Alec Baldwin Shows Infamous Hot Temper, Chases Questioner Even As DA Is Considering Charging Him In Shooting Death of Cinematographer<br>Plus: Alec Baldwin -- Murderer?

Alec Baldwin Shows Infamous Hot Temper, Chases Questioner Even As DA Is Considering Charging Him In Shooting Death of Cinematographer
Plus: Alec Baldwin -- Murderer?

This is a man full of range and impulse.

After that video, a video of Viva Frei discussing why he thinks that Alec Baldwin probably deliberately fired the gun in a rage.

No, he didn't know there was a bullet in it (we assume). But this is a man we have repeatedly seen provoked into rage over trifles. And here he was, being ordered about by a female cinematographer, rather than a male director (and it's always directors who give orders to actors, not cinematographers).

To make his point, Viva Frei takes us through a quick recap of Baldwin's well-known rage and impulse control issues, from "selfish rotten little pig" to molesting papparazzi.

His logic makes sense: Baldwin was, as usual, in a mad rage over nothing, and forgot himself, and forgot all of his gun safety training, and angrily pointed the gun at the cinematographer and angrily pulled the trigger.

This accords with the first reports from the set which said that Baldwin did exactly that: That he said, angrily, "You want it like that?!" as he pulled the trigger.

Note this wouldn't make it murder, as he wouldn't have intended to shoot and kill the woman, as he wouldn't have known the gun was loaded with a bullet. (Although see below.)

It would start to put him on the hook for something like criminally negligent homicide.

NEW … I ran into Alec Baldwin on the Upper East Side pic.twitter.com/8pG5Vpshw2
— Jon Levine (@LevineJonathan) December 7, 2021

Andrew "Law of Self Defense" Branca was impressed by Viva Frei's argument and carried it further, wondering if, were it true that Baldwin had angrily pulled the trigger of a gun while aiming it at a human being, he could/would be charged with actual murder.

Or felony murder, to be precise. Branca wonders if Baldwin's hypothetical angry, deliberate snapping of the gun at Helenya Hutchins could be construed as a battery, which is a felony. A predicate felony for applying the felony murder rule, which says that if a death then occurs in the commission of any predicate felony (such as battery), the person committing that felony may be charged with murder, whether he intended to commit murder or not.

Under New Mexico law, an unlawful intentional touching or application of force done in an angry manner qualifies as a simple battery (s. 30-3-4. Battery). Of course, we're presuming that Baldwin never intended to actually apply force to Hutchins.
Nevertheless, merely putting someone in fear of an imminent battery is itself a crime. Under New Mexico law, menacing conduct which causes another person to reasonably believe that he is in danger of receiving an immediate battery qualifies as misdemeanor simple assault (. 30-3-1. Assault).
Further, a gun, a deadly weapon, was used here, and unlawfully assaulting someone with a deadly weapon meaning putting them in fear of imminent harm from the gun, escalates the criminal offense to felony aggravated assault (s. 30-3-2. Aggravated assault).
And, finally, under New Mexico law the killing of one human being by another without lawful justification in the commission of any felony qualifies as felony murder, a murder in the first degree (s. 30-2-1 Murder).

I don't buy any of that because, if Hutchins' assumption was that the gun was unloaded, she could not fear an imminent unlawful application of force.

Still -- fun to think about!

There's another way to skin that cat, though I don't imagine it would apply, the so-called "depraved heart" murder rule, which is mentioned in the third clause here:

A. Murder in the first degree is the killing of one human being by another without lawful justification or excuse, by any of the means with which death may be caused:
(1) by any kind of willful, deliberate and premeditated killing;
(2) in the commission of or attempt to commit any felony; or
(3) by any act greatly dangerous to the lives of others, indicating a depraved mind regardless of human life.

The idea is that you act in a way that is so willfully in disregard to whether someone lives or dies it counts as intentional murder. It's called "depraved heart" in other states that employ the rule.

The trouble with that is: Well, you wouldn't want all accidental shootings to fall under this rule, so what would bring Baldwin's shooting into the "depraved mind" category? You could argue that he had prior knowledge that there were all sorts of problems with the guns and live ammo on the set, with people quitting over safety concerns. (He claimed he didn't hear about that but I'm sure he claimed that to avoid legal liability, and I'm sure this could be proven a lie.)

So he had a duty to act with even greater care, not the much reduced care he actually acted with.

Still, another big s-t-r-e-t-c-h.

But the idea of Alec Baldwin cooling his heels in jail for the rest of his life amuses me sufficiently to spend a few minutes trying to dream up ways in which it could possibly happen.

Don't drop the soap, Tough Guy.

Posted by: Ace at 01:03 PM

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1 Yep

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 07, 2021 01:03 PM (Z5y5O)

2 The gun did it all by itself!
Really! Swearzees

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at December 07, 2021 01:03 PM (Jn+M1)

3 Even if loaded with blanks, that would have probably cleaned out the colon.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 07, 2021 01:04 PM (csEWM)

4 Nooded

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 07, 2021 01:05 PM (Z5y5O)

5 His logic makes sense: Baldwin was, as usual, in a mad rage over nothing, and forgot himself, and forgot all of his gun safety training, and angrily pointed the gun at the cinematographer and angrily pulled the trigger.
++++
If that's the case, then Baldwin is a menace and should be locked up for the rest of his life. If you're emotional child who goes around being a rage monster at arbitrary annoyances and you brandish a gun at someone - let alone fire it - you're a a defective person. Whether you think it's loaded or not is quite beside the point.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 07, 2021 01:06 PM (DU+/6)

6 If y'all need your Emerald Robinson fix (and you know you do), catch her sub stack. She sent a cryptic Merry Christmas yesterday, which was weird, but makes sense now. Good stuff.

Mornin', ace!

Posted by: Catherine--who generally doesn't curse. at December 07, 2021 01:06 PM (YMrAv)

7 Alec can't even blame his rage on 'roids, unlike Fredo.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 07, 2021 01:07 PM (ptqGC)

8 Did he cry? You can get away with anything if you cry.

Posted by: Shooter McGavin at December 07, 2021 01:07 PM (DbZ8c)

9 Willowed.

Cary Grant goes gay all of a sudden.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EQDbDIz1Y0E

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 07, 2021 01:07 PM (FVME7)

10 The Trump Curse is real, folks.

Posted by: ... at December 07, 2021 01:07 PM (EmGQ6)

11 Alec can't even blame his rage on 'roids, unlike Fredo.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 07, 2021 01:07 PM (ptqGC)

He's just an asshole.

Posted by: Napoleon XIV at December 07, 2021 01:07 PM (AiZBA)

12 Inexplicably.

Posted by: wth at December 07, 2021 01:08 PM (v0R5T)

13 10 The Trump Curse is real, folks.
Posted by: ... at December 07, 2021 01:07 PM (EmGQ6)

-----

And spectacular.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 07, 2021 01:08 PM (ptqGC)

14 Did he cry? You can get away with anything if you cry.
Posted by: Shooter McGavin at December 07, 2021 01:07 PM (DbZ8c)
........

Or come out as gay.

Posted by: wth at December 07, 2021 01:08 PM (v0R5T)

15 I watched the Viva video before and he paints a very compelling picture. There's a bit of supposition and guesswork, but he keeps it to an absolute minimum, sticking to the facts where they are known and his filling in the blanks attempts seem reasonable and logical.

I especially like how he points out Baldwin's own retelling of events takes on potent meaning if you simply change the tone of voice.

Posted by: bonhomme at December 07, 2021 01:08 PM (sG4Hj)

16 Had to violate all four of the primary safety rules to end up shooting two people. "Ignorant Fudd" seems inadequate...

Posted by: Greyman27 at December 07, 2021 01:09 PM (RKLPC)

17 The trouble with that is: Well, you wouldn't want all accidental shootings to fall under this rule, so what would bring Baldwin's shooting into the "depraved mind" category?

This wasn't accidental. Not in the least.
Jeff Cooper's 4 Rules
RULE 1
ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED
The only exception to this occurs when one has a weapon in his hands and he has personally unloaded it for checking.
AS SOON AS HE PUTS IT DOWN, RULE 1 APPLIES AGAIN.

When it was handed to him, RULE 1 APPLIES.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2021 01:09 PM (M4qcY)

18 He's gone full Penguin!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 07, 2021 01:09 PM (FVME7)

19 The butch DA is enjoying making the media rounds this week. She says nothing will happen until early spring. Good grief.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 07, 2021 01:09 PM (4thlk)

20 Baldwin is going to get punished like McCabe was punished.

Posted by: Just a side note at December 07, 2021 01:09 PM (woCRW)

21 I think it's fair to assume that our currently leftist society will be looking to go easy on one of their comrades.
I can't picture a scenario in which Baldwin does any stretch of hard time.

He is going to be out of a lot of money though

Posted by: OneEyedJack at December 07, 2021 01:09 PM (MFphb)

22 >>>I especially like how he points out Baldwin's own retelling of events takes on potent meaning if you simply change the tone of voice.

yup, that was a great point.

Posted by: ace at December 07, 2021 01:10 PM (0G13K)

23 > If you're emotional child who goes around being a rage monster at arbitrary annoyances

There are tankerloads of evidence this is a perfectly accurate description of Alec Baldwin.

Posted by: bonhomme at December 07, 2021 01:10 PM (sG4Hj)

24 Kevlar is for closers.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at December 07, 2021 01:11 PM (vuisn)

25 mornin', catherine!

Posted by: ace at December 07, 2021 01:11 PM (0G13K)

26 Has he been tested for rabies?

Posted by: wth at December 07, 2021 01:11 PM (v0R5T)

27 BOB DOLE IS DEAD!?

Posted by: Slowpoke Reporter at December 07, 2021 01:11 PM (BCSAN)

28 I liked how Hilaria's "Spanish" accent is nowhere to be found in the first, how you say?, video.

Posted by: bonhomme at December 07, 2021 01:11 PM (sG4Hj)

29 If the cops show up at my house and I scream to them "I'm coming out with a gun. It's UNLOADED" and then level it at them and pull the trigger, what will the cops do?

What will they contend in their defense?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at December 07, 2021 01:11 PM (7F9te)

30 Let me tell you worthless sons a bitches something, if I ever run across anyone of you, you're getting accidentally shot in the face and then urinated on. I'm so enraged right now I can't think straight, unless it's about murdering, or eating.

#LetMePutMyBulletsInYou

Posted by: Alec Baldwin at December 07, 2021 01:12 PM (caxCA)

31 "Convicted felon Alec Baldwin" has a nice ring to it. As does, "Alec Baldwin, convicted felon who caused the death of another human being...." Bastard needs to pay for his crime.

Posted by: goatexchange at December 07, 2021 01:12 PM (APPN8)

32 I was gobsmacked when he said he felt no guilt over Halyna's death. Even if he wasn't the one holding the gun, the film was his production, and she was supposedly his friend. Wouldn't a normal person feel guilt under that circumstance?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 07, 2021 01:12 PM (ptqGC)

33 He's just an asshole.
Posted by: Napoleon XIV

The simplest explanations are usually the most accurate.

Posted by: Tonypete at December 07, 2021 01:12 PM (mD/uy)

34 If I was Baldwin, I'd be making large donations to everyone running for Governor of New Mexico, just in case.

Posted by: EveR at December 07, 2021 01:13 PM (EZeuH)

35 You could probably use a couple types of legal legerdemain to squeeze a murder charge out of this... but I wouldn't. DAs pull that kind of shit all the time, but on regular no-name people they can scare into pleading out on a lesser charge, or successfully demonize in front of a jury.

Baldwin isn't going to lay down and be railroaded into plea deal for a manslaughter charge, and if they put him in front of a jury, there will be at least couple people on it who will say "This seems rough to go for a murder charge, I'm acquitting." He's known to the public, and it'll be hard to make him out as a psychotic gangster, which is what it would take.

Don't overcharge this. Hit him with the manslaughter charge. You can win on that one. Still a tough row to hoe, not matter what, though. Strong likelihood of a juror saying "duuuuhhh, he can't be guilty, buuuh derrrp, he's in duh moviezzz and i lurv muh celebritiezzz.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 07, 2021 01:13 PM (2ABQr)

36 "Ryan, careful what you shoot at. Most thing-sh in here don't react well to bullet-sh."

Posted by: Greyman27 at December 07, 2021 01:13 PM (RKLPC)

37 OFF TOPIC, SORRY:

Saw something from Newsmax that Pope Francis is dying and a conclave is being prepared...?

Posted by: reason at December 07, 2021 01:13 PM (o0WIV)

38 Wouldn't a normal person feel guilt under that circumstance?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 07, 2021 01:12 PM (ptqGC)

Objection, assumes facts not in evidence.

Posted by: ... at December 07, 2021 01:13 PM (EmGQ6)

39 Durham will have his report on this in 2 weeks.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 07, 2021 01:14 PM (I13C0)

40 28 I liked how Hilaria's "Spanish" accent is nowhere to be found in the first, how you say?, video.

well she still had a stupid affected eurotrash type accent going on

Posted by: Black Orchid at December 07, 2021 01:14 PM (j9HX3)

41 If Frankie dies, doesn't the old pope become pope again?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 07, 2021 01:14 PM (I13C0)

42 Frankie the Red is close to mort?

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 07, 2021 01:15 PM (Z5y5O)

43 37 OFF TOPIC, SORRY:

Saw something from Newsmax that Pope Francis is dying and a conclave is being prepared...?
Posted by: reason at December 07, 2021 01:13 PM (o0WIV)

----/

Yeah, that popped up on a news alert on my phone. So far nothing else.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 07, 2021 01:15 PM (ptqGC)

44 I shot the cinematographer.
But I did not shoot no director

Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2021 01:15 PM (ZLI7S)

45 May have missed this, but when the gun was unloaded subsequently, were the remaining cartridges all blanks? Or were they all live rounds?

Posted by: irongrampa at December 07, 2021 01:15 PM (KATBx)

46 Dominion machines will do the papal ballot counting.

Tank Abrams is now pope by 326,882 votes.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 07, 2021 01:15 PM (I13C0)

47 Baldwin's rage reminds me of how Warner Herzog and Klaus Kinski seriously threatened to murder each other. Herzog talks about it some in his documentary about Kinski titled "My Best Friend," free on Youtube. https://tinyurl.com/27m8a5zc

Highlights: Herzog sincerely threatened Kinski with a murder/suicide using a rifle if Kinski proceeded with walking off the production. On the set of Fitzcarraldo, the chief of a native Amazonian tribe offered to Herzog to murder Kinski on the set because of Kinski's behavior. On the set of Aguirre, while an extra was sleeping, Kinski used a .45 pistol to shoot off his fingertip.

Posted by: Brisco County Sr at December 07, 2021 01:15 PM (5Rikf)

48 Once in prison, perhaps Baldwin can host a prison-based Match Game. Smollett can sit in the position on the panel where Charles Nelson Reilly sat.

Posted by: Curly Shuffle at December 07, 2021 01:16 PM (TNyrE)

49 Frankie the Red is close to mort?
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory

It is a red herring.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 07, 2021 01:16 PM (I13C0)

50 Baldwin is an unconscionable prick but unless it can be proven that he knew their was a live round in the fire arm after being told it was a cold gun, I don't see how he could be charged with murder.

Negligent homicide is even a stretch but I suppose if you tie it into the overall lack of process and procedure for handling weapons on set, then maybe, MAYBE, you can bang him on that.

Basically you need backwards to figure out how and why a live round came to be in that firearm.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 07, 2021 01:16 PM (iS1FW)

51 When that rotten bastard said he felt no guilt about that poor lady's death, I was convinced he was a flat-out psychopath. Pure evil.

Posted by: jmel at December 07, 2021 01:17 PM (RWHIh)

52 These two idiots (AB and his fake spanish wife) simply CANNOT resist any attention that is given them. That egomaniacal asshole sat for snuffalufagus's interview because he had to make sure that people heard his version. And the dipshit wife never DOESN'T get in the way of any cameras that come their way.
I fully expect them to fire up their twitterer accounts again within a week.
A toxic marriage of two gigantic attention whores.

Posted by: Appycay at December 07, 2021 01:17 PM (zGcp1)

53 Gene Rayburn > Alec Baldwin

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 07, 2021 01:17 PM (Z5y5O)

54 It's not a "depraved heart" murder because those almost always require the person to be directing his actions at multiple persons. The guy in Las Vegas, for example, didn't intend to kill a specific person in that crowd, which would normally be a first degree murder charge (intent, premeditation) but he fired into the crowd with a depraved heart/indifference, knowing he was likely going to kill someone. The Minnesota Supreme Court just ruled against the government that charged Noor with Murder 3 (depraved heart) in the Justine Damond killing, saying his actions were only directed at one person, so no murder 3. They've got the same overcharging problem with Chauvin and George Floyd. They charged him with depraved heart murder but his actions were clearly directed only at Floyd, so that charge is probably going to be reversed as well.
This is a case of manslaughter, and pretty clear cut.

Posted by: Mongoose at December 07, 2021 01:17 PM (FSgOU)

55 I honestly don't understand how he has not been charged with a crime yet. He pointed a loaded gun at someone and pulled the trigger. Not knowing it was loaded is not a criminal defense.

Unlike self defense if a skateboard is being swung at your head.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at December 07, 2021 01:17 PM (G0RGI)

56 Saw something from Newsmax that Pope Francis is dying and a conclave is being prepared...?

-
Well, George Soros is a little old for the job so I guess they have to find someone else. Rob Reiner would be a good pope.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 07, 2021 01:17 PM (FVME7)

57 BabylonBee: Bob Dole Switches To Democrat Party

.. being dead and all

Posted by: SMOD at December 07, 2021 01:18 PM (RHGPo)

58 > well she still had a stupid affected eurotrash type accent going on

Yeah, what was that? It's like she's over-rounding her vowels or something.

As a reminder, here's Hilaria on the Today show "forgetting" the word for cucumber.

https://youtu.be/mu5-OqiNO7k

Posted by: bonhomme at December 07, 2021 01:18 PM (sG4Hj)

59 RULE 1
ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED
The only exception to this occurs when one has a weapon in his hands and he has personally unloaded it for checking.
AS SOON AS HE PUTS IT DOWN, RULE 1 APPLIES AGAIN.

When it was handed to him, RULE 1 APPLIES.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2021 01:09 PM (M4qcY)

This is my default as well. Plus Turdbrain has always had an anger management issue. I was 100% on board the willful 1st degree murder charge from day one, because of RULE 1 anyway. Throw in the security and safety issues on site, then aggravate it all by Turdbrain's asshoe tendencies.

Posted by: BifBewalski @ (IJES/) - at December 07, 2021 01:18 PM (IJES/)

60 There are tankerloads of evidence this is a perfectly accurate description of Alec Baldwin.

Yeah I can rage enough that I recognize it in him. Combine that with being basically spoiled his whole life and a complete drunkard and you have a problem. This is not a man who denies himself anything

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2021 01:19 PM (KZzsI)

61 One intangible is the post-crime action of the perps, easy to see in the Smollett case, and it might be happening in Baldwin's case. With Smollett, it was clear early on that all that the Chicago PD wanted was an admission of fault and an apology - they were ready to drop the whole thing, no trial, if Jussie would have just hung his head and sweet talked them a little bit. But Jussie couldn't - he kept saying things like the Rayciss Cops wouldn't investigate, and he's been so ignorantly insulting of everyone that he might actually end up with a jail sentence, which basically will be for Criminally Running his Mouth and Wasting Everyone's Time with Bullshit.

Alec Baldwin's tweets and interviews may be having the same effect - indications are that the investigators are starting to get really pissed, and feel personally insulted at some of the crap Baldwin has been spewing in public.

It's never a good move to give someone who's investigating you a personal interest in taking you down a few pegs.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 07, 2021 01:19 PM (trdmm)

62 He should be left alone.

Posted by: Aunt Ralph at December 07, 2021 01:19 PM (WdI30)

63 I wonder if he's afraid of a jury trial.

He was so over-the-top ugly as his Trump caricature that many people:
- know who he is and hate him for it
- hate the Bad Orange Man so much they will hate him subconciously because he *was* the Bad Orange Man they hated

Posted by: reason at December 07, 2021 01:19 PM (o0WIV)

64 I've had a few former friends like Baldwin

not his level of fame and riches but still rich

and they were just as big of assholes

and I cut them loose cause it was only a matter of time before they blew up

and I didn't want to be near them when it happened

when I told them this, they didn't understand

Posted by: REDACTED at December 07, 2021 01:19 PM (us2H3)

65 Prediction: Not only will Baldwin escape any major criminal prosecution, but after the $ettlement$ for the civil suits, he will emerge as a prominent voice for strengthening "Gun Safety" laws.

i.e., them taking OUR guns from US, because HE was so very unsafe with HIS.

All while the very concept of hypocrisy never crosses his walnut-sized mind.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at December 07, 2021 01:20 PM (QzJWU)

66 Don't overcharge this. Hit him with the manslaughter charge. You can win on that one. Still a tough row to hoe, not matter what, though. Strong likelihood of a juror saying "duuuuhhh, he can't be guilty, buuuh derrrp, he's in duh moviezzz and i lurv muh celebritiezzz.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice

YD, using a murder charge along with lesser and included charges are often used so that the jurors can make a compromise verdict as well as for plea negotiations. A lot depends on NM law but Baldwin would not look so good if he is demonstrated to have a pattern of anger and abuse issues including a propensity for violence. Having a line up of witnesses that had been attacked verbally as well as physically by Baldwin would also make it difficult for the Hollywood machine to support him as well as star struck jurors.

In the end, I don't think he will face criminal charges but will lose in a civil trial perhaps even facing personal liability.

Posted by: whig at December 07, 2021 01:20 PM (9hXN1)

67 @55

>>I honestly don't understand how he has not been charged with a crime yet. He pointed a loaded gun at someone and pulled the trigger.

Because it's a film set of a western, and people point firearms at people on the sets of westerns and pull the trigger.

Again, Baldwin is an asshole, but it needs to be proven that he acted with malice and knowledge that the firearm he was given had a live round in it after being told it was a cold gun.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 07, 2021 01:20 PM (iS1FW)

68 Posted by: REDACTED at December 07, 2021 01:19 PM (us2H3)

I learned the hard way that dysfunction is contagious.

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 07, 2021 01:20 PM (oHd/0)

69 unless it can be proven that he knew their was a live round in the fire arm after being told it was a cold gun, I don't see how he could be charged with murder.

If he really did say the "reshoots" line and point the gun at someone to pull a trigger, then he's absolutely guilty of some homicide variant. If he was practicing for a scene, the cinematographer was in front of him getting a feel for the shot and the gun went off by a malfunction, then he's just negligent.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2021 01:21 PM (KZzsI)

70 > Pope Francis is dying and a conclave is being prepared

I don't wish death on him, I only hope and pray the next Pope is Catholic.

Posted by: bonhomme at December 07, 2021 01:21 PM (sG4Hj)

71 A battery is an unwanted deliberate contact.
Assault is to put another in imminent apprehension of a battery.

Posted by: torabora at December 07, 2021 01:21 PM (U0p6D)

72 The Better Baldwin (Adam) weighed in:

https://tinyurl.com/432a89h9

Posted by: pookysgirl, Firefly and Chuck fan at December 07, 2021 01:21 PM (XKZwp)

73 Saw something from Newsmax that Pope Francis is dying and a conclave is being prepared...?
Posted by: reason

A Papal conclave isn't called until His Holiness is already dead. Having said that though, they might be just stocking up on gabagool, mutzadell, and prezuit.

Posted by: Tonypete at December 07, 2021 01:21 PM (mD/uy)

74 The father of the armorer on the film says he thinks someone tampered with the gun to make his daughter look bad, but didn't intend to have someone killed.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at December 07, 2021 01:21 PM (IIAOb)

75 John Landis was charged with involuntary manslaughter for the death of Vic Morrow. He had a jury trial and found not guilty. Times have changed.

Posted by: Just a side note at December 07, 2021 01:21 PM (woCRW)

76 Hey, what did they charge that Missouri couple with? You know holding a gun that was inoperable and not pointing it at someone or killing anyone.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at December 07, 2021 01:21 PM (G0RGI)

77 If y'all need your Emerald Robinson fix (and you know you do), catch her sub stack. She sent a cryptic Merry Christmas yesterday, which was weird, but makes sense now. Good stuff.

Mornin', ace!
Posted by: Catherine--who generally doesn't curse

Where is Emerald's sub stack ?

Posted by: JT at December 07, 2021 01:21 PM (arJlL)

78 In the end, I don't think he will face criminal charges but will lose in a civil trial perhaps even facing personal liability.
Posted by: whig at December 07, 2021 01:20 PM (9hXN1)

And exhibit 1 in the wrongful death lawsuit will be the tape where he says he does not feel guilty.

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 07, 2021 01:22 PM (oHd/0)

79 58 > well she still had a stupid affected eurotrash type accent going on

Yeah, what was that? It's like she's over-rounding her vowels or something.

As a reminder, here's Hilaria on the Today show "forgetting" the word for cucumber.

https://youtu.be/mu5-OqiNO7k
Posted by: bonhomme at December 07, 2021 01:18 PM (sG4Hj)

give her credit - she almost said "dildo" but caught herself in time.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 07, 2021 01:22 PM (trdmm)

80 That Pope didn't even tap the brakes on the slaughter.

Posted by: torabora at December 07, 2021 01:22 PM (U0p6D)

81 Wouldn't a normal person feel guilt under that circumstance?
Posted by: Jane D'oh

Yes, but, guilt assumes responsibility.
Baldwin is going for the "not my fault/responsibility" defense.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2021 01:22 PM (M4qcY)

82 One of my husbands teen aged nephews jokingly pulled the trigger on a gun that he thought was unloaded. Unfortunately it was aimed at his girlfriends head. He served several years

Posted by: LASue at December 07, 2021 01:22 PM (Ed8Zd)

83 The only exception to this occurs when one has a weapon in his hands and he has personally unloaded it for checking.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2021 01:09 PM (M4qcY)

Nope. It's still loaded, even if you know it isn't.

I can prove it. Unload one of your pistols, put it to your head and pull the trigger. I'll bet you can't!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 07, 2021 01:22 PM (Q9lwr)

84 Saw something from Newsmax that Pope Francis is dying and a conclave is being prepared...?
Posted by: reason at December 07, 2021 01:13 PM (o0WIV)
++++
I doubt it, unless the cardinals are taking the traditional path for dealing with the consequences when they make a catastrophically bad choice for the papacy. The downside to a lifetime appointment is when they decide that you need to go. It wouldn't be unprecedented them to ice a pope and try again.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 07, 2021 01:23 PM (DU+/6)

85 76 Hey, what did they charge that Missouri couple with? You know holding a gun that was inoperable and not pointing it at someone or killing anyone.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at December 07, 2021 01:21 PM (G0RGI)

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Great point.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 07, 2021 01:23 PM (ptqGC)

86 Baldwin gets in mad rages because he's a narcissist. He can't stand even the slightest annoyance without blowing up (as the video guy knows).

Posted by: Dr. Claw at December 07, 2021 01:23 PM (vNbzm)

87 73 Saw something from Newsmax that Pope Francis is dying and a conclave is being prepared...?
Posted by: reason

A Papal conclave isn't called until His Holiness is already dead. Having said that though, they might be just stocking up on gabagool, mutzadell, and prezuit.
Posted by: Tonypete at December 07, 2021 01:21 PM (mD/uy)

but with Covid making travel difficult? They'd need to be getting possible travel plans lined up.

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 07, 2021 01:23 PM (oHd/0)

88 Its only a matter of time before he kills somebody.

He is a rageaholic. Well, I guess he did already didn't he. I mean, somebody else. He is out of control.

Posted by: sad at December 07, 2021 01:24 PM (dYvVO)

89 Again, Baldwin is an asshole, but it needs to be proven that he acted with malice and knowledge that the firearm he was given had a live round in it after being told it was a cold gun.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 07, 2021 01:20 PM (iS1FW)

Well yes but...

That's the point of a negligence charge. You don't need intent or knowledge - stuff that SHOULD have been known or done.

Posted by: blaster at December 07, 2021 01:24 PM (mbFEM)

90 Saw this morning

Posted by: Skip's Phone at December 07, 2021 01:24 PM (SA1aU)

91 74 The father of the armorer on the film says he thinks someone tampered with the gun to make his daughter look bad, but didn't intend to have someone killed.
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at December 07, 2021 01:21 PM (IIAOb)

That's because the Alternate Theory just can't be true.

Alternate Theory: Your daughter is an incompetent idiot.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 07, 2021 01:24 PM (trdmm)

92 I saw The Killers open for Depraved heart at the Knuckleheads Saloon in 2021

Posted by: Lizzy at December 07, 2021 01:24 PM (CZb/v)

93 Innocent til proven guilty, but maybe he did it on purpose with malice aforethought?
It's really a Christie type crime in which the "professional" is "set up" to kill, but in reality set it up to look accidental.
Then he plays ignorant of weapons, safety, and common sense...cries on cue.
I hope the investigators are sifting that relationship, shooter and victim, as thoroughly as they can. Baldwin's been a vicious asshole for years.

Posted by: CN...FJB at December 07, 2021 01:24 PM (ONvIw)

94 Baldwin is finished. He is building a house of lies and it will tumble down and bury his sorry, lying ass.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 07, 2021 01:25 PM (o2MD2)

95 82 One of my husbands teen aged nephews jokingly pulled the trigger on a gun that he thought was unloaded. Unfortunately it was aimed at his girlfriends head. He served several years
Posted by: LASue at December 07, 2021 01:22 PM (Ed8Zd)

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Omg. How awful.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 07, 2021 01:25 PM (ptqGC)

96 But the idea of Alec Baldwin cooling his heels in jail for the rest of his life amuses me sufficiently to spend a few minutes trying to dream up ways in which it could possibly happen.

Meh, if I want to indulge in fantasy pipe dreams, I'll just imagine myself in Last Night in Soho, having a snog session with Petula Clark.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 07, 2021 01:25 PM (2JVJo)

97 Not only will Baldwin escape any major criminal prosecution, but after the $ettlement$ for the civil suits, he will emerge as a prominent voice for strengthening "Gun Safety" laws.

Posted by: Jim at December 07, 2021 01:20 PM (QzJWU)

What a buzzkill!

A fella can dream...

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 07, 2021 01:25 PM (Q9lwr)

98 Nancy Pelosi would make a fine pope. She's been practicing, too.

Posted by: Lumpkin at December 07, 2021 01:25 PM (JPtHE)

99 Alternate Theory: Your daughter is an incompetent idiot.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 07, 2021 01:24 PM (trdmm)
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Which would put this event at the nexus of incompetence and recklessness. Accidents like this require both components.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 07, 2021 01:25 PM (DU+/6)

100 @76

>>Hey, what did they charge that Missouri couple with? You know holding a gun that was inoperable and not pointing it at someone or killing anyone.

In that case you are talking about the corruption of the DA and investigators in the Rust film shoot case, you're talking about something that commonly happens on film sets where firearms are prominent in the story line.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 07, 2021 01:25 PM (iS1FW)

101 Nope. It's still loaded, even if you know it isn't.

I can prove it. Unload one of your pistols, put it to your head and pull the trigger. I'll bet you can't!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 07, 2021 01:22 PM (Q9lwr)

Excellent point.

Posted by: Miss Issippi at December 07, 2021 01:25 PM (sI15f)

102 Generally, a 1st degree murder charge requires proof of "malice aforethought", which is hard to prove. Meaning the DA has to prove he got up that morning with a plan to kill her.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2021 01:25 PM (M4qcY)

103 I predict a 'transition" in Alec's future, ala Bruce whose last name shall not be mentioned) who magically escaped prosecution for vehicular homicide using that gambit.

Posted by: Joe Mama at December 07, 2021 01:25 PM (WmGrA)

104 What happened to Hilaria's accent?

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at December 07, 2021 01:25 PM (wAnMi)

105 The father of the armorer on the film says he thinks someone tampered with the gun to make his daughter look bad

Well I mean what else is daddy going to say? Most logical and likely explanation: they were sloppy and possibly intoxicated and this time it bit them.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2021 01:26 PM (KZzsI)

106 What happened to Hilaria's accent?
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at December 07, 2021 01:25 PM (wAnMi)
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It comes and goes like a hurried lover.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 07, 2021 01:26 PM (DU+/6)

107 Another party in this mess put her excuse out this morning, thru her father. Also on the Stephanopoulos Network:

Hannah Gutierrez Reed's father, Thell Reed, appeared on GMA on Tuesday. He is a veteran armorer who has worked on films including 3:10 to Yuma. He maintains his daughter did everything right, and checked Baldwin's gun before handing to Dave Halls, the Assistant Director. Both he and Hannah's attorney say the set was most likely sabotaged by a disgruntled crew member. In the days before the accident, several crew members quit in a protest over conditions. Reed's father says he 'didn't like' that she had to supervise both guns and props.

Posted by: Gref at December 07, 2021 01:26 PM (AMIL/)

108

He's used plenty of weapons in movies before, so he can't claim he didn't know what was going on. That Miami Blues movie, he was waving a gun around and all that. I remember when that came out, he gave a performance that was so psychotic that he had to be a psycho in real life.

And that's exactly what he is.

Who the fuck would go on TV in a long ass interview, even with a bent-ove Steffy, and talk. That's psychotic behavior.

Posted by: Dr.Rev. Senator Your Highness E Buzz Miller, Esq PhD MA MS at December 07, 2021 01:26 PM (XnbJC)

109 > Basically you need backwards to figure out how and why a live round came to be in that firearm.

I remember reading that members of the production were using the guns for plinking fairly regularly. My guess is someone took some live rounds out of the gun after a plinking session and they got mixed in with the blanks.

Posted by: bonhomme at December 07, 2021 01:26 PM (sG4Hj)

110 >>>This is a man full of range and impulse.

ISWYDT. Short range.

Posted by: flounder at December 07, 2021 01:26 PM (SH2Zi)

111 #65
He acted with wanton disregard for the safety of others.
He should be charged with manslaughter....same as a drunk driver.

Posted by: torabora at December 07, 2021 01:26 PM (U0p6D)

112 The left now trying to convince people that Biden gets worse press coverage....than Trump

Posted by: steevy at December 07, 2021 01:26 PM (CYnTg)

113 Does anyone have the link to the FDA bureaucrat that said the only way we'll find out what the covid shot does to kids is to give it to them?

Posted by: 18-1 at December 07, 2021 01:26 PM (ESjRY)

114 Where is Emerald's sub stack ?
Posted by: JT at December 07, 2021 01:21 PM (arJlL)

I'm ignorant...what is a "sub stack".

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at December 07, 2021 01:26 PM (BgMrQ)

115 The lefts faith is in Tinkerbell Economics; if only they BELIEVE hard enough, Socialism will be alright.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at December 07, 2021 01:26 PM (ctFUD)

116 In the Jon Levine Twatter video, who is the woman who keeps babbling, "I asked you to go away"?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at December 07, 2021 01:27 PM (txdEq)

117 This entire tragedy, in three acts:

I: Guns are icky death-machines that I don't want anything to do with in real life; movie props are basically toys, though

II: Conservatives are dumb and should never be listened to; people who makes rules about how to handle firearms (like rule-one-it's-always-loaded) are all gun-loving conservative troglodytes

III: BLAM!

Posted by: reason at December 07, 2021 01:27 PM (o0WIV)

118

Alec Baldwin should have the entirety of Jesse Smollett shoved up his ass.

Feet first.

Posted by: Dick Hitzwater at December 07, 2021 01:27 PM (qEGrB)

119 And exhibit 1 in the wrongful death lawsuit will be the tape where he says he does not feel guilty.

Posted by: Romeo13

Yes, that is definitely harmful in a civil suit. What might happen though is that Baldwin's act may not be covered by insurance as a volitional bad act, not negligence. A lot depends on the actual facts of what was taking place at the time of the shooting, the alteration/damage of the firearm if any, if any video evidence exists, and so on.

Posted by: whig at December 07, 2021 01:27 PM (9hXN1)

120 Saw something from Newsmax that Pope Francis is dying and a conclave is being prepared...?
Posted by: reason at December 07, 2021 01:13 PM (o0WIV)

We'll have to wait until an NYC barber weighs in for confirmation.

Posted by: spindrift at December 07, 2021 01:27 PM (h5TKJ)

121 >>What happened to Hilaria's accent?

I got better!

Posted by: Lizzy at December 07, 2021 01:27 PM (CZb/v)

122 Live rounds and blanks look nothing alike

Posted by: steevy at December 07, 2021 01:27 PM (CYnTg)

123 JT:

https://emeralddb3.substack.com/

And DaveinFL, they were charged with brandishing, among other idiotic things. Thank God I have managed to avoid extended time in StL.

Posted by: Catherine--who generally doesn't curse. at December 07, 2021 01:27 PM (YMrAv)

124 Alec is still really pissed about his piece-of-shit movie The Shadow. That should be enough to show depraved indifference. Lock. Him. Up.

Posted by: Elric Blade at December 07, 2021 01:27 PM (iFTx/)

125 I heard the dead woman was carrying his illegitimate child. If you heard the same tell three other people.

Posted by: Capital Eff at December 07, 2021 01:27 PM (GYllL)

126 I think he did do the shooting on purpose but thought it was a blank cartridge

Posted by: Skip's Phone at December 07, 2021 01:27 PM (SA1aU)

127 He should have stuck with making pianos and dropping them on people from 4th story windows posing as a piano mover.

By accident, of course.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at December 07, 2021 01:28 PM (wAnMi)

128 I'm ignorant...what is a "sub stack".

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at December 07, 2021 01:26 PM (BgMrQ)

It's a party pack of sandwiches. Emerald Robinson owns a very well regarded sandwich shop in Southie.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 07, 2021 01:28 PM (Q9lwr)

129 It's really a Christie type crime in which the "professional" is "set up" to kill, but in reality set it up to look accidental.
Then he plays ignorant of weapons, safety, and common sense...cries on cue.
I hope the investigators are sifting that relationship, shooter and victim, as thoroughly as they can. Baldwin's been a vicious asshole for years.
Posted by: CN.

Considering he's used guns in at least a dozen other films, hard to claim ignorant. He's been briefed at least a dozen times.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2021 01:28 PM (M4qcY)

130 Baldwin will be hosting the Robert F. Kennedy Ripple of Hope Award Gala

A ripple of hope was probably Mary Jo's last gasp effort thanks to Kennedy's brother.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 07, 2021 01:28 PM (axyOa)

131 If Frankie dies, doesn't the old pope become pope again?
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy

The first guy that shows up wearing a red hat becomes the new pope.

Posted by: JT at December 07, 2021 01:29 PM (arJlL)

132 The prop master, the armorer, and the assistant director will share billing with Baldwin in this production.

Posted by: Braenyard at December 07, 2021 01:29 PM (bW5jA)

133 Hilarious and Alec seem to be a match made in

well, somewhere

Posted by: REDACTED at December 07, 2021 01:29 PM (us2H3)

134 Baldwin will be hosting the Robert F. Kennedy Ripple of Hope Award Gala ...
Posted by: Diogenes at December 07, 2021 01:28 PM (axyOa)
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Let me tell you, son, that if you're drinking Ripple then you've got no hope!

Posted by: Switchyard Hobo at December 07, 2021 01:29 PM (DU+/6)

135 Live rounds and blanks look nothing alike
Posted by: steevy at December 07, 2021 01:27 PM (CYnTg)

The "story" is they were supposed to be dummy, not blank rounds. Even then, there was no reason for the gun to have dummy rounds if this was just to check camera location/angle.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at December 07, 2021 01:29 PM (wAnMi)

136 It wouldn't be unprecedented them to ice a pope and try again.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 07, 2021 01:23 PM (DU+/6)

I do wonder if this was part of the reason for Godfather III's intensely negative reception. People just could not believe that happened.

Posted by: trev006 at December 07, 2021 01:29 PM (Qfw+8)

137 >>I honestly don't understand how he has not been charged with a crime yet. He pointed a loaded gun at someone and pulled the trigger.

Because it's a film set of a western, and people point firearms at people on the sets of westerns and pull the trigger.

Again, Baldwin is an asshole, but it needs to be proven that he acted with malice and knowledge that the firearm he was given had a live round in it after being told it was a cold gun.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 07, 2021 01:20 PM (iS1FW)

Good points - Branca had a post up a few days ago where he talked about the legal differences between a pure accident with no liability, a negligent accident where civil liability will apply, and a criminally negligent accident where criminal charges may apply. It was long and I can't repeat all that, but a key factor is that to reach the level of criminal negligence, the defendant must have done something that *any* reasonable person would have known was wrong and dangerous to do in those circumstances. (Driving drunk is the most obvious example)

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 07, 2021 01:29 PM (trdmm)

138 bitch set me up

Posted by: Alec Baldwin at December 07, 2021 01:30 PM (FZYNt)

139 The Better Baldwin (Adam) weighed in:

https://tinyurl.com/432a89h9
Posted by: pookysgirl, Firefly and Chuck fan at December 07, 2021 01:21 PM (XKZwp)

He's very good looking. I always thought Adam was the religious Baldwin brother.

Posted by: LASue at December 07, 2021 01:30 PM (Ed8Zd)

140 If Frankie dies, doesn't the old pope become pope again?
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 07, 2021 01:14 PM (I13C0)

Benedict is still the pope. His resignation was invalid under canon law. Frankie Fabulous is an antipope.

Having said that, the College of Cardinals is going to do their damndest (ha) to find another NWO stooge to desecrate the Throne of Peter.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 07, 2021 01:30 PM (2JVJo)

141 Good thing for the set crew is that the idiot didn't have a machine pistol with a full magazine. He might have sprayed down the whole crew "accidently".

Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 07, 2021 01:30 PM (o2MD2)

142 120 Saw something from Newsmax that Pope Francis is dying and a conclave is being prepared...?
Posted by: reason at December 07, 2021 01:13 PM (o0WIV)

We'll have to wait until an NYC barber weighs in for confirmation.
Posted by: spindrift at December 07, 2021 01:27 PM (h5TKJ)

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Yeesh. Please don't summon curious/cat pee.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 07, 2021 01:30 PM (ptqGC)

143 Alec is probs used to shooting blanks

Posted by: REDACTED at December 07, 2021 01:30 PM (us2H3)

144 the pope is mort?

Posted by: Rick in SK at December 07, 2021 01:30 PM (FZYNt)

145

A substack is a Sleestak gangbang...

Posted by: Dick Hitzwater at December 07, 2021 01:31 PM (qEGrB)

146 It's a party pack of sandwiches. Emerald Robinson owns a very well regarded sandwich shop in Southie.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 07, 2021 01:28 PM (Q9lwr)

Yup

Walked right into that I did...

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at December 07, 2021 01:31 PM (BgMrQ)

147 Shadow was pretty disappointing but I thought Baldwin did a good job in it. He's a solid, entertaining actor who has a gift for comedy, but clearly is an ass and is trying to get away with killing someone.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2021 01:31 PM (KZzsI)

148 Faster Please (tm )

@disclosetv 49m

JUST IN - US federal judge sides with Attorney General Wilson and blocks Biden's vaccine requirement for federal contractors.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 07, 2021 01:31 PM (1t5dY)

149 the pope is mort?
==
Oh calm down.

Posted by: its like the telephone game at December 07, 2021 01:31 PM (r/ERg)

150 Having said that, the College of Cardinals is going to do their damndest (ha) to find another NWO stooge to desecrate the Throne of Peter.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 07, 2021 01:30 PM (2JVJo)
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Unless - and I have no idea what the Cardinals' motivations and opinions are - they realize they've made a tragic, generational mistake with Francis and they're taking him out to try again with someone a lot better for the job.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 07, 2021 01:31 PM (DU+/6)

151 the pope is mort?
Posted by: Rick in SK

No. His Holiness Benedict is still with us.

Posted by: Tonypete at December 07, 2021 01:31 PM (mD/uy)

152 Highlights: Herzog sincerely threatened Kinski with a murder/suicide using a rifle if Kinski proceeded with walking off the production. On the set of Fitzcarraldo, the chief of a native Amazonian tribe offered to Herzog to murder Kinski on the set because of Kinski's behavior. On the set of Aguirre, while an extra was sleeping, Kinski used a .45 pistol to shoot off his fingertip.
Posted by: Brisco County Sr at December 07, 2021 01:15 PM (5Rikf)

Klaus Kinski was a Piece. Of. Work.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at December 07, 2021 01:31 PM (De/Wj)

153 The first thing I remember Adam Baldwin in was the movie My Bodyguard. Who remembers that movie?

Posted by: steevy at December 07, 2021 01:31 PM (CYnTg)

154 Yeah. White guy who acts in all sorts of films as a tough guy. Who has a hair trigger response to anyone that he thinks is disrespecting him or his "space".

Yeah. He'll do well in prison.

Altho unless he loses all his money he could be okay. Money buys a lot of respect no matter where you are.

Posted by: jakee308 at December 07, 2021 01:32 PM (1hoTV)

155 Saw something from Newsmax that Pope Francis is dying and a conclave is being prepared...?

I'll wait until a more reputable news source has info. Newsmax is about as trustworthy as CNN.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2021 01:32 PM (KZzsI)

156 The first guy that shows up wearing a red hat becomes the new pope.

Posted by: JT

Does Trump know about this?

Posted by: pep at December 07, 2021 01:32 PM (ZsR3z)

157 >>What happened to Hilaria's accent?

She had to stop practicing that one to spend time working on a new one. Next week she's going to tell Stephanopoulos she was born a poor black child in Mississippi.

Posted by: Gref at December 07, 2021 01:32 PM (AMIL/)

158 The father of the armorer on the film says he thinks someone tampered with the gun to make his daughter look bad, but didn't intend to have someone killed.
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby

That's because the Alternate Theory just can't be true.
Alternate Theory: Your daughter is an incompetent idiot.
Posted by: Tom Servo

Being a Hollywood Movie Set Armorer shouldn't be a planned fallback career when purple haired performance art fails.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2021 01:32 PM (M4qcY)

159 We need a polish pope.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 07, 2021 01:32 PM (I13C0)

160 From what I understand all the Cardinals need is solid pitching to win the divison

Posted by: Rick in SK at December 07, 2021 01:32 PM (FZYNt)

161 I hope the investigators are sifting that relationship, shooter and victim, as thoroughly as they can. Baldwin's been a vicious asshole for years.
Posted by: CN.
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I think he and the cinematographer were friends. When the crew walked off the set she did not.

Posted by: Braenyard at December 07, 2021 01:32 PM (bW5jA)

162 It wouldn't be unprecedented them to ice a pope and try again.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 07, 2021 01:23 PM (DU+/6)

Is his tongue turning black?

Posted by: Diogenes at December 07, 2021 01:32 PM (axyOa)

163 If Frankie dies, doesn't the old pope become pope again?
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 07, 2021 01:14 PM (I13C0)

Benedict is still the pope. His resignation was invalid under canon law. Frankie Fabulous is an antipope.

Having said that, the College of Cardinals is going to do their damndest (ha) to find another NWO stooge to desecrate the Throne of Peter.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 0

Im just starting "Intro to Christianity" by Ratzinger (written in his pre-Pope days). He's obviously brilliant. I can only digest about 10 pages at a time - he's much too deep for casual reading. Having him back in his official role would be amazing.

Posted by: LASue at December 07, 2021 01:32 PM (Ed8Zd)

164 t wouldn't be unprecedented them to ice a pope and try again.
Posted by: Joe Mannix

A dash of polonium-210 in the sacramental wine?

Posted by: Capital Eff at December 07, 2021 01:32 PM (GYllL)

165 How many TV and movie mysteries use the "real weapon was substituted for a fake one" plot? I suspect Baldwin's seen plenty of these.

Posted by: CN...FJB at December 07, 2021 01:33 PM (ONvIw)

166 If Landis can be charged with manslaughter, Baldwin certainly can be.

Posted by: Just a side note at December 07, 2021 01:33 PM (woCRW)

167 Yeah. White guy who acts in all sorts of films as a tough guy. Who has a hair trigger response to anyone that he thinks is disrespecting him or his "space".

Yeah. He'll do well in prison.

Altho unless he loses all his money he could be okay. Money buys a lot of respect no matter where you are.
Posted by: jakee308

Money doesn't sway a stiff Mandingo dick.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2021 01:33 PM (M4qcY)

168 Baldwin should just do a Kevin Spacey and declare that, henceforth, he will live his life as a gay man. I think legally that makes him forgiven for any bad act.

Posted by: Cthillary, dead but dreaming at December 07, 2021 01:33 PM (zSyrn)

169 The College of Cardinals should find one of us Protestants to be Pope - We'll bring you Catholics back into the light with the power of our Jello molds and three-bean salads!

Posted by: Archer at December 07, 2021 01:33 PM (gmo/4)

170 Always Be Cocking

Posted by: Blake at December 07, 2021 01:33 PM (ufFY8)

171 I thought Baldwin was being a huge jerk to his daughter but I think maybe being around him much or having to live with that kind of daddy might make you pretty rebellious and want out as well.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2021 01:33 PM (KZzsI)

172 And, under the rules of Tinkerbell Economics, when Socialism fails, again, it will be our fault, because we didn't BELIEVE hard enough.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at December 07, 2021 01:33 PM (ctFUD)

173 122 Live rounds and blanks look nothing alike

Posted by: steevy

They can. Apparently, at least some blanks are handloaded in the movie industry so that the signature of the discharge fits with what the cinematographer wants. A wadcutter can resemble a std. revolver blank except replacing a wad over the charge with a lead bullet. Semi or rifle blanks are usually pretty obvious with a crimp which is designed to feed better than revolver blank types. A firearm that is semi or full auto often has to be altered so that the blank pressure will operate the mechanism.

Posted by: whig at December 07, 2021 01:34 PM (9hXN1)

174 153 The first thing I remember Adam Baldwin in was the movie My Bodyguard. Who remembers that movie?
Posted by: steevy at December 07, 2021 01:31 PM (CYnTg)

***raises hand***

With Chris Makepeace (wudy the wabbit)

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at December 07, 2021 01:34 PM (BgMrQ)

175 A dash of polonium-210 in the sacramental wine?
Posted by: Capital Eff

Polonium swizzle stick.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2021 01:34 PM (M4qcY)

176 The first thing I remember Adam Baldwin in was the movie My Bodyguard. Who remembers that movie?
Posted by: steevy at December 07, 2021 01:31 PM (CYnTg)

Oh yes! He wasn't so great looking then.

Posted by: LASue at December 07, 2021 01:34 PM (Ed8Zd)

177 The first guy that shows up wearing a red hat becomes the new pope.

Posted by: JT

So imagine a red galero with MAGA on it!
Those crazy fun-loving cardinals!!!

Posted by: Diogenes at December 07, 2021 01:34 PM (axyOa)

178 67 Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 07, 2021 01:20 PM (iS1FW)

"Honest injun Officer Fife I was on a movie set...."

//Derp

Hollywood does not aim at each other anymore in part because of the Crow, this man took the time to point a weapon at another human being that was not part of any shooting of film for product.

He deserves a time out.

Posted by: sven at December 07, 2021 01:34 PM (Lzpvj)

179 Thanks no - cuss Catherine !

Posted by: JT at December 07, 2021 01:34 PM (arJlL)

180 Cardinal Robert Sarah is from Africa and is black. Not making him Pope would be racist amiright?

Posted by: Capital Eff at December 07, 2021 01:35 PM (GYllL)

181 The first thing I remember Adam Baldwin in was the movie My Bodyguard. Who remembers that movie?

I have it on blu-ray. It was a childhood favorite of mine.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at December 07, 2021 01:35 PM (QU5/8)

182 my ex was a makeup super for the movies

I would sometimes go the set for a visit

40 years ago, those people were fucked up

purty shore they have not improved

Posted by: REDACTED at December 07, 2021 01:35 PM (us2H3)

183 This braided blonde in a tank top hopes she never shares a movie set with Alec Baldwin:
https://is.gd/aOonIG

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 07, 2021 01:35 PM (DU+/6)

184 Gerbilopoulous only does softball interviews of shitheads who are guilty as fuck.

Posted by: Captain Hate won't forget Michael Byrd Murdered Ashli Babbitt at December 07, 2021 01:35 PM (y7DUB)

185 Benedict is still the pope. His resignation was invalid under canon law.

Its like a pastor who claims they were called by God to be a minister of the gospel, then suddenly decides they need to do something else. Where did that "calling" go then, eh?

I am hardly an expert on the subject, but I understood Poping as a life time gig, you can't just quit.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2021 01:35 PM (KZzsI)

186 159 We need a polish pope.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 07, 2021 01:32 PM (I13C0)
---------------

A Catholic as pope.
That would be a change.

Posted by: Braenyard at December 07, 2021 01:35 PM (bW5jA)

187 I can prove it. Unload one of your pistols, put it to your head and pull the trigger. I'll bet you can't!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 07, 2021 01:22 PM (Q9lwr)

Can't we have kurt try it? I like rickb223.

Posted by: WeBoned! at December 07, 2021 01:36 PM (8k7U7)

188 We need a polish pope.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy

Most importantly, you need a Catholic pope.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2021 01:36 PM (M4qcY)

189 In that movie the reason he was always so quiet and taciturn ( and everyone thought he was a psycho)was that he killed his little brother with their dads gun.

Posted by: steevy at December 07, 2021 01:36 PM (CYnTg)

190 Pope should wear green

porta-Pope

Posted by: REDACTED at December 07, 2021 01:36 PM (us2H3)

191 153 The first thing I remember Adam Baldwin in was the movie My Bodyguard. Who remembers that movie?

Posted by: steevy at December 07, 2021 01:31 PM (CYnTg)

- raises hand -

Posted by: Gref at December 07, 2021 01:36 PM (AMIL/)

192 "Sentenced to two weeks of anger management training for murder. Next!"

Posted by: ShainS -- Let's Poop Brandon! (Non Compos Anus) at December 07, 2021 01:36 PM (qFRAe)

193 Its like a pastor who claims they were called by God to be a minister of the gospel, then suddenly decides they need to do something else.

Where did that "calling" go then, eh?

Wrong number.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2021 01:37 PM (M4qcY)

194 I'm ignorant...what is a "sub stack".
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at December 07, 2021 01:26 PM (BgMrQ)

Twenty bucks.

Same as in town.

Posted by: blaster at December 07, 2021 01:37 PM (mbFEM)

195 TheSun: CHINA has been secretly developing Trojan Horse-style missiles hidden in shipping containers that can be unleashed on enemy ports, experts warn.

Military analysts believe the country's huge fleet of freighters and fishing vessels could be turned into warships with the use of the secretive container missiles.

Disguised as a regular shipping containers, they can be sneaked on board a vessel to blend in seamlessly with the hundreds of others on board.

Posted by: SMOD at December 07, 2021 01:37 PM (RHGPo)

196 I looked up Klaus Kinski to see when he died (1991, forgot it was so long ago!) and found this quote: Herzog described him as "one of the greatest actors of the century, but also a monster and a great pestilence."

I thought ok, now tell us how you really feel about him.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 07, 2021 01:37 PM (trdmm)

197 The College of Cardinals should find one of us Protestants to be Pope - We'll bring you Catholics back into the light with the power of our Jello molds and three-bean salads!
Posted by: Archer at December 07, 2021 01:33 PM (gmo/4)

EVERYBODY SAY HALLELUJAH!!!

Posted by: Diogenes at December 07, 2021 01:37 PM (axyOa)

198 192 Posted by: ShainS -- Let's Poop Brandon! (Non Compos Anus) at December 07, 2021 01:36 PM (qFRAe)

Juicy will pay a fine and have 6 months probation for his felony, and Arik if charged will be sentenced to try to take away my guns.

//Moonbat Justice

Posted by: sven at December 07, 2021 01:37 PM (Lzpvj)

199 The misogyny angle is perfect. The men on the jury will convict just to get jury deliberations over with, otherwise they'll never hear the end of it. Women scorned, you know.

Posted by: SFGoth at December 07, 2021 01:38 PM (KAi1n)

200 Kumlala Harris staffers should be nervous as hell watching Harris have dinner with Baldwin in NYC. What if she learns how to take her bullying to his level, and starts playing with loaded guns in her office?

Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 07, 2021 01:38 PM (raQcc)

201 I'm ignorant...what is a "sub stack".

.. it's half a pancake

Posted by: SMOD at December 07, 2021 01:38 PM (RHGPo)

202 194 I'm ignorant...what is a "sub stack".
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at December 07, 2021 01:26 PM (BgMrQ)

bend down and I'll tell you

Posted by: Bottom at December 07, 2021 01:38 PM (us2H3)

203 Just the latest twist on Q ships.

Posted by: whig at December 07, 2021 01:39 PM (9hXN1)

204 The first thing I remember Adam Baldwin in was the movie My Bodyguard. Who remembers that movie?
Posted by: steevy at December 07, 2021 01:31 PM (CYnTg)

Beetlejuice is the first thing I remember him in - thought he was a nobody back then. He sure went downhill fast.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at December 07, 2021 01:39 PM (wAnMi)

205 >>The first thing I remember Adam Baldwin in was the movie My Bodyguard. Who remembers that movie?

Me.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2021 01:39 PM (ZLI7S)

206 I'm ignorant...what is a "sub stack".

Juicy as a sailor on a boomer.

Posted by: Archer at December 07, 2021 01:39 PM (gmo/4)

207
"I don't buy any of that because, if Hutchins' assumption was that the gun was unloaded, she could not fear an imminent unlawful application of force."

It depends on the state's aggravated assault statute. In many jurisdictions, brandishing the gun alone would be aggravated assault. The strict application would not depend on the victim's fear, reasonable or otherwise.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 07, 2021 01:39 PM (nMx88)

208 We need a polish pope.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 07, 2021 01:32 PM (I13C0)

We need an American Pope.

IIRC there's never been one. Not even close.

In fact its mostly been Europeans. There's an even stronger case for an African Pope. And some grumbling from there about a few who were deserved to be.

Posted by: jakee308 at December 07, 2021 01:39 PM (1hoTV)

209 195 Posted by: SMOD at December 07, 2021 01:37 PM (RHGPo)

This has been a known threat since the late 90s.

"One Second After" has an EMP apocalypse triggered by multiple sub orbital EMP blasts launched from conex pads....

I would not worry so much but our leadership class is a lot more worried about Tranny bathroom joy than the middle kingdon...probably comes from being on their payroll.

Posted by: sven at December 07, 2021 01:39 PM (Lzpvj)

210 We'll bring you Catholics back into the light with the power of our Jello molds and three-bean salads!

You'll be singing "Shine Jesus Shine" and drinking grape juice in mass in no time!

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2021 01:39 PM (KZzsI)

211 I looked up Klaus Kinski to see when he died (1991, forgot it was so long ago!) and found this quote: Herzog described him as "one of the greatest actors of the century, but also a monster and a great pestilence."

Whitey Herzog ?

The Royals manager ?

Posted by: JT at December 07, 2021 01:39 PM (arJlL)

212 Omicron variant "almost certainly" less severe than Delta: Fauci

.. "HE" has spoken

Posted by: SMOD at December 07, 2021 01:39 PM (RHGPo)

213 94 I'm ignorant...what is a "sub stack".

Exhaust pipe for those coal fired submarines.

Posted by: Capital Eff at December 07, 2021 01:40 PM (GYllL)

214 Well the South American Pope is not working out too well...

Posted by: steevy at December 07, 2021 01:40 PM (CYnTg)

215 I still am thinking that he gets charged with something s he is a producer on the set and was the one that pulled the trigger. But that the armorer or whoever gave him the gun is the one that will wind up with the most serious charges filed against them.

Posted by: Buzzion at December 07, 2021 01:40 PM (G2zl5)

216 194 I'm ignorant...what is a "sub stack".
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard
------------

It's below the short stack.
But not as tasty.

Posted by: Braenyard at December 07, 2021 01:40 PM (bW5jA)

217 Omicron variant "almost certainly" less severe than Delta: Fauci

.. "HE" has spoken
Posted by: SMOD at December 07, 2021 01:39 PM (RHGPo)

South Africa let the cat out of the bag.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 07, 2021 01:40 PM (Z5y5O)

218 Disguised as a regular shipping containers, they can be sneaked on board a vessel to blend in seamlessly with the hundreds of others on board.
Posted by: SMOD at December 07, 2021 01:37 PM (RHGPo)

they just thought about this? We were talking here about the Norks doing this back when Obama was still in office.

Bad News: It's easy to do, and we have no defense against it.

Good News: It's mainly Seattle, Portland, San Fran, and LA that need to worry about it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 07, 2021 01:40 PM (trdmm)

219 I looked up Klaus Kinski to see when he died (1991, forgot it was so long ago!) and found this quote: Herzog described him as "one of the greatest actors of the century, but also a monster and a great pestilence."

I thought ok, now tell us how you really feel about him.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 07, 2021

***
That was Nastassia Kinski's father, right? If he was a monster and a pestilence, imagine what her life was like growing up.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at December 07, 2021 01:40 PM (txdEq)

220 As long as the commie cabal is picking the next one will be the same

Posted by: steevy at December 07, 2021 01:40 PM (CYnTg)

221 The first thing I remember Adam Baldwin in was the movie My Bodyguard. Who remembers that movie?

Me.
Posted by: JackStraw

Him

Posted by: JT at December 07, 2021 01:40 PM (arJlL)

222 219 Didn't she start getting naked in movies by like 16?

Posted by: steevy at December 07, 2021 01:41 PM (CYnTg)

223 I'm ignorant...what is a "sub stack".
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at December 07, 2021 01:26 PM (BgMrQ)

-----
Do not look it up in the Urban Dictionary at work. But you knew that anyway.

Posted by: 496 at December 07, 2021 01:41 PM (VJsqe)

224 I'll allow myself to dream for a bit:

Cinematographers family/spouse wins a huge settlement which bankrupts angry Alec and sends him into such a tailspin even HW refuses to have anything to do with him.

He is charged with involuntary manslaughter and given a sentence that includes a few months in a state prison, and his rage and ego prevents him from just paying for protection as a normal rich dude would do and he gets a beating or three.

Posted by: PaleRider at December 07, 2021 01:41 PM (3cGpq)

225 204 The first thing I remember Adam Baldwin in was the movie My Bodyguard. Who remembers that movie?
Posted by: steevy at December 07, 2021 01:31 PM (CYnTg)

give a sec, I'm mulling it over

Posted by: Bottom at December 07, 2021 01:41 PM (us2H3)

226 215 Posted by: Buzzion at December 07, 2021 01:40 PM (G2zl5)

The law on this matter has Arik Borwin the actor decrying the set safety that Arik Borwin the producer was legally responsible for.

Neat trick, try it when you are being interrogated.

Posted by: sven at December 07, 2021 01:41 PM (Lzpvj)

227 Re Adam Baldwin: Always liked that guy if only because of his character John Casey on the TV series "Chuck."

Posted by: FriscoYoda at December 07, 2021 01:42 PM (+56GQ)

228 First time I remember seeing Baldwin was in Beetlejuice. It was pretty early in his career too.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2021 01:42 PM (KZzsI)

229 >>>The College of Cardinals should find one of us Protestants to be Pope - We'll bring you Catholics back into the light with the power of our Jello molds and three-bean salads!
Posted by: Archer at December 07, 2021 01:33 PM (gmo/4)

=====

Okay, because it can't be worse. But if you put shredded carrots in the jello, I'm out.

Posted by: Turn Two at December 07, 2021 01:42 PM (mO6nR)

230 > A firearm that is semi or full auto often has to be altered so that the blank pressure will operate the mechanism.

In Saving Private Ryan, if you look carefully at the scene where Tom Hanks is popping rounds at the tank with his .45, you can see that his weapon is having feed issues. It jams multiple times. I believe this was caused by underpowered blanks.

Posted by: bonhomme at December 07, 2021 01:43 PM (sG4Hj)

231 Okay, because it can't be worse. But if you put shredded carrots in the jello, I'm out.
Posted by: Turn Two at December 07, 2021 01:42 PM (mO6nR)
++++
Even if the carrots are cooked first?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 07, 2021 01:43 PM (DU+/6)

232 May have been mentioned but it looks like there's some cyberattacking goin' on today. Amazon Web Services and a bunch of others. Sort of looks like DOS.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at December 07, 2021 01:43 PM (Xrfse)

233 For once they have Katherine Kelly Lang wearing clothes that show off her rocking bod a little more.

Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at December 07, 2021 01:43 PM (ufFY8)

234 A thing I had a hard time in 1st year law school was trespassing. If one mistook where the property line was and walked over onto your neighbor's property, it was an intentional tort. The intentional act was placing your foot where you intended to put it. A mistake in the location of the property line was irrelevant.

I don't know how much this applies to a criminal case. Baldwin intended to pull the trigger. He mistakenly thought the gun was not loaded.

Posted by: biggierat at December 07, 2021 01:43 PM (K4VFT)

235 I saw "My Bodyguard" on/for my birthday. Really enjoyed it.

Posted by: SFGoth at December 07, 2021 01:44 PM (KAi1n)

236 Her substack looks to be in fine working order.

Posted by: ... at December 07, 2021 01:44 PM (CJznt)

237 232 Posted by: Notorious BFD at December 07, 2021 01:43 PM (Xrfse)

GAF meter is pegged to zero....

screw Bezos.

Posted by: sven at December 07, 2021 01:44 PM (Lzpvj)

238 Headline over at PJ Media: "Get Excited! Study Points to Possible Treatment for Alzheimer's Disease: Viagra"

If they can add it to ice cream, I won't have to give Jill soft serve anymore when we play doctor!

Posted by: Joe Biden at December 07, 2021 01:44 PM (EoZOL)

239 Nope. It's still loaded, even if you know it isn't.

I can prove it. Unload one of your pistols, put it to your head and pull the trigger. I'll bet you can't!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

Bet you I can. Because when I clear a gun, it's clear. But the second that gun is out of my hand, it gets checked again. Guns are tools. They aren't magic.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2021 01:44 PM (M4qcY)

240 All the Cardinals were called together by the Pope for an emergency meeting. The Pople didn't wast any time as he stood up and declared that "Jesus has returned!"
Bells rang...trumpets sounded and there were tears of joy by the people in attendance.
Pope holds up his hands and calls for quiet. "Thats the good news. The bad news is He is in Salt Lake."

Posted by: Diogenes at December 07, 2021 01:44 PM (axyOa)

241 The College of Cardinals should find one of us Protestants to be Pope - We'll bring you Catholics back into the light with the power of our Jello molds and three-bean salads!
Posted by: Archer

Okay, because it can't be worse. But if you put shredded carrots in the jello, I'm out.
Posted by: Turn Two

Purgatory will need to be written out of the script.

Posted by: Tonypete at December 07, 2021 01:44 PM (mD/uy)

242 Good News: It's mainly Seattle, Portland, San Fran, and LA that need to worry about it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 07, 2021 01:40 PM (trdmm)

Back when I worked in Boston we used to be able to see from the office windows the LNG ships arriving. The vast majority of the people in the city were blissfully unaware, but being an office of engineers we knew full well what would happen if one of those let off.

Posted by: moon_over_vermont at December 07, 2021 01:44 PM (yK6pq)

243 Developing: a federal court has ENJOINED the Biden Administration from enforcing its federal contractor vaccine mandate.

The injunction is nationwide.

This is the latest defeat for Biden's unlawful mandates (the OSHA and CMS Mandates already receiving nationwide stays).

Posted by: SMOD at December 07, 2021 01:44 PM (RHGPo)

244 Tapper is horrified that anyone would suggest this was homicide.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at December 07, 2021 01:45 PM (/TTi/)

245

Sort of looks like DOS.

6.22?

Posted by: Dr.Rev. Senator Your Highness E Buzz Miller, Esq PhD MA MS at December 07, 2021 01:45 PM (XnbJC)

246 Alec probably needs to be in therapy with someone who calls him to accountability and doesn't let him yammer on endlessly about his feelings. He also needs some good spiritual direction. I think Alec is a tall guy, but I know an Orthodox priest who's probably taller than he is and since he was a military chaplain he doesn't stand for nonsense. I expect, though, that Alec either talks about the "big daddy in the sky" or has a particular dislike for the more conservative branches of Christianity so he wouldn't see an Orthodox priest.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 07, 2021 01:45 PM (poMoX)

247 JUST IN - US federal judge sides with Attorney General Wilson and blocks Biden's vaccine requirement for federal contractors.

BOOM

I've been waiting for this one. This filing in Georgia was by most of the states and the best argued case in the system.

That is it folks, the mandates are now dead.

OSHA - nationwide injunction
CMS healthcare workers - nationwide injunction
Federal Contractor EO - nationwide injunction

It's all over until the Supreme Court weighs in.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at December 07, 2021 01:45 PM (G0RGI)

248 Good News: It's mainly Seattle, Portland, San Fran, and LA that need to worry about it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 07, 2021 01:40 PM (trdmm)
-------------

The article refers to the disguised containers being delivered to various destinations all over the country.

Not mohammeds sleeper cells but Xi's sleeper cruise missiles.

Posted by: Braenyard at December 07, 2021 01:46 PM (bW5jA)

249 The courts have anything to say about the Emperor of NYC's mandates? Of course the teachers managed to get their fat asses exempted

Posted by: steevy at December 07, 2021 01:46 PM (CYnTg)

250 242 Posted by: moon_over_vermont at December 07, 2021 01:44 PM (yK6pq)

Yup "megadisasters" talked about it.

https://youtu.be/qr0FVVWkNrg

This clip of Cleveland getting LNGd would be mild.

Posted by: sven at December 07, 2021 01:46 PM (Lzpvj)

251 Developing: a federal court has ENJOINED the Biden Administration from enforcing its federal contractor vaccine mandate.

The injunction is nationwide.
==
Biden signs executive order denying Courts authority to enjoin his executive actions.

Posted by: The Stoopid Tyrant Joe Biden at December 07, 2021 01:46 PM (ayaBV)

252 If he was a monster and a pestilence, imagine what her life was like growing up.

I don't remember being all that impressed with any Klaus Kinski performance, but his daughter was doing full nude scenes in movies at the age of 16 so clearly something was wrong in that family.

There was a whole series of screwed up daughters in movies in the 70s and 80s, like Charlotte Gainsbourg who performed the song "Lemon Incest" with her dad at the age of 13. Daughter of Jane Birkin and Serge Gainsbourg who fancied himself an auteur

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2021 01:47 PM (KZzsI)

253 229 Has anyone here partaken of that abomination called "carrot and raisin salad?"

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at December 07, 2021 01:47 PM (/TTi/)

254 Smollett got a little testy in court today also

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 07, 2021 01:47 PM (GPwVZ)

255 Conservative Treehouse has an amazing trailer for Plandemic III. Not sure how to link, it's not YouTube. I think ace or the cobs might want to consider posting it.

Posted by: Max Power at December 07, 2021 01:47 PM (Hucnr)

256 247 It's all over until the Supreme Court weighs in.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at December 07, 2021 01:45 PM (G0RGI)

Do I even have to say it?

Posted by: John Iscariot Roberts at December 07, 2021 01:47 PM (DTX3h)

257 That is it folks, the mandates are now dead.

OSHA - nationwide injunction
CMS healthcare workers - nationwide injunction
Federal Contractor EO - nationwide injunction

It's all over until the Supreme Court weighs in.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at December 07, 2021 01:45 PM (G0RGI)
++++
So OH, KY and TN have *two* injunctions - the "nationwide injunction" that just dropped and last week's (likely more legitimate) district injunction.

Do the two contractor mandate injunctions share reasoning, or do the judges made different arguments? The OH/KY/TN injunction's reasoning is that it is an overstep of executive authority and a violation of restrictions on administrative procedures.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 07, 2021 01:47 PM (DU+/6)

258 131 If Frankie dies, doesn't the old pope become pope again?
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy

The first guy that shows up wearing a red hat becomes the new pope.
Posted by: JT at December 07, 2021 01:29 PM (arJlL)
------------------

TWO POPES ENTER.
ONE POPE LEAVES.

Posted by: Cardinal Blaster at December 07, 2021 01:47 PM (o0WIV)

259 We need a polish pope.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy

Most importantly, you need a Catholic pope.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2021 01:36 PM (M4qcY)

We also need a hetero pope.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 07, 2021 01:47 PM (2JVJo)

260 You don't win a settlement and given that the cinematographer is dead, no judgment will bankrupt baldwin. Your fantasy ain't happening.

Posted by: SFGoth at December 07, 2021 01:47 PM (KAi1n)

261 244 Posted by: Chairman LMAO at December 07, 2021 01:45 PM (/TTi/)

Tapper is a professional liar.

Posted by: sven at December 07, 2021 01:47 PM (Lzpvj)

262
In Saving Private Ryan, if you look carefully at the scene where Tom Hanks is popping rounds at the tank with his .45, you can see that his weapon is having feed issues. It jams multiple times. I believe this was caused by underpowered blanks.

Posted by: bonhomme

Very possible. Semi autos are tough because you have to have enough recoil to operate the action and that can vary by firearm (due to the laws of physics). The recoil from blanks comes from the expulsion of gas only while both the bullet and gas contribute to recoil from a regular cartridge. Back in the service, we used blank adaptors for the AR in part to provide enough gas pressure to operate the system.

Posted by: whig at December 07, 2021 01:47 PM (9hXN1)

263 Do not look it up in the Urban Dictionary at work. But you knew that anyway.
Posted by: 496 at December 07, 2021 01:41 PM (VJsqe)

Yes, yes I did...

And it seems I'm today's Bud Abbott to the Horde's Lou Costello.

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at December 07, 2021 01:48 PM (BgMrQ)

264 That is it folks, the mandates are now dead.

OSHA - nationwide injunction
CMS healthcare workers - nationwide injunction
Federal Contractor EO - nationwide injunction

It's all over until the Supreme Court weighs in.

.. let the lawsuits against employers and the government proceed.

Posted by: SMOD at December 07, 2021 01:48 PM (RHGPo)

265 with someone a lot better for the job.
Posted by: Joe Mannix

A practicing Catholic that actually knows and follows Canon Law would be preferred.

A non-Jesuit would fit the above criteria while a Jesuit will never meet the above criteria.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at December 07, 2021 01:48 PM (Jn+M1)

266 Has anyone here partaken of that abomination called "carrot and raisin salad?

I'm sure that I've had worse at pot luck luncheons; I really don't like jello molds.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 07, 2021 01:48 PM (poMoX)

267 244 Tapper is horrified that anyone would suggest this was homicide.
Posted by: Chairman LMAO at December 07, 2021 01:45 PM (/TTi/)

A death caused by a person?

Posted by: blaster at December 07, 2021 01:48 PM (mbFEM)

268 Alec probably needs to be in therapy with someone who calls him to accountability and doesn't let him yammer on endlessly about his feelings.

Modern therapists don't even do that, they work to help people understand how nothing is their fault, and how to isolate and blame particular groups and people for how they feel.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2021 01:48 PM (KZzsI)

269 OSHA - nationwide injunction
CMS healthcare workers - nationwide injunction
Federal Contractor EO - nationwide injunction

It's all over until the Supreme Court weighs in.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at December 07, 2021 01:45 PM (G0RGI)

With all the contentious cases going on, I think there's a very good possibility that the SCOTUS declines to review these Mandate cases, leaving the lower court findings against the mandate intact.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 07, 2021 01:48 PM (trdmm)

270
It's all over until the Supreme Court weighs in.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at December 07, 2021 01:45 PM (G0RGI)

Your taxes paid for that. So. eff off.

Posted by: SCOTUS Roberts at December 07, 2021 01:49 PM (IJES/)

271 Nope. It's still loaded, even if you know it isn't.

I can prove it. Unload one of your pistols, put it to your head and pull the trigger. I'll bet you can't!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

And you can argue with Col Jeff Cooper.
I'll believe him.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2021 01:49 PM (M4qcY)

272 With all the contentious cases going on, I think there's a very good possibility that the SCOTUS declines to review these Mandate cases, leaving the lower court findings against the mandate intact.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 07, 2021 01:48 PM (trdmm)
++++
You could likely replace "contentious cases going on" with "gaping pussies on the Court" and still be correct.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 07, 2021 01:49 PM (DU+/6)

273 Tom - I can see that, especially since every one of these rullings has quoted John Roberts.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at December 07, 2021 01:50 PM (G0RGI)

274 Good News: It's mainly Seattle, Portland, San Fran, and LA that need to worry about it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 07, 2021 01:40 PM (trdmm)

Well, they could run a mix of missiles and longer range cruise missiles. Its not like we'd have anything available to stop them.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 07, 2021 01:50 PM (axyOa)

275 I'm sure Kamala is a shitty boss but boy those staffers are snowflakes. They probably think if you correct a mistake by them it is bullying.

Posted by: steevy at December 07, 2021 01:50 PM (CYnTg)

276 In fairness I'd be pretty angry too if someone was following me around with a camera asking me what I was doing and who's house I was going to.
Mind your own damned business.

Posted by: STV at December 07, 2021 01:50 PM (60lnD)

277 Bet you I can. Because when I clear a gun, it's clear.

Agreed. It's such monumentally bad form that it would feel weird and I wouldn't want to have anybody see me do it. But I could do it because I'm (usually, more or less) a rational human being.

Posted by: Oddbob at December 07, 2021 01:50 PM (nfrXX)

278 Has anyone here partaken of that abomination called "carrot and raisin salad?"

I've had worse, but its not something I would go out of my way to try.

I tried to dry my own cranberries but they ended up tasting like chewing a 500 mil vitamin C tablet. Apparently all that honey and sugar in the prep that I skipped was actually necessary.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2021 01:50 PM (KZzsI)

279 Ummm...homicide != murder. Homicide is technically when one human being causes the death of another. So yeah, Baldwin, by definition, committed homicide. Was it murder...maybe, maybe not.

Posted by: FriscoYoda at December 07, 2021 01:50 PM (+56GQ)

280 266 Has anyone here partaken of that abomination called "carrot and raisin salad?

Oh yeah, that's an old standard. I personally was always kinda partial to the multicolored 7 Layer Jello molds.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 07, 2021 01:50 PM (trdmm)

281 Baldwin is a killer. BOOM!

Posted by: Dr. Bone at December 07, 2021 01:50 PM (BPuaD)

282 239 Nope. It's still loaded, even if you know it isn't.

I can prove it. Unload one of your pistols, put it to your head and pull the trigger. I'll bet you can't!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

The military (and many law enforcement agencies) regularly point their actual weapons at each other for training. With and without blanks. Accidents are very rare, but do occasionally happen. I remember, as a cadet, having someone shoot an M60 at me (with blanks). The blank adapter wasn't on correctly, so it popped off and flew about a foot from my head.

Good times.

Posted by: Grimmy at December 07, 2021 01:51 PM (EoZOL)

283 Has anyone here partaken of that abomination called "carrot and raisin salad?"
Posted by: Chairman LMAO

Proof beyond a doubt that hell is real.

Posted by: Tonypete at December 07, 2021 01:51 PM (mD/uy)

284 And you can argue with Col Jeff Cooper.
I'll believe him.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2021 01:49 PM (M4qcY)

Zombie Jeff Cooper?

Posted by: blaster at December 07, 2021 01:51 PM (mbFEM)

285 Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2021 01:48 PM (KZzsI)

I haven't been in therapy intensely for about 15 years, but it wasn't like that then-at least with the person I had, but he had been a pastor so that probably shaped his ideas about sin and responsibility..

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 07, 2021 01:51 PM (poMoX)

286 253 229 Has anyone here partaken of that abomination called "carrot and raisin salad?"
Posted by: Chairman LMAO at December 07, 2021 01:47 PM (/TTi/)

Even I know that's just wrong...

Posted by: Big Raisin at December 07, 2021 01:51 PM (BgMrQ)

287 Christopher Walken knows a thing or two about revolvers from his role in The Deer Hunter.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at December 07, 2021 01:51 PM (/TTi/)

288 Has anyone here partaken of that abomination called "carrot and raisin salad?"
Posted by: Chairman LMAO at December 07, 2021 01:47 PM (/TTi/)
++++
Can't be worse than keratin resin salad.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 07, 2021 01:52 PM (DU+/6)

289 219 Didn't she start getting naked in movies by like 16?
Posted by: steevy at December 07, 2021

***
Maybe so. She had some nude scenes, or nearly nude, in Cat People in '82. How old was she then?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at December 07, 2021 01:52 PM (txdEq)

290 We need an American Pope.

-
Kamala may soon be available.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 07, 2021 01:52 PM (FVME7)

291 282 Posted by: Grimmy at December 07, 2021 01:51 PM (EoZOL)

You can feel the pressure vortex from a properly kitted for blanks 50 cal from six feet away....

not that I'd know.

Posted by: sven at December 07, 2021 01:52 PM (Lzpvj)

292 Off corrupt black dress sock

Posted by: BifBewalski (IJES/) - at December 07, 2021 01:52 PM (IJES/)

293 249 The courts have anything to say about the Emperor of NYC's mandates? Of course the teachers managed to get their fat asses exempted

The Northeast is lost. Fall back to western PA.

Posted by: Capital Eff at December 07, 2021 01:52 PM (GYllL)

294 Agreed. It's such monumentally bad form that it would feel weird and I wouldn't want to have anybody see me do it. But I could do it because I'm (usually, more or less) a rational human being.
Posted by: Oddbob

This mystique that a gun magically loads itself after I've just stared at my thumbnail down the barrel while the gun is still in my hand is mind boggling.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2021 01:52 PM (M4qcY)

295 269 OSHA - nationwide injunction
CMS healthcare workers - nationwide injunction
Federal Contractor EO - nationwide injunction

It's all over until the Supreme Court weighs in.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at December 07, 2021 01:45 PM (G0RGI)

With all the contentious cases going on, I think there's a very good possibility that the SCOTUS declines to review these Mandate cases, leaving the lower court findings against the mandate intact.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 07, 2021 01:48 PM (trdmm)

I believe all of these cases remain to be tried in Fed District Court. These injunctions are stopping implementation now because the judges believe the plaintiffs have a good chance of winning their case when it's tried.

Posted by: Gref at December 07, 2021 01:52 PM (AMIL/)

296 Proof beyond a doubt that hell is real.
Posted by: Tonypete at December 07, 2021 01:51 PM (mD/uy)

If hell is gastronomical (sp) I can think of a lot of other things I'd rather not eat than raisin carrot salad. Capers is up there and tripe, just to name a few.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 07, 2021 01:53 PM (poMoX)

297 Um. A different Adam in Beetlejuice.

Posted by: jakee308 at December 07, 2021 01:53 PM (1hoTV)

298 The military (and many law enforcement agencies) regularly point their actual weapons at each other for training. With and without blanks. Accidents are very rare, but do occasionally happen. I remember, as a cadet, having someone shoot an M60 at me (with blanks). The blank adapter wasn't on correctly, so it popped off and flew about a foot from my head.

Good times.
Posted by: Grimmy at December 07, 2021 01:51 PM (EoZOL)
***

Heh Heh
At ROTC Summer camp, we'd take the blank adaptoers off the M-16s and stick the barrels into a mud puddle then shoot. The mud waould give a very nice splatter out to about 30 feet.
Good times!

Posted by: Diogenes at December 07, 2021 01:53 PM (axyOa)

299 The first thing I remember Adam Baldwin in was the movie My Bodyguard. Who remembers that movie?

I do. I remember liking it. Haven't seen it in years.

Posted by: Biergood at December 07, 2021 01:53 PM (FQWHA)

300 253 229 Has anyone here partaken of that abomination called "carrot and raisin salad?"
Posted by: Chairman LMAO at December 07, 2021 01:47 PM (/TTi/)

Someone turned that into a chili. I passed on it however.

Posted by: Roy at December 07, 2021 01:53 PM (Ti+Tv)

301 It seems Alec Baldwin showed up in Epstein's black book. Hmmmm.

Posted by: Capital Eff at December 07, 2021 01:54 PM (GYllL)

302 Note: Adam Baldwin is not related to Alec, in any familial way.

Also his best role was John Casey in "Chuck".

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at December 07, 2021 01:54 PM (OssQ4)

303 Has anyone here partaken of that abomination called "carrot and raisin salad?"
Posted by: Chairman LMAO at December 07, 2021 01:47 PM (/TTi/)
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My father was Lutheran. The occasional weekend that mom was away and dad was in charge, he dutifully sat us down in front of a television, put on Davey and Goliath, and set bowls of the stuff before us.

Posted by: reason at December 07, 2021 01:54 PM (o0WIV)

304 294 Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2021 01:52 PM (M4qcY)

Having a mental hesistancy to point a weapon at another human being unless you intend to end their life is a good safety poisition.

I agree with you on the rhetoric, but let's not quibble Bladwin is a retard and unsafe at any weapon's check status.

Posted by: sven at December 07, 2021 01:54 PM (Lzpvj)

305 Maybe so. She had some nude scenes, or nearly nude, in Cat People in '82. How old was she then?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at December 07, 2021 01:52 PM (txdEq)

Hard to tell with the squiggly lines in my TV.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 07, 2021 01:54 PM (Z5y5O)

306 Joe - the reasoning in the judgements are slightly different, but there are common themes. The Georgia judgement is more critical of the EO.

Result is the same though. Enjoined has the same effect regardless of the rationale.

You can tell your company to pound sand, they can't legally fire you for refusing to follow their vax policy.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at December 07, 2021 01:55 PM (G0RGI)

307 The first thing I remember Adam Baldwin in was the movie My Bodyguard. Who remembers that movie?
Posted by: steevy at December 07, 2021 01:31 PM (CYnTg)

Me. Also DC Cab.

Posted by: Jordan61 at December 07, 2021 01:55 PM (Ez6QX)

308 Errr...carrot and raisin salad looks pretty good to me. YMMV.

Posted by: FriscoYoda at December 07, 2021 01:55 PM (+56GQ)

309 I remember, as a cadet, having someone shoot an M60 at me (with blanks). The blank adapter wasn't on correctly, so it popped off and flew about a foot from my head.

Good times.
Posted by: Grimmy at December 07, 2021 01:51 PM

I remember as a cadet watching a classmate get thrown off of three separate ranges (M60, LAW, mortar) for yuge safety violations. Otherwise bright young lady, but damn she was a menace to life and limb.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 07, 2021 01:55 PM (m+jkK)

310 Okay, because it can't be worse. But if you put shredded carrots in the jello, I'm out.
Posted by: Turn Two at December 07, 2021 01:42 PM (mO6nR)

They put raisins in coleslaw - they put walnuts in chicken salad. No - no pope for them.

Posted by: Boswell at December 07, 2021 01:55 PM (5iUNf)

311 I hate Alec Baldwin more than most of you guys. But one of my favorite movies is Snatch. Brad Pitt, Jason Statham, I like it. So I watch it every few months. It is very common in movies, Snatch for example, for actors to point guns at other actors. And I noticed, while watching the other day, since the Baldwin debacle, that this is often not a trick of the camera angle etc. They really are pointing guns at each other.
My point is that pointing guns at people in movies is very common. And while Baldwin is a world class dxuche. And him saying I did not pull the trigger? Idiotic. But many other movies/sets have made this work. It is not that hard.
I know such an opinion may not be welcome here. But there you go. That is why I do not have many friends.

Posted by: MikeM at December 07, 2021 01:55 PM (oTuGd)

312 Having a mental hesistancy to point a weapon at another human being unless you intend to end their life is a good safety poisition.

I agree with you on the rhetoric, but let's not quibble Bladwin is a retard and unsafe at any weapon's check status.
Posted by: sven

Agreed.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2021 01:56 PM (M4qcY)

313 We've had a Family tragedy today, so your prayers would be appreciated. Love, Faith, Hope, Light, Pardon and eventual Joy prayers would be appreciated.

-Thank You, Horde

Posted by: Slapweasel (Ckg4U) at December 07, 2021 01:56 PM (Ckg4U)

314 I would say he has some impulses, but his acting range isn't quite full.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 07, 2021 01:56 PM (r5BVk)

315 303 what a sad story.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at December 07, 2021 01:57 PM (/TTi/)

316 Chairman LMAO yet anyone shooting a fellow Leftist gets label a murder

Posted by: Skip's Phone at December 07, 2021 01:57 PM (SA1aU)

317 In Saving Private Ryan, if you look carefully at the scene where Tom Hanks is popping rounds at the tank with his .45, you can see that his weapon is having feed issues. It jams multiple times. I believe this was caused by underpowered blanks.

Posted by: bonhomme

Can't remember the scene - but do know when I first got my new Springfield 1911, I had serious feeding problems. Turned out that it just didn't like the hollowpoints I had (only .45 ACP I could find a year ago). Once I used regular RN FMJ's and they "polished up" everything a bit, it was working fine with everything. Wonder if it was just a combination of a newly built gun and shape of blanks? A few morons (and rangemaster) confirmed my issues on the gun thread.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at December 07, 2021 01:57 PM (wAnMi)

318 I recently watched the first couple of seasons of The Last Ship (a show about what a real pandemic would look like). Adam was great in it.

Posted by: Biergood at December 07, 2021 01:57 PM (FQWHA)

319 Heh Heh
At ROTC Summer camp, we'd take the blank adaptoers off the M-16s and stick the barrels into a mud puddle then shoot. The mud waould give a very nice splatter out to about 30 feet.
Good times!

Posted by: Diogenes

I hated cleaning ARs after firing blanks. Adding mud to the equation would just make it worse. Blank powder is nasty and gets everything twice as dirty than regular rounds of ammo. Disposing of old blanks is even worse as you cannot effectively decommission them unlike old regular ammo for any salvageable parts.

Posted by: whig at December 07, 2021 01:57 PM (9hXN1)

320 Note: Adam Baldwin is not related to Alec, in any familial way.

Also his best role was John Casey in "Chuck".
Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at December 07, 2021 01:54 PM (OssQ4)

A friend of mine was on that show. Said he was the real deal. A great guy.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 07, 2021 01:57 PM (axyOa)

321 Prayers up, Slapweasel. Sorry to hear that.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at December 07, 2021 01:57 PM (OssQ4)

322 313. Done, and done.

Posted by: Greyman27 at December 07, 2021 01:57 PM (RKLPC)

323 280 266 Has anyone here partaken of that abomination called "carrot and raisin salad?

Oh yeah, that's an old standard. I personally was always kinda partial to the multicolored 7 Layer Jello molds.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 07, 2021 01:50 PM (trdmm)

I liked a few of them back in the day. The problem was finding a spot to put that stuff on your already full plate where it wouldn't contaminate the taste of the turkey, mashed potatoes and gravy, stuffing, rolls, and green bean casserole. And vice-versa.

Posted by: Gref at December 07, 2021 01:57 PM (AMIL/)

324 Alec Baldwin should do more time than Bill Cosby.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, load and make ready at December 07, 2021 01:57 PM (XvPQV)

325 He didn't point his gun at an actor in a scene, he pointed it and dropped the hammer on the cinematographer

Posted by: steevy at December 07, 2021 01:57 PM (CYnTg)

326 313 We've had a Family tragedy today, so your prayers would be appreciated. Love, Faith, Hope, Light, Pardon and eventual Joy prayers would be appreciated.

-Thank You, Horde
Posted by: Slapweasel (Ckg4U) at December 07, 2021 01:56 PM (Ckg4U)

Sorry for the situation you find yourself in Slap, Prayers Up!

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at December 07, 2021 01:57 PM (BgMrQ)

327 Prayers for you and yours Slap.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 07, 2021 01:58 PM (r5BVk)

328 Errr...carrot and raisin salad looks pretty good to me. YMMV.
Posted by: FriscoYoda at December 07, 2021 01:55 PM (+56GQ)

How Dare You!
- Bif's IBS

Posted by: BifBewalski (IJES/) - at December 07, 2021 01:58 PM (IJES/)

329 You got it, Slap.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 07, 2021 01:58 PM (Z5y5O)

330 I loved the carrot and raisin salad as a kid.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at December 07, 2021 01:58 PM (G0RGI)

331 Hitting my knees Slap.
God's blessing to you.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 07, 2021 01:58 PM (axyOa)

332 >>>But I could do it because I'm (usually, more or less) a rational human being.

Posted by: Oddbob at December 07, 2021 01:50 PM (nfrXX)
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And that's why they call you Oddbob

Posted by: Braenyard at December 07, 2021 01:58 PM (bW5jA)

333 Nastassja Kinsky was buck naked in To The Devil A Daughter at age 15-16. She went on to a series of racy films, of which Cat People was the most serious (although she did Tess before that which was an actual serious and quality movie).

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2021 01:58 PM (KZzsI)

334 The Northeast is lost. Fall back to western PA.
Posted by: Capital Eff at December 07, 2021 01:52 PM (GYllL)

Only the corner in the Southeast that was corrupted by New Jersey and a little bit in the west that was corrupted by the steel unions. The rest of PA is pretty solidly conservative.

That said, we do have a lot of folks who think that the Democrat party is sane but just has a different way for the country to go but at heart are patriots.

Which is so wrong. I think that the election of 2020 might have had the truth shoved up their ass sideways. So perhaps we'll see some changes. The Legislature has slapped down the Philly Lawyer a few times and I believe next year will see some major election law reform. You'll be able to tell by how much screaming comes out of Philly.

Posted by: jakee308 at December 07, 2021 01:58 PM (1hoTV)

335 And I'm always praying for ya, Slap. For whatever a bad person's prayers are worth.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, load and make ready at December 07, 2021 01:58 PM (XvPQV)

336 275 I'm sure Kamala is a shitty boss but boy those staffers are snowflakes. They probably think if you correct a mistake by them it is bullying.

Posted by: steevy at December 07, 2021 01:50 PM (CYnTg)

--------
We've had at least three generations of children who've been increasingly coddled -- not having to endure criticism or be held accountable with consequences for their actions -- by their parents specifically and society in general. Snowflakes, as you say.

The culture shock of being thrown into the real world must be a hell of a rude awakening and slap in the face.

Posted by: ShainS -- Let's Poop Brandon! (Non Compos Anus) at December 07, 2021 01:58 PM (qFRAe)

337 Prayers for you Slapweasel

Posted by: steevy at December 07, 2021 01:58 PM (CYnTg)

338 Adam isn't related to Alec? But they look so much alike. Just assumed they were brothers. But I don't know much about/follow actor types, in general.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 07, 2021 01:59 PM (OTzUX)

339 Okay Slap

Posted by: JT at December 07, 2021 01:59 PM (arJlL)

340 That is it folks, the mandates are now dead.

OSHA - nationwide injunction
CMS healthcare workers - nationwide injunction
Federal Contractor EO - nationwide injunction

It's all over until the Supreme Court weighs in.

.. let the lawsuits against employers and the government proceed.
Posted by: SMOD at December 07, 2021 01:48 PM (RHGPo)

What about the city and state mandates?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 07, 2021 01:59 PM (GPwVZ)

341 I bet his balls are pretty Schweddy right now.

Posted by: Jak Sucio at December 07, 2021 01:59 PM (EiGqC)

342 I believe all of these cases remain to be tried in Fed District Court. These injunctions are stopping implementation now because the judges believe the plaintiffs have a good chance of winning their case when it's tried.
Posted by: Gref at December 07, 2021 01:52 PM (AMIL/)

Remember - with these mandates, Time is of the Essence. But when it gets set for trial, the Courts can easily make sure that it doesn't even come up for argument for at least 6 months, maybe a year.

Giving an injunction and setting it for trial "someday" is the Judiciary's standard model for killing anything time sensitive that it doesn't like.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 07, 2021 02:00 PM (trdmm)

343 I remember as a cadet watching a classmate get thrown off of three separate ranges (M60, LAW, mortar) for yuge safety violations. Otherwise bright young lady, but damn she was a menace to life and limb.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 07, 2021 01:55 PM (m+jkK)

I have a story on the Vulcan firing line. She got thrown of that range tout suite!

Posted by: blaster at December 07, 2021 02:00 PM (mbFEM)

344 330 I loved the carrot and raisin salad as a kid.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at December 07, 2021 01:58 PM (G0RGI)

I was kidding when I socked as Big Raisin earlier...

This abomination is a real thing?

Just raisins and carrots together...with what, a mayo binder?

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at December 07, 2021 02:00 PM (BgMrQ)

345 Also his best role was John Casey in "Chuck".

Better than Jayne? We're just going to have to agree to disagree. But you're wrong.

Posted by: Oddbob at December 07, 2021 02:00 PM (nfrXX)

346 You'll know the DA is going to charge Baldwin if he starts a lefty vanity crusade.

Current fashion is anti-vaxxers.

But, he may go for anti-racism.

Posted by: Lrrr at December 07, 2021 02:00 PM (jIL4c)

347 @320
Didn't Adam Baldwin played a super soldier in the last couple of seasons of X-Files (the first run)?

Also liked his character in Firefly.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at December 07, 2021 02:01 PM (/TTi/)

348 Posted by: Slapweasel (Ckg4U) at December 07, 2021 01:56 PM (Ckg4U)

Of course, Slap. I'm so sorry you had a family tragedy.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 07, 2021 02:01 PM (poMoX)

349 I hated cleaning ARs after firing blanks. Adding mud to the equation would just make it worse. Blank powder is nasty and gets everything twice as dirty than regular rounds of ammo. Disposing of old blanks is even worse as you cannot effectively decommission them unlike old regular ammo for any salvageable parts.

Posted by: whig at December 07, 2021 01:57 PM (9hXN1)

At Jungle School they have you take your rifles in the shower with you.

Posted by: blaster at December 07, 2021 02:01 PM (mbFEM)

350 325 Posted by: steevy at December 07, 2021 01:57 PM (CYnTg)

Yup, people are glossing that over.

There was no professional reason for what he did, ergo it was negligent.

But hey, actors play with guns or something.

Posted by: sven at December 07, 2021 02:01 PM (Lzpvj)

351 Adam was pretty good in Independence Day and Full Metal Jacket as well.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2021 02:01 PM (KZzsI)

352 Alec has two brothers that are also actors Billy and Stephen. Adam is unrelated

Posted by: steevy at December 07, 2021 02:02 PM (CYnTg)

353 Prayers up for you and yours, Slap.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 07, 2021 02:02 PM (dkvcO)

354 In my Bodyguard as Alex the kid? Seems a old movie

Posted by: Skip's Phone at December 07, 2021 02:02 PM (SA1aU)

355 Having a mental hesistancy to point a weapon at another human being unless you intend to end their life is a good safety poisition.

I agree with you on the rhetoric, but let's not quibble Bladwin is a retard and unsafe at any weapon's check status.
Posted by: sven at December 07, 2021 01:54 PM (Lzpvj)

We don't have an out of check ego. Just imagine how many people literally dodged a bullet with that clown handling firearms on a given set? I imagine he pointed every GD gun he ever laid hands on at somebody more than once during the course of a movie, without safety ever once crossing his mind (if you could call it that).

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at December 07, 2021 02:02 PM (wAnMi)

356 Actually his brother Daniel has also been in some things, so 3 acting brothers

Posted by: steevy at December 07, 2021 02:03 PM (CYnTg)

357 Slapweasel, prayers up.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at December 07, 2021 02:03 PM (Jn+M1)

358 He didn't point his gun at an actor in a scene, he pointed it and dropped the hammer on the cinematographer
Posted by: steevy
Yes. My point is that this is a very common occurrence in hundreds of movies. Guns aimed at fellow actors, aimed at crew, including therefore cinematographers, it happens hundreds of times a year, on movie sets all over the world.

Posted by: MikeM at December 07, 2021 02:03 PM (oTuGd)

359 Yes, 2021 America, but how in the wide wide world of sports do *any* of these "exemptions" fly? Or alternatively how do they not end up gutting the entire mandate they're exemptions to?

It was obnoxious and indefensible enough when the disastrous O-care garbage exempted groups/people/friends of the Borg.

But when (for the dumbed down scientifically illiterate culture) the thing is ostensibly a public health rationale - vaccinations to limit/stop an epidemic - WTF is even the nominal rationale?

Rhetorical question. This society including its institutions is so unserious and pathetic that such obvious things routinely pass without even a question.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 07, 2021 02:03 PM (OTzUX)

360 -Thank You, Horde
Posted by: Slapweasel

Of course Slap.

Posted by: Tonypete at December 07, 2021 02:03 PM (mD/uy)

361 Also liked his character in Firefly.
Posted by: Chairman LMAO at December 07, 2021 02:01 PM (/TTi/)

He kinda lost it for me with his "gosh darm it" line. Total jerkery.

Posted by: jakee308 at December 07, 2021 02:04 PM (1hoTV)

362 You've got it Slapweasel.

Posted by: Jewells45 deplorablethug#FJB at December 07, 2021 02:04 PM (nxdel)

363 Nood

Posted by: Furious George at December 07, 2021 02:04 PM (9vQJW)

364 I loved the carrot and raisin salad as a kid.
Posted by: Dave in Fla

Yup, and no one has tried to serve it to me since then.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at December 07, 2021 02:04 PM (Jn+M1)

365 355 Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at December 07, 2021 02:02 PM (wAnMi)

Quite, they rage about people's judgement because they know they have no restraint themselves.

Posted by: sven at December 07, 2021 02:04 PM (Lzpvj)

366 We don't have an out of check ego. Just imagine how many people literally dodged a bullet with that clown handling firearms on a given set? I imagine he pointed every GD gun he ever laid hands on at somebody more than once during the course of a movie, without safety ever once crossing his mind (if you could call it that).
==
He's not safe to be around. I wonder if he has a driver's license. I wouldn't trust him in the kitchen with a potato peeler.

Posted by: crazy at December 07, 2021 02:04 PM (ayaBV)

367 NOOD- mandate

Posted by: PattiO'Table, oxidizing slowly at December 07, 2021 02:04 PM (JOjKl)

368 I loved the carrot and raisin salad as a kid.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at December 07, 2021 01:58 PM (G0RGI)

Luby's cafeteria in Texas FTW

Posted by: MAC SOG'''' at December 07, 2021 02:05 PM (P4Pk9)

369 255 Conservative Treehouse has an amazing trailer for Plandemic III. Not sure how to link, it's not YouTube. I think ace or the cobs might want to consider posting it.
Posted by: Max Power at December 07, 2021 01:47 PM
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http://bitly.ws/jTJt

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at December 07, 2021 02:05 PM (sWM8x)

370 358 Posted by: MikeM at December 07, 2021 02:03 PM (oTuGd)

and somehow with all of this zany Whore E Wood hijinks only Arik "didn't kill somebody"....

amazing...

Posted by: sven at December 07, 2021 02:06 PM (Lzpvj)

371 A lot of semi-auto (and full auto) weapons need a lot of modification to run blanks reliably. Being a movie armorer is a real full time job, requiring a lot of know how.

Revolvers are much easier, and don't normally require modifications. Most revolvers can fire blanks and normal ammo without modification.

Word is, the dumb ass armorer chick on Rust was shooting the guns used in scenes with live ammo earlier in the week before Baldwin's homicide.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, load and make ready at December 07, 2021 02:06 PM (XvPQV)

372 He was framed for a homicide he didn't commit.

Alec Baldwin stars in: Rust In Peacemaker

Posted by: Dr. Bone at December 07, 2021 02:06 PM (BPuaD)

373 Prayers up, Slap.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at December 07, 2021 02:06 PM (Xrfse)

374 What about the city and state mandates?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 07, 2021 01:59 PM (GPwVZ)

Cities and States derive their police power (the power to regulate) from the respective State Constitutions, so those questions will have to be decided by the State Courts on a case by case basis.

The cases in Federal Court are saying that the Federal Government has no power under the Constitution to make these kinds of orders.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 07, 2021 02:06 PM (trdmm)

375 90 Saw this morning
Posted by: Skip's Phone at December 07, 2021 01:24 PM (SA1aU)

So did I. And I'm at the age where I thank God every time I do.

Posted by: I'm The Other White Meat at December 07, 2021 02:06 PM (Fs5vw)

376 Mike M, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. But as a matter of law, lethal and other harmful accidents involving firearms are what are called foreseeable. So, if your movie requires such to be done like pointing at the camera, pointing at another person, etc. then like using most dangerous and lethal equipment, the level of care required to do that without liability (both criminal and civil) must be extraordinary.

This was not followed by the people involved nor the practices that they followed. E.g. cameras are usually operated remotely or the personnel not involved in the scene are either removed or protected by bullet proof screens. Live ammo is to be strictly segregated from blank ammunition and under lock and key of the armorer, and so on.
Even if all the previous problems occurred, live ammo, damaged firearm, etc. If Mr. Baldwin had personally checked the firearm for being loaded and did not point it at the cinematographer/director without any apparent protection as well as cocking it, one person will still be alive and another unwounded. The fault is Mr. Baldwin's and it is for the justice system of NM to decide how fault should be allocated and punished

Posted by: whig at December 07, 2021 02:06 PM (9hXN1)

377 Just raisins and carrots together...with what, a mayo binder?
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at December 07, 2021 02:00 PM (BgMrQ)

My mom made this pineapple salad thing which was Dole pineapple slices topped with mayo and cheese - it was an abomination from Hell. You'd serve that to prisoners if the waterboarding didn't work....

Posted by: Boswell at December 07, 2021 02:06 PM (5iUNf)

378 Was Alec tested for alcohol immediately after the incident?

Posted by: Elric Blade at December 07, 2021 02:07 PM (iFTx/)

379 I am no psychologist, but this is the internet. That being said, this is an obvious case of small Irish dick. Not that it's a bad thing. It can make you a great actor.

Posted by: lonetown at December 07, 2021 02:07 PM (sJhif)

380 325 He didn't point his gun at an actor in a scene, he pointed it and dropped the hammer on the cinematographer

Posted by: steevy at December 07, 2021 01:57 PM (CYnTg)

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"That's why I shot her! Bitch was acting like she knew more about cinematography than me ..."

Posted by: ShainS -- Let's Poop Brandon! (Non Compos Anus) at December 07, 2021 02:09 PM (qFRAe)

381 269 OSHA - nationwide injunction
CMS healthcare workers - nationwide injunction
Federal Contractor EO - nationwide injunction

It's all over until the Supreme Court weighs in.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at December 07, 2021 01:45 PM (G0RGI)

I feel really bad for our armed forces.

Posted by: Archer at December 07, 2021 02:09 PM (gmo/4)

382
"Killing someone is the worst thing that ever happened to me."

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at December 07, 2021 02:10 PM (2iDSr)

383 My mom made this pineapple salad thing which was Dole pineapple slices topped with mayo and cheese - it was an abomination from Hell. You'd serve that to prisoners if the waterboarding didn't work....
Posted by: Boswell at December 07, 2021 02:06 PM (5iUNf)

That makes Nutriloaf seem palatable by comparison.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Sexual Racist. at December 07, 2021 02:11 PM (II3Gr)

384 What happened to his wife's accent?

Posted by: Xander Crews at December 07, 2021 02:11 PM (MpOGS)

385 381 Posted by: Archer at December 07, 2021 02:09 PM (gmo/4)

Defense and Intelligence contractors were told "get the jab or go home."

Where do I go to undo the jab?

Nowhere.

Posted by: sven at December 07, 2021 02:11 PM (Lzpvj)

386 Oh, I guess I should have read the comments since that came up like 15 times already.

Posted by: Xander Crews at December 07, 2021 02:12 PM (MpOGS)

387 384 Posted by: Xander Crews at December 07, 2021 02:11 PM (MpOGS)

I actually almost feel bad for her, she knows at some level that Arik fucked up on an existential level and she has been reminded starkly that there are limits to how much power he really has.

Posted by: sven at December 07, 2021 02:12 PM (Lzpvj)

388 Charlie De Mar
@CharlieDeMar
Smollett drove from Lakeview to Streeterville with Brothers. Smollett says plan was to workout [rather than rehearsing the hoax] .

Special prosecutor: Were you so stoned that you didn't get out of your car to workout?

Smollett denies that he was too high but says he didn't want to work out with Ola.

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Boy, if I had a nickel . . .

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 07, 2021 02:12 PM (FVME7)

389 378 Was Alec tested for alcohol immediately after the incident?

Posted by: Elric Blade at December 07, 2021 02:07 PM (iFTx/)

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"No, but they should have tested the gun and the projectile for BAC ..." -- [insert favorite lefty loon here]

/Actually, excellent question

Posted by: ShainS -- Let's Poop Brandon! (Non Compos Anus) at December 07, 2021 02:12 PM (qFRAe)

390 Nastassja Kinsky was buck naked in To The Devil A Daughter at age 15-16. She went on to a series of racy films, of which Cat People was the most serious (although she did Tess before that which was an actual serious and quality movie).
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2021

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I liked her even clothed in Cat People. With her dark short hair, she was kind of like a Euro and grown-up version of Kim Darby's Mattie Ross (in looks, now, not temperament).

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at December 07, 2021 02:13 PM (txdEq)

391 >>>Remember - with these mandates, Time is of the Essence. But when it gets set for trial, the Courts can easily make sure that it doesn't even come up for argument for at least 6 months, maybe a year.

Giving an injunction and setting it for trial "someday" is the Judiciary's standard model for killing anything time sensitive that it doesn't like.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 07, 2021 02:00 PM (trdmm)
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Election 2022 is just around the corner.
pressure-pressure-pressure

Posted by: Braenyard at December 07, 2021 02:14 PM (bW5jA)

392 Saw something from Newsmax that Pope Francis is dying and a conclave is being prepared...?
Posted by: reason at December 07, 2021 01:13 PM (o0WIV

Restore Bendict

Posted by: Fox2! at December 07, 2021 02:15 PM (nhgiS)

393 118
Alec Baldwin should have the entirety of Jesse Smollett shoved up his ass.

Feet first.

Breech loading?

Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks at December 07, 2021 02:16 PM (w9Wax)

394 392 Posted by: Fox2! at December 07, 2021 02:15 PM (nhgiS)

Hilarious if true, "Pope Benny is too frail and addled to be Pontiff!"

Dope Frank dies first and is a lunatic.

Posted by: sven at December 07, 2021 02:16 PM (Lzpvj)

395 I actually almost feel bad for her, she knows at some level that Arik fucked up on an existential level and she has been reminded starkly that there are limits to how much power he really has.

Posted by: sven at December 07, 2021 02:12 PM (Lzpvj)

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We're gonna need a South Park Movie sequel with a gun wielding Arik Baldwin.

Make the bullets puppets attached to strings as well ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Let's Poop Brandon! (Non Compos Anus) at December 07, 2021 02:18 PM (wBKeK)

396 I was gobsmacked when he said he felt no guilt over Halyna's death. Even if he wasn't the one holding the gun, the film was his production, and she was supposedly his friend. Wouldn't a normal person feel guilt under that circumstance?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 07, 2021 01:12 PM (ptqGC)

A sociopath sometimes forgets how actual humans work and feel.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 07, 2021 02:36 PM (eoQWY)

397 Even if all the previous problems occurred, live ammo, damaged firearm, etc. If Mr. Baldwin had personally checked the firearm for being loaded and did not point it at the cinematographer/director without any apparent protection as well as cocking it, one person will still be alive and another unwounded. The fault is Mr. Baldwin's and it is for the justice system of NM to decide how fault should be allocated and punished
Posted by: whig at December 07, 2021 02:06 PM (9hXN1)

In addition, as the one of the primary producers he can't dodge responsibilities for a failure to follow standard protocols, as following them is his duty as director.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 07, 2021 02:39 PM (eoQWY)

398 396 I was gobsmacked when he said he felt no guilt over Halyna's death. Even if he wasn't the one holding the gun, the film was his production, and she was supposedly his friend. Wouldn't a normal person feel guilt under that circumstance?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 07, 2021 01:12 PM (ptqGC)
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That was scripted by his lawyers. So much of the interview was him reading from a script prepared by lawyers. Phony as fuck. At one point, he says the firing of the gun was "incidental" or something similar. Who talks like that? Most likely, the reason his lawyers did not want him admitting any "guilt" is that such an admission could be used against him at trial. "Mr. Baldwin, you previously admitted some guilt in the shooting death, correct?"

Posted by: Elric Blade at December 07, 2021 02:48 PM (iFTx/)

399 Baldwin needs to live in a stand-your-ground state. That would put him out of our misery.

Posted by: Fal Phil at December 07, 2021 02:58 PM (CE9dw)

400 "I don't buy any of that because, if Hutchins' assumption was that the gun was unloaded, she could not fear an imminent unlawful application of force."

This hinges on their being a fucking idiot, though. Because only a fucking idiot would have been OK with what was going on, and simply assumed it was unloaded.

Anyone trained - actually trained - on firearms knows that the Hollywood method of doing things is high risk and should reasonably fear for their safety if checks are not followed to a T (they weren't) and if people are horsing around and doing stupid shit (which they were - although we don't know if that includes Baldwin pretending to shoot people for the actual act of shooting, here).

Hollywood has whistled past the firearm safety graveyard for decades, with things being held together primarily by low-vis minions with a big legal, financial, and employment stake in making sure stupid actors don't shoot each other. It was a recipe for failure and it has failed.

Source: I have trained hundreds of people in a professional setting using real and replica weapons, and live and blank ammunition.

Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at December 07, 2021 03:11 PM (HIzXx)

401 The thing is he should not have guilt if he had no responsibility, so what he said is not wrong if he had no responsibility but it is not good in an interview

Posted by: Y5 at December 07, 2021 03:16 PM (RnqIf)

402 Go Away Baldwin your time has come just retire and take up life as Hermit far away from anybody

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at December 07, 2021 06:39 PM (wGqjj)

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Alec Baldwin Shows Infamous Hot Temper, Chases Questioner Even As DA Is Considering Charging Him In Shooting Death of CinematographerPlus: Alec Baldwin -- Murderer?

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Alec Baldwin Shows Infamous Hot Temper, Chases Questioner Even As DA Is Considering Charging Him In Shooting Death of Cinematographer
Plus: Alec Baldwin -- Murderer?