The Morning Rant

SELF DEFENSE
Legal question: How can I protect my home from serious, determined looters?

I'm watching the Rittenhouse trial and the prosecution made the point that deadly force is allowed when you're defending your life, but not when you're protecting your property. You can't shoot somebody if all he's doing is stealing your stuff. When I heard that, I thought, oh boy, I'm screwed.

This was not a problem years ago, but now, with the social contract starting to tear apart, it's now and issue. I'm not a lawyer, so I'm hoping you morons with legal training will weigh in here. But after the 2020 summer of chaos and rioting, the situation I have in mind is this:

BLM decides to hold a protest/demonstration/march in my town, not downtown, but through residential streets, like mine. And the BLM leadership decides that they're just going to break into houses along the way and take whatever stuff they can walk off with. Because reparations. So, what do I do? I can lock my door, but they can bring police-style battering rams. I can stand there with a shotgun and try to look menacing, but what if they don't take me seriously? They can just push me aside and gain entry. Now, as I understand the law, I may be justified in shooting the first guy who pushed me, but if a whole stream of looters gain entry behind him and are not threatening me in any way (other than being in my house), they can just help themselves and there's nothing I can do about it. Yes, I can call the police, but ha ha ha, they'll come an hour or two later and take a report.

So, is there anything I can do, short of turning my house into a fortress? It's frustrating because, paradoxically, the looters are using the cover of law to do what they do. Because no matter what they do, the penalty for a private citizen to stop them in the act is greater than whatever they will be changed with for looting, assuming they're even caught. Look at this:

Why the tf am i still paying for groceries?

Oxford, Connecticut ????

pic.twitter.com/vynvwmL1kv
— Art TakingBack ???? (@ArtValley818_) November 11, 2021

Isn't this just looting? I'm old enough to remember when the police used to shoot looters. And reducing such crimes to 'just property damage', as leftists love to do to justify thedir looting, is morally retrograde:

The open assault on property taking place in cities across the country is clearly a campaign of violence. After all, a standard dictionary definition of violence is “behavior involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something.” That’s right, not just “someone,” but “something” too. That’s not just some technicality: it’s what people generally mean when they use the word “violence.” The term has long encompassed things like burning someone’s house down. Leftist commentators are basically trying to redefine “violence” as a synonym of “assault.”

Why the word games? It could very well be for political ends. After all, much of the hard left is heavily influenced by Marxism. And one of the tenets of Marxism is the rejection of private property rights in favor of communal (in practice, state-) ownership of the means of production. By excluding the seizure and destruction of private property from the meaning of “violence,” they are able to smuggle a key Marxist presumption into our very language.

This is an ominous path. The track record of Marxism is a litany of tyranny, famine, and murder, precisely because of its hostility toward private property.

Property rights are human rights, and we discard them at our own peril.

You know, what I could do is, like the left, change the definition of words to my advantage. In this case, I could redefine the 'self' part of 'self defense' to include my house, my car, and the rest of my property.

An earlier draft version of the Declaration of Independence contained the phrase, borrowed from John Locke, "life, liberty and property" which was eventually changed to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness". That's how important the Founders considered property. It's also one of the Ten Commandments. "Thou shalt not steal" assumes the sanctity of property. This has been corrupted by the Marxists to "Thou shalt not steal, but we shalt". Only they call it liberation.

PropERty DAmAge IS Not vIoLEnCe

Well, This is Disturbing:

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Wednesday Who Dis: Jennifer Wayne, granddaughter of the Duke himself, John Wayne is a country-western singer with her own band, Runaway June.

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Posted by: OregonMuse at 11:17 AM

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1 sponge

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, the hero Gotham deserves at November 12, 2021 11:17 AM (LvTSG)

2 Morning, horde!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at November 12, 2021 11:17 AM (kTF2Z)

3 No idea who dis. Guy looks familiar though.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at November 12, 2021 11:18 AM (kTF2Z)

4 Good morning everyone.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 12, 2021 11:18 AM (mD/uy)

5 Claire was pretty

Posted by: CN at November 12, 2021 11:19 AM (ONvIw)

6 I can't recall his name right off -- but isn't that the actor who years later played Elaine's gruff father on Seinfeld?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 12, 2021 11:19 AM (txdEq)

7 luv dat big aip

Posted by: rhennigantx at November 12, 2021 11:20 AM (yrol0)

8 Claire was pretty
Posted by: CN at November 12, 2021

***
Ah -- Claire Trevor!

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 12, 2021 11:20 AM (txdEq)

9 He's Lawrence Tierney. I ought to know her, but don't.

Claire Windsor, maybe? Just asking.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 12, 2021 11:20 AM (2JVJo)

10 If you're going to live with ghetto rules, you gotta do what the ghetto people do. On the north side of the town I'm in, which has some pretty rough parts. a lot of people keep 2 - 3 pit bulls in their yard at all times. Keeps down the number of people who want to jump the fence and wander around.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 12, 2021 11:20 AM (trdmm)

11 Well, let's see, when you consider the government subsidies for corn, price supports for milk, etc etc. maybe a better view is that we've already paid for it?

Posted by: JEM at November 12, 2021 11:21 AM (8erNz)

12 In the time of chimpanzees, I was a monkey

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at November 12, 2021 11:21 AM (Do5/p)

13 I nooded. No idear who dis.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at November 12, 2021 11:21 AM (dfRN6)

14 Okay, that data/metadata graphic is really funny.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 12, 2021 11:21 AM (DU+/6)

15 8 I recognized photo #2

Posted by: CN at November 12, 2021 11:21 AM (ONvIw)

16 Property rights are human rights.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 12, 2021 11:21 AM (DU+/6)

17 The guy played Elaine's dad in a famous Seinfeld episode...

Posted by: steevy at November 12, 2021 11:21 AM (CYnTg)

18 If that kid running to greet his Dad didn't put a smile on your face, you're a Dem.

Posted by: pep at November 12, 2021 11:21 AM (ZsR3z)

19 So, is there anything I can do, short of turning my house into a fortress?

Yes. Move. To Florida, or some other bastion of American freedom.

Get out of the cities.

Posted by: blaster at November 12, 2021 11:22 AM (mbFEM)

20 Okay, I looked the guy's name up. I don't know why I can't remember it; the surname is shared by another, more famous Hollywoodian, an actress.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 12, 2021 11:22 AM (txdEq)

21 We are living in a theater of the absurd.

Posted by: Count de Monet, Unvaccinated Kulak-American at November 12, 2021 11:22 AM (4I/2K)

22 Just send it!

Posted by: A dude in MI at November 12, 2021 11:22 AM (/6GbT)

23 late to the art thread, but i do LOVE that one. I'd make a room in the house that would be suitable for it if it didn't fit the den as it is now.

and no clue who dis because i haven't looked yet...

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at November 12, 2021 11:22 AM (8D42x)

24 Lawrence Tierney and Claire wazzername

Posted by: Crouching Chigger at November 12, 2021 11:22 AM (OFyOv)

25 Didja see the LAPD's solution to crime?

LAPD Tells Residents To Comply With Anyone Robbing Their Home

https://bit.ly/3kwhqo4

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 12, 2021 11:23 AM (FVME7)

26 I think it's actually quite simple. Position yourself between looters and your stuff and they have to go through you to get your stuff - and they will. There fore your life is threatened. Deadly force is now authorized

Posted by: deadrody at November 12, 2021 11:23 AM (VYv/W)

27 17 The guy played Elaine's dad in a famous Seinfeld episode...
Posted by: steevy at November 12, 2021 11:21 AM (CYnTg)

He looks completely different than when he was young.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at November 12, 2021 11:23 AM (H7k8s)

28 upon further review, i still have no idea who dis, but i sure wish i did...

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at November 12, 2021 11:23 AM (8D42x)

29 Jury is out today in the Rittenhouse trial, lawyers will be arguing about jury instructions all day. Andrew Branca has an interesting thought - he says Prosecution is moving to add a bunch of lesser possible charges now because they know the Big charges aren't going to stick.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 12, 2021 11:23 AM (trdmm)

30 Yeah getting old is a bitch...

Posted by: steevy at November 12, 2021 11:23 AM (CYnTg)

31 I'm watching the Rittenhouse trial and the prosecution made the point that deadly force is allowed when you're defending your life, but not when you're protecting your property. You can't shoot somebody if all he's doing is stealing your stuff.

If I have a garage or wood fence and you are tagging it at 3:00 am, I can legally blow your head off.
Criminal Mischief at Night. Check your state's penal code. Everyone's is different.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 12, 2021 11:24 AM (OCTRt)

32 We are living in a theater of the absurd.

The Dems have become the Dada party. The things they say are just nonsense.

Posted by: pep at November 12, 2021 11:24 AM (ZsR3z)

33 Liu Ting, a city in Chyna.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko gender fluid at November 12, 2021 11:24 AM (qcZW1)

34 He looks completely different than when he was young.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at November 12, 2021 11:23 AM (H7k8s)

Me too.

Posted by: BignJames at November 12, 2021 11:24 AM (AwYPR)

35 You can use deadly force to protect your property in Florida. In fact, you can use deadly force to recover your property.

One reason so many are moving here from the areas they so totally screwed up. Mostly due to them being lazy, cowardly and generally scummy. They let the scum of the Earth take over their Cities and States.

We didn't. We actually got out and did this thing called 'Voting'. It's pretty cool. You should try it up North instead of sitting around waiting for a brick to hit you in the ass.

Posted by: Uncle Rick at November 12, 2021 11:24 AM (48/MM)

36 Who's Dis lady - what a pretty face. Nice delicate bone structure.

Posted by: Count de Monet, Unvaccinated Kulak-American at November 12, 2021 11:24 AM (4I/2K)

37 I can't recall his name right off -- but isn't that the actor who years later played Elaine's gruff father on Seinfeld?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 12, 2021 11:19 AM

(Lawrence Tierney)

We had a funny guy with us in Korea. A tailgunner. They blew his brains out all over the Pacific. ... ... ... There's nothing funny about that.

Posted by: Alton Benes at November 12, 2021 11:25 AM (Do5/p)

38 If taking property is no big thing, shouldn't the government have modeled that philosophy when Pelousy's laptop when missing, rather than act like it was the greatest crime ever?

Posted by: Bete at November 12, 2021 11:25 AM (Ojki1)

39 Texas laws on protecting property, are definitely weighted in favor of the property owner.

Especially. At. Night.

(pro-tip: know the law on what constitutes legal daylight/legal darkness.)

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at November 12, 2021 11:25 AM (QzJWU)

40 LAPD Tells Residents To Comply With Anyone Robbing Their Home

https://bit.ly/3kwhqo4

It'd be cheaper in the long term to just add a 'firearm assessment' to the property tax and give everyone a nine-mike-mike and some hours of training, because little by little the criminal element would be, shall we say, 'depleted'.

Posted by: JEM at November 12, 2021 11:25 AM (8erNz)

41 if looting is basically legalized, then I guess whoever loots my house will be right. dead right.

Posted by: x at November 12, 2021 11:25 AM (oA+QO)

42 In Florida the castle doctrine applies. If they are coming into your house, you can shoot them. Doesn't matter if they are armed or not. It is a legal shooting.

If they are leaving your house with your stuff, then you can't shoot. You life is not in potential danger at that point.

So the key is always are they moving toward you or away from you. If toward you or your house, you are legally allowed to use deadly force to defend yourself, whether they are armed or not.

Posted by: Dave in Fla (fC3dn) at November 12, 2021 11:25 AM (5p7BC)

43 Morning.

You'll notice in the looting video they're loading up on high priced necessities which they'll likely just sell either online or, uh, "door to door".

Posted by: Robert at November 12, 2021 11:25 AM (1Yy3c)

44 Prosecution is moving to add a bunch of lesser possible charges now because they know the Big charges aren't going to stick.

Is that even an option? I would have thought you have to bring any charges before the trial. Or are you referring to letting Rittenhouse plead to a lesser charge in exchange for a guilty plea? He'd be a fool to take it.

Posted by: pep at November 12, 2021 11:25 AM (ZsR3z)

45 Didja see the LAPD's solution to crime?

LAPD Tells Residents To Comply With Anyone Robbing Their Home

https://bit.ly/3kwhqo4
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks

Fuck & You.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 12, 2021 11:25 AM (OCTRt)

46 Didja see the LAPD's solution to crime?

LAPD Tells Residents To Comply With Anyone Robbing Their Home

https://bit.ly/3kwhqo4
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 12, 2021 11:23 AM (FVME7)
++++
Nothing new. In San Francisco some time ago, the police started advising people to leave their cars unlocked so that burglars and thieves wouldn't smash the windows when they decided to loot your car. This would limit the inconvenience and damage when you targeted for property crime.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 12, 2021 11:25 AM (DU+/6)

47 I say go medieval. Hot oil pots, spike traps, moats, etc.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at November 12, 2021 11:25 AM (VwHCD)

48 25 Didja see the LAPD's solution to crime?

LAPD Tells Residents To Comply With Anyone Robbing Their Home

https://bit.ly/3kwhqo4
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 12, 2021 11:23 AM (FVME7)

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"Defending your life or your property is unAmerican."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, the hero Gotham deserves at November 12, 2021 11:25 AM (LvTSG)

49 While I dislike my current town (and will be looking to move again in the near future), I appreciate that my house is protected from riots by being placed far enough away from major population centers.

Get away from areas / suburbs that are easy for rioters to reach.

Posted by: Revenant at November 12, 2021 11:26 AM (cOGHc)

50 If I have a garage or wood fence and you are tagging it at 3:00 am, I can legally blow your head off.
Criminal Mischief at Night. Check your state's penal code. Everyone's is different.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 12, 2021 11:24 AM (OCTRt)

Under Texas law, you ARE allowed to use deadly force to protect your property. Most northern states though are no.

But it's been established over and over that Kyle was protecting his *person* when he fired, not property.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 12, 2021 11:26 AM (trdmm)

51 With all his blatant misconduct shouldn't Binger get disballed?

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker at November 12, 2021 11:26 AM (cSyAR)

52 He looks completely different than when he was young.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at November 12, 2021 11:23 AM

Pipe down, chorus boy.

Posted by: Alton Benes at November 12, 2021 11:26 AM (Do5/p)

53 Burglar: "You're going to call the cops, right?"

Me: "Why? No one knows you're here"

Posted by: rickb223 at November 12, 2021 11:26 AM (OCTRt)

54 38 If taking property is no big thing, shouldn't the government have modeled that philosophy when Pelousy's laptop when missing, rather than act like it was the greatest crime ever?
Posted by: Bete at November 12, 2021 11:25 AM (Ojki1)

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I mean, I think we should apply this theory to the very rich of Beverly Hills.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, the hero Gotham deserves at November 12, 2021 11:26 AM (LvTSG)

55 Thanks for the great video of the toddler running to see his dad.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 12, 2021 11:27 AM (NBppC)

56 33 Liu Ting, a city in Chyna.
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko gender fluid

Very little is insured in China, unless you have serious connections...not much in firearms, but you want to see looters beaten bloody, it's the place.

Posted by: JEM at November 12, 2021 11:27 AM (8erNz)

57 Is that even an option? I would have thought you have to bring any charges before the trial. Or are you referring to letting Rittenhouse plead to a lesser charge in exchange for a guilty plea? He'd be a fool to take it.
Posted by: pep at November 12, 2021 11:25 AM (ZsR3z)

apparently Wisconsin law allows them do to that.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 12, 2021 11:27 AM (trdmm)

58 I'm praying MO's castle doctrine and the amazing number of armed Mormons KC has will keep the violence elsewhere. Sounds callous, I know, but I can't stop it. Like the security expert that died on 9/11 said, "You just want them to choose someone else."

Posted by: Catherine at November 12, 2021 11:27 AM (XnnHY)

59 Under anarcho-tyranny, crimes are either state-sanctioned or not. A state sanctioned criminal is informally an agent of the state. To shoot an antifa looter is as much a crime against the state as to shoot the cop that stands down to allow it, or the prosecutor who would charge you for defending your community or yourself.

Posted by: me at November 12, 2021 11:27 AM (9p+wn)

60 Looting= Terrorism

Posted by: runner at November 12, 2021 11:27 AM (V7qBU)

61 If they are leaving your house with your stuff, then you can't shoot. You life is not in potential danger at that point.

So the key is always are they moving toward you or away from you. If toward you or your house, you are legally allowed to use deadly force to defend yourself, whether they are armed or not.

As a purely academic exercise, this makes some sense. If you shoot someone leaving your house, you've acted as judge, jury, and executioner, and imposing a much steeper sentence than is allowed by law. It's a pretty safe bet, though, that the people making these rules don't live in high crime areas.

Posted by: pep at November 12, 2021 11:27 AM (ZsR3z)

62 38 If taking property is no big thing, shouldn't the government have modeled that philosophy when Pelousy's laptop when missing, rather than act like it was the greatest crime ever?

Posted by: Bete at November 12, 2021 11:25 AM (Ojki1)

You're missing an important point: Taking *your* property is no big thing. Taking *their* property is a big crime.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at November 12, 2021 11:28 AM (GLULz)

63 38 If taking property is no big thing, shouldn't the government have modeled that philosophy when Pelousy's laptop when missing, rather than act like it was the greatest crime ever?
Posted by: Bete at November 12, 2021 11:25 AM (Ojki1)

No no no. You misunderstand. YOUR property is no big deal.

Theirs? Well that is a different story.

Posted by: blaster at November 12, 2021 11:28 AM (mbFEM)

64 Thought shall not interrupt peaceful arsonist protest

Posted by: Skip's Phone at November 12, 2021 11:28 AM (Z48zY)

65 54 38 If taking property is no big thing, shouldn't the government have modeled that philosophy when Pelousy's laptop when missing, rather than act like it was the greatest crime ever

Let's just look at how much of the Federal plod has been militarized to save Biden family 'property' from public disclosure.

Defund the cops. Not all cops, just the FBI.

Posted by: JEM at November 12, 2021 11:28 AM (8erNz)

66 Jury is out today in the Rittenhouse trial, lawyers will be arguing about jury instructions all day. Andrew Branca has an interesting thought - he says Prosecution is moving to add a bunch of lesser possible charges now because they know the Big charges aren't going to stick.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 12, 2021 11:23 AM

I doubt that Judge will entertain any further charges.

Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at November 12, 2021 11:29 AM (bVYXr)

67 The guy played Elaine's dad in a famous Seinfeld episode...
Posted by: steevy at November 12, 2021 11:21 AM (CYnTg)

He looks completely different than when he was young.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional

"Pipe down. chorus boy !"

Posted by: JT at November 12, 2021 11:29 AM (arJlL)

68 If my neighborhood is being invaded, I will look at it with the attitude of "I will end as many of you as possible since I may go to jail for protecting my home."

Posted by: NR Pax at November 12, 2021 11:29 AM (4olE8)

69 58 I'm praying MO's castle doctrine and the amazing number of armed Mormons KC has will keep the violence elsewhere. Sounds callous, I know, but I can't stop it. Like the security expert that died on 9/11 said, "You just want them to choose someone else."
Posted by: Catherine at November 12, 2021 11:27 AM (XnnHY)

Ask the McCloskey's how that's going.

Posted by: blaster at November 12, 2021 11:29 AM (mbFEM)

70 >The Dems have become the Dada party. The things they say are just nonsense.
Posted by: pep at November 12, 2021 11:24 AM (ZsR3z)

Like a urinal descending a staircase.

Posted by: Marcel Duchamp at November 12, 2021 11:30 AM (gryET)

71 61 If they are leaving your house with your stuff, then you can't shoot. You life is not in potential danger at that point."

As I said above, in Texas you CAN shoot someone who's trying to leave with your stuff. Most states are no, though.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 12, 2021 11:30 AM (trdmm)

72 OM:
For home defense, the first and cheapest help is to improve your door locks. Replace the short door screws in the door plate and deadbolt with longer 2" models, maybe add a security bar to brace against the floor.

Next, though there are pros and cons, get a rifle or shotgun. Maybe a 20 gauge might be better for you than a 12ga. If you need help or advice ping me offline, you should have my email.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, load and make ready at November 12, 2021 11:30 AM (V6f9+)

73 Texas Penal Code section 9.42 describes the conditions under which the use of deadly force could be justified to protect property.

https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/ SOTWDocs/PE/htm/PE.9.htm

(remove space after gov/)

Posted by: Oddbob at November 12, 2021 11:30 AM (nfrXX)

74 I'm rural. Some idiot drives all the way out here to rob me is going to end up missing a large percentage of their head and their body tossed in a shallow trench near a field where the vultures can feast on the remains.

Never call the authorities. Maybe call a lawyer. Definitely call a backhoe rental company and have a truckload of lye delivered.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 12, 2021 11:30 AM (BFigT)

75 I'm watching the Rittenhouse trial and the prosecution made the point that deadly force is allowed when you're defending your life, but not when you're protecting your property. You can't shoot somebody if all he's doing is stealing your stuff.
__________
If I have a garage or wood fence and you are tagging it at 3:00 am, I can legally blow your head off.
Criminal Mischief at Night. Check your state's penal code. Everyone's is different.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 12, 2021 11:24 AM (OCTRt)

The Roof Koreans wouldn't have been a "thing" back in the day if they had to operate under these restrictions. Check local/state codes. If it sucks, move. That's where we're at.

Or... Get an interior home security camera. On your phone, have a loop recording of "I'll kill you!". Hit play, shoot, hit pause. You now have security footage of somebody audibly threatening you with bodily harm.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at November 12, 2021 11:30 AM (wAnMi)

76 Under Texas law, you ARE allowed to use deadly force to protect your property.

Your absent neighbor's property too.

https://tinyurl.com/kh373rsj

Posted by: Joe Horn, Pasa-GetDown-dena, TX at November 12, 2021 11:30 AM (4I/2K)

77 Burning, looting, and murdering are infrastructure.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at November 12, 2021 11:31 AM (DTX3h)

78 regarding the Sam Elliot meme above, why not both.

a face colander is a mask, after a fashion...

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at November 12, 2021 11:31 AM (8D42x)

79 Most states have some form of Castle Doctrine on the books, with the usual suspects excluded.

Castle Doctrine is similar to "stand your ground", but is typically limited to real property, including a person's home, property and, in some states, cars or workplaces. The concept is that an individual has a right to be safe and secure within his or her own home or "castle" and should not have to retreat from his or her home in order to be safe. Depending on the state, an individual may have the right to protect himself or herself, other people, and his or her property by force - in some instances even employing deadly force against intruders without retreating.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 12, 2021 11:31 AM (Xrfse)

80 I doubt that Judge will entertain any further charges.

Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at November 12, 2021 11:29 AM (bVYXr)

Curfew violation?...or, is he already charged?

Posted by: BignJames at November 12, 2021 11:31 AM (AwYPR)

81 So, is there anything I can do, short of turning my house into a fortress?
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It will eventually reach a point, if it hasn't already, where the common citizen will have to follow the mantra of ranchers dealing with government-reintroduced wolves.

Shoot, Shovel, Shut Up.

Posted by: Pennsyltucky at November 12, 2021 11:31 AM (lNHqD)

82 OT -
Many months ago I asked for prayers for my wife and I as we(she) had a miscarriage and then she became pregnant again. Many of you offered wonderful words of encouragement and prayers because I came here to type a bit about our loss and it helped me a great deal.
I'd like to tell the horde that Wed at 5:36 PM CST, Fiona Rose [Inogame] was born, and she came home with Mom last night to meet the family. Thank you all for your kindness and prayer.

Posted by: Inogame at November 12, 2021 11:31 AM (rPkiE)

83 Prosecution is moving to add a bunch of lesser possible charges now because they know the Big charges aren't going to stick.

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Littering? He left dead commies in the street.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 12, 2021 11:32 AM (FVME7)

84 Want the right to use deadly force to protect your property? Come to Texas!
(No leftists need apply... unless they want to loot)

https://tinyurl.com/nc5upms7

Posted by: MaDuece at November 12, 2021 11:32 AM (0dmP2)

85 The meme with Fauxcahontas is painfully ironic.
No one has suffered at the hands of the Great White Father more than the native Americans.
As in, every treaty broken, every promise shattered, every square inch of land stolen, the list is a long one.
Also, Custer was a vainglorious a**, hung out to dry by his cohorts.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at November 12, 2021 11:32 AM (jTmQV)

86 Love that vidya. My little sons would do that too. Best feeling in the world.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Scary Leprechaun with a cudgel at November 12, 2021 11:32 AM (xPJvm)

87
*Gorilla*

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 12, 2021 11:32 AM (n+4am)

88 "If you are being robbed... cooperate and comply with their demands."

As we know, people breaking into other people's homes are the clear-cut picture of rationality, and the robbers will certainly stop at just stealing your things, and won't escalate to other things like raping your daughter.

Posted by: Homer's Donuts at November 12, 2021 11:32 AM (HK8/E)

89 If taking property is no big thing, shouldn't the government have modeled that philosophy when Pelousy's laptop when missing, rather than act like it was the greatest crime ever?

Posted by: Bete at November 12, 2021 11:25 AM (Ojki1)

You're missing an important point: Taking *your* property is no big thing. Taking *their* property is a big crime.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at November 12, 2021 11:28 AM

Yep, that's why the fbi has 16 agents investigating the theft of a diary.

Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at November 12, 2021 11:32 AM (bVYXr)

90 44 Prosecution is moving to add a bunch of lesser possible charges now because they know the Big charges aren't going to stick.

Is that even an option? I would have thought you have to bring any charges before the trial. Or are you referring to letting Rittenhouse plead to a lesser charge in exchange for a guilty plea? He'd be a fool to take it.
Posted by: pep at November 12, 2021 11:25 AM (ZsR3z)

How can they just add a bunch of new charges at the last minute? They did this with George Zimmerman and that astounded me. Wouldn't they have to have a whole new trial?

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at November 12, 2021 11:32 AM (GLULz)

91 >Never call the authorities. Maybe call a lawyer. Definitely call a backhoe rental company and have a truckload of lye delivered.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 12, 2021 11:30 AM (BFigT)

Quick lime is your friend.

Posted by: Heavy Meta at November 12, 2021 11:32 AM (gryET)

92
I saw a new sign up in the parking lot of a local grocery store. The shopping cart wheels are now somehow location dependent and will lock up if you try to steal the cart.

Symptom of something but I didn't know that was a problem.

Posted by: Traitor Joe's Military Surplus, Vaccine and Massage Parlor at November 12, 2021 11:32 AM (dQvv7)

93 Didja see the LAPD's solution to crime?

LAPD Tells Residents To Comply With Anyone Robbing Their Home

https://bit.ly/3kwhqo4
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 12, 2021 11:23 AM (FVME7)

If you "cooperate and comply with their demands" isn't that basically just consent? "Well your honor the defendant told my client he could take all his things. His daughter consented to be raped and sodomized. Where did my client break the law?"

Posted by: Robert at November 12, 2021 11:32 AM (1Yy3c)

94 I'm watching the Rittenhouse trial and the prosecution made the point that deadly force is allowed when you're defending your life, but not when you're protecting your property. You can't shoot somebody if all he's doing is stealing your stuff. When I heard that, I thought, oh boy, I'm screwed.

This is what I have been warning everyone about now for a few years. We have imported not only the amorality and traditions of the world, but also their worst practitioners.

If you use google street view at places that support it, most home are built behind thick walls, decorated with concertina wire or some other area denial contraption. First floor windows and doors are barred and the home are made of durable materials. They build understanding a Low Trust Social model

In the former United States most properties are constructed under the High Trust Social model with combustible materials, unprotected and fragile windows, open space parking and largely unfenced very low security property lines.

A multi phase plan is requried. Get the hell out of populated areas and replaced the burned down suburban homes with concrete/tilt-wall inner-portico architecture.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at November 12, 2021 11:32 AM (+LCoQ)

95 43 Morning.

You'll notice in the looting video they're loading up on high priced necessities which they'll likely just sell either online or, uh, "door to door".
Posted by: Robert at November 12, 2021 11:25 AM (1Yy3c)

It is ORC Organized Retail Crime

They then resell like wholesalers to the bodegas. My guess is about. They are quote unquote shopping for what their bodega customer are paying cash for. Its about a $50 Billion industry.

Posted by: rhennigantx at November 12, 2021 11:32 AM (yrol0)

96 Texas Castle Doctrine solves the problem. In Texas, you can use deadly force to protect property.

Posted by: Leland at November 12, 2021 11:32 AM (IG4sd)

97 I'd like to tell the horde that Wed at 5:36 PM CST, Fiona Rose [Inogame] was born, and she came home with Mom last night to meet the family. Thank you all for your kindness and prayer.

Congratulations! Time to start worrying about boys.

Posted by: pep at November 12, 2021 11:33 AM (ZsR3z)

98 LAPD Tells Residents To Comply With Anyone Robbing Their Home

If you comply, is it 'robbery' any longer?

Posted by: t-bird at November 12, 2021 11:33 AM (BvZkh)

99 Not a lawyer but the catch might be in that "deadly" force. Perhaps if it isn't deadly, e.g. kneecapping, you might be able to knock down/disable the first round of invaders, scare the pants out of the next round and save a few things + not get police headaches bonus. That was total spitballing, btw. Plus you'd need perfect aim.

Posted by: Here in Italy at November 12, 2021 11:33 AM (RMmva)

100 70 >The Dems have become the Dada party. The things they say are just nonsense.
Posted by: pep at November 12, 2021 11:24 AM (ZsR3z)

Like a urinal descending a staircase.
Posted by: Marcel Duchamp

I would have expected a frog to know the history of pissing in stairwells. There were female uppercrusts I'd have paid money to watch do it, but I think it was mostly the dudes.

Posted by: JEM at November 12, 2021 11:33 AM (8erNz)

101 In Lassen County a few years ago a perp ran from cops in a stolen car up a sparsely populated grade. He bailed from a car and ran into a strangers unlocked home where Mr. and Mrs. were sitting in their living room. He threatened to harm them if he didn't get their car keys so they pointed where they were and he ran outside to steal their truck.

The Mrs. went to their room for the Mr.'s pistol who took it outside and stood in front of his truck in the driveway. When the perp put the struck in gear he was shot once through the windshield killing him.

The sheriff said it was a good shoot and the matter was closed.

The Farmers Insurance guy said he's seen a thing or two.

Posted by: torabora at November 12, 2021 11:34 AM (TJtMh)

102 Curfew violation?...or, is he already charged?
Posted by: BignJames at November 12, 2021 11:31 AM (AwYPR)

He is charged with that. Actually it is disobeying an emergency order. This is a $200 fine.

He is also charged with illegal possession of a dangerous weapon. Which is a misdemeanor with up to 9 months in prison.

Those two are pretty well established by everyone's testimony.

Posted by: blaster at November 12, 2021 11:34 AM (mbFEM)

103 Lawrence Tierney and Claire Trevor in Born To Kill.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 12, 2021 11:34 AM (63Dwl)

104 I'd like to tell the horde that Wed at 5:36 PM CST, Fiona Rose [Inogame] was born, and she came home with Mom last night to meet the family. Thank you all for your kindness and prayer.
Posted by: Inogame at November 12, 2021 11:31 AM (rPkiE)

Lovely, just lovely! Congrats to you and the Mrs.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at November 12, 2021 11:34 AM (GLULz)

105 Get away from areas / suburbs that are easy for rioters to reach.
Posted by: Revenant at November 12, 2021 11:26

How about that light rail!

Posted by: Beartooth at November 12, 2021 11:34 AM (e/VZF)

106 How can they just add a bunch of new charges at the last minute? They did this with George Zimmerman and that astounded me. Wouldn't they have to have a whole new trial?

That's my thought. A plea bargain is different because both parties agree to it.

Posted by: pep at November 12, 2021 11:34 AM (ZsR3z)

107 Architect solves riots and crime problem:

https://tinyurl.com/5t48evyv

Posted by: rhennigantx at November 12, 2021 11:34 AM (yrol0)

108 I'd like to tell the horde that Wed at 5:36 PM CST, Fiona Rose [Inogame] was born, and she came home with Mom last night to meet the family.

Awesome! Congrats!

Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 12, 2021 11:34 AM (Xrfse)

109 Quick lime is your friend.
Posted by: Heavy Meta at November 12, 2021 11:32 AM (gryET)

Pigs gotta eat, same as worms

Posted by: A dude in MI at November 12, 2021 11:34 AM (/6GbT)

110 Posted by: Inogame at November 12, 2021 11:31 AM (rPkiE)

I remember you asking for prayers after your wife's miscarriage and for the new baby that was coming. Thanks for letting us now. God bless your family. That's a lovely name-Fiona Rose.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 12, 2021 11:34 AM (YK8CE)

111 I'd like to tell the horde that Wed at 5:36 PM CST, Fiona Rose [Inogame] was born, and she came home with Mom last night to meet the family. Thank you all for your kindness and prayer.
Posted by: Inogame at November 12, 2021 11:31 AM (rPkiE)

Oh that is outstanding good news! Congratulations!!

Posted by: Count de Monet, Unvaccinated Kulak-American at November 12, 2021 11:35 AM (4I/2K)

112 You can't shoot somebody if all he's doing is stealing your stuff. When I heard that, I thought, oh boy, I'm screwed.
---------
When I purchased my first firearm in '93 (thanks Brady Bill), I was temporarily working in Arizona. At that time, a gun safety class was required. The instructor, a retired cop, said this was the case at the time.

If somebody walked up to you, said I'm stealing your car, It doesn't threaten you physically -- you were not allowed to stop them. I said "that's bullshit, my property represents the hard-earned fruits of my labor and the thousands of hours of my life time spent, and I'm allowed to defend that? So if some mob walks up to my home with torches, but doesn't personally threaten me, I have to let them burn it down?"
He said "Not unless you 'believe' somebody is inside. Wink wink, nudge nudge." Crazy.
Anyway, I know live in AZ and that's no longer the case with constitutional carry and very strong castle doctrine/stand your ground laws; not that laws matter anymore.

Posted by: ShainS -- Let's Poop Brandon! at November 12, 2021 11:35 AM (0BW5E)

113 Willowed
Perhaps a Haiku is in order?
Posted by: Heavy Meta at November 12, 2021 10:54 AM (gryET)

OK.
The stranger broke in
He could not fill up his bag
Useless broken arm.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 12, 2021 11:35 AM (axyOa)

114 98 LAPD Tells Residents To Comply With Anyone Robbing Their Home

If you comply, is it 'robbery' any longer?
Posted by: t-bird

It'd be a kick to see someone start piling their stuff in the front yard "City says it's yours".

Good way to start a redecoration project, I suppose. Of course then you'll have to do it again in four months.

Posted by: JEM at November 12, 2021 11:35 AM (8erNz)

115 If my neighborhood is being invaded, I will look at it with the attitude of "I will end as many of you as possible since I may go to jail for protecting my home."
Posted by: NR Pax at November 12, 2021 11:29 AM (4olE

Every single day the local bay area media posts several crime videos and keeps asking "how do we stop this?" the irony seemingly lost on them. Look no further than DA's like Chesa Boudin. Every single DA in the greater bay area is a Soros funded activist. And it looks like many other cities are going the same route across the country.

At some point, we're going to see people trying to protect their homes and properties against these emboldened criminals. There's going to have to be a point people start protecting themselves, their property and their livelihoods. Kyle won't be an outlier.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at November 12, 2021 11:35 AM (wAnMi)

116 Look, it should be pretty clear to the Horde that they are deliberately prosecuting Rittenhouse to send the message that all of us must submit to our Antifa/BLM overlords. I have been arguing with Mr. TheTemp that we need to sell the house and move to a red state, or at least a redder part of our state. We saw Antifa/BLM march through some suburb last year, and all the residents came out quietly standing in their front yards with rifles. Unexpectedly, the march was really, really peaceful. What Kenosha is doing is saying next time, they will arrest everybody with the riles and let Antifa burn your house down. So your great choice is to defend your property or spend the rest of your life in jail. I'm guessing this jury does what juries always do, and convict Rittenhouse on some lesser charge (I think manslaughter is one of them, or maybe the gun charge) - and then it's open season on us.

Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at November 12, 2021 11:35 AM (GZ/yK)

117 With video cameras at every suburban intersection, FBI drones flying overhead during riots, and ring cameras at a lot of doors, just remember that whatever you do may be recorded. Be prepared.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 12, 2021 11:35 AM (NBppC)

118
Blueberry Muffin Top: Biden's poo overflowing his Depends.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 12, 2021 11:35 AM (s2VJv)

119 It will eventually reach a point, if it hasn't already, where the common citizen will have to follow the mantra of ranchers dealing with government-reintroduced wolves.

Shoot, Shovel, Shut Up.

Posted by: Pennsyltucky at November 12, 2021 11:31 AM

Anything happens to my property, I got a .45 and shovel. I doubt anybody would miss you.

Posted by: Mel Horowitz at November 12, 2021 11:36 AM (Do5/p)

120 Congratulations, Inogame!

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 12, 2021 11:36 AM (DU+/6)

121 In Lassen County a few years ago a perp ran from cops in a stolen car up a sparsely populated grade. He bailed from a car and ran into a strangers unlocked home where Mr. and Mrs. were sitting in their living room. He threatened to harm them if he didn't get their car keys so they pointed where they were and he ran outside to steal their truck.

The Mrs. went to their room for the Mr.'s pistol who took it outside and stood in front of his truck in the driveway. When the perp put the struck in gear he was shot once through the windshield killing him.

The sheriff said it was a good shoot and the matter was closed.

The Farmers Insurance guy said he's seen a thing or two.
Posted by: torabora at November 12, 2021 11:34 AM (TJtMh)

Shame about the windshield and any blood spatter on the interior.

Posted by: Count de Monet, Unvaccinated Kulak-American at November 12, 2021 11:36 AM (4I/2K)

122 105 Get away from areas / suburbs that are easy for rioters to reach.
Posted by: Revenant at November 12, 2021 11:26

How about that light rail!
Posted by: Beartooth

MARTA.

Posted by: JEM at November 12, 2021 11:36 AM (8erNz)

123 In Texas, you can use deadly force to protect property
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How it should be. I probably wouldn't want to shoot a burglar, to be honest, but this should be the law's position on it.

And it should be mandatory to shoot arsonists and looters.

Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at November 12, 2021 11:36 AM (sGnvY)

124 LAPD Tells Residents To Comply With Anyone Robbing Their Home

====

I hear Montecito is nice this time if year. Not exactly LA, but what's 1.5 drive? Bring a UHAUL!

Posted by: runner at November 12, 2021 11:36 AM (V7qBU)

125 There's so much confusion how things like Stand Your Ground or Castle Doctrine work from state to state or even from county to county in places. If you ever have a chance to attend a US Law Shield event in your area, it's worth it. Their seminars are usually either very low cost or free, and the information is top notch. Their law seminars usually feature at the very least a cop and a lawyer who have actual experience in self-defense cases, not ones who have just "read the manual." It is seriously worth your time.

https://tinyurl.com/59kx5mch

disclaimer: I'm a US Law Shield member and my business is a US Law Shield affiliate, but I don't get money or kickbacks or anything from mentioning them.

Posted by: Pennsyltucky at November 12, 2021 11:36 AM (lNHqD)

126 I'd like to tell the horde that Wed at 5:36 PM CST, Fiona Rose [Inogame] was born, and she came home with Mom last night to meet the family. Thank you all for your kindness and prayer.
Posted by: Inogame

CONGRATULATIONS !

Posted by: JT at November 12, 2021 11:36 AM (arJlL)

127 98

In California robbery is the taking from another of property by means of force or fear.

Posted by: torabora at November 12, 2021 11:36 AM (TJtMh)

128 The short answer to the question is, you would need to create an armed force sufficient not only to repel the Antifa thugs when they break into your house, but also to deter the police from dropping the hammer on you afterwards.

Of course, that's easier said than done.

Posted by: Dr. T at November 12, 2021 11:37 AM (tp+tP)

129 Quick lime is your friend.
Posted by: Heavy Meta at November 12, 2021 11:32 AM (gryET)

Said it before and I'll say it again. Camping shovel, plastic tarp, bag of lime. In your garage or in your car trunk. You never know when you're going to need to do some very early morning gardening.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at November 12, 2021 11:37 AM (wAnMi)

130 I doubt that Judge will entertain any further charges.

Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at November 12, 2021 11:29 AM (bVYXr)

Curfew violation?...or, is he already charged?

Posted by: BignJames at November 12, 2021 11:31 AM

IIRC they already charged him with that.

Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at November 12, 2021 11:37 AM (bVYXr)

131 I'd like to tell the horde that Wed at 5:36 PM CST, Fiona Rose [Inogame] was born, and she came home with Mom last night to meet the family. Thank you all for your kindness and prayer.
Posted by: Inogame at November 12, 2021 11:31 AM (rPkiE)

Congratulations, papa!

Fiona Rose is a lovely name.

Posted by: Robert at November 12, 2021 11:37 AM (1Yy3c)

132 >I saw a new sign up in the parking lot of a local grocery store. The shopping cart wheels are now somehow location dependent and will lock up if you try to steal the cart.

Symptom of something but I didn't know that was a problem.
Posted by: Traitor Joe's Military Surplus, Vaccine and Massage Parlor at November 12, 2021 11:32 AM (dQvv7)

You're obviously not from the heavily-populated area of Oregon, where the stolen shopping cart has become the conveyance du jour for the "possessions" of the large number of bums that we've attracted.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at November 12, 2021 11:37 AM (cSs/W)

133
Congratulations! Time to start worrying about boys.
Posted by: pep at November 12, 2021 11:33 AM (ZsR3z)

She's our second daughter.. so just need more ammo... lol

Posted by: Inogame at November 12, 2021 11:37 AM (rPkiE)

134 Love that vidya. My little sons would do that too. Best feeling in the world.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Scary Leprechaun with a cudgel

Nice !

Posted by: JT at November 12, 2021 11:37 AM (arJlL)

135 Curfew violation?...or, is he already charged?
Posted by: BignJames at November 12, 2021 11:31 AM (AwYPR)

They're adding reckless endangerment, reckless shooting, all those kinds of lesser charges to each murder charge. Apparently a quirk in Wisconsin Law allows this.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 12, 2021 11:37 AM (trdmm)

136 I've asked myself that question many times while standing in line at Walgreen's as I watch people walk in and out taking whatever they want.

But now that place is closing. So I wont be waiting in line there anymore.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 12, 2021 11:37 AM (EZebt)

137 102. I thought the judge dismissed the curfew charge at the beginning of the trial?

Posted by: Jen the original at November 12, 2021 11:37 AM (/PxzR)

138 The little guy throwing off his hat and running as fast as his short little legs would carry him to hug his returning trucker pappa was great.

Made my morning quite a bit brighter.
Thanks, OM.

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 12, 2021 11:37 AM (/GUVr)

139 Even in SF they got enough votes to try a recall on Boudin

Posted by: steevy at November 12, 2021 11:38 AM (CYnTg)

140 Prosecution is moving to add a bunch of lesser possible charges now because they know the Big charges aren't going to stick.

Of course they are. And if, by a miracle, Rittenhouse walks out of court a free man, the word will go out to every police department within a 500-mile radius - orders of Antifa / BLM / DNC - if the kid so much as thinks about jaywalking, throw his ass in jail and Epstein him.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 12, 2021 11:38 AM (2JVJo)

141 Alabama has Castle Doctrine. You can shoot to protect your stuff.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at November 12, 2021 11:38 AM (bGrv1)

142 Congratulations on the new baby, Inogame!

Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at November 12, 2021 11:38 AM (PHxng)

143 In Florida the castle doctrine applies. If they are coming into your house, you can shoot them. Doesn't matter if they are armed or not. It is a legal shooting.

If they are leaving your house with your stuff, then you can't shoot. You life is not in potential danger at that point.

So the key is always are they moving toward you or away from you. If toward you or your house, you are legally allowed to use deadly force to defend yourself, whether they are armed or not.
Posted by: Dave in Fla (fC3dn) at November 12, 2021

***
These picky little details are a big part of why our civilization is crumbling.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 12, 2021 11:38 AM (txdEq)

144 Prosecution will add attempted murder for every unfired round kyle was carrying.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at November 12, 2021 11:38 AM (0ryfU)

145 Shame about the windshield and any blood spatter on the interior.
Posted by: Count de Monet, Unvaccinated Kulak-American at November 12, 2021 11:36 AM (4I/2K)

I got this

Posted by: Winston Wolf at November 12, 2021 11:38 AM (/6GbT)

146 The Biden home defense plan is to fire a shotgun through the door.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 12, 2021 11:38 AM (FVME7)

147 I hear Montecito is nice this time if year. Not exactly LA, but what's 1.5 drive? Bring a UHAUL!
Posted by: runner at November 12, 2021 11:36 AM (V7qBU)

We need to start doxxing right wing people by accidentally giving out the wrong addresses. You think if somebody tried to break into Al Gore's or Oprah's Montecito homes they wouldn't be killed? I'd love to see just how the media sides if a bunch of BLM/antifa types get killed breaking into a celebrity home.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at November 12, 2021 11:39 AM (wAnMi)

148 Red's Tube Bar!

Posted by: Dr. Varno at November 12, 2021 11:39 AM (vuisn)

149 ..As I said above, in Texas you CAN shoot someone who's trying to leave with your stuff. Most states are no, though. Posted by: Tom Servo at November 12, 2021 11:30 AM (trdmm)

Yes, and here's why. Say that large screen TV that the thief is walking out with cost you $1,000 at purchase. To the left, what's a mere $1,000, right? Uh, not so fast.

Presume one is making $1,000 per week. Out of that income, 1/3 is lost to taxes. Now, you've got mortgage/rent, utilities, food, car payment and much etc., besides. Maybe you can set aside $40/mo. for that TV? You might've had to save for months, even more than a year to have set aside enough to have bought that TV, or conversely, make payments on it for that long, or longer. Half a year or more out of your life that can't be replaced.

Thieves steal time off of your life, and THAT is the crime. Anyone tries to steal time off of my life, is about the same as killing me that much sooner than the sand in my hourglass might otherwise say. Makes it a Capital Offense, in my book. Texas law pretty much sees it that way, too. (yes, exceptions, different discussion.)

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at November 12, 2021 11:39 AM (QzJWU)

150 Under Common Law, "Burglary" had a specific definition, it meant breaking and entering into a home at night presumably when occupants were likely to be asleep.

Penalties for Burglary were "enhanced" as the saying goes, because people can't be expected to be able to defend themselves when asleep.

"Night" was defined as that period from dusk to dawn, when illumination was such that a persons facial features could not be distinguished or recognized.

Posted by: Common Tater at November 12, 2021 11:39 AM (aENAX)

151 The only person with a chance of being charged with a crime in that grocery store theft video is the man who pushed a shopping cart in front of the getaway van. FIB to investigate reckless endangerment to members of a protected class.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at November 12, 2021 11:40 AM (fs1hN)

152 A few years ago, a guy in Alabama shot a thief robbing his neighbor. No charges.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at November 12, 2021 11:40 AM (bGrv1)

153 I know two men here in Texas who shot a killed bad guys that were trying to do harm to them. One was at his farmhouse and a bad guy who knew his grown son showed up threatening the man and his son. Police were called and they went to the wrong place, meanwhile the bad guy started pushing his way onto the property telling them he was going to harm them. The DA in that county was kin to the bad guy and charged the shooter with murder, about year and lots of money finally kept it from going to trial.

Second case was a man with a pick axe was trying to break into my friends garage during the dark hours. When bad guy was confronted he charged my friend with the axe in his hand and was shot and died. Friend was charge with murder by a lady detective who did not understand the law, with the help of a good attorney the Grand Jury did a 'no bill' on my friend and it was over.

Both bad guys were white and the men who had to defend themselves thought it was good thing the bad guys were not of other ethnic origins. Even here in Texas things can go wonky so my suggestion is to only shoot if you or your family are in danger of physical damage, then get a good lawyer.

Posted by: OldTexan at November 12, 2021 11:40 AM (QEtKQ)

154 Burglar: "You're going to call the cops, right?"

Me: "Why? No one knows you're here"

Sometimes they even provide you with their own coffin parked in your driveway. Once you determine that the gunfire in the house hasn't attracted any attention, its a simple matter of dragging the carcass out and into the vehicle, driving off to a vacant lot and filling the vehicle with lit flares.

A very honorable ersatz Viking style funeral.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at November 12, 2021 11:40 AM (+LCoQ)

155 I'm not a lawyer either but my understanding of what you're allowed to defend with deadly force is different in different states.

In some you're allowed to defend your "castle", in others you're required to retreat if at all possible. Looter comes in the back door, you go out the front. In some states you're required to retreat from a threat when you're out and about and in others you're allowed to "stand your ground". Some states seem to include defending your car or truck even if you're not in it. Defending your business from robbers seems like it usually counts as your "castle".

I think that generally, you're allowed to defend other people, pretty much anywhere, with the same "fear for your life" and reasonable man standard for self-defense.

Posted by: Synova at November 12, 2021 11:40 AM (BD/yx)

156 Oh, that homecoming clip is precious!

Posted by: Lizzy at November 12, 2021 11:41 AM (bDqIh)

157 So the key is always are they moving toward you or away from you. If toward you or your house, you are legally allowed to use deadly force to defend yourself, whether they are armed or not.

What if they're hopping up and down? Can you get them on the descent, but not the ascent?

Posted by: pep at November 12, 2021 11:41 AM (ZsR3z)

158 Shame about the windshield and any blood spatter on the interior.

I would hope the thief had thievery insurance.

Posted by: t-bird at November 12, 2021 11:41 AM (dYmWY)

159 Should have taken a pic of the VIN numbers; those are unique and generally found through the windshield on the lower driver's side.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 12, 2021 11:41 AM (ynpvh)

160 Posted by: Inogame at November 12, 2021 11:31 AM

Congratulations and good luck to all three of you.

Posted by: huerfano at November 12, 2021 11:41 AM (MzKgG)

161 Wow. Author must have had the same nightmare as me last night. If states don't shore up our rights to defend our turf, we're in for a lot of rioting, where we watch as people destroy. Then insurance won't cover civil unrest, and government will scoop up fire sale bargains, and we're out on the streets.

Posted by: Coki at November 12, 2021 11:41 AM (MTxFn)

162 I'm a US Law Shield member

Same here. Satisfied with them so far but I guess where the rubber meets the road is if I really need them. Knock on wood.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 12, 2021 11:42 AM (Xrfse)

163 Except everyone has those fucking doorbell cameras now.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at November 12, 2021 11:42 AM (0ryfU)

164 Even in SF they got enough votes to try a recall on Boudin
Posted by: steevy at November 12, 2021 11:38 AM (CYnTg)

It's pretty funny that even leftists have had it up to their eyeballs. It'll also be interesting their take when he remains in office. Recently (2018 I believe), the Santa Clara DA (a Soros operative) had a runoff against another, more radical Soros fund baby. They ran a completely in the open radical so the current guy seemed like a moderate and kept his position.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at November 12, 2021 11:42 AM (wAnMi)

165 Does CT have the $900 rule like Cali?

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at November 12, 2021 11:42 AM (OalnH)

166 Stupidity should be painful.

Criminal stupidity should be lethal.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 12, 2021 11:42 AM (aqyad)

167 He looks completely different than when he was young.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at November 12, 2021 11:23 AM (H7k8s)

Me too.
Posted by: BignJames at November 12, 2021 11:24 AM (AwYPR)

funny enough, i look almost exactly the same. little bit of grey now, but pretty close.

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at November 12, 2021 11:42 AM (8D42x)

168 In the olden days, they'd hang horse thieves. Now, they'd hand them the horse.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 12, 2021 11:42 AM (ynpvh)

169 >>> Architect solves riots and crime problem:

https://tinyurl.com/5t48evyv
Posted by: rhennigantx at November 12, 2021 11:34 AM (yrol0)

Bronson, the man with the asbestos grip.

Posted by: banana Dream at November 12, 2021 11:42 AM (l4HL2)

170 I received Good news/Bad news last night.
Oldest son and wife are expecting a baby in the spring.
Anyone who comes into contact with the baby must have Whooping cough and COVID shots. No exceptions, no negative test accepted.
I am crushed but will not be blackmailed

Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at November 12, 2021 11:42 AM (PHxng)

171 Did bicep-less man do any jail/prison time for assault or attempted murder? I don't recall.

Posted by: Emmie at November 12, 2021 11:42 AM (6RgRK)

172 I'd like to tell the horde that Wed at 5:36 PM CST, Fiona Rose [Inogame] was born, and she came home with Mom last night to meet the family. Thank you all for your kindness and prayer.
Posted by: Inogame at November 12, 2021 11:31 AM
===
Mazel!

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 12, 2021 11:43 AM (EZebt)

173 Oregon Muse, they don't have the Castle Doctrine or Stand Your Ground where you live?

Obviously if someone who comes uninvited onto my property, then decides discretion is to leave my property because they saw me with a firearm, I can't shoot them as they are leaving. But if they continue toward me, then all bets are off.

Posted by: That Guy What Always Says Yeah Buddy TM at November 12, 2021 11:43 AM (R5lpX)

174 Burglar: "You're going to call the cops, right?"

Me: "Why? No one knows you're here"

Sometimes they even provide you with their own coffin parked in your driveway. Once you determine that the gunfire in the house hasn't attracted any attention, its a simple matter of dragging the carcass out and into the vehicle, driving off to a vacant lot and filling the vehicle with lit flares.

A very honorable ersatz Viking style funeral.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at November 12, 2021 11:40 AM (+LCoQ)
***

Concur.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 12, 2021 11:43 AM (axyOa)

175 You're obviously not from the heavily-populated area of Oregon, where the stolen shopping cart has become the conveyance du jour for the "possessions" of the large number of bums that we've attracted.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at November 12, 2021 11:37 AM

Now that you mention it there is some rumor of a bum encampment in the area near that store here in suburban PennsylTuckey. Some sort of bag lady got seriously run over recently crossing a four lane highway at night.

Posted by: Traitor Joe's Military Surplus, Vaccine and Massage Parlor at November 12, 2021 11:43 AM (dQvv7)

176 Today's Edition Of The Morning Rant Is Brought To You By Blueberry Muffins:...

...or chihuahuas!

Posted by: Muldoon at November 12, 2021 11:43 AM (m45I2)

177 Shot a man while robbing his castle.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at November 12, 2021 11:43 AM (0ryfU)

178 138 The little guy throwing off his hat and running as fast as his short little legs would carry him to hug his returning trucker pappa was great.

Made my morning quite a bit brighter.

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 12, 2021 11:37 AM (/GUVr)

I knew it would go over big with teh Horde.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at November 12, 2021 11:43 AM (GLULz)

179 I'd like to tell the horde that Wed at 5:36 PM CST, Fiona Rose [Inogame] was born, and she came home with Mom last night to meet the family. Thank you all for your kindness and prayer.
Posted by: Inogame at November 12, 2021 11:31 AM (rPkiE)

WOOOHOO!!!!

congrats!!

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at November 12, 2021 11:43 AM (8D42x)

180 Our lying press and soft leaders hamstring soldiers all the time on the battlefield.
We're about to know what that feels like on the homefront.

Posted by: Coki at November 12, 2021 11:44 AM (MTxFn)

181 >>> In the olden days, they'd hang horse thieves. Now, they'd hand them the horse.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 12, 2021 11:42 AM (ynpvh)

Then pay them 450K if any of their kids were inconvenienced during the commission of the crime.

Posted by: banana Dream at November 12, 2021 11:44 AM (l4HL2)

182 *pauses*

Apparently the Left equates all theft as the stolen bread from Les Mis.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 12, 2021 11:44 AM (aqyad)

183 Out in the Texas countryside, there are always buzzards flying around. Nobody pays them much attention, unless you are trying to find a missing calf on your ranch.

Posted by: Drc at November 12, 2021 11:44 AM (vbaSG)

184 I'm a US Law Shield member

Same here. Satisfied with them so far but I guess where the rubber meets the road is if I really need them. Knock on wood.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 12, 2021 11:42 AM

I am USCCA and carry every day, that card with the 24/7 lawyer phone number on it is worth the $495 a year gold dues.

Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at November 12, 2021 11:44 AM (bVYXr)

185 Obviously if someone who comes uninvited onto my property, then decides discretion is to leave my property because they saw me with a firearm, I can't shoot them as they are leaving. But if they continue toward me, then all bets are off.
Posted by: That Guy What Always Says Yeah Buddy TM at November 12, 2021 11:43 AM (R5lpX)

Brandishing! Lock him up!

Posted by: Soros' Hack DA at November 12, 2021 11:44 AM (4I/2K)

186 In California, breaking into your home is presumed to be a deadly threat and justifies deadly force to defend. This presumption can be overcome, but the burden of proof that it wasn't justified is on the state. Also, stopping an arson of an occupied building is justification for use of deadly force. But defending unoccupied property by use of deadly force is not legal.

Posted by: Socratease at November 12, 2021 11:44 AM (oqnjT)

187 As an ette and over 29 anyone comes into my house uninvited I am in fear for my life. CO probably rolled back their "make my day" as the FNM called it, castle doctrine law that spelled out that one was allowed to assume anyone who would break into your occupied house was a serious threat and you could use deadly force to neutralize that threat. But fearing for my life, or if I was a 'ron fearing harm to wife or kids is still a legal defense. In my county, I believe I am not yet at risk of a Soros DA maliciously prosecuting me. The day I think otherwise I need to move to my undeveloped lot in WY, then start getting power, well etc. once I'm out of the blue shithole state.

Posted by: PaleRider, cheerful clinger at November 12, 2021 11:44 AM (3cGpq)

188 171 Did bicep-less man do any jail/prison time for assault or attempted murder? I don't recall.

Posted by: Emmie at November 12, 2021 11:42 AM (6RgRK)

Doubtful. He probably made a deal with the prosecution to testify. Besides, he was on ANTIFA/BLM's side, and they sometimes get prosecuted (like when they go the "wrong" places, e.g. protected people).

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 12, 2021 11:44 AM (ynpvh)

189 I received Good news/Bad news last night.
Oldest son and wife are expecting a baby in the spring.
Anyone who comes into contact with the baby must have Whooping cough and COVID shots. No exceptions, no negative test accepted.
I am crushed but will not be blackmailed
Posted by: Gouverneur Morris

Is this their first kid?

Posted by: rickb223 at November 12, 2021 11:44 AM (OCTRt)

190 I'd like to tell the horde that Wed at 5:36 PM CST, Fiona Rose [Inogame] was born, and she came home with Mom last night to meet the family. Thank you all for your kindness and prayer.
Posted by: Inogame at November 12, 2021 11:31 AM

Awesome!!!
Welcome to the Horde Fiona!

Posted by: Diogenes at November 12, 2021 11:44 AM (axyOa)

191 Quick lime is your friend.
Posted by: Heavy Meta at November 12, 2021

***
As I recall, mystery authors used to have it as a regular tool for murderers disposing of a body. But then it came out, somewhere, that in fact quicklime actually helps to preserve a body, not decompose or dissolve it. Which is true?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 12, 2021 11:44 AM (txdEq)

192 Lawrence Tierney in "Red"

https://tinyurl.com/m2bsrszf

Moron-worthy pranks.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at November 12, 2021 11:44 AM (vuisn)

193 176 Today's Edition Of The Morning Rant Is Brought To You By Blueberry Muffins:...

...or chihuahuas!
Posted by: Muldoon at November 12, 2021 11:43 AM (m45I2)

ISWYDT.

(I'm actually surprised you remember)

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at November 12, 2021 11:44 AM (GLULz)

194 If a group of marauders come to our neighborhood they will be met with a wall of lead and steel. We will not fuck around with these types.

Posted by: Capital Eff believes #RonnaMustGo #McCarthyMustGo #McConnellMustGo at November 12, 2021 11:45 AM (2xGy+)

195 Oldest son and wife are expecting a baby in the spring.
Anyone who comes into contact with the baby must have Whooping cough and COVID shots. No exceptions, no negative test accepted.
I am crushed but will not be blackmailed
Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at November 12, 2021 11:42 AM (PHxng)

That is evil. Sorry to say that about your family members.

Posted by: Emmie at November 12, 2021 11:45 AM (6RgRK)

196 Speaking of incredible bullshit, the AP has the Rittenhouse story classified under "Racial Injustice".

https://bit.ly/3C4Btjm

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 12, 2021 11:45 AM (FVME7)

197 "Even here in Texas things can go wonky "

Because *even* in Texas (or Wyoming or Utah or Oklahoma or any deep red state), it's the local prosecutors who decide who to charge with what. And at the local level, very easy to get a far leftist in a deep red state. See also teachers/school boards.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at November 12, 2021 11:45 AM (OalnH)

198 I'd like to tell the horde that Wed at 5:36 PM CST, Fiona Rose [Inogame] was born, and she came home with Mom last night to meet the family. Thank you all for your kindness and prayer.
Posted by: Inogame
=================
What great news! Congratulations! Beautiful name, too.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 12, 2021 11:45 AM (NBppC)

199 Speaking of incredible bullshit, the AP has the Rittenhouse story classified under "Racial Injustice".

https://bit.ly/3C4Btjm
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 12, 2021 11:45 AM (FVME7)
++++
They're a self parody at this point. A funhouse mirror.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 12, 2021 11:46 AM (DU+/6)

200 Didja see the LAPD's solution to crime?

LAPD Tells Residents To Comply With Anyone Robbing Their Home

https://bit.ly/3kwhqo4
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 12, 2021 11:23 AM (FVME7)

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This is nothing new. Back when I lived in California, my civics teacher told us that the law said we had a duty to leave our house if possible, and call the police. This was in the early 80s. To his credit, he didn't like that law and sneered at the wimps that passed it.

Posted by: Darth Randall at November 12, 2021 11:46 AM (YIXP3)

201 Should have taken a pic of the VIN numbers; those are unique and generally found through the windshield on the lower driver's side.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 12, 2021 11:41 AM (ynpvh)

On the same sort of subject - I saw a news special from Houston PD regarding dealer temp plates being forged and the black market around them. We have the same issue here in CA. Just when the fuck did they start these things anyway? Now, people roll around with these fake plates, commit crimes like mad and are untraceable. Police are afraid to pull them over for traffic stops - because you have no idea who is in the car. I see these things everywhere now. Almost always a bunch of Hispanics in a throw-away Honda or Nissan. And I'd bet 1:5 tops is legit.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at November 12, 2021 11:46 AM (wAnMi)

202 In the former United States most properties are constructed under the High Trust Social model with combustible materials, unprotected and fragile windows, open space parking and largely unfenced very low security property lines. A multi phase plan is requried. Get the hell out of populated areas and replaced the burned down suburban homes with concrete/tilt-wall inner-portico architecture.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at November 12, 2021 11:32 AM

Our entire society in America is based on a high trust model. We trust when we go to a restaurant that the food will be safe to eat. We trust when we go to a grocery store that the food will be safe. We trust when we go to the bank and deposit our money that the bank will keep it safe for us. We trust when we send our children to school that the teachers will take care of them.

And most relevant over the last 20 months, when we go to the doctor or dentist or listen to a medical industry person, we trust they are telling us the truth so we can make informed decisions about our health and life. This has all been destroyed over the past 20 months.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at November 12, 2021 11:46 AM (Do5/p)

203 Congratulations, Inogame!!

Posted by: Lizzy at November 12, 2021 11:46 AM (bDqIh)

204 Does CT have the $900 rule like Cali?

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at November 12, 2021 11:42 AM

Connecticut is a leftist $hithole so probably yes they do. We got stuck there during the crash when we retired from the Navy and were waiting for our son to graduate High School. We left after the market started going back up.

Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at November 12, 2021 11:46 AM (bVYXr)

205 >Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at November 12, 2021 11:42 AM (PHxng)

You have my sympathies. I'll never forgive them for how they've broken families, broken brains, and atomized society.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at November 12, 2021 11:47 AM (cSs/W)

206 Friend was charge with murder by a lady detective who did not understand the law, with the help of a good attorney the Grand Jury did a 'no bill' on my friend and it was over."

There's way too many LEO's who think it's their "duty" to see someone charged whenever there's a shooting, no matter the circumstances, and they figure well if the Court lets them off it's all good. Completely ignoring the thousands of dollars and year or two of life lost in fighting something like that.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 12, 2021 11:47 AM (trdmm)

207 Grocery store thieves will have clean clothes.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 12, 2021 11:47 AM (63Dwl)

208 As I recall, mystery authors used to have it as a regular tool for murderers disposing of a body. But then it came out, somewhere, that in fact quicklime actually helps to preserve a body, not decompose or dissolve it. Which is true?

They throw it on bodies in mass graves to slow decomposition, so the latter.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22030481/

Posted by: pep at November 12, 2021 11:47 AM (ZsR3z)

209 Shame about the windshield and any blood spatter on the interior.

Windex and then eBay.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at November 12, 2021 11:47 AM (+LCoQ)

210 Thieves steal time off of your life, and THAT is the crime.

That is a great observation. Agree 100%.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 12, 2021 11:48 AM (Xrfse)

211 Even in SF they got enough votes to try a recall on Boudin
Posted by: steevy at November 12, 2021 11:38 AM (CYnTg)

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 12, 2021 11:48 AM (EZebt)

212 As I recall, mystery authors used to have it as a regular tool for murderers disposing of a body. But then it came out, somewhere, that in fact quicklime actually helps to preserve a body, not decompose or dissolve it. Which is true?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 12, 2021 11:44 AM (txdEq)

The pros use Lye. I'm pretty sure quicklime will help, but there's a saturation point. I think the basic rule is use in moderation.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at November 12, 2021 11:48 AM (wAnMi)

213 Where are you watching the trial?

Posted by: Infidel at November 12, 2021 11:48 AM (aH0Li)

214 Doubtful. He probably made a deal with the prosecution to testify.

And how exactly is that not purchased testimony.

"Say what we want you to say and you don't go to prison for ten years".

Posted by: Reuben Hick at November 12, 2021 11:48 AM (+LCoQ)

215 I'd like to tell the horde that Wed at 5:36 PM CST, Fiona Rose [Inogame] was born, and she came home with Mom last night to meet the family. Thank you all for your kindness and prayer.
Posted by: Inogame

Congratulations!

Posted by: rickb223 at November 12, 2021 11:48 AM (OCTRt)

216 I am crushed but will not be blackmailed
Posted by: Gouverneur Morris

Is this their first kid?
Posted by: rickb223 at November 12, 2021 11:44 AM (OCTRt)

Yes, their first and our first grandchild

Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at November 12, 2021 11:48 AM (H3zk+)

217 I am USCCA and carry every day, that card with the 24/7 lawyer phone number on it is worth the $495 a year gold dues.
Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at November 12, 2021 11:44 AM (bVYXr)

Sadly USCCA will not cover folks in WA state.
So will have to rely on my neighbor's back hoe.
Oh well. When one door closes, another opens.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 12, 2021 11:49 AM (axyOa)

218 210 Thieves steal time off of your life, and THAT is the crime.

That is a great observation. Agree 100%.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 12, 2021 11:48 AM (Xrfse)

========

Now do the government's greater claim than you to the fruit of your labor through income taxes.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, the hero Gotham deserves at November 12, 2021 11:49 AM (LvTSG)

219 Those people stealing in Oxford Connecticut... I hope their houses burn down.

Posted by: redridinghood at November 12, 2021 11:49 AM (NpAcC)

220 On the same sort of subject - I saw a news special from Houston PD regarding dealer temp plates being forged and the black market around them. We

___

Where I grew up, there were no dealer plates. When you bought a car from a dealer, you got a hard physical plate. Dealers had them stacked and ready to go. And if you bought private, the plate when with the car.

Then when I moved for college, I was shocked when I started noticing cars without any plates at all or those flimsy paper things in the back window. And I was like huh? How stupid is this, I can make one of those at home.

Amazing nobody at the DMV or DOT in these states thought this was a possibility for decades, lol.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at November 12, 2021 11:49 AM (OalnH)

221 He looks completely different than when he was young.

-
Svengoolie had Penny and Will from Lost In Space on. Time is a harsh mistress.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 12, 2021 11:49 AM (FVME7)

222 173 Oregon Muse, they don't have the Castle Doctrine or Stand Your Ground where you live?

Posted by: That Guy What Always Says Yeah Buddy TM at November 12, 2021 11:43 AM (R5lpX)

Woohoo! Turns out the situation here is better than I thought:

https://romanolawpc.com/oregon-castle-doctrine/

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at November 12, 2021 11:50 AM (GLULz)

223 Saw vid-capped tweets that made me laugh. Woman goes, "Think of socialism like a fancy baked good. Just because many have made a mess of their kitchen attempting it, doesn't mean you go around declaring you'll never eat souffle again! It just means you try harder".

To which someone responded with a historical photo of soldiers standing in a burned out ruin with skull abounding, "Oh no I burned the souffle again!"

But I believe the point of communism and socialism IS to burn the souffle so everybody except the leaders gets to eat garbage.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 12, 2021 11:50 AM (ynpvh)

224 Claire Trevor - Lawrence Tierney - Born To Kill (1947) + Best of the Badmen (1947)

Posted by: Zube at November 12, 2021 11:50 AM (m+kht)

225 As I recall, mystery authors used to have it as a regular tool for murderers disposing of a body. But then it came out, somewhere, that in fact quicklime actually helps to preserve a body, not decompose or dissolve it. Which is true?

Does anyone know what it does to dna when it is processed thru a wild hog?

Posted by: rickb223 at November 12, 2021 11:50 AM (OCTRt)

226 221 He looks completely different than when he was young.

-
Svengoolie had Penny and Will from Lost In Space on. Time is a harsh mistress.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 12, 2021 11:49 AM (FVME7)

And a terrible teacher. In the end she kills all her students.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 12, 2021 11:51 AM (ynpvh)

227 That video of the kid running to Dad is undoing a lot leftists stupidity stress.

Posted by: Ripley at November 12, 2021 11:51 AM (MxEKc)

228 You think HomeSchooling is expensive and inconvenient?

Wait till people start pricing out what it costs to run 24/7 Neighborhood Watch Patrols, and they draw the short straw for 2 to 4 AM Guard Duty. That's what our future looks like guaranteed, if this shit isn't stopped. I've tried 'splainin' stuff like this to folks, but they just don't want to believe it can get that bad. "I can't believe this is happening" is an excellent way to get Dead. Normalcy Bias is one term. If I refuse to acknowledge something is happening, it will go away. Doesn't work that way.

Posted by: Common Tater at November 12, 2021 11:51 AM (aENAX)

229 Svengoolie had Penny and Will from Lost In Space on. Time is a harsh mistress.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 12, 2021 11:49 AM (FVME7)

Sometimes. Other times, perhaps not. Seen pics of Elizabeth Hurley or Christie Brinkley lately?

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at November 12, 2021 11:51 AM (GLULz)

230 Shot a man while robbing his castle.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at November 12, 2021

***
I've always hated how that song portrayed the murderous couple, and the detective ("He makes his living off of the people's taxes"). A good short story would be to tell the story that *should* have happened, i.e., Billy Mack finds the two and fills them full of lead.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 12, 2021 11:51 AM (txdEq)

231 As I recall, mystery authors used to have it as a regular tool for murderers disposing of a body. But then it came out, somewhere, that in fact quicklime actually helps to preserve a body, not decompose or dissolve it. Which is true?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 12, 2021 11:44 AM (txdEq)

The pros use Lye. I'm pretty sure quicklime will help, but there's a saturation point. I think the basic rule is use in moderation.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at November 12, 2021 11:48 AM

It also helps if there are a bunch of abandoned coal or other mines in your area. Toss the recently deceased in a pit and cover with a few bags of quick lime. In Texas the feral hogs will take care of it in jig time.

Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at November 12, 2021 11:51 AM (bVYXr)

232 I have an actual castle.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 12, 2021 11:51 AM (P4LRL)

233 Our entire society in America is based on a high trust model. We trust when we go to a restaurant that the food will be safe to eat. We trust when we go to a grocery store that the food will be safe. We trust when we go to the bank and deposit our money that the bank will keep it safe for us. We trust when we send our children to school that the teachers will take care of them."

Reminds me of something a returning serviceman who'd been in Afghanistan wrote. He said that what made patrolling Afghanistan so hard was that the way everyone's houses out in the country are built, it's like a country with 40,000 Alamos. Every house in every village was surrounded by 8' to 10' tall mud brick walls, 2' thick, with prepared firing positions all over.

That's what living in a society with no trust creates.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 12, 2021 11:52 AM (trdmm)

234 Posted by: Inogame at November 12, 2021 11:31 AM

Congratulations! This is most cromulent news.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 12, 2021 11:52 AM (m+jkK)

235 I am crushed but will not be blackmailed
Posted by: Gouverneur Morris

Is this their first kid?
Posted by: rickb223 at November 12, 2021 11:44 AM (OCTRt)

Yes, their first and our first grandchild
Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at November 12, 2021 11:48 AM (H3zk+)
***

They'lll come around.
Buy some nice gifts, wash the crap outta them, and pack them up with a note that say everything has been washed three times, sertilized by UV light and packed using masks and gloves. They'll get the message.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 12, 2021 11:52 AM (axyOa)

236 This cute blonde is still able to smile despite her post-Great-Reset living room:
https://is.gd/52jo33

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 12, 2021 11:52 AM (DU+/6)

237 Shame about the windshield and any blood spatter on the interior.
Windex and then eBay.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at November 12, 2021 11:47 AM (+LCoQ)

Back when I had a business and money, I used to get into work around 5am. Long story short, I was on Hwy 280, and wound up hitting a dead deer in my Porsche. At the last second I managed to center the car over it and didn't damage the car, but damn. There was blood all over it.

I took it to the local hand wash that afternoon. You should have seen Javier's slack-jawed face. I handed him a $20, and he just nodded.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at November 12, 2021 11:53 AM (wAnMi)

238 231 It also helps if there are a bunch of abandoned coal or other mines in your area. Toss the recently deceased in a pit and cover with a few bags of quick lime. In Texas the feral hogs will take care of it in jig time.
Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at November 12, 2021 11:51 AM (bVYXr

==========

Pig farms.

*touches nose*

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, the hero Gotham deserves at November 12, 2021 11:53 AM (LvTSG)

239 Only twice have I had to threaten someone with death and both times they were the boyfriends of my wife's oldest daughter. She can truly be a stupid shit when it comes to picking them. The most recent one doesn't come around anymore, which is great. Stupid Steelers Super Fan. Even had the faux superbowl ring and tats to prove it. That alone is cause for banishment.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 12, 2021 11:53 AM (BFigT)

240 35 You can use deadly force to protect your property in Florida. In fact, you can use deadly force to recover your property.

One reason so many are moving here from the areas they so totally screwed up. Mostly due to them being lazy, cowardly and generally scummy. They let the scum of the Earth take over their Cities and States.

We didn't. We actually got out and did this thing called 'Voting'. It's pretty cool. You should try it up North instead of sitting around waiting for a brick to hit you in the ass.
Posted by: Uncle Rick at November 12, 2021 11:24 AM (48/MM)

Same here in OK. We wanted the legislature to give us laws so we could kill any asshole that crashes uninvited into our homes or our vehicles (while we're in it) to steal shit.

Our legislators said, "Okay".

Posted by: My name is Jose Jimanez at November 12, 2021 11:53 AM (Fs5vw)

241
At bottom, there really is no law in this country except the law of power. Just proceed as you see fit and hope the baleful eye of the State doesn't fall on you, because everything is illegal unless you're one of them.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 12, 2021 11:53 AM (/KPLX)

242 199 Speaking of incredible bullshit, the AP has the Rittenhouse story classified under "Racial Injustice".

https://bit.ly/3C4Btjm
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 12, 2021 11:45 AM (FVME7)
++++
They're a self parody at this point. A funhouse mirror.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 12, 2021 11:46 AM (DU+/6)

Only race factor in this case was the race to separate the AR15 from Rittenhouse. And the only contestants lost.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at November 12, 2021 11:53 AM (N39Ws)

243 They're adding reckless endangerment, reckless shooting, all those kinds of lesser charges to each murder charge. Apparently a quirk in Wisconsin Law allows this.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 12, 2021 11:37 AM (trdmm)

Considering his situation, I would consider his actions remarkably non-reckless.

Posted by: Emmie at November 12, 2021 11:54 AM (6RgRK)

244 I took it to the local hand wash that afternoon. You should have seen Javier's slack-jawed face. I handed him a $20, and he just nodded.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at November 12, 2021 11:53 AM (wAnMi)

This made me lol..

Posted by: Inogame at November 12, 2021 11:54 AM (rPkiE)

245 Why worry about the laws of illegitimate government?
Shoot the looters and anyone who defends them.

Posted by: Methos at November 12, 2021 11:54 AM (kOpft)

246 Yes, their first and our first grandchild
Posted by: Gouverneur Morris

They'lll come around.
Buy some nice gifts, wash the crap outta them, and pack them up with a note that say everything has been washed three times, sertilized by UV light and packed using masks and gloves. They'll get the message.
Posted by: Diogenes

By the third child, they'll be telling him to rub dirt on the wound. Seen that so many times. Can't tell a first time parent anything.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 12, 2021 11:54 AM (OCTRt)

247 At least they're including pertussis which is actually risky to children. COVID not so much

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 12, 2021 11:54 AM (EZebt)

248 CCWSafe has $3-4k of clean-up included, depending on your plan.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 12, 2021 11:54 AM (P4LRL)

249 The pros use Lye. I'm pretty sure quicklime will help, but there's a saturation point. I think the basic rule is use in moderation.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at November 12, 2021 11:48 AM (wAnMi)

as Mystery writers and perps have known for ages, killing is pretty easy. Getting rid of a body without being caught doing it is damned hard.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 12, 2021 11:54 AM (trdmm)

250 I have an actual castle.
Posted by: hogmartin at November 12, 2021 11:51 AM (P4LRL)

Moats?
Trebuchets?

MOME at Hogs!!!

Posted by: Diogenes at November 12, 2021 11:54 AM (axyOa)

251 The lock on my door isn't there for me, it is there for you.
Because if you break in, I would have to shoot you, and honestly, I would hate to do that.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at November 12, 2021 11:55 AM (jTmQV)

252 John Wayne is a country-western singer with her own band, Runaway June.

Posted by: Jeb! at November 12, 2021 11:55 AM (32B8T)

253 Blueberry muffins are the best!

Posted by: redridinghood at November 12, 2021 11:55 AM (NpAcC)

254 The Geico one is magnificent considering who owns that company.

Posted by: CppThis at November 12, 2021 11:55 AM (UewuT)

255 25 Didja see the LAPD's solution to crime?

LAPD Tells Residents To Comply With Anyone Robbing Their Home

https://bit.ly/3kwhqo4

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 12, 2021 11:23 AM (FVME7)

and what? Be polite to your rapist and offer him tea and crumpets afterwards? I'm more with the rape victim that stabbed her attacker (who just got out of jail for, you guessed it, rape) in the inner thigh, piercing his femoral artery causing him to bleed out before police could arrive. Justice served!

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 12, 2021 11:55 AM (ynpvh)

256 Best way to make you home riot proof. Plant Manchineel trees in your yard. Of course, you'd need a tyvek suit to use your yard, but those rioters would sure regret it.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 12, 2021 11:55 AM (UuD2k)

257 184
I am USCCA and carry every day, that card with the 24/7 lawyer phone number on it is worth the $495 a year gold dues.

Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at November 12, 2021 11:44 AM (bVYXr)
-------------------------------

I considered going with the USCCA coverage, I think I get a discount of some kind since I'm a USCCA Instructor, but ended up keeping USLS. A lot of it depends on what state you're in, so it's worth doing the due diligence. There are a couple others out there with good reps as well. The only one that seemed universally bad was the NRA Carry Guard plan, which they actually discontinued because it was such an abject failure.

Posted by: Pennsyltucky at November 12, 2021 11:55 AM (lNHqD)

258 We have the same issue here in CA. Just when the fuck did they start these things anyway? Now, people roll around with these fake plates, commit crimes like mad and are untraceable.

This is the market response to the proliferation of ALPR enabled cameras littered all over the landscape. LEOs have always been stupid and lazy so when the promise of Artificial Intelligence and panopticon computer vision cameras all over the place, it would simply be a matter of waiting for a 911 call, if it was important enough, just use computer augmented tracking and capture the perp based on the pattern of life picked up from the cameras, phone data and credit card use.

Paper tags are one way to defeat an over-reliance on computer technology to foil crimes.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at November 12, 2021 11:55 AM (+LCoQ)

259 Said it before and I'll say it again. Camping shovel, plastic tarp, bag of lime. In your garage or in your car trunk. You never know when you're going to need to do some very early morning gardening.
Posted by: clutch cargo

My wife has disinterred and reburied dearly loved large animals.

She can be counted on in a pinch.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 12, 2021 11:55 AM (mD/uy)

260 35 You can use deadly force to protect your property in Florida. In fact, you can use deadly force to recover your property.

NH is similar. Right up through trespassing. Not on the back 40, but if someone is on your lawn and isn't leaving despite being told.......... #FAFO.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at November 12, 2021 11:56 AM (N39Ws)

261 Kyle only hit three of the four he was aiming at. As opposed to the NYPD.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 12, 2021 11:56 AM (aqyad)

262 "It could very well be for political ends."

Is this where we say, "I shan't believe it, I shan't!" ?

And that baby running to get dad is tear-inducing.

Well, out to keep prepping the place for the LaNina winter. Need to dig/renew some swales to handle the extra precipitation. TTFN

Posted by: Flyover at November 12, 2021 11:56 AM (Rbu5d)

263 They'lll come around.
Buy some nice gifts, wash the crap outta them, and pack them up with a note that say everything has been washed three times, sertilized by UV light and packed using masks and gloves. They'll get the message.
Posted by: Diogenes at November 12, 2021

Don't forget to put in a copy of your will with his name struck out.

Posted by: Beartooth at November 12, 2021 11:56 AM (e/VZF)

264 Shoot

Shovel

Shut Up.

Posted by: Hawkpilot at November 12, 2021 11:56 AM (8quNM)

265 >>>Speaking of incredible bullshit, the AP has the Rittenhouse story classified under "Racial Injustice".

Since when has the AP given a crap about white people?

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 12, 2021 11:56 AM (VWp7G)

266 I am USCCA and carry every day, that card with the 24/7 lawyer phone number on it is worth the $495 a year gold dues.

Law Shield is pretty much the same. I know exactly where it is in my wallet if I need it. Probably the the most valuable benefit I have received (and memorized) so far is how to conduct myself (what to do and say, what not to do and say) should I ever be involved in a self-defense scenario.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 12, 2021 11:56 AM (Xrfse)

267 as Mystery writers and perps have known for ages, killing is pretty easy. Getting rid of a body without being caught doing it is damned hard.
Posted by: Tom Servo

If you have the room, a pig sty is nice this time of year.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 12, 2021 11:56 AM (mD/uy)

268 Saw vid-capped tweets that made me laugh. Woman goes, "Think of socialism like a fancy baked good. Just because many have made a mess of their kitchen attempting it, doesn't mean you go around declaring you'll never eat souffle again! It just means you try harder".

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 12, 2021 11:50 AM

This must be why after literally half a century of getting their predictions about "climate change" 100% wrong, the American left is still not giving up on their failed theory.

"'Climate change' wrong? Pshaw! We're definitely killing the planet, we just haven't gotten the predictions correct yet. That doesn't mean we should give up, it means we should try harder with more predictions!"

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at November 12, 2021 11:56 AM (Do5/p)

269 They're a self parody at this point. A funhouse mirror.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 12, 2021 11:46 AM (DU+/6)

No, they're not. If they were, would the comment fields here be filled with examples and stories of imbeciles believing that Rittenhouse was a MAGAT murdering blacks or that Ahmaud Arbery was an innocent jogger lynched by some KKK Trumpkins?

The MFM has a lot more power than people are willing to admit. Oh, they might have lost influence with those of us who know they are the enemy of the people, but the vast majority of this country still watch the nice, articulate black man or the perfectly-coiffed lady on teevee and believe everything they vomit out.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 12, 2021 11:57 AM (2JVJo)

270 200 This is nothing new. Back when I lived in California, my civics teacher told us that the law said we had a duty to leave our house if possible, and call the police. This was in the early 80s.

saw an episode of dragnet from 1968 in which joe friday sneered "if you have time to reach for a gun, you have time to call the police".

Posted by: Kulak Anachronda, behind the Newsom curtain at November 12, 2021 11:57 AM (edU/H)

271 The most recent one doesn't come around anymore, which is great. Stupid Steelers Super Fan. Even had the faux superbowl ring and tats to prove it. That alone is cause for banishment.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 12, 2021 11:53 AM (BFigT)

I'm visualizing a scene where your daughter invites him to your house for dinner and you say "Oh hell I'ma gonna shoot your ass if you don't take that stupid ring off!"

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 12, 2021 11:57 AM (trdmm)

272 >piercing his femoral artery causing him to bleed out before police could arrive. Justice served!

That's beautiful man. (wipes tear from eyes)

Posted by: Heavy Meta at November 12, 2021 11:57 AM (gryET)

273 The best item(s) for home defense are sound suppressors and subsonic rounds. Less noise, less attention.

Posted by: Capital Eff believes #RonnaMustGo #McCarthyMustGo #McConnellMustGo at November 12, 2021 11:57 AM (2xGy+)

274 as Mystery writers and perps have known for ages, killing is pretty easy. Getting rid of a body without being caught doing it is damned hard.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 12, 2021 11:54 AM (trdmm)

It's amazing that somebody can disappear in a park without ever being found, but somebody dumps a body in the same area, and a hiker/jogger/dog walker comes upon the body less than a week later. Just happened to be way off the trail and never been there before.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at November 12, 2021 11:57 AM (wAnMi)

275 Woohoo! Turns out the situation here is better than I thought:

https://romanolawpc.com/oregon-castle-doctrine/
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at November 12, 2021 11:50 AM (GLULz)

So now we can talk rifles and shotguns.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, load and make ready at November 12, 2021 11:57 AM (V6f9+)

276 Yes, their first and our first grandchild
Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at November 12, 2021 11:48 AM (H3zk+)
***

Buy some nice gifts, wash the crap outta them, and pack them up with a note that say everything has been washed three times, sertilized by UV light and packed using masks and gloves. They'll get the message.
Posted by: Diogenes at November 12, 2021 11:52 AM (axyOa)

That is great advice, made me laugh thank you!

Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at November 12, 2021 11:57 AM (H3zk+)

277 Getting rid of a body without being caught doing it is damned hard.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 12, 2021 11:54 AM (trdmm)

Industrial macerator. Then flush them down the drain.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 12, 2021 11:58 AM (UuD2k)

278 264 Shoot

Shovel

Shut Up.

Posted by: Hawkpilot at November 12, 2021 11:56 AM (8quNM)

"Your garden is so lush this year. What's your secret?"

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 12, 2021 11:58 AM (ynpvh)

279 They'lll come around.
Buy some nice gifts, wash the crap outta them, and pack them up with a note that say everything has been washed three times, sertilized by UV light and packed using masks and gloves. They'll get the message.
Posted by: Diogenes

Ps. Only buy gifts that CAN'T be washed. Then wash them. Three times.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 12, 2021 11:58 AM (OCTRt)

280 Also, Flee to the free States. Anybody comes in Schloss Von Hawkpilot without permission gets shot in the face.

Posted by: Hawkpilot at November 12, 2021 11:58 AM (SK+VG)

281 I considered going with the USCCA coverage, I think I get a discount of some kind since I'm a USCCA Instructor, but ended up keeping USLS. A lot of it depends on what state you're in, so it's worth doing the due diligence. There are a couple others out there with good reps as well. The only one that seemed universally bad was the NRA Carry Guard plan, which they actually discontinued because it was such an abject failure.

Posted by: Pennsyltucky at November 12, 2021 11:55 AM

I had the NRA carry guard for a year and dropped it. Way too many limitations and when you boiled it down all you got was some upfront cash for a defense lawyer and a phone number to call if you needed it. I switched to USCCA after that.

Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at November 12, 2021 11:59 AM (bVYXr)

282 230 I've always hated how that song portrayed the murderous couple, and the detective ("He makes his living off of the people's taxes"). A good short story would be to tell the story that *should* have happened, i.e., the dead guy's relatives beat Billy Mack to the chase and deliver True Southern Justice.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 12, 2021 11:51 AM (txdEq)

Fixed

Posted by: CppThis at November 12, 2021 11:59 AM (UewuT)

283 I'm more with the rape victim that stabbed her attacker (who just got out of jail for, you guessed it, rape) in the inner thigh, piercing his femoral artery causing him to bleed out before police could arrive. Justice served!
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 12, 2021 11:55 AM

Awesome!

Posted by: Constable Bob Sweeney at November 12, 2021 11:59 AM (EughT)

284 It all depends on where you live. Laws vary from state to state. In wisconsin you can not use deadly force to protect property. In Oklahoma you can if they are within your house. In texas simply being on your property and being told to leave opens up legitimate weld defense claims. A lot depends on whether the state is a "castle doctrine" state. Familiarize yourself with your local laws!

Posted by: BruceWayne at November 12, 2021 11:59 AM (VFSL0)

285 267 as Mystery writers and perps have known for ages, killing is pretty easy. Getting rid of a body without being caught doing it is damned hard.
Posted by: Tom Servo

Sawzall and leaf bags.

Posted by: Capital Eff believes #RonnaMustGo #McCarthyMustGo #McConnellMustGo at November 12, 2021 12:00 PM (2xGy+)

286 as Mystery writers and perps have known for ages, killing is pretty easy. Getting rid of a body without being caught doing it is damned hard.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 12, 2021 11:54 AM (trdmm)

Because a great many murders are on impulse, and suddenly you have a corpse you never planned for. Do your homework, keep your plans to yourself and employ a little OPSEC and you can make someone disappear forever.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 12, 2021 12:00 PM (2JVJo)

287 Wonderful news, Inogame!

Posted by: redridinghood at November 12, 2021 12:00 PM (NpAcC)

288 224 Claire Trevor - Lawrence Tierney - Born To Kill (1947) + Best of the Badmen (1947)

Posted by: Zube at November 12, 2021 11:50 AM (m+kht)

There you go!

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at November 12, 2021 12:00 PM (GLULz)

289
Just watch, Garland's DOJ will throw a boatload of "violation of the heroes' civil rights" charges at Kyle if he escapes conviction on the criminal charges.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 12, 2021 12:00 PM (3l5Yq)

290 Did bicep-less man do any jail/prison time for assault or attempted murder? I don't recall.

Nope. "Free As F*ck" so to speak.

Posted by: Oddbob at November 12, 2021 12:00 PM (nfrXX)

291 John Wayne is a country-western singer with her own band, Runaway June.
Posted by: Jeb!

"Fill yore hand you sonofa bitch !"

Posted by: JT at November 12, 2021 12:01 PM (arJlL)

292 Do your homework, keep your plans to yourself and employ a little OPSEC and you can make someone disappear forever.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 12, 2021 12:00 PM (2JVJo)

____

Yep!

Posted by: Walter White at November 12, 2021 12:01 PM (OalnH)

293 Cover the unmarked grave with plants on the endangered species list. That way they can't dig it up.

*follow me for more gardening tips*

Posted by: Hawkpilot at November 12, 2021 12:01 PM (8quNM)

294 The MFM has a lot more power than people are willing to admit. Oh, they might have lost influence with those of us who know they are the enemy of the people, but the vast majority of this country still watch the nice, articulate black man or the perfectly-coiffed lady on teevee and believe everything they vomit out.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 12, 2021 11:57 AM (2JVJo)
++++
The two aren't mutually exclusive. They can be a funhouse mirror self parody while also being taken seriously by a lot of people.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 12, 2021 12:01 PM (DU+/6)

295 I've always hated how that song portrayed the murderous couple, and the detective ("He makes his living off of the people's taxes").
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 12, 2021 11:51 AM (txdEq)

I hate how they rhymed "taxes" with "facts is"

Posted by: Chuck C at November 12, 2021 12:01 PM (EughT)

296 If a looter is in your house taking food that you need for your self or your family, would that be a threat to your petson?

Posted by: MammaB at November 12, 2021 12:02 PM (T46n5)

297 Getting rid of a body without being caught doing it is damned hard.
Posted by: Tom Servo

Access to an Italian deli.

Posted by: Christopher Moltisanti at November 12, 2021 12:02 PM (4I/2K)

298 I have an actual castle.
Posted by: hogmartin

Where did you put the litter box?

Posted by: Oscar the Cat at November 12, 2021 12:02 PM (vcOmj)

299 Because a great many murders are on impulse, and suddenly you have a corpse you never planned for. Do your homework, keep your plans to yourself and employ a little OPSEC and you can make someone disappear forever.

I'm not a violent person and go out of my way to avoid conflict. This policy has served me well, no jail, hospital or lawsuits.

I leave all of these helpful hints for the more adventurous DIY Justice enthusiasts.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at November 12, 2021 12:02 PM (+LCoQ)

300 Woohoo! Turns out the situation here is better than I thought:
https://romanolawpc.com/oregon-castle-doctrine/
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at November 12, 2021 11:50 AM (GLULz)
So now we can talk rifles and shotguns.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, load and make ready at November 12, 2021 11:57 AM (V6f9+)

Hard to believe, but Oregon used to be about as conservative as it got. I haven't been there in ages since my Uncle passed - but there were gas stations in Medford that sold ammo right next to the cigarettes. Some even had guns. It was easier to buy ammo than a bottle of hooch. But I bailed on U of O Eugene because it was so left wing in 1979. That was my first red pill moment.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at November 12, 2021 12:02 PM (wAnMi)

301 At bottom, there really is no law in this country except the law of power. Just proceed as you see fit and hope the baleful eye of the State doesn't fall on you, because everything is illegal unless you're one of them.

For the most part, that is accurate. Sad to say.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 12, 2021 12:02 PM (Xrfse)

302
Unrelated: back during the silver rush in CO, a lot of mines got started and then abandoned. A whole lot. And many of them have been forgotten. Don't even appear on USGS surveys or anything.*

*The More You Know

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 12, 2021 12:02 PM (/KPLX)

303 285 267 as Mystery writers and perps have known for ages, killing is pretty easy. Getting rid of a body without being caught doing it is damned hard.
Posted by: Tom Servo

Sawzall and leaf bags.

Posted by: Capital Eff believes #RonnaMustGo #McCarthyMustGo #McConnellMustGo at November 12, 2021 12:00 PM (2xGy+)

Use gloves and plastic, dump the pieces out in the deep ocean where the current will carry it way, or so I'm told.

Posted by: Dexter at November 12, 2021 12:02 PM (ynpvh)

304 Getting rid of a body without being caught doing it is damned hard.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 12, 2021
*
Industrial macerator. Then flush them down the drain.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 12, 2021

***
There's a 1950s short story by a S. African author, "Being a Murderer Myself," which details the farm-owning narrator's disposal of his ex-girlfriend's body by chopping it up, pounding it into paste, including the bones, and feeding it (blood meal, bone meal) to his chickens and other farm animals. The hair he burned and used as charcoal. By the time the investigators came looking, there was not a trace of her to be found. This was pre-DNA, of course, but the story is fun to read for the sheer thoroughness of its narrator.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 12, 2021 12:03 PM (txdEq)

305 >>>Industrial macerator. Then flush them down the drain.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe

Don't use a woodchipper. The guy from Connecticut was seen by someone driving by the river.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 12, 2021 12:03 PM (VWp7G)

306 That's what living in a society with no trust creates.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 12, 2021 11:52 AM

You know, we're living in a society! We're supposed to act in a civilized way. ... Does she care? No. Does anyone ever display the slightest sensitivity over the problems of a fellow individual? No. No. A resounding no!

Posted by: George Costanza at November 12, 2021 12:03 PM (Do5/p)

307 as Mystery writers and perps have known for ages, killing is pretty easy. Getting rid of a body without being caught doing it is damned hard.
Posted by: Tom Servo

Sawzall and leaf bags.
Posted by: Capital Eff believes #RonnaMustGo #McCarthyMustGo #McConnellMustGo

Wood chipper and mulch for your garden.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 12, 2021 12:03 PM (FVME7)

308 >>> I have an actual castle.
Posted by: hogmartin at November 12, 2021 11:51 AM (P4LRL)

I have a mansion, 3 stories with a slide down to a swimming pool. It comes furnished with a cadre of beautiful girls, a sports car, and a private jet.

It's currently sitting in my living room and I'm trying to sell it. My girl left the barbie doll dreamhouse mansion stage a year or two ago so we've been changing things so it's not a "baby room for babies" anymore. At least she still has a stuffed animal pyramid. I wish I could slow things down until the world wasn't so shithouserat crazy but nothin I can do about growin up.

Posted by: banana Dream at November 12, 2021 12:03 PM (l4HL2)

309 In texas simply being on your property and being told to leave opens up legitimate weld defense claims. A lot depends on whether the state is a "castle doctrine" state. Familiarize yourself with your local laws!
Posted by: BruceWayne

1st thing I did when I moved to the country, bought no trespassing signs and purple paint and painted the property corner posts. Not losing my land to some fucking yahoo trespasser.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 12, 2021 12:04 PM (OCTRt)

310 289
Just watch, Garland's DOJ will throw a boatload of "violation of the heroes' civil rights" charges at Kyle if he escapes conviction on the criminal charges.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 12, 2021 12:00 PM (3l5Yq)

Didn't know there was a special "Heroe's Civil Rights" section to the law.

Posted by: Dexter at November 12, 2021 12:04 PM (ynpvh)

311 It looks now if you are in a blue district / state, you can't effect home defense outside of your home. It looks as if you have to wait until they are in your home. This seems to mean ri-o-terrorists can burn you out. An industrial grade fire extinguisher might be the only item you can use on them and the crowd will turn on you.

Once they break inside your home, though, you have every right to blast the fuck out of them because they present a reasonable threat to your life.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 12, 2021 12:04 PM (1t5dY)

312 >>> disposal of his ex-girlfriend's body by chopping it up, pounding it into paste, including the bones, and feeding it (blood meal, bone meal) to his chickens and other farm animals

"Feed 'em to the pigs, Errol."

Posted by: Brick Top at November 12, 2021 12:04 PM (VWp7G)

313 >>the prosecution made the point that deadly force is allowed when you're defending your life, but not when you're protecting your property.

They always make it out to be greedy to not want your stuff stolen, the formulation that property is not as valuable as a life. Except for the summer of BLM and antifa rioting, it wasn't a choice between Floyd's life and whatever property in whatever city. No one's life was in jeopardy that required stores to be looted, properties to be set on fire, bystanders to be beaten in order to save a life.

Worse, this is typically Lefty argumentation that purposely generalized the topic in order to smear the opposition as uncaring. It wasn't and still isn't about someone swiping another's tv, boohoo just go buy another. Numerous businesses were burned to the ground, not just destroying "property" as in the physical building, it killed their businesses that many had invested all of their money and years of their lives into building. And not everything destroyed or looted could be easily replaced. Where do you go to replace, say, an archive of records? It's a theft of history, a theft of livelihoods, a theft of the victims' future.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 12, 2021 12:04 PM (bDqIh)

314 "Your garden is so lush this year. What's your secret?"

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 12, 2021 11:58 AM (ynpvh)

Watched some crime show last week...Canadian gay serial killer...a landscaper. One of his customers had 4 bodies in her backyard...in large planters.

Posted by: BignJames at November 12, 2021 12:04 PM (AwYPR)

315 Unrelated: back during the silver rush in CO, a lot of mines got started and then abandoned. A whole lot. And many of them have been forgotten. Don't even appear on USGS surveys or anything.*

*The More You Know
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 12, 2021

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In a novel of mine, I made up an abandoned mine -- situated it near where Leadville is today. For all I know there is a real one there near the highway that leads south from the real Leadville.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 12, 2021 12:04 PM (txdEq)

316 Like it or not the MSM drives the narrative. Yeah CNN gets no ratings. But what they talk about is what the NYT talks about which is what WaPo talks about which ends up being what is in everyone's feed on Facebook and Twitter. Rinse and repeat every day.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at November 12, 2021 12:04 PM (OalnH)

317 Off fictional serial killer of serial killers.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 12, 2021 12:04 PM (ynpvh)

318 Because a great many murders are on impulse, and suddenly you have a corpse you never planned for. Do your homework, keep your plans to yourself and employ a little OPSEC and you can make someone disappear forever.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 12, 2021 12:00 PM (2JVJo)

A lot of holes in the desert, and a lot of problems are buried in those holes. But you gotta do it right. I mean, you gotta have the hole already dug before you show up with a package in the trunk. Otherwise, you're talking about a half-hour to forty-five minutes worth of digging. And who knows who's gonna come along in that time? Pretty soon, you gotta dig a few more holes. You could be there all f***in' night.

Posted by: Nicky Santoro at November 12, 2021 12:05 PM (EughT)

319 265 >>>Speaking of incredible bullshit, the AP has the Rittenhouse story classified under "Racial Injustice".

Since when has the AP given a crap about white people?
Posted by: Wyatt Earp

He shot a couple of communists. When did communist become a race?

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at November 12, 2021 12:05 PM (ifUkZ)

320 Use gloves and plastic, dump the pieces out in the deep ocean where the current will carry it way, or so I'm told.
Posted by: Dexter

Shark chum

Posted by: rickb223 at November 12, 2021 12:05 PM (OCTRt)

321 Industrial macerator. Then flush them down the drain.

Not exactly a low profile commodity purchase item on Amazon.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at November 12, 2021 12:05 PM (+LCoQ)

322 I hate how they rhymed "taxes" with "facts is"
Posted by: Chuck C at November 12, 2021 12:01 PM (EughT)

I wanted to slap Steve Miller the very first time I heard that. You were THAT desperate for a rhyme, you couldn't think of anything else that wasn't that stupid?

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 12, 2021 12:06 PM (trdmm)

323 Mystery writers and perps have known for ages, killing is pretty easy. Getting rid of a body without being caught doing it is damned hard.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 12, 2021 11:54 AM (trdmm)

Because a great many murders are on impulse, and suddenly you have a corpse you never planned for. Do your homework, keep your plans to yourself and employ a little OPSEC and you can make someone disappear forever.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 12, 2021 12:00 PM

When my wife's Akita died on the table getting fixed we brought her home to bury her. They had put her in the freezer and she was frozen solid. I had to drag her across the yard on a sheet, covered her up and started digging a hole. It got dark so I went and got the coleman lantern and kept digging. People kept driving by and slowing down staring at me. when I got the hole about 5 foot deep I got out stood there and finally figured out why people were stopping and staring. Surprised no one called the cops.

Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at November 12, 2021 12:06 PM (bVYXr)

324
I hate how they rhymed "taxes" with "facts is"
Posted by: Chuck C

'S right - "epitaxis" (or "epistaxis") was a perfectly cromulent substitute which would have cast the story in a whole new light.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 12, 2021 12:06 PM (3l5Yq)

325 >>>He shot a couple of communists. When did communist become a race?
Posted by: Puddleglum at work

Since the paste eater was elected*.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 12, 2021 12:06 PM (VWp7G)

326 Those "people" stealing groceries, wonder what would have happened if someone ice picked the sidewalls of their tires?

Bet they would have called the police or started violence. Another one way street.

Pro tip, grease the ice pick before ramming it into a sidewall of a tire.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at November 12, 2021 12:06 PM (iDcra)

327 *taking notes* Good tips, keep 'em coming.

Posted by: Detective Chief Inspector Tom Barnaby, Midsomer at November 12, 2021 12:06 PM (4I/2K)

328 Industrial macerator. ...
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 12, 2021 11:58 AM (UuD2k)
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This is about me, isn't it?

Posted by: Michael Moore at November 12, 2021 12:06 PM (DU+/6)

329
Jack Johnson was the little Stevie Miller of my generation. Not meant as a compliment.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 12, 2021 12:06 PM (/KPLX)

330 A lot of holes in the desert, and a lot of problems are buried in those holes. But you gotta do it right. I mean, you gotta have the hole already dug before you show up with a package in the trunk. Otherwise, you're talking about a half-hour to forty-five minutes worth of digging. And who knows who's gonna come along in that time? Pretty soon, you gotta dig a few more holes. You could be there all f***in' night.
Posted by: Nicky Santoro

Take them to the Train Station. Those tracks only run one way.
John Dutton - Yellowstone

Posted by: rickb223 at November 12, 2021 12:07 PM (OCTRt)

331 >>Getting rid of a body without being caught doing it is damned hard.

The oceans are very big, very deep and full of crabs and other bottom feeders. Couple miles offshore and the body will never be found.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 12, 2021 12:07 PM (ZLI7S)

332 Anyone who claims theft and property damage is, "just stuff" does not value life.

Why?

We are on this earth a finite amount of time. During this life, we spend our time working, that is, drawing from an irreplaceable bank account, in order to put food on the table, clothes on our back and a roof over our head.

Stealing from someone is taking not just their stuff, it is also taking that which cannot be replaced, life.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at November 12, 2021 12:07 PM (ZwxDF)

333 309 In texas simply being on your property and being told to leave opens up legitimate weld defense claims. A lot depends on whether the state is a "castle doctrine" state. Familiarize yourself with your local laws!
Posted by: BruceWayne

1st thing I did when I moved to the country, bought no trespassing signs and purple paint and painted the property corner posts. Not losing my land to some fucking yahoo trespasser.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 12, 2021 12:04 PM (OCTRt)

California is more French when it comes to self defense; you MUST retreat. F Kali and Joe.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 12, 2021 12:07 PM (ynpvh)

334 The market should have some shocking pink spray paint available to tag looters and their cars.

Posted by: Albert Schwartz at November 12, 2021 12:07 PM (zHbOW)

335 What would we do without experts?

Dr. Jack Brown
@DrGJackBrown
Rittenhouse displays a sexual hand gesture of masturbation when describing loading his AR-15. This is a profound nonverbal tell/body language Freudian Slip indicative of Sexual Sadism.

#BodyLanguageExpert #BodyLanguage #RittenhouseTrial #FreudianSlip

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 12, 2021 12:07 PM (FVME7)

336 The government intends to take away your right to self defense, just as they intend to take away all your rights.

So...there is no answer to this problem. At least no answer that works within the current legal system.

It is rather like a colonist in 1775 asking what he can do to protect himself from the King's army and the King's tax collectors.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 12, 2021 12:08 PM (ESjRY)

337 LOL LOL LOL LOL

ABC News headline:

Vermont has the highest vaccination rate in the country. So why are cases surging?

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at November 12, 2021 12:08 PM (OalnH)

338 >Now that you mention it there is some rumor of a bum encampment in the area near that store here in suburban PennsylTuckey. Some sort of bag lady got seriously run over recently crossing a four lane highway at night.
Posted by: Traitor Joe's Military Surplus, Vaccine and Massage Parlor at November 12, 2021 11:43 AM (dQvv7)

Near I-5 in the central part of Salem, they let the bum camps get so bad near an offramp that multiple bums got run over by cars. I guess that was the impetus that finally got them to clean it out, but they let it fester for months.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at November 12, 2021 12:08 PM (cSs/W)

339 Not a lawyer, but if they are in the act of entering your home illegally, and you live where your state has a castle doctrine of one type or another, you can shoot them while they are in the act. If you have a shot gun, I would recommend having far more than the normal 5 to 6 rounds type, I bought one that uses magazines and can even use a drum of 50 if need be. If you are worried about a mob, you are going to need to be able to kill an entire mob and a 10 or less round loaded shot gun is not going to get that done, as the time to reload is going to get you into trouble.

Posted by: astonerii at November 12, 2021 12:08 PM (VcZlJ)

340 @DrGJackBrown
Rittenhouse displays a sexual hand gesture of masturbation when describing loading his AR-15. This is a profound nonverbal tell/body language Freudian Slip indicative of Sexual Sadism.

#BodyLanguageExpert #BodyLanguage #RittenhouseTrial #FreudianSlip
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 12, 2021 12:07 PM (FVME7)
++++
Listen to this guy. He knows what's talking about and has a long list of credentials to prove it.

Posted by: Tom Nichols at November 12, 2021 12:08 PM (DU+/6)

341 Kill the looters.
Say they were threatening your life.
Dead men cannot disagree.

Posted by: The Man from Athens at November 12, 2021 12:08 PM (wrO39)

342 The oceans are very big, very deep and full of crabs and other bottom feeders. Couple miles offshore and the body will never be found.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 12, 2021 12:07 PM (ZLI7S)
~~~~~

Hmmm. You've put a little too much thought into this.

Posted by: IrishEi at November 12, 2021 12:09 PM (7b2L9)

343 Don't use a woodchipper. The guy from Connecticut was seen by someone driving by the river.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 12, 2021 12:03 PM

If it's the same case off of Forensic Files, he used a chainsaw before the wood chipper, scratched out the serial numbers and threw the chain saw in the same river. The chainsaw was found, they recovered the serial number. And the guy had previously sent in the warranty card.

Posted by: Chuck C at November 12, 2021 12:09 PM (EughT)

344 Those "people" stealing groceries, wonder what would have happened if someone ice picked the sidewalls of their tires?

Bet they would have called the police or started violence. Another one way street.

Pro tip, grease the ice pick before ramming it into a sidewall of a tire.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at November 12, 2021 12:06 PM (iDcra)
***

Had the same thought.
I liked how the guy shoved the shopping cart in front of the one car.
Good advice too. If no grease is immediately available, run it through some long hair.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 12, 2021 12:09 PM (axyOa)

345 Getting rid of a body without being caught doing it is damned hard.

The oceans are very big, very deep and full of crabs and other bottom feeders. Couple miles offshore and the body will never be found.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 12, 2021 12:07 PM (ZLI7S)

Big Pussy went Witness Protection. Paulie almost joined him awhile later.

Posted by: Tony Soprano at November 12, 2021 12:09 PM (4I/2K)

346 Wow, YOU people know a lot about body disposal.

Glad you are my friends!

Posted by: blaster at November 12, 2021 12:09 PM (mbFEM)

347 313 >>...They always make it out to be greedy to not want your stuff stolen, the formulation that property is not as valuable as a life...
Posted by: Liz

Unless you bother a lefty politician's home, then it's the death penalty for you, bub.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 12, 2021 12:09 PM (ynpvh)

348 318 A lot of holes in the desert, and a lot of problems are buried in those holes. But you gotta do it right. I mean, you gotta have the hole already dug before you show up with a package in the trunk. Otherwise, you're talking about a half-hour to forty-five minutes worth of digging. And who knows who's gonna come along in that time? Pretty soon, you gotta dig a few more holes. You could be there all f***in' night.
Posted by: Nicky Santoro at November 12, 2021 12:05 PM (EughT)

========

Corn fields should be good, though.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, the hero Gotham deserves at November 12, 2021 12:09 PM (LvTSG)

349 A while back there was a twitter thread where someone in CHAZ had their new iPhone stolen. The victim whined that he was a good person, not a racist, and supported BLM, but he needed his phone.

The response from the other CHAZites was basically "shut up you privileged asshole, someone else needed that phone more then you did"

Posted by: 18-1 at November 12, 2021 12:09 PM (ESjRY)

350 I hate how they rhymed "taxes" with "facts is"
Posted by: Chuck C at November 12, 2021
*
I wanted to slap Steve Miller the very first time I heard that. You were THAT desperate for a rhyme, you couldn't think of anything else that wasn't that stupid?
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 12, 2021 1

***
On top of that, the song has no ending, no resolution. The girl slips away and the boy joins her the very next day, and they're supposedly still running today. A reader or listener wants some closure, dammit! Billy Mack plugging one or both of them when they're shooting at him, now there's some resolution!

(I will give it that Billy Mack the cop himself might have been one to say, "I know what the facts is" instead of "are.")

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 12, 2021 12:09 PM (txdEq)

351 Corn fields should be good, though.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, the hero Gotham deserves at November 12, 2021

***
He Who Decomposes Behind the Rows

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 12, 2021 12:10 PM (txdEq)

352 346 Wow, YOU people know a lot about body disposal.

Glad you are my friends!
Posted by: blaster at November 12, 2021 12:09 PM (mbFEM)

LOL, I was thinking it was damned interesting that so many of us here appear to have put a lot of thought into the problem.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 12, 2021 12:10 PM (trdmm)

353 >>Hmmm. You've put a little too much thought into this.

Proper Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 12, 2021 12:10 PM (ZLI7S)

354 "Legal question: How can I protect my home from serious, determined looters?"

Here is an important point: Antifa/BLM and their goons have not - YET - crossed the rubicon of attacking occupied homes in the face of active resistance. Every time they've attempted it they've been driven off, sometimes with gunfire. Usually they wave-off without shots fired from the homeowners.

This is in contrast to the 92 LA riots (where they'd attack individual homeowners and individuals caught in the area) and the 68 riots in various places (where there was actually crew-served weapons engagement of rioters and all sorts of fuckery)

If they actually go after the suburban or rural area with arms and fight rather than run - all bets are off. The use of force laws and how they may change with an organized, unlawful armed political force aren't really relevant - who will enforce those laws? The State/local governments that have allowed the rioting in the first place? The Feds and Fed agencies overrun with marxists?

Fuck the law. Defend your neighborhood and neighbors and families - against looters, and against anyone enabling them. At that point it is war.

Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at November 12, 2021 12:10 PM (wsx8x)

355 The oceans are very big, very deep and full of crabs and other bottom feeders. Couple miles offshore and the body will never be found.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 12, 2021 12:07 PM (ZLI7S)

Be careful how you get out there. I know of one fellow who was nabbed because of his boat's GPS.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 12, 2021 12:10 PM (2JVJo)

356 Because a great many murders are on impulse, and suddenly you have a corpse you never planned for. Do your homework, keep your plans to yourself and employ a little OPSEC and you can make someone disappear forever.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 12, 2021 12:00 PM

Norm on serial killing

https://youtu.be/NqeNR1xZ8rc

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 12, 2021 12:11 PM (rdbLX)

357 337 LOL LOL LOL LOL

ABC News headline:

Vermont has the highest vaccination rate in the country. So why are cases surging?
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at November 12, 2021 12:08 PM (OalnH)

=========

The thing the left was pushing when news came of FL's incredibly low case count was that the forest fire had run through and burned everything already. Can we apply this same analogy to VT?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, the hero Gotham deserves at November 12, 2021 12:11 PM (LvTSG)

358 Wow, YOU people know a lot about body disposal.

Glad you are my friends!
Posted by: blaster at November 12, 2021 12:09 PM (mbFEM)

LOL, I was thinking it was damned interesting that so many of us here appear to have put a lot of thought into the problem.
Posted by: Tom Servo

Many are writers. Many are readers.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 12, 2021 12:11 PM (OCTRt)

359 319 265 >>>Speaking of incredible bullshit, the AP has the Rittenhouse story classified under "Racial Injustice".

Since when has the AP given a crap about white people?
Posted by: Wyatt Earp

He shot a couple of communists. When did communist become a race?
Posted by: Puddleglum at work at November 12, 2021 12:05 PM (ifUkZ)

Given he only shot white people, he must be anti-White. Doesn't that fit with their ideology? I'm confused...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 12, 2021 12:11 PM (ynpvh)

360 LOL LOL LOL LOL

ABC News headline:

Vermont has the highest vaccination rate in the country. So why are cases surging?
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at November 12, 2021 12:08 PM (OalnH)

Bad luck, I guess.

Posted by: Rochelle Walensky, CDC Director at November 12, 2021 12:11 PM (4I/2K)

361 LOL, I was thinking it was damned interesting that so many of us here appear to have put a lot of thought into the problem.

I'm always working on plots for my murder mystery novels.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at November 12, 2021 12:11 PM (+LCoQ)

362 Rioters who attempt to start buildings on fire should be shot. They cannot know the place is unoccupied and frankly should be shot even if they did know.

Posted by: irright at November 12, 2021 12:12 PM (SchQD)

363 Kill the looters.
Say they were threatening your life.
Dead men cannot disagree.
Posted by: The Man from Athens at November 12, 2021 12:08 PM (wrO39)

Also keep a nasty little knife that you have completely cleaned of your prints and DNA. Unwrap it and rub it all over the body and then put it into the perps hand, making sure prints are everywhere.
Ahhh...a friend told me.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 12, 2021 12:12 PM (axyOa)

364
as Mystery writers and perps have known for ages, killing is pretty easy. Getting rid of a body without being caught doing it is damned hard.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 12, 2021 11:54 AM (trdmm)

Vacant houses, tarps, a nail gun and a sociopath lesbo minion to carry all the tools.

Posted by: Chris Partlow at November 12, 2021 12:12 PM (n+4am)

365 297 Getting rid of a body without being caught doing it is damned hard.
Posted by: Tom Servo

Access to an Italian deli.
Posted by: Christopher Moltisanti at November 12, 2021 12:02 PM (4I/2K)

Or a pork store!

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at November 12, 2021 12:12 PM (GLULz)

366 I have an actual castle.
Posted by: hogmartin at November 12, 2021 11:51 AM (P4LRL)

Back when I was a kid, a local ophthalmologist (world famous) belonged to our country club - really cool guy and avid tennis freak. He had a castle built in Los Altos overlooking one of the fairways. This of course when everybody was doing ranch style or Spanish style homes. Had a freaking elevator! Needless to say, I was mighty impressed as an 8 year old. I think it's still there, but dwarfed by the 5k+ sq ft monster homes surrounding it.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at November 12, 2021 12:12 PM (wAnMi)

367 @DrGJackBrown
Rittenhouse displays a sexual hand gesture of masturbation when describing loading his AR-15. This is a profound nonverbal tell/body language Freudian Slip indicative of Sexual Sadism.

#BodyLanguageExpert #BodyLanguage #RittenhouseTrial #FreudianSlip
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks

Its obvious that the Doctor has sexual desires for Rittenhouse.

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at November 12, 2021 12:12 PM (ifUkZ)

368 So, "off topic."

I started watching The Chosen. It's the new crowdfunded Jesus series online. I had heard a bit about it starting with Glenn Beck but because it's 1. Independent and ii. religious I concluded that C. it would suck.

But then I heard a few more things here and there and said, fuck it, it's free. Check it out.

So three episodes in and it's pretty good! It's at least on the same level production wise as a modern network show, if not better. The dialogue is modern, to be sure, but the sets look great. The acting and direction is solid. Like every non-network web series the episodes are of irregular length. Episode 1 is almost an hour. Two is forty minutes. Three is thirty. Maybe that and the only other criticism is the Roman Centurions costumes look obviously cheap. Everything else is a real winner.

So really enjoying this show so far. Can't comment on the history part but It's a decent effort and definitely worth a watch.

Posted by: Robert at November 12, 2021 12:12 PM (1Yy3c)

369 You have to use weights at least three times the weight of the body for it to stay down in the water. A few cinder blocks ain't gonna do it.

Slice open the abdomen so the gasses don't build up and bring the body to the surface.

So I've heard.

Posted by: JuJuBee at November 12, 2021 12:12 PM (mNhhD)

370
Posted by: Pennsyltucky at November 12, 2021 11:36 AM (lNHqD

And Law Shield's advice is that even if you are totally convinced it was a good shoot, do NOT talk to the police without a lawyer. Any honest cop will even tell you that.

Posted by: My name is Jose Jimanez at November 12, 2021 12:12 PM (Fs5vw)

371 Getting rid of a body without being caught doing it is damned hard.

Aren't the stats from Chicago that something like 90% of the murders go unsolved?

Posted by: 18-1 at November 12, 2021 12:12 PM (ESjRY)

372 >>Be careful how you get out there. I know of one fellow who was nabbed because of his boat's GPS.

Also remember to leave your cell phone at home.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 12, 2021 12:13 PM (ZLI7S)

373 319 265 >>>Speaking of incredible bullshit, the AP has the Rittenhouse story classified under "Racial Injustice".

Since when has the AP given a crap about white people?
Posted by: Wyatt Earp

He shot a couple of communists. When did communist become a race?
Posted by: Puddleglum at work at November 12, 2021 12:05 PM (ifUkZ)

Given he only shot white people, he must be anti-White. Doesn't that fit with their ideology? I'm confused...

He shot a child molester. I guess that means AP is pro child rape.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com. Not insurgents, counterrevolutionaries. at November 12, 2021 12:13 PM (SchxB)

374 323 When my wife's Akita died on the table getting fixed we brought her home to bury her. They had put her in the freezer and she was frozen solid. I had to drag her across the yard on a sheet, covered her up and started digging a hole. It got dark so I went and got the coleman lantern and kept digging. People kept driving by and slowing down staring at me. when I got the hole about 5 foot deep I got out stood there and finally figured out why people were stopping and staring. Surprised no one called the cops.
Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at November 12, 2021 12:06 PM (bVYXr)

Probably most didn't want to get involved. The others, depending on where you lived, may have believed the guy deserved it.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 12, 2021 12:13 PM (ynpvh)

375 Because a great many murders are on impulse, and suddenly you have a corpse you never planned for. Do your homework, keep your plans to yourself and employ a little OPSEC and you can make someone disappear forever.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 12, 2021 12:00 PM

Yep.

Posted by: Joe Goldberg at November 12, 2021 12:13 PM (Do5/p)

376 Industrial macerator. Then flush them down the drain.

He's a smooth macerator/
Smooth macerator

Posted by: Sade at November 12, 2021 12:13 PM (EughT)

377 What would we do without experts?

Live normal, unencumbered lives. "Dr." Jack Brown is an irredeemable, delusional douchebag.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 12, 2021 12:13 PM (Xrfse)

378 "42 In Florida the castle doctrine applies. If they are coming into your house, you can shoot them. Doesn't matter if they are armed or not. It is a legal shooting.

If they are leaving your house with your stuff, then you can't shoot. You life is not in potential danger at that point.

So the key is always are they moving toward you or away from you. If toward you or your house, you are legally allowed to use deadly force to defend yourself, whether they are armed or not.
Posted by: Dave in Fla (fC3dn) at November 12, 2021 11:25 AM (5p7BC)"

You are not wrong per the letter of the law, but if they try to seriously engage the suburbs or outlying areas you're going to find a massive disappointment in your fellow man to eclipse the mess last fall.

There comes a point where, when they're numerous enough and the situation is bad enough, you need to engage them how/when it's most effective - and the law can fuck itself. You do not risk a gaggle of barbarians breaking through and raping your family because of legal details.

Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at November 12, 2021 12:13 PM (wsx8x)

379 ~~And Law Shield's advice is that even if you are totally convinced it was a good shoot,~~ do NOT talk to the police without a lawyer. ~~Any honest cop will even tell you that.~~
Posted by: My name is Jose Jimanez at November 12, 2021 12:12 PM (Fs5vw)
++++
No need for all the specifics.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 12, 2021 12:14 PM (DU+/6)

380 @DrGJackBrown
Rittenhouse displays a sexual hand gesture of masturbation when describing loading his AR-15. This is a profound nonverbal tell/body language Freudian Slip indicative of Sexual Sadism.

#BodyLanguageExpert #BodyLanguage #RittenhouseTrial #FreudianSlip
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 12, 2021 12:07 PM (FVME7)
++++
Listen to this guy. He knows what's talking about and has a long list of credentials to prove it.

Posted by: Tom Nichols at November 12, 2021 12:08 PM (DU+/6)
===

Tom and the masturbation experts both know the ins and outs.

Posted by: Jeffy Toobin at November 12, 2021 12:14 PM (iDcra)

381 Aren't the stats from Chicago that something like 90% of the murders go unsolved?

Posted by: 18-1 at November 12, 2021 12:12 PM

Probably inevitable when no one is bothering to try to solve them.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at November 12, 2021 12:14 PM (Do5/p)

382 Traditionally rioters and looter were shot. By the government.

But that's when the government was working for the normies, not the looters.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 12, 2021 12:14 PM (ESjRY)

383 @DrGJackBrown

So glad all the experts are weighing in./s

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 12, 2021 12:14 PM (YK8CE)

384 How is it that Grosskreutz is not facing attempted murder charges? His attempt to kill Rittenhouse is what caused him to lose his bicep. He should be charged.

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at November 12, 2021 12:14 PM (flINI)

385 On top of that, the song has no ending, no resolution. The girl slips away and the boy joins her the very next day, and they're supposedly still running today. A reader or listener wants some closure, dammit! Billy Mack plugging one or both of them when they're shooting at him, now there's some resolution!

(I will give it that Billy Mack the cop himself might have been one to say, "I know what the facts is" instead of "are.")
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 12, 2021 12:09 PM (txdEq)

For a song on the same topic with a GREAT resolution, you can't beat "The Road goes on Forever and the Party Never Ends."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJRWtKePKuY

it's pretty dark, naturally.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 12, 2021 12:14 PM (trdmm)

386 332 Anyone who claims theft and property damage is, "just stuff" does not value life.

Why?

We are on this earth a finite amount of time. During this life, we spend our time working, that is, drawing from an irreplaceable bank account, in order to put food on the table, clothes on our back and a roof over our head.

Stealing from someone is taking not just their stuff, it is also taking that which cannot be replaced, life.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at November 12, 2021 12:07 PM (ZwxDF)

Murder is the ultimate theft.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 12, 2021 12:15 PM (ynpvh)

387 have to use weights at least three times the weight of the body for it to stay down in the water.

Now you tell me.

Posted by: Scott Peterson at November 12, 2021 12:15 PM (fSn94)

388
Mister Scot (Formerly GWS)

My sister had a female Springer Spaniel that seemed to be at death's door, so I dug her grave (in sand, luckily) during a couple of hours one afternoon during a summer visit some years ago.

Ungrateful beast got better and lived another couple of years. Probably a good thing, because the lot in which I had dug her grave was a separate lot from my sister's, but owned by her, and within a few years someone began building a dwelling there.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 12, 2021 12:15 PM (3l5Yq)

389 You do not risk a gaggle of barbarians breaking through and raping your family because of legal details.

And this is were normies need to understand they can vote not guilty no matter what the law and the judge says.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 12, 2021 12:15 PM (ESjRY)

390 337 LOL LOL LOL LOL

ABC News headline:

Vermont has the highest vaccination rate in the country. So why are cases surging?

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at November 12, 2021 12:08 PM (OalnH)

Maybe the two are related...Hmmm.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 12, 2021 12:15 PM (ynpvh)

391 Probably inevitable when no one is bothering to try to solve them.
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at November 12, 2021 12:14 PM (Do5/p)

Most crimes are solved when some rats out the perps after they themselves are arrested. Almost always in mere property crimes.

Stupidly, criminals talk to each other, a lot.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 12, 2021 12:16 PM (rdbLX)

392 In texas simply being on your property and being told to leave opens up legitimate weld defense claims.

Dang. I can solder with the best of 'em, but I can't lay a bead down to save my ass.

Posted by: Common Tater at November 12, 2021 12:16 PM (aENAX)

393 Also remember to leave your cell phone at home.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 12, 2021 12:13 PM

Which is more easily explained than turning it off for a four hour window when that is the only four hours the phone has been off for the entire year.

Posted by: Chuck C at November 12, 2021 12:16 PM (EughT)

394 Maybe the best protection would be to have a stash of MAGA hats at your home and put one on the dead looter?

Probably save you a million dollars defending yourself from a blue state DA.

Posted by: Blago at November 12, 2021 12:16 PM (usqGO)

395 have to use weights at least three times the weight of the body for it to stay down in the water.

__

Nuh-uh.

Posted by: Every movie where somewhat got rid of a body that way at November 12, 2021 12:16 PM (OalnH)

396 When I had a basement and wanted to put in a bathroom they had to explain to me that I'd need a macerator put in line from the toilet to the septic system. "A what?", then I paused to think about what macerate means. eeewwww

Posted by: banana Dream at November 12, 2021 12:16 PM (l4HL2)

397
Tom and the masturbation experts both know the ins and outs.
Posted by: Jeffy Toobin at November 12, 2021 12:14 PM (iDcra)

--------

IN: Five boxes of snowcap, daily.

OUT: Thought Leadership

Posted by: Practically every member of ConInc at November 12, 2021 12:17 PM (/KPLX)

398 323 "When my wife's Akita died (...) People kept driving by and slowing down staring at me. when I got the hole about 5 foot deep I got out stood there and finally figured out why people were stopping and staring. Surprised no one called the cops.
Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at November 12, 2021 12:06 PM (bVYXr)

I grew up on a farm. We always dug a nice deep hole and planted something pretty on top. Daisies for our dog Daisy, etc. Where I am now we're on rocks. Just rocks. I feel horrible that we didn't bring any of our dogs "home" over the years but it's hard to find a place to bury a hamster or a cockateil. We manage cats and allowed a friend who lived in town to bring her cat out for a nice funeral but there's almost not a hole, and then rocks over the top.

Posted by: Synova at November 12, 2021 12:17 PM (BD/yx)

399 CA Castle Doctrine:

The following must occur in order to justify the use of deadly force under the Castle Doctrine:

- The individual knew or had reason to believe the person illegally entered their home.
- The intruder acted unlawfully.
- The individual and anyone else in the home did not provoke the intruder in any way.
- The individual had a reasonable fear of imminent death or suffering serve bodily injury to themselves, a family member, or someone else in the household.
- The intruder was not a member of the household or family.

So basically, the mayor of LA can go off and fuck himself. This seems pretty straightforward and good enough for me (as if I give a rat's ass what they say).

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at November 12, 2021 12:17 PM (wAnMi)

400 >>Vermont has the highest vaccination rate in the country. So why are cases surging?

Welcome 100+ Afghan refugees in September probably wasn't the best idea. Likelihood they were vaccinated and not bringing with them other diseases in addition to covid?

There was a big TB outbreak in Brattleboro after they welcomed 100 or more Somali refugees during Obama's administration.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 12, 2021 12:17 PM (bDqIh)

401 Murder is the ultimate theft.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 12, 2021

***
And has been thought so for most of human history, because a life, once taken, is not something you can give back. There's no restitution.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 12, 2021 12:17 PM (txdEq)

402

Who dis'

Phyliss Diller and Soupy Sales!

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at November 12, 2021 12:17 PM (K2SnJ)

403 Getting rid of a body without being caught doing it is damned hard.
Posted by: Tom Servo

Access to an Italian deli.
Posted by: Christopher Moltisanti at November 12, 2021 12:02 PM (4I/2K)

Or a pork store!
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at November 12, 2021 12:12 PM

Or glass cage in a bookstore basement (or in a storage space... or in a bake shop basement).

Posted by: Joe Goldberg at November 12, 2021 12:17 PM (Do5/p)

404 "389 You do not risk a gaggle of barbarians breaking through and raping your family because of legal details.

And this is were normies need to understand they can vote not guilty no matter what the law and the judge says.
Posted by: 18-1 at November 12, 2021 12:15 PM (ESjRY)"

If the powers that be allow things to get to this point, they need to be gone when the dust clears. There should be no jury to vote on the matter in the first place.

"384 How is it that Grosskreutz is not facing attempted murder charges? His attempt to kill Rittenhouse is what caused him to lose his bicep. He should be charged.
Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at November 12, 2021 12:14 PM (flINI)"

Is this a serious question, or you do really not understand that this is the government endorsing your murder?

Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at November 12, 2021 12:18 PM (wsx8x)

405 then I paused to think about what macerate means.

Is that the same thing as a grinder pump?

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 12, 2021 12:18 PM (rdbLX)

406 There was a big TB outbreak in Brattleboro after they welcomed 100 or more Somali refugees during Obama's administration.
Posted by: Lizzy at November 12, 2021 12:17 PM (bDqIh)

___

FUNberculosis!!

Posted by: Every movie where somewhat got rid of a body that way at November 12, 2021 12:18 PM (OalnH)

407 For a song on the same topic with a GREAT resolution, you can't beat "The Road goes on Forever and the Party Never Ends."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJRWtKePKuY

it's pretty dark, naturally.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 12, 2021 12:14 PM (trdmm)

Love that song. Robert Earl Keen is awesome.

Another good one by him in the same vein is "Tom Ames' Prayer."

Posted by: The Rittenhouse Judge at November 12, 2021 12:18 PM (wmDcS)

408 . . . I feel horrible that we didn't bring any of our dogs "home" over the years but it's hard to find a place to bury a hamster or a cockateil. We manage cats and allowed a friend who lived in town to bring her cat out for a nice funeral but there's almost not a hole, and then rocks over the top.
Posted by: Synova at November 12, 2021

***
I wish I had some property where I could have laid my cats to rest instead of doing the cremation thing.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 12, 2021 12:19 PM (txdEq)

409 No, no, no.

The reason VT has spiking cases even though everyone is vaccinated, is because Florida's population is NOT vaccinated.

This is science people!!

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at November 12, 2021 12:19 PM (OalnH)

410 Any honest cop will even tell you that.

Okay. Thanks for nothing.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 12, 2021 12:19 PM (Xrfse)

411 If they are leaving your house with your stuff, then you can't shoot. You life is not in potential danger at that point.

"Psst.... c'mere, ya forgot something"

Posted by: JT at November 12, 2021 12:19 PM (arJlL)

412 In California robbery is the taking from another of property by means of force or fear.

We prefer the term 'revenue'.

Posted by: IRS at November 12, 2021 12:19 PM (AytXr)

413 I have a murder mystery novel in my head. The body will be buried in a fresh grave at the graveyard in the middle of the night. Even if they knew it was there, the cops would need a warrant to dig it up.

Posted by: Hawkpilot at November 12, 2021 12:20 PM (8quNM)

414 When my wife's Akita died on the table getting fixed we brought her home to bury her. They had put her in the freezer and she was frozen solid. I had to drag her across the yard on a sheet, covered her up and started digging a hole. It got dark so I went and got the coleman lantern and kept digging. People kept driving by and slowing down staring at me. when I got the hole about 5 foot deep I got out stood there and finally figured out why people were stopping and staring. Surprised no one called the cops.
Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at November 12, 2021 12:06 PM (bVYXr)
*******
Wait... your wife's Akita died on the table getting fixed? How did that happen? I ask because I get my new pups fixed in January.

Posted by: redridinghood at November 12, 2021 12:20 PM (NpAcC)

415 409 No, no, no.

The reason VT has spiking cases even though everyone is vaccinated, is because Florida's population is NOT vaccinated.

This is science people!!
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at November 12, 2021 12:19 PM (OalnH)

==========

"Oh, thank God. I was about to question some core beliefs for a second there."
-Karen McWinemom

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, the hero Gotham deserves at November 12, 2021 12:20 PM (LvTSG)

416 402 Hillary Clinton

Ah, the really scary one has arrived. A great Old One from the outer cosmos.

Everyone make a saving throw for sanity.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 12, 2021 12:20 PM (u82oZ)

417 "Vermont has the highest vaccination rate in the country. So why are cases surging?

Posted by: Joe XiDen"

Unvaxed bikers party in Iowa.

Posted by: Ripley at November 12, 2021 12:20 PM (MxEKc)

418 For everyone who asked about my heart surgery recovery and I said I was still fatigued and light headed when exerting myself, I've been in the hospital for a couple days correcting a slow heartbeat through medication that looks like the source of the problem. Truthfully I feel better now than I have since way before the surgery so thanks for all the well wishes.

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Michael Byrd Murdered Ashli Babbitt at November 12, 2021 12:20 PM (g5I2H)

419 353 >>Hmmm. You've put a little too much thought into this.

Proper Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 12, 2021 12:10 PM (ZLI7S)

Today's thread winner.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at November 12, 2021 12:20 PM (GLULz)

420 Vermont has the highest vaccination rate in the country. So why are cases surging?

Since cases = positive tests, and the high rate of false positives make the tests the equivalent of coin tosses, the only reasonable explanation is more tests are being conducted.

Which makes sense since so many companies have bowed the knee to Ba'al and demand either the deadly mRNA shots or frequent (and unnecessary) testing of the Unclean Purebloods.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at November 12, 2021 12:20 PM (+LCoQ)

421 "Which is more easily explained than turning it off for a four hour window when that is the only four hours the phone has been off for the entire year.
Posted by: Chuck C at November 12, 2021 12:16 PM (EughT)"

Depends on whether the power is on, but yes. They'll know it wasn't moving around unless you take care to spoof that.

Ditching a body is, actually, not hard at all. Most people are just to impatient and don't consider the issue carefully enough.

If you are at all concerned with looters attacking your AO you should already have this problem addressed.

Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at November 12, 2021 12:20 PM (wsx8x)

422 I grew up on a farm. We always dug a nice deep hole and planted something pretty on top. Daisies for our dog Daisy, etc. Where I am now we're on rocks. Just rocks. I feel horrible that we didn't bring any of our dogs "home" over the years but it's hard to find a place to bury a hamster or a cockateil. We manage cats and allowed a friend who lived in town to bring her cat out for a nice funeral but there's almost not a hole, and then rocks over the top.

Here in NoVa, pets are usually cremated. It ain't cheap.

Posted by: pep at November 12, 2021 12:21 PM (ZsR3z)

423 In a novel of mine, I made up an abandoned mine -- situated it near where Leadville is today. For all I know there is a real one there near the highway that leads south from the real Leadville.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius

I don't recall seeing any mines from the highway on the road up to Leadville, but that doesn't mean there aren't any.
You can see a lot of un-remediated mines from I-70 on the Western Slope as you drive west on the interstate.
Also, a lot of old narrow-gauge railroad grades where they pulled up the rails and roadbed, but the grade is still there.
That pure Colorado water from snow is a lot of hogwash. Runoff water in CO is full of Selenium and other heavy metals from all the un-remediated mines.
And they are actually working the old gold mine in Cripple Creek, where all the new casinos are.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at November 12, 2021 12:21 PM (vcOmj)

424 "Psst.... c'mere, ya forgot something"

"They didn't find the gold, honey!"

Posted by: t-bird at November 12, 2021 12:21 PM (fSmfa)

425 Also, the best defense here is to not live in the donkey barn. Yes, I know, that means giving up some of the catered-to suburban comforts...but that's the thing, everyone must now choose between comfortable chaos and rough stability.

Posted by: CppThis at November 12, 2021 12:21 PM (UewuT)

426 Mister Scot (Formerly GWS)

Was this operation on Ben Had's kitchen table.

That table has quite the reputation.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 12, 2021 12:21 PM (u82oZ)

427 From the sidebar: OMG: Fatlock just said, "Your honor, the defense is trying to take advantage of your lack of knowledge of technology!"
The defense just proved that the altered photo the prosecution wants to introduce is in fact altered by interpolation is not a fair and accurate depiction of reality, and their own expert admitted that on the stand. So now they're telling the judge he's too old to understand the issues here!
OMG, the judge folded under pressure and allowed the image in. People are saying he's based because he yells at Littlefinger, but he never takes action against him. Fatlock called him old and insinuated that the media would make fun of him for being old and not understanding tech if he didn't allow this bullshit altered image, and the judge allowed it.

And this is why I am not as confident that a verdict of innocent is guaranteed. After the last 20 months of illogical bullshit, I'm not confident of anything anymore.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at November 12, 2021 12:22 PM (Do5/p)

428 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJRWtKePKuY

it's pretty dark, naturally.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 12, 2021
*
Love that song. Robert Earl Keen is awesome.

***
I wasn't sure I understood his singing, so I looked up the lyrics. You're right; very well done, very down-home film noir.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 12, 2021 12:22 PM (txdEq)

429 Good news everyone. Former Enron consultant, Paul Krugman says inflation is nothing to worry about. Stop believing the right wing lies.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at November 12, 2021 12:22 PM (OalnH)

430 >>>Legal question: How can I protect my home from serious, determined looters?
I'm watching the Rittenhouse trial and the prosecution made the point that deadly force is allowed when you're defending your life, but not when you're protecting your property.

1. This is STATE BY STATE
2. The most important usual factor is a "duty to retreat"

Most states that do not have a "duty to retreat" indicate that you may use lesser means to protect property, and then if the situation escalates to a threat on your life you may then use self defense to include lethal force.

So they way this looks is, you catch someone trying to steal your stuff, you confront them, instead of running they threaten you, you use self defense to protect yourself.

Now in States that have castle doctrine, depending on how it's written it could be as liberal as, "they were in my house, and I *thought* they were going to steal stuff" and that's good enough to use lethal force.

Check the laws in your state. Know what you can do and can't do.

Posted by: mikethemoose at November 12, 2021 12:22 PM (T/vhV)

431 In the nearby city, what supermarkets there are have big barriers so you can't take a shopping cart far from the store. Doesn't mean they still can't load up, and do what they did in the video. That's why there are food deserts in all the big cities. As if anyone can't figure that out.

Posted by: Colin at November 12, 2021 12:22 PM (D2nFQ)

432 My family had a lilac bush in the back where cats RIP'ed. I love lilacs, the look and smell and wasn't happy when I found out they can't live in hotter climates than the midwest.

Posted by: banana Dream at November 12, 2021 12:22 PM (l4HL2)

433 How is it that Grosskreutz is not facing attempted murder charges? His attempt to kill Rittenhouse is what caused him to lose his bicep. He should be charged.
Posted by: Truck Monkey Report

And he also likely carried his firearm over state lines with intent to commit a felony. I wonder if his pistol was legally purchased?
Questions, questions.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at November 12, 2021 12:23 PM (vcOmj)

434 The classic example was Mayor Daley. The original, "accept no substitutes" Daley.

Yeah, he probably was a crook. And a Democrat. But in those days, Democrats still understood a few things. And one of them was the Voters, business owners, and making Chicago a decent place to live.

In '68 he came right out and said looters will be shot. Wounded, at least. They came right out said in no uncertain terms - anyone caught with a lit Molotov was "shoot to kill"

This is more than fair, and it's a damn shame that guys like Daley are now extinct in the Democrats. He liked America and Americans. Dirty commies/anarchists/bomb throwers, not so much.

Posted by: Common Tater at November 12, 2021 12:23 PM (aENAX)

435 because a life, once taken, is not something you can give back. There's no restitution.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 12, 2021 12:17 PM (txdEq)

They have insurance

Posted by: The left at November 12, 2021 12:23 PM (/6GbT)

436 I wasn't sure I understood his singing, so I looked up the lyrics. You're right; very well done, very down-home film noir.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 12, 2021 12:22 PM (txdEq)

Joe Ely does a cover which is a bit more upbeat and rock-like, but still good.

Posted by: The Rittenhouse Judge at November 12, 2021 12:23 PM (wmDcS)

437 Paul Krugman

He is so stupid. If breathing took cognitive brain power, he would be dead years ago.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 12, 2021 12:23 PM (u82oZ)

438 If I ever moved back to the midwest first thing I'm doing is putting a mess of lilac bushes in the ground.

Posted by: banana Dream at November 12, 2021 12:23 PM (l4HL2)

439 You can't shoot somebody if all he's doing is stealing your stuff.
---------

This law varies from state to state.
And possibly jurisdictions within states?

Posted by: Braenyarf at November 12, 2021 12:24 PM (WzJXd)

440 Excellent news, Captain Hate.

Posted by: irright at November 12, 2021 12:24 PM (SchQD)

441 Probably most didn't want to get involved. The others, depending on where you lived, may have believed the guy deserved it.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 12, 2021 12:13 PM (ynpvh)

Most of the neighbors in my 'hood would of stopped to help.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 12, 2021 12:24 PM (axyOa)

442 CO probably rolled back their "make my day" as the FNM called it, castle doctrine law that spelled out that one was allowed to assume anyone who would break into your occupied house was a serious threat and you could use deadly force to neutralize that threat.
Posted by: PaleRider, cheerful clinger at November 12, 2021 11:44 AM (3cGpq)

Colorado:
...when that other person has made an unlawful entry into the dwelling, and when the occupant has a reasonable belief that such other person has committed a crime in the dwelling in addition to the uninvited entry, or is committing or intends to commit a crime against a person or property in addition to the uninvited entry, and when the occupant reasonably believes that such other person might use any physical force, no matter how slight, against any occupant

So they can enter and refuse to leave and you can't shoot, but if they pick something up (ie. steal) or threaten you in any way, then feuer frei.

Posted by: Bacon Jeff at November 12, 2021 12:24 PM (VGRuw)

443 In a novel of mine, I made up an abandoned mine -- situated it near where Leadville is today. For all I know there is a real one there near the highway that leads south from the real Leadville.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius
*
I don't recall seeing any mines from the highway on the road up to Leadville, but that doesn't mean there aren't any. . . .

Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at November 12, 2021

***
I've forgotten the highway number, but I said it was the one that runs north from Buena Vista to Leadville. I set the mine well off the highway; its location was important to the plot.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 12, 2021 12:24 PM (txdEq)

444 Extra monkey time?

Posted by: Skip's Phone at November 12, 2021 12:24 PM (Z48zY)

445 Self defense is state law. In Georgia, if your life is threatened, another persons life is threatened, or to prevent a forcible felony. Guess what kicking a door in is?

Posted by: Lordcsmith at November 12, 2021 12:24 PM (wScEt)

446
And this is why I am not as confident that a verdict of innocent is guaranteed. After the last 20 months of illogical bullshit, I'm not confident of anything anymore.
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at November 12, 2021 12:22 PM (Do5/p)

-------

If it comes down to a jury deliberation, then like most cases, it was won or lost in voir dire. The trial is pretty much pro forma, and matters little. If the prosecution did its job in voir dire, they'll win without regard to the merits of the case. But after their performance at trial, I'm not confident they did a good job at the early stage, either.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 12, 2021 12:24 PM (/KPLX)

447 429 Good news everyone. Former Enron consultant, Paul Krugman says inflation is nothing to worry about. Stop believing the right wing lies.
Posted by: Joe XiDen

Ah. Thanks, Paul. Weimer Republic style inflation it is. Appreciate the heads up.

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at November 12, 2021 12:24 PM (KY22T)

448 I live across the street from a cemetery. It has occurred to me that it's a perfect place to hide a body.

Posted by: Tennessee Jed at November 12, 2021 12:25 PM (0X6/9)

449 This argument that you cannot protect your property with force is ridiculous. This is going to lead to more looting.

Posted by: Draki at November 12, 2021 12:25 PM (gxyqK)

450 413 I have a murder mystery novel in my head. The body will be buried in a fresh grave at the graveyard in the middle of the night. Even if they knew it was there, the cops would need a warrant to dig it up.

Posted by: Hawkpilot at November 12, 2021 12:20 PM (8quNM)

"Dexter" had an episode where the DA did just that; The grave was dug a little deeper, the body placed in it, buried, and awaited the placement of the coffin on top for the burial the next day.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 12, 2021 12:25 PM (ynpvh)

451 How is it that Grosskreutz is not facing attempted murder charges? His attempt to kill Rittenhouse is what caused him to lose his bicep. He should be charged.
Posted by: Truck Monkey Report

And he also likely carried his firearm over state lines with intent to commit a felony. I wonder if his pistol was legally purchased?
Questions, questions.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative...

He already admitted his CHL had expired.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 12, 2021 12:25 PM (OCTRt)

452 Robert Earl Keen is awesome.

Another good one by him in the same vein is "Tom Ames' Prayer."
Posted by: The Rittenhouse Judge at November 12, 2021 12:18 PM (wmDcS)

So is Joe Ely's "Whenever Kindness Fails" written by Robert Earl

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Michael Byrd Murdered Ashli Babbitt at November 12, 2021 12:25 PM (g5I2H)

453 Hmmm. You've put a little too much thought into this.

Proper Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 12, 2021 12:10 PM

Hmmm. 6P. I wonder if this is what my Design for Six Sigma (DFSS) Green Belt training was based on... maybe they teach us about hiding bodies in the Black Belt training...

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at November 12, 2021 12:25 PM (Do5/p)

454 My family had a lilac bush in the back where cats RIP'ed. I love lilacs, the look and smell and wasn't happy when I found out they can't live in hotter climates than the midwest.

A while ago, my very aged mother was worried that a cat would die within a week or two, so while I was visiting, I took an old mailbox and buried it so that door was at the top. Attached a string to the door and covered the whole thing with a large overturned plant pot so that if it rained, it wouldn't fill up the mailbox with dirt.

Years from now when someone is digging around in the garden they will find a decomposing animal in a mailbox.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at November 12, 2021 12:26 PM (+LCoQ)

455 CDC No record of naturally immune spreading COVID:

https://tinyurl.com/282r4y6f

Posted by: rhennigantx at November 12, 2021 12:26 PM (yrol0)

456 This is more than fair, and it's a damn shame that guys like Daley are now extinct in the Democrats. He liked America and Americans. Dirty commies/anarchists/bomb throwers, not so much.
===

Damn shame that guys like Daley are now extinct in the republicant party.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at November 12, 2021 12:26 PM (iDcra)

457 417 "Vermont has the highest vaccination rate in the country. So why are cases surging?
Posted by: Joe XiDen"

Unvaxed bikers party in Iowa.
Posted by: Ripley at November 12, 2021 12:20 PM (MxEKc)

More likely unvaxxed politicians partying.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 12, 2021 12:26 PM (ynpvh)

458 I just re read Ace's version of Tom Friedman's last column. Pure joy. and I noted this headline he wrote on the same day.

The Mystery of the Vanderbilt Poop Hatecrime Solved: It Was a Blind Girl's Seeing Eye Dog's Poop, Which She Had Left on the Ground Because She Couldn't Find a Trashcan.

Honestly, when the dude is on fire, he's like the fcukin' sun.

Posted by: simplemind at November 12, 2021 12:26 PM (1XszQ)

459 Remember, people, body disposal is optional.

One needs to think carefully about options. Does Nacht und Nebel make more sense than decorating an overpass?

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at November 12, 2021 12:26 PM (ZwxDF)

460 For everyone who asked about my heart surgery recovery and I said I was still fatigued and light headed when exerting myself, I've been in the hospital for a couple days correcting a slow heartbeat through medication that looks like the source of the problem. Truthfully I feel better now than I have since way before the surgery so thanks for all the well wishes.
Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Michael Byrd Murdered Ashli Babbitt

Want me to send ya some James Jones ?

Posted by: JT at November 12, 2021 12:27 PM (arJlL)

461 417 "Vermont has the highest vaccination rate in the country. So why are cases surging?
Posted by: Joe XiDen

Phish's fault.

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at November 12, 2021 12:27 PM (KY22T)

462 CDC No record of naturally immune spreading COVID:

https://tinyurl.com/282r4y6f
==
SUR PRISE SUR PRISE SUR PRISE!!!!!!

Posted by: Gomer Pyle at November 12, 2021 12:27 PM (iJE3F)

463 Why is the Wisconsin govt allowed to protect property with force, but not it's citizens? Ex: riot police

Posted by: Draki at November 12, 2021 12:27 PM (gxyqK)

464 >CDC No record of naturally immune spreading COVID:

https://tinyurl.com/282r4y6f
Posted by: rhennigantx at November 12, 2021 12:26 PM (yrol0)

Pshaw, this so-called "natural immunity" is a right wing conspiracy theory. Vaxmaxx for the best health!

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at November 12, 2021 12:28 PM (cSs/W)

465 How is it that Grosskreutz is not facing attempted murder charges? His attempt to kill Rittenhouse is what caused him to lose his bicep. He should be charged.
Posted by: Truck Monkey Report

And he also likely carried his firearm over state lines with intent to commit a felony. I wonder if his pistol was legally purchased?
Questions, questions.

IIRC, and it's quite possible I don't, Grosskreutz already has a felony conviction for something, and so shouldn't have had a gun in the first place because it is illegal for him to do so. Not that he'll be charged with anything for that.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com. Not insurgents, counterrevolutionaries. at November 12, 2021 12:28 PM (SchxB)

466 Unbelievable.

Andrew McCarthy arguing against Durham doing anything at all. Says " investigation discretion" belongs entirely to FBI and should not be questioned.

McCarthy has completely lost his way, and become a morally bankrupt, evil individual. There is no subtlety here, no nuance: The government of the United States is attacking innocent citizens and few opportunities remain to save the Republic.

Durham is a slim reed to grasp, and he represents one of those few opportunities; but if he follows McCarthy's Deep State approach, the opportunity will be lost (with terrible consequences for our nation).

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 12, 2021 12:28 PM (NBppC)

467 If it comes down to a jury deliberation, then like most cases, it was won or lost in voir dire. The trial is pretty much pro forma, and matters little. If the prosecution did its job in voir dire, they'll win without regard to the merits of the case. But after their performance at trial, I'm not confident they did a good job at the early stage, either.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 12, 2021 12:24 PM

So you're telling me that 12 Angry Men is not reality? Damn...

Seriously, this is pretty disheartening to know the system is this fucked up and nothing is based on logic and reason, but just luck of the (voir dire) draw.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at November 12, 2021 12:28 PM (Do5/p)

468 Call their characterization of property "morally retrograde," and they will merely sneer at your bourgeois morality. To the committed Leninist what is moral is what advances the interests of the Party.

Posted by: Rowsdower Continues to Insist Ashli Babbitt is Crispus Attucks and Michael Byrd is Lon Horiuchi at November 12, 2021 12:29 PM (P/ALc)

469 You can't shoot somebody if all he's doing is stealing your stuff.
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This law varies from state to state.
And possibly jurisdictions within states?

Doesn't anyone have throw-down weapons anymore?

Posted by: Reuben Hick at November 12, 2021 12:29 PM (+LCoQ)

470 "Dexter" had an episode where the DA did just that; The grave was dug a little deeper, the body placed in it, buried, and awaited the placement of the coffin on top for the burial the next day.
==
Whose givin' up our secrets?

Posted by: La Cosa Nostra at November 12, 2021 12:29 PM (UX8ze)

471 AoSHQ: Come for the boobehs and bats, stay for the body disposal tips. Heh.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 12, 2021 12:30 PM (Xrfse)

472 449 This argument that you cannot protect your property with force is ridiculous. This is going to lead to more looting.
Posted by: Draki at November 12, 2021 12:25 PM (gxyqK)
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In some states you have the right to protect your neighbor's property.

Posted by: Braenyarf at November 12, 2021 12:30 PM (WzJXd)

473 -
CDC No record of naturally immune spreading COVID:

https://tinyurl.com/282r4y6f

Posted by: rhennigantx at November 12, 2021 12:26 PM -
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My cynicism says they are now hard at work creating such records.

Posted by: irright at November 12, 2021 12:30 PM (SchQD)

474 nood

That ace dude

Posted by: banana Dream at November 12, 2021 12:30 PM (l4HL2)

475 Want me to send ya some James Jones ?
Posted by: JT at November 12, 2021 12:27 PM (arJlL)

Sure, I'm probably in suitable shape to physically rip it up rather than just verbally.

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Michael Byrd Murdered Ashli Babbitt at November 12, 2021 12:30 PM (g5I2H)

476
Seriously, this is pretty disheartening to know the system is this fucked up and nothing is based on logic and reason, but just luck of the (voir dire) draw.
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at November 12, 2021 12:28 PM (Do5/p)

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It ain't luck. A trial attorney's most important skill is jury selection. It takes a lot of practice to get good at it. And that's only if you have the killer instinct to begin with.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 12, 2021 12:31 PM (/KPLX)

477 CDC No record of naturally immune spreading COVID:

https://tinyurl.com/282r4y6f
Posted by: rhennigantx at November 12, 2021 12:26 PM (yrol0)
===============
I was confused reading the letter: The lawyer asks specifically about unvaccinated people who got covid twice. Why twice? With that in mind, does the letter actually say what we would all like to think it says?

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 12, 2021 12:31 PM (NBppC)

478 Step One - Buy an old school butcher shop...

Posted by: Phuk Ho Le at November 12, 2021 12:31 PM (+mzQM)

479 In some states you have the right to protect your neighbor's property.

Posted by: Braenyarf at November 12, 2021 12:30 PM (WzJXd)

I remember a wonderful 911 tape from Oklahoma, where a man blasted two guys robbing his neighbor's house. No charges

Posted by: Draki at November 12, 2021 12:31 PM (gxyqK)

480 I hit it again

Posted by: Braenyard at November 12, 2021 12:31 PM (WzJXd)

481 462 CDC No record of naturally immune spreading COVID:

https://tinyurl.com/282r4y6f
==
SUR PRISE SUR PRISE SUR PRISE!!!!!!

Posted by: Gomer Pyle at November 12, 2021 12:27 PM (iJE3F)

Um, because THEY'RE IMMUNE? Which means if you get the vax, you are....

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 12, 2021 12:32 PM (ynpvh)

482 Come on people... all you need is a "No Trespassing" sign. That alone will keep the bad guys away.

Just like that "Shoplifters will be Prosecuted" sign.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 12, 2021 12:32 PM (BFigT)

483 I've dug holes. I ain't digging a 5' deep hole unless I'm sitting at the controls of a backhoe.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 12, 2021 12:32 PM (trdmm)

484 I've forgotten the highway number, but I said it was the one that runs north from Buena Vista to Leadville. I set the mine well off the highway; its location was important to the plot.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius

Yeah, I've been in Buena Vista a few times and driven up to Leadville from there. Leadville is the highest altitude continuously occupied city in the US. It's like 10,400 ft above sea level. It's cold there even in the summer.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at November 12, 2021 12:32 PM (vcOmj)

485 CDC No record of naturally immune spreading COVID:

https://tinyurl.com/282r4y6f

Posted by: rhennigantx at November 12, 2021 12:26 PM

Just because there is no record of it, does NOT mean it's not happening! Get vaxxed, you science-denier!

Posted by: Karen McScoldy at November 12, 2021 12:33 PM (Do5/p)

486 -
I was confused reading the letter: The lawyer asks specifically about unvaccinated people who got covid twice. Why twice? With that in mind, does the letter actually say what we would all like to think it says?

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 12, 2021 12:31 PM -
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The lawyer wants to show that the naturally immune don't get it again and infect people.

Posted by: irright at November 12, 2021 12:33 PM (SchQD)

487 @466
>>Durham is a slim reed to grasp.

Durham is and has always been a gigantic circle jerk.

He's still Chicken F***ing the "the Origins" of the Steele Dossier.

The criminality and corruption are far beyond that bogus piece of garbage that literally everyone knew 5 f***ing years ago was garbage.

But nope, still trying to get to the bottom of that turd.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 12, 2021 12:34 PM (iaAVH)

488 Trespassers will be shot
Survivors will be shot again

Posted by: Braenyard at November 12, 2021 12:34 PM (WzJXd)

489 394 Maybe the best protection would be to have a stash of MAGA hats at your home and put one on the dead looter?

Probably save you a million dollars defending yourself from a blue state DA.
Posted by: Blago at November 12, 2021 12:16 PM (usqGO)

LOL. Now THIS is thinking out of the box.

Posted by: My name is Jose Jimanez at November 12, 2021 12:34 PM (Fs5vw)

490 Liberty is impossible without private property. It is the means to the "pursuit of happiness", by which phrase was meant "the acquisition of material well being."

You know, food, clothing, shelter. The founders didn't mean feelz.

Posted by: Brett at November 12, 2021 12:35 PM (TIXkZ)

491 Sometimes burglars, upon finding people inside homes, rape them. Once someone breaks in, I assume any and all manner of crimes may be committed by the home invader.

Posted by: Baldy at November 12, 2021 12:36 PM (Iz401)

492 Posted by: Inogame at November 12, 2021 11:31 AM (rPkiE)

Wonderful! Congratulations mom and dad!

Posted by: Bosk at November 12, 2021 12:37 PM (x6uUk)

493 For the record, that burning building in the photo was a future affordable housing development.

https://tinyurl.com/yc8w5vtv

Posted by: MW at November 12, 2021 12:38 PM (u33s0)

494 How is it that Grosskreutz is not facing attempted murder charges? His attempt to kill Rittenhouse is what caused him to lose his bicep. He should be charged.
Posted by: Truck Monkey Report

And he also likely carried his firearm over state lines with intent to commit a felony. I wonder if his pistol was legally purchased?
Questions, questions.
____________

He admitted he was carrying illegally, since he didn't have a concealed carry permit (which Wisconsin requires) and he was carrying concealed.

But he testified that he wasn't going to shoot anybody with his loaded Glock, which he was carrying illegally, because that's just not who he is! And we have to believe him, because he's a lefty.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at November 12, 2021 12:38 PM (k4dH2)

495 42 In Florida the castle doctrine applies. If they are coming into your house, you can shoot them. Doesn't matter if they are armed or not. It is a legal shooting.

If they are leaving your house with your stuff, then you can't shoot. You life is not in potential danger at that point.

[Florida Statute 776.012(2) allows the use of deadly force to prevent the commission of a forcible felony, including burglary or robbery]

Posted by: Uncle Rick at November 12, 2021 12:40 PM (48/MM)

496 Hearty congratulations to the Inogame family! God is good.

Posted by: Sassy at November 12, 2021 12:40 PM (xSICi)

497 Stand outside, on your doorstep, with a gun. If anyone runs towards you, shout "you are threatening me! Stop!"

When they don't stop, shoot to kill, I mean "shoot to protect yourself until the threat is over."

The threat is over when no one is running at you, no one is throwing anything at you, and no one is holding a gun while looking at you.

If a prosecutor charges anyone in your town with a crime for defending themselves from Antifa / BLM, vote that prosecutor out of office by an means necessary

Posted by: Greg The Class Traitor at November 12, 2021 12:45 PM (XbP7q)

498 It just makes me wonder . . . how many car windows could one replace for the cost of those stolen groceries?

Posted by: Anotheranon at November 12, 2021 12:58 PM (8Ze5j)

499 Instead of videoing the theft, I would stolen an ice pick from the store, and walked around to all four tiers and punched the sidewalls.

Posted by: Paladin at November 12, 2021 01:10 PM (CE4w9)

500 You shoot the first thief pushing past you, the others will either run or begin shrieking like monkeys and making threatening gestures, thus allowing you to shoot them too.

Posted by: Leprechaun at November 12, 2021 01:26 PM (PTKUy)

501 Just got here, but a couple points.

1. Businesses do not care, since they work within the environment established. They raise prices, hire security consultants who tell them not to do anything, hire diversity consultants who tell them to encourage it, etc. This does not affect bottom line since it affects everyone except the very small retail stores, and online

2. Online stores benefit, but their reach is limited. People still do not buy many things online. They are happy so see high margin goods like makeup being looted since that moves more of the market to them. Amazon backing a soros DA is a business investment.

3. Until the public revolts, the "government" only benefits from more to do, and more money to spend. They expand their reach. To gov., the degenerates on the streets are clients in the same way drunk drivers are clients to the courts and Legal Industry of lawyers they have to hire when they kill someone.

4. Who pays. Why the Kulaks of course. When grain was stolen from the Kulaks, only Kulaks died of starvation. Do you think that looked materially much different than this?
(we are the kulaks.)

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at November 12, 2021 01:30 PM (jcGxj)

502 Move to a small town where the rule of law still exists. This is a land of wolves, and you are not a wolf.

Posted by: Grey Man at November 12, 2021 01:32 PM (fDnyP)

503 Isn't thege also a Commandment about killing ?
Of course for Chrisyians what Jesus taught should be more important than religious law about seafood

Posted by: Kurt at November 12, 2021 02:01 PM (VMv9l)

504 In normal times, a mob breaking into an occupied house, especially at night, would represent a reasonable threat of imminent bodily harm. If nothing else, the disparity of force due to numbers would be a sufficient defense.

If a mob breaks down my door, I'll be at the top of the staircase with several mags and I won't stop until I'm out of ammo.

Assuming I survive they can decide whether to charge me then.

Posted by: WarEagle82 at November 12, 2021 02:38 PM (+Kpte)

505 Today, the school boards. Tomorrow, the corrupt and out-of-touch legal system.

Posted by: FatAlbert at November 12, 2021 02:51 PM (/LM9B)

506 What if other customers ran up to these hoodlums' cars with tire irons, hammers, etc. and started bashing the windows or slashing the tires of their vehicular property? Would these customers be in jeopardy? What if the store owner won't press charges against the customers as it is on their property. Would these hoodlums have any recourse?
Just asking for friends who carry tire irons and hammers in their vehicles.

Posted by: jdubyaAZ at November 12, 2021 03:11 PM (FQ2t6)

507 This issue has worried me for years. Because property crimes, be they theft or vandalism, are slavery. If you deprive me of the fruits of my labor, you have enslaved me, stolen my labor for yourself. We need a constitutional amendment spelling out a right to protect not just life, but property.

Posted by: nmissi@gmail.com at November 12, 2021 04:13 PM (appmN)

508 Posted by: Kurt at November 12, 2021 02:01 PM (VMv9l)

It actually forbids murder, not homicide. But thank you for stopping by and displaying your ignorance on this blog yet again.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at November 12, 2021 04:16 PM (YBdJc)

509 "Thou shalt not steal" assumes the sanctity of property. This has been corrupted by the Marxists to "Thou shalt not steal, but we shalt". Only they call it liberation.

I call it covetousness. Which is also a commandment (or two).

Posted by: GWB at November 12, 2021 04:24 PM (Gcsm/)

510 439 You can't shoot somebody if all he's doing is stealing your stuff.
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This law varies from state to state.
And possibly jurisdictions within states?
******************

If he's in your house and stealing, he is a burglar, and it's a home invasion.

Shoot to kill.

Posted by: Noam Sayen at November 12, 2021 04:53 PM (fPFtn)

511 In CCW class back in the 80's the teacher asked "if you walked into your home and someone was in the process of removing your T.V. can you shoot them?" We came to a decision that you'd tell the L.E.O. that the perp was going to throw the T.V. at you so you shot them. D.R.T.

Posted by: S.Lynn at November 12, 2021 07:09 PM (ICbXt)

512 She was hot playing a middle-aged spinster/sorta loser (when it came to men) in the first real airplane soap/saga, John Wayne's "The High and the Mighty" in 1954. She thought she'd "lost it" when the David Bryan character didn't seem to be turned on by her cleavage and legs LOL! Wonder how Wayne got some of the scenes in that movie by the censors.

Posted by: thegeaorgeman at November 12, 2021 09:10 PM (FqqKZ)

513 "Home invasion by violent criminal(s) who yelled they were going to kill me"

KNOW the police interrogation tactics and how not to speak to them

From a very old man who was SOE in France in 1943-45, and a younger who was in The Troubles. Lots of experience in urban wars. What they did:

KNOW your area and at what range you can do an accurate shot placement. Where can you securely and covertly fire one very accurate shot at them as they approach in daylight? Night? (Modern world - do you have a NV scope for night?) Dropping one will discourage the rest and forced even the Milice to deploy when they DID want to pursue - that's where you E&E - and even Milice LMG fire was no issue.

Modern advice from provo tactics in the Troubles: Bolt action is best and do not cycle to eject the cartridge. Use a common hunting round clocked to the max so the bullet disintegrates as much as possible when hitting the terr. Makes forensics very difficult. Hunting hollowpoint is best. You'll already know how to change the way the rifling marks a bullet. If not, learn.

Obviously, lets hope nothing like the anti-Milice ops or Troubles ever happens!

Posted by: Gyro Cadiz at November 13, 2021 03:00 AM (U1bWR)

514 " How can I protect my home from serious, determined looters?"

Move to Texas.

Posted by: George at November 14, 2021 12:38 PM (URk7x)

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