Gun Thread: More December Edition!

Notice that is not English on the blackboard [h/t]Kindltot

Howdy, Y'all! Welcome to the wondrously fabulous Gun Thread! As always, I want to thank all of our regulars for being here week in and week out, and also offer a bigly Gun Thread welcome to any newcomers who may be joining us tonight. Howdy and thank you for stopping by! I hope you find our wacky conversation on the subject of guns 'n shooting both enjoyable and informative. You are always welcome to lurk in the shadows of shame, but I'd like to invite you to jump into the conversation, say howdy, and tell us what kind of shooting you like to do!

Last week we celebrated the arrival of December, and what do you know, this week we have even more December! We also commemorated the anniversary of the Jap sneak attack on Pearl Harbor. I wasn't around in 1941, but as an American, I am still bitter and angry about it. The greatest generation certainly was just that, and those who answered the country's call and served in WWII are a rapidly vanishing breed. I am not sure we will see the likes of them again.

With that, let's get to the gun stuff below, shall we?

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More Not English on the Blackboard

What is being taught in schools where you live? I'm guessing it isn't anything like this.

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Last week our pal Oddbob made a comment that I noted for further discussion this week, and here 'tis.

A few years ago, and maybe once since then, the Book Thread did a thread specifically inviting lurkers to delurk. I wonder how much response the Gun Thread would get with something like that.
Posted by: Oddbob at December 05, 2021 09:26 PM (nfrXX)

What a great idea! I try and welcome new commenters whenever I can, and even start the thread off each week with an invitation for lurkers to de-lurk and join the fun. Still, I often receive email from people with a question or comment they felt silly asking or were otherwise hesitant for everyone else to see.

So first things first, you are always welcome to email me, and I try to respond before the following week's thread goes up. If more than a week goes by and you haven't received a reply, please email me again. I have to admit my system for tracking these things is not the most advanced, and my brain is drying out with advanced age so my memory isn't what it used to be. If you are sending me stuff to include in the thread, I generally reply to those at least a day before I am going to use them. Again, if you have a specific question for me, just ask and I will try to get you an answer as soon as possible.

Second, every single person who comments on this thread was a newbie at some point as far as guns and shooting are concerned, so don't feel like your question isn't worthwhile. There may be others tuned in at that very moment who are wondering the same thing, and you would be doing them a favor, too. Please don't think a question or observation you have is too basic. The value of this thread, if there is one, is in helping people improve their shooting and enjoyment of the shooting sports in general. If something is holding you back or you are unsure how to approach a problem, we have a bunch of people here with a wide range of knowledge, so just ask!

Lastly, even if you aren't a shooter and are just shooting-curious, speak up and say hello! If you find a particular topic or area of shooting interesting, let us know what that is. I rely on you all a lot for thread material because it's not only way more interesting than listening to my B.S. for three hours, it keeps the content fresh, relevant, and most importantly interesting to you.

Hope to see you in the comments!

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First up our pal Ed L delivers on his promise to share some cool martial arms.

A couple of years ago, Colt licensed US Ordinance to make about 1,000 replicas of its XM177E2 carbine, best known for its use by Military Assistance Command Vietnam's Studies and Observations Group (MACV-SOG), aka Special Operations forces such as SEAL teams and Rangers. Made more as a collector's piece than a tactical carbine, this retro rifle tries to include as many actual features from the originals as possible, such as the vinyl coated collapsible stock, cut down bayonet lug, selector stops, and the same Colt roll marks as the originals. The production run used the same serial number range as the originals, with a "V" tacked on the end to differentiate the replicas.

The target was shot at 20 yards from a standing position. Not bad for a collector's piece. Coming in at just over six pounds and a bit over thirty inches long with the stock collapsed, it's not hard to understand why my platoon sergeant and Vietnam era veterans in my 1991 Operation Desert Storm platoon preferred this over the M-16A1s issued to us. It's not hard to see where the roots of today's M4 sprang from.

Nice rifle and nice shooting, Ed L! Thank you!

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Last week our pal Blake sent a video of an unusual 1911 variant which I included because, well, it's an unusual 1911 variant.

This week we have a follow-up from our pal Blasternaz on this very exact gun!

I've shot this! More than once! Ed is an 02/07 and has built 2 more of these, neither of which runs reliably. But Bob's original keeps on keepin' on! Video was done by Rob762 at Big Sandy.

How cool is that? Small world, huh? Thanks Blasternaz!

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Next up we have a question from our pal JerseyDevilRider

Has the Gun Thread cover the Mantis 10 Elite - Shooting Performance System? I've read some stuff and am sort of ambivalent. My son wants to get it for me. I'm not sure. Anything anyone can offer would be greatly appreciated.

I am almost positive we covered the Mantis 10 at some point, but I can't recall when it was. Almost certainly in the last year, but that still covers a lot of territory. Anyone have any thoughts to share on the Mantis x10 Elite system?

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Next up our pal Flounder shares a video on considerations when establishing a combat AR Zero.

Interesting! What are you tactical AR guys and gals using?

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Next up we have an article on the evolution of the M1 Garand rear sight. By now it should not come as a surprise that Weasel rilly, rilly likes these old rifles! Take a look!

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Staying with optics, a question which comes up from time to time has to do with First and Second focal plane scopes (FFP vs. SFP). In a nutshell, first focal plane scopes measure accurately over their entire range of magnification and second focal plane scopes measure accurately at one point in the range, say 22X. By "measure" I'm talking about using the scale built into the reticle. Here is a video from Vortex that discusses the subject in some detail.

As the Vortex guy mentions, the center of the reticle crosshair does not change in either example, but in SFP scopes everything outside the center is relative, except at one specific magnification. Another difference? FFP scopes are more complicated and are more expensive.

Q: Weasel, what do you use?
A: Second Focal Plane scopes.

Why? Because all of my shooting is done at fixed, known distances. I don't need to range, or determine the distance to the targets. When I am correcting for windage, I just convert the correction to correspond with features on the target, say the outside line on the 10 ring or the middle of the 9 ring or whatever. On a 1,000 yd F-Class target, the "X" ring is a 5 inch diameter circle and the 10 ring is 10 inches. When I calculate wind, I solve for minutes (MOA) of deflection based on my read of the conditions, apply them to the target, and take the shot. Say a 2mph wind has a .5 MOA effect on a bullet at 1,000 yards; I hold right or left out on the edge of the 10 ring in that condition (.5 MOA x 10.47" = ~5", or about the edge of the 10 ring) and let the wind blow the bullet back to the middle. Some might consider this an extra step, but with practice it can be done as quickly as trying to use the reticle to measure holdovers. Try it!

Precision Rifle (PRS) and some other competitive shooting disciplines involve shooting at variable distances where the ability to measure the range to targets effectively is important, and first focal plane scope might be better suited for those applications.

In the end, just use whatever works best for you. Do you have a preference??

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Well this certainly seems uncomplicated and convenient to use.

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Gun Basics 101
Choices for concealed carry? Here we have the, um, She Equips Herself dude with some thoughts on the matter.

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Cigar of the Week

Have I featured these yet? I think maybe I have. Anyhoo, my daily cigar is the Bahia Brazil Robusto. At less than $3, it's a great value in a great cigar!

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This week our pal Pillage Idiot goes hunting on his farm and shares the results. Thanks PI! Nice shooting! I'm reserving a spot for you in the Rifle Clinic at next year's TXMoMe.

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Weasel at 07:00 PM

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1 Yeah Buddy

Posted by: That Guy What Always Says Yeah Buddy TM at December 12, 2021 07:00 PM (R5lpX)

2 9mm > .45

Posted by: That Guy What Always Says Yeah Buddy TM at December 12, 2021 07:00 PM (R5lpX)

3 BANG!
BANG!
BANG!
BANG!
BANG!
BANG!
BANG!
BANG!

*ping!!!*

FIRST!

Posted by: Baron Munchausen at December 12, 2021 07:01 PM (C1NyB)

4 Dammit. Took too long to type "BANG!" eight times.

*kicks dirt*

Posted by: Baron Munchausen at December 12, 2021 07:02 PM (C1NyB)

5 I have a night vision scope so I see all of you.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 12, 2021 07:05 PM (KNw+7)

6 Evening, fellow gub 'ettes and 'rons, and a special thanks again Weasel.

Just got an optic for my Ruger PC carbine - heading to the range this week to see if it's an improvement on my Mark 1 eyeball.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at December 12, 2021 07:05 PM (Agr8U)

7 That's a lot of lead downrange Baron... don't you have a windmill to tilt against?

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 12, 2021 07:05 PM (LYLbl)

8 Howdy Ben Had!

Howdy S'puppy!

Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 07:06 PM (0IeYL)

9 Posted by: Anna Puma at December 12, 2021 07:05 PM (LYLbl)

Just trying to run a clip through the Garand to get us started!

Posted by: Baron Munchausen at December 12, 2021 07:07 PM (C1NyB)

10 Thanks for the article on the rear M1 sight. Saved it to review mine tomorrow. It has been a bit sticky.

In happy news, #1 son sent my Christmas gift today and yeah, I opened it: The guns of John Moses Browning by Nathan Gorenstein.

Nice!

Posted by: Tonypete at December 12, 2021 07:07 PM (mD/uy)

11 Weasel, your newbie point is important. I consider myself a modestly knowledgeable amateur when it comes to guns, but even with the guns in my safe I usually have a "gee! I have no idea" moment.

It keeps us humble!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 12, 2021 07:07 PM (Q9lwr)

12 Hi, Weasel and horde!

Posted by: Ed L at December 12, 2021 07:07 PM (NacE+)

13 Evening folks. I dunno, the Soviets, er I a mean Russians probably still teach firearms in school where as over here they are banned and reviled. We are so going in the wrong direction.

Pillage!! Congrats on the deer!! That backstrap must taste good. :-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at December 12, 2021 07:08 PM (mcfjc)

14 Absolute worst deer season here that I can remember. I havent fired a shot and tomorrow is the last day. Kinda sux.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 12, 2021 07:08 PM (YdSkn)

15 5 I have a night vision scope so I see all of you.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 12, 2021

Shhhh, you do not want the hogs to find out. ;-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at December 12, 2021 07:09 PM (mcfjc)

16 Dangit! 9 minutes late!

Posted by: GWB at December 12, 2021 07:09 PM (OIuEP)

17 Howdy Ed L!

Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 07:10 PM (0IeYL)

18 I don't think I've ever owned a SFP scope. I always assume unknown ranges are prevalent and therefore FFP/MIL works very quickly for me.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 12, 2021 07:10 PM (5dQn5)

19 Evening folks. I dunno, the Soviets, er I a mean Russians probably still teach firearms in school where as over here they are banned and reviled. We are so going in the wrong direction.

Pillage!! Congrats on the deer!! That backstrap must taste good. :-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at December 12, 2021 07:08 PM (mcfjc)

Hard to believe, but late 60's, early 70's, had a rifle range at school...in California.

Posted by: That Guy What Always Says Yeah Buddy TM at December 12, 2021 07:11 PM (R5lpX)

20 14 Absolute worst deer season here that I can remember. I havent fired a shot and tomorrow is the last day. Kinda sux.
Posted by: Xipe Totec

Eat Mor Trout.

Posted by: JEM at December 12, 2021 07:11 PM (8erNz)

21 I have a Hawkins kit I built. Never shot it. 54 Cal. I would like to get rid of it.

Posted by: Ronster at December 12, 2021 07:11 PM (G1E1T)

22 Weasel, thanks for the thread.

I'll admit that since the MoMe I've been thinking I need a scope that would allow me to do the dialing and estimating necessary to bang steel in the distance. Do you recall the model our Corsicana officer was using?

Posted by: Pete Bog at December 12, 2021 07:13 PM (3xUhl)

23 I'm pre-oldschool with regards to sights. I prefer blades. You can see around them better.

Posted by: Javems at December 12, 2021 07:13 PM (AmoqO)

24 Once more, no range report. Heck, not even sure if I will have a free weekend until next year.

And it might be a short night tonight. I have to try and finish the thing at work I hate the most, the year in review. I will probably procrastinate because I hate it so.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at December 12, 2021 07:13 PM (mcfjc)

25 Feral Pig hunting- dogs keep bringing up skulls. I'll clean them when they are 60lbs or so.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 12, 2021 07:13 PM (KNw+7)

26
Incidentally, Hobart used to make KitchenAid mixers.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- at December 12, 2021 07:13 PM (oNyw9)

27 Pillage Idiot

Way to feed the family!

*Tips my hat in respect. *

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at December 12, 2021 07:14 PM (u82oZ)

28 Posted by: Pete Bog at December 12, 2021 07:13 PM (3xUhl)
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Howdy Pete Bog! Not sure which one you're referring to. I always recommend NightForce scopes and prefer the MOA convention.

Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 07:15 PM (HVVWb)

29 Hard to believe, but late 60's, early 70's, had a rifle range at school...in California.

Posted by: That Guy What Always Says Yeah Buddy TM

I graduated HS in 80. My HS out on Long Island had a range in the basement too. I think our school won a couple of championships, maybe even State.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at December 12, 2021 07:15 PM (mcfjc)

30 Baron Munchausen

Good effort.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at December 12, 2021 07:15 PM (u82oZ)

31 Scuba_Dude, I can hunt out of a comfortable chair from the end of my barn. Those pigs are smart but not patterned.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 12, 2021 07:16 PM (KNw+7)

32 Ben Had

♬ ♩ ♪ ♫ Good evening! ♩ ♫ ♬ ♪

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Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at December 12, 2021 07:16 PM (u82oZ)

33 Weasel's Gun Thread. The Happiest Place on Earth!

Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 12, 2021 07:16 PM (7bRMQ)

34 Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 12, 2021 07:16 PM (7bRMQ)
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Why thank you!!

Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 07:16 PM (0IeYL)

35 Long time lurker. Infrequent commenter. Taking my first gun safety class this week before I purchase. I was in charge of the ordinance on my first ship, but that was many moons ago so figured I needed a refresher.

Posted by: hubcap at December 12, 2021 07:18 PM (rnQ1Q)

36 Our very nice outdoor range still closed because of COVID.
Why yes, Kansas has a [redacted intensifier] Democrat governor.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at December 12, 2021 07:18 PM (u82oZ)

37 31 I can hunt out of a comfortable chair from the end of my barn. Those pigs are smart but not patterned.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 12, 2021 07:16

Ben, I am looking forward to the day I can do the same.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at December 12, 2021 07:18 PM (mcfjc)

38 SANTA FE, N.M. (AP) -- The assistant director who handed Alec Baldwin a prop gun that killed [andy: WTF??] a cinematographer on a New Mexico film set must make himself available for an interview with state workplace safety regulators, a judge has decided.

... Safety officials tried twice since Nov. 2 to interview Halls for their investigation but he declined both times through his attorney and said he wouldn't agree to an interview until a criminal investigation into the shooting is complete, a compliance officer wrote Wednesday in an affidavit in support of the subpoena request.

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at December 12, 2021 07:18 PM (UHVv4)

39 Ben Had hello

Feral Pig hunting- dogs keep bringing up skulls. I'll clean them when they are 60lbs or so.

Are you referring to the dogs or the skulls. A sixty pounder would be a sizable hog. Even for Texas.

Posted by: Pete Bog at December 12, 2021 07:18 PM (3xUhl)

40 FFP and mill, my shooting partner and I both speak mill.
Bahia have always been good reasonably priced smokes.

Posted by: Nevada Dave at December 12, 2021 07:19 PM (3DzQz)

41 Posted by: hubcap at December 12, 2021 07:18 PM (rnQ1Q)
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Howdy and welcome to the Gun Thread, hubcap!

Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 07:19 PM (0IeYL)

42 Salty, right back to ya!

Posted by: Ben Had at December 12, 2021 07:19 PM (KNw+7)

43 hubcap

Welcome. So a FRAM can Weps or a Tico CSO?

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at December 12, 2021 07:19 PM (u82oZ)

44 Ben Had

Does little happy dance.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at December 12, 2021 07:19 PM (u82oZ)

45 Greetings Horde, Weasel!

Thicc Boi online!

Posted by: Thicc Boi at December 12, 2021 07:20 PM (zThcc)

46 Ummmm, Weasel, it's been a while since, you know, like, we've had any, um, Shooting as Weasel Acres documentaries, which also means, ummm, of course, that's it's been, like, near-forever since the Executive Producer was seen.

Just sayin.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 12, 2021 07:20 PM (a3Q+t)

47 Got my dad a Hawkin 50 cal seems a lifetime ago, he still has it though sure hasn't shot it in over 30 years.

Posted by: Skip at December 12, 2021 07:20 PM (2JoB8)

48 Hey Weasel! I've got a range report for you!

The temp was actually in the 40s, so we figured to enjoy the last of the above-freezing weather here in Michigan.

Stiff westerly breeze, staring into the low winter sun, had to wear mud boots, but by gum we got some high-quality plinking in with our revolvers!

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 12, 2021 07:20 PM (llXky)

49 Ben Had

How many notches in the pig rifle with the night vision scope?

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at December 12, 2021 07:20 PM (u82oZ)

50 Hard to believe, but late 60's, early 70's, had a rifle range at school...in California.

Posted by: That Guy What Always Says Yeah Buddy TM at December 12, 2021 07:11 PM

When I was in grade school, 5th-8th, we had a guy come by and let us shoot skeet with .22 buckshot. On school grounds. I would have to do some serious math to figure out when that was.

Posted by: Javems at December 12, 2021 07:20 PM (AmoqO)

51 Shoot for the chest, EdL! Not the balls!

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at December 12, 2021 07:21 PM (UHVv4)

52 Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 12, 2021 07:20 PM (a3Q+t)
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I know! I have been derelict in my duties. Hope to get back to making videos soon, though!

Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 07:21 PM (0IeYL)

53 Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd

Rereading Long Live Death. A good summary.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at December 12, 2021 07:22 PM (u82oZ)

54 Hi, Weasel! I got my 2 spray cans of Sea Foam Deep Creep the other day. Haven't used any yet, but I will try on the gun safe queens soon.

Distracted tonight, getting the grandsons' presents ready to ship to Washington State. Sux not being able to see the little scudders on a regular basis. Papa would be looking for air rifles, even though they are still a bit young.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at December 12, 2021 07:22 PM (CmPBR)

55 Howdy, Horde! On the Road and just checked into my home away from home! Now to read the content!

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at December 12, 2021 07:22 PM (aO0c5)

56 Hello Weasel!! Hello everbody else!!
Another fine week in Wyoming!! Gunshow in Laramie this weekend... So, we did not shoot on Friday, and skipped off to the show early Saturday AM. The weather Friday into Saturday was awful so a lot of vendors could't make it.
I bought 300 Large Pistol primers, and 100 Hornady 75 grain bullets for the "Weasel educates an idiot" program. My big order of reloading stuff should be here this week....
Shooting went well ish. One airpistol had a catastrophic seal failure when i installed the CO2 bulb. The second is really accurate, but will not pierce a shoot n see target. Will bring NRA air pistol targets next time.
Finished with the S&W 45 ACP model 1917.
All in all, good day at the range...
OH... Make sure SiD tells ya'll about her breakthrough...

Posted by: jesse in dc at December 12, 2021 07:22 PM (kTRt4)

57 Weasel still want to see that gun case

Posted by: Skip at December 12, 2021 07:22 PM (2JoB8)

58 Pete Bog, I had a 600lb boar right across the fence from me without so much as a stick. I ran like hell.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 12, 2021 07:22 PM (KNw+7)

59 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 12, 2021 07:20 PM (llXky)
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Nice! Write it up and send 'er in!

Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 07:22 PM (0IeYL)

60 When I was in grade school, 5th-8th, we had a guy come by and let us shoot skeet with .22 buckshot. On school grounds. I would have to do some serious math to figure out when that was.
Posted by: Javems

Use caution when converting from the Julian to Gregorian calendar.

Posted by: Tonypete at December 12, 2021 07:22 PM (mD/uy)

61 Weasel, looking at that (presumably) Russian classroom picture, it's interesting to see the DP light MG in the foreground sharing space with the fully stocked AK just behind it. Just goes to show that the Russians never threw anything away if they could help it. Perhaps there weren't enough RPDs or RPKs to go around in the "Young Pioneers" program in the 70s?

Posted by: Ed L at December 12, 2021 07:22 PM (NacE+)

62 Thicc Boi! Sup?

Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 07:23 PM (0IeYL)

63 I like SFP too, for all of the reasons you mentioned. I like a clean reticle, I like my 1 moa hash marks, but that's it, the xmas tree reticles are a bit busy for me.

Posted by: ck at December 12, 2021 07:23 PM (iBg56)

64 57 Weasel still want to see that gun case
Posted by: Skip at December 12, 2021 07:22 PM (2JoB

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I was actually going to do that today and just ran out of daylight,

Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 07:23 PM (0IeYL)

65 NaCly Dog, FFG Ordinance Officer. Ship has since been turned into razor blades. Most fun I ever had in the USN. Especially shooting the 25mm.

Posted by: hubcap at December 12, 2021 07:23 PM (rnQ1Q)

66 That's the book I have on Audible, Tonypete. It's well written and enjoyable. Takes me forever to do audible books though

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at December 12, 2021 07:24 PM (YynYJ)

67 so figured I needed a refresher.
Posted by: hubcap at December 12, 2021 07:18 PM (rnQ1Q)

Good on ya! Refreshers are always good. And a class might help you decide what you want to start with.

Yay! for delurking.

Posted by: GWB at December 12, 2021 07:25 PM (zDcxE)

68 Weasel,
Thanks for the video on the Lemat revolver. It is one of the BP guns I haven't dealt with and seeing the loading process was interesting.

The Lemat with its 9 shots and a 20 gauge must have been a terror on horseback in battle.

Posted by: JTB at December 12, 2021 07:25 PM (7EjX1)

69 Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at December 12, 2021 07:22 PM (CmPBR)
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Let us know what you think after you have had a chance to use the Deep Creep!

Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 07:25 PM (0IeYL)

70 My wife qualified on the AK-47 when she was in school in the Soviet Union.

I'm very polite to her.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 12, 2021 07:25 PM (I2/tG)

71 hubcap

25mm. Sounds fun.

My third ship is still running, sorta. My first is at the bottom 11,000 feet down in the Gulf of Mexico. Which I did not think was that deep.

Post more, please.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at December 12, 2021 07:26 PM (u82oZ)

72 I was actually going to do that today and just ran out of daylight,
Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 07:23 PM (0IeYL)

It's a conspiracy, I tell ya! The gubmint does that DST thing to take away our daylight and leave us in the dark!!!!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at December 12, 2021 07:26 PM (Agr8U)

73 One of the challenges of fixed-sight revolvers is figuring out exactly how the sight picture is supposed to look.

It's not as easy as it could be. Anyway, I think I've cracked the code to the Charter Arms Undercoverette and am quite pleased.

Seriously, .32 Smith and Wesson Long is a wonderfully easy cartridge to shoot. If you're one of those people who find .38 Special a handful and .380 ACP in a pocket pistol too "snappy", this may is the caliber for you.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 12, 2021 07:26 PM (llXky)

74 Pete Bog, I had a 600lb boar right across the fence from me without so much as a stick. I ran like hell.
Posted by: Ben Had at December 12, 2021 07:22 PM

Together, we could take him.

Well, maybe not take, but he'd be grunting mezzo-soprano afterwards.

Posted by: Ben Had's Kitchen Table at December 12, 2021 07:26 PM (a3Q+t)

75 2 9mm > .45
Posted by: That Guy What Always Says Yeah Buddy TM

Nah, brah. Just. No.

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 12, 2021 07:26 PM (U2p+3)

76 The ARC of History!

After I gave my wife a handgun, I did more chores around the house. Easier than dodging incoming rounds.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at December 12, 2021 07:27 PM (u82oZ)

77 Ben Had's Kitchen Table

LOL!

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at December 12, 2021 07:27 PM (u82oZ)

78 Posted by: jesse in dc at December 12, 2021 07:22 PM (kTRt4)
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Let me know when you're ready to get started!

QUESTION FOR THE GROUP:
Would there be any interest in a precision reloading class at next year's TXMoMe?

Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 07:27 PM (0IeYL)

79 Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at December 12, 2021 07:21 PM (UHVv4)
I'll have to use "Kentucky windage" next time. These replicas don't have adjustable sights (unfortunately).

Posted by: Ed L at December 12, 2021 07:28 PM (NacE+)

80 Shoot for the chest, EdL! Not the balls!

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at December 12, 2021 07:21 PM (UHVv4)

Those looked more to be gut-shots so he bleeds out, staring at his entrails.

Posted by: GWB at December 12, 2021 07:28 PM (zDcxE)

81 Posted by: JTB at December 12, 2021 07:25 PM (7EjX1)
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My pleasure! I was hoping you would see that!

Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 07:28 PM (0IeYL)

82 Huh. My tablet no show pictures. Well,shucks. What are you all doing tomorrow? I'm gonna stop in at the Palmetto State Armory store in (someplace) GA and buy a new lower to go with my new 300blk upper.

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at December 12, 2021 07:28 PM (aO0c5)

83 Rereading Long Live Death. A good summary.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at December 12, 2021 07:22 PM (u82oZ)
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Whoa. A second reading?

Wow, that's really cool. You made my day.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 12, 2021 07:29 PM (llXky)

84 Just skipped down there though someone already probably provided the translation: "Theme of lesson: assembly and disassembly of the AKM".

Posted by: rhomboid at December 12, 2021 07:29 PM (OTzUX)

85 After I gave my wife a handgun, I did more chores around the house. Easier than dodging incoming rounds.

Although my wife qualified on the Aftomat Kalashnikov, fortunately I don't think she's qualified on any crew-served weapons.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 12, 2021 07:29 PM (I2/tG)

86 Weasel! Thank you for the thread and the content.
Interesting experience this week that involved 2 trips to the range. Bought a very used Beretta 21A, aka, bobcat, wood grips. It came with 100 rounds of ammo. I thought it might be interesting to try a super small gun/mouse gun. This beretta is somewhat interesting as it has a tip up barrel.
At the range, the gun would not cycle = the spent cartridge would either not eject, or would get stuck in interesting ways in the ejection port area.
I ran to a nearby Cabelas to get some different ammo. Still no good.
I went back the next day to the range with more different ammo, still no good.
There are a lot of reviews of this particular gun on YT. With a lot of similar problems, and suggested solutions. Most people have found that CCI ammo works well, but that is not obtainable in my neck of the woods.
Anyway. Not looking for suggestions necessarily. The gunsmiths in this area of North Idaho are flat out. So I wrote to Beretta on Friday.
Sort of just sharing my week.

Posted by: MikeM at December 12, 2021 07:30 PM (YsLaz)

87 Thanks Ed L. for showing us your XM177 replica--it was highly thought of from all sources that I read in about that theater by the people that used them.

There are enough parts floating around via online sellers that people can assemble their own--only caveat is either permanently attach the XM177 clone flashhider to the short barrel using tack welding or blind pinning, or use a longer 16 inch barrel.

Brownells sells parts or complete rifles that are replicas of early AR's as well. Dunno about the XM177.

Posted by: whig at December 12, 2021 07:30 PM (9hXN1)

88 QUESTION FOR THE GROUP:
Would there be any interest in a precision reloading class at next year's TXMoMe?

Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 07:27 PM (0IeYL)

I would dare say there should be. Hopefully powder and primers will be available by then.

Posted by: Javems at December 12, 2021 07:31 PM (AmoqO)

89 MikeM.
CCI now sells direct to customers on some .22 LR ammo. Try Natchez Shooting Supply as another good CCI online dealer.

Posted by: whig at December 12, 2021 07:31 PM (9hXN1)

90 Looking at the M&P Shield M2.0 in .40 S&W. Plan on picking it up when I swing by palmetto state armory end of the year. Been wanting to check them out for awhile.

Posted by: hubcap at December 12, 2021 07:32 PM (rnQ1Q)

91 Posted by: MikeM at December 12, 2021 07:30 PM (YsLaz)
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Howdy MikeM! Well that sucks, but thanks for sharing. Will you follow-up as you get it sorted out?

Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 07:32 PM (0IeYL)

92 Two scopes FFP for practical rifle, the rest SFP. I'm proficient in mildot, but for the regular match I ran that had unknown distance targets, I counted my steps from a known distance. I had calculated how many paces per click of elevation and fed in the clicks as I went. One class I attended I was partnered with a guy who never heard of a mildot and never touched his scope settings, and I had to make up an entire new system of communication so we could spot for each other. It wasn't optimal but it worked out OK.

Posted by: Socratease at December 12, 2021 07:32 PM (oqnjT)

93 Pete Bog, I had a 600lb boar right across the fence from me without so much as a stick. I ran like hell.

Yikes, need a lecture on a sidearm?

Posted by: Pete Bog at December 12, 2021 07:32 PM (3xUhl)

94 QUESTION FOR THE GROUP:
Would there be any interest in a precision reloading class at next year's TXMoMe?

Posted by: Weasel

You are going to need a bigger car!

I am not interested. But have fun.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at December 12, 2021 07:33 PM (u82oZ)

95 So. I have a G 42.
It is reliable.

I'd like to carry. But. It's cold out here and wet.
Where do I put a firearm that is concealed, but accessible under a winter parka?

Pocket carry seems foolish.
And a holster in my waistband is under two layers of clothing.

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 12, 2021 07:33 PM (U2p+3)

96 At the range, the gun would not cycle = the spent cartridge would either not eject, or would get stuck in interesting ways in the ejection port area.
Posted by: MikeM at December 12, 2021 07:30 PM (YsLaz)
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I'm going to be *that guy* and ask about how thoroughly it's been cleaned. And lubricated.

I say this because I have seen the wonders that a deep cleaning can work.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 12, 2021 07:33 PM (llXky)

97 Oh, and the DT-28 in the Soviet classroom pic is interesting. Long out of service by then, though probably still in storage in big numbers, and possibly in use by Bloc countries.

Two young (30s) Russian immigrants had one at the range 2 years ago. One of the guys had re-welded the parts kit receiver back together and of course had it set up as a semi-auto. Even had the iconic pan magazine, and it worked.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 12, 2021 07:33 PM (OTzUX)

98 Let us know what you think after you have had a chance to use the Deep Creep!

I certainly will.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at December 12, 2021 07:33 PM (CmPBR)

99 78 QUESTION FOR THE GROUP:
Would there be any interest in a precision reloading class at next year's TXMoMe?

Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 07:27

I am always up for a little learning.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at December 12, 2021 07:33 PM (mcfjc)

100 nurse ratched

Can you pull a G 42 out of your hat?

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at December 12, 2021 07:34 PM (u82oZ)

101 Posted by: Socratease at December 12, 2021 07:32 PM (oqnjT)
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Howdy and welcome! The communication thing is interesting - we talk about that a little in the Texas rifle clinic.

Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 07:35 PM (HVVWb)

102 These replicas don't have adjustable sights (unfortunately).
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Thanks for the 'real' answer too, Ed L.

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at December 12, 2021 07:35 PM (UHVv4)

103 Pocket carry seems foolish.
And a holster in my waistband is under two layers of clothing.

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 12, 2021 07:33 PM (U2p+3)
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Depends on the location of the pocket, doesn't it?

I've got some coats with well-situated pockets. Of course, I'm generally a revolver guy...

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 12, 2021 07:36 PM (llXky)

104 Nice!
Posted by: Tonypete at December 12, 2021 07:07 PM (mD/uy)

Great read, you will be entertained!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Lie back and think of the sweet graft! ~ at December 12, 2021 07:36 PM (hOUT3)

105 Mea Culpa. Had opportunity to go to the range today. Took a nap instead.
On the plus side, Mrs. R said she's on board with a Ruger Precison Rimfire .22.

She has conditions . . .

Posted by: RI Red at December 12, 2021 07:37 PM (a8b7P)

106 100 nurse ratched

Can you pull a G 42 out of your hat?
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at December 12, 2021 07:34 PM (u82oZ)

That trick never works!

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 12, 2021 07:37 PM (U2p+3)

107 QUESTION FOR THE GROUP:
Would there be any interest in a precision reloading class at next year's TXMoMe?

Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 07:27

I am always up for a little learning.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at December 12, 2021 07:33 PM (mcfjc)
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I'd do it outside the regular clinic - maybe the day before - if our hosts are game.

Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 07:37 PM (0IeYL)

108 CCI now sells direct to customers
Posted by: whig at December 12, 2021 07:31 PM (9hXN1)
Much obliged. I will go check out their website now.
Will you follow-up as you get it sorted out?
Posted by: Weasel
Yup. Will do. The seller has gone dark (oh-oh). But is supposedly attending a nearby gun show on the 18th. So maybe I will go to my first gun show and see how completely he is going to stand by his verbal guarantee.
In any case. In my life, I have had good/learning experiences trying to figure out problems with cars etc. So I hope to get this sorted, rather than just return the gun to the seller. But we will see.

Posted by: MikeM at December 12, 2021 07:38 PM (YsLaz)

109 Posted by: MikeM at December 12, 2021 07:38 PM (YsLaz)
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Excellent! Thanks.

Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 07:39 PM (0IeYL)

110 I have been using the Mantis X system for a few years. I got it to help me learn how to shoot revolvers in double action. It helped me tremendously. I was able to try different grips, trigger finger positions, and trigger squeeze approaches while Mantis X showed how each effected the steadiness of the sight. I highly recommend it.

Posted by: Zogger at December 12, 2021 07:39 PM (pJSvF)

111 Posted by: Zogger at December 12, 2021 07:39 PM (pJSvF)
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Thanks Zogger! Welcome to the Gun Thread!

Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 07:40 PM (0IeYL)

112 Ha, ha. When I just DDGed "DT-28" without having added "firearm", all the first links were for Deuteronomy 28!

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at December 12, 2021 07:40 PM (UHVv4)

113 Weasel, I'm gonna say that is a not because most want you to teach them about the aspects of long range shooting with commercially available ammo.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 12, 2021 07:40 PM (KNw+7)

114 105 She has conditions . . .

Posted by: RI Red at December 12, 2021 07:37 PM

That she attend the next TXMoMe?

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at December 12, 2021 07:40 PM (mcfjc)

115 Yikes, need a lecture on a sidearm?
Posted by: Pete Bog at December 12, 2021 07:32 PM

In verse 38 in the ancient Viking Edda poem Havamal, Vikings were given this advice:

Let a man never stir on his road a step
without his weapons of war;
for unsure is the knowing when need shall arise
of a spear on the way without

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 12, 2021 07:41 PM (a3Q+t)

116
Posted by: Ben Had at December 12, 2021 07:40 PM (KNw+7)
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Makes sense!

Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 07:41 PM (0IeYL)

117 I'm going to be *that guy* and ask about how thoroughly it's been cleaned. And lubricated.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd
Nope. No offense taken. Happy for any ideas.I appreciate it. After my first trip to the range. I completed stripped and cleaned and lubricated the gun that night. And had some new ammo. But the next day at the range, still no good.
People on YT, responding to Hickok or whomever, mention a lot of problems with this gun, ammunition problems etc.

Posted by: MikeM at December 12, 2021 07:41 PM (YsLaz)

118 With black powder loading is a must before you shoot.
LaMat is nice buy I rather have a Colt Dragoon

Posted by: Skip at December 12, 2021 07:41 PM (2JoB8)

119 Spielberg redid west side story?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 12, 2021 07:41 PM (csEWM)

120 Ed L had it correct - DP-28 (pulyamot Degtyareva), I had "DT" - though is a nomenclature thing with that platform, there were 2 or 3 designations due to re-designs etc., but as I recall it was in the number, not the letters.

Standard Red Army light machine gun of the Great Patriotic War.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 12, 2021 07:42 PM (OTzUX)

121 Standard Red Army light machine gun of the Great Patriotic War.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 12, 2021 07:42 PM (OTzUX)

'Stalin's Record Player'?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 12, 2021 07:43 PM (csEWM)

122 I'll have to use "Kentucky windage" next time. These replicas don't have adjustable sights (unfortunately).

Posted by: Ed L

EdL,
Elevation should be adjustable for the front sight as your replica appears to use the std. front sight gas block. You use either a bullet tip (expedient method) or a sight adjustment tool.

Posted by: whig at December 12, 2021 07:43 PM (9hXN1)

123 Mantis X system
Posted by: Zogger
Very happy with my MantisX also, with a 9mm. How does it mount on a revolver?

Posted by: MikeM at December 12, 2021 07:43 PM (YsLaz)

124 Spielberg redid west side story?

And bombed. Turned out there wasn't a market for a wokified West Side Story.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 12, 2021 07:44 PM (I2/tG)

125 Beautiful afternoon in West Michigan, last day of Black Powder.
Couldn't hit a paper plate from 20 feet away with the .22 pistol.
Had to do math without a calculator in the woods as well.

Posted by: Auspex at December 12, 2021 07:44 PM (Xo3T0)

126 The Fat Man came early for my furry ass this year.

I had entered a raffle drawing for a 1903 Springfield Mark I way back in August at a gun range I visit periodically.

I forgot all about it and they called last week to say I was the winner. Shit, I never win anything.
I picked her up Friday and got her home and cleaned her up. Barrel is dated 1/19 and the bolt is correct with the swept back handle, but the stock is wrong with no relief under the Pederson device cutout and the mag cut off/on switch is a standard one and not the original "W". Barrel does have a "P" with small letters to the side marking back toward the chamber but no markings whatsoever on the stock. Receiver is in the 1050000 range and has the Hatcher hole.

I will shoot and zero her and maybe donate her to a certain group of morons who meet in Texas every year for a door prize.

Not bad for $20.00.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 12, 2021 07:44 PM (R/m4+)

127 QUESTION FOR THE GROUP:
Would there be any interest in a precision reloading class at next year's TXMoMe?
Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 07:27 PM (0IeYL)

You are kidding me. Right, Boss?

Posted by: RI Red at December 12, 2021 07:44 PM (a8b7P)

128 Posted by: Auspex at December 12, 2021 07:44 PM (Xo3T0)
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Howdy Auspex, welcome!

Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 07:45 PM (0IeYL)

129 QUESTION FOR THE GROUP:
Would there be any interest in a precision reloading class at next year's TXMoMe?

*raises hand*

Posted by: Oddbob at December 12, 2021 07:45 PM (nfrXX)

130 nurse -
my winter standard is a shoulder holster

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (03BbD) at December 12, 2021 07:45 PM (03BbD)

131 But the next day at the range, still no good.
People on YT, responding to Hickok or whomever, mention a lot of problems with this gun, ammunition problems etc.

Posted by: MikeM at December 12, 2021 07:41 PM (YsLaz)
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Depending on the age, the next thing I can think of is springs.

But really, it's hard to say without handling the thing. A friend of mine was having terrible trouble with his pistol - it was locking open, not cycling well, all sorts of problems - so I took a try.

Ran fine. Turned out, he was using that "thumb forward" style and jamming the slide with his grip. I realized it when I was watching him shoot.

Maybe have someone watch you to see if you're doing anything like that.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 12, 2021 07:46 PM (llXky)

132 Ed L is of course correct, the Soviets rarely threw anything away that might prove useful, especially in the area of armaments.

Which is why just a few years ago you could buy your own crate of Mosin-Nagant rifles, stuffed with gunz, bayonets, slings, and straw, for ..... forget ...... about $100/rifle? Fresh from the warehouses in Ukraine and Russia where they were sent after re-arsenaling in the 60s and 70s.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 12, 2021 07:46 PM (OTzUX)

133 14....

My deer season washed out as well. Caught WuFlu and couldn't hunt first season (MN Season A), and the only deer that managed to come in range during Season B was a fork horn buck. Passed on the little guy, so no deer for me this year.

Posted by: PacosMojo at December 12, 2021 07:46 PM (cOyfh)

134 I know. Late. Just finished supper meatloaf 1/3 wild pig, 1/3 venison, 1/3 plain old beef. Mashed potatoes, and steamed asparagus. Watched the guy Matt with She Equips Herself talking about firearm choices. He's right. All you TxMoMe attendees and potential attendees listen up. If there is something you'd like to try...by all means...make your request known. There's a good possibility that one of the morons here has what you want to try. It never hurts to ask and October of 22 is just around the corner. So to speak.

Posted by: Eromero at December 12, 2021 07:46 PM (0OP+5)

135 Posted by: whig at December 12, 2021 07:30 PM (9hXN1)
Whig, my platoon sergeant and another E-5 in my platoon spent time with MACV-SOG (67-68 or thereabouts, I think). They carried them for a while, until officers pulled rank and took them away. Both saw some USAF Air Police with the USAF version, but the Air Police weren't willing the trade their weapons away for M-16A1s.
Last I checked, Brownells still has a replica of the XM177 in its catalog, but it's out of stock.

Posted by: Ed L at December 12, 2021 07:46 PM (NacE+)

136 I should have saved the video, in Puerto Rico a gang hit with sure seemed full auto weapons by hearing and seeing.
Saw it yesterday or Friday but can't find it.

Posted by: Skip at December 12, 2021 07:47 PM (2JoB8)

137 One of my M1s has a slipping elevation pinion on the rear sight. I will be definitely reading that linked article. I'll probably just take it apart and replace some parts. Dang thing slips during shooting, so 13 clicks is about 4 after a few clips.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 12, 2021 07:47 PM (OTzUX)

138 Spielberg redid west side story?
And bombed. Turned out there wasn't a market for a wokified West Side Story.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 12, 2021 07:44 PM (I2/tG)

*T/D*

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Lie back and think of the sweet graft! ~ at December 12, 2021 07:47 PM (hOUT3)

139
You are kidding me. Right, Boss?
Posted by: RI Red at December 12, 2021 07:44 PM (a8b7P)
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We can try and work something in that hits the high points!

Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 07:47 PM (0IeYL)

140 I just watched the WW2 Battles in Color for Kursk just yesterday and the DT-28, the Pupushka [sp wrong I know!], and Mosin-Nagant rifles, always with bayonets fixed, were strongly in evidence even for the famous tank battle.

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at December 12, 2021 07:48 PM (UHVv4)

141 That fully auto 1911 .45 would definitely get your attention.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at December 12, 2021 07:48 PM (jTmQV)

142 Hello horde!

The rifle shoot was cancelled yesterday due to heavy rain and absent SO's, but on the plus side I got myself a .22 LR barrel for my Thompson Contender at the Fun Show yesterday. Now I need to wait for the rain to stop for a few minutes so I can go out back and try it out.

Trivia from the top picture, note the blackboard refers to the AKM, not AK-47. The AKM is the improved model that replaced the AK-47 in 1959. It has several minor changes mostly related to ease of manufacture as well as some reliability enhancements. The majority of 7.62x39mm AKs built around the world are actually AKMs, not AK-47s.

Carry on!

Posted by: Lazy Messenger at December 12, 2021 07:48 PM (KP12d)

143 hiya

Posted by: JT at December 12, 2021 07:49 PM (arJlL)

144 If there is something you'd like to try...by all means...make your request known. There's a good possibility that one of the morons here has what you want to try. It never hurts to ask and October of 22 is just around the corner. So to speak.
Posted by: Eromero

I'm dying to try a phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range.

Posted by: Tonypete at December 12, 2021 07:49 PM (mD/uy)

145 Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 07:17 PM (0IeYL)
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Not much, not much. Just living the life.

Posted by: Thicc Boi at December 12, 2021 07:50 PM (zThcc)

146 MikeM, Check the chamber as a rough chamber can fail to extract properly. Those can be polished out.

See if a cleaned extracted .22 LR fired casing or .22 LR dummy function testing cartridges go into and out of the chamber. If it sticks when manually working the fired casing or the dummy function testing round in and out of the chamber, then you might need to have the chamber polished.

The other, if it is well used, could be a worn ejector and/or extractor.
A function testing cartridge dummy should show you if that it the case as well.

Posted by: whig at December 12, 2021 07:50 PM (9hXN1)

147 132 Ed L is of course correct, the Soviets rarely threw anything away that might prove useful, especially in the area of armaments.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 12, 2021 07:46 PM (OTzUX)
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See also: ammo explosions due to unstable, improperly stored munitions.

This seems to be a Russian specialty.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 12, 2021 07:51 PM (llXky)

148 Another thing... I have a 50 can sized ammo box with approximately 450 rounds of 303 British.
I want a buck a round plus shipping, or if you find yourself near Laramie, you can come pick it up.
It is mostly HXP (Greek), but I will count and inventory it for a serious buyer.
All factory ammo though, no reloads.
Weasel has my permission to pass contact info...

Posted by: jesse in dc at December 12, 2021 07:51 PM (kTRt4)

149 I just placed an order for the Sea Foam Deep Creep. From the reviews and last week's discussion, it will have a lot of uses around Chez JTB.

It's information about such things that help make the gun thread so valuable.

Posted by: JTB at December 12, 2021 07:51 PM (7EjX1)

150 Whig thank you again. Order placed on CCI website.

Posted by: MikeM at December 12, 2021 07:51 PM (YsLaz)

151 I've had a pocket holster for years. Works just fine.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 12, 2021 07:51 PM (axyOa)

152 No interest in a reloading clinic, but we would be very interested in your shooting clinic, Mr. Weasel-Wan Kenobi.

Posted by: Imperial Stormtroopers at December 12, 2021 07:53 PM (a3Q+t)

153 Once had tea in the house of one of the first Vietnamese interpreters for MAC-V, out in Tan Sonh Nut near the airport. Ethnic Chinese guy. His photo albums were amazing - Bunker, all the faces from early Vietnam War.

He'd skedaddled to Cambodia (!) a week before Saigon fell, lived in commie China for a while (it's a Chinese thing), then finally returned when the water temperature was acceptable. Guy lived in a modest little house in a "middle class" area of Ho Chi Minh City - but he owned many beautiful big houses in Cha Lon (Chinatown) and Vung Tau .... rented out to foreign businessmen.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 12, 2021 07:53 PM (OTzUX)

154 Guns!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 12, 2021 07:53 PM (eeRB6)

155 I never got use to a pocket holster and then my EDC gained some weight anyway so I switched to 3-4 o'clock OWB for winter. Still searching for the perfect fit for summer.

Le sigh.

Posted by: Tonypete at December 12, 2021 07:54 PM (mD/uy)

156 135 Ed L. Cool story, my father had an officer buddy that carried one as an advisor during the early parts of Vietnam Conflict and liked it--he spent time up country among the Hmong.

Posted by: whig at December 12, 2021 07:54 PM (9hXN1)

157 Pillage!! Congrats on the deer!! That backstrap must taste good. :-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at December 12, 2021 07:08 PM

If I could shoot like Weasel and cook like CBD, I would be a fat, happy bastard on just venison!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at December 12, 2021 07:54 PM (tkyK5)

158 I'll be going primitive for the rest of this month. Rifle season was over yesterday, and I managed to put one deer on the canning shelf, but I saved a tag for the after-Christmas flintlock season. It's my favorite deer season of all. Last year I used a Traditions Pennsylvania .50, but this year I'm hunting in a little bit thicker conditions, so I'll probably break out the Lyman Great Plains .50 for that. Smokepoling (which is NOT the same as polesmoking TYVM) in the winter is some of the best Gun Fun a person can have.

Posted by: Pennsyltucky at December 12, 2021 07:55 PM (lNHqD)

159 132 Ed L is of course correct, the Soviets rarely threw anything away that might prove useful, especially in the area of armaments.

I can't remember where I read it, but apparently the Table of Equipment for the Lend Lease M5 Stuart tanks we sent the Russies during the Great Patriotic War included Thompson SMGs for the crew. And they still have them, unused, unfired, in some depot or another.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at December 12, 2021 07:55 PM (CmPBR)

160 150 MikeM, You are welcome.

All it may be that your Beretta needs a bit more umph which CCI mini mags generally provide.

Posted by: whig at December 12, 2021 07:55 PM (9hXN1)

161 Ed L is of course correct, the Soviets rarely threw anything away that might prove useful, especially in the area of armaments.

Which is why just a few years ago you could buy your own crate of Mosin-Nagant rifles, stuffed with gunz, bayonets, slings, and straw, for ..... forget ...... about $100/rifle? Fresh from the warehouses in Ukraine and Russia where they were sent after re-arsenaling in the 60s and 70s.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 12, 2021 07:46 PM

The Soviets kept the M1928 Thompson's issued with the over 900 M3 Stuart tanks we gave them under lend lease in storage until well after the war. Some of them wound up back in the US and most went into the parts bin after the USSR broke up after the end of the Cold War. There were 5 issued for each tank we gave them.

Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at December 12, 2021 07:56 PM (bVYXr)

162 Well I am about to be the proud owner if an Ishapore 7.62x51....as soon as I find a C&R dealer to do the transfer, probably Monday.

I am excite. Got it for under $400 before tax, transfer, etc. So fairly happy. I decided I wanted a good, reliable iron-sight bolt gun in 7.62 and I didn't really want to pay the money for a Tikka Arctic.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 12, 2021 07:56 PM (eeRB6)

163 157 Posted by: Pillage Idiot at December 12, 2021 07:54 PM (tkyK5)

I think venison is to lean for you to be fat. Happy, yes. Fat? No?

:-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at December 12, 2021 07:56 PM (mcfjc)

164 Posted by: Imperial Stormtroopers at December 12, 2021 07:53 PM (a3Q+t)
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Well you are most welcome to attend the clinic. And welcome to the Gun Thread!

Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 07:56 PM (0IeYL)

165 Howdy, Horde!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at December 12, 2021 07:56 PM (tkyK5)

166 137 Rhomboid, if you ever need an expedient fix for something like that pinion--heavy grease can work in a pinch as it provides enough resistance to jarring by recoil for it to continue to hold position.

Posted by: whig at December 12, 2021 07:56 PM (9hXN1)

167 Good grief - long day on the road... I just dozed off and snored myself awake! I guess it's gonna be a g'nite to all from me. I'll catch up tomorrow!

ThanX! Weasel, later all!

McGyver, out

Posted by: McGyver at December 12, 2021 07:57 PM (aO0c5)

168 Weasel is an amazing font of knowledge and I suggest that an hour or two may whet your interest but this is a life time study.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 12, 2021 07:57 PM (KNw+7)

169 I carry a .380 Bodyguard in a De Santis holster in my pocket. Similar to carrying an iPhone in your pocket.

Posted by: Just a side note at December 12, 2021 07:57 PM (HaNEn)

170 Posted by: whig at December 12, 2021 07:43 PM (9hXN1)
Whig, if the sights are adjustable, they must be really stiff. I tried using the tip of a dummy round and a sight adjustment tool, but I didn't want to risk mucking up a collector's item by scratching it up.

Posted by: Ed L at December 12, 2021 07:57 PM (NacE+)

171 See also: ammo explosions due to unstable, improperly stored munitions.

This seems to be a Russian specialty.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 12, 2021 07:51 PM

A specialty who's reputation was enhanced during a certain unpleasantness ~50+ years ago by the selective distribution of "bolo beans".

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 12, 2021 07:57 PM (a3Q+t)

172 162 MAE, that is a good price if it comes with the mag. Good find.

Posted by: whig at December 12, 2021 07:57 PM (9hXN1)

173 andycanuck, you were looking for "papasha", of PPsh-41, my grail gun. I'd also accept a PPsh-40, the forged metal version. These were instantly very popular with the invading Wehrmacht, which of course captured a crap-ton of them. You can see them in German footage, even in the newsreels (Deutsche Wochenschau) being carried by Wehrmacht soldiers.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 12, 2021 07:57 PM (OTzUX)

174 Another thing... I have a 50 can sized ammo box with approximately 450 rounds of 303 British.
I want a buck a round plus shipping, or if you find yourself near Laramie, you can come pick it up.
It is mostly HXP (Greek), but I will count and inventory it for a serious buyer.
All factory ammo though, no reloads.
Weasel has my permission to pass contact info...

Posted by: jesse in dc at December 12, 2021 07:51 PM (kTRt4)

Had a chance to buy an Enfield for $99 a few years ago. Bought a K31 Karabiner instead, so I don't need any .303, but I do have an MGB question for you....

Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 12, 2021 07:59 PM (7bRMQ)

175 I carry a .380 Bodyguard in a De Santis holster in my pocket. Similar to carrying an iPhone in your pocket.

Posted by: Just a side note at December 12, 2021 07:57 PM (HaNEn)
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Wait, Florida's governor has his own line of holsters??

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 12, 2021 07:59 PM (llXky)

176 Posted by: McGyver at December 12, 2021 07:57 PM (aO0c5)
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'nite amigo!

Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 07:59 PM (0IeYL)

177 Scuba Dude, good evening!
The TXMOME attendance for Mrs. Red is a given.
It may have something to do with a pink bunny suit.

Posted by: RI Red at December 12, 2021 08:00 PM (a8b7P)

178 Trying to guesstimate how many rounds of Soviet/eastbloc surplus 54R I've shot, without a problem - probably somewhere 2-3,000. Once did have some untrustworthy 54R yellow tip (heavy ball, 182g) given to me by a fellow RO, tossed 'em after 2 or 3 "click ..... 1/2 second ..... bang!" rounds. I figure temperature, and most likely during my friend's custody of them. Those vaccuum sealed spam cans of Soviet ammo keep quite well in most conditions.

And as I saw in the Far East, the Soviets had some pretty impressive low-tech storage designs that avoided extreme temps.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 12, 2021 08:00 PM (OTzUX)

179 Posted by: Ed L at December 12, 2021 07:46 PM (NacE+)

Circa 1970 we had a long standing deal with the local Seal team. We provided steak and eggs, scrounged by my NCO's, for K-54 pistols they recovered. K-54's were hot at the time. Traded them for steak and eggs.

Posted by: Javems at December 12, 2021 08:00 PM (AmoqO)

180 Another thing... I have a 50 can sized ammo box with approximately 450 rounds of 303 British.
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You wouldn't be able to mail it here but my nephew has a WW1 Lee-Enfield so... cool!

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at December 12, 2021 08:01 PM (UHVv4)

181 Weasel! Thank you for the thread and the content.
Interesting experience this week that involved 2 trips to the range. Bought a very used Beretta 21A, aka, bobcat, wood grips. It came with 100 rounds of ammo. I thought it might be interesting to try a super small gun/mouse gun. This beretta is somewhat interesting as it has a tip up barrel.
At the range, the gun would not cycle = the spent cartridge would either not eject, or would get stuck in interesting ways in the ejection port area.
I ran to a nearby Cabelas to get some different ammo. Still no good.
I went back the next day to the range with more different ammo, still no good.
There are a lot of reviews of this particular gun on YT. With a lot of similar problems, and suggested solutions. Most people have found that CCI ammo works well, but that is not obtainable in my neck of the woods.

Sort of just sharing my week.
Posted by: MikeM at December 12, 2021 07:30 PM (YsLaz)

My best friend has this exact pistol. For him, and his wife before she passed, it would only digest CCI's MiniMags reliably. Nothing else.

Posted by: Agitator at December 12, 2021 08:01 PM (KzbMc)

182 Speaking of Russians (apparently), range trip yesterday featured a Bulgarian Makarov in 9mm Mak of course.

These 8 shot single stack pistols run like a truck, I've had the safety come loose and still keep firing. (But don't keep firing once you notice the safety is swinging loose)

The sights are fine and a little hard to pick up but they have lots of daylight on either side of that super thing, Walther PP style front sight. That, plus the fixed barrel and a good SA trigger press makes for a very accurate pistol. Very.

Present and fire drills (two shots each) put everything in 10 ring and damn near everything but 3 rounds out of 20 in the X ring at 7 yards. The real enemy is just the usual trigger jerking.

I can't really endorse carrying a 8 shot DA/SA pistol when you can get a 15 round 9mm for roughly the same size and weight, but it's a good range toy and a man could do much worse if he needed to poke holes in someone 8 times.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 12, 2021 08:01 PM (eeRB6)

183 It may have something to do with a pink bunny suit.
Posted by: RI Red at December 12, 2021 08:00 PM

Can we skip that, and go straight to the Red Ryder?

Posted by: Ralphie at December 12, 2021 08:01 PM (a3Q+t)

184 Ran fine. Turned out, he was using that "thumb forward" style and jamming the slide with his grip. I realized it when I was watching him shoot.
Maybe have someone watch you to see if you're doing anything like that.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner
Check the chamber as a rough chamber can fail to extract properly. Those can be polished out. Posted by: whig
Much appreciated both of you.
About the polishing, yes, one YT commenter suggested that. A simple procedure with some super fine emory type material (he called it crocus cloth).
And about the way I am holding the gun. You may be right. The reason I say that is that I did take a couple shots after cleaning and lube at a nearby, but safe location, and the gun worked fine. But it was only two shots. Then I went to the range and it was a shxtshow. So that was a bit of a mystery to me. But if I am jamming the slide with my grip, that would make sense. When I carefully aim, use two hands etc, I am messing up the gun.

Posted by: MikeM at December 12, 2021 08:02 PM (YsLaz)

185 177 It may have something to do with a pink bunny suit.

Posted by: RI Red at December 12, 2021 08:00 PM

Careful what you wear to the range, just might be wabbit season. LOL

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at December 12, 2021 08:02 PM (mcfjc)

186 Hey y'all! Jesse and I hit the range Saturday. I shot the P365, which I hadn't shot since my embarrassingly bad day at the range in Texas (literally no shots on paper). I shot only 10 rounds this time. I put the target at 15 ft. 1st few shots... not on paper. Range Master Roy had given me a fresh piece of cardboard so I was able to see holes a couple inches below the paper. OK. This is helpful info. I adjust my sight alignment and try again. 6 of 10 shots on paper, most of them low. But a little better. After we got home Jesse measured the sights and found a slight difference between the front and rear, so it's possible they may need adjusting to work for my vision. I'm probably still flinching (although Jesse watches my hands and doesn't see anything obvious).

I finished up with the S&W model 1917 .45, which I hadn't shot in awhile. I tend to be a little high with it, and the grips aren't quite comfortable, it feels a little contorted to get my finger on the right spot on the trigger. It's still fun to shoot.

My target isn't pretty but I made progress. I have some info to work with.

Posted by: screaming in digital at December 12, 2021 08:02 PM (kTRt4)

187 162 Well I am about to be the proud owner if an Ishapore 7.62x51....as soon as I find a C&R dealer to do the transfer, probably Monday.

I am excite. Got it for under $400 before tax, transfer, etc. So fairly happy. I decided I wanted a good, reliable iron-sight bolt gun in 7.62 and I didn't really want to pay the money for a Tikka Arctic.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 12, 2021 07:56 PM (eeRB6)

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Good choice. The Ishapore #1 MkIII 7.62 is probably the best shooting of all the SMLE variants. You'll love it.

Posted by: Pennsyltucky at December 12, 2021 08:02 PM (lNHqD)

188 A bit of a mea culpa here, but I've largely tuned out the reloading stuff because I don't have a lot of time and ammo used to be plentiful.

But as I've dived down the rabbit hole of archaic calibers, I'm probably going to have to learn the craft.

I just wish *someone* would put .32 H&R Magnum back into production again.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 12, 2021 08:02 PM (llXky)

189 Posted by: Agitator at December 12, 2021 08:01 PM (KzbMc)
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Welcome, Agitator!

Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 08:02 PM (0IeYL)

190 170 EdL. Those front sights if not moved can have some stiff resistance. I would be seriously surprised if the front sights were permanently fixed. You might find an owners manual online that would tell you or buy a reprint from somewhere like Ebay/Gunbroker.

Alternatively, try some Kroil (or other penetrating oil) and light tapping all around the periphery of the sight itself with something like a non marring punch and a brass hammer. If the sight depresses at all, then it is adjustable, just stiff--possibly has crud in the spring making it difficult to compress.

Posted by: whig at December 12, 2021 08:03 PM (9hXN1)

191 163 ... "I think venison is to lean for you to be fat. Happy, yes. Fat? No?"

In Louis L' Amour's 'Jubal Sackett' Jubal is looking for a fat bear to hunt because the venison is too lean and his body needed fat to fuel him.

Posted by: JTB at December 12, 2021 08:03 PM (7EjX1)

192 LeMat made good guns, he also made a rifle with a single over/under shotgun chamber. Good for variable hunting I suppose, or just "oh crap" moments.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 12, 2021 08:04 PM (KZzsI)

193 andycanuck, you were looking for "papasha", of PPsh-41, my grail gun.
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I think I get its real nickname conflated with 'babushka' and that's why I always get it wrong!

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at December 12, 2021 08:04 PM (UHVv4)

194 that is a good price if it comes with the mag. Good find.
Posted by: whig at December 12, 2021 07:57 PM (9hXN1)

Does come with a mag, spending another 60(!) for a second new mfg from Numrich + some M14 5 round stripper clips to toy with.

Fingers crossed that the rifle is in good shape, hard to tell from photos online.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 12, 2021 08:04 PM (eeRB6)

195 Posted by: screaming in digital at December 12, 2021 08:02 PM (kTRt4)
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Excellent! Identify the problem and work logically and methodically to correct it. Perfect!

Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 08:05 PM (0IeYL)

196 So apparently Helen Mirren is hosting a Harry Potter game show.

That's pretty interesting.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 12, 2021 08:05 PM (z24xU)

197 Okay ... de-lurkiing here by a longish reader. Weasel, your were one of the motivators for me. Thanks! I'd shot some target as a kid, got away from it, and aged ... some. (LOL) So I've completed my IL CCL and am awaiting bureaucrats. I'm getting to the range weekly with a group that meets on Sundays, and I'm getting coaching with a former IPDA guy. Alas, I've learned just how many dealers will not sell into Cook County: no ammo from Palmetto, no guns from Brownells, not even in person, though they will sell you ammo in the store. Thanks for the inspiration and kick in the a** Weasel.

Posted by: secondcitylurker at December 12, 2021 08:05 PM (MEbkQ)

198 Mister Scot - great info. Didn't know about the Thompsons.

My favorite recent-ish related story was the discovery of 5K (?) Sturmgewehr 44s in Syria during the start of their little unpleasantness by rebels, in a guvamint warehouse. Makes perfect sense - probably very early Soviet aid under their Friendship and Cooperation treaty, the 1970s. Soviets would send lots of WWII stuff, mostly their own, to their allies or partners around the world.

Never did hear what happened to those. Talk about a treasure trove discovery. I assume they were unissued, in the straw, probably taken by the Red Army at the end of the war.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 12, 2021 08:05 PM (OTzUX)

199 RI Red, can't wait to meet the Mrs.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 12, 2021 08:05 PM (KNw+7)

200 186 My target isn't pretty but I made progress. I have some info to work with.

Posted by: screaming in digital at December 12, 2021 08:02 PM

Good to hear you made progress SID. Keep up with the practicing and we will be reading about smaller groups at longer distances.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at December 12, 2021 08:05 PM (mcfjc)

201 Whig, my platoon sergeant and another E-5 in my platoon spent time with MACV-SOG (67-68 or thereabouts, I think). They carried them for a while, until officers pulled rank and took them away. Both saw some USAF Air Police with the USAF version, but the Air Police weren't willing the trade their weapons away for M-16A1s.
Last I checked, Brownells still has a replica of the XM177 in its catalog, but it's out of stock.
Posted by: Ed L at December 12, 2021 07:46 PM (NacE+)

Officers who did that in my sergeant's unit had better be doing their field time or they were advised to take a guard to every visit to a latrine.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 12, 2021 08:06 PM (axyOa)

202 This is off-topic, and yet it isn't. You mentioned up thread that we are losing our heroes from WW2. We're losing those from the Vietnam War too. My twin brother had a heart attack Wednesday and made it to the hospital but his heart has stopped twice since. I'm afraid tomorrow I have to say goodbye.

And he was a hero. I once described here how he won his silver star. His bronze star with a v was so unbelievable I don't think they could put it in a movie. His battalion's job was to make a base safe. He would tour at nightfall. If the villages were noisy--cooking, children playing--he knew it would be a quiet night. Quiet villages: probably an attack. Once he and two of his men surprised an entire battalion. "So I drove through the side of the building," he said. "WHAT?" I said. "It was a flimsy building." And he and his men set their jeeps up in a triangle and took on the battalion. They were rescued by helicopters. One very big one, others for defense. They unscrewed their machine guns from the hoods of their jeeps and one by one were pulled up a pole to the big helicopter, shooting their way up.

Oh, buddy, I'm going to miss you.

Posted by: Wenda at December 12, 2021 08:07 PM (tHGM4)

203 Oh ... for the other old-timers out there ... Making the transition to a modern Stryker fired pistol is VERY interesting/educational. Though I still love my 1911

Posted by: secondcitylurker at December 12, 2021 08:07 PM (MEbkQ)

204 The late 1800s were a great, inventive, fascinating explosion in gun design. Some stupid crazy crap was tried and discarded, a lot of brilliant stuff was invented, and some great ideas that should have stuck around were abandoned (like the revolving shotgun). Gun design has kind of slowed in recent years, like we've either run out of ideas, or there's not much left to figure out for percussion black powder weapons.

I liked ideas like gyrojet rounds and electrothermal but neither was really practical.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 12, 2021 08:07 PM (KZzsI)

205 Posted by: secondcitylurker at December 12, 2021 08:05 PM (MEbkQ)
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Howdy and welcome to the Gun Thread! Very happy to hear you're finding the thread useful. Please let us know how the practice and coaching goes!

Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 08:07 PM (0IeYL)

206 And about the way I am holding the gun. You may be right. The reason I say that is that I did take a couple shots after cleaning and lube at a nearby, but safe location, and the gun worked fine. But it was only two shots. Then I went to the range and it was a shxtshow. So that was a bit of a mystery to me. But if I am jamming the slide with my grip, that would make sense. When I carefully aim, use two hands etc, I am messing up the gun.

Posted by: MikeM at December 12, 2021 08:02 PM (YsLaz)
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My friend is not a novice - he knew his way around guns, but the frame in question was something he wasn't use to. It's just something to look at because while we think autoloaders just sort of work, you can inadvertently make them stop.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 12, 2021 08:08 PM (llXky)

207 Sorry to hear about your loss Wenda. :-(

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at December 12, 2021 08:09 PM (mcfjc)

208 probably taken by the Red Army at the end of the war.

Some Russian army officer probably grabbed them all and sold them through a wheeler dealer relative in the Russian mob.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 12, 2021 08:09 PM (KZzsI)

209 whig, thanks. I did put the recommended little bit of grease on the pinion when re-assembling after the total take-down/cleaning when I first got the rifle from CMP. No trouble until recently. Will disassemble, clean, grease, see if it will hold. If not, there are sight parts available.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 12, 2021 08:09 PM (OTzUX)

210 191 163 ... "I think venison is to lean for you to be fat. Happy, yes. Fat? No?"

In Louis L' Amour's 'Jubal Sackett' Jubal is looking for a fat bear to hunt because the venison is too lean and his body needed fat to fuel him.

Posted by: JTB at December 12, 2021 08:03 PM

My wife just did a pasta dish with 1/2 sausage and 1/2 deer burger, sauteed mushrooms, and a cream reduction sauce.

The lean and the fat went together perfectly!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at December 12, 2021 08:10 PM (tkyK5)

211 So apparently Helen Mirren is hosting a Harry Potter game show.

That's pretty interesting.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 12, 2021 08:05 PM (z24xU)
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To whom?

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 12, 2021 08:10 PM (llXky)

212 Posted by: Wenda at December 12, 2021 08:07 PM (tHGM4)
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Thank you for sharing the story, Wenda. He won't truly be gone as long as you remember him.

Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 08:10 PM (0IeYL)

213 Javems at December 12, 2021 08:00 PM (AmoqO)
Sadly, you can't use your deployments to collect modern military firearms captured from the bad guys anymore.

Posted by: Ed L at December 12, 2021 08:11 PM (NacE+)

214 Fingers crossed that the rifle is in good shape, hard to tell from photos online.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

The major issue with those 7.62's were not so much wear as generous head space in some of them. If you have a 7.62 Field gauge, you might want to check that. If the headspace and chamber is a bit on the long side, consider only firing steel cased 7.62 Nato in it. The Russian/Ukrainian 7.62 steel cases don't stretch much and are generally loaded on the mild side.

The other issue is making sure that the bolt head clocks properly and does not overclock. Replacement bolt heads are around and it is relatively easy to fit a new one if necessary with hand tools.

Posted by: whig at December 12, 2021 08:12 PM (9hXN1)

215 R.I.P., Wenda. Take care.

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at December 12, 2021 08:13 PM (UHVv4)

216 Weasel,

I would definitely attend the MoMe reloading class.

However, I believe at least two of the "yes" answers above are from people that already reload their own ammo.

You might need an "intro" to reloading portion for the noobs, and then move into the "advanced" class where the noobs can at least follow the terminology.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at December 12, 2021 08:14 PM (tkyK5)

217 I'm going prepper for dinner tonight and having Mountain House freezed dried chicken and noodles . Package only 10 years old.

Posted by: Just a side note at December 12, 2021 08:15 PM (HaNEn)

218 Weasel, thanks for another gun thread!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at December 12, 2021 08:15 PM (tkyK5)

219 213 Javems at December 12, 2021 08:00 PM (AmoqO)
Sadly, you can't use your deployments to collect modern military firearms captured from the bad guys anymore.

Posted by: Ed L at December 12, 2021 08:11 PM

Yeah, not sure when that ended. I had the opportunity, just not the desire.

Posted by: Javems at December 12, 2021 08:16 PM (AmoqO)

220 They unscrewed their machine guns from the hoods of their jeeps and one by one were pulled up a pole to the big helicopter, shooting their way up.
Posted by: Wenda
Woah. That is insane. I would have gotten up to the heli and thought, no way I lived through that.

Posted by: MikeM at December 12, 2021 08:16 PM (YsLaz)

221 Wendy, good story and history. Thanks for sharing.
American soldiers are/were the best.

Posted by: RI Red at December 12, 2021 08:17 PM (a8b7P)

222 Ugh...hate filling out Christmas cards.

Posted by: That Guy What Always Says Yeah Buddy TM at December 12, 2021 08:17 PM (R5lpX)

223 Sadly, you can't use your deployments to collect modern military firearms captured from the bad guys anymore.

"Or even gold and fine china you find German homes, dammit"
--Captain Speirs

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 12, 2021 08:17 PM (KZzsI)

224 I would definitely attend the MoMe reloading class.

However, I believe at least two of the "yes" answers above are from people that already reload their own ammo.

You might need an "intro" to reloading portion for the noobs, and then move into the "advanced" class where the noobs can at least follow the terminology.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at December 12, 2021 08:14 PM (tkyK5)
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Let me think of a good way to work it into the time we have. Ben Had makes a good point, one that I have previously considered, that it'd likely have very limited appeal since most people shoot commercial ammo. We'll figure something out!

Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 08:17 PM (0IeYL)

225 205 Please let us know how the practice and coaching goes!

Yeah ... moving from target to combat and focusing on mechanics and platform is/was a huge shift. But I'm finally seeing consistent results. FWIW - it helped to to change up training drills regularly around some variation of the 5x5 drill. That really moves me away from aiming and back into "seeing and shooting." My platform is good enough that pushing up from 1shot/sec to 5/second actually improves my performance. And holding off any analysis until 5 shot groups are complete ... another real help.

Posted by: secondcitylurker at December 12, 2021 08:17 PM (MEbkQ)

226 The major issue with those 7.62's were not so much wear as generous head space in some of them. If you have a 7.62 Field gauge, you might want to check that. If the headspace and chamber is a bit on the long side, consider only firing steel cased 7.62 Nato in it. The Russian/Ukrainian 7.62 steel cases don't stretch much and are generally loaded on the mild side.

The other issue is making sure that the bolt head clocks properly and does not overclock. Replacement bolt heads are around and it is relatively easy to fit a new one if necessary with hand tools.
Posted by: whig at December 12, 2021 08:12 PM (9hXN1)

Well thanks for the warning. I may as well have the gunsmith I'll be using for the transfer (probably) check the headspace/no go. I don't own one of those gauges myself.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 12, 2021 08:17 PM (eeRB6)

227 The most productive deer-hunting scope I've ever used, was a Leupold MKII Gold Ring, in the 6x40 spec, attached to a Ruger M-77 International (18" bbl., Mannlicher stock) in .308.

The finer reticle in the Duplex setup, corresponded to exactly 16" at 100 yards, the commonly accepted estimation of a mature buck from ear to horizontal aspect ear. If the ears were smaller than the fine duplex, the deer was either a juvenile, or standing well further than 100 yds away. If the deer overfilled the inner reticle, he was closer than 100 yds. And you could make reasonable guesstimates that were well within 20 yds of correct. Took at least 35 deer with that rig.

That rifle went to help funding a 1999 divorce. Having to sell it was cause enough for divorce anyway, right?

Count in the 2nd fp/MOA cult, please. Ommmmm.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at December 12, 2021 08:17 PM (QzJWU)

228 217 I'm going prepper for dinner tonight and having Mountain House freezed dried chicken and noodles . Package only 10 years old.

Posted by: Just a side note at December 12, 2021 08:15 PM
Providence chow in zombie times, 10 years old is fit for a viking.

Posted by: Eromero at December 12, 2021 08:17 PM (0OP+5)

229 Weasel, imho, I agree with Pillage Idiot.

Reloading ammo is a bit scary before you have done it and rifle cartridges can be more complex to reload. A lot of people would benefit from even learning to reload handgun cartridges for example.

What also might be useful is to demonstrate how precision reloading affects accuracy at the range by comparing different ammo with the same rifle. And then explaining the different steps to match your handloads with a particular rifle.

Posted by: whig at December 12, 2021 08:18 PM (9hXN1)

230 Newsweek posts this headline tonight: "Donald Trump and Bill O'Rielly Tour begins with empty seats in Florida!" Har! Har!

Except, nope..as several actual photos of the event and the organizers explained - the upper-level seats were off-limits, no one could buy seats there. Ther actual venue was - sold out! Newsweek reporters of course know this, because liberals would check that first hoping against hope that it wasn't sold out - but when these 8 year olds found out it was sold out, they tried to use the "off limits" seats to get a "no one showed up" narrative going...you should see the actual photos of the event - it was packed.

Posted by: Boswell at December 12, 2021 08:18 PM (5iUNf)

231 Looting is a grand and storied tradition in military, seems wrong to just end it. Not that there's that much to grab in Afghanistan, unless you had favorite goat or liked rocks.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 12, 2021 08:18 PM (KZzsI)

232 With the fact that an M-4 with a red dot is really a 200 yard and in rifle due to how fragmentation works, I use a 50 yard zero on all of mine. Hold center mass from 25 to 200 and I'm assured of a hit. 2" offset for 25 and in due to sight height over bore.

If I know I'm going to go farther than that, I pick a different rifle, something with magnification, an 18" barrel, and shooting 77gr OTM.

And yes, I know the M-4 can go a lot farther than 200, but not with the same lethality it can't, and with a red dot the shooting gets difficult.

Posted by: Unknownsailor at December 12, 2021 08:18 PM (G73pg)

233 @211

>>To whom?

When I say interesting, I mean that it would appear that Hollywood is in the midst of the great culling of older actors and that's why you are seeing actors you wouldn't have thought would be in commercials in commercials.

So Helen Mirren hosting a game show is pretty out there.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 12, 2021 08:19 PM (z24xU)

234 78 ... "precision reloading class"

Weasel,

That would be a great idea. The basics of reloading are simple enough to describe but the more precise techniques definitely benefit from hands on demonstration.

Posted by: JTB at December 12, 2021 08:20 PM (7EjX1)

235 Posted by: Boswell at December 12, 2021 08:18 PM (5iUN

Bill O'Reilly , really? WTF Trump ?

Posted by: Just a side note at December 12, 2021 08:20 PM (HaNEn)

236 whig at December 12, 2021 08:03 PM (9hXN1)
Whig, will CLP do? I didn't attempt to mess with anything other than lubing the bolt/bolt carrier before shooting it, so it's quite possible than any oil dried up some time ago. I bought the rifle new, but it sat in the safe for a while before I decided to try it out.

Posted by: Ed L at December 12, 2021 08:20 PM (NacE+)

237 Hello Orange Ent!!
What sort of MGB question?

Posted by: jesse in dc at December 12, 2021 08:21 PM (kTRt4)

238
I would definitely attend the MoMe reloading class.

However, I believe at least two of the "yes" answers above are from people that already reload their own ammo.

You might need an "intro" to reloading portion for the noobs, and then move into the "advanced" class where the noobs can at least follow the terminology.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at December 12, 2021 08:14 PM (tkyK5)

Pillage Idiot, as one responder who already reloads, even I learned much from Weasel's TX session. So if he does a basic reloading class, I'll be be in the first row.

Posted by: RI Red at December 12, 2021 08:21 PM (a8b7P)

239 Howdy Weasel! Thanks for another fun and informative gun thread!

By the way, I visited weaselgunthread.com this past week and checked out a few of your videos. Really cool stuff. Appreciate all that you do to educate and entertain all of us who are at various levels of the gun-curious thru gun-nut spectrum.

Posted by: Doof at December 12, 2021 08:21 PM (mZUr4)

240 and that's why you are seeing actors you wouldn't have thought would be in commercials in commercials.

Its super rare for actors to have much of a career past 50 anyway. They get bit parts, play granny in some stuff, do ads, a few TV appearances. A few get to stick around, usually character actors.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 12, 2021 08:21 PM (KZzsI)

241 Thank you for sharing the story, Wenda. He won't truly be gone as long as you remember him.

Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 08:10 PM (0IeYL)

Went to my university home coming this year. We, the ROTC graduates from 1969 to 1975, had a ceremony where we read the names of our dead. As long as you say their name they are still with us.

Posted by: Javems at December 12, 2021 08:22 PM (AmoqO)

242 My Makarov is my carry piece. It has the benefit of being dead simple and the only time it jammed was because I was using ammo that I ran through the washer and dryer, on the range.

I am odd about things like that but the main reason to carry it is that I have carried it for so many years and it fits me.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 12, 2021 08:22 PM (ZMraq)

243 226 MAE, make sure he used NATO gauges instead of .308 Win. On old military rifles, the chambers are generous so as to load dirty, corroded ammo and often using commercial cartridge gauges results in a false out of headspace rating.

Using a field gauge is pretty common for old rifles as headspace greater than GO gages but not closing on the field is pretty common. Either you accept short brass life, necksize for it only, or reset the barrel back a thread or so and rechamber.

Under such conditions, using the cheaper steel ammo for one time use makes sense. Enfields, in general, have never been known for their long brass life for reloading anyway.

Posted by: whig at December 12, 2021 08:22 PM (9hXN1)

244 We're losing those from the Vietnam War too.

Yes, we are. Two friends of mine in the past 12 months. Prayers up.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at December 12, 2021 08:22 PM (Xrfse)

245 Anyone use compressed air for quick clean up to get out lint and such from your carry gun?

Posted by: Just a side note at December 12, 2021 08:23 PM (HaNEn)

246 245 Anyone use compressed air for quick clean up to get out lint and such from your carry gun?
Posted by: Just a side note at December 12, 2021 08:23 PM (HaNEn)

Yup. Occasionally give my pocket revolver a blast from the canned air by my desktop.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 12, 2021 08:24 PM (eeRB6)

247 Anyone use compressed air for quick clean up to get out lint and such from your carry gun?
Posted by: Just a side note at December 12, 2021 08:23 PM (HaNEn)

Yes.

And a paint brush works well too.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 12, 2021 08:24 PM (R/m4+)

248 Bill O'Reilly , really? WTF Trump ?
Posted by: Just a side note at December 12, 2021 08:20 PM (HaNEn)

Yeah, Trump should have his head examined for that...O'Reilly is probably the least likeable guy I can think of...but still, the gas lighting by Newsweek here was just retarded - they don't even really try anymore.

Posted by: Boswell at December 12, 2021 08:24 PM (5iUNf)

249 Use my small compressor in the garage to get the last of the de-greaser off

Posted by: secondcitylurker at December 12, 2021 08:24 PM (MEbkQ)

250 Anyone use compressed air for quick clean up to get out lint and such from your carry gun?
Posted by: Just a side note at December 12, 2021 08:23 PM (HaNEn)

Sure do for the black powders after cleaning, before lube.
Never considered it for moderns.?

Posted by: MkY at December 12, 2021 08:24 PM (Foq6I)

251 Under such conditions, using the cheaper steel ammo for one time use makes sense. Enfields, in general, have never been known for their long brass life for reloading anyway.
Posted by: whig at December 12, 2021 08:22 PM (9hXN1)

I'm not really reloader anyway. I will probably feed it Wolf steel cased ammo, based on your advice. We'll see how that runs.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 12, 2021 08:25 PM (eeRB6)

252 236 whig at December 12, 2021 08:03 PM (9hXN1)
Whig, will CLP do? I didn't attempt to mess with anything other than lubing the bolt/bolt carrier before shooting it, so it's quite possible than any oil dried up some time ago. I bought the rifle new, but it sat in the safe for a while before I decided to try it out.

Posted by: Ed L

Penetrating oil like Kroil can get into the crud and partially dissolve it versus something like CLP. Manufacting oils and greases often harden over time due to oxidation into a polymer as the solvent dissipates. Thus, your spring could literally be glued together. I think Kroil has acetone mixed into a very light oil to help it to get into the smallest of crevices and dissolve old hardened grease or oil. Breaks up rust as well.

Posted by: whig at December 12, 2021 08:25 PM (9hXN1)

253 Range report

Mark brought his Marakov to play with. I compared the 9mm and the .380 with the Russian bullet. Kind of a thicker, slightly taller .380.

Nice pistol. A little snappy on the recoil in comparison to my G42 and G19. I could certainly feel a difference between the all steel pistol vs a polymer.

Got reacquainted with my G19 as I hadn't fired her for over a year. I hit all head at 15 yards. Flocks may be clunky, but, they work. And they run dirty or wet or muddy. And I can get your attention with one.

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 12, 2021 08:26 PM (U2p+3)

254 @240

>>Its super rare for actors to have much of a career past 50 anyway.

Sure but you never saw A-List actors hosting television shows.

It would have been awesome to see Humphrey Bogart hosting, The 64k dollar question.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 12, 2021 08:26 PM (z24xU)

255 I am odd about things like that but the main reason to carry it is that I have carried it for so many years and it fits me.
Posted by: Kindltot at December 12, 2021 08:22 PM (ZMraq)

Good reasons

I am convinced a man could train to run the Mak really well. I just stumble over the capacity. It's a Me thing.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 12, 2021 08:27 PM (eeRB6)

256 Weasel, may I intrude on the reloading class idea, here? I think it's a great idea, and I think Ben Had is right, too. What to do? What to do?

Having had some very (for me) informative conversations to you, you'd mentioned several interesting tools that I, a causally experienced reloader had never heard of. Your tool that measures one bullet's ogive to the next was a revelation to me, I'd never heard of that. And the one that determines the ideal ogive to base-rim length, as more important than overall cartridge length, too.

Hence, my idea. Maybe not go through the entire Zen of producing your Match Quality rounds. But a PRIMER (swidt?) on the tools and processes they allow, that we common reloaders likely have never heard of, nor know how to use. Kind of a "Show & Tell", if you will?

Quite seriously, you had a whole list of tools, vendors, suppliers and gurus, and I could not keep up with the taking of notes. Maybe have some xeroxed handouts of those lists for the interested parties?

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at December 12, 2021 08:27 PM (QzJWU)

257 Back in 2005 I was told that the majority of veterans in Michigan 'veterans homes' had shifted from WW II to Vietnam.

Time marches on. My uncle is a Tet '68 vet and guess what...he's old now.

I'm one of those Gen Xers who signed up after 9/11 and figured I'd do my part just like Grandad did.

Just hit my 20.

Time marches on.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 12, 2021 08:27 PM (llXky)

258 Thanks. I use the can compressed air and never thought to look into whether any thing harmful to the gun in the propellant.

Posted by: Just a side note at December 12, 2021 08:28 PM (HaNEn)

259 202 This is off-topic, and yet it isn't. You mentioned up thread that we are losing our heroes from WW2. We're losing those from the Vietnam War too. My twin brother had a heart attack Wednesday and made it to the hospital but his heart has stopped twice since. I'm afraid tomorrow I have to say goodbye.
[...] Oh, buddy, I'm going to miss you.
Posted by: Wenda at December 12, 2021 08:07 PM (tHGM4)

Wenda, so sorry to learn of your brother's condition. Prayers for you and your family.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at December 12, 2021 08:28 PM (Agr8U)

260 Weasel,

Thank you for another great gun thread.

I don't have the equipment for Mantis X, but I will look into the technology for something I can use. Good info.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at December 12, 2021 08:28 PM (u82oZ)

261 I just wish *someone* would put .32 H&R Magnum back into production again.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 12, 2021 08:02 PM (llXky)

Wait until you start loading .43 Mauser.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 12, 2021 08:28 PM (ZMraq)

262 Diogenes at December 12, 2021 08:06 PM (axyOa)
As I heard it, both were truck drivers, not grunts or operators. With XM177s coming at a premium at the time, it's understandable why the XM177s got taken away. But they really like how the compactness of the XM177 made it a lot easier to manage inside a truck cab rather than an M16.

Posted by: Ed L at December 12, 2021 08:28 PM (NacE+)

263 I'm not really reloader anyway. I will probably feed it Wolf steel cased ammo, based on your advice. We'll see how that runs.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

Should get you to 2-3 MOA depending on the barrel and throat which for those particular rifles are usually in very good to excellent condition. They were never target rifles but can be surprisingly accurate with the 800m sights.

Posted by: whig at December 12, 2021 08:29 PM (9hXN1)

264 BREAKING: Chris Wallace leaving Fox for CNN Streaming Service

Yeah, who couldn't see this coming? He has an audience of, like, a dozen Karens...perfect for CNN.

Posted by: Boswell at December 12, 2021 08:30 PM (5iUNf)

265 Is Wolf and other russki ammo drying up/getting more expensive? I mean because of the idiotic move by the idiot children Americans wanted in charge to vandalize the country.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 12, 2021 08:30 PM (OTzUX)

266 If Weasel is offering a class in reloading and you're at all interested in shooting rifles over 100 yards, you should go!! Shooting rifles and reloading are two sides of the same coin. Weasel's buddy and top F-Class shooter Erik Cortina does interviews with other top shooters in their reloading rooms. The first question is usually, "do you shoot to reload, or reload to shoot?" The answer is almost always a combo of the two.

Posted by: ck at December 12, 2021 08:30 PM (iBg56)

267 Occasionally lurk, rarely comment here.

Nice threads, Weasel!

Lost a cousin this fall: 'Nam vet. Never talked about time in country... sure he saw some sh!t... if anyone asked, he'd just shake his head and get a faraway look in his eyes.

RIP, David.

Posted by: JQ at December 12, 2021 08:31 PM (dB4Iz)

268 Sure but you never saw A-List actors hosting television shows.

It would have been awesome to see Humphrey Bogart hosting, The 64k dollar question.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 12, 2021 08:26 PM (z24xU)
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Whoa. Stop.

Just stop.

When did Helen Mirren become an "A-list" actress?

Besides, do we even have "A-list" actors anymore?

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 12, 2021 08:31 PM (llXky)

269 Greetings all -- lurked here for the last year, never posted 'till now. Yup, I'm one of the deplorables who joined the ranks of gun nuts in the last 18 months. I've owned a Browning BDA .380 since the mid '80s, but only took it to the range a couple three times in those years. When buildings started to burn last year I broke down and purchased an M&P15, and then a Mossberg 930 this year. Figured between the three weapons I'd be able to cover pretty much any self defense situation. Took rifle and shotgun classes with range time, and have gone to the range on my own a half dozen times trying to get more comfortable with these firearms. I'm not ex-military like a lot of ya'll, and didn't grow up with guns, so a lot of what I'm learning (and unlearning, thank you Hollywood) is new to me. My ultimate goal is to become comfortable with these tools without becoming complacent, but I'm not close to being there yet. Thanks to all of you for the advice you've offered us newbies in these interesting times.

Posted by: ShoelesJoe at December 12, 2021 08:31 PM (Rl0o6)

270 Oh!
And I fired some hollow points for the first time.
I was a little high, but adjusted and was right on target. I was astonished at the difference in the holes in the target. The hollow points were tiny! So clean!

Need to get outside and shoot some overripe squash and see what damage is done with hollow points and wad cutters. Sounds fun!

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 12, 2021 08:32 PM (U2p+3)

271 Hello Orange Ent!!
What sort of MGB question?

Posted by: jesse in dc at December 12, 2021 08:21 PM (kTRt4)

Jesse, I was driving my 1980 a couple of months ago and when I pushed in the clutch to stop at a red light there was a loud grinding noise that stopped as soon as I let off the pedal. Later, I saw some smoke, or steam wafting from under the chassis. Took it to one of my usual places that has a guy who owned a GT at one time, and he said they found shavings in the gear box. I asked the guys on the MG Experience and they all said he's wrong, it's the throw out bearing on the clutch. It happened once more only, but never again when I've used the car.

I only use it for short trips, but wife doesn't want me to fix it, just let it set and rot away in the garage as a lawn ornament. Didn't buy it for that, so trying to find out if a new clutch might solve the problem, as the kits seem to be only around $75. Of course, I'd have to have someone do the work for me, and convince her to let me do it. Even if just to make it sellable. Thanks.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 12, 2021 08:32 PM (7bRMQ)

272 Is Wolf and other russki ammo drying up/getting more expensive? I mean because of the idiotic move by the idiot children Americans wanted in charge to vandalize the country.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 12, 2021 08:30 PM (OTzUX)

There was the immediate panic buy, which shot up prices. Now things have settled down a bit. Dunno how long the supply will last, when import agreements will run out and won't be renewed...but for now, it's out there and still cheaper than brass.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 12, 2021 08:32 PM (eeRB6)

273 Wait until you start loading .43 Mauser.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 12, 2021 08:28 PM (ZMraq)
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No need. 9mm Largo and 9mm Steyr will keep me plenty busy.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 12, 2021 08:32 PM (llXky)

274 As I heard it, both were truck drivers, not grunts or operators.

Posted by: Ed L at December 12, 2021 08:28 PM (NacE+)

Look up "Vietnam Gun Trucks" sometime. These guys were bad-sassed.

Posted by: Javems at December 12, 2021 08:33 PM (AmoqO)

275 Range Report...

Does anyone shoot AR's with a suppressor? I decided to take the plunge last March and purchased a can at my local gun store. Over 260 days later, I'm still waiting for the ATF to review my application. But, I can use the suppressor at the store's indoor range, which I found time to take advantage of last Saturday. First off, shooting suppressed is a lot of fun, especially when using subsonic ammunition. It really does make the shooting experience that much more enjoyable, and your fellow shooters really appreciate the reduced decibel levels as well. However, there is a downside. Suppressors redirect gas backwards. This increase in back pressure doesn't present much of an issue in side charging automatic weapons, bolt action rifles, or most pistols. But AR type rifles usually employ a rear charging handle, and combined with a direct impingement (DI) gas system, all that gas is directed straight back into the shooter's face. So, after firing 10 or so rounds of 300 BLK down range, I managed to personally experience "suppressor gas face". It's no myth! Initially, my eyes started to burn, followed by a nasty coughing fit. I can't imagine using a can on a full auto AR!

Posted by: PacosMojo at December 12, 2021 08:33 PM (cOyfh)

276 Took rifle and shotgun classes with range time, and have gone to the range on my own a half dozen times trying to get more comfortable with these firearms. I'm not ex-military like a lot of ya'll, and didn't grow up with guns, so a lot of what I'm learning (and unlearning, thank you Hollywood) is new to me. My ultimate goal is to become comfortable with these tools without becoming complacent, but I'm not close to being there yet. Thanks to all of you for the advice you've offered us newbies in these interesting times.

Posted by: ShoelesJoe at December 12, 2021 08:31 PM (Rl0o6)

Welcome!

And good on you for not only gunning up, but also getting some classes under your belt.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 12, 2021 08:33 PM (eeRB6)

277 Shoeless Joe, welcome and good work on the training and practice. Remember - perishable skills, plus, never can be "too" good or comfortable.

For any somewhat involved activity I don't do very frequently, or constantly, I typically take classes/train every time I do it.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 12, 2021 08:34 PM (OTzUX)

278 269....

Good choices.

Posted by: PacosMojo at December 12, 2021 08:34 PM (cOyfh)

279 The majority of 7.62x39mm AKs built around the world are actually AKMs, not AK-47s.

Posted by: Lazy Messenger at December 12, 2021 07:48 PM (KP12d)

I read the whole dang history one day, as I have one of the pre-ban Mahdi rifles. There's pages and pages of trivia about the different kinds of just those!

Posted by: GWB at December 12, 2021 08:34 PM (Tqp47)

280 Gun design has kind of slowed in recent years, like we've either run out of ideas, or there's not much left to figure out for percussion black powder weapons.
I liked ideas like gyrojet rounds and electrothermal but neither was really practical.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 12, 2021 08:07 PM (KZzsI)

I think a lot of the development money was sucked up by military contract, and established manufacturers, with lots of regulatory crap keeping out new ideas.

The 3D printers are doing very interesting things, and just recently there is a modular version of the AKM being introduced.
Personally I am waiting for the Dardick Tround design to make its grand reintroduction

Posted by: Kindltot at December 12, 2021 08:35 PM (ZMraq)

281 Whig, I'll get some Kroil for that purpose.

Posted by: Ed L at December 12, 2021 08:35 PM (NacE+)

282 Posted by: JQ at December 12, 2021 08:31 PM (dB4Iz)
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Welcome, JQ! Condolences on your loss.

Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 08:35 PM (0IeYL)

283 Look up "Vietnam Gun Trucks" sometime. These guys were bad-sassed.
Posted by: Javems

Can you get one of those to drive in LA?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 12, 2021 08:36 PM (FVME7)

284 Personally I am waiting for the Dardick Tround design to make its grand reintroduction

Posted by: Kindltot at December 12, 2021 08:35 PM (ZMraq)
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My time is coming!!!

Posted by: Caseless anno at December 12, 2021 08:36 PM (llXky)

285 There was the immediate panic buy, which shot up prices. Now things have settled down a bit. Dunno how long the supply will last, when import agreements will run out and won't be renewed...but for now, it's out there and still cheaper than brass.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 12, 2021 08:32 PM (eeRB6)

I bought a box of .223 FMJ 55 grain the other day.

Brass.

GGG is the brand.

Made in Lithuania. Never seen them before. I expect "Russian" stuff will be rebranded and sold here.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 12, 2021 08:36 PM (R/m4+)

286 Re: the LeMat revolver video - I can just see the operator holding up a single index finger to his enemy, and saying "Just need a few more minutes. I'm just about finished with the coffee filter bit, and then I'll be right with you."

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at December 12, 2021 08:37 PM (Agr8U)

287 The Soviets took civil defense seriously, many had experience as urban guerillas fighting behind the lines during the Great Patriotic War.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 12, 2021 08:37 PM (EZebt)

288 Can you get one of those to drive in LA?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 12, 2021 08:36 PM (FVME7)
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Who knew "Road Warrior" was actually based in California?

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 12, 2021 08:37 PM (llXky)

289 When did Helen Mirren become an "A-list" actress?
Besides, do we even have "A-list" actors anymore?

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 12, 2021 08:31 PM (llXky)

She was an Academy Award "Best Actress" winner. She had other attributes as well, depending on the age of the eyes viewing.

Posted by: Javems at December 12, 2021 08:38 PM (AmoqO)

290 ShoelesJoe
Whenever everyone thinks it's about time to start burying guns... you know it's time to start digging up guns.

Posted by: MkY at December 12, 2021 08:38 PM (Foq6I)

291 It would have been awesome to see Humphrey Bogart hosting, The 64k dollar question.

Usually guests on a show like What's My Line?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 12, 2021 08:39 PM (KZzsI)

292 Weasel, lots of delurking going on. Good work.

Mrs. Red may or may not be on the thread and asking me questions.

Posted by: RI Red at December 12, 2021 08:39 PM (a8b7P)

293 Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 12, 2021 08:18 PM (KZzsI)
You'd be surprised what would pop out of the woodwork. I saw a Long Lee (or copy thereof) and a lot of frankenstein mixmaster AKs. An NCO in 5th SF "acquired" a 1911A1.

Posted by: Ed L at December 12, 2021 08:40 PM (NacE+)

294 Might air from a compressor have moisture in it?

Posted by: davidt at December 12, 2021 08:40 PM (VvoAI)

295 Can you get one of those to drive in LA?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 12, 2021 08:36 PM (FVME7)

I have an up-armored Toyota Highlander. Best I can do,

Posted by: Javems at December 12, 2021 08:40 PM (AmoqO)

296 Thanks, everybody. So many warrior stories. And so many warriors out there now. Like Weasel. Ben Had. Let us treasure those we have.

Posted by: Wenda at December 12, 2021 08:41 PM (tHGM4)

297 14 2 ... "I got myself a .22 LR barrel for my Thompson Contender"

What is the barrel length? Careful shooting with a 22 LR Contender is loads of fun. And cheap. Don't forget cheap!

Posted by: JTB at December 12, 2021 08:41 PM (7EjX1)

298 Hey y'all - sorry, stepped away from the blog for a minute and am just catching up.
Since there is some interest in reloading maybe we can add an afternoon/evening mini-class on Friday for a couple of hours off in a corner somewhere. I can bring a bunch of my gear and we can walk through some examples.

Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 08:42 PM (0IeYL)

299 She was an Academy Award "Best Actress" winner. She had other attributes as well, depending on the age of the eyes viewing.

Posted by: Javems at December 12, 2021 08:38 PM (AmoqO)
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Mea Culpa. I forgot just how awful films have gotten these days.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 12, 2021 08:42 PM (llXky)

300 Does anyone shoot AR's with a suppressor?
Posted by: PacosMojo

The smell of gunsmoke is normally pleasant, but it's a bit much when the charging handle gap shoots a plume of smoke directly into your nose with every shot.

The solution is an Adjustible Gas Block. I haven't looked at the state of those for a few years, hopefully there are new ones with improvements. The most important feature is that the adjustment screw/knob needs to have some sort of lock or tensioner on it so that it doesn't walk itself out under recoil.

Posted by: Lazy Messenger at December 12, 2021 08:42 PM (KP12d)

301 Prayers up for your Brother, Wenda. And, for you.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at December 12, 2021 08:42 PM (QzJWU)

302 "Might air from a compressor have moisture in it?"

Absolutely! Air line drying units are common in commercial/industrial applications.

Posted by: JQ at December 12, 2021 08:42 PM (dB4Iz)

303 The freezed dried chicken and noodles were just meh tonight but it was good enough that I know it will taste as good as a filet Mignon during zombie times.

Posted by: Just a side note at December 12, 2021 08:42 PM (HaNEn)

304 PacosMojo,
If you are using a suppressor on a gas impingement system like the AR--you have several choices--install an adjustable gas block (one of the higher end ones if you want to switch between suppressed and non suppressed, install an adjustable gas key on the bolt--see Rubber City Armory for that, (or there is a whole bolt that is made to easily switch back and forth)--think that is made by Gemtech, or put in a piston system--Superlative and Adams arms make those.

That should reduce your blowback.

Posted by: whig at December 12, 2021 08:42 PM (9hXN1)

305 271 Orange ENT ...

I had a 64 MGB and these guys sound right to me - Thaw-out bearing. Though you may have more than one issue. The gear box shavings thing is a bit odd. Pulling that gear box and looking into inside is non-trivial. Seeing shaving accumulated on a magnetic drain plug is something very different, and I don't think all that unusual

Posted by: secondcitylurker at December 12, 2021 08:43 PM (MEbkQ)

306 I can confirm my Russian translators all mentioned. Being able to break down an AK by 13 years old.

Posted by: Goliad's Ghosts at December 12, 2021 08:43 PM (oWBc3)

307 Posted by: ShoelesJoe at December 12, 2021 08:31 PM (Rl0o6)
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Welcome to the Gun Thread! Thanks for delurking!

Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 08:43 PM (0IeYL)

308 Let us treasure those we have.
Posted by: Wenda at December 12, 2021 08:41 PM (tHGM4)

Post their names and tales of valor on Memorial Day, use any public venue, even twatter, let their names not be forgotten!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Lie back and think of the sweet graft! ~ at December 12, 2021 08:44 PM (hOUT3)

309 Thanks, Jim.

Posted by: Wenda at December 12, 2021 08:44 PM (tHGM4)

310 Range report: a pretty good morning at ESS today. In the pursuit of accuracy, I slapped an accuwedge on the AR and finally got around to using a rear bag rest (cue berating by Weasel for not doing that sooner). The groups tightened up nicely albeit with an occasional flyer which is fine with me considering it's M193 ammo and a Frankenstein build.

On the pistola side, I'm almost there with the recoil mitigation. The Beretta 92FS has a big butt (even with the slim alumagrips) but after paying attention to how my grip was breaking after every shot, I was able to make adjustments to prevent it. With a little tweaking and practice I can start focusing on working the trigger faster.

Posted by: Thicc Boi at December 12, 2021 08:44 PM (zThcc)

311 Usually guests on a show like What's My Line?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 12, 2021 08:39 PM (KZzsI)
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Yeah, it's sad to see how bad things have gotten.

Time was you had epic actors in the peak of their form vying for an Oscar and now we have...what?...something Korean and there are other films...

Not that I have a problem with Korea, but seriously, once upon a time there was a Foreign Film category because the domestic production was so solid.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 12, 2021 08:44 PM (llXky)

312 281 Whig, I'll get some Kroil for that purpose.

Posted by: Ed L

It is some great stuff, a bit stinky, but it works great to remove rust, clean bores--especially old milsurps, carbonized Ar bolts, etc.

Really good penetrating oil.

Posted by: whig at December 12, 2021 08:44 PM (9hXN1)

313 Damn auto-correct: throw-out

Posted by: secondcitylurker at December 12, 2021 08:45 PM (MEbkQ)

314 280....

There's still some innovation taking place. Check out the Laugo Arms Alien pistol. It employs a gas-delayed operating system, along with a slide which moves independently from the top strap. Apparently, barrel flip is nearly eliminated, making it easy to place follow up shots on target accurately and with great speed. Of course, all this innovation comes with a very hefty price tag.

Posted by: PacosMojo at December 12, 2021 08:45 PM (cOyfh)

315 Posted by: Javems at December 12, 2021 08:33 PM (AmoqO)
Check out the Transportation Museum at Ft. Eustis. I liked the picture they had of the 5-ton truck fitted out w/ 2 M60s and 2 Miniguns myself.

Posted by: Ed L at December 12, 2021 08:45 PM (NacE+)

316 I am convinced a man could train to run the Mak really well. I just stumble over the capacity. It's a Me thing.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 12, 2021 08:27 PM (eeRB6)

The conversion from the 7.62 x 25 to the 9x18Mak generated a lot of noise, like when the US went from .45 to 9mm.
The Makarov did not have the penetration on winter clothing which could be a thing in Russia, however the typical Russian solution was the admonition to "shoot them in the face, then"

Posted by: Kindltot at December 12, 2021 08:45 PM (ZMraq)

317 Now on the other hand , the Mountain House freezed dried ChiliMac tastes really good right now. I can't imagine how good it will taste in zombie times.

Posted by: Just a side note at December 12, 2021 08:45 PM (HaNEn)

318 Hey gub threaders. sra blaster and I are visiting a friend whose wife passed away this morning from a heart attack and they are our age. 29 is rough. Prayers for this retired Sergeant Major for peace and for strength.

Got the news while at the range with Moron Gun Club. Ed L Hrothgar and I forget the nic of our 4th whose name I know IRL. Anyway he brought a new Daniel Defense rifle which was really nice. Ed L brought a yippie ki yay combo of SP5 and Beretta 92FS. Good shoot day.

Posted by: blaster at December 12, 2021 08:47 PM (Yl3Ht)

319 Weasel, lots of delurking going on. Good work.

Mrs. Red may or may not be on the thread and asking me questions.
Posted by: RI Red at December 12, 2021 08:39 PM (a8b7P)
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I know! Warms my shriveled heart!
Seriously, I am very bigly happy so many morons are creeping out of the shadows. It is really nice to have you here contributing!

Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 08:47 PM (0IeYL)

320 So sorry for your loss, too, Wenda.

Viet Nam war was soooo messed up, and our guys didn't even get well-deserved respect upon return.

Posted by: JQ at December 12, 2021 08:47 PM (dB4Iz)

321 Welp, from .32 Long to the collapse of American acting talent...quite an arc.

On that depressing note, I think I shall withdraw for the evening. Thanks again, Weasel!

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 12, 2021 08:48 PM (llXky)

322 Mossberg 930
Posted by: ShoelesJoe
My nearby outdoor range has a place for pistols, and a place for rifles, and then a clay pigeon area. The last time I went to the range, to shoot clay pigeons, the range officer asked us which shotguns we were going to use. I was surprised by the question. Turned out someone had come recently with something interesting, and went out to the clay pigeon area shooting 3 or more times in quick succession. They did not like that.

How do you practice with the Mossberg? Sorry for my ignorance. Do they let you set up in the rifle area?

Posted by: MikeM at December 12, 2021 08:48 PM (YsLaz)

323 Well. a $300 investment in deer foodplots has yielded two bunnies today, and I don't get a bite until 10.

This is why God invented Euchre.

Posted by: Auspex at December 12, 2021 08:48 PM (Xo3T0)

324 Hi Weasel,nice thread.

Posted by: Rancherbob at December 12, 2021 08:48 PM (gtu9W)

325 Posted by: whig at December 12, 2021 08:44 PM (9hXN1)
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I'm a big fan of Kroil too!

Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 08:48 PM (0IeYL)

326 Off topic, but perhaps a future post:
Firearm Trusts.
I know we touched on it a while back, but it is a way to pass on your guns without going through probate.
Also, with some caveats, a way to deal with NFA items like suppressors and SBRs.

Posted by: RI Red at December 12, 2021 08:48 PM (a8b7P)

327 Nyahhh. Ya missed.

Posted by: Ed Ls Paper Target at December 12, 2021 08:49 PM (VxC1e)

328 300, 304....

Thanks for the advice. I'm probably going to install an Adam's Arms adjustable gas piston system, as this gun will primarily be used with a suppressor....assuming I ever receive my tax stamp from the ATF!

Posted by: PacosMojo at December 12, 2021 08:49 PM (cOyfh)

329 The gun trucks remind me of pictures of Humvee's with a steel tub welded up in the back, with my son in it. Pity-full but better than nothing I guess. At least he had a machine gun handy.

Posted by: Javems at December 12, 2021 08:50 PM (AmoqO)

330
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 12, 2021 08:48 PM (llXky)
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Nite AHL!

Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 08:50 PM (0IeYL)

331 PacosMojos,
To continue, each of those work--the piston replacement system works really well on short barrel rifles or AR pistols, the adjustable gas key works when you cannot easily remove the front sight gas block ensemble, and the more expensive adjustable gas blocks have detents or even a switch. Make sure you can get to the adjustment with your handguard in place and that the adjustable gas block fits under your handguard.

The cheap adjustable gas blocks use screws that carbon fouling makes impossible to adjust over time. Those are more useful for a dedicated upper for a particular load.

I used the Rubber City Armory gas key adjustable on an AR pistol and it works fine on regular 55 gr. range fodder. I use the adjustable gas blocks on my larger caliber ARs to reduce the need for heavy recoil buffers and to adjust between ammo. I use the cheapo adjustables for range carbines dedicated to specific sd loads.

Posted by: whig at December 12, 2021 08:51 PM (9hXN1)

332 Posted by: Rancherbob at December 12, 2021 08:48 PM (gtu9W)
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Howdy RancherBob! Been meaning to ask about the knee. Still connected to the leg-bone?

Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 08:51 PM (0IeYL)

333 Whig, sounds like Kroil should be used outside only, not indoors. Fair assumption?

Posted by: Ed L at December 12, 2021 08:51 PM (NacE+)

334 What is the barrel length? Careful shooting with a 22 LR Contender is loads of fun. And cheap. Don't forget cheap!
Posted by: JTB

8-3/4", same as the 357 and 44 barrels I've already got. I'm hopeful that this one will be a tack driver like the other two.

Posted by: Lazy Messenger at December 12, 2021 08:51 PM (KP12d)

335 I had a 64 MGB and these guys sound right to me - Thaw-out bearing. Though you may have more than one issue. The gear box shavings thing is a bit odd. Pulling that gear box and looking into inside is non-trivial. Seeing shaving accumulated on a magnetic drain plug is something very different, and I don't think all that unusual

Posted by: secondcitylurker at December 12, 2021 08:43 PM (MEbkQ)

Thanks for the info, SCL. I told them at the shop the noise came while engaging the clutch, don't know why they'd check the gearbox. I told them about the smoke, which was seeming to be from under the middle of the car. Of course a new gear box would be about 5k to 6k and a new clutch would be under a hundred, so maybe.... The shop said nothing about the clutch. Still gotta get the wife to ok it because she's the only one working now. I don't want to let it just sit and rot away. I'd rather spend a couple hundred to solve the prob and maybe sell it.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 12, 2021 08:52 PM (7bRMQ)

336 328 Paco, the Gemtech suppressed bolt carrier is pretty neat and reviews are good but I have never used that one.

Adams Arm kits have been around for a long time and Pat Sweeney (AR15 gunsmith guru and AR rifle competitor) really likes them. There are some issues with the buffer retainer pin due to bolt tilt that you may want to investigate--think they have a cheap fix for it.

The Rubber City gas key is the easiest to install on a stripped bolt carrier.

Posted by: whig at December 12, 2021 08:54 PM (9hXN1)

337 Posted by: RI Red at December 12, 2021 08:48 PM (a8b7P)

Very good idea re a discussion of Firearm Trusts.

If only there had not been that tragic canoe incident this might have been a problem for me!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Lie back and think of the sweet graft! ~ at December 12, 2021 08:54 PM (hOUT3)

338 How do you practice with the Mossberg? Sorry for my ignorance. Do they let you set up in the rifle area?
Posted by: MikeM

There is a state run (OH) outdoor range about 2 hours away from me that has a boatload of lanes in three different groupings. If your range mates are agreeable, the shotgun shooters shoot with the sidearm folks. Very low key, never a problem.

Posted by: Tonypete at December 12, 2021 08:54 PM (mD/uy)

339 My Beretta Neo .22 is a piece of crap. It looks pretty neat though .

Posted by: Just a side note at December 12, 2021 08:55 PM (HaNEn)

340 Firearm Trusts.
I know we touched on it a while back, but it is a way to pass on your guns without going through probate.
Also, with some caveats, a way to deal with NFA items like suppressors and SBRs.
Posted by: RI Red at December 12, 2021 08:48 PM (a8b7P)
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Drop me a line!

Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 08:55 PM (0IeYL)

341 The Makarov did not have the penetration on winter clothing which could be a thing in Russia, however the typical Russian solution was the admonition to "shoot them in the face, then"

Posted by: Kindltot at December 12, 2021 08:45 PM (ZMraq)

I always considered the Mak as a "back of the head" gun....

Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 12, 2021 08:55 PM (7bRMQ)

342 333 Whig, sounds like Kroil should be used outside only, not indoors. Fair assumption?

Posted by: Ed L

The amount you would use on a front sight might stink a minute or two then go away. If you are dousing something in it, then exterior ventilation is a good idea. Acetone is used in fingernail polish after all. But, the amount used affects whether it will bother you or not.

Posted by: whig at December 12, 2021 08:56 PM (9hXN1)

343 Well. a $300 investment in deer foodplots has yielded two bunnies today, and I don't get a bite until 10.

This is why God invented Euchre.
Posted by: Auspex

Hah! I did many years of food plots. Turned out making my place a haven for raising fawns worked better.
Mommas get unmolested here, so come here when pressure builds.

Posted by: MkY at December 12, 2021 08:56 PM (Foq6I)

344 Mea Culpa. I forgot just how awful films have gotten these days.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 12, 2021 08:42 PM (llXky)

Oh heavens, no problem.

Posted by: Javems at December 12, 2021 08:56 PM (AmoqO)

345 What kind of rifle is NOT an assault rifle?

Posted by: Just Wondering at December 12, 2021 08:56 PM (vcAq2)

346 Excuse the OT but responding to a Times' report about UK cops listing rapist trannies as 'women', someone is going to get into more trouble from the nuts...

J.K. Rowling @jk_rowling; 7h
War is Peace.
Freedom is Slavery.
Ignorance is Strength.
The Penised Individual Who Raped You Is a Woman.

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at December 12, 2021 08:57 PM (UHVv4)

347 Got the news while at the range with Moron Gun Club. Ed L Hrothgar and I forget the nic of our 4th whose name I know IRL. Anyway he brought a new Daniel Defense rifle which was really nice. Ed L brought a yippie ki yay combo of SP5 and Beretta 92FS. Good shoot day.

Posted by: blaster

You have friends with excellent tastes in firearms.

Posted by: whig at December 12, 2021 08:57 PM (9hXN1)

348 Thanks for the thread, Weasel. Gotta go. I'll check back later if Jessie answers my question.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 12, 2021 08:58 PM (7bRMQ)

349 Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 12, 2021 08:58 PM (7bRMQ)
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You bet. Adios!

Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 08:58 PM (0IeYL)

350 334 ...
LM,
Thanks for the info. I have the regular 10" barrel. You might have to experiment to find the ammo it likes best but that is part of the fun.

BTW, my Contender prefers standard velocity 40 grain lead bullets for some reason. But each barrel is different.

Posted by: JTB at December 12, 2021 08:59 PM (7EjX1)

351 Posted by: Javems at December 12, 2021 08:50 PM (AmoqO)
Improvisation is an art. When my unit mobilized at Ft. Coy in November 1990, the NCOs killed some time at the base museum. Among the vehicles on display outdoors was an old M16 halftrack equipped with a quad .50 mount. The NCOs wanted to "acquire" that quad .50 mount really bad to build a gun truck, but the museum folks said no. "Moonlight requisitioning" was out of the question because the halftrack was too visible from the post HQ. We ended up settling for some extra ring mounts instead of building the "Brinksmobile" the NCOs and mechanics wanted. Which was probably a good thing in the end.

Posted by: Ed L at December 12, 2021 08:59 PM (NacE+)

352 "What kind of rifle is NOT an assault rifle?"

A: ALL OF THEM.

Do not accept the leftarded definition of ANYTHING!

Posted by: JQ at December 12, 2021 09:00 PM (dB4Iz)

353 Posted by: ShoelesJoe

Welcome, let us know if you have any questions including availability of products, training questions, or usefulness of some gear.

We have all sorts here.

Posted by: whig at December 12, 2021 09:02 PM (9hXN1)

354 336...

I replaced my 6.5 Creedmoor's bolt carrier group with a Rubber City carrier including the adjustable gas key. It works as well as any adjustable gas block I've ever owned, and it's easily accessible regardless of whatever hand guard your dealing with. Maybe I'll try one out on my suppressed 300 BLK. And BTW, do those "gas busting" charging handles actually work?

Posted by: PacosMojo at December 12, 2021 09:02 PM (cOyfh)

355 Hello Orange Ent.
It is the release bearing. Trans has to come out to change it. If you do not have over drive, the trans can be removed by itself. They will need a lift.
Otherwise, just pull the engine and trans together, and separate the pair on the floor.
Replace the entire clutch assembly, Pressure plate, disc and release bearing. I prefer Borg and Beck parts... It is what they came with.
Things you might want to do while you are at it...Trans mounts. Flush and fill the tranny with the correct oil.
MGBs are great fun cars. I have had several over the years...

Posted by: jesse in dc at December 12, 2021 09:03 PM (kTRt4)

356 Viet Nam war was soooo messed up, and our guys didn't even get well-deserved respect upon return.

Posted by: JQ at December 12, 2021 08:47 PM (dB4Iz)

Yes!
And I will stop now!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Lie back and think of the sweet graft! ~ at December 12, 2021 09:03 PM (hOUT3)

357 I use Kroil in small amounts, indoors, have never found it to be an issue.

Way back when I was trying every trick to clean up a few Mosin bores, I stood a receiver, bore plugged at chamber, vertically, filled with Kroil, for a week or two. Don't recall it making much difference. After draining, and crude patching to remove most of the oil, I would brush it out vigorously when doing this. I think this, plus my redneck/garage gunsmith attempt at electronic bore cleaning, might have brightened up one out of 5 bores. They shoot just fine, though.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 12, 2021 09:04 PM (OTzUX)

358 Weasel, as you may remember, I drafted my own trust (after reviewing yours). I just had it reviewed by one of my peers, in the context of overall estate planning.
It passed with flying colors.

Posted by: RI Red at December 12, 2021 09:04 PM (d2eG6)

359 I always considered the Mak as a "back of the head" gun....

Posted by: OrangeEnt

A Makarov has a little more umph than a .380 but less than a regular 9mm Luger cartridge. Silver Bear and maybe Hornady do and did make some self defense ammo for it. Odd bullet size though.

The old Russian Nagant revolvers though are a back of the head sort of firearm. About on par with the 32 Long.

Posted by: whig at December 12, 2021 09:05 PM (9hXN1)

360 345 What kind of rifle is NOT an assault rifle?

Posted by: Just Wondering

French Army?

Posted by: davidt at December 12, 2021 09:05 PM (VvoAI)

361 last one, I promise:

Quote Tweet Breaking911 @Breaking911; 7h
Pres. Biden on bipartisanship: "We used to have an awful lot of that relationship & it still exists except that the QAnon & the extreme elements of the Republican Party & what Donald Trump keeps sort of -- seems to me -- feeding, you know, with the Big Lie. It makes it awful hard."

Jack Posobiec @JackPosobiec; 4h
Biden has decided to blame his bad polling numbers on QAnon

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at December 12, 2021 09:06 PM (UHVv4)

362 Weasel I just ordered another variety pack of see-gars, includes a CAO Brazilia (robusto) but not that brand you showed tonight, which you've mentioned previously. I'm very methodically sampling my way through part of the vast available options.

Also ordered a triple-flame table top torch lighter. Have a fantastic single-flame torch (running 15 years now), but as I only burn 'em outside, I need more firepower given breeze and cooler temps.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 12, 2021 09:08 PM (OTzUX)

363 Posted by: RI Red at December 12, 2021 09:04 PM (d2eG6)
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I do remember! Might be something the group would like to hear more about.

Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 09:08 PM (0IeYL)

364 whig at December 12, 2021 08:56 PM (9hXN1)
Thanks, Whig.

Posted by: Ed L at December 12, 2021 09:08 PM (NacE+)

365 Posted by: Ed L at December 12, 2021 08:59 PM (NacE+)

I have a photo of my Dad riding on the top of an M-16 at the Fulda Gap. He was bad assed.

Posted by: Javems at December 12, 2021 09:08 PM (AmoqO)

366 Ed L brought a yippie ki yay combo of SP5 and Beretta 92FS. Good shoot day.
Posted by: blaster
You have friends with excellent tastes in firearms.
Posted by: whig at December 12, 2021 08:57 PM (9hXN1)

I must admit, I have SP5 envy. What a lovely shooting "device". Blaster and I both felt like we were cheating, because it was so easy to hit what you intended to shoot at!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Lie back and think of the sweet graft! ~ at December 12, 2021 09:10 PM (hOUT3)

367 Maybe I'll try one out on my suppressed 300 BLK. And BTW, do those "gas busting" charging handles actually work?

Posted by: PacosMojo

That has a mixed reputation from what I've read plus pricier than good adjustable blocks on sale. I generally build my own AR's and so adjustable gas blocks are as easy to put on an barrel as a fixed one. I used the Rubber City gas key on a short barrel AR pistol simply because it had a fixed F sight-gas block pinned to the barrel. Was a Rem/Bushmaster bankruptcy inventory sale which was chrome lined and cheap.

Posted by: whig at December 12, 2021 09:10 PM (9hXN1)

368 Posted by: rhomboid at December 12, 2021 09:08 PM (OTzUX)
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I thought I'd featured it before. Smoking one right now! I have butane lighters but most often use my trusty old Zippo. I know lots of cigar aficionado types will recoil at the idea, but I like it!

Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 09:10 PM (0IeYL)

369 The XM177E2 was always a fav of mine. I always called them CAR15s. I love that frigging rifle.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 12, 2021 09:10 PM (R9T4O)

370 >>>I used the Rubber City Armory gas key adjustable on an AR pistol and it works fine on regular 55 gr. range fodder. I use the adjustable gas blocks on my larger caliber ARs to reduce the need for heavy recoil buffers and to adjust between ammo. I use the cheapo adjustables for range carbines dedicated to specific sd loads.

Posted by: whig at December 12, 2021 08:51 PM (9hXN1)

I had not heard of adjustable gas keys before, whig. Thanks for your discussion about them. I'm going to get one from Rubber City and try it out.

Posted by: Gref at December 12, 2021 09:11 PM (AMIL/)

371
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Lie back and think of the sweet graft! ~ at December 12, 2021 09:10 PM (hOUT3)
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I have a couple of vids at the farm shooting full-auto MP5s you might like to watch.

Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 09:12 PM (0IeYL)

372 Posted by: Ed L
No problem EdL. Kroil is a useful product to have around for a lot of gun and general application.

Posted by: whig at December 12, 2021 09:12 PM (9hXN1)

373 No, I haven't been to the range. I had to take my shotgun to the gunsmith - it was dimpling the shells. He's got it cleared up, at least for the time being; but I'm going to have to learn how to disassemble it complete to clean the firing-pin mechanism.

As for gun in school, I think one of the best things for my youngest son was his learning how to shoot a shotgun in Boy Scouts. Being entrusted with a gun and being trained in how to handle it safely teaches responsibility like nothing else I can think of. Of course, "education" these days seems tuned to inculcating passivity and irresponsibility, or so it seems to me. (Grrrr ... the kids these days! Get off my lawn!)

Posted by: Nemo at December 12, 2021 09:12 PM (S6ArX)

374 I had not heard of adjustable gas keys before, whig. Thanks for your discussion about them. I'm going to get one from Rubber City and try it out.

Posted by: Gref

You are welcome, Sun Devil Mfg. also makes one but I like the RCA one a bit more as the Sun Devil used to have the rep of coming loose at times.

Posted by: whig at December 12, 2021 09:14 PM (9hXN1)

375 My fave gub is a Ruger 944 (40 S+W)

Bought the "dartboard" style targets for range practice, LOL. A bit heavy, but fun right out-of-the-box.

Then got a XD, subcompact 9... harder to hit with lightweight and short barrel, but I'm improving. Slowly.

Posted by: JQ at December 12, 2021 09:15 PM (dB4Iz)

376 Posted by: Nemo at December 12, 2021 09:12 PM (S6ArX)
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Howdy Nemo! Welcome!

Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 09:15 PM (0IeYL)

377 Yes sir Weasel, the knee is doing well.

Posted by: Rancherbob at December 12, 2021 09:16 PM (gtu9W)

378
Posted by: Rancherbob at December 12, 2021 09:16 PM (gtu9W)
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Happy to hear it!

Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 09:16 PM (0IeYL)

379 Whig, lots of good info. At the bottom of the lake I have a Bushmaster I might want to put a gas key on.
I'd need some scuba gear, but what the heck.

Posted by: RI Red at December 12, 2021 09:17 PM (a8b7P)

380 The Mantis mentions last week and this week encouraged me to get back to training with my Strikeman laser system. 60 shots weak-handed, 60 shots strong-handed. I'm going to try to run that drill daily and work on improving my grip strength.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at December 12, 2021 09:18 PM (Agr8U)

381 I have a couple of vids at the farm shooting full-auto MP5s you might like to watch.
Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 09:12 PM (0IeYL)

Yes indeed, I would. From my limited experience, that just seems like an excellence in design process that yielded an intuitively usable weapon.

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Lie back and think of the sweet graft! ~ at December 12, 2021 09:18 PM (hOUT3)

382 Hrothgar, if you can order one from somewhere at MSRP and have the scratch to do so, I say do it. The SP5 epitomizes the adage, "Buy once, cry once."

Posted by: Ed L at December 12, 2021 09:19 PM (NacE+)

383 OK, 9:20ish thank you time!
Thank You!!

It's really nice to see some many new nics tonight. I appreciate you all speaking up! Of course, I owe a debt of gratitude to all of our regulars - you guys and gals are what makes this fun.

Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 09:19 PM (0IeYL)

384 You can get the Laugo Arms Alien 9mm pistol for the low low price of $3999.00.

Posted by: Just a side note at December 12, 2021 09:19 PM (HaNEn)

385 Of course, "education" these days seems tuned to inculcating passivity and irresponsibility, or so it seems to me. (Grrrr ... the kids these days! Get off my lawn!)
Posted by: Nemo at December 12, 2021 09:12 PM (S6ArX)

But at least, they now know how to wear masks!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Lie back and think of the sweet graft! ~ at December 12, 2021 09:20 PM (hOUT3)

386 Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at December 12, 2021 09:18 PM (Agr8U)
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That's the way to do it. Have a plan and work the plan. Good job!

Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 09:21 PM (0IeYL)

387 Hrothgar, if you can order one from somewhere at MSRP and have the scratch to do so, I say do it. The SP5 epitomizes the adage, "Buy once, cry once."
Posted by: Ed L at December 12, 2021 09:19 PM (NacE+)

Your sales pitch is working, and I think I can get another 100k miles out of the lexus so...

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Lie back and think of the sweet graft! ~ at December 12, 2021 09:22 PM (hOUT3)

388 Then got a XD, subcompact 9... harder to hit with lightweight and short barrel, but I'm improving. Slowly.

Posted by: JQ

The subcompacts are definitely harder to handle than full size firearms. I have an XDS and I have to pay attention when firing it as recoil control is a must to hold it online. You might try carrying and try shooting the Hornady Critical Defense Light 100 gr for serious purposes and try Federal Syntech for practice ammo.

Posted by: whig at December 12, 2021 09:22 PM (9hXN1)

389 384....

Hopefully enough well-heeled shooters "buy in", thus making the technology a bit more affordable in the future.

Posted by: PacosMojo at December 12, 2021 09:24 PM (cOyfh)

390 Here are a couple of MP5 vids from WA.

https://tinyurl.com/yckuce3p

https://tinyurl.com/yck9ay8v

Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 09:24 PM (0IeYL)

391 Long time lurker here. I just moved from chgo burbs to Nashville area. I have my own gun range. Will send pics next

Posted by: Biggest at December 12, 2021 09:25 PM (/nQzz)

392 379 Whig, lots of good info. At the bottom of the lake I have a Bushmaster I might want to put a gas key on.
I'd need some scuba gear, but what the heck.

Posted by: RI Red
Thanks.

Well, old bushmasters usually have chrome lined barrels so drain the water and clean out the fish and it will be fine.

I've used adjustable gas systems since I started building AR's years ago. They have come down a lot in price and usability. Part of the need for it was that the AR was designed around a 20 inch barrel and shortening that gas system led to hickups in functioning and parts wear.

Posted by: whig at December 12, 2021 09:26 PM (9hXN1)

393 "How do you practice with the Mossberg?"

My local (outdoor) range here in WV has one lane set aside for shotguns, although you're limited to using birdshot.

Posted by: ShoelesJoe at December 12, 2021 09:27 PM (Rl0o6)

394 Posted by: Biggest at December 12, 2021 09:25 PM (/nQzz)
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Welcome to the Gun Thread - would love to see your range! Email is at the bottom of the thread. Thanks!!

Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 09:27 PM (0IeYL)

395 391 Long time lurker here. I just moved from chgo burbs to Nashville area. I have my own gun range. Will send pics next

Posted by: Biggest

Welcome to the gun thread. Weasel and the rest of the gang like me look forward to your pix.

Posted by: whig at December 12, 2021 09:27 PM (9hXN1)

396 377 Yes sir Weasel, the knee is doing well.

Posted by: Rancherbob at December 12, 2021 09:16 P
Got a friend who had one knee done (and straightened) and is now bowlegged on one side. Hope you don't end up like that, Bob.

Posted by: Eromero at December 12, 2021 09:28 PM (0OP+5)

397 Posted by: Eromero at December 12, 2021 09:28 PM (0OP+5)
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I don't know - bowleggedbob has a nice ring to it!

Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 09:29 PM (0IeYL)

398 Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 09:24 PM (0IeYL)

Sweet!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Lie back and think of the sweet graft! ~ at December 12, 2021 09:29 PM (hOUT3)

399 Sweet!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Lie back and think of the sweet graft! ~ at December 12, 2021 09:29 PM (hOUT3)
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They're a lot of fun, but do go through 9mm pretty efficiently.

Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 09:30 PM (0IeYL)

400 ..Got a friend who had one knee done (and straightened) and is now bowlegged on one side. Hope you don't end up like that, Bob. Posted by: Eromero at December 12, 2021 09:28 PM (0OP+5)

I'd imagine that Cow Horse Queen could find him a suitably shaped horse to match?

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at December 12, 2021 09:31 PM (QzJWU)

401 373 No, I haven't been to the range. I had to take my shotgun to the gunsmith - it was dimpling the shells. He's got it cleared up, at least for the time being; but I'm going to have to learn how to disassemble it complete to clean the firing-pin mechanism.

Posted by: Nemo

You might try using something like a spray cleaning solvent first before disassembly. See if that helps. Your gunsmith might also have an ultrasonic tank to clean the bolt (if it doesn't have aluminum or plated parts) without disassembly. Some of those shotgun bolts are a pain to disassembly and put back together. Some aren't.

If you disassemble, wear safety glasses and you might try disassembly in a cardboard box--if the spring lets loose as some do, the box will capture the parts.

Posted by: whig at December 12, 2021 09:32 PM (9hXN1)

402 Howdy horde! Late to the gun thread but couldn't miss Yellowstone. Give me a break... it's one of the very few shows I watch.

Posted by: Jewells45 deplorablethug#FJB at December 12, 2021 09:32 PM (nxdel)

403 I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a deer snack stick today.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 12, 2021 09:32 PM (EZebt)

404 Time for nighty-nite.
Nice to see lots of new nics.
Thx, Boss W.

Posted by: RI Red at December 12, 2021 09:32 PM (a8b7P)

405 Thanks Weasel for the gun thread this week. The weather and current location has had me kept away from the range.

Posted by: whig at December 12, 2021 09:33 PM (9hXN1)

406 Howdy Jewells!

Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 09:33 PM (0IeYL)

407 Posted by: RI Red at December 12, 2021 09:32 PM (a8b7P)
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Nite pal!

Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 09:33 PM (0IeYL)

408 Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Lie back and think of the sweet graft! ~ at December 12, 2021 09:22 PM (hOUT3)
Hrothgar, the one downside to the SP5 is urge to keep accessorizing it. First is the brace. Then a good 9mm suppressor. Extra magazines, of course. After that, a Surefire tactical light fore end. That's before the Picatinny rail, red dot sights, double mag holders...

Posted by: Ed L at December 12, 2021 09:34 PM (NacE+)

409 Posted by: whig at December 12, 2021 09:33 PM (9hXN1)
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My pleasure whig. There is always next week!

Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 09:34 PM (0IeYL)

410 Thank you Weasel and Horde!

Welcome to all the former lurkers!

Posted by: screaming in digital at December 12, 2021 09:34 PM (kTRt4)

411 {{{Jewells}}}

Do we need to discuss priorities?

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Lie back and think of the sweet graft! ~ at December 12, 2021 09:34 PM (hOUT3)

412 Hey Weasel! Getting to the range next week. This week is crazy but I figure Christmas week.. not too many people. Been a few months but we'll see how I do. I sure miss it.

Posted by: Jewells45 deplorablethug#FJB at December 12, 2021 09:35 PM (nxdel)

413 So Marine has a Mosin.
Beautiful wood stock. How do I deep treat it.
He won't be home for at least four months, so it will have time to absorb oil.

Hints?

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 12, 2021 09:36 PM (U2p+3)

414 Posted by: Ed L at December 12, 2021 09:34 PM (NacE+)

So you're saying maybe I should try for another 200k miles on the lexus?

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Lie back and think of the sweet graft! ~ at December 12, 2021 09:36 PM (hOUT3)

415 Posted by: screaming in digital at December 12, 2021 09:34 PM (kTRt4)
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Happy to do it! Thanks for tuning in, and keep up the good work at the range!

Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 09:36 PM (0IeYL)

416 I'm so late getting here. On the bright side, lots of comments to read.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 12, 2021 09:37 PM (rdbLX)

417 Posted by: Jewells45 deplorablethug#FJB at December 12, 2021 09:35 PM (nxdel)
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Good for you! Send me a note and let me know how it goes!

Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 09:37 PM (0IeYL)

418 Do we need to discuss priorities?

lol.. no. Laying on the heating pad with Moose in my lap was actually kind of nice. Watching Yellowstone was just a bonus.

Posted by: Jewells45 deplorablethug#FJB at December 12, 2021 09:37 PM (nxdel)

419 Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 12, 2021 09:37 PM (rdbLX)
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Howdy G'rump!

Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 09:38 PM (0IeYL)

420 Will do Weasel. If I faired halfway decent I'll send you pics.

Posted by: Jewells45 deplorablethug#FJB at December 12, 2021 09:38 PM (nxdel)

421 Hmm, looks like Anne Rice just won the Hank Aaron award...

Posted by: Obligatory at December 12, 2021 09:38 PM (ESjRY)

422 Posted by: Jewells45 deplorablethug#FJB at December 12, 2021 09:38 PM (nxdel)
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Aim for the middle!

Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 09:39 PM (0IeYL)

423 Laying on the heating pad with Moose in my lap was actually kind of nice. Watching Yellowstone was just a bonus.
Posted by: Jewells45 deplorablethug#FJB at December 12, 2021 09:37 PM (nxdel)

Conor approves!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Lie back and think of the sweet graft! ~ at December 12, 2021 09:40 PM (hOUT3)

424 I'm old enough to remember when I was 16, and showing off my cool Tula SKS to my Vietnamese girlfriend, and she was all "yeah, we used to train on these when I was like ten."

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 12, 2021 09:40 PM (2ABQr)

425 Hrothgar, yes. Guns can be an appreciating asset if you take care of them. This is especially true of desirable guns like the SP5. Cars (especially new cars) are a depreciating asset. Taking care of a car only slows the depreciation rate.

Posted by: Ed L at December 12, 2021 09:40 PM (NacE+)

426 Beautiful wood stock. How do I deep treat it.

Is it laminate, like plywood, or a solid piece of birch?

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 12, 2021 09:40 PM (rdbLX)

427 Howdy G'rump!
Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 09:38 PM (0IeYL)

*gives manly nod to Weasel*

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 12, 2021 09:41 PM (rdbLX)

428 My local (outdoor) range here in WV has one lane set aside for shotguns, although you're limited to using birdshot.
Posted by: ShoelesJoe
Ah okay. Just curious about that.

Posted by: MikeM at December 12, 2021 09:41 PM (Ih4ii)

429 Taking care of a car only slows the depreciation rate.
Posted by: Ed L at December 12, 2021 09:40 PM (NacE+)

Never own a car that is less than ten years old!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Lie back and think of the sweet graft! ~ at December 12, 2021 09:42 PM (hOUT3)

430 Weasel, thanks for all you do in hosting the thread. See everyone next week!

Posted by: Ed L at December 12, 2021 09:42 PM (NacE+)

431
*gives manly nod to Weasel*
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 12, 2021 09:41 PM (rdbLX)
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Comin' in for a brohug!

Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 09:42 PM (0IeYL)

432 Thanks, whig!

The Ruger is my most fave and so far I only "purse-carry" with it. Need to change this. It's got aluminum slide, so not as heavy as many other full-size frames.

XD came with hard plastic holster and dual-mag holster but I don't usually wear a belt, don't find them comfortable at all.

Posted by: JQ at December 12, 2021 09:43 PM (dB4Iz)

433 Posted by: Ed L at December 12, 2021 09:42 PM (NacE+)
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My pleasure, Ed L! Thanks again!!

Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 09:43 PM (0IeYL)

434 124 Spielberg redid west side story?
And bombed. Turned out there wasn't a market for a wokified West Side Story.

From the tongue-bath the "stars" got on NPR this morning, I thought it was rocking Broadway! They hid the wokitude well, but I smelled a rat.

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at December 12, 2021 09:45 PM (9EsIa)

435 Is it laminate, like plywood, or a solid piece of birch?
Posted by: G'rump928(c)

No laminate. It's beautiful wood. I don't know if it's birch or walnut.

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 12, 2021 09:45 PM (U2p+3)

436 XD came with hard plastic holster and dual-mag holster but I don't usually wear a belt, don't find them comfortable at all.

Posted by: JQ

No problem JQ,
There are some nice holsters for the XD in leather if you want--Bianchi makes several as do other makers. Just thought of one other thing that will help recoil, consider putting a light/laser combo on the accessory rail as that will hold the muzzle down when firing and make it easier for repeat shots. Reduce recoil a tad too.

Posted by: whig at December 12, 2021 09:46 PM (9hXN1)

437 nurse.. maybe text me a good close up of the front receiver ring of your son's Mosin? With wood that beautiful, it very well might be a Polish made (1952/1953) variant. Which are relatively scarce, and very highly sought after.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at December 12, 2021 09:48 PM (QzJWU)

438 435 Nurse, most of the Mosin stocks are stained birch with shellac over the stain as issued. If it has extreme striping, then it is probably a laminate stock where slivers of wood are bonded together with glue. If you send a pix to Weasel, we can help identify it and what to do with it--shellac seals the stock so putting oil on it will simply make a mess, ditto for any poly finished stock.

Posted by: whig at December 12, 2021 09:49 PM (9hXN1)

439 Jim.

I will text a picture

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 12, 2021 09:49 PM (U2p+3)

440 Lurker delurking.
I'm a collector of surplus guns. US, German, Japanese, Russian, Czech, British, Canadian, Swisscand Swedish so far.
Recently my oh-so-modern son talked me into an AR rifle but I did it my way with an M16-A1 upper, parkerized metal and walnut furniture because real guns have wood.
Oh yes, I live in .CA for the the time being making it that much more challenging.

Posted by: Max Entropy at December 12, 2021 09:49 PM (rGssv)

441 Oh yes, I live in .CA for the the time being making it that much more challenging.

Posted by: Max Entropy

Welcome Max, you will find several of us collect old milsurps and shoot them.

Posted by: whig at December 12, 2021 09:51 PM (9hXN1)

442 I've never really understood the high-end market for rare carbines. They're carbines. Rarity isn't really the point of them. They're not like a fine hunting rifle.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 12, 2021 09:51 PM (2ABQr)

443 Posted by: Max Entropy at December 12, 2021 09:49 PM (rGssv)
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Howdy and welcome! Nice to have you joining in!

Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 09:51 PM (0IeYL)

444 No laminate. It's beautiful wood. I don't know if it's birch or walnut.
Posted by: nurse ratched at December 12, 2021 09:45 PM (U2p+3)

Reddish brown stain and lacquer would be original. I am always a fan of boiled linseed oil for military rifles though.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 12, 2021 09:53 PM (rdbLX)

445 Nice to see so many new faces tonight! I was once a new face myself, but I attended TxMoMe 2021 and I got better.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at December 12, 2021 09:54 PM (Agr8U)

446 445 Nice to see so many new faces tonight! I was once a new face myself, but I attended TxMoMe 2021 and I got better.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at December 12, 2021 09:54 PM (Agr8U)
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It's really nice!

Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 09:56 PM (0IeYL)

447 442 YD scarcity and demand is what sets the price.
Some gun people only collect and right now WWII related gear is hot. 60 years ago, it was old Civil War blackpowder and Old West due to a bunch of Westerns and the Civil War centennial, and so on.

WWI centennial spurred WWI arms getting a boost in price after languishing for years. Even new gaming software can spur demand for a particular rifle like the French Lebel.

That being said, the M1 carbine is a fun gun to shoot, easy to reload for, and tame in recoil. If a firearm has already been shot, then it doesn't hurt the value to fire it now and again even if rare.

Posted by: whig at December 12, 2021 09:57 PM (9hXN1)

448 Weasel, thank you for another edition of your ongoing chronicle of truth, ballistics, and The American Way.

OT: If anyone can get JJ Sefton's attention, please have him email me (see nic) as I have a vintage Dewalt radial saw I'd like to give to his new shop, coming soon to the upper midwest.

On topic: Does anyone here have any experience with odd .22LR loads? Recently bought some 60gr .22LR Aguila ammo to try in my S&W 317 revolver. Also shot a couple of Federal .22LR ratshot rounds (all-brass crimped case) which resulted in a straight-wall case just under 1" long, empty. A Stinger case is around 3/4" and a standard .22LR case, about 5/8", with the Aguila case around 1/2" long, roughly equal to a .22 short. It strikes me "they" could make a .22 round with the shotshell brass and a heavy bullet, 50-60gr, taking the velocity from 960fps in the subsonic Aguila up to the 12-1600fps range, that could *only* be loaded into a revolver or a bolt-action with a suitable chamber (which I admittedly know little about). Any suggestions or friends at ammo manufacturers?

Posted by: Cowboyneal at December 12, 2021 09:57 PM (U2zo0)

449 Nurse. Also, we'll dig you out some research on why you do NOT sand-down a Mosin Nagant with a shellacked stock.

I forget exactly which toxin is in the dust, but it's in the dust. If you do have to strip off the finish, it's done by chemical means, not by way of sanding.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at December 12, 2021 09:57 PM (QzJWU)

450 My old SKS is going for about 1K now, and I can't figure why. They made like 3 million of these things.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 12, 2021 09:58 PM (2ABQr)

451 Not likely to make it to TX, due to hubby's health issues.

Sad. Sounds like an excellent shindig!

Thanks for the gub threads, Weasel! So much info!

Posted by: JQ at December 12, 2021 09:58 PM (dB4Iz)

452 Posted by: Cowboyneal at December 12, 2021 09:57 PM (U2zo0)
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My pleasure!

Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 09:58 PM (0IeYL)

453 ONT nood

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at December 12, 2021 09:58 PM (Agr8U)

454 OK, ONT is up everyone!

Please enjoy the rest of your evening and have a great week. Hope to see you here next Sunday!

Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 09:58 PM (0IeYL)

455 Posted by: JQ at December 12, 2021 09:58 PM (dB4Iz)
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Happy to do it. Thanks for tuning in!

Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 09:59 PM (0IeYL)

456 My range report from Nebraska: 200 rounds thru a Kahr/Auto-Ordnance M1911A1. Background: Got it for a good price, seller claimed it was a safe queen. It was dry...lubed the hell out of it. Installed Hogue 45000 grips. Didn't like the trigger either, so I installed a GI trigger. Sighting was reasonable...holy crap its been awhile since I was a young 2LT. No issues with stoppages so I was overall satisfied. Next step is to install an extended mag release. Good recoil therapy...and happy to see reasonably priced .45 ACP on the shelves again.

Posted by: pilsnerfan at December 12, 2021 10:01 PM (CHorZ)

457 AR sight - Primary Arms 4-14 HUD-DMR ACSS 5.56 this scope gives me holds and ranging for a 19" IPSC target out to 1000 yards, plus 5 and 10 mph windage holds. It also has ranging and leads for military walking and running targets at 3, 4, and 5 hundred yards. It is designed for standard M193, 55 gr, but as adjusted on my rifle gives holds within and inch or so for mk-262 77 Grain as well.

I like this scope very much for its around $300 cost.
Plus, Primary Arms is here in the Houston Area, not very far from my house.

$300 dollar scope with a $3000 reticle.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at December 12, 2021 10:01 PM (ctFUD)

458 Posted by: pilsnerfan at December 12, 2021 10:01 PM (CHorZ)
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Howdy and welcome! We'd love to see pictures!

Posted by: Weasel at December 12, 2021 10:03 PM (0IeYL)

459 Meanwhile, my buddy has an IBM M1 that's only worth about $700. I remember when those used to go for 1K, and that was almost 20 years ago, when the dollar was still valuable. It's a weird market.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 12, 2021 10:04 PM (2ABQr)

460 449 Jim,
Arisakas used poison sumac as a finish (Japanese lacquer). If you sand those, the dust will be inhaled and cause a reaction on the inside of your lungs. Finish can only be removed by liquid stripping agents with protective gear.

Mosin finishes used regular shellac and that can be stripped easily with denatured alcohol. The only issue is that will normally remove some of the stain as well. Another is to layer shellac by sanding with very fine sandpaper, applying a new layer of shellac, let it dry, sand, put another layer of shellac, etc. Depending on what was used, you can normally go from 3-6 layers of shellac thick.

Major reason that you do not sand down military stocks is most people use too heavy grit when doing so and damage the cartouches as well as making the stocks out of proportion. Sometimes, on stocks like walnut, you can develop sensitivity to it by breathing in the dust. Occasionally, on newer shellac, it has some heavy metals in it to spur drying which calls for wet sanding if you have to do it. Collectors like the original as issued condition which in Mosins, most of the Russian ones were re-arseneled anyway post WWII for storage.

Posted by: whig at December 12, 2021 10:08 PM (9hXN1)

461 YD, these are the factors that impact prices for vintage firearms:
- Original condition (original components as it came off the production line)
- High condition (no/minimal wear and tear)
- Provenance (where it's been during its military service life)
Combine all three, and you have a high value collectible hitting five figures. A rebuilt, reconditioned firearm in poor shape with lots of wear, with no record of its service beyond its delivery date to US Army Ordinance is unlikely to get more than $1,000.

Posted by: Ed L at December 12, 2021 10:12 PM (NacE+)

462 Mike M...Re, the Model 21. I use minimal CLP, and run CCI stingers....mine runs like a champ....Jasonj

Posted by: jasonj at December 12, 2021 11:57 PM (ocTOb)

463 Nurse,
I right-kidney carry a G30 in a Vedder IWB and just accept that I'm gonna have to unzip to draw. Here in the South Sound the weather is just as shitty and unpredictable as it is up there.
I'm SE of Graham and 'Rainier' is in my back yard...

Posted by: ChrisP at December 13, 2021 12:18 AM (GWAwu)

464 Posted by: 449�Nurse. Also, we'll dig you out some research on why you do NOT sand-down a Mosin Nagant with a shellacked stock.

I forget exactly which toxin is in the dust, but it's in the dust. If you do have to strip off the finish, it's done by chemical means, not by way of sanding.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
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Was that the Japanese Arisaka that you were thinking of? They were sometimes finished with urishiol oil, the active ingredient in poison oak and poison ivy. You don't want to inhale that.

Posted by: Max Entropy at December 13, 2021 12:22 AM (rGssv)

465 Thanks for the replies about the Mantis!

Posted by: JerseyDevilRider at December 13, 2021 07:54 AM (XEfn8)

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