The Morning Rant [Dave in Fla, Guest Monkey]

Will we ever get a rational public health policy?

Over the holidays a study was published in the European Journal of Epidemiology that examined the correlation between Covid infection rates and vaccinations during the first two weeks of September. This was the point when the delta variant was moving through the world. The study examined 68 countries and 2,947 US counties and found no difference in the infection rates based on level of vaccination in the population. Countries/counties with 25% vaccination rates were equally impacted as those with 70%. In fact, a small increase could be found in the data where high vaccination areas had slightly higher infection rates. For example, Portugal and Iceland at over 75% vaccination rates had about the same infection rate as Vietnam and South Africa where the vaccination rate is around 10%.

The fact that this data is readily available to any data researcher, and that this information is never reported by health officials, or the media, is a clear indication the public health is not what is driving policy. Instead, the focus remains on pushing ineffective strategies such as vaccination of children. If our ruling class actually wanted to mitigate Covid, they would put forward a real policy, not the incoherent incantations against evil spirits that they do now.

As much as the media and political class hate him, rational public health policy has been defined by Ron DeSantis in Florida. From the beginning of the worldwide Covid crisis, he has been consistent on following the best scientific data available, in order to protect Floridians. This hasn't always meant that the correct decisions were made, but when new data became available, he would shift policy to deal with the facts on the ground.

At the start, he followed the same lockdown policies that most other states and countries followed. When it became apparent that the data didn't support lockdowns, and that the state economy was being harmed, he was among the first to lift the lockdown, and he has never considered returning to an that ineffective strategy.

Also, he followed the research showing the most vulnerable population was the elderly, a demographic where Florida exceeds other states that had high infection rates, such as New York and Michigan. He bucked the Medicare and hospital establishment and refused to allow Covid patients to be returned nursing homes. This alone is the major reason why the Covid death rate in Florida is so much lower than in New York, Michigan, and California, despite having a much higher percentage of at-risk individuals.

More recently, he set up treatment centers for monoclonal antibody treatments for severe Covid illnesses. These are state-funded and no cost to the patient. He has literally saved thousands of lives by using the most effective measures available, while ignoring "the science" being spouted by the CDC and the WHO. If it works, it is supported in Florida. If it doesn't, it is ignored.

If the medical establishment were to enact rational public health policies, it would look like this.

1) Recognize that Covid is endemic and quit pretending like it can be eliminated or "beaten". Begin to shape health policy around mitigating the disease, exactly like we have been doing with influenza since 1918.

2) Eliminate mask policies, except in high-risk environments, such as nursing homes. When masks are used, mandate use of the N95 masks. It is pointless to keep wearing a useless piece of cloth, when they have been proven to provide no benefit.

3) Vaccination should be completely optional and encouraged for high-risk people only due to age or obesity. Also quit pretending that they provide more than marginal protection. The simple fact is that natural immunity is much more effective than the vaccines, and they pose inherent risk. I personally feel they are a mistake, but there isn't enough data to show the risks outweigh the benefits, yet.

4) Increase the push for the public to utilize preventative measures, such as the vitamin D/Zinc/Quercetin cocktail to increase body immunity. As a society, most people do not get enough Vitamin D to stay resistant to many illnesses, a product of our increased lack of outdoor activities.

5) Utilize therapeutics for people who become symptomatic, including Ivermectin or the new drugs from Pfizer and Merck. In severe cases the use of monoclonal antibodies as alternatives to hospitalization, or other therapeutics as the monoclonal therapies become less effective due to virus mutations.

6) Increase the availability and use of testing. Quit pretending that only the unvaccinated need to be tested. Anyone who is symptomatic should be tested, and it should be easy for people to do so.

7) Finally, encourage the one beneficial change in society that came out of this last 2 years. Establish a culture of staying home and self-isolating when you are sick. Going to work when you have a cold has been typical for our business culture prior to Covid. This is the one cultural change that I think is beneficial to encourage, and a lot more useful than spending tax dollars pushing the vaccines.

I don't expect any such policy to be enacted, which is why the public distrusts the medical intelligentsia and their media enablers. Fortunately, I get the live somewhere where Covid policy is rational and appropriate therapies and mitigation strategies are followed. It is a shame more state and country leaders (I'm looking at you Australia) don't follow the successful DeSantis model.

And since there were some complaints Monday about the lack of Who dis, pictures...

And for the 'ettes

Posted by: Open Blogger at 11:18 AM

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1 first.

Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at January 04, 2022 11:18 AM (bVYXr)

2 not sponge

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 04, 2022 11:18 AM (LvTSG)

3 Heh. 'ettes have gotta be pissed.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 04, 2022 11:19 AM (axyOa)

4 hiya

Posted by: JT at January 04, 2022 11:19 AM (arJlL)

5 Will we ever get a rational public health policy?

Bwahahahahaha!!!!

Deep Breath

Bwahahahahaha!!!!

Posted by: Diogenes at January 04, 2022 11:20 AM (axyOa)

6 Will we ever get a rational public health policy?

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Eventually yes. Doubtful the libs in the city will like it.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at January 04, 2022 11:20 AM (sX1BW)

7 Bette Davis and Buddy Hackett

Posted by: JT at January 04, 2022 11:20 AM (arJlL)

8 Buddy Hackett and I don't know who the guy is...

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at January 04, 2022 11:20 AM (flINI)

9 Buddy Hackett and damn could he ever tell a joke. His appearances on Carson are legendary.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 04, 2022 11:20 AM (axyOa)

10 Man....that monkey has a sunburn...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Lawful Good is Not Lawful Perfect at January 04, 2022 11:20 AM (V6f9+)

11 Do not know the lady pictured. Buddy Hackett is the guy. Gee thanks Dave. So much better than Tom Selleck or Clark Gable.

Posted by: Jen the original at January 04, 2022 11:21 AM (EST9B)

12 Dave has a Monkey Buck you need one

Posted by: Skip's Phone at January 04, 2022 11:21 AM (HjuIr)

13 Nonchalant monkey got a toothpick in his mouth. He knows some shit.

Posted by: Eromero at January 04, 2022 11:21 AM (0OP+5)

14 "Will we ever get a rational public health policy?"

YES!! Send $100 ASAP and we will make it happen!!
- GOP

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 04, 2022 11:21 AM (OalnH)

15 "But how are we supposed to meet our analysts' earnings expectations?!"

-- Pharma CEOs

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at January 04, 2022 11:22 AM (llON8)

16 4) Increase the push for the public to utilize preventative measures, such as the vitamin D/Zinc/Quercetin cocktail to increase body immunity. As a society, most people do not get enough Vitamin D to stay resistant to many illnesses, a product of our increased lack of outdoor activities.

5) Utilize therapeutics for people who become symptomatic, including Ivermectin or the new drugs from Pfizer and Merck. In severe cases the use of monoclonal antibodies as alternatives to hospitalization, or other therapeutics as the monoclonal therapies become less effective due to virus mutations.
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Those two are the key, and they aren't happening for a reason. The fact that there is no government-approved early incident/outpatient treatment protocol - combined with the fact that deviating from the formal government (non)-treatment protocol can result in serious problems up to losing a medical license because the "doctor/patient relationship" no longer exists - is a crime against humanity.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 04, 2022 11:22 AM (DU+/6)

17 He's got Buddy Hackett eyes....

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Lawful Good is Not Lawful Perfect at January 04, 2022 11:22 AM (V6f9+)

18 The clot shot doesn't stop transmission of COVID. At all.

American public health policy is based on the notion that the clot shot almost complete stops transmission.

But, Fauci and co can't change what they are saying and doing, because then people will ask why they were badgered into getting the clot shot based on a lie.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 04, 2022 11:22 AM (ESjRY)

19 "Public Health Policy" is Oxymoronic.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 04, 2022 11:23 AM (w9H27)

20 He's got Buddy Hackett eyes....
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Lawful Good is Not Lawful Perfect at January 04, 2022 11:22 AM (V6f9+)

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Heh

Posted by: Marty Feldman at January 04, 2022 11:23 AM (flINI)

21 Amanda Hugenkiss & Tiger Stripe. Journey to the Center of your Heart, 1994.

Posted by: Homer's Donuts at January 04, 2022 11:23 AM (BCSAN)

22 Increase the availability and use of testing. Quit pretending that only the unvaccinated need to be tested. Anyone who is symptomatic should be tested, and it should be easy for people to do so.
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This strikes me as perhaps internally contradictory. Testing *only* the symptomatic - regardless of vax status - would be a good thing. It would also result in a marked reduction of testing overall.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 04, 2022 11:23 AM (DU+/6)

23 Old and busted: You know a doctor will cut off your foot to make some bucks.

New Hotness: If you don't trust the CEO of Pfizer to put your interests above his own personal financial gain, you sir are a science hating NAZI.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 04, 2022 11:24 AM (ESjRY)

24 Will we ever get a rational ~~public health~~ policy?
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No.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 04, 2022 11:24 AM (DU+/6)

25 22 Increase the availability and use of testing. Quit pretending that only the unvaccinated need to be tested. Anyone who is symptomatic should be tested, and it should be easy for people to do so.
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This strikes me as perhaps internally contradictory. Testing *only* the symptomatic - regardless of vax status - would be a good thing. It would also result in a marked reduction of testing overall.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 04, 2022 11:23 AM (DU+/6)

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Yeah, we need to limit testing. Treat testing of covid like a controlled substance, or something, for the next 12 months, and it needs to happen through a doctor's office.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 04, 2022 11:24 AM (LvTSG)

26 "A rational public health policy" would be to eliminate the phrase "public health" from any government's list of responsibilities or powers. They ALWAYS abuse it.

Posted by: Francis W. Porretto at January 04, 2022 11:25 AM (z/nZY)

27 Nope, you guys are right. FFL's will have to sell gun safes or locks.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 04, 2022 11:25 AM (Y5qcH)

28 Remember when plane/COVID girl mentioned she took 7 COVID tests before getting on the plane?

We need to start *limiting* test availability unless we can guarantee they are 100% accurate (which they aren't).

In my blue state shit hole they limit how much cold medicine you can buy (seriously!), they should limit covid tests to to no more then 1/person/week.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 04, 2022 11:26 AM (ESjRY)

29 As always, follow the money. There is a multi billion dollar Covid industry. The obvious is vaccines. But there is a lot more than that. Mask manufacturers and all the other bullshit like plexiglass for cashiers. May not seem like a lot but think of every retailer out there that bought those things. Then you have hospitals making BANK by treating Covid patients. You have traveling nurses making $150/hr going from "hot spot" to "hot spot". You think they ever want to see this thing end?

And on and on. This thing has become like one of those charities that still exists 50 years after the disease it was created to fight was eradicated. Too much money to close up shop.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 04, 2022 11:26 AM (OalnH)

30 Pre-surgery Jack Nicholson in "The Last Detail".

Posted by: klaftern at January 04, 2022 11:26 AM (taPSh)

31 Geez Dave, really?

Posted by: Jewells45 deplorablethug#FJB at January 04, 2022 11:27 AM (nxdel)

32 Great commentary, Dave in Florida! Given the data you've laid out, one automatically must question the motives of all "public health" officials. Are they so unaware as to be ignorant of the data you summarized? I think not.... all this coercion on vaccines and prohibition of therapeutics must then be malevolence. They're evil. The whole covid sham (the only thing real is the virus) has been the biggest wake-up call of my 29+ years. Trump + covid = wakeup call/blinders off. Six years ago I would've never dreamed how much corruption and rot is in now in ALL our institutions.

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at January 04, 2022 11:28 AM (pcsoT)

33 Also, did everyone else catch Fauci having a freakout when a FNM talking head asked him about Covaxin? That's one of the one that actually uses a COVID virion.

Fauci argued that we don't need it because we have Pfizer.

And then after realizing he sounded like an idiot claimed that the company making Covaxin hadn't applied in the US, which it turns out...is a lie.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 04, 2022 11:28 AM (ESjRY)

34 27 Nope, you guys are right. FFL's will have to sell gun safes or locks.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 04, 2022 11:25 AM (Y5qcH)
Most new purchases these days come with locks and firearm saftey propaganda.

Posted by: Eromero at January 04, 2022 11:28 AM (0OP+5)

35 Ethel Merman and Buddy Hackett, It's A Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 04, 2022 11:29 AM (2JVJo)

36 Nope, you guys are right. FFL's will have to sell gun safes or locks.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 04, 2022 11:25 AM (Y5qcH)

After all, it is only a modest incremental step toward moar gun safety which ~~everyone~~ all right thinking people support!

Posted by: GOPe Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Lie back and think of the sweet graft! ~ at January 04, 2022 11:29 AM (hOUT3)

37 I've heard that the vaccine doesn't really stop you from catching it, but does (mostly) keep you out of the hospital, anyone hear otherwise?

Of course it could just be that the current wave is just not that bad, so no matter what you weren't going to be hospitalized...Or that we all mostly have natural immunity anyway by now...

but take that vaccine (/sarcasm)

Posted by: Brad at January 04, 2022 11:29 AM (hRGgF)

38 ... one automatically must question the motives of all "public health" officials. ... Trump + covid = wakeup call/blinders off. Six years ago I would've never dreamed how much corruption and rot is in now in ALL our institutions.
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at January 04, 2022 11:28 AM (pcsoT)
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Think bigger. If the operator is institutional at all - government, academic, corporate, NGO, etc. - and they want *you* to do something (and especially if they want to use the power of the state to compel you to do something), do not merely question their motives. Instead, assume that their motives are sinister unless proven otherwise.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 04, 2022 11:30 AM (DU+/6)

39 as I said the other day, we must be regularly reminded that Fauci is "the nation's leading expert on infectious diseases" so that no matter how many times he changes his mind about something, he's the leading expert and therefor still knows better than anyone else.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at January 04, 2022 11:30 AM (Ynyl9)

40 Of course having Fauci set national COVID policy is a bit like having Adolf Eichmann in charge of finding NAZIs war criminals.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 04, 2022 11:30 AM (ESjRY)

41 29. Agree. The government is buying the test kits from Abbott and others. The entire thing is a cash machine for these companies with a likely promise of financial support to the politicians who deem their use and vote in the payments. Why else would Fauci now start up with requiring tests to fly domestically?

Posted by: Jen the original at January 04, 2022 11:30 AM (EST9B)

42 waking up to Buddy Hackett is like waking up with a brain tumor

Posted by: sven at January 04, 2022 11:30 AM (Lzpvj)

43 Posted by: Diogenes at January 04, 2022 11:20 AM (axyOa)

Covid policies have never been about health.

Posted by: Losing Patience at January 04, 2022 11:31 AM (ecMxZ)

44 Philip Bump is furiously spinning in the Washington Post.

You see, there are two kinds of Covid - the old Bad Covid, which completely justified all the lockdowns and everything that the blue states did; and the new Good Covid, which doesn't justify lockdowns, and can be handled like influenza.

This is a desperate attempt to claim that The Blue States Did Nothing Wrong In The Pandemic, while still providing an excuse for the blue states to now back off on all those restrictions.

We'll see how that goes - to the horror of the Democratic Party, a large chunk of their base now finds a lot of their sense of self-worth tied up in Covid panic. The D's are learning that it is a lot easier to start the panic than to turn it off.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 04, 2022 11:31 AM (I2/tG)

45 Old and busted: You know a doctor will cut off your foot to make some bucks.

New Hotness: If you don't trust the CEO of Pfizer to put your interests above his own personal financial gain, you sir are a science hating NAZI.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 04, 2022 11:24 AM

Wasn't part of the argument Obama made for Obamacare that some doctor amputated a leg or arm when someone was just in to get their tonsils out or something?

2nd look at Obama's demonizing of America's "healthcare" industry as rationale for passing Obamacare?

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at January 04, 2022 11:31 AM (Do5/p)

46 37 I've heard that the vaccine doesn't really stop you from catching it, but does (mostly) keep you out of the hospital, anyone hear otherwise?
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ABSOLUTELY WRONG!! Vaccines are 100% effective, 100% safe and will also make you lose 15 lbs right before swimsuit season!!
- Pfizer CEO

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 04, 2022 11:31 AM (OalnH)

47 The therapeutics from Merck and Pfizer have not been well tested for efficacy and safety. The Merck product, Molnupiravir , is thought by some to actually be toxic.

Pfizer's product, PAXLOVID is supposed to be a protease inhibitor (and also contains an HIV/AIDS antiviral), which is basically the same thing that Ivermectin does, which has had literally billions of doses administered over decades with little toxic effect.

Neither of these new therapeutics have long term clinical studies, and just like the vaccines, nobody really knows any long term side effects.

We're the government, trust us.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at January 04, 2022 11:31 AM (vcOmj)

48 Ethel Merman? And Buddy Hackett, for which I'm not thankful.

Posted by: Lady in Black at January 04, 2022 11:31 AM (sVtYq)

49 Ethel Merman and Buddy Hackett, It's A Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 04, 2022 11:29 AM (2JVJo)

Love that movie. "Except you, lady. May you just DROP DEAD."

Posted by: Jordan61 at January 04, 2022 11:32 AM (Ez6QX)

50 After all, it is only a modest incremental step toward moar gun safety which everyone all right thinking people support!
Posted by: GOPe Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Lie back and think of the sweet graft! ~ at January 04, 2022 11:29 AM (hOUT3)

"I think all right-thinking people in this country are sick and tired of being told that ordinary, decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired.
I'm certainly not! And I'm sick and tired of being told that I am."

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at January 04, 2022 11:32 AM (dfRN6)

51 as I said the other day, we must be regularly reminded that Fauci is "the nation's leading expert on infectious diseases" so that no matter how many times he changes his mind about something, he's the leading expert and therefor still knows better than anyone else.
Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at January 04, 2022 11:30 AM (Ynyl9)
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That isn't necessarily a problem. If he follows the data and learns new things that result in different conclusions, then fine. That's essentially what DeSantis has done. When you learn more, you might change your mind and behave differently.

It isn't his position changes that are the problem as such, it's that he has been lying since day 0 of this and arbitrarily ruling as a dictator for fun and profit, with a titanic human cost as a result. That isn't merely being wrong or changing his mind or positions, it's volitional evil.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 04, 2022 11:32 AM (DU+/6)

52 Can't believe the first guess on the lady was wrong. She is about the first guess everyone makes as a joke.

And yes there is a movie connection.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at January 04, 2022 11:32 AM (UAUsU)

53 43 Posted by: Diogenes at January 04, 2022 11:20 AM (axyOa)

Covid policies have never been about health.

Posted by: Losing Patience at January 04, 2022 11:31 AM (ecMxZ)
What that guy said.

Posted by: Eromero at January 04, 2022 11:32 AM (0OP+5)

54 Next step: For every gun you sell, you must sell 2 safes. For the children, you see.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 04, 2022 11:33 AM (OalnH)

55 Will we ever get a rational public health policy?

Silly question Dave. The insane imbeciles are running shit. So insane and stupid are the method of operation. You expect sanity from the insane? Intelligence from the stupid. Blood from a stone?

Posted by: Xipe Totec at January 04, 2022 11:33 AM (o2MD2)

56 I've heard that the vaccine doesn't really stop you from catching it, but does (mostly) keep you out of the hospital, anyone hear otherwise?

Pfizer claims some ridiculous efficiency rate for both transmission and hospitalization/death.

The real world data says the former is a lie (they almost certainly faked the original data they submitted to the government), but there probably is something on the hospitalization/death side based on the data the government is releasing.

The problem though is we know the data the government is releasing is intentional fraudulent as well.

The study that found that 86% of the people listed as deaths on VAERS were in fact dead from the jab also found most of those deaths falsely listed as due to COVID.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 04, 2022 11:33 AM (ESjRY)

57 Most new purchases these days come with locks and firearm saftey propaganda

Yeah, I actually thought that was required. Some shops have a box of those flimsy cable locks on the counter for anyone who wants one. The box always seems to be full.

Posted by: Oddbob at January 04, 2022 11:33 AM (nfrXX)

58 44 This is a desperate attempt to claim that The Blue States Did Nothing Wrong In The Pandemic, while still providing an excuse for the blue states to now back off on all those restrictions.

We'll see how that goes - to the horror of the Democratic Party, a large chunk of their base now finds a lot of their sense of self-worth tied up in Covid panic. The D's are learning that it is a lot easier to start the panic than to turn it off.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 04, 2022 11:31 AM (I2/tG)

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There's a segment of the Democratic base that has become outright pro-Covid. They never want it to end.

These are some of the most dedicated partisans and loudest voices on the left. Declaring victory over covid is going to remain a partisan thing, and when the Democratic nominee for president in 2024 says that the Republican nominee wants grandma to die because the GOP candidate says that covid ended more than two years before, it will be because the DNC took an emotionally fragile base of self-admitted mental patients and broke them psychologically.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 04, 2022 11:33 AM (LvTSG)

59 I know both names Ethel Merman and Buddy Hacket. I have no idea why they are famous though.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 04, 2022 11:33 AM (OalnH)

60 Nope, you guys are right. FFL's will have to sell gun safes or locks.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe

Big deal. The last handgun I purchased came with a gun lock included.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at January 04, 2022 11:34 AM (vcOmj)

61 The whole idea of 'if you get vaccinated covid isn't as bad' is bullshit.

It's a lie.

The proof was that there were unvaxxed people in hospitals than vaccinated.

That's obviously changing...because math.

What's the next thing going to be? My guess is that we're mere months away from calling it the failed Trump vaccine that killed grandma by our elites.

Posted by: MJ at January 04, 2022 11:34 AM (zwDuR)

62 Dave, how much influence and control do Rinos have in the FL legislature, and do you expect any change after this year's election?

Also, are you concerned about the record spending proposal by DeSantis on public education?

Thanks in advance.

Posted by: I guess I'll ask him at January 04, 2022 11:34 AM (Mp2aX)

63 Getting the vax does not keep you from getting Covid. It does, however, make you a government surf.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at January 04, 2022 11:34 AM (o2MD2)

64 And Buddy Hackett, for which I'm not thankful.
Posted by: Lady in Black

He had a pretty good career, for a guy that looked like Buddy Hackett !

Posted by: JT at January 04, 2022 11:34 AM (arJlL)

65 Getting the vax adds an extra wing to the Pfizer CEO Hamptons mansion.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 04, 2022 11:35 AM (OalnH)

66
Wasn't part of the argument Obama made for Obamacare that some doctor amputated a leg or arm when someone was just in to get their tonsils out or something?

He claimed doctors routinely needlessly amputate feet from diabetic patients to make extra money.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 04, 2022 11:35 AM (ESjRY)

67 A Buddy Hackett story, which I have told before: during the negotiations for Cleopatra, when Elizabeth Taylor was demanding one miiiiiiiiiiiiillion dollars for the role, a couple of Hollywood agents were lunching at their club one day when Hackett passed by their table.

"Hey, Buddy," one of the agents said, "we were just talking about Liz Taylor. Would you give her a million bucks for a movie?"

"Nope," the comic replied. "I'd offer ten grand."

"Ten grand?" the agents repeated. "Why?"

"Because then she'd tell me, 'why don't you kiss my ass?' and that's all I want!"

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 04, 2022 11:35 AM (2JVJo)

68 Given the data you've laid out, one automatically must question the motives of all "public health" officials. Are they so unaware as to be ignorant of the data you summarized? I think not.... all this coercion on vaccines and prohibition of therapeutics must then be malevolence. They're evil.
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at January 04, 2022 11:28 AM (pcsoT)

Yes. Despite all their credentials and embellished titles, a near-unanimous cohort of people, when pressed on the questions enough, will simply reply, "we just do what Daddy government tells us to do." If the story's not on their Facebook/Instagram pages, it simply doesn't exist to them. And why bother wasting time searching for real data when you can spend it watching Tiktok videos or ranting to your cow-orkers about how badly they're being treated.

The idea that public health officials are not only not your friend, but will actively suppress any information that makes them appear less than perfect angels is completely unfathomable to 90% of the population. That's the great failure of our education system, which often gives the impression that anything good in our lives came from the government's blessings.

Posted by: Homer's Donuts at January 04, 2022 11:35 AM (BCSAN)

69 38 - Joe Mannix: I agree. I've found it stunning, frankly, how the Brandon junta is stubbornly clinging to their vaccine narrative despite all evidence to the contrary. It's like they're stupid... or they think we're stupid.... or they're evil and powerful and will push for what they want regardless. I think it's the latter and it's scares the hell out of me. Because I used to think that public opinion mattered and the "powers that be" could actually "go too far." I hate to be a pessimist, but the stolen election might've been the rubicon and now they can push just as far as they want despite public opinion.

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at January 04, 2022 11:35 AM (pcsoT)

70 I think I've gone from LG to CG...I'm not complying with any laws that don't make sense to me, except under threat of imminent force.

Or if I really need some Costco supplies.

Hey....it's Chaotic Good.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Lawful Good is Not Lawful Perfect at January 04, 2022 11:36 AM (V6f9+)

71 Didn't Obama also say it cost $50K for an operation when in fact the average cost was something like $7K?

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 04, 2022 11:36 AM (OalnH)

72 Will we ever get a rational public health policy?

I can't do that Dave.

Posted by: HAL 9000 at January 04, 2022 11:36 AM (uXonU)

73 Check out the latest tweet from Sen Johnson https://twitter.com/SenRonJohnson

Posted by: 18-1 at January 04, 2022 11:36 AM (ESjRY)

74 30 Pre-surgery Jack Nicholson in "The Last Detail".

which one?

Posted by: Kulak Anachronda, behind the Newsom curtain at January 04, 2022 11:37 AM (v3pYe)

75 ...This is a desperate attempt to claim that The Blue States Did Nothing Wrong In The Pandemic, while still providing an excuse for the blue states to now back off on all those restrictions.

We'll see how that goes - to the horror of the Democratic Party, a large chunk of their base now finds a lot of their sense of self-worth tied up in Covid panic. The D's are learning that it is a lot easier to start the panic than to turn it off.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 04, 2022 11:31 AM (I2/tG)

The reckoning that is going to come from this will be enormous. I was in a meeting last night with a long-time Dem, who would probably ID as a moderate. They see right through the terrible C-19 messaging, and are completely down on the current narrative. I live in deep blue CT, so if I'm seeing it here, I can only imagine what a C-19 post-mortem is going to look like. The MFM and the DNC, no matter how great they are at acquiring power from the feckless GOPe, can't manage the post-C19 process. It will get ugly.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 04, 2022 11:37 AM (v7GsP)

76 I think the clot shot is sinister. It may not be the mark, but it is a test run of some sort.

I will not take it now. I will not take anything on or in my body that a government entity forces me to. They will just have to kill me.

Posted by: Miss Issippi at January 04, 2022 11:37 AM (sI15f)

77 He's got Buddy Hackett eyes....
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Lawful Good is Not Lawful Perfect at January 04, 2022 11:22 AM

She's got Colonel Sanders thighs.

Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at January 04, 2022 11:37 AM (bVYXr)

78 Forget health. Will we ever get a rational policy on anything?

The answer is...no.

America's problems could be solved in an instant if anyone actually wanted to but there's no money in that.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at January 04, 2022 11:37 AM (KbCG3)

79 Didn't Obama also say it cost $50K for an operation when in fact the average cost was something like $7K?
Posted by: Joe XiDen

Remember, 10% to the big guy. Off the top.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 04, 2022 11:37 AM (uXonU)

80 Johnson's Twatter account to be suspended in 5...4...3...

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 04, 2022 11:37 AM (OalnH)

81 I saw a tweet from some Branch Covidians were a husband took his kids to a sit down restaurant and the wife divorced him for it and all the krones cackled in glee together.

Twitter is a f*cked up place.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 04, 2022 11:38 AM (ESjRY)

82 My guess is that we're mere months away from calling it the failed Trump vaccine that killed grandma by our elites.
Posted by: MJ at January 04, 2022 11:34 AM (zwDuR)

I have been predicting this for a long time. Here's what will happen:
1. Trump pushed an unknown vaccine!
2. Poor Dr Fauci was bullied by Trump!
3. Masks and lockdowns don't work!
4. We never wanted mandates, lockdowns or passports!

And over 70% of this idiot country will spin on a dime and blame the deaths on Trump and the vaxxed.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 04, 2022 11:38 AM (2JVJo)

83 She's got Colonel Sanders thighs.
Posted by: Mister Scot

The Hillary Special - Two fat thighs, two small breasts & a left wing.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 04, 2022 11:38 AM (uXonU)

84

who dis'

Phyliss Diller and Soupy Sales!

~sob-sob~

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at January 04, 2022 11:39 AM (K2SnJ)

85 80 Johnson's Twatter account to be suspended in 5...4...3...
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 04, 2022 11:37 AM (OalnH)

Actually it's pretty close to what MTG put up about vaccine deaths

Posted by: It's me donna at January 04, 2022 11:39 AM (TdaKq)

86 81 I saw a tweet from some Branch Covidians were a husband took his kids to a sit down restaurant and the wife divorced him for it and all the krones cackled in glee together.

___

He's better off than living with such a shrew. Even if it's in a 1 bedroom apartment.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 04, 2022 11:39 AM (OalnH)

87 The Powers That Be take on a huge risk if they recommend therapeutics - it indicates not just awareness of what Deplorables are monkeying about with, but actual agreement with said monkeying.

That simply will not do. It may mean a few hundred thousand needles deaths, but each little cog in The Machine can safely rationalize that THEY weren't responsible - they were just respecting The Experts. Better that than being cast into The Darkness.

Posted by: 2009Refugee at January 04, 2022 11:39 AM (kWJn6)

88 New Hotness: If you don't trust the CEO of Pfizer to put your interests above his own personal financial gain, you sir are a science hating NAZI.
Posted by: 18-1 at January 04, 2022 11:24 AM (ESjRY)

Le science cest moi!

Posted by: King Anthony Fauci at January 04, 2022 11:39 AM (AiZBA)

89 Nice rant Dave

Posted by: Skip's Phone at January 04, 2022 11:39 AM (xWJTz)

90 The entire covid panic is one big test run.
Bigger and more efficient ops are in the making.
Why do I think this? Because they got away with it.
No one has been held accountable for anything.
Not the smallest thing.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at January 04, 2022 11:40 AM (jTmQV)

91 If you have been vaccinated or have had covid and you get mild symptoms and subsequently test positive and then get better the next day, this is actually good for you and society. See, you have antibodies that defeated your current exposure to covid quickly and at the same time caused your immune system to produce more antibodies. Kind of like recharging your immune system batteries.

But what we are doing is over testing and panicking. If you tested everyone monthly for a cold you have tons of positive tests and very few people reporting symptoms because they are immune to many strains already.

We have been really dumb about covid from the get go.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at January 04, 2022 11:40 AM (l2HJu)

92 He's got Buddy Hackett eyes....
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Lawful Good is Not Lawful Perfect at January 04, 2022 11:22 AM

She's got Colonel Sanders thighs.
Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at January 04, 2022 11:37 AM (bVYXr)

They'll tease you, they'll unease you...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Lawful Good is Not Lawful Perfect at January 04, 2022 11:40 AM (V6f9+)

93 There's a segment of the Democratic base that has become outright pro-Covid. They never want it to end.

Covid has provided a lot of benefits for a lot of people - being able to work from home for the Laptop Class, extra unemployment payments for people who don't want to work, rent suspended, student loan payments indefinitely suspended, etc. But all these are dwarfed by the knowledge that you are one of the Good People, as opposed to the icky Trumpian Bad People.

The way you demonstrate that you are Good Person now is by compulsively testing yourself for Covid.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 04, 2022 11:40 AM (I2/tG)

94 I've posted this quote a few times, but I think it is important to note this is basically how the left viewed itself 20 years ago (the quote is from a video game and the character saying it is a liberal left "good government" type")

As the Americans learned so painfully in Earth's final century, free flow of information is the only safeguard against tyranny. The once-chained people whose leaders at last lose their grip on information flow will soon burst with freedom and vitality, but the free nation gradually constricting its grip on public discourse has begun its rapid slide into despotism. Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 04, 2022 11:41 AM (ESjRY)

95 Check out the latest tweet from Sen Johnson https://twitter.com/SenRonJohnson
Posted by: 18-1

Well, that could get him banned!! No truth on Twitter.

Which reminds me,looking at it, of Remdisivir. Another faulty and toxic "Therapeutic" touted by our government, and mandated as part of any treatment in a hosptital for Covid 19. I got three doses last year, when I was sick in the hospital with Covid and pneumonia. Luckily, I was only in the hospital for three days, and got out before they could pump more of that SHIT into me.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at January 04, 2022 11:41 AM (vcOmj)

96 I saw a tweet from some Branch Covidians were a husband took his kids to a sit down restaurant and the wife divorced him for it and all the krones cackled in glee together.

___

He's better off than living with such a shrew. Even if it's in a 1 bedroom apartment.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 04, 2022 11:39 AM (OalnH)

On a corner of a rooftop.

Posted by: Proverbs at January 04, 2022 11:41 AM (4I/2K)

97 The fact that this data is readily available to any data researcher, and that this information is never reported by health officials, or the media, is a clear indication the public health is not what is driving policy.

There are two possibilities here:

First, Bill Gates and the WEF boys have stated, publicly, that they wish to use vaccines to decrease the human population. You may believe that the covid shot is not part of this paradigm but it is something which needs to be considered.

Second, everything is about creating, and maintaining, a state of fear so that the majority of the populace will be receptive to the idea of the elites doing things to save us.

Note the farcical hullabaloo over whether Betty White got boosted or not prior to her death. Intellectually, people know that they're not immortal - emotionally, they don't.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic, member - Ashli Babbitt Society at January 04, 2022 11:41 AM (IUd0M)

98 Kurt, eat a bag of rat dicks you fucking drooling imbecile. You fucking waste of tissue. You are worth more as a bag of compost than as a living being.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at January 04, 2022 11:41 AM (o2MD2)

99 He claimed doctors routinely needlessly amputate feet from diabetic patients to make extra money.
Posted by: 18-1 at January 04, 2022 11:35 AM (ESjRY)

Someone in my book group had his foot amputated from diabetes because he didn't change his diet one fucking bit after being warned about it. For the Bathhouse Rat to use cases like his to advance his dogshit is probably connected to Big Medicine botching everything about Covid.

Posted by: Captain Hate won't forget Michael Byrd Murdered Ashli Babbitt at January 04, 2022 11:41 AM (y7DUB)

100 Pfizer claims some ridiculous efficiency rate for both transmission and hospitalization/death.

The real world data says the former is a lie (they almost certainly faked the original data they submitted to the government), but there probably is something on the hospitalization/death side based on the data the government is releasing. The problem though is we know the data the government is releasing is intentional fraudulent as well.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 04, 2022 11:33 AM

You know how they can get away with saying that the hospitalization/death rate is improved by the "vaccines"? Simply start reporting hospitalization and death rates correctly.

So they drum up fear by ridiculously overexaggerating (lying about) the hospitalization and death rates, then when the "vaccines" come out, change the method of classification for a hospitalization and death. Instead of calling "death for any reason within 30 days of COVID+ test result" a "COVID death", actually report only deaths with COVID as a COVID death.

And voila! It looks like the rates are going down. It's all bullshit. Has been from the beginning.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at January 04, 2022 11:41 AM (Do5/p)

101 Before we clean up Kurt's droppings, are you talking unvaccinated as "never took any of the shots, ever" or are you talking unvaccinated as "somebody who took two shots, but is refusing the boosters and well as they don't support every vaxx mandate that government officials push on you."

Because, yes, they're changing the definitions, yet again, to massage the data toward their focus-tested, pre-approved talking points.

Posted by: Homer's Donuts at January 04, 2022 11:42 AM (BCSAN)

102 See you guys this summer!!

Posted by: The Omega Virus at January 04, 2022 11:42 AM (5t/kK)

103 After hearing Dr Malone Fake Vax in kids is frightening

Posted by: Skip's Phone at January 04, 2022 11:42 AM (xWJTz)

104 Buddy Hackett had several appearances on the Johnny Carson show which were hilarious.

Posted by: Napoleon XIV at January 04, 2022 11:42 AM (AiZBA)

105 That's Ron Perelman, Bette Davis, and Buddy Hackett.

What do i win?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 04, 2022 11:43 AM (6FeV1)

106 thanks Dave. great post, but i'm going to quibble with your point 6. testing should ONLY be fore those exhibiting symptoms. if we made a flu test mandatory for daily life prior to 2020, you'd have seen millions of cases more than were ever actually recorded. other than that, absolutely spot on.

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at January 04, 2022 11:43 AM (8D42x)

107 The science says the only actual way to use the clot shots would be to intentionally infect someone with COVID a few weeks after their second jab.

The protection from the clot shot is ephemeral, so if it really does reduce the severity of COVID for some period of time you should use that to get permanent resistance.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 04, 2022 11:44 AM (ESjRY)

108 Man....that monkey has a sunburn...
---------
Should see its ass...

Posted by: dartist at January 04, 2022 11:44 AM (+ya+t)

109 Heh. 'ettes have gotta be pissed.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 04, 2022 11:19 AM (axyOa)

why for? i thought women love a man who can make them laugh...

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at January 04, 2022 11:44 AM (8D42x)

110 I wasn't a fan of Buddy Hackett the comedian, but I was recently surprised to see him in a couple of dramatic roles on the old "Rifleman" tv series, and he wasn't half bad.

Posted by: Paco at January 04, 2022 11:44 AM (njExo)

111 That simply will not do. It may mean a few hundred thousand needles deaths, but each little cog in The Machine can safely rationalize that THEY weren't responsible - they were just respecting The Experts. Better that than being cast into The Darkness.
Posted by: 2009Refugee at January 04, 2022 11:39 AM (kWJn6)
++++
And that attitude gets you the debacle of Flint's water system dumping lead into the supply. The acidity was within spec according to health standards. The pipes were old enough according to health standards. All the regulations were followed, but nobody stopped to actually think.

Rote, cargo-cult policy is a disastrous approach to any problem.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 04, 2022 11:45 AM (DU+/6)

112 Great commentary, Dave in Florida! Given the data you've laid out, one automatically must question the motives of all "public health" officials. Are they so unaware as to be ignorant of the data you summarized? I think not...
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at January 04, 2022 11:28 AM (pcsoT)

I would argue that many of them ARE likely ignorant. Our "leaders" have become a group who will not permit themselves to have a thought not formulated on, and approved by, Twitter/Facebook.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic, member - Ashli Babbitt Society at January 04, 2022 11:45 AM (IUd0M)

113 Increase the availability and use of testing

******

I strongly disagree on this one Dave. Ask yourself what action will be taken if a test is positive. Asymptomatic people simply do not need to be tested. Contact tracing has been a failure from the get-go. I say it's better to limit testing and make it a clinical decision, not an administrative one.

P.S. There's a reason I don't comment on polling threads.

Posted by: Muldoon at January 04, 2022 11:45 AM (m45I2)

114 Buddy Hackett would cause heart attack, severe headaches, and uncontrollable diarrhea amongst the severely woke crowd. After seeing his routine, they would demand his death by stoning, because they're tolerant and shit.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at January 04, 2022 11:45 AM (lz5hY)

115 Fun fact: Buddy Hackett once appeared in a Broadway musical in 1964, I Had A Ball, as a grifting fortune teller. It only ran 199 performances, mainly because the untrained Hackett became bored with the show and began doing a stand-up routine at his first entrance, then afterwards telling the audience, "Now I gotta go 'n act."

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 04, 2022 11:45 AM (2JVJo)

116 90 The entire covid panic is one big test run.
Bigger and more efficient ops are in the making.
Why do I think this? Because they got away with it.
No one has been held accountable for anything.
Not the smallest thing.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at January 04, 2022 11:40 AM (jTmQV)
Yeah, just imagie what they may do before the 22 elections. If they take place. Nobody to stop them.

Posted by: Eromero at January 04, 2022 11:45 AM (0OP+5)

117 Which MPPP got, of course

Posted by: Dave in Fla at January 04, 2022 11:45 AM (+sZ2L)

118 I'm a big Trump fan, and, even with his missteps as GEPOTUS, consider him the best president in my lifetime - and I include RWR in my assessment.

That said, simply from is governance of FL during COVID, DeSantis deserves to be POTUS one day. The best way to assess a political leader is how they handle a black swan event, when nobody really knows the best way to handle it. HeavyD was pretty much pitch-perfect in his response to the crisis, and unstinting in defending himself in the midst of huge pushback from our society's commanding heights.

From seeing that Trump tried his best to keep the promises he made, knowing the personal and financial sacrifice it's costing him, I would vote for him first. No other GOP figure comes close to earning my second vote than DeSantis.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 04, 2022 11:46 AM (v7GsP)

119 Nice rant Dave
Posted by: Skip's Phone

We don't hafta worry about getting malaria today !

Posted by: JT at January 04, 2022 11:46 AM (arJlL)

120 testing should ONLY be fore those exhibiting symptoms.

----------------

The only reason to test is if you are going to promote or have therapeutics. If not, then why test at all?

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at January 04, 2022 11:46 AM (sX1BW)

121 Instead, assume that their motives are sinister unless proven otherwise.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 04, 2022 11:30 AM (DU+/6)

And, if proven otherwise, assume there's data you haven't seen yet.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic, member - Ashli Babbitt Society at January 04, 2022 11:47 AM (IUd0M)

122 Are they both Buddy Hackett?

Posted by: red speck at January 04, 2022 11:47 AM (gS3OW)

123 I calculated the deaths/100000 for 65+ in NY, CA and FL as of 10/13. That was from fresh data at the time.

Sources were www.census.gov and data.CDC.gov

% of population 65+ NY 17%, CA 15% and FL 21% from the 2020 census data.

COVID Death rates/100000 65+ population
NY 1309 CA 888 FL 902
NY is horribly skewed by Gov Granny killer's misrule and it wouldn't be surprising if more deaths are still being hidden.

The CA and FL rate differences are probably statistically insignificant. When I have a chance I'll update the numbers with more breakdown - 65+, 75+ and 85+. I suspect our codger cohort skews older than CA's does. That matters - a lot. As an FYI you'd need to recruit more than 2 million more codgers to live in CA to get approx the same % 65+ as FL. And Gov Hairdoo is as authoritarian as they come. Thanks, I'll take my chances with not hiding under my bed.

I voted for DeSantis and will again later this year. The MSM hates him and that's all the recommendation I need. I can't remember the last time I wore a face mask.

Posted by: chuckR at January 04, 2022 11:47 AM (bRvKP)

124 The science says the only actual way to use the clot shots would be to intentionally infect someone with COVID a few weeks after their second jab.

The protection from the clot shot is ephemeral, so if it really does reduce the severity of COVID for some period of time you should use that to get permanent resistance.
Posted by: 18-1 at January 04, 2022 11:44 AM (ESjRY)

The whole "reduce the severity and death risk" phrase is unprovable since few, if any, test regimes used control groups. It's a return to the O'Panload "jobs saved or created" bullshit.

Posted by: Napoleon XIV at January 04, 2022 11:47 AM (AiZBA)

125 Why stop at covid? From here on out, we should mandate weekly testing for every communicable disease known. Just to be safe.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 04, 2022 11:47 AM (6FeV1)

126 Muldoon - I agree with you, that was poorly stated. I meant testing for symptomatic people. If you are asymptomatic, it is pointless, IMO

Posted by: Dave in Fla at January 04, 2022 11:48 AM (+sZ2L)

127 125 Why stop at covid? From here on out, we should mandate weekly testing for every communicable disease known. Just to be safe.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 04, 2022 11:47 AM (6FeV1)

Don't give them any ideas

Posted by: It's me donna at January 04, 2022 11:48 AM (TdaKq)

128 Althouse is running a poll on DeSantis v Trump.

Her audience is right of center, though less so then say here.

Right now is 70 DeSantis vs 10 Trump, with the rest suggesting they'll wait until they see them at some debates.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 04, 2022 11:48 AM (ESjRY)

129 And since this topic has long since degenerated into debating how many COVID particles can dance on the head of a hypodermic needle I am going to opt out. Catch y'all down the road a ways.

Posted by: Muldoon at January 04, 2022 11:48 AM (m45I2)

130 Lieutenant Hurwitz and Buddy Hackett?

Posted by: Chuck C at January 04, 2022 11:49 AM (EughT)

131 Can someone post a link to the study por favor?

Posted by: Guzalot at January 04, 2022 11:49 AM (c1V25)

132 129 And since this topic has long since degenerated into debating how many COVID particles can dance on the head of a hypodermic needle I am going to opt out. Catch y'all down the road a ways.
Posted by: Muldoon at January 04, 2022 11:48 AM (m45I2)

=========

5.

It's 5.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 04, 2022 11:49 AM (LvTSG)

133 That said, simply from is governance of FL during COVID, DeSantis deserves to be POTUS one day. The best way to assess a political leader is how they handle a black swan event, when nobody really knows the best way to handle it. HeavyD was pretty much pitch-perfect in his response to the crisis, and unstinting in defending himself in the midst of huge pushback from our society's commanding heights.

-----------------

He has absolutely earned the right to stake his case for why he should get the nomination. And I'm a big fan of striking when the iron is hot. This may be his only real opportunity. If he wants to make his case and duke it out with Trump, fine with me. May the best man win. If he wants to stay in FL and continue to be the leader of the free states, I'll take that too.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at January 04, 2022 11:49 AM (sX1BW)

134 128 Althouse is running a poll on DeSantis v Trump.

Her audience is right of center, though less so then say here.

I think they are leftish

Posted by: It's me donna at January 04, 2022 11:49 AM (TdaKq)

135 Why stop at covid? From here on out, we should mandate weekly testing for every communicable disease known. Just to be safe.

CA recently decriminalized knowingly giving some AIDS so...not sure they want to go down this path.

Governor 18-1 would have respond to vax passports with an AIDS testing passport at gay clubs just to make the SC say I can't do that and make it harder for the courts to ok covid vax passports

Posted by: 18-1 at January 04, 2022 11:50 AM (ESjRY)

136 Re: sidebar

Get to feeling better, OM.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 04, 2022 11:50 AM (dNqv+)

137 I would argue that many of them ARE likely ignorant. Our "leaders" have become a group who will not permit themselves to have a thought not formulated on, and approved by, Twitter/Facebook.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic, member - Ashli Babbitt Society at January 04, 2022 11:45 AM

This is The Big Short, only for "healthcare" instead of the economy.

Remember the scene in The Big Short where Dr. Michael Burry explains how he knows the housing industry is going to crash. And his superiors mock him.

Martin Blaine: [sarcastically] So Mike Burry of San Jose, a guy who gets his hair cut at SuperCuts, and doesn't wear shoes, knows more than Alan Greenspan and Hank Paulson?
Michael Burry: Dr. Mike Burry. And yes... he does.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at January 04, 2022 11:50 AM (Do5/p)

138 A "bro campaign" where Trump and DeSantis tour together would be interesting.... no rancor, no pot shots, just an honest primary... who do you want between the two of us?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 04, 2022 11:51 AM (6FeV1)

139 I know of a family, the husband and wife are triple vaccinated, their Christmas with family got ruined because they both had covid, with symptoms, first him, then her, starting 2 days before Christmas.
So the whole family partied at their house while they quarantined themselves at another location.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at January 04, 2022 11:51 AM (jTmQV)

140 Althouse is a useful idiot.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 04, 2022 11:51 AM (dNqv+)

141 Chuck Connors puttin' the old moves on Hackett?

Posted by: klaftern at January 04, 2022 11:51 AM (taPSh)

142 3 Heh. 'ettes have gotta be pissed.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 04, 2022 11:19 AM (axyOa

Well, we like a guy who can make us laugh.

Although slapstick never really tickled my funny bone.

And I'm glad Mr. Bassman is better looking than Buddy Hacket.

Posted by: Emmie at January 04, 2022 11:51 AM (t62xj)

143 Goldman Sachs Quant (Deeb): Why? Those bonds only fail if millions of Americans don't pay their mortgages. That's never happened in history. If you'll forgive me, Dr. Burry, it seems like a foolish investment.

Michael Burry: Well, based on prevailing sentiment, the market, the banks and popular culture, yes, it's a foolish investment. But, everyone's wrong.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at January 04, 2022 11:51 AM (Do5/p)

144 I agree with you on the staying home, but it's already causing some tension in the work place. There are, of course, a small number taking advantage of this, and an equally small number of managers who think that EVERYONE is taking advantage of it.

There is a culture shift that needs to take place with a bunch of Cal Ripkens who think they need to drag their sick ass into work every day to keep their streak alive, but that number won't be reduced until managers accept that absenteeism will increase.

Posted by: Wally at January 04, 2022 11:51 AM (FJYfm)

145 There's a big fruhfurah on Twitter about Gettr being essentially a Chinese op. I see some names I trust on the anti-Gettr side, but it's so easy for a new site to be kneecapped the moment it looks like real competition for the big social sites. I don't understand the arguments well enough to tell who is telling the most truth.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 04, 2022 11:52 AM (nC+QA)

146 Buddy was in a lot of funny movies

Posted by: Skip's Phone at January 04, 2022 11:52 AM (3qh68)

147
He's got Buddy Hackett eyes....

Must be an eye cold.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 04, 2022 11:52 AM (63Dwl)

148 Lawrence Fields: And how do you know these bonds are built on subprime crap? Aren't they filled with hundreds of pages of mortgages?

Michael Burry: I read them.

Lawrence Fields: You read them? No one reads them. Only the lawyers who put them together read them.

Michael Burry: I don't think they even know what they made. The whole housing market is propped up on these bad loans. It's a time bomb, and I want to short it.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at January 04, 2022 11:52 AM (Do5/p)

149 Increase the availability and use of testing

Again, why? Given the forecasts, I'm quite likely to pick up Omicron over the next two months. Unless I require medical attention, I'll treat it like any other respiratory illness - stay at home and rest until I get better. What's the point of testing?

Portland Reddit had a comment by a guy who was frantically looking for at-home Covid tests (which are generally unavailable in Portland), because he and his wife were sick, he had a two year old, and he had spent Christmas dinner with elderly grandparents.

The chances that the two year old will be seriously ill are effectively zero, and although it's appropriate to worry about the elderly grandparents, what is testing going to accomplish? They've already been exposed, test or no test.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 04, 2022 11:52 AM (I2/tG)

150 5.

It's 5.

********

Well perhaps if they're twerking. But a more efficient utilization of available space such as you might see with a Boot Scootin' Boogie line dance you might get 16 or 17.

Posted by: Muldoon at January 04, 2022 11:53 AM (m45I2)

151 Here is the Canadian study that got Dr Malone kicked off twitter...

https://tinyurl.com/msany2uy

Posted by: Haywood at January 04, 2022 11:53 AM (A/Gyz)

152 Beauty is in the holder of eyeballed.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at January 04, 2022 11:53 AM (S4e2h)

153 "There's a big fruhfurah on Twitter about Gettr being essentially a Chinese op."

The accusation is that GETTR is financed by Michael Guo, who also financed Steve Bannon's War Room.
Which could be true for all I know.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at January 04, 2022 11:53 AM (jTmQV)

154 but that number won't be reduced until managers accept that absenteeism will increase

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Not all businesses can be run like Big Law where you can practice from home (or your ocean house) anytime you want.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at January 04, 2022 11:54 AM (sX1BW)

155 Buddy was in a lot of funny movies
Posted by: Skip's Phone at January 04, 2022 11:52 AM (3qh6

Like the Herbie The Love Bug movies.

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 04, 2022 11:54 AM (4I/2K)

156 I come bearing great news! The US now has over 1,000,000 new cases of covid in a single day! Let the news be spread far and wide that lock downs, mask mandates, triple boosters and school closures are working.

Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at January 04, 2022 11:54 AM (bVYXr)

157 There's a big fruhfurah on Twitter about Gettr being essentially a Chinese op. I see some names I trust on the anti-Gettr side, but it's so easy for a new site to be kneecapped the moment it looks like real competition for the big social sites. I don't understand the arguments well enough to tell who is telling the most truth.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 04, 2022 11:52 AM

That's where I am as well. I'm seeing people I sortof trust on the pro-GETTR side and I'm seeing people I sortof trust on the anti-GETTR side.

My default is trust no one and never follow the crowd. The crowd seems to be all getting on the GETTR bandwagon simply as an anti-Twitter movement. That's not good enough for me. I won't be getting on the bandwagon until I have more information.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at January 04, 2022 11:54 AM (Do5/p)

158 Will we ever get a rational public health policy?

YOU HAVE MEDDLED IN THE PRIMAL FORCES OF NATURE!!

Posted by: Branch Covidian High Priest at January 04, 2022 11:55 AM (sAmhv)

159 Stated Trump runs I'm voting for him, wouldn't mind seeing DeSantis either as VP or at least picking up the torch after. Trump doesn't run DeSantis would be my pick.

Posted by: Skip's Phone at January 04, 2022 11:55 AM (0Y1Uh)

160 Lady in Black: is your throat any better?

Possibly related story: several years ago, I had an horrific sore throat shortly after being treated for chronic bronchitis. It was so brutal that I dipped into my lidocaine stash acquired due to my tonsillectomy a year prior. Aside from some redness, there was nothing visually wrong with my throat.

I mentioned this to the doc during a follow-up a while later. She told me I should've gotten my ass back there for further treatment as I likely had thrush. That made sense as she had prescribed me both prednisone and antibiotics to knock out the bronchitis (which they quickly did) but either of those *alone* are risk factors.

During the few times I've been prescribed antibiotics since then, I've also taken probiotics as a preventative measure against both thrush and pulling a Joe Biden.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at January 04, 2022 11:55 AM (DTX3h)

161 I was with you on public health policies until I got to number 5.

No way I am going to trust or reward Pfizer in re-packaging a known, effective generic and pricing it astronomically.

Posted by: Joe Mama at January 04, 2022 11:55 AM (WmGrA)

162 150 It's 5.

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Well perhaps if they're twerking. But a more efficient utilization of available space such as you might see with a Boot Scootin' Boogie line dance you might get 16 or 17.
Posted by: Muldoon at January 04, 2022 11:53 AM (m45I2)

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This is anti-scientific clap trap. We all know that COVID is incapable of doing a boot scootin' boogie line at all. The most they can do is a square dance set to Hank Williams music.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 04, 2022 11:56 AM (LvTSG)

163 Can we have a little chat about why we now have dialysis centers everywhere? Because the reason they exist is from the medications they prescribe that destroy the kidneys. And when they prescribe them, knowing they can damage the kidneys, doctors do nothing to follow up on them.

Also, mandating electronic records has given us doctors that spend their time staring at a screen and trying to come up with codes that match the symptoms. Medical software doesn't seem to do useful things, like recommend follow ups for drugs that can cause other problems.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at January 04, 2022 11:57 AM (5HBd1)

164 That monkey needs some vitamin D and some sunshine.

Posted by: Capital Eff at January 04, 2022 11:57 AM (GYllL)

165 He has absolutely earned the right to stake his case for why he should get the nomination. And I'm a big fan of striking when the iron is hot. This may be his only real opportunity. If he wants to make his case and duke it out with Trump, fine with me. May the best man win. If he wants to stay in FL and continue to be the leader of the free states, I'll take that too.
Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at January 04, 2022 11:49 AM (sX1BW)

If DeSantis is going to duke it out with Trump for 2024, I think he should do it from Trump's right flank. Embrace Trumpism, but say that you'll do it better, and finish the job that he started. At worst, he sets himself apart from the GOPe who'll try to repudiate Trumpism, and is set up for a '28 run. At best, he forces Trump to acknowledge his mistakes, and to promise to salt the earth if given a second chance to do so. A win-win, in my opinion.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 04, 2022 11:57 AM (v7GsP)

166 Not all businesses can be run like Big Law where you can practice from home (or your ocean house) anytime you want.
Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at January 04, 2022 11:54 AM (sX1BW)

I'm well aware of that. I work in a business that is essentially assembly line. But you're never going to slow the spread of a virus if you have sick people coming into work. At this point, with a weakening virus, it's not as big of a deal, but the "can't be sick!" attitude undoubtedly cost some lives earlier, when Covid was a more serious problem.

Posted by: Wally at January 04, 2022 11:57 AM (FJYfm)

167 The simple fact is that natural immunity is much more effective than the vaccines, and they pose inherent risk. I personally feel they are a mistake, but there isn't enough data to show the risks outweigh the benefits, yet.
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Except for kids. There is enough data to show that the risk from the vaccines outweighs the risk of covid for kids. Numerous epidemiologists have said this, and yet teachers' unions and governments continue to demand that all kids be vaxxed.

It's insane.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at January 04, 2022 11:58 AM (k4dH2)

168 5.

It's 5.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 04, 2022 11:49 AM

Three shall be the number of the counting and the number of the counting shall be three.

Four shalt thou not count, neither shalt thou count two, excepting that thou then proceedeth to three.

Five is right out.

Posted by: Brother Maynard at January 04, 2022 11:58 AM (a3Q+t)

169 Hey Horde, would appreciate prayers for my mother who is having surgery this afternoon to remove abdominal tumah(s).

(Maybe I should also ask for prayers for my patience in dealing with the woofloo theatrics as I think it's been over a year since I've worn a face diaper)

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at January 04, 2022 11:59 AM (llON8)

170 I'm not in disagreement with your assessment.

My policy is a bit different.

1. If people are sick, have them go to the hospital.

2. When they get to the hospital, have them describe their symptoms to a doctor.

3. If the doctor thinks it's necessary, have them run tests on the patient.

4. Once the tests confirm a disease, have the doctor prescribe medications, therapeutics or treatments.

5. If the problem is severe, admit the patient for more intense treatment.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at January 04, 2022 11:59 AM (OKwFb)

171 My aunt's late husband, Uncle Woody, looked a lot like Buddy Hackett, and even talked like him. It was uncanny. He was a hoot, though.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at January 04, 2022 11:59 AM (xPJvm)

172 Buddy was in a lot of funny movies
Posted by: Skip's Phone at January 04, 2022 11:52 AM (3qh6

And some very "problematic" ones! Like 'Walking My Baby Back Home' where he does an embarrassing Chinese waiter impression, which is followed by Donald O'Connor singing "Hi-Lee, Hi-Lo". If the SJWs ever got hold of THAT, they'd probably demand 'The Little Mermaid' be redubbed and Buddy's name removed from the voice credits.

Posted by: Dr. Mabusette at January 04, 2022 11:59 AM (XfAmJ)

173 We are not going to get a rational health policy because the sole motivation for our health policies is to pimp for Big Pharma. That's not just related to CV19. Our health policies for decades have pushed expensive pharmaceuticals as the silver bullet for all our health problems. Indeed, our entire AIDS policy for decades has been NOT to encourage safer behavior in at-risk communities, but to let the Mineshaft orgies continue and then deal with the inevitable results with expensive AIDS drugs.

Posted by: Elric Blade at January 04, 2022 12:00 PM (iFTx/)

174 We'll see how that goes - to the horror of the Democratic Party, a large chunk of their base now finds a lot of their sense of self-worth tied up in Covid panic. The D's are learning that it is a lot easier to start the panic than to turn it off.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 04, 2022 11:31 AM (I2/tG)

It's only a matter of time until we get...Drumpf LIED to us about the severity of covid to try and destroy the quality of life in blue states! We need to go back to the way things were in order to keep the Nazis from winning.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic, member - Ashli Babbitt Society at January 04, 2022 12:00 PM (IUd0M)

175 I am really disturbed that Regeneron monoclonals don't work against Omicron. Just when we found out that they work better than vaccines against the older variants.

Got Facebook invitations to a clinical trial for a different injectable antibody a few months ago, which was supposed to be resistant to new mutants when used as a prophylactic or early treatment. No news since then. Might not matter now, with Omicron.

Posted by: KT at January 04, 2022 12:00 PM (0ghg2)

176 4.5 million Americans quit their jobs in November, up form October 2021.

Also, the number of job openings is falling.

BOHICA

Posted by: Marcus T at January 04, 2022 12:00 PM (VpIIl)

177 If DeSantis is going to duke it out with Trump for 2024, I think he should do it from Trump's right flank.

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It would be a fascinating race to watch. Not sure how DeSantis positions himself, not sure how Trump attacks DeSantis. Trump only having one term may make a team-up inevitable.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at January 04, 2022 12:00 PM (sX1BW)

178 Posted by: Helena Handbasket at January 04, 2022 11:59 AM (llON

Sending prayers for your mother.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at January 04, 2022 12:01 PM (xPJvm)

179 The issue is the government is controlled by the commienazis whose blindly loyal foot soldiers have, through self inflicted trauma, developed neurosis to full on psychosis centered around COVID. They actually have a serious mental illness that can't accept a "the pandemic is over, now we need to learn to live with it" reality because actually that happened in May at the latest and they are still hyperventilating about every case 8 months later.

Posted by: mikethemoose at January 04, 2022 12:01 PM (T/vhV)

180 Prayers up for OM, and for CBD's complete recovery as well. I know that CBD's out of the hospital, but just want to make sure he's 100%

Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 04, 2022 12:01 PM (v7GsP)

181 >>> 163 Can we have a little chat about why we now have dialysis centers everywhere? Because the reason they exist is from the medications they prescribe that destroy the kidneys. And when they prescribe them, knowing they can damage the kidneys, doctors do nothing to follow up on them.

Also, mandating electronic records has given us doctors that spend their time staring at a screen and trying to come up with codes that match the symptoms. Medical software doesn't seem to do useful things, like recommend follow ups for drugs that can cause other problems.
Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at January 04, 2022 11:57 AM (5HBd1)

Ok - *this* is one of my huge peeves. So many stupid commercials advertising "ask your doctor if you can take drug X to reduce the unpleasant side effect of drug Y!!!". How about find a better treatment instead?

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at January 04, 2022 12:01 PM (llON8)

182 Once a person accepts that the Chicom Coof has been a political op from the beginning, everything that's happened since falls into it's place.

This has never been about disease, medicine, nor science.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at January 04, 2022 12:01 PM (Fs5vw)

183 Except for kids. There is enough data to show that the risk from the vaccines outweighs the risk of covid for kids. Numerous epidemiologists have said this, and yet teachers' unions and governments continue to demand that all kids be vaxxed. It's insane.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at January 04, 2022 11:58 AM

The push for vaccination for kids is to get rid of the liability concern for the vaccine companies. If a vaccine is approved for children, liability is gone. No longer need the EUA for cover. Governments and unions are in on this. And others pushing this -- teachers -- are doing it because they're either stupid, selfish, ignorant or evil.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at January 04, 2022 12:01 PM (Do5/p)

184 140 Althouse is a useful idiot.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 04, 2022 11:51 AM (dNqv+)

I quibble over the 'useful' part.
She's just a Law Professor that Glenn Reynolds likes.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Lawful Good is Not Lawful Perfect at January 04, 2022 12:02 PM (V6f9+)

185 My aunt's late husband, Uncle Woody, looked a lot like Buddy Hackett, and even talked like him.

That's almost exactly a line from SCTV's 'Vic Argeggio, Private Investigator', where John Candy does an uncanny Buddy Hackett impression. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLAvNvt1plc

I still laugh thinking about the way he keeps talking about rhubarb pie.

Posted by: Dr. Mabusette at January 04, 2022 12:02 PM (XfAmJ)

186 Prayers up for OM, and for CBD's complete recovery as well. I know that CBD's out of the hospital, but just want to make sure he's 100%
Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 04, 2022 12:01 PM (v7GsP)

Well after what you did to Betty White, it's only right you should be careful.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 04, 2022 12:02 PM (6FeV1)

187 Hey Horde, would appreciate prayers for my mother who is having surgery this afternoon to remove abdominal tumah(s).

(Maybe I should also ask for prayers for my patience in dealing with the woofloo theatrics as I think it's been over a year since I've worn a face diaper)
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at January 04, 2022 11:59 AM (llON

Prayers up for your mom, and you! She's a lovely lady.

Posted by: Jordan61 at January 04, 2022 12:02 PM (Ez6QX)

188 "Rational" is as gone as buggy whips and whale bone corsets. Not coming back.

Posted by: klaftern at January 04, 2022 12:02 PM (taPSh)

189 Posted by: Helena Handbasket at January 04, 2022 11:59 AM (llON

Prayers for your Mother

Posted by: It's me donna at January 04, 2022 12:02 PM (TdaKq)

190 Trump only having one term may make a team-up inevitable.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at January 04, 2022 12:00 PM (sX1BW)

Or Trump as the elder statesman of a resurgent conservative movement led by DeSantis.

Trump as kingmaker...drawing tens of thousands to rallies and galvanizing support for the young upstart from Florida!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 04, 2022 12:03 PM (Q9lwr)

191 I think that DeSantis needs to do whatever it takes to relegalize both Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine in Florida. Once they're used widespread without all the overdose shit they used as justification to ban HCQ, it'll show the public health bureaucracy as a bunch of nazis and hopefully open the way to fair trials and fair hangings for the bunch of them.

Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain, Cryptid Anarchist at January 04, 2022 12:03 PM (zFS9E)

192 174 It's only a matter of time until we get...Drumpf LIED to us about the severity of covid to try and destroy the quality of life in blue states! We need to go back to the way things were in order to keep the Nazis from winning.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic, member - Ashli Babbitt Society at January 04, 2022 12:00 PM (IUd0M)

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I really don't think Democrats can treat covid like any other political issue at this point. So much of their base are psychologically tied to their covid reactions that it's pretty much a religion that has supplanted a lot of progressivism's tenets (such as they are) as the chiefly important thing in their sense of self-worth.

Remember, Biden declared victory over covid last summer. Do you remember that? Because he did. And yet, his base refused him a political victory he desperately needed to gain political capital to pass BBB. They've always been short-sighted and stupid, but now they're pretty much blind to anything else.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 04, 2022 12:03 PM (LvTSG)

193 Also, mandating electronic records has given us doctors that spend their time staring at a screen and trying to come up with codes that match the symptoms. Medical software doesn't seem to do useful things, like recommend follow ups for drugs that can cause other problems.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at January 04, 2022 11:57 AM

Yep, got a bill for $540 from Tricare once because the Doctor put in the wrong code for me and they wouldn't pay. Took a few weeks to get it straightened out.

Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at January 04, 2022 12:03 PM (bVYXr)

194 I posted some data in the art thread. The kids who die of rona are overweight and/ or have other chronic medical conditions. No healthy kids are dying from coof.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 04, 2022 12:03 PM (bKdTl)

195 ...and they'll wish they hadn't fucked around with rationing the antibodies.

Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain, Cryptid Anarchist at January 04, 2022 12:03 PM (zFS9E)

196 173 We are not going to get a rational health policy because the sole motivation for our health policies is to pimp for Big Pharma. That's not just related to CV19. Our health policies for decades have pushed expensive pharmaceuticals as the silver bullet for all our health problems. Indeed, our entire AIDS policy for decades has been NOT to encourage safer behavior in at-risk communities, but to let the Mineshaft orgies continue and then deal with the inevitable results with expensive AIDS drugs.
Posted by: Elric Blade at January 04, 2022 12:00 PM (iFTx/)

But that's also our fault b/c people always want the "easy pill answer" even when it's not the answer, or worse, will cause even more problems...

Posted by: Nova local at January 04, 2022 12:04 PM (exHjb)

197 140 Althouse is a useful idiot

Oh yeah.

But she is an elitist useful idiot so all is well. I guess she doesn't believe in 'stand by your man' when it comes to backing those (western males and civilization) who keep her feminism cult viable.

Posted by: M2TU at January 04, 2022 12:04 PM (23rwv)

198 So Trump is gonna have a rally on Jan. 6 ? I thought he was just gonna hold a press conference....

Posted by: It's me donna at January 04, 2022 12:04 PM (TdaKq)

199 184 I quibble over the 'useful' part.
She's just a Law Professor that Glenn Reynolds likes.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Lawful Good is Not Lawful Perfect at January 04, 2022 12:02 PM (V6f9+)

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He links her less and less as time goes on.

It used to be at least weekly. I think it's roughly bimonthly now.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 04, 2022 12:04 PM (LvTSG)

200 A Trump + Desantis ticket would be absolutely unstoppable

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 04, 2022 12:04 PM (6FeV1)

201 Prayers up for OM, and for CBD's complete recovery as well. I know that CBD's out of the hospital, but just want to make sure he's 100%

Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 04, 2022 12:01 PM (v7GsP)

Thank you very much. I am well on my way to recovery.

OM definitely needs our support!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 04, 2022 12:04 PM (Q9lwr)

202 188 "Rational" is as gone as buggy whips and whale bone corsets. Not coming back.
Posted by: klaftern at January 04, 2022 12:02 PM (taPSh)

I disagree. Stupidity is a self correcting problem. A most brutal self corrector.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at January 04, 2022 12:04 PM (o2MD2)

203 No healthy kids are dying from coof.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 04, 2022 12:03 PM (bKdTl)

But some have died from the vaccine

Posted by: It's me donna at January 04, 2022 12:05 PM (TdaKq)

204 Or Trump as the elder statesman of a resurgent conservative movement led by DeSantis.

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There could be that too. Does Trump Jr. want to be a future political force? If so, I think it would be benefit him if Trump takes your approach. We've got another couple years to see how it shapes out.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at January 04, 2022 12:05 PM (sX1BW)

205 Is there any better example of someone suffering from Dunning-Kruger than for him to refer to it as Kruger Dunning?

Posted by: Wally at January 04, 2022 12:05 PM (FJYfm)

206
And some very "problematic" ones! Like 'Walking My Baby Back Home' where he does an embarrassing Chinese waiter impression

The only time I've seen that movie is on Columbo.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 04, 2022 12:06 PM (63Dwl)

207 All media is a protection and extortion racket. AOS excepted.

Posted by: Head puddi at January 04, 2022 12:06 PM (xMh1R)

208 Tangentially-related question for anyone in the know about prescription drug ads.

I see a lot of YouTube pre-roll ads that are five seconds (unskippable) for prescription drugs. They have the name of the drug and an encouragement to go "ask my doctor about X" on the screen. Nothing else. Not what it does, not what side effects are. The context of the stock footage behind the title card does nothing to tell me what the drug does. No voiceover. Just a title card with the drug name and manufacturer with some generic B-roll behind it.

What on earth are these for? They can't possibly drive any actual business. I assume it is some weird way of technically complying with regulatory requirements, but I don't know. It makes no damn sense and it's really weird to the point of bordering on surreal.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 04, 2022 12:06 PM (DU+/6)

209 The beady-eyed look on that swellheaded healthcare monkey makes me want to slap him into next week.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at January 04, 2022 12:06 PM (r0ADi)

210 "There's a big fruhfurah on Twitter about Gettr being essentially a Chinese op."

The accusation is that GETTR is financed by Michael Guo, who also financed Steve Bannon's War Room.
Which could be true for all I know.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at January 04, 2022 11:53 AM

I think that may be true about Guo. I also suspect that a lot of the "Gettr is a Chinese op" narrative is driven by leftist assumptions that A: icky ignorant redneck inbred flyover rubes think all Chinese look alike, 2. don't know there's a difference between pro- and anti-communist Chinese, III) therefore think all Chinese are bad, thus (e) Gettr must be bad.

Posted by: Bert G at January 04, 2022 12:07 PM (aCyRI)

211 Hello Dave in FLA

Posted by: vmom - link to Red's fundraiser at January 04, 2022 12:07 PM (lCui1)

212 194 I posted some data in the art thread. The kids who die of rona are overweight and/ or have other chronic medical conditions. No healthy kids are dying from coof.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy
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But formerly healthy kids have died from the vaccines, usually from myocarditis, which is why the epidemiologists say healthy kids should not be getting vaxxed.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at January 04, 2022 12:07 PM (k4dH2)

213 Can we have a little chat about why we now have dialysis centers everywhere? Because the reason they exist is from the medications they prescribe that destroy the kidneys. And when they prescribe them, knowing they can damage the kidneys, doctors do nothing to follow up on them.

Diabeetus and hypertension are hell on kidneys. People don't take it seriously. Until their kidneys are gone. And kidneys are so efficient that by the time you realize something is amiss, it is too late.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 04, 2022 12:07 PM (bKdTl)

214 175 I am really disturbed that Regeneron monoclonals don't work against Omicron. Just when we found out that they work better than vaccines against the older variants.

Got Facebook invitations to a clinical trial for a different injectable antibody a few months ago, which was supposed to be resistant to new mutants when used as a prophylactic or early treatment. No news since then. Might not matter now, with Omicron.
Posted by: KT at January 04, 2022 12:00 PM (0ghg2)

Funny enough, after failing against Delta, remdesivir is actually working well for leukemia patients vs Omicron (you can check the CLLSociety.org for that info)...it was a surprise to see...

Posted by: Nova local at January 04, 2022 12:08 PM (exHjb)

215 Disagree with number 2. Masks do not work and it is unhealthy to wear them all day long.

Other than that, good post

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at January 04, 2022 12:08 PM (ovlEc)

216 196 But that's also our fault b/c people always want the "easy pill answer" even when it's not the answer, or worse, will cause even more problems...
Posted by: Nova local at January 04, 2022 12:04 PM (exHjb)

True but that's mainly because they've been brainwashed into thinking pills are always the easy answer. They are rarely given alternatives. Everyone -- Big Pharma, doctors, drug stores -- are all in on the scam. Follow the money.

Posted by: Elric Blade at January 04, 2022 12:08 PM (iFTx/)

217 >>Will we ever get a rational public health policy?

no.

we live in a risk-averse society ruled by lawyers and bureaucrats. Everything will be 1) out of an abundance of caution, for the 2) greater good, and 3) if you don't comply you are a very bad person and deserve to die

Posted by: DB at January 04, 2022 12:08 PM (geLO8)

218 CBD good to have you back. Did not know you were ailing.

Posted by: Head puddi at January 04, 2022 12:08 PM (xMh1R)

219 Re: sidebar

Get to feeling better, OM.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 04, 2022 11:50 AM (dNqv+)

Seconded!

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 04, 2022 12:08 PM (P3gRi)

220 Like 'Walking My Baby Back Home' where he does an embarrassing Chinese waiter impression

The only time I've seen that movie is on Columbo.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 04, 2022 12:06 PM (63Dwl)

Yes, that's where I first heard of it too. It would have been a far better extra to include on the dvd set than "Mrs. Columbo".

Posted by: Dr. Mabusette at January 04, 2022 12:08 PM (XfAmJ)

221 CBD I'm glad you have escaped the hospital. The food must have been a horrible ordeal.

Will pray for OM & Mrs OM. What is the latest on how they're doing?

Posted by: vmom - link to Red's fundraiser at January 04, 2022 12:08 PM (lCui1)

222 No healthy kids are dying from coof.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 04, 2022 12:03 PM (bKdTl)

I have a physician who is pro-vaccine, but he was adamant about children not requiring vaccines or boosters. He says it is highly irresponsible and makes absolutely no medical sense.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 04, 2022 12:08 PM (Q9lwr)

223 Goddamn but people are stupid

Posted by: George Floyd at January 04, 2022 12:08 PM (5t/kK)

224 209 The beady-eyed look on that swellheaded healthcare monkey makes me want to slap him into next week.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at January 04, 2022 12:06 PM (r0ADi)

You might want to re-think that. Those monkeys carry a bushel basket of whip-ass around with them. I have witnessed this. Like raccoons, looks are deceptive.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at January 04, 2022 12:09 PM (o2MD2)

225 The even funnier thing is that we are going into the third year of the "pandemic" and apparently no major insights about the nature or origins of the virus have truly been studied, gleaned or understood.

It's all a mystery except that you need to inject yourself with "vaccine's" and "boosters" built for the original virus that clearly don't work.

Oh and contrary opinions are not allowed to voiced or disseminated, doing so will instantly make you an unperson.

But there it is.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 04, 2022 12:09 PM (LbGVo)

226 I hope you're feeling better, CBD.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 04, 2022 12:09 PM (DU+/6)

227 Testing should only be done if the results of the tests will be used to determine the treatment given. Right now it's just being used so that people can earn their "I Had Bat Flu" badge.

Posted by: raoul ortega at January 04, 2022 12:09 PM (OafoN)

228 This monkey is wise and has common sense

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2022 12:09 PM (KZzsI)

229 He links her less and less as time goes on.

It used to be at least weekly. I think it's roughly bimonthly now.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 04, 2022 12:04 PM (LvTSG)

She's just so useless. Several times she's gotten ahold of a clue but she's so tribal Democrat, she keeps voting for Biden, Hillary, Obama...at some point you have to just disregard anything that comes out of her.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Lawful Good is Not Lawful Perfect at January 04, 2022 12:09 PM (V6f9+)

230 I have a physician who is pro-vaccine, but he was adamant about children not requiring vaccines or boosters. He says it is highly irresponsible and makes absolutely no medical sense.

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This I don't get. If you are adamant that children should not get them, then why should adults?

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at January 04, 2022 12:09 PM (sX1BW)

231 I'm not just albino, I'm off white albino. With a little Trump Orange.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at January 04, 2022 12:09 PM (S4e2h)

232 Omnicrom is how we get rid of wuflu. All the info out of South Africa shows it's extremely contagious but not deadly. People have a bad cold. It should give some immunity against the other variants, but the other variants are disappearing at a rapid rate.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at January 04, 2022 12:09 PM (5HBd1)

233 I don't doubt that people that are vaccinated are less likely to die from COVID. The question is if the statistics are meaningful.

Let's say the mortality rate among all individuals that ever have a COVID infection is .2%. And let's say if your vaccinated that drops to .03%. The odds of dying are very slim either way.

I mean the odds of dying from vaccine side effects are very slim, and yet of the people that do, a full 100% of them are vaccinated. So you are "infinitely more likely" to die from the vaccine if you take the vaccine. But does that really mean anything?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at January 04, 2022 12:10 PM (OKwFb)

234 Testing should only be done if the results of the tests will be used to determine the treatment given. Right now it's just being used so that people can earn their "I Had Bat Flu" badge.

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Bingo.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at January 04, 2022 12:10 PM (sX1BW)

235 229 She's just so useless. Several times she's gotten ahold of a clue but she's so tribal Democrat, she keeps voting for Biden, Hillary, Obama...at some point you have to just disregard anything that comes out of her.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Lawful Good is Not Lawful Perfect at January 04, 2022 12:09 PM (V6f9+)

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She refused to vote in 2020, apparently.

I did a purge of my RSS feed after the election, and she was first.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 04, 2022 12:10 PM (LvTSG)

236 216 196 But that's also our fault b/c people always want the "easy pill answer" even when it's not the answer, or worse, will cause even more problems...
Posted by: Nova local at January 04, 2022 12:04 PM (exHjb)

True but that's mainly because they've been brainwashed into thinking pills are always the easy answer. They are rarely given alternatives. Everyone -- Big Pharma, doctors, drug stores -- are all in on the scam. Follow the money.
Posted by: Elric Blade at January 04, 2022 12:08 PM (iFTx/)

I blame them, too, but people want the "easy, no work" answer...almost all the time...tell someone to walk 3 miles/day and eliminate processed foods/soda/alcohol or tell them to take insulin...and you're getting the latter choice from 99 out of 100 people (as one example)...

Posted by: Nova local at January 04, 2022 12:10 PM (exHjb)

237 Very good, Dave, just a few quibbles, but they're old, from the dark days when earlier observations like yours were being made here but generated little interest.

"Mitigation" has generally been this mythical concept that prevalent diseases like this can be managed. Never proven, massively and decisively disproven, in practice, in the last 2 years. It's not just these vaccines that have shown little correlation with the course of infections - it's everything else. The entire menu of ineffective incantations - lockdowns, distancing, everything - were from the same list of speculative interventions.

Including masks. Including N95s - which have a thin and weak research claim of small benefit prior to this. I don't think N95s are worth the trouble either. There was a German RCT done with them in the current environment, never bothered to look into it, as I'd already given up on this medieval society.

So, excellent analysis - but the echoes of "but we gotta do SOMETHING!" .... however faint - really need to be silenced too, when there's no basis for them.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 04, 2022 12:10 PM (OTzUX)

238 >>> 208 Tangentially-related question for anyone in the know about prescription drug ads.

I see a lot of YouTube pre-roll ads that are five seconds (unskippable) for prescription drugs. They have the name of the drug and an encouragement to go "ask my doctor about X" on the screen. Nothing else. Not what it does, not what side effects are. The context of the stock footage behind the title card does nothing to tell me what the drug does. No voiceover. Just a title card with the drug name and manufacturer with some generic B-roll behind it.

What on earth are these for? They can't possibly drive any actual business. I assume it is some weird way of technically complying with regulatory requirements, but I don't know. It makes no damn sense and it's really weird to the point of bordering on surreal.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 04, 2022 12:06 PM (DU+/6)

Money laundering?

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at January 04, 2022 12:10 PM (llON8)

239 further-

any 'public health policy' can be translated as 'we've got to protect our phoney-baloney jobs!'

Posted by: DB at January 04, 2022 12:11 PM (geLO8)

240 And Trump did an EO on hospital pricing. Did they just ignore it? It was supposed to allow consumers to get an idea of what they charged for basic services.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at January 04, 2022 12:11 PM (5HBd1)

241 I hope you're feeling better, CBD.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 04, 2022 12:09 PM (DU+/6)

Almost human!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 04, 2022 12:11 PM (Q9lwr)

242 No healthy kids are dying from coof.

As of 12/23, five people under 18 were hospitalized with Covid in Oregon. That doesn't necessarily mean that they were in the hospital because of Covid - it just means that they were infected.

Oregon has four million people.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 04, 2022 12:11 PM (I2/tG)

243 And some very "problematic" ones! Like 'Walking My Baby Back Home' where he does an embarrassing Chinese waiter impression, which is followed by Donald O'Connor singing "Hi-Lee, Hi-Lo". If the SJWs ever got hold of THAT, they'd probably demand 'The Little Mermaid' be redubbed and Buddy's name removed from the voice credits.
Posted by: Dr. Mabusette at January 04, 2022 11:59 AM (XfAmJ)

nothing could be worse than John Wayne as Genghis Khan...

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at January 04, 2022 12:11 PM (8D42x)

244 CAT ASS, can I ask you a doctorish q?

If someone with resistant hypertension has "mildly elevated velocities" in their renal arteries, "less than 60% stenosis" - does that mean that the renal arteries are NOT causing the hypertension?

Posted by: vmom - link to Red's fundraiser at January 04, 2022 12:11 PM (lCui1)

245 Why is Ron Perelman up top? staring at us

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at January 04, 2022 12:11 PM (Vxu+H)

246 It would be a fascinating race to watch. Not sure how DeSantis positions himself, not sure how Trump attacks DeSantis. Trump only having one term may make a team-up inevitable.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at January 04, 2022 12:00 PM

Trump will be a lame duck from day one if he wins. Plus he will be tied up in every single court room in blue States the day he wins the election. I hate to say it but Trump should step aside for desantis.

Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at January 04, 2022 12:11 PM (bVYXr)

247 And others pushing this -- teachers -- are doing it because they're either stupid, selfish, ignorant or evil.
Posted by: Clyde Shelton

Evil. This is satanic based. Only explanation for the entire fucking world losing it's shit.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 04, 2022 12:11 PM (uXonU)

248 This I don't get. If you are adamant that children should not get them, then why should adults?
Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at January 04, 2022 12:09 PM (sX1BW)
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Because risk factors are different. Kids aren't at risk from COVID. Some adults are at fairly high risk, to the point where vax effects are lower risk than the disease. Adults and children are different. They have different risk factors and potential, as do all people. Vaccinating against COVID may or may not make sense for you specifically. That's for you to determine based on your risk factors.

Or it should be. I don't like mandates at all because a mandate cannot, by definition, accommodate anyone making his own risk determination.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 04, 2022 12:11 PM (DU+/6)

249 Trump is vulnerable on that he did not clean out the Swamp. If anything he let the Swamp get the better of him.

Yes, I know it was one man against a million, but the people he personally selected weren't much better.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at January 04, 2022 12:11 PM (Z0jKT)

250 Making fun of white people with exaggerated stereotypical behavior and voice: Endlessly funny and encouraged. White people shrug and even laugh

Making fun of any other ethnic group with exaggerated stereotypical behavior and voice: evil, hateful, possibly legal action taken.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2022 12:12 PM (KZzsI)

251 230 I have a physician who is pro-vaccine, but he was adamant about children not requiring vaccines or boosters. He says it is highly irresponsible and makes absolutely no medical sense.

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This I don't get. If you are adamant that children should not get them, then why should adults?

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at January 04, 2022 12:09 PM (sX1BW)

He probably wants to keep his medical license.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 04, 2022 12:12 PM (v7GsP)

252 I used the protocol for The 'Rona that was published here by another Moron when I got it. 250mg Quercetin x2 per day, D3, C, Zinc and I also took one aspirin and treated symptoms of congestion-Claritin 20mg x1 a day. I had a pulse oximeter, and my sats never dropped below 92%. If I took a deep breath, I felt shorted but that was the worst of it. The doc I have would not give me the Monoclonal AB treatment because I was not compromised. Then, he looked back at my records and thought I was self-pay and wrote the RX so I would not have to pay for another appointment!! I was not going to drive 2 hours to get it when he could have phoned a closer practice to write the RX. My attitude right now, is Eff those negligent basturds who will not give the ivermectin and instead force people to be vented. They rarely come off. I am pandemic fatigued from the lying and the BS and the attempt at mind control and being treated like a second class citizen who has better immunity than the jabbed. That protocol has helped 7 people who got the 'Rona in my world because I gave it to them. I still take this protocol when I travel.

Posted by: DefendUSA at January 04, 2022 12:12 PM (QwnRn)

253 190 Trump only having one term may make a team-up inevitable.
Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at January 04, 2022 12:00 PM (sX1BW)
Or Trump as the elder statesman of a resurgent conservative movement led by DeSantis.
Trump as kingmaker...drawing tens of thousands to rallies and galvanizing support for the young upstart from Florida!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 04, 2022 12:03 PM (Q9lwr)
May it be so. You have mail.

Posted by: Eromero at January 04, 2022 12:12 PM (0OP+5)

254 Thank you Dave. Everything excellent, especially about other therapeutics.
I do have a nit to pick though. Why would you suggest more testing? Yesterday I saw that there were 4-5 hour lines at LaGuardia. People were being tested before their flights, and missing their flights.
It seems to me this whole hysteria is about people worrying about Covid. If you are sick, do not go to work, or think about not going to work. Why does it matter if you have the dreaded Covid, or some other virus?
Every positive test to the government and media is another tick on their hysteria Geiger counter.
If the virus is not that dangerous, why do we care if people have X virus or Y virus?

Posted by: MikeM at January 04, 2022 12:13 PM (Dwe7n)

255 If you are adamant that children should not get them, then why should adults?

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at January 04, 2022 12:09 PM (sX1BW)

Because the disease is different in children and adolescents. Much less dangerous, and much less transmissible. So the risks of the vaccine outweigh the benefits.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 04, 2022 12:13 PM (Q9lwr)

256 I just got hit with OSHA's ETS for employers with 100 or more employees. Need to find my vaccination card and scan it.

Posted by: NaughtyPine at January 04, 2022 12:13 PM (fxCK2)

257 Trump will be a lame duck from day one if he wins. Plus he will be tied up in every single court room in blue States the day he wins the election. I hate to say it but Trump should step aside for desantis.
Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at January 04, 2022 12:11 PM (bVYXr)

I know what you mean, but that argument holds for literally any human being with R after their name, especially DeSantis. Even if a quisling like Romney or Cheney somehow got installed, that same thing would happen.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 04, 2022 12:13 PM (6FeV1)

258 Did they just ignore it? It was supposed to allow consumers to get an idea of what they charged for basic services.

Almost certainly one of the executive orders that Biden negated.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2022 12:13 PM (KZzsI)

259 243 And some very "problematic" ones! Like 'Walking My Baby Back Home' where he does an embarrassing Chinese waiter impression, which is followed by Donald O'Connor singing "Hi-Lee, Hi-Lo". If the SJWs ever got hold of THAT, they'd probably demand 'The Little Mermaid' be redubbed and Buddy's name removed from the voice credits.
Posted by: Dr. Mabusette at January 04, 2022 11:59 AM (XfAmJ)

nothing could be worse than John Wayne as Genghis Khan...
Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at January 04, 2022 12:11 PM (8D42x)

Ahem.

Posted by: Mickey Rooney in Breakfast at Tiffany's at January 04, 2022 12:13 PM (v7GsP)

260 >>>What on earth are these for? They can't possibly drive any actual business.

Legal kickbacks to Google

Posted by: mikethemoose at January 04, 2022 12:13 PM (T/vhV)

261 I wish you were in charge of setting covid policy instead of the yahoos in Washington.

Posted by: Tobekiwi at January 04, 2022 12:14 PM (/lnfO)

262 >>> 247 And others pushing this -- teachers -- are doing it because they're either stupid, selfish, ignorant or evil.
Posted by: Clyde Shelton

Evil. This is satanic based. Only explanation for the entire fucking world losing it's shit.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 04, 2022 12:11 PM (uXonU)

Nuh uh.

It's also totes rational for millions of people around the world to agree that a guy getting a doctor to remove his ding-a-ling turns him into a woman.

Posted by: Stan at January 04, 2022 12:14 PM (llON8)

263 Because risk factors are different. Kids aren't at risk from COVID. Some adults are at fairly high risk, to the point where vax effects are lower risk than the disease.

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Yes I get that. But the numbers suggest that Covid is not a risk to most adults. Statistically, there is not much difference between kids and adults. My point is so many are so adamant that their kids should not get it, but don't seem to care that they themselves will get it when the statistical risk is basically the same.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at January 04, 2022 12:14 PM (sX1BW)

264 Legal kickbacks to Google
Posted by: mikethemoose at January 04, 2022 12:13 PM (T/vhV)
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I didn't consider that. Possible, I suppose. I don't know that it makes sense, but it's possible.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 04, 2022 12:14 PM (DU+/6)

265 He links her less and less as time goes on.

Banning comments, and then grudgingly allowing comments again, but only after they've been approved, has massively reduced her readership, methinks.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 04, 2022 12:14 PM (I2/tG)

266 Oh and I think the German N95 trial showed no benefit, as I recall.

SH, that's easy. If one believes there is some prophylactic or therapeutic value to the vaccines for adults, then, yay! vaccines for adults, or at least older adults.

As younger people and especially children simply are not affected by C19 in any meaningful scale, then vaccines for them make no sense.

It's the same as the reductio ad absurdum, which I've only deployed once (reaction: blank uncomprehending stare, as usual), on this whole question: why aren't shingles and pneumonia and flu shots mandated for children, dammit?????????!!!!!!!!!!

Oh.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 04, 2022 12:14 PM (OTzUX)

267 So the risks of the vaccine outweigh the benefits.

If there is any risk at all taking the vaccine at any age, it clearly outweighs the results, based on the data you provided about the "delta variant".

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2022 12:15 PM (KZzsI)

268 DeSantis Pres, Trump VPres

I think that is a fair ticket.

Posted by: Miss Issippi at January 04, 2022 12:16 PM (sI15f)

269 Sheesh. I'll wait until a non-Wuflu thread is posted. Tired of talking about it.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at January 04, 2022 12:16 PM (Fs5vw)

270 I wish you were in charge of setting covid policy instead of the yahoos in Washington.

"How are we gonna wet our beak if we follow these policies? SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!"
--Washington Yahoos

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2022 12:16 PM (KZzsI)

271 269 Sheesh. I'll wait until a non-Wuflu thread is posted. Tired of talking about it.
Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at January 04, 2022 12:16 PM (Fs5vw)

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So, Star Trek...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 04, 2022 12:16 PM (LvTSG)

272 268 DeSantis Pres, Trump VPres

I think that is a fair ticket.
Posted by: Miss Issippi at January 04, 2022 12:16 PM (sI15f)

Trump Jr. For VP, maybe

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 04, 2022 12:16 PM (6FeV1)

273 I posted some data in the art thread. The kids who die of rona are overweight and/ or have other chronic medical conditions. No healthy kids are dying from coof.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 04, 2022 12:03 PM

Hasn't that been the case for everyone for COVID from the beginning? 99% of deaths have been either elderly or immunocompromised. This is not killing healthy people. And I think something like 80% of the deaths are those 65+. So it has not been killing young or even middle aged people.

Have some healthy and younger people died from COVID? Yes. Just like young and healthy sometimes die from flu or heart attacks. But they are the unfortunate exceptions, not the rule.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at January 04, 2022 12:16 PM (Do5/p)

274 CBD, glad you've escaped the hospital and can resume drinking or sous vide-ing whenever and however you choose.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at January 04, 2022 12:16 PM (llON8)

275 Statistically, there is not much difference between kids and adults.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at January 04, 2022 12:14 PM (sX1BW)

No, that isn't true. Kids are far less vulnerable to Covid. It is actually amazing how resilient they are. Adults are the ones at risk, and the older and sicker, the more at risk. The risks that get people in trouble are far more common even in young adults...obesity, diabetes, etc.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 04, 2022 12:17 PM (Q9lwr)

276 >>>And kidneys are so efficient that by the time you realize something is amiss, it is too late.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 04, 2022 12:07 PM (bKdTl)

This. Most people don't realize kidneys can function at about 10% capacity and, ho-hum, nothing feels out of sorts. I'll have to admit, I didn't know this until months AFTER I got off dialysis. Numbers still look great, but am on an certain anti-viral and antibiotic meds that could have adverse effects. Close to the end of those protocols and my biggest concern are the effects on my kidneys.

Posted by: In Reel Life (yes, dummy, on purpose) at January 04, 2022 12:17 PM (QYPq3)

277 268 DeSantis Pres, Trump VPres

I think that is a fair ticket.
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I don't think Trump would agree with you.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at January 04, 2022 12:17 PM (k4dH2)

278 Will we ever get a rational public health policy?
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No.

Its like saying will we ever get a rational public defense department weapons procurement policy?

Both systems are utterly corrupt with regulatory capture and kickback schemes running for decades. Self interest is the policy that is served by those in the system.

Posted by: incompetence and malevolence are not mutually exclusive at January 04, 2022 12:18 PM (qMnFq)

279 >

Pineapple on pizza is just wrong

Posted by: DB at January 04, 2022 12:18 PM (geLO8)

280 No, that isn't true. Kids are far less vulnerable to Covid.

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I'm simply not seeing that in the numbers. Most healthy adults - certainly the younger ones - have the same statistical profile of children. Approaching 0. We may just have to disagree.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at January 04, 2022 12:19 PM (sX1BW)

281 >Statistically, there is not much difference between kids and adults.

kids are shorter, and weigh less

Posted by: DB at January 04, 2022 12:19 PM (geLO8)

282 The only people I personally know of who have died from the Wuhan Flu have all had serious health issues to begin with. That's not to say it cannot kill someone who is healthy, but the odds seem pretty low. I think if an honest, accurate assessment was done, it would show that your chances of dying from the Wuhan Flu are about the same as any other ordinary cold unless you have other serious health issues such as severe obesity, significant breathing issues, or advanced age.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2022 12:19 PM (KZzsI)

283 Trump will be a lame duck from day one if he wins. Plus he will be tied up in every single court room in blue States the day he wins the election. I hate to say it but Trump should step aside for desantis.

Trump would be hopeless. The Left was only really good at one thing, and that was throwing roadblocks in his way. If he gets back into power, it'll be like high school reunion time for the shrivelled freaks on the Left, and they'll be all energized for the battle again. Better to leave them as they are, gasping for air in their own farts and body odor.

Posted by: Dr. Mabusette at January 04, 2022 12:19 PM (XfAmJ)

284 Oh yeah, forgot - also, the testing thing.

Apart from emotional and psychological "therapy" for people, there's no public health rationale for widespread testing.

It's of a piece with the entire false framework you've (mostly) rejected here, Dave.

There is no managing or "mitigating" this disease or any like it, after it's prevalent. End of story. Testing for other than diagnostic purposes therefore is excluded. Pretty simple (you could also test for research purposes, but that's different).

This is not ebola, or some enteric disease. One is not going to manipulate the horses once they're out of the barn.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 04, 2022 12:19 PM (OTzUX)

285 This brunette in white is highly confident that we will never have any rational policy in any respect:
https://is.gd/ZNosOw

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 04, 2022 12:19 PM (DU+/6)

286 Banning comments, and then grudgingly allowing comments again, but only after they've been approved, has massively reduced her readership, methinks.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 04, 2022 12:14 PM (I2/tG)

I'm mystified about that. Why would that cause you to quit reading? She's Ann Althouse. If her "being Ann Althouse all the time" didn't in put you off your feed, I don't know why that would.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 04, 2022 12:19 PM (hQ23g)

287 Trump will be a lame duck from day one if he wins. Plus he will be tied up in every single court room in blue States the day he wins the election. I hate to say it but Trump should step aside for desantis.
Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at January 04, 2022 12:11 PM (bVYXr)

I know what you mean, but that argument holds for literally any human being with R after their name, especially DeSantis. Even if a quisling like Romney or Cheney somehow got installed, that same thing would happen.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 04, 2022 12:13 PM

Only Trump can be tied to the January 6th garbage and they will use that starting the minute he announces. Sure they will try to tie anyone else who runs to it, but they will not have the taint from the January 6th commission that is going to find that Trump incited an armed insurrection that day. Facts be damned.

Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at January 04, 2022 12:20 PM (bVYXr)

288 256 I just got hit with OSHA's ETS for employers with 100 or more employees. Need to find my vaccination card and scan it.
Posted by: NaughtyPine at January 04, 2022 12:13 PM (fxCK2)

I thought that was stayed in court. Are they enforcing that now?

Posted by: Miss Issippi at January 04, 2022 12:20 PM (sI15f)

289 268 DeSantis Pres, Trump VPres
Posted by: Miss Issippi
Someone here said that you can not have a President and VP from the same state. I do not know if that is true. Just repeating something I saw here.
In any case, I only trust Trump.

Posted by: MikeM at January 04, 2022 12:20 PM (Dwe7n)

290 286 I'm mystified about that. Why would that cause you to quit reading? She's Ann Althouse. If her "being Ann Althouse all the time" didn't in put you off your feed, I don't know why that would.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 04, 2022 12:19 PM (hQ23g)

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The comments were the best content?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 04, 2022 12:20 PM (LvTSG)

291 @273

>>Hasn't that been the case for everyone for COVID from the beginning?

You would have thought the largest global, intensive two plus year study and analysis would have resulted in a nearly complete understanding of the nature, risk vectors and population impacts of this disease.

But you'd be wrong, they essentially know nothing, apparently.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 04, 2022 12:20 PM (LbGVo)

292 268 DeSantis Pres, Trump VPres

I think that is a fair ticket

Pres Trump front man taking on the bullcrap and arrows while VP DeSantis is actually calling the shots in the background

Posted by: M2TU at January 04, 2022 12:21 PM (23rwv)

293 >>>Someone here said that you can not have a President and VP from the same state. I do not know if that is true. Just repeating something I saw here.
In any case, I only trust Trump.
Posted by: MikeM at January 04, 2022 12:20 PM (Dwe7n)

It's true. It's Constitutional.

Posted by: In Reel Life (yes, dummy, on purpose) at January 04, 2022 12:21 PM (QYPq3)

294 Trump as Speaker of the House interests me. Imagine the fun we would have!

Posted by: Head puddi at January 04, 2022 12:21 PM (xMh1R)

295 nood teachers unions

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 04, 2022 12:22 PM (LvTSG)

296 Someone here said that you can not have a President and VP from the same state.

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Its in the Constitution. However, that is something that can be stepped around if indeed that was the only roadblock for a ticket that everyone (including Trump and DeSantis) wanted.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at January 04, 2022 12:22 PM (sX1BW)

297 This brunette in white is highly confident that we will never have any rational policy in any respect:
https://is.gd/ZNosOw
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 04, 2022 12:19 PM (DU+/6)

Hot for a Bene Gesserit...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Lawful Good is Not Lawful Perfect at January 04, 2022 12:22 PM (V6f9+)

298 >>>I don't know that it makes sense, but it's possible.

Google along with Facebook and Twitter are the modern Sacred Congregation of the Index. If you want to silence critics you go to them. Google to censor YouTube critics.

Posted by: mikethemoose at January 04, 2022 12:22 PM (T/vhV)

299 The comments were the best content?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 04, 2022 12:20 PM (

Fair.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 04, 2022 12:22 PM (hQ23g)

300 They do a two week study and everyone gets excited? TWO WEEKS????

Gesh.

Posted by: James Lewis at January 04, 2022 12:23 PM (LkHBS)

301 The info I saw last year indicated that age 18 and younger had significantly lower than .01% chance of death from the Wuhan Flu. The overall average chance is around .05% for all ages, over 1% for the very elderly.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2022 12:23 PM (KZzsI)

302 290 286 I'm mystified about that. Why would that cause you to quit reading? She's Ann Althouse. If her "being Ann Althouse all the time" didn't in put you off your feed, I don't know why that would.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 04, 2022 12:19 PM (hQ23g)

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The comments were the best content?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 04, 2022 12:20 PM (LvTSG)

Well, the comments are certainly neck-and-neck with the content at AoSHQ. That said, I think the commenters at The New Neo are very good as well. I'd say they match up with her content nicely.

Posted by: Mickey Rooney in Breakfast at Tiffany's at January 04, 2022 12:23 PM (v7GsP)

303 294 Trump as Speaker of the House interests me. Imagine the fun we would have!

Posted by: Head puddi at January 04, 2022 12:21 PM (xMh1R)
'Why yes, the congress agrees with President DeSantis. You idiot.'
-Speaker Trump to news 'person'

Posted by: Eromero at January 04, 2022 12:24 PM (0OP+5)

304 nood teachers unions
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 04, 2022 12:22 PM (LvTSG)

teachers from when I was in school, or some of the newer ones, that are kind of hot some times?

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at January 04, 2022 12:24 PM (8D42x)

305 Trump President with DeSantis VP.
Then DeSantis President with Trump Jr. VP.
Trump Jr. President.

16 years of kick ass!

Posted by: The Man from Athens at January 04, 2022 12:24 PM (QMwOT)

306 It seems these days, it is not allowed to get sick. Who here has not gone to a holiday family gathering and come down sick as hell days later. It's been happening since forever

Posted by: A dude in MI at January 04, 2022 12:26 PM (/6GbT)

307 Lou Reed had a song about pineapple on pizza. He was sick that way.

Posted by: klaftern at January 04, 2022 12:27 PM (taPSh)

308 Yes I get that. But the numbers suggest that Covid is not a risk to most adults. Statistically, there is not much difference between kids and adults. My point is so many are so adamant that their kids should not get it, but don't seem to care that they themselves will get it when the statistical risk is basically the same.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at January 04, 2022 12:14 PM

Yep. If you are a healthy adult under the age of 65, you are basically at the same risk to COVID as children.

It's basically like what they did with AIDS. Convincing people that non-homosexuals were at the same risk of AIDS as homosexuals. In the case of COVID, they've convinced healthy people they are at the same risk from COVID as non-healthy people. When, in reality, COVID is nothing more than a bad flu, if that, for healthy people.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at January 04, 2022 12:27 PM (Do5/p)

309 Republicans win big in the Senate.
Lib Supreme kicks the bucket.
Trump on the Supreme Court.
The resulting Lib hysteria will lead to a massive popcorn shortage not seen since the founding of the Republic.

Posted by: The Man from Athens at January 04, 2022 12:28 PM (QMwOT)

310 Will i become a Solvent Green Cracker before there is justice?

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at January 04, 2022 12:28 PM (S4e2h)

311 I forget exactly but statistically speaking best case scenario is: you have to vax 22,000 to save one life. (I think that is dubious given the fact that they now know the protective value drops over time less than 50% effective after 6mos) But assuming you can save even one life in 22,000 vaxs. In those 22,000 vaxed, you WILL have about 5 people who develop myocarditis. (that's just myocarditis, not HA, or stroke etc). So if you aren't in a high risk group multiple comorbidities, or in your 80's. You really should be allowed to make up your own mind without being coerced or pressured into it. P.S. being vaxxed doesn't prevent the spread, so its solely a personal decision. This is clearly not about public health. Best case scenario is its just another grift machine. Worst case, see Insurance Company statistics on excess deaths since vax rolled out.

Posted by: incompetence and malevolence are not mutually exclusive at January 04, 2022 12:29 PM (qMnFq)

312 DeSantis President and Levin as VP. Trump Speaker of the House.

Dream ticket.

Posted by: M2TU at January 04, 2022 12:30 PM (23rwv)

313 Statistically, there is not much difference between kids and adults.
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This means, I think, that the difference between 99.9% survival and 99.999% survival. Accurate actually. You just have to reset you mind to the fact that the survival rate is really freaking high, before vax. Relatively speaking kids don't get sick from it very often at all, let alone die from it. So you could argue there is a bit more of a difference in the sense that the kids don't get sick, let alone die. Whereas adults may get sick, but not wind up in the hospital or die. My teens had a high fever for like a day and not other sxs.

Posted by: incompetence and malevolence are not mutually exclusive at January 04, 2022 12:34 PM (0aVzh)

314 They keep calling it a vaccine.

Isn't the Jab more of a therapeutic? They claim that, when (not if) you get it, it won't be as severe.

Nothing about having your white blood cells / T-cells primed and running on Day 0 of infection, killing the invaders. They're on their own figuring out what is crossing the body's border illegally. But the damage to lungs or whatnot, much like gated communities with their own paramilitary forces, is less at risk.

End result? People not knowing they're sick going out and about, spreading WuFlu. Especially in blue cities, where they think a piece of cloth will ward away evil spirit and bad juju. People thinking they're immune, because they got a therapeutic and not a real vaccine.

It's Typhoid Many.

Posted by: Another Anon at January 04, 2022 12:37 PM (bW28E)

315 Kids are far less vulnerable to Covid. It is actually amazing how resilient they are. Adults are the ones at risk, and the older and sicker, the more at risk. The risks that get people in trouble are far more common even in young adults...obesity, diabetes, etc.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 04, 2022 12:17 PM (Q9lwr)

Barnes has commented frequently about the idiocy of old fart judges afraid of everything ruling on children's mandates.

Posted by: Captain Hate won't forget Michael Byrd Murdered Ashli Babbitt at January 04, 2022 12:39 PM (y7DUB)

316 So, Star Trek...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 04, 2022 12:16 PM

* excitedly * I'm here! I'm here!!!

Posted by: Wesley Crusher at January 04, 2022 12:42 PM (a3Q+t)

317 Altogether now... "Covid-19 is NOT meant to be a medical emergency. It is meant to usher in the Great Reset where 90% of the planet is slaughtered. There is NO OTHER REASON, so don't even try to reason against it!"

Posted by: Jonah Kyle at January 04, 2022 01:02 PM (R4j1g)

318 We don't have a rational policy because they want more people sick and dead. It serves their interests in power and control.

Posted by: Ordinary American at January 04, 2022 01:03 PM (H8QX8)

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