The Morning Rant: Minimalist Edition

The relationship between an increase in the minimum wage and a decrease in entry-level jobs has been studied and studied and studied, and guess what? It exists. It's real, and the economic literature is clear. It's even pretty obvious to most sentient beings!

Increase the cost of one of the inputs of any business, and that business will seek alternatives to that increased cost. We do it on a micro scale every day, so it is a concept that is both intuitive and backed up by data.

But the elitists in the media, led this morning by one of the more aggressively stupid national talking heads, apparently didn't pay attention in Econ 1, and probably never went shopping for anything, so they have no basis for their thoughts other than the talking points supplied by their handlers in the Democrat Party.

This is actually a fascinating glimpse into the chaotic, echo-filled brain of a media figurehead. He vomits up a word salad, expecting the illiterates who follow him to accept it without question. Although, I guess in one way he is correct; there are only a few negative effects of an an increase in the minimum wage. Inflation and a decrease in entry-level employment are the two first-order effects. It's the second-order effects that get really nasty.

And who gives a shit that it is popular politically (whatever that means)? Among whom is it popular? Democrat legislators? Sure. They think they are buying votes. Illegals? Absolutely! there will be more opportunities for off-the-books employment of illegals in many industries that consume cheap labor. Industries that can increase the speed of automation? Yup.

There was an economist named Schumpeter who wrote about an economic concept called "Creative Destruction." Well, a $15 minimum wage will absolutely have that effect. It will disrupt entire industries and destroy their labor models. What will happen next is open to debate, but the smart money is on automation, a decrease in service industries and a huge increase in self-serve and drive-through and all the other ways that businesses that currently rely on unskilled labor can decrease that need.

That means fewer entry-level summer jobs for high school kids. That means fewer college students can bus tables to pay for textbooks. That means that your landscapers are going to use more illegals or jack up their prices...or both! That means food costs will increase because the food industries are huge consumers of low-skill labor.

The facts are clear. Labor is not insulated from pricing pressure, and the arrant stupidity and ignorance of the chattering classes and the political classes cannot change that fact.

But eventually it will reset, when inflation rises and the buying power of the minimum wage reaches equilibrium. But nothing can replace the economic activity that will be lost because of this incredible ignorance of the real world.

Hat Tip: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler

Posted by: CBD at 11:00 AM

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1 First!

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is Already Dead at February 25, 2021 11:00 AM (Zm+LZ)

2 Again?

Posted by: AZ deplorable isolated at February 25, 2021 11:00 AM (gtatv)

3 I've seen that tweet somewhere else before...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, paying for my sins on the Scorsese streets at February 25, 2021 11:00 AM (LvTSG)

4 Corgis called.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 25, 2021 11:00 AM (6oPFc)

5 sponge

first?

Posted by: SturmToddler at February 25, 2021 11:00 AM (8D42x)

6 Chris Hayes is stupid.

Posted by: CN thinks Biden is greater than the Beatles IYKWIMAITYD at February 25, 2021 11:01 AM (ONvIw)

7 Hello monkey thread!

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at February 25, 2021 11:01 AM (IUd0M)

8 damn work computer having to send electrons to europe before posting...

Posted by: SturmToddler at February 25, 2021 11:01 AM (8D42x)

9 A high minimum wage will help Mitt send more jobs to China

Posted by: CN thinks Biden is greater than the Beatles IYKWIMAITYD at February 25, 2021 11:01 AM (ONvIw)

10 Th!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 25, 2021 11:02 AM (dkvcO)

11 Nooded.

Posted by: AZ deplorable isolated at February 25, 2021 11:02 AM (gtatv)

12 We already have empirical evidence. McDonald's are automating the order-taking roles. You have to tap on a grimy screen or enter it on a smartphone app rather than talk to a minimum wage worker.

Another labor shock will likely eliminate other roles as well.

Look for McAutomat in two years.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, as if anyone GAF. Talking to myself until I talk to nobody. at February 25, 2021 11:02 AM (Ve//x)

13 Willowed from the morning report.

The city of Denton blew through their annual city in budget last week to pay for electricity for 2 days. 2 DAYS of electricity cost the city tens of millions of dollars. That was the main topic in a zoom emergency meeting last week.

Posted by: Mishdog at February 25, 2021 11:03 AM (cqAUI)

14 A $15 minimum wage?
It's a tax.

Posted by: Chief Justice John Roberts at February 25, 2021 11:03 AM (vted1)

15 Chris Hayes is...how should I put this?...dumb as fuck.

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at February 25, 2021 11:03 AM (y7DUB)

16 I know Basic Economics by Sowell talks about this, but are there other, more handy and deliverable resources to prove this?

Things more easily deployed in an argument, I mean.

Posted by: .87c at February 25, 2021 11:03 AM (f2/Ik)

17 "That means fewer entry-level summer jobs for high school kids. That means fewer college students can bus tables to pay for textbooks."

Is there a downside to having fewer bartenders elected to *represent* us?

Posted by: AZ deplorable isolated at February 25, 2021 11:03 AM (gtatv)

18 Chris Hayes is a dumbass!

Posted by: Corky at February 25, 2021 11:04 AM (vg8iE)

19 I like how Chris Hayes shows off his "guns" in his profile pic. He looks like the skinny cartoon guy, who had pointy elbows.
There horde; a big, fat, hanging curve, right over the plate.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at February 25, 2021 11:05 AM (7Fj9P)

20 There's been talk of indexing the minimum wage to inflation. If it's also set above the equilibrium point...

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is Already Dead at February 25, 2021 11:05 AM (Zm+LZ)

21 17 Is there a downside to having fewer bartenders elected to *represent* us?
Posted by: AZ deplorable isolated at February 25, 2021 11:03 AM (gtatv)

==========

First of all, fewer "bartenders" "elected" to "represent" us, for the accuracy.

Second, it's not like they can't pull from the professional class of protestors like they did with Sinema in AZ.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, paying for my sins on the Scorsese streets at February 25, 2021 11:05 AM (LvTSG)

22 Apparently, the notion of having a robust economy with a diversity of jobs for everyone has never occurred to those people.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Psychos Rule! No, really. They're in charge now. at February 25, 2021 11:05 AM (HaL55)

23 I cannot be compelled by mere evidence! Proof does nothing for me, either!

Posted by: @chrishayes, Proud Moderate at February 25, 2021 11:05 AM (AytXr)

24 Chris Hayes is a dumbass!
Posted by: Corky

This is a horrid canard.
Dumbasses are not as dumb as CH.

Posted by: AZ deplorable isolated at February 25, 2021 11:05 AM (gtatv)

25 Is this the football we were talking about last post? Asking for the monkeys....

; )

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at February 25, 2021 11:05 AM (dfRN6)

26 I have not a single doubt that the only "economic literature" that Chris Hayes has read was some jackassery on Vox.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 25, 2021 11:05 AM (xfb67)

27 There is one minimum wage and it is immovable, unvarying, ever constant.

The minimum wage is zero.

If the cost of employing you exceeds the value of your work your employer will lower your wage to the minimum, zero.

Posted by: banana Dream at February 25, 2021 11:06 AM (DdpzZ)

28 The Democrats rely on punishing their enemies through regulation and taxation while rewarding their affiliated groups. DJT did that to some extent with the SALT deduction repeal which hit blue states harder than red states.

The 15 buck minimum wage is to reward union allies whose labor contracts are often based on a premium above the minimum wage and to punish small business who are more Republican. That is the Dem philosophy--to take from their opponents and give to their supporters.

Posted by: whig at February 25, 2021 11:07 AM (pO7gM)

29 The city of Denton blew through their annual city in budget last week to pay for electricity for 2 days. 2 DAYS of electricity cost the city tens of millions of dollars. That was the main topic in a zoom emergency meeting last week.
Posted by: Mishdog at Febru

Whoa. What else do they need to pay for? Police and Fire? Sounds dire.

Posted by: LASue at February 25, 2021 11:07 AM (D0r5+)

30 20 There's been talk of indexing the minimum wage to inflation. If it's also set above the equilibrium point...

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is Already Dead at February 25, 2021 11:05 AM (Zm+LZ)

They'd never do it. Then they could never campaign on raising it again.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 25, 2021 11:07 AM (xfb67)

31 That means fewer entry-level summer jobs for high school kids.

Been to California? That number is zero. There's no way for them to legally compete.

Posted by: t-bird at February 25, 2021 11:07 AM (ELgVT)

32 I would encourage anyone with school aged kids to have them look into the field of robotic repair. Pretty soon, it will be the only job left.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at February 25, 2021 11:07 AM (7Fj9P)

33 Willowed: Punk monkey picture is bad enough. Please don't go looking for images of prolate spheroid-simian sensuality as mentioned in the previous thread.

Posted by: Downcast at February 25, 2021 11:07 AM (mBZZZ)

34 Well, it's not like the politico's kids will be affected. They get "internships" or jobs with foreign oil companies.

Posted by: Flyguy at February 25, 2021 11:08 AM (pLEy5)

35 USAF Chief of Staff Gen. Charlie Brown says we need a low cost fighter
since the JSF F-35 is so darn expensive -
https://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=110831

Color me surprised.
Not. The JSF started in the late 1980s as only a replacement for the
Harrier. Then everyone decided to make their own silk purse out of the
JSF sow's ear so now the F-35 is even less interchangeable than the
various flavors of the TFX - F-111A, F-111C, F-111D, F-111E, F-111F, and
the FB-111A.

Be nice if something salutary arises from the multi-billion multi-national F-35 debacle but the cynic in me says the Democrats will use this to further gut the military just like Gaylord did by cancelling the F-22 production early and destroying the tooling.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 25, 2021 11:08 AM (ytRtA)

36 Demoprogs are innumerate, as Hayes' tweet demonstrates.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Psychos Rule! No, really. They're in charge now. at February 25, 2021 11:08 AM (HaL55)

37 hiya

Posted by: JT at February 25, 2021 11:08 AM (arJlL)

38 34 Well, it's not like the politico's kids will be affected. They get "internships" or jobs with foreign oil companies.

Posted by: Flyguy at February 25, 2021 11:08 AM (pLEy5)

They earned those internships. The hard way.

Posted by: The Lincoln Project at February 25, 2021 11:08 AM (xfb67)

39 damn work computer having to send electrons to europe before posting...
Posted by: SturmToddler

LOL. When I'm at home, everything goes thru Virginia. When I'm in the office, everything goes thru Texas. Weird. I'm 15 miles away door to door.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 25, 2021 11:08 AM (6oPFc)

40 16 I know Basic Economics by Sowell talks about this, but are there other, more handy and deliverable resources to prove this?

Things more easily deployed in an argument, I mean.
Posted by: .87c at February 25, 2021 11:03 AM (f2/Ik)

Not sure what you're hoping for but most economic studies are available at nber.org (National Bureau of Economic Research). There was a study that observed the general empirical conclusion for what minimum wages did matched the theoretical and logical conclusions, except in those studies which were garbage. I don't happen to have a link handy unfortunately.

The only edge case is considered to be in dealing with a monopsony.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is Already Dead at February 25, 2021 11:09 AM (Zm+LZ)

41 The concepts here are, no joke, covered in freshman-level Macroeconomic classes.

I'm not shy about my opinion that Economics is less science and more philosophy, but that doesn't mean there aren't at least a few hard and fast rules...or laws, if you will. Chief among which is a paraphrase of Newton...every action has an opposite reaction, often unintended and usually unknowable. Diktats to raise a wage without a concurrent increase in production, value, skills, etc, fall into that. Simply put, it accomplishes very little long term but a LOT of pain in the short term.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, as if anyone GAF. Talking to myself until I talk to nobody. at February 25, 2021 11:09 AM (Ve//x)

42 >>>and the arrant stupidity and ignorance of the chattering classes and the political classes

I have never used the word "arrant" in a sentence. That is going to change--now.

Posted by: m at February 25, 2021 11:09 AM (ih55y)

43 The city of Denton blew through their annual city in budget last week to pay for electricity for 2 days. 2 DAYS of electricity cost the city tens of millions of dollars. That was the main topic in a zoom emergency meeting last week.
Posted by: Mishdog at Febru

Maybe not having their grid connected to neighboring states needs to be reconsidered. Or listening one fucking bit to the epa.

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at February 25, 2021 11:09 AM (y7DUB)

44 There's been talk of indexing the minimum wage to inflation. If it's also set above the equilibrium point...

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is Already Dead at February 25, 2021 11:05 AM (Zm+LZ)

That's a very good way to make it even worse for the economy.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 25, 2021 11:10 AM (Q9lwr)

45 Chattering class?

Oh the Twitterati

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 25, 2021 11:10 AM (ytRtA)

46 Where is the equilibrium without a price floor in this market?

Posted by: MJ at February 25, 2021 11:10 AM (gAMkn)

47 The 15 buck minimum wage is to reward union allies whose labor contracts
are often based on a premium above the minimum wage and to punish small
business who are more Republican. That is the Dem philosophy--to take
from their opponents and give to their supporters.
Destroying Republican grassroots support was the main driver of the abortion of NAFTA.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Psychos Rule! No, really. They're in charge now. at February 25, 2021 11:11 AM (HaL55)

48 It amazes me that people as stupid as Chris Hayes can have risen as high as they have. Is he the son of a governor or something?

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at February 25, 2021 11:11 AM (E+OcO)

49 Somebody tell Hayes that the Soviet Union went away 30 years ago. He's missed that bus.

Posted by: Diogenes at February 25, 2021 11:11 AM (axyOa)

50 Sorry, but I can't fix stupid.

Posted by: Zombie Milton Friedman at February 25, 2021 11:11 AM (gmo/4)

51 There isn't just a link between raising the minimum wage and fewer minimum wage jobs, but I'll bet between minimum wage jobs and fewer minimum wage employers. And that's the real point of minimum wage laws. It's the powerful in Washington eliminating the small business owner so that we all live in a world where all our goods and services are provided by Amazon.

Posted by: Gregory Quartano at February 25, 2021 11:11 AM (XFFWZ)

52 46 Where is the equilibrium without a price floor in this market?

Posted by: MJ at February 25, 2021 11:10 AM (gAMkn)

Depends on the type of labor, but the prevailing wage for unskilled labor such as at fast food places and grocery stores is a pretty good answer when looking at minimum wages.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is Already Dead at February 25, 2021 11:12 AM (Zm+LZ)

53 The super ordinate minimum wage of The Universe is zero dollars and zero cents.

A great many people are going to become aware of that tautology.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at February 25, 2021 11:12 AM (73NTg)

54 The funny part of Hayes' quote is "very very popular". Weren't we just assured for 4 years that populism is bad and Hitlerian and stuff?

Posted by: Ian S. at February 25, 2021 11:12 AM (ZGrMX)

55 Playing music safely.

https://bit.ly/3pTmQt9

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 25, 2021 11:12 AM (VVEnO)

56 It amazes me that people as stupid as Chris Hayes can have risen as high as they have. Is he the son of a governor or something?

- -

I don't think he's hired for his brains, only that he can sound brainy as he regurgitates what his employer wants him to say.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, as if anyone GAF. Talking to myself until I talk to nobody. at February 25, 2021 11:12 AM (Ve//x)

57 USAF Chief of Staff Gen. Charlie Brown says we need a low cost fighter
since the JSF F-35 is so darn expensive
=================
We're on it!

Posted by: Boeing, Lockheed and Raytheon at February 25, 2021 11:12 AM (7Fj9P)

58 36 Backwards Boy, never assume stupidity with Dems when malice can explain the same statement.

I am sure that Hayes knows in some sense that it will increase unemployment but all the media have their talking points and those must be followed absolutely. Consider the media as basically paid PR flacks and totally untrustworthy company propaganda and you will go far.

Basically, we have the same task as people in the Sov. Union do. We have to get information from very biased sources and to some extent from external media. I see the Daily Mail covering and reporting much more than US media with the seamy side of US political figures for example.

Posted by: whig at February 25, 2021 11:12 AM (pO7gM)

59 Why stop at $15 Hayes? Ya cheap bustard. Folks deserve more and who are you to determine their minimum value? I say make it $50 per hour.

Posted by: Same at February 25, 2021 11:12 AM (4O67w)

60 20 There's been talk of indexing the minimum wage to inflation. If it's also set above the equilibrium point...
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is Already Dead at February 25, 2021 11:05 AM (Zm+LZ)

huh

Posted by: m at February 25, 2021 11:13 AM (ih55y)

61 It amazes me that people as stupid as Chris Hayes can have risen as high as they have. Is he the son of a governor or something?

- -

I don't think he's hired for his brains, only that he can sound brainy as he regurgitates what his employer wants him to say.
======

And he sucks cock reeeeeeal good.

Posted by: MSNBC Execs at February 25, 2021 11:13 AM (vg8iE)

62 Lets just pay everyone a million bucks an hour.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at February 25, 2021 11:13 AM (6/LtX)

63 It amazes me that people as stupid as Chris Hayes can have risen as high as they have.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at February 25, 2021 11:11 AM

It's really quite astounding. If we would start listing such folks, this comment thread would go way past 1K.

Posted by: one of the quiet ones at February 25, 2021 11:13 AM (HeKhk)

64 23 I cannot be compelled by mere evidence! Proof does nothing for me, either!
Posted by: @chrishayes
______________

"Compelling argument" = an argument that he agrees with.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at February 25, 2021 11:13 AM (k4dH2)

65 The City of Denton's utility were complete dumbasses for buying the electrical power at the crazy market price.
Should have had their own rolling blackouts.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at February 25, 2021 11:13 AM (ufFY8)

66 When a fucktard like Hayes mentions the word "capital" I immediately know stupidity is about to follow.

Posted by: Diogenes at February 25, 2021 11:14 AM (axyOa)

67 54 The funny part of Hayes' quote is "very very popular". Weren't we just assured for 4 years that populism is bad and Hitlerian and stuff?
Posted by: Ian S. at February 25, 2021 11:12 AM (ZGrMX)

Obamunist populism gets a pass.

Posted by: CN thinks Biden is greater than the Beatles IYKWIMAITYD at February 25, 2021 11:14 AM (ONvIw)

68
Sobbing softly into his sweater is what Hayes does best.

His doppelganger, Maddow, agrees.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at February 25, 2021 11:14 AM (pNxlR)

69 USAF Chief of Staff Gen. Charlie Brown says we need a low cost fighter
since the JSF F-35 is so darn expensive

I'm waiting to hear from his dildo.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 25, 2021 11:14 AM (ZGrMX)

70 That means fewer entry-level summer jobs for high school kids. That means fewer college students can bus tables to pay for textbooks

They should learn to code.- Chris Hayes (probably)

Posted by: Flyguy at February 25, 2021 11:14 AM (pLEy5)

71 47 Backwards Boy, I agree, the uniparty pushed NAFTA because they believed that a) Mexico's government was near collapse and b) that cheap labor in Mexico and Canada would temper wage demands (by creating unemployment in US) of US workers.

Posted by: whig at February 25, 2021 11:15 AM (pO7gM)

72 I generally ask these "fight for $15" folks why they're so cheap and hate workers so much. If they didn't hate hourly employees so much they'd be fighting for $50 or even $100 an hour. Why the hell shouldn't McDonald's line workers make $100/hr? Heck - why not $200/hr, right? Give them a wage they can REALLY live on!

That usually pisses them right off, which is fun.

Posted by: 496 at February 25, 2021 11:15 AM (U1eOr)

73 There isn't just a link between raising the minimum
wage and fewer minimum wage jobs, but I'll bet between minimum wage jobs
and fewer minimum wage employers.

Posted by: Gregory Quartano at February 25, 2021 11:11 AM (XFFWZ)

Oh yes...a very good point!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 25, 2021 11:15 AM (Q9lwr)

74 27 There is one minimum wage and it is immovable, unvarying, ever constant.

The minimum wage is zero.

If the cost of employing you exceeds the value of your work your employer will lower your wage to the minimum, zero.
Posted by: banana Dream at February 25, 2021 11:06 AM (DdpzZ)

That sounded like Thomas Sowell, and I looked it up, and yes, it is!

"Unfortunately, the real minimum wage is always zero, regardless of the laws, and that is the wage that many workers receive in the wake of the creation or escalation of a government-mandated minimum wage, because they lose their jobs or fail to find jobs when they enter the labor force."

Posted by: m at February 25, 2021 11:15 AM (ih55y)

75 "There's no compelling substantive argument against [whatever I'm presently in favor of]: the [whatever] literature suggests [as far as I know because I never actually read anything other than tweets] few negative effects AND it's very, very politically popular [with the people I interact with on twitter]. Capital [other than all the mega-corporations on the planet including the one that signs my paycheck] doesn't like it: that's it. That's the [tweet], here."

Posted by: The Ghost of Pandemic Present at February 25, 2021 11:16 AM (dYe5S)

76 They live in their own little world. Never ran or owned a small business. Just sit in their high towers pontificating on what everyone else should do.

What 'economic literature', Chris? Give me a link...you pompous little pissant.

Posted by: Tami at February 25, 2021 11:16 AM (cF8AT)

77 USAF Chief of Staff Gen. Charlie Brown says we need a low cost fighter

since the JSF F-35 is so darn expensive.
As I've said before - they never should have stopped production of the F-22.

Posted by: Archer at February 25, 2021 11:16 AM (gmo/4)

78 But nothing can replace the economic activity that will be lost because of this incredible ignorance of the real world.

Posted by CBD

Ignorance? We have to smash the US to save the world! Hurting the US economy is a feature, not a bug.

Posted by: Globalist Dem Thought Leaders that Care more than you and are just better, so shut up already or get at February 25, 2021 11:16 AM (3MG/9)

79 I don't know why we can't get a politician to explain that the minimum wage is like a kid's bike with training wheels. You have to start there, learn it, and then get off it for a better ride. It is not a choice to make for a lifetime. That tiny 4 wheeled vehicle cannot function as a family minivan. It was never intended to, and never will.

Posted by: Downcast at February 25, 2021 11:16 AM (mBZZZ)

80 CBD, the flaw in your analysis is you failed to acknowledge that the right people have yet to be in charge to implement minimum wage increases.

Posted by: tbodie at February 25, 2021 11:17 AM (ovir2)

81 Someone should Tweet to Chrissy Hayes that quip I think from Reagan.

Something like "Socialists will tax something until it stops moving, once it stops they will start to subsidize it."

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 25, 2021 11:17 AM (ytRtA)

82 But ponder that... they promoted a guy named Charlie Brown...

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 25, 2021 11:18 AM (ytRtA)

83 the uniparty pushed NAFTA because they believed that a) Mexico's government was near collapse and b) that cheap labor in Mexico and Canada would temper wage demands (by creating unemployment in US) of US workers.
Posted by: whig at February 25, 2021 11:15 AM (pO7gM)

I got conned pretty fucking well by the gas chamber tools at the wsj. I should've been more skeptical of anything Slick expended any political capital shilling for.

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at February 25, 2021 11:18 AM (y7DUB)

84 Every morning I step outside and look around. I know that everything, EVERYTHING I see in nature is going to try its damnedest to kill me. Floods, snow, ice, mobs, pro golfers who drive...they will all kill me. It is up to me to survive.
Nothing guarantees me any living wage. There is no such thing. If I want to live I have to go out and earn it.

Posted by: Diogenes at February 25, 2021 11:19 AM (axyOa)

85

Which leaves more young people on unemployment then welfare and food stamps and dependent on the government. So they stay home get high and fuck and squirt out more welfare babies thus expanding the percentage of population that are government slaves and the permanent underclass.

Posted by: Victor Viagra at February 25, 2021 11:19 AM (MmZy8)

86 the flaw in your analysis is you failed to
acknowledge that the right people have yet to be in charge to implement
minimum wage increases.

Posted by: tbodie at February 25, 2021 11:17 AM (ovir2)

Heh. I was actually going to say something like that, but we beat that to death in pretty much every thread. But you are correct, they really do believe it.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 25, 2021 11:19 AM (Q9lwr)

87 But ponder that... they promoted a guy named Charlie Brown...

And he immediately banned maple syrup in the military.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 25, 2021 11:19 AM (ZGrMX)

88 USAF Chief of Staff Gen. Charlie Brown says we need a low cost fighter
since the JSF F-35 is so darn expensive -
https://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=110831

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 25, 2021 11:08 AM (ytRtA)

Really don't care if they gut the military at this point. The are turning it into a force to use against us.

Posted by: WiNO - Now Fortified with Fraud at February 25, 2021 11:19 AM (EpDzw)

89 To paraphrase Milton Friedman - Put politicians in charge of the sahara desert, and soon they'll be a shortage of sand.

Posted by: Archer at February 25, 2021 11:19 AM (gmo/4)

90 b) that cheap labor in Mexico and Canada would temper wage demands (by creating unemployment in US) of US workers.
Posted by: whig at February 25, 2021 11:15 AM (pO7gM)

Labor in Canada really isn't cheap. It's an illusion created by the existence of government medicare.

Posted by: Hunter Biden at February 25, 2021 11:20 AM (mzC78)

91 20 There's been talk of indexing the minimum wage to inflation. If it's also set above the equilibrium point...

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is Already Dead at February 25, 2021 11:05 AM (Zm+LZ)

It is, of course, a wonderful thing to control systems with positive feedback loops. Just ask any engineer!

Posted by: Parker at February 25, 2021 11:20 AM (hJWil)

92 40 Red Turban Guy:

Thanks for the link. Here's a meta study:
https://tinyurl.com/ye52ner9

It concludes that while there are studies with evidence on both sides, it's clear that increases in the minimum wages reduce low-skill employment.

Posted by: .87c at February 25, 2021 11:20 AM (f2/Ik)

93 By increasing automation exponentially, it occurs to me that we are making the same long term economic and social crisis that drove Rome into it's Imperial Stage and ended the Republic. With Rome it was slavery, fueled mainly by the large number of captives brought back in the wars. (just to repeat what everyone here knows, slavery in the ancient world had little to do with race; you lost a war, you became a slave)

Slaves became so ubiquitous that small time farming and other small time economic activity was crushed - how could anyone earn a living when there was always someone available who could be made to do if for free? But no money led to civic unrest, hence the "Bread and Circuses" programs by the Emperors to keep the ever increasing but unemployed population of Rome from rioting daily.

UBI is not a new idea; it's 2,000 years old. But we used to remember how it always turns out.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 25, 2021 11:20 AM (bxPTJ)

94 Another labor shock will likely eliminate other roles as well.

Look for McAutomat in two years.

There's already a robot which can make hamburgers from scratch, to order, correctly. This will make them more logical. And so on, and so on, and so on.

This produces more people who rely upon the government for their daily bread, hence the political popularity.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at February 25, 2021 11:20 AM (IUd0M)

95 69 USAF Chief of Staff Gen. Charlie Brown says we need a low cost fighter

since the JSF F-35 is so darn expensive
He should check with Snoopy. I'm sure he can hook him up with a Sopwith Camel

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at February 25, 2021 11:20 AM (N39Ws)

96 off, drug-addled sock

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 25, 2021 11:20 AM (mzC78)

97 86 Heh. I was actually going to say something like that, but we beat that to death in pretty much every thread. But you are correct, they really do believe it.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 25, 2021 11:19 AM (Q9lwr)

==========

How pure are their motives? That's really going to determine the outcomes of their preferred policies.

There's nothing else to consider.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, paying for my sins on the Scorsese streets at February 25, 2021 11:20 AM (LvTSG)

98 Chapter 1
And there I was, at my desk, ignoring the calls for help from my good friend Christopher in Benghazi...

Posted by: Hillary! at February 25, 2021 11:20 AM (7Fj9P)

99 Depends on the type of labor, but the prevailing wage for unskilled labor such as at fast food places and grocery stores is a pretty good answer when looking at minimum wages.
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That's pretty much what I was thinking. Around my area it's about $12 per hour which means a floor hike to $15 would def put some folks out of work or each worker would lose roughly 20% of their hours.

Posted by: MJ at February 25, 2021 11:20 AM (gAMkn)

100 Barter Economy: "Survival kit contents check. In them you'll find: one forty-five caliber automatic; two boxes of ammunition; four days' concentrated emergency rations; one drug issue containing antibiotics, morphine, vitamin pills, pep pills, sleeping pills, tranquilizer pills; one miniature combination Russian phrase book and Bible; one hundred dollars in rubles; one hundred dollars in gold; nine packs of chewing gum; one issue of prophylactics; three lipsticks; three pair of nylon stockings. Shoot, a fella' could have a pretty good weekend in Vegas with all that stuff."

Posted by: andycanuck with 27% more banner ad malware at February 25, 2021 11:21 AM (d6he9)

101 Backwards Boy, never assume stupidity with Dems when malice can explain the same statement.
By screwing around with the free market and forcing it to do things that go against known economic "law" (even though those "laws" aren't written down, the free market operates according to them anyway), they create more problems for people than they solve. Needless over-regulation and the economic damage that results was on display during TFG's Reign of Error. And now that his clown car of economic illiterates is back in charge, we're going to see more destruction.
WASTF

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Psychos Rule! No, really. They're in charge now. at February 25, 2021 11:21 AM (HaL55)

102 Maybe not having their grid connected to neighboring states needs to be reconsidered. Or listening one fucking bit to the epa.
Posted by: Captain Hate

Not hanging your grid to 40% fairy dust and unicorn piss is #1.

Sorry. But coal burns wet, dry, frozen, or sunstroked.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 25, 2021 11:21 AM (6oPFc)

103
Twenty years ago, I was making $15 an hour installing custom home theaters and other low voltage home electronics like that. It wasn't a bad living for being in Michigan at the time. Roughly $30,000 a year for me.

Now the national cost of living average is $60,000.. No way my old employer was going to pay that.. Or could charge the clients that much for labor without them telling to forget about it with a, 'my cousin can do that for cheaper.. blah blah blah'..

But I've been wondering how can someone make a living in a trade, not having a degree and keep up with the rise of inflation?

Posted by: Blanco at February 25, 2021 11:21 AM (BZQgK)

104 92 It concludes that while there are studies with evidence on both sides, it's clear that increases in the minimum wages reduce low-skill employment.
Posted by: .87c at February 25, 2021 11:20 AM (f2/Ik)

===========

"But what if I choose to ignore all the studies that say that there are negative effects because I say, without evidence they were funded by my political enemies? Check and mate, good sir. King me!"
-Chris Hayes

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, paying for my sins on the Scorsese streets at February 25, 2021 11:21 AM (LvTSG)

105 I should've been more skeptical of anything Slick expended any political capital shilling for.
Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at February 25, 2021 11:18 AM (y7DUB)

The Uniparty wanted it. Remember how doing NAFTA would eliminate illegal immigration? Good times.

Posted by: WiNO - Now Fortified with Fraud at February 25, 2021 11:22 AM (EpDzw)

106 @86

Posted by: tbodie at February 25, 2021 11:22 AM (ovir2)

107 Is a "living" wage anything like a "living" constitution?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 25, 2021 11:22 AM (63Dwl)

108 And he immediately banned maple syrup in the military.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 25, 2021 11:19 AM (ZGrMX)

I searched "savory French toast"...it's real...couldn't believe it.

Posted by: BignJames at February 25, 2021 11:22 AM (AwYPR)

109 Economies are fundamentally a function of energy required to move goods/services from one point to another over time. Money is irrelevant to this function, except as a marker of the amount of energy required. This is an easy concept to grasp. Why it eludes so many is a mystery.

Posted by: Lord Squirrel at February 25, 2021 11:24 AM (ZIoLS)

110 99 Depends on the type of labor, but the prevailing wage for unskilled labor such as at fast food places and grocery stores is a pretty good answer when looking at minimum wages.
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That's pretty much what I was thinking. Around my area it's about $12 per hour which means a floor hike to $15 would def put some folks out of work or each worker would lose roughly 20% of their hours.
Posted by: MJ at February 25, 2021 11:20 AM (gAMkn)

Equilibrium price effectively means clearing price. You don't have people who are willing to buy at current rates who are unable to find a seller, and you don't have sellers willing to sell at current rates unable to find a buyer. If you see shortages or surpluses the market is either moving to a new equilibrium or has some sort of interference going on.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is Already Dead at February 25, 2021 11:24 AM (Zm+LZ)

111 "so they have no basis for their thoughts other than the talking points supplied by their handlers in the Democrat Party."

Progressive belief is not in any way indexed to reality; the entire thing is built around the concept that reality doesn't exist. People are getting distracted by lefty mouth noises when what they should be doing is making friendly gestures while reaching behind them for a rock.

Posted by: somedood at February 25, 2021 11:24 AM (yqVg3)

112 I searched "savory French toast"...it's real...couldn't believe it.
That's called savoir farine. Ask bilingual Ace.

Posted by: andycanuck with 27% more banner ad malware at February 25, 2021 11:24 AM (d6he9)

113 USAF Chief of Staff Gen. Charlie Brown says we need a low cost fighter

And they can have one in 25 years and $5 trillion in development costs. It will be 30% more expensive than the current JSF, but, if they didn't design it as a low cost fighter, it would have wound up 70% more expensive, so they realized a 40% cost savings!

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 25, 2021 11:24 AM (V7LOe)

114 But I've been wondering how can someone make a living in a trade, not having a degree and keep up with the rise of inflation?

Posted by: Blanco

Plumber. Electrician. Welder. Mechanic.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 25, 2021 11:25 AM (6oPFc)

115 Chris Hayes is one more example of my Gramma's favorite saying, "he isn't smart enough to be called stupid."

Posted by: irongrampa at February 25, 2021 11:25 AM (KATBx)

116 I searched "savory French toast"...it's real...couldn't believe it.

Posted by: BignJames at February 25, 2021 11:22 AM (AwYPR)

Try it...you'll like it!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 25, 2021 11:25 AM (Q9lwr)

117 For economic reformers who regarded inferior workers as a threat, the minimum wage provided an invaluable service. It identified inferior workers by idling them. So identified, they could be dealt with. The unemployable would be removed to institutions, or to celibate labor colonies.

Felix Frankfurter… invoked the segregating effects of minimum wage laws to justify his defense of Oregon’s minimum wage law. Frankfurter argued that the states’ police power permitted them to override the individuals right to freely contract in the name of protecting society’s health, welfare, or morals. Because a successful minimum wage sorted “the normal self-supporting worker from the unemployables” (by idling them), it served a compelling state interest in public health. The minimum wage, Frankfurter suggested, was but a first step toward the solution of determining “how to treat those who cannot carry their own weight.”

From Thomas C. Leonard’s Illiberal Reformers, which I recommend. Minimum wage laws were an early form of eugenics.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at February 25, 2021 11:25 AM (2lndx)

118 Which leaves more young people on unemployment then welfare and food stamps and dependent on the government. So they stay home get high and fuck and squirt out more welfare babies thus expanding the percentage of population that are government slaves and the permanent underclass.
Posted by: Victor Viagra at February 25, 2021 11:19 AM

The piper's about to call in his due for taxes on that sweet sweet $600 per week fed unemployment boost. The howling will be epic.

Posted by: one of the quiet ones at February 25, 2021 11:25 AM (HeKhk)

119 But I've been wondering how can someone make a living in a trade, not having a degree and keep up with the rise of inflation?

Posted by: Blanco at February 25, 2021 11:21 AM (BZQgK)

you go all cash, do word of mouth business only, and blow off all of that reporting to the government and tax bullshit.

At least that's how most of the ones I know do it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 25, 2021 11:26 AM (bxPTJ)

120
Raising the minimum wage just resets the value of zero.

Once, the new value of zero is in place, everything moves (costs of energy, food, housing, etc) to accommodate the new zero.

Low level jobs are lost and in this era replaced by automation.

So-o-o-o, why do we need to import so many illiterate, unskilled workers when you're going to destroy the jobs they can do?

Posted by: naturalfake at February 25, 2021 11:26 AM (dWwl8)

121 Like I said the other day, I'm the first on the chopping block at my very part-time job if the minimum wage goes up, and I know it. I just keep on keeping on...

Posted by: pookysgirl, covered in paint and solvent yet again at February 25, 2021 11:26 AM (T1JWg)

122 There is no compelling substantive argument against colonies on the Sun.

Posted by: The Blind Leading the Turbo-Mongoloid Retarded at February 25, 2021 11:26 AM (MFIrZ)

123 There is one minimum wage and it is immovable, unvarying, ever constant. The minimum wage is zero.

We’re working on that.

Posted by: Negative Growth, Negative Interest Rates at February 25, 2021 11:26 AM (2lndx)

124 That means fewer entry-level summer jobs for high school kids. Been to California? That number is zero. There's no way for them to legally compete.
Posted by: t-bird at February 25, 2021 11:07 AM (ELgVT)
I don't know why we can't get a politician to explain that the minimum wage is like a kid's bike with training wheels. You have to start there, learn it, and then get off it for a better ride.
Posted by: Downcast at February 25, 2021 11:16 AM (mBZZZ)

@Downcast and CBD, T-Bird is correct. We remember in our youth working part-time minimum-wage jobs. That doesn't exist any more. They are all immigrants now, many of them illegal aliens who got a fake ID somewhere. Policy needs to be made understanding that there is a vast pool of low-skilled Spanish-speaking labor that crowds out the people who 40 years ago would have done those jobs. By the way, I'm all in favor of getting the single moms off welfare and into the workforce. But that can't happen either. Minimum wage is intended to benefit Hispanic immigrants, period. To everyone else (at least first-order), it is an irrelevant discussion.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at February 25, 2021 11:26 AM (BMmaB)

125 Chapter 1
And there I was, at my desk, ignoring the calls for help from my good friend Christopher in Benghazi...
Posted by: Hillary! at February 25, 2021 11:20 AM (7Fj9P)

Perfect illustration of how tone deaf that miserable cvnt is.

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at February 25, 2021 11:27 AM (y7DUB)

126 The piper's about to call in his due for taxes on that sweet sweet $600 per week fed unemployment boost. The howling will be epic.
Posted by: one of the quiet ones

Watch it get forgiven.
You can't get blood out of a turnip.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 25, 2021 11:27 AM (6oPFc)

127 Is "The Economic Literature" the financial equivalent of "The Science" when liberals are talking about fiscal policy?

Quite the QED catch-all phrase.

Posted by: red speck at February 25, 2021 11:27 AM (gS3OW)

128 35 USAF Chief of Staff Gen. Charlie Brown says we need a low cost fighter
since the JSF F-35 is so darn expensive -
https://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=110831

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 25, 2021 11:08 AM (ytRtA)

Yeah. Sure you do.

Posted by: F-20 Tigershark at February 25, 2021 11:27 AM (DTX3h)

129 To paraphrase Milton Friedman - Put politicians in charge of the sahara desert, and soon they'll be a shortage of sand.
I beg to differ. They're in charge of bullshit and we're awash in it.
I love how politicians who have no experience in the bidness world complain about how "capitalism doesn't work" when they're the ones issuing all the laws and regulations that have screwed up the works by strangling the economy. We'd be better off with monkeys fooking a football.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Psychos Rule! No, really. They're in charge now. at February 25, 2021 11:27 AM (HaL55)

130 There is no compelling substantive argument against colonies on the Sun.
Posted by: The Blind Leading the Turbo-Mongoloid Retarded at February 25, 2021 11:26 AM (MFIrZ)

You could run the air conditioners from solar panels!

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 25, 2021 11:27 AM (mzC78)

131 The left doesn't really care about minimum wage. Their constituency makes too much to worry about the minimum wage.

What does the left care about? Well, they are insane, so (unsurprisingly) they only care about literally insane things.

https://tinyurl.com/2pvzp3ha

Posted by: Huck Follywood, registered Independent at February 25, 2021 11:27 AM (03Hn+)

132 So-o-o-o, why do we need to import so many illiterate, unskilled workers when you're going to destroy the jobs they can do?
Posted by: naturalfake at February 25, 2021 11:26 AM

Dem votes, naturally!

Posted by: one of the quiet ones at February 25, 2021 11:28 AM (HeKhk)

133 USAF Chief of Staff Gen. Charlie Brown says we need a low cost fighter

since the JSF F-35 is so darn expensive.
As I've said before - they never should have stopped production of the F-22.

Posted by: Archer at February 25, 2021 11:16 AM

And the Navy just halted F/A-18 Super Hornet procurement to move that $$$$ over to the F-35 program because of soaring costs of that platform. Sometimes we are just plain stupid.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at February 25, 2021 11:28 AM (JUOKG)

134 Look for McAutomat in two years.

There's already a robot which can make hamburgers from scratch, to order, correctly.

Why trust a human when you can have a machine do it, algorithmically.

Posted by: DOMINION Food Systems at February 25, 2021 11:28 AM (ELgVT)

135 Posted by: F-20 Tigershark at February 25, 2021 11:27 AM (DTX3h)

Did anybody buy those things?

Posted by: BignJames at February 25, 2021 11:28 AM (AwYPR)

136 56 It amazes me that people as stupid as Chris Hayes can have risen as high as they have. Is he the son of a governor or something?
- -
I don't think he's hired for his brains, only that he can sound brainy as he regurgitates what his employer wants him to say.
Posted by: WitchDoktor, as if anyone GAF. Talking to myself until I talk to nobody. at February 25, 2021 11:12 AM

Have you seen our glasses?!?! They let everyone know we're brilliant, and they can trust what we say!

Posted by: Chris Hayes and Rachel Maddow at February 25, 2021 11:28 AM (3MG/9)

137 Quite the QED catch-all phrase.

Posted by: red speck at February 25, 2021 11:27 AM (gS3OW)

Go read some of the studies.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 25, 2021 11:29 AM (Q9lwr)

138 I'm enjoying Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene putting up a sign that says there are two genders after the loon across the hall put up a trans flag.

Posted by: WiNO - Now Fortified with Fraud at February 25, 2021 11:29 AM (3R13O)

139 This is definitely an RUFKM kind of day. Couple of days. When it's no longer a surprise that you're being gaslit, something is seriously wrong.

Posted by: Insomniac - Zhou Bai-Den Is Not My Chairman at February 25, 2021 11:29 AM (nakwk)

140 The City of Denton's utility were complete dumbasses for buying the electrical power at the crazy market price.
Should have had their own rolling blackouts.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at February 25, 2021 11:13 AM (ufFY

Yep! They were caught with their pants down. Its like they had a monkey that was just pushing a button to let the power continue. Whoever was in charge of electricity distribution needs to be gone. Hardly anyone in the city lost power for more than an hour during the whole hard freeze. Compared to my family that went 5 days with sparse electricity and no water.

Posted by: Mishdog at February 25, 2021 11:29 AM (cqAUI)

141 USAF Chief of Staff Gen. Charlie Brown says we need a low cost fighter

Something like Snoopy's doghouse.

Posted by: t-bird at February 25, 2021 11:29 AM (KfC1e)

142 The media is quite possibly the stupidest and most ignorant demographic in society. And, yet they influence how people think.

Posted by: Northern lurker at February 25, 2021 11:29 AM (lgiXo)

143 GameStop stock is on the rise again. It doubled yesterday and is trending up for today.

Mmmmmmm.

OK, old news but still fun to watch.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, as if anyone GAF. Talking to myself until I talk to nobody. at February 25, 2021 11:29 AM (Ve//x)

144 The Plastic Bug and Super Plastic Bug can both go to the scrappers also since the Hornet Mafia killed off funding for more F-14D Super Tomcats and A-6F Intruders.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 25, 2021 11:30 AM (ytRtA)

145 Why trust a human when you can have a machine do it, algorithmically.
Posted by: DOMINION Food Systems at February 25, 2021 11:28 AM (ELgVT)

88% of customers ordered the Filet o'rat!

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 25, 2021 11:30 AM (mzC78)

146 If people are struggling to find a job and then keep it in the face of competition by illiterate workers from the Sud, then the upper class doesn't have to worry much about them protesting or looking into voter discrepancies and politicians cover ups.

Posted by: jakee308 at February 25, 2021 11:30 AM (z96ye)

147 Low cost fighter?

You mean like the F-16?

Posted by: WitchDoktor, as if anyone GAF. Talking to myself until I talk to nobody. at February 25, 2021 11:30 AM (Ve//x)

148 The economy will tank before end of year. Then people will start to wake up. Finally.

Posted by: Ziba at February 25, 2021 11:30 AM (S1hrL)

149 You are missing the point of the $15 minimum wage increase.

It will crush small business. Mom and Pop places can't afford it, while big Companies will have the capital to weather the storm until prices stabilize.

Add the Covid closures? Small businesses are doomed.

This is EXACTLY what they did to the banking industry during the 2008 self created economic crises. They consolidated the banking industry to the point where there are now ONLY a few, too big to fail banks, that the Government has to deal with.

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 25, 2021 11:30 AM (oHd/0)

150 79 I don't know why we can't get a politician to explain that the minimum wage is like a kid's bike with training wheels. You have to start there, learn it, and then get off it for a better ride. It is not a choice to make for a lifetime. That tiny 4 wheeled vehicle cannot function as a family minivan. It was never intended to, and never will.
Posted by: Downcast at February 25, 2021 11:16 AM (mBZZZ)

Nice analogy.

Posted by: m at February 25, 2021 11:31 AM (ih55y)

151 No one bought a single F-20 because the USAF refused to buy any. It was a multi-billion dollar gamble by Northrop that failed because of that.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 25, 2021 11:31 AM (ytRtA)

152 So-o-o-o, why do we need to import so many illiterate, unskilled workers when you're going to destroy the jobs they can do?
Posted by: naturalfake at February 25, 2021 11:26 AM (dWwl

They don't want them to have jobs. They want a permanent, dependent underclass that serves as a reliable voting bloc.

Posted by: Insomniac - Zhou Bai-Den Is Not My Chairman at February 25, 2021 11:31 AM (nakwk)

153 Chris Hays is an ignorant boihole. The compelling argument against the so-called minimum wage is that the true minimum wage is ZERO.

Anything else is merely a voluntary agreement between 2 or more consenting adults.

And I have it on good authority that what goes on between consenting adults is none of the govt's business.

Assume the position, boihole!

Posted by: WiggleWiggleBangBang at February 25, 2021 11:31 AM (aeH5I)

154 The piper's about to call in his due for taxes on
that sweet sweet $600 per week fed unemployment boost. The howling will
be epic.

Posted by: one of the quiet ones

Watch it get forgiven.

You can't get blood out of a turnip.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 25, 2021 11:27 AM

One of our bartenders didn't have any taxes taken out of her unemployment payments. She just did her taxes and owes the IRS a little over $2,400. Lucky for her they automatically extended the filing/payment date to June for Texas because of the disaster.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at February 25, 2021 11:31 AM (JUOKG)

155 Quite the QED catch-all phrase.
Savory French toast??

Posted by: andycanuck with 27% more banner ad malware at February 25, 2021 11:31 AM (d6he9)

156
USAF Chief of Staff Gen. Charlie Brown says we need a low cost fighter

Lucy keeps pulling away the nuclear football.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 25, 2021 11:31 AM (63Dwl)

157 142 The media is quite possibly the stupidest and most ignorant demographic in society. And, yet they influence how people think.

They're not stupid or ignorant.. They know what they are doing

Posted by: It's me donna at February 25, 2021 11:31 AM (Zmnko)

158 Posted by: F-20 Tigershark at February 25, 2021 11:27 AM (DTX3h)

Did anybody buy those things?
Posted by: BignJames at February 25, 2021 11:28 AM (AwYPR)

It was supposed to be an export fighter. Guess it got nixed when Reagan allowed the F-16 for export.

Posted by: WiNO - Now Fortified with Fraud at February 25, 2021 11:31 AM (3R13O)

159 Chris Hayes is the fat lesbian on MSNBC.

Posted by: JuJuBee at February 25, 2021 11:31 AM (qaouf)

160 Politicians don't want a strong economy. They want a controlled economy. They want to be in control, they want goods and services provided by large companies that they can control.

They can't control small business. They can't control individuals. Power must be consolidated with them at the top.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 25, 2021 11:32 AM (V7LOe)

161 This is EXACTLY what they did to the banking industry during the 2008 self created economic crises. They consolidated the banking industry to the point where there are now ONLY a few, too big to fail banks, that the Government has to ~~deal with~~ collect donations from.

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 25, 2021 11:30 AM (oHd/0)

Posted by: The Lincoln Project at February 25, 2021 11:32 AM (1ISKN)

162 I rarely eat at McDonalds but the ones I enter have computerized kiosks for ordering.

Posted by: Northern lurker at February 25, 2021 11:32 AM (lgiXo)

163 When it comes to the IRS, why yes they can get blood out of a turnip. They will take the money out of any future tax returns you might get. (And, as an FYI, states take money convicts get for the commissary, if they owe back child support.)

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at February 25, 2021 11:32 AM (5HBd1)

164 138 I'm enjoying Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene putting up a sign that says there are two genders after the loon across the hall put up a trans flag.
Posted by: WiNO - Now Fortified with Fraud at February 25, 2021 11:29 AM (3R13O)

Yup, don't appollogize. Be Blunt, and to the point, and laugh at their stupidity.

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 25, 2021 11:33 AM (oHd/0)

165 @28 "The 15 buck minimum wage is to reward union allies whose labor contracts are often based on a premium above the minimum wage and to punish small business who are more Republican."

Spot on.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 25, 2021 11:33 AM (ZHVt1)

166 And who gives a shit that it is popular politically (whatever that means)?

Those who propose robbing Peter to pay Paul will get the overwhelming support of Paul.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 25, 2021 11:33 AM (yQpMk)

167 Genuinely don't understand why conservatives continue to argue against the minimum wage at this point.

To be blunt, gentlemen, we are in the terminal phase of the republic. Whether we get there slowly or swiftly is the question now; whichever way, the death of the republic is coming.

Why fight the minimum wage battle for corporate America? They love this fight.

Why argue against the low-level folk arguing that they make barely enough to live on? They are correct.

The existence of the minimum wage argument would make sense if we were not in a fiat currency regime that was printing to infinity. We are, in fact, in that regime, and so the argument is actually quite reasonable. As the dollar's purchasing power shrinks, you need ever more of it to buy jack fucking shit. This is not an argument that should be debated.

Let them have their fifteen an hour; hell, make it twenty-five. Will the economy suffer? Yes, but the conservative argument here is akin to a necromancer looking to revive a person that died of a wasting disease; they'll come back to life with the same problem they had before.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at February 25, 2021 11:33 AM (6JL3d)

168 French toast can't be savory unless it is slathered in nacho cheese.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 25, 2021 11:33 AM (V7LOe)

169 I totally KNOW this econ stuff.

I spent about an hour 50 or maybe 60 times at an Econolodge.

Posted by: Alexandra O'Crazy-Cortez, endorsed by the VP at February 25, 2021 11:33 AM (QzkSJ)

170 so they have no basis for their thoughts other than the talking points supplied by their handlers in the Democrat Party."

Progressive belief is not in any way indexed to reality; the entire thing is built around the concept that reality doesn't exist. People are getting distracted by lefty mouth noises when what they should be doing is making friendly gestures while reaching behind them for a rock.
Posted by: somedood at February 25, 2021 11:24 AM (yqVg3)

You can choose what sex you want to be and everyone else has to accommodate it. The sky is heating up and the oceans are boiling because you drive a gasoline car and eat meat. 15 days to flatten the curve. Children in cages are now magically in Biden shelters. A man overdosed on fentanyl, so we have months of riots after a white Hispanic killed Saint Skittles. Trump is a Russian agent. I could go on, but you get the point. They literally live in a world that only resembles reality.

I am afraid we are going to have some hard times when reality reasserts itself, as it is wont to do.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at February 25, 2021 11:34 AM (BMmaB)

171 There is no compelling substantive argument to listen to anything said or written by the creature Chris Hayes.

Posted by: Flyover at February 25, 2021 11:34 AM (Rbu5d)

172 The media is quite possibly the stupidest and most ignorant demographic in society.

Ahem.

Posted by: Teachers at February 25, 2021 11:34 AM (yQpMk)

173 Chris Hayes is one more example of my Gramma's favorite saying, "he isn't smart enough to be called stupid."
Posted by: irongrampa

Your Gramma is in auspicious company.

"That is not only not right, it is not even wrong." - Wolfgang Pauli, physicist

Posted by: mikeski at February 25, 2021 11:34 AM (P1f+c)

174 'Stop this child abuse now!': Washington high school band practice in anti-Covid TENTS gets ridiculed

A student band at a high school in Wenatchee, Washington was made to practice inside small, enclosed tents. Some ridiculed this protective measure against Covid-19 amid the reopening of schools across the US.

The Wenatchee High School children have been back at school since January 26, however with strict coronavirus measures in place.

Posted by: andycanuck with 27% more banner ad malware at February 25, 2021 11:35 AM (d6he9)

175 Posted by: Kinley Ardal at February 25, 2021 11:33 AM (6JL3d)

By the end of Biden's 1st term, $15 won't buy shit.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 25, 2021 11:35 AM (1ISKN)

176 171 There is no compelling substantive argument to listen to anything said or written by the creature Chris Hayes.

That's like trying to find meaning in a Paulie Shore movie

Posted by: It's me donna at February 25, 2021 11:35 AM (Zmnko)

177 Salesperson from work sent me an interesting email last night. I am really sure she is not a conservative. Yet she mentioned that we would probably not be able to hire more workers, that housing is unaffordable in the area and that she expects an economic collapse.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at February 25, 2021 11:35 AM (5HBd1)

178 172 The media is quite possibly the stupidest and most ignorant demographic in society.

Ahem.
Posted by: Teachers at February 25, 2021 11:34 AM (yQpMk)

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*tapping foot impatiently*
-Education Department Heads

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, paying for my sins on the Scorsese streets at February 25, 2021 11:35 AM (LvTSG)

179 The media is quite possibly the stupidest and most ignorant demographic in society. And, yet they influence how people think.
Posted by: Northern lurker at February 25, 2021 11:29 AM (lgiXo)

My wife, like Pavlov's retarded dog, watches those fucking monkeys every goddamn day so she can "find out what's going on in the world". You know what the only thing she ever comments on? Car crashes on snowy interstates. That's what information about the world they communicate. Even Tiger Woods was another fucking car wreck.

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at February 25, 2021 11:35 AM (y7DUB)

180 But I've been wondering how can someone make a living in a trade, not having a degree and keep up with the rise of inflation?
I and a few million other Americans was (were?) able to do it for a couple of decades right up until 1/1/94. Manufacturing was a great way to climb the ladder of success without a degree. My uncle retired as an engineer who worked his way up from the shop floor and I was doing the same thing. I went from sweeping up the shop to becoming a machinist, then a Toolmaker, to CNC operator to programmer to QC inspector mechanical designer to shop foreman. It took a while, but dumbass me was able to do it. Having a path up the ladder helped.
All of that was destroyed by our domestic enemies: progressives.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Psychos Rule! No, really. They're in charge now. at February 25, 2021 11:35 AM (HaL55)

181 Low cost fighter?

You mean like the F-16?
Posted by: WitchDoktor, as if anyone GAF. Talking to myself until I talk to nobody. at February 25, 2021 11:30 AM (Ve//x)

We couldn't do that. Not enough graft.

Really though, you want a fighter that is relatively cheap, you can produce a lot of, and has decent technology. The F-16 fits the bill. Your pilots can actually spend time flying.

Posted by: WiNO - Now Fortified with Fraud at February 25, 2021 11:36 AM (3R13O)

182 Just ask Chris Hayes what would happen if you were to set the minimum wage for talent on MSNBC to $250 million ?

Posted by: Lindsey Boylan at February 25, 2021 11:36 AM (3aI0K)

183 They're not stupid or ignorant.. They know what they are doing
Posted by: It's me donna at February 25, 2021 11:31 AM (Zmnko)

Yup. One of the biggest problems of The Right is the constant misunderstimating of the capabilities of The Left.

Posted by: Eat The Eloi at February 25, 2021 11:36 AM (RGRIY)

184
Why argue against the low-level folk arguing that they make barely enough to live on? They are correct.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at February 25, 2021 11:33 AM (6JL3d)

Chris Hayes isn't a minimum wage worker. The goal here is to put minimum-wage people on the dole, and it will succeed.

As far as politics goes, that fight is over. We're just chatting about stuff online.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is Already Dead at February 25, 2021 11:36 AM (Zm+LZ)

185 27 There is one minimum wage and it is immovable, unvarying, ever constant.

The minimum wage is zero.

If the cost of employing you exceeds the value of your work your employer will lower your wage to the minimum, zero.
Posted by: banana Dream at February 25, 2021 11:06 AM (DdpzZ)

The irrefutable truth.

Posted by: Flyover at February 25, 2021 11:36 AM (Rbu5d)

186 I'm fine with raising the minimum wage, which is really just the Young People's Employment Termination and Further Roboticization Act of 2021.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at February 25, 2021 11:36 AM (H5knJ)

187 Rephrased, if we were in a real money economy, a minimum wage would make no sense.

We are not in a real money economy. We are in one gigantic bloody lie propped up by megacorps and the parasitic sycophants that flock around them.

Don't be like Ben Fucking Shapiro and argue for a Sensible Conservative Cause that has no bearing on the reality of our world.

We're not a real-money constitutional republic.

We're a fiat money technocratic oligarchy.

To hell with the megacorps. Push policies that make them suffer and bring us closer to the reset. Nothing else makes sense.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at February 25, 2021 11:36 AM (6JL3d)

188 90, From what I remember, at the time, the Canadian dollar was about 75 cents on the US dollar and VAT taxes (which finance the welfare state in Canada) did not apply to exports. A lot of the motion picture and tv industry for example started productions in Canada due to cheaper wages when the exchange rate was involved.

Posted by: whig at February 25, 2021 11:37 AM (pO7gM)

189 177 Salesperson from work sent me an interesting email last night. I am really sure she is not a conservative. Yet she mentioned that we would probably not be able to hire more workers, that housing is unaffordable in the area and that she expects an economic collapse.
Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at February 25, 2021 11:35 AM (5HBd1)

==========

The minimum wage increase is an issue driven from the top, not the bottom.

It's a great opening for a political opposition, but we're surrounded by such opportunities and have been awash in them for years, but the chief political opposition party to the party pushing this shit doesn't want to get its hands dirty, just in case another corporate tax cut needs discussing.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, paying for my sins on the Scorsese streets at February 25, 2021 11:37 AM (LvTSG)

190 151 No one bought a single F-20 because the USAF refused to buy any. It was a multi-billion dollar gamble by Northrop that failed because of that.
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 25, 2021 11:31 AM (ytRtA)

Yup, too complicated and took WAY too much maintenance per flight hour.

Same as the F-35.

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 25, 2021 11:37 AM (oHd/0)

191 Re: Newsom recall.
IIRC, Arnold S won because a CA recall is decided by a plurality -- whoever gets the most votes. No runoff if no one gets a majority.

If he runs, Grennell can win in what's sure to be a crowded field

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 25, 2021 11:37 AM (ZHVt1)

192 Chris Hayes is one more example of my Gramma's favorite saying, "he isn't smart enough to be called stupid."
Posted by: irongrampa

He is disappointed he could not get a philosopher job after Brown, so craps on the world from a media position. I suspect his fave philosophers are Marx and Gramsci

Posted by: CN thinks Biden is greater than the Beatles IYKWIMAITYD at February 25, 2021 11:37 AM (ONvIw)

193 I totally KNOW this econ stuff.

I spent about an hour 50 or maybe 60 times at an Econolodge.

Posted by: Alexandra O'Crazy-Cortez, endorsed by the VP at February 25, 2021 11:33 AM (QzkSJ)

You were paid to leave.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at February 25, 2021 11:37 AM (OPPvB)

194 I'm assuming Mike Rowe's post on the minimum wage has been posted?

How about this, to the Chris Hayes' of the world: How the f*** are the millions and millions of unskilled, uneducated immigrants Biden has invited into our country, during a pandemic and soaring unemployment, going to get jobs? How will they make ends meet?

I'm guessing they will turn to crime. No minimum wage there -- not maximum, either. Hello cartels, hello organized crime, hello every horrid, abusive underworld money-making scheme imaginable.

With DefundPolice it will be even worse. . .

Posted by: Lizzy at February 25, 2021 11:38 AM (bDqIh)

195 I already have to check my own groceries. I can flip my own burger at home. I guess we'll have to start having roofing parties like old fashioned barn raisings.

Posted by: I M Simpleton at February 25, 2021 11:38 AM (jQBOW)

196 I'm fine with raising the minimum wage, which is really just the Young People's Employment Termination and Further Roboticization Act of 2021.

The left/billionaires want more young people out of work, because then they're available for BLM riots.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 25, 2021 11:38 AM (ZGrMX)

197 I'm guessing they will turn to crime. No minimum wage there -- not maximum, either. Hello cartels, hello organized crime, hello every horrid, abusive underworld money-making scheme imaginable.

With DefundPolice it will be even worse. . .
Posted by: Lizzy at February 25, 2021 11:38 AM (bDqIh)

They'll get welfare or get paid of the books like they do now.

Posted by: CN thinks Biden is greater than the Beatles IYKWIMAITYD at February 25, 2021 11:39 AM (ONvIw)

198 have we ever seen Chris Hayes and Rachel Maddow in the same room at the same time?

Posted by: jakee308 at February 25, 2021 11:39 AM (z96ye)

199 These clowns all look alike to me. Is Chris Hayes the one who looks like a thumb?

Posted by: Northern lurker at February 25, 2021 11:39 AM (lgiXo)

200 " Inflation and a decrease in entry-level employment are the two first-order effects. It's the second-order effects that get really nasty."

It makes illegal labor more attractive, encouraging women and children to take an unsafe journey where they are very likely to be sexually assaulted. Does Chris Hayes want children sexually assaulted? Because it sounds like Chris Hayes wants children to be sexually assaulted.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at February 25, 2021 11:39 AM (Wm5SB)

201 Kinley,
I would agree if for example, the minimum wage increase was configured to only hit megacorps but instead it will hit small businesses the worst at a time when many are struggling to survive the Covid collapse in the economy.

Posted by: whig at February 25, 2021 11:39 AM (pO7gM)

202 To hell with the megacorps. Push policies that make them suffer and bring us closer to the reset. Nothing else makes sense.

- -

Sure. I'm on board.

Minimum wages don't hurt megacorps though. If they need low cost low skill labor they have resources where they can offshore that labor into countries that don't care about such things as living standards.

Small businesses, on the other hand...can't.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, as if anyone GAF. Talking to myself until I talk to nobody. at February 25, 2021 11:39 AM (Ve//x)

203 I rarely eat at McDonalds but the ones I enter have computerized kiosks for ordering.

Posted by: Northern lurker at February 25, 2021 11:32 AM

They put them in the McDonald's here in rural NE Texas and two people lost their jobs. They left one cash register up front for people who refused to use those things but it was a good long wait before someone came up and took your order.

Now the inside stuff is closed and they said they have no plans to reopen it even though they are allowed to.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at February 25, 2021 11:39 AM (JUOKG)

204 Y'all notice how the big-box stores that had thus far resisted the self checkout concept all quietly installed them during the pandemic? Yeah, they're getting ready for this...

Posted by: CppThis at February 25, 2021 11:39 AM (zcf1k)

205 It's even pretty obvious to most sentient beings!

Sadly, there are very few of those, besides us.

Posted by: Democratic Socialists at February 25, 2021 11:40 AM (DMUuz)

206 I'm guessing they will turn to crime. No minimum wage there -- not maximum, either. Hello cartels, hello organized crime, hello every horrid, abusive underworld money-making scheme imaginable.

With DefundPolice it will be even worse. . .
Posted by: Lizzy at February 25, 2021 11:38 AM (bDqIh)

Don't live in cities. Get to high ground(figuratively).

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is Already Dead at February 25, 2021 11:40 AM (Zm+LZ)

207 The left/billionaires want more young people out of work, because then they're available for BLM riots.
Posted by: Ian S. at February 25, 2021 11:38 AM (ZGrMX)

Idle hands being tools of the devil has never been disproved.

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at February 25, 2021 11:40 AM (y7DUB)

208 104 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, paying for my sins on the Scorsese streets at February 25, 2021

For sure, the meta-argument consideration that needs to be addressed first is if they are actually arguing or just pursuing political ends through other/verbal means.

We should also be able to argue with the facts.

But we should not mistake the conflict we're in, which I think most of our pundits do perpetually. Opine and show the hypocrisy or the absurdity of their claims ("emotional labor" haha) of the other side, etc. It's like mocking a weapon for its name while it's destroying your men.

Posted by: .87c at February 25, 2021 11:40 AM (f2/Ik)

209 111 what they should be doing is making friendly gestures while reaching behind them for a rock
Posted by: somedood at February 25, 2021 11:24 AM (yqVg3)

heh
LOL

Posted by: m at February 25, 2021 11:40 AM (ih55y)

210 These clowns all look alike to me. Is Chris Hayes the one who looks like a thumb?
Posted by: Northern lurker at February 25, 2021 11:39 AM

No, that's Cuomo.

/either of them

Posted by: one of the quiet ones at February 25, 2021 11:40 AM (HeKhk)

211 JTS M12AK 12 GA 18" SEMI-AUTO SHOTGUN; $500; https://bit.ly/3dGmm7g

Posted by: bonhomme at February 25, 2021 11:40 AM (YYlyE)

212 There's been talk of indexing the minimum wage to inflation. If it's also set above the equilibrium point...
- Posted by: Red Turban Someguy

Indexing wages to inflation is the economic equivalent of directly connecting your car's accelerator to the speedometer. The result will be a car wrapping itself around a pole at 110 mph.

Posted by: MW at February 25, 2021 11:40 AM (gWtVa)

213 >>They'll get welfare or get paid of the books like they do now.

Increasing our near slave labor-level class of nannies, gardeners, sex-workers, etc.

Lovely.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 25, 2021 11:41 AM (bDqIh)

214 Regarding minimum wage:
I'm getting tired of arguing with people who think jumping off a cliff is good for them.

I've gotten to the point where I'd just like to see these people get what they voted for, good and hard.

You want to kill your opportunity and make yourself part of a more permanent underclass? Have at it.

Posted by: Jay at February 25, 2021 11:41 AM (wwKHQ)

215 #194 Yes, Lizzy, someone in the morning thread (not art I think) cut and pasted Hayes' b.s. tweet as did the monkey man, above.

Posted by: andycanuck with 27% more banner ad malware at February 25, 2021 11:42 AM (d6he9)

216 And the Navy just halted F/A-18 Super Hornet procurement to move that $$$$ over to the F-35 program because of soaring costs of that platform. Sometimes we are just plain stupid.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at February 25, 2021 11:28 AM (JUOKG)

This why the Army fought so hard to make the USAF keep the A-10. These new wonder planes won't be used for CAS because the USAF can't afford to lose $100+ million plane saving the gravel agitators.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado - Tempus belli) at February 25, 2021 11:42 AM (N3El/)

217 I always confuse Chris Hayes with the guy who's Jonah Goldberg's partner in that newsletter thingy.

Posted by: Northern lurker at February 25, 2021 11:42 AM (lgiXo)

218
Increasing our near slave labor-level class of nannies, gardeners, sex-workers, etc.

Lovely.
Posted by: Lizzy at February 25, 2021 11:41 AM (bDqIh

The idea that e-verify will prevent this is stupid as Mitt

Posted by: CN thinks Biden is greater than the Beatles IYKWIMAITYD at February 25, 2021 11:42 AM (ONvIw)

219 Let them have their minimum wage.. The demise of America will come sooner.. It's inevitable anyway

Posted by: It's me donna at February 25, 2021 11:42 AM (Zmnko)

220 The left/billionaires want more young people out of work, because then they're available for BLM riots.

I'm fine with that too. It's not like our society cannot stop riots cold. It's chosen not too. The only way things get better in this country is if they get a lot worse first. So I'm for the worse.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at February 25, 2021 11:42 AM (H5knJ)

221 But I've been wondering how can someone make a living in a trade, not having a degree and keep up with the rise of inflation?

Posted by: Blanco at February 25, 2021 11:21 AM (BZQgK)

It can only happen if we stop looking at the economy as an endpoint instead of a tool. What should the economy do for our society? What do we want? Do we want one income homes that can support a family of five (2 parents, 3 kids), provide a small home (three bedroom, one bath), healthcare, and two weeks of vacation? Let's say for 70% of the population?

Posted by: WiNO - Now Fortified with Fraud at February 25, 2021 11:42 AM (3R13O)

222 I always confuse Chris Hayes with the guy who's Jonah Goldberg's partner in that newsletter thingy.

--

I just think of them as Doofus #1 and Doofus #2.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, as if anyone GAF. Talking to myself until I talk to nobody. at February 25, 2021 11:43 AM (Ve//x)

223 Who cares about minimum wagers?

Unpaid internships!

Mummy and Frank and Daddy (I hate him) and Miranda (whore) all say they will give me money to go to New York and stay there!

Posted by: Paulina from Palos Verdes at February 25, 2021 11:43 AM (QzkSJ)

224 And Biden is getting ready to bail out all of the Dem war zone cities too.

Posted by: andycanuck with 27% more banner ad malware at February 25, 2021 11:43 AM (d6he9)

225 224 And Biden is getting ready to bail out all of the Dem war zone cities too.
Posted by: andycanuck with 27% more banner ad malware at February 25, 2021 11:43 AM (d6he9)

==========

Well, it's not like the money's going to go to the rebuilding of the cities, or anything.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, paying for my sins on the Scorsese streets at February 25, 2021 11:44 AM (LvTSG)

226 Democrats raise minimum wage, young people praise democrats for raising minimum wage, business stops hiring young people, young people get mad about lack of jobs, democrats blame businesses for not hiring, democrats propose regulations to "create jobs" for young people, young people vote for democrats.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 25, 2021 11:44 AM (V7LOe)

227 Increasing our near slave labor-level class of nannies, gardeners, sex-workers, etc.

Lovely.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 25, 2021 11:41 AM

They ain't slave labor around here. The illegals at least around here at banding together and forming what amounts to unions. They set the pay they will work for and they don't negotiate. They also punish the illegals that try to go out on their own. It's the mexican mafia and it's making prices sky rocket for landscaping, concrete work and other labor intensive outside stuff. I see more and more white people doing those jobs lately.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at February 25, 2021 11:45 AM (JUOKG)

228 >>The idea that e-verify will prevent this is stupid as Mitt

*resists temtation to go all CAPSLOCKS*

E-verify won't do shitafter Biden makes them citizens with the stroke of a pen to his great Amnesty EO!!!!

Can DC and pundits please, please, please stop viewing each issue as if it's a standalone thing that never impacts, nor is impacted by, any of their other policy decisions?

Posted by: Lizzy at February 25, 2021 11:45 AM (bDqIh)

229 Let them have their minimum wage.. The demise of America will come sooner.. It's inevitable anyway

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Yep. This is where I'm at. Let's get it over with.

Posted by: Lady in Black - GODSPEED Rush Limbaugh at February 25, 2021 11:45 AM (O+I8R)

230 Who cares about minimum wagers?

Posted by: Paulina from Palos Verdes at February 25, 2021 11:43 AM (QzkSJ)

Smaht people...the ones that think $1400 will carry you for a year.....the $1400 instead of $2000 we haven't gotten yet.

Posted by: BignJames at February 25, 2021 11:46 AM (AwYPR)

231 Plumber. Electrician. Welder. Mechanic.
Posted by: rickb223

Most of those still are under or right at the average cost of living..

And as inflation hits, most of those wages will stay the same..

They won't keep up with the rise that is sweeping everything else.

Posted by: Blanco at February 25, 2021 11:46 AM (BZQgK)

232 >>It's the mexican mafia and it's making prices sky rocket for landscaping, concrete work and other labor intensive outside stuff. I see more and more white people doing those jobs lately.

Wow. Had no idea.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 25, 2021 11:46 AM (bDqIh)

233 HAHAHAHAHA Bill Nye the who gives a shit, Disney is taking 80% of the revenue from his old show because THEY say it falls under Home Video deal

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at February 25, 2021 11:46 AM (dKiJG)

234 Taiwan's F-16Vs will have the APG-83 radar which is electronically steerable, a glass cockpit, and conformal tanks to extend the range. And will have an engine, either the F-110 or F-100, with at least 29,000lbs thrust in afterburner.

But the USAF doesn't want to buy any new build F-16s. They want shiny shiny.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 25, 2021 11:46 AM (ytRtA)

235 Can DC and pundits please, please, please stop viewing each issue as if it's a standalone thing that never impacts, nor is impacted by, any of their other policy decisions?
Posted by: Lizzy at February 25, 2021 11:45 AM (bDqIh)

No. It's out of our hands. Do what you can to prepare on a personal level and reduce the resources of the federal government.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is Already Dead at February 25, 2021 11:47 AM (Zm+LZ)

236 145 Why trust a human when you can have a machine do it, algorithmically.
Posted by: DOMINION Food Systems at February 25, 2021 11:28 AM (ELgVT)

88% of customers ordered the Filet o'rat!
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 25, 2021 11:30 AM (mzC7

Ewwwwww.

Posted by: m at February 25, 2021 11:47 AM (ih55y)

237 To be clear, raising the minimum wage isn't the creative destruction to which Schumpeter referred. It's simply destruction via artificial market distortion. All minimum wage laws distort the market, but an increase to $15/hr in low-cost, low-wage states is ridiculous.

Posted by: Grim at February 25, 2021 11:47 AM (J7LH0)

238 To be clear, raising the minimum wage isn't the creative destruction to which Schumpeter referred.

It is closer to the Broken Glass Fallacy.

Posted by: Miklos Bastiat at February 25, 2021 11:49 AM (QzkSJ)

239 Rush had excellent retorts against the concept of minimum wage, same as his friend Walter Williams.

Unfortunately............

Posted by: Justsayin' at February 25, 2021 11:49 AM (Fs5vw)

240 Y'all notice how the big-box stores that had thus far resisted the self checkout concept all quietly installed them during the pandemic? Yeah, they're getting ready for this...
Posted by: CppThis

Wal Mart by me went from 6 self check outs to a 35 bay self checkout area with three "watchers".

Posted by: rickb223 at February 25, 2021 11:49 AM (6oPFc)

241
By the end of Biden's 1st term, $15 won't buy shit.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe

There is no inflation and interest rates will go below zero. At least that's what I've been told.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 25, 2021 11:49 AM (63Dwl)

242 230 Who cares about minimum wagers?

Posted by: Paulina from Palos Verdes at February 25, 2021 11:43 AM (QzkSJ)

Smaht people...the ones that think $1400 will carry you for a year.....the $1400 instead of $2000 we haven't gotten yet.

Posted by: BignJames at February 25, 2021 11:46 AM (AwYPR)

But hey -- federal workers are slated to get $1400/week if they have to stay home if their kids aren't back to school. Eligible up to $21k.
But hey, we can enjoy the $1400 stimmie checks.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at February 25, 2021 11:49 AM (N39Ws)

243 Sit at home, order from Amazon. Automated checkout, automated order filling, Human arranges in box, tapes shut, automated shipping, Human throws on your front porch.

I am sure Amazon is working on the human putting in a box part.

Lower land use, less driving. Just what the left wants.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 25, 2021 11:50 AM (V7LOe)

244 I'm not 29 like the rest of the Horde. Apparently much younger. Yet it seems we've had this same stupid argument multiple times. The same stupid NPC responses are said by the left every time. They don't learn. They just repeat the lines they've been brainwashed/programmed into repeating.

Posted by: Spiff The Spaceman at February 25, 2021 11:50 AM (lfSFb)

245 So again...

If this gets traction, max out your debt.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, as if anyone GAF. Talking to myself until I talk to nobody. at February 25, 2021 11:50 AM (Ve//x)

246 I'll take Thomas Sowell over Chris Hayes for a million, Alex.

Posted by: Tree of Liberty Landscaping at February 25, 2021 11:51 AM (DB16e)

247 Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 25, 2021 11:50 AM (V7LOe)

Forgot the last part...

Where another human comes along and steals it from the porch.

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 25, 2021 11:51 AM (oHd/0)

248 Democrats raise minimum wage, young people praise
democrats for raising minimum wage, business stops hiring young people,
young people get mad about lack of jobs, democrats blame businesses for
not hiring, democrats propose regulations to "create jobs" for young
people, young people vote for democrats.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 25, 2021 11:44 AM

We are literally going to go back to the 70s and 80s if this passes. Stagflation unemployment over 10% and interest rates 12-15% even though the Fed has said they will keep the prime rate at effectively 0%.

It will not end well but at this point the system is going to crash. It's no longer a matter of if the system will crash, it's now just a matter of when it will crash and how hard will the landing be. And lucky me I get to enjoy Medicare next year just as the rationing really starts up.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at February 25, 2021 11:51 AM (JUOKG)

249 I thought popular politically meant something was evil "populism".

Oh that's only when it's not a lefty idea. And by the way how *popular* are we talking? Democrats like it?

Posted by: ... at February 25, 2021 11:51 AM (uEbPt)

250 Being as fair minded as I can be, I'm wondering if the left has ever solved a single problem in American history. More jobs than workers is obviously the only possible solution to low wages. Somehow, the left lacks basic common sense and thinks that can be mandated. It is the weirdest damn thing.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, registered Independent at February 25, 2021 11:52 AM (03Hn+)

251 Maybe it's a peace strategy. If each fighter plane costs as much as a battleship used to, so each country has 25-50 of them, no one will ever risk losing one so no one will ever make a warlike move. Just insult each other on Twitter

Posted by: azjaeger at February 25, 2021 11:52 AM (3/XaG)

252 The problem with the idea of forcing it to burn faster versus recognizing it will burn (passive) is that essentially when the break down occurs, people simply will not have been educated enough as to what caused it to avoid repeating it.

A slower process of it will burn educates more people in a way that media never can about the dismal science of economics. I also regard it unwise to eliminate small business as a class versus megacorp--so I would apply high minimum wage for megacorps and lower for businesses that employ less than 100 people for example. The megacorps share the pain with the public regarding price increases, declines in stock price growth, etc.

The small businesses generally allocate all of the pain from increased labor costs to the owner either by reducing their self pay of profits or causing them to shrink/and or go out of business.

Posted by: whig at February 25, 2021 11:52 AM (pO7gM)

253 They want shiny shiny.

They argue that if they don't keep funneling money to defense contractors via new purchases and new equipment development, those companies might go out of business, and we won't have premium defense contractors to develop weapons when we need them. It is a circular rat fuck.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 25, 2021 11:52 AM (V7LOe)

254 The idea is to extend "public education" into young people's 20s and maybe beyond. Entry level jobs put some negative pressure on the demand for college. I worked to pay for college, but that's not the norm I think.

Our master's dream is for every person to have about 25 years under constant indoctrination. Never experiencing the real word, just the academic facad provided by universities. Raise millions of Bernie Sanders.

So the plan is raising minimum wage to kill off employment to drive kids to college with unpaid "debt" to indoctrination centers which will eventually be "forgiven"/paid for by us until the system breaks down and all that is left is them and all their little bernies.

Posted by: banana Dream at February 25, 2021 11:53 AM (DdpzZ)

255 Sit at home, order from Amazon. Automated checkout, automated order filling, Human arranges in box, tapes shut, automated shipping, Human throws on your front porch.

I am sure Amazon is working on the human putting in a box part.

Lower land use, less driving. Just what the left wants.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy

Drone delivery, aka, skeet shooting with prizes.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 25, 2021 11:53 AM (6oPFc)

256 Something like "Socialists will tax something until it stops moving, once it stops they will start to subsidize it."
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 25, 2021 11:17 AM (ytRtA)

"If it moves tax it. If it stops moving subsidize it. If it keeps moving regulate it."

Posted by: ... at February 25, 2021 11:54 AM (uEbPt)

257 28 The Democrats rely on punishing their enemies through regulation and
taxation while rewarding their affiliated groups. DJT did that to some
extent with the SALT deduction repeal which hit blue states harder than
red states.

Posted by: whig at February 25, 2021 11:07 AM (pO7gM)

So much for taxing the rich.

Posted by: Javems at February 25, 2021 11:54 AM (SWrii)

258 I'm wondering if the left has ever solved a single problem in American history.

They have solved the problem of "How do I increase my power over people and enrich myself at the same time"

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 25, 2021 11:54 AM (V7LOe)

259 Wal Mart by me went from 6 self check outs to a 35 bay self checkout area with three "watchers".

Posted by: rickb223 at February 25, 2021 11:49 AM

The Walmart here has one human checkout line and their is always a line for it. They have 10 self check outs with two people watching them, plus a lady at the door randomly checking on people who used the self check outs. When we moved here 5 years ago the self check outs did not exist.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at February 25, 2021 11:54 AM (JUOKG)

260 CAT

The JSF is a perfect example. The ones who got into the project in the early stages are now retired and/or dead since it took almost 30 years for the F-35 to reach FMC.

The JSF is a jobs program that just happens to produce airplanes. Just like the Eurofighter Typhoon.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 25, 2021 11:55 AM (ytRtA)

261 248 Mister Scott, you won't see interest rates spike at banks with ZIRP, what you will see is increasingly that banks will not loan any money at all because of risks to repayment.

Essentially, economic problems generated by stupid and evil economic policies cause a capital strike. Neither banks, nor potential borrowers will do much of anything except conserve capital.

Posted by: whig at February 25, 2021 11:55 AM (pO7gM)

262 OrangeMan Bad!!!

Posted by: NPC_00100111 at February 25, 2021 11:55 AM (DMUuz)

263 I'm a dummy, but I did find out that there is a FACAD. It is a CAD tool for adapting orthodontia to 3D facial constructions.

Posted by: banana Dream at February 25, 2021 11:55 AM (DdpzZ)

264 262 OrangeMan Bad!!!
Posted by: NPC_00100111 at February 25, 2021 11:55 AM (DMUuz)

========

Still causing all your problems, huh?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, paying for my sins on the Scorsese streets at February 25, 2021 11:56 AM (LvTSG)

265 Raising or lowering the minimum wage will have zero effect on inflation. The two have nothing to do with each other. You may be thinking of the Phillips curve which was (thoroughly) debunked under Reagan.

Posted by: Earl Schlobodowicz at February 25, 2021 11:56 AM (P7Iz+)

266 194 I'm assuming Mike Rowe's post on the minimum wage has been posted?

Posted by: Lizzy at February 25, 2021 11:38 AM (bDqIh)

no

Posted by: m at February 25, 2021 11:56 AM (ih55y)

267 216 This why the Army fought so hard to make the USAF keep the A-10. These new wonder planes won't be used for CAS because the USAF can't afford to lose $100+ million plane saving the gravel agitators.
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado - Tempus belli) at February 25, 2021 11:42 AM (N3El/)

There's a magnificent video floating around the interwebs of John McCain pwning some DoD bureaucrat over their proposal to use the B-1B for CAS until the mighty wonderplane can take over. Say what you will about his political record, but he did have the benefit of being an actual combat pilot for whom such roles are more than just bullet points on a PowerPoint slide and on that particular day was absolutely the right guy for the job.

Posted by: CppThis at February 25, 2021 11:56 AM (zcf1k)

268 "But eventually it will reset, when inflation rises and the buying power of the minimum wage reaches equilibrium."

That won't happen. That's what price controls are for!

Posted by: Ripley at February 25, 2021 11:56 AM (MxEKc)

269 258 I'm wondering if the left has ever solved a single problem in American history.

They have solved the problem of "How do I increase my power over people and enrich myself at the same time"
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 25, 2021 11:54 AM (V7LOe)

They're really good at manipulation in republics. They don't have a whole lot of experience in post-republics though, so I wouldn't be surprised to see most of them whacked by a new cunning party member.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is Already Dead at February 25, 2021 11:56 AM (Zm+LZ)

270 Let's all try to remember that this is the same crowd of super geniuses that brought us Cash for Clunkers.

They literally thought the way to create more wealth was to destroy things that have value. On purpose.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at February 25, 2021 11:56 AM (Wm5SB)

271 And people are dumb. When I was a kid, min wage was 3.10 and a burger was .30...now they want it to be 15 and a burger is 1.50. "Oh look! I make so much more money now!!" And the burger doesn't taste anywhere as good.

Posted by: azjaeger at February 25, 2021 11:57 AM (3/XaG)

272 The JSF is a jobs program that just happens to produce airplanes.

And, like the C-17, they spread production to as many congressional districts as possible. Try to cut production, and 70% of congress critters get angry phone calls from constituents about losing jerbs.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 25, 2021 11:57 AM (V7LOe)

273 260 CAT

The JSF is a perfect example. The ones who got into the project in the early stages are now retired and/or dead since it took almost 30 years for the F-35 to reach FMC.

The JSF is a jobs program that just happens to produce airplanes. Just like the Eurofighter Typhoon.
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 25, 2021 11:55 AM (ytRtA)
*****************
What am I, chopped liver?

Posted by: Electric Boat at February 25, 2021 11:57 AM (fbHXO)

274 They want shiny shiny.

They argue that if they don't keep funneling money to defense
contractors via new purchases and new equipment development, those
companies might go out of business, and we won't have premium defense
contractors to develop weapons when we need them. It is a circular rat
fuck.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 25, 2021 11:52 AM

There is some truth to that. There are literally only two companies left that can build Nuclear ships for the Navy.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at February 25, 2021 11:57 AM (JUOKG)

275 265 Raising or lowering the minimum wage will have zero effect on inflation. The two have nothing to do with each other. You may be thinking of the Phillips curve which was (thoroughly) debunked under Reagan.
Posted by: Earl Schlobodowicz at February 25, 2021 11:56 AM (P7Iz+)

Leftists are so stupid. Yes, minimum wage has an effect on inflation. It reduces the supply of labor, reducing supply more generally.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is Already Dead at February 25, 2021 11:58 AM (Zm+LZ)

276 Where another human comes along and steals it from the porch.
Posted by: Romeo13 at February 25, 2021 11:51 AM (oHd/0)

Right there is a new consumer need. How to (legally) fulfil it is the big question, but I'm sure it's being worked on by people without youtube channels.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at February 25, 2021 11:58 AM (46GDR)

277 After posting prayer request on yesterday's rant, I didn't get back to the thread until late.

Thanks to commenters replying, BackwardsBoy, Carmenzoid, vmom, grammie winger, Ladyl, Count de Monet, Notsothoreau, Moki, AmericanKestrel, and any I missed.

The Horde Mind is often amusing, but the Horde Spirit is truly impressive.

Posted by: mindful webworker at February 25, 2021 11:58 AM (mf0wg)

278 Back when I owned a small retail business, people would come in and ask if I was hiring. I always told them "no", that the government made it too expensive for me to hire any one. Then I would go through, one by one, the government mandates that made even a single employee impossible. Thank heavens for friends and terrific customers who volunteered when I needed to go out of time or vacation at the hospital.

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- Bitterly clinging to the deplorable life at February 25, 2021 11:58 AM (NL33G)

279 If each fighter plane costs as much as a battleship used to, so each country has 25-50 of them, no one will ever risk losing one so no one will ever make a warlike move. Just insult each other on Twitter
Posted by: azjaeger

Ah

The old "Tweet-in-Being" strategy.

Posted by: Admiral Miklos at February 25, 2021 11:59 AM (QzkSJ)

280 Let's all try to remember that this is the same crowd of super geniuses that brought us Cash for Clunkers.

They literally thought the way to create more wealth was to destroy things that have value. On purpose.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at February 25, 2021 11:56 AM

And they literally destroyed the used car market that poor people rely upon for a decade when that law got passed. Even if they were making $15 an hour they couldn't find a car they could buy.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at February 25, 2021 12:00 PM (JUOKG)

281 >>no

OK, Mike Rowe talks sense about minimum wage:

https://mikerowe.com/2015/02/ofw-minimum-wage/

Posted by: Lizzy at February 25, 2021 12:00 PM (bDqIh)

282 Or we could pay people what their worth.

But the Dem base won't work that cheap.

Posted by: Ripley at February 25, 2021 12:00 PM (MxEKc)

283 There is some truth to that. There are literally only two companies left that can build Nuclear ships for the Navy.
Posted by: Mister Scott

Well, we could build them for the Chinese!

Posted by: Millennial Miklos, Senior Biden Advisor at February 25, 2021 12:00 PM (QzkSJ)

284 272 The JSF is a jobs program that just happens to produce airplanes.

And, like the C-17, they spread production to as many congressional districts as possible. Try to cut production, and 70% of congress critters get angry phone calls from constituents about losing jerbs.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 25, 2021 11:57 AM (V7LOe)
***************
Thousands upon thousands jobs lost because of JUST killing Keystone. They don't give a schiff about killing union jobs.

Stand by for the next leg down in surrender to Chi nah.

Disarmament.

Posted by: torabora at February 25, 2021 12:01 PM (fbHXO)

285 Does the left still hate Walmart or they now one of those corporations they work with?

Posted by: Northern lurker at February 25, 2021 12:01 PM (lgiXo)

286 The argument against the minimum wage , IMO, is that labor costs in addition to product costs cannot exceed the price willing to be paid for said item or service.

Entry level positions for entry level products require labor to be as cheap as possible within the above framework. You have to hire people that match the skills needed to perform said service or produce said product. By demanding an artificially set wage instead of a market driven wage, you also take away incentive for entry level workers to learn skills, upgrade abilities etc. Why should they when doing so doesn't matter, as their wage is already set at a level in which the pay cannot afford to increase.

Posted by: Jen the original at February 25, 2021 12:01 PM (seiUU)

287 257, Javem,
The fabulously rich do not care about income tax rates--they can easily do as Bill Gates did and put his wealth in a tax free foundation which acts as his piggy bank. In the days of 90 percent income tax, the corporations owned the homes, cars, etc. and provided those as a tax deductible expense to CEO's etc.

To get at the truly wealthy, you would have to apply a wealth tax of some sort or transaction taxes that would hit only the wealthy. Of course as soon as you did that, the wealthy would be developing loopholes by compliant government officials, fleeing abroad with their wealth, etc.

The US taxing policy of 1945 to 1960's was designed to pay off the war debt but became more or more detached from economic realities. It only worked because of the US towering over other devastated economic competitors from WWII. When they recovered, we got the Johnson, Nixon, Ford, and Carter economy.

Posted by: whig at February 25, 2021 12:01 PM (pO7gM)

288 Oil from Keystone to be diverted to Chi nah.
yes Canada surrendered too.

Posted by: torabora at February 25, 2021 12:02 PM (fbHXO)

289 Yeah...Cash for Clunkers screwed me over when I needed a cheap car in the early 2010s, because the cheapest thing you could find was $12k fleet cars.

Posted by: CppThis at February 25, 2021 12:02 PM (zcf1k)

290 It's occurred to me before that while eating out is way more expensive than cooking for yourself, it's also way cheaper than it should be because the restaurant industry is HEAVILY subsidized by illegal labor. If illegal labor goes away, so does any chance of eating at a restaurant for most Americans.

I will also note that I don't think it actually is that hard for a healthy (i.e., no special needs, disabilities, or chronic health conditions) family of four to live within one salary, provided they are willing to drive old cars, do their own cooking, and live in a modest home. We're actually managing it right now even with multiple disabilities and chronic health conditions. But if you have to have the latest electronics and the newest cars and the biggest house and eat out all the time and and and...

Posted by: Mrs. Peel - Texas Morons, Support HB 1359 at February 25, 2021 12:02 PM (G6Lqs)

291 270 Let's all try to remember that this is the same crowd of super geniuses that brought us Cash for Clunkers.

They literally thought the way to create more wealth was to destroy things that have value. On purpose.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at February 25, 2021 11:56 AM (Wm5SB)

It's broken window fallacy all the way down.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is Already Dead at February 25, 2021 12:02 PM (Zm+LZ)

292 It's broken window fallacy all the way down.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy

And Turtles

Posted by: Unconcerned Mitch at February 25, 2021 12:03 PM (QzkSJ)

293 The relationship between an increase in the minimum wage and a decrease in entry-level jobs has been studied and studied and studied, and guess what? It exists.

And besides, which it is obvious, as you point out.

Now compare that with the other "studies" the Reds cite in support of their nonsense (e.g., homosexual "marriage," transgendering children, etc.). They are invariably deeply flawed, perpetrated by obviously biased "researchers," and fly in the face of everyday observation.

In short, those "studies" richly deserve to be ignored, if not deprecated. But the Reds take even the flimsiest of them as Holy Writ.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 25, 2021 12:03 PM (YqDXo)

294 Another factor in $15 national standard, is some areas have double the cost of living of other places. This (at least to some degree) relates to the profitability of small business in those areas -- less affluent areas don't have the same cash flow or the same margins. And they are not necessarily "economically depressed" areas, but a $15/hr minimum is more likely to drive them toward a slower economy.

Posted by: illiniwek at February 25, 2021 12:03 PM (Cus5s)

295 Lady gaga is offering a $500,000 reward for the return of her dogs. Nothing about finding the people that shot they guy walking the dogs though.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at February 25, 2021 12:04 PM (JUOKG)

296 270 Let's all try to remember that this is the same crowd of super geniuses that brought us Cash for Clunkers.

I thought that that was a DNC campaign to fund Democrat politicians.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 25, 2021 12:04 PM (YqDXo)

297 > people simply will not have been educated enough as to what caused it to avoid repeating it.

whig

Not educated enough = more than 10 miles from where I live.
(h/t BSG, I think)

Posted by: old chick at February 25, 2021 12:05 PM (sOete)

298 But if you have to have the latest electronics and the newest cars and the biggest house and eat out all the time and and and...
Posted by: Mrs. Peel - Texas

One wonders if UberEats drivers can afford to order from UberEats

Posted by: Miklos, recalling an apocryphal comment from Henry Ford at February 25, 2021 12:05 PM (QzkSJ)

299 In a new paper published in the International Journal of Global Warming, Carnegie Mellon University's David Rode and Paul Fischbeck argue that making such forecasts can be counterproductive. "Truly apocalyptic forecasts can only ever be observed in their failure - that is the world did not end as predicted," says Rode, adjunct research faculty with the Carnegie Mellon Electricity Industry Center, "and observing a string of repeated apocalyptic forecast failures can undermine the public's trust in the underlying science."

Posted by: Lindsey Boylan at February 25, 2021 12:05 PM (3aI0K)

300 #93
Rome

Yes slavery was ubiqitous.
But half of Rome citizens were freed slaves.

Life was short. Half dead by 25years old. You could work for your freedom by generally just getting along with your people.

Posted by: torabora at February 25, 2021 12:05 PM (fbHXO)

301 It's almost as if they have no clue.

Posted by: Count de Monet in exile at his Fortress of Solitude at February 25, 2021 12:06 PM (4I/2K)

302 299 In a new paper published in the International Journal of Global Warming, Carnegie Mellon University's David Rode and Paul Fischbeck argue that making such forecasts can be counterproductive. "Truly apocalyptic forecasts can only ever be observed in their failure - that is the world did not end as predicted," says Rode, adjunct research faculty with the Carnegie Mellon Electricity Industry Center, "and observing a string of repeated apocalyptic forecast failures can undermine the public's trust in the underlying science."
Posted by: Lindsey Boylan at February 25, 2021 12:05 PM (3aI0K)

=========

Well, it just took them 50 years to figure that out.

No one will listen, though. Fear sells papers.

Don't be afraid. Be brave.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, paying for my sins on the Scorsese streets at February 25, 2021 12:06 PM (LvTSG)

303 Automation creates more jobs for Silicon Valley and China, they main constituents of the demonrat party.

Posted by: Loki at February 25, 2021 12:06 PM (KqiMr)

304 nood

musk

Posted by: banana Dream at February 25, 2021 12:07 PM (DdpzZ)

305 Let's all try to remember that this is the same crowd of super geniuses that brought us Cash for Clunkers.

They literally thought the way to create more wealth was to destroy things that have value. On purpose.

We understand your skepticism, but it worked out pretty well, from a wealth standpoint.

Posted by: Eight of the Ten Wealthiest Counties Are in DC Area at February 25, 2021 12:07 PM (JioHo)

306 In short, those "studies" richly deserve to be ignored, if not deprecated. But the Reds take even the flimsiest of them as Holy Writ.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

Clearly, more funding is required.

Posted by: Miklos, Got yer "study" right here at February 25, 2021 12:07 PM (QzkSJ)

307 Raising the minimum wage isn't Schumpeterian 'creative destruction', it's the government smashing windows a la Bastiat's parable.

Posted by: aelfheld at February 25, 2021 12:08 PM (Zy9Yy)

308 297 Credentialism and indoctrination is not education. A real education usually only comes about through experience, not the classroom. A few can vicariously learn through other's experiences to avoid the flames but most are educated most sincerely by the hard hand of personal experience whacking them on the butt.

Posted by: whig at February 25, 2021 12:08 PM (pO7gM)

309 Re Rome: contrast

Our homeless aren't slaves but they generally don't stop being homeless.

But many slaves became free property owners. Much due to inheritance.

Posted by: torabora at February 25, 2021 12:09 PM (fbHXO)

310 Anybody else as tired of being nagged about whether I'm happy with stuff that just got delivered? I'm not even aware it's been delivered sometimes until I get this nag.

How about waiting 24 hours before bothering me?

Oh and ebay folks have been this way for a while. The whole feedback system is corrupt and I would guess that most people like me just say that the item was great. (now leave me alone)

It's gotten so the feedback doesn't mean anything except a total count of sales.

Posted by: jakee308 at February 25, 2021 12:09 PM (z96ye)

311 Any mention of the heroic efforts of Tom Cotton and Mitt Romney on this vital issue of raising the minimum wage?

Posted by: rhomboid at February 25, 2021 12:09 PM (OTzUX)

312 But hey -- federal workers are slated to get
$1400/week if they have to stay home if their kids aren't back to
school. Eligible up to $21k.
But hey, we can enjoy the $1400 stimmie checks.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at February 25, 2021 11:49 AM (N39Ws)
I thought you must be joking but there it is. Un-fucking real. https://tinyurl.com/4d8bh4dd

Posted by: Javems at February 25, 2021 12:09 PM (SWrii)

313 California has a third (or more) of the nation's homeless.

Posted by: torabora at February 25, 2021 12:10 PM (fbHXO)

314 And yet, in spite of all the valid arguments on this thread, our governors and state legislatures are scrambling to find which of our rights they can surrender in order to keep that sweet fed cash rolling in.

Posted by: Justsayin' at February 25, 2021 12:10 PM (Fs5vw)

315 295 Lady gaga is offering a $500,000 reward for the return of her dogs. Nothing about finding the people that shot they guy walking the dogs though.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at February 25, 2021 12:04 PM (JUOKG)

"Police described the suspects in the shooting as two black males wearing baseball caps who fled in a white vehicle, according to the Daily Mail."

https://tinyurl.com/y9zs8993

To the surprise of ... precisely no one.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 25, 2021 12:10 PM (YqDXo)

316 The SALT thing was more a reduction in a distortion/subsidy than punishment of political enemies. It was (partially) removing what in effect is a politically based subsidy. I don't consider removal or any artificial distortion as political, regardless of what it is. Just a reduction in distortion.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 25, 2021 12:11 PM (OTzUX)

317 313 California has a third (or more) of the nation's homeless.
Posted by: torabora at February 25, 2021 12:10 PM (fbHXO)

Not only that, but we've a third of the nation's vagrants, too.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 25, 2021 12:11 PM (YqDXo)

318 Many of the minimum wage "studies" cited by people like Hayes were funded by labor unions. More or less, this type of research funding dominates the field of labor economics. In the broader economics field, labor is treated just like any other input, you raise the price of the input, its use will decline (unless the labor cost is inelastic and then the entrepreneur will have to increase prices, decrease profit, or shut down depending on the circumstances.

Posted by: whig at February 25, 2021 12:11 PM (pO7gM)

319 The $600 stimmi checks never got to me.

They are using the tax system to screw over millions. Don't file a 1040 you won't get the money.

Posted by: torabora at February 25, 2021 12:11 PM (fbHXO)

320 Homeless don't file 1040's. No $600 for them.

Posted by: torabora at February 25, 2021 12:12 PM (fbHXO)

321 And people are dumb. When I was a kid, min wage was 3.10 and a burger was .30...now they want it to be 15 and a burger is 1.50. "Oh look! I make so much more money now!!" And the burger doesn't taste anywhere as good.
Posted by: azjaeger

A few weeks ago, a local station had on the CEO of "Flyer's Pizza" which is a local chain in Columbus.
He commented that the increase in the minimum wage would cost his company about $1.1 million dollars. And they have nine stores in Columbus, adding a tenth one soon. That's a lot of money.
He also commented that they expected to lose a lot of teenage entry level employees. Automation is expensive, and maybe the "big 4" pizza outfits could afford that, but he couldn't at this point.
He said they would survive. 2020 was actually their best year ever, with a lot of "take out" but no dine in.
He thought that more order taking would be online or through a phone app, and live order takers would disappear as a cost cutting move.
He thought the main reason there was a minimum wage hike was to increase tax revenue to the government. Everybody's actual purchasing power goes down with increased costs, but taxes will go up to the government.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....outlaw in America at February 25, 2021 12:12 PM (vcOmj)

322 $15 hour will result in more robots and more unemployment and more homeless.

they know that

they vote for that

Posted by: torabora at February 25, 2021 12:13 PM (fbHXO)

323 There will be robot repair robots.

Then there will be more homeless Americans than ever.

Posted by: torabora at February 25, 2021 12:15 PM (fbHXO)

324 Last I saw CA had more than a third of all national welfare cases, defined as people on some kind of public assistance.

Or about three times its "normal" proportion of same, based on % of national population.

Has been true for years.

Receives zero attention at any level in CA that I have seen.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 25, 2021 12:18 PM (OTzUX)

325 180 But I've been wondering how can someone make a living in a trade, not having a degree and keep up with the rise of inflation?
I and a few million other Americans was (were?) able to do it for a couple of decades right up until 1/1/94. Manufacturing was a great way to climb the ladder of success without a degree. My uncle retired as an engineer who worked his way up from the shop floor and I was doing the same thing. I went from sweeping up the shop to becoming a machinist, then a Toolmaker, to CNC operator to programmer to QC inspector mechanical designer to shop foreman. It took a while, but dumbass me was able to do it. Having a path up the ladder helped.
All of that was destroyed by our domestic enemies: progressives.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Psychos Rule! No, really. They're in charge now. at February 25, 2021 11:35 AM (HaL55)
****************
Given a choice between cancer and Democrats choose cancer. Cancer bleeds them for money too. Pissed off is better than pissed on.

Posted by: torabora at February 25, 2021 12:18 PM (fbHXO)

326 Then there will be more homeless Americans than ever.

"Homelessness" (aka "vagrancy") isn't driven significantly by economics. It's largely driven by mental illness and drug use. And idiotic social policies.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 25, 2021 12:19 PM (YqDXo)

327 Last I saw CA had more than a third of all national welfare cases, defined as people on some kind of public assistance.

Or about three times its "normal" proportion of same, based on % of national population.

Has been true for years.

Receives zero attention at any level in CA that I have seen.
Posted by: rhomboid at February 25, 2021 12:18 PM (OTzUX)

Certainly not on left-leaning sites. But it is often mentioned on, e.g., City Journal.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 25, 2021 12:21 PM (YqDXo)

328 Robot repair is not a minimum wage job. Various ramifications, it has. Burgerbots will require some cleaning every now and then.

The future's uncertain and the end is always near.

Posted by: klaftern at February 25, 2021 12:30 PM (RuIsu)

329 The City of Denton's utility were complete dumbasses for buying the electrical power at the crazy market price. Should have had their own rolling blackouts.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at February 25, 2021 11:13 AM (ufFY

Yep! They were caught with their pants down. Its like they had a monkey that was just pushing a button to let the power continue. Whoever was in charge of electricity distribution needs to be gone. Hardly anyone in the city lost power for more than an hour during the whole hard freeze. Compared to my family that went 5 days with sparse electricity and no water.

I live in Idiot's Hill, and we had more than rolling blackout here. There were several times my power was out for several hours. The blackout up here didn't end until noon Wednesday.

Posted by: goozer at February 25, 2021 12:37 PM (ra9Xu)

330 at $15, the only manual labor that will be hired is family. Visitors from the south may make out better due to larger number of family members. Isolated US citizens will do without (no job buddy), and automation will get a power boost. time to learn how to fix robots.

Posted by: down with all politicans at February 25, 2021 01:00 PM (OM48N)

331 Nobody in charge wants to let the govt collapse

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at February 25, 2021 01:02 PM (OPPvB)

332 This is the same deep thinker that said on television :

"The weirdest thing about the electoral college is the fact that if it wasn't specifically in the Constitution for the presidency, it would be unconstitutional."

His mother dresses him.

Posted by: talkswithowls at February 25, 2021 01:05 PM (r5dwQ)

333 We own a landscaping company in Florida. We have held the line on the prices we charge our customers since the Obama years. Florida just voted for a phased in raise to $15. We have already told our customers that we will be raising their costs as there is nothing left to cut out.

Posted by: Bill R. at February 25, 2021 01:10 PM (wzzJf)

334 only $15? How pandering. Let's require everyone be a millionaire and make the minimum wage $1,000,000 per year. If you're going to pick one arbitrary number, why not shoot for the moon?

Posted by: David Jacobson at February 25, 2021 01:57 PM (8h6lI)

335 188 90, From what I remember, at the time, the Canadian dollar was about 75 cents on the US dollar and VAT taxes (which finance the welfare state in Canada) did not apply to exports. A lot of the motion picture and tv industry for example started productions in Canada due to cheaper wages when the exchange rate was involved.
Posted by: whig at February 25, 2021 11:37 AM (pO7gM)

Plus the Federal and Provincial production subsidies, and qualifying for the "Canadian origin Content" requirement on CBC. Throw in a few "Mon Dieus " to meet Quebec's French language requirements , and you're golden.

Posted by: Fox2! at February 25, 2021 03:35 PM (iqInZ)

336 Deep thoughts from the 21st Century Machiavellli. "Free stuff is very very popular politically".

Posted by: Wade Hampton at February 25, 2021 03:48 PM (Su9Le)

337 If everything increases along with minimum wage then the minimum wage will be higher but the buying power stays the same, all that gets inflated is Inflation of the dollar.
It feels good but it just makes $15.00 worth $7.25.
And jobs scarcer.

Posted by: obsidian at February 26, 2021 11:34 AM (7+yqP)

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