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Sunday Morning Book Thread: [05/09/2021 [All Hail Eris]
[Link]
It Pays To Increase Your Word Power® VAPULATION n.
Flogging. Widespread ignorance of this word makes its use ("By God, old boy, I believe you deserve a vapulation for that!"} quite safe, even when addressing a Professor of English Language and Literature.
(From "The Superior Person's Book of Words" by Peter Bowler, an essential volume in every Horde library)
Who Dis:
Cry Bullies: Protecting yourself against social muggers and victimhood aggression by Robert Juliano In These Uncertain Times, one must be on guard against the sniveling snools of Social Justice, who want to dismantle the culture via a kind of "soft brainwashing". One of the ways they do this is by manipulating the meanings of words to hijack discourse. "Language is one of our operating systems...When people try to change the meanings of words, they are trying to change the concepts in other people's operating systems." They are in effect attempting to change the way you are allowed to think and narrow your options for action. Because you can't compromise with these people, he doesn't provide negotiation tactics (that requires two people willing to meet in the middle). He outlines their game playing (dog whistles, virtue signaling, word fogging, incitement, etc.), does a brief breakdown of Alinsky tactics, then shows how to short-circuit their rules of engagement. It's a short but pithy read, and reasonably priced at $2.99.
Viking Nicknames
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So that's it for this week. What are you reading?
Comments
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First!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Iron Fist in Velvet Glove in Iron Gauntlet Clutching an Iron Mace at May 09, 2021 08:00 AM (Dc2NZ)
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Me no read this week. Not interested!
Posted by: rhennigantx at May 09, 2021 08:02 AM (yrol0)
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Late after getting sent on a wild goose chase that's a touch screen.
Tolle Lege
Tolle Lege
Posted by: Skip at May 09, 2021 08:02 AM (Cxk7w)
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Who Dis? Maila Nurmi aka Vampira!
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at May 09, 2021 08:02 AM (PiwSw)
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Good Morning!
Posted by: CN at May 09, 2021 08:02 AM (ONvIw)
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I am currently working on a reread of the Mitch Rapp series. Too bad we will not be getting any more of them. I am currently on book 13. RIP Vince Flynn.
Posted by: Vic at May 09, 2021 08:03 AM (mpXpK)
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You win a bottle of Valu-Rite Fireball, Shadout! It burns real good.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Iron Fist in Velvet Glove in Iron Gauntlet Clutching an Iron Mace at May 09, 2021 08:03 AM (Dc2NZ)
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Hola Eris! And all the bookish muchachos and muchacettes!
Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at May 09, 2021 08:03 AM (bAe71)
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Is that someone's house or a library?
Posted by: Vic at May 09, 2021 08:04 AM (mpXpK)
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I love those old pulp science fiction magazine covers. I use them to decorate my library.
Posted by: Lord Squirrel at May 09, 2021 08:04 AM (hQrcu)
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Good morning everyone. Loads of books on the 'to be read' pile. Sadly, not a one of them cracked this week.
Posted by: Tonypete at May 09, 2021 08:05 AM (Rvt88)
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Vic, it's the hotel library at the Hotel Emma in San Antonio. Click on the link. There's a nice industrial/steampunk vibe there.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Iron Fist in Velvet Glove in Iron Gauntlet Clutching an Iron Mace at May 09, 2021 08:06 AM (Dc2NZ)
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Could you unexpand the post like OM does so that those of us with ioS don't have to turn Javascript off to get to the comments?
Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at May 09, 2021 08:07 AM (y7DUB)
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Nice Reeding Room!
Those pants.....soon to be all the rage among the Hollyweird sodomites, scrotum coin and all.
The Who Dis is Nanny Pelosi reading up on how she can stay in Congress even longer.
Those pants.....soon to be all the rage among the Hollyweird sodomites, scrotum coin and all.
The Who Dis is Nanny Pelosi reading up on how she can stay in Congress even longer.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 09, 2021 08:08 AM (R/m4+)
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12 Vic, it's the hotel library at the Hotel Emma in San Antonio. Click on
the link. There's a nice industrial/steampunk vibe there.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Iron Fist in Velvet Glove in Iron Gauntlet Clutching an Iron Mace at May 09, 2021 08:06 AM (Dc2NZ)
OK, the link was underneath the pic.
the link. There's a nice industrial/steampunk vibe there.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Iron Fist in Velvet Glove in Iron Gauntlet Clutching an Iron Mace at May 09, 2021 08:06 AM (Dc2NZ)
OK, the link was underneath the pic.
Posted by: Vic at May 09, 2021 08:08 AM (mpXpK)
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Eris! Excellent!
Posted by: Sucky's at May 09, 2021 08:09 AM (Tnijr)
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Mornin', all! I wish that pic up top was my house. I have books everywhere, and too few comfy places to read them. Of course, I have comfy places, but one of the four mini humans that live here are always in them reading. I need a secret room.
I have Crybullies on order right now. I can't wait to be done with the schoolin' for summer so that I can read my own stuff!
I have Crybullies on order right now. I can't wait to be done with the schoolin' for summer so that I can read my own stuff!
Posted by: Catherine at May 09, 2021 08:09 AM (41zFX)
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the comic was funny and also not funny. Ten years ago, it would have only been funny.
Posted by: Quint at May 09, 2021 08:10 AM (aqif7)
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Finished 2 PKD novels this week: "The Crack in Space" and "Lies, Inc." Both were sort of "meh". PKD is one of those authors who really should stick to the short fiction. His novels are rarely as good as his short stories, even though they tend to be quite short on their own (200 pages or so). I'm also continuing to work my way through Clifford D. Simak's short story collections. Although he wrote primarily science fiction, he also dabbled in WWII and western short stories as well. He writes really good western stories. They feel very cinematic. Some of them should be made into movies or short films.
Posted by: Lord Squirrel at May 09, 2021 08:10 AM (hQrcu)
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We love the Hotel Emma, although neither of us could afford a stay there, unless it was A Very Special Occasion! It's part of the Pearl Brewery complex, and occupies part of the main building. There are all kinds of upscale shops, a weekly farmer's market, and landscaped grounds, on the upper reach of the Riverwalk. Also - right around the corner from Sam's Burgers, which has the most awesome hamburgers on the face of the earth.
Posted by: Sgt. Mom at May 09, 2021 08:10 AM (xnmPy)
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The Weird Monster Super-Science is settled.
Posted by: nken-Fauci, Director-for-Life, Wuhan Murder Hornet Lab and Patent Medicine EmporDr. Anecdotal Fraium at May 09, 2021 08:10 AM (Ndje9)
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The Hotel Emma sounds like a fun place to stay. Might as well spend the kids' inheritance there.
Posted by: Tonypete at May 09, 2021 08:10 AM (Rvt88)
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I think I actually have a copy of The Superior Person's Book of Words somewhere...
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at May 09, 2021 08:11 AM (PiwSw)
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All hail, guest Book Mistress!
Posted by: Oddbob at May 09, 2021 08:11 AM (NhBH4)
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I hope OM is just taking a break and is not suffering ill health. Thank you, Eris, for taking on the task.
Posted by: Weak Geek at May 09, 2021 08:12 AM (V5lmZ)
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Captain Hate, can't help you. CBD had to format this for me because I'm a technopeasant.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Iron Fist in Velvet Glove in Iron Gauntlet Clutching an Iron Mace at May 09, 2021 08:12 AM (Dc2NZ)
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Posted by: Vic at May 09, 2021 08:08 AM (mpXpK)
I love SA at least I did love the SA I recall when I loved it. Steampunk. Man I missed that one big time. They Key and Pel sketch was great. If I hadn't seen that, I would have never have known such a thing existed.
I love SA at least I did love the SA I recall when I loved it. Steampunk. Man I missed that one big time. They Key and Pel sketch was great. If I hadn't seen that, I would have never have known such a thing existed.
Posted by: Quint at May 09, 2021 08:12 AM (aqif7)
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I need to read Cry Bullies, but don't want to support amazon. Hmmm.
I currently have The Myth of White Fragility next on my to-read pile, bought it through booksamillion (too expensive, won't return).
Currently reading Voyage to Arcturus, in anticipation of reading John C Wright's analysis of it. Mr. Wright needs to wright more books, I'm down to reading his essays and reviews at this point.
I currently have The Myth of White Fragility next on my to-read pile, bought it through booksamillion (too expensive, won't return).
Currently reading Voyage to Arcturus, in anticipation of reading John C Wright's analysis of it. Mr. Wright needs to wright more books, I'm down to reading his essays and reviews at this point.
Posted by: .87c at May 09, 2021 08:12 AM (TDP3i)
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Oops off sucky sock.
There are a whole bunch of old Scifi mags on Gutenberg. I love the covers and story titles. Just can't get enough of the bad space monsters.
There are a whole bunch of old Scifi mags on Gutenberg. I love the covers and story titles. Just can't get enough of the bad space monsters.
Posted by: f'd at May 09, 2021 08:13 AM (Tnijr)
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OregonMuse is recuperating from gender reassignment surgery. He'll be kicking up his peep-toed heels soon!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Iron Fist in Velvet Glove in Iron Gauntlet Clutching an Iron Mace at May 09, 2021 08:14 AM (Dc2NZ)
Posted by: Dr. Anecdotal Franken-Fauci, Director-for-Life, Director-for-Life, Wuhan Murder Hornet Lab and Paten at May 09, 2021 08:15 AM (Ndje9)
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Captain Hate, can't help you. CBD had to format this for me because I'm a technopeasant.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Iron Fist in Velvet Glove in Iron Gauntlet Clutching an Iron Mace at May 09, 2021 08:12 AM (Dc2NZ)
Ok, I obviously have a workaround but Pixy hasn't done a fucking thing to make the main page more usable on Apple browsers. In fact since the temporary site things are even worse.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Iron Fist in Velvet Glove in Iron Gauntlet Clutching an Iron Mace at May 09, 2021 08:12 AM (Dc2NZ)
Ok, I obviously have a workaround but Pixy hasn't done a fucking thing to make the main page more usable on Apple browsers. In fact since the temporary site things are even worse.
Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at May 09, 2021 08:16 AM (y7DUB)
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I need to read Cry Bullies, but don't want to support amazon. Hmmm.
Posted by: .87c at May 09, 2021 08:12 AM (TDP3i)
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Right now Amazon is the biggest game in town for indy authors. If you boycott them, you won't hurt Amazon, but you will hurt the authors and you'll do it two ways.
First, you'll deny them direct cash payments. That's bad, but what's worse is you'll demonstrate to Amazon that conservative writers have no audience, so they can purge the site free of economic consequences. On the other hand, if conservatives are getting rich and hauling in dough, Amazon will think twice about breaking their own rice bowl.
A tactic that hurts your side worse than the enemy is a bad tactic.
Posted by: .87c at May 09, 2021 08:12 AM (TDP3i)
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Right now Amazon is the biggest game in town for indy authors. If you boycott them, you won't hurt Amazon, but you will hurt the authors and you'll do it two ways.
First, you'll deny them direct cash payments. That's bad, but what's worse is you'll demonstrate to Amazon that conservative writers have no audience, so they can purge the site free of economic consequences. On the other hand, if conservatives are getting rich and hauling in dough, Amazon will think twice about breaking their own rice bowl.
A tactic that hurts your side worse than the enemy is a bad tactic.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 09, 2021 08:18 AM (llXky)
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Great job, Eris!
Thanks to your info on "nabrok":
I now know where how famous Viking Erik Stink-Pants got his name.
Thanks to your info on "nabrok":
I now know where how famous Viking Erik Stink-Pants got his name.
Posted by: naturalfake at May 09, 2021 08:19 AM (dWwl8)
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Who Dis? Maila Nurmi aka Vampira!
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at May 09, 2021 08:02 AM (PiwSw)
Was she an early version of Cassandra Peterson bka Elvira Mistress of the Dark?
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at May 09, 2021 08:02 AM (PiwSw)
Was she an early version of Cassandra Peterson bka Elvira Mistress of the Dark?
Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at May 09, 2021 08:19 AM (y7DUB)
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All Hail Eris! Smashing book thread.
Posted by: bluebell at May 09, 2021 08:21 AM (wyw4S)
Posted by: rhennigantx at May 09, 2021 08:21 AM (yrol0)
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Thorbjorg Ship-Breast
I want to breathe some life upon this old name. Which lady wants this name?
I want to breathe some life upon this old name. Which lady wants this name?
Posted by: humphreyrobot at May 09, 2021 08:21 AM (o89XP)
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Reading this week: I've got more Osprey books on Chinese military history coming in. This week I read Imperial Chinese Armies 1840-1911. Weird and very interesting.
Writing news: I finally got down to work on Battle Officer Wolf: The DRAGON Incident. Only a thousand words into it, but the path is starting to become clear. As always happens when I get into writing, everyone I know has suddenly found urgent things to break up my concentration and use up my free time.
A week ago I was bored out of my mind, now I'm struggling to get the time to write sentence or two.
Writing news: I finally got down to work on Battle Officer Wolf: The DRAGON Incident. Only a thousand words into it, but the path is starting to become clear. As always happens when I get into writing, everyone I know has suddenly found urgent things to break up my concentration and use up my free time.
A week ago I was bored out of my mind, now I'm struggling to get the time to write sentence or two.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 09, 2021 08:21 AM (llXky)
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Thanks, NatFake. Ginning up a quickie for CBD made me appreciate how hard it must be to generate content for you animals day in and day out.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Iron Fist in Velvet Glove in Iron Gauntlet Clutching an Iron Mace at May 09, 2021 08:22 AM (Dc2NZ)
Posted by: rhennigantx at May 09, 2021 08:22 AM (yrol0)
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If you don't like my second opinion, I've got others.
Posted by: Dr. Anecdotal Franken-Fauci, Director-for-Life, Wuhan Murder Hornet Lab and Patent Medicine Emporium at May 09, 2021 08:22 AM (Ndje9)
Posted by: SMH at May 09, 2021 08:23 AM (FdY5T)
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Does thou Eystein Foul-Fart take Thorbjorg Ship-Breast, forsaking most others?
Posted by: rhennigantx at May 09, 2021 08:24 AM (yrol0)
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42 If you don't like my second opinion, I've got others.
Posted by: Dr. Anecdotal Franken-Fauci, Director-for-Life, Wuhan Murder Hornet Lab and Patent Medicine Emporium at May 09, 2021 08:22 AM (Ndje9)
Not only do we have standards, we have Double Standards.
Posted by: Dr. Anecdotal Franken-Fauci, Director-for-Life, Wuhan Murder Hornet Lab and Patent Medicine Emporium at May 09, 2021 08:22 AM (Ndje9)
Not only do we have standards, we have Double Standards.
Posted by: Progressives at May 09, 2021 08:25 AM (yrol0)
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Ginning up a quickie for CBD made me appreciate how hard it must be to generate content for you animals day in and day out.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Iron Fist in Velvet Glove in Iron Gauntlet Clutching an Iron Mace at May 09, 2021 08:22 AM (Dc2NZ)
OM has a real knack for doing this weekly. I'd get two or three sentences into it and tell everyone to go fuck themselves.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Iron Fist in Velvet Glove in Iron Gauntlet Clutching an Iron Mace at May 09, 2021 08:22 AM (Dc2NZ)
OM has a real knack for doing this weekly. I'd get two or three sentences into it and tell everyone to go fuck themselves.
Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at May 09, 2021 08:25 AM (y7DUB)
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Read Patton: A Study in Command by H. Essame. Published in 1974, the book is a biography of George Patton that focuses more on his command style and ends before his death. The author, a British general, held a high opinion of Patton's abilities as a combat leader. Essame does not have much similar praise for Omar Bradley and implies that he was one of the mediocrities. Essame also argues that Eisenhower missed five opportunities to end the war in 1944 by not allowing Patton to conduct the operations he recommended. Sprinkled with sometimes wry commentary, I found the book informative but not a hagiography. Rating = 4.5/5.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at May 09, 2021 08:26 AM (pJWtt)
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Hiya
Posted by: JT at May 09, 2021 08:26 AM (arJlL)
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Bluebell - Happy Mother's Day !
Posted by: JT at May 09, 2021 08:27 AM (arJlL)
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Hiya JT! Welcome to the party, pal.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Iron Fist in Velvet Glove in Iron Gauntlet Clutching an Iron Mace at May 09, 2021 08:27 AM (Dc2NZ)
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Happy Mother's Day to all of the Mom's !
Posted by: JT at May 09, 2021 08:28 AM (arJlL)
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Thank you Eris !
Posted by: JT at May 09, 2021 08:28 AM (arJlL)
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Thanks, JT.
Posted by: SMH at May 09, 2021 08:30 AM (FdY5T)
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You are MOST welcome, SMH !
Posted by: JT at May 09, 2021 08:31 AM (arJlL)
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Essame also argues that Eisenhower missed five
opportunities to end the war in 1944 by not allowing Patton to conduct
the operations he recommended.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at May 09, 2021 08:26 AM (pJWtt)
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It's interesting to examine "X won but could have won faster if..." arguments. Ike gets a lot of criticism for a guy who did pretty well overall. One advantage Patton had was that he died at the moment of his greatest glory. Always nice to go out on a high note.
When researching the Spanish Civil War I was fascinated to see that no one gives Franco any credit for beating a larger, better-supplied force without a single serious defeat. Some of it is political, but even Nationalist generals (or those sympathetic to them) do nothing but rip on Franco, which I think is a mistake. There were lots of ways to lose but only a few ways to win and he found one of them.
opportunities to end the war in 1944 by not allowing Patton to conduct
the operations he recommended.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at May 09, 2021 08:26 AM (pJWtt)
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It's interesting to examine "X won but could have won faster if..." arguments. Ike gets a lot of criticism for a guy who did pretty well overall. One advantage Patton had was that he died at the moment of his greatest glory. Always nice to go out on a high note.
When researching the Spanish Civil War I was fascinated to see that no one gives Franco any credit for beating a larger, better-supplied force without a single serious defeat. Some of it is political, but even Nationalist generals (or those sympathetic to them) do nothing but rip on Franco, which I think is a mistake. There were lots of ways to lose but only a few ways to win and he found one of them.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 09, 2021 08:32 AM (llXky)
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ERIS!!
Nicely done!!!!
Nicely done!!!!
Posted by: Weasel at May 09, 2021 08:33 AM (MVjcR)
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Sniveling snools. Ha.
Afraid I have been reading some official proposals written by such folk. One school board document looked much better when real people got involved.
Afraid I have been reading some official proposals written by such folk. One school board document looked much better when real people got involved.
Posted by: KT at May 09, 2021 08:33 AM (wZWNF)
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I use Brave on both my macbook and iphone.
No issues.
Posted by: SMH at May 09, 2021 08:23 AM (FdY5T)
For whatever reason I can't find an iPad version, probably because there isn't one. I'll just keep using Safari with the JavaScript off until I browse elsewhere. And install Brave on my iPhone.
No issues.
Posted by: SMH at May 09, 2021 08:23 AM (FdY5T)
For whatever reason I can't find an iPad version, probably because there isn't one. I'll just keep using Safari with the JavaScript off until I browse elsewhere. And install Brave on my iPhone.
Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at May 09, 2021 08:33 AM (y7DUB)
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@A.H. Lloyd
It's a valid point. I might continue to use it for solely that purpose.
Part of the problem is the conservative approach to social/commercial war, exemplified by my statement above. We need coordinated strikes against visible targets to change corporate minds, not general boycotts which are unsustainable in time and across significant numbers of participants.
It's a valid point. I might continue to use it for solely that purpose.
Part of the problem is the conservative approach to social/commercial war, exemplified by my statement above. We need coordinated strikes against visible targets to change corporate minds, not general boycotts which are unsustainable in time and across significant numbers of participants.
Posted by: .87c at May 09, 2021 08:33 AM (TDP3i)
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I've been slacking off on the deep tomes this week. It's been Joe Pickett mysteries, and I regret nothing. C.J. Box is such a good writer.
I did leaf through "Film Noir Style: The Killer 40s" by Kimberly Truhler. Check out Eva Gardner on the cover:
https://tinyurl.com/cv93ssrz
It's not only a luscious compendium of dark, dangerous threads, it's a list of movies I need to see or see again.
I did leaf through "Film Noir Style: The Killer 40s" by Kimberly Truhler. Check out Eva Gardner on the cover:
https://tinyurl.com/cv93ssrz
It's not only a luscious compendium of dark, dangerous threads, it's a list of movies I need to see or see again.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Iron Fist in Velvet Glove in Iron Gauntlet Clutching an Iron Mace at May 09, 2021 08:34 AM (Dc2NZ)
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Happy Mother's Day to all of the Mom's !
Posted by: JT at May 09, 2021 08:28 AM (arJlL)
same. God Bless all Mom's.
Posted by: JT at May 09, 2021 08:28 AM (arJlL)
same. God Bless all Mom's.
Posted by: Quint at May 09, 2021 08:35 AM (aqif7)
Posted by: JT at May 09, 2021 08:35 AM (arJlL)
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Oh, I forgot to include the link to "Crybullies":
https://tinyurl.com/uek43fn9
The cover is hilarious.
https://tinyurl.com/uek43fn9
The cover is hilarious.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Iron Fist in Velvet Glove in Iron Gauntlet Clutching an Iron Mace at May 09, 2021 08:35 AM (Dc2NZ)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Iron Fist in Velvet Glove in Iron Gauntlet Clutching an Iron Mace at May 09, 2021 08:37 AM (Dc2NZ)
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All Hail Eris, Iron Fist in Velvet Glove in Iron Gauntlet Clutching an Iron Mace
Thank you for the book thread. Yes, writing one post makes you realize we are in the Golden Age of CoBs. CBD was very helpful. I also identify as a technopeasant.
Thank you for the book thread. Yes, writing one post makes you realize we are in the Golden Age of CoBs. CBD was very helpful. I also identify as a technopeasant.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 09, 2021 08:37 AM (u82oZ)
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We need coordinated strikes against visible targets
to change corporate minds, not general boycotts which are unsustainable
in time and across significant numbers of participants.
Posted by: .87c at May 09, 2021 08:33 AM (TDP3i)
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Yes. Choose the target well and in such a way that won't inconvenience you so you won't feel more pain than you give. My go-to soft drink is caffeine-free Diet Coke. When Coke got woke, I bought some of the alternatives to see how they stack up. Happily, Big K makes a version that is not only cheaper, but tastes better! Enjoy your permanently reduced market share.
to change corporate minds, not general boycotts which are unsustainable
in time and across significant numbers of participants.
Posted by: .87c at May 09, 2021 08:33 AM (TDP3i)
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Yes. Choose the target well and in such a way that won't inconvenience you so you won't feel more pain than you give. My go-to soft drink is caffeine-free Diet Coke. When Coke got woke, I bought some of the alternatives to see how they stack up. Happily, Big K makes a version that is not only cheaper, but tastes better! Enjoy your permanently reduced market share.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 09, 2021 08:38 AM (llXky)
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I am currently working on a reread of the Mitch Rapp series.
Posted by: Vic
I think you would like the series by Dalton Fury, for example Black Site. I am now starting Brad Thor.
Thank you for the book thread!
Re the cartoon, went to the new, to me, library in town with a couple books that I thought were over due, I asked if I owed a fine. They responded that they do not do fines. Also, they have an audio book system, Libby, where you can download audio books for free. Good.
Posted by: Vic
I think you would like the series by Dalton Fury, for example Black Site. I am now starting Brad Thor.
Thank you for the book thread!
Re the cartoon, went to the new, to me, library in town with a couple books that I thought were over due, I asked if I owed a fine. They responded that they do not do fines. Also, they have an audio book system, Libby, where you can download audio books for free. Good.
Posted by: MikeM at May 09, 2021 08:38 AM (5kpOR)
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Good morning, Hordelings!
Thanks for the Calvin and Hobbs, OM! I have several of those books - along with The Far Side and Bloom County. My favorite trifecta of prominent comic strips From the 80s.
Thanks for the Calvin and Hobbs, OM! I have several of those books - along with The Far Side and Bloom County. My favorite trifecta of prominent comic strips From the 80s.
Posted by: Doof at May 09, 2021 08:38 AM (mZUr4)
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I've read prewar fiction, notably the Saint stories, but it was a surprise to open a novel that I thought would be a Cold War spy story and see that it's from 1939.
Such is the case with "A Coffin for Dimitrios" by Eric Ambler.
Dimitrios was -- or is (?) -- a bad egg, mixed up in crime and political violence all over Europe. A former university professor, now a successful writer of detective novels, meets a fan at a party in Turkey. Said fan is a senior official of the Turkish secret police. In discussing murder, he brings up Dimitrios (the last name varies) as an example of a real murderer. Dimitrios' body has just been discovered.
Intrigued by the man's extensive criminal career, the author undertakes to fill in the gaps of Dimitrios' life that aren't in police files. This is his own idea (yeah, right).
But somebody is following him. ...
The book has footnotes, mostly translations of city names. For example, Smyrna was previously called Izmir. This will require an atlas to track the scenes. Fortunately, I have an old atlas with the original place names.
Intrigue, secrets, world travel -- this is my kind of book.
Such is the case with "A Coffin for Dimitrios" by Eric Ambler.
Dimitrios was -- or is (?) -- a bad egg, mixed up in crime and political violence all over Europe. A former university professor, now a successful writer of detective novels, meets a fan at a party in Turkey. Said fan is a senior official of the Turkish secret police. In discussing murder, he brings up Dimitrios (the last name varies) as an example of a real murderer. Dimitrios' body has just been discovered.
Intrigued by the man's extensive criminal career, the author undertakes to fill in the gaps of Dimitrios' life that aren't in police files. This is his own idea (yeah, right).
But somebody is following him. ...
The book has footnotes, mostly translations of city names. For example, Smyrna was previously called Izmir. This will require an atlas to track the scenes. Fortunately, I have an old atlas with the original place names.
Intrigue, secrets, world travel -- this is my kind of book.
Posted by: Weak Geek at May 09, 2021 08:38 AM (V5lmZ)
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Excellent book thread Eris!!
Happy Mother's Day to all the moms of the Horde! I hope you all have a delightful day and read a good book (or the Good Book!)
Happy Mother's Day to all the moms of the Horde! I hope you all have a delightful day and read a good book (or the Good Book!)
Posted by: Moki at May 09, 2021 08:39 AM (ncrvG)
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I use Brave on both my macbook and iphone. [/]
Hans has tried Safari, Edge and Brave on his iPhone and all act the same way. Main page auto-reloads after crashing and then gives up.
If you can manage to get to comments before things crash out it seems ok, but Hans doesn't post all that much.
Hans has tried Safari, Edge and Brave on his iPhone and all act the same way. Main page auto-reloads after crashing and then gives up.
If you can manage to get to comments before things crash out it seems ok, but Hans doesn't post all that much.
Posted by: Hans O'Lo at May 09, 2021 08:39 AM (u7pQw)
Posted by: JT at May 09, 2021 08:39 AM (arJlL)
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You probably didn't want to be the guy who was assigned to sit behind, next to, or even in front of, Eystein Foul-Fart, especially if heavy rowing was involved.
I'm guessing those were rookie jobs.
I'm guessing those were rookie jobs.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 09, 2021 08:40 AM (JZT2F)
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My bad, All Hail Eris -- I credited OM instinctively.
Much appreciation and respect for today's book thread!
Much appreciation and respect for today's book thread!
Posted by: Doof at May 09, 2021 08:41 AM (mZUr4)
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When Coke got woke, I bought some of the alternatives to see how they stack up. Happily, Big K makes a version that is not only cheaper, but tastes better! Enjoy your permanently reduced market share.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 09, 2021 08:38 AM (llXky)
We got a Soda Stream, and it's not bad. A double whammy because we can avoid woke coke and support a BDS opposed company at the same time.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 09, 2021 08:38 AM (llXky)
We got a Soda Stream, and it's not bad. A double whammy because we can avoid woke coke and support a BDS opposed company at the same time.
Posted by: Moki at May 09, 2021 08:41 AM (ncrvG)
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dang
Posted by: The Barrel at May 09, 2021 08:41 AM (pnSY9)
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I saw Joe Picket open for Trimble and Pettigrew on July 3 something.
Posted by: Quint at May 09, 2021 08:41 AM (aqif7)
Posted by: Oddbob at May 09, 2021 08:41 AM (jCpRm)
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"The Shanghai Gesture"
Like this?
*jerks fist up and down*
No?
"Film Noir Style: The Killer 40s" - contents page has some I've never seen, Like the mysterious...sinister even "Shanghai Gesture".
I'll have to check those out.
Saw "Detour" again last week. This time it seemed a bit like a David Lynch flick with a traveling killer unable to accept what he's done so we see his excuse fantasy for his situation.
Like this?
*jerks fist up and down*
No?
"Film Noir Style: The Killer 40s" - contents page has some I've never seen, Like the mysterious...sinister even "Shanghai Gesture".
I'll have to check those out.
Saw "Detour" again last week. This time it seemed a bit like a David Lynch flick with a traveling killer unable to accept what he's done so we see his excuse fantasy for his situation.
Posted by: naturalfake at May 09, 2021 08:41 AM (dWwl8)
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Greetings:
Our local Library system no longer collects late fees but they do send an e-mail to remind you of your perfidy. And, thankfully, they didn't wrap the move up in social justice and put an equity ribbon on it.
Our local Library system no longer collects late fees but they do send an e-mail to remind you of your perfidy. And, thankfully, they didn't wrap the move up in social justice and put an equity ribbon on it.
Posted by: 11B40 at May 09, 2021 08:41 AM (evgyj)
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Hiya JT!! It has been an awesome Mother's Day so far!! I hope you are doing well!!
Posted by: Moki at May 09, 2021 08:42 AM (ncrvG)
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I remember old cartoon making fun of pseudo intellect and sumo wrestlers.
Posted by: humphreyrobot at May 09, 2021 08:42 AM (o89XP)
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Hans will now go into the Barrel.
Posted by: Hans O'Lo at May 09, 2021 08:43 AM (u7pQw)
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74 My bad, All Hail Eris -- I credited OM instinctively.
Much appreciation and respect for today's book thread!
Posted by: Doof at May 09, 2021 08:41 AM (mZUr4)
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Nice recovery. You almost got vapulated!
(I instinctively wrote "fapulated".)
Much appreciation and respect for today's book thread!
Posted by: Doof at May 09, 2021 08:41 AM (mZUr4)
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Nice recovery. You almost got vapulated!
(I instinctively wrote "fapulated".)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Iron Fist in Velvet Glove in Iron Gauntlet Clutching an Iron Mace at May 09, 2021 08:43 AM (Dc2NZ)
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Good morning fellow Book Threadists and happy Mothers Day if that applies. I hope everyone had a great week of reading.
Posted by: JTB at May 09, 2021 08:44 AM (7EjX1)
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> Hans has tried Safari, Edge and Brave on his iPhone and all act the same way. Main page auto-reloads after crashing and then gives up.
I haven't tried Edge, but yeah, I see this in both Safari and Brave on the iPhone. The site is nearly unusable on the phone as a result. No problems on desktop.
I haven't tried Edge, but yeah, I see this in both Safari and Brave on the iPhone. The site is nearly unusable on the phone as a result. No problems on desktop.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 09, 2021 08:44 AM (JZT2F)
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It's interesting to examine "X won but could have won faster if..." arguments. Ike gets a lot of criticism for a guy who did pretty well overall. One advantage Patton had was that he died at the moment of his greatest glory. Always nice to go out on a high note.
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Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 09, 2021 08:32 AM (llXky)
Essame is most bitter about the failure to close the Falaise Pocket (he commanded an infantry brigade there). Essame seems to be fairly even-handed with Eisenhower and acknowledges that he had to be politician as well as general. He doesn't have much good to say about Bradley and, reading between the lines, has a low opinion of his ability as an Army Group commander. It was interesting to get a different point-of-view from a British general that was at the pointy end of the spear.
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Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 09, 2021 08:32 AM (llXky)
Essame is most bitter about the failure to close the Falaise Pocket (he commanded an infantry brigade there). Essame seems to be fairly even-handed with Eisenhower and acknowledges that he had to be politician as well as general. He doesn't have much good to say about Bradley and, reading between the lines, has a low opinion of his ability as an Army Group commander. It was interesting to get a different point-of-view from a British general that was at the pointy end of the spear.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at May 09, 2021 08:44 AM (pJWtt)
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We got a Soda Stream, and it's not bad. A double
whammy because we can avoid woke coke and support a BDS opposed company
at the same time.
Posted by: Moki at May 09, 2021 08:41 AM (ncrvG)
I have one but I don't think it is as good. Maybe I am doing it wrong. I recall when Cramer said it was demonstrably better. I wanted to believe him, as the old line from Ghostbusters goes. THey are ready to believe you. Maybe I just suck at it.
Not to be "that guy" but I think Keurig Dr. Pepper went woke since Coke went woke. Everyone is saying Coke is over it. They won't win me back, unless they do a shit load more to backstroke.
whammy because we can avoid woke coke and support a BDS opposed company
at the same time.
Posted by: Moki at May 09, 2021 08:41 AM (ncrvG)
I have one but I don't think it is as good. Maybe I am doing it wrong. I recall when Cramer said it was demonstrably better. I wanted to believe him, as the old line from Ghostbusters goes. THey are ready to believe you. Maybe I just suck at it.
Not to be "that guy" but I think Keurig Dr. Pepper went woke since Coke went woke. Everyone is saying Coke is over it. They won't win me back, unless they do a shit load more to backstroke.
Posted by: Quint at May 09, 2021 08:44 AM (aqif7)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 09, 2021 08:45 AM (VVEnO)
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For whatever reason I'm still having a hard time making headway in reading. Maybe with my wife going out of town this week that will change.
I am about a hundred pages into The Alienist by Caleb Carr and am enjoying it quite a bit with his recreation of NYC in 1896. Of particular interest was his recreation of a bacchanalian feast in Delmonico's when it was one of the only really upscale restaurants. Although I'm enjoying it I'm wondering how much discussion it will provoke in the book group because it's a very straight ahead narration.
I am about a hundred pages into The Alienist by Caleb Carr and am enjoying it quite a bit with his recreation of NYC in 1896. Of particular interest was his recreation of a bacchanalian feast in Delmonico's when it was one of the only really upscale restaurants. Although I'm enjoying it I'm wondering how much discussion it will provoke in the book group because it's a very straight ahead narration.
Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at May 09, 2021 08:45 AM (y7DUB)
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Municipal libraries are a form of socialism
Posted by: Proud Moderate at May 09, 2021 08:44 AM (E7LC3)
do the letters F O mean anything to you.
Posted by: Proud Moderate at May 09, 2021 08:44 AM (E7LC3)
do the letters F O mean anything to you.
Posted by: Quint at May 09, 2021 08:45 AM (aqif7)
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I use Brave on my iPad (2018 nonPro version). It does the reloading thing and it's hard to get to comments. I kinda think it's the iPad, but my 2012-era PC is no better when running Chrome or Edge.
Posted by: Catherine at May 09, 2021 08:46 AM (41zFX)
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Weak Geek "Intrigue, secrets, world travel -- this is my kind of book" I read A Coffin for Dimitrios a couple of years ago. And thought the same thing. Well done thriller and actually kind of nice to get out of the east-west cold war and into the much messier world of pre-WWII Europe
Posted by: who knew at May 09, 2021 08:47 AM (SfO/T)
Posted by: JT at May 09, 2021 08:47 AM (arJlL)
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Public roads are a form of socialism.
Posted by: klaftern at May 09, 2021 08:49 AM (RuIsu)
Posted by: Oddbob at May 09, 2021 08:50 AM (Lwkb/)
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Water fountains are a form of socialism.
Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at May 09, 2021 08:51 AM (y7DUB)
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Who dis is Maila Nurmi. She set up the Horror host genre Elvira later made famous. Cleavage works.
From Wiki: The Vampira Show was an American television show that broadcast vintage horror films presented by horror host Vampira.
From Wiki: The Vampira Show was an American television show that broadcast vintage horror films presented by horror host Vampira.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 09, 2021 08:51 AM (u82oZ)
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This week I've been reading _The Magic Mountain_ by Thomas Mann. It's one of those enormous Important Novels you could use as a doorstopper for a bank vault.
Not what you call heavily plotted: a guy goes to a sanitarium in Switzerland and stays there for seven years. Eats a lot of big meals, flirts a little, and listens to a lot of long-winded discussions of time and meaning and whatever.
It's excruciatingly slow . . . but I haven't put it aside yet. For all my complaints, it still carries me along. I may have a different opinion next week.
Not what you call heavily plotted: a guy goes to a sanitarium in Switzerland and stays there for seven years. Eats a lot of big meals, flirts a little, and listens to a lot of long-winded discussions of time and meaning and whatever.
It's excruciatingly slow . . . but I haven't put it aside yet. For all my complaints, it still carries me along. I may have a different opinion next week.
Posted by: Trimegistus at May 09, 2021 08:51 AM (QZxDR)
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One advantage Patton had was that he died at the moment of his greatest glory. Always nice to go out on a high note.
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Abraham Lincoln
Admiral Lord Nelson
James Dean
Kurt Cobain
John Kennedy
Robert Kennedy
(Ted, not so much)
Amy Winehouse
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Abraham Lincoln
Admiral Lord Nelson
James Dean
Kurt Cobain
John Kennedy
Robert Kennedy
(Ted, not so much)
Amy Winehouse
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 09, 2021 08:51 AM (VVEnO)
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My bad, All Hail Eris -- I credited OM instinctively.
Much appreciation and respect for today's book thread!
Posted by: Doof at May 09, 2021 08:41 AM (mZUr4)
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Nice recovery. You almost got vapulated!
(I instinctively wrote "fapulated".)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Iron Fist in Velvet Glove in Iron Gauntlet Clutching an Iron Mace at May 09, 2021 08:43 AM (Dc2NZ)
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Thanks for being understanding! TJM would have vapulated me for sure.
Thanks for teaching us that word. I'm gonna use it on TJM when our fued resumes!
Much appreciation and respect for today's book thread!
Posted by: Doof at May 09, 2021 08:41 AM (mZUr4)
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Nice recovery. You almost got vapulated!
(I instinctively wrote "fapulated".)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Iron Fist in Velvet Glove in Iron Gauntlet Clutching an Iron Mace at May 09, 2021 08:43 AM (Dc2NZ)
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Thanks for being understanding! TJM would have vapulated me for sure.
Thanks for teaching us that word. I'm gonna use it on TJM when our fued resumes!
Posted by: Doof at May 09, 2021 08:51 AM (mZUr4)
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Fortuitous Objects (e.g. close tags in the nic)
Posted by: Oddbob at May 09, 2021 08:52 AM (Lwkb/)
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Thrand Slender-Leg
Also had a purty mouth, by all accounts. Very popular guy on long voyages.
Hlif the Horse-Gelder
You probably didn't want to be the guy who got caught cheating on her.
Also had a purty mouth, by all accounts. Very popular guy on long voyages.
Hlif the Horse-Gelder
You probably didn't want to be the guy who got caught cheating on her.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 09, 2021 08:53 AM (JZT2F)
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She set up the Horror host genre Elvira later made famous. Cleavage works.
Two big reasons to watch Elvira.
Two big reasons to watch Elvira.
Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at May 09, 2021 08:53 AM (y7DUB)
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 09, 2021 08:54 AM (JZT2F)
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Haven't done much reading for me. My time was filled up with shopping for a new laptop and with buying books for the boys. This week I chose Red Sails to Capri, Where the Red Fern Grows, and am looking at Redwall sequels, as he is loving Redwall (another kid is reading it, and he's a bit of a copy cat)
Posted by: CN at May 09, 2021 08:54 AM (ONvIw)
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two?, oh, ok, yeah two.
Posted by: Quint at May 09, 2021 08:54 AM (aqif7)
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Vampira also co-starred in Plan 9 From Outer Space. Cinematic immortality.
Posted by: Trimegistus at May 09, 2021 08:54 AM (QZxDR)
Posted by: SMH at May 09, 2021 08:55 AM (FdY5T)
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 09, 2021 08:55 AM (JZT2F)
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Who dis.....a young Alice Cooper?
Posted by: Cringe Biscuit at May 09, 2021 08:55 AM (k+13S)
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Greetings:
I'm pretty sure that there's a sumo tournament starting today with highlights on NHK.
I'm pretty sure that there's a sumo tournament starting today with highlights on NHK.
Posted by: 11B40 at May 09, 2021 08:55 AM (evgyj)
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A gag in the old "Jump Start" comic strip:
Joe, cleaning the house, finds a video that he got from Blockbuster many years earlier. He panics but Marcy tells him to just go to the store and explain it.
When Joe comes out of the store, Marcy asks, "Well?"
Joe, stunned, says: "The National Enquirer is on their way over."
Joe, cleaning the house, finds a video that he got from Blockbuster many years earlier. He panics but Marcy tells him to just go to the store and explain it.
When Joe comes out of the store, Marcy asks, "Well?"
Joe, stunned, says: "The National Enquirer is on their way over."
Posted by: Weak Geek at May 09, 2021 08:55 AM (V5lmZ)
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 09, 2021 08:55 AM (JZT2F)
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Another book I read was Father Robert Spitzer's The Soul's Upward Yearning. Published in 2015, it is an examination of the the proofs of the existence of the human soul and God. Fr. Spitzer essentially distilled many writings, ranging from Plato to the 21st C., for this book. He makes the argument that humans are inclined towards a yearning for perfect truth (reality), love, justice (goodness) and beauty. He then dives into proofs for God's existence and gives counter-arguments refuting Stephen Hawking, Richard Dawkins and the multi-verse. While not an easy read, I found it to quite profound. There are extensive citations and a large bibliography. Rating = 5.0/5.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at May 09, 2021 08:55 AM (pJWtt)
Posted by: Biden's Dog at May 09, 2021 08:56 AM (Pfqsh)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 09, 2021 08:56 AM (Q9lwr)
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The Far Side and Bloom County. My favorite trifecta of prominent comic strips From the 80s.
Posted by: Doof at May 09, 2021 08:38 AM (mZUr4)
I met Berk back in the days at UT. He may have already graduated and I was a Jr I think. His comic strip was called The Academia Waltz.
Posted by: Doof at May 09, 2021 08:38 AM (mZUr4)
I met Berk back in the days at UT. He may have already graduated and I was a Jr I think. His comic strip was called The Academia Waltz.
Posted by: Progressives at May 09, 2021 08:56 AM (yrol0)
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fairly even-handed with Eisenhower
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Dwight's son, historian John Eisenhower, wrote that his father approved Market Garden knowing it would fail because he thought that its failure would shut Montgomery up. I don't believe that but apparently he did.
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Dwight's son, historian John Eisenhower, wrote that his father approved Market Garden knowing it would fail because he thought that its failure would shut Montgomery up. I don't believe that but apparently he did.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 09, 2021 08:56 AM (VVEnO)
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lol Rodrigo.
Posted by: SMH at May 09, 2021 08:56 AM (FdY5T)
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I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper
In comment 4! Shadout Mapes showed great culturally knowledge. It tool me 3 computer programs for me to find that out .
Does "We're not worthy" wave to Shadout Mapes.
In comment 4! Shadout Mapes showed great culturally knowledge. It tool me 3 computer programs for me to find that out .
Does "We're not worthy" wave to Shadout Mapes.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 09, 2021 08:57 AM (u82oZ)
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I just finished Freaky Deaky by Elmore Leonard.
I started reading The Racketeer by John Grisham.
I've read both books before, but it was so long ago, its like reading the books for the first time.
I stopped at my Little Free Library of Death this morning.....NUTHIN' (that interested me), but there was the Reacher novel, Personal, which reminded me that I have to read sone Reacher's soon.
I started reading The Racketeer by John Grisham.
I've read both books before, but it was so long ago, its like reading the books for the first time.
I stopped at my Little Free Library of Death this morning.....NUTHIN' (that interested me), but there was the Reacher novel, Personal, which reminded me that I have to read sone Reacher's soon.
Posted by: JT at May 09, 2021 08:57 AM (arJlL)
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More praise for Paulette Jiles:
Wife just finished reading Jiles book "Enemy Women" to us. This story follows Adair Colley's journey in Civil War (1) through South East Missouri. Adair ends up in a women's prison in St. Louis, from which she escapes. This story describes the brutality of the Union regular army, and the Union Militia, which I knew nothing about. They devastated the Ozark region, burning homes and entire towns, shooting civilian men on sight, and imprisoning the women. The character development is so good in her books, and her descriptions of the natural world are so vivid, I was dreading coming to the end of the story. The really fun part was finishing the book over my birthday weekend, while staying along the Jack's Fork river in Eminence, MO. (If you haven't experienced the Ozark region, you're missing a treat. Some of the world's largest springs flow there, spewing hundreds of millions of gallons of limestone filtered water daily. The rivers are floatable, even in the driest weather.)
Wife just finished reading Jiles book "Enemy Women" to us. This story follows Adair Colley's journey in Civil War (1) through South East Missouri. Adair ends up in a women's prison in St. Louis, from which she escapes. This story describes the brutality of the Union regular army, and the Union Militia, which I knew nothing about. They devastated the Ozark region, burning homes and entire towns, shooting civilian men on sight, and imprisoning the women. The character development is so good in her books, and her descriptions of the natural world are so vivid, I was dreading coming to the end of the story. The really fun part was finishing the book over my birthday weekend, while staying along the Jack's Fork river in Eminence, MO. (If you haven't experienced the Ozark region, you're missing a treat. Some of the world's largest springs flow there, spewing hundreds of millions of gallons of limestone filtered water daily. The rivers are floatable, even in the driest weather.)
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 09, 2021 08:58 AM (7Fj9P)
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Thanks CBD! Back to less abnormal.
Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at May 09, 2021 08:58 AM (y7DUB)
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Dwight's son, historian John Eisenhower, wrote that
his father approved Market Garden knowing it would fail because he
thought that its failure would shut Montgomery up. I don't believe that
but apparently he did.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 09, 2021 08:56 AM (VVEnO)
he sounds to me like a liar and ne'er do well bs artist. oh did I say that out loud? I meant to say he sounds like a legit historian.
his father approved Market Garden knowing it would fail because he
thought that its failure would shut Montgomery up. I don't believe that
but apparently he did.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 09, 2021 08:56 AM (VVEnO)
he sounds to me like a liar and ne'er do well bs artist. oh did I say that out loud? I meant to say he sounds like a legit historian.
Posted by: Quint at May 09, 2021 08:58 AM (aqif7)
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Does "We're not worthy" wave to Shadout Mapes.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 09, 2021 08:57 AM (u82oZ)
Here, have a hit of Valu-Rite. It tingles!
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 09, 2021 08:57 AM (u82oZ)
Here, have a hit of Valu-Rite. It tingles!
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at May 09, 2021 08:58 AM (PiwSw)
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Politico has the butt hurt!
He largely relies on a brain trust of two: himself and his wife, CASEY DESANTIS, a former local TV journalist. Beyond that there are few, if any, DeSantis people, as far as political pros are concerned.
He largely relies on a brain trust of two: himself and his wife, CASEY DESANTIS, a former local TV journalist. Beyond that there are few, if any, DeSantis people, as far as political pros are concerned.
Posted by: rhennigantx at May 09, 2021 08:58 AM (yrol0)
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I never thought I'd be schlonged on the book thread.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 09, 2021 08:59 AM (2goRJ)
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"If income tax is the price you have to pay to keep the government on its feet, alimony is the price we have to pay for sweeping a woman off hers."
Groucho Marx, housecleaner extraordinaire
Groucho Marx, housecleaner extraordinaire
Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Psychos Rule! No, really. They're in charge now. at May 09, 2021 09:01 AM (HaL55)
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I slogged my way through Crossroads of Twilight, book ten in the WOT series by Robert Jordan. Six hundred and eighty pages and story didn't seem to move very far, if at all.
Posted by: Zoltan at May 09, 2021 09:01 AM (kiyX4)
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122 I just finished Freaky Deaky by Elmore Leonard.
I started reading The Racketeer by John Grisham.
I've read both books before, but it was so long ago, its like reading the books for the first time.
I stopped at my Little Free Library of Death this morning.....NUTHIN' (that interested me), but there was the Reacher novel, Personal, which reminded me that I have to read sone Reacher's soon.
Posted by: JT at May 09, 2021 08:57 AM (arJlL)
I never read that one or saw the movie.
I started reading The Racketeer by John Grisham.
I've read both books before, but it was so long ago, its like reading the books for the first time.
I stopped at my Little Free Library of Death this morning.....NUTHIN' (that interested me), but there was the Reacher novel, Personal, which reminded me that I have to read sone Reacher's soon.
Posted by: JT at May 09, 2021 08:57 AM (arJlL)
I never read that one or saw the movie.
Posted by: rhennigantx at May 09, 2021 09:02 AM (yrol0)
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Track of the Cat by Nevada Barr
First in a long series about Park Services employee who ends up places and has to deal with crimes there. The series starts out in West Texas where a body is found with a wild cat named responsible, but the main character knows the cat is innocent. Ok book. Doesn't make me want to read on in the series.
First in a long series about Park Services employee who ends up places and has to deal with crimes there. The series starts out in West Texas where a body is found with a wild cat named responsible, but the main character knows the cat is innocent. Ok book. Doesn't make me want to read on in the series.
Posted by: Charlotte at May 09, 2021 09:03 AM (/cO/2)
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I finished the ARC of Larry Correia's latest Monster Hunters book (Monster Hunter Bloodlines) this week. I won't give any spoilers, since it's not even in general release yet, but Larry is doing Larry as only Larry can. Recommended if you like his other stuff. If you haven't read his other stuff -- if you're intrigued by the idea of, say, fighting off werewolves with heavy machine guns loaded with silver bullets, you'll probably like it. If you own a pair of "skinny jeans"? Probably not so much.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 09, 2021 09:03 AM (JZT2F)
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Eris....I added the link to CryBullies.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 09, 2021 09:04 AM (Q9lwr)
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Eris! No fair calling first on your own thread. 
Posted by: Jordan61 at May 09, 2021 09:05 AM (s9fsa)
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Read Fun and Games by Duane Swierczynski. It was good, but I will not continue with the author or the series. Sort of a theme I saw in the book, but in a lot of books and movies, is the problem of cell phones. Meaning it is difficult to isolate people in an exciting plot, if they can just pull out their phone and call for help, or a friend etc. So for example in Fun and Games, there was a cell phone jammer used. In a movie I saw recently, a young woman was being hunted in the woods, attacked a man she thought was part of the bad guy group, but he was an innocent hunter. But her attack on him destroyed his cell phone, so the movie could continue the isolation in the woods excitement.
Posted by: MikeM at May 09, 2021 09:06 AM (5kpOR)
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I really want to love Larry Correia's books, but he absolutely loves horror. So much so that his light comedic stories include horror elements. Don't get me wrong, he makes it work, but I sometimes wish he'd write something that didn't have eldritch horrors in it because it tempers my enthusiasm as I don't love horror.
In the last week or so I read The Case of the Perambulating Hatrack by Cedar Sanderson, and it reads a lot like Larry Correia's Grimnoir series but by someone who isn't quite as fascinated by the horrific.
The story centers around a hard boiled private eye named Soldagh Dennessey who happens to be a goblin. After acquiring the titular hat rack, his mother and leader of the goblin clan dies and leaves him a mysterious item that everybody seems to want. It's not a hugely long book, but it's well-paced and real page-turner and very noir. Recommended.
In the last week or so I read The Case of the Perambulating Hatrack by Cedar Sanderson, and it reads a lot like Larry Correia's Grimnoir series but by someone who isn't quite as fascinated by the horrific.
The story centers around a hard boiled private eye named Soldagh Dennessey who happens to be a goblin. After acquiring the titular hat rack, his mother and leader of the goblin clan dies and leaves him a mysterious item that everybody seems to want. It's not a hugely long book, but it's well-paced and real page-turner and very noir. Recommended.
Posted by: Cybersmythe at May 09, 2021 09:06 AM (17UTy)
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The rules must be followed until they must be broken!
Stanford University suspended several COVID-19 restrictions to host a parade celebrating the recent championship victory of the womens basketball team.
Stanford University suspended several COVID-19 restrictions to host a parade celebrating the recent championship victory of the womens basketball team.
Posted by: rhennigantx at May 09, 2021 09:07 AM (yrol0)
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I would love nothing better than to sit and talk books, but I gotta lotta shitadoo.
Have a great one, Book Horde, and once again, Great Job, Eris !
Have a great one, Book Horde, and once again, Great Job, Eris !
Posted by: JT at May 09, 2021 09:07 AM (arJlL)
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135 Eris! No fair calling first on your own thread.
Posted by: Jordan61 at May 09, 2021 09:05 AM (s9fsa)
I knew it would be super tacky and I did it anyway.
Posted by: Jordan61 at May 09, 2021 09:05 AM (s9fsa)
I knew it would be super tacky and I did it anyway.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Iron Fist in Velvet Glove in Iron Gauntlet Clutching an Iron Mace at May 09, 2021 09:08 AM (Dc2NZ)
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Thanks CBD!
Okay my pretties, off to hang out with Mommy.
Happy Mother's Day to all our Horde moms!
Okay my pretties, off to hang out with Mommy.
Happy Mother's Day to all our Horde moms!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Iron Fist in Velvet Glove in Iron Gauntlet Clutching an Iron Mace at May 09, 2021 09:09 AM (Dc2NZ)
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he sounds to me like a liar and ne'er do well bs
artist. oh did I say that out loud? I meant to say he sounds like a
legit historian.
Posted by: Quint at May 09, 2021 08:58 AM (aqif7)
I went off there. I need to see some context and links to be sure what I am responding to. I made the mistake there that I call many else out. on. I do know Eisenhower, the son, voted for Kerry in 2004, because I guess GWB was too conservative. But I would like to read this "historian's" exact words. If he crapped on his dad, it would not be hard to guess why. Ask Napoleon's kids what it was like.
artist. oh did I say that out loud? I meant to say he sounds like a
legit historian.
Posted by: Quint at May 09, 2021 08:58 AM (aqif7)
I went off there. I need to see some context and links to be sure what I am responding to. I made the mistake there that I call many else out. on. I do know Eisenhower, the son, voted for Kerry in 2004, because I guess GWB was too conservative. But I would like to read this "historian's" exact words. If he crapped on his dad, it would not be hard to guess why. Ask Napoleon's kids what it was like.
Posted by: Quint at May 09, 2021 09:09 AM (aqif7)
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I am about a hundred pages into The Alienist by Caleb Carr and am enjoying it quite a bit with his recreation of NYC in 1896.
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I read that years ago and really enjoyed it. He does a great job of bringing the city to life, and telling a damned good adventure tale as well.
As usual, they tried to make it into a movie, and f'd it up.
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I read that years ago and really enjoyed it. He does a great job of bringing the city to life, and telling a damned good adventure tale as well.
As usual, they tried to make it into a movie, and f'd it up.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 09, 2021 09:11 AM (7Fj9P)
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I've been in a real Louis L'Amour mood lately: The Sackett Brand, Ride the River, and a metric ton of his short stories. Add in sections of his autobiography Education of a Wandering Man. All satisfying, enjoyable, and informative. The survival methods L'Amour makes part of his stories are based on facts, not just drama and that fits in well with the reading I've been doing about 18th century frontier life.
Posted by: JTB at May 09, 2021 09:11 AM (7EjX1)
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Happy Mother's Day to all our Horde moms!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Iron Fist in Velvet Glove in Iron Gauntlet Clutching an Iron Mace at May 09, 2021 09:09 AM (Dc2NZ)
Thanks Eris! And thanks for the book thread!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Iron Fist in Velvet Glove in Iron Gauntlet Clutching an Iron Mace at May 09, 2021 09:09 AM (Dc2NZ)
Thanks Eris! And thanks for the book thread!
Posted by: Jordan61 at May 09, 2021 09:11 AM (s9fsa)
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The rules must be followed until they must be broken!
Stanford University suspended several COVID-19 restrictions to host a parade celebrating the recent championship victory of the womens basketball team.
Posted by: rhennigantx at May 09, 2021 09:07 AM (yrol0)
I don't know if it's more insulting that they think we're too dumb to notice or don't care if we do. Probably the latter.
Stanford University suspended several COVID-19 restrictions to host a parade celebrating the recent championship victory of the womens basketball team.
Posted by: rhennigantx at May 09, 2021 09:07 AM (yrol0)
I don't know if it's more insulting that they think we're too dumb to notice or don't care if we do. Probably the latter.
Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at May 09, 2021 09:12 AM (y7DUB)
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IMHO, Elvira had a prettier face. And showed more cleavage.
Posted by: JAS, AoSHQ addict at May 09, 2021 09:12 AM (xopIz)
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Currently reading Special Deliverance by Clifford Simak.
It's no Way Station. We shall see. It is the next to last novel he wrote.
It's no Way Station. We shall see. It is the next to last novel he wrote.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 09, 2021 09:12 AM (u82oZ)
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Eris, Bless you for filling in for OM. It wouldn't be Sunday morning without the book thread.
Posted by: JTB at May 09, 2021 09:12 AM (7EjX1)
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Fist bump to all who have suggested Brave for iPhone. The site is MUCH smoother on Brave than Chrome or DDG.
Posted by: Doof at May 09, 2021 09:13 AM (mZUr4)
Posted by: humphreyrobot at May 09, 2021 09:14 AM (o89XP)
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I stopped at my Little Free Library of Death this
morning.....NUTHIN' (that interested me), but there was the Reacher
novel, Personal, which reminded me that I have to read sone Reacher's
soon.
Posted by: JT at May 09, 2021 08:57 AM
You've read one, you've read them all.
morning.....NUTHIN' (that interested me), but there was the Reacher
novel, Personal, which reminded me that I have to read sone Reacher's
soon.
Posted by: JT at May 09, 2021 08:57 AM
You've read one, you've read them all.
Posted by: huerfano at May 09, 2021 09:14 AM (DzhEB)
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>>>IMHO, Elvira had a prettier face. And showed more cleavage.<<<
>Elvira was also smart and funny. Crazy notion, I know!
>Elvira was also smart and funny. Crazy notion, I know!
Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 09, 2021 09:15 AM (2goRJ)
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Lately I've been trying to read all the books I inherited or picked up at bookstore sales that I've been "really meaning to read" for 20 years or more. Hence Magic Mountain. Also reading J.D. Salinger's short story collection Nine Stories. That was his breakout book. The pieces are pretty good -- lots of them are about the aftereffects of WWII. Characters with what we would now call PTSD -- and people interacting with them and not getting the problem.
Posted by: Trimegistus at May 09, 2021 09:16 AM (QZxDR)
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Track of the Cat by Nevada Barr... Ok book. Doesn't make me want to read on in the series.
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Fair Lady Robin and I read her book about Isle Royal, while backpacking there. We read several more, but Barr gets super formulaic in her mystery narrative, we quit after 3 or 4 books.
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Fair Lady Robin and I read her book about Isle Royal, while backpacking there. We read several more, but Barr gets super formulaic in her mystery narrative, we quit after 3 or 4 books.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 09, 2021 09:16 AM (7Fj9P)
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Hi All! Thanks Eris!
Thanks to all you who have read and commented on my recently-released book, Combat Engineer - much obliged for the nice reviews.
Beach week for me, so, beach reading (which is exactly the same as all other reading...). Cheers all!
Thanks to all you who have read and commented on my recently-released book, Combat Engineer - much obliged for the nice reviews.
Beach week for me, so, beach reading (which is exactly the same as all other reading...). Cheers all!
Posted by: goatexchange at May 09, 2021 09:17 AM (TIMnZ)
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Posted by: Trimegistus at May 09, 2021 09:16 AM (QZxDR)
I read that many years ago. Don't remember much about it.
I read that many years ago. Don't remember much about it.
Posted by: Jordan61 at May 09, 2021 09:18 AM (s9fsa)
Posted by: Skip at May 09, 2021 09:19 AM (Cxk7w)
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I particular like "To Tame a Land" for some reason. My parent's were kind enough to get me the series of L'amour books for years and years. Even after he died, they kept on coming. I do read them, but mostly kept them on some shelves. I read the paperbacks.
Posted by: Quint at May 09, 2021 09:20 AM (aqif7)
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There's a comic book writer/publisher named Richard Meyers, who's got a hilarious YouTube channel called "Comics MATTER w/Ya Boi Zack." I watch his channel but I haven't read much of his comics. Anybody seen his stuff? I believe he's all self-published. Any good?
Posted by: Trimegistus at May 09, 2021 09:21 AM (QZxDR)
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I did leaf through "Film Noir Style: The Killer 40s"
Posted by: All Hail Eris
Thank you. I just bought the book on Kindle. Noir is my favorite, but hard to find new movies. But in the first pages of the book, The Lady from Shanghai is mentioned, and I have not seen that, so already a win.
Posted by: All Hail Eris
Thank you. I just bought the book on Kindle. Noir is my favorite, but hard to find new movies. But in the first pages of the book, The Lady from Shanghai is mentioned, and I have not seen that, so already a win.
Posted by: MikeM at May 09, 2021 09:21 AM (5kpOR)
Posted by: callsign claymore at May 09, 2021 09:22 AM (Ypy+s)
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And I think Ike approved Market-Garden because he got greedy, and Monty glossed over all the problems. After Falais Gap, they thought anything they tried would be a cakewalk.
Posted by: goatexchange at May 09, 2021 09:22 AM (TIMnZ)
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Ok, I obviously have a workaround but Pixy hasn't done a fucking thing to make the main page more usable on Apple browsers. In fact since the temporary site things are even worse.
Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at May 09, 2021 08:16 AM (y7DUB)
Just get an old laptop that runs Win XP, or go Linux.
Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at May 09, 2021 08:16 AM (y7DUB)
Just get an old laptop that runs Win XP, or go Linux.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 09, 2021 09:22 AM (su6Fw)
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 09, 2021 09:23 AM (u82oZ)
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IMHO, Elvira had a prettier face. And showed more cleavage.
Posted by: JAS, AoSHQ addict at May 09, 2021 09:12 AM (xopIz)
And a Ginger, underneath the wig.
Posted by: JAS, AoSHQ addict at May 09, 2021 09:12 AM (xopIz)
And a Ginger, underneath the wig.
Posted by: BignJames at May 09, 2021 09:25 AM (AwYPR)
Posted by: callsign claymore at May 09, 2021 09:26 AM (Ypy+s)
Posted by: humphreyrobot at May 09, 2021 09:27 AM (o89XP)
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goatexchange that would be my take also, they thought the German army was collapsing and any effort would succeed.
Posted by: Skip at May 09, 2021 09:27 AM (Cxk7w)
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Unlike that uptight square OregonMuse, I don't impose harsh moral strictures, or expect my readers to obey outmoded notions of decency.
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Finally !
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Finally !
Posted by: runner at May 09, 2021 09:27 AM (V13WU)
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Hey Skip, good morning. Thanks again to you specifically for the review. Cheers, sir.
Posted by: goatexchange at May 09, 2021 09:28 AM (TIMnZ)
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163 And I think Ike approved Market-Garden because he got greedy, and Monty glossed over all the problems. After Falais Gap, they thought anything they tried would be a cakewalk.
Posted by: goatexchange at May 09, 2021 09:22 AM (TIMnZ)
And here I thought it was approved because politics beat out good planning, and Churchill wanted a big British victory, hence Arnhem going to the British 1st Airborne and Monty and Browning over Patton (not even there) and Maxwell Taylor.
Posted by: goatexchange at May 09, 2021 09:22 AM (TIMnZ)
And here I thought it was approved because politics beat out good planning, and Churchill wanted a big British victory, hence Arnhem going to the British 1st Airborne and Monty and Browning over Patton (not even there) and Maxwell Taylor.
Posted by: CN at May 09, 2021 09:28 AM (ONvIw)
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If you do an image search for "Cassandra Peterson" (aka Elvira) with the safe search filters off you can find out for yourself exactly how many freckles she had, and where.
Posted by: Trimegistus at May 09, 2021 09:30 AM (QZxDR)
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Anyway I narrowed the laptop selction to either Pixy's suggestion of the Asus Zenbook with Ryzen 5, or a way cheaper Ryzen 3. I've used AMD for a while now and am not noting a big difference over intel.
Posted by: CN at May 09, 2021 09:31 AM (ONvIw)
Posted by: runner at May 09, 2021 09:31 AM (V13WU)
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If you don't want to contribute to the Bezos coffers, Cry Bullies is also available on Smashwords.
Posted by: SandyCheeks at May 09, 2021 09:31 AM (T2vnY)
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Also reading J.D. Salinger's short story collection
Nine Stories. That was his breakout book.
Posted by: Trimegistus at May 09, 2021 09:16 AM (QZxDR)
Yup! Far better than his more famous work, Catcher In The Rye.
Nine Stories. That was his breakout book.
Posted by: Trimegistus at May 09, 2021 09:16 AM (QZxDR)
Yup! Far better than his more famous work, Catcher In The Rye.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 09, 2021 09:32 AM (Q9lwr)
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Speaking of you Morons drooling over gingers, I see Tawny Kitaen died.
Posted by: Jordan61 at May 09, 2021 09:32 AM (s9fsa)
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So it seems as if several operations in the west were not as successful as hoped because the Germans kept fighting and weren't as ready to collapse as thought.
But at the same time we know that there were high-level Germans trying to cozy up to the Western allies and maybe arrange some kind of ceasefire or conditional surrender because they were terrified of the Russians.
So . . . how much of that effort was sincere, and how much was psyops?
But at the same time we know that there were high-level Germans trying to cozy up to the Western allies and maybe arrange some kind of ceasefire or conditional surrender because they were terrified of the Russians.
So . . . how much of that effort was sincere, and how much was psyops?
Posted by: Trimegistus at May 09, 2021 09:33 AM (QZxDR)
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I'll pass on the necro pants. Sounds like an rpg loot:
necro pants with scrotum bag
11AC
It puts the lotion on.
Any enemy that that views you in your necro pants takes 3d6 disgust damage.
Holds 55w items. If scrotum is placed within a magical bag of holding or a portable hole both scrotum and the other item are immediately destroyed and replaced with a portal to a fairly disgusting neighborhood of the astral plane.
necro pants with scrotum bag
11AC
It puts the lotion on.
Any enemy that that views you in your necro pants takes 3d6 disgust damage.
Holds 55w items. If scrotum is placed within a magical bag of holding or a portable hole both scrotum and the other item are immediately destroyed and replaced with a portal to a fairly disgusting neighborhood of the astral plane.
Posted by: banana Dream at May 09, 2021 09:33 AM (IN3jG)
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176 Cry Bullies appeals to me largely as a book validating pushback and to get others to be less wimpy.
Victimhood is now inheritable, and that pisses me off to no end.
Victimhood is now inheritable, and that pisses me off to no end.
Posted by: CN at May 09, 2021 09:33 AM (ONvIw)
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177 I hated Holden Caufield.
Posted by: CN at May 09, 2021 09:34 AM (ONvIw)
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Good morning everyone. Weather not cooperating as it is cloudy and kind of gloomy but I'm hoping will clear up by the time my son gets here.
Did not do a lot of reading this week but got 2 new ones including a book by an author recommended last week, The Accomplice by Elizabeth Ironside. Also got the new J.R. Ward. So, vampires before murder mystery.
I love my library.
Did not do a lot of reading this week but got 2 new ones including a book by an author recommended last week, The Accomplice by Elizabeth Ironside. Also got the new J.R. Ward. So, vampires before murder mystery.
I love my library.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 09, 2021 09:35 AM (sd8p8)
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If you do an image search for "Cassandra Peterson" (aka Elvira) with the safe search filters off you can find out for yourself exactly how many freckles she had, and where.
Posted by: Trimegistus
Well I have a thing for girls that have freckles, but shouldn't. But,so few that way so I compromise.
Posted by: Trimegistus
Well I have a thing for girls that have freckles, but shouldn't. But,so few that way so I compromise.
Posted by: humphreyrobot at May 09, 2021 09:35 AM (o89XP)
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Catcher in the Rye has not aged well. My wife and I, and both of our kids, absolutely despise Holden Caulfield. He doesn't come across as damaged or guilt-ridden or anything, just kind of an asshole.
Posted by: Trimegistus at May 09, 2021 09:35 AM (QZxDR)
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Queztion for the Horde: what is a good first biography to read abount Franco? I know nothing about Spain except Maturin spoke Catalan which isn't Spanish.
Posted by: Jamaica nyc at May 09, 2021 09:37 AM (b+v9B)
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I continued with the first Redwall book by Brian Jacques. It is delightful. Thanks to the many responses last week about the series.
Posted by: JTB at May 09, 2021 09:38 AM (7EjX1)
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Also I never thought about where the freckles are. But I love your projections. Meow
Posted by: humphreyrobot at May 09, 2021 09:38 AM (o89XP)
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The Catcher in the Rye is an awesome book if you are an obnoxious, butthurt teenager.
However, unlike many literature professors and Salinger himself, most of us, at some point, grow the fuck up.
However, unlike many literature professors and Salinger himself, most of us, at some point, grow the fuck up.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 09, 2021 09:39 AM (JZT2F)
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I downloaded the monster magazine pictured above. The first story was incredibly lame, with clangers on nearly every page. Two cities, 2500 miles apart, on a colony planet, with unsettled territory between them, and the protagonist gets a telegram from home? And then they "radio" Earth, from X number of light-years away, and get an immediate answer? Geeze, Louise.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 09, 2021 09:39 AM (su6Fw)
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177 I hated Holden Caufield.
Posted by: CN at May 09, 2021 09:34 AM (ONvIw)
I never read it. Through all my courses in high school and college, to be honest, no one asked us to read it. All this build up is too high. Even if I want to crap on it, no way will it live up to ideal. People's lives were changed? Crap, read Tacitus, Freeman, or Catton.
177 I hated Holden Caufield.
Posted by: CN at May 09, 2021 09:34 AM (ONvIw)
I never read it. Through all my courses in high school and college, to be honest, no one asked us to read it. All this build up is too high. Even if I want to crap on it, no way will it live up to ideal. People's lives were changed? Crap, read Tacitus, Freeman, or Catton.
Posted by: Quint at May 09, 2021 09:40 AM (aqif7)
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> He doesn't come across as damaged or guilt-ridden or anything, just kind of an asshole.
"OMG, I am SO ABUSED! My Dad is an INVESTMENT BANKER! I live in a LUXURY APARTMENT in Manhattan and get sent to all kinds of expensive PRIVATE SCHOOLS, which I keep getting kicked out of because I am a USELESS LITTLE SHIT!"
"OMG, I am SO ABUSED! My Dad is an INVESTMENT BANKER! I live in a LUXURY APARTMENT in Manhattan and get sent to all kinds of expensive PRIVATE SCHOOLS, which I keep getting kicked out of because I am a USELESS LITTLE SHIT!"
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 09, 2021 09:41 AM (JZT2F)
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You can stop reading WoT after Rand gets out of the box and go stright to the end. Using your imagination to connect the two pieces is more fun than slogging thru Jordan's verbiage.
Posted by: Jamaica nyc at May 09, 2021 09:42 AM (b+v9B)
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Posted by: Catherine at May 09, 2021 08:09 AM (41zFX)
One of the things I love about Elder Scrolls Online is the ability to buy and furnish houses. My houses *always* have lots of little areas with a chair and an end table with a book and a drink/snack. Of course, doing that cuts deeply into actual reading time so I've been listening to YouTube Old Time Radio stuff. Mostly the mysteries with a few other shows thrown in.
One of the things I love about Elder Scrolls Online is the ability to buy and furnish houses. My houses *always* have lots of little areas with a chair and an end table with a book and a drink/snack. Of course, doing that cuts deeply into actual reading time so I've been listening to YouTube Old Time Radio stuff. Mostly the mysteries with a few other shows thrown in.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at May 09, 2021 09:42 AM (1lKRm)
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Has anyone seen bing's Mother's Day photo. It's cute overload.
Posted by: banana Dream at May 09, 2021 09:42 AM (IN3jG)
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goatexchange it was only by slim chance noticed TMP, would be nice to put in a comment as authors there are numerous or at least are until some flame war and thin skin gets them booted or leave in a huff. But I appreciate them as they do help immensely with information I need.
Posted by: Skip at May 09, 2021 09:42 AM (Cxk7w)
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I remember a thread on Facebook some time ago about which literary character you would most enjoy punching in the face.
I'll start:
1) Holden Caulfield
2) Every character in The Great Gatsby
3) Every character in Wuthering Heights
You?
I'll start:
1) Holden Caulfield
2) Every character in The Great Gatsby
3) Every character in Wuthering Heights
You?
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 09, 2021 09:43 AM (JZT2F)
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The reason for Viking nicknames also applied to the German Mennonite culture I was born into. There was a limited variety of names available at one time.
A few nicknames I remember are Gumshoe Jake, who was the town drunk.
Then there was a guy known as Zipper Dyck and another guy called something like six wives seven lives Reimer.
Do towns still have drunks?
A few nicknames I remember are Gumshoe Jake, who was the town drunk.
Then there was a guy known as Zipper Dyck and another guy called something like six wives seven lives Reimer.
Do towns still have drunks?
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at May 09, 2021 09:43 AM (cSyAR)
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Catcher in the Rye's greatest achievement was serving as a tracking device for MKULTRA-programmed assassins in Mel Gibson's movie, Conspiracy Theory.
Caulfield stinks.
Caulfield stinks.
Posted by: callsign claymore at May 09, 2021 09:44 AM (Ypy+s)
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 09, 2021 09:44 AM (JZT2F)
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>>> You can stop reading WoT after Rand gets out of the box and go stright to the end. Using your imagination to connect the two pieces is more fun than slogging thru Jordan's verbiage.
Posted by: Jamaica nyc at May 09, 2021 09:42 AM (b+v9B)
I finished the series up to him escaping but haven't gone on from there. The number of characters and places was expanding exponentially and I realized I didn't even know who some of the people were. Thought I needed to start from the beginning and take notes or something but never got around to it.
Posted by: Jamaica nyc at May 09, 2021 09:42 AM (b+v9B)
I finished the series up to him escaping but haven't gone on from there. The number of characters and places was expanding exponentially and I realized I didn't even know who some of the people were. Thought I needed to start from the beginning and take notes or something but never got around to it.
Posted by: banana Dream at May 09, 2021 09:45 AM (IN3jG)
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"OMG, I am SO ABUSED! My Dad is an INVESTMENT BANKER! I live in a LUXURY APARTMENT in Manhattan and get sent to all kinds of expensive PRIVATE SCHOOLS, which I keep getting kicked out of because I am a USELESS LITTLE SHIT!"
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So today he would be Antifa?
"OMG, I am SO ABUSED! My Dad is an INVESTMENT BANKER! I live in a LUXURY APARTMENT in Manhattan and get sent to all kinds of expensive PRIVATE SCHOOLS, which I keep getting kicked out of because I am a USELESS LITTLE SHIT!"
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So today he would be Antifa?
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 09, 2021 09:45 AM (sd8p8)
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I am currently working on a reread of the Mitch Rapp series. Too bad we will not be getting any more of them. I am currently on book 13. RIP Vince Flynn.
Posted by: Vic
Not to beat a dead horse, but the casting in American Assassin was awful. The actor looked a guy Mitch Rapp would wipe off the bottom of his shoe.
Posted by: Vic
Not to beat a dead horse, but the casting in American Assassin was awful. The actor looked a guy Mitch Rapp would wipe off the bottom of his shoe.
Posted by: mot at May 09, 2021 09:45 AM (jad3h)
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 09, 2021 09:45 AM (JZT2F)
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Queztion for the Horde: what is a good first
biography to read abount Franco? I know nothing about Spain except
Maturin spoke Catalan which isn't Spanish.
Posted by: Jamaica nyc at May 09, 2021 09:37 AM (b+v9B)
THere is an old joke about Spain. Well it is a well worn joke, not a specific joke. The idea is someone asks two Spaniards if they come from the same place. They both reply, "hell no, we grew up ten miles apart". The point was to compare it to every Frenchman or Brit. Italians are more like the Spaniards. The joke is not a joke, but it sums up a lot about those "countries".
biography to read abount Franco? I know nothing about Spain except
Maturin spoke Catalan which isn't Spanish.
Posted by: Jamaica nyc at May 09, 2021 09:37 AM (b+v9B)
THere is an old joke about Spain. Well it is a well worn joke, not a specific joke. The idea is someone asks two Spaniards if they come from the same place. They both reply, "hell no, we grew up ten miles apart". The point was to compare it to every Frenchman or Brit. Italians are more like the Spaniards. The joke is not a joke, but it sums up a lot about those "countries".
Posted by: Quint at May 09, 2021 09:45 AM (aqif7)
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191: I think I might reread it, actually. I read it as a teenager and I have been told I "missed" all the parts which would have identified Holden as a sexual abuse victim.
Anyway, I have a thing against society's celebration and memorialization of abuse. And I hate, like hell, the current tendency to make it congenital. Today, one does not have to have actually experienced trauma to develop a mindset of the abused. I have known people for many years who internalized other peoples' experiences and recreated themselves as victims.
Anyway, I have a thing against society's celebration and memorialization of abuse. And I hate, like hell, the current tendency to make it congenital. Today, one does not have to have actually experienced trauma to develop a mindset of the abused. I have known people for many years who internalized other peoples' experiences and recreated themselves as victims.
Posted by: CN at May 09, 2021 09:45 AM (ONvIw)
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FWIW I hated Catcher in the Rye.
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at May 09, 2021 09:47 AM (cSyAR)
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I sense the dead hand of Freud clutching at Catcher in the Rye. Salinger was writing when Freud was still all the rage, so of course if Holden was an annoying, useless little shit it had to be because his parents were cold and distant.
It's amazing how theory can kill a story. In Salinger's WWII short stories, he's observing people and depicts PTSD before it was identified. I mentioned a couple of weeks ago that Hammett was showing a character with Asperger's before Asperger even wrote about it. Good writers can observe and depcit people and how they behave.
But let a Theory get hold of them -- especially the insidious Viennese -- and they start twisting reality to fit the Theory.
It's amazing how theory can kill a story. In Salinger's WWII short stories, he's observing people and depicts PTSD before it was identified. I mentioned a couple of weeks ago that Hammett was showing a character with Asperger's before Asperger even wrote about it. Good writers can observe and depcit people and how they behave.
But let a Theory get hold of them -- especially the insidious Viennese -- and they start twisting reality to fit the Theory.
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I have been to Spain and to be honest I love the place. I have been around but that place in particular holds special place for me. I am not alone, lot's of author's got lost there. I keep saying I am going to read Pettigrew's "Notes on Spain and the Spaniards" It is about time I stop talking shit, and get on with it.
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179 Trimegistus
An older, but still valuable, book, Bodyguard of Lies, by Daily Mail journalist Anthony Brown, has quite a bit of information about the German opposition in govt and argues a lot of it was centered upon Admiral Canaris of the German intel organization Abwehr. This was released shortly after the wall of secrecy came down about Ultra.
Brown also gets into British and later Allied government misinformation campaigns which is still a quite a sensitive subject even today. There are some later books that cover specifics of particular individuals and some that cover a particular operation such as the Man That Never Was, but Brown has a broad overview with documented sources and interviews that often official biographies and histories, etc. were limited by various govt and individual interference with providing unvarnished accounts. Some criticize Brown for too much detail while other argue that some of his conclusions were not valid. So take my opinion for what it is worth.
An older, but still valuable, book, Bodyguard of Lies, by Daily Mail journalist Anthony Brown, has quite a bit of information about the German opposition in govt and argues a lot of it was centered upon Admiral Canaris of the German intel organization Abwehr. This was released shortly after the wall of secrecy came down about Ultra.
Brown also gets into British and later Allied government misinformation campaigns which is still a quite a sensitive subject even today. There are some later books that cover specifics of particular individuals and some that cover a particular operation such as the Man That Never Was, but Brown has a broad overview with documented sources and interviews that often official biographies and histories, etc. were limited by various govt and individual interference with providing unvarnished accounts. Some criticize Brown for too much detail while other argue that some of his conclusions were not valid. So take my opinion for what it is worth.
Posted by: whig at May 09, 2021 09:49 AM (pO7gM)
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197. I'd smack around a lot of literary characters, but then again, I think that's sort of the author's intent.
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"OMG, I am SO ABUSED! My Dad is an INVESTMENT BANKER! I live in a LUXURY APARTMENT in Manhattan and get sent to all kinds of expensive PRIVATE SCHOOLS, which I keep getting kicked out of because I am a USELESS LITTLE SHIT!"
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So today he would be Antifa?
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 09, 2021 09:45 AM (sd8p
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He's down with the struggle. Besides, gives him a chance to wear those designer hoodies and masks he picked up at Saks last week.
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So today he would be Antifa?
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 09, 2021 09:45 AM (sd8p
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He's down with the struggle. Besides, gives him a chance to wear those designer hoodies and masks he picked up at Saks last week.
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You all have long memories. The only book I remember truly hating was ......Geez, I forget but his name begins with a C and I think it was about a jungle.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 09, 2021 09:49 AM (sd8p8)
Posted by: rhennigantx at May 09, 2021 09:49 AM (yrol0)
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> I know nothing about Spain except
Maturin spoke Catalan which isn't Spanish.
I liked the part where Maturin's godfather refused to speak Spanish unless he was "abroad", meaning in Castile.
Maturin spoke Catalan which isn't Spanish.
I liked the part where Maturin's godfather refused to speak Spanish unless he was "abroad", meaning in Castile.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 09, 2021 09:49 AM (JZT2F)
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KENTUCKY DERBY
WINNER MEDINA SPIRIT TESTS POSITIVE FOR STEROIDS
Posted by: rhennigantx at May 09, 2021 09:49 AM (yrol0)
But the victory was "certified", we cannot possibly take it away /s
WINNER MEDINA SPIRIT TESTS POSITIVE FOR STEROIDS
Posted by: rhennigantx at May 09, 2021 09:49 AM (yrol0)
But the victory was "certified", we cannot possibly take it away /s
Posted by: CN at May 09, 2021 09:50 AM (ONvIw)
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I slogged my way through Crossroads of Twilight,
book ten in the WOT series by Robert Jordan. Six hundred and eighty
pages and story didn't seem to move very far, if at all.
Posted by: Zoltan at May 09, 2021 09:01 AM (kiyX4)
Book 11 picks up quite a bit. Books 12-14 don't stop AT ALL. They MOVE, but the pacing doesn't quite take your breath away. You won't regret reading them, I promise.
book ten in the WOT series by Robert Jordan. Six hundred and eighty
pages and story didn't seem to move very far, if at all.
Posted by: Zoltan at May 09, 2021 09:01 AM (kiyX4)
Book 11 picks up quite a bit. Books 12-14 don't stop AT ALL. They MOVE, but the pacing doesn't quite take your breath away. You won't regret reading them, I promise.
Posted by: Lord Squirrel at May 09, 2021 09:50 AM (hQrcu)
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I use Brave on both my macbook and iphone.
No issues.
Posted by: SMH at May 09, 2021 08:23 AM (FdY5T)
Interestin
For whatever reason I can't find an iPad version, probably because there isn't one. I'll just keep using Safari with the JavaScript off until I browse elsewhere. And install Brave on my iPhone.
Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at May 09, 2021 08:33 AM (y7DUB)
Interesting story. I have a new laptop and am out of state. I tried to order something on the family Amazon account and was notified my password wasn't correct. The notice sent to my husband's phone said that "someone using Chrome" had tried to access our account from blah, blah, blah.
I never loaded Chrome onto the laptop. I use Brave.
No issues.
Posted by: SMH at May 09, 2021 08:23 AM (FdY5T)
Interestin
For whatever reason I can't find an iPad version, probably because there isn't one. I'll just keep using Safari with the JavaScript off until I browse elsewhere. And install Brave on my iPhone.
Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at May 09, 2021 08:33 AM (y7DUB)
Interesting story. I have a new laptop and am out of state. I tried to order something on the family Amazon account and was notified my password wasn't correct. The notice sent to my husband's phone said that "someone using Chrome" had tried to access our account from blah, blah, blah.
I never loaded Chrome onto the laptop. I use Brave.
Posted by: SandyCheeks at May 09, 2021 09:51 AM (T2vnY)
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So I am trying Malazan GARDENS OF THE MOON, I like the magic system WARENS where the mage rips a hole in the fabric of space and draws power but if you stay or open it too long you go insane, and depending on your affinity you can control Fire, earth and it even goes by race and the Gods. The Empire is expanding (think ROME) and the Empress killed the last Emperor and is purging the Empire of the former elements.
The book starts off as a murder mystery where a whole village is slaughtered along with a legion and The Adjunct suspects the Gods are involved but she doesn't know who, the Adjunct is Evil along with the Empress, Bridge Burners a corp of the last of the Emporer's favorites are sent to a town to be killed or fail. Then their is MOONSPAWN a floating Island that is against the Empire and "King" of MOONSPAWN decides to help those opposing the empire.
It's different and I am having to watch some YouTube videos in order help with all the Characters and with the magic systems
The book starts off as a murder mystery where a whole village is slaughtered along with a legion and The Adjunct suspects the Gods are involved but she doesn't know who, the Adjunct is Evil along with the Empress, Bridge Burners a corp of the last of the Emporer's favorites are sent to a town to be killed or fail. Then their is MOONSPAWN a floating Island that is against the Empire and "King" of MOONSPAWN decides to help those opposing the empire.
It's different and I am having to watch some YouTube videos in order help with all the Characters and with the magic systems
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at May 09, 2021 09:51 AM (dKiJG)
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You all have long memories. The only book I remember truly hating was ......Geez, I forget but his name begins with a C and I think it was about a jungle.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice)
The Canterbury Tales? Not sure about the jungle part, but I hated it.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice)
The Canterbury Tales? Not sure about the jungle part, but I hated it.
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210 I have been to Spain and to be honest I love the place. I have been around but that place in particular holds special place for me. I am not alone, lot's of author's got lost there. I keep saying I am going to read Pettigrew's "Notes on Spain and the Spaniards" It is about time I stop talking shit, and get on with it.
Posted by: Quint at May 09, 2021 09:49 AM (aqif7)
Never been to Spain but I been to Oklahoma
Posted by: Quint at May 09, 2021 09:49 AM (aqif7)
Never been to Spain but I been to Oklahoma
Posted by: rhennigantx at May 09, 2021 09:51 AM (yrol0)
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> I never loaded Chrome onto the laptop. I use Brave.
Brave is based on the Chrome engine, which is open-source.
Brave is based on the Chrome engine, which is open-source.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 09, 2021 09:51 AM (JZT2F)
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I believe they're called "urban campers" nowadays.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia
It made me happy to read yesterday about Venice Beach CA. Apparently all the homeless encampments are making the area unlivable. Can not go out at night, businesses being shut down. Could not happen to a more deserving group of home owners.
https://tinyurl.com/ert87z7k
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia
It made me happy to read yesterday about Venice Beach CA. Apparently all the homeless encampments are making the area unlivable. Can not go out at night, businesses being shut down. Could not happen to a more deserving group of home owners.
https://tinyurl.com/ert87z7k
Posted by: MikeM at May 09, 2021 09:52 AM (5kpOR)
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Queztion for the Horde: what is a good first
biography to read abount Franco? I know nothing about Spain except
Maturin spoke Catalan which isn't Spanish.
Posted by: Jamaica nyc at May 09, 2021 09:37 AM (b+v9B)
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The definitive biography of Franco is the one co-authored by Stanley G. Payne.
The one weakness of Payne's book is that he doesn't study Franco's military strategy in detail other than to note many of his colleagues disparaged him. My book, Long Live Death, is to my knowledge the only one that takes an even-handed approach on his military qualities.
biography to read abount Franco? I know nothing about Spain except
Maturin spoke Catalan which isn't Spanish.
Posted by: Jamaica nyc at May 09, 2021 09:37 AM (b+v9B)
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The definitive biography of Franco is the one co-authored by Stanley G. Payne.
The one weakness of Payne's book is that he doesn't study Franco's military strategy in detail other than to note many of his colleagues disparaged him. My book, Long Live Death, is to my knowledge the only one that takes an even-handed approach on his military qualities.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 09, 2021 09:53 AM (llXky)
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I loved "Catcher in the Rye." Holden wasn't an asshole to the nuns or the young hooker.
He was grieving the death of his little brother. His parents didn't even take him to his funeral. He ends up in a Mental hospital because nobody gave him any grief counselling.
He was grieving the death of his little brother. His parents didn't even take him to his funeral. He ends up in a Mental hospital because nobody gave him any grief counselling.
Posted by: JAS, AoSHQ addict at May 09, 2021 09:53 AM (xopIz)
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I checked out the Bing homepage to see the cute photo. Very nice. But then I looked at some of the featured links.
My absolute fave was a bunch of articles about Scarlett Johansen criticizing the Hollywood Foreign Press Association (I think they give out one of the awards) for "sexism." All the articles included a photo of her at some awards show, wearing a dress with a neckline down to her sternum.
Honey, if it wasn't for the "Male Gaze" you'd be working at Best Buy right now.
My absolute fave was a bunch of articles about Scarlett Johansen criticizing the Hollywood Foreign Press Association (I think they give out one of the awards) for "sexism." All the articles included a photo of her at some awards show, wearing a dress with a neckline down to her sternum.
Honey, if it wasn't for the "Male Gaze" you'd be working at Best Buy right now.
Posted by: Trimegistus at May 09, 2021 09:54 AM (QZxDR)
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I'd punch Ishmael.Three words not found in Moby Dick: taciturn, succinct and concise.
Posted by: Jamaica nyc at May 09, 2021 09:54 AM (b+v9B)
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Oh, wait. Heart of Darkness. Joseph Conrad. Can't believe that just popped up. Unbelievable what the mind holds onto.
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G.K. Chesterton had a very low opinion of Kipling. Kipling never understood English culture because he never lived in England.
Posted by: JAS, AoSHQ addict at May 09, 2021 09:55 AM (xopIz)
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KENTUCKY DERBY
WINNER MEDINA SPIRIT TESTS POSITIVE FOR STEROIDS
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That's 2 crazy Derby's in a row. Remember the (first female) official reversing the results last year b/c she deemed interference?
WINNER MEDINA SPIRIT TESTS POSITIVE FOR STEROIDS
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That's 2 crazy Derby's in a row. Remember the (first female) official reversing the results last year b/c she deemed interference?
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 09, 2021 09:56 AM (7Fj9P)
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Back from a Mother's Day constitutional with the lovely and athletic Mrs naturalfake.
Anything new? Lessee...
Anything new? Lessee...
Posted by: naturalfake at May 09, 2021 09:56 AM (dWwl8)
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> Hollywood Foreign Press Association (I think they give out one of the awards)
Golden Globes.
It was originally a scam... the FPA journos got together and invented an "award" so they'd have an excuse to have a big drunken party and bill the cost to their employers.
If I remember right, the first few Golden Globe events handed out "awards" to any Hollywood star who was willing to come out and get drunk with them.
Golden Globes.
It was originally a scam... the FPA journos got together and invented an "award" so they'd have an excuse to have a big drunken party and bill the cost to their employers.
If I remember right, the first few Golden Globe events handed out "awards" to any Hollywood star who was willing to come out and get drunk with them.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 09, 2021 09:57 AM (JZT2F)
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you Franco Philes see what I did there? know way more about Franco than I do. My love for Spain is about all the rest. It is good we have so man that have different interests.We are lucky so many are skilled at what they do
Posted by: Quint at May 09, 2021 09:57 AM (aqif7)
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I rarely contribute to the book thread because I am usually reading several chapters of non fiction books at the same period of time over several weeks. Reread Manchester and Reid's Last Lion chapters regarding WWII, reread Dashell Hammett's, Red Harvest and the Thin Man, re-read some specific chapters dealing with the Mercury program in Flight, a biography by NASA Mission Control creator Chris Kraft, and currently reading Antonia Fraser's Cromwell biography for the first time.
Finished two short legal histories of early America dealing with the Salem Witch trials in particular and a history of law in colonial America by legal historian Peter Hoffer.
Finished two short legal histories of early America dealing with the Salem Witch trials in particular and a history of law in colonial America by legal historian Peter Hoffer.
Posted by: whig at May 09, 2021 09:57 AM (pO7gM)
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228 Please tell me about the grief counselling available in the mid 1940s.
Posted by: CN at May 09, 2021 09:57 AM (ONvIw)
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No one is honest in any sport
Posted by: Skip at May 09, 2021 09:58 AM (Cxk7w)
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I liked Catcher in the Rye when I was in hs because I too was a self-pitying, angst-ridden adolescent and so could relate. Actually, looking back I think 2 things impressed me about the novel then. One was the tone and style. Holden sounded like an actual teen; he swore, and some parts of the books are quite funny - his conversation with the shouty cab driver about what happens to fish when it freezes outside, for example. And I was also struck by the glamour of his life, although Holden didn't see it. It wasn't just that he came from a wealthy Manhattan family. It was that teens then, just prior to rock and roll, still tried to mimic adults. Taking cabs, going dancing at the Rainbow Room and drinking mixed drinks, wearing suits and dresses - my generation seemed grubby in comparison. I also got that feeling looking at my mom's '42 yearbook - and those were not rich kids but blue collar boys and girls. The girls still wore dresses and lipstick and pearl earrings and the boys wore suits and ties.
Posted by: Donna&&&&&V at May 09, 2021 09:58 AM (HabA/)
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JAS: I'm sure that's Salinger's intent, but that's not what he accomplished. Most of us find it very hard to sympathize with Holden. In fact, I'm guessing a lot of the Book Horde right now are thinking "Not hard to see WHY his parents didn't take him to the funeral. The last thing you want when you're mourning a child is to have Drama Queen Holden making it all about him."
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> 228 Please tell me about the grief counselling available in the mid 1940s.
Pretty sure priests and ministers were doing that long before the 1940s?
Pretty sure priests and ministers were doing that long before the 1940s?
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 09, 2021 09:58 AM (JZT2F)
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Oh, wait. Heart of Darkness. Joseph Conrad. Can't believe that just popped up. Unbelievable what the mind holds onto.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 09, 2021 09:55 AM (sd8p
a great and important book. I am glad I read it.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 09, 2021 09:55 AM (sd8p
a great and important book. I am glad I read it.
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K. Chesterton had a very low opinion of Kipling. Kipling never understood English culture because he never lived in England.
Posted by: JAS, AoSHQ addict at May 09, 2021 09:55 AM (xopIz)
Kipling understood English colonial culture quite well.
Posted by: JAS, AoSHQ addict at May 09, 2021 09:55 AM (xopIz)
Kipling understood English colonial culture quite well.
Posted by: Can't help myself at May 09, 2021 09:59 AM (2DOZq)
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I haven't been reading as much this week, having reached the end of first draft on a Champions scenario, but when I can I read some of The Unit by Paul Battaglia.
Its a book about Texan police in the early 80s drafted from various precincts onto a Drug Task Force. The background info, the bureaucratics, the personalities, the inside baseball stuff all really feel like this is semi-biographical but is a very entertaining read.
Also I've been reading bits of Road to Serfdom which I've been reading off and on for like 15 years, never finished.
Its a book about Texan police in the early 80s drafted from various precincts onto a Drug Task Force. The background info, the bureaucratics, the personalities, the inside baseball stuff all really feel like this is semi-biographical but is a very entertaining read.
Also I've been reading bits of Road to Serfdom which I've been reading off and on for like 15 years, never finished.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 09, 2021 09:59 AM (KZzsI)
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BTW, Happy Mother's Day to all motherly 'ettes!
Posted by: Donna&&&&&V at May 09, 2021 09:59 AM (HabA/)
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AH Lloyd: Payne came up first on Amazon but I don't trust Amazon.
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Oh, wait. Heart of Darkness. Joseph Conrad. Can't believe that just popped up. Unbelievable what the mind holds onto.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 09, 2021
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When I was in high school, not only did we read Heart of Darkness, we then watched Apocalypse Now in class and had to write a critique on what the movie got right and what it got wrong.
Impossible to do that today.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 09, 2021
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When I was in high school, not only did we read Heart of Darkness, we then watched Apocalypse Now in class and had to write a critique on what the movie got right and what it got wrong.
Impossible to do that today.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 09, 2021 10:00 AM (llXky)
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> Kipling never understood English culture because he never lived in England.
While I like Chesterton just fine, I think by the time he and Kipling came along, "English culture" was a worldwide thing, not limited to England.
I mean, England was only a tiny patch in the gigantic sea of red that was the British Empire.
While I like Chesterton just fine, I think by the time he and Kipling came along, "English culture" was a worldwide thing, not limited to England.
I mean, England was only a tiny patch in the gigantic sea of red that was the British Empire.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 09, 2021 10:00 AM (JZT2F)
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Kipling understood English colonial culture quite well.
Posted by: Can't help myself at May 09, 2021 09:59 AM (2DOZq)
no chance I will go after Chesterton. I get these guys would get into petty squabbles. But for sure Kipling has meant more to me.
Posted by: Can't help myself at May 09, 2021 09:59 AM (2DOZq)
no chance I will go after Chesterton. I get these guys would get into petty squabbles. But for sure Kipling has meant more to me.
Posted by: Quint at May 09, 2021 10:01 AM (aqif7)
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Posted by: Donna&&&&&V at May 09, 2021 09:58 AM (HabA/)
Donna of the Ampersands nails it. I was sitting here struggling to explain what it is about The Catcher in the Rye that I liked, and you did a beautiful job. Thanks!
Donna of the Ampersands nails it. I was sitting here struggling to explain what it is about The Catcher in the Rye that I liked, and you did a beautiful job. Thanks!
Posted by: Jordan61 at May 09, 2021 10:01 AM (s9fsa)
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AH Lloyd: Payne came up first on Amazon but I don't trust Amazon.
Posted by: Jamaica nyc at May 09, 2021 10:00 AM (b+v9B)
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Payne's is the definitive work, and a crucial source for my research on the Spanish Civil War. He also writes guest pieces at First Things, so he's on the right team.
Posted by: Jamaica nyc at May 09, 2021 10:00 AM (b+v9B)
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Payne's is the definitive work, and a crucial source for my research on the Spanish Civil War. He also writes guest pieces at First Things, so he's on the right team.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 09, 2021 10:02 AM (llXky)
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Pretty sure priests and ministers were doing that long before the 1940s?
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 09, 2021 09:58 AM (JZT2F)
Given Holden's general distaste for authority figures, I shouldn't think he'd have accepted another. And in 1945-6, perhaps they were busy with vets and the huge losses associated with WWII.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 09, 2021 09:58 AM (JZT2F)
Given Holden's general distaste for authority figures, I shouldn't think he'd have accepted another. And in 1945-6, perhaps they were busy with vets and the huge losses associated with WWII.
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>>> My absolute fave was a bunch of articles about Scarlett Johansen criticizing the Hollywood Foreign Press Association (I think they give out one of the awards) for "sexism." All the articles included a photo of her at some awards show, wearing a dress with a neckline down to her sternum.
Honey, if it wasn't for the "Male Gaze" you'd be working at Best Buy right now.
Posted by: Trimegistus at May 09, 2021 09:54 AM (QZxDR)
I never look at those links. I even minimize it when I can. It's always propaganda, probably provided by msnbc.
If you have a windows 10 computer Microsoft is rolling out a silent update that will start pushing their news at you in the taskbar. It started this week for many people. You can right-click the taskbar, select news, and interests, and turn it off. For now. It's the same thing they push on bing but now to your desktop. Initially, it will look like a little weather icon with a cloud, sun, rain, etc.. and the temperature.
Honey, if it wasn't for the "Male Gaze" you'd be working at Best Buy right now.
Posted by: Trimegistus at May 09, 2021 09:54 AM (QZxDR)
I never look at those links. I even minimize it when I can. It's always propaganda, probably provided by msnbc.
If you have a windows 10 computer Microsoft is rolling out a silent update that will start pushing their news at you in the taskbar. It started this week for many people. You can right-click the taskbar, select news, and interests, and turn it off. For now. It's the same thing they push on bing but now to your desktop. Initially, it will look like a little weather icon with a cloud, sun, rain, etc.. and the temperature.
Posted by: banana Dream at May 09, 2021 10:03 AM (pnzcV)
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When I was in high school, not only did we read Heart of Darkness, we then watched Apocalypse Now in class and had to write a critique on what the movie got right and what it got wrong.
The only movie I remember watching in high school English was Romeo and Juliet.
When I was in high school, not only did we read Heart of Darkness, we then watched Apocalypse Now in class and had to write a critique on what the movie got right and what it got wrong.
The only movie I remember watching in high school English was Romeo and Juliet.
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at May 09, 2021 10:03 AM (cSyAR)
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Impossible to do that today.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 09, 2021 10:00 AM (llXky)
we watched A Soldier's Story in High School. That would not happen today either. But you know what? The line I hate more than anything else is "we couldn't do that today". That is on libs and conservatives. The only reason so much is banned today is we choose to go along with it. You can't say something "couldn't be made today: unless you are tacitly agreeing with that viewpoint.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 09, 2021 10:00 AM (llXky)
we watched A Soldier's Story in High School. That would not happen today either. But you know what? The line I hate more than anything else is "we couldn't do that today". That is on libs and conservatives. The only reason so much is banned today is we choose to go along with it. You can't say something "couldn't be made today: unless you are tacitly agreeing with that viewpoint.
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I find it hard to sympathize with Holden now, but I didn't find it hard to do so when I was 15 or so. I wonder sometimes if people who say they hated Catcher in the Rye aren't projecting their adult exasperation with him backwards, because most of my friends also really enjoyed the book when they were in their teens. Holden only became insufferable to me when I reread the novel years later. Steinbeck, another author I loved when I was a teen, also has not aged well. The two writers who made a great impression on me as a teen and still hold up well are Fitzgerald and Kafka.
Posted by: Donna&&&&&V at May 09, 2021 10:05 AM (HabA/)
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A book I did not finish recently was Accidental Presidents: Eight Men Who Changed America by Jared Cohen. Its fairly interesting in terms of deep insider info on the presidency of guys like Tyler and Truman, with tons of historical data.
The book is about presidents who became that position from the Vice Presidency because something happened to the sitting president (assassination, death from old age, etc).
The problem with the book is that it has like a dozen historical errors in it, just in the parts I've read. They aren't huge ones (like claiming Lincoln was a Senator) but they are in the book which makes me distrust what else he says.
Plus the guy has a slight tilt to his outlook. He claims Coolidge did all this unconstitutional stuff -- but doesn't mention any -- then goes on for page after page defending FDR's antics without even mentioning how brutally he violated the constitution. He writes nothing at all about Gerald Ford, for some reason, then claims at the end of the book that its likely Trump will be removed from office making Pence the ninth "accidental president" (10th, in reality) over the Russia, Russia, Russia crap.
The book is about presidents who became that position from the Vice Presidency because something happened to the sitting president (assassination, death from old age, etc).
The problem with the book is that it has like a dozen historical errors in it, just in the parts I've read. They aren't huge ones (like claiming Lincoln was a Senator) but they are in the book which makes me distrust what else he says.
Plus the guy has a slight tilt to his outlook. He claims Coolidge did all this unconstitutional stuff -- but doesn't mention any -- then goes on for page after page defending FDR's antics without even mentioning how brutally he violated the constitution. He writes nothing at all about Gerald Ford, for some reason, then claims at the end of the book that its likely Trump will be removed from office making Pence the ninth "accidental president" (10th, in reality) over the Russia, Russia, Russia crap.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 09, 2021 10:05 AM (KZzsI)
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2) Every character in The Great Gatsby
The appeal of Fitzgerald's books has continually puzzled me.
The appeal of Fitzgerald's books has continually puzzled me.
Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at May 09, 2021 10:05 AM (y7DUB)
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I recognize the Hotel Emma in San Antonio - it has an interesting library and great place to sit and read and people watch.
3 recs today!
2 are prior horde recs that I finally read...
Veritas, the story of a Harvard professor, a con man and the gospel of Jesus's Wife. Great story written by a true investigative reporter who would not be put off the trail. His take on religion is not clear ( good, I guess) but ultimately he skewers the Harvard faculty and others like them. Their condenscention about what us stupid, uneducated, little believers "believe" and how they have the right/duty to alter our beliefs through lies is maddening but seems oh, so true.
One Second After. Good fast moving story of the/an end-time. Not great literature but engaging story with some helpful preparation thoughts. (No. 1- an old car that doesn't rely on computers).
Last one- Taking Mr. Exxon. Hubby read it in one day, said it is entirely engaging. Highly recommends.
Happy Birth Givers Day to the horde!
3 recs today!
2 are prior horde recs that I finally read...
Veritas, the story of a Harvard professor, a con man and the gospel of Jesus's Wife. Great story written by a true investigative reporter who would not be put off the trail. His take on religion is not clear ( good, I guess) but ultimately he skewers the Harvard faculty and others like them. Their condenscention about what us stupid, uneducated, little believers "believe" and how they have the right/duty to alter our beliefs through lies is maddening but seems oh, so true.
One Second After. Good fast moving story of the/an end-time. Not great literature but engaging story with some helpful preparation thoughts. (No. 1- an old car that doesn't rely on computers).
Last one- Taking Mr. Exxon. Hubby read it in one day, said it is entirely engaging. Highly recommends.
Happy Birth Givers Day to the horde!
Posted by: LASue at May 09, 2021 10:06 AM (Ed8Zd)
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I'm simplifying it but I hate that the losers have been able to 'write the history' of the Spanish Civil War.
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Pretty sure priests and ministers were doing that long before the 1940s?
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 09, 2021 09:58 AM (JZT2F)
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The upper crust led the drift away from religion, perhaps because they were so confident that SCIENCE had all the answers. Faith was for the rubes. Maybe it was an outgrowth of residual Calvinism that they were the Elect - not of God, but of the human species. You still see that today.
Certainly society was better set up back then for coping with hardship and loss - if for no other reason that they has so much of it.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 09, 2021 09:58 AM (JZT2F)
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The upper crust led the drift away from religion, perhaps because they were so confident that SCIENCE had all the answers. Faith was for the rubes. Maybe it was an outgrowth of residual Calvinism that they were the Elect - not of God, but of the human species. You still see that today.
Certainly society was better set up back then for coping with hardship and loss - if for no other reason that they has so much of it.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 09, 2021 10:07 AM (llXky)
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So where do famous writers go now when they are slumming?
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Steinbeck, another author I loved when I was a teen, also has not aged well.
I never really liked his major novels, it was stuff like Travels with Charley and his King Arthur translation that I enjoyed.
Its like Kipling, I do not really like many of his stories (although the Jungle Books are wonderful), but his poetry is magnificent. Ordinarily I do not like poetry.
I never really liked his major novels, it was stuff like Travels with Charley and his King Arthur translation that I enjoyed.
Its like Kipling, I do not really like many of his stories (although the Jungle Books are wonderful), but his poetry is magnificent. Ordinarily I do not like poetry.
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I read, and liked, The Illustrated Man in high school. I tried to reread it recently and didn't enjoy it.
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Its like Kipling, I do not really like many of his stories (although the Jungle Books are wonderful), but his poetry is magnificent. Ordinarily I do not like poetry.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 09, 2021 10:08 AM (KZzsI)
Captains Courageous is my favorite book .
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 09, 2021 10:08 AM (KZzsI)
Captains Courageous is my favorite book .
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Book involving jungle --
Did Upton Sinclair write a book titled "The Jungle" or "The Concrete Jungle"?
Did Upton Sinclair write a book titled "The Jungle" or "The Concrete Jungle"?
Posted by: Weak Geek at May 09, 2021 10:09 AM (V5lmZ)
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Steinbeck, another author I loved when I was a teen, also has not aged well.
I never really liked his major novels, it was stuff like Travels with Charley and his King Arthur translation that I enjoyed.
Someone here raved up his short stories iirc.
I never really liked his major novels, it was stuff like Travels with Charley and his King Arthur translation that I enjoyed.
Someone here raved up his short stories iirc.
Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at May 09, 2021 10:09 AM (y7DUB)
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My dislike of Holden comes from his lack of appreciation for his posh background and opportunities. Many people experienced losses without the ahem, great privileges life bestowed upon Holden.
As for funerals, some families didn't send kids as a matter of principle. It may not have been wise, but there it was. One of my older cousins died at age 14 in a car accident and we were not allowed to attend and neither were his two youngest siblings. They turned out fine with no hatred of adults as a result.
As for funerals, some families didn't send kids as a matter of principle. It may not have been wise, but there it was. One of my older cousins died at age 14 in a car accident and we were not allowed to attend and neither were his two youngest siblings. They turned out fine with no hatred of adults as a result.
Posted by: CN at May 09, 2021 10:09 AM (ONvIw)
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People love pretending to be cynically misanthropic.
In the defense of the WW1 ExPats they watched a much better civilization than what followed blow its brains out over inbred aristocrats' political leverage.
Fitzgerald's world ended in 1929, and arguably it ended a decade earlier.
He was fortunate he died in 1940 he would have blown his brains out after 1969 I think.
People love pretending to be cynically misanthropic.
In the defense of the WW1 ExPats they watched a much better civilization than what followed blow its brains out over inbred aristocrats' political leverage.
Fitzgerald's world ended in 1929, and arguably it ended a decade earlier.
He was fortunate he died in 1940 he would have blown his brains out after 1969 I think.
Posted by: sven at May 09, 2021 10:10 AM (Lzpvj)
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Great Gatsby kind of works if you approach it like it's a Tom Wolfe story -- you're supposed to dislike all these people and F. Scott is inviting you to snicker along with him. The Old Money crowd are idiots and the New Money types are crooks. In essence, he's doing fictionalized reporting.
But high school teachers all go haring off after the doomed romance between Gatsby and Daisy because they all remember how cute Robert Redford looked in the movie.
But high school teachers all go haring off after the doomed romance between Gatsby and Daisy because they all remember how cute Robert Redford looked in the movie.
Posted by: Trimegistus at May 09, 2021 10:10 AM (QZxDR)
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Everyone shut your eyes, I have to clean my screen
Posted by: Skip at May 09, 2021 10:11 AM (Cxk7w)
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The line I hate more than anything else is "we
couldn't do that today". That is on libs and conservatives.
Posted by: Quint at May 09, 2021 10:04 AM (aqif7)
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First off, I used that language because my kids attend the same high school I did. So yes, doing that would be impossible today because of the changes in the outlook of the faculty.
Liberals in particular have gone round the bend. When I was young, the goal of an education was to challenge you and liberals in particular delighted in provocation but also spirited argument. Now it's all conformity all the time. Showing a controversial movie was viewed by parents and teachers alike as a good thing. Now it would be 'triggering.'
couldn't do that today". That is on libs and conservatives.
Posted by: Quint at May 09, 2021 10:04 AM (aqif7)
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First off, I used that language because my kids attend the same high school I did. So yes, doing that would be impossible today because of the changes in the outlook of the faculty.
Liberals in particular have gone round the bend. When I was young, the goal of an education was to challenge you and liberals in particular delighted in provocation but also spirited argument. Now it's all conformity all the time. Showing a controversial movie was viewed by parents and teachers alike as a good thing. Now it would be 'triggering.'
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 09, 2021 10:11 AM (llXky)
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Remember the pastor yelling GET OUT to the police who came to warn him not to worship God?
They just arrested him in Canada.
https://tinyurl.com/3t8w9y
They just arrested him in Canada.
https://tinyurl.com/3t8w9y
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 09, 2021 10:11 AM (KZzsI)
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It has merit as a propaganda piece, I of course appreciated "Oil", and of course I would be curious what the commie curious muckraker with the current captured press would view modern journalism as.
It has merit as a propaganda piece, I of course appreciated "Oil", and of course I would be curious what the commie curious muckraker with the current captured press would view modern journalism as.
Posted by: sven at May 09, 2021 10:11 AM (Lzpvj)
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Had a nice comment all written up on my iPad, clicked on post, and got an error message, in red, that was longer than my post. Grrrr....
I read "The Yiddish Policemen's Union" by Michael Chabon. It's a murder mystery set in an alt-universe where Israel lost the war in 1948 and the U.S. let them settle as an autonomouse zone (think Hong Kong) in Sitka, Alaska. The story takes place some 60 years later when the U.S. is getting ready to reclaim Sitka and no one in the Jewish community is quite sure what is going to happen to them.
Lots of noir-ish elements. If you enjoyed "Noir," recommended here a couple of months ago, you'll probably enjoy this one. There is a glossary of Yiddish words at the end of the book, which I didn't discover until I finished reading--one of the disadvantages of reading the ebook version (from my local library).
I read "The Yiddish Policemen's Union" by Michael Chabon. It's a murder mystery set in an alt-universe where Israel lost the war in 1948 and the U.S. let them settle as an autonomouse zone (think Hong Kong) in Sitka, Alaska. The story takes place some 60 years later when the U.S. is getting ready to reclaim Sitka and no one in the Jewish community is quite sure what is going to happen to them.
Lots of noir-ish elements. If you enjoyed "Noir," recommended here a couple of months ago, you'll probably enjoy this one. There is a glossary of Yiddish words at the end of the book, which I didn't discover until I finished reading--one of the disadvantages of reading the ebook version (from my local library).
Posted by: March Hare at May 09, 2021 10:13 AM (lwrAe)
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Like the educrat deification of Bonnie and Clyde in their hearts...
Bonnie was a whore, and Clyde was a cakeboi rage junkie bully.
Like the educrat deification of Bonnie and Clyde in their hearts...
Bonnie was a whore, and Clyde was a cakeboi rage junkie bully.
Posted by: sven at May 09, 2021 10:13 AM (Lzpvj)
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Posted by: Cybersmythe at May 09, 2021 09:06 AM (17UTy)
I've generally liked Cedar Sanderson's books that I've read. May look into that.
I've generally liked Cedar Sanderson's books that I've read. May look into that.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at May 09, 2021 10:13 AM (1lKRm)
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Kipling's novel Kim is one of the greatest books in the English language, maybe in all languages. Give it a try.
Even that rat-bastard Jew-hating race hustler Edward Said had to grudgingly admit it was a great novel, even if it did have colonialism cooties.
Even that rat-bastard Jew-hating race hustler Edward Said had to grudgingly admit it was a great novel, even if it did have colonialism cooties.
Posted by: Trimegistus at May 09, 2021 10:13 AM (QZxDR)
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I'm simplifying it but I hate that the losers have been able to 'write the history' of the Spanish Civil War.
Posted by: Can't help myself at May 09, 2021 10:07 AM (2DOZq)
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Very much the case. Stanley G. Payne's work (and my book which draws upon his research) are useful correctives.
Posted by: Can't help myself at May 09, 2021 10:07 AM (2DOZq)
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Very much the case. Stanley G. Payne's work (and my book which draws upon his research) are useful correctives.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 09, 2021 10:13 AM (llXky)
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"The Jungle" spoiler there are no singing bears like "the Book" and damned few tigers...
https://youtu.be/WRJ2-GKL1SQ
"The Jungle" spoiler there are no singing bears like "the Book" and damned few tigers...
https://youtu.be/WRJ2-GKL1SQ
Posted by: sven at May 09, 2021 10:15 AM (Lzpvj)
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For whatever reason I can't find an iPad version, probably because there isn't one. I'll just keep using Safari with the JavaScript off until I browse elsewhere. And install Brave on my iPhone.
Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at May 09, 2021 08:33 AM (y7DUB)
I'm using Brave on my iPad...
Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at May 09, 2021 08:33 AM (y7DUB)
I'm using Brave on my iPad...
Posted by: Flyover at May 09, 2021 10:15 AM (Rbu5d)
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Great Gatsby kind of works if you approach it like
it's a Tom Wolfe story -- you're supposed to dislike all these people
and F. Scott is inviting you to snicker along with him. The Old Money
crowd are idiots and the New Money types are crooks. In essence, he's
doing fictionalized reporting.
Posted by: Trimegistus at May 09, 2021 10:10 AM (QZxDR)
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Very much so. East Egg and West Egg and fixing the World Series - these are not nice people. Fitzgerald's big thing was he could really turn a phrase. Beautiful writing.
it's a Tom Wolfe story -- you're supposed to dislike all these people
and F. Scott is inviting you to snicker along with him. The Old Money
crowd are idiots and the New Money types are crooks. In essence, he's
doing fictionalized reporting.
Posted by: Trimegistus at May 09, 2021 10:10 AM (QZxDR)
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Very much so. East Egg and West Egg and fixing the World Series - these are not nice people. Fitzgerald's big thing was he could really turn a phrase. Beautiful writing.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 09, 2021 10:15 AM (llXky)
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Very much the case. Stanley G. Payne's work (and my book which draws upon his research) are useful correctives.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 09, 2021 10:13 AM (llXky)
Yes and you have done more to push back on Leftist propaganda than I ever will. Kudos.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 09, 2021 10:13 AM (llXky)
Yes and you have done more to push back on Leftist propaganda than I ever will. Kudos.
Posted by: Can't help myself at May 09, 2021 10:16 AM (2DOZq)
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The appeal of Fitzgerald's books has continually puzzled me.
Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at May 09, 2021 10:05 AM (y7DUB)
I like Fitzgerald, and I like his ability to look at some very unappealing aspects of his characters. Probably the thing I least like about him is his use of his wife's diaries and his attempt to forbid her to use her own life as story material.
Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at May 09, 2021 10:05 AM (y7DUB)
I like Fitzgerald, and I like his ability to look at some very unappealing aspects of his characters. Probably the thing I least like about him is his use of his wife's diaries and his attempt to forbid her to use her own life as story material.
Posted by: CN at May 09, 2021 10:17 AM (ONvIw)
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My dislike of Holden comes from his lack of
appreciation for his posh background and opportunities. Many people
experienced losses without the ahem, great privileges life bestowed upon
Holden.
Posted by: CN at May 09, 2021 10:09 AM (ONvIw)
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When we first started the book, it was fun because he uses bad language, calls people phoney, etc, but as it wore on I came to hate the book and the character.
appreciation for his posh background and opportunities. Many people
experienced losses without the ahem, great privileges life bestowed upon
Holden.
Posted by: CN at May 09, 2021 10:09 AM (ONvIw)
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When we first started the book, it was fun because he uses bad language, calls people phoney, etc, but as it wore on I came to hate the book and the character.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 09, 2021 10:17 AM (llXky)
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As for funerals, some families didn't send kids as a matter of principle. It may not have been wise, but there it was. One of my older cousins died at age 14 in a car accident and we were not allowed to attend and neither were his two youngest siblings. They turned out fine with no hatred of adults as a result.
Posted by: CN at May 09, 2021 10:09 AM (ONvIw)
Sometimes this was done because of bad blood in the family, like Mother Hate's side, and funerals were a good place for shitheads to act out in ways that impressionable minds might be better off being blissfully unaware of.
Posted by: CN at May 09, 2021 10:09 AM (ONvIw)
Sometimes this was done because of bad blood in the family, like Mother Hate's side, and funerals were a good place for shitheads to act out in ways that impressionable minds might be better off being blissfully unaware of.
Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at May 09, 2021 10:18 AM (y7DUB)
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I like Fitzgerald, and I like his ability to
look at some very unappealing aspects of his characters. Probably the
thing I least like about him is his use of his wife's diaries and his
attempt to forbid her to use her own life as story material.
Posted by: CN at May 09, 2021 10:17 AM (ONvIw)
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I was really disappointed that Amazon canceled the series based on Zelda and Scott. It was really good.
I like Fitzgerald, and I like his ability to
look at some very unappealing aspects of his characters. Probably the
thing I least like about him is his use of his wife's diaries and his
attempt to forbid her to use her own life as story material.
Posted by: CN at May 09, 2021 10:17 AM (ONvIw)
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I was really disappointed that Amazon canceled the series based on Zelda and Scott. It was really good.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 09, 2021 10:19 AM (llXky)
Posted by: sven at May 09, 2021 10:19 AM (Lzpvj)
Posted by: Muldoon at May 09, 2021 10:19 AM (Fc5rx)
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290, also, IMO, kids have a way of laughing through their discomfort that can be out of place.
Posted by: CN at May 09, 2021 10:20 AM (ONvIw)
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The only movie I remember watching in high school English was Romeo and Juliet.
The 1968 version with Oliva Hussey? I can see why
The 1968 version with Oliva Hussey? I can see why
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 09, 2021 10:20 AM (KZzsI)
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The corrective of course would be the rest of the non ass showing family to be able to throttle the offenders into a coma without legal reproach.
Would remind people family comes first.
The corrective of course would be the rest of the non ass showing family to be able to throttle the offenders into a coma without legal reproach.
Would remind people family comes first.
Posted by: sven at May 09, 2021 10:20 AM (Lzpvj)
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272 Posted by: Trimegistus at May 09, 2021 10:10 AM (QZxDR)
Like the educrat deification of Bonnie and Clyde in their hearts...
Bonnie was a whore, and Clyde was a cakeboi rage junkie bully.
Posted by: sven
The media and the many had a deadly superficial love of bonnie clyde.
Like the educrat deification of Bonnie and Clyde in their hearts...
Bonnie was a whore, and Clyde was a cakeboi rage junkie bully.
Posted by: sven
The media and the many had a deadly superficial love of bonnie clyde.
Posted by: humphreyrobot at May 09, 2021 10:21 AM (o89XP)
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Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 09, 2021 10:11 AM (llXky)
I didn't say that to go after you A.H. Hell I dont' recall I said it responding to you. But that could have happened. I responded to something lol. This is a view I have long held and I know we all do. No way do I think you said something wrong, I am calling all of us out, including me. It is just a term that really bothers me. It is true, but also self-fulfilling.
I didn't say that to go after you A.H. Hell I dont' recall I said it responding to you. But that could have happened. I responded to something lol. This is a view I have long held and I know we all do. No way do I think you said something wrong, I am calling all of us out, including me. It is just a term that really bothers me. It is true, but also self-fulfilling.
Posted by: Quint at May 09, 2021 10:21 AM (aqif7)
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My grandfather told me to laugh, "I have seen enough misery and sadness in my life I'd prefer to be sent off with smiles and happy memories son."
I miss him.
My grandfather told me to laugh, "I have seen enough misery and sadness in my life I'd prefer to be sent off with smiles and happy memories son."
I miss him.
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The media and the many had a deadly superficial love of bonnie clyde.
Yeah that was back when defying the government was considered by the left to be romantic and exciting instead of treason and horrible.
Yeah that was back when defying the government was considered by the left to be romantic and exciting instead of treason and horrible.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 09, 2021 10:22 AM (KZzsI)
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I was really disappointed that Amazon canceled the series based on Zelda and Scott. It was really good.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 09, 2021 10:19 AM (llXky)
Did they ever say why they cancelled it? Scottie Lanahan's kids and grandkids object?
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 09, 2021 10:19 AM (llXky)
Did they ever say why they cancelled it? Scottie Lanahan's kids and grandkids object?
Posted by: CN at May 09, 2021 10:22 AM (ONvIw)
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138 Posted by: rhennigantx at May 09, 2021 09:07 AM (yrol0)
"The virus took a coffee break."
//Stanford "Doctors"
"The virus took a coffee break."
//Stanford "Doctors"
Posted by: sven at May 09, 2021 10:23 AM (Lzpvj)
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Calvin & Hobbes FTW as my young adult self can relate.
Posted by: exdem13 at May 09, 2021 10:23 AM (W+kMI)
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Now reading "Classic American Crime Fiction of the 1920's," annotated by Leslie S. Klinger. Hubs and I recently watched "Little Caesar" with Edward G. Robinson on TCM. As I often do, I looked up the novel it was based on and my local public library had the above gem in hardcover, which includes the original "Charlie Chan" novel by Earl Derr Biggers, the first "Continental Op" novel by Dashiell Hammet ("Red Harvest"), an Ellery Queen, a Philo Vance novel by S.S. van Dine, as well as "Little Caesar" by W.R. Burnett. Turned out to be a "doorstopper" of a book in size as well as length (I propped it on a pillow on my lap).
Looks like my reading is set for the next three weeks.
Looks like my reading is set for the next three weeks.
Posted by: March Hare at May 09, 2021 10:23 AM (lwrAe)
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Fitzgerald's big thing was he could really turn a phrase. Beautiful writing.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 09, 2021 10:15 AM (llXky)
I'm sure this is true and some built in subjective bias keeps me from appreciating this the way I do, for example, Henry James, who also has a lot of obdurate detractors which I find hard to understand.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 09, 2021 10:15 AM (llXky)
I'm sure this is true and some built in subjective bias keeps me from appreciating this the way I do, for example, Henry James, who also has a lot of obdurate detractors which I find hard to understand.
Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at May 09, 2021 10:25 AM (y7DUB)
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You guys reminded me of my favorite Bum Phillips quote.
You fail all the time, but you aren't a failure until you start blaming someone else.
You fail all the time, but you aren't a failure until you start blaming someone else.
Posted by: Can't help myself at May 09, 2021 10:25 AM (2DOZq)
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as well as "Little Caesar" by W.R. Burnett
Hmm I should look into that, I enjoyed the movie. Red Harvest is a masterpiece, they've made like 6 movies based on that, but not one of them the original story.
Hmm I should look into that, I enjoyed the movie. Red Harvest is a masterpiece, they've made like 6 movies based on that, but not one of them the original story.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 09, 2021 10:25 AM (KZzsI)
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The 1968 version with Oliva Hussey? I can see why
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 09, 2021 10:20 AM (KZzsI)
There are a couple of reasons I remember it.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 09, 2021 10:20 AM (KZzsI)
There are a couple of reasons I remember it.
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at May 09, 2021 10:26 AM (cSyAR)
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29 Oops off sucky sock.
There are a whole bunch of old Scifi mags on Gutenberg. I love the covers and story titles. Just can't get enough of the bad space monsters.
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"THEY WANT OUR WOMEN!!!"
Well, yeah, who wouldn't, really? Especially with the women thus depicted.
There are a whole bunch of old Scifi mags on Gutenberg. I love the covers and story titles. Just can't get enough of the bad space monsters.
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"THEY WANT OUR WOMEN!!!"
Well, yeah, who wouldn't, really? Especially with the women thus depicted.
Posted by: exdem13 at May 09, 2021 10:26 AM (W+kMI)
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Interesting, Burnett also wrote "Asphalt Jungle", "High Sierra" and "Vanity Row".
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 09, 2021 10:27 AM (KZzsI)
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Letter allegedly written by Clyde Barrow to Henry Ford:
Tulsa, Okla 10th April
Mr Henry Ford Detroit, Mich.
Dear Sir: - While I still have got breath in my lungs I will tell you what a dandy car you make. I have drove Fords exclusively when I could get away with one. For sustained speed and freedom from trouble the Ford has got ever other car skinned and even if my business hasen't been strickly legal it don't hurt enything to tell you what a fine car you got in the V8
- Yours truly Clyde Champion Barrow
Tulsa, Okla 10th April
Mr Henry Ford Detroit, Mich.
Dear Sir: - While I still have got breath in my lungs I will tell you what a dandy car you make. I have drove Fords exclusively when I could get away with one. For sustained speed and freedom from trouble the Ford has got ever other car skinned and even if my business hasen't been strickly legal it don't hurt enything to tell you what a fine car you got in the V8
- Yours truly Clyde Champion Barrow
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 09, 2021 10:27 AM (JZT2F)
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Nice job, Eris.
Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at May 09, 2021 10:28 AM (d9Cw3)
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It made me happy to read yesterday about Venice Beach CA. Apparently all the homeless encampments are making the area unlivable. Can not go out at night, businesses being shut down. Could not happen to a more deserving group of home owners.
https://tinyurl.com/ert87z7k
Posted by: MikeM at May 09, 2021 09:52 AM (5kpOR)
Their was a really good video of these Bicyclist that traveled over a new bike path, then visited it a few years later and it's FILLED with homeless.
I guess in California the "homeless" are living in RV's near the beach as well.
https://tinyurl.com/ert87z7k
Posted by: MikeM at May 09, 2021 09:52 AM (5kpOR)
Their was a really good video of these Bicyclist that traveled over a new bike path, then visited it a few years later and it's FILLED with homeless.
I guess in California the "homeless" are living in RV's near the beach as well.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at May 09, 2021 10:28 AM (dKiJG)
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I remember a thread on Facebook some time ago about which literary character you would most enjoy punching in the face.
I'll start:
1) Holden Caulfield
2) Every character in The Great Gatsby
3) Every character in Wuthering Heights
You?
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 09, 2021 09:43 AM
Rand al-Thor, Wheel of Time books.
I'll start:
1) Holden Caulfield
2) Every character in The Great Gatsby
3) Every character in Wuthering Heights
You?
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 09, 2021 09:43 AM
Rand al-Thor, Wheel of Time books.
Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at May 09, 2021 10:28 AM (OssQ4)
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> I guess in California the "homeless" are living in RV's near the beach as well.
RVs are the modern gypsy wagon.
RVs are the modern gypsy wagon.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 09, 2021 10:29 AM (JZT2F)
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You guys reminded me of my favorite Bum Phillips quote.
You fail all the time, but you aren't a failure until you start blaming someone else.
Posted by: Can't help myself at May 09, 2021 10:25 AM (2DOZq)
Bum said that? That guy was legit. We need many more but we don't have any really. Reminds me of my favorite Nixon quote. I have quoted it here and others know that. I don't care, Sure it is dated as things are so much worse. But the idea is a good one. https://tinyurl.com/tcmncv8c
You fail all the time, but you aren't a failure until you start blaming someone else.
Posted by: Can't help myself at May 09, 2021 10:25 AM (2DOZq)
Bum said that? That guy was legit. We need many more but we don't have any really. Reminds me of my favorite Nixon quote. I have quoted it here and others know that. I don't care, Sure it is dated as things are so much worse. But the idea is a good one. https://tinyurl.com/tcmncv8c
Posted by: Quint at May 09, 2021 10:29 AM (aqif7)
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Holden Caulfield should be used as cognitive therapeutic cardio exercise whereby your moral center throttles him for at least 5 minutes daily.
Posted by: sven at May 09, 2021 10:29 AM (Lzpvj)
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You can't say something "couldn't be made today: unless you are tacitly agreeing with that viewpoint.
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Interesting take. I use that expression more and more frequently these days, but I don't agree w/cancelling everything from Huck Finn to the local news guy who literally misspoke part of a word and will never work in media again. It's a lament; but you're right, we let it happen.
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Interesting take. I use that expression more and more frequently these days, but I don't agree w/cancelling everything from Huck Finn to the local news guy who literally misspoke part of a word and will never work in media again. It's a lament; but you're right, we let it happen.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 09, 2021 10:29 AM (7Fj9P)
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Didn't Kipling do a Christmas book for his kids that did expanded character development for the female characters in The Jungle Book?
I think it was called Jungle Belles.
I think it was called Jungle Belles.
Posted by: Muldoon at May 09, 2021 10:30 AM (Fc5rx)
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Sad news, -the Kentucky Derby winner tested positive for failing to self-identify as performance-enhanced mule in a donkey show.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 09, 2021 10:30 AM (2goRJ)
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286 When I was in high school, not only did we read Heart of Darkness,
we then watched Apocalypse Now in class and had to write a critique on
what the movie got right and what it got wrong.
The only movie I remember watching in high school English was Romeo and Juliet.
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at May 09, 2021 10:03 AM (cSyAR)
We were supposed to read Heart Of Darkness in HS and write a report on it. I hated it and only read about 2 chapters before I threw it down. Got an F on my report. I loved the movie Apocalypse Now. They actually filmed that movie in the Philippines while we were going in and out of Subic Bay.
we then watched Apocalypse Now in class and had to write a critique on
what the movie got right and what it got wrong.
The only movie I remember watching in high school English was Romeo and Juliet.
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at May 09, 2021 10:03 AM (cSyAR)
We were supposed to read Heart Of Darkness in HS and write a report on it. I hated it and only read about 2 chapters before I threw it down. Got an F on my report. I loved the movie Apocalypse Now. They actually filmed that movie in the Philippines while we were going in and out of Subic Bay.
Posted by: Vic at May 09, 2021 10:30 AM (mpXpK)
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Angels With Dirty Faces. That is all.
Posted by: humphreyrobot at May 09, 2021 10:30 AM (o89XP)
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315 Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 09, 2021 10:29 AM (JZT2F)
RVs are the future of the nomads who will not knuckle under to the totalitarians.
RVs are the future of the nomads who will not knuckle under to the totalitarians.
Posted by: sven at May 09, 2021 10:31 AM (Lzpvj)
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264 So where do famous writers go now when they are slumming?
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Baen Books, apparently.
Too many wanna-be great writers are writing without the life experience that fueled the great writers. Their prose falls flat, even without the Mandatory Wokeness, because the lack of living and knowing other people in other places and situations shines through.
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Baen Books, apparently.
Too many wanna-be great writers are writing without the life experience that fueled the great writers. Their prose falls flat, even without the Mandatory Wokeness, because the lack of living and knowing other people in other places and situations shines through.
Posted by: exdem13 at May 09, 2021 10:31 AM (W+kMI)
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Michael Chabon
I was ruined from appreciating this guys works by having my wife drag me to a talk he gave at the main library and I couldn't stand listening to him. He seemed like Gilbert Gottfried's withdrawn unfunny brother. Too bad because you make the book sound good, like something Mordecai Richler would write.
I was ruined from appreciating this guys works by having my wife drag me to a talk he gave at the main library and I couldn't stand listening to him. He seemed like Gilbert Gottfried's withdrawn unfunny brother. Too bad because you make the book sound good, like something Mordecai Richler would write.
Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at May 09, 2021 10:32 AM (y7DUB)
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> They actually filmed that movie in the Philippines while we were going in and out of Subic Bay.
Wanna see a disbelieving look? Show a young person the napalm attack scene, then tell him that Coppola actually had to blow up the jungle to make it. That shit is real, not CGI.
Wanna see a disbelieving look? Show a young person the napalm attack scene, then tell him that Coppola actually had to blow up the jungle to make it. That shit is real, not CGI.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 09, 2021 10:32 AM (JZT2F)
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It made me happy to read yesterday about Venice Beach CA. Apparently all the homeless encampments are making the area unlivable. Can not go out at night, businesses being shut down. Could not happen to a more deserving group of home owners.
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When gubmint incentivizes something, you get more of it.
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When gubmint incentivizes something, you get more of it.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 09, 2021 10:32 AM (7Fj9P)
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> RVs are the future of the nomads who will not knuckle under to the totalitarians.
Well put, sir.
Well put, sir.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 09, 2021 10:33 AM (JZT2F)
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I read Red Harvest last week, and I think I mentioned it in last Sunday's Thread.
One thing to keep in mind: if you value your skin, don't be a character in a Dashiell Hammett novel. Even a relatively light book like The Thin Man has at least four murders I can think of, and Nick Charles gets wounded.
One thing to keep in mind: if you value your skin, don't be a character in a Dashiell Hammett novel. Even a relatively light book like The Thin Man has at least four murders I can think of, and Nick Charles gets wounded.
Posted by: Trimegistus at May 09, 2021 10:33 AM (QZxDR)
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When gubmint incentivizes something, you get more of it.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 09, 2021 10:32 AM (7Fj9P)
Like deaths attributed to wuflu
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When gubmint incentivizes something, you get more of it.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 09, 2021 10:32 AM (7Fj9P)
Like deaths attributed to wuflu
Posted by: CN at May 09, 2021 10:33 AM (ONvIw)
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Kipling understood English colonial culture quite well.
Posted by: Can't help myself at May 09, 2021 09:59 AM (2DOZq)
Exactly. And that's what he wrote about.
I have to admit, the more I read of Chesterton's work the less I like him. It may be because I read Kipling first and the more of *his* work I read the more I like *him*.
Posted by: Can't help myself at May 09, 2021 09:59 AM (2DOZq)
Exactly. And that's what he wrote about.
I have to admit, the more I read of Chesterton's work the less I like him. It may be because I read Kipling first and the more of *his* work I read the more I like *him*.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at May 09, 2021 10:34 AM (1lKRm)
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It's a lament; but you're right, we let it happen.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 09, 2021 10:29 AM (7Fj9P)
The Left have taken control of the narrative by taking control of all modes of communication. I don't know if we let them do that as much as they took it.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 09, 2021 10:29 AM (7Fj9P)
The Left have taken control of the narrative by taking control of all modes of communication. I don't know if we let them do that as much as they took it.
Posted by: Can't help myself at May 09, 2021 10:34 AM (2DOZq)
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321 Posted by: Vic at May 09, 2021 10:30 AM (mpXpK)
It was a depressing book, about a very depressing system and time Vic.
What bothers me about "Heart of Darkness" is the modern education narrative uses it as a bludgeon against Americans.
No Americans were involved in the book, like many things we are carrying the moral and emotional freight of other actors.
It was a depressing book, about a very depressing system and time Vic.
What bothers me about "Heart of Darkness" is the modern education narrative uses it as a bludgeon against Americans.
No Americans were involved in the book, like many things we are carrying the moral and emotional freight of other actors.
Posted by: sven at May 09, 2021 10:34 AM (Lzpvj)
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They actually filmed that movie in the Philippines while we were going in and out of Subic Bay.
Wanna see a disbelieving look? Show a young person the napalm attack scene, then tell him that Coppola actually had to blow up the jungle to make it. That shit is real, not CGI.
...and Martin Sheen had 3?!? heart attacks while filming it.
Wanna see a disbelieving look? Show a young person the napalm attack scene, then tell him that Coppola actually had to blow up the jungle to make it. That shit is real, not CGI.
...and Martin Sheen had 3?!? heart attacks while filming it.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 09, 2021 10:34 AM (7Fj9P)
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So where do famous writers go now when they are slumming?
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Baen Books, apparently.
Too many wanna-be great writers are writing without the life experience that fueled the great writers. Their prose falls flat, even without the Mandatory Wokeness, because the lack of living and knowing other people in other places and situations shines through.
Posted by: exdem13
amen
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Baen Books, apparently.
Too many wanna-be great writers are writing without the life experience that fueled the great writers. Their prose falls flat, even without the Mandatory Wokeness, because the lack of living and knowing other people in other places and situations shines through.
Posted by: exdem13
amen
Posted by: humphreyrobot at May 09, 2021 10:35 AM (o89XP)
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One thing to keep in mind: if you value your skin, don't be a character in a Dashiell Hammett novel.
Dash worked as a Pinkerton's agent for years, he knew the business and the real world far better than, say, Raymond Chandler.
Dash worked as a Pinkerton's agent for years, he knew the business and the real world far better than, say, Raymond Chandler.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 09, 2021 10:35 AM (KZzsI)
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The media and the many had a deadly superficial love of bonnie clyde.
__________
Two psychopathic killers who were justifiably shot to pieces. I'm happy Hamer and the boys didn't spare any ammunition.
The media and the many had a deadly superficial love of bonnie clyde.
__________
Two psychopathic killers who were justifiably shot to pieces. I'm happy Hamer and the boys didn't spare any ammunition.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 09, 2021 10:35 AM (mht8P)
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FIRST!!!!!
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at May 09, 2021 10:36 AM (Zz0t1)
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...and Martin Sheen had 3?!? heart attacks while filming it.
And that initial scene where it looks like he's having a nervous breakdown? That's because he really is having a nervous breakdown and Coppola filmed it.
And that initial scene where it looks like he's having a nervous breakdown? That's because he really is having a nervous breakdown and Coppola filmed it.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 09, 2021 10:36 AM (KZzsI)
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at May 09, 2021 10:36 AM (Zz0t1)
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327 It made me happy to read yesterday about Venice Beach CA. Apparently
all the homeless encampments are making the area unlivable. Can not go
out at night, businesses being shut down. Could not happen to a more
deserving group of home owners.
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When gubmint incentivizes something, you get more of it.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 09, 2021 10:32 AM (7Fj9P)
I saw and article on one news site that said the homeless (bums) were going up into the neighborhood and crapping on peoples lawns.
all the homeless encampments are making the area unlivable. Can not go
out at night, businesses being shut down. Could not happen to a more
deserving group of home owners.
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When gubmint incentivizes something, you get more of it.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 09, 2021 10:32 AM (7Fj9P)
I saw and article on one news site that said the homeless (bums) were going up into the neighborhood and crapping on peoples lawns.
Posted by: Vic at May 09, 2021 10:37 AM (mpXpK)
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331 Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at May 09, 2021 10:34 AM (1lKRm)
A lot like Adam Smith and Locke they both have their niche and are best read together.
A lot like Adam Smith and Locke they both have their niche and are best read together.
Posted by: sven at May 09, 2021 10:37 AM (Lzpvj)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 09, 2021 10:37 AM (mht8P)
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Interesting take. I use that expression more and
more frequently these days, but I don't agree w/cancelling everything
from Huck Finn to the local news guy who literally misspoke part of a
word and will never work in media again. It's a lament; but you're
right, we let it happen.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 09, 2021 10:29 AM (7Fj9P)
I can't think of a view I hold stronger than that one. Again, I am calling myself out too. I am not special case of knowledge. I truly believe we have to stop saying it, and way more importantly make it untrue. We all say it, there is a reason we say it, but I truly believe it needs to end. And even if that is so, which it is, what does that say about these times?
more frequently these days, but I don't agree w/cancelling everything
from Huck Finn to the local news guy who literally misspoke part of a
word and will never work in media again. It's a lament; but you're
right, we let it happen.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 09, 2021 10:29 AM (7Fj9P)
I can't think of a view I hold stronger than that one. Again, I am calling myself out too. I am not special case of knowledge. I truly believe we have to stop saying it, and way more importantly make it untrue. We all say it, there is a reason we say it, but I truly believe it needs to end. And even if that is so, which it is, what does that say about these times?
Posted by: Quint at May 09, 2021 10:38 AM (aqif7)
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215 dayum!
KENTUCKY DERBY
WINNER MEDINA SPIRIT TESTS POSITIVE FOR STEROIDS
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Look, if cheating is permitted for a presidential election, the Kentucky Derby would inevitably fall.
KENTUCKY DERBY
WINNER MEDINA SPIRIT TESTS POSITIVE FOR STEROIDS
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Look, if cheating is permitted for a presidential election, the Kentucky Derby would inevitably fall.
Posted by: exdem13 at May 09, 2021 10:38 AM (W+kMI)
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Did they ever say why they cancelled it? Scottie Lanahan's kids and grandkids object?
Posted by: CN at May 09, 2021 10:22 AM (ONvIw)
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Amazon wanted to cancel a low-rated series beloved by SJWs and keep that one going so a twitter mob was formed and Amazon canceled the better show to appease them.
Posted by: CN at May 09, 2021 10:22 AM (ONvIw)
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Amazon wanted to cancel a low-rated series beloved by SJWs and keep that one going so a twitter mob was formed and Amazon canceled the better show to appease them.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 09, 2021 10:38 AM (llXky)
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341 Posted by: Vic at May 09, 2021 10:37 AM (mpXpK)
It is what the voters wanted Vic, it was not sold to them as thus but it was a very logical and likely outcome.
Californians expect you to believe that cause and effect not only are not related but effect is always an unforeseeable conspiracy.
It is what the voters wanted Vic, it was not sold to them as thus but it was a very logical and likely outcome.
Californians expect you to believe that cause and effect not only are not related but effect is always an unforeseeable conspiracy.
Posted by: sven at May 09, 2021 10:39 AM (Lzpvj)
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I really enjoy Chesterton's Father Brown stories but his other word kind of leaves me cold. Chesterton was a huge figure both physically and mentally, just a towering intellect who taught both Tolkien and Lewis in college and shaped their minds. I respect his brain but not always his approach.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 09, 2021 10:39 AM (KZzsI)
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Sad news, -the Kentucky Derby winner tested positive for failing to self-identify as performance-enhanced mule in a donkey show.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 09, 2021 10:30 AM (2goRJ)
Dipshit was bragging about how he only paid $30k for the horse and turned it into a champion.
Not that hard when you cheat.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 09, 2021 10:30 AM (2goRJ)
Dipshit was bragging about how he only paid $30k for the horse and turned it into a champion.
Not that hard when you cheat.
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at May 09, 2021 10:39 AM (Zz0t1)
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Well, here's one point in Holden Caulfield's favor: although he says "goddamn" constantly, he is shocked and outraged to see the f word scrawled on a building because he's concerned little kids will see it. Can anybody imagine a 16 year caring about that now? Why, you can hear adults loudly dropping f bombs everyday of the week in public places with no concern at all about any little kids hearing it.
Posted by: Donna&&&&&V at May 09, 2021 10:40 AM (HabA/)
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An Eris Book Thread makes me want to read!
Posted by: Weasel at May 09, 2021 10:40 AM (MVjcR)
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Happy Mother's Day. Remembering in particular those whose mothers were truly awful people (not mine, I might add) and the pain today must bring.
Happy Mother's Day. Remembering in particular those whose mothers were truly awful people (not mine, I might add) and the pain today must bring.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 09, 2021 10:40 AM (mht8P)
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I think John Dillinger also wrote to Ford praising his car.
Has anyone looked into the possibility that the whole outlaw interstate bank robbery wave of the 1930s was a marketing gimmick?
Has anyone looked into the possibility that the whole outlaw interstate bank robbery wave of the 1930s was a marketing gimmick?
Posted by: Trimegistus at May 09, 2021 10:41 AM (QZxDR)
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"The Great Gatsby" is a bit like "Gone with the Wind" with -
Gatsby as Scarlett O'Hara.
Daisy as Ashley Wilkes
Nick as Mammy
It's a melodramatic doomed romance, what is so attractive to the ladies, with random bits of "the American Dream has failed" for inkolektyewals.
IMHO "Day of the Locust" does a similar but much better job all the way around.
Gatsby as Scarlett O'Hara.
Daisy as Ashley Wilkes
Nick as Mammy
It's a melodramatic doomed romance, what is so attractive to the ladies, with random bits of "the American Dream has failed" for inkolektyewals.
IMHO "Day of the Locust" does a similar but much better job all the way around.
Posted by: naturalfake at May 09, 2021 10:41 AM (dWwl8)
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>>>Holden Caulfield should be used as cognitive therapeutic cardio exercise
whereby your moral center throttles him for at least 5 minutes daily.<<<
> I always thought Holden Caulfield tools were sold out of an Irish bog where faeries and Leprechauns frolicked like sex fiends at the Olympic Village.
whereby your moral center throttles him for at least 5 minutes daily.<<<
> I always thought Holden Caulfield tools were sold out of an Irish bog where faeries and Leprechauns frolicked like sex fiends at the Olympic Village.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 09, 2021 10:41 AM (2goRJ)
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Stay safe.
Posted by: The Maldives at May 09, 2021 10:41 AM (W4eKo)
357
dayum!
KENTUCKY DERBY
WINNER MEDINA SPIRIT Tt ESTS POSITIVE FOR STEROIDS
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Look, if cheating is permitted for a presidential election, the Kentucky Derby would inevitably fall.
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oh no, no no. NO! you cannot cheat in thee Derby!
KENTUCKY DERBY
WINNER MEDINA SPIRIT Tt ESTS POSITIVE FOR STEROIDS
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Look, if cheating is permitted for a presidential election, the Kentucky Derby would inevitably fall.
==
oh no, no no. NO! you cannot cheat in thee Derby!
Posted by: runner at May 09, 2021 10:41 AM (V13WU)
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Has anyone looked into the possibility that the whole outlaw interstate bank robbery wave of the 1930s was a marketing gimmick?
While I wouldn't put it past the Ford family, I doubt they had the creativity to come up with that.
While I wouldn't put it past the Ford family, I doubt they had the creativity to come up with that.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 09, 2021 10:42 AM (KZzsI)
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Dipshit was bragging about how he only paid $30k for the horse and turned it into a champion.
Not that hard when you cheat.
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at May 09, 2021 10:39 AM (Zz0t1)
Sosa Spirit
Not that hard when you cheat.
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at May 09, 2021 10:39 AM (Zz0t1)
Sosa Spirit
Posted by: Can't help myself at May 09, 2021 10:42 AM (2DOZq)
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never could figure out what Gatsby is about
Posted by: runner at May 09, 2021 10:42 AM (V13WU)
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Happy Mother's Birthing Person's Day.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 09, 2021 10:42 AM (VVEnO)
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I recently bought a coffee mug that I think would appeal to many of the Book Thread regulars. The motto on it is "Too many books? I think what you mean is not enough bookshelves!"
Posted by: John F. MacMichael at May 09, 2021 10:43 AM (yWpl7)
Posted by: naturalfake at May 09, 2021 10:43 AM (dWwl8)
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Show a young person the napalm attack scene, then tell him that Coppola actually had to blow up the jungle to make it. That shit is real, not CGI.
...and Martin Sheen had 3?!? heart attacks while filming it.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 09, 2021 10:34 AM (7Fj9P)
Making the movie was one clusterfuck after another, including the Philippines recalling their fighter jets to put down an insurrection. And Brando showing up grossly overweight and not having looked at his lines. Reporters were a lot better then too, taking Brando to task for being unprofessional. Coppola responded with "Mr. Brando is very sensitive about his weight" to which someone asked "is that why he eats a gallon of ice cream at a time?"
...and Martin Sheen had 3?!? heart attacks while filming it.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 09, 2021 10:34 AM (7Fj9P)
Making the movie was one clusterfuck after another, including the Philippines recalling their fighter jets to put down an insurrection. And Brando showing up grossly overweight and not having looked at his lines. Reporters were a lot better then too, taking Brando to task for being unprofessional. Coppola responded with "Mr. Brando is very sensitive about his weight" to which someone asked "is that why he eats a gallon of ice cream at a time?"
Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at May 09, 2021 10:43 AM (y7DUB)
365
I think John Dillinger also wrote to Ford praising his car.
Has anyone looked into the possibility that the whole outlaw interstate bank robbery wave of the 1930s was a marketing gimmick?
Posted by: Trimegistus at May 09, 2021 10:41 AM (QZxD
I think all these gangsters were fans of John Browning also.
Has anyone looked into the possibility that the whole outlaw interstate bank robbery wave of the 1930s was a marketing gimmick?
Posted by: Trimegistus at May 09, 2021 10:41 AM (QZxD
I think all these gangsters were fans of John Browning also.
Posted by: Can't help myself at May 09, 2021 10:43 AM (2DOZq)
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360 never could figure out what Gatsby is about
Posted by: runner at May 09, 2021 10:42 AM (V13WU)
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Well that's just great.
Posted by: runner at May 09, 2021 10:42 AM (V13WU)
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Well that's just great.
Posted by: Weasel at May 09, 2021 10:44 AM (MVjcR)
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"The Great Gatsby" is a bit like "Gone with the Wind"
*****
Oh Lawdy! I don't know nothin' 'bout berthin no yacht!!!
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Oh Lawdy! I don't know nothin' 'bout berthin no yacht!!!
Posted by: Muldoon at May 09, 2021 10:44 AM (Fc5rx)
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Sosa Spirit
Posted by: Can't help myself at May 09, 2021 10:42 AM (2DOZq)
Mike McGWIRE and Sammy SOOSER!!
- Teddy Kennedy
Sosa Spirit
Posted by: Can't help myself at May 09, 2021 10:42 AM (2DOZq)
Mike McGWIRE and Sammy SOOSER!!
- Teddy Kennedy
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at May 09, 2021 10:45 AM (Zz0t1)
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I saw and article on one news site that said the homeless (bums) were going up into the neighborhood and crapping on peoples lawns.
Posted by: Vic
Lawns are nice and soft. For all you butt rubbing on ground types. It also helps remove fleas ticks too.
Posted by: Vic
Lawns are nice and soft. For all you butt rubbing on ground types. It also helps remove fleas ticks too.
Posted by: humphreyrobot at May 09, 2021 10:45 AM (o89XP)
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I should think any fiction featuring 20-something modern urbanites would make the reader wish everyone would die horribly.
I should think any fiction featuring 20-something modern urbanites would make the reader wish everyone would die horribly.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 09, 2021 10:45 AM (mht8P)
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Trimegistus,
Don't really remember what spurred me to reread Hammett as I have a volume with all his novels but it is possible that your post last week triggered me to pull it off the shelf.
I normally read or reread a fictional novel or two if I am reading non-fictional books. Part of the reason is that I can usually polish off a novel in short order but I tend to read the footnotes and endnotes of historical works or biographies and want some space in time to digest a chapter or two.
Don't really remember what spurred me to reread Hammett as I have a volume with all his novels but it is possible that your post last week triggered me to pull it off the shelf.
I normally read or reread a fictional novel or two if I am reading non-fictional books. Part of the reason is that I can usually polish off a novel in short order but I tend to read the footnotes and endnotes of historical works or biographies and want some space in time to digest a chapter or two.
Posted by: whig at May 09, 2021 10:45 AM (pO7gM)
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I hadn't seen Gone With The Wind except for stills of Scarlett looking unbelievably beautiful until like a decade ago. We all sat down as an extended family and watched the thing.
It was dull, annoying, and excessively over-long. There was only one somewhat likable character (Rhett) and it wasn't even that well filmed. Why on earth that film was and is so popular utterly baffles me. Scarlett is a totally unlikable brat, Rhett is a Slave-Owning crook, the other characters are so shallow and dull you can barely remember them, and the film is interminable, it felt like watching the Civil War run out in real time.
But its the single most lucrative movie of all time, earning more money than any other film in human history (when adjusted for inflation).
It was dull, annoying, and excessively over-long. There was only one somewhat likable character (Rhett) and it wasn't even that well filmed. Why on earth that film was and is so popular utterly baffles me. Scarlett is a totally unlikable brat, Rhett is a Slave-Owning crook, the other characters are so shallow and dull you can barely remember them, and the film is interminable, it felt like watching the Civil War run out in real time.
But its the single most lucrative movie of all time, earning more money than any other film in human history (when adjusted for inflation).
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 09, 2021 10:45 AM (KZzsI)
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Kentucky? I'm surprised it wasn't meth.
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Kentucky? I'm surprised it wasn't meth.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 09, 2021 10:46 AM (VVEnO)
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The only movie I remember watching in high school English was Romeo and Juliet.
And we know exactly why.
And we know exactly why.
Posted by: Pep at May 09, 2021 10:46 AM (v16oJ)
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Wm. Burroughs liked the Ford: "can't beat that old V8 for getting there, oil burner or no."
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Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 09, 2021 10:47 AM (mht8P)
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My nighttime go-to-sleep read right now is Ruth Rendell's 'The Keys to the Street'. Not bad for bedtime. I have no idea how I came into possession of it.
I am working diligently, otherwise, on 'A HISTORY of ENGINEERING and SCIENCE in the BELL SYSTEM'. No small undertaking, but a fascinating read. This is the second of three volumes, and covers from the period from the onset of WWII through the early 70's. The R&D and production work achieved during the 4 years of the war is simply staggering.
It is an excellent follow up for those who have an interest in radar, and may have first read 'The Invention That Changed the World: How a Small Group of Radar Pioneers Won the Second World War and Launched a Technical Revolution'.
I am working diligently, otherwise, on 'A HISTORY of ENGINEERING and SCIENCE in the BELL SYSTEM'. No small undertaking, but a fascinating read. This is the second of three volumes, and covers from the period from the onset of WWII through the early 70's. The R&D and production work achieved during the 4 years of the war is simply staggering.
It is an excellent follow up for those who have an interest in radar, and may have first read 'The Invention That Changed the World: How a Small Group of Radar Pioneers Won the Second World War and Launched a Technical Revolution'.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 09, 2021 10:48 AM (1vynn)
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appy Mother's Day. Remembering in particular those
whose mothers were truly awful people (not mine, I might add) and the
pain today must bring.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 09, 2021 10:40 AM (mht8P)
all kidding aside,but what? I think you meant well there and my apologies for countering. I thought it was different but these days are different.
I recall years ago the National Capital Presbytery gave us a special minster, a woman btw. Not that that matters imo. But she was there specifically for Mother's Day. She went off, she was criticizing everything and everyone. again, this was a couple decades ago, maybe more than that.
whose mothers were truly awful people (not mine, I might add) and the
pain today must bring.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 09, 2021 10:40 AM (mht8P)
all kidding aside,but what? I think you meant well there and my apologies for countering. I thought it was different but these days are different.
I recall years ago the National Capital Presbytery gave us a special minster, a woman btw. Not that that matters imo. But she was there specifically for Mother's Day. She went off, she was criticizing everything and everyone. again, this was a couple decades ago, maybe more than that.
Posted by: Quint at May 09, 2021 10:48 AM (aqif7)
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Oh Lawdy! I don't know nothin' 'bout berthin no yacht!!!
Posted by: Muldoon at May 09, 2021 10:44 AM (Fc5rx)
Hah.
Frankly my dear I don't give a 23 skidoo.
Posted by: Muldoon at May 09, 2021 10:44 AM (Fc5rx)
Hah.
Frankly my dear I don't give a 23 skidoo.
Posted by: Can't help myself at May 09, 2021 10:48 AM (2DOZq)
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apropos...they do drug-up those poor animals; been an open secret
Posted by: runner at May 09, 2021 10:48 AM (V13WU)
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I deployed to Subic not long after the movie had been filmed. I met the guy they used for the 'falling from the helo at the end of the USO show' scene. crazy dude. he owned a bar in Subic, was former Vietnam War riverboat ex-pat, did oddjobs on the set, got the scene because he was crazy enough to do it.
Posted by: goatexchange at May 09, 2021 10:48 AM (TIMnZ)
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If you enjoy Hammett's books, I recommend highly two novels about him or his characters by other authors:
-Spade & Archer (basically the prequel to Maltese Falcon which is almost flawless)
-Hammett (a fictional story about Hammet's life in San Francisco, being caught up in a murder case while writing Red Harvest).
Both are by Joe Gores, a terrific mystery author himself. His DKA novels are very recommended as well.
A not-very-great movie was made about Hammett which mangled the storyline and characters by trying to be too cute, so I don't recommend it.
-Spade & Archer (basically the prequel to Maltese Falcon which is almost flawless)
-Hammett (a fictional story about Hammet's life in San Francisco, being caught up in a murder case while writing Red Harvest).
Both are by Joe Gores, a terrific mystery author himself. His DKA novels are very recommended as well.
A not-very-great movie was made about Hammett which mangled the storyline and characters by trying to be too cute, so I don't recommend it.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 09, 2021 10:50 AM (KZzsI)
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What bothers me about "Heart of Darkness" is the modern education narrative uses it as a bludgeon against Americans.
No Americans were involved in the book, like many things we are carrying the moral and emotional freight of other actors.
Posted by: sven at May 09, 2021 10:34 AM (Lzpvj)
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That's strange because the theme of the work is how fragile civilization is and how easy it is for moral men to go savage. That is to say: Kurtz didn't invent head-hunting cannibals, he merely ruled them.
It's a great book. I re-read it not long ago.
No Americans were involved in the book, like many things we are carrying the moral and emotional freight of other actors.
Posted by: sven at May 09, 2021 10:34 AM (Lzpvj)
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That's strange because the theme of the work is how fragile civilization is and how easy it is for moral men to go savage. That is to say: Kurtz didn't invent head-hunting cannibals, he merely ruled them.
It's a great book. I re-read it not long ago.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 09, 2021 10:50 AM (llXky)
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160 There's a comic book writer/publisher named Richard Meyers, who's got a hilarious YouTube channel called "Comics MATTER w/Ya Boi Zack." I watch his channel but I haven't read much of his comics. Anybody seen his stuff? I believe he's all self-published. Any good?
Posted by: Trimegistus at May 09, 2021 09:21 AM (QZxDR)
Yes, I enjoyed it, It's about a Kong like monster that threatens some African country so these "Heroes" are hired to take it down.
I would also suggest SOULFINDER I got the limited edition because it included a Rosary, A vet that now became a Priest is recruited to be a SoulFinder and hunt and stop demons.
Larry Correia "Saga of the Forgotten Warrior" I would say it's more of a traditional Fantasy novel. Demons were driven into the sea by humans and now demons rule the seas and the sea has become hell and no man can sail the seas now. All religions are banned (Death)and the LAW is absolute, Protectors fight Demons and enforce the Law. Slaves have no rights and can be used as the upper class sees fit, Their is a hard Caste system but their is no ability to move up.
I am waiting for the 4 book to come out.
Posted by: Trimegistus at May 09, 2021 09:21 AM (QZxDR)
Yes, I enjoyed it, It's about a Kong like monster that threatens some African country so these "Heroes" are hired to take it down.
I would also suggest SOULFINDER I got the limited edition because it included a Rosary, A vet that now became a Priest is recruited to be a SoulFinder and hunt and stop demons.
Larry Correia "Saga of the Forgotten Warrior" I would say it's more of a traditional Fantasy novel. Demons were driven into the sea by humans and now demons rule the seas and the sea has become hell and no man can sail the seas now. All religions are banned (Death)and the LAW is absolute, Protectors fight Demons and enforce the Law. Slaves have no rights and can be used as the upper class sees fit, Their is a hard Caste system but their is no ability to move up.
I am waiting for the 4 book to come out.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at May 09, 2021 10:50 AM (dKiJG)
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"As God is mah witness, ah swear ah will nevah wear white after Labor Day again!!"
Posted by: Muldoon at May 09, 2021 10:50 AM (Fc5rx)
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I think John Dillinger also wrote to Ford praising his car.
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Big deal, Dillinger was a punk. AOP would point out that Stalin wrote a letter to Studebaker in praise of their vehicles.
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Big deal, Dillinger was a punk. AOP would point out that Stalin wrote a letter to Studebaker in praise of their vehicles.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 09, 2021 10:51 AM (1vynn)
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KENTUCKY DERBY WINNER MEDINA SPIRIT TESTS POSITIVE FOR STEROIDS
Kentucky? I'm surprised it wasn't meth.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 09, 2021 10:46 AM (VVEnO)
Doesn't anyone play fair anymore?
Kentucky? I'm surprised it wasn't meth.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 09, 2021 10:46 AM (VVEnO)
Doesn't anyone play fair anymore?
Posted by: Lance "One Nut" Armstrong, Blood Doper at May 09, 2021 10:52 AM (R/m4+)
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383 Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 09, 2021 10:50 AM (llXky)
Yes rather than try to convert the young to republicanism I simply remind them that everything they see is the result of hard work....
but seriously there are Russians, Belgians, Germans and Brits in the story....don't recall a single yank.
Yes rather than try to convert the young to republicanism I simply remind them that everything they see is the result of hard work....
but seriously there are Russians, Belgians, Germans and Brits in the story....don't recall a single yank.
Posted by: sven at May 09, 2021 10:52 AM (Lzpvj)
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Ahoy, bookfagz!
Posted by: Insomniac - Zhou Bai-Den Is Not My Chairman at May 09, 2021 10:53 AM (II3Gr)
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I dunno how great they were mechanically but Studebaker had many of the best looking cars ever made.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 09, 2021 10:53 AM (KZzsI)
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she was going on an on about how life for women was the worst thing ever and it was worse for mothers. What I didn't know because I was focused on my family, was 1/4 of the church walked out.
I doubt I will ever forget that. i think at one point the Minister and church apologized for the affair. I had no problem in some ways with someone talking about the probs many have. But people were legit pissed off, I mean really pissed. IT is probably a bad idea to tell kids and families we are going to have a Happy Mother's day, and then rip the entire society into shreds.
I doubt I will ever forget that. i think at one point the Minister and church apologized for the affair. I had no problem in some ways with someone talking about the probs many have. But people were legit pissed off, I mean really pissed. IT is probably a bad idea to tell kids and families we are going to have a Happy Mother's day, and then rip the entire society into shreds.
Posted by: Quint at May 09, 2021 10:53 AM (aqif7)
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Reading history again this week. Why settle for made-up events when you can have the real thing?
The Field of Blood: Violence in Congress and the Road to Civil War by JoanneB. Freeman. Covers the 3 decades prior to the Civil War, and episodes of Congressmen behaving violently towards each other, especially in the House. Although the idea of two Congresscritters waving bowie knives at each other does have a certain appeal.
The War on Alcohol: Prohibition and the Rise of the American State by Lisa McGirr. How Prohibition for the right reasons took the wrong path and appealed to the State to mind everyone's business for the Good Of All. For someone who grew up in the time of the War on Drugs, this thesis seems familiar, truthful, and a neglected warning. More on it when I get it finished.
The Field of Blood: Violence in Congress and the Road to Civil War by JoanneB. Freeman. Covers the 3 decades prior to the Civil War, and episodes of Congressmen behaving violently towards each other, especially in the House. Although the idea of two Congresscritters waving bowie knives at each other does have a certain appeal.
The War on Alcohol: Prohibition and the Rise of the American State by Lisa McGirr. How Prohibition for the right reasons took the wrong path and appealed to the State to mind everyone's business for the Good Of All. For someone who grew up in the time of the War on Drugs, this thesis seems familiar, truthful, and a neglected warning. More on it when I get it finished.
Posted by: exdem13 at May 09, 2021 10:54 AM (W+kMI)
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Hiya Insom !
Posted by: JT at May 09, 2021 10:54 AM (arJlL)
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It may be because I read Kipling first and the more of *his* work I read the more I like *him*.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at May 09, 2021 10:34 AM (1lKRm)
Well, some of his attitudes towards America will make you tear you hair out.
In his autobiography he mentions the "brutal and frank decivilization" a Canadian would find crossing the border to America.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at May 09, 2021 10:34 AM (1lKRm)
Well, some of his attitudes towards America will make you tear you hair out.
In his autobiography he mentions the "brutal and frank decivilization" a Canadian would find crossing the border to America.
Posted by: Stonn at May 09, 2021 10:54 AM (xP36F)
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Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 09, 2021 10:45 AM (KZzsI)
I liked the book when I read it in junior high, although I always thought Scarlett was a bitch. What is troublesome to me now is Mitchell's social Darwinism. Not only did she think blacks were inferior, but poor whites. Remember how Scarlett's sister "lowers" herself to marry a poor white and Mitchell's contention is that, even though the husband is a kind and decent man, nevertheless their kids will be poor white trash. Somehow, even though Scarlett's father is an Irish peasant, it doesn't apply to her.
I liked the book when I read it in junior high, although I always thought Scarlett was a bitch. What is troublesome to me now is Mitchell's social Darwinism. Not only did she think blacks were inferior, but poor whites. Remember how Scarlett's sister "lowers" herself to marry a poor white and Mitchell's contention is that, even though the husband is a kind and decent man, nevertheless their kids will be poor white trash. Somehow, even though Scarlett's father is an Irish peasant, it doesn't apply to her.
Posted by: Donna&&&&&V at May 09, 2021 10:54 AM (HabA/)
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Kentucky? I'm surprised it wasn't meth.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 09, 2021 10:46 AM (VVEnO)
Speaking of... thanks to all who recommended Justified. Im up to season 4 and thoroughly enjoying it.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 09, 2021 10:46 AM (VVEnO)
Speaking of... thanks to all who recommended Justified. Im up to season 4 and thoroughly enjoying it.
Posted by: LASue at May 09, 2021 10:54 AM (Ed8Zd)
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I have to admit, the more I read of Chesterton's work the less I like him. It may be because I read Kipling first and the more of *his* work I read the more I like *him*.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette
Kipling is the more approachable, perhaps because he was an outsider to the British mainstream being both of mixed race and from the colonies. In Recessional, Kipling already saw signs that the Empire faced difficult days ahead because he came from a nation with a far longer historical tradition.
Chesterton has the virtues and vices of Victorian certitude that characterized the British Empire at its zenith. In that way, Chesterton reminds me of Churchill.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette
Kipling is the more approachable, perhaps because he was an outsider to the British mainstream being both of mixed race and from the colonies. In Recessional, Kipling already saw signs that the Empire faced difficult days ahead because he came from a nation with a far longer historical tradition.
Chesterton has the virtues and vices of Victorian certitude that characterized the British Empire at its zenith. In that way, Chesterton reminds me of Churchill.
Posted by: whig at May 09, 2021 10:54 AM (pO7gM)
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386 Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 09, 2021 10:51 AM (1vynn)
Ford was consulted on the design of the Soviet factories that helped win WW2.
https://tinyurl.com/5rf8y8yp
People shocked by how woke the corporate world are acting do not understand that capitalists unrestrained by moral representative government LOVE authoritarianism.
Ford was consulted on the design of the Soviet factories that helped win WW2.
https://tinyurl.com/5rf8y8yp
People shocked by how woke the corporate world are acting do not understand that capitalists unrestrained by moral representative government LOVE authoritarianism.
Posted by: sven at May 09, 2021 10:55 AM (Lzpvj)
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Speaking of you Morons drooling over gingers, I see Tawny Kitaen died.
Posted by: Jordan61
So, she's STILL dead ?
She's trying to beat Generalissimo Francisco Franco !
Posted by: Jordan61
So, she's STILL dead ?
She's trying to beat Generalissimo Francisco Franco !
Posted by: JT at May 09, 2021 10:55 AM (arJlL)
Posted by: naturalfake at May 09, 2021 10:55 AM (dWwl8)
Posted by: pep at May 09, 2021 10:55 AM (v16oJ)
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I wasn't that offended, for sure there are moms who are unwell, unfit, all of the above. But particularly on Mother's Day, many thing that is the exact wrong time to call out societies ills. I am sure some think the opposite. But I do believe most think it is a time to celebrate moms. Sorry for all who had issues, and I am not joking there, not even a bit. The luckiest thing I that ever happened to me was my parents. I was Blessed there, and I don't take it lightly.
Posted by: Quint at May 09, 2021 10:56 AM (aqif7)
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Happy Mother's Day Jordan !
Posted by: JT at May 09, 2021 10:56 AM (arJlL)
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Hiya Donna of the Ampersands !
Posted by: JT at May 09, 2021 10:56 AM (arJlL)
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Why on earth that film was and is so popular
utterly baffles me.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 09, 2021 10:45 AM (KZzsI)
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The score is great, the acting phenomenal and the story is riveting. If it's on a tv and I walk past, I'm frozen in place because it's so good.
I'm sorry you can't see it the way other people do. The story is both a love-letter and a scathing rebuke to the Old South. Scarlett is pampered and to the manor born, but also utterly ruthless, and that's what the situation called for.
Rhett is a cad and ne'er do well who finally gets serious about life, thinking Scarlett is the woman for him. It's a great portrait of a failed romance set against the sweep of history.
utterly baffles me.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 09, 2021 10:45 AM (KZzsI)
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The score is great, the acting phenomenal and the story is riveting. If it's on a tv and I walk past, I'm frozen in place because it's so good.
I'm sorry you can't see it the way other people do. The story is both a love-letter and a scathing rebuke to the Old South. Scarlett is pampered and to the manor born, but also utterly ruthless, and that's what the situation called for.
Rhett is a cad and ne'er do well who finally gets serious about life, thinking Scarlett is the woman for him. It's a great portrait of a failed romance set against the sweep of history.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 09, 2021 10:57 AM (llXky)
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FOr some reason I have been reading more non-fiction this year. I read Geronimo's story of his life and its very different than I figured. The local indians I know are prone to, um exaggeration when it comes to their past figures, but Geronimo was very humble and straight forward.
The sad part is that most of the troubles he got into were due to a really fundamental understanding of how anything outside his little Apache village worked. His family was wiped out by (probably rogue) Mexican soldiers, so he blamed... all Mexicans. The prison/reservation area his tribe was on took some of the money they earned to pay for food, fuel, etc for the tribe and he thought that they were just being ripped off.
I mean, the US government lied to him a LOT so I would be not exactly trusting of them either but its still kind of sad.
The sad part is that most of the troubles he got into were due to a really fundamental understanding of how anything outside his little Apache village worked. His family was wiped out by (probably rogue) Mexican soldiers, so he blamed... all Mexicans. The prison/reservation area his tribe was on took some of the money they earned to pay for food, fuel, etc for the tribe and he thought that they were just being ripped off.
I mean, the US government lied to him a LOT so I would be not exactly trusting of them either but its still kind of sad.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 09, 2021 10:57 AM (KZzsI)
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It was dull, annoying, and excessively over-long. There was only one somewhat likable character (Rhett) and it wasn't even that well filmed. Why on earth that film was and is so popular utterly baffles me. Scarlett is a totally unlikable brat, Rhett is a Slave-Owning crook, the other characters are so shallow and dull you can barely remember them, and the film is interminable, it felt like watching the Civil War run out in real time.
But its the single most lucrative movie of all time, earning more money than any other film in human history (when adjusted for inflation).
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 09, 2021 10:45 AM (KZzsI)
My favorite movie and book of all time.
But its the single most lucrative movie of all time, earning more money than any other film in human history (when adjusted for inflation).
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 09, 2021 10:45 AM (KZzsI)
My favorite movie and book of all time.
Posted by: LASue at May 09, 2021 10:58 AM (Ed8Zd)
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390 Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 09, 2021 10:53 AM (KZzsI)
Studebakers were well made cars, they tended to have extreme "fitness to purpose."
Studebakers were well made cars, they tended to have extreme "fitness to purpose."
Posted by: sven at May 09, 2021 10:58 AM (Lzpvj)
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all kidding aside,but what? I think you meant well there and my apologies for countering.
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I'm sorry. Maybe I didn't make myself clear. There are some - and I hear from them here as well - whose mothers aren't and weren't nurturing and loving but destructive and abusive. How much can Mothers Day mean to them except a twinge of pain? I have Masses said for my mother, who was a wonderful person, but I also pity those not as lucky as I.
all kidding aside,but what? I think you meant well there and my apologies for countering.
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I'm sorry. Maybe I didn't make myself clear. There are some - and I hear from them here as well - whose mothers aren't and weren't nurturing and loving but destructive and abusive. How much can Mothers Day mean to them except a twinge of pain? I have Masses said for my mother, who was a wonderful person, but I also pity those not as lucky as I.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 09, 2021 10:58 AM (mht8P)
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It's a great portrait of a failed romance set against the sweep of history.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 09, 2021 10:57 AM (llXky)
Failed romance and doomed love are like catnip for the ladies.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 09, 2021 10:57 AM (llXky)
Failed romance and doomed love are like catnip for the ladies.
Posted by: naturalfake at May 09, 2021 10:59 AM (dWwl8)
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That's strange because the theme of the work is how fragile civilization is and how easy it is for moral men to go savage. That is to say: Kurtz didn't invent head-hunting cannibals, he merely ruled them.
It's a great book. I re-read it not long ago.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 09, 2021 10:50 AM (llXky)
Yes I think it's a classic work by Conrad but can understand why it would fly in the face of what our dogshit youth indoctrination centers have become.
It's a great book. I re-read it not long ago.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 09, 2021 10:50 AM (llXky)
Yes I think it's a classic work by Conrad but can understand why it would fly in the face of what our dogshit youth indoctrination centers have become.
Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at May 09, 2021 10:59 AM (y7DUB)
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Chesterton also, sadly, succumbs to a Theory of his own. To his credit, the Theory is Catholicism, but at times it grips him as badly as Freudianism or Progressivism grip writers on the Left.
To GKC, Fundamentalist Protestants, Jews, atheists, Theosophists, American millionaires, Socialists, intellectuals, and imperialists were all somehow All In It Together because they were opposed to GKC's particular brand of Catholicism.
To GKC, Fundamentalist Protestants, Jews, atheists, Theosophists, American millionaires, Socialists, intellectuals, and imperialists were all somehow All In It Together because they were opposed to GKC's particular brand of Catholicism.
Posted by: Trimegistus at May 09, 2021 10:59 AM (QZxDR)
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The luckiest thing I that ever happened to me was my parents. I was Blessed there, and I don't take it lightly.
Posted by: Quint at May 09, 2021 10:56 AM (aqif7)
Me too.
Posted by: Quint at May 09, 2021 10:56 AM (aqif7)
Me too.
Posted by: LASue at May 09, 2021 10:59 AM (Ed8Zd)
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So, she's STILL dead ?
She's trying to beat Generalissimo Francisco Franco !
Posted by: JT at May 09, 2021 10:55 AM (arJlL)
Sorry, is it old news? I only just saw it late last night.
Hiya JT!
She's trying to beat Generalissimo Francisco Franco !
Posted by: JT at May 09, 2021 10:55 AM (arJlL)
Sorry, is it old news? I only just saw it late last night.
Hiya JT!
Posted by: Jordan61 at May 09, 2021 11:00 AM (s9fsa)
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Never read Gone With The Wind but I liked the movie well enough.
On a side note, 1939 was probably the greatest year ever for movies.
On a side note, 1939 was probably the greatest year ever for movies.
Posted by: Can't help myself at May 09, 2021 11:01 AM (2DOZq)
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Do we have a report on KT?
Posted by: Larro at May 09, 2021 11:01 AM (8ZRGA)
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NOOD
Posted by: Skip guy who says NOOD at May 09, 2021 11:01 AM (Cxk7w)
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411 Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at May 09, 2021 10:59 AM (y7DUB)
The story is now taught as stressing that the west has no right to inflict civilization.
I got an A on my report on it highlighting the fragility of civilization and the battle between morality and savagery in every human heart but the teacher was "disappointed" I missed some themes....IOW "muh west bad."
The story is now taught as stressing that the west has no right to inflict civilization.
I got an A on my report on it highlighting the fragility of civilization and the battle between morality and savagery in every human heart but the teacher was "disappointed" I missed some themes....IOW "muh west bad."
Posted by: sven at May 09, 2021 11:01 AM (Lzpvj)
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To GKC, Fundamentalist Protestants, Jews, atheists, Theosophists, American millionaires, Socialists, intellectuals, and imperialists were all somehow All In It Together because they were opposed to GKC's particular brand of Catholicism.
Yeah it doesn't come up as much in the Father Brown books, but its there: non-Catholics are all equally contemptible and probably working together because they will not submit to Mother Church. And sometimes their failure to do so is why they went wrong.
Yeah it doesn't come up as much in the Father Brown books, but its there: non-Catholics are all equally contemptible and probably working together because they will not submit to Mother Church. And sometimes their failure to do so is why they went wrong.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 09, 2021 11:01 AM (KZzsI)
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Jaws was basically a remake of Gone With the Wind. The shark is Scarlett and Quint is Rhett. He chases her until she catches him.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 09, 2021 11:02 AM (VVEnO)
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"Stradivarius-dee-dee!"
Posted by: Muldoon at May 09, 2021 11:02 AM (Fc5rx)
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"98 Who dis is Maila Nurmi. She set up the Horror host genre Elvira later made famous. Cleavage works.
"From Wiki: The Vampira Show was an American television show that broadcast vintage horror films presented by horror host Vampira."
As another has mentioned, you can see the "real" Vampira as an actress in "Plan Nine From Outer Space," or you can see a somewhat fictionalized version of her as a character in the movie "Ed Wood."
"From Wiki: The Vampira Show was an American television show that broadcast vintage horror films presented by horror host Vampira."
As another has mentioned, you can see the "real" Vampira as an actress in "Plan Nine From Outer Space," or you can see a somewhat fictionalized version of her as a character in the movie "Ed Wood."
Posted by: Lawdawg at May 09, 2021 11:02 AM (Pt1Bt)
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...capitalists unrestrained by moral representative government LOVE authoritarianism.
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I bet the trade-off is the government eventually controls how and what is produced, and that turns into a type of political system with a name and everything.
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I bet the trade-off is the government eventually controls how and what is produced, and that turns into a type of political system with a name and everything.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Important article about what's coming at May 09, 2021 11:03 AM (XTk1T)
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Best part of Gone With The Wind is when Rhett walks away from obnoxious, spoiled bitch Scarlett.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 09, 2021 11:03 AM (KZzsI)
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The media and the many had a deadly superficial love of bonnie clyde.
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Two psychopathic killers who were justifiably shot to pieces. I'm happy Hamer and the boys didn't spare any ammunition.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 09, 2021 10:35 AM (mht8P)
The Kevin Costner movie about the cops that gunned them down is damn good and they the aftermath of the shootouts, if made me pickup a book about the him and his life as a Texas ranger.
The only complaint is Netflix really really sugar coated the Female Texas Governor, she was a corrupt piece of crap, she fired all the Texas Rangers and replaced them with her cronies, she was also selling Pardons, and she is the reason that the Governor of Texas can no longer issue pardons with out approval from a commission.
The media and the many had a deadly superficial love of bonnie clyde.
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Two psychopathic killers who were justifiably shot to pieces. I'm happy Hamer and the boys didn't spare any ammunition.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 09, 2021 10:35 AM (mht8P)
The Kevin Costner movie about the cops that gunned them down is damn good and they the aftermath of the shootouts, if made me pickup a book about the him and his life as a Texas ranger.
The only complaint is Netflix really really sugar coated the Female Texas Governor, she was a corrupt piece of crap, she fired all the Texas Rangers and replaced them with her cronies, she was also selling Pardons, and she is the reason that the Governor of Texas can no longer issue pardons with out approval from a commission.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at May 09, 2021 11:04 AM (dKiJG)
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Failed romance and doomed love are like catnip for the ladies.
Posted by: naturalfake at May 09, 2021 10:59 AM (dWwl
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Oh, absolutely, but Clark Gable is a man's man. I think the phrase "Woman want him, men want to BE him," was invented for that role.
So many incredible scenes in that film, hard to pick out the best. Also, it does an amazing job of showing the impact of the war in subtle ways, like how the band keeps getting younger and younger.
And of course Hattie McDaniel won an Academy Award for her role. First black woman to do so, so when people try to cancel it, they're total racists stealing her achievement.
Posted by: naturalfake at May 09, 2021 10:59 AM (dWwl
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Oh, absolutely, but Clark Gable is a man's man. I think the phrase "Woman want him, men want to BE him," was invented for that role.
So many incredible scenes in that film, hard to pick out the best. Also, it does an amazing job of showing the impact of the war in subtle ways, like how the band keeps getting younger and younger.
And of course Hattie McDaniel won an Academy Award for her role. First black woman to do so, so when people try to cancel it, they're total racists stealing her achievement.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 09, 2021 11:05 AM (llXky)
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372 It was dull, annoying, and excessively over-long. There was only one somewhat likable character (Rhett) and it wasn't even that well filmed. Why on earth that film was and is so popular utterly baffles me. Scarlett is a totally unlikable brat, Rhett is a Slave-Owning crook, the other characters are so shallow and dull you can barely remember them, and the film is interminable, it felt like watching the Civil War run out in real time.
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Scarlett O'Hara is not a really appealing heroine on the face of it, although she comes across as more grounded than many Dickens protagonists. Rhett Butler is an interesting person because he's a man who is outside the system, not part of it, and yet he's the best person there. Anyway, both novel and movie were popular of these reasons:
1. It's the unofficial former CSA history of the Civil War and Reconstruction, told from the POV of a Southern woman. In that respect the story is very authentic. 2. If you like soap opera melodramas, this is a classic one! There is also a subversive sub-narrative in the mother-daughter relationship between Mammy & Scarlett. 3. The movie is a true cinematic classic, and deserved every Oscar it got.
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Scarlett O'Hara is not a really appealing heroine on the face of it, although she comes across as more grounded than many Dickens protagonists. Rhett Butler is an interesting person because he's a man who is outside the system, not part of it, and yet he's the best person there. Anyway, both novel and movie were popular of these reasons:
1. It's the unofficial former CSA history of the Civil War and Reconstruction, told from the POV of a Southern woman. In that respect the story is very authentic. 2. If you like soap opera melodramas, this is a classic one! There is also a subversive sub-narrative in the mother-daughter relationship between Mammy & Scarlett. 3. The movie is a true cinematic classic, and deserved every Oscar it got.
Posted by: exdem13 at May 09, 2021 11:06 AM (W+kMI)
Posted by: Donna&&&&&V at May 09, 2021 11:06 AM (HabA/)
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Fucking hell, it's snowing!
Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at May 09, 2021 11:07 AM (y7DUB)
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Heart of Darkness as an indictment of American racism is a great example of the Liberal Elastic We principle.
It is a principle with two parts. The first is that when Liberals say "We" they mean "You."
The second is that "We" expands as necessary to include any set large enough to encompass both You and whatever evil is being discussed.
So when Liberals say "We (You) are destroying the planet" the "We" stretches to include the People's Republic of China, Africa, and India, so that You can then be required to use mass transit to Save The Planet.
And when Liberals say "Heart of Darkness shows how We (You) are racist" the "We" is the set of All White People Who Have Ever Lived, so that You can be lectured for the sins of long-dead Europeans exploiting long-dead Africans.
Once you understand the Elastic We, many statements which seem insane can be properly understood as malicious lies, instead.
It is a principle with two parts. The first is that when Liberals say "We" they mean "You."
The second is that "We" expands as necessary to include any set large enough to encompass both You and whatever evil is being discussed.
So when Liberals say "We (You) are destroying the planet" the "We" stretches to include the People's Republic of China, Africa, and India, so that You can then be required to use mass transit to Save The Planet.
And when Liberals say "Heart of Darkness shows how We (You) are racist" the "We" is the set of All White People Who Have Ever Lived, so that You can be lectured for the sins of long-dead Europeans exploiting long-dead Africans.
Once you understand the Elastic We, many statements which seem insane can be properly understood as malicious lies, instead.
Posted by: Trimegistus at May 09, 2021 11:07 AM (QZxDR)
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The Kevin Costner movie about the cops that gunned them down is damn good and they the aftermath of the shootouts, if made me pickup a book about the him and his life as a Texas ranger.
That book was terrific, recommended. The full title is "Texas Ranger: The Epic Life of Frank Hamer, the Man Who Killed Bonnie and Clyde" by John Boessenecker
He's more man than even Texas could contain. You barely get a glimpse of how great and how amazing he was in the film and he comes across pretty amazing in it.
That book was terrific, recommended. The full title is "Texas Ranger: The Epic Life of Frank Hamer, the Man Who Killed Bonnie and Clyde" by John Boessenecker
He's more man than even Texas could contain. You barely get a glimpse of how great and how amazing he was in the film and he comes across pretty amazing in it.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 09, 2021 11:07 AM (KZzsI)
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I'm sorry. Maybe I didn't make myself clear.
There are some - and I hear from them here as well - whose mothers
aren't and weren't nurturing and loving but destructive and abusive. How
much can Mothers Day mean to them except a twinge of pain? I have
Masses said for my mother, who was a wonderful person, but I also pity
those not as lucky as I.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 09, 2021 10:58 AM (mht8P)
I understand what you are saying Hadrian. I think I was fair because I was honest and truly meant well. You want my honest opinion, the best time for this commentary would by yesterday and tomorrow. That is my honest opinion. But you said your thing. And I know we both truly want to support everyone, regardless of the mothers they had. No one should feel bad on this day. I sent my aunt a text earlier because I am closest to her and she is a mother.
I'm sorry. Maybe I didn't make myself clear.
There are some - and I hear from them here as well - whose mothers
aren't and weren't nurturing and loving but destructive and abusive. How
much can Mothers Day mean to them except a twinge of pain? I have
Masses said for my mother, who was a wonderful person, but I also pity
those not as lucky as I.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 09, 2021 10:58 AM (mht8P)
I understand what you are saying Hadrian. I think I was fair because I was honest and truly meant well. You want my honest opinion, the best time for this commentary would by yesterday and tomorrow. That is my honest opinion. But you said your thing. And I know we both truly want to support everyone, regardless of the mothers they had. No one should feel bad on this day. I sent my aunt a text earlier because I am closest to her and she is a mother.
Posted by: Quint at May 09, 2021 11:08 AM (aqif7)
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I dunno how great they were mechanically but Studebaker had many of the best looking cars ever made.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 09, 2021 10:53 AM (KZzsI)
Studebaker made 600,000 US6 military 6X6 trucks, most of which were given to Russia as lend-lease. They were the only heavy trucks the Soviets had.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 09, 2021 10:53 AM (KZzsI)
Studebaker made 600,000 US6 military 6X6 trucks, most of which were given to Russia as lend-lease. They were the only heavy trucks the Soviets had.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 09, 2021 11:08 AM (su6Fw)
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Becky Sharpe in "Vanity Fair" reminds me of Scarlett, but I think Sharpe is a far more interesting and subtly drawn character than Scarlett.
Posted by: Donna&&&&&V at May 09, 2021 11:08 AM (HabA/)
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if we are going to reach out, do it for the mother's most don't acknowledge. Who says you can only call your own mother on Mother's Day?
Posted by: Quint at May 09, 2021 11:09 AM (aqif7)
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I should think any fiction featuring 20-something modern urbanites would make the reader wish everyone would die horribly.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 09, 2021 10:45 AM (mht8P)
Oddly enough: I read "Such a fun age" by Kiley Reid (a selection from my daughter's book of the month club). The main character (Alix Chamberlain) is a white woman (idolizes life in NY with her girlfriends and a career as internet influencer). Her black nanny gets confronted at a grocery store one night and the book is how racism plays out. It was better than I expected (spoiler alert if anyone actually thinks they might read this - but Alix gets a gig with Hillary and there's some unintentionally schadenfreude-tastic line about Hillary losing because of course any reader would be in accord with Hillary's agenda). But all the characters are pretty "meh".
It has the typical liberal crap about racism - the nanny was likeable because she understood why the incident happened and didn't want to make it a big deal. It was all the white people who made it into a thing. And there was another "racist" incident in the book (continued)
I should think any fiction featuring 20-something modern urbanites would make the reader wish everyone would die horribly.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 09, 2021 10:45 AM (mht8P)
Oddly enough: I read "Such a fun age" by Kiley Reid (a selection from my daughter's book of the month club). The main character (Alix Chamberlain) is a white woman (idolizes life in NY with her girlfriends and a career as internet influencer). Her black nanny gets confronted at a grocery store one night and the book is how racism plays out. It was better than I expected (spoiler alert if anyone actually thinks they might read this - but Alix gets a gig with Hillary and there's some unintentionally schadenfreude-tastic line about Hillary losing because of course any reader would be in accord with Hillary's agenda). But all the characters are pretty "meh".
It has the typical liberal crap about racism - the nanny was likeable because she understood why the incident happened and didn't want to make it a big deal. It was all the white people who made it into a thing. And there was another "racist" incident in the book (continued)
Posted by: Iris at May 09, 2021 11:09 AM (6lKe4)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 09, 2021 11:09 AM (vOGqy)
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Continued - and the annoying thing about that racist incident is that it just NEVER occurs to the liberal that calling the police on someone breaking the law is the FAIR /right thing to do. No if the criminal is black, the repercussions are too serious and it can't be his fault - always to fault of the system.
/rant off.
So not really recommended unless you want a glimpse into the left mindset.
What I liked is that my 20-something daughter didn't like the characters either.
/rant off.
So not really recommended unless you want a glimpse into the left mindset.
What I liked is that my 20-something daughter didn't like the characters either.
Posted by: Iris at May 09, 2021 11:11 AM (6lKe4)
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Scarlett O'Hara is not a really appealing heroine on
the face of it, a
Posted by: exdem13 at May 09, 2021 11:06 AM (W+kMI)
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Box office receipts say you're wrong.
One can't dismiss her as a mere 'brat' because inside her superficial southern belle exterior she is utterly ruthless. That's what makes her interesting and admirable - she will honor her promises if it kills her, and it nearly does several times. She's deeply flawed, and flawed characters are always more interesting than perfect ones. Compare her with Jedi Mary Sue and tell me which is more compelling to watch.
the face of it, a
Posted by: exdem13 at May 09, 2021 11:06 AM (W+kMI)
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Box office receipts say you're wrong.
One can't dismiss her as a mere 'brat' because inside her superficial southern belle exterior she is utterly ruthless. That's what makes her interesting and admirable - she will honor her promises if it kills her, and it nearly does several times. She's deeply flawed, and flawed characters are always more interesting than perfect ones. Compare her with Jedi Mary Sue and tell me which is more compelling to watch.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 09, 2021 11:13 AM (llXky)
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And I know we both truly want to support everyone, regardless of the mothers they had.
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Thank you. Apologies if I spoke inaptly.
And I know we both truly want to support everyone, regardless of the mothers they had.
__________
Thank you. Apologies if I spoke inaptly.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 09, 2021 11:13 AM (mht8P)
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So when Liberals say "We (You) are destroying the planet" the "We" stretches to include the People's Republic of China, Africa, and India, so that You can then be required to use mass transit to Save The Planet.
The only place that leftists understand the individual to exist is themselves. Everything else is viewed only by collectives. If a white person does a bad thing, then all white people are guilty of that white thing because everyone is collective.
That's balanced out by their ludicrous, laughable clinging to the myth of the Noble Savage, believing that civilization and especially white culture is the cause of all evils and if left to their own devices, every non-white lived in an Eden-like paradise of peace and perfect harmony with nature until the evil Europeans showed up.
This is why Wakanda appeals so very much to white people: its like this fantasy confirmation of their beliefs about the noble savage untainted by white people and western civilization.
In this way, they can have the collective non-whites be innocent good people forced to desperate action and corrupted by white evil to do bad things but never individually guilty.
The only place that leftists understand the individual to exist is themselves. Everything else is viewed only by collectives. If a white person does a bad thing, then all white people are guilty of that white thing because everyone is collective.
That's balanced out by their ludicrous, laughable clinging to the myth of the Noble Savage, believing that civilization and especially white culture is the cause of all evils and if left to their own devices, every non-white lived in an Eden-like paradise of peace and perfect harmony with nature until the evil Europeans showed up.
This is why Wakanda appeals so very much to white people: its like this fantasy confirmation of their beliefs about the noble savage untainted by white people and western civilization.
In this way, they can have the collective non-whites be innocent good people forced to desperate action and corrupted by white evil to do bad things but never individually guilty.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 09, 2021 11:14 AM (KZzsI)
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That book was terrific, recommended. The full title is "Texas Ranger: The Epic Life of Frank Hamer, the Man Who Killed Bonnie and Clyde" by John Boessenecker
He's more man than even Texas could contain. You barely get a glimpse of how great and how amazing he was in the film and he comes across pretty amazing in it.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 09, 2021 11:07 AM (KZzsI)
Thank You I was looking it up in my library of audio books.
I am now watching a really good Anime on Roman Boxing, love how they also explain how ancient fights took place and how they fought and they don't sugar coat how life was like for the slave.
He's more man than even Texas could contain. You barely get a glimpse of how great and how amazing he was in the film and he comes across pretty amazing in it.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 09, 2021 11:07 AM (KZzsI)
Thank You I was looking it up in my library of audio books.
I am now watching a really good Anime on Roman Boxing, love how they also explain how ancient fights took place and how they fought and they don't sugar coat how life was like for the slave.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at May 09, 2021 11:14 AM (dKiJG)
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410 and for Jay Gatsby and most of Fitzgerald's men
Posted by: Rachel Mikvah at May 09, 2021 11:16 AM (ONvIw)
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Becky Sharpe in "Vanity Fair" reminds me of
Scarlett, but I think Sharpe is a far more interesting and subtly drawn
character than Scarlett.
Posted by: Donna
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The backdrop of the Civil War is more compelling though, and Scarlett faces much more personal danger.
I don't recall Becky Sharp shooting a looter, but I may have missed something.
Scarlett, but I think Sharpe is a far more interesting and subtly drawn
character than Scarlett.
Posted by: Donna
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The backdrop of the Civil War is more compelling though, and Scarlett faces much more personal danger.
I don't recall Becky Sharp shooting a looter, but I may have missed something.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 09, 2021 11:16 AM (llXky)
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Thank you. Apologies if I spoke inaptly.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 09, 2021 11:13 AM (mht8P)
you didn't .
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 09, 2021 11:13 AM (mht8P)
you didn't .
Posted by: Quint at May 09, 2021 11:17 AM (aqif7)
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Hadrian
I had a horrible mother, but she was mentally ill. Both physical and emotionally abusive. But I have raised 2 very strong, happy daughters who love me and who also have raised strong and happy daughters. My mothers day is wonderful, more wonderful than my own mother ever could imagine.
I had a horrible mother, but she was mentally ill. Both physical and emotionally abusive. But I have raised 2 very strong, happy daughters who love me and who also have raised strong and happy daughters. My mothers day is wonderful, more wonderful than my own mother ever could imagine.
Posted by: Megthered at May 09, 2021 11:17 AM (AdxHD)
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and same here. these are not the easiest of discussions. Take care my man!
Posted by: Quint at May 09, 2021 11:18 AM (aqif7)
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439 The movie version of Scarlett is nicer than the book version. She was very detached from her kids with Frank and Charles
Posted by: Rachel Mikvah at May 09, 2021 11:19 AM (ONvIw)
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Off foul crt sock
Posted by: CN at May 09, 2021 11:19 AM (ONvIw)
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Happy Mother's Day, y'all!
This week was a week for comfort and happiness, so I read The Substitute Bridegroom by Charlotte Louise Dolan. It's a Regency romance, which is just my cup of tea on those weeks where reality is just too, too much. Pretty decent read, nothing I would hand out to others to try. Unless you're in the market for non-steamy Regency. Then you should give it a try.
I am also continuing on with my listen (via Audible) of The Pickwick Papers, and it is utterly, utterly charming and lovely. I should finish the listen this week.
It's also time to pick out another read off my Classics Club reading list - hopefully something not as dire as the last few I have read.
Have a wonderful week!
This week was a week for comfort and happiness, so I read The Substitute Bridegroom by Charlotte Louise Dolan. It's a Regency romance, which is just my cup of tea on those weeks where reality is just too, too much. Pretty decent read, nothing I would hand out to others to try. Unless you're in the market for non-steamy Regency. Then you should give it a try.
I am also continuing on with my listen (via Audible) of The Pickwick Papers, and it is utterly, utterly charming and lovely. I should finish the listen this week.
It's also time to pick out another read off my Classics Club reading list - hopefully something not as dire as the last few I have read.
Have a wonderful week!
Posted by: SummaMamaT at May 09, 2021 11:20 AM (USQVR)
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I was going to start Brad Thor, I heard he was sort of conservative, but then found out he a severe and debilitating Case of Trump derangement syndrome. Eff him.
Posted by: Red clay at May 09, 2021 11:21 AM (zakMt)
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439 The movie version of Scarlett is nicer than the book version. She was very detached from her kids with Frank and Charles
Posted by: Rachel Mikvah at May 09, 2021 11:19 AM (ONvIw)
I recall a comedian or someone who did a riff on the book Scarlett. The fan loved the book but had never hear of Gone With the Wind. I guess we all can see how this line might go one You could riff on this in many ways.
Posted by: Rachel Mikvah at May 09, 2021 11:19 AM (ONvIw)
I recall a comedian or someone who did a riff on the book Scarlett. The fan loved the book but had never hear of Gone With the Wind. I guess we all can see how this line might go one You could riff on this in many ways.
Posted by: Quint at May 09, 2021 11:23 AM (aqif7)
Posted by: Anthony Trollope at May 09, 2021 11:25 AM (pbStR)
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430 WTF does Heart of Darkness have to do with America? Besides of course mistaking Apocalypse Now with Conrad's book.
Posted by: CN at May 09, 2021 11:26 AM (ONvIw)
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The movie version of Scarlett is nicer than the book version. She was very detached from her kids with Frank and Charles
Posted by: Rachel Mikvah at May 09, 2021 11:19 AM (ONvIw)
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Yes, the book Scarlett is kind of a nasty piece of work, especially with the way she preferred Bonnie over her other children. Wade Hampton Hamilton was pretty much ignored.
Posted by: Rachel Mikvah at May 09, 2021 11:19 AM (ONvIw)
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Yes, the book Scarlett is kind of a nasty piece of work, especially with the way she preferred Bonnie over her other children. Wade Hampton Hamilton was pretty much ignored.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 09, 2021 11:26 AM (llXky)
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I don't recall Becky Sharp shooting a looter, but I may have missed something.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd
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Yankee looter. But, that's redundant.
I don't recall Becky Sharp shooting a looter, but I may have missed something.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd
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Yankee looter. But, that's redundant.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 09, 2021 11:27 AM (vOGqy)
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455 And she wished Ella Kennedy had died rather than Bonnie, as she was not pretty.
Posted by: CN at May 09, 2021 11:27 AM (ONvIw)
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Yankee looter. But, that's redundant.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 09, 2021 11:27 AM (vOGqy)
crap, you went there.
Yankee looter. But, that's redundant.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 09, 2021 11:27 AM (vOGqy)
crap, you went there.
Posted by: Quint at May 09, 2021 11:28 AM (aqif7)
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WTF does Heart of Darkness have to do with America? Besides of course mistaking Apocalypse Now with Conrad's book.
Posted by: CN at May 09, 2021 11:26 AM (ONvIw)
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I've read King Leopold's Ghost and one of the things that stood out to me was how lousy the Belgians were at colonialism. They got everything exactly wrong, neither seeking to civilize and convert or simply build commercial relationships but leaving the various parties largely on their own.
The way that they abused their native levies - which naturally led them to mutiny - is just astonishing. Then again, given Belgium's battlefield performance, it's not surprising.
Posted by: CN at May 09, 2021 11:26 AM (ONvIw)
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I've read King Leopold's Ghost and one of the things that stood out to me was how lousy the Belgians were at colonialism. They got everything exactly wrong, neither seeking to civilize and convert or simply build commercial relationships but leaving the various parties largely on their own.
The way that they abused their native levies - which naturally led them to mutiny - is just astonishing. Then again, given Belgium's battlefield performance, it's not surprising.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 09, 2021 11:28 AM (llXky)
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I am also continuing on with my listen (via Audible) of The Pickwick Papers, and it is utterly, utterly charming and lovely. I should finish the listen this week.
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Why in the dickens are you listening to that?
I am also continuing on with my listen (via Audible) of The Pickwick Papers, and it is utterly, utterly charming and lovely. I should finish the listen this week.
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Why in the dickens are you listening to that?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 09, 2021 11:29 AM (vOGqy)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, stirring the pot at May 09, 2021 11:30 AM (vOGqy)
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Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at May 09, 2021 11:28 AM (llXky)
many feel the same way. If you were in theory colonized, the chance you would pick Belgium is next to nil.
many feel the same way. If you were in theory colonized, the chance you would pick Belgium is next to nil.
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It's interesting to see how the abuses of Belgian rule in the Congo were almost exactly duplicated in Brazil during the Amazon rubber boom. Main difference was that the Brazilians finally decided that yes, Amazon Indians are Brazilian citizens and therefore you can't just go around murdering them for rubber.
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459 yet the world focuses on us. French snd British West indies had far more slaves as well.
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115 Another book I read was Father Robert Spitzer's The Soul's Upward Yearning. Published in 2015, it is an examination of the the proofs of the existence of the human soul and God. Fr. Spitzer essentially distilled many writings, ranging from Plato to the 21st C., for this book. He makes the argument that humans are inclined towards a yearning for perfect truth (reality), love, justice (goodness) and beauty. He then dives into proofs for God's existence and gives counter-arguments refuting Stephen Hawking, Richard Dawkins and the multi-verse. While not an easy read, I found it to quite profound. There are extensive citations and a large bibliography. Rating = 5.0/5.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at May 09, 2021 08:55 AM (pJWtt)
Glad you enjoyed Spitzer's book. I may need to pick it up. I read his book on engaging people on abortion. It had some good insights.
Looked him up. At one time he was the President of Gonzaga Univ in Spokane. I get the impression he was too religious for them [or traditional/rational]. Cont in Pt 2
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at May 09, 2021 08:55 AM (pJWtt)
Glad you enjoyed Spitzer's book. I may need to pick it up. I read his book on engaging people on abortion. It had some good insights.
Looked him up. At one time he was the President of Gonzaga Univ in Spokane. I get the impression he was too religious for them [or traditional/rational]. Cont in Pt 2
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Pt 2
For example he got into with the Lefties over an on-campus performance of The Vagina Monologues. Debated a college prof. Read a transcript. Spitzer didn't take the bait when the prof joked "Maybe Fr. Spitzer is afraid of vaginas."
Reason I am not a priest and not the best Christian. I would have said, "Well, I may be afraid of vaginas, but I am certainly not afraid of assholes, professor."
For example he got into with the Lefties over an on-campus performance of The Vagina Monologues. Debated a college prof. Read a transcript. Spitzer didn't take the bait when the prof joked "Maybe Fr. Spitzer is afraid of vaginas."
Reason I am not a priest and not the best Christian. I would have said, "Well, I may be afraid of vaginas, but I am certainly not afraid of assholes, professor."
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Medina the KY derby winner was on steroids,so were the crowd not on botox.
I keep forgetting the rules for Kipling and I always end up naked with a horse. My Old Kentucky Horn?
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Medina the KY derby winner was on steroids,so were the crowd not on botox.
I keep forgetting the rules for Kipling and I always end up naked with a horse. My Old Kentucky Horn?
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Thanks again. More for my list. I thought y'all's running conversation about Catcher in the Rye was very interesting on all sides. Personally I liked Holden and the book very much, but I can see the other side of things too. How's that for a meaningfully bland reaction?
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#73 above: "You probably didn't want to be the guy who was assigned to sit behind, next to, or even in front of, Eystein Foul-Fart, especially if heavy rowing was involved.
I'm guessing those were rookie jobs."
Rodrigo Borgia.
I once read that a standard joke in Athenian comic drama was to show rowers in a trireme bending forward for the next oar stroke and one oarsman letting one rip into the face of the man behind him. Given that a lot of Athenians would have been oarsmen in the navy and very likely had this experience it was one of those "its funny cuz it's true" jokes.
I'm guessing those were rookie jobs."
Rodrigo Borgia.
I once read that a standard joke in Athenian comic drama was to show rowers in a trireme bending forward for the next oar stroke and one oarsman letting one rip into the face of the man behind him. Given that a lot of Athenians would have been oarsmen in the navy and very likely had this experience it was one of those "its funny cuz it's true" jokes.
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Whig @397 above: "Kipling is the more approachable, perhaps because he was an outsider to the British mainstream being both of mixed race and from the colonies."
Where do you get the idea that Kipling was "mixed race"?
Where do you get the idea that Kipling was "mixed race"?
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