Outlasting Woke

Mark Milley is furiously paging through his dog-eared copy of Robin DiAngelo's White Fragility looking for a solution to Afghanistan.
Noam Blum

Check out the thread.

It's funny how frequently woke scolding comes at the expense of actually doing the thing you're supposed to be doing.

Time for Biden to go to Camp David and for the Joint Chiefs to check their Twitter feeds.

The Taliban outlasted the waffling westerners. We can outlast the woke.

QUOTES

J.J. Sefton pull-quote from Victor Davis Hanson, (Above the Fold 8/2):

Politically correct ideology is masking and contributing to the widespread failure of our institutions.

Seen on Facebook - The late Neal A. Maxwell, an official in the LDS Church, speaking to students at BYU in 1974:

You're soon going out into a world full of marshmallow men. . . there is no core to these men, there is no center, . . . We are in a world of people who want to yield to everything - to every fad and to every fashion.

From a piece by Matt Taibbi on the vanishing legacy of Barak Obama, party animal.

It is amazing how complete is the delusion that beauty is goodness.
-- Leo Tolstoy

Interesting piece by Peter Wood from a couple of days ago: From 9/11 to 1/6:

As the Taliban move in for the kill in Afghanistan, we once again turn away from the hard questions about how to sustain American pride in the face of people who abhor us and what American values mean if the world meets our ideals with contempt. One answer to these questions is a counsel of capitulation. Let us admit that we are now and always have been a rotten nation made up of hateful, conniving people who only pretended to be good.
That answer has always had a few cynics in its corner, but it has become the presiding doctrine of the American left, a development which is itself one of the defining consequences of 9/11. At some point in the months following the attack, as the momentary sense of national unity cleared, the left began to adopt the 'we-deserved-it' narrative. Not everyone was as outspoken as Ward Churchill who called the office workers in the World Trade Towers 'little Eichmanns' or the Revd Jeremiah Wright who preached a sermon shortly after 9/11 that said of the attack, 'America's chickens are coming home to roost'. But in a quieter way, these ideas took hold. President Bush's wars in Afghanistan and Iraq crystalized the left's narrative that America's bellicosity was the problem. We had more to fear from domestic mistreatment of innocent Muslims than we had from Muslims bent on mass murder.
This muddled view has birthed a generation that has nothing but misgivings about American virtue and American power. And it lies in the background of a brand new attempt to sacralize a new date: January 6, 2021.

The irony is that the Democrats' relentless exaggeration of what happened on January 6, 2021 might succeed in giving us the breakthrough realization of what happened on September 11, 2001. We will see that our leftist elite hates America and fears and despises that broad swath of the American people who reject their betters.

Then came this:

There are some details at the link above.

At least if you believe the government's public statements, our intelligence agencies and military totally missed the Taliban's plans to rapidly take over Afghanistan (along with all that sophisticated military equipment we failed to remove). But they are certainly right about the threats above, don't you think?

Peter Wood doesn't think so. He is writing a book.

Random Note:

It was apparently the 500th anniversary of the fall of the Aztecs yesterday. You may recall that the Ethnic Studies folks in California want to revive the Aztec gods to replace the white Christian God, but as woke gods - not as true Aztec gods.

Music

Don't let them take over your life. Their ideology is not sustainable. Here's some street music.

Rodney Dangerfield

Can you sing it better than him? Know anybody who can? Under what circumstances? Here are the lyrics. The original version was composed for the opening of the first funicular on Mount Vesuvius in 1880. It was destroyed in an eruption in 1944. The current popular lyrics are not tied to the mountain.

This is the Thread before the Gardening Thread.

Serving your mid-day open thread needs

Hope you have a good weekend.

Posted by: K.T. at 11:23 AM

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1 Sponge!

Posted by: GnuBreed at August 14, 2021 10:26 AM (F0YaR)

2 It's going to lead to ACW II

Posted by: Skip at August 14, 2021 10:28 AM (znIQ9)

3 Three shall be the number of the counting.

Posted by: Brother Maynard at August 14, 2021 10:29 AM (a3Q+t)

4 Damnnit. Read the content. Rookie mistake.

Great post K.T., very thoight provoking.

Posted by: BifBewalski @ (VcFUs) - at August 14, 2021 10:29 AM (VcFUs)

5 Sporty don't quite define what's coming.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 14, 2021 10:30 AM (BFigT)

6 The Taliban outlasted the waffling westerners. We can outlast the woke.

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Big difference is the west wasn't salivating at the prospect of killing the Taliban. The left would kill 80 million of us without blinking an eye.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at August 14, 2021 10:30 AM (l5FxP)

7 Saw a comment somewhere (don't think here) the Taliban will wait for Sept 11 to declare victory in Afghanistan

Posted by: Skip at August 14, 2021 10:31 AM (znIQ9)

8 I need to get organizized.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at August 14, 2021 10:31 AM (vuisn)

9 funiculi, funicula...!

just when I think I've seen it all on this smart military blog...

Posted by: kallisto at August 14, 2021 10:32 AM (DJFLF)

10 The Taliban outlasted the waffling westerners. We can outlast the woke.

Given the Obama-era and the resumed current-day purge of good officers, I can actually see the US military going weapons-free against American citizens whereas the ROE against the Taliban was far more restrictive.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at August 14, 2021 10:33 AM (DTX3h)

11 He is the very model of the modern major general.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 14, 2021 10:33 AM (VxC1e)

12 Was in the Pentagon Yesterday and Milley did not invite me for tea? Go figure

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 14, 2021 10:33 AM (Irn0L)

13 Thoroughly modern Milley.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 14, 2021 10:34 AM (VxC1e)

14 LOL

The education group most hesitant to the vax? Dumb Trump voting rubes who dropped out of middle school of course!!

Wait what? This can't be. It's those with a ....... PhD??

https://tinyurl.com/m7a8ddek

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at August 14, 2021 10:34 AM (l5FxP)

15 I'm not fluent in Neapolitan, but I do know that "Jammo" is not pronounced with a hard "j". In fact I don't even know why they translated it that way, since there is no "j" in the Italian alphabet.

"jammo" would be pronounced sort of like: "yahmmo'

Posted by: kallisto at August 14, 2021 10:35 AM (DJFLF)

16 the usually chatty Shrub has kinda gone schtum

him and the other Dick can't quite figure out how to blame this on Trump

Posted by: REDACTED at August 14, 2021 10:35 AM (uCLWI)

17 If you blame every activity of 45+% of America as evidence of terrorism a terror risk is assured.

Posted by: sven at August 14, 2021 10:35 AM (Lzpvj)

18 The taliban's outlook on events is 1000 years. We in the west are impatient. It is out greatest fault, we have no patience or staying power anymore

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 14, 2021 10:35 AM (Irn0L)

19 now i have the funiculi funicula earworm.

Thanks KT

Posted by: kallisto at August 14, 2021 10:35 AM (DJFLF)

20 "the Generals from Planet Clare have pink hair"

Posted by: kallisto at August 14, 2021 10:36 AM (DJFLF)

21 Warriors and strategists have been replaced with Political Officers.

Posted by: BignJames at August 14, 2021 10:38 AM (AwYPR)

22 The United Nations chief is urging the Taliban to immediately halt their offensive in Afghanistan and negotiate in good faith to avert a prolonged civil war.

LMAO...oh yeah they will do that? Fuck you you fuckin idiot

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 14, 2021 10:38 AM (Irn0L)

23 Rodney Dangerfield > Mark Milley, Ass Clown

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 14, 2021 10:38 AM (R/m4+)

24 18 The taliban's outlook on events is 1000 years. We in the west are impatient. It is out greatest fault, we have no patience or staying power anymore
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 14, 2021 10:35 AM (Irn0L)

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Same in business. Everything in the US (and somewhat true in Europe) is about the next quarter. In Asia it's the next 5-10 years.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at August 14, 2021 10:38 AM (l5FxP)

25 Wow. That list of Potential Terrorist Threats reads like it was pulled out of Orwell's 1984:

#4) Doubting Dear Leader

#5) Praising Goldstein

Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at August 14, 2021 10:39 AM (49Exr)

26 Did the Aztecs have funiculars? For all those pyramid things?

Posted by: Super Flower Blood gp at August 14, 2021 10:39 AM (qpX6U)

27 21 Warriors and strategists have been replaced with Political Officers.
Posted by: BignJames at August 14, 2021 10:38 AM (AwYPR)

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The ramparts of white privilege are under sustained frontal assault and flank attack.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 14, 2021 10:39 AM (VxC1e)

28 Read the Barky piece, Sundowner hasn't yet started his swindle but think that's past and is in it going for immortality fame.

Posted by: Skip at August 14, 2021 10:39 AM (znIQ9)

29 6 Big difference is the west wasn't salivating at the prospect of killing the Taliban. The left would kill 80 million of us without blinking an eye.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at August 14, 2021 10:30 AM (l5FxP)

There's a big difference between typing 'I KEEL YEW!!" on Twitter while furiously masturbating and actually putting together the logistics and infrastructure to do it, and then maintaining that expensive and time consuming operation long enough to make it happen. The left's almost comical mismanagement of the major shitties suggests that they're good at corruption and winning the first ambush, but not so good at winning the war.

Posted by: CppThis at August 14, 2021 10:40 AM (UewuT)

30 26 Did the Aztecs have funiculars? For all those pyramid things?
Posted by: Super Flower Blood gp at August 14, 2021 10:39 AM (qpX6U)

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Sadly, they never quite perfected the wheel.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 14, 2021 10:40 AM (VxC1e)

31 On-Topic:

PowerLine's This Week in Pictures - Peak Liberal Hypocrisy Edition

https://tinyurl.com/bcpns25y

Posted by: Gref at August 14, 2021 10:40 AM (AMIL/)

32 US official warns against Israeli construction in Judea and Samaria
US official says that Israeli construction in Judea and Samaria will impede efforts to achieve a two-state solution.

Back to the obama years

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 14, 2021 10:41 AM (Irn0L)

33 Opposition to Covid Measures!!! Stay safe.

Posted by: A Scold of Karens at August 14, 2021 10:41 AM (Xrfse)

34 Bushes retards thinking that mideval moslems would embrace modernity and democract is Harvard-Prinston thiinking and retarded-retarded

savages gotta savage

Posted by: will choose a nic later at August 14, 2021 10:41 AM (bTQ72)

35 What I don't understand, why is it when Trump tried to leave Afghanistan, the military undermined him and essentially stopped hum, but allowed Biden to do it?

In a weird way, I do think Trump dodged a bullet as I wouldn't want this having gone down on his watch.

Posted by: Blago at August 14, 2021 10:41 AM (jQRLH)

36 There's a big difference between typing 'I KEEL YEW!!" on Twitter while furiously masturbating and actually putting together the logistics and infrastructure to do it, and then maintaining that expensive and time consuming operation long enough to make it happen. The left's almost comical mismanagement of the major shitties suggests that they're good at corruption and winning the first ambush, but not so good at winning the war.
Posted by: CppThis at August 14, 2021 10:40 AM (UewuT)

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Look around you dude. They're doing nothing but winning.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at August 14, 2021 10:41 AM (l5FxP)

37 "Mark Milley is furiously paging through his dog-eared copy of Robin DiAngelo's White Fragility looking for a solution to Afghanistan."

Noam Blum

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That's lovely and all, and I know everyone is creaming themselves at being able to lay blame for "who lost Afghanistan" on SloJoe, but this farce SHOULD be the last nail in the coffin of Neocon Conservatism.

It should kill once and for all, any notion that these people had any purpose other than enriching themselves, at the expense of dead soldiers, on the dime of taxpayers.

For what? This. This is the result.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2021 10:42 AM (5ieoM)

38 I was just a child during the Bicentennial, but I do recall all the left-wing hatred of America that flowed out of the late-60s / Vietnam / Watergate era. There was talk of a "silent majority" of patriots who still loved this country, and then with the Bicentennial, it all came rushing back. Suddenly, the hate-America, "blame America first" leftists became marginalized. I am very hopeful that there will be some form of patriotic, preference cascade that will flush out wokeness in a manner that we saw with how the Bicentennial flushed out the '60s radicalism.

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at August 14, 2021 10:42 AM (d9Cw3)

39 32 US official warns against Israeli construction in Judea and Samaria
US official says that Israeli construction in Judea and Samaria will impede efforts to achieve a two-state solution.

Back to the obama years
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 14, 2021 10:41 AM (Irn0L)

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And Bush years and Clinton years and Reagan years and Nixon years....

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at August 14, 2021 10:42 AM (l5FxP)

40 Street music. Buck Throckmorton would approve.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Fortis et liber at August 14, 2021 10:43 AM (3C1R+)

41 32 US official warns against Israeli construction in Judea and Samaria
US official says that Israeli construction in Judea and Samaria will impede efforts to achieve a two-state solution.

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Yeah. We wouldn't want to blunt the blazing momentum toward a two state solution now, would we?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 14, 2021 10:43 AM (VxC1e)

42 FBI, CIA, NSA, DHS... they all believe US citizens are the biggest threats.
Actually I doubt it, I suspect they are referring to all the militant illegal alien's they have encouraged to cross the borders.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 14, 2021 10:43 AM (c5G3Z)

43 Oh look! An open letter from William Kristol and Paul D. Miller (who?):

An Open Letter to Joe Biden on Afghanistan
It's not too late to change course, protect America's interests, and stop a humanitarian disaster.

Posted by: Intrepid Bulwark AoS Liaison at August 14, 2021 10:44 AM (3MG/9)

44 35 What I don't understand, why is it when Trump tried to leave Afghanistan, the military undermined him and essentially stopped hum, but allowed Biden to do it?

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They hated Trump and did everything they could to fuck him up. Had Trump said send in another 100K troops to Afghanistan they would have also said no fuck you.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at August 14, 2021 10:44 AM (l5FxP)

45 It should kill once and for all, any notion that these people had any purpose other than enriching themselves, at the expense of dead soldiers, on the dime of taxpayers.

For what? This. This is the result.

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Please clap

Posted by: El Gobernador Heb Booosch at August 14, 2021 10:45 AM (VxC1e)

46 Shorter Matt Taibbi:

I, and millions of others, have only now realized are the useful idiots.

Posted by: McLurkerson at August 14, 2021 10:45 AM (wNDOJ)

47 C.S. Lewis called them "men without chests."

Posted by: JAS, AoSHQ addict at August 14, 2021 10:45 AM (xopIz)

48 43 Posted by: Intrepid Bulwark AoS Liaison at August 14, 2021 10:44 AM (3MG/9)

Billy D Kristol doesn't get that once the donkey left the 20 on the dresser the ejaculate on his face and ignoring his yapping was baked in the transaction.

Posted by: sven at August 14, 2021 10:45 AM (Lzpvj)

49 "The left's almost comical mismanagement of the major shitties suggests that they're good at corruption and winning the first ambush, but not so good at winning the war."

There's a reason corruption is sinful. Vanity, Sloth, Rage... the ancients didn't just throw darts at a wall to pick them. The reason sins are meant to be avoided is not because they are Evil per se, it's because they always come back to bite you in the ass.

So our corrupt elites will be scoring a lot of Own Goals, we have that going for us at least. The real question is if they will burn everyone else to the ground on their way down.

Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at August 14, 2021 10:46 AM (49Exr)

50 I think I may be pregnant.

Posted by: Gen. Milley at August 14, 2021 10:46 AM (Xrfse)

51 we* are the useful idiots

Posted by: McLurkerson at August 14, 2021 10:46 AM (wNDOJ)

52 40 Street music. Buck Throckmorton would approve.
Posted by: Sock Monkey * Fortis et liber at August 14, 2021 10:43 AM

Oh, hell yeah. I love KT's taste in music...huge overlap with mine.

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at August 14, 2021 10:47 AM (d9Cw3)

53 Oh look! An open letter from William Kristol and Paul D. Miller (who?):

An Open Letter to Joe Biden on Afghanistan
It's not too late to change course, protect America's interests, and stop a humanitarian disaster.
Posted by: Intrepid Bulwark AoS Liaison

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These things they pretended to care so dearly about they were willing to throw overboard because their status in GOP politics was challenged.

Posted by: Blago at August 14, 2021 10:47 AM (jQRLH)

54 Willowed:

I didn't think the implosion of America would come so quickly. We are done as a nation, the only question is how to get out from under the thumb. There's no place else to go.
Posted by: SarahW

Secession.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2021 10:47 AM (OCTRt)

55 Taibbi says he was fooled by Obama. I pity the fool.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 14, 2021 10:48 AM (63Dwl)

56 I think I may be pregnant.
Posted by: Gen. Milley at August 14, 2021 10:46 AM (Xrfse)

No, you can't actually have stomach babies, no matter how much you swallow.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2021 10:48 AM (5ieoM)

57 Ahoy, Achmed!

Posted by: Little Admiral Kristol at August 14, 2021 10:48 AM (Xrfse)

58

slowly at first, then way fast

Posted by: will choose a nic later at August 14, 2021 10:48 AM (bTQ72)

59 'US official says that Israeli construction in Judea and Samaria will impede efforts to achieve a two-state solution."

The Palis were offered a very generous two-state solution, they declined. Because what the really want is to kill more Jews. They can rot.

Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at August 14, 2021 10:49 AM (49Exr)

60 In before 100!

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess, #SuperStraight #EnemyOfTheState (Mzdiz) at August 14, 2021 10:49 AM (Mzdiz)

61 Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 14, 2021 10:43 AM�

Maybe a friendly difference of opinion that you shouldn't underestimate the evil of Leftism

Posted by: Skip at August 14, 2021 10:49 AM (znIQ9)

62 The so called infrastructure bill coupled with the Make America Socialist $3.5T bill is the end of America as we know it. It was heading that way for a while, but this is the final chapter.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at August 14, 2021 10:49 AM (l5FxP)

63 Secession.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2021 10:47 AM (OCTRt)

We could try States Rights first.

We seem to be doing that now.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2021 10:49 AM (5ieoM)

64 No, you can't actually have stomach babies, no matter how much you swallow.

I will settle for hand babies.

Posted by: Gen. Milley at August 14, 2021 10:49 AM (Xrfse)

65 Taibbi says he was fooled by Obama. I pity the fool.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 14, 2021 10:48 AM (63Dwl)

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That's funny. I never was.

I guess that makes me smarter than Matt Taibbi.

Posted by: El Gobernador Heb Booosch at August 14, 2021 10:49 AM (VxC1e)

66 What I fear, is that in their arrogance, the military leadership thinks that the boots on the ground will blindly follow them and therefore using them on American soil will effectively complete their power grab.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Fortis et liber at August 14, 2021 10:49 AM (3C1R+)

67 Oops. Bad sock. Bad!

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 14, 2021 10:50 AM (VxC1e)

68 They hated Trump and did everything they could to fuck him up. Had Trump said send in another 100K troops to Afghanistan they would have also said no fuck you.
Posted by: Joe XiDen

Probably accurate.

I've thought for a long time in an alternate universe, had Trump early on been a big mask proponent, it would be the equivalent of a MAGA hat right now.

Posted by: Blago at August 14, 2021 10:50 AM (jQRLH)

69 The Palis were offered a very generous two-state solution, they declined. Because what the really want is to kill more Jews. They can rot.

Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at August 14, 2021 10:49 AM (49Exr)

I got a two-state solution. Israel does what it wants, and we stay the F out of their business.

See, two states.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2021 10:50 AM (5ieoM)

70 Thanks for the Rodney clip - I needed that!

Posted by: Tonypete at August 14, 2021 10:51 AM (mD/uy)

71 "An Open Letter to Joe Biden"

The ego required to craft an "open letter" to the President of the United States... It's a humblebrag that their opinion means something.

Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at August 14, 2021 10:51 AM (49Exr)

72 I hope after they evacuate the us embassy in kabul, the nuke it from the air

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 14, 2021 10:51 AM (Irn0L)

73 BurtTC at August 14, 2021 10:42 AM

The "strategy" in Afghanistan has not been consistent, ever. That's the biggest problem. The Neocons and Obama would have had to be relentless to pull off anything like nation building, and they weren't.

But Team Ice Cream has handled their part of it remarkably badly, and lied about what they have been doing.

Imagine suggesting that the Taliban would care about their reputation in the International Community.

Posted by: KT at August 14, 2021 10:51 AM (BVQ+1)

74 55 Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 14, 2021 10:48 AM (63Dwl)

He could not stand not being one of "the cool kids."

Useless for protecting our values.

Posted by: sven at August 14, 2021 10:52 AM (Lzpvj)

75 Imagine thinking Biden has the faculties to read an open letter to him, lol.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at August 14, 2021 10:52 AM (l5FxP)

76 The J pronunciation in Italian is achieved with GI as in Giotto.

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at August 14, 2021 10:52 AM (UHVv4)

77 Low bar there Cicero, but yeah.

Posted by: Tonypete at August 14, 2021 10:53 AM (mD/uy)

78 Imagine suggesting that the Taliban would care about their reputation in the International Community.
Posted by: KT at August 14, 2021 10:51 AM (BVQ+1)

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But that's what they said at the Kennedy School of Public Policy, when I was taking classes there!!!
- State Dept Officials

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at August 14, 2021 10:53 AM (l5FxP)

79 There's withdrawing and then there's "withdrawing." Trump wanted the Soldiers home, cut funding for the worthless Afghanistan military and let the locals sort their own shit out.

The people running the show now (not the Chinese cabbage) want just enough instability with a "withdraw" to justify going back in. The amount of grift with ME wars is on par with the grift in "infrastructure."

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 14, 2021 10:53 AM (BFigT)

80 Afghanistan's fate was determined 20 years ago when Massoud was assassinated. I feel sorry for the Afgans, especially the women, but all we have done for the past twenty years is delay the inevitable.

Posted by: Javems at August 14, 2021 10:53 AM (8SSHh)

81 Mitch McConnell calls for airstrikes against Taliban: It is not too late

Yeah Mitch it's to late, 20 years to late, but fuck yeah I have no objection to bombing them back to the stone age which is what we should have done 19 years ago

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 14, 2021 10:54 AM (Irn0L)

82 I will settle for hand babies.
Posted by: Gen. Milley at August 14, 2021 10:49 AM (Xrfse)

The Queensboro Bridge is thataway, lotion up.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2021 10:54 AM (5ieoM)

83 I need a tsunami.

Posted by: The Tree of Liberty at August 14, 2021 10:54 AM (Xrfse)

84 Afghanistan's fate was determined 20 years ago when Massoud was assassinated.

Great point yup

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 14, 2021 10:54 AM (Irn0L)

85 Imagine suggesting that the Taliban would care about their reputation in the International Community.
Posted by: KT at August 14, 2021 10:51 AM (BVQ+1)

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They're no different than us really.

Except for the slavery, stoning gays and the goat fucking, I mean.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 14, 2021 10:54 AM (VxC1e)

86 . I am very hopeful that there will be some form of patriotic, preference cascade that will flush out wokeness in a manner that we saw with how the Bicentennial flushed out the '60s radicalism.

Parents are finally waking up to what the Left has in store for their children, and are fighting back. Maybe those actions are the start of the Great Reversal.

Because no movement stays the same forever in history...none.

Not even this current bullshit we're experiencing.

Posted by: kallisto at August 14, 2021 10:55 AM (DJFLF)

87 The "strategy" in Afghanistan has not been consistent, ever. That's the biggest problem.
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If I'm being intellectually honest, the same thing we are seeing right now would have probably happened if Trump had his way in Afghanistan.

A good friend of mine was a Marine in Afghanistan when things were "hot". He said like 17 years ago there was essentially no point to being there, the country was unredeemable.

I don;t know where we got it in our head that to truly "win" a war we had to transform it into a 51st state.

Posted by: Blago at August 14, 2021 10:55 AM (jQRLH)

88 Imagine thinking Biden has the faculties to read an open letter to him, lol.
Posted by: Joe XiDen

Joe reminds me of the feeble-minded Don Ciccio in The Godfather.

https://youtu.be/qRwM0KjueAs?t=62

Posted by: Tonypete at August 14, 2021 10:55 AM (mD/uy)

89 "I got a two-state solution. Israel does what it wants"

In my alternate timeline, the Israeli leader nuked the Pali's to extinction and then reported himself to the UN to be hanged for war crimes.

Problem solved.

Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at August 14, 2021 10:55 AM (49Exr)

90
Because no movement stays the same forever in history...none.

Not even this current bullshit we're experiencing.
Posted by: kallisto at August 14, 2021 10:55 AM (DJFLF)

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True, nothing is static in society. But the movement has been going on since the mid 60s. It hit a couple of road bumps in the 80s but it never went away.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at August 14, 2021 10:56 AM (l5FxP)

91 BurtTC at August 14, 2021 10:42 AM

The "strategy" in Afghanistan has not been consistent, ever. That's the biggest problem. The Neocons and Obama would have had to be relentless to pull off anything like nation building, and they weren't.

But Team Ice Cream has handled their part of it remarkably badly, and lied about what they have been doing.

Imagine suggesting that the Taliban would care about their reputation in the International Community.
Posted by: KT at August 14, 2021 10:51 AM (BVQ+1)

The flaw the so-called conservative side of the political sphere hasn't quite accepted is that there was NEVER going to be a "win" in Afghanistan.

At MOST, we could have declared early on, "we'll leave once you turn over Bin Laden, dead or alive," and then left when "we got him."

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2021 10:56 AM (5ieoM)

92 I am very hopeful that there will be some form of patriotic, preference cascade that will flush out wokeness in a manner that we saw with how the Bicentennial flushed out the '60s radicalism.
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I see signs of it, I do think it will cost Democrats their monolithic hold on minorities.

Had George Floyd never happened, I bet Trump would have had much bigger numbers with black voters (already it was basically a 40 year record that that the media pretended was David Duke.)

Posted by: Blago at August 14, 2021 10:57 AM (jQRLH)

93 Sadly, if you actually READ what Bin Laden wrote, as I did, he predicted this exact outcome.

He said they could outlast the west... just as they had the Russians.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 14, 2021 10:58 AM (oHd/0)

94 70 Thanks for the Rodney clip - I needed that!

Love him! He's def an Honorary. I remember seeing that in the movies, and was my first exposure to Joe Pesci. When they went clothes shopping together, and Joe asked the saleslady:

"You got anything in a dark black?"

Posted by: kallisto at August 14, 2021 10:58 AM (DJFLF)

95 Bombing the Taliban. What an interesting idea. I'm surprised nobody's come up with it before.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 14, 2021 10:58 AM (VxC1e)

96 A good friend of mine was a Marine in Afghanistan when things were "hot". He said like 17 years ago there was essentially no point to being there, the country was unredeemable.

Posted by: Blago

My nephew was also a Marine there. He asked all of us to send him pencils and paper for the kids in his care packages. Years later, after a particularly hard night of drinking, he said he came to the realization that his acts of kindness probably led to the murder of the little girls that received those items.

I couldn't argue with him.

Posted by: Tonypete at August 14, 2021 10:58 AM (mD/uy)

97 They're no different than us really.

Except for the slavery, stoning gays and the goat fucking, I mean.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 14, 2021 10:54 AM (VxC1e)

Cultural differences!

Who are we to judge.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2021 10:58 AM (5ieoM)

98 Well Hell.
That tears it then.
Except for the reinstatement bit I guess I'm a potential "T" person.
Sigh.

Anybody want pancakes?

Posted by: Diogenes at August 14, 2021 10:58 AM (axyOa)

99 Bombing the Taliban. What an interesting idea. I'm surprised nobody's come up with it before.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 14, 2021 10:58 AM (VxC1e)

Zombie Nixon enters the chat.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2021 10:59 AM (5ieoM)

100 In my alternate timeline, the Israeli leader nuked the Pali's to extinction and then reported himself to the UN to collect his Nobel Peace award

IMHO

Posted by: tbodie at August 14, 2021 10:59 AM (c7nKG)

101 But the movement has been going on since the mid 60s. It hit a couple of road bumps in the 80s but it never went away.

The Soviet lasted what, 75 years? And that was with full military and police enforcement.

Posted by: kallisto at August 14, 2021 10:59 AM (DJFLF)

102 Sadly, if you actually READ what Bin Laden wrote, as I did, he predicted this exact outcome.

He said they could outlast the west... just as they had the Russians.
Posted by: Romeo13

We didn't lose Afghanistan, we left.

Unless you want American soldiers there for the next 1,000 years, this was going to happen. Trump also wanted us to leave.

We're not some Roman empire.

Posted by: Blago at August 14, 2021 10:59 AM (jQRLH)

103 7.2 magnitude earthquake shakes Haiti, prompts tsunami warning

If haiti did not have bad luck, it would have no luck at all

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 14, 2021 11:00 AM (Irn0L)

104 Yeah Mitch it's to late, 20 years to late, but fuck yeah I have no objection to bombing them back to the stone age which is what we should have done 19 years ago
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 14, 2021 10:54 AM (Irn0L)

Yup, we should bomb the shit out of anything we built. Scorched Earth. Destroy it all.

Roads, bridges, dams, canals (we spent a LOT on their irrigation system, which they used to increase Opium production).

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 14, 2021 11:00 AM (oHd/0)

105 No one at the post office is unmasked.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 14, 2021 11:00 AM (7mliA)

106 Read the Taibbi piece. Good that he recognizes a very important piece of Obama's legacy: that he (or more accurately, his personality cult) created Trump.

Posted by: CppThis at August 14, 2021 11:01 AM (UewuT)

107 Trump also wanted us to leave.

We're not some Roman empire.
Posted by: Blago at August 14, 2021 10:59 AM (jQRLH)

Correct. We're a Military Industrial Complex.

Oligarchs gotta get paid. In American servicemen's bodies.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2021 11:01 AM (5ieoM)

108 My nephew was also a Marine there. He asked all of us to send him pencils and paper for the kids in his care packages. Years later, after a particularly hard night of drinking, he said he came to the realization that his acts of kindness probably led to the murder of the little girls that received those items.

I couldn't argue with him.
Posted by: Tonypete

I don't want to send one more nickel or one more American soldier to help Muslims.

As long as that's the defacto religion, it's an evil group of people as far as I'm concerned.

Posted by: Blago at August 14, 2021 11:01 AM (jQRLH)

109 Yup, we should bomb the shit out of anything we built. Scorched Earth. Destroy it all.

Roads, bridges, dams, canals (we spent a LOT on their irrigation system, which they used to increase Opium production).
Posted by: Romeo13 at August 14, 2021 11:00 AM (oHd/0)

I like the way you think

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 14, 2021 11:01 AM (Irn0L)

110 McConnell's got stock in ACME bombs and TNT that's not doing real good now. I think he'll be pleased with the company's turn around soon.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 14, 2021 11:01 AM (BFigT)

111 7.2 magnitude earthquake shakes Haiti, prompts tsunami warning

Posted by: Nevergiveup

My back of the envelope scribblings guesstimate about $750 Million in inprovements.

Posted by: Tonypete at August 14, 2021 11:02 AM (mD/uy)

112 Posted by: Blago at August 14, 2021 10:59 AM (jQRLH)

There have always been two ways to defeat an enemy.

1. Destroy their means to fight

2. Destroy their WILL to fight.

Just like Viet Nam, this is a Political, not a military, victory.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 14, 2021 11:02 AM (oHd/0)

113
I'm all for bombing the mohammedan savages into the stone age just for GP, but let's face it, that would only take about three hand grenades and a bucketful of lady finger firecrackers to get there.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 14, 2021 11:02 AM (gbfHZ)

114 Sad thing is Kabul was a modern western city in the 70s. Google pics of it and it's shocking to see what it was like not that long ago. Goes to show you, shit can change in an instant anywhere.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at August 14, 2021 11:03 AM (l5FxP)

115 https://tinyurl.com/m7a8ddek
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at August 14, 2021 10:34 AM (l5FxP)

Just yields a mostly blank page.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 14, 2021 11:04 AM (1OquP)

116 My back of the envelope scribblings guesstimate about $750 Million in inprovements.
Posted by: Tonypete at August 14, 2021 11:02 AM (mD/uy)

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That's couch cushion money. The "Biden Administration" spends more than that in a year on foreign abortions, NPR and aid to Iran.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 14, 2021 11:04 AM (VxC1e)

117 114 Sad thing is Kabul was a modern western city in the 70s. Google pics of it and it's shocking to see what it was like not that long ago. Goes to show you, shit can change in an instant anywhere.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at August 14, 2021 11:03 AM (l5FxP)

Saw that happen to Beirut between 1980 and 1983. Went from girls on the Beach in Bikinis and cabana boys with a HUGE Banking industry.... to third world shit hole inside of three years.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 14, 2021 11:05 AM (oHd/0)

118 "we spent a LOT on their irrigation system, which they used to increase Opium production."

Reminds me of Badera Somalia. One day a private plane landed on the dirt runway we had built for our aircraft. Carrying bushels of the locals preferred drug, Khat (their "men" start chewing it at noon). Local commander had the entire shipment burned, then caught holy hell from Higher because "this was their attempt to return to normal"

Yah, the "normal" that led to a starving nation in a civil war between 7 gangs fighting over territory, just like they do in Los Angeles.

Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at August 14, 2021 11:05 AM (49Exr)

119 Did the Aztecs have funiculars? For all those pyramid things?
Posted by: Super Flower Blood gp at August 14, 2021 10:39 AM (qpX6U)

They had funkulators. When they wanted to get up, they got down and got funky.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 14, 2021 11:06 AM (1OquP)

120 114 Sad thing is Kabul was a modern western city in the 70s. Google pics of it and it's shocking to see what it was like not that long ago. Goes to show you, shit can change in an instant anywhere.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at August 14, 2021 11:03 AM (l5FxP)

Always good advice. I have no doubt that, just like the 1930s, there are some would-be Hitlers out there looking at the total dicklessness of the entire world over C19 and thinking that their legions of doom could totally conquer everything real fast. But that's an illusion, because there's also would-be Churchills waiting in the wings to displace the Chamberlains as soon as the citizenry allows them to, and would-be Stalins that would bait them into a tar pit.

Posted by: CppThis at August 14, 2021 11:06 AM (UewuT)

121 104 Yeah Mitch it's to late, 20 years to late, but fuck yeah I have no objection to bombing them back to the stone age which is what we should have done 19 years ago
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 14, 2021 10:54 AM (Irn0L)

Yup, we should bomb the shit out of anything we built. Scorched Earth. Destroy it all.

Roads, bridges, dams, canals (we spent a LOT on their irrigation system, which they used to increase Opium production).

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 14, 2021 11:00 AM (oHd/0)

Two years or less from now, a Taliban official will arrive in Washington, DC, to ask whoever the Democrat President is then, for billions of dollars for humanitarian aid and to rebuild Taliban-destroyed infrastructure. I'll give you one guess what Joe or Kamala or Nanzi or Buttplug will say to them.

Posted by: Gref at August 14, 2021 11:07 AM (AMIL/)

122 I wonder if the J words in the lyrics come from Spanish influencing the Sicilian and Neapolitan dialects instead of using the GI (and GE) that gives the soft-J pronunciation in standard Italian?

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at August 14, 2021 11:07 AM (UHVv4)

123 115 https://tinyurl.com/m7a8ddek
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at August 14, 2021 10:34 AM (l5FxP)

Just yields a mostly blank page.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 14, 2021 11:04 AM (1OquP)

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Maybe your browser settings? It shows a graph of vax hesitancy by education attainment and PhD is the highest bar. It's from a study by Carnegie Mellon University.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at August 14, 2021 11:08 AM (l5FxP)

124 Now that the Taliban have succeeded in embarrassing US, I wonder how much longer the Left will recognize them as friends? The enemy of my enemy relationship is about to change.

Posted by: tbodie at August 14, 2021 11:08 AM (c7nKG)

125 There have always been two ways to defeat an enemy.

1. Destroy their means to fight

2. Destroy their WILL to fight.

Just like Viet Nam, this is a Political, not a military, victory.
Posted by: Romeo13

The difference is, you're fighting a religion. The place is not going to stop practicing a medieval form of Islam. Somebody crawling out of a hole only after we leave is not a military victory.

We had Vietnam won, we just left and Democrats purposely made it the aftermath as humiliating as possible.

Posted by: Blago at August 14, 2021 11:08 AM (jQRLH)

126 Italians really did used to party like that. Now all the oldtimers are gone and the succeeding generations have been fully assimilated into bland generic non-culture.

I'll bet young Italian-American women are sending out "vaccination status RSVPs" with their wedding invitations now too.

(I heard on KYW yesterday that the new fad in wedding invites is to enclose a little card that indicates your vaxx/testing status. With the implication being...if you are not vaxxed nor cleared via negative test, don't come.)

Posted by: kallisto at August 14, 2021 11:08 AM (DJFLF)

127 We did not lose Afghanistan. It was never winnable.

I was there in the 80's. I told my boss there was no way the Russians could win. Today there was no way we could win.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 14, 2021 11:08 AM (axyOa)

128 A good friend of mine was a Marine in Afghanistan when things were "hot". He said like 17 years ago there was essentially no point to being there, the country was unredeemable.

A friend of mine who was in the shit there said pretty much the same thing. Said it was like being on another planet. No common ground, no cultural affinities. When in Rome...

Posted by: Notorious BFD at August 14, 2021 11:08 AM (Xrfse)

129 from that twitter thread: Justin
@JDRANGER85
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The Joint Chiefs, to include the Chairman, overseethe Services, which are mainly responsible for training and preparing troops to be utilized by those Combat Commanders overseas.

i know it's a typo, but i like it

Posted by: Anachronda, gallivanting about the intermountain west at August 14, 2021 11:09 AM (O/Kpe)

130 I'm all for bombing the mohammedan savages into the stone age just for GP, but let's face it, that would only take about three hand grenades and a bucketful of lady finger firecrackers to get there.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 14, 2021 11:02 AM (gbfHZ)

Whatever "hatred" westerners have for Muslims in foreign lands, it can't possibly match their hatred for us...

And theirs is more justified. We seem to hate them for not capitulating, and actually fighting back (their way). They hate us for raining death and destruction on them for decades and decades.

I'm finding it harder and harder to not think that yes Hans, maybe we ARE the baddies.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2021 11:09 AM (5ieoM)

131 No one at the post office is unmasked.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 14, 2021 11:00 AM (7mliA)

It's curious how people will pull their mask away from their mouth so they can be heard clearly. Contagion Theater.

If this was Captain Trips there wouldn't be a need for masks after the first 48 hours. Because they would all be dead.

Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at August 14, 2021 11:09 AM (49Exr)

132 Sad thing is Kabul was a modern western city in the 70s. Google pics of it and it's shocking to see what it was like not that long ago. Goes to show you, shit can change in an instant anywhere.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at August 14, 2021 11:03 AM (l5FxP)

Unbelievable, true dat! I knew a guy that once accepted a engineering teaching position at the Kabul University. Other than that he was pretty smart, but to be fair, he did that a looong time ago.

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar ~ Lay back and think of the sweet graft! ~ at August 14, 2021 11:10 AM (hOUT3)

133 Any real time updates on Ashitastan?

Posted by: Infidel at August 14, 2021 11:10 AM (VDqwV)

134 A thought, end it like it started right after 9/11.
B-52 strikes

Posted by: Skip at August 14, 2021 11:11 AM (znIQ9)

135 > ...to third world shit hole inside of three years.

Hold my beer > Amerikka 2021

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 14, 2021 11:11 AM (BFigT)

136 (I heard on KYW yesterday that the new fad in wedding invites is to enclose a little card that indicates your vaxx/testing status. With the implication being...if you are not vaxxed nor cleared via negative test, don't come.)
Posted by: kallisto at August 14, 2021 11:08 AM (DJFLF)

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I wouldn't want to attend that person't wedding anyway.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at August 14, 2021 11:11 AM (l5FxP)

137 Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at August 14, 2021 11:07 AM (UHVv4)

I think they were just translated by an Italian-American who doesn't know standard Italian. There's a whole lot of them who grew up speaking dialect, and then that morphed into an Italian version of Spanglish, and standard Italian wasn't even an afterthought.

Posted by: kallisto at August 14, 2021 11:11 AM (DJFLF)

138 Any real time updates on Ashitastan?
Posted by: Infidel at August 14, 2021 11:10 AM (VDqwV)

It's bug out time. Hold onto your ass.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 14, 2021 11:11 AM (Irn0L)

139 For all the glorious discoveries and inventions of "Islam", you'd think they could have developed some sort of eating utensils...besides their fingers.

Posted by: BignJames at August 14, 2021 11:12 AM (AwYPR)

140 The two state solution has always been a facade to mask the grift. The Palestinians know it. The Israelis know it. The State department knows it. The world knows it. Strip away the facade and all that's left is liquidation of the Jews.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Fortis et liber at August 14, 2021 11:12 AM (3C1R+)

141 We did not lose Afghanistan. It was never winnable.

I was there in the 80's. I told my boss there was no way the Russians could win. Today there was no way we could win.
Posted by: Diogenes

What does "winning" look like?

Again, where did we get this idea that if someone attacks us, its our job to make the place look like Vancouver forever and ever.

We destroyed their military and leadership and they hid for a generation in caves.

Similar people were always going to re-emerge when we left because that's representative of the population. That's why Bin Laden staged this from Afghanistan and not his home of Saudi Arabia.

Posted by: Blago at August 14, 2021 11:12 AM (jQRLH)

142 (I heard on KYW yesterday that the new fad in wedding invites is to enclose a little card that indicates your vaxx/testing status. With the implication being...if you are not vaxxed nor cleared via negative test, don't come.)
Posted by: kallisto at August 14, 2021 11:08 AM (DJFLF)

The new "Whites Only."

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2021 11:12 AM (5ieoM)

143 Milley's behavior almost kind of sort of, appears treasonous to me.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at August 14, 2021 11:13 AM (cSyAR)

144 Is that Joe Pesci next to Rodney? Is Pesci Italian?

Posted by: clutch at August 14, 2021 11:13 AM (9UmRs)

145 It's curious how people will pull their mask away from their mouth so they can be heard clearly. Contagion Theater.

___

Heh. So I was at Starbucks yesterday and everyone working there had a mask. None of the customers did. And as always it's fucking loud in there with all the machines ginding, music playing, etc. So I tell the barista I want a plain bagel, not toasted and a raspberry scone. She says something to me an I have no idea what it is. There is the stupid plexiglass thing, she's wearing a mask and the noise. Impossible for her to hear me and me to hear her.

My order ended up being a toasted bagel with cream cheese and a blueberry scone, LOL.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at August 14, 2021 11:14 AM (l5FxP)

146 So the state department which completely misjudges the true ideology of the Taliban also reaffirms they have no clue as to the ideology of the PLO. They are trying to do the same thing diplomacy. Their alternative reality they live in gets people killed.

Posted by: Jen the original at August 14, 2021 11:14 AM (25AIT)

147 #137 That was my second guess, kallisto.

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at August 14, 2021 11:14 AM (UHVv4)

148 Milley's behavior almost kind of sort of, appears treasonous to me.

It's a big fraternity.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at August 14, 2021 11:15 AM (Xrfse)

149 144 Is that Joe Pesci next to Rodney? Is Pesci Italian?
Posted by: clutch at August 14, 2021 11:13 AM (9UmRs)

Not sure, but I was wondering that too. Kind of ironic if that is Pesci because he's an accomplished singer.

Posted by: CppThis at August 14, 2021 11:15 AM (UewuT)

150 I think it's increasingly likely that America will face an existential military threat in the not too distant future. If it happens, the Milley types in the Pentagon will go down in history like Gamelin and Petain... As soldiers who, in servile cowardice, at the behest of feckless politicians, destroyed the combat readiness of the world's most powerful Army and handed their nation up to its mortal foe. But even more catty and faggy than the French generals. Somehow.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 14, 2021 11:15 AM (GdOWZ)

151 Is that Joe Pesci next to Rodney? Is Pesci Italian?
Posted by: clutch

Sounds fishy to me.

Posted by: Tonypete at August 14, 2021 11:15 AM (mD/uy)

152 you'd think they could have developed some sort of eating utensils...besides their fingers.
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Right hand only, Infidel!

I keeeeeeel you!!

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at August 14, 2021 11:15 AM (UHVv4)

153 Milley's behavior almost kind of sort of, appears treasonous to me.
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at August 14, 2021 11:13 AM (cSyAR)

Brother NL, you just don't appreciate the subtleties of #WokeNuance!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar ~ Lay back and think of the sweet graft! ~ at August 14, 2021 11:16 AM (hOUT3)

154 There used to be a bleed-through between the urban Italian and Jewish communities as well. I think Rodney up there singing, looking as natural as can be is a good example. The Jewish neighborhood in South Philly was adjacent to the Italians, and honestly, if you were an outsider, you wouldn't know the difference. Except at Christmastime of course, lol

Italians *really* lit up their homes at Christmas.

Posted by: kallisto at August 14, 2021 11:16 AM (DJFLF)

155 "I heard on KYW yesterday that the new fad in wedding invites is to enclose a little card that indicates your vaxx/testing status."

That seems stupid. My vax status from August for a wedding in October?

Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at August 14, 2021 11:16 AM (49Exr)

156 124 Now that the Taliban have succeeded in embarrassing US, I wonder how much longer the Left will recognize them as friends? The enemy of my enemy relationship is about to change.

Posted by: tbodie at August 14, 2021 11:08 AM (c7nKG)

"Embarrassing" is the key word. This is why Joe is begging the Taliban to leave the US Embassy Building undamaged. Joe does not want video of the Embassy being blown to bits, behind a group of Taliban fighters near the camera whooping and yelling. Because that footage would be (figuratively)
hung around Joe's neck and reputation forever. Every Republican campaign ad will include it.

Posted by: Gref at August 14, 2021 11:16 AM (AMIL/)

157 Milley's behavior almost kind of sort of, appears treasonous to me.
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It's a big fraternity.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at August 14, 2021 11:15 AM (Xrfse)

About half the country.

You think they're treasonous, they think you are.

As with any other union or contract, when you reach a point of irreconcilable differences, the only reasonable solution is to dissolve the union.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2021 11:17 AM (5ieoM)

158 #137 Italian with English words added is called "Italese" here combining Canadese with Italiano!

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at August 14, 2021 11:17 AM (UHVv4)

159 "Any real time updates on Ashitastan?"

Taliban announced they will not target diplomats or embassies.

For whatever that's worth.

Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at August 14, 2021 11:17 AM (49Exr)

160 It's bug out time. Hold onto your ass.
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And your goats too!

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at August 14, 2021 11:18 AM (UHVv4)

161 Is Pesci Italian?

Is the Pope a communist?

Posted by: That guy who always asks... at August 14, 2021 11:18 AM (Xrfse)

162 That is Joe Pesci. Easy Money, fun movie from the before times.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at August 14, 2021 11:18 AM (l5FxP)

163 Yes Joe Pesci is a NJ Italian-American

Posted by: kallisto at August 14, 2021 11:18 AM (DJFLF)

164 159 "Any real time updates on Ashitastan?"
Taliban announced they will not target diplomats or embassies.
For whatever that's worth.
Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at August 14, 2021 11:17 AM (49Exr)

Gotta save something for 9/11

Posted by: buzzion at August 14, 2021 11:19 AM (vMCab)

165 But even more catty and faggy than the French generals. Somehow.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 14, 2021 11:15 AM (GdOWZ)

Oh how I wish I could disagree with you YD, but a military command structure that has decided it would be "fair" if we lost every now and again is a recipe for disaster, and they're cooking up something really bad!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar ~ Lay back and think of the sweet graft! ~ at August 14, 2021 11:19 AM (hOUT3)

166 It's curious how people will pull their mask away from their mouth so they can be heard clearly. Contagion Theater.

Goes to show how much we depend on lip reading when we don't even know it.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 14, 2021 11:19 AM (axyOa)

167 "I heard on KYW yesterday that the new fad in wedding invites is to enclose a little card that indicates your vaxx/testing status."
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That seems stupid. My vax status from August for a wedding in October?
Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at August 14, 2021 11:16 AM (49Exr)

You seem to think this is about preventing the spread of a disease.

It's not. Never was.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2021 11:19 AM (5ieoM)

168 I was enjoying a beverage at the pub yesterday when a young father came in with his child, who appeared to be about three.
The father was unmasked but the child was masked up.
Mind boggling dumbassery.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at August 14, 2021 11:19 AM (cSyAR)

169 to make the place look like Vancouver forever and ever.
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But Joe is doing that. The Chinese are taking over.

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at August 14, 2021 11:19 AM (UHVv4)

170 Every Republican campaign ad will include it.
Posted by: Gref at August 14, 2021 11:16 AM (AMIL/)

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Not so fast. That is not who we are dear, sir.

Posted by: GOPe at August 14, 2021 11:19 AM (l5FxP)

171 40 Street music. Buck Throckmorton would approve.
Posted by: Sock Monkey * Fortis et liber at August 14, 2021 10:43 AM (3C1R+)

With an upright bass

Posted by: clutch at August 14, 2021 11:19 AM (9UmRs)

172 Every Republican campaign ad will include it.
Posted by: Gref at August 14, 2021 11:16 AM (AMIL/)

My good man, that's NOT who we are!

Posted by: GOPe Commissar Hrothgar ~ Lay back and think of the sweet graft! ~ at August 14, 2021 11:20 AM (hOUT3)

173 137 Italian with English words added is called "Italese" here combining Canadese with Italiano!

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at August 14, 2021 11:17 AM (UHVv4)

Yes I heard many examples when visiting my cousins up around Toronto way. And I recall John Candy using a mashed-up word in one of his SCTV skits: "Mangia-checca"

Posted by: kallisto at August 14, 2021 11:20 AM (DJFLF)

174 170 172

The Horde mind amazes and confuses me!

Posted by: GOPe Commissar Hrothgar ~ Lay back and think of the sweet graft! ~ at August 14, 2021 11:21 AM (hOUT3)

175 Goes to show how much we depend on lip reading when we don't even know it.
Posted by: Diogenes at August 14, 2021 11:19 AM (axyOa)

Non-verbal communication in general. We're effectively creating more distance and discord between individuals, by taking away a huge portion of our ability to communicate.

Especially with children, this too will have disastrous effects.

And I still believe it's all intentional.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2021 11:21 AM (5ieoM)

176
We're a Military Industrial Complex.

And a Scientific Technological Elite.

https://tinyurl.com/4rkdfrvk

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 14, 2021 11:21 AM (63Dwl)

177 You seem to think this is about preventing the spread of a disease. It's not. Never was.

Cannot be repeated enough.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at August 14, 2021 11:22 AM (Xrfse)

178 The final embarrassment will be US diplomats and soldiers being escorted to the airport by thousands of tallie "security troops" to, you know, ensure their safety.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 14, 2021 11:22 AM (axyOa)

179 "Goes to show how much we depend on lip reading when we don't even know it."

Obligatory Bad Lip Reading to lighten the mood

https://tinyurl.com/vmk4sspe

Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at August 14, 2021 11:22 AM (49Exr)

180 The case for wasting 20 years, thousands of American lives and trillions of dollars in Afghanistan. Joe Biden is the true hero.

Posted by: Next Edition of National Review at August 14, 2021 11:22 AM (l5FxP)

181 The father was unmasked but the child was masked up.
Mind boggling dumbassery.
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at August 14, 2021 11:19 AM (cSyAR)

Wife / Mom is named Karen.

Posted by: tbodie at August 14, 2021 11:23 AM (c7nKG)

182 We're a Military Industrial Complex.

And a Scientific Technological Elite.

https://tinyurl.com/4rkdfrvk

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 14, 2021 11:21 AM (63Dwl)

I like Ike. He was spot on.

Posted by: Napoleon XIV at August 14, 2021 11:23 AM (AiZBA)

183 Gotta save something for 9/11
Posted by: buzzion at August 14, 2021 11:19 AM (vMCab)

It'll be like reverse July 4 forevermore. Except their fireworks displays will actually blow up things other than the fingers of drunk nitwits.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2021 11:23 AM (5ieoM)

184 Goes to show how much we depend on lip reading when we don't even know it.
Posted by: Diogenes at August 14, 2021 11:19 AM (axyOa)

Another gift the Team Covid scum has given our children who are now becoming accustomed to never seeing a face!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar ~ Lay back and think of the sweet graft! ~ at August 14, 2021 11:23 AM (hOUT3)

185 Not so fast. That is not who we are dear, sir.
Posted by: GOPe at August 14, 2021 11:19 AM (l5FxP)

But that is who DeathSantis is. He will not miss that opportunity.

Posted by: clutch at August 14, 2021 11:23 AM (9UmRs)

186 But even more catty and faggy than the French generals. Somehow.

The only thing missing from the Milley pic is a cute earring dangling from his left ear.

Posted by: kallisto at August 14, 2021 11:24 AM (DJFLF)

187 I think it's increasingly likely that America will face an existential military threat in the not too distant future.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice

We're going to fall apart internally first.

Countries our size don't really get "conquered" anymore by foreign powers.

Posted by: Blago at August 14, 2021 11:25 AM (jQRLH)

188 BurtTC,
Spot on! I completely agree.
Kids bond a hell of a lot more to their electronic device now than they do to others. This will just make it worse.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 14, 2021 11:25 AM (axyOa)

189 Who needs freedom anyway? The case for President Arnold.

Posted by: Next Edition of National Review at August 14, 2021 11:25 AM (l5FxP)

190 Taliban equivalent to a perp walk.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at August 14, 2021 11:25 AM (oy1++)

191 Why no mean tweets is a worthy trade off for double digit inflation and mass shortages.

Posted by: Next Edition of National Review at August 14, 2021 11:26 AM (l5FxP)

192 I really lucked out finding my hairdresser. She has a sign on her door that prohibits any vaccination discussion in her place of business. Meaning, it's no one's business if her employees are jabbed or not.

I went there yesterday for a cut. No one was masked. It was like going back to early March 2020. Or maybe ahead to the future a few months.

Posted by: kallisto at August 14, 2021 11:26 AM (DJFLF)

193 The only thing missing from the Milley pic is a cute earring dangling from his left ear.

Posted by: kallisto at August 14, 2021 11:24 AM (DJFLF)

I thought queers pierced the right ear?

Posted by: BignJames at August 14, 2021 11:27 AM (AwYPR)

194 'ello KT, how's life up there in the SJV?

Posted by: Cringe Biscuit at August 14, 2021 11:27 AM (Eus9b)

195 Goes to show how much we depend on lip reading when we don't even know it.
Posted by: Diogenes
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Not to mention expression reading. Do they know I'm smiling, conveying humor? Scowling, with anger? Are they smiling?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 14, 2021 11:27 AM (830x5)

196 We're a Military Industrial Complex.
----------------
And a Scientific Technological Elite.
https://tinyurl.com/4rkdfrvk
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 14, 2021 11:21 AM (63Dwl)

And I wish people would become more aware of, and talk about the extent of this "scientific" tyranny. It's not just Glowball Warmening and the Covids. It's ALL OVER THE SO-CALLED SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY!

Did you know researchers are trying to perfect some sort of brain stimulant (I'm not sure if it's a pill or some other form of zapping the brain) to cause "bad" criminals to believe they've spent 1000 years in prison, when it's only been about 8 hours?

What kind of nazi war criminal shit is that?

Our kind, that's what.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2021 11:28 AM (5ieoM)

197 This just in from NOAA. "July 2021 was officially the hottest month ever".

COVID fear waning? We're here to help. -- NOAA

Posted by: Napoleon XIV at August 14, 2021 11:28 AM (AiZBA)

198 I thought queers pierced the right ear?

Posted by: BignJames at August 14, 2021 11:27 AM (AwYPR

no clue

Posted by: kallisto at August 14, 2021 11:28 AM (DJFLF)

199 178 The final embarrassment will be US diplomats and soldiers being escorted to the airport by thousands of tallie "security troops" to, you know, ensure their safety.
Posted by: Diogenes at August 14, 2021 11:22 AM (axyOa)

Similar to the Iranian navy fiasco, which was a deliberate humiliation.

Posted by: clutch at August 14, 2021 11:29 AM (9UmRs)

200
I like Ike. He was spot on.
Posted by: Napoleon
-----

I have the campaign button.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 14, 2021 11:30 AM (830x5)

201 I thought queers pierced the right ear?
Posted by: BignJames at August 14, 2021 11:27 AM (AwYPR)

Sometime in the 90s, the lines between left ear and right ear blurred.

Everyone is piercing everything now.

Viva La Rainbow!

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2021 11:30 AM (5ieoM)

202 Funny, I work in DoD and leadership is concerned that folks aren't speaking up and willing to tell leadership negative news. The answer they came up with was a look of 'emotional intelligence'.

I pointed out that given:
1. We are being told to assert men can be women and women can be men, in direct contradiction to reality.
2. We're being told to assert an organization that has been at the forefront of EO, requires annual training on that policy, and enforces EO and holds folk accountable is 'systematically racist'.

Perhaps folks are self-censoring based on a leadership that isn't willing to hear bad news or things they would consider negative. A DoD wide command climate of an inability of leadership to handle negative news.

Posted by: you're in hell the world ended at August 14, 2021 11:30 AM (6Xgrw)

203 I thought queers pierced the right ear?

Posted by: BignJames

That was the seventies. Get with the times dude.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Fortis et liber at August 14, 2021 11:31 AM (3C1R+)

204 Goes to show how much we depend on lip reading when we don't even know it.

Try working in a clean room with a hood over most of your face. Not only can you not read lips, you also can't read emotions. It's amazing to see people who would have no problem with each other suddenly at each other's throats because they can't "read" the other person. There's a reason humans have evolved to be so good at analyzing facial expressions, and why it's so difficult for CGI to adequately portray them.

Posted by: pep at August 14, 2021 11:31 AM (ZsR3z)

205 The taliban's outlook on events is 1000 years. We in the west are impatient. It is out greatest fault, we have no patience or staying power anymore
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 14, 2021 10:35 AM (Irn0L)

___

Same in business. Everything in the US (and somewhat true in Europe) is about the next quarter. In Asia it's the next 5-10 years.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at August 14, 2021 10:38 AM (l5FxP)

We spent twenty years in Afghanistan because we didn't intend to. Since at least 2009 we've looked for 1-2 year "solutions" which would give us enough cover to leave. And since it was obvious we weren't going to hang around, no one else had any reason to commit either.

The managerial class wanted visible measures of "success" such as women working, girls going to school, but ignored the hidden problems such as the rape of boys and the endemic corruption. It's like a house flipper who paints over the walls, adds some trendy countertops, and hides the larger underlying deficiencies.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at August 14, 2021 11:32 AM (jOcSX)

206 no clue
Posted by: kallisto
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Unless they are a pirate, I assume all earringed males to be, you know...funny.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 14, 2021 11:32 AM (830x5)

207 197 This just in from NOAA. "July 2021 was officially the hottest month ever".

COVID fear waning? We're here to help. -- NOAA
Posted by: Napoleon XIV at August 14, 2021 11:28 AM (AiZBA)

___

NOAA knows what the temp was like in say July 7288 BC?

The planet is 5 billion years old and we've had thermometers for 150 years. But yeah....hottest month EVER!!!!!

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at August 14, 2021 11:32 AM (l5FxP)

208 7.2 magnitude earthquake shakes Haiti, prompts tsunami warning

If haiti did not have bad luck, it would have no luck at all
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 14, 2021 11:00 AM (Irn0L)

Shouldn't have pushed that big chrome handle on the mountain, eh?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 14, 2021 11:32 AM (8m/vg)

209 Afghan president resists pressure to resign as allies wither amid Taliban rout

Your head is gonna look good laying on your back

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 14, 2021 11:33 AM (Irn0L)

210 Funny, I work in DoD and leadership is concerned that folks aren't speaking up and willing to tell leadership negative news. The answer they came up with was a look of 'emotional intelligence'.

Yeah, why wouldn't I contradict someone who hates everything I stand for, and has made it abundantly clear they're willing to destroy my career if I don't play along with their twisted ideology?

Posted by: pep at August 14, 2021 11:33 AM (ZsR3z)

211 I went there yesterday for a cut. No one was masked. It was like going back to early March 2020. Or maybe ahead to the future a few months.
Posted by: kallisto at August 14, 2021 11:26 AM (DJFLF)

I went to a medical establishment yesterday, fully expecting to have to max up. The sign on the door said "It's up to you whether you wear a mask or not."

Most of the employees were wearing them. Some of the customers were. Nobody said jack squat about it to me or the others who weren't.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2021 11:33 AM (5ieoM)

212 This just in from NOAA. "July 2021 was officially the hottest month ever".

COVID fear waning? We're here to help. -- NOAA
Posted by: Napoleon

Absolutely true as long as you use doctored data...

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 14, 2021 11:33 AM (c5G3Z)

213 Countries our size don't really get "conquered" anymore by foreign powers.
Posted by: Blago at August 14, 2021 11:25 AM (jQRLH)

They never did. They always break apart first, and the pieces get picked over.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at August 14, 2021 11:33 AM (jOcSX)

214 That was the seventies. Get with the times dude.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Fortis et liber at August 14, 2021 11:31 AM (3C1R+)

Pop culture drop-out.

Posted by: BignJames at August 14, 2021 11:33 AM (AwYPR)

215 The Taliban have at least one helicopter now after pilot deserts to the Taliban:

https://twitter.com/theragex/status/
1426221305830035464

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at August 14, 2021 11:34 AM (UHVv4)

216 It's like a house flipper who paints over the walls, adds some trendy countertops, and hides the larger underlying deficiencies.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at August 14, 2021 11:32 AM (jOcSX)

__

Great analogy.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at August 14, 2021 11:34 AM (l5FxP)

217 Linking to some rando's twitter feed is an exercise in frustration for us readers. The links are cut off and unreadable.

Twitter is absolutely disgraceful and terrible, yet every time somebody posts a twitter link the platform is reinforced and sustained.

I surf websites because, if done well, they are cogent and have, you know, complete thoughts and perhaps even punctuation.

Websites that link to twitter feeds aren't very helpful.

Posted by: Dan at August 14, 2021 11:34 AM (+NG5U)

218 I thought queers pierced the right ear?

Posted by: BignJames at August 14, 2021 11:27 AM (AwYPR

no clue
Posted by: kallisto at August 14, 2021 11:28 AM (DJFLF)

Right is wrong. Learned that in high school.

Posted by: golfman at August 14, 2021 11:34 AM (H6twj)

219 Walking the dog last night someone with their phone on speaker walked by, sounded like a caller to a radio show: "...but with all my friends, acquaintances and relatives vaccinated why do I need to get it? What's the reason?"

So easily brainwashed - virtually everyone out there. So many little minds struggling with it. Rather than simply say, "f-ck you" to the shot and the govt push, they think they need to actually justify not getting it.

Posted by: Cringe Biscuit at August 14, 2021 11:35 AM (Eus9b)

220 Same in business. Everything in the US (and somewhat true in Europe) is about the next quarter. In Asia it's the next 5-10 years.

Yes, but they said the same thing about Japan in the early 80s, right before their economy stagnated for twenty years because they were propping up zombie companies. China is doing the same thing, only worse.

Posted by: pep at August 14, 2021 11:35 AM (ZsR3z)

221 Did the Aztecs have funiculars? For all those pyramid things?
Posted by: Super Flower Blood gp at August 14, 2021 10:39 AM (qpX6U)

--------

Sadly, they never quite perfected the wheel.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 14, 2021 10:40 AM (VxC1e)

But they understood that heads will roll.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess, #SuperStraight #EnemyOfTheState (Mzdiz) at August 14, 2021 11:36 AM (Mzdiz)

222 January will be the coldest month.

Posted by: Infidel at August 14, 2021 11:36 AM (VDqwV)

223 This just in from NOAA. "July 2021 was officially the hottest month ever".

COVID fear waning? We're here to help. -- NOAA
Posted by: Napoleon XIV at August 14, 2021 11:28 AM (AiZBA)

Key word there: "Officially."

My mother talks about 1940. It was so hot that year, it was essentially impossible to cool off no matter what you did.

I don't know about the rest of the globe, but in Missouri the hottest days ever recorded around the state are still from 1940.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2021 11:36 AM (5ieoM)

224 I like Ike. He was spot on.
Posted by: Napoleon
-----

I have the campaign button.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc

Occasionally someone younger will ask me when I was born. My reply is always " Ike was President". The most common response is " who"?

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Fortis et liber at August 14, 2021 11:36 AM (3C1R+)

225 #215 And they've got more Blackhawk helicopters now than 166 other nations on Earth!

https://twitter.com/APhilosophae/status/
1426285878956249091

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at August 14, 2021 11:36 AM (UHVv4)

226 I thought queers pierced the right ear?

Posted by: BignJames at August 14, 2021 11:27 AM (AwYPR

no clue
Posted by: kallisto at August 14, 2021 11:28 AM (DJFLF)

Right is wrong. Learned that in high school.
Posted by: golfman at August 14, 2021 11:34 AM (H6twj)

There is a certain in context symmetry to that statement.

Posted by: Napoleon XIV at August 14, 2021 11:37 AM (AiZBA)

227 I don't want to send one more nickel or one more American soldier to help Muslims.

As long as that's the defacto religion, it's an evil group of people as far as I'm concerned.
Posted by: Blago at August 14, 2021 11:01 AM (jQRLH)

Bingo! You want to really "win" in Afstan? March in, in force, and take over the whole country. Declare it "The U.S. Colony of Afstan", and tell all the people, "we own your asses, goatfuckers. Do as you are told, and you can live a pretty good life. Fuck us around, and we hunt you down and kill you." Ban islam, kill any person who tries to promote it. Let armedChristian and Mormon missionaries have the run of the place. Meanwhile, exploit all the resources.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 14, 2021 11:37 AM (8m/vg)

228 Great analogy.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at August 14, 2021 11:34 AM (l5FxP)

My go-to analogy is the West is a corporation taken over by middle management. There's no actual leadership, but they've managed to stay afloat by burning through decades of accumulated capital and borrowing against their productive assets. Now all that has run out and they're flailing. It's the same mentality as the house-flipper: short-term gains based on superficial changes and deception.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at August 14, 2021 11:37 AM (jOcSX)

229
I surf websites because, if done well, they are cogent and have, you know, complete thoughts and perhaps even punctuation.

Websites that link to twitter feeds aren't very helpful.

Posted by: Dan

Lazy asses who link to Twitter postings and immediately follow that with the very text of the same twitter posting are really the hardest working journalists there are!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 14, 2021 11:37 AM (+2sc/)

230 Linking to some rando's twitter feed is an exercise in frustration for us readers. The links are cut off and unreadable.

tinyurl is a big help with that

My tw@tter acct is inactive, they probably deleted it. But I still check the tw@tter for news that I just won't get anywhere else, in real time especially. As farked up as @Jack is, his platform is still the home of citizen journalists worldwide. And Julie Kelly

Posted by: kallisto at August 14, 2021 11:37 AM (DJFLF)

231 56 I think I may be pregnant.
Posted by: Gen. Milley at August 14, 2021 10:46 AM (Xrfse)

No, you can't actually have stomach babies, no matter how much you swallow.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2021 10:48 AM

Maybe...but I've definitely been menstruating recently, and plan to have free pads and tampons distributed in ALL military restrooms!

Posted by: Gen. Milley II at August 14, 2021 11:38 AM (3MG/9)

232 And they've got more Blackhawk helicopters now than 166 other nations on Earth!

https://twitter.com/APhilosophae/status/
1426285878956249091
Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at August 14, 2021 11:36 AM (UHVv4)

You mean the chinese will have

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 14, 2021 11:38 AM (Irn0L)

233 Posted by: kallisto at August 14, 2021 11:08 AM (DJFLF)

My cousin was disinvited from a wedding for refusing to fill out that little vax card with the invite.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at August 14, 2021 11:38 AM (Bmy3R)

234 7.2 magnitude earthquake shakes Haiti, prompts tsunami warning

Guess Dominican Republic was ok.

Posted by: BignJames at August 14, 2021 11:38 AM (AwYPR)

235 Funny, I work in DoD and leadership is concerned that folks aren't speaking up and willing to tell leadership negative news. The answer they came up with was a look of 'emotional intelligence'.

I pointed out that given:
1. We are being told to assert men can be women and women can be men, in direct contradiction to reality.
2. We're being told to assert an organization that has been at the forefront of EO, requires annual training on that policy, and enforces EO and holds folk accountable is 'systematically racist'.
Perhaps folks are self-censoring based on a leadership that isn't willing to hear bad news or things they would consider negative. A DoD wide command climate of an inability of leadership to handle negative news.Posted by: you're in hell the world ended at August 14, 2021 11:30 AM (6Xgrw)

The 'leadership' does not understand why a person is reluctant to give bad news to, and make complaints to, someone who writes his/her fitness report???

And when there are more examples every day in the news of employees being fired for not complying with woke crap from employers in civilian life???

We need military 'leadership' with more intelligence.

Posted by: Gref at August 14, 2021 11:38 AM (AMIL/)

236 "I heard on KYW yesterday that the new fad in wedding invites is to enclose a little card that indicates your vaxx/testing status."

That seems stupid. My vax status from August for a wedding in October?
Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at August 14, 2021 11:16 AM (49Exr)

Is NOYB an option?

Or an addendum about herpes and HIV status?

Posted by: LASue at August 14, 2021 11:38 AM (Ed8Zd)

237 Eric Prince on Bannon's war room. Already 1000 Taliban walking around in Kabul.

https://tinyurl.com/65npr4ra

Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know at August 14, 2021 11:39 AM (AHq56)

238 See Aug 20 SF " High impact " indoor centers will require a Vax passport.

Posted by: Skip at August 14, 2021 11:39 AM (znIQ9)

239
Did you know researchers are trying to perfect some sort of brain stimulant (I'm not sure if it's a pill or some other form of zapping the brain) to cause "bad" criminals to believe they've spent 1000 years in prison, when it's only been about 8 hours?

There was a Star Trek: Deep Space Nine episode with that idea.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 14, 2021 11:39 AM (63Dwl)

240 Perhaps folks are self-censoring based on a leadership that isn't willing to hear bad news or things they would consider negative. A DoD wide command climate of an inability of leadership to handle negative news.
Posted by: you're in hell the world ended at August 14, 2021 11:30 AM (6Xgrw)
***

In the 70's following Viet Nam, the Army went thru a period of internal review with the goal of shaking off the VN "malaise" (if I may use that word). The senior officers wanted it and paid attention to the results. I'm not sure the current crop of leaders are that intuitive to ask for such a review, much less accept the findings.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 14, 2021 11:40 AM (axyOa)

241 Maybe your browser settings? It shows a graph of vax hesitancy by education attainment and PhD is the highest bar. It's from a study by Carnegie Mellon University.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at August 14, 2021 11:08 AM (l5FxP)

I use Brave. It blocks a lot of scripts. I hate websites that demand my browser do a lot of tricks before they will even deign to display a page. Fuck 'em. Communists.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 14, 2021 11:40 AM (8m/vg)

242 Intelligence 2001: Who could have predicted 9/11?

Intelligence 2021: Who could have predicted Taliban would take over Afghanistan in a week once we left?

The more things change, there is always one constant.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at August 14, 2021 11:40 AM (l5FxP)

243 It's amazing to see people who would have no problem with each other suddenly at each other's throats because they can't "read" the other person. There's a reason humans have evolved to be so good at analyzing facial expressions, and why it's so difficult for CGI to adequately portray them.
Posted by: pep at August 14, 2021 11:31 AM (ZsR3z)

I'm assuming there are many places of employment like mine, where "meetings" are still conducted by video screens. Even when some people in the meetings are SITTING IN THE SAME FREAKIN' ROOM, AND HAVE TO TURN THEIR SPEAKERS OFF WHEN SOMEONE IN THEIR ROOM SPEAKS, LEST IT ECHO AND REVERBERATE ALL OVER THE PLACE!

And if you haven't noticed bosses are more snide and rude and inhuman this way, you either work for a saint, or you aren't paying attention.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2021 11:41 AM (5ieoM)

244 215 The Taliban have at least one helicopter now after pilot deserts to the Taliban:

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at August 14, 20

That choppa will crash soon due to over confident goat humpers or lack of maintenance.

We discussed Diesel engine maintenance the other day, choppers need moar.

Posted by: clutch at August 14, 2021 11:41 AM (9UmRs)

245 211 I went to a medical establishment yesterday, fully expecting to have to max up.

portmanteau of "mask" and "vax"?

Posted by: Anachronda, gallivanting about the intermountain west at August 14, 2021 11:41 AM (O/Kpe)

246 The senior officers wanted it and paid attention to the results. I'm not sure the current crop of leaders are that intuitive to ask for such a review, much less accept the findings.

I suspect the current senior leadership is about as receptive to criticism and new ideas as the Khmer Rouge's.

Posted by: pep at August 14, 2021 11:41 AM (ZsR3z)

247 The taliban isn't going to do anything on the 11th. I don't think they had much to do with the original attack, except they supposedly harbored Bin Laden, but that was probably Pakistan all along.

Posted by: Drerbrerard at August 14, 2021 11:42 AM (Uzh5E)

248 Said this before but the mask on some women is kinda sexy. Some eyes are just really breathtaking on their own.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at August 14, 2021 11:42 AM (l5FxP)

249 Bingo! You want to really "win" in Afstan? March in, in force, and take over the whole country. Declare it "The U.S. Colony of Afstan", and tell all the people, "we own your asses, goatfuckers. Do as you are told, and you can live a pretty good life. Fuck us around, and we hunt you down and kill you." Ban islam, kill any person who tries to promote it. Let armedChristian and Mormon missionaries have the run of the place. Meanwhile, exploit all the resources.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 14, 2021 11:37 AM (8m/vg)

I've been noodling with the idea for a story about a Catholic billionaire who funds an army of volunteers to save Kabul, establishing the city and the 100 miles in each direction as the Christina "Kingdom of Kabul."

Back since about 2005 I've thought that we should have taken over a couple valleys in Afg, taken in all the war orphans under 12, and spent a decade raising them in western communities, with military training. You have to look long-term at changing the culture.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at August 14, 2021 11:42 AM (jOcSX)

250
Intelligence 2021: Who could have predicted Taliban would take over Afghanistan in a week once we left?

Hey! YOU try keeping two dozen domestic "insurgents' plots" created by your very own self in the air at once!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 14, 2021 11:43 AM (+2sc/)

251 Let's allow Bill Kristol to lead the forces to retake Khandahar. Any dogface soldier asked to go back into Afghanistan should refuse the order.

Posted by: Too Bad Costa Rica Sucks at August 14, 2021 11:43 AM (oWBc3)

252 If a tweet error-style page shows up for you, hit the Retry button; then hit the Back Arrow that should take you to some sort of Twatter home page; then hit the back Arrow again to go back to the original tweet and it should show properly this time. Three keystrokes.

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at August 14, 2021 11:43 AM (UHVv4)

253 I had a CEO at a megacorp who was adamant that we should be working on ten-year outlooks, and didn't care about any given quarter. That's rare, but he didn't think the quarter-to-quarter guys were *bad*, just wrong, and that their advice on his plans was unwanted and would go unheeded.

What's going on in Western governments is bad. It's not shortsightedness. It's just greed, power-lust, and often pure malice. It's reflected in everything they do, including our warfighting """strategies."""

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 14, 2021 11:43 AM (GdOWZ)

254 Said this before but the mask on some women is kinda sexy. Some eyes are just really breathtaking on their own.

I've noticed that about my wife. (No, she isn't reading over my shoulder)

Posted by: pep at August 14, 2021 11:43 AM (ZsR3z)

255
My cousin was disinvited from a wedding for refusing to fill out that little vax card with the invite.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at August 14, 2021 11:38 AM (Bmy3R)

The more I'm learning about COVID data in highly vaxxed areas, the more I'm glad they're determined to keep me out. Then they won't be able to blame me when they're the epicenter of a COVID outbreak.

Posted by: kallisto at August 14, 2021 11:44 AM (DJFLF)

256 The taliban isn't going to do anything on the 11th. I don't think they had much to do with the original attack, except they supposedly harbored Bin Laden, but that was probably Pakistan all along.
Posted by: Drerbrerard at August 14, 2021 11:42 AM (Uzh5E)

They allowed Bin Laden and AQ to operate in Afghanistan for years. The Taliban let a lot of groups operate training camps in the region because it was profitable. The Pakistanis knew about it because they encouraged it. The ISI has long viewed Afghanistan as a source of military manpower in the event of a war with India.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at August 14, 2021 11:44 AM (jOcSX)

257 Said this before but the mask on some women is kinda sexy. Some eyes are just really breathtaking on their own.

I've noticed that about my wife. (No, she isn't reading over my shoulder)
Posted by: pep at August 14, 2021 11:43 AM (ZsR3z)

Liar liar pants on fire!

Posted by: Diogenes at August 14, 2021 11:44 AM (axyOa)

258 Guess Dominican Republic was ok.
Posted by: BignJames

That was my first thought.

Posted by: Infidel at August 14, 2021 11:44 AM (VDqwV)

259 Ban islam, kill any person who tries to promote it. Let armedChristian and Mormon missionaries have the run of the place. Meanwhile, exploit all the resources.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 14, 2021 11:37 AM (8m/vg)

So... basically 15th century all over again.

Or we could just leave, and not give an F what they do with the place.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2021 11:44 AM (5ieoM)

260 Said this before but the mask on some women is kinda sexy. Some eyes are just really breathtaking on their own.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at August 14, 2021 11:42 AM (l5FxP)

Me: "I wonder if she has Steve Buscemi teefs."

Posted by: Pug Mahon, not a fake x8Wzq at August 14, 2021 11:45 AM (x8Wzq)

261 >>249 Bingo! You want to really "win" in Afstan? March in, in force, and take over the whole country. Declare it "The U.S. Colony of Afstan", and tell all the people, "we own your asses, goatfuckers. Do as you are told, and you can live a pretty good life. Fuck us around, and we hunt you down and kill you." Ban islam, kill any person who tries to promote it. Let armedChristian and Mormon missionaries have the run of the place. Meanwhile, exploit all the resources.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 14, 2021 11:37 AM (8m/vg)

Suggested edit: Afstan? Take over the whole country kill any person exploit all resources.

Posted by: ZOD at August 14, 2021 11:45 AM (xK9An)

262 The unmasked woman in a sea of masked women...she's the sexy one to me.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at August 14, 2021 11:46 AM (Bmy3R)

263 Said this before but the mask on some women is kinda sexy. Some eyes are just really breathtaking on their own.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at August 14, 2021 11:42 AM (l5FxP)

Ditto the Islamic veil. Not the full burka, but the women wearing modest western clothes and a veil over her head and across her face can be very lovely.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at August 14, 2021 11:46 AM (jOcSX)

264 Said this before but the mask on some women is kinda sexy. Some eyes are just really breathtaking on their own.
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I've noticed that about my wife. (No, she isn't reading over my shoulder)
Posted by: pep at August 14, 2021 11:43 AM (ZsR3z)

I've noticed more than once, seeing a pair of eyes and thinking the woman was gorgeous, only to LATER see them without the maks, and the rest of the face looks like Elmer Fudd.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2021 11:46 AM (5ieoM)

265 oooooh new reality TV show idea. The Bachelor but everyone wears a mask the entire time. You only get to see 1/2 the face and make the decision based only from the nose up.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at August 14, 2021 11:47 AM (l5FxP)

266 Mrs. Sock, after 18 years of giving 110% to the local school district she's been employed at is facing the get vaccinated or get fired dilemma. It's one of only 5, single school districts in the state. The majority of the employees appear to be not vaccinated by their comments. Superintendent is empathetic and knows losing even a minority of his key employees may doom the district yet Washington state's response to violating districts will be to cut off state funding.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Fortis et liber at August 14, 2021 11:47 AM (3C1R+)

267 The unmasked woman in a sea of masked women...she's the sexy one to me.
Posted by: Guy Smiley at August 14, 2021 11:46 AM (Bmy3R)

Youthful beauty is fleeting. Brains last forever.

Posted by: Napoleon XIV at August 14, 2021 11:47 AM (AiZBA)

268 Said this before but the mask on some women is kinda sexy. Some eyes are just really breathtaking on their own.
Posted by: Joe XiDen
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I ran into an older lady that I know the other day, who was wearing a mask. I've never thought about her as attractive, or unattractive, but I was almost stunned by the beauty of her eyes, which I had never noticed, really.

Haven't gotten over it yet.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 14, 2021 11:47 AM (L47aO)

269 I am so glad to be US Army retired

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy is a great start, but there is so much more to be done! at August 14, 2021 11:48 AM (gpKIi)

270 >>mask

Eyes without a face. Got no human grace.

Posted by: ZOD at August 14, 2021 11:48 AM (xK9An)

271 246 The senior officers wanted it and paid attention to the results. I'm not sure the current crop of leaders are that intuitive to ask for such a review, much less accept the findings.

I suspect the current senior leadership is about as receptive to criticism and new ideas as the Khmer Rouge's.

Posted by: pep at August 14, 2021 11:41 AM (ZsR3z)

Some, hopefully a lot, of NCOs and officers must be receptive to input about about tactics, equipment, food, and other basic military topics. But receptive to input/complaints about woke-type crap and COVID vaccinations and reduction of standards to increase the number of females in combat and combat support units? I doubt it.

Posted by: Gref at August 14, 2021 11:48 AM (AMIL/)

272 Eyes without a face. Got no human grace.
Posted by: ZOD at August 14, 2021 11:48 AM (xK9An)

Not just an Idol, but also a prophet.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2021 11:48 AM (5ieoM)

273 The taliban isn't going to do anything on the 11th.

It is common knowledge that the muzzies in general love anniversaries. Dozens of terror events have been done on dates important to the perps.
Will 9/11 have any event? Probably. But not necessarily the tallies.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 14, 2021 11:49 AM (axyOa)

274 There was a Star Trek: Deep Space Nine episode with that idea.
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That happened to O'Brien; I don't know the episode name offhand.

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at August 14, 2021 11:49 AM (UHVv4)

275
Youthful beauty is fleeting. Brains last forever.
Posted by: Napoleon XIV

Not mine!

-- SloJoe, "Chocolate, thanks for asking!"

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 14, 2021 11:49 AM (+2sc/)

276 Sock Monkey * Fortis et liber at August 14, 2021 11:47 AM (3C1R+)

Are Mrs. Sock's and all her unvaxxed coworkers' headaches and back pains any better lately? They really shouldn't have to go back to work one more minute until those symptoms are checked out by their primary and then a specialist.

Posted by: kallisto at August 14, 2021 11:49 AM (DJFLF)

277 I ran into an older lady that I know the other day, who was wearing a mask. I've never thought about her as attractive, or unattractive, but I was almost stunned by the beauty of her eyes, which I had never noticed, really.

Haven't gotten over it yet.
Posted by: Mike Hammer

The eyes are up here, man. Up here. ^^^

Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2021 11:49 AM (RTTbl)

278 I was thinking of the wonderful moment when Christopher Hitchens gave his middle finger to Bill Maher's howling monkey audience. That's the attitude completely missing today.

Posted by: Ordinary American at August 14, 2021 11:49 AM (DbihG)

279 266 Mrs. Sock, after 18 years of giving 110% to the local school district she's been employed at is facing the get vaccinated or get fired dilemma. It's one of only 5, single school districts in the state. The majority of the employees appear to be not vaccinated by their comments. Superintendent is empathetic and knows losing even a minority of his key employees may doom the district yet Washington state's response to violating districts will be to cut off state funding.
Posted by: Sock Monkey * Fortis et liber at August 14, 2021 11:47 AM (3C1R+)

My teacher wife is worried about the same thing in MI. She has asthma pretty bad which makes mask wearing difficult.

Posted by: clutch at August 14, 2021 11:49 AM (9UmRs)

280 Prediction: The Afghan male homosexual population will drop. Quickly.

Posted by: ZOD at August 14, 2021 11:50 AM (xK9An)

281 I've noticed more than once, seeing a pair of eyes and thinking the woman was gorgeous, only to LATER see them without the maks, and the rest of the face looks like Elmer Fudd.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2021 11:46 AM (5ieoM)

I'm a woman, and I've even noticed that. There is a girl who works in one of the shops at the airport. She has beautiful eyes. I was walking in to work the other day at the same time she was walking in. She didn't have a mask on and the rest of her face is all pointy. She looks like a rat.

Posted by: Jordan61 at August 14, 2021 11:51 AM (K0bra)

282 You people have jumped the fucking shark. There is nothing sexy about a mask or a veil or anything of the sort. Face coverings are an abomination before God in whose image we are made.

Posted by: Too Bad Costa Rica Sucks at August 14, 2021 11:51 AM (oWBc3)

283
The eyes are up here, man. Up here. ^^^
Posted by: rickb223
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[recollects hysterical SNL skit (not to be found online), 'Their Eyes Were On Their Breasts']

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 14, 2021 11:51 AM (L47aO)

284 Anyone else think that Dan Crenshaw's CIA?

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess, #SuperStraight #EnemyOfTheState (Mzdiz) at August 14, 2021 11:52 AM (Mzdiz)

285 My poor friend is at her son's wedding today. The bride's dress already had to be let out 3 times at each fitting pre-Big Day. My friend calls the gown, The Cow Dress. And the bride really is an ungainly horrible beast.

I feel bad for the groom. I guess no one ever told him the moment he signs the wedding license, the beejers END.

Posted by: kallisto at August 14, 2021 11:52 AM (DJFLF)

286 >>282 You people have jumped the fucking shark. There is nothing sexy about a mask or a veil or anything of the sort. Face coverings are an abomination before God in whose image we are made. Posted by: Too Bad Costa Rica Sucks at August 14, 2021 11:51 AM (oWBc3)

Put your mask on. We are all in this together.

Posted by: ZOD at August 14, 2021 11:52 AM (xK9An)

287 She looks like a rat.

Posted by: Jordan61 at August 14, 2021 11:51 AM (K0bra)

There's a reason George Jones was called 'Possum.

Posted by: BignJames at August 14, 2021 11:52 AM (AwYPR)

288 284 Anyone else think that Dan Crenshaw's CIA?
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess, #SuperStraight #EnemyOfTheState (Mzdiz) at August 14, 2021 11:52 AM (Mzdiz)

___

Cuck
In
Action

Yeah.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at August 14, 2021 11:52 AM (l5FxP)

289 Youthful beauty is fleeting. Brains last forever.

See, that's what I keep saying.

Posted by: Joe B. from Scranton at August 14, 2021 11:53 AM (nfrXX)

290 >>284 Anyone else think that Dan Crenshaw's CIA?
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess, #SuperStraight #EnemyOfTheState (Mzdiz) at August 14, 2021 11:52 AM (Mzdiz)

Too smart.

Posted by: ZOD at August 14, 2021 11:53 AM (xK9An)

291 253 I had a CEO at a megacorp who was adamant that we should be working on ten-year outlooks, and didn't care about any given quarter. That's rare, but he didn't think the quarter-to-quarter guys were *bad*, just wrong, and that their advice on his plans was unwanted and would go unheeded.

What's going on in Western governments is bad. It's not shortsightedness. It's just greed, power-lust, and often pure malice. It's reflected in everything they do, including our warfighting """strategies."""

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 14, 2021 11:43 AM (GdOWZ)

The pace of technological and societal changes these days in the US and EU may soon make 10-day outlooks a crap shoot in many economic sectors.

Posted by: Gref at August 14, 2021 11:54 AM (AMIL/)

292 At this point, I assume that everyone who voluntarily wears a mask is hiding a fugly face.

Posted by: LASue at August 14, 2021 11:54 AM (Ed8Zd)

293 Youthful beauty is fleeting. Brains last forever.

Posted by: Napoleon XIV at August 14, 2021 11:47 AM (AiZBA)

I beg to differ.

Posted by: Nurse Jill Biden at August 14, 2021 11:54 AM (Mzdiz)

294 Said this before but the mask on some women is kinda sexy.

Indubitably.

Posted by: Fredo at August 14, 2021 11:55 AM (Xrfse)

295 [recollects hysterical SNL skit (not to be found online), 'Their Eyes Were On Their Breasts']
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.
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Found a still. What made it particularly funny was that the eyes were articulated, moved, blinked, https://tinyurl.com/k9fcj2bn

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 14, 2021 11:56 AM (L47aO)

296 Superintendent is empathetic and knows losing even a minority of his key employees may doom the district yet Washington state's response to violating districts will be to cut off state funding.
Posted by: Sock Monkey * Fortis et liber at August 14, 2021 11:47 AM (3C1R+)

Ya know Sock. Sounds like a great opportunity for the administrators to resign from the WA State school system and go private. Tell inslee to go pack sand.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 14, 2021 11:56 AM (axyOa)

297 Said this before but the mask on some women is kinda sexy.

'wink'

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at August 14, 2021 11:56 AM (AMIL/)

298 248 Said this before but the mask on some women is kinda sexy. Some eyes are just really breathtaking on their own.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at August 14, 2021 11:42 AM (l5FxP)

*smacks Joe XiDen upside da head*

Posted by: Emmie at August 14, 2021 11:57 AM (a20qm)

299 For whoever asked above about the professorial CA arsonist's 'discipline'... "Dr. Gary Maynard was listed as a lecturer in criminal justice studies specializing in criminal justice, cults and deviant behavior."

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at August 14, 2021 11:58 AM (UHVv4)

300 Are Mrs. Sock's and all her unvaxxed coworkers' headaches and back pains any better lately? They really shouldn't have to go back to work one more minute until those symptoms are checked out by their primary and then a specialist.
Posted by: kallisto

The discussions have centered around medical and religious exemptions. The language used by the State superintendent subtly implies that once the vaccines have FDA approval, exemptions will be looked at very stringently. The way I read it was " our lawyer is bigger than yours".

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Fortis et liber at August 14, 2021 11:58 AM (3C1R+)

301 I have yet to see a mask that makes anyone sexy. It's just pathetic.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess, #SuperStraight #maskless (Mzdiz) at August 14, 2021 11:59 AM (Mzdiz)

302
My friend calls the gown, The Cow Dress.

I think the name "Cow Palace" is again available.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 14, 2021 11:59 AM (+2sc/)

303 'wink'

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at August 14, 2021 11:56 AM (AMIL/)

Nancy sucking her teeth....sexy.

Posted by: BignJames at August 14, 2021 11:59 AM (AwYPR)

304 Said this before but the mask on some women is kinda sexy.

'wink'
Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at August 14, 2021 11:56 AM (AMIL/)

She's gonna need a bigger mask.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 14, 2021 11:59 AM (axyOa)

305 You people have jumped the f***ing shark. There is nothing sexy about a mask or a veil or anything of the sort. Face coverings are an abomination before God in whose image we are made.

Posted by: Too Bad Costa Rica Sucks

Lighten up, Francis.

Posted by: pep at August 14, 2021 11:59 AM (ZsR3z)

306 "Funny, I work in DoD and leadership is concerned that folks aren't speaking up and willing to tell leadership negative news. The answer they came up with was a look of 'emotional intelligence'."

I was in a meeting 1.5-2 years ago with a bunch of senior officers asking how the TAG (head of state National Guard) should react to all the racial protests going on. The public affairs officer (O6), thought the TAG and governor should "take a knee" publicly and voice solidarity with the peaceful goals of the protesters.

No one said anything for a minute, so I (O5) said I didn't think that was a good idea, as many Guard members would feel like it was a betrayal of law and order, good discipline, etc. He didn't understand, but thankfully, others were then willing to step up and advise against. Madness.

Posted by: National Guard Guy at August 14, 2021 12:00 PM (3MG/9)

307 >>301 I have yet to see a mask that makes anyone sexy. It's just pathetic. Posted by: Miley, the Duchess, #SuperStraight #maskless (Mzdiz) at August 14, 2021 11:59 AM (Mzdiz)

How *you* doin?

Posted by: Leatherface at August 14, 2021 12:00 PM (xK9An)

308 Prediction: The Afghan male homosexual population will drop. Quickly.
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And then stop all of a sudden.

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at August 14, 2021 12:01 PM (UHVv4)

309 COVID deserves to be worked into an "Evidently Chickentown" riff.

Posted by: ZOD at August 14, 2021 12:01 PM (xK9An)

310 My friend calls the gown, The Cow Dress.

I think the name "Cow Palace" is again available.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 14, 2021 11:59 AM (+2sc/)

Heh
These is a venue just down the road from me called the Kelley Glade farm. It's a converted barn that overlooks a valley. Very beautiful and used as a wedding venue all summer long. Pricy too.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 14, 2021 12:02 PM (axyOa)

311 Prediction: The Afghan male homosexual population will drop. Quickly.
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And then stop all of a sudden.
Posted by: andycanuck
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ISWYDT

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 14, 2021 12:02 PM (WZ5i4)

312 You people have jumped the f***ing shark. There is nothing sexy about a mask or a veil or anything of the sort. Face coverings are an abomination before God in whose image we are made.

___

FFS chill.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at August 14, 2021 12:02 PM (l5FxP)

313 It's probably best not to interfere with mating sharks.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 14, 2021 12:03 PM (WZ5i4)

314 Ya know Sock. Sounds like a great opportunity for the administrators to resign from the WA State school system and go private. Tell inslee to go pack sand.
Posted by: Diogenes

Board meeting is next week. That's the scenario I would like to see. I'm not familiar with the current board, but having dealt with a number of boards in my professional career, I'm not optimistic that anyone possesses the cahoonas required.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Fortis et liber at August 14, 2021 12:03 PM (3C1R+)

315 What if Biden just stays in Camp David, and we have a president in exile?

Posted by: m at August 14, 2021 12:03 PM (Y3SPi)

316 "There is nothing sexy about a mask or a veil or anything of the sort."

Yes Master.

Posted by: Jeannie at August 14, 2021 12:04 PM (Tnijr)

317 Prediction: The Afghan male homosexual population will drop. Quickly.
----------------------------
And then stop all of a sudden.
Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at August 14, 2021 12:01 PM (UHVv4)

Won't stop them from buggering young boys, though, because in their twisted world view, buggering young boys is what a "manly man" does. It's the young boys who will be hanged for accepting buggery.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 14, 2021 12:04 PM (9+wDh)

318 The mask isn't sexy. Ever. All it does is make you notice their eyes.

Posted by: buzzion at August 14, 2021 12:05 PM (vMCab)

319 312 Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at August 14, 2021 12:02 PM (l5FxP)

Yeah nothing hotter than Jen "Carpenter's Dream" Psaki's dead doll eyes in a mini-burqa because of "the worstest plague EVAH!" that is less lethal than a bad flu.

Yeah invoking God's image and the frothing at the mouth was a bit over the top, but have you noticed that EVERY millimeter we have given on CUOMO19 has been paid back with the loss of miles of normalcy?

When will America put its big boy pants on an accept that having crossed the species barrier several times CUOMO is now "the new normal" or is it nasal condoms in perpetuity?

Posted by: sven at August 14, 2021 12:05 PM (Lzpvj)

320 I don;t know where we got it in our head that to truly "win" a war we had to transform it into a 51st state.

Posted by: Blago at August 14, 2021 10:55 AM (jQRLH)

World War II and Korea - occupying and remaking axis powers and divided Korea. And since two were on the front line in the cold war, no need to ever finish up and go home.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 14, 2021 12:06 PM (EJbIh)

321 307 >>301 I have yet to see a mask that makes anyone sexy. It's just pathetic. Posted by: Miley, the Duchess, #SuperStraight #maskless (Mzdiz) at August 14, 2021 11:59 AM (Mzdiz)

How *you* doin?
Posted by: Leatherface at August 14, 2021 12:00 PM (xK9An)

/picks up microphone...

Posted by: Humongous, Warlord of the Wasteland! at August 14, 2021 12:06 PM (oHd/0)

322 No one said anything for a minute, so I (O5) said I didn't think that was a good idea, as many Guard members would feel like it was a betrayal of law and order, good discipline, etc. He didn't understand, but thankfully, others were then willing to step up and advise against. Madness.
Posted by: National Guard Guy at August 14, 2021 12:00 PM (3MG/9)

I've had commanders call me on saying something dumb (fortunately not too frequently) but I never had a boss complain when I spoke my mind.
Maybe I was just lucky.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 14, 2021 12:07 PM (axyOa)

323 We're to sexy for our masks *hic* for our masks *hic*. Stay safe.

Posted by: Suburban Wine Moms at August 14, 2021 12:07 PM (Xrfse)

324 My friend calls the gown, The Cow Dress.

I've noticed watching Say yes to the dress... I know,I know... that a lot of the Brides when they show a photo with their Fianc�e, .. were a lot thinner.. Seems like once they hook them they let it all hang out so to speak

Posted by: It's me donna at August 14, 2021 12:08 PM (I2VcN)

325 >>Yeah nothing hotter than Jen "Carpenter's Dream" Psaki's dead doll eyes Posted by: sven at August 14, 2021 12:05 PM (Lzpvj)

Nice udder, though.

Posted by: ZOD at August 14, 2021 12:08 PM (xK9An)

326 How *you* doin?

Posted by: Leatherface at August 14, 2021 12:00 PM (xK9An)

Smiling!

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess, #SuperStraight #maskless (Mzdiz) at August 14, 2021 12:08 PM (Mzdiz)

327 Wear your mask. We are all in Jen Psaki together.

Posted by: ZOD at August 14, 2021 12:09 PM (xK9An)

328 325 Posted by: ZOD at August 14, 2021 12:08 PM (xK9An)

"The sirens of elder abuse!"

//Starring Doctor Grace Zhill Bai-Dan and Jen "Doll's Eyes" Psaki

Posted by: sven at August 14, 2021 12:09 PM (Lzpvj)

329 Islam loves anniversary dates

Posted by: Skip at August 14, 2021 12:10 PM (znIQ9)

330 "The sirens of elder abuse!"

//Starring Doctor Grace Zhill Bai-Dan and Jen "Doll's Eyes" Psaki

I have a feeling joes "vacation" is for detox.. Taking that many drugs could be fatal

Posted by: It's me donna at August 14, 2021 12:10 PM (I2VcN)

331 But how they royalty fked up 9/11 and 11/9 is crazy

Posted by: Skip at August 14, 2021 12:11 PM (znIQ9)

332 OT: CEO of Snopes suspended for lying, stealing content (plagiarism), using fake identities.

https://tinyurl.com/pmhfym8
https://tinyurl.com/3v9xjut7

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 14, 2021 12:12 PM (ynpvh)

333 . All it does is make you notice their eyes.
Posted by: buzzion

Sexy eyes were always the second thing I noticed. Nothing has changed.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Fortis et liber at August 14, 2021 12:12 PM (3C1R+)

334 I had a CEO at a megacorp who was adamant that we should be working on ten-year outlooks, and didn't care about any given quarter. That's rare, but he didn't think the quarter-to-quarter guys were *bad*, just wrong, and that their advice on his plans was unwanted and would go unheeded.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 14, 2021 11:43 AM (GdOWZ)

The danger with these supposed 10 year views is that those who set them up don't have to live with the consequences. The insane projection of a happy fun colonization of Communist China's business worked out fine for those giving themselves bonuses in the 90s. Not so well for the companies now, and of course the US was paying the price long before now.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 14, 2021 12:12 PM (EJbIh)

335 World War II and Korea - occupying and remaking axis powers and divided Korea. And since two were on the front line in the cold war, no need to ever finish up and go home.
Posted by: Oldcat at August 14, 2021 12:06 PM (EJbIh)

Yup...When Mao sent his "volunteers" into Korea we should have found in what Chinese city he was holed up in an nuked it. Whoever took his place would have gotten the message.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 14, 2021 12:12 PM (R/m4+)

336 Islam loves anniversary dates
Posted by: Skip at August 14, 2021 12:10 PM (znIQ9)

But do they calculate them by the real calendar, or by their goofy lunar calendar?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 14, 2021 12:12 PM (9+wDh)

337 >>I have a feeling joes "vacation" is for detox.. Taking that many drugs could be fatal Posted by: It's me donna at August 14, 2021 12:10 PM (I2VcN)

There's an ice-cream truck at Camp David. Children like ice cream.

Jobiden likes ice cream, too.

Posted by: ZOD at August 14, 2021 12:12 PM (xK9An)

338 Yeah nothing hotter than Jen "Carpenter's Dream" Psaki's dead doll eyes Posted by: sven at August 14, 2021 12:05 PM (Lzpvj)

Nice udder, though.
Posted by: ZOD at August 14, 2021 12:08 PM (xK9An)

She'd look best in a burka.
At night.
Behind her husband.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 14, 2021 12:12 PM (axyOa)

339 Important question, does the American embassy have a roof helicopter pad. Would hope the last ones up on the roof have someplace to go. Didn't the building cost over a billion dollars or something.

Posted by: Colin at August 14, 2021 12:12 PM (DT+/x)

340 Gay Milley above = ice cream cone

Posted by: ZOD at August 14, 2021 12:13 PM (xK9An)

341 "You people have jumped the fucking shark"

Is the shark masked?

Ooooh dreamy!

Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at August 14, 2021 12:13 PM (49Exr)

342 Opposition to COVID measures is now terrorism?

Well, at least government is being consistent when it comes to their view of that pesky Bill of Rights.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at August 14, 2021 12:13 PM (2SdPm)

343 >>She'd look best in a burka.
At night.
Behind her husband.
Posted by: Diogenes at August 14, 2021 12:12 PM (axyOa)

There's a haiku in this.

Posted by: ZOD at August 14, 2021 12:14 PM (xK9An)

344 342 Opposition to COVID measures is now terrorism?

Wasn't that inevitable?

Posted by: Ordinary American at August 14, 2021 12:14 PM (DbihG)

345 332 Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 14, 2021 12:12 PM (ynpvh)

so do we look at the devouring of CUOMO, Newsome, and SNOPEY-D as a good or bad thing?

In a competitive republic it is good, if we are in a socialist hellhole in perpetuity it means we are at the Bolshoi v Menshevik stage....then come the pogroms and "Kommisars and Kulaks"

Posted by: sven at August 14, 2021 12:14 PM (Lzpvj)

346 An organization I belong to had their opening-of-the-year party on 9/11 last year. I did not go. This year it's scheduled again for 9/11. I'm not going. How tone-deaf can they possibly be.

Posted by: m at August 14, 2021 12:14 PM (Y3SPi)

347 301 I have yet to see a mask that makes anyone sexy. It's just pathetic.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess, #SuperStraight #maskless (Mzdiz) at August 14, 2021 11:59 AM (Mzdiz)

but it does cover the ugly.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 14, 2021 12:14 PM (ynpvh)

348 I'm sorry it's twatter but this guy is running (almost??) realtime video from Afghanistan including taking over Kandahar's Governor's office.
https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff

I hate Microsoft too but it is fully accessible using MS Edge for viewing that I only use for reading twatter threads.

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at August 14, 2021 12:15 PM (UHVv4)

349 Is that HOmeland shit for real !?

Posted by: runner at August 14, 2021 12:15 PM (V13WU)

350 You people go in the water. Cage goes in the water. Jumping fucking shark is in the water.

Farewell and adieu you ladies of Spain.

Posted by: ZOD at August 14, 2021 12:16 PM (xK9An)

351 345 332 Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 14, 2021 12:12 PM (ynpvh)
so do we look at the devouring of CUOMO, Newsome, and SNOPEY-D as a good or bad thing?
In a competitive republic it is good, if we are in a socialist hellhole in perpetuity it means we are at the Bolshoi v Menshevik stage....then come the pogroms and "Kommisars and Kulaks"
Posted by: sven at August 14, 2021 12:14 PM (Lzpvj)

I look at it with mixed feelings. Love the shadenfruede, but not looking forward to what comes next.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 14, 2021 12:16 PM (ynpvh)

352 I'll say it once. The people who like women masked have got big mental problems. You're perception of God's image is fucked up.

Posted by: Justsayin' at August 14, 2021 12:17 PM (Fs5vw)

353 so do we look at the devouring of CUOMO, Newsome, and SNOPEY-D as a good or bad thing?

In a competitive republic it is good, if we are in a socialist hellhole in perpetuity it means we are at the Bolshoi v Menshevik stage....then come the pogroms and "Kommisars and Kulaks"
Posted by: sven at August 14, 2021 12:14 PM (Lzpvj)

Frauds and criminals going down is always a good thing, even if they are being taken down by bigger ones. The big criminals hide behind the smaller ones.

And don't delude yourself that Cuomo was 'holding them back' for you. He just was elbowing them out of the way to steal for himself.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 14, 2021 12:17 PM (EJbIh)

354 110% / 18 yrs = 6% per year. Impressive for a school employee.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy is a great start, but there is so much more to be done! at August 14, 2021 12:17 PM (gpKIi)

355 There's a haiku in this.
Posted by: ZOD at August 14, 2021 12:14 PM (xK9An)

Dang Zod. You're right.
I should of thought that thru.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 14, 2021 12:17 PM (axyOa)

356 I still want the White House press secretary wench, Psaki, to tell me what is Joe Biden's favorite ice cream cone. Not ice cream. But cone.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at August 14, 2021 12:18 PM (JTpIQ)

357 351 Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 14, 2021 12:16 PM (ynpvh)

"But, but I am a DEMOCRAT LIKE YOU!"

// David "Derp Bukharin" Mikkelson

Posted by: sven at August 14, 2021 12:18 PM (Lzpvj)

358 These is a venue just down the road from me called the Kelley Glade farm. It's a converted barn that overlooks a valley. Very beautiful and used as a wedding venue all summer long. Pricy too.

Barn weddings have been in vogue for a few years around here. Even couples who were raised Catholic, whose parents are still observant, refuse to marry in the Church and take their vows in a barn instead.

Posted by: kallisto at August 14, 2021 12:18 PM (DJFLF)

359 Wasn't that inevitable?
Posted by: Ordinary American at August 14, 2021 12:14 PM (DbihG)
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I suppose so, However, the implication our government is now defining people who believe in due process and the Bill of Rights as terrorists doesn't give me a lot of hope for the future.

Of course, that hope was extinguished many months ago. Having "Opposition to COVID measures" topping the list of terror threats just reinforces my dismay.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at August 14, 2021 12:19 PM (2SdPm)

360 And don't delude yourself that Cuomo was 'holding them back' for you. He just was elbowing them out of the way to steal for himself.
Posted by: Oldcat at August 14, 2021 12:17 PM (EJbIh)

And the murder of the elderly was entirely the great idea of the "establishment" wing, not of the leftists. Same with the organized attacks on religion and Jews in NYC.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 14, 2021 12:19 PM (EJbIh)

361 353 Posted by: Oldcat at August 14, 2021 12:17 PM (EJbIh)

You're under the impression I was thinking CUOMO was a "good guy?"

Okay.

This is the Ogabe/Clinton civil war, and I am just grinning.

Posted by: sven at August 14, 2021 12:19 PM (Lzpvj)

362 If you didn't get it with the threat of killing grandma, you ain't gonna get it.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy is a great start, but there is so much more to be done! at August 14, 2021 12:20 PM (gpKIi)

363 CEO of Snopes suspended for lying, stealing content (plagiarism), using fake identities.

https://tinyurl.com/pmhfym8
https://tinyurl.com/3v9xjut7
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 14, 2021 12:12 PM (ynpvh)
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Meh, he's probably been doing it for a couple of decades. He probably was ousted for groping the wrong person, but, this is the reason given for his ouster.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at August 14, 2021 12:20 PM (2SdPm)

364 I'll say it once. The people who like women masked have got big mental problems. You're perception of God's image is fucked up.
Posted by: Justsayin'

I prefer my women like I prefer my coffee.
Ground up and in the freezer.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2021 12:21 PM (RTTbl)

365 I'll say it once. The people who like women masked have got big mental problems. You're perception of God's image is f***ed up.

Perhaps, but we know the difference between you're and your, so that's nice.

Posted by: pep at August 14, 2021 12:21 PM (ZsR3z)

366 "OK, folks, last question. Go ahead, Steve."

"Thanks you, Jen. The President has said that the troops in Afghanistan are only there to evacuate the embassy staff, but there is no video on YouTube of him fondling your breasts from behind. Is this part of the 'misinformation assistance' that this administration is giving to US social media and your breasts, or will the troops stay there indefinitely?"

Posted by: ZOD at August 14, 2021 12:21 PM (xK9An)

367 348 (almost??) realtime video from Afghanistan including taking over Kandahar's Governor's office.
https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at August 14, 2021 12:15 PM (UHVv4)

Is it awful?

Posted by: m at August 14, 2021 12:21 PM (Y3SPi)

368 This is the Ogabe/Clinton civil war, and I am just grinning.
Posted by: sven at August 14, 2021 12:19 PM (Lzpvj)

Who will win? The Marxists or Maoists or Stalinists. Either way, we are all winners.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy is a great start, but there is so much more to be done! at August 14, 2021 12:21 PM (gpKIi)

369 Sexy eyes were always the second thing I noticed. Nothing has changed.
Posted by: Sock Monkey * Fortis et liber at August 14, 2021 12:12 PM (3C1R+)

Depends on which way she's facing...

Posted by: Diogenes at August 14, 2021 12:21 PM (axyOa)

370 354 110% / 18 yrs = 6% per year. Impressive for a school employee.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy is a great start, but there is so much more to be done! at August 14, 2021 12:17 PM (gpKIi)

More like 4.2% per year, year-over-year. Think compounding/exponential growth.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 14, 2021 12:22 PM (ynpvh)

371 Posted by: kallisto at August 14, 2021 12:18 PM (DJFLF)

So can a priest officiate at a barn wedding? I'm guessing it's not a nuptial Mass because surely the Eucharist couldn't be served or do all RC weddings have the Eucharist served?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 14, 2021 12:22 PM (ai5jE)

372 >>I prefer my women like I prefer my coffee.
Ground up and in the freezer.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2021 12:21 PM (RTTbl)

Well played.

I like mine like I like my women. Weak, black, and bitter.

Posted by: ZOD at August 14, 2021 12:22 PM (xK9An)

373 We had four years of decency, sanity and common sense and even flashes of reformist boldness under Trump. For the first time in my adult life I didn't have to wake up every morning wondering what new horror or stupidity was being unleashed on our country. I didn't have to listen to pathetic fools or cretinour liars dissemble and spin and insult me. But that little window of relief and occasional joy has been slammed shut. Now we're back to our regularly scheduled degradation.

Posted by: Ordinary American at August 14, 2021 12:23 PM (DbihG)

374 366 "OK, folks, last question. Go ahead, Steve."

"Thanks you, Jen. The President has said that the troops in Afghanistan are only there to evacuate the embassy staff, but there is no video on YouTube of him fondling your breasts from behind. Is this part of the 'misinformation assistance' that this administration is giving to US social media and your breasts, or will the troops stay there indefinitely?"
Posted by: ZOD at August 14, 2021 12:21 PM (xK9An)

heh

Posted by: m at August 14, 2021 12:23 PM (Y3SPi)

375 Ground up and in the freezer.
------------------------------
So you like 'em perky?

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at August 14, 2021 12:23 PM (UHVv4)

376 360 And don't delude yourself that Cuomo was 'holding them back' for you. He just was elbowing them out of the way to steal for himself.
Posted by: Oldcat at August 14, 2021 12:17 PM (EJbIh)
And the murder of the elderly was entirely the great idea of the "establishment" wing, not of the leftists. Same with the organized attacks on religion and Jews in NYC.
Posted by: Oldcat at August 14, 2021 12:19 PM (EJbIh)

Kill the (unborn) babies, kill the old. They sure do love them some killing, don't they?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 14, 2021 12:23 PM (ynpvh)

377 Rapes are way down since we have started masking. In the interests of public health, burkas are now mandated by the CDC for all females and female identifying persons.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy is a great start, but there is so much more to be done! at August 14, 2021 12:24 PM (gpKIi)

378
Perhaps, but we know the difference between you're and your, so that's nice.
Posted by: pep at August 14, 2021 12:21 PM (ZsR3z)

Oh my. I feel so ashamed.......NOT!

Posted by: Justsayin' at August 14, 2021 12:24 PM (Fs5vw)

379 Is it awful?
------------------------
No, it's a beautiful clean office with a great desk or did you mean something else, m?

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at August 14, 2021 12:25 PM (UHVv4)

380 Kill the (unborn) babies, kill the old. They sure do love them some killing, don't they?
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 14, 2021 12:23 PM (ynpvh)
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Don't forget endless wars in foreign countries.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at August 14, 2021 12:25 PM (2SdPm)

381 Kill the (unborn) babies, kill the old. They sure do love them some killing, don't they?
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 14, 2021 12:23 PM (ynpvh)

Those who are a burden to the system make things better for everyone if they are no longer a part of the system.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy is a great start, but there is so much more to be done! at August 14, 2021 12:25 PM (gpKIi)

382 They sure do love them some killing, don't they?
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 14, 2021 12:23 PM (ynpvh)

Playing God is fun.

Posted by: Ordinary American at August 14, 2021 12:26 PM (DbihG)

383

The more an institution converges towards the highest abstract standard of social and distributive justice, the less it is able to perform its primary function.

- Vox Day

Posted by: Frankly at August 14, 2021 12:26 PM (Nj7hm)

384 369 Sexy eyes were always the second thing I noticed. Nothing has changed.
Posted by: Sock Monkey * Fortis et liber at August 14, 2021 12:12 PM (3C1R+)

Depends on which way she's facing...
Posted by: Diogenes at August 14, 2021 12:21 PM (axyOa)

That's the fun thing about God's image. It's fun and delicious to look at all of it.

Posted by: Justsayin' at August 14, 2021 12:27 PM (Fs5vw)

385 Is it awful?
------------------------
No, it's a beautiful clean office with a great desk or did you mean something else, m?
Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at August 14, 2021 12:25 PM (UHVv4)
***

He'll be here until Thursday. Please tip your waitress.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 14, 2021 12:27 PM (axyOa)

386 >>Playing God is fun.
Posted by: Ordinary American at August 14, 2021 12:26 PM (DbihG)

For ages 6+.
By Mattel.

Posted by: ZOD at August 14, 2021 12:28 PM (xK9An)

387 383 The more an institution converges towards the highest abstract standard of social and distributive justice, the less it is able to perform its primary function.
- Vox Day

Posted by: Frankly at August 14, 2021 12:26 PM (Nj7hm)

Worse than abstract, highly imaginary and delusional.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 14, 2021 12:28 PM (ynpvh)

388 110% / 18 yrs = 6% per year. Impressive for a school employee.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy

She is responsible for administrating the home school program. You have no idea.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Fortis et liber at August 14, 2021 12:28 PM (3C1R+)

389 So can a priest officiate at a barn wedding? I'm guessing it's not a nuptial Mass because surely the Eucharist couldn't be served or do all RC weddings have the Eucharist served?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 14, 2021 12:22 PM (ai5jE)

Generally no. All weddings are a Catholic Mass. Masses can be celebrated anywhere, but a consecrated altar has to be brought in and the Ordinary (Bishop) has to approve of it.

Posted by: JAS, AoSHQ addict at August 14, 2021 12:30 PM (xopIz)

390 377 Rapes are way down since we have started masking. In the interests of public health, burkas are now mandated by the CDC for all females and female identifying persons.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy is a great start, but there is so much more to be done! at August 14, 2021 12:24 PM (gpKIi)

Speaking of which, CA Gov Newsom has decided that women's prisons need condoms, since the introduction of women with penises and scrota have caused at least 7 women in prison to get pregnant.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 14, 2021 12:30 PM (ynpvh)

391 So can a priest officiate at a barn wedding? I'm guessing it's not a nuptial Mass because surely the Eucharist couldn't be served or do all RC weddings have the Eucharist served?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 14, 2021 12:22 PM (ai5jE)

No, there was no minister present of any denomination.

Only 70% of RCC population attends weekly mass. It doesn't surprise me that Millenials don't believe in the Sacraments. Of which Matrimony is one.

Posted by: kallisto at August 14, 2021 12:30 PM (DJFLF)

392 "I like mine like I like my women. Weak, black, and bitter."

Black women.... only been with three but OMG they were incredible. You know how white women tease that white men have no rhythm? Yeah... if white girls only knew how lame they were in the bedroom compared to black women.

Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at August 14, 2021 12:30 PM (49Exr)

393 Playing God is fun.
Posted by: Ordinary American at August 14, 2021 12:26 PM (DbihG)

For ages 6+.
By Mattel.
Posted by: ZOD at August 14, 2021 12:28 PM (xK9An)

Funny how playing God is never the creation and mercy part, but always the smiting part

Posted by: Oldcat at August 14, 2021 12:31 PM (EJbIh)

394 This reminds me of Nazi influences in this country before the 40s.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at August 14, 2021 12:31 PM (oy1++)

395 Speaking of which, CA Gov Newsom has decided that women's prisons need condoms, since the introduction of women with penises and scrota have caused at least 7 women in prison to get pregnant.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 14, 2021 12:30 PM (ynpvh)

I have "Things one wouldn't have imagined 5 years ago," Alex.

Posted by: golfman at August 14, 2021 12:31 PM (H6twj)

396 392 "I like mine like I like my women. Weak, black, and bitter."
Black women.... only been with three but OMG they were incredible. You know how white women tease that white men have no rhythm? Yeah... if white girls only knew how lame they were in the bedroom compared to black women.
Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at August 14, 2021 12:30 PM (49Exr)

So I guess the "once you go Black you can never go back" is not true in your case?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 14, 2021 12:32 PM (ynpvh)

397 352 I'll say it once. The people who like women masked have got big mental problems. You're perception of God's image is fucked up.
Posted by: Justsayin' at August 14, 2021 12:17 PM (Fs5vw)

__

Shit like this is why DHS thinks we're all terrorists. I made an off handed comment on what I've observed about some women wearings masks. And from that I'm some heathen commie or something.

I mean fuck man, just take a breath. Not everything is a conspiracy or whatever. I don't wear a mask, I don't want mask mandates, I don't think they do shit. But, I have noticed women with nice eyes look sexy in masks.

THAT. IS. ALL.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at August 14, 2021 12:32 PM (l5FxP)

398 When do we get to play with Sonny Cuomo's party tits? I'd like to hook up a Tesla battery to his nipple studs and give him a 405 mile jolt.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at August 14, 2021 12:32 PM (JTpIQ)

399 >>Don't forget endless wars in foreign countries.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at August 14, 2021 12:25 PM (2SdPm)

You'd think our war fighting would follow baseball's farm system: You destroy small countries until you get the hang of it, then you get called up to fight big-league countries.

We can't seem to get out of Palookaville, though...

Posted by: ZOD at August 14, 2021 12:32 PM (xK9An)

400 Only 25% of the regular Novus Ordo Mass attendees believe in the Real Presence.

See what receiving Holy Communion in the hands has wrought.

Posted by: JAS, AoSHQ addict at August 14, 2021 12:33 PM (xopIz)

401 398 When do we get to play with Sonny Cuomo's party tits? I'd like to hook up a Tesla battery to his nipple studs and give him a 405 mile jolt.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at August 14, 2021 12:32 PM (JTpIQ)

AC works better than DC, volt-for-volt.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 14, 2021 12:34 PM (ynpvh)

402 >>395 Speaking of which, CA Gov Newsom has decided that women's prisons need condoms
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 14, 2021 12:30 PM (ynpvh)

(Envisages a prison encased, Kandor-style, in a single, massive, thin latex wrap).

Posted by: ZOD at August 14, 2021 12:36 PM (xK9An)

403 393 Playing God is fun.
Posted by: Ordinary American at August 14, 2021 12:26 PM (DbihG)
For ages 6+.
By Mattel.
Posted by: ZOD at August 14, 2021 12:28 PM (xK9An)
Funny how playing God is never the creation and mercy part, but always the smiting part
Posted by: Oldcat at August 14, 2021 12:31 PM (EJbIh)

As a kid, my brothers and I created this world in sand with soldiers and other toys. The REAL fun came when I destroyed it all. So yes, Smiting is important.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 14, 2021 12:36 PM (ynpvh)

404 Oh yeah. Cat Ass. Your nic seems appropriate since that's where you seem to pull your opinions from. GFY pussy cup.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Fortis et liber at August 14, 2021 12:36 PM (3C1R+)

405 397 Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at August 14, 2021 12:32 PM (l5FxP)

Unable to see eyes before were you?

Posted by: sven at August 14, 2021 12:37 PM (Lzpvj)

406 I'll say it once. The people who like women masked have got big mental problems. You're perception of God's image is fucked up.
Posted by: Justsayin' at August 14, 2021 12:17 PM (Fs5vw)

Come on, man. This is 2021. If a person can't get off THEIR way, without you judging them, then what has this all been for? What has ANY of this been for??

In the dark, everyone wears a mask, and one warm hole feels just like any other.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2021 12:37 PM (5ieoM)

407 I didn't actually read the link by Matt Taibbi, but I hope it doesn't have a connection to the quote by Tolstoy, because Obama was not beautiful. Despite the hagiography around him, he only got elected because he was a smooth talker and lots of people wanted to simply vote for the first Black President. Not beautiful inside or not. If we had wanted to vote for a "beautiful" looking Black President we should have voted for Zombie Sydney Poitier or Halle Berry.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 14, 2021 12:37 PM (ai5jE)

408 402 >>395 Speaking of which, CA Gov Newsom has decided that women's prisons need condoms
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 14, 2021 12:30 PM (ynpvh)

(Envisages a prison encased, Kandor-style, in a single, massive, thin latex wrap).

Posted by: ZOD at August 14, 2021 12:36 PM (xK9An)

Naked Gun movie with Body Condoms.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 14, 2021 12:37 PM (ynpvh)

409 Trump brought more peace and...

What's wrong with peace...lover..understanding?

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at August 14, 2021 12:38 PM (oy1++)

410 Meant "inside or out".

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 14, 2021 12:38 PM (ai5jE)

411 Garden Thread sited.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 14, 2021 12:38 PM (c5G3Z)

412 When the bishops closed the churches and the faithful had no access to the Sacraments, it was implied that the Sacraments don't matter.

"Are you in a state of Mortal Sin? Just pray and Act of Contrition and you'll fine."

Posted by: JAS, AoSHQ addict at August 14, 2021 12:38 PM (xopIz)

413 >>pussy cup.
Posted by: Sock Monkey * Fortis et liber at August 14, 2021 12:36 PM (3C1R+)

Stolen. It seems more 'street' when you spell it as one word, though.

Posted by: ZOD at August 14, 2021 12:39 PM (xK9An)

414 That's lovely and all, and I know everyone is creaming themselves at being able to lay blame for "who lost Afghanistan" on SloJoe, but this farce SHOULD be the last nail in the coffin of Neocon Conservatism.
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We need to grasp some home truths: some peoples - maybe MOST peoples - are just not suited to democratic government, and probably never will be. Oddly enough, they're generally also the ones who are most backward economically and intellectually.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 14, 2021 12:39 PM (5PKx+)

415
I mean fuck man, just take a breath. Not everything is a conspiracy or whatever. I don't wear a mask, I don't want mask mandates, I don't think they do shit. But, I have noticed women with nice eyes look sexy in masks.

THAT. IS. ALL.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at August 14, 2021 12:32 PM (l5FxP

Well then. By all means, enjoy the illusion.

Posted by: Justsayin' at August 14, 2021 12:39 PM (Fs5vw)

416 When do we get to play with Sonny Cuomo's party tits? I'd like to hook up a Tesla battery to his nipple studs and give him a 405 mile jolt.

Posted by: Dr. Bone

Those upside down nose "U's" that girls wear?

9v battery. Light their ass up.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2021 12:39 PM (RTTbl)

417 410 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 14, 2021 12:38 PM (ai5jE)

My Life-Inside and Outside the Closet, a Bronk Ogabe Story.

//Bronk Ogabe

Posted by: sven at August 14, 2021 12:39 PM (Lzpvj)

418 411 Garden Thread sited.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 14, 2021 12:38 PM (c5G3Z)

And seen. NOOOOOD!

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 14, 2021 12:39 PM (ynpvh)

419 So I guess the "once you go Black you can never go back" is not true in your case?

I guess so.... wtf happened there?

Oh I remember now, I wasn't cool enough for any of them. Ha. Pretty sure their After Action Report was very different than mine.

https://tinyurl.com/62ztj2wv

Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at August 14, 2021 12:39 PM (49Exr)

420 395 Speaking of which, CA Gov Newsom has decided that women's prisons need condoms
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 14, 2021 12:30 PM (ynpvh)
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Attaboy Gavin, keep digging your own political grave.

One month to the recall, and counting.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 14, 2021 12:40 PM (5PKx+)

421 414 Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 14, 2021 12:39 PM (5PKx+)

In case you missed it, the Donks and NAMBLincoln GOPers want to take away *our* democratic representation....

seems *we* are not to be trusted to vote either.

Posted by: sven at August 14, 2021 12:40 PM (Lzpvj)

422 420 395 Speaking of which, CA Gov Newsom has decided that women's prisons need condoms
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 14, 2021 12:30 PM (ynpvh)
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Attaboy Gavin, keep digging your own political grave.
One month to the recall, and counting.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 14, 2021 12:40 PM (5PKx+)

Can't wait to early vote.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 14, 2021 12:41 PM (ynpvh)

423 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 14, 2021 12:22 PM (ai5jE)

Generally no. All weddings are a Catholic Mass. Masses can be celebrated anywhere, but a consecrated altar has to be brought in and the Ordinary (Bishop) has to approve of it.
Posted by: JAS, AoSHQ addict at August 14, 2021 12:30 PM (xopIz)

Or to put it another way, there is no earthly limit to how and where God's grace will find a way.

So if you concoct a scenario, and say the Church says it don't work that way, the true answer is, oh yes it does. The Church doesn't deny the possibility of a sacrament occurring wherever and whenever God decides it will.

Including weddings.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2021 12:43 PM (5ieoM)

424 Can't wait to early vote.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 14, 2021 12:41 PM (ynpvh)

And often!!!

Posted by: Diogenes at August 14, 2021 12:44 PM (axyOa)

425 414 That's lovely and all, and I know everyone is creaming themselves at being able to lay blame for "who lost Afghanistan" on SloJoe, but this farce SHOULD be the last nail in the coffin of Neocon Conservatism.
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This. Plus, anything to do with the UN. Our participation and bending the American resolve to other nations' wills is one of the biggest reasons we haven't had clear-cut military victories since WWII.

Posted by: Justsayin' at August 14, 2021 12:45 PM (Fs5vw)

426 425 This. Plus, anything to do with the UN. Our participation and bending the American resolve to other nations' wills is one of the biggest reasons we haven't had clear-cut military victories since WWII.

Posted by: Justsayin' at August 14, 2021 12:45 PM (Fs5vw)

Um, Grenada?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 14, 2021 12:46 PM (ynpvh)

427 That is some really weird stuff-You put male criminals who identify as women but who still have their penis in a women's prison and you get....rape.Gee; What a surprise! /not

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 14, 2021 12:48 PM (ai5jE)

428 329 Islam loves anniversary dates
Posted by: Skip at August 14, 2021 12:10 PM (znIQ9)
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So do communists.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 14, 2021 12:50 PM (5PKx+)

429 427 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 14, 2021 12:48 PM (ai5jE)

You mean criminals will debase themselves in order to satiate their base desires?

//Who could have seen this coming Governors?

Posted by: sven at August 14, 2021 12:50 PM (Lzpvj)

430
Um, Grenada?
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 14, 2021 12:46 PM (ynpvh)

Hmmm. Wasn't Grenada the result of Cuban occupation? That should have given us free rein to go after Cuba.

Posted by: Justsayin' at August 14, 2021 12:52 PM (Fs5vw)

431 fucking test 500 error my ass

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at August 14, 2021 12:53 PM (UHVv4)

432 Can't wait to early vote.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 14, 2021 12:41 PM (ynpvh)
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Not me. I want to wait to the last second so Newsom & Co. don't know how many fraudulent votes they need.

Did you read the voter's guide, with Newsom's rebuttal to the recall pitch? "Handful of partisan activists supporting President Trump" and "demonize (ing) California's people and attack(ing) California's values."

Sounds pretty confident, yes?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 14, 2021 12:54 PM (bNBVj)

433 Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at August 14, 2021 12:53 PM (UHVv4)

ok, so now I *know* you're One of Us!

Posted by: kallisto at August 14, 2021 12:56 PM (DJFLF)

434 Jesus. Someone needs to snort another line of xanax and calm the fuck down.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy is a great start, but there is so much more to be done! at August 14, 2021 12:57 PM (gpKIi)

435 432 Can't wait to early vote.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 14, 2021 12:41 PM (ynpvh)
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Not me. I want to wait to the last second so Newsom & Co. don't know how many fraudulent votes they need.
Did you read the voter's guide, with Newsom's rebuttal to the recall pitch? "Handful of partisan activists supporting President Trump" and "demonize (ing) California's people and attack(ing) California's values."
Sounds pretty confident, yes?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 14, 2021 12:54 PM (bNBVj)

The polls are showing things going side-ways for Newsome. I expect they've already got their cheat machine going full bore, doesn't matter if I vote early or not. I mean, remember how all those states shut down their vote counting AT THE SAME TIME when Trump was ahead?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 14, 2021 12:58 PM (ynpvh)

436 Um, Grenada?
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 14, 2021 12:46 PM (ynpvh)

Panama 1990

Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at August 14, 2021 12:59 PM (49Exr)

437 Snorting drugs? Genius.

Give me a horse rave drug.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at August 14, 2021 01:00 PM (oy1++)

438 fuck it

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at August 14, 2021 01:00 PM (UHVv4)

439
The polls are showing things going side-ways for Newsome. I expect they've already got their cheat machine going full bore, doesn't matter if I vote early or not. I mean, remember how all those states shut down their vote counting AT THE SAME TIME when Trump was ahead?
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 14, 2021 12:58 PM (ynpvh)

Nanny P said a couple of days ago that the voting organization is in place in CA.

The fix is in. Newsom ain't going nowhere.

Posted by: Justsayin' at August 14, 2021 01:02 PM (Fs5vw)

440 I didn't actually read the link by Matt Taibbi, but I hope it doesn't have a connection to the quote by Tolstoy, because Obama was not beautiful. Despite the hagiography around him, he only got elected because he was a smooth talker and lots of people wanted to simply vote for the first Black President. Not beautiful inside or not. If we had wanted to vote for a "beautiful" looking Black President we should have voted for Zombie Sydney Poitier or Halle Berry.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 14, 2021 12:37 PM (ai5jE)

He ends with "we were all fooled" -- I wasn't. I can spot a huckster way off, and Barry always looked like a guy on the make. They shouldn't pretend that their liberal guilt and leftist need to turn Dear Leader into a god on earth is something excusable.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 14, 2021 01:02 PM (EJbIh)

441 Did read early in week the dozen ways of fraud working for Gruesome. They had good experience in 2020, now going for perfection.

Posted by: Skip at August 14, 2021 01:03 PM (znIQ9)

442 Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2021 12:43 PM (5ieoM)

I do believe God's grace can work anywhere, but if you have to have a specially consecrated altar trucked over to a barn, why not just get married if the church if you're RC?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 14, 2021 01:03 PM (ai5jE)

443 439 Posted by: Justsayin' at August 14, 2021 01:02 PM (Fs5vw)

Amazing donks never have to worry about the will of the electorate anymore.

Posted by: sven at August 14, 2021 01:03 PM (Lzpvj)

444 Jesus. Someone needs to snort another line of xanax and calm the fuck down.

All is well!

Posted by: Your Betters at August 14, 2021 01:05 PM (Xrfse)

445 Did read early in week the dozen ways of fraud working for Gruesome. They had good experience in 2020, now going for perfection.
Posted by: Skip at August 14, 2021 01:03 PM (znIQ9)

We'll see, but his lashing out at the press the other day does not exude confidence.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 14, 2021 01:05 PM (EJbIh)

446 Dear DHS, I have urgent information regarding an emerging national threat and hope you are able to help. It has come to my attention that a certain federal agency, due to either deep incompetence, malice or both, has turned into a fascist organization weaponized to flag and persecute individuals innocent of any crime. In fact they are now committed to persecuting "thought crimes" and as such, wasting valuable resources making shit up and stifling normal and healthy dissent and dialogue.

Posted by: runner at August 14, 2021 01:06 PM (V13WU)

447 Panama 1990
Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at August 14, 2021 12:59 PM (49Exr)

Panama was lost long before that skirmish when Jimmah gave it away in the 70's. And now China owns most of it.

Posted by: Justsayin' at August 14, 2021 01:06 PM (Fs5vw)

448 Jesus. Someone needs to snort another line of xanax and calm the fuck down.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy is a great start, but there is so much more to be done

Really? The situation my wife is in has got me a bit growly. Take a swipe at me, I generally laugh, mentally give you the bird and fire back. Take a shot at my wife? I'll play the dozens with you. Wondering if you have the fortitude and principles to tell your employer to fire you after giving them a third of your life? Go change your litter box.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Fortis et liber at August 14, 2021 01:06 PM (3C1R+)

449 At least the government knows about us as well as what they know about Afghanistan.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at August 14, 2021 01:09 PM (oy1++)

450 449 At least the government knows about us as well as what they know about Afghanistan.
Posted by: Humphreyrobot at August 14, 2021 01:09 PM (oy1++)

They do, however, hate us much more than the taliban or AQ.

Posted by: CN at August 14, 2021 01:12 PM (ONvIw)

451 *leaves saloon, slams door

Posted by: runner at August 14, 2021 01:13 PM (V13WU)

452 On a stupid note my SIL and her husband have turned down the annual Rosh Hashana dinner invitation, because politics. It's just to stressful to not be around like minded donks. I am relieved, to tell the truth.

Posted by: CN at August 14, 2021 01:16 PM (ONvIw)

453 452 Posted by: CN at August 14, 2021 01:16 PM (ONvIw)

Our guests from Mexifornia were sullen thankfully.

Posted by: sven at August 14, 2021 01:20 PM (Lzpvj)

454 I'll play the dozens with you.

Damn Sock...I've not heard that phrase in ahem...cough...years!
Well said!

Posted by: Diogenes at August 14, 2021 01:21 PM (axyOa)

455 What I don't understand, why is it when Trump tried to leave Afghanistan, the military undermined him and essentially stopped hum, but allowed Biden to do it? They hated Trump and did everything they could to fuck him up. Had Trump said send in another 100K troops to Afghanistan they would have also said no fuck you. Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at August 14, 2021 10:44 AM (l5FxP)

I have very, very good information on this. Trump said we were leaving, but we were doing so in an orderly, phased way that was based on the Taliban's behavior. He's alluded to this in his press releases over the past few days. He would never have completed the withdrawal at this time of year because this is fighting season. It would have been finished in the winter. Trust me on this one, I have extremely well-placed sources. Biden, on the other hand, did not listen to Milley and Austin. He said get out by September 11 and start now. Right now. They have been "good soldiers," saluted the flagpole, and executed what they were told, but where Trump would listen to them about the best way to execute the mission, Biden didn't want to hear it.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at August 14, 2021 01:22 PM (BMmaB)

456 Websites that link to twitter feeds aren't very helpful.

Posted by: Dan

You should maybe publish and maintain a website, with those ideas.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at August 14, 2021 01:23 PM (OssQ4)

457 Anyone else think that Dan Crenshaw's CIA?
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess

I think he could be an elite Satanist.

I mean he's always doing that one-eye sign that they do.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at August 14, 2021 01:25 PM (OssQ4)

458 Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at August 14, 2021 01:22 PM (BMmaB)

So Milley deserves to own the destruction he caused by undermining the real Prexy, and supporting the nefarious proxy

Posted by: CN at August 14, 2021 01:26 PM (ONvIw)

459 Oldcat at August 14, 2021 01:02 PM

Taibbi was fooled because he was a liberal. From that point of view, Obama was beautiful.

Posted by: KT at August 14, 2021 01:26 PM (BVQ+1)

460 I threw My Body, My Choice out to a lib today and her head just about popped off her shoulders.
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Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 14, 2021 01:29 PM (EZebt)

461 Caesar,
Jives with what I have heard but form the worker-bee level.

I wonder if ol Joe had a senior moment and made a dementia-based declartion and his staff now has to go through with it?
I wonder how many lives that will cost?

Posted by: Diogenes at August 14, 2021 01:29 PM (axyOa)

462
Taibbi was fooled because he was a liberal. From that point of view, Obama was beautiful.
Posted by: KT at August 14, 2021 01:26 PM (BVQ+1)

Obama certainly outed the fake conservatives who fell in love with him (Kristo, Frum, Smerconish, Jonah, Rubin, etc). It wasn't just libs, it was anyone seeking a false messiah, light bringer

Posted by: CN at August 14, 2021 01:30 PM (ONvIw)

463 Caesar, your info tracks with public info, and with Trump's approach to most things (sensible, normal).

Of course the ultimate collapse of the new order in A'stan was rightly considered extremely likely by almost anyone who knew anything about the place. But a quick unraveling is probably something of a surprise - most had expected regional trouble, with the usual suspects - south and west - breaking away first.

A winter draw-down certainly was the obvious way to go - season didn't affect such an operation much, but was a big factor for the enemy.

And of course the truly jaw-droppingly stupid and humiliating crap coming out of official mouths the last few days ("oh pretty please, Mr 8th Century Barbarian, be nice and follow the rules, or the International Community will be upset") would have been inconceivable under Trump and Pompeo.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at August 14, 2021 01:30 PM (OTzUX)

464 So Milley deserves to own the destruction he caused by undermining the real Prexy, and supporting the nefarious proxy Posted by: CN at August 14, 2021 01:26 PM (ONvIw)

Milley's not all bad, but he's not all good either. I think he would see his nonsupport of President Trump as being nonpartisan. I would also not be surprised to see him resign after the withdrawal is completed; he's that disgusted with Biden and his crew. Not saying he will, but it wouldn't surprise me. The reason he wouldn't, ironically, is because that would be seen as the military being partisan.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at August 14, 2021 01:31 PM (BMmaB)

465 Lovely. https://tinyurl.com/49rmu36z

West Point reaching marxism.

HT WZ

Posted by: Infidel at August 14, 2021 01:32 PM (VDqwV)

466 Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2021 12:43 PM (5ieoM)

I do believe God's grace can work anywhere, but if you have to have a specially consecrated altar trucked over to a barn, why not just get married if the church if you're RC?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 14, 2021 01:03 PM (ai5jE)

I didn't see the context of the conversation, so if someone is wanting a "rustic" Catholic wedding, I would hope the Priest will be the one who says "this is not supposed to be for your misplaced desire to have an 'authentic' experience, or whatever you are attempting. If you want authentic, the church building is right here."

But yeah, otherwise if the Romans or whomever have burned down your church, or you're stranded on a dessert island with your priest and your love, or the Priest is going to the front to marry a heterosexual couple, the sacrament CAN be performed anywhere else. No Bishop blessed altar is necessary.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2021 01:32 PM (Z9J3j)

467 On a stupid note my SIL and her husband have turned down the annual Rosh Hashana dinner invitation, because politics. It's just to stressful to not be around like minded donks. I am relieved, to tell the truth.
Posted by: CN at August 14, 2021 01:16 PM (ONvIw)
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I too cope with this a lot. l'dor v'dor

Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 14, 2021 01:33 PM (EZebt)

468 teaching. I'm feeling like crap.

Posted by: Infidel at August 14, 2021 01:34 PM (VDqwV)

469 Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at August 14, 2021 01:31 PM (BMmaB)

He certainly made the military seem donk-faced. IMO he's a partisan, anyone spouting white fragility shit is a ne plus ultra partisan

Posted by: CN at August 14, 2021 01:34 PM (ONvIw)

470 On a stupid note my SIL and her husband have turned down the annual Rosh Hashana dinner invitation, because politics. It's just to stressful to not be around like minded donks. I am relieved, to tell the truth.
Posted by: CN at August 14, 2021 01:16 PM (ONvIw)
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I can relate.
My in-laws are mormons.
Can't get a word in edgewise so I just sit in the corner with my hidden flask.
Every family needs its Uncle Diogenes.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 14, 2021 01:36 PM (axyOa)

471 Posted by: Infidel at August 14, 2021 01:34 PM (VDqwV)

Sorry, Infidel. Hope you can finish up soon, go home and feel better.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 14, 2021 01:36 PM (ai5jE)

472 I too cope with this a lot. l'dor v'dor
Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 14, 2021 01:33 PM (EZebt)

I ousted fake friends a while back, but it's nice to lose SIL and her bullshit. It will make life easier.

Posted by: CN at August 14, 2021 01:36 PM (ONvIw)

473 Caesar I think Milley has been in way over his head, in terms of the "non-political, political" aspects of his position.

His statement issued the day after the Lafayette Park incident showed that - it was stunning.

Very much more so with the idiotic Nazi-like racist indoctrination (CRT) issue. The CNO seems kind of dumb, not just inept in terms of this aspect of his job - his "there is racism in the Navy!" outburst in response to the teeny challenge he faced before Congress did not indicate much ability, in general.

But Milley's "white rage" comment was dispositive. Instead of side-stepping these issues, or saying anything sensible and difficult to attack ("I was a big admirer of Dr King's dream, his actual ideas, which are really just American ideas, and that's how I have behaved and insist any under my command behave" - something incomplete but at least a little deft like that).

Instead, full implicit/explicit acceptance of the absurd, outrageous racist garbage that is now hollowing out what's left of military standards, and the country's institutions overall? Disaster. Wrong guy for the job.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at August 14, 2021 01:37 PM (OTzUX)

474 Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at August 14, 2021 01:31 PM (BMmaB)

Miley did not follow Trump's order for THREE YEARS to get our troops out of Afghanistan, yet now, within months, follows Biden's order?

Now... why? Because Trump campaigned on leaving Afghanistan? So Miley stopped the President from completing a POLITICAL CAMPAIGN ISSUE??? WTF?

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 14, 2021 01:37 PM (oHd/0)

475 @rhomboid, it wasn't inevitable. The Afghans are some of the hardest fighters out there. If we had left in an orderly way with logistical support (i.e., contractors) and financial support, as was the plan, they would have been able to hold off the Taliban for the most part. Until a couple of weeks ago, the Taliban have never been able to take a city.

The Taliban are executing a well-planned operation for which they have been preparing the battlespace for months. They started a couple of weeks ago by taking all the border crossings to prevent reinforcements, then having fifth columns inside cities neutralize the obvious places -- police stations, military headquarters. Kind of like what the VC was trying to do in Tet. The Taliban have embedded Pakistani advisors and logistical support from Pakistan as a minimum, and probably China behind that. This is exactly like when the NVA conquered South Vietnam. It wasn't a popular uprising, it was an invasion from outside. In this case Pakistan, supported by China, is using Afghan and Paki irregular tribal proxy forces to conquer Afghanistan.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at August 14, 2021 01:38 PM (BMmaB)

476 I do believe God's grace can work anywhere, but if you have to have a specially consecrated altar trucked over to a barn, why not just get married if the church if you're RC?
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Never could figure out why weddings weren't done like baptisms in our local RC. Announce that sacrament will happen right after mass and invite the congregation to celebrate. Then the dressed-up families go off to their catered parties and the regular mass attendees welcome a new family to church (maybe with coffee cake in meeting hall for churchgoers).

Posted by: mustbequantum at August 14, 2021 01:38 PM (MIKMs)

477
I ousted fake friends a while back, but it's nice to lose SIL and her bullshit. It will make life easier.
Posted by: CN at August 14, 2021 01:36 PM (ONvIw)

People are self segregating all over the country.

The mask/no mask is a very easy identifier of the sides.

Posted by: weirdflunky at August 14, 2021 01:39 PM (cknjq)

478 Milley a mere month ago declared his faith in the Afghan security forces.

Ha!

Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 14, 2021 01:40 PM (EZebt)

479 Posted by: Diogenes at August 14, 2021 01:36 PM (axyOa)

Just had a family gathering... my Sibs, Nieces, Nephews, and their kids...

It was in my home and I made it EXPLICIT this was a no Politics zone.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 14, 2021 01:40 PM (oHd/0)

480 @Romeo13, Trump did not want the debacle that is happening now to happen on his watch. Remember the Trump Administration was negotiating with the Taliban, and the timetable of American withdrawal was based on the Taliban's actions.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at August 14, 2021 01:40 PM (BMmaB)

481 Instead, full implicit/explicit acceptance of the absurd, outrageous racist garbage that is now hollowing out what's left of military standards, and the country's institutions overall? Disaster. Wrong guy for the job.
Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at August 14, 2021 01:37 PM (OTzUX)

I agree

Posted by: CN at August 14, 2021 01:40 PM (ONvIw)

482 Instead, full implicit/explicit acceptance of the absurd, outrageous racist garbage that is now hollowing out what's left of military standards, and the country's institutions overall? Disaster. Wrong guy for the job.
Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at August 14, 2021 01:37 PM (OTzUX)

And it filters down. Last week I heard a General Officer and head of one of the Army Schools brag about how his branch officer corps is now 30% minority and he was working hard to do better. His very clear message was white men and women, we have a place for you too, but don't get too excited about promoton boards.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 14, 2021 01:42 PM (axyOa)

483 Disaster. Wrong guy for the job. Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at August 14, 2021 01:37 PM (OTzUX

I tend to agree. There are a lot of choices, and Milley would not be the top choice in a group of any 10 random flag officers. I don't know why Trump picked him.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at August 14, 2021 01:42 PM (BMmaB)

484 The mask/no mask is a very easy identifier of the sides.
Posted by: weirdflunky at August 14, 2021 01:39 PM (cknjq)

Only to some degree. I know a lot of older conservative types who are petrified of the virus, really any virus, and think this is where it's at for the flu, too.

Posted by: CN at August 14, 2021 01:42 PM (ONvIw)

485 @Romeo13, Trump did not want the debacle that is happening now to happen on his watch. Remember the Trump Administration was negotiating with the Taliban, and the timetable of American withdrawal was based on the Taliban's actions.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at August 14, 2021 01:40 PM (BMmaB)

A real republic would look at what our military and DoD have been doing during the Trump years, and have these traitors lined up against a wall.

Including Trump's Defense Sexretary.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2021 01:44 PM (Z9J3j)

486 I would say Milley was not picked by Trump but picked by Pence or some other uniparty person.

Posted by: CN at August 14, 2021 01:44 PM (ONvIw)

487 I would say Milley was not picked by Trump but picked by Pence or some other uniparty person. Posted by: CN at August 14, 2021 01:44 PM (ONvIw)

@CN, there's no evidence for that. We do have plenty of evidence that President Trump was disastrously bad at picking other appointees. In the absence of any evidence to the contrary, I would assume Trump picked Milley.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at August 14, 2021 01:46 PM (BMmaB)

488 I would say Milley was not picked by Trump but picked by Pence or some other uniparty person.

Posted by: CN at August 14, 2021 01:44 PM (ONvIw)

Which again, when the final verdict is read for the Trump years, the overwhelming truth of it is that Trump didn't know how to pick people to be around him. People who would be loyal and honest and patriotic. Regardless of how or why, that will be his most enduring legacy.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2021 01:47 PM (Z9J3j)

489 Only to some degree. I know a lot of older conservative types who are petrified of the virus, really any virus, and think this is where it's at for the flu, too.
Posted by: CN at August 14, 2021 01:42 PM (ONvIw)

I've always had respect and deference for old people. I'm only 29 but still.

Respect until now. It is sickening to me to see old people that have outlived everyone they've ever known behaving like children afraid of the closet monster.

It is beyond my comprehension.

Posted by: weirdflunky at August 14, 2021 01:47 PM (cknjq)

490 Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at August 14, 2021 01:40 PM (BMmaB)

A real republic would look at what our military and DoD have been doing during the Trump years, and have these traitors lined up against a wall.

Including Trump's Defense Sexretary.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2021 01:44 PM (Z9J3j)

Trump FIRED his Chief of Staff, for not following his orders on Afghanistan. John Kelley used his position and influence WITH THE HELP OF THE PENTAGON, to stay in Afghanistan.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 14, 2021 01:47 PM (oHd/0)

491 Trump FIRED his Chief of Staff, for not following his orders on Afghanistan. John Kelley used his position and influence WITH THE HELP OF THE PENTAGON, to stay in Afghanistan. Posted by: Romeo13 at August 14, 2021 01:47 PM (oHd/0)

No, that was Syria. The plan in Afghanistan was always a phased withdrawal as the carrot in negotiations with the Taliban.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at August 14, 2021 01:49 PM (BMmaB)

492 I would say Milley was not picked by Trump but picked by Pence or some other uniparty person. Posted by: CN at August 14, 2021 01:44 PM (ONvIw)

@CN, there's no evidence for that. We do have plenty of evidence that President Trump was disastrously bad at picking other appointees. In the absence of any evidence to the contrary, I would assume Trump picked Milley.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at August 14, 2021 01:46 PM (BMmaB)
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I read last week and I assume it to be accurate that Milley was not the first choice but had a very good interview with Trump. He became Trump's choice.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 14, 2021 01:49 PM (axyOa)

493 Caesar your A'stan knowledge is direct, unlike mine, but I don't think there was a basis for a sustainable (heh) regime/situation of the sort we created over the years. Not a design flaw in a training program. The inertia of culture and the existing (deep, real) social order.

Look at the quick, massive, and routine defections going on in various places in A'stan right now - just as one would expect. There's nothing really new here, it's the way all of human society worked for most of its history, and the way some places still work. Fear, bribes, deal-making. Tribal organization for self-defense and efficiency.

Just as in Iraq (though less so, actually), I'm sure there are/were Afghans who were actually down with the program, and didn't want a return to anything like Taliban rule. But I don't think they had the social and widespread political base under them that could withstand the erosion that was inevitable. Though, again, this instant collapse seems surprising.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at August 14, 2021 01:49 PM (OTzUX)

494 Who says that the non Milli general would have been any different.

Posted by: weirdflunky at August 14, 2021 01:50 PM (cknjq)

495 Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2021 01:44 PM (Z9J3j)

Trump FIRED his Chief of Staff, for not following his orders on Afghanistan. John Kelley used his position and influence WITH THE HELP OF THE PENTAGON, to stay in Afghanistan.
Posted by: Romeo13 at August 14, 2021 01:47 PM (oHd/0)

Or more precisely, with the help of the Pentagon, on the orders of their defense industry masters.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2021 01:50 PM (Z9J3j)

496 Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2021 01:47 PM (Z9J3j)

Trump did not have enough people loyal to him to fill all positions.

So he relied on Staff, or Insiders, to fill those positions, ESPECIALLY once his actual loyal folks, like... Gen. Flynn, were taken off the table by the Deep State.

Time and again, his picks for posts could not get through the Senate... and many were personally destroyed by the Piranhas of the Press. They effectively stiped him of most of the Staff he needed, to effect actual change.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 14, 2021 01:51 PM (oHd/0)

497 @CN, there's no evidence for that. We do have plenty of evidence that President Trump was disastrously bad at picking other appointees. In the absence of any evidence to the contrary, I would assume Trump picked Milley.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at August 14, 2021 01:46 PM (BMmaB)

There is no evidence that Trump knew enough military types to have selected Milley without a lot of input from people like Pence, Esper, or other pols. Trump suffered from bad advice from those who he should have been able to trust. For example, I can't imagine Trump would have choses the sly, underhanded, Bill Barr without a lot of encouragement.

Posted by: CN at August 14, 2021 01:51 PM (ONvIw)

498 I read last week and I assume it to be accurate that Milley was not the first choice but had a very good interview with Trump. He became Trump's choice.
Posted by: Diogenes at August 14, 2021 01:49 PM (axyOa)

Part of the reason neocon "conservatives" have such contempt for Trump is the know how many of them fooled Trump by looking in his eyes and telling him what he wanted to hear.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2021 01:52 PM (Z9J3j)

499 494 Who says that the non Milli general would have been any different.
Posted by: weirdflunky at August 14, 2021 01:50 PM (cknjq)

I'm sure whoever put together the list of candidates, exclusively chose globalist assholes .

Posted by: CN at August 14, 2021 01:53 PM (ONvIw)

500
Part of the reason neocon "conservatives" have such contempt for Trump is the know how many of them fooled Trump by looking in his eyes and telling him what he wanted to hear.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2021 01:52 PM (Z9J3j)

A lot of "conservatives" fooled many people with their "failure theater" and ability to lie with a proper "concerned look".

Posted by: CN at August 14, 2021 01:54 PM (ONvIw)

501 No, that was Syria. The plan in Afghanistan was always a phased withdrawal as the carrot in negotiations with the Taliban.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at August 14, 2021 01:49 PM (BMmaB)

It was both. The day after he fired Kelly he announced our withdrawl from Syria AND pulled half our troops out of Afghanistan.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 14, 2021 01:54 PM (oHd/0)

502 It's academic, but I had a hearty laugh when I learned of the "negotiations" with the Taliban. There simply is no basis for expecting that such an outfit is interested in, or even capable of, making a meaningful deal that it wouldn't jettison the first nanosecond they judged it to no longer be in their interest.

I realized from the beginning (as did many/most, when sending in 12 guys on donkeys was our initial response, FOR A REASON) that A'stan was not someplace we'd want to, or be able to - or need to - fundamentally change. So a "bug-out" of some type was inevitable - but nothing shameful or bad, actually an appropriate and realistic strategic move, eventually.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at August 14, 2021 01:55 PM (OTzUX)

503 Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2021 01:47 PM (Z9J3j)

Trump did not have enough people loyal to him to fill all positions.

So he relied on Staff, or Insiders, to fill those positions, ESPECIALLY once his actual loyal folks, like... Gen. Flynn, were taken off the table by the Deep State.

Time and again, his picks for posts could not get through the Senate... and many were personally destroyed by the Piranhas of the Press. They effectively stiped him of most of the Staff he needed, to effect actual change.
Posted by: Romeo13 at August 14, 2021 01:51 PM (oHd/0)

And again, I'm not arguing one way or another on the how or why, just the fact of it.

His legacy is that he was surrounded by snakes and scorpions, and they had their way throughout his time in office.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2021 01:55 PM (Z9J3j)

504 I'm only half commie.

Posted by: Gen. Milley at August 14, 2021 01:56 PM (Xrfse)

505 Part of the reason neocon "conservatives" have such contempt for Trump is the know how many of them fooled Trump by looking in his eyes and telling him what he wanted to hear.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2021 01:52 PM (Z9J3j)

A lot of "conservatives" fooled many people with their "failure theater" and ability to lie with a proper "concerned look".
Posted by: CN at August 14, 2021 01:54 PM (ONvIw)

They fooled me too. For many years. Not anymore.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2021 01:56 PM (Z9J3j)

506 Trump had a disastrously bad administration. They were disloyal and worked against his progress. And he picked people that people like us were stanning - Mattis and Bolton for example.

Not sure the cause or effect, but it did not come out well.

Posted by: blaster (mbFEM) at August 14, 2021 01:57 PM (mbFEM)

507 Once again, a discussion we've had before, personnel was President Trump's biggest failure. There are about 3000 Presidentially appointed positions, of which about a fourth require Senate confirmation and three-fourths don't. Anyone who is Senate confirmed can be the "acting" temporarily, as for a while the Chief of Staff was also the director of the Consumer Finance Protection Board, and as Ric Grenell was confirmed as Ambassador to Germany and served as acting Director of National Security.

The truth is that when President Trump was elected, he had maybe 20 names. He never filled all 3000 of the jobs, even though 3/4ths of them did not require Senate confirmation. Hillary would have started with at least 2000 names and left the other 1000 for her people to hire their people and Obama holdovers. Personnel is policy in many ways, and we just completely dropped the ball on that.

Much as I love him, President Trump dropped the ball on personnel. Never let that happen again.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at August 14, 2021 01:57 PM (BMmaB)

508
His legacy is that he was surrounded by snakes and scorpions, and they had their way throughout his time in office.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2021 01:55 PM (Z9J3j)

Yes, people like Sessions, Barr, Rosenstein, Milley and Tillerson certainly fell into that category. Chao as well.

Posted by: CN at August 14, 2021 01:57 PM (ONvIw)

509 His legacy is that he was surrounded by snakes and scorpions, and they had their way throughout his time in office.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2021 01:55 PM (Z9J3j)

Yes, people like Sessions, Barr, Rosenstein, Milley and Tillerson certainly fell into that category. Chao as well.
Posted by: CN at August 14, 2021 01:57 PM (ONvIw)

It's a long list. Add to it his daughter and son in law.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2021 01:59 PM (Z9J3j)

510 Nood pets

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 14, 2021 02:03 PM (tu8Ic)

511 Much as I love him, President Trump dropped the ball on personnel. Never let that happen again.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at August 14, 2021 01:57 PM (BMmaB)

A lot of Trump appointees were also held up due to the refusal of the DOJ to give them security clearances. I know someone who was appointed to a job largely because he already had the clearance in place.

People like Priebus, Sessions, and the like were not novices who had no "names" to put forth. The fact that Hillary could have filled the ranks leads me to believe that her "people" wanted to carry forth her agenda, Trump's "people" wanted to scuttle it. Not too many people here anticipated that Sessions, for example, was going to be a millstone instead of an asset.

Posted by: CN at August 14, 2021 02:04 PM (ONvIw)

512 It's a long list. Add to it his daughter and son in law.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2021 01:59 PM (Z9J3j)

Jared, certainly, and they both should have been sent back to NYC.

Posted by: CN at August 14, 2021 02:05 PM (ONvIw)

513 Caesar, somebody above noted @natsecjeff for ongoing info feed on A'stan. Check it out. Even Mazar seems gone/almost gone. Just like that. Most of Afghan army dissolved, only one or two outfits left (5 of 7 corps, gone).

Nothing with much of a core disintegrates this quickly, and, while obviously not in possession of full info on each situation, this easily.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at August 14, 2021 02:07 PM (OTzUX)

514 Not too many people here anticipated that Sessions, for example, was going to be a millstone instead of an asset. Posted by: CN at August 14, 2021 02:04 PM (ONvIw)

I may be a minority of one on this, but I think Sessions was hired primarily to do immigration and did what he was hired to do. He sidelined himself on the Russia thing because they maneuvered him into it, which turned out to be a disastrously bad decision, but I think he did what the President wanted in terms of getting DACA and DAPA turned around, litigating against the Hawaiian judges with the travel restrictions from terrorist countries, and getting court approval for the wall and the stay in Mexico policy. Could someone else have done as well? Probably; it didn't need to be Sessions. But I think he wasn't an unmitigated disaster.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at August 14, 2021 02:08 PM (BMmaB)

515 It's a long list. Add to it his daughter and son in law.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2021 01:59 PM (Z9J3j)

Hell hath no fury like a politician scorned, and as big an asshole as Christie can be, he should have been given something to do. But sending Jared's daddy to prison made that impossible.

If Trump had a personal fault in this game, other than not seeing the snakes and scorpions, it was allowing the fact that certain pols were not "friends" to hinder his judgement. Packing off the Romneys to the French Embassy would have made life easier.

Posted by: CN at August 14, 2021 02:10 PM (ONvIw)

516 @rhomboid, yes, I was just talking to someone about this yesterday in a position to know. When we pulled the plug abruptly a few months ago, the mass desertions started. Everyone could see that they were all alone and there wasn't going to be anyone with their backs, so the #1 priority became taking care of your family. This is exactly like the fall of South Vietnam or the last 2 weeks of the Confederacy; in the absence of a well-planned and led campaign against them, the Afghan Army could have muddled along, but in the face of a Pakistani invasion, the average soldier sees no point in standing and fighting for nothing. Cue Levon Helm and the boys, "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down."

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at August 14, 2021 02:12 PM (BMmaB)

517 Probably; it didn't need to be Sessions. But I think he wasn't an unmitigated disaster.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at August 14, 2021 02:08 PM (BMmaB)

Sessions announced during his hearing that he would recuse, he should have been pulled immediately. I think he was total disaster and that Rosenstein was defacto AG for two years.

Posted by: CN at August 14, 2021 02:13 PM (ONvIw)

518 @billroggio (another long-time A'stan guy) is also good. He's currently pointing out that the potential for a very, very bad chaotic situation WRT embassy evac is possible, given the geography.

Baghram air base was infamously abandoned recently. Evac plans center around civil airport, which is located in the city. US forces will probably have to establish perimeter to allow airport to operate. But degree, and nature, of local panic and chaos, and what that might present to US troops securing airport, unknowable - but obviously potentially very bad. Plus, rocket/artillery attacks on airport.

Though I am guessing the Taliban will try to refrain from interfering with our evac. It certainly is the smart move, and they have not been without some savvy in the past, on certain topics.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at August 14, 2021 02:13 PM (OTzUX)

519 https://www.dhs.gov/
national terrorism advisory system bulletin august 13, 2021
https://tinyurl.com/5y8hp4dx

Turns out, we are the enemy

Posted by: Skip at August 14, 2021 02:16 PM (znIQ9)

520 Though I am guessing the Taliban will try to refrain from interfering with our evac. It certainly is the smart move, and they have not been without some savvy in the past, on certain topics. Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at August 14, 2021 02:13 PM (OTzUX)

I think the operating assumption is that the noncombatant evacuation operation will take place in a permissive environment, at least insofar as the Talian is concerned, and I assume that our diplomatic people are giving that message to the Pakistanis. The drive from the Embassy to the airport could be difficult, not due to Taliban, but due to locals trying to get out (or set up roadblocks to extort tolls). I don't see any Afghan police willing to die to get Americans to the airport safely.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at August 14, 2021 02:18 PM (BMmaB)

521 Turns out, we are the enemy Posted by: Skip at August 14, 2021 02:16 PM (znIQ9)

We have met the enemy and he is us? Wasn't that a Pogo cartoon?

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at August 14, 2021 02:19 PM (BMmaB)

522 Turns out, we are the enemy
Posted by: Skip at August 14, 2021 02:16 PM (znIQ9)

We are too milquetoast-y here at the horde. I know there are a few who claim that the vaccine is their "hill to die on", but in reality, if they had to they would take the shot and comment about the nurse's breasts instead.

Posted by: CN at August 14, 2021 02:21 PM (ONvIw)

523 Caesar agree Sessions = mass illegal migration guy (plus first high profile Beltway figure to endorse Trump, which counts, and should count).

However you'll be shocked to learn that I found most of the legal aspects of this disastrous - oh, perfectly fine, even with some small "successes" along the way. But the overall context was one of a failed constitutional system with a rogue judiciary usurping executive, legislative, and political powers, with disastrous results, including a death toll.

And so it remains. Not repudiating the ludicrous travel EO restraining orders, and even the abused consent decree that created the detention disaster for border crossers, was the core mistake.

Yes, repudiating a lawless court is a big step. So is assassinating Iran's top terrorist/military leader. So is slapping tariffs on Chinese goods and weathering the retaliation against ag exports. So is junking the Paris Accord*, and delivering an in-your-face inauguration speech to the national figures sitting 10 feet behind you.

* though doing with this without repudiating the false basis for all "climate" nonsense was a major, major error

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at August 14, 2021 02:21 PM (OTzUX)

524 I wonder if the J words in the lyrics come from Spanish influencing the Sicilian and Neapolitan dialects instead of using the GI (and GE) that gives the soft-J pronunciation in standard Italian?
Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at August 14, 2021 11:07 AM (UHVv4)

The Two Sicilies spent several centuries bouncing between the Spanish and Austrian Hapsburgs as wedding presents, so its possible.

Posted by: Fox2! at August 14, 2021 02:21 PM (qyH+l)

525 Miley is missing his "Bronie" cutie patch.

Posted by: Fox2! at August 14, 2021 02:22 PM (qyH+l)

526 522 Turns out, we are the enemy
Posted by: Skip at August 14, 2021 02:16 PM (znIQ9)

We are too milquetoast-y here at the horde. I know there are a few who claim that the vaccine is their "hill to die on", but in reality, if they had to they would take the shot and comment about the nurse's breasts instead.
Posted by: CN at August 14, 2021 02:21 PM (ONvIw)

Tell me more about the nurse and we'll talk about the shot.

Deal?

Posted by: weirdflunky at August 14, 2021 02:23 PM (cknjq)

527 * though doing with this without repudiating the false basis for all "climate" nonsense was a major, major error Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at August 14, 2021 02:21 PM (OTzUX)

IIRC didn't they try to set up a science review board at EPA? I don't know what ever happened with that.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at August 14, 2021 02:23 PM (BMmaB)

528 525 Miley is missing his "Bronie" cutie patch.
Posted by: Fox2! at August 14, 2021 02:22 PM (qyH+l)

I think the bicolor mane takes its place.

Posted by: CN at August 14, 2021 02:23 PM (ONvIw)

529 Caesar, it's exactly that chaos along the route to the airport that Roggio is flagging as a possible nightmare. And my - our? - assumption that the Talib will not make any effort to interfere with the evac could prove wrong, which would make things much worse.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at August 14, 2021 02:23 PM (OTzUX)

530 Tell me more about the nurse and we'll talk about the shot.

Deal?
Posted by: weirdflunky at August 14, 2021 02:23 PM (cknjq)

LOL

Posted by: CN at August 14, 2021 02:24 PM (ONvIw)

531 Caesar, yes - and there was also the beginning of an effort to end the vandalism of CA "environmental" standards afflicting much of industry and commerce.

The Augean stables Trump faced upon entering office did in fact require a Hercules, and some progress was being made, but it was slow. Why no second term is a such a disaster for the world, and so sickening.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at August 14, 2021 02:25 PM (OTzUX)

532 It's not a Vax their whining about

Posted by: Skip at August 14, 2021 02:29 PM (znIQ9)

533 Caesar, it's exactly that chaos along the route to the airport that Roggio is flagging as a possible nightmare. And my - our? - assumption that the Talib will not make any effort to interfere with the evac could prove wrong, which would make things much worse. Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at August 14, 2021 02:23 PM (OTzUX)

Many years ago when wargaming our evacuation plans from the embassy in a different part of the world I was on the bad guy side. The plan was to get our people out by CH-46 and 47 lift to the airport, then C-130 from there. I shot down one of the lift helicopters with an RPG from a highrise building across the street from the embassy grounds. That stopped the exercise and the plan was revised to go out over the ground. Presumably they've thought this through, as long as we've been in Kabul.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at August 14, 2021 02:33 PM (BMmaB)

534 Many years ago when wargaming our evacuation plans from the embassy in a different part of the world I was on the bad guy side. The plan was to get our people out by CH-46 and 47 lift to the airport, then C-130 from there. I shot down one of the lift helicopters with an RPG from a highrise building across the street from the embassy grounds. That stopped the exercise and the plan was revised to go out over the ground. Presumably they've thought this through, as long as we've been in Kabul.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at August 14, 2021 02:33 PM (BMmaB)

We are going to be very very lucky if this doesn't turn into another Iran thing. The 3000 shooters will help, and I'm sure they are backed with a formidible airforse presence.
But still...

Posted by: Diogenes at August 14, 2021 03:19 PM (axyOa)

535 Traditional values are like, overly complicated compared to just yelling racist, sexist, etc. I like to simplify my causes. It suits the inner two-digit within me!

Posted by: Wokie Betaman at August 14, 2021 03:47 PM (yUNV6)

536 Well while pets finishes, things seem to continue to be moving along in A'stan. General collapse. As usual, fog of war, but seems Taliban now in Kabul area, and contending for control of other two major towns left (Mazar-e-Sharif in the north, Jalalabad towards Pakistan).

Rumor/reports that Afghan prez will evac with US personnel.

82nd Airborne ready unit has been ordered to Kabul. This will bring US troops deployed to assist evac to 5,000.

Report of US air strike in Kandahar area, to protect airport, indicating still some evac taking place there.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at August 14, 2021 03:58 PM (OTzUX)

537 First came the B-1s, then the B-52s, and the AC-130s and A-10s, then all the Americans and refugee loyals loaded on the cargo planes and came home safe.

Posted by: Braenyard at August 14, 2021 04:30 PM (CLkaN)

538 "The Taliban outlasted the waffling westerners. We can outlast the woke."

only if they use the waffling westerner ROE ... which does not seem to be the case.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (YjYuE) at August 14, 2021 06:13 PM (YjYuE)

539 We used to say "get woke, go broke." But now I think it is "go broke, get woke." Woke is the last step towards total failure - when you have completely failed, you get woke and hope that your wokeness stops the reckoning.

Posted by: Tennhauser at August 16, 2021 01:14 AM (I262G)

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