Was Coronavirus Cooked Up in a Wuhan Lab? While Media and Ruling Class Denies It, Evidence Continues Piling Up That This Is an Artificially-Created Virus

A cover-up of the most lethal accident in history. Worse even than Chernobyl.

And just as covered-up by ruthlessly self-interested governments.

Including the US's.

[I]f you brush away all the politics about the issue -- Donald Trump said it came from a lab, therefore it can't have -- and look just at the scientific facts, a reasonably likely answer is buried there. I'll try to explain what it is and sort out some of the consequences.
There are two theories about the origin of SARS2, as the virus can be called for short. One is that it jumped naturally from bats to people, as the SARS1 epidemic did in 2002. The other is that it escaped from an experiment in the Wuhan Institute of Virology, China's leading center of research on bat-type viruses.
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Scientists "overwhelmingly conclude that this coronavirus originated in wildlife," they said, calling for readers to stand with Chinese colleagues on the front line of fighting the disease.
It later turned out that the Lancet letter had been organized and drafted by Peter Daszak, president of the New York City-based EcoHealth Alliance. Daszak's organization funded coronavirus research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. If the SARS2 virus had indeed escaped from research he funded, Daszak would be potentially culpable. This acute conflict of interest was not declared to The Lancet's readers. To the contrary, the letter concluded, "We declare no competing interests."

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The lab-escape scenario explains the facts above far more easily than does natural emergence. So let's ask who is to blame, provisionally, if the virus did indeed escape from a lab.

Who's to blame for coronavirus? Well, assuming it was made in a lab-- which it very likely was -- then "the bat lady" Dr. Shi is responsible first of all, for experimenting with extremely dangerous bat viruses with only rudimentary precautions.

Then of course comes China.

Then would come the US's National Institutes of Health:

Fourth may be the US National Institutes of Health, which funded Shi's research via Daszak, despite a moratorium from 2014 to 2017. The reporting system that replaced the moratorium required funding agencies to mention hazardous research but the NIH did not do so. If the SARS2 virus did indeed escape from Shi's lab, the NIH will be in the unenviable position of having funded research that has killed 3 million people worldwide, including 500,000 US citizens.

That NY Post article is a digest of Nicholas Wade's longer paper.

Here is that longer paper:

Dr. Baric had developed, and taught Dr. Shi, a general method for engineering bat coronaviruses to attack other species. The specific targets were human cells grown in cultures and humanised mice. These laboratory mice, a cheap and ethical stand-in for human subjects, are genetically engineered to carry the human version of a protein called ACE2 that studs the surface of cells that line the airways.
Dr. Shi returned to her lab at the Wuhan Institute of Virology and resumed the work she had started on genetically engineering coronaviruses to attack human cells.
How can we be so sure?
Because, by a strange twist in the story, her work was funded by the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), a part of the U.S. National Institutes of Health (NIH). And grant proposals that funded her work, which are a matter of public record, specify exactly what she planned to do with the money.
The grants were assigned to the prime contractor, Dr. Daszak of the EcoHealth Alliance, who subcontracted them to Dr. Shi. Here are extracts from the grants for fiscal years 2018 and 2019. "CoV" stands for coronavirus and "S protein" refers to the virus's spike protein.
"Test predictions of CoV inter-species transmission. Predictive models of host range (i.e. emergence potential) will be tested experimentally using reverse genetics, pseudovirus and receptor binding assays, and virus infection experiments across a range of cell cultures from different species and humanised mice."
"We will use S protein sequence data, infectious clone technology, in vitro and in vivo infection experiments and analysis of receptor binding to test the hypothesis that % divergence thresholds in S protein sequences predict spillover potential."
What this means, in non-technical language, is that Dr. Shi set out to create novel coronaviruses with the highest possible infectivity for human cells. Her plan was to take genes that coded for spike proteins possessing a variety of measured affinities for human cells, ranging from high to low. She would insert these spike genes one by one into the backbone of a number of viral genomes ("reverse genetics" and "infectious clone technology"), creating a series of chimeric viruses. These chimeric viruses would then be tested for their ability to attack human cell cultures ("in vitro") and humanised mice ("in vivo"). And this information would help predict the likelihood of "spillover," the jump of a coronavirus from bats to people.
The methodical approach was designed to find the best combination of coronavirus backbone and spike protein for infecting human cells. The approach could have generated SARS2-like viruses, and indeed may have created the SARS2 virus itself with the right combination of virus backbone and spike protein.
It cannot yet be stated that Dr. Shi did or did not generate SARS2 in her lab because her records have been sealed, but it seems she was certainly on the right track to have done so. "It is clear that the Wuhan Institute of Virology was systematically constructing novel chimeric coronaviruses and was assessing their ability to infect human cells and human-ACE2-expressing mice," says Richard H. Ebright, a molecular biologist at Rutgers University and leading expert on biosafety.
"It is also clear," Dr. Ebright said, "that, depending on the constant genomic contexts chosen for analysis, this work could have produced SARS-CoV-2 or a proximal progenitor of SARS-CoV-2." "Genomic context" refers to the particular viral backbone used as the testbed for the spike protein.
The lab escape scenario for the origin of the SARS2 virus, as should by now be evident, is not mere hand-waving in the direction of the Wuhan Institute of Virology. It is a detailed proposal, based on the specific project being funded there by the NIAID.
Even if the grant required the work plan described above, how can we be sure that the plan was in fact carried out? For that we can rely on the word of Dr. Daszak, who has been much protesting for the last 15 months that lab escape was a ludicrous conspiracy theory invented by China-bashers.
On December 9, 2019, before the outbreak of the pandemic became generally known, Dr. Daszak gave an interview in which he talked in glowing terms of how researchers at the Wuhan Institute of Virology had been reprogramming the spike protein and generating chimeric coronaviruses capable of infecting humanised mice.
"And we have now found, you know, after 6 or 7 years of doing this, over 100 new SARS-related coronaviruses, very close to SARS," Dr. Daszak says around minute 28 of the interview. "Some of them get into human cells in the lab, some of them can cause SARS disease in humanised mice models and are untreatable with therapeutic monoclonals and you can't vaccinate against them with a vaccine. So, these are a clear and present danger...
Interviewer: You say these are diverse coronaviruses and you can't vaccinate against them, and no anti-virals -- so what do we do?
"Daszak: Well I think... coronaviruses -- you can manipulate them in the lab pretty easily. Spike protein drives a lot of what happen with coronavirus, in zoonotic risk. So you can get the sequence, you can build the protein, and we work a lot with Ralph Baric at UNC to do this. Insert into the backbone of another virus and do some work in the lab. So you can get more predictive when you find a sequence. You've got this diversity. Now the logical progression for vaccines is, if you are going to develop a vaccine for SARS, people are going to use pandemic SARS, but let’s insert some of these other things and get a better vaccine." The insertions he referred to perhaps included an element called the furin cleavage site, discussed below, which greatly increases viral infectivity for human cells.
In disjointed style, Dr. Daszak is referring to the fact that once you have generated a novel coronavirus that can attack human cells, you can take the spike protein and make it the basis for a vaccine.

Huh.

We developed the vaccine pretty fast, eh?

The paper explains that covid just so happens to have a "furin cleavage site."

What a coincidence.

One can only imagine Dr. Daszak's reaction when he heard of the outbreak of the epidemic in Wuhan a few days later. He would have known better than anyone the Wuhan Institute's goal of making bat coronaviruses infectious to humans, as well as the weaknesses in the institute’s defense against their own researchers becoming infected.
But instead of providing public health authorities with the plentiful information at his disposal, he immediately launched a public relations campaign to persuade the world that the epidemic couldn’t possibly have been caused by one of the institute's souped-up viruses. "The idea that this virus escaped from a lab is just pure baloney. It's simply not true," he declared in an April 2020 interview.

The media instantly leapt to claim that in their completely untrained, ignorant opinion, the virus could not have escaped from a lab, and anyone suggesting otherwise was spreading "conspiracy theories."

And they did this because whatever Trump says is a lie or must be made into a lie, and furthermore, because the media is not the tribune of the people, it is the tribune of the ruling classes and the government bureaucracy, and they have taken it as their only mission to defend the ruling classes and the government bureaucracy and cover up any scandals they might be responsible for.

The below video is worth watching. They emphasize that the people charged with investigating if covid came from the Wuhan lab are the same people responsible for funding the Wuhan lab.

They also point out the ruling class' and media's lies aren't merely political: If labs are simply not capable of keeping their Frankenvirus' from escaping into the world, then this type of research must be stopped. Permanently.

It does us no good to get insight into a coronavirus-type vaccine when the labs are releasing that very plague upon the world. We do not allow firefighters to set fire to cities -- even if it helps them get better at putting fires out.

But because the media is abetting the ruling class' cover-up, they are keeping us from having an informed cost-benefit analysis of this type of research.

Admire how incredibly inadequate the safety standards were for The Bat Lady's bat virus splicing:

Not only was she generating dangerous viruses, she was doing so in arguably unsafe conditions. There are many Internet photos of Shi working in a bubble suit in the highest-level safety lab, known as a BSL4. But these labs are a pain to work in, and all her coronavirus work, she has said, was done at lower safety levels, including one known as BSL2.
But despite the fancy acronym, BSL2 doesn’t require very much. You have to wear a lab coat and gloves, put up a biohazard warning, and that's about it.
"It is clear that some or all of this work was being performed using a biosafety standard -- biosafety level 2, the biosafety level of a standard US dentist's office -- that would pose an unacceptably high risk of infection of laboratory staff upon contact with a virus having the transmission properties of SARS-CoV-2," says Ebright.

They're keeping the Wuhan open to create new monsters that it will, of course, then let escape.

And they will not admit that the virus probably came from a lab, which would, at the very least, spur us to increase the safety standards in labs to above those of the local dentist office.

As Krystal Ball notes, the "escaped-from-a-lab" hypothesis has never been crazy, because at least one Frankenvirus has escaped from the labs creating them in almost every single year since this type of virus-splicing started.

It's a crime that the media and ruling classes have declared it essentially illegal to speculate that something that happens at least once per year happened again in Wuhan in 2019/2020.

And yes, they repeatedly note that Anthony Fauci himself directed America to fund this bat virus research at Wuhan, using an "exception" to avoid the US ban on using US money to fund these dangerous projects.

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Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at May 10, 2021 03:38 PM (LvTSG)

2 "No, no, no, no...We, uh...we eat bats! Yeah, that's it!"
-China

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at May 10, 2021 03:38 PM (LvTSG)

3 Let me just go ahead and say that I don't understand all the gray box jokes below.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at May 10, 2021 03:39 PM (LvTSG)

4 Grey man, grey blog?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at May 10, 2021 03:39 PM (2SdPm)

5 Ah, the good old days.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is Already Dead at May 10, 2021 03:39 PM (z5Vrg)

6 Is the blog post screwed up or my computer?

Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain, Cryptid Anarchist at May 10, 2021 03:39 PM (Clxcy)

7 Let me just go ahead and say that I don't understand all the gray box jokes below.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at May 10, 2021 03:39 PM (LvTSG)
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50 Shades.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at May 10, 2021 03:39 PM (2SdPm)

8 Is the blog post screwed up or my computer?
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain, Cryptid Anarchist at May 10, 2021 03:39 PM (Clxcy)

Yes

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at May 10, 2021 03:41 PM (y7DUB)

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If it was (and I'm not saying it was), then the rest of the world might have to confront China on the issue. Better to file it away under "unsubstantiated" and "conspiracy".

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 10, 2021 03:41 PM (mht8P)

10 I just grayed myself!

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at May 10, 2021 03:42 PM (KbCG3)

11 Yes. Yes it was, and it was used against us to perfection.

Posted by: Jak Sucio at May 10, 2021 03:42 PM (jvt6t)

12 I wish they'd go back to peeing in our Coke.

Posted by: garrett at May 10, 2021 03:42 PM (HzS0l)

13 I always thought it was a very good possibility

Posted by: Skip at May 10, 2021 03:42 PM (Cxk7w)

14 Of course it was. When it first appeared, the Chinese immediately looked at the Wuhan lab and discovered that it was a mess of incompetence and corner-cutting. They didn't know what had been released, compounded by the fact that China's air quality and love of smoking meant a population that was more susceptible to the virus, and so panicked, while at the same time trying to convince the world that everything was hunky-dory. Western intel noticed this, and western leaders concluded that something really nasty must have gotten loose. By the time we knew better the panic had set in, and too many bureaucrats were in love with their newfound powers.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at May 10, 2021 03:43 PM (jOcSX)

15 We've only known this for a year. Before you know it, it'll be in the news!

Posted by: t-bird at May 10, 2021 03:43 PM (DMQdU)

16 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at May 10, 2021 03:39 PM (LvTSG)

That's because most of the bands were around when your mother was just dating your father.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 10, 2021 03:43 PM (k39e/)

17 As not a scientist, there's a big long thing on why they can easily tell if it was engineered as opposed to a natural variation. Look it up.

Posted by: Jimco Industries at May 10, 2021 03:43 PM (buTO7)

18 and we're back in the grey on this. but i always thought it was likely that at a minimum this got out on accident, or "accident" as it were...

why else would the chinese cut off wouhan internally, but NOT to the rest of the world...

Posted by: SturmToddler at May 10, 2021 03:44 PM (8D42x)

19 I like the grey boxes.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 10, 2021 03:44 PM (lmikk)

20 So is the WaPo going to change their subhead to "It Worked, Didn't It?" or "At This Point What Difference Does It Make?"

Posted by: Bete at May 10, 2021 03:44 PM (Ojki1)

21 Green. Green!

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 10, 2021 03:44 PM (lmikk)

22 They may not have let it out as planned as thousands in China got it, and cities were locked up to stop it. But then they knew they had something to control the world and let it out.

Posted by: Skip at May 10, 2021 03:44 PM (Cxk7w)

23 the most lethal accident since Chernobyl.

You take one little piss and you're out millions!

Posted by: Bob Baffert at May 10, 2021 03:44 PM (DMQdU)

24 Good. More please.

Sooner or later, we will have to nuke China.

No one would miss them.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 10, 2021 03:44 PM (xW72t)

25 I saw Wuhan Flu open up my lunch and leave a trail of crumbs to the shitter last week.

Posted by: Madison Square Garden, '94 at May 10, 2021 03:44 PM (N9/ar)

26 O.K. Can we just admit that the Chinese in power in the CCP are just awful, awful people?.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 10, 2021 03:44 PM (k39e/)

27 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DccmKKnizFY

Posted by: Average Loser at May 10, 2021 03:44 PM (8aO2d)

28 All your virass brelong us.

Chicoms, eating bats and snorting Rhino horn.

Posted by: Archer at May 10, 2021 03:44 PM (gmo/4)

29 Oh grayt

Posted by: f'd at May 10, 2021 03:44 PM (Tnijr)

30 Way way worse than Chernobyl
And no accident

Posted by: Sean O Hannity at May 10, 2021 03:45 PM (UNthw)

31 To paraphrase El Rushbo...

If this WAS an admittedly manufactured virus / pandemic / power-grab, what would we have seen done differently?

Posted by: Doof at May 10, 2021 03:45 PM (mZUr4)

32 Fuck you, GI!

Chink in the wire

Posted by: Archer at May 10, 2021 03:45 PM (gmo/4)

33 It cannot yet be stated that Dr. Shi did or did not generate SARS2 in her lab because her records have been sealed, but it seems she was certainly on the right track to have done so.
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Oh, bullshit. I doubt those records are sealed. Destroyed? That seems a lot more likely.

Also, what the fuck is this shithole country doing? We pay a bunch of foreigners to go play with viruses and then when we demand information - say, records - about the research that we paid for in a policy of abject stupidity, the lab we funded refuses and "seals" the records? And we're not blockading China in response to this, why?

Yes, we all know. I'm just frustrated by this shit.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 10, 2021 03:46 PM (Jsjd7)

34 There are eye witnesses of this BioWeapon being created there.

Posted by: Corner Stone at May 10, 2021 03:46 PM (NLny5)

35 Soldiers attending the world games in wuhan were coming home with kungflu symptoms months before it was announced and hid that fact for fear of retribution from ccp.

Posted by: ryukyu at May 10, 2021 03:47 PM (4n6fw)

36 It does us no good to get insight into a coronavirus-type vaccine when the labs are releasing that very vaccine upon the world. We do not allow firefighters to set their own fires.
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I think you mean, "It does us no good to get insight into a coronavirus-type vaccine when the labs are releasing that very virus upon the world," boss.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 10, 2021 03:47 PM (Jsjd7)

37 I like the grey boxes.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 10, 2021 03:44 PM (lmikk)

If you like your grey boxes, you can keep your grey boxes

Posted by: Obamacare Spokesperson at May 10, 2021 03:47 PM (mZUr4)

38 I wear two face masks and I feel fine.

Posted by: REM at May 10, 2021 03:47 PM (N9/ar)

39 Came from the lab or from eating bats. Fess up China. Which is it?

Posted by: rickb223 at May 10, 2021 03:47 PM (OCTRt)

40 Yep and the chinks don't have any weaponized small pox either.

Posted by: Archer at May 10, 2021 03:47 PM (gmo/4)

41 Okay, guess I better kinda stick to the topic this time. :-)

Re conspiracies, anyone been hearing about the ransomware attack on a US pipeline? Something tells me it was an inside* job.

(*From inside the WH. Let's face it: this admin HATES the US oil industry.)

Posted by: qdpsteve at May 10, 2021 03:48 PM (L2ZTs)

42 So, a question: does contributing to the death of 600,000 Americans (Proud Moderate told me so) constitute an act of war?

Posted by: Huck Follywood at May 10, 2021 03:48 PM (f6JSa)

43 Be sure your sin will find you out, Dr Fauci edition.

Posted by: TexasDan at May 10, 2021 03:48 PM (ohOLP)

44 I like the grey boxes.

You totally changed us!

Posted by: Gray Boxes at May 10, 2021 03:48 PM (DMQdU)

45 two things you are not allowed to say

the China virus came from the lab in Wuhan and Joe Biden stole the 2020 election

say either of these comments in public and someone will immediately attack you

Posted by: will choose a nic later at May 10, 2021 03:48 PM (bTQ72)

46 The virus killed Americans irrespective of their politics, stole our liberties, undermined our country, helped steal an election and has put us trillions more into debt. You might think that would piss of and motivate even the most pedestrian observer do discover, honestly where it came from and who did it. Nope. Politics and the Democrats Cult Rules forbid that. Instead they used it to divide and conquer us, mostly because their media division has completely lost interest in the truth. They hail Mr NIH, and Head Despot, Fauci as their hero. Meanwhile he knew what was going on from the beginning. I don't even know what to say anymore.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 10, 2021 03:48 PM (h2OUV)

47 I think the only doubt is if this was an "accident" at all. But I don't truly blame China: this treason wasn't possible without a large cabal of evil foreigners working to destroy America from the inside. Some true dildos are doing their best to hide names that were prominently published in Time magazine, but you can't run from the truth forever.

Posted by: trev006 at May 10, 2021 03:48 PM (by5uQ)

48 So, a question: does contributing to the death of 600,000 Americans (Proud Moderate told me so) constitute an act of war?
Posted by: Huck Follywood at May 10, 2021 03:48 PM (f6JSa)

In any decent society the response would have been a nuclear strike against China.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at May 10, 2021 03:49 PM (jOcSX)

49 Who else remembers about this time last year in 2020 when the results of an Asian Indian laboratory stated that there were too many inconsistencies a unique features of the flu to have not been man made, in other words not natural?

Posted by: Corner Stone at May 10, 2021 03:49 PM (NLny5)

50 trev006,

it's interesting that the virus released is/was actually, at least IMHO a relatively 'mild' virus.

I think the Chinese are testing US resolve, frankly.

Posted by: qdpsteve at May 10, 2021 03:49 PM (L2ZTs)

51 To me, this is just like the Kennedy assassination(s).

Sure, there's all sorts of evidence all around, people have been talking about this stuff since day 1, but narratives don't require that there be no other credible theories as to what happened. The prevailing narrative WILL be whatever the powers that be say it is.

We can talk about this til we're blue in the face. People can write books about it, there can be conspiracy theories coming out the wazoo from now until kingdom come, but that's part of the cover up. You can't prove it. So go ahead, speculate. Meanwhile, Dr. Fauci goes down in history as a hero, and you will wear your mask forever, comrade.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 10, 2021 03:50 PM (GrhR6)

52 22 They may not have let it out as planned as thousands in China got it, and cities were locked up to stop it. But then they knew they had something to control the world and let it out.
Posted by: Skip at May 10, 2021 03:44 PM (Cxk7w)

....

I think they didn't want to be the only ones drilled by this thing; I also don't think anyone could have contained it for long.

Posted by: TexasDan at May 10, 2021 03:50 PM (ohOLP)

53 "Accident" - lol

Posted by: Cringe Biscuit at May 10, 2021 03:50 PM (NcCwV)

54 But instead of providing public health authorities with the plentiful information at his disposal, he immediately launched a public relations campaign to persuade the world that the epidemic couldn't possibly have been caused by one of the institute's souped-up viruses. "The idea that this virus escaped from a lab is just pure baloney. It's simply not true," he declared in an April 2020 interview.
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We need to start getting a lot blunter with our language. This is far too tame. I propose this style for the next article:
"But instead of ... with the plentiful information at his disposal, he immediately launched a global propaganda campaign to prevaricate and intimidate journalists and foreign governments as a distraction away from any possible culpability of his organization."

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 10, 2021 03:50 PM (Jsjd7)

55 Never let a manufactured crisis go to waste.

Posted by: Tiny Dancer at May 10, 2021 03:50 PM (Tnijr)

56 As not a scientist, there's a big long thing on why they can easily tell if it was engineered as opposed to a natural variation. Look it up.
Posted by: Jimco Industries at May 10, 2021 03:43 PM (buTO7)

Yeah well, that's just science. Anybody can do science. We are only allowed to listen to The Science.™

Posted by: hogmartin at May 10, 2021 03:51 PM (t+qrx)

57 The virus killed Americans irrespective of their politics, stole our liberties, undermined our country, helped steal an election and has put us trillions more into debt.

Isn't it fantastic?! Don't forget all the profits that were made.

Posted by: The Elite at May 10, 2021 03:51 PM (fSmfa)

58 More good news! A condition so rare that it was once a House M.D. diagnosis is affecting Indians...

Mucormycosis: The 'black fungus' maiming Covid patients in India
On Saturday morning, Dr Akshay Nair, a Mumbai-based eye surgeon, was waiting to operate on a 25-year-old woman who had recovered from a bout of Covid-19 three weeks ago.

Inside the surgery, an ear, nose and throat specialist was already at work on the patient, a diabetic.

He had inserted a tube in her nose and was removing tissues infected with mucormycosis, a rare but dangerous fungal infection. This aggressive infection affects the nose, eye and sometimes the brain.

Posted by: andycanuck at May 10, 2021 03:51 PM (UHVv4)

59 two things you are not allowed to say

the China virus came from the lab in Wuhan and Joe Biden stole the 2020 election

say either of these comments in public and someone will immediately attack you
Posted by: will choose a nic later at May 10, 2021 03:48 PM (bTQ72)
.........

Liz Cheney will kick your ass.

Posted by: wth at May 10, 2021 03:51 PM (v0R5T)

60 I had some undercooked BokCho cabbage in my Moo Shoo Pork and have had runny shits ever since. Imma gonna die.

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 10, 2021 03:52 PM (/MaDp)

61 49 Who else remembers about this time last year in 2020 when the results of an Asian Indian laboratory stated that there were too many inconsistencies a unique features of the flu to have not been man made, in other words not natural?
Posted by: Corner Stone at May 10, 2021 03:49 PM (NLny5)

...

Yep.

Posted by: TexasDan at May 10, 2021 03:52 PM (ohOLP)

62 Has any else seen this weekend's articles questioning if Fauci is the the worst mass murderer in human history?

Gateway Pundit referenced an article like that.

Posted by: Corner Stone at May 10, 2021 03:52 PM (NLny5)

63 42 So, a question: does contributing to the death of 600,000 Americans (Proud Moderate told me so) constitute an act of war?
Posted by: Huck Follywood at May 10, 2021 03:48 PM (f6JSa)

Pretty sure the Powers That Be see it as eggs that had to be broken as they make their One World Order Omelet.

Posted by: Bete at May 10, 2021 03:52 PM (Ojki1)

64 it's interesting that the virus released is/was actually, at least IMHO a relatively 'mild' virus.

I think the Chinese are testing US resolve, frankly.

Posted by: qdpsteve at May 10, 2021 03:49 PM (L2ZTs)

Being mad at China for letting fucked up diseases escape their country is like being mad at a dog for licking its own ass. Restrict trade and immigration, by all means, but they'd honestly be stupid not to take advantage of America's pretend democracy. The enemy should be dealt with at home first.

Posted by: trev006 at May 10, 2021 03:53 PM (by5uQ)

65 I think the only doubt is if this was an "accident" at all. But I don't truly blame China: this treason wasn't possible without a large cabal of evil foreigners working to destroy America from the inside. Some true dildos are doing their best to hide names that were prominently published in Time magazine, but you can't run from the truth forever.
Posted by: trev006 at May 10, 2021 03:48 PM (by5uQ)

I don't completely blame China either, because there were plenty of American scientists that were all up in the Wuhan lab, all the time.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 10, 2021 03:53 PM (GrhR6)

66 The virus killed Americans irrespective of their politics, stole our liberties, undermined our country, helped steal an election and has put us trillions more into debt. ... Instead they used it to divide and conquer us, mostly because their media division has completely lost interest in the truth. They hail Mr NIH, and Head Despot, Fauci as their hero. ...
Posted by: Marcus T at May 10, 2021 03:48 PM (h2OUV)
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I agree with the second part of this. I don't agree with the first part. Most of the damage this virus has done beyond the first couple of months has been entirely on *our* government. Our government kept us shut down and helped the media whip up a panic frenzy. Our government cost us trillions. Our government stole an election.

That was all entirely on the people running things *here.* Every minute of this since last Easter is on us (well, on our rulers).

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 10, 2021 03:53 PM (Jsjd7)

67 Cuomo says if another virus hits NYC he will weld all the doors shut cuz compassion and competence.

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 10, 2021 03:53 PM (/MaDp)

68 If you read the article and some of the others it's clear Dr Shi was working with the Chinese military and CCP. Tell me again how crazy it is to believe that as Trump was crushing their country by building our economy into the strongest we have ever known, the Chinese let this out. Sovereign governments war game these types of biowarfare releases and the first mover always has advantage. That not crazy or conspiracy, it's demonstrable truth. Plus, a release from a lab is almost always untraceable.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 10, 2021 03:53 PM (h2OUV)

69 constitute an act of war?

Only if we can blame it on Russia, the Ukraine, or Syria. Anybody but China! Dear, sweet China...

Posted by: The Elite at May 10, 2021 03:53 PM (KDCRD)

70 it's interesting that the virus released is/was actually, at least IMHO a relatively 'mild' virus.

I think the Chinese are testing US resolve, frankly.
Posted by: qdpsteve at May 10, 2021 03:49 PM (L2ZTs)

This whole thing sounds like a 'Mission:Impossible' episode.

Posted by: dantesed at May 10, 2021 03:54 PM (88xKn)

71 They may not have let it out as planned as thousands in China got it, and cities were locked up to stop it. But then they knew they had something to control the world and let it out.

Yep - I do not think for a minute it was released on purpose. And I think the political class is absolutely shocked at how much mileage they've got out of this.

This virus has been a game changer - more so than any other event in modern history. Because we've divided the domestic populations of every nation, permanently, into two camps more effectively than any civil war. I think - seriously - the next bloody conflict will be over the "comply or perish" mentality brought on by the 'Rona. And that conflict won't be clear cut.

Posted by: Like A Rock at May 10, 2021 03:54 PM (9ls8w)

72 I hear radiation is lethal to virus.

Just sayin'

Posted by: Joe Mama at May 10, 2021 03:54 PM (WmGrA)

73 64 it's interesting that the virus released is/was actually, at least IMHO a relatively 'mild' virus.

I think the Chinese are testing US resolve, frankly.

Posted by: qdpsteve at May 10, 2021 03:49 PM (L2ZTs)
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It was a shot across the world' bow. The Chinks, with 1.3B, can win a bio war. Agree it was not that lethal but the math still stands.

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 10, 2021 03:54 PM (/MaDp)

74 it was not that lethal but the math still stands.

Now that we have your DNA, we should be able to whip up something better ...

Posted by: China at May 10, 2021 03:56 PM (3fR4G)

75 I've always thought this thing was the result of some dink test tube spill

those fuckers don't give a fuck about safety or human life

Posted by: DB- just DB at May 10, 2021 03:56 PM (iTXRQ)

76 -Dr Baric trained bat-lady.
-Bat lady went back to China in 2015
-Bat lady sent bat virus back to US.
-Deep state infects healthy US soldiers with.Bat virus.
-Unknowing infected US soldiers went to World military games in August 2019.
-Bat virus infects world.
-China blame US military.

Tell me where I'm wrong.

Posted by: Golfman at May 10, 2021 03:56 PM (hOMhY)

77 67 Cuomo says if another virus hits NYC he will weld all the doors shut cuz compassion and competence.
Posted by: Puddin Head at May 10, 2021 03:53 PM (/MaDp)

Probably will burn all the nursing homes to the ground after sealing the doors. Just to be sure.

Posted by: Bete at May 10, 2021 03:56 PM (Ojki1)

78 "As Krystal Ball notes, the "escaped-from-a-lab" hypothesis has never been crazy, because at least one Frankenvirus has escaped from the labs creating them in almost every single year since this type of virus-splicing started."

Krystal Ball is the liberal on The Hill's Rising show, isn't' she? Huh.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at May 10, 2021 03:56 PM (mdjgu)

79 two things you are not allowed to say

the China virus came from the lab in Wuhan and Joe Biden stole the 2020 election

say either of these comments in public and someone will immediately attack you
Posted by: will choose a nic later at May 10, 2021 03:48 PM (bTQ72)

It's almost like there's a Ministry of Truth. Wish someone would have written a novel to warn us about this kind of stuff.

Posted by: Doof at May 10, 2021 03:57 PM (mZUr4)

80 "Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 10, 2021 03:53 PM (Jsjd7)"

The Chinese made sure we didn't get information fast. They also made sure we didn't get the correct information. They knew exactly what we would do, which is why they did that. The response and was devastating, and even more than they believed when Democrats weapon used SARS2 for their political advantage. They might as well be an arm of the CCP.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 10, 2021 03:57 PM (h2OUV)

81 Why, that IS a longer paper!

Posted by: Weasel at May 10, 2021 03:57 PM (MVjcR)

82 It was a shot across the world' bow. The Chinks, with 1.3B, can win a bio war. Agree it was not that lethal but the math still stands.
Posted by: Puddin Head at May 10, 2021 03:54 PM (/MaDp)

...

But weren't they already winning the economic and control war?

I'm not sure in what calculus you come out ahead by causing 1d20x10^18 damage to the world economy which is your main client, and over which you are effectively exerting ever greater control.

Posted by: TexasDan at May 10, 2021 03:57 PM (ohOLP)

83 77 67 Cuomo says if another virus hits NYC he will weld all the doors shut cuz compassion and competence.
Posted by: Puddin Head at May 10, 2021 03:53 PM (/MaDp)

Probably will burn all the nursing homes to the ground after sealing the doors. Just to be sure.
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And then publish a book and win an Emmy! Winning!

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 10, 2021 03:57 PM (/MaDp)

84 And they will not admit that the virus probably came from a lab, which would, at the very least, spur us to increase the safety standards in labs to above those of the local dentist office.

As Krystal Ball notes, the "escaped-from-a-lab" hypothesis has never been crazy, because at least one Frankenvirus has escaped from the labs creating them in almost every single year since this type of virus-splicing started.
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Meh. Why be careful? It's only G-d power we're dealing with...

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 10, 2021 03:57 PM (Jsjd7)

85 57 The virus killed Americans irrespective of their politics, stole our liberties, undermined our country, helped steal an election and has put us trillions more into debt.

Isn't it fantastic?! Don't forget all the profits that were made.

There are many other freaky things about it too.
Here is one more.

For 50 Years the Religious Right has tried to Shut Down public gay life.

Along comes a Communist Bat and they all just Shut Down and Shut Up like good little Democrat Party SLAVES.

Posted by: Corner Stone at May 10, 2021 03:57 PM (NLny5)

86 You think THAT'S bad? Check this out:

Basically, the CDC just announced it's only going to report vaccinated covid-19 cases if hospitalization or death forces the CDC to do so. Meaning we won't know if injections truly prevent infection as claimed, further rendering moot the efficacy of lockdowns, social distancing/masking policies and 'vaxxports'-based segregation (because we won't know if vaccines truly reduce transmisibility.

https://tinyurl.com/2bzhwbkm

BONUS: We DO know (from two decades plus of research) that coronavirus vaccines INCREASE the transmissibility rate and morbidity factor in successive infections:
https://tinyurl.com/t7mt7vh8

Posted by: geewhiz at May 10, 2021 03:58 PM (ih1HZ)

87
At the end of the day, the origin doesn't much matter, nor whether it was intentional or accidental or a freak of nature, or whatever... The response sure did. The government and media used a bad cold as a pretext to completely destroy all free societies. We can never, ever go back from what they've done. Hiding the truth so as not to embarrass their Chinese cronies/overlords is nothing compared to the damage they did subsequently.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 10, 2021 03:58 PM (Uh2oA)

88 The Chinese made sure we didn't get information fast. They also made sure we didn't get the correct information. They knew exactly what we would do, which is why they did that. The response and was devastating, and even more than they believed when Democrats weapon used SARS2 for their political advantage. They might as well be an arm of the CCP.
Posted by: Marcus T at May 10, 2021 03:57 PM (h2OUV)
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Probably, yes. I think even they were surprised when this thing (our response) didn't only not peter out but *strengthened* into summer.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 10, 2021 03:58 PM (Jsjd7)

89 This is a little out of my wheel house. But many more sciency people than me have said that the virus looks too clean to have come from random mutations. Basically it went from a bat disease to a highly transmissible human disease without all the normal evolutionary steps in the middle that you would expect.

That said ... short or a confession from China I doubt we will ever really know the truth. There is no smoking gun in the proteins in the virus or anything. It just looks very odd to the nerds.

I think the bigger question is why did the entire American scientific snd political establishments shut down any speculation of this being an altered virus and label anyone who mentioned the possibility as a conspiracy theorist spreading misinformation?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at May 10, 2021 03:58 PM (UPoLF)

90 Who's to blame for coronavirus?

SCIENCE.
THE "EXPERTS"

This fiasco is an indictment of the entire scientific system of gov. funded research. (I'm looking at you, AGW. .....)

(written by a guy who has worked on gov. funded research and written grant applications, and all the rest.)

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at May 10, 2021 03:58 PM (ANCpY)

91 IS THIS A MOVIE REVIEW?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 10, 2021 03:58 PM (CjFDo)

92 Plus, a release from a lab is almost always untraceable.
Posted by: Marcus T at May 10, 2021 03:53 PM (h2OUV)

...

Is the wet market not still a pretty likely vector?

Posted by: TexasDan at May 10, 2021 03:59 PM (ohOLP)

93 We don't need to be as worried about China as we should be about how our government fails to protect us.

Posted by: wth at May 10, 2021 03:59 PM (v0R5T)

94 The media instantly leapt to claim that in their completely untrained, ignorant opinion, the virus could not have escaped from a lab

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Well, they're right about that; it didn't escape from a lab. It was released.

Economic warfare via biological disease.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at May 10, 2021 03:59 PM (3FuNn)

95 Even if it wasn't intentional the first time the Chinese damn sure know how easy it is to shut down the US now.

Posted by: f'd at May 10, 2021 03:59 PM (Tnijr)

96 But weren't they already winning the economic and control war?

I'm not sure in what calculus you come out ahead by causing 1d20x10^18 damage to the world economy which is your main client, and over which you are effectively exerting ever greater control.
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They wanted Trump gone as badly as our Insane Trust Fund Babies wanted him gone. Its an alliance of World Aristocrats to insure their continued position and power. Matters little how it degrades the serfs and slaves.

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 10, 2021 03:59 PM (/MaDp)

97 At the end of the day, the origin doesn't much matter, nor whether it was intentional or accidental or a freak of nature, or whatever... The response sure did. The government and media used a bad cold as a pretext to completely destroy all free societies. We can never, ever go back from what they've done. Hiding the truth so as not to embarrass their Chinese cronies/overlords is nothing compared to the damage they did subsequently.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 10, 2021 03:58 PM (Uh2oA)
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The exactly the point I tried - ineffectively - to make at 66.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 10, 2021 03:59 PM (Jsjd7)

98 what I want to know is what they expected to do with this experimental knowledge?

How did the creation of these viruses help medicine?

I don't see what they were trying to find out. Unless is was strictly to find viral attack agents. And create "vaccines" to defend against those in preparation for their use by someone as an offensive weapon.

Posted by: jakee308 at May 10, 2021 03:59 PM (dLws2)

99 Does reading Ace's post put Fauci's continuing to wear a mask, at least in public, in a slightly different light?

Posted by: Darrell Harris at May 10, 2021 04:00 PM (mdjgu)

100 I hear radiation is lethal to virus.

Just sayin'
Posted by: Joe Mama

Bottled sunshine FTW!

Posted by: rickb223 at May 10, 2021 04:00 PM (OCTRt)

101 Is this backlash? Are we backlashing?

Posted by: Weasel at May 10, 2021 04:00 PM (MVjcR)

102 Well, they're right about that; it didn't escape from a lab. It was released.
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Yep. And was introduced with a Media campaign that made it look like the plague. It was the ultimate lever to steal an election. Collusion.

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 10, 2021 04:00 PM (/MaDp)

103 There is no smoking gun in the proteins in the virus or anything. It just looks very odd to the nerds.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at May 10, 2021 03:58 PM (UPoLF)

....

In the very simplified version that I heard, which stuck because it was such a simple story so maybe that's why I like it, there were known portions of the sequence that come from known sources that could not have otherwise mixed.

I"m not saying that's true horde, that is just what stuck in my memory--and the person saying it may be wrong.

Posted by: TexasDan at May 10, 2021 04:01 PM (ohOLP)

104 So it was literally a deliberate biological attack on the World by China. Why have we not Nuked them back to the Stone Age?

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at May 10, 2021 04:01 PM (JUOKG)

105 Even if you don't believe that this was created in a Wuhan Lab and intentionally or accidentally released, what are the odds that the CCP would be intentionally working to create this animal-human hybrid virus AND then have one pandemic begin naturally at the exact same place and time the CCP is attempting to do the same?

It beggars belief.

Posted by: 4 at May 10, 2021 04:01 PM (KnJdm)

106 Ace, this is an important post that should be permalinked on the margin.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at May 10, 2021 04:01 PM (BMmaB)

107
Also Related:

"Dr" Fucki says masks will be "seasonal."

I wonder which "season" he means....?

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at May 10, 2021 04:01 PM (8NLnQ)

108 "Are we backlashing?"
* perks up *

Posted by: Hunter in a dog collar at May 10, 2021 04:01 PM (Tnijr)

109 All the governments knew, or suspected, that COVID-19 is a bio weapon and that's why the hysterical response. What I don't understand is the hostility to treatments such as Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine.

Hostility to naming it the Wuhan flu is proof of it otherwise it wouldn't matter.

Posted by: President Select Decaf at May 10, 2021 04:02 PM (RMGKK)

110 Hope there is no tinkering with Ebola. Or yersinia pestis...

Posted by: kraken at May 10, 2021 04:02 PM (0KKyI)

111
Keep in mind, the CIA's #1 purpose to spy on foreign govts.

Yet the CIA didn't see this virus spreading all over the globe....until it was in the news.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at May 10, 2021 04:02 PM (8NLnQ)

112 Joe and rickb, be sure to take your Radithor!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radithor

Posted by: qdpsteve at May 10, 2021 04:02 PM (L2ZTs)

113 111 IOW, they are complicit

Posted by: CN at May 10, 2021 04:03 PM (ONvIw)

114 Instead of wearing masks we should going full tilt to build a shit ton of small subs to sink the Chinks Navy and Merchant Marine. Let them send their viruses in a bottle.

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 10, 2021 04:03 PM (/MaDp)

115 "Is the wet market not still a pretty likely vector?
Posted by: TexasDan at May 10, 2021 03:59 PM (ohOLP)"

Of course it is. That would help give credence to the lie it came from an animal. That is until the virologist (as noted in the article) found that highly unlikely. But at that point, the damage was already done. There is so much pointing to this as deliberate, it's not funny. But you have a Democrat Party who hates Americans more than anyone else. So they won't do a thing.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 10, 2021 04:04 PM (h2OUV)

116 The uniqueness of this website just really hit me...

Posted by: kraken at May 10, 2021 04:04 PM (0KKyI)

117 @Jkylebass _ China has been preparing to wage a biological World War III for over 6 years according to a bombshell document in the hands of the US State Department. #China #WuhanLab #Bioweapon.

https://t.co/ODpgav3BbL?amp=1

The bombshell paper, accessed by the US State Department, insists they will be 'the core weapon for victory' in such a conflict, even outlining the perfect conditions to release a bioweapon, and documenting the impact it would have on 'the enemy's medical system'. @ABlinken

https://
twitter.com/Jkylebass/status/1391481219284553736

Posted by: Braenyard at May 10, 2021 04:04 PM (oS5s6)

118 111
Keep in mind, the CIA's #1 purpose to spy on foreign govts.

Yet the CIA didn't see this virus spreading all over the globe....until it was in the news.
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They were busy ferretting out white supremacists.

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 10, 2021 04:04 PM (/MaDp)

119 It's the time of the season for masking.

Posted by: The New Zombies at May 10, 2021 04:04 PM (Tnijr)

120 The first clown to suggest this should've been dragged from the conference table and strangled in the parking lot. The lab should've been Tomahawked with a "Special".

Posted by: DaveA at May 10, 2021 04:04 PM (FhXTo)

121
Regardless of whether the virus was created by the chinese shits on purpose or not, the CIA supposedly never saw the epidemic in Wuhan, and never even suspected any untoward happening at a Bio Lab....in china.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at May 10, 2021 04:04 PM (8NLnQ)

122 Posted by: jakee308 at May 10, 2021 03:59 PM (dLws2)

Generally speaking now that scientists can sequence and manipulate dna they are trying to basically reverse engineer evolution to see how it works and if they can recreate it.

That is less ethnically problematic with things like viruses than it is with primates or humans.

They will couch it in other terms but that is the gist of it. No one has convinced me why this is a necessary thing to do but scientists seem fascinated by it.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at May 10, 2021 04:04 PM (UPoLF)

123 I think the CIA's job is to keep tabs on who's fucking who in DC

beyond that, they seem pretty incompetent

Posted by: DB- just DB at May 10, 2021 04:05 PM (iTXRQ)

124 What I don't understand is the hostility to treatments such as Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine.

My guess ? They were hoarding it for themselves. And now that they've seen its no big deal - they just don't want to admit they lied.

Posted by: Like A Rock at May 10, 2021 04:05 PM (9ls8w)

125 Ace: "The below video is worth watching. They emphasize that the people charged with investigating if covid came from the Wuhan lab are the same people responsible for funding the Wuhan lab..."

What if this was, in actuality, a future business model?

Design a virus and its vaccine at the same time. Release the virus seasonally and follow up with the concordant health product immunization afterwards.

You'll be creating your own industry in perpetuity, and because it's health-related with life-altering consequences, the cost will never be an object. It's a printing press for currency.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at May 10, 2021 04:05 PM (aXxgO)

126 Wait Cuomo said this was Europe tho

Posted by: blaster at May 10, 2021 04:05 PM (ZfRYq)

127 Joe and rickb, be sure to take your Radithor!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radithor
Posted by: qdpsteve

I still have a couple of bottles of potassium iodide in the Y2k stash.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 10, 2021 04:05 PM (OCTRt)

128
Australia pretty much said this china virus was engineered, and Australia has some very real concerns about an aggressive China

Posted by: will choose a nic later at May 10, 2021 04:05 PM (bTQ72)

129 It's amazing how nobody mentioned this back in July of 2019. The next pandemic will be a derivative of livestock, - beef, - so that the fucking eco-green whackos can attempt to strong arm people into eating insects and steaks grown in a petri-dish from your own feces.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 10, 2021 04:05 PM (2goRJ)

130 1. Our response was guided by Chinese dis-information, propaganda, influence, and lies.

2. Stop moving blame away from China. In a just world the entire country would be auctioned off to pay reparations.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at May 10, 2021 04:05 PM (ANCpY)

131 Instead of wearing masks we should going full tilt to build a shit ton of small subs to sink the Chinks Navy and Merchant Marine. Let them send their viruses in a bottle.

- -

The downside is the current US Navy that would be crewing them.

Posted by: WitchDoktor at May 10, 2021 04:05 PM (3CSAg)

132 24 Good. More please.

Sooner or later, we will have to nuke China.

No one would miss them.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 10, 2021 03:44 PM (xW72t)

Yeah? Watch me!--hapless, coke-bottled woke air force pilot

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 10, 2021 04:05 PM (N39Ws)

133 Keep in mind, the CIA's #1 purpose to spy on foreign govts.

Yet the CIA didn't see this virus spreading all over the globe....until it was in the news.

That's because Trump was the foreign gov't.

Posted by: t-bird at May 10, 2021 04:05 PM (3fR4G)

134 what I want to know is what they expected to do with this experimental knowledge?

How did the creation of these viruses help medicine?

I don't see what they were trying to find out. Unless is was
strictly to find viral attack agents. And create "vaccines" to defend
against those in preparation for their use by someone as an offensive
weapon.

Posted by: jakee308 at May 10, 2021 03:59 PM (dLws2)

Karl Denninger at market ticker supposed that you could intend some sort of biospecific bioweapon, which, heretofore, you have had to cope with the nonspecific side effects of bioweapons (e.g., killing your own dudes). That the vaccine may give rise to ADE (antibody-dependent enhancement) somewhat gives credence that you can somehow program the human body (in addition to the point of vaccines, generally) to respond in a desired way to a biological agent.

Posted by: 4 at May 10, 2021 04:05 PM (KnJdm)

135 Then here is the million Yuan question -

Why did Trump trust Fauci ?

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid, surprise. Not surprised at May 10, 2021 04:05 PM (n/szn)

136 What's the world coming to when you can't trust a brutal dictatorship to tell you the truth?

Oh, and you can't trust China, either.

Posted by: Wally at May 10, 2021 04:06 PM (FJYfm)

137 What I don't understand is the hostility to treatments such as Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine.

My guess ? They were hoarding it for themselves. And now that they've seen its no big deal - they just don't want to admit they lied.
Posted by: Like A Rock

That and they are like a penny a dose and they are no longer under patent.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 10, 2021 04:06 PM (OCTRt)

138 DB at May 10, 2021 04:05 PM (iTXRQ)

124 What I don't understand is the hostility to treatments such as Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine.

My guess ? They were hoarding it for themselves. And now that they've seen its no big deal - they just don't want to admit they lied.
Posted by: Like A Rock at May 10, 2021 04:05 PM (9ls8w)

Alternately, I would say follow the Money.. always..

Posted by: kraken at May 10, 2021 04:06 PM (0KKyI)

139 This is, and I am not joking at all, very Soviet.

Anything against the State is a conspiracy. Anyone who doubts the State is mentally ill and must be reeducated. Anything that does not comport with the State's position is A Lie.

But mean tweets!

Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at May 10, 2021 04:06 PM (GbPPJ)

140 What I don't understand is the hostility to treatments such as Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine.

- -

I think it's because Big Pharma wanted to make a ton of money on a mandated vaccine, so any alternative treatments had to be stomped down and fast.

Posted by: WitchDoktor at May 10, 2021 04:06 PM (3CSAg)

141 Democrats go on living until they're walking energizer bunny corpses wreaking unending havoc - Ted Kennedy, RBG, Leaky Leahy, Pelosi, McConnell, Frank Lautencadaver, Soros, Warren Buffet, and on and on.

Only conservatives and those who cause real harm to the Democrats, not so much - "natural causes" and all: Breitbart, Scalia, Epstein, every Clinton confidant, etc.

Posted by: Cringe Biscuit at May 10, 2021 04:06 PM (NcCwV)

142 The downside is the current US Navy that would be crewing them.
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Put a bayonnet on the bow and let the Marines sail them.

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 10, 2021 04:07 PM (/MaDp)

143
And let's put to rest all these dumb Myths about the Mossad.

The Mossad is fucking Inept and Useless. The Mossad is as utterly corrupt and incompetent as the CIA.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at May 10, 2021 04:07 PM (8NLnQ)

144 Regardless of whether the virus was created by the
chinese shits on purpose or not, the CIA supposedly never saw the
epidemic in Wuhan, and never even suspected any untoward happening at a
Bio Lab....in china.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at May 10, 2021 04:04 PM (8NLnQ)

Didn't see or wouldn't prepare their enemy of the deep state to respond adequately?

Schumer: something, something, seven ways from Sunday.

Posted by: 4 at May 10, 2021 04:07 PM (KnJdm)

145 What I don't understand is the hostility to treatments such as Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine.

Because they work. If you have a cure, you have no lockdown and no massive expansion of government power (especially at the local level. Boy, they loved that!)

Posted by: t-bird at May 10, 2021 04:08 PM (3fR4G)

146 Nothing bad is going to happen to China with Sundowner the Chinese employee in the White house

Posted by: Skip at May 10, 2021 04:08 PM (Cxk7w)

147 Sooth, I dunno. Mossad seem to be doing pretty well with regard to staying on top of Iran.

Posted by: qdpsteve at May 10, 2021 04:08 PM (L2ZTs)

148 So many "smart" people are just high functioning retards.

Posted by: wodun at May 10, 2021 04:08 PM (lFga6)

149 I still have a couple of bottles of potassium iodide in the Y2k stash.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 10, 2021 04:05 PM

We got those pills every year when we lived in CT upwind from the Millstone Nuke plant. 4 per household every year unless you requested more.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at May 10, 2021 04:08 PM (JUOKG)

150
Also, the MI-6.

Bunch of wankers.
All these "spy" agencies are just govt social clubs with pensions for perverts and political hacks.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at May 10, 2021 04:08 PM (8NLnQ)

151 OT: Can't make this shit up.

Per the NY Post - the apparent owner of a tiger spotted in Houston, TX is out on bond on a murder change from November.

Posted by: Archer at May 10, 2021 04:08 PM (gmo/4)

152 Regardless of whether the virus was created by the

chinese shits on purpose or not, the CIA supposedly never saw the

epidemic in Wuhan, and never even suspected any untoward happening at a

Bio Lab....in china.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at May 10, 2021 04:04 PM (8NLnQ)
Didn't see or wouldn't prepare their enemy of the deep state to respond adequately?
Schumer: something, something, seven ways from Sunday.Posted by: 4 at May 10, 2021 04:07 PM (KnJdm)
But, rainbow lanyards and one-handed diaper changers!

Posted by: The CIA at May 10, 2021 04:09 PM (BMmaB)

153 I want a Murder Tiger.

Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at May 10, 2021 04:09 PM (GbPPJ)

154 I think we were batting around the China virus here at AOS back in Dec 2019, me thinks

Posted by: will choose a nic later at May 10, 2021 04:09 PM (bTQ72)

155 Posted by: TexasDan at May 10, 2021 04:01 PM (ohOLP)

The basic argument is that viruses can do jump species all the time. What is very rare is for a virus to not only jump from a bat to a human but also to simultaneously have a mutation that also allows for it to be transmissible other humans. It has happened but usually after a very long time with many infections and many failed mutations. For example when you have a swine flu endemic in a pig population and the pigs keep infecting and reinfecting the farmers who take care of them. Eventually it could then become transmissible to other humans. But that whole history of constant mutations shows up genetics of the virus. This one doesnt have any of that. Just the one jump.

As I understand it.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at May 10, 2021 04:09 PM (UPoLF)

156 At the end of the day, the origin doesn't much matter, nor whether it was intentional or accidental or a freak of nature, or whatever
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 10, 2021 03:58 PM (Uh2oA)

It matters.

Who did it?

Ask yourself who has the most to gain? Washington hated Trump.

Posted by: Golfman at May 10, 2021 04:09 PM (hOMhY)

157 My guess ? They were hoarding it for themselves. And now that they've seen its no big deal - they just don't want to admit they lied.
Posted by: Like A Rock at May 10, 2021 04:05 PM (9ls8w)
++++
Maybe, but I don't think that holds up well. They're easy to make and off-patent. There'd be nothing preventing any country that wanted to from manufacturing and distributing it freely.

That's a part of it - the money angle - but I don't think that's the primary motivator. If you have a good therapeutic regimen (HCQ + Zinc + Vitamin D is decent, Ivermectin + Vitamin D is excellent), then suddenly you *don't* get a lot of things. You don't get new vaccine crash programs. You don't get emergency use authorizations (EUAs are forbidden if there's an effective therapeutic). Most important, you don't get to extend massive long-term controls based on fear, force people into taking brand new drugs (on-patent) with unknown long-term effects, you don't get to implement a UBI scheme, you don't get total chaos and subsequent ratcheting up of controls to deal with that chaos.

The last thing any of these assholes wanted was an effective therapeutic regimen.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 10, 2021 04:09 PM (Jsjd7)

158 Shep Smith wants a pony.

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 10, 2021 04:09 PM (/MaDp)

159 OT: Can't make this shit up.

Per the NY Post - the apparent owner of a tiger spotted in Houston, TX is out on bond on a murder change from November.
Posted by: Archer

Fucking Carole Baskin!

Posted by: rickb223 at May 10, 2021 04:09 PM (OCTRt)

160 All these "spy" agencies are just govt social clubs with pensions for perverts and political hacks.
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at May 10, 2021 04:08 PM (8NLnQ)

I'm guessing 80% of their time is spent tracking women who have rejected them over the years.

Posted by: Wally at May 10, 2021 04:10 PM (FJYfm)

161
I dunno. Mossad seem to be doing pretty well with regard to staying on top of Iran.
Posted by: qdpsteve

You jest, shirley, yes?
Iran has been doing whatever it wants for the last 4 decades.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at May 10, 2021 04:10 PM (8NLnQ)

162 This is why they don't give us Morons launch keys.

Posted by: DaveA at May 10, 2021 04:10 PM (FhXTo)

163 >Then here is the million Yuan question -

Why did Trump trust Fauci ?
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom!

probably because someone Trump trusted recommended Faux Chi

and maybe the appointment was rushed, cuz Trump prides himself on decisive problem solving

Posted by: DB- just DB at May 10, 2021 04:10 PM (iTXRQ)

164 Sooth, I dunno. Mossad seem to be doing pretty well with regard to staying on top of Iran.

Posted by: qdpsteve at May 10, 2021 04:08 PM (L2ZTs)

And a CFS school usually beats a D-III team, too.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at May 10, 2021 04:11 PM (BMmaB)

165 Dr. Scott Gotlieb, former head of FDA or some other alphabet agency and NBC's go to guy for expert medical covid commentary alluded to this the other day. Basically he summarized saying there's evidence pointing that way.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Low Glycemic Souls at May 10, 2021 04:11 PM (Wm5SB)

166 Caesar, whodathunkit? ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at May 10, 2021 04:11 PM (L2ZTs)

167 >>> What I don't understand is the hostility to treatments such as Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine.

I read somewhere that you can't get emergency authorization for a "vaccine" if there are successful treatments.

Posted by: DJ at May 10, 2021 04:11 PM (O3/K+)

168 Well - I guess Dr. Strangelove there got his vaccine...his cure for the 'common cold' which is what a coronavirus is essentially.

Killing off a half a billion folks here was worth it, mein fuhrer!

Posted by: Boswell at May 10, 2021 04:11 PM (w2LAm)

169 Anything against the State is a conspiracy. Anyone who doubts the State
is mentally ill and must be reeducated. Anything that does not comport
with the State's position is A Lie.

This situation could be changed. Just sayin'...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Psychos Rule! No, really. They're in charge now. at May 10, 2021 04:11 PM (HaL55)

170 furin some cleavage sites is OK

Posted by: Claude at May 10, 2021 04:12 PM (oS5s6)

171 124 What I don't understand is the hostility to treatments such as Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine.

My guess ? They were hoarding it for themselves. And now that they've seen its no big deal - they just don't want to admit they lied.
Posted by: Like A Rock at May 10, 2021 04:05 PM (9ls8w)

Not hoarding.

They want no cure.

Posted by: Golfman at May 10, 2021 04:12 PM (hOMhY)

172 So many "smart" people are just high functioning retards.

Geez Man - at least have the common courtesy to whisper it behind my back !!!

Posted by: Like A Rock at May 10, 2021 04:12 PM (9ls8w)

173 China has been releasing, purposely or otherwise, viruses for the last twenty or so years. They never pay a price so I expect it to continue.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 10, 2021 04:12 PM (kTF2Z)

174 Per the NY Post - the apparent owner of a tiger spotted in Houston, TX is out on bond on a murder change from November.
Posted by: Archer at May 10, 2021 04:08 PM (gmo/4)

The Tiger King?

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at May 10, 2021 04:12 PM (cSyAR)

175 Iran has been doing whatever it wants for the last 4 decades.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at May 10, 2021 04:10 PM

Why does their $hit keep blowing up regularly then? Oh and that huge document heist the Mossad pulled off under their noses and put on display for the entire World to see they have been working on Nukes for decades? incompetence?

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at May 10, 2021 04:12 PM (JUOKG)

176 I think it's because Big Pharma wanted to make a ton of money on a mandated vaccine, so any alternative treatments had to be stomped down and fast.
Posted by: WitchDoktor

Imagine being a virologist, researcher, or even a Dr. and getting on Pharma's bad side? They are all getting paid either directly or indirectly. They get to give talks at conferences, get to do research, get stipends, get appointments,.... get tenure, get grants....

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at May 10, 2021 04:12 PM (ANCpY)

177 All we really need to know is that in the face of this insurmountable foe, the American people girded their loins and then...

Promptly cut them off and offered them up to anyone who could promise them even a modicum of safety, no matter how small, insignificant or unnecessary that modicum was.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at May 10, 2021 04:13 PM (KbCG3)

178 Then here is the million Yuan question -

Why did Trump trust Fauci ?

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom!

probably because someone Trump trusted recommended Faux Chi

and maybe the appointment was rushed, cuz Trump prides himself on decisive problem solvingPosted by: DB- just DB at May 10, 2021 04:10 PM (iTXRQ

Why wouldn't he? I would assume that the expert is actually the expert in some area where I didn't know anything. Trump pushed back plenty on the lockdown.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at May 10, 2021 04:13 PM (BMmaB)

179 The FNM: COVID is the worst disease ever. We can spare no money, no privacy concerns, and no thoughts to how medicine and science traditionally work to resolve it.

Also the FNM: Asking about the origins of COVID? THAT IS RAYCISS AND VERBOTEN!

Posted by: 18-1 at May 10, 2021 04:13 PM (DpkTQ)

180 Krystal Ball was the one who was servicing the guy's nose dildo in a photo a decade ago, maybe less. Actually, just silly stuff at a party but the pictures screwed up her career for a while. She was also on Red Eye a few times. Very much a lefty. But they all are, aren't they.

Posted by: banana Dream at May 10, 2021 04:14 PM (RS2U1)

181 How in the hell did we allow this type of research to be funded and shared with America's biggest and most dangerous military adversary? It's like funding and sharing nuclear bomb research in 1933 Germany .

Posted by: Can't help myself at May 10, 2021 04:14 PM (2DOZq)

182 And I cannot help but ponder that Gate's thinks the world is overpopulated and would be delighted if the Moderna covid-19 vaccine results in a actual high die off rate when SARS-3 rolls around. I don't think Pfizer has that same goal; but I'm still going anti-vaxxer as far as my own body on this one.

Honestly I don't blame parents for pushing back on vaccines when they say how many vaccines are now recommended. I think almost all kids benefit from getting vaccinated against MMR, and DPT? and polio. Do they need to get vaccinated for a bunch of other stuff? Well, I'm not not a virologist or pediatrician. But given the CDC's BS about covid I certainly won't just take their word on the subject. If I were a parent I'd want my pediatrician to persuade me that he has read pro and con papers to decide that this new vaccine should be given and that one can be skipped.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply Irredeemable at May 10, 2021 04:14 PM (Aashi)

183 Can i stil haz bats?

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid, surprise. Not surprised at May 10, 2021 04:14 PM (n/szn)

184
I think it's because Big Pharma wanted to make a ton of money on a
mandated vaccine, so any alternative treatments had to be stomped down
and fast.

Posted by: WitchDoktor

Pfizer and Moderna stand to walk away from this pandemic worth about $500 BILLION $$$$ more than when it started. Just sayin.....

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at May 10, 2021 04:15 PM (JUOKG)

185 179 The FNM: COVID is the worst disease ever. We can spare no money, no privacy concerns, and no thoughts to how medicine and science traditionally work to resolve it.

Also the FNM: Asking about the origins of COVID? THAT IS RAYCISS AND VERBOTEN!

Posted by: 18-1 at May 10, 2021 04:13 PM (DpkTQ)

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"The Chinese eat bats because they're a dirty, dirty people! Also, we must protect the precious Asian communities."
-The Media

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at May 10, 2021 04:15 PM (LvTSG)

186 Biden says people able to work must take jobs or lose unemployment

Posted by: SMOD at May 10, 2021 04:15 PM (RHGPo)

187 133 Keep in mind, the CIA's #1 purpose to spy on foreign govts.

Yet the CIA didn't see this virus spreading all over the globe....until it was in the news.

That's because Trump was the foreign gov't.
Posted by: t-bird

Lying traitor John Brennan changed that. Also, CIA assets were leaked to the ChiComs and eliminated while Brennan was in charge of the CIA. That is not a coincidence.

Posted by: Puddleglum at May 10, 2021 04:15 PM (G8WqP)

188 Why did Trump trust Fauci ?

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom!

probably because someone Trump trusted recommended Faux Chi

-
Now he sleeps with fishes.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 10, 2021 04:15 PM (VVEnO)

189 186 Biden says people able to work must take jobs or lose unemployment
Posted by: SMOD at May 10, 2021 04:15 PM (RHGPo)

==========

"See? He's not a radical!"
-The Left

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at May 10, 2021 04:15 PM (LvTSG)

190 And they did this because whatever Trump says is a lie or must be made into a lie, and furthermore, because the media is not the tribune of the people, it is the tribune of the ruling classes and the government bureaucracy,

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Journalists are quickly sinking in public estimation way below used car salesmen. I would believe less what they are selling than I would expect Saturday Night Live to be funny.

Posted by: President Select Decaf at May 10, 2021 04:16 PM (RMGKK)

191 SMOD, Joe had a short moment of lucidity then? OMG.

Also I read at HotFart that Joe's handlers' border policy ("let everyone in, we don't care') is turning out to be too reckless even for Xavier Becerra (!!!).

Posted by: qdpsteve at May 10, 2021 04:16 PM (L2ZTs)

192 How in the hell did we allow this type of research to be funded and shared with America's biggest and most dangerous military adversary?

How could we not?! It's perfect!

Posted by: The Elite at May 10, 2021 04:16 PM (fFtVH)

193
You people talk of The Mossad as if they're Ninjas.
Yet they only manage to slow down Iran.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at May 10, 2021 04:17 PM (8NLnQ)

194 I read somewhere that you can't get emergency authorization for a "vaccine" if there are successful treatments.
Posted by: DJ

This is true, but why should that law matter when they walked all over all the other laws on the books?

Yeah, maybe Big Pharma was running an op just in case, but they were also developing their own therapeutics. that cost thousands per dose. I hold that they did not want a cheap easy cure. They were intent on making as much as they could (in perpetuity) and the entire industry is corrupted by their cash and our media's incompetence and intransigence against Trump.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at May 10, 2021 04:17 PM (ANCpY)

195 And India which had handled covid relatively well just happens to get slammed with it now when it is fading elsewhere? Has nothing to do with china's territorial ambitions I'm sure.

Posted by: Mishdog at May 10, 2021 04:17 PM (cqAUI)

196 "The Chinese eat bats because they're a dirty, dirty people! Also, we must protect the precious Asian communities."

-The MediaPosted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at May 10, 2021 04:15 PM (LvTSG
That's basically the same thing as saying the police shouldn't intervene in community on community knife fights, which makes logical sense in certain quarters.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at May 10, 2021 04:17 PM (BMmaB)

197 Hey Fauci
You're so fine
You're so fine
You blow my mind
Hey Fauci!
Hey, hey, Hey Fauci.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 10, 2021 04:18 PM (VVEnO)

198 Journalists are quickly sinking in public estimation way below used car salesmen. I would believe less what they are selling than I would expect Saturday Night Live to be funny.
Posted by: President Select Decaf at May 10, 2021 04:16 PM (RMGKK)
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Even the sleaziest used car salesman - the kind that lies, obfuscates, overcharges, uses high pressure tactics and offloads junk at premium prices - at least ensures that you *do* actually get a car at the end of the transaction.

He's many, many cuts above a journalist.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 10, 2021 04:18 PM (Jsjd7)

199 And yes, they repeatedly note that Anthony Fauci himself directed America to fund this bat virus research at Wuhan, using an "exception" to avoid the US ban on using US money to fund these dangerous projects.

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Fauci is our biggest problem, this snake advised a president while double dealing. Surely there's a law ...

Posted by: President Select Decaf at May 10, 2021 04:18 PM (RMGKK)

200 Posted by: Can't help myself at May 10, 2021 04:14 PM (2DOZq)

Oh we outsource all kinds of shit like this to the third world. We have a lot of laws and regulations and protestors and oversights and a functioning court system and whatnot (at least theoretically) in this country.

China and India are less concerned about that kind of stuff.

So it is much cheaper to do this kind of research in China. Imagine if this virus escaped a US lab. There would be lawsuits flying and people protesting snd congresspeople in front of cameras demanding people go to jail. Etc etc

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at May 10, 2021 04:18 PM (UPoLF)

201 "The Chinese eat bats because they're a dirty, dirty people! Also, we must protect the precious Asian communities."
The FNM: We must stop these Trump supporting White Supremacists from killing Asian people based on Trump's orders.
Also the FNM: Trump hates black people - and they voted against him utterly. Real votes people!
Also, also the FNM: Ignore the skin color of the people actually attacking Asian people. The are multi-racial white supremacists working for Trump!

Posted by: 18-1 at May 10, 2021 04:18 PM (DpkTQ)

202 Me? I stare a goats and can walk through walls.

Posted by: Archer at May 10, 2021 04:19 PM (gmo/4)

203 A spotted tiger? Isn't that a leopard?

Posted by: The New Zombies at May 10, 2021 04:19 PM (Tnijr)

204 Biden says people able to work must take jobs or lose unemployment

Posted by: SMOD at May 10, 2021 04:15 PM (RHGPo)

==========

"See? He's not a radical!"

-The Left

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at May 10, 2021 04:15 PM (LvTSG)

Then he has no idea what his own administration's policy is.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at May 10, 2021 04:19 PM (BMmaB)

205
We do not allow firefighters to set their own fires.

----

You may not ALLOW it, but...

Posted by: Volunteer Fireman with Raging Boner at May 10, 2021 04:19 PM (vjpTb)

206 Do I think this was an outright attack on the US by China? Yes

Do I think that Obama, the CIA and Anthony Fauci had a direct hand in funding it's creation? Yes

Posted by: Gmac - WTF did you think was going to happen? at May 10, 2021 04:19 PM (qZdIZ)

207 I clearly remember us talking in the morning thread in January 2020 or so on how it was pretty incredible - in a very evil, suspicious way - that the US was already stating they had a vaccine for a super contagious virus that was tearing through international trade cities in China where 10K+ people traveled back and forth each week yet somehow didn't reach the US until March.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Important article about what's coming at May 10, 2021 04:19 PM (Kt1w/)

208 While ruling class and the media deny... That is all the proof I need to know that covid was cooked up in a Wuhan lab.

When those two entities, but they really just one, deny something you know it is true.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 10, 2021 04:19 PM (pw+jk)

209 Not hoarding. They want no cure.
Posted by: Golfman at May 10, 2021 04:12 PM (hOMhY)

In the beginning ? They were scared shitless - you could see it. But now ? Yeah - you are right. Certain folks in certain places don't want this to ever end. And that includes folks on Main Street USA. They find personal meaning in this shit. Its fucked up. As are they.

Posted by: Like A Rock at May 10, 2021 04:19 PM (9ls8w)

210 171 Someone give golf and a cigar

Posted by: Skip at May 10, 2021 04:20 PM (Cxk7w)

211 Why wouldn't he? I would assume that the expert is actually the expert in some area where I didn't know anything. Trump pushed back plenty on the lockdown.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at May 10, 2021 04:13 PM (BMmaB)

Except when he criticized GA for opening up. Anyway , Fauci and Neil Ferguson's terrible reputation was well known on the Right . Trump was ill served by his advisers who didn't inform him of this, if that was the case.

Posted by: Can't help myself at May 10, 2021 04:20 PM (2DOZq)

212
biden says people able to work must take jobs or lose unemployment
Posted by: SMOD

Except the "teachers," of course.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at May 10, 2021 04:20 PM (8NLnQ)

213 I once spotted a Tiger in my Pajamas.

Posted by: garrett at May 10, 2021 04:20 PM (FfH7u)

214 It's a simple question and answer -
How would you justifiably force voting by mail in the US? A virus exactly like the KungFlu. That was the goal and it was done flawlessly. We on the right take the ensuing blame for not ferociously and fearlessly preventing the resulting fraud. Sitting back and poll watching was a joke.

Posted by: Cringe Biscuit at May 10, 2021 04:20 PM (NcCwV)

215 While working for a biotech company last year, I got a good look at the complete genome for The 'Rona, and had a very accomplished scientist point out to me where you could tell something weird was spliced into it.

If interested, look up an article called: "Bad News Wrapped in Protein" dated April 3, 2020, and you can look at the genome in all its glory, and see the splice on page 22, which is a highlighted sequence of the following nucleobases: ccucggcgggca

Also, the terminal end of the genome has a sequence of 33 straight adenine nucleobases, which I am advised NEVER occurs in natural.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 10, 2021 04:20 PM (AsuAQ)

216 193
You people talk of The Mossad as if they're Ninjas.
Yet they only manage to slow down Iran.
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at May 10, 2021 04:17 PM (8NLnQ)

And what exactly are the ninjas accomplishing meanwhile huh?

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is Already Dead at May 10, 2021 04:20 PM (z5Vrg)

217 And India which had handled covid relatively well just happens to get slammed with it now when it is fading elsewhere? Has nothing to do with china's territorial ambitions I'm sure.
Posted by: Mishdog at May 10, 2021 04:17 PM (cqAUI)

It never made any sense that the subcontinent was not the worst affected. No hygiene standards. People all packed together. Horrible healthcare system. So many homeless or marginally employed people. And yet they didnt get hit until now while Europe and the US got the worst of it? Thats been weird to me since day one.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at May 10, 2021 04:20 PM (UPoLF)

218 From what I understand, Bill Gates takes great pride in vaccinating children whenever he's away from his estranged wife.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 10, 2021 04:20 PM (2goRJ)

219 By the way, after curtailing the wet markets in the Wuhan region for a few months the Chinese government re-opened them because the locales really want them.
So if COVID is an accident that came out of these wet markets it WILL happen again and no one cares.

Posted by: 18-1 at May 10, 2021 04:20 PM (DpkTQ)

220 Oh we outsource all kinds of shit like this to the
third world. We have a lot of laws and regulations and protestors and
oversights and a functioning court system and whatnot (at least
theoretically) in this country.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at May 10, 2021 04:18 PM (UPoLF)

There is quite a cottage industry of human trials of various medicines in sub-Saharan Africa.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at May 10, 2021 04:20 PM (BMmaB)

221 Ninja, please.

Posted by: garrett at May 10, 2021 04:21 PM (FfH7u)

222
Biden says people able to work must take jobs or lose unemployment

So if I take a job I can keep my unemployment? Thanks, retarded bowl of oatmeal!

Posted by: Archer at May 10, 2021 04:21 PM (gmo/4)

223 It the Chinese developed this virus (which I believe they did), it would be for use on their own population. Why would they "weaponize" a virus for use against an enemy or competitor that focuses extremely effectively in the elimination of the oldest, weakest segment of the population?

Sure, it's sad that there are deaths, but the "culling" of the herd is certainly an economic boon to the target country. Health care experiences a short term overload, then the pipeline is essentially cleaned to provide better healthcare to those surviving. Money is moved to the next generation for investment and real estate is opened to lower costs on the overall inventory.

Sure, China made this virus, but they were planning on using it at home.

Posted by: jwest at May 10, 2021 04:21 PM (/BlEx)

224 From what I understand, Bill Gates takes great pride in vaccinating children whenever he's away from his estranged wife.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 10, 2021 04:20 PM (2goRJ)

Vaccinating with the meat syringe?

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at May 10, 2021 04:21 PM (BMmaB)

225 Oh we outsource all kinds of shit like this to the third world. We have a lot of laws and regulations and protestors and oversights and a functioning court system and whatnot (at least theoretically) in this country.

**

Vaccine development for one.

If the COVID did nothing else, it made me aware of 1) use of abortions in vaccines, and 2) the fact that 1st world countries kill a LOT of 3rd world inhabitants testing vaccines in hopes of not killing many 1st world consumers.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Important article about what's coming at May 10, 2021 04:21 PM (Kt1w/)

226 >>Bill Gates takes great pride in vaccinating children whenever he's away from his estranged wife.

'You are gonna feel a little prick'

Posted by: garrett at May 10, 2021 04:21 PM (FfH7u)

227 My theory has always been the gummint wants a frightened population. Frightened people are easier to control.

Posted by: Weasel at May 10, 2021 04:22 PM (MVjcR)

228 Murder Tigers what shoot Murder Hornets out of their mouths when they roar. A roar being a rilly rilly loud meow.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Confuzzled at May 10, 2021 04:22 PM (x8Wzq)

229 By the way, the tradional way to handle a pandemic is to complete stop all travel from that region to your own.

When COVID hit the news the left was telling us travel bans were rayciss and the Dems were telling people to go hug every random Asian person they can find.

Posted by: 18-1 at May 10, 2021 04:22 PM (DpkTQ)

230 There is quite a cottage industry of human trials of various medicines in sub-Saharan Africa.
Posted by: Caesar North

***

Hordemind

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Important article about what's coming at May 10, 2021 04:22 PM (Kt1w/)

231 198 Journalists are quickly sinking in public estimation way below used car salesmen. I would believe less what they are selling than I would expect Saturday Night Live to be funny.
Posted by: President Select Decaf at May 10, 2021 04:16 PM (RMGKK)
++++
Even the sleaziest used car salesman - the kind that lies, obfuscates, overcharges, uses high pressure tactics and offloads junk at premium prices - at least ensures that you *do* actually get a car at the end of the transaction.

He's many, many cuts above a journalist.
Posted by: Joe Mannix

Serial Killers rate above 'Journalists' at this point.

Posted by: Puddleglum at May 10, 2021 04:23 PM (G8WqP)

232 zerohedge:
Bulletin Of Atomic Scientists Opens The Wuhan Virus Pandora's Box
It's pretty clear that the culpability for the virus is spread around.At this point, most of the major scientific players of the pandemic are involved and they don't want the source of the virus to be revealed (because they were all part of it)

Posted by: SMOD at May 10, 2021 04:23 PM (RHGPo)

233 Right. They couldn't get approval for the vaccines if there was a treatment. So they made treatments illegal. And there's a good chance that ivermectin is useful against other viral infections. We can't have that.

One of the most interesting parts of the interview of Dr Pierre Kroy by Dr John Campbell is where Dr Kroy follows the logic and says that there had to be a conspiracy. Nothing else explains it.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at May 10, 2021 04:23 PM (YynYJ)

234 Posted by: Moron Robbie - Important article about what's coming at May 10, 2021 04:19 PM (Kt1w/)

According to a longeweishe (sp?) article I read (probably in the Atlantic) a scientist in our very own cdc had the vaccine ready to go within a few weeks of China sequencing the virus. The delay between then and now was getting it over to big pharma and having them run tests and figure out dosage etc and to do their clinical trials.

It is interesting.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at May 10, 2021 04:23 PM (UPoLF)

235 I saw Humanized Mice open for The Rat Pack at the Sahara in Vegas in 1964.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 10, 2021 04:23 PM (AsuAQ)

236 Coronavirus was always a con. A deadly con to some, but a con nonetheless.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 10, 2021 04:23 PM (r+sAi)

237 God bless them, they did try a more sane and calm approach, by having the CDC baldly declare that it didn't "look like" a Chinese lab virus which should have been enough but they have kept pushing more and more to make sure nobody even brings up the possibility which smacks of an intel operation, not factual efforts.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 10, 2021 04:23 PM (KZzsI)

238 230 There is quite a cottage industry of human trials of various medicines in sub-Saharan Africa.
Posted by: Caesar North

***

Hordemind
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Important article about what's coming at May 10, 2021 04:22 PM (Kt1w/)

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I was just thinking that.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at May 10, 2021 04:23 PM (LvTSG)

239 Was Coronavirus Cooked Up in a Wuhan Lab?

Is the Pope Catholic?

Wait, don't answer that.

Posted by: WisRich at May 10, 2021 04:23 PM (G0vdT)

240 Sure, China made this virus, but they were planning on using it at home.
That is the only way the bio-weapon angle makes sense. The virus mostly harms the very old and the very fat - not soldiers or even the economically productive.

Posted by: 18-1 at May 10, 2021 04:24 PM (DpkTQ)

241 Drop your pants I'm got to give you a little poke in your butt.

Posted by: Builly Gates at May 10, 2021 04:24 PM (pw+jk)

242 That's why I infected all those Chinese Hoes with viruses of my own. Retribution for America!

Posted by: Hunter at May 10, 2021 04:24 PM (BRpqW)

243 Oh, and the splice I mention in the comment at 215 above was on the spike protein.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 10, 2021 04:24 PM (AsuAQ)

244 210 my tablet fked that up.

Someone give Golfman a cigar

Posted by: Skip at May 10, 2021 04:24 PM (Cxk7w)

245 And another treatment you won't hear about: nebulized hydrogen peroxide. It's effective enough that they silenced Dr Mercola for talking about it.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at May 10, 2021 04:24 PM (YynYJ)

246 Big media is the schwerpunkt.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 10, 2021 04:25 PM (u82oZ)

247 a scientist in our very own cdc had the vaccine ready to go within a few weeks of China sequencing the virus.
mRNA or the add a spike to an adenovirus one?

Posted by: 18-1 at May 10, 2021 04:25 PM (DpkTQ)

248 >>> Me? I stare a goats and can walk through walls.
Posted by: Archer at May 10, 2021 04:19 PM (gmo/4)

I saw that movie. Not the greatest. But what I expected.

Posted by: banana Dream at May 10, 2021 04:25 PM (RS2U1)

249 Since everything is upside down, I expect Joe Biden to apologize for the US inhaling their designer bug and trying to kill it.

Probably some knee pads involved.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 10, 2021 04:25 PM (4fSQf)

250 And another treatment you won't hear about: nebulized hydrogen peroxide. It's effective enough that they silenced Dr Mercola for talking about it.

**

You know, that sounds almost like some sort of disinfectant. Almost like something Trump said.

I can see why it's bad, telling people to drink bleach and what-not.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Important article about what's coming at May 10, 2021 04:25 PM (Kt1w/)

251 Go to RevolverNews and see that Doctora-Faux-chi circled his funding to Eco-Alliance ...
https://www.revolver.news/

Posted by: DefendUSA at May 10, 2021 04:26 PM (6U3DW)

252 I think Hong Kong was the target in order to squash the protests and gain more control .

Posted by: Can't help myself at May 10, 2021 04:26 PM (2DOZq)

253 While ruling class and the media deny... That is all the proof I need to know that covid was cooked up in a Wuhan lab.

Someone here put it best last week: it's never confirmed until you get the official denial.

Posted by: t-bird at May 10, 2021 04:26 PM (WLHrn)

254
obama was elected in 2008 to "fix" "Bush's mess."

Who do you think created that "mess" a year before the election?

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at May 10, 2021 04:26 PM (8NLnQ)

255 Since everything is upside down, I expect Joe Biden to apologize for the US inhaling their designer bug and trying to kill it.

Probably some knee pads involved.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 10, 2021 04:25 PM (4fSQf)

Usually.

Posted by: Kamamamamalllla at May 10, 2021 04:26 PM (5fSMX)

256 Oh, and if this is true, the current administration does not ever want to know about it. No way they want to be forced to hold China accountable.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 10, 2021 04:26 PM (4fSQf)

257 What is the opposite of pbsss, pbsss, pbsss?

Posted by: DaveA at May 10, 2021 04:26 PM (FhXTo)

258 Posted by: 18-1 at May 10, 2021 04:25 PM (DpkTQ)

mRNA. They adapted a vaccine they were working on for something else apparently.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at May 10, 2021 04:27 PM (UPoLF)

259 It's pretty clear that the culpability for the virus is spread around.At this point, most of the major scientific players of the pandemic are involved and they don't want the source of the virus to be revealed (because they were all part of it)
Posted by: SMOD at May 10, 2021 04:23 PM (RHGPo)

Bingo.

Posted by: Nova local at May 10, 2021 04:28 PM (b1h2x)

260 I can see why it's bad, telling people to drink bleach and what-not.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Important article about what's coming

Don't Drink the Whatnot was a Doris Day movie.

Posted by: JT at May 10, 2021 04:28 PM (arJlL)

261 And India stopped using ivermectin when the vaccines came out:

https://bit.ly/3y4XCxo

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at May 10, 2021 04:29 PM (YynYJ)

262 has anyone suggested the nuclear option for china, yet?

Posted by: BifBewalski - at May 10, 2021 04:29 PM (VcFUs)

263
I think Hong Kong was the target in order to squash the protests and gain more control .
Posted by: Can't help myself

Wouldn't that be too close to home?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 10, 2021 04:29 PM (63Dwl)

264 Bernie slamming the Dems' attempt to restore the SALT deduction Trump eliminated. He's right that they want to give tax dedux to the rich.

Posted by: SFGoth at May 10, 2021 04:29 PM (KAi1n)

265 Sadly, Dr. Shi Zhengli, The Bat Lady, cannot comment, as the Murderously Lunatic ChiCom government of The Middle Kingdom reduced her to her component atoms in May of 2020*.

*rumored

Posted by: Sharkman at May 10, 2021 04:30 PM (AsuAQ)

266 has anyone suggested the nuclear option for china, yet?

It's a great anti-viral. Can't be too careful!

Posted by: t-bird at May 10, 2021 04:30 PM (WLHrn)

267 264 Bernie slamming the Dems' attempt to restore the SALT deduction Trump eliminated. He's right that they want to give tax dedux to the rich.
Posted by: SFGoth at May 10, 2021 04:29 PM (KAi1n)

=========

He'll be the only Democrat in the Senate to vote against whatever measure comes up with it, and at least 10 Republicans will vote in favor.

Because Congress is stupid.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at May 10, 2021 04:30 PM (LvTSG)

268 257 What is the opposite of pbsss, pbsss, pbsss?
Posted by: DaveA at May 10, 2021 04:26 PM (FhXTo)
Reminds me of a meme for how different nations call a cat.

U.S. & pretty much every one else- psss, psss, pss or kitty, kitty, kitty
Scotts - come 'ere ya wee cunt

Posted by: BifBewalski - at May 10, 2021 04:30 PM (VcFUs)

269 Geez Ace, are you still talking about that completely 'DEBUNKED!', right wing 'DISINFORMATION' that's been 'TOTALLY DISCREDITED BY EXPERTS'?
Did I miss any other cliches?
Everyone should read the complete article. It's very compelling.
And it proves that Trump was right. Again.

Posted by: Forheremenaremen at May 10, 2021 04:31 PM (GMR0L)

270 has anyone suggested the nuclear option for china, yet?

*raises paw* I did, around this time last year when I heard the China Virus came from one of their bioweapons labs. Beijing should be a glass crater right about now, in a normal world. You know, like we used to live in.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Psychos Rule! No, really. They're in charge now. at May 10, 2021 04:31 PM (HaL55)

271 SARS pretty much died out on its own and in a relatively short time. So why would they then want to develop MORE coronaviruses in order to develop vaccines for them?

Posted by: itsacookbook at May 10, 2021 04:32 PM (yPxXc)

272 Nobody going to do anything about it any way. The politicians aren't. We the people aren't. Next story please.......

Posted by: JROD at May 10, 2021 04:32 PM (0jZnq)

273 LMAO

@kwamurai

millennial women love george floyd because they identify with getting choked out and pissing themselves

Posted by: The Fiddler at May 10, 2021 04:32 PM (dJHdQ)

274 186 Biden says people able to work must take jobs or lose unemployment

Posted by: SMOD at May 10, 2021 04:15 PM (RHGPo)

How can this be enforced? This simply PR crap from Team Biden intended to make it appear he does not like people gaming his system.

Posted by: Gref at May 10, 2021 04:32 PM (AMIL/)

275 Next admin: all new fbidoj hires must be located in/from deep red Kansas. Their only job is to prosecute DC residents.

Start building a parallel law enforcement agency [with hookers and blackjack].

Posted by: Two Weeks at May 10, 2021 04:33 PM (ELnqd)

276 Was Coronavirus Cooked Up in a Wuhan Lab?

Can a guy get a little privacy while he's shitting in the woods?!

Posted by: The Bear at May 10, 2021 04:33 PM (UMXod)

277
Given the lying, criminal, treasonous way that this problem was created, I feel no obligation nor desire whatsoever to take a vaccine.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at May 10, 2021 04:33 PM (vjpTb)

278 We do not allow firefighters to set fire to cities -- even if it helps them get better at putting fires out.

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BREAKING: Thanks to an idea from some third-tier blogger, Beijing Biden signs Executive Order mandating that all fire departments nationwide be staffed immediately and exclusively with members of BLM and Pantyfa. Developing ...

Posted by: ShainS at May 10, 2021 04:33 PM (0BW5E)

279 Sundowner has yet to make a decision China wouldn't.

Posted by: Skip at May 10, 2021 04:33 PM (Cxk7w)

280 It was a biological weapon, unleashed on the world (and the US in particular) in an act of war, in order to get rid of President Donald Trump.

Not only did it work, they have suffered no consequences for it at all.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at May 10, 2021 04:34 PM (OU+8W)

281 280 It was a biological weapon, unleashed on the world (and the US in particular) in an act of war, in order to get rid of President Donald Trump.

Not only did it work, they have suffered no consequences for it at all.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at May 10, 2021 04:34 PM (OU+8W)

=========

It didn't work.

Hence the cheating.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at May 10, 2021 04:34 PM (LvTSG)

282 If you have been on youtube and are at all interested in gaming, you have probably seen the 'Epic NPC Man' guys' videos. May or may not be your cup of tea, but they decided to do something different for this one: an almost 40 minute epic adventure with very good camera, scenery, acting, etc.

https://tinyurl.com/3ebb3m94

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 10, 2021 04:34 PM (lmikk)

283 My parents are calling the vaccine the Kill Shot.

Any guesses on whether they plan to get it or not?

Posted by: The Maskless Ranger at May 10, 2021 04:35 PM (wwook)

284 Xi is a Hatfield and everyone else is a McCoy.

His virus could wipe out the world and leave 10,000 of his countrymen alive and he would be happy.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 10, 2021 04:35 PM (oS5s6)

285 277
Given the lying, criminal, treasonous way that this problem was created, I feel no obligation nor desire whatsoever to take a vaccine.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at May 10, 2021 04:33 PM (vjpTb)

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"FROM MY DEAD, COLD SHOULDERS!"

Posted by: ShainS at May 10, 2021 04:35 PM (0BW5E)

286 At this point the media is in the running for having more blood on their hands than Stalin.

Posted by: The Maskless Ranger at May 10, 2021 04:36 PM (wwook)

287 *Flashes once*

Posted by: Robinette Pike Captain of the USS Incontinence at May 10, 2021 04:36 PM (BRpqW)

288 "Then would come the National Institutes of Health."
I read that as "National Institutes of Death."

Posted by: creeper at May 10, 2021 04:36 PM (XxJt1)

289 PS Totes digging my new hash.

Posted by: The Maskless Ranger at May 10, 2021 04:37 PM (wwook)

290
Bad Fake News that makes no difference in your lives, everyone!

NBC Cancels next year's Golden Globe award show.
Not diverse enough!

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at May 10, 2021 04:37 PM (8NLnQ)

291 Steve Bannon has had Dr. Yan, a chinese researcher who has defected, lay out the whole lab-pandemic-vaccine route. The Govt knows exactly where it's from, how it spread (on purpose or accident) and were basically ready to role with the vaccines. The media has buried all of it for over a year. It is now coming out. Amazing how long these bombshells have to marinate before it comes to the surface.

Posted by: Stellastwocents at May 10, 2021 04:37 PM (cRbt7)

292 [my bona fides: PhD hospital worker, deeply involved in pandemic response]

I don't think the rapid development of the first vaccines had anything to do with whether the pandemic followed from a lab leak or from natural transmission from animals to humans (though I think it was a lab leak).

The reason we got the vaccines so fast was the way mRNA vaccines work. Instead of using gene-splicing or other techniques to get a harmless virus to express the spike protein so our immune systems can learn to recognize it, mRNA vaccines harness our cells' natural production apparatus to do the job.

So all the vaccine developers needed to do was to sequence the DNA of the spike protein, manufacture the corresponding mRNA, and plug it into the vaccine platform which was already at an intermediate stage of development (early tests of vaccines for conditions like flu and rabies).

Compared to when I was in grad school 30-40 years ago when sequencing the human genome was a really big deal this stuff is really easy now. The challenge was getting the mRNA into cells (that's the new technology). Almost all the rest of the development time was spent testing safety and effectiveness.

Posted by: Otto Zilch at May 10, 2021 04:37 PM (U2esv)

293 287 *Flashes once*
Posted by: Robinette Pike Captain of the USS Incontinence at May 10, 2021 04:36 PM (BRpqW)

*explosions going off in the background, bridge in flames*

Sorry sir! But was it one light for yes or one for no?!

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 10, 2021 04:38 PM (lmikk)

294 Given the lying, criminal, treasonous way that this problem was created, I feel no obligation nor desire whatsoever to take a vaccine.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at May 10, 2021 04:33 PM (vjpTb)

Being angry at the con artist for tricking you and robbing you blind doesn't mean you skip filing the police report and trying to sue his a$$ to be made partially whole.

You get mad, but you don't cut your nose off to spite your face.

Posted by: Nova local at May 10, 2021 04:38 PM (b1h2x)

295 The evil EX-President Trump funded this action to hurt the American people especially minorities to win re election. Our hero and dear leader President Biden has personally directed these pharmaceutical companies to develop these vaccines which in-turn saved millions of children worldwide. once again president Biden has cleaned up another Trump mess.

President Biden must also deal with the mess Trump created in the Persian Gulf. He will tell Iran to back off and they will knowing he will strike them down with new weapons developed during his time as POTUs. Thank You and no questions at this time. Administration.

Posted by: Peking Psaki at May 10, 2021 04:38 PM (OBw54)

296 286 well into Gulag Archipelago, not by a longshot

Posted by: Skip at May 10, 2021 04:38 PM (Cxk7w)

297 Make no mistake, the vessel, the Chinese delivery system has worked to perfection. While we focus on the current payload, a mostly benign variant of a weaponized flu, there are more catastrophic strains in the works.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 10, 2021 04:39 PM (2goRJ)

298 You don't have a RIGHT to know the truth!

We the Government ARE the People!

Posted by: US Government at May 10, 2021 04:39 PM (oHd/0)

299 Sorry sir! But was it one light for yes or one for no?!

*Flashes once*

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Psychos Rule! No, really. They're in charge now. at May 10, 2021 04:39 PM (HaL55)

300 think Hong Kong was the target in order to squash the protests and gain more control .
Posted by: Can't help myself

Wouldn't that be too close to home?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 10, 2021 04:29 PM (63Dwl)

It worked so I guess I'd have to say no.

Posted by: Can't help myself at May 10, 2021 04:40 PM (2DOZq)

301 292 Compared to when I was in grad school 30-40 years ago when sequencing the human genome was a really big deal this stuff is really easy now. The challenge was getting the mRNA into cells (that's the new technology). Almost all the rest of the development time was spent testing safety and effectiveness.
Posted by: Otto Zilch at May 10, 2021 04:37 PM (U2esv)

==========

I remember reading a few months ago that the vaccine was developed in 2 days. Everything else was trials.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at May 10, 2021 04:40 PM (LvTSG)

302 So we bought and paid for the mechanism the left used to destroy our economy and society.

Sweet.

Posted by: creeper at May 10, 2021 04:40 PM (XxJt1)

303 293 287 *Flashes once*
Posted by: Robinette Pike Captain of the USS Incontinence at May 10, 2021 04:36 PM (BRpqW)

*explosions going off in the background, bridge in flames*

Sorry sir! But was it one light for yes or one for no?!
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 10, 2021 04:38 PM (lmikk)

One if by land, two if by sea?

Posted by: BifBewalski - at May 10, 2021 04:40 PM (VcFUs)

304 Start building a parallel law enforcement agency [with hookers and blackjack].

Posted by: Two Weeks at May 10, 2021 04:33 PM (ELnqd)

Shhh. It exists. US Marshals Service.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at May 10, 2021 04:41 PM (BMmaB)

305 i would not be surprised that some low level flunky was told to destroy some infected animals, and instead took them to the market to make a couple of yuan... when you're feeding 1.5 billion or so people, *everything* is food.

Posted by: redc1c4 *OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated & we all know it. at May 10, 2021 04:42 PM (Dagiw)

306 It worked so I guess I'd have to say no.
Posted by: Can't help myself at May 10, 2021 04:40 PM (2DOZq)

Their society took to red/yellow/green cards with this pandemic and never gave them up. They still use them. Hong Kong protests would never stand a chance when the government knows where everyone is at all times...

Posted by: Nova local at May 10, 2021 04:42 PM (b1h2x)

307
Who was the Rooski who said they'd sell us the rope we Americans would hang ourselves with?

Kruschev?

He was right, except it wasn't him and the Soviets we bought the rope from. It was china.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at May 10, 2021 04:42 PM (8NLnQ)

308 > Beijing should be a glass crater right about now, in a normal world. You know, like we used to live in.

This is stupid. Have you heard of MAD? The US would also be a glass crater if we tried that.

Posted by: bonhomme at May 10, 2021 04:42 PM (YYlyE)

309 304 Start building a parallel law enforcement agency [with hookers and blackjack].

Posted by: Two Weeks at May 10, 2021 04:33 PM (ELnqd)

Shhh. It exists. US Marshals Service.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at May 10, 2021 04:41 PM (BMmaB)

Since nothing closely approximating any type of acceptable justice to wrong doers has happened....I'm putting these duplicitous cocksuckers in the bucket with Fart Barf & Itch.

Posted by: BifBewalski - at May 10, 2021 04:42 PM (VcFUs)

310 I can't recommend the Nick Wade article enough. Take the 45 minutes to read it.

Posted by: Big Star at May 10, 2021 04:43 PM (pvJV4)

311 I, some unlearned schlub in the Midwest have been saying this since January of last year.

I am just glad that the virus that escaped was still in the process of being weaponized and not the final product.

The fact that WE, with our NIH were financing this dangerous research sickens me.

Posted by: rd at May 10, 2021 04:43 PM (Z32m1)

312 280 It was a biological weapon, unleashed on the world (and the US in particular) in an act of war, in order to get rid of President Donald Trump.

Not only did it work, they have suffered no consequences for it at all.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at May 10, 2021 04:34 PM (OU+8W)

Was it a bio weapon? Good chance. But you don't release a bio weapon on your own populace FIRST.

I think it was being engineered, but escaped.

And we will never know the truth, because Yes, the US Government was illegally financing the research.

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 10, 2021 04:43 PM (oHd/0)

313 Start building a parallel law enforcement agency [with hookers and blackjack].
Posted by: Two Weeks at May 10, 2021 04:33 PM (ELnqd)

There should be a Federal Inquisition thats only job is to investigate government corruption.

The Inquisition should get to keep 1% of all misspent funds reclaimed, to award as an equal quarterly bonus to employees. (so that the management doesn't get to award itself the entire bonus).

Pay them mediocre wages with the chance to get rich by nailing fatcats of corruption, with an additional 1k-10k per head (depending on rank & scale of those captured) awarded to the specific agents or teams that bring down the kleptocrats.

How long do you think the corruptocrats will last when people's bonuses hang on their capture?

Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est, Post-Apocalyptic Scourge of the Seas at May 10, 2021 04:43 PM (tDqVX)

314
Being angry at the con artist for tricking you and robbing you blind doesn't mean you skip filing the police report and trying to sue his a$$ to be made partially whole.

You get mad, but you don't cut your nose off to spite your face.
Posted by: Nova local at May 10, 2021 04:38 PM (b1h2x)

----

My point is that given the origin of the problem, I don't trust the preferred solution: vaccines.

The suppression of cheap and effective drug treatments by the same people increases my distrust.

The preferred solution does not appear to have been chosen on a scientific basis, but on the basis of profit, and leverage for political objectives

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at May 10, 2021 04:44 PM (vjpTb)

315 The fact that WE, with our NIH were financing this dangerous research sickens me.
Posted by: rd at May 10, 2021 04:43 PM (Z32m1)

And yet, not a single call for a Congressional investigation of this.

Not even from Repubs.

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 10, 2021 04:44 PM (oHd/0)

316 Nicholas Wade is a highly respected science writer. If you have never read him, his books include Before the Dawn, A Troublesome Inheritance, and The Faith Instinct. All are excellent.

Posted by: Billy Hollis at May 10, 2021 04:44 PM (sNJx5)

317 > i would not be surprised that some low level flunky was told to destroy some infected animals, and instead took them to the market to make a couple of yuan... when you're feeding 1.5 billion or so people, *everything* is food.

Yuuuuup. I could totally see that. Some enterprising douchebag decides to sell animals that are supposed to be destroyed.

Posted by: bonhomme at May 10, 2021 04:45 PM (YYlyE)

318 Was it a bio weapon? Good chance. But you don't release a bio weapon on your own populace FIRST.

**********************

You can if you want to use it as a pretext to exert even more control over the population.

Posted by: The Maskless Ranger at May 10, 2021 04:45 PM (wwook)

319 315 The fact that WE, with our NIH were financing this dangerous research sickens me.

Posted by: rd at May 10, 2021 04:43 PM (Z32m1)

And yet, not a single call for a Congressional investigation of this.

Not even from Repubs.

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 10, 2021 04:44 PM (oHd/0)
And our universities! Univ. North Carolina university system being one of them.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 10, 2021 04:45 PM (N39Ws)

320 This is stupid. Have you heard of MAD? The US would also be a glass crater if we tried that.

*kicks dirt* Well, crap.
Oh wait! How about we nuke a few of the ChiCom navy ships? Huh? Huh? Can we? Can we? I just wanna nuke something that belongs to our sworn enemy. Anything.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Psychos Rule! No, really. They're in charge now. at May 10, 2021 04:45 PM (HaL55)

321 Shhh. It exists. US Marshals Service.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at May 10, 2021 04:41 PM (BMmaB)

Since nothing closely approximating any type of acceptable justice
to wrong doers has happened....I'm putting these duplicitous cocksuckers
in the bucket with Fart Barf Itch.

Posted by: BifBewalski - at May 10, 2021 04:42 PM (VcFUs)

Currently their jurisdiction relative to the other guys is very limited. That can easily be changed. ICE is another agency that can have its mission expanded, and conveniently isn't in the DOJ. ATF and SS could too, but we don't want them enforcing anything.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at May 10, 2021 04:45 PM (BMmaB)

322 This is stupid. Have you heard of MAD? The US would also be a glass crater if we tried that.
Posted by: bonhomme at May 10, 2021 04:42 PM (YYlyE)

We have THAAD and GMD. They do not.

Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est, Post-Apocalyptic Scourge of the Seas at May 10, 2021 04:45 PM (tDqVX)

323 Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est, Post-Apocalyptic Scourge of the Seas at May 10, 2021 04:43 PM (tDqVX)

I would suggest a Department of Justice.

One person, and one only, who can Investigate and Judge those who, while being legal, bring injustice to the land.

And the only Penalty? Death.

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 10, 2021 04:46 PM (oHd/0)

324 Was it a bio weapon? Good chance. But you don't release a bio weapon on your own populace FIRST.

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 10, 2021 04:43 PM (oHd/0)

Why wouldn't you? You think the CCP gives two shits about their people?

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 10, 2021 04:46 PM (N39Ws)

325 Uh oh. More supremacist thinking. Tsk tsk.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at May 10, 2021 04:46 PM (0oLI1)

326 This is stupid. Have you heard of MAD? The US would also be a glass crater if we tried that.

CCP nukes can only hit the west coast of the US - I'm OK with that.

Posted by: Archer at May 10, 2021 04:47 PM (gmo/4)

327 309 304 Start building a parallel law enforcement agency [with hookers and blackjack].

Posted by: Two Weeks at May 10, 2021 04:33 PM (ELnqd)

Shhh. It exists. US Marshals Service.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at May 10, 2021 04:41 PM (BMmaB)

Since nothing closely approximating any type of acceptable justice to wrong doers has happened....I'm putting these duplicitous cocksuckers in the bucket with Fart Barf & Itch.
Posted by: BifBewalski - at May 10, 2021 04:42 PM (VcFUs)

***************************
Retask the FBI to a new mission. Finding the 5,000 Native American, Eskimo, and Indigenous Women and Children that disapppear every year. Then freeze FBI recruiting and let the agency die out over twenty years.

Posted by: rd at May 10, 2021 04:47 PM (Z32m1)

328 Was it a bio weapon? Good chance. But you don't release a bio weapon on your own populace FIRST.

I think it was being engineered, but escaped.

That's my guess as well. They were modifying some bat flu, some careless douchebaggery happened, WuBatFlu escapes, they know something escaped, but not what, so they crack down HARD, then it's all deny deny deny.

Posted by: bonhomme at May 10, 2021 04:47 PM (YYlyE)

329 318 Was it a bio weapon? Good chance. But you don't release a bio weapon on your own populace FIRST.

**********************

You can if you want to use it as a pretext to exert even more control over the population.
Posted by: The Maskless Ranger at May 10, 2021 04:45 PM (wwook)

Interesting question. Did any of the Top people in the ChiCom Government ever die of the Covids? ie, did they already HAVE a vaccine?

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 10, 2021 04:47 PM (oHd/0)

330 This is stupid. Have you heard of MAD? The US would also be a glass crater if we tried that.

CCP nukes can only hit the west coast of the US - I'm OK with that.

The Burning Man festival is going to be lit.

Posted by: Archer at May 10, 2021 04:48 PM (gmo/4)

331 > CCP nukes can only hit the west coast of the US - I'm OK with that.

How do we know that? Analysis done by the children of the analysists who told us the USSR's economy was strong and who told us Iran isn't anywhere near developing a nuke?

Posted by: bonhomme at May 10, 2021 04:48 PM (YYlyE)

332 324 Was it a bio weapon? Good chance. But you don't release a bio weapon on your own populace FIRST.

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 10, 2021 04:43 PM (oHd/0)

Why wouldn't you? You think the CCP gives two shits about their people?
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 10, 2021 04:46 PM (N39Ws)

Unless they already had a vaccine for the Upper echelon of Government, and their families? Don't see them letting a plague loose.

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 10, 2021 04:49 PM (oHd/0)

333 One person, and one only, who can Investigate and Judge those who, while being legal, bring injustice to the land.

And the only Penalty? Death.

Posted by: Romeo13

Judge Sharkman?

I'm in.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 10, 2021 04:49 PM (AsuAQ)

334 It is entirely possible China released it on purpose. They do not value human life, at all. It is not out of the realm of possibilities they released it prior to Christmas and during the Chinese New Year sending their infected countrymen back to their jobs in Italy, US and Europe to be spreaders. Remember they locked down WuHan but still allowed plane loads of people to return to their out of country homes and jobs. When you have a billion people in your country, what's a few hundred thousand?
They are evil and have told us they are going to take over the world in less than 10 years.

Posted by: Stellastwocents at May 10, 2021 04:49 PM (cRbt7)

335
Gee, thoughts like "treasonous actions" and "act of war" seem to be percolating to the surface.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 10, 2021 04:49 PM (Jcrm4)

336
I could totally see that. Some enterprising douchebag decides to sell animals that are supposed to be destroyed.
Posted by: bonhomme at May 10, 2021 04:45 PM (YYlyE)

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I read about a year ago that this was a known issue with animal research in China.

You don't want high-risk research infectious disease being performed in China as it exists today.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at May 10, 2021 04:49 PM (vjpTb)

337 Archer: I think my family would still refuse to move away from SoCal. :-)

At least I'd have an excuse...

Posted by: qdpsteve at May 10, 2021 04:50 PM (L2ZTs)

338
We have THAAD and GMD. They do not.
Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est, Post-Apocalyptic Scourge of the Seas at May 10, 2021 04:45 PM (tDqVX)

I'm all for nuking those asshoe, but I worked the engagement performance for both of those systems...I'd have better odds if I walked up to an ATM and brayed like a jackass to get a cash withdrawal. There's a reason I live on the lee side of a ridge of granite from ballistic weapons fired from Asia towards CONUS.

Posted by: BifBewalski - at May 10, 2021 04:51 PM (VcFUs)

339 Yuuuuup. I could totally see that. Some enterprising douchebag decides to sell animals that are supposed to be destroyed.

Posted by: bonhomme

Which reminds me of this hilarious video about the Chinese going into space to look for food:

https://tinyurl.com/SARS-Covid-Wars-Rogue-Wuhan

Posted by: Sharkman at May 10, 2021 04:51 PM (AsuAQ)

340 How do we know SARS1 made a natural jump from bat to human?

Because the same people who told us that are the same people telling us SARS2 jumped naturally from bat to human?

Posted by: davidt at May 10, 2021 04:52 PM (pnSY9)

341 > We have THAAD and GMD. They do not.

I'm sure THAAD and GMD are great, but between Clinton, Obama, Valerie Jarret, Biden, Chinese PhDs in our Universities, and good old fashioned spying, our enemies probably know more about those programs than the people who were in those programs.

Posted by: bonhomme at May 10, 2021 04:52 PM (YYlyE)

342 I think most of us figured out this was a manmade virus to crush America, and we're Morons for crying out loud!

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at May 10, 2021 04:52 PM (XSRBF)

343 China can't follow space flight protocols. You think they follow lab protocols any better?

Posted by: Can't help myself at May 10, 2021 04:52 PM (2DOZq)

344 CCP nukes can only hit the west coast of the US - I'm OK with that.
Posted by: Archer at May 10, 2021 04:47 PM (gmo/4)

****************************

That was mostly true thirty years ago. Now they can hit anyplace on Earth. Thanks to Bill Clinton and his buddies, they can do it with MIRVS.

Just like North Korea and their Thermonuclear Weapons will have the same capabilities in another five to ten years.

And Iran will have the same in about the same timeframe unless Israel and the Gulf States take action.

Posted by: rd at May 10, 2021 04:52 PM (Z32m1)

345 341 > We have THAAD and GMD. They do not.

I'm sure THAAD and GMD are great, but between Clinton, Obama, Valerie Jarret, Biden, Chinese PhDs in our Universities, and good old fashioned spying, our enemies probably know more about those programs than the people who were in those programs.
Posted by: bonhomme at May 10, 2021 04:52 PM (YYlyE)

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Plenty of THOTs, too.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at May 10, 2021 04:52 PM (LvTSG)

346 One person, and one only, who can Investigate and Judge those who, while being legal, bring injustice to the land.

And the only Penalty? Death.

By BUNGA - BUNGA !

Posted by: JT at May 10, 2021 04:52 PM (arJlL)

347 Hiya Wyatt !

Posted by: JT at May 10, 2021 04:53 PM (arJlL)

348 Hey we drank milk in the late 1950's and early 1960's produced by cows on dairy farms in the Midwest who ate grass irradiated by fallout from above ground testing in the Nevada desert.

Posted by: Archer at May 10, 2021 04:54 PM (gmo/4)

349 331 > CCP nukes can only hit the west coast of the US - I'm OK with that.

How do we know that? Analysis done by the children of the analysists who told us the USSR's economy was strong and who told us Iran isn't anywhere near developing a nuke?
Posted by: bonhomme at May 10, 2021 04:48 PM (YYlyE)

Think about it...if the chinese can orbit a satellite, which they can, then the natural, and easy next step is a re-entry vehicle. anywhere. anytime. This recent BS was a test of how well they could get global terror over a spent fucking booster tank. I pay my mortgage with this kind of analysis.

Posted by: BifBewalski - at May 10, 2021 04:54 PM (VcFUs)

350 Was it cooked up in a lab?

Yes.

That is why we had the world wide kung flu freak out lockdown. All the world's Intel services knew it was a bio weapon that got out.

But like all Chinese made shit, it was shit. And like all despots, the world"s pols like to despot. So here we still are today.

Posted by: Rose Mary Jane at May 10, 2021 04:54 PM (oEC+c)

351 Fauci & Co. were building a dangerous Gain-of-Function Super-Bug. It was so dangerous and illegal that Obama made them hide it offshore in Wuhan.

The fucking Mad Scientist who built this Bug has been in charge of our response to his handiwork. If your loved one is dead, thank that son of a bitch and his Chinee partners.

They are War Criminals, the lot of them.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at May 10, 2021 04:55 PM (Ndje9)

352 Look up Dr. Li-Meng YAN @DrLiMengYAN1 on Twitter. She is a Chinese virologist (I think she's a virologist) who asserts with proof that COVID-19 was designed in the Wuhan lab and there is strong likelihood its release was intentional.

She's in exile. The CCP arrested and then executed her mother.

Posted by: troyriser at May 10, 2021 04:55 PM (pYLCQ)

353 Whether or not China took a few liberties with their engineered viruses (probably did) I would bet my last Yuan that once it started to take hold in China their reactions were along the lines of:
1. We musn't let this embarrass us. So no word until we get a handle on it.
2. When it broke out of its borders, even more afraid of it being traced to them.
3. Then deliberately withhold info on potential lethality of the virus/obfuscate in the hopes that the trail gets colder back to you.
Cynical f*cks.

Oh and wait for all the "Asian hate crime" crap to resurface when this gets traction. And this story will get traction. Bigly.

Posted by: Zek at May 10, 2021 04:55 PM (w/5KC)

354 Someone should ask Tom Friedman if he admires the efficiency with which the Chinese communists facilitated the death of millions and paid no price.

I mean he should backdate that praise for Mao as well now that we're on the subject.

Posted by: Smashing Blumpkins its whats for dinner at May 10, 2021 04:56 PM (BRpqW)

355 And yes, my pee glows in the dark. Why do you ask?

Posted by: Archer at May 10, 2021 04:56 PM (gmo/4)

356
That was mostly true thirty years ago. Now they can hit anyplace on Earth. Thanks to Bill Clinton and his buddies, they can do it with MIRVS.

Madeleine Albright and nuclear equality.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 10, 2021 04:56 PM (63Dwl)

357 @315 Romeo13-It will be liberating in a f'ed up way when we collectively accept the Republican Party is just a wing of the left and move on. "The republicans are shit! They're not going to do a thing, in fact they work against us!"......(not aiming this at you)thanks for the scoop, tell us something we don't know.

So tired of the bellyaching about a limp-dick party. I wish we'd move on to something more productive like protesting against this shit on politicians and ceo's doorsteps and in the streets. Make a large presence of our dissatisfaction known/seen.

Posted by: JROD at May 10, 2021 04:57 PM (0jZnq)

358 355 And yes, my pee glows in the dark. Why do you ask?
Posted by: Archer at May 10, 2021 04:56 PM (gmo/4)

Hey! Diogenes! Evidently Archer is one of us!

Posted by: BifBewalski - at May 10, 2021 04:57 PM (VcFUs)

359 Fauxi "worked with Trump in 2017"to overturn the existing ban against this sort of research?

No words to express my contempt for both of them.

Posted by: creeper at May 10, 2021 04:57 PM (XxJt1)

360 "Madeleine Albright and nuclear equality."
That's nuclear equity, round eye.

Posted by: Zek at May 10, 2021 04:57 PM (w/5KC)

361 But it looks so big in their hands

Posted by: Bill Gates at May 10, 2021 04:57 PM (npGNJ)

362 News story out there that here in California, Newsom's gonna defeat the recall by just bribing us low-income state residents. He wants *yet another* $600 stim payment sent to "2 out of every 3" people.

Posted by: qdpsteve at May 10, 2021 04:57 PM (L2ZTs)

363 I wish I could find that guest column Ace wrote in Thomas Friedman's voice, where he gets dismembered by a mob while on a trip overseas. That was fun.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 10, 2021 04:58 PM (AsuAQ)

364 nood
http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=393766

Posted by: BifBewalski - at May 10, 2021 04:59 PM (VcFUs)

365 NK Fatass seemed to know about it in advance with his "America is about to get a Christmas present" statement.

Posted by: Jimco Industries at May 10, 2021 04:59 PM (buTO7)

366 Any country that can put a Satellite into Low Earth Orbit can put a warhead onto almost any spot on earth.

Whether they have Nuclear Weapons, and re-entry vehicles capable of surviving re-entry is another question. But all this is technology that is well known.

North Korea, Iran, Israel, India, and a bunch of other countries have put satellites into orbit.

Posted by: rd at May 10, 2021 04:59 PM (Z32m1)

367 Also, what the fuck is this shithole country doing? We pay a bunch of foreigners to go play with viruses and then when we demand information - say, records - about the research that we paid for in a policy of abject stupidity, the lab we funded refuses and "seals" the records? And we're not blockading China in response to this, why?

Yes, we all know. I'm just frustrated by this shit.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

Actually, there are a lot of published papers by Doctor Shi out there, from 2014 on. And you can trace the progress of their research.

This is really not that hard to figure out. Of course it came out of a lab. There were people discussing this a year ago, saying it would be a tremendous freak of viral evolution for this to jump species from bats to people.
This is no mystery. The Media and government (our government) is working together to supress the truth.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....Outlaw in America at May 10, 2021 05:00 PM (vcOmj)

368 the nood is centered too!

http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=393766

Posted by: BifBewalski - at May 10, 2021 05:00 PM (VcFUs)

369 Oh and wait for all the "Asian hate crime" crap to resurface when this gets traction. And this story will get traction. Bigly.
Posted by: Zek at May 10, 2021 04:55 PM (w/5KC)

One has to wonder if the focus on anti-Asian hate crimes was an attempt to get out ahead of this story, for narrative manipulation.

Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est, Post-Apocalyptic Scourge of the Seas at May 10, 2021 05:00 PM (tDqVX)

370 Of course China released it as a weapon. Here's Biden just before it hit:

Oct 25, 2019: "We are not prepared for a pandemic. Trump has rolled back progress President Obama and I made to strengthen global health security. We need leadership that builds public trust, focuses on real threats, and mobilizes the world to stop outbreaks before they reach our shores."

You think that retard guessed and got lucky.

They told him it was coming.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at May 10, 2021 05:01 PM (Ndje9)

371 Fauci & Co. were building a dangerous Gain-of-Function Super-Bug. It was so dangerous and illegal that Obama made them hide it offshore in Wuhan.

The fucking Mad Scientist who built this Bug has been in charge of our response to his handiwork. If your loved one is dead, thank that son of a bitch and his Chinee partners.

They are War Criminals, the lot of them.
Posted by: The Gipper Lives

Fauci and the rest of them have been lying from the beginning. He knew all about the "gain of function" research; HE WAS FUNDING IT!
He probably has some file cabinet somewhere that has all kinds of reports from the Wuhan lab on progress.

I would also hazard a guess that previous iterations of "gain in function" viruses "escaped" (clever viruses, no?), but had not quite reached the potential of jumping species to infect humans quite this effectively.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....Outlaw in America at May 10, 2021 05:03 PM (vcOmj)

372 Seriously, you guys, when I gave the plan to the DNC, I didn't think they were crazy enough to implement it! Those crazy people at Perkins Coie are really good managers to pull it off!!

Posted by: Bill Gates at May 10, 2021 05:03 PM (npGNJ)

373 Interesting question. Did any of the Top people in the ChiCom Government ever die of the Covids? ie, did they already HAVE a vaccine?
Posted by: Romeo13

That's a good question, and I think the answer is "yes".

Some sort of "vaccine" already existed in China. And China in particular wants nothing to do with an mRNA type vaccine.
I wonder...why?

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....Outlaw in America at May 10, 2021 05:05 PM (vcOmj)

374 213 I once spotted a Tiger in my Pajamas.
spotted? like, with a sharpie? not sure i would do that to a tiger.

Posted by: Comrade Anachronda, behind the Newsom curtain at May 10, 2021 05:06 PM (sGtp+)

375 Where are the FBI, CIA and NSA in all this?

Oh right, they're at NASCAR investigating a garage door pull that looked like a noose.

Posted by: Desultory joe at May 10, 2021 05:30 PM (L9P9s)

376 "We developed the vaccine pretty fast, eh?"

I don't find that suspicious, because mRNA technology was almost ready for prime time. It's not absurd to me that the moment, the scientists, the visionaries, and a president willing to gamble big came together.

But a similar thought I had over a year ago: I found it strange that a multinational team of biochemists, including published a crystal structure of the main protease of SARS-CoV-2 very early in the pandemic. It came out in Science on March 20, 2020. The paper was submitted on February 17.

Do you know how long it takes to get X-ray quality crystals of a protein? You might succeed on your first try, but more often you spend years trying. Some really ace protein crystallographers spend eight years getting their PhDs. It's not because they're dull or unmotivated. They can spend six of those years trying to grow crystals.

So maybe these guys got lucky very quickly. With luck like that they should play the lottery. They'd probably all have won by now.

Posted by: JPS at May 10, 2021 05:31 PM (k5ngh)

377 "With luck like that they should play the lottery. They'd probably all have won by now."

With luck like that, they should never waste a cent on lottery tickets because the luck's been spent.

I always thought the furin-cleavage site was the dead giveaway. Though it's coded for a sequence only 6 base pairs long, no other known coronavirus has it. Once the site is cleaved by furin or a furin-like enzyme, it triggers a conformational change in the spike protein which brings its envelope into contact with the host cell membrane for direct membrane-to-membrane fusion, bypassing clathrin-mediated endocytosis by tricking ACE2.

I mean, if I were in the business of quelling populist uprisings all over the globe, I couldn't think something better than an airborne zoonotic virus with whole-body tropism in humans.

You had your chance to lick the boot, kulaks. Now you're gonna suck it.

Posted by: Nyock at May 10, 2021 05:48 PM (Yuuyy)

378 Fauci still has the receipts!

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 10, 2021 05:59 PM (rdbLX)

379 Revolver News has a story with video by Steve Hilton. Follow the money. Faux-chi sent money to Eco_alliance and they sent it to Wuhan. Also, Gateway Pundit...

Posted by: DefendUSA at May 10, 2021 06:01 PM (5ej0U)

380 "Some sort of "vaccine" already existed in China. And China in particular wants nothing to do with an mRNA type vaccine."

At the moment, I'm very, very, very cautiously considering the Novavax vaccine when it's available. No mRNA or DNA that codes for it. Just solubilized bits of spike protein with an adjuvant.

Even so, I'll still probably hang back for a while and screen adverse reaction data.

Posted by: Nyock at May 10, 2021 06:02 PM (Yuuyy)

381 Note - the press intentional confuses the issue, or uses confusing language.

If you say a lab leak, they respond that it is just CRAZY to think China intentionally released the virus. No one ever said the word "intentionally" yet they keep putting it into their answer.

Posted by: Inspector Kemp at May 10, 2021 06:14 PM (EwPKb)

382 I say intentionally.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at May 10, 2021 06:37 PM (Ndje9)

383 Note to ACE - just a tip. About a year ago NPR did an amazing interview with Peter Dszak that has to be read in it's entirety to be believed. 1) the NPR person is so authoritative, and yet speaks like a junior high school student and 2) Listening to various scientists declare it is existentially impossible for the virus to have escaped the lab based on...nothing. just their say so.

Also the bat lady gave an interview to scientific American that is worth reading - her first impulse after the virus escaped was it came from the lab.

Posted by: Inspector Kemp at May 10, 2021 06:40 PM (EwPKb)

384 They also keep going on about how "you would never design a virus this way"

That is bullshit. The virus existed in nature, then was put through thousands of generations of artificial evolution in humanized lab mice. The virus was artificially forced to evolve. That is why it doesn't looked designed. That doesn't mean it wasn't artificially created.

Over and over again I see scientists, who should know better, choosing their words in such a way as to mislead people. They will say "the virus wasn't genetically engineered". People *think* that means it didn't come from the lab. They want people to *think* that.

Funny how the virus preferentially attacks old people. Usually it is just the opposite - the young contract a new virus, while the old have immunity.

You know who has a huge problem with too many old people? China.

Posted by: Inspector Kemp at May 10, 2021 06:49 PM (EwPKb)

385 Th Asian hate crime BS is designed to stop any discussion of the virus originating in China. Its kinda a hail Mary response. "You can't say that or some random Asian person will be killed!"

Posted by: Inspector Kemp at May 10, 2021 06:52 PM (EwPKb)

386 Hmm, how interesting...I remember an Indian Virology paper that was so quickly squelched by the Globalists and the WHO, pooh-poohed by the media and their apparatchiks as "fake" science that clearly stated the Covid virus was not of natural origin...

Who'd a-thunk it? They were right all along.

Posted by: sic vis pacem fac bellum at May 10, 2021 07:18 PM (Q48N7)

387 Fausci must be tried for High Treason based on this information, and if found guilty, must be hung by the neck.

But of course, he helped overthrow the United States, so of course he is a hero of the glorious socialist republic.

Posted by: Loki, looking to water the Tree of Liberty at May 10, 2021 07:43 PM (KqiMr)

388 Since there are now "UK" and "Brazilian" variants of Covid-19, we should call the original the "Chinese" variant.

Posted by: Dan at May 10, 2021 08:00 PM (+NG5U)

389 Once we get past the hurdle of "it came from a lab," maybe we can address the term "accidentally."

Posted by: MW at May 10, 2021 08:40 PM (KXr4W)

390 From a year ago by a guy who knows China...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpQFCcSI0pU

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