Gun Thread: 9/12 Edition

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Howdy, Y'all! Welcome to the wondrously fabulous Gun Thread! As always, I want to thank all of our regulars for being here week in and week out, and also offer a bigly Gun Thread welcome to any newcomers who may be joining us tonight. Howdy and thank you for stopping by! I hope you find our wacky conversation on the subject of guns 'n shooting both enjoyable and informative. You are always welcome to lurk in the shadows of shame, but I'd like to invite you to jump into the conversation, say howdy, and tell us what kind of shooting you like to do!

We passed a grim milestone yesterday with the 20th anniversary of the 9/11 attack on our country. I am not a particularly forgiving sort, and hope that those who perpetrated that obscenity are slowly roasting in the deepest part of Hell. Not much more to say on the matter other than never forget those who lost their lives that day, and also those who continue to suffer ill effects to this day. A very good friend of mine was a federal law enforcement officer at the time and was tasked with the unenviable job of picking through the Pentagon debris in a warehouse searching for human remains among the classified papers and other materials. As a result, he now suffers with significant respiratory issues, and his prognosis is not good.

Let's get to the gun stuff below, shall we?

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TxMoMe
Come one! Come all! The Texas MoMe, or Texas Moron Meetup will be here before you know it. Frankly, I am running out of new ways to implore you people to join us. Would begging help? Pleeeeeze? Pleeeeeze come to the damn MoMe? For those who have not been paying attention over the last several years, the Texas MoMe has become quite the jamboree hootenanny! What once could be held on 60 acres, has grown in size and scope to require a frickin' ranch of over 1,000 acres. It's big, people! BIG! My good friend Ben Had is the chief organizer and it is hosted by two others, RancherBob and Cow Horse Queen who are genuinely some of the nicest people on the planet. I mean, I love you all (no homo) but I sure as hell wouldn't invite you all to my house! Well, maybe the 'ette's. Anyhoo...

Weasel, what goes on at this Texas MoMe you speak of?

Again, it is like a big family reunion, except everybody there likes each other and has a good time. I swear to John Moses Browning that my face hurts after it's over from smiling and laughing so much. There truly is something for everyone, as long as you like fun, friends, epic people watching, laughing, food, drink, music, dancing, shooting, lying, cussing... it really has everything! And the greatest part is that everyone fits in. Even the quietest most introverted people come and have a good time. You can do as much as you like or as little as you like. Some people take advantage of the shooting opportunities, and others hang out and simply peek in from the sidelines enjoying the ample food and drink, which is just fine. Every year after it's over and participants are discussing it in the comments, we have people lamenting the fact they did not attend and have fun with the rest of us. You think the comment section here is fun? A MoMe - any MoMe - is about 10 times better. Why in the ever-loving hell do you think I spend so much time encouraging people to attend?

Corsicana, Texas on October 22nd and 23rd. Contact Ben Had for details and mention Weasel sent you.

Q: Weasel, did you mention shooting at the TXMoMe?
A: Why yes, yes I did mention shooting at the TXMoMe.

I'm not really sure how it started, but several MoMe's ago we set up a few targets and amused ourselves with plinking for an hour or two. Fast forward to this year where we have dedicated handgun and rifle ranges featuring shooting clinics on both ranges Friday, and with open shooting again on both ranges Saturday.

Q: Weasel, what the hell is a "shooting clinic?"
A: It's where you go after you have been shot, or maybe a place to learn some new things about shooting.

One of the reasons the TXMoMe is now a two day affair is the accommodation of shooting clinics. For a few years, I have been conducting, with varying degrees of success, a basic Introduction to Mid-Range Shooting class. This year we are adding a more formalized Handgun Basics class, with Jim SND and Eromero running that dealio, with the help of some other shooting pros. This is an excellent opportunity for the gun-curious first-time shooter, as well as those who may have been shooting for a while, to up their game. If you are interested, read on:

Handguns
Friday 22nd, 11am - 4pm. The program will cover range safety and the basics of a proper handgun stance, grip, sight alignment and trigger discipline, and will repeat throughout the day. There will also be targets available for those who want to try a variety of available weapons. You are welcome and encouraged to bring your favorite firearm if you like, and please consider bringing a little extra ammo to share since a big part of the fun is the ability to try other Moron's weapons.

Saturday 23rd, 11am - 4pm. Open range with the handgun presentation repeating throughout the day.

Rifles
Friday 22nd, 8am - 4pm. We start at 8am with a presentation on mid-range shooting concepts conducted in a classroom setting on the carport. Please bring a chair, pencil, paper and a pocket calculator if you are interested in participating. The topics covered include range safety, interior and exterior ballistics, practical exercises in computing firing solutions, and working with a coach or spotter. The presentation usually lasts until lunch, after which we will head to the range and engage targets from 50 to 700 yards. There will be separate targets setup for plinking at close range if that's what you like to do.

Saturday 23rd, 8:30am - 2pm or thereabouts. Open range. If you want to shoot, get there early as most of us want to head up to the main event and join the party around lunchtime. I will be available until around noon on the range to work with shooters, tell funny jokes, and generally act like a buffoon.

Important note In past years, we have tried to limit the size of the rifle class by having people register, and this year we are simply welcoming anyone who would like to attend. If you want to come and simply observe, you're absolutely welcome to do that too (but bring a chair). If you would like to shoot, bring a rifle and ammo (and a chair). It can be any reasonable caliber, but please, no AP or incendiary ammo of any sort. Any sort of chair is fine, but most people opt for the lightweight folding 'lawn chair' variety. I will also bring a couple of my practice guns and a very limited supply of ammo for those. You can improve your chances of getting a turn with one of them by bringing either .308 Winchester (168gr and up) or 5.56x45mm (70gr and up) ammo.

Also, once the bar opens, the ranges close. No exceptions. If you want to shoot, get 'er done before you start drinking.

OK - so that's a lot about the TxMoMe. Did I forget anything?

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First up we have a very important lesson from our pal Jesse in DC who a) is no longer in DC because of a girl, and 2) is a big enough man to share with all of us something that happened recently that he's not particularly proud of or happy about.

Last Sunday SiD and I arrived in Laramie after 4 days of driving a loaded truck from DC. I brought all my firearms. We unpacked the entire load into a near by storage facility. The first things I brought into our home were my gubs. I have several and each and every gun I unboxed, removed from the case and inspected for damage, and put in a safe space here. The very last gun I checked out is my venerable Mossberg 500 12 gauge shotgun. I showed it to SiD, noted the safety was broken, inspected the chamber with a finger to ensure it was empty, closed the action, tried the safety, and fired a round through the ceiling and the roof.

That is right. After no kidding 53 years of handling guns, I had my very own Negligent Discharge!!!

First and foremost, no one was injured at all, only property damage. Thank God. The gun WAS pointed in a safe direction. I am not certain if the broken safety contributed to it or not. The gun was loaded. MY GUN IN THE HOUSE WAS LOADED!!!!!!!

I did not check the magazine tube I made a serious mistake because I NEVER keep loaded guns in my house. I had not had that gun out of it's case even in years except for the George Floyd Memorial Riots in DC June a year ago. I do not remember loading it. My roommate does not admit loading it. It has a side saddle shell holder, that was full at the time of the ND, which is what the gun should have been loaded from. I have no explanation at all.

This is entirely MY FAULT!!! I could have killed the love of my fife, or the cats, or even me. I ASSUMED, there would be no rounds in the magazine, but I DID NOT CHECK.

WE carefully loaded the shotgun in the car and drove out in the country a ways, and I went through the cycling the action until I was POSITIVE it was empty. I was not sure and am still not, that moving the broken safety did not trip the trigger. I transported the gun with the action open until I was in a safe location. I found 3 loaded shells.

I am shocked and embarrassed. I am thankful nothing worse happened. I will say, I am a wiser man, and will not make THAT mistake again.

Ho-Lee Crap. Thanks for sharing that, Jesse. I'm sure you have beaten yourself up sufficiently. Congratulations on the move, by the way!

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Next up, our pal Jak Sucio sends us a nice range report.

I went to my local indoor range with my Ruger SR40C and my Rock Island Armory TCM 22. I carry my Ruger with me most times and I have grown used to it's quirks. But no matter how skilled you are, nothing beats practice. And more practice. The TCM 22 is the Mrs.' sidearm, but it's so much fun to shoot that I always bring it.

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This picture is exactly that how it started; poor breathing, fat fingering the trigger, you name it. Targets set at 7 yards.

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Starting to correct my errors and getting tighter groups.

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By the third target, I was, er, on target. Practice is definitely worth it.

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The TCM 22 is an excellent firearm. It packs a 40gr hollow point that moves at 2,000+ fps. When I switched over to that one, it stopped everyone else and all eyes were on me. When fired you have a rather large report and muzzle flame. Very little recoil and it generally stays on target. As a bonus, I have the barrel for a 9mm that will swap out in this model. Two, two, two firearms in one!!

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Very nice report and shooting! Well done. Thank you!

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Guess who else has been to the range? Why none other than our pal and delightful 'ette nurse r!

24 rounds at 7 yards. Rock Island 1911.

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That's some fine shooting right there, ma'am!

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From our pal AHL on a topic I think we should all be aware of. Yes, you should be ready for anything, but it's good to know how these sort of incidents typically play out.

A video I found fascinating looks at the actual distances of gunfights. The "Rule of Three" is widely quoted, but no one knows where it comes from. This video takes that as the starting point and then tries to find some hard data. Turns out, it isn't that far off. Good to know for practice and awareness.

Very, very interesting. What do you all think? Were you surprised with the conclusions?

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This very cool high-speed photography of bullets impacting steel becomes sort of boring after about a minute. Also, the choice of background porn vid music is an interesting choice. Still, very cool!

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Gun Basics 101
So you bought a gun. Congratulations! The very first thing I do after making certain it is unloaded is a thorough cleaning and lubrication before taking a new-to-me gun to the range. Why, you ask? Well taking it apart and putting it back together helps to familiarize you with the various parts and their function. Second, if it's a used gun it allows you to inspect it and clean out any crud left by the former owner, and if it's a new gun it allows you to remove any of the heavier preservative grease and oil applied to protect it during its time on a shelf.

Here's a video on basic pistol cleaning:

Here's another video with the She Equips Herself lady:

Don't be intimidated by this. For the most part, handguns are designed for ease of maintenance. YouTube is an excellent resource for "how-to" videos, and I am certain any firearm you are likely to own is covered. Practice the disassembly and reassembly of your firearm and it will become easier as you go along. Field-stripping a pistol usually involves simply breaking it down to it's major components, rather than completely taking it apart to the molecular level. Revolvers are nice because there is no disassembly required! Finally, whenever I am working on something like this for the first time I take pictures as I go along with the disassembly which I find helpful when it's time to put it back together. BONUS: Pics significantly cutting down on leftover parts!

Questions?

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Link-O-Rama

I'm really very seriously not kidding around anymore. Buy Ammo
AmmoSeek - online ammo search tool
GunBot - online ammo search tool
SG Ammo
Palmetto State Armory
Georgia Arms
AmmoMan
Target Sports USA
Bud's Gun Shop

***Mail Bag***

I believe it was Mr. O'Spades who posted this earlier in the week, and it is just too good not to repeat.

I've never seen anything quite this stupid on a range, but pretty close. Moral of the story? Don't be stupid.

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Weasel at 07:00 PM




Comments

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1 Fire away

Posted by: Skip at September 12, 2021 06:00 PM (2JoB8)

2 Hey Weasel! Hey gun thread!

I kinda wish we could combine this with the food thread: "Cooking with your gun"...

Posted by: qdpsteve (L2ZTs) at September 12, 2021 06:02 PM (L2ZTs)

3 That exhibition was a fraction of a inch a tragedy, sure they practiced a lot, but not enough.

Posted by: Skip at September 12, 2021 06:03 PM (2JoB8)

4 Gub!

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 12, 2021 06:04 PM (Xrfse)

5 Also re the TX MoMee:

I am seriously considering putting up a site for myself to raise money to attend, via GiveSendGo.

I'll pledge right now that any excess monies I receive will go toward food & beverages I'll bring for sharing at the event proper.

Posted by: qdpsteve (L2ZTs) at September 12, 2021 06:05 PM (L2ZTs)

6 I read the content dammit!

Howdy gub threaders!

Posted by: blaster at September 12, 2021 06:06 PM (mbFEM)

7 QDP,

Do you have no shame???



Posted by: four seasons at September 12, 2021 06:07 PM (Kuxsi)

8 Posted by: qdpsteve (L2ZTs) at September 12, 2021 06:02 PM (L2ZTs)
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Howdy!

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 06:07 PM (MVjcR)

9 Shoot at Shady Oaks and sleep at the Shady Rest.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 12, 2021 06:07 PM (63Dwl)

10 Jesse no longer in DC, Glad you and yours are okay. NDs are no fun whatsoever but can happen to anyone and are actually more likely with experience.

Posted by: whig at September 12, 2021 06:07 PM (xunV5)

11 Thanks Weasel, practice can't be emphasized enough.

Might fine shooting nurse!!

Posted by: Jak Sucio at September 12, 2021 06:08 PM (jvt6t)

12 RI Red is in the haus.
Just back from a week of vacation. First I've taken since I unretired about three years ago.

Posted by: RI Red at September 12, 2021 06:08 PM (CJtAX)

13
Load & Make Ready!

Posted by: AltonJackson at September 12, 2021 06:08 PM (DUIap)

14 Jesse,

Thank you very much for sharing that story. It is so easy to become complacent, but you remind us that that we can never ever assume anything!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 12, 2021 06:09 PM (Q9lwr)

15 I discovered a thing this past week. Rural King. It's like Tractor Supply Company. But with guns!

Picked up some .308 and 9mm in boxes at decent prices. Basically boxes at bulk prices. And no shipping!

Posted by: blaster at September 12, 2021 06:09 PM (mbFEM)

16 Wasn't there a popular turn of the century shotgun that had a similar problem?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 12, 2021 06:10 PM (csEWM)

17 Hiya Everyone!! Holy Canoli Jesse!!! Glad that no one was hurt!!

And that Steve Inman vid? That guy was extremely lucky, but what the hell were they trying to demonstrate?

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 12, 2021 06:10 PM (mcfjc)

18 Guess the guy in the Inman video asked for a little off the top.

Posted by: Thicc Boi at September 12, 2021 06:10 PM (zThcc)

19 YAY!

Now to content.

Posted by: GWB at September 12, 2021 06:11 PM (8YyYb)

20 no MoMe for me... even if i had the $$$, Resident 3vil is w*rking out of town, and someone needs to feed the beasts and take care of things around the house.

since we don't have servants or an illegal alien maid, as most of my neighbors do, that means me.

Posted by: redc1c4 *OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated & we all know it at September 12, 2021 06:11 PM (HQA9W)

21 AK cleaning mat
https://dailytimewaster.blogspot.com/2021/09/
mike-you-asked.html

Posted by: Skip at September 12, 2021 06:12 PM (2JoB8)

22 Had a ND once. I've always been a firearms safety nut and it surprised the sh*t out of me. No harm done but I learned a valuable lesson from it.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 12, 2021 06:12 PM (Xrfse)

23 Hubby bought Colt King Cobra .357 mag with a three inch barrel and a Palmetto State Armory Model 1911 .45 ACP.

He's happy as a clam.



Posted by: four seasons at September 12, 2021 06:12 PM (Kuxsi)

24 AR cleaning mat
https://dailytimewaster.blogspot.com/
2021/09/useful.html

Posted by: Skip at September 12, 2021 06:12 PM (2JoB8)

25 Treat every gun like it's loaded. Can't be said enough.

Posted by: f'd at September 12, 2021 06:13 PM (Tnijr)

26 God created men but Samuel Colt made them equal.

Posted by: four seasons at September 12, 2021 06:13 PM (Kuxsi)

27 Howdy, Horde! Sorry for missing last week, I was riding the hiways and byways of Montana on my new Beemer R-18, in the company of my daring better half. We were, as always, carrying. (there's the connection to the gub thread!) Much gasoline and alcohol were consumed as were yummy comestibles and we even soaked away the aches in honest to goodness real hot springs. Now to read the comments and contents. BRB,

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at September 12, 2021 06:13 PM (Iw46i)

28 Prayers for your friend Weasel.
A good buddy of mine was there. The left engine went under his office. He led several groups out of the building.
Cancer now. He might have a year left.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 12, 2021 06:13 PM (axyOa)

29 Nurse ratched is a show-off.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 12, 2021 06:14 PM (Q9lwr)

30 Oh, a piece of advice, don't try to disassemble your revolver unless you know exactly what you are doing and have the proper tools including some that are revolver specific. A few, like the High Standard revolvers were put together with pins and resemble building a ship in a bottle for reassembly.

Revolvers have all sorts of springs and sliding surfaces with some really small parts and it is easy to lose them. For the most part, oiling a revolver requires only minute amounts of oil in a few key spots. Use a needle type applicator bottle.

Semi-autos are far easier to field strip for cleaning and usually like more lubrication.

Posted by: whig at September 12, 2021 06:14 PM (xunV5)

31 Qdpsteve,

My email is in my nic. Shoot me a link if you set it up. Doesn't look like I can go. They still haven't built my trailer, house hasn't been cleaned out and I'm just stuck here.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at September 12, 2021 06:15 PM (YynYJ)

32 Nice shooting Nurse R.

Posted by: whig at September 12, 2021 06:16 PM (xunV5)

33 I agree with the rule of three, IF you don't practice situational awareness and you let your adversary to get within 3 feet of you, you will damn well be operating on 1/3 of the rule of three.

Posted by: Eromero at September 12, 2021 06:16 PM (0OP+5)

34 At first glance, thought that was the Townhouse in Greenwich Village the Weatherman blew themselves up in.

Posted by: jeff at September 12, 2021 06:16 PM (5ANmk)

35 redc1c4, you will be sorely missed. I'll hold onto that big hug I owe you until next year.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 12, 2021 06:17 PM (j6EPE)

36 Tonight's Cigar: RyJ Reserve Maduro

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 06:17 PM (MVjcR)

37 nurse's target looks funny. I wanna say they look like keyholes but I am not trying to be gun knowledgeable. I mean the holes look like old timey key holes.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 12, 2021 06:17 PM (csEWM)

38 Jesse, sorry that Murphy came to visit. Thank goodness no one was hurt. Good reminder of one of our rules:

"Always treat a weapon as if it was loaded, even when you know it's not"

Posted by: Hoyt"s Paid Turkish Provocateur at September 12, 2021 06:17 PM (MgC4Z)

39 Speaking of PSA they have AR15 rifle lowers at $119 (non blemish). You have to pay shipping but still.

If you think you might ever want an AR15 this is a deal. You can always pick up an upper later.

Posted by: blaster at September 12, 2021 06:18 PM (mbFEM)

40 34 At first glance, thought that was the Townhouse in Greenwich Village the Weatherman blew themselves up in.
Posted by: jeff at September 12, 2021 06:16 PM (5ANmk)

It is wrong that I just smiled for absolutely no reason?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 12, 2021 06:18 PM (csEWM)

41 TXMoMe, looking forward to attending. And thanks to CBD I will be bringing some .308 168gr to the party.

I have no range report, attention has been elsewhere. Up here in NYC 9/11 is always a somber reminder that Evil exists in the world. I always tell people that I am lucky that I do not have the images burned into my mind of the Towers being hit and then collapsing because I was on vacation and still asleep when it all happened. I did not wake up until my Mom called trying to reach my 2 brothers who lived in NJ (none worked in NYC at the time) and told me what happened.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 12, 2021 06:19 PM (mcfjc)

42 Howdy, Weasel, howdy, Horde

Posted by: callsign claymore at September 12, 2021 06:19 PM (pQHyE)

43 I noticed a whole bunch of Marlin 1894C lever guns in .357 magnum come up for sale today when I did a bing search. Those guns have been out of production for years and have been unavailable until today.


Very tempted to buy one but I smell parts guns that remington put together out of the spare parts bins and shoved out to the market to get rid of them for $$$ before ruger starts up production again.


I will pass even though I want one badly.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at September 12, 2021 06:19 PM (JUOKG)

44 Had one ND. Learning to field strip an S&W M&P 9C I had just traded from my son. (He got a Beretta 92 FS). Luckily three of the four rules applied. I hit a concrete brick in the basement.
And this was after shooting for some fifty years.

Posted by: RI Red at September 12, 2021 06:19 PM (CJtAX)

45 Notsothoreau, will do thanks!

Posted by: qdpsteve (L2ZTs) at September 12, 2021 06:20 PM (L2ZTs)

46 Weasel, an amendment. I have found a place here in town that does table/chair rental and I have already put the order in. We will have no shortage of either this year.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 12, 2021 06:20 PM (j6EPE)

47 FWIW, Gun Digest has a series of disassembly and assembly books. There are separate volumes for shotguns, rifles, rimfires, and handguns with pictures and brief instructions. Every several years or so, Gun Digest updates the manuals. Useful if you do not have the manual or have a relatively obscure firearm.

Posted by: whig at September 12, 2021 06:20 PM (xunV5)

48 Howdy, cc!

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 06:21 PM (MVjcR)

49 My lucky weekend - wife found me 3 boxes of 350 Legend at Walmart. Now I have actual loaded ammo instead of just cases and projectiles...

Posted by: tRusty Hudson at September 12, 2021 06:21 PM (iJCGt)

50 Hi Weasel and gun thread!

Nice shooting, nurse r!

Jesse, that's sobering. Thank you for the always pertinent reminder about safety. I've wondered how to empty out the magazine tube on a shotgun w/o cycling the shells through the chamber. It may be necessary, but it gives me the willies.

Posted by: Ed L at September 12, 2021 06:22 PM (7je7d)

51 Posted by: Diogenes at September 12, 2021 06:13 PM (axyOa)
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Thanks amigo.

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 06:23 PM (MVjcR)

52 Howdy Ed L!

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 06:23 PM (wrtVW)

53 Nice shooting, Nurse R.
But it does look like key-holing. What ammo were you shooting?

Posted by: RI Red at September 12, 2021 06:24 PM (CJtAX)

54 43 Mr. Scott,
FWIW, the last Marlin lever actions that Remington was putting out were better than when Remington first took over Marlin. I would just make sure that you could return it if it was not up to snuff if buying by internet.

Marlin's machinery was worn out and most of the Marlin employees did not go to Remington. Remington spent quite a bit on modernizing the tooling for the lever actions and geared up with CNC milling for them. So, they might be okay if late Remington parts, not so much Marlin transition parts.

Posted by: whig at September 12, 2021 06:25 PM (xunV5)

55 what the hell were they trying to demonstrate?
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 12, 2021 06:10 PM (mcfjc)

It looked like they were trying to be tacticool.
It looked like they were _actually_ being tactidumb.

Posted by: GWB at September 12, 2021 06:25 PM (8YyYb)

56 5 Also re the TX MoMee:

I am seriously considering putting up a site for myself to raise money to attend, via GiveSendGo.

I'll pledge right now that any excess monies I receive will go toward food & beverages I'll bring for sharing at the event proper.
Posted by: qdpsteve (L2ZTs) at September 12, 2021 06:05 PM (L2ZTs

Oh FFS!

Quit eating fast food every chance you can, quit buying music and save up for a trip like every other adult in the room.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 12, 2021 06:26 PM (aA3+G)

57 Howdy, Gub 'rons and 'ettes, and thanks, Weasel. Reading the TxMoMe paragraphs validated my decision to attend -- very much looking forward to it.

Jesse, thanks for the reminder that guns are always assumed to be loaded. I have to tighten up my handling habits.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy Agr8U at September 12, 2021 06:26 PM (Agr8U)

58 He's happy as a clam.

Posted by: four seasons at September 12, 2021 06:12 PM (Kuxsi)


I'd be happy with that much money, too. Dang, I'm envious.

Posted by: GWB at September 12, 2021 06:26 PM (8YyYb)

59 so, I got this new neighbor, cityboy, anyway shows up with outa state plates, moves in and promptly shoots a hole in his new house ... we all heard it

talked to him a bit later, anyways went over to Franks house and showed the new guy the .30 caliber hole in the floorboard of Franks Ford truck

Posted by: Ted in WY at September 12, 2021 06:26 PM (bTQ72)

60 Hiya Weasel !

Posted by: JT at September 12, 2021 06:27 PM (arJlL)

61 Howdy, S'puppy! Looking forward to seeing you in Texas!

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 06:27 PM (MVjcR)

62 Will people be bringing musical instruments to the TX MoMee? Wonder if anyone wants to perform for us. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve (L2ZTs) at September 12, 2021 06:27 PM (L2ZTs)

63 I, too, will admit to committing a ND. There is a hole in my wife's table a Rancho Plan "B" that she will not let me fix. This serves as a reminder to all (not just me) to be MOHR CAREFUL. fingers slip.

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at September 12, 2021 06:27 PM (Iw46i)

64 ..Semi-autos are far easier to field strip for cleaning and usually like more lubrication. Posted by: whig at September 12, 2021 06:14 PM (xunV5)


Absolutely correct. And I will *not* bring my revolver tools to the TxMoMeet. That's strictly for at home, on the office workbench. With good lighting and no distractions. I can tune a S&W revolver quite nicely, and most vintage Colt's seldom need a "tuning", so much as a detail disassembly and de-gunking. Alas, I don't have the "jig" to do Ruger revolvers, and no, one is advised to NOT try to tune 'em without first placing the lockworks into the correct jig. Gotta keep those parts relations and timings, RIGHT!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 12, 2021 06:28 PM (QzJWU)

65 Ok, First World Problems. Too late for CBD's thread.
I was gifted 600 rounds of Wolf .223 steel case (plus 400 rounds of Winchester Wildcat .22).
Do I shoot the Wolf or send it on a canoe ride?

Posted by: RI Red at September 12, 2021 06:28 PM (CJtAX)

66 YouTube (yeah I know) has videos of everything. Like the ones linked here about gun cleaning. So you can look up how to clean just about any firearm.

Posted by: blaster at September 12, 2021 06:28 PM (mbFEM)

67 Did anyone else know that in his very early days, pre med school, Dr Fauci was an inventor?

This is a very early patent of his. Would help keep you warm on the gun range practicing, I guess.

https://tinyurl.com/4xhrpxd2

Posted by: qdpsteve (L2ZTs) at September 12, 2021 06:29 PM (L2ZTs)

68 I am still new to the shooting sport and have not had an ND, yet.

When I was at the Sig Academy in May one of the people taking the class had one.

It was the first class. The instructors had us on the firing line facing the target. Gun empty, holstered and no magazine in gun.

They wanted us to draw the gun from the holster, present, aim at target and pull the trigger.

We did that and BOOM, the guy 3 down and to my left sent a round into the target. He did not check to see that there was not a round in the chamber and had an ND, luckily while pointing down range at a target.

Hopefully I can go through life without an ND.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 12, 2021 06:30 PM (mcfjc)

69 65 RI Red, The steel cased is not so much a problem on function but usually a little dirty but don't fire bi metal jacketed ammo through your match AR rifles. It is mild steel jacketed but it is steel. You could also probably get top dollar for it if you chose to sell it. It is going for about 50-60 cents per round.

Not all of Wolf is steel jacketed but a magnet will tell the tale.

Posted by: whig at September 12, 2021 06:30 PM (xunV5)

70 Speaking of PSA they have AR15 rifle lowers at $119 (non blemish). You have to pay shipping but still.

Posted by: blaster at September 12, 2021 06:18 PM (mbFEM)


Midway and others (including PSA) have had them for $79. That's all I paid for my Swalwell F15s and Nukes edition. (If I can figure out how to light it decently, I'll send Weasel a pic.)

And yes, you can always stockpile a few and build later. I've got my first build which I like very much, thank you, and a few lowers I can use to build something like a .50 Beowulf - someday.

Posted by: GWB at September 12, 2021 06:30 PM (8YyYb)

71 Howdy, JT!

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 06:31 PM (MVjcR)

72 Jesse in DC, I have never admitted this to anyone (other than Mrs. SOB who was downstairs at the time and nearly had a heart attack), but I did the exact same thing with a Mossberg 500 12 ga., except the load of 7 shot went through the master bathroom mirror. I pulled it out of the closet, checked the chamber (empty), racked it, and pulled the trigger. BOOM. Thank God it did not penetrate an exterior wall, and nobody else was upstairs. I swear to God I do not remember loading the magazine the last time I put the gun away.

I think about what might have been the consequences of my stupidity every time I have picked up a firearm ever since. Always check, and check again. Every. Single. Time.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at September 12, 2021 06:31 PM (CmPBR)

73 Wow Weasel! You got quite a nice schedule for the Texas MoMe....Sounds like fun for everyone lucky to attend.

I never could figure out what those two idiots in that video were hoping to accomplish.

Negligent discharge....glad no one was hurt or worse.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 12, 2021 06:32 PM (R/m4+)

74 Dick Van Dyke is the bad guy on Columbo tonight. Killed his wife with a Luger

Posted by: f'd at September 12, 2021 06:32 PM (Tnijr)

75 Semi-autos are far easier to field strip for cleaning and usually like more lubrication.

Posted by: whig at September 12, 2021 06:14 PM (xunV5)
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unless, of course, it's a Ruger Mk I, II, or III... i hear they finally made the IV so normal people could disassemble and put them back together.

Posted by: redc1c4 *OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated & we all know it at September 12, 2021 06:32 PM (HQA9W)

76 Do I shoot the Wolf or send it on a canoe ride?

Posted by: RI Red at September 12, 2021 06:28 PM (CJtAX)


Oooo Oooo Oooo, canoe ride?

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 12, 2021 06:33 PM (mcfjc)

77 Thx, Whig. I have a 20" bbl Bushmaster that I baby. I think I'll run it through the M-Forgery instead.

Posted by: RI Red at September 12, 2021 06:33 PM (CJtAX)

78 Fine shooting by Nurse R and Jak Sucio!

As for me, another day at ESS with the G19 and .22LR AR.

Tried the Dot Torture drill at 4 yards this time but was all over the place for the strong hand only dot. Weirdly enough, weak hand only was just fine. Go figure.

Posted by: Thicc Boi at September 12, 2021 06:33 PM (zThcc)

79 >>>what the hell were they trying to demonstrate?

>It was an audition for the next installment of Resident Evil.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at September 12, 2021 06:33 PM (iz53w)

80 Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 12, 2021 06:32 PM (R/m4+)
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Thanks, it's a lot of fun!!

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 06:33 PM (MVjcR)

81 Midway and others (including PSA) have had them for $79. That's all I paid for my Swalwell F15s and Nukes edition. (If I can figure out how to light it decently, I'll send Weasel a pic.)

And yes, you can always stockpile a few and build later. I've got my first build which I like very much, thank you, and a few lowers I can use to build something like a .50 Beowulf - someday.
Posted by: GWB at September 12, 2021 06:30 PM (8YyYb)


Complete lowers for $79? That sounds like a stripped lower price. PSAs $119 is a complete, assembled lower.

Posted by: blaster at September 12, 2021 06:34 PM (mbFEM)

82 Hi Weasel, Gun thread!
My cigar tonight is an Alibi paired withy Montana Honey Moonshine.
No range report, everything out here is closed due to fire danger. I do have a gun show report.
Moses Lake, WA. Very nice and well attended show. Ammo prices are still elevated but coming down. I see a lot of older ammo that has been sitting around being sold at current prices. Especially .22 lr.
Unprimered brass at a buck apiece? Really, I don't know if that's reasonable or a ripoff. I don't reload so, just asking. There were primers of various types but not many and the boxes looked old.
Masks though ordered by our governor were not worn with few exception. There was no love lost for that twerp and less for biden.
If you haven't been to a show, go. Lots of good people, guns and knives.

Posted by: Winston, GOPe, not one dime, not one vote at September 12, 2021 06:34 PM (FtJ1S)

83 redc1c4, you will be sorely missed.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 12, 2021 06:17 PM (j6EPE)
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the only way anyone could possibly miss me is by not aiming... and, even then, given my cross section these days, they'd have to try real hard...

Posted by: redc1c4 *OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated & we all know it at September 12, 2021 06:34 PM (HQA9W)

84 Weasel, one of my coworkers on 9/11 (a USN Seabee LT JG then) got drafted as a casualty assistance officer for the Pentagon. He had the job of notifying next of kin, getting death benefits set up, and planning funerals. Years later, he told me that he considered those four months tougher than a year's deployment to Iraq or Afghanistan.

Posted by: Ed L at September 12, 2021 06:34 PM (7je7d)

85 In almost 40 years of shooting I have never had a ND but I am obsessive about checking for EVERY TIME I PICK UP A FIREARM. I would rather be neurotic than shoot a hole in something or someone I wasn't aiming at.

Posted by: JTB at September 12, 2021 06:34 PM (7EjX1)

86 unless, of course, it's a Ruger Mk I, II, or III... i hear they finally made the IV so normal people could disassemble and put them back together.

Posted by: redc1c4

Majestic Arms and one other company make kits to change your old Ruger .22 LR semi auto to be able to speed strip it.

Otherwise, use a boresnake.

Posted by: whig at September 12, 2021 06:35 PM (xunV5)

87 Howdy Winston!

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 06:35 PM (MVjcR)

88 65 Ok, First World Problems. Too late for CBD's thread.
I was gifted 600 rounds of Wolf .223 steel case (plus 400 rounds of Winchester Wildcat .22).
Do I shoot the Wolf or send it on a canoe ride?

Posted by: RI Red at September 12, 2021 06:28 PM

Save it for zombie times.

Posted by: Eromero at September 12, 2021 06:35 PM (0OP+5)

89 I think about what might have been the consequences of my stupidity every time I have picked up a firearm ever since. Always check, and check again. Every. Single. Time.
Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at September 12, 2021 06:31 PM (CmPBR)

Additional lesson is never point at anything you don't intend to shoot, especially with your finger on the trigger.

Posted by: Jen the original at September 12, 2021 06:35 PM (7gMjc)

90 Weasel!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 12, 2021 06:35 PM (kTF2Z)

91 I've wondered how to empty out the magazine tube on a shotgun w/o cycling the shells through the chamber.

Posted by: Ed L at September 12, 2021 06:22 PM (7je7d)

If you're serious about it - like you have a broken chamber or a stuck firing pin or something - you can always remove (carefully!) the magazine end cap and take things out that way. Had to do that with my son's shotgun when he got rounds stuck in the mag tube.

Otherwise, you would have to figure out how to move the little doohickey that holds the shells in when the loading ramp is up.

Posted by: GWB at September 12, 2021 06:36 PM (8YyYb)

92 If you don't want to come to the TXMoMe for the shooting, deep fried bacon, bacon wrapped cheese stuffed jalapenos, free dinners and open bar--the door prizes are worth the trip by themselves.

Mis Hum, Thank you ain't going to cover this.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 12, 2021 06:36 PM (j6EPE)

93 53 Nice shooting, Nurse R.
But it does look like key-holing. What ammo were you shooting?
Posted by: RI Red


I was using Fiocchi 230 GR FMJ.

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 12, 2021 06:36 PM (U2p+3)

94 I can bring an extra chair to the TXMoMe. Just hope we do not have a monsoon come through like last year.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 12, 2021 06:36 PM (mcfjc)

95
The free-range, organic trees at WA rustle their leaves and needles, whispering for attention

The equipment at WA sits quietly, hoping for some fresh POL.

The shooting range at WA reposes silently, hoping for the clang of projectile on metal, or, at a minimum, the ping of a clip being ejected.

The Commentariat of the GT at AoSHQ waits silently for a new video, which closes with cameos of WD & FSJ.

Waiting. Waiting.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 12, 2021 06:37 PM (a3Q+t)

96 88 65 Ok, First World Problems. Too late for CBD's thread.
I was gifted 600 rounds of Wolf .223 steel case (plus 400 rounds of Winchester Wildcat .22).
Do I shoot the Wolf or send it on a canoe ride?

Posted by: RI Red at September 12, 2021 06:28 PM

Save it for zombie times.
Posted by: Eromero at September 12, 2021 06:35 PM (0OP+5)

Trading for socks and smokes in the camps.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 12, 2021 06:37 PM (aA3+G)

97 Right now, you can get fully assembled 5.56/.223 lowers with carbine stocks from Anderson for about $150-200 and from Aeroprecision (their M4E1) for about $100 more. Check Aimsurplus, Midway, and Primary Arms among others.

Posted by: whig at September 12, 2021 06:37 PM (xunV5)

98 and i just checked the Lotto ticket i bought Fryday...

not a single number.

Posted by: redc1c4 *OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated & we all know it at September 12, 2021 06:37 PM (HQA9W)

99 Duke!

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 06:38 PM (MVjcR)

100 I am not able to make the TXMoMe, for reasons, like work and sh!t. Have boocoo fun, tho. And, IF anyone is heading South thru Hampton, VA, I've a place to nap and could possibly contribute some ammo to the horde to be taken SSW. BB in a bit, My cigar this evening is a MonteCristo "Memories"

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at September 12, 2021 06:38 PM (Iw46i)

101 Do I shoot the Wolf or send it on a canoe ride?
Posted by: RI Red at September 12, 2021 06:28 PM (CJtAX)

Heck yes. Then recycle the 'brass' at your local recycling center. Then clean your weapon.

Posted by: GWB at September 12, 2021 06:38 PM (8YyYb)

102 Yo, Boss!
Got a Vortex Crossfire II 6x24x50 coming in from Opticsplanet for the new Christensen Ranger .22. Even forsook range time today to save ammo for it.

Posted by: RI Red at September 12, 2021 06:39 PM (CJtAX)

103 Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 12, 2021 06:37 PM (a3Q+t
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Ha! Now that cooler weather is here, I hope to get the video gear back out soon!

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 06:39 PM (MVjcR)

104 Just received my Allman Bros greatest hits CD.

Posted by: qdpsteve (L2ZTs) at September 12, 2021 06:39 PM (L2ZTs)

105 Posted by: RI Red at September 12, 2021 06:39 PM (CJtAX)
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Howdy, bro! Congratulations!

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 06:40 PM (MVjcR)

106 Thanks, GWB. I'll try that w/ a 12 gauge snap cap and see how it works.

Posted by: Ed L at September 12, 2021 06:40 PM (7je7d)

107 77 RI Red, no problem. If you care to see torture tests using steel cased Sov bloc ammo, Lucky Gunner did it using thousands of rounds with American Eagle as a control ammo.

Check their lab tab on the Lucky Gunner ammo sales website.

Posted by: whig at September 12, 2021 06:40 PM (xunV5)

108 We spent the night Monday camping on our land in Florida. It was hot.

Posted by: blaster at September 12, 2021 06:41 PM (mbFEM)

109 Well, guess I won't admit to something like that again Having said that, glad that most of the rest of you have never experienced a ND. Over 30 years of firearms experience, myself. Not gonna beat myself up over it. Shit happened and as I said, it was an extremely valuable lesson.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 12, 2021 06:42 PM (Xrfse)

110 And hi guys. Thanks for the encouragement. Mark told me I should take a pic and send it in.

Having a shooting buddy/mentor makes all the difference. We watch each other for stance and grip and the dreaded flinch. We challenge each other to different drills, double taps, mozambique or raise and shoot. It's really fun. And surprisingly stress reducing.

Thank you Mark Andrew Edwards for all your patience and encouragement.

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 12, 2021 06:42 PM (U2p+3)

111 same thing with a Mossberg 500 12 ga.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at September 12, 2021 06:31 PM (CmPBR)

ALWAYS check the loaded indicator in the tube. I think Mossberg has made theirs fluorescent orange for ages exactly so you can see whether there's a round in there or not. And the open bottom means all you have to do is flip it over and look.

(Not slamming anyone, but that check needs to be done and Mossberg makes it easy.)

Posted by: GWB at September 12, 2021 06:42 PM (8YyYb)

112 Donald Rumsfeld helping to carry a stretcher out of the Pentagon on 911.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipxiGjgA5Xs

Posted by: Jen the original at September 12, 2021 06:42 PM (7gMjc)

113 Complete lowers for $79? That sounds like a stripped lower price. PSAs $119 is a complete, assembled lower.
Posted by: blaster at September 12, 2021 06:34 PM (mbFEM)


Oh! Dang I missed that part. Sorry. (Yes, stripped lowers for $79.)
But what's the fun in not putting all those little pins and springs in place?

Posted by: GWB at September 12, 2021 06:44 PM (8YyYb)

114 Maybe I just bring it to Texas and let it foul everyone else's AR!

Posted by: RI Red at September 12, 2021 06:44 PM (CJtAX)

115 hiya foax !

did my ND about 40 years ago, S&W 66, "dry fire" (LOL) into a bookcase.

came close a couple times since then, but always checking has saved me ... carrying has been good for that too, reinforcing the assumption that a gun is always loaded.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (Seiya) at September 12, 2021 06:44 PM (Seiya)

116 104 Just received my Allman Bros greatest hits CD.

Posted by: qdpsteve (L2ZTs) at September 12, 2021 06:39 PM

Turn up Jessica to 11. Drink lots of Jack.

Posted by: Eromero at September 12, 2021 06:45 PM (0OP+5)

117 I would like to reassure my fellow introverts that the TXMoMe is indeed a load of fun, even for introverts. We have a way of finding each other for our own quiet convos or you can just sit and listen to everyone else be interesting.

Just come sit by me and we can be introverted together.

Posted by: Emmie at September 12, 2021 06:46 PM (6RgRK)

118 Posted by: Emmie at September 12, 2021 06:46 PM (6RgRK)
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Hiya Emmie!!

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 06:46 PM (MVjcR)

119 Eromero, thanks. :-)
I was looking forward to hearing the original of Midnight Rider.

Also I found out, it's hard to find a CD copy of Idlewild South.

Posted by: qdpsteve (L2ZTs) at September 12, 2021 06:47 PM (L2ZTs)

120 TxMoMe is on my bucket list but not this year. Maybe next.

Posted by: blaster at September 12, 2021 06:48 PM (mbFEM)

121 92 If you don't want to come to the TXMoMe for the shooting, deep fried bacon, bacon wrapped cheese stuffed jalapenos, free dinners and open bar--the door prizes are worth the trip by themselves.

Mis Hum, Thank you ain't going to cover this.
Posted by: Ben Had at September 12, 2021 06:36 PM (j6EPE)

I have no idea what you speak of.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 12, 2021 06:48 PM (aA3+G)

122 Interesting, Nurse R. Were you firing downwards, by chance?
I've had very good luck with Fiocchi in multiple calibers.

Posted by: RI Red at September 12, 2021 06:49 PM (CJtAX)

123 GWB, the technique of cycling the shells through the chamber was taught to me by my old National Guard unit. For civil disturbance training one year, the unit broke out some old Winchester Model 12 trench guns. Got to fire one magazine (five rounds) of 00 buckshot w/ that sword bayonet attached. Couldn't take the end cap off those because the bayonet lug mount and heat shield got in the way. Modern shotguns are definitely easier to disassemble than those.

Posted by: Ed L at September 12, 2021 06:49 PM (7je7d)

124 No range report, but I do have a supplies report. Was able to score 2K large pistol primers, and 1K magnum large pistol primers. First primers I've seen in over a year. Bullets are beginning to show some replenishment, brass not so much so, and powder is remains non-existent.

The price of Norma .308 150 gr. has increased $3 to $24.99, but remains available.

5.56x45 62gr. is beginning to dry up on rumors that it's not being made anymore, and is being replaced with an all-copper projectile.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 12, 2021 06:50 PM (a3Q+t)

125 MisHum, are you coming to the TX MoMee this year or next year? Maybe both?

(Yes I actually still plan to be there. I almost wrote 'come,' but phrasing...)

Posted by: qdpsteve (L2ZTs) at September 12, 2021 06:50 PM (L2ZTs)

126 Weasel! Horde! Nice shootin', nurse and Jak!

I have a range report and the best part is I'm now a member of a range! Along with a buddy of mine, J and I joined our local outdoor range. There are 2 pistol ranges, one of which is a "practical" pistol range, several rifle ranges including the canyon range up to 1200 yards, and a shotgun range. There's even an enclosed area with a wood stove for those -20 degree days in Wyoming. [pt 1]

Posted by: screaming in digital (Jesse's Girl) at September 12, 2021 06:50 PM (kTRt4)

127 I do already have $300 saved toward getting to the MoMee.

Posted by: qdpsteve (L2ZTs) at September 12, 2021 06:51 PM (L2ZTs)

128 Weasel, we set up targets that year in Ben Had's horse shed and shot air rifles in the epic mudfest. It was glorious.

Posted by: Eromero at September 12, 2021 06:51 PM (0OP+5)

129 Emmie!! I could not have been more happy to meet you and can't wait to give you a hug again. That goes for that guy that travels with you too!

Posted by: Ben Had at September 12, 2021 06:51 PM (j6EPE)

130 Stupidity at the range carries a stiff price tag.

Will quip for ammo.

Posted by: sven at September 12, 2021 06:51 PM (Lzpvj)

131 122 Interesting, Nurse R. Were you firing downwards, by chance?
I've had very good luck with Fiocchi in multiple calibers.
Posted by: RI Red

Perhaps only slightly. Is this a bad thing? Will it damage my firearm? Or is this a symptom of my firearm not working properly.

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 12, 2021 06:51 PM (U2p+3)

132 A very good friend of mine was a federal law enforcement officer at the time and was tasked with the unenviable job of picking through the Pentagon debris in a warehouse searching for human remains

So, my daughter told me she read that if search dogs don't find remains in a day or two they get discouraged. So, handlers will hide so the dogs can find them and dogs are encouraged to continue.

Anybody know about the accuracy of that?

Posted by: olddog in mo, Pontoon Captain* (like a real captain, only drunker) at September 12, 2021 06:52 PM (fRmYM)

133 Do I shoot the Wolf or send it on a canoe ride? Wolf is perfectly good ammo, I've shot thousands of rounds of it, mostly 762x39 but plenty of 223 and 308 too. I've never had any problem with it.

Posted by: ck at September 12, 2021 06:52 PM (iBg56)

134 Good advice on having disassembly/assembly material on hand. I have several covering just about every gun I own. The black powder guns are, relatively, simple as are some military surplus rifles and SxS shotguns. But the assembly books cover the bolts on rifles as well which is worth having. Even I, one of the least mechanically inclined creatures on the planet, have been able to work on the bolt from an '03 Springfield that needed to be cleaned and lubed after a century of use.

Posted by: JTB at September 12, 2021 06:52 PM (7EjX1)

135 You never forget your first ND.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 12, 2021 06:52 PM (a3Q+t)

136 Posted by: screaming in digital (Jesse's Girl) at September 12, 2021 06:50 PM (kTRt4)
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Howdy, SiD! Now we'll be expecting range reports!

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 06:52 PM (MVjcR)

137 If I meet y'all at any gun range at the TX MoMee this year or next, be prepared, I will most likely be annoying about safety, which I've heard is preferable to being unsafe.

"I'm going to put my finger here... I'm going to turn around now... I'm going to point the gun at the target..."

Posted by: qdpsteve (L2ZTs) at September 12, 2021 06:52 PM (L2ZTs)

138 Weasel, we set up targets that year in Ben Had's horse shed and shot air rifles in the epic mudfest. It was glorious.
Posted by: Eromero at September 12, 2021 06:51 PM (0OP+5)
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Yes we did! Weren't we shooting out back the year before?

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 06:53 PM (MVjcR)

139 Ok, I guess I'll have to publish ranges on my next 100 shootouts. For science.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 12, 2021 06:54 PM (FvCkv)

140 Nah, Nurse, your firearm is fine. I'm just interested in what the bullets do down range.
Key holing (like the early M-16 rounds) does extreme damage to the target.

Posted by: RI Red at September 12, 2021 06:55 PM (CJtAX)

141 Awaiting jp silent capture buffer and recoil spring. Optics planet on sale 45 dollar off. Shipping is slowwww. Should quiet an annoying buffer sproing.

Posted by: USNtakim deplorable still. at September 12, 2021 06:57 PM (0OmEj)

142 "I'm going to put my finger here... I'm going to turn around now... I'm going to point the gun at the target..."
Posted by: qdpsteve (L2ZTs) at September 12, 2021 06:52 PM


Be advised that Eromero learned a naughty word or two from some senior NCOs in the Navy.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 12, 2021 06:57 PM (a3Q+t)

143 138 Weasel, we set up targets that year in Ben Had's horse shed and shot air rifles in the epic mudfest. It was glorious.
Posted by: Eromero at September 12, 2021 06:51 PM (0OP+5)
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Yes we did! Weren't we shooting out back the year before?

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 06:53 PM

The year before I weaseled out and didn't 'come'. Ain't missed since though.

Posted by: Eromero at September 12, 2021 06:57 PM (0OP+5)

144 Well, IDPA was yesterday, and, of course, I didn't make it. Household chores that I used to do during the week are now weekend chores, because I'm working a short term contract.

Sigh.

Ah well, more bucks = equal more shooting for yours truly.

Thanks again for the thread, weasel!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at September 12, 2021 06:57 PM (2SdPm)

145
Don't take it so hard on the ND. I have not had one yet and don't plan too.

However, I did have a NP once. Negligent Proposal to the wife to be (now divorced). NP's on average are FAR MORE dangerous and risky these days.

Posted by: Sapwolf at September 12, 2021 06:57 PM (TGWA4)

146 Weasel, yes we were. We have only had one MoMe that didn't have shooting and that was the very first one. Crikey, this is year #7

Posted by: Ben Had at September 12, 2021 06:58 PM (j6EPE)

147 Just read that Jessica is the theme to the BBC show Top Gear.

Also, Journey Of The Sorcerer is the theme for BBC's Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy.

Brits like using American country rock instrumentals for themes, apparently.

Posted by: qdpsteve (L2ZTs) at September 12, 2021 06:58 PM (L2ZTs)

148 [pt 2] After orientation and a tour we practiced a bit on the pistol range with the few pistols we'd brought that day. I worked with my Sig for the first time in awhile. First round was almost dead center, then I proceeded to miss the paper entirely with several shots. I made some corrections with varying degrees of success. We concluded that I may be misunderstanding how to use the sights on this pistol. J says next range trip we will do one shot at a time and adjust each time until we can figure out what I'm doing wrong.

My targets are much too embarrassing to send to Weasel. Maybe next time!

I was supposed to go to my very first gun show this weekend, but we had to miss it due to some unexpected travel.

Posted by: screaming in digital (Jesse's Girl) at September 12, 2021 06:58 PM (kTRt4)

149 141 Awaiting jp silent capture buffer and recoil spring. Optics planet on sale 45 dollar off. Shipping is slowwww. Should quiet an annoying buffer sproing.
Posted by: USNtakim deplorable still. at September 12, 2021 06:57 PM (0OmEj)
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I periodically squirt lithium grease into the buffer tube which seems to work well.

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 06:58 PM (MVjcR)

150 ..You never forget your first ND. Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 12, 2021 06:52 PM (a3Q+t)


You talkin' bout firearms or first dates?

*evil grin*

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 12, 2021 06:58 PM (QzJWU)

151 Duncan, no problemo. :-)
I have good memories of being on the set of some public access TV shows when things didn't go quite right...

Posted by: qdpsteve (L2ZTs) at September 12, 2021 06:59 PM (L2ZTs)

152 Interesting, Nurse R. Were you firing downwards, by chance?

I don't think that's keyholing. I think it's just the way the thin paper tears instead of punching cleanly. The way to know for sure is to use a cardboard backer.

Posted by: Oddbob at September 12, 2021 06:59 PM (nfrXX)

153 Following, is 3 yards the actual common engagement distance, is,
'Are Pistol Sights Actually Useful for Self Defense?'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfX0TmMMJFc

Posted by: Braenyard at September 12, 2021 06:59 PM (Tw76q)

154
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at September 12, 2021 06:57 PM (2SdPm)
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Happy to do it!

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 06:59 PM (MVjcR)

155 146 Weasel, yes we were. We have only had one MoMe that didn't have shooting and that was the very first one. Crikey, this is year #7
Posted by: Ben Had at September 12, 2021 06:58 PM (j6EPE)
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Such good times!

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 07:00 PM (MVjcR)

156 Speaking of negligent discharges, I almost had a NG in my face from a .308.

I had picked up a firearm, and, for some reason, I put the rifle in my safe cocked.

I was moving some stuff around in the safe, bumped the trigger on that rifle and, "Click."

It took a bit before I stopped shaking. I've no idea if I cleared the rifle, and forgot to pull the trigger after I checked the chamber, or, if the rifle was cocked when I picked it up to put in storage. Either way, I was not a happy camper.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at September 12, 2021 07:01 PM (2SdPm)

157 I don't think that's keyholing. I think it's just the way the thin paper tears instead of punching cleanly. The way to know for sure is to use a cardboard backer.
Posted by: Oddbob

I don't get the same effect with my 9mm or .22. Those make perfect little circular holes. And I use the same kind of targets.

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 12, 2021 07:02 PM (U2p+3)

158 blake, yikes.

I have the impression that whenever handling a firearm, it's best to do everything in. slow. motion. to. make. sure. no. safety. steps. are. forgotten.

Posted by: qdpsteve (L2ZTs) at September 12, 2021 07:03 PM (L2ZTs)

159 124 Duncanthrax at September 12, 2021 06:50 PM (a3Q+t)

Duncan, the M855A1 is what the Army is replacing the old green tip with. M855A1 first started appearing in 2011; I saw it deployed in Afghanistan w/ the grunts then. I understand Lake City was working 24/7 to crank out the rounds to replace the Army's supply of green tips. Pluses for the M855A1 are that it performs better than green tip (more accurate, does better against cover, doesn't depend on yaw for lethality) and is designed for use in M4 carbines. The big minuses are that it generates higher chamber pressures than previous generations of 5.56, which wears out the bolts faster and cannot be safely fired indoors. There are a bunch of YouTube videos where shooters test the effectiveness of M855A1 on a variety of targets. The Power Point presentation about the M855A1 is available for download to the public; you should be able to find it w/ an internet search.

Posted by: Ed L at September 12, 2021 07:03 PM (7je7d)

160 The Nurse is one hell of a shot with single action firearms.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, shotguns solve problems at September 12, 2021 07:03 PM (eeRB6)

161 This week was AR-180 week. I took my Howa AR-180 and my Armalite AR-180B out for some long distance, 150-600 yards, shooting. Both performed very well, with the Japanese version the more accurate of the two. One thing I like about the AR-180 rifles is the quick detach scope mount on top of the receiver. I popped on a Leupold Vx-R Patrol and was off to the races.

The AR-180 has the folding stock, duckbill flash hider, only takes AR-180 magazines and no bayonet. The AR-180B has a fixed stock, muzzle device as part of the barrel, takes any standard AR type magazine and takes a bayonet. Both use a modified gas piston system borrowed heavily from the Soviet SVT series of rifles.

The AR-180B is actually a little too light, using a polymer lower. The AR-180 by Howa is just right but both are still not as accurate as my AR's, but very close.

Funny to shoot a rifle made in Japan not named Arisaka.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 12, 2021 07:03 PM (R/m4+)

162 Weasel, you're inspiring me to get better with my pistol. Still love my carbine more though.

Posted by: Draki at September 12, 2021 07:03 PM (hwhW9)

163 yeah, I was missing last week, too ... went into the backwoods Up North until I had 0 bars, then turned off my phones and played ham radio for a couple of days ... carrying The Worlds Heaviest Snubbie, my beloved 629 (bear country dontcha know).
pesky thing is, it's just too much for the Alpha Holsters bellyband that I use for the J-frame in the summer, so I ended up wearing a Galco shoulder rig I bought 20 years ago and almost never use because the leather was treated with some ghastly petrochemical that Mrs Eez vigorously objects to.
found some old W-W Silvertip 44mag in the drop boxes which I managed to expend against creekbeds shooting at beercans I found in the woods and/or brought with me.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (Seiya) at September 12, 2021 07:03 PM (Seiya)

164 Also, all of my guns are always loaded. I don't think there's any exceptions, unless the gun is broken down for repairs.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, shotguns solve problems at September 12, 2021 07:03 PM (eeRB6)

165 Nurse R, try a different type of target with that pistol and see what happens.

If the same thing happens, maybe look for a lighter round for the pistol and go from there.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at September 12, 2021 07:04 PM (2SdPm)

166 Ben Had, do you need any help hauling tables and chairs? We'll be glad to bring a truck if need be, otherwise will drive car since that is better for Pepper.

Posted by: Eromero at September 12, 2021 07:04 PM (0OP+5)

167 I have a hunch that, if I get to shoot at the range, I will do some pretty good target shooting.

That's because there's a variety of people I plan to imagine the target is, when I'm shooting... :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve (L2ZTs) at September 12, 2021 07:04 PM (L2ZTs)

168 And thank you for the thread, weasel. And thanks for posting my target!

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 12, 2021 07:04 PM (U2p+3)

169 Weasel, you're inspiring me to get better with my pistol. Still love my carbine more though.
Posted by: Draki at September 12, 2021 07:03 PM (hwhW9)
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Happy to hear it! Keep practicing!

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 07:04 PM (MVjcR)

170 I have my first lesson tomorrow at the range. Hubs bought me a sweet S&W but I have to be honest, scares the bejeebers out of me. He's been teaching me with dummies, showing me how to take it apart, put it together, etc, but I have never shot any sort of firearm.
So, wish me luck.

Posted by: tecumsehtea at September 12, 2021 07:05 PM (skoMC)

171 This rifle has a polymer lower. See kp-15. Buffer tube is polymer inside of a fixed stock. Sproing of said gun is just annoying.


Light weight though.

Posted by: USNtakim deplorable still. at September 12, 2021 07:05 PM (0OmEj)

172 Good point, odd bob. I always have plywood or cardboard backing my targets.

Posted by: RI Red at September 12, 2021 07:06 PM (CJtAX)

173 Posted by: nurse ratched at September 12, 2021 07:04 PM (U2p+3)
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My pleasure!

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 07:06 PM (MVjcR)

174 the "keyhole" appearance of nurse's target *might* be a function of the material it's made of...

i opened the pic in a new tab, blew it up, and you can clearly see that the lower portion of each hole gets wider as it gets longer. if it was the bullet going through sideways, the hole should be symmetrical...

lord knows i saw enough keyholes in GPMG matches when someone got into the top of the berm...

Posted by: redc1c4 *OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated & we all know it at September 12, 2021 07:06 PM (HQA9W)

175 Weasel, thanks for the gun-cleaning vids. My gun currently resides in a free state without me and it's due for a cleaning when we reunite.

Posted by: Emmie at September 12, 2021 07:06 PM (6RgRK)

176 I understand Lake City was working 24/7 to crank out the rounds to replace the Army's supply of green tips.

Seeing green tip in bulk available all over the place.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 12, 2021 07:06 PM (Xrfse)

177 Anyway, range report:

Took my G30 frankenpistol to the range for more testing, this time with Freedom Munitions 200 gr fmj. Some of the ammo was underloaded, I could hear and feel it. Not squibs but not full power. Had a stovepipe and failure to eject, I'm suspecting the ammo. But...this is a Glock 36 slide on a G30 frame. So there's a chance this isn't a perfect matchup. Groups were fine, could be better, could be a lot worse. No flyers off to the sides, some high or low though.

The rest of the time was G44 time for .22lr. I jerked the trigger a few times, I'll be honest, but once I was dailed in and only moving my trigger finger on strings, I was laying rounds on top of one another. Gun is accurate. The magazine break-in was annoy AF but the pistol is light, runs pretty well and duplicates the G19 in everything but recoil and weight. Anyway....felt good to shoot. Relaxing.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, shotguns solve problems at September 12, 2021 07:07 PM (eeRB6)

178 Sociopaths shouldn't be allowed near guns.

Posted by: four seasons at September 12, 2021 07:07 PM (Kuxsi)

179 Eromero, they are delivering them and picking them up. We don't have to do anything but put them where we want them.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 12, 2021 07:07 PM (j6EPE)

180 Posted by: tecumsehtea at September 12, 2021 07:05 PM (skoMC)
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Howdy and welcome to the Gun Thread! Nice to have you here. Would you consider telling us how your first trip goes?

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 07:07 PM (MVjcR)

181 Posted by: Emmie at September 12, 2021 07:06 PM (6RgRK)
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Happy to do it!

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 07:08 PM (MVjcR)

182 For the cast bullet shooters among us (raises hand), Missouri Bullets is now back to producing their entire line of calibers and bullet weights. They still warn of a few weeks delay but at least the bullets are available. It was just some months ago they had cut back to less than ten percent of their usual offerings trying to keep up with demand for SD handgun projectiles.

Posted by: JTB at September 12, 2021 07:09 PM (7EjX1)

183 178 Posted by: four seasons at September 12, 2021 07:07 PM (Kuxsi)

Thus precluding Han'tur Bai-Dan no?

Posted by: sven at September 12, 2021 07:09 PM (Lzpvj)

184 Read down this far, lights out time
Everyone have a great evening

Posted by: Skip at September 12, 2021 07:10 PM (2JoB8)

185 129 Emmie!! I could not have been more happy to meet you and can't wait to give you a hug again. That goes for that guy that travels with you too!
Posted by: Ben Had at September 12, 2021 06:51 PM (j6EPE)


Ben Had, I look forward to seeing you again! Thank you so much for hosting these events.

Posted by: Emmie at September 12, 2021 07:10 PM (6RgRK)

186 So, wish me luck.
Posted by: tecumsehtea


You're going to do great. Listen. Take your time. It's ok to feel a little intimidated. You're learning to use a weapon that could kill someone.

You'll be great.

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 12, 2021 07:10 PM (U2p+3)

187 Adios, Skip!

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 07:11 PM (MVjcR)

188 Sociopaths shouldn't be allowed near guns.
Posted by: four seasons at September 12, 2021 07:07 PM (Kuxsi)


Good thing none of us are sociopaths then.

Posted by: qdpsteve (L2ZTs) at September 12, 2021 07:11 PM (L2ZTs)

189 Nurse, your .45 rounds are moving very slooooowly, maybe 850 fps, compared to the 9 mm and .22 at maybe 1100 fps.
But they are big-ass boolits with a lot of velocity/mass/acceleration.

Posted by: RI Red at September 12, 2021 07:12 PM (CJtAX)

190 Any body have thoughts on red dot sights on an ar type rifle. I know it limits long range potential. My main reason to own this gun is home defense and range use.

Posted by: USNtakim deplorable still. at September 12, 2021 07:12 PM (0OmEj)

191 g'night, Skip, see ya on the tech thread

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (Seiya) at September 12, 2021 07:12 PM (Seiya)

192 Only wonder what was Nurse's target hight compared to barrel,
Only thing I can think why that happened.

Posted by: Skip at September 12, 2021 07:12 PM (2JoB8)

193 found some old W-W Silvertip 44mag in the drop boxes which I managed to expend against creekbeds shooting at beercans I found in the woods and/or brought with me.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez (Seiya) at September 12, 2021 07:03 PM


Unreported above is the dialog that preceded:

"I know what you're thinking. 'Did he drink six beers, or only five out of the six-pack'? Well to tell you the truth, in all this hiking around, I kind of lost track myself. But being that this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow a beer can clean in half, you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya, can?" -- sock_rat_eez

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 12, 2021 07:13 PM (a3Q+t)

194 190 Any body have thoughts on red dot sights on an ar type rifle. I know it limits long range potential. My main reason to own this gun is home defense and range use.
Posted by: USNtakim deplorable still. at September 12, 2021 07:12 PM (0OmEj)
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I have a buddy with red dots on everything and swears by them.

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 07:13 PM (MVjcR)

195 Sorry. Force = mass x velocity.

Posted by: RI Red at September 12, 2021 07:13 PM (CJtAX)

196 & Good Luck, tecumsehtea !

you're gonna do just fine !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (Seiya) at September 12, 2021 07:13 PM (Seiya)

197 Any body have thoughts on red dot sights on an ar type rifle. I know it limits long range potential. My main reason to own this gun is home defense and range use.
Posted by: USNtakim deplorable still. at September 12, 2021 07:12 PM


Holosun just announced one that is quite intriguing.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 12, 2021 07:14 PM (a3Q+t)

198 Thank you Mark Andrew Edwards for all your patience and encouragement.
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 12, 2021 06:42 PM (U2p+3)

Glad to! It's nice to have company at the range.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, shotguns solve problems at September 12, 2021 07:15 PM (eeRB6)

199 179 Eromero, they are delivering them and picking them up. We don't have to do anything but put them where we want them.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 12, 2021 07:07 PM

Thank you!

Posted by: Eromero at September 12, 2021 07:15 PM (0OP+5)

200 thx, Duncanthrax, didn't want to trip Pixy's spam-killer by including that !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (Seiya) at September 12, 2021 07:15 PM (Seiya)

201 Posted by: Eromero at September 12, 2021 07:04 PM (0OP+5)
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Pepper!

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 07:16 PM (MVjcR)

202 Any body have thoughts on red dot sights on an ar type rifle. I know it limits long range potential. My main reason to own this gun is home defense and range use.
Posted by: USNtakim deplorable still. at September 12, 2021 07:12 PM (0OmEj)
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I have a buddy with red dots on everything and swears by them.
Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 07:13 PM (MVjcR)

This is me (not the buddy part, but have red dots on everything).

Red dots are a serious game changer for ARs. Unless you are going to be doing 500 yard shots, a red dot is very useful.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, shotguns solve problems at September 12, 2021 07:16 PM (eeRB6)

203 I wanted to add a couple of things to Jesse's report. I was standing a couple feet away, and of course neither of us had hearing protection on. We were momentarily deafened (not to mention completely shocked), but there seems to be no lasting damage. (Eh? Can you speak up?) In terms of hearing, it felt similar to the feeling I have when walking out of a Queensryche show. Over the next several hours my hearing returned to normal. However, I most certainly do NOT recommend trying to experience the sound of a shotgun without hearing protection!

I also had sort of a delayed shock reaction. After determining everybody was OK, I went to pieces. Thought I got back to normal by doing mundane things around the house. Then woke up in the middle of the night in semi-panic with lingering anxiety the next morning. I'm fine now but it took some time to process it. I felt much better after we drove way out of town to clear and check the gun thoroughly (WITH hearing protection on just in case). I thought I might revert to my lifelong fear of guns, but I went to the range (and joined it) a few days later). Hope this is not too emotional for the GT!

Posted by: screaming in digital (Jesse's Girl) at September 12, 2021 07:16 PM (kTRt4)

204 Any body have thoughts on red dot sights on an ar type rifle. I know it limits long range potential. My main reason to own this gun is home defense and range use.
Posted by: USNtakim deplorable still. at September 12, 2021 07:12 PM (0OmEj)
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I have a buddy with red dots on everything and swears by them.

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 07:13 PM


I put red dot sights on everything I could put them on and then pulled them all off because they did not work for me.


Granted I have eye issues, cataracts and other problems, but they did nothing for me that iron sights could do. I no longer shoot at longish ranges. 100 yards is tops for me now.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at September 12, 2021 07:17 PM (JUOKG)

205 Ben Had, is there anything I can do to help out? We will be traveling a shorter distance this year and unless our tow vehicle complains, we can get there in one day.

Posted by: Emmie at September 12, 2021 07:17 PM (6RgRK)

206 Range Report: If your semiautomatic rifle fails to go fully into battery, and your slug gun decides to start printing basketball-sized groups, check your sizing die and tighten the receiver mounting screws, respectively. Another Pro-Tip from Paco the ever Frustrated Moron.

Posted by: PacosMojo at September 12, 2021 07:18 PM (lrQfI)

207 Hope this is not too emotional for the GT!
Posted by: screaming in digital (Jesse's Girl) at September 12, 2021 07:16 PM (kTRt4)
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Nope! Good to know! I'm pretty sure I'd have wet my pants.

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 07:18 PM (MVjcR)

208 no, screaming, this is exactly the place to process that.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (Seiya) at September 12, 2021 07:18 PM (Seiya)

209 Damn. F=MA

Posted by: RI Red at September 12, 2021 07:19 PM (CJtAX)

210 Good thing none of us are sociopaths then.
Posted by: qdpsteve (L2ZTs) at September 12, 2021 07:11 PM (L2ZTs)



Yes .... good thing..

*shiftyeyes*

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 12, 2021 07:19 PM (yQpMk)

211 Some thoughts on the Nurse's targets: I see the same thing with all ball ammo with paper targets. They tear with round nose ammo. Hollowpoints (or wadcutters) make neat holes but round nose round seem to tear the paper.

230 gr ball will not damage a 1911.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, shotguns solve problems at September 12, 2021 07:20 PM (eeRB6)

212 Force equals mass times velocity squared, no?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, shotguns solve problems at September 12, 2021 07:21 PM (eeRB6)

213 Ted in WY, just wanted to say howdy, neighbor. Jesse and I are in southeastern Wyoming.

Posted by: screaming in digital (Jesse's Girl) at September 12, 2021 07:21 PM (kTRt4)

214 Analysis of the Three 3's video....
One thing not pondered adequately in that video would be the "Why?" of that distance (3yds). He mentions the threatening distance and armed robberies. But the tactics is what's important.

If you remember the 15 foot rule for someone with a knife (they have it out and you have your firearm holstered), they can RUN to you before you can get your firearm out and a shot fired. Well, that works in reverse, too: if the bad guy is out beyond 15 feet (give or take) you can RUN AWAY. So, few perps are going to try and threaten you from further away - they want to be up close and personal.

Also, there's the tactics of interior shootings. A lot of defensive uses are in a convenience store, a house, etc. (or even a bank). In these cases, you literally can NOT get a range over 20 feet. The room and its layout prevent it. So, yes, a LOT of defensive gun use will happen inside of 20 feet, more or less.

Posted by: GWB at September 12, 2021 07:21 PM (8YyYb)

215 As we get closer to TxMoMe, we need some kind of projections on what people want to shoot. By that I mean did you ever want to shoot a particular firearm? And not that damn Walter Mitty thing that goes
ta-pocketa, ta-pocketa'. You need to make Weasel, Jim, and Eromero aware of your wishes. Who knows, somebody on this very thread may have what you're looking for.

Posted by: Eromero at September 12, 2021 07:21 PM (0OP+5)

216 Any body have thoughts on red dot sights on an ar type rifle.

I'm fer it. I have an Eotech XPS-2 on my carbine and like it a lot. Some people (with better eyes than I have) say the Eotech reticle is fuzzy so see if you can try one out before dropping $$$.

Posted by: Oddbob at September 12, 2021 07:22 PM (nfrXX)

217 Also, I had to laugh at the LAPD chart on ranges, including over 65 feet. I'm going to bet those were NOT handgun incidents. Those were a cop with a rifle taking out a bad guy or vice versa. It might be useful info for some things, but I'm betting it's not defensive handgun useful.

Posted by: GWB at September 12, 2021 07:22 PM (8YyYb)

218 MAE, concur. I've shifted to loading semi-wadcutters because they make such a nice clean hole.

Posted by: RI Red at September 12, 2021 07:22 PM (CJtAX)

219 Emmie, Thank you so much. If Thursday fits in your schedule you will be most welcome.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 12, 2021 07:22 PM (j6EPE)

220 Any body have thoughts on red dot sights on an ar type rifle. I know it limits long range potential.

Posted by: USNtakim deplorable still. at September 12, 2021 07:12 PM (0OmEj)

It doesn't have to. You can use offsets that will put your red dot beside your longer range optic (usually at a 45degree angle).
I don't worry about it because I have a different weapon for long ranges.

Posted by: GWB at September 12, 2021 07:25 PM (8YyYb)

221 I put red dot sights on everything I could put them on and then pulled them all off because they did not work for me.


I still use my optics on long gun platforms but have gradually drifted back to iron sight acquisition. Not sure - maybe I consider it a renewed challenge. Still hanging on to the glass, though. Ended up being a fairly significant investment

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 12, 2021 07:25 PM (Xrfse)

222 Went to the range today. Shot 50 rounds from my .22 pistol at 10 yards on a B27. The score was 490/500/x20. That's not bad for me.

Posted by: WarEagle82 at September 12, 2021 07:25 PM (+Kpte)

223 Any body have thoughts on red dot sights on an ar type rifle. I know it limits long range potential. My main reason to own this gun is home defense and range use.
Posted by: USNtakim deplorable still. at September 12, 2021 07:12 PM (0OmEj)
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I'm mostly for them but I have issues with consistent precision using them. My eyes can't make up their mind about which is the dominant one so sometimes it's on target and sometimes it's to the left.

Posted by: Thicc Boi at September 12, 2021 07:25 PM (zThcc)

224 Screaming,
I'm glad you shared that with us.

This is what this forum is for, I believe. To share our triumphs and tribulations and questions and experiences.

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 12, 2021 07:26 PM (U2p+3)

225 215 As we get closer to TxMoMe, we need some kind of projections on what people want to shoot. By that I mean did you ever want to shoot a particular firearm? And not that damn Walter Mitty thing that goes
ta-pocketa, ta-pocketa'. You need to make Weasel, Jim, and Eromero aware of your wishes. Who knows, somebody on this very thread may have what you're looking for.
Posted by: Eromero at September 12, 2021 07:21 PM (0OP+5)
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Excellent point!!

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 07:26 PM (MVjcR)

226 Nah, that's E = MC squared.
Only for extreme long range.

Posted by: RI Red at September 12, 2021 07:26 PM (CJtAX)

227 Posted by: Eromero at September 12, 2021 07:21 PM (0OP+5)

I am bringing my Savage 110 in .308 and my Sig Sauer P226 Legion RX1 in 9mm.

Anyone who wants to is welcome to give them a go.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 12, 2021 07:27 PM (mcfjc)

228 Posted by: screaming in digital (Jesse's Girl) at September 12, 2021 07:16 PM (kTRt4)

VERY appropriate and good knowledge. Thank you for sharing that.

Posted by: GWB at September 12, 2021 07:27 PM (8YyYb)

229 PSA for those of you that are arriving in TX on Thursday-- There will be drinks and appetizers at the ranch when you get here.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 12, 2021 07:27 PM (j6EPE)

230 It's archery season out West. All I ever hear from the elk is "We don't know you. We're leaving. "

Posted by: Igotnothing at September 12, 2021 07:28 PM (xf2hT)

231 You need to make Weasel, Jim, and Eromero aware of your wishes. Who knows, somebody on this very thread may have what you're looking for.

If someone is looking for caliber: .460S&W and .50AE are possible. I just need to know in advance because detonating those rounds is expensive and I would prefer to load rather than buy (if ammo is even available).

Posted by: Reuben Hick at September 12, 2021 07:28 PM (+LCoQ)

232 Ben Had, we will keep that in mind. Gonna put it in my calendar now.

I need to get in touch with the guys doing the jam session. If Mr. Bassman is welcome to join, he would want to scout out the set list.

Posted by: Emmie at September 12, 2021 07:28 PM (6RgRK)

233
This is what this forum is for, I believe. To share our triumphs and tribulations and questions and experiences.
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 12, 2021 07:26 PM (U2p+3)
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And for Weasel to make funny jokes.

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 07:28 PM (MVjcR)

234 Have no optics of any kind. When I finally build my short range/lightweight AR I'll probably put a red dot on it, or have the ability to do so.

I harumphed last week that the guys at the matches now using "carry optics" on their pistols seem to have taken some of the sport/fun out of their shooting. Whatever. I tolerate the paper targets, only steel/practical shooting interests me.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at September 12, 2021 07:28 PM (OTzUX)

235 190 USNtakim deplorable still. at September 12, 2021 07:12 PM (0OmEj)

I hear that Holo Sun is a decent budget optic that has a good combination of durability, quality and battery life if you don't have a lot of $$. But if you want nothing less than the best to bet your life on, Aimpoint is my choice. Bought an Aimpoint Comp M4S for my 2011 - 12 deployment to Afghanistan. I got through the whole deployment with just one AA battery left in the tenth click setting (the first five are for NVG use) on all the time. The advertised 80,000 hours of battery life in constant on (about 8 years) is real. If you get a riser Picatinny rail mount with the sight, you can co-witness M4 iron sights. This setup now runs about $900 and weighs about two pounds, but if you need something that can take abuse and conserve battery power, the Aimpoint is still close to the top of the heap.

Posted by: Ed L at September 12, 2021 07:29 PM (7je7d)

236 And for Weasel to make funny jokes.
Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 07:28 PM (MVjcR)
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I'm waiting......

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at September 12, 2021 07:30 PM (2SdPm)

237 229 PSA for those of you that are arriving in TX on Thursday-- There will be drinks and appetizers at the ranch when you get here.
Posted by: Ben Had at September 12, 2021 07:27 PM (j6EPE)
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I'm getting all tingly!

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 07:30 PM (MVjcR)

238 As Mister Scott said, if you have eye issues such as astigmatism, cataracts, etc., the red dot can appear as a fuzzy blossom.

If you are an old iron sight shooter, it is easier to pick up a dot on a rifle than a handgun. You can end up chasing the dot on a handgun which can actually slow you down in shooting.

The issue, at least for me, is that I dislike the magnifiers for a red dot as simply another piece of clutter on the rail so the red dot is for short ranges for me.

Then, there are the magnifying prism type sights which are nice.

Posted by: whig at September 12, 2021 07:31 PM (xunV5)

239 I'm getting all tingly!

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 07:30 PM (MVjcR)

Are you sure that is not Little Joe snuggling where he should not?

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 12, 2021 07:31 PM (mcfjc)

240 180
Weasel, I will. I've been reading this thread awhile, but lurk here. Post once in awhile on general threads. We joined the new range that just opened here, so planning on lots of practice.

Posted by: tecumsehtea at September 12, 2021 07:31 PM (skoMC)

241
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at September 12, 2021 07:30 PM (2SdPm)
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Ha! You sound like WeaselWoman!

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 07:31 PM (MVjcR)

242 And not that damn Walter Mitty thing that goes
ta-pocketa, ta-pocketa'.
Posted by: Eromero at September 12, 2021 07:21 PM


But what if it is a Walter Mitty thing?

Posted by: Glock-curious at September 12, 2021 07:31 PM (a3Q+t)

243 Howdy horde, howdy Weasel!
Late to the thread, but had to clean my newest.
Procured a Sig P365 and visited the nearby range to try it out. 50 rounds of Norma range ammo and 20 rounds each of Norma home defense, Ammotec and Hornaday Critical Defense.
Shot at 21 feet. It took a few rounds to get used to this microcompact as it is my first one, but soon got it under control and was placing my shots in a large pattern about 8 inches or so across mostly in the center. Not magnificent but good for the first go in my mind. More practice is needed. Time to buy more ammo. That little thing is a bit pinchy on my hands, so a firm hand is required.

Posted by: 10 Gallon Hat at September 12, 2021 07:33 PM (14js7)

244 Thanks again for the gun thread Weasel. I came across this the other day and thought ppl here might find it intersting. And perhaps even true. Fwiw I was taught almost exactly like this. Even the two shots at high ready and then two at full extension.

Training with Jelly Bryce and Col Askins

https://arizonagunowners.com/index.php?topic=13472.0

Posted by: Thesokorus at September 12, 2021 07:33 PM (1ais2)

245 Thing I don't get about Jesse's story is checking the chamber, physically, yet somehow a round was chambered after he closed the action? So there was a round in the elevator ready to be chambered, but he couldn't see it? Don't remember (obviously), but with action open on a Mossberg 500, can't you see any round from the mag, already out and ready to be elevated/chambered?

Guess not. I could go check.

Like Jesse, I never chamber a round at the house. Or anywhere except at the firing line, at a range (or equivalent, if shooting on public land/in the desert). I don't carry. Part of my very very strong advice to newbies is to do as I do, AND to get good dummy rounds to use for practice and function testing away from the firing line.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at September 12, 2021 07:33 PM (OTzUX)

246 186 Nurse,
Thanks for the encouragement.

Posted by: tecumsehtea at September 12, 2021 07:33 PM (skoMC)

247 Weasel, I will. I've been reading this thread awhile, but lurk here. Post once in awhile on general threads. We joined the new range that just opened here, so planning on lots of practice.
Posted by: tecumsehtea at September 12, 2021 07:31 PM (skoMC)
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Excellent! Thank you! Tell you what, send me an email and I will put it into the thread.

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 07:33 PM (MVjcR)

248 PSA for those of you that are arriving in TX on Thursday-- There will be drinks and appetizers at the ranch when you get here.

The whole event just sounds like a hell of a lot of fun. So envious.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 12, 2021 07:34 PM (Xrfse)

249 PSA for those of you that are arriving in TX on Thursday-- There will be drinks and appetizers at the ranch when you get here.
Posted by: Ben Had at September 12, 2021 07:27 PM (j6EPE)


Yay!

Posted by: Jordan61, Runner's Island Ambassadrex at September 12, 2021 07:34 PM (hP4QN)

250 overall, a super-fun trip, made possible by Mrs being away for the weekend, & something I've wanted to do for some years now; 2 nights in wilderness at something slightly above survival-kit level ...
packed kind of heavy for that, really, air mattress & a wool blanket, 4 or 5? lb of fresh food (taters, maters, cukes, an onion& a garlic, pound of ground beef, several PB&J sammiches, beer+), and the QRP ham radio pack, but the rest was the stuff I carry on any sort of hike beyond a couple of miles.
got to try out starting a campfire with one of those magnesium things, cooked dinner in stages in a canteen cup, shot&beer, then lying under the stars sending morse code into the ether; what's not to love ?

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (Seiya) at September 12, 2021 07:34 PM (Seiya)

251 JesseinDc. Thanks for sharing...this helps us on tips

Something lapsed but not your character.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at September 12, 2021 07:34 PM (obcVG)

252 Emmie, we gonna have a drum session on 5 gal buckets.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 12, 2021 07:34 PM (j6EPE)

253 I'm mostly for them but I have issues with consistent precision using them. My eyes can't make up their mind about which is the dominant one so sometimes it's on target and sometimes it's to the left.

Posted by: Thicc Boi

Try squinting a bit with your off eye (the eye you do not want to aim with). You lose a bit of perspective and field of view but as long as you don't shut it, it can help sort out issues with two eyes fighting for dominance.

Posted by: whig at September 12, 2021 07:34 PM (xunV5)

254 135 You never forget your first ND.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 12, 2021 06:52 PM (a3Q+t)

Or a ND that accidentally killed a member of my family. I told that story a long time ago on one of the first gun threads.
It was absolutely awful.

Posted by: Clutch at September 12, 2021 07:36 PM (9UmRs)

255 regarding red dots on ARs, I'd suggest you look into a see-all site.

https://www.seeallopensight.com/

Posted by: sven at September 12, 2021 07:36 PM (Lzpvj)

256 And for Weasel to make funny jokes.

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 07:28 PM (MVjcR)
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when does that feature start?

Posted by: redc1c4 *OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated & we all know it at September 12, 2021 07:37 PM (HQA9W)

257 why is there a shady oaks gun range in cedar park

Posted by: confederatefifth at September 12, 2021 07:37 PM (K3ZCc)

258 Sock rat eez, wouldn't it be simpler at the Holiday Inn?

Posted by: RI Red at September 12, 2021 07:37 PM (CJtAX)

259 Red dots are a serious game changer for ARs. Unless you are going to be doing 500 yard shots, a red dot is very useful.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, shotguns solve problems at September 12, 2021 07:16

Mark, what kind of mount would I use so I could still use the peep sight?

Posted by: Clutch at September 12, 2021 07:38 PM (9UmRs)

260 242 And not that damn Walter Mitty thing that goes
ta-pocketa, ta-pocketa'.
Posted by: Eromero at September 12, 2021 07:21 PM

But what if it is a Walter Mitty thing?

Posted by: Glock-curious at September 12, 2021 07:31 PM
Well, we'll see if there's room in the front cockpit of the aeroplane that also goes 'ta-pocketa, ta-pocketa.'

Posted by: Eromero at September 12, 2021 07:39 PM (0OP+5)

261 One of my best friends in HS's dad was a FFL, and gunsmith. He had an AR-18. It was a full auto 180. Not exactly sure how it got that way whether it was originally full auto or if it had been made that way after the fact.

Anyway, he also had a Starlight red dot scope on it first I had ever encountered a red dot type of scope. It used passive light through I guess fiber optics to put the red dot in there - no batteries required. It didn't take much light even worked at night hence the Starlight.

Posted by: blaster at September 12, 2021 07:39 PM (mbFEM)

262 Posted by: 10 Gallon Hat at September 12, 2021 07:33 PM (14js7)
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Welcome back!

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 07:39 PM (MVjcR)

263 what MAE said @ 211

GWB, the standard Tueller drill is 21 feet, I base a lot of my practice on that distance ... the rule of 3's I was taught was about averages: 3 yards, 3 rounds, over in 3 seconds.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (Seiya) at September 12, 2021 07:40 PM (Seiya)

264 Any body have thoughts on red dot sights on an ar type rifle. I know it limits long range potential.

Posted by: USNtakim deplorable still. at September 12, 2021 07:12 PM (0OmEj)

It doesn't have to. You can use offsets that will put your red dot beside your longer range optic (usually at a 45degree angle).
I don't worry about it because I have a different weapon for long ranges.
Posted by: G


what he said, you should use a magnified optic and an offset red dot.

not sure what your def of range is, but with some optics, such as the eotech two dot, which is a holographic sight, you should get to 500 yards without difficulty.

Posted by: confederatefifth at September 12, 2021 07:40 PM (K3ZCc)

265 get good dummy rounds to use for practice and function testing away from the firing line.
Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at September 12, 2021 07:33 PM (OTzUX)

Yes! YES! Heck YES!
Using them isn't always convenient (like a DA only pistol or an AR - both requiring you to rack the slide/handle after every trigger press, thereby requiring a magazine full of dummy rounds), but they are so very good for dry-fire/function checking.

Posted by: GWB at September 12, 2021 07:40 PM (8YyYb)

266 PSA for those of you that are arriving in TX on Thursday-- There will be drinks and appetizers at the ranch when you get here.
Posted by: Ben Had

You are the best, Sister!

Posted by: Tonypete at September 12, 2021 07:40 PM (mD/uy)

267 Posted by: Thesokorus at September 12, 2021 07:33 PM (1ais2)
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My pleasure. Thanks!

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 07:40 PM (MVjcR)

268 Mark, let me reach waaay back, I think momentum = 1/2*mass*velocity squared. Didn't check, haven't actually *used* that calculation in real life for some time, so .....

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at September 12, 2021 07:40 PM (OTzUX)

269 when does that feature start?


Posted by: redc1c4 *OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated & we all know it at September 12, 2021 07:37 PM (HQA9W)
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Soon!

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 07:41 PM (MVjcR)

270 Mark, what kind of mount would I use so I could still use the peep sight?
Posted by: Clutch


get the arisaka offset mount, if you hae pic rail somewhere

Posted by: confederatefifth at September 12, 2021 07:41 PM (K3ZCc)

271 HB Guy,
Saw your range report on the seldom seen AR 180 and you have TWO of them. You might to send pix in to Weasel one of these days--they are an interesting firearm that might have been a contender for some countries.

Posted by: whig at September 12, 2021 07:42 PM (xunV5)

272 Mark, what kind of mount would I use so I could still use the peep sight?
Posted by: Clutch


have you tried holo sights?

Posted by: confederatefifth at September 12, 2021 07:43 PM (K3ZCc)

273 53 Nice shooting, Nurse R.
But it does look like key-holing. What ammo were you shooting?
Posted by: RI Red at September 12, 2021 06:24 PM (CJtAX)


Red, looks more like no backer board is causing that. See the same thing when the backer board is shot out. My experience with keyholes is more variation in the tear direction. Paper often has grain and tears easier in one direction.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at September 12, 2021 07:43 PM (8C7+r)

274 Weasel , ok, I will send an email. I have always been fearful of firearms and had never even handled one until hubs started arming for safety/protection. My thing is, if we are going to have firearms in the house I need to be able to disarm/arm them. Plus, I think I should know how to shoot, you know, in case . . .
I have learned a lot by reading this thread, and I feel encouraged. I'm starting at zero, but I guess everybody started there.

Posted by: tecumsehtea at September 12, 2021 07:43 PM (skoMC)

275 totally, RI Red, but the RF noise would make radio impossible !

out in the red granite & pine trees I can hear signals over incredible distances with just a piece of wire up in the trees ... & sometimes they can hear me !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (Seiya) at September 12, 2021 07:43 PM (Seiya)

276 For some decent values in red dots that don't break the bank, Primary Arms has some pretty well regarded red dots. They are not Aimpoints by any means but are pretty sharp and decent glass with good battery life. They have good mounts too.

Posted by: whig at September 12, 2021 07:44 PM (xunV5)

277 I have had only one semi ND so far...I have had a 1944 P-38 Russian capture for more than a decade, I had shot it before but never used the decocker. I was thinking about using it for church security and was going to do the decocker so as to have a round in the chamber. Before I tried it I suddenly recalled reading about those not working sometimes so I went outside on the semi rural property, pointed it at the dirt and pushed the lever. Kablamm. Guess mine has that problem, lol. Decided to just stick with the 1911, although I carry with empty chamber because I would rather have the extra safety rather than the time it takes to jack a round in the places I frequent.

Posted by: Azjaeger at September 12, 2021 07:44 PM (3/XaG)

278 This looks like fun, and irritating to tree rats and similar pests:
https://simple-shot.com/ slingshots/1a1xxxxx/ scout-lt-slingshot

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 12, 2021 07:45 PM (ACi07)

279 The AR-180 has been on my want list for a while perhaps mostly nostalgia. But the lack of mags is off putting. Which leaves the AR-180B which takes regular AR mags, but loses the folder. Grrrr. Anyway, they were like $600 when they came out, and now they appear to have totally disappeared new.

Posted by: blaster at September 12, 2021 07:45 PM (mbFEM)

280 Posted by: tecumsehtea at September 12, 2021 07:43 PM (skoMC)
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You couldn't possibly be worse than I was when I started shooting! Send me an email and we can discuss a couple of things. You'll do great!

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 07:45 PM (MVjcR)

281 I see that Dummybullet.com is still no selling - owner has a notice about family health issue, it's been that way for a while. Hope he will come back.

After starting reloading I of course make all my own dummy rounds, and I've told a few newbie friends when they finally get their gubs I'll make some for them too.

There are of course other commercial inert rounds available, but I find the true dummy rounds (normal rounds, brass, lead, and copper, minus primer and powder of course) are better for function testing and obviously more realistic for practice.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at September 12, 2021 07:45 PM (OTzUX)

282 Tonypete, la familia.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 12, 2021 07:45 PM (j6EPE)

283 PSA for those of you that are arriving in TX on Thursday-- There will be drinks and appetizers at the ranch when you get here.
Posted by: Ben Had


Make sure there is enough for all of the ATF/FBI/NSA/AntiFa informants too. They bring an appetite of Hot Pockets and stove top stuffing!

Posted by: Reuben Hick at September 12, 2021 07:45 PM (+LCoQ)

284 We don't have any optics on handguns, only CrimsonTrace on a handful of revolvers/semi-autos, never turn them on unless playing with the cat. Battle rifles are a different matter, Eotecs on some of those.

Posted by: Eromero at September 12, 2021 07:45 PM (0OP+5)

285 Texas native here, long time lurker, first time commenter.

Looking to get some practice and instruction on my new 6.5 creedmoor. Been shooting pistols for a while so trying to mix it up some. Sounds tempting.

Posted by: Will at September 12, 2021 07:46 PM (/jFSs)

286 @Clutch

What you want is a co-witness mount. There are 'lower 1/3rd' and 'absolute' co-witness mounts. The lower 1/3 mounts let you see the red dot and the iron sights are still visible in the lower 1/3 of the optic. Absolute co-witness is where the red dot is perched on the top of the front sight.

a .83 riser mount gives an absolute co-witness. A one inch riser mount will give a lower 1/3 witness

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, shotguns solve problems at September 12, 2021 07:46 PM (eeRB6)

287 Saw your range report on the seldom seen AR 180 and you have TWO of them. You might to send pix in to Weasel one of these days--they are an interesting firearm that might have been a contender for some countries.
Posted by: whig at September 12, 2021 07:42 PM (xunV5)

Gonna take them out again week after next and I will see if I can work up some pics from the range for the thread.

I know Brownell's has made a newer version upper and I would like to get my ands on one to see if anything fits the original and the B version.

Also, on GunBroker the other day a set of handguards for the original AR-180 went for $501.00. Parts like that are very rare.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 12, 2021 07:47 PM (R/m4+)

288 Posted by: whig at September 12, 2021 07:34 PM (xunV5)
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Thanks whig! I'll give that a shot the next time I'm out.

I have found that one eye for acquisition and both eyes for follow on shot works but it felt like I was giving up on a big advantage of red dots.

Posted by: Thicc Boi at September 12, 2021 07:48 PM (zThcc)

289 261 blaster, you could make new machine guns up to the Hughes Amendment passing in 1986 which closed the registry for new machine guns. Before that, it was about the same as getting paper for a suppressor or short barrelled rifle if the local authorities were amenable.

Posted by: whig at September 12, 2021 07:48 PM (xunV5)

290 I'm starting at zero, but I guess everybody started there.
Posted by: tecumsehtea at September 12, 2021 07:43 PM (skoMC)


Nobody but Wild Bill Hickock and Davy Crockett was born with a gun in their hand.

One of the keys to getting startes, IMO, is understanding YOU are IN CONTROL of this thing that goes boom. It doesn't do anything unless you press the trigger. It is your servant and you are its master.

Posted by: GWB at September 12, 2021 07:48 PM (8YyYb)

291 Posted by: Will at September 12, 2021 07:46 PM (/jFSs)
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Howdy and welcome to the Gun Thread, Will! Send Ben Had an email and come join us! Both of my LR match guns were 6.5mm

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 07:48 PM (MVjcR)

292 >>> 146 Weasel, yes we were. We have only had one MoMe that didn't have shooting and that was the very first one. Crikey, this is year #7
Posted by: Ben Had at September 12, 2021 06:58 PM (j6EPE)

Er, I thought it was 6?

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 12, 2021 07:48 PM (ACi07)

293 For some decent values in red dots that don't break the bank, Primary Arms has some pretty well regarded red dots. They are not Aimpoints by any means but are pretty sharp and decent glass with good battery life. They have good mounts too.
Posted by: w



their sights are more than good enough for regular use and they are very nice if you want to try something different before going in with an aimpint or trijicn or something high-end.

their dimitri guy does some very smart things with reticls and average cmpnents.

Posted by: confederatefifth at September 12, 2021 07:49 PM (K3ZCc)

294 250 ... "the QRP ham radio pack"

sock-rat-tees,
Sorry to go off topic but what is your QRP rig, power source and what modes do you use?

Posted by: JTB at September 12, 2021 07:49 PM (7EjX1)

295 Nope Rhomboid, I " KNEW" it was empty, because I do not keep loaded guns in the home. I do have loaded mags with weapons, but kept separate, IE, slap the mag in and rack the slide...
I lived with a pretty much non shooting room mate for a long time, and my beloved SiD does not have the years of experience. I try to keep them safe... and this time I SCREWED UP!!!

Posted by: jesse in dc at September 12, 2021 07:49 PM (kTRt4)

296 Nurse, sock_rat_eez, Weasel, GWB, thanks!

Posted by: screaming in digital (Jesse's Girl) at September 12, 2021 07:50 PM (kTRt4)

297 No range time, unfortunately, but duty day this week, so there will be soon.

Need to load some 45 Colt with the sample of Missouri Bullet HiTek coated bullets I just got. I don't want dirty ammo for the 1866, full disassembly to thoroughly clean not something one wants to do very often. So I've been using plated (Xtreme). These coated lead ones are cheaper enough that if they work OK, I'll switch.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at September 12, 2021 07:50 PM (OTzUX)

298 Both of my LR match guns were 6.5mm

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 07:48 PM (MVjcR)

Grammer nazi here!! "Were" implies that they are no longer 6.5mm. Have they changed? ;-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 12, 2021 07:50 PM (mcfjc)

299 289 261 blaster, you could make new machine guns up to the Hughes Amendment passing in 1986 which closed the registry for new machine guns. Before that, it was about the same as getting paper for a suppressor or short barrelled rifle if the local authorities were amenable.
Posted by: whig at September 12, 2021 07:48 PM (xunV5)


I was in HS, and am 29, so, umm, naught from naught is naught, carry the 3....

Yeah, it was before 1986.

Posted by: blaster at September 12, 2021 07:50 PM (mbFEM)

300 HB Guy, Cool. I would look forward to seeing those pictures. Some of the piston system opened up for cleaning would also be nice.

ThicBoi, you are welcome. I had a rather large astigmatism index in one eye so I had to compensate for the fuzziness so that is what I did.

Posted by: whig at September 12, 2021 07:51 PM (xunV5)

301 290 One of the keys to getting startes, IMO, is understanding YOU are IN CONTROL of this thing that goes boom. GWB

You know, I hadn't thought of it that way. I usually think of it as a tool. That's a good perspective, thank you for that.

Posted by: tecumsehtea at September 12, 2021 07:51 PM (skoMC)

302 Reuben, I would love some auntiefa to show up but that ain't ever going to happen. The State dept would do well to follow my screening practices.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 12, 2021 07:51 PM (j6EPE)

303 have you tried holo sights?
Posted by: confederatefifth at September 12, 2021 07:43 PM (K3ZCc)

Not yet but I have heard good things about them.

Posted by: Clutch at September 12, 2021 07:51 PM (9UmRs)

304 296 Nurse, sock_rat_eez, Weasel, GWB, thanks!

Posted by: screaming in digital (Jesse's Girl) at September 12, 2021 07:50 PM (kTRt4)
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Again, congratulations to you wacky kids!

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 07:51 PM (MVjcR)

305 Have they changed? ;-)
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 12, 2021 07:50 PM (mcfjc)


Do they identify as .50 now?

Posted by: GWB at September 12, 2021 07:52 PM (8YyYb)

306 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 12, 2021 07:50 PM (mcfjc)
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Ha! I was just wondering why I typed that!

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 07:53 PM (MVjcR)

307 i got my fascination with radio off at summer camp in far north Wisconsin ... 7-transistor AM radio I bought off another kid for two dollars and a cheap sheath knife ... laying in my top bunk after lights-out listening to radio stations all across America ... led, in the fullness of time, to fcc license, and the ability to talk one-on-one to, well, everywhere, without benefit of infrastructure beyond a 12 volt battery and a long piece of wire.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (Seiya) at September 12, 2021 07:54 PM (Seiya)

308 Grammer nazi here!! "Were" implies that they are no longer 6.5mm. Have they changed? ;-)
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 12, 2021 07:50 PM (mcfjc)


LOL. Still love ya though, Scuba Dude!

Posted by: Jordan61, Runner's Island Ambassadrex at September 12, 2021 07:54 PM (hP4QN)

309 Reuben, I would love some auntiefa to show up but that ain't ever going to happen. The State dept would do well to follow my screening practices.

What if I bring a few in the trunk of the car on Range Day?

Posted by: Reuben Hick at September 12, 2021 07:54 PM (+LCoQ)

310 308 Grammer nazi here!! "Were" implies that they are no longer 6.5mm. Have they changed? ;-)
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 12, 2021 07:50 PM (mcfjc)

LOL. Still love ya though, Scuba Dude!
Posted by: Jordan61, Runner's Island Ambassadrex at September 12, 2021 07:54 PM (hP4QN)
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Yeah. Shame about him missing the MoMe this year.

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 07:55 PM (MVjcR)

311 Jesse, I get it. And thank gawd everyone's OK.

Gun safety fanaticism is usually annoying and always barely adequate!

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at September 12, 2021 07:55 PM (OTzUX)

312 C5,
Regarding primary arms, I have been buying parts for builds from them off and on for years and I bought their second model Red Dot back in the day and still have it on one of my ARs. Always quick shipping and never had a problem with an order.

Finishing up a LR308 build--just have to go local and buy the stripped receiver for that.

Posted by: whig at September 12, 2021 07:56 PM (xunV5)

313 Yeah. Shame about him missing the MoMe this year.
Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 07:55 PM (MVjcR)


What?! Dammit, Scuba Dude!

Posted by: Jordan61, Runner's Island Ambassadrex at September 12, 2021 07:56 PM (hP4QN)

314 >>> 195 Sorry. Force = mass x velocity.
Posted by: RI Red at September 12, 2021 07:13 PM (CJtAX)

[nerd hat]
P = M*V // momentum = mass times velocity
F = M*A // force = mass times acceleration
K = 1/2 M*(V^2) // kinetic energy = one-half mass times velocity squared
(so you really don't want to be under SMOD)
[/nerd hat]

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 12, 2021 07:56 PM (ACi07)

315 Weasel, are you driving or flying this year?

Posted by: RI Red at September 12, 2021 07:56 PM (CJtAX)

316 Yeah. Shame about him missing the MoMe this year.

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 07:55 PM (MVjcR)

Yeah, I am going to send my doppelganger in my place. ;-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 12, 2021 07:56 PM (mcfjc)

317 I have had and seen many ADs and NDs in both plinking and competition, as long as the muzzle is pointed in a safe place, it is scary but nobody gets hurt.

I was a safety officer at a pistol match and told a competitor to keep his finger clear of the trigger, he said it it pointed at the ground
I said we do not you to shoot yourself either, like in the foot
he had that spark of thought and was way better with his finger

Posted by: will choose a nic later at September 12, 2021 07:57 PM (bTQ72)

318 315 Weasel, are you driving or flying this year?
Posted by: RI Red at September 12, 2021 07:56 PM (CJtAX)
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Driving again this year. You?

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 07:57 PM (MVjcR)

319 Weasel - cigar du jour?

And cigar-related, yesterday for giggles I made cigar punches from 45ACP, 38 special, and 30-06 cases. Just tried to chamfer the inner/outer mouth edges into a sharp edge, drilled out the primer pockets (to facilitate cleaning out tobacco plugs).

I figure the 45 will be good for big ring sizes. Will be trying them all out this week and next.

Now if only I could find a way to make cases into a v-cutter .....

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at September 12, 2021 07:58 PM (OTzUX)

320
#317, to clarify, my finger did not hit the bang switch, they were mechanical one was a SKS, the other a Rem700

Posted by: will choose a nic later at September 12, 2021 07:58 PM (bTQ72)

321 Helena, quit talking dirty to me.
I luv the maffs!

Posted by: RI Red at September 12, 2021 07:58 PM (CJtAX)

322
Yeah, I am going to send my doppelganger in my place. ;-)
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 12, 2021 07:56 PM (mcfjc)
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No worries. Need you to make that 700 yard target look stupid!

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 07:58 PM (MVjcR)

323 Sock_rat_eez, how far out did you get signals from?

Posted by: Nobody at September 12, 2021 07:59 PM (/OS5c)

324 Regarding primary arms, I have been buying parts for builds from them off and on for years and I bought their second model Red Dot back in the day and still have it on one of my ARs. Always quick shipping and never had a problem with an order.

Finishing up a LR308 build--just have to go local and buy the stripped receiver for that.
Posted by: w

they are a superb outfit. everything you said in addition they never gouge in pricing.

i have some of their 1X8 s and their new 25 mm red dots, they are worth more than primary charged

Posted by: confederatefifth at September 12, 2021 07:59 PM (K3ZCc)

325 tecumsehtea, I was also afraid of firearms for most of my life, wouldn't even touch them. As of a year ago, I was still only thinking about buying my own firearm. I'm still very inexperienced, but I've found that most gun people are very willing to help and very patient with questions. Not just the Horde (of course!), but gun shop staff, range staff, etc etc. Please write up your experiences for Weasel to share, there are a lot of noobs like me here.

Posted by: screaming in digital (Jesse's Girl) at September 12, 2021 08:00 PM (kTRt4)

326 Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at September 12, 2021 07:58 PM (OTzUX)
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RyJ Reserve Maduro!

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 08:00 PM (MVjcR)

327 GTB, this time around (and typically; didn't have time to mess with pre-packed stuff, much ...) was Elecraft KX-1 with all the options, 42' wire slingshotted up in the trees, J-37 straight key and a Begali Traveler paddle, just running off the AA batteries.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (Seiya) at September 12, 2021 08:00 PM (Seiya)

328 281 rhomboid, regarding action proving rounds, Brownells did carry them aka dummy bullets--case and real bullet but dunno who made them for Brownells. Could have been your guy making Brownell's dummy rounds for them.

The guy that developed the quick strip parts for the Ruger Mk series also died of cancer when I looked up Majestic gun parts. A lot of the old timers that made a lot of the accessories are falling by the wayside.

If you have a Swede Mauser, Liberty Tree Collectors has some dummy training ammo and you can find some odds and ends of such by other countries at Gunbroker as collectibles.

Posted by: whig at September 12, 2021 08:00 PM (xunV5)

329 Finishing up a LR308 build--just have to go local and buy the stripped receiver for that.
Posted by: w

we need pics when you finish that

Posted by: confederatefifth at September 12, 2021 08:01 PM (K3ZCc)

330 No worries. Need you to make that 700 yard target look stupid!

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 07:58 PM (MVjcR)

I hope too, I am bringing both 168 and 175 grain ammo to accomplish this.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 12, 2021 08:01 PM (mcfjc)

331 this is interesting - basically Pfizer treats Israel as a laboratory experiment as to the long term effects of the vaccine https://twitter.com/hobeets/status/1436781456173543424

Posted by: Dinkum Thinkum at September 12, 2021 08:01 PM (RxwL0)

332 Flying. Unless there is a mask/vacc mandate. Then, hitch hiking. With a long arm over my shoulder.
I may not make it to the Thursday hors douvres.

Posted by: RI Red at September 12, 2021 08:02 PM (CJtAX)

333 46 Weasel, an amendment. I have found a place here in town that does table/chair rental and I have already put the order in. We will have no shortage of either this year.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 12, 2021 06:20 PM (j6EPE)


Could a fellow bring a lounge chair if he wanted to lounge?

Posted by: Javems at September 12, 2021 08:02 PM (AmoqO)

334 Weasel, nice - you definitely have a taste for the strong ones (though maduros aren't always strong).

Had a Nub Habano this week, a small Baccarat and a Cuban Rounds cigarillo another day. But I bought some more non-Connecticut cigars reputed to be medium and full of flavor.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at September 12, 2021 08:03 PM (OTzUX)

335 >>> 229 PSA for those of you that are arriving in TX on Thursday-- There will be drinks and appetizers at the ranch when you get here.
Posted by: Ben Had at September 12, 2021 07:27 PM (j6EPE)

Well... *checks calendar*

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 12, 2021 08:03 PM (ACi07)

336 Weasel, an amendment. I have found a place here in town that does table/chair rental and I have already put the order in. We will have no shortage of either this year.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 12, 2021 06:20 PM (j6EPE)
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Great! That'll free up space in the trunk for another rifle!

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 08:03 PM (MVjcR)

337 Great Shooting Nurse! That's the Cat's Pajamas.
Thanks for the Gun Thread Wasel!

Posted by: DBCooper at September 12, 2021 08:03 PM (JOV35)

338 I am fine with paying up for the good stuff for the toys, however, the thing that pisses me off is the $300 flashlight, that I do not want anyway

Posted by: confederatefifth at September 12, 2021 08:04 PM (K3ZCc)

339 324 C5,
I also have to give kudos for Aim Surplus in Ohio in both speed of shipping and pricing on a lot of items and I have had good luck with Brownells, Midwayusa, Midsouth Shooters, and Natchez Shooting supply for a lot of general items including ammo, reloading gear, firearm parts, and shooting/cleaning equipment.

Posted by: whig at September 12, 2021 08:04 PM (xunV5)

340 Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at September 12, 2021 08:03 PM (OTzUX)
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I have been digging the Bahia bundle Maduros lately at around $2.50 a pop.

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 08:05 PM (MVjcR)

341 I may not make it to the Thursday hors douvres.

Posted by: RI Red at September 12, 2021 08:02 PM (CJtAX)

I am driving, need anything transported?

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 12, 2021 08:05 PM (mcfjc)

342 325 screaming in digital (Jesse's Girl)
Thanks! I think I will feel better after actually having the class and being able to shoot. It's all such an unknown to me right now.

Posted by: tecumsehtea at September 12, 2021 08:05 PM (skoMC)

343 Gun thread!!! And what a great one, Weasel.

Holy cow, I'm sure glad no one got hurt in the "incident," Jesse!

Greetings to all from the gorgeous state of Maine.

I may have reached my limit already in lobsta consumption!

Posted by: Ladyl at September 12, 2021 08:07 PM (dCPWk)

344 I also have to give kudos for Aim Surplus in Ohio in both speed of shipping and pricing on a lot of items and I have had good luck with Brownells, Midwayusa, Midsouth Shooters, and Natchez Shooting supply for a lot of general items including ammo, reloading gear, firearm parts, and shooting/cleaning equipment.
Posted by: w

have not heard of Aim, have to give them a try.

brownells is my other go to, other than primary, but I use midway every so often. I get the sense that Brownells is bigger than primary arms.

thanks for the heads up, useful informatin

Posted by: confederatefifth at September 12, 2021 08:07 PM (K3ZCc)

345 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 12, 2021 08:01 PM (mcfjc)
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I'm bringing my chrono, so remind me to measure the MV for those out of your rifle.

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 08:07 PM (MVjcR)

346 Today is the birthday of Richard Jordan Gatling (September 12, 1818 -- February 26, 1903).

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 12, 2021 08:07 PM (a3Q+t)

347 Posted by: Ladyl at September 12, 2021 08:07 PM (dCPWk)
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Thank you, Ladyl!!

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 08:08 PM (MVjcR)

348 I may not make it to the Thursday hors douvres.

Posted by: R


if it was spelld with a "w" you would be there

Posted by: confederatefifth at September 12, 2021 08:08 PM (K3ZCc)

349 Ladyl - why don't you tell some of the MoMe fence sitters how much fun they are.

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 08:10 PM (MVjcR)

350 Today is the birthday of Richard Jordan Gatling (September 12, 1818 -- February 26, 1903).
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 12, 2021 08:07 PM (a3Q+t)

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Without his vision and ingenuity, the world might never have experienced Jordan almonds.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 12, 2021 08:10 PM (VxC1e)

351 RE the accidental discharge, nobody else thought "shit happens" besides me


/

sigh

Posted by: confederatefifth at September 12, 2021 08:10 PM (K3ZCc)

352 Weasel, if you don't mind me asking, how long does it take you to drive down to the TX MoMe? I've been looking over my Rand McNally and trying to figure out how long the drive will be. It looks like three days and change. Yes, I'm already thinking ahead to next year...

Posted by: Ed L at September 12, 2021 08:11 PM (7je7d)

353 heard some Europeans, quite a few South Americans on the grayline, west coast but nothing beyond there, as is usually the case ... actual contacts were all in CONUS though, kansas, virginia, ohio, michigan, ... .

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (Seiya) at September 12, 2021 08:11 PM (Seiya)

354 252 Emmie, we gonna have a drum session on 5 gal buckets.
Posted by: Ben Had at September 12, 2021 07:34 PM (j6EPE


Well, as long as we're in a circle, I guess that's okay.

Posted by: Emmie at September 12, 2021 08:11 PM (6RgRK)

355 I got Jordan almonds in, well, Jordan, once. Amman. There they were in the bakery we stopped in. I still don't know if the name has any connection to the place, but they did have them there.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at September 12, 2021 08:11 PM (OTzUX)

356 Just a follow-up on wish-list firearms, if say you want to shoot a .45acp, bring some .45acp ammo. That's .45acp, not .45Sig or .45Gap, ok? 9mm is pretty much the vanilla caliber as is .22lr. If you want to shoot a .22lr semi-auto, CCI .22lr is what it takes. .22lr revolvers will pretty much eat any .22lr. We will try to match you up with with what you want if we know ahead of time. It's a shooting familiarization thing, and should be fun for first-timers. Right?

Posted by: Eromero at September 12, 2021 08:11 PM (0OP+5)

357 in fairness, I think we need a ruling about referring to anything family friendly as a mome

Posted by: confederatefifth at September 12, 2021 08:11 PM (K3ZCc)

358 Posted by: Ed L at September 12, 2021 08:11 PM (7je7d)
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81 South to 40 West. Takes a little over 20 hours for me kind of hauling ass.

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 08:12 PM (MVjcR)

359 329 C5, I'll send some to Weasel. The biggest issue with .308 AR builds is getting the cycling right. Using a JP tunable gas block and rifle fixed stock and .308 rifle buffer helps.

Aimsurplus has been around for a long time and sometimes has some interesting C&R firearms and usually a good source for Prvi ammunition.

Posted by: whig at September 12, 2021 08:12 PM (xunV5)

360 Weasel, as always THANK YOU for yet another informative and entertaining gun thread. It makes the end of the weekend much more bearable. :-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 12, 2021 08:13 PM (mcfjc)

361 I've been looking over my Rand McNally and trying to figure out how long the drive will be. It looks like three days and change. Yes, I'm already thinking ahead to next year...
Posted by: E


there has to be some way to do that with the internets

Posted by: confederatefifth at September 12, 2021 08:13 PM (K3ZCc)

362 355 I got Jordan almonds in, well, Jordan, once. Amman. There they were in the bakery we stopped in. I still don't know if the name has any connection to the place, but they did have them there.
Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at September 12, 2021 08:11 PM (OTzUX)


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I've always wondered whether there was a connection.

To be fair, I didn't wonder enough to Google it.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 12, 2021 08:14 PM (VxC1e)

363 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 12, 2021 08:13 PM (mcfjc)
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Thanks, Scoob! My pleasure.

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 08:14 PM (MVjcR)

364 thanks for the heads up, useful informatin
Posted by: confederatefifth at September 12, 2021 08:07 PM (K3ZCc)

Concur on AIM Surplus. They get ammo of all types in and older firearms too. Good people.

https://tinyurl.com/zmt8mcsw

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 12, 2021 08:14 PM (R/m4+)

365 Helena Handbasket, you ain't but an hour away.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 12, 2021 08:15 PM (j6EPE)

366 One last source, TopGunSupply in Ohio is another parts warehouse that is particularly well stocked with Sig parts among other handgun makers. If Sig doesn't have it, try TopGunSupply.

Posted by: whig at September 12, 2021 08:15 PM (xunV5)

367 I have always had a good experience with AIM Surplus. Haven't bought anything from them in a while, but did get my surplus CZ-83 there. Would have bought a few police turn-in handguns, probably, over the years if not for the idiotic CA roster limitation. I also peruse their AR parts when I'm musing about my eventual build.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at September 12, 2021 08:15 PM (OTzUX)

368 Today is the birthday of Richard Jordan Gatling (September 12, 1818 -- February 26, 1903).
Posted by: Duncanthrax
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The good doctor, unfortunately, thought that creating a machine gun would inhibit people from waging war...he obviously didn't grok human nature.

Posted by: SMH - The War has been won, only the battles remain, as usual at September 12, 2021 08:15 PM (7+zu/)

369 Thanks DBCooper!

You get the Colt Thompson all spiffy?

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 12, 2021 08:16 PM (U2p+3)

370 349 Ladyl - why don't you tell some of the MoMe fence sitters how much fun they are.
Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 08:10 PM (MVjcR)


There simply are no words for how incredible the Texas momes are! EVERTHING Weasel wrote about these wonderful events is true, My third Texas mome is coming up, and I can't wait.

It is a life-changing and life affirming event.

There is no more gracious and welcoming soul on the planet than Ben Had. She is someone every moron in good standing MUST make the effort to meet. Your life will be bettered by the experience--I promise this with all my heart.

Posted by: Ladyl at September 12, 2021 08:16 PM (dCPWk)

371 e to Weasel. The biggest issue with .308 AR builds is getting the cycling right. Using a JP tunable gas block and rifle fixed stock and .308 rifle buffer helps.

Aimsurplus has been around for a long time and sometimes has some interesting C&R firearms and usually a good source for Prvi ammunition.
Posted by: w

thanks agin

that should be a nice gun

Posted by: confederatefifth at September 12, 2021 08:16 PM (K3ZCc)

372 there has to be some way to do that with the internets

Posted by: confederatefifth
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Having an actual atlas is better.

Posted by: SMH - The War has been won, only the battles remain, as usual at September 12, 2021 08:17 PM (7+zu/)

373 327 ... sock,

Thanks for the info. The idea of some QRP action in the north woods (along with some fishing for perch) sounds like heaven.








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Posted by: JTB at September 12, 2021 08:17 PM (7EjX1)

374 Posted by: Ladyl at September 12, 2021 08:16 PM (dCPWk)
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See?! I ain't lying!

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 08:17 PM (MVjcR)

375 Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 08:12 PM (MVjcR)
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That's some serious ass hauling. I did Falls Church to San Angelo in about 30 hours many moons ago.

Much caffeine was consumed.

Posted by: Thicc Boi at September 12, 2021 08:17 PM (zThcc)

376 Hey Weasel. : )

Hey y'all.

Posted by: SMH - The War has been won, only the battles remain, as usual at September 12, 2021 08:18 PM (7+zu/)

377 hey get ammo of all types in and older firearms too. Good people.

https://tinyurl.com/zmt8mcsw
Posted by: H



thanks

Posted by: confederatefifth at September 12, 2021 08:18 PM (K3ZCc)

378 Ben had,
Did you get the note I mailed you?

Posted by: lin-duh at September 12, 2021 08:18 PM (ergrq)

379 Posted by: SMH - The War has been won, only the battles remain, as usual at September 12, 2021 08:18 PM (7+zu/)
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Howdy girl! Looking forward to seeing you and ex-ex soon!

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 08:19 PM (MVjcR)

380 Hi Ben Had!

I'm so looking forward to your life affirming hugs.

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 12, 2021 08:19 PM (U2p+3)

381 Posted by: Thicc Boi at September 12, 2021 08:17 PM (zThcc)
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It rolls pretty well!

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 08:20 PM (MVjcR)

382 Going to call it a night. See you all next Sunday!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 12, 2021 08:21 PM (mcfjc)

383 {{{Nurse}}}

Posted by: Ladyl at September 12, 2021 08:21 PM (dCPWk)

384 I'm happy to see that Amazon is carrying a large line of Fuck Joe Biden merch.

Kind of a surprise.

Better get it on the deep web, though, paid with crypto.

Posted by: Mr Gaga at September 12, 2021 08:21 PM (saYnF)

385 382 Going to call it a night. See you all next Sunday!
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 12, 2021 08:21 PM (mcfjc)
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See ya bud.

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 08:21 PM (MVjcR)

386 & speaking of surplus:
- thx to whoever mentioned the Austrian fleece jackets, got mine a few weeks ago & readying it for a WI winter ... where it will just be an inner layer for the full panoply.
- bought a polish police armor vest last week; my old one was always a bit tight, I expect a polish XL will be not so much.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (Seiya) at September 12, 2021 08:22 PM (Seiya)

387 Having an actual atlas is better.
Posted by: S


Oh I have both, belt and suspenders, and I buy new versins of the relevant geography every year. no desire to be over-reliant upon tech.

Posted by: confederatefifth at September 12, 2021 08:22 PM (K3ZCc)

388 Ladyl!!!!

Hugs to you too! It's going to be weird not sharing a room with you! Or Jordan.

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 12, 2021 08:22 PM (U2p+3)

389 388 Ladyl!!!!

Hugs to you too! It's going to be weird not sharing a room with you! Or Jordan.
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 12, 2021 08:22 PM (U2p+3)


Well dang, girl. Call me next week sometime when you have time.

Posted by: Ladyl at September 12, 2021 08:23 PM (dCPWk)

390 Thanks for the info, Weasel. I'll be driving alone, and I don't trust myself pushing late into the night. Tried that back in 93 going from Chicago to Rapid City and had to pull over in Sioux Falls after nearly going off I-90 at the SD state line. Scared the heck out of me. Been a lot more cautious about pushing late into the night on a monotonous interstate since then.

Posted by: Ed L at September 12, 2021 08:23 PM (7je7d)

391 In the movie "Wind River" on Netflix, a scoped Marlin Model 1895SBL makes a significant appearance, especiallyin a shootout. At about the 24:50 mark, Jeremy Renner does some reloading. A pretty good film.

Posted by: JM in Florida - Behold the Manchurian Candidate at September 12, 2021 08:23 PM (HCeRP)

392
Welp, time for the 9:30 thank you.

Thank you!

Appreciate you all being here every week, and it's nice to see the delurking happening. Y'all are the best!

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 08:24 PM (MVjcR)

393 bought a polish police armor vest last week; my old one was always a bit tight, I expect a polish XL will be not so much.
Posted by: s


those are the vests that stop the bullts from back to front?

Posted by: confederatefifth at September 12, 2021 08:24 PM (K3ZCc)

394 386 & speaking of surplus:
- thx to whoever mentioned the Austrian fleece jackets, got mine a few weeks ago & readying it for a WI winter ... where it will just be an inner layer for the full panoply.
- bought a polish police armor vest last week; my old one was always a bit tight, I expect a polish XL will be not so much.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (Seiya) at September 12, 2021 08:22 PM

I have a Polish Army wool greatcoat. It is warm but kinda tight, sorta inherited it.

Posted by: Eromero at September 12, 2021 08:25 PM (0OP+5)

395 Hugs to you too! It's going to be weird not sharing a room with you! Or Jordan.
Posted by: n


wait, there was a time you actually got a room?

Posted by: confederatefifth at September 12, 2021 08:25 PM (K3ZCc)

396 This is a MoMe for all of you. You Bless me by being with all of your family that is the Horde. I just love the feeding ya all part.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 12, 2021 08:25 PM (j6EPE)

397 thanks agin

that should be a nice gun

Posted by: confederatefifth

Thanks for the compliment, it all depends on whether the rifle wants to cycle or not--most of the key parts are aeroprecision or CMMG. Didn't have a semi auto in .308 so figured the time was now went with an 18 inch mid priced Ballistics Advantage barrel with a full rifle length gas system. More interested in function than match accuracy at this point.

Posted by: whig at September 12, 2021 08:26 PM (xunV5)

398 Scoobs, i wish I could tell you I had a Ma Deuce that needed transport.
And with that, I am outa da haus.
Thx, weasel and all.

Posted by: RI Red at September 12, 2021 08:26 PM (CJtAX)

399 Weasel, I've been wondering, and this might be a bad time to bring it up, but what would you say to doing a postal match? Jim NSD did one a number of years ago and I thought it was a hoot. I understand it's a lot of work, so obviously it would be well after the TXMoMe. Maybe over the winter?

Posted by: Baron Munchausen at September 12, 2021 08:27 PM (C1NyB)

400 wait, there was a time you actually got a room?
Posted by: confederatefifth at


Yep! We all had our own beds too!

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 12, 2021 08:27 PM (U2p+3)

401 Posted by: Ed L at September 12, 2021 08:23 PM (7je7d)
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Sure! Nashville is the halfway point and I do it as two 10 hour days.

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 08:28 PM (MVjcR)

402 JTB, yes, it was not too far from it ! definitely see it out there in the haze at the horizon ...

(didn't pack any fishing stuff )
(spoze I coulda tried with the bare hooks & monofilament at the bottom of the survival kit ... but ... radio !)

hope you get a shot at it soon !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (Seiya) at September 12, 2021 08:28 PM (Seiya)

403 Weasel,
Thanks for the usual great thread. Hope you didn't mind the brief foray into QRP radio.

G'night, folks.

Posted by: JTB at September 12, 2021 08:28 PM (7EjX1)

404 Thanks for a great thread, Weasel. I worked 18 hours yesterday and got up early this morning, so I'm done. Little over a month to go, dude.

Posted by: Eromero at September 12, 2021 08:28 PM (0OP+5)

405 I also peruse their AR parts when I'm musing about my eventual build.

Posted by: rhomboid

Primary Arms and Ranier Arms are both good places for premium parts (and they do have some blaster quality as well). Aim surplus is a good place for budget or midrange parts.

Posted by: whig at September 12, 2021 08:28 PM (xunV5)

406 Thanks, Weasel and horde! Always a learning opportunity here thanks to everyone's collective wisdom. See you all next week.

Posted by: Ed L at September 12, 2021 08:29 PM (7je7d)

407 Posted by: RI Red at September 12, 2021 08:26 PM (CJtAX)
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Adios amigo!

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 08:29 PM (MVjcR)

408 Yep! We all had our own beds too!
Posted by: n


who rnts rooms with three beds?

were the stooges running a holiday inn?

Posted by: confederatefifth at September 12, 2021 08:30 PM (K3ZCc)

409 Posted by: Ed L at September 12, 2021 08:29 PM (7je7d)
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Happy to have you here!

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 08:30 PM (MVjcR)

410 sock rat eez, mighta been me?

Got my ostereiches Bundesheer fleece form Varusteleka in Finland. Got it in April or something so no chance to use it where I am since then. But it's nice.

Reminds me, gotta check that site again. They had some cool Swiss military surplus dark snow goggles that would be great for snow-shoeing on sunny days, but out of stock last time.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at September 12, 2021 08:30 PM (OTzUX)

411 See ya Ed L. Happy Trails.

Posted by: whig at September 12, 2021 08:31 PM (xunV5)

412 Posted by: Eromero at September 12, 2021 08:28 PM (0OP+5)
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Yeah brother! Looking forward to it!

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 08:31 PM (MVjcR)

413 I'm happy to see that Amazon is carrying a large line of Fuck Joe Biden merch.

Posted by: Mr Gaga at September 12, 2021 08:21 PM (saYnF)

Well, its becoming fairly apparent at this stage that 90% of the US liberal media and progressive tech corporations have devolved into billionaire masturbation exercises. These owners have fairly few paying customers at this stage, and they are hated by a vast majority of US citizens. A few of them have noticed that no one likes them and have started to pretend they are still just neutral folks, but for the most part, they all just pay a fortune to talk to the same 12 woke liberals fans who were their fans last month and virtual signal to their billionaire roledex buds.

This will go on for a while until a few of these ibeciles start to run short of 'fuck you bucks', and then slowly the tide will turn against the left and the dough will dry up - and a lot of weird lefty politicians will get introduced to the construction/lawn care industry.

Posted by: Boswell at September 12, 2021 08:31 PM (5iUNf)

414 Evening.

*Skims thread.

Note to self: Never mess with Nurse. She'll fuck you up!

Posted by: Robert - Iron Maiden, Senjutsu, OUT NOW!!! at September 12, 2021 08:32 PM (1Yy3c)

415 Posted by: JTB at September 12, 2021 08:28 PM (7EjX1)
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No worries! Thanks for being here, JTB!

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 08:32 PM (MVjcR)

416 Weasel, I've been wondering, and this might be a bad time to bring it up, but what would you say to doing a postal match? Jim NSD did one a number of years ago and I thought it was a hoot. I understand it's a lot of work, so obviously it would be well after the TXMoMe. Maybe over the winter?

Posted by: Baron Munchausen at September 12, 2021 08:27 PM

That postal match was a lot of fun. I didn't shoot but Mrs. E did, a KelTech PMR30. Did pretty darn good too. That's when she got interested in the moronosphere, and what Eromero was doing there.

Posted by: Eromero at September 12, 2021 08:33 PM (0OP+5)

417 Note to self: Never mess with Nurse. She'll fuck you up!

Posted by: Robert

She is a survivor that is for sure.

Posted by: whig at September 12, 2021 08:33 PM (xunV5)

418 yeah, Eromero, I bet it is;
wish I could fit Papa Eez's Navy peacoat he brought back from The War; 3/8" thick, solid wool, Chicago winters just bounced off.

why I took a 50 year old JC Penney wool blanket camping last week, inna nutshell.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (Seiya) at September 12, 2021 08:33 PM (Seiya)

419 Well, time to wander.

Thanks again, weasel!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at September 12, 2021 08:34 PM (2SdPm)

420 I'm happy to see that Amazon is carrying a large line of Fuck Joe Biden merch.
Posted by: Mr Gaga at September 12, 2021 08:21 PM (saYnF)


WTF??!! This could mess with my space colonization plans!! BOARD MEETING IN ONE HOUR!!!!!!

Posted by: Jeff Bezos at September 12, 2021 08:34 PM (L2ZTs)

421 whig thanks for that guidance, I've been assuming I'll be doing a semi-budgetish build. Don't expect the rifle to get lots of use, and my goals will be light weight, reliability, and performance out to 100 yards. Iron sights.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at September 12, 2021 08:34 PM (OTzUX)

422 Well, its becoming fairly apparent at this stage that 90% of the US liberal media and progressive tech corporations have devolved into billionaire masturbation exercises. These owners have fairly few paying customers at this stage, and they are hated by a vast majority of US citizens. A few of them have noticed that no one likes them and have started to pretend they are still just neutral folks, but for the most part, they all just pay a fortune to talk to the same 12 woke liberals fans who were their fans last month and virtual signal to their billionaire roledex buds.

This will go on for a while until a few of these ibeciles start to run short of 'fuck you bucks', and then slowly the tide will turn against the left and the dough will dry up - and a lot of weird lefty politicians will get introduced to the construction/lawn care industry.
Posted by: B


Bezos is the most dissappointing of the faild wanna be bond villian billionaires.

his wife divorced him, his mistress is somebody's used wife, his rockts do not work, and he and his company are hated.

Posted by: confederatefifth at September 12, 2021 08:34 PM (K3ZCc)

423 Takes a little over 20 hours for me kind of hauling ass.

No way this conversation could go wrong:

"Oh, hi officer. Me? Oh, I'm just heading from DC to Texas. Any weapons? Yeah, a... um few."

Posted by: Oddbob at September 12, 2021 08:35 PM (nfrXX)

424 Eromero that reminds me I think they actually had Polish army greatcoats at that site last time I looked. Just can't justify getting one here (San Diego).

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at September 12, 2021 08:35 PM (OTzUX)

425 Weasel, I've been wondering, and this might be a bad time to bring it up, but what would you say to doing a postal match? Jim NSD did one a number of years ago and I thought it was a hoot. I understand it's a lot of work, so obviously it would be well after the TXMoMe. Maybe over the winter?

Posted by: Baron Munchausen at September 12, 2021 08:27 PM

That postal match was a lot of fun. I didn't shoot but Mrs. E did, a KelTech PMR30. Did pretty darn good too. That's when she got interested in the moronosphere, and what Eromero was doing there.
Posted by: Eromero at September 12, 2021 08:33 PM (0OP+5)
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I'd be happy to host it on the thread as long as someone manages it.

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 08:35 PM (MVjcR)

426 I was shocked when I learned yesterday that three of my D neighbors said they had changes to registered Independent. These are the suburban wine grandmas.

Posted by: JM in Florida - Behold the Manchurian Candidate at September 12, 2021 08:36 PM (HCeRP)

427 Oddbob, beat me to it, was having exactly the same thought about Weasel's ass-haulin' trip to Corsicana. Especially the conversation about what's in trunk.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at September 12, 2021 08:36 PM (OTzUX)

428
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at September 12, 2021 08:34 PM (2SdPm)
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Happy to do it blake!

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 08:37 PM (MVjcR)

429 Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at September 12, 2021 08:36 PM (OTzUX)
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In the trunk? Sporting equipment!

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 08:38 PM (MVjcR)

430 I'm certain Weasel doesn't speed excessively and doesn't drive tired. And he doesn't draw attention to himself by driving like an idiot through small towns.

It really isn't that difficult to behave, you know.

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 12, 2021 08:38 PM (U2p+3)

431 And, besides that... he's a perfectly charming gentleman.

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 12, 2021 08:40 PM (U2p+3)

432 kind of hauling ass.
Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 08:12 PM (MVjcR)

I thought we agreed that bringing gov't agents was a BAD diea?

Posted by: GWB at September 12, 2021 08:40 PM (8YyYb)

433 may be, rhomboid ... 'member the link was the finns, but I found my size in the uk actually ... jeez, paid as much for shipping though ... still worth it not to give the money to chicoms or their us allies like patagonia ...
and definitely a nice jacket w/ lotsa pockets; a must !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (Seiya) at September 12, 2021 08:40 PM (Seiya)

434 I am no longer so certain I can make it to Texas. The personal events of the past few weeks has dug deep into my PTO, and I need to be there for my team. I am not bowing out. it could still happpen. But this might not be the leisurely tour of Texas Hill country that we had originally planned. At best it would be a long weekend filled with a lot of windshield time.

Oh, I know. Dry your eyes.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Keith's Son at September 12, 2021 08:41 PM (x8Wzq)

435 I'm certain Weasel doesn't speed excessively and doesn't drive tired. And he doesn't draw attention to himself by driving like an idiot through small towns.

It really isn't that difficult to behave, you know.
Posted by: n

three words

dayglo red subraru wrx
browning buckmaster bumper sticker
glass pack muffler
gound effects

Posted by: confederatefifth at September 12, 2021 08:42 PM (K3ZCc)

436 431 And, besides that... he's a perfectly charming gentleman.
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 12, 2021 08:40 PM (U2p+3)
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Ha! And I mostly keep it under 100.

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 08:42 PM (MVjcR)

437 Wanted to say thanks to Weasel.

Would have like to maybe attend the MoMeet in TX but unfortunately medical issues have me unable to travel any distance at the present time.

Still slowly proceeding in my bolt action project, R700, gunsmith will check out the action for blueprinting after the deer season rush. Probably going with .280 Remington with the possibility of later reaming out to .280 AI because the action is a long one. Don't want something that overlaps my other rifle chambers but already reload for 7x57mm.

Posted by: whig at September 12, 2021 08:42 PM (xunV5)

438 I'm certain Weasel doesn't speed excessively and doesn't drive tired. And he doesn't draw attention to himself by driving like an idiot through small towns.

It really isn't that difficult to behave, you know.
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 12, 2021 08:38 PM (U2p+3)

I bet he hits cruise control and racks out on the back bunk. It's all good.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Keith's Son at September 12, 2021 08:43 PM (x8Wzq)

439 Bezos is the most dissappointing of the faild wanna be bond villian billionaires.

his wife divorced him, his mistress is somebody's used wife, his rockts do not work, and he and his company are hated.
Posted by: confederatefifth at September 12, 2021 08:34 PM (K3ZCc)

Yeah - what really brought the Soviets down, ands about which very little is discussed, is that everyone was broke, even the politburo honchos. No one had any money anymore in the Soviet sphere to fund a lifestyle to support all that tyranny - and tyranny can be a lot of work. So the Soviet gang lords sought Western $$ and were more than happy to abandon Soviet rule to get it...this is the bitter end of all lefty communism governance - you simply run out of other peoples money and then look at each other and say, "Hey Comrade, capitalism might just work!"

Posted by: Boswell at September 12, 2021 08:43 PM (5iUNf)

440 Posted by: whig at September 12, 2021 08:42 PM (xunV5)
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Happy to do it, Whig. Maybe next year!

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 08:44 PM (MVjcR)

441 Good heavens. That last video. I'm scarred for life.

Posted by: bluebell at September 12, 2021 08:44 PM (wyw4S)

442 Off megalomaniacal trillionaire sock

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 12, 2021 08:45 PM (L2ZTs)

443 441 Good heavens. That last video. I'm scarred for life.
Posted by: bluebell at September 12, 2021 08:44 PM (wyw4S)
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Hey there!!

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 08:45 PM (MVjcR)

444 as always, thanks for the thread, Weasel !

alla youse wit' dat mo-mee thing; maybe seeya nex' year !

blessings and protections upon the whole Moron Horde as we move on into another week of The New "Normal" .

*spits*

*tosses back one last shot*

or should those be reversed ?
save a cigar for me next year !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (Seiya) at September 12, 2021 08:46 PM (Seiya)

445 Pug and whig,
Two of the gentlemen I most wanted to meet and hug.

*sad face*

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 12, 2021 08:46 PM (U2p+3)

446 Posted by: sock_rat_eez (Seiya) at September 12, 2021 08:46 PM (Seiya)
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My pleasure. Nite sock rat!

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 08:47 PM (MVjcR)

447 Bezos is plotting a Christmas Revenge. Suessian in nature.

Posted by: klaftern at September 12, 2021 08:47 PM (r4sI4)

448
I bet he hits cruise control and racks out on the back bunk. It's all good.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Keith's Son at September 12, 2021 08:43 PM (x8Wzq)
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Cruise control and satellite radio!

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 08:49 PM (MVjcR)

449 nood
ONT is up

Posted by: GWB at September 12, 2021 08:50 PM (8YyYb)

450 Pug, I really hope you can make it to Texas. It will be a shorter trip for us than I would like as well. Driving down Wednesday and Thursday and starting back Sunday.

And (very) belated condolences and hugs to you and yours.

Posted by: screaming in digital (Jesse's Girl) at September 12, 2021 08:50 PM (kTRt4)

451 Note to self: Never mess with Nurse. She'll fuck you up!
Posted by: Robert - Iron Maiden, Senjutsu, OUT NOW!!! at September 12, 2021 08:32 PM


Well, she does choose the size of the catheter.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 12, 2021 08:50 PM (a3Q+t)

452 Trump has Melania

Bezos has somebody else's used wife that shovd out four kids and has to deal with her other kids and her ex.

who is the big winner here?

Posted by: confederatefifth at September 12, 2021 08:50 PM (K3ZCc)

453 Pro Tip for a "Dot" that's not a "Dot".

I have a Vortex Viper PST Gen1, 4x16x50 (moa) on my precision AR. Dual (red/green) illuminated reticle.

Want a "Dot" sight for up to 100 yds? Close the front lens cap, turn the reticle up a few clicks, shoot with both eyes open. Your brain will superimpose the dot with your visual image, and you'll hit what the "Dot" says you're gonna hit. Try it and see.

Then, open the cap and you're back to 500 yd.+ shots.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 12, 2021 08:50 PM (QzJWU)

454 Okey-dokey. ONT is up! Thank you all so much for being here and supporting the thread by contributing to the discussion. I really appreciate it.
Enjoy the rest of your evening, have a great week, and hope to see you here next Sunday!

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 08:50 PM (MVjcR)

455 Pug and whig,
Two of the gentlemen I most wanted to meet and hug.

*sad face*
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 12, 2021 08:46 PM (U2p+3)

It's not a lost cause. We may still be there. I just know that in my business things happen quickly in the fall (winding down the construction season), and what with all the Dad stuff, I burrowed further into my PTO than I wanted to. I really want to be in Texas.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Keith's Son at September 12, 2021 08:51 PM (x8Wzq)

456 Weasel, did I step on my own contribution linking that WWII firearms training film? As probably only a few looked at it via the link, you might keep it in your pile for future basic info items. I found it did a great job explaining the basic differences between actions.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at September 12, 2021 08:51 PM (OTzUX)

457 Enjoy the rest of your evening, have a great week, and hope to see you here next Sunday!
Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 08:50 PM (MVjcR)

'Night, Weasel. Muchas gracias.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Keith's Son at September 12, 2021 08:52 PM (x8Wzq)

458 Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at September 12, 2021 08:51 PM (OTzUX)
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Saving it for later. No worries!

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 08:52 PM (MVjcR)

459 Sorry I'm late to say thank you, Weasel and Horde!

Cannot wait for Texas. Coworkers better quit putting dumbass meetings on my calendar for Oct. 20-25.

Posted by: screaming in digital (Jesse's Girl) at September 12, 2021 08:52 PM (kTRt4)

460 Nite Pug! My pleasure.

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 08:53 PM (MVjcR)

461 And those Bahias look tempting, Weasel. Right now overwhelmed with choices and trying to work down a list of "try 'ems" before I buy very many. And working on beverage pairings.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at September 12, 2021 08:54 PM (OTzUX)

462 Happy to do it, SiD. Look forward to seeing you in Texas!

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 08:54 PM (MVjcR)

463 Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at September 12, 2021 08:54 PM (OTzUX)
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They're actually pretty well made cigars considering the price.

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 08:56 PM (MVjcR)

464 g'nite Weasel ! & Horde !

not gone yet, but bedtime may sneak up on me sudden-like ...


& yeah, like JTB said, if anyone was annoyed by our excursion into low-power ham radio from out back among the big sticks, our apologies.

and reallio trulio, save a cigar & some bourbon for me next year !
put the 629 snubbie out there for foax to try on Handgun Day !
can I getta woohoo ?!

*WOOHOO ! *

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (Seiya) at September 12, 2021 08:58 PM (Seiya)

465 Thanks for the kind words nurse. Have had some significant medical issues the last several years that have kept me close to home.

Posted by: whig at September 12, 2021 08:59 PM (xunV5)

466 LOL, reached for my shotglass ... ; & knocked down a couple of objects on the desktop .. which pretty much sez "g'night", amirite ?
LOL, g'night everyone, seeya inna mornin' over hot covfefe & misc breakfast items ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (Seiya) at September 12, 2021 09:05 PM (Seiya)

467 Posted by: sock_rat_eez (Seiya) at September 12, 2021 08:58 PM (Seiya)
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Sock rat, if you're still around, drop me an email if you don't mind. I have an idea!

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 09:14 PM (MVjcR)

468 Hey every.... Looks around, place is empty. Starts sweeping up for Weasel....

Posted by: OrangeEnt at September 12, 2021 09:25 PM (7bRMQ)

469 Jesse,

Welcome to Wyoming! Even it if is commie Albany County.

Posted by: Fletch at September 13, 2021 09:16 AM (7B5OF)

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