"Three Generations Of Idiots Is Enough" Only, I Am Referring To Our "Elites"

I watched a 9/11 documentary yesterday that focused on the Bush administration. It was mostly personal remembrances of the hours and days following the attacks, with Bush, Cheney, Condelezza Rice, Karl Rove and many other administration officials speaking on both personal and professional topics.

As I watched, I grew angrier and more disgusted by the combination of hubris and elitism of most of the participants in the administrations response to a huge national security failure. Several things stood out...

The first and perhaps most disappointing was President Bush's curious inability to express himself. I am old enough to understand the difference between glibness and intelligence, and the inability to craft a marvelous turn of a phrase or speak elegantly is not a sign of stupidity or ignorance. One can communicate powerful ideas with simple words, but he couldn't even do that. I think that speaks to how limited his imagination and vision is, and current events certainly back that up, as his comments yesterday expose. He chose the lazy route of condemning domestic terrorism! How clever...how visionary!

But the most disturbing was the careful and almost universal support for their own failures! 20 years later they could have looked back and questioned their choices and decisions, yet the only criticism was the formulaic, "We should have done more."

No, you should have done less. Much less. And what you did do was the wrong thing, both before and after the attacks. As Socrates said, "The unexamined life is not worth living," and clearly these people have not spent any time reevaluating the profound decisions they made in light of the conspicuous lack of results. Their attitudes were redolent of a corporate team-building exercise, in which everyone is wonderful and intelligent and the entire focus should be on supporting the team and its decisions.

Except...3,000 people died, and their response was to spend trillions of dollars and many more thousands of lives on nation building and creating nonsensical and unworkable alliances. And when that didn't work, well...spend more money!

The popular definition of insanity is "Doing the same thing day after day and expecting a different result." But these people aren't insane, they are simply stupid and ignorant and arrogant. That they didn't observe the results of their plans and correct accordingly is a sign of many things, but intelligence isn't one of them.

Oliver Wendell Holmes was correct, but the larger issue is that after three generations of our Ivy League elite making catastrophically wrong decisions and creating a massive and uncontrollable Deep StateTM, coupled with a gleeful embrace of the Socialism-Lite of the Democrat party, we have come to the end of the road; those three generations of idiots has been enough to destroy American Exceptionalism and drag our great country into the muck of the rest of the world.

Posted by: CBD at 12:00 PM




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1 First sponge

Posted by: Skip at September 12, 2021 11:00 AM (2JoB8)

2 Has there ever been a survey/study of the % of agency heads/cabinet members who hold ivy league degrees?

Posted by: BignJames at September 12, 2021 11:03 AM (AwYPR)

3 Correct response was go kick ass, make a permanent presence and say do what you want but we are watching in your back yard so be careful.

Posted by: Skip at September 12, 2021 11:04 AM (2JoB8)

4 Our elites are all inbred, soft, moneyed idiots who will one day reap what they have sown.

Hopefully soon.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 12, 2021 11:04 AM (R/m4+)

5 What a sad state of affairs.. I used to be behind W now I wouldn't care if the World Court convicted him with murder or whatever they were trying to do years ago...

Posted by: It's me donna at September 12, 2021 11:04 AM (L91xj)

6 BignJames my guess %95

Posted by: Skip at September 12, 2021 11:04 AM (2JoB8)

7 two ?

Posted by: Big Star at September 12, 2021 11:05 AM (pvJV4)

8 And 20 years later, here we are.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 12, 2021 11:05 AM (Xrfse)

9 Islam is a religion of pieces

Posted by: Big Star at September 12, 2021 11:05 AM (pvJV4)

10 8 And 20 years later, here we are.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 12, 2021 11:05 AM (Xrfse)

How did we get to this F'ed up place ?

Posted by: It's me donna at September 12, 2021 11:06 AM (L91xj)

11 Socialism-Lite

Great filling
Taste less

Posted by: rhennigantx at September 12, 2021 11:07 AM (yrol0)

12 hiya

Posted by: JT at September 12, 2021 11:07 AM (arJlL)

13 How did we get to this F'ed up place ?

Our "betters".

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 12, 2021 11:07 AM (Xrfse)

14 I always thought Bush was kind of a snob. Now I agree with the Dem back in the day, Hes a fucking idiot.

Posted by: rhennigantx at September 12, 2021 11:08 AM (yrol0)

15 Trump said pussy!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 12, 2021 11:09 AM (kTF2Z)

16 All the presidents responsible were there at Ground Zero yesterday for their photo op. Trump visited cops and firemen.

Posted by: JuJuBee at September 12, 2021 11:09 AM (UsshY)

17 In 20 years, a helluva lot of people made trillions of dollars in the military-defense industry.

Posted by: Roy at September 12, 2021 11:10 AM (Ti+Tv)

18 Buy ammo.

Posted by: That guy who always tells you to buy ammo at September 12, 2021 11:10 AM (jYQlA)

19 Only 3?

Posted by: Biden's Dog at September 12, 2021 11:10 AM (XOHmk)

20 Educated and credentialed does not equal excellence, bravery or competence.

We need a reckoning.

Doubt we will get it with so many ignorant and lazy Americans who only care about feee stuff.

Posted by: Czech Chick at September 12, 2021 11:10 AM (haWye)

21 I always thought Bush was kind of a snob. Now I agree with the Dem back in the day, Hes a fucking idiot.
Posted by: rhennigantx at September 12, 2021 11:08 AM (yrol0)

I will never "agree" with the dems on anything. They hate America and put a senile fool in The White House. Bush is a fucking idiot all on his own. Does not need any support from the dems to know that

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 12, 2021 11:11 AM (Irn0L)

22 Our blood, their profit.

The uniparty has gotten obscenely wealthy looting our taxes: The right twix on military adventure kickbacks, the left twix on foreign aid kickbacks.

Posted by: Lrrr at September 12, 2021 11:11 AM (jIL4c)

23 This quote from Matt Boose in Morning Report some weeks ago has stayed with me.

"America today has the most unworthy ruling class in the history of the human race. It is a crime against good taste and civilization that people so stupid and imperious, so childish, unimpressive, and fraudulent, are giving marching orders."

Posted by: Ordinary American at September 12, 2021 11:12 AM (w+J5+)

24 Bonk bonk on tha heads

Posted by: Dr. Varno at September 12, 2021 11:12 AM (vuisn)

25 I voted for GW Bush twice. Kind of embarrassing, but I still think he's better than Gore or Kerry would have been.

Posted by: zmdavid at September 12, 2021 11:14 AM (xqRaG)

26 It would have been the perfect and appropriate time to use nukes after 9/11. I can't tell you how disappointed I was when we didn't.

Posted by: Justsayin' at September 12, 2021 11:14 AM (Fs5vw)

27 Bush -- I saw him as a dry-drunk fixated on turning the other cheek from the bitch slaps he kept getting from the Left. Surreal to have so little self respect; that would seem to arise out of a kind of bent religiosity.

Posted by: Ordinary American at September 12, 2021 11:14 AM (w+J5+)

28 Spot on, CBD! The fact that the left likes Bush more as the years pass tells everything you need to know about him. And the fact that he couldn't even get his own pilot to land the plane in DC after the attacks let's you know he wasn't really in charge of events. And the horrible deer in the headlights speech he have at the beginning of the Iraq war is terrifying now in hindsight. He didn't decide to invade Iraq. That decision was made for him and product tested with weapons of mass destruction.

Posted by: Max Power at September 12, 2021 11:14 AM (QCc6B)

29 I'm sure someone mentioned this over the last few days. The national security failure which culminated with 9/11 was already in place way before Bush Jr. was president. I'm not being kind to Bush. But much of what he and many others at the top based themselves on was taken from really bad intelligence data.

Posted by: Biden's Dog at September 12, 2021 11:15 AM (XOHmk)

30 BignJames my guess %95

Posted by: Skip at September 12, 2021 11:04 AM (2JoB

That's why I believed in the Deep State before I ever heard the term. The vast majority of our appointed positions are filled with people from one specific background. Worse, in my opinion, is that the salaried apparatchiks (those who have bragged for decades about their control of what the elected see and hear) are all poli-sci graduates from Yale, Harvard, and Stanford and all had the same professors (who also all had the same professors). It's hardly surprising they don't need direct orders in the coup. They've been selected for their ability to simply know the "right" decisions to make/push.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at September 12, 2021 11:15 AM (1lKRm)

31 FML. My neighbor mowed her lawn Thursday evening and is at it again. Was hoping for a relatively quiet afternoon. I guess I wouldn't mind if it was a fairly quick process but it's usually a three hour affair. Mow two rows, stop and empty the grass catcher, rinse and repeat. I know - small potatoes within the grand scheme of things but I have a tendency to vent about dumb stuff. Heh.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 12, 2021 11:15 AM (Xrfse)

32 For 8 years I defended W when he wouldn't defend himself. Come to find out, he wouldn't piss on me if I was on fire.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 12, 2021 11:15 AM (kTF2Z)

33 2 Has there ever been a survey/study of the % of agency heads/cabinet members who hold ivy league degrees?
Posted by: BignJames at September 12, 2021 11:03 AM (AwYPR)
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Lots of people without Ivy League degrees are still awful. Biden went to Delaware and Syracuse.

Posted by: zmdavid at September 12, 2021 11:16 AM (xqRaG)

34 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - Michael Byrd MURDERED Ashli Babbitt at September 12, 2021 11:16 AM (Zz0t1)

35 Bush is asshoe.

Posted by: Sponge - Michael Byrd MURDERED Ashli Babbitt at September 12, 2021 11:17 AM (Zz0t1)

36 Posted by: rhennigantx at September 12, 2021 11:08 AM (yrol0)

According to reports he was an absolute shark at poker by getting his opponents to underestimate him. Looks like We The People were the mark in a rigged game after all.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at September 12, 2021 11:17 AM (1lKRm)

37 Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at September 12, 2021 11:15 AM (1lKRm)

You may be correct.

Posted by: BignJames at September 12, 2021 11:17 AM (AwYPR)

38 No more Clinton.
No more Bush.
I'm tired of taking it
In the tush.

- Burma Shave

Posted by: Sponge - Michael Byrd MURDERED Ashli Babbitt at September 12, 2021 11:17 AM (Zz0t1)

39 It's a good thing that we have intelligence professionals in 17 agencies that catch all these threats to national security before they happen.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 12, 2021 11:18 AM (kTF2Z)

40 Republican politicians have all the political will of a weather vane.

Posted by: zmdavid at September 12, 2021 11:18 AM (xqRaG)

41 In the military, when discussing options and soliciting input from the staff, a good commander will start with the junior guy and work up. This avoids the junior people from being swayed by the more serious members of the staff. It avoids group think.
Further, it lets the junior guy learn how to express his ideas, plus it allows the senior guys to realize that sometimes the junior dudes get it right.

This hasn't happened a lot since 9/12.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 12, 2021 11:19 AM (axyOa)

42 England apparently has less idiotic leadership, at least insofar as they figured out they can't keep pushing and avoid becoming lamppost decorations forever.

https://tinyurl.com/m2fsc6pk

(vaccine passports abandoned)

Posted by: Methos at September 12, 2021 11:19 AM (kOpft)

43 >>>I think that speaks to how limited his imagination and vision is, and current events certainly back that up, as his comments yesterday expose. He chose the lazy route of condemning domestic terrorism!

W is a uniparty POS. He embodies everything that is wrong with GOPe. F him to death. Then piss on his grave.

Posted by: flounder at September 12, 2021 11:19 AM (KnJdm)

44 I see it with my lib relatives. Anyone labeled an "expert" must not be questioned. Anything an "expert" such as Fauci says on TV has the gravity of Moses bringing down the tablets from the mountain. You're the stupid ignorant one for being skeptical.

Posted by: JuJuBee at September 12, 2021 11:19 AM (UsshY)

45 For 8 years I defended W when he wouldn't defend himself. Come to find out, he wouldn't piss on me if I was on fire.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 12, 2021 11:15 AM (kTF2Z)

Same, same.

Posted by: BignJames at September 12, 2021 11:20 AM (AwYPR)

46
it is ok, this mutha fukka is going to blow wide open and those little shits from Harvard, Yale and Princeton, if they survive, will be our little bitches shoveling the pig poop

Posted by: will choose a nic later at September 12, 2021 11:20 AM (bTQ72)

47 For 8 years I defended W when he wouldn't defend himself. Come to find out, he wouldn't piss on me if I was on fire.

He pissed on us yesterday. We're "the problem".

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 12, 2021 11:21 AM (Xrfse)

48 Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 12, 2021 11:15 AM (Xrfse)

FWP thread is later.

Posted by: flounder at September 12, 2021 11:21 AM (KnJdm)

49 No fkin way was GB doing the opposite of Trump with good people on both sides, it had to be a all in on Jan 6 rally goers are Insurrectionists

Posted by: Skip at September 12, 2021 11:21 AM (2JoB8)

50 Has there ever been a survey/study of the % of agency heads/cabinet members who hold ivy league degrees?
Posted by: BignJames at September 12, 2021 11:03 AM (AwYPR)


THIS! The ivy league is the epicenter of the rot. See also: Supreme Court.

Posted by: G. Gnome will not comply at September 12, 2021 11:21 AM (OQcPl)

51 But much of what he and many others at the top based themselves on was taken from really bad intelligence data.
Posted by: Biden's Dog at September 12, 2021 11:15 AM (XOHmk)

Yup....and those "intelligence" folks should have been fired. Instead no one is held accountable anymore, paychecks continue to roll, pensions are given, books and blue panels blah, blah, blah.

Stalin would have had them all shot.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 12, 2021 11:21 AM (R/m4+)

52
According to reports he was an absolute shark at poker by getting his opponents to underestimate him. Looks like We The People were the mark in a rigged game after all.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at September 12, 2021 11:17 AM (1lKRm)


Those with dumbface are the hardest to read. It's what made Eli Manning the luckiest quarterback ever.

Posted by: Sponge - Michael Byrd MURDERED Ashli Babbitt at September 12, 2021 11:21 AM (Zz0t1)

53 All the presidents responsible were there at Ground Zero yesterday for their photo op. Trump visited cops and firemen.

Posted by: JuJuBee at September 12, 2021 11:09 AM (UsshY)

The difference is so very very clear. Trump is a man...the others are apparatchiks.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 12, 2021 11:22 AM (Q9lwr)

54 Supporting and defending George W. Bush is one of my greatest regrets.

Posted by: IrishEi at September 12, 2021 11:22 AM (+ZGEx)

55 Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 12, 2021 11:15 AM (kTF2Z)

Yeah, that hurts a lot. I was okay(ish) with him staying quite under OweB+owMao as it could be taken as showing decorum. When he had no problem sniping Trump I had to face that he'd been silent because he agreed with O.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at September 12, 2021 11:22 AM (1lKRm)

56 I'm not sure why people seem shocked at Bush's remarks about domestic terrorism. He is a Government worshiping politico, who , I believe, likes the USA and our way of life, but has these grandiose ambitions that he can export that to other places, including those unwilling at this point in time to accept it. After all, places like Afghanistan, Iraq, etc. just needed the right kind of government according to his philosphy.

He loves government, which is not surprising since his dad and family were government politicians almost their entire lives. So anyone who argues with government, is going to be labeled a subversive. Trump was such an outlier for him, in that Trump was NOT in government, so therefore he was illegitimate. So anyone who supports him is also illegitimate as they don't understand that they should worship government, hence are a danger.

Posted by: Jen the original at September 12, 2021 11:22 AM (7gMjc)

57 JEB!$$$ burned through about $150 Mil and got 3 whole delegates.


HA!

Posted by: rhennigantx at September 12, 2021 11:22 AM (yrol0)

58 FWP thread is later.

Yes. I pulled the trigger too soon.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 12, 2021 11:22 AM (Xrfse)

59 Has there ever been a survey/study of the % of agency heads/cabinet members who hold ivy league degrees?

I still think you could fix most of what's wrong with the federal government if we made ivy league graduates ineligible for government employment.

Posted by: Methos at September 12, 2021 11:22 AM (kOpft)

60 Bidens get of my fucking lawn thingy yesterday was great.

Posted by: rhennigantx at September 12, 2021 11:23 AM (yrol0)

61 Mr Bush, the peasants are revolting!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 12, 2021 11:23 AM (kTF2Z)

62 JEB!$$$ burned through about $150 Mil and got 3 whole delegates.
HA!
Posted by: rhennigantx at September 12, 2021 11:22 AM (yrol0)

Please clap!

Posted by: Jeb!, An Inbred Tool at September 12, 2021 11:23 AM (R/m4+)

63 We live in a profoundly unserious, irrational, and ill-educated nation and a culture driven by selfish self interest and hedonism. Is it really a shock that our leaders are cut from the same cloth?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 12, 2021 11:23 AM (KZzsI)

64 Supporting and defending George W. Bush is one of my greatest regrets.
Posted by: IrishEi at September 12, 2021 11:22 AM (+ZGEx)



Alas.....sad but true. For several of us.

Posted by: Sponge - Michael Byrd MURDERED Ashli Babbitt at September 12, 2021 11:23 AM (Zz0t1)

65 I still think you could fix most of what's wrong with the federal government if we made ivy league graduates ineligible for government employment.
Posted by: Methos at September 12, 2021 11:22 AM (kOpft)

Once, maybe. But the Ivy League mentality has spread too far and wide now.

Posted by: Ordinary American at September 12, 2021 11:23 AM (w+J5+)

66 Supporting and defending George W. Bush is one of my greatest regrets.

Posted by: IrishEi at September 12, 2021 11:22 AM (+ZGEx)

This. And also one particular gal I dated for way too long before Heidi. Ugh.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 12, 2021 11:24 AM (RoIW/)

67 Mr Bush, the peasants are revolting!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 12, 2021 11:23 AM (kTF2Z)

They stink on ice!

Posted by: W at September 12, 2021 11:24 AM (KnJdm)

68 Suffice to say: President Trump was the BEST President of my life time. Pussy grabbing and sometimes poor staff selections, he still did what was right usually. Promises made, Promises Kept. Bush and all the others can go and fuck themselves.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 12, 2021 11:24 AM (Irn0L)

69 Even if it were true, a 9/11 commemoration is not the place to label half the country terrorists.

Trump never did anything that crass.

Posted by: zmdavid at September 12, 2021 11:24 AM (xqRaG)

70 Oh...I wrote this as a reformed supporter of Bush's early policies. But unlike the Ivy League geniuses in charge, I reevaluated my opinions and found them lacking.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 12, 2021 11:24 AM (Q9lwr)

71 Even if it were true, a 9/11 commemoration is not the place to label half the country terrorists.

Trump never did anything that crass.

Posted by: zmdavid at September 12, 2021 11:24 AM (xqRaG)

But his tweets!

Posted by: W at September 12, 2021 11:25 AM (KnJdm)

72 There is a lot of money to be made in doing the wrong thing.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 12, 2021 11:25 AM (63Dwl)

73 For four generations now, the culture has focused on and fought to reject absolute truth, absolute goodness, absolute beauty, and reason. And the end result of that is not creativity and freedom, but lies, evil, ugliness, and emotionalism.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 12, 2021 11:25 AM (KZzsI)

74 I will never "agree" with the dems on anything. They hate America and put a senile fool in The White House. Bush is a fucking idiot all on his own. Does not need any support from the dems to know that

Posted by: Nevergiveup

THIS

Posted by: Crom's Tankard at September 12, 2021 11:25 AM (Op/SH)

75 The uniparty has gotten obscenely wealthy looting our taxes: The right twix on military adventure kickbacks, the left twix on foreign aid kickbacks.

Posted by: Lrrr at September 12, 2021 11:11 AM (jIL4c)


This. They spend and spend because that's how they line their own pockets. The grift must flow.

Posted by: Jordan61, Runner's Island Ambassadrex at September 12, 2021 11:25 AM (hP4QN)

76 The whole bush mafia family did everything in their power to undermine President Trump. A pox on the bush family for ever and ever

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 12, 2021 11:25 AM (Irn0L)

77 Trump never did anything that crass.
Posted by: zmdavid at September 12, 2021 11:24 AM (xqRaG)

The irony is, they think they're the paragons of civility and Trump is the vulgarian party crasher.

Posted by: Ordinary American at September 12, 2021 11:26 AM (w+J5+)

78 There is a lot of money to be made in doing the wrong thing.

Follow the money. A universal truism.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 12, 2021 11:26 AM (Xrfse)

79 Bush is what the snide lefties the white-shoe magazines said he was:

A silver-spooned coke-head slapped-to-attention jackass.

It's a big club and you ain't invited.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 12, 2021 11:26 AM (1t5dY)

80
What would happen today if New York City or other large metropolitan area was attacked again and 3000 died? Would we again come together as a nation in the wake of such an event? My guess? No.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 12, 2021 11:26 AM (/U27+)

81 Anyone who undermined President Bush Trump without giving due consideration to the alternative and the outcome of undermining him, should drop dead after suffering greatly.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 12, 2021 11:27 AM (Irn0L)

82 Bush, less impressive by the minute

Shut up and sit down

Posted by: Zeera Hunkering down here, Boss at September 12, 2021 11:27 AM (5NC6n)

83 Bush, Obama, Biden and Bloomberg at the memorial site with a ring of security around them, while at the same time Trump is midtown surrounded by cops and firefighters says quite a lot.

Posted by: occam's brassiere at September 12, 2021 11:28 AM (EWxxC)

84 My guess? No.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 12, 2021 11:26 AM (/U27+)

I agree

Posted by: It's me donna at September 12, 2021 11:28 AM (L91xj)

85 What would happen today if New York City or other large metropolitan area was attacked again and 3000 died? Would we again come together as a nation in the wake of such an event? My guess? No.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 12, 2021 11:26 AM (/U27+)

No. It would be seen as another crisis-equals-opportunity palooza.

Posted by: Ordinary American at September 12, 2021 11:28 AM (w+J5+)

86 The Bushes are great friends with the Clinton's and Obama's.

That pretty much says it all right there. It's a club and we ain't in it.

Posted by: JuJuBee at September 12, 2021 11:28 AM (UsshY)

87 Every time the elites fail, they take it out on the citizens of the US.

Massive IC failure? Lets install pervasive security state.
Nation building fails? Let's import hundreds of thousands of incompatible foreigners.
Fail to follow tips about a suspected mass shooting? Let's encroach on 2nd amendment rights.

And on and on.

Or alternatively...

If the IC were more curious about muslims getting strange flight lessons, the last 20 years is very different.

The failures are intentional not accidental.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 12, 2021 11:29 AM (bnkLv)

88 Not a single person was fired for 9/11.

Pretty amazing huh?

And no one will be fired for Biden arming the Taliban either.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 12, 2021 11:29 AM (DpkTQ)

89 Anyone who undermined President Bush without giving due consideration to the alternative and the outcome of undermining him, should drop dead after suffering greatly.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 12, 2021 11:27 AM (Irn0L)

Ugh I mean President Trump. I got sdo much hate for bush I fucked that one up

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 12, 2021 11:29 AM (Irn0L)

90 This may be redundant, but here's Dave Reaboi's piece on 9/11 and it's revisionists:
https://tinyurl.com/9akffxbs

Posted by: CN at September 12, 2021 11:29 AM (ONvIw)

91 What would happen today if New York City or other large metropolitan area was attacked again and 3000 died? Would we again come together as a nation in the wake of such an event? My guess? No.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh


Why would we?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 12, 2021 11:30 AM (1t5dY)

92 Anyone who undermined President Bush without giving due consideration to the alternative and the outcome of undermining him, should drop dead after suffering greatly.

Yes. Yes indeed. Its easy now to point at him and attack him for his failings - which are many - or become frustrated and enraged at his behavior now. He justly deserves our contempt for how he's acting now.

But consider what we would have had with, say Algore in office instead.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 12, 2021 11:30 AM (KZzsI)

93 Kerry though would have put us where we are today under Jello Brains but 20 years sooner.

Posted by: Skip at September 12, 2021 11:30 AM (2JoB8)

94 Ugh I mean President Trump. I got sdo much hate for bush I fucked that one up
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 12, 2021 11:29 AM (Irn0L)

I figured that.

Posted by: Ordinary American at September 12, 2021 11:30 AM (w+J5+)

95
Would Gore have done any better? No, he would have botched it as well, but differently.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 12, 2021 11:30 AM (/U27+)

96 7 For 8 years I defended W when he wouldn't defend himself. Come to find out, he wouldn't piss on me if I was on fire.

He pissed on us yesterday. We're "the problem".
Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 12, 2021 11:21 AM (Xrfse)


Yesterday? He pissed on us right after 9/11 when he warned us about taking out our revenge on islam. That islam is a religion of peace. He had no qualms about calling out the Christian community for it's so-called tendencies toward indiscriminate violence.

Posted by: Justsayin' at September 12, 2021 11:30 AM (Fs5vw)

97 The irony is, they think they're the paragons of civility and Trump is the vulgarian party crasher.
Posted by: Ordinary American at September 12, 2021 11:26 AM (w+J5+)
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That's because Trump insults them, the elites, while they only insult the common folk who aren't really people.

Posted by: zmdavid at September 12, 2021 11:30 AM (xqRaG)

98
I quit the republicans in 2006 over amnesty

that was 15 years ago ....

Posted by: will choose a nic later at September 12, 2021 11:30 AM (bTQ72)

99 Posted by: Jen the original at September 12, 2021 11:22 AM (7gMjc)

That sounds about right and meshes with my impression that Bush liked the "ideal" of America, but didn't much like Americans, while Trump genuinely liked Americans (those who did their best to live the ideal) even though they fell short.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at September 12, 2021 11:31 AM (1lKRm)

100 What would happen today if New York City or other large metropolitan area was attacked again and 3000 died? Would we again come together as a nation in the wake of such an event? My guess? No.

If Al Qaeda were to attack today centers of corporate America and deep state power like the Pentagon and Congress, I'd have a hard time feeling offended.

Posted by: Methos at September 12, 2021 11:31 AM (kOpft)

101 Why would anyone still watch the news?

Posted by: Just Wondering at September 12, 2021 11:31 AM (jYQlA)

102 One wonders if it would have happened if Gore was POTUS...just spitballin'

Posted by: occam's brassiere at September 12, 2021 11:31 AM (EWxxC)

103 Was it the Ho who said in her "speech" that we are Islamophobic and Muslims were attacked in this Country? I know one of them said it yesterday

Posted by: It's me donna at September 12, 2021 11:31 AM (L91xj)

104 Supported Bush x 2, McCain and Romney.

I don't deserve the privilege of voting.

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 12, 2021 11:31 AM (U2p+3)

105 Ugh I mean President Trump. I got sdo much hate for bush I fucked that one up
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 12, 2021 11:29 AM (Irn0L)

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For a second there I thought you were inhaling your own nitrous.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 12, 2021 11:31 AM (kTF2Z)

106 unworthy ruling class
Posted by: Ordinary American
Yup. Great assessment.

Posted by: MikeM at September 12, 2021 11:32 AM (6WyvU)

107
One wonders if it would have happened if Gore was POTUS...just spitballin'
Posted by: occam's brassiere at September 12, 2021 11:31 AM (EWxxC)

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Like I said, screwed up differently.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 12, 2021 11:32 AM (/U27+)

108 George W. Bush is a f*kcing disgrace.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at September 12, 2021 11:32 AM (Bmy3R)

109 I am hating on bush while on a conference telecon. LOL. I gotta make sure I don't type the wrong thing on the wrong telecon.

Sigh gonna be a long day

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 12, 2021 11:32 AM (Irn0L)

110 If you look at the government as a crime syndicate, probably the largest on the planet, you're bound to uncover some pretty stupid criminals every so often. But they're still criminals and hate it when their corruption is uncovered by the unwashed masses. During the Trump years it became apparent to anyone who was paying attention just how corrupt and in many cases, stupid our elected betters are.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 12, 2021 11:32 AM (BFigT)

111 Say what you want about GW, he is not an idiot. I think he even made it through flight school. Yeah, maybe he had someone pull a few strings to get in the Air Guard. That ain't the point.

The problems we face are much worse, the leadership either refuse or are prevented from doing those things that need to be done. This is why we get all the "manage the decline" and authentic frontier gibberish, it's all distraction and misdirection.

9/11/2001 did not have to happen, but the "elites" wanted those things to happen. There is no other explanation. Too many pussies in charge, too many corrupt people in charge. The outright idiots and cretins have their exemplars too, in the guise of (largely) Democrats.

Posted by: Common Tater at September 12, 2021 11:32 AM (AIG0e)

112 people who would be supporters of the Bush family are still in control of the Republican Party.

there is no lesser of two evils, the GOP is just as much the enemy as the Dems.

so where to go?

the Libertarian Party?

not with Nick Gillespie and that whole bunch at Reason Mag being the face of the party, no way.

I don't know, I don't have any answers, but I do know that continuing to support the GOP is stupid.

Posted by: Shoey77 at September 12, 2021 11:32 AM (fcWVN)

113 Ok, 2 George Bushes were disasters, but 3rd times the charm!

Posted by: George P Bush and your GoPe leaders at September 12, 2021 11:32 AM (Ojki1)

114 @95

>>Would Gore have done any better?

Hindsight is 20-20, but If Gore were President we do not go into Iraq, we don't invade Afghanistan.

We would have gotten airstrikes and No-Fly Zone's on steroids.

But who knows, Gore wasn't elected and the last 20 disasterous years happened.

So there's that.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 12, 2021 11:33 AM (bnkLv)

115 Ugh I mean President Trump. I got sdo much hate for bush I fucked that one up
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 12, 2021 11:29 AM (Irn0L)

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For a second there I thought you were inhaling your own nitrous.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 12, 2021 11:31 AM (kTF2Z)

No nitrous at home, only vodka, gin, scotch and burbon

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 12, 2021 11:33 AM (Irn0L)

116 Michelle honey, can you pass me another cough drop? Thanks sweetie.

Posted by: Dubya sittin' in the pew at September 12, 2021 11:34 AM (UsshY)

117 Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 12, 2021 11:29 AM (Irn0L)

Fixed...but you owe me a beer.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 12, 2021 11:34 AM (Q9lwr)

118 Buck = elite ( Buck like the nurse in Kill Bill )

Girl in coma = America

The dead john = 1/2 the World.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at September 12, 2021 11:34 AM (obcVG)

119 One wonders if it would have happened if Gore was POTUS...just spitballin'
Posted by: occam's brassiere at September 12, 2021 11:31 AM (EWxxC)

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It's a uniparty and the deep state is in control.

Gore would have been worse.

Pick one.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 12, 2021 11:34 AM (kTF2Z)

120 Would we have been better off if Gore had managed to steal election 2000? An interesting question.

Bush intentionally headed off discussions of blame for 9/11 - that would have fingered Clinton and perhaps gotten people like Gorelick in trouble.

Gore had said at one point he wanted to just send commandos into 'Stan to get Osama. This would have failed...but an open failure like this might have gotten him impeached...hard to say as the Republicans were early in their controlled opposition phase under Hastert and the rest of congress might have revolted successfully.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 12, 2021 11:35 AM (DpkTQ)

121 @101...For better or worse, my parents made us watch the news. McNeil/Lehrer mainly. Duty as citizens. Today, with my own kids, I'd rather they play video games.

Posted by: occam's brassiere at September 12, 2021 11:35 AM (EWxxC)

122 21 Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 12, 2021 11:11 AM (Irn0L)

It is nice that we roast our GOP idiots I suppose, has anyone here EVER heard a democrat voter admit 9/11 was Clinton and by extension their fault?

Posted by: sven at September 12, 2021 11:35 AM (Lzpvj)

123 *peeks in*

Yeah no

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 12, 2021 11:35 AM (zXz25)

124 Fixed...but you owe me a beer.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 12, 2021 11:34 AM (Q9lwr)

Deal LOL. Thanks

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 12, 2021 11:35 AM (Irn0L)

125 The Libertarians are a worthless puddle of pointlessness.

To paraphrase Martin Landau as Bela Lugosi in Ed Wood: "I have no (political) home!"

Posted by: Guy Smiley at September 12, 2021 11:35 AM (Bmy3R)

126 All the presidents responsible were there at Ground Zero yesterday for their photo op. Trump visited cops and firemen.

And of them all, wasn't Trump the only one actually in New York on 9/11 2001?

Posted by: Dr. Mabusette, just to clarify things at September 12, 2021 11:35 AM (iGurG)

127 I mean President Trump. I got sdo much hate for bush I fucked that one up

But its true for him as well. We had two choices in 2000: Al Gore and George Bush. We picked the less stinky turd, and got less of a stink.

It is super popular now to for some demented, infantile reason, to now go along with Ted Rall, Michael Moore, and Ward Churchill about Bush, 9/11, and the war. They were wrong then, evilly wrong, and they are wrong now. The truth does not change because some politician pisses us off.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 12, 2021 11:36 AM (KZzsI)

128 Dems are now making Kill Biden.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at September 12, 2021 11:37 AM (obcVG)

129 I understand from a link at Insty's last week that ironically enough Holmes' "Three generations of idiots is enough" remark was about okaying sterilizing imbeciles, etc. in [thank you, DDG] the Buck vs Bell Supreme Court case and that's the SCOTUS case the pro-vaxx psychos are using to justify forced vaccinations on everyone and extending it to kids.

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at September 12, 2021 11:37 AM (UHVv4)

130 Ah had nothin' to do with any of this!

Posted by: Bubba Clintoon at September 12, 2021 11:37 AM (Xrfse)

131 100 Posted by: Methos at September 12, 2021 11:31 AM (kOpft)

The proper formulation is "what did NYC or whomever do to deserve this?"

Posted by: sven at September 12, 2021 11:37 AM (Lzpvj)

132 Say what you want about GW, he is not an idiot.

He's not stupid, he's annoying. He's a blue blood fool, but not an idiot. And he was the right man at the right time, who then went on to make some bad choices but not as bad as people here are now claiming.

I can't wait 20 years from now for everyone to be talking about how horrible Trump was (eyes rolling so hard they look like a slot machine).

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 12, 2021 11:38 AM (KZzsI)

133 "That they didn't observe the results of their plans and correct accordingly is a sign of many things, but intelligence isn't one of them."

Understand that they have a worldview (a religion called Progressivism) that blinds them to significant factors in their failure. It refuses to accept sinful human nature as uncorrectable. It refuses to see things like NOT every human sees 'freedom' as the most important thing. Heck, it doesn't even define freedom well. They will - unless converted - NEVER see what they did wrong as *wrong*, merely as something that wasn't done well _enough_.

Posted by: GWB at September 12, 2021 11:38 AM (8YyYb)

134 We should have never tried to Nation Build... Once we got Saddam Hussein we should have packed up and left... A symbolic victory.. In hindsight we should not have gone into Iraq at all...

Posted by: It's me donna at September 12, 2021 11:38 AM (L91xj)

135 127 Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 12, 2021 11:36 AM (KZzsI)

The left wins come hell or high water whenever possible because the media and their electorate NEVER hold them to account.

I am tired of losing.

Posted by: sven at September 12, 2021 11:38 AM (Lzpvj)

136 91 What would happen today if New York City or other large metropolitan area was attacked again and 3000 died? Would we again come together as a nation in the wake of such an event? My guess? No.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh


"America coming together" is another myth that I abhor. It was only a week or so later that leftist anti-war demonstrations started in NYC. And that's when the media started their division tactics against the administration.

And Bush tried to appease everyone instead of doing the right thing.

Posted by: Justsayin' at September 12, 2021 11:39 AM (Fs5vw)

137 Yeah Bush was better than Gore like a kick in the shin is better than a kick in the nuts

Posted by: f'd at September 12, 2021 11:39 AM (Tnijr)

138 https://tinyurl.com/4wtjtmv4


This may have already been posted from cspan.

While Bushie was dissing half the Country and Bidet was yelling at clouds, This is Trump visiting NYPD and FDNY.

Posted by: Infidel at September 12, 2021 11:39 AM (Kx3kq)

139 136 Posted by: Justsayin' at September 12, 2021 11:39 AM (Fs5vw)

Bush's silence on idiocy by the left basically gave the illusion of credibility to them.

If he is not a democrat he is donkey curious.

Posted by: sven at September 12, 2021 11:40 AM (Lzpvj)

140 #121 I'm so old I remember Huntley & Brinkley.

Good night, Chet.

Good night David, and good night from NBC News.

Posted by: JuJuBee at September 12, 2021 11:40 AM (UsshY)

141 The first two years or so of the response made sense, but then they got high on their own fumes and decided that nation building is a great idea because surely the locals are secretly a bunch of snotty Ivy Leaguers just like them. Huge mistake.

Posted by: CppThis at September 12, 2021 11:40 AM (UewuT)

142 who then went on to make some bad choices but not as bad as people here are now claiming.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 12, 2021 11:38 AM (KZzsI)


Maybe not. But nation-building will NEVER be a good idea. And placing Colin Powell as SecState will NEVER be considered wise. ("We broke it, we bought it" is absolutely the bum-farkingest, most inbred, idiotic policy of going to war, EVER in the history of the planet.)

Posted by: GWB at September 12, 2021 11:41 AM (8YyYb)

143 This quote from Matt Boose in Morning Report some weeks ago has stayed with me.

"America today has the most unworthy ruling class in the history of the human race. It is a crime against good taste and civilization that people so stupid and imperious, so childish, unimpressive, and fraudulent, are giving marching orders."
Posted by: Ordinary American at September 12, 2021 11:12 AM (w+J5+)

Thx for posting that. I somehow missed that unfortunately true remark.

Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at September 12, 2021 11:41 AM (Hh3y4)

144 "America coming together" is another myth that I abhor

Yup... It didn't take long at all to start the attack against W.I remember them going after him for continuing to read the book to the kids when he was informed of the attack, and being put in a plane and not going to DC immediately


Posted by: It's me donna at September 12, 2021 11:41 AM (L91xj)

145 142 Posted by: GWB at September 12, 2021 11:41 AM (8YyYb)

I was not pissed off at Colon Bowell until he gave Urkle a pass for "breaking Syria."

Posted by: sven at September 12, 2021 11:42 AM (Lzpvj)

146 Posted by: CppThis at September 12, 2021 11:40 AM (UewuT)


That's the Progressive worldview kicking in. And the Powell Doctrine (which was progressivism on meth).

Posted by: GWB at September 12, 2021 11:42 AM (8YyYb)

147 The Patriot Act was the beginning of our current dystopian nightmare.

The left was right in opposing it, but for the wrong reasons.

20 years later, they've coopted it, proving that the Deep State was in all along and it was the LIV lefty useful idiots who opposed it for the wrong reasons.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at September 12, 2021 11:42 AM (Bmy3R)

148 With Gore it wouldn't be Vax denying it would be Global warming denying.

Posted by: Skip at September 12, 2021 11:43 AM (2JoB8)

149 Kennedy, Daley, Bush, Clinton, Cheney, Cuomo...

Are there any political dynasties worth a bucket of warm spit?

Posted by: Just Wondering at September 12, 2021 11:43 AM (jYQlA)

150 " What would happen today if New York City or other large metropolitan area was attacked again and 3000 died? Would we again come together as a nation in the wake of such an event? My guess? No.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh "


My guess is your guess is correct.

Posted by: f'd at September 12, 2021 11:43 AM (Tnijr)

151 Maybe Adams?

Posted by: Just Wondering at September 12, 2021 11:43 AM (jYQlA)

152 Messianic ideology may have had something to do with the nation building projects in Iraq and Afghanistan. But so did money. A lot of rich guys who contribute to both parties made a lot of money "supporting" and "enabling" the effort the last twenty years.

Posted by: occam's brassiere at September 12, 2021 11:44 AM (EWxxC)

153 What would happen today if New York City or other large metropolitan area was attacked again and 3000 died?"

They'd blame Trump. And the unvaxxed.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at September 12, 2021 11:44 AM (Bmy3R)

154 What would happen today if New York City or other large metropolitan area was attacked again and 3000 died? Would we again come together as a nation in the wake of such an event? My guess? No.
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I'd fucking applaud.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at September 12, 2021 11:45 AM (nClq1)

155 when it happened, shoulda flatten Mecca

the only thing they understand

Posted by: REDACTED at September 12, 2021 11:45 AM (uCLWI)

156 Didn't we go into Iraq based on Russian intelligence? Putin played Bush like a Stradivarius. He told Saddam to resist, he told Bush to attack, then he blocked us at the UN.

Posted by: zmdavid at September 12, 2021 11:45 AM (xqRaG)

157 I just saw a clip of Biden where he said he wants to box Trump, and that Robert E Lee could defeat the Taliban. He's done. Bring on Kum-a-lot.

Posted by: Ian S. at September 12, 2021 11:46 AM (6XLoz)

158 Pearl started a War

9-11 started a bug hunt

Posted by: REDACTED at September 12, 2021 11:46 AM (uCLWI)

159 There are a lot of "smart" people who otherwise lack a shred of common sense.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 12, 2021 11:46 AM (BFigT)

160 You don't mix anything with 9-11.

Nothing.

And Bush went there.

Posted by: I mean at September 12, 2021 11:47 AM (DA1D1)

161 Would Gore have done any better?


==

He would have done what Clinton did after AQ 's (simultaneous) bombings of US embassies in Tanzania and Kenya, and attack on a US military ship; what Bidet did after f'ing Taliban killed 13 US servicemen basically almost yesterday. Made friends with them.

Posted by: runner at September 12, 2021 11:47 AM (V13WU)

162 What pisses me off is that the Islamists saw this coming more clearly than anyone, at least than I can recall. Some asshat MB leader said several years ago that America was splitting apart. All the forces of evil had to do was stay in the fight and be patient. He was correct, shockingly.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 12, 2021 11:48 AM (jkG9/)

163 Supported Bush x 2, McCain and Romney.

I don't deserve the privilege of voting.
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 12, 2021 11:31 AM (U2p+3)


It's not your fault for being handed two sacks of shit to choose from.

Posted by: Sponge - Michael Byrd MURDERED Ashli Babbitt at September 12, 2021 11:48 AM (Zz0t1)

164 In hindsight we should not have gone into Iraq at all...
Posted by: It's me donna at September 12, 2021 11:38 AM (L91xj)

I disagree with this one. We should have, because we needed to finish Gulf War 1. We should have defeated them just as we did, then put in power a dictator amenable to us, and moved on.

My personal opinion (expressed in the days after 9/11 when we pinned the blame on Osama and Afghanistan) was we should have invaded and destroyed Iraq, then hung a right to go through Iran to Afghanistan - and warned Iran that we're more than willing to take a detour if they mess with us at all - then through Afghanistan and into Pakistan, and destroyed all of them. Then have a party in Kashmir and come home.

Posted by: GWB at September 12, 2021 11:49 AM (8YyYb)

165 In hindsight we should not have gone into Iraq at all...
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We were going into Iraq at some point. We spent a decade with tens of thousands of troops in the region to maintain the no fly zones and the murderous sanctions. Better to remove saddam than to try and keep it up for another twenty years until he dies and either one of his psychopathic sons takes over, or the whole country implodes into a civil war that drags the whole region into it.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at September 12, 2021 11:49 AM (nClq1)

166 Right after the 9/11 attacks when it came out they were directly caused by decisions Clinton made the left demanded unity.

In the run up to the 2002 election they claimed to be more into fighting Islam then the Republicans were expecting to win big on social issues. Most major Dems came out in favor of the coming Iraq war. They lost the election.

So in 2004 they bounced between "we will fight the war better" and "we will cut and run". They ended up with the latter. At no point did what was the better choice enter into the equation.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 12, 2021 11:49 AM (DpkTQ)

167 What would happen today if New York City or other large metropolitan area was attacked again and 3000 died? Would we again come together as a nation in the wake of such an event? My guess? No.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh "


My guess is your guess is correct.
Posted by: f'd at September 12, 2021 11:43 AM (Tnijr)


You mean like if someone created a disease that spreads quickly and we're force to believe the elites that it is really bad and how we're all in this together?
Ummm...No.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 12, 2021 11:49 AM (axyOa)

168 Karl Rove said the strategy not to respond to the left's ridicule and hatred towards W was because they felt it was beneath them to stoop to the democrats' level.

A lot of that going around in the GOP.

Rove admitted later it was a mistaken strategy. Ya think?

Posted by: JuJuBee at September 12, 2021 11:50 AM (UsshY)

169
I'm so old I remember Huntley & Brinkley.

We were a Huntley & Brinkley family as opposed to a Walter Cronkite family.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 12, 2021 11:50 AM (63Dwl)

170 If he is not a democrat he is donkey curious.
Posted by: sven at September 12, 2021 11:40 AM (Lzpvj)


Like so many of the GOPe, he is a Progressive. What made him (and them) "conservative" for many years was they wanted the progressivism done more efficiently with lower taxes.

Posted by: GWB at September 12, 2021 11:50 AM (8YyYb)

171 There are a lot of "smart" people who otherwise lack a shred of common sense.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 12, 2021 11:46 AM (BFigT)

I think that is the difference between technical knowledge and wisdom. It really does appear to me (IMHO) that the so-called elites do not have an utter slice of wisdom in their whole being.

Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at September 12, 2021 11:51 AM (Hh3y4)

172 about a month after 9-11, I did a show in Houston

when I ask my part-time worker, an older well to do lady, what she thought about 9-11 she said

"Oh, that's too far away"

a sentiment I heard a lot

Posted by: REDACTED at September 12, 2021 11:51 AM (uCLWI)

173 And we're forgetting one of the biggest factors in the poor response and follow through after 9/11 and that's our membership and misplaced homage to the United Nations.

Posted by: Justsayin' at September 12, 2021 11:51 AM (Fs5vw)

174 Rove is a liar. His strategy is never not to respond. He is a master of the art of personal destruction.

Posted by: runner at September 12, 2021 11:51 AM (V13WU)

175 Fool me once, shame on you.

Fool me twice, well, we won't get fooled again.

Posted by: Sponge - Michael Byrd MURDERED Ashli Babbitt at September 12, 2021 11:51 AM (Zz0t1)

176 I don't remember any consequences for the criminals that bombed the World Trade Center the first time.

Posted by: Infidel at September 12, 2021 11:51 AM (Kx3kq)

177 CBS News: Biden's Chaotic Withdrawal In Afghanistan Has 'Embolden Jihadists'

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Ya think?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at September 12, 2021 11:52 AM (d9FiS)

178 Now these elites...Islamists....Marxists share an enemy. Which one?

Yes Beaver...it's the same answer as last week.


Posted by: Humphreyrobot at September 12, 2021 11:52 AM (obcVG)

179 Nation-building was a proven spectacular failure in Afghanistan, and it certainly seems like a majority of the country recognizes that. No doubt, like everything else, it will be forgotten and have to be painfully re-learned again one day. Just like we used to all recognize that socialism/communism were evil and doomed to disastrous failure as well.

Posted by: Mad Max in VA at September 12, 2021 11:52 AM (H/wdc)

180 I'm typing this from my work-from-home office and looking up at my bulletin board, on which is pinned, with an American flag pin, my 9/11 ribbon.

On 9/11, I worked as a customs broker within a US port of entry. You can imagine how "on edge" we were that day, when nobody knew if the attacks were over yet and all essential sites such as ports of entry were considered vulnerable to attack.

A woman who worked at a customs brokerage within the building had some red. white and blue ribbon in her office for some reason, and made up ribbons for everyone, and someone down in US Customs provided a box of flag pins to pin them with. Within hours everyone in the port was spoting one. Looking at it right now and trying to fathom how it's been 20 years.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at September 12, 2021 11:52 AM (Bmy3R)

181 I was one who thought Iraq should never have been invaded.

Posted by: Skip at September 12, 2021 11:52 AM (2JoB8)

182 America today has the most unworthy ruling class in the history of the human race.

Posted by: Ordinary American at September 12, 2021 11:12 AM (w+J5+)


But there's the problem. NOT that they're "unworthy", that they EXIST AT ALL. We are not supposed to HAVE a "ruling class" of any sort, ever, nuh uh, not at all. When we throw them out and start electing Joe the Plumber, we might get back to a free federal republic.

Posted by: GWB at September 12, 2021 11:52 AM (8YyYb)

183
Insulting the 9/11 dead and then using them as props.

Chronic Dumbass Senile Joe never disappoints:

https://tinyurl.com/cpjektnc

Posted by: naturalfake at September 12, 2021 11:52 AM (5NkmN)

184 Didn't we go into Iraq based on Russian intelligence? Putin played Bush like a Stradivarius. He told Saddam to resist, he told Bush to attack, then he blocked us at the UN.
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Saddam was playing a game to try and convince his people that he had WMDs (because it kept them from overthrowing him), while trying to convince the west that he was disarmed. To western intelligence that looks an awful lot like someone who is trying to hide WMDs. He played a stupid game and won a stupid prize.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at September 12, 2021 11:53 AM (nClq1)

185 174 Posted by: runner at September 12, 2021 11:51 AM (V13WU)

Aimed right not left since 2000 old boy.

Posted by: sven at September 12, 2021 11:53 AM (Lzpvj)

186
not with Nick Gillespie and that whole bunch at Reason Mag being the face of the party, no way.

I don't know, I don't have any answers, but I do know that continuing to support the GOP is stupid.
Posted by: Shoey77


The thing is to 'support' the renegades, ne'er do wells, and bomb-throwers on the outside of the GOP. Trump's not the thing it's just that the party needs more sifting and sieving.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 12, 2021 11:53 AM (1t5dY)

187 I was not pissed off at Colon Bowell until he gave Urkle a pass for "breaking Syria."
Posted by: sven at September 12, 2021 11:42 AM (Lzpvj)


I've been pissed at him since the first Gulf War.

Posted by: GWB at September 12, 2021 11:53 AM (8YyYb)

188
Todd Beamer and the others on Flight 77 did more to "defend" America on 9-11 than did the bajillions of dollars spent on defense.

Never forget THAT.

Posted by: Raspail at September 12, 2021 11:54 AM (Men5k)

189
But who knows, Gore wasn't elected and the last 20 disasterous years happened.

So there's that.
Posted by: Thomas Bender


As you know, there is a cliche that Dem presidents tend to become super-hawkish once in power to prove their boner-fighties.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 12, 2021 11:54 AM (1t5dY)

190 165 In hindsight we should not have gone into Iraq at all...
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We were going into Iraq at some point. We spent a decade with tens of thousands of troops in the region to maintain the no fly zones and the murderous sanctions. Better to remove saddam than to try and keep it up for another twenty years until he dies and either one of his psychopathic sons takes over, or the whole country implodes into a civil war that drags the whole region into it.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at September 12, 2021 11:49 AM (nClq1)


Agreed. And let's not forget that the Iraq-Iran-Saudi hate triangle *had* to be defused before a huge chunk of the world's oil supply went up in smoke, thus triggering an apocalyptic resource war.

Both wars were necessary to clean up some unfortunate leftovers from the Cold War. The error was in thinking that they could be passive-aggressively Westernized.

Posted by: CppThis at September 12, 2021 11:55 AM (UewuT)

191 I don't remember any consequences for the criminals that bombed the World Trade Center the first time.

Posted by: Infidel at September 12, 2021 11:51 AM (Kx3kq)

Was the 'Blind Sheik' already in jail?...don't remember.

Posted by: BignJames at September 12, 2021 11:55 AM (AwYPR)

192 I'm too young to remember Huntley-Brinkley, but I remember when Brinkley hosted the This Week. On his last show when he was retiring, he said he couldn't understand journalists who idolized politicians, he disliked all of them based on personal experience.

Posted by: zmdavid at September 12, 2021 11:55 AM (xqRaG)

193 i've since renounced any and all support of dubya. after his speech yesterday and long introspection over the years, i have come realize that the whole debacle of the 20 years war was for naught.
i, and a lot of my friends, spent months and years of our lives in the asshole of the world, and for what? to rid the world of "eveeldooers" and "teerists?" as bush would say.
fuck em all.
i wish we would have at least taken the oil. we didn't even do that.

Posted by: Jack Burton, tired at September 12, 2021 11:56 AM (6mdtd)

194 As you know, there is a cliche that Dem presidents tend to become super-hawkish once in power to prove their boner-fighties.
Posted by: weft cut-loop

Like Carter? Dude was afraid of rabbits.

Posted by: SFGoth at September 12, 2021 11:56 AM (KAi1n)

195 when it happened, shoulda flatten Mecca

Posted by: REDACTED at September 12, 2021 11:45 AM (uCLWI)


Concur that might have been the best option. Maybe if we nuked it you could see the glow from far enough away they wouldn't have to have arrows in their mosques pointing there?

Posted by: GWB at September 12, 2021 11:57 AM (8YyYb)

196 AQ was destroyed. I give you that. It was a serious threat. They operated worldwide, had tons of money. So that did happen. But wars...are too lucrative. And that is what happened with Afghanistan. Stayed too long, not because of threat or some ideals about democracy, but of graft.

Posted by: runner at September 12, 2021 11:57 AM (V13WU)

197 I think Saddam probably did have the goods, but the Republican Guard sent them to Syria at some point during the lengthy buildup to war for later use. IIRC the Assad regime did use some chemical weapons at some point during their civil war, and that stuff would have come from somewhere.

Posted by: CppThis at September 12, 2021 11:57 AM (UewuT)

198 Yeah I think bush is an idiot. If you do not understand that siding with the never trumpers, actually being a charter member, is not aligning yourself 100% with the left and their aims, then yeah you are an idiot. And I don't care what else you did in your career

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 12, 2021 11:57 AM (Irn0L)

199 Career politicians spend their entire adulthood in a different world than normal people. Politicians are so arrogantly blind to making common sense decisions. Clinton, the Bush clan, Obama... none of those people are particularly bright. Neither was Trump if we're being honest. But Trump has common sense and real world experiences that none of our other elected betters had.

When you live your entire life inside a bubble, never facing consequences for your decisions you are not fit to lead a nation.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 12, 2021 11:58 AM (BFigT)

200 I was one who thought Iraq should never have been invaded.
Posted by: Skip at September 12, 2021 11:52 AM (2JoB

I think of Iraq as a police action, rather than an invasion. Would've brought in synagogues, churches, Buddhist temples to change the culture. Withholding that, would've bombed their vital infrastructure and left. Let the resulting chaos finish Saddam.

Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at September 12, 2021 11:58 AM (Hh3y4)

201 Even if it were true, a 9/11 commemoration is not the place to label half the country terrorists.

Trump never did anything that crass.


Actually, the 9/11 celebration is the place to label half the country terrorists. Notice that Our Betters, and a huge swath of residents in this land celebrate our enemies' victories. Alamo, Pearl Harbor, Assassinations dates, 9/11 and now 1/6. Far too many people celebrate the victories of our enemies while tearing down statues of our great leaders and erected temples to our enemies.

There is no better time to lay more hate on America than on a day the Enemy celebrates- and half of America joins in.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at September 12, 2021 11:58 AM (+LCoQ)

202 The Patriot Act was the beginning of our current dystopian nightmare.

Keeping Americans safe by going after patriots.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 12, 2021 12:00 PM (Xrfse)

203 There are a lot of "smart" people who otherwise lack a shred of common sense.
Posted by: Martini Farmer


There's way too much focus on "smartness" in our leaders, as opposed to wisdom or even plain common sense. The Left is particularly prone to this obsession: every one of their leaders is touted as being "the smartest", even nullities like Obama. If they can lay their hands on some IQ test, they wave it around like it's the Shroud of Turin, but even if they can't, they confidently proclaim how smart their guy is, and they really seem to believe it, too.

Maybe it's a result of the over-credentializing of life today. Everyone has to have the piece of paper with the high score, and if you've got that, nothing else is necessary. I'm starting to think that "smartness" maybe isn't the most important qualification for the presidency. Maybe a mind that can weigh good and evil, with a strong mindfulness for what those before us have learned, makes for a better leader.

Posted by: Dr. Mabusette, just to clarify things at September 12, 2021 12:00 PM (iGurG)

204 195 when it happened, shoulda flatten Mecca

Posted by: REDACTED at September 12, 2021 11:45 AM (uCLWI)


Concur that might have been the best option. Maybe if we nuked it you could see the glow from far enough away they wouldn't have to have arrows in their mosques pointing there?
Posted by: GWB at September 12, 2021 11:57 AM (8YyYb)

tell them we're letting them off easy this time

Posted by: REDACTED at September 12, 2021 12:01 PM (uCLWI)

205 Re: Gore vs Bush. Let's not kid ourselves. "More democrats" is always the wrong answer. Full stop.

Posted by: Crom's Tankard at September 12, 2021 12:01 PM (Op/SH)

206 we were right to go kick their asses after 9/11, we were wrong to not just kill them all and then come home.

Posted by: Shoey77 at September 12, 2021 12:01 PM (fcWVN)

207 they felt it was beneath them to stoop to the democrats' level.

Posted by: JuJuBee at September 12, 2021 11:50 AM (UsshY)


This is progressivism. "We have evolved above the lower states of human nature," said with the nose in the air. A total lack of understanding of human nature and the presence of sin.

Posted by: GWB at September 12, 2021 12:01 PM (8YyYb)

208 in hindsight, leaving sadddam in power would have been an excellent check to the iranians. he would have jumped at the chance to bomb their uranium centrifuges.
that alone was probably worth keeping him in power, despite him being an absolute shitstain of a human.
we could have done the job on al qaida in afghanistan, left some sf dudes there and kept b-52s on standby to drop ordnance non stop on the goat fuckers if they got unruly. but noo...lets teach em how to farm wheat and carrots and burn all of their poppy fields and give em democracy cause they want it see?
and thus the road to hell was paved yet again with american soldiers for politicians wet dreams of do-goodin, nobel prizes and the adulation of the american press.

Posted by: Jack Burton, tired at September 12, 2021 12:02 PM (6mdtd)

209 188. Flight 93.

Posted by: Jen the original at September 12, 2021 12:03 PM (vmZpK)

210 What would happen today if New York City or other large metropolitan area was attacked again and 3000 died? Would we again come together as a nation in the wake of such an event? My guess? No.
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I'd fucking applaud.


If it was DC, I would be disappointed it was only 3000.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at September 12, 2021 12:03 PM (+LCoQ)

211 What pisses me off is that the Islamists saw this coming more clearly than anyone, at least than I can recall. Some asshat MB leader said several years ago that America was splitting apart. All the forces of evil had to do was stay in the fight and be patient. He was correct, shockingly.
Posted by: Huck Follywood


The don't understand anything other than the rote lessons people have learned from the past 10 thousand years. Lessons that the post modern Wests exterminated from their textbooks, lessons, and universities.

They ain't smart so much as we overdosed on learn'ed dumb.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 12, 2021 12:03 PM (1t5dY)

212 9/11 should've led to a bunch of CIA and FBI firings of "top" people at the very least.

As well as the bombing and/or assassination of our 'allies' responsible for the planning and funding of 9/11, Saudi Arabia and the Emirates.

Thought question:

Would a oh, let's say, "Week of Rage", where we either nuked or fuel air bombed the living daylights out of Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, the Emirates and completely destroyed anything bigger than an outhouse hut in each of those countries, then leaving with a stern warning, and calling it even -

have led to a better result and better world than the Dystopian Globalist Pile O'Poo which we're currently living in?

I say, there's a good chance it would have.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 12, 2021 12:03 PM (5NkmN)

213 Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rove, et al, are examples of ambitious mediocrities.

Posted by: aelfheld at September 12, 2021 12:03 PM (Zy9Yy)

214 Our intelligence community is trash. Trusting anything they put out is foolish. Meanwhile The Establishment roles on with destroying the country.

Posted by: WiNO at September 12, 2021 12:04 PM (EpDzw)

215 Posted by: Jack Burton, tired at September 12, 2021 12:02 PM (6mdtd)

Unfortunataly, Saddam was to stupid to recognize that, and hated Israel, Jews, Kurds, and the West to much

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 12, 2021 12:04 PM (Irn0L)

216 Who was on Joe's lawn?

Posted by: klaftern at September 12, 2021 12:04 PM (r4sI4)

217 i wish we would have at least taken the oil. we didn't even do that.
Posted by: Jack Burton, tired at September 12, 2021 11:56 AM (6mdtd)

This is the one action that I cannot fathom. Sell enough oil to finance the operation and afterwards hand it off to rational Iraqis to provide for the general welfare of the people (I know, easier said than done).

Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at September 12, 2021 12:05 PM (Hh3y4)

218 206 we were right to go kick their asses after 9/11, we were wrong to not just kill them all and then come home.
Posted by: Shoey77 at September 12, 2021 12:01 PM (fcWVN)

chasing their lame asses around in the desert is like fun for them

you have to destroy thing that don't move

what we do better than anyone

Posted by: REDACTED at September 12, 2021 12:05 PM (uCLWI)

219 Reposting: "End of Innocence" is a new solo album commemorating 9/11 by former YES keyboardist Tony Kaye, and it's pretty damn great. Mr. Kaye was a founding member of YES and did two stints in the band, from 1969-71 and 1983-94. In his long and interesting career, Tony Kaye has toured with David Bowie and also played with Flash, Badger, Detective (who played "Scum of the Earth"s music in the classic WKRP episode), and Badfinger.

Most recently, Kaye has been with YES sister-band CIRCA for a number of years, and made many fine modern prog-rock albums with them, while occasionally joining his former YES-mates in concert for special appearances.

The album is very soundtracky-cinematic, with elements of Prog, classical, jazz and ambient music.

Here is "Hope and Triumph" from End of Innocence:

https://tinyurl.com/4fuwd2nf

Great LP from a cool dude.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at September 12, 2021 12:06 PM (Bmy3R)

220 I think people in general tend to fail at self reflection. It is probably expectable that politicians tend to be extra bad at this. Takes a huge ego to think you can run the country better than the other guys. (well not so huge to think you can do better than the D candidate) but especially in these times huge egos are often perched atop a house of cards and can't allow any thought that might collapse things.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply Irredeemable at September 12, 2021 12:06 PM (pxVvf)

221 i, and a lot of my friends, spent months and years of our lives in the asshole of the world, and for what? to rid the world of "eveeldooers" and "teerists?" as bush would say.

I remember how Bush used to chirp "It's hard work!" when describing the daily grind of those soldiers he'd sent to Iraq. Some very pissed off mother of a soldier was really angry that this privileged dope could compare being blown up by a IED to bricklaying or operating a jackhammer on a hot summer day.

Posted by: Dr. Mabusette, just to clarify things at September 12, 2021 12:06 PM (iGurG)

222 Like Carter? Dude was afraid of rabbits.
Posted by: SFGoth


Carter was elected after a Nixon presidency, one that just pulled out of Vietnam. He was in a box at the time and he did give the green light for Eagle Claw, yes?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 12, 2021 12:07 PM (1t5dY)

223 215 Posted by: Jack Burton, tired at September 12, 2021 12:02 PM (6mdtd)

Unfortunataly, Saddam was to stupid to recognize that, and hated Israel, Jews, Kurds, and the West to much
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 12, 2021 12:04 PM (Irn0L)

then, true. but in today's interconnected world with the interwebs and social media etc? someone in his admin would have recognized it and urged him. don't know, speculating, obviously, but what we have now seems to be...worse.
i couldn't tell you what we are doing in iraq right now. i couldn't have told you what we were still doing in afghanistan before our unceremonious exit.
mission creep...

Posted by: Jack Burton, tired at September 12, 2021 12:07 PM (6mdtd)

224 216 Who was on Joe's lawn?
Posted by: klaftern at September 12, 2021 12:04 PM (r

IKR

what was he yelling at ??

Posted by: REDACTED at September 12, 2021 12:07 PM (uCLWI)

225 If Al Qaeda were to attack today centers of corporate America and deep state power like the Pentagon and Congress, I'd have a hard time feeling offended.
Posted by: Methos at September 12, 2021 11:31 AM (kOpft)

Hell, I probably send them a donation.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 12, 2021 12:07 PM (R/m4+)

226 Congress cannot do anything of substance except spend money. It is all they do.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at September 12, 2021 12:07 PM (SDdx5)

227 chasing their lame asses around in the desert is like fun for them

you have to destroy thing that don't move

what we do better than anyone


So, basically genocide ?

Posted by: Reuben Hick at September 12, 2021 12:07 PM (+LCoQ)

228 213 Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rove, et al, are examples of ambitious mediocrities.
Posted by: aelfheld at September 12, 2021 12:03 PM (Zy9Yy)

no one told me this was Generous Sunday !!

Posted by: REDACTED at September 12, 2021 12:08 PM (uCLWI)

229 then, true. but in today's interconnected world with the interwebs and social media etc? someone in his admin would have recognized it and urged him.

Anyone in saddam's Admin who did that, usually ended up dead along with his whole family.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 12, 2021 12:09 PM (Irn0L)

230 So, basically genocide ?
Posted by: Reuben Hick at September 12, 2021 12:07 PM (+LCoQ)

never met a towelhead named Gene

Posted by: REDACTED at September 12, 2021 12:09 PM (uCLWI)

231 We had a lot of reasons we could have used to justify the war in Iraq. One was he was violating the peace treaty from the Gulf War by shooting at our planes enforcing the no fly zone. The reason we pushed WMD so hard was to get a UN resolution, because Chirac and Putin signaled that they would support it, then they took the opportunity to humiliate us and vote against it.

Posted by: zmdavid at September 12, 2021 12:09 PM (xqRaG)

232 206 we were right to go kick their asses after 9/11, we were wrong to not just kill them all and then come home.
Posted by: Shoey77 at September 12, 2021 12:01 PM (fcWVN)


Agree. Bring this nation's whole arsenal (including nukes) to fight this without stupid ROEs. Kill everyone that got in the way. Lay waste to the countries that sheltered the planners and soldiers of 9/11. Then turn around to the rest of the world and tell them to expect the same thing if they try scheme or shelter schemers that dare to attack this country.

Posted by: Justsayin' at September 12, 2021 12:10 PM (Fs5vw)

233 218 206 we were right to go kick their asses after 9/11, we were wrong to not just kill them all and then come home.
Posted by: Shoey77 at September 12, 2021 12:01 PM (fcWVN)

chasing their lame asses around in the desert is like fun for them

you have to destroy thing that don't move

what we do better than anyone

Posted by: REDACTED at September 12, 2021 12:05 PM (uCLWI)

Where we went wrong was getting enthralled with the lethality of our military during the first Iraq war. We could bomb at will and with precision. We came to believe all wars could be fought this way. Another failure was allowing the MSM to be embedded not only with our troops but also the enemy. This made our military and leaders deathly afraid of civilian casualties. This resulted in very restrictive rules of engagement on our troops - often putting them at great peril. Then our "betters" glommed onto the idea that we could nation-build with our military - a la Europe after WW2.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 12, 2021 12:10 PM (D3cJf)

234 Saw an interview with Condi Rice the other day in which she explained her view of nation building. She disputes that was the Bush administration s goal. Said that you cannot remove a government then leave nothing in its place as the bad actors will certainly come in. And in her view you need to leave a population who sees the benefit of supporting the new government and so you need to help the government win that support by giving the population benefits such as schools or roads or safer food markets they attribute mostly to the government. She denied that you need to build a fully modernized country but one that is better than you found it.

Posted by: Jen the original at September 12, 2021 12:10 PM (vmZpK)

235 Would a oh, let's say, "Week of Rage", where we either nuked or fuel air bombed the living daylights out of Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, the Emirates and completely destroyed anything bigger than an outhouse hut in each of those countries, then leaving with a stern warning, and calling it even...

Oh no, we could never do that! Because if you display anything but stone-faced impassivity, the terrorists have won, remember? How many times did we hear THAT catchphrase being used to zap any coloring outside the lines?

Posted by: Dr. Mabusette, just to clarify things at September 12, 2021 12:10 PM (iGurG)

236 What we should have learned is that there is no such thing as limited war. In Afghanistan it was a tribal war, and fighters could just cross the border into Neighboring countries for safe haven when they were attacked. Ambush and retreat was the battle plan. To defeat them we would have to be able to follow them into their sanctuaries in other countries.

Posted by: Ron at September 12, 2021 12:11 PM (pOrFv)

237 I think it's telling, and tragic elitism, that they ignored the warnings of Rep. Rohrbacher, who was tight with the Northern Alliance for years. When Massoud was assassinated he knew there would be an attack, and so he told the WH.

They didn't listen. They knew best!

Posted by: pj at September 12, 2021 12:11 PM (G1dq6)

238 Was the 'Blind Sheik' already in jail?...don't remember.

Posted by: BignJames at September 12, 2021 11:55 AM (AwYPR)

I believe so. I was listening to the FBI agent who had taunted the sheik after his attack that the towers were still standing. He had just gotten to the sheik's reply "They wouldn't be if we'd been better funded" when the second plane hit the tower. The timing was chilling. Especially since no one knew for sure if it was an accident until then.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at September 12, 2021 12:11 PM (1lKRm)

239 So, basically genocide ?
Posted by: Reuben Hick at September 12, 2021 12:07 PM (+LCoQ)

Since that is what they are planning for you and yours-YES.

Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at September 12, 2021 12:12 PM (Hh3y4)

240 It is my personal belief that George Bush and a lot of others in DC had their hands all in that attack. For years, I would have made fun of you if you had said the same thing that I just did but this video changed my mind. JFK to 911 Everything Is A Rich Man's Trick

Posted by: cheryl at September 12, 2021 12:12 PM (pY98g)

241 231 We had a lot of reasons we could have used to justify the war in Iraq. One was he was violating the peace treaty from the Gulf War by shooting at our planes enforcing the no fly zone. The reason we pushed WMD so hard was to get a UN resolution, because Chirac and Putin signaled that they would support it, then they took the opportunity to humiliate us and vote against it.
Posted by: zmdavid at September 12, 2021 12:09 PM (xqRaG)

i remember those debates at the un and the un ambassador from france was jacquie de villapain. he was very french- a prick, smug, finger wagging and unleashing a torrent of vitriolic speech to the rapt applause of the assembled dictators and fellating press.
and chaves went up and also talked shit about us and bush, saying he smelled sulfur or some such nonsense. anyway, yes, i recall all of the reasons why we got into the war, and they were all and mostly bullshit, as hindsight has clearly shown.
nato should have jumped in on the no fly zone stuff. dunno spitballing.

Posted by: Jack Burton, tired at September 12, 2021 12:12 PM (6mdtd)

242 naturalfake

So agree. Give them a week of hell and get out. And don't wait a month to start bombing to allow them to go hide in the caves.

Posted by: pj at September 12, 2021 12:13 PM (G1dq6)

243 Living in a college town, I am convinced fixing America starts with making the too-comfortable work for a living. Painful taxation of inherited liquid wealth, cash and passive portfolios of stocks and bonds, as distinguished from ownership of family businesses and farmland, or "working assets", etc., is necessary.

Above all, we must end perpetual foundations. The Carnegie Foundation, Ford Foundation etc must die.
University endowments must also go, and making poor schools like Princeton, Yale and Harvard, who today do so much mischief in social engineering, will instead be far more interested in capitalism and individual rights if their massive endowments are taken from them.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 12, 2021 12:14 PM (zvyFq)

244 She denied that you need to build a fully modernized country but one that is better than you found it.
Posted by: Jen the original at September 12, 2021 12:10 PM (vmZpK)

The question then is "Why?". We owed them nothing. If the bad actors took over after we killed all the Baath Party folks and left, good. Let them kill each other.

Iraq was a shithole and always will be a shithole.

You can't polish a turd...

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 12, 2021 12:15 PM (R/m4+)

245 At this point, I think Carter is a much more respectable CIC than Bush, Clinton, W, Hussein, or the current resident.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 12, 2021 12:15 PM (1t5dY)

246 We had a lot of reasons we could have used to justify the war in Iraq. One was he was violating the peace treaty from the Gulf War by shooting at our planes enforcing the no fly zone. The reason we pushed WMD so hard was to get a UN resolution, because Chirac and Putin signaled that they would support it, then they took the opportunity to humiliate us and vote against it.
Posted by: zmdavid at September 12, 2021 12:09 PM (xqRaG)

Didn't Clinton go into Bosnia without U.N. approval? Never read/heard of him getting pushback for that.

Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at September 12, 2021 12:15 PM (Hh3y4)

247 In the wake of WWII, we (the US, England, and France) ran West Germany for 20 years. To this day we still have military bases in their country. And Germany isn't culturally very far away from us. Who expected that we could invade, dominate, and realign a 7th-century hellhole in less than that?

Posted by: normal at September 12, 2021 12:16 PM (obo9H)

248 I'm all for punishing the perps. The problem is who knows exactly who they were?

https://tinyurl.com/p997y3kc

Posted by: WiNO at September 12, 2021 12:16 PM (EpDzw)

249 What we should have learned is that there is no such thing as limited war. In Afghanistan it was a tribal war, and fighters could just cross the border into Neighboring countries for safe haven when they were attacked. Ambush and retreat was the battle plan. To defeat them we would have to be able to follow them into their sanctuaries in other countries.
Posted by: Ron at September 12, 2021 12:11 PM (pOrFv)

this. of course, we knew this when we had the cia operating in the ghan against the commies, arming the mujis with stingers and such. and yet, our betters, or noble and great generals, failed to crack open a book, any book, that had the word, "graveyard" "empires" "afghanistan" and "tribes" in its title.

Posted by: Jack Burton, tired at September 12, 2021 12:16 PM (6mdtd)

250 I've always considered myself a first generation idiot.

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 12:16 PM (MVjcR)

251 Our 'betters' have been the worst kind of people at least since the Kennedy administration, which is at least three generations in everyday human terms, more than that in politics, where things are supposed to turn over more frequently.

Let me paste in something very pertinent that I posted at Quod Verum 3 weeks ago:

30-40 years ago, someone in The American Spectator wrote about the "The Best and the Brightest" of the Kennedy administration. It went something like this:

"It would be an exaggeration to say that 'The Best and the Brightest' were actually The Worst and the Stupidest, but it would be a lot closer to the truth."

Didn't Obama's people claim to be a new "Best and Brightest"? I bet most of Biden's people think they're the Best and the Brightest, despite masses of contrary evidence.

Posted by: Dr. Weevil at September 12, 2021 12:17 PM (xF8ee)

252 Also, 250th!

Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2021 12:17 PM (MVjcR)

253 What we should have learned is that there is no such thing as limited war.

Yep. You destroy the cities, villages, and infrastructure of your enemy.

Killing off a small number of their combatants, while paying them for it, and giving them infrastructure is insane.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 12, 2021 12:18 PM (DpkTQ)

254 227 chasing their lame asses around in the desert is like fun for them

you have to destroy thing that don't move

what we do better than anyone

So, basically genocide ?
Posted by: Reuben Hick at September 12, 2021 12:07 PM (+LCoQ)

no, just the self-avowed and resisters and then we leave.

Posted by: Shoey77 at September 12, 2021 12:18 PM (fcWVN)

255 I see no sunlight between the Bushes and the Clintons. A decent country would have known what to do with the lampposts.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at September 12, 2021 12:20 PM (G6DU0)

256 My biggest knock on Dubya and his admin is they didn't have to be geniuses to know that the Ds would undermine everything as soon as they had any control of congress or the admin. Vietnam was not that far back in 2001. Only an idiot would expect they had more than 8 years tops to wind up whatever actions they started.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply Irredeemable at September 12, 2021 12:20 PM (pxVvf)

257 142 who then went on to make some bad choices but not as bad as people here are now claiming.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 12, 2021 11:38 AM (KZzsI)


Maybe not. But nation-building will NEVER be a good idea. And placing Colin Powell as SecState will NEVER be considered wise. ("We broke it, we bought it" is absolutely the bum-farkingest, most inbred, idiotic policy of going to war, EVER in the history of the planet.)
Posted by: GWB at September 12, 2021 11:41 AM

This was my breaking point as well. When you start modeling your war fighting strategy on Pottery Barn, it's FUBAR all the way down.

Posted by: Moonbeam at September 12, 2021 12:20 PM (qe5CM)

258 216 Who was on Joe's lawn?
Posted by: klaftern at September 12, 2021 12:04 PM (r4sI4)

Dog crap. He was yelling at dog crap.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at September 12, 2021 12:20 PM (SDdx5)

259 >No, you should have done less. Much less. And what you did do was the wrong thing

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Maybe they did exactly what they set out to do: destroy the USA as it formerly existed, bleed it dry and remake it as a globalist surveillance state under the control of an unaccountable elite.

Posted by: BunnyFooFoo at September 12, 2021 12:21 PM (0Uf+z)

260 "Nation Building" The thing is, our elected betters think this is real, done with Legos and Tinker Toys.

A tribal society isn't interested in the slightest about a national identity let alone indoor plumbing.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 12, 2021 12:21 PM (BFigT)

261 241 Dominique , not Jacques

Posted by: CN at September 12, 2021 12:22 PM (ONvIw)

262 If we learned anything from WWII Japan

the leaders never think you will go to the mat

until you go to the mat

Posted by: REDACTED at September 12, 2021 12:23 PM (uCLWI)

263 258 216 Who was on Joe's lawn?
Posted by: klaftern at September 12, 2021 12:04 PM (r4sI4)

Dog crap. He was yelling at dog crap.
Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at September 12, 2021 12:20 PM (SDdx5)


He claims that the dog crap yelled first.

Posted by: Justsayin' at September 12, 2021 12:23 PM (Fs5vw)

264 Didn't Obama's people claim to be a new "Best and Brightest"? I bet most of Biden's people think they're the Best and the Brightest, despite masses of contrary evidence.
Posted by: Dr. Weevil at September 12, 2021 12:17 PM (xF8ee)
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Obama's dumb line was:

We are the ones we've been waiting for.

Like he's some sort of Messiah.

Posted by: zmdavid at September 12, 2021 12:26 PM (xqRaG)

265 "It's not that our liberal friends are ignorant, it's just that they know so much that just isn't so."

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 12, 2021 12:28 PM (kTF2Z)

266 what was he yelling at ??
Posted by: REDACTED at September 12, 2021 12:07 PM (uCLWI)
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Old man yells at cloud.

Posted by: zmdavid at September 12, 2021 12:28 PM (xqRaG)

267 Obama's dumb line was:

We are the ones we've been waiting for.

Like he's some sort of Messiah.
Posted by: zmdavid at September 12, 2021 12:26 PM (xqRaG)

yeah, when i was young, I used the same line

worked about as well with the chicks

Posted by: REDACTED at September 12, 2021 12:28 PM (uCLWI)

268 9/11 was also an indicator of why airlines go broke. A 757 and a 767 (that hit the towers) on a coast to coast flight with less than 100 passengers on each plane?

Posted by: Justsayin' at September 12, 2021 12:29 PM (Fs5vw)

269 236 What we should have learned is that there is no such thing as limited war. /snip/
Posted by: Ron at September 12, 2021 12:11 PM (pOrFv)

There are many successful generals and admirals these idiots and rainbow flag warriors could learn from, but they are too narcissistic and stupid to learn.

William Tecumseh Sherman:

"War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen, and I say let us give them all they want."
"War is cruelty. There is no use trying to reform it. The crueler it is, the sooner it will be over."

Royal Navy Admiral of the Fleet John Arbuthnot "Jacky" Fisher, First Sea Lord 1914 - 1915 (under Churchill, First Lord of the Admiralty):

"The humanising of war? You might as well talk about the humanising of Hell! The essence of war is violence! Moderation in war is imbecility!"

Posted by: Gref at September 12, 2021 12:29 PM (AMIL/)

270 Holmes' remark about idiots was in regard to forced sterilization on the basis of eugenics. And it happened to be in regard to a woman who was raped by a caretaker relative and whose resulting pregnancy was socially inconvenient.
His "reasoning" formed the rationale behind Aktion T4.
In modern times it is the basis of abortion being used to "cure" Down Syndrome, and euthanasia being used as a "palliative" for Alzheimer's, cancer, and senescence in general.
Plus of course abortion as the go to method of social engineering to reduce the population of undesirable ethnic and economic groups.

Holmes was not right.
He was a typical progressive sociopath.

When we get to his "fire in a crowded theater" quip, which he later walked back when he decided socialists should get to oppose war against socialist countries, his general disdain for economic liberty, and his preference for legal positivism over natural law, he brought let loose the full progressive trend to tyranny, and secured his legacy as one of their idols.

Posted by: Sam at September 12, 2021 12:30 PM (ohyxL)

271 Pedo fantasy novel in Austin, TX school. I'm not sure if it was in the library or part of an assignment. Either way, this shit shouldn't be anywhere near a school.

https://bit.ly/3EkZc1h

Posted by: bonhomme at September 12, 2021 12:31 PM (i0wNm)

272 Holmes was not right.
He was a typical progressive sociopath.

Posted by: Sam at September 12, 2021 12:30 PM (ohyxL)

I hope you realize that I am not approving of his original statement, but that I am taking license and using it to refer to our elites...

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 12, 2021 12:32 PM (Q9lwr)

273 56- He loves government, which is not surprising since his dad and family were government politicians almost their entire lives.
Posted by: Jen the original at September 12, 2021 11:22 AM

Except they puffed it up and call it "public service".

Posted by: Moonbeam at September 12, 2021 12:32 PM (qe5CM)

274 Fuck gwb obama biden and their admins. Note Trump not included in th fuckery. Seems Trump may be the only one that actually loves America and Americans. Will gen x be any better at this shit. I hope so. Not confident though. Speaking as an early gen x guy.

Posted by: USNtakim deplorable still. at September 12, 2021 12:33 PM (0OmEj)

275 261 241 Dominique , not Jacques
Posted by: CN at September 12, 2021 12:22 PM (ONvIw)

thanks for the correction. i can picture his face and it is worthy of a fist.
meh, he made his 30 pieces of silver and moved on to his mistress and cognac somewhere in the cote de azur

Posted by: Jack Burton, tired at September 12, 2021 12:34 PM (6mdtd)

276 I'm old enough to remember 30-40 year younger versions of the same exact nut jobs who repeatedly preached to me as a teen that Reagan was a Nazi, was going to crash the economy and was going to cause WW3. They were just as crazy and emphatic then with the "Doomsday Clock", "Unilateral Nuclear Freezes" and Sandinista worship...... only they were a healthy minority then. Their solutions were just as nuts. After the Berlin Wall fell, these exposed socialists scattered for a bit and re-legitimized to the public as Bill Clinton "New Democrats".......that, of course, lasted until the public's memory faded of their shameful acquiescence to the Soviets.

Posted by: spike at September 12, 2021 12:34 PM (VxxX3)

277 276 I'm old enough to remember 30-40 year younger versions of the same exact nut jobs who repeatedly preached to me as a teen that Reagan was a Nazi, was going to crash the economy and was going to cause WW3. They were just as crazy and emphatic then with the "Doomsday Clock", "Unilateral Nuclear Freezes" and Sandinista worship...... only they were a healthy minority then. Their solutions were just as nuts. After the Berlin Wall fell, these exposed socialists scattered for a bit and re-legitimized to the public as Bill Clinton "New Democrats".......that, of course, lasted until the public's memory faded of their shameful acquiescence to the Soviets.
Posted by: spike at September 12, 2021 12:34 PM (VxxX3)


great point all around. the neo-libs are full spectrum marxists with zero pretenses. they want to burn the system down and us with it.
fdr put japanese americans in camps...and aoc and her ilk would do the same in the name of the saving the earf from carbon or keeping us safe from...us. or covid. or whatever the thing of the day is.

Posted by: Jack Burton, tired at September 12, 2021 12:37 PM (6mdtd)

278 9/11 was also an indicator of why airlines go broke. A 757 and a 767 (that hit the towers) on a coast to coast flight with less than 100 passengers on each plane?
Posted by: Justsayin'

They carry cargo and they also need to reposition the planes for other flights.

Posted by: SFGoth at September 12, 2021 12:38 PM (KAi1n)

279 One of the big mistakes in Afghanistan was not making their poppy fields untenable.

Posted by: Justsayin' at September 12, 2021 12:38 PM (Fs5vw)

280 Bush's comments, whether they were about blm or 1/6 "insurrectionists", were a call for a war on terror 2.0 against Americans.

He's a monster.

Posted by: bonhomme at September 12, 2021 12:39 PM (i0wNm)

281 279 One of the big mistakes in Afghanistan was not making their poppy fields untenable.
Posted by: Justsayin' at September 12, 2021 12:38 PM (Fs5vw)

fuck, wait just a fucking minute !!

Posted by: HUNTER at September 12, 2021 12:40 PM (uCLWI)

282 Bush's comments, whether they were about blm or 1/6 "insurrectionists"

Bank on it that it was the later and not the former.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 12, 2021 12:40 PM (Xrfse)

283 Teacherr are weaponizing ypong people to fight anything.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at September 12, 2021 12:40 PM (obcVG)

284 He's a monster.
Posted by: bonhomme at September 12, 2021 12:39 PM (i0wNm)

A++

Posted by: HUNTER at September 12, 2021 12:41 PM (uCLWI)

285 Elites, will always exist no matter what type of government you have. Human nature, to have rulers and the ruled. I'd expect even the stone age people had rulers and everyone else. Communism was supposedly going to make everyone the same, but it didn't work out. Share and share alike only works in kindergarten. sort of.

Posted by: Colin at September 12, 2021 12:41 PM (QeqnW)

286 279 One of the big mistakes in Afghanistan was not making their poppy fields untenable.
Posted by: Justsayin' at September 12, 2021 12:38 PM (Fs5vw

yes. so, when i was there in the early early aughts...i asked those around me, "say, why don't we have the big pharma come here and harvest the opium to make drugs out of and then...profit for these people. also stops the talibs from selling opium etc on the market through europe."
the non military peeps i was chatting with said, "no! war on drugs and all that! we at the state dept think we should teach the tribes farming. carrots and wheat."
i processed this marvel of ingenuity as the british forces and dea continued to burn poppy fields in our ao.

we couldn't get shit right from nearly the start.

Posted by: Jack Burton, tired at September 12, 2021 12:42 PM (6mdtd)

287 It's easy for guys with security details to puff their little chests and talk tough about nation building, - even building back better in America! George, Barry and Joe and their many stoolies have a proven track record.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at September 12, 2021 12:43 PM (iz53w)

288 Has the Bush defender that always shows up to accuse us of BDS been to the thread to tell us all how wrong we are for bashing this big government loving liberal simpleton?

Posted by: Buzzion at September 12, 2021 12:43 PM (vUG5q)

289 Man drowns in Dead Sea
In Ein Bokek, a 70-year-old man was pulled from the water unconscious. MDA staff performed CPR on him but were forced to declareD dead at the scene.

Hum. That ain't easy

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 12, 2021 12:43 PM (Irn0L)

290 I am unable to conceptualize the seething anger and hatred I have for GWB. I can not find the words. The more I think about what he said... it boils.

I backed that son of a bitch up. Argued in his favor. That mother fucker hated me the entire time. It was all a globalist fucking game.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at September 12, 2021 12:44 PM (LXmEi)

291 Teacherr are weaponizing ypong people to fight anything.
Posted by: Humphreyrobot at September 12, 2021 12:40 PM (obcVG)

Two generations of Children of the Corn.

Posted by: Justsayin' at September 12, 2021 12:44 PM (Fs5vw)

292 276 I'm old enough to remember 30-40 year younger versions of the same exact nut jobs who repeatedly preached to me as a teen that Reagan was a Nazi, was going to crash the economy and was going to cause WW3. They were just as crazy and emphatic then with the "Doomsday Clock", "Unilateral Nuclear Freezes" and Sandinista worship...... only they were a healthy minority then. Their solutions were just as nuts. After the Berlin Wall fell, these exposed socialists scattered for a bit and re-legitimized to the public as Bill Clinton "New Democrats".......that, of course, lasted until the public's memory faded of their shameful acquiescence to the Soviets.

Posted by: spike at September 12, 2021 12:34 PM (VxxX3)


The Americans the past and present nut jobs claim to represent never participate in sizable numbers in the protests: The working poor and the lower middle class, blacks, Latinos, etc. Unless members of those groups are in unions. Especially public employees unions. I think "dilettantes" may be a good word to describe Our Betters.

Posted by: Gref at September 12, 2021 12:44 PM (AMIL/)

293 Trying to transform a tribal Muslim nation into something western-style was a fools job. Their religion requires Sharia law.
Darker thought- Bush and Co. knew that and it was their purpose all along to cause a situation where we would somehow be obligated to import a hostile nation as refugees to fundamentally transform our own.

Posted by: Too Cynical Today at September 12, 2021 12:44 PM (SmFPm)

294 279 One of the big mistakes in Afghanistan was not making their poppy fields untenable.
Posted by: Justsayin'

Why? Fentanyl is synthetic. The opioid problem in this country is *not* people smoking opium. You want people to come here and start busting up our breweries, wineries, and distilleries? Our opioid problem will not be solved by fvcking with Afghanistan's poppy fields.

Posted by: SFGoth at September 12, 2021 12:45 PM (KAi1n)

295 Posted by: Buzzion at September 12, 2021 12:43 PM (vUG5q)

Fenelon was in an earlier thread imploring us to give him the benefit of the doubt. That we don't really know what he meant.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at September 12, 2021 12:45 PM (LXmEi)

296 Like being just pickled to death.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at September 12, 2021 12:45 PM (obcVG)

297 When Bush landed at Barksdale, the airbase has been "in the middle of an annual nuclear surety exercise".

As they debarked AF1 General Brian Montgomery came up to pos Brian Montgomery, the White House director of advance, pos Montgomery asked, "what do you need?, he responded:

'See those planes? Every one is loaded with nukes - tell me where you want 'em.' We look over and there are just rows of B-52s, wingtip to wingtip.

https://is.gd/FspBhA

But no, the Fabians couldn't consider sending 100 nuclear armed B-52s aloft.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 12, 2021 12:45 PM (Tw76q)

298 American exceptionalism isn't destroyed, what allowed for it's development is still there, but obfuscated and subverted by the left.

The resolution of course is purging or otherwise eliminating. Which is ironically exactly what they desire for us.

Posted by: irongrampa at September 12, 2021 12:46 PM (KATBx)

299 Condi Rice is hot.

Posted by: Muammar Khadaffi at September 12, 2021 12:46 PM (FTIES)

300 the non military peeps i was chatting with said, "no! war on drugs and all that! we at the state dept think we should teach the tribes farming. carrots and wheat."
i processed this marvel of ingenuity as the british forces and dea continued to burn poppy fields in our ao.

we couldn't get shit right from nearly the start.
Posted by: Jack Burton, tired at September 12, 2021 12:42 PM (6mdtd)

I remember a story in the early years of all this that we did precisely that in Turkey I believe it was. We legitimized their opium production to get them out of making illegal narcotics and it was asked in the article I read why weren't we doing that.

Posted by: Buzzion at September 12, 2021 12:46 PM (vUG5q)

301 289 Man drowns in Dead Sea
In Ein Bokek, a 70-year-old man was pulled from the water unconscious. MDA staff performed CPR on him but were forced to declareD dead at the scene.


they coulda saved him but they thought of the costs of changing the brand and all the signs

you always gotta know what the bottom line is

Posted by: HUNTER at September 12, 2021 12:46 PM (uCLWI)

302 249 this. of course, we knew this when we had the cia operating in the ghan against the commies, arming the mujis with stingers and such. and yet, our betters, or noble and great generals, failed to crack open a book, any book, that had the word, "graveyard" "empires" "afghanistan" and "tribes" in its title.
Posted by: Jack Burton, tired at September 12, 2021 12:16 PM (6mdtd)


Years ago I heard a fascinating radio interview with a guy who had written a very detailed techno-thriller about an alien invasion of the United States. He was a Pentagon guy, basically a real-life Jack Ryan who turned intel into books and briefings for the decision makers. This book came out of some exercises he was running for the top Army guys in which he had them think about how they would fight back against an alien invader with overwhelming technological superiority.

The underlying reason is that he was trying to teach counterinsurgency and space aliens were the only way he could get through the generals' big egos and attempt to understand why groups like AQ and the Taliban were doing so well against us.

Posted by: CppThis at September 12, 2021 12:46 PM (UewuT)

303 > Hum. That ain't easy

Was he holding a cannon ball?

Posted by: bonhomme at September 12, 2021 12:47 PM (i0wNm)

304 Geroge Bush and Hunter Biden have more than just awful paintings in common.

Posted by: garrett at September 12, 2021 12:47 PM (uQEfo)

305

"we broke it, now it is your fooking problem and if needed we will be back to poisen your dirt next time"

Posted by: will choose a nic later at September 12, 2021 12:47 PM (bTQ72)

306 295 Posted by: Buzzion at September 12, 2021 12:43 PM (vUG5q)
Fenelon was in an earlier thread imploring us to give him the benefit of the doubt. That we don't really know what he meant.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at September 12, 2021 12:45 PM (LXmEi)

Nah this was the guy that would rage about people bashing W the same way he would rage about people bashing Johnny Football

Posted by: Buzzion at September 12, 2021 12:48 PM (vUG5q)

307 I was bored so did google street maps to known trees from my childhood addresses 50 years ago. Seems most of them are cut down or died.

Posted by: Jimco Industries at September 12, 2021 12:48 PM (buTO7)

308 I think I have a solution to the surplus of "elites"

Posted by: Jonathan Swift at September 12, 2021 12:49 PM (EZebt)

309 The underlying reason is that he was trying to teach counterinsurgency and space aliens were the only way he could get through the generals' big egos and attempt to understand why groups like AQ and the Taliban were doing so well against us.
Posted by: CppThis at September 12, 2021 12:46 PM (UewuT)

generals are like federal judges. huge egos and everyone walks on eggshells around them. they are capable of destroying entire lives with the stroke of a pen and serve nearly for life. the only difference between the two is that a general will occasionally get fired or retires. the judges, like herpes, persists and make you miserable.

Posted by: Jack Burton, tired at September 12, 2021 12:50 PM (6mdtd)

310 "What would happen today if New York City or other large metropolitan area was attacked again and 3000 died? Would we again come together as a nation in the wake of such an event? My guess? No.

If Al Qaeda were to attack today centers of corporate America and deep state power like the Pentagon and Congress, I'd have a hard time feeling offended."

Imagine the left's response to a 9/11-scale terrorist attack somewhere like Birmingham, Tulsa or Boise.

Posted by: chris in pa at September 12, 2021 12:50 PM (t4BGJ)

311 Fenelon was in an earlier thread imploring us to give him the benefit of the doubt. That we don't really know what he meant.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at September 12, 2021 12:45 PM (LXmEi)

I'm very fond of Fen, but his past statements show he meant white supremacists and probably in particular, the Jan. 6th protestors...

Posted by: It's me donna at September 12, 2021 12:50 PM (L91xj)

312 20 years ago, I was living in a once sweet-but-by-then-over-run-with-libs- suburb in NJ and had a toddler. My then-husband was at work. When the planes hit, I ran out of my front door, down the sidewalk, and looked up and down the street. I was preparing in my mind just what I would do to protect my family and my home if 'they' came for us in our cities and was already planning to have stay with us any relatives who would need safety. I believed instantly we were at war.

Immediately, my neighbors and fellow residents of that suburb began with " Oh noes we cannot retaliate! We MUST be peaceful! We must NOT bomb them!"

And since then, we have never recovered as a nation.

Sometimes, you need to hit them back.

Posted by: RondinellaMamma Donald Trump is our duly elected president and covid came from a Chinese laboratory at September 12, 2021 12:51 PM (l0Cy4)

313 304 Geroge Bush and Hunter Biden have more than just awful paintings in common.
Posted by: garrett at September 12, 2021 12:47 PM (uQEfo)

none of my bitches killed no one

Posted by: HUNTER at September 12, 2021 12:51 PM (uCLWI)

314
transgender femail MMA fighter = dude who likes to beat up chicks ....

Posted by: will choose a nic later at September 12, 2021 12:51 PM (bTQ72)

315 I think I have a solution to the surplus of "elites"

Posted by: Jonathan Swift at September 12, 2021 12:49 PM (EZebt)

Cannibal Bob was ahead of his time.

Posted by: Flounder at September 12, 2021 12:51 PM (KnJdm)

316 Bolsonaro says he ain't mandating shit unless Pfizer agrees to be liable for side effects.

https://bit.ly/3E8TxuR

Posted by: bonhomme at September 12, 2021 12:52 PM (i0wNm)

317 Hum. That ain't easy

Was he holding a cannon ball?
Posted by: bonhomme at September 12, 2021 12:47 PM (i0wNm)

Probably had a stroke or heart attack and had his face in the water

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 12, 2021 12:52 PM (Irn0L)

318 ...and recall Michael Moore's response to 9/11, which was basically "why are you attacking Manhattan, we're on your side! Why not attack Kansas instead?"

Posted by: chris in pa at September 12, 2021 12:52 PM (t4BGJ)

319 Hum. That ain't easy
Posted by: Nevergiveup

The salinity of the Dead Sea doesn't mean you won't suck in enough water into your lungs to drown.

Posted by: SFGoth at September 12, 2021 12:52 PM (KAi1n)

320 Hum. That ain't easy

Was he holding a cannon ball?
Posted by: bonhomme

Probably had a stroke or heart attack and had his face in the water
Posted by: Nevergiveup

He was doing the dead man's float.

Posted by: Tonypete at September 12, 2021 12:52 PM (mD/uy)

321 I beleved in W enough to allow my boy, at his wish, to enist inthe ARNG split option and go to BCT in the summer of his junior year in HS 2007.

17 years old he went in with the big boys at Ft Benning that summer.

As enormously proud of that young man, today i would not give him my signature again.


Posted by: BluesFish at September 12, 2021 12:53 PM (kPJ/p)

322 transgender femail MMA fighter = dude who likes to beat up chicks ....
Posted by: will choose a nic later at September 12, 2021 12:51 PM (bTQ72)

I wonder if we could get "shefail" going as a name for dudes in dresses.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at September 12, 2021 12:54 PM (1lKRm)

323 318 ...and recall Michael Moore's response to 9/11, which was basically "why are you attacking Manhattan, we're on your side! Why not attack Kansas instead?"
Posted by: chris in pa at September 12, 2021 12:52 PM (t4BGJ)

b/c the NYC MSM woulda ignored it

next

Posted by: REDACTED at September 12, 2021 12:54 PM (uCLWI)

324 Bolsonaro says he ain't mandating shit unless Pfizer agrees to be liable for side effects.

Heh. Nice try.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 12, 2021 12:54 PM (Xrfse)

325 > transgender femail MMA fighter = dude who likes to beat up chicks ....

For decades, feminists have been spreading the lie that nobody in the US cared about wife beating until about 1980 or so. Now they're actually applauding a man beating a woman.

Posted by: bonhomme at September 12, 2021 12:55 PM (i0wNm)

326
Why? Fentanyl is synthetic. The opioid problem in this country is *not* people smoking opium. You want people to come here and start busting up our breweries, wineries, and distilleries? Our opioid problem will not be solved by fvcking with Afghanistan's poppy fields.
Posted by: SFGoth at September 12, 2021 12:45 PM (KAi1n)


There were no thoughts of the war on drugs with my comment. My thought was to hurt the economic well-being of the warlords and tribal leaders that depended on opium money for their militant activities.

Posted by: Justsayin' at September 12, 2021 12:55 PM (Fs5vw)

327 318 ...and recall Michael Moore's response to 9/11, which was basically "why are you attacking Manhattan, we're on your side! Why not attack Kansas instead?
----
Whats this we shit. He ate his way out of Flint Michigan.

Posted by: Jimco Industries at September 12, 2021 12:56 PM (buTO7)

328 -today i would not give him my signature again.


todays US military does not think it needs to win at war, it thinks it has other priorities all of which come from lefty ideas from college campuses

Posted by: will choose a nic later at September 12, 2021 12:56 PM (bTQ72)

329 so, is there a space capsule at the base of the Eiger ??

Posted by: REDACTED at September 12, 2021 12:56 PM (uCLWI)

330 Posted by: bonhomme at September 12, 2021 12:55 PM (i0wNm)

Any female who doesn't applaud gets called a TERF (trans-exclusive radical feminist), which is absolutely intended as a slur.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at September 12, 2021 12:56 PM (1lKRm)

331 Good afternoon!

Well, checking out the sidebar story that Jonah is back at NR...someone must be desperate for a paycheck if he's writing for NR again.

Good.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at September 12, 2021 12:57 PM (2SdPm)

332 > The salinity of the Dead Sea doesn't mean you won't suck in enough water into your lungs to drown.

Sure, but it's hard to drown if you're super buoyant. Most people drown when trying to stay afloat becomes too exhausting.

Posted by: bonhomme at September 12, 2021 12:57 PM (i0wNm)

333 297 When Bush landed at Barksdale, the airbase has been "in the middle of an annual nuclear surety exercise".
As they debarked AF1 General Brian Montgomery came up to pos Brian Montgomery, the White House director of advance, pos Montgomery asked, "what do you need?, he responded:
'See those planes? Every one is loaded with nukes - tell me where you want 'em.' We look over and there are just rows of B-52s, wingtip to wingtip.
https://is.gd/FspBhA
But no, the Fabians couldn't consider sending 100 nuclear armed B-52s aloft.
Posted by: Braenyard at September 12, 2021 12:45 PM (Tw76q)


Our Betters are always terrified about "What will the Europeans and other civilized nations think? They'll dislike us! They'll boycott us! We won't get any more French wine! Horrors!"

Welp, you will never serve your own interests worth a damn if you are always constrained by what you think others will think and do. The EU and others may have tried "economic pressure" on us as punishment for nuking everything from Tora Bora to Mecca. Just like they're all doing on China, right? Right? Cutting off trade with the US in 2001 would have cratered the economy of every country dumb enough to try.

Posted by: Gref at September 12, 2021 12:57 PM (AMIL/)

334 @MrsT106

"If Robert E. Lee had been in Afghanistan he would've won." - Joe Biden

Video: https://tinyurl.com/ye29t8pr

Posted by: Tami at September 12, 2021 12:57 PM (cF8AT)

335 I do not think, in the long run, that any other factor overshadows the massive expansion of domestic surveillance and curtailment of civil liberties.

I supported it at the time. I was a fucking moron. Never give an inch on freedom.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 12, 2021 12:58 PM (csEWM)

336 I'd fight Gina Carano. There's no question that I would totally get my ass kicked, but I'd be enjoying it all the way down!

Posted by: CppThis at September 12, 2021 12:58 PM (UewuT)

337 Opium is made into heroin and morphine. Junkies don't care if it's heroin, morphine, or fentanyl. They'll take what they can get.

They all need to go.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at September 12, 2021 12:58 PM (Y5qcH)

338 have a great rest of your day, 'rons.
later

Posted by: Jack Burton, tired at September 12, 2021 12:58 PM (6mdtd)

339 The salinity of the Dead Sea doesn't mean you won't suck in enough water into your lungs to drown.
Posted by: SFGoth at September 12, 2021 12:52 PM (KAi1n)

Yes I know but it is difficult to drown if you are awake since you can not really sink

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 12, 2021 12:58 PM (Irn0L)

340 334 @MrsT106

"If Robert E. Lee had been in Afghanistan he would've won." - Joe Biden

Video: https://tinyurl.com/ye29t8pr
Posted by: Tami at September 12, 2021 12:57 PM (cF8AT)

Sherman probably could have gotten it done.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 12, 2021 12:58 PM (csEWM)

341 Posted by: Tami at September 12, 2021 12:57 PM (cF8AT)

He was particularly "off" yesterday.. he tried to ad lib when his handlers wanted him to stay mute... It's easy to see why...

Posted by: It's me donna at September 12, 2021 12:59 PM (L91xj)

342 337 Opium is made into heroin and morphine. Junkies don't care if it's heroin, morphine, or fentanyl. They'll take what they can get.

They all need to go.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at September 12, 2021 12:58 PM (Y5qcH)

There are practical applications. The last kidney stone kind of supported that. By the same token, I in no way would want that feeling all the time.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 12, 2021 01:00 PM (csEWM)

343 Wait, so Joe Biden just seriously claim that the Confederacy would be a more effective fighting force than the US military!?

No wonder they're trying to tear down those statues--jealousy is a bitch!

Posted by: CppThis at September 12, 2021 01:00 PM (UewuT)

344 > "If Robert E. Lee had been in Afghanistan he would've won." - Joe Biden

I agree with his assessment. I still question his intelligence.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 12, 2021 01:01 PM (BFigT)

345 > I'm very fond of Fen, but his past statements show he meant white supremacists and probably in particular, the Jan. 6th protestors...

Even if you're feeling generous and allow Bush was possibly talking about BLM, he still called for a War on Terror 2.0 on Americans.

Posted by: bonhomme at September 12, 2021 01:01 PM (i0wNm)

346 I in no way would want that feeling all the time.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 12, 2021 01:00 PM (csEWM)

I was given Fentanyl before I had two wisdom teeth removed. It was a decidedly unpleasant feeling, and one I do not want to repeat.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 12, 2021 01:01 PM (Q9lwr)

347 1ST NOOD

Posted by: Skip guy who says NOOD at September 12, 2021 01:02 PM (2JoB8)

348

Bush 41 and Bush 43 were never conservatives ifn y'all remember

Posted by: will choose a nic later at September 12, 2021 01:02 PM (bTQ72)

349 gref, the comments, in the article, from the Bush team are disgusting. He surrounded himself with arrogant fools from the beginning.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 12, 2021 01:02 PM (Tw76q)

350 341 Posted by: Tami at September 12, 2021 12:57 PM (cF8AT)

He was particularly "off" yesterday.. he tried to ad lib when his handlers wanted him to stay mute... It's easy to see why...

Posted by: It's me donna at September 12, 2021 12:59 PM (L91xj)

He was babbling something about a friend who lost a son in the WTC. Or something like that. He tries to make everything about him, somehow.

Posted by: Gref at September 12, 2021 01:02 PM (AMIL/)

351 I supported it at the time. I was a fucking moron. Never give an inch on freedom.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 12, 2021 12:58 PM (csEWM)
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I remember Glen Beck talking about the Patriot Act and how he originally supported it, while dismissing people who rightly pointed out that once such things are implemented, they never go away. Beck later admitted he was wrong about the Patriot Act.

Beck is an interesting guy, completely insane one moment, and right on the money the next.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at September 12, 2021 01:03 PM (2SdPm)

352 People with chronic pain....have a stranger with no wiggle room give you the proper amount. Yeah .Yeah. Next the government will have a machine that not only detects the truth...it is truth.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at September 12, 2021 01:03 PM (obcVG)

353 The fact that Bush was condemning the same folks who sent their kids off to fight his endless war, while the Bush girls made big dollars being safe at home, reveals just how detestable he is. Would not be surprised if Liberal Librarian Laura wrote that swill for him.

Posted by: EveR at September 12, 2021 01:04 PM (MUpk6)

354 336 I'd fight Gina Carano. There's no question that I would totally get my ass kicked, but I'd be enjoying it all the way down!

Posted by: CppThis at September 12, 2021 12:58 PM (UewuT)
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Hit me here, and here, a little lower... oh, I'm gonna lose this...match.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 12, 2021 01:04 PM (Tw76q)

355 Are we still talking about Bush? Weren't the 70s great?

Speaking of bush, Gilligan's Island is on. It's the one where Gilligan gets struck by lightning and gets xray vision.

Posted by: f'd at September 12, 2021 01:04 PM (Tnijr)

356 Yes I know but it is difficult to drown if you are awake since you can not really sink
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 12, 2021 12:58 PM (Irn0L)
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Thats why a fat person can never drown in a lake. Just float and blow to shore.

Posted by: Jimco Industries at September 12, 2021 01:04 PM (buTO7)

357 Never liked Bush but I didn't hate him. I defended him because back then I believed that ultimately he was on our side. He wasn't then and he isn't and now. I hate him and his family more than any Democrat because I never trusted a Democrat, but I trusted him (kinda). And I never thought he was stupid, just inarticulate. But he is stupid...and evil. Damn him. And don't get me started on Cheney.

Posted by: Flatville Bill at September 12, 2021 01:04 PM (tEsMf)

358 I was given Fentanyl before I had two wisdom teeth removed. It was a decidedly unpleasant feeling, and one I do not want to repeat.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 12, 2021 01:01 PM (Q9lwr)

For the kidney stone I had a cocktail of Dilaudid and fentanyl. It was strange. Every other (Percocet really, do not think I have had any other opioids) I could still feel the pain. This removed the pain sensation entirely. Considering how bad it was just before they gave it to me, it is miraculous. However, fuzzy headed does not cover it. Pooping was an issue. Disconnected. I'll say it was pleasant given the alternative but would not want to live there or even visit often.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 12, 2021 01:05 PM (csEWM)

359 Probably be willowed, but, here goes: Anyone else look at Biden, standing there with his hands in his pockets, while his wife was speechifying, and wonder where Joe learned his manners?

I mean, apart from the fact Joe wandered off while Dr. Jill was speaking, came back, and put his hands back in his pockets.

Whole scene was bizarre.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at September 12, 2021 01:09 PM (2SdPm)

360 Between propofol and fentanyl , I prefer fentanyl .
Don't like propofol.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 12, 2021 01:11 PM (Tw76q)

361 Yup....and those "intelligence" folks should have been fired. Instead no one is held accountable anymore, paychecks continue to roll, pensions are given, books and blue panels blah, blah, blah.

Stalin would have had them all shot.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 12, 2021 11:21 AM (R/m4+)
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The name George Tennet is still embedded in my mind.

Posted by: Biden's Dog at September 12, 2021 01:11 PM (XOHmk)

362 I was given Fentanyl before I had two wisdom teeth removed. It was a decidedly unpleasant feeling, and one I do not want to repeat.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 12, 2021 01:01 PM (Q9lwr)


I've had medicinal fentanyl and I've smoked opium.

I'll go organic on this one.

Posted by: Justsayin' at September 12, 2021 01:15 PM (Fs5vw)

363 360 Between propofol and fentanyl , I prefer fentanyl .
Don't like propofol.
Posted by: Braenyard at September 12, 2021 01:11 PM (Tw76q)


Demerol for the win.

Posted by: Justsayin' at September 12, 2021 01:17 PM (Fs5vw)

364 Bush condemned people peacefully and patriotically protesting.

Posted by: torabora at September 12, 2021 01:19 PM (EqvMH)

365 I wonder what cats dream about.

Posted by: Justsayin' at September 12, 2021 01:20 PM (Fs5vw)

366 Demerol for the win.

Posted by: Justsayin' at September 12, 2021 01:17 PM (Fs5vw)


Demorol gives me claw-the-ceiling hallucinations. Nasty stuff.

Posted by: grammie winger at September 12, 2021 01:20 PM (45fpk)

367 364 Bush condemned people peacefully and patriotically protesting.
Posted by: torabora at September 12, 2021 01:19 PM (EqvMH


Yup. Look at the people who surround him there. We know exactly what part of the population he meant.

Posted by: Justsayin' at September 12, 2021 01:24 PM (Fs5vw)

368 Greetings:

Any mention of the whereabouts of Zawahiri (Al-henchman numero uno) in your program ???

Posted by: 11B40 at September 12, 2021 01:33 PM (uuklp)

369 Lets mix in some Taliban with some CRT class.

I'd go..just so i can scratch the blackboard....see what happens

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at September 12, 2021 01:39 PM (obcVG)

370 If a trans-exclusionary radical feminist went into space she'd be an AstroTERF.

Posted by: Toad-O at September 12, 2021 01:56 PM (cct0t)

371 Except...3,000 people died


3,000 people were murdered.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 12, 2021 02:20 PM (yQpMk)

372 What a sad state of affairs.. I used to be behind W now I wouldn't care if the World Court convicted him with murder or whatever they were trying to do years ago...

Posted by: It's me donna

You and me both. Not saying the Dem candidates were any less globalist shills but Bush was unworthy of the post to which this nation elected him to put it mildly. My excuse at the time was he was the "lesser evil" as I was never overly enthused when I checked the box with his name on it. My thoughts between the two generally was, "Really? This is all I get to chose from?" But more and more I see that less evil excuse isn't much use. A lesser evil is still evil. I'm still not sure I'll ever advocate not voting in spite of all the fraud but maybe I'll just start writing in a name, my own, when neither candidate is worth a damn. Will I win? Of course not but at least I won't be a part of electing yet another disastrous politician.

Posted by: Daniel J Kunkle at September 12, 2021 03:06 PM (BKDWF)

373 Not sure about the emphasis on "nation building" as an issue on which to lose.
We're not being run out of Astan because the locals wouldn't pose for a Norman Rockwell calendar.
A lot is perception. Parliamentary government is messy, not as structured as our scheduled elections. We're used to it in the Anglosphere. But as I recall, anytime the party balance flipped in Italy, it was "ITALIAN GOVERNMENT FALLS! Fourth government this week!"
Getting what was actually happening in Astan and Iraq clear beyond the noise was difficult because the messiness was emphasized.
Recall that their voters took the risk of the purple finger. Imagine suggesting that to a democrat in the US.
There's a story that, in the first election in Astan, the women showed up in their best, because they expected to die and wanted to be buried in their finest clothes.
The Astan army wasn't very good. But the Pakistan army is, at least relatively and that's because they had the Brits running them and setting the tone for so long.
Same human material.

Posted by: Richard Aubrey at September 12, 2021 03:07 PM (dSnnl)

374 Everything is grift. The anti-American democrats need to divide us to win the politics and continue the spending. The problem is we are all preaching to the choir instead of changing the political paradigm.

Political control over the budget and legislation will come from expanding the conservative coalition by focusing MAGA on the underclass, with every voter won a plus for us and a loss for them. The black church shares our Christian values which are the basis of our self evident truths, and will be a willing ally in addressing the root cause of societal dysfunction, the destruction of the family.

Posted by: Larry Dressler at September 12, 2021 03:12 PM (W0MsY)

375 Trying again: If you need a road for military purposes and the locals can use it, too, and to their advantage, do you take that from the military account or from the nation building account? How do you sell it back home?

If you build a school, maybe six teachers, one principal and two janitors there are maybe fifty families with a vested interest in your presence. They're not going to salute the flag when it goes by but they may consult their interests when somebody wants to make trouble.
Meantime, between classes, you have some AV time. Greatest ten minutes in the last World Cup. Show the space shuttle Challenger, tragedy. Show the smiling crew. A woman. Don't make a deal of it. She's just there.
If you run a medcap, doc's a woman and she tells a dozen paratroopers how to arrange things.
Just a few, cheap grains of sand into the transmission of the seventh century culture in the midst of literacy and numeracy. A bit of a break before getting back to the grind.
Meantime, you hire a dozen guys for scut work at your outpost and make sure they get medical care for various aches, pains, and work issues.
You don't start with a masters in grievance studies.

Posted by: Richard Aubrey at September 12, 2021 03:14 PM (dSnnl)

376 I suspect it's more like 6 or 7 generations of elitists, going back to Woodrow (Edith) Wilson's Presidency.

Posted by: Fox2 at September 12, 2021 03:31 PM (qyH+l)

377 Probably be willowed, but, here goes: Anyone else look at Biden, standing there with his hands in his pockets, while his wife was speechifying, and wonder where Joe learned his manners?

Not in any Catholic grade school I ever attended.

Posted by: Fox2 at September 12, 2021 03:37 PM (qyH+l)

378 272 I hope you realize that I am not approving of his original statement, but that I am taking license and using it to refer to our elites...

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 12, 2021 12:32 PM (Q9lwr)

Yes I do.

I hope you realize that I find Holmes, and that statement in particular, utterly repugnant and worthy of denunciation whenever brought up, even if being used to disparage the so-called "elites".

Posted by: Sam at September 12, 2021 05:26 PM (ohyxL)

379 Indeed three generations of idiots should not be tolerated. They should be taken out and executed for their crimes.

Posted by: Harry at September 12, 2021 06:53 PM (EcD5Y)

380 It's pretty funny to watch conservatives come to grips with neocon criminals like Bush and Cheney. You all supported these faggots and you own them. Just like the left owns the Clintons and Obama. YOU are all worthless and weak. These people all want GloboHomo neoliberalism and so do you, you vote for it every time. You continually vote to invade the world/invite the world like the neocons want. You are all pathetic dupes.

Posted by: Dogbot's Ghost at September 13, 2021 07:51 AM (7E3C4)

381 The unexamined life is not worth living, true.

But the unLIVED life is not worth examining.

Ya follow?

Good lad.

Posted by: WinnieSC at September 13, 2021 08:09 AM (Jr51x)

382
Best response, by far, to the Trump supporter vapors sufferer:

"shut the fuck up you fucking liberal pussy"

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at September 17, 2021 02:33 PM (WoyGL)

383

"shut the fuck up you fucking liberal pussy" Can you possibly get him to record this as a WAV? I need a new ringtone.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at September 17, 2021 02:34 PM (WoyGL)

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