First, Do No Harm [Muldoon]

I've been reflecting lately on my 35 year career as a physician and how that relates to American medicine in the age of COVID and the United States of America at the end of 2021.

Two different, yet interrelated foundational principles have been central to my thoughts. The first is a core tenet of western medicine, the doctrine of primum non nocere or "first do no harm". The second is "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness".

Although the concept of primum non nocere is linked in most people's minds with the Hippocratic Oath. The words are not likely his, seeing as how they are Latin and he was Greek, but I digress. Primum, while meaning 'first' also has a hierarchical sense, indicating primacy or being of primary importance. It is not so much in the sense of being 'the first thing on your list' as it is 'the most important thing'.

The Online Etymology Dictionary links nocere (harm, injury, damage) to modern words such as 'innocent' (doing no evil; free from sin, guilt, or moral wrong) and 'innocuous' (harmless, producing no ill effect). But intriguingly, the Latin word 'nocere' is also linguistically linked to the Proto-Indo-European root 'nek-' (death), and part of modern words such as pernicious, necrosis, obnoxious and nuisance. In my view, the sense of nocere in "primum non nocere" includes more than just physical harm or injury, but also a broader meaning of not interfering with the individual's personal domain or autonomy.

The Declaration of Independence positively asserts mankind's God-given rights to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. The first two seem relatively straightforward, but what is "the pursuit of happiness"? I have read that Thomas Jefferson wrestled with the wording of that portion, including substituting 'property' for pursuit of happiness. Happiness, in this context has a sense of fulfillment, satisfaction or self-meaning. What are those things that give you as an individual a sense of purpose in your life? You could say it equates b being master of your personal domain.

So, if we juxtapose those two principles, the phrase "primum non nocere" or "first, do no harm", can be restated in the form "As a primary principle, do not impinge on the individual's self in a harmful way". As a practicing physician I always sought to follow that principle, balancing my knowledge of the science as it related to the patient's condition, with the patient's family situation, resources, culture, and overall identity. My job was not to tell them what they needed to do, rather it was to help them navigate the complexities of their condition, demystify the language, explore treatment options (sometimes including the option of not providing any treatment at all, one of the most difficult decisions a family may face) and empower them to make hopefully wise decisions.

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That brings us to today. For the sake of discussion, let's compare the official reactions to ivermectin versus mRNA vaccines. We have seen numerous news reports of physicians being censored, fired, or losing their medical license for daring to prescribe ivermectin for off-label use. Ivermectin has been approved by the FDA for many years and has been prescribed widely in humans for anti-parasitic uses. In general, physicians in regular practice commonly prescribe medications for uses that are off-label, or not specifically delineated in the FDA's approval. This a well known and widely accepted part of medical practice. Ivermectin has a known track record of safety and a well defined mechanism of action at the cellular level. Where is the harm in trying such a medication, with its anecdotal evidence of beneficial effects in COVID, particularly when compared with the known demonstrable harm of myocarditis following mRNA vaccines?

Recently the FDA blithely approved the Pfizer mRNA SARS-2 vaccine for children as young as 5 years old. This vaccination in some settings is being made mandatory for young healthy children. In making this move, the FDA blatantly dismissed with a wave of the hand or entirely ignored VAERS-documented increases in confirmed cases of myocarditis in teens and young adult males (above anticipated baseline levels). Pfizer had two separate trials of its mRNA vaccine involving a total of a little over 4000 children, of which approximately 3000 received two doses of the active vaccine and the rest received placebo. They reported zero cases of myocarditis within 7 days of receiving the vaccine ( approximately 6000 total doses). The VAERS data on myocarditis reported 21.5 cases of myocarditis per 1 million doses of vaccine, which they calculated to be more than 3 times the expected occurrence in the general population of males aged 12-15 (21.5 vs. expected range of 1 to 7 cases). A single case of myocarditis in a sample size of 6000 doses would equal roughly 170 cases per one million doses. For a condition such as myocarditis that is rare in the general population, a sample size of 6000 is insufficient to be confident that 5 to 11-year-olds do not experience myocarditis at rates substantially higher than the general population risk. Yet the FDA and the CDC both tout the vaccine to be safe and are actively recommending widespread vaccination of young children. Why not take a more even handed approach to both ivermectin and the mRNA vaccines? Why are physicians who recommend ivermectin vilified and politicians and bureaucrats who push a new vaccine technology with an as yet uncertain safety profile praised?

In a context of "first, do no harm", a physician acting in good faith ought to be able to prescribe a medication that in their best medical judgment is safe and may have some effectiveness, until such time as it is shown to cause harm. The FDA's own webpage "Why You Should Not Use Ivermectin to Treat or Prevent COVID-19" does not cite any harm from appropriate doses of human forms of ivermectin, rather it focuses on overdosing of the veterinary forms in individuals who self-administer, and scant evidence of any widespread adverse effects even at that.

Secondly, in a framework of the basic rights of Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness", a patient by rights should retain the autonomy to apply their conscience in making their own health care decisions. Yet here we are, in a circumstance where politicians are threatening individuals' liberty and pursuit of happiness on the vague and as yet unproven notion that vaccine mandates, as Surgeon General Vivek Murthy put it, "...our pathway out of the pandemic”. This is a vain hope at best. That "science" most certainly is NOT settled, as natural immunity, cross-immunity and mutation of the virus to more benign forms are all contributors.

Perhaps I'm just a dinosaur, but I believe the precepts of Primum Non Nocere and inalienable rights endowed by our Creator are every bit as valid now as they were when first put forth. I commend those in the medical community who have followed their conscience in advocating for individual rights, at risk to their own livelihood. And I call on the rest of the medical community to wake up and realize where their loyalty ultimately lies. Physicians should actively push back when a third party (employer, government) seeks to inject themselves into the relationship between doctor and patient or to supersede it entirely. They should rededicate themselves to a duty to individual patients rather than a 'greater' public good. Let us rekindle a spirit of "First, Do No Harm".

Posted by: Open Blogger at 12:45 PM

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1 Yep

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at November 22, 2021 12:47 PM (V/4FV)

2 I commend those in the medical community who have followed their conscience in advocating for individual rights, at risk to their own livelihood.

They are the true Frontline Heroes

Posted by: kallisto at November 22, 2021 12:49 PM (DJFLF)

3 Stomp

Posted by: Duke Lowell at November 22, 2021 12:49 PM (kTF2Z)

4 Well, no Family Circus cartoon but...I'll allow it

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, load and make ready at November 22, 2021 12:49 PM (eeRB6)

5 I thought that was when you get to bang every newlywed woman before the husband.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 22, 2021 12:49 PM (UuD2k)

6 Awesome monkey.

Posted by: runner at November 22, 2021 12:49 PM (p6BoR)

7 there's also a maddening lack of consistency as to what constitutes best practices in re: Covide, not only within our US borders, but across the globe.

Some countries have banned the mRNA jab for children.

Posted by: kallisto at November 22, 2021 12:50 PM (DJFLF)

8 Muldoon, great post despite the lack of rhyme

Posted by: vmom - link to Red's fundraiser at November 22, 2021 12:50 PM (tmAZA)

9 Wow, the cobs came out of the gate on fire! Rapid fire!

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at November 22, 2021 12:50 PM (wAnMi)

10 The Plandemic may have been a political op but it would never have been achievable without the assistance of the Scientific and Medical communities.

This is going to have wide range and far lasting consequences that may never be overcome.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 22, 2021 12:51 PM (Sx61i)

11 Follow the money. A whole bunch of people are getting rich from this and they want to keep the spice flowing as long as possible.

Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at November 22, 2021 12:51 PM (bVYXr)

12 >>>Perhaps I'm just a dinosaur, but I believe the precepts of Primum Non Nocere and inalienable rights endowed by our Creator are every bit as valid now as they were when first put forth.

He's a witch!

Posted by: flounder at November 22, 2021 12:52 PM (SH2Zi)

13 I can't pick out the meter of this one, Muldoon.

Posted by: garrett at November 22, 2021 12:52 PM (mata5)

14 Medicine being politicized is bad for both doctors and politicians....hell, it's bad for the world.

And with that shallow thought, off to more work meetings.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, load and make ready at November 22, 2021 12:52 PM (eeRB6)

15 First, there was Harambe
Then came Gorilla (OM)
Then pierced Punk Chimp (CBD)

I like Muldoon's choice.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 22, 2021 12:52 PM (csEWM)

16 Just wait for your doctor's recommendation to lose a few pounds or quit smoking becomes a Government Edict backed by reduction in your medical access.

It is for your own good. Good Citizens will OBEY.

Posted by: rd at November 22, 2021 12:53 PM (Z32m1)

17 13 I can't pick out the meter of this one, Muldoon.
Posted by: garrett at November 22, 2021 12:52 PM (mata5)

Makes sense. It's a straight post.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 22, 2021 12:53 PM (csEWM)

18 Is this related to prima nocta?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, holy crap, John Ford made a lot of movies in the 1930s at November 22, 2021 12:53 PM (3EWns)

19 Hmmm, just had a moment of deja vu with the last post.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 22, 2021 12:54 PM (csEWM)

20 Are we to believe that ALL of the Loggers of Cob are Primates?

Even Weird Dave?

Posted by: garrett at November 22, 2021 12:55 PM (mata5)

21 Excellent post.

Posted by: Jen the original at November 22, 2021 12:55 PM (h4HIN)

22 18 Is this related to prima nocta?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, holy crap, John Ford made a lot of movies in the 1930s at November 22, 2021 12:53 PM (3EWns)

How about a kiss, boy?!

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 22, 2021 12:55 PM (csEWM)

23 It's a bit long for a limerick, but I like it.

Posted by: t-bird at November 22, 2021 12:55 PM (GuVSd)

24 I saw a chart yesterday of Tokyo hospitalizations showing before and after they chose to treat with ivermectin. Straight 45 degree downward line after. It is worth seeking out.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 22, 2021 12:55 PM (r5BVk)

25 Dr. Chimp is a more skilled physician than a GP here in town...I think his name is Dr. Duck.

Posted by: BignJames at November 22, 2021 12:55 PM (AwYPR)

26 I like this Elon Musk guy.

https://bit.ly/3qZX22P

Posted by: bonhomme at November 22, 2021 12:56 PM (sG4Hj)

27 He's a witch!
Posted by: flounder at November 22, 2021 12:52 PM

How do you know he's a witch?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 22, 2021 12:56 PM (m+jkK)

28 Gonna casually use "primun non nocere" now casually in coversation

Posted by: vmom - link to Red's fundraiser at November 22, 2021 12:56 PM (tmAZA)

29 Good comments and raises some excellent questions about medical care. Who has the *right* to make medical decisions? The patient? The physician? Or the government. Clearly, the government believes *they* and they alone have that right.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 22, 2021 12:56 PM (YIVH2)

30 Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 22, 2021 12:55 PM (r5BVk)

similar chart for India

Posted by: kallisto at November 22, 2021 12:57 PM (DJFLF)

31 With regards to Ivermectin and HCQ, Donald Trump didn't just bring them up because he had a flash back to his days in medical school.

No, he more than likely asked his medical advisors what they had to deal with the "Virus" and they said, well, we've been looking at Ivermectin and HCQ as general purpose antivirals, remembering back to their use in previous outbreaks particularly the MERS outbreak.

And then Planners realized this was an error because there could be nothing that could ameliorate the Plandemic because then they could not use it to remake the world.

This was all bullshit from jump street.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 22, 2021 12:57 PM (Sx61i)

32 You're a good man. Excellent poast.

>For a condition such as myocarditis that is rare in the general population, a sample size of 6000 is insufficient to be confident that 5 to 11-year-olds do not experience myocarditis at rates substantially higher than the general population risk. Yet the FDA and the CDC both tout the vaccine to be safe and are actively recommending widespread vaccination of young children.

Pfizer knows very well how to game the trials. They also, once again, unblinded the control arm and gave them the clot shot as well, destroying any chance of studying long-term effects.

SCIENCE™!

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at November 22, 2021 12:57 PM (cSs/W)

33 It seems our physicians here in western WA would like to kill off the older people. Just our observation based on misdiagnosis and poor prescribing we've witnessed over the last few years.

Posted by: Capital Eff believes #RonnaMustGo #McCarthyMustGo #McConnellMustGo at November 22, 2021 12:57 PM (DiVy8)

34 "Even if [Biden's] poll numbers are down, the potential to run against a hyper-flawed candidate like Trump may well keep him in the race. (Carter ran in 1980 despite approval numbers that had dropped to 28 percent in 1979)"
-Rubin

Posted by: squid_hunt at November 22, 2021 12:57 PM (Ectld)

35

Do No Harm.
Do Know Harm.

I coined that phrase many many years ago, under a different neck and it certainly very different circumstances. Some few of you may have seen it on patches for some small groups of persons.

Posted by: My Pimp Shot My Dealer at November 22, 2021 12:57 PM (Q4dv8)

36 That's what I'm not getting about Ivermectin. Ok, anything we know is anecdotal, because frankly, they refuse to find out. But we also know after all this time at worse it does nothing. We cannot say that about the mRNA drug - and whatever the hell else they're sticking in that crap.

So where's the harm? Only harm I see is to the bottom line of the pharmaceutical companies. This is a dream come true for them, and they're not about to let it go. Literally free money and probably cost a fraction of what R&D is for other drugs.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at November 22, 2021 12:57 PM (wAnMi)

37 Let us rekindle a spirit of "First, Do No Harm".

No can do. That hurts Big Pharma's bottom line.

You wouldn't want to put all those sexy, long-legged, breathy-voiced, busty drug reps out of business, would you?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 22, 2021 12:57 PM (2JVJo)

38 The Plandemic may have been a political op but it would never have been achievable without the assistance of the Scientific and Medical communities.

This is going to have wide range and far lasting consequences that may never be overcome.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 22, 2021 12:51 PM (Sx61i)

the question i have is, how are they able to force so many people, from so many places, with so many differing views, to agree to the same general thing? Sure, socialized medicine in a lot of the world, but even a lot of "boutique" doctors around the world seem to be going along. not to mention all the docs in the US.

how are they able to convince so many people that they are going to follow "the plan*tm*" rather than what they know or suspect?

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at November 22, 2021 12:58 PM (8D42x)

39 The Plandemic may have been a political op but it would never have been achievable without the assistance of the Scientific and Medical communities.

This is going to have wide range and far lasting consequences that may never be overcome.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 22, 2021 12:51 PM (Sx61i)

They are the self selected Elite. They know better than you. Just ask them, they will be happy to tell you. Don't ask them, they will still be happy to tell you. Don't obey them, and they will be happy to make you obey them. If you resist, they will make your life miserable. Continue to resist, and they will crush you and all you hold dear.

Posted by: rd at November 22, 2021 12:58 PM (Z32m1)

40 While you're browsing thru etymonline.com, check out 'pharmaceutical'.

Posted by: t-bird at November 22, 2021 12:58 PM (CJihP)

41 "it would never have been achievable without the assistance of the Scientific and Medical communities."

Agreed. Doctors should lose all credibility after this demonstration of malfeasance.

Posted by: squid_hunt at November 22, 2021 12:58 PM (Ectld)

42 This was all bullshit from jump street.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 22, 2021 12:57 PM (Sx61i)

This.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 22, 2021 12:59 PM (csEWM)

43 >The FDA's own webpage "Why You Should Not Use Ivermectin to Treat or Prevent COVID-19" does not cite any harm from appropriate doses of human forms of ivermectin, rather it focuses on overdosing of the veterinary forms in individuals who self-administer, and scant evidence of any widespread adverse effects even at that.

This is in the same vein as those decrying Rittenhouse, saying "he shouldn't have been out there!". Ideally, people shouldn't be taking pony paste, but they've been left no choice since the FDA has threated to wreck any MD who prescribes Ivermectin off-label.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at November 22, 2021 12:59 PM (cSs/W)

44 The Nuremberg Code, formulated after the abuses of "medicine" in and before WWII specifically bans requiring individuals from being forced to take any experimental treatment.

And now the governing class waves it away by claiming that the clot shot aren't experimental, because you see, they don't want them to be.

I hope I live long enough to see a second round of Nuremberg trials.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 22, 2021 12:59 PM (ESjRY)

45 Pfizer knows very well how to game the trials. They also, once again, unblinded the control arm and gave them the clot shot as well, destroying any chance of studying long-term effects.

the company has also decided to keep secret the trial data until 2076

Posted by: kallisto at November 22, 2021 12:59 PM (DJFLF)

46 You wouldn't want to put all those sexy, long-legged, breathy-voiced, busty drug reps out of business, would you?
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 22, 2021 12:57 PM (2JVJo)

*ponders idea of them moving to onlyfans*

Screw 'em!

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 22, 2021 01:00 PM (csEWM)

47 The physician's health summary noted that Biden has experienced "increasing frequency and severity" of throat-clearing and coughing during speaking engagements and also has a "stiffer and less fluid" gait than a year ago.

It added he is receiving treatment for several "stable" medical conditions. They included asymptomatic atrial fibrillation with a normal ventricular response, hyperlipidemia, gastroesophageal reflux, seasonal allergies, and mild sensory peripheral neuropathy of both feet.

For these conditions, the report said, he takes three prescription medications and two over-the-counter medications.

Biden's BMI is listed as 25, putting him on the brink of being overweight. The report noted that he doesn't smoke, drink alcohol and that he works out at least five days per week.

Posted by: SMOD at November 22, 2021 01:00 PM (RHGPo)

48 Continue to resist, and they will crush you and all you hold dear.
Posted by: rd at November 22, 2021 12:58 PM (Z32m1)
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They, too, know what is best in life: "To crush your enemies, to drive them before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women."

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 22, 2021 01:00 PM (YIVH2)

49 Impressive. Each and every patient you have treated in your career should thank you.

Posted by: irongrampa at November 22, 2021 01:00 PM (KATBx)

50
You wouldn't want to put all those sexy, long-legged, breathy-voiced, busty drug reps out of business, would you?
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 22, 2021

***
Each can establish her own Pr0nHub channel!

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 22, 2021 01:01 PM (txdEq)

51 @38

>>how are they able to convince so many people that they are going to follow "the plan*tm*" rather than what they know or suspect?

Mostly money, also it takes a tremendous amount of courage and energy to swim against the tides.

And the left has shown it will do anything and destroy anyone that goes against them.

Imagine being in a position where you will not be able to ever work in your chosen profession again.

That rather daunting and explains a lot.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 22, 2021 01:01 PM (Sx61i)

52
Dr. Monkee and serious discussion of the current state of the medical industry? Or gleeful verbal curbstomping of the fat guys downstairs?

Decisions, decisions...

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 22, 2021 01:01 PM (n+4am)

53 Chomel would be appalled at the ethics of many physicians today. They are more from the First, be Dutiful to your own Fears, or perhaps careers and government.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 22, 2021 01:01 PM (3P+Du)

54 Thank you Muldoon...

***inserts GIF of Charles Foster Kane clapping wildly***

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 22, 2021 01:01 PM (BgMrQ)

55 the question i have is, how are they able to force so many people, from so many places, with so many differing views, to agree to the same general thing?

Follow the money

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at November 22, 2021 01:01 PM (i0ykY)

56 does not cite any harm from appropriate doses of human forms of ivermectin, rather it focuses on overdosing of the veterinary forms in individuals

[CDC]That stuff is dangerous if you do it on your own you might OD!

Ok, how much should I use then?

[CDC]You need to ask a doctor.

[goes to ask Dr] Ok doc what dosage should I use?

[Doc] If I tell you they will take away my medical license.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 22, 2021 01:02 PM (ESjRY)

57 Has anyone ever seen the Canadian series "Corner Gas"? There's an episode entitled "mail fraud" that explains Ace's vacation.

Corner Gas is a slow simple humor show about rural life and people in a small town. It's a nice show.

Posted by: banana Dream at November 22, 2021 01:02 PM (a1pQd)

58 Ultimately the problem is the monetary and federal regulatory pressure. All the stuff that Trump was told he Could Not Do and judges were swift to block when he tried to do. Like "cut off funding for Sanctuary Cities", that kind of thing.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 22, 2021 01:02 PM (KZzsI)

59 Remember the CDC also recommends that women of child bearing age never drink alcohol.

Not, don't drink if your trying to get pregnant. Don't drink ever.

Posted by: Buzzion at November 22, 2021 01:03 PM (G2zl5)

60 Biden's BMI is listed as 25, putting him on the brink of being overweight. The report noted that he doesn't smoke, drink alcohol and that he works out at least five days per week.
Posted by: SMOD at November 22, 2021 01:00 PM (RHGPo)

Never skips Leg Day from what I hear...

/s

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 22, 2021 01:03 PM (BgMrQ)

61 Pursuit of Happiness - Thomas Jefferson

Be a simple man - Ronnie Van Zant

Posted by: Archer at November 22, 2021 01:03 PM (gmo/4)

62 the question i have is, how are they able to force so many people, from so many places, with so many differing views, to agree to the same general thing?

If you ask the lower level people, and they are honest, they differ to the people above them and so on.

It all comes down to just a handful of people who are also aggressively cancelling anyone that won't follow what they say.

It is almost exactly like what happened with "global warming" where when you peeled back the onion there were two dozen people or so in control of the narrative as we found out from the East Anglia info dump.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 22, 2021 01:04 PM (ESjRY)

63 Is this related to prima nocta?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, holy crap, John Ford made a lot of movies in the 1930s at November 22, 2021

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Only for the primus pilus.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 22, 2021 01:04 PM (txdEq)

64 I guess it must be infuriating for Muldoon, and our other horde doctors to see what's going on with the covid medical fascism

Posted by: vmom - link to Red's fundraiser at November 22, 2021 01:04 PM (tmAZA)

65
We lost our rescue boy, Beast, to osteosarcoma this morning. He was about 10 years old.

Beast came to us in terrible physical and mental condition after a life of abuse and neglect. His skin was in such bad condition he couldn't be vaccinated until months later. He was skinny, frightened and almost toothless. We really thought we were going to lose him in the first week

But he pulled through and lived for another year and a half, enjoying, at last, the things every dog deserves: plenty of nourishing food, clean water, a comfortable place to sleep, bones and treats, a warm dinner in the evening, kind words and ear scritches. I don't know if he ever learned to love us, but at least I think he knew that we would not cause him any more suffering.

He passed away quietly, feeling a gentle touch and hearing soothing sounds. I was sad but also angry at those that robbed this poor boy of his life and personality, who left a wreck for us to clean up and try to make good in the epilogue of his time.

Rest well, good fellow, and wait for us. I'm a terrible excuse for a human being but perhaps when the Great Ledger is opened our care for him will be counted in the credit column.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 22, 2021 01:05 PM (/U27+)

66 As I understand it the hypocratic oath has been jetissoned for newer attempts to find a way for doctors to do "assisted suicides" and abortions without violating their medical ethics.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 22, 2021 01:05 PM (KZzsI)

67 Not, don't drink if your trying to get pregnant. Don't drink ever.

Posted by: Buzzion at November 22, 2021 01:03 PM (G2zl5)

What? My sil says that's how she got pregnant...being drunk.

Posted by: BignJames at November 22, 2021 01:05 PM (AwYPR)

68 60 Biden's BMI is listed as 25, putting him on the brink of being overweight. The report noted that he doesn't smoke, drink alcohol and that he works out at least five days per week.
Posted by: SMOD at November 22, 2021 01:00 PM (RHGPo)

Never skips Leg Day from what I hear...

/s
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 22, 2021 01:03 PM (BgMrQ)

To step to reality: he has the build of an old man who is going down hill- how could he be overweight? He needs to try to keep weight on.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 22, 2021 01:05 PM (csEWM)

69 Bless Muldoon and all the healers.

Posted by: gp at November 22, 2021 01:05 PM (qpX6U)

70
Corner Gas is a slow simple humor show about rural life and people in a small town. It's a nice show.
Posted by: banana Dream at November 22, 2021

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It's sort of a rural, Canadian version of Seinfeld. More Seinfeld than Green Acres, anyway.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 22, 2021 01:06 PM (txdEq)

71 "Never skips Leg Day from what I hear...

/s
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 22, 2021 01:03 PM (BgMrQ)"

If he ever attempted a Dead Bug, he would never get up again.

What "workout" could he possibly be doing?

Posted by: Marcus T at November 22, 2021 01:06 PM (3P+Du)

72 First, grab the cash.

Posted by: klaftern at November 22, 2021 01:06 PM (taPSh)

73 I've long felt the concept of first do no harm is violated in the tranny mania. Mutilating children for the sake of an insane ideology clearly violates that principle.

Posted by: Northernlurker at November 22, 2021 01:06 PM (cSyAR)

74 The person who did Biden's colonoscopy announce that his brain was OK.

...

They must be doing colonoscopies differently, these days.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at November 22, 2021 01:06 PM (AlkyK)

75 When the damn breaks on this and they can no longer conseal the injuries and deaths look for the pfizer ceo to be epsteined and maybe fauci.

Posted by: Haywood at November 22, 2021 01:07 PM (YgR3I)

76 Sorry about Beast, Hadrian, and hugs to you for giving him a good life for the last year and a half.

Posted by: Jordan61 at November 22, 2021 01:07 PM (67QiM)

77 All you have to do is look at two things: ventilator use and remdesivir. Both had double blind studies that came out over a year ago, showing that they were ineffective. In fact, using a vent seems to be a death sentence. I have zero faith in the medical profession. I might go in if I need something stitched up, but I wouldn't trust a diagnosis on anything.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at November 22, 2021 01:07 PM (5HBd1)

78 . . . He passed away quietly, feeling a gentle touch and hearing soothing sounds. I was sad but also angry at those that robbed this poor boy of his life and personality, who left a wreck for us to clean up and try to make good in the epilogue of his time.

Rest well, good fellow, and wait for us. I'm a terrible excuse for a human being but perhaps when the Great Ledger is opened our care for him will be counted in the credit column.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 22, 2021

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Condolences, Hadrian.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 22, 2021 01:07 PM (txdEq)

79 Meh. Everyone knows pot cures everything. Ok, well not everything (not recommended for weight loss) but maRijuaNA > mRNA. On the serious side, i started feeling a bit like my immune system was acting up sunday, so i had a big bowl of german salad (white cabbage, onion, and carrot in vinegar) along with some garlic pills, and that took care of things. OTOH, my kitteh told me i smell like a skunk sprayed me in the face....

Posted by: SFGoth at November 22, 2021 01:07 PM (KAi1n)

80 First, grab the cash.

Posted by: klaftern at November 22, 2021 01:06 PM (taPSh)

You'll be hearing from our lawyers.

Posted by: Association of Plastic Surgeons at November 22, 2021 01:08 PM (SH2Zi)

81 Sorry about Beast, Hadrian, and hugs to you for giving him a good life for the last year and a half.
Posted by: Jordan61 at November 22, 2021 01:07 PM (67QiM)

X2.

Thanks for giving a pup some peace in his life.

Posted by: Deep State 910 at November 22, 2021 01:08 PM (zvYHx)

82 Sorry for your loss Hadrian. I'm glad he had a good life at the end.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at November 22, 2021 01:08 PM (5HBd1)

83 If he ever attempted a Dead Bug, he would never get up again.

What "workout" could he possibly be doing?
Posted by: Marcus T at November 22, 2021 01:06 PM (3P+Du)

I tried it once and had to roll around like a turtle to get up.

Posted by: IC - #FJB at November 22, 2021 01:08 PM (hV9ir)

84 Not, don't drink if your trying to get pregnant. Don't drink ever.

IIRC, the science actually said moderate alcohol consumption is fine.

But the medical establishment thought if they gave that message you'd allow women to argue say a Russian/Boston standard of "moderate alcohol consumption".

And then of course the women's groups/mags got onto the act - if you drink you are the worst woman ever! All in the name of something "good" because the science was intentionally publicized to say that any alcohol is bad.

The left tends to drive itself into narrative overdrive like this over almost everything now.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 22, 2021 01:08 PM (ESjRY)

85 A great write up Muldoon and thank you for doing it. I shall share with others.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 22, 2021 01:09 PM (axyOa)

86 What "workout" could he possibly be doing?
Posted by: Marcus T

Whatever it is, I hope I'm doing the opposite. He's very frail.

Posted by: t-bird at November 22, 2021 01:09 PM (cg20d)

87 also, the NIH is about to convene a round table discussion to decide the ethical ramifications of the jab mandate

Posted by: kallisto at November 22, 2021 01:10 PM (DJFLF)

88 You also have to realize the average physician these days doesn't do any research about what they're prescribing. And maybe they never had to, because pharmaceutical companies used to be more conscientious.

The same physicians who blindly started prescribing statins, hormone replacement therapy for post menopausal women, and told everyone to drastically decrease their salt intake and eat plenty of grains will quite naturally go right along with whatever the pharmacy reps and uncle Sam tell them.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at November 22, 2021 01:10 PM (KrMCC)

89 He passed away quietly, feeling a gentle touch and hearing soothing sounds. I was sad but also angry at those that robbed this poor boy of his life and personality, who left a wreck for us to clean up and try to make good in the epilogue of his time.

Rest well, good fellow, and wait for us. I'm a terrible excuse for a human being but perhaps when the Great Ledger is opened our care for him will be counted in the credit column.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 22, 2021 01:05 PM (/U27+)

Oh Hadrian, I am so sorry but what comfort and love he had for the last year and half.

Posted by: IC - #FJB at November 22, 2021 01:10 PM (hV9ir)

90 The entire covid debacle has been a frightening eye opener to me because I've lost a lot of trust I had in the medical community. Or rather, in the bureaucracies that dictate, or at the very least disseminate information for the public. I have gone from a healthy trust in the CDC and FDA to close to zero. I've heard enough anecdotes to understand that even many physicians themselves have seemingly closed their minds to the very basic questions they should be asking on these treatments and giving a particular bit of thought to the underbelly of lies we're being fed. There are certainly many, many red flags, both here and worldwide. Granted, my trust with all federal gov't branches is about as low as it can get, but it's somehow deeply unnerving when own very own health is at stake. It's not the time for politics and lies and that's exactly what we've gotten.

Btw, I love Doctor Monkey! I hope we get a continuing series.

Posted by: Lady in Black at November 22, 2021 01:10 PM (sVtYq)

91 The person who did Biden's colonoscopy announce that his brain was OK.

...

They must be doing colonoscopies differently, these days.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at November 22, 2021 01:06 PM (AlkyK)

IT'S FUNNY, BECAUSE BRANDON HAS SHIT FOR BRAINS.

Posted by: BEN ROETHLISBERGER at November 22, 2021 01:10 PM (SH2Zi)

92 To step to reality: he has the build of an old man who is going down hill- how could he be overweight? He needs to try to keep weight on.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 22, 2021 01:05 PM (csEWM)

More likely is the fact that he has sarcopenia.

He has no muscle mass to speak of, and has never engaged in any weight training exercise since college...if then.

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 22, 2021 01:10 PM (BgMrQ)

93 I've long felt the concept of first do no harm is violated in the tranny mania.

For the similiar cases were a patient believes that they are actually a maimed person in a healthy person's body the medical establishment will pull your license if you give them an "affirming" amputation.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 22, 2021 01:10 PM (ESjRY)

94 84 The left tends to drive itself into narrative overdrive like this over almost everything now.
Posted by: 18-1 at November 22, 2021 01:08 PM (ESjRY)

=========

Imagine if they got a taste of real liberty.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, holy crap, John Ford made a lot of movies in the 1930s at November 22, 2021 01:10 PM (3EWns)

95 #16 will never happen. Smoking and obesity is not *just* a Deplorable thing. (OTOH, i have never seen a black woman smoke a (tobacco) cigarette; i have seen black women at goth clubs.)

Posted by: SFGoth at November 22, 2021 01:10 PM (KAi1n)

96 I am sorry for your loss, Hadrian.

Posted by: flounder at November 22, 2021 01:11 PM (SH2Zi)

97 So where's the harm? Only harm I see is to the bottom line of the pharmaceutical companies. This is a dream come true for them, and they're not about to let it go. Literally free money and probably cost a fraction of what R&D is for other drugs.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at November 22, 2021 12:57 PM

Isn't the 'harm' that, if there are effective, available alternative treatments for SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19, then there is no legal authority to maintain the Emergency Use Authorization (where drug companies face zero liability) for the "vaccines"?

Posted by: Your Government Elite at November 22, 2021 01:11 PM (Do5/p)

98 60 Biden's BMI is listed as 25, putting him on the brink of being overweight. The report noted that he doesn't smoke, drink alcohol and that he works out at least five days per week.
Posted by: SMOD at November 22, 2021 01:00 PM (RHGPo)

That seems high for a frail old man. I wouldn't doubt he has a fairly high body fat percentage despite being relatively slim.

Posted by: Northernlurker at November 22, 2021 01:11 PM (cSyAR)

99 Very sorry to hear about Beast, Hadrian. I thought about him from time to time when you first talked about him here. You gave him the best life a doggie could have.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at November 22, 2021 01:11 PM (AlkyK)

100 Annnd, we're back...

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at November 22, 2021 01:11 PM (Do5/p)

101
Years ago, I posited here - when there was a huge Ebola outbreak in Africa, threatening the USA - that we had an already available medication that could make survival more likely. In Ebola, the end stage of the disease is blood coagulation. There is a readily available drug, thoroughly tested, dosage known, that could stop that blood coagulation.

When I mentioned it in a thread CBD, replied to me, "Interesting."

It's now one of the three methods of treatment for Ebola. They disparage it a bit on the Wiki page, but of course.

Posted by: Traitor Joe's Military Surplus at November 22, 2021 01:11 PM (dQvv7)

102 35 year career as a physician, yet, only 29?

*starts adding and subtracting*

So much for, "no math on the blog."

Harrumph, I say, harrumph!

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at November 22, 2021 01:12 PM (FrSwm)

103 also, the NIH is about to convene a round table discussion to decide the ethical ramifications of the jab mandate

Don't worry Tony, the document is already written and we've printed everyone's rubber stamp.

Posted by: Some NIH flunkie at November 22, 2021 01:12 PM (ESjRY)

104 Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 22, 2021 01:05 PM (/U27+)

Oh, Hadrian, what a sad story.

But you made that doggeh's last year a lovely one and he knew you cared for him. That puts you on the side of the angels.

You are a good man.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 22, 2021 01:12 PM (2JVJo)

105 @77

>>All you have to do is look at two things: ventilator use and remdesivir. Both had double blind studies that came out over a year ago, showing that they were ineffective. In fact, using a vent seems to be a death sentence.

The criminal aspect about the use of vents is that it was solely done to protect hospital staff and Dr's.

They theorized that having sick patients coughing up virus aerosols would put hospital staff at risk, so they vented everyone. They also destroyed patients lungs in the process and hastened deaths.

Alex Berenson has a great write up about this on his substack.

As has been said, a great many people need to be introduced feet first into an industrial wood chipper for what they've done.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 22, 2021 01:12 PM (Sx61i)

106 but perhaps when the Great Ledger is opened our care for him will be counted in the credit column.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at No

I'm so sorry for your loss.

Posted by: CaliGirl at November 22, 2021 01:12 PM (wRauk)

107 Excellent read, Muldoon.

And you resisted the temptation to include a limerick

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 22, 2021 01:12 PM (Hx513)

108 A few more deep breaths- of hair!- and I'll be done with another workout!

Posted by: Joe Biden at November 22, 2021 01:12 PM (ZY9MN)

109 So the story is that Biden's doctor was able to study his brain through his anus?

Posted by: Northernlurker at November 22, 2021 01:13 PM (cSyAR)

110 You wouldn't want to put all those sexy, long-legged, breathy-voiced, busty drug reps out of business, would you?

They can always go back to pole dancing.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com. Not insurgents, counterrevolutionaries. at November 22, 2021 01:13 PM (SchxB)

111 Medicine predominantly follows a second principle now, in addition to (or supplementing) "First, do no harm", and that is: "Follow the narrative, and tell patients only what supports the narrative".

Illustration on point: My wife and I recently had covid, and she wanted an antibody test after recovering. Her Doctor said "no", because the information (she feared) would cause my wife skip a booster shot for the sort-of-vaccine.

Information is bad for you if it doesn't support the state narrative.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 22, 2021 01:13 PM (I8F7d)

112 Oh for the days of Theodoric, Medieval Barber

Posted by: blaster at November 22, 2021 01:13 PM (z2Og4)

113 In fact, using a vent seems to be a death sentence.

The Spartacus paper described the biological mechanism by which this occurs. Something about the application of O2 accelerates the virulence of the bug

Posted by: kallisto at November 22, 2021 01:13 PM (DJFLF)

114 Happiness, in this context has a sense of fulfillment, satisfaction or self-meaning. What are those things that give you as an individual a sense of purpose in your life? You could say it equates b being master of your personal domain.

Jefferson was right to leave this as written. We have Life, we have Liberty. Both are essential for the Pursuit of Happiness. And such Happiness is diferent for every citizen, yet vital for each. Securng Happiness, in whatever form it tkes fr each of us, is what makes America great.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 22, 2021 01:13 PM (axyOa)

115 wow Hadrian, that sucks. prayers for you guys

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at November 22, 2021 01:13 PM (8D42x)

116 I have brothers that still have deformed arms from that Anthrax shot. Yeah, no thanks to experimental medicine.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 22, 2021 01:13 PM (3P+Du)

117 The same physicians who blindly started prescribing statins, hormone replacement therapy for post menopausal women, and told everyone to drastically decrease their salt intake and eat plenty of grains will quite naturally go right along with whatever the pharmacy reps and uncle Sam tell them.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at November 22, 2021 01:10 PM (KrMCC)

I remember we had a health day speech at work about 10-15 years ago. The doctor was up there saying we should get checked out and do something about our cholesterol or obesity. I raised my hand and asked whether Statins damaged the natural ability of the body to balance cholesterol. Confusion and then agreement. Followed up with that meaning once you went on them, you could never get off them. More anger that time.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 22, 2021 01:13 PM (csEWM)

118 Sorry for your loss Hadrian. I'm glad he had a good life at the end.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at November 22, 2021 01:08 PM (5HBd1)

All dogs go to heaven, so you'll be reunited someday.

Posted by: Archer at November 22, 2021 01:13 PM (gmo/4)

119 God bless you real good, Hadrian. Beast is waiting for you, no worries.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at November 22, 2021 01:13 PM (KrMCC)

120 Hiya Muldoon !

Great Post !

Posted by: JT at November 22, 2021 01:13 PM (arJlL)

121 Years ago, I posited here - when there was a huge Ebola outbreak in Africa, threatening the USA

Remember when the nurse who had been exposed to Ebola came back to the US and Obama and the rest of the government told us they had no power to force someone into quarantine?

Posted by: Some NIH flunkie at November 22, 2021 01:13 PM (ESjRY)

122 Needless to say, we both got antibody tests and are skipping the booster.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 22, 2021 01:13 PM (I8F7d)

123 I have been posting on Facebook and Twitter that they put infected people in nursing homes and they want you dead. I've yet to get even a warning about posting that.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at November 22, 2021 01:14 PM (5HBd1)

124 But we also know after all this time at worse it does nothing.
clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at November 22, 2021 12:57 PM (wAnMi)

Excellent point, and "they" make us even more suspicious by demonizing it.

BTW, great post, Muldoon

Posted by: MkY at November 22, 2021 01:14 PM (2fV9Y)

125
how are they able to convince so many people that they are going to follow "the plan*tm*" rather than what they know or suspect?

Well, doctors have had their license to practice threatened for even discussing with individual patients whether or not the vaccine would be right for them...

so...like that?
They've captured the licensing boards are are using them as a cudgel.

Posted by: Gman at November 22, 2021 01:14 PM (GfWuY)

126 Dr. Muldoon is in the house.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 22, 2021 01:14 PM (ET3Lq)

127 The whole demented fixation on telling patients to not eat salt is a good example of the narrative overcoming the science in medicine, and its been going on for decades.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 22, 2021 01:14 PM (KZzsI)

128
Hadrian and Her Majesty,

There is a special place in Heaven for you both. The love, kindness and care you give your dogs is outstanding.

I'm sorry for your loss of Beast.

Posted by: four seasons at November 22, 2021 01:14 PM (PisyI)

129 Condolences, Hadrian.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 22, 2021 01:15 PM (csEWM)

130 I'm going to go ahead and get a flu shot. I don't always get them. But I figure my immune system could use something to do and the flu vaccine is a true vaccine. I hope they get the right strain this year.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at November 22, 2021 01:15 PM (5HBd1)

131 They've captured the licensing boards are are using them as a cudgel.

And when/if we get those Nuremberg trials these are some of the first people that need to be facing them.

"I was following orders" will be claimed, quite a bit, I presume.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 22, 2021 01:15 PM (ESjRY)

132 For a condition such as myocarditis that is rare in the general population, a sample size of 6000 is insufficient to be confident that 5 to 11-year-olds do not experience myocarditis at rates substantially higher than the general population risk.

Horrors.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 22, 2021 01:16 PM (I8F7d)

133 Here's some science to go along with that logical thinking.

https://tinyurl.com/5f8btm96

Circulation - vax causes dramatic increases in inflammation markers for endothelial layer

Lab test being studied to estimate risk of Acute Coronary Syndrome in short term - vax starts showing up in their study and blowing up the results.

Posted by: Bear, now smoking a cigarette at November 22, 2021 01:16 PM (jMmny)

134 >All you have to do is look at two things: ventilator use and remdesivir. Both had double blind studies that came out over a year ago, showing that they were ineffective. In fact, using a vent seems to be a death sentence. I have zero faith in the medical profession. I might go in if I need something stitched up, but I wouldn't trust a diagnosis on anything.
Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at November 22, 2021 01:07 PM (5HBd1)

Remdesivir tends to cause massive renal failure. I'm not sure whether the vent or remdesivir is worse, but they are a near certain fatal one-two punch.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at November 22, 2021 01:16 PM (cSs/W)

135 The more numbers that come out from nations that (1) jabbed and (2) have relatively accessible statistics, the less tinfoil-ish it sounds to suggest that the jabs (and all of the supporting BS like suppressing effective treatments) are a deliberate attempt to knock off part of the population.

Previously I was 100% sure that the main aim was economic destruction and shoehorning in social credit systems, but the numbers are... really bad.

More than one country is nearing 3x as many deaths among the jabbed as the unjabbed, and the vax clearly has negative efficacy both for the first few weeks and then a couple of months after that.

If the trends hold and they keep jabbing people, we're quickly going to see more vax deaths in the US than what they've claimed for the COVID totals, assuming you take those at face value. And with the kids... we are already seeing 7 year olds with strokes and shit.

Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at November 22, 2021 01:16 PM (EI5xb)

136 Gee, I wonder what has changed about the medicine industry in the last 50 years. Hmm, can't put my finger on it... Oh well, on to the next problem.

Posted by: klaftern at November 22, 2021 01:17 PM (taPSh)

137 But I figure my immune system could use something to do and the flu vaccine is a true vaccine. I hope they get the right strain this year.
Posted by: Notsothoreau

Oopsies! Did you say 'flu'?

Posted by: CVS at November 22, 2021 01:18 PM (ZY9MN)

138 And with the kids... we are already seeing 7 year olds with strokes and shit.

I've mentioned this to a couple of older/fatter Branch COVIDIANs and the answer is, I don't care if the shot puts kids lives at risk, *I* am at risk from Covid.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 22, 2021 01:18 PM (ESjRY)

139 It's going to be a very deadly winter.

Posted by: Count de Monet, Unvaccinated Meatbag at November 22, 2021 01:18 PM (4I/2K)

140 So sorry for your loss, Hadrian.

Posted by: redridinghood at November 22, 2021 01:18 PM (NpAcC)

141 109 So the story is that Biden's doctor was able to study his brain through his anus?
Posted by: Northernlurker at November 22, 2021 01:13 PM (cSyAR)
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Well, that's where it is isn't it?

Posted by: Braenyard at November 22, 2021 01:18 PM (ET3Lq)

142 "All you have to do is look at two things: ventilator use and remdesivir. Both had double blind studies that came out over a year ago, showing that they were ineffective. In fact, using a vent seems to be a death sentence.
Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at November 22, 2021 01:07 PM (5HBd1)"

And those responsible for this knew this in advance. It was not a coincidence that the Chinese invested heavily in ECMO machines; they had experience with SARS 1.

A solid fraction of the US (and Italian, while we're at it) deaths were deliberately engineered with bad treatment protocols. It took a couple of months for docs to figure it out and go their own way.

Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at November 22, 2021 01:18 PM (EI5xb)

143 I'm going to go ahead and get a flu shot. I don't always get them. But I figure my immune system could use something to do and the flu vaccine is a true vaccine. I hope they get the right strain this year.

Have them triple check the vial. Been several instances of people "mistakenly" given the clot shot when in for a flu shot.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com. Not insurgents, counterrevolutionaries. at November 22, 2021 01:18 PM (SchxB)

144 I went to the doctor and all he had to offer was half of his banana and he tried to goose my privates.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at November 22, 2021 01:19 PM (BPuaD)

145 I have had two really great doctors at the VA. One was great in all aspects with the exception she was on the Coumadin and niacin bandwagon. Weaned myself, substituted naturals and common sense, and she was happy about the results. The other one I had was happy with my judgement and results, and asked if I knew anybody with a Model 41 Winchester for sale . He retired.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at November 22, 2021 01:19 PM (C1Lsn)

146 They must be doing colonoscopies differently, these days.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at November 22, 2021 01:06 PM (AlkyK)

Rocco Melonchek: We'll have to perform a full rectum-ology.

Roland T. Flakfizer: Fondue, an epidemic! drop those pants... Not you, the patient.

Doctor: I thought you were cardiologists...

Rocco Melonchek: Uh, well, they're all connected, we enter the rectum and head north.

Roland T. Flakfizer: Why do you think we have such long instruments?

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 22, 2021 01:19 PM (n+4am)

147 113 In fact, using a vent seems to be a death sentence.

The Spartacus paper described the biological mechanism by which this occurs. Something about the application of O2 accelerates the virulence of the bug
Posted by: kallisto at November

They did this to my cousin. He was a teaching case I believe. He was Dx with covid 3-2020. His O2 Sat was low and they put him on a vent immediately. All of his organs shut down, he will never be the same. He was a healthy 40, fit.

Posted by: CaliGirl at November 22, 2021 01:19 PM (wRauk)

148 139 It's going to be a very deadly winter.
Posted by: Count de Monet, Unvaccinated Meatbag at November 22, 2021 01:18 PM (4I/2K)
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Especially in Chicago.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 22, 2021 01:19 PM (ET3Lq)

149 The German medical community was thoroughly Nazified early in the regime, likely because it had been a state-run system since the 1880s, one of Bismarck's great achievements.

Of course joo doctors were thrown out of the state system almost immediately and joo patients later.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 22, 2021 01:19 PM (EZebt)

150 LONG-FINGERED PROCTOLOGIST SHIT MY PANTS!

Posted by: Joe Biden at November 22, 2021 01:19 PM (FJcMW)

151 Pfizer knows very well how to game the trials. They also, once again, unblinded the control arm and gave them the clot shot as well, destroying any chance of studying long-term effects.

SCIENCE!
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at November 22, 2021 12:57 PM (cSs/W)

If the FDA has it's way, we won't know the truth until our country's tricentennial. Why did they choose 55 years, by the way, instead of just 50?

Posted by: Darrell Harris at November 22, 2021 01:19 PM (R037X)

152 Like the unvaxxed

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 22, 2021 01:20 PM (EZebt)

153 Excellent essay. I am not in the medical field but I think a large part of the problem is the move to HMOs and medicare/medicaid and now ACA policies. There is always some level of "He who pays the piper calls the tune." The more government moves into indirectly paying the piper the more erosion of doctor and patient making the call on if/when/how to treat the patient's condition.

Posted by: PaleRider at November 22, 2021 01:20 PM (3cGpq)

154 "I've mentioned this to a couple of older/fatter Branch COVIDIANs and the answer is, I don't care if the shot puts kids lives at risk, *I* am at risk from Covid.
Posted by: 18-1 at November 22, 2021 01:18 PM (ESjRY) "

Those old/fat ones are going to buy the farm really quickly when they lose access to first world medical care and food retail during the war that is coming.

Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at November 22, 2021 01:20 PM (EI5xb)

155 Rest well, good fellow, and wait for us. I'm a terrible excuse for a human being but perhaps when the Great Ledger is opened our care for him will be counted in the credit column.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 22, 2021 01:05 PM (/U27+)

Hadrian - condolences on the loss of your companion. I would disagree with your self judgement - if you were terrible then 1) you wouldn't be rescuing dogs, 2) your companion wouldn't have had spent his best years with you.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at November 22, 2021 01:20 PM (N39Ws)

156 Well, no Family Circus cartoon but...I'll allow it
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
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I can fix that, kinda. Yesterdays 'Shoe' cartoon, and pretty much the way I am feeling:
https://tinyurl.com/4z9a3uu8

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 22, 2021 01:20 PM (WD9ZA)

157 I'm going to go ahead and get a flu shot. I don't always get them. But I figure my immune system could use something to do and the flu vaccine is a true vaccine. I hope they get the right strain this year.
Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at November 22, 2021 01:15 PM (5HBd1)
*********
For some reason every time I get the flu shot, I always get the flu.

Posted by: redridinghood at November 22, 2021 01:20 PM (NpAcC)

158 One other thing to consider, killing a 5 year old with the clot shot, to nominally save an 85 year old obese individual would traditionally be considered obscene.

Women and children first! Well, that was the cry of a better society then we have now.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 22, 2021 01:20 PM (ESjRY)

159 >>All you have to do is look at two things: ventilator use and remdesivir. Both had double blind studies that came out over a year ago, showing that they were ineffective. In fact, using a vent seems to be a death sentence.

The criminal aspect about the use of vents is that it was solely done to protect hospital staff and Dr's.

They theorized that having sick patients coughing up virus aerosols would put hospital staff at risk, so they vented everyone. They also destroyed patients lungs in the process and hastened deaths.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 22, 2021 01:12 PM

Hospitals were also paid with taxpayer money through the CARES Act for every patient put on a ventilator and for every treatment with Remdesivir.

Government's Bounty on Your Life: Hospitals' Incentive Payments for COVID-19 is About $100K per COVID Patient

https://bit.ly/3oEyARG

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at November 22, 2021 01:21 PM (Do5/p)

160 >The criminal aspect about the use of vents is that it was solely done to protect hospital staff and Dr's.

They theorized that having sick patients coughing up virus aerosols would put hospital staff at risk, so they vented everyone. They also destroyed patients lungs in the process and hastened deaths.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 22, 2021 01:12 PM (Sx61i)

The "remdesivir and ventilator only" protocol was approved by the Trump administration under the PREP Act. As long as hospitals comply with the protocols laid out by Daddy Fed Gov, the hospitals are given blanket immunity. Add to that the ~$35k for each "covid" death, then well...you've got a lot of perverse incentives in play.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at November 22, 2021 01:21 PM (cSs/W)

161 Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 22, 2021 01:05 PM

So sorry about the doggeh, Hadrian.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 22, 2021 01:21 PM (m+jkK)

162 I intend to tell Walgreens that I will sue the bloody hell out of them if they give me the jab. You usually have to sign paperwork just to get a flu shot.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at November 22, 2021 01:21 PM (5HBd1)

163 Thanks Muldoon. Great post

Posted by: scampydog at November 22, 2021 01:22 PM (2bFN5)

164 Excellent read, Muldoon.

And you resisted the temptation to include a limerick.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 22, 2021 01:12 PM (Hx513)
***

The Doc put his pen down to paper,
Employng his wit like a rapier,
His prescription to the fellows
Eat all the hospital jellos,
Not the mystery meat with the capers.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 22, 2021 01:22 PM (axyOa)

165 we are already seeing 7 year olds with strokes and shit.

Do we have stats of that, or evidence somewhere I can use on some folks?

I've heard some anecdotal stuff, but it's got to be tracked somewhere that I'm not seeing.

Posted by: Gman at November 22, 2021 01:22 PM (GfWuY)

166 I have a friend who teaches middle school. They've had no less then 8 students with COVID. None of the students had any commorbidities. They said you could barely and often not, tell they were sick. They knew this because the kids were required to get video instruction.

This whole vaccinate the kids thing is borne out of ignorance and fear.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 22, 2021 01:22 PM (3P+Du)

167 To step to reality: he has the build of an old man who is going down hill- how could he be overweight? He needs to try to keep weight on.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 22, 2021 01:05 PM (csEWM)

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This. A bad bout of flu, pneumonia, or COVID can easily drop you 10-20 pounds and more.

OBESE is an entirely different condition. Morbidly Obese? It says "You are going to DIE!" right in the description.

Posted by: rd at November 22, 2021 01:22 PM (Z32m1)

168 You got it exactly right, Muldoon.

Posted by: KT at November 22, 2021 01:23 PM (0ghg2)

169 I hope I live long enough to see a second round of Nuremberg trials.
Posted by: 18-1 at November 22, 2021 12:59 PM (ESjRY)
===
I am already preserving documents and evidence.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 22, 2021 01:23 PM (EZebt)

170 Rest well, good fellow, and wait for us. I'm a terrible excuse for a human being but perhaps when the Great Ledger is opened our care for him will be counted in the credit column.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 22, 2021

***
My recently-passed big black Wolf cat was luckily never abused before he came to me, just not appreciated, I think. He took to being my feline friend, and that of Chekov D. Siberian, as if he'd been born for it.

On the other hand, a couple of years ago I encountered a rather thin and bedraggled looking black cat, not feral, at my apartment complex. He looked as if he had the flu. I took him to the local SPCA. They asked me what to name him, and I, knowing "Skinny Puss" wouldn't help him get adopted, chose "Paladin." They gave him about 5 weeks of a comfortable life and medical care, though they couldn't keep him alive (he was feline AIDS positive and had other issues). Sometimes you do what you can, and it's too late or not enough. But you have to try.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 22, 2021 01:23 PM (txdEq)

171 >I've mentioned this to a couple of older/fatter Branch COVIDIANs and the answer is, I don't care if the shot puts kids lives at risk, *I* am at risk from Covid.
Posted by: 18-1 at November 22, 2021 01:18 PM (ESjRY)

I'm beginning to understand how shit like Aztec human sacrifice was internally justified.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at November 22, 2021 01:24 PM (cSs/W)

172 One other thing to consider, killing a 5 year old with the clot shot, to nominally save an 85 year old obese individual would traditionally be considered obscene.

Women and children first! Well, that was the cry of a better society then we have now.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 22, 2021 01:20 PM

How about for 4 decades we have been killing children in the womb so that young women can "live their best lives". This country has never (in my lifetime) prioritized anything "for the children". They are either to be discarded in the trash through abortion as they are inconvenient... or, if they survive that, they are to be brainwashed and indoctrinated in the schools.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at November 22, 2021 01:24 PM (Do5/p)

173 Sorry for the loss, Hadrian. You did well by though.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at November 22, 2021 01:24 PM (FrSwm)

174 ...The more government moves into indirectly paying the piper the more erosion of doctor and patient making the call on if/when/how to treat the patient's condition.

Posted by: PaleRider at November 22, 2021 01:20 PM (3cGpq)
------------------

the nutshell

Posted by: Braenyard at November 22, 2021 01:24 PM (ET3Lq)

175 Rocco Melonchek: Uh, well, they're all connected, we enter the rectum and head north.

Roland T. Flakfizer: Why do you think we have such long instruments?
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 22, 2021 01:19 PM

Washout: It's a multioptipupilotomy, but to avoid damaging the eye sockets they have to go in through the rectum. Ain't no man takin' that route with me.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 22, 2021 01:24 PM (m+jkK)

176 Condolences Hadrian

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 22, 2021 01:24 PM (EZebt)

177 I mentioned I saw The Green Knight recently - and the gist of the movie is that it is a meditation on how death is inevitable and there is nothing else.

And I think a big part of what we are seeing with COVID mania is that a lot of our population actually believes that.

Christians believe that there is something beyond death AND that you will be judged for the life you lived.

If, as an atheist, this life is all there is, why not do everything to extend it even if it comes at a real cost to others?

Posted by: 18-1 at November 22, 2021 01:24 PM (ESjRY)

178
Remember when the nurse who had been exposed to Ebola came back to the US and Obama and the rest of the government told us they had no power to force someone into quarantine?

Posted by: Some NIH flunkie at November 22, 2021 01:13 PM

I remember. She got pissed off that everyone referred to her as 'the Ebola nurse'. She still was sighted breaking her self imposed quarantine and walking around her community.

The scary thing is Ebola and Covid have nearly the same R value (reproduction) a little over 1. Perhaps Ebola is a tad lower. Definitely nothing we want to deal with here.

Posted by: Traitor Joe's Military Surplus at November 22, 2021 01:25 PM (dQvv7)

179 I've mentioned this to a couple of older/fatter Branch COVIDIANs and the answer is, I don't care if the shot puts kids lives at risk, *I* am at risk from Covid.
Posted by: 18-1 at November 22, 2021 01:18 PM (ESjRY)

See, this is one I cannot grasp. I always try to figure out the mental gymnastics of people (it's fun and helps to try to get to why they are thinking the way they do.)

I just cannot get this single minded obsession. You are at threat from a lot of things either inside your house or walking around- this is no more or less deadly than any of a multitude of other things.

To not only have concern to this level, but be willing to throw kids over the side of the Titanic in order to not remedy a direct threat, but the possibility of a penumbra of a possibility. Dear Lord, we are fucked up.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 22, 2021 01:25 PM (csEWM)

180 A short medical story:

So daughter goes to walk in clinic for second round of strep treatment. They give her another antibiotic and she asked for a shot instead of pills that kill her guts.

The nurse and PA laugh, we cannot get the syringes, needles, etc through our ordering system.

So she gets sicker until I call a concierge house call doc. They show up, give a 2 shots, anti and steroid. She is already up and out of bed.

I do not understand this new style of medicine to do nothing until someone ends up in the hospital.

BTW, this clinic is part of Houston Med Center.

Posted by: rhennigantx at November 22, 2021 01:25 PM (yrol0)

181 This whole vaccinate the kids thing is borne out of ignorance and fear.
==
And greed. Don't forget the greed.

Pharma cashes in. Obv.

Did you know that one of the main revenue drivers in pediatric practice is vaccinations? So now they get to give EVERY KID a yearly or my twice yearly vaccination!!!!!

Yeah. Its a big increase in revenue for them. The nurse's give the shots also, so its not even more work for the doctors. Don't expect the american academy of pediatrics to say a word.

Posted by: Bear, now smoking a cigarette at November 22, 2021 01:25 PM (Fex4r)

182 have a friend who teaches middle school. They've had no less then 8 students with COVID. None of the students had any commorbidities. They said you could barely and often not, tell they were sick. They knew this because the kids were required to get video instruction.

My 5 year old threw a 103.5 fever on saturday. Gave him a coof test, and it came back positive (that was a home one). I'm feeling kinda crappy, so we took a pcr test (still no results). My 7 year old is fine, seems no symptoms at all, and my wife hasn't gotten sick with anything yet.

Back to the 5 year old. Gave him a dose of tylenol, fever went down and never came back. Now he's got a stuffy nose and that's it.

Keeping him home from school this week, just to be on the safe side, but yeah, it's not much for a kid, other than the sudden spike in fever he had.

Posted by: Gman at November 22, 2021 01:25 PM (GfWuY)

183 For those who have not grokked the big picture yet; we are being fixed in place - economically, legislatively, socially, and militarily (to the extent we can consider many domestic LE agencies to be effectively militarized) - with a biowarfare attack while they line up barbarians - imported and domestic - to finish us off.

bake the cake, bigot
wax the balls, bigot
suck the dick, bigot
surrender to the panopticon, bigot
eat the bugs, bigot
live in the pod, bigot
dig the trench, bigot

Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at November 22, 2021 01:25 PM (EI5xb)

184 In general, physicians in regular practice commonly prescribe medications for uses that are off-label, or not specifically delineated in the FDA's approval."

The only Rx that helped with my wife's severe auto-immune issues was a treatment that was tried off use. Before it, she was using a walker, when she could walk at all. Now, ambulatory with only a few balance and walking issues.

Naturally, after a year, insurance decided it would no longer be covered because - off use.

Guess who is starting to decline again?

Posted by: Tonypete at November 22, 2021 01:25 PM (jZSOU)

185 Perhaps I'm just a dinosaur ...

------

Velocipunster?

Posted by: ShainS -- Let's Poop Brandon! (Non Compos Anus) at November 22, 2021 01:26 PM (u82gr)

186 Jeez, I just had to scramble for the remote. Retardo is lecturing. Went from Fox to Ancient Aliens. From one to another.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at November 22, 2021 01:26 PM (C1Lsn)

187 "This whole vaccinate the kids thing is borne out of ignorance and fear."

Malice. They have a fairly good idea what this is going to do to them, and I guaranfuckingtee you that the elites' kids aren't getting jabbed.

Nor are the foreign invaders.

Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at November 22, 2021 01:27 PM (EI5xb)

188 Biden is on my TV spouting lies and nonsense.

To tell you the truth, I'd forgotten he even existed until a couple of seconds ago.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 22, 2021 01:27 PM (Sx61i)

189 "I do not understand this new style of medicine to do nothing until someone ends up in the hospital."

The more tests and labs they do, the more they can pad your bill. The more visits to the doctor to get something treated, the more copays.

Posted by: squid_hunt at November 22, 2021 01:27 PM (Ectld)

190 Marcus T , this whole vaccinate kids thing is about Fauci's control mania.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 22, 2021 01:28 PM (ET3Lq)

191 So instead of Primus Noctus for the First post on the ONT, we should be using Primum Noctus.

Good to know.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at November 22, 2021 01:28 PM (a3Q+t)

192 I have a friend who teaches middle school. They've had no less then 8 students with COVID. None of the students had any commorbidities. They said you could barely and often not, tell they were sick. They knew this because the kids were required to get video instruction.

This whole vaccinate the kids thing is borne out of ignorance and fear.
Posted by: Marcus T at November 22, 2021 01:22 PM (3P+Du)

This whole Chinese Coronavirus thing shows how FEAR! works. People will give up their freedom and liberties. Worse, the will give up YOUR Freedom and Liberties! And say you are the Evil Autoritarian Nazi if you complain about their stealing your civil rights.

Posted by: rd at November 22, 2021 01:28 PM (Z32m1)

193 I'm sorry but "first do no harem" doesn't sound like much fun.

Posted by: wth at November 22, 2021 01:28 PM (v0R5T)

194
173 Sorry for the loss, Hadrian. You did well by though.
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at November 22, 2021 01:24 PM (FrSwm)

^^^This^^^

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 22, 2021 01:28 PM (BgMrQ)

195 This country has never (in my lifetime) prioritized anything "for the children".

sad but true

Posted by: kallisto at November 22, 2021 01:28 PM (DJFLF)

196 I just cannot get this single minded obsession. You are at threat from a lot of things either inside your house or walking around- this is no more or less deadly than any of a multitude of other things.

I've also asked Branch COVIDs if they realize that in a normal year the "seasonal flu" kills 30-80K people, and of course we did nothing about that.

They get confused though, wanting to say we should have done all the things we are doing now, but realizing it will make them sound like an idiot.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 22, 2021 01:29 PM (ESjRY)

197 "They've captured the licensing boards are are using them as a cudgel."

Right ... and in other sciences, we say "Global Warming Religion" demand adherence to their chants, or academics don't get published, grants are denied, people are fired, and then publicly shamed or sued, if they are having too much influence.

McCarthyism was an early success (for the commies) story for this model. Finding all too real communist infiltration became a dirty word "McCarthyism". That carried on as anyone with a "Bircher" mentality was exiled from National Review. (maybe Birchers were wrong on some things, idk, but they maintained their awareness of commie infiltration).

Posted by: illiniwek at November 22, 2021 01:29 PM (Cus5s)

198 Fauci is not only a control freak but most probably a sex freak too

Posted by: Braenyard at November 22, 2021 01:29 PM (ET3Lq)

199 This whole Chinese Coronavirus thing shows how FEAR! works. People will give up their freedom and liberties. Worse, the will give up YOUR Freedom and Liberties! And say you are the Evil Autoritarian Nazi if you complain about their stealing your civil rights.
Posted by: rd at November 22, 2021 01:28 PM (Z32m1)

This is an excellent summary.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 22, 2021 01:29 PM (csEWM)

200 "we are being fixed in place - economically, legislatively, socially, and militarily with a biowarfare attack while they line up barbarians - imported and domestic - to finish us off."

Yeah, I definitely think this is a direct attack on white/western nations to eliminate the problem children for those who want to rule everything. Europe, Australia, U.S.

Posted by: squid_hunt at November 22, 2021 01:29 PM (Ectld)

201 "193 I'm sorry but "first do no harem" doesn't sound like much fun.
Posted by: wth at November 22, 2021 01:28 PM (v0R5T)"

I think it's supposed to be first do know harem

Wife keeps promising me I'm allowed to keep one when I become a warlord.

Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at November 22, 2021 01:29 PM (EI5xb)

202 That sucks Tony. Any possibility of doing the Canada mail order?

Posted by: PaleRider at November 22, 2021 01:29 PM (3cGpq)

203 This whole vaccinate the kids thing is borne out of ignorance and fear.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 22, 2021 01:22 PM (3P+Du)

You left off greed.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at November 22, 2021 01:29 PM (N39Ws)

204 Biden is on my TV spouting lies and nonsense.

To tell you the truth, I'd forgotten he even existed until a couple of seconds ago.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 22, 2021 01:27 PM (Sx61i)
........

Is he talking about Beau or his colonoscopy?

Posted by: wth at November 22, 2021 01:29 PM (v0R5T)

205 Biden is on my TV spouting lies and nonsense.

To tell you the truth, I'd forgotten he even existed until a couple of seconds ago.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 22, 2021 01:27 PM (Sx61i)
***

Let me guess...verdict bad...driver bad...I'm running for re-elect...errr...chocolate chip ice cream rocks!!!

Posted by: Diogenes at November 22, 2021 01:29 PM (axyOa)

206 update:
Dr. Michael Meyer of the Childrens Hospital of Wisconsin says of the 18 injured children his facility is treating, 10 are in its intensive care unit.

Of those 10, six are in critical condition, three are in serious condition and one is in fair condition.

Posted by: rhennigantx at November 22, 2021 01:29 PM (yrol0)

207
* gives Muldoon a Golf Flap *

Posted by: Thalidomide Child at November 22, 2021 01:29 PM (dQvv7)

208 "Is he talking about Beau or his colonoscopy?"

My butt's been wiped! *checks*

Posted by: squid_hunt at November 22, 2021 01:30 PM (Ectld)

209 Fauci is not only a control freak but most probably a sex freak too
Posted by: Braenyard

Look Pal, that sheep said she was eighteen!

Posted by: Tonypete at November 22, 2021 01:30 PM (jZSOU)

210 "They get confused though, wanting to say we should have done all the things we are doing now, but realizing it will make them sound like an idiot.
Posted by: 18-1 at November 22, 2021 01:29 PM (ESjRY)"

Ironically, these are the same fucktards that previously wouldn't stay home from work when they're sick, wash their hands after they shit, etc, who spread around the regular cold and flu so much.

Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at November 22, 2021 01:30 PM (EI5xb)

211 @204

>>Is he talking about Beau or his colonoscopy?

Worse, he's talking about "Climate Change" and how it's cost the American Taxpayers 600 billion dollars.

This Junta needs to go!!!

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 22, 2021 01:31 PM (Sx61i)

212 66 As I understand it the hypocratic oath has been jetissoned for newer attempts to find a way for doctors to do "assisted suicides" and abortions without violating their medical ethics.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 22, 2021 01:05 PM (KZzsI)

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I was going to mention this, Christopher.

IIRC, one of our moron M.D.s a few years ago enlightened me/others here about this relatively unknown orthodoxy now promulgated in medical schools and associations.

Posted by: ShainS -- Let's Poop Brandon! (Non Compos Anus) at November 22, 2021 01:31 PM (u82gr)

213 Perhaps I'm just a dinosaur ...

------

Velocipunster?

Posted by: ShainS -- Let's Poop Brandon! (Non Compos Anus) at November 22, 2021 01:26 PM (u82gr)

Limerickasaurus.

Posted by: flounder at November 22, 2021 01:31 PM (SH2Zi)

214 Fauci is not only a control freak but most probably a sex freak too
Posted by: Braenyard at November 22, 2021 01:29 PM (ET3Lq)
........

I caught the little gnome raping a gopher in my garden.

Posted by: wth at November 22, 2021 01:31 PM (v0R5T)

215 Remember when the nurse who had been exposed to Ebola came back to the US and Obama and the rest of the government told us they had no power to force someone into quarantine?

Posted by: Some NIH flunkie at November 22, 2021 01:13 PM (ESjRY)
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Remember when I'm forced to take 2 hours of annual training on health privacy but have to disclose my vaccine status to a dumb hipster to drink coffee?

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 22, 2021 01:31 PM (EZebt)

216 One of my co-workers got the COOF. The family is two thin 30 somethings with no major issues that I am aware of and two kids.

The adults both experienced about the same as a normal flu and were back (working remote) within a week.

The kids got fevers, but otherwise were completely normal.

And this is the norm...and yet we've got Branch COVIDIANs that believe basically everyone that gets the COOF will die.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 22, 2021 01:31 PM (ESjRY)

217 one of the Brave Doctors - Aaron Kheriaty MD, takes on a Branch Covidian who is trying to Narrative-shame him on the tw@tter.

tl;dr version: Doc point blank asks the Covidian: Where were YOU when I was treating SARS COV2 patients for six months and developing a triage plan for U Cal?

https://tinyurl.com/5evpmv7x

Posted by: kallisto at November 22, 2021 01:31 PM (DJFLF)

218 illiniwek at November 22, 2021 01:29 PM (Cus5s),

Well said.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 22, 2021 01:31 PM (ET3Lq)

219 Any possibility of doing the Canada mail order?
Posted by: PaleRider

We are looking into it but so far, no joy. Thanks though!

Posted by: Tonypete at November 22, 2021 01:31 PM (jZSOU)

220 maybe Birchers were wrong on some things, idk, but they maintained their awareness of commie infiltration

They got that part right, but went way overboard on it. McCarthyism was valid in its concerns but all wrong in its application.

But you are exactly right that they learned their lessons well and are applying them today against their enemies.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 22, 2021 01:31 PM (KZzsI)

221 "Worse, he's talking about Climate Change and how it's cost the American Taxpayers 600 billion dollars."

So he's changing the subject.

Posted by: squid_hunt at November 22, 2021 01:32 PM (Ectld)

222 I think it's supposed to be first do know harem

Wife keeps promising me I'm allowed to keep one when I become a warlord.
Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at November 22, 2021

***
Warlording be hard, yo

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 22, 2021 01:32 PM (txdEq)

223 Dr. Michael Meyer of the Childrens Hospital of Wisconsin says of the 18 injured children his facility is treating, 10 are in its intensive care unit.

Of those 10, six are in critical condition, three are in serious condition and one is in fair condition.
Posted by: rhennigantx at November 22, 2021 01:29 PM (yrol0)

The blue checkmarks who are claiming this is "karma" need to be in ICU instead. It's almost as if that's what they're pushing for. These people are pure, unadulterated evil.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at November 22, 2021 01:33 PM (wAnMi)

224 Tim Pool reporting on last night's attack at Walnut Creek mall.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 22, 2021 01:33 PM (EZebt)

225 Dr. Michael Meyer of the Childrens Hospital of Wisconsin says of the 18 injured children his facility is treating, 10 are in its intensive care unit.

And the media is running with "He was fleeing another crime. Didn't do it on purpose "... That's if the media mentions it at all

Posted by: It's me donna at November 22, 2021 01:33 PM (87qwM)

226 Aetius, it's way worse than that. They can severely damage the liver, and are a contributing factor to dement. Cholesterol is a vital component for keeping your brain healthy, it literally hardens up and dries out without it.

There are undoubtedly some people who's cholesterol is so high as to be dangerous, but I think it's a minute percentage. I think cholesterol naturally up as we age, maybe because we need e training, who knows?

But I worked with a doctor in the early 90s who told me she wouldn't prescribe statins for a rat, let alone a human. And one of the other doctors I worked with refused to prescribe a hot new drug being pushed to gastroenterologists called Prilosec. He said there were multiple studies showing it seemed to be strongly associated with pancreatic cancer. It was taken off the market a few years later, and reformulated.

Both of them were fairly new physicians and both very interested in research. I think most doctors are naive and still trust the pharmaceutical companies. I don't when it comes to anything new.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at November 22, 2021 01:33 PM (KrMCC)

227 Doctors have too much power.

I know....have doctors control all food intake.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at November 22, 2021 01:33 PM (tPUfk)

228 201 "193 I'm sorry but "first do no harem" doesn't sound like much fun.
Posted by: wth at November 22, 2021 01:28 PM (v0R5T)"

I think it's supposed to be first do know harem

Wife keeps promising me I'm allowed to keep one when I become a warlord.
Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at November 22, 2021 01:29 PM (EI5xb)
***

Mrs D said the same thing about me buying a sports car vs getting a harem. Both will take me to the cleaners but only one will get me a ride home.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 22, 2021 01:33 PM (axyOa)

229 "Yeah, I definitely think this is a direct attack on white/western nations to eliminate the problem children for those who want to rule everything. Europe, Australia, U.S.
Posted by: squid_hunt at November 22, 2021 01:29 PM (Ectld)"

You know you're in a bad spot when the China/Russia/Iran axis has aspects that look better than your own rulers.

We are spectators in all of this until/unless we wrest control of our country back. I have said it before, and I will say it again now: You either need a plan to go to ground/resist, get the fuck out of North America, or hope you don't live long enough to see what is coming.

And that last one only really works if you don't have descendants.

Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at November 22, 2021 01:33 PM (EI5xb)

230 The vax mandate makes zero sense.

Since I am vaccinated, I should be protected (even though I wasn't!) from covid, and so it shouldn't matter, to me, what someone else's vaccine status is.

As a society we may want to stamp out covid, and therefore we may encourage people to get vaccinated, but my own health depends on what I DO, and not on what YOU DO.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 22, 2021 01:33 PM (I8F7d)

231 Really nice writing Mul!

Posted by: rhennigantx at November 22, 2021 01:33 PM (yrol0)

232 The older people who are so afraid of dying that they would gladly sacrifice children baffle me.
When my wife died one of my first thoughts was that I would gladly have sacrificed my life for her.
That would apply to children as well.
That just seems normal to me. And, yes, I am confident in my eternal destiny, which is different.

Posted by: Northernlurker at November 22, 2021 01:33 PM (cSyAR)

233 Way down the page
Well done Muldoon

Posted by: Skip's Phone at November 22, 2021 01:33 PM (AJEol)

234 Fauci is not only a control freak but most probably a sex freak too

Posted by: Braenyard

-------

"Hey, somebody had to do the anal probing in those San Francisco and Epstein Island bathhouses for the team ..."

Posted by: ShainS -- Let's Poop Brandon! (Non Compos Anus) at November 22, 2021 01:34 PM (u82gr)

235 Hadrian, you are such a tender-hearted man.

Beast was blessed to know such caring, even for a short time. Thank you for sharing his passing and know that you eased his passage immensely, because he wasn't alone.

Posted by: old chick at November 22, 2021 01:34 PM (sOete)

236 Wife keeps promising me I'm allowed to keep one when I become a warlord.

The good part of being the warlord's wife: You get a lot of booty.

The bad part of being the warlord's wife: Your husband gets a lot of booty.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 22, 2021 01:34 PM (ESjRY)

237 27 years as an RN, I agree wholeheartedly with Muldoon's post.

Posted by: MammaB at November 22, 2021 01:34 PM (HkGDB)

238 jeez, I cannot type on my phone, please excuse that mess of a post!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at November 22, 2021 01:34 PM (KrMCC)

239 228 Mrs D said the same thing about me buying a sports car vs getting a harem. Both will take me to the cleaners but only one will get me a ride home.

if harem is large enough, sedan chair is a possibility.

Posted by: Kulak Anachronda, behind the Newsom curtain at November 22, 2021 01:34 PM (v3pYe)

240 All of his organs shut down, he will never be the same. He was a healthy 40, fit.

Posted by: CaliGirl at November 22, 2021 01:19 PM (wRauk)

omg - awful!

this is why when the old man come down with the coof priority one was to keep him out of the hospital.

He knew they'd kill him if he made it there

Posted by: kallisto at November 22, 2021 01:35 PM (DJFLF)

241 "Warlording be hard, yo
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 22, 2021 01:32 PM (txdEq)"

Drive a rifle or drive a farm cart, one or the other.

Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at November 22, 2021 01:35 PM (EI5xb)

242 I take it the people terrified of dying of covid would not have stormed the beaches on D-Day.

Posted by: Northernlurker at November 22, 2021 01:35 PM (cSyAR)

243 "
The bad part of being the warlord's wife: Your husband gets a lot of booty.
Posted by: 18-1 at November 22, 2021 01:34 PM (ESjRY)"

That's called a vacation.

Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at November 22, 2021 01:36 PM (EI5xb)

244 Well, no Family Circus cartoon but...I'll allow it
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

Shush, or you'll get The Lockhorns.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at November 22, 2021 01:36 PM (OssQ4)

245 Excellent post, Muldoon.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 22, 2021 01:37 PM (TKmok)

246 There are undoubtedly some people who's cholesterol is so high as to be dangerous, but I think it's a minute percentage. I think cholesterol naturally up as we age, maybe because we need e training, who knows?

It can test higher from one day to another based on your stress levels and other factors (what you had to eat, etc). But you bring up a very important point: your body needs cholesterols. Like every fad diet that picks one thing which can be bad in excess, no-cholesterol is bad for you and will hurt you in the long run.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 22, 2021 01:37 PM (KZzsI)

247 242 I take it the people terrified of dying of covid would not have stormed the beaches on D-Day.
Posted by: Northernlurker at November 22, 2021 01:35 PM (cSyAR)

It's a good counterpoint, but it is also revealing: we have lost all sense of proportionality of actual threat. Going hungry. Getting shot. Children dying.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 22, 2021 01:37 PM (csEWM)

248 Now she tells us.

Mary Spicuzza
@MSpicuzzaMJS
Waukesha update; Milwaukee County District Attorney says the state's bail recommendation was "inappropriately low" in Darrell Brooks' ongoing criminal case.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 22, 2021 01:37 PM (FVME7)

249 Marcus T , this whole vaccinate kids thing is about Fauci's control mania.
Posted by: Braenyard at November 22, 2021 01:28 PM (ET3Lq)

Too bad he never felt that way about the AIDS Epidemic. simple things, like closing the "Bath Houses" would have slowed the spread. Not stopped it, but slowing a lethal disease does help.

Nothing could stop it, just like nothing has stopped HIV today even with preventive drugs.

Bringing this full circle, nothing we have done has stopped the spread of COVID. Hell, you cannot even really slow down this airborne (remember that lie?) virus.

Posted by: rd at November 22, 2021 01:37 PM (Z32m1)

250 242 I take it the people terrified of dying of covid would not have stormed the beaches on D-Day.
Posted by: Northernlurker at November 22, 2021 01:35 PM (cSyAR)

They would've been the ones to round up the unvaccinated and ship them off in cattle cars.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 22, 2021 01:37 PM (s2VJv)

251 219 Any possibility of doing the Canada mail order?
Posted by: PaleRider
------------------

Easy peasy, but you must have an American script.\\

Posted by: Braenyard at November 22, 2021 01:37 PM (ET3Lq)

252 "230 The vax mandate makes zero sense.

Since I am vaccinated, I should be protected (even though I wasn't!) from covid, and so it shouldn't matter, to me, what someone else's vaccine status is.

As a society we may want to stamp out covid, and therefore we may encourage people to get vaccinated, but my own health depends on what I DO, and not on what YOU DO.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 22, 2021 01:33 PM (I8F7d)"

This is a rhetorical trap they've set up. For a vax that works, the number that gets it matters; you need enough immune to stop the spread to those who are too young to get it, or for whom it didn't take. The problem here is that the vax simply doesn't work, on top of being toxic itself.

Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at November 22, 2021 01:38 PM (EI5xb)

253 That wasn't supposed to be sarc tags it was supposed to be line breaks.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 22, 2021 01:38 PM (ET3Lq)

254 They would've been the ones to round up the unvaccinated and ship them off in cattle cars.

"Its for their own good! And the Greater Good of society! We have to protect our most vulnerable from the ~~Jew~~ unvacinated!"
--Karens through history

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 22, 2021 01:38 PM (KZzsI)

255 Tonypete,

try https://mexipharmacy.mx/

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at November 22, 2021 01:39 PM (5HBd1)

256 Fauci is not only a control freak but most probably a sex freak too
Posted by: Braenyard at November 22, 2021 01:29 PM (ET3Lq)

Gnome secks. And ewwww!

Posted by: Count de Monet, Unvaccinated Meatbag at November 22, 2021 01:39 PM (4I/2K)

257 New symptomless Covid strain 'more infectious than Delta' being investigated

Scientists have classified the new AY.4.2 strain of Covid-19, which is significantly less likely to display common symptoms such as coughing and a loss of smell and taste, a "variant under investigation"

now this is the COVID variant I have been looking for .. one that is so mild as to be symptomless. Once you get the COVID, you don't need those stupid vacciness any more.
The Swedes were right.

Posted by: SMOD at November 22, 2021 01:39 PM (RHGPo)

258
I know offshore pharmacies that will get you medications that you should have around. The only problem with letting others know in an open forum is the US Feds snoop around and will shut them down.

Big Brother and Big Pharma have such an incestuous relationship that it would shock even Kay Parker.

Posted by: Traitor Joe's Military Surplus at November 22, 2021 01:39 PM (dQvv7)

259 "We are spectators in all of this until/unless we wrest control of our country back."

Right now, thankfully, the fight hasn't gone to military action, which means it's still political and I think there's a lot more conservative political clout than they were assuming at the beginning of the year.

Posted by: squid_hunt at November 22, 2021 01:39 PM (Ectld)

260 I take it the people terrified of dying of covid would not have stormed the beaches on D-Day.

Someone with the same belief set of one of the guys landing in Normandy would be considered a "Neo-NAZI Christian supremacist" today.

I can just imagine what one of them would say on seeing Adm Levine.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 22, 2021 01:39 PM (ESjRY)

261 I just cannot get over that video of the little girl blocking off Biden's disturbingly insistent advances. She knew and could tell he was a perv, kids usually can.

News people are trying to brush it off as "see how kids are around grandparents!" Yeah, THEIR OWN grandparents, not some random old guy who wants to grope and sniff them.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 22, 2021 01:40 PM (KZzsI)

262 Just reading/watching video about the mass looting going on in San Francisco. Even worse than m I thought and it is expected to continue.

The MSM is going to have to report the yutes were running from police hunting them down and stopped for supply. And how SF's historic first black female mayor is handling the tragedy.

Posted by: Ripley at November 22, 2021 01:40 PM (MxEKc)

263 For some reason every time I get the flu shot, I always get the flu.
Posted by: redridinghood at November 22, 2021 01:20 PM (NpAcC)

Just think how much worse it could have been! Or something like that

Posted by: A dude in MI at November 22, 2021 01:40 PM (/6GbT)

264

https://www.canadapharmacydepot.com/

Posted by: Braenyard at November 22, 2021 01:41 PM (ET3Lq)

265 Now she tells us.

Mary Spicuzza
@MSpicuzzaMJS
Waukesha update; Milwaukee County District Attorney says the state's bail recommendation was "inappropriately low" in Darrell Brooks' ongoing criminal case.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 22, 2021 01:37 PM (FVME7)

They needed to get the Antifa and BLM shock troops out on the streets for the (expected by them) Rittenhouse Riots, which never happened in Kenosha or Wisconsin. They only happened in the usual places, Portland, NYFC, Chitcago and the like.

Posted by: rd at November 22, 2021 01:42 PM (Z32m1)

266 Yeah I envision modern young people in college baffled by two buttons:

( ) ACTUALLY FOUGHT NAZIS
( ) TOXIC MASCULINITY

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 22, 2021 01:42 PM (KZzsI)

267 256 Fauci is not only a control freak but most probably a sex freak too
Posted by: Braenyard at November 22, 2021 01:29 PM (ET3Lq)

I'm sure Adam Schiff and Fauci belong to the same club.

Posted by: Northernlurker at November 22, 2021 01:42 PM (cSyAR)

268 >one of the Brave Doctors - Aaron Kheriaty MD, takes on a Branch Covidian who is trying to Narrative-shame him on the tw@tter.

Posted by: kallisto at November 22, 2021 01:31 PM (DJFLF)

So there's a a Blue Check pressure group called "No License For Disinformation" that is blatantly calling for MDs to be stripped of their licenses for questioning The Narrative™. That's the sign you're really following the science.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at November 22, 2021 01:42 PM (cSs/W)

269 Based on what the clot shot seems to do - reduce symptoms for about 4 months - it would seem that the only prudent way to use them would be to intentionally infect people about 2 months after getting the shot - since infection gives you permanent immunity.

But...that presumes there isn't an element of Original Antigen Sin here...and that the clot shot itself doesn't kill you.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 22, 2021 01:42 PM (ESjRY)

270 For some reason every time I get the flu shot, I always get the flu.
Posted by: redridinghood at November 22, 2021 01:20 PM (NpAcC)

Just think how much worse it could have been! Or something like that
Posted by: A dude in MI at November 22, 2021 01:40 PM (/6GbT)
***

Better avoid the shot for the clap then.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 22, 2021 01:42 PM (axyOa)

271 #220
Birchers were right in application.
Washington was shot through with commie rats.
Stalin knew what he was doing.

Posted by: torabora at November 22, 2021 01:43 PM (J6igU)

272 Doc, I'd be glad to see your face in any sick bay or troop clinic I had to visit.

Posted by: Eromero at November 22, 2021 01:43 PM (0OP+5)

273 Just reading/watching video about the mass looting going on in San Francisco. Even worse than m I thought and it is expected to continue.

Did you see their mayor's latest scheme to fight crime?

Block off downtown from motor vehicles. Thus killing businesses even more.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 22, 2021 01:43 PM (KZzsI)

274 ~~First, do no harm~~

First, secure your grift

Posted by: The Modern, SMAHHHHRRT Members of the Medical Community at November 22, 2021 01:43 PM (llON8)

275 Actually, they made it so that the offshore pharmacies can't take Visa or Mastercard (they do electronic checks). I have used the one in Vanaatu (inhousepharmacy.vu) and have had no problems. But I was buying prednisone and inhalers.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at November 22, 2021 01:43 PM (5HBd1)

276 another Brave Doctor, Dr. Scott Jensen, running to unseat MN gov Tim Walltz...

under investigation by the State Board...for discussing Natural Immunity:

https://tinyurl.com/mz5xjm4h

Posted by: kallisto at November 22, 2021 01:44 PM (DJFLF)

277 Mary Spicuzza
@MSpicuzzaMJS
Waukesha update; Milwaukee County District Attorney says the state's bail recommendation was "inappropriately low" in Darrell Brooks' ongoing criminal case.

Well...DUH!

Posted by: Diogenes at November 22, 2021 01:44 PM (axyOa)

278 Washington was shot through with commie rats.

Yes, but personally the idea of killing people for having bad political beliefs seems like a bad thing to allow the government to start doing.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 22, 2021 01:44 PM (KZzsI)

279 273 Just reading/watching video about the mass looting going on in San Francisco. Even worse than m I thought and it is expected to continue.

Did you see their mayor's latest scheme to fight crime?

Block off downtown from motor vehicles. Thus killing businesses even more.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 22, 2021 01:43 PM (KZzsI)

California made the call on the Newsome recall.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 22, 2021 01:44 PM (csEWM)

280 271 #220
Birchers were right in application.
Washington was shot through with commie rats.
Stalin knew what he was doing.

Posted by: torabora at November 22, 2021 01:43 PM
There are still many murdering commie rat bastards.
-Ashli Babbitt Society

Posted by: Eromero at November 22, 2021 01:44 PM (0OP+5)

281 I take it the people terrified of dying of covid would not have stormed the beaches on D-Day.
Posted by: Northernlurker

"Oh SGT, I can't even!"

Posted by: Tonypete at November 22, 2021 01:44 PM (jZSOU)

282 I just cannot get over that video of the little girl blocking off Biden's disturbingly insistent advances. She knew and could tell he was a perv, kids usually can.

I've seen screen captures from a supposed text exchange between the girl whose nipples Biden tweaked and a friend of hers.

Basically she said he did it intentionally and her parents told her they couldn't do anything about it since they'd get in trouble if they tried.

Real? Hard to say...but you have to imagine all those girls we've seen in the video where Biden has groped them no he did something to them, just like he did to his own daughter.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 22, 2021 01:44 PM (ESjRY)

283 bringing forward:
Bay Area is hit by THIRD consecutive day of looting as 50-strong hammer gang storms mall. Sam's jewelry store, Macy's and Lululemon stores also targeted _DM

and HT, KT:
San Francisco just elected a new D.A.
His parents are convicted cop killers. In San Francisco, https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com

Posted by: Braenyard at November 22, 2021 01:44 PM (ET3Lq)

284 I wonder if statins contributed to my father's PSP (prog. supranuclear palsy).

Posted by: SFGoth at November 22, 2021 01:45 PM (KAi1n)

285 I've been in hospital for a week now. For some reason the phrase "arrogant bastard" keeps floating through my mind.

Posted by: From That Time at November 22, 2021 01:45 PM (NfiHd)

286 Muldoon, you have access to research in progress ( I presume). The Blood Bank is now testing for Lutheran antigens. Why now?
They gave me a bullshit answer.
I'm LUnull. (No antigens on my red blood cells... it's why I don't get flu nor colds, I believe).

Posted by: MkY at November 22, 2021 01:45 PM (2fV9Y)

287 Waukesha update; Milwaukee County District Attorney says the state's bail recommendation was "inappropriately low" in Darrell Brooks' ongoing criminal case.

Dude bragged on Tik Tok about pimping out a 15 year old girl and how the man came down on him for it.

He's a real American Hero.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 22, 2021 01:45 PM (KZzsI)

288 44 The Nuremberg Code, formulated after the abuses of "medicine" in and before WWII specifically bans requiring individuals from being forced to take any experimental treatment.

And now the governing class waves it away by claiming that the clot shot aren't experimental, because you see, they don't want them to be.

I hope I live long enough to see a second round of Nuremberg trials.
Posted by: 18-1 at November 22, 2021 12:59 PM (ESjRY)

That's a happy thought.
But it will be worldwide; a court per country.

Posted by: m at November 22, 2021 01:45 PM (6dJKT)

289 Just reading/watching video about the mass looting going on in San Francisco. Even worse than m I thought and it is expected to continue.

Did you see their mayor's latest scheme to fight crime?

Block off downtown from motor vehicles. Thus killing businesses even more.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 22, 2021 01:43 PM (KZzsI)

California made the call on the Newsome recall.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 22, 2021 01:44 PM (csEWM)

CA gets what it deserves

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 22, 2021 01:45 PM (GPwVZ)

290 "Bay Area is hit by THIRD consecutive day of looting as 50-strong hammer gang storms mall. Sam's jewelry store, Macy's and Lululemon stores also targeted"

Wonder who the store managers voted for in 2020.

Posted by: squid_hunt at November 22, 2021 01:45 PM (Ectld)

291 Just reading/watching video about the mass looting going on in San Francisco. Even worse than m I thought and it is expected to continue.
The MSM is going to have to report the yutes were running from police hunting them down and stopped for supply. And how SF's historic first black female mayor is handling the tragedy.
Posted by: Ripley at November 22, 2021 01:40 PM (MxEKc)

And now it's spreading to the 'burbs. Several dozen raided a Nordstrom in Walnut Creek.

I posted earlier the idiot mayor Breed of SF has a solution to stop all of these high-profile smash and grabs. They're closing traffic to most of the shopping district. Oh yeah, that's going to make a huge difference. For tourists. And, chances are somebody is more likely to get hurt now.

Anything is better than putting these poor medical/engineering students just trying to put bread on the table in jail.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at November 22, 2021 01:45 PM (wAnMi)

292 Thanks, Muldoon, for the informative post.

I have heard my own primary doctor bitch about the government interfering in his ability to practice medicine.

My daughter's best friend from high school died of Civic a few weeks back because she and her family refused over me tin because it was a "horse dewormer".

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- bitterly clinging to the deplorable life '70s style! at November 22, 2021 01:46 PM (j0p94)

293 Hard to read whole thread, have read a dozen articles onon the supposed epidemic yet firing medical personal.it makes no logical sense

Posted by: Skip's Phone at November 22, 2021 01:46 PM (AJEol)

294 260 Landing in Normandy with a rifle would be chargeable under crossing state lines. Lock ' em up.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at November 22, 2021 01:46 PM (C1Lsn)

295 Just reading/watching video about the mass looting going on in San Francisco. Even worse than m I thought and it is expected to continue.

So. Black Friday becomes Black Sunday/Monday/Tuesday and Wednesday. Will resume once those ships are allowed to dock, get unloaded and the stores restocked.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 22, 2021 01:46 PM (axyOa)

296 I think it's supposed to be first do know harem

Wife keeps promising me I'm allowed to keep one when I become a warlord.
Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at November 22, 2021 01:29 PM (EI5xb)
.........

Tell her she can have a couple eunuchs.

Posted by: wth at November 22, 2021 01:46 PM (v0R5T)

297 I take it the people terrified of dying of covid would not have stormed the beaches on D-Day.
Posted by: Northernlurker

It must be a horrible existence, to be both terrified of living and terrified of dying.

Posted by: old chick at November 22, 2021 01:46 PM (sOete)

298 Actually, they made it so that the offshore pharmacies can't take Visa or Mastercard

Old and Busted: Those rightwing government people shouldn't like deny you like pot man. That's just wrong!

New Hotness: We need those smart people in the government to stop the proles from taking things that might be bad for them!

Posted by: 18-1 at November 22, 2021 01:46 PM (ESjRY)

299 Real? Hard to say...but you have to imagine all those girls we've seen in the video where Biden has groped them no he did something to them, just like he did to his own daughter.

His repeated open mouth romantic kisses to his granddaughter while campaigning were enough of a red flag to send everyone to their rifles. But ORANGE MAN BAD, right?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 22, 2021 01:46 PM (KZzsI)

300 Illinois Democrat calls Wisconsin parade attack karma

https://tinyurl.com/2d4xchvw (goes to "not the bee")

Posted by: Eisenhorn at November 22, 2021 01:47 PM (t/tlh)

301 Fauci is not only a control freak but most probably a sex freak too
Posted by: Braenyard

Old and busted: I'm Rick James, bitch!

New and shiny: I'm Dr. Fauci, bitch!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 22, 2021 01:47 PM (FVME7)

302 Well for fucks sake, that's what lot of these types of virus do, they mutate themselves into weaker and weaker strains.

Once again, they're purposely misrepresenting basic epidemiology.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at November 22, 2021 01:47 PM (KrMCC)

303 278 Washington was shot through with commie rats.

Yes, but personally the idea of killing people for having bad political beliefs seems like a bad thing to allow the government to start doing.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 22, 2021 01:44 PM (KZzsI)
--------------------

If we don't have trials and juries we will have vigilantes.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 22, 2021 01:47 PM (ET3Lq)

304 I'm going to go ahead and get a flu shot. I don't always get them. But I figure my immune system could use something to do and the flu vaccine is a true vaccine. I hope they get the right strain this year.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at November 22, 2021 01:15 PM

Really? I have never heard the flu shot called a "vaccine" until this past 20 months, after COVID-19 started.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at November 22, 2021 01:47 PM (Do5/p)

305 >Block off downtown from motor vehicles. Thus killing businesses even more.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 22, 2021 01:43 PM (KZzsI)

And ushering in part of their green agenda too. Total coincidence, that!

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at November 22, 2021 01:47 PM (cSs/W)

306 There is a recent video putting forward Bonhofer's theory on stupidity, that these people are not evil since evil can be exposed. Stupidity cannot be exposed because it cannot see itself

Bonhoeffer's Theory of Stupidity

https://youtu.be/ww47bR86wSc

If you don't like Youtube ads, you can see it on this probably working Invidious instance

https://tinyurl.com/kcdpps

Posted by: Kindltot at November 22, 2021 01:47 PM (P9T5R)

307 Blue cities are devolving.

Posted by: mr tmz at November 22, 2021 01:47 PM (m/Gc2)

308 278 Washington was shot through with commie rats.

Yes, but personally the idea of killing people for having bad political beliefs seems like a bad thing to allow the government to start doing.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 22, 2021 01:44 PM (KZzsI)

There are two different, competing arguments here: Freedom vs Necessary gatekeeping.

By clinging to freedom, we disallowed necessary gatekeeping, then when the people we championed for their freedom to speak got in power, they removed freedom for anyone else to speak and are rapidly removing every other freedom.

I dunno, but whatever balance there was, we did the wrong thing obviously.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 22, 2021 01:48 PM (csEWM)

309 "Did you see their mayor's latest scheme to fight crime?

Block off downtown from motor vehicles. Thus killing businesses even more.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor"

She must be consulting with Atlanta's historic first black female mayor. Her plan for the unprecedented crime wave was installing more security cameras Which have been mostly destroyed or stolen.

Posted by: Ripley at November 22, 2021 01:48 PM (MxEKc)

310 Hard to read whole thread, have read a dozen articles onon the supposed epidemic yet firing medical personal.it makes no logical sense

The left: The jab is safe - look everyone in the medical establishment is saying so!

Also the left: We had to fire tens of thousands of nurses, doctors, and other health care professionals because we couldn't bribe, blackmail, or threatening them into getting a shot that is safe and effective.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 22, 2021 01:48 PM (ESjRY)

311 47 The physician's health summary noted that Biden . . .
Posted by: SMOD at November 22, 2021 01:00 PM (RHGPo)

. . . also he is missing a foot:

https://tinyurl.com/2bxjythj

Posted by: m at November 22, 2021 01:48 PM (6dJKT)

312 CA gets what it deserves

SF is going to be the world's most expensive ghost town if this keeps up. Its how Detroit died: riots followed by insane leadership, followed by businesses and citizens just leaving.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 22, 2021 01:48 PM (KZzsI)

313 Thanks, Notsothoreau

Posted by: Tonypete at November 22, 2021 01:48 PM (jZSOU)

314 65
We lost our rescue boy, Beast, to osteosarcoma this morning. He was about 10 years old.

==

Hadrian, I'm so sorry. You gave him happiness and love.

Posted by: vmom - link to Red's fundraiser at November 22, 2021 01:49 PM (YZG/i)

315 flu vaccine is made of the killed virus. The mRNA "vaccines" aren't even based on the SARS-Covid virus. They created a spike protein to use.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at November 22, 2021 01:49 PM (5HBd1)

316 Really? I have never heard the flu shot called a "vaccine" until this past 20 months, after COVID-19 started.
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at November 22, 2021 01:47 PM (Do5/p)

It is a vaccine, but it is for one of around 5-6 different possible combinations of flu that might be prevalent that given year- that is why it can be unreliable.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 22, 2021 01:49 PM (csEWM)

317 Hadrian - so sorry to hear about your rescue. I understand.

Posted by: Rosasharn at November 22, 2021 01:49 PM (yEBFM)

318 Also from Dr. Scott Jensen's feed...

WHO numbers on vaxxine side effects...note the number of Covide jab adverse events total for one year, with respect to all the other vaccines' effects being reported over 50 yrs:

https://tinyurl.com/trbabpe8

Posted by: kallisto at November 22, 2021 01:49 PM (DJFLF)

319 Nood

Posted by: Duke Lowell at November 22, 2021 01:49 PM (kTF2Z)

320 I don't understand why the media and the Democrats BIRM seem incapable of rational critique of conservative opinion. It's instantly insane, over the top, stupid and irrational.
Was rational criticism of Donald Trump impossible?
Is there nobody capable of saying hold on there, calling everybody who disagrees with you a white supremacist is crazy talk?

Posted by: Northernlurker at November 22, 2021 01:49 PM (cSyAR)

321 269 Based on what the clot shot seems to do - reduce symptoms for about 4 months - it would seem that the only prudent way to use them would be to intentionally infect people about 2 months after getting the shot - since infection gives you permanent immunity.

But...that presumes there isn't an element of Original Antigen Sin here...and that the clot shot itself doesn't kill you.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 22, 2021 01:42 PM (ESjRY)

-------

It also appears to compromise your immunity to other things, increasing the likelihood of being susceptible to other illnesses.

Posted by: ShainS -- Let's Poop Brandon! (Non Compos Anus) at November 22, 2021 01:49 PM (9J2GB)

322 The flu shot uses real flu virons, but it is not sterilizing - in practice it only gives about a 30% reduction in likelihood of getting the flu.

Note this seems to be mostly because the flu virus mutates so rapidly.

Which is also the same reason there has never been a successful corona virus vaccine.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 22, 2021 01:50 PM (ESjRY)

323 Easy peasy, but you must have an American script.\\
Posted by: Braenyard

Right, but that is no problem for us. Her Dr @ CC loves the treatment.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 22, 2021 01:50 PM (jZSOU)

324 The FDA's own webpage "Why You Should Not Use Ivermectin to Treat or Prevent COVID-19" does not cite any harm from appropriate doses of human forms of ivermectin, rather it focuses on overdosing of the veterinary forms in individuals who self-administer, and scant evidence of any widespread adverse effects even at that.

I'm not a medical doctor, but the Ivermectin issue strikes me as really, really weird. This is why I mentioned the other day the importance of teaching kids, especially, and others the classical logical errors used in argumentation, in the formal debate. Because we're being told how horrible this disease is on the one hand. Yet absolutely nothing (other fhan the Jab) on how to improve individual outcomes. Nothing about who might be hit harder - overweight, those with insulin resistance, or people who have quit smoking, specific blood types.

And they feign ignorance! of natural immunity. "Why, I never really thought about it.!?"

Posted by: Common Tater at November 22, 2021 01:50 PM (SVPcU)

325 I dunno, but whatever balance there was, we did the wrong thing obviously.

We surrendered the culture to the far left and because of that everything downstream of it was destroyed. Free love, drugs, destroy the family, pervert the children, coarsen public discourse, decay entertainment and this is what you get.

You want freedom from government, but we cannot have libertine culture on top of that. Either you have an ethical populace or a tyrannical government. Either people are forced by fear and power to avoid what is wrong, or you have people who do what is right reflexively and culturally.

People chose tyranny because they didn't want any of the proper restrictions of culture and behavior.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 22, 2021 01:51 PM (KZzsI)

326 "Bay Area is hit by THIRD consecutive day of looting as 50-strong hammer gang storms mall. Sam's jewelry store, Macy's and Lululemon stores also targeted"

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When I become King, I will decree that deadly force can be used to defend property regardless of value because nothing is worth less than the life of a thief.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 22, 2021 01:51 PM (FVME7)

327 and HT, KT:
San Francisco just elected a new D.A.
His parents are convicted cop killers. In San Francisco, https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com
Posted by: Braenyard at November 22, 2021 01:44 PM (ET3Lq)

As far as I know, Chesa Boudin has been DA for almost a year now. They've already got a recall for him. Yet another Soros funded DA - most all the cities/counties in the bay area have them now. But this guy is definitely the most high profile. The greater bay area is mostly screwed, and SF is going to keep voting the same as they always have.

I get all the local news on my YT feed, and the media is constantly clueless as to how this is happening, refuse to give a description of perps, and most commenters are clueless. They had one new piece last week that people in pacific heights are now experiencing break ins and are shocked, SHOCKED! This is happening. "we used to not even lock our doors!". One of the idiots actually said it was fine when they were just breaking into tourist's cars over on Lombard. Why can't they stay there?

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at November 22, 2021 01:51 PM (wAnMi)

328 There are two different, competing arguments here: Freedom vs Necessary gatekeeping.

By clinging to freedom, we disallowed necessary gatekeeping, then when the people we championed for their freedom to speak got in power, they removed freedom for anyone else to speak and are rapidly removing every other freedom.
I dunno, but whatever balance there was, we did the wrong thing obviously.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 22, 2021 01:48 PM (csEWM)

At some point a lot of people are going to start agreeing with Hans Hermann-Hoppe

Posted by: Kindltot at November 22, 2021 01:52 PM (P9T5R)

329 Is there nobody capable of saying hold on there, calling everybody who disagrees with you a white supremacist is crazy talk?

Taking a moderate approach to political discussions is risky for people on the left - many have been cancelled for exactly that.

This is something like Stalinist Russia were the only safe approach as a leftist is to echo the most extreme version of the ideology.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 22, 2021 01:52 PM (ESjRY)

330 new buck throckmorton

Posted by: kallisto at November 22, 2021 01:52 PM (DJFLF)

331 First, secure your grift
Posted by: The Modern, SMAHHHHRRT Members of the Medical Community at November 22, 2021 01:43 PM (llON

Yep, medicine is increasingly controlled by DC, and will go down the fascist kickback road

Posted by: CN...FJB at November 22, 2021 01:52 PM (ONvIw)

332 Thank you, Muldoon.

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 22, 2021 01:52 PM (W2Pud)

333 Most excellent my limerickal friend. We need to see more threads from you.

* holds up bic*

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Non timebo mala at November 22, 2021 01:53 PM (fHp/7)

334 "Right now, thankfully, the fight hasn't gone to military action, which means it's still political and I think there's a lot more conservative political clout than they were assuming at the beginning of the year.
Posted by: squid_hunt at November 22, 2021 01:39 PM (Ectld)"

No I mean we're done, for the time being. We lost the political fight and there is no political solution. All of that clout and anger doesn't mean fuckall at the ballot box after 30 years of being strung along by fake conservatives in the GOPe.

A fight is coming and it is going to be brutal.

Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at November 22, 2021 01:53 PM (EI5xb)

335 This is something like Stalinist Russia were the only safe approach as a leftist is to echo the most extreme version of the ideology.
Posted by: 18-1 at November 22, 2021 01:52 PM (ESjRY)

Never be the first to stop clapping, comrade.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 22, 2021 01:53 PM (csEWM)

336 Thanks again Muldoon.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 22, 2021 01:54 PM (axyOa)

337 CMS-do things our way or no reimbursement. Predetermined protocols apparently include intubation, but don't dare use ivermectin or even monoclonal antibodies on unapproved people.

Sensible choice, locate someone willing to prescribe ivermectin and so it now, so you can take it when you need it.
I can't image go much Pfizer is paying to push this vaccine or to hide their data. It still hurts to say that the FDA and NIH are dishonest, but there it is.

Posted by: CN...FJB at November 22, 2021 01:56 PM (ONvIw)

338 Beast knew what you did for him, Hadrian. RIP good doggie.

Posted by: JuJuBee at November 22, 2021 01:56 PM (mNhhD)

339 PubMed on the NIH site includes articles favorable to the use of ivermectin, but yet they refuse

Posted by: CN...FJB at November 22, 2021 01:58 PM (ONvIw)

340 It is a vaccine, but it is for one of around 5-6 different possible combinations of flu that might be prevalent that given year - that is why it can be unreliable.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 22, 2021 01:49 PM

So it is a vaccine as per the pre-09/01/21 definition of vaccine, which was "provides immunization", not the new definition of vaccine, post-09/01/21, which is "provides protection"?

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at November 22, 2021 01:58 PM (Do5/p)

341 Worst. Limerick. Ever.

Posted by: a.moron at November 22, 2021 02:00 PM (tu3iY)

342 Also, that's quite convenient for the "flu vaccine" promoters. They have complete non-liability for the failure of the "flu vaccine".

If you get the "flu vaccine" and you don't get the flu, they can claim that it worked. If you get the "flu vaccine" and you end up getting the flu, they can just say "well, you must have gotten one of the flu virus variants that the "flu vaccine" was not designed to protect against.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at November 22, 2021 02:00 PM (Do5/p)

343
We surrendered the culture to the far left and because of that everything downstream of it was destroyed. Free love, drugs, destroy the family, pervert the children, coarsen public discourse, decay entertainment and this is what you get.

People chose tyranny because they didn't want any of the proper restrictions of culture and behavior.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 22, 2021 01:51 PM (KZzsI)

They went out of their way to kill these restrictions and chose moral decay.

Posted by: CN...FJB at November 22, 2021 02:00 PM (ONvIw)

344 I've just had to add arrogant bitch. This one actually pointed her finger in my face like I was a 4 year old. Considered biting it but don't like taste of latex.

Posted by: From That Time at November 22, 2021 02:01 PM (NfiHd)

345 The flu shot uses real flu virons, but it is not sterilizing - in practice it only gives about a 30% reduction in likelihood of getting the flu.

Note this seems to be mostly because the flu virus mutates so rapidly.

Which is also the same reason there has never been a successful corona virus vaccine.
Posted by: 18-1

Careful! Speaking the truth will put you on the lists. In my 6+ years in my retirement job as a school custodian I avoided the flu vaccine. It was always highly recommended. In 6 years I missed maby half a dozen days despite my nightly exposure to 120+ biological terrorists. Multiple teachers and other staff, vaccinated, regularly came down with the flu. If I had been smart, I would have invested in pharma. I'm not that smart.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Non timebo mala at November 22, 2021 02:01 PM (fHp/7)

346 So it is a vaccine as per the pre-09/01/21 definition of vaccine, which was "provides immunization", not the new definition of vaccine, post-09/01/21, which is "provides protection"?

Its a little complex. In practice it overall provides about 30% protection - but theoretically it does give 100% protection against the three variants of flu it was designed for.

Note - I'm not sure it actually does. Based on the actual data I think that the specific variant it was made with is rarely exactly the same when the flu spreads around you.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 22, 2021 02:02 PM (ESjRY)

347 If the genetically modified mRNA shots from Pfizer and Moderna, and the adenoviral vector shot from J&J were "safe", then why are all 3 Big Pharma companies still shielded from any lawsuit from negative side effects?

If these same shots were actually "effective", then why are all the first world countries with the majority of the population "fully vaxxed" having another wave of infections and deaths from this virus, while the African continent - with a third world health care system and an estimated 6% of the population "fully vaxxed" having virtually no Wuhan coronavirus cases and deaths? (Hmmm...could it be that in a region of the world endemic for malaria and other parasitic diseases treated with hydroxychloroquine and ivermection, there might be some connection?)

VAERS currently shows over 18 THOUSAND deaths from these shots mislabeled as 'COVID vaccines', far more than the previous 20 years COMBINED from all other vaccines.

Posted by: Pete at November 22, 2021 02:15 PM (CR5KP)

348 The CDC has been forced to admit that those "fully vaxxed" shed more of the virus than those who have not taken the shot.

Multiple peer reviewed medical papers have stated that natural immunity is far superior to vaccine-induced immunity.

Based on data coming from Israel, Iceland and the UK, three of the most "vaxxed" nations in the world, the vast majority of new COVID cases and deaths are people classified as "fully vaxxed", not the unvaccinated.

If lockdowns and mask mandates were so critical in stopping the spread, then why did Sweden - which did not lockdown nor force mask wearing - have a lower per capita infection and death rate than the countries in Europe and the US that bowed down to the so-called 'experts'?

Posted by: Pete at November 22, 2021 02:20 PM (CR5KP)

349 Why does the CDC website specifically recommend NOT performing COVID antibody tests in people who have taken the "vax" to prove immunity, when that is standard practice for Hepatitis B, Rubella, and Varicella?

If the CDC is telling us that the immunity from their experimental shots wanes 2 months after taking the shots, why do they tell the sheeple to wait 6 months to take the booster?

If getting everyone "fully vaccinated" is so imperative to stopping the PANDEMIC, then why are members of Congress and their staff exempted from taking the shot? Why are the US Postal workers all exempted from the vax mandate? Furthermore, if it was SO important to get everyone vaccinated, then why was the mandatory effective date for the mandate pushed back from November to January?

Our government is blatantly lying to us. Do not take these experimental shots. They are NOT vaccines.

Posted by: Pete at November 22, 2021 02:26 PM (CR5KP)

350 wwwDOTahajournalsDOTorg/doi/10.1161/circ.144.suppl_1.10712

That is a link to Circulation, the journal of the American Heart Association. It lays out the very high rates of cardiac inflammation and cardiac damage indicators in young people having taken the shots.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34591202/

That is a study entitled: "Increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States"

Posted by: Pete at November 22, 2021 02:41 PM (CR5KP)

351 The evidence is growing that these experimental shots are NOT safe, nor are they effective, for their stated purpose of protecting against Wuhan Coronavirus infection. Those sites in post 350 are just 2 peer reviewed medical articles on the topic. More are out there, but are being ignored and suppressed by the folks hell bent on getting everyone to take these shots. For a disease that has a 99.5% likelihood of recovery for people under the age of 70 who do not have diabetes, heart disease, or some form of immunocompromise. How does that make ANY sense?

The fact that physicians who question the elites on this topic are threatened with revocation of medical licenses and board certification, should be a giant neon sign of how dishonest the 'experts' are being about all this.

Posted by: Pete at November 22, 2021 02:43 PM (CR5KP)

352 Everyone must be vaccinated to execute the real plan; forced compliance including tracking and punishment for those who disobey. The obvious lie is not exempting those with immunity from having Covid. The next obvious lie is calling mRNA a vaccine. The third lie is to declare this to be safe with no long-term data.
My solution to the craziness is, "I respect your choice to get vaccinated or not."

Posted by: IanDeal at November 22, 2021 02:48 PM (6aLBX)

353 And since this topic has me on my soapbox...

What happened to real medical ethics? The level of mass psychosis over the management of Wuhan Coronavirus patients is stunning. Have you seen these Ivy League 'medical ethicists', and the national medical organizations/journals putting out opinions that it is perfectly OK for physicians to refuse to treat patients who refuse to take the experimental shots?

Just imagine the shrieks and rending of garments if anyone in the medical community had stated it was OK for physicians to refuse treating HIV patients who refused to wear condomns during sex, or who refused to stop sharing needles when shooting illegal street drugs. But somehow in the minds of these midwit medical fascists, it is completely ethical to refuse to treat patients for refusing an experimental shot?

Posted by: Pete at November 22, 2021 03:01 PM (CR5KP)

354 I'd have to be in the throes of agony, or seriously injured before I will ever trust anyone in the medical profession again.

It seems as though thousands, lured by government money have eagerly set aside whatever constitutes a moral principle. I don't trust communists. So, I no longer trust "healthcare professionals", whatever that term means anymore.

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at November 22, 2021 03:57 PM (fmN+U)

355 Hat tip to Dr. Muldoon, from another MD (30 years next June).

That Pfizer got away with testing their vax on such a small number of kids should raise HUGE red flags for anyone with a modicum of research design knowledge, especially when less common, but severe adverse events such as myocarditis take larger sample sizes to detect and quantify. Not that I'm recommending the jab for any kid, especially those 12 and under. Not for an infection whose risk of death or even hospitalization is vanishingly small in that age group.

And agree 1000% with #s 177 and 179. People who dismiss the potential harms to others (especially kids) in order to convince themselves that they will be protected from whatever risk they fear are beyond the pale for me. I had a discussion on the harms of prolonged school lockdowns with another MD (young single woman without kids) last summer. She adamantly maintained that school lockdowns were "necessary collateral damage." It took me all my will to not tell her my opinion of her position without using some choice cusswords.

Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at November 22, 2021 04:12 PM (ViC0A)

356 I read that Jefferson et al changed "property" to "pursuit of happiness" partly to disengage the Rights of Man from the "property" of slavery.

Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at November 22, 2021 04:27 PM (K58O6)

357 Doctors Job is to Save Lives not take them

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at November 22, 2021 06:14 PM (wGqjj)

358 I agree and, before the hysteria got too bad, prescribed Hydroxychloroquine for my adult children and my grandchildren. My son, who is a paramedic, has refused vaccination and recently contracted Covid from a coworker. He was taking his HCQ and had a minor illness. Back to normal in days in spite of the fact that he is an insulin dependent diabetic. So far, Orange County CA has resisted the immunization mandate for children. I have agreed to write a letter for his 16 year old son should the mandate be revived. It makes no sense to require this novel vaccine for children.

Yes, I am an MD.

Posted by: Mike K at November 22, 2021 06:41 PM (o3Ds4)

359 Well said sir. And you are correct the brave doctors who are willing to put it on the line are an inspiration.

Those that do not AT LEAST support those doctors in their honest endeavors are cowards. And they ARE doing harm.

Posted by: Danny at November 22, 2021 09:18 PM (3exmE)

360 Great post, Muldoon!
Why do so many doctors drink the kool-aid?
A very incomplete list:
Offspring of would-be ruling class professionals.
Extended higher ed exposure to professional idiots.
Process requires years of crushing conformity.
"Experts" seen as demi-gods. "Guidelines" as laws.
>50% docs are employees, told what they can do/not do.
Little time to study issues independently, rely on digital blurbs by "experts"
Pay-for-performance measures.
Medical Boards, in my state the members are appointed by the Dem Governess.
Many docs would make fine accountants. Many ARE medicrats.

Posted by: Hal Dall MD at November 22, 2021 11:10 PM (wGnD7)

361 I read that the law does not allow emergency authorization, if there is an effective therapeutic drug. Whether ivermectin, or some other drug, works, or not, I do not know, but why take the risk of it working when there are billions of dollars to be made selling vaccines? Only a fool, someone interested only in the health of the patient, would allow such a thing. So, the health of the public is sacrificed for billions in wealth. It's not even a hard decision for a soulless bureaucratic, government doctor.

Posted by: mikegram at November 23, 2021 11:01 AM (q9Kwg)

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