Soup and Scholars

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To study Shakespeare is to receive a grand education in human nature, as his characters reveal unforgettable lessons about human desire, choice, vice, and virtue.

And here's the Hillsdale course on Mark Twain.

And their 1776 curriculum

Did you see Bluebell's great post on homeschooling (Part 1 of 2)? I was impressed.

I have been sort of corresponding on social media with some people I don't really know who are homeschooling or who are preparing to switch to homeschooling, because they are tremendously alarmed about changes in the public schools. I also personally know some charter school teachers and people who home school, say, one of their kids while their other kids are in public school. I don't think homeschooling is necessarily an all-or-nothing proposition. Years ago, my cousin had "school time with Mom" after school with her kids. She was also in a group of parents who planned enrichment activities with their kids.

The common factor among all these parents and teachers is that they really pay attention to the education of children.

I am looking forward to Bluebell's second installment, which I think will be coming up soon.

Here, I would like to touch on some of the possibilities for replacing forgettable online content, dreary textbooks and modern middle school literary offerings (plus elementary and middle school porn) with classic books and classical education for both adults and children. I mean, some of the alternatives are grim and depressing. A home school setting makes these kinds of replacements much easier than they would be in a public school. The people who are trying to change the public schools are having some significant struggles. Yay, Bluebell for going the homeschool route!

But first, Thanksgiving is coming up. We can't eat turkey non-stop. For some reason, I have been thinking about soup.

Soup's On

Pumpkin pie was dissed in Sunday's Food Thread. I didn't see the proper serving technique for most pumpkin pie mentioned:

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Fog is in the air here. People are slightly wet when they come in the house. The dogs are always muddy when they come in from outdoors. I don't feel like cooking much, especially with Thanksgiving prep underway. I have been thinking about soup. I noticed a request for Ace's Pumpkin sausage soup in Sunday's Food Thread. It uses canned pumpkin, but fancy folks could use fresh. A way to use Thanksgiving pumpkin (or winter squash) other than pie:

This is one of the best soups I've ever had. I've never hunted, but this is the kind of soup you want when you get home in the pitch darkness of 6:00 pm and want to eat and warm up.

I think of it as "Autumn in a Bowl."

There's also a tip for low-carb eggnog at the link above.

I also found a couple of different pumpkin soup recipes linked to the nic of one of the commenters at the Food Thread. The first is Cream of Jack-o-Lantern Soup.

It includes fresh pumpkin (you can use jack-o-lantern carving leftovers), tomato and green onion. You can add sausage if you like:

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The second is more exotic, Cream of Coconut Jack-o-Lantern Soup:

This is a very different recipe from last year's cream of jack-o-lantern. That was a down-to-earth, homey recipe; this is more elegant. The ginger really puts it over the top. I keep fresh ginger in the freezer. When I buy ginger for a recipe, I peel what I don't need, chop it into about one-or-two-tablespoon chunks, wrap each chunk individually in plastic wrap, and put it all in a plastic bag in the freezer. When it thaws, it is very soft and easily mashed or finely chopped; it is not easily sliced, as it no longer has much in the way of solidity.

For all its elegance, this is still a soup made from the body parts of your Hallowe'en pumpkin, a device ostensibly meant to protect you from evil spirits. Last year I wrote "horror movies start this way", and... the 2020 election was only three days after Hallowe'en.

Take that as you will.

Are you thinking about soup, too? Got a recipe to share?

Classical Education

In addition to recipes, the blog with those two soup recipes above also included a link to this piece in the Federalist: How Rural Colorado Parents Created A 'No Politics' Public School In Just One Year:

The new public school went from idea to reality in just one year, opening K-8 with plans to grow into high school. As a classical school, it offers a low-screen, high-relationship environment and a focus on creative and critical thinking through careful attention to classic works and traditional approaches to math and science. These are things parents wanted that weren't available through the Woodland Park School District, which like many in the nation has become computer-centered over the last several years. . .

Dill and his wife are so committed to the concept of a great public school accessible to all in their community that they stopped homeschooling their twin eighth-grade daughters for it. So did others on their board, some hired as Merit teachers, and some who have enrolled their kids. The school offers Friday classes and other programming to homeschoolers as part-time students.

Homeschooling was working perfectly well for his family, Dill said, they just felt they could do more than take care of their own education needs - - they could also help others. As patriots, they needed to.

"I'm a rural kid from the mountains of Maine looking at the rural kids in the mountains of Colorado and saying, 'This isn't right, they need to be educated too,'" Dill said. "If our nation is ever to get better, we need better schools."

So, I guess if you have a spare 9,000 volunteer hours and lots of community support, you can turn your homeschooling arrangement into a public school more suitable that most which are currently available.

This is an American story about parents and community members working together. And they make a special effort to work with home schoolers. I see no mention of unions.

Why the emphasis on "no politics" at the school above?

I ran across an interesting thread on the SPLC's equivalent to a Christian youth camp, run through public high schools:

For grad school, I've been doing an evaluation of a program designed by the SPLC to increase awareness of topics like racism and social justice. The program has been implemented by local high schools, and it's presented as a weekend retreat.

The program is openly informed by critical race theory. They do not hide that information.

This program serves the same purpose as a Christian youth retreat. It seeks to deepen faith, promote internal reflection, and develop language that will enable evangelism.

So many parallels have been drawn between historical Christianity and the Woke (for lack of a better term). It's so clear it's a new religion, and this is just one more piece of evidence to support that claim.

One response:

I took a walk through Prague w/ a tour guide (she was a 10 y o when the regime fell). Her father was a safety engineer (the subsidized industry failed) who also worked at youth indoctrination camps. He repaired furnaces to survive. She always referred to them as "the communists"

Oh. And here are kids being separated by race in Manhattan. Yay, CRT!

What is "classical education"?

Discuss. Dozens of new classical schools launching next August.

The thing we are really looking for, though, is results. Whether from a "classical school" or from a home school using classical school principles and techniques.

Classic Books

Hillsdale has a free online course on classic children's literature.

Classic children's literature teaches readers of all ages to see more clearly the truth about the world and human nature. Through beautiful narratives and vivid characters, these stories prepare young minds to receive the truth and encourage them to fall in love with virtue.

C.S. Lewis argued that "a children's story which is enjoyed only by children is a bad children's story." In fact, the greatest children's literature not only delights young and old alike but also cultivates an imagination disposed towards right reason and virtuous action.

John Kass wrote a great piece that was published by the Chicago Tribune on the terrible prospect of erasing classic literature for kids.

Classic Western literature, from Homer to Shakespeare, Mark Twain and even Harper Lee, is now being canceled, much in the same way that the Islamic State group and early Christians destroyed ancient statues that offended them.

There is something quite barbarous about it all.

Just a few days ago, zealots in San Francisco began stripping "offensive names" from public schools. Names such as George Washington, Abraham Lincoln and even Democratic U.S. Sen. Diane Feinstein, who is a living witness to her own cancellation.

The stripping of names are public events. They pit aging, worried traditional liberals against a radical leftist movement that will devour them as surely as the relentless Bolsheviks devoured the more moderate Mensheviks.

But the purging of great literature often takes place quietly, among woke teachers and librarians. If the classics aren't exactly banned outright or burned, they have another way:

To place offending literature on the back shelf, out of the reach of the young, where they're lost to gather dust in the shadows. . .

Grace on Twitter is a great source for homeschoolers and classical schooling. Here is a thread on people's favorite books of ancient lore from around the world. Do you have favorite ancient stories?

Can we teach kids to get excited about old books and old bookstores? Even 100 year old textbooks? Imagine having kids this curious about the world:

Found some really cool 100+ year-old textbooks on my last thrifting expedition for books. First, a Latin primer for Hungarian students published in Budapest in 1912.

The alternative presented to the youths of today:

There was some dumb stuff written a hundred years ago. But still. If the choice is between "classical" and "postmodern", which type of education would you choose for your kids?

P.s. Maybe some of those homeschoolers might have time to learn a musical instrument.

Music

Bach

Posted by: K.T. at 02:45 PM




Comments

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1 Return of the Jedi is anti-feminist?

You bet your ass.

Carrie Fisher putting a Harvey Weinstein analogue into a flaming unmarked grave while wearing gold leaf lingerie is the height of anti-third and fourth wave feminism.

Posted by: fringe at November 23, 2021 02:46 PM (eoAMM)

2 I stopped to read the thread.

Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at November 23, 2021 02:46 PM (bVYXr)

3 Cobs are bringing it today!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at November 23, 2021 02:47 PM (kTF2Z)

4 Before, or perhaps coincident with, parents start pushing the classics on their kids, I suggest they demonstrate buy-in by reading an online classic themselves. Fortunately, there is an excellent choice in 100 Days of Dante. Or, you know, watch Oprah.

Posted by: pep at November 23, 2021 02:49 PM (ZsR3z)

5 BTW, I'm really, really hoping for an online Moby Dick.

Posted by: pep at November 23, 2021 02:50 PM (ZsR3z)

6 I could use a bowl, it's cold outside of

Posted by: Skip's Phone at November 23, 2021 02:50 PM (zVLFB)

7 pep at November 23, 2021 02:49 PM

Absolutely. Adults set the pattern.

Posted by: KT at November 23, 2021 02:51 PM (0ghg2)

8 Wow, this is a perfect complement to my homeschooling post! Thanks, KT!

Posted by: bluebell at November 23, 2021 02:51 PM (wyw4S)

9 likemotherlikedaughter.org has had some posts on having a home library for your kids. They also tend to have posts on homeschooling. Might be a good resource.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at November 23, 2021 02:51 PM (5HBd1)

10 Who that bald fag?

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 23, 2021 02:51 PM (UuD2k)

11 I have a GREAT book about the proper relationship between teachers, parents, and administrators written in 1918. The author was the superintendent of an Ohio school district or something like that...

Corson, O.T. (191. Our public schools: Their teachers, pupils, and patrons (2nd Ed.). Columbus, OH: The Heer Press.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 23, 2021 02:52 PM (YIVH2)

12 Pumpkin Poke Cake beats pumpkin pie silly.

Posted by: irright at November 23, 2021 02:52 PM (SchQD)

13 Those women in the book are under socialism because they're being rraped.

Posted by: Northernlurker at November 23, 2021 02:52 PM (cSyAR)

14 KT. That piece of pumpkin pie looks fabulous.
Probably do hot ham sandwiches and mushroom soup for lunch tomorrow while prepping for Tday. Out of town company will be here and that's about as much energy as I'm willing to expend on lunch.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at November 23, 2021 02:53 PM (2NHgQ)

15 Poke Salad > Pumpkin Poke Cake > pumpkin pie.

Posted by: pep at November 23, 2021 02:53 PM (ZsR3z)

16 Shakespeare looks like he's giving someone the side eye? Who? Francis Bacon?

Posted by: Northernlurker at November 23, 2021 02:54 PM (cSyAR)

17 BTW, I'm really, really hoping for an online Moby Dick.
Posted by: pep at November 23, 2021 02:50 PM (ZsR3z)
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Probably the only way I'd get through Moby Dick would be listening to an audiobook while I clean the house.

I'm loving 100 Days of Dante though. I started reading The Divine Comedy a couple of years ago for my book club and I've been stuck in Purgatorio ever since.

Posted by: bluebell at November 23, 2021 02:54 PM (wyw4S)

18 My daughter is a voracious reader. She has read Jane Eyre, The Great Gatsby, Pride and Prejudice multiple times each. The boy, OTOH, nope

Posted by: jmel at November 23, 2021 02:54 PM (RWHIh)

19 Whipped Cream with a pumpkin pie center...!!!
I have 2 slices everyday...have been eating the same bakery pumpkin pie for 50yrs and they only make it for 3 weeks...I consume!!!

Posted by: qmark at November 23, 2021 02:54 PM (nGOuT)

20 I can sympathize with the Tweet by Marie Oaks. It always used to annoy me (still does) to hear progs laud the literacy rates of communist countries, where people can only read lies.

Posted by: Paco at November 23, 2021 02:54 PM (njExo)

21 When I substitute taught for a while, I was dismayed at how boring history textbooks had become. And how math textbooks had harder English than English textbooks.

Also, many of the books for first and second graders were absolutely charming (unlike when I was in school). But for middle school, literature has digressed to navel-gazing, emotion-based contemporary offerings that are really depressing.

Posted by: KT at November 23, 2021 02:54 PM (0ghg2)

22 Anything that begins as "no politics" will be cooped by the Left in short order.

Posted by: ... at November 23, 2021 02:54 PM (ijM9e)

23 Pumpkin. Yuck.

Posted by: Jordan61 at November 23, 2021 02:55 PM (Ez6QX)

24 15 Poke Salad > Pumpkin Poke Cake > pumpkin pie.
Posted by: pep at November 23, 2021 02:53 PM (ZsR3z)

Dammit! Now I'm going have Poke Salad Annie song in my head the rest of the day.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 23, 2021 02:55 PM (UuD2k)

25 loved rikki tikki tavi as a kid, still good reading today

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at November 23, 2021 02:55 PM (M+Lyo)

26 Pumpkin nut soup with sausage looks tasty.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 23, 2021 02:55 PM (8m1jA)

27 "I love soup. Or is it duck? Which is the one you shoot?"

- ADM Tug Benson

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 23, 2021 02:55 PM (m+jkK)

28
I'm loving 100 Days of Dante though.


I hope it's the start of a trend, and that the model they used becomes a revolution in how the classics are taught, in the same way the Ken Burns' Civil War revolutionized documentaries.

Posted by: pep at November 23, 2021 02:55 PM (ZsR3z)

29 If you draw a line straight from the direction Shakespeare is looking it will lead you to site on Oak Island where his manuscripts are buried.

Posted by: Northernlurker at November 23, 2021 02:56 PM (cSyAR)

30 But for middle school, literature has digressed to navel-gazing, emotion-based contemporary offerings that are really depressing.

But enough about Catcher in the Rye.

Posted by: pep at November 23, 2021 02:56 PM (ZsR3z)

31 bluebell at November 23, 2021 02:51 PM

Your post was inspiring, Bluebell!

Posted by: KT at November 23, 2021 02:57 PM (0ghg2)

32 Jmel - she might like The Woman in White by Wilkie Collins. I'd also recommend The Tenant of Wildfell Hall, but that one is a little harder going than others.

Posted by: Mrs. Peel at November 23, 2021 02:57 PM (/29pe)

33 Is Shakespeare sporting an earring?

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at November 23, 2021 02:57 PM (sX1BW)

34 Thanks for the thread KT!

I realized recently, I need to get far more familiar with Shakespeare. I've been collecting some of the No Fear Shakespeare titles from Amazon. Already got Hamlet, Macbeth and Romeo & Juliet, and want to get Othello and Julius Caesar next, in fact.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 23, 2021 02:57 PM (L2ZTs)

35
My daughter was somewhat surprised when her parents, both (private school) teachers, gave her a pile of money to start her home-schooling experience.

Public school is sanctioned child abuse.

Posted by: Traitor Joe's Military Surplus at November 23, 2021 02:58 PM (dQvv7)

36 My daughter is a voracious reader. She has read Jane Eyre, The Great Gatsby, Pride and Prejudice multiple times each. The boy, OTOH, nope

Give it time. (trigger warning) Boys and girls are different.

Also, make sure there are books available to him that appeal to boys. These usually include war and/or adventure.

Posted by: pep at November 23, 2021 02:58 PM (ZsR3z)

37 More women of color are beginning to recognize the benefits of homeschooling, if what I'm seeing locally is an indicator.

Posted by: kallisto at November 23, 2021 02:58 PM (DJFLF)

38 25 loved rikki tikki tavi as a kid, still good reading today
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at November 23, 2021 02:55 PM (M+Lyo)

I found a baby mongoose once and tried to makehim a pet. I named him Bitey. He escaped.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 23, 2021 02:58 PM (Y5qcH)

39 Is Shakespeare sporting an earring?

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe)

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How have I never noticed this before?

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at November 23, 2021 02:59 PM (sX1BW)

40 Biden is asking the 6th Circuit to over rule the 5th circuit injunction of the vaccine mandate. I didn't know the courts worked like that. I guess 6 is bigger than 5?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at November 23, 2021 02:59 PM (9HRiP)

41 Cobs are bringing it today!

Absolutely. I mean Ace is... well Ace and irreplaceable and while the HQ is certainly different while he's away, I can't say that it's lacking.

Posted by: Oddbob at November 23, 2021 02:59 PM (nfrXX)

42 Pumpkin pie was dissed in Sunday's Food Thread.

I'm a fan. However a few years ago I maxed out on it and haven't been able to even look at it since.

Posted by: kallisto at November 23, 2021 03:00 PM (DJFLF)

43 Biden is asking the 6th Circuit to over rule the 5th circuit injunction of the vaccine mandate. I didn't know the courts worked like that. I guess 6 is bigger than 5?

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The 5th made the initial ruling - injunction - but suits were brought in all the circuits so there was a lottery to see which one would get it from there. The 6th won.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at November 23, 2021 03:01 PM (sX1BW)

44 There was some dumb stuff written a hundred years ago. But still. If the choice is between "classical" and "postmodern", which type of education would you choose for your kids?

Posted by: K.T. at 02:45 PM

Most of the stuff that ends up surviving as classical is the good stuff. It's not that the contemporary situation wasn't comparably bad(though we're pretty clearly at a relative low point), it's that we disregard most material from any era, correctly, as trash. Although as far as human organization and governance goes, the good material from each age and culture is practically duplicative. People haven't changed.

Shakespeare isn't an average joe writer of his era.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 23, 2021 03:01 PM (z5Vrg)

45 pep at November 23, 2021 02:56 PM

Catcher in the Rye was intended for adults. Schools of Education were the culprits in pushing it onto kids.

The new ones are generally much more shallow, but still depressing.

Posted by: KT at November 23, 2021 03:01 PM (0ghg2)

46 If I was to be responsible for educating children all of a sudden it would be homeschool for sure. I think I could teach most everything except algebra and maybe biology. But hey, history is more important in my opinion.

Posted by: Eromero at November 23, 2021 03:01 PM (0OP+5)

47 Hillsdale is great.
Check it out and put some knowledge.

Posted by: Roland THTG at November 23, 2021 03:01 PM (j40lz)

48 I just realized both of those works are epistolary. I am a total sucker for epistolary novels. Did you know Pride & Prejudice started as epistolary? That's why there are so many letters in the story.

I'm actually kinda sorta writing an epistolary story myself, but it's told in emails and text messages between the main characters, plus the occasional bit from a website. I've been stuck on it for a while. Does anyone want to read what I have so far? It's about a general contractor who builds lairs for supervillains while not having superpowers herself. She hires a new employee, a Gen Z type who's quite enthusiastic, just as she starts building a volcano lair for an old friend of hers. It's pretty funny IMO, but I am having trouble convincing myself to keep writing.

Posted by: Mrs. Peel at November 23, 2021 03:01 PM (/29pe)

49 I have to work, so I can't really comment on this thread as much as I would like.

I have no children (I would be a terrible father), but I could teach mediaeval history and English history if I had them and homeschooled.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 23, 2021 03:01 PM (2JVJo)

50 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - Michael Byrd MURDERED Ashli Babbitt at November 23, 2021 03:02 PM (Zz0t1)

51 Jmel - she might like The Woman in White by Wilkie Collins. I'd also recommend The Tenant of Wildfell Hall, but that one is a little harder going than others.
Posted by: Mrs. Peel at November 23, 2021 02:57 PM (/29pe)
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I just read The Woman in White. I checked it out of my library for my Kindle so I had no idea how long it was. I knew something was up when I kept tapping to turn the pages and the percent read wouldn't change for a while. I finally looked it up and saw that it's over 800 pages.

It was a very good book. I was almost in despair for our protagonists the whole first half of the book but I'm glad I kept going.

Posted by: bluebell at November 23, 2021 03:02 PM (wyw4S)

52

Isaac Asimov has a two volume guide to Shakespeare which is very helpful in sorting out some of the more esoteric references.

Posted by: My Pimp Shot My Dealer at November 23, 2021 03:02 PM (xo7B8)

53 22 Anything that begins as "no politics" will be cooped by the Left in short order.

Might that be  « coopted »

Posted by: Homeschooler at November 23, 2021 03:02 PM (qwO6y)

54 Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at November 23, 2021 02:59 PM (9HRiP)

oh, judge-shopping I see

Posted by: kallisto at November 23, 2021 03:02 PM (DJFLF)

55 Viking mythology was the ticket.

Posted by: Braenard at November 23, 2021 03:02 PM (QQcV5)

56 My daughter is a voracious reader. She has read Jane Eyre, The Great Gatsby, Pride and Prejudice multiple times each. The boy, OTOH, nope
Posted by: jmel at November 23, 2021 02:54 PM (RWHIh)

While I like Pride and Prejudice, the others are awful books speaking as a guy. Try him on books about sports stars, explorers, adventurers, whatever he is interested in and see if he doesn't read more.

If you want a classic, Lord of the Flies is a boys book.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 23, 2021 03:02 PM (eoQWY)

57 Women like it underneath cuz they just lie there. Typical Socialist.

Posted by: Puddin Head at November 23, 2021 03:02 PM (Hudry)

58 Pumpkin ravioli this time of year is a favorite. We have it as a side dish at Thanksgiving dinner.

One of the grandsons is coming over tomorrow to make pumpkin pies from pie pumpkins. We did this last year and I hope it becomes a tradition.

Posted by: Beartooth at November 23, 2021 03:02 PM (KTaZ8)

59 Children's books . . . I'd plump for Watership Down, the thriller about English rabbits, except that is long and doesn't really begin to rev up until you hit the part about rabbit abnormal psychology. (If you've read it, you know what I mean.) Maybe hold off on it until the kids are 13 or so.

Aside from that, Heinlein's "juvenile" SF novels; C.S. Lewis's fiction; they are all fairly short, unlike Tolkien's, except The Hobbit. I grew up with the Whitman TV Authorized Editions, original novels for "young readers" featuring Roy Rogers, Dale Evans, Paladin, Maverick, and the like. Many of them I have now, and they are still readable by adults. Without the TV reference, however, young readers might not care for them or understand them (except that they have an illustration of a scene in each chapter). But then I leaped to James Bond, the Alfred Hitchcock short story anthologies, and then Rex Stout and Ellery Queen. So my boyhood reading was . . . atypical. (Not to mention peeking into my mother's nursing texts. You haven't lived until you've seen pics of elephantiasis.)

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 23, 2021 03:02 PM (txdEq)

60 Best Buy CEO says the trauma from rising retail thefts could force employees to quit

Posted by: SMOD at November 23, 2021 03:03 PM (RHGPo)

61 Catcher in the Rye was intended for adults.

Really? I thought it was mawkish, adolescent dreck when I read it as a freshman in HS.

Posted by: pep at November 23, 2021 03:03 PM (ZsR3z)

62 I'm listening to the Audible version of David Copperfield. The narrator but the book is 36 hours of listening, which is too much for me.

Posted by: Northernlurker at November 23, 2021 03:03 PM (cSyAR)

63 I make a Butternut Squash and Italian Sausage soup that is better than good, but it really too much trouble to make more than once a year and I'm saving it for Christmas. Oh and thank you for showing the proper way to serve pumpkin pie. No one here believed me.

Posted by: Javems at November 23, 2021 03:03 PM (rTbbK)

64 I have a superficial familiarty with Shakespeare. To wit:


To Bother or Not To Bother - a limerick

It's the start of a worrisome trend
But I didn't watch the play to the end
So I'm embarrassed to say
That to this very day
I thought Hamlet was Pooh's little friend

Posted by: Muldoon at November 23, 2021 03:03 PM (m45I2)

65 I also just got a paperback copy of Casino Royale, by Ian Fleming.

How many Bond books did Ian actually write?

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 23, 2021 03:03 PM (L2ZTs)

66 I went to a Catholic school for a few years (2nd through 7th grade), then moved to Texas and finished in public schools. It was way different between the two. I was mostly bored in public schools.

They've gotten much worse. Too many teachers aren't teaching and have agendas that only serve to harm the learning process.

Sad.

Posted by: Sponge - Michael Byrd MURDERED Ashli Babbitt at November 23, 2021 03:04 PM (Zz0t1)

67 Ahh, Bach.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at November 23, 2021 03:04 PM (vuisn)

68 Biden administration files emergency order to immediately reinstate its sweeping vaccine mandate on private companies after an appeals court knocked it down and its enforcement was suspended

if this were Trump, they would be holding impeachment hearing over his refusal to defer to the judiciary.

Posted by: SMOD at November 23, 2021 03:04 PM (RHGPo)

69 My mom had beautiful Palmer handwriting, and she hated mine since I did block letters. When she died I started practicing, and eventually decided to go all in and go with dip and fountain pens to write with.

Ballpoints are simple you can use them like a crayon or a pencil but fountain and dip pens need technique, otherwise you smear and rip the page.

Palmer was developed for clear quick writing with a fountain pen, Spencer was developed for dip pens, and it wasn't until I started using those pens that I realized what the cursive was trying to do. I do love a pretty bit of handwriting.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 23, 2021 03:04 PM (P9T5R)

70 is "maxed out" a place?? sounds sad ...

Posted by: qmark at November 23, 2021 03:04 PM (nGOuT)

71 I love punkin pie.

Books for boys - The Most Dangerous Game is a classic short story. You can't really go wrong with Wells or Verne (The Time Machine, Journey to the Center of the Earth, etc.). The Jungle Books. Sherlock Holmes.

Boys also sometimes like nonfiction better. Two Years Before the Mast is an American classic, and it is RIVETING. I couldn't put it down even though I have zero interest in boats.

Posted by: Mrs. Peel at November 23, 2021 03:05 PM (/29pe)

72 3 Cobs are bringing it today!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at November 23, 2021 02:47 PM (kTF2Z)


Yes they are, and I would thank them for their efforts, if that were still allowed.

Posted by: a.moron at November 23, 2021 03:05 PM (tu3iY)

73 Is Shakespeare sporting an earring?

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe)


It's known as the "Chandos portrait," after the family that owned it. But no one is actually certain that it is Shakespeare; it's simply a guess based on the time the portrait may have been painted, the subject's clothing and the likeness to other illustrations that have also been put forward as the Swan of Avon.

A nice short bio of him by Bill Bryson (I know, I know) is Shakespeare: The World as Stage:

https://tinyurl.com/b37bjkh9

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 23, 2021 03:05 PM (2JVJo)

74 Bluebell--I really enjoyed your homeschooling post yesterday. If I lived in a metropolitan area, I would certainly homeschool my kids in this day and age. Fortunately, we raised our kids in a small conservative town and the parents had significant control over what went on in the schools.

My son currently is president of the school board in a medium sized town in the most conservative county in Ohio.

Posted by: Ladyl at November 23, 2021 03:05 PM (TdMsT)

75 Might that be coopted
Posted by: Homeschooler at November 23, 2021 03:02 PM (qwO6y)

Would have been if not for autocuke

Posted by: ... at November 23, 2021 03:06 PM (ijM9e)

76 oh it was a lottery, not judge-shopping.


I was under the impression that the next step after a circuit court ruling was SCOTUS?

Posted by: kallisto at November 23, 2021 03:06 PM (DJFLF)

77 I'm listening to the Audible version of David Copperfield. The narrator but the book is 36 hours of listening, which is too much for me.
Posted by: Northernlurker at November 23, 2021 03:03 PM (cSyAR)
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Switch to Moby Dick! I just looked on our library website and it's only 25 hours. With the time you save you can write a book report for me and then I won't have to read it.

Posted by: bluebell at November 23, 2021 03:06 PM (wyw4S)

78 ooks for boys - The Most Dangerous Game is a classic short story. You can't really go wrong with Wells or Verne (The Time Machine, Journey to the Center of the Earth, etc.). The Jungle Books. Sherlock Holmes.

Boys also sometimes like nonfiction better. Two Years Before the Mast is an American classic, and it is RIVETING. I couldn't put it down even though I have zero interest in boats.


Agree with all of the above, as well as Robinson Crusoe and the Three Musketeers. For the more "mature" boy, you can't miss with Flashman.

Posted by: pep at November 23, 2021 03:06 PM (ZsR3z)

79 I have to work, so I can't really comment on this thread as much as I would like.

I have no children (I would be a terrible father), but I could teach mediaeval history and English history if I had them and homeschooled.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 23, 2021 03:01 PM (2JVJo)

Consider making podcasts recordings or videos on YT then any homeschooler might decide to use them. Seeing someone who loves a subject adds interest even if ordinarily you don't.

I have watched hours of ladies figuring out how to duplicate Roman and Medieval hairstyles using period tools, sewing Edwardian clothes, you name it.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 23, 2021 03:06 PM (eoQWY)

80 Judging by Japanese porn, they seem to be into "bathing sex" big time.

Oddly enough. The Chinese are real prudes when it comes to sex.
Most Chinese men have learned about sex by watching Japanese porn.

The Chinese steal everything.

Posted by: SMOD at November 23, 2021 03:07 PM (RHGPo)

81 Watership Down is fantastic but also has tons of nightmare fuel. Hard to recommend it to a little kid.

Fun fact - the various rabbits' personalities are based on the men Richard Adams was in the trenches with.

Posted by: Mrs. Peel at November 23, 2021 03:07 PM (/29pe)

82 Biden is asking the 6th Circuit to over rule the 5th circuit injunction of the vaccine mandate. I didn't know the courts worked like that. I guess 6 is bigger than 5?

It's not that. Somebody (whig?) explained it better last week but as I understand it, because there were multiple suits in multiple circuits, they all got consolidated as one case in some multi-jurisdiction court. That court chose one of the circuits, presumably at random, to hear the case. The one chosen was the 6th and their ruling will apply nationally unless overturned by SCOTUS.

Posted by: Oddbob at November 23, 2021 03:07 PM (nfrXX)

83 Lord of the Flies is good. Heinlein's Tunnel in the Sky turns the same idea on its head. His classic is Have Space Suit -- Will Travel, a real delight.

There is a cool "coming of age" novel called Red Sky at Morning by Richard Bradford. It is that rare novel that both is laugh-out-loud funny and has heart; and when I say "coming of age," I don't mean sexual discovery but something about an important meaning of life.

Steinbeck's Sweet Thursday is comedy and romance -- it formed the basis for the 1982 film Cannery Row. Grand stuff.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 23, 2021 03:07 PM (txdEq)

84 While I like Pride and Prejudice, the others are awful books speaking as a guy.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 23, 2021 03:02 PM (eoQWY)

That's because Jane Austen was a genius

Posted by: ... at November 23, 2021 03:07 PM (ijM9e)

85 17 BTW, I'm really, really hoping for an online Moby Dick.
Posted by: pep at November 23, 2021 02:50 PM (ZsR3z)
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I read the first chapter a few days ago. I was stunned at Melville's prose. This guy knows how to weave. Hopefully, this time I will read the whole thing.

Posted by: Puddin Head at November 23, 2021 03:08 PM (Hudry)

86 Posted by: Oddbob at November 23, 2021 03:07 PM (nfrXX)

thanks for the explanation

Posted by: kallisto at November 23, 2021 03:08 PM (DJFLF)

87 Switch to Moby Dick! I just looked on our library website and it's only 25 hours. With the time you save you can write a book report for me and then I won't have to read it.

Posted by: bluebell at November 23, 2021 03:06 PM (wyw4S)

Ah...one of them!

It's a great book.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 23, 2021 03:08 PM (xt+I7)

88 Oops, never mind.

Ian wrote 16 Bond novels and 9 short stories. He was the Stephen King of his time with spy novels apparently. (And the movies rarely share the same plots.)

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 23, 2021 03:08 PM (L2ZTs)

89 My son currently is president of the school board in a medium sized town in the most conservative county in Ohio.
Posted by: Ladyl at November 23, 2021 03:05 PM (TdMsT)
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That's wonderful! Good for him. And thank you for the kind words.

Posted by: bluebell at November 23, 2021 03:08 PM (wyw4S)

90 Lord of the Flies is good. Heinlein's Tunnel in the Sky turns the same idea on its head. His classic is Have Space Suit -- Will Travel, a real delight.

I loved anything by Arthur C. Clarke. I even persuaded my frosh English teacher to assign Childhood's End.

Posted by: pep at November 23, 2021 03:08 PM (ZsR3z)

91 Gulliver's Travels is another good one. Or The Once and Future King.

Posted by: Mrs. Peel at November 23, 2021 03:09 PM (/29pe)

92 Watership Down is fantastic but also has tons of nightmare fuel. Hard to recommend it to a little kid.

Fun fact - the various rabbits' personalities are based on the men Richard Adams was in the trenches with.
Posted by: Mrs. Peel at November 23, 2021


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Right, I'm thinking age 13-14 or older. General Woundwort is one of the great scary villains of all literature.

I hadn't heard that story. "In the trenches" -- you mean WWI? Adams was that old?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 23, 2021 03:09 PM (txdEq)

93 Another fantastic book for boys: My Side of the Mountain.

Posted by: 496 at November 23, 2021 03:09 PM (VJsqe)

94 I read the first chapter a few days ago. I was stunned at Melville's prose. This guy knows how to weave.

This guy gets it.

Posted by: pep at November 23, 2021 03:09 PM (ZsR3z)

95 I've always been meh on pumpkin pie. Now my mom's pumpkin roll is just amazing.

Posted by: Buzzion at November 23, 2021 03:09 PM (cFsny)

96 I was a voracious reader as a child--The Hardy Boys, Danny Orlis to name two serial type books but mostly anything I could get my hands on.
I remember a Grade One teacher reading something about a meadow mouse.

Posted by: Northernlurker at November 23, 2021 03:09 PM (cSyAR)

97 It never occurred to me that Shakespeare was the kind of fella to be sporting an earring like a pirate.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at November 23, 2021 03:10 PM (BPuaD)

98 If you want to know about a REAL plague, Journal of the Plague Year.

Posted by: Mrs. Peel at November 23, 2021 03:10 PM (/29pe)

99 I am a total sucker for epistolary novels.

I read a very funny novel several years ago that consists entirely of memos from a college professor. Memos to other faculty members, to administrators, and letters of recommendation. It got the small college vibe very well, from my limited experience. Dear Committee Members by Julie Schumacher.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at November 23, 2021 03:10 PM (olroh)

100 57 Women like it underneath cuz they just lie there. Typical Socialist.

Posted by: Puddin Head at November 23, 2021 03:02 PM (Hudry)


My first wife had to have her pillow adjusted just right before beginning. Under her head mind you. She wasn't into kinky.

Posted by: Javems at November 23, 2021 03:10 PM (rTbbK)

101 Dr Bone, seems that so much present-day women's fashion started off as men's fashion.

Especially high heels and hosiery.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 23, 2021 03:10 PM (L2ZTs)

102 Twelfth Night was the original teen comedy.

Buncha young rowdies who like to stay up all night drinking and partying and listening to music fight back against the old prude who wants to spoil their fun.

Yeah, there's that other plot, but this one's the fun one.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at November 23, 2021 03:10 PM (Bmy3R)

103 Some day I'll get beyond "Call me Ishmael." I promise.

Posted by: bluebell at November 23, 2021 03:11 PM (wyw4S)

104 I was introduced to boobies on screen by Romeo and Juliet.

Posted by: Northernlurker at November 23, 2021 03:11 PM (cSyAR)

105 Must have been WWII. Maybe it wasn't trenches specifically. Doc just walked in, catch you guys later

Posted by: Mrs. Peel at November 23, 2021 03:12 PM (/29pe)

106 Oddly enough. The Chinese are real prudes when it comes to sex.
Most Chinese men have learned about sex by watching Japanese porn.

The Chinese steal everything.
Posted by: SMOD at November 23, 2021 03:07 PM (RHGPo)

Chinese ladies must be very confused about the tentacles then.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 23, 2021 03:12 PM (eoQWY)

107 Howdy KT -- good to see a post from you on a weekday!

"Are you thinking about soup, too? Got a recipe to share?"

This one is a favorite amongst my family and friends. I used to make it in cauldron-sized batches during snow storms when I lived in a townhouse. We'd all go out and help shovel each others walkways and parking spots. Then I'd share this soup that was simmering on the stove...

Delicious Ham and Potato Soup (allrecipes.com)
https://tinyurl.com/br9422ew

I usually double or triple the recipe because it's always a big hit. It customizes well. I recommend adding finely chopped carrots. And serve with cheddar cheese goldfish crackers.

Posted by: Doof at November 23, 2021 03:12 PM (mZUr4)

108 97 It never occurred to me that Shakespeare was the kind of fella to be sporting an earring like a pirate.
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Speaking about Pyrates, I want to read Defoe's Pyrate book as well as Molly Hatchett and Robinson Crusoe. Never read him.

Posted by: Puddin Head at November 23, 2021 03:12 PM (Hudry)

109

Arthur C. Clarke's book Childhood's End...

Posted by: Afghan Man - Rent Boy Association at November 23, 2021 03:12 PM (xo7B8)

110 Foundations of Writing, Foundations of Economic etc are what I would buy if I had kids.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at November 23, 2021 03:12 PM (44ww/)

111 And yes, Sherlock Holmes is a wonderful choice. I recommend Ellery Queen for an older reader with an analytical turn of mind; reading those mysteries formed a good deal of my sense of logic and analysis of patterns. But at their best they are exciting quests for truth and to solve the puzzle for its own sake. The Siamese Twin Mystery is dynamite.

As for the Nero Wolfe novels and novelettes by Rex Stout, I came to them when I was going on 13 and love them still. Humor plus mystery is an unbeatable combination; and Stout was a literary artist.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 23, 2021 03:12 PM (txdEq)

112 hiya

Posted by: JT at November 23, 2021 03:12 PM (arJlL)

113 Hiya K.T. !

Posted by: JT at November 23, 2021 03:13 PM (arJlL)

114 96 I was a voracious reader as a child--The Hardy Boys, Danny Orlis to name two serial type books but mostly anything I could get my hands on.
I remember a Grade One teacher reading something about a meadow mouse.

Posted by: Northernlurker at November 23, 2021 03:09 PM (cSyAR)

My daughter was the same way. When she going into 9th grade, they had an open house for the incoming freshmen and parents. We stopped to chat with the English dept. During the chat it came out that my daughter had read King Lear. Teacher lost her mind because she read it ahead of her peer students. Actually scolded her. Yeah - public school system.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at November 23, 2021 03:13 PM (N39Ws)

115 A classic resource is the essay by Dorothy L. Sayers, The Lost Tools of Learning. It provides a theoretical plan for a classical education based on the strengths of different child ages.

My fantasy 5th grade classroom would have had a timeline of World History on the wall, along with posters of great art, changed periodically, the Periodic table of Elements and a map of the US.
There would be a supply of art postcards and each child would get a new one to keep on their desk for a week on Mondays. American art would be featured, as 5th grade is U.S. History grade in most schools.
The reading corner would have only classic children's fiction and poetry collections.
There would be no cartoons or distracting Teacher Store graphics.
Fantasy, I know...

Posted by: another punchline at November 23, 2021 03:13 PM (bJKUl)

116 Name the schools by number e.g. PS#45

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 23, 2021 03:14 PM (63Dwl)

117 I loved Harriet the Spy. One of my favorites.

Posted by: JuJuBee at November 23, 2021 03:14 PM (mNhhD)

118 Unvaccinated children had just a 3% higher chance of catching Covid compared to double-jabbed in Pfizer US trial -- and none were seriously ill

Posted by: SMOD at November 23, 2021 03:14 PM (RHGPo)

119 Books for boys: Check out the "Motor Boys" series and the "Boy Scouts in ..." series, from the early 20th century. Great for boys if they're interested in history or exotic settings. Can usually be found in used book stores; some have been reprinted. Also available for free via Gutenberg.

Posted by: Ms. Johnnie at November 23, 2021 03:14 PM (zjUql)

120 My favourite science fiction novel is A Scent of New Mown Hay. I don't think anyone else has even heard of it.

Posted by: Northernlurker at November 23, 2021 03:14 PM (cSyAR)

121 95 I've always been meh on pumpkin pie. Now my mom's pumpkin roll is just amazing.
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My wife loves her pumpkin pie. Me, I love my pecan pie. So much better than rotting gourd mess.

Posted by: Puddin Head at November 23, 2021 03:14 PM (Hudry)

122 Books for boys - The Most Dangerous Game is a classic short story. You can't really go wrong with Wells or Verne (The Time Machine, Journey to the Center of the Earth, etc.). The Jungle Books. Sherlock Holmes.

Boys also sometimes like nonfiction better. Two Years Before the Mast is an American classic, and it is RIVETING. I couldn't put it down even though I have zero interest in boats.
Posted by: Mrs. Peel at November 23, 2021 03:05 PM (/29pe)

I've been gathering electronic versions of the "The Three Investigators" books for the grandkids because paper version prices are prohibitive.

The books about 3 friends who investigate mysteries using a hidden trailer in a junk yard as their base of operations. There is a large selection of a stories that really are fun although they are a bit dated. The grandkids are at the age that these should encourage them to read themselves. Also, apparently they made a movie about this subject. I'll have to see if it is available and maybe start them this way.

Posted by: Beartooth at November 23, 2021 03:15 PM (KTaZ8)

123 To this day, The Little Rascals' Romeo & Juliet cracks me up.
https://tinyurl.com/2ks2jfep

Buckwheat's grand entrance and "My Homeo!" slay me.

(also cool, the older kid in the front row center is none other than the original Our Gang "fat boy," Joe Cobb, making a guest appearance.)

Posted by: Guy Smiley at November 23, 2021 03:15 PM (Bmy3R)

124 That pumpkin pie pic is funny because it's true. I used to do winter squash soup all the time, I should probably get back to it. The recipe I recall doing was roasting the squash, onions, carrots etc. slathered with butter and brown sugar till brown, then blending with chicken broth. Some cayenne pepper for a bit of heat, and a dollop of creme fraiche. And I've totally forgotten how to make that stuff. Considering how many years I made that - kinda sad.

Something about becoming a bachelor again and I've completely forgotten how to cook. A fucking toasted pop-tart is haute cuisine.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at November 23, 2021 03:15 PM (wAnMi)

125 When I was a very young Oldcat, I found at the library a shelf of books about the 50 states, one book per state. I went through them about 5 at a time, along with any dinosaur book they had.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 23, 2021 03:15 PM (eoQWY)

126 Www.academic-agency.com

Shilling for someone I know.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at November 23, 2021 03:15 PM (44ww/)

127 99 I am a total sucker for epistolary novels.

Speaking of education: Up the Down Staircase.
It's almost 60 years old- hard to imagine.

Posted by: sal at November 23, 2021 03:16 PM (bJKUl)

128 120 My favourite science fiction novel is A Scent of New Mown Hay. I don't think anyone else has even heard of it.

Posted by: Northernlurker at November 23, 2021 03:14 PM (cSyAR)

My favorite movie is "Scent of a Woman"

Posted by: Rosie O'Donnell at November 23, 2021 03:16 PM (N39Ws)

129 My daughter was the same way. When she going into 9th grade, they had an open house for the incoming freshmen and parents. We stopped to chat with the English dept. During the chat it came out that my daughter had read King Lear. Teacher lost her mind because she read it ahead of her peer students. Actually scolded her. Yeah - public school system.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at November 23, 2021 03:13 PM (N39Ws)

King Lear is great. Boys love the "out, vile jelly" stuff.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 23, 2021 03:17 PM (eoQWY)

130 Sweet Potato Pie > Pumpkin Pie.

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at November 23, 2021 03:17 PM (PiwSw)

131 I was introduced to boobies on screen by Romeo and Juliet.
Posted by: Northernlurker at November 23, 2021 03:11 PM (cSyAR)



My Honors English teacher covered the screen during that part.......

Posted by: Sponge - Michael Byrd MURDERED Ashli Babbitt at November 23, 2021 03:17 PM (Zz0t1)

132 I wonder if there's some decent sideboob in the book "I, Claudius" like there was on the TV series.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at November 23, 2021 03:18 PM (vuisn)

133 Ian wrote 16 Bond novels and 9 short stories. He was the Stephen King of his time with spy novels apparently. (And the movies rarely share the same plots.)
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 23, 2021


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Steve, I think 16 is a little high. CR, LaLD, MR, DAF, FRWL, DN, GF, FYEO (short stories), TB, OHMSS, YOLT, MWtGG, and the collection with the other short stories like "Living Daylights" and the little thing "007 in New York," is all I can think of. 11 novels.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 23, 2021 03:18 PM (txdEq)

134 In the modern world information is a google away...but without some base level of knowledge this information isn't particularly helpful.

So you see youth taught that socialism is right and good...without being taught what has happened every single time socialism has been implemented.

In some cases this is almost comical. The NAZIs are literally socialists...its in their name. And most children will tell you that they were "rightwing" by American standards.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 23, 2021 03:18 PM (ESjRY)

135
I remember reading as a child a Mark Twain novel, with one particular section that I re-read a number of times. The town drunk was taken in by the local pastor, given a room and shelter and food, but every night the drunk would climb out the window and repeat the same behavior that got him into trouble in the past. But the pastor would take him back in again.

It was probably the most thought provoking Twain writing I ever encountered.

Posted by: Traitor Joe's Military Surplus at November 23, 2021 03:19 PM (dQvv7)

136 I wonder if there's some decent sideboob in the book "I, Claudius" like there was on the TV series.
Posted by: Dr. Varno at November 23, 2021


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Not really. References to salacious things are there. I found it fascinating because I love Roman history, but it's not a sexy read.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 23, 2021 03:19 PM (txdEq)

137 130 Sweet Potato Pie > Pumpkin Pie.
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at November 23, 2021 03:17 PM (PiwSw)

I now understand why Yueh killed you...

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 23, 2021 03:19 PM (BgMrQ)

138 132 I wonder if there's some decent sideboob in the book "I, Claudius" like there was on the TV series.
Posted by: Dr. Varno at November 23, 2021 03:18 PM (vuisn)

If you want sideboob in a Robert Graves novel, try "Hercules, My Shipmate".

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at November 23, 2021 03:19 PM (dfRN6)

139 128 120 My favourite science fiction novel is A Scent of New Mown Hay. I don't think anyone else has even heard of it.

Posted by: Northernlurker at November 23, 2021 03:14 PM (cSyAR)


Well, I have now!

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at November 23, 2021 03:19 PM (PiwSw)

140
I've been gathering electronic versions of the "The Three Investigators" books for the grandkids because paper version prices are prohibitive.


I liked those books as a kid. They'd show up occasionally at used book sales and I'd buy them when I could.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 23, 2021 03:20 PM (ESjRY)

141 Teacher lost her mind because she read it ahead of her peer students. Actually scolded her. Yeah - public school system.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at November 23, 2021


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My grade school teachers always told us not to read ahead in our reading books. Of course I took mine home and read the whole thing in a weekend, and was bored the rest of the year.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 23, 2021 03:20 PM (txdEq)

142 I was a voracious reader as a child--The Hardy Boys,

At a certain point I realized the plot of those books was way to often the same.

Boys almost get to the bottom of the crime, when they get captured, the villain explains his scheme and...then the dad shows up with the cops.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 23, 2021 03:21 PM (ESjRY)

143 Moll Flanders not Molly Hatchet.

Posted by: Puddin Head at November 23, 2021 03:21 PM (Hudry)

144 134 In the modern world information is a google away...but without some base level of knowledge this information isn't particularly helpful.

So you see youth taught that socialism is right and good...without being taught what has happened every single time socialism has been implemented.

In some cases this is almost comical. The NAZIs are literally socialists...its in their name. And most children will tell you that they were "rightwing" by American standards.
Posted by: 18-1 at November 23, 2021 03:18 PM (ESjRY)

If we want to get into the technicals, policy-wise the US overlapped almost entirely with the Italian Fascists and Nazi Germany during WWII. Is FDR therefore rightwing?

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 23, 2021 03:22 PM (z5Vrg)

145 Oh, I LOVED The Three Investigators! Jupiter Jones! Who didn't want a junkyard hideout full of cool inventions!

Wish I still had mine, they are hard to find.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at November 23, 2021 03:22 PM (Bmy3R)

146
Arthur C. Clarke's book Childhood's End...


Is that the one where the children become part of a group consciousness?

Posted by: 18-1 at November 23, 2021 03:22 PM (ESjRY)

147 Now I remember a book a loved as a preteen--The Eagle of the Ninth by Rosemary Sutcliffe. I wish I could find it again.

Posted by: Northernlurker at November 23, 2021 03:22 PM (cSyAR)

148 60 Best Buy CEO says the trauma from rising retail thefts could force employees to quit
Posted by: SMOD at November 23, 2021 03:03 PM (RHG

In other words the stores are blaming the employees for the theft occurring and it's stressing them out rather than blaming the government and demanding they knock this permissive shit off.

Posted by: Buzzion at November 23, 2021 03:22 PM (cFsny)

149 I went to a Catholic school for a few years (2nd through 7th grade), then moved to Texas and finished in public schools. It was way different between the two. I was mostly bored in public schools.

I had a similar experience. Our Catholic school went from 1st through 8th grade, after that we were transitioned to public high school. Both boring, and the way the internal politics worked to the students’ detriment. And our very small town had a demonstrably above average high school.

Example: when choosing high school classes, the h.s. guidance counselor sent to help us bad-mouthed one of the two math teachers, convincing us to choose the other. Turns out the one we were steered from was the more rigorous and dedicated of the two. I switched to taking her classes for sophomore year, but was only able to do so because I mostly taught myself in freshman year. The teacher we’d been recommended barely got halfway through the book.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at November 23, 2021 03:22 PM (olroh)

150 clutch. Add a bit of bacon to your winter squash soup. Makes it extra yummy.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at November 23, 2021 03:23 PM (2NHgQ)

151 Sweet Potato Pie > Pumpkin Pie.
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at November 23, 2021 03:17 PM (PiwSw)


You asked for it...

Robert Cray - Nothing Against You (opening track from the album Sweet Potato Pie)
https://youtu.be/JvScdJDOOpA

{headnod to nurse ratched -- she has a very cool Robert Cray story}

Posted by: Doof at November 23, 2021 03:23 PM (mZUr4)

152 If I were King there would be Trade High Schools, Business High Schools and STEM High Schools .

Posted by: Just a side note at November 23, 2021 03:23 PM (shMPn)

153
I loved anything by Arthur C. Clarke. I even persuaded my frosh English teacher to assign Childhood's End.
Posted by: pep at November 23, 2021


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Good choice!

And Larry Niven's early Known Space stories, like the collection Neutron Star and the novel Ringworld, are filled with grand adventure.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 23, 2021 03:23 PM (txdEq)

154 'Looting' deemed racist term, California experiencing 'organized robbery'

Posted by: SMOD at November 23, 2021 03:23 PM (RHGPo)

155 147 Now I remember a book a loved as a preteen--The Eagle of the Ninth by Rosemary Sutcliffe. I wish I could find it again.
Posted by: Northernlurker at November 23, 2021 03:22 PM (cSyAR)

It's available. I've got all four novels in that series.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at November 23, 2021 03:24 PM (dfRN6)

156 Boys almost get to the bottom of the crime, when they get captured, the villain explains his scheme and...then the dad shows up with the cops.
Posted by: 18-1 at November 23, 2021 03:21 PM (ESjRY)

And every time they tried to go on a date with Callie and Iola, one of them would get kidnapped and tied up by bad guys.

I started to get the feeling they were pre-arranging that shit to spend more time with Chet and Biff. Noamsayin'? The Hardly Boys.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at November 23, 2021 03:24 PM (Bmy3R)

157 Wolfus, hmmm. Here's what Wiki claims:

*Ian Fleming 007 Novels*
Casino Royale; Live And Let Die; Moonraker; Diamonds Are Forever; From Russia With Love; Dr No; Goldfinger; For Your Eyes Only; Thunderball; The Spy Who Loved Me; On Her Majesty's Secret Service; You Only Live Twice; The Man With The Golden Gun; Octopussy And The Living Daylights

*Ian Fleming 007 Short Stories*
From A View To A Kill; Quantum Of Solace; The Hildebrand Rarity; For Your Eyes Only; Risico; The Living Daylights; 007 In New York; The Property Of A Lady; Octopussy

Hmmm, there is a bit of overlap there.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 23, 2021 03:24 PM (L2ZTs)

158 As a big fan of Shakespeare...it's not for all kids.
It's not so much the language, which is a barrier until you get into the habit of reading it out loud, but the history and themes have a depth that a lot of kids aren't going to pick up on.

We did Romeo and Juliet my HS Freshmen year. Most of the students were focused on the sex and missed anything more.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, load and make ready at November 23, 2021 03:24 PM (V6f9+)

159 Oh, I LOVED The Three Investigators! Jupiter Jones! Who didn't want a junkyard hideout full of cool inventions!

Wish I still had mine, they are hard to find.
Posted by: Guy Smiley at November 23, 2021 03:22 PM (Bmy3R)

might be able to find Kindle / Gutenberg versions for a song if they are public domain.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 23, 2021 03:24 PM (eoQWY)

160 If we want to get into the technicals, policy-wise the US overlapped almost entirely with the Italian Fascists and Nazi Germany during WWII. Is FDR therefore rightwing?

The whole western world was deep in the throws of progressivism - FDR was the American version, Mussolini the Italian, the NAZIs the German and so on.

Here in the US we were forcibly sterilizing and lobotomizing the untermenschen (thanks to Jacobson v Massachusetts - the same justification the left is claiming for clot shot mandates!). It was a dark time that generally doesn't get mentioned for the obvious reasons...

Posted by: 18-1 at November 23, 2021 03:25 PM (ESjRY)

161 Are you thinking about soup, too? Got a recipe to share?

yes this time of year I like sausage-white bean-kale (or spinach) soup.

Recipe: a can of white beans, about a pound of link sausage, and about three handfuls of kale leaves, maybe a little more. You can use chicken broth or vegetable broth. Also mirepoix

first heat up the mirepoix in some olive oil, in another pan brown the sausage but it doesn't have to be cooked through. Add broth and sausages and beans to sauteed mirepoix, let the sausage cook through. Then add the kale leaves, let heat a couple minutes until the leaves are wilted then serve.

Posted by: kallisto at November 23, 2021 03:25 PM (DJFLF)

162 148 60 Best Buy CEO says the trauma from rising retail thefts could force employees to quit
Posted by: SMOD at November 23, 2021 03:03 PM (RHG

In other words the stores are blaming the employees for the theft occurring and it's stressing them out rather than blaming the government and demanding they knock this permissive shit off.
Posted by: Buzzion at November 23, 2021 03:22 PM (cFsny)

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Retail employees are kind of in an impossible situation. They're there to partially discourage theft, but they're given no tools to deal with it. In fact, they're actively encouraged to not do anything when it comes down to it.

I was working a retail phone store when I saw a guy pull a display model phone off the rack and walk out. I went after him, caught up to him, and couldn't do anything. I could only let him go. Then we didn't have that model out anymore and it became harder to hit my sales quota. I mean, it's not some end of the world scenario, but it demonstrates the weird loss prevention place most employees exist in.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, holy crap, John Ford made a lot of movies in the 1930s at November 23, 2021 03:25 PM (3EWns)

163 Snowing here in the Bitterroot Valley. Quite beautiful.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at November 23, 2021 03:25 PM (2NHgQ)

164 It was way different between the two. I was mostly bored in public schools.
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I had the same experience having spent two years in a great public school in MI and then finishing HS in a county HS in NC. Pretty much all the electives offered in my HS I had already taken in Jr HS. But there were girls and stuff.

Posted by: Puddin Head at November 23, 2021 03:25 PM (Hudry)

165 Ditto on loving the Three Investigators books as a kid. I still have a couple of them.

They made California look fun. And there was a real sense of friendship and joy in them.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at November 23, 2021 03:25 PM (olroh)

166 I was a voracious reader as a child--The Hardy Boys,

At a certain point I realized the plot of those books was way to often the same.

Boys almost get to the bottom of the crime, when they get captured, the villain explains his scheme and...then the dad shows up with the cops.
Posted by: 18-1 at November 23, 2021


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I outgrew them about age 11, when I left comic books for the Alfred Hitchcock anthologies. Many of them reprinted classic suspense and horror stories from earlier decades, like "The Most Dangerous Game" someone mentioned above.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 23, 2021 03:26 PM (txdEq)

167 My kidlets attend a magnet public school and a charter school. Both are excellent. And the one key ingredient is parent involvement. It's helicopter parentus maximus. And what it all comes down to. You can have the best teachers and the best curriculum. But without parental involvement it means nothing.

And also since both schools are selective, you need to want to be there. If not, the schools are not shy about asking problem kids to leave. There are plenty of others who would love to take their place. So it is a self selecting pool of students who want to be there, want to be challenged, want to excel and have no qualms about being a nerd or geek or whatever. They're all nerds and damn proud of it as they like to say.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at November 23, 2021 03:26 PM (OalnH)

168 Titus Andronicus sure isn't for kids.

Holy shit, that's Death Metal Shakespeare.

I agree with the general assumption that he was aping Marlowe's over-the-top gore and violence at that early stage.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at November 23, 2021 03:26 PM (Bmy3R)

169 nd yes, Sherlock Holmes is a wonderful choice. I recommend Ellery Queen for an older reader with an analytical turn of mind; reading those mysteries formed a good deal of my sense of logic and analysis of patterns. But at their best they are exciting quests for truth and to solve the puzzle for its own sake. The Siamese Twin Mystery is dynamite.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius


I've been going through the gutenberg mysteries library. The Father Brown stories are great; they're short - takes only a few minutes to read one. They're nothing like the TV show except that you can see the actor in the discription of Fa. Brown.

Just finish The Thirty Nine Steps. Kind of a goofy action/spy novella that ends up being an extended paen to the Scottish countryside.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 23, 2021 03:26 PM (1t5dY)

170 We did Romeo and Juliet my HS Freshmen year. Most of the students were focused on the sex and missed anything more.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, load and make ready at November 23, 2021 03:24 PM (V6f9+)

"Beatrice!"

- Steve Holt

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at November 23, 2021 03:26 PM (dfRN6)

171 As a kid a couple more favorites: The Lord of the Rings/Silmarillion and the Bolo stories

Posted by: 18-1 at November 23, 2021 03:27 PM (ESjRY)

172 I played the Bach piece way back when...never sounded that good...In HS, I was in an advanced English Lit class - the teacher had John Lee read the part of Richard Henry Lee. John was from (Southern) Taiwan...had quite the accent...

Posted by: Johnny Lanctot at November 23, 2021 03:27 PM (FYjHU)

173 I was a voracious reader as a child--The Hardy Boys,

At a certain point I realized the plot of those books was way to often the same.

Boys almost get to the bottom of the crime, when they get captured, the villain explains his scheme and...then the dad shows up with the cops.
Posted by: 18-1 at November 23, 2021 03:21 PM (ESjRY)

That's the way it is in most long serial stories, and romance novels. The good ones throw in enough twists on the thing to engage you, the bad ones, well at least you got what you are looking for.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 23, 2021 03:27 PM (eoQWY)

174 I have my Dad's collection of the Leo G. Edwards series of Jerry Todd mysteries, published from the early '20's through the 1930's.

They are incredibly dated, of course and not very PC in a few places, but what strikes us the most about them is that the boys are so self-motivated and competent. They attribute a lot of that to being Scouts, but most of it is the need for them to create their own recreation.

Posted by: sal at November 23, 2021 03:28 PM (bJKUl)

175 Captains Courageous is a great book for any age. It's why it's my favorite of all time.

Posted by: Just a side note at November 23, 2021 03:28 PM (shMPn)

176 awww...it's Naomi Wolf and hubby's anniversary!

she looks great for mid-50s

https://tinyurl.com/yt9y8ytc

Posted by: kallisto at November 23, 2021 03:28 PM (DJFLF)

177 Turns out the one we were steered from was the more rigorous and dedicated of the two. I switched to taking her classes for sophomore year, but was only able to do so because I mostly taught myself in freshman year. The teacher wed been recommended barely got halfway through the book.

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In my personal experience, the hard teacher that you hoped you did not get was always the best.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at November 23, 2021 03:29 PM (sX1BW)

178 The Father Brown stories are great; they're short - takes only a few minutes to read one. They're nothing like the TV show except that you can see the actor in the discription of Fa. Brown.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 23, 2021 03:26 PM (1t5dY)

I found the old Alec Guinness Fr. Brown but didn't realize I was buying a non-compatible Euro DVD that doesn't work on my machine until after the fact. Grrrr.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at November 23, 2021 03:29 PM (dfRN6)

179 No ready made pumpkin pie or frozen shells

Posted by: Skip's Phone at November 23, 2021 03:30 PM (xYtdV)

180 A couple of days ago I saw a history video on the Roman 9th legion which completely disappeared from history without any historical record.
That got me thinking about the Sutcliffe book.

Posted by: Northernlurker at November 23, 2021 03:30 PM (cSyAR)

181 My favorite Shakespeare line-

"Let's kill all the lawyers" Henry VI, Part 2, Act IV, Scene 2.

Posted by: Capital Eff believes #RonnaMustGo #McCarthyMustGo #McConnellMustGo at November 23, 2021 03:30 PM (DiVy8)

182 If you're working at Best Buy for $13.50 an hour are you really going to risk getting beaten up or worse to stop someone who is shoplifting?

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at November 23, 2021 03:30 PM (OalnH)

183 Growing up I read some of Danny Dunn and Encyclopedia Brown.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 23, 2021 03:30 PM (L2ZTs)

184 On re-reading two childhood faves recently:

Treasure Island still holds up. BIGLY. Stone-cold classic.

My Side of the Mountain is filled with ridiculous nonsense on virtually every single page, and I don't see how even as a kid I was able to suspend disbelief that much.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at November 23, 2021 03:31 PM (Bmy3R)

185 Ian Fleming 007 Novels*
Casino Royale; Live And Let Die; Moonraker; Diamonds Are Forever; From Russia With Love; Dr No; Goldfinger; For Your Eyes Only; Thunderball; The Spy Who Loved Me; On Her Majesty's Secret Service; You Only Live Twice; The Man With The Golden Gun; Octopussy And The Living Daylights

*Ian Fleming 007 Short Stories*
From A View To A Kill; Quantum Of Solace; The Hildebrand Rarity; For Your Eyes Only; Risico; The Living Daylights; 007 In New York; The Property Of A Lady; Octopussy

Hmmm, there is a bit of overlap there.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 23, 2021


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Right; FYEO contains the first 5 short stories you list. OatLD contains the remaining 4. So Fleming published more books than 11, but quite a few individual stories. Oh, I forgot Spy Who Loved Me (it's a Bond story, but a strange one); 12 novels.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 23, 2021 03:31 PM (txdEq)

186 If you're working at Best Buy for $13.50 an hour are you really going to risk getting beaten up or worse to stop someone who is shoplifting?

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Probably not now, but 25 years ago, if you were working there for $9.50 an hour, you might have. Different times.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at November 23, 2021 03:31 PM (sX1BW)

187 176 awww...it's Naomi Wolf and hubby's anniversary!
she looks great for mid-50s
https://tinyurl.com/yt9y8ytc
Posted by: kallisto at November 23, 2021 03:28 PM (DJFLF)

Always thought she was attractive...GREAT HEAD OF HAIR!!!

A loon, but attractive...

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 23, 2021 03:31 PM (BgMrQ)

188 146
Arthur C. Clarke's book Childhood's End...
Is that the one where the children become part of a group consciousness?
Posted by: 18-1

No, it's the one where wealthy pedophiles move to jurisdictions without an extradiction treaty and violently bugger poor people's little boys...

Posted by: Afghan Man - Rent Boy Association at November 23, 2021 03:32 PM (xo7B8)

189 154 'Looting' deemed racist term, California experiencing 'organized robbery'
Posted by: SMOD at November 23, 2021 03:23 PM (RHGPo)

They should have gone with "retail reparative justice..."

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at November 23, 2021 03:32 PM (PiwSw)

190 About older books and the competence of kids: I read The Best of Murray Leinster last year. In “Sidewise in Time”, which involves alternate timelines, Roman legionaries lost in New York City could roughly communicate because a random schoolboy happened to know Latin.

Probably not unreasonable for the time.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at November 23, 2021 03:32 PM (olroh)

191 146
Arthur C. Clarke's book Childhood's End...
Is that the one where the children become part of a group consciousness?
Posted by: 18-1

No, it's the one where wealthy pedophiles move to jurisdictions without an extradiction treaty and violently bugger poor people's little boys...
Posted by: Afghan Man - Rent Boy Association at November 23, 2021 03:32 PM (xo7B

It wasn't Afghanistan, it was Ceylon.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 23, 2021 03:33 PM (eoQWY)

192 A couple of days ago I saw a history video on the Roman 9th legion which completely disappeared from history without any historical record.
That got me thinking about the Sutcliffe book.
Posted by: Northernlurker at November 23, 2021


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There is a grand adventure novel by H. Warner Munn called The Lost Legion. Not sure if it was based on that 9th Legion or not.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 23, 2021 03:33 PM (txdEq)

193 Treasure Island still holds up. BIGLY. Stone-cold classic.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at November 23, 2021 03:31 PM (Bmy3R)

The 90's movie version with Charleton Heston as Long John Silver is surprisingly good.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at November 23, 2021 03:33 PM (dfRN6)

194 DOJ: Queens Man Sentenced to 30 Years in Prison for Attempting to Provide Material Support to ISIS and an Additional 100 Months for Slashing a Correctional Officer at a Federal Jail in Brooklyn

Coming out of Queens, NY, well-heeled young man goes full Jihad.

Posted by: SMOD at November 23, 2021 03:34 PM (RHGPo)

195 Robinson Crusoe holds up really well for being written in early 1700's.

Posted by: Just a side note at November 23, 2021 03:34 PM (shMPn)

196 I kind of felt bad for Bugs Meaney. I rooted for him over Encyclopedia Brown.

I mean, the kid's parents named him Bugs freakin' Meaney. He had as much chance in life as Goofus.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at November 23, 2021 03:34 PM (Bmy3R)

197 I was a voracious reader as a child--The Hardy Boys,

At a certain point I realized the plot of those books was way to often the same.

Boys almost get to the bottom of the crime, when they get captured, the villain explains his scheme and...then the dad shows up with the cops.
Posted by: 18-1 at November 23, 2021 03:21 PM (ESjRY)


It's because the Hardy Boys and Nancy Drew novels were written to a specific pattern. The Stratmeyer writing syndicate would send the writers in their stable an outline which the writer was expected to adhere to, and any who didn't were quickly fired. The Tom Swift and Tom Swift Jr books were the same.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 23, 2021 03:34 PM (2JVJo)

198 I had the same experience having spent two years in a great public school in MI and then finishing HS in a county HS in NC. Pretty much all the electives offered in my HS I had already taken in Jr HS. But there were girls and stuff.
Posted by: Puddin Head at November 23, 2021 03:25 PM (Hudry)

Bored? Disinterested? Misbehaving?

ADD, no doubt.

Adderal for you.

Posted by: Golfman at November 23, 2021 03:34 PM (igUvO)

199 As Thanksgiving foods weigh on our minds (and soon, bodies) I just want to point out that Jim Acosta is no longer seen on CNN and Rich "Psycho" Giamboni is in a deep post-prandial sleep.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 23, 2021 03:34 PM (szbbg)

200 ***
There is a grand adventure novel by H. Warner Munn called The Lost Legion. Not sure if it was based on that 9th Legion or not.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 23, 2021 03:33 PM (txdEq)

There's apparently nothing in the records about what happened to the Ninth--was it disbanded or did they get destroyed in battle, no one knows.

Posted by: Northernlurker at November 23, 2021 03:35 PM (cSyAR)

201 f you're working at Best Buy for $13.50 an hour are you really going to risk getting beaten up or worse to stop someone who is shoplifting?

-------------

Probably not now, but 25 years ago, if you were working there for $9.50 an hour, you might have. Different times.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at November 23, 2021 03:31 PM (sX1BW)

better times. We both know it. That people don't give damn now is understandable.It is society that sets the norms. Forty years ago a guy would pin your ears back for $3.35 and enjoy it.

Posted by: Quint at November 23, 2021 03:35 PM (NXntH)

202 I made a comment about Ace's pumpkin-sausage soup the other day. I copied it down back then and found the recipe. It really is quite good. A hearty, thick soup that's pretty easy. I think any squash-ish base would work, but the canned pumpkin puree was fine. It also has mushrooms and IIRC I used some mixture of them that added some earthiness to it. Granted you have to dig the pumpkin/squash thing if you're going to make it.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 23, 2021 03:35 PM (BFigT)

203 . . . I read The Best of Murray Leinster last year. In "Sidewise in Time," which involves alternate timelines, Roman legionaries lost in New York City could roughly communicate because a random schoolboy happened to know Latin.
Probably not unreasonable for the time.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at November 23, 2021


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The same concept turns up in Heinlein's Have Space Suit.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 23, 2021 03:35 PM (txdEq)

204 Oh, I LOVED The Three Investigators! Jupiter Jones! Who didn't want a junkyard hideout full of cool inventions!

Wish I still had mine, they are hard to find.
Posted by: Guy Smiley at November 23, 2021 03:22 PM (Bmy3R)

might be able to find Kindle / Gutenberg versions for a song if they are public domain.
Posted by: Oldcat at November 23, 2021 03:24 PM (eoQWY)

I bought mine off eBay and the seller send PDFs that I was able to use the "Send to Kindle" app to load them on my Kindle. You do need to go into your Amazon account and white list any email addresses that will send data to your Kindle. You will need to each Kindle do this if you have multiple Kindles.

Posted by: Beartooth at November 23, 2021 03:35 PM (KTaZ8)

205 Re that 'proper serving of pumpkin pie' pic: needs more whipped cream!

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 23, 2021 03:35 PM (L2ZTs)

206 Poe's short stories are also good, short reads. Murder in the Rue Morgue, Tell-tale Heart, Purloined Letter, Cask of Amontillado, etc.

Posted by: Mrs. Peel at November 23, 2021 03:35 PM (/29pe)

207 Biden Releases Sour Crude That's Out of Favor With U.S. Refiners

I'm surprised there was even any oil still there

Posted by: SMOD at November 23, 2021 03:35 PM (RHGPo)

208 Wasn't there a movie based on The Eagle of the Ninth?

Posted by: Northernlurker at November 23, 2021 03:36 PM (cSyAR)

209 Didn't the 9th legion become King Arthur?

Posted by: Just a side note at November 23, 2021 03:36 PM (shMPn)

210 The 90's movie version with Charleton Heston as Long John Silver is surprisingly good.
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at November 23, 2021 03:33 PM (dfRN6)

It was just listed on YouTube for purchase (yeah, yeah, I know: I don't; really own it), and I bought it.

Everyone does an lovely job. I really liked Christian Bale in that role.

And Heston steals every scene.

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 23, 2021 03:36 PM (BgMrQ)

211 SMOD, it's known as Sour Crude & Onion. ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 23, 2021 03:36 PM (L2ZTs)

212 A loon, but attractive...

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 23, 2021 03:31 PM (BgMrQ)


I think being married to Brian is correcting her.

Posted by: kallisto at November 23, 2021 03:36 PM (DJFLF)

213 About older books and the competence of kids: I read The Best of Murray Leinster last year. In Sidewise in Time, which involves alternate timelines, Roman legionaries lost in New York City could roughly communicate because a random schoolboy happened to know Latin.

Probably not unreasonable for the time.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at November 23, 2021 03:32 PM (olroh)

Almost all of those "Best of X" where X is a classic SF writers are a good bet. Leinster also wrote "First Contact" where two ships meet in space, and both want to have good relations but fear the other side figuring out where they come from and attacking them.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 23, 2021 03:36 PM (eoQWY)

214 Re Hillsdale. I've always been hesitant to sign up for a free course because there must be a catch. Rush raved about them and now this post. Is there a "catch"?

Posted by: dingbat at November 23, 2021 03:36 PM (c4IZs)

215 There was a fun, slightly dark, movie a while back about an Encyclopedia Brown-like character’s life as an adult. The Kid Detective.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at November 23, 2021 03:36 PM (olroh)

216 pep at November 23, 2021 03:03 PM

You may have a point there.

Catcher in the Rye may have been intended to convey to adults how adolescents think. No use suggesting to adolescents that they should think that way.

Stupid schools of education.

Posted by: KT at November 23, 2021 03:36 PM (0ghg2)

217 Brian 'Dirty' Laundrie died of gunshot wound to the head, final autopsy reveals

Posted by: SMOD at November 23, 2021 03:36 PM (RHGPo)

218 The same concept turns up in Heinlein's Have Space Suit.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 23, 2021 03:35 PM (txdEq)

That was my childhood favorite.

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at November 23, 2021 03:36 PM (PiwSw)

219 That portrait up top can't be of Shakespeare; I've been assured by Black Israelites that Shakespeare was black. Is this a Talcum X sort of situation?

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at November 23, 2021 03:36 PM (DTX3h)

220 Sonlight Curriculum is wonderful for homeschooling. It uses many of those great books we read as kids. Even if you don't homeschool, it is a great place to look for reading recommendations.

Posted by: bluebell at November 23, 2021 03:37 PM (wyw4S)

221 SMOD, I didn't even know Laundrie had dirt on Hillary!

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 23, 2021 03:37 PM (L2ZTs)

222 I had the same experience having spent two years in a great public school in MI and then finishing HS in a county HS in NC. Pretty much all the electives offered in my HS I had already taken in Jr HS. But there were girls and stuff.
Posted by: Puddin Head at November 23, 2021 03:25 PM (Hudry)

And where in NC if you don't mind. Been here 99% of my life.

Posted by: Golfman at November 23, 2021 03:37 PM (igUvO)

223 217 Brian 'Dirty' Laundrie died of gunshot wound to the head, final autopsy reveals

Interesting. Wonder where he got the gun.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at November 23, 2021 03:37 PM (Bmy3R)

224 219 That portrait up top can't be of Shakespeare; I've been assured by Black Israelites that Shakespeare was black. Is this a Talcum X sort of situation?
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at November 23, 2021 03:36 PM (DTX3h)

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Shakespeare was a black woman.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, holy crap, John Ford made a lot of movies in the 1930s at November 23, 2021 03:37 PM (3EWns)

225 206 Poe's short stories are also good, short reads. Murder in the Rue Morgue, Tell-tale Heart, Purloined Letter, Cask of Amontillado, etc.
Posted by: Mrs. Peel at November 23, 2021 03:35 PM (/29pe)

Mask of the Red Death

A story for our times, is it not?

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 23, 2021 03:38 PM (BgMrQ)

226 *Laundrie didn't kill himself*

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 23, 2021 03:38 PM (L2ZTs)

227 Dirty Laundrie should be roasting away in a particularly hot corner of Hell about now.

Rotten son of a bitch.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at November 23, 2021 03:38 PM (Bmy3R)

228 Hunter Biden appears to have named his corrupt, Chinese-linked shell company Skaneateles after the town where his deceased mother was born -- a map of which Hunter also has tattooed on his back, according to images from his laptop. Skaneateles is the name of a town in New York State between Rochester and Syracuse. Skaneateles means "long lake," which is a part of the Finger Lakes in central New York State.

Posted by: SMOD at November 23, 2021 03:38 PM (RHGPo)

229 Brian 'Dirty' Laundrie died of gunshot wound to the head, final autopsy reveals
Posted by: SMOD at November 23, 2021 03:36 PM (RHGPo)


Shows you how much I pay attention. I didn't even know they identified that body as his.

Posted by: Jordan61 at November 23, 2021 03:39 PM (Ez6QX)

230 OH, and "The Living Daylights" is probably Fleming's best short story. The intro portion of the Timothy Dalton film is based on it, but the short story stands alone.

"From a View to a Kill" is also good, but TLD is the best.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 23, 2021 03:39 PM (txdEq)

231 I didn't realize Shakespeare was a faggot.

Posted by: Boss Moss at November 23, 2021 03:39 PM (KOlLu)

232 Hey TJM, Wes Anderson has another movie coming out. Starring the ensemble he always works with....

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at November 23, 2021 03:39 PM (PiwSw)

233 Today's Example of Democrat Excellence in Governing:

Question to Energy Secretary Granholm in the WH Daily Press Briefing:
"How many barrels of oil does the US consume every day?"

Reply:
"I don't have that number for you."

Well, there you have it. Top. Men. Top. Women.

Posted by: Gref at November 23, 2021 03:40 PM (AMIL/)

234 There is a grand adventure novel by H. Warner Munn called The Lost Legion. Not sure if it was based on that 9th Legion or not.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 23, 2021 03:33 PM (txdEq)

There's apparently nothing in the records about what happened to the Ninth--was it disbanded or did they get destroyed in battle, no one knows.
Posted by: Northernlurker at November 23, 2021 03:35 PM (cSyAR)

I read recently a kindle book on the competing theories about it, it was ok. It pretty much comes down to disbanded for mutiny, wiped out in various parts of the Empire, or wiped out in a revolt.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 23, 2021 03:40 PM (eoQWY)

235 >>>If you're working at Best Buy for $13.50 an hour are you really going to risk getting beaten up or worse to stop someone who is shoplifting?

>Chasing shoplifters out of the grocery store into 6 lanes of traffic at 45mph was one of the perks of the job.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at November 23, 2021 03:40 PM (BPuaD)

236 Muldoon at November 23, 2021 03:03 PM

Charming.

Posted by: KT at November 23, 2021 03:40 PM (0ghg2)

237 I would like to recommend Tarzan, but there is some seriously racist shit in there. Don't get me wrong, I love the Tarzan books, but I also learned more about racism by reading those books and the original Tom Swift books than I ever did from any diatribes about the white man that I had to listen to as a yoot. (And it wasn't just against Africans. "Tarzan felt the hatred that had ennobled countless thousands - the hatred of Germans." I about fell out of my chair laughing at that one, but geez, I'd have a hard time explaining it to a kid, esp if I had to NOT explain that the Hun is either at your throat or at your feet, because who knows what the kid is going to repeat to other people.) The Barsoom books are better in that regard.

Posted by: Mrs. Peel at November 23, 2021 03:40 PM (/29pe)

238 232 Hey TJM, Wes Anderson has another movie coming out. Starring the ensemble he always works with....
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at November 23, 2021 03:39 PM (PiwSw)

=========

And he's just finished filming his next movie after that. And he's prepping to start filming another movie in January.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, holy crap, John Ford made a lot of movies in the 1930s at November 23, 2021 03:41 PM (3EWns)

239 217 Brian 'Dirty' Laundrie died of gunshot wound to the head, final autopsy reveals

Posted by: SMOD at November 23, 2021 03:36 PM (RHGPo)

Funny, no mention of anyone finding a gun.

Posted by: Rosie O'Donnell at November 23, 2021 03:41 PM (N39Ws)

240 Almost all of those "Best of X" where X is a classic SF writers are a good bet. Leinster also wrote "First Contact" where two ships meet in space, and both want to have good relations but fear the other side figuring out where they come from and attacking them.
Posted by: Oldcat at November 23, 2021


***
Animal lovers will like Leinster's Hugo-winning novelette from the '50s, "Exploration Team." Adventure, discussion of individualism in the right doses, and bears!

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 23, 2021 03:41 PM (txdEq)

241 NY Times: It's not hard to see why people are moving to Texas

If you're looking for an affordable, economically vibrant city that is less likely to be damaged by climate change than many other American cities, our data shows why Texas is a new land of plenty.

Posted by: SMOD at November 23, 2021 03:41 PM (RHGPo)

242 I consumed less than one barrel of oil today.

Posted by: Boss Moss at November 23, 2021 03:41 PM (KOlLu)

243 a.moron at November 23, 2021 03:05 PM

We wouldn't tell the AP.

Posted by: KT at November 23, 2021 03:41 PM (0ghg2)

244 179 continue
At the store

Posted by: Skip at November 23, 2021 03:41 PM (2JoB8)

245 241 NY Times: It's not hard to see why people are moving to Texas

If you're looking for an affordable, economically vibrant city that is less likely to be damaged by climate change than many other American cities, our data shows why Texas is a new land of plenty.
Posted by: SMOD at November 23, 2021 03:41 PM (RHGPo)

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I've heard Martha's Vineyard isn't going to be touched by climate change either.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, holy crap, John Ford made a lot of movies in the 1930s at November 23, 2021 03:42 PM (3EWns)

246 I have a lib arts degree. And The Catcher in the Rye and anything by Zinn was never prescribed. I guess I was just lucky. The funny thing is it was not the locales, it was the dates. Time and date is most often the issue. Sure in Red areas time often stands still.But many blue areas used to be normal and they took pride in it.

Posted by: Quint at November 23, 2021 03:42 PM (NXntH)

247 About older books and the competence of kids: I read The Best of Murray Leinster last year. In Sidewise in Time, which involves alternate timelines, Roman legionaries lost in New York City could roughly communicate because a random schoolboy happened to know Latin.
Probably not unreasonable for the time.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at November 23, 2021 03:32 PM (olroh)


Leinster is a wonderful writer. Erik Frank Russell is another one. Most of the Analog and Astounding sci fi was written for kids. When I was a kid I spent a lot of time in libraries and I loved the Analog anthologies

Posted by: Kindltot at November 23, 2021 03:42 PM (P9T5R)

248 Almost all of those "Best of X" where X is a classic SF writers are a good bet.

Ballantine’s Classic Library of Science Fiction. The Best of Raymond Z. Gallun from a supermarket shelf may have been my introduction to science fiction.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at November 23, 2021 03:42 PM (olroh)

249 Well, there you have it. Top. Men. Top. Women.
Posted by: Gref at November 23, 2021 03:40 PM (AMIL/)

I don't think they're particularly interested in fact, figures or details. Or even objective truth. It's about narratives that enrich themselves and their patrons while placating their true-believer base.

Posted by: Erik in Texas at November 23, 2021 03:42 PM (2siSk)

250 "Lenin once said that the communist revolution was Soviet power plus the electrification of the whole country," Boris Johnson said.

"Well, I hesitate to quote Lenin at the Confederation of British Industry, but the coming industrial revolution is green power plus the electrification of the whole country," he continued.

Posted by: SMOD at November 23, 2021 03:42 PM (RHGPo)

251 Animal lovers will like Leinster's Hugo-winning novelette from the '50s, "Exploration Team." Adventure, discussion of individualism in the right doses, and bears!
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 23, 2021 03:41 PM (txdEq)


Pirates of Erzatz is another one.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 23, 2021 03:43 PM (P9T5R)

252 If you're looking for an affordable, economically vibrant city that is less likely to be damaged by climate change than many other American cities, our data shows why Texas is a new land of plenty.
Posted by: SMOD at November 23, 2021 03:41 PM (RHG

Texas is in the path of the Yellowstone Caldera. Stay away.

Posted by: Just a side note at November 23, 2021 03:43 PM (shMPn)

253 MrsPeel, yup.

DW Griffith's film The Birth Of A Nation is also seriously racist.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 23, 2021 03:43 PM (L2ZTs)

254 Bored? Disinterested? Misbehaving?

ADD, no doubt.

Adderal for you.
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They didn't have that yet. We supplied our own drugs.

Posted by: Puddin Head at November 23, 2021 03:44 PM (Hudry)

255 Lenin was a shitty bassist.

Posted by: Boss Moss at November 23, 2021 03:44 PM (KOlLu)

256 I didn't realize the vile cipher who said the Waukesha mow-down was karma...had resigned her post as demorat social media director:

https://tinyurl.com/rwv52e4

Posted by: kallisto at November 23, 2021 03:44 PM (DJFLF)

257 Name the schools by number e.g. PS#45
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 23, 2021 03:14 PM

Regrettably, #45 has been renamed, as it is a painful, triggering, traumatic number.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at November 23, 2021 03:44 PM (OssQ4)

258 A bluebell thread is a great thread!

Posted by: Weasel at November 23, 2021 03:44 PM (0IeYL)

259 Bannon indictment does little to jumpstart Jan. 6 committee's subpoena talks with top targets

Posted by: SMOD at November 23, 2021 03:44 PM (RHGPo)

260 255 Lenin was a shitty bassist.
Posted by: Boss Moss at November 23, 2021 03:44 PM (KOlLu)

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Well, that's because his true love was the clarinet but his parents wouldn't let him play it, finding it too feminine. So, the world needed to burn.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, holy crap, John Ford made a lot of movies in the 1930s at November 23, 2021 03:45 PM (3EWns)

261 Thanks for the recipe, Doof!

Sounds great for shoveling snow.

Posted by: KT at November 23, 2021 03:46 PM (0ghg2)

262 Poe's short stories are also good, short reads. Murder in the Rue Morgue, Tell-tale Heart, Purloined Letter, Cask of Amontillado, etc.
Posted by: Mrs. Peel at November 23, 2021 03:35 PM (/29pe)


My favorite Poe story is The Gold-Bug.

As a side note, on Sullivan's Island in SC there is a Poe's Tavern, where, rather than wallpaper or paint, the walls in the mens' room are papered with pages from Poe stories.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 23, 2021 03:46 PM (2JVJo)

263 Lennon went to PS #9

Number 9, number 9, number 9

Posted by: Guy Smiley at November 23, 2021 03:46 PM (Bmy3R)

264 Hiya, JT!

Posted by: KT at November 23, 2021 03:46 PM (0ghg2)

265 Leinster is a wonderful writer. Erik Frank Russell is another one. Most of the Analog and Astounding sci fi was written for kids. When I was a kid I spent a lot of time in libraries and I loved the Analog anthologies
Posted by: Kindltot at November 23, 2021 03:42 PM (P9T5R)

For Santa's list:

https://www.nesfa.org/press/author/?auth=murray-leinster

https://www.nesfa.org/press/author/?auth=eric-frank-russell

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at November 23, 2021 03:46 PM (PiwSw)

266 Hello Weasel! Are you going to the in-laws for Thanksgiving?

Posted by: bluebell at November 23, 2021 03:46 PM (wyw4S)

267 250 "Lenin once said that the communist revolution was Soviet power plus the electrification of the whole country," Boris Johnson said.

"Well, I hesitate to quote Lenin at the Confederation of British Industry, but the coming industrial revolution is green power plus the electrification of the whole country," he continued.
Posted by: SMOD at November 23, 2021 03:42 PM (RHGPo)

Wow, that bad?

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 23, 2021 03:46 PM (z5Vrg)

268 262 As a side note, on Sullivan's Island in SC there is a Poe's Tavern, where, rather than wallpaper or paint, the walls in the mens' room are papered with pages from Poe stories.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 23, 2021 03:46 PM (2JVJo)

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Good burgers, too. Not on the walls.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, holy crap, John Ford made a lot of movies in the 1930s at November 23, 2021 03:46 PM (3EWns)

269 >>>Lenin was a shitty bassist.

>But his mastery of the Onophone was unsurpassed.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at November 23, 2021 03:47 PM (BPuaD)

270 That new Dune seemed pretty grim.

Posted by: Boss Moss at November 23, 2021 03:47 PM (KOlLu)

271 For those liking the daily Dante, I also recommend the daily Pepys (perhaps for older kids). That site posts a corresponding entry every day Pepys wrote one, and it was fascinating to follow the political intrigue day to day as he experienced it (He was involved with the Restoration and there was Much Plotting). https://tinyurl.com/u9362mrp

Posted by: Sabrina Chase at November 23, 2021 03:47 PM (CUULq)

272 Louis l'Amour books kept my son reading in middle school. He never really talked about them until a few years ago when he came across a box at a garage sale and called me in great excitement! Adventure, manly men doing manly things. Also Star Trek novels.

Posted by: Wenda at November 23, 2021 03:48 PM (tHGM4)

273 " If you're working at Best Buy for $13.50 an hour are you really going to risk getting beaten up or worse to stop someone who is shoplifting? "

I once worked in a shop where they had a problem with blatant shoplifting. They knew nobody would stop them. They also had the law enforcement response timed to perfection. It was killing the business and I felt terrible for the owner. They really didn't want confrontation, but me being a calm individual, I couldn't watch it. One time the guys came in loaded up and headed for the door. I lost it and grabbed whatever was in reach, which was two pieces of a BBQ set-, a long handled spatula and fork. I stood in front of the door and told them after I was done stabbing their eyes out with the fork, I was going out to the parking lot with some lighter fluid to burn their car and whoever was I it. They left and never came back.

I think the wage was about $9.00 an hour.

Now you know a small part of the reason I'm praying all the time these days.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 23, 2021 03:48 PM (os1+V)

274 Shakespeare was born female in 1537 in Hokkaido, and identified as a lesbian before birth. Handicapped and left confined to a wheelchair due to a tragic postnatal whale blubber processing accident, she dedicated her life to writing about derivatives of European folk tales and penny novels, and the pursuit of mish. Quite a bit about the pursuit of mish, actually. She was fond of mish. Why, this one time she... er, never mind.

In any case as a handicapped Japanese lesbian in the 15 and 1600s, she was naturally an expert on all things middle European. Her writings were stolen en mass by a one-eyed midget pirate/enforcer for the literary mafia that sailed the high seas at the time. The works were smuggled into England in the intestines of sheep disguised as condoms in the bung holes of KC faggots, a luxury product from Constantinople.

She never received the recognition she deserved and died and obscurity, having smothered under a pile of mish.

Posted by: My Pimp Shot My Dealer at November 23, 2021 03:48 PM (xo7B8)

275 There was a fun, slightly dark, movie a while back about an Encyclopedia Brown-like character's life as an adult. The Kid Detective.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair


That stupid ending where he breaks down for no particular reason seems to be an ongoing trend where white male protagonists have to humiliate themselves.

Likewise 'The King' was kind of good until the last 5 minutes where the 'princess' starts sharting on the king. Just a bizarre trend.

We live in a very shitty age for art.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 23, 2021 03:48 PM (1t5dY)

276 Johnny Lanctot at November 23, 2021 03:27 PM

Wow. You played the whole thing? On a cello?

Posted by: KT at November 23, 2021 03:48 PM (0ghg2)

277 Hello Weasel! Are you going to the in-laws for Thanksgiving?
Posted by: bluebell at November 23, 2021 03:46 PM (wyw4S)
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My luck ran out this year. We usually go to a restaurant, but this year my STOOPID SiL opened her big yap and her mother, who is Taiwanese, is having it at her house.

Oh the pain, the pain.

Posted by: Weasel at November 23, 2021 03:49 PM (0IeYL)

278 "Well, I hesitate to quote Lenin at the Confederation of British Industry, but the coming industrial revolution is green power plus the electrification of the whole country," he continued.
Posted by: SMOD at November 23, 2021 03:42 PM (RHGPo)

Wow, that bad?
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 23, 2021 03:46 PM (z5Vrg)

I hope Boris realizes that England is already electrified. So even if he succeeds, he will have achieved nothing. At least Lenin was promising something the nation did not have.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 23, 2021 03:49 PM (eoQWY)

279 Having co-planned junior high and high school Lit classes for the last 6 years (that the spouse has taught to classes of homeschoolers), I can say the most important thing to get kids involved in reading the classic and best works is that you have to let them hate them and express their hate. Kids want to tell you why they suck, and that's okay...especially when you can validate that and yet still tell them why the books matter and how they might grow to see something in them, even if not to like them.

I usually hate a lot of classic Lit - my spouse loves almost all of it. We balance each other well, b/c we assign a broad range of Lit in a particular genre for a year so eventually all the kids tend to have a favorite and a "least favorite" and everything in between.

Posted by: Nova local at November 23, 2021 03:50 PM (exHjb)

280 DW Griffith's film The Birth Of A Nation is also seriously racist.

Except Griffith didn't see it that way and was genuinely baffled at the reaction the film provoked. Of course, his father was a Confederate and Griffith was brought up in the milieu of the antebellum South, but I doubt he was worse than most other people of his time. In fact, Griffith actually toned down the virulent racism in the book the movie was based on, The Clansman.

Part of Griffith's impetus in making Intolerance was to prove to people that he wasn't a racist.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 23, 2021 03:51 PM (2JVJo)

281 That stupid ending where he breaks down for no particular reason…

Yes, I forgot about that. A lot of movies would be greatly improved by chopping off the final ending. That was an exemplar of the type, however.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at November 23, 2021 03:51 PM (olroh)

282 Oh the pain, the pain.
Posted by: Weasel at November 23, 2021 03:49 PM (0IeYL)
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Walk in with a rifle over your shoulder. They'll leave you alone.

Also, I like your hash! Ole! And YOLO.

Posted by: bluebell at November 23, 2021 03:51 PM (wyw4S)

283 BabylonBee: Biden Announces He's Been Told He's Running Again In 2024

Posted by: SMOD at November 23, 2021 03:51 PM (RHGPo)

284 Mary Poppins, yup.
Not that Griffith was a good guy, but just goes to prove, cancel culture has always existed in Hollywood.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 23, 2021 03:51 PM (L2ZTs)

285 I usually hate a lot of classic Lit

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When asked why do we have to read Hawthorne, my teacher simply said, because I had too.

A lot of wisdom in such a simple statement.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at November 23, 2021 03:52 PM (sX1BW)

286 Also, I like your hash! Ole! And YOLO.
Posted by: bluebell at November 23, 2021 03:51 PM (wyw4S)

And also a hearty Yiddish Oy!

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at November 23, 2021 03:52 PM (PiwSw)

287 280 Except Griffith didn't see it that way and was genuinely baffled at the reaction the film provoked. Of course, his father was a Confederate and Griffith was brought up in the milieu of the antebellum South, but I doubt he was worse than most other people of his time. In fact, Griffith actually toned down the virulent racism in the book the movie was based on, The Clansman.

Part of Griffith's impetus in making Intolerance was to prove to people that he wasn't a racist.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 23, 2021 03:51 PM (2JVJo)

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Even charitably, the message is that blacks are children in need of a strong white hand to guide them unless some other white forces take advantage of them.

It's not exactly egalitarian.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, holy crap, John Ford made a lot of movies in the 1930s at November 23, 2021 03:52 PM (3EWns)

288 There's a lot of interesting hashes about.

Posted by: Boss Moss at November 23, 2021 03:53 PM (KOlLu)

289 TJM, yup.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 23, 2021 03:53 PM (L2ZTs)

290 I doubt he was worse than most other people of his time.

Most other Democrats, perhaps. Even at the time a lot of people rightly called it out as obviously racist.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at November 23, 2021 03:53 PM (olroh)

291 I think the perception of racism in 1920 was a lot different than how we view it and define it now.

Posted by: kallisto at November 23, 2021 03:54 PM (DJFLF)

292 288 There's a lot of interesting hashes about.
Posted by: Boss Moss at November 23, 2021 03:53 PM (KOlLu)
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I wanted wEaSL

Posted by: Weasel at November 23, 2021 03:55 PM (0IeYL)

293 Thanks for the recipe, Doof!

Sounds great for shoveling snow.
Posted by: KT at November 23, 2021 03:46 PM (0ghg2)


You're welcome!

(Purposefully avoiding saying "No problem" - for bls46 on the previous thread - haha!)

Posted by: Doof at November 23, 2021 03:55 PM (mZUr4)

294 Louis l'Amour books kept my son reading in middle school. He never really talked about them until a few years ago when he came across a box at a garage sale and called me in great excitement! Adventure, manly men doing manly things. Also Star Trek novels.

Posted by: Wenda at November 23, 2021 03:48 PM (tHGM4)

I donated about a hundred of them to the local library. When Mr. L'amour passed on, they kept finding ways to create books for some reason. Most were short stories,but at one point there was even a sci fi novel. Money well spent, about $29 a book for decades.I gave them up so the next guy could read and own them.

Posted by: Quint at November 23, 2021 03:55 PM (NXntH)

295 Henry Ford was a genius.

Posted by: Boss Moss at November 23, 2021 03:55 PM (KOlLu)

296 I think the perception of racism in 1920 was a lot different than how we view it and define it now.
Posted by: kallisto at November 23, 2021 03:54 PM (DJFLF)



There is no racism only Zuul.

Posted by: Sponge - Michael Byrd MURDERED Ashli Babbitt at November 23, 2021 03:56 PM (Zz0t1)

297 And also a hearty Yiddish Oy!
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes
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Oh you're right, that's an I, not an l. My eyes aren't the greatest these days. Oy!

Posted by: bluebell at November 23, 2021 03:56 PM (wyw4S)

298 291 I think the perception of racism in 1920 was a lot different than how we view it and define it now.
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It was called segregation. See Woody Wilson for the details. Seems the Dems want to go back to the good old days.

Posted by: Puddin Head at November 23, 2021 03:56 PM (Hudry)

299 There's a lot of interesting hashes about.
Posted by: Boss Moss at November 23, 2021 03:53 PM (KOlLu)


As a big fan of music, I'm on the lookout for OU812 and/or 90125.

Posted by: Doof at November 23, 2021 03:57 PM (mZUr4)

300 Birth of a nation should get a remake.

Posted by: Boss Moss at November 23, 2021 03:57 PM (KOlLu)

301 ----
I wanted wEaSL
Posted by: Weasel at November 23, 2021 03:55 PM (0IeYL)



Mine hasn't changed from the house in quite a while. I was hoping for an IP change and (Bl0Me), but alas......

Posted by: Sponge - Michael Byrd MURDERED Ashli Babbitt at November 23, 2021 03:57 PM (Zz0t1)

302 I was into the "Tod Moran" tramp steamer books by Howard Pease. Read deep into the summer nights as a boy.

Posted by: Javems at November 23, 2021 03:57 PM (rTbbK)

303 Thanks to KT I'm thinking soup and grilled cheese for supper.
Only 39 degrees outside

Posted by: Skip at November 23, 2021 03:58 PM (2JoB8)

304 249 Well, there you have it. Top. Men. Top. Women.
Posted by: Gref at November 23, 2021 03:40 PM (AMIL/)

I don't think they're particularly interested in fact, figures or details. Or even objective truth. It's about narratives that enrich themselves and their patrons while placating their true-believer base.
Posted by: Erik in Texas at November 23, 2021 03:42 PM (2siSk)


Oh, yeah, the real message Granholm pitched today was how this (short term) oil supply problem reinforces the need to end our reliance on oil, which we can do by building-up our alternative and renewable energy industry and moving to electric vehicles!!!

The fanatics always have one size fits all policies:
- The economy is out-of-kilter either way: Blame greedy corporations, and spend more Federal money!
- The air temperature is too hot or cold compared to a random baseline year in the past: End human-driven CO2 emissions, and spend more Federal money!
You get the picture. Funny how Democrat government policies are never a cause of any problems, isn't it?

Posted by: Gref at November 23, 2021 03:58 PM (AMIL/)

305 Soothsayer's hash should be:

cKsk3R

Posted by: kallisto at November 23, 2021 03:58 PM (DJFLF)

306 I wanted wEaSL
Posted by: Weasel at November 23, 2021 03:55 PM (0IeYL)


Mine hasn't changed from the house in quite a while. I was hoping for an IP change and (Bl0Me), but alas......
Posted by: Sponge - Michael Byrd MURDERED Ashli Babbitt at November 23, 2021 03:57 PM (Zz0t1)


I want bAc0n, or some version thereof.

Posted by: Jordan61 at November 23, 2021 03:59 PM (Ez6QX)

307
I want bAc0n, or some version thereof.
Posted by: Jordan61 at November 23, 2021 03:59 PM (Ez6QX)




Mmmmmmm.....Bacon......

Posted by: Sponge - Michael Byrd MURDERED Ashli Babbitt at November 23, 2021 03:59 PM (Zz0t1)

308 Also remember that during Woodrow Wilson and DW Griffith's time, Eugenics was the Great New Science Craze.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 23, 2021 03:59 PM (L2ZTs)

309 A far cheaper solution to glowbull warming is hawaiian shirts and air conditioning.

Posted by: Boss Moss at November 23, 2021 03:59 PM (KOlLu)

310 SH (Overturn Roe) at November 23, 2021 03:52 PM

Hawthorne is pretty interesting if you learn a little bit about analysis of literature using Jungian archetypes. Ditto Tarzan.

Posted by: KT at November 23, 2021 04:00 PM (0ghg2)

311 I want bAc0n, or some version thereof.
Posted by: Jordan61 at November 23, 2021 03:59 PM (Ez6QX)


You already had a great one for a while, Jordan-Kai!!

Posted by: Doof at November 23, 2021 04:00 PM (mZUr4)

312 Nood bluebell.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 23, 2021 04:00 PM (z5Vrg)

313 308 Also remember that during Woodrow Wilson and DW Griffith's time, Eugenics was the Great New Science Craze.
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Straight from the Ivies.

Posted by: Puddin Head at November 23, 2021 04:01 PM (Hudry)

314 mine is Nixon the Haldeman.

Posted by: Quint at November 23, 2021 04:01 PM (NXntH)

315 Nood bluebell.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 23, 2021 04:00 PM (z5Vrg)
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I beg your pardon!


Posted by: bluebell at November 23, 2021 04:02 PM (wyw4S)

316 I like Progresso's tomato soups.

Posted by: olddog in mo at November 23, 2021 04:02 PM (ju2Fy)

317 Know what tastes great after a bowl of soup?

Posted by: King Harv at November 23, 2021 04:02 PM (wQ1KQ)

318 Birth of a nation should get a remake.

I guess you haven't seen Django Unchained.

It's cool - you'll see more. Why do you think the Left is so fixed on White Supremacy ? They're really, really good at this.

Just like Antifa and such.

Posted by: Drift Back in Time at November 23, 2021 04:03 PM (5Mx4s)

319 315 Nood bluebell.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 23, 2021 04:00 PM (z5Vrg)
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I beg your pardon!


Posted by: bluebell at November 23, 2021 04:02 PM (wyw4S)


Just trying to generate excitement for the new thread.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 23, 2021 04:03 PM (z5Vrg)

320 King Harv Coffee!

Posted by: Quint at November 23, 2021 04:03 PM (NXntH)

321 Years and years ago they floated the idea of a "carbon tax", then they went all in on "global warming".

It's just a shitload of pseudo-intellectual twaddle wrapped around nonsense in order to impoverish the already fucked over great unwashed masses out of affordable energy.

Energy costs are the linchpin to a "middle class" lifestyle. They are using this as intended, to "transition" away from oil, gas, and coal. No firewood either, no nuclear, no hydroelectric. They've wanted to do this for a very long time.

Posted by: Common Tater at November 23, 2021 04:05 PM (+SVqR)

322 As a side note, on Sullivan's Island in SC there is a Poe's Tavern, where, rather than wallpaper or paint, the walls in the mens' room are papered with pages from Poe stories.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 23, 2021 03:46 PM (2JVJo)

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Did they have the pages in any sort of order, or did you have to wander the bar if you wanted to read a story to completion?

Posted by: No One of Consequence at November 23, 2021 04:05 PM (CAJOC)

323 I think the perception of racism in 1920 was a lot different than how we view it and define it now.
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I've been reading Chesterton, and there's a fair bit of casual racism in there, too.

In "Eugenics and Other Evils", he wants an example of the kind of bad genetic matches that people will naturally want to avoid, without any kind of government intervention, and he settles on "a negress with a hunchback."

(And he's on the non-racist side of the argument! But he was a product of his time, as are we all.)

Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at November 23, 2021 04:06 PM (sGnvY)

324 Energy costs are the linchpin to a "middle class" lifestyle. They are using this as intended, to "transition" away from oil, gas, and coal. No firewood either, no nuclear, no hydroelectric. They've wanted to do this for a very long time.

Posted by: Common Tater at November 23, 2021 04:05 PM (+SVqR)

offsets are for the uber rich. They still use the real fuels but they throw money around to say they offset it. What a bunch of shit. It is like if I lose in a casino, I could throw enough cash around to say I "offset it".

Posted by: Quint at November 23, 2021 04:09 PM (NXntH)

325 Hot take on Twitter today: Chappelle got a Grammy nomination, therefore Cancel Culture is a right wing myth.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at November 23, 2021 04:12 PM (OalnH)

326 Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at November 23, 2021 04:12 PM

Yeah. Tell me about it when they let J.K. Rowling attend an anniversary event for the Harry Potter books.

Posted by: KT at November 23, 2021 04:15 PM (0ghg2)

327 Presentism is a mental defect . Don't get trapped in it like the Left.

Posted by: Just a side note at November 23, 2021 04:17 PM (shMPn)

328 RE Three Ivestigators books: the Internet Archive has the whole series (44 books?) available for download.

https://archive.org /details/threeinvestigators

(remove space after org)

Posted by: badgerwx (lurker & sometime garden thread commenter) at November 23, 2021 04:24 PM (cL7E+)

329 Sweet potato pie is an excellent substitute for pumpkin pie. I bake the sweets, wrapped in foil, at 425 or 450F for an hour (or however long it takes until you feel them "give" when you squeeze). And I use half the sugar called for.

This year we're doing cornish game hens instead of turkey. I thought it would be fun, and a lot less hassle. I bought some turkey necks to make gravy, and I'll bake some stuffing and do the usual mashed potatoes. I'll do a batch of green beans, too, since we froze a lot this summer. If you haven't tried cooking them with some minced onion in "Better Than Bouillon" ham base, you're missing a treat.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess - #SuperStraight at November 23, 2021 04:37 PM (Mzdiz)

330 So I go to Google first (big mistake, I know) and it has a link so people can support Black-owned businesses this holiday season. Meaning Google wholeheartedly endorses a segregated society.

Posted by: Snake Spirit at November 23, 2021 04:49 PM (CdZ4i)

331 Miley, the Duchess - #SuperStraight at November 23, 2021 04:37 PM

Sounds great!

Posted by: KT at November 23, 2021 05:01 PM (0ghg2)

332 Shakespeare looks kind of like the dude who killed people in Waukesha.

Posted by: PJ1 at November 23, 2021 06:09 PM (G1dq6)

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The Ace of Spades HQ Sex-for-Money Skankathon
A D&D Guide to the Democratic Candidates
Margaret Cho: Just Not Funny
More Margaret Cho Abuse
Margaret Cho: Still Not Funny
Iraqi Prisoner Claims He Was Raped... By Woman
Wonkette Announces "Morning Zoo" Format
John Kerry's "Plan" Causes Surrender of Moqtada al-Sadr's Militia
World Muslim Leaders Apologize for Nick Berg's Beheading
Michael Moore Goes on Lunchtime Manhattan Death-Spree
Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears
Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
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