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The Morning Rant: Minimalist Edition
"During our conversation, President Trump said the words that I had been waiting to hear for seven months. 'We have to be ready,' he said."[...] "The message was clear: We had to prepare for the second term that had been denied him."Unfortunately, during your term in office you also demonstrated that you were not the political master that you needed to be. You were stymied and blocked at every turn...by your enemies, yes...but also by your inner circle. That was the failure of your presidency, and that is something that a more accomplished politician can avoid. You have the loyalty of more than half of America. They will fight for you; they will vote for your candidates; they will support your reimagining the Republican party, and they will follow your lead in dismantling the "China-First" attitudes of much of the elite class in America. But your candidacy in 2024 will energize the Democrat party (a party in disarray and ripe for electoral destruction) to such an extent that you will be the focus once again...not your policies...YOU! Can you win? Possibly. But to what end? Four more years of fanatical attacks from a leftist political apparatus that has shown that it will stop at nothing to destroy you, and in the process hand the country to China and its progressive allies within. Even assuming a more successful 2nd term, you are an incredibly polarizing figure, and any chance, remote as it may seem now, for some sort of reconciliation or cold peace between the two Americas would disappear. But as the guiding hand of conservative (and hopefully Republican) policy, you could reshape America and finally push back the forces that have been aligned against it since President Wilson's disastrous acceptance of the progressive cant. Which sounds better: four more years of fighting, or a position as the white knight who did what was best for America and led us back to American Exceptionalism being more than a throwaway phrase?
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Faust!
Posted by: naturalfake - Learning about the world at the HQ at December 09, 2021 11:01 AM (5NkmN)
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Alright, I disagree with the first sentence.
Now, I'll read the rest but I don't like the way it begins. No, sir!
Now, I'll read the rest but I don't like the way it begins. No, sir!
Posted by: naturalfake - Learning about the world at the HQ at December 09, 2021 11:01 AM (5NkmN)
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Top 10
Posted by: fluffy at December 09, 2021 11:01 AM (85Y3s)
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Unless we start shootin', I'm not sure I care anymore.
Posted by: BignJames at December 09, 2021 11:02 AM (AwYPR)
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Top 10 today
Posted by: Skip's Phone at December 09, 2021 11:02 AM (tDjbJ)
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Trump likes his steaks well done with ketchup
Posted by: Kurt at December 09, 2021 11:03 AM (e2xc1)
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10th?
Posted by: Admirale's Mate at December 09, 2021 11:03 AM (l/jE1)
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Good "rant".
Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 09, 2021 11:03 AM (a3Q+t)
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I could support this
Posted by: fluffy at December 09, 2021 11:03 AM (85Y3s)
Posted by: hogmartin at December 09, 2021 11:03 AM (P4LRL)
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nope
Posted by: Admirale's Mate at December 09, 2021 11:04 AM (l/jE1)
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The Wall Street cabal feels like it has ultimate power, and cannot afford to make worthwhile concessions. Merely having legitimate elections would not only end the post-Biden democrats, but likely cause major deep state players and executives to face prison or worse. They're not just against Trump: they're against anyone who would defend the American worker and stand up to the cabal.
Thank you for confirming that Donald Trump is the only viable choice for 2024.
Thank you for confirming that Donald Trump is the only viable choice for 2024.
Posted by: trev006 at December 09, 2021 11:04 AM (Eqkqm)
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I freeze my poop and eat it like a popsicle.
Posted by: Kurt at December 09, 2021 11:04 AM (e2xc1)
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We really do need better trolls. This one is just phoning it in.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 09, 2021 11:06 AM (m+jkK)
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Regardless of who wins in 2024, there will be no reconciliation. I have no interest in compromising with those who want me enslaved or dead.
Posted by: butch at December 09, 2021 11:06 AM (cHvOo)
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There's a third option:
WAR
The Left will never back down. They must be utterly defeated in battle and chased back into their densely packed cities, then cutoff, then starved.
There will NEVER again be a united states.
Our side needs to understand this before it is too late.
There's a third option:
WAR
The Left will never back down. They must be utterly defeated in battle and chased back into their densely packed cities, then cutoff, then starved.
There will NEVER again be a united states.
Our side needs to understand this before it is too late.
Posted by: Sapwolf at December 09, 2021 11:06 AM (etPhZ)
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Leaders run toward battle.
Posted by: goatexchange at December 09, 2021 11:06 AM (APPN8)
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It won't matter who we make the candidate. They will be attacked and vilified, even if the press has to make things up out of whole cloth.
Look at the freaking piss dossier that they spent four years trying to turn into A Thing.
The enemy lies.
Your criticisms of Trump's fumbles are valid, but the idea that he'll be any more of a magnet for attacks than anyone else we put up is not.
Our enemies are lying, gaslighting scum, and they're playing for keeps.
Look at the freaking piss dossier that they spent four years trying to turn into A Thing.
The enemy lies.
Your criticisms of Trump's fumbles are valid, but the idea that he'll be any more of a magnet for attacks than anyone else we put up is not.
Our enemies are lying, gaslighting scum, and they're playing for keeps.
Posted by: Cato, Post-Apocalyptic Scourge of the Seas at December 09, 2021 11:06 AM (Msrhc)
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But everyone has to admit Trump was the first with no government experience. I would give him a chance again now he knows what is up against him.
Trump 2024
Trump 2024
Posted by: Skip's Phone at December 09, 2021 11:07 AM (tDjbJ)
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Which sounds better: four more years of fighting, or a position as the white knight who did what was best for America and led us back to American Exceptionalism being more than a throwaway phrase?
Posted by: CBD at 11:00 AM
I dunno, CBD. I think at this point, this is going to happen to ANY strong R candidate.
Posted by: CBD at 11:00 AM
I dunno, CBD. I think at this point, this is going to happen to ANY strong R candidate.
Posted by: Jordan61 at December 09, 2021 11:07 AM (Ez6QX)
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Anyone who thinks the swamp will treat any GOOD republican any different than they do Trump is a damn fool.
Posted by: irright at December 09, 2021 11:07 AM (8rX4S)
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Be our Soros Senor Trump!!
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 09, 2021 11:07 AM (OalnH)
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And even setting aside the idea that elite Republicans want to adopt the Trump agenda instead of warmed-over Bushism, no one can bring in the working class the way Trump has. I don't have to ask if Ron DeSantis, who enjoys many other advantages politically, can routinely headline crowds tens of thousands strong. That's the kind of charisma reserved for men with once in a generation gifts. Donald Trump developed them: DeSantis likely won't.
Posted by: trev006 at December 09, 2021 11:07 AM (Eqkqm)
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I think Trump the Puppet Master might be better than or equivalent to Trump the President. That said, I don't think either will work. I'd try either in the hopes of buying a bit more time, but I no longer have any illusions regarding fixability.
The presidency is a false prize since the deep state will do whatever the hell it wants to, just like last time. Trump's term demonstrated that there are no limits to the corruption and craven power games in Washington. The central government is irreparable and outside the scope of reform. We may be able to buy time, however, and that is not worthless. And if it doesn't work and we get nothing, we're in the same situation regardless. There's no real downside.
The presidency is a false prize since the deep state will do whatever the hell it wants to, just like last time. Trump's term demonstrated that there are no limits to the corruption and craven power games in Washington. The central government is irreparable and outside the scope of reform. We may be able to buy time, however, and that is not worthless. And if it doesn't work and we get nothing, we're in the same situation regardless. There's no real downside.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2021 11:07 AM (DU+/6)
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They'll impeach him the moment he announces. They'll impeach him the moment he wins. They'll impeach him a dozen more times if he makes it four years.
How many times would the NeverTrump-infested Senate hold.
How many times would the NeverTrump-infested Senate hold.
Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 09, 2021 11:08 AM (Bmy3R)
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"The Cold Peace" -- I like it. James Blish used that phrase in his adaptation of "Miri" from Trek. Though maybe it was something the original writer had come up with -- or maybe it was something Blish borrowed from his own works.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at December 09, 2021 11:08 AM (txdEq)
Posted by: Sapwolf at December 09, 2021 11:08 AM (etPhZ)
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Dunce is awake.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 09, 2021 11:08 AM (DgLeA)
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Skeptical that any other Republican candidate would get 70m+ votes.
Furthermore, let's say we get Russian collusion 2, electric boogaloo. Keeping in mind there's nothing that prevents the Ds from executing that as a strategy. Presumably rape and/or sexual assault allegations are baked into the cake as well. Typically the Rs fold pretty hard in the face of that.
Furthermore, let's say we get Russian collusion 2, electric boogaloo. Keeping in mind there's nothing that prevents the Ds from executing that as a strategy. Presumably rape and/or sexual assault allegations are baked into the cake as well. Typically the Rs fold pretty hard in the face of that.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at December 09, 2021 11:08 AM (z5Vrg)
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You were stymied and blocked at every turn
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By your inability to understand what is important and consequential and what isn't.
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By your inability to understand what is important and consequential and what isn't.
Posted by: runner at December 09, 2021 11:08 AM (faqzI)
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Ok....I'll try and change your mind...let's run Miss Lindsey!
Posted by: BignJames at December 09, 2021 11:08 AM (AwYPR)
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While you make good points CBD, here's the biggest problem.
We know we can trust Trump to do what he said he do to the best of his ability. We have a lot, a lot of a-holes on our side who talk a good game, but completely go the opposite direction their voters want once in office.
Hopefully, Trump has been building a shadow cabinet at this moment and has learned who he cannot trust.
We know we can trust Trump to do what he said he do to the best of his ability. We have a lot, a lot of a-holes on our side who talk a good game, but completely go the opposite direction their voters want once in office.
Hopefully, Trump has been building a shadow cabinet at this moment and has learned who he cannot trust.
Posted by: naturalfake at December 09, 2021 11:08 AM (5NkmN)
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There's truth to this. He is polarizing. He was naïve.
But what bothers me is that it accepts the injustice done to him. Symbolically he has to be restored to the presidency. Whether or not its the right move politically, its the moral thing. Because at this point, we need to be going for full on revenge and nothing less. This is why I'm certain, barring health reasons, or being thrown in jail, Trump will run. He wants redemption, restoration, and revenge. And he will have it.
But what bothers me is that it accepts the injustice done to him. Symbolically he has to be restored to the presidency. Whether or not its the right move politically, its the moral thing. Because at this point, we need to be going for full on revenge and nothing less. This is why I'm certain, barring health reasons, or being thrown in jail, Trump will run. He wants redemption, restoration, and revenge. And he will have it.
Posted by: Iblis at December 09, 2021 11:08 AM (g6c4t)
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my floor crew is LOUD. thank god I don't have any meetings going on...
Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at December 09, 2021 11:09 AM (8D42x)
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I don't care DJT isn't having a good wine with that steak either. He isn't picking our dinner menu he is just in charge of the country.
Posted by: Skip's Phone at December 09, 2021 11:09 AM (tDjbJ)
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Yeah, this is a tough call. The R's are pretty much worthless on the own and aren't going to do what's needed. Which is the complete eradication of leftist influence from the entire country. Not really sure Trump is up to that too, but he seems to be the closest we have.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 09, 2021 11:09 AM (UuD2k)
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FIRST!!!!!
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Jackson Sparks at December 09, 2021 11:09 AM (Zz0t1)
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The left will do everything in their power to make sure Trump is unable to run in '24 if that's what he decides. The political establishment, the media, Big Tech will all be onboard to stop not just a Trump run, but any Republican.
Elections and voting are no longer meaningful ways to go about affecting change.
Elections and voting are no longer meaningful ways to go about affecting change.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 09, 2021 11:10 AM (BFigT)
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While I agree with your thought process in theory (i.e., that Trump wasn't good at the inside baseball part of politics to get his agenda enacted), in practice it fails.
Who else in the GOP would you actually trust to pursue the Trump agenda as President that has any chance at winning the nomination? No - not Rubio. I don't even trust Ted Cruz for more than mouth service to actual conservative policy. I certainly wouldn't trust Cruz on the issue of illegal immigration and the border.
The thing is - Trump exposed the entirety of the GOP as being anti-conservative. Sure, there are a few (very few) good eggs still. But none have the charisma, name recognition, or ability to win the GOP primary and the general election.
If Trump follow your advice we'll end up with someone like Mitt Romney as the GOP nominee and any work toward re-building the GOP into an actual conservative party will be completely dismantled if someone like Romney wins the WH. It doesn't matter how many congressmen and Senators Trump helps get elected, they will do what every "true conservative" does once elected - and that is be co-opted by the GOP machine, which is rabidly anti-conservative.
Who else in the GOP would you actually trust to pursue the Trump agenda as President that has any chance at winning the nomination? No - not Rubio. I don't even trust Ted Cruz for more than mouth service to actual conservative policy. I certainly wouldn't trust Cruz on the issue of illegal immigration and the border.
The thing is - Trump exposed the entirety of the GOP as being anti-conservative. Sure, there are a few (very few) good eggs still. But none have the charisma, name recognition, or ability to win the GOP primary and the general election.
If Trump follow your advice we'll end up with someone like Mitt Romney as the GOP nominee and any work toward re-building the GOP into an actual conservative party will be completely dismantled if someone like Romney wins the WH. It doesn't matter how many congressmen and Senators Trump helps get elected, they will do what every "true conservative" does once elected - and that is be co-opted by the GOP machine, which is rabidly anti-conservative.
Posted by: Mehive at December 09, 2021 11:10 AM (ky+MF)
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Given the New World Order agenda, Trump looks like the only one who is a danger to it, and thus the only viable candidate.
These are not normal times, CBD.
Of course he would be the focus of Dem ire and lies. Ire and lies are the only thing The Ilk has.
These are not normal times, CBD.
Of course he would be the focus of Dem ire and lies. Ire and lies are the only thing The Ilk has.
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at December 09, 2021 11:10 AM (Mzdiz)
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They will fight for you; they will vote for your candidates; they will support your reimagining the Republican party, and they will follow your lead in dismantling the "China-First" attitudes of much of the elite class in America.
Serious question:
If the cabinet that he chose (with help from, ultimately, a self-seeking group of parasites) wouldn't carry out his intentions while he was the President, what good would it do for him picking candidates that mouth all the right things in election season and then are at the very mercy of the same group of parasites?
I agree with the general premise. If Trump runs, we'd all but signal to the Democrats that we have absolutely no one on our side, and if they (the Communists) just give one more push, they'd have complete and total victory.
We need to show that our strength lies in more than just Trump. We need to show that we have leaders who are capable of learning the same lessons that Trump did, but are younger and willing to be more ferocious. We must fight the long war.
Serious question:
If the cabinet that he chose (with help from, ultimately, a self-seeking group of parasites) wouldn't carry out his intentions while he was the President, what good would it do for him picking candidates that mouth all the right things in election season and then are at the very mercy of the same group of parasites?
I agree with the general premise. If Trump runs, we'd all but signal to the Democrats that we have absolutely no one on our side, and if they (the Communists) just give one more push, they'd have complete and total victory.
We need to show that our strength lies in more than just Trump. We need to show that we have leaders who are capable of learning the same lessons that Trump did, but are younger and willing to be more ferocious. We must fight the long war.
Posted by: Homer's Donuts at December 09, 2021 11:10 AM (BCSAN)
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Agreed, CBD.
But I was saying this months ago. I said this right after the stolen election. He cannot "win." They will never allow it.
Pudding head for 81 million votes? Horse shit.
PDT will not be allowed to win no matter what.
But I was saying this months ago. I said this right after the stolen election. He cannot "win." They will never allow it.
Pudding head for 81 million votes? Horse shit.
PDT will not be allowed to win no matter what.
Posted by: nurse ratched at December 09, 2021 11:10 AM (3aJzV)
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The central government is irreparable and outside the scope of reform. We may be able to buy time, however, and that is not worthless. And if it doesn't work and we get nothing, we're in the same situation regardless. There's no real downside.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2021 11:07 AM (DU+/6)
I'm not sure this is true. I doubt the world can survive another year of Joe Biden as a puppet of China and Bloomberg. Asking to survive until 2024 will be harder, particularly when the Congressional GOP will mostly be about pleasing their donors instead of their voters.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2021 11:07 AM (DU+/6)
I'm not sure this is true. I doubt the world can survive another year of Joe Biden as a puppet of China and Bloomberg. Asking to survive until 2024 will be harder, particularly when the Congressional GOP will mostly be about pleasing their donors instead of their voters.
Posted by: trev006 at December 09, 2021 11:10 AM (Eqkqm)
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I think a decades worth of fighting is ahead of us no matter who ends up running things - the days of "unity" are long past us, and no one can bring them back.
but I will continue to refrain from any 2024 predictions, because I think so much shit is going to happen between now and then that the political landscape will be completely unrecognizable.
as I have said before, a whole flock of Black Swans are about to take flight.
but I will continue to refrain from any 2024 predictions, because I think so much shit is going to happen between now and then that the political landscape will be completely unrecognizable.
as I have said before, a whole flock of Black Swans are about to take flight.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 09, 2021 11:10 AM (trdmm)
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Someone got to the monkey.
Posted by: t-bird at December 09, 2021 11:10 AM (oBAbT)
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He's be a lame duck from the moment of his opponent's concession speech. Trump's candidacy possible, but not advised.
Posted by: Count de Monet at December 09, 2021 11:11 AM (4I/2K)
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Our side needs to understand this before it is too late.
Posted by: Sapwolf at December 09, 2021 11:06 AM (etPhZ)
That is a terrible thing to say.
Posted by: Sapwolf at December 09, 2021 11:06 AM (etPhZ)
That is a terrible thing to say.
Posted by: flounder at December 09, 2021 11:11 AM (SH2Zi)
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Chris "Mr. Reagan" Kohls' video on the Patriot Front is both fascinating and head-scratching. Kohls and a former FBI agent both conclude that it's probably not an FBI false flag op. But it's definitely an op of some sort.
Curiouser and curiouser.
https://tinyurl.com/5dw4zvx5
Curiouser and curiouser.
https://tinyurl.com/5dw4zvx5
Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 09, 2021 11:11 AM (Bmy3R)
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My reason for him not to run is the cost to his family, his marriage and his health. He may be in better health then the rutabaga but at his age running and governing with the world against him will take it's toll. DeSantis and Manchin (bipartisan ticket) for Pres and VP or DeSantis and Rand Paul. PDT as chief of staff.
Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at December 09, 2021 11:11 AM (2NHgQ)
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I would also be right behind Trump/ DeSantis for instance
Posted by: Skip's Phone at December 09, 2021 11:11 AM (tDjbJ)
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We still need DeSantis in FL. We need FL to win any election. So who is willing to step up to the plate for prez that fits all our requirements.
Hey! I know! Mitt Romney!
Hey! I know! Mitt Romney!
Posted by: I'm The Other White Meat at December 09, 2021 11:11 AM (Fs5vw)
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I'm in CBD's camp for some of his reasons as well as for some others.
Posted by: WisRich at December 09, 2021 11:11 AM (G0vdT)
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You think ANY Republican president won't get the same treatment. If there's ever a Republican president again, it will be the same 4 years of fighting and the media will turn him/her into a polarizing figure.
Posted by: InCali at December 09, 2021 11:12 AM (ov5G+)
Posted by: But but but we need someone with more Couth at December 09, 2021 11:12 AM (ghsOg)
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If Trump is not willing to call up militia and go to war when they STEAL the election AGAIN, it's over.
Over.
He does not understand that he has a DUTY to go to war when they steal the election. That's a full CW2.
He is not that selfless or courageous.
If Trump is not willing to call up militia and go to war when they STEAL the election AGAIN, it's over.
Over.
He does not understand that he has a DUTY to go to war when they steal the election. That's a full CW2.
He is not that selfless or courageous.
Posted by: Sapwolf at December 09, 2021 11:12 AM (etPhZ)
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There's only going to be two options Trump or DeSantis. I don't even know why anyone else would delude themselves into thinking they would any chance.
Posted by: lowandslow at December 09, 2021 11:12 AM (4thlk)
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Shoud/if Trump runs again, I hope his hiring decisions are better the 2nd time around. Who ever he received advice from on those hiring decisions should be banished to a remote outpost in Alaska.
And if it comes to pass, I hope he treats his second term as nothing short of "The Fuckening" of the left and any traitors on the right. Not only payback against them, but their family, their family business relationships - the whole nine yards.
And if it comes to pass, I hope he treats his second term as nothing short of "The Fuckening" of the left and any traitors on the right. Not only payback against them, but their family, their family business relationships - the whole nine yards.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 09, 2021 11:13 AM (N39Ws)
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I'm not sure this is true. I doubt the world can survive another year of Joe Biden as a puppet of China and Bloomberg. Asking to survive until 2024 will be harder, particularly when the Congressional GOP will mostly be about pleasing their donors instead of their voters.
Posted by: trev006 at December 09, 2021 11:10 AM (Eqkqm)
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None of this relevant until 2024 anyway. And I meant there's no downside to trying to stave off collapse for another term by retreading Trump or trying to build a cabal around him to go achieve the agenda. But making that bet or any other reform-type bet is not a victory strategy, it's a time-buying exercise. The government is beyond reform now. It will persist until it collapses and is replaced. It might suffer a setback or two - and another Trumpist term (Trump himself or otherwise) will be a setback - but it's in place until it dies.
Posted by: trev006 at December 09, 2021 11:10 AM (Eqkqm)
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None of this relevant until 2024 anyway. And I meant there's no downside to trying to stave off collapse for another term by retreading Trump or trying to build a cabal around him to go achieve the agenda. But making that bet or any other reform-type bet is not a victory strategy, it's a time-buying exercise. The government is beyond reform now. It will persist until it collapses and is replaced. It might suffer a setback or two - and another Trumpist term (Trump himself or otherwise) will be a setback - but it's in place until it dies.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2021 11:13 AM (DU+/6)
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you are an incredibly polarizing figure
There is no one who will govern as a conservative who will not be framed as being just as polarizing as Trump. Conservatives are incredibly naive if they think DeSantis, for example, would not be treated the same. Our enemies, which include virtually every institution at this point are actively promoting such things as turning your boys into girls (literally), no Southern border, and white genocide. They hate you, and whomever represents you in office is never going to be "divisive."
There is no one who will govern as a conservative who will not be framed as being just as polarizing as Trump. Conservatives are incredibly naive if they think DeSantis, for example, would not be treated the same. Our enemies, which include virtually every institution at this point are actively promoting such things as turning your boys into girls (literally), no Southern border, and white genocide. They hate you, and whomever represents you in office is never going to be "divisive."
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at December 09, 2021 11:13 AM (QU5/8)
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Which sounds better: four more years of fighting, or a position as the white knight who did what was best for America and led us back to American Exceptionalism being more than a throwaway phrase?
Posted by: CBD at 11:00 AM
I think it will all be determined in 2022. If the elections aren't incredibly rigged and the R's take the majorities in the H and S, he'll run.
IF they have control of both houses and Trump is reelected, things will be dramatically different. Plus, I think he'll fire everyone on day one as he should've on day one last time.
Posted by: CBD at 11:00 AM
I think it will all be determined in 2022. If the elections aren't incredibly rigged and the R's take the majorities in the H and S, he'll run.
IF they have control of both houses and Trump is reelected, things will be dramatically different. Plus, I think he'll fire everyone on day one as he should've on day one last time.
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Jackson Sparks at December 09, 2021 11:13 AM (Zz0t1)
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Trump's problems do not sit with the Dems, it Is with some Republicans that still wield massive power.
Posted by: runner at December 09, 2021 11:13 AM (faqzI)
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35 Symbolically he has to be restored to the presidency.
Thought a lot about this aspect myself. This is an important point to consider when formulating an opinion on this matter.
Thought a lot about this aspect myself. This is an important point to consider when formulating an opinion on this matter.
Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 09, 2021 11:13 AM (Bmy3R)
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Nice to have an official rant on this.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at December 09, 2021 11:13 AM (wAnMi)
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Seriously? Trump supports a candidate and folks here complain that it's another RINO. And maybe they are sometimes, but you do the best you can. Yes, there were missteps and that's typical in the first term of office. That's why the second term is better.
Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at December 09, 2021 11:13 AM (5HBd1)
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PDT will not be allowed to win no matter what.
Posted by: nurse ratched at December 09, 2021 11:10 AM (3aJzV)
You'd think so, but Trump seems unbothered. If anything, I'd compare his composure to Saddam Hussein as he was dragged to the hangman.
Trump remains the best option for most of America's elite to preserve some vestige of their power and influence, even if they don't know it yet.
Posted by: nurse ratched at December 09, 2021 11:10 AM (3aJzV)
You'd think so, but Trump seems unbothered. If anything, I'd compare his composure to Saddam Hussein as he was dragged to the hangman.
Trump remains the best option for most of America's elite to preserve some vestige of their power and influence, even if they don't know it yet.
Posted by: trev006 at December 09, 2021 11:14 AM (Eqkqm)
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With respect... the polarizing figure point.
If it's not Trump they will pick the next one.
The opposition is ALWAYS polarizing.
Yes they kicked it up a notch with Trump, is it because he is particularly divisive or because he didn't sit there and take it?
I'd also add a large portion of the credentialed republican class supported the Progs against Trump. Will another effective politico find favor with them? Key word being effective.
Just my two cents.. if he gets the nomination, he's my guy. If he doesn't run or doesn't get the nom then hope the next person up can get it done.
If it's not Trump they will pick the next one.
The opposition is ALWAYS polarizing.
Yes they kicked it up a notch with Trump, is it because he is particularly divisive or because he didn't sit there and take it?
I'd also add a large portion of the credentialed republican class supported the Progs against Trump. Will another effective politico find favor with them? Key word being effective.
Just my two cents.. if he gets the nomination, he's my guy. If he doesn't run or doesn't get the nom then hope the next person up can get it done.
Posted by: Inogame X-State Lines at December 09, 2021 11:14 AM (53oGX)
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There's only going to be two options Trump or DeSantis. I don't even know why anyone else would delude themselves into thinking they would any chance.
Posted by: lowandslow at December 09, 2021 11:12 AM (4thlk)
That's what YOU think......
- Delecto / Clap 2024
Posted by: lowandslow at December 09, 2021 11:12 AM (4thlk)
That's what YOU think......
- Delecto / Clap 2024
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Jackson Sparks at December 09, 2021 11:14 AM (Zz0t1)
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I think at this point, this is going to happen to ANY strong R candidate.
Posted by: Jordan61 at December 09, 2021 11:07 AM (Ez6QX)
Absolutely. But only Trump has the power to energize the Democrats.
Posted by: Jordan61 at December 09, 2021 11:07 AM (Ez6QX)
Absolutely. But only Trump has the power to energize the Democrats.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2021 11:14 AM (Q9lwr)
69
We better have a Plan B.
People in their late 70's are in the Death Zone.
I want a 40's to 60's conservative who can deliver. They too will be pilloried by RINO's fakers grifters and commies so they need to have a thick skin. But Trump got the swamp critters visible. We need to rid Washington if the critters now.
People in their late 70's are in the Death Zone.
I want a 40's to 60's conservative who can deliver. They too will be pilloried by RINO's fakers grifters and commies so they need to have a thick skin. But Trump got the swamp critters visible. We need to rid Washington if the critters now.
Posted by: torabora at December 09, 2021 11:14 AM (U0p6D)
70
The media seems to have convinced some of you that this is about Trump. Open your damned eyes. It's about ANYONE who dares to actually do want we want.
Posted by: irright at December 09, 2021 11:14 AM (8rX4S)
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Think of this, he was trashing deSantis not too long ago. What does that tell you? About Trump. Not cool, man. Not cool.
Posted by: runner at December 09, 2021 11:14 AM (faqzI)
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Posted by: Sapwolf at December 09, 2021 11:06 AM (etPhZ)
Or just keep hammering the psychological warfare. The memes, the sarcasm, the humor, and the defiance.
The Left has a pathological need to be seen as the smartest people in the room, benevolent saviors of mankind from itself, etc. The more you trash those pretensions, the more they start breaking down.
People are starting to realize that the Emperor has no clothes. The Biden era has been an unmitigated disaster. The damage can't be hidden.
Be the kid. Point and laugh, not just at him, but all of the idiots who followed him - the pretend-adults who were, until a few moments ago, applauding an old naked man prancing down the streets.
Or just keep hammering the psychological warfare. The memes, the sarcasm, the humor, and the defiance.
The Left has a pathological need to be seen as the smartest people in the room, benevolent saviors of mankind from itself, etc. The more you trash those pretensions, the more they start breaking down.
People are starting to realize that the Emperor has no clothes. The Biden era has been an unmitigated disaster. The damage can't be hidden.
Be the kid. Point and laugh, not just at him, but all of the idiots who followed him - the pretend-adults who were, until a few moments ago, applauding an old naked man prancing down the streets.
Posted by: Cato, Post-Apocalyptic Scourge of the Seas at December 09, 2021 11:14 AM (Msrhc)
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We should have learned from 2 decades That we wont get peace regardless of who we run or what we do , so why should we ever again capitulate to the left ?
Posted by: LASue at December 09, 2021 11:15 AM (Ed8Zd)
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you are an incredibly polarizing figure
Good. Someone who isn't "polarizing" is someone who is acceptable to the Left.
Good. Someone who isn't "polarizing" is someone who is acceptable to the Left.
Posted by: t-bird at December 09, 2021 11:15 AM (oBAbT)
75
Egg McMuffin is poached, rested and ready!
Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 09, 2021 11:15 AM (Bmy3R)
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"Unless we start shootin', I'm not sure I care anymore."
I could get on this platform. It's gonna happen sooner or later. PDT won't even be allowed to get close now, they know what is at stake for them.
I could get on this platform. It's gonna happen sooner or later. PDT won't even be allowed to get close now, they know what is at stake for them.
Posted by: IP at December 09, 2021 11:15 AM (SDdI7)
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79 Good morning!
Let's smile & be happy & strike fear in the hearts of killjoy leftists everywhere.
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at December 09, 2021 06:21 AM (u82oZ)
Thank you! Excellent reminder for me.
Also, thanks, Pixy, for the tech thread. I understand about 10% but I enjoy perusing. I've been working at home for 15 years, and I am burned out.
Let's smile & be happy & strike fear in the hearts of killjoy leftists everywhere.
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at December 09, 2021 06:21 AM (u82oZ)
Thank you! Excellent reminder for me.
Also, thanks, Pixy, for the tech thread. I understand about 10% but I enjoy perusing. I've been working at home for 15 years, and I am burned out.
Posted by: BarcelonaCarmen at December 09, 2021 11:15 AM (+CiEK)
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Absolutely. But only Trump has the power to energize the Democrats.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2021 11:14 AM -
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Complete unadulterated bullshit.
Absolutely. But only Trump has the power to energize the Democrats.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2021 11:14 AM -
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Complete unadulterated bullshit.
Posted by: irright at December 09, 2021 11:15 AM (8rX4S)
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If Trump runs he will be a lame duck from day one. He needs to put his ego aside and let desantis have a go at brandon.
Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at December 09, 2021 11:15 AM (bVYXr)
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DeSantis will be halfway through his second term in 2024, and will be term limited. It would make absolute sense for him to run for President in 2024. As a Florida resident, everything I see tells me he is the real deal. He also was the anti-establishment candidate in the Republican primaries when he first ran.
Posted by: Tofer732 at December 09, 2021 11:15 AM (GcxM3)
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Even though the left called him a Nazi 24/7, he still thought he could make deals with Dems. In a sense he was stuck in the 80s/90s when Reps and Dems may have been at each others' throats, but at the end of the day they went out and had a beer after the work day was done.
That world doesn't exist anymore. They want us dead. Literally they want us gone from the planet. You can't negotiate with them. And Trump never quite understood that.
DeSantis does understand it. He's young enough to have grown up politically in the new reality. Which is why I'm on Team DeSantis 2024.
That world doesn't exist anymore. They want us dead. Literally they want us gone from the planet. You can't negotiate with them. And Trump never quite understood that.
DeSantis does understand it. He's young enough to have grown up politically in the new reality. Which is why I'm on Team DeSantis 2024.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 09, 2021 11:15 AM (OalnH)
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"Which sounds better: four more years of fighting, or a position as the white knight who did what was best for America and led us back to American Exceptionalism being more than a throwaway phrase?"
I'm kind of embracing the power of 'and' here. As long as the incrementalistic Left exists, we will always have the pressure to change. Because of this, the fight is going to be an interminable one. We need to reset the GOP as the 'Party of No', not the 'Party of Bipartisan Compromise, Where We Play the Part of 'Bi' and the Democrats Play the Part of 'Partisan'.' Heavy D is going to face the same problem that Trump does; lack of bodies to go up against the Uniparty. Unless we want to wait a few years to get those people trained up to fight the Deep State, this won't happen. We need someone to bring attention to the rot in government, and who better than the guy they weaponized government against, but who's still standing. Like I said yesterday, while I think that DeSantis can do that, I know that Trump did that already. If this Republic is going down in flames, I want America to make a straight-up choice to do so. If the electorate doesn't choose to live, it deserves to die.
I'm kind of embracing the power of 'and' here. As long as the incrementalistic Left exists, we will always have the pressure to change. Because of this, the fight is going to be an interminable one. We need to reset the GOP as the 'Party of No', not the 'Party of Bipartisan Compromise, Where We Play the Part of 'Bi' and the Democrats Play the Part of 'Partisan'.' Heavy D is going to face the same problem that Trump does; lack of bodies to go up against the Uniparty. Unless we want to wait a few years to get those people trained up to fight the Deep State, this won't happen. We need someone to bring attention to the rot in government, and who better than the guy they weaponized government against, but who's still standing. Like I said yesterday, while I think that DeSantis can do that, I know that Trump did that already. If this Republic is going down in flames, I want America to make a straight-up choice to do so. If the electorate doesn't choose to live, it deserves to die.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at December 09, 2021 11:15 AM (C61w6)
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President DeSantos.
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid. at December 09, 2021 11:15 AM (n/szn)
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There is only one question you have to ask yourself, or you will wind up with a Bush III or worse.
"Who else has enough Fuck You money that they can run a campaign WITHOUT being beholden to very large campaign donors?"
Because until you can answer that question, you will keep getting those candidates that are bought and paid for. Be it a Bush, Dole, Shrub, McCain, Romney, etc.
"Who else has enough Fuck You money that they can run a campaign WITHOUT being beholden to very large campaign donors?"
Because until you can answer that question, you will keep getting those candidates that are bought and paid for. Be it a Bush, Dole, Shrub, McCain, Romney, etc.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2021 11:16 AM (cQZxO)
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100% agreed!
Posted by: Mike at December 09, 2021 11:16 AM (WzKsb)
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68 I think at this point, this is going to happen to ANY strong R candidate.
Posted by: Jordan61 at December 09, 2021 11:07 AM (Ez6QX)
Absolutely. But only Trump has the power to energize the Democrats.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2021 11:14 AM (Q9lwr)
If boring old Roy Moore can "energize" the Democrats to have Alabama send a D senator than anybody can. The main reason the focus was more on the opponent than the D candidate is the incredible lack of charisma of Clinton and Biden. Assuming Biden runs again, the primary focus will still be on his opponent.
Posted by: Jordan61 at December 09, 2021 11:07 AM (Ez6QX)
Absolutely. But only Trump has the power to energize the Democrats.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2021 11:14 AM (Q9lwr)
If boring old Roy Moore can "energize" the Democrats to have Alabama send a D senator than anybody can. The main reason the focus was more on the opponent than the D candidate is the incredible lack of charisma of Clinton and Biden. Assuming Biden runs again, the primary focus will still be on his opponent.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at December 09, 2021 11:16 AM (z5Vrg)
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Trump would also more likely have a better king making effect as a candidate flying into areas where he/we need to knock off a sitting Republican't.
Kingmaker and President is not a bad combo to renovate the party and restore America.
Trump would also more likely have a better king making effect as a candidate flying into areas where he/we need to knock off a sitting Republican't.
Kingmaker and President is not a bad combo to renovate the party and restore America.
Posted by: naturalfake at December 09, 2021 11:16 AM (5NkmN)
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We need to show that our strength lies in more than just Trump. We need to show that we have leaders who are capable of learning the same lessons that Trump did, but are younger and willing to be more ferocious. We must fight the long war.
Posted by: Homer's Donuts at December 09, 2021 11:10 AM (BCSAN
So, who? Name some names. As I said, DeSantis needs to stay in FL for now. It's critical that he does. So who's on first? I really want to know.
Posted by: Homer's Donuts at December 09, 2021 11:10 AM (BCSAN
So, who? Name some names. As I said, DeSantis needs to stay in FL for now. It's critical that he does. So who's on first? I really want to know.
Posted by: I'm The Other White Meat at December 09, 2021 11:16 AM (Fs5vw)
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(Ez6QX)
Absolutely. But only Trump has the power to energize the Democrats.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2021 11:14 AM (Q9lwr)
Theyll be plenty energized when their ability to sacrifice babies at will is threatened.
Absolutely. But only Trump has the power to energize the Democrats.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2021 11:14 AM (Q9lwr)
Theyll be plenty energized when their ability to sacrifice babies at will is threatened.
Posted by: LASue at December 09, 2021 11:17 AM (Ed8Zd)
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The left will treat every Republican as Hitler. The difference with Trump was 1/2 of the GOP also treated him like Hitler. And when 1/2 your party is against you, it is impossible to win and/or get anything done.
That is the reality of Trump. And it will not be any different the second time around.
That is the reality of Trump. And it will not be any different the second time around.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 09, 2021 11:17 AM (OalnH)
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At least there have been some efforts to recruit possible office holders for the multitude of political federal worker slots. Trump didn't have much help doing this last time (made worse by Chris Christi's transition errors).
I would also work to fashion a few dozen EOs to be signed the afternoon of Jan 20, 2025.
I would also work to fashion a few dozen EOs to be signed the afternoon of Jan 20, 2025.
Posted by: SMOD at December 09, 2021 11:18 AM (RHGPo)
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None of this relevant until 2024 anyway.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2021 11:13 AM (DU+/6)
That's not true, mainly because Joe Biden is in thr worst position of any Democrat leader of the modern era. Donald Trump will be doing his best to push Republicans to victory in the midterms. The Frums and Kristols shrieking for Trump to shut up isn't a coincidence: they want to take credit for the upcoming victory and marginalize MAGA. This strategy actually worked against Reagan, and it's why Trump must not give in.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2021 11:13 AM (DU+/6)
That's not true, mainly because Joe Biden is in thr worst position of any Democrat leader of the modern era. Donald Trump will be doing his best to push Republicans to victory in the midterms. The Frums and Kristols shrieking for Trump to shut up isn't a coincidence: they want to take credit for the upcoming victory and marginalize MAGA. This strategy actually worked against Reagan, and it's why Trump must not give in.
Posted by: trev006 at December 09, 2021 11:18 AM (Eqkqm)
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Look around. There is no peaceful solution to this.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 09, 2021 11:18 AM (DgLeA)
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As has been pointed out, Heavy D will be halfway through his second term and term limited from running again.
Not taking sides on Trump vs. DeSantis, but the whole "We need DeSantis in FL" thing doesn't make sense to me.
Not taking sides on Trump vs. DeSantis, but the whole "We need DeSantis in FL" thing doesn't make sense to me.
Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 09, 2021 11:18 AM (Bmy3R)
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Someone got to the monkey.
Posted by: t-bird at December 09, 2021 11:10 AM (oBAbT)
I hope this is tongue-in-cheek.
Posted by: t-bird at December 09, 2021 11:10 AM (oBAbT)
I hope this is tongue-in-cheek.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2021 11:18 AM (Q9lwr)
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Trump/De Santis would be fine.
I've seen nothing to convince me that DeSantis has the power to draw votes and people nor has the power on the stump that Trump has.
But, he can learn that while in office as VP.
I've seen nothing to convince me that DeSantis has the power to draw votes and people nor has the power on the stump that Trump has.
But, he can learn that while in office as VP.
Posted by: naturalfake at December 09, 2021 11:19 AM (5NkmN)
Posted by: runner at December 09, 2021 11:19 AM (faqzI)
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But only Trump has the power to energize the Democrats.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2021 11:14 AM -
Democrats are self energizing. Every R candidate has to be worst than the last to keep them going.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2021 11:14 AM -
Democrats are self energizing. Every R candidate has to be worst than the last to keep them going.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 09, 2021 11:19 AM (Y5qcH)
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Any non-Dem candidate will be attacked viciously and they're going to steal elections anyway. 2018 was the test run (Fontes in AZ proved it could be done without major pushback) and 2020 was the culmination of the open cheat.
Posted by: soulpile at December 09, 2021 11:19 AM (hiX0r)
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I would love to see a pragmatic, strong, smart, outspoken guy like DeSantis lead the party. As much as I grew to love Trump, the reactionary democrats (aka, all democrats) will immediately put their fingers in their ears whenever he speaks.
Trump could be very good at fulfilling a role similar to that of Rush Limbaugh (God bless him). The messenger, clarifier, bullshit detector for the party. Similarly, Rush would have been an awful candidate and missed out on his calling had he ever run for office.
Also, I think a DeSantis would be less likely to appoint damaged or misleading political operatives to positions of importance and Trump did in his naiveté of DC politics.
Trump could be very good at fulfilling a role similar to that of Rush Limbaugh (God bless him). The messenger, clarifier, bullshit detector for the party. Similarly, Rush would have been an awful candidate and missed out on his calling had he ever run for office.
Also, I think a DeSantis would be less likely to appoint damaged or misleading political operatives to positions of importance and Trump did in his naiveté of DC politics.
Posted by: red speck at December 09, 2021 11:19 AM (gS3OW)
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C'mon CBD you know better than than saying Trump will energize the Democrats. The Democrats will demonize any true conservative. Look at DeathSantos derangement syndrome. The Dems don't hate Trump, they hate America and anyone who supports her.
Posted by: Hedley Lamarr at December 09, 2021 11:19 AM (tDAwn)
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Willowed...
Here ya go banana Dream
Hot buttered Rum of Diogenes
1/2 lb of butter
1/2 lb of brown sugar
1/2 pound of confectioners sugar
1 QT of vanilla ice cream, softened
1/2 tablespoon cinnamon
Some nutmeg.
Soften butter, mix with sugars and add the ice cream and spices.
Place into container and freeze.
To serve, place a generous dollop into a mug, add an even more generous ration of rum (brandy works well too) and add hot water. Stir. Sprinkle a smidge of nutmeg on top and serve.
Here ya go banana Dream
Hot buttered Rum of Diogenes
1/2 lb of butter
1/2 lb of brown sugar
1/2 pound of confectioners sugar
1 QT of vanilla ice cream, softened
1/2 tablespoon cinnamon
Some nutmeg.
Soften butter, mix with sugars and add the ice cream and spices.
Place into container and freeze.
To serve, place a generous dollop into a mug, add an even more generous ration of rum (brandy works well too) and add hot water. Stir. Sprinkle a smidge of nutmeg on top and serve.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 09, 2021 11:19 AM (axyOa)
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What a bunch of crap. The Ewok needs to take CBD out behind the woodshed, methinks.
Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know at December 09, 2021 11:19 AM (nLrWw)
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That is the reality of Trump. And it will not be any different the second time around.
Posted by: Joe XiDen
The problem is it wasn't Trump that made 1/2 the GOP treat him like a Nazi. It was b/c Trump actually pursued a conservative agenda and fought back against the media.
So, any candidate that tries to follow Trump's same policies will be treated like a Nazi by 1/2 (really more) the GOP. So there is no winning by not having Trump as the candidate.
Posted by: Joe XiDen
The problem is it wasn't Trump that made 1/2 the GOP treat him like a Nazi. It was b/c Trump actually pursued a conservative agenda and fought back against the media.
So, any candidate that tries to follow Trump's same policies will be treated like a Nazi by 1/2 (really more) the GOP. So there is no winning by not having Trump as the candidate.
Posted by: Mehive at December 09, 2021 11:19 AM (ky+MF)
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Really hate to say, the only way not to have four years of fighting is to let the Democrats win.
Bush was Hitler.
Romney was Hitler.
McCain was Hitler.
At least until they had the grace to lose.
Ted Cruz was (as I was told) terrifying beyond all reason and going to usher in a Dominionist theocracy.
There are NO acceptable Republican candidates.
Bush was Hitler.
Romney was Hitler.
McCain was Hitler.
At least until they had the grace to lose.
Ted Cruz was (as I was told) terrifying beyond all reason and going to usher in a Dominionist theocracy.
There are NO acceptable Republican candidates.
Posted by: Synova at December 09, 2021 11:19 AM (BD/yx)
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90 The left will treat every Republican as Hitler. The difference with Trump was 1/2 of the GOP also treated him like Hitler. And when 1/2 your party is against you, it is impossible to win and/or get anything done.
That is the reality of Trump. And it will not be any different the second time around.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 09, 2021 11:17 AM (OalnH)
You mean the politicians? Because in terms of internal party support Trump had higher numbers than we'd seen in a while. But positive reviews from Mitch and Mitt don't give me much confidence in a candidate.
That is the reality of Trump. And it will not be any different the second time around.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 09, 2021 11:17 AM (OalnH)
You mean the politicians? Because in terms of internal party support Trump had higher numbers than we'd seen in a while. But positive reviews from Mitch and Mitt don't give me much confidence in a candidate.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at December 09, 2021 11:19 AM (z5Vrg)
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 09, 2021 11:20 AM (tMjLZ)
Posted by: Tex Lovera at December 09, 2021 11:20 AM (wtvvX)
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And I agree Trump shouldn't run because he doesn't have the political skills or network to govern effectively.
Posted by: Hedley Lamarr at December 09, 2021 11:20 AM (tDAwn)
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PDT will not be allowed to win no matter what.
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There is only one party. They aren't going to let anyone else like him win either.
They let Trump skate through the primaries with little to no bad coverage because they thought he'd be a pushover. They know Desaintis will not be a pushover. Desaintis will not be permitted to win either.
We live is an utterly false, a staged society. Anyone who tells the truth is too much a threat. The truth unhinges the false set, and unnerves not only the actors on stage, but also the audience. The audience has expectations. When expectations are not met, people get disappointed.
Believe one thing, you will never get any candidate who will meet with all your expectations. Your satisfaction is NOT guaranteed. Put not your faith in princes. The only easy way out is God. Trump can win, because a majority of people know he was cheated the last time. A lot of dems know it. They still don't like him, but they don't like Biden either, and they know they need to send a message to the deep state.
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There is only one party. They aren't going to let anyone else like him win either.
They let Trump skate through the primaries with little to no bad coverage because they thought he'd be a pushover. They know Desaintis will not be a pushover. Desaintis will not be permitted to win either.
We live is an utterly false, a staged society. Anyone who tells the truth is too much a threat. The truth unhinges the false set, and unnerves not only the actors on stage, but also the audience. The audience has expectations. When expectations are not met, people get disappointed.
Believe one thing, you will never get any candidate who will meet with all your expectations. Your satisfaction is NOT guaranteed. Put not your faith in princes. The only easy way out is God. Trump can win, because a majority of people know he was cheated the last time. A lot of dems know it. They still don't like him, but they don't like Biden either, and they know they need to send a message to the deep state.
Posted by: But but but we need someone with more Couth at December 09, 2021 11:21 AM (6B5is)
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Obviously we should be choosing candidates acceptable to democrats and rinos. That is what is being said here.
Posted by: irright at December 09, 2021 11:21 AM (8rX4S)
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"Theyll be plenty energized when their ability to sacrifice babies at will is threatened."
Once the sweet Covid grift money starts to wane, the power structure will get even more desperate to keep the control they have. Never in my life would I have believed that we would have (openly) socialists and communists in power.
There's no going back peaceably. Sorry to break it to you. They won't just be defeated, they must be broken.
Once the sweet Covid grift money starts to wane, the power structure will get even more desperate to keep the control they have. Never in my life would I have believed that we would have (openly) socialists and communists in power.
There's no going back peaceably. Sorry to break it to you. They won't just be defeated, they must be broken.
Posted by: IP at December 09, 2021 11:21 AM (SDdI7)
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Absolutely. But only Trump has the power to energize the Democrats.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2021 11:14 AM -
Who cares? I'm done living in fear of these morons. We know what beats these idiots. We need to do the small ball stuff now.
Absolutely. But only Trump has the power to energize the Democrats.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2021 11:14 AM -
Who cares? I'm done living in fear of these morons. We know what beats these idiots. We need to do the small ball stuff now.
Posted by: Iblis at December 09, 2021 11:21 AM (g6c4t)
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@88
>>So who's on first? I really want to know.
It took over 30 years to get a Reaganesque figure, there is currently no heir apparent to Trump, there doesn't seem to be anyone in the pipeline to become a Trump like figure.
We probably will have to wait until a Black Swan shows up or False Vacuum swallows the Universe and Boltzmann Brain creates another reality to get another.
>>So who's on first? I really want to know.
It took over 30 years to get a Reaganesque figure, there is currently no heir apparent to Trump, there doesn't seem to be anyone in the pipeline to become a Trump like figure.
We probably will have to wait until a Black Swan shows up or False Vacuum swallows the Universe and Boltzmann Brain creates another reality to get another.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 09, 2021 11:21 AM (SO3EB)
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That's not true, mainly because Joe Biden is in thr worst position of any Democrat leader of the modern era. Donald Trump will be doing his best to push Republicans to victory in the midterms. The Frums and Kristols shrieking for Trump to shut up isn't a coincidence: they want to take credit for the upcoming victory and marginalize MAGA. This strategy actually worked against Reagan, and it's why Trump must not give in.
Posted by: trev006 at December 09, 2021 11:18 AM (Eqkqm)
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Sure, there is probably influence he could wield in the midterms and I suspect he will do so and claim as much credit as possible. But in terms of an executive branch leadership turnover, that's not relevant until after the midterms regardless. He could run or not run, stay out or work behind the scenes, whatever - it doesn't matter until early or mid '23 at the earliest.
Posted by: trev006 at December 09, 2021 11:18 AM (Eqkqm)
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Sure, there is probably influence he could wield in the midterms and I suspect he will do so and claim as much credit as possible. But in terms of an executive branch leadership turnover, that's not relevant until after the midterms regardless. He could run or not run, stay out or work behind the scenes, whatever - it doesn't matter until early or mid '23 at the earliest.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2021 11:21 AM (DU+/6)
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On a lighter note, I got my 4 quarts of 130 proof moonshine made by an old lady in Kentucky with a natural spring on her property.
Woof......
Woof......
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Jackson Sparks at December 09, 2021 11:21 AM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 09, 2021 11:21 AM (/U27+)
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I also would prefer Trump not to run.
But I sure wouldn't advise that out of a fear of fighting and conflict.
I want fighting. I want the Uniparty broken. I want a Democratic party unified, then beaten again.
A 'nice' Republican win means nothing. That means the Uniparty will roll on and the Oligarchy will consolidate their hold on us.
Give me the wrecking ball.
But I sure wouldn't advise that out of a fear of fighting and conflict.
I want fighting. I want the Uniparty broken. I want a Democratic party unified, then beaten again.
A 'nice' Republican win means nothing. That means the Uniparty will roll on and the Oligarchy will consolidate their hold on us.
Give me the wrecking ball.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, load and make ready at December 09, 2021 11:21 AM (V6f9+)
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De Santis. Dang chubby fingers.
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid. at December 09, 2021 11:21 AM (n/szn)
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Besides, this talk is all irrelevant. If the likes of Fauci, Levine, and everyone who continues to push the jab to children when it's already killed 150,000+ people are not rotting in the same jail cells that were previously occupied by the Jan 6 rally-goers, the Communists will already have total victory.
I will not vote for anyone who hasn't already claimed a scalp. A real scalp. Not the "herr-durr you're fake news" Twitter burn, but an enemy combatant tortured. No one less will suffice at this point.
I will not vote for anyone who hasn't already claimed a scalp. A real scalp. Not the "herr-durr you're fake news" Twitter burn, but an enemy combatant tortured. No one less will suffice at this point.
Posted by: Homer's Donuts at December 09, 2021 11:21 AM (BCSAN)
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If Trump chooses to be kingmaker, fine. But every day more people are realizing how criminal DC cartels are, and they now find out the Hillary started the lies about Trump/Russia.
Maybe in the next three years they hear about the Hunter laptop, not just the sex part, the Biden/China and Biden/Ukraine connections.
One of the big mistakes by Trump was to keep Crooked Fauci and Scarf Lady Birx up there undermining America at every turn, even killing them by denying treatment. But I believe Trump won those battleground states, maybe more, and those villains need to be vanquished by a Trump return, and then an AG that will run roughshod over the DeepState.
(hey, I can dream, but Rosenstein/Barr/Sessions ... proper hiring is as important as needed firings. ... not sure what AG would take on the DC cartels, but maybe there are a few good men still hidden in caves?)
Maybe in the next three years they hear about the Hunter laptop, not just the sex part, the Biden/China and Biden/Ukraine connections.
One of the big mistakes by Trump was to keep Crooked Fauci and Scarf Lady Birx up there undermining America at every turn, even killing them by denying treatment. But I believe Trump won those battleground states, maybe more, and those villains need to be vanquished by a Trump return, and then an AG that will run roughshod over the DeepState.
(hey, I can dream, but Rosenstein/Barr/Sessions ... proper hiring is as important as needed firings. ... not sure what AG would take on the DC cartels, but maybe there are a few good men still hidden in caves?)
Posted by: illiniwek at December 09, 2021 11:21 AM (Cus5s)
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Complete unadulterated bullshit.
Posted by: irright at December 09, 2021 11:15 AM (8rX4S)
You are completely, laughably wrong.
[freely stated, freely denied]
Posted by: irright at December 09, 2021 11:15 AM (8rX4S)
You are completely, laughably wrong.
[freely stated, freely denied]
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2021 11:21 AM (Q9lwr)
Posted by: SMOD at December 09, 2021 11:21 AM (RHGPo)
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There's a certain time in warfare when it becomes not a game of who wins, but a game of who loses first. Your supply situation is shit, you're running out of manpower, your troops are stretched thin across a broad front, and you're starting to think "well crap, this has got to be the beginning of the end".
Then your forces start punching through. The only thing worse than your situation was theirs.
I think we might be hitting this point. We have shit for allies, shit for message control, and shit for PR.
The other side has an idiotic philosophy that plays semantic games, turns reality on its head, and pats itself on the back for its cleverness. They have shit for leadership, no coherent message, and people are beginning to realize that their PR machine is a giant fraud.
Then your forces start punching through. The only thing worse than your situation was theirs.
I think we might be hitting this point. We have shit for allies, shit for message control, and shit for PR.
The other side has an idiotic philosophy that plays semantic games, turns reality on its head, and pats itself on the back for its cleverness. They have shit for leadership, no coherent message, and people are beginning to realize that their PR machine is a giant fraud.
Posted by: Cato, Post-Apocalyptic Scourge of the Seas at December 09, 2021 11:21 AM (Msrhc)
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106 90 The left will treat every Republican as Hitler. The difference with Trump was 1/2 of the GOP also treated him like Hitler. And when 1/2 your party is against you, it is impossible to win and/or get anything done.
That is the reality of Trump. And it will not be any different the second time around.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 09, 2021 11:17 AM (OalnH)
You mean the politicians? Because in terms of internal party support Trump had higher numbers than we'd seen in a while. But positive reviews from Mitch and Mitt don't give me much confidence in a candidate.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at December 09, 2021 11:19 AM (z5Vrg)
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Agreed. By this logic, we should find the biggest squish possible. They'll screw us every way possible, but hey, Mitch and Mittens will like them, and that's what really counts.
Trump 2024.
That is the reality of Trump. And it will not be any different the second time around.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 09, 2021 11:17 AM (OalnH)
You mean the politicians? Because in terms of internal party support Trump had higher numbers than we'd seen in a while. But positive reviews from Mitch and Mitt don't give me much confidence in a candidate.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at December 09, 2021 11:19 AM (z5Vrg)
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Agreed. By this logic, we should find the biggest squish possible. They'll screw us every way possible, but hey, Mitch and Mittens will like them, and that's what really counts.
Trump 2024.
Posted by: Pennsyltucky at December 09, 2021 11:21 AM (lNHqD)
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Absolutely. But only Trump has the power to energize the Democrats.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2021 11:14 AM (Q9lwr)
The dead ones?
I mean, because they lost.
they had to historically steal an election.
The media projects the energy.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2021 11:14 AM (Q9lwr)
The dead ones?
I mean, because they lost.
they had to historically steal an election.
The media projects the energy.
Posted by: Inogame X-State Lines at December 09, 2021 11:22 AM (53oGX)
Posted by: x at December 09, 2021 11:22 AM (oA+QO)
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Absolutely. But only Trump has the power to energize the Democrats.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2021 11:14 AM (Q9lwr)
We should not fight with both hands, because that will make the dems do what they do anyway? What good is winning if you are just getting what the left is willing to let you have? Because rolling over and accepting GOPe scraps has worked so well for us in the past? Perhaps we will have peace in our time.
/s
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2021 11:14 AM (Q9lwr)
We should not fight with both hands, because that will make the dems do what they do anyway? What good is winning if you are just getting what the left is willing to let you have? Because rolling over and accepting GOPe scraps has worked so well for us in the past? Perhaps we will have peace in our time.
/s
Posted by: flounder at December 09, 2021 11:22 AM (SH2Zi)
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If Trump is not willing to call up militia and go to war when they STEAL the election AGAIN, it's over.
Over.
He does not understand that he has a DUTY to go to war when they steal the election. That's a full CW2.
He is not that selfless or courageous.
Posted by: Sapwolf at December 09, 2021 11:12 AM (etPhZ)
The Patriotic Front is looking for a few good men.
You'd probably like them. I hear they are just the best!
Over.
He does not understand that he has a DUTY to go to war when they steal the election. That's a full CW2.
He is not that selfless or courageous.
Posted by: Sapwolf at December 09, 2021 11:12 AM (etPhZ)
The Patriotic Front is looking for a few good men.
You'd probably like them. I hear they are just the best!
Posted by: naturalfake at December 09, 2021 11:22 AM (5NkmN)
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97 Absolutely. But only Trump has the power to energize the Democrats.
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That about sums it up.
Posted by: runner at December 09, 2021 11:19 AM (faqzI)
It sums up the case against Trump, but there are things that are happening to the media that will change the playing field by the time 2024 rolls around. John Malone will be taking over CNN before then, and he's a self-made billionaire who likes to control things. If all he does is make CNN a neutral news organization by getting rid of all the current 'talent', that changes the effectiveness of the Left's echo chamber substantially. Given an even halfway neutral MSM, Trump can win simply by not getting all the negative press.
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That about sums it up.
Posted by: runner at December 09, 2021 11:19 AM (faqzI)
It sums up the case against Trump, but there are things that are happening to the media that will change the playing field by the time 2024 rolls around. John Malone will be taking over CNN before then, and he's a self-made billionaire who likes to control things. If all he does is make CNN a neutral news organization by getting rid of all the current 'talent', that changes the effectiveness of the Left's echo chamber substantially. Given an even halfway neutral MSM, Trump can win simply by not getting all the negative press.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at December 09, 2021 11:22 AM (C61w6)
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We will destroy anyone you put forward and will choose your candidate for you, maggots.
- The Media
- The Media
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Jackson Sparks at December 09, 2021 11:22 AM (Zz0t1)
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So many new prognosticators here!
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 09, 2021 11:22 AM (DgLeA)
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We probably will have to wait until a Black Swan shows up or False Vacuum swallows the Universe and Boltzmann Brain creates another reality to get another.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 09, 2021 11:21 AM (SO3EB)
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I'm right here, you know.
We probably will have to wait until a Black Swan shows up or False Vacuum swallows the Universe and Boltzmann Brain creates another reality to get another.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 09, 2021 11:21 AM (SO3EB)
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I'm right here, you know.
Posted by: Maxwell's Demon at December 09, 2021 11:23 AM (/U27+)
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123 Trump/De Santis is constitutional a problem.
Currently, they both live in Florida.
Posted by: SMOD at December 09, 2021 11:21 AM (RHGPo)
Its not like Trump can't move someplace else at a moments notice.
Currently, they both live in Florida.
Posted by: SMOD at December 09, 2021 11:21 AM (RHGPo)
Its not like Trump can't move someplace else at a moments notice.
Posted by: Iblis at December 09, 2021 11:23 AM (g6c4t)
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CBD Sundowner didn't fire up any Democrats, only mail fraud voting by a few who voted in the thousands.
Posted by: Skip's Phone at December 09, 2021 11:23 AM (tDjbJ)
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Trump has not shown he learned anything from 2020 fiasco. I would love , LOVE to be proven completely wrong.
Posted by: runner at December 09, 2021 11:23 AM (faqzI)
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The problem is it wasn't Trump that made 1/2 the GOP treat him like a Nazi. It was b/c Trump actually pursued a conservative agenda and fought back against the media.
So, any candidate that tries to follow Trump's same policies will be treated like a Nazi by 1/2 (really more) the GOP. So there is no winning by not having Trump as the candidate.
Posted by: Mehive at December 09, 2021 11:19 AM (ky+MF)
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I disagree. Trump was a bull in a China shop. And that put people off at a visceral level. The mean tweet meme. It's stupid of course because shit like that shouldn't matter, but it does matter. Same policies of strong economic growth, energy independence, etc but offered in a "nicer" (for lack of a better word) way would have better results.
So, any candidate that tries to follow Trump's same policies will be treated like a Nazi by 1/2 (really more) the GOP. So there is no winning by not having Trump as the candidate.
Posted by: Mehive at December 09, 2021 11:19 AM (ky+MF)
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I disagree. Trump was a bull in a China shop. And that put people off at a visceral level. The mean tweet meme. It's stupid of course because shit like that shouldn't matter, but it does matter. Same policies of strong economic growth, energy independence, etc but offered in a "nicer" (for lack of a better word) way would have better results.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 09, 2021 11:23 AM (OalnH)
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The media and dems have not stopped weaponizing for a 2024 Trump run since November. Would Trump make the same mistakes again? Is it even possible? One advantage to somebody else coming in is that everybody would be caught flat footed. It's like the Nazi's putting all their assets on a Western beach assault, they've know for years this is how it's going to happen, and then the attack comes from the North. Now what? The mad scramble. And, how do you reprogram 9 years of hating Trump, only to now have to pivot to hating this guy/gal, who possibly nobody has heard of?
2 years can be a long, long time for somebody Trump's age. I'd vote for him in a heartbeat of course, he'd have my full support. I'm just not seeing a player besides DeSantis who can do it. More and more I'm hoping he fights from the sidelines - I think he could be formidable and strategically having "incoming" from all angles is preferable.
The real question is if not DeSantis, who?
2 years can be a long, long time for somebody Trump's age. I'd vote for him in a heartbeat of course, he'd have my full support. I'm just not seeing a player besides DeSantis who can do it. More and more I'm hoping he fights from the sidelines - I think he could be formidable and strategically having "incoming" from all angles is preferable.
The real question is if not DeSantis, who?
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at December 09, 2021 11:23 AM (wAnMi)
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I'm not sure this is true. I doubt the world can survive another year of Joe Biden as a puppet of China and Bloomberg. Asking to survive until 2024 will be harder, particularly when the Congressional GOP will mostly be about pleasing their donors instead of their voters.
Posted by: trev006 at December 09, 2021 11:10 AM (Eqkqm)
So what happens when the world doesn't "survive"? because I think that's the most likely outcome.
Posted by: trev006 at December 09, 2021 11:10 AM (Eqkqm)
So what happens when the world doesn't "survive"? because I think that's the most likely outcome.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 09, 2021 11:23 AM (trdmm)
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Obviously we should be choosing candidates acceptable to democrats and rinos. That is what is being said here.
Posted by: irright at December 09, 2021 11:21 AM (8rX4S)
That's some weapons-grade simplistic thinking.
Reread what I wrote.
Posted by: irright at December 09, 2021 11:21 AM (8rX4S)
That's some weapons-grade simplistic thinking.
Reread what I wrote.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2021 11:23 AM (Q9lwr)
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Running against swamp critters is a good place to start.
Posted by: torabora at December 09, 2021 11:23 AM (U0p6D)
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Don Jr could be the compromise standard bearer...if you think Biden is Obama's stealth 3rd term, I gotta think senior would be both fully committed to Junior's win, and happy to provide lots of input and positive social media presence for him...
And 8 years is better than 4...if anyone would carry on Donald's path, it's probably Junior...
And before you say he's not a politician...exactly...
And yes, I know I normally hate dynasties...but this one might work, but only if it's Junior...
And 8 years is better than 4...if anyone would carry on Donald's path, it's probably Junior...
And before you say he's not a politician...exactly...
And yes, I know I normally hate dynasties...but this one might work, but only if it's Junior...
Posted by: Nova local at December 09, 2021 11:23 AM (exHjb)
Posted by: Pence at December 09, 2021 11:23 AM (gX+4x)
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Its delusional to believe that Trump didnt learn the same lessons, x 1000, that we outsiders learned from his 4 years in office
Posted by: LASue at December 09, 2021 11:24 AM (Ed8Zd)
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22 Be our Soros Senor Trump!!
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 09, 2021 11:07 AM (OalnH)
This!
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 09, 2021 11:07 AM (OalnH)
This!
Posted by: Hedley Lamarr at December 09, 2021 11:24 AM (tDAwn)
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#16 Another "we must destroy them "posts by a poster I've not seen before unless I missed him. Can we have a little marching in DC in matching outfits and knee pads before we go into battle?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 09, 2021 11:24 AM (poMoX)
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On a lighter note, I got my 4 quarts of 130 proof moonshine made by an old lady in Kentucky with a natural spring on her property.
Woof......
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Jackson Sparks at December 09, 2021 11:21 AM (Zz0t1)
Can I come over?
Woof......
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Jackson Sparks at December 09, 2021 11:21 AM (Zz0t1)
Can I come over?
Posted by: Jordan61 at December 09, 2021 11:24 AM (Ez6QX)
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Really hate to say, the only way not to have four years of fighting is to let the Democrats win.
Bush was Hitler.
Romney was Hitler.
McCain was Hitler.
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FFS people it goes all the way back to Reagan. He was a crazy cowboy actor that was going to start WWIII. Do you not remember? Star Wars is a disaster REEEEE!!! Just the idea of it broke the Soviets. Just the IDEA. Not a shot fired. WTF else do you people need to hear?
There is a deep state. It has one plan. It works every Fcukin' time with two exceptions. Why should they change it when even "stalwart convservatives" buy the media's spin.
Bush was Hitler.
Romney was Hitler.
McCain was Hitler.
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FFS people it goes all the way back to Reagan. He was a crazy cowboy actor that was going to start WWIII. Do you not remember? Star Wars is a disaster REEEEE!!! Just the idea of it broke the Soviets. Just the IDEA. Not a shot fired. WTF else do you people need to hear?
There is a deep state. It has one plan. It works every Fcukin' time with two exceptions. Why should they change it when even "stalwart convservatives" buy the media's spin.
Posted by: But but but we need someone with more Couth at December 09, 2021 11:24 AM (lSr5H)
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 09, 2021 11:24 AM (SO3EB)
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Absolutely. But only Trump has the power to energize the Democrats.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2021 11:14 AM (Q9lwr)
That is NOT what is going on. Watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zz30g8-T8i0
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2021 11:14 AM (Q9lwr)
That is NOT what is going on. Watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zz30g8-T8i0
Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know at December 09, 2021 11:24 AM (nLrWw)
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Lot of first-time nics in this thread.
Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 09, 2021 11:24 AM (Bmy3R)
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I kept my mouth shut and defended Trump through his 4 years but I grade his term no more than a C. His biggest promise about the border and wall became a secondary concern with hardly a dent made. He increased the debt more in a six month period than the entire War on Terror military expenditures did in 18 years. He chose political strategy over doing the right thing and stamping out the Antifa / BLM riots. He was played like a fiddle with the Covid panic which I believe is the reason we're in the position we are today. His insistence and promotion of the Jan 6th rally was a egomaniac mistake. You could see the trap being set a million miles away.
That said , he was infinitely better than Hillary or any other Dem would have been.
That said , he was infinitely better than Hillary or any other Dem would have been.
Posted by: Just a side note at December 09, 2021 11:25 AM (VJ4aP)
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A major conceit is the idea that the left would respond more quietly to a President that would break the back of the deep state, or purge Wall Street influence. Absolutely not- if anything the riots and terrorism would have to be funded at a rate well above the overt corporate terror of 2020.
Now, if a non-Trump is just lying about the swamp to get into office? That, I believe. Trump's problem was treating Senate Republicans like they were any more worthy of respect than the Schumers or Feinsteins. He won't govern the same way a second time.
Now, if a non-Trump is just lying about the swamp to get into office? That, I believe. Trump's problem was treating Senate Republicans like they were any more worthy of respect than the Schumers or Feinsteins. He won't govern the same way a second time.
Posted by: trev006 at December 09, 2021 11:25 AM (Eqkqm)
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The real question is if not DeSantis, who?
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at December 09, 2021 11:23 AM (wAnMi)
I know - the great irony is that for 2024 (as it looks now), the GOP only has two plausible candidates; and the Democrats have none.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at December 09, 2021 11:23 AM (wAnMi)
I know - the great irony is that for 2024 (as it looks now), the GOP only has two plausible candidates; and the Democrats have none.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 09, 2021 11:25 AM (trdmm)
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Complete unadulterated bullshit.
Posted by: irright at December 09, 2021 11:15 AM (8rX4S)
You are completely, laughably wrong.
[freely stated, freely denied]
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2021 11:21 AM -
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We can at least agree the other is a silly person. I have no problem with that.
Complete unadulterated bullshit.
Posted by: irright at December 09, 2021 11:15 AM (8rX4S)
You are completely, laughably wrong.
[freely stated, freely denied]
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2021 11:21 AM -
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We can at least agree the other is a silly person. I have no problem with that.
Posted by: irright at December 09, 2021 11:25 AM (8rX4S)
Posted by: irongrampa at December 09, 2021 11:25 AM (KATBx)
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If Trump is the nominee I will vote for him. But I would prefer it be DeSantis instead. We'll have the next 18 months to have this food fight.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 09, 2021 11:25 AM (OalnH)
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Jackson Sparks at December 09, 2021 11:25 AM (Zz0t1)
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The message last year was very clear: there will be no more Trumpian GOP contenders. There will be no choices other than what the left provides. You'll get the current regime or its proxy. The GOP will run a Romney-esque throwaway and "lose with dignity."
Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 09, 2021 11:25 AM (BFigT)
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Because rolling over and accepting GOPe scraps has worked so well for us in the past? Perhaps we will have peace in our time.
Posted by: flounder at December 09, 2021 11:22 AM (SH2Zi)
No. I want DeSantis to run and destroy whatever is left of the Democrat party. I want a 48 state blowout, with sweeps of state houses.
He can do it, but I don't think Trump can, even though I think Trump can probably win.
Posted by: flounder at December 09, 2021 11:22 AM (SH2Zi)
No. I want DeSantis to run and destroy whatever is left of the Democrat party. I want a 48 state blowout, with sweeps of state houses.
He can do it, but I don't think Trump can, even though I think Trump can probably win.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2021 11:26 AM (Q9lwr)
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I would love to see a pragmatic, strong, smart, outspoken guy like DeSantis lead the party. As much as I grew to love Trump, the reactionary democrats (aka, all democrats) will immediately put their fingers in their ears whenever he speaks.
How can anyone still believe that the left/media/GOP will give anyone who actually pursues conservative policy a fair shake, fair treatment, or respect?
Desantis will be treated as badly or worse by the dems/media/GOP if he runs. this idea that Trump is hated b/c of his personality is nonsense. He had the same personality all his very much public life and was loved by everyone, even while being bombastic and nasty on twitter, etc. He had a hit TV show. He had best-selling books. And it wasn't just hard-core conservatives who watched the Apprentice and bought his books. It wasn't until he tried to actual enact conservative policy that the hatred started.
The left called Reagan, Bush I, and Bush II fascist and hitler. And Bush I and II weren't remotely conservative - just not far enough left for the left.
It is silly to think any person who is truly conservative will get fair treatment from the media/left/GOP.
How can anyone still believe that the left/media/GOP will give anyone who actually pursues conservative policy a fair shake, fair treatment, or respect?
Desantis will be treated as badly or worse by the dems/media/GOP if he runs. this idea that Trump is hated b/c of his personality is nonsense. He had the same personality all his very much public life and was loved by everyone, even while being bombastic and nasty on twitter, etc. He had a hit TV show. He had best-selling books. And it wasn't just hard-core conservatives who watched the Apprentice and bought his books. It wasn't until he tried to actual enact conservative policy that the hatred started.
The left called Reagan, Bush I, and Bush II fascist and hitler. And Bush I and II weren't remotely conservative - just not far enough left for the left.
It is silly to think any person who is truly conservative will get fair treatment from the media/left/GOP.
Posted by: Mehive at December 09, 2021 11:26 AM (ky+MF)
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I was thinking about the other wannabes this morning, you just know Ted Cruz wants the job yet what has he been doing the last couple days? Hitting the media circuit ripping on Biden for being to soft with Russia and pushing the narrative we need to show strength on the Ukraine matter.
The guy hasn't learned anything from Trump, he reverted right back to the GOPe.
The guy hasn't learned anything from Trump, he reverted right back to the GOPe.
Posted by: lowandslow at December 09, 2021 11:26 AM (4thlk)
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I almost never join political threads. But my main sticking point with PDT is his age. He's younger than FJB, but not by much. And the older ones gets, the more quickly one's health can deteriorate.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Trying not to piss off Krampus at December 09, 2021 11:26 AM (xPJvm)
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FFS people it goes all the way back to Reagan. He was a crazy cowboy actor that was going to start WWIII.
During that election season, my HS history teacher taught us that if Reagan won, he was going to take away women's right to vote and re-enslave black people. His exact words.
And that was in 1979. This indoctrination stuff started a long time ago.
During that election season, my HS history teacher taught us that if Reagan won, he was going to take away women's right to vote and re-enslave black people. His exact words.
And that was in 1979. This indoctrination stuff started a long time ago.
Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 09, 2021 11:26 AM (Bmy3R)
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I know - the great irony is that for 2024 (as it looks now), the GOP only has two plausible candidates; and the Democrats have none.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 09, 2021 11:25 AM (trdmm)
I think Rand will be in, and he's plausible, too, but not my top choice...
After the Covid stuff, it's probably his best time for ever running...
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 09, 2021 11:25 AM (trdmm)
I think Rand will be in, and he's plausible, too, but not my top choice...
After the Covid stuff, it's probably his best time for ever running...
Posted by: Nova local at December 09, 2021 11:26 AM (exHjb)
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Lot of first-time nics in this thread.
Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 09, 2021 11:24 AM (Bmy3R)
They are positively glowing!
Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 09, 2021 11:24 AM (Bmy3R)
They are positively glowing!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2021 11:26 AM (Q9lwr)
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I know - the great irony is that for 2024 (as it looks now), the GOP only has two plausible candidates; and the Democrats have none.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 09, 2021 11:25 AM (trdmm)
Is zombie Charles Martel available?
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 09, 2021 11:25 AM (trdmm)
Is zombie Charles Martel available?
Posted by: dantesed at December 09, 2021 11:27 AM (88xKn)
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Who? Ron Desantis is far too valuable as governor of Florida. Rand Paul just doesn't have the what-ever-it-is that enables Trump to bring out thousands and thousands of supporters. Mike Pompeo suffers from the same shortage. And, as has been said above several times already, the Dem machine will rip, tear, and shred any candidate the Repubs dare to put up as candidate for president. All I can see at this point is nominate Trump, then monitor the hell out of every polling spot. Somehow, we have to figure a way to verify each and every vote cast, then make sure each and every vote is counted the way it was cast. But how do we do that? That's what we need to figure out between now and 2024.
Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- bitterly clinging to the deplorable life '70s style! at December 09, 2021 11:27 AM (j0p94)
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Don Jr could be the compromise standard bearer...if you think Biden is Obama's stealth 3rd term, I gotta think senior would be both fully committed to Junior's win, and happy to provide lots of input and positive social media presence for him...
And 8 years is better than 4...if anyone would carry on Donald's path, it's probably Junior...
And before you say he's not a politician...exactly...
And yes, I know I normally hate dynasties...but this one might work, but only if it's Junior...
Posted by: Nova local at December 09, 2021 11:23 AM (exHjb)
Does Jr. come w/Jared and Ivanka? Does Sr. return w/Jared and Ivanka? We don't need that duo again.
And 8 years is better than 4...if anyone would carry on Donald's path, it's probably Junior...
And before you say he's not a politician...exactly...
And yes, I know I normally hate dynasties...but this one might work, but only if it's Junior...
Posted by: Nova local at December 09, 2021 11:23 AM (exHjb)
Does Jr. come w/Jared and Ivanka? Does Sr. return w/Jared and Ivanka? We don't need that duo again.
Posted by: BignJames at December 09, 2021 11:27 AM (AwYPR)
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Not only did he not show he learned anything, he insists on rolling like it's 2016. Same tropes.
Posted by: runner at December 09, 2021 11:27 AM (faqzI)
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I disagree. Trump was a bull in a China shop. And that put people off at a visceral level. The mean tweet meme. It's stupid of course because shit like that shouldn't matter, but it does matter. Same policies of strong economic growth, energy independence, etc but offered in a "nicer" (for lack of a better word) way would have better results.
Posted by: Joe XiDen
Were you alive during the Bush I and II years? Or seen how "conservative" senators and reps are treated by the left/media/GOP?
I guess facts don't matter.
Posted by: Joe XiDen
Were you alive during the Bush I and II years? Or seen how "conservative" senators and reps are treated by the left/media/GOP?
I guess facts don't matter.
Posted by: Mehive at December 09, 2021 11:27 AM (ky+MF)
Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 09, 2021 11:27 AM (Bmy3R)
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Fascinating the horde seems fairly split, maybe more Trumper 2024 by a little.
Posted by: Skip's Phone at December 09, 2021 11:28 AM (tDjbJ)
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If all he does is make CNN a neutral news organization by getting rid of all the current 'talent', that changes the effectiveness of the Left's echo chamber substantially.
Darrell - I'm not so sure. CNN's ratings are so low, I wonder if it would have any impact if they disappeared altogether.
For those arguing that the Dems will demonize ANY Republican, of course they will. That's not the point. The point is what will the non loony contingent do? Trump is probably unique in the level of spittle-flecked rage he can induce just by showing up. I suspect a lot of moderate Dems and independents would find it a lot easier to vote for DeSantis than for Trump. At the very least, they would be less motivated.
Darrell - I'm not so sure. CNN's ratings are so low, I wonder if it would have any impact if they disappeared altogether.
For those arguing that the Dems will demonize ANY Republican, of course they will. That's not the point. The point is what will the non loony contingent do? Trump is probably unique in the level of spittle-flecked rage he can induce just by showing up. I suspect a lot of moderate Dems and independents would find it a lot easier to vote for DeSantis than for Trump. At the very least, they would be less motivated.
Posted by: pep at December 09, 2021 11:28 AM (ZsR3z)
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Which sounds better: four more years of fighting, or a position as the white knight who did what was best for America and led us back to American Exceptionalism being more than a throwaway phrase?
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Why?
You assume he would--and should--be constrained by the norms and politeness ante-2020.
Trump 2024 is "Burn the F'er Down! Crush the Commies."
It's total war or defeat and death-- there is no "nice and easy" solution (the white knight) anymore.
If conservatives can't get their minds round to that reality, then they will get used to burning their ideals for warmth in the camps.
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Why?
You assume he would--and should--be constrained by the norms and politeness ante-2020.
Trump 2024 is "Burn the F'er Down! Crush the Commies."
It's total war or defeat and death-- there is no "nice and easy" solution (the white knight) anymore.
If conservatives can't get their minds round to that reality, then they will get used to burning their ideals for warmth in the camps.
Posted by: Lrrr at December 09, 2021 11:28 AM (jIL4c)
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Posted by: Just a side note at December 09, 2021 11:25 AM (VJ4aP)
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Add to that the horrible no good people he hired, one after another, after another. I could forgive his initial picks because, he was new to DC and didn't get how it works. OK fine. But by June '17 he should have clued in. And yet he continued to hire POS backstabbing assholes who derailed is agenda.
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Add to that the horrible no good people he hired, one after another, after another. I could forgive his initial picks because, he was new to DC and didn't get how it works. OK fine. But by June '17 he should have clued in. And yet he continued to hire POS backstabbing assholes who derailed is agenda.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 09, 2021 11:28 AM (OalnH)
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Its not like Trump can't move someplace else at a moments notice.
Posted by: Iblis at December 09, 2021 11:23 AM (g6c4t)
If he made a move it would have to be soon. He's got properties in quite a few states, so it's really just a matter of him packing his bags. Strategically, where would be advantageous? A swing state? Or a supposedly solid blue like CA?
Posted by: Iblis at December 09, 2021 11:23 AM (g6c4t)
If he made a move it would have to be soon. He's got properties in quite a few states, so it's really just a matter of him packing his bags. Strategically, where would be advantageous? A swing state? Or a supposedly solid blue like CA?
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at December 09, 2021 11:28 AM (wAnMi)
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at December 09, 2021 11:28 AM (K2SnJ)
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Two words
Kushner. Ivanka.
I love Trump. But these morons had too much influence on him and helped ruin his presidency. On top of that an inability to know enemies from friends, and an inability to focus.
I love Trump. I will vote for him given nothing else (and was an early supporter after his speech on the escalator). But deSantis would be better.
Not sure who else could do it.
Kushner. Ivanka.
I love Trump. But these morons had too much influence on him and helped ruin his presidency. On top of that an inability to know enemies from friends, and an inability to focus.
I love Trump. I will vote for him given nothing else (and was an early supporter after his speech on the escalator). But deSantis would be better.
Not sure who else could do it.
Posted by: Dr Evil, formerly Loki, looking to water the Tree of Liberty with my F-15 and nukes at December 09, 2021 11:28 AM (ZW1rs)
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We can at least agree the other is a silly person. I have no problem with that.
Posted by: irright at December 09, 2021 11:25 AM (8rX4S)
Your response was content-free and childish. Spare me your poo-flinging. If you have thoughts, articulate them. This isn't an elementary school playground.
Posted by: irright at December 09, 2021 11:25 AM (8rX4S)
Your response was content-free and childish. Spare me your poo-flinging. If you have thoughts, articulate them. This isn't an elementary school playground.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2021 11:29 AM (Q9lwr)
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There won't be much of a country left on Jan 20, 2025 when the next President takes the oath.
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at December 09, 2021 11:29 AM (IIAOb)
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The guy hasn't learned anything from Trump, he reverted right back to the GOPe.
Posted by: lowandslow at December 09, 2021 11:26 AM (4thlk)
You may disagree with Cruz but his positions are his positions. He is not influenced or guided by the GOPe.
Posted by: lowandslow at December 09, 2021 11:26 AM (4thlk)
You may disagree with Cruz but his positions are his positions. He is not influenced or guided by the GOPe.
Posted by: Just a side note at December 09, 2021 11:29 AM (VJ4aP)
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Any Republican candidate to the right of Jeb! will be considered incredibly polarizing.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh
And if Jeb! gets the nomination HE will be considered incredibly polarizing.
Any Republican candidate to the right of Jeb! will be considered incredibly polarizing.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh
And if Jeb! gets the nomination HE will be considered incredibly polarizing.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 09, 2021 11:29 AM (63Dwl)
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>>> Hot buttered Rum of Diogenes
Posted by: Diogenes at December 09, 2021 11:19 AM (axyOa)
Thank you. Any suggestion on rum type dark/light, etc...?
Posted by: Diogenes at December 09, 2021 11:19 AM (axyOa)
Thank you. Any suggestion on rum type dark/light, etc...?
Posted by: banana Dream at December 09, 2021 11:29 AM (Fq1gB)
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The media will shove Liz Cheney down your throats and you'll like it.
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Jackson Sparks at December 09, 2021 11:29 AM (Zz0t1)
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Does Jr. come w/Jared and Ivanka? Does Sr. return w/Jared and Ivanka? We don't need that duo again.
Posted by: BignJames at December 09, 2021 11:27 AM (AwYPR)
That is the issue with all of them...but Junior has the same backbone as Senior (vs the other kids) and I don't think he'd roll to his sis's wishes, but use her for outreach for non-important stuff, like (Kamala is being used and still doing badly right now)...
Posted by: BignJames at December 09, 2021 11:27 AM (AwYPR)
That is the issue with all of them...but Junior has the same backbone as Senior (vs the other kids) and I don't think he'd roll to his sis's wishes, but use her for outreach for non-important stuff, like (Kamala is being used and still doing badly right now)...
Posted by: Nova local at December 09, 2021 11:29 AM (exHjb)
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On a lighter note, I got my 4 quarts of 130 proof moonshine made by an old lady in Kentucky with a natural spring on her property.
Woof......
Posted by: Sponge
"Honest, officer, it's artisanal hand sanitizer!"
Woof......
Posted by: Sponge
"Honest, officer, it's artisanal hand sanitizer!"
Posted by: t-bird at December 09, 2021 11:29 AM (n/x6m)
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Does Trump have the real ruthless gene? That's what I want, since we're wishing and all.
All the bad actors, media included, need to be tried, found guilty, and dispensed -- like your next boooostah!
All the bad actors, media included, need to be tried, found guilty, and dispensed -- like your next boooostah!
Posted by: micky at December 09, 2021 11:30 AM (3byMq)
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I'd agree that Trump running is bad for one reason only, he really is too old.
But the notion that any other candidate would be treated differently is ridiculous. The idea that some other candidate with better networking skills would be able to function more effectively, well, that's just...adorable.
Might as well support Tulsi in order to have the bare minimum of common sense and then lose gracefully so the Democrats look stupid having their continual tantrums.
But the notion that any other candidate would be treated differently is ridiculous. The idea that some other candidate with better networking skills would be able to function more effectively, well, that's just...adorable.
Might as well support Tulsi in order to have the bare minimum of common sense and then lose gracefully so the Democrats look stupid having their continual tantrums.
Posted by: Synova at December 09, 2021 11:30 AM (BD/yx)
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It will be Jeb Bush and Liz Cheney as Bush/Cheney II and you'll swallow it like you always do.
- The Media
- The Media
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Jackson Sparks at December 09, 2021 11:30 AM (Zz0t1)
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I think Rand will be in, and he's plausible, too, but not my top choice...
After the Covid stuff, it's probably his best time for ever running...
Posted by: Nova local
Rand is too short. He's only like 5 ft six. Short guys don't get elected President anymore.
Trump: He's taller.
After the Covid stuff, it's probably his best time for ever running...
Posted by: Nova local
Rand is too short. He's only like 5 ft six. Short guys don't get elected President anymore.
Trump: He's taller.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative.....lost in a lost world at December 09, 2021 11:30 AM (vcOmj)
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Were you alive during the Bush I and II years? Or seen how "conservative" senators and reps are treated by the left/media/GOP?
I guess facts don't matter.
Posted by: Mehive at December 09, 2021 11:27 AM (ky+MF)
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Even at the peak of Bu$h McHitler Dem hysteria, it was nowhere near the level of Trump hatred. People hated Bush sure. But it didn't get them into a frothing at the mouth madness the way Trump did. And most importantly, Bush won re-election.
I guess facts don't matter.
Posted by: Mehive at December 09, 2021 11:27 AM (ky+MF)
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Even at the peak of Bu$h McHitler Dem hysteria, it was nowhere near the level of Trump hatred. People hated Bush sure. But it didn't get them into a frothing at the mouth madness the way Trump did. And most importantly, Bush won re-election.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 09, 2021 11:30 AM (OalnH)
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And I agree Trump shouldn't run because he doesn't have the political skills or network to govern effectively.Posted by: Hedley Lamarr
I think President Trump's list of accomplishments in 4 short years, including his focus on deregulation, says different.
https://tinyurl.com/4juvn9vk
I think President Trump's list of accomplishments in 4 short years, including his focus on deregulation, says different.
https://tinyurl.com/4juvn9vk
Posted by: old chick at December 09, 2021 11:30 AM (sOete)
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Here's the thing about Trump...in spite of all these investigations, these never ending politically motivated investigations that turned up absolutely NOTHING what they did was to confirm that Trump was probably one of the, if not THE, cleanest F**KER to have ever been in the WH!
Oh sure he loved pretty ladies (and lets be honest, he has banged his fair share of pretty laaaaadies over the years) and he is crude and says whats on his mind BUT that is why people love him.
Lets look at his opposition, Democrats who actually are waging a war on women (by championing men to be able to compete as women and kill babies to their hearts content amongst other things).
There is literally no one else who can be trusted to put America first. The added bonus for there rest of the world is that America putting America first stops the globalists in their dirty rotten little commie tracks. AND that is good news for EVERYONE.
Oh sure he loved pretty ladies (and lets be honest, he has banged his fair share of pretty laaaaadies over the years) and he is crude and says whats on his mind BUT that is why people love him.
Lets look at his opposition, Democrats who actually are waging a war on women (by championing men to be able to compete as women and kill babies to their hearts content amongst other things).
There is literally no one else who can be trusted to put America first. The added bonus for there rest of the world is that America putting America first stops the globalists in their dirty rotten little commie tracks. AND that is good news for EVERYONE.
Posted by: Mailman at December 09, 2021 11:30 AM (w8zbF)
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I think you hit the nail on the gead. Well said.
Posted by: Jim at December 09, 2021 11:30 AM (2subk)
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Bush was Hitler.
Romney was Hitler.
McCain was Hitler.
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FFS people it goes all the way back to Reagan.
Posted by: But but but we need someone with more Couth at December 09, 2021 11:24 AM (lSr5H)
Exactly. From the perspective of drawing attacks, anybody we put up is going to draw all the attacks. The things that matter most are whether "our guy" - to the extent that any politician is truly "ours" is going to fight, and whether he's going to make avoidable mistakes.
Trump was brilliant on the fighting, but made a number of avoidable mistakes. A lot of his own appointments ended up stabbing him in the back. The real question is "can we do better" - the only other person we have anywhere near Trump's league is DeSantis.
We can argue about ideal candidates all we want, but at a certain point, we have to address the ones we actually have.
Romney was Hitler.
McCain was Hitler.
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FFS people it goes all the way back to Reagan.
Posted by: But but but we need someone with more Couth at December 09, 2021 11:24 AM (lSr5H)
Exactly. From the perspective of drawing attacks, anybody we put up is going to draw all the attacks. The things that matter most are whether "our guy" - to the extent that any politician is truly "ours" is going to fight, and whether he's going to make avoidable mistakes.
Trump was brilliant on the fighting, but made a number of avoidable mistakes. A lot of his own appointments ended up stabbing him in the back. The real question is "can we do better" - the only other person we have anywhere near Trump's league is DeSantis.
We can argue about ideal candidates all we want, but at a certain point, we have to address the ones we actually have.
Posted by: Cato, Post-Apocalyptic Scourge of the Seas at December 09, 2021 11:30 AM (Msrhc)
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I still contend Sundowner is only there to get SJW The Ho in the big chair
Posted by: Skip's Phone at December 09, 2021 11:30 AM (tDjbJ)
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Modern megacorps are insane. I'm watching an internal video advertisement for my own company in advance of an all-company meeting.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2021 11:30 AM (DU+/6)
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Trump/De Santis is constitutional a problem.
Currently, they both live in Florida.
Posted by: SMOD
Bing it. There's nothing barring them from being from the same state.
Currently, they both live in Florida.
Posted by: SMOD
Bing it. There's nothing barring them from being from the same state.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2021 11:30 AM (cQZxO)
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Just remember, pinning your hopes for salvation on any politician is a losing proposition.
That being said the Trump/DeSantis ticket is my dream. Don Jr. is good, but people still like seeing leaders with elected executive experience. I've been rethinking that but Trump's biggest failing for me was being a neophyte.
I do have to say I would love to see Speaker Trump presiding over Biden's impeachment, but the Swamp will never let that happen.
That being said the Trump/DeSantis ticket is my dream. Don Jr. is good, but people still like seeing leaders with elected executive experience. I've been rethinking that but Trump's biggest failing for me was being a neophyte.
I do have to say I would love to see Speaker Trump presiding over Biden's impeachment, but the Swamp will never let that happen.
Posted by: Iblis at December 09, 2021 11:30 AM (g6c4t)
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So what happens when the world doesn't "survive"? because I think that's the most likely outcome.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 09, 2021 11:23 AM (trdmm)
It depends where you are. China will be in an enviable position once they repudiate their debt. I think they're better off trying to subvert Taiwan through trade and culture only once America collapses. But it's not my circus, and they'll run whatever plan they have.
Canada is a country that values order, but will tear itself apart trying to stay intact. Likely it will be carved up by the warring American factions. The EU will collapse in flames, and I have no idea if rejuvenated nations or total anarchy will replace it.
But by far the worst of it will be suffered by the American suburbs. If they haven't prepared themselves for the collapse, they'd better have nice caskets picked out.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 09, 2021 11:23 AM (trdmm)
It depends where you are. China will be in an enviable position once they repudiate their debt. I think they're better off trying to subvert Taiwan through trade and culture only once America collapses. But it's not my circus, and they'll run whatever plan they have.
Canada is a country that values order, but will tear itself apart trying to stay intact. Likely it will be carved up by the warring American factions. The EU will collapse in flames, and I have no idea if rejuvenated nations or total anarchy will replace it.
But by far the worst of it will be suffered by the American suburbs. If they haven't prepared themselves for the collapse, they'd better have nice caskets picked out.
Posted by: trev006 at December 09, 2021 11:30 AM (Eqkqm)
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The Dems don't even know who their nominee will be.
Posted by: I guess I'll tell them at December 09, 2021 11:31 AM (vPAxF)
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So you wish to quit on your country.
Shame on you.
Posted by: irongrampa at December 09, 2021 11:25 AM (KATBx)
This is just hyper-emotional bullshit.
Shame on you.
Posted by: irongrampa at December 09, 2021 11:25 AM (KATBx)
This is just hyper-emotional bullshit.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2021 11:31 AM (Q9lwr)
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I disagree. Trump was a bull in a China shop. And that put people off at a visceral level. The mean tweet meme. It's stupid of course because shit like that shouldn't matter, but it does matter. Same policies of strong economic growth, energy independence, etc but offered in a "nicer" (for lack of a better word) way would have better results.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 09, 2021 11:23 AM (OalnH)
That 'bull in a china shop' analogy, while real enough for voters, was completely fabricated by the media. The 'mean tweets' we heard about were tweets that were truncated and spoonfed to the masses by the MSM. I doubt that one in 100 LIVs even had Trump's Twitter account to get that stuff directly from the guy himself. If you saw even half the flouncing from Trump's staff that you see from Kamala's today, I'd believe that bull stuff, but you just didn't. He's probably a pill to deal with on a personal level, but world leaders knew very well what they were getting with him, and they got it. If upsetting people's sinecures and rice bowls is bull in a china shop stuff, then let's have more of that, please.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 09, 2021 11:23 AM (OalnH)
That 'bull in a china shop' analogy, while real enough for voters, was completely fabricated by the media. The 'mean tweets' we heard about were tweets that were truncated and spoonfed to the masses by the MSM. I doubt that one in 100 LIVs even had Trump's Twitter account to get that stuff directly from the guy himself. If you saw even half the flouncing from Trump's staff that you see from Kamala's today, I'd believe that bull stuff, but you just didn't. He's probably a pill to deal with on a personal level, but world leaders knew very well what they were getting with him, and they got it. If upsetting people's sinecures and rice bowls is bull in a china shop stuff, then let's have more of that, please.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at December 09, 2021 11:31 AM (C61w6)
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This isn't an elementary school playground.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2021 11:29 AM (Q9lwr)
Shucks.....
*kicks rock*
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2021 11:29 AM (Q9lwr)
Shucks.....
*kicks rock*
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Jackson Sparks at December 09, 2021 11:31 AM (Zz0t1)
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Cool khakis, Sapwolf. Are those new??
Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at December 09, 2021 11:31 AM (UHVv4)
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Any Republican candidate to the right of Jeb! will be considered incredibly polarizing.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh
And if Jeb! gets the nomination HE will be considered incredibly polarizing.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 09, 2021 11:29 AM (63Dwl)
Yes.
And somehow I thought that people *here* would universally understand that.
Any Republican candidate to the right of Jeb! will be considered incredibly polarizing.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh
And if Jeb! gets the nomination HE will be considered incredibly polarizing.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 09, 2021 11:29 AM (63Dwl)
Yes.
And somehow I thought that people *here* would universally understand that.
Posted by: Synova at December 09, 2021 11:31 AM (BD/yx)
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Nah, I'll let it be.
Posted by: irright at December 09, 2021 11:31 AM (8rX4S)
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Rand is too short. He's only like 5 ft six. Short guys don't get elected President anymore.
Trump: He's taller.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative.....lost in a lost world at December 09, 2021 11:30 AM (vcOmj)
He just needs to wear Tom Cruise's shoes 24-7...
Trump: He's taller.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative.....lost in a lost world at December 09, 2021 11:30 AM (vcOmj)
He just needs to wear Tom Cruise's shoes 24-7...
Posted by: Nova local at December 09, 2021 11:31 AM (exHjb)
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Miss me yet?
Posted by: Jeb! at December 09, 2021 11:31 AM (a3Q+t)
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I agree with Punk Monkey...but, in my case, based mostly on Trump's age. He'll be, what, 82? I want a younger Trumpian candidate.
Posted by: FriscoYoda at December 09, 2021 11:32 AM (+56GQ)
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What I notice here and elsewhere from Trump die hards is the black and white choice. It's either Trump or a Jeb Bush. Which is a bullshit argument.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 09, 2021 11:32 AM (OalnH)
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Agreed. By this logic, we should find the biggest squish possible. They'll screw us every way possible, but hey, Mitch and Mittens will like them, and that's what really counts.
Trump 2024.
Posted by: Pennsyltucky at December 09, 2021 11:21 AM (lNHqD)
Amen, Brutha! Preach it!
Trump 2024.
Posted by: Pennsyltucky at December 09, 2021 11:21 AM (lNHqD)
Amen, Brutha! Preach it!
Posted by: I'm The Other White Meat at December 09, 2021 11:32 AM (Fs5vw)
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"
During that election season, my HS history teacher taught us that if Reagan won, he was going to take away women's right to vote and re-enslave black people. His exact words.
And that was in 1979. This indoctrination stuff started a long time ago."
Being of a similar vintage I remember this as well. It's not going to get better unless is gets worse. The right has perfected failure theater, and until we dare I say, purge, the most left of society, democracy is done for here.
One president's term isn't going to do it, it will take several to pull things back. PDT, is the first one, and there has to be others, but if he has to run just to inspire the next of his kind and expose the BS game of kingmaking, I'm in.
During that election season, my HS history teacher taught us that if Reagan won, he was going to take away women's right to vote and re-enslave black people. His exact words.
And that was in 1979. This indoctrination stuff started a long time ago."
Being of a similar vintage I remember this as well. It's not going to get better unless is gets worse. The right has perfected failure theater, and until we dare I say, purge, the most left of society, democracy is done for here.
One president's term isn't going to do it, it will take several to pull things back. PDT, is the first one, and there has to be others, but if he has to run just to inspire the next of his kind and expose the BS game of kingmaking, I'm in.
Posted by: IP at December 09, 2021 11:32 AM (SDdI7)
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Trump 2024. DeSantis his VP
The first 24 hours of firings will be BEAUTIFUL to watch!
The first 24 hours of firings will be BEAUTIFUL to watch!
Posted by: Gonzotx at December 09, 2021 11:32 AM (arxua)
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No. I want DeSantis to run and destroy whatever is left of the Democrat party. I want a 48 state blowout, with sweeps of state houses.
He can do it, but I don't think Trump can, even though I think Trump can probably win.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
If he does run, he needs to signal that RIGHT NOW. Because RIGHT NOW is when we Floridians need to find another Desantis to stop the next Gillum and keep Florida free and sane.
He can do it, but I don't think Trump can, even though I think Trump can probably win.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
If he does run, he needs to signal that RIGHT NOW. Because RIGHT NOW is when we Floridians need to find another Desantis to stop the next Gillum and keep Florida free and sane.
Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at December 09, 2021 11:32 AM (OssQ4)
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"oooh don't run Trump, you'll do so much better if you DON'T have any power and tough conservatives like DAN CRENSHAW and MITCH MCCONNELL have the reins."
You're such a snake CBD.
And to any members of the moron horde who catch this before it gets deleted, this is a first time nick because my old name was BANNED by Charlie Brown's shit-and-cum-covered Dildo for calling him out on being an obvious Judas Goat. But oooooooooh I'm the sockpuppet shill!!! Not the guy giving The Conservative Case for Trump Never Holding Office Again You Guys.
Ace is a saint but these cobs glow.
You're such a snake CBD.
And to any members of the moron horde who catch this before it gets deleted, this is a first time nick because my old name was BANNED by Charlie Brown's shit-and-cum-covered Dildo for calling him out on being an obvious Judas Goat. But oooooooooh I'm the sockpuppet shill!!! Not the guy giving The Conservative Case for Trump Never Holding Office Again You Guys.
Ace is a saint but these cobs glow.
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He can do it, but I don't think Trump can, even though I think Trump can probably win.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2021 11:26 AM (Q9lwr)
DeSantis is unproven, except on a state level. Yeah, he fights, and I like what he has done. He is unproven. The notion that he can do any better than Trump is unfounded wishcasting, IMO. I would support either as the nominee. I hope for Trump, and I will not deign to express my advice on how things should be done, except to express my policy preferences and a desire for a deep stage purge.
I believe he can learn from his mistakes, and I believe that he has earned a second bite at the apple.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2021 11:26 AM (Q9lwr)
DeSantis is unproven, except on a state level. Yeah, he fights, and I like what he has done. He is unproven. The notion that he can do any better than Trump is unfounded wishcasting, IMO. I would support either as the nominee. I hope for Trump, and I will not deign to express my advice on how things should be done, except to express my policy preferences and a desire for a deep stage purge.
I believe he can learn from his mistakes, and I believe that he has earned a second bite at the apple.
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The only other guy I can think of that really gets the America First ideology in Junior. We might overlooking him.
Posted by: lowandslow at December 09, 2021 11:32 AM (4thlk)
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For those arguing that the Dems will demonize ANY Republican, of course they will. That's not the point. The point is what will the non loony contingent do? Trump is probably unique in the level of spittle-flecked rage he can induce just by showing up. I suspect a lot of moderate Dems and independents would find it a lot easier to vote for DeSantis than for Trump. At the very least, they would be less motivated.
Posted by: pep at December 09, 2021 11:28 AM (ZsR3z)
That's the whole point. I know people who are normally sane that lose it the second Trump is brought up. They're 100% convinced of every bullet point, because they've never heard any different. Anybody else - anybody - is instantly deescalating the situation. Like a light switch. At worst, they wouldn't be motivated to vote, at best they realize 4 more years of the junta is a death sentence and pull the lever for an R. Assuming that is we don't have a Jeb! RINO foisted on us.
Posted by: pep at December 09, 2021 11:28 AM (ZsR3z)
That's the whole point. I know people who are normally sane that lose it the second Trump is brought up. They're 100% convinced of every bullet point, because they've never heard any different. Anybody else - anybody - is instantly deescalating the situation. Like a light switch. At worst, they wouldn't be motivated to vote, at best they realize 4 more years of the junta is a death sentence and pull the lever for an R. Assuming that is we don't have a Jeb! RINO foisted on us.
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Would seem weird for Trump to have to "pick" the Republican candidate. Dems would run with that story and lay it on the candidate as if he/she were Trump himself/herself.
If the candidate is to be Trumpian then Trump is he only person for the job. Trump would have to "excuse" himself from running not to have the conservative base say "fuck it".
If the candidate is to be Trumpian then Trump is he only person for the job. Trump would have to "excuse" himself from running not to have the conservative base say "fuck it".
Posted by: Silent at December 09, 2021 11:32 AM (CrU4U)
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Trump needs to do a lot better in his hiring practices, because far too many of his personnel decisions were absolute shit.
He also needs to get a copy of The Prince and immerse himself in it, stat:
"Hence it is to be remarked that, in seizing a state, the usurper ought to examine closely into all those injuries which it is necessary for him to inflict, and to do them all at one stroke so as not to have to repeat them daily; and thus by not unsettling men he will be able to reassure them, and win them to himself by benefits. He who does otherwise, either from timidity or evil advice, is always compelled to keep the knife in his hand; neither can he rely on his subjects, nor can they attach themselves to him, owing to their continued and repeated wrongs. For injuries ought to be done all at one time, so that, being tasted less, they offend less; benefits ought to be given little by little, so that the flavour of them may last longer."
He also needs to get a copy of The Prince and immerse himself in it, stat:
"Hence it is to be remarked that, in seizing a state, the usurper ought to examine closely into all those injuries which it is necessary for him to inflict, and to do them all at one stroke so as not to have to repeat them daily; and thus by not unsettling men he will be able to reassure them, and win them to himself by benefits. He who does otherwise, either from timidity or evil advice, is always compelled to keep the knife in his hand; neither can he rely on his subjects, nor can they attach themselves to him, owing to their continued and repeated wrongs. For injuries ought to be done all at one time, so that, being tasted less, they offend less; benefits ought to be given little by little, so that the flavour of them may last longer."
Posted by: Biden Stercore in eius braccae at December 09, 2021 11:32 AM (KX4VP)
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I saw Nail on the Gead open for Nine Inch Nails at The Curtain Club in '91.
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Also, I think a DeSantis would be less likely to appoint damaged or misleading political operatives to positions of importance and Trump did in his naivetof DC politics.
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Other than wishful thinking, what is the basis for this?
What does being the governor of Florida do for you when it comes to knowing DC insiders?
Face it. He will have the same problems as Trump in that regard. Except, Trump already has four years of knowing who and how he got screwed. You are literally discounting that experience in favor of wishful thinking.
I get that you are afraid of Trump II impeachment boogaloo. But they are going to do the same shit to ANYONE who isn't in the deep state.
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Other than wishful thinking, what is the basis for this?
What does being the governor of Florida do for you when it comes to knowing DC insiders?
Face it. He will have the same problems as Trump in that regard. Except, Trump already has four years of knowing who and how he got screwed. You are literally discounting that experience in favor of wishful thinking.
I get that you are afraid of Trump II impeachment boogaloo. But they are going to do the same shit to ANYONE who isn't in the deep state.
Posted by: But but but we need someone with more Couth at December 09, 2021 11:33 AM (bEVab)
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I almost never join political threads. But my main sticking point with PDT is his age. He's younger than FJB, but not by much. And the older ones gets, the more quickly one's health can deteriorate.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Trying not to piss off Krampus at December 09, 2021 11:26 AM (xPJvm)
I agree with this. He's a beast, but he's still going to be, what, 78 years old at the next election?
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Trying not to piss off Krampus at December 09, 2021 11:26 AM (xPJvm)
I agree with this. He's a beast, but he's still going to be, what, 78 years old at the next election?
Posted by: Jordan61 at December 09, 2021 11:33 AM (Ez6QX)
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I would be pretty intrigued if Tucker showed up in a GOP Primary Debate.
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And to any members of the moron horde who catch this before it gets deleted, this is a first time nick because my old name was BANNED by Charlie Brown's shit-and-cum-covered Dildo for calling him out on being an obvious Judas Goat. But oooooooooh I'm the sockpuppet shill!!! Not the guy giving The Conservative Case for Trump Never Holding Office Again You Guys.
I hope he leaves it up. It does not reflect well on you.
I hope he leaves it up. It does not reflect well on you.
Posted by: pep at December 09, 2021 11:33 AM (ZsR3z)
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Bing it. There's nothing barring them from being from the same state.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2021 11:30 AM (cQZxO)
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A state cannot give their votes to both the pres and vp if they are both from that state. So worst case scenario, Trump gets the votes for pres but DeSantis doesn't get it for VP. Which ends up with President Trump and VP Harris. LOL
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2021 11:30 AM (cQZxO)
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A state cannot give their votes to both the pres and vp if they are both from that state. So worst case scenario, Trump gets the votes for pres but DeSantis doesn't get it for VP. Which ends up with President Trump and VP Harris. LOL
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 09, 2021 11:34 AM (OalnH)
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What I notice here and elsewhere from Trump die hards is the black and white choice. It's either Trump or a Jeb Bush. Which is a bullshit argument.
Posted by: Joe XiDen
Then name names. Who stacks up and meets the requirements?
Posted by: Joe XiDen
Then name names. Who stacks up and meets the requirements?
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Even at the peak of Bu$h McHitler Dem hysteria, it was nowhere near the level of Trump hatred. People hated Bush sure. But it didn't get them into a frothing at the mouth madness the way Trump did. And most importantly, Bush won re-election.
Posted by: Joe XiDe
Yes, b/c every election the left has to ratchet it up more. Bush I was more "hitler" than RR. Bush II was more "hitler" than Bush I. The hysteria gets worse every 4 years. Exactly my point.
which is why your point doesn't make sense. DeSantis will be treated as bad (or more likely worse) than Trump. Your fantasy that they will give him a fair shake b/c he doesn't do mean tweets is just that - a fantasy.
Posted by: Joe XiDe
Yes, b/c every election the left has to ratchet it up more. Bush I was more "hitler" than RR. Bush II was more "hitler" than Bush I. The hysteria gets worse every 4 years. Exactly my point.
which is why your point doesn't make sense. DeSantis will be treated as bad (or more likely worse) than Trump. Your fantasy that they will give him a fair shake b/c he doesn't do mean tweets is just that - a fantasy.
Posted by: Mehive at December 09, 2021 11:34 AM (ky+MF)
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This isn't an elementary school playground.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2021 11:29 AM (Q9lwr)
*looks up*
*stops chasing girls and pulling their pigtails*
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2021 11:29 AM (Q9lwr)
*looks up*
*stops chasing girls and pulling their pigtails*
Posted by: flounder at December 09, 2021 11:34 AM (SH2Zi)
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Bush was Hitler.
Romney was Hitler.
McCain was Hitler.
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FFS people it goes all the way back to Reagan.
There wasn't a whole lotta love for Nixon either.
Bush was Hitler.
Romney was Hitler.
McCain was Hitler.
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FFS people it goes all the way back to Reagan.
There wasn't a whole lotta love for Nixon either.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 09, 2021 11:34 AM (63Dwl)
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I suspect a lot of moderate Dems and independents would find it a lot easier to vote for DeSantis than for Trump. At the very least, they would be less motivated.
Posted by: pep at December 09, 2021 11:28 AM (ZsR3z)
Are we ignoring the fact that Trump did actually get Dem crossover votes?
Posted by: pep at December 09, 2021 11:28 AM (ZsR3z)
Are we ignoring the fact that Trump did actually get Dem crossover votes?
Posted by: Inogame X-State Lines at December 09, 2021 11:34 AM (53oGX)
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I hope he leaves it up. It does not reflect well on you.
Posted by: pep at December 09, 2021 11:33 AM (ZsR3z)
As long as there's some reflection going on around here.
Posted by: pep at December 09, 2021 11:33 AM (ZsR3z)
As long as there's some reflection going on around here.
Posted by: Coast of Gary at December 09, 2021 11:35 AM (g23nb)
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Trump already has four years of knowing who and how he got screwed.
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He should have known this after 4 months. And yet he still spent the next 4 years hiring shitty backstabbing people. He didn't learn shit.
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He should have known this after 4 months. And yet he still spent the next 4 years hiring shitty backstabbing people. He didn't learn shit.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 09, 2021 11:35 AM (OalnH)
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"Don't run, Mr. Trump."
Couldn't. Agree. More. Loved the accomplishments of his presidency, but it came at a cost. We really need surgical precision, not carpet bombing. And some of the people around and in his administration really weren't vetted for assisting in the restoration of constitutional governance. We can not allow this to happen again.
Real talk: we need a network of bottom up patriots who believe in the rule of law, and must purge the leftists and statists from the ranks of the unelected in government. Help will NOT come from the top down nationally. Trump the king maker is helpful, but as a candidate, not so much.
Couldn't. Agree. More. Loved the accomplishments of his presidency, but it came at a cost. We really need surgical precision, not carpet bombing. And some of the people around and in his administration really weren't vetted for assisting in the restoration of constitutional governance. We can not allow this to happen again.
Real talk: we need a network of bottom up patriots who believe in the rule of law, and must purge the leftists and statists from the ranks of the unelected in government. Help will NOT come from the top down nationally. Trump the king maker is helpful, but as a candidate, not so much.
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And why would you waste DeSantis as VP? If he comes into a Trump administration, it should be a position with some real power.
Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at December 09, 2021 11:35 AM (5HBd1)
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I agree with this editorial. Not wanting Trump for 2024 is not the same as being a NeverTrumper. I honestly don't think a single poster here "today" wanted Trump to lose either election.
Trump giving a speech at a rally and Trump actually governing were two very different things.
I think Trump blew it on a lot of levels. I understand there LOTS of mitigating circumstances, but I'll be rolling the dice on someone else.
If Trump runs again though, any "good" conservative like DeSantis probably backs out.
Trump giving a speech at a rally and Trump actually governing were two very different things.
I think Trump blew it on a lot of levels. I understand there LOTS of mitigating circumstances, but I'll be rolling the dice on someone else.
If Trump runs again though, any "good" conservative like DeSantis probably backs out.
Posted by: Blago at December 09, 2021 11:35 AM (PwNLq)
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Are we ignoring the fact that Trump did actually get Dem crossover votes?
Posted by: Inogame X-State Lines at December 09, 2021 11:34 AM (53oGX)
Seems a lot are.
Posted by: Inogame X-State Lines at December 09, 2021 11:34 AM (53oGX)
Seems a lot are.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 09, 2021 11:35 AM (DgLeA)
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"only Trump has the power to energize the Democrats."
But Trump standing down might motivate them just as much, maybe more. It would be a huge win, "the enemy is destroyed, our Great New Society is almost complete, once more into the breach brave comrades".
But Trump standing down might motivate them just as much, maybe more. It would be a huge win, "the enemy is destroyed, our Great New Society is almost complete, once more into the breach brave comrades".
Posted by: illiniwek at December 09, 2021 11:35 AM (Cus5s)
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The point is what will the non loony contingent do? Trump is probably unique in the level of spittle-flecked rage he can induce just by showing up.
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Did you not see what happened with Brett Kavanaugh?
Spittle flecked rage alright.
Wake up. There is no WAY to get what you want without getting spittle flecked rage in opposition. You are dealing with demons.
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Did you not see what happened with Brett Kavanaugh?
Spittle flecked rage alright.
Wake up. There is no WAY to get what you want without getting spittle flecked rage in opposition. You are dealing with demons.
Posted by: But but but we need someone with more Couth at December 09, 2021 11:35 AM (zCU/K)
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even though I think Trump can probably win.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2021 11:26 AM (Q9lwr)
Nothing else matters.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2021 11:26 AM (Q9lwr)
Nothing else matters.
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People hated Bush sure. But it didn't get them into a frothing at the mouth madness the way Trump did.
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Frothing at the mouth madness is now the DNC-MSM standard.
People hated Bush sure. But it didn't get them into a frothing at the mouth madness the way Trump did.
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Frothing at the mouth madness is now the DNC-MSM standard.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 09, 2021 11:36 AM (/U27+)
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But in terms of an executive branch leadership turnover, that's not relevant until after the midterms regardless. He could run or not run, stay out or work behind the scenes, whatever - it doesn't matter until early or mid '23 at the earliest.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2021 11:21 AM (DU+/6)
Funny you speak about leadership turnover: DOCTOR Jill and Harris are close to open war with each other. There is some possibility that neither Biden nor Harris will have executive positions in 2023. You'd have to go back to Nixon/ Agnew to see anything like it.
This is a primary reason Trump took the 2016 primary. He understood that the ride never ends, and that the front line is everywhere.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2021 11:21 AM (DU+/6)
Funny you speak about leadership turnover: DOCTOR Jill and Harris are close to open war with each other. There is some possibility that neither Biden nor Harris will have executive positions in 2023. You'd have to go back to Nixon/ Agnew to see anything like it.
This is a primary reason Trump took the 2016 primary. He understood that the ride never ends, and that the front line is everywhere.
Posted by: trev006 at December 09, 2021 11:36 AM (Eqkqm)
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Nail on the Gead was da bomb.
Posted by: Just sayin' at December 09, 2021 11:37 AM (jYQlA)
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I'm sure the glowie name is going to come at me eventually for saying roughly the same thing as the actual glowies, but **** it, we are fighting for our lives.
I'm not talking about real war with weapons and dead bodies (yet). I just want someone running for President who's willing to say, "The so-called Dr. Fauci is a megalomaniac who has murdered hundreds of thousands of people so he could win the accolades of media and academic folk who wouldn't hesitate to usher in the Great Reset and have all of us eating bugs. I will not rest until he's tried for crimes against humanity."
Really. It's not that hard to say. You'll be called all sorts of nasty things, but if you're too scared of that to call out reality, you are far too much of a cuck to be seriously taken for office.
I'm not talking about real war with weapons and dead bodies (yet). I just want someone running for President who's willing to say, "The so-called Dr. Fauci is a megalomaniac who has murdered hundreds of thousands of people so he could win the accolades of media and academic folk who wouldn't hesitate to usher in the Great Reset and have all of us eating bugs. I will not rest until he's tried for crimes against humanity."
Really. It's not that hard to say. You'll be called all sorts of nasty things, but if you're too scared of that to call out reality, you are far too much of a cuck to be seriously taken for office.
Posted by: Homer's Donuts at December 09, 2021 11:37 AM (BCSAN)
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DeSantis is unproven, except on a state level. Yeah, he fights, and I like what he has done. He is unproven. The notion that he can do any better than Trump is unfounded wishcasting, IMO. I would support either as the nominee. I hope for Trump, and I will not deign to express my advice on how things should be done, except to express my policy preferences and a desire for a deep stage purge.
I believe he can learn from his mistakes, and I believe that he has earned a second bite at the apple.
Posted by: flounder at December 09, 2021 11:32 AM (SH2Zi)
This. Oh, and that he actually won the 2020 election is a pretty big factor as well. Millions of people believe that, and this is plenty of motivation all by itself.
I believe he can learn from his mistakes, and I believe that he has earned a second bite at the apple.
Posted by: flounder at December 09, 2021 11:32 AM (SH2Zi)
This. Oh, and that he actually won the 2020 election is a pretty big factor as well. Millions of people believe that, and this is plenty of motivation all by itself.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at December 09, 2021 11:37 AM (C61w6)
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I believe he can learn from his mistakes, and I believe that he has earned a second bite at the apple.
Posted by: flounder at December 09, 2021 11:32 AM (SH2Zi)
The one thing that Trump might be capable of that DeSantis isn't - is 4 years of planning and arranging a real inner circle. Trump can actually afford to payroll something that would free him from the swamp entirely. No other regular politician can do that. I have little doubt that DeSantis would face the same problems.
Remember when everybody thought that Sessions was an awesome pick? For about a week? And that Barr would surely step up to the plate? Just multiply that by 1,000. As far as I'm concerned, 99.9% of DC is swamp sleeper cells.
Posted by: flounder at December 09, 2021 11:32 AM (SH2Zi)
The one thing that Trump might be capable of that DeSantis isn't - is 4 years of planning and arranging a real inner circle. Trump can actually afford to payroll something that would free him from the swamp entirely. No other regular politician can do that. I have little doubt that DeSantis would face the same problems.
Remember when everybody thought that Sessions was an awesome pick? For about a week? And that Barr would surely step up to the plate? Just multiply that by 1,000. As far as I'm concerned, 99.9% of DC is swamp sleeper cells.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at December 09, 2021 11:37 AM (wAnMi)
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I don't think you guys that think we need to choose a candidates that won't energize or upset the democrats have really thought this through.
The feeling of the left should not even be part of your considerations.
The feeling of the left should not even be part of your considerations.
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227 I would be pretty intrigued if Tucker showed up in a GOP Primary Debate.
Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at December 09, 2021 11:33 AM (sGnvY)
While I love Tucker, for any media types, I can't get past "are they saying this b/c they believe it or b/c they know it will make them a ton of money"...we've had so many "conservative" media stars as the latter, I just can't ever have them as my 1st choice...the flips have been too many, too fast when the dollar was just a little shinier on the other side...
Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at December 09, 2021 11:33 AM (sGnvY)
While I love Tucker, for any media types, I can't get past "are they saying this b/c they believe it or b/c they know it will make them a ton of money"...we've had so many "conservative" media stars as the latter, I just can't ever have them as my 1st choice...the flips have been too many, too fast when the dollar was just a little shinier on the other side...
Posted by: Nova local at December 09, 2021 11:37 AM (exHjb)
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Mister we could use a man like Herbert Hoover again.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 09, 2021 11:37 AM (SO3EB)
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I believe he can learn from his mistakes, and I believe that he has earned a second bite at the apple.
Posted by: flounder at December 09, 2021 11:32 AM (SH2Zi)
I agree partly with the first, and wholeheartedly with the second.
But I think DeSantis would be a better choice.
That being said, if Trump wins the nomination I will be a full-throated supporter. I will do whatever I can to help.
Posted by: flounder at December 09, 2021 11:32 AM (SH2Zi)
I agree partly with the first, and wholeheartedly with the second.
But I think DeSantis would be a better choice.
That being said, if Trump wins the nomination I will be a full-throated supporter. I will do whatever I can to help.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2021 11:37 AM (Q9lwr)
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Think I'll step out of this thread. People are crapping into their hand and flinging.
Congrats to Sponge on that moonshine. I haz envy.
Congrats to Sponge on that moonshine. I haz envy.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, load and make ready at December 09, 2021 11:37 AM (V6f9+)
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I also think Trump/DeSantis is the best option for 2024. Trump isn't perfect, but he's better than most choices and DeSantis being the VP will give him some exposure to the office that will help in 2028 and help overcome any doubts about whether he's ready to go national.
Posted by: Cato, Post-Apocalyptic Scourge of the Seas at December 09, 2021 11:37 AM (Msrhc)
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If Trump runs again though, any "good" conservative like DeSantis probably backs out.
Posted by: Blago at Decembe
Correct.
If he runs he's unstoppable in the Primary.
Posted by: Blago at Decembe
Correct.
If he runs he's unstoppable in the Primary.
Posted by: I guess I'll tell them at December 09, 2021 11:37 AM (mXvII)
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And why would you waste DeSantis as VP? If he comes into a Trump administration, it should be a position with some real power.
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Trump needs impeachment insurance as a VP. Pence was not it. (Biggest tell that he was really deep state.) Trump absolutely needs someone who is ANATHEMA to the deeps state.
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Trump needs impeachment insurance as a VP. Pence was not it. (Biggest tell that he was really deep state.) Trump absolutely needs someone who is ANATHEMA to the deeps state.
Posted by: But but but we need someone with more Couth at December 09, 2021 11:38 AM (VtB7b)
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Pity there's no math on the blog, or I could run the numbers and postulate about running Kyle Rittenhouse soon after he turns 35 y/o.
Calm, cool under pressure, under fire, under cross-examination. And umpteen years from now, with more experience, knowledge, accumulated wisdom and such, I'll postulate that he'll be even more formidable then, than now.
Bonus. He'd drive the left even moar batshit crazy than even their 2020 riots peak batshit crazy.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Calm, cool under pressure, under fire, under cross-examination. And umpteen years from now, with more experience, knowledge, accumulated wisdom and such, I'll postulate that he'll be even more formidable then, than now.
Bonus. He'd drive the left even moar batshit crazy than even their 2020 riots peak batshit crazy.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at December 09, 2021 11:38 AM (QzJWU)
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which is why your point doesn't make sense. DeSantis will be treated as bad (or more likely worse) than Trump. Your fantasy that they will give him a fair shake b/c he doesn't do mean tweets is just that - a fantasy.
Read what was written. He will be treated as bad, or worse (if that's metaphysically possible). It's the same playbook as McAuliffe used in VA. The issue isn't whether they'll run that playbook, because they will, it's will it work. I predict it won't. It's old, tired, and stupid, and there are lots of people in the persuadable middle who wouldn't buy it for DeSantis, but would for Trump.
Read what was written. He will be treated as bad, or worse (if that's metaphysically possible). It's the same playbook as McAuliffe used in VA. The issue isn't whether they'll run that playbook, because they will, it's will it work. I predict it won't. It's old, tired, and stupid, and there are lots of people in the persuadable middle who wouldn't buy it for DeSantis, but would for Trump.
Posted by: pep at December 09, 2021 11:38 AM (ZsR3z)
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Congrats to Sponge on that moonshine. I haz envy.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, load and make ready at December 09, 2021 11:37 AM (V6f9+)
*fistbump*
Congrats to Sponge on that moonshine. I haz envy.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, load and make ready at December 09, 2021 11:37 AM (V6f9+)
*fistbump*
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Blaring headline on the Youtube constant COVID coverage " Pfizer: Booster will neutralize Omicron"
Hmmm I'm seeing a cash cow setup with " boosters" for every variant
Hmmm I'm seeing a cash cow setup with " boosters" for every variant
Posted by: steevy at December 09, 2021 11:38 AM (CYnTg)
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People hated Bush sure. But it didn't get them into a frothing at the mouth madness the way Trump did.
They can control Mittens, Jeb, and the rest of the fucksticks in the GOPe. Trump-not so much.
They can control Mittens, Jeb, and the rest of the fucksticks in the GOPe. Trump-not so much.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 09, 2021 11:38 AM (DgLeA)
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Trump took the 2016 primary because he was going to build a wall and make Mexico pay for it. Illegal immigration would be stopped in its tracks.
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227 I would be pretty intrigued if Tucker showed up in a GOP Primary Debate.
Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at December 09, 2021 11:33 AM (sGnvY)
Tucker talks a good game now, but if you want a definition of "Establishment" he's it. There's a reason Rush called him "Chatsworth Osgood the Third"
Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at December 09, 2021 11:33 AM (sGnvY)
Tucker talks a good game now, but if you want a definition of "Establishment" he's it. There's a reason Rush called him "Chatsworth Osgood the Third"
Posted by: Iblis at December 09, 2021 11:38 AM (g6c4t)
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I have never been a true Trump supporter, so naturally I hope he doesn't run again. (I did contribute money to him in 2020 and voted for him, but I did not vote in 2016.) I'm glad he beat Hillary, and I'm thankful for the composition of the Supreme Court that resulted.
Aside from the reservations I had in 2016, however, his term evidenced that an inability to get much of his agenda passed and to staff his administration with the people he needed to succeed. He will be quite old in 2024--certainly too old to run for re-election in 2028, which, even should he win, makes him a lame duck from the start.
Democrats are going to Democrat no matter who the Republicans nominate, and so that can't weigh too much in the Republican choice. But a lot of nonpartisans were tired of Trump by the end and are still tired of him. Anecdotally, I know people who never voted before but registered to vote against him. I doubt very much that all those Biden votes were legitimate, particularly in the close states, but it's difficult to believe that Trump won the popular vote in either election against two terrible Democrats.
Unless something changes my mind, I'm all in for DeSantis.
Aside from the reservations I had in 2016, however, his term evidenced that an inability to get much of his agenda passed and to staff his administration with the people he needed to succeed. He will be quite old in 2024--certainly too old to run for re-election in 2028, which, even should he win, makes him a lame duck from the start.
Democrats are going to Democrat no matter who the Republicans nominate, and so that can't weigh too much in the Republican choice. But a lot of nonpartisans were tired of Trump by the end and are still tired of him. Anecdotally, I know people who never voted before but registered to vote against him. I doubt very much that all those Biden votes were legitimate, particularly in the close states, but it's difficult to believe that Trump won the popular vote in either election against two terrible Democrats.
Unless something changes my mind, I'm all in for DeSantis.
Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at December 09, 2021 11:38 AM (WWwOp)
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DeSantis dies not need Trump.
Posted by: runner at December 09, 2021 11:38 AM (faqzI)
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Anyone that runs as an R will be savaged by the Dims so might as well have one that throws their shit back at them. Hope he's learned to fire RINOs immediately.
Posted by: Dingbat at December 09, 2021 11:38 AM (rNXR7)
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213 What I notice here and elsewhere from Trump die hards is the black and white choice. It's either Trump or a Jeb Bush. Which is a bullshit argument.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 09, 2021 11:32 AM (OalnH)
The bullshit argument is that someone else would be treated differently than Trump, no matter who it is.
I think that Trump is legitimately too old. But anyone, absolutely ANYONE that runs, will get the Trump treatment in 2024. Consider that in 2016 Trump was the LEAST terrifying of Republican candidates. I was told exactly that. But he didn't have the good sense to lose, did he.
No one can control the left-wing crazy train from lying. It doesn't matter who they lie about. They turned Kavanaugh into a sex crazed crazy man. They can turn anyone into a monster.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 09, 2021 11:32 AM (OalnH)
The bullshit argument is that someone else would be treated differently than Trump, no matter who it is.
I think that Trump is legitimately too old. But anyone, absolutely ANYONE that runs, will get the Trump treatment in 2024. Consider that in 2016 Trump was the LEAST terrifying of Republican candidates. I was told exactly that. But he didn't have the good sense to lose, did he.
No one can control the left-wing crazy train from lying. It doesn't matter who they lie about. They turned Kavanaugh into a sex crazed crazy man. They can turn anyone into a monster.
Posted by: Synova at December 09, 2021 11:38 AM (BD/yx)
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Would seem weird for Trump to have to "pick" the Republican candidate. Dems would run with that story and lay it on the candidate as if he/she were Trump himself/herself.
If the candidate is to be Trumpian then Trump is he only person for the job. Trump would have to "excuse" himself from running not to have the conservative base say "fuck it".
Posted by: Silent at December 09, 2021 11:32 AM
No matter who runs the left will attack that person as a Trump clone. 2024 and 2022 are all going to be about Trump it is inevitable. It's literally all they have. They most certainly can't run on their record.
If the candidate is to be Trumpian then Trump is he only person for the job. Trump would have to "excuse" himself from running not to have the conservative base say "fuck it".
Posted by: Silent at December 09, 2021 11:32 AM
No matter who runs the left will attack that person as a Trump clone. 2024 and 2022 are all going to be about Trump it is inevitable. It's literally all they have. They most certainly can't run on their record.
Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at December 09, 2021 11:39 AM (bVYXr)
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Trump's age may prove to be a problem, but if he decides to run in 2024 (I expect he will), he will be the nominee.
The entire democrat apparatus is about will to power. No matter who the GOP puts up there, they will be Hitler, or worse.
Trump as a candidate, and as a president, is and remains flawed. Perhaps DeSantis (or someone else) would do a better job. But Trump may be the only candidate who can bring in the blue-collar MAGA voters the GOP needs and complete the realignment.
The entire democrat apparatus is about will to power. No matter who the GOP puts up there, they will be Hitler, or worse.
Trump as a candidate, and as a president, is and remains flawed. Perhaps DeSantis (or someone else) would do a better job. But Trump may be the only candidate who can bring in the blue-collar MAGA voters the GOP needs and complete the realignment.
Posted by: Revenant at December 09, 2021 11:39 AM (C35Jn)
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Who hacked CBD's account? This post reeks of GOPe.
Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at December 09, 2021 11:39 AM (Hh3y4)
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Tap the strategic wind reserve now!
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I dunno, I think there was quite a bit of mouth frothing over GW. It's just easier to remember the way it was with Trump
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The real question is if not DeSantis, who?
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at December 09, 2021 11:23 AM (wAnMi)
They're gonna be little toddlers about whomever. Why not keep DeathSantis where he is and oush MRG in as potus. She's shown she gives a shit.
The real question is if not DeSantis, who?
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at December 09, 2021 11:23 AM (wAnMi)
They're gonna be little toddlers about whomever. Why not keep DeathSantis where he is and oush MRG in as potus. She's shown she gives a shit.
Posted by: BifBewalski @ (IJES/) - at December 09, 2021 11:39 AM (IJES/)
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The one thing that Trump might be capable of that DeSantis isn't - is 4 years of planning and arranging a real inner circle. Trump can actually afford to payroll something that would free him from the swamp entirely.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at December 09, 2021 11:37 AM (wAnMi)
He needs to ditch ALL his lawyers *first*. There are a bunch of really competent ones who are ready willing and able to stand up. If he hasn't fixed this problem by next summer then I might be persuaded by Herr Dildo.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at December 09, 2021 11:37 AM (wAnMi)
He needs to ditch ALL his lawyers *first*. There are a bunch of really competent ones who are ready willing and able to stand up. If he hasn't fixed this problem by next summer then I might be persuaded by Herr Dildo.
Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know at December 09, 2021 11:40 AM (nLrWw)
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I would tell Trump to run with the announced intention that he will resign two years and a day into his second term. He'll be turning 80 that year. That would allow his VP (Hopefully De Santis!) to potentially have a ten year term. Trump then still plays kingmaker, but also gets his ego massaged.
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@262
>>Blaring headline on the Youtube constant COVID coverage " Pfizer: Booster will neutralize Omicron"
Which Omicron, the original Omicron or Omicron's sister?
Or alternatively...
A biomedical fascistic regime is no way to organize life.
>>Blaring headline on the Youtube constant COVID coverage " Pfizer: Booster will neutralize Omicron"
Which Omicron, the original Omicron or Omicron's sister?
Or alternatively...
A biomedical fascistic regime is no way to organize life.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 09, 2021 11:40 AM (SO3EB)
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That's the whole point. I know people who are normally sane that lose it the second Trump is brought up. They're 100% convinced of every bullet point, because they've never heard any different. Anybody else - anybody - is instantly deescalating the situation. Like a light switch. At worst, they wouldn't be motivated to vote, at best they realize 4 more years of the junta is a death sentence and pull the lever for an R. Assuming that is we don't have a Jeb! RINO foisted on us.
Posted by: clutch cargo
And how are these "sane" people going to react when Desantis is treated the same or worse than Trump? If they get their news solely from MSM (even Fox), they are going to be told Desantis is a) an idiot, b) incompetent, c) racist, d) homophobic, e) wants to kill old people, etc.
I honestly don't understand this fantasy that some other conservative pursuing the same policies as Trump is going to get better/fairer treatment from the media/left/GOP-establishment. Look at how the media treats any conservative group that tries to put out content.
This is 1980's thinking - that we can "get along" and there's a fair playing field.
Posted by: clutch cargo
And how are these "sane" people going to react when Desantis is treated the same or worse than Trump? If they get their news solely from MSM (even Fox), they are going to be told Desantis is a) an idiot, b) incompetent, c) racist, d) homophobic, e) wants to kill old people, etc.
I honestly don't understand this fantasy that some other conservative pursuing the same policies as Trump is going to get better/fairer treatment from the media/left/GOP-establishment. Look at how the media treats any conservative group that tries to put out content.
This is 1980's thinking - that we can "get along" and there's a fair playing field.
Posted by: Mehive at December 09, 2021 11:40 AM (ky+MF)
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Trump took the 2016 primary because he was going to build a wall and make Mexico pay for it. Illegal immigration would be stopped in its tracks.
Posted by: Just a side note at December 09, 2021 11:38 AM (VJ4aP)
I think that would withstand just about any analysis.
Posted by: Just a side note at December 09, 2021 11:38 AM (VJ4aP)
I think that would withstand just about any analysis.
Posted by: BignJames at December 09, 2021 11:40 AM (AwYPR)
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The feeling of the left should not even be part of your considerations.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 09, 2021 11:37 AM (Y5qcH)
I could give a shit whether or not they actually have feelings as humans understand them, the only consideration should be whether the executive has the awareness to know who in his circle is infected with commie and is he willing to cauterize the infection. Trump did not and would not.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 09, 2021 11:37 AM (Y5qcH)
I could give a shit whether or not they actually have feelings as humans understand them, the only consideration should be whether the executive has the awareness to know who in his circle is infected with commie and is he willing to cauterize the infection. Trump did not and would not.
Posted by: hogmartin at December 09, 2021 11:41 AM (P4LRL)
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The left calls DeSantis "DeathSantis" while giving a pass to Andrew Cuomo. You don't think they'll demonize him the exact same way they demonized Trump?
Posted by: pete at December 09, 2021 11:41 AM (7qEST)
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226 I almost never join political threads. But my main sticking point with PDT is his age. He's younger than FJB, but not by much. And the older ones gets, the more quickly one's health can deteriorate.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Trying not to piss off Krampus at December 09, 2021 11:26 AM (xPJvm)
I agree with this. He's a beast, but he's still going to be, what, 78 years old at the next election?
Posted by: Jordan61 at December 09, 2021 11:33 AM (Ez6QX)
This is a valid point, but consider this: Trump actually looked younger after four years in office than Biden does, or Obama or W did. The man thrives on conflict, and seems to get energized around negativity. He's unique in that regard.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Trying not to piss off Krampus at December 09, 2021 11:26 AM (xPJvm)
I agree with this. He's a beast, but he's still going to be, what, 78 years old at the next election?
Posted by: Jordan61 at December 09, 2021 11:33 AM (Ez6QX)
This is a valid point, but consider this: Trump actually looked younger after four years in office than Biden does, or Obama or W did. The man thrives on conflict, and seems to get energized around negativity. He's unique in that regard.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at December 09, 2021 11:41 AM (C61w6)
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FFS people it goes all the way back to Reagan. He was a crazy cowboy actor that was going to start WWIII. Do you not remember? Star Wars is a disaster REEEEE!!! Just the idea of it broke the Soviets. Just the IDEA. Not a shot fired. WTF else do you people need to hear?
There is a deep state. It has one plan. It works every Fcukin' time with two exceptions. Why should they change it when even "stalwart convservatives" buy the media's spin.
Posted by: But but but we need someone with more Couth at December 09, 2021 11:24 AM (lSr5H)
IIRC, Truman called Eisenhower Hitler. So it goes that far back of all Republicans running for President being Hitler.
There is a deep state. It has one plan. It works every Fcukin' time with two exceptions. Why should they change it when even "stalwart convservatives" buy the media's spin.
Posted by: But but but we need someone with more Couth at December 09, 2021 11:24 AM (lSr5H)
IIRC, Truman called Eisenhower Hitler. So it goes that far back of all Republicans running for President being Hitler.
Posted by: Beartooth at December 09, 2021 11:41 AM (aghXp)
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I think that Trump is legitimately too old. But anyone, absolutely ANYONE that runs, will get the Trump treatment in 2024. Consider that in 2016 Trump was the LEAST terrifying of Republican candidates. I was told exactly that. But he didn't have the good sense to lose, did he.
No one can control the left-wing crazy train from lying. It doesn't matter who they lie about. They turned Kavanaugh into a sex crazed crazy man. They can turn anyone into a monster.
Posted by: Synova at December 09, 2021 11:38 AM (BD/yx)
Very well said. No matter what, they lie, cheat, steal, gaslight, and smear. It's just who they are.
No one can control the left-wing crazy train from lying. It doesn't matter who they lie about. They turned Kavanaugh into a sex crazed crazy man. They can turn anyone into a monster.
Posted by: Synova at December 09, 2021 11:38 AM (BD/yx)
Very well said. No matter what, they lie, cheat, steal, gaslight, and smear. It's just who they are.
Posted by: Cato, Post-Apocalyptic Scourge of the Seas at December 09, 2021 11:41 AM (Msrhc)
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No, CBD--there is no "hyperemotional bullshit" and I'm offended you consider my stance to be so.
What those of us who fight do is merely continuing the struggle of the men and women who came before to ensure this most exceptional nation endures.
It's part of our heritage and must never be allowed to wither and die.
What those of us who fight do is merely continuing the struggle of the men and women who came before to ensure this most exceptional nation endures.
It's part of our heritage and must never be allowed to wither and die.
Posted by: irongrampa at December 09, 2021 11:41 AM (KATBx)
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2024--certainly too old to run for re-election in 2028, which, even should he win, makes him a lame duck from the start.
Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at December 09, 2021 11:38 AM (WWwOp)
1) If Donald Trump wins a second term, it would have to be his last barring the end of the Constitution.
2) No President with the resolve to do what is necessary will be a lame duck in the fourth year, never mind the first.
Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at December 09, 2021 11:38 AM (WWwOp)
1) If Donald Trump wins a second term, it would have to be his last barring the end of the Constitution.
2) No President with the resolve to do what is necessary will be a lame duck in the fourth year, never mind the first.
Posted by: trev006 at December 09, 2021 11:41 AM (Eqkqm)
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"you are an incredibly polarizing figure, and any chance, remote as it may seem now, for some sort of reconciliation or cold peace between the two Americas would disappear."
Too early to decide, IMHO. Who knows what the world will look like 35 months from now?
I don't regret voting twice for Trump, and if he does run, he could very well be the best choice.
I think it's probably a mistake to rule somebody out because they are "polarizing." TPTB can make any figure "polarizing" through media manipulation. And don't forget that the Dems have no compunction about electing "polarizing" pols themselves.
Too early to decide, IMHO. Who knows what the world will look like 35 months from now?
I don't regret voting twice for Trump, and if he does run, he could very well be the best choice.
I think it's probably a mistake to rule somebody out because they are "polarizing." TPTB can make any figure "polarizing" through media manipulation. And don't forget that the Dems have no compunction about electing "polarizing" pols themselves.
Posted by: gp Has A New Keyboard at December 09, 2021 11:41 AM (qpX6U)
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Are we ignoring the fact that Trump did actually get Dem crossover votes?
Didn't Trump have the highest GOP presidential vote total of any GOP candidate ever last time around? Trump may alienate some, but her does clearly bring in votes that other Republicans have been unable to for a long time, like PA the first time around, which we all know he lost the second time around due to massive fraud. The capital-gains, NAFTA-loving, pro-Chinese-trade GOP hasn't shown any interest, let alone ability, in reclaiming blue-cola voters. Trump did. Its his brand, not the GOP's, that helped put Hispanics into play to the extent that they are (take a look at the 2020 results Rio Grande Valley of Texas, for example). Who else has working-class appeal in the GOP nationwide?
Didn't Trump have the highest GOP presidential vote total of any GOP candidate ever last time around? Trump may alienate some, but her does clearly bring in votes that other Republicans have been unable to for a long time, like PA the first time around, which we all know he lost the second time around due to massive fraud. The capital-gains, NAFTA-loving, pro-Chinese-trade GOP hasn't shown any interest, let alone ability, in reclaiming blue-cola voters. Trump did. Its his brand, not the GOP's, that helped put Hispanics into play to the extent that they are (take a look at the 2020 results Rio Grande Valley of Texas, for example). Who else has working-class appeal in the GOP nationwide?
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at December 09, 2021 11:41 AM (QU5/8)
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And he did indeed virtually end illegal immigration. Another reason they needed him to be gone so they could kick it into high gear again...
Posted by: steevy at December 09, 2021 11:42 AM (CYnTg)
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I agree with PDT's candidacy setting alight the flames from the left and the burning will to destroy him by absolutely everyone on the left.
Every single trope will get rolled out again to fire up the voting by suburban women, young voters, and minorities.
It'll be a riot. There will be monstrous demonstrations.
Every single trope will get rolled out again to fire up the voting by suburban women, young voters, and minorities.
It'll be a riot. There will be monstrous demonstrations.
Posted by: Mr Gaga at December 09, 2021 11:42 AM (KiBMU)
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That being said, if Trump wins the nomination I will be a full-throated supporter. I will do whatever I can to help.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2021 11:37 AM (Q9lwr)
Ah. He concedes.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2021 11:37 AM (Q9lwr)
Ah. He concedes.
Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know at December 09, 2021 11:42 AM (nLrWw)
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I'm available.
Posted by: Stacey Abrams at December 09, 2021 11:42 AM (jYQlA)
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People hated Bush sure. But it didn't get them into a frothing at the mouth madness the way Trump did.
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This is not true. They hung effigies of Bush and burned them. Chimpy McHitler who was apparently both an idiot and a master mind. The main difference was the media was behind the Presidency for a couple of years following 911. It was very pro war/patriotism etc. For about two years. Bush had quite a honeymoon period.
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This is not true. They hung effigies of Bush and burned them. Chimpy McHitler who was apparently both an idiot and a master mind. The main difference was the media was behind the Presidency for a couple of years following 911. It was very pro war/patriotism etc. For about two years. Bush had quite a honeymoon period.
Posted by: But but but we need someone with more Couth at December 09, 2021 11:42 AM (pjso2)
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I don't think you guys that think we need to choose a candidates that won't energize or upset the democrats have really thought this through.
The feeling of the left should not even be part of your considerations.
Neither party by itself has a majority. Victory is achieved with the buy-in of the mushy middle. DeSantis has the benefit of being excellent on policy and leadership, without the Trumpian baggage. It's an uniquely autonomic response with many people.
The feeling of the left should not even be part of your considerations.
Neither party by itself has a majority. Victory is achieved with the buy-in of the mushy middle. DeSantis has the benefit of being excellent on policy and leadership, without the Trumpian baggage. It's an uniquely autonomic response with many people.
Posted by: pep at December 09, 2021 11:42 AM (ZsR3z)
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I want Desantis in FL tightening the screws bc I may move there.
Posted by: I guess I'll tell them at December 09, 2021 11:42 AM (oj/cK)
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I'm not talking about real war with weapons and dead bodies (yet). I just want someone running for President who's willing to say, "The so-called Dr. Fauci is a megalomaniac who has murdered hundreds of thousands of people so he could win the accolades of media and academic folk who wouldn't hesitate to usher in the Great Reset and have all of us eating bugs. I will not rest until he's tried for crimes against humanity."
Posted by: Homer's Donuts at December 09, 2021 11:37 AM (BCSAN)
With the revelations about Moderna and the swamp, we might just be lynching that bastard before 2024. But he's the tip of the iceberg, and you're right. Trump is the first "politician" to get anywhere near that. The first time somebody has said what we were all thinking. But we're going to need a major realignment of the "opposition party" in order to move forward from just calling a spade a spade. And I'm not sure anybody can overcome the social media juggernaut. Because if it's not clear people are rallying behind the president, it's not happening.
Posted by: Homer's Donuts at December 09, 2021 11:37 AM (BCSAN)
With the revelations about Moderna and the swamp, we might just be lynching that bastard before 2024. But he's the tip of the iceberg, and you're right. Trump is the first "politician" to get anywhere near that. The first time somebody has said what we were all thinking. But we're going to need a major realignment of the "opposition party" in order to move forward from just calling a spade a spade. And I'm not sure anybody can overcome the social media juggernaut. Because if it's not clear people are rallying behind the president, it's not happening.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at December 09, 2021 11:42 AM (wAnMi)
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For the record, I want Trump to run. If not him, then Junior.
And I want fairness. That is: hundreds of their people in pretrial torture and prison for as long as ours are. It's only fair. I want scorched earth. I want damn near to a dictator, complete with executions. School House Rock isn't going to fix the problems any more, those days are gone.
And I want fairness. That is: hundreds of their people in pretrial torture and prison for as long as ours are. It's only fair. I want scorched earth. I want damn near to a dictator, complete with executions. School House Rock isn't going to fix the problems any more, those days are gone.
Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at December 09, 2021 11:42 AM (OssQ4)
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So this is where all the grifters hang out
Posted by: Dan Crenshaw at December 09, 2021 11:42 AM (us2H3)
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213 What I notice here and elsewhere from Trump die hards is the black and white choice. It's either Trump or a Jeb Bush. Which is a bullshit argument.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 09, 2021 11:32 AM (OalnH)
So who? Name a name. And I stand by my conviction the DeSantis needs to stay in FL for now. Elections aren't won without FL.
And you know the second DeSantis would leave the governorship to campaign, there would be a big push to change FL election law.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 09, 2021 11:32 AM (OalnH)
So who? Name a name. And I stand by my conviction the DeSantis needs to stay in FL for now. Elections aren't won without FL.
And you know the second DeSantis would leave the governorship to campaign, there would be a big push to change FL election law.
Posted by: I'm The Other White Meat at December 09, 2021 11:43 AM (Fs5vw)
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Old sock, be gone
Posted by: 2009Refugee at December 09, 2021 11:43 AM (s6YiJ)
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Mitch McConnell is what you get from seasoned political veterans.
In fact, the GOP is stocked top to bottom with political veterans who know how to navigate DC.
None of them are worth a warm bucket of spit.
And none of their skills are needed to fix America-- because those skills are entirely honed and finely evolved to work IN the existing system.
You don't drain the swamp by filling it with alligators.
In fact, the GOP is stocked top to bottom with political veterans who know how to navigate DC.
None of them are worth a warm bucket of spit.
And none of their skills are needed to fix America-- because those skills are entirely honed and finely evolved to work IN the existing system.
You don't drain the swamp by filling it with alligators.
Posted by: Lrrr at December 09, 2021 11:43 AM (jIL4c)
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I dunno, I think there was quite a bit of mouth frothing over GW. It's just easier to remember the way it was with Trump
Posted by: steevy at December 09, 2021 11:39 AM (CYnTg
Bush didn't acknowledge their frothing which many here think was a big mistake. Trump of course gave them what they wanted which was to have a war of words . When you control the MSM , that's a good strategy.
Posted by: steevy at December 09, 2021 11:39 AM (CYnTg
Bush didn't acknowledge their frothing which many here think was a big mistake. Trump of course gave them what they wanted which was to have a war of words . When you control the MSM , that's a good strategy.
Posted by: Just a side note at December 09, 2021 11:43 AM (VJ4aP)
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This post reeks of GOPe.
Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at December 09, 2021 11:39 AM (Hh3y4)
Did you read it?
Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at December 09, 2021 11:39 AM (Hh3y4)
Did you read it?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2021 11:43 AM (Q9lwr)
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I also think Trump/DeSantis is the best option for 2024. Trump isn't perfect, but he's better than most choices and DeSantis being the VP will give him some exposure to the office that will help in 2028 and help overcome any doubts about whether he's ready to go national.
Posted by: Cato,
AND, if everyone is worried about Trump's age, Trump steps down after two years and a day or whatever the magical number is, and DeathSantis has the office for ten years.
Posted by: Cato,
AND, if everyone is worried about Trump's age, Trump steps down after two years and a day or whatever the magical number is, and DeathSantis has the office for ten years.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2021 11:44 AM (cQZxO)
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Whatever happens the republican primary in 2024 is gonna be lit! I got $50 that says Krispy Kreme will run.
Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at December 09, 2021 11:44 AM (bVYXr)
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I've always distrusted New Yorkers, New York New Yorkers the most. Mostly because they don't understand the rest of the country.
Trump overcame that distrust because he understands. He deserves our loyalty. He earned it.
Trump overcame that distrust because he understands. He deserves our loyalty. He earned it.
Posted by: Minuteman at December 09, 2021 11:44 AM (LaNzR)
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Are we ignoring the fact that Trump did actually get Dem crossover votes?
Didn't Trump have the highest GOP presidential vote total of any GOP candidate ever last time around? Trump may alienate some, but her does clearly bring in votes that other Republicans have been unable to for a long time, like PA the first time around, which we all know he lost the second time around due to massive fraud. The capital-gains, NAFTA-loving, pro-Chinese-trade GOP hasn't shown any interest, let alone ability, in reclaiming blue-cola voters. Trump did. Its his brand, not the GOP's, that helped put Hispanics into play to the extent that they are (take a look at the 2020 results Rio Grande Valley of Texas, for example). Who else has working-class appeal in the GOP nationwide?
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With the highest employment numbers for African Americans and Hispanics. Why in the world would they not want to vote for him again after that?
The people who do not want to vote for him again are who? EVEN CBD says he would vote for him again.
Get Serious.
Didn't Trump have the highest GOP presidential vote total of any GOP candidate ever last time around? Trump may alienate some, but her does clearly bring in votes that other Republicans have been unable to for a long time, like PA the first time around, which we all know he lost the second time around due to massive fraud. The capital-gains, NAFTA-loving, pro-Chinese-trade GOP hasn't shown any interest, let alone ability, in reclaiming blue-cola voters. Trump did. Its his brand, not the GOP's, that helped put Hispanics into play to the extent that they are (take a look at the 2020 results Rio Grande Valley of Texas, for example). Who else has working-class appeal in the GOP nationwide?
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With the highest employment numbers for African Americans and Hispanics. Why in the world would they not want to vote for him again after that?
The people who do not want to vote for him again are who? EVEN CBD says he would vote for him again.
Get Serious.
Posted by: But but but we need someone with more Couth at December 09, 2021 11:44 AM (mXUx3)
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Do you not remember? Star Wars is a disaster REEEEE!!! Just the idea of it broke the Soviets.
I have always thought that the Strategic Defense Initiative (that was its name, right?) was the most effective weapons system ever as it worked without even being built.
I have always thought that the Strategic Defense Initiative (that was its name, right?) was the most effective weapons system ever as it worked without even being built.
Posted by: Cthillary, dead but dreaming at December 09, 2021 11:44 AM (zSyrn)
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DeSantis and Trump both may not run - remember, DeSantis's wife has cancer and he has 3 small kids. As a current cancer wife of similar age with kids, ummm, I would not want to have to deal with a cross-country 2 year campaign 24-7 and then an always on job in the White House and not be 100% well. Now, my cancer isn't yet curable - hers is and might be before he needs to campaign, but for anyone thinking he's definitely in, I don't think he is til his wife says so.
And as for Trump, his age and health may play a role just like DeSantis's wife's health will.
So, we have the top 2...but we may not get them even if we want them in 2024...
And as for Trump, his age and health may play a role just like DeSantis's wife's health will.
So, we have the top 2...but we may not get them even if we want them in 2024...
Posted by: Nova local at December 09, 2021 11:44 AM (exHjb)
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"Democrats are self energizing. Every R candidate has to be worst than the last to keep them going."
Absolutely true. That's been the dumbocrat schtick since I've been voting - Ronnie Raygun to the magical "parade of Hitlers" -Bush, McCain, Romney(?) - it's what they do.
Absolutely true. That's been the dumbocrat schtick since I've been voting - Ronnie Raygun to the magical "parade of Hitlers" -Bush, McCain, Romney(?) - it's what they do.
Posted by: Boxx Culvert, back in da Mitten at December 09, 2021 11:44 AM (9s20h)
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Look at the damage this fuckstick regime has done in less than a year. So much easier to destroy than to build.
Posted by: steevy at December 09, 2021 11:44 AM (CYnTg)
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Bush was Hitler.
Romney was Hitler.
McCain was Hitler.
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FFS people it goes all the way back to Reagan.
There wasn't a whole lotta love for Nixon either.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.
I believe Eisenhower was called a fascist by the Left. You know, the guy who headed the Armies that defeated Fascism in Europe. Nothing new under the Sun.
Bush was Hitler.
Romney was Hitler.
McCain was Hitler.
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FFS people it goes all the way back to Reagan.
There wasn't a whole lotta love for Nixon either.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.
I believe Eisenhower was called a fascist by the Left. You know, the guy who headed the Armies that defeated Fascism in Europe. Nothing new under the Sun.
Posted by: Puddleglum at work at December 09, 2021 11:44 AM (8Sqzu)
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Are we ignoring the fact that Trump did actually get Dem crossover votes?
Posted by: Inogame
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Another myth that won't die. Dems voted 89% Obama in 08, 92% Obama in '12, 89% Hillary in '16 and 94% Biden in '20.
https://tinyurl.com/5a564wzw
https://tinyurl.com/2p8kyuyu
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Posted by: Inogame
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Another myth that won't die. Dems voted 89% Obama in 08, 92% Obama in '12, 89% Hillary in '16 and 94% Biden in '20.
https://tinyurl.com/5a564wzw
https://tinyurl.com/2p8kyuyu
https://tinyurl.com/5725zu4u
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 09, 2021 11:45 AM (OalnH)
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Bob Dole's still not sure what Bob Dole thinks about this.
Posted by: Bob Dole at December 09, 2021 11:45 AM (jYQlA)
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Throwing my hope and faith into God's idea of justice. Restoration to him. I'm done with faith in government because government is man, and man is infinitely corruptible.
Posted by: BarcelonaCarmen at December 09, 2021 11:45 AM (+CiEK)
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The next Republican president would be best served by a fantastic AG and Trump as the Inspector General of the intelligence community.
Posted by: Cheezy at December 09, 2021 11:45 AM (Ai1hj)
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Read what was written. He will be treated as bad, or worse (if that's metaphysically possible). It's the same playbook as McAuliffe used in VA. The issue isn't whether they'll run that playbook, because they will, it's will it work. I predict it won't. It's old, tired, and stupid, and there are lots of people in the persuadable middle who wouldn't buy it for DeSantis, but would for Trump.
Posted by: pep
The point you tried to make is that 'sane' people believed it about Trump. Where did they get their information? Do you think that will change if Desantis is the nominee?
Again, that is living in fantasy land. if Twitter/Facebook/MSM/left/ and GOP establishment are all calling the guy a racist nazi - those same 'sane" people who bought it about Trump will buy it about Desantis.
Your thinking is outdated. You still believe we are dealing with a) reasonable voters [most voters are complete ignorant idiots] and b) a fair playing field.
Your thinking will lead not to Desantis winning the nomination, but someone like Jeb. B/c you want a "well mannered" candidate who can "win over the middle". That's the GOPe defined.
Posted by: pep
The point you tried to make is that 'sane' people believed it about Trump. Where did they get their information? Do you think that will change if Desantis is the nominee?
Again, that is living in fantasy land. if Twitter/Facebook/MSM/left/ and GOP establishment are all calling the guy a racist nazi - those same 'sane" people who bought it about Trump will buy it about Desantis.
Your thinking is outdated. You still believe we are dealing with a) reasonable voters [most voters are complete ignorant idiots] and b) a fair playing field.
Your thinking will lead not to Desantis winning the nomination, but someone like Jeb. B/c you want a "well mannered" candidate who can "win over the middle". That's the GOPe defined.
Posted by: Mehive at December 09, 2021 11:45 AM (ky+MF)
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This debate is academic. The next election is already predetermined. Plus, the GOP would never permit Trump to run under their banner which leaves him, what? 3rd party or write in?
Yea, he can disrupt things, but he won't be permitted to win.
Yea, he can disrupt things, but he won't be permitted to win.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 09, 2021 11:45 AM (BFigT)
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2) No President with the resolve to do what is necessary will be a lame duck in the fourth year, never mind the first.
Posted by: trev006 at December 09, 2021 11:41 AM (Eqkqm)
For proof of this (even though he'll get nowhere near the White House, thank goodness), take a look at the current Mayor of NYC. Three weeks left in office, and he's going full-tilt bozo leftist, even now. He's unrepentant, and unapologetic. This is the way for Trump to go.
Posted by: trev006 at December 09, 2021 11:41 AM (Eqkqm)
For proof of this (even though he'll get nowhere near the White House, thank goodness), take a look at the current Mayor of NYC. Three weeks left in office, and he's going full-tilt bozo leftist, even now. He's unrepentant, and unapologetic. This is the way for Trump to go.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at December 09, 2021 11:46 AM (C61w6)
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Who hacked CBD's account? This post reeks of GOPe.
Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at December 09, 2021 11:39 AM (Hh3y4)
I believe that a lot of people are tired of the fight and just heaken back to the good old days - a desire for normalcy - which gives them an unrealistic apprehension of the enemy we face. They are *this* close to camps for the unvaxxed and using your kids as sexual pin cushions and medical experiments.
So we should do the respectable thing and not fight.
Let the left dictate what we will accept as a victory sounds like crappy strategery from my perspective.
Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at December 09, 2021 11:39 AM (Hh3y4)
I believe that a lot of people are tired of the fight and just heaken back to the good old days - a desire for normalcy - which gives them an unrealistic apprehension of the enemy we face. They are *this* close to camps for the unvaxxed and using your kids as sexual pin cushions and medical experiments.
So we should do the respectable thing and not fight.
Let the left dictate what we will accept as a victory sounds like crappy strategery from my perspective.
Posted by: flounder at December 09, 2021 11:46 AM (SH2Zi)
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Perhaps DeSantis (or someone else) would do a better job. But Trump may be the only candidate who can bring in the blue-collar MAGA voters the GOP needs and complete the realignment.
That's why Trump's best move is to tell his voters to vote for DeSantis. I have no doubt almost all of them would do it.
That's why Trump's best move is to tell his voters to vote for DeSantis. I have no doubt almost all of them would do it.
Posted by: pep at December 09, 2021 11:46 AM (ZsR3z)
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Ah. He concedes.
Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know at December 09, 2021 11:42 AM (nLrWw)
Huh? That is nonsense. Read what I wrote.
Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know at December 09, 2021 11:42 AM (nLrWw)
Huh? That is nonsense. Read what I wrote.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2021 11:46 AM (Q9lwr)
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Bob Dole's still not sure what Bob Dole thinks about this.
Posted by: Bob Dole at December 09, 2021 11:45 AM (jYQlA)
Bob Dole's voting dem...count on it.
Posted by: Bob Dole at December 09, 2021 11:45 AM (jYQlA)
Bob Dole's voting dem...count on it.
Posted by: BignJames at December 09, 2021 11:46 AM (AwYPR)
Posted by: Biden at December 09, 2021 11:46 AM (oj/cK)
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Remember when everybody thought that Sessions was an awesome pick? For about a week? And that Barr would surely step up to the plate? Just multiply that by 1,000. As far as I'm concerned, 99.9% of DC is swamp sleeper cells.
Posted by: clutch cargo
Only Donald Trump has enough personal wealth to move a campaign ahead on its own.
DeSantis, Cruz, Pompeo, Paul, etc might start out as "ggod guys", but they will end up compromised by having to turn to the "inner party" of the GOPe, and get money from them.
By the way, I think Cruz has almost no chance of winning a national election, because to a LOT of Republicans and non-aligned "independents", they find him repulsive. That's not me talking, that's what people tell me.
I think Donald is too old to run by 2024, but given almost any other choice, I would vote for him again. His VP pick will be very important, because Donald will only serve 4 years.
I would also only add that the country might look very different in two years, when the jockeying for the party primaries begins. I have no idea just how different, but things are in a state of upheaval, and you don't need me to tell anyone here that.
Posted by: clutch cargo
Only Donald Trump has enough personal wealth to move a campaign ahead on its own.
DeSantis, Cruz, Pompeo, Paul, etc might start out as "ggod guys", but they will end up compromised by having to turn to the "inner party" of the GOPe, and get money from them.
By the way, I think Cruz has almost no chance of winning a national election, because to a LOT of Republicans and non-aligned "independents", they find him repulsive. That's not me talking, that's what people tell me.
I think Donald is too old to run by 2024, but given almost any other choice, I would vote for him again. His VP pick will be very important, because Donald will only serve 4 years.
I would also only add that the country might look very different in two years, when the jockeying for the party primaries begins. I have no idea just how different, but things are in a state of upheaval, and you don't need me to tell anyone here that.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative.....lost in a lost world at December 09, 2021 11:46 AM (vcOmj)
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It does not matter who wins the primary; they will be vilified just like Trump is vilified. DeSantis will be a racist overnight, hell he already is!
You have to ask yourself who would not be vilified and attacked as 'racist' running on the Republican ticket. Such a person does not exist.
Trump is having 4 years to stew and he has plans. I will support him and no other because anyone else will be lawfared out of existence and Trump has a proven track record of not being found guilty of anything.
You have to ask yourself who would not be vilified and attacked as 'racist' running on the Republican ticket. Such a person does not exist.
Trump is having 4 years to stew and he has plans. I will support him and no other because anyone else will be lawfared out of existence and Trump has a proven track record of not being found guilty of anything.
Posted by: Valley of Ancients at December 09, 2021 11:46 AM (h5F0w)
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IMO, Trump was susceptible to deception by appealing to his ego leaving one free to sabotage at will; Comey, Sessions, Rosenstein, Fauci all pulled this trick.
Posted by: Eisenhorn at December 09, 2021 11:46 AM (iWVSs)
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Do you not remember? Star Wars is a disaster REEEEE!!! Just the idea of it broke the Soviets.
I have always thought that the Strategic Defense Initiative (that was its name, right?) was the most effective weapons system ever as it worked without even being built.
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Which is exactly why the deep state HATED it. They didn't even get a chance to graft on the production side. IT WAS A MASTERSTROKE. Game changer.
I have always thought that the Strategic Defense Initiative (that was its name, right?) was the most effective weapons system ever as it worked without even being built.
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Which is exactly why the deep state HATED it. They didn't even get a chance to graft on the production side. IT WAS A MASTERSTROKE. Game changer.
Posted by: But but but we need someone with more Couth at December 09, 2021 11:46 AM (0sadA)
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The next Republican president would be best served by a fantastic AG and Trump as the Inspector General of the intelligence community.
Steiner with come.
Steiner with come.
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko gender fluid at December 09, 2021 11:46 AM (GHYYs)
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Really strange vibe in here. Really strange.
Think I'll agree with Mark Andrews and bid you all adieu for a while.
Think I'll agree with Mark Andrews and bid you all adieu for a while.
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Jackson Sparks at December 09, 2021 11:46 AM (Zz0t1)
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I agree with the punk monkey.
Posted by: Indiana Lurker at December 09, 2021 11:47 AM (3ZVqj)
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So we should do the respectable thing and not fight.
Let the left dictate what we will accept as a victory sounds like crappy strategery from my perspective.
Posted by: flounder at December 09, 2021 11:46 AM (SH2Zi)
No. We should fight on every front. But do it better this time.
Scorched earth has a nice ring to it.
Let the left dictate what we will accept as a victory sounds like crappy strategery from my perspective.
Posted by: flounder at December 09, 2021 11:46 AM (SH2Zi)
No. We should fight on every front. But do it better this time.
Scorched earth has a nice ring to it.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2021 11:47 AM (Q9lwr)
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"School House Rock isn't going to fix the problems any more, those days are gone."
This is correct.
if the conservative movement is just going to be cannon fodder for the GOPe, electing more of the likes of Crenshaw, I won't apologize for going down fighting.
This is correct.
if the conservative movement is just going to be cannon fodder for the GOPe, electing more of the likes of Crenshaw, I won't apologize for going down fighting.
Posted by: IP at December 09, 2021 11:47 AM (SDdI7)
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And he did indeed virtually end illegal immigration. Another reason they needed him to be gone so they could kick it into high gear again...
Posted by: steevy at December 09, 2021 11:42 AM (CYnTg)
What ? In what universe did illegal immigration decrease?
Posted by: steevy at December 09, 2021 11:42 AM (CYnTg)
What ? In what universe did illegal immigration decrease?
Posted by: Just a side note at December 09, 2021 11:47 AM (VJ4aP)
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko gender fluid at December 09, 2021 11:47 AM (GHYYs)
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That was the failure of your presidency, and that is something that a more accomplished politician can avoid.
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I believe this is incorrect. Politicians are the dancing monkeys in our political system. They take their graft and do as they're told when the Party & State play the tune, or they get sidelined and forced out at the nearest opportunity.
Any reformer will have the exact same problems, to an equal or greater degree, especially since most "more accomplished politicians" have a fat offshore bank account that keeps them happy, and a pile of Epstein tapes in the closet over at Kalorama. But even if they're not on the take or compromised, they can't contend with the monolithic edifice of American corruption.
This system can't be fixed from within. Not by Trump. Not by anyone.
That was the failure of your presidency, and that is something that a more accomplished politician can avoid.
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I believe this is incorrect. Politicians are the dancing monkeys in our political system. They take their graft and do as they're told when the Party & State play the tune, or they get sidelined and forced out at the nearest opportunity.
Any reformer will have the exact same problems, to an equal or greater degree, especially since most "more accomplished politicians" have a fat offshore bank account that keeps them happy, and a pile of Epstein tapes in the closet over at Kalorama. But even if they're not on the take or compromised, they can't contend with the monolithic edifice of American corruption.
This system can't be fixed from within. Not by Trump. Not by anyone.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 09, 2021 11:47 AM (2ABQr)
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The Bush vs Trump comparisons in terms of hate are nowhere near the same.
You could EASILY lose your job if it came out you were a Trump supporter. Friends and family would write you off as a white supremacist. Being a Bush supporter in 2000-2004 was an eye roll.
I'm not saying this is Trump's fault, but the media has created being a Trump supporter close to the level of supporting David Duke.
You could EASILY lose your job if it came out you were a Trump supporter. Friends and family would write you off as a white supremacist. Being a Bush supporter in 2000-2004 was an eye roll.
I'm not saying this is Trump's fault, but the media has created being a Trump supporter close to the level of supporting David Duke.
Posted by: Blago at December 09, 2021 11:48 AM (PwNLq)
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Trump seems more .ensured in his words and answers when questioned. Measured for him, which for Ds is outrageous.
I think DeSantis has demonstrated the "snark" and unwillingness to accept the premise of questions posed to him.
There's a reason Newsom is talking about FL covid death rates. He's their knight in shining armor. There is no other D governor that can possibly run.
I agree. Trump plays king maker. You cannot tell me DeSantis standing on a podium saying "I have a special guest with me here tonight " won't bring throngs of people to rallies. At the end of the day, no matter who it is, they'll be called "worse than Trump."
Pick the guy who can bag FL and OH without almost not visiting and has shown he can give as good as he takes. The majorities will be the biggest issue.
I think DeSantis has demonstrated the "snark" and unwillingness to accept the premise of questions posed to him.
There's a reason Newsom is talking about FL covid death rates. He's their knight in shining armor. There is no other D governor that can possibly run.
I agree. Trump plays king maker. You cannot tell me DeSantis standing on a podium saying "I have a special guest with me here tonight " won't bring throngs of people to rallies. At the end of the day, no matter who it is, they'll be called "worse than Trump."
Pick the guy who can bag FL and OH without almost not visiting and has shown he can give as good as he takes. The majorities will be the biggest issue.
Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at December 09, 2021 11:48 AM (Ut+Qt)
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This is not true. They hung effigies of Bush and burned them. Chimpy McHitler who was apparently both an idiot and a master mind. The main difference was the media was behind the Presidency for a couple of years following 911. It was very pro war/patriotism etc. For about two years. Bush had quite a honeymoon period.
Posted by: But but but we need someone with more Couth at December 09, 2021 11:42 AM (pjso2)
They did to Romney and McCain exactly what they did with Trump. What made them froth at the mouth was that Trump didn't roll over and apologize for having to lead such icky people like those two backstabbing pieces of shit did.
Posted by: But but but we need someone with more Couth at December 09, 2021 11:42 AM (pjso2)
They did to Romney and McCain exactly what they did with Trump. What made them froth at the mouth was that Trump didn't roll over and apologize for having to lead such icky people like those two backstabbing pieces of shit did.
Posted by: Buzzion at December 09, 2021 11:48 AM (G2zl5)
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I have always thought that the Strategic Defense Initiative (that was its name, right?) was the most effective weapons system ever as it worked without even being built.
Posted by: Cthillary, dead but dreaming at December 09, 2021 11:44 AM (zSyrn)
We did end up building it in the long run. A lot of canceled programs ended up having their research and inventions used elsewhere. Some of SDI's work with lasers got used with the laser anti-missile systems being tested on some Navy ships.
The ERIS missile interceptor program created the foundational technologies (IE, the same hit-to-kill vehicle) used by our current ballistic missile interceptors, THAAD and GMD.
Posted by: Cthillary, dead but dreaming at December 09, 2021 11:44 AM (zSyrn)
We did end up building it in the long run. A lot of canceled programs ended up having their research and inventions used elsewhere. Some of SDI's work with lasers got used with the laser anti-missile systems being tested on some Navy ships.
The ERIS missile interceptor program created the foundational technologies (IE, the same hit-to-kill vehicle) used by our current ballistic missile interceptors, THAAD and GMD.
Posted by: Cato, Post-Apocalyptic Scourge of the Seas at December 09, 2021 11:48 AM (Msrhc)
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You go this route, I and a lot of others are out. Leep that in mind.
Posted by: Jim at December 09, 2021 11:48 AM (KMm7t)
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>>>They'll impeach him the moment he announces. They'll impeach him the moment he wins. They'll impeach him a dozen more times if he makes it four years.
How many times would the NeverTrump-infested Senate hold.
Posted by: Guy Smiley
They'll do that to DeathSantis or any other GOP POTUS. It wasn't about Trump; it was about ending the GOP.
How many times would the NeverTrump-infested Senate hold.
Posted by: Guy Smiley
They'll do that to DeathSantis or any other GOP POTUS. It wasn't about Trump; it was about ending the GOP.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 09, 2021 11:48 AM (bkUtD)
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I saw Leap That in Mind open for Talking Heads at Reunion Arena in '85.
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Jackson Sparks at December 09, 2021 11:49 AM (Zz0t1)
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But do it better this time.
Scorched earth has a nice ring to it.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2021 11:47 AM (Q9lwr)
By discarding the one tool proven to be willing to and capable of taking the fight to the left and winning?
Scorched earth has a nice ring to it.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2021 11:47 AM (Q9lwr)
By discarding the one tool proven to be willing to and capable of taking the fight to the left and winning?
Posted by: flounder at December 09, 2021 11:49 AM (SH2Zi)
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272 Who hacked CBD's account? This post reeks of GOPe.
Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at December 09, 2021 11:39 AM (Hh3y4)
Agree.
Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at December 09, 2021 11:39 AM (Hh3y4)
Agree.
Posted by: I'm The Other White Meat at December 09, 2021 11:49 AM (Fs5vw)
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The left calls DeSantis "DeathSantis" while giving a pass to Andrew Cuomo. You don't think they'll demonize him the exact same way they demonized Trump?
Again, of course they will. The question is "will it work?". VA suggests otherwise.
Your thinking is outdated. You still believe we are dealing with a) reasonable voters [most voters are complete ignorant idiots] and b) a fair playing field.
I see. So you're going to win with the roughly one third of the voters who identify as Republicans.
Your thinking will lead not to Desantis winning the nomination, but someone like Jeb. B/c you want a "well mannered" candidate who can "win over the middle". That's the GOPe defined.
You mean like he or someone like him did in 2016?
Again, of course they will. The question is "will it work?". VA suggests otherwise.
Your thinking is outdated. You still believe we are dealing with a) reasonable voters [most voters are complete ignorant idiots] and b) a fair playing field.
I see. So you're going to win with the roughly one third of the voters who identify as Republicans.
Your thinking will lead not to Desantis winning the nomination, but someone like Jeb. B/c you want a "well mannered" candidate who can "win over the middle". That's the GOPe defined.
You mean like he or someone like him did in 2016?
Posted by: pep at December 09, 2021 11:49 AM (ZsR3z)
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"But to what end? Four more years of fanatical attacks from a leftist political apparatus that has shown that it will stop at nothing to destroy you, and in the process hand the country to China and its progressive allies within."
This seems logical, but this will happen to ANY conservative Republican who wins the presidency. Trump was able to face this down without surrendering. Maybe DeSantis could too, but it's a risk.
This seems logical, but this will happen to ANY conservative Republican who wins the presidency. Trump was able to face this down without surrendering. Maybe DeSantis could too, but it's a risk.
Posted by: MW at December 09, 2021 11:50 AM (u33s0)
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339 The Bush vs Trump comparisons in terms of hate are nowhere near the same.
You could EASILY lose your job if it came out you were a Trump supporter. Friends and family would write you off as a white supremacist. Being a Bush supporter in 2000-2004 was an eye roll.
I'm not saying this is Trump's fault, but the media has created being a Trump supporter close to the level of supporting David Duke.
Posted by: Blago at December 09, 2021 11:48 AM (PwNLq)
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EXCATLY!! In both 2000 and 2004 (or 2008 and 2012 for that matter) I was not afraid to tell anyone my political leanings. Like you said, it was an eye roll.
In 2020, I shut the hell up.
You could EASILY lose your job if it came out you were a Trump supporter. Friends and family would write you off as a white supremacist. Being a Bush supporter in 2000-2004 was an eye roll.
I'm not saying this is Trump's fault, but the media has created being a Trump supporter close to the level of supporting David Duke.
Posted by: Blago at December 09, 2021 11:48 AM (PwNLq)
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EXCATLY!! In both 2000 and 2004 (or 2008 and 2012 for that matter) I was not afraid to tell anyone my political leanings. Like you said, it was an eye roll.
In 2020, I shut the hell up.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 09, 2021 11:50 AM (OalnH)
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I feel like the Catch-22 from 2024 Trump supporters is if you believe the election was rigged to the point it was unwinnable, what changes with Trump in 2024?
What voting laws have changed? He hasn't lifted a finger on this front.
And doesn't speak volumes that if Trump does run again, he doesn't really believe it was rigged on the level he told people?
What voting laws have changed? He hasn't lifted a finger on this front.
And doesn't speak volumes that if Trump does run again, he doesn't really believe it was rigged on the level he told people?
Posted by: Blago at December 09, 2021 11:50 AM (PwNLq)
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There aren't 2 Americas. There's America, and anti-America. I don't want "cold peace" with anti-America, and I certainly don't want reconciliation. I want them wiped out.
Bring it, PDJT! Suck it, CBD!
Bring it, PDJT! Suck it, CBD!
Posted by: Donkey Joto at December 09, 2021 11:50 AM (0D9O2)
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Four more years of fanatical attacks from a leftist political apparatus that has shown that it will stop at nothing to destroy you, and in the process hand the country to China and its progressive allies within.
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LMAO and you think this won't happen with ANY R who is popular enough to have a chance to win? Or for that matter any R who DOES win? This is not like you. You are in Dreamland.
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LMAO and you think this won't happen with ANY R who is popular enough to have a chance to win? Or for that matter any R who DOES win? This is not like you. You are in Dreamland.
Posted by: ... at December 09, 2021 11:50 AM (kxVBq)
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On the other hand, if it's Trump, then Trump it is. The alternative is too horrifying.
Posted by: Indiana Lurker at December 09, 2021 11:51 AM (3ZVqj)
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We probably will have to wait until a Black Swan shows up or False Vacuum swallows the Universe and Boltzmann Brain creates another reality to get another.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 09, 2021 11:21 AM (SO3EB)
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I'm right here, you know.
Posted by: Maxwell's Demon at December 09, 2021 11:23 AM (/U27+)
*******
So am I!
We probably will have to wait until a Black Swan shows up or False Vacuum swallows the Universe and Boltzmann Brain creates another reality to get another.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 09, 2021 11:21 AM (SO3EB)
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I'm right here, you know.
Posted by: Maxwell's Demon at December 09, 2021 11:23 AM (/U27+)
*******
So am I!
Posted by: Michael Mann's Turd at December 09, 2021 11:51 AM (dgYAy)
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I saw Leap That in Mind open for Talking Heads at Reunion Arena in '85.
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Jackson Sparks at December 09, 2021 11:49 AM
Their cover of Van Halen's Jump was pretty good.
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Jackson Sparks at December 09, 2021 11:49 AM
Their cover of Van Halen's Jump was pretty good.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 09, 2021 11:51 AM (m+jkK)
Posted by: JEB! at December 09, 2021 11:51 AM (LaNzR)
Posted by: pep at December 09, 2021 11:52 AM (ZsR3z)
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I feel like the Catch-22 from 2024 Trump supporters is if you believe the election was rigged to the point it was unwinnable, what changes with Trump in 2024?
What voting laws have changed? He hasn't lifted a finger on this front.
He's a private citizen. List what laws he can change:
1.
What voting laws have changed? He hasn't lifted a finger on this front.
He's a private citizen. List what laws he can change:
1.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2021 11:52 AM (cQZxO)
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This rant turn things on it's head.
1) Trump's worst skill was selecting people. Why make that his only influence? Put him back in power and let him make decisions.
2) In other words, "Avoid four years of fighting by nominating a squish to lose to Dems."
No. Hard pass.
1) Trump's worst skill was selecting people. Why make that his only influence? Put him back in power and let him make decisions.
2) In other words, "Avoid four years of fighting by nominating a squish to lose to Dems."
No. Hard pass.
Posted by: Two Weeks at December 09, 2021 11:52 AM (ELnqd)
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This is what I'm talking about!
Please clap!
Posted by: JEB! at December 09, 2021 11:51 AM (LaNzR)
lol, well-played.
Please clap!
Posted by: JEB! at December 09, 2021 11:51 AM (LaNzR)
lol, well-played.
Posted by: flounder at December 09, 2021 11:52 AM (SH2Zi)
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A new poll should ring alarm bells in the White House after showing Americans don't want President Joe Biden or Vice President Kamala Harris at the top of the ticket in 2024.
The new poll, from I&I/TIPP, asked respondents who they wanted to run in 2024, and just 22% said they wanted Biden, while 12% said they wanted Harris. But, the Boston Herald pointed out, there is some good news for the administration, since "no favorite has emerged among the large field of potential challengers to run against Biden in the 2024 primaries."
This maybe great news for the White House but it still sucks for the Democrats.
And those alarm bells .. they have been ringing for some months now. I expect everybody at the White House is sick and tired of them.
The new poll, from I&I/TIPP, asked respondents who they wanted to run in 2024, and just 22% said they wanted Biden, while 12% said they wanted Harris. But, the Boston Herald pointed out, there is some good news for the administration, since "no favorite has emerged among the large field of potential challengers to run against Biden in the 2024 primaries."
This maybe great news for the White House but it still sucks for the Democrats.
And those alarm bells .. they have been ringing for some months now. I expect everybody at the White House is sick and tired of them.
Posted by: SMOD at December 09, 2021 11:52 AM (RHGPo)
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353 There aren't 2 Americas. There's America, and anti-America. I don't want "cold peace" with anti-America, and I certainly don't want reconciliation. I want them wiped out.
Bring it, PDJT! Suck it, CBD!
Posted by: Donkey Joto at December 09, 2021 11:50 AM (0D9O2)
Now I'm not saying that I am in favor of this - far from it - but you must realize that the only way to accomplish your goals is to nuke every major city on the west coast? and probably NYC and DC as well.
Bring it, PDJT! Suck it, CBD!
Posted by: Donkey Joto at December 09, 2021 11:50 AM (0D9O2)
Now I'm not saying that I am in favor of this - far from it - but you must realize that the only way to accomplish your goals is to nuke every major city on the west coast? and probably NYC and DC as well.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 09, 2021 11:52 AM (trdmm)
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Huh? That is nonsense. Read what I wrote.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2021 11:46 AM (Q9lwr)
Did they change the blog rules ?
It's pretty obvious Trump is going to run and DeSantis is a distant second in the polls. I'm with anyone who will support Trump if he wins. If someone else emerges than I'll have to see but Trump will take all the air out of the room meanwhile.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2021 11:46 AM (Q9lwr)
Did they change the blog rules ?
It's pretty obvious Trump is going to run and DeSantis is a distant second in the polls. I'm with anyone who will support Trump if he wins. If someone else emerges than I'll have to see but Trump will take all the air out of the room meanwhile.
Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know at December 09, 2021 11:52 AM (nLrWw)
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He should have known this after 4 months. And yet he still spent the next 4 years hiring shitty backstabbing people. He didn't learn shit.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 09, 2021 11:35 AM (OalnH)
It's not a small point that anyone up for any job in his administration had their life turned upside-down.
This will not change if anyone out of the uniparty gets a nod.
Heck, even election lawyers were doxxed for daring to take a job having to do with elections.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 09, 2021 11:35 AM (OalnH)
It's not a small point that anyone up for any job in his administration had their life turned upside-down.
This will not change if anyone out of the uniparty gets a nod.
Heck, even election lawyers were doxxed for daring to take a job having to do with elections.
Posted by: Inogame X-State Lines at December 09, 2021 11:52 AM (53oGX)
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") If Donald Trump wins a second term, it would have to be his last barring the end of the Constitution."
Quite right. Careless mistake on my part, but...
"No President with the resolve to do what is necessary will be a lame duck in the fourth year, never mind the first."
...age does apply to this. Not only are we talking about an inevitable one-termer, but in that 4th year, he would be 82--three years older than Ronald Reagan at the end of the latter's term. His physical shape is much worse than was Reagan's as well.
Do you think Trump will have greater resolution to do what is necessary when he's 82 than he had on January 6, when he was 74?
Quite right. Careless mistake on my part, but...
"No President with the resolve to do what is necessary will be a lame duck in the fourth year, never mind the first."
...age does apply to this. Not only are we talking about an inevitable one-termer, but in that 4th year, he would be 82--three years older than Ronald Reagan at the end of the latter's term. His physical shape is much worse than was Reagan's as well.
Do you think Trump will have greater resolution to do what is necessary when he's 82 than he had on January 6, when he was 74?
Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at December 09, 2021 11:53 AM (WWwOp)
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First off, it is undeniable Trump started his term (and finished it too) with way too much regard for the GOP establishment. They hated him, and hate him still. To this day, no one in Washington objects to the political persecution of Trump loyalists. Trump's great mistake is thinking they will "come around" and support him if he wins elections. They will not; the rot is too deep.
But, it is silly on its face to blame Trump for being the center of controversy. Controversy is a measure of his success, so (in a twisted way) the more, the better. Trump arrived in Washington determined to upend the status quo (thankfully!) and controversy is the byproduct.
Trump draws fire. He should not tip his hand on his 2024 plans until late in the game. My concern is his advanced age.
But, it is silly on its face to blame Trump for being the center of controversy. Controversy is a measure of his success, so (in a twisted way) the more, the better. Trump arrived in Washington determined to upend the status quo (thankfully!) and controversy is the byproduct.
Trump draws fire. He should not tip his hand on his 2024 plans until late in the game. My concern is his advanced age.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 09, 2021 11:53 AM (aWoBQ)
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If Trump wins in 2024, even as a lame duck, he will have no shits to give. If you think his first run at America first was great, then expect the second term to be Crush DC so it never can threaten the Republic again.
Trump has a list and the will to check items off it. He now knows who to trust and will have a more conservative house and senate. He probably has a real nice gift for McConnell.
Trump has a list and the will to check items off it. He now knows who to trust and will have a more conservative house and senate. He probably has a real nice gift for McConnell.
Posted by: Beartooth at December 09, 2021 11:53 AM (aghXp)
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And doesn't speak volumes that if Trump does run again, he doesn't really believe it was rigged on the level he told people?
Posted by: Blago at December 09, 2021 11:50 AM (PwNLq)
No because the idea is you hope they can't pull the same shit twice since you'll be looking for it. Besides they would rig it against *anyone* so why not be the guy and take the chance? Especially if everyone else is legitimately beatable.
Where did you get this hardon against Trump anyway?
Posted by: Blago at December 09, 2021 11:50 AM (PwNLq)
No because the idea is you hope they can't pull the same shit twice since you'll be looking for it. Besides they would rig it against *anyone* so why not be the guy and take the chance? Especially if everyone else is legitimately beatable.
Where did you get this hardon against Trump anyway?
Posted by: ... at December 09, 2021 11:53 AM (kxVBq)
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No. Trump should run. And like Sherman's march to Atlanta, make the cost of war unbearable for his enemies.
They should never again attempt a four-year coup.
Make them pay.
Hand the sword to DJT.
They should never again attempt a four-year coup.
Make them pay.
Hand the sword to DJT.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at December 09, 2021 11:53 AM (C7jzY)
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Out. Thanks for the thoughtful discussion, CBD, if that is you.
Posted by: flounder at December 09, 2021 11:53 AM (SH2Zi)
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They'll impeach him the moment he announces. They'll impeach him the moment he wins. They'll impeach him a dozen more times if he makes it four years.
How many times would the NeverTrump-infested Senate hold.
Posted by: Guy Smiley
They'll do that to DeathSantis or any other GOP POTUS. It wasn't about Trump; it was about ending the GOP.
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No. I bet you could have a Deep State GOPe. Somebody they have already compromised. But that won't get you what you want, unless what you want is no mean tweets, and gentlemanly capitulation.
How many times would the NeverTrump-infested Senate hold.
Posted by: Guy Smiley
They'll do that to DeathSantis or any other GOP POTUS. It wasn't about Trump; it was about ending the GOP.
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No. I bet you could have a Deep State GOPe. Somebody they have already compromised. But that won't get you what you want, unless what you want is no mean tweets, and gentlemanly capitulation.
Posted by: But but but we need someone with more Couth at December 09, 2021 11:53 AM (mXUx3)
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I honestly don't understand this fantasy that some other conservative pursuing the same policies as Trump is going to get better/fairer treatment from the media/left/GOP-establishment. Look at how the media treats any conservative group that tries to put out content.
This is 1980's thinking - that we can "get along" and there's a fair playing field.
Posted by: Mehive at December 09, 2021 11:40 AM (ky+MF)
I didn't say anybody else will get more fair treatment. Much less that we can "get along". There's no dialog with these people. What we're talking about is what will be a solid 9 years of propaganda out the window. Trump was vilified on a very personal level, and even the attack on his policies came from him being a racist nazi.
When a new person comes in, they're going to have to come up with an entirely new angle (train gang-bangs, whatever). The Trump thing won't play, unless they happen to be a blonde real estate mogul billionaire. Sure, they'll be a racist nazi too, but they'll need to figure out why to some degree. It takes a while to build the mythology. The fervor just isn't going to be the same at first.
This is 1980's thinking - that we can "get along" and there's a fair playing field.
Posted by: Mehive at December 09, 2021 11:40 AM (ky+MF)
I didn't say anybody else will get more fair treatment. Much less that we can "get along". There's no dialog with these people. What we're talking about is what will be a solid 9 years of propaganda out the window. Trump was vilified on a very personal level, and even the attack on his policies came from him being a racist nazi.
When a new person comes in, they're going to have to come up with an entirely new angle (train gang-bangs, whatever). The Trump thing won't play, unless they happen to be a blonde real estate mogul billionaire. Sure, they'll be a racist nazi too, but they'll need to figure out why to some degree. It takes a while to build the mythology. The fervor just isn't going to be the same at first.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at December 09, 2021 11:53 AM (wAnMi)
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This seems logical, but this will happen to ANY conservative Republican who wins the presidency. Trump was able to face this down without surrendering. Maybe DeSantis could too, but it's a risk.
Absolutely. Everything has risks. Renominating Trump has risks. What we're talking about here are weighing them, despite the "you hate America" types above.
Absolutely. Everything has risks. Renominating Trump has risks. What we're talking about here are weighing them, despite the "you hate America" types above.
Posted by: pep at December 09, 2021 11:54 AM (ZsR3z)
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Who hacked CBD's account? This post reeks of GOPe.
Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin
Party like it's 2016!
Who hacked CBD's account? This post reeks of GOPe.
Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin
Party like it's 2016!
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 09, 2021 11:54 AM (63Dwl)
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CBD; You're right about some. But wrong about him not running.
I think he has to run. No one else has the courage and the vision to do what needs to be done. No one else has our trust.
We should pray that he receives guidance that he heeds that guidance and we recover some of our country. Meanwhile while he's in he can encourage others to join him as he did. And with some help be prepped to take over in 2028 so we can finish the job and perhaps remove the threat of the Democrat party and the Leftist Media.
I think he has to run. No one else has the courage and the vision to do what needs to be done. No one else has our trust.
We should pray that he receives guidance that he heeds that guidance and we recover some of our country. Meanwhile while he's in he can encourage others to join him as he did. And with some help be prepped to take over in 2028 so we can finish the job and perhaps remove the threat of the Democrat party and the Leftist Media.
Posted by: jakee308 at December 09, 2021 11:54 AM (1hoTV)
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Trump is having 4 years to stew and he has plans. I will support him and no other because anyone else will be lawfared out of existence and Trump has a proven track record of not being found guilty of anything.
Posted by: Valley of Ancients at December 09, 2021 11:46 AM (h5F0w)
Yup. Trump is the most vetted president in history. And he's proved to be the most honest one.
Trump is having 4 years to stew and he has plans. I will support him and no other because anyone else will be lawfared out of existence and Trump has a proven track record of not being found guilty of anything.
Posted by: Valley of Ancients at December 09, 2021 11:46 AM (h5F0w)
Yup. Trump is the most vetted president in history. And he's proved to be the most honest one.
Posted by: I'm The Other White Meat at December 09, 2021 11:54 AM (Fs5vw)
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358 I feel like the Catch-22 from 2024 Trump supporters is if you believe the election was rigged to the point it was unwinnable, what changes with Trump in 2024?
What voting laws have changed? He hasn't lifted a finger on this front.
He's a private citizen. List what laws he can change:
1.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2021 11:52 AM (cQZxO)
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Trump is always a poor helpless victim. He was a poor helpless victim as POTUS because reasons. Now he's a poor helpless victim as a private citizen. You know what he could do? Spend some of those $billions he has on issues. Like I keep saying, he could be a right wing version of Soros. That motherfucker puts his money where is mouth is. What is Trump doing? Writing a weekly newsletter "From the Desk of Donald Trump" or whatever the fuck that is.
What voting laws have changed? He hasn't lifted a finger on this front.
He's a private citizen. List what laws he can change:
1.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2021 11:52 AM (cQZxO)
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Trump is always a poor helpless victim. He was a poor helpless victim as POTUS because reasons. Now he's a poor helpless victim as a private citizen. You know what he could do? Spend some of those $billions he has on issues. Like I keep saying, he could be a right wing version of Soros. That motherfucker puts his money where is mouth is. What is Trump doing? Writing a weekly newsletter "From the Desk of Donald Trump" or whatever the fuck that is.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 09, 2021 11:54 AM (OalnH)
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"Avoid four years of fighting by nominating a squish to lose to Dems."
No. Hard pass.
Posted by: Two Weeks at December 09, 2021 11:52 AM (ELnqd)
Read what I wrote. I said nothing about nominating a GOPe. I want a fire-breathing hard-core conservative who believes in the Constitution, but who is better at all of the things that Trump was terrible at.
No. Hard pass.
Posted by: Two Weeks at December 09, 2021 11:52 AM (ELnqd)
Read what I wrote. I said nothing about nominating a GOPe. I want a fire-breathing hard-core conservative who believes in the Constitution, but who is better at all of the things that Trump was terrible at.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2021 11:54 AM (Q9lwr)
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It's not a small point that anyone up for any job in his administration had their life turned upside-down.
This will not change if anyone out of the uniparty gets a nod.
Heck, even election lawyers were doxxed for daring to take a job having to do with elections.
Posted by: Inogame X-State Lines at December 09, 2021 11:52 AM (53oGX)
That's gonna be one of the biggest problems. I don't know how we get around that unless we're gonna crowdfund retirements for folks after the 4 years or just fill all the jobs with rich or older folks, which kinda already happened the 1st time...
This will not change if anyone out of the uniparty gets a nod.
Heck, even election lawyers were doxxed for daring to take a job having to do with elections.
Posted by: Inogame X-State Lines at December 09, 2021 11:52 AM (53oGX)
That's gonna be one of the biggest problems. I don't know how we get around that unless we're gonna crowdfund retirements for folks after the 4 years or just fill all the jobs with rich or older folks, which kinda already happened the 1st time...
Posted by: Nova local at December 09, 2021 11:54 AM (exHjb)
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Again, DeSantis will be term limited in 2024 (second term would end in 2026). Also, for those claiming he does not know Washington, are you aware he was a congressman prior to becoming governor?
Posted by: Tofer732 at December 09, 2021 11:55 AM (GcxM3)
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He's a private citizen. List what laws he can change:
1.
Posted by: rickb223
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He can be the most powerful conservative activist on Earth.
How about bankrolling propositions that get Voter integrity laws passed? Supporting candidates that promise this? Doing speeches about it?
Hell, if I were him, I would produce a documentary detailing all of it so people have answers.
But he's really done nothing about this. If I was a billionaire and I felt I had been robbed in this way, I would spend my fortune and influence "making a difference".
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Posted by: rickb223
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He can be the most powerful conservative activist on Earth.
How about bankrolling propositions that get Voter integrity laws passed? Supporting candidates that promise this? Doing speeches about it?
Hell, if I were him, I would produce a documentary detailing all of it so people have answers.
But he's really done nothing about this. If I was a billionaire and I felt I had been robbed in this way, I would spend my fortune and influence "making a difference".
Posted by: Blago at December 09, 2021 11:55 AM (PwNLq)
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EXCATLY!! In both 2000 and 2004 (or 2008 and 2012 for that matter) I was not afraid to tell anyone my political leanings. Like you said, it was an eye roll.
In 2020, I shut the hell up.
I don't think that's a Trump-related change though. That's cultural change. As the 2000s progressed, the culture changed significantly for the worse. You see this is a lot of ways: the erosion of free speech principles, radicalization of politics on race and sex, etc. You don't just have to hold your tongue about Trump, you have to hold it about virtually any serious conservative topic. If you don't believe me, conduct an experiment: start telling random people you morally disapprove of homosexuality and think gay marriage was a mistake.
In 2020, I shut the hell up.
I don't think that's a Trump-related change though. That's cultural change. As the 2000s progressed, the culture changed significantly for the worse. You see this is a lot of ways: the erosion of free speech principles, radicalization of politics on race and sex, etc. You don't just have to hold your tongue about Trump, you have to hold it about virtually any serious conservative topic. If you don't believe me, conduct an experiment: start telling random people you morally disapprove of homosexuality and think gay marriage was a mistake.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at December 09, 2021 11:55 AM (QU5/8)
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My vote is leave it up to Trump. If he doesn't mind taking the slings and arrows why should I? Pick a good VP this time, that's for sure. Someone ready to serve two terms when Trump retires.
My vote is leave it up to Trump. If he doesn't mind taking the slings and arrows why should I? Pick a good VP this time, that's for sure. Someone ready to serve two terms when Trump retires.
Posted by: Traitor Joe's Military Surplus at December 09, 2021 11:55 AM (dQvv7)
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Your thinking will lead not to Desantis winning the nomination, but someone like Jeb. B/c you want a "well mannered" candidate who can "win over the middle". That's the GOPe defined.
You mean like he or someone like him did in 2016?
Desantis doesn't have the $$, name recognition, or charisma to overcome the GOPe machine the way Trump did.
And, aside from Desantis there is currently no other GOP figure that has the $$, name recognition, or charisma that could win either the primary or general election that I would trust or vote for. Certainly not Rand. Absolutely not Rubio. I don't even truly trust Cruz - his past positions on illegal immigration and immigration reform are disqualifying.
Your fantasy land where Desantis can win the primary and will not be vilified as badly or worse than trump is simply wrong. Your believe that voters will somehow "not believe" the vilification is also nothing but misguided faith.
Believing that someone like Desantis will bring in the millions of new voters like Trump did is delusional.
You mean like he or someone like him did in 2016?
Desantis doesn't have the $$, name recognition, or charisma to overcome the GOPe machine the way Trump did.
And, aside from Desantis there is currently no other GOP figure that has the $$, name recognition, or charisma that could win either the primary or general election that I would trust or vote for. Certainly not Rand. Absolutely not Rubio. I don't even truly trust Cruz - his past positions on illegal immigration and immigration reform are disqualifying.
Your fantasy land where Desantis can win the primary and will not be vilified as badly or worse than trump is simply wrong. Your believe that voters will somehow "not believe" the vilification is also nothing but misguided faith.
Believing that someone like Desantis will bring in the millions of new voters like Trump did is delusional.
Posted by: Mehive at December 09, 2021 11:55 AM (ky+MF)
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I also believe Trump motivated 80 Million to vote for him and Sundowner had barely 60Mil
Posted by: Skip's Phone at December 09, 2021 11:57 AM (tDjbJ)
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Desantis doesn't have the $$, name recognition, or charisma to overcome the GOPe machine the way Trump did.
Posted by: Mehive at December 09, 2021 11:55 AM (ky+MF)
With Trump as a key player in his campaign he will overcome that obstacle easily.
Posted by: Mehive at December 09, 2021 11:55 AM (ky+MF)
With Trump as a key player in his campaign he will overcome that obstacle easily.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2021 11:57 AM (Q9lwr)
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Zuckerberg-Backed Election Influence Group Founder Served At Chinese State-Funded Center Pushing Beijing Propaganda
Posted by: SMOD at December 09, 2021 11:57 AM (RHGPo)
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I know a guy in Michigan who thinks DeSantis is the Devil and that Gretchen Whitmer is a great Governor.
Grossly uninformed dude. With a Vote.
Grossly uninformed dude. With a Vote.
Posted by: garrett at December 09, 2021 11:57 AM (tmNnT)
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Trump makes a wonderful distraction, don't you think?
He waited most all his life to run -- didn't enter the ring until he knew he could win. Because why? He loves this country. He knows what he's doing - shaking up DC from the outside, like he shook it up on the inside. Why would he want to be back in the swampy stench again? That's precisely why so many smart leaders don't run for office -- it's bullshittery 24/7 -- and smart people want to get things done, not get jacked around. It's amazing what Trump accomplished -- with a team he had to pull together from the swamp.
Until then, what does it hurt anyone if the left is terrified of him running in 2024?
This Morning Rant serves its purpose, too -- in preparing Trump supporters for non-candidate Trump's influence outside of DC.
He waited most all his life to run -- didn't enter the ring until he knew he could win. Because why? He loves this country. He knows what he's doing - shaking up DC from the outside, like he shook it up on the inside. Why would he want to be back in the swampy stench again? That's precisely why so many smart leaders don't run for office -- it's bullshittery 24/7 -- and smart people want to get things done, not get jacked around. It's amazing what Trump accomplished -- with a team he had to pull together from the swamp.
Until then, what does it hurt anyone if the left is terrified of him running in 2024?
This Morning Rant serves its purpose, too -- in preparing Trump supporters for non-candidate Trump's influence outside of DC.
Posted by: Coki at December 09, 2021 11:57 AM (n8njf)
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Desantis isn't some master politician at the top of his game either. He's a relative new comer, and we have no idea if he has the kind of backing in DC that would be needed to be effective. I seriously doubt he does, because his last name isn't' Bush.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 09, 2021 11:58 AM (UuD2k)
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This system can't be fixed from within. Not by Trump. Not by anyone.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 09, 2021 11:47 AM (2ABQr)
The opinion that has a snowball's chance in hell of even starting to repair it still requires action from outside the Federal Government.
We need an Article V convention to impose term limits. I suggest standardizing the term to 4 years across all elected offices, and capping all offices at 2 terms. Eliminating the ability of long-serving Congresscritters to act like mafia kingpins would go a long way.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 09, 2021 11:47 AM (2ABQr)
The opinion that has a snowball's chance in hell of even starting to repair it still requires action from outside the Federal Government.
We need an Article V convention to impose term limits. I suggest standardizing the term to 4 years across all elected offices, and capping all offices at 2 terms. Eliminating the ability of long-serving Congresscritters to act like mafia kingpins would go a long way.
Posted by: Cato, Post-Apocalyptic Scourge of the Seas at December 09, 2021 11:58 AM (Msrhc)
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Trump needs impeachment insurance as a VP. Pence was not it. (Biggest tell that he was really deep state.) Trump absolutely needs someone who is ANATHEMA to the deeps state.
Posted by: But but but we need someone with more Couth at December 09, 2021 11:38 AM (VtB7b)
Rand Paul then... or a real conservative from the House.
I like Rand, but that's losing a good Senator.
Posted by: But but but we need someone with more Couth at December 09, 2021 11:38 AM (VtB7b)
Rand Paul then... or a real conservative from the House.
I like Rand, but that's losing a good Senator.
Posted by: Inogame X-State Lines at December 09, 2021 11:58 AM (53oGX)
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I'm not saying this is Trump's fault, but the media has created being a Trump supporter close to the level of supporting David Duke.
Posted by: Blago at December 09, 2021 11:48 AM (PwNLq)
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EXCATLY!! In both 2000 and 2004 (or 2008 and 2012 for that matter) I was not afraid to tell anyone my political leanings. Like you said, it was an eye roll.
In 2020, I shut the hell up.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delt
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So your problem is that Trump makes your life uncomfortable.
Posted by: Blago at December 09, 2021 11:48 AM (PwNLq)
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EXCATLY!! In both 2000 and 2004 (or 2008 and 2012 for that matter) I was not afraid to tell anyone my political leanings. Like you said, it was an eye roll.
In 2020, I shut the hell up.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delt
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So your problem is that Trump makes your life uncomfortable.
Posted by: But but but we need someone with more Couth at December 09, 2021 11:58 AM (VtB7b)
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Your fantasy land where Desantis can win the primary and will not be vilified as badly or worse than trump is simply wrong. Your believe that voters will somehow "not believe" the vilification is also nothing but misguided faith.
I was prepared to answer your objections, but since you seem to be unwilling to talk like an adult, I'll ignore you now.
I was prepared to answer your objections, but since you seem to be unwilling to talk like an adult, I'll ignore you now.
Posted by: pep at December 09, 2021 11:58 AM (ZsR3z)
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With Trump as a key player in his campaign he will overcome that obstacle easily.
So, Trump's toxic, but none of that will rub off on a handpicked successor? How does that work?
So, Trump's toxic, but none of that will rub off on a handpicked successor? How does that work?
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at December 09, 2021 11:58 AM (QU5/8)
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But he's really done nothing about this. If I was a billionaire and I felt I had been robbed in this way, I would spend my fortune and influence "making a difference".
Posted by: Blago at December 09, 2021 11:55 AM (PwNLq)
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Which means one of two things..
1. He doesn't think he was robbed and it was all theater
2. He doesn't have any fight left
In either case, it means he needs to go off into the sunset and let a new generation of conservative Republicans take over.
Posted by: Blago at December 09, 2021 11:55 AM (PwNLq)
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Which means one of two things..
1. He doesn't think he was robbed and it was all theater
2. He doesn't have any fight left
In either case, it means he needs to go off into the sunset and let a new generation of conservative Republicans take over.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 09, 2021 11:58 AM (OalnH)
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The fervor just isn't going to be the same at first.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at December 09, 2021 11:53 AM (wAnMi)
The strength of "fervor" is in direct relation to our guy's effectiveness and popularity . They did it to Palin and then Trump. Same fervor. And with both it was very fast. Palin went from unknown, to adored
to hated stupid hillbilly racist trash in the blink of an eye. It will happen to anyone who is not a POS scumbag aisle reacher.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at December 09, 2021 11:53 AM (wAnMi)
The strength of "fervor" is in direct relation to our guy's effectiveness and popularity . They did it to Palin and then Trump. Same fervor. And with both it was very fast. Palin went from unknown, to adored
to hated stupid hillbilly racist trash in the blink of an eye. It will happen to anyone who is not a POS scumbag aisle reacher.
Posted by: ... at December 09, 2021 11:58 AM (kxVBq)
Posted by: irongrampa at December 09, 2021 11:59 AM (KATBx)
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And please point out Trump's stumbles on his economic team. Do you think the economy will be important next election? I do remember that people thought Mnuchin would be awful as Sec of the Treasury, but there weren't many problems there. And there was no turnover, no backstabbing.
Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at December 09, 2021 11:59 AM (5HBd1)
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347 But do it better this time. Scorched earth has a nice ring to it.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2021 11:47 AM (Q9lwr)
By discarding the one tool proven to be willing to and capable of taking the fight to the left and winning?
Posted by: flounder at December 09, 2021 11:49 AM (SH2Zi)
I think this is the nub of CBD's argument, and it has a ring of truth behind it, of course. We want a fighter like Trump proved to be, but someone who will get the other half of the country behind them as well - without getting us into a war, which was the traditional way that unification was achieved. I love Trump, of course, but the shortcomings were clear as well. In many ways, there wasn't a Trump Administration - only Trump. This was very bad, ultimately.
DeSantis can certainly take the mantle, but he has to do something that he hasn't done yet. Fully embrace Trumpism publicly, but show that his take is different. He implies it by some of his actions, but he needs to make it explicit, and sooner rather than later. For me, that's an important first step to get me to more enthusiastically support Heavy D. Until then, he strikes me as a smart triangulator.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2021 11:47 AM (Q9lwr)
By discarding the one tool proven to be willing to and capable of taking the fight to the left and winning?
Posted by: flounder at December 09, 2021 11:49 AM (SH2Zi)
I think this is the nub of CBD's argument, and it has a ring of truth behind it, of course. We want a fighter like Trump proved to be, but someone who will get the other half of the country behind them as well - without getting us into a war, which was the traditional way that unification was achieved. I love Trump, of course, but the shortcomings were clear as well. In many ways, there wasn't a Trump Administration - only Trump. This was very bad, ultimately.
DeSantis can certainly take the mantle, but he has to do something that he hasn't done yet. Fully embrace Trumpism publicly, but show that his take is different. He implies it by some of his actions, but he needs to make it explicit, and sooner rather than later. For me, that's an important first step to get me to more enthusiastically support Heavy D. Until then, he strikes me as a smart triangulator.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at December 09, 2021 11:59 AM (C61w6)
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Favorite Media Hack Matt Dowd Quits Texas Lt. Governor's Race for Sake of 'Diversity'
Posted by: SMOD at December 09, 2021 11:59 AM (RHGPo)
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Trump kept Hillary out of high office.
OK, read again what I just typed.
Now, go sit in the corner...
OK, read again what I just typed.
Now, go sit in the corner...
Posted by: gourmand du jour at December 09, 2021 11:59 AM (jTmQV)
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With Trump as a key player in his campaign he will overcome that obstacle easily.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2021 11:57 AM (Q9lwr)
That would just make him (DeSantis) look weak.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2021 11:57 AM (Q9lwr)
That would just make him (DeSantis) look weak.
Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know at December 09, 2021 11:59 AM (nLrWw)
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Bull roar. Firstly, whichever Republican runs, and wins will result in a four-year battle. Have you learned nothing about Democrats over the years? Secondly, we need Trump. He is the only one willing and able to go to the wall to destroy the deep state and do great harm to the Democrat party, major media, and social media. I am done with your site.
Posted by: Arnie at December 09, 2021 11:59 AM (3t2jr)
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Desantis isn't some master politician at the top of his game either. He's a relative new comer, and we have no idea if he has the kind of backing in DC that would be needed to be effective. I seriously doubt he does, because his last name isn't' Bush.
I suspect that in 2024, the backing of the GOPe will not be seen as a good thing.
I suspect that in 2024, the backing of the GOPe will not be seen as a good thing.
Posted by: pep at December 09, 2021 11:59 AM (ZsR3z)
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Nothing whatsoever prevents President Trump from BOTH influencing the 2022 and 2024 primaries AND running for a second term.
Yes, of course the Deep State will be livid. But there is no sign any current politician could accomplish.nearly as much to get the US back on track. As a free bonus we'll find out which GOP Deep Staters don't really back the MAGA program and desperately want to go back to drifting slowly Left and Down.
Yes, of course the Deep State will be livid. But there is no sign any current politician could accomplish.nearly as much to get the US back on track. As a free bonus we'll find out which GOP Deep Staters don't really back the MAGA program and desperately want to go back to drifting slowly Left and Down.
Posted by: Lawrence Duffield at December 09, 2021 12:00 PM (DNZtu)
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Read what I wrote.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2021 11:46 AM (Q9lwr)
I did. I agree 100% with you. The left is going to crap on anyone that isn't RINO GOPe. We may as well put an asshie with no shits to give in the position. As stated earlier, i want DeSantis right where he is, leading by example for otjer governors to see how it's done.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2021 11:46 AM (Q9lwr)
I did. I agree 100% with you. The left is going to crap on anyone that isn't RINO GOPe. We may as well put an asshie with no shits to give in the position. As stated earlier, i want DeSantis right where he is, leading by example for otjer governors to see how it's done.
Posted by: BifBewalski @ (IJES/) - at December 09, 2021 12:00 PM (IJES/)
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President Trump...Don't Run.
Be the king-maker that you have demonstrated you can be.
I concur. He's more powerful and effective now than he was as president. There's nobody stopping him now, and they can't attack him effectively.
Be the king-maker that you have demonstrated you can be.
I concur. He's more powerful and effective now than he was as president. There's nobody stopping him now, and they can't attack him effectively.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2021 12:00 PM (KZzsI)
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Trump makes a wonderful distraction, don't you think?
He waited most all his life to run -- didn't enter the ring until he knew he could win. Because why? He loves this country. He knows what he's doing - shaking up DC from the outside, like he shook it up on the inside. Why would he want to be back in the swampy stench again? That's precisely why so many smart leaders don't run for office -- it's bullshittery 24/7 -- and smart people want to get things done, not get jacked around. It's amazing what Trump accomplished -- with a team he had to pull together from the swamp.
Until then, what does it hurt anyone if the left is terrified of him running in 2024?
This Morning Rant serves its purpose, too -- in preparing Trump supporters for non-candidate Trump's influence outside of DC.
Posted by: Coki at December 09, 2021 11:57 AM
Uh Trump was convinced he was going to lose two days before the election and said he knew he really never had a chance to win against hillary.
He waited most all his life to run -- didn't enter the ring until he knew he could win. Because why? He loves this country. He knows what he's doing - shaking up DC from the outside, like he shook it up on the inside. Why would he want to be back in the swampy stench again? That's precisely why so many smart leaders don't run for office -- it's bullshittery 24/7 -- and smart people want to get things done, not get jacked around. It's amazing what Trump accomplished -- with a team he had to pull together from the swamp.
Until then, what does it hurt anyone if the left is terrified of him running in 2024?
This Morning Rant serves its purpose, too -- in preparing Trump supporters for non-candidate Trump's influence outside of DC.
Posted by: Coki at December 09, 2021 11:57 AM
Uh Trump was convinced he was going to lose two days before the election and said he knew he really never had a chance to win against hillary.
Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at December 09, 2021 12:00 PM (bVYXr)
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Trump has a list and the will to check items off it. He now knows who to trust and will have a more conservative house and senate. He probably has a real nice gift for McConnell.
Posted by: Beartooth at December 09, 2021 11:53 AM (aghXp)
I can't say I wouldn't love to see him come back and dismantle the GOPe, if it's even remotely possible. His return (hell, just the election) would at the very least be the most entertainment in my lifetime. I suppose 2022 is going to be the big tell on what may or may not be possible moving forward.
Posted by: Beartooth at December 09, 2021 11:53 AM (aghXp)
I can't say I wouldn't love to see him come back and dismantle the GOPe, if it's even remotely possible. His return (hell, just the election) would at the very least be the most entertainment in my lifetime. I suppose 2022 is going to be the big tell on what may or may not be possible moving forward.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at December 09, 2021 12:00 PM (wAnMi)
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I have always thought that the Strategic Defense Initiative (that was its name, right?) was the most effective weapons system ever as it worked without even being built.
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Have we met??
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Have we met??
Posted by: Fellow Travelers and Useful Idiots at December 09, 2021 12:00 PM (UHVv4)
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not first
Posted by: JT at December 09, 2021 12:00 PM (arJlL)
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We want a fighter like Trump proved to be, but someone who will get the other half of the country behind them as well
Posted by: Darrell Harris at December 09, 2021 11:59 AM (C61w6)
What world are you living in? You need to look at bit harder at "the other half of the country".
Posted by: Darrell Harris at December 09, 2021 11:59 AM (C61w6)
What world are you living in? You need to look at bit harder at "the other half of the country".
Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know at December 09, 2021 12:01 PM (nLrWw)
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When a new person comes in, they're going to have to come up with an entirely new angle (train gang-bangs, whatever). The Trump thing won't play, unless they happen to be a blonde real estate mogul billionaire. Sure, they'll be a racist nazi too, but they'll need to figure out why to some degree. It takes a while to build the mythology. The fervor just isn't going to be the same at first.
Posted by: clutch cargo
Based on what? the ferver has amped up every 4 years during my lifetime. What happened to Trump wasn't unique, it is the culmination of decades of social warfare from the left, and it continues and will continue.
This belief that what happened to trump was unique because of Trump's personality ignores our electoral history and how the left operates. Remember Bush Derangement Syndrome? There were psychiatrists writing pieces about how they had to treat people because they were so traumatized by Bush's election and re-election.
Your thinking is the belief that we can return to normalcy. We cannot. This is the new normal and the left is going to ratchet up the hatred even worse every election. It doesn't matter how "well mannered" the candidate is.
Posted by: clutch cargo
Based on what? the ferver has amped up every 4 years during my lifetime. What happened to Trump wasn't unique, it is the culmination of decades of social warfare from the left, and it continues and will continue.
This belief that what happened to trump was unique because of Trump's personality ignores our electoral history and how the left operates. Remember Bush Derangement Syndrome? There were psychiatrists writing pieces about how they had to treat people because they were so traumatized by Bush's election and re-election.
Your thinking is the belief that we can return to normalcy. We cannot. This is the new normal and the left is going to ratchet up the hatred even worse every election. It doesn't matter how "well mannered" the candidate is.
Posted by: Mehive at December 09, 2021 12:01 PM (ky+MF)
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For me, that's an important first step to get me to more enthusiastically support Heavy D.
Heh. That would be awesome on the campaign trail.
Heh. That would be awesome on the campaign trail.
Posted by: pep at December 09, 2021 12:01 PM (ZsR3z)
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So your problem is that Trump makes your life uncomfortable.
Posted by: But but but we need someone with more Couth at December 09, 2021 11:58 AM (VtB7b)
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No. My problem is that Trump has been vilified to the point where publicly supporting him could mean my livelihood is threatened. And yes, that is not his fault. But it is fucking reality. And some of you here want to close your eyes and just wish all this shit away.
I'm pretty fucking sure if I tell my co-workers I like DeSantis in 2024, they may think I'm nuts. But I won't fear getting fired over it. If I tell them I want Trump to run again and win, I may well get fired. Sorry if that bothers you.
Posted by: But but but we need someone with more Couth at December 09, 2021 11:58 AM (VtB7b)
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No. My problem is that Trump has been vilified to the point where publicly supporting him could mean my livelihood is threatened. And yes, that is not his fault. But it is fucking reality. And some of you here want to close your eyes and just wish all this shit away.
I'm pretty fucking sure if I tell my co-workers I like DeSantis in 2024, they may think I'm nuts. But I won't fear getting fired over it. If I tell them I want Trump to run again and win, I may well get fired. Sorry if that bothers you.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 09, 2021 12:01 PM (OalnH)
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The left is going to crap on anyone that isn't RINO GOPe.
They called Romney and McCain Satan VonHitler cubed. It doesn't matter what their positions or politics are, if they stand between a Democrat and power, they're hated and attacked.
Then later, once in a while, the left admits it was all lying idiocy and these were good people.
https://tinyurl.com/y6e5u8ek
They called Romney and McCain Satan VonHitler cubed. It doesn't matter what their positions or politics are, if they stand between a Democrat and power, they're hated and attacked.
Then later, once in a while, the left admits it was all lying idiocy and these were good people.
https://tinyurl.com/y6e5u8ek
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2021 12:01 PM (KZzsI)
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Uh Trump was convinced he was going to lose two days before the election and said he knew he really never had a chance to win against hillary.
Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at December 09, 2021 12:00 PM (bVYXr)
I've heard him say the opposite.
Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at December 09, 2021 12:00 PM (bVYXr)
I've heard him say the opposite.
Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know at December 09, 2021 12:02 PM (nLrWw)
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Anybody who opposes the deep state and its schemes against America and its citizens will be destroyed in reputation, business and family;
and if that doesn't work, they'll be conveniently suicided having packed suitcases and a plane ticket on the dresser.
We have been invaded, intimidated and jailed by a cabal that answers to no one...now come the Australian isolation camps to corral deplorable bitter clinger anti-vaxxers, wanna bet?
and if that doesn't work, they'll be conveniently suicided having packed suitcases and a plane ticket on the dresser.
We have been invaded, intimidated and jailed by a cabal that answers to no one...now come the Australian isolation camps to corral deplorable bitter clinger anti-vaxxers, wanna bet?
Posted by: Ju at December 09, 2021 12:02 PM (aTmM/)
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But he's really done nothing about this. If I was a billionaire and I felt I had been robbed in this way, I would spend my fortune and influence "making a difference".
Posted by: Blago at December 09, 2021 11:55 AM (PwNLq)
I've seen similar sentiments in the comments before, and I always wonder what makes people think Trump is not using his wealth to make a difference. Is it because the lying media is not publicizing it?
Posted by: Blago at December 09, 2021 11:55 AM (PwNLq)
I've seen similar sentiments in the comments before, and I always wonder what makes people think Trump is not using his wealth to make a difference. Is it because the lying media is not publicizing it?
Posted by: Emmie at December 09, 2021 12:02 PM (6RgRK)
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Trump's net worth is tied up in buildings / real estate. A large portion of it is probably "goodwill". He's also not as wealthy as a Soros or Bloomberg.
I'd love to have a right-wing version of a Soros. The country needs something to counteract the funding of a marxist takeover of the country. But that person isn't Trump.
I'd love to have a right-wing version of a Soros. The country needs something to counteract the funding of a marxist takeover of the country. But that person isn't Trump.
Posted by: Revenant at December 09, 2021 12:02 PM (C35Jn)
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Incidentally, I saw on OANN that Gretchen Whitmer has come out *against* vax mandates, and the Senate passed a bill to prevent Biden from imposing them. DNC internal polling on them must be catastrophic.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2021 12:02 PM (ZGrMX)
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Coronavirus deaths have reportedly spiked 14 percent in two weeks.
While President "FoulUp" Biden promised to "shut down the virus" at least ten times during the 2020 presidential campaign, the Chinese coronavirus has remained a threat to Americans, killing more people in the past ten months than it did during Donald Trump's presidency. It is claimed that more Americans have died from the vaccine than died in the VietNam War.
While President "FoulUp" Biden promised to "shut down the virus" at least ten times during the 2020 presidential campaign, the Chinese coronavirus has remained a threat to Americans, killing more people in the past ten months than it did during Donald Trump's presidency. It is claimed that more Americans have died from the vaccine than died in the VietNam War.
Posted by: SMOD at December 09, 2021 12:02 PM (RHGPo)
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I want a fire-breathing hard-core conservative who believes in the Constitution, but who is better at all of the things that Trump was terrible at.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2021 11:54 AM (Q9lwr)
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Does not exist.
This is an evolutionary process. Republicans first must go through the "break it" stage of politics, breathing fire on the institutions calcifying America. Only then will a politician emerge like you want to see, a builder, who governs in a last government is best way.
You may not think Trump will meet your governing desires, but no one can.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2021 11:54 AM (Q9lwr)
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Does not exist.
This is an evolutionary process. Republicans first must go through the "break it" stage of politics, breathing fire on the institutions calcifying America. Only then will a politician emerge like you want to see, a builder, who governs in a last government is best way.
You may not think Trump will meet your governing desires, but no one can.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 09, 2021 12:02 PM (aWoBQ)
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BTW - and this is not directed to ward anyone specific - if you weren't an early Trump adopter - let's be generous and say by February of 2016, then your opinion on what Trump should or shouldn't do means fuck all.
I don't care what you "learned" since then. You are at best a bandwagoner and at worst a shirt changer who can feel the wind when it's at hurricane strength.
I don't care what you "learned" since then. You are at best a bandwagoner and at worst a shirt changer who can feel the wind when it's at hurricane strength.
Posted by: ... at December 09, 2021 12:03 PM (kxVBq)
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Uh Trump was convinced he was going to lose two days before the election and said he knew he really never had a chance to win against hillary.
Yeah he was shocked and unready when he won. He had no team in place, because he figured he was going to lose.
Yeah he was shocked and unready when he won. He had no team in place, because he figured he was going to lose.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2021 12:03 PM (KZzsI)
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The left is going to crap on anyone that isn't RINO GOPe.
I remember John McCain being Literally Hitler and the left mocking his war injuries that prevented him from typing on a computer.
I remember John McCain being Literally Hitler and the left mocking his war injuries that prevented him from typing on a computer.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2021 12:03 PM (ZGrMX)
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I don't think I can ever get past Trump Not firing Fauci.
Personnel choices are maybe the biggest problem I had with Trump's Presidency.
Guy asked Comey to stay on, kept Sessions on, Scaramucci, to even his Veep Pence was a total GOPe sellout. It was always an excuse despite Trump making these decisions.
Personnel choices are maybe the biggest problem I had with Trump's Presidency.
Guy asked Comey to stay on, kept Sessions on, Scaramucci, to even his Veep Pence was a total GOPe sellout. It was always an excuse despite Trump making these decisions.
Posted by: Blago at December 09, 2021 12:03 PM (PwNLq)
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I was prepared to answer your objections, but since you seem to be unwilling to talk like an adult, I'll ignore you now.
Posted by: pep
Too funny. In other words, you cannot respond to my point and you realize I am correct. I love responses like this, always makes me laugh.
Posted by: pep
Too funny. In other words, you cannot respond to my point and you realize I am correct. I love responses like this, always makes me laugh.
Posted by: Mehive at December 09, 2021 12:03 PM (ky+MF)
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Go away.
Posted by: Fisht at December 09, 2021 12:03 PM (g5ddn)
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The Emperor makes people uncomfortable. We need someone with a calm, reassuring presence out there, like Vader.
Posted by: Stormtrooper's Local Union #427 at December 09, 2021 12:03 PM (QU5/8)
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 09, 2021 12:03 PM (aWoBQ)
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Secondly, we need Trump. He is the only one willing and able to go to the wall to destroy the deep state and do great harm to the Democrat party, major media, and social media. I am done with your site.
Posted by: Arnie at December 09, 2021 11:59 AM (3t2jr)
Well, before you flounce off, perhaps you should read what I actually wrote. Trump is vital...as a king-maker and as the guiding hand of a newly energized conservative/Republican coalition.
You may leave now.
Posted by: Arnie at December 09, 2021 11:59 AM (3t2jr)
Well, before you flounce off, perhaps you should read what I actually wrote. Trump is vital...as a king-maker and as the guiding hand of a newly energized conservative/Republican coalition.
You may leave now.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2021 12:04 PM (Q9lwr)
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A new version of the Omicron coronavirus variant was designated on Tuesday that experts say will be harder to track because of its genetics.
The new lineage, called BA.2, has been spotted seven times so far across South Africa, Australia, and Canada.
BA.2 is genetically quite different from the original Omicron lineage, now called BA.1, which has been spreading across the world, said Francois Balloux, the director of the University College London Genetics Institute, per The Guardian.
The new lineage, called BA.2, has been spotted seven times so far across South Africa, Australia, and Canada.
BA.2 is genetically quite different from the original Omicron lineage, now called BA.1, which has been spreading across the world, said Francois Balloux, the director of the University College London Genetics Institute, per The Guardian.
Posted by: SMOD at December 09, 2021 12:04 PM (RHGPo)
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If I tell them I want Trump to run again and win, I may well get fired. Sorry if that bothers you.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 09, 2021 12:01 PM (OalnH)
You know we have secret ballots, right?
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 09, 2021 12:01 PM (OalnH)
You know we have secret ballots, right?
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 09, 2021 12:04 PM (Y5qcH)
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Favorite Media Hack Matt Dowd Quits Texas Lt. Governor's Race for Sake of 'Diversity'
Posted by: SMOD
Ala, "How Can I Make My Loser Of A Campaign Look Better Than Reality?"
Posted by: SMOD
Ala, "How Can I Make My Loser Of A Campaign Look Better Than Reality?"
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2021 12:04 PM (cQZxO)
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Bob Dole's voting dem...count on it.
My father voted Republican his whole life, but it's been the straight Democratic ticket ever since!
My father voted Republican his whole life, but it's been the straight Democratic ticket ever since!
Posted by: Cthillary, dead but dreaming at December 09, 2021 12:04 PM (zSyrn)
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I suspect that in 2024, the backing of the GOPe will not be seen as a good thing.
Posted by: pep at December 09, 2021 11:59 AM (ZsR3z)
Exactly. The GOPe backing DeSantis as the kinder, gentler Trump will be the kiss of death for Heavy D. He needs to head that off now, rather than later. They will promise him a real infrastructure to support his goals, but that is a Siren song. Avoid it.
Posted by: pep at December 09, 2021 11:59 AM (ZsR3z)
Exactly. The GOPe backing DeSantis as the kinder, gentler Trump will be the kiss of death for Heavy D. He needs to head that off now, rather than later. They will promise him a real infrastructure to support his goals, but that is a Siren song. Avoid it.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at December 09, 2021 12:04 PM (C61w6)
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I am the person for this job. I support Trump's policies and I'm a likeable fellow. People love me! Plus, I like to kick people in the nut-sack which could come in quite handy.
Posted by: Eisenhorn at December 09, 2021 12:05 PM (iWVSs)
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What Trump taught us is that our fortunes rise and fall with the composition of Congress. We need hundred of Trumps, who can take the slings and arrows, and DeSantis's, who can forcefully articulate and follow through on precisely what constituents want (the productive class knows what it needs).
Melania had it right with here "eff Christmas decorations" comment when there were more important matters at hand. Trump's time dealing with "resisters" (who vanished with this administration) and pressers and talkies with world leaders was a waste of a good man's time. What's running DC is outside of DC - and Trump, being the dedicated worker he is, is setting up the charges to shake DC again, from the outside.
Melania had it right with here "eff Christmas decorations" comment when there were more important matters at hand. Trump's time dealing with "resisters" (who vanished with this administration) and pressers and talkies with world leaders was a waste of a good man's time. What's running DC is outside of DC - and Trump, being the dedicated worker he is, is setting up the charges to shake DC again, from the outside.
Posted by: Coki at December 09, 2021 12:05 PM (n8njf)
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Posted by: ... at December 09, 2021 12:03 PM (kxVBq)
You should write a book on how to sway people to your positions.
You should write a book on how to sway people to your positions.
Posted by: Just a side note at December 09, 2021 12:05 PM (VJ4aP)
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Incidentally, I saw on OANN that Gretchen Whitmer has come out *against* vax mandates
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And when you've lost a Wicked Whitmer...
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And when you've lost a Wicked Whitmer...
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 09, 2021 12:05 PM (aWoBQ)
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Trump's net worth is tied up in buildings / real estate. A large portion of it is probably "goodwill". He's also not as wealthy as a Soros or Bloomberg.
Their wealth is largely tied up in assets not in a vault they swim around in like Scrooge McDuck. Trump owns chunks of downtown Manhattan; that value is not going down for the foreseeable future.
Almost nobody who is super wealthy can access 80% of that wealth in anything less than months. The very act of accessing most of it would decrease their wealth: selling off large chunks of stock would cause its value to dump.
Their wealth is largely tied up in assets not in a vault they swim around in like Scrooge McDuck. Trump owns chunks of downtown Manhattan; that value is not going down for the foreseeable future.
Almost nobody who is super wealthy can access 80% of that wealth in anything less than months. The very act of accessing most of it would decrease their wealth: selling off large chunks of stock would cause its value to dump.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2021 12:05 PM (KZzsI)
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Fauci says families should 'ask,' 'maybe require' proctology exam for holiday guests before indoor celebrations
Posted by: SMOD at December 09, 2021 12:06 PM (RHGPo)
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I don't think I can ever get past Trump Not firing Fauci.
Personnel choices are maybe the biggest problem I had with Trump's Presidency.
Guy asked Comey to stay on, kept Sessions on, Scaramucci, to even his Veep Pence was a total GOPe sellout. It was always an excuse despite Trump making these decisions.
Posted by: Blago at December 09, 2021 12:03 PM (PwNLq)
He could have shitcanned Milley when it would have made a difference. What Obama did to the military leadership wasn't a secret or anything.
Personnel choices are maybe the biggest problem I had with Trump's Presidency.
Guy asked Comey to stay on, kept Sessions on, Scaramucci, to even his Veep Pence was a total GOPe sellout. It was always an excuse despite Trump making these decisions.
Posted by: Blago at December 09, 2021 12:03 PM (PwNLq)
He could have shitcanned Milley when it would have made a difference. What Obama did to the military leadership wasn't a secret or anything.
Posted by: hogmartin at December 09, 2021 12:06 PM (P4LRL)
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"421 Trump's net worth is tied up in buildings / real estate. A large portion of it is probably "goodwill". He's also not as wealthy as a Soros or Bloomberg."
It's always an excuse for why Trump doesn't do X. Poor guy, he reaaaaaly wants to help, but you know, he can't cuz, reasons.
You think Soros has a billion dollars in cash under his mattress or something? All these billionaires have their net worth in assets for some sort. But Soros sells those assets and gives money to left wing causes.
I'm not saying Trump needs to liquidate everything. But how about $1M here and $1M there for grassroots organizations. He's done nothing like that.
It's always an excuse for why Trump doesn't do X. Poor guy, he reaaaaaly wants to help, but you know, he can't cuz, reasons.
You think Soros has a billion dollars in cash under his mattress or something? All these billionaires have their net worth in assets for some sort. But Soros sells those assets and gives money to left wing causes.
I'm not saying Trump needs to liquidate everything. But how about $1M here and $1M there for grassroots organizations. He's done nothing like that.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 09, 2021 12:06 PM (OalnH)
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439 I am the person for this job. I support Trump's policies and I'm a likeable fellow. People love me! Plus, I like to kick people in the nut-sack which could come in quite handy.
Posted by: Eisenhorn at December 09, 2021 12:05 PM (iWVSs)
"Eisenhorn for Nutsack-kicker 2024!!" You have my support!
Posted by: Eisenhorn at December 09, 2021 12:05 PM (iWVSs)
"Eisenhorn for Nutsack-kicker 2024!!" You have my support!
Posted by: Coki at December 09, 2021 12:06 PM (n8njf)
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Your thinking is the belief that we can return to normalcy. We cannot. This is the new normal and the left is going to ratchet up the hatred even worse every election. It doesn't matter how "well mannered" the candidate is.
Posted by: Mehive at December 09, 2021 12:01 PM (ky+MF)
And people need to be ready for that. Expecting different is foolish and leads to disappointment. Like those who turned away from Palin because she'd been effectively "tainted". Whoever runs will be turned into a monster and will know that before they start. Anyone they hire will be attacked in restaurants and have their family members harassed, so anyone they hire will be someone willing to face that.
Support Trump or a different candidate. Support whoever seems best. But don't expect different treatment of them or their family or anyone they appoint or hire.
Posted by: Mehive at December 09, 2021 12:01 PM (ky+MF)
And people need to be ready for that. Expecting different is foolish and leads to disappointment. Like those who turned away from Palin because she'd been effectively "tainted". Whoever runs will be turned into a monster and will know that before they start. Anyone they hire will be attacked in restaurants and have their family members harassed, so anyone they hire will be someone willing to face that.
Support Trump or a different candidate. Support whoever seems best. But don't expect different treatment of them or their family or anyone they appoint or hire.
Posted by: Synova at December 09, 2021 12:07 PM (BD/yx)
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Be the actual Monster GEOTUS or find a stealth one.
Posted by: DaveA at December 09, 2021 12:07 PM (FhXTo)
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The number of people with the combination of Trump's spine, force of will, and loyalty to the conservative movement counts to exactly 1.
There may be more but I guarantee they all have the last name Trump.
Reality doesn't become what we want it to be. People take what Trump did for granted and I can guarantee you those people all joined the bandwagon late becauss Muh Cruz or some even worse shit.
There may be more but I guarantee they all have the last name Trump.
Reality doesn't become what we want it to be. People take what Trump did for granted and I can guarantee you those people all joined the bandwagon late becauss Muh Cruz or some even worse shit.
Posted by: ... at December 09, 2021 12:07 PM (kxVBq)
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The Emperor makes people uncomfortable. We need someone with a calm, reassuring presence out there, like Vader.
Posted by: Stormtrooper's Local Union #427 at December 09, 2021 12:03 PM (QU5/
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Well, Vader is more forgiving.
Posted by: Stormtrooper's Local Union #427 at December 09, 2021 12:03 PM (QU5/
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Well, Vader is more forgiving.
Posted by: Revenant at December 09, 2021 12:07 PM (C35Jn)
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I am glad that Trump is off Twitter. His Tweets became a huge distraction and did more harm than good. He's got to have more self control and listen to constructive criticism if he plans on running.
Posted by: redridinghood at December 09, 2021 12:07 PM (NpAcC)
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What has Trump said lately about the Jan 6 political prisoners?
Posted by: Just a side note at December 09, 2021 12:07 PM (VJ4aP)
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We want a fighter like Trump proved to be, but someone who will get the other half of the country behind them as well
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The perfect is the enemy of the good. It is not an achievable goal.
You fight with what you have, not what you wish you had. Oh I only have a 45 cal I won't use that too brutish, I wish I had my 9mm.
There is no mystical hero going to appear in the primary.
We want a fighter like Trump proved to be, but someone who will get the other half of the country behind them as well
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The perfect is the enemy of the good. It is not an achievable goal.
You fight with what you have, not what you wish you had. Oh I only have a 45 cal I won't use that too brutish, I wish I had my 9mm.
There is no mystical hero going to appear in the primary.
Posted by: But but but we need someone with more Couth at December 09, 2021 12:07 PM (zCU/K)
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I'm not getting into a prickly or contentious knockdown on Trump's suitability for another run (because I luvs you morons!), but I will inject one or two thoughts. I would walk over glass in my bare feet to vote for him because I trust the man. Compared to any other rank politician, that's saying a lot these days. I know he made mistakes and had missteps. He's still the best president I've ever had, except for Ronald Reagan. I'd love dearly to see a Trump/Desantis ticket. Half this country will s**t bricks for whomever runs against the Communist party. I don't care. It is what it is, so let them froth and foam at the mouth. They'll do it regardless.
Posted by: Lady in Black at December 09, 2021 12:07 PM (sVtYq)
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This post has been one of the most interesting, stay on topic, give and take discussion of late. Many well thought out comments.
Posted by: old chick at December 09, 2021 12:08 PM (sOete)
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Scientists say a skeleton found with a nail through its foot in England is rare evidence of a Roman crucifixion.
Yet another group will be looking for reparations
Yet another group will be looking for reparations
Posted by: SMOD at December 09, 2021 12:08 PM (RHGPo)
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Personnel choices are maybe the biggest problem I had with Trump's Presidency.
Yeah, he had his flaws. His failure to veto bloated faux budgets, his hiring enemies, his lack of firing enemies, his failure to act on voter fraud, etc.
People need to step back and view the man as a man and a politician, not some golden god figure.
Yeah, he had his flaws. His failure to veto bloated faux budgets, his hiring enemies, his lack of firing enemies, his failure to act on voter fraud, etc.
People need to step back and view the man as a man and a politician, not some golden god figure.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2021 12:08 PM (KZzsI)
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You know we have secret ballots, right?
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 09, 2021 12:04 PM (Y5qcH)
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Way to miss the point. Like pheeeew right over your head.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 09, 2021 12:04 PM (Y5qcH)
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Way to miss the point. Like pheeeew right over your head.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 09, 2021 12:08 PM (OalnH)
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Exactly. The GOPe backing DeSantis as the kinder, gentler Trump will be the kiss of death for Heavy D. He needs to head that off now, rather than later. They will promise him a real infrastructure to support his goals, but that is a Siren song. Avoid it.
It could be amusing. "Today, GOP candidate DeSantis averred that Mitch McConnell and Kevin McCarthy hate him MUCH more than they hate his opponents. In fact, DeSantis said both of them make him physically ill."
It could be amusing. "Today, GOP candidate DeSantis averred that Mitch McConnell and Kevin McCarthy hate him MUCH more than they hate his opponents. In fact, DeSantis said both of them make him physically ill."
Posted by: pep at December 09, 2021 12:08 PM (ZsR3z)
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My dream team after PDJT if decides not to run: DeSantis/Pompeo. DeSantis for practicality and Pompeo to handle the international. Trump as Ambassador at Large. Cruz Majority Leader of the Senate and Gohmert as Speaker.
As I said, current dream teams.
As I said, current dream teams.
Posted by: mustbequantum at December 09, 2021 12:08 PM (MIKMs)
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*Munkey*
*Munkey*
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 09, 2021 12:08 PM (n+4am)
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It's always an excuse for why Trump doesn't do X. Poor guy, he reaaaaaly wants to help, but you know, he can't cuz, reasons.
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To be clear, I'm not excusing Trump, just saying that its unrealistic for Trump to be a Soros.
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To be clear, I'm not excusing Trump, just saying that its unrealistic for Trump to be a Soros.
Posted by: Revenant at December 09, 2021 12:08 PM (C35Jn)
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"You were stymied and blocked at every turn...by your enemies, yes...but also by your inner circle."
This.
If elected (I can only hope), he needs to fire EVERYONE; Admirals and Generals, top Bureaucrats...everyone. They clearly did not serve him well. Put the fear of God in all the rest.
This.
If elected (I can only hope), he needs to fire EVERYONE; Admirals and Generals, top Bureaucrats...everyone. They clearly did not serve him well. Put the fear of God in all the rest.
Posted by: Dansgirls at December 09, 2021 12:08 PM (BcJdL)
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So the jury is still out in the Jussie trial? How hard should it be to find that POS guilty.. Unless he has an OJ jury
Posted by: It's me donna at December 09, 2021 12:09 PM (Q1i0Y)
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He had people he had because ( shocking !) no one wanted to work for him.
Posted by: runner at December 09, 2021 12:09 PM (faqzI)
Posted by: JT at December 09, 2021 12:09 PM (arJlL)
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425 BTW - and this is not directed to ward anyone specific - if you weren't an early Trump adopter - let's be generous and say by February of 2016, then your opinion on what Trump should or shouldn't do means fuck all.
I don't care what you "learned" since then. You are at best a bandwagoner and at worst a shirt changer who can feel the wind when it's at hurricane strength.
Posted by: ... at December 09, 2021 12:03 PM (kxVBq)
I know what you're saying (and certainly don't take offense to it), but I voted for Cruz in the 2016 California primary, which took place after Feb. I really didn't believe in Trump until just before the convention.
I don't care what you "learned" since then. You are at best a bandwagoner and at worst a shirt changer who can feel the wind when it's at hurricane strength.
Posted by: ... at December 09, 2021 12:03 PM (kxVBq)
I know what you're saying (and certainly don't take offense to it), but I voted for Cruz in the 2016 California primary, which took place after Feb. I really didn't believe in Trump until just before the convention.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at December 09, 2021 12:09 PM (C61w6)
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I have been thinking the same thing for some time, but could not figure out how to phrase it.
I agree completely.
Trump for Eminence Orange!
I agree completely.
Trump for Eminence Orange!
Posted by: Sam at December 09, 2021 12:09 PM (ohyxL)
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"Leaving it up to......(insert Trump, DeSantis, Pompeo, etc.) to fix the problem", is why we are in the mess we are in.
WE ALL HAVE TO DO SOMETHING!
Buying guns and ammo is not political action. The Left out hustles the Right, has more energy, and the Will to Power.
They control the Media, the Academy and politics. Their semantics infest Social Media. They are trying to control the language.
Donald Trump failed to get re-elected because the Democrat Left cheated like they never cheated before.
He had failures in appointing people because people like Chris Christy (GOPe) undermined him by discarding people that Donald Trump would have preferred in the staffing process.
Trump failed because the GOPe undermined him, and any political revolutionary from the Right will get the same treatment, whether it's Cruz, DeSantis, anybody.
A million people tried to rally to Trump on Jan 6, 2021, and look what happened? We are in a war, and we better start to realize just how serious this is, and the stakes involved. It's your and my lives at stake here. Sitting on the sidelines and just expounding on how you voted DOES NOTHING.
WE ALL HAVE TO DO SOMETHING!
Buying guns and ammo is not political action. The Left out hustles the Right, has more energy, and the Will to Power.
They control the Media, the Academy and politics. Their semantics infest Social Media. They are trying to control the language.
Donald Trump failed to get re-elected because the Democrat Left cheated like they never cheated before.
He had failures in appointing people because people like Chris Christy (GOPe) undermined him by discarding people that Donald Trump would have preferred in the staffing process.
Trump failed because the GOPe undermined him, and any political revolutionary from the Right will get the same treatment, whether it's Cruz, DeSantis, anybody.
A million people tried to rally to Trump on Jan 6, 2021, and look what happened? We are in a war, and we better start to realize just how serious this is, and the stakes involved. It's your and my lives at stake here. Sitting on the sidelines and just expounding on how you voted DOES NOTHING.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative.....lost in a lost world at December 09, 2021 12:09 PM (vcOmj)
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Trump has shown he is willing to fight, but he mostly lost in the end.
Obviously we've had a shortage of political leaders on the right that fight, but one real problem with our culture over all is that we ignore success/failure.
So have Trump part of the DeSantis cabinet as say commerce secretary? Sure. But as the standard banner? I don't think that would be the best choice.
Obviously we've had a shortage of political leaders on the right that fight, but one real problem with our culture over all is that we ignore success/failure.
So have Trump part of the DeSantis cabinet as say commerce secretary? Sure. But as the standard banner? I don't think that would be the best choice.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 09, 2021 12:09 PM (ESjRY)
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I'm not saying Trump needs to liquidate everything. But how about $1M here and $1M there for grassroots organizations. He's done nothing like that.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 09, 2021 12:06 PM (OalnH)
LOL and this is the gratitude you get for sacrificing your comfort and family to serve this country. Maybe we really do deserve Fake Biden and the Ho.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 09, 2021 12:06 PM (OalnH)
LOL and this is the gratitude you get for sacrificing your comfort and family to serve this country. Maybe we really do deserve Fake Biden and the Ho.
Posted by: ... at December 09, 2021 12:09 PM (kxVBq)
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457 Scientists say a skeleton found with a nail through its foot in England is rare evidence of a Roman crucifixion.
Yet another group will be looking for reparations
Posted by: SMOD at December 09, 2021 12:08 PM (RHGPo)
They found a heel with a nail through it in Israel a few decades ago. This recent find is just being hyped for clicks.
Yet another group will be looking for reparations
Posted by: SMOD at December 09, 2021 12:08 PM (RHGPo)
They found a heel with a nail through it in Israel a few decades ago. This recent find is just being hyped for clicks.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 09, 2021 12:09 PM (Y5qcH)
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"Which sounds better: four more years of fighting, or a position as the white knight who did what was best for America and led us back to American Exceptionalism being more than a throwaway phrase?"
Door number 3: Trump as Speaker of the House for 6 years.
Door number 3: Trump as Speaker of the House for 6 years.
Posted by: Stealth LOL at December 09, 2021 12:10 PM (7PF2/)
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There may be more but I guarantee they all have the last name Trump.
I think there's more out there, but they are extremely rare, I agree. DeSantis seems to be one.
But remember, Trump wasn't a conservative until he actually got into office. He was a cozy friend of Oprah and talked about how he loved socialized medicine. He was a buddy of Hillary until the presidential election. The berserk psycho left and guys like Bannon pushed him to the right.
I think there's more out there, but they are extremely rare, I agree. DeSantis seems to be one.
But remember, Trump wasn't a conservative until he actually got into office. He was a cozy friend of Oprah and talked about how he loved socialized medicine. He was a buddy of Hillary until the presidential election. The berserk psycho left and guys like Bannon pushed him to the right.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2021 12:10 PM (KZzsI)
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Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 09, 2021 11:45 AM (OalnH)
I don't believe its a myth.. and I won't unless it's also proven there wasn't widespread corruption in the election.
I also understand that cannot be done here (to be fair), I'm just being honest about where I stand here.
Are you counting the mail in votes or real votes?
and % of dems ignores dems that changed independent between elections.
Here's what I know. % of minority votes who are always assumed to be huge Dem victories were not. That is a big deal.
There is a reason there haven't been huge analysis of the election.. because they are afraid it would show how corrupt it was.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 09, 2021 11:45 AM (OalnH)
I don't believe its a myth.. and I won't unless it's also proven there wasn't widespread corruption in the election.
I also understand that cannot be done here (to be fair), I'm just being honest about where I stand here.
Are you counting the mail in votes or real votes?
and % of dems ignores dems that changed independent between elections.
Here's what I know. % of minority votes who are always assumed to be huge Dem victories were not. That is a big deal.
There is a reason there haven't been huge analysis of the election.. because they are afraid it would show how corrupt it was.
Posted by: Inogame X-State Lines at December 09, 2021 12:10 PM (53oGX)
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466 He had people he had because ( shocking !) no one wanted to work for him.
Posted by: runner at December 09, 2021 12:09 PM (faqzI)
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But this will magically change in 2024. He will get nothing but A list people to work for him the 2nd time around.
Posted by: runner at December 09, 2021 12:09 PM (faqzI)
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But this will magically change in 2024. He will get nothing but A list people to work for him the 2nd time around.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 09, 2021 12:10 PM (OalnH)
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And if it doesn't work and we get nothing,
Putting the DOD in the position of having to ignore valid orders isn't nothing when things go mushy pear shaped.
Putting the DOD in the position of having to ignore valid orders isn't nothing when things go mushy pear shaped.
Posted by: DaveA at December 09, 2021 12:10 PM (FhXTo)
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No. My problem is that Trump has been vilified to the point where publicly supporting him could mean my livelihood is threatened. And yes, that is not his fault. But it is fucking reality. And some of you here want to close your eyes and just wish all this shit away.
I'm pretty fucking sure if I tell my co-workers I like DeSantis in 2024, they may think I'm nuts. But I won't fear getting fired over it. If I tell them I want Trump to run again and win, I may well get fired. Sorry if that bothers you.
Posted by: Joe XiDen
I'm not telling my cow-orkers shit. None of their fucking business. Nothing outside of the office is any of their business. I don't talk with or associate with them. Damn sure ain't friends with any of them.
I'm pretty fucking sure if I tell my co-workers I like DeSantis in 2024, they may think I'm nuts. But I won't fear getting fired over it. If I tell them I want Trump to run again and win, I may well get fired. Sorry if that bothers you.
Posted by: Joe XiDen
I'm not telling my cow-orkers shit. None of their fucking business. Nothing outside of the office is any of their business. I don't talk with or associate with them. Damn sure ain't friends with any of them.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2021 12:11 PM (cQZxO)
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446 I'm not saying Trump needs to liquidate everything. But how about $1M here and $1M there for grassroots organizations. He's done nothing like that.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 09, 2021 12:06 PM (OalnH)
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In 2016, Trump went up against the Clinton juggernaut, the mainstream media, the dirty RNC, foreign interests ... and won with, comparably, little money. I no longer worry about money now. Soros is welcome to waste his millions -- he only got traction with it because voters were out to lunch in local elections. Not anymore.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 09, 2021 12:06 PM (OalnH)
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In 2016, Trump went up against the Clinton juggernaut, the mainstream media, the dirty RNC, foreign interests ... and won with, comparably, little money. I no longer worry about money now. Soros is welcome to waste his millions -- he only got traction with it because voters were out to lunch in local elections. Not anymore.
Posted by: Coki at December 09, 2021 12:11 PM (n8njf)
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No. My problem is that Trump has been vilified to the point where publicly supporting him could mean my livelihood is threatened. And yes, that is not his fault. But it is fucking reality. And some of you here want to close your eyes and just wish all this shit away.
I'm pretty fucking sure if I tell my co-workers I like DeSantis in 2024, they may think I'm nuts. But I won't fear getting fired over it. If I tell them I want Trump to run again and win, I may well get fired. Sorry if that bothers you.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 09, 2021 12:01 PM (OalnH
Why do you have to tell them anything? Do they hover over you while you mark your ballot? If you fear a firing because of your politics, then you're a chump for discussing it at work.
No. My problem is that Trump has been vilified to the point where publicly supporting him could mean my livelihood is threatened. And yes, that is not his fault. But it is fucking reality. And some of you here want to close your eyes and just wish all this shit away.
I'm pretty fucking sure if I tell my co-workers I like DeSantis in 2024, they may think I'm nuts. But I won't fear getting fired over it. If I tell them I want Trump to run again and win, I may well get fired. Sorry if that bothers you.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 09, 2021 12:01 PM (OalnH
Why do you have to tell them anything? Do they hover over you while you mark your ballot? If you fear a firing because of your politics, then you're a chump for discussing it at work.
Posted by: I'm The Other White Meat at December 09, 2021 12:11 PM (Fs5vw)
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Anyone who still trusts Trump's judgement hasn't read the Patrick Byrne book about the election steal. Seriously. He was told flat out that people he'd trusted were destroying him and then decided to keep trusting those people.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2021 12:11 PM (ZGrMX)
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Terrible advice. Trump won, he needs to run again.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 09, 2021 12:11 PM (kfJVa)
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The Smollett defense is a classic plea for nullification, which is why it seems so bizarre to most people weighing the evidence. The trial becomes a struggle over perceptions rather than proof. Even Smollett's lawyers claimed to be victims in the courtroom. Defense attorney Tamara Walker demanded a mistrial in a sidebar conversation with attorneys from both sides and Cook County Judge James Linn. Walker reportedly broke into tears after accusing the judge of lunging at her in the courtroom and making faces from the bench.
Posted by: SMOD at December 09, 2021 12:11 PM (RHGPo)
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BA.2 is genetically quite different from the original Omicron lineage, now called BA.1, which has been spreading across the world, said Francois Balloux, the director of the University College London Genetics Institute, per The Guardian.
Posted by: SMOD at December 09, 2021 12:04 PM (RHGPo)
It's Invisible to Science! Everyone has to Quarantine and do Everything Else we say until the Invisible Threat Disappears!!!
(don't worry we'll tell you when)
Posted by: SMOD at December 09, 2021 12:04 PM (RHGPo)
It's Invisible to Science! Everyone has to Quarantine and do Everything Else we say until the Invisible Threat Disappears!!!
(don't worry we'll tell you when)
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 09, 2021 12:11 PM (trdmm)
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WE ALL HAVE TO DO SOMETHING!
Posted by: Bozo Conservative.....lost in a lost world at December 09, 2021 12:09 PM (vcOmj)
You're really not such a Bozo after all.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative.....lost in a lost world at December 09, 2021 12:09 PM (vcOmj)
You're really not such a Bozo after all.
Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know at December 09, 2021 12:11 PM (nLrWw)
487
LOL ad for the next big thing in the " plant based boom" cashew milk
Rachel Maddow hardest hit
Rachel Maddow hardest hit
Posted by: steevy at December 09, 2021 12:11 PM (CYnTg)
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Incidentally, I saw on OANN that Gretchen Whitmer has come out *against* vax mandates
I'm still banning any of you girls from wearing ruby slippers though.
I'm still banning any of you girls from wearing ruby slippers though.
Posted by: The Wicked Witch of Whitmer at December 09, 2021 12:11 PM (ESjRY)
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Ok, taking inventory -- People we know who will work/fight their tail off for the USA:
Trump
DeSantis
....
Anyone else?
And I'm not impressed with people who just stop at saying what I want to hear.
Trump
DeSantis
....
Anyone else?
And I'm not impressed with people who just stop at saying what I want to hear.
Posted by: Emmie at December 09, 2021 12:12 PM (6RgRK)
490
Trump not running would be an admission that stolen elections have no consequences.
If you want a permanent dictatorship with a fig leaf of pretend elections, this is how to go about it.
If you want a permanent dictatorship with a fig leaf of pretend elections, this is how to go about it.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 09, 2021 12:12 PM (5kI0z)
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Posted by: Inogame X-State Lines at December 09, 2021 12:10 PM (53oGX)
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I linked to the exit polls from 2008, 2012, 2016 and 2020. And Trump did slightly worse with Dems than McCain and Romney did.
Now you can say exit polls are fake or whatever. Fine. But you can't say exit polls are fake and then also claim Trump won crossover Democrats.
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I linked to the exit polls from 2008, 2012, 2016 and 2020. And Trump did slightly worse with Dems than McCain and Romney did.
Now you can say exit polls are fake or whatever. Fine. But you can't say exit polls are fake and then also claim Trump won crossover Democrats.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 09, 2021 12:12 PM (OalnH)
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If elected (I can only hope), he needs to fire EVERYONE; Admirals and Generals, top Bureaucrats...everyone. They clearly did not serve him well. Put the fear of God in all the rest.
Posted by: Dansgirls at December 09, 2021 12:08 PM (BcJdL)
We also need to push through an ass load of little budgetary bills.
1. Fbi funding decreased by 10% per year, over year, until staffing is at 10% of what is was the day the bills became law.
2. Do this with every federal agency and department.
If elected (I can only hope), he needs to fire EVERYONE; Admirals and Generals, top Bureaucrats...everyone. They clearly did not serve him well. Put the fear of God in all the rest.
Posted by: Dansgirls at December 09, 2021 12:08 PM (BcJdL)
We also need to push through an ass load of little budgetary bills.
1. Fbi funding decreased by 10% per year, over year, until staffing is at 10% of what is was the day the bills became law.
2. Do this with every federal agency and department.
Posted by: BifBewalski @ (IJES/) - at December 09, 2021 12:12 PM (IJES/)
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Welp, I guess we found the topic that divides the Horde more deeply than .45 vs 9mm.
Posted by: Oddbob at December 09, 2021 12:12 PM (nfrXX)
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I disagree! Donny Two Scoops learns from his mistakes. I want him to come into like Atilla the Hun. Slash and burn the GOP-e. Do not give them the opportunity to stab him in the back, again. As for the Progressives', head on pikes.
But that's just me.
But that's just me.
Posted by: Paladin at December 09, 2021 12:12 PM (CE4w9)
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Trump
DeSantis
....
Anyone else?
And I'm not impressed with people who just stop at saying what I want to hear.
Posted by: Emmie at December 09, 2021 12:12 PM (6RgRK)
Pompeo
DeSantis
....
Anyone else?
And I'm not impressed with people who just stop at saying what I want to hear.
Posted by: Emmie at December 09, 2021 12:12 PM (6RgRK)
Pompeo
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 09, 2021 12:12 PM (oHd/0)
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401 Favorite Media Hack Matt Dowd Quits Texas Lt. Governor's Race for Sake of 'Diversity'
Posted by: SMOD
Diversity and nobody knew who the f'k he was.
Posted by: SMOD
Diversity and nobody knew who the f'k he was.
Posted by: Puddleglum at work at December 09, 2021 12:12 PM (8Sqzu)
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I know what you're saying (and certainly don't take offense to it), but I voted for Cruz in the 2016 California primary, which took place after Feb. I really didn't believe in Trump until just before the convention.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at December 09, 2021 12:09 PM (C61w6)
I have no problem with that and understand why people were hesitant, even up to election day. But if someone is thinking they know what's good for the movement RE Trump after missing that trick, maybe they need to think again.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at December 09, 2021 12:09 PM (C61w6)
I have no problem with that and understand why people were hesitant, even up to election day. But if someone is thinking they know what's good for the movement RE Trump after missing that trick, maybe they need to think again.
Posted by: ... at December 09, 2021 12:12 PM (kxVBq)
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BTW - and this is not directed to ward anyone specific - if you weren't an early Trump adopter - let's be generous and say by February of 2016, then your opinion on what Trump should or shouldn't do means fuck all.
I don't care what you "learned" since then. You are at best a bandwagoner and at worst a shirt changer who can feel the wind when it's at hurricane strength.
Posted by: ... at December 09, 2021 12:03 PM (kxVBq)
this would include Ace, if you remember.
I don't care what you "learned" since then. You are at best a bandwagoner and at worst a shirt changer who can feel the wind when it's at hurricane strength.
Posted by: ... at December 09, 2021 12:03 PM (kxVBq)
this would include Ace, if you remember.
Posted by: chango butt at December 09, 2021 12:13 PM (oSX/P)
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456 This post has been one of the most interesting, stay on topic, give and take discussion of late. Many well thought out comments.
Posted by: old chick at December 09, 2021 12:08 PM (sOete)
Agree. This is a conversation that the Right (non-GOPe) needs to have. This next election is for all the marbles, and we have to get it right.
Posted by: old chick at December 09, 2021 12:08 PM (sOete)
Agree. This is a conversation that the Right (non-GOPe) needs to have. This next election is for all the marbles, and we have to get it right.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at December 09, 2021 12:13 PM (C61w6)
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2021 12:13 PM (ZGrMX)
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Why do you have to tell them anything? Do they hover over you while you mark your ballot? If you fear a firing because of your politics, then you're a chump for discussing it at work.
Posted by: I'm The Other White Meat at December 09, 2021 12:11 PM (Fs5vw)
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You're missing the point. And I won't both explaining it to you since you're never going to get it.
Posted by: I'm The Other White Meat at December 09, 2021 12:11 PM (Fs5vw)
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You're missing the point. And I won't both explaining it to you since you're never going to get it.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 09, 2021 12:13 PM (OalnH)
502
So the jury is still out in the Jussie trial? How hard should it be to find that POS guilty.. Unless he has an OJ jury
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I have no idea, but I'm guessing the jury is comprised of those that "look like him" or else his defense would've not given the OK. They only need one wayward juror. I don't mean to offend, but it's become sadly clear that many blacks on juries do not assess any aspects from a legal or illegal standpoint if it involves someone of their own race. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's the impression I get.
--
I have no idea, but I'm guessing the jury is comprised of those that "look like him" or else his defense would've not given the OK. They only need one wayward juror. I don't mean to offend, but it's become sadly clear that many blacks on juries do not assess any aspects from a legal or illegal standpoint if it involves someone of their own race. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's the impression I get.
Posted by: Lady in Black at December 09, 2021 12:13 PM (sVtYq)
503
He had people he had because ( shocking !) no one wanted to work for him.
Posted by: runner at December 09, 2021 12:09 PM (faqzI)
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But this will magically change in 2024. He will get nothing but A list people to work for him the 2nd time around.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 09, 2021 12:10 PM
Correct, he will get no one to be in his cabinet because of what is being done to his inner circle from 2016 right now.
Posted by: runner at December 09, 2021 12:09 PM (faqzI)
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But this will magically change in 2024. He will get nothing but A list people to work for him the 2nd time around.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 09, 2021 12:10 PM
Correct, he will get no one to be in his cabinet because of what is being done to his inner circle from 2016 right now.
Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at December 09, 2021 12:13 PM (bVYXr)
504
The only sensible case against Trump that I can come up with is that his absence might actually financially destroy CNN and force Tater to subsist on dog food.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at December 09, 2021 12:13 PM (QU5/8)
505
Walker reportedly broke into tears after accusing the judge of lunging at her in the courtroom and making faces from the bench.
Posted by: SMOD at December 09, 2021 12:11 PM (RHGPo)
The cherry on the top of the "lunging" claim was that no one else in the courtroom saw it, and the Judge stated that it never happened, that it was a pure fantasy on Walker's part (or worse).
kind of like Smollett's attorneys are busy staging their own hoax crimes in the middle of a trial about hoax crimes.
Posted by: SMOD at December 09, 2021 12:11 PM (RHGPo)
The cherry on the top of the "lunging" claim was that no one else in the courtroom saw it, and the Judge stated that it never happened, that it was a pure fantasy on Walker's part (or worse).
kind of like Smollett's attorneys are busy staging their own hoax crimes in the middle of a trial about hoax crimes.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 09, 2021 12:13 PM (trdmm)
506
This idea that electing the Right Man will fix everything is crazy ignorant, even assuming its possible to elect a Republican president ever again in our lifetimes. That one man in that one office cannot turn things around, we're way too far gone. We're not voting our way out of this.
Even if we got ALL the perfect people in government, the culture is so corrupt and destroyed it wouldn't matter. This nation cannot be fixed from the top down. We need to be better people from the heart out, every one of us.
For decades this country has tried to have it both ways:
1) I get everything I want with no restrictions and no shame
2) Everything runs well and is safe, stable, and positive
That's just not possible. You cannot have a corrupt hedonistic nation that is also safe, sane, and constructive.
Even if we got ALL the perfect people in government, the culture is so corrupt and destroyed it wouldn't matter. This nation cannot be fixed from the top down. We need to be better people from the heart out, every one of us.
For decades this country has tried to have it both ways:
1) I get everything I want with no restrictions and no shame
2) Everything runs well and is safe, stable, and positive
That's just not possible. You cannot have a corrupt hedonistic nation that is also safe, sane, and constructive.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2021 12:13 PM (KZzsI)
507
I'm not saying Trump needs to liquidate everything. But how about $1M here and $1M there for grassroots organizations. He's done nothing like that.
Posted by: Joe XiDen
It's a fair point.
Early on, my biggest issue with "trusting" Trump was he never gave a cent to any political cause. I mean lots of money to Democrats like Pelosi that did zero business in NY, but he couldn't bankroll say an immigration think tank operation?
had Trump had a history of being like a mini-Soros of the Right, I would have signed on early.
I'm not saying Trump needs to liquidate everything. But how about $1M here and $1M there for grassroots organizations. He's done nothing like that.
Posted by: Joe XiDen
It's a fair point.
Early on, my biggest issue with "trusting" Trump was he never gave a cent to any political cause. I mean lots of money to Democrats like Pelosi that did zero business in NY, but he couldn't bankroll say an immigration think tank operation?
had Trump had a history of being like a mini-Soros of the Right, I would have signed on early.
Posted by: Blago at December 09, 2021 12:14 PM (PwNLq)
508
So your problem is that Trump makes your life uncomfortable.
Posted by: But but but we need someone with more Couth at December 09, 2021 11:58 AM (VtB7b)
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No. My problem is that Trump has been vilified to the point where publicly supporting him could mean my livelihood is threatened. And yes, that is not his fault. But it is fucking reality. And some of you here want to close your eyes and just wish all this shit away.
I'm pretty fucking sure if I tell my co-workers I like DeSantis in 2024, they may think I'm nuts. But I won't fear getting fired over it. If I tell them I want Trump to run again and win, I may well get fired. Sorry if that bothers you.
==
Doesn't bother me at all. My suspicion is correct. Your feeling isn't really about politics as much as is about those issues. As such, there is no way to convince you. You weren't reasoned into that position, but coerced. You can't be reasoned out of it. Sorry.
Posted by: But but but we need someone with more Couth at December 09, 2021 11:58 AM (VtB7b)
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No. My problem is that Trump has been vilified to the point where publicly supporting him could mean my livelihood is threatened. And yes, that is not his fault. But it is fucking reality. And some of you here want to close your eyes and just wish all this shit away.
I'm pretty fucking sure if I tell my co-workers I like DeSantis in 2024, they may think I'm nuts. But I won't fear getting fired over it. If I tell them I want Trump to run again and win, I may well get fired. Sorry if that bothers you.
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Doesn't bother me at all. My suspicion is correct. Your feeling isn't really about politics as much as is about those issues. As such, there is no way to convince you. You weren't reasoned into that position, but coerced. You can't be reasoned out of it. Sorry.
Posted by: But but but we need someone with more Couth at December 09, 2021 12:14 PM (wAf2K)
509
If Trump is the nominee I definitely will vote for him.. I would prefer someone younger though... Not sure DeSantis is ready or even wants to run yet
Posted by: It's me donna at December 09, 2021 12:14 PM (Q1i0Y)
510
Fauci says families should 'ask,' 'maybe require' a full proctology exam for holiday guests before indoor celebrations
Posted by: SMOD at December 09, 2021 12:14 PM (RHGPo)
511
477 466 He had people he had because ( shocking !) no one wanted to work for him.
Posted by: runner at December 09, 2021 12:09 PM (faqzI)
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But this will magically change in 2024. He will get nothing but A list people to work for him the 2nd time around.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 09, 2021 12:10 PM (OalnH)
But it won't change for any non GOPE candidate...DeSantis will also struggle to fill spots with non-traitors b/c the non-traitors will have their lives and future careers permanently ruined for when they are out of office - if they can avoid nuisance lawsuits and federal charges before that...
We need to figure out how we can attract the 40 year old true conservative to run a bureaucratic job for 4 years and then have possible work for 20 more after, so his family can eat.
Posted by: runner at December 09, 2021 12:09 PM (faqzI)
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But this will magically change in 2024. He will get nothing but A list people to work for him the 2nd time around.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 09, 2021 12:10 PM (OalnH)
But it won't change for any non GOPE candidate...DeSantis will also struggle to fill spots with non-traitors b/c the non-traitors will have their lives and future careers permanently ruined for when they are out of office - if they can avoid nuisance lawsuits and federal charges before that...
We need to figure out how we can attract the 40 year old true conservative to run a bureaucratic job for 4 years and then have possible work for 20 more after, so his family can eat.
Posted by: Nova local at December 09, 2021 12:14 PM (exHjb)
512
Posted by: SMOD at December 09, 2021 12:11 PM (RHGPo)
I said I believed the fix was in based on Jussie taking the stand. Hope I'm wrong.
I said I believed the fix was in based on Jussie taking the stand. Hope I'm wrong.
Posted by: Just a side note at December 09, 2021 12:14 PM (VJ4aP)
513
They did to Romney and McCain exactly what they did with Trump. What made them froth at the mouth was that Trump didn't roll over and apologize for having to lead such icky people like those two backstabbing pieces of shit did.
Posted by: Buzzion at December 09, 2021 11:48 AM (G2zl5)
I'm also reminded that McCain's VP was set up with backstabbers who sent that team downhill. She was an elected official too...
Posted by: Buzzion at December 09, 2021 11:48 AM (G2zl5)
I'm also reminded that McCain's VP was set up with backstabbers who sent that team downhill. She was an elected official too...
Posted by: Inogame X-State Lines at December 09, 2021 12:14 PM (53oGX)
514
I'm pretty fucking sure if I tell my co-workers I like DeSantis in 2024, they may think I'm nuts. But I won't fear getting fired over it. If I tell them I want Trump to run again and win, I may well get fired. Sorry if that bothers you.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 09, 2021 12:01 PM (OalnH
If DeSantis is had as effective as Trump he will be poison too. What they did to Trump wasn't magic. It was coordinated and will happen any time they need it.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 09, 2021 12:01 PM (OalnH
If DeSantis is had as effective as Trump he will be poison too. What they did to Trump wasn't magic. It was coordinated and will happen any time they need it.
Posted by: ... at December 09, 2021 12:15 PM (kxVBq)
515
I have no idea, but I'm guessing the jury is comprised of those that "look like him" or else his defense would've not given the OK. They only need one wayward juror. I don't mean to offend, but it's become sadly clear that many blacks on juries do not assess any aspects from a legal or illegal standpoint if it involves someone of their own race. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's the impression I get.
Posted by: Lady in Black at December 09, 2021 12:13 PM (sVtYq)
The Jury system does not work in a Tribalist society. Neither does democracy, for that matter.
Posted by: Lady in Black at December 09, 2021 12:13 PM (sVtYq)
The Jury system does not work in a Tribalist society. Neither does democracy, for that matter.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 09, 2021 12:15 PM (trdmm)
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 09, 2021 12:15 PM (Y5qcH)
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I'm inclined to go along with you, CBD. Trump's personnel decisions were disastrous. His grasp of COVID was tenuous. Without the former, we would have made it through the latter without destroying the country.
If he does run I will not vote for him without hearing his acknowledgment that he blew it on COVID. He's still not telling the truth about it.
If he does run I will not vote for him without hearing his acknowledgment that he blew it on COVID. He's still not telling the truth about it.
Posted by: creeper at December 09, 2021 12:15 PM (cTCuP)
518
Half as effective
Posted by: ... at December 09, 2021 12:15 PM (kxVBq)
519
OT, the guy that Portland police shot and killed for an attempted carjacking has been identified as Brandon Keck.
Brandon. Keck.
Seriously? This timeline isn't even remotely serious any longer.
Brandon. Keck.
Seriously? This timeline isn't even remotely serious any longer.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at December 09, 2021 12:15 PM (wAnMi)
520
Pompeo
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 09, 2021 12:12 PM (oHd/0)
Hmmm. I thought I remembered a very recent betrayal, but I don't recall what it was and I didn't investigate to see if it was true.
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 09, 2021 12:12 PM (oHd/0)
Hmmm. I thought I remembered a very recent betrayal, but I don't recall what it was and I didn't investigate to see if it was true.
Posted by: Emmie at December 09, 2021 12:15 PM (6RgRK)
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Agree. This is a conversation that the Right (non-GOPe) needs to have. This next election is for all the marbles, and we have to get it right.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at December 09, 2021 12:13 PM (C61w6)
I think 2016 was the "all the marbles" election, and Trump showed the American people and particularly the Right that the game is rigged, and the only way to win is to play a completely different game altogether.
A new Trump term or Candidate X term is immaterial. There is no "getting it right."
Agree. This is a conversation that the Right (non-GOPe) needs to have. This next election is for all the marbles, and we have to get it right.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at December 09, 2021 12:13 PM (C61w6)
I think 2016 was the "all the marbles" election, and Trump showed the American people and particularly the Right that the game is rigged, and the only way to win is to play a completely different game altogether.
A new Trump term or Candidate X term is immaterial. There is no "getting it right."
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 09, 2021 12:16 PM (2ABQr)
522
Trump laid bare the full extent of the flaws within our country and ruling class as they currently exist.
The question now is, who do you think is best positioned to fix said flaws?
The bigger question is, who do you think actually views these as flaws that need fixing?
The question now is, who do you think is best positioned to fix said flaws?
The bigger question is, who do you think actually views these as flaws that need fixing?
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at December 09, 2021 12:16 PM (KbCG3)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2021 12:16 PM (KZzsI)
524
Well we did good right up to comment number forty then shit the bed after. There is nothing to say except we are screwed.
Posted by: JROD at December 09, 2021 12:16 PM (0jZnq)
525
And, as far as I know, he left J6 people behind. What that means is he probably 1) made a deal to save hisself and his family, Or 2) scarred to do anything to impact 2024 chances 3) did not give a damn. But how is that gonna work in 2024.
Posted by: runner at December 09, 2021 12:16 PM (faqzI)
526
Trump or De Santis cannot run because they will be villified?
Destroy the villifiers in advance.
Destroy the villifiers in advance.
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid. at December 09, 2021 12:16 PM (n/szn)
527
He just endorsed David Perdue in GA.
Posted by: Capital Eff at December 09, 2021 12:16 PM (GYllL)
528
Uh Trump was convinced he was going to lose two days before the election and said he knew he really never had a chance to win against hillary.
Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at December 09, 2021 12:00 PM (bVYXr)
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Sure, Trump bluffs. But what you describe is a man who is a realist. Someone who has been around the block and sizes up risk.
I voted Trump because I hated Hillary since she first arrived on the scene with her dirtbag husband. I didn't trust Trump was a conservative - and he turned out to be better than all the others I ever voted for.
Uh Trump was convinced he was going to lose two days before the election and said he knew he really never had a chance to win against hillary.
Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at December 09, 2021 12:00 PM (bVYXr)
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Sure, Trump bluffs. But what you describe is a man who is a realist. Someone who has been around the block and sizes up risk.
I voted Trump because I hated Hillary since she first arrived on the scene with her dirtbag husband. I didn't trust Trump was a conservative - and he turned out to be better than all the others I ever voted for.
Posted by: Coki at December 09, 2021 12:17 PM (n8njf)
529
Seriously? This timeline isn't even remotely serious any longer.
Kek
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2021 12:16 PM (KZzsI)
Frog lives matter.
Kek
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2021 12:16 PM (KZzsI)
Frog lives matter.
Posted by: hogmartin at December 09, 2021 12:17 PM (P4LRL)
530
TheAmericanSpectator: "I believe the plan is for Biden to nominate his wife Jill Biden to replace Kamala as vice president, and then succeed him as president, becoming the first female president in our history. In fact, I think the plan all along was for Jill to run for president in Joe's place in 2024. However, last month's election calamity has forced the Dem leadership to move up the timetable. The plan to oust Kamala has been in place for many months. With one or both houses of Congress likely to flip red, Dems must act post-haste."
Posted by: SMOD at December 09, 2021 12:17 PM (RHGPo)
531
I'm pretty fucking sure if I tell my co-workers I like DeSantis in 2024, they may think I'm nuts. But I won't fear getting fired over it. If I tell them I want Trump to run again and win, I may well get fired. Sorry if that bothers you.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 09, 2021 12:01 PM (OalnH)
Until DeSantis wins instead of losing like he's supposed to.
It's hell being in the position that you're in, but don't mistake who is putting you in that position.
It will be okay to support DeSantis until he wins. When he wins you're going to have to be silent, invisible, in order to show that you're supportive of your traumatized female, POC, and gay co-workers.
It could be Abbot. Whats-her-face from South Dakota. Rand or Cruz or...Jeb. The trauma will be real and you will need to respect it, tiptoe around it, keep your mouth shut.
And I'm sorry that is how it will work.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 09, 2021 12:01 PM (OalnH)
Until DeSantis wins instead of losing like he's supposed to.
It's hell being in the position that you're in, but don't mistake who is putting you in that position.
It will be okay to support DeSantis until he wins. When he wins you're going to have to be silent, invisible, in order to show that you're supportive of your traumatized female, POC, and gay co-workers.
It could be Abbot. Whats-her-face from South Dakota. Rand or Cruz or...Jeb. The trauma will be real and you will need to respect it, tiptoe around it, keep your mouth shut.
And I'm sorry that is how it will work.
Posted by: Synova at December 09, 2021 12:17 PM (BD/yx)
532
I think 2016 was the "all the marbles" election, and Trump showed the American people and particularly the Right that the game is rigged, and the only way to win is to play a completely different game altogether.
2012 showed us that the nation is not serious about the job, its history, the constitution, or truth any longer. 2016 showed us what happens when someone actually does try to fix things from the top.
We
Are
Not
Voting
Our
Way
Out
Of
This
2012 showed us that the nation is not serious about the job, its history, the constitution, or truth any longer. 2016 showed us what happens when someone actually does try to fix things from the top.
We
Are
Not
Voting
Our
Way
Out
Of
This
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2021 12:17 PM (KZzsI)
533
If you really want to punish Democrats, put Trump back in office. Every single liberal woman I know talks about Trump like they were married to him for 20 years and then he ran off with their best friend. Believe me, if you want to make them suffer for their disastrous social and economic policies, swearing Trump back into office is the best way to do it.
Posted by: Mr. W at December 09, 2021 12:17 PM (Gd6Pr)
534
527 He just endorsed David Perdue in GA.
Posted by: Capital Eff at December 09, 2021 12:16 PM (GYllL)
I guess of the choices he is the "best" Jane would be better on this
Posted by: Capital Eff at December 09, 2021 12:16 PM (GYllL)
I guess of the choices he is the "best" Jane would be better on this
Posted by: It's me donna at December 09, 2021 12:17 PM (Q1i0Y)
535
Even though he had majorities in the House and Senate in his first two years:
Remember how Trump didn't get rid of Obamacare?
Remember how Trump didn't finish building the wall because he didn't get funding?
Remember how Trump didn't get his bill for infrastructure?
Remember how Trump never filled positions with recess appointments?
Somehow I'm not seeing Trump as the problem here. Maybe the finger pointing should be in another direction.
Was his problem being too mean or too nice?
Remember how Trump didn't get rid of Obamacare?
Remember how Trump didn't finish building the wall because he didn't get funding?
Remember how Trump didn't get his bill for infrastructure?
Remember how Trump never filled positions with recess appointments?
Somehow I'm not seeing Trump as the problem here. Maybe the finger pointing should be in another direction.
Was his problem being too mean or too nice?
Posted by: Minuteman at December 09, 2021 12:18 PM (LaNzR)
536
OT, the guy that Portland police shot and killed for an attempted carjacking has been identified as Brandon Keck.
Brandon. Keck.
Seriously? This timeline isn't even remotely serious any longer.
Ahh, the simulation is leaking state again.
Brandon. Keck.
Seriously? This timeline isn't even remotely serious any longer.
Ahh, the simulation is leaking state again.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2021 12:18 PM (ZGrMX)
537
I didn't want Trump last time, I wanted Cruz. BUT, I'm not an idiot, and I can recognize a guy that is doing what he said he would do.
That being said, I don't want Trump this time either, I want Pinochet. But until he arrives, I guess I'll take Trump.
That being said, I don't want Trump this time either, I want Pinochet. But until he arrives, I guess I'll take Trump.
Posted by: Hawkpilot at December 09, 2021 12:19 PM (Hn0tY)
538
Good and interesting comments here.
Posted by: gp Has A New Keyboard at December 09, 2021 12:19 PM (qpX6U)
539
Somehow I'm not seeing Trump as the problem here. Maybe the finger pointing should be in another direction.
Read the Patrick Byrne book. Trump has catastrophically bad judgement on who he trusts.
Read the Patrick Byrne book. Trump has catastrophically bad judgement on who he trusts.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2021 12:19 PM (ZGrMX)
540
I don't care what you "learned" since then. You are at best a bandwagoner and at worst a shirt changer who can feel the wind when it's at hurricane strength.
Right. Anyone who changes their mind based on new information is a fool or lacks principles. Good to know.
If DeSantis is had as effective as Trump he will be poison too. What they did to Trump wasn't magic. It was coordinated and will happen any time they need it.
If what you say is correct, then this argument is about nothing, since no Republican can ever win. Glenn Youngkin would like a word with you.
Right. Anyone who changes their mind based on new information is a fool or lacks principles. Good to know.
If DeSantis is had as effective as Trump he will be poison too. What they did to Trump wasn't magic. It was coordinated and will happen any time they need it.
If what you say is correct, then this argument is about nothing, since no Republican can ever win. Glenn Youngkin would like a word with you.
Posted by: pep at December 09, 2021 12:19 PM (ZsR3z)
541
The berserk psycho left and guys like Bannon pushed him to the right.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2021 12:10 PM (KZzsI)
This is not true. From the moment Trump opened his mouth in his announcement it was clear he was with the right. It might have just been a gap in the market but the pushback against him was caused by the obvious power of his convictions, not the other way around. From the day he ran he said what no other GOP asshole would say.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2021 12:10 PM (KZzsI)
This is not true. From the moment Trump opened his mouth in his announcement it was clear he was with the right. It might have just been a gap in the market but the pushback against him was caused by the obvious power of his convictions, not the other way around. From the day he ran he said what no other GOP asshole would say.
Posted by: ... at December 09, 2021 12:19 PM (kxVBq)
542
One amusing thing to consider - if the Biden Junta wanted to get normies to take the clot shot, easily the best thing they could have done from a political aspect would be to put Trump in charge of the clot shot rollout/distribution and send Fauci off to study AIDS in Nigerian bathhouses.
But they couldn't because the like to pretend Trump opposes the clot shots and also that he is some crazy nazi.
But they couldn't because the like to pretend Trump opposes the clot shots and also that he is some crazy nazi.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 09, 2021 12:19 PM (ESjRY)
543
He can be the most powerful conservative activist on Earth.
How about bankrolling propositions that get Voter integrity laws passed? Supporting candidates that promise this? Doing speeches about it?
Hell, if I were him, I would produce a documentary detailing all of it so people have answers.
But he's really done nothing about this. If I was a billionaire and I felt I had been robbed in this way, I would spend my fortune and influence "making a difference".
Posted by: Blago at December 09, 2021 11:55 AM (PwNLq)
Serious question.. do we know is isn't doing just that?
No snark intended.. but it's possible this is happening but without a name that could make the effort sour grapes.
How about bankrolling propositions that get Voter integrity laws passed? Supporting candidates that promise this? Doing speeches about it?
Hell, if I were him, I would produce a documentary detailing all of it so people have answers.
But he's really done nothing about this. If I was a billionaire and I felt I had been robbed in this way, I would spend my fortune and influence "making a difference".
Posted by: Blago at December 09, 2021 11:55 AM (PwNLq)
Serious question.. do we know is isn't doing just that?
No snark intended.. but it's possible this is happening but without a name that could make the effort sour grapes.
Posted by: Inogame X-State Lines at December 09, 2021 12:19 PM (53oGX)
Posted by: The Budweiser Frogs at December 09, 2021 12:20 PM (m+jkK)
545
Why is no one here throwing their hat into the ring? You keep begging for someone to save you (politically) yet you're routinely disappointed. Run, moron, run. With Trump, you know who you're getting.
Posted by: SFGoth at December 09, 2021 12:20 PM (KAi1n)
546
527 He just endorsed David Perdue in GA.
Posted by: Capital Eff at December 09, 2021 12:16 PM (GYllL)
Definitely not a Perdue fan, especially after he flounced that second debate with Warnock. That said, he'll do less damage to Trump as GA governor than Kemp et al. If all that Perdue does is clean up the voter rolls in GA and straightens out some of those more hinky counties, he will have done his job.
Posted by: Capital Eff at December 09, 2021 12:16 PM (GYllL)
Definitely not a Perdue fan, especially after he flounced that second debate with Warnock. That said, he'll do less damage to Trump as GA governor than Kemp et al. If all that Perdue does is clean up the voter rolls in GA and straightens out some of those more hinky counties, he will have done his job.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at December 09, 2021 12:20 PM (C61w6)
547
I am pretty convinced at this point that China took Trump down. He was there biggest problem globaly and if he succedded or had more time the West would have seen that there is another way of dealing with them that works.
He put them in their place and they used everything at their disposal to get rid of him. This shows you how much influenece those fuckers have.
They will do it again if he gets back in. China is problem number one as we are going to find out in the next three years. That is their window of opportunity.
China is afraid the next "Trump" is coming so Watch Out!
He put them in their place and they used everything at their disposal to get rid of him. This shows you how much influenece those fuckers have.
They will do it again if he gets back in. China is problem number one as we are going to find out in the next three years. That is their window of opportunity.
China is afraid the next "Trump" is coming so Watch Out!
Posted by: pawn at December 09, 2021 12:20 PM (kYVzH)
548
OT Slimeball lawyer Geoffrey Fieger has filed two $100M lawsuits against the administration of Oxford Michigan HS . Said they failed to prevent the mass shooting. Went on a long rant against the 2nd amendment and us deplorables. I cannot link right now but all the Detroit media has the story.
Posted by: Jen the original at December 09, 2021 12:20 PM (AAgU+)
549
Every single liberal woman I know talks about Trump like they were married to him for 20 years and then he ran off with their best friend.
I think the root of liberal women's psychosis about Trump is that he married Melania instead of them. That's it.
I think the root of liberal women's psychosis about Trump is that he married Melania instead of them. That's it.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2021 12:20 PM (ZGrMX)
550
Somehow I'm not seeing Trump as the problem here. Maybe the finger pointing should be in another direction.
Yeah if congress had worked enthusiastically with Trump amazing things could have been done BUT... it is abundantly obvious that the majority of people in the GOP, certainly at the top, are not interested in fixing anything, not interested in fighting corruption, and like things the way they are, even if it means self destruction.
Yeah if congress had worked enthusiastically with Trump amazing things could have been done BUT... it is abundantly obvious that the majority of people in the GOP, certainly at the top, are not interested in fixing anything, not interested in fighting corruption, and like things the way they are, even if it means self destruction.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2021 12:20 PM (KZzsI)
551
AsiaTimes: US President Joe Biden announced in August he would bring together leaders from a diverse group of the world's democracies at a virtual Summit for Democracy, to be held on December 9-10 and to be followed in roughly a year's time by a second, in-person Summit.
On Saturday, the Communist Party of China (CPC) launched its first salvo against the Summit by releasing a White Paper titled China: Democracy That Works.
"China was a country with a feudal history dating back several thousand years that descended into a semi-feudal and semi-colonial society after the Opium War of 1840. Over the past one hundred years, the Party has led the people in realizing people's democracy in China," said the White Paper.
"Democracy is a concrete phenomenon that is constantly evolving. Rooted in history, culture and tradition, it takes diverse forms and develops along the paths chosen by different peoples based on their exploration and innovation," it said.
On Saturday, the Communist Party of China (CPC) launched its first salvo against the Summit by releasing a White Paper titled China: Democracy That Works.
"China was a country with a feudal history dating back several thousand years that descended into a semi-feudal and semi-colonial society after the Opium War of 1840. Over the past one hundred years, the Party has led the people in realizing people's democracy in China," said the White Paper.
"Democracy is a concrete phenomenon that is constantly evolving. Rooted in history, culture and tradition, it takes diverse forms and develops along the paths chosen by different peoples based on their exploration and innovation," it said.
Posted by: SMOD at December 09, 2021 12:21 PM (RHGPo)
552
519 OT, the guy that Portland police shot and killed for an attempted carjacking has been identified as Brandon Keck.
Brandon. Keck.
Seriously? This timeline isn't even remotely serious any longer.
Posted by: clutch cargo
They Killed Brandon...
Too soon?
Brandon. Keck.
Seriously? This timeline isn't even remotely serious any longer.
Posted by: clutch cargo
They Killed Brandon...
Too soon?
Posted by: Puddleglum at work at December 09, 2021 12:21 PM (8Sqzu)
553
Right. Anyone who changes their mind based on new information is a fool or lacks principles. Good to know.
Posted by: pep at December 09, 2021 12:19 PM (ZsR3z)
Not what I said. I said their opinion on what Trump should or shouldn't do means fuck all.
Posted by: pep at December 09, 2021 12:19 PM (ZsR3z)
Not what I said. I said their opinion on what Trump should or shouldn't do means fuck all.
Posted by: ... at December 09, 2021 12:21 PM (kxVBq)
554
If what you say is correct, then this argument is about nothing, since no Republican can ever win. Glenn Youngkin would like a word with you.
Posted by: pep at December 09, 2021 12:19 PM (ZsR3z)
Youngkin was also too rich to take out. When you can spend your own money at will, you can stay above the fray b/c you owe no one...
If we need another candidate like that, he is one, but I don't trust him til I see how he spends 2 years governing here - then, maybe I'd put him in a conversation if we want a "can't be corrupted" guy...
If what you say is correct, then this argument is about nothing, since no Republican can ever win. Glenn Youngkin would like a word with you.
Posted by: pep at December 09, 2021 12:19 PM (ZsR3z)
Youngkin was also too rich to take out. When you can spend your own money at will, you can stay above the fray b/c you owe no one...
If we need another candidate like that, he is one, but I don't trust him til I see how he spends 2 years governing here - then, maybe I'd put him in a conversation if we want a "can't be corrupted" guy...
Posted by: Nova local at December 09, 2021 12:21 PM (exHjb)
555
CNBC Wrecks Stephanie Ruhle's Gaslighting that Americans Can Afford Rising Inflation
Posted by: SMOD at December 09, 2021 12:22 PM (RHGPo)
556
OT, the guy that Portland police shot and killed for an attempted carjacking has been identified as Brandon Keck.
THIS MEANS WAR!
THIS MEANS WAR!
Posted by: The Supreme Council of Kekistan at December 09, 2021 12:22 PM (ESjRY)
557
You're missing the point. And I won't both explaining it to you since you're never going to get it.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 09, 2021 12:13 PM (OalnH)
Don't think I did. If any point was missed, maybe you should redress your post.
You're missing the point. And I won't both explaining it to you since you're never going to get it.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 09, 2021 12:13 PM (OalnH)
Don't think I did. If any point was missed, maybe you should redress your post.
Posted by: I'm The Other White Meat at December 09, 2021 12:22 PM (Fs5vw)
558
If DeSantis is had as effective as Trump he will be poison too. What they did to Trump wasn't magic. It was coordinated and will happen any time they need it.
Posted by: ... at December 09, 2021 12:15 PM (kxVBq)
Concur.
I want President Trump again. To set the madness alight.
Fuck. Them. All.
Posted by: ... at December 09, 2021 12:15 PM (kxVBq)
Concur.
I want President Trump again. To set the madness alight.
Fuck. Them. All.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 09, 2021 12:22 PM (/1l9x)
559
The Founders pledged their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor when they signed that famous and revolutionary document, the Declaration of Independence.
A lot of bad things happened to many of the heroes who signed that document.
Can we do less?
The fate of the country and our posterity hang in the balance. It may already be too late.
I don't know what the future holds. Three years ago, almost no one would have predicted what has happened since then.
But the country we knew as children and younger men has changed, and may be gone with the wind.
Now, as an old man, I may have to fight.
What will you do? Where will you stand?
Talk is cheap, as are internet debates.
A lot of bad things happened to many of the heroes who signed that document.
Can we do less?
The fate of the country and our posterity hang in the balance. It may already be too late.
I don't know what the future holds. Three years ago, almost no one would have predicted what has happened since then.
But the country we knew as children and younger men has changed, and may be gone with the wind.
Now, as an old man, I may have to fight.
What will you do? Where will you stand?
Talk is cheap, as are internet debates.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative.....lost in a lost world at December 09, 2021 12:22 PM (vcOmj)
560
This is not true. From the moment Trump opened his mouth in his announcement it was clear he was with the right.
He was center left, and made it clear with repeated statements. I listed several of them, I know that's awkward to remember but its true. He was moved right by how the left acted. He's more patriotic than they are, but he clearly was very Bill Clinton style.
If they had been willing to work with him and schmooze him, the Dems would have found him more than amenable, but instead they went insane.
He was center left, and made it clear with repeated statements. I listed several of them, I know that's awkward to remember but its true. He was moved right by how the left acted. He's more patriotic than they are, but he clearly was very Bill Clinton style.
If they had been willing to work with him and schmooze him, the Dems would have found him more than amenable, but instead they went insane.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2021 12:22 PM (KZzsI)
561
Letting the left win by keeping Trump from running is not a way to win long-term. The left needs to be crushed and demoralized, forever. They are evil and will never stop, especially if they think there's a crack for them to widen.
Posted by: Andy_in_Colorado at December 09, 2021 12:22 PM (CBrao)
562
I didn't want Trump last time, I wanted Cruz. BUT, I'm not an idiot, and I can recognize a guy that is doing what he said he would do.
That being said, I don't want Trump this time either, I want Pinochet. But until he arrives, I guess I'll take Trump.
Posted by: Hawkpilot at December 09, 2021 12:19 PM
Not sure if cruz will run this time, I guess it depends if Trump puts his hat in the primary.
That being said, I don't want Trump this time either, I want Pinochet. But until he arrives, I guess I'll take Trump.
Posted by: Hawkpilot at December 09, 2021 12:19 PM
Not sure if cruz will run this time, I guess it depends if Trump puts his hat in the primary.
Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at December 09, 2021 12:22 PM (bVYXr)
563
Nood Crusher.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at December 09, 2021 12:23 PM (mdjgu)
564
If what you say is correct, then this argument is about nothing, since no Republican can ever win. Glenn Youngkin would like a word with you.
Posted by: pep at December 09, 2021 12:19 PM (ZsR3z)
Well you're just devising all kind of arguments now. But to follow you're line, let's wait and see how great Glenn Youngkin is. I mean we've had people win before and then turn around and screw us, no?
Posted by: pep at December 09, 2021 12:19 PM (ZsR3z)
Well you're just devising all kind of arguments now. But to follow you're line, let's wait and see how great Glenn Youngkin is. I mean we've had people win before and then turn around and screw us, no?
Posted by: ... at December 09, 2021 12:23 PM (kxVBq)
565
Youngkin seems to have come out as woke after the election.
Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know at December 09, 2021 12:24 PM (nLrWw)
566
I feel like the Catch-22 from 2024 Trump supporters is if you believe the election was rigged to the point it was unwinnable, what changes with Trump in 2024?
Volunteers working as observers in every room where votes are counted in swing states and staying there ALL NIGHT. That would have changed the last election.
Volunteers working as observers in every room where votes are counted in swing states and staying there ALL NIGHT. That would have changed the last election.
Posted by: Cthillary, dead but dreaming at December 09, 2021 12:24 PM (zSyrn)
567
Youngkin was also too rich to take out. When you can spend your own money at will, you can stay above the fray b/c you owe no one...
If we need another candidate like that, he is one, but I don't trust him til I see how he spends 2 years governing here - then, maybe I'd put him in a conversation if we want a "can't be corrupted" guy...
What he does at this point is immaterial to the larger point, which is that it's wrong to say that Dem sliming dooms any GOP candidate.
If we need another candidate like that, he is one, but I don't trust him til I see how he spends 2 years governing here - then, maybe I'd put him in a conversation if we want a "can't be corrupted" guy...
What he does at this point is immaterial to the larger point, which is that it's wrong to say that Dem sliming dooms any GOP candidate.
Posted by: pep at December 09, 2021 12:24 PM (ZsR3z)
568
Another point on this is unfortunately there is a voter out there that just votes on personality. It's probably the single biggest reason Hillary lost, but no one really talks about it. Had Biden been the nominee in 2016, he would have beat Trump. Zero doubt in my mind.
Trump's platform was never the problem, it was genuinely way more popular than previous GOP platforms. But Trump rubs a LOT of people the wrong way. Before Trump got into politics, I thought he was an epic douchebag and if most people here are honest about it, so did they.
There's still people out there that think this way more disgusting. We're not getting to run against Hillary again.
Trump's platform was never the problem, it was genuinely way more popular than previous GOP platforms. But Trump rubs a LOT of people the wrong way. Before Trump got into politics, I thought he was an epic douchebag and if most people here are honest about it, so did they.
There's still people out there that think this way more disgusting. We're not getting to run against Hillary again.
Posted by: Blago at December 09, 2021 12:24 PM (PwNLq)
569
He was center left, and made it clear with repeated statements. I listed several of them, I know that's awkward to remember but its true. He was moved right by how the left acted. He's more patriotic than they are, but he clearly was very Bill Clinton style.
If they had been willing to work with him and schmooze him, the Dems would have found him more than amenable, but instead they went insane.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2021 12:22 PM (KZzsI)
He was center left 1980s style which meant he loved America. That makes one a far right Nazi since about 2010. He was never going to work with the Left against us. Ever. Or he would have. You don't think they tried???
If they had been willing to work with him and schmooze him, the Dems would have found him more than amenable, but instead they went insane.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 09, 2021 12:22 PM (KZzsI)
He was center left 1980s style which meant he loved America. That makes one a far right Nazi since about 2010. He was never going to work with the Left against us. Ever. Or he would have. You don't think they tried???
Posted by: ... at December 09, 2021 12:24 PM (kxVBq)
570
Read the Patrick Byrne book. Trump has catastrophically bad judgement on who he trusts.
Posted by: Ian S.
==
Pretty sure almost everyone here voted for Bush, Bush, McCain Romney. The deep state is good at what it does.
Posted by: Ian S.
==
Pretty sure almost everyone here voted for Bush, Bush, McCain Romney. The deep state is good at what it does.
Posted by: We're all living in glass houses on that score, aren't we? at December 09, 2021 12:24 PM (lSr5H)
571
Incidentally, Matt Gaetz says he's discussed the internet's plan where Trump runs for the House and is elected Speaker with Trump. I feel like that would be way more hilarious. He'd get a bigger gavel than Pelosi's ObamaCare one for sure.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 09, 2021 12:25 PM (ZGrMX)
572
Interesting point of view; only one thing missing: the name of a candidate who (i) can unite the country with Trump's vision, fighting spirit & unceasing-focused energy, and (ii) will not, at the same time, draw equal animosity from his opponents (DeSantis, for example, draws at least as much - if not more).
Posted by: One-Eyed Cat Peepin' in the Seafood Store at December 09, 2021 12:25 PM (Ybhj0)
573
Glenn Youngkin would like a word with you.
Posted by: pep at December 09, 2021 12:19 PM (ZsR3z)
LOL. Glenn Youngkin is a dishwater-dull establishment cuck. Useless.
Glenn Youngkin would like a word with you.
Posted by: pep at December 09, 2021 12:19 PM (ZsR3z)
LOL. Glenn Youngkin is a dishwater-dull establishment cuck. Useless.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 09, 2021 12:26 PM (2ABQr)
574
Right. Anyone who changes their mind based on new information is a fool or lacks principles. Good to know.
Posted by: pep at December 09, 2021 12:19 PM (ZsR3z)
Not what I said.
I don't care what you "learned" since then. You are at best a bandwagoner and at worst a shirt changer who can feel the wind when it's at hurricane strength.
QED.
Posted by: pep at December 09, 2021 12:19 PM (ZsR3z)
Not what I said.
I don't care what you "learned" since then. You are at best a bandwagoner and at worst a shirt changer who can feel the wind when it's at hurricane strength.
QED.
Posted by: pep at December 09, 2021 12:26 PM (ZsR3z)
575
"I hope he treats his second term as nothing short of "The Fuckening" of the left and any traitors on the right."
This, a thousand times this. The biggest failure in the Trump term was squandering the opportunity in the first two years. Purge the heretics and the unclean, and with a vengeance.
This, a thousand times this. The biggest failure in the Trump term was squandering the opportunity in the first two years. Purge the heretics and the unclean, and with a vengeance.
Posted by: Crusty Curmudgeon at December 09, 2021 12:28 PM (B3zit)
576
Just fighting isn't enough. Fighting smart and well and above all not giving the enemy angles of attack that they didn't have before - that's the key.
Everyone knows the media and Dems are full of shit. Even they know they're full of shit. But when someone steps on their own dick over and over again, it makes it easy for them.
We need someone who doesn't just fight, but refuses to make ANYTHING easy for them. And, we need someone with the stones to metaphorically turn some three letter agencies to glass. Not sure that's Trump. Love the guy, but not sure that's him.
Everyone knows the media and Dems are full of shit. Even they know they're full of shit. But when someone steps on their own dick over and over again, it makes it easy for them.
We need someone who doesn't just fight, but refuses to make ANYTHING easy for them. And, we need someone with the stones to metaphorically turn some three letter agencies to glass. Not sure that's Trump. Love the guy, but not sure that's him.
Posted by: Oldstoke at December 09, 2021 12:29 PM (sb+Cg)
577
425 BTW - and this is not directed to ward anyone specific - if you weren't an early Trump adopter - let's be generous and say by February of 2016, then your opinion on what Trump should or shouldn't do means fuck all.
I don't care what you "learned" since then. You are at best a bandwagoner and at worst a shirt changer who can feel the wind when it's at hurricane strength.
Posted by: ... at December 09, 2021 12:03 PM (kxVBq)
I don't think that's fair. Not at all. I remember way back when and no conservatives knew if Trump would be conservative at all.
Questioning what he would due during the primary portion of the program is not disqualifying for someone that was a registered Dem and never held office.
I don't care what you "learned" since then. You are at best a bandwagoner and at worst a shirt changer who can feel the wind when it's at hurricane strength.
Posted by: ... at December 09, 2021 12:03 PM (kxVBq)
I don't think that's fair. Not at all. I remember way back when and no conservatives knew if Trump would be conservative at all.
Questioning what he would due during the primary portion of the program is not disqualifying for someone that was a registered Dem and never held office.
Posted by: Inogame X-State Lines at December 09, 2021 12:30 PM (53oGX)
578
Clearly, Trump but not Trump will win.
Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at December 09, 2021 12:31 PM (UHVv4)
579
>maybe they will like us if we don't run trump
This is fucking deluded.
This is fucking deluded.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 09, 2021 12:31 PM (kfJVa)
580
19 But everyone has to admit Trump was the first with no government experience. I would give him a chance again now he knows what is up against him.
Trump 2024
^^THIS^^
Trump 2024
^^THIS^^
Posted by: TXMarko at December 09, 2021 12:32 PM (7aFgI)
581
CBD: Say what you will about the angry commenter's tone and attitude up there, but "The Conservative Case for Trump Never Running Again" is good rhetoric, and makes a valid point against your rant today.
Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at December 09, 2021 12:32 PM (OssQ4)
582
Brandon. Keck.
Seriously? This timeline isn't even remotely serious any longer.
Ahh, the simulation is leaking state again.
Posted by: Ian S.
This is f'n hilarious and a bit unsettling.
Seriously? This timeline isn't even remotely serious any longer.
Ahh, the simulation is leaking state again.
Posted by: Ian S.
This is f'n hilarious and a bit unsettling.
Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at December 09, 2021 12:36 PM (OssQ4)
583
irright be right
Posted by: chango butt at December 09, 2021 12:36 PM (oSX/P)
584
"I don't care what you 'learned' since [February 2016]. You are at best a bandwagoner and at worst a shirt changer who can feel the wind when it's at hurricane strength."
I'm not a bandwagoner at all, or I would deny my past reluctance. One reason I have posted much less at Ace's site since 2016 (although continuing to read here) is--while supporting Trump out of necessity--NOT being an enthusiast. You are going for ad hominem to discredit those who are not all-in on Trump.
The facts are Trump barely won in 2016 by a few well-placed votes in key states against a loathsome, zero-charisma Democratic candidate who struggled to beat frigging Bernie Sanders. Trump won the splintered GOP nomination by shrewdly taking a unique, under-represented position on a key issue (that he then failed to deliver on).
In 2020 with all the powers of incumbency at his disposal Trump could not put away a doddering joke of a candidate who had been running unsuccessfully for the presidency since 1988.
I have not joined the cult of personality that buys his self-promotion and sees those results as a hurricane force. Rather, I support DeSantis as the stronger candidate.
I'm not a bandwagoner at all, or I would deny my past reluctance. One reason I have posted much less at Ace's site since 2016 (although continuing to read here) is--while supporting Trump out of necessity--NOT being an enthusiast. You are going for ad hominem to discredit those who are not all-in on Trump.
The facts are Trump barely won in 2016 by a few well-placed votes in key states against a loathsome, zero-charisma Democratic candidate who struggled to beat frigging Bernie Sanders. Trump won the splintered GOP nomination by shrewdly taking a unique, under-represented position on a key issue (that he then failed to deliver on).
In 2020 with all the powers of incumbency at his disposal Trump could not put away a doddering joke of a candidate who had been running unsuccessfully for the presidency since 1988.
I have not joined the cult of personality that buys his self-promotion and sees those results as a hurricane force. Rather, I support DeSantis as the stronger candidate.
Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at December 09, 2021 12:37 PM (WWwOp)
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Now you can say exit polls are fake or whatever. Fine. But you can't say exit polls are fake and then also claim Trump won crossover Democrats.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 09, 2021 12:12 PM (OalnH)
Yes I can.
I also know Dems in Chicago a deep blue city.. they not only voted Trump, but their families did. Their coworkers did.. their coworkers families did.
They mocked Biden openly...
Not polls and small samples but City union workers...
In Chicago. Black, white, hispanic.
Not scientific.. but not insignificant.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 09, 2021 12:12 PM (OalnH)
Yes I can.
I also know Dems in Chicago a deep blue city.. they not only voted Trump, but their families did. Their coworkers did.. their coworkers families did.
They mocked Biden openly...
Not polls and small samples but City union workers...
In Chicago. Black, white, hispanic.
Not scientific.. but not insignificant.
Posted by: Inogame X-State Lines at December 09, 2021 12:38 PM (53oGX)
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OT, the guy that Portland police shot and killed for an attempted carjacking has been identified as Brandon Keck.
I see an image of Death, complete with scythe saying "Let's go, Brandon."
I see an image of Death, complete with scythe saying "Let's go, Brandon."
Posted by: Cthillary, dead but dreaming at December 09, 2021 12:39 PM (zSyrn)
587
"You have the loyalty of more than half of America"
Closer to 40%. I voted for Trump twice, in the general (Cruz in the primary in 2016), but he isn't polling all that well (head to head) considering how bad Biden's number are. And, as you correctly state, it galvanizes the opposition. I hope for the King Maker status as well, and the anointing of DeSantis...
Closer to 40%. I voted for Trump twice, in the general (Cruz in the primary in 2016), but he isn't polling all that well (head to head) considering how bad Biden's number are. And, as you correctly state, it galvanizes the opposition. I hope for the King Maker status as well, and the anointing of DeSantis...
Posted by: Memories at December 09, 2021 12:40 PM (mwcEF)
588
Boy, how many of us haven't found ourselves in a gay locker room as a kid for no particular reason?
Posted by: Alec Leamas at December 09, 2021 12:43 PM (ssz2a)
589
I have not joined the cult of personality that buys his self-promotion and sees those results as a hurricane force. Rather, I support DeSantis as the stronger candidate.
Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at December 09, 2021 12:37 PM (WWwOp)
Yeah Trump was an ineffective self-promoting loser, let's go with some guy you chose. Hot take.
I have not joined the cult of personality that buys his self-promotion and sees those results as a hurricane force. Rather, I support DeSantis as the stronger candidate.
Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at December 09, 2021 12:37 PM (WWwOp)
Yeah Trump was an ineffective self-promoting loser, let's go with some guy you chose. Hot take.
Posted by: ... at December 09, 2021 12:44 PM (kxVBq)
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I don't think that's fair. Not at all. I remember way back when and no conservatives knew if Trump would be conservative at all.
Questioning what he would due during the primary portion of the program is not disqualifying for someone that was a registered Dem and never held office.
Posted by: Inogame X-State Lines at December 09, 2021 12:30 PM (53oGX)
I spent 2016 arguing with people, and taking a lot of cheap insults, who all knew Trump was a loser, not a conservative, etc, etc. Now that he's proven way otherwise I am not gonna spend the next three years arguing with those SAME people again.
Questioning what he would due during the primary portion of the program is not disqualifying for someone that was a registered Dem and never held office.
Posted by: Inogame X-State Lines at December 09, 2021 12:30 PM (53oGX)
I spent 2016 arguing with people, and taking a lot of cheap insults, who all knew Trump was a loser, not a conservative, etc, etc. Now that he's proven way otherwise I am not gonna spend the next three years arguing with those SAME people again.
Posted by: ... at December 09, 2021 12:46 PM (kxVBq)
591
Here's a weird prediction. So much can happen between now and 2024, that there is a chance that neither Biden, Harris, Trump, or DeSantis will be in that race. DeSantis is the most likely of the four to make it there.
Posted by: MW at December 09, 2021 12:47 PM (u33s0)
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Not what I said.
I don't care what you "learned" since then. You are at best a bandwagoner and at worst a shirt changer who can feel the wind when it's at hurricane strength.
QED.
Posted by: pep at December 09, 2021 12:26 PM (ZsR3z)
With regards to "your" opinion on Trump. Where do you see fool and whatever else you accused me of saying?
Not what I said.
I don't care what you "learned" since then. You are at best a bandwagoner and at worst a shirt changer who can feel the wind when it's at hurricane strength.
QED.
Posted by: pep at December 09, 2021 12:26 PM (ZsR3z)
With regards to "your" opinion on Trump. Where do you see fool and whatever else you accused me of saying?
Posted by: ... at December 09, 2021 12:47 PM (kxVBq)
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Newt / Rand for the win!
Posted by: Still Shaving w/ Schick at December 09, 2021 12:48 PM (e/gaB)
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EVERYTHING they threw at Trump they will do to anyone else who runs...every deep state investigation, every bit of spying, every bit of lying, every dredged up "yellow light" run...every Tax T not crossed or dotted, every nazi name called, every racist sexist,trope...ALL of it. Who else is going to withstand that? Trump has faced it and beat it. There was no There, There. and the proof of that is finally coming out. Another three years of more exculpatory proof and three more years of constant irrational ad hominem Trump hate will not wear well with the average citizen...The screeching Henny Penny harridens claiming the sky of wolves is falling are rendering themselves outcasts, mere mendacious background noise.
It is the Dem party that is facing irreparable fracture, and on policy, not "personally".(never trumpers are already Dems)
The world of 2023 will be vastly different than today..we may be in a world war, a civil war, an economic collapse, perhaps all three. Trump may well decide "Tooo damn Tarbaby, I'm out". He may also involve himself in something that solves one of those problems BEFORE they wreck the world, and be a landslide choice for nearly everyone.
It is the Dem party that is facing irreparable fracture, and on policy, not "personally".(never trumpers are already Dems)
The world of 2023 will be vastly different than today..we may be in a world war, a civil war, an economic collapse, perhaps all three. Trump may well decide "Tooo damn Tarbaby, I'm out". He may also involve himself in something that solves one of those problems BEFORE they wreck the world, and be a landslide choice for nearly everyone.
Posted by: Birddog at December 09, 2021 12:54 PM (uAI4S)
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A day used to be a long time in politics, now a single news cycle is...
Tell me what clothes you'll need to be wearing three years from now.
Tell me what clothes you'll need to be wearing three years from now.
Posted by: Birddog at December 09, 2021 12:56 PM (uAI4S)
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595 A day used to be a long time in politics, now a single news cycle is...
Tell me what clothes you'll need to be wearing three years from now.
Well, I'll have changed my underwear by then, for sure!
Tell me what clothes you'll need to be wearing three years from now.
Well, I'll have changed my underwear by then, for sure!
Posted by: Cthillary, dead but dreaming at December 09, 2021 01:02 PM (zSyrn)
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CBD, if Trump doesn't run, you broadcast to the unhinged Left that their evil attacks WIN, and you guarantee that approach (weaponized FBI, etc) in perpetuity. We must not, MUST NOT, send that message. Come on, the idea that a "nicer guy" will dial down the Left? They had Mitt Romney tying dogs to death cars. How in the world can you blame *Trump* for the Left? Grow a backbone and some balls, and join us as we beat the bastards this time.
Posted by: bradc at December 09, 2021 01:15 PM (xTt/H)
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Man CBD thou doth cross a near infinite line ( personally speaking) with this one .
Have you ever watched a Clint Eastwood western?
Big Don is coming back to D. C. Town.
Hang. Em. High.
Have you ever watched a Clint Eastwood western?
Big Don is coming back to D. C. Town.
Hang. Em. High.
Posted by: Beyond Norman Parameters at December 09, 2021 01:20 PM (iFPJz)
599
...That being said, I don't want Trump this time either, I want Pinochet. But until he arrives, I guess I'll take Trump......
Agree on the Pinochet, but I am a Christian Nationalist who is to the right of most y'all.
But I wont be voting for Trump, again. I think he was the best president we've had since Jackson.
But his time is over. He kep pushing the defacto and dejire war crime clot shots. And if war crines are being commited imho we are defacto at war even if it isnt super-kinetic like, say, Verdun. His personall choices were moronic level, i.e. John Bolton.
There is evil afoot. Maybe not THE anti-christ, but a anti-christ, many in fact, are running amok.
I wish I had Putin. Someone who wouldnt hate me for bending a knee to Jesus and enjoying camping.
Agree on the Pinochet, but I am a Christian Nationalist who is to the right of most y'all.
But I wont be voting for Trump, again. I think he was the best president we've had since Jackson.
But his time is over. He kep pushing the defacto and dejire war crime clot shots. And if war crines are being commited imho we are defacto at war even if it isnt super-kinetic like, say, Verdun. His personall choices were moronic level, i.e. John Bolton.
There is evil afoot. Maybe not THE anti-christ, but a anti-christ, many in fact, are running amok.
I wish I had Putin. Someone who wouldnt hate me for bending a knee to Jesus and enjoying camping.
Posted by: Troy at December 09, 2021 01:25 PM (gz95d)
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>>>any chance, remote as it may seem now, for some sort of reconciliation or cold peace between the two Americas would disappear.
Their side is not interested in reconciliation, and only interested in "cold peace" inasmuch as it furthers their goals to send all wrong thinkers to the executioners block or a concentration camp. I am not in a mindset that says going light on the middle is acceptable. Polarization is the only thing now that has any hope of saving freedom. Polarize, galvanize, and if you come out on top you have the will to do what is needed to reform against commiefascism. If you don't at least you push open confrontation while there are at least some real number folks that would actually oppose the regime. If you say that's not an option than you've already surrendered because that's how far the commienazis are willing to go so that's how far it will go if we don't win in a big way right now. So if you seek to avoid polarizing the electorate you might as well get your knees flexed for the bending, and your tongue practiced for the boot licking.
All that said. I'd prefer Desantis, I think he's a better leader overall.
Their side is not interested in reconciliation, and only interested in "cold peace" inasmuch as it furthers their goals to send all wrong thinkers to the executioners block or a concentration camp. I am not in a mindset that says going light on the middle is acceptable. Polarization is the only thing now that has any hope of saving freedom. Polarize, galvanize, and if you come out on top you have the will to do what is needed to reform against commiefascism. If you don't at least you push open confrontation while there are at least some real number folks that would actually oppose the regime. If you say that's not an option than you've already surrendered because that's how far the commienazis are willing to go so that's how far it will go if we don't win in a big way right now. So if you seek to avoid polarizing the electorate you might as well get your knees flexed for the bending, and your tongue practiced for the boot licking.
All that said. I'd prefer Desantis, I think he's a better leader overall.
Posted by: mikethemoose at December 09, 2021 01:27 PM (T/vhV)
601
showing once again that even the BEST of the internet warrior vichy GOP are useless craven weaklings.
stay on the interwebs little man. its gonna get dangerous out there in the real world for folks like you.
stay on the interwebs little man. its gonna get dangerous out there in the real world for folks like you.
Posted by: johny drama at December 09, 2021 01:33 PM (4c7Gh)
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I have felt something similar about this supposed fatal Trump weakness for selecting allies, but then when I try to identify someone who might be a more astute judge of character, they never display "l'audace" that it is going to take to defeat the deep state!
I say Trump for Speaker in 2022 and Trump for President in 2024! Hopefully the Dems will be so demoralized by two and then four years of Dopey Joe that they will be unable to Mount a credible opposition!
Ps. Yes, the media has to be ruthlessly destroyed... but things are trending in the right direction there!
I say Trump for Speaker in 2022 and Trump for President in 2024! Hopefully the Dems will be so demoralized by two and then four years of Dopey Joe that they will be unable to Mount a credible opposition!
Ps. Yes, the media has to be ruthlessly destroyed... but things are trending in the right direction there!
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at December 09, 2021 01:34 PM (9EsIa)
603
Agree, Trump does energize democrats. He demonstrated this by adding 12 million(if not more) former democrats to America First in 2020. And yes, he won in a landslide.
I agree with the premise of this post, but Trump does not belong to any donors like DeSantis will and therefore can actually fight against the establishment. And yes, he will with a vengeance once re-elected. Highly competitive successful professionals absolutely do not forget what others do to them. Have a great day fellow fat-bros and ettes!
I agree with the premise of this post, but Trump does not belong to any donors like DeSantis will and therefore can actually fight against the establishment. And yes, he will with a vengeance once re-elected. Highly competitive successful professionals absolutely do not forget what others do to them. Have a great day fellow fat-bros and ettes!
Posted by: Danimal28 at December 09, 2021 01:36 PM (8O629)
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The whole thought exercise is pointless. The left will be "energized" by the thought that anyone not their "chosen" one will be elected. Doesn't matter who candidate is. It's just the fact that Trump was able to win at all. As instaPundit says - They only like FORMER replubican presidents! if you think Trump Derangement was bad - wait until after the mid-terms and check out the DeathSantis Derangement Syndrom (DDS @copyright - because you know it's coming! ).
Posted by: brandonsignorantcousin at December 09, 2021 01:36 PM (dZH9P)
605
not the political master that you needed to be." Thats what happens when you are not a politician and rely on so called "FRIENDS" who are (like that Fat Bastard Chris Christie, who helped his "Friend" Trump get Christopher Wray into the FBI) backstabbing you for political favors and money from Lobbyists. I think he has learned what he has to do, and a second term would be devastating to the Political Class. They knew that in 2020 and thats why they cheated to steal the election.
Posted by: EllaMentary at December 09, 2021 01:48 PM (PjDYC)
606
.....What those of us who fight do is merely continuing the struggle of the men and women who came before to ensure this most exceptional nation endures.....
I dont think anyone on the right, self included, is doing anything remotely what I would call "fighting."
....If you really want to punish Democrats, put Trump back in office......
wewould issue lotteries for the prilvige of tossing war criminal Fauci out of a helicoptor.....like for real.
I dont think anyone on the right, self included, is doing anything remotely what I would call "fighting."
....If you really want to punish Democrats, put Trump back in office......
wewould issue lotteries for the prilvige of tossing war criminal Fauci out of a helicoptor.....like for real.
Posted by: Troy at December 09, 2021 02:01 PM (hwEkL)
607
You make good points, but ....
"and any chance, remote as it may seem now, for some sort of reconciliation or cold peace between the two Americas would disappear. "
To be honest, that sounds like a very good reason for him TO run.
I don't want peace with left. And I don't want reconciliation with them. I want their heads.
"and any chance, remote as it may seem now, for some sort of reconciliation or cold peace between the two Americas would disappear. "
To be honest, that sounds like a very good reason for him TO run.
I don't want peace with left. And I don't want reconciliation with them. I want their heads.
Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at December 09, 2021 02:15 PM (TU8Tj)
608
Simply put, "NO"
"You have the loyalty of more than half of America. They will fight for you; they will vote for your candidates
I honestly don't think that's entirely true.
"You have the loyalty of more than half of America. They will fight for you; they will vote for your candidates
I honestly don't think that's entirely true.
Posted by: deadrody at December 09, 2021 02:26 PM (V9901)
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Who would I rather see?
I Dunno. I really don't.
Who is more likely to finally dismantle some of the FBI/DOJ/CIA/IRS partisan idiocy and bureaucratic bullcrap that plagues us daily?
Maybe DeSantis knows enough to be able to do it; but would he?
Maybe Trump learned form failing his first go-round to actually do it? Or maybe not?
I know what I want; but I don't know if anyone would do it.
I Dunno. I really don't.
Who is more likely to finally dismantle some of the FBI/DOJ/CIA/IRS partisan idiocy and bureaucratic bullcrap that plagues us daily?
Maybe DeSantis knows enough to be able to do it; but would he?
Maybe Trump learned form failing his first go-round to actually do it? Or maybe not?
I know what I want; but I don't know if anyone would do it.
Posted by: ertdfg at December 09, 2021 02:34 PM (I388C)
610
nope, I'm voting for Trump, if not Trump then it doesn't matter who wins because it will be the Uniparty that has won.
Posted by: Shoey77 at December 09, 2021 02:37 PM (fcWVN)
611
Ah yes, failure theater finally comes to Ace of Spades, via CBD as he aligns with NeverTrumpers to float "the conservative case for abandoning the first president to represent our interests since Reagan"
You feckless fuck. You deserve what the Left has in mind for you. Although I do recall, when asked if Ace & Cobs should be just and fair in dealings with their own people, you saying fck you this a BUSINESS. Bit of a mask slip there, as we thought this was about saving the Republic, and not just a more subtle grift than NRO. So you're not only safe from the Left, you'll get your 30 pieces of silver. Poor Ace. He wont even see it coming.
Regardless, while pretending that Realism is what motivates your betrayal of Trump, you failed to mention your attempt to remove Trump will get us another Romney, not a DeSantis.
It's all moot anyway. Ive come to the realization that your kind will never fight. Yes like all of us you just want to be left alone to pursue career and family, but you wont risk any of that for Liberty. "The besr have losr all conviction". You've resigned yourself to lower expectations and manage the decline. And make a few bucks on the way down.
You feckless fuck. You deserve what the Left has in mind for you. Although I do recall, when asked if Ace & Cobs should be just and fair in dealings with their own people, you saying fck you this a BUSINESS. Bit of a mask slip there, as we thought this was about saving the Republic, and not just a more subtle grift than NRO. So you're not only safe from the Left, you'll get your 30 pieces of silver. Poor Ace. He wont even see it coming.
Regardless, while pretending that Realism is what motivates your betrayal of Trump, you failed to mention your attempt to remove Trump will get us another Romney, not a DeSantis.
It's all moot anyway. Ive come to the realization that your kind will never fight. Yes like all of us you just want to be left alone to pursue career and family, but you wont risk any of that for Liberty. "The besr have losr all conviction". You've resigned yourself to lower expectations and manage the decline. And make a few bucks on the way down.
Posted by: Fen at December 09, 2021 02:49 PM (ApOPt)
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Shorter: you think you can make a deal with Marxists, but first they need us to betray our leader.
Seen it already. Been re-imagined a dozen times but always leads to the same ending - in your driveway, on your knees, begging to explain.
But dont forget to have the Left greenlight your choice of candidates. You rewarded their demonization of Trump, ensuring that will be dialed up to 11 now for every GOP nom. So they owe you something.
Seen it already. Been re-imagined a dozen times but always leads to the same ending - in your driveway, on your knees, begging to explain.
But dont forget to have the Left greenlight your choice of candidates. You rewarded their demonization of Trump, ensuring that will be dialed up to 11 now for every GOP nom. So they owe you something.
Posted by: Fen at December 09, 2021 03:02 PM (ApOPt)
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I would vote for Trump in a NY minute. That said, I think DeSantis would be a better candidate as he is in his mid-40's, can run for two terms, is more measured, and appears well aware the evil the left is up too. As for the comment about DeSantis being needed in Florida, he will have won re-election by 2024, two years into his second and last term-limit allowed term as Governor. He is popular with the public with swing-state like sensibilities. Florida has also been trending Red for a while as records show that the new transplants are strongly trending GOP. I think it is worth the sacrifice. Best case (and I'm aware that Trump can do what Trump wants to do), DeSantis gets the nod and he sics Trump on some Progressive cesspool such as CIA or the State Department. Hell, if career political crony Leon Panetta can head the Defense Dept. and the CIA, so can Trump.
Posted by: spike at December 09, 2021 03:44 PM (VxxX3)
614
Only a FOOL believes leftists want reconciliation or peace. Conservatives need a strong leader who can literally make heads roll in the federal bureaucracy and leftist state governments.
And if you think that's extreme, what do you think leftists have in mind for you?
And if you think that's extreme, what do you think leftists have in mind for you?
Posted by: drjimi at December 09, 2021 04:29 PM (DNG9x)
615
You might be right, but I don't think so. I think cause and effect are flipped here. The left did not wig out just because it was Trump. They treat each R presidential candidate considerably worse than the previous.
They hated Trump before he was president, so that had little to hat e him for except the R. The "reasons" they give for hating Trump are part of the process of taking down each R presidential candidate.
The truth is they'll hate the next person just as much, unless they are an actual hard core leftist. Normal things are "racist" now. I think it would be a mistake to ignore someone that has proven they are on your side because they will make the left angry. The left will be angry with anyone, but the "reasons" will be new ones.
Your argument could have merit if it were tweaked a bit to: they already have lies about Trump and made progress getting some independants to hate him. With someone new, they have to start from scratch.
That makes some sense, but Biden could be undoing a lot of the previous arguments.
They hated Trump before he was president, so that had little to hat e him for except the R. The "reasons" they give for hating Trump are part of the process of taking down each R presidential candidate.
The truth is they'll hate the next person just as much, unless they are an actual hard core leftist. Normal things are "racist" now. I think it would be a mistake to ignore someone that has proven they are on your side because they will make the left angry. The left will be angry with anyone, but the "reasons" will be new ones.
Your argument could have merit if it were tweaked a bit to: they already have lies about Trump and made progress getting some independants to hate him. With someone new, they have to start from scratch.
That makes some sense, but Biden could be undoing a lot of the previous arguments.
Posted by: Casita de Mordor at December 09, 2021 04:35 PM (MbBW2)
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So we're just supposed to not support Trump because he thought the Republican party was on his side? That the entrenched bureaucracy would not sabotage him every step of the way? Trump is just the beginning. They think we're stopped because they stole on election? What they get after Trump is not going to be half as congenial. We're mad as hell and we're not going to take it anymore! (thank you Paddy Chaeveski)
Posted by: Tom Eckert at December 09, 2021 05:20 PM (2nF3o)
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If not Trump than who? The problem is that no matter who Is the R nominee, they will be politically polarizing because the left does not want reconciliation, they want total control. They dream this country another 3rd world socialist dictatorship ran by them exclusively. There is no room for even the slightest difference in opinions, let alone one that celebrates American Exceptionalism. Who else but Trump is willing to sacrifice their public image. Cruz? DeSantis? The media has already demonized them so they to are polarizing. Anyone, especially those who would emulate Trump, will be polarizing because, the left has a stranglehold on all mass communication, so it doesn't matter who will run. It might as well be Trump because he may not be perfect, but he's the best we know we got.
Posted by: Master Delta at December 09, 2021 05:54 PM (K8pjl)
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Concur.
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Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
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