The COVID Vaccine: A Physician's Perspective
[Cat Ass Trophy]

My name is Dr. CAT, I am a 27 year military veteran of both the Air Force and Army, a board certified emergency physician and employee of a Big Hospital system. I am a graduate of a Big 10 University School of Medicine and completed my residency at a prestigious institution

I am not anti vaccine. I am anti vaccine mandate, particularly in the case of the novel mRNA vaccines from Pfizer and Moderna. As with all of you, I watched in horror from my position at a big hospital in February 2020 as COVID-19 ravaged Italy. The virus was spreading globally, nothing seemed to stop it, and thousands were dying with no effective treatment to be found. It was truly a nightmare scenario.

Physicians and scientists were collaborating globally using Facebook and Twitter to speed the spread of new information and ideas around the world within minutes. Major scientific journals expedited the release and publication of COVID related articles and made them free to access. It was amazing. This was going to be a global triumph. But then politics joined the fray. And when politics and science mix, science loses. What the government scientists spoke was the truth, everything else was labelled misinformation and banned.

For centuries the scientific method invited questions, invited curiosity. Stupid questions and fringe ideas overturned scientific dogma throughout history. It is how we advance science. We question results, question truth, keep experimenting. But when politics and science mix, science loses. Fringe ideas such as a heliocentric solar system get Copernicus and Galileo thrown out of the church. Offering an alternative treatment to COVID, or questioning the effectiveness of masks gets you banned from Facebook and YouTube.

The family of coronaviruses is fairly common. It along with rhinovirus, adenovirus and enterovirus typically cause symptoms of the common cold. A vaccine which can tackle some or all of these viruses would be a windfall for any pharmaceutical company. Cure for the common cold. But the cure does not exist. Prior to 2020, we have never successfully made a vaccine against the coronavirus. Prior to 2020, we have also never made a vaccine using the mRNA technology. But, within months of isolating SARS COV-2, we not only have a vaccine against a coronavirus, but one using mRNA technology, AND near simultaneous release by several companies globally.

This should warrant cautious optimism from the medical and scientific community. Yes it works, but is it safe? Is it necessary? By the time of release of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines in late 2020, we were gaining control of the pandemic. We were finding effective treatment strategies, deaths were down. We identified vulnerable populations. The vaccine was promising, but the urgency was waning. It left time for careful consideration. Be scientists. Ask questions. What are the side effects? How long does immunity last? Is it effective against variants? What are the longer term, unseen effects? We don’t know. Let’s find out.

The majority of COVID-19 deaths are in people over 60 with other significant medical problems. It is reasonable to focus vaccine efforts on this population. There may be some unseen risk to the vaccine, but they stand a significant chance of dying from COVID. The benefit outweighs the risk. That is a decision we make all the time in medicine. The treatment has drawbacks, but the disease is worse. But in the less vulnerable population? Let’s wait a little bit. There are two novel aspects to this vaccine. The mRNA mechanism, and the Coronavirus target. We need careful consideration to find out what the risks of the vaccine really are.

That did not happen. When politics and science mix, science loses. Hurry up! Vaccinate everyone. We will restrict you until you are vaccinated. No 4th of July if we don’t reach vaccination goals! Hurry up!

AstraZeneca was the first to be pulled in Europe because of unanticipated blood clotting issues. The Johnson and Johnson adenovirus vector vaccine faced some early questions here at home. Healthy people were getting ill, suffering long term appetite suppression and cardiomyopathy after the vaccine. Wait. Stop. Slow down. Let’s take time to look at this closer before we forge ahead. No. When politics and science mix, science loses. Just shut up and take the jab. You are banned from Facebook for spreading misinformation about your vaccine side effects.

The vaccine was designed for the original COVID. We are now Delta dominant. Cases are surging. Companies are mandating the vaccine with threat of firing for noncompliance, mandating the vaccine to fly, mandating the vaccine to attend a game. The FDA made a hasty approval of the Pfizer vaccine, and the floodgates have opened. Now, under the thin veneer of FDA approval, more companies, my hospital included, are mandating the vaccine in order to remain employed.

The hospital’s rationale is that the Delta surge is driven by the unvaccinated. Is this true? The data out of Israel, who is months ahead of our curve with Delta says the opposite. Those who have never had COVID, but did receive the full 2 dose Pfizer regimen are 13 times more likely to get Delta than those with natural immunity, those who contracted the original COVID and recovered. 13 times more likely to contract Delta if you are vaccinated.

And of those who were vaccinated and contracted Delta, how long was it between vaccination and infection with Delta? Four months. Israelis were vaccinated in Jan/Feb and contracted Delta by June.

So we have a twice novel vaccine with known immediate side effects, no long term study , and which only seems to be effective against the current variant for 4-6 months. Will “take the jab or be fired” be a recurring threat from Big Hospital going forward? Every 6 months, get your booster or you are fired?

They reply “But those who are vaccinated and contract Delta don’t get as sick!” Right, but they are still contagious, and now not sick enough to stay home. And if there is a risk of harm from taking a new vaccine, and the only benefit is that I get less sick, that choice should be mine, not forced under threat of unemployment.

And speaking about long term effects, are we seeing any now? Long term effects are just that. They happen months or years later. This is why a new drug takes years to come to market. The FDA graveyard is littered with medications which made it through the approval process, only to be recalled due to an unforeseen long term consequence. Try to buy Zantac, a once popular OTC antacid, at CVS. It was just recalled because an impurity causes cancer. Didn’t see that coming. Vioxx, thalidomide, fen-phen… oops.

What are the long term effects of the mRNA vaccine? Who knows. There is early evidence of decreased numbers of an immune cell called CD-8 T cells immediately following vaccination. These cells are part of the early surveillance team which seeks out and destroys cells infected with viruses or are abnormally growing cancerous cells. Dr. Ryan Cole, a pathologist and immunologist in Idaho has noticed an increase in invasive melanomas, endometrial cancer, and cervical dysplasia as well as common viral infections such as molluscum, HPV and HSV. These are typically conditions a healthy immune system with functioning CD-8 cells would knock out before you even knew about it. But in post vaccinated people, these infections and cancer are quickly becoming more common. Suppressed T cells are not there to stop it. This is anecdote, not a published study, but this is the kind of thing that spurs questions in a healthy scientific community. We consider the issue, study it find the data, prove the hypothesis. But in today’s world, Dr. Cole is labelled a kook, ostracized, videos deleted from YouTube for spreading misinformation. Questioning the dogma.

There is also a study published in the UK which identifies antibody dependent enhancement facilitating infection with Delta. Antibody dependent enhancement is a case where the antibodies the vaccine stimulates you to make actually facilitate the entry of the Delta strain into your cells. Instead of making it less likely you will get sick, it makes you more likely. This may explain the Israeli data. This is actual data, published by the British Infection Association. There are long term consequences out there, we just haven’t taken the time necessary to find them.

The Big Hospital policy cites acceptance of the vaccine by the American College of Gynecologists and Obstetricians (ACOG). Give the vaccine to pregnant women. Really? Where is the caution here? Most medications, common medications prescribed frequently to pregnant women, reglan, zofran, phenergran, tylenol, carry the warning on the package insert that they are not well studied in pregnancy, and use is cautioned. We use them because there are decades of use that show them to be probably safe, but still counsel patients before prescribing. The vaccine? Just give it! It is safe! Despite the fact that it is not possible to have a cohort of newborns large enough to show detrimental effect. Disgraceful. What possible reason is there for the rush? When politics and science mix, science loses

It may turn out that the Pfizer vaccine was key in our victory over COVID. This may also be a dark time for science and medicine where we allowed our process to be subverted by politics, and patients lost.

In medicine we talk about informed decision making. The old, paternalistic, directive medicine is in the past. We involve patients in their care, inform them, allow them to make the decisions, right or wrong. Politics mixed with science, science has lost and we have now returned to the paternalistic directive medicine of “vaccinate or else”.

Posted by: Open Blogger at 02:10 PM




Comments

(Jump to bottom of page)

1 A refreshing nood

Posted by: steevy at September 06, 2021 01:11 PM (uUDKV)

2
whoa, shit, MORE smart people here, in addition to the regurlar smart set here,


P.S. Free Commas!!!!!

Posted by: will choose a nic later at September 06, 2021 01:12 PM (bTQ72)

3
BRB, I shall nood the peeps below

Posted by: will choose a nic later at September 06, 2021 01:13 PM (bTQ72)

4 The Martian 13th Biological Warfare Unit (Vanguard) read this post with interest. And amusement.

Posted by: ZOD at September 06, 2021 01:14 PM (xK9An)

5 Well written. I agree. Bravo

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 06, 2021 01:14 PM (Irn0L)

6 Smart. Military. Blog.

Smart commenters, too.

Thank you for this thread. CAT.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice. Asymptomatic raycist at September 06, 2021 01:15 PM (3D/fK)

7 And posts like this, 'Ettes and Morons, is just one of the many reasons this is the greatest blog on the web.

Posted by: Tonypete at September 06, 2021 01:15 PM (mD/uy)

8 I suspected a Nood but can't call it
Someone was here yesterday with Covid, so hoping 24 hrs will dimension it.

Posted by: Skip's Phone at September 06, 2021 01:15 PM (zWovM)

9 The scariest data is the most important data. Any non-scary data will be diverted to the phantom zone.

Posted by: klaftern at September 06, 2021 01:15 PM (r4sI4)

10 Great read..thanks!

Posted by: lizabth at September 06, 2021 01:16 PM (L3Rsz)

11 Social media has made censorship more efficient.

Posted by: fluffy at September 06, 2021 01:16 PM (UnQlg)

12 The Americans trapped in Obamastan are not HOSTAGES people !!! They are just guests of the Taliban and just want little Joey and Pup-Pup to come out and play.......

Biden also said we "Do not control the Airspace over Obamastan" so the Civilian A/C cannot take off? That is why we have AIR FORCE you bag of hamster feces !!!!!!

Posted by: James at September 06, 2021 01:16 PM (24+Vp)

13 This should warrant cautious optimism from the medical and scientific community. Yes it works

For certain values of "work" yes. They reduce the effect of symptoms but do not protect you from getting sick. Which is why its not a VACCINE. Because it does not teach your body to protect its self, they fool your body into not being as affected, temporarily.

And, of course there's the unfortunate "weakens your immune system" side effect and the other less mentioned side effects.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 06, 2021 01:17 PM (KZzsI)

14 HE'S A WITCH! BURN HIM!

Posted by: Roy at September 06, 2021 01:17 PM (Ti+Tv)

15 willowed, related

468 state-by-state look at US colleges requiring COVID-19 vaccines

https://tinyurl.com/mnzbtmmb
Posted by: m at September 06, 2021 01:06 PM (nzEdf)

Posted by: m at September 06, 2021 01:17 PM (nzEdf)

16 Perhaps I missed it, but how does the Delta infection rate compare for those who have neither been vaccinated nor had Covid?

Posted by: pep at September 06, 2021 01:18 PM (ZsR3z)

17 Hmmm. Good post.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 06, 2021 01:18 PM (csEWM)

18 The problem is that the Wuhan Flu, objectively, scientifically, and factually, is not all that deadly. Which makes you wonder why on earth Italy was having all these supposed deaths, and why China freaked out so badly in Wuhan.

The stuff we saw happening in these two places does not match up with the .05 average lethality rate that we know of (even including the bogus death stats in the US).

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 06, 2021 01:18 PM (KZzsI)

19 I admire the hell out of you for doing this, Cat Ass Trophy.

Posted by: Jordan61 at September 06, 2021 01:19 PM (hP4QN)

20 Very informative post.

No China Flu Scam jab for me because I am was born free and choose to remain so...

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 06, 2021 01:19 PM (R/m4+)

21 11 Social media has made censorship more efficient.
Posted by: fluffy at September 06, 2021 01:16 PM (UnQlg)

And more complete as people have less person to person interaction at a local level.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 06, 2021 01:19 PM (csEWM)

22 Good read C.A.T.

Posted by: Skip's Phone at September 06, 2021 01:19 PM (zWovM)

23 Hmmm, think something was off in those egg muffins I just made. Might be the cooking spray went rancid, maybe.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 06, 2021 01:20 PM (csEWM)

24 I think it is impossible to over estimate the damage this debacle has caused to government, our institutuons, and medicine.

Government, and the press, have little to no trust amongst the public, both having long ago squandered any credibility whatsoever. This is a horrible development, as much of the legitimacy of any government is based on consent of the governed, and the perception that those institutions are looking out for them; that they are trying, and have at least minimal competency, accountability, and some sort of efficiency.

None of that applies any longer. Now the cancer has obviously spread, and laid bare the rot that has infested the medical care system.

Posted by: Common Tater at September 06, 2021 01:20 PM (qyZxC)

25 There is also a study published in the UK which identifies antibody dependent enhancement facilitating infection with Delta. Antibody dependent enhancement is a case where the antibodies the vaccine stimulates you to make actually facilitate the entry of the Delta strain into your cells.

From what I understand the problem is twofold:

1) The "vaccine" only works against one strain of the Wuhan Flu.
2) The "vaccine" reduces your natural ability to fight off infection

So when a new strain comes along -- one apparently more virulent than the previous one -- the "vaccine" is actually WORSE than not getting it.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 06, 2021 01:20 PM (KZzsI)

26 No China Flu Scam jab for me because I am was born free and choose to remain so...

As am I, although I chose to get vaccinated. I think that's the main point: my body, my choice.

Posted by: pep at September 06, 2021 01:20 PM (ZsR3z)

27 "Why does anybody need a 30 round magazine?"

Because that's how many cops your cowardly ass is gonna need to strap me down to a gurney and get vaxxed, pussy.

Posted by: Oschisms at September 06, 2021 01:20 PM (BD0Jm)

28 Wait, what race is the vaccine?

Posted by: Mass Media at September 06, 2021 01:20 PM (EZebt)

29 And I just saw an Epoch Times headline about how the UK will impose vaccine passports within the month.

Do you have a link to that study showing the jab facilitates Delta?

Posted by: Methos at September 06, 2021 01:21 PM (kOpft)

30 What is the vaccine's gender identity and pronouns?

Posted by: Mass Media at September 06, 2021 01:21 PM (EZebt)

31 And more complete as people have less person to person interaction at a local level.

"Wait until we start censoring your texts, DMs, and emails, citizen"
--Big Internet

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 06, 2021 01:21 PM (KZzsI)

32 >>None of that applies any longer. Now the cancer has obviously spread, and laid bare the rot that has infested the medical care system. Posted by: Common Tater at September 06, 2021 01:20 PM (qyZxC)

Doomed. Time to monetize a death-cult.

Posted by: ZOD at September 06, 2021 01:21 PM (xK9An)

33 No China Flu Scam jab for me because I am was born free and choose to remain so...

Obviously you don't care about Children of Color and Global Climate Change .... Oh wait with Abortion it is my body and my choice but, with COVID Not your body and not your choice..... Shove it down their FemiNazi throats literally and figuratively...

Posted by: James at September 06, 2021 01:22 PM (24+Vp)

34 There is no contradiction between faith and science... true science!

Posted by: Dr. Zaius Fauci at September 06, 2021 01:22 PM (4I/2K)

35 Thanks CAT for this.

Like every vaccine out there, these shots carry risks. To say otherwise is to lie.

The mayor of Amity pops to mind trying to keep the news of a great white shark munching on beach goers secret because it will affect tourism.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 06, 2021 01:22 PM (3798x)

36 It's almost like they're intentionally trying to bring about the Four Horsemen. Like they got tired of waiting.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at September 06, 2021 01:22 PM (OssQ4)

37 I value liberty more than safety, freedom more than prosperity. I will not comply.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 06, 2021 01:22 PM (yQpMk)

38 "But, within months of isolating SARS COV-2"

This guy is not a well informed person.

Can you contact him and have him provide evidence a single instance of an isolated gold standard sample of the virus?

Posted by: astonerii at September 06, 2021 01:23 PM (B9VxK)

39 How much are Big Medicine restricting individual doctors speaking out on what a malignant fraud Fauci is? After his performance with AIDS he should be serving life in a supermax yet half the population wants to kiss his ass. What the fuck gives?

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at September 06, 2021 01:23 PM (y7DUB)

40 BRAVO !!

Posted by: runner at September 06, 2021 01:23 PM (V13WU)

41 Like every vaccine out there, these shots carry risks. To say otherwise is to lie.

Everything in life carries risks, including avoiding all risks.

**begins chanting Ommmmmmmm**

Posted by: pep at September 06, 2021 01:23 PM (ZsR3z)

42 Thanks, CAT.

>>>But, within months of isolating SARS COV-2, we not only have a vaccine against a coronavirus, but one using mRNA technology, AND near simultaneous release by several companies globally.

>>>This should warrant cautious optimism from the medical and scientific community. Yes it works, but is it safe? Is it necessary?


Small quibbles. On the latter, it is absolutely NOT necessary, and potentially never was, given the suppression of potentially effective low-cost therapeutics.


On the former - it works - it works to do some things, some fraction of what an infection and natural do. But only a handful of silenced critics are asking the questions as to whether that is a good idea in the first place. So, "it works" is a questionable premise.

Posted by: flounder at September 06, 2021 01:23 PM (KnJdm)

43 I think it is impossible to over estimate the damage this debacle has caused to government, our institutuons, and medicine.

Couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch of guys.

Posted by: t-bird at September 06, 2021 01:23 PM (KfC1e)

44 In the beginning Obama created the Earth and Heavens......

Posted by: James at September 06, 2021 01:23 PM (24+Vp)

45 On 12/31/2021 the current test used to quote unquote diagnose COVID is not longer approved by the FDA and CMS.

Posted by: rhennigantx at September 06, 2021 01:24 PM (yrol0)

46 I admire the hell out of you for doing this, Cat Ass Trophy.
Posted by: Jordan61

Ditto. Awesome post.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at September 06, 2021 01:24 PM (OssQ4)

47 natural do = natural immunity do

Posted by: flounder at September 06, 2021 01:24 PM (KnJdm)

48 27 "Why does anybody need a 30 round magazine?"

pie aint square and magazines aint round

Posted by: REDACTED at September 06, 2021 01:24 PM (uCLWI)

49 Subtlety is not allowed when the left dictate the terms of the discussion.

One has either taken the jab or not taken the jab. The science is settled, kulak.

Posted by: 13times More Chaos at September 06, 2021 01:24 PM (KGlLG)

50 Everything in life carries risks, including avoiding all risks.

**begins chanting Ommmmmmmm**
Posted by: pep at September 06, 2021 01:23 PM (ZsR3z)

Going to launch into an Obama chant, pep?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 06, 2021 01:24 PM (csEWM)

51 Thanks Dr. Cat, really good.

Posted by: dartist at September 06, 2021 01:24 PM (+ya+t)

52 Thanks for putting these thoughts down CAT.

Destruction of the scientific method is a feature not a bug. Like destruction of meritocracy, morality, literacy, and a host of other pillars of Western thought, which even now are tottering.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at September 06, 2021 01:24 PM (EZebt)

53 This is not a vaccine. It is kinda of a flu shot. with an expiration date.

Posted by: runner at September 06, 2021 01:24 PM (V13WU)

54 Climate change had already killed Science. This virus just set fire to the corpse.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 06, 2021 01:24 PM (yQpMk)

55 Very well written and I love the info. My only quibble is the vaccines do not work and will not be the way through this.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at September 06, 2021 01:25 PM (YglAn)

56 Going to launch into an Obama chant, pep?

No, those start "Mmmm Mmmm Mmmm"

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 06, 2021 01:25 PM (KZzsI)

57 Thalidomide was never approved here for morning sickness. It was, IIRC, approved for very limited, non-pregnancy, uses a few decades ago.

Posted by: SFGoth (KAi1n) at September 06, 2021 01:25 PM (KAi1n)

58 Going to launch into an Obama chant, pep?

Yes.

**dooooouche*

Posted by: pep at September 06, 2021 01:25 PM (ZsR3z)

59 Trump POTUS Vaccine Bad.... Little Joey POTUS Trump vaccine good ! Any questions yo Nabobs???

Posted by: James at September 06, 2021 01:25 PM (24+Vp)

60 Pep is attempting to mediate and reach Nirvana.

Gaylord thinks he is Nirvana.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 06, 2021 01:26 PM (3798x)

61 why China freaked out so badly in Wuhan.

We have only China's word for how they reacted.

Posted by: Methos at September 06, 2021 01:26 PM (kOpft)

62 Destruction of the scientific method is a feature not a bug/

Correct, this is not a side effect of some other effort, it is a goal. The left must destroy all objective truth for their arguments to have a chance of convincing people.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 06, 2021 01:26 PM (KZzsI)

63 We have only China's word for how they reacted.

Well and footage people shot and put on the internet.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 06, 2021 01:26 PM (KZzsI)

64 DOJ says they will "Protect" Baby Killers in Texas .......

Posted by: James at September 06, 2021 01:27 PM (24+Vp)

65 Thank you, Dr. Cat Ass Trophy for writing this.

Posted by: Count de Monet, unvaccinated American at September 06, 2021 01:27 PM (4I/2K)

66 A most[/] excellent post, CAT, introducing some much-needed rational analysis into the situation.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 06, 2021 01:27 PM (YqDXo)

67 Which makes you wonder why on earth Italy was having all these supposed deaths

I seem to recall the specific issue with Italy was they ran out of capacity, so a bunch of their would be 50 - 80% fatality groups (numbers made up by me) turned into 100%.

Posted by: Methos at September 06, 2021 01:28 PM (kOpft)

68 Who let the turd in

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 06, 2021 01:28 PM (Irn0L)

69 Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 06, 2021 01:26 PM (KZzsI)

CCP PsyOp IMO

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at September 06, 2021 01:28 PM (YglAn)

70 so, the IRS is gonna stop paying bounties on tax cheats

Posted by: REDACTED at September 06, 2021 01:28 PM (uCLWI)

71 Who let the turd in

Well Kurt was 'occupied.'

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 06, 2021 01:29 PM (3798x)

72 I had the J&J vaccine on March 16 after local health dept.. threatened to shut down my business over a complaint I was not wearing a mask all the time. I had multiple side effects that lasted for several months. Two doctors agreed they were the kind of symptoms they were seeing as side effects. Never tested and don't know if I have actually had Covid. I am 80 and am not being treated for any medical conditions, so I was probably not a high-risk person. Now after the vaccine, who knows what it did to my resistance levels.

Posted by: Ruthless at September 06, 2021 01:29 PM (/uaBM)

73 In Eisenhower's farewell speech, he famously warned about the Military Industrial Complex.... and he ALSO warned about public policy being run by a Education / Technical elite....

Damn smart guy.

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 06, 2021 01:29 PM (oHd/0)

74 DOJ says they will "Protect" Baby Killers in Texas .......
Posted by: James at September 06, 2021 01:27 PM (24+Vp)



There are a limited number of soulless ghouls with medical degrees. Convince people that there is no hope for a political settlement and you will end up with direct action.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 06, 2021 01:29 PM (yQpMk)

75 Well written and cuts through the political bias. While I don't think that this "pandemic" and all the wretched things to ooze out of it are good, I do believe that it has been instructive. Like's Trump's brief stay in office and this Afghan debacle, COVID has allowed an increasingly skeptical public a view of the breathtaking hubris, venality and corruption that lives and breeds in our formerly trusted institutions. What will we do with those insights and understanding?

Posted by: ErikInTexas at September 06, 2021 01:29 PM (M9SBl)

76 Gee. And when politics and science mix, science loses.

Posted by: JAS, AoSHQ addict at September 06, 2021 01:30 PM (xopIz)

77 I feel like your position is 'I am pro-vaccine assuming there are no long term effects that make the risks outweigh the benefits.' However, there is no way to know that at this point. Therefore, the official position for everyone should likely be 'I'm not sure how this whole thing is going to pan out until we have all the data.' Everything before that is conjecture.

Additionally, the Pfizer vaccine being credited to initially beating Covid when you compare to countries that didn't use vaccines likely doesn't hold up.

Posted by: BacktoGA at September 06, 2021 01:30 PM (MPYWI)

78 It's almost like they're intentionally trying to bring about the Four Horsemen. Like they got tired of waiting.

Satan's been waiting for all of history and is not known for his impulse control.

Posted by: Methos at September 06, 2021 01:30 PM (kOpft)

79 >>> Which makes you wonder why on earth Italy was having all these supposed deaths

I seem to recall the specific issue with Italy was they ran out of capacity, so a bunch of their would be 50 - 80% fatality groups (numbers made up by me) turned into 100%.
Posted by: Methos at September 06, 2021 01:28 PM (kOpft)


Europeans just like to murder their old people. It doesn't take much more than a short heatwave and they're goin around with a cart, "bring out your dead"

Posted by: banana Dream at September 06, 2021 01:31 PM (ZOfsH)

80 CCP PsyOp IMO

I think it was, kind of. I think the released something really horrendous in the area that they had to get under control in a hurry, then blamed it on the Wuhan Flu, which was already out in the world.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 06, 2021 01:31 PM (KZzsI)

81 I don't think the "vaccine" is effective at all against this flu. In fact, if you got the vax, you're soaking in it.

Posted by: tommygun411 at September 06, 2021 01:31 PM (e4pXr)

82 Well the minions of evil on Earth are still mortal so there is the impetus

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 06, 2021 01:31 PM (3798x)

83 The FDA graveyard is littered with medications which made it through the approval process, only to be recalled due to an unforeseen long term consequence.

Most people are unaware of this, and consequently unaware that pharma has to recoup the cost of drugs that failed the approval process late in the game.

Torcetrapib, for example, cost Pfizer $800 million in R&D costs before washing out in phase III trials. $800 million - poof! Gone.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 06, 2021 01:31 PM (YqDXo)

84 The scientific method is very inconvenient for political purposes. We must eliminate it so that we can pass laws that demand impossibilities. We can, thus, make wishes into fishes. Win-win.

Posted by: Ruthless at September 06, 2021 01:31 PM (/uaBM)

85 Everything in life carries risks, including avoiding all risks.

Posted by: pep at September 06, 2021 01:23 PM (ZsR3z)

Very few people understand this.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 06, 2021 01:32 PM (Q9lwr)

86 Who let the turd in

Man, I'm sitting right here

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 06, 2021 01:32 PM (KZzsI)

87 Is the fourth horse on his way?

Posted by: Infidel at September 06, 2021 01:32 PM (Kx3kq)

88 Great post and much needed.

Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at September 06, 2021 01:32 PM (jWe5r)

89 81 I don't think the "vaccine" is effective at all against this flu. In fact, if you got the vax, you're soaking in it.
Posted by: tommygun411 at September 06, 2021 01:31 PM (e4pXr)

Fun part is? Its not a vaccine. It does not stop you from getting Covid, it just makes it so you don't get it as bad.

ergo, it's a therapy... not a vaccine.

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 06, 2021 01:32 PM (oHd/0)

90 Is there anything, on the whole, to show that this isn't more deadly than every year's cold?

Is there anything that shows a change in month-to-month dead from any previous year?

Posted by: banana Dream at September 06, 2021 01:33 PM (ZOfsH)

91 Biden is vacationing (read recovering from the drugs they used to get him standing for his "press conferences") in Delaware.

Good thing there isn't anything pressing going on.

https://tinyurl.com/6nr66pez

Posted by: pep at September 06, 2021 01:33 PM (ZsR3z)

92 This confirms what I have observed here in Seattle.

But. What do I do? Hold fast to my convictions or keep my job?

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 06, 2021 01:33 PM (U2p+3)

93 That did not happen. When politics and science mix, science loses. Hurry up! Vaccinate everyone. We will restrict you until you are vaccinated. No 4th of July if we don't reach vaccination goals! Hurry up!


They got away with it in the Global Warming fraud so they figure the COVID BS was easy.

Posted by: Vic at September 06, 2021 01:33 PM (mpXpK)

94 pharma has to recoup the cost of drugs that failed the approval process late in the game.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 06, 2021 01:31 PM (YqDXo)

Many people are too ignorant and stupid to understand this, and simply assume that drugs should be priced based on the manufacturing costs.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 06, 2021 01:33 PM (Q9lwr)

95 >>>In medicine we talk about informed decision making. The old, paternalistic, directive medicine is in the past. We involve patients in their care, inform them, allow them to make the decisions, right or wrong. Politics mixed with science, science has lost and we have now returned to the paternalistic directive medicine of "vaccinate or else."


Lastly, you are your best advocate for medical and health decisions. I am not exactly saying that you should not speak to nor trust your doctor. But recognize. They are human, prone to bias and error. Their good will and history of trust - built on centuries of scientific advancement and loyalty to oaths - has been severely degraded by fear, fashion, and political meddling. Treat each Dr. like an individual, and be skeptical of their advice. They are not use to it, and some will balk at the notion of you questioning their wisdom. Good ones will encourage you to seek out a second opinion, check into yourself. You should.

Posted by: flounder at September 06, 2021 01:33 PM (KnJdm)

96 Why did Eisenhower wait until the last moment to warn us about the military industrial complex? He had eight years to do something about it.

Posted by: 13times More Chaos at September 06, 2021 01:34 PM (KGlLG)

97 Nice writeup, and hits on a lot of my concerns about the present situation. As you say, the early days were great inasmuch as most of the data was just being dumped out so interested parties could draw their own conclusions. Now everything gets filtered through heavily politicized, government-run gatekeepers who've been caught dirty fudging it on a number of occasions, and it shows.

The real shame of it is that there's plenty of real vaccines that actually work as intended, and when this is all said and done with they'll probably have an undeserved bad reputation as people conflate MMR and such with C19 mass hysteria.

Posted by: CppThis at September 06, 2021 01:34 PM (UewuT)

98 Is it really a press conference if all that happens is he makes a speech then turns his back and runs away?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 06, 2021 01:35 PM (KZzsI)

99 Hmmm, think something was off in those egg muffins I just made. Might be the cooking spray went rancid, maybe.
-------------------------------
Rotting fish puns?

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at September 06, 2021 01:35 PM (UHVv4)

100 I have read that the Moderna one seems to create more antibodies and is more effective but it seems like the Pfizer vaccine is most often talked about.

Posted by: SamIam at September 06, 2021 01:35 PM (oasF3)

101 Hat tip to you, Dr. CAT. As a fellow MD, I appreciate your work on this. And myself and several of my partners feel the same way: we are NOT "anti-vax," we're increasingly skeptical of the dictatorial push to mandate mRNA vaccines that clearly don't do a great job preventing Delta infection, and *may* end up facilitating it via ADE, as well as leave a large pool of minimally-symptomatic or asymptomatic carriers walking around thinking that they're not carriers. It was my choice to get the Pfizer vaccine in January, but *if* a booster mandate comes around in my state, I'm going to refuse unless and until the Novavax vaccine is available.

And one of the things about this pandemic that saddens me beyond words is seeing science and medicine being thoroughly perverted by politics.

Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at September 06, 2021 01:35 PM (ViC0A)

102 Why did Eisenhower wait until the last moment to warn us about the military industrial complex? He had eight years to do something about it.

I expect he tried.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 06, 2021 01:35 PM (KZzsI)

103 Don't worry guys JROD's Totally Legit Pharma is coming up with its own Covid vaccine. I've recruited a local meth lab cook and few underground steroid labs and shots will be available in no time!



Posted by: JROD at September 06, 2021 01:35 PM (0jZnq)

104 The scientific method is very inconvenient for political purposes. We must eliminate it so that we can pass laws that demand impossibilities. We can, thus, make wishes into fishes. Win-win.
Posted by: Ruthless

I have performed the miracle of transubstantiating Argumentum ab Auctoritate into the scientific method. You're welcome, sinner.

Posted by: Saint Tony of The Science! at September 06, 2021 01:35 PM (KCbdU)

105 Well and footage people shot and put on the internet.

That footage that people put on the internet along with the video showing folks dropping dead in the street? Which "got through" the most controlled corner of the internet on the planet?

I think it was all part of the op.

Posted by: Methos at September 06, 2021 01:35 PM (kOpft)

106 76 Gee. And when politics and science mix, science loses.
Posted by: JAS, AoSHQ addict at September 06, 2021 01:30 PM (xopIz)
--------------------

When politics and anything mix, the anything loses. See, e.g., economics, in particular (Solyndra, anyone?)

Why? Because rational decision-making gets trumped by the will of the mob, which demagogues manipulate. Ultimately, whoever shouts the loudest and longest gets his way.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 06, 2021 01:35 PM (YqDXo)

107 Is there anything, on the whole, to show that this isn't more deadly than every year's cold?

Is there anything that shows a change in month-to-month dead from any previous year?
Posted by: banana Dream at September 06, 2021 01:33 PM (ZOfsH)


The absence of this type of data just ramps up my skepticism.

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at September 06, 2021 01:35 PM (y7DUB)

108 What do I do? Hold fast to my convictions or keep my job?

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 06, 2021 01:33 PM (U2p+3)

You make that decision based on what is best for you, and you can cheerfully ignore the purity brigades who will call you a coward if you get it, and the vaxxer lunatics who will call you a murderer if you don't.

I'll still make fun of your Sous Vide phobia no matter what you decide!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 06, 2021 01:36 PM (Q9lwr)

109 Torcetrapib, for example, cost Pfizer $800 million in R&D costs before washing out in phase III trials. $800 million - poof! Gone.

Just once, I wish they'd use a real name instead of these unmemorable, polysyllabic nonsense words. How about Satan's Emissions? You'd remember that.

Posted by: pep at September 06, 2021 01:36 PM (ZsR3z)

110 >>> It's almost like they're intentionally trying to bring about the Four Horsemen. Like they got tired of waiting.

Satan's been waiting for all of history and is not known for his impulse control.
Posted by: Methos at September 06, 2021 01:30 PM (kOpft)


Leftists immanentizing their eschatons?

Posted by: banana Dream at September 06, 2021 01:36 PM (ZOfsH)

111 The Vax seems to make you weaker to the next variant.

Who wants to bet that variant comes around election time 2022, in time for a fresh round of lock downs and mail in voting

Posted by: Shenanigans at September 06, 2021 01:37 PM (/u/CT)

112 My personal feeling based on extensive experience with sick relatives in ICU is that the expansion of the use of ventilators by inadequately trained staff probably killed a large number of people.

Local mid and low level hospitals were using them but did NOT have trained respiratory staff.

Even hospitals with that capacity expanded the ICU well beyond the point they had trained staff to use the equipment.

Posted by: Just Lily at September 06, 2021 01:37 PM (ehSR0)

113 Thanks CAT
A good read.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 06, 2021 01:37 PM (axyOa)

114 DrbCar Ass Trophy, great post

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion (oEn12) at September 06, 2021 01:37 PM (oEn12)

115 Is there anything, on the whole, to show that this isn't more deadly than every year's cold?

Well there is info that shows its pretty equivalent but the fact that its not well known or even discussed by anyone is pretty significant in its self.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 06, 2021 01:37 PM (KZzsI)

116 98 Is it really a press conference if all that happens is he makes a speech then turns his back and runs away?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 06, 2021 01:35 PM (KZzsI)
------------

Good point. I had the same thought. They really should call these little soirees "press briefings," because that's what they are.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 06, 2021 01:37 PM (YqDXo)

117 Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at September 06, 2021 01:35 PM (ViC0A)

You know they are going to turn the booster into a bi-yearly thing most likely right? I mean why would they stop now?

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at September 06, 2021 01:37 PM (YglAn)

118 Posted by: pep at September 06, 2021 01:36 PM (ZsR3z)

Carcinoma-Be-Gon?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 06, 2021 01:38 PM (Q9lwr)

119 When politics and anything mix, the anything loses. See, e.g., economics, in particular (Solyndra, anyone?)

Why? Because rational decision-making gets trumped by the will of the mob, which demagogues manipulate. Ultimately, whoever shouts the loudest and longest gets his way.


I was composing something that said exactly the same thing, but you said it better.

Posted by: pep at September 06, 2021 01:38 PM (ZsR3z)

120 I just read this over at Starting Strength, and I think it's worth y'all getting a chance to read it:

https://tinyurl.com/h4r7unsn

Link takes you to another health related blog.

"18 reasons why I'm not taking the Jab"

AN cogent, and unemotional explanation of why this fellow is not complying with conventional wisdom.

It's nothing you may not already know, or have thought about, but it's all nicely compiled in one place to refer to.

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at September 06, 2021 01:38 PM (BgMrQ)

121 "When politics and science mix, science loses." Yeah, true enough but science is its own form of politics. This makes it sound like science is some virginal naif corrupted by the big bully of politics, but science on its own is no better. Science is a nasty adversarial process which is at least as bad as politics Scientist have the "scientific method" in much the same way that politics has rules of evidence or free speech.

The problem we have now is that *politics* is being controlled by one group of scientists who are making a shit ton of money. Secondarily, politics is using *"science"* to gain more power. So these two bullies who normally fight amongst their own respective groups are joining forces to fight us.

When politics and science team up, the public loses.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at September 06, 2021 01:39 PM (rPRtO)

122 Even hospitals with that capacity expanded the ICU well beyond the point they had trained staff to use the equipment.
Posted by: Just Lily
___

Staff not trained in keeping the equipment clean would be a big issue, which I would assume would mean more than merely wiping it down.

Posted by: SMH - The War has been won, only the battles remain, as usual at September 06, 2021 01:39 PM (G0h3n)

123 During my life (and I am older than Vic) I have been a victim of mistaken diagnoses on multiple occasions. These have caused major changes in the direction my life has taken, for example killing a planned military career, being able to fly my own airplane, and others. In each case there was a mistaken diagnosis. I will never take what any doctor tells me as factual. We are our own best "doctors" if we take the time to learn and be aware of our bodies.

Posted by: Ruthless at September 06, 2021 01:39 PM (/uaBM)

124 This confirms what I have observed here in Seattle.

But. What do I do? Hold fast to my convictions or keep my job?
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 06, 2021 01:33 PM (U2p+3)


Do what your conscience dictates. There's no reason to make a martyr of yourself over a fight you can't win.

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at September 06, 2021 01:39 PM (y7DUB)

125 The silence on comparing the seasonal flu death count and the Wuhan Flu death count is in mystery circles called the 'dog that did not bark.'

So you have to wonder why.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 06, 2021 01:39 PM (3798x)

126 The China Coof was never about science or medicine. It's nothing but tyrannical means to an end.

And this so-called doctor has bought into the hoax 100%.

Posted by: Justsayin' at September 06, 2021 01:39 PM (Fs5vw)

127 I still am not clear on what happened in Italy. We saw pictures of people in hasmat suits caring for the dying. It looked like everyone in Italy had covid and most of them were dying from it. Italy was overwhelmed with dying patients and had no way to treat them? Why were they dying in such huge numbers and the US wasn't? Better treatment? But we were all sharing information on treatment? Why were they hit so hard?

Posted by: megthered at September 06, 2021 01:39 PM (mUwlY)

128 98 Is it really a press conference if all that happens is he makes a speech then turns his back and runs away?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 06, 2021 01:35 PM (KZzsI)

Runs?

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at September 06, 2021 01:40 PM (iSGuv)

129 The tough decision comes if we find out that not only does this stuff not really protect you, but might even make you worse off than if you hadn't taken it

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 06, 2021 01:40 PM (KZzsI)

130 *HT to CAT*

Interesting read.

Posted by: SMH - The War has been won, only the battles remain, as usual at September 06, 2021 01:40 PM (G0h3n)

131 Biden's press appearances are proof-of-life demonstrations, no more, no less.

Posted by: Ruthless at September 06, 2021 01:40 PM (/uaBM)

132 pharma has to recoup the cost of drugs that failed the approval process late in the game. ...

Many people are too ignorant and stupid to understand this, and simply assume that drugs should be priced based on the manufacturing costs.

So the value of drugs is determined by the labor that went into failed drugs?

Posted by: Methos at September 06, 2021 01:41 PM (kOpft)

133 The absence of this type of data just ramps up my skepticism.
Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at September 06, 2021 01:35 PM (y7DUB)

Absolute transparency and sunlight are the best disinfectants.

Posted by: Count de Monet, unvaccinated American at September 06, 2021 01:41 PM (4I/2K)

134 Just once, I wish they'd use a real name instead of these unmemorable, polysyllabic nonsense words. How about Satan's Emissions? You'd remember that.
Posted by: pep

Like Damnitol or Enditol?

Posted by: Tonypete at September 06, 2021 01:41 PM (mD/uy)

135 How do we know they are really 'live' these press conferences. After all the White Situation Room clocks have been off in previously published photos.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 06, 2021 01:41 PM (3798x)

136 The tough decision comes if we find out that not only does this stuff not really protect you but might even make you worse off than if you hadn't taken it
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
___

Which would explain the almost insane screech coming from those that have gotten the jab.

People tend not to react well when they realize that they may have been conned.

Posted by: SMH - The War has been won, only the battles remain, as usual at September 06, 2021 01:42 PM (G0h3n)

137 98 Is it really a press conference if all that happens is he makes a speech then turns his back and runs away?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 06, 2021 01:35 PM (KZzsI)

Runs?
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at September 06, 2021 01:40 PM (iSGuv)

Dodders?

Posted by: Count de Monet, unvaccinated American at September 06, 2021 01:42 PM (4I/2K)

138 But. What do I do? Hold fast to my convictions or keep my job?
Posted by: nurse ratched

From what I've read, because of the labor shortage, when their bluff gets called they back down.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at September 06, 2021 01:42 PM (KCbdU)

139 So the value of drugs is determined by the labor that went into failed drugs?
Posted by: Methos

If I steal a truck full of the stuff, no.

Posted by: Tonypete at September 06, 2021 01:42 PM (mD/uy)

140 imho every comment thus far the uses the word "politics" or "politician" could be replaced with the word "the Media" and it would be more accurate

I know, tomato / tomahto...

But my loathing of the actions of political figures during the pandemic is nothing compared to my *types deletes*-scale loathing of media - MSM and social media. It was they who amplified Ferguson's bogus 2.2 milion dead model that freaked out the pols.

I'd say more but Pixy controls length

Posted by: Hands at September 06, 2021 01:42 PM (786Ro)

141 Runs?

Would you buy "hobbles"?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 06, 2021 01:42 PM (KZzsI)

142 130 *HT to CAT* Interesting read.
Posted by: SMH - The War has been won, only the battles remain, as usual at September 06, 2021 01:40 PM (G0h3n)



Indeed. Thanks, Dr. Cat.

Once again, skepticism when any government official makes policy based on "MUH SCIENCE" is justified.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at September 06, 2021 01:42 PM (Agr8U)

143 CAT
Thank you for this post.
Having shepherding someone through cancer treatment I can say that oncologists at large places specializing in oncology get very irritated with questions about treatments and side effects. At least one had absolutely zero interest in past cancer history and said so up front. "I just like to cut!" Was her statement.
Aedd in the renewed cancellations of cancer treatments, surgeries especially, in WA and OR through this entire disaster and my faith in both medicine and science has plummeted. Since I never trusted politicians and the media it's hard to register my reactions to that scum.
Having said that, we did find doctors who actually practice medicine and are grateful for them.

Posted by: Winston, GOPe, not one dime, not one vote at September 06, 2021 01:43 PM (FtJ1S)

144 Well stated CatAss!
Thanks so much for giving voice to this perspective. Powerful!

Posted by: Muldoon at September 06, 2021 01:43 PM (m45I2)

145 A lovely young woman just came into the pub wearing a facemask. But she was also wearing a sports bra. So there's that.
I don't imagine the virus gains access through the belly button.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at September 06, 2021 01:43 PM (iSGuv)

146 Apropos of nothing, this is a pretty good deal on a new ACOG

Trijicon TA31F ACOG 4x32 BAC Riflescope | Dual Illuminated Red Chevron

List Price: $1,502.00
Price: $1,277.00
SALE: $999.00
Savings: $503.00

https://bit.ly/3yJ0j6M

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 06, 2021 01:43 PM (yQpMk)

147 Many people are too ignorant and stupid to understand this, and simply assume that drugs should be priced based on the manufacturing costs.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 06, 2021 01:33 PM (Q9lwr)
-------------------

I've used the movie industry to make this point to such people (because that industry is less emotive than pharma).

How much does it cost to make a major movie? A lot. What happens if the movie bombs?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_box_office_bombs

Note that even the worst bombs lost ~$100 million or so, chump change for a pharma bomb.

What is the cost to burn a DVD of a successful movie? Maybe $1?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 06, 2021 01:43 PM (YqDXo)

148 I am still waiting to see how the Novamax vaccine works. They did a large doubleblind study in the UK. It seems to provide good protection with less time of work from side effects.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at September 06, 2021 01:44 PM (YynYJ)

149 My opinion in Big Pharma is making bank on these mandatory rules

Posted by: Skip's Phone at September 06, 2021 01:45 PM (zWovM)

150 So the value of drugs is determined by the labor that went into failed drugs?
Posted by: Methos at September 06, 2021 01:41 PM (kOpft)
-------------------

Karl, is that you?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 06, 2021 01:45 PM (YqDXo)

151 But. What do I do? Hold fast to my convictions or keep my job?
Posted by: nurse ratched

From what I've read, because of the labor shortage, when their bluff gets called they back down.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at September 06, 2021 01:42 PM (KCbdU)


Richard Barnes has been very upbeat recently about the trend of public opinion and the legal cases against mandates.

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at September 06, 2021 01:45 PM (y7DUB)

152 123 During my life (and I am older than Vic) I have been a victim of mistaken diagnoses on multiple occasions. These have caused major changes in the direction my life has taken, for example killing a planned military career, being able to fly my own airplane, and others. In each case there was a mistaken diagnosis. I will never take what any doctor tells me as factual. We are our own best "doctors" if we take the time to learn and be aware of our bodies.
Posted by: Ruthless at September 06, 2021 01:39 PM (/uaBM)


This is a valid point. I in fact have a permanent condition following some surgeries when I was young that would certainly keep me out of the Air Force if I'm honest about it. I'm not bitter about it--my parents knew the risks--but I do literally get a constant reminder that medicine is an inexact science and sometimes there are side effects.

Posted by: CppThis at September 06, 2021 01:46 PM (UewuT)

153 My opinion in Big Pharma is making bank on these mandatory rules
Posted by: Skip's Phone
___

No doubt about it.

Posted by: SMH - The War has been won, only the battles remain, as usual at September 06, 2021 01:46 PM (G0h3n)

154 pharma has to recoup the cost of drugs that failed the approval process late in the game. ...

Many people are too ignorant and stupid to understand this, and simply assume that drugs should be priced based on the manufacturing costs.


I'd settle for not gouging Americans and then selling the same drug cheap overseas.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com. Not insurgents, counterrevolutionaries. at September 06, 2021 01:47 PM (SchxB)

155 five people in my life who were all of age or physical condition to have gotten the earliest crack at the mRNA shot have died in the last month.
All were in bad health, but none were expected to pop off so quickly.

One, my closest, was chalked up as coronary artery diseases, which was never an issue when he was alive.

I worry about this sort of thing, I know lots of people who qualified for initial treatment, so they got it all about the same time.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 06, 2021 01:47 PM (HG00O)

156 David Gerrold, before he went bonkers, had a perfect summation of the medical field.

"I wouldn't mind doctors so much if they didn't call it practice." - Solomon Short.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 06, 2021 01:47 PM (3798x)

157 "In Florida, a Summer of Death!" screams the WAPO today...except their chart of deaths per 100K population, helpfully included to bolster an argument no one except Stephan the Soyboi in Brooklyn Heights is buying anymore, shows no deaths per 100K. The WAPO asserts "Florida conveniently doesn't report deaths by county" to get around the inconvenient fact that Florida has a lesser death rate per capita due to the Delta than most other states.

This is just a DeSantis hit piece all dressed up all "sciency" by the lefty Che worshippers over at WAPO. No links to actual data you can research, a lot of third hand over the top horror stories from lefty fellow-travelers dressed up as truth, no ability to dig in as you have to with every WAPO story to find out what is really going on - in short, anyone's 16 year-old in the basement with access to the internet and cut and paste skills could have written this as the truth and you'd have no idea if it was unless you did your own research...

Ah the WAPO. Doing the job that older, more mature adults won't do...lie about everything just to get what you want.

Posted by: Boswell at September 06, 2021 01:48 PM (5iUNf)

158 One of the ways to illustrate the costs and expenses for medicine is how the price goes down over time. Why? Because its established now and they've sold enough to make up their initial cost, cover the potential expenses in lawsuits, and its not been banned or recalled. So now they can start lowering the price closer to "this is how much it costs to make."

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 06, 2021 01:48 PM (KZzsI)

159 In every discussion or debate or fist fight over any measure - vax, masks, distancing, lockdowns, new normals, Karens, store policies... I can't help but ask, "Ok, but for WHAT?"

Want a vaccine? Ok, good. But vaccine against what? A nasty flu bug.

Masks? Even they did work, what do they "work" against? A nasty flu bug.

People keep having knock down drag out debates over the measures taken. But I keep wondering, we're still just arguing over measure taken against... a nasty flu bug. All of this bullshit, all this destruction, over an ILI. Not the fucking plague.

Posted by: Hands at September 06, 2021 01:48 PM (786Ro)

160 AT NIH:

Ivermectin was found as a blocker of viral replicase, protease and human TMPRSS2, which could be the biophysical basis behind its antiviral efficiency.

The antiviral action and ADMET profile of ivermectin was on par with the currently used anticorona drugs such as hydroxychloroquine and remdesivir.

Conclusion: Our study enlightens the candidature of ivermectin as an effective drug for treating COVID-19.

Posted by: rhennigantx at September 06, 2021 01:48 PM (yrol0)

161 As a semi-retired 80's DeBakey-vintage surgeon, let me say thank you good Sir ( Ma'am )! Had come to the conclusion that the paradigm shift to algorithmic based treatment away from individualized critical thought processed care was foregone and entering a dark age of medicine. Still can't say we're not, but I'm encouraged that perhaps there remains an adequate layer of professionals that practice the ART of medicine to mentor the youngsters to a proper place. Medical mavericks and frontiersmen that lie awake checking their work and continually seeking a more effective way to practice.

Posted by: Billy the Mountain at September 06, 2021 01:49 PM (aIoD/)

162 I'd settle for not gouging Americans and then selling the same drug cheap overseas.

And that's another factor that people do not understand (and laugh in your face if you bring it up).

Countries with "socialized medicine" demand that pharmaceutical companies sell them the medicine for less, sometimes down to cost or less, to drive their costs down. Big Pharma has to make that up somewhere, so they gouge Americans to get the profits up.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 06, 2021 01:49 PM (KZzsI)

163 The problem we have now is that *politics* is being controlled by one group of scientists who are making a shit ton of money.
------------------

Who would those be, exactly?

Scientists working for anyone - i.e., not independent inventors, who are virtually unknown in this space - invariably have an obligation to assign any patent rights to their employer, who may reward the inventor with whatever he thinks is appropriate. Oftentimes $100 and a plaque.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 06, 2021 01:50 PM (YqDXo)

164 Having said that, we did find doctors who actually practice medicine and are grateful for them.
Posted by: Winston, GOPe, not one dime, not one vote at September 06, 2021 01:43 PM (FtJ1S)


I think my ship came in on being fortunate in getting a heart surgeon who cut through the bullshit and never mentioned me getting vaxxed.

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at September 06, 2021 01:50 PM (y7DUB)

165 in the good news section

Joe's JA is on the rise

Posted by: REDACTED at September 06, 2021 01:50 PM (uCLWI)

166 Anna, in Oregon the flu death went to almost zero in 2020 and remains there.
there are two possibilities, one is the stats are a lie, or the Coof is a engineered influenza vaccine of amazing efficiency

Posted by: Kindltot at September 06, 2021 01:50 PM (HG00O)

167 CAT sounds too smart to be hanging out with the rest of us! Is a shunning in order?

Posted by: Weasel at September 06, 2021 01:50 PM (MVjcR)

168 How much does it cost to make a major movie? A lot. What happens if the movie bombs?

Please watch

Posted by: Shang Tsung and the ten friendhip bracelets at September 06, 2021 01:50 PM (kOpft)

169 I honestly don't want to see my primary care doctor this month. I know she'll try and pressure me into taking a vaccine. I'm not willing to do it right now. If they want more people to take it, they have to drop the mask nonsense. For the most part, that seems to be what they won't give up.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at September 06, 2021 01:50 PM (YynYJ)

170 Good analysis of the situation. Not much debate anywhere in therms of pros and cons, seems similar to the climate change debate. Talking points useful for pushing an agenda.

Posted by: Uncle Si at September 06, 2021 01:51 PM (azhRd)

171 And that's another factor that people do not understand (and laugh in your face if you bring it up).

Countries with "socialized medicine" demand that pharmaceutical companies sell them the medicine for less, sometimes down to cost or less, to drive their costs down. Big Pharma has to make that up somewhere, so they gouge Americans to get the profits up.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 06, 2021 01:49 PM (KZzsI)
-------------------

Thank you for fielding this question. I should have answer on autotext by now.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 06, 2021 01:51 PM (YqDXo)

172 Conclusion: Our study enlightens the candidature of ivermectin as an effective drug for treating COVID-19.

I strongly suspect that other nations (ones with socialized medicine) will lead the charge to cheaper treatments and low cost solutions first. The USA will be yelling and screaming about getting "vaccinated" while Britain and other nations are going "OK Yank" and giving out HCQ and Ivermectin.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 06, 2021 01:51 PM (KZzsI)

173 Zantac is back - this time with Famotidine.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 06, 2021 01:52 PM (63Dwl)

174 Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 06, 2021 01:45 PM (YqDXo)

Nah, just poking fun over last night's discussion.

Posted by: Methos at September 06, 2021 01:52 PM (kOpft)

175 So the value of drugs is determined by the labor that went into failed drugs?
Posted by: Methos at September 06, 2021 01:41 PM (kOpft)


Labor is an input, a sunk cost. It will never be recovered. Value is in its utility and demand

Posted by: Kindltot at September 06, 2021 01:52 PM (HG00O)

176 166 Anna, in Oregon the flu death went to almost zero in 2020 and remains there.
there are two possibilities, one is the stats are a lie, or the Coof is a engineered influenza vaccine of amazing efficiency
Posted by: Kindltot at September 06, 2021 01:50 PM (HG00O)
-----------------

IIRC, the CDC now counts influenza and Covid together as Covid deaths.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 06, 2021 01:52 PM (YqDXo)

177 As far as I see Big Pharma has 0 liability in these " Vax" being pushed.

Posted by: Skip's Phone at September 06, 2021 01:52 PM (zWovM)

178 CAT sounds too smart to be hanging out with the rest of us! Is a shunning in order?

Smart people frequently have a good income, which means they can buy more beer to share. Think, man, think!

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com. Not insurgents, counterrevolutionaries. at September 06, 2021 01:53 PM (SchxB)

179 Please watch

Shang Chi opened, eh, not terrible, but has gone down rather rapidly in the months that followed.

I mean... its a martial art movie, that's not exactly groundbreaking or special. And despite the ludicrous pre-release hype by the usual purchased suspects, its not a huge triumph. Reviewers I trust are saying that its pretty good, but not wonderful and Shang Chi is kind of overshadowed by women in the film.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 06, 2021 01:53 PM (KZzsI)

180 Jay so the CDC is cooking the books to inflate Wuhan Flu deaths.

Isn't this called doing an Enron?

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 06, 2021 01:53 PM (3798x)

181 Senile Joe should be in the group of most vulnerable people.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at September 06, 2021 01:53 PM (iSGuv)

182 Not only flu deaths are counted as Covid, but also deaths from gunshot, road pancake syndrome, being hit by meteors and many more.

Posted by: Ruthless at September 06, 2021 01:53 PM (/uaBM)

183 As far as I see Big Pharma has 0 liability in these " Vax" being pushed.
Posted by: Skip's Phone at September 06, 2021 01:52 PM (zWovM)

Waived I'm sure. Just like hospital's liability while sticking to protocol.

Posted by: Golfman at September 06, 2021 01:53 PM (hOMhY)

184 IIRC, the CDC now counts influenza and Covid together as Covid deaths.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 06, 2021 01:52 PM (YqDXo)

IIRC, the test used to ID China virus suffers from false positives with normal influenza infections. There's money in calling it China virus. Thus, influenza disappeared from the accounting.

Posted by: flounder at September 06, 2021 01:54 PM (KnJdm)

185 White House: Free Money Is Over, Ask Your State For More

WH Chief of Staff Ron Klain: "These benefits expire under law this coming week and we think that states have the tools they need to help people move from unemployment to employment."

https://tinyurl.com/35b65fhx

Posted by: SMH - The War has been won, only the battles remain, as usual at September 06, 2021 01:54 PM (G0h3n)

186 Labor is an input, a sunk cost. It will never be recovered.

Yeah, when I write or illustrate my work, I just assume that was entertainment and cost is only what it actually takes me out of pocket to produce something (very little). If I charged for labor, I'd never make any money at all and have to ask like $75 for a book.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 06, 2021 01:54 PM (KZzsI)

187 Pro tip: It's not a vaccine if you can still get covid and die from it.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at September 06, 2021 01:54 PM (JUOKG)

188 Smart people frequently have a good income, which means they can buy more beer to share. Think, man, think!
Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com. Not insurgents, counterrevolutionaries. at September 06, 2021 01:53 PM (SchxB)
------
Great point. But we're watching you, Mr. Dr. Trophy!

Posted by: Weasel at September 06, 2021 01:54 PM (MVjcR)

189 It is all about power and money.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at September 06, 2021 01:55 PM (YglAn)

190 That jobs report scared them.

"Get to work, peons!"

Posted by: SMH - The War has been won, only the battles remain, as usual at September 06, 2021 01:55 PM (G0h3n)

191 Weasel I often wonder what people here do for living. Only a small portion are known if your paying attention.

Posted by: Skip's Phone at September 06, 2021 01:55 PM (zWovM)

192 Isn't this called doing an Enron?

"I'm sure I have no idea what you are talking about"
--Paul Krugman

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 06, 2021 01:55 PM (KZzsI)

193 127 I still am not clear on what happened in Italy.
Posted by: megthered

One big factor is that in most places, hospitals are not equipped for a lot of people needing ICU at once. Compound that with the PPE needed and isolation, and 20 sick people in one hospital can look like armageddon.

I see this as a typical flu in terms of mortality, but what is unique is that it is novel. So with most flu, only a small percentage get the flu. most have some existing immunity due to past infections, and so maybe 10% are vulnerable. Because this is novel, it spreads quicker and wider and everyone gets it. We are seeing the mortality of a single flu strain, but compressed into one or two years.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at September 06, 2021 01:55 PM (rPRtO)

194 Best.
Letter.
Ever.

Posted by: John Donley at September 06, 2021 01:55 PM (cth4g)

195 174 Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 06, 2021 01:45 PM (YqDXo)

Nah, just poking fun over last night's discussion.
Posted by: Methos at September 06, 2021 01:52 PM (kOpft)
----------------------

I figured, and just thought I'd comment in the same spirit.

It astonishes me that anyone took Karl Marx seriously. Labor theory of value? It's puerile. Is a pothole fixed with a skiploader of asphalt less valuable than one fixed by a crew shoveling in asphalt by hand?

Pfft. It's ridiculous. If you stub your toe on a gold nugget, will you get paid less for the nugget than if you dug it out of the ground?

Even as an undergraduate on reading Das Kapital I thought it ridiculous: "This] is what all the kerfuffle is about?"

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 06, 2021 01:55 PM (YqDXo)

196 Shang Chi opened, eh, not terrible, but has gone down rather rapidly in the months* that followed.

*days

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 06, 2021 01:55 PM (KZzsI)

197 The way to get people back to work is to cut off the free money and kick their asses out to fill one of the millions of open positions now available. Small businesses are dying for lack of staffing. This is insanity.

Posted by: Ruthless at September 06, 2021 01:56 PM (/uaBM)

198 Thank you for the well thought out post CAT. If our journalists were not mostly dumb and lazy they'd be asking questions like this. And because big tech and the FNM censor and mock those who question whether young people should get this vaccine wild theories like "the vaccine is going to kill everyone who got it in 2-5 years" end up getting repeated and seeming valid.

I read something like "60% of hospitalized in Israel were vaccinated" That sounds quite scary but out of what % of population was vaccinated? 80%? 90%? And the overalll #s in hospital with covid doesn't sound bad for their population but there doesn't seem to be any honest reporter reporting of their % in hospital vs other countries; does Israel encourage docs to prescribe treatments before people get seriously sick or are they repeating the U.S. CDC bullshit? etc etc.

In a sane world I'd think we would be hearing and reading "If you are over XX years, or you have type 2 diabetes, you should get vaccinated. If you are XX to XX years discuss risks vs benefits with your doctor.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply Irredeemable at September 06, 2021 01:56 PM (1KD/n)

199 Dude! I am the content.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at September 06, 2021 01:57 PM (YbnlO)

200 >>> Many people are too ignorant and stupid to understand this, and simply assume that drugs should be priced based on the manufacturing costs.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 06, 2021 01:33 PM (Q9lwr)


Commercial aircraft have priced into their costs major upfront R&D plus a large series of regulatory analysis and testing that continues beyond being granted type certificate and people flying in their aircraft. But no one bases commercial aircraft price and program cost on risk of total program loss. Losing just one program can kill an entire company. Now defense contractors do because they can lose bids or have the whole program canceled at any time. And as a result their costs can be an order of magnitude higher.

But no commercial aircraft program is allowed out of preliminary gates if there's not a perceived 100% chance of entry into market. Every regulatory hurdle, every risk has a formally agreed-upon path to address. Boy we don't know if we'll pass our strength ultimate test, or maybe the FBO test will fail, YOLO! Any designer that proposed that would be out on his can within the hour.

Pharmaceuticals shouldn't operate in this manner.

Posted by: banana Dream at September 06, 2021 01:57 PM (ZOfsH)

201 191 Weasel I often wonder what people here do for living. Only a small portion are known if your paying attention.
Posted by: Skip's Phone at September 06, 2021 01:55 PM (zWovM)
----
Me too, but I knew Dr. T was a doc. I'm in finance - no way near smart enough for doctorin'!

Posted by: Weasel at September 06, 2021 01:58 PM (MVjcR)

202
Do they still teach the law of unintended consequences at universities anymore?

Posted by: will choose a nic later at September 06, 2021 01:58 PM (bTQ72)

203 Captain Hate
My friend needed a mastectomy. Her second plus she'd had a very rare cancer also. The doctor we found, this after Inslee's decree that cancer procedures were, "Elective", agreed to do it. His statement was that, "Jay Inslee didn't practice medicine in this hospital, I do".
Everything went well. A couple of other surgeries followed plus chemo.
We broke up after all of that.

Posted by: Winston, GOPe, not one dime, not one vote at September 06, 2021 01:59 PM (FtJ1S)

204 180 Jay so the CDC is cooking the books to inflate Wuhan Flu deaths.

Isn't this called doing an Enron?
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 06, 2021 01:53 PM (3798x)
-----------------

I'm not a physician, but my understanding (from someone here who is much more knowledgeable than I) is that the CDC does not count influenza deaths, but merely estimates them by extrapolation from selected data. My understanding further is that distinguishing influenza from Covid is not straightforward.

If my understanding here is correct, it makes sense to count the two together even in the absence of political pressure.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 06, 2021 01:59 PM (YqDXo)

205 It would be interesting to know who we are. I wonder how many of us are FBI informers, or Bob at NSA? Probably a few. Perhaps more than a few.

*looks around nervously*

Posted by: Ruthless at September 06, 2021 01:59 PM (/uaBM)

206 thank you dr cat ass trophy

Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 06, 2021 01:59 PM (CqHIp)

207 >>197 The way to get people back to work is to cut off the free money and kick their asses out
Posted by: Ruthless at September 06, 2021 01:56 PM (/uaBM)

The way to get people back to work is to beat them into submission or threaten their loved ones.

Sheesh. The blog's gotten soft.

Posted by: ZOD at September 06, 2021 01:59 PM (xK9An)

208 My primary care doc didn't even mention the jab. We have debated the regular flu shot for years and she never won, so she just skipped over the covid jab, even though she is all in on it. My cardiologist never mentioned it and I asked his nurse about it. She just said it was up to the primary care physician of each individual patient. Each patient could decide for themselves. I know The OSU will at least require a test for me when I go for my pacemaker replacement. Thats all they will get, if that.

Posted by: megthered at September 06, 2021 02:00 PM (BWC4b)

209 White House: Free Money Is Over, Ask Your State For More

WH Chief of Staff Ron Klain: "These benefits expire under law this coming week and we think that states have the tools they need to help people move from unemployment to employment."


This should help end that labor shortage we've been having.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com. Not insurgents, counterrevolutionaries. at September 06, 2021 02:00 PM (SchxB)

210 I just read a meme about four places where Texans are hiding in your home. I had to read it three times before I realized it said toxins.
Time to see the optometrist.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at September 06, 2021 02:00 PM (iSGuv)

211 Labor is an input, a sunk cost. It will never be recovered.

I was responding to a comment that seemed to indicate that big pharma is entitled to recover its sunk costs not only for the thing we're buying but for all the things they couldn't sell. My point being that it's odd that only big pharma gets this consideration *for some reason*.

Posted by: Methos at September 06, 2021 02:01 PM (kOpft)

212 My understanding further is that distinguishing influenza from Covid is not straightforward.

A few weeks ago the CDC admitted that their standard test does not tell the difference between the two. They claimed they are setting up a better test that will, but we'll see.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 06, 2021 02:01 PM (KZzsI)

213 It would be interesting to know who we are. I wonder how many of us are FBI informers, or Bob at NSA? Probably a few.

I'm guessing at least one semi-prominent commenter is yeah.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 06, 2021 02:02 PM (KZzsI)

214 My doctor (and I only have one and see him every six months for a set of labs) adamantly advised against the vaccine. The other doctors around town hate him and say bad things about him. They are sheep and he is a shepherd.

Posted by: Ruthless at September 06, 2021 02:02 PM (/uaBM)

215 I honestly don't want to see my primary care doctor this month. I know she'll try and pressure me into taking a vaccine. I'm not willing to do it right now. If they want more people to take it, they have to drop the mask nonsense. For the most part, that seems to be what they won't give up.
Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at September 06, 2021 01:50 PM (YynYJ)


"I can tell you are concerned about my health, but I am concerned about my family's history of auto-immune diseases. Can you prescribe me Ivermectin as a preventative until there is more than a year's data in on the side effects of the mRNA therapy on various classes of auto-immune diseases?
This is what actual medical researchers are suggesting: "

Posted by: Kindltot at September 06, 2021 02:02 PM (HG00O)

216 A lot of Chinese from Wuhan work in the Italian leather trade.

Non-stop flights from Wuhan to Milan.

Posted by: JAS, AoSHQ addict at September 06, 2021 02:03 PM (xopIz)

217 [iDude! I am the content.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy

Since you're still here, may I draw your attention to the question in @16? How do people who have been neither vaccinated nor Covid-infected stack up in terms of Delta infection rates to those in either of the two categories? Thanks.

Posted by: pep at September 06, 2021 02:03 PM (ZsR3z)

218 Part of the problem is Biden grabbed onto the vaccines as the way to fulfill his "I'll defeat the virus!" campaign promise like a drowning man grabbing a life ring.

Bug-Out Joe's plan to defeat the virus without vaccines was simply to impose mask and lockdown mandates nationwide until the virus gave up or something. Science? Hah! Nothing but politics and optics from the "science-followers."

Posted by: Gref at September 06, 2021 02:03 PM (AMIL/)

219

BTQ, there are nekked pics of Oregon Governor Kate Brown on the internet [pics dated in 2020]

Posted by: will choose a nic later at September 06, 2021 02:03 PM (bTQ72)

220 Winston,

Sorry it didn't work out after all that. Good for the surgeon for countermanding Inslee's witless decree.

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at September 06, 2021 02:03 PM (y7DUB)

221 As long as we discuss this like there's some kind of science or medical solution, the more freedoms we'll have taken away from us.

The China Coof is a political op that feeds on fear. Pure and simple.

Posted by: Justsayin' at September 06, 2021 02:03 PM (Fs5vw)

222 Hear, hear, Dr. CAT.

Posted by: m at September 06, 2021 02:04 PM (nzEdf)

223 The hampsters keep eating my comment. I even washed it through Notepad, but the furry little monsters are hungry, I guess.

Posted by: pookysgirl, perplexed at September 06, 2021 02:04 PM (XKZwp)

224 Posted by: ZOD at September 06, 2021 01:59 PM (xK9An)

Email me.

It is commanded.

cbd dot aoshq at gee mail dot com

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 06, 2021 02:04 PM (Q9lwr)

225 But, within months of isolating SARS COV-2, we not only have a vaccine against a coronavirus

Apparently no one reads JJ Sefton's Morning Report.

The Bad And The Ugly About COVID In America

https://bit.ly/3n4SdTO

1) The COVID-19 death count has been artificially elevated to maximize fear.
2) The PCR test for COVID-19 is flawed in many ways and led to overcounting cases. Two weeks ago, the CDC and FDA quietly said they would abandon the PCR test for COVID-19 in December 2021, acknowledging it did not work. [ ... ] They also alluded to the fact that the PCR test could not distinguish between COVID and the flu. The CDC and FDA also now admit that they did not have any physical samples of the COVID-19 virus so they used common cold Coronaviruses and human cells to make a less accurate test. Covid-19 testing has been inaccurate and ramped up cases for fear.

Posted by: Tall Cool Gentleman in a Black Suit at September 06, 2021 02:04 PM (Do5/p)

226 My PCP tried the "You will be dead in six months" bullshit.

Nope.

I live in a small city in the South. My opinion of these quacks has really gone south.

Posted by: JAS, AoSHQ addict at September 06, 2021 02:04 PM (xopIz)

227 There ain't much to inform on here.... I think that's a good thing. I mean, c'mon man, everyone knows my favorite band is Blue Oyster Cult. That's hardly subversive. (That fact or the band.)

Posted by: SFGoth (KAi1n) at September 06, 2021 02:04 PM (KAi1n)

228 Trump told us this wS not a big problem and wS under control
Only 22 people have it ND they are all getting better
It was Rey Ll only fake news
And
We are winning in Afghanistan
Posted by: Kurt at September 06, 2021 01:59 PM (Kh7vK)

Wut? Free-basing on a Monday afternoon is no way to go thru life, son...

Posted by: Boswell at September 06, 2021 02:04 PM (5iUNf)

229 >>Email me. It is commanded.
cbd dot aoshq at gee mail dot com
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 06, 2021 02:04 PM (Q9lwr)

Will do.

Posted by: ZOD at September 06, 2021 02:05 PM (xK9An)

230 BTQ, there are nekked pics of Oregon Governor Kate Brown on the internet [pics dated in 2020]

Pass.

Posted by: pep at September 06, 2021 02:05 PM (ZsR3z)

231 Since the virus is constantly evolving into new strains, it may be that the original version was far more deadly. That would explain the reaction in Wuhan, as well as in Italy where it appeared quickly. Then it became less dangerous as it spread to other places. I do not play a doctor on TV, though.

Posted by: Ruthless at September 06, 2021 02:05 PM (/uaBM)

232 My doctor (and I only have one and see him every six months for a set of labs) adamantly advised against the vaccine. The other doctors around town hate him and say bad things about him. They are sheep and he is a shepherd.

That's smart doc you got there. I've got a CNP here. She's telling me after recovering from the coof that I should not get the vaxx. Since I wasn't planning on it anyways, we get along pretty well.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com. Not insurgents, counterrevolutionaries. at September 06, 2021 02:05 PM (SchxB)

233 The problem with GP (your basic doctor at the clinic) is that they're not exactly experts and are at the low end of the doctor range. I don't mean that to disparage them, they know more than I do. I just mean that on the scale of learning and expertise, the GP is down at the pre-sous-chef level of skill. The guy that's picking the thyme so that the cooks can get the job done.

They don't know a lot about most things, as they're primarily there for stuff like "yep that's a broken leg" and "you have shingles". Anything more complicated and you go to an expert. Even pregnancy they identify, then send you to an expert. I say you, since I'm a guy.

So when it comes to things like Ivermectin and the Wuhan Flu, they know about as much as you do, from social media and watching TV.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 06, 2021 02:05 PM (KZzsI)

234 The Bad And The Ugly About COVID In America

https://bit.ly/3n4SdTO

3) The new mRNA vaccines are far from safe. While the VAERS reporting system now has over 10,000 deaths (EU 20,000 deaths) after the vaccine, a whistleblower with the CDC says the actual count is closer to 50,000 and not being reported. Adverse reactions, including anaphylaxis, blood clots, neurologic injury, and spontaneous abortion have approached 650,000 patients in the USA. After only eight months of vaccination, longer-term side effects remain unknown. Instead of a push to vaccinate everyone, the vaccination program should be stopped.

4) The mRNA vaccine is not safe in pregnant women. An article in the New England Medical Journal showed a rate of spontaneous abortion of 12% which is close to what is normally expected and the conclusion was the vaccine was safe to give. However, the study was skewed to include mostly women in the third trimester (84%). The remaining women in the 1st and 2nd trimesters had a 75% spontaneous abortion rate (96 out of 127). (See the footnotes to Table 4 in the article). The CDC also tried to hide this. Pregnant women should not take the experimental vaccine.

Posted by: Tall Cool Gentleman in a Black Suit at September 06, 2021 02:05 PM (Do5/p)

235 BTQ, there are nekked pics of Oregon Governor Kate Brown on the internet

The goggles do nothing

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 06, 2021 02:06 PM (KZzsI)

236 Study the difference between Sweden and Israel and there is your 20/20 hindsight answer.

Posted by: Just a side note at September 06, 2021 02:07 PM (FeOTH)

237 Shot:
>>> I just read a meme about four places where Texans are hiding in your home. I had to read it three times before I realized it said toxins.
Time to see the optometrist.
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at September 06, 2021 02:00 PM (iSGuv)


Chaser
>>> BTQ, there are nekked pics of Oregon Governor Kate Brown on the internet [pics dated in 2020]
Posted by: will choose a nic later at September 06, 2021 02:03 PM (bTQ72)



Posted by: banana Dream at September 06, 2021 02:07 PM (ZOfsH)

238 BTQ, there are nekked pics of Oregon Governor Kate Brown on the internet [pics dated in 2020]

Are they being offered as an appetite suppressant?

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com. Not insurgents, counterrevolutionaries. at September 06, 2021 02:07 PM (SchxB)

239 Pfft. It's ridiculous. If you stub your toe on a gold nugget, will you get paid less for the nugget than if you dug it out of the ground?

Probably not, even if you tell your buyer how little effort you put into it, since he's probably going to be more interested in reselling it, maybe in another form. However, the money exchanged could wind up being less because *you* know you didn't put much effort into getting it so you're more willing to part with it (see every thieving / fencing operation ever).

Posted by: Methos at September 06, 2021 02:07 PM (kOpft)

240 222 As long as we discuss this like there's some kind of science or medical solution, the more freedoms we'll have taken away from us.

The China Coof is a political op that feeds on fear. Pure and simple.
Posted by: Justsayin' at September 06, 2021 02:03 PM (Fs5vw

China saw what Russian collusion did.

The Dems said, " Let us hold your beer."

Posted by: Golfman at September 06, 2021 02:08 PM (hOMhY)

241 Drink your Ovaltine Ivermectin.

Posted by: JAS, AoSHQ addict at September 06, 2021 02:08 PM (xopIz)

242 Captain Hate
Thanks but after two years of being her sole caregiver. None of her family or friends were available, it was just too damn much work for no reward.
It was tiresome.

Posted by: Winston, GOPe, not one dime, not one vote at September 06, 2021 02:08 PM (FtJ1S)

243 I was responding to a comment that seemed to indicate that big pharma is entitled to recover its sunk costs not only for the thing we're buying but for all the things they couldn't sell. My point being that it's odd that only big pharma gets this consideration *for some reason*.
Posted by: Methos at September 06, 2021 02:01 PM (kOpft)
--------------------

I don't understand. Every going concern does that.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 06, 2021 02:08 PM (YqDXo)

244 The Bad And The Ugly About COVID In America

https://bit.ly/3n4SdTO

6) Antibody Dependent Enhancement ("ADE") may be happening. One initial concern about making a Coronavirus vaccine was ADE. Now reports are beginning to come in from countries that are heavily vaccinated, such as Israel, that vaccinated people are getting sick and may have more serious illnesses than those not vaccinated. If the death rate of the vaccinated is higher than the unvaccinated this would be very scary.

7) The mRNA vaccines are not 95% effective as touted. Efficacy is likely closer to 40-70% but more data is needed. Reports coming in from Israel and states like Massachusetts show high numbers of vaccinated people (over 50%) in the hospital with COVID-19. Those that chose vaccination now looking at endless booster injections (the same vaccine that did not work very well the first time?) every six months.

Posted by: Tall Cool Gentleman in a Black Suit at September 06, 2021 02:09 PM (Do5/p)

245 There ain't much to inform on here.... I think that's a good thing. I mean, c'mon man, everyone knows my favorite band is Blue Oyster Cult. That's hardly subversive. (That fact or the band.)
Posted by: SFGoth (KAi1n) at September 06, 2021 02:04 PM (KAi1n)

Don't fear the Reavers.

Posted by: River Tam at September 06, 2021 02:09 PM (4I/2K)

246 I just read a meme about four places where Texans are hiding in your home. I had to read it three times before I realized it said toxins.

The wife and I have a running joke about the old Chinese lady living under the sink. She's responsible for anything weird that happens at our house. The joke is based on a real story from maybe 20 years ago, where a couple actually found an old Chinese woman living under their sink in the house they bought.

Posted by: pep at September 06, 2021 02:09 PM (ZsR3z)

247 I was responding to a comment that seemed to indicate that big pharma is entitled to recover its sunk costs not only for the thing we're buying but for all the things they couldn't sell.

Well they kind of have to, or they close and stop making any product.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 06, 2021 02:09 PM (KZzsI)

248 Excellent post, thank you. I'm actually a bit surprised this was allowed to be posted here.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at September 06, 2021 02:09 PM (DXFDM)

249 BTQ, there are nekked pics of Oregon Governor Kate Brown on the internet


Get it off me! Get it off me!

Posted by: The Internet at September 06, 2021 02:09 PM (786Ro)

250 *H/T to Texas*

Heartbeat (1981)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoZCANbmJJY

Posted by: SMH - The War has been won, only the battles remain, as usual at September 06, 2021 02:09 PM (G0h3n)

251 >>Are they being offered as an appetite suppressant?
Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com. Not insurgents, counterrevolutionaries. at September 06, 2021 02:07 PM (SchxB)

This is the part where the fast-talking ad warning guy does his thing...

Posted by: ZOD at September 06, 2021 02:10 PM (xK9An)

252 239 BTQ, there are nekked pics of Oregon Governor Kate Brown on the internet [pics dated in 2020]

Are they being offered as an appetite suppressant?
Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com. Not insurgents, counterrevolutionaries. at September 06, 2021 02:07 PM (SchxB)
---------------

Antidote to Viagra.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 06, 2021 02:10 PM (YqDXo)

253 *goes to check under sink*

Posted by: Ruthless at September 06, 2021 02:10 PM (/uaBM)

254 My doc was NOT AT ALL HAPPY that I refused the shot. He would not even allow that maybe, maybe, there was room for caution.

My employer keeps sending out threatening emails but they won't come right out and require it, since the governor said no state agency can do that. But they want to. They really want to.

Posted by: Texican ette at September 06, 2021 02:10 PM (8TfZ+)

255 Dude! I am the content.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy


*****

Hey gang! Let's start a cult of personality!!

Posted by: Muldoon at September 06, 2021 02:10 PM (m45I2)

256 As someone who has already had the Pinko Pox, I am in much greater danger taking the jabs than I would be if I had not had it. As Doctor Cat notes, there is a huge problem with antibody dependent enhancement
... and also a huge problem with leaky vaccines in the midst of a so-called pandemic. So called because the CDC declared Last Summer that it was no longer a pandemic or even an epidemic ... but that announcement disappeared like a burp in the Wind.

Posted by: Beverly at September 06, 2021 02:10 PM (0L5IO)

257 I want to be imprisioned in an Australian Concentration Camp, but I can't travel there without getting a shot.

What a conundrum.

Posted by: Regular joe at September 06, 2021 02:10 PM (L9P9s)

258 Hey gang! Let's start a cult of personality!!
Posted by: Muldoon
___

If you're not Jesus, that's a no-go.

Posted by: SMH - The War has been won, only the battles remain, as usual at September 06, 2021 02:11 PM (G0h3n)

259 I have one autoimmune disease. They were concerned that I might be at risk for RA too. It just seems risky to me.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at September 06, 2021 02:11 PM (YynYJ)

260 Regular Joe: Don't worry, there will soon be a concentration camp conveniently located near you. No need to go to Australia.

Posted by: Ruthless at September 06, 2021 02:12 PM (/uaBM)

261 I'm actually a bit surprised this was allowed to be posted here.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at September 06, 2021 02:09 PM (DXFDM)

Then you really don't know much about Ace and the cobloggers.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 06, 2021 02:12 PM (Q9lwr)

262 I want to be imprisoned in an Australian concentration camp, but I can't travel there without getting a shot.

What a conundrum.

Posted by: Regular joe
___

lol

Posted by: SMH - The War has been won, only the battles remain, as usual at September 06, 2021 02:12 PM (G0h3n)

263 Hey gang! Let's start a cult of personality!!
Posted by: Muldoon
___

If you're not Jesus, that's a no-go.
Posted by: SMH - The War has been won, only the battles remain, as usual at September 06, 2021 02:11 PM (

I don't have a personality.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at September 06, 2021 02:12 PM (iSGuv)

264 Great post. Well thought out and presented.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at September 06, 2021 02:12 PM (OU+8W)

265 >>255 My doc was NOT AT ALL HAPPY that I refused the shot. He would not even allow that maybe, maybe, there was room for caution. Posted by: Texican ette at September 06, 2021 02:10 PM (8TfZ+)

Prior to getting the Pfizer vaccine in July, my pick-an-MD local provider gave me the "you should because..." rundown. This would've been in May. "I've heard the propaganda, thanks" ended the conversation. He seemed uninteresting.

Posted by: ZOD at September 06, 2021 02:12 PM (xK9An)

266 JAS that was funny

Posted by: Skip's Phone at September 06, 2021 02:12 PM (zWovM)

267 18 the Wuhan Flu, objectively, scientifically, and factually, is not all that deadly. Which makes you wonder why on earth Italy was having all these supposed deaths, and why China freaked out so badly in Wuhan.

The stuff we saw happening in these two places does not match up with the .05 average lethality rate that we know of (even including the bogus death stats in the US).
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 06, 2021 01:18 PM (KZzsI)

Nicely put. This is critical. I had thought, in Wuhan, it was the proximity to Ground Zero of the virus-production site.

Posted by: m at September 06, 2021 02:12 PM (nzEdf)

268 What a conundrum.

Is that similar to a didgeridoo?

Posted by: pep at September 06, 2021 02:12 PM (ZsR3z)

269 We have a doc in our town who is famous for being an anti-vaxxer. He is also the number one proponent of getting the Covid shots and has been aggressively pushing them. I actually got mail from him to come in and get my shots.

Posted by: Emmie at September 06, 2021 02:13 PM (6RgRK)

270 Deep fake video or the real deal?
West Va Governor giving covid stats for his state
https://tinyurl.com/w6meym68

Posted by: Fool Otto at September 06, 2021 02:14 PM (DB16e)

271 Then you really don't know much about Ace and the cobloggers.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
___

Then again, some of us know too much...

Posted by: SMH - The War has been won, only the battles remain, as usual at September 06, 2021 02:14 PM (G0h3n)

272 What a conundrum.

Is that similar to a didgeridoo?
Posted by: pep at September 06, 2021 02:12 PM (ZsR3z)

The time/space conundrum.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at September 06, 2021 02:14 PM (iSGuv)

273 Kurt must have an aging iPad keypad where he hits the capslock instead of "a" and the ignorant choad never proofreads.

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at September 06, 2021 02:14 PM (y7DUB)

274 new one. blank

Posted by: pep at September 06, 2021 02:14 PM (ZsR3z)

275 The outback Gulag in Australia won't be as nice as California building the high speed rail

Posted by: Skip's Phone at September 06, 2021 02:14 PM (zWovM)

276 I was taking Ivermectin and still have a supply, but when I reached three score and ten, and looked at family responsibilities, I got the Janssen (J&J) vaccine last month.

Expect a less severe infection. If I get it. I think Dr. CAT would concur. Still have my Ivermectin.

Posted by: JM in Florida - Behold the Manchurian Candidate at September 06, 2021 02:15 PM (HCeRP)

277 a conundrum

Duh, that's what elementary schools teach kids to put on bananas.

Posted by: Getting the banned back together at September 06, 2021 02:15 PM (bAdgC)

278 Do they still teach the law of unintended consequences at universities anymore?
Posted by: will choose a nic

That might lead to unforeseen results.

Posted by: Academician Miklos at September 06, 2021 02:15 PM (QzkSJ)

279 16 Perhaps I missed it, but how does the Delta infection rate compare for those who have neither been vaccinated nor had Covid?
__________________________

You noticed that fastball too?

Posted by: MW at September 06, 2021 02:15 PM (u33s0)

280 A conundrum is used by primitive people to signal warnings when Conan is approaching. Big suckers and they beat them with tree limbs. Or the limbs of their defeated enemies, whichever is handiest.

Posted by: Ruthless at September 06, 2021 02:15 PM (/uaBM)

281 Great post, Cat Ass.

(Where else would you see a comment like that?!)

Posted by: rhomboid at September 06, 2021 02:15 PM (WbJ4p)

282 Nood

Posted by: flounder at September 06, 2021 02:15 PM (KnJdm)

283 a whistleblower with the CDC says the actual count is closer to 50,000 and not being reported. Adverse reactions, including anaphylaxis, blood clots, neurologic injury, and spontaneous abortion have approached 650,000 patients in the USA.

"Spontaneous abortions" really should be counted as jab induced deaths, not other adverse reactions.

Posted by: Methos at September 06, 2021 02:16 PM (kOpft)

284 Dr. CAT -- if you read the FDA's formal announcement re the "approval" of the Pfizer shots with a lawyer's eye, you will see that the

FDA HAS ONLY "APPROVED " THE EXTENSION OF THE EUA.

FDA REGS: Five deaths associated with a vaccine automatically trigger a BLACK BOX WARNNG.

25 deaths? Automatic WITHDRAWAL of the vax from the market.

The CDC's VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System) already shows over 12,000 deaths.

See what they did here?

Posted by: Beverly at September 06, 2021 02:17 PM (0L5IO)

285 Hey gang! Let's start a cult of personality!!
Posted by: Muldoon

I humbly accept the Will of the People.

Posted by: Miklos I at September 06, 2021 02:17 PM (QzkSJ)

286
IF YOU HAVE AND ERECTION FOR MORE THAT 4 HOURS FROM VIARA YOU COULD LOOK AT NEKKED GOV KATE BROWN PICS RATHER THAN SEE YOUR DOCTOR!

NEKKED INTERNET PICS ARE FREE !!

Posted by: BEN ROTHLESBURGEER ! at September 06, 2021 02:17 PM (bTQ72)

287 I don't understand. Every going concern does that.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 06, 2021 02:08 PM (YqDXo)


Current theory is that you don't recover sunk costs, you only calculate them as a loss against earnings, at whatever time period you decide.
Part of the entrepreneurial calculation is whether initial costs will be recouped, and if not, what benefit is being gained from the cost.

(I need to keep my crew earning money or else they will leave for other companies and then to get the next contract I will be stuck with the cost of training and integrating a new crew is one example)

Posted by: Kindltot at September 06, 2021 02:17 PM (HG00O)

288 277 a conundrum

Duh, that's what elementary schools teach kids to put on bananas.
Posted by: Getting the banned back together at September 06, 2021 02:15 PM (bAdgC)
-----------------

Whereas a didgeridoo requires batteries.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 06, 2021 02:18 PM (YqDXo)

289 A thoughtful rant, Cat.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 06, 2021 02:18 PM (1dy3Z)

290 Great post. Well thought out and presented.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at September 06, 2021 02:12 PM (OU+8W)

Dr. CAT, that is a lucid, intelligent, well thought-out post.
[firm tone] Overruled.

Posted by: Judge Chamberlain Fauci, Chief Defender of the Narrative at September 06, 2021 02:18 PM (4I/2K)

291 Cat Ass Trophy,

Add me to the list of people grateful for this post.

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at September 06, 2021 02:19 PM (y7DUB)

292 Current theory is that you don't recover sunk costs, you only calculate them as a loss against earnings, at whatever time period you decide.
---------------------

Sure. It's a linguistic problem. You don't recover literally sunk costs, but you make enough money elsewhere to cover them. How's that?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 06, 2021 02:19 PM (YqDXo)

293 >>> The wife and I have a running joke about the old Chinese lady living under the sink. She's responsible for anything weird that happens at our house. The joke is based on a real story from maybe 20 years ago, where a couple actually found an old Chinese woman living under their sink in the house they bought.Posted by: pep at September 06, 2021 02:09 PM (ZsR3z)


My wife and I were looking at houses in Wichita about 13 years ago and stopped at this one decent house in riverside, for sale by owner. The owner was showing us around. In Wichita an important thing is the basement; is it a flooded mess or have the owners paid megabucks to secure it? So we asked. Well, the owner decided to tell us a story about how a retired medicine man used to live there and kept his insane indian wife down there. You could hear the screams all across the neighborhoods and apparently, you could still see the nail marks where she tried to claw herself out before she died.

"Oh thanks sir, my wife and are just stepping out for a moment to discuss how much we love your amazing house" I said as we both backed out of the house, ran to our car, and peeled out leaving two lines of rubber on the street.

Posted by: banana Dream at September 06, 2021 02:20 PM (ZOfsH)

294 I don't understand. Every going concern does that.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 06, 2021 02:08 PM (YqDXo)

Right, as a mathematical matter it is necessary for a business to stay in business. Again folks seemed resistant to this idea last night (probably because it didn't fit the argument they wanted to have).

Posted by: Methos at September 06, 2021 02:20 PM (kOpft)

295 Weasel, I thought you were a gun-runner! (Everybody knows the farm is just a cover op...) Finance. Now my girlish illusions have been shattered.

Posted by: Sabrina Chase at September 06, 2021 02:20 PM (BSV0x)

296 8 the Wuhan Flu, objectively, scientifically, and factually, is not all that deadly. Which makes you wonder why on earth Italy was having all these supposed deaths, and why China freaked out so badly in Wuhan.

The stuff we saw happening in these two places does not match up with the .05 average lethality rate that we know of (even including the bogus death stats in the US).
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 06, 2021 01:18 PM (KZzsI)

Nicely put. This is critical. I had thought, in Wuhan, it was the proximity to Ground Zero of the virus-production site.


Makes me wonder if more than one thing got out of the lab and the coof is actually the least scary.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com. Not insurgents, counterrevolutionaries. at September 06, 2021 02:21 PM (SchxB)

297 105

That footage that people put on the internet along with the video showing folks dropping dead in the street? Which "got through" the most controlled corner of the internet on the planet?

I think it was all part of the op.

Posted by: Methos at September 06, 2021 01:35 PM

Bingo.

Everyone has apparently already forgotten that China was back to normal life in March 2020. Before any Western nation started lockdown policies. Footage all over the internet of that as well. All the "COVID cases" and "COVID deaths"? Using a "test" that couldn't tell the difference between SARS-CoV-2 and influenza.

This has been a Plandemic from the start.

Posted by: Tall Cool Gentleman in a Black Suit at September 06, 2021 02:22 PM (Do5/p)

298 Thanks for your essay, Dr. Trophy. Very interesting and informative.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 06, 2021 02:22 PM (AJzTi)

299 If the death rate of the vaccinated is higher than the unvaccinated this would be very scary.

Well it would be scary if you mindlessly took the jab because it's what TV and government told you to do. Those of us who didn't follow the herd off the cliff are going to be less concerned about it.

Posted by: Methos at September 06, 2021 02:23 PM (kOpft)

300 So, there has been no actual FDA APPROVAL --but you have to look at the formal FDA document, NOT their press release, which is a gross misrepresentation of what they're actually saying.

Please spread the word.

Note that the huge "tell" is that, under a continuing EUA, they're NOT required to issue a Black Box Warning.

See? See how all this works? Coupled with vicious persecution and silencing of actual scientists and doctors trying to research the adverse events resulting from these shots, many of which are life threatening and even fatal.

Posted by: Beverly at September 06, 2021 02:23 PM (0L5IO)

301
Sure. It's a linguistic problem. You don't recover literally sunk costs, but you make enough money elsewhere to cover them. How's that?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 06, 2021 02:19 PM (YqDXo)


As my Grandpa used to say, clear language is clear thought. It is easy to get stuck in dumb actions due to muddy thinking.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 06, 2021 02:23 PM (HG00O)

302 Diethylstilbestrol might be a better example than Thalidomide.

Posted by: m at September 06, 2021 02:24 PM (nzEdf)

303 24 I think it is impossible to over estimate the damage this debacle has caused to government, our institutuons, and medicine.

Government, and the press, have little to no trust amongst the public, both having long ago squandered any credibility whatsoever. This is a horrible development, as much of the legitimacy of any government is based on consent of the governed, and the perception that those institutions are looking out for them; that they are trying, and have at least minimal competency, accountability, and some sort of efficiency.
________________

And just think what's going to happen 5 or 10 years from now, if all these people who got vaccinated find out that they're getting cancers and other diseases because the vaccines did permanent damage to their immune systems.

The vaccines that their government and media and scientific "experts" all repeatedly assured them were completely safe.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at September 06, 2021 02:24 PM (k4dH2)

304 Well and footage people shot and put on the internet.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 06, 2021 01:26 PM (KZzsI)

Nothing goes on the Internet from China without the CCP having approved it. Remember that.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 06, 2021 02:25 PM (1dy3Z)

305 Why was naturally acquired immunity deleted from the concept of "herd immunity"?

Why is it that an experimental treatment, that had never worked properly in previous trials was rolled out to billions of people around the world without any long-term Phase 3 RCTs?

Why is it that this treatment is considered not only safe, but necessary for every single person in the world, regardless of personal status, yet Ivermectin, which has been called a "wonder drug" in a medical journal article, given to illiterates in the 3rd world basically unsupervised, and netted the discoverer a Nobel Prize in medicine a few years ago has been dubbed far too dangerous by The Authorities?

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at September 06, 2021 02:25 PM (DXFDM)

306 67 Which makes you wonder why on earth Italy was having all these supposed deaths

I seem to recall the specific issue with Italy was they ran out of capacity, so a bunch of their would be 50 - 80% fatality groups (numbers made up by me) turned into 100%.
Posted by: Methos at September 06, 2021 01:28 PM (kOpft)

As in Cuomo's nursing homes.

Posted by: m at September 06, 2021 02:26 PM (nzEdf)

307 Another Physician's Perspective:

If it is not the governments business what you stick into your ass, or vagina, nor who does it, whether it be a penis, or sex toy, tongue, or whatever, it is not the governments business what you stick into your ass, or deltoid, nor who does it, whether it be a penis, sex toy, tongue, or steel needle.

This is a simple matter.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at September 06, 2021 02:27 PM (jhfQJ)

308 Italy has an old population and lousy healthcare for the masses. "nursing home with great views"

Posted by: free tibet at September 06, 2021 02:28 PM (h7w3N)

309 Torcetrapib, for example, cost Pfizer $800 million in R&D costs before washing out in phase III trials. $800 million - poof! Gone.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 06, 2021 01:31 PM (YqDXo)

Money is not totally wasted. They now know more about syntheses than before, and they now know what not to do, in some cases. They have added to their knowledge base.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 06, 2021 02:29 PM (1dy3Z)

310 The majority of COVID-19 deaths are in people over 60 with other significant medical problems.

The majority of ALL DEATHS are in people over 60 with or without other significant medical problems. The statistical difference between these two populations is well within MOE.

Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at September 06, 2021 02:29 PM (K58O6)

311 305: Wel I think its 99% just about the Benjamins. Big Pharma along with big tech own a lot of politicians, so when politics overrules actual science, the politics is going to benefit big Pharma.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply Irredeemable at September 06, 2021 02:29 PM (1KD/n)

312 The cunning runt Fauci should only speak so clearly.

Posted by: BluesFish at September 06, 2021 02:30 PM (kPJ/p)

313 thanks sir, my wife and are just stepping out for a moment to discuss how much we love your amazing house

Prospective landlord showing me an apartment: "...last Tennant hung herself from that doorknob right there..."
(cue Fred Flintstone feets running noises)

Posted by: Getting the banned back together at September 06, 2021 02:30 PM (bAdgC)

314
Money is not totally wasted. They now know more about syntheses than before, and they now know what not to do, in some cases. They have added to their knowledge base.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 06, 2021 02:29 PM (1dy3Z)


This is not a trivial point. A wide and deep knowledge base and careful attention to bottom line helps makes Big Pharma rather nimble at exploiting opportunity. Its a love-hate thing....

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at September 06, 2021 02:31 PM (jhfQJ)

315 Because of the Politics, Covid and the Pandemic have irreparably damaged the public's trust in Public Health, CDC and FDA. Since the beginning of all of this, most everyone I know complained because there was so much confusion on message. Didn't know what to think but when they started demanding you get the vaccine and threatened with inability to participate in society...well that

Posted by: Stellastwocents at September 06, 2021 02:33 PM (cRbt7)

316 cont: That was the signal that nothing is to be believed anymore.

Posted by: Stellastwocents at September 06, 2021 02:34 PM (cRbt7)

317 120 I just read this over at Starting Strength, and I think it's worth y'all getting a chance to read it:

https://tinyurl.com/h4r7unsn

Link takes you to another health related blog.

"18 reasons why I'm not taking the Jab"

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at September 06, 2021 01:38 PM

Excellent article, browndog. Thank you for sharing it.

Posted by: Tall Cool Gentleman in a Black Suit at September 06, 2021 02:34 PM (Do5/p)

318 106 Because rational decision-making gets trumped by the will of the mob, which demagogues manipulate. Ultimately, whoever shouts the loudest and longest gets his way.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 06, 2021 01:35 PM (YqDXo)

Same in academia.

Posted by: m at September 06, 2021 02:34 PM (nzEdf)

319 Why is it that this treatment is considered not only safe, but necessary for every single person in the world, regardless of personal status, yet Ivermectin, which has been called a "wonder drug" in a medical journal article, given to illiterates in the 3rd world basically unsupervised, and netted the discoverer a Nobel Prize in medicine a few years ago has been dubbed far too dangerous by The Authorities?
____________

Dr. Robert Malone, the inventor of the mRNA vaccine technology, has said numerous times that it does not make sense for everybody to get the vaccines. He says that only the most vulnerable, such as older people who have comorbidities, should get vaccinated. Younger people, and people who do not have comorbidities, should not be vaccinated, because for them the risks of the vaccine outweigh the risks from the virus. Dr. Martin Kulldorf of Harvard Medical School, one of the world's preeminent epidemiologists, says the same thing. Both of these doctors have been censored by Big Tech.

As for Ivermectin, the CDC's website shows it still recommends it for many third-world immigrants.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at September 06, 2021 02:35 PM (k4dH2)

320 Skip's Phone --

Long since retired, but when I was employed, it was mostly clerical crap. I wrote (and still do) SF and fantasy, but never got paid for it. Some enjoyable computer work, and the usual yuck stuff like dishwashing and the like.

Posted by: Ann Wilson, aka Empire 1 at September 06, 2021 02:35 PM (JJatH)

321 Long term effects? I have been a regular blood donor for over 50 years, with no problems at all. After receiving the Moderna version, I had a positive reaction to one of the blood center's screening tests. Never had that before. I ran to my doctor for clinical testing, all of which came up negative. They flat-out stated (in writing) that the blood center test was a false positive.

The doctors at both the blood center and my (University-directed) health system stated that they have seen an uptick in this kind of thing this year, since people started getting jabbed. Inconclusive - but a potential, unsought long-term effect.

Meanwhile, if I have a subsequent positive reaction, I will be forever barred from donating blood again. The fact of the false positive was irrelevant: the blood center is under different regulations, and does not accept clinical testing. The hope is that whatever chemistry the jab released in my body to produce that positive reaction will dissipate over time. They are recommending that I wait six months before attempting another donation.

Our nation's blood supply has the potential to be impeded. Long term effect? We just don't know.

Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at September 06, 2021 02:37 PM (K58O6)

322 Late to the party, i just want to say thank god for writing this, thank ACE for posting, and his host for facilitating the information.
The Internet was supposed to be a repository to share information on major events like Covid. Instead to a very great degree Facebook, Google, and Twitter, have been able to suppress all non Fauci information.
Our media, who have special status because they fight for us, instead fight to keep democrats in office, and employed.
Paypal, Visa, and big banks are happy to jump on the violators and remove their rights to monetize anything.
I just want to say thanks.

Posted by: Charlesthe Hammer at September 06, 2021 02:38 PM (Dvo0o)

323 Thank you CAT. This is personal for me, as one of my daughters is due to deliver in another six weeks. She was vaccinated with the Moderna jabs at three months. It was her decision but also the strong advice of both her OB and a close friend, who is a doctor and also herself pregnant.

What a huge risk.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 06, 2021 02:43 PM (/SRMG)

324 The employer mandates defy all forms of logic.

What HR is saying: We employ you simply as a service to you. You have no intrinsic value to the company, quite frankly we don't know why you are here.

How else to interpret the mandate? People generally get fired because of poor service, redundancy, or job is complete. That is, the assumption that a person is employed is because they provide a valuable service to the enterprise. Firing people because of a Simon Says mandate says that Simon Says is more important than the value a person provides.

(continued...)

Posted by: Reuben Hick at September 06, 2021 02:46 PM (+LCoQ)

325 Italy also has one of the crappiest of the oh-so-desirable "free" healthcare systems in the EU.


I have friends with relatives in more rural areas of Italy who tell me most people only go to the doctor when they are already half dead to start with. (Purely anecdotal, of course, and again, more in rural areas)

Also one of the older populations in the EU or at least the original EU?

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 06, 2021 02:48 PM (bSf8L)

326 On the capricious firings, it pays zero attention to the over all viability of the company. Lets say that a key partner of the company fails to vaccinate, let them go and have the department crumble? What if the number of people fired are over represented in some departments and not others? For example, all of sales is fired, or most of engineering?

I would think that investors would have a lawsuit in the waiting as HR is slashing and burning with zero regard to the economic health of the enterprise.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at September 06, 2021 02:48 PM (+LCoQ)

327 Thank you, Dr. Cat, for putting this in an essay.
This is a subject that has caused some unhappy friction in our family, as I'm sure it has in many others.
Just more fallout from the wreck of '20-'21.

Posted by: Sal at September 06, 2021 02:49 PM (3c1fY)

328 Furthermore, head hunters are very expensive. A company can drop between 30 and 50k for placing a skilled professional. Plus there is the lost corporate knowledge, the connections, the continuity... Say a lead researcher leaves a multi-million dollar project taking his expertise with him. I'm sure China and a few other companies wouldn't mind the free injection of IP from their newly acquired expert.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at September 06, 2021 02:51 PM (+LCoQ)

329 BTQ, there are nekked pics of Oregon Governor Kate Brown on the internet [pics dated in 2020]
Posted by: will choose a nic later at September 06, 2021 02:03 PM (bTQ72)

Obviously not worthy enough to provide a link, LOL.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 06, 2021 02:51 PM (IPjrg)

330 Vaccinations or no, the great majority of covid deaths still come from the over-65 cohort with comorbidities, including obesity.

Children aren't dying from the disease, and so it makes no sense at all to vaccinate them using medications that have not been fully tested for efficacy and possible side effects.

Ditto masking children, which makes no sense at all. They rarely get sick, and almost never die, and the cumulative stats show they are not killing their siblings, parents or grandparents.

I suspect historians will someday label this the Rise and Triumph of the Idiocracy.

Posted by: Noam Sayen at September 06, 2021 02:55 PM (fPFtn)

331 the same type of people that correctly predicted something like the covid 19 pandemic toward the end of trumps presidency and were labeled as kooks for it are now predicting a mass infertility and depopulation event in america as a result of the vaccines equating to a roughly 30-40 percent decline in the us population by the year 2030...

Posted by: sound awake at September 06, 2021 02:58 PM (rCBpR)

332 216 A lot of Chinese from Wuhan work in the Italian leather trade.

Non-stop flights from Wuhan to Milan.

Posted by: JAS, AoSHQ addict at September 06, 2021 02:03 PM (xopIz)

I had forgotten that but, yes, it was mentioned when the outbreaks were first reported.

Posted by: m at September 06, 2021 03:04 PM (nzEdf)

333 Dr Cat, is there any evidence of a resurgence of CD-8 cells after the effectiveness of the vaccine wanes?

Posted by: AnnaS at September 06, 2021 03:04 PM (l4l/z)

334 Great piece.

Posted by: KT at September 06, 2021 03:10 PM (Zw6ex)

335 249 BTQ, there are nekked pics of Oregon Governor Kate Brown on the internet

Get it off me! Get it off me!
Posted by: The Internet at September 06, 2021 02:09 PM (786Ro)

hahahahahaha

Posted by: m at September 06, 2021 03:10 PM (nzEdf)

336 Dr Cat, thank you for the informative article. I can't believe a pregnant woman would take the shot?! The new "line" I get from people at work is "you took your baby shots". And, there is no reasoning with these people so I just walk away. If it becomes mandated that you must have a vax I will consider a Class action law suit.

Posted by: sidney at September 06, 2021 03:10 PM (7/kmB)

337
A friend of mine is a heart transplant patient who got the vaccine at the reconmendation of the hospital which also reconmended getting the booster.
Then he got another notifcation front the hospital stating do not get the booster if you are a heart tranplant patieent.
He procrastinated and didn't get the booster.

Posted by: YIKES! at September 06, 2021 03:14 PM (t6XCL)

338 Thank you, Dr CAT. Was curious if you had a cite for the info you relayed about the JnJ vaccine?

Posted by: Uncajohn at September 06, 2021 03:16 PM (MPwSO)

339 Posted by: Reuben Hick at September 06, 2021 02:46 PM (+LCoQ)

That was all very useful; thank you.

Posted by: m at September 06, 2021 03:26 PM (nzEdf)

340 "The old, paternalistic, directive medicine is in the past."

BWAHAHAHAHA!!! You're dreaming, CAT. For those doing patient involvement and such, they always did that. I don't see the rest giving up their authority anytime soon.

Posted by: GWB at September 06, 2021 03:31 PM (2nnuG)

341 Thank you CAT. My wife got the shots because she is a nurse. Your essay says one of the possible side-effects of the vaccine is endometrial cancer. Signs of that are bleeding and pain.
She has fibroids, so she bleeds all the time. If she ever gets it, by the time she has pelvic pain it may be a more severe case.
She encouraged the kids to get the shot too. I hope they don't develop side-effects. I am un-vaxxed. It is no fun to contemplate being the sole survivor.

Posted by: delurk ergo sum at September 06, 2021 03:40 PM (SmFPm)

342 Texican ette ,

Luckily my state agency's ED won't push us to get shots and is adamantly pro 2A.

Posted by: lin-duh at September 06, 2021 03:46 PM (UUBmN)

343 let's name the names of the team members at facebook that are banning guys like this. Disgrace.

Posted by: mercury at September 06, 2021 04:05 PM (lnmC5)

344 Dr. Cat, thank you for this. I have many friends who were OK with getting the vax, an equal number who were hesitant. My daughter spent most of last year pregnant - and most emphatically did not want to get vaxxed. Her Ob-Gyn only suggested it once, and never again mentioned it, which says something right there. We're actually pretty certain that we both had it, late in 2019 - a crud that laid us both out for a week, never serious enough to go to the hospital for. But it was a misery, and neither of us has been sick with anything since, in spite of going maskless, and not being all that assiduous with the hand-washing, et cetera. I routinely used to get sicker from the yearly required flu shot than I usually got from the flu itself. I've not gotten flu shots since I retired, and only twice in more than two decades have I gotten the flu.
I'd like us both to be tested for covid antibodies - probably will ask for this, the next time I have a routine appointment with my health care provider to renew my blood pressure medications.

Posted by: Sgt. Mom at September 06, 2021 04:09 PM (xnmPy)

345 Currently my state has a mandate for all frontline health care workers to get the vaccine.. I have applied to my employer for a religious exemption and have not heard back yet.. I would have to get the vaccine by October 4th to be in compliance by the due date. My relatively small company was bought out last year by giant healthcare corporation X and their process for vaccine exemption is not very transparent to say the least. My husband is not able to work due to disability and there is nothing else that I could make as much as compared to being a nurse which I've been for more than 20 years. This is part of why we are thinking about moving to another state.

Posted by: MammaB at September 06, 2021 04:13 PM (KbHMJ)

346

The stuff we saw happening in these two places does not match up with the .05 average lethality rate that we know of (even including the bogus death stats in the US).
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 06, 2021 01:18 PM (KZzsI)

I figured that the homeless encampments would be the canaries in the coal mine. We've never seen people dropping dead in the streets, so now I wonder if those China vids were psyops.

For about a month (March 2020 or thereabouts) I was sort of taking this seriously, but at the beginning I was suspicious, and by last summer I was doubly so.

I've never seen such concerted efforts to drive people away from therapeutics, even in the midst of a hair-on-fire response. From the very beginning, early treatment was absolutely demonized, and that doesn't make any sense at all.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess, #SuperStraight #EnemyOfTheState (Mzdiz) at September 06, 2021 04:19 PM (Mzdiz)

347 Our nation's blood supply has the potential to be impeded. Long term effect? We just don't know.

Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at September 06, 2021 02:37 PM (K58O6)

I'd heard that the Red Cross wasn't accepting blood from the vaxxed. That seemed ominous, so I went straight to their site, and found a mass of self-contradictory gobbledygook in their FAQ. I still have no idea what is really going on.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess, #SuperStraight #EnemyOfTheState (Mzdiz) at September 06, 2021 04:32 PM (Mzdiz)

348 It's pretty funny how all the anti-govt and military socialist on the left are perfectly fine with an environmental vaccine by a company who had been kept afloat for 30 years by DARPA black budget money. Moderna should be seen as sort sketchy by all, but i guess when you get the power to force something on your enemies you'll team with people you said were your enemies for the previous 50 years.

Posted by: Rbastid at September 06, 2021 04:44 PM (OVWlh)

349 Excellent post, and I heartily agree. ( I am a GP and discuss these things daily with my patients).

"Your Body, Our Choice, shut up prole".

Real medical ethics have keyed on "consent" since WW2. THERE IS NO TRUE CONSENT WHEN COERCED!

Informed Consent requires discussion of the proposed Procedure, Alternatives, Risks and answering Questions the patient has to their satisfaction. PARQ (enshrined in state law and regulations for doctors here in Oregon). How many receive this discussion?

Posted by: Hal Dall MD at September 06, 2021 04:48 PM (XnZvc)

350 92 This confirms what I have observed here in Seattle.

But. What do I do? Hold fast to my convictions or keep my job?

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 06, 2021 01:33 PM

This is not about principles vs job. This is about your life vs your job. Are you willing to put your life at risk to keep your job? Because that is what this is.

This is not the flu shot. This is an experimental gene therapy where it has already been shown to cause severe adverse side-effects and death in tens of thousands of people. And you have no recourse if you suffer any side-effects, because you are forced to sign a consent form to agree to not hold anyone accountable.

All because of a virus/disease with a 99.74% survival rate.

I would read the article posted by browndog, "18 reasons to not get the COVID shot". And then bring that with you to your job. And then I would demand to have the hospital sign a legal form that the hospital will be held legally responsible for any side effects you may experience from them forcing you to get the shot. Anything less and I would quit. Because if they do not agree to that, it tells me they don't give a shit whether you live or die.

Posted by: Tall Cool Gentleman in a Black Suit at September 06, 2021 05:09 PM (Do5/p)

351 I've never seen such concerted efforts to drive people away from therapeutics, even in the midst of a hair-on-fire response. From the very beginning, early treatment was absolutely demonized, and that doesn't make any sense at all.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess, #SuperStraight #EnemyOfTheState (Mzdiz) at September 06, 2021 04:19 PM

From what I have read here and elsewhere, if there is a viable treatment for a virus/disease, then you cannot mandate a vaccine for that virus/disease.

So it makes complete sense why they are forbidding treatments. This has been a political op from the get-go to make money from forced vaccinations.

The sad part is that either President Trump is in on it or he was fooled into supporting it.

Read that article posted by browndog, 18 Reasons I Will Not Get the Vaccine. Long history of failure and corruption with all these companies and with the development of these "vaccines". No one in their right mind should be getting them.

https://tinyurl.com/h4r7unsn

Posted by: Tall Cool Gentleman in a Black Suit at September 06, 2021 05:15 PM (Do5/p)

352 18 The problem is that the Wuhan Flu, objectively, scientifically, and factually, is not all that deadly. Which makes you wonder why on earth Italy was having all these supposed deaths, and why China freaked out so badly in Wuhan.

The stuff we saw happening in these two places does not match up with the .05 average lethality rate that we know of (even including the bogus death stats in the US).
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 06, 2021 01:18 PM (KZzsI)

I call BS on the China freak-out. I think they were trying to scare the world. In regards to Italy, China sent a bunch of infected workers over there to spread the vermin (at least I remember reading that as it was happening). I think they put the infected people in with other sick people and exposed them, like Cuomo did in NY to help kill off a bunch of people -- to scare the world!

Posted by: Bonnie Blue no longer gives a shit at September 06, 2021 05:18 PM (hlxe7)

353 38 "But, within months of isolating SARS COV-2"

This guy is not a well informed person.

Can you contact him and have him provide evidence a single instance of an isolated gold standard sample of the virus?
Posted by: astonerii at September 06, 2021 01:23 PM (B9VxK)

I noticed that as well. And honestly, I don't think the jabs work at all - on any version of any virus.

Posted by: Bonnie Blue no longer gives a shit at September 06, 2021 05:22 PM (hlxe7)

354 Would like to put in a plug for Ivermectin. Beginning of the weekend, temp of 100.7, crushing headache, sore throat, and stuffy nose. Pretty sure its COVID due to exposure through the grandkids, but test results are expected back this Wednesday. Fortunately, we have a doctor who is an independent practice and does his own research about meds, so were able to get some Ivermectin tablets. As of today, all symptoms gone except for lingering fatigue. I have no idea why we aren't using this stuff for colds and flu, stuffy nose and sore throat were gone about 6 hours after I first took my first dose.

Posted by: Inisfree at September 06, 2021 05:25 PM (JvFhS)

355 'Those who have never had COVID, but did receive the full 2 dose Pfizer regimen are 13 times more likely to get Delta than those with natural immunity, those who contracted the original COVID and recovered. 13 times more likely to contract Delta if you are vaccinated.'

So what? Would you rather get a vaccination or give yourself COVID in order to obtain the superior immunity from a *second* infection...if the first one doesn't kill you?

Besides, the Israelis followed the original regimen of two closely spaced jabs (as did the US). The UK, Canada and many other countries spaced them out to 12 weeks apart and UK data indicates that is more effective at preventing initial infection.

Posted by: John at September 06, 2021 05:32 PM (+zply)

356 "And of those who were vaccinated and contracted Delta, how long was it between vaccination and infection with Delta? Four months. Israelis were vaccinated in Jan/Feb and contracted Delta by June."

The problem is that we don't know if the vaccine slowly declined in efficacy for these individuals or were they part of the 5% failures that are published?

Posted by: James Lewis at September 06, 2021 06:02 PM (u324d)

357 Copernicus was not disciplined, much less "thrown out of the church", for his heliocentric theory, which was published just before his death.

Posted by: bof at September 06, 2021 06:14 PM (UePSi)

358 You might also note Karl Denninger's post "Here's WHY They Killed Your Grandmother" 8/31/21.

Short Version: We have a declared Public Health Emergency. There are Government Protocols that dictate treatment. If you follow all the protocols as mandated, your medical group is indemnified against legal action for, uhhh, "poor outcomes". If you prescribe one 10-cent aspirin NOT included in the protocols (or if you figure "what harm could it do to try Ivermectin?"), you have violated the protocols, voided your indemnification, and hello medical lawsuits. (Plus you forfeit your covid "reimbursement" bonus, not that such a thing would ever influence medical decisions...)

Posted by: Doo-Dah, Doo-Dah at September 06, 2021 06:39 PM (JFQkh)

359 I keep coming back to the fact that the survival rate for this virus is 99.97% across the entire population. Akin to the flu.

So I never saw the urgency in the first place. Plus, it's treatable without a vaccine. Plus, if you get it and treat it, you have the necessary antibodies, which is the best outcome. So why not treat it?

Posted by: Occasional Commenter at September 06, 2021 06:43 PM (GXBIW)

360 Dr. CAT, I'm just an engineer but I know how systems work and this is a non working system. I admired you're letter to your employer and admire your reasoned response here.

SLOW DOWN

RUN TESTS

LOOK AT THAT DATA

It IS the scientific way.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at September 06, 2021 06:59 PM (IukSd)

361 We got a "vaccine" so fast because the virus was created using "Gain of Function" in the Wuhan Lab. The whole alleged purpose of GoF is to be ready to make a vaccine really fast should such a mutation occur naturally. Not to make bioweapons, heck no!
So these vaccines came out in record time, exactly like GoF is supposed to work. Pretty gigantic coincidence, eh?

Add to that the Coronavirus & other deadly samples stolen from the L-4 Lab in Winnipeg in 2018-2019 and taken directly to the Wuhan L-4 lab, sheer coincidence!

Posted by: 5cats at September 06, 2021 09:00 PM (hv5ip)

362 Both of my college-age kids have now been mandated to get the vax. One just had Covid two weeks ago. I am not happy about this and don't know what advice to give them. I don't think my daughter (who had Covid) should have to take any shots at all. I think my son is safest going with J&J if it must be done, but I'm still hoping for a miracle. There is a bill in my state to ban vaccine mandates and I'm holding out hope that it passes.

Posted by: Syracuse1989 at September 07, 2021 01:03 PM (exm8+)

363 Interesting 10's of 1,000's of ILLEGALS can enter America without being tested or mandated the JAB, then flown / bussed to small cities and towns across America
Gee I wonder why things could possibly be out of control

Posted by: Patrick L Sugrue at September 07, 2021 04:16 PM (4ue9T)

(Jump to top of page)






Processing 0.04, elapsed 0.05 seconds.
15 queries taking 0.0179 seconds, 372 records returned.
Page size 216 kb.
Powered by Minx 0.7 alpha.



MuNuvians
MeeNuvians
Polls! Polls! Polls!
Frequently Asked Questions
The (Almost) Complete Paul Anka Integrity Kick
Top Top Tens
Greatest Hitjobs

The Ace of Spades HQ Sex-for-Money Skankathon
A D&D Guide to the Democratic Candidates
Margaret Cho: Just Not Funny
More Margaret Cho Abuse
Margaret Cho: Still Not Funny
Iraqi Prisoner Claims He Was Raped... By Woman
Wonkette Announces "Morning Zoo" Format
John Kerry's "Plan" Causes Surrender of Moqtada al-Sadr's Militia
World Muslim Leaders Apologize for Nick Berg's Beheading
Michael Moore Goes on Lunchtime Manhattan Death-Spree
Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears
Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
News/Chat