Gun Thread: 9th Circus Edition! [Weasel]

Howdy y'all, and welcome to the Gun Thread! Time to grab your favorite beverage, some snacks and your woobie, and settle in for our weekly discussion of our fav-o-rite thing, Guns 'n Shooting! Oh, I'd like to take this opportunity to officially welcome all of the new nics we've seen commenting and contributing content lately, and offer a bigly Gun Thread thank you!

To the rest of you reprobates, keep sending your ideas and range reports. This is your Gun Thread, and to a large extent you get to decide what we all see here. The GT email is included at the bottom of the thread every week.

With that, let's get to the content below, shall we?

Show of hands; who doesn't hate clowns? I mean, has anyone in the history of the universe not hated clowns? And who are the very worst clowns? The bottom of the clown barrel so to speak? Well it's not happy clowns, or sad clowns, or even scary clowns. The very worst clowns are the ones who make clownish decisions regarding how the rest of us will live. Of course, I'm talking about the clowns on the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit. These are the worst clowns. FYI - I am also no fan of Mimes, but we'll save them for another day.

Recently, in a 7 - 4 opinion, the Court essentially decided the 2nd Amendment does not extend outside the home. The case in question involved a resident of Hawaii who had been twice denied a carry license under the state's law requiring, among other things, applicants to demonstrate "the urgency or the need" and to be "engaged in the protection of life and property" in order to be licensed to openly carry a firearm in public. The same court has previously found that persons do not have the right to carry concealed weapons, either. Here is the opinion if you want to read it for yourself.

I'm not bringing this up to debate the legal theory or merits of the argument. The reason I am bringing this up is to highlight how our rights under the 2nd Amendment are constantly under attack, and how we need to put our money where our mouths are. Getting rilly, rilly, rilly mad on internet forums ain't enough. We need to support the organizations who are committed to protecting our rights. These are groups such as Gun Owners of America, Second Amendment Foundation, and yep, the National Rifle Association.

I have been somewhat critical of the NRA here in the past, but the fact remains they are by far the largest 2nd Amendment organization in the world. Say what you will about their current leadership and organizational practices, but they're the one with the membership numbers, plain and simple. They are the organization who the anti-2nd Amendment organizations have to fight. It sort of pains me to say this, because I believe organizations such as the Gun Owners of America and Second Amendment Foundation do great work, but at the end of the day the NRA remains the big daddy of gun rights organizations, and it is essential they remain strong and in the fight.

Questionable leadership antics aside for now, one of the biggest gripes about the NRA from its membership is their relentless fundraising campaign. Quite frankly that's a big part of the reason I became a Life Member many years ago. There is a simpler and more economical way to manage this however, sent to us by our pal Jim, Sunk New Dawn

How To NOT Get NRA Junk Mail, Nor Suffer Robocalls On Their Behalf
This works for NEW or EXISTING memberships.
Make a VOICE CALL (do not email) to the Membership Desk at the NRA. 1-800-672-3888.
When you connect with a rep, utter the following phrase EXACTLY as written: "I want you to code my membership as NO PROMOTIONS." Once the rep acknowledges this; "Please do so now, and CONFIRM back to me that you have coded my membership as NO PROMOTIONS...Thank you!"
They have a list of Membership Categories as a menu on their screen. "NO PROMOTIONS" is one such, is ONLY actuated when those EXACT WORDS are spoken to the Customer Service Agent. If you tell them you don't want junk mail, those words do not exist on their menu. Same as if you tell them you don't want robo-calls. Your plea will avail to precisely nothing.
So, now you can join the NRA without fear. And without junk mail. Please do join though, the strength in numbers is a REAL factor in these fights.

As Jim SND mentioned, a weakened NRA isn't going to do any of us any good, and membership numbers need to be seen going up and not down. It may be nice to see some of the more odious executive leadership squirm, but that's not going to help the fight. Think about it. I wholeheartedly recommend supporting the smaller organizations, but we need the NRA to succeed as well. If you disagree with the leadership, then take the time to let them know by email or call them at 1-800-672-3888. If you want to burn a stamp, the mailing address is:

National Rifle Association of America
11250 Waples Mill Road
Fairfax, VA 22030

So give it some thought. I realize it may be irksome, but consider supporting the NRA. The left is not going to stop the their attempts to infringe on our 2nd Amendment rights, and we need organizations of the NRA's size and organizational scale to maintain a cohesive and united resistance.

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First up we have a question from our pal CBD.

The head of my local club, the guy who is always there and who has kept it running for about 40 years, bought an AutoMag III and the gunsmith who checked it out for him bent the hammer strut. He doesn't want to just bend it back because it may very well snap and he has been unsuccessful in finding a replacement. Obviously if he heats it he will be able to bend it back, but then what about re-tempering it? What temp, how long, and in what liquid? I am sure that someone out there knows how to do it, or could even fabricate a new one.

So how about it? Here's your chance to suck-up to CBD, and earn some extra AoSHQ Blog credit to make up for your ill-advised sous vide criticism or support of maple syrup!

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Next we have an awesome range and project report from our pal Glen The Deplorable Lurker

Thought I'd send through some pics of a project deplorable boy and I got up to last spring. Our lease range lacked pistol targets, so we built a couple to place out at the trap range. We had a blast building them, and the boy put his first rounds down range into them. More than anything, it was good father/son bonding time over manly activities. Deplorable boy got to put some rounds through momma's SR22, and I did a little blasting with the SD9VE to test the new Apex trigger and spring kit, the best $50 I've ever spent. He also spent a little time plinking away with his Red Ryder BB gun.
I think the most enjoyable part for him, though, is getting to ride in the front seat of the truck on the lease.

I love reports like this. What could be better than a father-son project and range time?

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Next up, we have some thoughts on gun cleaning from our pal A.H. Lloyd

There are a lot of questions that can excite furious debate among gun owners, such as 9mm or .45 ACP or just how badly Glocks suck. But one topic that doesn't seem to do that is how often guns need cleaning. Everyone agrees it ought to happen, but the frequency is a little vague. I'm one of those few who does have a strong opinion on this topic and my answer is: guns need to be cleaned after each and every use. There are three normal reasons for this, plus one extra COVID one which I will get to at the end.
The first reason is that the more you clean, the easier it is. Conversely, if you go shooting with even a mildly dirty gun, the earlier carbon and fouling is now baked in and that much harder to extract. Revolvers tend to be more tolerant of filth than auto-loaders, but even they are subject to the same rule. In fact, I've found .38 Special to almost always be one of the dirtiest cartridges to clean up after. Do yourself a favor and stay on top of it.
I'm sure some will come back with the fact that Noted YouTube Experts have been quoted as saying they only clean after several hundred rounds. The thing is, these are often professional shooters, who know their weapons intimately. They also are using custom or high-grade ammunition, so they have an idea of exactly how much their weapon can take before having issues.
For everyone else, it's a lot less clear. Dirt and fouling may not by themselves cause a malfunction but they can be a factor. I had an experience quite recently of an experienced shooter using his trusted, but dirty, weapon with an unfamiliar kind of ammunition, and the combination of fouling and underpowered load gave him no end of trouble. Happily he was just doing some plinking at the range, so the consequences weren't serious. If you need your weapon between your "scheduled cleanings," you could be in for an unpleasant surprise. Why risk it?
The second reason is that when you clean, you're also doing a lot more. Cleaning gives you a chance to check the various mechanics of your weapon, such as springs, screws, pins and so on. Guess what? Screws work themselves loose and pins can break. Nice to notice that before it becomes a problem. Cleaning also involves lubrication, which can be very beneficial depending on the firearm.
This ties into the third reason which is that by cleaning your firearm, you get to really know it. This is especially important for new owners. Notice I didn't say "new shooters," because even experienced shooters can be caught off guard by the quirks of an unfamiliar firearm. Range time is good, dry-fire exercises helpful, but cleaning is essential to fully knowing how the thing works.
As I noted above, experienced shooters may bend this rule from time to time. I myself have made the decision to put off cleaning when a given gun saw very little use in a session and I knew I'd get it out again very soon. Another factor is what you use it for. If the gun is more of a novelty item rather than something you'll use for self-defense, than the rules are a little more lax.
If you just bought a used gun, you should absolutely clean it after every use because you have no idea how badly the former owner treated it. Mud, gunk, dirt - sometimes I think people sell guns just so they don't have to clean them. You also may contend with worn springs, bent pins and other items that maybe the online auction or examination at the gun store couldn't show you.
So those are the normal reasons to clean guns early and often, but the new COVID one is that ammo is insane right now, and you may be reduced to buying something in a plain brown box from a manufacturer you never heard of. Guess what? Some of that stuff can be corrosive and if you don't clean it out right away, you will mess up your barrel.
Erudite Book Thread Morons who read Evelyn Waugh, but I repeat myself, know from his wartime recollections that the British used really nasty stuff in both world wars and poured hot water down their barrels to wash out the residue. Here in the US, corrosive ammunition used to be quite rare, but in the present shortage every forgotten Soviet storage bin is being thrown open and the contents placed on the market. In fact, I'm not convinced that we aren't getting ammunition that was slated for destruction.
Even if the ammunition isn't corrosive, you may have no idea how it will perform. Again, the guy whose gun gave him grief has been shooting for decades, and therefore was casual about cleaning. It took one box of Mystery Ammo to ruin his shooting experience with constant failures to cycle.
Do yourself a favor: keep it clean. It really doesn't take that much time and the benefits absolutely outweigh the risks.

A.H. Lloyd makes excellent points. How about you all? Do you clean after every use?

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Next, our pal WTM shares a range and police activity report!

It's been a rough week for shooters in these latitudes. Lots of rain and then lots of wind. The range wasn't too wet yesterday, but, boy, was it windy. So much for tweaking the sights on my .223 and .22LR. I fired a few rounds and called it quits. Then to the pistol range.
The big news was that there had been a break-in the day before in the parking lot adjacent to the firing lines. This parking lot is about 300' long and parallels the pistol and rifle ranges. Here is how it is arranged. looking at the pistol range on the far west end.

One of the RSO's with whom I have become chummy told me that he had seen a vehicle slowly going up and down behind those parked, evidently looking for someone or something. He saw it come to a stop but didn't think anything of it until a woman, who had been shooting a rifle, went to her car to change firearms and found that the driver's window had been shattered, the door unlocked, and her purse, which had been left on the passenger seat, was missing.
This range is in a rural area, so the Harris County Sheriff's Department was called. The deputy, upon arriving, asked the woman what all she had done prior to coming to the range, and her last stop beforehand had been at an ATM, where she made a large withdrawal. He stopped her there, stating that she had been marked at the bank and had simply been followed to the range. He said there was an organized gang in Houston doing this and that it took them less than 10 seconds to break in, grab her purse, and leave. She stated that she had left her purse on the seat since, and I quote, "I thought it would be safe with so many people with guns nearby". Today, she is no doubt sadder but wiser. To the lady morons reading this: Please don't make the same mistake. Trust no one.
Otherwise, I had an uneventful day, other than finding about 100 rounds of .300 Win Mag, .270, .30-06, and .308 brass in the trash. I also found this ammo box, which illustrates just how bad things have become in this age of Defund the Police and ongoing Dim threats to grab guns. Pretty ordinary, huh? Wait until you see the end flap.

Wait for it.... Waaaait for it...!

Holy Shit! - Weasel

That's right - over $100 with tax for a box of .38 Special. The previous champion had been a box of 20 .300 Win Mag with a $55 price tag. I have never been so glad that I reload in my life, and now look fondly at my jug of 1000 .38+P that I reloaded for about $0.15 each. Here it be. Good luck to all, and keep locked and loaded.

Ho-Lee-Shit!! Somebody really wanted that box of .38 Special. Unreal. Please, people, assuming the ammo situation returns to normal, please, please, please make sure you have what you need ammo-wise to ride out the next 'thing'.

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Next up our pal and delightful 'ette Jane D'oh sends the following.

So while kids in the U.S. are learning about proper pronoun use, the Rooskies are learning to strip and reassemble weapons. Great. Juuust great. Thanks Jane D'oh!

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Next we have a question from our pal tbodie which I wasn't able to answer, so I thought I'd ask for your help.

I am considering buying a pistol caliber carbine (PCC) for Mrs. tbodie for home defense. I looked around the internet and did not find any useful information. Do you experience with / know of any good resources for researching PCC's?

How about it? Any suggestions?

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Next up, our pal Chris from Delaware reports he had a very productive month!

Had 3 weekends in a row with shooting. First. took a young friend to the range to get him a bit of practice.
The next weekend was an annual camping/shooting weekend in central Virginia. The old adage of "if it ain't raining, you ain't training" was unfortunately proven. Wet red clay trails with wet leaves for a topping yields interesting driving, especially on off camber sections. My young friend had a chance to play at various ranges out to 200 yards and practice some reloading drills. I introduced the owner of the property to the joys of cap 'n ball revolvers with a brass frame Remington replica and a Walker. A little bit of Hawken/roundball fun as well.
The third weekend was a Glock match and doing 6 seconds on the knockdown plates felt pretty good. Watching one fellow do it in 3 flat was humbling. Watching him get trounced by a 2.8 second run was more humbling.
Lucked into some Hornady cowboy slugs at the local Cabela's. Lucked into a good trade for some large pistol primers. Now all I need is a supply of powder and the cowboy guns will remain fed.

Sounds like a great month, Chris in Delaware!

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Georgia Arms
AmmoMan
Target Sports USA
Bud's Gun Shop

***Mail Bag***

This week's Mail Bag entry comes courtesy of our pal Fungus Boy.

Don't be this guy!

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

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1 Ding!

Posted by: RI Red at March 28, 2021 07:00 PM (UcFqt)

2
Load & Make Ready!!!

Posted by: AltonJackson at March 28, 2021 07:00 PM (n3A9M)

3 gun thread after grub thread! Woot!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at March 28, 2021 07:00 PM (2SdPm)

4 BANG!

Posted by: redc1c4 (*OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated) at March 28, 2021 07:01 PM (+8qae)

5 Now to read.
Then comment. At length. Inanely.

Posted by: RI Red at March 28, 2021 07:01 PM (UcFqt)

6 Is that Weasel on top?

Posted by: Skip at March 28, 2021 07:01 PM (Cxk7w)

7 Yeah Buddy

Posted by: That Guy What Always says Yeah Buddy TM at March 28, 2021 07:01 PM (R5lpX)

8 Weasel!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 28, 2021 07:01 PM (kTF2Z)

9 Where did you get that picture of CBD?

Posted by: ALH, of the Sisterhood of Blonds at March 28, 2021 07:02 PM (oUcR5)

10 I like clowns, I am a half breed....

Dad was a rodeo clown, and mom was bi-polar so I was born a mime.

Posted by: sven at March 28, 2021 07:03 PM (Lzpvj)

11 who doesn't hate clowns?

We love clowns.

Posted by: Democrats at March 28, 2021 07:03 PM (W4eKo)

12 hiya

Posted by: JT at March 28, 2021 07:04 PM (arJlL)

13 11 Posted by: Democrats at March 28, 2021 07:03 PM (W4eKo)

sigh

Posted by: sven at March 28, 2021 07:05 PM (Lzpvj)

14 scored 5#s of powder and 1K small rifle primers yesterday... 2 Unique, 2 Red Dot and their last Bullseye... didn't pay the pre-panic price on the bottles, but wasn't charged the "new normal" price either.

Posted by: redc1c4 (*OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated) at March 28, 2021 07:05 PM (+8qae)

15 Sundowner is supposed to be signing his anti-2nd EO this week. I still haven't read it, doubt Sundowner has either.

Posted by: Skip at March 28, 2021 07:05 PM (Cxk7w)

16 More seriously, the theft at a range in Harris county is not a low order of probability event as the donks continue their march to seeming anarchy.

They are reducing the prosecution and sentencing of crimes against property because they want the jail room for crimes against right-think.

Be wary, travel as light as you can when you travel.

Posted by: sven at March 28, 2021 07:06 PM (Lzpvj)

17 I felt guilty not cleaning my pistol after 1 outing, 2 times now should do it. It's probably best to after each as never know when next might come.

Posted by: Skip at March 28, 2021 07:08 PM (Cxk7w)

18 Happy Gun Thread!

and now back to gardening before I lose too much light ...

Posted by: Adriane the Dear Lord Critic ... at March 28, 2021 07:08 PM (LPnfS)

19 15 Sundowner is supposed to be signing his anti-2nd EO this week. I still haven't read it, doubt Sundowner has either.
Posted by: Skip at March 28, 2021 07:05 PM (Cxk7w)

The argument for abortions is that if it isn't legal, women will get them anyway.
I think the same thing will happen when guns are outlawed. We will all be outlaws.

Posted by: ALH, of the Sisterhood of Blonds at March 28, 2021 07:08 PM (oUcR5)

20 Oh my. I just bought some 38 special for $23/box, and some .357 about the same. Prices seem to be slowly going back down, I got some more 45/ACP. I still need to take my 1911 apart and polish it to solve that loading issue I mentioned a couple of weeks back.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at March 28, 2021 07:08 PM (46GDR)

21 Hello Gub threaders!

Posted by: blaster at March 28, 2021 07:08 PM (w2z2p)

22 Judas Priest Weasel!!!! You gave me a start with that clown picture!!After reading the content I am going to quietly shuffle off and pull out the cleaning kit.
No range report but I did pick up an accessory for my rifle. Got a new bipod. I was remembering what Weasel had said at last years TXMoMe about how my bipod should not wobble. So I got one that does not cant.Hopefully will take it to the range next weekend.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 28, 2021 07:09 PM (lfet/)

23 I've watched Forged in Fire so I'm pretty sure I could fix that pin. Heat it up, bang it straight, and quench in oil. Then your weapon will keeeeel.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 28, 2021 07:09 PM (kTF2Z)

24 Load Make Ready!!!

Posted by: AltonJackson at March 28, 2021 07:00 PM

Front rank kneel, second rank fire.......

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at March 28, 2021 07:09 PM (JUOKG)

25 Range fun. Well, as in shooting in someone's backyard.

You have to love South Carolina. Well, maybe not the fact that the liquor stores close at 7 pm - this is some sort of barbarism. But at a friend's house, they have an earthen dam for the pond that makes a dandy backstop. Just kind of shooting to shoot, not really for skill improvement. The guy I was shooting with was a state champ in his age bracket in clays but he didn't bring out his $6000 Beretta over and under. More's the pity.

Posted by: blaster at March 28, 2021 07:09 PM (w2z2p)

26 make up for your ill-advised sous vide criticism or support of maple syrup!

Was that wrong? Should I not have done that? I tell you, I gotta plead ignorance on this thing, because if anyone had said anything to me at all when I first started commenting here that that sort of thing is frowned upon ... you know, cause I've commented on a lot of blogs, and I tell you, people do that all the time.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 28, 2021 07:10 PM (DMUuz)

27 Why quench the steel unless you are certain it needs to be hardened? Get it tested.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at March 28, 2021 07:10 PM (03n3v)

28 I just saw: in CA 2020, over 1,100,000 firearms were purchased. More than half of that handguns. In 2021, it's well over 100k just the first 2 months.

I'm hoping most of these are going to sane people for self defense. But if not, practice, practice, practice!

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at March 28, 2021 07:10 PM (46GDR)

29 Looka all the content! Back in a short

McGyver, Over

Posted by: McGyver at March 28, 2021 07:10 PM (Iw46i)

30 and the gunsmith who checked it out for him bent the hammer strut.

CBD, can you verify it's steel, using a magnet?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 28, 2021 07:11 PM (DMUuz)

31 Range report, part 1: I sold a gun to a buddy of mine, and, apparently, it didn't work. Which irritated me to no end, because I'd shot it in a match, cleaned it, and put it away for sale. I sold the gun, buddy said, "hey, seems to have an issue."

"Say what?"

We got together at the range, I've got far more gun experience than my buddy, and, yep, gun no longer works.

Sigh. So, I will be refunding full purchase price and transfer fees and invite him to keep the weapon, because there is no way I am going to pay to transfer a non functioning weapon back to me. But, I feel fortunate it's a friend, because if I'd have sold a defective gun to Joe Anonymous, well, that would have really gone badly.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at March 28, 2021 07:11 PM (2SdPm)

32 Range fun 2/x

We shot a 10/22 with lots of pew pew (had a BX25 mag) , and a Ruger 22 pistol that decided that single shot was the mode to be in. That wasn't as much fun as a pocket knife was necessary as an auxiliary extractor. They had a Navy .35 automatic rifle but they didn't have any ammo for it. Interesting piece to look at. (DDG says this is a Remington Model 8?)

Posted by: blaster at March 28, 2021 07:11 PM (w2z2p)

33 Perchance do any members of the horde shoot at Hill Country Shooting Sports in Kerrville, Texas?

I've been a member there for several years and it is without a doubt the best all around shooting range I've ever been to.

Anyway, if any of y'all shoot there, or are interested in shooting there, drop a comment.

Posted by: Alamo at March 28, 2021 07:12 PM (kwSw6)

34 On topic, if only tangentially so... I started watching Handmaid's Tale on Hulu.

It's not that they'd ever do stuff like that to women, but I guaran-damn-tee they'll do it to us. Closing bank accounts, terminating employment, using us as labor, et al.

The only difference is the guns. But they absolutely have the will. Do we?

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, single and SuperStraight at March 28, 2021 07:12 PM (cvNl1)

35 Tbodie,

Good luck with a PCC, my first point for you to ponder is "what caliber is the pistol we use?"

The reason I bring this up is many semi-auto PCCs have some degree of magazine interchangeability with a pistol of the same caliber. Technically a 16" barreled lever rifle is a PCC, but most people in the modern era mean semi-auto. I am looking for a Ruger PC Carbine, ideally in the gen 2 housing in 9mm.

The reason I chose this weapon is it breaks down, shares chambering with wife's ruger security 9, and is handy and accurate to a fault.

We rented one and waited to buy so instead of paying 495 as we should have we will likely *if* we can find one pay 685.

Democrats and inflation literally suck.

Posted by: sven at March 28, 2021 07:12 PM (Lzpvj)

36 Range fun 3/3

Shot the Sig 226, and a Bushmaster (pre-Remington) AR15. And then first shots from the Mossberg .308 Scout Rifle. That is a BOOMstick! My experience with .308 was with an M14 some number of years ago. The M14 has some amount of heft on the Scout - the carbine length polymer stock rifle weighs about what an AR15 does ~ 7 lbs. It does have significantly more recoil. But it will put bullets where you point it, and that is the main thing. The stock 10 round mag seems like a LOT of ammo. It will take M1A1 and AR10 mags so you can go 20 or 30 if you want to. That would make it weigh a lot more, too.

Posted by: blaster at March 28, 2021 07:13 PM (w2z2p)

37 Kid has an auburn shirt on, happy to send him a Crimson Tide championship shirt. Just thinking of his overall self-esteem.

Posted by: Only Context at March 28, 2021 07:13 PM (xEIoY)

38 I belong to both the NRA and Gun Owners of America. I still worry that I will get that knock on the door and the NYPD will be there to confiscate my legal firearm all because Comrade DeBolshevik wants to look like he is doing something.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 28, 2021 07:13 PM (lfet/)

39 CBD, any farrier with a forge can fix that in a heartbeat and you want to cool it in a mixture of oil and sand.

Posted by: Ben Had at March 28, 2021 07:14 PM (hkfig)

40 So I got one that does not cant.Hopefully will take it to the range next weekend.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 28, 2021 07:09 PM (lfet/)

Interesting...I got a Harris bipod for the AR-10 and I really enjoyed the swivel/cant feature.

I'm thinking of getting another one for my Left hand build AR-15.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 28, 2021 07:14 PM (Q9lwr)

41 Posted by: Alamo at March 28, 2021 07:12 PM (kwSw6)
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I had a very old and dear friend who probably shot there. Drop me a line sometime.

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 07:14 PM (MVjcR)

42 Range Report: Part two, mistakes learned from: I shot a high power match yesterday, and, while my scores are best ignored, I managed to overcome previous mistakes I'd made. I even went so far as to grab my ballistics chart for my K31 and use the information contained within to get my sighter shot in the black, 1 more MOA adjustment, and, I'm golden.

Off-hand didn't go well, other than I managed to do a decent job of trigger control

Sitting and prone rapid fire went well, and, I learned to go with a mag change over using the Swiss reloading device.

Prone slow fire was good, but, it's amazing how fast 22 minutes for 22 shots can go by. Fun day all the way around.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at March 28, 2021 07:15 PM (2SdPm)

43 38 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 28, 2021 07:13 PM (lfet/)

When you have a clearance you get a telephone call telling YOU to knock on the door and "comply with x."

Posted by: sven at March 28, 2021 07:15 PM (Lzpvj)

44 Evenin', all! I really should join some gun groups. Sigh. I really want to learn to shoot competitively someday (I'm told by more than one person I have the potential and need the know-how). It's probably the only way I will find someone to sell me regular instruction that I trust.

NW MO weather had been great for shooting, but between "normal" life and home improvement I'm like a chicken with its head cut off.

Thanks for the thread, Weasel! Once I find an instructor, I really will get you an M1 Garand story.

Posted by: Catherine -- who generally doesn't curse. at March 28, 2021 07:15 PM (3xOfR)

45 Re: water to clean guns

Maybe there are some chemistry types here that can clarify.

The reason water was used back in the day, salt or salts as a class, the corrosive residue of older ammo are not dissolved, nor neutralized by oil. The residues will happily corrode barrel steel under a thick layer of oil or grease.

Posted by: Common Tater at March 28, 2021 07:15 PM (eXYC7)

46 No range today. Sad!

Range yesterday with Jr. Glad!

Shootin' wheelguns. Very retro satisfying.

Posted by: RI Red at March 28, 2021 07:16 PM (UcFqt)

47 I'm thinking of getting another one for my Left hand build AR-15.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 28, 2021 07:14 PM (Q9lwr)
Hmmmm, I think I may have what you are looking for.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 28, 2021 07:16 PM (lfet/)

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Posted by: Catherine -- who generally doesn't curse. at March 28, 2021 07:15 PM (3xOfR)
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My pleasure, Catherine! Send me an email when you have a chance. Thx.

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 07:17 PM (MVjcR)

49 My backordered 105gn .243 came in to stock so when it arrives, I'll be able to finally shoot the 2 new rifles I built around Christmas. I've shot 50 rounds out of each but have been waiting on bullets since Nov. Not only that but Midway had some Starline Grendel cases in stock momentarily so I got to do my very first brass re-sizing project. I already had 100 Hornady 6MM ARC cases so I have 200 to start with.

Posted by: ck at March 28, 2021 07:17 PM (iBg56)

50 I'm not a glock (or poly) fan much really. But, I followed the lead of my Mormon friend and grabbed a glock. When the burning times come, chances are most of the antifa/blm cadavers will have glocks on them. so lots of usable spare parts to pick off of the cadavers. I doubt many are going to have CZ Shadows or Beretta 92s on them. Too hard to hold sideways.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at March 28, 2021 07:18 PM (46GDR)

51 Don't forget, with corrosive ammo, if you don't have cleaner or boiling water, you can always pee down the barrel....

Posted by: OrangeEnt at March 28, 2021 07:19 PM (7bRMQ)

52 just sent CBD a link that i believe is the part he's looking for. $26

Posted by: redc1c4 (*OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated) at March 28, 2021 07:19 PM (+8qae)

53 I think I may have what you are looking for.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 28, 2021 07:16 PM (lfet/)

Or you can buy another rifle!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 28, 2021 07:19 PM (Q9lwr)

54 No trips to the range, so I cleaned my remaining guns to a high gloss shine.

Seriously, I got a little carried away and the bore of this old Tokarev actually started to gleam. I didn't think it would ever do that again.

So I went canoeing with predictable results.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2021 07:19 PM (llXky)

55 Weasel, I'm really disappointed that you didn't stumble across this fine weapon system collected during a North Carolina drug raid.

https://tinyurl.com/457628ju

Posted by: Reuben Hick at March 28, 2021 07:20 PM (anS4/)

56 As to what AH Lloyd says, I was in the "clean only when necessary camp" until I realized that it's all well and good when one lives during a time when threat levels are almost non-existent.

These days, I think things can go from zero to sporty within a matter of hours, at which point, one may not have the luxury of cleaning when it suits.

So yeah, keep weapons clean and oiled.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at March 28, 2021 07:20 PM (2SdPm)

57 I already had 100 Hornady 6MM ARC cases so I have 200 to start with.

Posted by: ck at March 28, 2021 07:17 PM

Piker. I did an ammo inventory earlier today and have 17,450 rounds in multiple calibers from .22lr to .45 Colt. My stand out caliber is 9mm with 4,650 rounds.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at March 28, 2021 07:20 PM (JUOKG)

58 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 28, 2021 07:19 PM (Q9lwr)
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That's usually my recommendation.

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 07:20 PM (MVjcR)

59 When I went to Jungle School the approved method of cleaning was to take your M16 into the shower with you and take off the handguards because there was going to be mud in there and break it open on the front hinge pin, getting as much of the solids out as possible.

Dry it as much as possible with rags then take the upper and the buffer assy and put it in a 55 gallon drum cut down lengthwise. I forget what the solvent was that was in there - I am thinking it was kerosene, but maybe it was acetone.

Let that soak for a few minutes, then take it over and commence to cleaning it as you would normally.

Posted by: blaster at March 28, 2021 07:20 PM (w2z2p)

60 Good afternoon/evening, fellow gunsters.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at March 28, 2021 07:21 PM (sy5kK)

61 Maybe there are some chemistry types here that can clarify.

The reason water was used back in the day, salt or salts as a class,
the corrosive residue of older ammo are not dissolved, nor neutralized
by oil. The residues will happily corrode barrel steel under a thick
layer of oil or grease.

Posted by: Common Tater at March 28, 2021 07:15 PM (eXYC7)

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A hot water rinse also is good with black powder. It's some kind of science thing.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2021 07:21 PM (llXky)

62 Or you can buy another rifle!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 28, 2021 07:19 PM (Q9lwr)

Sadly will not be doing so anytime soon. :-( Will instead concentrate on increasing my skills with what I have.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 28, 2021 07:22 PM (lfet/)

63
Posted by:�redc1c4 (*OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated)�at March 28, 2021 07:19 PM (+8qae)
Nope...it's a different model. AutoMag III

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 28, 2021 07:22 PM (Q9lwr)

64 Great content, weasel, thanks! And a special thanks to all who sent in material!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at March 28, 2021 07:22 PM (2SdPm)

65 Thanks for the thread, Weasel! Once I find an instructor, I really will get you an M1 Garand story.
Posted by: Catherine -- who generally doesn't curse. at March 28, 2021 07:15 PM (3xOfR)

What state are you in? My suggestion would be to do a search to find a group/blog online. I bet you'd be hooked up with some great folks in a matter of days.

I joined CalGuns, and it's been an invaluable resource for almost anything I can think of. So now I've got a great FFL who's very inexpensive and one of the best gun shops around, joined a shooting range and made some local friends.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at March 28, 2021 07:22 PM (46GDR)

66 People don't clean their guns every week? My wife understands when I say I am "visiting friends"on Sunday afternoon while she watches Hallmark.

Posted by: Only Context at March 28, 2021 07:22 PM (xEIoY)

67 Guns and Boobs Compliance Pics

https://tinyurl.com/48jn9nm4

https://tinyurl.com/pk6vhf68

https://tinyurl.com/jsu4sfje

https://tinyurl.com/crh5nww

https://tinyurl.com/4yyuw7ey

Posted by: kbdabear at March 28, 2021 07:22 PM (qAR6u)

68 The NRA NO PROMOTIONS works, even on Sunday. Thanks to Jim SND and Weasel!

Posted by: dartist at March 28, 2021 07:22 PM (+ya+t)

69 Here is what it looks like disassembled:

https://tinyurl.com/dss6r938

Posted by: Reuben Hick at March 28, 2021 07:23 PM (YuyTg)

70 Don't forget, with corrosive ammo, if you don't have cleaner or boiling water, you can always pee down the barrel....

Posted by: OrangeEnt at March 28, 2021 07:19 PM (7bRMQ)

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So do you disassemble the weapon and then pee down the barrel or just hose it off on the firing line?

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2021 07:23 PM (llXky)

71 55 Weasel, I'm really disappointed that you didn't stumble across this fine weapon system collected during a North Carolina drug raid.

https://tinyurl.com/457628ju

Posted by: Reuben Hick at March 28, 2021 07:20 PM (anS4/)
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Well this IS a family blog!

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 07:24 PM (MVjcR)

72 I clean the guns after each session. It only takes a few minutes and A. H. Lloyd correctly listed the reasons. Also, as a black powder enthusiast where cleaning every time is required, I early got in the habit for all guns.

I have one revolver, a Smith K-22, that is built to tight standards and the cylinder can lock up quickly if not kept cleaned.

Posted by: JTB at March 28, 2021 07:24 PM (7EjX1)

73 Posted by: kbdabear at March 28, 2021 07:22 PM (qAR6u)

You're a great American!

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at March 28, 2021 07:24 PM (46GDR)

74 70 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2021 07:23 PM (llXky)

Depends on your range I'd wager.

Posted by: sven at March 28, 2021 07:24 PM (Lzpvj)

75 Only Context at March 28, 2021 07:22 PM

So it's not just me.......

Posted by: Alamo at March 28, 2021 07:24 PM (kwSw6)

76 Don't forget, with corrosive ammo, if you don't have cleaner or boiling water, you can always pee down the barrel....

Posted by: OrangeEnt at March 28, 2021 07:19 PM
Uh hot water and murphy's oil soap works better than peeing down the barrel. Just sayin.....

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at March 28, 2021 07:24 PM (JUOKG)

77 ok seriously now- what is the rap on Glock?

Posted by: DB- just DB at March 28, 2021 07:25 PM (iTXRQ)

78 ok seriously now- what is the rap on Glock?
Posted by: DB- just DB at March 28, 2021 07:25 PM (iTXRQ)
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All the ergonomics of a well made brick.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at March 28, 2021 07:25 PM (2SdPm)

79 Uh hot water and murphy's oil soap works better than peeing down the barrel. Just sayin.....
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at March 28, 2021 07:24 PM (JUOKG)
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Not nearly as fun, I suspect.

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 07:26 PM (MVjcR)

80 So do you disassemble the weapon and then pee down the barrel or just hose it off on the firing line?

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2021 07:23 PM (llXky)

Depends on whether there are ladies about....

Posted by: OrangeEnt at March 28, 2021 07:26 PM (7bRMQ)

81 77 Posted by: DB- just DB at March 28, 2021 07:25 PM (iTXRQ)

It is a lot like Ellen DeGenerate, while she is not in everyone's tastes her superfans are annoying.

Posted by: sven at March 28, 2021 07:26 PM (Lzpvj)

82 ok seriously now- what is the rap on Glock?

Posted by: DB- just DB at March 28, 2021 07:25 PM (iTXRQ)

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Glock is ugly and his momma dresses him funny.

Also the trigger is hateful.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2021 07:27 PM (llXky)

83 So do you disassemble the weapon and then pee down the barrel or just hose it off on the firing line?
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2021 07:23 PM

Depends on your caliber.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 28, 2021 07:27 PM (DMUuz)

84 My advice to CBD is to have the gunsmith get it fixed or replaced, he bent it.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at March 28, 2021 07:27 PM (7bRMQ)

85 Twenty years ago, the left was Scared Senseless of a 3 million member NRA. They think they've got a 5 million member NRA over some kind of barrel now, mostly due to that N.Y. lawsuit. I'm kinda HAPPY 'bout that lawsuit actually, as it's kicked LaPissant in the 'nads hard enough to prompt a coming re-incorporation OUT of N.Y. and IN to Texas.

Now though, we need a 10 million member NRA, just to renew The Fear. Frankly, the basic membership is cheap enough, I'd be happy to pay for one or two, just to bump up the numbers. Just think, if all 5 million current members did so, the 10 million goal could be smashed in weeks, not years. Just gotta find those 1 or 2 willing to sign-on.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at March 28, 2021 07:27 PM (QzJWU)

86 He said there was an organized gang in Houston doing this

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Lots of criminals have been doing this in lots of places. In my previous company, the accounting manager walked out of a bank with a satchel of coins and a couple of lowlifes followed her back to the company. One of them got out of their car, snuck through the gate and pretended to need directions, but when he got close enough snatched the satchel and made their getaway.

So be careful not to make it obvious you got a cash on your when you leave a bank.

Posted by: president kg at March 28, 2021 07:27 PM (9npt1)

87
Depends on your caliber.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 28, 2021 07:27 PM (DMUuz)
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22 Short, sadly.

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 07:28 PM (MVjcR)

88 Folks,

I will be around intermittently, so thank you all in advance for whatever help you may provide for that AutoMag III Hammer strut issue.

The guy is a fine man and works his ass off for the club, so I want to help him out as much as I can.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 28, 2021 07:29 PM (Q9lwr)

89 A hot water rinse also is good with black powder. It's some kind of science thing.

Well that's kind of the point though, and important to understand. With corrosive ammunition (or blackpowder firearms), it isn't "good" to use water, it is essential; as nothing except water will dissolve salt. It isn't the same as the salt we use on food, but it's a salt just the same.

It's my understanding it's pretty common, many if not most used muzzleloading firearms on the market are damaged because of this. The owners were maybe familiar with modern smokeless ammunition and thought swabbing the barrel out a few times with Hoppes would be good to go.

Posted by: Common Tater at March 28, 2021 07:29 PM (eXYC7)

90 87 Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 07:28 PM (MVjcR)

It is all about proper shot placement weasel.

Posted by: sven at March 28, 2021 07:30 PM (Lzpvj)

91 NRA:

mission → business → racket (you are here)

Posted by: Reuben Hick at March 28, 2021 07:30 PM (puYin)

92 So, Mister Scott, can you send me your exact GPS coordinates and a breakdown of ammo by type?

Posted by: RI Red at March 28, 2021 07:30 PM (UcFqt)

93 I spent some stimulus on another P365, this one with a safety. I didn't like carrying it around with one in the chamber. Don't know what I'll do with the first one now.

Posted by: f'd at March 28, 2021 07:30 PM (uN3AW)

94 So how about it? Here's your chance to suck-up to CBD, and earn some extra AoSHQ Blog credit to make up for your ill-advised sous vide criticism or support of maple syrup!

Looks like the litte do-hyckey tool to get a cell phone to release its SIM card.

In all seriousness, it's looks as though it only needs to push/pull and is cold steel.

Disclaimer: i did not stay in a holiday inn express and i am not a metal worker.

Posted by: BifBewalski - $20, same as the gun smythe at March 28, 2021 07:30 PM (VcFUs)

95
Piker. I did an ammo inventory earlier today and have 17,450 rounds in multiple calibers from .22lr to .45 Colt. My stand out caliber is 9mm with 4,650 rounds.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at March 28, 2021 07:20 PM (JUOKG)

Hey, old pal, old buddy, we need to get together! Remind me of your address? And directions from Harris County would be nice, too!

Posted by: Gun thieves from Harris county at March 28, 2021 07:31 PM (sy5kK)

96 Having spent my formative years as a United States Marine, I am in the cult that holds that a dirty weapon is an abomination in the sight of the Lord and a stench in the nostrils of the Righteous. You shoot it, one round or 200 rounds, you clean it. Period. Our M16A1s we cleaned the day of firing, and then two subsequent days.

OK, OK - it starts to go beyond fetish to obsession, but that's how they brung me up.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at March 28, 2021 07:31 PM (bAe71)

97 For PCC, get a CZ Skorpion Evo3. If your budget will stretch, get the version with the short barrel and long handguard (comes with a suppressor-looking flash hider), and put a suppressor on it. Don't get the shortest version, it is very, very loud.
Having shot a whole range of PCCs, I think the Skorp is one of the best.

Posted by: MurphyzLaw at March 28, 2021 07:31 PM (eXzA1)

98 Don't know what I'll do with the first one now.
Posted by: f'd
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Yoo-hoo....I can take it off your hands....

Posted by: lin-duh 27-4 at March 28, 2021 07:32 PM (UUBmN)

99 You can Google best 9mm carbines and there are a few links that can give you some good information.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 28, 2021 07:32 PM (2DOZq)

100 Turkey gun patterning day. One shot and done. And given that each round goes for around $10 apiece and they kick like a mule, I was a happy camper. Spent the rest of the afternoon shooting 9mm AR-style "pistols" and an H&K SP5.

Posted by: PacosMojo at March 28, 2021 07:32 PM (1Fv0G)

101 Posted by: Jim at March 28, 2021 07:27 PM (QzJWU)
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Thank you, Jim!!

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 07:32 PM (MVjcR)

102 Here is a Remigton Model 8 - this is pretty much what that Navy .35 automatic looked like:

https://tinyurl.com/48u682tw

It was a WWII take home.

Posted by: blaster at March 28, 2021 07:33 PM (w2z2p)

103 While I only have 200 cases to get started with in my new caliber, the way things have been, I'll take it! As for other calibers, I might have a few more than 200 around. I also made another pistol trade this week. I got a new Girsan Beretta 92 clone that's really nice.

Posted by: ck at March 28, 2021 07:33 PM (iBg56)

104 Beretta CX4 storm is also good, you can use m9 mags with it. Plus it's got a 16" barrel, so it's legal most places.

Posted by: MurphyzLaw at March 28, 2021 07:33 PM (eXzA1)

105 102 Posted by: blaster at March 28, 2021 07:33 PM (w2z2p)

I want a model 81 desperately.

Posted by: sven at March 28, 2021 07:34 PM (Lzpvj)

106 83 So do you disassemble the weapon and then pee down the barrel or just hose it off on the firing line?
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2021 07:23 PM

Depends on your caliber.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 28, 2021 07:27 PM (DMUuz)

So, I'll be on the 105mm howitzer line, pressure pissing the tubes clean.

Posted by: BifBewalski - $20, same as the gun smythe at March 28, 2021 07:34 PM (VcFUs)

107 tbodie,

My first question is why do you want a rifle instead of a shotgun? I assume household distances are typical and you don't require a rifle's range.

My choice would be one in 357 magnum but loaded with 38 specials or in 44 magnum loaded with 44 specials. A lever action can be worked fast and carbine lengths are common.

Posted by: JTB at March 28, 2021 07:34 PM (7EjX1)

108 For PCC, get a CZ Skorpion Evo3. If your budget will stretch, get the version with the short barrel and long handguard (comes with a suppressor-looking flash hider), and put a suppressor on it. Don't get the shortest version, it is very, very loud.
Having shot a whole range of PCCs, I think the Skorp is one of the best.
Posted by: MurphyzLaw at March 28, 2021 07:31 PM (eXzA1)

I have the carbine version, my buddy's got the pistol version. In CA, the pistol is nearly impossible to find (off roster). I got my carbine off roster, but the FFL STILL had to fix the stock - although he didn't pin my magazines, so I have proper full capacity mags. Seriously, how does a folding stock suddenly make a gun sooper scary deadly? It's still too damn big to hid in your pocket. Stupid state.

Anyway, awesome little gun, I'm definitely a CZ fan. Fully expect Biden is going to write an EO banning imports, so hopefully the Colt purchase will help circumvent some of that.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at March 28, 2021 07:35 PM (46GDR)

109 35 Tbodie,

Good luck with a PCC, my first point for you to ponder is "what caliber is the pistol we use?"

Looking at either a 9mm or a 40 cal. Mag interchangeablility is not top priority, common caliber with existing hand guns is my main objective

Well that and a gun that will hold a 30 round magazine.

Posted by: tbodie at March 28, 2021 07:35 PM (gRZfJ)

110 Gotta go eat. BBL. To talk about gum cleaning and flossing.

Posted by: RI Red at March 28, 2021 07:35 PM (UcFqt)

111 If, heaven forbid, you had to discharge a firearm in anger, and then ditch it, would you rather it be
A) your expensive customized Kimber
B) your ordinary Glock

Posted by: navybrat, bang, thud at March 28, 2021 07:36 PM (w7KSn)

112 Having spent my formative years as a United States
Marine, I am in the cult that holds that a dirty weapon is an
abomination in the sight of the Lord and a stench in the nostrils of the
Righteous.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at March 28, 2021 07:31 PM (bAe71)

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One of the few bright spots of my short, unsuccessful Army career was that I was really good at cleaning my rifle. Brigade CSM gave it the white glove and was impressed.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2021 07:36 PM (llXky)

113 Having spent my formative years as a United States Marine, I am in the cult that holds that a dirty weapon is an abomination in the sight of the Lord and a stench in the nostrils of the Righteous. You shoot it, one round or 200 rounds, you clean it. Period. Our M16A1s we cleaned the day of firing, and then two subsequent days.
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Army here, and concur.

From the main gun of an Abrams, to the 9mm, and everything in between, especially in environments like Iraq, a clean weapon is a matter of life or death.

Posted by: SMH at March 28, 2021 07:36 PM (toBA3)

114 ok seriously now- what is the rap on Glock?
Posted by: DB- just DB at March 28, 2021 07:25 PM

Personally, the ergonomics don't work for me, the factory sights suck, and the trigger sucks worse. The sights are eminently fixable, and the trigger can be breathed upon in various ways to get it to acceptable, so if the ergos work for you, the rest is as fixable as you'd like it to be.

In .40 or 10mm, the unsupported chambers have been known to cause issues, nicknamed "ka-booms". In general, it's unpleasant to be holding one that ka-booms. This can be fixed with aftermarket barrels.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 28, 2021 07:36 PM (DMUuz)

115 "Don't know what I'll do with the first one now.
Posted by: f'd
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Yoo-hoo....I can take it off your hands....
Posted by: lin-duh 27-4"

Whatcha got to trade?

Posted by: f'd at March 28, 2021 07:36 PM (uN3AW)

116 When we did Civil War reenacting using real black powder I would clean everything when we got home after the event with a mix of 50/50 scalding water and murphy's oil soap. Take everything apart and run a swab through the barrel at least 10-15 times until it came out clean.

If you did not use hot water you would leave fouling in the barrel and it would become a rusted mess. The oil soap would leave a smooth clean rust free residue.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at March 28, 2021 07:36 PM (JUOKG)

117 What point of political advocacy has the NRA actually been successful with?

Last thing I can seem to recall was them jumping aboard the bump stock ban, which seems like it had a lot more to do with appeasing the hysterical gun grabbers than a principled defense of liberty.

Posted by: Sjg at March 28, 2021 07:37 PM (gDSJf)

118
You can Google best 9mm carbines and there are a few links that can give you some good information.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 28, 2021 07:32 PM (2DOZq)

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Or you could just buy a Beretta CX4 Storm because it IS the best.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2021 07:37 PM (llXky)

119 Hallelujah!!! It is the gun thread!!! Thanks Weasel!! Howdee gun nuts!!
I went to the VGCA gun show in Manassas Va this weekend, and tried to sell off a few guns... Didn't go as well as I had hoped. Some grumbling ensued.
Ho Lee Crap was there ammo available. I wanted to make a few sales before I "invested" in ammo. I really want some 460 Howitzer, er.. magnum, and some modern 30 30. I wantto bring the 460 to Texas, but only as a club is no bueno.
* more*

Posted by: Jesse in DC at March 28, 2021 07:37 PM (Yp3Ga)

120 If, heaven forbid, you had to discharge a firearm in anger, and then ditch it, would you rather it be
A) your expensive customized Kimber
B) your ordinary Glock
Posted by: navybrat, bang, thud at March 28, 2021 07:36 PM

Depends on whether I wanted to hit the target. ;-)

Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 28, 2021 07:38 PM (DMUuz)

121 For those who have been shooting for some years, you may have reached the point where you don't have time to use all the guns in your arsenal. Between the accumulation of over 30 years, changing taste in shooting styles, and just plain getting old(er), I'm at that point. So I'm planning to thin the herd a bit and put some on consignment at a local gun shop.

Anyone else at that point? Just curious.

Posted by: JTB at March 28, 2021 07:38 PM (7EjX1)

122 111 If, heaven forbid, you had to discharge a firearm in anger, and then ditch it, would you rather it be
A) your expensive customized Kimber
B) your ordinary Glock
Posted by: navybrat, bang, thud at March 28, 2021 07:36 PM (w7KSn)

C) the 80% glock clone that i totes lost when crossing that bog while primitive camping and hiking in the Atchafalaya National Forest

Posted by: BifBewalski - $20, same as the gun smythe at March 28, 2021 07:38 PM (VcFUs)

123 Ola, ca va?

Not too much to report. On the range today, as always. Had a meeting with the museum who I am the firearms curator for and they are finally are going to write to the largest museum run by the Army in the country and ask for some surplus gub inventory to be gifted to us. At last.
*Looks at 5 year old wishlist* And I donated a pair of jungle boots to a Viet Nam display.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at March 28, 2021 07:39 PM (bgJ0E)

124 Saw a whole passel of Turkeys cross my property the other day. One Tom with a bunch of hens and maybe a couple of Jakes.

By the time I got my shotgun out of the safe and located some #4 shot, they were gone.

Might have to lay out some corn and see if they come back.

Posted by: That Guy What Always says Yeah Buddy TM at March 28, 2021 07:39 PM (R5lpX)

125 you can always pee down the barrel....
Posted by: OrangeEnt at March 28, 2021 07:19 PM

About that, I know it was done to clean black powder firearms. But at war gamers forum, and they take history quite seriously there was a thread couple months ago if if was done or not.
I should read it but as I said I know it was done so dibother then.

Posted by: Skip at March 28, 2021 07:39 PM (Cxk7w)

126 Ask any chemistry nerd, the universal solvent is:
Wait for it
Wait for it

Wait for it
H2O also known as water.

Posted by: Old Blue - Round Headed Bald Kid at March 28, 2021 07:39 PM (VNmG1)

127 I love reports like this. What could be better than a father-son project and range time?

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A father-son project supporting the son's decision to transition to a daughter? Because that would be touching and meaningful.

Posted by: A Karen at March 28, 2021 07:39 PM (fLVm1)

128 ok seriously now- what is the rap on Glock?

Posted by: DB- just DB at March 28, 2021 07:25 PM (iTXRQ)

The ugly piece of junk is just too easy to field strip and too easy to shoot. Also it's mags are just too damn easy to obtain. Don't know why anyone would own one.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 28, 2021 07:39 PM (2DOZq)

129 If, heaven forbid, you had to discharge a firearm in anger, and then ditch it, would you rather it be

A) your expensive customized Kimber

B) your ordinary Glock

Posted by: navybrat, bang, thud at March 28, 2021 07:36 PM (w7KSn)

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C) One of Hunter Biden's handguns. He leaves them lying around all the time.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2021 07:40 PM (llXky)

130 117 What point of political advocacy has the NRA actually been successful with?

Last thing I can seem to recall was them jumping aboard the bump stock ban, which seems like it had a lot more to do with appeasing the hysterical gun grabbers than a principled defense of liberty.
Posted by: Sjg at March 28, 2021 07:37 PM (gDSJf)
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Point taken, but they're kind of occupying center stage. If they go down, things aren't going to get any better.

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 07:40 PM (MVjcR)

131 Noob question here and I am sure opinions will vary, but wondering what folks consider an adequate stockpile of ammo?

I have my 9mm loaded and in safe with 17 Federal JHP. Have and additional 15 or so of these cartridges. Also have about 300-350 FMJ cartridges for practice, rainy day, whatever. I want to purchase more but wife is skeptical. Just curious as to how much is enough for the horde. Thanks in advance.

Posted by: Mongo, Pawn in Game of Life at March 28, 2021 07:40 PM (Mot8j)

132 109 Posted by: tbodie at March 28, 2021 07:35 PM (gRZfJ)

Well if mag interchangeability is not a top priority you could go with either a Kel-Tec that takes glock mags or the PC Carbine with the glock mag adapter.

The 30(32?) round glock mags would be the budget solution to meet your stated goals so you need a platform that supports them.

https://tinyurl.com/y22rs4kj

Above is a selection, I know the Ruger PC Carbine or the Kel-Tec 2000 can meet your needs if you can find 'em.

The Kel-Tec should be less expensive.

Posted by: sven at March 28, 2021 07:40 PM (Lzpvj)

133 In the movie (maybe the book too) "We Were Soldiers, and Young" there is a scene where the mortar tubes are too hot, and the canteens were all empty, so the crew unzips and pees on the tubes.

Posted by: navybrat, bang, thud at March 28, 2021 07:41 PM (w7KSn)

134 So,
If you lose your gun in a canoeing accident, do you report this to someone? Or do you just wait until someone comes along to confiscate your gun and then you explain what happened to it?

Posted by: Emmie at March 28, 2021 07:41 PM (ofYez)

135 I have been shopping form 3 items and the guy I deal with in my AO has a few items I am considering for April.
While at his shop he had a DPMS SBR full auto BB gun I picked up. What a blast! I zeroed it out to 10 yards then put a bipod on it and it will nail a 6 inch gong out to 30 yards easy peasy. Cheap, good fun and great training when considering full auto firearms. I get about 6 mags out of a CO2 dual set up. 25 BB's per mag. AR type controls and sights. Check one out if you see one while out and about.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 28, 2021 07:41 PM (R/m4+)

136 Posted by: Jesse in DC at March 28, 2021 07:37 PM (Yp3Ga)
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Howdy Jesse!

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 07:41 PM (MVjcR)

137 Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at March 28, 2021 07:39 PM (bgJ0E)
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Howdy Brother! Congratulations!

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 07:42 PM (MVjcR)

138 I will never again support the NRA after they endorsed Harry Reid . I do contribute to the other gun rights organizations until such time they eventually disappoint me too.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 28, 2021 07:42 PM (2DOZq)

139 Hi all. For me, I am just a gal learning the importance how serious how it is for me to really know how it is to understand being able to defend myelf. Women. Never believe that peeing your pants is going save you. A fine very nice weapon will be the best, oh, say a fine bat, But don t discont a fine kick in the balls, followed up by taking out eyeballs.
Don't be that victim FSS, don't be a victim to the asshats.

Get a damn firearm. Learn how to use it.

Posted by: COMountainMarie at March 28, 2021 07:43 PM (GV6ps)

140 134 So,
If you lose your gun in a canoeing accident, do you report this to someone? Or do you just wait until someone comes along to confiscate your gun and then you explain what happened to it?
Posted by: Emmie at March 28, 2021 07:41 PM (ofYez)

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As your attorney I recommend moving to Switzerland.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at March 28, 2021 07:43 PM (fLVm1)

141 Posted by: Mongo, Pawn in Game of Life at March 28, 2021 07:40 PM (Mot8j)

Add a zero or two to the totals and you might be approaching ok.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at March 28, 2021 07:43 PM (bgJ0E)

142 Buy mags Mongo and while you are at it get something to fill them with.

Posted by: f'd at March 28, 2021 07:44 PM (uN3AW)

143 118 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2021 07:37 PM (llXky)

https://tinyurl.com/34pdhrva

The CX-4 is a fine weapon, it is 200 dollars more than the Ruger, and the 30 round magazines are 20 more dollars expensive each.

If cost is a factor it matters, if not he can read the review.

It is a good gun, and for "cool factor" you will look like a Colonial Marine from BSG.

Posted by: sven at March 28, 2021 07:44 PM (Lzpvj)

144 14 ...Unique, Red Dot, and Bullseye. Great choice of powders that will let you load darn near anything except the hottest rounds. Congrats.

Posted by: JTB at March 28, 2021 07:44 PM (7EjX1)

145 Posted by: Mongo, Pawn in Game of Life at March 28, 2021 07:40 PM (Mot8j)
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Howdy, and welcome to the Gun Thread!

Great question, and I am sure you will get a bunch of answers. If you're still wondering after tonight, drop me a line.

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 07:45 PM (MVjcR)

146 134 So,
If you lose your gun in a canoeing accident, do you report this to someone? Or do you just wait until someone comes along to confiscate your gun and then you explain what happened to it?
Posted by: Emmie at March 28, 2021 07:41 PM (ofYez)

You wife's libtard brother brokered the sale to his buddy up in Portland. Wanna see my bill of sale? Hell yes, i verified his id.

Posted by: BifBewalski - $20, same as the gun smythe at March 28, 2021 07:45 PM (VcFUs)

147 H2O also known as water.
Posted by: Old Blue - Round Headed Bald Kid at March 28, 2021 07:39 PM (VNmG1)

Ban Hydrogen Hydroxide!

Posted by: Fox2! at March 28, 2021 07:45 PM (qyH+l)

148 tbodie I would recommend the glock mag compatible Kel Tec 2000 PCC for your wife. It's light and should fit your wife perfect ( the shoulder stock is just a bit short for me) .

That's if you can find one for sale.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 28, 2021 07:46 PM (2DOZq)

149 >>>So I'm planning to thin the herd a bit and put some on consignment at a local gun shop.<
>What do you got?

Posted by: Dr. Bone at March 28, 2021 07:46 PM (03n3v)

150 The best part of the day though, Sharon, willows Apprentice, and Iris, showed up met Hrothgar there, and wandered around the gun show looking at "stuff". My buddy, who planned to mind the table went home sick, so I was kinda stuck there. Still, it was the ettes first gun show, so now at least they have something to compare others with. Hopefully, we will go to others in the next few weeks.
I packed up and left, and the 4 of us went to the sea food place we have been before. Good food. Great company. Hope to repeat it soon.

Posted by: Jesse in DC at March 28, 2021 07:46 PM (Yp3Ga)

151 NZFrank, How was the wedding? You should be half way to an anniversary.

Posted by: Ben Had at March 28, 2021 07:46 PM (hkfig)

152 Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 28, 2021 07:42 PM (2DOZq)
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Fair enough!

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 07:46 PM (MVjcR)

153 148 Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 28, 2021 07:46 PM (2DOZq)

The universal problem now, i have literally called from here to Montana gunshop wise looking for one.

Posted by: sven at March 28, 2021 07:46 PM (Lzpvj)

154 Ban Hydrogen Hydroxide!
Posted by: Fox2! at March 28, 2021 07:45 PM (qyH+l)

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We support this initiative.

Posted by: Nabisco, Makers of Oreos at March 28, 2021 07:47 PM (fLVm1)

155 A.H. Lloyd makes excellent points. How about you all? Do you clean after every use?

Yes without fail, via the hose out 500 to 1000rd crap with CRC Long Life and put in locker. Patch out oil before next days bang bang and clear bolt face and I'm good to go.
Overcleaning is the bane of guns. The greasier the easier.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at March 28, 2021 07:47 PM (bgJ0E)

156 I don't think you can go wrong investing in ammo. It's not going to get much cheaper any time soon.

Posted by: f'd at March 28, 2021 07:47 PM (uN3AW)

157 PSA

jsdsupply.com has non-OEM Glock lower parts kits and complete slide assemblies in stock for anyone who might be looking for such things.

Posted by: Lysenko -Official dot gov Wyoming COVID vaccination card link, should be 4.25x3.5 at March 28, 2021 07:47 PM (bm04m)

158
Get a damn firearm. Learn how to use it.
Posted by: COMountainMarie at March 28, 2021 07:43 PM (GV6ps)
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THIS.

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 07:47 PM (MVjcR)

159 I packed up and left, and the 4 of us went to the sea food place we have been before. Good food. Great company. Hope to repeat it soon.
Posted by: Jesse in DC at March 28, 2021 07:46 PM (Yp3Ga)

This makes me wish i still lived in Manassas. I could have walked over and visited you lot.

Posted by: BifBewalski - $20, same as the gun smythe at March 28, 2021 07:48 PM (VcFUs)

160 Whatcha got to trade?
Posted by: f'd
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Umm...cash...

Posted by: lin-duh 27-4 at March 28, 2021 07:48 PM (UUBmN)

161 As your attorney I recommend moving to Switzerland.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at March 28, 2021 07:43 PM (fLVm1)

Will Arkansas do?

Posted by: Emmie at March 28, 2021 07:48 PM (ofYez)

162 tbodie,

My first question is why do you want a rifle instead of a shotgun? I assume household distances are typical and you don't require a rifle's range.

I have a shot gun but wanted something that will hold more rounds and less kick. Lower felt recoil is another reason for getting the carbine.

And we have a little elbow room in our neighborhood so 50 yard shots are possible.

Posted by: tbodie at March 28, 2021 07:48 PM (gRZfJ)

163
There is no such thing as enough ammo, or too much ammo.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at March 28, 2021 07:48 PM (Mzdiz)

164 I'm thinking of getting another one for my Left hand build AR-15.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 28, 2021 07:14 PM (Q9lwr)

A fellow southpaw!
We really are better than the others, aren't we? ;-)

I've never shot a long gun with left hand ejection. My first gun ever was a single shot Henry 12g, and when I earned enough money picking berries as an 11 year old, it was spent on my Mossberg 500 12g.
Never had a problem with shells or brass flying in front of my nose. Ever. I just thought it was another speed bump of life that those damned right handers forced upon us lefties, and just one more hiccup to overcome. Like they did with baseball gloves. Excuses are not allowed, fix it or move on.

My parents taught me well.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at March 28, 2021 07:48 PM (sy5kK)

165 If you lose your gun in a canoeing accident, do you
report this to someone? Or do you just wait until someone comes along
to confiscate your gun and then you explain what happened to it?

Posted by: Emmie at March 28, 2021 07:41 PM (ofYez)

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It's interesting to note that in countries where the Communists took over, there were still uprisings. East Germany (1953), Hungary (1956), Czechoslovakia (196

, Poland (1980), Romania (1989) and even in China (1989).

In Hungary and Romania, the army joined the rebels, and in the former case the Red Army was needed.

My point is that people who bring this up are jumping to the end of the story and ignoring the important plot points that happen before. See also: Spain, 1936. There are books about it.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2021 07:48 PM (llXky)

166 Wow...reading some of the posts and replies. 3,000+ rounds! I though my 300 was decent. What a noob. At current prices that's a lot of money for me. I think I am going to adhere to something I read...shoot 1 buy 2 method of stockpiling.

Somewhat off topic...anyone have any pro tips for finding ammo at Walmart, Cabelas, Academy, etc? Every time I swing by the ones here they are out and no one seems able (or willing) to say when they restock shelves.

Posted by: Mongo, Pawn in Game of Life at March 28, 2021 07:48 PM (Mot8j)

167 You can Google best 9mm carbines and there are a few links that can give you some good information.

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Also consider a magwell adapter, a 9mm upper, and a heavier buffer and you can use your existing AR.

Or get an entire lower and/or 9mm AR if you feel froggy, but that sort of defeats the purpose of rolling your own.

Posted by: Lysenko -Official dot gov Wyoming COVID vaccination card link, should be 4.25x3.5 at March 28, 2021 07:50 PM (bm04m)

168 H2O also known as water.
Posted by: Old Blue - Round Headed Bald Kid at March 28, 2021 07:39 PM

Don't forget me!

Posted by: Oxidane at March 28, 2021 07:50 PM (DMUuz)

169 JTB, I traded my KImber Ultra Carry II for for a Turkish Beretta copy(money and ammo were also involved). I realized that I'm over 45 acp and 850 fps is about wrist rocket speed.

Posted by: ck at March 28, 2021 07:50 PM (iBg56)

170
And never tell anyone how much ammo you have. If they ask, lie. Lowball, or claim you're out.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at March 28, 2021 07:50 PM (Mzdiz)

171 131 Noob question here and I am sure opinions will vary, but wondering what folks consider an adequate stockpile of ammo?

In this crowd the phrase "adequate stockpile of ammo" is words not understood in that order.

I don't think you'd be far off on a thousand rounds per caliber you support.

Posted by: blaster at March 28, 2021 07:50 PM (w2z2p)

172 "There are books about it."
yes sir, and yours is a very good one.
I admit to reading it 2 times, because it is so full of information.

Posted by: navybrat, bang, thud at March 28, 2021 07:50 PM (w7KSn)

173 Keep an eye out for any statements by Becerra. He is going to be pushing joebama to EO gun legislation.

Posted by: Ben Had at March 28, 2021 07:51 PM (hkfig)

174 Hello Horde. Thanks to everyone who recommended the UpLULA to me. I got one and learned how to use it... only had to watch 5 YouTube videos before I caught on. It is brilliant... I am not!

Hey Marie, have you read The Cornered Cat by Kathy Jackson? this was another recommendation to me by at least 2 Hordians. I'm still reading it but find it really helpful.

Hi Emmie, Jesse, Weasel, and everybody!

Posted by: screaming in digital at March 28, 2021 07:51 PM (kTRt4)

175 It's a good thing this is the gub thread. With a declared lid from the master of the gilley suited stealth ban hammer super cob, we could have a lot of fun.

I don't wanna do that to Mr. Weasel, though. Besides, it's not fun when he isn't really here to fight back.

Posted by: BifBewalski - chuckling evilly at March 28, 2021 07:51 PM (VcFUs)

176 How much ammo should one have? Interesting. I have 850 rounds of 9mm and I do not think that is enough. I can easily go through 150 rounds at the range so that would last me only 5 trips to the range.
Because of the shortage I have been easing up when at the range. I bring 50 rounds with me and I buy 50 rounds from the range. I get an hour and just take it nice and easy and run through drills until I am empty.
For me I would like to maintain at least 2k rounds of 9mm and about 300 rounds of .308. But with the laws in NYC I cannot have that much ammo at home. (I keep the bulk at my brothers house in another State).

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 28, 2021 07:51 PM (lfet/)

177 Somewhat off topic...anyone have any pro tips for finding ammo at Walmart, Cabelas, Academy, etc? Every time I swing by the ones here they are out and no one seems able (or willing) to say when they restock shelves.
Posted by: Mongo, Pawn in Game of Life at March 28, 2021 07:48 PM (Mot8j)

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Our Academy restocks on Fridays.

The easiest way to learn when they do it is to drive by the non Walmarts and see when there's a line fifteen minutes before opening.

Posted by: Lysenko -Official dot gov Wyoming COVID vaccination card link, should be 4.25x3.5 at March 28, 2021 07:51 PM (bm04m)

178 Posted by: Mongo, Pawn in Game of Life at March 28, 2021 07:48 PM (Mot8j)
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Have a look at some of the online suppliers I list each week. You don't need to get there in one big step, just make it a regular purchase.

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 07:51 PM (MVjcR)

179 You wife's libtard brother brokered the sale to his buddy up in Portland. Wanna see my bill of sale? Hell yes, i verified his id.
Posted by: BifBewalski - $20, same as the gun smythe at March 28, 2021 07:45 PM (VcFUs

*takes notes*

Lessee, I need a wife with a libtard brother, a bill of sale, and an id for either the libtard brother or his buddy in Portland.

Posted by: Emmie at March 28, 2021 07:52 PM (ofYez)

180 That bent hammer strut may be a job for an old school locksmith. I have used a couple in the past to make flat springs, and a few coil springs. Find a guy who will work on a mortise set lock and he will usually have a proper heat treat set up for springs and the like.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin at March 28, 2021 07:52 PM (I58tH)

181 Somewhat off topic...anyone have any pro tips for finding ammo at Walmart, Cabelas, Academy, etc? Every time I swing by the ones here they are out and no one seems able (or willing) to say when they restock shelves.
Posted by: Mongo, Pawn in Game of Life at March 28, 2021 07:48 PM (Mot8j)

I have heard the strategy at Academy is to be there before they open and be ready for a line. You have to be pretty sweet to find out when the truck arrives, and even then, shipping is so iffy these days, the truck may not even have a schedule.

My most successful strategy has been checking the links bonhomme posts here. Got me stocked on 9mm a while back at $0.50 a round.

Posted by: Catherine -- who generally doesn't curse. at March 28, 2021 07:52 PM (3xOfR)

182 The CX-4 is a fine weapon, it is 200 dollars more than the Ruger, and the 30 round magazines are 20 more dollars expensive each.

Posted by: sven at March 28, 2021 07:44 PM (Lzpvj)

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Having shot both, the Storm is worth the money.

And since I hate the BSG reboot, I'll look past the parallel and focus on the sheer ergonomic excellence of the design.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2021 07:52 PM (llXky)

183 Anyone else at that point? Just curious.
Posted by: JTB at March 28, 2021 07:38 PM (7EjX1)

Yup.....I have been selling off my handgun collection as these funds are going towards my Form 3 deal. I have done private sells and GunChoker and it has been quite an adventure. Only handguns I will be keeping are my Browning Hi-Powers, my 1911 and Webley revolvers. They may be needed as things progress. Keeping the rifles though...some lucky bastard will get them when I am dead and gone.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 28, 2021 07:52 PM (R/m4+)

184 149 ... Dr. Bone,

I'm only doing this by consignment at a gun store. The way laws are changing that is the only way to avoid posible legal problems.

Posted by: JTB at March 28, 2021 07:52 PM (7EjX1)

185 An old friend that I haven't spoken to since my Mother's memorial 17 years ago, called out of the clear blue today. We were best buds for two decades. Come to find out, he's retired and moved down to Ozona from CO because it's just cheaper to live down there. So during the hour and a half that we were on the phone we started comparing arsenals. I mentioned that two old 70's hippies are now the most heavily armed folks I know. I got to thinking, I must have close to 8,000 rounds of ammo in three different calibers. Imagine that.

Posted by: Old Blue - Round Headed Bald Kid at March 28, 2021 07:52 PM (VNmG1)

186 There is no such thing as enough ammo, or too much ammo.

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I have NEVER read a true-life account where the people involved in a firefight said they regretted bringing so much ammo.

Posted by: Lysenko -Official dot gov Wyoming COVID vaccination card link, should be 4.25x3.5 at March 28, 2021 07:53 PM (bm04m)

187 Posted by: screaming in digital at March 28, 2021 07:51 PM (kTRt4)
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Howdy!

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 07:53 PM (MVjcR)

188 I'm here.As some of you may be aware, I went to my first gun show on Saturday with Iris and met Jesse and Hrothgar there. I have to say it was a bit intimidating at first as there were very few women there and a lot of the vendors were selling antique guns. I was hoping to handle some guns to get a feel for what I wanted to buy and on that front scored big time. There were a few vendors with new guns including one seller who had a bunch of 22 rifles. Turned out, he had exactly the one I was interested in, a Rossi 18" Gallery with a wood stock. I picked it up and it was like it was made for me. My most successful day at the rrange was shooting a similar pump action. Problem was I did not have two forms of ID so could not purchase it but I looked it up when I got home and MSRP was the same on the Rossi site so if I can;t find it in MD, I can get this seller to ship to MD gun shop and I can pick it up.We were all able to have dinner together in Manassas, kind of a micro mome.It was really fun and it was great to have Jesse to offer advice. I know there are more shows in the coming weeks so maybe we can do more of this.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 28, 2021 07:53 PM (sd8p8)

189 ..NRA mission.. business.. racket (you are here) Posted by: Reuben Hick at March 28, 2021 07:30 PM (puYin)

I'm not disagreeing with you in the slightest here, Ruben. That's where the NO PROMOTIONS comes in. It takes the racket out of the equation, for every member that makes it so.

And no, the NRA doesn't have to be terribly effective in court. SAF is better at that. Nor at lobbying Congress. What they DO have to be good at, is pointing to that 5 million membership stat, then point at Congress, and make the "lookin' at you" fingers sign. Figuratively speaking, of course. The intristic value of the NRA *is* the huge membership. The Board, as constituted at present, is not feel free to kiss MY ass, as they're pre-occupied in kissing Lapierre's.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at March 28, 2021 07:53 PM (QzJWU)

190 Our Academy restocks on Fridays.

The easiest way to learn when they do it is to drive by the non
Walmarts and see when there's a line fifteen minutes before opening.

Posted by: Lysenko -Official dot gov Wyoming COVID vaccination card link, should be 4.25x3.5 at March 28, 2021 07:51 PM (bm04m)

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In my area the times are all known, and the lines now have 'regulars.'

"So, how was your week? Think they'll have any nine today?"

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2021 07:54 PM (llXky)

191 Hammer strut, paper clip, same thing.

Posted by: Stonn at March 28, 2021 07:54 PM (4dO7K)

192 118
You can Google best 9mm carbines and there are a few links that can give you some good information.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 28, 2021 07:32 PM (2DOZq)

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Or you could just buy a Beretta CX4 Storm because it IS the best.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2021 07:37 PM (llXky)

Regarding Google, i have watched some videos but they all ended with reviewer saying, "This would be a great gun!"

I did not find any info on the Beretta, will take a look.

Posted by: tbodie at March 28, 2021 07:54 PM (gRZfJ)

193 I have about 250 rounds of self-defense ammo and about 1100 rounds of practice ammo, most of it .40 and .45

Posted by: DB- just DB at March 28, 2021 07:54 PM (iTXRQ)

194 151 NZFrank, How was the wedding? You should be half way to an anniversary.
Posted by: Ben Had at March 28, 2021 07:46 PM (hkfig)

We postponed as friends from the US and UK could not get here due to the China lung rot. In the Spring, in the Spring, I'm just not too good at clarifying which Spring.
Its all good, just gives me more time to improve the gun room and sort out the pool and ponds and the 500 other wee jobs the Norwegian has given me before we have actual weddings guests on the block.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at March 28, 2021 07:54 PM (bgJ0E)

195 I have about 250 rounds of self-defense ammo and about 1100 rounds of practice ammo, most of it .40 and .45
Posted by: DB- just DB at March 28, 2021 07:54 PM (iTXRQ)
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When the chips are down, all ammo is self defense ammo.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at March 28, 2021 07:55 PM (2SdPm)

196 Mongo
I don't have an Academy near me so I can't say.
Walfart isn't selling pistol ammo anymore.
My closest Cabela's tells me that they'll order 50 cases of everything and will maybe get 5 boxes total.

If something does come in that's useful, there's usually a line ready to buy it up.
They put a four box limit on everything just to try and keep people happy.

Posted by: Winston, GOPe, not one dime, not one vote at March 28, 2021 07:55 PM (+f2dL)

197 Howdy, Screaming! No news yet on the Morondezvous.

Posted by: Emmie at March 28, 2021 07:55 PM (ofYez)

198 I broke down and got 200 rounds of 30.06 for a total of $1.95 each. I've still got some spam cans of 176 rounds I think I paid about $100 each for but I have been reluctant to break the seal on one. I'll break into those next though and save the new stuff. I'm going to need the clips anyway.

Posted by: f'd at March 28, 2021 07:55 PM (uN3AW)

199 Above is a selection, I know the Ruger PC Carbine or the Kel-Tec 2000 can meet your needs if you can find 'em.

The Kel-Tec should be less expensive.
Posted by: sven at March 28, 2021 07:40 PM (Lzpvj)

Thanks, sven.

Posted by: tbodie at March 28, 2021 07:56 PM (gRZfJ)

200 Lessee, I need a wife with a libtard brother, a bill of sale, and an id for either the libtard brother or his buddy in Portland.
Posted by: Emmie at March 28, 2021 07:52 PM (ofYez)

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Switzerland has far less complexity. Just sayin'

Get a drindl.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at March 28, 2021 07:56 PM (fLVm1)

201 Ok, Have a CNC shop mill a one-off for you.
Or, get a small piece of steel the same thickness and length and file yourself one.

Posted by: Stonn at March 28, 2021 07:56 PM (4dO7K)

202 Have a look at some of the online suppliers I list
each week. You don't need to get there in one big step, just make it a
regular purchase.

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 07:51 PM (MVjcR)

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As usual, Weasel is correct. I recommend dropping in at regular intervals, say morning and evening. Stuff pops and gets bought up quickly, but if your timing is right you can score some deals. Hooked up a buddy with non-insanely priced 38 Special that way.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2021 07:56 PM (llXky)

203 Rub the 'spur' with warm lotion. It will be soft enough to bend in no time.

Posted by: Eromero at March 28, 2021 07:57 PM (0OP+5)

204 OK, martini time.
I'll check in later, as usual, thanks for the thread, Weasel!

Posted by: navybrat, bang, thud at March 28, 2021 07:57 PM (w7KSn)

205 I have no ammo, none...not a single round....
**single tear runs down my cheek**

Posted by: lin-duh 27-4 at March 28, 2021 07:57 PM (UUBmN)

206 Appreciate it. Unfortunately the retailers I mentioned are all 40ish miles away so can't get over there whenever I'd like.

By way of full disclosure, I'm a pretty recent gun guy. Purchased first 9mmSA about 2 months ago. Waiting on my CCW license to come back. Just in time for Slow Joe to show up and confiscate it.

Posted by: Mongo, Pawn in Game of Life at March 28, 2021 07:57 PM (Mot8j)

207 I don't wanna do that to Mr. Weasel, though. Besides, it's not fun when he isn't really here to fight back.
Posted by: BifBewalski - chuckling evilly at March 28, 2021 07:51 PM

Mr. Weasel is a sterling fellow. Indeed, the only character flaw that I'm aware of is lack of devotion to the .41 Magnum. But no one's perfect, they say.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 28, 2021 07:57 PM (DMUuz)

208 Hey Sharon! Sounds like a successful day and what a fun bunch that would be to hangout with.

Posted by: screaming in digital at March 28, 2021 07:58 PM (kTRt4)

209 Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 28, 2021 07:53 PM (sd8p

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Nice! Thank you Sharon!

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 07:58 PM (MVjcR)

210 179 You ~~wife's~~ husband's libtard brother brokered the sale to his buddy up in Portland. Wanna see my bill of sale? Hell yes, i verified his id.
Posted by: BifBewalski - $20, same as the gun smythe at March 28, 2021 07:45 PM (VcFUs
*takes notes*
Lessee, I need a wife with a libtard brother, a bill of sale, and an id for either the libtard brother or his buddy in Portland.
Posted by: Emmie at March 28, 2021 07:52 PM (ofYez)

See edits. Your bill of sale could simp,y state that you BIL, certifies he is purchasing for himself, and you verified his id. Dont mention that you copied his signature from your wedding albumn.

Posted by: BifBewalski - used cars for sale, cheap at March 28, 2021 07:58 PM (VcFUs)

211 Sharon sometimes tools are like that, you know what feels right and good for you.
Good luck

Posted by: Skip at March 28, 2021 07:58 PM (Cxk7w)

212 *puts NZFrank's champagne back in the cellar*

Posted by: Ben Had at March 28, 2021 07:59 PM (hkfig)

213 Somewhat off topic...anyone have any pro tips for finding ammo at
Walmart, Cabelas, Academy, etc? Every time I swing by the ones here they
are out and no one seems able (or willing) to say when they restock
shelves.

Posted by: Mongo, Pawn in Game of Life at March 28, 2021 07:48 PM

The Walmart here has quit ordering ammo they don't want the hassle. The gun case has a few shotguns and one bolt action rifle that I think is .22 lr.

The Academy Sports in Sherman gets it's truck on Sunday morning at 0400 and if you are not in line by 0900 you are not going to get any ammo when they open at 10. Ammo seek dot com is your friend.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at March 28, 2021 07:59 PM (JUOKG)

214 I have a pretty extensive list of saved bookmarks for online retailers including all of the one's you listed, Weasel. Seeing more inventory and prices coming down since I've been looking - it's the shipping that's a bear if I keep piecemealing it. I just try to hit it with those few that have free shipping, or low shipping with a bulk purchase.

Posted by: Mongo, Pawn in Game of Life at March 28, 2021 07:59 PM (Mot8j)

215 Evening nug Morons. No range time this week.

On the road all day today. Stopped in far western TN for lunch and while walking through the parking lot, talked with another guy getting ready to go in the restaurant. We're talking nice day, great weather type of stuff and he reaches in the vehicle, pulls out his sidearm and holsters it without a care in the world, and we walk into the place.

Man I love the south.

Posted by: Tonypete at March 28, 2021 07:59 PM (mLSmu)

216 By the way, anyone else holding their breath, waiting for SCOTUS to overturn the ruling by the Ninth Circuit?

Hahahahaha.

Yeah, they'll decline to hear it.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at March 28, 2021 08:00 PM (2SdPm)

217 See edits. Your bill of sale could simp,y state that you BIL, certifies he is purchasing for himself, and you verified his id. Dont mention that you copied his signature from your wedding albumn.
Posted by: BifBewalski - used cars for sale, cheap at March 28, 2021 07:58 PM (VcFUs)

And bqck date it for the month prior to the minimum records retention date. Then make a written note that you destroyed the record you dutifully kept.

Posted by: BifBewalski - used cars for sale, cheap at March 28, 2021 08:00 PM (VcFUs)

218
I did not find any info on the Beretta, will take a look.

Posted by: tbodie at March 28, 2021 07:54 PM (gRZfJ)

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The Storm was something of a commercial failure. I had gun store owners bitching that they wouldn't sell. I'm not even sure if Beretta has them in the catalog any more.

But they are out there and they are magnificent. I rarely shoot mine (partially because it's resting on a river bottom), but when I did, it was positively boring. So easy to shoot the center out of a target.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2021 08:00 PM (llXky)

219 I turned all of my guns in at a no-questions-asked Buy Back in the closest big city once I realized how dangerous they were. Made $450 easy dollars for all five or six of them, too.

Posted by: Lysenko -Official dot gov Wyoming COVID vaccination card link, should be 4.25x3.5 at March 28, 2021 08:00 PM (bm04m)

220 cleaning tip: decided i needed some pipe cleaners, but i'm a cheap mofo...

Michael's has them, about twice as long as regular ones, 350/$7 with the 20! off coupon this weekend. cut in half i now have 699 waiting to be used...

Posted by: redc1c4 (*OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated) at March 28, 2021 08:00 PM (+8qae)

221 *puts NZFrank's champagne back in the cellar*

Posted by: Ben Had at March 28, 2021 07:59 PM (hkfig)

I heard hogs like champagne, maybe put it out as bait. ;-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 28, 2021 08:00 PM (lfet/)

222 I tend to m learn so much here at this thread. As a girl, I so I learn so much! Thank you so much my friends- said from a girl

Posted by: COMountainMarie at March 28, 2021 08:00 PM (GV6ps)

223 Because it had personnaly identifiable data on it, and you did ot want to be responsible for losing that, or letting it get i to the dark webz.

Posted by: BifBewalski - used cars for sale, cheap at March 28, 2021 08:00 PM (VcFUs)

224 I clean my rifles every time I shoot them, not because they need it, but because they're my babies, I built them and enjoy cleaning and reloading as a continuation of my day at the range.

Posted by: ck at March 28, 2021 08:01 PM (iBg56)

225
Mr. Weasel is a sterling fellow. Indeed, the only character flaw that I'm aware of is lack of devotion to the .41 Magnum. But no one's perfect, they say.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 28, 2021 07:57 PM (DMUuz)

Tots agree, but.... looks over shoulder and scans immediate area *I heard that he likes those bloody Gee Rand things*

shudder, twitch.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at March 28, 2021 08:01 PM (bgJ0E)

226 speaking of the 9th Circus, the ammo lawsuit is currently on hold while we wait for yet another decision on Duncan...

i'll have to ask the lawyers why.

Posted by: redc1c4 (*OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated) at March 28, 2021 08:01 PM (+8qae)

227 Posted by: Mongo, Pawn in Game of Life at March 28, 2021 07:59 PM (Mot8j)
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Bingo.

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 08:01 PM (MVjcR)

228 Jesse in DC - Sorry I couldn't make it and met for a mini mome. I've been sitting here all weekend with my leg propped up and knee on ice. Have to see a Doc tomorrow.

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at March 28, 2021 08:01 PM (Iw46i)

229 By the way, anyone else holding their breath, waiting for SCOTUS to overturn the ruling by the Ninth Circuit?

Hahahahaha.

Yeah, they'll decline to hear it.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at March 28, 2021 08:00 PM (2SdPm)
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Not a fan of the Supremes, but Ninth just pissed in their beer. Justices resent that crap. In a question of pique vs principle, bet on pique.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2021 08:01 PM (llXky)

230 Lin-duh I have about $650 in that p365. Historically I have avoided selling any firearms after they are acquired, but have been known to trade. I think now though you can get one brand new for about $600.

Posted by: f'd at March 28, 2021 08:02 PM (uN3AW)

231 219 I turned all of my guns in at a no-questions-asked Buy Back in the closest big city once I realized how dangerous they were. Made $450 easy dollars for all five or six of them, too.
Posted by: Lysenko -Official dot gov Wyoming COVID vaccination card link, should be 4.25x3.5 at March 28, 2021 08:00 PM (bm04m)

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*snort*

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at March 28, 2021 08:02 PM (fLVm1)

232 Tots agree, but.... looks over shoulder and scans immediate area *I heard that he likes those bloody Gee Rand things*

shudder, twitch.
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at March 28, 2021 08:01 PM (bgJ0E)
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Can't help myself. I'm really smart!

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 08:02 PM (MVjcR)

233 Rock River Arms has 9mm uppers for $400.

https://tinyurl.com/4xjed264

Posted by: Lysenko -Official dot gov Wyoming COVID vaccination card link, should be 4.25x3.5 at March 28, 2021 08:02 PM (bm04m)

234 I got to thinking, I must have close to 8,000 rounds of ammo in three different calibers. Imagine that.
Posted by: Old Blue - Round Headed Bald Kid at March 28, 2021 07:52 PM (VNmG1)

Nice Old Blue!

He's an old hippie and he don't know what to do
Should he hang on to the old
Should he grab on to the new
He's an old hippie...his new life is just a bust
He ain't trying to change nobody
He's just trying real hard to adjust....

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 28, 2021 08:02 PM (R/m4+)

235 I used to have a Ruger PC, Kel Tec 2000, CX Storm and Hi Point carbines before they were lost in the Hurricane.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 28, 2021 08:03 PM (2DOZq)

236 Scuba_Dude, We will break it out when the happy couple make it to the MoMe this year.

Posted by: Ben Had at March 28, 2021 08:03 PM (hkfig)

237 212 *puts NZFrank's champagne back in the cellar*
Posted by: Ben Had at March 28, 2021 07:59 PM (hkfig)

Don't waste the good stuff on a drunkard like me.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at March 28, 2021 08:03 PM (bgJ0E)

238 Dirndl

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at March 28, 2021 08:03 PM (fLVm1)

239 other fun thing i found out in the last couple weeks: they say to use anti-seize compound during some AR assembly steps, but it turns out the graphite in most of those products will apparently embritttle aluminum, over time... so i guess it's only good for muzzle devices, unless you can find a graphite free one.

Posted by: redc1c4 (*OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated) at March 28, 2021 08:03 PM (+8qae)

240 Not a fan of the Supremes, but Ninth just pissed in their beer. Justices resent that crap. In a question of pique vs principle, bet on pique.

**

Not since Pennsylvania.

Or they might bitch and moan, but the SCOTUS doesn't have anyone to enforce their impotence anymore now that they disbanded the union with their "no standing" nonsense.

Posted by: Lysenko -Official dot gov Wyoming COVID vaccination card link, should be 4.25x3.5 at March 28, 2021 08:04 PM (bm04m)

241 Not a fan of the Supremes, but Ninth just pissed in their beer. Justices resent that crap. In a question of pique vs principle, bet on pique.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2021 08:01 PM (llXky)
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I think Roberts will kick up a fuss and that will be the end of it.

No idea what the DNC has on him, but, it must be good.

With that said, I hope you're right.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at March 28, 2021 08:04 PM (2SdPm)

242 By the way, anyone else holding their breath, waiting for SCOTUS to overturn the ruling by the Ninth Circuit?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at March 28, 2021 08:00 PM

* bailiff intones "Be seated" *

* I look around *

"No standing! Dismissed!" * bangs gavel *

"Hey, I'm here all week. Try the veal!"

Posted by: John Roberts at March 28, 2021 08:05 PM (DMUuz)

243 Not since Pennsylvania.

Or they might bitch and moan, but the SCOTUS doesn't have anyone to
enforce their impotence anymore now that they disbanded the union with
their "no standing" nonsense.

Posted by: Lysenko -Official dot gov Wyoming COVID vaccination card link, should be 4.25x3.5 at March 28, 2021 08:04 PM (bm04m)

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There was no precedent at stake. For a circuit to overrule your precedent is a kick in the shins. Again, I'm not a fan, but I'd expect a smack down so that the peons remember who are Justices and who ain't.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2021 08:07 PM (llXky)

244 C) One of Hunter Biden's handguns. He leaves them lying around all the time.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2021 07:40 PM (llXky)

Yeah, explain the coke fiend / gun owning thing again, Hunter?

Posted by: Form 4473 at March 28, 2021 08:07 PM (sy5kK)

245 Please understand, I do not own any firearms.you obviusly understand this. I am a very anti-gun girl

Posted by: COMountainMarie at March 28, 2021 08:07 PM (GV6ps)

246 "No standing! Dismissed!" * bangs gavel *

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Oooh. Be gentle, man.

Posted by: Gavel at March 28, 2021 08:07 PM (fLVm1)

247
shudder, twitch.
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at March 28, 2021 08:01 PM (bgJ0E)
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Can't help myself. I'm really smart!
Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 08:02 PM (MVjcR)

Ok, I am struggling to come back from that one. Nice.

Hang on - * Yes Mr Weasel, you ARE very smart.*, Nurse wipes drool from his chin and checks that all the meds went down the right hole.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at March 28, 2021 08:07 PM (bgJ0E)

248 He also spent a little time plinking away with his Red Ryder BB gun.
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My BIL and I have spent a good bit of time sitting on his back porch, drinking beer from cans, tossing the empties out onto the grass, and taking leisurely potshots at them with a BB gun. About the time we begin to miss, it's time to police up the cans.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 28, 2021 08:07 PM (bk3Sg)

249 The CX4 had the absolute worst trigger and sights of any firearm I've ever had the displeasure to shoot. The basic ergonomics are good but the entire design is klunky. It doesn't lend itself to the intuitive AR type control. Overall, I see it as a fail. It shoots. It can occasionally be picky about ammo and should go the way of the dodos. YMMV

Posted by: Marcus T at March 28, 2021 08:08 PM (UkAUe)

250 Thank you for the gub thread Mr. Weasel.

Off to read some space Marine scyfy.

Posted by: BifBewalski - laterz at March 28, 2021 08:08 PM (VcFUs)

251 The more I shoot my new Ruger American .45, the more I like it. For less than $600 with transfer fee and shipping, it seems like an exceptional value. My groupings tightened up considerably this weekend.

Posted by: jsg at March 28, 2021 08:08 PM (FiJIP)

252 For PCC, check out a youtube by Paul Harrell. He does a nice job contrasting various models.

Love the gun thread! Was out shooting my Heritage Rough Rider 22LR over the weekend. Always fun!

Posted by: Zogger at March 28, 2021 08:08 PM (pJSvF)

253 Beretta made the CX Storm hoping that police departments would choose it to be the long gun in the patrol cars when a lot of departments were carrying the 92fs. They did not anticipate that the police would choose to carry the AR.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 28, 2021 08:08 PM (2DOZq)

254 My BIL and I have spent a good bit of time sitting on his back porch, drinking beer from cans, tossing the empties out onto the grass, and taking leisurely potshots at them with a BB gun. About the time we begin to miss, it's time to police up the cans.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 28, 2021 08:07 PM (bk3Sg)
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No, the time to stop is when one of you says, "I'll bet you can't shoot this can out of my hand!"

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at March 28, 2021 08:08 PM (2SdPm)

255 There was no precedent at stake. For a circuit to
overrule your precedent is a kick in the shins. Again, I'm not a fan,
but I'd expect a smack down so that the peons remember who are Justices
and who ain't.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2021 08:07 PM

Yep, john "it's a tax" roberts smacked down the 9th a few years ago when they started granting injunctions for the entire Country.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at March 28, 2021 08:09 PM (JUOKG)

256
I clean my rifles every time I shoot them, not because they need it, but
because they're my babies, I built them and enjoy cleaning and
reloading as a continuation of my day at the range.

Posted by: ck at March 28, 2021 08:01 PM (iBg56)

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Yes, it should be a time of fond reflection.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2021 08:09 PM (llXky)

257 Oops...did I say I recently purchased a firearm and applied for a CCW license. What I REALLY meant was I loathe all weapons of war and participated in several sit-in's and protest marches to decry our national obsession with assault weapons of murderous rage.

Posted by: Mongo, Pawn in Game of Life at March 28, 2021 08:09 PM (Mot8j)

258 Doing a bit of research on CBD's pal's Automag problem. It appears that the hammer strut is made out of mild steel which means I would have a new one fabricated rather than trying to fix the old one. Without knowing the exact steel alloy used, it gets a little tricky on heat treatment.

So go to a machinist used to fabricating small parts like a tool and die man. Let him use the original as a pattern before you try to fix it. Have several made as the setup is the same for one as for several, sell the excess on the Automag forum as one other guy apparently did.

Gunsmiths, if you have an old timey one, can also fabricate but a lot of recent 'gunsmiths' are basically parts switchers.

This is not really something that I would have anyone other than a skilled machinist or a old timey gunsmith handle. It is a critical part that if made incorrectly could result in the gun firing when it shouldn't. Pay the freight and do it right.

Posted by: whig at March 28, 2021 08:09 PM (pO7gM)

259 Mongo, Pawn in Game of Life - Rule of thumb - 1000 rds per long gun, 500 rds per hand gun as "stock" not including what you are shooting. Not such an adequate rule now. Giggles and I are aiming at 3000 rds/long gun and 1500 for hand gun. And we practice standardization of calibers. 9mm, 45, 380, 30-06, 223/5.56, 308, 7.62�39mm. Those are the prime calibers for stock.

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at March 28, 2021 08:10 PM (Iw46i)

260 In our family, you cleaned your weapon after each use, never mind the circumstances of that use. My Dad was a line sergeant who saw combat in the Pacific for an extended time. He was uncompromising about cleaning, knowing the consequences. I observe the practice. having been there too.

Posted by: irongrampa at March 28, 2021 08:10 PM (KATBx)

261 My BIL and I have spent a good bit of time sitting on his back porch, drinking beer from cans, tossing the empties out onto the grass, and taking leisurely potshots at them with a BB gun. About the time we begin to miss, it's time to police up the cans.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 28, 2021 08:07 PM (bk3Sg)

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Do you guys ever plink at the Wakefields?

Posted by: Mr. Carter at March 28, 2021 08:10 PM (fLVm1)

262 This is not really something that I would have anyone other than a skilled machinist or a old timey gunsmith handle. It is a critical part that if made incorrectly could result in the gun firing when it shouldn't. Pay the freight and do it right.
Posted by: whig at March 28, 2021 08:09 PM (pO7gM)

Excellent advice.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 28, 2021 08:12 PM (R/m4+)

263 SCOTUS will rule on the Ninth's decision. They have to. The Ninth just deliberately said the Second Amendment doesn't apply outside the home. You won't like the decision. They will say it does apply outside the home. Then Robert's will start with his "it's a tax" diversion. They will add something like" in the interest of public safety" every gun needs to be registered, or something else that ultimately dilutes your rights and gives the government more control.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 28, 2021 08:13 PM (UkAUe)

264 Posted by: Zogger at March 28, 2021 08:08 PM (pJSvF)
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Glad to hear you're enjoying the thread. Welcome!

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 08:13 PM (MVjcR)

265 131 Noob question here and I am sure opinions will vary, but wondering what folks consider an adequate stockpile of ammo?

I have my 9mm loaded and in safe with 17 Federal JHP. Have and additional 15 or so of these cartridges. Also have about 300-350 FMJ cartridges for practice, rainy day, whatever. I want to purchase more but wife is skeptical. Just curious as to how much is enough for the horde. Thanks in advance.
Posted by: Mongo, Pawn in Game of Life at March 28, 2021 07:40 PM (Mot8j)

The upcoming answers should be entertaining.
And hello, Mongo!

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at March 28, 2021 08:13 PM (sy5kK)

266 Another thing to add to a range day is, save all of your targets and keep notes, make a dope sheet!!

Posted by: ck at March 28, 2021 08:13 PM (iBg56)

267 "1000 rds per long gun"

I am having a real problem doing that with .35 Remington.

Posted by: f'd at March 28, 2021 08:14 PM (uN3AW)

268 263 SCOTUS will rule on the Ninth's decision. They have to. The Ninth just deliberately said the Second Amendment doesn't apply outside the home. You won't like the decision. They will say it does apply outside the home. Then Robert's will start with his "it's a tax" diversion. They will add something like" in the interest of public safety" every gun needs to be registered, or something else that ultimately dilutes your rights and gives the government more control.
Posted by: Marcus T at March 28, 2021 08:13 PM (UkAUe)

And THAT'S how the Civil War 2.0 started, your honor.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at March 28, 2021 08:14 PM (sy5kK)

269
No, the time to stop is when one of you says, "I'll bet you can't shoot this can out of my hand!"
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at March 28, 2021 08:08 PM (2SdPm)

Or in my case my dear Dad who seeing me with a Ruger Mk11 .22, puts a beer can on his head and says "I dare you". He was buried last Monday but not because of my poor shooting. RIP Robbie.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at March 28, 2021 08:14 PM (bgJ0E)

270 The interests of "public safety" don't override the natural right of self-defense or the Second Amendment.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at March 28, 2021 08:15 PM (fLVm1)

271 I've been binge-watching westerns. While I realize that it is just for dramatic effect, if the movies were to be believed, no cowboy *ever* possessed a Winchester with an already-chambered round.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 28, 2021 08:15 PM (bk3Sg)

272 Tots agree, but.... looks over shoulder and scans immediate area *I heard that he likes those bloody Gee Rand things*
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at March 28, 2021 08:01 PM

* gasps *
* recoils in horror *

Well, not everyone can properly appreciate the sublimeness of cock-on-close, you know.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 28, 2021 08:15 PM (DMUuz)

273 Posted by: COMountainMarie at March 28, 2021 08:00 PM (GV6ps)
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Nice to have you here!

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 08:15 PM (MVjcR)

274 "Do you guys ever plink at the Wakefields?
Posted by: Mr. Carter "

No but I will at them dang 'ol Hatfields.

Posted by: A McCoy at March 28, 2021 08:16 PM (uN3AW)

275 For new guy with the 9mm, you do not 'need' 1000 rounds or greater. What you need is trigger time more than a bunch of rounds accumulated at very high prices. 9mm will come down. What you do is buy 50-100 rounds at a time, fire it, save the brass, repeat, fire it, save the brass, at a certain point, you will have enough brass to reload your range ammo and can get started reloading at the basic level. You can get started reloading 9mm basically for the cost of the dies, a powder measure, even a Lee Scoop measure is fine, and a hand press or a single stage press. All would come in, along with primers and powder, for about $150-200.

By that time, primers should be available and you will have quite a bit of trigger time rather than hoarded ammunition.

I reload 9mm when there is a shortage and it gets crazy. When prices return to semi normal, I quit reloading 9mm and buy commercially as I reload for a number of cartridges that are expensive even in normal times and at a certain point, my time is worth more than my money spent on range blaster ammo.

Posted by: whig at March 28, 2021 08:16 PM (pO7gM)

276 Posted by: BifBewalski - laterz at March 28, 2021 08:08 PM (VcFUs)
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My pleasure, Bif.

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 08:16 PM (MVjcR)

277 Thanks to everyone for the feedback on the PCC's. I'll report back on what we do.

Posted by: tbodie at March 28, 2021 08:16 PM (gRZfJ)

278 As much ammo as you can afford and store then get some more.
Unfortunately, I have no money or space...sad kitty here

Posted by: lin-duh 27-4 at March 28, 2021 08:16 PM (UUBmN)

279 Lurker Glenn, great father/son bonding experience. Jr. Red and I built all sorts of snow-board features for our back hill when he was a youngster.
Yesterday we did some gum retail therapy and then made holes in paper measuring just under .358 in diameter and today we worked on a new pew-pew safe.
All good.

Posted by: RI Red at March 28, 2021 08:16 PM (UcFqt)

280 Well, not everyone can properly appreciate the sublimeness of cock-on-close, you know.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 28, 2021 08:15 PM (DMUuz)
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It's all fun and games until you get a rim jam.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at March 28, 2021 08:16 PM (2SdPm)

281 whig, a note to put with your vast store of knowledge. The perfect temper medium for mild steel is oil infused sand. Never heat mild steel to a red hot.

Posted by: Ben Had at March 28, 2021 08:16 PM (hkfig)

282 "They did not anticipate that the police would choose to carry the AR."

Yes, the same way nobody foresaw the automobile would win over the horse. By the time Beretta was designing and launching the Storm, departments were already moving to AR type weapons. In fact, the entire premise that firearm was built on makes one think the designers had a time machine that put them back about 20 years.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 28, 2021 08:17 PM (UkAUe)

283 "no cowboy *ever* possessed a Winchester with an already-chambered round."

I don't see the problem.

Posted by: Chuck Conners at March 28, 2021 08:17 PM (uN3AW)

284 "No true cowboy..."

Posted by: A True Scotsman at March 28, 2021 08:18 PM (fLVm1)

285 The Supremes will not create a gun rights or control penumbra. This will be a straight 8-1 decision slapping the 9th down. It's a badly drawn opinion on a bad case.

Posted by: Only Context at March 28, 2021 08:19 PM (xEIoY)

286 I want to purchase more but wife is skeptical. Just curious as to how much is enough for the horde. Thanks in advance.

Posted by: Mongo, Pawn in Game of Life at March 28, 2021 07:40 PM (Mot8j)

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It depends on your proficiency and how often you practice. If you use 50 rounds per session (loading only 5 rounds per magazine, to maximize load/reload drills), you have a six-week supply of weekly practices. You can stretch that to every other week, but if you go too far, you're going to lose any progress in proficiency.

Shooting is a perishable skill. If you neglect it, it will go away.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2021 08:19 PM (llXky)

287
Do you guys ever plink at the Wakefields?
Posted by: Mr. Carter
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Hatfields.

Actually, I do know one of *THE* Hatfields.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 28, 2021 08:19 PM (bk3Sg)

288 Posted by: lin-duh 27-4 at March 28, 2021 08:16 PM (UUBmN)
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Howdy, by the way! How's things?

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 08:19 PM (MVjcR)

289 Well, time to wander. Thanks again for the thread, weasel!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at March 28, 2021 08:20 PM (2SdPm)

290 "Actually, I do know one of *THE* Hatfields.
Posted by: Mike Hammer"

* side eye *

Posted by: A McCoy at March 28, 2021 08:20 PM (uN3AW)

291 Weasel, my arch-nemesis, we meet again!

* movie villain laughter *

But seriously, howdy, Weasel, howdy, Horde.

Posted by: callsign claymore at March 28, 2021 08:20 PM (rfzsN)

292 Posted by: tbodie at March 28, 2021 08:16 PM (gRZfJ)
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Please do!

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 08:21 PM (MVjcR)

293 I may have missed it, but how in the hell in the did the smith bend that strut that much? Gunowner needs a new shop.

Posted by: Only Context at March 28, 2021 08:21 PM (xEIoY)

294 I've been binge-watching westerns. While I realize
that it is just for dramatic effect, if the movies were to be believed,
no cowboy *ever* possessed a Winchester with an already-chambered round.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 28, 2021 08:15 PM (bk3Sg)

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Condition 3 carry was very popular in the age of rimfire.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2021 08:22 PM (llXky)

295
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at March 28, 2021 08:20 PM (2SdPm)
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Happy to do it blake!

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 08:22 PM (MVjcR)

296 If you lose your gun in a canoeing accident, do you
report this to someone? Or do you just wait until someone comes along
to confiscate your gun and then you explain what happened to it?

Posted by: Emmie at March 28, 2021 07:41 PM (ofYez)

In most states, no requirement to do so. Only thing I can think of is if it is later used in a felony, there may be a bit of an issue.
Since I no longer own guns, because the raccoons broke into my house years ago, stile them all and got away with a fast canoe, I'm not affected.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at March 28, 2021 08:22 PM (sy5kK)

297 Yeah, just checking in late too, but first reaction was "what? a gunsmith did THAT?".

I could do that for free, and no training.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 28, 2021 08:22 PM (OTzUX)

298 I need to put a quiet break barrel air rifle in the arsenal. It has to have enough juice to take out a groundhog at about 10 meters, so probably .22 and ~ at least 1,500 FPS.

Not asking for any particular reason...

Posted by: Marcus T at March 28, 2021 08:22 PM (UkAUe)

299
Shooting is a perishable skill. If you neglect it, it will go away.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd
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^True. It's worth noting though, that like riding a bicycle, skill can be regained relatively quickly compared to learning from scratch.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 28, 2021 08:22 PM (L47aO)

300 Posted by: callsign claymore at March 28, 2021 08:20 PM (rfzsN)
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Howdy, amigo!

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 08:23 PM (MVjcR)

301 JTB @ 121- Me. I'm at that point.

Posted by: Eromero at March 28, 2021 08:23 PM (0OP+5)

302 Since I no longer own guns, because the raccoons broke into my house years ago, stile them all and got away with a fast canoe, I'm not affected.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at March 28, 2021 08:22 PM (sy5kK)

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You too? Damn trash pandas!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 28, 2021 08:23 PM (kTF2Z)

303 JTB, maybe you could let our host know what you are thinning (via proton or other more secure means). He might then have suggestions for Moron purchasers.
Or you can send them all to me and I'll let you know. After a while.

Posted by: RI Red at March 28, 2021 08:23 PM (UcFqt)

304 281, Ben Had, Thanks, I have Howe's excellent gunsmithing manuals one and two which goes into extensive detail on heat treatment, bluing, etc. The guy worked as a consultant at Springfield Armory pre WWII and put out his compendium shortly afterwards.
One of the issues is that if it is plain carbon soft steel, your advice is excellent. When the alloy includes nickel and chromium, it gets wonky. I got interested in the subject of heat treatments because I collect very old military bolt actions where heat treatment was more an art than a science so I read up extensively on each of the different bolt actions that I collected and then about the manufacturing and construction of them. The US stuff is available in dry U.S. Army Ordnance reports. Foreign stuff is a bit tricky but collectors from different countries have banded together to scour foreign sources and translate it for English speakers. The arms collection community has lost several giants in things likes Mausers, French and Swiss arms, and US arms recently. The forums, though, have saved the knowledge. FWIW,Brownell's sells a rough temperature gauge material called Tempilac which changes colors based on temp.

Posted by: whig at March 28, 2021 08:24 PM (pO7gM)

305 So that got me thinking. Did The Rifleman have a round chambered and hammer cocked for the first round or did he just cock the rifle and therefore fire the first shot? I don't remember noticing.

Posted by: f'd at March 28, 2021 08:24 PM (uN3AW)

306 I may have missed it, but how in the hell in the did the smith bend that strut that much? Gunowner needs a new shop.
Posted by: Only Context
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I would be *rather* annoyed.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 28, 2021 08:25 PM (L47aO)

307 The Supremes will not create a gun rights or control penumbra. This will be a straight 8-1 decision slapping the 9th down. It's a badly drawn opinion on a bad case.
Posted by: Only Context at March 28, 2021 08:19 PM (xEIoY)

Two things you cannot trust are "Chief" Scrotum Roberts and a Greek bearing gifts.

Sharts all around. Expect the unexpected.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 28, 2021 08:25 PM (R/m4+)

308 Apologies if already addressed, but cleaning up after corrosive ammo* - for bolt-action rifles, anyway - is not a big deal. It's basically just - pour boiling water down the bore, followed by regular cleaning.

I wouldn't use corrosive in a semi-auto, as cleaning might be much more involved.

For those in dry places like SoCal, AZ and NV desert areas, it's even less of a big deal, in that there's no rush. In humid environments, probably behooves one to do the flush/clean as soon as practical after shooting.

* I believe the only thing that is "corrosive" about such ammo is that salts from the primers are hydro-philic, i.e. attract water - this is what your dissolving/washing away with the boiled water

Posted by: rhomboid at March 28, 2021 08:25 PM (OTzUX)

309 rue. It's worth noting though, that like riding a
bicycle, skill can be regained relatively quickly compared to learning
from scratch.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 28, 2021 08:22 PM (L47aO)

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Absolutely! Once you've become proficient, maintaining it is a lot easier. If one is proficient, going to bi-weekly, tri-weekly or even monthly sessions can make sense of ammo is short.

If you have years of experience with a given weapon, you don't need to shoot it that often. The muscle memory is there. The problem for our new gun owners is building that muscle memory.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2021 08:25 PM (llXky)

310 303 JTB, maybe you could let our host know what you are thinning (via proton or other more secure means). He might then have suggestions for Moron purchasers.
Or you can send them all to me and I'll let you know. After a while.
Posted by: RI Red at March 28, 2021 08:23 PM (UcFqt)
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For some time I have thought it'd be fun to have some sort of GT Exchange list, but I can't figure out how to do it without me doing a lot of work.

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 08:26 PM (MVjcR)

311 That range in the picture appears to be the one in George Bush park. Is it that one? Look at the photo gallery

https://tinyurl.com/4feu23us

Posted by: Rudytbone at March 28, 2021 08:27 PM (0po/I)

312 f'd - You mean the 9x49mm Browning/9mm Don Gonzalo?
Yeah, I hear you. I've a Swiss Luger in 7.65�21mm Parabellum (30 Lugar) finding original ammo is a stone b!tch

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at March 28, 2021 08:27 PM (Iw46i)

313 Did The Rifleman have a round chambered and hammer cocked for the first round or did he just cock the rifle and therefore fire the first shot? I don't remember noticing.

He had a (please forgive the technical language here) "thingie" in the trigger guard that pushed the trigger when the guard was closed. These days, likely as not the ATF would call that a full auto.

Posted by: Oddbob at March 28, 2021 08:28 PM (qc+VF)

314 Guns!
Clown World!
Guns!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, shotguns solve problems at March 28, 2021 08:28 PM (uxJPn)

315 So that got me thinking. Did The Rifleman have a round chambered and hammer cocked for the first round or did he just cock the rifle and therefore fire the first shot? I don't remember noticing.
Posted by: f'd
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I'm hardly a Winchester expert, but I believe that most levers had a half-cock hammer.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 28, 2021 08:28 PM (GBHAb)

316 Back from dinner. No shots fired

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 28, 2021 08:28 PM (OVEfo)

317 Yeah, I hear you. I've a Swiss Luger in 7.65x21mm Parabellum (30 Luger) finding original ammo is a stone b!tch

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at March 28, 2021 08:27 PM (Iw46i)

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9mm Largo is cheaper than 9mm Parabellum. Also, easier to find.

Astra 400s are also out there and quite affordable...

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2021 08:29 PM (llXky)

318 So, whilst Sharkman was off in NE FL for a week with his Kids, somebody broke into his storage shed and stole:

1. .50 cal black powder flintlock rifle from Traditions, and,

2. All my shooting gear for the gun.

Fuckers came in the middle of the night with a circular saw and ripped through 100 locks and stole just the best stuff in each unit.

Sharkman is NOT amused.

Posted by: Sharkman at March 28, 2021 08:29 PM (A9rb4)

319 Posted by: Sharkman at March 28, 2021 08:29 PM (A9rb4)
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Damn, bro. Sorry to hear that.

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 08:30 PM (MVjcR)

320 Thanks to everyone for the feedback on the PCC's. I'll report back on what we do.

Posted by: tbodie at March 28, 2021 08:16 PM

I can recommend the Ruger PC9, Put a red dot sight on mine and I can dump a 30 round glock mag at an 8 inch steel plate at 100 yards and not miss a shot.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at March 28, 2021 08:31 PM (JUOKG)

321 Hiked up into the woods a bit yesterday, a nice day, cloudy and cool, no rain for a change.

I brought along a bag of tangerines that were going bad, they're about an 1 1/2" or so. Nice small target, plus if you hit them right, they blow up nicely.

Brought my XD45, testing out the 200 grain hardball .45 from Freedom Muntions. Gun shot a bit high, unlike the G21 and SR1911 the week before, which shot low with that load. Gun seemed to like the load fine, good to know.

Also did some plinking with the G44 in .22. Only about 100 rounds total. They went fast. I hope someday ammo gets cheap enough that my entertainment doesn't cost $60 or more for 100 mixed rounds. Good times.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, shotguns solve problems at March 28, 2021 08:31 PM (uxJPn)

322 "He had a (please forgive the technical language here) "thingie" in the trigger guard that pushed the trigger when the guard was closed."

Right, so did he use the thingy for the first shot?

Posted by: f'd at March 28, 2021 08:31 PM (uN3AW)

323 Marcus, I have a Remington (Crosman) R1K77PG that goes 1000 FPS. Is a squirrel killer at the distance you want or further with predator .177 shot. Break action, fairly quiet if you have neighbors.

Posted by: Only Context at March 28, 2021 08:31 PM (xEIoY)

324 FWIW, on the legal front, NY's Pistol and Rifle Association v. Corlett cert petition before Scotus March 26th Conference. It is exactly on point and probably why the 9th circuit released the opinion when it did. It deals with whether the 2a covers carry outside of the home. The words bear arms were more or less ignored by the 9th's majority opinion which is an explicit violation of both textualism and originalism as each word in an Amendment has meaning which supercedes the rancid and incorrect historical analysis by the 9th. They went cherrypicking in English common law and laughably used Hawaiian Kingdom precedent arguing that treaty language overcomes the 2a which is a violation of hierarchy of laws.

Posted by: whig at March 28, 2021 08:32 PM (pO7gM)

325 "Marcus, I have a Remington (Crosman) R1K77PG that goes 1000 FPS. Is a squirrel killer at the distance you want or further with predator .177 shot. Break action, fairly quiet if you have neighbors.
Posted by: Only Context at March 28, 2021 08:31 PM (xEIoY)"

Thanks. Because my next option is Claymores.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 28, 2021 08:32 PM (UkAUe)

326 whig, one more point of note. After heating the piece, like the one in question you would use a brass hammer.

Posted by: Ben Had at March 28, 2021 08:33 PM (hkfig)

327 I don't shoot much for reasons, but I always clean them afterward, even if it was just a handful of rounds.

It's something that became automatic when I was in the Army. I was crazy meticulous with my M-16, and would disassemble it almost compulsively during down time, even if I had not fired it. Up until just a few years ago, I could still disassemble and reassemble an M-16 in my head. I was profoundly sad to realize that i had lost some of the steps. But i bet i could reacquire it pretty quickly were I to finally be able to purchase an AR-15.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, On Location in Montana at March 28, 2021 08:34 PM (4l77G)

328 Right, so did he use the thingy for the first shot?

I don't know definitively. Isn't AHL the movie guns guy? Whaddaya say, AHL?

Posted by: Oddbob at March 28, 2021 08:34 PM (qc+VF)

329 Any cameras pointed at the storage, Sharkman?

Posted by: Eromero at March 28, 2021 08:34 PM (0OP+5)

330
Right, so did he use the thingy for the first shot?
Posted by: f'd
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Had to. Starting with a closed lever, the trigger was already 'pulled'.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 28, 2021 08:34 PM (pK7cg)

331 There was an episode of The Rifleman where Lucas' kid' s friend got ahold of the rifle and cycled the action, whereupon it went off and killed another kid.

Posted by: f'd at March 28, 2021 08:35 PM (uN3AW)

332
* gasps *
* recoils in horror *

Well, not everyone can properly appreciate the sublimeness of cock-on-close, you know.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 28, 2021 08:15 PM (DMUuz)

Oh I can come to like that,its just the 2lbs of steel slamming back and forth between shots at I look askance it, and other things.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at March 28, 2021 08:35 PM (bgJ0E)

333 "Posted by: whig at March 28, 2021 08:32 PM (pO7gM)"

Thanks. Informative as always. I really hope they take Corlett. It would directly eliminate the scenes NY and other states use to effectively ban carry. Our county will not give anyone a carry license except LE. Everyone else gets a "sportsman's" license. It's total unconditional bullshit.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 28, 2021 08:35 PM (UkAUe)

334 Speaking of the XD...one of the reasons I love the XD9 and XD45 is that they run well when dirty. The pistol design is very tolerate of carbon, dirt, etc in the feeding chamber. I haven't torture tested it, but I have and do go hundreds of rounds between cleanings, maybe more.

Same with the Glock. The reasons I like them are their tolerance for running even when uncleaned. And when you do want to clean them, it's far easier than, say, my CZ 75.

I do expect any gun I carry to meet that standard. Any gun that requires constant cleaning is a range toy, only. POSSIBLY excepting .22 LR, all of them seem to get dirty fast and need a good cleaning ever 200 rounds or so.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, shotguns solve problems at March 28, 2021 08:36 PM (uxJPn)

335 OT, Billings has a lot of street bikes and drifter cars. I hear them a lot, especially at night.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, On Location in Montana at March 28, 2021 08:36 PM (4l77G)

336 I clean all my guns after shooting except my Hi Points. I do run a rod and patch through the barrel though.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 28, 2021 08:36 PM (2DOZq)

337 Weasel, re the Garand:

My stepfather (RIP) a career infantry Marine, fired a stack of weapons throughout three wars.

His favorite?

The Garand.

You're in good company.

Posted by: callsign claymore at March 28, 2021 08:37 PM (rfzsN)

338 I replaced the backing on all of my target stands this week. I pulled out a 762x39 with a new hand me down scope on it, hoping to sight it in on a splatterburst target at 100 yards. I squeezed off 5 or 6 shots and couldn't see where they landed so I gave up( 7 power scope). Upon reviewing my targets for my dope charts I noticed a nice little group 6 inches left(just off the paper) and 4 inches high, so a little scope adjustment and I was golden.

Posted by: ck at March 28, 2021 08:38 PM (iBg56)

339 Posted by: callsign claymore at March 28, 2021 08:37 PM (rfzsN)
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*fistbump*

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 08:39 PM (MVjcR)

340 Upon reviewing my targets for my dope charts I noticed a nice little group 6 inches left(just off the paper) and 4 inches high, so a little scope adjustment and I was golden.
Posted by: ck at March 28, 2021 08:38 PM (iBg56)

Nice!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 28, 2021 08:39 PM (R/m4+)

341 Purchased a Ruger 10/22 Takedown, stainless, polymer stock, this week.

Posted by: davidt at March 28, 2021 08:39 PM (2yk0E)

342 326 Thanks Ben Had,
I have a pretty well stocked workshop for working on firearms but certain things I prefer to have specialists do either because they have the expensive equipment like a forge, have a tig welder, lathe, or mill. For a hobby, I cannot justify any of those nor do I want particularly to be a gunsmith for hire.

Heat treatment is one of those specialty things as is fine parts manufacture. I can weld, braze, etc. but am sloppy at it along with tinsmithing, etc. as I grew up a farm boy and my school had an award winning shop program.

Specialists with the right equipment like a TIG welder are what I would use if I needed welding, a machinist if I need parts fabrication, and I have a gunsmith shop with three generations of gunsmiths that does everything from smokepoles (blackpowder antiques) to modern. They are slow but good.

I know enough to know my limitations.

Posted by: whig at March 28, 2021 08:40 PM (pO7gM)

343
Thanks. Because my next option is Claymores.
Posted by: Marcus T
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Pricey, but quiet. Check specs:

https://tinyurl.com/4bcmc592

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 28, 2021 08:40 PM (cGzEU)

344 Weasel, thanks as always for gubz!

On the lead topic, cleaning, I think the correct answer will vary by individual, firearm, and circumstance. That is, there is no correct answer.

Cleaning after every shooting session is one approach, and if done with due care, harmless.

My approach varies quite a bit. For my XD9, or CZ-83, or 1911, a bore-snaking and wipe-down is the norm. Then, every so often, a more thorough cleaning, in the case of the 1911, full disassembly and cleaning (other 2 are too annoying for that, plus don't require it).

For rifles, similar. More deliberate wipe-down and a thorough bore cleaning for the Garands and M1 carbines. Full disassembly for the Garands - minimized, as "lock-up" with the stock is degraded over time by removing it (varies a lot, but the less you do it, less chance of loosening the lock-up).

Revolvers, because I use dirty ammo (my own - at least the lead-bullet varieties, where the lube is a major culprit), a fairly thorough cleaning after any significant use. Rimfire (Single Six, and an M&P-22 semi, just a bore-snaking and a wipe-down for the Ruger, for the bluing).

Posted by: rhomboid at March 28, 2021 08:40 PM (OTzUX)

345 @ tbodie

PCCs. The Ruger PC Carbines are good, if heavy.

I like my Kel Tec Sub-2000, it can be carried in my backpack and is easy to use out to 100 yards. Also takes Glock magazines, so reliable 30 round magazines are available.

I also have a Just Right carbine in .45 ACP, works fine, it's fairly AR-style.

A good lever action in .357 or .44 is a good option too. I like Rossi and Winchesters.

Palmetto state also makes good PCCs, I have one of their 9mms and it also takes the same Glock 17 mags.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, shotguns solve problems at March 28, 2021 08:41 PM (uxJPn)

346 Headed out for the night. Thank you to all for making this one of the fun things of the weekend. Weasel, once more you've out done yourself. ThanX!

McGyver, out

Posted by: McGyver at March 28, 2021 08:41 PM (Iw46i)

347 Shot the M&P Shield yesterday. Eh, prefer the p365. The Shield trigger was a little scratchy and I didn't like the ergonomics.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 28, 2021 08:41 PM (UkAUe)

348 333 Marcus T., We will know possibly on Monday or Tuesday as the conference regarding the Corlett case was last Friday. Course, Scotus can hold over the cert petition as well. If they take it, 9th Circuit's opinion is probably going to be overturned as a collateral case.

Posted by: whig at March 28, 2021 08:42 PM (pO7gM)

349 Posted by: rhomboid at March 28, 2021 08:40 PM (OTzUX)
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My pleasure, amigo!

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 08:42 PM (MVjcR)

350 I bet Larry Potterfield could fix CBDs problem in no time.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 28, 2021 08:42 PM (2DOZq)

351 Mosin-Nagants, boiled water down the pipe, followed by conventional cleaning. When bored, angry, or thinking "maybe if I just lean into it one more time, the bore will brighten up"*, a fairly serious bore cleaning, using Butch's Bore Shine, copper remover, plastic/bronze brushes.

* spoiler: the bore doesn't brighten up ..... one of my Mosin bores is actually semi-shiny .... but the crown, the ammo, and the shooter matter more for accuracy

Posted by: rhomboid at March 28, 2021 08:42 PM (OTzUX)

352 A good lever action in .357 or .44 is a good option too. I like Rossi and Winchesters.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, shotguns solve problems at March 28, 2021 08:41 PM

What am I, chopped liver?

Posted by: .45 Colt at March 28, 2021 08:42 PM (JUOKG)

353 Posted by: McGyver at March 28, 2021 08:41 PM (Iw46i)
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Thanks, pal. Appreciate your being here each week.

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 08:42 PM (MVjcR)

354 Oh I guess I have an M1 Carbine too. Another good PCC, if you can find one. Ammo is relatively available as we are getting some Korean military surplus.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, shotguns solve problems at March 28, 2021 08:42 PM (uxJPn)

355 Oh I can come to like that,its just the 2lbs of steel slamming back and forth between shots at I look askance it, and other things.

(Not directed to NZFrank; I'm sure he knows this but some others might not.) Don't blame Mr. Gee Rand for that. He designed it around the .276 Pederson, roughly similar to the 5.56, and it would have been maybe 3/4 the scale it turned out to be. The Ordnance Department (maybe Pershing personally) insisted on it being scaled up to the .30-06 because they had a billion rounds in inventory.

Posted by: Oddbob at March 28, 2021 08:43 PM (qc+VF)

356 Purchased a Ruger 10/22 Takedown, stainless, polymer stock, this week.
Posted by: davidt at March 28, 2021 08:39 PM (2yk0E)

Excellent! Every one should own at least one .22 rifle.

Great for training and working on basics and just flat out fun!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 28, 2021 08:43 PM (R/m4+)

357 What am I, chopped liver?
Posted by: .45 Colt at March 28, 2021 08:42 PM (JUOKG)

Caliber sprawl. Otherwise you, too, would be in my house, all warm and comfortable.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, shotguns solve problems at March 28, 2021 08:43 PM (uxJPn)

358 So that got me thinking. Did The Rifleman have a round chambered and hammer cocked for the first round or did he just cock the rifle and therefore fire the first shot? I don't remember noticing.
Posted by: f'd at March 28, 2021 08:24 PM

Ok, Gun Threaders. How many shots does Lucas McCain fire in the opening sequence? How many shots does his rifle hold?

This is a loaded question.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 28, 2021 08:45 PM (DMUuz)

359 "Posted by: whig at March 28, 2021 08:42 PM (pO7gM)"

I'm expecting more antics from the NY AG of they do take it. It seems like SCOTIS isn't in the mood for that this time. I suppose we will see. I think they really need to see Corlett through and eliminate their subterfuge.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 28, 2021 08:45 PM (UkAUe)

360 Hey everybody. Hey gun thread! Hey Weasel!

I've read that pointing a gun at someone at the range is a great way to get yourself banned from every range in the universe. To say nothing of the physical damage you'll likely endure...

Posted by: qdpsteve at March 28, 2021 08:45 PM (L2ZTs)

361 Purchased a Ruger 10/22 Takedown, stainless, polymer stock, this week.
Posted by: davidt at March 28, 2021 08:39 PM (2yk0E)

Congrats and THE choice for .22s

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, shotguns solve problems at March 28, 2021 08:45 PM (uxJPn)

362 Gun cleaning - good. Familiarization with all the bits and pieces - better.
Being able to identify and clear issues because of said familiarization - Golden.

Clean early and often.

Posted by: RI Red at March 28, 2021 08:45 PM (UcFqt)

363 You can never have too much ammo. I have a lifetime supply of 22LR, and shorts, cbs, and quiets. Some fancy/spendy, some not. I add to it when I can. I like shooting 22s, so it is good.
My serious rifles that the M1, and 1917, I want around 1K rounds per gun.
Guns I shoot rarely I want at least 100 rounds per. Like Type 99 Arisaka, and my cheapo old single shot 16 gauge.
My 44 1/2 in 218 mashburn bee is a work in progress. I have around 500 rounds or so, but always look for more.

Posted by: Jesse in DC at March 28, 2021 08:47 PM (Yp3Ga)

364 Posted by: qdpsteve at March 28, 2021 08:45 PM (L2ZTs)
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Howdy! And yup, that'll get you kicked out of pretty much everywhere.

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 08:47 PM (MVjcR)

365 The Ordnance Department (maybe Pershing personally) insisted on it being scaled up to the .30-06 because they had a billion rounds in inventory.
Posted by: Oddbob at March 28, 2021 08:43 PM (qc+VF)

It was old blood and guts MacArthur I think.

A half a billion rounds of .30-O6 in storage so money was a factor.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 28, 2021 08:47 PM (R/m4+)

366 Posted by: davidt at March 28, 2021 08:39 PM (2yk0E)
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Congratulations!

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 08:47 PM (MVjcR)

367 "How many shots does Lucas McCain fire in the opening sequence? How many shots does his rifle hold? "

I don't know and 44.

Posted by: f'd at March 28, 2021 08:47 PM (uN3AW)

368 fun toy store story: was there last Tuesday, picking up my $65 AR10 lowers, and, as i left, damn near got hit by two asshat kids in a POS rice burner.
i said unkind things then, and as i drove by. dumb shit actually came all the way across the light to accost me in the street, to no avail.

the funny part is that they then went into the store i had just left. their gun smith, who could undoubtedly either fix or replace the hammer strut, had seen the whole thing, as he was fixing to leave. he went back inside, told the owner, who also checked the video, which caught much of the action for posterity.

they were told to leave, and not come back... and will likely never know why.

Posted by: redc1c4 (*OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated) at March 28, 2021 08:48 PM (+8qae)

369 I got here late; but, I'll answer tbodie's question even if you've read it before...

I have a Rossi m92 (lever action in SS), it handles .38 and .357 ammo with nary an issue (well you can empty the tube fed mag rather quickly). .38 cal barely kicks, you can't say that about the .357 cal.

I also have a Kel-tek Sub 2000 in 9mm, it handles the 9mm nicely. It came with a 17 round mag and I purchased 2 27 round mags. It's a lot of fun at the range.
I carry it in a 'camel-bak' type water bag and you can't tell it's there unless you know it's there.

I think the Kel-tek would be better for home defense due to its larger capacity coupled with its over-all length of 30.5", folded it is only 16.25".

Now to read the content and all the other comments!

Posted by: AZ deplorable isolated at March 28, 2021 08:48 PM (gtatv)

370 Chased a raccoon around the roof of my house off and on from 10pm to 3:30 am last night. They always come back. Finally just sat in a lawn chair and he about jumped in my lap and then up a tree. Stung him with a few pellets and it took off when I went in to reload. I hope it's not a sign of overpopulation of the nasty things again.

Posted by: dartist at March 28, 2021 08:48 PM (+ya+t)

371 Mister Scott - at one duty day at the range, a guy had a Ruger PC9, with a cheap red-dot on it (the PC version with the heat shield that kind of makes it look like a tricked-out PPsh-41).

I had my 10-inch steel plate hanging at the foot of the berm*, 100 yds away.

Took the rifle, plinked away, boom-ding, boom-ding, boom-ding - as you say, I could've just kept shooting and hitting the plate, effortlessly. First time I'd touched on of those carbines, nearly the first time I'd looked through a red-dot sight.

Conclusion: these 9mm carbines are perhaps the easiest existing guns to shoot accurately. I strongly advise anyone asking for a good starter gun, or easy-to-shoot gun for home defense for non-shooters, to try them out. I've shot the CZ Scorpion (?) also, same-same, very easy and natural to shoot.

*"berm" is actually the carved-out side of a small hill, maybe not so small, probably 500 feet tall

Posted by: rhomboid at March 28, 2021 08:50 PM (OTzUX)

372 A half a billion rounds of .30-O6 in storage so money was a factor.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 28, 2021 08:47 PM (R/m4+)

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In those quaint days currency was still backed (if indirectly) by precious metals.

Now we can print all we need so money is no object. Progress!

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2021 08:51 PM (llXky)

373 Mark AE, before I picked the XD9 as my first gun years ago, I test fired all the obvious candidates, and also researched them. Some guy did a torture test with an XD9 that ran 50K rounds or something without problems. As I recall it included "torture test" stuff like deliberate exposure to water and mud, cold temps, etc. Ultimately picked the XD over the Glock for ergonomics - the 1911-style grip angle is just more comfortable for me.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 28, 2021 08:52 PM (OTzUX)

374 The Rossi clone of the Win '92, in .357 is a seriously under rated delight to shoot. Sadly now, as .38Spl/.357 is delivered via Brinks truck, it's "on standby" for much active range time. *sads*

For y'all bulk reloaders, a question of preference. Are y'all decapping and resizing before tumbling/cleaning, or tumbling/cleaning, first? I'm still using the single stage press, but I'm planning a pretty fat run of .38 Special, and want to run it through as efficiently as possible. Thanks!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at March 28, 2021 08:52 PM (QzJWU)

375 I haven't had a chance to ask CBD why his buddy doesn't just use the straight looking part (top) in the pic.

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 08:52 PM (MVjcR)

376
Lucas McCain was a time traveler as well. IIRC, I remember reading some compilation of the historical errors. IIRC, the rifle he used didn't exist until about ten years after the time frame the show was supposed to be set in.

And his jeans didn't exist until decades later in the 20th century. I think MeTV did something on all that.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at March 28, 2021 08:52 PM (Mzdiz)

377 I've read that pointing a gun at someone at the range is a great way to get yourself banned from every range in the universe. To say nothing of the physical damage you'll likely endure...
Posted by: qdpsteve
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Among other things...

Posted by: SMH at March 28, 2021 08:53 PM (toBA3)

378
And THAT'S how the Civil War 2.0 started, your honor.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg

Will there be CW 2 reenactors in the future?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 28, 2021 08:53 PM (63Dwl)

379 For y'all bulk reloaders, a question of preference. Are y'all decapping and resizing before tumbling/cleaning, or tumbling/cleaning, first?
Posted by: Jim at March 28, 2021 08:52 PM

I prefer to decap first (using a press dedicated to that operation), so that the primer pockets get cleaned. You do have to check for fouling after cleaning, depending on your medium.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 28, 2021 08:55 PM (DMUuz)

380 Ultimately picked the XD over the Glock for ergonomics - the 1911-style grip angle is just more comfortable for me.
Posted by: rhomboid at March 28, 2021 08:52 PM (OTzUX)

It does feel great in the hand. The bore axis is a bit high, but it shoots very accurately if I do my job. Add that to the reliability and it is probably in the top 2 handguns.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, shotguns solve problems at March 28, 2021 08:55 PM (uxJPn)

381 I have a beautiful Browning takedown Made/engraved in Belgium with the original scope and mount. It's a gorgeous.22 and the wood is like a fine piece of furniture. I can't even remember the last time I took it out.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 28, 2021 08:55 PM (UkAUe)

382 For y'all bulk reloaders, a question of preference. Are y'all decapping and resizing before tumbling/cleaning, or tumbling/cleaning, first?

I decap, tumble, size, trim (if applicable), then tumble again. FWIW, I have a separate Lee press set up with a universal decapping die because I hate putting filthy cases in my main press.

Posted by: Oddbob at March 28, 2021 08:56 PM (qc+VF)

383 break action air guns are hard on scopes... just FYI. buy a cheap one for it because, sooner or later, it will NOT zero for you.

ask me how i know

Posted by: redc1c4 (*OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated) at March 28, 2021 08:56 PM (+8qae)

384 I think MacArthur his own self, as Army Chief of Staff, ordered the modification to 30-06 from .276 Pedersen. As already noted, due to budgets and a zillion rounds in inventory.

I think it worked out though. The energy and penetration of the 30-06, in it's various incarnations as far as projectile goes, proved very handy in WWII combat.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 28, 2021 08:56 PM (OTzUX)

385 redc1c4, $65 for AR10 lowers is a great price, congratulations. The ones I have were $95 during normal times.

Posted by: ck at March 28, 2021 08:58 PM (iBg56)

386 here's a Glock19, new, for $720

Posted by: DB- just DB at March 28, 2021 08:58 PM (iTXRQ)

387 Great thread as usual, Weasel! I haven't been back to the range yet, as I still have some carpel tunnel issues in my right hand. It's improving, so I plan to get there in a couple weeks for another private lesson.

Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist at March 28, 2021 08:58 PM (TdMsT)

388 Will there be CW 2 reenactors in the future?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 28, 2021 08:53 PM (63Dwl)

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You can tell which Spanish pistols saw active service in their civil war just by looking at them.

If they are clean and shiny, nope. The ones that have pitting, worn finish, yep.

You can also go be serial number, but the visual method is faster.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2021 08:59 PM (llXky)

389 Oddbob, I was wondering where you were. How are ya?

Posted by: Ben Had at March 28, 2021 08:59 PM (hkfig)

390 Great content as usual. I really appreciate the diverse knowledge and advice.

Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at March 28, 2021 09:00 PM (PHxng)

391 Does anyone have a Remington Model 8?

I have always been on the look out for one but have never laid eyes on it.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 28, 2021 09:00 PM (R/m4+)

392 Posted by: Jim at March 28, 2021 08:52 PM (QzJWU)
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I decap, then tumble in crushed walnut. Part of the case inspection process is poking out the primer hole with a bent paperclip.

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 09:00 PM (MVjcR)

393
Lucas McCain's rifle was a (modified) Winchester 1892, that being the year it was first made. The series clearly established itself as starting in 1881.

The rifles used were indeed real Winchester 1892s, provided by the fabled Stembridge Gun Rentals, whichis/was the main supplier of prop guns for Hollywood.

They used two 1892s, but those were too valuable to risk damaging. So they had stunt rifles so to speak, which they used for the action shots when it was dropped or banged around. There were knockoffs of the 1892.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at March 28, 2021 09:00 PM (Mzdiz)

394 if the H&K USP 9mm proves impossible to find, the G19 might fit my purpose

i want that double stack magazine

Posted by: DB- just DB at March 28, 2021 09:00 PM (iTXRQ)

395 I always clean first, then decap. I've never had an issue with primer pockets - but I'm mostly talking pistol calibers. 30 carbine included in that, functionally.

30 carbine and 9mm get a second cleaning (brief, in clean media) to remove lube, after decapping.

Only reload one bottle-neck caliber so far, 30-06, but still, no issue with dirty primer pockets. HXP milsurp, so after first firing I have to swage out the stab crimps in the pocket, which may have accounted for no pocket issues. But I'm on 2nd reloading of some cases, and no dirty pocket issues. Primers seat just fine (I do it on turret press, in single-stage mode - and this primer process gets a lot more close attention and quality checks than the pistol calibers).

Posted by: rhomboid at March 28, 2021 09:01 PM (OTzUX)

396 Mr. Weasel, you done got a piece of email in your email box.

Posted by: Eromero at March 28, 2021 09:01 PM (0OP+5)

397 Nicely done tonight. Sorry about being a little late, Ben Had was training on rancher woman and I.

Posted by: Rancherbob at March 28, 2021 09:01 PM (gtu9W)

398 break action air guns are hard on scopes... just FYI. buy a cheap one for it because, sooner or later, it will NOT zero for you.
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They make scopes just for air guns. I was told they'll mess up rifle scopes because air guns kick back and forth enough to mess it up. $80 scope I've had for 6 or 8 years is still zeroed.

Posted by: dartist at March 28, 2021 09:01 PM (+ya+t)

399 Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at March 28, 2021 09:00 PM (PHxng)
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Thanks you! Glad you're finding it useful.

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 09:02 PM (MVjcR)

400 382 ... I agree with oddbob but skip the second tumble. I have a Lee hand press with universal decapping die. I watch TV or listen to an audiobook while decapping.

Posted by: JTB at March 28, 2021 09:02 PM (7EjX1)

401 @346 whig-Good advice to Ben had. Making parts for firearms can be tricky. For smiths it can open a can of worms concerning liability or quite simply fear of fabricating making something that can potentially fail God forbid, and decline for ethical reasons. Some cases a smith will go for it, usually with collectors that do not fire the gun often or guys that use oddball guns for competition/target shooting. In a pinch parts can be made in CBD's friends case by a competent gsmith. The part can be checked usually with a file for any surface/case hardening. To have an accurate assessment for what type of metal you can send it out to have it tested. there are places that can check for accurate surface hardened depth(vickers or knoop test) and composition test (Rockwell test). A good smith/machinist (should be one and the same) should be able to fabricate the exact piece and send it out to be surface hardened if needed. There are places that can do this as more modern processes exist. On a piece that small processes other than heating exist that are much better and preferred.

Posted by: JROD at March 28, 2021 09:03 PM (0jZnq)

402 I've switched to sonic cleaning, drying under a heat lamp, then sizing/depriming.
Primer pocket gets cleaned out mechanically later when I trim the brass.
BTW, does anyone use the 3 in 1 RCBS trimmer/champferer/deburrer?

Posted by: RI Red at March 28, 2021 09:03 PM (UcFqt)

403 My grandfather had a Model 8. Pretty sure it was .35 Remington.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 28, 2021 09:03 PM (UkAUe)

404 Does anyone have a Remington Model 8?

I have always been on the look out for one but have never laid eyes on it.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 28, 2021 09:00 PM (R/m4+)

Got $500?
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/896108401

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, shotguns solve problems at March 28, 2021 09:03 PM (uxJPn)

405 And with the concurrence of the Horde, my latest round of 30-06 brass prep has been slimmed down - I gauge every case, and if it's within length specs, don't trim it. This could greatly reduce the time to process. I wasn't tracking for this, but my recollection is that the first firing of this HXP produced much more "brass flow", requiring trimming (I trimmed 100% of them, without considering *not* doing so) than the 2nd firing. Does that make sense?

Posted by: rhomboid at March 28, 2021 09:04 PM (OTzUX)

406 PCC for home defense? Skip it. Go with a lightweight 16" AR carbine in .223/5.56. Too many issues with mags and reliability for me to dabble with something that might malf. On the other hand, the AR carbine in .223/5.56 is pretty much a well-worn path at this point. KR was what 3 for 4 under active assault from every angle with multiple assailants? Yes, even in an apartment. If it concerns you, get a shotgun instead.
I have two lightweight carbines. One a BM carbon 15 which is stupid light, and another home-build, based on the same idea with a pencil barrel, but with alloy upper and lower receiver. They are both the penultimate carry a lot, fire very little, but have adequate power for SD rifles.

Posted by: 4 at March 28, 2021 09:05 PM (KnJdm)

407 Posted by: Eromero at March 28, 2021 09:01 PM (0OP+5)
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Reply on the way.

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 09:05 PM (MVjcR)

408 Hi Ben Had! I was on vacation with the wife last week. We did a Route 66 road trip from Amarilllo to Flagstaff and the to the Grand Canyon just in time to see it totally socked in by snow. Looking forward to seeing you this fall.

Posted by: Oddbob at March 28, 2021 09:05 PM (qc+VF)

409 I have a Ruger pc9. Thing works great, some limitation of available magazine conversions. It is ugly. Did I mention it is ugly? Do not know why the ugliness bothers me, but it does.

Posted by: EdmundBurkesShade at March 28, 2021 09:06 PM (RJCvt)

410 Wow, insta-nap. Guess I was tired.

Don't be this guy!
You've probably seen this video already, but this is as horrific as it gets. https://youtu.be/A9Z1fm-wVJU [GRAPHIC]
Talk about doing everything wrong.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at March 28, 2021 09:06 PM (46GDR)

411 So in WA politics and the current session, it looks like the magazine limit law is dead, because even those legislators who are on the fence with gun grabbing they would have lots of explainin' to do to their Glock owning neighbors.
But the ban on open carry when there is a group of people is still alive. This came about because last year, a bunch of gun supporters met in Olympia with AR's and some even had *gasp* Trump signs. Just because nobody broke any laws is no reason not to ban them, or so the thinking goes.
How quickly they forget that last summer's new Nation, the Nation of Chaz, had multiple murders, and documented cases of people stopping crimes in action, because they open carried.
Open carry is legal in WA, 'cepting bars, courtrooms, and schools, and a few others. And concealed carry is ok for anyone not a felon and over 21. Just apply, take pic and prints, and pay your $58. For now.
Still, if you are in WA, sending an email to your local reps is easy and only takes a few minutes. Go to waguns.org and look under 2A for specific wording that you can make your own.
Or do nothing and be surprised when these leaches are knocking at your door some day.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at March 28, 2021 09:06 PM (sy5kK)

412 I've switched to sonic cleaning, drying under a heat lamp, then sizing/depriming.

Primer pocket gets cleaned out mechanically later when I trim the brass.

BTW, does anyone use the 3 in 1 RCBS trimmer/champferer/deburrer?

Posted by: RI Red at March 28, 2021 09:03 PM (UcFqt)

I gave sonic a try, and perhaps I need a better cleaning detergent recipe, but I find ss pins and wet tumble clean provided a superior inside and outside clean, including primer pockets.

Posted by: 4 at March 28, 2021 09:06 PM (KnJdm)

413 I wash in vinegar/water/dish soap then decap/size on a dedicated press, then it's off to the walnut shells. That's after annealing. Did I mention that I have a lot of spare time and I like fiddling around with gun stuff?

Posted by: ck at March 28, 2021 09:07 PM (iBg56)

414 Got $500?
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/896108401
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, shotguns solve problems at March 28, 2021 09:03 PM (uxJPn)

Nice! Thanks Mark!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 28, 2021 09:07 PM (R/m4+)

415 Last thing... CO Mountain Marie, ( And anyone else interested) come to the Texas MoMe in October. You will get to shoot with real experts, and get real instruction from real experts.
One of my joys in life is getting women to pick up shooting as a hobby and become a good shooter. I think if you meed to shoot someone, you should be able to. Make your attacker pee themselves...
Hey there McGuyver, Hey there Ms Digital!!
This thread is the greatest. Geaux Weasel!!

Posted by: Jesse in DC at March 28, 2021 09:07 PM (Yp3Ga)

416 RI Red, Forester instead of RCBS, but I have their 3-in-1 tool head for their trimmer, and love it. Produces a nice clean case mouth with that nice little bevel in it, in one easy step.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 28, 2021 09:08 PM (OTzUX)

417 4 @ 406- I like the AK and the shotgun for HD.

Posted by: Eromero at March 28, 2021 09:08 PM (0OP+5)

418 Posted by: Jesse in DC at March 28, 2021 09:07 PM (Yp3Ga)
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Thanks brother!

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 09:08 PM (MVjcR)

419 They make scopes just for air guns.

Spring-actions are kind of like dropping your rifle on its butt each time you fire. You also have to worry about the scope staying put on the rail.

Posted by: t-bird at March 28, 2021 09:09 PM (z36Kd)

420 $65 for AR10 lowers is a great price, congratulations. The ones I have were $95 during normal times.

Posted by: ck at March 28, 2021 08:58 PM (iBg56)

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these are polymer, with a brass threaded ring for the buffer tube extension. never saw AR10 lower at your price ever: always somewhere around $200...

Tennessee Arms Co. https://tnarmsco.com/ar-308/

Posted by: redc1c4 (*OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated) at March 28, 2021 09:09 PM (+8qae)

421 Ruger is very good at making guns that shoot right out of the box and let any mouth breather put rounds on target. The PC9 is one of those guns.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 28, 2021 09:09 PM (UkAUe)

422 They make scopes just for air guns. I was told
they'll mess up rifle scopes because air guns kick back and forth enough
to mess it up. $80 scope I've had for 6 or 8 years is still zeroed.

Posted by: dartist at March 28, 2021 09:01 PM (+ya+t)

What he said.

Posted by: 4 at March 28, 2021 09:10 PM (KnJdm)

423 I'm off to dinner.

Thank you to Weasel and to all the gun-loving morons here.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, shotguns solve problems at March 28, 2021 09:10 PM (uxJPn)

424 Am certainly agreed on cleaning after each shoot. You never know what you find. After one shoot with my super-reliable Sig P938, what did I find but a missing recoil spring guide rod! Turns out it's somewhat known that the guide rod can unscrew with usage and eventually flies out. I wouldn't have known but for cleaning after that shoot. (There's a 3d party one piece guide rod that is my replacement, or Sig will send you a two-piece replacement).

P.S. Don't forget your state gun rights orgs, like Texas State Rifle Association. Our state legislatures may turn out to be critical in these times...

Posted by: pikkumatti at March 28, 2021 09:12 PM (vjH93)

425 For y'all bulk reloaders, a question of preference. Are y'all
decapping and resizing before tumbling/cleaning, or tumbling/cleaning,
first?

Posted by: Jim at March 28, 2021 08:52 PM

Decap first using Lee Universal Decapping Die. Keeps the and primer lead out of my cleaning and allows cleaning (SS pins wet tumble) to clean the primer pocket, which is one of those steps that I loathe.

Posted by: 4 at March 28, 2021 09:13 PM (KnJdm)

426 BTW, if people are interested in how gunsmithing is done which is useful when talking technical with people, James V. Howe's Professional Gunsmithing Volumes 1 and 2 is superb. Just in bluing formulas, he has about 40-50 recipes listed which can help in historical arms id.

Patrick Sweeney, a former gunsmith, handles a lot of the later gunsmithing books, including a good series on the AR. Kevin Miramatsu also has some good books out.

Posted by: whig at March 28, 2021 09:13 PM (pO7gM)

427 Moar on cleaning methods please!

Lots of stuff I've never thought of. Heck, I'm still using Hoppe's, and the world has changed a lot (at least as far as lubes) in the past 20 years.

Love these tips!

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at March 28, 2021 09:14 PM (46GDR)

428 Fairly certain the gunsmith who bent the AMT AutoMag III hammer strut misassembled the gun and then attempted to cock the hammer.

The shape of the bend and the color of the part says this hammer strut was made from drawing quality sheet steel which was then blued. This can be confirmed with a Rockwell 'B' scale hardness test. As long as the strut is under 80 Rockwell 'B', it will bend back cold without any problem. A quick fixture which uses a steel dowel through the hole is the way to go.

My early AutoMag III has a stainless steel hammer strut. I think stainless was used for the early pistols' struts. At some point AMT or one of its successor corporations must have changed over to carbon steel for economic reasons.

An important note: Amateur gunsmiths and itchy owners frequently lose the barrel delay plunger and barrel delay plunger spring which goes into the rear of the recoil spring rod. They just fall out and disappear into carpeting below. The pistol should not be fired out without these two parts properly installed.

Posted by: 10x25mm at March 28, 2021 09:15 PM (bbW8g)

429 Posted by: Oddbob at March 28, 2021 09:05 PM (qc+VF)
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That sounds like a fun trip!

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 09:15 PM (MVjcR)

430 4 is right, decap before and use a universal decapper. I use the new Lee decapping pins that are sized by caliber so I have several of the Lee Universal Decapping dies based on .224 caliber, .356 caliber, .30 caliber, and .45 caliber pins.

Posted by: whig at March 28, 2021 09:15 PM (pO7gM)

431 pikkumatti @ 424- TSRA life member here. I credit TSRA with a majority of our legislative wins, certainly not NRA. For the record, long time NRA member too.

Posted by: Eromero at March 28, 2021 09:15 PM (0OP+5)

432
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, shotguns solve problems at March 28, 2021 09:10 PM (uxJPn)
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See you next week, MAE!

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 09:15 PM (MVjcR)

433 Late to the party - my advice to CBD's friend is: get a replacement made by a machine shop. Might be pricey, but I believe it's the best solution. The location of that bend is pretty un-good for bending it back even in an annealed condition.

Posted by: Gref at March 28, 2021 09:16 PM (AMIL/)

434 Got plenty of 9 and 22lr over the years. Never panicked bought except when the Obama exec order banning 5.56 green tip news came out in 2015. It was early on the west coast when I heard that- Limbaugh sound bite as I recall but it sounded from the feed that ALL 223/556 ammo was going to be banned. Ran to a Sportco and found 4 boxes of 1000k rounds of 223 left on a pallet and snatched them up. Sold one to a friend. Compared to nowadays prices I am quite happy for that panic.

Posted by: Rex B at March 28, 2021 09:16 PM (YgAuc)

435 HOLY FUCK GUNBROKER HAS 2 NEW h&k 9MM USPs

Posted by: DB- just DB at March 28, 2021 09:16 PM (iTXRQ)

436 Posted by: pikkumatti at March 28, 2021 09:12 PM (vjH93)
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Howdy and welcome!!

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 09:17 PM (MVjcR)

437 WHAT DO I DO

Posted by: DB- just DB at March 28, 2021 09:17 PM (iTXRQ)

438 I bought my AR10 lowers from PSA a while back, standard price for quite a while was $95 for stripped, or $200 for a complete budget lower. I looked at Tennessee Arms but their lead times were always too long for me, I have ants in my pants.

Posted by: ck at March 28, 2021 09:19 PM (iBg56)

439 BUY BOTH, DB!

Posted by: Eromero at March 28, 2021 09:19 PM (0OP+5)

440 Love these tips!

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at March 28, 2021 09:14 PM (46GDR)

I had been a Hoppes #9 and Rem Oil adherent forever. I recently added a copper solvent and Ballistol to my kit. I also like to have a Bore Snake for every caliber, and those and those little Rem Oil wet wipe packets are a good idea to pack with you hunting or shooting.

Posted by: 4 at March 28, 2021 09:19 PM (KnJdm)

441 437 WHAT DO I DO
Posted by: DB- just DB at March 28, 2021 09:17 PM (iTXRQ)
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Seriously?

Buy!

Buy with the winged feet of Mercury!

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 09:19 PM (MVjcR)

442 WHAT DO I DO

Posted by: DB- just DB at March 28, 2021 09:17 PM (iTXRQ)
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RELEASE THE CAPS LOCK.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2021 09:20 PM (llXky)

443 341... I have that same 10-22 Ruger take down. Easier to clean, of course, and more accurate than some regular 10-22s I have shot over the years.

Posted by: JTB at March 28, 2021 09:22 PM (7EjX1)

444 Oh and a little bottle of CLP in your "go" bag can't ever be a bad idea.

Posted by: 4 at March 28, 2021 09:22 PM (KnJdm)

445 WHAT DO I DO

Posted by: DB- just DB at March 28, 2021 09:17 PM (iTXRQ)

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Buy them both. We know you aren't wasting your money on food.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 28, 2021 09:22 PM (kTF2Z)

446 I did it

1 ea H&K 9mm compact USP w/ 2x 13 rd mags

tags tax title shipping out the door $955.97

Posted by: DB- just DB at March 28, 2021 09:22 PM (iTXRQ)

447 Posted by: 10x25mm at March 28, 2021 09:15 PM (bbW8g)

The knowledge here. Incredible.

Posted by: 4 at March 28, 2021 09:23 PM (KnJdm)

448 I need a cigarette...

Posted by: DB- just DB at March 28, 2021 09:23 PM (iTXRQ)

449 OK - 9:30ish thank you time!!

Big thanks to you all for stopping by tonight and every Sunday, for that matter. I sure do appreciate you guys and gals spending part of your weekend here. Y'all are the best!

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 09:23 PM (MVjcR)

450 Well, I'm going to head out. Thanks again, Weasel! This thread is an oasis of sanity in an ocean of madness.

Wait, that's wrong. It should be an island of sanity in an ocean of madness. I'm like a writer and stuff.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2021 09:24 PM (llXky)

451 Posted by: DB- just DB at March 28, 2021 09:22 PM (iTXRQ)
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Congratulations!!

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 09:24 PM (MVjcR)

452 Thanks too Weasel.
Could not contribute much because I was fixing and serving dinner.

Posted by: whig at March 28, 2021 09:24 PM (pO7gM)

453 Everything but my scopes has a light coat of Ballistol on it. Inside and out.

Posted by: ck at March 28, 2021 09:25 PM (iBg56)

454 DB - you bought both?

Posted by: rhomboid at March 28, 2021 09:25 PM (OTzUX)

455 I did it

1 ea HK 9mm compact USP w/ 2x 13 rd mags

tags tax title shipping out the door $955.97

Posted by: DB- just DB at March 28, 2021 09:22 PM (iTXRQ)

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If you have a minute, I'd like to explain multi-level marketing opportunities to you. Obviously you've got some cash...

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2021 09:25 PM (llXky)

456 RELEASE THE CAPS LOCK.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2021 09:20 PM

COME AND GET IT!

Posted by: RAIMONDO at March 28, 2021 09:25 PM (DMUuz)

457 >Congratulations!!
Posted by: Weasel

Thanks! Let this be my contribution to tonight's GT.

coming to a gun store near me this week

Posted by: DB- just DB at March 28, 2021 09:25 PM (iTXRQ)

458 Well good people, had a good day at work, a good meal when I got home, a good Presbyterian evening service, and good gubtalk. And now a good night to you all, coffee at 0400 as usual.

Posted by: Eromero at March 28, 2021 09:25 PM (0OP+5)

459 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2021 09:24 PM (llXky)
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Thanks pal. Appreciate your being here!

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 09:26 PM (MVjcR)

460 Posted by: whig at March 28, 2021 09:24 PM (pO7gM)
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My pleasure, whig.

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 09:27 PM (MVjcR)

461 Could not contribute much because I was fixing and serving dinner.
Posted by: whig

There are a few nics here that, when I see them, I make sure to reread the comment in full. "whig" is one of those.

Posted by: Oddbob at March 28, 2021 09:27 PM (qc+VF)

462 >If you have a minute, I'd like to explain multi-level marketing opportunities to you. Obviously you've got some cash...
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd

Mom left me her house and all her money
Thanks Mom

Posted by: DB- just DB at March 28, 2021 09:27 PM (iTXRQ)

463 Thanks Weasel.

Posted by: dartist at March 28, 2021 09:28 PM (+ya+t)

464 Posted by: Eromero at March 28, 2021 09:25 PM (0OP+5)
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'Night, Eromero!

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 09:28 PM (MVjcR)

465 4, I would take a look at the new lee sized decapping pins as they are great for range brass--they are sized for the brass that you will be decapping and fit just fine in the universal decapping die. Since those were cheap enough, I bought the bodies and the different sized decapping pins from Lee for my Lee APP press. That press basically allowed me to eliminate about a two year backlog in decapping and subsequently cleaning range brass in less than a couple of days with a couple of hours per day. I also am using the Lee pocket swaging on the APP press which I am a bit less impressed with. The RCBS pocket swager does a better job on military rifle brass. The Lee gives minimum clearances on 5.56 military brass and haven't tried it on .30 caliber military brass.

Posted by: whig at March 28, 2021 09:29 PM (pO7gM)

466 Posted by: dartist at March 28, 2021 09:28 PM (+ya+t)
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You are very welcome!

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 09:29 PM (MVjcR)

467 Weasel, in addition to defending, indeed praising your character, I hope you noted the absence of any plea or other remonstration concerning the lack of your cinematic Executive Director's presence. I figured you might need a week off.

;-)

Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 28, 2021 09:29 PM (DMUuz)

468 461 Blush, aw shucks OddBob, Thanks.

Posted by: whig at March 28, 2021 09:30 PM (pO7gM)

469 Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 28, 2021 09:29 PM (DMUuz)
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Absolutely noted! Said Executive Director is asleep on my lap as we speak!

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 09:31 PM (MVjcR)

470 It's amazing the level of knowledge the horde has. If I asked what the correct timing on a 68 corvette, ten people would chime in.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 28, 2021 09:32 PM (kTF2Z)

471 @434 was 4 1k rds. I think it was .43 per round.

Posted by: Rex B at March 28, 2021 09:32 PM (1MF22)

472 Posted by: Oddbob at March 28, 2021 09:27 PM (qc+VF)
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Yep! We have a bunch of very experienced contributors, that is for sure.

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 09:32 PM (MVjcR)

473 To continue, by sizing the decapping pins to the cartridge diameter, you get a better presizing, are less likely to break a decapping pin (rare but I have done it on Lee equipment and more often on other (cough RCBS), and it will fix problems with the case opening enough to fit in your resizing die.

Good call by Lee and pretty cheap--about 4-5 buck a pin. The .45 caliber decapping pin is a sight to behold as you could probably punch out a berdan primer with it and not miss a beat.

Posted by: whig at March 28, 2021 09:32 PM (pO7gM)

474 tags tax title shipping out the door $955.97

***

This was the right decision because savers will be punished in our new economy. Might as well have something nice to show for it, and HK makes nice better than almost anyone else.

Also thanks as always Weasel.

Posted by: Lysenko -Official dot gov Wyoming COVID vaccination card link, should be 4.25x3.5 at March 28, 2021 09:33 PM (bm04m)

475 Everything but my scopes has a light coat of Ballistol on it. Inside and out.

Posted by: ck at March 28, 2021 09:25 PM (iBg56)

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i'll bet that keeps you regular as all get out...

Posted by: redc1c4 (*OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated) at March 28, 2021 09:33 PM (+8qae)

476 Posted by: Lysenko -Official dot gov Wyoming COVID vaccination card link, should be 4.25x3.5 at March 28, 2021 09:33 PM (bm04m)
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My pleasure. Thanks for tuning in!

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 09:34 PM (MVjcR)

477 Posted by: Jesse in DC at March 28, 2021 09:07 PM (Yp3Ga)

Jesse...where is said Texas MoMe in October? Close enough to seriously consider.

Posted by: Mongo, Pawn in Game of Life at March 28, 2021 09:34 PM (Mot8j)

478 Everyone's mileage will vary, but for 9mm, 38spl, and 45ACP, in 9 years of reloading I've never had an issue doing decap/resize-prime-powder throw-bullet seat with crimp in one series on my Lee 4-hole turret press. Cleaned first (walnut shell, with a bit of mineral spirits and Nufinish liquid car wax added). Now follow same procedure with 45 Colt and 380ACP, my "new" calibers.

OK, 9mm gets another step, as lube for decapping must be removed (brief tumble in clean walnut).

Anyway, I see lots of permutations on the process but mine seems pretty efficient.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 28, 2021 09:34 PM (OTzUX)

479 It's amazing the level of knowledge the horde has.
If I asked what the correct timing on a 68 corvette, ten people would
chime in.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 28, 2021 09:32 PM (kTF2Z)

First they would ask what engine it has. lol

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at March 28, 2021 09:36 PM (9Om/r)

480 and HK makes nice better than almost anyone else.
Posted by: Lysenko -Official dot gov Wyoming COVID vaccination card link, should be 4.25x3.5 at March 28, 2021 09:33 PM

Sadly, we have a few non-H&Kophiles here, as hard as that might be to imagine.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 28, 2021 09:36 PM (DMUuz)

481 Weasel, chile rellenos for you.

Posted by: Ben Had at March 28, 2021 09:36 PM (hkfig)

482 DB- just DB

You are going to spend, and mightily. My recommendation; vacuum the house, do the dishes for a week, and serve breakfast in bed.

Eventually, she will ask, "What gun did you buy, and how much are you willing to tell me you spent."

Add flowers if you want her just to reduce social distancing.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at March 28, 2021 09:36 PM (u82oZ)

483 Posted by: Mongo, Pawn in Game of Life at March 28, 2021 09:34 PM (Mot8j)
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Hi Mongo - about an hour south of Dallas.

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 09:36 PM (MVjcR)

484 I'm wondering how long it will be before I meet someone who is reloading .22LR now.

Posted by: Lysenko -Official dot gov Wyoming COVID vaccination card link, should be 4.25x3.5 at March 28, 2021 09:36 PM (bm04m)

485 481 Weasel, chile rellenos for you.
Posted by: Ben Had at March 28, 2021 09:36 PM (hkfig)
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Sweet!!!

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 09:37 PM (MVjcR)

486 "If I asked what the correct timing on a 68 corvette, ten people would chime in.
Posted by: Duke Lowell"

Total advance or at idle?

Posted by: f'd at March 28, 2021 09:37 PM (uN3AW)

487 Regarding cleaning, I ran my brushes through bores, lightly (with a precision drop bottle) oiled working parts, and cleaned and checked metal surfaces on about ten rifles for problems. Lubed and worked bolts with Slick 2000 which I find works about as well as anything without hardening. I do this annually whether I fire it or not. If you get the Safariland CLP collector, it last about two years in protecting surfaces so an easy application to rifle metal exteriors by wipedown.

Right now, my downstairs work shop is in transition as I am upgrading facilities but have hit some snags. Should be back to normal and able to reload in about two weeks.

Posted by: whig at March 28, 2021 09:37 PM (pO7gM)

488 I'm interested in a Texas MoMe as well!

Posted by: Rudytbone at March 28, 2021 09:38 PM (0po/I)

489 Before the ONT arrives, a thanks to Weasel for the thread. Always a great way to end the weekend sharing a deep interest with good folks.

Posted by: JTB at March 28, 2021 09:38 PM (7EjX1)

490 Thank you Weasel.

I continue to learn. Now I need to work on muscle memory. Soon.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at March 28, 2021 09:38 PM (u82oZ)

491 When assembling alloyed machinery subjected to high pressures repeatedly, et cetera, I use Honda M 77 Assembly Paste. No graphite worries compromising aluminium.

Posted by: Stinker Chevy Indy V8 cost me the race, damn it at March 28, 2021 09:38 PM (BVByo)

492 Lysenko over the years I've seen guys on reloading websites who've done stunts like reloading 22LR, or steel case pistol ammo, for the yukks. It actually can be done, but it's not really for normal life. Far more work than worth it.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 28, 2021 09:38 PM (OTzUX)

493 Posted by: JTB at March 28, 2021 09:38 PM (7EjX1)
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Thank you amigo. Always a pleasure to have you here.

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 09:38 PM (MVjcR)

494 I already have an H&K USP in .40 S&W. I like the single/double action, decocking lever, and double stack magazines. Plus it's real easy to break down/reassemble.

This new 9mm compact USP will replace a Kahr PM9, which is a sub-compact 7-rd pistol.

Posted by: DB- just DB at March 28, 2021 09:39 PM (iTXRQ)

495 Posted by: NaCly Dog at March 28, 2021 09:38 PM (u82oZ)
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Howdy Salty!! Baby steps, bro!

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 09:39 PM (MVjcR)

496 Posted by: Rudytbone at March 28, 2021 09:38 PM (0po/I)
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I can tell you it is the event of the year!

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 09:40 PM (MVjcR)

497 Sadly, we have a few non-H&Kophiles here, as hard as that might be to imagine.

****

I'm fairly hard to shame and very open minded but I know what I like. I'd be fine with an HK or a Sig (lurv me some P226) because I'm not tied to one brand.

That said, I'd pass them both up for a cheap-ass Ruger P95 as a SHTF gun that goes bang every single time and doesn't care what you put through it.

Like I said, I'm not proud or closed minded.

Posted by: Lysenko -Official dot gov Wyoming COVID vaccination card link, should be 4.25x3.5 at March 28, 2021 09:41 PM (bm04m)

498 Highly appreciate the decapping/cleaning advise, y'all. I've reloaded on n' off for years, but never in bulk, and so never really developed a "most efficient" process to put the giddyup in the production.

Favorite takeaway? Set up a dedicated press n' die for the doing. THAT uncorked the bottle for me, right there. Thanks!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at March 28, 2021 09:41 PM (QzJWU)

499 >Posted by: NaCly Dog

no no no
you misunderstand, I think
I live alone
answerable only to the voices in my head

Posted by: DB- just DB at March 28, 2021 09:42 PM (iTXRQ)

500 478 rhomboid, you can get away with not lubing 9mm but it is hard on the die, I cracked a carbide ring once resizing 9mm but it took literally thousands of rounds before it did so.

I now lightly lube only about one out of ten rounds of 9mm with my fingers when resizing 9mm and if you use water based lube, alcohol wipes do fine in removing the lube.

Posted by: whig at March 28, 2021 09:42 PM (pO7gM)

501 The CLP "COL" - collector's version - I use on the exterior of my rifle metal, and on the new CZ-83 I bought a few years back and put away without shooting. I'm in an extremely benign climate for gunz (dry), but I treat everything like a museum piece to some extent. Don't touch a gun without wiping it down with a silicon cloth after, before it goes back in a safe.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 28, 2021 09:42 PM (OTzUX)

502 my 2 cents on cleaning guns:

every time you use them
if one's been on the shelf for a few months, take it apart, light lube, reassemble

Posted by: DB- just DB at March 28, 2021 09:43 PM (iTXRQ)

503 "If I asked what the correct timing on a 68 corvette, ten people would chime in.
Posted by: Duke Lowell"
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Total advance or at idle?
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Stock? What kind of gas we talking?

Posted by: Lysenko -Official dot gov Wyoming COVID vaccination card link, should be 4.25x3.5 at March 28, 2021 09:43 PM (bm04m)

504 498 Jim, Take a look at the Lee App press. It has basically taken over most of my handgun and .223 reloading brass processing including pocket swaging. The tube feed takes a bit of jiggling to set up but speeds brass processing magnitudes beyond a single stage.

I use the Lee bench block system as it makes it easy to switch presses in and out and the steel has the rigidity to make it handle full length resizing of most brass (perhaps .50 BMG or .338 lapua excepted) with aplomb on a single stage press.

Posted by: whig at March 28, 2021 09:45 PM (pO7gM)

505 Favorite takeaway? Set up a dedicated press n' die for the doing. THAT uncorked the bottle for me, right there. Thanks!

Jim

Sunk New Dawn

Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at March 28, 2021 09:41 PM (QzJWU)

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yeah, ima steal that idea as well...

Posted by: redc1c4 (*OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated) at March 28, 2021 09:45 PM (+8qae)

506 whig I am an addict of Imperial Sizing Wax, for which your one-case-every-5-10 works fine. I have some of that Lee lube in a tube which I'm finishing off with 30-06 processing, it came with my first reloading purchase, from a guy in the next neighborhood who was down-sizing, 10 years ago.

Speaking of which, I need to clean the decapping dies for 30-06, 9mm, and 30 carbine (resizing lube) and the bullet seating dies for 38spl and 45ACP (bullet blue wax lube). Have never done so, you can see the build-up, after years of reloading probably should bite the bullet and embrace the drudgery.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 28, 2021 09:46 PM (OTzUX)

507 @Weasel-Yes Feather Razors FTW. I've stopped using DE Safety for single blade. I picked up an Occam Razor OREN and retired my last one which was a Rex Ambassador. The Occam is fantastic. I switch between the Feather "shavette" disposable blade straight razor and a safety depending on my mood or how much time I have. Feather has a nice selection of razors for the singles.

Posted by: JROD at March 28, 2021 09:46 PM (0jZnq)

508 We joke, but you can't take a classic car to a dealer anymore. Those kids don't have the slightest idea what to do with a carburetor or timing.

"Wait, you turn the... what's that again? The distributioner?"

Posted by: Lysenko -Official dot gov Wyoming COVID vaccination card link, should be 4.25x3.5 at March 28, 2021 09:46 PM (bm04m)

509 Stock? What kind of gas we talking?

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What is the static corrected compression ratio?

Posted by: Stinker Chevy Indy V8 cost me the race, damn it at March 28, 2021 09:47 PM (BVByo)

510 That hammer strut is a simple little piece of metal. If not immediately available on-line my solution would be to buy a 3' piece of W1 drill rod big enough to make the part. McMaster has a 1/2" diameter rods for $14. Clamp the rod in a vise and create the part on the end of the rod with a file and drill the hole. Maybe drill the hole first, then file. Don't cut it off the rod and don't polish it yet. Now heat it up with a propane or Mapp gas torch to red heat and quench it in water. This will make it hard and brittle. Harder than a file. Now reheat it gently with the propane torch farther away from the part to temper it. First it will turn yellow and then blue. When blue, quench it. Now use a thin Dremel cut off disk and cut the part from the rod. Polish it with abrasives.
If you mess it up, you still have another 33" of rod to work with. This should not take more than 1 hour total. You will have a better part than the original.

Posted by: FlimFlamed at March 28, 2021 09:48 PM (ZTDnL)

511 whig, same here - I have the Lee bench block mounting system, even though I have only one press. The workbench is for other things besides reloading, and that arrangement makes it a snap to put the press away. Some day I can see getting a beefy single-stage press, and then I'll be able to quickly switch it out with the turret press.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 28, 2021 09:48 PM (OTzUX)

512 Silly citizens! Why would anybody follow a 9th court ruling?

It's like they're telling you the toppings on your pizza aren't correct.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at March 28, 2021 09:49 PM (03n3v)

513 Posted by: JROD at March 28, 2021 09:46 PM (0jZnq)
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Ha! I have a Rex Ambassador coming this week! Haven't quite managed the nerve to go straight edge. Yet!

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 09:49 PM (MVjcR)

514 are we pivoting to shaving?

Posted by: DB- just DB at March 28, 2021 09:49 PM (iTXRQ)

515 Keep in mind "total timing" as a figure is derived from drag racing terminology. It does not count vacuum advance.

Ordinarily any OHV V8 will want 34 to 36 degrees "total" timing.

Posted by: Common Tater at March 28, 2021 09:50 PM (eXYC7)

516 "Wait, you turn the... what's that again? The distributioner?"

"Dwell? Uh, I have an apartment over near the junior college. Why do you ask?"

Posted by: Oddbob at March 28, 2021 09:50 PM (qc+VF)

517 You've got that Corvette thirty over what?

Posted by: Lysenko -Official dot gov Wyoming COVID vaccination card link, should be 4.25x3.5 at March 28, 2021 09:50 PM (bm04m)

518 Feather safety razors, some nice shiny chromed heavy safety razor I got a few years ago, badger brush, good shaving soap.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 28, 2021 09:50 PM (OTzUX)

519 Posted by: DB- just DB at March 28, 2021 09:49 PM (iTXRQ)
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Open thread!

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 09:50 PM (MVjcR)

520 Gunz, shaving, Corvettes.

The misogyny here is palpable. And oppressive. A macro-aggression, as it were.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 28, 2021 09:51 PM (OTzUX)

521 Lysenko, of the two, reloading steel cased ammo is the easier task. But, you either have to have the relatively rare boxer primed steel cased ammo, or you have to convert berdan to boxer which is a PITA. Can be done on a craftwork one by one model but a lot of pain for little gain. The problems with reloading steel is a) steel rusts and any protective coating that the steel cased ammo had is pretty much shot after cleaning and resizing. Two, your reloading dies will not like you, particularly the resizing die as they like much softer brass than the steel. Third, if you have a scratch in a steel case, dent, etc. it is a permanent weak spot in the case and you might just have the case let go there. So, all in all, can be done, PITA.

Reloading .22 LR or even recharging Boxer primers which is now apparently a thing, is more or less something that is a) dangerous and requires very strict adherence to basically lab safety type rules, and b) makes inferior .22 or Boxer priming that creates ammo that wont fire reliably in about 1 in 10 at best or even less at worst. Useful for SHTF knowledge but not for normal consumption right now.

Posted by: whig at March 28, 2021 09:52 PM (pO7gM)

522 @513 Weasel-Once you get the hang of sewing an ear or nose back on and master blood transfusions, shaving with a straight is easy-peasy.

Posted by: JROD at March 28, 2021 09:53 PM (0jZnq)

523 I'd love to see a "show us your cars and motorcycles" thread pop up here every once in a while. I know the Horde wouldn't disappoint.

Posted by: Lysenko -Official dot gov Wyoming COVID vaccination card link, should be 4.25x3.5 at March 28, 2021 09:53 PM (bm04m)

524 >Open thread!
Posted by: Weasel

OK
Parker 99 DE safety razor and blades, badger brush, Proraso shaving soap

pressed for time: Bic Comfort 3 and some Barbasol

Posted by: DB- just DB at March 28, 2021 09:53 PM (iTXRQ)

525 are we pivoting to shaving?
Posted by: DB- just DB at March 28, 2021 09:49 PM (iTXRQ)

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It got warm here so the beard had to go. Scared the shit out of my daughter as she walked into the kitchen and thought someone had broken in.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 28, 2021 09:53 PM (kTF2Z)

526 Thanks for another great thread, Weasel.

We are most definitely spoiled.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at March 28, 2021 09:53 PM (sy5kK)

527 whig - the "recharging Boxer primers" was a silliness I hadn't heard of. Clearly useful in an apocalypse, not so much outside one.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 28, 2021 09:54 PM (OTzUX)

528 Corsicana Texas... Approximately an hour south of Dallas...

Posted by: Jesse in DC at March 28, 2021 09:54 PM (Yp3Ga)

529 Posted by: JROD at March 28, 2021 09:53 PM (0jZnq)
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Good to know!

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 09:54 PM (MVjcR)

530 Possible sources for AMT Automag III hammer strut :
https://www.bevfitchett.us/iai-automag-3/imperat.html

https://tinyurl.com/e8bmp65a

Replacement strut for AMT Automag II can be found at
https://jackfirstinc.com/amt-automag-ii-hammer-strut-861-
m15
Looks very similar to that on Automag III.

Posted by: Anonymous Coward at March 28, 2021 09:54 PM (xoG/Q)

531 Across the Alley from the Alamo

Posted by: JT at March 28, 2021 09:55 PM (arJlL)

532 Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at March 28, 2021 09:53 PM (sy5kK)
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Why thank you very much, LCD!

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 09:55 PM (MVjcR)

533 I've always been reluctant to add hemostats to my shaving kit.

Posted by: Lysenko -Official dot gov Wyoming COVID vaccination card link, should be 4.25x3.5 at March 28, 2021 09:55 PM (bm04m)

534 Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 28, 2021 09:53 PM (kTF2Z)
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Now that is funny!

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 09:56 PM (MVjcR)

535 >Posted by: Duke Lowell

I wore a beard for years, but it's salt n pepper now and I would look like a hobo

Posted by: DB- just DB at March 28, 2021 09:56 PM (iTXRQ)

536 Lysenko, on-original-topic, there's a thread in the reloading sub-forum of The High Road (Show Us Your Reloading Bench) which over the years was a thing of wonder.

Winners were the guys living rural who had entire reloading rooms atop their garages, with a window next to the bench where they could wheel over and try their reloads on the targets visible in the distance (100 yds, 150 yds, etc). All without leaving their chair. It was jaw-droppingly awesome.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 28, 2021 09:57 PM (OTzUX)

537 are we pivoting to shaving?

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In the nick of time.

Posted by: Lysenko -Official dot gov Wyoming COVID vaccination card link, should be 4.25x3.5 at March 28, 2021 09:57 PM (bm04m)

538 511 rhomboid, unless you are doing cartridge conversions of brass, the Lee Challenger will do all including full resizing except if you are doing magnums or .50 BMG.

I am impressed and have set up and worked on the new Lyman Turret Press aka brass smith. Nice heavy press but crappy primer application. I dislike tube fed primer feeding anyway for safety reasons but I dislike tube fed priming systems even more when they do not feed.

I used a rock chucker in the past which is a good press as well for a single stage. Dunno about the new China made ones.

If going cast, you can buy the Redding Boss which right now is a better buy than the Classic Cast Lee single stage. Exception is if you use quick change dies.

Posted by: whig at March 28, 2021 09:58 PM (pO7gM)

539 fuck now I need a holster and a fuck-ton of bullets for that new gun

Posted by: DB- just DB at March 28, 2021 09:58 PM (iTXRQ)

540
I wore a beard for years, but it's salt n pepper now and I would look like a hobo
Posted by: DB- just DB at March 28, 2021 09:56 PM (iTXRQ)
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WeaselWoman is not a fan of the long goatee. Says it makes me look like some sort of criminal!

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 09:59 PM (MVjcR)

541 Posted by: DB- just DB at March 28, 2021 09:58 PM (iTXRQ)
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Yes. Yes, you do.

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 10:00 PM (MVjcR)

542 Good info, whig, as always. I have no progressive press, and yes I have seen the ceilings where primer-feed tubes explodulated. No interest in fancy feeding systems here.

If I do get a single stage down the road, I'm assuming 1) it will be in normal, non-panic conditions, and 2) used, locally - how I "source" most of my gunz and reloading gear, as a first choice.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 28, 2021 10:00 PM (OTzUX)

543 Winners were the guys living rural who had entire reloading rooms atop their garages, with a window next to the bench where they could wheel over and try their reloads on the targets visible in the distance (100 yds, 150 yds, etc). All without leaving their chair. It was jaw-droppingly awesome.
Posted by: rhomboid at March 28, 2021 09:57 PM (OTzUX)

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hahaha, I know a guy that has that setup in his (no joke) singlewide trailer. Makes $100K+ per year as a welder and lives like a pauper so he can retire young, but spends money on guns and reloading on his 20 or so acres.

Also has a gun safe/room built into the trailer that he welded and added on. It's crazy white trash and fantastic.

Quite the character as you might imagine.

Posted by: Lysenko -Official dot gov Wyoming COVID vaccination card link, should be 4.25x3.5 at March 28, 2021 10:00 PM (bm04m)

544 527 Rhomboid, I tucked the knowledge away and it is feasible. But, dealing with very sensitive chemicals, something to be done in desperation more than for general use. Look up the AOS gun thread several weeks ago for information. I posted the website where you can go for it but don't have it at my fingertips right now. In addition, it might actually be easier to reuse Berdan primers than Boxer in this situation.

The poor Russians used to reload .22 LR using match heads to make primers to do it.

Posted by: whig at March 28, 2021 10:01 PM (pO7gM)

545 I reload everything on a single stage press. Don't think I'm smart enough to use a progressive!

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 10:01 PM (MVjcR)

546 Also thanks whig for the .22 info.

Posted by: Lysenko -Official dot gov Wyoming COVID vaccination card link, should be 4.25x3.5 at March 28, 2021 10:01 PM (bm04m)

547 ONT is nood. Great thread, Weasel!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 28, 2021 10:01 PM (kTF2Z)

548 Thanks Duke!

OK everyone - that's it for this week. Enjoy your evening and have a great week. Hope to see you back here next Sunday. You all are the best! 'night!

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 10:03 PM (MVjcR)

549 OK Weasel and everybody else- thanks for the thread- next Sunday I'll tell you about my new pistole

Posted by: DB- just DB at March 28, 2021 10:04 PM (iTXRQ)

550 Gunz, shaving, Corvettes.
The misogyny here is palpable. And oppressive. A macro-aggression, as it were.
Posted by: rhomboid at March 28, 2021 09:51 PM

Naw, man. There's something for everyone tonight. We talked about reloading time.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 28, 2021 10:04 PM (DMUuz)

551 Rhomboid, I use imperial as well but use some other stuff for certain operations such as cartridge conversions. Quit using spray stuff as I haven't stuck a case, but it is much more frequent if you use spray lube.

Regarding cleaning the dies, ultrasonic is the easiest but be careful of your solutions. The second is die disassembly and I use Slick 2000's grease cleaner for firearms to do disassembled dies. I have used Acetone on a cotton swab on occasion as well if in a hurry after processing a lot of nasty range brass. You have to get a bit more involved if you use a bunch of lead bullets as cleaning your seating die is also a good idea.

Posted by: whig at March 28, 2021 10:07 PM (pO7gM)

552 I have both progressive and turret presses, I only use 3 stations on each. Charge, set and crimp. Priming being the most troublesome step I went with the Lee bench prime, it works great and it's isolated from all the other steps.

Posted by: ck at March 28, 2021 10:08 PM (iBg56)

553 Posted by: DB- just DB at March 28, 2021 10:04 PM (iTXRQ)
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If you have time, write it up and send it to me and I will put it into the thread

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 10:09 PM (MVjcR)

554 545 Weasel, I use a turret press for a lot of stuff and have a progressive that I rarely use. I tend to do brass processing, then hand priming, then the rest of the reloading process. I have never had a high primer when hand priming and never crushed one either that way.

The newer Lee Bench Prime is now set up and going to break it in the next reloading session. Easier on old hands than the older lee hand primers.

Posted by: whig at March 28, 2021 10:09 PM (pO7gM)

555 ck, I use a powder cop die in my turret to fill out the fourth place. I size separately and hand prime. So, most of my setup for handguns on a turret is powder charging, powder cop, bullet seating, factory crimp.

Posted by: whig at March 28, 2021 10:12 PM (pO7gM)

556 LOL, well, I guess WTM answers my question about how folks store their ammo - in the box, fancy plastic boxes, or something else!

Posted by: GWB at March 28, 2021 10:13 PM (QTm+F)

557 Posted by: whig at March 28, 2021 10:09 PM (pO7gM)
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I use a Sinclair hand priming tool for rifle cartridges. It really give you a great feel for what's going on. I usually use a Lee hand primer with the little tray when I'm reloading handgun calibers. It nowhere near as nice a tool as the Sinclair but gets the job done!

Posted by: Weasel at March 28, 2021 10:13 PM (MVjcR)

558 LOL, well, I guess WTM answers my question about how folks store their ammo - in the box, fancy plastic boxes, or something else!

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Big plastic peanut M&M containers from Sams Club.

You've got to make sure they're empty first, though, darnit.

Posted by: Lysenko -Official dot gov Wyoming COVID vaccination card link, should be 4.25x3.5 at March 28, 2021 10:15 PM (bm04m)

559 RCBS universal hand primer for those looking for a primer solution. It is the bees knees.

Posted by: 4 at March 28, 2021 10:19 PM (KnJdm)

560 557 Weasel, I have looked at the Sinclair tool but it has been awhile. Sinclair makes nice stuff. Same as I keep looking at the Forster's press and a precision bullet seating setup. But, firing 3 MOA military surplus rifles with iron sights is not conducive to noticing fine reloading tools.

I have pretty much settled on using a Remage barrel setup and going with getting a .280 Remington barrel to go with my LA receiver and bolt. I can always ream out the .280 Remington to go to the .280 AI. Then I can get a .284 Winchester and so on using only one receiver but adding a barrel or so in calibers that I have the bullets on hand for. Possibly a McMillan stock depending on how much is spent on home upgrades in the near future. Replacing windows and perhaps an extension.

Posted by: whig at March 28, 2021 10:19 PM (pO7gM)

561 Oh and current reloading is done with a Lee hand press, until our build is complete and I can put in my Lee Classic Cast single stage.

Posted by: 4 at March 28, 2021 10:20 PM (KnJdm)

562 Big plastic peanut MM containers from Sams Club.

You've got to make sure they're empty first, though, darnit.

Posted by: Lysenko -Official dot gov Wyoming COVID vaccination card link, should be 4.25x3.5 at March 28, 2021 10:15 PM (bm04m)

You win the first world problem award.

Posted by: 4 at March 28, 2021 10:21 PM (KnJdm)

563 4, I have two of those hand presses. One has the quick change feature. First started on one, reloading .38 Special. Still use it on occasion for depriming and reloading at an outdoor range which I haven't been able to do recently.

Posted by: whig at March 28, 2021 10:22 PM (pO7gM)

564 You win the first world problem award.

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I'd love it if my kids could experience that their whole lives. Sadly, I don't think that's going to be the case.

Posted by: Lysenko -Official dot gov Wyoming COVID vaccination card link, should be 4.25x3.5 at March 28, 2021 10:25 PM (bm04m)

565 BTW, Weasel, I have barrel vises, action wrenches,depth gages, torque wrenches (for the AR's mainly) and other toys to rebarrel firearms safely and I always use headspace gages on builds and know how to do chamber casts. Don't want to scare you.

Posted by: whig at March 28, 2021 10:25 PM (pO7gM)

566 Since I seem to be the last in the room, I will put out the light now. G'night everybody.

Posted by: whig at March 28, 2021 10:27 PM (pO7gM)

567 whig, sounds like a good set up. I'm rifle reloader because that's what I shoot but I've been meaning to educate myself on pistol reloading. I think I have a lifetime supply of ammo in my pistol calibers. lol

Posted by: ck at March 28, 2021 10:29 PM (iBg56)

568 Plus one on the Scorpion evo 3 but also try out the CAA Roni kit. I run one of those for my OL with a Glock 17, a 3.5 lb. ghost rocket trigger and a romeo 5 on top. Super lightweight and fits in a small backpack for a great trunk gun.
Also try "wet ones" for cleaning

Posted by: Roman at March 28, 2021 10:31 PM (BBSLz)

569 you can always pee down the barrel....
Posted by: OrangeEnt at March 28, 2021 07:19 PM (7bRMQ)

Of all the times to make sure it's unloaded, that's the mostest important!

Posted by: GWB at March 28, 2021 10:32 PM (QTm+F)

570 Not a lot of shooting this week, but I am working on an inside the pants holster for a full size .44 SA with the 7.5 inch tube. Why, you ask? Cause I can. WW Silvertips in a SA .44 are a religious experience. As in, after firing, one tends to take the Lord's name in vain. Concealed carry with the rig will be interesting. 511 Tactical pants for the win, by the way. What the hell, this is Arizona, right? Jasonj, Tucson

Posted by: jasonj at March 28, 2021 10:54 PM (ocTOb)

571 Posted by: jasonj at March 28, 2021 10:54 PM (ocTOb)

Send pics of the SA and holster to the gunthread.

Posted by: 4 at March 28, 2021 11:42 PM (KnJdm)

572 I have two of those hand presses. One has the quick
change feature. First started on one, reloading .38 Special. Still
use it on occasion for depriming and reloading at an outdoor range which
I haven't been able to do recently.

Posted by: whig at March 28, 2021 10:22 PM (pO7gM)

I started it on it as well and have loaded thousands of rounds including 45-70, .270 win, 10 mm, 9 mm, .40 SW, .223 Rem, before I got the Lee Classic Cast.

Posted by: 4 at March 28, 2021 11:46 PM (KnJdm)

573 On the topic of cleaning; owing to the fact that this has, historically, been a first world nation, a BIG overlooked component to cleaning is not just corrosion prevention, but readiness to either issue out the weapon for use or to cache it.

You don't want to be that guy who suddenly finds he needs to arm a buddy and hands him a dirty rifle... or needs to cache things in a hurry, but you have a safe full of dirty guns that need hours of cleaning prior to a proper application of preservative. White glove cleaning for its own sake is dumb and wasteful, but it stems from centuries of experience in maintaining readiness and a realistic understanding of what happens in a field environment. If it's not a range toy, it should be serviceably clean.

Did I get to the range? No, but I cranked out some custom parts from scratch out of bar stock, so that should count for something. If you're too broke to shoot there are a number of related skills to work on.

Posted by: somedood at March 29, 2021 03:23 AM (wsx8x)

574 Comments aside and advise ^ above: If I made that mistake I would assume that if it could be bent 45 degrees and not snap, then it must not be very hardened in the first place. I'd heat it red, cool. Bend it back. Then heat it re heat it read, and quench it in on a water soaked paper towel. Or don't quench it. Just definitely heat it before bending it back straight, and don't harden it - it dosent seem to have been hardened in the first place else it would not have bent.

Posted by: MoJoTee at March 29, 2021 05:38 AM (JRQWD)

575 Tempering...float it on top of molten lead until it turns straw yellowish. It's pretty easy for small parts.

Posted by: Arkindole at March 29, 2021 05:58 AM (gMihE)

576 I agree with A.H. Lloyd on gun cleaning, and have one other reason to add to the list: Zen. Cleaning guns is one of the most relaxing things I can think of to do. Turn on some tunes, get out the cleaning supplies, and for a couple of hours the world goes away, there is just me and my guns. Yeah, ok, a wife, a few cats, the neighbors tuning up their trucks with no mufflers... The only thing better is maple syrup on French toast.

Posted by: Bama Bubba at March 29, 2021 06:37 AM (mAxkE)

577 First: Fire that gun(smith?).

Must've dropped it.

I would think that if an exact replacement part is unavailable that using the original will be cheaper than manufacturing one as you still have to heat and temper it.

A machine shop may have the equipment to heat and straighten and then retemper it.

That's the route I would go if no replacement avail.

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