by: redridinghood at January 24, 2022 01:26 PM (NpAcC)

636 Why is there an Interstate Highway in Hawaii?

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 24, 2022 01:26 PM (yQpMk)

637 Boris Johnson says UK intelligence is warning of a "lightning war" to take Kiev.

http://bitly.ws/o5x2
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at January 24, 2022 01:15 PM (sWM8x)
***

No.
Passes through generally friendly Donbass to the Crimea...a quick drive over to Odessa. Kiev is untouched. Game over.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 24, 2022 01:26 PM (axyOa)

638 It's possible for the Left to be right on a particular policy for all the wrong reasons.

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at January 24, 2022 01:26 PM (Zl0qV)

639 >>636 Why is there an Interstate Highway in Hawaii?

The Poi brains want their sweet sweet federal maintenance dollars?

Posted by: Capital Eff at January 24, 2022 01:28 PM (GYllL)

640 Sure, it doesn't look like much in terms of DC, NYC, LA, or SF money, but $174k annual salary does mean one is comfortably living near the long tail of the bell curve.
Posted by: Walter Freeman

That's just their paycheck. Does that include expense accounts? Slush funds for offices back home, etc?

Then there's insider trading...

Posted by: rickb223 at January 24, 2022 01:30 PM (uXonU)

641 Report: Pathetic RINO Missouri Governor Mike Parson Is Pushing "Ranked Choice" Voting in Attempt to Help Democrats in State

-GP

Posted by: Capital Eff at January 24, 2022 01:31 PM (GYllL)

642 US Oil Imports from Russia

Trump's 1st yr. in office - 18,000 barrels per day

Trump's last year in office - 0.00 barrels per day.

Biden's 1st yr. in office 206,000 per day

Posted by: redridinghood

Posted by: Sharkman at January 24, 2022 01:31 PM (+E0jM)

643
Billy K doesn't even have decent credentials in his chosen profession. He's never written a book by himself, not once. His sparse bibliography consists of being the editor of a few collections of essays by others, a reprint anthology or two of his magazine articles, and a single book co-written with some other dooshbag (who undoubtedly did all the hard work).

Even Jonah G supposedly wrote a book by himself (although mostly cribbed from other works).

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 24, 2022 01:32 PM (n+4am)

644 Could be it's time to express tender concern for the Ukrainians and wish them luck in resolving their issues with Russia.

Posted by: irongrampa at January 24, 2022 01:32 PM (KATBx)

645 Germany has a navy?
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 24, 2022 01:19 PM (OalnH)

Germany has navy ships and subs, most of which are tied up to a pier as they are not seaworthy, much less battle ready.

Ditto their Air Force. Most of their Fighters cannot even take off. Greece has more Leopard Tanks than Germany. Their soldiers usually show up late and leave early from military excercises, because they cannot afford to pay them the Overtime Pay. Belgium, Netherlands, and the like are not much better.

Posted by: rd at January 24, 2022 01:35 PM (Z32m1)

646 Is Ukraine considered part of Europe, or Asia? Is most of it on the European side of the Urals?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 24, 2022 01:17 PM (txdEq)
*
It's considered part of Europe.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 24, 2022

***
For some reason I always think it and the Black Sea are much farther east than they are.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 24, 2022 01:36 PM (txdEq)

647 Germany does have a 65 ship Navy, including 11 frigates and 3 corvettes, 3 subs and the rest replenishment ships and other aux vessels.

So they have enough shit to coordinate that they need a Navy Secretary. Although in fairness, that Navy Secretary might just be a sexy admin assistant named Inga who can type 100 words a minute.

Posted by: Sharkman at January 24, 2022 01:37 PM (+E0jM)

648 630 624 Why does Germany have a Secretary of the Navy.
Posted by: Boss Moss at January 24, 2022 01:21 PM (todmg)

___

I'll do you one better. Why does Switzerland have one?

it's a mistranslation. it's supposed to be navel secretary.

Posted by: Kulak Anachronda, behind the Newsom curtain at January 24, 2022 01:37 PM (oY6Yp)

649 Nood

Posted by: Sharkman at January 24, 2022 01:39 PM (+E0jM)

650 "Why is there an Interstate Highway in Hawaii?"

To suck up federal highway funds, duh...

Posted by: gourmand du jour at January 24, 2022 01:43 PM (jTmQV)

651 Vindeman is insane:

https://twitter.com/DeadlineWH/status/1484682293809758216

Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at January 24, 2022 01:46 PM (iSmWY)

652 I too was wrong about Iraq. My error was that I had not yet learned that the kind of pluralism necessary for a peaceful democracy to thrive is impossible in the Islamic world. I believed that giving the Islamic world a leg up into a pluralist democracy was vital to American national security interests because it would spare us permanent aggression from the sort of hopeless, suicidal, murdering losers that Islam culture is so good at producing.

Is there a compelling "national security interests" case for the US intervening in the Ukraine? "Advocating for democracy" isn't enough unless it is a means to protect American interests.

Posted by: Anotheranon at January 24, 2022 02:19 PM (8Ze5j)

653 The problem with Iraq was not in going in and removing Hussein.
The problem was in installing a local government immediate after and thinking it would be a Western style democratic republic and not another Middle Eastern strongman.
The same with Afghanistan.
The war was not problem, it was the peace.

As for the evacuation order, given Biden's record, it is probably too late.
Fortunately, Putin has no need for hostages, and will gladly help trapped foreign nationals to score points with supporters and apologists.
Well, provided the survive the conflict and panic.

Posted by: Sam at January 24, 2022 02:35 PM (ohyxL)

654 My only regret in supporting the Iraq war is that I didn't foresee how the Democrats would first corrupt the effort, then try to expand it into something totally different than the original mission, finally to switch sides and become rabidly opposed to it attacking every aspect of it once they had fucked it up beyond all recognition.

This is why now, I will be against all wars by this government, including a war of self-defense. Not until the Democrat party is utterly eliminated and all democrat operatives (ticks) removed from government-paid positions, will this government be worthy of a single drop of a free citizen's blood.

Posted by: TSgt Ciz at January 24, 2022 02:48 PM (TsIaP)

655 Another factoid from Bongino's show: the Bidens were taking money from Ukrainians who were/are PRO-RUSSKIE.

So maybe that threat of war is as empty as Bai-Den's memory banks.

Posted by: dad29 at January 24, 2022 02:55 PM (mzJmr)

656 My dad's a combat veteran. So am I. I have a child currently in each the Army, the Navy, and the Marines.

There is no reason for American blood to be spilled preserving the sovereignty of the Ukraine. Anyone who says that's an anti-American sentiment is a bloodthirsty warmonger.

Posted by: MarkW at January 24, 2022 02:58 PM (iDVR9)

657 95 Actually getting shot at is for the lower classes.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 24, 2022 12:27 PM (S8fQ+)

Who is in our armed forces today, in the enlisted ranks? Woke trans utes for whom the admission barriers were lowered. Will Biden send them to the front?

Posted by: Turkish Getup at January 24, 2022 02:59 PM (kOTaV)

658 Democrat Ukraine policy...
2008 - 2016 - Blankets
2016 - 2020 - THAT PHONE CALL THOUGH
2020 - 2022 - WAR!!!

Posted by: RealityMan at January 24, 2022 04:00 PM (XTMvj)

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