The Morning Rant

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ON BEING 'ANTI-VAX'

I have been hearing complaints on social media that one or more of the online dictionaries have modified its definition of "anti-vaxer" to include those who oppose enforced vaccination either by the government or private companies. It's infuriating that a number of different meanings have been conflated into one unitary generic smear.

So now I have to spell it out:

It would be fair to say I am anti-vax.

No, that doesn't mean I'm anti- *all* vaccines.

Just the ones currently available for Covid-19.

Some people *are* anti- all vaccines, though. I understand that.

But not me. I like vaccines. I mean, in general. I have no problems with vaccines. I used to get a flu shot every year. I'm probably, eventually, going to get an anti-Covid 19 vaccine at some point. But not yet.

Why not now? Because I don't trust any of them.

Specifically, I do not trust any of the products of the Donald Trump's "Operation Warp Speed" program. Normally, it takes several years to develop and test a new vaccine adequately until it can be cleared for public use. And now they want us to believe that they can do it in a matter of months?

Something doesn't smell right.

I think there are two possibilities. Either they cut a lot of corners in the testing phase, or the bureaucratic, regulatory process itself has got a lot of useless, redundant "filler" baked in that should be permanently eliminated.

So, which is it? And please don't say "everybody worked really, really hard to speed things up" because I don't think that's credible. Especially the testing. You can't just test stuff faster. It's like pregnancy. No matter how much manpower or money you throw at it, it still takes nine months to make a baby.

But there was undoubtedly intense political pressure to get something out there fast.

So we have three rushed-to-market vaccines available, and I don't think they're trustworthy. First, the pharmaceutical companies have been given some sort of non-liability guarantee by the government so they can't be sued for any possible bad side-effects caused by the vaccines. This is almost a "rule for thee but not for me" thing since the right to sue for compensatory damages is woven into the DNA of our legal system. It's disturbing that the government can just nullify that right, poof, just like that, but that's the 2021 post-legal environment that we're living in right now

So, if I get vaccinated, and suffer permanent, debilitating side effects, is any sort of compensation possible?

There is a federal agency that handles such cased, but don't get your hopes up:

Since 1988, the government has run a special, no-fault tribunal housed within the U.S. Court of Federal Claims, the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (known colloquially as “vaccine court”, to handle injury claims for 16 common vaccines. Payouts (including attorneys’ fees) are funded by a 75-cent tax per vaccine...

But that’s not where COVID vaccine claims are being adjudicated. Instead, at least for the time being, they’ve been relegated to an even more obscure forum, the Countermeasure Injury Compensation Program, or CICP, run by the Health Resources and Services Administration.

Both Maglio and Gentry use the same phrase to describe the program: “A black hole.”

In other words, you can sue, but it's highly unlikely that you will win anything. You have to prove to a bunch of federal bureaucrats that your symptoms are directly due to the vaccine, and the bar for accepting evidence of proof has been set very, very high.

So how does this work if you are compelled to get the vaccine due to either private or governmental mandates? It seems to me that it is possible for you to be forced to take the vax to save your job or do business in your state, and if the vaccine messes you up, well, too bad, so sad, screw you, it's all on you, ha ha.

Which is pretty outrageous, I'd say.

So, as I was saying, I do not trust any of the rushed-to-market vaccines. I understand that most of the people who have been vaccinated don't have any problem. But there have been enough that make me think that maybe they should be doing further tests. Which actually, they're doing now. If you've taken vaccine, you're part of the test. But I prefer not to be. I also don't like what appears to be an organized campaign to shame and bully us into compliance. The more I see that, there more it makes me want to dig my heels in and say no, I'm not going to do it. They shout at you to get jabbed, and when you don't, they just threaten you with cancellation and shout even louder.

Like that's going to work.

And the fact that they've put all of the eggs in the vaccine basket, rather than also investigate other treatments is mystifying. The government of India killed Covid in a major part of the country by distributing little packets of vitamin D3, zinc, and ivermectin, and that's such an inexpensive, common sense solution, why didn't we try something like that? If you mention this, though, you get sneers about taking horse dewormer.

It's like the number one priority in the country right now is not public health, but rather the profits of the drug manufacturers. So the only solutions that will be allowed are the ones that are patentable.

Anyway, when I was working, I do not remember ever taking a sick day for colds or flu. So I believe I have a pretty gnarly immune system. I have also been fortifying it with daily doses of vitamin C, D3, and zinc. I bought some quercitin but I have to ask my doctor if it interacts negatively with the blood thinner I take (warfarin).

So, right now, I trust my own immune system more than I do any vaccine. I refused to take vaccine ver. 1.0. I'm going to wait for the 2.0 release or maybe 2.1.




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AoSHQ Weekly Prayer List

Please submit any prayer requests to “Annie’s Stew” at apaslo atsign hotmail dot com.


Prayer Requests:

9/18 – Homer’s Donuts needs prayers for hope, healing, health, support, and strength as his wife has chosen to divorce him. They have a young son. Clinical depression and panic attacks, a constant in his life, are hitting him hard. He says he has such low energy that Jeb Bush looks down on him. The divorce is making things worse, and he feels completely obsolete and alone, without anyone on his side.

9/20 – Ozborn asks for prayers for JC_from_Texas. He’s recently developed Postural Tachycardia (some family history, recent physical stress event). Pray for wisdom in treatment, and that he can rebuild strength and stamina to resume normal activities.

10/4 – Annie’s Stew requests prayers of comfort and support for a sweet young family she knows. We’d prayed for the dad a few months ago, as he was being treated for brain cancer. He just passed away from the WuFlu (in addition to his brain cancer), at age 30. They have a daughter who is only 6 months old.

10/5 – snotnosed nuclear sonic punk asks for prayers for her mother, her father, herself, and her husband. Her 78-year-old mother had an episode of garbled and slurred speech which led to no speech. She broke her left ankle, but didn’t/couldn’t relay the injury. Now she can’t understand why they won’t let her out of the hospital, and she is confused and combative. Her father needs prayers, also, as he is scared and frustrated and showing it as anger. He needs patience for his fears to be quelled. She needs prayers for comfort in the Lord, strength, and clear headedness. Her husband needs prayers for strength and comfort, as he does everything he can to make things easier for all of them.

10/9 – Tonypete asks for prayers for his two granddaughters, especially the 14-year-old. Their mother is a raging alcoholic, and the kids are suffering greatly with the usual things: acting out, eating disorders, troubles in the classroom, fighting at school, way inappropriate behavior and dress and big trouble at home. Prayers also for Mom – that she accepts the help offered and get it together.

10/9 – Prayers for comfort for the family of paisley1333, at the death of her mother. She was battling heart disease, dementia, and Alzheimer’s when she got Covid and passed away.

10/13 – Aelfheld asks for prayers for her former co-worker, KV, who lost her mother on 9/21 and her grandmother a week later, all while her husband was sick with pneumonia. Prayers for her and her sisters in their time of loss and mourning.

10/13 – Sassy has 2 prayer requests. First is a thank you and praise report. She has made it through the gauntlet of breast cancer. (Double mastectomy and rebuild in Feb, Mar-May chemo, June-July radiation, Sept hysterectomy). She is now free to look towards the future, and thanks the horde for their prayers. Second is a prayer for the Repose of the soul of Gilbert, who died of Covid. He leaves a distraught wife and 3 teen sons. They are strong Chinese Catholics, but fear and anxiety are strong. May the Lord give them peace.

10/13 – Grannysaurus Rex requests prayers for her father-in-law who has entered hospice care. He is a much-loved WWII Marine vet, father, grandfather, and great-grandfather. Please pray for a peaceful passing and for God’s grace as a comfort for the family.

10/17 – Pollywog the ‘Ette passes along a prayer request for Brother Tim, who was admitted to the hospital Sunday for kidney stones and UTI. He needs both full healing, since this isn’t the first time he’s had these problems, and financial blessings. Prayer that he be able to have rest and peace, not something hospitals are known for, would be helpful as well.


For Healing:

8/22 – Hrothgar asks for prayers for Emma, a 16-year-old girl who apparently had a stroke. Her condition is still being evaluated, and she has been medevaced to the Children’s Hospital in Baltimore.
9/5 Update – The Children’s Hospital has determined the primary issue she was a very unusual congenital birth defect which had never before evidenced itself, as she appeared to be a healthy, active teenager. The medical team is convinced that she will be able to recover fully, but has a tough year ahead with several critical surgeries and extensive rehab. The important thing is that she will have years ahead to love and be loved by her family. So please continue to pray for Emma and her full recovery, plus prayers for her family and the skill of her surgical and rehab teams.

9/16 – Warrant242 requests prayers for his 11-year-old son, who has brain and spinal cord tumors that appear to be growing again, after 3 stable years. More treatment may be needed, and the treatment options are uncertain. Prayer for wisdom and insight, for the doctors and for them, would be truly appreciated.
9/22 Update – At the board review, his son’s doctors were unanimous in their opinion that the tumors were still stable, not growing, and no treatment was needed.

9/22 – NicenePunch asks for prayers for his wife and unborn baby. They just found out this week that she is pregnancy, but her progesterone levels are lower than they ought to be. They had a miscarriage in June, and so are requesting prayers for a safe, healthy pregnancy and delivery.

9/22 - CA Token requests prayers for his cousin, who was just diagnosed with brain cancer. He has a beautiful family with three young daughters. If everyone could pray for comfort and healing for his cousin, and comfort for his devastated family.

9/22 – garrett posted that his father was rushed to the hospital for a possible stroke. Please pray for healing for him.

10/5 – redc1c4 sends in a prayer request for his wife’s co-worker, whose son James (her only son) had a bad spill riding motocross. He was air evaced to Loma Linda, about 120 miles away, where he is currently in the pediatric ICU. It’s so far, so good, but a long row to hoe from here. Prayers for swift and complete healing of his injuries for James, wisdom and insight for his caregivers at Loma Linda Hospital, and strength, faith, and courage for his mother Deborah would be appreciated.

10/6 – Java Joe’s 19-year-old grandson was injured in an accident at college. He suffered a serious concussion, facial lacerations, a bi-lateral fracture of his jaw and 10 broken teeth. He is currently at the U of M hospital, scheduled for surgery. We are requesting prayer for recovery and no long-term effects.

10/7 – Pete in Texas asks for prayers for his mother, age 89, who got the J&J Covid shot. Her health rapidly deteriorated over the next week until she had a heart attack. For the next month she was unconscious. She is still in the hospital (where he will see her shortly) and she is still in a bed and can’t speak. Last week, his sister’s family got Covid. His brother-in-law went to the hospital on 10/6, so prayers are requested for him. The rest of the family are almost fully recovered.
10/14 Update – Mom got the Pfizer jab. Mom is stable enough that the case worker is talking about bringing her home. That is good news, and Pete in Texas loves her, but he realizes that is going to be a challenge. Also his brother-in-law is still hospitalized with pneumonia, but he made a remarkable recovery over Covid-19 after one of his old Army buddies visited him last week.

For submission guidelines and other relevant info, please contact Annie's Stew, who is managing the prayer list. You can contact her at apaslo at-sign hotmail dot com.

Romans 8:26-27:
[26] In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans. [27] And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for God’s people in accordance with the will of God.

If you see a prayer request posted in a thread comment, feel free to copy and paste it and e-mail it to Annie's Stew. She tries to keep up with the requests in the threads, but she's not here all of the time, so she may not see it unless you e-mail it to her.

Please note: Prayer requests are generally removed after five weeks or so unless we receive an update.



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Monday Who Dis: In 2000, feminist icon Gloria Steinem, who once famously said that a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle, and who also claimed that "marriage was the model for slavery law in this country", decided to toss all of that aside and get hitched. She married environmental and animal rights activist David Bale. I have no idea how they met, but I assume that all famous people either know each other directly or are separated by not more than one Bacon number. It was Bale's third marriage. He had had 3 children by his second wife, including son Christian Bale, which makes Gloria his step-mom. I wonder what dinner in that household was like? "Aw, jeepers, ma, give the patriarchy a rest, willya, I just wanted you to pass the potatoes." Unfortunately, the marriage only lasted 3 years, ending when David died from brain lymphoma in 2003.



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Comments

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1 st!

Posted by: weew at October 20, 2021 10:16 AM (EaEMG)

2 He's Stewart Granger. Don't know her right off.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 20, 2021 10:16 AM (/XOcP)

3 not sponge

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford at October 20, 2021 10:16 AM (LvTSG)

4 nooded

Posted by: weew at October 20, 2021 10:16 AM (EaEMG)

5 MONKEY!

Posted by: Inogame at October 20, 2021 10:16 AM (53oGX)

6 willowed:

407 I still can't get over the fact the new 4-star went to high school with Milley.

Posted by: Deep State 910 at October 20, 2021 10:00 AM (HwtiA)


I still can't get over the fact the new 4-star went to med school with Muldoon.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at October 20, 2021 10:17 AM (UOGTL)

7 LET'S GO BRANDON

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at October 20, 2021 10:17 AM (xDXlt)

8 I'm anti things pretending to be vaccines, but are in fact not vaccines.

Posted by: SH (Non-Expert) at October 20, 2021 10:17 AM (sX1BW)

9 Can't Find Things In Stores?

Just Order On Amazon!

And Stop Whining!

Posted by: Tomorrow's Washington Post! at October 20, 2021 10:17 AM (I2/tG)

10 No idea who dis. That first picture makes her look like a silent star, but she isn't.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 20, 2021 10:18 AM (2JVJo)

11 6 willowed:

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at October 20, 2021 10:17 AM (UOGTL)

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Did...did you not know that a new thread was coming?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford at October 20, 2021 10:18 AM (LvTSG)

12 10 No idea who dis. That first picture makes her look like a silent star, but she isn't.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 20, 2021 10:18 AM (2JVJo)

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Not vampy enough.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford at October 20, 2021 10:18 AM (LvTSG)

13 Who Dis is yummy, and Trump was spot-on with his prediction.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 20, 2021 10:19 AM (bkUtD)

14 So, that Jeff Teidrich looks about exactly like I imagined he would.

Posted by: steevy at October 20, 2021 10:19 AM (CYnTg)

15 CDC = CGC....center for gun control

Posted by: BignJames at October 20, 2021 10:19 AM (AwYPR)

16 So, that Jeff Teidrich looks about exactly like I imagined he would.

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That may be the dumbest tweet I have ever read.

Posted by: SH (Non-Expert) at October 20, 2021 10:20 AM (sX1BW)

17 Stewart Granger, for sure. Dunno She.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at October 20, 2021 10:20 AM (dfRN6)

18 Did...did you not know that a new thread was coming?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford at
October 20, 2021 10:18 AM (LvTSG)


Shut up, you. I've always wanted to say 'willowed'.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at October 20, 2021 10:20 AM (UOGTL)

19 Everything about this covide shot situation is depressing and just...unbelievable.

But that meme of the SWA pilot going on strike made me smile.

Posted by: kallisto at October 20, 2021 10:20 AM (DJFLF)

20 Normally, it takes several years to develop and test a new vaccine adequately until it can be cleared for public use. And now they want us to believe that they can do it in a matter of months?

Something doesn't smell right.



Welcome finally to the dark side.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 20, 2021 10:20 AM (OCTRt)

21 And the male who dis' medallion makes me think of The Paolo.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 20, 2021 10:20 AM (2JVJo)

22 Why do we even have four star generals right now?

Posted by: SH (Non-Expert) at October 20, 2021 10:21 AM (sX1BW)

23 No matter how much manpower or money you throw at it, it still takes nine months to make a baby.

False! Nine women can have one baby in one month.

Posted by: EXPERTS!!! at October 20, 2021 10:21 AM (ACi07)

24 I'm not anti Vaccines... problem is this is NOT a vaccine. Its a Gene Therapy.

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 20, 2021 10:21 AM (oHd/0)

25 Jean Kent was so pretty

Posted by: CN at October 20, 2021 10:21 AM (ONvIw)

26 So, that Jeff Teidrich looks about exactly like I imagined he would.

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That may be the dumbest tweet I have ever read.
Posted by: SH (Non-Expert) at October 20, 2021


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At first I thought it was Steven Spielberg.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 20, 2021 10:21 AM (/XOcP)

27 Can't Find Things In Stores?

Just Order On Amazon!

And Stop Whining!
Posted by: Tomorrow's Washington Post! at October 20, 2021 10:17 AM (I2/tG)


Amazon is out of stuff, too. I've looked for a couple of things I just can't find at my local stores anymore, and Amazon doesn't have it either.

Posted by: Jordan61 at October 20, 2021 10:22 AM (Ez6QX)

28 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford at October 20, 2021 10:18 AM (LvTSG)

Before I bury myself in work, you should check out Flicker Alley. No sale this week, but some nice stuff up for sale.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 20, 2021 10:22 AM (2JVJo)

29 Should Trump become President, step 1 should be to fire every general. I'd take out the Col class too.

Posted by: SH (Non-Expert) at October 20, 2021 10:22 AM (sX1BW)

30 I have been hearing complaints on social media that one or more of the online dictionaries have modified its definition of "anti-vaxer" to include those who oppose enforced vaccination either by the government or private companies. It's infuriating that a number of different meanings have been conflated into one unitary generic smear.

Remember when social conservatives pointed out that gay "marriage" had nothing to do with actual marriage and was simply a way for government beancounters to change the definitions of words on the fly so that the definition would always support whatever the dictats of the day were?

And people accused those social conservatives of "always thinking it will forever be the 60's" and "it's 2008, and why hasn't this been done yet?" and "socons are nothing but dinosaurs that deserve to be wiped out?"

We're seeing words redefined by the day, and many people think it's too icky to be defined like those bigoted socons. Well, other people are seeing how dangerous it is for words to be constantly redefined, but they'll all be dead before they recognize the ramifications of what happens when you accept that premise.

Posted by: Homer's Donuts at October 20, 2021 10:22 AM (HK8/E)

31 Richard Levine - still has his prostate and every cell in his body still has XY chromosomes.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 20, 2021 10:22 AM (OCTRt)

32 Rice Cripies Treats don't need Chocolate.

What they DO need is a cup of Fluff in the mix. Trust me on this.

Posted by: garrett at October 20, 2021 10:22 AM (9giBp)

33 23 No matter how much manpower or money you throw at it, it still takes nine months to make a baby.

False! Nine women can have one baby in one month.
Posted by: EXPERTS!!! at October 20, 2021 10:21 AM (ACi07)

Well, I had twins and they were premature... so I had two in 7 months.

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 20, 2021 10:22 AM (oHd/0)

34 Jean Kent was so pretty

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Decent 2nd baseman too.

Posted by: SH (Non-Expert) at October 20, 2021 10:22 AM (sX1BW)

35 You forgot that the Covaccine is for fags. Just like masks.

Posted by: Meelk of Human Kine Ness at October 20, 2021 10:22 AM (X5Gpg)

36 So, I've heard of a pain medicine clinic which has a number of patients on opioids for severe chronic pain.

The patients have been told that if they aren't vaxxed, they'll be tapered off the opioids, and will have to deal with the severe chronic pain without them.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 20, 2021 10:23 AM (I2/tG)

37 25 Jean Kent was so pretty

Posted by: CN at October 20, 2021 10:21 AM (ONvIw)


Yes.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at October 20, 2021 10:23 AM (UOGTL)

38 I'm with OM. I'm not getting vaxxed for the same reason I'm not rushing to install Windows 11. Both are terrible products right now.

Besides, I have health issues that might react very negatively with any of the COVID vaccines. And I'm in a very low risk demographic.

Why can't people just leave me alone?

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 20, 2021 10:23 AM (YIVH2)

39 hiya

Posted by: JT at October 20, 2021 10:23 AM (arJlL)

40 33 23 No matter how much manpower or money you throw at it, it still takes nine months to make a baby.

False! Nine women can have one baby in one month.
Posted by: EXPERTS!!! at October 20, 2021 10:21 AM (ACi07)

Well, I had twins and they were premature... so I had two in 7 months.
Posted by: Romeo13 at October 20, 2021 10:22 AM (oHd/0)

Its SCIENCE!

Posted by: Inogame at October 20, 2021 10:23 AM (53oGX)

41 Why do we even have four star generals right now?

Posted by: SH (Non-Expert) at October 20, 2021 10:21 AM (sX1BW)

Are you counting Police Chiefs too?

Posted by: BignJames at October 20, 2021 10:23 AM (AwYPR)

42 Did...did you not know that a new thread was coming?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford at
October 20, 2021 10:18 AM (LvTSG)

Shut up, you. I've always wanted to say 'willowed'.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at October 20, 2021 10:20 AM (UOGTL)


Are COBs allowed to do that?? Certainly less egregious than calling FIRST on your own thread -- but still an eyebrow raiser. Haha!

Posted by: Doof at October 20, 2021 10:23 AM (mZUr4)

43 Wait, strippers don't really like me?

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at October 20, 2021 10:24 AM (xDXlt)

44 >>>I'm with OM. I'm not getting vaxxed for the same reason I'm not rushing to install Windows 11. Both are terrible products right now.


I love how their solution is to just buy a new computer. Yeah, no.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 20, 2021 10:24 AM (bkUtD)

45 Normally, it takes several years to develop and test a new vaccine adequately until it can be cleared for public use. And now they want us to believe that they can do it in a matter of months?

Something doesn't smell right.

Welcome finally to the dark side.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 20, 2021 10:20 AM (OCTRt)


Not only that, it's the most rigorously tested vaccine in the history of vaccines (actual email my husband received from the HR department).

Posted by: Jordan61 at October 20, 2021 10:24 AM (Ez6QX)

46 I looked her up. No wonder I didn't know her; I've never seen any of her films or TV shows.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 20, 2021 10:24 AM (/XOcP)

47 "You're not a horse. Don't take horse medicine. "



You mean the 2015 Nobel Prize winning medicine?

You're not a rat either. Don't take Warfarin.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 20, 2021 10:24 AM (OCTRt)

48 >>I wonder what dinner in that household was like? "Aw, jeepers, ma, give the patriarchy a rest, willya, I just wanted you to pass the potatoes."


I seem to recall a story about Christian Bale having a very heated argument with his mom (and maybe sister) where he was tired of her grifting off his fame?

Dinners with Gloria might have been calmer?

Other interesting intersection of Hollywood and feminism: Dylan McDermot's stepmom is Eve Ensler.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 20, 2021 10:24 AM (bDqIh)

49 >>>But not me. I like vaccines. I mean, in general. I have no problems with vaccines. I used to get a flu shot every year. I'm probably, eventually, going to get an anti-Covid 19 vaccine at some point. But not yet.

This is mostly where I am at. Except, I don't need to add unknown risk of a "vaccine" for a minimal risk profile, lab-engineered virus, on top of the minimal risk that virus represents, while the government denies millions at risk potentially effective therapeutics for crony profits. I may get an anti-Covid 19 like "vaccine" at some point, when the dangers are higher than a fraction of a percentage, and the government is not denying potentially effective therapeutics to those who could benefit from them.

Posted by: flounder at October 20, 2021 10:24 AM (KnJdm)

50 Numerous lawsuits hammered pharma for handing out OxyContin like they were Chiclets and killing a generation of young people.

Government is simply channeling cash back into their pockets.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at October 20, 2021 10:24 AM (snOaV)

51 I took the vaccine so it is too late. If I explode in ten years,that is on me. My big issue is people who demand masks when we all know they took the jab. At this point it is a political act. There are also people in certain groups that are being scared shitless and that is why they mask up, even in their cars.

I regret all my time living in blue areas, even the areas that once were normal. Anytime I am in a red area, they don't mask.Even a year ago the workers did not mask. Today, lefties mask because it has become part of their identity.

Posted by: quint at October 20, 2021 10:24 AM (8UGFR)

52 Looking at that pic I can only think one thing...

Who this girl has to have an epic bush.

Posted by: garrett at October 20, 2021 10:25 AM (9giBp)

53 Rice Cripies Treats don't need Chocolate.

What they DO need is a cup of Fluff in the mix. Trust me on this.
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I'm pretty sure I'd taste too fishy for you.

Posted by: Fluff the cat at October 20, 2021 10:25 AM (/XOcP)

54 Rice Cripies Treats don't need Chocolate.

What they DO need is a cup of Fluff in the mix. Trust me on this.
Posted by: garrett at October 20, 2021 10:22 AM (9giBp)
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I was going to go with peanut butter, corn syrup, and sugar, then covered with a spread of chocolate & butterscotch chips. My mom called them "Chocolate Scotcheroos." Delicious.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 20, 2021 10:25 AM (YIVH2)

55 I think there are two possibilities. Either they cut a lot of corners in the testing phase, or the bureaucratic, regulatory process itself has got a lot of useless, redundant "filler" baked in that should be permanently eliminated.

You know the drill: Embrace...And

Posted by: pep at October 20, 2021 10:25 AM (ZsR3z)

56 The Vaccine Court exists because the manufacturers told the government they were going to stop making them because the plaintiff's bar had made them unprofitable (lots of liability, no real profit from old drugs). The Vaccine Court is a quasi-replacement of the court system; you can eventually get to real court if you don't like the the Vaccine Court's judgment but you can't get punitive damages; they're completely off the table. It's a good system: extreme reactions to most vaccines are rare, but they happen, and are going to happen to someone, and this system keeps vaccines on the market while insuring that those injured get some compensation. CICP, on the other hand, seems more or less like a no-compensation-no-matter-what device. Even if Covid vaccine reactions are rare, someone is going to get them. To combine mandates with no compensation for those folks is grotesque.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at October 20, 2021 10:25 AM (QU5/8)

57 37 She was the bitch wife in The Browning Version, but Granger sure wasnt in that one

Posted by: CN at October 20, 2021 10:25 AM (ONvIw)

58 Not only that, it's the most rigorously tested vaccine in the history of vaccines (actual email my husband received from the HR department).
Posted by: Jordan61


Anonymous letter to HR:

"You DO realize, don't you, that they had to stop animal testing because it killed all the animals?"

Posted by: rickb223 at October 20, 2021 10:26 AM (OCTRt)

59 I'm just hoping the boosters don't somehow become part of the vaccination requirement of the EO. My boss is all in on encouraging people to get the boosters and promoting the mix and match vaccine thing. I got the vaccine for family reasons but really do not want to get any boosters.

Posted by: Iris at October 20, 2021 10:26 AM (DibdT)

60 28 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford at October 20, 2021 10:18 AM (LvTSG)

Before I bury myself in work, you should check out Flicker Alley. No sale this week, but some nice stuff up for sale.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 20, 2021 10:22 AM (2JVJo)

==========

I know of them, though I've yet to purchase anything from them. I keep eyeing their release of Melies' Voyage to the Moon, but $30+ for a short film is hefty.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford at October 20, 2021 10:26 AM (LvTSG)

61 I have a feeling my office is gonna upgrade our computers to Win11 soon. that should go well.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at October 20, 2021 10:26 AM (xPJvm)

62 Are COBs allowed to do that?? Certainly less egregious than calling FIRST on your own thread -- but still an eyebrow raiser. Haha!

Posted by: Doof at October 20, 2021 10:23 AM (mZUr4)


I posted the comment in the last thread, then looked at the clock and thought 'oops, looks like it's time to post the rant thread.'

Thus I willowed myself

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at October 20, 2021 10:26 AM (UOGTL)

63 ironically, I pretty much never take the flue shot. Sans the Army,I doubt I have had two flu shots in the last 30 years. BTW,I have never had the flu as far as I know.

Posted by: quint at October 20, 2021 10:26 AM (8UGFR)

64 Wait, strippers don't really like me?
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at October 20, 2021


***
The Lap Dance Is Always Better When the Stripper is Crying

Posted by: Fluff the cat at October 20, 2021 10:27 AM (/XOcP)

65 You mean the 2015 Nobel Prize winning medicine?

You're not a rat either. Don't take Warfarin.


*looks askance at antibiotics*

Posted by: pep at October 20, 2021 10:27 AM (ZsR3z)

66 A strange calm has settled over the ranch.

Posted by: Weasel at October 20, 2021 10:27 AM (h0K04)

67 The Fluff keeps them from getting all dry and nasty after a few hours.

Posted by: garrett at October 20, 2021 10:27 AM (9giBp)

68 I saw a commercial with a family (black of course since white people are prohibited from being in commercials these days) that was vaccinated. The mom and dad say they are so proud of their teenager because he decided to get vaccinated. Barf. The propaganda never ends.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at October 20, 2021 10:27 AM (xDXlt)

69 My mom called them "Chocolate Scotcheroos." Delicious.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 20, 2021 10:25 AM (YIVH2)

Yes! Same here

Posted by: A dude in MI at October 20, 2021 10:28 AM (/6GbT)

70 57 37 She was the bitch wife in The Browning Version, but Granger sure wasnt in that one

Posted by: CN at October 20, 2021 10:25 AM (ONvIw)


Right. Also, The Browning Version from 1951 is an outstanding movie.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at October 20, 2021 10:28 AM (UOGTL)

71 I'm still not taking the 1.0 version of any vaccine

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Failure happens, giving up is a choice at October 20, 2021 10:28 AM (XvPQV)

72 I may get an anti-Covid 19 like "vaccine" at some point, when the dangers are higher than a fraction of a percentage, and the government is not denying potentially effective therapeutics to those who could benefit from them.
Posted by: flounder


I'll stick with the HCQ and Ivermectin therapeutics for this virus.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 20, 2021 10:28 AM (OCTRt)

73 I went to a reddit forum that hosts medical researchers, including, supposedly one that worked on the Pfizer shot.

Someone asked them how he could be sure the shot was safe since it was so rushed compared to any other similiar new medicine, and how he could be sure it was safe in the long term. The answers?

They didn't rush it. They just didn't do the bureaucratic stuff. A follow up question was asked, well can't we just stop doing that then...and the answer was NO that's how we know things are safe.

On the question of long term impacts the answer was that they have NO idea. It could give you cancer, or heart damage, or an extra finger but...you should get the shot anyway.

Well, they convinced me to NOT get it.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 20, 2021 10:28 AM (ESjRY)

74 Last Flu I got was the Swine Flu.

Damn near killed me.

Posted by: garrett at October 20, 2021 10:28 AM (9giBp)

75 My main reasons for not getting the Vaccines That Work can be boiled down to....

- Do not inject anything into your body promiscuously.

- Contra any of the stray voltage out of the FDA, the Vaccines That Work* are still experimental and have not gone through the full battery of trials and long term testing that is required of every other drug or vaccine.

- It is clear that the efficacy and the effectiveness of the vaccines are quite low and that the potential for adverse effects is quite high.

- I more than likely had COVID in early 2020 and have immunity that is superior to any vaccine as I have continuously worked in the major hotspots with no further ill effects.

- I believe this entire thing was an Op and Scam, the virus is real everything else has been a lie and continues to be such and I will not be party to the destruction of The West and America in particular.

- Also because, FUCK YOU!

Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 20, 2021 10:28 AM (wWbDE)

76 while the government denies millions at risk potentially effective therapeutics for crony profits

I wish their motivation was simply financial. But due to numerous factoids emerging, I now have to conclude there's a sinister bent to this entire agenda.

Posted by: kallisto at October 20, 2021 10:28 AM (DJFLF)

77 I have a feeling my office is gonna upgrade our computers to Win11 soon. that should go well.
Posted by: Pug Mahon at October 20, 2021 10:26 AM (xPJvm)


I asked our IT director last week if we were going to be upgrading. His response was along the lines of, "oh hell no."

Posted by: Jordan61 at October 20, 2021 10:29 AM (Ez6QX)

78 Wait, strippers don't really like me?
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at October 20, 2021 10:24 AM


And the ones you "dance" with aren't using the money to work their way through school*

*Except for one I liked. Seriously, saw her facebook page years later and she is actually a nurse. So I actually was *not* lied to by a stripper.

Posted by: Chuck C at October 20, 2021 10:29 AM (EughT)

79 Either they cut a lot of corners in the testing phase, or the bureaucratic, regulatory process itself has got a lot of useless, redundant "filler" baked in that should be permanently eliminated.

tmi3rd (who is now an MD) says it's mostly redundant bureaucratic filler. mRNA had been under development forever prior to Covid (they had been working on it as a way to target HIV, which is now in trial) so it happened to be at a fairly advanced stage when Warp Speed happened.

Posted by: Ian S. at October 20, 2021 10:29 AM (ZGrMX)

80 At this point it is a political act. There are also people in certain groups that are being scared shitless and that is why they mask up, even in their cars . . . .Today, lefties mask because it has become part of their identity.

Posted by: quint at October 20, 2021 10:24 AM (8UGFR)

At this point, it is a cult.

Posted by: flounder at October 20, 2021 10:29 AM (KnJdm)

81 On the question of long term impacts the answer was that they have NO idea. It could give you cancer, or heart damage, or an extra finger but...you should get the shot anyway.

I look forward to feasting on tasty human brains.

Posted by: pep at October 20, 2021 10:29 AM (ZsR3z)

82 As hard as they push for this vaccine at the exclusion of all other treatments makes my tinfoil hat tingle. The harder they push, the harder I resist. Fuck these people.

Posted by: Guzalot says FJB at October 20, 2021 10:29 AM (prSvo)

83 Are COBs allowed to do that?? Certainly less egregious than calling FIRST on your own thread -- but still an eyebrow raiser. Haha!

Posted by: Doof at October 20, 2021 10:23 AM (mZUr4)

I posted the comment in the last thread, then looked at the clock and thought 'oops, looks like it's time to post the rant thread.'

Thus I willowed myself
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at October 20, 2021 10:26 AM (UOGTL)


Keepin' it real and proving that COBs are morons too!

Posted by: Doof at October 20, 2021 10:29 AM (mZUr4)

84 In a couple hours I'll go for my annual physical. I usually get this year's version of a flu shot during this. This year I'm not so sure and it's all because of that lying ghoul Fauci.

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Michael Byrd Murdered Ashli Babbitt at October 20, 2021 10:29 AM (y7DUB)

85 70. I loved it, and saw it again recently with kid2. She played nasty Millie very convincingly

Posted by: CN at October 20, 2021 10:29 AM (ONvIw)

86 That may be the dumbest tweet I have ever read.

Posted by: SH (Non-Expert) at October 20, 2021 10:20 AM (sX1BW)

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Just wait, the twitterati are always good for new depths of stupidly.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at October 20, 2021 10:30 AM (XRi0q)

87 - It is clear that the efficacy and the effectiveness of the vaccines are quite low

Ireland - 92% fully vaxxed - is now in a covide wave that requires current lockdown be extended.

Posted by: kallisto at October 20, 2021 10:30 AM (DJFLF)

88 My #1 reason for not getting the vax....Biden wants me to get it. And he can go fuck himself.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at October 20, 2021 10:30 AM (xDXlt)

89 That recipe is said to be healthier because it has no butter.

FAIL!

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 20, 2021 10:30 AM (ACi07)

90 She was the bitch wife in The Browning Version, but Granger sure wasnt in that one

Posted by: CN at October 20, 2021
*
Right. Also, The Browning Version from 1951 is an outstanding movie.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at October 20, 2021


***
Written by Terence (Separate Tables) Rattigan. I'll have to look for that one.

Posted by: Fluff the cat at October 20, 2021 10:30 AM (/XOcP)

91 A strange calm has settled over the ranch.
Posted by: Weasel at October 20, 2021 10:27 AM (h0K04)


Are you there already?

*jealous*

See you tomorrow night!

Posted by: Jordan61 at October 20, 2021 10:30 AM (Ez6QX)

92 Vitamin C is extremely easy to get w/o supplementing. Don't overdo it.

Posted by: SFGoth at October 20, 2021 10:30 AM (KAi1n)

93 >>Ireland - 92% fully vaxxed - is now in a covide wave that requires current lockdown be extended.


Those 8% are killing them all!

Posted by: garrett at October 20, 2021 10:31 AM (9giBp)

94 The clot shots seem to increase the spread of the disease, though they may lessons severity for some period of time.

The argument for why everyone has to get the clot shot is NOT about lessening the severity, but about transmission - don't kill grandma!

So this whole thing is a damn lie.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 20, 2021 10:31 AM (ESjRY)

95 93 >>Ireland - 92% fully vaxxed - is now in a covide wave that requires current lockdown be extended.


Those 8% are killing them all!
Posted by: garrett at October 20, 2021 10:31 AM (9giBp)

==========

Just blame the British again.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford at October 20, 2021 10:31 AM (LvTSG)

96 while the government denies millions at risk potentially effective therapeutics for crony profits

I wish their motivation was simply financial. But due to numerous factoids emerging, I now have to conclude there's a sinister bent to this entire agenda.

Posted by: kallisto at October 20, 2021 10:28 AM (DJFLF)

It's always money. Some aspect of it is power. And I can't argue that there not some motivated by homicidal tendencies.

Posted by: flounder at October 20, 2021 10:32 AM (KnJdm)

97

Who dis'

Phyllis Diller and Soupy Sales!

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at October 20, 2021 10:32 AM (K2SnJ)

98 Ireland - 92% fully vaxxed - is now in a covide wave that requires current lockdown be extended.

To be fair, the lockdown-istas have a vested interest in making people test positive. I think that's actually one reason why only blue states are reporting high positive test numbers now.

Posted by: Ian S. at October 20, 2021 10:32 AM (ZGrMX)

99 That Tiedrich tweet is dumber than the usual liberal drivel. Powell died because people around him weren't vaccinated? WTF? I guess being 84 with Parkinsons and cancer had no relation.

Posted by: Cheri at October 20, 2021 10:32 AM (oiNtH)

100 As hard as they push for this vaccine at the exclusion of all other treatments makes my tinfoil hat tingle. The harder they push, the harder I resist. Fuck these people.
Posted by: Guzalot says FJB at October 20, 2021 10:29 AM (prSvo)


That's pretty much where I am.

Posted by: Jordan61 at October 20, 2021 10:32 AM (Ez6QX)

101 Posted by: Ian S. at October 20, 2021 10:29 AM (ZGrMX)

this is what bf's doc told him yesterday. I countered: "yes, for different applications though. This shot only confers immunity to one component of the SARS 2 - the spike protein. And it doesn't even work."

not to mention the lack of longterm testing and the fact that the control arm is already destroyed

Posted by: kallisto at October 20, 2021 10:32 AM (DJFLF)

102 6 willowed:

407 I still can't get over the fact the new 4-star went to high school with Milley.

Posted by: Deep State 910 at October 20, 2021 10:00 AM (HwtiA)

I still can't get over the fact the new 4-star went to med school with Muldoon.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at October 20, 2021 10:17 AM (UOGTL)
***

OM...you do know, don't you, that Muldoon's scalpel cuts three ways, right? Deep, Wide and Often.

Just sayin'

Posted by: Diogenes at October 20, 2021 10:32 AM (axyOa)

103 I was ambivalent at worst leaning toward getting it. Then they started the insane push and it pushed me into the Hell no camp.

Posted by: steevy at October 20, 2021 10:33 AM (CYnTg)

104 Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 20, 2021 10:28 AM (wWbDE)

You can also add: "we will never know the real side effects, because OSHA is hiding the adverse reaction data so that people won't be discouraged from getting the shot."

The rule changed happened weeks ago, but only actual investigators (as opposed to the government and MegaCorp's PR team) reported on it, so not many people know this.

Posted by: Homer's Donuts at October 20, 2021 10:33 AM (HK8/E)

105 Not "anti-vaxx" but I've always questioned their necessity, in many instances. Why introduce something into your system that may prevent you from contracting something that you are unlikely to contract? Add to that my level of distrust in anything that's actively promoted by whoever it is that is pulling the strings now.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 20, 2021 10:33 AM (Xrfse)

106 Just wait, the twitterati are always good for new depths of stupidly.
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at October 20, 2021 10:30 AM (XRi0q)

Warmin up,boss!

Posted by: THE rick wilson- (Con)federate at October 20, 2021 10:33 AM (/6GbT)

107 >>The patients have been told that if they aren't vaxxed, they'll be tapered off the opioids, and will have to deal with the severe chronic pain without them.


I know I should be shocked, but sadly, this is not the worst threat we've seen so far. See also transplants and non-elective surgeries denied.

The military is threatening to charge Navy SEALs for their training and past bonuses if they don't get the jab. THIS while crowning Ms. Levin a 4 star admiral, and I don't think it's a coincidence -- they are making sure the already alienated non-progressive troops know they really, really aren't welcome.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 20, 2021 10:34 AM (bDqIh)

108 At this point it is a political act. There are also people in certain groups that are being scared shitless and that is why they mask up, even in their cars . . . .Today, lefties mask because it has become part of their identity.

Posted by: quint at October 20, 2021 10:24 AM (8UGFR)

At this point, it is a cult.
Posted by: flounder at October 20, 2021 10:29 AM (KnJdm)


I was reading a post on a hockey blog this morning. Blog is mostly about a single team. Post I was reading was a recap of last night's game. The author felt it necessary to include a stupid graphic and comment about the arena's lax enforcement of vax/test/mask protocols. I'm not joking

Posted by: Doof at October 20, 2021 10:34 AM (mZUr4)

109 To repeat: as soon as the medical community started pushing the idea it was safe to use this vaccine on pregnant women, they destroyed any inclination I might have had to get vaccinated.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at October 20, 2021 10:34 AM (XRi0q)

110 100. Yep, especially as IVM is being successfully used in India and Japan. This is all bullshit and makes you wonder if its money driven or sinister.

Posted by: CN at October 20, 2021 10:34 AM (ONvIw)

111 Vitamin C is extremely easy to get w/o supplementing. Don't overdo it.
Posted by: SFGoth


Overdone Vitamin C is simply expelled via urine. It doesn't do harm like some can.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 20, 2021 10:34 AM (OCTRt)

112 The face of today's chick is kinda weird, somehow.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Failure happens, giving up is a choice at October 20, 2021 10:34 AM (XvPQV)

113 I was a little leery of the jab but the main reason I didn't get it was because I'd had a mild covid case along with my husband and he had demonstrated extremely strong immunity, so why not let other people go first, right? Seemed the right thing to do when there were limited available.

The mandates and attempts to force people make me more resistant every day. The outright lies don't help either.

And I had the same reaction to the speed-up. Probably yes, the FDA slows stuff down way more than necessary so speed that up, but how does one speed up testing? So there's a risk to it. Maybe a small risk, but a risk. So evaluate risk and maybe if you're high risk for a bad covid case, take the vaccine. If you're a low risk the evaluation for you will be different. If you have some medical conditions your doctor might advise against.

Mandating and demanding mandates for people (children!) with effectively NO risk, while pretending that the vaccine carries no risk is a huge warning bell. Telling pregnant women, women who get chewed out by doctors for takign more than an occasional Tylenol, to take it is insane. What the h*ll is going on?

Posted by: Synova at October 20, 2021 10:34 AM (BD/yx)

114 Aside from Samaritan's Purse, what other charities help sick kids abroad?

Posted by: vmom - link to Red's fundraiser at October 20, 2021 10:34 AM (YZG/i)

115 Posted by: Jordan61 at October 20, 2021 10:30 AM (Ez6QX)
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Yep! I find that I can wear out my welcome more quickly and efficiently by arriving early. Looking forward to seeing you again!

Posted by: Weasel at October 20, 2021 10:34 AM (h0K04)

116 I love how their solution is to just buy a new computer. Yeah, no.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 20, 2021 10:24 AM (bkUtD)


Yup. The Windows 11 upgrade thingy told me my computer's processor was too old, so no dice. I don't blame Microsoft for doing this. They don't want some yahoo try to upgrade his 1937 steam-powered Bendix computer and then phone in hollering mad at tech support because it doesn't work.

So I must remain on Win 10. I don't mind.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at October 20, 2021 10:35 AM (UOGTL)

117 114 Aside from Samaritan's Purse, what other charities help sick kids abroad?
Posted by: vmom - link to Red's fundraiser at October 20, 2021 10:34 AM (YZG/i)

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The Clinton Foundation?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford at October 20, 2021 10:35 AM (LvTSG)

118 >>>Just wait, the twitterati are always good for new depths of stupidly.
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker


Alyssa Milano, please pick up the white phone.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 20, 2021 10:35 AM (bkUtD)

119 willowed:

407 I still can't get over the fact the new 4-star went to high school with Milley.

Posted by: Deep State 910 at October 20, 2021 10:00 AM (HwtiA)

I still can't get over the fact the new 4-star went to med school with Muldoon.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at October 20, 2021 10:17 AM (UOGTL)


I can't get over the fact that Muldoon is transIrish.

Posted by: naturalfake at October 20, 2021 10:35 AM (5NkmN)

120 The insane thing about all this is that all these firings are taking place as the pandemic is going away.

The local medical school forecast (which has been highly accurate thus far), forecasts that fewer than 100 people with Covid will be hospitalized in Oregon by the end of January (down from nearly 1200 six weeks ago). Basically, by the end of the year almost everyone in Oregon will have been vaxxed or will have been infected (the forecast makes the heretical assumption that having been infected provides a lot of protection against future Covid hospitalizations).

So why are they doing this? Two reasons: Biden and all the other Karens want to take credit for the pandemic going away, and will claim that it was their mandates that did it; and they want people to get used to the idea that the State can have you fired for reasons completely unrelated to your job performance.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 20, 2021 10:35 AM (I2/tG)

121 I look forward to feasting on tasty human brains.
Posted by: pep at October 20, 2021 10:29 AM


Well, the Democrats are safe, then...

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 20, 2021 10:35 AM (m+jkK)

122 99 and a blood cancer, no less. So he probably had a very compromised immune system

Posted by: CN at October 20, 2021 10:35 AM (ONvIw)

123 The patients have been told that if they aren't vaxxed, they'll be tapered off the opioids, and will have to deal with the severe chronic pain without them.

Tell that to me and my next visit will be the last one you'll ever have.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 20, 2021 10:35 AM (2JVJo)

124 >>I wish their motivation was simply financial. But due to numerous factoids emerging, I now have to conclude there's a sinister bent to this entire agenda.


See Bill Gates' 2010 TED talk where he says vaccines will help cure overpopulation (and not the only time he's phrased it that way, IIRC).

Posted by: Lizzy at October 20, 2021 10:36 AM (bDqIh)

125 The justification for the Vax Mandate was a Full FDA Approval...but there is no fully approved Vax available for you to take.


That says about all you need to say.

Posted by: garrett at October 20, 2021 10:36 AM (9giBp)

126 I'll stick with the HCQ and Ivermectin therapeutics for this virus.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 20, 2021


***
Same here. I stocked up on pony paste and take a dose once a month as a preventative. I distilled my own quinine tea from grapefruit rinds and add a teaspoon to my daily mineral water or my apple cider vinegar-and-water cocktail once a week. Plus I take C, D, zinc, and NAC.

I'm so healthy I annoy myself.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 20, 2021 10:36 AM (/XOcP)

127 109 To repeat: as soon as the medical community started pushing the idea it was safe to use this vaccine on pregnant women, they destroyed any inclination I might have had to get vaccinated.
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at October 20, 2021 10:34 AM (XRi0q)

Right?

What the ever living f*ck?

Posted by: Synova at October 20, 2021 10:36 AM (BD/yx)

128 I was reading a post on a hockey blog this morning. Blog is mostly about a single team. Post I was reading was a recap of last night's game. The author felt it necessary to include a stupid graphic and comment about the arena's lax enforcement of vax/test/mask protocols. I'm not joking

Posted by: Doof at October 20, 2021 10:34 AM (mZUr4)

How does he feel about Climate Change?

Posted by: BignJames at October 20, 2021 10:36 AM (AwYPR)

129 >>>So I must remain on Win 10. I don't mind.
Posted by: OregonMuse


Same. With the prices nowadays, a new computer would probably bankrupt me.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 20, 2021 10:36 AM (bkUtD)

130 LOL....

CNBC had an interview with a hedge fund manager who said inflation is worse than the govt is saying and may be the single most destructive thing to society right now. It's what happens when the ogvt prints trillions of dollars over and over and over and calls it stimulus.

And the talking head hosts are like whaaaaaaa? This is crazy talk dude.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at October 20, 2021 10:36 AM (xDXlt)

131 A healthy, 84-yr old Hank Aaron wanted to demonstrate to older blacks that's it's a good idea to receive the mRNA injection.

He was dead 19 days later.

Story disappears.

Posted by: Dan at October 20, 2021 10:36 AM (+NG5U)

132 Lots of people seem to have difficulty with the concept that these vaccines aren't binary, i.e., you aren't guaranteed not to get sick if you've had the shot. Thus, if you assume 80% efficacy, that's helpful in achieving herd immunity, but clearly not as good as 100% efficacy. The people saying "you made X die" have a point, but not as solid a point as they think. Likewise, those saying "how am I a threat to you if you're vaccinated and I'm not", also have a partially correct point.

Posted by: pep at October 20, 2021 10:36 AM (ZsR3z)

133 I wish their motivation was simply financial. But due to numerous factoids emerging, I now have to conclude there's a sinister bent to this entire agenda.
Posted by: kallisto at October 20, 2021 10:28 AM (DJFLF)

Politicians and Media (redundant now) had created a fear campaign... and HAD to do something. So paid big pharma for a Gene therapy thinking it was a Vaccine.

Its not, and has some side effects on your immune system.... BUT, they now cannot admit to the Public that they lied to us, because THEY did not know what they were doing. So now? They have to double down to keep the Con going.

Thus, the Vaxx mandate. They need EVERYONE to get the shots because the unvaxxed are a control group. They need that group small enough, that any change in things like Cancer rates, can be attributed to something else. Its the same con they used for Gulf War Syndrome. Bury the data and use easily unproven 'theories' as to cause... so you don't have to admit you experimented on the American People.

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 20, 2021 10:37 AM (oHd/0)

134 120 So why are they doing this? Two reasons: Biden and all the other Karens want to take credit for the pandemic going away, and will claim that it was their mandates that did it; and they want people to get used to the idea that the State can have you fired for reasons completely unrelated to your job performance.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 20, 2021 10:35 AM (I2/tG)

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Which the far left won't let them have because there are MAGA people online who still say that they won't get vaxxed. And the Biden administration does whatever the far left on Twitter demands of them.

Also, you know, the massive failure of the supply chain that's going to overshadow pretty much every domestic issue for months and months.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford at October 20, 2021 10:37 AM (LvTSG)

135 it still takes nine months to make a baby.


Takes me only a few minutes to make a baby, IYKWIM.

* too soon? (that's what she said)

Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks at October 20, 2021 10:37 AM (w9Wax)

136 don't forget, it was the Dems and lefty journos who said they wouldn't trust a vaxxine developed while Trump was president.

Posted by: mallfly the Georgia Peach at October 20, 2021 10:37 AM (4a9Vv)

137 I have a feeling my office is gonna upgrade our computers to Win11 soon. that should go well.
Posted by: Pug Mahon at October 20, 2021 10:26 AM (xPJvm)


There are some infrastructure companies that are still using Win 7 in the control network for SCADA.

It's not a CIP violation to be behind on security patches if the vendor doesn't release security patches because the system was end-of-lifed over a year ago amirite?

Posted by: hogmartin at October 20, 2021 10:37 AM (P4LRL)

138 The Feds can't seriously think parents will put this vaccine into their children?! Kids are hardly impacted by covid, so why take the risk?

Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 20, 2021 10:37 AM (BRQzG)

139 I stocked up on pony paste

Can you make me a pony out of that?

Posted by: Arkansas Biden Baby at October 20, 2021 10:38 AM (Xrfse)

140 When the Gardasil (HPV) vaccine was approved in 2006, my daughters were too young to get it. There were some reports of adverse events. As I remember, there were even some calls for it to be withdrawn from the market (it was not).

By the time my daughters were old enough, there was more than five years of safety data on the vaccine--data that could only be accumulated through the passage of time. At that point, the risk/reward data favored getting the vaccine, and all of my daughters got all three doses.

Meanwhile, vaccines using novel technology, that circumvented the normal testing procedures that the Gardasil vaccine went through, were promoted as very safe and highly effective.

The problem with long-term effects is that they take a long time to show up. Those effects are, at this point, unknown and unknowable. God willing, they will be minimal (or even zero). But it's perfectly reasonable to be unwilling to take that risk, or subject your children to it, when the disease itself is not serious in the vast majority of cases.

Posted by: Cybernetic at October 20, 2021 10:38 AM (xawZJ)

141
promoting the mix and match vaccine thing

Old: One bourbon, one scotch, one beer

New: One Pfizer, one Moderna, one J&J

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 20, 2021 10:38 AM (63Dwl)

142 Too much C can cause side effects, but the bigger point is, if you are suppl'ing C, you need to change your diet. That's what's important.

Posted by: SFGoth at October 20, 2021 10:39 AM (KAi1n)

143 OM...you do know, don't you, that Muldoon's scalpel cuts three ways, right? Deep, Wide and Often.

Just sayin'
Posted by: Diogenes at October 20, 2021 10:32 AM (axyOa)


I'm not saying anything Muldoon hasn't said himself. He really did go to med school with Levine (before mental illness got the better of him and he started wearing dresses).

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at October 20, 2021 10:39 AM (UOGTL)

144 The author felt it necessary to include a stupid graphic and comment about the arena's lax enforcement of vax/test/mask protocols. I'm not joking

This in spite of 8+ weeks of packed college football stadiums with no reported outbreaks. But plenty of support for Brandon.

Posted by: Ian S. at October 20, 2021 10:39 AM (ZGrMX)

145 I was reading a post on a hockey blog this morning. Blog is mostly about a single team. Post I was reading was a recap of last night's game. The author felt it necessary to include a stupid graphic and comment about the arena's lax enforcement of vax/test/mask protocols. I'm not joking
Posted by: Doof at October 20, 2021 10:34 AM (mZUr4)

***

I had to watch the Caps on Hulu last night. The announcer were for shit and one of them (color) was a woman. Annoying as hell. I turned down the volume

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at October 20, 2021 10:40 AM (flINI)

146 Anyone else find it ironic the "Vax or else" people tend to be anti PDT, while a lot of PDT supporters don't support a vaccine mandate?

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at October 20, 2021 10:40 AM (XRi0q)

147 Prayers up for the Horde. God's blessing, care and healing for all those who need it.

Posted by: Moki at October 20, 2021 10:40 AM (JrN/x)

148 OregonMuse put into a coherent paragraph almost exactly my feelings on this vaccine hysteria.

If it didn't feel like a crazed mob chanting 'jab the unbelievesr' and covid was still around next year I'd probably seek out a vaccine. But instead I get my work who normally goes "we aren't a fed. contractor" going "we have to comply with Sundown's mandate" and the HR folks slow walking procedures to request an exemption. Whatever, I'm way behind on prep for if I get terminated but I'm at peace with the possibility. I aint submitting to that senile pervert and the hysterical mob.

Posted by: PaleRider, wrecker vaccine resister at October 20, 2021 10:40 AM (pxVvf)

149 Excellent morning rant. It's what I've been trying to tell anyone who is pushing this vaxx unconditionally as a one size fits all solution.

Posted by: Doood at October 20, 2021 10:40 AM (1QlFe)

150 The people saying "you made X die" have a point, but not as solid a point as they think. Likewise, those saying "how am I a threat to you if you're vaccinated and I'm not", also have a partially correct point.
Posted by: pep at October 20, 2021 10:36 AM (ZsR3z)


n.b. the people saying "you killed this person because you aren't vaccinated" aren't arguing in favor of vaccination, they're arguing in favor of killing you.

Posted by: hogmartin at October 20, 2021 10:40 AM (P4LRL)

151 I was reading a post on a hockey blog this morning. Blog is mostly about a single team. Post I was reading was a recap of last night's game. The author felt it necessary to include a stupid graphic and comment about the arena's lax enforcement of vax/test/mask protocols. I'm not joking
Posted by: Doof at October 20, 2021 10:34 AM (mZUr4

I read the Red Wings blog. Tyler Bertuzzi is lone vax holdout, he can't play in Canada and I believe is currently tied or leading league in goals scored. People are hoping to trade him as he hurts the team. Blood in the water if you start mocking on vax or stupidity of policy

Posted by: A dude in MI at October 20, 2021 10:40 AM (/6GbT)

152 I know of them, though I've yet to purchase anything from them. I keep eyeing their release of Melies' Voyage to the Moon, but $30+ for a short film is hefty.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford at October 20, 2021 10:26 AM (LvTSG)


True, but it's both the color and B-and-W versions as well as some extras. I should get it myself while I can still afford to.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 20, 2021 10:40 AM (2JVJo)

153 Should Trump become President, step 1 should be to fire every general. I'd take out the Col class too.


Whew, escaped by hair on my chinny chin chin.

Admiral Tranny - who's probably never even been on a ship.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at October 20, 2021 10:40 AM (TPKPX)

154 144 The author felt it necessary to include a stupid graphic and comment about the arena's lax enforcement of vax/test/mask protocols. I'm not joking

This in spite of 8+ weeks of packed college football stadiums with no reported outbreaks. But plenty of support for Brandon.
Posted by: Ian S. at October 20, 2021 10:39 AM (ZGrMX)

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Lots of descending case counts.

Most of America is over covid. Let the ninnies lock themselves up in their houses forever.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford at October 20, 2021 10:40 AM (LvTSG)

155 Its the same con they used for Gulf War Syndrome. Bury the data and use easily unproven 'theories' as to cause... so you don't have to admit you experimented on the American People.

Yep.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 20, 2021 10:40 AM (Xrfse)

156 132 Lots of people seem to have difficulty with the concept that these vaccines aren't binary, i.e., you aren't guaranteed not to get sick if you've had the shot. Thus, if you assume 80% efficacy, that's helpful in achieving herd immunity, but clearly not as good as 100% efficacy. The people saying "you made X die" have a point, but not as solid a point as they think. Likewise, those saying "how am I a threat to you if you're vaccinated and I'm not", also have a partially correct point.
Posted by: pep at October 20, 2021 10:36 AM (ZsR3z)

The "vaccine" doesn't affect spread per the people pushing it. And this disease is pretty effective at spreading and mutating. On paper, taking into consideration the claims of the positive effects of the vaccine, getting the vaccine will not prevent other people from getting the disease or contribute to herd immunity.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 20, 2021 10:41 AM (z5Vrg)

157 The Clinton Foundation?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

Not help make them.sick

Posted by: vmom - link to Red's fundraiser at October 20, 2021 10:41 AM (YZG/i)

158 Anyone else find it ironic the "Vax or else" people tend to be anti PDT, while a lot of PDT supporters don't support a vaccine mandate?

That's why there's a mandate. The elites *really* want to punish Trump voters. In a very real sense.

Posted by: Ian S. at October 20, 2021 10:41 AM (ZGrMX)

159 I have a brutal cold right now. Taking Advil Cold and Sinus, C,D, Zinc and Bio-Quercitrin

Keeps it all to a dull roar.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 20, 2021 10:41 AM (BRQzG)

160 Covid is a PLANdemic. So, not only were they creating the "virus" to spread, they were also creating the "cure", the dna-altering jab that is being used as something other than a "cure" or "preventative" since we know it isn't preventing anything, but spreading it more.

Sorry, not ever getting the jab and not ever trusting our "government" for anything.

Call me anti whatever the hell you want.

Posted by: Bonnie Blue - the anti-DOTE at October 20, 2021 10:41 AM (hlxe7)

161 Also, you know, the massive failure of the supply chain that's going to overshadow pretty much every domestic issue for months and months.

I don't think the PTB appreciate the cataclysm that's going to hit them if things don't improve for Xmas. It will be fun, though, to watch the virtue signalers who always whine about the true meaning of Xmas being lost to materialism, when their kids have no presents to open. I'm actually looking forward to it, since I think the true meaning of Xmas IS lost to materialism, and my kids are all grown.

Posted by: pep at October 20, 2021 10:41 AM (ZsR3z)

162 The traditional vaccines we're familiar with (and usually take as kids) were not approved until after years, sometimes decades of testing and observing results to ensure they were generally safe for the population at large (even if a minuscule number of people have adverse or fatal reactions). My understanding is that that was true for even the polio vaccine (before my time).

What we're witnessing now is insane irrationality. I'm old enough to remember Lefties screaming that they would never take a vaccine developed under Trump. Pregnant women -- who won't take a puff of a cigarette or sip of alcohol -- willingly injecting themselves with an experimental, non-long-term tested "vaccine" with known adverse side effects and sudden fatalities for healthy people? The sudden denial of natural immunity and antibodies (they're now walking Dennis Prager)?

Sheer idiocy ...

Posted by: ShainS -- State-Stamped Sluggish Schizophrenic at October 20, 2021 10:41 AM (hRPGI)

163 Ever have one of those days where you go in to have stitches removed and find out the wound has a raging infection? I've had stitches way too many times and never had this happen. They are running a culture on it. Have to go back tomorrow for another round of wound care. I've only heard that phrase as associated with mom in her later years and my MIL. I must be getting old.
I've had the chinese lung rot and I suspect the delta variant. Right now hubby has a head cold/sinus deal going. Had the J&J shot 5-6 weeks ago. He won't get tested and I don't blame him. The Bitterroot Valley where we live is experiencing an up tic in cases.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at October 20, 2021 10:41 AM (2NHgQ)

164 The Feds can't seriously think parents will put this vaccine into their children?! Kids are hardly impacted by covid, so why take the risk?

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The risk to the parents is not much more. So if you wouldn't give it to your kids, why would you take it yourself?

Posted by: SH (Non-Expert) at October 20, 2021 10:41 AM (sX1BW)

165 Been taking Quercetin, 5000 units of D3, 50mg Zinc Sulfate tablets, 1000mg Vitamin C, fish oil tabs, NAC along with my multiple blood pressure meds for more than a year now.

Following the flccc.net protocols.

So far, so good.

Posted by: Dan at October 20, 2021 10:42 AM (+NG5U)

166 >>I had to watch the Caps on Hulu last night. The announcer were for shit and one of them (color) was a woman. Annoying as hell.


Right?

I gave up on Pro Sports for the Political messaging...but, the female announcers/commentators had me 3/4 out the door, already.

Posted by: garrett at October 20, 2021 10:42 AM (9giBp)

167 I have this problem with authority. The kind of problem where you don't listen to it. There are too many red flags about the "vaccine" craziness for me to take a chance. Especially since I may have had the coof in Dec. 2019; it was like the flu, but it started in my right sinus cavity instead of my throat, the weirdest beginning to an infection I've ever known.

Urgent Care prescribed an antibiotic, thinking it was a bacterial sinusitis, and maybe it was. Or maybe that was riding along with the Chinky Flu, and my immune system defeated that while the antibiotic did for the bacterial invasion. I'd have to be antibody tested to find out. And since my employer and other fascists are discounting the value of natural immunity, there's no real point.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 20, 2021 10:42 AM (/XOcP)

168 I recently saw the VAERS chart of annual vaccine related deaths going back to the 80s or so. Yikes.

Spoilers: teensy, tiny little dots that barely even register as columns before 2020, then a huge mysterious spike in 2020.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Leave post-it notes on bare shelves saying Enjoying socialism yet? at October 20, 2021 10:42 AM (NdB+W)

169 I am not anti-vax either but I will probably never get this vaccine. Why? 99%+ survival rate.

The absolute and complete push of 100% vaccination rates screams of greed and IMO *puts on tinfoil hat* something darker.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at October 20, 2021 10:42 AM (q3akH)

170 I tune out any soyboies calling for more vax mandates. "GFY" is my universal response.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 20, 2021 10:42 AM (BRQzG)

171 I'm not saying anything Muldoon hasn't said himself. He really did go to med school with Levine (before mental illness got the better of him and he started wearing dresses).
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at October 20, 2021 10:39 AM (UOGTL)

Hmmm. I did not know that.
I bet Muldoon looks good in gingham.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 20, 2021 10:42 AM (axyOa)

172 Why are they doing this? Easy. Follow the money. As that meme above perfectly points out, natural immunity isn't profitable.

And not just the vax, the entire Covid-19 industry. Think of the billions of masks that have been made. All those plexiglass dividers for cashiers. All those "stay 6 feet apart" things on the floor in every public building. All the commercials and PSAs produced. And on and on.

This is like the war on drugs or the 20 year Afghanistan war. Way too much money is made by too many powerful interests to ever end**.

** Yes I know Afghanistan ended but you know what I mean

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at October 20, 2021 10:43 AM (xDXlt)

173 152 True, but it's both the color and B-and-W versions as well as some extras. I should get it myself while I can still afford to.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 20, 2021 10:40 AM (2JVJo)

==========

I'm a bit more tempted to grab Melies' Fairy Tales. It's 13 shorts instead of just one.

Expensive month, though. Scream Factory sale is supposedly Friday, and I already bought in both the Kino and Criterion sales.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford at October 20, 2021 10:43 AM (LvTSG)

174 The people saying "you made X die" have a point

And what would that point be? Guess I'm not understanding.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 20, 2021 10:43 AM (Xrfse)

175 Tyler Bertuzzi would kill Canada!

Posted by: steevy at October 20, 2021 10:43 AM (CYnTg)

176 Prayers for all the Horde

Posted by: vmom - link to Red's fundraiser at October 20, 2021 10:43 AM (YZG/i)

177 Was a mandate passed recently or still threatware?

Posted by: A dude in MI at October 20, 2021 10:43 AM (/6GbT)

178 Rice Krispie Treats are a waste of good ham.

Posted by: Baron Harkonnen at October 20, 2021 10:43 AM (l8gTz)

179 >>Most of America is over covid.


The Northern Tier still has their wave to get through...which will be complicated by Flu Season, if the Flu even exists anymore.

Posted by: garrett at October 20, 2021 10:44 AM (9giBp)

180 161 I don't think the PTB appreciate the cataclysm that's going to hit them if things don't improve for Xmas. It will be fun, though, to watch the virtue signalers who always whine about the true meaning of Xmas being lost to materialism, when their kids have no presents to open. I'm actually looking forward to it, since I think the true meaning of Xmas IS lost to materialism, and my kids are all grown.
Posted by: pep at October 20, 2021 10:41 AM (ZsR3z)

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We already have all Christmas presents purchased. Dolley panicked a bit a month ago when the news started percolating about supply chain issues.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford at October 20, 2021 10:44 AM (LvTSG)

181 167 do it for your own piece of mind.

Posted by: CN at October 20, 2021 10:44 AM (ONvIw)

182 I was reading a post on a hockey blog this morning. Blog is mostly about a single team. Post I was reading was a recap of last night's game. The author felt it necessary to include a stupid graphic and comment about the arena's lax enforcement of vax/test/mask protocols. I'm not joking
Posted by: Doof at October 20, 2021 10:34 AM (mZUr4)

***

I had to watch the Caps on Hulu last night. The announcer were for shit and one of them (color) was a woman. Annoying as hell. I turned down the volume
Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at October 20, 2021 10:40 AM (flINI)


Did you know that I was referring to a Caps blog, or is that a coincidence?

Definitely looking forward to the next game with Joe B and Locker back on the call!!

Posted by: Doof at October 20, 2021 10:44 AM (mZUr4)

183 The Feds can't seriously think parents will put this vaccine into their children?! Kids are hardly impacted by covid, so why take the risk?

**

I think if you go to blue cities you would have no problem seeing who will stand in line to give little six year old Suzy and Timmy this injection. Masks everywhere, people spraying Clorox on their grocery bags when they get them home, etc.

The red and blue areas are literally two different worlds right now.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Leave post-it notes on bare shelves saying Enjoying socialism yet? at October 20, 2021 10:44 AM (NdB+W)

184 Remember the people claiming you are killing grandma if you don't get the clot shot also claimed it was racist to stop people coming here from China AND are currently shuttling COVID infected illegals all over the country.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 20, 2021 10:44 AM (ESjRY)

185 179 >>Most of America is over covid.


The Northern Tier still has their wave to get through...which will be complicated by Flu Season, if the Flu even exists anymore.

Posted by: garrett at October 20, 2021 10:44 AM (9giBp)

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Not according to the PCR tests!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford at October 20, 2021 10:45 AM (LvTSG)

186 Jean and Stewart were in Caravan (1946)

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 20, 2021 10:45 AM (63Dwl)

187 >> I have this problem with authority. T


I fight Authority, Authority always win.

Posted by: John Cougar Mellencamp at October 20, 2021 10:45 AM (9giBp)

188 167 natural immunity made me relax, and it was no worse than a sinus infection and headache. Over in under a week.

Posted by: CN at October 20, 2021 10:45 AM (ONvIw)

189 "You're not a horse. Don't take horse medicine. "



You mean the 2015 Nobel Prize winning medicine?

--

Imagine being the flipping Assistant Health Secretary, of all people...and calling this human drug a "horse medicine." We are so doomed.

Posted by: Lady in Black at October 20, 2021 10:45 AM (sVtYq)

190 Did anyone see the thread on Not The Bee that someone put together of all the videos coming out of China and how they're treating the vaxx? Pulling whole neighborhoods out of their homes to quarantine them, holding people down to vaccinate them, officials barricading people in their homes for quarantine, barbed wire at the borders to keep people in... It's insane. It goes entirely against all the happy TikToks that they've released showing cities as "back to normal." But that's what propagandists do, isn't it?

As sickening as those images are, it's not unimaginable that our federal ogres would keep pushing in that direction.

Posted by: red speck at October 20, 2021 10:45 AM (gS3OW)

191 The people saying "you made X die" have a point

And what would that point be? Guess I'm not understanding.


The point is that if we truly achieved herd immunity, the disease goes away or is drastically reduced. The way to achieve HE is some combo of natural immunity and vaccination. More vaccinations should hurry the development of HE, assuming it has any efficacy at all.

Posted by: pep at October 20, 2021 10:45 AM (ZsR3z)

192 Hmmm. I did not know that.
I bet Muldoon looks good in gingham.
Posted by: Diogenes at October 20, 2021 10:42 AM (axyOa)

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Nah. Some guys just can't pull gingham off.

Posted by: J. Edgar Hoover at October 20, 2021 10:46 AM (VxC1e)

193 43 Wait, strippers don't really like me?
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at October 20, 2021 10:24 AM (xDXlt)

True story:

Went to a strip club in Montreal. Get a private dance. I hear the song change but the girl never asks if I want another song, she just keeps hanging out. I've always been asked if I wanted another song so I figured it was mid-day, maybe she's just bored. I had no false impression she liked me. Anyway, after about 20-25 minutes of dancing, chit chat, what have you, I say I should go back to hang with my friends. I hadn't even completed the sentence when she says, "OK, that was seven songs at $30 a song..." Oh crap. I lied and said my debit card wouldn't work at their ATM and only had $70 cash on me. I was incredulous but my buddy was impressed I got a $140 discount, ha.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 20, 2021 10:46 AM (KbCG3)

194 My mom used to make chocolate puffed wheat squares.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at October 20, 2021 10:46 AM (cSyAR)

195 >>Yep, especially as IVM is being successfully used in India and Japan. This is all bullshit and makes you wonder if its money driven or sinister.

It seems to be a money-driver AND part of the push to insist on vaccination. They want no viable treatments, so you MUST get vaccinated as your only available protection from dying from covid.

There's the money angle with the new jabs and new covid pills, but the there's more to the vaccine push. My guess is that it achieves the paradigm shift into social credit, government-mandated healthcare policies, and whatever the heck it is that Bill Gates wants to do with vaccines? I have no idea, just (as a lot of us) an uneasy feeling about this obsession with forcing 100% vaccination at all costs.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 20, 2021 10:46 AM (bDqIh)

196 I don't think the PTB appreciate the cataclysm that's going to hit them if things don't improve for Xmas.

Amazon! Buy stuff on Amazon!

Problem Solved!

Posted by: The Washington Post Tomorrow! at October 20, 2021 10:46 AM (I2/tG)

197 I think if you go to blue cities you would have no problem seeing who will stand in line to give little six year old Suzy and Timmy this injection. Masks everywhere, people spraying Clorox on their grocery bags when they get them home, etc.

The red and blue areas are literally two different worlds right now.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Leave post-it notes on bare shelves saying Enjoying socialism yet? at October 20, 2021 10:44 AM (NdB+W)

The fakebook celebratory posts will be something else

Posted by: A dude in MI at October 20, 2021 10:46 AM (/6GbT)

198 189. The propaganda is working. Horse medicine and fish tank cleaner

Posted by: CN at October 20, 2021 10:47 AM (ONvIw)

199 The Feds can't seriously think parents will put this vaccine into their children?! Kids are hardly impacted by covid, so why take the risk?

My brother went to a school board meeting to shout them down for *not* requiring masks. He genuinely thinks his kids will die instantly if they get Covid because Rachel Maddow and Don Lemon said so.

Posted by: Ian S. at October 20, 2021 10:47 AM (ZGrMX)

200
The Northern Tier still has their wave to get through...which will be complicated by Flu Season, if the Flu even exists anymore.
Posted by: garrett


Local news said nobody got flu last year but everybody will get it this year.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 20, 2021 10:47 AM (63Dwl)

201 Lots of descending case counts.

Most of America is over covid. Let the ninnies lock themselves up in their houses forever.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford at October 20, 2021 10:40 AM (LvTSG)


Yup -- the problem is, we didn't wait for the ruling class to TELL US that it was ok to be over Covid.

Posted by: Doof at October 20, 2021 10:47 AM (mZUr4)

202 Anyone else looking forward to telling their favorite lefty, "I told you so" when the empty shelves start affecting them?

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at October 20, 2021 10:47 AM (XRi0q)

203 Just heard a caller on a talk radio show claim that employees at Sandia National Labs have been warned that if they don't take the jab, that not only will they be terminated -- but they will be placed on the Domestic Terrorist Watchlist by the Biden Junta.

Obviously not verified, but sounds like a Babylon Bee headline that will eventually become true ...

Posted by: ShainS -- State-Stamped Sluggish Schizophrenic at October 20, 2021 10:47 AM (hRPGI)

204 I was reading a post on a hockey blog this morning. Blog is mostly about a single team. Post I was reading was a recap of last night's game. The author felt it necessary to include a stupid graphic and comment about the arena's lax enforcement of vax/test/mask protocols. I'm not joking
Posted by: Doof at October 20, 2021 10:34 AM (mZUr4)

**

You owe it to the writer and readers to link the NYT COVID tracker where you can scroll down to see the states. Draw special attention to the SEC states where the 100K+ football stadiums have been packed every weekend for over a month now, and cases have been dropping like rocks ever since.

nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/
covid-cases.html

Right now Alabama is -44%. That is over the last two weeks. It has been around the -40%s for a month.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Leave post-it notes on bare shelves saying Enjoying socialism yet? at October 20, 2021 10:47 AM (NdB+W)

205 Colin Powell died so that I may live.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at October 20, 2021 10:47 AM (VxC1e)

206 From the last thread, Willowed

How is it that the tranny commissioned yesterday already has 4 ribbons?
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon

The buried and ignored lede:

How is it that the position even exists? How is it that we now have an eighth branch of the military, turned inwards, towards us, called the Health Corps, with commissioned military officers? How is it that everyone is focused on the cat-laser tranny and not the bigger, more nightmarish picture?

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at October 20, 2021 10:47 AM (OssQ4)

207 I just read a thing that says powell died via assisted suicide

Posted by: vmom - link to Red's fundraiser at October 20, 2021 10:47 AM (YZG/i)

208 Thus I willowed myself
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at October 20, 2021 10:26 AM (UOGTL)

Keepin' it real and proving that COBs are morons too!
Posted by: Doof at October 20, 2021 10:29 AM (mZUr4)


I'll never be greater than ace, though, and I'm talking about the time he managed to accidentally ban himself.

From his own blog.

Which will never not be funny.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at October 20, 2021 10:48 AM (UOGTL)

209 By the time my daughters were old enough, there was more than five years of safety data on the vaccine--data that could only be accumulated through the passage of time. At that point, the risk/reward data favored getting the vaccine, and all of my daughters got all three doses.

5 years data cannot really tell you what the long-term risk is. Look into the history of hormone replacement therapy and its association with breast cancer for an example. For a long time, the medical establishment rightly insisted that there was no demonstrated association. And then there was. When dealing with relatively small associations (and most associations are small; very little produces the kind of startling numbers you see for smoking, for example), it usually takes a mountain of data to detect them (lots of people over long time periods). I'm not saying we should assume things are risky in the long term, but "I don't know" is a perfectly reasonable scientific answer.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at October 20, 2021 10:48 AM (QU5/8)

210 The point is that if we truly achieved herd immunity, the disease goes away or is drastically reduced. The way to achieve HE is some combo of natural immunity and vaccination. More vaccinations should hurry the development of HE, assuming it has any efficacy at all.
Posted by: pep at October 20, 2021 10:45 AM (ZsR3z)

Per the people pushing the "vaccine", it will not prevent people from getting the disease. It will make the symptoms less severe. People who have the vaccine and are infected will still spread the disease.

Secondly, trying to achieve herd immunity against the flu or common cold(coronaviruses would typically be categorized with the latter) is daft. They simply mutate too fast for that to be viable.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 20, 2021 10:48 AM (z5Vrg)

211 >>The point is that if we truly achieved herd immunity, the disease goes away or is drastically reduced. The way to achieve HE is some combo of natural immunity and vaccination. More vaccinations should hurry the development of HE,


That assumes the Vax provides ANY souce of immunity...hich it does not.

Posted by: garrett at October 20, 2021 10:48 AM (9giBp)

212 195 i hope his daughter's wedding was a super spreader

Posted by: CN at October 20, 2021 10:48 AM (ONvIw)

213 Likewise, those saying "how am I a threat to you if you're vaccinated and I'm not", also have a partially correct point.

Then you are completely missing the real point.

I am not your lab rat.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at October 20, 2021 10:48 AM (+LCoQ)

214 Well, I made some black as night coffee to drink, did an extra round of morning bodyweight exercises, took a coldish shower, shaved, and I feel a little bit more human. Still a bit hibernation-curious but I think I'll make it through the afternoon at least before trying to slip back into bed.

Posted by: banana Dream at October 20, 2021 10:48 AM (rLfOT)

215 The same wine moms that were afraid to give their kids any vaccines because Jenny McCarthy said it was dangerous now want their kids to get this one....

Posted by: steevy at October 20, 2021 10:48 AM (CYnTg)

216 The problem with long-term effects is that they take a long time to show up. Those effects are, at this point, unknown and unknowable. God willing, they will be minimal (or even zero). But it's perfectly reasonable to be unwilling to take that risk, or subject your children to it, when the disease itself is not serious in the vast majority of cases.

Posted by: Cybernetic at October 20, 2021 10:38 AM (xawZJ)

Exactly. My early theory was that they wanted the hospital resources to remain open for the oligarchs and privileged classes. Thus the need for lockdowns, the "essential" worker class, the destruction of businesses (even when it became apparent that it was less than 1% fatal, with effective therapeutics denied), and now the vax mandates and the worthless mask requirements that the oligarchs and privileged classes. If they need high quality and responsive medical care, then the reduction in hospital visits by the mask mandates ensures that access remains available.

Posted by: flounder at October 20, 2021 10:48 AM (KnJdm)

217 The red and blue areas are literally two different worlds right now.

That's certainly true in Oregon.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 20, 2021 10:48 AM (I2/tG)

218 Science! CNN chyron slams Sen. Manchin for not allowing President Biden to bring better weather

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I didn't even know Manchin was Jewish!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 20, 2021 10:49 AM (d9FiS)

219 We already have all Christmas presents purchased. Dolley panicked a bit a month ago when the news started percolating about supply chain issues.

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It's so weird how Karmella was able to predict it, isn't it?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Leave post-it notes on bare shelves saying Enjoying socialism yet? at October 20, 2021 10:49 AM (NdB+W)

220 The point is that if we truly achieved herd immunity, the disease goes away or is drastically reduced.

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Sounds like we should have just let the virus burn itself out naturally.

Posted by: SH (Non-Expert) at October 20, 2021 10:49 AM (sX1BW)

221 Got the jab back when it was optional and recommended for somoene of my over 29-ness. Had it been mandatory, I'd of passed on it. I will not take the booster. Eff 'em.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 20, 2021 10:49 AM (axyOa)

222 Definitely looking forward to the next game with Joe B and Locker back on the call!!
Posted by: Doof at October 20, 2021 10:44 AM (mZUr4)
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They are the best. I like that they don't have the typical "announcer guy" voices and they ALWAYS call a great game.

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at October 20, 2021 10:49 AM (flINI)

223 I was reading a post on a hockey blog this morning. Blog is mostly about a single team. Post I was reading was a recap of last night's game. The author felt it necessary to include a stupid graphic and comment about the arena's lax enforcement of vax/test/mask protocols. I'm not joking

Posted by: Doof at October 20, 2021 10:34 AM (mZUr4)

How does he feel about Climate Change?
Posted by: BignJames at October 20, 2021 10:36 AM (AwYPR)


Probably is super duper a-scared of it.

Posted by: Doof at October 20, 2021 10:49 AM (mZUr4)

224 I'll never be greater than ace, though, and I'm talking about the time he managed to accidentally ban himself.

From his own blog.

Which will never not be funny.


Ace "accidentally" posting busty lesbian pr0n was funnier, but also more expected.

Posted by: Ian S. at October 20, 2021 10:49 AM (ZGrMX)

225 As sickening as those images are, it's not unimaginable that our federal ogres would keep pushing in that direction.
Posted by: red speck at October 20, 2021 10:45 AM (gS3OW)

Remember when images and videos of people COLLAPSING and or dead in the street at the beginning of this whole fraud?

Posted by: A dude in MI at October 20, 2021 10:50 AM (/6GbT)

226 The same wine moms that were afraid to give their kids any vaccines because Jenny McCarthy said it was dangerous now want their kids to get this one....

Don't forget Oprah too as she pushed the British medical researcher that faked his data on the public.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 20, 2021 10:50 AM (ESjRY)

227 >>That's certainly true in Oregon.


Those fuckers are all moving here, too!

I think half of Bend has moved into the valley I live in this year, alone.

Posted by: garrett at October 20, 2021 10:50 AM (9giBp)

228 >Not only that, it's the most rigorously tested vaccine in the history of vaccines (actual email my husband received from the HR department).
Posted by: Jordan61 at October 20, 2021 10:24 AM (Ez6QX)

I guess if they mean that we are currently running the largest Phase 3 trial in history, on an unsuspecting population.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at October 20, 2021 10:50 AM (cSs/W)

229 207 oops not assisted suicide - plsin old suicide (sleeping pill overdose)
Just a rumor

Posted by: vmom - link to Red's fundraiser at October 20, 2021 10:50 AM (YZG/i)

230 That assumes the Vax provides ANY souce of immunity...hich it does not.

Posted by: garrett at October 20, 2021 10:48 AM (

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I'm assuming the vaccine exacerbates the problems with COVID.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at October 20, 2021 10:50 AM (XRi0q)

231 The point is that if we truly achieved herd immunity, the disease goes away or is drastically reduced. The way to achieve HE is some combo of natural immunity and vaccination. More vaccinations should hurry the development of HE, assuming it has any efficacy at all.

Now explain how that works when there are animal reservoirs.

The chimera made by Gate, Fauchi, China et al is now endemic.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at October 20, 2021 10:50 AM (+LCoQ)

232 How is it that the position even exists? How is it that we now have an eighth branch of the military, turned inwards, towards us, called the Health Corps, with commissioned military officers? How is it that everyone is focused on the cat-laser tranny and not the bigger, more nightmarish picture?

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at October 20, 2021 10:47 AM (OssQ4)


Because I thought they invented a new position just so they had a new way to congratulate themselves. Which they do all the time. Lefties are psychologically very fragile and so must keep reassuring themselves, constantly, that they're wonderful, they're great, they're good.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at October 20, 2021 10:50 AM (UOGTL)

233 220 The point is that if we truly achieved herd immunity, the disease goes away or is drastically reduced.

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Sounds like we should have just let the virus burn itself out naturally.
Posted by: SH (Non-Expert) at October 20, 2021 10:49 AM (sX1BW

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"But my Jimmy will die! He's 7 and can't fight off the illness!"
"Five seven year old boys have died with covid since the start of the pandemic. 5."
"AND JIMMY WILL BE SIX!"

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford at October 20, 2021 10:50 AM (LvTSG)

234 More vaccinations should hurry the development of HE, assuming it has any efficacy at all.

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More non-sterilizing vaccinations will hurry the development of vaccine-resistant mutations, and nothing more.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Leave post-it notes on bare shelves saying Enjoying socialism yet? at October 20, 2021 10:50 AM (NdB+W)

235 >>Sounds like we should have just let the virus burn itself out naturally.


We should have approached this the way moms approach ChickenPox.

Isolate the elders and encourage the spread.

Posted by: garrett at October 20, 2021 10:51 AM (9giBp)

236 Per the people pushing the "vaccine", it will not prevent people from getting the disease. It will make the symptoms less severe. People who have the vaccine and are infected will still spread the disease.

Secondly, trying to achieve herd immunity against the flu or common cold(coronaviruses would typically be categorized with the latter) is daft. They simply mutate too fast for that to be viable.


What I have read is that it does prevent most people from getting the disease, and that it lessens the symptoms of those who still get it.

Your argument about mutation has merit, but we do still provide flu vaccines for a reason.

Posted by: pep at October 20, 2021 10:51 AM (ZsR3z)

237 Definitely looking forward to the next game with Joe B and Locker back on the call!!
Posted by: Doof at October 20, 2021 10:44 AM (mZUr4)
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They are the best. I like that they don't have the typical "announcer guy" voices and they ALWAYS call a great game.
Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at October 20, 2021 10:49 AM (flINI)


Do you ever listen to John Walton calling the game on CAPS radio? He's really good too.

Posted by: Doof at October 20, 2021 10:51 AM (mZUr4)

238 Colin Powell died so that I may live.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at October 20, 2021 10:47 AM (VxC1e)

I didn't vax, just so I could watch him die.

Posted by: flounder at October 20, 2021 10:51 AM (KnJdm)

239 Had it been mandatory, I'd of passed on it. I will not take the booster. Eff 'em.

The Junta wants to push the booster on everyone - if you got your shot early this year any protection it gave you is gone now.

But they fear that if they try to do so before they forced the majority of the country to get the original shot they'll have a real insurrection on their hands.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 20, 2021 10:51 AM (ESjRY)

240 I live in an area where nobody has given a shit about the Chyna Flu for over a year. It's a non entity for the vast majority of people. Masks are a rarrity.

Drive 45 minutes away to the "big city" and it's like we're back to April 2020, masks everywhere, social distancing, etc still in place.

Two Americas.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at October 20, 2021 10:51 AM (xDXlt)

241 Not only that, it's the most rigorously tested vaccine in the history of vaccines (actual email my husband received from the HR department).
Posted by: Jordan61 at October 20, 2021 10:24 AM (Ez6QX)

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(goes to find that CDC link where they explicitly state it takes more than 10 years to develop and release a vaccine)

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Leave post-it notes on bare shelves saying Enjoying socialism yet? at October 20, 2021 10:51 AM (NdB+W)

242 I am not your lab rat.

Posted by: Reuben Hick


Do you get vertigo up on that high horse?

Posted by: pep at October 20, 2021 10:51 AM (ZsR3z)

243 >>I'm assuming the vaccine exacerbates the problems with COVID.


There is more evidence for this than for the 'Vax' encouraging immunity.

Posted by: garrett at October 20, 2021 10:51 AM (9giBp)

244 "how am I a threat to you if you're vaccinated and I'm not", also have a partially correct point.
Posted by: pep


They have a full on 100% point. If you are vaccinated against polio, and I don't have polio, how am I a threat to you?

Oh, wait. Polio vaccine IS a real vaccine.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 20, 2021 10:51 AM (OCTRt)

245 I'm not a doctor but I believe the antibody test for "think I had covid" only shows antibodies for a few months after the infection. That is what the CDC is using to claim you still need to get jabbed even if you have a documented infection and recovery.

And, really not a doctor, but natural immunity can still provide protection via T-cell memory or something where your body is pre-primed and can start cranking out antibodies very quickly if it sees the virus. BUT the feds won't waive jab requirements for folks who have documented recovery from covid-19. I think they'll only defer the req. for 3 months

Posted by: PaleRider, wrecker vaccine resister at October 20, 2021 10:52 AM (pxVvf)

246 I think half of Bend has moved into the valley I live in this year, alone.

Now That I'm Here, It's Time To Ban Plastic Straws!

Posted by: Democrats Fleeing Blue Areas! at October 20, 2021 10:52 AM (I2/tG)

247 Ace "accidentally" posting busty lesbian pr0n was funnier, but also more expected.

For a while, many of us became overnight fans of women's collegiate pole vaulting.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at October 20, 2021 10:52 AM (+LCoQ)

248 Ace "accidentally" posting busty lesbian pr0n was funnier, but also more expected.

Posted by: Ian S. at October 20, 2021 10:49 AM (ZGrMX)


I'm still kicking myself for not grabbing a screen shot of that.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at October 20, 2021 10:52 AM (UOGTL)

249 It's like the number one priority in the country right now is not public health, but rather the profits of the drug manufacturers. So the only solutions that will be allowed are the ones that are patentable.

No - the majority of those that scold you on the street, or much more often on the Internet - haven't even thought it through that far. They don't give a shit if Pfizer makes a mint off this.

This is the same old song and dance I've seen my not quite fifty years. When I was a kid ... it was all about wearing your hat indoors, or the proper posture during the anthem. And especially when I was younger, rural in the Bible Belt, what you did on Sundays.

This is a scold society - always has been. And nothing warms the heart of a scold more than being on their perceived right side of an issue that takes minimal effort. Such as - did you take off your cap inside ? Did you hold your hand on your heart during the song ? And did you show up to take a jab that you didn't have to pay for in cash on the spot.

Posted by: Working for Peanuts at October 20, 2021 10:52 AM (+1Ie+)

250 Sounds like we should have just let the virus burn itself out naturally.

That's a different argument. I probably would go for vaccinating the elderly and those with PECs, but let it burn itself out in the rest, as you say.

Posted by: pep at October 20, 2021 10:52 AM (ZsR3z)

251 Per the people pushing the "vaccine", it will not prevent people from getting the disease. It will make the symptoms less severe.

It *does* raise the bar of how much virus you need to be exposed to in order to get sick, but that's a very high bar for normal people already.

Posted by: Ian S. at October 20, 2021 10:52 AM (ZGrMX)

252 What I have read is that it does prevent most people from getting the disease, and that it lessens the symptoms of those who still get it.

Published numbers currently show a higher incidence of covid infection among those that had gotten the shot then those who have not.

It does not stop transmission and in fact seems to make it more likely.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 20, 2021 10:53 AM (ESjRY)

253 Here you go:

cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/ensuringsafety
/history/index.html

"Vaccine licensing is a lengthy process that can take 10 years or longer. The FDA requires that vaccines undergo three phases of clinical trials with human subjects before they can be licensed for use in the general public..."

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Leave post-it notes on bare shelves saying Enjoying socialism yet? at October 20, 2021 10:53 AM (NdB+W)

254 Almost lunch

Posted by: Skip's Phone at October 20, 2021 10:53 AM (jc1m8)

255 We already have all Christmas presents purchased. Dolley panicked a bit a month ago when the news started percolating about supply chain issues.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford at October 20, 2021


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I plan to take care of the few presents I need this month. Miss Linda's birthday is 12/1, so better that I not wait too long.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 20, 2021 10:53 AM (/XOcP)

256 215 The same wine moms that were afraid to give their kids any vaccines because Jenny McCarthy said it was dangerous now want their kids to get this one....
Posted by: steevy at October 20, 2021 10:48 AM (CYnTg)


Being antivaxx went from being an acceptable liberal position to "those stupid conservatives!" when they needed to smear parents who weren't fans of forcing their 13 year old daughters to get a vaccine for an STD.

Posted by: Buzzion at October 20, 2021 10:53 AM (G2zl5)

257 It's funny how people look at you like you have two heads when you mention that fact that you don't trust The Authorities since they've changed every statement of "fact" about coof and the clot shot since this whole shit show started.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at October 20, 2021 10:53 AM (cSs/W)

258 Nah. Some guys just can't pull gingham off.
Posted by: J. Edgar Hoover at October 20, 2021 10:46 AM


The Paolo, he has never had a problem with, as you say, pulling the gingham off. Mostly, the Paolo finds that the women have done this for him.

Posted by: Paolo at October 20, 2021 10:53 AM (m+jkK)

259 Ace "accidentally" posting busty lesbian pr0n was funnier, but also more expected.
Posted by: Ian S. at October 20, 2021 10:49 AM (ZGrMX)
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Thank goodness Ace doesn't post screenshots of his open tabs, like Brit Hume made the mistake of once doing.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 20, 2021 10:54 AM (BRQzG)

260 Do you ever listen to John Walton calling the game on CAPS radio? He's really good too.
Posted by: Doof at October 20, 2021 10:51 AM (mZUr4)

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Nope... But I will now that some of the Caps games have been espn'd and Hulu'd. The PC bullshit is just too much for me. Where do you find the Caps blog?

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at October 20, 2021 10:54 AM (flINI)

261 No matter how much manpower or money you throw at it, it still takes nine months to make a baby.
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But nine women can make a baby in one month, amirite?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 20, 2021 10:54 AM (YqDXo)

262 I didn't get a shot in Reno, just to watch him die

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at October 20, 2021 10:54 AM (cSyAR)

263 Do you get vertigo up on that high horse?
Posted by: pep at October 20, 2021 10:51 AM (ZsR3z)


Nah, but I hear that is an occasional adverse reaction to those who have received the mRNA Clot Shot.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at October 20, 2021 10:54 AM (+LCoQ)

264 I submitted my exemption request to my employer last week.

It seems the gears are grinding slowly. I was asked yesterday a couple questions by my manager (who works in a different facility in a different state than I do, and has never met me in person) about what sorts of "accommodations" I would be willing to accept, such as working different days than other people, working from home more, etc...

So it sounds to me like corporate is pondering "clean" shifts and "unclean" shifts. We unwashed dissenters will be put into second shift or a Thursday-Sunday work week. How much of these details are being required by the government VS. how much of them are home-brew because they truly believe this is a good and prosperous path they are heading down, I do not know.

Posted by: reason at October 20, 2021 10:54 AM (ePZfA)

265 PaleRider. I've heard the same. I understand there is a test for T cells. Looked at them online but you do need to have blood drawn before you can send it in. Haven't figured out how to do that to myself. Yet!

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at October 20, 2021 10:54 AM (2NHgQ)

266 The Paolo, he has never had a problem with, as you say, pulling the gingham off.
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I laughed.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 20, 2021 10:54 AM (BRQzG)

267 I was incredulous but my buddy was impressed I got a $140 discount, ha.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 20, 2021 10:46 AM (KbCG3)

When I was stationed in WA, a friend wanted to take me to his favorite spot...sure enough, it turned out to be some strip joint. I detest strip clubs.

Anyway, first girl immediately spies me and comes over and dances...I was embarrassed, so I gave her $5 and off she went to another customer. My friend looked at me and said "see, you're already a hit!"

"You mean because she liked me?" I sneered.

"Of course!" he replied. "You look like Abe Lincoln!"

Posted by: Boswell at October 20, 2021 10:54 AM (5iUNf)

268 238 Colin Powell died so that I may live.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at October 20, 2021 10:47 AM (VxC1e)

I didn't vax, just so I could watch him die.
Posted by: flounder at October 20, 2021 10:51 AM (KnJdm)

Be still my heart, flounder! LOL

Posted by: Bonnie Blue - the anti-DOTE at October 20, 2021 10:55 AM (hlxe7)

269 Here's a little observation about mRNA vaccine technology that I have wondered about.

One of the purported advantages of mRNA vaccines over traditional vaccines is the rapid turnaround time from antigen (e.g. novel virus) identification to actual scaled up amount of vaccine production. So a vaccine can be brought to market at scale very quickly.

So, we've known about the Delta variant for what, 6+ months now? Why have the drug companies not developed and begun pushing a version of the mRNA vaccine specifically targeting Delta variant instead of continuing the original mRNA formulation?

Posted by: Muldoon at October 20, 2021 10:55 AM (5Woea)

270 Per the people pushing the "vaccine", it will not prevent people from getting the disease. It will make the symptoms less severe.

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Except not even a month ago it WAS that it would prevent you from getting the disease, and that was straight from the CDC:

https://tinyurl.com/n67xvcbt

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Leave post-it notes on bare shelves saying Enjoying socialism yet? at October 20, 2021 10:55 AM (NdB+W)

271 I'm assuming the vaccine exacerbates the problems with COVID.
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at October 20, 2021 10:50 AM (XRi0q)

My theory is that the Gene Therapy does make your body create Anti Covid antibodies, but at the expense of your immune system being able to fight other threats.

Because your body is not only seeing Covid as a threat, but also the area that the Gene Therapy is used on, needs to be fixed as well. This is why you have diminishing Covid Antibodies, your body is rejecting the Gene Modification from the MRNA shot.

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 20, 2021 10:55 AM (oHd/0)

272 Keepin' it real and proving that COBs are morons too!
Posted by: Doof at October 20, 2021 10:29 AM (mZUr4)

I'll never be greater than ace, though, and I'm talking about the time he managed to accidentally ban himself.

From his own blog.

Which will never not be funny.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at October 20, 2021 10:48 AM (UOGTL)


An equivalent for you might be forgetting to wear pants to your own book thread.

Posted by: Doof at October 20, 2021 10:55 AM (mZUr4)

273 It's funny how people look at you like you have two heads when you mention that fact that you don't trust The Authorities

The stock argument you get back is something like "well we learned more".

And then when you ask why Fauci told a friend in a private email that masks do nothing AFTER calling for a mask mandate yeah...then you get the odd look.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 20, 2021 10:55 AM (ESjRY)

274 They have a full on 100% point. If you are vaccinated against polio, and I don't have polio, how am I a threat to you?

Oh, wait. Polio vaccine IS a real vaccine.


But that's my point. It's not 100% effective.

Posted by: pep at October 20, 2021 10:55 AM (ZsR3z)

275 >>I think if you go to blue cities you would have no problem seeing who will stand in line to give little six year old Suzy and Timmy this injection.


The same mommies who take their kids to PussyHat marches, Pride parades, and are super proud of their trans toddler on social media!

Posted by: Lizzy at October 20, 2021 10:55 AM (bDqIh)

276 Your argument about mutation has merit, but we do still provide flu vaccines for a reason.
Posted by: pep at October 20, 2021 10:51 AM (ZsR3z)

We don't provide flu vaccines under the assumption that we'll eradicate the flu. You either get sufficient exposure to be infected or you don't. With diseases like flus or colds, you almost always will, so the question of whether others present a risk of infection is basically irrelevant. It simply comes down to how effective whatever vaccine or medication you take is or how strong your immune system is.

The whole endless booster thing was predictable and predicted.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 20, 2021 10:56 AM (z5Vrg)

277 The aliens are doing rice fields now?

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 20, 2021 10:56 AM (r5BVk)

278 PaleRider. I've heard the same. I understand there is a test for T cells. Looked at them online but you do need to have blood drawn before you can send it in. Haven't figured out how to do that to myself. Yet!

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at October 20, 2021 10:54 AM (2NHgQ)


I hit my head on sharp corner of shelving and then Heidi slapped a hot iron on it.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at October 20, 2021 10:56 AM (RoIW/)

279 Because I thought they invented a new position just so they had a new way to congratulate themselves. Which they do all the time. Lefties are psychologically very fragile and so must keep reassuring themselves, constantly, that they're wonderful, they're great, they're good.
Posted by: OregonMuse

The official statement says that the Health Corps is the eighth branch of the military. With (over) 9,000 (troops?) people under the command of the new Admiral. This is cause for alarm, yet -- as far as I can tell -- there is none being raised. Other than a tranny is the Admiral. Like if it were anyone else, a new health Gestapo wouldn't be a problem.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at October 20, 2021 10:56 AM (OssQ4)

280 That rice-field art needs a "Lets Go, Brandon!" in there somewhere.

Posted by: irright at October 20, 2021 10:56 AM (SchQD)

281 So, we've known about the Delta variant for what, 6+ months now? Why have the drug companies not developed and begun pushing a version of the mRNA vaccine specifically targeting Delta variant instead of continuing the original mRNA formulation?

Because Delta is a media hype nothingburger.

Posted by: Ian S. at October 20, 2021 10:56 AM (ZGrMX)

282 Drive 45 minutes away to the "big city" and it's like we're back to April 2020, masks everywhere, social distancing, etc still in place.

Portland: People wear masks in stores, and most people are masked up walking outside. Many people are masked driving alone in their cars.

Suburbs: Most people wear masks in stores, and almost nobody is masked up walking outside.

Most Of Rural Oregon: Masks? What masks?

Posted by: Democrats Fleeing Blue Areas! at October 20, 2021 10:56 AM (I2/tG)

283 Why have the drug companies not developed and begun pushing a version of the mRNA vaccine specifically targeting Delta variant instead of continuing the original mRNA formulation?

The only answer I've ever gotten to this question is "the original formulation is good enough and they have to do something with all of it that they made"

Posted by: 18-1 at October 20, 2021 10:56 AM (ESjRY)

284 If you don't take the vaccine, how are we going to test it?

Posted by: The CDC at October 20, 2021 10:57 AM (JioHo)

285 For a while, many of us became overnight fans of women's collegiate pole vaulting.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at October 20, 2021 10:52 AM (+LCoQ)
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Big time.

Posted by: Rickie Fowler at October 20, 2021 10:57 AM (BRQzG)

286 277 The aliens are doing rice fields now?
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 20, 2021 10:56 AM (r5BVk)
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Diversification.

Posted by: Weasel at October 20, 2021 10:57 AM (h0K04)

287 For those of you in West Virginia, how is the face diaper/vax situation going? The bigger cities yes, the outlying areas not so much? (I really like what I'm finding out about the state as a retirement bolthole.)

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 20, 2021 10:57 AM (/XOcP)

288 270 Per the people pushing the "vaccine", it will not prevent people from getting the disease. It will make the symptoms less severe.

**

Except not even a month ago it WAS that it would prevent you from getting the disease, and that was straight from the CDC:

https://tinyurl.com/n67xvcbt
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Leave post-it notes on bare shelves saying Enjoying socialism yet? at October 20, 2021 10:55 AM (NdB+W)

Well it's changed a few times now so who can really say what it's supposed to do.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 20, 2021 10:57 AM (z5Vrg)

289 Sounds like we should have just let the virus burn itself out naturally.

Posted by: SH (Non-Expert) at October 20, 2021 10:49 AM (sX1BW)


Exactly what I think. Virus gonna virus.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at October 20, 2021 10:57 AM (UOGTL)

290 The Paolo, he has never had a problem with, as you say, pulling the gingham off.
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I laughed.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 20, 2021 10:54 AM


My work here is done.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 20, 2021 10:57 AM (m+jkK)

291 Published numbers currently show a higher incidence of covid infection among those that had gotten the shot then those who have not.

It does not stop transmission and in fact seems to make it more likely.


I'm still going to go with the Natural Immunity > mRNA faux immunity.

And we really don't know because the data are so screwed up. Is it still a thing to be infected but asymptomatic?

Posted by: Reuben Hick at October 20, 2021 10:57 AM (+LCoQ)

292 We've decided not to take it as well, and now my husband has gotten the "get vaxxed or get axed" memo from work. Applying for an exemption. *fingers crossed*

The entire way the govt has handled covid from not preaching any ways to increase the robustness of your immune system before we had vaccines to the denial of natural immunity and OSHA now saying employers aren't going to be required to report any adverse side effects so as they might affect people's willingness to get jabbed, has been atrocious. They do not care about your health one iota.

Found an NPR article from 2017 saying nearly 30% of FDA medications got recalled after approval between 2001-2010 after discovering they had major safety issues.

The average length of time before those safety issues was found was 4.2 years.

So please pardon me while I sit on the sidelines and wait a while to see what plays out.

Posted by: DesertGardens at October 20, 2021 10:57 AM (J5P9D)

293 I believe there was a more insidious reason for pushing
vaccine over treatment. There is some evidence of Dr. Fauci on a panel discussing the need to move away from the tried and true methods of generating vaccines making an inert or non-infectious strain of virus that is incubated in egg albumin and moving to new technologies that are more rapid/responsive --- and using health scares/pandemic to do it.

So this vaccine product is a very new approach - and is unfortunately being tested the population at large under the guise of health crisis/pandemic - for a virus that has a 99.6+% recovery rate. Seems odd, almost tailor made to the situation. Imma gonna go adjust my foil hat now.

Posted by: An Ordinary Citizen at October 20, 2021 10:57 AM (XjOU1)

294 "Normally, it takes several years to develop and test a new vaccine adequately until it can be cleared for public use. And now they want us to believe that they can do it in a matter of months?

Something doesn't smell right."

This is a common and wholly understandable concern that many people have with these vaccines. The issue is that it is a complete misunderstanding of how these particular vaccines were developed. They've been working on SARS COVID vaxes since 2002 when the SARS COVID-1 outbreak occurred. They've had vaccines like these for years. The current vaccines are just "tweaks" to fit the profile of SARS COVID-2. The reason it took 18 months to get them wasn't because it took long to develop; the 18 months was the test period to make sure that they worked and that they were safe.

The emergency auths just bypassed the PAPERWORK, not the safety and efficacy tests. And these vaxes aren't "new" by any means. Just tweaked versions of existing vaxes. Like they do with the flu vax every year.

Posted by: Goober at October 20, 2021 10:57 AM (Hgvgt)

295 I'm not getting the shot - I'd rather just get Covid, if I have to. i'm comfortable with a 99.9% survival rate, especially if you don't let the hospitals take charge of it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 20, 2021 10:57 AM (trdmm)

296 Why have the drug companies not developed and begun pushing a version of the mRNA vaccine specifically targeting Delta variant instead of continuing the original mRNA formulation?

**

It's pretty simple if you think about it.

There are 150M+ unsold original doses sitting in a cooler.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Leave post-it notes on bare shelves saying Enjoying socialism yet? at October 20, 2021 10:58 AM (NdB+W)

297 The aliens are doing rice fields now?
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 20, 2021 10:56 AM (r5BVk)
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Diversification.
Posted by: Weasel at October 20, 2021 10:57 AM


Easier than cattle mutilations. Less noisy, too.

Posted by: The Aliens at October 20, 2021 10:58 AM (m+jkK)

298 Vitamin C is extremely easy to get w/o supplementing. Don't overdo it.
Posted by: SFGoth

Overdone Vitamin C is simply expelled via urine. It doesn't do harm like some can.
Posted by: rickb223


For instance, "Airborne" brand vitamins give you 833% of your daily Vitamin C in one dose.

But only 7% of your Vitamin A, since overdosing on that is bad.

Posted by: mikeski at October 20, 2021 10:58 AM (P1f+c)

299 Do you get vertigo up on that high horse?
Posted by: pep

Nah, but I hear that is an occasional adverse reaction to those who have received the mRNA Clot Shot.
Posted by: Reuben Hick


Rueben, you heard that joke too? I hear it just slays audiences.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 20, 2021 10:59 AM (OCTRt)

300 I think if you go to blue cities you would have no problem seeing who will stand in line to give little six year old Suzy and Timmy this injection.

Possibly, but folks in the blue state of N.J.( Actually, we have a lot of pockets that reliably vote R, but they are outweighed by cities) are at least- if the local online is any indication-90% or more opposed to giving the vaccine to their kids. One poster said "Over my dead body" and a second "friendly and respectful" poster replied, "You're teasing me."

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 20, 2021 10:59 AM (ueGNX)

301 Your argument about mutation has merit, but we do still provide flu vaccines for a reason.

The flu shot is a 100 year old technology with very rare and well understood side effects.

So taking that shot that is not sanitizing but does provide some protection is a good investment.

But the effectiveness of the clot shot is under question, there are serious short term side effects - including death - and the long term affects are not known.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 20, 2021 10:59 AM (ESjRY)

302 An equivalent for you might be forgetting to wear pants to your own book thread.

Posted by: Doof at October 20, 2021 10:55 AM (mZUr4)


What?

( *shifty eyes* )

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at October 20, 2021 10:59 AM (UOGTL)

303 Being antivaxx went from being an acceptable liberal position to "those stupid conservatives!" when they needed to smear parents who weren't fans of forcing their 13 year old daughters to get a vaccine for an STD.

And mocking the anti-vaxx crowd went from "damn right I took my shots, why do they feel to good to take theirs ? " to "why does the government get to make this decision ?".

I just want consistency - and people to remember. Anti-Vaxxers were always mocked, and loudly, by the Right Wing. Because the Anti-Vaxxers were mostly Left Wing. The entire argument has never been framed around the notions of individual choice and small government. Just around which wing was perceived to be in charge at the time. For the longest time, even when Republicans could see they weren't officially in charge - they've always assumed this notion of Silent Majority.

Posted by: Working for Peanuts at October 20, 2021 10:59 AM (+1Ie+)

304 Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 20, 2021 10:42 AM (/XOcP)

Pretty much the same thing here, except I rode it out, and fatigue and residual sinusitis ran through mid-January 2020.

Posted by: flounder at October 20, 2021 10:59 AM (KnJdm)

305

I took the Pfizer, but had them shoot it up my dick hole and immediately went to the bathroom and peed it out.

If my bladder grows a tail, I'm going to be pissed.

Posted by: Dr Nick Riviera at October 20, 2021 10:59 AM (a1fMq)

306 Eleanor Parker?

Posted by: teh wind at October 20, 2021 11:00 AM (fVZkX)

307 Expensive month, though. Scream Factory sale is supposedly Friday, and I already bought in both the Kino and Criterion sales.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford at October 20, 2021 10:43 AM (LvTSG)


Yeah, I was looking at my collection the other day thinking about whether to add more on. I'm in a post-writing funk (as well as a work funk) and don't feel like doing much of anything.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 20, 2021 11:00 AM (2JVJo)

308 I think half of Bend has moved into the valley I live in this year, alone.

Now That I'm Here, It's Time To Ban Plastic Straws!
Posted by: Democrats Fleeing Blue Areas! at October 20, 2021 10:52 AM (I2/tG)
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You know, Marx really did have some good ideas.

Posted by: Democrats from Bend at October 20, 2021 11:00 AM (axyOa)

309 Maybe the vaccine is so that the aliens are able to eat you without exploding.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 20, 2021 11:00 AM (r5BVk)

310 "Is it still a thing to be infected but asymptomatic?"

Yes. I know of at least three people in the last month that had it and didn't really have much in the way of symptoms. They got tested because they were exposed to someone.

None were vaxxed, BTW.

Posted by: Goober at October 20, 2021 11:00 AM (Hgvgt)

311 There ARE decent enough girls working the pole, but the vast majority are predators.

I've had girls hang out with me most of the night when they were done with their sets and I've had girls try to soak me for multiple songs like the moron above.

I always felt strangely at home in strip clubs overall, but they're ultimately just candy or a band-aid.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Failure happens, giving up is a choice at October 20, 2021 11:00 AM (XvPQV)

312 Unfortunately, the marriage only lasted 3 years, ending when David died from brain lymphoma in 2003.

So it only took her 3 years to kill him.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at October 20, 2021 11:00 AM (WMFZO)

313 281 So, we've known about the Delta variant for what, 6+ months now? Why have the drug companies not developed and begun pushing a version of the mRNA vaccine specifically targeting Delta variant instead of continuing the original mRNA formulation?

Because Delta is a media hype nothingburger.
Posted by: Ian S. at October 20, 2021 10:56 AM (ZGrMX)

I've wondered about that. Either the existing vax is out of date and won't work against Delta - or else the whole "Delta" thing is just the same old same old.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 20, 2021 11:00 AM (trdmm)

314 Under the new definition for "vaccine", Nyquil is a vaccine.

Lessens the symptoms is all it takes to qualify.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at October 20, 2021 11:01 AM (OssQ4)

315 Do you ever listen to John Walton calling the game on CAPS radio? He's really good too.
Posted by: Doof at October 20, 2021 10:51 AM (mZUr4)

Nope... But I will now that some of the Caps games have been espn'd and Hulu'd. The PC bullshit is just too much for me. Where do you find the Caps blog?
Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at October 20, 2021 10:54 AM (flINI)


I've been reading a few Caps blogs for several years.

Russian Machine Never Breaks (used to be really good until the guy who runs it allowed Trump Derangement Syndrome to permeate the blog). This is the one I was talking about in my original comment.

NoVa Caps Fans.

Japers Rink.

Posted by: Doof at October 20, 2021 11:01 AM (mZUr4)

316 The emergency auths just bypassed the PAPERWORK, not the safety and efficacy tests. And these vaxes aren't "new" by any means. Just tweaked versions of existing vaxes. Like they do with the flu vax every year.
Posted by: Goober at October 20, 2021 10:57 AM (Hgvgt)

**

And the research on how the injection interacts with physiologies of people who have already had COVID and recovered, and how the "booster" injections from different manufacturers will play with each other in mix-and-match scenarios that are now somehow okay, and how those mix-and-match injections work in people who previously had COVID and recovered, and...

But yeah, mostly paperwork.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Leave post-it notes on bare shelves saying Enjoying socialism yet? at October 20, 2021 11:01 AM (NdB+W)

317 Is it still a thing to be infected but asymptomatic?

Yes, which is why "cases" is a bullshit metric.

Posted by: Ian S. at October 20, 2021 11:01 AM (ZGrMX)

318 Well, we're back to face diapers in the office, per county decree. It is so disconcerting to see otherwise intelligent people submit so readily to the nefarious whims of the gubmint. I may just resume working at home.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Rage-oholic at October 20, 2021 11:01 AM (xPJvm)

319 215 The same wine moms that were afraid to give their kids any vaccines because Jenny McCarthy said it was dangerous now want their kids to get this one....
Posted by: steevy at October 20, 2021 10:48 AM (CYnTg)
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These were the same wine moms who don't give a $@*! about what the USRDA says about sugar, corn syrup, or GMOs being okay and *insist* that their kids eat bland boring buckwheat-spinach pancakes with stevia-based syrup every morning.

I still remember that picture Chelsea Clinton put up of hideous half-burnt green horse scabs that she called "pancakes" for her toddler, and all the wine-mom fawning about how the strong brave mommy still had time for quaint things like feeding her offspring herself.

Posted by: reason at October 20, 2021 11:01 AM (ePZfA)

320 The emergency auths just bypassed the PAPERWORK, not the safety and efficacy tests. And these vaxes aren't "new" by any means. Just tweaked versions of existing vaxes. Like they do with the flu vax every year.

Posted by: Goober at October 20, 2021 10:57 AM (Hgvgt)


The yearly flu vaccines we've always had are mRNA gene therapy? Really?

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at October 20, 2021 11:01 AM (UOGTL)

321 The people saying "you made X die" have a point

And what would that point be? Guess I'm not understanding.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 20, 2021 10:43 AM (Xrfse)


Their point is that they are idiots and you should steer clear of them.

Posted by: flounder at October 20, 2021 11:01 AM (KnJdm)

322
Whitey's work!

*cuts painting with knife, pushes over statue*



https://tinyurl.com/26f3met2

Posted by: New Art Institute of Chicago Docent at October 20, 2021 11:01 AM (2iDSr)

323 And we really don't know because the data are so screwed up. Is it still a thing to be infected but asymptomatic?

Random blood tests have shown 50-80% of the population have had COVID.

So either the blood tests are wrong, or COVID has little to no affect on most people - perhaps a previous coronavirus infection, which is common, provides protection?

Posted by: 18-1 at October 20, 2021 11:01 AM (ESjRY)

324 Except not even a month ago it WAS that it would prevent you from getting the disease, and that was straight from the CDC:

https://tinyurl.com/n67xvcbt
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Leave post-it notes on bare shelves saying Enjoying socialism yet? at October 20, 2021 10:55 AM (NdB+W)

Except that this is NOT a Vaccine. They went so far as to change the definition of the word vaccine, on their website. The new definition is basically any shot that 'gives you protection' against a disease. Under that definition, a shot of antibiotics, is now a Vaccine.

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 20, 2021 11:01 AM (oHd/0)

325 We don't provide flu vaccines under the assumption that we'll eradicate the flu. You either get sufficient exposure to be infected or you don't. With diseases like flus or colds, you almost always will, so the question of whether others present a risk of infection is basically irrelevant. It simply comes down to how effective whatever vaccine or medication you take is or how strong your immune system is.


But if you've taken a vaccine or medication which is strong enough to prevent you from being infected, then you've reduced the chance that you'll infect others. Not eliminated, but reduced. Again, there's a reason we tell people with the flu to stay home, and we still provide flu shots. It isn't the case that you're exposed to the same level of virus regardless.

Posted by: pep at October 20, 2021 11:02 AM (ZsR3z)

326 298 Vitamin C is extremely easy to get w/o supplementing. Don't overdo it.
Posted by: SFGoth

The RDA is to prevent out and out deficiency - not provide optimal health.

Posted by: Bonnie Blue - the anti-DOTE at October 20, 2021 11:02 AM (hlxe7)

327 >>> Maybe the vaccine is so that the aliens are able to eat you without exploding.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 20, 2021 11:00 AM (r5BVk)


Couldn't they just take some beano over-the-counter before their meal?

Posted by: banana Dream at October 20, 2021 11:02 AM (rLfOT)

328 307 Yeah, I was looking at my collection the other day thinking about whether to add more on. I'm in a post-writing funk (as well as a work funk) and don't feel like doing much of anything.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 20, 2021 11:00 AM (2JVJo)

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I have a little note on my laptop that I continually update with planned purchased per month, keeping it at about 4 months out. I have a budget I keep under, and it's just about widening and deepening my collection in any direction I feel like. It also irks me that almost 50% of my collection is from the last 20 years, so I tend to focus on older stuff.

The average release date of the stuff from Kino and Criterion this month for me was somewhere in the 1950s. The 30 movie Universal monster collection helped with that average, too.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford at October 20, 2021 11:02 AM (LvTSG)

329 False! Nine women can have one baby in one month.

*****

Every three minutes, somewhere in this country a woman gives birth.

She must be found...and stopped!

Posted by: Muldoon at October 20, 2021 11:02 AM (5Woea)

330 Published numbers currently show a higher incidence of covid infection among those that had gotten the shot then those who have not.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 20, 2021 10:53 AM (ESjRY)
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Selection bias, FTW.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 20, 2021 11:03 AM (YqDXo)

331 I think if you go to blue cities you would have no problem seeing who will stand in line to give little six year old Suzy and Timmy this injection.


If you had any questions about who would have complied in 1930's Germany, now you know.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 20, 2021 11:03 AM (OCTRt)

332 There's a vaccine from Novavax that is apparently quite good. 90% efficacy against all variants, and it's a more traditional vaccine. They're going through approvals now, after a 40,000 person phase 3 trial.

Posted by: SARDiver at October 20, 2021 11:03 AM (s0DTB)

333 A gene therapy is not a vaccination.
I'm not anti-vax, I'm anti- dieing- from-an-experimental- substance- injected-into-my-body- Dr.-Mengele.

Posted by: Minuteman at October 20, 2021 11:03 AM (LaNzR)

334 I've wondered about that. Either the existing vax is out of date and won't work against Delta - or else the whole "Delta" thing is just the same old same old.

There was never an actual *test* for Delta, which is how you know it's fake and gay. They latched on to an upward swing in cases and claimed it's "delta". (They were calling it "the Indian variant" until they realized that contradicted saying that 'Chinavirus' was racist).

Posted by: Ian S. at October 20, 2021 11:03 AM (ZGrMX)

335 How is it that the position even exists? How is it that we now have an eighth branch of the military, turned inwards, towards us, called the Health Corps, with commissioned military officers?


Roots in the Revolution and the Civil War. Established in 1889.

Posted by: Archer at October 20, 2021 11:03 AM (gmo/4)

336 Selection bias, FTW.

Explain?

Posted by: 18-1 at October 20, 2021 11:03 AM (ESjRY)

337 And mocking the anti-vaxx crowd went from "damn right I took my shots, why do they feel to good to take theirs ? " to "why does the government get to make this decision ?".

Posted by: Working for Peanuts at October 20, 2021 10:59 AM (+1Ie+)

Far as I can tell no one on the Right was particularly pushing for mandatory vaccinations.

And yes, Lefties deserved to be mocked for their healing crystals and whatnot.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 20, 2021 11:03 AM (z5Vrg)

338 Well, we're back to face diapers in the office, per county decree. It is so disconcerting to see otherwise intelligent people submit so readily to the nefarious whims of the gubmint. I may just resume working at home.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Rage-oholic at October 20, 2021 11:01 AM (xPJvm)
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Nurse a mug of coffee at your desk all morning. A can of Coke all afternoon.

Karen: "Hey, your mask is off!"
You: *takes a sip* Oh, I'm in the middle of drinking this, I'll put it back on once I'm done.

Posted by: reason at October 20, 2021 11:04 AM (ePZfA)

339 312 Unfortunately, the marriage only lasted 3 years, ending when David died from brain lymphoma in 2003.

So it only took her 3 years to kill him.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at October 20, 2021 11:00 AM (WMFZO)


Heh. Perhaps it's best to be charitable and assume that both husband and wife would have preferred that their marriage would've lasted longer.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at October 20, 2021 11:04 AM (UOGTL)

340 We don't provide flu vaccines under the assumption that we'll eradicate the flu.

We do now because we are ruled by gods who are convinced that they can control the weather, change sexes, end poverty and violence and bring about universal contentment. So having power over disease is the next step for them as they later will claim to have power over death, completing their challenge to the Almighty Creator.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at October 20, 2021 11:04 AM (+LCoQ)

341 An equivalent for you might be forgetting to wear pants to your own book thread.

Posted by: Doof at October 20, 2021 10:55 AM (mZUr4)

What?

( *shifty eyes* )
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at October 20, 2021 10:59 AM (UOGTL)


Was just a hypothetical -- not an implication!!

Posted by: Doof at October 20, 2021 11:04 AM (mZUr4)

342 I have a little note on my laptop that I continually update with planned purchased per month, keeping it at about 4 months out. I have a budget I keep under, and it's just about widening and deepening my collection in any direction I feel like. It also irks me that almost 50% of my collection is from the last 20 years, so I tend to focus on older stuff.

The average release date of the stuff from Kino and Criterion this month for me was somewhere in the 1950s. The 30 movie Universal monster collection helped with that average, too.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford at October 20, 2021 11:02 AM (LvTSG)

I'm not buying any new movies until my 'to-watch' pile goes down a little. I've discovered to my regret that between the wife's apathy and the puppy's demands to play, I can't really immerse myself in movies

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Failure happens, giving up is a choice at October 20, 2021 11:04 AM (XvPQV)

343 So taking that shot that is not sanitizing but does provide some protection is a good investment.

But the effectiveness of the clot shot is under question, there are serious short term side effects - including death - and the long term affects are not known.
Posted by: 18-1 at October 20, 2021 10:59 AM (ESjRY)

Also, once out of the Military, I've never been FORCED to get a flu shot.

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 20, 2021 11:04 AM (oHd/0)

344 I always have to remind myself because the media fear mongering is so omnipresent... there is greater than 99.5% survival rate with this virus.

None of these lockdowns, masks, distancing and vax have anything to do with public health.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 20, 2021 11:04 AM (r5BVk)

345 342 I'm not buying any new movies until my 'to-watch' pile goes down a little. I've discovered to my regret that between the wife's apathy and the puppy's demands to play, I can't really immerse myself in movies
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Failure happens, giving up is a choice at October 20, 2021 11:04 AM (XvPQV)

==========

Kids are in bed by 8. Dolley watches reality tv. I get the media room.

It's a nice system. I like it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford at October 20, 2021 11:05 AM (LvTSG)

346 I still remember that picture Chelsea Clinton put up of hideous half-burnt green horse scabs that she called "pancakes" for her toddler, and all the wine-mom fawning about how the strong brave mommy still had time for quaint things like feeding her offspring herself.
Posted by: reason at October 20, 2021 11:01 AM (ePZfA)
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Yeah, she had to take time out from her busy schedule of doing ... what?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 20, 2021 11:05 AM (YqDXo)

347 Bicycles don't need fish, either

Posted by: Deceased Head Football Coach Howard Schnellenberger at October 20, 2021 11:06 AM (d5yY1)

348 A strange calm has settled over the ranch.
Posted by: Weasel


Is that because you and Ben Had shot and/or scared off all the hogs?

Posted by: Oddbob at October 20, 2021 11:06 AM (nfrXX)

349 I had heard that mRNA technology had been developed as far bsck as the 1990's, and drug companies have been pouring billions into the research and development of said drugs. But no human experimentation in thst period.

Here we are in 2021, and now they want to recoup on their investment.

Posted by: fly gal at October 20, 2021 11:06 AM (uy+ro)

350 74 Last Flu I got was the Swine Flu.

Damn near killed me.

Posted by: garrett at October 20, 2021 10:28 A
Rectum? Damn near kilt 'em.
-the pig

Posted by: Eromero at October 20, 2021 11:06 AM (0OP+5)

351 And yes, Lefties deserved to be mocked for their healing crystals and whatnot.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 20, 2021 11:03 AM (z5Vrg)

*care-bear stare*

Posted by: Marianne Williamson at October 20, 2021 11:06 AM (ePZfA)

352 And yes, Lefties deserved to be mocked for their healing crystals and whatnot.

Well, YOU won't get to smell my vag then.

Posted by: Gwenyth Paltrow at October 20, 2021 11:07 AM (ZGrMX)

353 Posted by: Reuben Hick at October 20, 2021 11:04 AM (+LCoQ)

Well put.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 20, 2021 11:07 AM (ueGNX)

354 So it's a pretty interesting question of WHY we haven't eradicated the flu since we can do it with COVID (and masks, tee-hee).

Go!

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Leave post-it notes on bare shelves saying Enjoying socialism yet? at October 20, 2021 11:07 AM (NdB+W)

355 But if you've taken a vaccine or medication which is strong enough to prevent you from being infected, then you've reduced the chance that you'll infect others. Not eliminated, but reduced. Again, there's a reason we tell people with the flu to stay home, and we still provide flu shots. It isn't the case that you're exposed to the same level of virus regardless.
Posted by: pep at October 20, 2021 11:02 AM (ZsR3z)

Unless you have very particular life circumstances you're going to be exposed to most of the variants of the cold and flu each year. The flu shots are for the individual, they're not going to meaningfully impact spread.

Public transportation, having children(who will get it from school), going to areas frequented by lots of people. All enough to basically guarantee exposure.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 20, 2021 11:07 AM (z5Vrg)

356 *care-bear stare*
Posted by: Marianne Williamson at October 20, 2021 11:06 AM


Fuck that, we're outta here.

Posted by: The Aliens at October 20, 2021 11:07 AM (m+jkK)

357 Bicycles don't need fish, either
Posted by: Deceased Head Football Coach Howard Schnellenberger at October 20, 2021


***
Well, you could squeeze some oil out of the fish to lubricate the bicycle gears.

Imagine how that would smell on a hot day.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 20, 2021 11:07 AM (/XOcP)

358 348 A strange calm has settled over the ranch.
Posted by: Weasel

Is that because you and Ben Had shot and/or scared off all the hogs?

Posted by: Oddbob at October 20, 2021 11:06 AM
'You dropped a oink on me.'

Posted by: Eromero at October 20, 2021 11:07 AM (0OP+5)

359 Kids are in bed by 8. Dolley watches reality tv. I get the media room.

It's a nice system. I like it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford at October 20, 2021 11:05 AM (LvTSG)

Make hay while the sun shines, hope that system lasts.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Failure happens, giving up is a choice at October 20, 2021 11:07 AM (XvPQV)

360 Efficacy of flu shots is, I think, as feared by many over the years, possibly negligible (statistically insignificant). British and Dutch analysis of many years' data has shown this, as I recall. I picked this up back when I was following the C19 thing intensively, and noticed it on the margins (I think a huge British study based on their massive data - one side-effect of a universal medical coverage system like theirs - showed this).

But surely someone here has followed this and can confirm/correct.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at October 20, 2021 11:07 AM (OTzUX)

361 There was always an eighth branch of the military called the Health Corps. It was always Berenstain. We've always been at war with Eastasia.

Silly me.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at October 20, 2021 11:08 AM (OssQ4)

362 FWIW, I don't know how good "natural" immunity is for this thing. My sister and her BF caught the delta variant (she was vaccinated, he was not, but he had COVID back in Feb). They were basically knocked out like it was a flu, but nothing a week or two of rest couldn't fix.

I was really surprised he picked it up again, but enough of a viral load exposure might not matter one way or the other (or his previous case was a false-positive). Not like our medical professionals are doing a great job at trying to track cases accurately or anything.

Posted by: Gaff at October 20, 2021 11:08 AM (jPS2y)

363 I'm not aware of anything the government does quickly that ends up worth a shit.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 20, 2021 11:08 AM (BFigT)

364 IIRC correctly, George Bernard Shaw was violently 'anti-vax' & was lauded for it.

Posted by: aelfheld at October 20, 2021 11:08 AM (Zy9Yy)

365 But the effectiveness of the clot shot is under question, there are serious short term side effects - including death - and the long term affects are not known.

If the shot is ineffective or dangerous, then that's a real problem. But you have to define what you mean. ANY vaccine has a certain % of adverse reactions. Again, people who view this question in a binary way are making a mistake. However, given the givens, I'd argue for voluntary vaccination only.

As to those arguing that the government has mismanaged this entire process (other than, IMHO, Trump) be prepared for agreement.

Posted by: pep at October 20, 2021 11:08 AM (ZsR3z)

366 Again, there's a reason we tell people with the flu to stay home, and we still provide flu shots. "

okay, If you have Covid, stay home for a few days.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 20, 2021 11:08 AM (trdmm)

367 1/2: On the vaccine, you are not wrong, but there are two things to consider:
First, as you point out, it takes longer to get a novel treatment, and especially a novel mechanism of action (mRNA), approved than the fast track these vaccines went through, however, there are elements that can, and were shortened reasonably. The largest of these, time wise, was the parallel manufacturing track. Vaccines are generally difficult to manufacture, and manufacturing in bulk is very expensive to set up. Warp Speed's greatest positive was the guaranteeing of manufacturing costs for the most promising early vaccine candidates. That's effective use of taxpayer dollars, and that does not present additional (medical) risk. The effectiveness of the vaccine was also adequately measured in the trials, in part because it was very easy to enroll subjects and to have them exposed to the virus. The questionable part of the rollout was the shortened time frame for studying long term effects - that simply cannot be sped up, so it just hasn't been analyzed yet, and won't be for a few years frankly.

Posted by: BetaPhi at October 20, 2021 11:08 AM (hGNrS)

368 Posted by: Working for Peanuts at October 20, 2021 10:52 AM (+1Ie+)

Nice to see your new handle, Scogg Dog. Actually, I noticed it some days ago. I'm sorry you're working for peanuts.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 20, 2021 11:09 AM (ueGNX)

369 Far as I can tell no one on the Right was particularly pushing for mandatory vaccinations. And yes, Lefties deserved to be mocked for their healing crystals and whatnot.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 20, 2021 11:03 AM (z5Vrg)


Christ on a Cracker - do we really have to go back to pre-Covid threads about Anti-Vaxxers - with my man JackStraw leading the chorus about how "Damn right, everybody needs to line up and take their normal battery of shots !!! This autism shit is just the new peanut allergy. By God - I took my shots - made me the man I am today !!!". He wasn't alone.

Memories that conveniently short around here ?

Posted by: Working for Peanuts at October 20, 2021 11:09 AM (+1Ie+)

370 My Covid kit that my doctor prescribed arrived.

Includes a number of drugs, some that you need a nebulizer for (included in the delivery)

Yes, a nice bottle of ivermectin is in there.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at October 20, 2021 11:09 AM (rdzAc)

371 I'm not anti Vaccines... problem is this is NOT a vaccine. Its a Gene Therapy.

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 20, 2021 10:21 AM

It *is* a vaccine! (as of Sept 1, 2021, when we changed the definition of vaccine and vaccination) Try to keep up.

https://bit.ly/3ng7xvr

Posted by: CDC at October 20, 2021 11:09 AM (Do5/p)

372 336 Selection bias, FTW.

Explain?
Posted by: 18-1 at October 20, 2021 11:03 AM (ESjRY)
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People are more likely to get the vaccine if they're around people with Covid, or at least think they are.

To infer that the vaccine necessarily increases the number of Covid cases is like thinking that an HIV vaccine (if it existed) causes homosexuality and intravenous drug use.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 20, 2021 11:09 AM (YqDXo)

373
*Gorilla*

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 20, 2021 11:09 AM (n+4am)

374 Why is Trump getting a pass for OWS? There are questions that need to be answered and he should not be immune from them.

Posted by: leber at October 20, 2021 11:09 AM (2p763)

375 >>> And yes, Lefties deserved to be mocked for their healing crystals and whatnot.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 20, 2021 11:03 AM (z5Vrg)


I got a bundle of ebooks about health care and exercises, stuff like that, but one was about crystals and aromatherapy, etc.. Wow! It was like reading some misguided text from the dark ages. These people are nuttybonkers.

Posted by: banana Dream at October 20, 2021 11:09 AM (rLfOT)

376 There was never an actual *test* for Delta, which is how you know it's fake and gay.


There was never an actual test for coof. That's how the flu dropped last year to 1500 cases instead of the normal 33 MILLION cases.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 20, 2021 11:09 AM (OCTRt)

377 Fuck that, we're outta here.
Posted by: The Aliens at October 20, 2021 11:07 AM (m+jkK)


Demi Lovato claims she was contacted by aliens and they're offended that we call them aliens.

But she also claims to have no gender, so...

Posted by: Ian S. at October 20, 2021 11:10 AM (ZGrMX)

378 A strange calm has settled over the ranch.
Posted by: Weasel

Is that because you and Ben Had shot and/or scared off all the hogs?
Posted by: Oddbob at October 20, 2021 11:06 AM (nfrXX)


Not sure why shooting hogs would scare off a strange clam.

*squints at comment*

Disregard my last.

Posted by: hogmartin at October 20, 2021 11:10 AM (P4LRL)

379 okay, If you have Covid, stay home for a few days.


**

That plus Ivermectin is how Uttar Pradesh, population 170M, is at 112 (one hundred and twelve) cases right now.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Leave post-it notes on bare shelves saying Enjoying socialism yet? at October 20, 2021 11:10 AM (NdB+W)

380 Every three minutes, somewhere in this country a woman gives birth.

She must be found...and stopped!
Posted by: Muldoon at October 20, 2021 11:02 AM (5Woea)

***

Doesn't leave much time for sandwich makin'.

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at October 20, 2021 11:10 AM (flINI)

381 Never book airline tickets through a third party.

Never
Never
Never

Posted by: nurse ratched at October 20, 2021 11:11 AM (Vt61E)

382 OWS?

Posted by: BignJames at October 20, 2021 11:11 AM (AwYPR)

383 But if you've taken a vaccine or medication which is strong enough to prevent you from being infected, then you've reduced the chance that you'll infect others.

That is true for real vaccines, not this frankenvax that shares none of the properties of a real vaccine.

It can be argued, based on Big Pharma's own documentation and admissions by the Center For Disease Creation, that the primary benefit of mRNA is to reduce sensitivity to symptoms. Your observation that infected can spread a flu works only when the person knows that they are infected, generally through symptoms. In the case of the mRNA concoction, the claim is that symptoms are reduced so that a person with a higher viral load will circulate around the population blissfully unaware that they are a modern Typhoid Mary.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at October 20, 2021 11:11 AM (+LCoQ)

384 Maybe the vaccine is so that the aliens are able to eat you without exploding.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk


*shifty eyes*

Posted by: Subterranean lizard people at October 20, 2021 11:11 AM (ZsR3z)

385 OWS?
Posted by: BignJames at October 20, 2021


***
Office of Witchcraft and Satanism

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 20, 2021 11:11 AM (/XOcP)

386 ANY vaccine has a certain % of adverse reactions.

Hmm, so go look at Vaers. This shot is 10K worse then any previous vaccine, and a fraction of the metrics that we've seen with these shots have gotten vaccines pulled from the market in the past.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 20, 2021 11:11 AM (ESjRY)

387 But surely someone here has followed this and can confirm/correct.
Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at October 20, 2021 11:07 AM (OTzUX)

my sis in law was a big believer in Flu Shots. We kept track over a 6 year period - she got the flu shot every year, I never got it. She got the flu 3 times, I got it 3 times. She said "well that's just because they guessed the strain wrong those years." I said - well you know what I said.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 20, 2021 11:11 AM (trdmm)

388 I don't actually recall Jack Straw cheerleading for the Covid shots.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 20, 2021 11:12 AM (ueGNX)

389 Demi Lovato claims she was contacted by aliens and they're offended that we call them aliens.

But she also claims to have no gender, so...
Posted by: Ian S. at October 20, 2021 11:10 AM


Yeah, no...even on our planet we know of Rule #1.

Posted by: The Aliens at October 20, 2021 11:12 AM (m+jkK)

390 359 Make hay while the sun shines, hope that system lasts.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Failure happens, giving up is a choice at October 20, 2021 11:07 AM (XvPQV)

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The other side of it is the kids. I have about a thousand movies to show them, curated by me. Junior's gotten old enough where I can sit him down with stuff beyond kids movies, and I have a good amount of stuff to show him. I've always viewed my collection (even from well before I ever met Dolley) as ultimately for my family, not just for me.

Sure, I probably won't get Junior to watch Andrei Rublev at any point, but there's plenty else in that movie closet.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford at October 20, 2021 11:12 AM (LvTSG)

391 Yeah, she had to take time out from her busy schedule of doing ... what? Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 20, 2021 11:05 AM (YqDXo)

Come on, grifting is hard work.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at October 20, 2021 11:12 AM (BMmaB)

392 381 Never book airline tickets through a third party.

Never
Never
Never
Posted by: nurse ratched at October 20, 2021 11:11 AM (Vt61E)

that sounds worrisome.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 20, 2021 11:12 AM (trdmm)

393 When someone argues and says, "The vaccines are safe," I ask, "Where did you see the 10 year auto-immune incident report? You've managed time travel to the future?"

Posted by: Neoluddite at October 20, 2021 11:12 AM (bsADT)

394 2/2: However, the second point in favor of the vaccines are the MASSIVE numbers of people that have now been exposed to them. You are correct, we (who have been vaccinated) are now all part of the long term trial (and medium term trial of waning/maintaining effectiveness, and effectiveness against variants, etc). The numbers are staggering, and offer me some comfort that significant short term side effects are negligible (of course, measured against morbidity/mortality of the disease, especially for younger people, it may well be that the vaccine is nearly as dangerous as the disease itself).

You are not wrong to be concerned about the vaccine, and I don't blame anyone for wanting to wait to get the shot - and damn sure you shouldn't be forced to take ANY treatment. Who knows, we may see a 10x spike in cancer rates in five years from this? Sure hope not. But I also think that the data we have so far indicates these vaccines are quite effective and, in the short term data, safe.

Posted by: BetaPhi at October 20, 2021 11:12 AM (hGNrS)

395 @SicarioScott 10m

Somebody Get Out Their Calculator

https://tinyurl.com/yz7uln9u

Posted by: Tami at October 20, 2021 11:12 AM (cF8AT)

396 Yeah, she had to take time out from her busy schedule of doing ... what?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 20, 2021 11:05 AM (YqDXo)
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At the time, it was writing op-eds and laundering money through an endless maze of NFPs, mostly.

Lately it's been plotting world domination and therapy sessions. I walked in on mom and Huma a couple months ago...

Posted by: Chelsea at October 20, 2021 11:13 AM (ePZfA)

397 Christ on a Cracker - do we really have to go back to pre-Covid threads about Anti-Vaxxers - with my man JackStraw leading the chorus about how "Damn right, everybody needs to line up and take their normal battery of shots !!!

I'm really impressed by the dedication some people show to blaming JackStraw for everything that's wrong in the world.

Also, "vaccines cause autism" *is* crackpot bullshit.

Posted by: Ian S. at October 20, 2021 11:13 AM (ZGrMX)

398 ***
Office of Witchcraft and Satanism
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 20, 2021 11:11 AM


Also known as the Salem Chamber of Commerce.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 20, 2021 11:13 AM (m+jkK)

399 That rice-field art needs a "Lets Go, Brandon!" in there somewhere.
Posted by: irright


Brandon ikimashou!

Posted by: mikeski at October 20, 2021 11:13 AM (P1f+c)

400 I don't believe there's any evidence that "mitigation" as public policy has ever succeeded in effecting the bottom line of any highly infectious respiratory virus (serious cases, mortality). Some small experiments were done, mid-stream, during either the 1957 Asian flu or 1968 Hong Kong flu episodes. Bupkis. This only confirmed the common sense that once prevalent, such pathogens will spread according to their own dictates and to limits we still don't understand, though some can be described (like Hope-Simpson latitude/regional/seasonal patterns).

Don't know if the British and Dutch mass studies of flu shots attempted to analyze this aspect, think they were focused on the true bottom line (hospitalization + mortality).

The director of the global smallpox eradication program put it nicely in a 2006 study, which I can recite from memory, but won't now.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at October 20, 2021 11:13 AM (OTzUX)

401 This autism shit is just the new peanut allergy. By God - I took my shots - made me the man I am today !!!". He wasn't alone.

Memories that conveniently short around here ?
Posted by: Working for Peanuts

#1. I have my Smallpox & Polio vaccine records in hand. Do you?
#2. Who the fuck is this glowie ass?

Posted by: rickb223 at October 20, 2021 11:13 AM (OCTRt)

402 I don't actually recall Jack Straw cheerleading for the Covid shots.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke

Me neither
Must be a Jack Strawman argument

Posted by: vmom - link to Red's fundraiser at October 20, 2021 11:13 AM (YZG/i)

403 364 IIRC correctly, George Bernard Shaw was violently 'anti-vax' & was lauded for it.
Posted by: aelfheld at October 20, 2021 11:08 AM (Zy9Yy)
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Your point? He was also a raving socialist, among other things. Everybody has a right to be wrong, and routinely exercises it.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 20, 2021 11:14 AM (YqDXo)

404 I would like to have a high horse but would settle for a pony.

Posted by: Arkansas Biden Baby at October 20, 2021 11:14 AM (Xrfse)

405 JackStraw and I talked a LOT, and I don't recall him ever getting into the weeds on the COVID. He was almost entirely the non-medical coup side of things.

Come back JackStraw. I have strong drink and fishing rods.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Leave post-it notes on bare shelves saying Enjoying socialism yet? at October 20, 2021 11:14 AM (NdB+W)

406 >>> do we really have to go back to pre-Covid threads about Anti-Vaxxers - with my man JackStraw leading the chorus about how "Damn right, everybody needs to line up and take their normal battery of shots !!! This autism shit is just the new peanut allergy. By God - I took my shots - made me the man I am today !!!". He wasn't alone.
Posted by: Working for Peanuts at October 20, 2021 11:09 AM (+1Ie+)



I straight out tell people at work, at their retirement party, or their going away lunch whatever, "I'm going to blame everything that ever went wrong, every screw-up that's found on you now. It's going to be so great!"

Posted by: banana Dream at October 20, 2021 11:14 AM (rLfOT)

407 Uttar Pradesh, population 170M, is at 112 (one hundred and twelve) cases

112 KNOWN cases. Remember, they are a fifth world country and only slightly more sophisticated in their healthcare reporting than us, a sixth world country...

Posted by: Dr Nick Riviera at October 20, 2021 11:14 AM (a1fMq)

408 393 When someone argues and says, "The vaccines are safe," I ask, "Where did you see the 10 year auto-immune incident report? You've managed time travel to the future?"
Posted by: Neoluddite at October 20, 2021 11:12 AM (bsADT)

Technically speaking, contracting COVID is also relatively safe.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 20, 2021 11:14 AM (KbCG3)

409
Is that because you and Ben Had shot and/or scared off all the hogs?
Posted by: Oddbob at October 20, 2021 11:06 AM (nfrXX)
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No shooting, yet! This afternoon, I think. The range is angry and must be appeased!

Posted by: Weasel at October 20, 2021 11:14 AM (h0K04)

410 It's been all a scam from the beginning, people. And if you believe anything, and I mean anything about this common cold/flu virus as being beyond the normal scope of seasonal disease vectors, then I'll consider you just as duped as the Karen's are.

Posted by: Justsayin' at October 20, 2021 11:14 AM (Fs5vw)

411 But I also think that the data we have so far indicates these vaccines are quite effective and, in the short term data, safe.
Posted by: BetaPhi at October 20, 2021 11:12 AM (hGNrS)
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*standing ovation*

Posted by: asbestos at October 20, 2021 11:15 AM (ePZfA)

412 People are more likely to get the vaccine if they're around people with Covid, or at least think they are.

The group least likely to interact with the public due to COVID fears is also the group most likely to get the shot.

Any time I go to facebook or nextdoor there is some Karen, that has her shot and has not left home in 1.5 years, complaining about some anti-vaxxers walking around without a mask.

But, presume this isn't true - that the clot shot opponents are the ones hiding instead - how much protection is that shot giving you? Your argument would explain if the clot shot gives you a negligible decrease in risk of infection...at best.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 20, 2021 11:15 AM (ESjRY)

413 Must be a Jack Strawman argument
Posted by: vmom - link to Red's fundraiser at October 20, 2021 11:13 AM (YZG/i)

I laughed; Thanks.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 20, 2021 11:15 AM (ueGNX)

414 And yes, Lefties deserved to be mocked for their healing crystals and whatnot.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 20, 2021 11:03 AM (z5Vrg)



See - there it is. Why would you possibly mock anyone you hate for their faith in healing crystals ? I'd keep my mouth shut. Maybe even point them toward some radioactive crystals.

Their refusal to take a vaxx has very little impact on you - if you choose to take a vaxx - and believe in the effectiveness of said vaxx.

Do you really give a shit that much if ... say - the Kennedy Family ... suddenly goes all out and never takes another polio vaxx ? I say, rock on Kennedy's. Now go convince the Rockefeller's next door. Maybe even start talking to the Gates clan about it.

Posted by: Working for Peanuts at October 20, 2021 11:15 AM (+1Ie+)

415 Must be a Jack Strawman argument
Posted by: vmom - link to Red's fundraiser at October 20, 2021 11:13 AM


*golf clap*

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 20, 2021 11:15 AM (m+jkK)

416 382 OWS?

Posted by: BignJames at October 20, 2021 11:11 AM (AwYPR)


Operation Warp Speed.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at October 20, 2021 11:15 AM (UOGTL)

417 But I also think that the data we have so far indicates these vaccines are quite effective and, in the short term data, safe.
Posted by: BetaPhi


Tell that to the 13,000 dead on the VEARS website.

You do remember that they pulled the Swine Flu vaxx after 54 deaths, right?

Posted by: rickb223 at October 20, 2021 11:16 AM (OCTRt)

418 Maybe the worst thing about this whole COVID bullsh*t (besides the obvious, of course) is realizing that our entire medical industry is based on abortion, and we're all culpable.

I was ignorant of aborted babies' role in vaccines and genome projects and so many other things before, but now that I know, what do I do? What do I do for my kids?

It's disgusting, and it's worse to know it's all on purpose.

Abortion is everything to the left. They even made it a core element of medicine.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Leave post-it notes on bare shelves saying Enjoying socialism yet? at October 20, 2021 11:16 AM (NdB+W)

419 nood



chicago

Posted by: banana Dream at October 20, 2021 11:17 AM (rLfOT)

420 ...fawning about how the strong brave mommy still had time for quaint things like feeding her offspring herself.

*******

"See, Chasten, I told you all the chafing would be worth it!"
/Mayor Pete

Posted by: Muldoon at October 20, 2021 11:17 AM (5Woea)

421 that sounds worrisome.
Posted by: Tom Servo


Oh. I'll get where I'm
Going. But it is going to cost me $$$. I had to eat the Travelocity tickets. They changed my outbound time and my return DAY. so I booked last minute direct with Alaska.

But. I will never use their website again and encourage all y'all to never use them.

Posted by: nurse ratched at October 20, 2021 11:17 AM (Vt61E)

422 When someone argues and says, "The vaccines are safe," I ask, "Where did you see the 10 year auto-immune incident report? You've managed time travel to the future?"
Posted by: Neoluddite at October 20, 2021 11:12 AM (bsADT)

Technically speaking, contracting COVID is also relatively safe.


People throw around that word "safe" a lot. Is there a definition of safe? Or is it just a trigger word to conjure up the emotion of blind trust and care?

Posted by: Reuben Hick at October 20, 2021 11:17 AM (+LCoQ)

423 Real statistics time.

VEARS reporting of vaccine deaths increased by 91x in 2020.

While you can claim that the Covid vaccines are mostly safe for most people, you can't claim they are as safe as vaccines for other diseases.

The swine flu vaccine was pulled after 16 deaths.

We are at 15,000 and counting now. About the same level as gun shot deaths.

And that number is under reported by 5 to 10 to 1.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at October 20, 2021 11:17 AM (rdzAc)

424 But I also think that the data we have so far indicates these vaccines are quite effective and, in the short term data, safe.
Posted by: BetaPhi at October 20, 2021 11:12 AM (hGNrS)

The data I've seen (in terms of real world results) seems to suggest somewhere between 50% and 0% effective in preventing serious cases, though it's possible the effectiveness is overstated if vaccinated people believe they don't need to go to the hospital.

Huge range of results since the real world trials aren't controlled and we're seeing a lot of different experiences from different regions.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 20, 2021 11:17 AM (z5Vrg)

425 Should be willowed soon
I was glad for Warp speed Vax figured it would be like a real Vaccine though even then doubted I would get it as never had a flu Vaccine why start now?

Posted by: Skip's Phone at October 20, 2021 11:17 AM (jc1m8)

426 374 Why is Trump getting a pass for OWS? There are questions that need to be answered and he should not be immune from them.

Posted by: leber at October 20, 2021 11:09 AM (2p763)


I'm not giving Trump a pass for this. Which is precisely why I linked his name to it. But I think he should not get a pass for doing something far worse: not sidelining or firing that malignant little homunculus Anthony Fauci.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at October 20, 2021 11:17 AM (UOGTL)

427 New thread, Ace is awake: Chicago.

Posted by: gdgm+ at October 20, 2021 11:17 AM (HyPy9)

428 112 KNOWN cases. Remember, they are a fifth world country and only slightly more sophisticated in their healthcare reporting than us, a sixth world country...
Posted by: Dr Nick Riviera at October 20, 2021 11:14 AM (a1fMq)

**

You make my point for me.

Same as the Amish.

Stop testing healthy people and this silliness goes away tonight.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Leave post-it notes on bare shelves saying Enjoying socialism yet? at October 20, 2021 11:18 AM (NdB+W)

429 nurse, is there a change in your schedule?

Posted by: Ben Had at October 20, 2021 11:18 AM (sSUeO)

430 "You may be entitled to compensation" = any drug or device formerly approved by the FDA or any other government entity.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 20, 2021 11:18 AM (OCTRt)

431 But I also think that the data we have so far indicates these vaccines are quite effective and, in the short term data, safe.

Posted by: BetaPhi at October 20, 2021 11:12 AM (hGNrS)

Problems with the data include too many "with-covid" deaths early on, disappearance of flu deaths in the relevant times, versus now co-morbidity ONLY deaths for near-term post vaccine complication deaths. Too many problems with that data that all trend one way to make that conclusion, IMO.

Posted by: flounder at October 20, 2021 11:18 AM (KnJdm)

432 #2. Who the fuck is this glowie ass?
Posted by: rickb223 at October 20, 2021 11:13 AM (OCTRt)
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Peanuts -> Jimmy Carter -> Federal Government -> FBI

Follow the breadcrumbs.

Posted by: reason at October 20, 2021 11:19 AM (ePZfA)

433 @StateDept 18m

United States government organization
Today on International Pronouns Day, we share why many people list pronouns on their email and social media profiles. Read more here on

https://tinyurl.com/yzww8lfc

Posted by: Tami at October 20, 2021 11:19 AM (cF8AT)

434 Not sure why shooting hogs would scare off a strange clam.

If you're going to be messing around with strange clams be sure you're up to date on all your shots. (See how I worked that back to the thread topic, albeit in a vaguely gross way?)

Posted by: Oddbob at October 20, 2021 11:19 AM (nfrXX)

435 Somebody Get Out Their Calculator

https://tinyurl.com/yz7uln9u
Posted by: Tami at October 20, 2021 11:12 AM (cF8AT)
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Posted by: Sundown Joe Biden at October 20, 2021 11:20 AM (BRQzG)

436 Ben had.
Only the return. I'm
Leaving love field
Sunday at 700 am.

Posted by: nurse ratched at October 20, 2021 11:20 AM (Vt61E)

437 No Robbie, you missed my point completely.

But I agree with you, if we stop testing, the case rate will go to zero!

Probably the smart play all around.

Posted by: Dr Nick Riviera at October 20, 2021 11:20 AM (a1fMq)

438 Imagine being the flipping Assistant Health Secretary, of all people...and calling this human drug a "horse medicine." We are so doomed.
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Given the extraordinary level of dishonesty we've seen from this administration, I'm worried about what they will do if there are lots of serious illnesses/death in a couple of years because of the vaccines.

With Biden (or Kamala, or whoever) up for re-election in 2024, does anybody really think this administration will admit that mandating vaccines was a mistake, especially if there is evidence emerging in 2023/24 that shows that the vaccines are indeed as dangerous as many docs have been saying they could be?

Given the enormous power/money at stake now in presidential elections, this crew of crooks and frauds and grifters will do everything possible to hide the truth from Americans, for as long as possible.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at October 20, 2021 11:21 AM (k4dH2)

439 United States government organization
Today on International Pronouns Day, we share why many people list pronouns on their email and social media profiles.
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Depends, Dependee

Posted by: Sundown Joe Biden at October 20, 2021 11:21 AM (BRQzG)

440 The people saying the clot shot is safe intentionally spoiled the clinical trial control group, intentionally corrupted the COVID death numbers, are intionally suppressing clot shot related injuries, and either intentionally or incompetently corrupted the number of people infected with COVID.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 20, 2021 11:21 AM (ESjRY)

441 This is art:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_5vGa4weYQ

Lets go Brandon!

Posted by: fluffy at October 20, 2021 11:21 AM (UnQlg)

442 No shooting, yet! This afternoon, I think. The range is angry and must be appeased!

Release the Lead!

Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 20, 2021 11:22 AM (Xrfse)

443 Why no delta vaccine?
From what info I've found, the vaccine is a mRNA sequence to create spike protein to use as an antigen to induce immune response: antibody formation.
I don't think the entire spike protein sequence is provided - not all of spike would be a good antigen target and a protein isn't just the Amino Acid sequence, it's also the 3D structure (the AA chain folds on itself) that makes functionality/antigenicity.
Folding might be the problem, since there wouldn't going to be any helper/scaffolding proteins available - so it's purely on the hydrophobic vs hydrophilic regions of the AA chain and any charged AA residues; I expect it's fairly limiting how much/what kind of protein can be made. Maybe delta's spike has changed enough to not be a good target... or they haven't isolated/sequenced it, or yes they have millions of non-delta doses to administer.

Posted by: An Ordinary Citizen at October 20, 2021 11:22 AM (XjOU1)

444 But I also think that the data we have so far indicates these vaccines are quite effective and, in the short term data, safe.

I know more people who have died of complications of the mRNA Kill Shot than I know who died of SARS CoViD-2.

When treated early, like we used to do, the C19 is not fatal. For reasons that are only political, the 99.9* whatever number is deliberately ignoring ages, comorbidities and the fact that several governors slaughtered tens of thousands of people in retirement homes. (those numbers are still included)

Posted by: Reuben Hick at October 20, 2021 11:22 AM (+LCoQ)

445 Leaving love field
Sunday at 700 am.
Posted by: nurse ratched at October 20, 2021 11:20 AM (Vt61E)
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Now you have a good excuse to dance and stay up all night, Saturday night!

Posted by: You can't fool me at October 20, 2021 11:23 AM (BRQzG)

446 The group least likely to interact with the public due to COVID fears is also the group most likely to get the shot.
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Evidence?

Based on my recent (admittedly anecdotal) experience of ER healthcare, I believe medical practitioners are very likely to get the vaccine.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 20, 2021 11:26 AM (YqDXo)

447 Imagine being the flipping Assistant Health Secretary, of all people...and calling this human drug a "horse medicine." We are so doomed.
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Pffft. We have a four-star admiral who isn't quite clear on what sex he is.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 20, 2021 11:29 AM (YqDXo)

448 "Either they cut a lot of corners in the testing phase, or the bureaucratic, regulatory process itself has got a lot of useless, redundant "filler" baked in that should be permanently eliminated."

A lot of the testing of mRNA vaccine creation was done prior to the arrival of Covid.

But, yeah, there's a lot of uselessness baked into the bureaucracies.

Posted by: aelfheld at October 20, 2021 11:29 AM (Zy9Yy)

449
Based on my recent (admittedly anecdotal) experience of ER healthcare, I believe medical practitioners are very likely to get the vaccine.


As I said anecdotal here - everyone that is in COVID terror mode ran out to get the clot shot in the spring/early summer. And are currently b*tching about those that didn't going out to restaurant, sports games, and the like.

Hell, it came up in my last town meeting where the freedom folks almost got the poorly enforced mask mandate overturned.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 20, 2021 11:30 AM (ESjRY)

450 A strange calm has settled over the ranch.
Posted by: Weasel



Thats the Feds pulling all civilians back fromthe perimeter.

Posted by: Democrats from Bend at October 20, 2021 11:34 AM (axyOa)

451 "still using Win 7"

Saw a WinXP box at the optometrists.

Posted by: DaveA at October 20, 2021 11:34 AM (FhXTo)

452 Ask a pharmacist about quercitin interaction

Posted by: SamIam at October 20, 2021 11:51 AM (gUZSN)

453 How can there be antivaxxers when its not a vaccine, rather an experiment?/s

Waiting for the next one the pharms are working on: Novavax, which is more traditional, non MRNA vaccine. May consider.

So far, despite almost assured exposure, doing fine.
Han Solo voice: "Don't get cocky, kid"

Posted by: boynsea at October 20, 2021 12:00 PM (cx155)

454 "Either they cut a lot of corners in the testing phase..."

Didn't one of the vaccine trials, possibly Moderna but not sure which, end their trial in the middle of the test and then immediately jabbed all the placebo/control group with the vaccine?

Posted by: Another Anon at October 20, 2021 12:04 PM (bW28E)

455 Again with the crickets.............

Posted by: boynsea at October 20, 2021 12:07 PM (cx155)

456 Stewart Granger - Jean Kent - were in 5 different movies together

Posted by: James at October 20, 2021 12:23 PM (DoV/l)

457 While it's easy to fault Trump's vaccine program, consider this...the 'experts' wanted to shut down the economy, and lock people in their homes for up to FIVE YEARS, or even longer while a proper vaccine came on-line.

Operation Warp Speed snatched that club away. Also consider that the 'experts' demonized any (cheap) pre-existing medications that could stomp the commie virus (which would have killed the EUA for a vaccine); so, only one route was left...a vaccine.

AND, Trump NEVER considered making the vaccine *mandatory*.

Think things are bad now? Imagine being caught up in Year #2 of 5 of a nation / world wide 'lockdown', and all of mayhem that would entail. See certain areas of Australia for further details...

Posted by: CPT. Charles at October 20, 2021 12:27 PM (W+kMI)

458 454 - Another Anon

Yes (Moderna), yes they did.

Posted by: CPT. Charles at October 20, 2021 12:29 PM (W+kMI)

459 "What they DO need is a cup of Fluff in the mix. Trust me on this.

Posted by: garrett at October 20, 2021 10:22 AM (9giBp) "


Is this fabric softener? I would never have thought of that...

Posted by: Gunslinger at October 20, 2021 12:35 PM (R2gO3)

460 Don't ya just miss the hell out of Trump?!!!!!

Posted by: sidney at October 20, 2021 12:35 PM (LJJah)

461 Holy crap. One headline I found:

Jean Kent dead: Actress killed after television fell on her as she suffered a heart attack

Posted by: That FUCK JOE BIDEN guy at October 20, 2021 12:35 PM (wtvvX)

462 Why get a vaccine at all? Even the flu vaccines have a very low efficacy rate. And the Covid vax is DESIGNED to fuck you up, OM. If you don't already know that, you haven't been paying attention.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess, #SuperStraight #maskless (Mzdiz) at October 20, 2021 01:26 PM (Mzdiz)

463 (goes to find that CDC link where they explicitly state it takes more than 10 years to develop and release a vaccine)

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Leave post-it notes on bare shelves saying Enjoying socialism yet? at October 20, 2021 10:51 AM

From, of all places, the World Economic Forum, in June 2020. Right after, IIRC, Trump announced Operation Warp Speed in May 2020: https://bit.ly/2ZbYyTS

The speed with which researchers and pharmaceutical companies have responded to the coronavirus epidemic has been described as "unprecedented" by Dr Jerome Kim, Director-General of the International Vaccine Institute.

"When we are used to five-year time frames, to see something go into human testing on March 17 is really a remarkable thing," he told CNBC. "Does this guarantee success? Not necessarily. Vaccine development is characterised by a high failure rate - often 93% between animal studies and registration of a product."

The discovery and research phase is normally two-to-five years, according to the Wellcome Trust. In total, a vaccine can take more than 10 years to fully develop and costs up to $500 million, the UK charity says.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at October 20, 2021 01:27 PM (Do5/p)

464 "What they DO need is a cup of Fluff in the mix. Trust me on this.

Posted by: garrett at October 20, 2021 10:22 AM (9giBp) "


Is this fabric softener? I would never have thought of that...

Posted by: Gunslinger at October 20, 2021 12:35 PM (R2gO3)

Marshmallow Fluff, Gunslinger. Why on earth would you add fabric softener to food?

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess, #SuperStraight #maskless (Mzdiz) at October 20, 2021 01:28 PM (Mzdiz)

465 Why get a vaccine at all? Even the flu vaccines have a very low efficacy rate. And the Covid vax is DESIGNED to fuck you up, OM. If you don't already know that, you haven't been paying attention.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess, #SuperStraight #maskless (Mzdiz) at October 20, 2021 01:26 PM

Yep. It *might* help against SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19... for a few weeks? Months? But then it has been shown to weaken one's immune system, so then the "vaccinated" person now has to live with a weakened immune system for every other virus, disease and illness out there.

Why purposely weaken one's immune system over a virus/disease with 99.74% recovery rate?

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at October 20, 2021 01:30 PM (Do5/p)

466 "But I also think that the data we have so far indicates these vaccines are quite effective and, in the short term data, safe."
Posted by: BetaPhi at October 20, 2021 11:12 AM

On the basis of what, considering the fact that from the beginning more than 98% of people who get this recover having never been hospitalized, and since the roll-out the designation of "unvaccinated" includes people who had 1 shot or were under 14 days from their 2nd shot? There is no way to properly tract results given these factors.

Posted by: Sharon W at October 20, 2021 03:39 PM (qUbXX)

467 You would be a fool if you took any vaccine.

Posted by: Joe at October 20, 2021 05:15 PM (zihfA)

468 Just a quick comment but they ARE pursuing additional approaches. Merck just put in for emergency authorization of their antiviral about two weeks ago. It has a problem in that it's most effective if used early or on a mild case; on a moderate or severe case it has little effect.

Which is why it's a good idea to get vaxxed anyway, because with it the problems of symptoms from covid are very, very low. I forget the exact numbers but if we look at the vaccine reporting system (VAERS) it's something like the low thousands of reported issues out of hundreds of millions of doses. Whereas with covid the death rate is 1 out of a hundred, and the hospitalization rate is higher.

I frankly don't care what other people do about their lives, but it does bug me when they then wind up on ventilators in hospitals from something that was almost certainly preventable.

Posted by: Brian Pendell at October 21, 2021 10:10 AM (u1Aq4)

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