The Baris Thanksgiving Poll [Dave in Fla]

Rich Baris just released his most recent poll just prior to Thanksgiving. I want to take a look at two interesting results regarding voting preference and COVID.

Before I start, let me comment about how Baris does his polling. While he does work for individual clients, he gets most of the funding for his polling operations through crowd sourcing. This means that he is not beholden to the client for providing results they want to hear, or not reporting aspects of the internals that would work against the client's agenda.

The result is that Baris has been arguably the most accurate pollster since before 2016. He was exactly right on the Florida 2018 results, his state polling during 2020 was much more accurate than any of the media polls, and he nailed the results of the 2021 Virginia governor's race. Not only did he predict the outcome exactly, he also exactly predicted the demographic turnout and votes by race, gender, and region.

I am about to borrow a good bit from his reporting tool, and I highly recommend that you support his work. If you want to do so, the best way to follow and support him is at peoplespundit.locals.com. He is doing great work and is shaming the industry into cleaning up their act, by being consistently correct, while they are consistently wrong.

While I understand the sentiment that some of you have regarding the accuracy of polling, this one really is different. Lumping Baris' work with the trash from Fox or CNN is being intellectually dishonest.

The Methodology

The poll is based on 2414 registered voters nationwide. This is a strong sample size to begin with, the most recent CNN poll (with a +5 Dem result) was only 859 registered voters. In general, a high confidence national poll needs a minimum sample of 1200 respondents. However, Baris goes further in getting his sample. He is always looking for representative samples from all demographic groups. Some groups are hard to sample, such as middle-aged working white men in rural areas, where it is very easy to get urban white women with graduate degrees. This means that he keeps sampling until he has enough response from all the target subgroups to be valid. He stops sampling subgroups when their "quota" is filled. His demographic targets are based on consumer research.

Bottom line is this is as good as you can get in national polling. His 95% confidence level is legit. I'm going to highlight two portions of his results, electoral preference and COVID. If you aren't interested in election polling, be sure to read the COVID section.

Electoral Results and Analysis

Baris is finding similar results to the latest polling from other firms. This gives some credibility that those polls were probably performed legitimately, and this is now the 6th poll in the last 3 weeks showing an unheard-of lead for Republicans in the generic congressional ballot. The following shows the results for both 2022 congressional preference, but also polls a 2024 matchup between Trump and Biden.

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There are several interesting takeaways from these results. First, he is finding the GOP with an 8-point lead over the Democrats. He is also finding Trump with an 8-point lead over Biden. There were a couple comments on Tuesday about generic candidate doing better than an actual named candidate, but these results show that thinking is suspect. You can't be less generic than Trump vs. Biden. Every voter in the country has an opinion about them. The level of support for both is lower than the generic ballot though. 20% of the voters want someone else. By the way, Harris polls even worse against Trump, he leads her by 10.5 points.

There are a couple subgroup results I found interesting. The only group that Biden leads with is 18-24 year olds. However, generic Democrat is losing in every age group including the youth vote. I also find it fascinating the difference between the 18-24 and 25-29 groups. Generic Republican goes up 5 points, but Trump goes up 10 points. This seems to indicate that once the youth finally get off the campuses and enter the real world, their willingness to support Trump rises significantly.

The source of weakness for Trump is in the 65+ subgroup. While generic Republican wins the seniors 6 points, Trump barely breaks even. These are the most reliable voters, so Trump either needs to find a way to get their vote or have a high turnout election to maximize the votes from the 40-49 and 50-64 groups, where he has a huge lead.

Since my last post looked at women voting, here is the breakdown by gender in the poll.

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As expected, the preference for both Republicans and Trump is driven by men. Women do still prefer both by about 3 points, but it much lower than the 13-point lead seen with men. I see a lot of "Let's Go Brandon" bumper stickers on trucks around here. This could be an understatement of women's support for the GOP too. The social undesirability effect is still out there, and they could by lying to pollsters.

COVID

Rich started polling about vaccine adverse effects back in September when he was trying to examine the VAERS database and finding the results did not match Phizer records that he had access to. He believed that the VAERS system was being severely under reported, and his polling confirmed that.

These results are troubling

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Baris is finding that 5.2% of respondents have had severe reactions to the vaccines. There is no political bias in this reporting, with all political affiliations reporting at close to the same rate. According to the CDC, 182 million people have received a full vaccine course. This means that 9.4 million people have had a severe reaction that prevented daily activity. This does not include people who have died from the vaccine, since they aren't answering polls.

Also, according to the CDC, 769 thousand people have died from COVID in the US. Out of a population of 330 million, this puts the risk of dying of COVID at 0.23%.

The risk comparison between the two groups means that by taking the vaccine, you are increasing your risk by 2260%. This is made worse by moving to a booster regime. From a pure probability perspective, by the time you get to the 8th booster, your odds of a severe reaction are 50%. An argument might be that if you didn't have a reaction to the first two, you won't have a reaction to the boosters. This is possible but recall there are confirmed cases of people who had no reaction to the first two shots, who died from the booster.

It should surprise no one, that despite these risk factors, the main Karens in the country are Democrats. Mandates are very unpopular in the US. But over 60% of Democrats support mandates with employees being fired and severe fines for companies that don't comply.

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Who is the Fascist now?

Republicans and Independents are against mandates, with over 50% of both groups strongly against them. This shows the very authoritarian streak that runs through the Democrat party of today. Thankfully mandate support remains under 40% overall.

Overall, this is a really good and informative poll. Rich Baris is doing yeoman's work, and single handedly pulling the polling industry out of the gutter it has been in since 2010. If you don't follow him yet on Locals, Youtube, Rumble, or Twitter, I recommend that you do so.



Update [OregonMuse] This Atlantic piece just dropped:

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1 Sponge

Posted by: Bete at November 24, 2021 12:34 PM (Ojki1)

2 Daily Beast editor and aspiring Cheka commissioner Molly Jong Fast asks you to report your relatives to the FBI this Thanksgiving

https://bit.ly/3DSZtri

Posted by: bonhomme at November 24, 2021 12:34 PM (sG4Hj)

3 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Jackson Sparks at November 24, 2021 12:35 PM (Zz0t1)

4 Dave really loves his work. It shows.

Posted by: gp's Dark Energy Acceleration at November 24, 2021 12:35 PM (qpX6U)

5 Rich Baris.

Didn't he build the Batmobile, the Munsters car and the Monkees mobile?

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Jackson Sparks at November 24, 2021 12:36 PM (Zz0t1)

6 This does not include people who have died from the vaccine, since they aren't answering polls.
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Then this is a flaw in the data because it severely undercounts Democrats.

Posted by: ... at November 24, 2021 12:36 PM (fIKfQ)

7 Yeah, Dave in Fla!

Posted by: vmom - link to Red's fundraiser at November 24, 2021 12:36 PM (FcPY7)

8 Graphs are easier to read than tables.

Posted by: Just sayin' at November 24, 2021 12:37 PM (jYQlA)

9 The Democrat brand is taking a pounding these days.

I'm sure getting some more Hollywood actors to party without masks with Obama on his private property next to the ocean will make things better.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, holy crap, John Ford made a lot of movies in the 1930s at November 24, 2021 12:37 PM (3EWns)

10 Didn't Rich Baris host the Gong Show?

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at November 24, 2021 12:37 PM (CjHGv)

11 That's a whole lot of leetle tiny letters.

Posted by: wth at November 24, 2021 12:38 PM (v0R5T)

12 Didn't Rich Baris host the Gong Show?
Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at November 24, 2021 12:37 PM (CjHGv)

Well under his alias, because ya do know he worked for the CIA right?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 24, 2021 12:38 PM (Irn0L)

13 Chuck > Rich

Posted by: BignJames at November 24, 2021 12:39 PM (AwYPR)

14 Vaccine mandates give my life meaning!

I never drive a car unmasked!

Posted by: Covid Karen! at November 24, 2021 12:39 PM (I2/tG)

15 5 Rich Baris.

Didn't he build the Batmobile, the Munsters car and the Monkees mobile?
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Jackson Sparks at November 24, 2021 12:36 PM (Zz0t1)

No, silly. He was the host of the Gong Show.

Dave in FL, as one of those who placed polling slightly above phrenology as a science, Baris' work is interesting. I really like the crowdsourced aspect to it as well, because I've noticed that even though all those other 'polls' got it 'wrong', they never get fired. That tells me that they're not getting it 'wrong' for their real clients. One thing's for sure, those clients aren't us.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at November 24, 2021 12:40 PM (mdjgu)

16 Out of a population of 330 million, this puts the risk of dying of COVID at 0.23%.
........

Your chances of dying in a traffic circle are higher.

Posted by: wth at November 24, 2021 12:40 PM (v0R5T)

17 I've been saying for a while now that everyone I know has a story about someone in their circle being harmed by the clot shot.

If the numbers are 5% have a serious reaction that would be about right (since most people know 20 other people).

Sure this is anecdotal, but if the clot shot is "safe" in the same sense that say the childhood vaccines are, you would on average know no one harmed by it

Posted by: 18-1 at November 24, 2021 12:41 PM (ESjRY)

18
Also, according to the CDC, 769 thousand people have died from COVID in the US. Out of a population of 330 million, this puts the risk of dying of COVID at 0.23%.

___________

So, just like the Black Death.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 24, 2021 12:41 PM (/U27+)

19 It's full of numbers.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at November 24, 2021 12:41 PM (BPuaD)

20 Thanks for the breakdown of the poll. My little pea brain needs all the help it can get.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 24, 2021 12:41 PM (mD/uy)

21 Rasmussen is out today with a 2024 election poll.

Trump 45%

Brandon 32%

Posted by: JackStraw at November 24, 2021 12:41 PM (ZLI7S)

22 Well under his alias, because ya do know he worked for the CIA right?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 24, 2021 12:38 PM (Irn0L)


I liked that movie. But I like Sam Rockwell in general.

Posted by: Jordan61 at November 24, 2021 12:41 PM (Ez6QX)

23
Wasn't he that game show host to claimed to be an assassin for the CIA?

Or am I thinking of James Coburn, who was an assassin for the CIA?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, load and make ready at November 24, 2021 12:41 PM (V6f9+)

24 The Dems know that if Soc Sec was reformed to allow us to invest our own money that they'd get trounced in the senior vote

Posted by: Wally at November 24, 2021 12:42 PM (fhxSN)

25 So opposition to clot shot mandates is 55-40.

And yet the GOPe is still sitting on the sidelines which team Junta goes full speed ahead.

Sounds about right.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 24, 2021 12:42 PM (ESjRY)

26 I'm just hit and missing today.

Since I mentioned Billy Wilder in the last thread, here was one of his comments regarding Marilyn Monroe:

"I could hire my Aunt Effie and she would show up on time, know her lines and be perfect in every scene.

The problem is, no one would pay to see my Aunt Effie on screen."

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 24, 2021 12:42 PM (2JVJo)

27 It should surprise no one, that despite these risk factors, the main Karens in the country are Democrats. Mandates are very unpopular in the US. But over 60% of Democrats support mandates with employees being fired and severe fines for companies that don't comply.


Because they did it. They got the vaxx. You MUST get it to make THEM feel BETTER about their decision. Forced vindication and yet they ACTUALLY feel better about it, whether it harms them or not.

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Jackson Sparks at November 24, 2021 12:42 PM (Zz0t1)

28 21 Rasmussen is out today with a 2024 election poll.

Trump 45%

Brandon 32%
Posted by: JackStraw at November 24, 2021 12:41 PM (ZLI7S)

==========

45% isn't the greatest starting point for an incumbent...

Wait a second...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, holy crap, John Ford made a lot of movies in the 1930s at November 24, 2021 12:43 PM (3EWns)

29 Rasmussen is out today with a 2024 election poll.

Trump 45%

Brandon 32%
Posted by: JackStraw at November 24, 2021 12:41 PM (ZLI7S)



Heh.

Posted by: Dominion Voting Machines at November 24, 2021 12:43 PM (Zz0t1)

30 I still contend real voters out voted Sundowner in 2020, so that still holding true wouldn't surprise me.

Posted by: Skip's Phone at November 24, 2021 12:43 PM (bHEHY)

31 Out of a population of 330 million, this puts the risk of dying of COVID at 0.23%.

That presumes everyone's been exposed at this point...which is probably accurate based on what blood testing for antibody has been showing.

Though of course the 770K death number is highly suspect.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 24, 2021 12:43 PM (ESjRY)

32 Trump keeps alluding to the "stolen" election. If keeps prominently on that path, he loses.

You can tell he's being told to "stick to the issues", not the Twitter garbage and other extraneous garbage. But he just can't help himself.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 24, 2021 12:43 PM (VpIIl)

33 Rasmussen is out today with a 2024 election poll.

Trump 45%

Brandon 32%
Posted by: JackStraw at November 24, 2021 12:41 PM (ZLI7S)
........

I thought that guy on Beverly Hills 90210 was more popular than that.

Posted by: wth at November 24, 2021 12:43 PM (v0R5T)

34 You MUST get it to make THEM feel BETTER about their decision.

How dare you endanger me, after I got two shots plus a booster!

Posted by: Covid Karen! at November 24, 2021 12:44 PM (I2/tG)

35 The Gateway Pundit pegged the mortality rate for covid at .24% about three weeks in--April 2020. This, despite some questionable counting of the death rate, like including a lot of usual "flu" deaths, into the count.

Which tells you that the numbers were always there, and accessible.

Posted by: artemis at November 24, 2021 12:45 PM (AwPyG)

36 If you watch the FNM they tell you everyone hates Trump and everyone love Brandon.

Hmm...almost like they aren't being honest or something.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 24, 2021 12:45 PM (ESjRY)

37 A couple of things hurt Trump with the seniors--a) that group is more into TV as a source for news which has been overwhelmingly negative for Trump, and b) Boomers are replacing Silents as the Silents are dying out. From my memory, Boomers are more Democratic than Silents.

The idea of lockdowns, vaccine mandates, etc. also appeal more to elderly retirees who do not have to work or have kids in school and view Covid as a death sentence. So this could be a Republican/Democrat policy split--Republicans viewed as opening up and Dems viewed as closing down due to Covid.

Posted by: whig at November 24, 2021 12:45 PM (9hXN1)

38 Pretty soon spoiled milk will poll higher than Kamala if she keeps laughing.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 24, 2021 12:45 PM (sG88n)

39 Barris is a must watch 2x a week.

Posted by: garrett at November 24, 2021 12:45 PM (4/+ky)

40 You can tell he's being told to "stick to the issues", not the Twitter garbage and other extraneous garbage. But he just can't help himself.
Posted by: Marcus T


He got elected because of a one-track mind. And that track ended despite our best wishes.

DeathSantis has the ball.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 24, 2021 12:45 PM (1t5dY)

41 32 Trump keeps alluding to the "stolen" election. If keeps prominently on that path, he loses.

You can tell he's being told to "stick to the issues", not the Twitter garbage and other extraneous garbage. But he just can't help himself.
Posted by: Marcus T at November 24, 2021 12:43 PM (VpIIl)

=========

You keep saying it but it's wildly wrong. The stolen election, the election where America chose Trump but the elite foisted Biden, is the most important starting point for a conversation about Biden's administration, especially when it comes to a re-election argument.

"You didn't want this. They wanted to deny you your choice so badly that they gave you Biden, and what do we have for it? Crippling inflation? A disaster in Afghanistan? No borders? If you want to undo what they forced upon you, the first thing you have to do as a people is ensure election integrity, or else they'll just steal it again."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, holy crap, John Ford made a lot of movies in the 1930s at November 24, 2021 12:46 PM (3EWns)

42 Daily Beast editor and aspiring Cheka commissioner Molly Jong Fast asks you to report your relatives to the FBI this Thanksgiving

https://bit.ly/3DSZtri
Posted by: bonhomme

Now she's butthurt.

Molly Jong-Fast
@MollyJongFast
This was meant to be funny but now I'm being trolled by everyone from the right because they think I'm actually going to call the FBI on my relatives.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 24, 2021 12:46 PM (FVME7)

43 This, despite some questionable counting of the death rate, like including a lot of usual "flu" deaths, into the count.


Half the "hospitalized due to COVID" number turned out to actually be people diagnosed with COVID after being admitted to the hospital with something else.

My baseline assumption then is half the people that the government claimed died from COVID also actually died from something else with COVID.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 24, 2021 12:46 PM (ESjRY)

44 Anyone look into the media trying to pivot from Rittenhouse to Chrystul Kizer, a black woman who, as a child, shot and killed her white pimp/sex abuser?

Trying to say if Rittenhouse went free on self defense, she should too. Leaving out all the inconvenient details...she lived elsewhere, and went to his house with a gun, burned his house down (with his body in it) after shooting and killing him, stole his car to get away, but didn't go to the police. Just posted on social media and hung out with friends.

Other than that, though, identical. Will be interesting to see if this case gets the full MSM apology/misinformation tour.

Posted by: Grimmy at November 24, 2021 12:46 PM (Q93AK)

45 Hillary headed for a coughin'!

Benny @bennyjohnson; 4h
Looks like Hillary still has that pneumonia from 2016.

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/
1463500925818085380

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at November 24, 2021 12:47 PM (UHVv4)

46 My problem is, these numbers are about as locked-in as Biden's bowels.

My fellow Americans are terribly stupid and fickle.
No matter what, the Dems are going to fake up some sort of "victory" next summer that the media will trumpet as greater than D-Day.
And the public will eat it up.

Posted by: Lrrr at November 24, 2021 12:47 PM (IH5vN)

47 Dave what were Baris' final numbers on 2020, I mean his presidential polling? Somehow I never did see his final state-level predictions, esp. whether those in MI WI PA GA NV matched official results.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 24, 2021 12:47 PM (OTzUX)

48 Sorry OT and carry over from previous post: The Milwaukee DA is the one who let the SUV driver out on minimal bail and allowed the John Doe raids. The Waukesha DA handled court yesterday. Two different counties. One blue and one red.

Posted by: Mrs. JTB at November 24, 2021 12:47 PM (7EjX1)

49 2414 registered voters is a "strong" sample size?
Maybe compared to CNN.

lol

Posted by: Dr. Varno at November 24, 2021 12:48 PM (vuisn)

50 Trump keeps alluding to the "stolen" election. If keeps prominently on that path, he loses.

You can tell he's being told to "stick to the issues", not the Twitter garbage and other extraneous garbage. But he just can't help himself.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 24, 2021 12:43 PM (VpIIl)

YES!

Time to pivot to our ghey and tranny outreach!

Posted by: Ronna and the RNC! at November 24, 2021 12:48 PM (ox5kk)

51 Trump keeps alluding to the "stolen" election. If keeps prominently on that path, he loses.

This is why I strongly support DeSantis as the candidate. Relitigating the 2020 election as your main campaign issue is not the path to victory.

And although Trump was a great visionary, he was terrible at personnel decisions. Just his appointment of Jeff Sessions crippled his presidency - the idiot agreed to a special counsel. No Democrat AG would have been so stupid.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at November 24, 2021 12:49 PM (I2/tG)

52 I knew that Festivus featured a pole-didn't know that Thanksgiving did, too.

Posted by: First Son at November 24, 2021 12:49 PM (JPtHE)

53 Molly Jong-Fast needs to dine on a Nofucksgiven bag of dicks.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 24, 2021 12:49 PM (BFigT)

54 I have always considered pollsters in three groups-

Commercial organizations who make their money from consumer surveys, and have a strong incentive and organizational capability to get things right

Colleges no one would ever hear about (lookin' at you, Quim-pee-ack) who use this for publicity and Money

Politically aligned polling organizations

Posted by: Pixy Compliant Miklos at November 24, 2021 12:49 PM (QzkSJ)

55 Looks like Hillary still has that pneumonia from 2016.

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/
1463500925818085380
Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at November 24, 2021 12:47 PM (UHVv4)
........

She looks horrible. And does she still have that hole in her tongue?

Posted by: wth at November 24, 2021 12:49 PM (v0R5T)

56 "where it is very easy to get urban white women with graduate degrees"

Karen needs to be heard.

Anyone still believe the shot has zero long-term health effects?

Posted by: squid_hunt at November 24, 2021 12:50 PM (B0mGw)

57 I think the people who try to pretend this isn't Trump's movement are whistling Dixie.

Love him or hate him, he's the kingmaker.

Funny case in point: GOPe Jim Bognet, who's running again as an establishment spoiler candidate (backed by Liz Cheney) has photoshopped Trump into an ad with him, along with a pretend quote that Trump endorsed him.

Which

Posted by: artemis at November 24, 2021 12:51 PM (AwPyG)

58 How many dicks are there in a bag?

Posted by: Just Curious at November 24, 2021 12:51 PM (jYQlA)

59 Dear Karen,

Fuck you.

XOXO

Duke

Posted by: Duke Lowell at November 24, 2021 12:51 PM (kTF2Z)

60 Dave, you probably already said long ago, but is this your profession or a hobby? Your posts are always thoughtful and well reasoned, and leave me feeling a little more hopeful that people see through most of the BS, even if Democrat electoral fraud skews the results.

Posted by: Drink Like Vikings at November 24, 2021 12:51 PM (9rNlX)

61 Let's see the headlines...

Austrian army refused to enforce clot shot mandate.

Australian army send covid dissidents to literal concentration camps

And...Molly Jong making "a joke" about reporting people to the FBI for bad think.

Wow, that's some great humor.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 24, 2021 12:51 PM (ESjRY)

62 The election integrity thing is a mess, and a critical one.

Trump referring to a "stolen" election is not a loser approach, necessarily. More importantly, it's absolutely not established that an informed person can have any confidence in the official results.

In fact the main net impression, so far, is that our system, which is simply not set up to deal with what may well have happened, failed across the board.

There are gigantic billows of smoke rivaling those from the Krakatoa detonation, most here are familiar with them. The problem is that so far no investigation has been done to determine if there's fire underneath, or precisely how much and what kind, where.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 24, 2021 12:51 PM (OTzUX)

63 Which is hilarious--take a look and laugh.

Posted by: artemis at November 24, 2021 12:51 PM (AwPyG)

64 700,000+ deaths WITH Chi-Com Wu-Flu, not OF Chi-Com Wu-Flu. Kinda like 81 million ballots for Brandon, not 81 million votes.

Posted by: Greyman27 at November 24, 2021 12:51 PM (RKLPC)

65 5% severe reaction from getting the shot?

Doesn't that fall under the term Hobson's Choice?

Then again we in the military were forced to take the six shot Anthrax regime that had a 30% reaction rate before the company retooled. Afterwards the GAO found the reaction rate jumped to 70%.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 24, 2021 12:51 PM (sG88n)

66 Rich Baris.

Didn't he build the Batmobile, the Munsters car and the Monkees mobile?
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Jackson Sparks

Nah; he hosted the Gong Show !

Posted by: JT at November 24, 2021 12:51 PM (arJlL)

67 "Posted by: TheJamesMadison, holy crap, John Ford made a lot of movies in the 1930s at November 24, 2021 12:46 PM (3EWns) "

Get real. It polls terribly with just about every group. It's one thing to say you are for electoral integrity and point that out with material facts and changes that have been made- and why. It's completely another to say it was "stolen" and keep throwing that around like a personal grudge-punchline instead of a material issue.

The GOP should be working this issue, and is in some cases. But it's not enough and they are counting on state legislatures to do the heavy lifting.

People want to know how Trump, or the GOP is going to make their lives better and where they stand on the issues. Neither has done that to any considerable degree yet. I'll say it again, if Trump goes off on these meaningless distractions and seemingly narcissistic diversion, he loses. The man needs to be disciplined to win.

And to be clear, he runs, I am voting for him. But people like me are not enough to win.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 24, 2021 12:53 PM (VpIIl)

68 What is it with commies and "deprogramming"? I mean, it ain't deprogramming, it's brainwashing.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 24, 2021 12:53 PM (ynpvh)

69 >>"You didn't want this. They wanted to deny you your choice so badly that they gave you Biden, and what do we have for it? Crippling inflation? A disaster in Afghanistan? No borders? If you want to undo what they forced upon you, the first thing you have to do as a people is ensure election integrity, or else they'll just steal it again."

Could not agree more.

Unless he decides not to run Trump is the nominee. He's also pretty good at messaging and marketing.

If a bright light is not shined on the election process and things that happened in 2016 are allowed to happen again it doesn't much matter who the nominee is.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 24, 2021 12:53 PM (ZLI7S)

70 Everyone stops talking about a stolen election, it's forgotten and they will do it again.

Posted by: Skip's Phone at November 24, 2021 12:53 PM (bHEHY)

71 As of today, I'd vote for DeathSantis over DarthTrump in an R primary, but obviously I'd vote for either in a general election.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 24, 2021 12:54 PM (ESjRY)

72 Molly Jong-Fast obviously wants to be a camp commandant

Cambodia called, they missed you in the killing fields.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 24, 2021 12:54 PM (sG88n)

73 Barris is a must watch 2x a week.
Posted by: garrett

With Gene, Gene the Dancing Machine?

Posted by: Miklos sez Must Watch TV at November 24, 2021 12:54 PM (QzkSJ)

74 Everything VP Chucklehead has been tasked to resolve is classified.

Even the turkeys and giblets she's serving up need to be properly debriefed.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at November 24, 2021 12:54 PM (BPuaD)

75 Your chances of dying in a traffic circle are higher.
Posted by: wth at November 24, 2021 12:40 PM


I blame the mountains that come out of the sky and stand there.

Posted by: Yes at November 24, 2021 12:54 PM (EughT)

76 70 Everyone stops talking about a stolen election, it's forgotten and they will do it again.
Posted by: Skip's Phone at November 24, 2021 12:53 PM (bHEHY)

I have made it my mission not to.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 24, 2021 12:54 PM (s2VJv)

77 2020 not 2016

Posted by: JackStraw at November 24, 2021 12:54 PM (ZLI7S)

78 Curtis Houck
@CurtisHouck
CBS segment on #Thanksgiving suggests families have drinks and "hors d'oeuvres in the garage" while everyone takes a Covid rapid test and wait for the results before going inside: "You can make it playful, make it fun, and then be able to enjoy the holiday."

-
I know it's a little early for the airing of grievances but, dude.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 24, 2021 12:54 PM (FVME7)

79 GOP Preliminary Review of Racine County Voter Clerk Records:

Racine County:
- Over 23,000 voters registered using the same phone number.
- 4,120 people registered using the date 1/1/1918

Posted by: rhennigantx at November 24, 2021 12:54 PM (yrol0)

80 ? I mean, it ain't deprogramming, it's brainwashing.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 24, 2021 12:53 PM (ynpvh)

To them, civilization itself is "brainwashing" and you need to be enlightened into a state of soviet class consciousness.

Posted by: Bluto at November 24, 2021 12:55 PM (6FeV1)

81 Sock off

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 24, 2021 12:55 PM (6FeV1)

82 75 Your chances of dying in a traffic circle are higher.
Posted by: wth at November 24, 2021 12:40 PM

I blame the mountains that come out of the sky and stand there.
Posted by: Yes at November 24, 2021 12:54 PM (EughT)


24 before my love and I'll be there. . .

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 24, 2021 12:55 PM (s2VJv)

83 Everyone stops talking about a stolen election, it's forgotten and they will do it again.
Posted by: Skip's Phone

Steal it once, shame on you

Steal it twice, shame on us

Posted by: Miklos with Gomer Pyle Wisdom at November 24, 2021 12:55 PM (QzkSJ)

84 Trump keeps alluding to the "stolen" election. If keeps prominently on that path, he loses.
---
You keep going on about that.
But, what's the eye hole of the needle you see that 1) doesn't allude to the election being stolen, but 2) let's his supporters (who overwhelmingly believe it was) know he's still pissed and intends to revenge?

Because there is no "quit saying the election was stolen" retreat that doesn't dispirit the most loyal of his base.

Posted by: Lrrr at November 24, 2021 12:56 PM (IH5vN)

85 @41

Gotta love the people who think Trump doesn't make his own decisions.

It's all part of the "everybody hates the twitter/communicating directly to voters, which is why Trump lost 2020 by a landslide"

Pull the other one.

Posted by: artemis at November 24, 2021 12:56 PM (AwPyG)

86 So apparently there is now such a thing as "COVID toe"?

Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers' description of his experience with 'COVID toe' is medically referred to as pernio or chilblains, which is a side effect of the body's immune response to the virus, according to The Wall Street Journal

https://bit.ly/30UUSqf

So now they're reporting on side effects from COVID. Yet still not reporting on severe adverse side effects from the "vaccines".

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at November 24, 2021 12:56 PM (Do5/p)

87 67 The GOP should be working this issue, and is in some cases. But it's not enough and they are counting on state legislatures to do the heavy lifting.

People want to know how Trump, or the GOP is going to make their lives better and where they stand on the issues. Neither has done that to any considerable degree yet. I'll say it again, if Trump goes off on these meaningless distractions and seemingly narcissistic diversion, he loses. The man needs to be disciplined to win.

And to be clear, he runs, I am voting for him. But people like me are not enough to win.
Posted by: Marcus T at November 24, 2021 12:53 PM (VpIIl)

=========

"Things were great under me until Democrats stole that from you with the pandemic and the stolen election."

He's not arguing hypotheticals. He's arguing specifics and reality. Politics is about emotion, and, "Well, Biden just ran the better campaign last time. Oh well, we'll try again," doesn't inspire anything. "Biden stole your country from you for his own graft and to make you suffer for trying to hold yourselves up," is much better.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, holy crap, John Ford made a lot of movies in the 1930s at November 24, 2021 12:56 PM (3EWns)

88 How many dicks are there in a bag?

Posted by: Just Curious at November 24, 2021 12:51 PM (jYQlA)

Regular or family size?

Posted by: LMAO at November 24, 2021 12:56 PM (ox5kk)

89
Forced vindication and yet they ACTUALLY feel better about it, whether it harms them or not.
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Jackson Sparks at November 24, 2021 12:42 PM (Zz0t1)

_________

Same thing with masks. You're supposed to continue wearing them to show your concern for community safety. Except it's not my job to make you feel safer.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 24, 2021 12:56 PM (/U27+)

90 The Giuliani theory of the stolen election (which boiled down to urban ballot-harvesting and vote-counting shenanigans) might actually be helpful.

The Powell/Wood "Release the Kraken" theory... the less said about that the better.

Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at November 24, 2021 12:56 PM (sGnvY)

91 Has anyone polled Sivi Aberg and Milton DeLugg yet?

Posted by: First Son at November 24, 2021 12:56 PM (JPtHE)

92 Trump keeps alluding to the "stolen" election. If keeps prominently on that path, he loses.

One of the reasons Trump won is that he was willing to say, and keep saying, the things the media refuses to acknowledge, and give voice to the truths they want silenced. I don’t think that has changed.

That the election was stolen is an important truth. Where he loses is if he merely talks about it and doesn’t devise a counter to it happening again.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at November 24, 2021 12:56 PM (olroh)

93 Curtis Houck
@CurtisHouck
CBS segment on #Thanksgiving suggests families have drinks and "hors d'oeuvres in the garage" while everyone takes a Covid rapid test and wait for the results before going inside: "You can make it playful, make it fun, and then be able to enjoy the holiday."

-
I know it's a little early for the airing of grievances but, dude.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 24, 2021 12:54 PM (FVME7)


WOW

Posted by: Jordan61 at November 24, 2021 12:57 PM (Ez6QX)

94 By the way, Trump has an unbelievable list of accomplishments. There are so many truly historic events it's hard to keep count. Perhaps if Trump stuck to that last year, we would not be having this conversation- or suffering under this regime. There were too many distractions across the board, and not enough focus on important issues like electoral integrity. Ergo, the GOP took it in the keyster.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 24, 2021 12:57 PM (VpIIl)

95 So has the BFI been called on Molly Dong-Fest yet?

Posted by: Drink Like Vikings at November 24, 2021 12:57 PM (9rNlX)

96 test

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, holy crap, John Ford made a lot of movies in the 1930s at November 24, 2021 12:57 PM (3EWns)

97 @84

Not to mention the election was stolen.

In an almost absurdly clownish way.

Posted by: artemis at November 24, 2021 12:57 PM (AwPyG)

98 I'll be there. . .
Posted by: J.J. Sefton

I read that in a Sefton/Diana Ross podcast voice...

Posted by: Motown Miklos at November 24, 2021 12:57 PM (QzkSJ)

99 Biden "End of quote" video:

https://twitter.com/TrumpJew2/status/
1463231106715721736

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at November 24, 2021 12:57 PM (UHVv4)

100 > they think I'm actually going to call the FBI on my relatives.

Yes. I absolutely believe MJF would report her relatives to the FBI if they so much as quoted a Founding Father.

Posted by: bonhomme at November 24, 2021 12:57 PM (sG4Hj)

101 Sorry, I was late to the gratitude rant. Anyway, this program on Bob Russel's sermon about gratitude is something I listen to when I get really down

https://tinyurl.com/yxtnw4z5

Posted by: InCali at November 24, 2021 12:57 PM (ov5G+)

102 Because there is no "quit saying the election was stolen" retreat that doesn't dispirit the most loyal of his base.

I certainly think that it should be brought up.

It shouldn't be the primary issue that the Republican candidate runs on.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at November 24, 2021 12:58 PM (I2/tG)

103 Trump keeps alluding to the "stolen" election. If keeps prominently on that path, he loses.
---
You keep going on about that.
But, what's the eye hole of the needle you see that 1) doesn't allude to the election being stolen, but 2) let's his supporters (who overwhelmingly believe it was) know he's still pissed and intends to revenge?

Because there is no "quit saying the election was stolen" retreat that doesn't dispirit the most loyal of his base.
Posted by: Lrrr at November 24, 2021 12:56 PM (IH5vN)

Maybe I'm a fool, but that's the only issue that matters to me. Trump was robbed, so were all of us. ALL of us, all Americans. If Trump can't let it go....well, neither can I.

I'm not sure if I want him to run for age reasons, but that's another story.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, load and make ready at November 24, 2021 12:58 PM (V6f9+)

104 You can either take Baris' poll, or use it indirectly combined in the RCP average. Similarly, you can have a bowl of tapioca pudding or have it stirred in with ten gallons of shit.

Posted by: Dirks 'Three Scoops at November 24, 2021 12:58 PM (kfcYC)

105 In a vacuum, taking about a stolen election is foolish and smacks of sour grapes.

If the populace at large is slowly waking up to the fact that the election *was* stolen.... that's a different story.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 24, 2021 12:58 PM (6FeV1)

106 test
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

In Hungarian, "test" means "body"

Posted by: the judges accept this as content at November 24, 2021 12:58 PM (QzkSJ)

107 94 By the way, Trump has an unbelievable list of accomplishments. There are so many truly historic events it's hard to keep count. Perhaps if Trump stuck to that last year, we would not be having this conversation- or suffering under this regime. There were too many distractions across the board, and not enough focus on important issues like electoral integrity. Ergo, the GOP took it in the keyster.
Posted by: Marcus T at November 24, 2021 12:57 PM (VpIIl)

==========

Trump won the election, though.

That's why six states shut down counting in the middle of the night to ballot box stuff like Tammany Hall.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, holy crap, John Ford made a lot of movies in the 1930s at November 24, 2021 12:58 PM (3EWns)

108 These strong poll numbers might be why Allahpundit has an article up today "For cripes sake: Never Trumpers should not be rooting for Trump to run again". I can't decide which group is worse: the NeverTrumpers that don't want Trump to run, because they're RINOs, or the ones that want him to run, because they think he'll lose, and they can retake the party for RINOs (or because they're actually Democrats).

Posted by: Grimmy at November 24, 2021 12:58 PM (Q93AK)

109 How many dicks are there in a bag?
Posted by: Just Curious at November 24, 2021 12:51 PM (jYQlA)
Regular or family size?
Posted by: LMAO 

And are they graded like eggs or shrimp?

Regardless, prolly 15% less thanks to Brandon.

Posted by: Drink Like Vikings at November 24, 2021 12:58 PM (9rNlX)

110 There's a lot of suggestive evidence, some of it spectacular actually (the county in GA with obviously invalid duplicate ballots counted). But critically, so far, it's mostly still smoke - AZ's counted ballots don't match registrations that can be verified as real people, Braynard - in a matter of weeks, using only public info - found more invalid counted ballots in NV and GA than the official margins, of course no way to know which way those ballots "voted".

That the election could have been close enough to be stolen, even with large fraud, actually was a stunning indictment.

The horrible polling for Biden only darkens the picture further. What kind of idiot would vote for that vile non-entity, and then, child-like, be unhappy and surprised that his administration has delivered such idiocy and misery, so quickly? The kind that now more/less dominates life in what was once the USA.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 24, 2021 12:58 PM (OTzUX)

111 I noticed on my last gas bill the price per therm here in northern Illinois had jumped from 28 cents last November to 68 cents per therm this month; since it was still summer usage, not that noticeable an increase. But when winter kicks in....... hoo boy, even the brain-dead Karenwaffe are going to notice THAT one.

Posted by: William F 'Buck' Dharma at November 24, 2021 12:59 PM (0/qYZ)

112 Molly looks a lot like that lady they revealed as a crisis actor--the one who was a covid doctor on the msm shows, but was also a nurse on the front lines and also a research professor.

Maybe its just me.

Posted by: artemis at November 24, 2021 12:59 PM (AwPyG)

113 Trump keeps alluding to the "stolen" election. If keeps prominently on that path, he loses.

I respectfully disagree. The election was stolen, and every audit and lawsuit since then has increasingly proven it. I am not saying Teh Donald should make it the centerpoint of his campaign (frankly, he should steal Reagan's line about 'are you better off?'), but sweeping aside the blatant theft of 2020 - aided and abetted by an utterly corrupt MFM and a gutless GOP - as just 'average politics' lays the groundwork for handwaving away any future Democrat theft.

2020 was a stolen election. Biden and his tyrannical junta are illegitimate and resistance to them is the highest form of patriotism. Shout it loud, shout it proud and shove it down the left's throats until they choke.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 24, 2021 12:59 PM (2JVJo)

114 Shot.

The Associated Press
@AP
BREAKING: Sweden's parliament approves Magdalena Andersson as the country's first female prime minister, tapping the finance minister who recently became the new leader of the Social Democratic party.

-
Chaser.

AP Europe
@AP_Europe
BREAKING: Sweden's first female prime minister, Magdalena Andersson, has resigned hours after taking up the post. Andersson's party suffered a budget defeat in parliament and its coalition partner left the two-party minority government.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 24, 2021 12:59 PM (FVME7)

115 People want to know how Trump, or the GOP is going to make their lives better and where they stand on the issues.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 24, 2021 12:53 PM (VpIIl)

"Are you better off now than you were 4 years ago?"....some one used that in a campaign once.

Posted by: BignJames at November 24, 2021 01:00 PM (AwYPR)

116 It's how he says it that makes the rebuttal for idiots so easy. It's personalized and never related in real facts about what happened. That provides detractors the ability to completely ridicule the statement.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 24, 2021 01:00 PM (VpIIl)

117 This means that 9.4 million people have had a severe reaction that prevented daily activity.

I posted a link to a WHO chart of vaxx adverse events from 1968 to present. This included side effects of ALL vaccinations.

The COVID jab totalled 22 million or so. For one calendar year.

The next highest occurrence was around 60k...over a period of 53 years.

Posted by: kallisto at November 24, 2021 01:00 PM (DJFLF)

118 >>And to be clear, he runs, I am voting for him. But people like me are not enough to win.

I've yet to see a single Republican primary poll where Trump is not leading by significant double digits. In some he is leading his closest competitor which is usually DeSantis by over 20 points.

Show me another Republican who can announce a rally in East Overshoe, Iowa for a week later and have 30,000 people show up.

Trump has won the presidency twice. He certainly has the support to win it 3 times.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 24, 2021 01:00 PM (ZLI7S)

119 Biden at 36% popularity means most voters are open to the stolen election idea if not already know it to be true.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at November 24, 2021 01:00 PM (W+EKl)

120 I thought polling was when a barely clothed woman dances on and around a pole. Disappoint.

Posted by: Capital Eff believes #RonnaMustGo #McCarthyMustGo #McConnellMustGo at November 24, 2021 01:00 PM (DiVy8)

121 Molly Jong-Fast
@MollyJongFast
This was meant to be funny but now I'm being trolled by everyone from the right because they think I'm actually going to call the FBI on my relatives.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 24, 2021 12:46 PM


Funny? You keep using that word...I do not think it means what you think it means.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 24, 2021 01:00 PM (m+jkK)

122 Welp, wrote this assuming a different post would go up first, but this will do.

Posted by: Dave in Fla (fC3dn) at November 24, 2021 01:00 PM (5p7BC)

123 Daily Beast editor and aspiring Cheka commissioner Molly Jong Fast asks you to report your relatives to the FBI this Thanksgiving
==
today's Gospel reading (in pertinent part):

You will even be handed over by parents
brothers relatives and friends
and they will put some of you to death.
You will be hated by all because of my name,
but not a hair on your head will be destroyed.

Posted by: um'hmmm at November 24, 2021 01:01 PM (F20yD)

124 Dave in FLA question- what did he predict for 2020 election?

Posted by: runner at November 24, 2021 01:01 PM (p6BoR)

125 It shouldn't be the primary issue that the Republican candidate runs on.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at November 24, 2021 12:58 PM (I2/tG)

I think every negative bright against Biden should be tied back to the stolen election. This is what happens. All the shit. All the pain. All the suffering. This is what happens when you let pedophile death cults steal the levers of power. We ain't even looking for Mr. Perfect anymore, we're just holding out for "not in a pedophile death cult".

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 24, 2021 01:01 PM (6FeV1)

126 ""Are you better off now than you were 4 years ago?"....some one used that in a campaign once.

Posted by: BignJames at November 24, 2021 01:00 PM (AwYPR) "

No, and how will you change that, specifically?

In the end That's the question people want answered.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 24, 2021 01:01 PM (VpIIl)

127
People want to know how Trump, or the GOP is going to make their lives better and where they stand on the issues. Neither has done that to any considerable degree yet. I'll say it again, if Trump goes off on these meaningless distractions and seemingly narcissistic diversion, he loses. The man needs to be disciplined to win.

And to be clear, he runs, I am voting for him. But people like me are not enough to win.
Posted by: Marcus T at November 24, 2021 12:53 PM (VpIIl)


If Trump says everything you want him to say but then also includes one statement about the election being stolen you would show up who him about how Trump needs to stop talking about that and ignore everything else that he said.

Posted by: Buzzion at November 24, 2021 01:01 PM (fiH+I)

128
YES!

Time to pivot to our ghey and tranny outreach!
Posted by: Ronna and the RNC! at November 24, 2021 12:48 PM (ox5kk)

LMAO yep

Posted by: ... at November 24, 2021 01:01 PM (nLhZc)

129 from Bad Cattitude substack: Missouri court strikes down DHSS covid rules as unconstitutional and antithetical to liberty and just government, the article quotes the Court decision:

"This case is about whether Missouri's Department of Health and Senior Services regulations can abollish representative government in the creation f public health laws, ans whether it can authorize closure of a schol or assembly based on the unfettered op0inion of an unelected official. This Ciourt finds it cannot.
"

This decision also quotes Montesquieu:
"When the legislative and executive powers are united in the same person, or in the same body of magistrates, there can be no liberty; becuase apprehensions may arise, lest the same monarch or senate should enact tyrannical laws, to execute them in a tyrannical manner"

https://tinyurl.com/f8y3tw3d

Posted by: Kindltot at November 24, 2021 01:01 PM (P9T5R)

130 Molly Jeung Fast, telling Americans who have been here since before the country was founded "how to be Americans."

Posted by: sven at November 24, 2021 01:01 PM (Lzpvj)

131 Presidential and congress?

Posted by: runner at November 24, 2021 01:01 PM (p6BoR)

132 Maybe Cannibal Bob could be Sweden's next PM.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 24, 2021 01:01 PM (sG88n)

133 The source of weakness for Trump is in the 65+ subgroup.

--------------

This caught my eye and is sort of surprising. I suspect this is the GOP subset that doesn't like his tweeting. But this also seems like the easiest group for Trump to pick back up.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at November 24, 2021 01:01 PM (sX1BW)

134 ????

Trump's campaign was centered entirely around his accomplishments. What were the "distractions"?

Posted by: rhomboid at November 24, 2021 01:02 PM (OTzUX)

135 I can't type, I sound like Cloggenstein

Posted by: Kindltot at November 24, 2021 01:02 PM (P9T5R)

136 The Associated Press
@AP
BREAKING: Sweden's parliament approves Magdalena Andersson as the country's first female prime minister, tapping the finance minister who recently became the new leader of the Social Democratic party.


She was tapping the finance minister? No wonder she resigned.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 24, 2021 01:02 PM (m+jkK)

137 That's why six states shut down counting in the middle of the night to ballot box stuff like Tammany Hall.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison


>>>>>THIS<<<<<<

Posted by: Obvious to those who lucky enough to be called Miklos at November 24, 2021 01:02 PM (QzkSJ)

138 When Trump wins again in 2024 that will be three elections in a row. What more do you want from the man?

Posted by: ... at November 24, 2021 01:02 PM (nLhZc)

139 "I certainly think that it should be brought up.

It shouldn't be the primary issue that the Republican candidate runs on."


I dunno, I think one side committing treason is pretty important, as an issue.

I imagine that's a big impetus behind the numbers we're seeing.

Posted by: artemis at November 24, 2021 01:03 PM (AwPyG)

140 > BREAKING: Sweden's first female prime minister, Magdalena Andersson, has resigned hours after taking up the post. Andersson's party suffered a budget defeat in parliament and its coalition partner left the two-party minority government.

It's hilarious and I thank God I don't live there.

Posted by: bonhomme at November 24, 2021 01:03 PM (sG4Hj)

141 WTF? Trump is not identified with particular, and positive, policy issues? I must be on a different planet.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 24, 2021 01:03 PM (OTzUX)

142 Republicans and Independents are against mandates, with over 50% of both groups strongly against them. This shows the very authoritarian streak that runs through the Democrat party of today. Thankfully mandate support remains under 40% overall.

This admin may actually be skittish due to losing the all important "Independents"

Posted by: kallisto at November 24, 2021 01:04 PM (DJFLF)

143 I'll say it again, if Trump goes off on these meaningless distractions and seemingly narcissistic diversion, he loses.
***

What would be an example of a meaningless distraction or a narcissistic diversion?

Posted by: Ordinary American at November 24, 2021 01:04 PM (H8QX8)

144 @138

A lot of people think he should be made Speaker, if the House goes to Republicans in 2022. (Speaker doesn't have to be an elected representative.)

Can you imagine the hilarity?

Posted by: artemis at November 24, 2021 01:04 PM (AwPyG)

145 2020 was a stolen election. Biden and his tyrannical junta are illegitimate and resistance to them is the highest form of patriotism. Shout it loud, shout it proud and shove it down the left's throats until they choke.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 24, 2021 12:59 PM

Shout it, shout it, shout it out loud

Posted by: KISS at November 24, 2021 01:04 PM (Do5/p)

146 "tapping" doesn't mean the tapping we morons usually mean.

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at November 24, 2021 01:05 PM (UHVv4)

147 Now she's butthurt.

Molly Jong-Fast
@MollyJongFast
This was meant to be funny but now I'm being trolled by everyone from the right because they think I'm actually going to call the FBI on my relatives.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 24, 2021 12:46 PM (FVME7)



You brought that on yourself, dipshit.

DIAF.

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Jackson Sparks at November 24, 2021 01:05 PM (Zz0t1)

148 I can't type, I sound like Cloggenstein
Posted by: Kindltot

Mary is SO RIGHT!!!

And she sounds fine, her Special Friend Achmed says her accent in Pashtun is "good enough for a kaffir woman", whatever that means.

Posted by: Concerned Woman of Brattleboro at November 24, 2021 01:05 PM (QzkSJ)

149 Barris is a must watch 2x a week.
Posted by: garrett

Buzzr Gameshow Channel is absolute gold. Gene Rayburn is comedy gold. I also noticed that all the game shows from the 70's-80's used the same wardrobe company for gameshow hosts - Botany 500.

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at November 24, 2021 01:05 PM (CjHGv)

150 If Trump doesn't harp on the election being stolen (which it was), he gets painted as a "loser". Either you understand strategy or you do not.

Same reason Trump alluded to the size of his junk during a debate. Running against a woman, they were absolutely going to emasculate him eventually by talking about his small wiener. That is effective persuasion that there is ZERO rebuttal for against a woman. He got out in front because he is *smart*.

Posted by: ... at November 24, 2021 01:05 PM (nLhZc)

151 @141

Poor little trolls have a thankless errand!

Posted by: artemis at November 24, 2021 01:05 PM (AwPyG)

152 139 I dunno, I think one side committing treason is pretty important, as an issue.

I imagine that's a big impetus behind the numbers we're seeing.
Posted by: artemis at November 24, 2021 01:03 PM (AwPyG)

==========

It's one thing to believe a legitimate president is doing poorly. It's another to see a president you don't think should be there at all messing things up on purpose.

Biden is making no more friends as weeks pass, and he's just increasing his number of enemies. He's beholden to Leftist Twitter on literally everything he does, so he can never back down from outright communism and the worst excesses of social justice.

The counterpoint, "Biden shouldn't have been there at all because Democrats stole the election," is actually a great one because it animates people, highlighting the things they know are true but aren't allowed to say. The argument is that if Biden hadn't stolen the election, you'd be better off. So, don't let the next one get stolen.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, holy crap, John Ford made a lot of movies in the 1930s at November 24, 2021 01:05 PM (3EWns)

153 We should be thankful that Trump is Trump and not some manufactured puppet like Joey Bidet.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 24, 2021 01:05 PM (sG88n)

154 I dunno, I think one side committing treason is pretty important, as an issue.

I imagine that's a big impetus behind the numbers we're seeing.
Posted by: artemis at November 24, 2021 01:03 PM (AwPyG)

One of the major reasons we're all done with the GOP is their reliable studied ignorance of the enemy's malfeasance. There can't be any go along to get along when the ones you're trying to get along with want you dead.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 24, 2021 01:05 PM (6FeV1)

155 A couple of things hurt Trump with the seniors--a) that group is more into TV as a source for news which has been overwhelmingly negative for Trump, and b) Boomers are replacing Silents as the Silents are dying out. From my memory, Boomers are more Democratic than Silents.

The idea of lockdowns, vaccine mandates, etc. also appeal more to elderly retirees who do not have to work or have kids in school and view Covid as a death sentence. So this could be a Republican/Democrat policy split--Republicans viewed as opening up and Dems viewed as closing down due to Covid.

-----------------

All these are true. Boomers are still the voting block that matters, so getting them on board is big for Trump. I'd say the Boomers have 2-3 more presidential election cycles before their influence wanes. They will not go silently into that good night.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at November 24, 2021 01:06 PM (sX1BW)

156 #93 Gosh; That sounds like a good time.Drinks and canapés in my unheated garage which is filled with a lot of books while we all get rapid Covid testing. That could almost be a parody. Thankfully that's not happening at my house as nobody attending dinner or dessert is some Covid crazed leftist loon.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 24, 2021 01:06 PM (poMoX)

157 I will point out, yet again, that when jackstraw or dave in fla show up, so do the trolls.

Posted by: artemis at November 24, 2021 01:06 PM (AwPyG)

158 Trump keeps alluding to the "stolen" election. If keeps prominently on that path, he loses.
-----
You keep going on about that.
-----
Marcus T was going on a month ago about how hopeless Virginia was. A week after the election route he was back to yowling about how pointless voting in general is. I don't know anything about the guy, but my money is on him being a GOP officer of some capacity.

Posted by: squid_hunt at November 24, 2021 01:06 PM (B0mGw)

159 88 How many dicks are there in a bag?

Posted by: Just Curious at November 24, 2021 12:51 PM (jYQlA)


same as in gown

Posted by: REDACTED at November 24, 2021 01:06 PM (us2H3)

160 I've noticed that even though all those other 'polls' got it 'wrong', they never get fired. That tells me that they're not getting it 'wrong' for their real clients. One thing's for sure, those clients aren't us.
===
Harumpf.

Posted by: Chris Stirewalt at November 24, 2021 01:06 PM (I0Mw6)

161 Some serious polling

https://tinyurl.com/pr6xx93s

Posted by: Capital Eff believes #RonnaMustGo #McCarthyMustGo #McConnellMustGo at November 24, 2021 01:07 PM (DiVy8)

162 You brought that on yourself, dipshit.

DIAF.
Posted by: Sponge

FUN FACT

I have written for the New York Times.

I have never been trolled, or even really criticized.

Weird.

Posted by: Reformed Miklos at November 24, 2021 01:07 PM (QzkSJ)

163 The Baris Thanksgiving Poll [Dave in Fla]


REEEEE!! Truth is crossing state lines!

Posted by: t-bird at November 24, 2021 01:07 PM (CTJwJ)

164 People want to know how Trump, or the GOP is going to make their lives better and where they stand on the issues. 
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Oh lord, really?
The only way this could be any more GOPe "let's sucker them empty words" is if it added, "like a pathway to citizenship to bring the illegals in from the shadows."

Posted by: Lrrr at November 24, 2021 01:07 PM (IH5vN)

165 "This was meant to be funny."

No it wasn't. You were dead serious.

Posted by: Ordinary American at November 24, 2021 01:07 PM (H8QX8)

166 141 WTF? Trump is not identified with particular, and positive, policy issues? I must be on a different planet.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 24, 2021 01:03 PM (OTzUX)

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Add in we all lived through the Trump years and Biden years and everyone knows he difference.

The question isn't "were you better off four years ago" but "were you better off under Biden or Trump".

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at November 24, 2021 01:07 PM (W+EKl)

167 I have written for the New York Times.

I have never been trolled, or even really criticized.

Weird.
Posted by: Reformed Miklos at November 24, 2021 01:07 PM (QzkSJ)

Everyone's afraid to tease the slavs.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, load and make ready at November 24, 2021 01:08 PM (V6f9+)

168 88 How many dicks are there in a bag?

Twice as many as in a bushel.

Posted by: Capital Eff believes #RonnaMustGo #McCarthyMustGo #McConnellMustGo at November 24, 2021 01:08 PM (DiVy8)

169 Covid toe? I might have had that. Or gout. Probably both.

Posted by: f'd at November 24, 2021 01:08 PM (Tnijr)

170 80 ? I mean, it ain't deprogramming, it's brainwashing.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 24, 2021 12:53 PM (ynpvh)

To them, civilization itself is "brainwashing" and you need to be enlightened into a state of soviet class consciousness.

Posted by: Bluto at November 24, 2021 12:55 PM (6FeV1)

How "soviet" is saying someone with a dick is a girl if they say they are? That's just crazy talk. I guess I'm in "need" of some of that deprogramming that nature and nature's God endowed me with.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 24, 2021 01:08 PM (ynpvh)

171 45 Hillary headed for a coughin'!
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Did you mean coffin?

Posted by: Puddin Head at November 24, 2021 01:08 PM (OTXUv)

172 Marcus T was going on a month ago about how hopeless Virginia was. A week after the election route he was back to yowling about how pointless voting in general is. I don't know anything about the guy, but my money is on him being a GOP officer of some capacity.
Posted by: squid_hunt at November 24, 2021 01:06 PM (B0mGw)

I'll defend Marcus. He's been here a while, he's a man of the gun, so part of my tribe.
Opinions vary.
I've been wrong about stuff too, very wrong.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, load and make ready at November 24, 2021 01:09 PM (V6f9+)

173 And so long as the election remains uninvestigated, down to the nibs, to the level where something concrete and particular can be documented, referring to the "stolen election" is effectively another Dolchstosslegende, a core myth uniting one side but alienating them from the everyone else.

The "smoke" - key states shutting down for the first time in history, election results varying in unprecedented fashion between battleground metros and others, or between entire states and select dominant metros (WI), every historical pattern being violated (bellwether counties), crude and outrageous Third World fraud-ish behavior at counting centers (PA and MI and NV), suggestive concrete tidbits like the GA county with the laughably fraudulent duplicate ballots - as I said, is enormous.

The country needs the fire to be documented or disproven. But only serious people, and a few Trump voters, want this to happen. The sloppy US presidential election system finally failed, all institutions and safeguards failed. But of course most just want to "move on", as though that makes any sense.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 24, 2021 01:09 PM (OTzUX)

174 172 I've been wrong about stuff too, very wrong.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, load and make ready at November 24, 2021 01:09 PM (V6f9+)

==========

*considers mentioning Prometheus*

*thinks better of mentioning Prometheus and does not mention Prometheus*

*does own part to keep thread Prometheus free*

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, holy crap, John Ford made a lot of movies in the 1930s at November 24, 2021 01:09 PM (3EWns)

175 A lot of people think he should be made Speaker, if the House goes to Republicans in 2022. (Speaker doesn't have to be an elected representative.)

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Tradition is important and we conservatives are big on tradition, but I would not mind the GOP trying something unique with respect to the Speaker. Not Trump per se, but I could potentially see some benefits. Will never happen of course, but would be interesting to see how it would play out.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at November 24, 2021 01:09 PM (sX1BW)

176 How many dicks are there in a bag?
........

The family size has 25% more.

Posted by: wth at November 24, 2021 01:09 PM (v0R5T)

177 171 45 Hillary headed for a coughin'!
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Did you mean coffin?

Posted by: Puddin Head at November 24, 2021 01:08 PM (OTXUv)

Coughin' can lead to a coffin.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 24, 2021 01:09 PM (ynpvh)

178 88 How many dicks are there in a bag?

Twice as many as in a bushel.

Posted by: Capital Eff believes #RonnaMustGo #McCarthyMustGo #McConnellMustGo at November 24, 2021 01:08 PM (DiVy

Way back when there was almost an entire thread dedicated to a back of dicks. Quantity, weight, tare weight etc.

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at November 24, 2021 01:10 PM (CjHGv)

179 "Everyone's afraid to tease the slavs."

Zactky. Melania looks like she carries a blade in her boot.

Posted by: artemis at November 24, 2021 01:10 PM (AwPyG)

180 Good article in the Federalist by Margot Cleveland today about the Georgia election corruption and Kemp finally help expose it.

Trump will talk about issues such as inflation, the border, fossil fuels, etc. but I don't there are all that many who are confused on where he stands on any of them. But I am as enraged and motivated about the stolen election as I am about any other issue and if the election wasn't stolen none of those issues would even be on the table.

https://tinyurl.com/dwpxc2xn

Posted by: JackStraw at November 24, 2021 01:10 PM (ZLI7S)

181
But PredictIt has Biden up by 20%!!!!!

*RIP Intrade*

Posted by: In before the troll at November 24, 2021 01:10 PM (n+4am)

182 TO put the at least 27,000 fake voters in Racine County in perspective:

PDT 1,610,184
JOE 1,630,866



Posted by: rhennigantx at November 24, 2021 01:10 PM (yrol0)

183 "This does not include people who have died from the vaccine, since they aren't answering polls."

THAT is the best line of the article. And thanks for introducing me to Baris.

Posted by: ZilWerks at November 24, 2021 01:10 PM (0MpOC)

184 133 SH said, 'The source of weakness for Trump is in the 65+ subgroup.'

Two things, Boomer replacement of Silents--Boomers are more Democratic as are their chirren--Millennials. Covid policies would be a second reason.

However, if a huge inflationary wave on basic food products etc. becomes entrenched, retirees are most at risk especially if the stock market stagnates along with other fixed assets as happened in the 70's--stagflation is a real thing. So that might change things a bit.

Posted by: whig at November 24, 2021 01:11 PM (9hXN1)

185 Hillary headed for a coughin'!
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Did you mean coffin?

Posted by: Puddin Head at November 24, 2021 01:08 PM (OTXUv)

Coughin' can lead to a coffin.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 24, 2021 01:09 PM


"It isn't the cough that carries you off, it's the coffin they carry you off in."

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 24, 2021 01:11 PM (m+jkK)

186 The next GOP Speaker will be a bought and paid for cocksuckling POS go along to get along stooge. At BEST.

Posted by: ... at November 24, 2021 01:11 PM (nLhZc)

187 @174

You're a good man, TJM

Posted by: artemis at November 24, 2021 01:11 PM (AwPyG)

188 Marcus T was going on a month ago about how hopeless Virginia was. A week after the election route he was back to yowling about how pointless voting in general is. I don't know anything about the guy, but my money is on him being a GOP officer of some capacity.
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Maybe, but there are people here of the same mindset who aren't GOP officers. They probably just identify socially with those who think they are above "the short fingered vulgarian of mean tweets", yet don't want full on communism.

At the end of the day. There is only the uniparty/deepstate. And if you can't break that, you can't FIX anything.

You gotta demo the thing first. Trump knows that. Most Country Club Republicans don't want the mess. They just want to slap some paint on the walls, and flip the house.

Same thing over and over and over again.

Posted by: Get it? at November 24, 2021 01:11 PM (j5s3r)

189 176 How many dicks are there in a bag?
........

The family size has 25% more.

Posted by: wth at November 24, 2021 01:09 PM (v0R5T)

In Vietnam, you can get 22,700 dong to the dollar. How many bag's worth, I don't know.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 24, 2021 01:11 PM (ynpvh)

190 Now she's butthurt.

Molly Jong-Fast
@MollyJongFast
This was meant to be funny but now I'm being trolled by everyone from the right because they think I'm actually going to call the FBI on my relatives.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks

Speaking of butthurt, maybe she can do us all a favor and sit on a chainsaw. Just the tip, to see if she likes it

Posted by: Drink Like Vikings at November 24, 2021 01:11 PM (9rNlX)

191 New York moves to allow 800,000 nonciticens to vote in local elections
NYC will become the largest municipality in the country yo allow legal residents to vote if the legislation is approved as expected in December.

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at November 24, 2021 01:12 PM (UHVv4)

192 Gosh; That sounds like a good time.Drinks and canapes in my unheated garage which is filled with a lot of books while we all get rapid Covid testing. That could almost be a parody. Thankfully that's not happening at my house as nobody attending dinner or dessert is some Covid crazed leftist loon.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 24, 2021 01:06 PM (poMoX)


I would love to see the reaction if someone comes up positive.

Posted by: Jordan61 at November 24, 2021 01:12 PM (Ez6QX)

193 I understand Trump's weakness with 65+ from watching my mom. She's very philosophically consevative but trusts the Big Three news networks implicitly and get all of her news from them.

For example - years ago she told me Trump was an anti-semite. "His daughter married a Jew, who is one of his advisors" I said. "Oh." She said. She'd never heard that.

She's also very swayed by mean-looking pictures of candidates.

Posted by: 29Victor at November 24, 2021 01:12 PM (BJKQV)

194 The counterpoint, "Biden shouldn't have been there at all because Democrats stole the election," is actually a great one because it animates people, highlighting the things they know are true but aren't allowed to say. The argument is that if Biden hadn't stolen the election, you'd be better off. So, don't let the next one get stolen.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, holy crap, John Ford made a lot of movies in the 1930s at November 24, 2021 01:05 PM (3EWns)

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EXACTLY!

It's probably he best winning argument for a campaign in American history.

Thanks for putting it so succinctly.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at November 24, 2021 01:12 PM (W+EKl)

195 186 The next GOP Speaker will be a bought and paid for cocksuckling POS go along to get along stooge. At BEST.

I don't know if Steve Scalise will accept the position.

Posted by: Capital Eff believes #RonnaMustGo #McCarthyMustGo #McConnellMustGo at November 24, 2021 01:12 PM (DiVy8)

196 "noncitizens"

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at November 24, 2021 01:12 PM (UHVv4)

197 In Vietnam, you can get 22,700 dong to the dollar. How many bag's worth, I don't know.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 24, 2021 01:11 PM (ynpvh)

The Dollar Store Bag O Dicks now a buck 25!

Posted by: rhennigantx at November 24, 2021 01:12 PM (yrol0)

198 I am reminded by Molly that Amanda Marcotte wrote a book called Troll Nation and how Trump worshiping right-wingers ratf*cked Liberals.

This is the delusional utopia these people live in. It defines their thinking, world view, and identity.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 24, 2021 01:12 PM (sG88n)

199 In Vietnam, you can get 22,700 dong to the dollar. How many bag's worth, I don't know.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 24, 2021 01:11 PM (ynpvh)

I wish the symbol for dong was a cartoon dick'n'balls with two horizontal lines through it

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 24, 2021 01:12 PM (6FeV1)

200 Two things, Boomer replacement of Silents--Boomers are more Democratic as are their chirren--Millennials.

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The millennial child influence over the Boomer is an amazing thing to witness.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at November 24, 2021 01:12 PM (sX1BW)

201 This does not include people who have died from the vaccine, since they aren't answering polls.

At least they're still voting, so that's good.

Posted by: Sir Shitsalot at November 24, 2021 01:12 PM (2nFxy)

202 The source of weakness for Trump is in the 65+ subgroup.'
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Hippies suck.

Posted by: Get it? at November 24, 2021 01:12 PM (211wf)

203 "I'll defend Marcus. He's been here a while, Opinions vary. I've been wrong about stuff too, very wrong."

I can respect different opinions. I can't respect what amounts to a consistent demoralizing message that we should all give up and go home or support the GOPe platform. We already know what the Bush's, McCain's, and Romney's are offering.

Posted by: squid_hunt at November 24, 2021 01:13 PM (B0mGw)

204 Noncitizens=foreign nationals.

Think about how absurd that is, to allow foreign nationals to vote in our elections--and in large numbers.

Posted by: artemis at November 24, 2021 01:13 PM (AwPyG)

205 The next GOP Speaker is going to be a Boehner Ryan acolyte from the shithole California. The dumbasses are going to pick McCarthy, barring a major scandal which won't happen because the democrats are fine with republicans getting "their turn" with a quisling like him at the helm knowing nothing they've done will be undone.

Posted by: Buzzion at November 24, 2021 01:13 PM (fiH+I)

206 200. Mine still come to me for advice, so this varies

Posted by: CN at November 24, 2021 01:13 PM (ONvIw)

207 I've been wrong about stuff too, very wrong.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, load and make ready at November 24, 2021 01:09 PM (V6f9+)



I seem to study The Book of Wrong........

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Jackson Sparks at November 24, 2021 01:14 PM (Zz0t1)

208 "You didn't want this. They wanted to deny you your choice so badly that they gave you Biden, and what do we have for it? Crippling inflation? A disaster in Afghanistan? No borders? If you want to undo what they forced upon you, the first thing you have to do as a people is ensure election integrity, or else they'll just steal it again."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, holy crap, John Ford made a lot of movies in the 1930s at November 24, 2021 12:46 PM

Not to mention, what did they do to you after you dared to protest it? They arrested you, some of you had the FBI track you down to question you, some of you were thrown in prison and tortured. The rest of you were forced to submit to a shot or lose your jobs. They stole your right to vote, they stole your freedom and they stole your jobs. That is just the tip of the iceberg if you let them remain in power.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at November 24, 2021 01:14 PM (Do5/p)

209 In Vietnam, you can get 22,700 dong to the dollar. How many bag's worth, I don't know.
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They are smaller than Vienna Sausages.

Posted by: Puddin Head at November 24, 2021 01:14 PM (OTXUv)

210 This means that 9.4 million people have had a severe reaction that prevented daily activity.

Thank God. That means it's working, folks!

Posted by: The CDC at November 24, 2021 01:14 PM (2nFxy)

211 A lot of people think he should be made Speaker, if the House goes to Republicans in 2022. (Speaker doesn't have to be an elected representative.)

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Trump could write some amusing Supreme Court opinions.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 24, 2021 01:14 PM (FVME7)

212 It would be horrible if Molly Jong-Fisting were to choke on a Turkey bone.

Posted by: Jak Sucio at November 24, 2021 01:14 PM (xZOYw)

213 @194

Yes, exactly.

Posted by: artemis at November 24, 2021 01:15 PM (AwPyG)

214 Dave what were Baris' final numbers on 2020, I mean his presidential polling? Somehow I never did see his final state-level predictions, esp. whether those in MI WI PA GA NV matched official results.
Posted by: rhomboid
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He didn't do national polling in 2020. He focused on states only. He was dead right on WI, NC, PA, TX, and FL. He missed on AZ by 2 points, but is suspicious of those results because of the audit results.

Posted by: Dave in Fla (fC3dn) at November 24, 2021 01:15 PM (5p7BC)

215 I would report dog shit to the FBI, then invite them to dine on it.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at November 24, 2021 01:15 PM (eJn7u)

216 Now she's butthurt.

Molly Jong-Fast
@MollyJongFast
This was meant to be funny but now I'm being trolled by everyone from the right because they think I'm actually going to call the FBI on my relatives.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks


Because you're not funny Molly. And you have actually advocated for shit like this and even worse for real.

Posted by: Buzzion at November 24, 2021 01:15 PM (fiH+I)

217 Thanks for the analysis. Baris is the one I was watching on Election night 2020 (sorry for bringing that memory back) and leading up to it. I just signed up for an annual membership to support the great work. Covid data is really interesting...wonder why no other pollster thought to do something like this. Wait a minute, no I don't. That's why I needed to support People's Pundit.

Posted by: Mad Max in VA at November 24, 2021 01:15 PM (H/wdc)

218 If Marcus is a troll, then heaven help anyone that has a different opinion, posts a comment and sticks to it.

Horde mind is going to slide on the slippery slope to hive mind.

Posted by: old chick at November 24, 2021 01:15 PM (sOete)

219 I can respect different opinions. I can't respect what amounts to a consistent demoralizing message that we should all give up and go home or support the GOPe platform. We already know what the Bush's, McCain's, and Romney's are offering.
Posted by: squid_hunt at November 24, 2021 01:13 PM (B0mGw)

It seems to me just more of what we heard when Trump first ran and every time he went off script pearls were clutched and people shrieked "there goes the independent vote!" and then Trump won in a near-landslide.

Posted by: Ordinary American at November 24, 2021 01:15 PM (H8QX8)

220 197 In Vietnam, you can get 22,700 dong to the dollar. How many bag's worth, I don't know.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 24, 2021 01:11 PM (ynpvh)

The Dollar Store Bag O Dicks now a buck 25!

Posted by: rhennigantx at November 24, 2021 01:12 PM (yrol0)

Congressional Investigation on why Dollar Tree is selling bags of dicks for 10 bits, when 1000 dong cost 4.4 cents.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 24, 2021 01:15 PM (ynpvh)

221 204. Not so long ago the NYT was push for the whole world to vote in US presidential elections

Posted by: CN at November 24, 2021 01:15 PM (ONvIw)

222 I've been right about a lot of stuff but boy howdy did I think Trump's lead was too big to cheat away.

Although I did get scared in the months leading to the election as every single court case in every single state that mattered seemed to go against us.

Posted by: ... at November 24, 2021 01:16 PM (nLhZc)

223 If the 65+ crowd won't vote Trump, then send them to Cuomos Commie Coff Concentration Camps

Posted by: Regular joe at November 24, 2021 01:16 PM (L9P9s)

224 The Dollar Store Bag O Dicks now a buck 25!
Posted by: rhennigantx at November 24, 2021 01:12 PM (yrol0)
........

That sounds like they are inflated.

Posted by: wth at November 24, 2021 01:16 PM (v0R5T)

225 159 88 How many dicks are there in a bag?
Posted by: Just Curious at November 24, 2021 12:51 PM (jYQlA)

same as in gown
Posted by: REDACTED at November 24, 2021 01:06 PM (us2H3)

There's only one dick in this gown, but now that you mention it, why not add another one or two?

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at November 24, 2021 01:16 PM (Q93AK)

226 She's also very swayed by mean-looking pictures of candidates.
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TBF so is Joe Biden.

Its not like he's doing much critical thinking, or independent information gathering. He really hasn't made a decision that wasn't dictated to him by third parties for quite some time. Once you are conditioned to obey, its hard to break the habit.

Posted by: Get it? at November 24, 2021 01:16 PM (I0Mw6)

227 I'm thinking that by the time the next elections come around the pain felt by most will be the decider. Maybe we had to go through a Biden to get our heads right and ensure the integrity of elections. Then again, maybe not. I pray.

Posted by: Cheri at November 24, 2021 01:16 PM (oiNtH)

228 I can respect different opinions. I can't respect what amounts to a consistent demoralizing message that we should all give up and go home or support the GOPe platform. We already know what the Bush's, McCain's, and Romney's are offering.
Posted by: squid_hunt at November 24, 2021 01:13 PM (B0mGw)

Not to speak for him, but I take his comments on a desire for a different message or strategy for Trump. I disagree there but I don't think he's a blackpill or anything.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, load and make ready at November 24, 2021 01:16 PM (V6f9+)

229 My husband and daughter, both of whom *probably* had Covid a year ago (daughter worked full time in retail and we had covid in the house so how she could have not had it, I don't know, no symptoms or positive test though) and both missed a day of work after their second shot last spring.

My father has a bad reaction and is now in rehab and we hope it will all be better, but it's unclear if this is a covid reaction or a vaccine reaction but they're saying vaccine reaction but he got covid right after his second shot.

Posted by: Synova at November 24, 2021 01:16 PM (BD/yx)

230 The take on the 2020 elections is one of those things hard to predict the effect on 2024. If Biden continues to wander around in a leftist direction with ensuing damage to the US, then all bad things will stick to him including the election of 2020.

Plus, the number of people believing the election of 2020 was shady is about 50 percent or more recently so people (other than Dem ideologues), do change their perceptions as more information comes to light.

Is it by itself a winning message, no-but a simple comparison of are you better off than you were in 2020 is pretty devastating to the incumbent under current conditions.

Way too early to tell. The truth on appointments is that GOPe in the Senate and former Bush admin retreads ARE not conservative and that includes McConnell. They are as Con Inc. Media is--conservative on the outside, left leaning grifters on the inside.

Posted by: whig at November 24, 2021 01:17 PM (9hXN1)

231 2414 registered voters is a "strong" sample size?
Maybe compared to CNN.

lol
Posted by: Dr. Varno
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Double what is needed to get to a 95% confidence level. Rassmussen does 2500, everyone else does 1200.

So yes, it is a strong sample.

Posted by: Dave in Fla (fC3dn) at November 24, 2021 01:17 PM (5p7BC)

232 With my Dad's bad reaction I'm ever more reluctant to get the vaccine after all, we have the same genetics.

Posted by: Synova at November 24, 2021 01:17 PM (BD/yx)

233 Dave in FL, thank you for the analysis. As for 65 and older, my best guess is, if it's PDT versus Kamala or Joe, they either vote PDT or stay home.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at November 24, 2021 01:17 PM (/luV5)

234 "people shrieked there goes the independent vote! and then Trump won in a near-landslide."

Exactly my point. And I won't pretend Trump doesn't have an uphill battle, but the tide is already turning. If you're going to sit it out again because of mean tweets, then you're not on our side.

Posted by: squid_hunt at November 24, 2021 01:17 PM (B0mGw)

235 I'd be curious to know how Baris' 2020 data differed from observed results. And where.

Posted by: SMFH at November 24, 2021 01:17 PM (u/7wY)

236 Think about how absurd that is, to allow foreign nationals to vote in our elections--and in large numbers.

We haven't reached the height of absurdity yet.

"Reason for absentee ballot: I don't live there..."

Posted by: t-bird at November 24, 2021 01:18 PM (1vynn)

237 231 2414 registered voters is a "strong" sample size?
Maybe compared to CNN.

lol
Posted by: Dr. Varno
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Double what is needed to get to a 95% confidence level. Rassmussen does 2500, everyone else does 1200.

So yes, it is a strong sample.

Posted by: Dave in Fla (fC3dn) at November 24, 2021 01:17 PM (5p7BC)

Some polls I've seen are so dem-biased they might as well be called stool samples.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 24, 2021 01:18 PM (ynpvh)

238 Molly had to back-track the same way Fauci did when he started saying we shouldn't celebrate Christmas.

People aren't buying their message anymore.

Posted by: artemis at November 24, 2021 01:18 PM (AwPyG)

239 We have an elderly friend who got COPD after his vax. He was in the hospital for quite some time and we thought he was going to diem. Since then he is confined to a wheelchair and on high levels of oxygen.

My boys have an 19 year old friend who had such a bad reacrion to the first shot that his doctor told him not to get the second.

Posted by: 29Victor at November 24, 2021 01:18 PM (BJKQV)

240 Paul Joseph Watson @PrisonPlanet; 6h
A former professional Premier League footballer has called for an investigation after yet another player suddenly collapsed in the middle of a match last night.
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Another soccer clot-shot-related [?] event in the UK/Europe. Sock link for report.

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at November 24, 2021 01:18 PM (UHVv4)

241 "I can respect different opinions. I can't respect what amounts to a consistent demoralizing message that we should all give up and go home or support the GOPe platform. We already know what the Bush's, McCain's, and Romney's are offering. "

Oh, bullshit. Nobody is trying to demoralize anyone. What does that is garbage like "the election was stolen and they're going to do it again. So don't vote".

What I am saying is that reasonable people are tired of the pummeling. They want to know what you are going to do, an how you are going to do it. How are you actually working on preventing election fraud and what's our role in that?

Trump has a lot of specifics he can fall back on, real world examples that actually tell the story. What I am saying is stick to it and leave all the other hijinx behind. Hot them hard- with facts and realities, what works and what clearly does not. What will make everyone's life better, and what has crushed them. That's it.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 24, 2021 01:18 PM (VpIIl)

242 " I don't think he's a blackpill or anything."

Me either. I can accept black pill more than deliberate undermining.

Posted by: squid_hunt at November 24, 2021 01:18 PM (B0mGw)

243 MarcusT is not a troll. He's got his opinions, expresses them and stands behind them. You're free to agree or disagree. But, flopping the troll card because you don't like his opinion isn't his problem.....

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Jackson Sparks at November 24, 2021 01:19 PM (Zz0t1)

244 IS THAT UPDATE A REAL THING? JFC

Posted by: vmom - link to Red's fundraiser at November 24, 2021 01:19 PM (tmAZA)

245 I've been wrong about stuff too, very wrong.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, load and make ready at November 24, 2021 01:09 PM (V6f9+)
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*considers mentioning Prometheus*
*thinks better of mentioning Prometheus and does not mention Prometheus*
*does own part to keep thread Prometheus free*
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, holy crap, John Ford made a lot of movies in the 1930s at November 24, 2021 01:09 PM (3EWns)

I'm NOT wrong about Prometheus being a terrible movie, however.

*Shakes fist back*

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, load and make ready at November 24, 2021 01:19 PM (V6f9+)

246 My boys have an 19 year old friend who had such a bad reacrion to the first shot that his doctor told him not to get the second.
Posted by: 29Victor at November 24, 2021 01:18 PM (BJKQV)

For which I'm sure he was promptly reported to the Stasi

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Sexual Racist. at November 24, 2021 01:19 PM (II3Gr)

247 "The source of weakness for Trump is in the 65+ subgroup. While generic Republican wins the seniors 6 points, Trump barely breaks even."

Most that I know in this age group are completely unreachable; they live in a universe where the nice man on the TV tells them what's happening and who the bad guys are.

I'd love to have $5 for every time I heard someone say some variation of "that can't be true, it would be on the news"

None of my friends have any patience left for the W's, Romneys, Ryans, or McCains. They'd rather vote straight Dem and stomp on the gas; the idea being that we've reached the point of diminishing returns for waking people up, and the longer we put this off the worse a position we'll be in for the big Thunderdome portion - in no small part due to the efforts of GOPe traitors.

Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at November 24, 2021 01:19 PM (CtltA)

248 236 Think about how absurd that is, to allow foreign nationals to vote in our elections--and in large numbers.

We haven't reached the height of absurdity yet.

"Reason for absentee ballot: I don't live there..."

Posted by: t-bird at November 24, 2021 01:18 PM (1vynn)

Congress passes their election integrity bill, allowing citizens of the world to decide America's leadership. /sarc, barely

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 24, 2021 01:19 PM (ynpvh)

249 So yes, it is a strong sample.
Posted by: Dave in Fla (fC3dn) at November 24, 2021 01:17 PM (5p7BC)

The "strength" of the sample also comes from how it's taken, right? Not just raw numbers?

So 2,000 samples across multiple demographics is more accurate than 10,000 samples taken from one ward of one city

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 24, 2021 01:19 PM (6FeV1)

250 @233

Yeah, I'm kinda surprised by the 65+ numbers. It doesn't seem to comport with what I'm seeing, I guess.

Posted by: artemis at November 24, 2021 01:19 PM (AwPyG)

251 Plus, the number of people believing the election of 2020 was shady is about 50 percent or more recently so people (other than Dem ideologues), do change their perceptions as more information comes to light.

--------------

As Biden's numbers go down, the number of people who believe the election was shady will rise - just as the converse would be true. But also true that as more is revealed, more will believe it. As more people investigate it, more will believe it.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at November 24, 2021 01:20 PM (sX1BW)

252 Dave, you probably already said long ago, but is this your profession or a hobby? Your posts are always thoughtful and well reasoned, and leave me feeling a little more hopeful that people see through most of the BS, even if Democrat electoral fraud skews the results.
Posted by: Drink Like Vikings
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Hobby. My profession is engineering focused on satellites.

Posted by: Dave in Fla (fC3dn) at November 24, 2021 01:20 PM (5p7BC)

253 " they're saying vaccine reaction but he got covid right after his second shot.
Posted by: Synova"

Those who can make you believe absurdities...

Posted by: f'd at November 24, 2021 01:20 PM (Tnijr)

254
Me either. I can accept black pill more than deliberate undermining.
Posted by: squid_hunt at November 24, 2021 01:18 PM (B0mGw)


https://youtu.be/TRHN5vxnZrI?t=60

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Jackson Sparks at November 24, 2021 01:20 PM (Zz0t1)

255 Elections remain compromised, there is no doubt about the outcomes.

Posted by: klaftern at November 24, 2021 01:20 PM (taPSh)

256 Trump is Trump. He's 75 or something. If anyone thinks he's suddenly going to stop with the jabs and jibes and freaky-deaky tweets, you're dreaming.

Posted by: Ordinary American at November 24, 2021 01:20 PM (H8QX8)

257 same as in gown
Posted by: REDACTED at November 24, 2021 01:06 PM (us2H3)

I have a nice uniform gown for formal dances.

Posted by: Admiral Rachel Levine at November 24, 2021 01:20 PM (yrol0)

258 199 In Vietnam, you can get 22,700 dong to the dollar. How many bag's worth, I don't know.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 24, 2021 01:11 PM (ynpvh)

I wish the symbol for dong was a cartoon dick'n'balls with two horizontal lines through it

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 24, 2021 01:12 PM (6FeV1)

Well, could start a cyptocurrency called Dick-Coin...
Oh wait, somebody already did.
https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/dickcoin/

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 24, 2021 01:21 PM (ynpvh)

259 Not to mention, what did they do to you after you dared to protest it? They arrested you, some of you had the FBI track you down to question you, some of you were thrown in prison and tortured. The rest of you were forced to submit to a shot or lose your jobs. They stole your right to vote, they stole your freedom and they stole your jobs. That is just the tip of the iceberg if you let them remain in power.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at November 24, 2021 01:14 PM (Do5/p)


Excellent. But other than Trump or DeSantis, who in the GOP running for president would ever publicly voice such sentiments?

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at November 24, 2021 01:21 PM (kSSxT)

260 Quality control is not really our thing.

Posted by: CDC at November 24, 2021 01:21 PM (v0R5T)

261 Because you're not funny Molly. And you have actually advocated for shit like this and even worse for real.
Posted by: Buzzion at November 24, 2021 01:15 PM (fiH+I)

Trump joked about hackers releasing Hillary's emails and Dems used that against him for four years. I think it was even raised in the impeachment.

Thanks to her side we don't get to joke any more.

Posted by: 29Victor at November 24, 2021 01:22 PM (BJKQV)

262 Hobby. My profession is engineering focused on satellites.
Posted by: Dave in Fla (fC3dn) at November 24, 2021 01:20 PM (5p7BC)


Let me add my thanks as well Dave. I always gain something from your posts.
Heh. Satellites. I still have an early version of Satellite Tool kit on one of my old computers.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 24, 2021 01:22 PM (axyOa)

263 "This was meant to be funny but now I'm being trolled by everyone from the right because they think I'm actually going to telling everyone to call the FBI on relatives."

Leftists lurve to pull the "we were just joking" card. It ain't a laughing matter, and these wenches are undoubtedly serious.

Your nutbar relatives, or "neighbors" have undoubtedly forwarded your name by now. Guaranteed. It's baked in the cake (that you're required to bake).

Anonymous. And "I was just so concerned about them. And you know, blah blah blah.

Posted by: Common Tater at November 24, 2021 01:22 PM (3N/o1)

264 CFR (remember that?) has now dropped to 1.6% ( = 0.16% IFR) and has been under 2.0% since last December. Flu is 1.0%/0.1% CFR/IFR.

2 years worth of data and we're still doing this shit.

https://bit.ly/3r7AxsA.

Notice when the CFR rate spiked? From 2 weeks to slow the spread through end of May (which was really the end of a total nationwide lockdown panic), the CFR trippled!

Posted by: biggy at November 24, 2021 01:22 PM (Zbtzm)

265 https://youtu.be/TRHN5vxnZrI?t=60
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Jackson Sparks at November 24, 2021 01:20 PM (Zz0t1)

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I have always loved that song.

Posted by: 496 at November 24, 2021 01:22 PM (VJsqe)

266 Hobby. My profession is engineering focused on satellites.
Posted by: Dave in Fla (fC3dn) at November 24, 2021 01:20 PM (5p7BC)

*Donald Sutherland pod people reaction at mismatched hash*

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 24, 2021 01:23 PM (6FeV1)

267 @256

I've mentioned it before, but in a way the "Trump is gonna Trump" thing is what helped save him.

The msm tried to convince us that this well-known celebrity of 70 years was a Russian spy, and nobody bought it.

Posted by: artemis at November 24, 2021 01:23 PM (AwPyG)

268 258 199 In Vietnam, you can get 22,700 dong to the dollar. How many bag's worth, I don't know.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 24, 2021 01:11 PM (ynpvh)

I wish the symbol for dong was a cartoon dick'n'balls with two horizontal lines through it
Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 24, 2021 01:12 PM (6FeV1)

Well, could start a cyptocurrency called Dick-Coin...
Oh wait, somebody already did.
https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/dickcoin/
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 24, 2021 01:21 PM (ynpvh)

And the price seems to be deflating...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 24, 2021 01:23 PM (ynpvh)

269 Melissa Tate @TheRightMelissa; Nov 23
BREAKING: Defiant Alex Jones says he will plead the 5th & not testify before the "witch hunt show trail" Jan 6th Commission.

Calls for "a REAL investigation into the FBI's & Deep State involvement" on Jan 6th.

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at November 24, 2021 01:23 PM (UHVv4)

270 "Posted by: squid_hunt at November 24, 2021 01:06 PM (B0mGw)"

lol, yeah sure I am.

If you have a factual counter point, make it. Some others have and they make very credible points. We just differ on approach, not the destination. Nothing wrong with that, we all want to win.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 24, 2021 01:23 PM (VpIIl)

271 "Molly Jong-Fast
@MollyJongFast
This was meant to be funny but now I'm being trolled by everyone from the right because they think I'm actually going to call the FBI on my relatives."

There is nothing funny about this, and the fact that she thinks there is shows she's part of the problem. This, a couple of days after we learn that the capitol police beat some old lady to death on Jan 6 and covered it up, the Jan 6 detainees were cuffed to charis and pepper sprayed, the FBI swats some family because the mom is outspoken at school board meetings, the FBI raids Veritas and the government says they don't have 1A rights because they're "not real journalists".

Fuck this bint.

Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at November 24, 2021 01:23 PM (CtltA)

272 "Nobody is trying to demoralize anyone. "

You spent the two weeks prior to Virginia telling everyone it was all a mirage. You spend most of your time letting everyone know voting is pointless.

I can agree that Trump needs to be smarter. He won the first time because he made himself our champion. He had fun and brought us along for the ride. We need more of that. His problem during the second election was that he made us his battering ram. He alienated absolutely everyone. He does need to fix those things.

If you believe that, then say it. Your schtick has been a whisper campaign to undermine Trump and suggest we leave him behind. I'll support Desantis or Trump if they win the primary. I won't hold it against someone for supporting Desantis over Trump. I have a problem with friendly fire that appears to come with a motive.

Posted by: squid_hunt at November 24, 2021 01:24 PM (B0mGw)

273 Thanks Dave in Fla

Posted by: Braenyard at November 24, 2021 01:24 PM (aurj9)

274 Verdict has been reached in the Arbery trial

Posted by: redridinghood at November 24, 2021 01:24 PM (NpAcC)

275 "Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, load and make ready at November 24, 2021 12:41 PM (V6f9+) "

Thank you' You're a good man.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 24, 2021 01:24 PM (VpIIl)

276 The country needs the fire to be documented or disproven. But only serious people, and a few Trump voters, want this to happen. The sloppy US presidential election system finally failed, all institutions and safeguards failed. But of course most just want to "move on", as though that makes any sense.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 24, 2021 01:09 PM (OTzUX)


The noted English economist David Ricardo wrote a colleague in Philadelphia about 1810 when he noticed that most American banks had issued loans and bank-notes above and beyond their bullion reserves, and he wanted to know why the customers of the banks did not immediately make a run on the bank in a panicked attempt to save something from the guaranteed bankruptcies.
His colleague replied that everyone has most of their money in the bank or in the paper currency, and if they caused a run they would lose everything.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 24, 2021 01:24 PM (P9T5R)

277
Yeah, I'm kinda surprised by the 65+ numbers. It doesn't seem to comport with what I'm seeing, I guess.
==
The hippie thing was not as big in some part of the country as others. If you are in the heavily populated east or even in north east Ohio there's a lot of hippies. There's just no other word for them. They are the peace and love generation and they don't like the short fingered vulgarian. He makes people uncomfortable(accountable) which is not something they want to be.

Posted by: Get it? at November 24, 2021 01:24 PM (9R4iz)

278 Hobby. My profession is engineering focused on satellites.
Posted by: Dave in Fla (fC3dn) at November 24, 2021 01:20 PM (5p7BC)
.........

So that explains all the math and stuff.

Posted by: wth at November 24, 2021 01:24 PM (v0R5T)

279 Beef-Supremacist Bongino funny line today: "Turkey is inferior meat." I'll choose boxed au-gratin potatoes for tomorrow's menu.

Posted by: gp's Dark Energy Acceleration at November 24, 2021 01:25 PM (qpX6U)

280 Here's another gem from Molly Jong Fast, from yesterday:

"Biden Needs an Enemy"

https://tinyurl.com/2r3j9mmw


She opines that Biden's terrible polling is due to poor narrative messaging. Her solution? Shift the overarching narrative for the plebs to screaming about how the Republicans are hell-bent on destroying Our Democracy! That will make everyone forget about inflation, no end to COVID as-promised, and supply chain problems, you betcha!

What a clown show from top to bottom on the Left.

Posted by: Gref at November 24, 2021 01:25 PM (AMIL/)

281 "You spent the two weeks prior to Virginia telling everyone it was all a mirage. "

You're thinking of someone else.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 24, 2021 01:25 PM (VpIIl)

282
The msm tried to convince us that this well-known celebrity of 70 years was a Russian spy, and nobody bought it.
Posted by: artemis at November 24, 2021 01:23 PM (AwPyG)



The MSM should've been laughed at by EVERYONE for eternity after they clowned themselves saying that Trump wasn't at 9/11 and never sent anyone to assist in recovery of victims shortly after the video of him doing just that came out.

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Jackson Sparks at November 24, 2021 01:25 PM (Zz0t1)

283 @MollyJongFast
This was meant to be funny but now I'm being trolled by everyone from the right because they think I'm actually going to call the FBI on my relatives."


Fuck off, Molly. Ha! Get it?

Posted by: t-bird at November 24, 2021 01:25 PM (DMQdU)

284 Hobby. My profession is engineering focused on satellites.
Posted by: Dave in Fla (fC3dn) at November 24, 2021 01:20 PM (5p7BC)

I was in the Army with a guy from Florida named Dave. We were both in school for satellite radio repair.

Posted by: 29Victor at November 24, 2021 01:25 PM (BJKQV)

285 Trump has a lot of specifics he can fall back on, real world examples that actually tell the story. What I am saying is stick to it and leave all the other hijinx behind. Hot them hard- with facts and realities, what works and what clearly does not. What will make everyone's life better, and what has crushed them. That's it.
Posted by: Marcus T at November 24, 2021 01:18 PM (VpIIl)


I mostly agree with you, but again, I have to say that IMO Trump must bring up the stolen election. NOT make it a centerpoint, yes, but he has to bring it up because it was stolen, the steal has had real-life consequences both economically (food / gas prices) and personally (January 6 prisoners) and hand-waving away an outright act of treason is simply telling the Dems that the right has no stomach to move against them for a coup that overthrew the Republic.

A stolen election has to have consequences, or it will happen again. I don't know how much clearer I can make this.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 24, 2021 01:26 PM (2JVJo)

286 Hell hath frozen over...I'm sure it's temporary though...

https://tinyurl.com/yhpe7hcu

Posted by: Tami at November 24, 2021 01:26 PM (cF8AT)

287 Thanks Dave, great analysis per usual.

That Molly-Jong Fast update by OM is a Babylon Bee headline (or more than likely, once was), amirite?

Posted by: ShainS -- Let's Poop Brandon! (Non Compos Anus) at November 24, 2021 01:26 PM (yf5HK)

288 283 @MollyJongFast
This was meant to be funny but now I'm being trolled by everyone from the right because they think I'm actually going to call the FBI on my relatives."

Fuck off, Molly. Ha! Get it?

Posted by: t-bird at November 24, 2021 01:25 PM (DMQdU)

It's always a joke when people take what you seriously wrote seriously, isn't it, Molly?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 24, 2021 01:26 PM (ynpvh)

289 Happy Thanksgiving from the staff at The Atlantic

https://tinyurl.com/hcd9z644

Posted by: rhennigantx at November 24, 2021 01:26 PM (yrol0)

290 The Donks really need that commie lady to ruin the country permanently.

Posted by: klaftern at November 24, 2021 01:26 PM (taPSh)

291 286 Hell hath frozen over...I'm sure it's temporary though...

https://tinyurl.com/yhpe7hcu
Posted by: Tami at November 24, 2021 01:26 PM (cF8AT)

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Wow - encouraging to read, actually.

Posted by: 496 at November 24, 2021 01:27 PM (VJsqe)

292 @278

Dave got an A in calculus

Posted by: artemis at November 24, 2021 01:27 PM (AwPyG)

293 Wait for my next article about running over your relatives!

Posted by: Molly Jong (not so!) Fast at November 24, 2021 01:27 PM (Tvvj2)

294 So Baris reports about 19% who don't want Trump or Biden. Presumably, they like someone else. But I'd like to see a poll that gives "zero preference" as an option for people like me who truly don't care. I can't be the only one who has no particular worry about which powerless individual sits at a large desk for four years.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 24, 2021 01:27 PM (xUca6)

295 This was meant to be funny but now I'm being trolled...

When simply replying to a comment became "trolling" people were denied any form of adult discussion.
Troll basically encompasses bigot, Islamophobia, sexist, homophone, Trumptard, etc.
oh and idiot as it's an accepted term for retard.

Posted by: old chick at November 24, 2021 01:27 PM (sOete)

296 Yeah, I'm kinda surprised by the 65+ numbers. It doesn't seem to comport with what I'm seeing, I guess.


My ol man died twenty years ago. Buried in Oregon. I suspect he's still voting.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 24, 2021 01:27 PM (axyOa)

297 "Molly Jong-Fast
@MollyJongFast
This was meant to be funny but now I'm being trolled by everyone from the right because they think I'm actually going to call the FBI on my relatives."



Catch a clue, scrunt. Your comedy sucks.

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Jackson Sparks at November 24, 2021 01:27 PM (Zz0t1)

298 Does the FBI have a report on your family hotline?

Posted by: Northernlurker at November 24, 2021 01:27 PM (cSyAR)

299 A stolen election has to have consequences, or it will happen again. I don't know how much clearer I can make this.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 24, 2021 01:26 PM (2JVJo)

It's the stolen election itself compounded with all the systems in place to prevent stolen elections being subverted by the very people with an interest in stealing the election.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 24, 2021 01:27 PM (6FeV1)

300 296 Yeah, I'm kinda surprised by the 65+ numbers. It doesn't seem to comport with what I'm seeing, I guess.


My ol man died twenty years ago. Buried in Oregon. I suspect he's still voting.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 24, 2021 01:27 PM (axyOa)

He's a loyal voter of one particular party. I'll let you guess which one.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 24, 2021 01:28 PM (ynpvh)

301 "You're thinking of someone else."

Sure.

Posted by: squid_hunt at November 24, 2021 01:28 PM (B0mGw)

302 "What a clown show from top to bottom on the Left."

Well-paid clowns. Shameless shills like her get paid no matter how loony their narrative script is. It pays to be a tool.

Posted by: gp's Dark Energy Acceleration at November 24, 2021 01:28 PM (qpX6U)

303 297 "Molly Jong-Fast
@MollyJongFast
This was meant to be funny but now I'm being trolled by everyone from the right because they think I'm actually going to call the FBI on my relatives."

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"Botched joke"

Right.

Posted by: 496 at November 24, 2021 01:28 PM (VJsqe)

304 the "Trump is gonna Trump" thing is what helped save him.

The msm tried to convince us that this well-known celebrity of 70 years was a Russian spy, and nobody bought it.
===
Right. I mean he's the StayPuft marshmallow man of politics. The media chose the form of their destructor when the let him glide through the primary, thinking he would be easy for Hillary to beat.

He kept more campaign promises that most politicians, despite being surrounded by wolves and traitors.

Plus, he's fun. Period. Full stop.

Posted by: Get it? at November 24, 2021 01:28 PM (9R4iz)

305 Ivanka didn't just marry a Jew. She converted. Trump has Jewish grandchildren. And he can't tweet. His account was permanently suspended.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at November 24, 2021 01:28 PM (5HBd1)

306 But I'd like to see a poll that gives "zero preference" as an option for people like me who truly don't care. I can't be the only one who has no particular worry about which powerless individual sits at a large desk for four years.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 24, 2021 01:27 PM (xUca6)



The pen, phone and Executive Order says you should.

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Jackson Sparks at November 24, 2021 01:28 PM (Zz0t1)

307 "This means that 9.4 million people have had a severe reaction that prevented daily activity."

What exactly does that mean? So if you feel really weak or tired the day after the shot and you stay home -- "prevented daily activity" -- that counts as "severe" reaction? The good old flu shot could knock you on your ass too. But nobody bitched and moaned and whined and complained about that.

Don't get me wrong: I think whether or not to get the shot should be up to you and only you. I'm against any kind of mandate. I was against any kind of lockdown. I think CV19 is 99% a political hoax. But some of the anti-vaxx hysteria is just as bad as the Covid Cultist bullshit.

Posted by: Elric Blade at November 24, 2021 01:28 PM (iFTx/)

308 At the BEE:

CNN Reports On 'Deadly Boat Accident' At Pearl Harbor

Posted by: rhennigantx at November 24, 2021 01:29 PM (yrol0)

309 299 A stolen election has to have consequences, or it will happen again. I don't know how much clearer I can make this.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 24, 2021 01:26 PM (2JVJo)

It's the stolen election itself compounded with all the systems in place to prevent stolen elections being subverted by the very people with an interest in stealing the election.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 24, 2021 01:27 PM (6FeV1)

And destroying voting records in 12 months when by Federal law must be retained for 22 months? Nothing to see here, just cleaning up a mess.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 24, 2021 01:29 PM (ynpvh)

310 200 The millennial child influence over the Boomer is an amazing thing to witness.

Posted by: SH

Both generations think of themselves as generations of destiny which is largely a creation of the media and factory model public schooling.

It seems that every generation immediately behind a generation of destiny is a bit more cynical about the previous generation.

If you are interested in that sort of generational politics, one guy that is pretty sharp is Walter Dean Burnham discussing realignments of politics in history. Others focus on a great metacycle of actions over time.

Posted by: whig at November 24, 2021 01:29 PM (9hXN1)

311
Well-paid clowns. Shameless shills like her get paid no matter how loony their narrative script is. It pays to be a tool.
Posted by: gp's Dark Energy Acceleration at November 24, 2021 01:28 PM (qpX6U)



EVERYTHING the left does is money laundering.

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Jackson Sparks at November 24, 2021 01:29 PM (Zz0t1)

312 Also at the BEE:

Clever Business Owners Ward Off Looters With Kyle Rittenhouse Scarecrows

Posted by: rhennigantx at November 24, 2021 01:29 PM (yrol0)

313 People want to know how Trump, or the GOP is going to make their lives better and where they stand on the issues.
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Oh lord, really?
The only way this could be any more GOPe "let's sucker them empty words" is if it added, "like a pathway to citizenship to bring the illegals in from the shadows."
Posted by: Lrrr at November 24, 2021 01:07 PM (IH5vN)


Trump understood that through his lifting impediments, we the people could make our lives better. But the GOP would rather pander with empty giveaways.

Posted by: Captain Hate won't forget Michael Byrd Murdered Ashli Babbitt at November 24, 2021 01:29 PM (y7DUB)

314 I've been wrong about stuff too, very wrong.

I've got to try that some day. You know, just to say I did.

Posted by: pep at November 24, 2021 01:29 PM (ZsR3z)

315 How can so many sentient people still think Biden is the right choice? Oh, I see my mistake, they're not sentient.

Posted by: Actually Inside the Beltway at November 24, 2021 01:29 PM (fMhOl)

316 "This means that 9.4 million people have had a severe reaction that prevented daily activity."

People might not be answering this correctly, or we might be misinterpreting the answers. I had a reaction to the 2nd shot (fever/flu-like for 12-24 hours) so did that prevent my daily activity? Well, I laid in bed for 24 hours, so depending on how you take the question?

Posted by: Memories at November 24, 2021 01:30 PM (mwcEF)

317 Molly Jong-Fast: *puts clown nose on* "it was a humor essay (come on guys!)"

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at November 24, 2021 01:30 PM (/TTi/)

318 Molly, the Biden Junta tried to create an enemy with the persecution of Kyle Rittenhouse.

Didn't work out so well for the people of Waukesha, did it?

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at November 24, 2021 01:30 PM (/luV5)

319 312 Also at the BEE:

Clever Business Owners Ward Off Looters With Kyle Rittenhouse Scarecrows

Posted by: rhennigantx at November 24, 2021 01:29 PM (yrol0)

Anamatronic with real AR-15 action!

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 24, 2021 01:30 PM (ynpvh)

320 @MollyJongFast
This was meant to be funny...


We get it Molly. Ha.
Pay no attention to the pallet of bricks being delivered outside your house. I'm sure it was just an incorrect address.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 24, 2021 01:30 PM (axyOa)

321 I kinda wonder if they're stalling the elections exposure till next year, to have an election year issue

It seems strange, to me, that Michigan, Wisconsin and Penn are kinda warming up to it in baby steps.

Posted by: artemis at November 24, 2021 01:30 PM (AwPyG)

322 @cnnbrk 31s

Jurors have reached a verdict in the trial of three White men accused of killing Black jogger Ahmaud Arbery. Follow live updates

Posted by: Tami at November 24, 2021 01:30 PM (cF8AT)

323 "Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 24, 2021 01:26 PM (2JVJo) "

I don't believe we really disagree that much. It's about how and when you bring it up. There are some very hard facts regarding electoral integrity. Facts that are relatively indisputable. If you bring it up in that context and talk about what's being done to restore integrity, I believe a lot more people will listen.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 24, 2021 01:30 PM (VpIIl)

324 Paul Joseph Watson @PrisonPlanet; 18h
Ice has frozen early in the Arctic, leaving dozens of ships stuck.

Must be global warming.

https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/
1463289533630402569

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at November 24, 2021 01:30 PM (UHVv4)

325 Thank you' You're a good man.
Posted by: Marcus T at November 24, 2021 01:24 PM (VpIIl)

:fistbump:
Might as well hang together than hang separately

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, load and make ready at November 24, 2021 01:30 PM (V6f9+)

326 299 A stolen election has to have consequences, or it will happen again. I don't know how much clearer I can make this.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 24, 2021 01:26 PM (2JVJo)
I agree. I think the latest NJ election was swiped, and there will be no consequences.

Posted by: CN...FJB at November 24, 2021 01:31 PM (ONvIw)

327 And destroying voting records in 12 months when by Federal law must be retained for 22 months? Nothing to see here, just cleaning up a mess.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 24, 2021 01:29 PM (ynpvh)

There is video of that!

Posted by: rhennigantx at November 24, 2021 01:31 PM (yrol0)

328 316 "This means that 9.4 million people have had a severe reaction that prevented daily activity."

People might not be answering this correctly, or we might be misinterpreting the answers. I had a reaction to the 2nd shot (fever/flu-like for 12-24 hours) so did that prevent my daily activity? Well, I laid in bed for 24 hours, so depending on how you take the question?

Posted by: Memories at November 24, 2021 01:30 PM (mwcEF)

Death can also be a severe reaction that inhibits daily activities (except voting Dem).

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 24, 2021 01:31 PM (ynpvh)

329 "He was dead right on WI, NC, PA, TX, and FL."

Did he predict Trump won WI, PA?

Posted by: rhomboid at November 24, 2021 01:31 PM (OTzUX)

330 "Jurors have reached a verdict in the trial of three White men accused of killing Black jogger Ahmaud Arbery."

That was quick.

Posted by: gp's Dark Energy Acceleration at November 24, 2021 01:31 PM (qpX6U)

331 Mad Lib-merick

Posted by: Muldoon at November 24, 2021 12:16 PM (m45I2)

Mad Limb of Rick
I once knew a Rick from North Spain,
His right arm often had pain,
He said to his Doc, "Doc what is your thought?"
Doc said "your arm's clearly insane."

Posted by: flounder at November 24, 2021 01:31 PM (SH2Zi)

332 Looks like Ahmaud Arbery verdict is in. Stand by for riots if not guilty

Posted by: Ripley at November 24, 2021 01:31 PM (MxEKc)

333 It's amusing folks saying how the man who beat the machine in '16 and single-handedly, against total opposition, turned the economy around should do things.

How presumptuous.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 24, 2021 01:31 PM (aurj9)

334 Excellent covid info W D. And I think Rich Baris was also the host of The Gong Show.

Posted by: Big Alfredo at November 24, 2021 01:31 PM (Vdukr)

335 The people at the Bablyon Bee are really good.

It's that rules for radicals thing, about satire being so powerful.

Posted by: artemis at November 24, 2021 01:31 PM (AwPyG)

336 "I kinda wonder if they're stalling the elections exposure till next year, to have an election year issue"

The GOP is locked into the status quo. They're not talking about it because they don't want to alienate their golf buddies. They intend to bury it because highlighting it would require them to do something about it.

Posted by: squid_hunt at November 24, 2021 01:31 PM (B0mGw)

337 Ice has frozen early in the Arctic, leaving dozens of ships stuck.

Must be global warming.

https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/
1463289533630402569
Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at November 24, 2021 01:30 PM (UHVv4)

And we have, what ONE working icebreaker? Or do we have a whole two ships?
Clownworld sucks, wouldn't visit.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, load and make ready at November 24, 2021 01:32 PM (V6f9+)

338 100 > they think I'm actually going to call the FBI on my relatives.

Yes. I absolutely believe MJF would report her relatives to the FBI if they so much as quoted a Founding Father.

Posted by: bonhomme at November 24, 2021 12:57 PM (sG4Hj)

Kid in school 1950's: "Our country had fore-fathers!"
Kids in school, 2020's: "How many fathers do I have?"

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 24, 2021 01:32 PM (ynpvh)

339 I've been wrong about stuff too, very wrong.
.........

Love means never having to say you're sorry.

Posted by: wth at November 24, 2021 01:32 PM (v0R5T)

340 It's the stolen election itself compounded with all the systems in place to prevent stolen elections being subverted by the very people with an interest in stealing the election.
==
Deep state. That's the problem. If by election reform, you mean destruction of the deep state. Then sure. The deep state decided what they wanted to have happen, and the "system" was side tracked to get the result. Imagine Hillary ahead a midnight. Counting "shut down" and next morning Trump declared winner. The civil war was still be ongoing.

I get people don't want want to accept that the problem is as big as it is. But, it is what it is.

The election was stolen. The systems to prevent that were short circuited. There is no reason for them not to do it again, forever, if they aren't stopped now.

Posted by: Get it? at November 24, 2021 01:33 PM (j5s3r)

341 The BEE nails it:

Wife Wants Very Specific Gift For Christmas And Also Wants Husband To Think Of It Himself

Posted by: rhennigantx at November 24, 2021 01:33 PM (yrol0)

342 The GOP is locked into the status quo. They're not talking about it because they don't want to alienate their golf buddies. They intend to bury it because highlighting it would require them to do something about it.
Posted by: squid_hunt at November 24, 2021 01:31 PM (B0mGw)

And they are fine with election fraud for Trump. They never wanted to act on Obamacare or the border, and they didn't.

Posted by: CN...FJB at November 24, 2021 01:33 PM (ONvIw)

343 Hobby. My profession is engineering focused on satellites.
Posted by: Dave in Fla (fC3dn) at November 24, 2021 01:20 PM (5p7BC)
.........

So that explains all the math and stuff.
Posted by: wth at November 24, 2021 01:24 PM (v0R5T)

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Suspicion: Dick "the Toe-Sucker" Morris got the idea for Triangulation from an unwitting Dave.

Posted by: ShainS -- Let's Poop Brandon! (Non Compos Anus) at November 24, 2021 01:33 PM (yf5HK)

344 "This means that 9.4 million people have had a severe reaction that prevented daily activity."

People might not be answering this correctly, or we might be misinterpreting the answers. I had a reaction to the 2nd shot (fever/flu-like for 12-24 hours) so did that prevent my daily activity? Well, I laid in bed for 24 hours, so depending on how you take the question?

Posted by: Memories


Sounds like it did. I remember the polio and smallpox vaccines. Given at school. Didn't stop us kids. Didn't even slow us down. Maybe they shouldn't have put it on a sugar cube. That might not have been the smartest thing to give to grade schoolers.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 24, 2021 01:33 PM (OCTRt)

345 Ahead of me at the drive thru are 3 high school girls in a large golf cart.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at November 24, 2021 01:33 PM (IlOgP)

346 You'd think it would be hard to get accurate polling, nowadays, but I was impressed in 2016 when trump flew to Michigan at the last minute, and Hillary immediately followed him.

So; they're private polling must be pretty good

Posted by: artemis at November 24, 2021 01:33 PM (AwPyG)

347 277
Yeah, I'm kinda surprised by the 65+ numbers. It doesn't seem to comport with what I'm seeing, I guess.
==
The hippie thing was not as big in some part of the country as others. If you are in the heavily populated east or even in north east Ohio there's a lot of hippies. There's just no other word for them. They are the peace and love generation and they don't like the short fingered vulgarian. He makes people uncomfortable(accountable) which is not something they want to be.
Posted by: Get it? at November 24, 2021 01:24 PM (9R4iz)

My mom is 80 and the news calling Trump racist really works with her. We were raised pretty conservative (I don't know how my parents ever voted though) and with the belief that racism was a great evil (the 'n-word' was right up there with the 'f-word' in my family).
My mom voted for Obama because it was great for a black man to be president ("You don't know what they went through, what it was like during the 50s and 60s" she said). And she voted for Biden because she firmly believes that Trump is stupid and racist.

Posted by: 29Victor at November 24, 2021 01:34 PM (BJKQV)

348 106 test
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

In Hungarian, "test" means "body"

Posted by: the judges accept this as content at November 24, 2021 12:58 PM (QzkSJ)

In German, gift means poison.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 24, 2021 01:34 PM (ynpvh)

349 I'll defend Marcus. He's been here a while, he's a man of the gun, so part of my tribe.
Opinions vary.
I've been wrong about stuff too, very wrong.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
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I'll defend him too. He's been wrong on a few things, but he is a smart guy and understands a lot of the unlying principles very well. I've learned a lot reading his comments.

Posted by: Dave in Fla (fC3dn) at November 24, 2021 01:34 PM (5p7BC)

350 Looks like Ahmaud Arbery verdict is in. Stand by for riots if not guilty
Posted by: Ripley at November 24, 2021 01:31 PM


FIFY.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 24, 2021 01:34 PM (m+jkK)

351 They intend to bury it because highlighting it would require them to do something about it.
===
and it serves them. Dont think it doesn't.

Posted by: Get it? at November 24, 2021 01:34 PM (j5s3r)

352 That was quick.
Posted by: gp's Dark Energy Acceleration at November 24, 2021 01:31 PM


Did you think they would be deliberating over Thanksgiving?

Posted by: Chuck C at November 24, 2021 01:34 PM (EughT)

353 A stolen election has to have consequences, or it will happen again. I don't know how much clearer I can make this.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 24, 2021 01:26 PM (2JVJo)


The moment a polling place shuts down in the next election and the observers thrown out and the windows covered, 10,000 people need to surround that city block.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 24, 2021 01:34 PM (axyOa)

354 Wife Wants Very Specific Gift For Christmas And Also Wants Husband To Think Of It Himself
Posted by: rhennigantx at November 24, 2021 01:33 PM (yrol0)


LOL

Posted by: Jordan61 at November 24, 2021 01:35 PM (Ez6QX)

355 "Did you think they would be deliberating over Thanksgiving?"

Good point!

Posted by: gp's Dark Energy Acceleration at November 24, 2021 01:35 PM (qpX6U)

356 In German, gift means poison.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 24, 2021 01:34 PM (ynpvh)

And mist means shit

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 24, 2021 01:35 PM (6FeV1)

357 This caught my eye and is sort of surprising. I suspect this is the GOP subset that doesn't like his tweeting. But this also seems like the easiest group for Trump to pick back up.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at November 24, 2021 01:01 PM

All he needs to do is remind the 65+ demographic that the Democrat Party worked to kill them by the tens of thousands with their nursing home COVID policies. Not to mention kept their families away from them while they were dying. Not to mention denied them known successful treatments of HCQ, Ivermectin and monoclonal antibodies and lied about their effectiveness. Then also cheered on the Waukesha killer when he killed them with his SUV.

For everyone else, all he needs to say is "How am I going to make things better for you? I'm going to enact the same America-first policies I did from 2017 through FEB 2020 which ushered in the greatest economy in history."

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at November 24, 2021 01:35 PM (Do5/p)

358 s. I don't know anything about the guy,


=====

I agree with you!

Posted by: runner at November 24, 2021 01:35 PM (p6BoR)

359 285 Trump has a lot of specifics he can fall back on, real world examples that actually tell the story. What I am saying is stick to it and leave all the other hijinx behind. Hot them hard- with facts and realities, what works and what clearly does not. What will make everyone's life better, and what has crushed them. That's it.
Posted by: Marcus T

Marcus T, no insult but campaigns are run on rhetoric versus dialectic. A chicken in every pot is rhetoric. Discussing inflation rates on basic goods is dialectic. Dialectic is the fatal disease politically of persuasion of the masses.

Smart people like dialectic and deride leaders that use rhetoric such as China flu etc. However, rhetoric is what any leader of a country relies upon to reach down to the emotions of a mass of citizens. That is why the best leaders are bilingual and can speak dialectic to smart people and rhetoric to the masses and the best of them rely on dialectic to set up their rhetoric.

Posted by: whig at November 24, 2021 01:35 PM (9hXN1)

360
@MollyJongFast
This was meant to be funny but now I'm being trolled by everyone from the right because they think I'm actually going to call the FBI on my relatives."


Hey, Molly? You know why it wasn't funny? Because I have a leftist sister who actually called the FBI on a neighbor who went walkabout inside of the Capitol. Would my own sister rat me out? You betcha.

So stick your comedy somewhere where the sun don't shine.

Posted by: Traitor Joe's Military Surplus at November 24, 2021 01:35 PM (dQvv7)

361 "I kinda wonder if they're stalling the elections exposure till next year, to have an election year issue"

They're stalling to get past 22 months. As things stand today, hardly anyone can prove they were lawfully elected in 2020.

Posted by: t-bird at November 24, 2021 01:35 PM (9Fwwf)

362 341 The BEE nails it:

Wife Wants Very Specific Gift For Christmas And Also
Wants Husband To Think Of It Himself

Posted by: rhennigantx at November 24, 2021 01:33 PM (yrol0)

-----

LOL --- "and and it's headline ... was perfect."

Posted by: ShainS -- Let's Poop Brandon! (Non Compos Anus) at November 24, 2021 01:35 PM (yf5HK)

363 Maybe my foot needs to report to Molly Jong Fast's ass.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at November 24, 2021 01:36 PM (a1ycR)

364 Molly "Final Solution" Jong-Fast

Posted by: Archer at November 24, 2021 01:36 PM (gmo/4)

365 The moment a polling place shuts down in the next election and the observers thrown out and the windows covered, 10,000 people need to surround that city block.
Posted by: Diogenes

And light the building on fire.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 24, 2021 01:36 PM (OCTRt)

366 Ahead of me at the drive thru are 3 high school girls in a large golf cart.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at November 24, 2021 01:33 PM (IlOgP)

Kinda old but, what are they wearing? Can you smell them?

Posted by: Joe Biden at November 24, 2021 01:36 PM (v0R5T)

367
My mom is 80 and the news calling Trump racist really works with her. We were raised pretty conservative (I don't know how my parents ever voted though) and with the belief that racism was a great evil (the 'n-word' was right up there with the 'f-word' in my family).
My mom voted for Obama because it was great for a black man to be president ("You don't know what they went through, what it was like during the 50s and 60s" she said). And she voted for Biden because she firmly believes that Trump is stupid and racist.

==
Yeah. My mom, not a hippy, died this year at 89. She couldn't stand Trump. But she couldn't stand Romney either. Basically, people of a certain age, believe everything the media says. She never liked Hillary but that was left over from the Bill Clinton years when you couldn't help but notice was a freaking Beeyatch Hilllary was.

Posted by: Get it? at November 24, 2021 01:37 PM (NKXiA)

368 Travis: guilty

Posted by: Ripley at November 24, 2021 01:37 PM (MxEKc)

369 @346

You think that's bad, California had a stolen election AND a stolen recall that was all about the stolen election.

Posted by: artemis at November 24, 2021 01:37 PM (AwPyG)

370 Yeah, I'm kinda surprised by the 65+ numbers. It doesn't seem to comport with what I'm seeing, I guess.



I'm well over 29 and I thought the same until 3 years ago. Almost all my older friends are hard-core conservatives. But my eyes were opened when I signed-up for a foreign policy discussion group that meets at a local church. It's a big group - over 100 people - that breaks-into groups of 20 each week to discuss a pre-determined topic. About half of the people were 60 or older. The group across all age-levels was a hive of anti-Trumpist liberals. I stopped attending after 2 years.

Posted by: Gref at November 24, 2021 01:37 PM (AMIL/)

371 willowed but interesting!

Racine County GOP Audits Clerk Election Rolls

23,000 voters registered using the same phone number

4,120 people registered using the date 1/1/1918

Posted by: rhennigantx at November 24, 2021 12:50 PM (yrol0)

Posted by: LASue at November 24, 2021 01:37 PM (Ed8Zd)

372 Ice has frozen early in the Arctic, leaving dozens of ships stuck.

-
In 2007 - during his Nobel Peace Prize acceptance speech - Al Gore predicted the ice cap of the Northern arctic would disappear because of man-made global warming. He even went one step further and said the ice would be gone in seven years - by 2014.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 24, 2021 01:37 PM (FVME7)

373 Not a fan of polling Dave, but based on your recommendation, I will check into this gentleman. It's always interesting to discover an anomaly.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * jus a pohr wayfarin stranger at November 24, 2021 01:37 PM (mnRDj)

374 Travis guilty.

Posted by: gp's Dark Energy Acceleration at November 24, 2021 01:37 PM (qpX6U)

375 @rhennigan - is that like "You know what you did."?

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at November 24, 2021 01:38 PM (FPgcp)

376 Marcus is not a troll. H's been here for quite some time. He is a smart man with decided opinions (Don't we all have those?) and I appreciate his presence here. I also appreciate his scriptural encouragements. If he were really some official in the Republican party (which i don't think he is) I don't think he's be sharing quotes from the Bible.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 24, 2021 01:38 PM (poMoX)

377 The trial, likely, was not 'fair' as required by law.

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Jackson Sparks at November 24, 2021 01:38 PM (Zz0t1)

378 RE: 65+ not liking Trump

The great state of the economy under Trump didn't affect them like it does younger people. Same with the lousy state of the economy now. My mom is completely unaware of either. She's done earning now she just spends and doesn't go to the store often enough to notice the shortages.

Her news never reported any good news during the Trump admin - No peace deal with Israel and the Saudis, no record low unemployment for minorities, no not-starting wars, etc. but it hammered stupid and non-existent problems and theories about Trump non-stop.

Posted by: 29Victor at November 24, 2021 01:38 PM (BJKQV)

379 372 Ice has frozen early in the Arctic, leaving dozens of ships stuck.

-
In 2007 - during his Nobel Peace Prize acceptance speech - Al Gore predicted the ice cap of the Northern arctic would disappear because of man-made global warming. He even went one step further and said the ice would be gone in seven years - by 2014.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 24, 2021 01:37 PM (FVME7)

Global Warming! Climate Change!

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 24, 2021 01:38 PM (ynpvh)

380 Smart people like dialectic and deride leaders that use rhetoric such as China flu etc. However, rhetoric is what any leader of a country relies upon to reach down to the emotions of a mass of citizens. That is why the best leaders are bilingual and can speak dialectic to smart people and rhetoric to the masses and the best of them rely on dialectic to set up their rhetoric.

Is it just me, or does anyone else get the sense that Whig has a rather low opinion of the intellect of the masses? I'm not saying no.....

Posted by: pep at November 24, 2021 01:38 PM (ZsR3z)

381 In German, gift means poison

In English, flammable means inflammable.

Posted by: t-bird at November 24, 2021 01:38 PM (vOGqy)

382 Stop polling Brandon in 2024 and start polling M Obama. She is literally the Dem's only hope.

Posted by: redchief at November 24, 2021 01:38 PM (Kab4E)

383 Well somehow Dominion got though the aftermath of the 2020 election as pure as the driven snow..

Posted by: Skip's Phone at November 24, 2021 01:39 PM (2JoB8)

384 I can't be the only one who has no particular worry about which powerless individual sits at a large desk for four years.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 24, 2021 01:27 PM (xUca6)
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They don't have a column for cranky old men.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 24, 2021 01:39 PM (aurj9)

385 I don't believe any statistic coming from this junta, especially the CDC.

And I still don't trust polls, no matter who's doing them.

Posted by: My name is Jose Jimanez at November 24, 2021 01:39 PM (Fs5vw)

386 Travis McMichael guilty on all counts...10 of them I think.

Posted by: Tami at November 24, 2021 01:39 PM (cF8AT)

387 Marcus T, no insult but campaigns are run on rhetoric versus dialectic. A chicken in every pot is rhetoric. Discussing inflation rates on basic goods is dialectic. Dialectic is the fatal disease politically of persuasion of the masses.

Smart people like dialectic and deride leaders that use rhetoric such as China flu etc. However, rhetoric is what any leader of a country relies upon to reach down to the emotions of a mass of citizens. That is why the best leaders are bilingual and can speak dialectic to smart people and rhetoric to the masses and the best of them rely on dialectic to set up their rhetoric.

Posted by: whig at November 24, 2021 01:35 PM (9hXN1)

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Very insightful, whig.

Posted by: ShainS -- Let's Poop Brandon! (Non Compos Anus) at November 24, 2021 01:39 PM (yf5HK)

388 373 Not a fan of polling Dave, but based on your recommendation, I will check into this gentleman. It's always interesting to discover an anomaly.
Posted by: Sock Monkey * jus a pohr wayfarin stranger at November 24, 2021 01:37 PM (mnRDj)

Maybe Dave is not a fan of being polled!

Posted by: rhennigantx at November 24, 2021 01:39 PM (yrol0)

389 382 Stop polling Brandon in 2024 and start polling M Obama. She is literally the Dem's only hope.
Posted by: redchief at November 24, 2021 01:38 PM (Kab4E)

==========

They only think that because she didn't run in 2020. If she had, the media would have treated her like they treated Kamala. And Michelle Obama would have done just as well.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, holy crap, John Ford made a lot of movies in the 1930s at November 24, 2021 01:39 PM (3EWns)

390 Now about Trump, hope he does not run and let deSantis take it forward. Too long to explain why he is useless. I also think he made a deal to keep quiet about J6. To not talk about it or political prisoners.

Posted by: runner at November 24, 2021 01:39 PM (p6BoR)

391 In German, gift means poison.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 24, 2021 01:34 PM (ynpvh)


Apparently in Spanish the translation for "Latinx" is "pendejo"

Posted by: Kindltot at November 24, 2021 01:39 PM (P9T5R)

392 371 willowed but interesting!

Racine County GOP Audits Clerk Election Rolls

23,000 voters registered using the same phone number

4,120 people registered using the date 1/1/1918

Posted by: rhennigantx at November 24, 2021 12:50 PM (yrol0)

Posted by: LASue at November 24, 2021 01:37 PM (Ed8Zd)

The Sheriff just charged 5 of 6 members of the elections commission.

Posted by: redchief at November 24, 2021 01:40 PM (Kab4E)

393 the golf cart story reminds me of northernlurker at the bar with the barmaid.

Posted by: artemis at November 24, 2021 01:40 PM (AwPyG)

394 Greg not guilty malice murder,
guilty felony murder.

Posted by: gp's Dark Energy Acceleration at November 24, 2021 01:40 PM (qpX6U)

395 Gregor M: guilty 8 of 9 charges

Posted by: Ripley at November 24, 2021 01:40 PM (MxEKc)

396 Greg McMichael not guilty on count 1, guilty on all other counts 2-9.

Posted by: Tami at November 24, 2021 01:40 PM (cF8AT)

397 Global Warming! Climate Change! Climate Stilling!!! No, I'm not kidding.

Posted by: pep at November 24, 2021 01:41 PM (ZsR3z)

398 The Sheriff just charged 5 of 6 members of the elections commission.
==
Wake me when they are in prison. . .

Posted by: Get it? at November 24, 2021 01:41 PM (5CHhU)

399 I always like the part in the Texas Gov Now President freezes to death cause he want leave DC.

Why did not they just say Kill Bush?

Posted by: rhennigantx at November 24, 2021 01:41 PM (yrol0)

400 "Also, according to the CDC, 769 thousand people have died from COVID in the US. Out of a population of 330 million, this puts the risk of dying of COVID at 0.23%."

This is CRAP statistics. Not all 330 million people in the U.S. have been exposed to covid. The risk of dying from covid is somewhere between 769K/#of confirmed cases and 769K/330 million.

Not everyone who had covid was tested for it, so official risk of dying based on confirmed cases will overestimate the risk IMO. But people who were going only .00x of people are dying back in early 2020 when only a few percent of people had been exposed yet drove me crazy and even today it is completely wrong to use total population for risk of dying.

Posted by: PaleRide, unvaxxed and anti-mandate at November 24, 2021 01:41 PM (3cGpq)

401 Smart people like dialectic and deride leaders that use rhetoric such as China flu etc. However, rhetoric is what any leader of a country relies upon to reach down to the emotions of a mass of citizens. That is why the best leaders are bilingual and can speak dialectic to smart people and rhetoric to the masses and the best of them rely on dialectic to set up their rhetoric.

Is it just me, or does anyone else get the sense that Whig has a rather low opinion of the intellect of the masses? I'm not saying no.....
Posted by: pep


The peasants are revolting.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 24, 2021 01:41 PM (OCTRt)

402 Bryan guilty felony murder.

Posted by: gp's Dark Energy Acceleration at November 24, 2021 01:41 PM (qpX6U)

403 Smart people use dialectic to couch their emotional opinions.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 24, 2021 01:41 PM (aurj9)

404 @392

See, that's what I mean.

They've know all this for a year, now, and are slowly closing the net. You don't hear much about it, but the same sort of thing in PA and MI.

So I think its a coordinated strategy/rollout

Posted by: artemis at November 24, 2021 01:41 PM (AwPyG)

405 Easy for PDT to win the 65 and over crowd. Point to the difference in gas prices between his administration and the current. Remember, you're only trying to persuade the ones who can be reached. The insane ones are unreachable.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at November 24, 2021 01:42 PM (/luV5)

406 Bryan: mostly guilty 6 of 9 charges

Posted by: Ripley at November 24, 2021 01:42 PM (MxEKc)

407 They only think that because she didn't run in 2020. If she had, the media would have treated her like they treated Kamala. And Michelle Obama would have done just as well.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, holy crap, John Ford made a lot of movies in the 1930s at November 24, 2021 01:39 PM (3EWns)

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You think so? I, for one, am terrified that she'd run. At least everyone can see the crazy on AOC's face. Michelle got the Vogue treatment for 8+ years. People might be longing for a return to the Obama years. That's what I fear.

Posted by: 496 at November 24, 2021 01:42 PM (VJsqe)

408 William Bryan Jr.

Count 1&2 not guilty
Counts 3-5 guilty
Count 6 - not guilty
Count 7 - 9 guilty

Posted by: Tami at November 24, 2021 01:42 PM (cF8AT)

409 The moment a polling place shuts down in the next election and the observers thrown out and the windows covered, 10,000 people need to surround that city block.
Posted by: Diogenes


And burn it to the ground.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 24, 2021 01:42 PM (2JVJo)

410 I served on a jury presided over by this judge. He is awesome. Takes no shit or outbursts of any kind.

Now hopefully "Reverend" Al and Jesse Jackson will leave Georgia.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 24, 2021 01:42 PM (ptqGC)

411 Dave in Fla,

Always love your analysis and would love for you to continue contributing here.

Posted by: Blago at November 24, 2021 01:42 PM (8RdDn)

412 Judge polling the jury...

Posted by: Tami at November 24, 2021 01:42 PM (cF8AT)

413 Posted by: Dave in Fla (fC3dn) at November 24, 2021 01:34 PM (5p7BC)


Has someone been socking Dave this whole thread???

Posted by: Doof at November 24, 2021 01:42 PM (mZUr4)

414 What a revolting development that is

Posted by: Braenyard at November 24, 2021 01:42 PM (aurj9)

415 Regarding Marcus T in general, he is one of the good un's and not a troll.

Contrary opinions are always valuable because they can cause us to reevaluate our own opinions and upon what axioms we are using to buttress our own opinions.

As far as myself, I am agnostic over whether Trump or someone else is the better candidate for the GOP in 2024. As I have repeatedly said, we are in the era of abnormal politics so just as normal psychology does not apply to abnormal folks, ordinary political guides are less useful as predictors in abnormal times.

When some conspiracy theories prove to be true like the Russia hoax, then everything is up for re-evaluation by the wise.

Posted by: whig at November 24, 2021 01:42 PM (9hXN1)

416 391 In German, gift means poison.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 24, 2021 01:34 PM (ynpvh)

Apparently in Spanish the translation for "Latinx" is "pendejo"
Posted by: Kindltot at November 24, 2021 01:39 PM (P9T5R)

LOL, yes, it is, at least in my book. Years ago, my brother came up with a portmanteau of poindexter and pendejo and came up with PenDexter.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 24, 2021 01:42 PM (ynpvh)

417 The "strength" of the sample also comes from how it's taken, right? Not just raw numbers?

So 2,000 samples across multiple demographics is more accurate than 10,000 samples taken from one ward of one city
Posted by: Warai-otoko
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Correct. You need a sample size of at least 1200 and the correct demographic breakdown that represents the area being polled.

Posted by: Dave in Fla (fC3dn) at November 24, 2021 01:43 PM (5p7BC)

418 All found mostly Guilty in the GA trial

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 24, 2021 01:43 PM (Irn0L)

419 346 You'd think it would be hard to get accurate polling, nowadays, but I was impressed in 2016 when trump flew to Michigan at the last minute, and Hillary immediately followed him.

So; they're private polling must be pretty good
Posted by: artemis at November 24, 2021 01:33 PM (AwPyG)

They use polling to tell them what the public is thinking and how they should push their messaging to reflect that. The media uses polling to try and tell people what they should think.

Posted by: Buzzion at November 24, 2021 01:43 PM (fiH+I)

420 n German, gift means poison.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 24, 2021 01:34 PM (ynpvh)

Apparently in Spanish the translation for "Latinx" is "pendejo"
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in French the word for book is "Roman" because y'know the Eye ties could write and the french were too busy making love with their mouths to leave their hovels and come up with an alphabet.

Posted by: The More You Know at November 24, 2021 01:44 PM (j5s3r)

421 Apparently in Spanish the translation for "Latinx" is "pendejo"
Posted by: Kindltot at November 24, 2021 01:39 PM (P9T5R)

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And the original title for War and Peace was: War - what is it good for?

Posted by: 496 at November 24, 2021 01:44 PM (VJsqe)

422 The peasants are revolting.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 24, 2021 01:41 PM (OCTRt)


You said it, they stink on ice.

Posted by: King Louis XVI at November 24, 2021 01:44 PM (Ez6QX)

423 LOL, yes, it is, at least in my book. Years ago, my brother came up with a portmanteau of poindexter and pendejo and came up with PenDexter.
Posted by: jim

I knew I should have bought that ball cap I saw in a Shell station.

"Que Miras Pendejo"

Posted by: rickb223 at November 24, 2021 01:44 PM (OCTRt)

424 And light the building on fire.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 24, 2021 01:36 PM (OCTRt)

Dems always claim there are uncounted votes after any election they are behind by the late evening of election day - usually these uncounted vote totals are typically from 2% to 5% and are always from very populous blue precincts.

However, when faced with near certainty that they will pay a consequence, with Republican election lawyers on the ground at these precincts, and that their theft will be reported and legally challenged, the Dems back off and back down. This happened in Long Island for the Nassau Cty Executive race, and in South Jersey for the state senate race.

Posted by: Boswell at November 24, 2021 01:44 PM (5iUNf)

425 418 All found mostly Guilty in the GA trial
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 24, 2021 01:43 PM

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We'll be riot-free for Thanksgiving.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 24, 2021 01:44 PM (ptqGC)

426 Nood

Posted by: Doof at November 24, 2021 01:44 PM (mZUr4)

427 So white nationalists will be rioting and looting tonight, right?

Posted by: Ripley at November 24, 2021 01:45 PM (MxEKc)

428 279 Beef-Supremacist Bongino funny line today: "Turkey is inferior meat." I'll choose boxed au-gratin potatoes for tomorrow's menu.
Posted by: gp's Dark Energy Acceleration at November 24, 2021 01:25 PM

There's, like, only one Beef Supreme-icist, stupid. You take like a fag, and your shit's all retarded.

Posted by: Beef Supreme from Idiocracy at November 24, 2021 01:45 PM (Q93AK)

429 What exactly does that mean? So if you feel really weak or tired the day after the shot and you stay home -- "prevented daily activity" -- that counts as "severe" reaction?

A woman I know tells me that since she got the clot shot she's felt weird tingling sensations over her body that come and go in waves. Presumably this is some sort of nerve damage. And she regrets getting it.

Severe? Its not stopping her from daily activities - so presumably the 5% self reporting here have more serious issues like heart damage/stroke after effects/etc.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 24, 2021 01:45 PM (ESjRY)

430 Rekieta was up late last nite sipping his snobby brown liquor, so I guess he could not get up in time to live-cover these verdicts.

Posted by: gp's Dark Energy Acceleration at November 24, 2021 01:45 PM (qpX6U)

431 407 You think so? I, for one, am terrified that she'd run. At least everyone can see the crazy on AOC's face. Michelle got the Vogue treatment for 8+ years. People might be longing for a return to the Obama years. That's what I fear.
Posted by: 496 at November 24, 2021 01:42 PM (VJsqe)

==========

Kamala got the same treatment. And then she had to start showing up in public.

I have seen nothing to indicate that Michelle has anything like a common touch. I don't think she's nearly as dumb as Kamala, so she's got that going for her. However, she only flourishes in highly controlled situations, which are much harder to manufacture on a campaign trail, and she's not going to just get the nomination handed to her.

People keep thinking that Democrats, especially at that level, just fall in line and follow orders. 2020 showed that as hilariously wrong. Otherwise, Kamala would have been the nominee based on the early push the establishment gave her starting in early 2019. They're all paper tigers with knifes out to get each other.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, holy crap, John Ford made a lot of movies in the 1930s at November 24, 2021 01:45 PM (3EWns)

432 Speaking of the J6 "martyrs" there was a photo on gab yesterday of viking-horn-person standing with Pelosi's son in law, on the day of the protest.

Posted by: artemis at November 24, 2021 01:45 PM (AwPyG)

433 Biden Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm: "We're working through an energy transition. And weve got to start by adding energy, and the reality is, we have to take some time to get off of oil and gas, we recognize this. This is a transition."

SHE DOESNT EVEN KNOW HOW MANY BARRELS OF OIL WE USE EACH DAY

Posted by: rhennigantx at November 24, 2021 01:45 PM (yrol0)

434 Holy cow, that Molly Jong-Fast broad is completely bats**t insane. A true communist in all but the epaulets festooned on her clothes. She needs to be reported for pickup to her local asylum.

Posted by: Lady in Black at November 24, 2021 01:45 PM (sVtYq)

435 All found mostly Guilty in the GA trial
Posted by: Nevergiveup


We ride at dusk! To the dumpsters! Fire & riot!

Posted by: rickb223 at November 24, 2021 01:45 PM (OCTRt)

436 You think so? I, for one, am terrified that she'd run. At least everyone can see the crazy on AOC's face. Michelle got the Vogue treatment for 8+ years. People might be longing for a return to the Obama years. That's what I fear.
Posted by: 496 at November 24, 2021 01:42 PM (VJsqe)


Mooch has feral cunning, but she's a racist and dumber the AOC. A real debate without the cockblocking of the MFM would see her dissolve into an incoherent screech.

The next GOP candidate needs to insist on a one-on-one debate with no moderators. And when the Dem refuses, continually call them out as cowards and puppets who can't think for themselves. Insult them with Eastwood's empty chair.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 24, 2021 01:46 PM (2JVJo)

437 Biden Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm: "We're working through an energy transition. And weve got to start by adding energy, and the reality is,

we have to take some time to get off of oil and gas, we recognize this. This is a transition."

To what, you stupid cvnt? To what?

Posted by: rickb223 at November 24, 2021 01:46 PM (OCTRt)

438 "Always love your analysis and would love for you to continue contributing here."

Please write about satellite engineering. That would be cool.

Posted by: gp's Dark Energy Acceleration at November 24, 2021 01:46 PM (qpX6U)

439 423 LOL, yes, it is, at least in my book. Years ago, my brother came up with a portmanteau of poindexter and pendejo and came up with PenDexter.
Posted by: jim

I knew I should have bought that ball cap I saw in a Shell station.

"Que Miras Pendejo"

Posted by: rickb223 at November 24, 2021 01:44 PM (OCTRt)

The other day, someone was telling me a quote (which I cannot remember the attribution):
"Languages without curse words are dead; Spanish is very much alive."

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 24, 2021 01:46 PM (ynpvh)

440 There's one big problem with MO running for anything, and when Q was doing the Q thing, he'd highlight it every chance he got by putting a "target bracket" on her pelvis.

Posted by: artemis at November 24, 2021 01:47 PM (AwPyG)

441 we are in the era of abnormal politics so just as normal psychology does not apply to abnormal folks, ordinary political guides are less useful as predictors in abnormal times.
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We slipped through a wormhole in space. Trump got elected and after that. . . anything is possible . . . good and bad.

Under these circumstances, seek not the wisdom of men, because God is the only thing going to get you through this mess.

Posted by: yea verily yea at November 24, 2021 01:47 PM (NKXiA)

442 If you are interested in that sort of generational politics, one guy that is pretty sharp is Walter Dean Burnham discussing realignments of politics in history. Others focus on a great metacycle of actions over time.

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I'll look him up. I've read a lot from Howe and Stauss. The Boomer generation is a fascinating one to me. The Millenial generation doesn't fascinate me at all, maybe scares me. But ultimately, I don't think they will have as much influence as the Boomers.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at November 24, 2021 01:47 PM (sX1BW)

443 427 So white nationalists will be rioting and looting tonight, right?
_____________

White people have the privilege of not being able to riot about unfair jury verdicts.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at November 24, 2021 01:48 PM (k4dH2)

444 He's not arguing hypotheticals. He's arguing specifics and reality. Politics is about emotion, and, "Well, Biden just ran the better campaign last time. Oh well, we'll try again," doesn't inspire anything. "Biden stole your country from you for his own graft and to make you suffer for trying to hold yourselves up," is much better.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, holy crap, John Ford made a lot of movies in the 1930s at November 24, 2021 12:56 PM (3EWns)

THIS.

Saying that 'the election was stolen', while powerful, isn't enough. Trump needs to make a simple, coherent case that it was. The MSM screaming that it wasn't at every turn like a mantra just tells you that they really, really don't want this delved into in any detail. This is why Durham is so important. If he shows that the predicate is fake, it sets up everything else for the LIV. We already know it, of course.

Now, to Marcus' point, you need to give people a reason to vote for you as well. A counterfactual (2nd Trump term), even if true, isn't enough. You show enough institutional corruption with the Dems, and 'burn it down, salt the earth, and start over' will be a winning slogan with everyone.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at November 24, 2021 01:49 PM (/E/BW)

445 Biden Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm: "We're working through an energy transition. And weve got to start by adding energy, and the reality is,

we have to take some time to get off of oil and gas, we recognize this. This is a transition."

To what, you stupid cvnt? To what?
==
Now that hunter biden has helped China corner the raw materials supply for battery components. Its all electrical from here out. Live in Cleveland where there is no sun for half a year? Tough Shit Move.

Posted by: yea verily yea at November 24, 2021 01:49 PM (9R4iz)

446 I did my own research. We'll have more icebreakers...in 2024.

https://bit.ly/3DPrlfT

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at November 24, 2021 01:49 PM (5HBd1)

447 371 willowed but interesting!

Racine County GOP Audits Clerk Election Rolls
23,000 voters registered using the same phone number
4,120 people registered using the date 1/1/1918 Posted by: rhennigantx at November 24, 2021 12:50 PM (yrol0)
Posted by: LASue at November 24, 2021 01:37 PM (Ed8Zd

So here is my question on this. Is this phone number the "default?" Same for the date? This could be a controversy or it could just be a case that these were registrations before that data was included so when they went to what I'm guessing is a newer record keeping system the computer just auto filled them.

Posted by: Buzzion at November 24, 2021 01:49 PM (fiH+I)

448 @431 and 436: Agreed that she's not terribly bright, and in an 'uncontrolled' situation she'd fail spectacularly. Then again, Joe Biden could barely walk and not pee his pants at the same time but the media carried him over the line.

Also there are so many idiots who will see her and think fondly of Obama and pull the lever because she makes them feel good. $5/gallon gas be damned, they're idiots and are hell-bent on proving it.

Posted by: 496 at November 24, 2021 01:50 PM (VJsqe)

449 Is it just me, or does anyone else get the sense that Whig has a rather low opinion of the intellect of the masses? I'm not saying no.....

Posted by: pep

Not really pep, the masses more or less do not spend time thinking about political matters and they do not base their thinking on axioms but rather experience. This is similar to the way that expert information is processed.

Read Yankelovich who was a pollster back in the day and his book Coming to Public Judgment. People in general have outcome preferences but not policy preferences. When presented with novel information, public polling produces indecisive results. However, over time, based on experience, the public at large can reach a verdict on policies and political figures based on experience that is both stable and durable that is usually quite sound.

Posted by: whig at November 24, 2021 01:51 PM (9hXN1)

450 Did he predict Trump won WI, PA?
Posted by: rhomboid
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In polling, predicting who wins is not the measure of accuracy. It is how close you got the final numbers.

Baris had Trump by 1 in WI, the final "official" number was Biden by 0.0001% (or whatever 20K votes is). His Trump +1 was a lot closer than the ABC Biden +11 that dropped just before the election.

Even taking out the noise from cheating, you can see that he called those states correctly.

Posted by: Dave in Fla (fC3dn) at November 24, 2021 01:51 PM (5p7BC)

451 "Roman" is the French term for Novel. Livre is the word for book

I believe it had something to do with the Romantic movement but I am not sure.

Don Quixote by Cervantes and The Celestina by Rojas may be the first modern novels

Posted by: Kindltot at November 24, 2021 01:51 PM (P9T5R)

452 250 @233

Yeah, I'm kinda surprised by the 65+ numbers. It doesn't seem to comport with what I'm seeing, I guess.

My in-laws are in this group. The Democrats are foresquare against every thing they believe, but they watch the news, so they vote Democrat. It's gotten so bad I cannot stand to be around them anymore. Gotta get through tomorrow. If I hear one word about "crossing state lines" or "17 year old vigilante" I'm gonna lose it and shove a turkey up someone's ass.

Posted by: SMFH at November 24, 2021 01:53 PM (u/7wY)

453 For everyone else, all he needs to say is "How am I going to make things better for you? I'm going to enact the same America-first policies I did from 2017 through FEB 2020 which ushered in the greatest economy in history."
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at November 24, 2021 01:35 PM (Do5/p)


That's going to be difficult to do now. No will want to invest thinking that in four years the dems could steal another election(s) and make all investments a waste. With continuity of economic policy and the trust in those policies broken by this junta, people just aren't going to respond the same.

Posted by: My name is Jose Jimanez at November 24, 2021 01:53 PM (Fs5vw)

454 To continue, the general public (apart from ideologues) use inferential logic based on what they see in their experiences. Ideologues based their logic on deduction by applying axioms to evaluate empirical evidence.

Posted by: whig at November 24, 2021 01:53 PM (9hXN1)

455 Even taking out the noise from cheating, you can see that he called those states correctly.
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So I know the cheated. I knew it the next day. It couldn't explain it or establish an argument except on circumstances. However, at this point, with Dave's data, and the work of others, its pretty obvious what they did and how. However, its gotten to the point where nobody will do anything about it because talking about a do over, a year after the fact. Most court's will just say, its a political issue and let another election or two solve it.

Its the same reason the Judge would direct a verdict for Kyle, although he had every legal reason to do so. He had every practical and political reason not to do so. Judges will NOT be our salvation. Not.

Posted by: yea verily yea at November 24, 2021 01:55 PM (211wf)

456 My in-laws are in this group. The Democrats are foresquare against every thing they believe, but they watch the news, so they vote Democrat.
Posted by: SMFH at November 24, 2021 01:53 PM (u/7wY)

Same with my mom. I think part of her conservatism is believing what "the authorities" tell her. And she's old enough that she considers the Big Three networks to be authorities and anyone who disagrees with them to be a conspiracy nut.

Posted by: 29Victor at November 24, 2021 01:56 PM (BJKQV)

457 449 Is it just me, or does anyone else get the sense that Whig has a rather low opinion of the intellect of the masses? I'm not saying no.....

Posted by: pep

Not really pep, the masses more or less do not spend time thinking about political matters and they do not base their thinking on axioms but rather experience. This is similar to the way that expert information is processed.

Read Yankelovich who was a pollster back in the day and his book Coming to Public Judgment. People in general have outcome preferences but not policy preferences. When presented with novel information, public polling produces indecisive results. However, over time, based on experience, the public at large can reach a verdict on policies and political figures based on experience that is both stable and durable that is usually quite sound.
Posted by: whig at November 24, 2021 01:51 PM (9hXN1)

Pep, read Bryan Caplan's The Myth of the Rational Voter. The main thrust of his thesis is true, IMO.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at November 24, 2021 01:56 PM (/E/BW)

458 I'm not old. Cranky, though... Perhaps *just* a little. But I don't care for this anymore than any other soap opera. Elections matter as much as Days of Our Restless Lives or whatever the ladies watch.

I suppose I prefer Trump inasmuch as its less boring than the old incontinent duffer, but it makes no difference to how Jarrett and her Statist goons run America.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 24, 2021 01:57 PM (Zhwz2)

459 romans = novel

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at November 24, 2021 01:57 PM (UHVv4)

460 Has someone been socking Dave this whole thread???
Posted by: Doof
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No, the (fC3dn) is a joke. If the "3" was a "B", what would the hash be?

Posted by: Dave in Fla (fC3dn) at November 24, 2021 01:58 PM (5p7BC)

461 454 To continue, the general public (apart from ideologues) use inferential logic based on what they see in their experiences. Ideologues based their logic on deduction by applying axioms to evaluate empirical evidence.
Posted by: whig at November 24, 2021 01:53 PM (9hXN1)

Yeah, but a lot of middle-class women vote entirely based upon which of their percieved peer groups is applying the greatest amount of social pressure. And they tend to decide elections.

Posted by: 29Victor at November 24, 2021 02:00 PM (BJKQV)

462 No, the (fC3dn) is a joke. If the "3" was a "B", what would the hash be?
Posted by: Dave in Fla (fC3dn)

Now see?

We can have nice things.

Posted by: Miklos at Work at November 24, 2021 02:02 PM (QzkSJ)

463 Hobby. My profession is engineering focused on satellites.

Posted by: Dave in Fla (fC3dn) at November 24, 2021 01:20 PM

So you're Dave... Matthews?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAamgBPebsk

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at November 24, 2021 02:03 PM (Do5/p)

464 They've know all this for a year, now, and are slowly closing the net. You don't hear much about it, but the same sort of thing in PA and MI.

So I think its a coordinated strategy/rollout



Trust the Plan (tm)

When their coordinated strategy/rollout reaches its triumphant conclusion. We all can share a toast - of swill in the camps where we've been herded by the regime

Posted by: Hands at November 24, 2021 02:04 PM (786Ro)

465 Trump keeps alluding to the "stolen" election. If keeps prominently on that path, he loses.

I respectfully disagree. The election was stolen, and every audit and lawsuit since then has increasingly proven it. I am not saying Teh Donald should make it the centerpoint of his campaign (frankly, he should steal Reagan's line about 'are you better off?'), but sweeping aside the blatant theft of 2020 - aided and abetted by an utterly corrupt MFM and a gutless GOP - as just 'average politics' lays the groundwork for handwaving away any future Democrat theft.

2020 was a stolen election. Biden and his tyrannical junta are illegitimate and resistance to them is the highest form of patriotism. Shout it loud, shout it proud and shove it down the left's throats until they choke.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 24, 2021 12:59 PM (2JVJo)


Every election in the US since forever has been stolen. Every inner city machine has been stuffing boxes while discouraging voting to win control of the surrounding states. This must be crushed out now.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 24, 2021 02:20 PM (eoQWY)

466 Just for the record, the drug companies have admitted that half of the shots are placebos. Which may well be an understatement, but if you take them at their word, you can double the Adverse Events reports and double the risk estimate.

Posted by: Beverly at November 24, 2021 02:20 PM (yxNSg)

467 This is CRAP statistics. Not all 330 million people in the U.S. have been exposed to covid. The risk of dying from covid is somewhere between 769K/#of confirmed cases and 769K/330 million.

Not everyone who had covid was tested for it, so official risk of dying based on confirmed cases will overestimate the risk IMO. But people who were going only .00x of people are dying back in early 2020 when only a few percent of people had been exposed yet drove me crazy and even today it is completely wrong to use total population for risk of dying.
Posted by: PaleRide, unvaxxed and anti-mandate at November 24, 2021 01:41 PM (3cGpq)

The 769 number is also crap. Several CA counties revised down their COVID death numbers by 35 percent. That almost certainly didn't percolate out to the MSM.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 24, 2021 02:25 PM (eoQWY)

468 But first you will blow me!

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at November 24, 2021 02:38 PM (UHVv4)

469 Heres another gem from Molly Jong Fast, from yesterday:

Biden Needs an Enemy

https://tinyurl.com/2r3j9mmw

Posted by: Gref

This. She was not joking. In this article she calls on Biden to go after the totalitarians in Red States who are opposing the Devine Will of Xhoa Beijing.

Serious as a heart attack. As Schlichter says, buy guns and ammo. The time of travails is coming.

Posted by: Loki at November 24, 2021 02:53 PM (ZW1rs)

470 you are increasing your risk by 2260%

Which compares what two numbers?

Posted by: jdm at November 24, 2021 04:49 PM (USEoR)

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