Gun Thread: It's Snowing Down in Texas Edition! [Weasel]

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Full speed ahead!

Welp, another Sunday and another Gun Thread. Let's gather around the fire and discuss guns, shooting and the wunnerful world of firearms for a while!

Our pals in Texas have taken a beating from ol' Man Winter this past week, with snow and ridiculously low temps across the state. Add to that power outages and water shortages and you have a Texas size problemo! We all have a bunch of very special Moron pals down there who we need to keep in our thoughts and prayers. They are all people who impress me as competent, independent and highly self-sufficient, but dealing with this sort of weather crap is no picnic.

So with that said, let's pop down below and see what we have this week, shall we?

Speaking of likable Texans, our pal and TXMoMe host extraordinaire RancherBob, takes time out from shoveling and shivering to share pics of his beloved Winchester Model 1907. You may recall last week's mailbag entry featured the following page from a vintage Sears catalog.

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Vintage Sears Catalog Ad (courtesy WTM)

RancherBob explains:

Sorry to say I lost this gun in a tragic ferry boat incident. I'm still quite traumatized and unable to talk about it.

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Very nice, RancherBob! Hope you are thawing out. Thank you for sharing and bigly Gun Thread condolences on your loss.

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Next up, our pal and delightful 'ette Ladyl shares a range report as she continues to develop her marksmanship skills.

I had private instruction at the range today. It included about a half an hour in the classroom and 45 minutes at the range.

The purpose of doing this was to review the operation of my Glock 43X, including loading, clearing, grip, etc. Because this is new to me, it will be a while before I want to fire the gun without an expert beside me to make sure I'm doing everything right.

At the range I had detailed instruction on loading and firing. The instructor had me do five rounds at a time, dry firing at the end of each five rounds.

My first few shots were disappointing--I think I was more focused on pulling the trigger than keeping my eyes on the sight. It got better as I went on, but it was harder than I thought it would be.

The targets were at five yards.

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Well there is nothing in the world wrong with these targets! Shooting is a skill which takes time and practice to develop and you are just getting started. You may want to think about some dry-fire drills at home. These will save on ammo while developing muscle memory and getting you used to handling the firearm.

Why, here is a drill right here!

You might later consider on of the laser practice aids we have been discussing.

Nice work, Ladyl!

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Here's another live fire drill, called the 10-10-10 Drill, sent to us by our pal redc1c4. Thanks Red!

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A few weeks back we looked at the Whitworth Confederate Sniper Rifle which started a muzzleloader discussion. Our pal Qmark sent in this great looking example, the Knight .45 DISC Extreme.

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Here's a look at the Knight Outdoor Outlet Website.

Thanks Qmark!

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Speaking of nice rifles, our pal Scuba_Dude has been busy in the shop mounting a scope.

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Sweet! How do you like working on the Tipton vise, SD?

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Next up, our pal WFD426 sends in several good questions on concealed carry, and also a quick range report.

Regarding concealed carry, I was wondering about holster styles; kydex vs leather, amount of retention necessary, and locations of gun placement, appendix vs 3 o'clock vs 6 o'clock vs pocket, etc...

Also a brief range report: took my 15 y.o. son to the range Saturday and we shot our way up from 22LR to 45acp, with stops at 32acp and 9mm. We didn't shoot super-well, but it was our first time with all those pistols. A bad day at the range is still always a good day!

OK! Let's help a fellow Moron out. I personally like Garrett Silent Thunder Holsters and have been buying them for various guns for years. I carry at about 3 o'clock with a slight forward cant.

What are your favorites?

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Several of you have asked for information on zeroing iron sights on an AR-15. This video is worth a look.

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Homework
I have been watching a bunch of videos by a guy posting on YouTube as GunBlue490. His videos are great, but they are long! Here is one on oiling and lubrication that clocks in at just over an hour, so don't try and watch it tonight. Instead, try and watch it when you have time this week and we can discuss next Sunday.

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Link-O-Rama

So I've had this list up for over two years now, and I understand they're not returning much in the way of available inventory. Maybe someday they will be useful again, so I will leave them here. I know retail inventory is listed and then gone almost immediately, but if you have had luck in sourcing ammo, please let us know what/when/where in the comments.

I'm really very seriously not kidding around anymore. Buy Ammo
AmmoSeek - online ammo search tool
GunBot - online ammo search tool
SG Ammo
Palmetto State Armory
Georgia Arms
AmmoMan
Target Sports USA

***Mail Bag***

This week's entry comes courtesy of our pal and prolific contributor JT. Man, if this ain't the truth.

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

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1 Bam bam abm

Posted by: nurse ratched at February 21, 2021 07:00 PM (U2p+3)

2 St?

Posted by: Numbuh Two, 2x4 Technology Operative at February 21, 2021 07:00 PM (YWBlw)

3 I will fetch the food aficionados.

Posted by: AZ deplorable isolated at February 21, 2021 07:01 PM (gtatv)

4 BANG!

Posted by: redc1c4 (*OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated) at February 21, 2021 07:02 PM (cLNC/)

5 Hunh. Almost thot we had a repeat when I saw that ad again. Nope. Well off to rad the content! Oh, yeah, Hiya, Horde!

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at February 21, 2021 07:04 PM (Iw46i)

6 I've been thinking about the Texas morons a lot this week. This sort of suffering is appropriate for Biden voters, not morons in good standing.

I had the impression that things had finally melted. No?

Posted by: Splunge at February 21, 2021 07:05 PM (RzGcW)

7 Yay gub thread!

In some positive political news for a change, Montana is now a constitutional carry state. Huzza! The legislature had approved it some time ago, but the previous governor wouldn't agree to it because Democrat.

Posted by: Numbuh Two, 2x4 Technology Operative at February 21, 2021 07:05 PM (YWBlw)

8 LadyL, think about squeezing the trigger and not pulling the trigger.

Posted by: C 137 at February 21, 2021 07:05 PM (2DOZq)

9 Evening all.

Was asked to help a neighbor move a nug safe to his 2nd floor bedroom this week. It was a monster.

I didn't even know he was an enthusiast. Jeebus this neighborhood is armed up.

Posted by: Tonypete at February 21, 2021 07:06 PM (Rvt88)

10 Ladyl, when you show up, not bad shooting for a rookie newbie. Keep it up! It gets better, much better.

Posted by: Old Blue - Round Headed Bald Kid at February 21, 2021 07:06 PM (VNmG1)

11 Hi Nurse
"bam, bam, abm. ?
Didja hiccup?

Posted by: Winston, GOPe, not one dime, not one vote at February 21, 2021 07:07 PM (z985I)

12 Howdy y'all!

I could have been first, you know.

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 07:08 PM (MVjcR)

13 Don't come to me for holster advice. I've been using Uncle Mike's holsters for 25 years.

Posted by: C 137 at February 21, 2021 07:08 PM (2DOZq)

14 The Winchester Model 7, and the Remington 8 were the "original black rifles."

I *really* want a Model 81 derivative of the Remington 8.

Posted by: sven at February 21, 2021 07:08 PM (Lzpvj)

15 Anyone have a good / reasonably priced source for 0.30 cal metal ammo cans? Seems like everywhere local only sells plastic now, and there are decent deals online until you get to the $30 shipping charge for $40 worth of beat up old military surplus cans.

Posted by: Lysenkos Bagged Lettuce, 100% abortion free and only tested for safety using abortions at February 21, 2021 07:09 PM (1+b9Z)

16 Good evening, gunnies and gunettes!

Posted by: RI Red at February 21, 2021 07:09 PM (TigTd)

17 Heya, Gunrons. No range report but I stopped by a Cabela's today. I can report that there are no longer rows of empty ammo shelves. Because they have just sort of given up and removed the shelves altogether. Just a bunch of empty floor space where ammo used to be. Whereas in The Before Time, there was a fifteen foot aisle with shelves of pistol bullets down one side and rifle bullets down the other, now there is just a four foot section for everything. And by everything, I mean almost nothing. And here's a weird thing: they only had a dozen or so sets of reloading die. Who knew there was a shortage of dies?

Posted by: Oddbob at February 21, 2021 07:09 PM (qc+VF)

18 I'm going to find where all you asshoes go canoeing and get some diving gear and salvage all those gubs.

I'll be the best-armed sumbitch

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at February 21, 2021 07:09 PM (oAY8z)

19 Weasel!!!

(If he can't be first, he can still get the Sponge!!! treatment.)

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at February 21, 2021 07:10 PM (tkyK5)

20 Yes!!! Time for the Pew Pew thread!!
Ladyl, nice shooting there! Keep at it, it will get even better as you continue your journey.
Weasel, for what I am doing the Tipton is not to bad. Holds the rifle steady which is all I am asking of it. And the storage wells that are in the base are perfect for holding things like tools, screws and other doodads while I am working on it.
The scope is mounted. All I can do now is wait for nicer weather so I can zero the rifle. Probably sometime in April.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at February 21, 2021 07:10 PM (Fdgdx)

21 "The deer are coming!"
"The deer are coming!"

Yeah.....no shit.

Yay, it's pewpew time!

Posted by: Norman Spiny at February 21, 2021 07:10 PM (68uBc)

22 Posted by: Pillage Idiot at February 21, 2021 07:10 PM (tkyK5)
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What's up, amigo!

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 07:11 PM (MVjcR)

23 I had the impression that things had finally melted. No?

Don't know about the panhandle but central TX was pushing 70 today.

Posted by: Oddbob at February 21, 2021 07:11 PM (qc+VF)

24 LadyL, awesome targets!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at February 21, 2021 07:11 PM (tkyK5)

25 US Army manual how to, for people who learn better reading: https://tinyurl.com/mm3tq3ce

printable issue zero targets here: https://tinyurl.com/34pc2tx9

Posted by: redc1c4 (*OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated) at February 21, 2021 07:11 PM (cLNC/)

26 17 Posted by: Oddbob at February 21, 2021 07:09 PM (qc+VF)

Almost like they've been told "the ammo ain't coming back dude!"

Posted by: sven at February 21, 2021 07:11 PM (Lzpvj)

27 "The deer are coming!! The deer are coming!"

-- Fawn Revere


"Don't fire until you see their . . . antler fuzz!"

-- Col. William Presbuckk


"I only regret that I have only one life to give for raiding your garden."

-- Nathan "Bambi" Hale

Posted by: Sharkman at February 21, 2021 07:11 PM (YzhgI)

28 I'm thinking Academy is going to have a big supply of ammo on Monday since they haven't been able to open or take delivery some last week.

Posted by: C 137 at February 21, 2021 07:12 PM (2DOZq)

29 I just ordered a leather holster for my .380 from Galco holsters. I'm still searching for just the right fit and it ain't easy. Kind of pricey too.

Posted by: Old Blue - Round Headed Bald Kid at February 21, 2021 07:12 PM (VNmG1)

30 The deer are coming! The deer are coming!

Posted by: Paul Revere and the Raiders at February 21, 2021 07:12 PM (63Dwl)

31 Holsters. Go talk to Norm. He made a couple for me, including a custom rig for my 1911 with a 300 Blackout upper and Vortex optical sight. Tell 'im I sent you https://www.montanaholster.com/

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at February 21, 2021 07:12 PM (Iw46i)

32 I'm going to find where all you asshoes go canoeing and get some diving gear and salvage all those gubs.

I'll be the best-armed sumbitch
Posted by: ghost

Apache lake AZ.
Last week a herd of Big Horn Sheep and Bald Eagles were spotted.

No diving was attempted.

Posted by: AZ deplorable isolated at February 21, 2021 07:13 PM (gtatv)

33 I'm going to find where all you asshoes go canoeing and get some diving gear and salvage all those gubs.



I'll be the best-armed sumbitch

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at February 21, 2021 07:09 PM (oAY8z)

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i was on my way to Catalina Island... the channel is only about 4K feet deep, so it should be easy....

Posted by: redc1c4 (*OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated) at February 21, 2021 07:13 PM (cLNC/)

34 Scuba, no waiting for Spring! If I can shoot every Sunday in Northern NH, shirley you can get out and shoot that mofo!

Posted by: RI Red at February 21, 2021 07:13 PM (TigTd)

35 23 Posted by: Oddbob at February 21, 2021 07:11 PM (qc+VF)

It is almost like anomalous weather is "anomalous."

Don't worry this is all because Texans were uppity enough to demand energy self-reliance without being SMART enough to successfully sue EPA for regulatory fiat games with coal in their own state.

Posted by: sven at February 21, 2021 07:13 PM (Lzpvj)

36 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at February 21, 2021 07:10 PM (Fdgdx)
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When I'm mounting a scope I just use sandbags and a machinist's level on the kitchen counter. WeaselWoman loves that!

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 07:13 PM (MVjcR)

37 "It's snowing down in Texas . . . and all the carbon-based energy producers are down . . ."

-- Texas Flood (first draft), Stevie Ray Vaughan

Posted by: Sharkman at February 21, 2021 07:13 PM (YzhgI)

38 Anyone have a good / reasonably priced source for 0.30 cal metal ammo cans?

Check Walmart. The cans they have are Chinese knock-offs of USGI cans but they good enough.

Posted by: Oddbob at February 21, 2021 07:13 PM (qc+VF)

39 Guns and Boobs

https://tinyurl.com/1x2nrao2

Posted by: kbdabear at February 21, 2021 07:13 PM (qAR6u)

40 I'd hate to count how many holsters I've got shoved in my accessories box.

Posted by: Lysenkos Bagged Lettuce, 100% abortion free and only tested for safety using abortions at February 21, 2021 07:13 PM (1+b9Z)

41 speaking of 300 Blackout, i got an e mail earlier today from tacticalshit.com saying they had 500 round packs, loaded with Nosler 220 grain HPBT... no idea how many first born kids they wanted for one, or if there is any left.


Posted by: redc1c4 (*OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated) at February 21, 2021 07:15 PM (cLNC/)

42 ladyl, you are looking right competent.

Posted by: RI Red at February 21, 2021 07:15 PM (TigTd)

43 a quick look at AmmoSeek shows prices coming down a bit

Posted by: DB- just DB at February 21, 2021 07:15 PM (iTXRQ)

44 I didn't even know he was an enthusiast. Jeebus this neighborhood is armed up.
Posted by: Tonypete at February 21, 2021 07:06 PM (Rvt8


This warms my heart!

Posted by: Emmie at February 21, 2021 07:15 PM (ofYez)

45 Just a quick one - gotta run and check in on my mom. The CMP still has some ammo available. Pricey, of course, but in stock. I just ordered two bricks of .22

Posted by: The Neon Madman at February 21, 2021 07:16 PM (KSXRc)

46 As regards the JT poster, this is my favorite response to a similar sentiment from Bloomberg.

"If you need 30 rounds to hunt, you suck at hunting."

-- Bloomberg

"If you need a disarmed populace to govern, you suck at governing."

-- Anonymous 2A person

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at February 21, 2021 07:16 PM (tkyK5)

47 Check Walmart. The cans they have are Chinese knock-offs of USGI cans but they good enough.

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Yeah, I found some 50cal there and they are surprisingly good quality (although you need to open / close each one to check alignment and seal before leaving), but the stores around here don't have metal 30cal, either. I like 50, but I find that I can use space more efficiently with the 30.

Posted by: Lysenkos Bagged Lettuce, 100% abortion free and only tested for safety using abortions at February 21, 2021 07:16 PM (1+b9Z)

48 Posted by: The Neon Madman at February 21, 2021 07:16 PM (KSXRc)
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Howdy!

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 07:16 PM (MVjcR)

49 8 LadyL, think about squeezing the trigger and not pulling the trigger.
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Good advice. My instructor said, "don't even care when the gun goes off, just hold it still and squeeze as smoothly as you can. Let the gun shoot itself!"

Posted by: chris-cross at February 21, 2021 07:17 PM (k8uM2)

50 Ladyl: there is NOTHING wrong with those targets from a self-defense POV. all rounds are centered, and the vertical stringing just means the trauma surgeon has more to do...

that's assuming the perp doesn't do us all a favor and bleads out before he gets there.

Posted by: redc1c4 (*OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated) at February 21, 2021 07:18 PM (cLNC/)

51 Nice shooting, Ladyl!

Posted by: SMH at February 21, 2021 07:18 PM (l64hh)

52 Hi Weasel and all you lot-


I have nothing to report this week- still waiting on 150 rounds of ammo that has been delayed by weather along the shipping route-
latest promise is Tuesday

Posted by: DB- just DB at February 21, 2021 07:18 PM (iTXRQ)

53 holsters, hmmm ...

for some reason I have several DeSantis ones; the pocket holster I carry the mini .22 in, the OWB for the J-frame (between 3 an4 o'clock, canted forward).
A couple that are S&W branded, a thumb-break one for the 66, and a plain belt-slide for 1911.
A factory Kydex for the P290, special to fit the laser that I removed.
I have been playing around with making my own Kydex holsters, so far neck holsters for the mini .22 and the J-frame ... thought about one for the P290 but I think that it's too heavy to wear that way

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at February 21, 2021 07:19 PM (AKJpt)

54 Posted by: DB- just DB at February 21, 2021 07:18 PM (iTXRQ)
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Howdy DB!

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 07:19 PM (MVjcR)

55 Penny or dime drill as explained by Gene Wilder.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mzcgyk62cHU

Posted by: navybrat, semper paratus at February 21, 2021 07:19 PM (w7KSn)

56 Weasel,

I got my little Winchester Model 1890 back from a gunsmith buddy. Now cycling well.

Going to try it out with daughter #3 next time it is warm enough to work at the farm.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at February 21, 2021 07:19 PM (tkyK5)

57
Guns and Boobs

https://tinyurl.com/1x2nrao2
Posted by: kbdabear


They want to know my birthday. Are they going to send me a card?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 21, 2021 07:19 PM (63Dwl)

58 18 I'm going to find where all you asshoes go canoeing and get some diving gear and salvage all those gubs.

I'll be the best-armed sumbitch
Posted by: ghost of hallelujah

Ross Lake. North Cascades. Good luck.

Posted by: nurse ratched at February 21, 2021 07:19 PM (U2p+3)

59 I've got that Tipton vise also. It's a decent, albeit low cost bench solution. Probably work much better perma mounted.

I used it to zero a scope or two on an opposite wall with a laser until I could get to the range.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 21, 2021 07:20 PM (rdbLX)

60 Posted by: Pillage Idiot at February 21, 2021 07:19 PM (tkyK5)
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Hope you will send us a range report!

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 07:20 PM (MVjcR)

61 My range report: Had 25 feral hogs on the range last evening. 10 adults and 15 of those gorgeous 40lb sucklings. I didn't get to shoot one because I didn't have any water to clean things up. They will be back.

Posted by: Ben Had at February 21, 2021 07:20 PM (9ZsDn)

62 I have a pile of ammo cans for 30MM but holy cow, by the time you fill them with anything useful, they are too heavy to move.

I guess I could live in one.

Posted by: Tonypete at February 21, 2021 07:20 PM (Rvt88)

63 Bench Report!
In my continual search to wring the very best out of my gear, I restarted weighing my bullets. Hornady 120's were plus or minus up to .5 grains. Sierra match kings were .2.
So I loaded up with spot-on 120s and went to the range.
Slightly better grouping, but not dramatic.
Next step and already shipping is neck turning gear.
I love this hobby.

Posted by: RI Red at February 21, 2021 07:21 PM (TigTd)

64 18 I'm going to find where all you asshoes go canoeing and get some diving gear and salvage all those gubs.

I'll be the best-armed sumbitch
Posted by: ghost of hallelujah


Crater Lake. Dropped it out of a private airplane.

Posted by: Emmie at February 21, 2021 07:21 PM (ofYez)

65 Looking at LadyL's targets I just thought of a cool target for the range if you've got a shooting buddy. I assume someone will say it's already out there but a dart board target.

Posted by: C 137 at February 21, 2021 07:21 PM (2DOZq)

66 And just to add my ignorance to the topic, I'd be more than happy with those targets. You're getting used to everything and still were on target.

Remember, it's purely a social gun. Center mass is what matters. Keep practicing and you'll be out shooting some old timers soon.

Posted by: Lysenkos Bagged Lettuce, 100% abortion free and only tested for safety using abortions at February 21, 2021 07:22 PM (1+b9Z)

67 still no range time, that might change here shortly.

i did get the air rifle down to Mac-1 for repairs... i'll get it back one of these days. you can't rush a one man shop who has built world record holding air rifles.

Posted by: redc1c4 (*OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated) at February 21, 2021 07:22 PM (cLNC/)

68 Posted by: Ben Had at February 21, 2021 07:20 PM (9ZsDn)
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Hey! Been thinking about you. WW says howdy!

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 07:22 PM (MVjcR)

69 Range report this week. I decided to have a four day weekend and took Tuesday off. Went off to the indoor range across the river in Jersey. Met up with CBD who purchased my old scope.He could not join me in sending projectiles downrange as he was pressed for time. Besides my Sig I rented a Glock 19 Gen 5 in 9mm as I wanted to check out other handguns. I had wanted to rent something that shot 5.7 but they did not have any ammo for those guns.Put 30 round through the Glock. Felt comfortable in my hand and much lighter than my Sig. One of the RO's suggested another handgun that he thought I might like, a Canik TP9 SFElite in 9mm. I told him sure, why the hell not? He went and brought the handgun back to me and I proceeded to put 20 rounds through it. I LIKE this gun, it did have one malfunction in a failure to extract but other than that it shot really nice and it was REALLY comfortable in my hand. That might be going on the list of things to own.After that 50 rounds through my Sig at 5 yards and 10 yards. Very happy with those and very happy overall with the day.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at February 21, 2021 07:22 PM (Fdgdx)

70 Regarding the 2nd Amendment, pro-2nd States should adopt nullification in response. For every new "law" proposed to reduce our 2nd Amendment rights, the individual State will not allow for any enforcement of an already existing federal gun law on the books within their jurisdiction. Make them pay for their foolishness.





Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 21, 2021 07:22 PM (R/m4+)

71 Question for fellow AR geeks:

Collecting parts for a 3-Gun competition build. 16.1" barrel in .223 Wylde, Odin tunable gas port at Intermediate length (between mid-length and Rifle). Trying to figure out a proper buffer system. Vltor A5H2 looks good, but 2-5 month backlog. Geissele Super 42 system looks good too but only a carbine length tube (not sure if that would be an issue). Other info or ideas would be very welcome!

Posted by: Norman Spiny at February 21, 2021 07:22 PM (68uBc)

72 #14 Excuse the odd and OT question, Sven, but I can't recall if you said you had been banned from Insty's (or Disqus banned you?) or if you had self-exiled yourself? Pardon the oddity but someone was wondering on Insty's knockoff ONT where you and several respected regulars like SGS and Burkean Mama had gone.

Posted by: andycanuck at February 21, 2021 07:23 PM (d6he9)

73 Weasel!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 21, 2021 07:23 PM (kTF2Z)

74 i was on my way to Catalina Island... the channel is only about 4K feet deep, so it should be easy....

Posted by: redc1c4 (*OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated) at February 21, 2021 07:13 PM


That is absolutely the best place to lose your guns. The oil seeps will keep them lubricated until you get a chance to recover them!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at February 21, 2021 07:23 PM (tkyK5)

75 Holsters? Dan Hume, Bianchi, Tagua, Gould and Goodrich, Serpa, Safariland, Hunter, not to mention a suitcase full of others. Majority on a good sturdy gunbelt like Crossbreed made to carry at least at least a G21 and 3 extra mags. Sometimes I will go out with just a Smith n' Wesson Airweight in front right pocket, but most times prefer a more robust armament. Depends on personal preference and body type. And one day you are looking at a suitcase full of holsters.

Posted by: Eromero at February 21, 2021 07:24 PM (gjvwR)

76 Posted by: RI Red at February 21, 2021 07:21 PM (TigTd)
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Let's discuss when you have time. Measuring differences in the ogive will give you much better results.

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 07:24 PM (MVjcR)

77 I think you'd *want* the carbine length, but mine is just from what I remember from building one a few years ago. I think rifle length is an anomaly these days.

Posted by: Lysenkos Bagged Lettuce, 100% abortion free and only tested for safety using abortions at February 21, 2021 07:24 PM (1+b9Z)

78 I didn't get to shoot one because I didn't have any water to clean things up. They will be back.

Posted by: Ben Had at February 21, 2021 07:20 PM (9ZsDn)

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be a DAMN shame of someone spilled some corn out there...

Posted by: redc1c4 (*OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated) at February 21, 2021 07:24 PM (cLNC/)

79 #34 RI Red
I am getting old and cranky. :-) I am loathing the cold and the snow. I have the patience to wait until April so I do not have to spend and hour or more thawing out from sitting at a bench zeroing the rifle. :-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at February 21, 2021 07:24 PM (Fdgdx)

80 Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 21, 2021 07:23 PM (kTF2Z)
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Duke!

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 07:24 PM (MVjcR)

81 I'm interested in the iron sight vid...and the oiling vid. How you can take more than an hour to illustrate oiling and lubricating a gun beyond me.

That being said... when my son was up a couple weeks ago and ammo, being scarce forced us to use some .380 that had been in storage, cleaned our pistols after shooting. He spent about 2 hours on 4 guns.

Posted by: Martini Farmer - Now a Pirate, Hoisting the Black Flag at February 21, 2021 07:25 PM (3H9h1)

82
g'early evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at February 21, 2021 07:25 PM (aSDzn)

83 Follow me if you want to live.

Posted by: rudolf the red-nosed reindeer at February 21, 2021 07:25 PM (d6he9)

84 hiya

Posted by: JT at February 21, 2021 07:25 PM (arJlL)

85 Spent the weekend in Central and NW Florida.

It's like being in America again. Maskless restaurants! A place called "MACHINE GUN AMERICA" Gun stores next to Chuckie Cheese. Trump signs and flags all over the place.

It smelled like...Freedom.

Posted by: blaster at February 21, 2021 07:26 PM (Ef23Y)

86 Howdy JT!

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 07:27 PM (MVjcR)

87 Ah, the CLP and Hoppes smell of a Sunday gun thread! Woot! Thanks, Weasel!

Ladyl, I second, third or fourth, as I've yet to peruse the comments, what Weasel said about your target. You're doing well and keep up the good work!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at February 21, 2021 07:27 PM (2SdPm)

88 Don't worry about your results, LadyL. At that range every shot would have killed your adversary.

Posted by: Sharkman at February 21, 2021 07:27 PM (YzhgI)

89 LadyL, think about squeezing the trigger and not pulling the trigger.

I'm going to respectfully disagree with this. If I toss you a tennis ball and say "squeeze this," what are you going to do? Probably exert pressure with your thumb and all four fingers. Instead, once you have a firm grip (but not a death grip) on the gun, the only motion you want is with the index finger. I suggest that instead of thinking "squeeze" or "pull," think "click" like clicking a mouse button. Not too slow, not too fast, just a smooth, steady, positive motion.

Posted by: Oddbob at February 21, 2021 07:27 PM (qc+VF)

90 We are in Florida looking for blaster acres.

Want enough property to shoot.

120 acres should do it.

Posted by: blaster at February 21, 2021 07:27 PM (Ef23Y)

91 we used to do that dime drill with our M16s in basic training. Of course a dime went a lot further in those days.

Posted by: Quint at February 21, 2021 07:27 PM (Veofh)

92 Gun thread!!!

I'll try to learn something. Please don't use big words.

Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist at February 21, 2021 07:28 PM (TdMsT)

93 Good evening to all. If the forecast holds, our are is supposed to get to the low 50s middle of the week. Hope that gives me a chance to finally get to the range. I have a couple of Ruger Blackhawks, 41 magnum and 357 magnum, eager to be shot. Also a Henry in 22 magnum I haven't had a chance to try yet.

The guns are cleaned, lubed, and ammo is already in the shooting bag.

Posted by: JTB at February 21, 2021 07:28 PM (7EjX1)

94 Howdy blake!

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 07:28 PM (MVjcR)

95 " ...
And one day you are looking at a suitcase full of holsters.
Posted by: Eromero at February 21, 2021 07:24 PM (gjvwR) "

*in Bert Lahr cowardly lion voice*

Ain't it the truth! Ain't it the truth!

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at February 21, 2021 07:28 PM (AKJpt)

96 Florida gives me hope. This will be the capital of the New America. I am not 100% sure Texas will come alongside.

Posted by: blaster at February 21, 2021 07:28 PM (Ef23Y)

97
I'll try to learn something. Please don't use big words.
Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist at February 21, 2021 07:28 PM (TdMsT)
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OK

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 07:29 PM (MVjcR)

98
I'm going to respectfully disagree with this. If I toss you a tennis ball and say "squeeze this," what are you going to do? Probably exert pressure with your thumb and all four fingers. Instead, once you have a firm grip (but not a death grip) on the gun, the only motion you want is with the index finger. I suggest that instead of thinking "squeeze" or "pull," think "click" like clicking a mouse button. Not too slow, not too fast, just a smooth, steady, positive motion.
Posted by: Oddbob at February 21, 2021 07:27 PM (qc+VF)


I'm going to really focus on that next time.

Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist at February 21, 2021 07:29 PM (TdMsT)

99 Ah, the CLP and Hoppes smell of a Sunday gun thread!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing

I've heard tell of good women having trouble finding a good man. If CLP and Hoppes put their heads together and came up with a perfume for ladies. . . .

Posted by: Tonypete at February 21, 2021 07:29 PM (Rvt88)

100 Ladyl, are you a righty or a lefty? Assuming righty.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 21, 2021 07:29 PM (rdbLX)

101 Today the pastor in my church reached into the Talmud for a lesson.

A line to remember:

One day while the child was playing he became tired, and lying upon the ground fell asleep. A weasel bit him in the neck, and he bled to death.

Posted by: blaster at February 21, 2021 07:30 PM (Ef23Y)

102 On to holsters: I've long advocated for the products turned out by ttgunleather.

Excellent products that wear well.

I've a full size Kimber 1911 I EDC with a TTgunleather IWB holster, the very same holster I use for IDPA. 8 years of abuse and going strong.

All leather, I might add.

Not cheap, but, quality never is.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at February 21, 2021 07:30 PM (2SdPm)

103
I'm going to really focus on that next time.
Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist at February 21, 2021 07:29 PM (TdMsT)
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Same as with the rifle, grasshopper.

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 07:30 PM (MVjcR)

104 Posted by: blaster at February 21, 2021 07:30 PM (Ef23Y)
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Must've been a mean one.

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 07:31 PM (MVjcR)

105 Congrats, LadyL! Looks like nice shooting to me.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at February 21, 2021 07:31 PM (l9m7l)

106 Yup, weasel, gotta do both ogive and weight. I'm finding that a box of 50 doesn't work out to 50 perfect rounds.
I seat by ogive exclusively now.

Posted by: RI Red at February 21, 2021 07:31 PM (TigTd)

107 I'll try to learn something. Please don't use big words.
Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist at February 21, 2021 07:28 PM (TdMsT)
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I'll endeavor to be as concise as possible.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at February 21, 2021 07:32 PM (2SdPm)

108 I had a Shield that I would consistently shoot low and to the left. Sometimes even completely off a 10" target. I found that if I would remove my pinky (like someone fancy drinking tea) I'd be right back on target. It's amazing how much force that little finger can produce.

Posted by: Lysenkos Bagged Lettuce, 100% abortion free and only tested for safety using abortions at February 21, 2021 07:32 PM (1+b9Z)

109 Littleton city council passes onerous regs for gun stores in the city. Pretty harsh regulations. https://tinyurl.com/1mk95996

Posted by: Old Blue - Round Headed Bald Kid at February 21, 2021 07:32 PM (VNmG1)

110 Not too slow, not too fast, just a smooth, steady, positive motion. -----

I think that's pretty close to the definition of squeeze.

Posted by: C 137 at February 21, 2021 07:33 PM (2DOZq)

111 Same as with the rifle, grasshopper.
Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 07:30 PM (MVjcR)


LOL. That's what my tennis instructor used to call me when I played with the big kids.

Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist at February 21, 2021 07:33 PM (TdMsT)

112 A weasel bit him in the neck, and he bled to death.

Posted by: blaster at February 21, 2021 07:30 PM (Ef23Y)

Are you saying we should be wary around Weasel? He does not look like the biting type, Weasel Dog and Little Joe on the other hand................

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at February 21, 2021 07:33 PM (Fdgdx)

113 Not too slow, not too fast, just a smooth, steady, positive motion. -----

I think that's pretty close to the definition of squeeze.
Posted by: C 137

Wait, what are we talking about here?

Posted by: Tonypete at February 21, 2021 07:33 PM (Rvt88)

114 105 Congrats, LadyL! Looks like nice shooting to me.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at February 21, 2021 07:31 PM (l9m7l)

Thank you, BC. I'm a rank beginner.

Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist at February 21, 2021 07:33 PM (TdMsT)

115 Posted by: RI Red at February 21, 2021 07:31 PM (TigTd)
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Sorting by ogive really improves accuracy, and in every box of 100 match bullets there is usually one comedian that's all wonky. Toss that one and you virtually eliminate fliers.

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 07:34 PM (MVjcR)

116 Wait, what are we talking about here?
Posted by: Tonypete at February 21, 2021 07:33 PM (Rvt8
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That perfect palm swell of that rifle stock that just fits the hand, of course.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at February 21, 2021 07:34 PM (2SdPm)

117 Weasel, I have been more fortunate than most. I had power and water and didn't have to leave the farm for 10 days. There is a saying that G-D protects drunks and fools!

For WW: Hope to see you this year.

Posted by: Ben Had at February 21, 2021 07:34 PM (9ZsDn)

118 I'm going to find where all you asshoes go canoeing and get some diving gear and salvage all those gubs.
Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at February 21, 2021 07:09 PM


Normally, I wouldn't say anything, but since it's this Thread:

1120'59.99" N 14211'60.00" E

Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 21, 2021 07:35 PM (DMUuz)

119 72 Posted by: andycanuck at February 21, 2021 07:23 PM (d6he9)

Posted by: sven at February 21, 2021 07:35 PM (Lzpvj)

120 Weasel,
Thanks for mentioning the GunBlue490 channel. The guy ought to know his stuff and I'm curious to hear his perspective on firearms.

For those of us who shoot traditional style muzzleloaders, there is a Townsends video on YouTube "Flintlock Rifle Breakdown and Cleaning". It features a reenactor who has carefully researched how the rifles of the 1700s were maintained and what materials were used. He does an excellent job explaining the what, how and why.

Posted by: JTB at February 21, 2021 07:35 PM (7EjX1)

121 I suggest that instead of thinking "squeeze" or "pull," think "click"
like clicking a mouse button. Not too slow, not too fast, just a smooth,
steady, positive motion.

Posted by: Oddbob at February 21, 2021 07:27 PM (qc+VF)

tell that to some dough boy in 1914. Just kidding. Everyone has different feels and all that matters is what works for them. For a 1911 is is more like breaking a glass rod, at least that is how some feel it. Not much different than what you are saying.

Posted by: Quint at February 21, 2021 07:35 PM (Veofh)

122 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at February 21, 2021 07:33 PM (Fdgdx)
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FSJ is a good boy. WD will bite your face off!

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 07:35 PM (MVjcR)

123 100 Ladyl, are you a righty or a lefty? Assuming righty.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 21, 2021 07:29 PM (rdbLX)


I'm right handed with strong dominant left eye. I don't know if that makes any difference.

Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist at February 21, 2021 07:36 PM (TdMsT)

124 I have a Black Arch Protos-M for the Walther PPS. It's kydex with a fabric sweat backer pad and two clips to keep it secure. The other is a custom kydex tuckable IWB from Paul at PJ Holster. Very minimalist, just wraps around the pistol and keeps it in place, with a clip that lets you tuck the shirt in. Can't recommend PJ holster highly enough, really good shop with custom fitting and quick delivery. It's the only place I was able to find, after about three months of looking, that could do any kind of holster for a VP9 tactical with a TLR7.

https://www.blackarchholsters.com/
https://pjholster.com/

For the 1911, a Bianchi 135 in leather, if I'm going out. USGI M3 around the house or driving with a jacket on.

Everything that isn't a chest rig is at 4 o'clock.

Posted by: hogmartin at February 21, 2021 07:36 PM (t+qrx)

125 The good news is CZ bought Colt. Maybe they'll focus on introducing something NEW!! They've played out Brownings and Stoners genius. CZ does R&D, unlike Colt.

Posted by: ck at February 21, 2021 07:36 PM (iBg56)

126 Ladyl and others: Mrs. Red found in her training that the toothpaste tube approach worked. Hold a tube with the lower three fingers and make first finger squeeze without exuding toothpaste.
All woman training from a great female trainer back in RI, Daria Bruno.

Posted by: RI Red at February 21, 2021 07:37 PM (TigTd)

127 Posted by: JTB at February 21, 2021 07:35 PM (7EjX1)
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He's great, and verrrry thorough

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 07:37 PM (MVjcR)

128 Thanks for your concerns about us Texas morons. I'm just north of Houston in a nice Red zone which was one of the last to be restored. We got full power on Friday and the boil water advisory was lifted on Saturday. Most people down here are always ready for a weather emergency because of the hurricanes. People north of here... same emergency prep plan, different weather disaster... tornadoes. About the only people who don't prepare for the wrath of Mother Nature are urbans who vote Democrat because they think Big Gov will take care of them no matter what. Native Texans take this weather stuff in stride, but we're pretty riled about the political machinations.

Posted by: itsacookbook at February 21, 2021 07:38 PM (yPxXc)

129 #119 Sorry if I bothered you, Sven.

Posted by: rudolf the red-nosed reindeer at February 21, 2021 07:38 PM (d6he9)

130 nd in every box of 100 ... there is usually one comedian that's all wonky.
Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 07:34 PM


This is also known as the 100 Commenter Rule.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 21, 2021 07:38 PM (DMUuz)

131 Posted by: hogmartin at February 21, 2021 07:36 PM (t+qrx)
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Howdy, bro!

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 07:38 PM (MVjcR)

132 Ha, that Toothpaste drill is clever.

Posted by: Lysenkos Bagged Lettuce, 100% abortion free and only tested for safety using abortions at February 21, 2021 07:38 PM (1+b9Z)

133 Also - its warm in Florida.

Like 70 degrees. Today. Tomorrow its 80.

Posted by: blaster at February 21, 2021 07:38 PM (Ef23Y)

134 Hogmartin! I'm having lunch with Shibumi next week!

Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist at February 21, 2021 07:39 PM (TdMsT)

135 I'm right handed with strong dominant left eye. I don't know if that makes any difference.

Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist at February 21, 2021 07:36 PM (TdMsT)
I am the same way, except when I hold a rifle it is natural for me to hold it left handed. Since I took up shooting I have been training right handed. However, if you were to toss me a handgun I will naturally hold it right handed.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at February 21, 2021 07:39 PM (Fdgdx)

136 blake @ 102- I have more leather holsters than synthetic (Fobus, Serpa, Safariland, etc), because leather just seems made to hold a firearm. I will ask Saint John Moses Browning of Utah about this when I see him at that big range in the sky.

Posted by: Eromero at February 21, 2021 07:39 PM (gjvwR)

137 Not cheap, but, quality never is.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at February 21, 2021 07:30 PM (2SdPm)

I love great leather. The really good stuff is expensive, but also you have to wait a long time. Some of my faves are Bulmann Gun Leather, R.L. Graham, Allesi, and Sparks. I think some or most of those might be out of business these days. I could be wrong about that but the hand crafted stuff is a fickle business. There may be others nowadays that are the best at what they do.

Posted by: Quint at February 21, 2021 07:39 PM (Veofh)

138 In the winter I carry in a shoulder holster a lot - I have several similar generic ones from the Army-surplus store, very adjustable, all straps and velcro, one is permanently set up for the J-frame, with the mag pouches full of speed-strips, another for a 1911 with the 8 round Wilson mags, and a third one in reserve for whatever.
A beautiful Galco shoulder-rig for the 629 that I only wore once ... the leather is treated with some powerfully smelly oil or other that Mrs Eez cannot tolerate in the same room with her. SAD ! that was probably the most I ever spent on a holster ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at February 21, 2021 07:39 PM (AKJpt)

139 Ladyl, those targets say that assailant will not bother you again.

Posted by: Braenyard, Patriot dog at February 21, 2021 07:39 PM (UjxYw)

140 I'll chime in on the trigger pull - because I still suck at it.

I have been dry firing my wife's S&W 9mm a lot while not aiming - just using a blank spot on the wall.

The more gently I try to "squeeze" the trigger, the more I observe the front sight wobble before the sear releases. My other option seems to be a very mild jerk when I try to "squeeze" in a more fluid motion.

Practice only makes perfect, if you are attempting to practice the correct motion!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at February 21, 2021 07:40 PM (tkyK5)

141 Posted by: itsacookbook at February 21, 2021 07:38 PM (yPxXc)
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Howdy and welcome to the Gun Thread!

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 07:40 PM (MVjcR)

142 #129 Hoof sock off!

Posted by: andycanuck at February 21, 2021 07:40 PM (d6he9)

143 Like 70 degrees. Today. Tomorrow its 80.

Posted by: blaster at February 21, 2021 07:38 PM (Ef23Y)
I live in CO and right now I hate you. (not really) But you know what I mean.

Posted by: Old Blue - Round Headed Bald Kid at February 21, 2021 07:40 PM (VNmG1)

144 72 Posted by: andycanuck at February 21, 2021 07:23 PM (d6he9)

I am banned, happily.

Right around the inauguration I expressed a heartfelt "thank you" to Mike in San Diego and a few other Chichi Jima NeverTrump Never Dies and mocked Driscoll for his frippery.

As an added bonus I also mocked the hell out of Mary Katherine Ham for being quite literally an Obama fluffer.

I suspect, strongly that a bunch of people who frequented the place have had enough. Salem needs to be made to feel deep financial and social pain for their position on promoting idiots and Mister Softees at the expense of actual classical liberal thinkers. I am not bothered at being banned there, and I will *never* ask for reinstatement like I did here.

My goal being there such as it was was to whip the conservative coalition, and you will recall for months I was courteous to all but the most ardent NTs asking for unity because what would be empowered would be horrific if able to get power. Glenn's response to COVID had me soul searching about his utility for the right anyway. He is a Libertine Transhumanist who is slowly devolving into a Liberaltarian.

Glad to see you.

Posted by: sven at February 21, 2021 07:40 PM (Lzpvj)

145 Hello, Weasel. Hello, Ladyl. Say hi to shibumi for me.

Posted by: hogmartin at February 21, 2021 07:40 PM (t+qrx)

146 Kinda gub thread related. Saw a bunch of deer in the feilds eating on the way back home today. 1680 mile round trip, Friday-to-Sunday. Hu tsville, AL -to- Regan, TX.

Mom is good to go again with heat, power, and bottled water until she turn her service back on out at the highway. She did that on S7nday night and drained her house so no burst pipes *crosses fingers*

Thank you all for yoir safe trip, healthy mom, and minimal issues prayers. They truly helped me get through this.

Asking to learn - when one 18 wheeler pulls out in front of you, with less than a 2 second gap between his trailer, and yoir frnt bumper, but no one insight behind you for a mile. Then passes another trucka maybe 1 foot per mile of speed advantage. Is he the asshoe or is it just me? Because this was a recurring theme both days.

Posted by: BifBewalski - wish I could at February 21, 2021 07:41 PM (VcFUs)

147 139 Ladyl, those targets say that assailant will not bother you again.
Posted by: Braenyard, Patriot dog at February 21, 2021 07:39 PM (UjxYw)


Well that's good!

Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist at February 21, 2021 07:42 PM (TdMsT)

148 Dangit.

Also, the only place i gpt side eyed for open carrying all turee days, was a wallyworld in freaking waco of all places. What the eff has happend to my great state of texas?

Posted by: BifBewalski - forgot to change the nic to an on topic nic at February 21, 2021 07:42 PM (VcFUs)

149 Thank you, BC. I'm a rank beginner.
Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist at February 21, 2021 07:33 PM (TdMsT)

Nope. A beginner has never shot before. You're beyond that now.

Low left is typical for right handed folks. Assuming you've got the basics of sight alignment down, it's either grip or trigger pull.
I ran into a bad case of the shanks myself two years ago. My grip was solid but I was pulling the trigger down and left. Like pulling towards my left chesticle. That was pulling the front sight down and left too, which caused my shanks.
Once I started working on a flat pull, straight back with that accusatory finger, the gun barrel quit moving on me. Just lazy trigger. Also happens when you rapid fire.

Try the dry fire expertise and pay attention to if your trigger finger is moving back straight or if you're pulling down left. Even the smallest amount translates to a wobbly front end.

If your finger pull is flat, check your grip.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 21, 2021 07:42 PM (rdbLX)

150 On a more serious and gun thread note.

I am giving serious thought to getting back into blackpowder with Navy colts and Remington 58 carbines.

I get the sneaking suspicion they are going to defacto outlaw ammo.

Posted by: sven at February 21, 2021 07:42 PM (Lzpvj)

151 Gubs! Thanks Weasel.

Grump earlier today posted a link to photos of 2 CZ-83s and a Beretta, he said he was thinking of refinishing them. I know zip/bupkis about refinishing, he said he was considering browning and cold bluing, I think. Maybe he's here and I missed it or he'll show up to discuss. CZ-83s are sweet little guns.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 21, 2021 07:43 PM (OTzUX)

152 Posted by: rhomboid at February 21, 2021 07:43 PM (OTzUX)
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You bet. Good to see you rhomboid!

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 07:44 PM (MVjcR)

153 #144 Thank you, Sven. I think the others self-exiled over the same reasons. I only returned when Glenn dropped the Amazon links; and not having seen a Bernstein link in a long while. You're missed.

Posted by: andycanuck at February 21, 2021 07:44 PM (d6he9)

154 I will ask Saint John Moses Browning of Utah about this when I see him at that big range in the sky.
Posted by: Eromero at February 21, 2021 07:39 PM


Wearing a ... 9mm ... Glock?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 21, 2021 07:45 PM (DMUuz)

155 I'm a broken record so forgive me, but blackpowder pistols are so much dang fun.

Posted by: Lysenkos Bagged Lettuce, 100% abortion free and only tested for safety using abortions at February 21, 2021 07:45 PM (1+b9Z)

156 Two other quick notes:

Ed Brown has a trade-in going right now for magazines; if you have any crap 1911 magazines laying around, send them in for Ed Brown 8 round mags, $10 for stainless and $15 for black nitride.

Also AltonJackson and I just took number three out of six practical pistol courses at Huron Valley guns. This one was shooting and moving, before that was target focus shooting (both eyes open). First one was draw from concealment and fire, with failure drills. If you've only done the CCW class and range shooting, getting some instruction and practice in practical draw-and-fire is like night and day.

Posted by: hogmartin at February 21, 2021 07:45 PM (t+qrx)

157 I ordered a container of Bumblin Bear Grease from October Country to try as a patch lube. Like most patched round ball shooters, I am always on the lookout for an effective patch lube. I currently use Hoppe's 9 black Plus black powder lube and cleaner. (This is NOT the same as their regular cleaner.) It works great but bear grease is an old time ingredient and I wanted to see how it performs.

Experimenting with different materials is part of the fun of using traditional muzzleloaders.

Posted by: JTB at February 21, 2021 07:45 PM (7EjX1)

158
I am giving serious thought to getting back into blackpowder with Navy colts and Remington 58 carbines.

I get the sneaking suspicion they are going to defacto outlaw ammo.
Posted by: sven at February 21, 2021 07:42 PM (Lzpvj)

I've been thinking the same thing. Must be Horde Mind again.

Posted by: BifBewalski - what a terriboe thing to say! at February 21, 2021 07:45 PM (VcFUs)

159 Another holster plug, one I got from someone here. https://www.ttgunleather.com He made me an IWB for my Sig P290 with factory laser module. He didn't have a mold for the laser but I sent him mine and he did a great job.

Posted by: Oddbob at February 21, 2021 07:46 PM (qc+VF)

160 Had a nice little leather holster (OWB, thumb-break) made for my Colt Magnum Carry by a guy in FL, forget the name. Very nicely done. Don't carry, except for duty days at the range, so it doesn't get much use (I've taken to carrying my CZ-83 most of the time on those days).

Was mulling getting a shoulder holster for the 1911, just for giggles. A re-enactor gear site has nice reproductions of the WWII one.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 21, 2021 07:46 PM (OTzUX)

161 Bif, I drove OTR for about 20 years and my number one goal was to be safe and courteous. I got out about 1998. The drivers I see now are neither and it bothers the heck out of me.

Posted by: Old Blue - Round Headed Bald Kid at February 21, 2021 07:46 PM (VNmG1)

162
If your finger pull is flat, check your grip.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 21, 2021 07:42 PM (rdbLX)


I will remember this.

I need minor surgery on the palms of both hands. My problem most likely affects pulling the trigger smoothly. And I don't plan to get the surgery any time soon!

Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist at February 21, 2021 07:46 PM (TdMsT)

163 I would point out that trigger pull weight is something that should be considered when purchasing a gun. As a female besides having small hands and short fingers some handguns to me have way too heavy of a trigger pull. The tougher the pull the more you struggle with muzzle flip and having your wrist turn etc.

Posted by: Jen the original at February 21, 2021 07:46 PM (8j+aw)

164 Glen still has a website? Who knew?

Posted by: ck at February 21, 2021 07:47 PM (iBg56)

165 I'm going to respectfully disagree with this. If I toss you a tennis ball and say "squeeze this," what are you going to do? Probably exert pressure with your thumb and all four fingers. Instead, once you have a firm grip (but not a death grip) on the gun, the only motion you want is with the index finger. I suggest that instead of thinking "squeeze" or "pull," think "click" like clicking a mouse button. Not too slow, not too fast, just a smooth, steady, positive motion.
Posted by: Oddbob

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Ex-ex and I were just discussing this, re: dime/washer drills in basic training.

Pushing an elevator button is also a good analogy.

Awesome thread as always, Weasel.

Protonmail is an excellent choice, imho.

Posted by: SMH at February 21, 2021 07:47 PM (JKRhe)

166 > Littleton city council passes onerous regs for gun stores in the city. Pretty harsh regulations.



I'm starting to despise Colorado

those regs have one purpose: to put gun stores out of business

Posted by: DB- just DB at February 21, 2021 07:47 PM (iTXRQ)

167 Weasel, I do have a confession - I bought a digital scale. Nice little Lyman unit, with a 100 gram zeroing weight.
It makes the bullet-weighing easier. And it gave me a check on my RCBS balance beam.

Posted by: RI Red at February 21, 2021 07:48 PM (TigTd)

168 Is low left for a right handed shooter a weak left stabilizing hand?

Posted by: Ben Had at February 21, 2021 07:48 PM (9ZsDn)

169 Today in Central Texas it hit a high of 72. All the snow and ice in my area is gone. Still low water pressure and if it falls further may end up with a boil water order.

For holsters I carry my Sig P365 in a Don Hume holster. Oklahoma company and very nice leather goods.

Posted by: Aviator at February 21, 2021 07:49 PM (HQ9Sl)

170 153 Posted by: andycanuck at February 21, 2021 07:44 PM (d6he9)

The kept right is in for a shock, I had a long talk with my best friend here in Louisiana today. "Let go," was the conclusion. The "good left" has gained the ring of power humoring their nuts relying on the right to be the "bad guy" and keep the rails from falling off western civ. Let go, take your hands off the steering wheel, take care of your family and friends and be entertained when it is the "good left" who finally has to explain to the people they have taught to murder people who say "no" that "MATH" is real.

I lost, it is taking time to accept but once I have made my peace with it I will be more free than I have been in 30+ years of fighting these morons.

I started with nothing, and I can be happy with little. Generation Commiecrat cannot be happy when handed literally hundreds of thousands in loans to go party at dumbed down schools.

One of our two groups will walk away from the coming wreck smiling and it won't be them.

Posted by: sven at February 21, 2021 07:49 PM (Lzpvj)

171 Reminds me of funny story too.

I chased a low left shooting pattern many moons ago. Over and over, grouping was low and left. I knew it had to be my grip or my trigger pull. I worked my grip over and over. Worked the trigger pull. Ran through hundreds of rounds and still, low left.

On the way out, saw the smitty was running a sale on gun cleaning and inspection. Figured I'd let him clean the gun up and give it a once over.

Pick it up a few days later and he asks me if I knew my sights were off.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 21, 2021 07:49 PM (rdbLX)

172 Stogie complete. Back inside. It's cold out there!

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 07:49 PM (MVjcR)

173 Seeing that Winchester Model of 1907 makes me automatically think of Captain Frank Hamer.

Are you sure RancherBob isn't really RangerBob?

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at February 21, 2021 07:49 PM (bAe71)

174 18 I'm going to find where all you asshoes go canoeing and get some diving gear and salvage all those gubs.

I'll be the best-armed sumbitch
Posted by: ghost of hallelujah

Missouri River between Craig and Ulm. You'll have bttr luck just fishing with a decent rod and some salmon flies after a good hatch

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at February 21, 2021 07:49 PM (Iw46i)

175 guns!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Logan Tiberius Edwards (2012-2021) at February 21, 2021 07:50 PM (uxJPn)

176 @eromero, quint, I needed a holster for my 4" 686 plus, and the ttgunleather web site didn't list it. I contacted the owner of ttgunleather, can't remember his name, he got back to me and said, "No problem, should have been listed as an option, I must have forgotten."

I had the holster in about 4 weeks.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at February 21, 2021 07:50 PM (2SdPm)

177 164 Posted by: ck at February 21, 2021 07:47 PM (iBg56)

I remember when Ed Morrissey was a semi-sane Minisoota blogger who helped unearth prairie malfeasance in Canada.

I think quite literally the right commentariat was either bought or told "this is the way it is" back in 2008-2009.

Literally.

Posted by: sven at February 21, 2021 07:50 PM (Lzpvj)

178 hogmartin, you are correct. I've done only a bit of formal shoot/move instruction, but my former Navy SEAL buddy provided lots of informal training on slow days at the range, where are both ROs (he's moved to TX now). We'd set up target stands etc as "walls", and work on basics, including reloading from cover, using steel and paper targets.

He and I enjoyed a virtual cigar smoke session yesterday via smart phone. It was 75 here today, felt low 80s in the sun, ridiculous. One more day of it tomorrow, hope to go swimming or a long hike.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 21, 2021 07:50 PM (OTzUX)

179 Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist at February 21, 2021 07:46 PM (TdMsT)
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Dupuytren's?

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 07:50 PM (MVjcR)

180 sven, yes, black powder is a good move. Maybe even throw in flintlock options -- percussion cap availability could go the way of primers.

Remember primers?

Posted by: callsign claymore at February 21, 2021 07:51 PM (B5IGS)

181 I keep forgetting, and go on jabbering about the holster collection:


Those are great targets, Ladyl !

if I shot those under my normal range procedures I would think they were just fine !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at February 21, 2021 07:51 PM (AKJpt)

182 Posted by: RI Red at February 21, 2021 07:48 PM (TigTd)
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oh dear.

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 07:51 PM (MVjcR)

183 I was pulling for the Colt Navy rather than the Peacemaker on the art or morning thread last week myself; and a Scottish ram's head butt steel pistol for flintlock.

Posted by: andycanuck at February 21, 2021 07:51 PM (d6he9)

184 I think the ammo shortages are because a lot of unserious people (present company excluded) are buying guns and ammo, many for the first time.
Most of us responsible conservative types have been armed for most of our adult lives.
I have always considered it an obligation.

Posted by: navybrat, semper paratus at February 21, 2021 07:51 PM (w7KSn)

185 On the way out, saw the smitty was running a sale on gun cleaning and inspection. Figured I'd let him clean the gun up and give it a once over.

Pick it up a few days later and he asks me if I knew my sights were off.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 21, 2021 07:49 PM (rdbLX)


At least you found the problem.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at February 21, 2021 07:51 PM (808UL)

186 173 Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at February 21, 2021 07:49 PM (bAe71)

It was an extremely controllable intermediate rifle that *should* have been where we were looking for a battle rifle.

That it was not is a testament to the US Army ordnance branch, f*cking the Infantry since 1776.

Posted by: sven at February 21, 2021 07:51 PM (Lzpvj)

187 Posted by: SMH at February 21, 2021 07:47 PM (JKRhe)
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Hey there! Thanks!

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 07:52 PM (MVjcR)

188 Most of us responsible conservative types have been armed for most of our adult lives.
I have always considered it an obligation.
Posted by: navybrat

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This^.

Too bad our guns were lost in the Mississippi.

Posted by: SMH at February 21, 2021 07:52 PM (JKRhe)

189 172 Stogie complete. Back inside. It's cold out there!

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 07:49 PM


Flyover country thanks you Weasel for breaking the icy grip of the polar vortex - one stogie at a time!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at February 21, 2021 07:52 PM (tkyK5)

190 183 Posted by: andycanuck at February 21, 2021 07:51 PM (d6he9)

I think the 7.5 inch Navy is the most beautiful handgun I have ever handled.

The balance and pointability of it are amazing.

Posted by: sven at February 21, 2021 07:53 PM (Lzpvj)

191
Posted by: hogmartin at February 21, 2021 07:45 PM

The Ed Brown mags functioned very well in the RIA 1911, other than needing a hydraulic press to load the mags (when Mr.Brown says that have a "heavy duty spring" the man ain't shittin' you). By the end of the evening the mag springs had softened a bit (or my thumb got tougher)

Seconded on draw & fire and move & shoot training

Posted by: AltonJackson at February 21, 2021 07:53 PM (aSDzn)

192 Posted by: Aviator at February 21, 2021 07:49 PM (HQ9Sl)
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Howdy Aviator!

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 07:53 PM (MVjcR)

193 Interesting book "Advanced Gunsmithing" by W. F. Vickery, from 1940:

https://tinyurl.com/1o8rfjgy

And as the result of a special deal negotiated by Gun Thread Executive Producer Weasel Dog, it's free to participants of this Thread.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 21, 2021 07:53 PM (DMUuz)

194 180 Posted by: callsign claymore at February 21, 2021 07:51 PM (B5IGS)

Yeah, another possibility would be a snaplock with a lighter flint mechanism.

Of course in a jam you could always go with matchlocks.

Posted by: sven at February 21, 2021 07:54 PM (Lzpvj)

195 shoot that gudarm snow

Posted by: vmom WWRS What Would Rush Say at February 21, 2021 07:54 PM (nUhF0)

196 Dupuytren's?
Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 07:50 PM (MVjcR)


Yes--mild in right hand and worse in left land. Last time I got the steroid shots I got severe tachycardia. Ugh. What's weird is I have no arthritis at all.

Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist at February 21, 2021 07:55 PM (TdMsT)

197 Only two interesting guns at the range this week, on duty day.

A Model 1873, production year 1908. Beautiful. 44-40. Belongs to one of my fellow ROs, shot his reloads. Barely any felt recoil.

The other was a nickel-plated S&W Model 19 snub-nose, former Border Patrol officer had it. The blued version of the 19 snub is one of the only gunz on my list, but the nickel one was purty.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 21, 2021 07:55 PM (OTzUX)

198 Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 21, 2021 07:53 PM (DMUuz)
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Hoping to get some video this week at the farm if I can remember how to get down there.

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 07:55 PM (MVjcR)

199 The Ed Brown mags functioned very well in the RIA 1911, other than needing a hydraulic press to load the mags (when Mr.Brown says that have a "heavy duty spring" the man ain't shittin' you). By the end of the evening the mag springs had softened a bit (or my thumb got tougher)

Seconded on draw & fire and move & shoot training
Posted by: AltonJackson at February 21, 2021 07:53 PM (aSDzn


No shit! I bought four of his for my EB 45 and I swear he puts car springs in them.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 21, 2021 07:55 PM (rdbLX)

200 That recent shootout that happened in Metairie LA apparently came about because a newbie walked in with a loaded gun in his hand, which everyone born since last night knows you just don't do that. The staff told him to put it away and I guess he didn't feel like being told anything...

Posted by: navybrat, semper paratus at February 21, 2021 07:56 PM (w7KSn)

201
Those are great targets, Ladyl !

if I shot those under my normal range procedures I would think they were just fine !
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at February 21, 2021 07:51 PM (AKJpt)


OMG. That's so nice of you to say.

Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist at February 21, 2021 07:56 PM (TdMsT)

202 As we all know, ammo is tough to find, especially at reasonable prices. Even black powder weapons are scarce. But I still find deals for round ball once in a while. The last two weeks I've received a few hundred each of .457 and .310 balls.

The .457 is the size used for my favorite cap and ball revolvers: the Ruger Old Army and the EMF Rogers and Spenser. The .310 round ball is used for 32 caliber muzzleloaders, rifles and pistols, and for mild loads in modern 30 caliber rifles. More on that below.

Posted by: JTB at February 21, 2021 07:56 PM (7EjX1)

203 AltonJackson, I ran three loads through mine today with no issues. I left them loaded since Wednesday so they weren't too hard to load this time. They seat a lot better than the eight round Kimbers, for sure.

Posted by: hogmartin at February 21, 2021 07:56 PM (t+qrx)

204 200 Posted by: navybrat, semper paratus at February 21, 2021 07:56 PM (w7KSn)

Life is full of IQ checks, that person failed a big one.

You are *always* outgunned at a gun shop.

Posted by: sven at February 21, 2021 07:57 PM (Lzpvj)

205 Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist at February 21, 2021 07:55 PM (TdMsT)
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I have it in both hands too. *palmbump*

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 07:57 PM (MVjcR)

206 First, shooting report, then I'll read the content and comments. Feel free to skip.

Shot IDPA with Lazy Messenger yesterday. I used my CZ P-07 with the Kadet adapter. Because shooting .22 means I can do an IDPA match without spending $130 in ammo...

Though I did use some CCI Mini-mags, just to be sure of no dud loads. And sure enough, though I had two light primer strikes, both rounds fired when I pulled the trigger again.

What did we learn? Well you can do most of a match with .22, though the steel targets usually didn't fall....sometimes they did. From .22 lr. Eye opening. I missed a few far shots trying for head hits, but on the whole, I'm happy with my performance. My Mozambique drills paid off, in particular. Didn't get Disqualified, I showed up and only got in a little trouble when the match ran late Call that a win too.

Seriously if you have the ability, buy a CZ 75 or P-07 and get a kadet adapter. It's like using the same full sized gun, only using .22 ammo. Can't praise that combo enough.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Logan Tiberius Edwards (2012-2021) at February 21, 2021 07:57 PM (uxJPn)

207 Yeah, another possibility would be a snaplock with a lighter flint mechanism.
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Like in Lord Kalvan of Otherwhen!

Posted by: andycanuck at February 21, 2021 07:58 PM (d6he9)

208 Asking to learn - when one 18 wheeler pulls out in front of you, with less than a 2 second gap between his trailer, and yoir frnt bumper, but no one insight behind you for a mile. Then passes another trucka maybe 1 foot per mile of speed advantage. Is he the asshoe or is it just me? Because this was a recurring theme both days.
Posted by: BifBewalski - wish I could at February 21, 2021 07:41 PM (VcFUs)


In a case like that, the trucker is the asshole. I don't blame them when there's a whole line of traffic coming up because then they have to let off and trying to get 80,000 pounds back up to speed again is tough. It's too bad most semis have their engines governed for a top speed of 70 mph.

Posted by: That Guy What Always Says Yeah Buddy TM at February 21, 2021 07:58 PM (R5lpX)

209 Duncanthrax @ 154- Heh. No, I will probably dress more formally with a .45acp 1911 in leather on right hip, if I have time before muster that is. I used to have the webgear but it just went somewhere...over the years. Can see it now..'Chief Eromero! Where is your issued webgear?'

Posted by: Eromero at February 21, 2021 07:59 PM (gjvwR)

210 Oh, Range report: None!

However, this weekend is a Garand shoot. Last one I shot, I did well prone and seated but, off-hand really cost me.

This time around, I've identified a couple of things, that, if I control them while shooting off-hand, it should help. Hopefully, I don't do better at off-hand and drop the ball prone and seated!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at February 21, 2021 07:59 PM (2SdPm)

211 I have it in both hands too. *palmbump*
Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 07:57 PM (MVjcR)


I would never have guessed!

Did you have surgery or do you get the steroid shots?

Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist at February 21, 2021 08:00 PM (TdMsT)

212 Is low left for a right handed shooter a weak left stabilizing hand?
Posted by: Ben Had at February 21, 2021 07:48 PM


It's often the result of tightening your fingers and/or jerking or slapping the trigger.

Or, in my case, using most Glocks.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 21, 2021 08:00 PM (DMUuz)

213 Ben Had, the "diagnostic" targets indicate something for that pattern that Ladyl has (and which I also have), think it's gripping too tight/too much finger on the trigger (I should know by know, duh). A very common pattern for right-handed shooters shooting semi-autos, in my experience. My "groups" tend to end up as one large ragged hole southwest of the bullseye, often fairly close. So I don't worry about it that much.

In practical shooting situations, such as steels matches, I hit the target, which is a fairly practical equivalent of "real life" situations, at least in terms of getting the job done (putting rounds on target).

Posted by: rhomboid at February 21, 2021 08:00 PM (OTzUX)

214 202 Posted by: JTB at February 21, 2021 07:56 PM (7EjX1)

Yeah I think smelters are going to be a "thing" soon, I could also see people making raids for expired car batteries in the not so distant future.

The donk "plan" is to use a combination of taxation and the EPA to outlaw shooting from a practical standpoint.

Which is "a-okay" (not really) but will lead to a sudden renewal in cutlery, and archery and crossbowmanship.

There will be a landmark US Supreme Court Case on the right to self-defense, Donkey party will argue that self-defense is an Anglo Saxon racial supremacy ideal and we must all be willing to endure even death as a "collective" group to make up for past sins.

It is immoral, unconstitutional, and unjust I support the natural right for self-preservation for all just people.

I lost the argument I think.

Posted by: sven at February 21, 2021 08:00 PM (Lzpvj)

215 >>Howdy Aviator!
Posted by: Weasel

A good evening to you sir!

Posted by: Aviator at February 21, 2021 08:00 PM (HQ9Sl)

216 Change of subject - has anyone put a folding stock on their M-4gery?

Posted by: RI Red at February 21, 2021 08:01 PM (TigTd)

217 Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist at February 21, 2021 08:00 PM (TdMsT)
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Neither - it's not really bothering me yet.

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 08:01 PM (MVjcR)

218 By the way, weasel, how is your ankle? Still having to watch things or are you pretty much back up and running? Or, sauntering, as the case may be.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at February 21, 2021 08:02 PM (2SdPm)

219 I picked up some handguns to repair and restore this week. I don't think they will need much work. Mostly refinishing.

If anyone knows the script on the one CZ83, please let me know.

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmUpCvKy

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 21, 2021 08:02 PM (3aLWR)

220 216 Posted by: RI Red at February 21, 2021 08:01 PM (TigTd)

Can only be done with a piston upper unless things have changed.

I am deciding whether I like the AR-180 setup more than a Piston AR-15 one. The AR-180 is a fascinating weapon. It is like a Stoner 63 and an AR had a baby.

Posted by: sven at February 21, 2021 08:03 PM (Lzpvj)

221 Neither - it's not really bothering me yet.
Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 08:01 PM (MVjcR)


I can still hold a tennis racket , which is all I care about.

Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist at February 21, 2021 08:03 PM (TdMsT)

222 >>Yes--mild in right hand and worse in left land. Last time I got the steroid shots I got severe tachycardia. Ugh. What's weird is I have no arthritis at all.
Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist

There is an injectable medication for that now. Xiaflex. It's not a steroid.

Posted by: Aviator at February 21, 2021 08:03 PM (HQ9Sl)

223 Had trouble hitting the 10" steel plate @100 yds with the M1 carbine this week, and real trouble hitting the 6" plate. Not much better with the S&W M&P .22 pistol. But still fun.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 21, 2021 08:04 PM (OTzUX)

224 Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at February 21, 2021 08:02 PM (2SdPm)
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I'm more of a prancer!

Thanks for asking - it's doing great.

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 08:04 PM (MVjcR)

225 Content answers on holsters:
I am a large mammal, some days bordering on fat, so I always carry OWB (outside waist band) or otherwise called a 'belt holster' on some sites. Typically, I prefer a 4 o'clock with an FBI cant that has the butt forward slightly. My drawstroke usually has me taking a step back with my strong leg to get into a better stance for mobility or fighting.

My favorite style are leather with thumbbreak snaps for retention. I have owned kydex, I just don't trust it. I don't endorse the Serpa style that require your trigger finger to depress a bar or button

Favorite brands are Don Hume, Galco, Desantis, Bianchi and Kramer. There are other good gun leather makers, like Milt Sparks, or Andrews Custom Leather but I haven't spent the cash on them.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Logan Tiberius Edwards (2012-2021) at February 21, 2021 08:04 PM (uxJPn)

226 Serious note on AR-15 zeroing:

The A2 rear sight drum is neat and all, but if you can estimate range and shoot well enough to actually make good use of it, then you already know how to zero for it.

As a practical matter, it's obsolescent; a "no expense spared" AR build with modern equipment will frequently not even have irons, let alone is anyone worrying about dialing mechanical elevation on them. If you're a new AR shooter using 1x optics or irons, I strongly recommend zeroing at 50 yards for 5.56mm. That will give you a 50yard/200m zero with most common ball ammo and land your rounds within ~3" or less of point of aim out to about 250 yards. For example, that's about sufficient to hit something clay pigeon sized.

If you have an AKM pattern rifle (or FAL or whatever), you'll want to stick to the OEM instructions, those sights may have some additional wrinkles.

Posted by: someguy at February 21, 2021 08:04 PM (BaGvt)

227
There is an injectable medication for that now. Xiaflex. It's not a steroid.
Posted by: Aviator at February 21, 2021 08:03 PM (HQ9Sl)


I'll ask about that for sure.

Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist at February 21, 2021 08:04 PM (TdMsT)

228 Oh. Later this week I have to go pick up my two(!) Mossberg MVPs (Patrol and Scout).

Weasel, dunno where Weasel acres is exactly but I have an FFL in Mechanicsville who does transfers cheap.

I can send some info your way if you want it.

Posted by: blaster at February 21, 2021 08:04 PM (Ef23Y)

229 "I think the 7.5 inch Navy is the most beautiful handgun I have ever handled.

The balance and pointability of it are amazing.
Posted by: sven"
*****
Bill Hickock thought do, too.

Posted by: Cosda at February 21, 2021 08:05 PM (8Lslt)

230 Mark Andrew,

Thank you for the advice. The P-07 is on a very short list for next buy.

Posted by: callsign claymore at February 21, 2021 08:05 PM (B5IGS)

231 I can still hold a tennis racket , which is all I care about.
Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist at February 21, 2021 08:03 PM (TdMsT)
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And a Glock!

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 08:05 PM (MVjcR)

232 Grump and/or rhomboid, Cold blue is a fair finish with Oxopho-Blue probably at the top of the chain if you do not care so much about the color of the bluing. No rust protection and if the alloy varies in the firearm, it will get wonky coloring almost resembling case hardening or it won't take. It is really a stain on the steel and unless spot touchups, you will need to strip the finish.

Parkerizing is the easiest and parkerizing is a good substrate if you later want to paint it with Durocoat paint that resembles bluing. There are two different parkerizing formulas--one gives a blackish finish and the other a grayish green. The one two finish gives an excellent protective covering for firearms that will put up with hard use. Most labor intensive and prettiest is rust bluing and it does give some protection and you can darn near tune your hot bluing recipe to whatever color you want.

Hot caustic bluing is better left to pros as is plating either electroless nickel plating or hard chrome. The last one is one of the most durable finishes for a firearm with electroless nickel coming in second. Nitrocarburized finishes require a pro shop (Tennifer and Melonite are both this)

Posted by: whig at February 21, 2021 08:05 PM (pO7gM)

233 I'm more of a prancer!

Thanks for asking - it's doing great.
Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 08:04 PM (MVjcR)
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With just a hint of sashay?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at February 21, 2021 08:05 PM (2SdPm)

234 In practical shooting situations, such as steels matches, I hit the target, which is a fairly practical equivalent of "real life" situations, at least in terms of getting the job done (putting rounds on target).
Posted by: rhomboid at February 21, 2021 08:00 PM (OTzUX


Yeah, this can't be stated enough. We practice to hit that little black dot, but that's only so we improve our chances of putting as many rounds somewhere on target in RWA.

Half inch groupings in real shootings are pretty rare unless you're danger close or Tom Cruise with some CGI backup.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 21, 2021 08:05 PM (rdbLX)

235 Ah, I forgot, Grump had a language question as well. My best guess was to confirm his - Arabic. But the informal version of a few other languages could look like the writing on his CZ-83. Obviously not a European language.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 21, 2021 08:05 PM (OTzUX)

236 Greetings!

No range report. Split a shipment of ammo with SiL. Still have more than my body weight remaining.

Posted by: Zeera Hunkering down here, Boss at February 21, 2021 08:06 PM (RLANM)

237 204 and of course Mama who was not there is on social media telling everyone that her son was murdered by the gun store employees.

Posted by: Jen the original at February 21, 2021 08:06 PM (8j+aw)

238 I carry IWB, crossdraw with I'd guess is a 10 degree forward cant. Makes for a smooth quick draw without a lot of arm flailing opening a coat. Plus my coats and shirts have snaps instead of buttons--no hangups getting TO the weapon. Lastly I don't hurry, but concentrate on smooth. Repetitions bring the speed.

Posted by: irongrampa at February 21, 2021 08:07 PM (KATBx)

239 Weasel, dunno where Weasel acres is exactly but I have an FFL in Mechanicsville who does transfers cheap.

I can send some info your way if you want it.
Posted by: blaster at February 21, 2021 08:04 PM (Ef23Y)
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Due west of Richmond in Appomattox County. Thanks - it's been a while since I bought a gun!

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 08:07 PM (MVjcR)

240 I can guarantee that the one thing that gun store didn't have was lots and lots of video cameras wired into a security system.

Posted by: Lysenkos Bagged Lettuce, 100% abortion free and only tested for safety using abortions at February 21, 2021 08:08 PM (1+b9Z)

241 LadyL I am sorry to hear about your tachycardia.

I have SVT tachycardia, I use metoprolol to control it.

I made my boss laugh because he is amazed at how fast I limp for being a gimped out wide body....I explained to him I know what 376 beats a minute feels like.

Posted by: sven at February 21, 2021 08:08 PM (Lzpvj)

242 With just a hint of sashay?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at February 21, 2021 08:05 PM (2SdPm)
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Only when absolutely necessary.

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 08:08 PM (MVjcR)

243 "Yeah I think smelters are going to be a "thing" soon, I could also see people making raids for expired car batteries in the not so distant future.

The donk "plan" is to use a combination of taxation and the EPA to outlaw shooting from a practical standpoint."

It is feasible to turn spent .22LR casings and lead wire into jacketed 5.56mm projectiles at home. No lead casting required.

Similarly, certain caliber pistol cases can provide usable jackets for certain other calibers.

Posted by: someguy at February 21, 2021 08:08 PM (BaGvt)

244 I have a number of rifles that take .308 diameter bullets: 30-06, 30-30, and 308. I'm fortunate that even my oldest 30 caliber, an '03 Springfield from 1917, still has a .308 bore, which surprised me.

Just for fun, I like handloading low power rounds for these rifles. You use the earlier mentioned .310 round ball thumb pressed into the case mouth over a small amount of pistol powder, typically Red Dot or Unique. Dip or brush on some Lee Liquid Alox and the chance of leading the barrel is very slight. I haven't done this for a while but wonderful accuracy out to 50 yards is possible. And I'm amused at the idea of a WW I battle rifle being suitable for squirrel hunting or, in my case, mild target work. It also makes these rifles cheap to shoot with low cost round ball and small amounts of powder.

Posted by: JTB at February 21, 2021 08:09 PM (7EjX1)

245 I am deciding whether I like the AR-180 setup more than a Piston AR-15 one. The AR-180 is a fascinating weapon. It is like a Stoner 63 and an AR had a baby.
Posted by: sven at February 21, 2021 08:03 PM (Lzpvj)

The AR-180 and 180B are sweet shooters but parts are rare for 180's and 180B's have their own issues. Nice rifles but not on par with a military grade AR. Check out StormWerkz.com for after market parts, stocks, and scope mounts.

Ar-180B's are big in Canada due to their draconian gun laws which are now going up a notch to full commie and I think they will soon be outlawed too.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 21, 2021 08:09 PM (R/m4+)

246 I too find the AR-180 and the Stoner 63 to be very interesting guns.

Posted by: ck at February 21, 2021 08:09 PM (iBg56)

247 237 Posted by: Jen the original at February 21, 2021 08:06 PM (8j+aw)

Miscreants of all hues want consequence free life and license to do whatever they will.

That REALLY is what was at stake in 2020 and an America that could not cipher that out is an America that deserves the rewards it will bring.

Posted by: sven at February 21, 2021 08:09 PM (Lzpvj)

248 Any reliable/solid/accurate accounts of the Metaire incident someone can link? I find even searching for "news" on specific items is distasteful any more, having to wade through the idiocy and garbage that crowds the public square now.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 21, 2021 08:10 PM (OTzUX)

249 Yeah, this can't be stated enough. We practice to hit that little black dot, but that's only so we improve our chances of putting as many rounds somewhere on target in RWA.

Half inch groupings in real shootings are pretty rare unless you're danger close or Tom Cruise with some CGI backup.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 21, 2021 08:05 PM (rdbLX)
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A zillion times this.

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 08:10 PM (MVjcR)

250 I'm more of a prancer!
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Are we back to deer jokes??

Posted by: andycanuck at February 21, 2021 08:10 PM (d6he9)

251 Am I the only one who noticed the mechanical sights guy had a dirty rear sight?
Jeebus... I don't clean guns often, but when I do, I don't ignore the corners.

Posted by: MkY at February 21, 2021 08:10 PM (5hF5V)

252 109 Littleton city council passes onerous regs for gun stores in the city. Pretty harsh regulations. https://tinyurl.com/1mk95996
Posted by: Old Blue - Round Headed Bald Kid at February 21, 2021 07:32 PM (VNmG1)


I'm expecting Colorado to go very bad in the near future. We Coloradoans are a tolerant bunch, which is nice during sane times, but now just means we put up with dictator-y boloney when we oughta say, "Hell, no!"

Posted by: Emmie at February 21, 2021 08:10 PM (ofYez)

253 229 Posted by: Cosda at February 21, 2021 08:05 PM (8Lslt)

His shot against Tutt was an amazing feat of marksmanship, I have tried to replicate it and found it "challenging."

I am not much of a natural pistol guy, I used to break broomsticks at 50-100 yards iron sight with rifle for fun.

Posted by: sven at February 21, 2021 08:11 PM (Lzpvj)

254 Thanks for the Gun Thread Weasel!

Posted by: DBCooper at February 21, 2021 08:11 PM (y1Mvi)

255 JTB that Alox thing is something for me to file away for the day I reload for the Mosins (if I manage to use up the pile of surplus ammo I have for them). Sounds like a neat trick to take leading out of the picture.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 21, 2021 08:12 PM (OTzUX)

256 Damn this glowbull warmening!

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at February 21, 2021 08:12 PM (CcOog)

257 Jeebus... I don't clean guns often, but when I do, I don't ignore the corners.
Posted by: MkY at February 21, 2021 08:10 PM (5hF5V)
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Ha! Absolutely. Welcome to the Gun Thread!

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 08:12 PM (MVjcR)

258 In my observations, Weasel took his chances as a gamboler.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 21, 2021 08:13 PM (DMUuz)

259 I'm going to find where all you asshoes go canoeing and get some diving gear and salvage all those gubs

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I hear tell of well fed Channel Cats

Posted by: AJ Dhuie at February 21, 2021 08:13 PM (ScS+b)

260 Oh, by the way, someone mentioned Serpa holsters up thread..those holsters are a no-go in a lot of competitions, due to no trigger guard. Too many people put their finger on the trigger when drawing, and shot themselves in the foot.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at February 21, 2021 08:13 PM (2SdPm)

261 248. The local NO papers online seem fine. There is not a lot of detail yet as the gun store employees and the bystanders involved have been told not to talk to the media while the investigation is going on.

Posted by: Jen the original at February 21, 2021 08:13 PM (8j+aw)

262 I carry back up iron sights on my platform just because I don't trust batteries to keep my little red dot lit forever. I sighted the iron so I can flip them up and look through the now dead optic.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 21, 2021 08:13 PM (rdbLX)

263 Brownells has a version of the AR-18 action.

https://bit.ly/3sje88W

It will fit a standard lower.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 21, 2021 08:13 PM (3aLWR)

264 Posted by: DBCooper at February 21, 2021 08:11 PM (y1Mvi)
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Howdy! My pleasure.

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 08:13 PM (MVjcR)

265 I get the sneaking suspicion they are going to defacto outlaw ammo.
Posted by: sven at February 21, 2021 07:42 PM (Lzpvj)

I've been thinking the same thing. Must be Horde Mind again.
Posted by: BifBewalski - what a terriboe thing to say! at February 21, 2021 07:45 PM (VcFUs)

This is why I bought a pellet rifle, mostly for practice or for degrading delicate things. Or rats. You can buy a lot of pellets for $100.

I'm getting a Ruger, we'll see how it shoots when it gets here.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Logan Tiberius Edwards (2012-2021) at February 21, 2021 08:13 PM (uxJPn)

266 Duncanthrax

Very deep. Do we even have a Trieste II to get those guns? The pressure should flatten any voids.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 21, 2021 08:14 PM (u82oZ)

267 Well, I used to post as MarkY, but I decided I loved a Ruger rifle so much I had to adopt it's name.

Posted by: MkY at February 21, 2021 08:14 PM (5hF5V)

268 I watched American Sniper with a whole new awareness today. Kyle used a slip on recoil pad on his rifle.

Posted by: Ben Had at February 21, 2021 08:14 PM (9ZsDn)

269 243 Someguy, STAY AWAY from smelting car or most other lead acid batteries. They now have calcium added to help make them low maintenance and there is not a safe home way to remove the calcium before smelting. It generates among other things arsine and stibnine gas which the Germans experimented with during WWI for poison gas shells.

Posted by: whig at February 21, 2021 08:15 PM (pO7gM)

270 Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 21, 2021 08:13 PM (DMUuz)
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REALLY only when necessary!

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 08:15 PM (MVjcR)

271 251 Am I the only one who noticed the mechanical sights guy had a dirty rear sight?
Jeebus... I don't clean guns often, but when I do, I don't ignore the corners.
Posted by: MkY at February 21, 2021 08:10 PM (5hF5V)


Now do the over oilers.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 21, 2021 08:15 PM (rdbLX)

272 And a Glock!
Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 08:05 PM (MVjcR)


Well, THAT goes without saying!

Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist at February 21, 2021 08:15 PM (TdMsT)

273 Interesting trivia from the IDPA match:
most guns ran flawlessly, except...two PPQ steel frame pistols both had multiple failures. One seemed to be a broken magazine, no idea on the other failure causes. The 1911s all ran, surprisingly, including a Kimber with 4k rounds through, according to the owner.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Logan Tiberius Edwards (2012-2021) at February 21, 2021 08:16 PM (uxJPn)

274 Now do the over oilers.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 21, 2021 08:15 PM (rdbLX)



*shifty eyes*

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 21, 2021 08:16 PM (3aLWR)

275 Primary Weapons System .308 piston AR and Adams Arms 5.56 piston AR. Sweet.

Posted by: Eromero at February 21, 2021 08:17 PM (gjvwR)

276 The handling of guns away from the firing line is the most common range problem I've observed, and the most understandable.

The safety etiquette of only uncasing and handling *at* the line, muzzle down-range of course, is obvious to those who've thought about it, but not intuitive to newbies. My range is considering adding a sign to this effect at the main entrance, after months/years of requests and complaints by ROs. I personally make a point to politely explain this to obvious newbies when they are checking in/paying.

Nobody resists or resents it - it's just not obvious common sense to all when they're starting out.

The horrific incident in LA sounds like it's on a different level, of course.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 21, 2021 08:17 PM (OTzUX)

277 Now do the over oilers.
Posted by: AlaBAMA

I thought at the instant that was his problem. Who collects lint at the sight? Who friggin' oils a SIGHT?

Posted by: MkY at February 21, 2021 08:18 PM (5hF5V)

278 Swaging bullets can be done, Fred Huntington (RCBS founder) got started post WWII using .22 LR fired shells and swaging them into open tipped varmint bullets along with dead soft lead wire. Swaging works if you either jacket the soft lead core or if you are firing low velocity and low pressure lead bullets about 750-800 fps is about top for that. Dunno about combining swaging and polycoating/HiTek coating the bullets. It would probably work.

Posted by: whig at February 21, 2021 08:18 PM (pO7gM)

279 274 Now do the over oilers.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 21, 2021 08:15 PM (rdbLX)

I'd rather oil 'er over, IYKWIM.

Posted by: Insomniac - Zhou Bai-Den Is Not My Chairman at February 21, 2021 08:18 PM (nakwk)

280 252 Posted by: Emmie at February 21, 2021 08:10 PM (ofYez)

In the 2020 Election, President Trump won 40 of Colorado's 64 counties.In New York State President Trump won 41 of New York's 62 counties.
I think it is time for Electoral College style voting in all States for Presidential and Senate races as well as for the Gubernatorial race.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at February 21, 2021 08:19 PM (Fdgdx)

281 Howdy, Insom!

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 08:19 PM (MVjcR)

282 They didn't give a description of the Metairie shooter but his name is Joshua Jamal Williams.

Posted by: C 137 at February 21, 2021 08:20 PM (2DOZq)

283 Congrats, LadyL! Looks like nice shooting to me.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at February 21, 2021 07:31 PM (l9m7l)

Thank you, BC. I'm a rank beginner.
Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist

I'm sure you smell better than THAT !

Posted by: JT at February 21, 2021 08:20 PM (arJlL)

284 Holsters. Like many here, I have a box full of "tried it - no".
Woods carrying, I do like the Safari Land positive retention. I really don't want to retrace 16 acres of snowshoeing to find a missing gub. Once in the ancient past, our whole company had to comb an area for a .38 that had slipped out of a holster on a fellow pilot's vest.
And I do like having to train to extend the trigger finger to disengage the release. Makes for good form.
Under a suit or jacket? Talon leather is fine.

Posted by: RI Red at February 21, 2021 08:21 PM (TigTd)

285 >>Yes--mild in right hand and worse in left land. Last time I got
the steroid shots I got severe tachycardia. Ugh. What's weird is I have
no arthritis at all.
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I had the surgery and it was a long time before I could use my hand again, with therapy. Need it in my left hand now and I'm debating on just living with it. I'm sure you have better insurance than the V.A. but my hand isn't anywhere near the same.

Posted by: dartist at February 21, 2021 08:21 PM (+ya+t)

286 268 I watched American Sniper with a whole new awareness today. Kyle used a slip on recoil pad on his rifle.
Posted by: Ben Had at February 21, 2021 08:14 PM (9ZsDn

I may be wrong but they showed him using a slip on cheek pad on the mk13 but the mac tac has an adjustable cheek rest on the stock

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 21, 2021 08:21 PM (rdbLX)

287 LadyL

With a tennis racket in one hand and a pistol in the other, the line judges should always rule in your favor.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 21, 2021 08:21 PM (u82oZ)

288 Another freebie:

Col. Jeff Cooper's "Principles of Personal Defense"

https://tinyurl.com/2vb3xxk7

Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 21, 2021 08:21 PM (DMUuz)

289 "Days of Thunder 2" never got made, it kinda saddens me.

Posted by: sven at February 21, 2021 08:21 PM (Lzpvj)

290 A bit more detail on the Metaire gun store event from a local tv station news feed,
https://tinyurl.com/qajhq0o3

Pretty much as I expected--shooter had ego problems.

Posted by: whig at February 21, 2021 08:22 PM (pO7gM)

291 274 Now do the over oilers.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 21, 2021 08:15 PM (rdbLX)


*shifty eyes*
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 21, 2021 08:16 PM (3aLWR)


Heh

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 21, 2021 08:22 PM (rdbLX)

292 282 Posted by: C 137 at February 21, 2021 08:20 PM (2DOZq)

https://heavy.com/news/joshua-jamal-williams/

"Play stupid games, win stupid prizes."

Posted by: sven at February 21, 2021 08:24 PM (Lzpvj)

293 He shot and killed two people in front of the store. A man and a woman. Two people from the range engaged him and the gun battle continued outside when others engaged the shooter and killed him.

Posted by: C 137 at February 21, 2021 08:24 PM (2DOZq)

294 2"55 ... "JTB that Alox thing is something for me to file away for the day I reload for the Mosins"

Hi rhomboid,
Lee Liquid Alox can be cut 5 parts water to 1 part alox, even more, and still be effective. It is what I use when tumble lubing lead bullets. It doesn't take much and coats the entire bullet. There are other bullet lubes out there but the Lee Alox has worked for me and lets me get up to 1,300 muzzle velocity without leading as long as the bullet fits correctly. And it doesn't require expensive tools to apply: a plastic ice cream tub, a little squeeze bottle to hold the diluted lube, and some wax paper to let the lube on the bullets dry. My kind of cheap and simple.

Posted by: JTB at February 21, 2021 08:24 PM (7EjX1)

295 I must sign off. Giggles will be calling for our evening chat. ThanX! all for the camaraderie, and Weasel, I'll be calling you on the morrow when I get into Alexandria. 'nite, Horde!

McGyver, out

Posted by: McGyver at February 21, 2021 08:25 PM (Iw46i)

296 290 Posted by: whig at February 21, 2021 08:22 PM (pO7gM)

I would bet the baby shoe money the idiot refused to practice range safety and was called out on it POLITELY and went nuts.

Absolute moron, like I said you are guaranteed to come up lemons in a case like this.

Posted by: sven at February 21, 2021 08:25 PM (Lzpvj)

297 Posted by: McGyver at February 21, 2021 08:25 PM (Iw46i)
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Sounds good bro!

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 08:26 PM (MVjcR)

298 Question for fellow AR geeks:

Collecting parts for a 3-Gun competition build...
Posted by: Norman Spiny at February 21, 2021 07:22 PM (68uBc)

Ping Geissele with questions about the super 42 with an intermediate length system, their customer service has been good and so have their parts quality.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Logan Tiberius Edwards (2012-2021) at February 21, 2021 08:27 PM (uxJPn)

299 293 C137, Story link above has the dead gun store employee running outside after being shot and dying in the parking lot, the deceased lady was shot by the external door. It appears the shooting mostly occurred inside because the dead murderer refused to unload his weapon.

Could be a deranged idiot committing a variant of suicide by cop. or simply someone with absent self control of any sort.

Posted by: whig at February 21, 2021 08:27 PM (pO7gM)

300 I run my range guns kind of wet because, while I don't have a sand/dust problem, I do have a humidity problem, and a long rotation period on shooters. Rifles might go 2 years between outings and pistols more so I lay it on pretty thick. I wipe down and push dry patches down the bores before use.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 21, 2021 08:27 PM (3aLWR)

301 thx for those links, duncanthrax

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at February 21, 2021 08:28 PM (AKJpt)

302 Ok folks, calling it a night. Thanks again Weasel. Hopefully in the near future I will send you pics of the rifle scope being zeroed in. Let's see how may rounds it takes. LOL

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at February 21, 2021 08:29 PM (Fdgdx)

303 If it moves, oil it.
If it rotates, grease it.
Otherwise, salute it.

Posted by: RI Red at February 21, 2021 08:29 PM (TigTd)

304 Posted by: McGyver at February 21, 2021 08:25 PM (Iw46i)
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My pleasure amigo! Goodnight!

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 08:30 PM (MVjcR)

305 300 I run my range guns kind of wet because, while I don't have a sand/dust problem, I do have a humidity problem, and a long rotation period on shooters. Rifles might go 2 years between outings and pistols more so I lay it on pretty thick. I wipe down and push dry patches down the bores before use.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 21, 2021 08:27 PM (3aLWR)


Honestly, I do the same with my long guns. I have seen some particularly oily handguns at the range though.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 21, 2021 08:31 PM (rdbLX)

306 281 Howdy, Insom!
Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 08:19 PM (MVjcR)

Howdy back, Weasel! Hope you're well, amigo.

Posted by: Insomniac - Zhou Bai-Den Is Not My Chairman at February 21, 2021 08:31 PM (nakwk)

307 300 Grump, rhomboid mentioned you were looking to refinish a couple of firearms.

Did you want to diy or have it done?

Posted by: whig at February 21, 2021 08:31 PM (pO7gM)

308 Could be a deranged idiot committing a variant of suicide by cop. or simply someone with absent self control of any sort.
Posted by: whig at February 21, 2021 08:27 PM (pO7gM)
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And I guarantee you the usual suspects will point to this incident and tell everyone this is why a psychological examination is necessary before one can legally own a gun.

I'm looking at you, Dan Crenshaw.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at February 21, 2021 08:31 PM (2SdPm)

309 That recent shootout that happened in Metairie LA...

Just SWAGging here but I wonder if that wasn't a variation on "suicide by cop."

Posted by: Oddbob at February 21, 2021 08:31 PM (qc+VF)

310 Fwiw, rock river arms dot com has uppers, lowers, and parts available and sell directly to the public. The 9mm upper is interesting.

Posted by: Lysenkos Bagged Lettuce, 100% abortion free and only tested for safety using abortions at February 21, 2021 08:31 PM (1+b9Z)

311 I run my range guns kind of wet because, while I don't have a sand/dust problem, I do have a humidity problem, and a long rotation period on shooters. Rifles might go 2 years between outings and pistols more so I lay it on pretty thick. I wipe down and push dry patches down the bores before use.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 21, 2021 08:27 PM (3aLWR)

Concur. Long wait time between shoots (6 months to 2 years) I do the same. Seems to help in the high humidity.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 21, 2021 08:31 PM (R/m4+)

312
Howdy back, Weasel! Hope you're well, amigo.
Posted by: Insomniac - Zhou Bai-Den Is Not My Chairman at February 21, 2021 08:31 PM (nakwk)
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All good here thanks. Crazy Time at work seems to be over, which helps.

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 08:32 PM (MVjcR)

313 Our local Scheels has been selling .223 Remington 55g in boxes of 20. 55 cents per round. 2 box limit per person, per visit. The bride and I have been going together 3-4 times a week. Stocking up slowly but surely.

Posted by: Muad'dib at February 21, 2021 08:32 PM (Q9w+/)

314 I guarantee Crenshaw has his eye on us.

Posted by: Lysenkos Bagged Lettuce, 100% abortion free and only tested for safety using abortions at February 21, 2021 08:32 PM (1+b9Z)

315
I guarantee Crenshaw has his eye on us.

Posted by: Lysenkos Bagged Lettuce, 100% abortion free and only tested for safety using abortions at February 21, 2021 08:32 PM


ISWYDT

Posted by: AltonJackson at February 21, 2021 08:33 PM (aSDzn)

316 They want to know my birthday. Are they going to send me a card?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 21, 2021 07:19 PM (63Dwl)
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They have several little tricks causing one to check in.
NOPE

Posted by: Braenyard, Patriot dog at February 21, 2021 08:33 PM (UjxYw)

317 Since this is the gun thread, I have a report on my Glock 36.
The 36 has a deservedly evil reputation for FTE issues in the first issue. Fanbois all about the 'nets will tell you "ur holding it rong lol" but when an experienced shooter (26 y specops) checks it at the range because you are having issues with it and after the third shot hands it back saying "Nothing worse than a gun that won't run" it's pretty clear it is the gun, not the shooter.
The fix is to change the barrel. The chamber on the first round of factory barrels is a bit tight and even though factory loaded rounds will chamber, they won't always extract. The same fanbois that say it's the shooter, not the gun, will also say they can't imagine why a barrel will fix it and will recommend against "wasting your money" on it.
At any rate, changing the barrel has caused the gun to run flawlessly for the past couple of years, so yes, changing the barrel on the first round of Glock 36's will fix them. Funny thing, the subsequent rounds of the gun work fine so I guess Glock fixed the barrels that they steadfastly refused to acknowledge there was an issue with.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at February 21, 2021 08:33 PM (CcOog)

318 Posted by: whig at February 21, 2021 08:27 PM (pO7gM)

Front of the store refers to the gun sales area. The range is in the back where most enter a side door to get to.

Posted by: C 137 at February 21, 2021 08:34 PM (2DOZq)

319 313 Our local Scheels has been selling .223 Remington 55g in boxes of 20. 55 cents per round. 2 box limit per person, per visit. The bride and I have been going together 3-4 times a week. Stocking up slowly but surely.
Posted by: Muad'dib at February 21, 2021 08:32 PM (Q9w+/)
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Smart man. If this is what you may have to do, everyone, then do it. Buy ammo.

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 08:34 PM (MVjcR)

320 The indoor range and gun store we use has said the biggest issue they have with careless gun handling is people using the restroom and leaving their gun hanging on the hook in the stall or on the tp holder or even on the sink counter. They have big signs in the restrooms reminding people to holster their firearms.

Posted by: Jen the original at February 21, 2021 08:34 PM (8j+aw)

321 In other news, the Glock 19 that shot high and left right out of the box and slowly came back down and right as the barrel heated also got a new barrel, and it now shoots flawlessly as well.
The moral to this story is...GGE is no good at buying Glocks. That's why I have Sigs now.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at February 21, 2021 08:35 PM (CcOog)

322 any form of cutting up rough in a gun store is the very definition of "deranged idiot".

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at February 21, 2021 08:35 PM (AKJpt)

323 Thanks for the thread, Weasel!
Doing that dime drill now.

Posted by: navybrat, semper paratus at February 21, 2021 08:36 PM (w7KSn)

324 The shooter's mother has already whined that her son was murdered.

Posted by: C 137 at February 21, 2021 08:36 PM (2DOZq)

325 If it doesn't move, paint it.

Posted by: DB- just DB. at February 21, 2021 08:36 PM (iTXRQ)

326 Did you want to diy or have it done?
Posted by: whig at February 21, 2021 08:31 PM (pO7gM)



Myself. I am getting pretty comfortable at cold bluing on a warm gun. In my early attempts I was disappointed in the depth, evenness, and durability of the cold blues. Now I first brown them with Birchwood Casey Plum Brown on heated metal and they blue using one of several cold blues that I have. The different alloys seem to take different blues better. Browning first seems to add durability and evenness to the final finish.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 21, 2021 08:36 PM (3aLWR)

327 The shooter's mother has already whined that her son was murdered.
Posted by: C 137

*

And just when he was getting his life back together.

Posted by: Lysenkos Bagged Lettuce, 100% abortion free and only tested for safety using abortions at February 21, 2021 08:37 PM (1+b9Z)

328 The shooter's mother has already whined that her son was murdered.
Posted by: C 137 at February 21, 2021 08:36 PM (2DOZq)

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Amazing how these people always ignore the minor fact their little boopsie killed a couple of people on the way to permanent checkout.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at February 21, 2021 08:37 PM (2SdPm)

329 Posted by: navybrat, semper paratus at February 21, 2021 08:36 PM (w7KSn)
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My pleasure navybrat! That simple drill really can help.

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 08:37 PM (MVjcR)

330 308 blake,
Most probably. The thing is my guess is this guy will have a long history of petty fighting etc. He shot the gun store guy most probably because he felt the guy disrespected him but he then did not think through that he was probably not going to live through the confrontation. It is possible that he chose to go out that way but no intelligent person would think that they would not face a lengthy stay in prison or even get the death penalty if you shot someone over a dispute over a loaded firearm at a gun range.

The nasty truth of the matter is that absent organic brain disease such as a tumor and/or acute psychosis, most murderers did not just "snap"--they had long histories of antisocial violent behavior and often a string of arrests etc for violent crimes that were often pleaded down.

Posted by: whig at February 21, 2021 08:37 PM (pO7gM)

331 Answering the holster question first - I use a Vedder IBW in 3 o'clock position with a forward cant.

Range report: I reset my scope on my RPR for prone position shooting, so I was out to the range today re-zeroing.
Thursday, I hit the range working on first shot speed and accuracy with my concealed carry followed up by some Mozambique drill work to make the head shot at the same speed as the torso shots. Then, some rifle work with a 10/22. Goal with the rifle was to put all the shots in a 2" circle at 25 yards from the standing position.

Posted by: Long Running Fool at February 21, 2021 08:38 PM (Oa5xy)

332 321 In other news, the Glock 19 that shot high and left right out of the box and slowly came back down and right as the barrel heated also got a new barrel, and it now shoots flawlessly as well.
The moral to this story is...GGE is no good at buying Glocks. That's why I have Sigs now.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at February 21, 2021 08:35 PM (CcOog)


Glocks are a mystery to me. Some people run em and swear by them. Some people have issues and turn away. I imagine that's the same for a lot of gun/shooter combos out there. Shoot what you can make work for you.

I can't make glocks work for me either.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 21, 2021 08:38 PM (rdbLX)

333
The shooter's mother has already whined that her son was murdered.

Posted by: C 137

And just when he was getting his life back together.

Posted by: Lysenkos Bagged Lettuce, 100% abortion free and only tested for safety using abortions at February 21, 2021 08:37 PM


a Grammy for the posthumously released rap album?

Posted by: AltonJackson at February 21, 2021 08:39 PM (aSDzn)

334 At the public range I used to go to, the RO was a real ass, called "Sarge". Everyone hated him. Too hard ass.
Then, on one of his days off, some idiot went off shooting through the plywood between stations, killing (I think) 4 or 5.
I'd rather have the hard-ass.

Posted by: MkY at February 21, 2021 08:39 PM (5hF5V)

335 Back to low-left. With me (RH shooter), that means anticipation/flinch.

Posted by: RI Red at February 21, 2021 08:39 PM (TigTd)

336 Posted by: Long Running Fool at February 21, 2021 08:38 PM (Oa5xy)
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Sounds like a very productive range trip!

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 08:39 PM (MVjcR)

337 Blue Springs, Mo. MDC range.

Posted by: MkY at February 21, 2021 08:40 PM (5hF5V)

338 I think it is time for Electoral College style voting in all States for Presidential and Senate races as well as for the Gubernatorial race.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at February 21, 2021 08:19 PM (Fdgdx)


We want Electoral College-style voting. We'll get universal mail-in ballots with ballot harvesting done exclusively by Democrats.

Posted by: Emmie at February 21, 2021 08:40 PM (ofYez)

339 I usually clean guns after every session. It's a necessity with black powder weapons and I carry that over to modern guns. I don't know if my approach is usual or not. Some folks regard cleaning as a horrible chore but it only takes a few minutes per piece to do a basic clean and lube.

Posted by: JTB at February 21, 2021 08:40 PM (7EjX1)

340 Got a couple milt sparks and a couple galco leather holsters. I like IWB at 4 o'clock.

Lake Michigan is deep... I'll miss my collection but did get home safe.

Posted by: Inogame at February 21, 2021 08:41 PM (+2xjH)

341 I can't make glocks work for me either.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 21, 2021 08:38 PM (rdbLX)

I can MAKE them work. I just can't get one that works right at first.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at February 21, 2021 08:41 PM (CcOog)

342 I guarantee Crenshaw has his eye on us.
Posted by: Lysenkos Bagged Lettuce

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWwGXIjxbnI

Posted by: SMH at February 21, 2021 08:41 PM (JKRhe)

343
The best pair of guns you'll see all day:

https://youtu.be/ayjx2GnQecM

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at February 21, 2021 08:42 PM (TPa/W)

344 LRF, what caliber on your Ruger Precision Rifle?

Posted by: RI Red at February 21, 2021 08:42 PM (TigTd)

345 Asking to learn - when one 18 wheeler pulls out in front of you, with less than a 2 second gap between his trailer, and yoir frnt bumper, but no one insight behind you for a mile. Then passes another trucka maybe 1 foot per mile of speed advantage. Is he the asshoe or is it just me? Because this was a recurring theme both days.
Posted by: BifBewalski -

Coming back from CA to AZ there were 3 semis obviously from the same company with the same load.
The middle one pulled out in front of me (with about 3 cars behind me, not close; but, traveling as a pack).
The slight grade made for a long follow until able to pass.
We stopped at the border for gas (AZ gas 90cheaper/gal) so we caught up to those 3 again.
Same routine, the middle one pulled out in front of me. I passed him on the right and he pulled right back in to the slow lane and allowed the (new) pack to pass.
I think they are bored and want to get people upset.

Posted by: AZ deplorable isolated at February 21, 2021 08:42 PM (gtatv)

346 The nasty truth of the matter is that absent organic brain disease such as a tumor and/or acute psychosis, most murderers did not just "snap"--they had long histories of antisocial violent behavior and often a string of arrests etc for violent crimes that were often pleaded down.
Posted by: whig at February 21, 2021 08:37 PM (pO7gM)
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You know, there is a valid point: The guy probably does have a long string of violent offenses, to the point the real question shouldn't be, "Why did he gun down a bunch of people" but, "Why wasn't he still in jail?"

I know I see a version of that here all the time. Some miscreant does some horrific crime, and, it turns out they are on parole after committing some other heinous crime. A crime for which they should have still been in jail.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at February 21, 2021 08:42 PM (2SdPm)

347 I clean and oil after every session because of the afore mentioned long rotations.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 21, 2021 08:43 PM (3aLWR)

348 The main issue is striker vs. hammer.
A hammer is a more visible cue, obviously, unless it is a concealed hammer.
I had to get used to the striker design, but I like it. I never had a failure with it. My 1911 (with a hammer) has had numerous "stovepipe" incidents.
Never on my Glock.

Posted by: navybrat, semper paratus at February 21, 2021 08:43 PM (w7KSn)

349 I think they are bored and want to get people upset.
Posted by: AZ deplorable isolated

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This is true.

Posted by: SMH at February 21, 2021 08:43 PM (JKRhe)

350 326 Grump,
Cold blues stain the metal (color varies with the trace elements added to the cold blue formula) and it depends on the porosity of the metal as to how it does along with trace elements such as nickel etc. Heat can help but the key to a good cold blue is etching the surface to take the stain and thoroughly removing all oil with acetone. Oxpho Blue from Brownells is one of the more durable cold blues but no cold blue gives rust resistance.
I've used it for touchups, primarily on barrels or floorplates, etc on rifles but not on a whole handgun so give us a report on its longevity as I am curious.

Parkerizing is the more durable finish that is relatively easy to do at home for handguns at least and it can then be topcoated with a Durocoat paint that closely resembles bluing. Rustbluing is also doable at home and gives a gorgeous finish but it is a lot of labor and does require some knowledge of polishing.

Posted by: whig at February 21, 2021 08:44 PM (pO7gM)

351 Not only was it a loaded handgun he had an extended mag in it. I think he had bad intentions when he walked in.

Posted by: C 137 at February 21, 2021 08:44 PM (2DOZq)

352 I'd rather have the hard-ass.
Posted by: MkY at February 21, 2021 08:39 PM (5hF5V)

Yup....a good RO keeps everyone on line, all on the same page and safety first, communicating all the while so everyone hears and understands.

Makes it a pleasant experience instead of having to look over your shoulder every few seconds.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 21, 2021 08:45 PM (R/m4+)

353 343
The best pair of guns you'll see all day:

https://youtu.be/ayjx2GnQecM
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at February 21, 2021 08:42 PM (TPa/W


That's a proper stopping caliber.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 21, 2021 08:45 PM (rdbLX)

354 Posted by: whig at February 21, 2021 08:44 PM (pO7gM)


Thanks you for the tips. I am going to try rust bluing after I retire next month. And I am definitely going to add a parkerizing tank to the new shop.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 21, 2021 08:47 PM (3aLWR)

355 346, Blake,
A sobering statistic is that in most cities, the murderer and the victim both have serious criminal records in the majority, sometimes overwhelming, of shooting deaths in cities. You subtract the shootings and other violent deaths in those cities from the US and you get a rate comparable to Europe on deaths.

Eventually, the coddling will end and a lot of violent thugs will end up being removed but at a horrific cost in the meantime. Any government's first order of business is to provide public safety and when it fails that, its legitimacy starts to disintegrate.

Posted by: whig at February 21, 2021 08:48 PM (pO7gM)

356 Wind is kicking up around here. Lights flickering. Bet the power goes out.

Posted by: nurse ratched at February 21, 2021 08:48 PM (U2p+3)

357 At any rate, changing the barrel has caused the gun to run flawlessly for the past couple of years, so yes, changing the barrel on the first round of Glock 36's will fix them. Funny thing, the subsequent rounds of the gun work fine so I guess Glock fixed the barrels that they steadfastly refused to acknowledge there was an issue with.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at February 21, 2021 08:33 PM


Unpossible! Glock Perfection!

Also, .40 unsupported chamber issues. Again, impossible! Glock Perfection!

/s

Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 21, 2021 08:48 PM (DMUuz)

358 196 Dupuytren's?
Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 07:50 PM (MVjcR)


Yes--mild in right hand and worse in left land. Last time I got the steroid shots I got severe tachycardia. Ugh. What's weird is I have no arthritis at all.
Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist at February 21, 2021 07:55 PM (TdMsT)

So, Viking blood, eh Ladyl?
That's what the hand specialist told me I have when I visited him about 5 years ago. He suspects it's a genetic thing. Lots of Norwegians and Swedes in the Ballard area of Seattle, or used to be, before hi-tech changed everything. Unfortunately, going to have to visit him again before too long.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at February 21, 2021 08:48 PM (sy5kK)

359 356 Wind is kicking up around here. Lights flickering. Bet the power goes out.

Posted by: nurse ratched at February 21, 2021 08:48 PM (U2p+3


So it will be stormy in Alabama in a coupe days. Thanks for letting me know!

Lol

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 21, 2021 08:49 PM (rdbLX)

360 Posted by: nurse ratched at February 21, 2021 08:48 PM (U2p+3)
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Hey there! Sorry I haven't replied to your email yet.

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 08:49 PM (MVjcR)

361 If you're going to hunt, it's one shot, one kill. Make no mistakes.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at February 21, 2021 08:50 PM (03n3v)

362 Eventually, the coddling will end and a lot of violent thugs will end up being removed but at a horrific cost in the meantime. Any government's first order of business is to provide public safety and when it fails that, its legitimacy starts to disintegrate.
Posted by: whig at February 21, 2021 08:48 PM (pO7gM)
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We are here: its legitimacy starts to disintegrate.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at February 21, 2021 08:50 PM (2SdPm)

363 All good here thanks. Crazy Time at work seems to be over, which helps.
Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 08:32 PM (MVjcR)

Good deal. Crazy Time at work is always a suckfest.

Posted by: Insomniac - Zhou Bai-Den Is Not My Chairman at February 21, 2021 08:52 PM (nakwk)

364 If you're going to hunt, it's one shot, one kill. Make no mistakes.

Especially with that most dangerous game.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 21, 2021 08:52 PM (3aLWR)

365 AlaBAMA @ 332- Glocks. A conundrum to some. I've always said 'Take the new Glock out of the box and put real sights (TrigiCon) on it as well as undercutting the rear of the trigger guard. Then you have a combat Glock. The only Glocks excepted are Gen 5s with AmeriGlo sights.

Posted by: Eromero at February 21, 2021 08:52 PM (gjvwR)

366 Well it's after comment 362. You guys watch the mars thing landing?

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 08:52 PM (MVjcR)

367 Eventually, the coddling will end and a lot of violent thugs will end up being removed but at a horrific cost in the meantime. Any government's first order of business is to provide public safety and when it fails that, its legitimacy starts to disintegrate.
Posted by: whig

I'm not sure, but I think the reason the crime rate is so high, is because the cops, the courts, almost everyone knows that both sides of the average "argument" are not good guys. They tend to shrug it off. No one's gonna talk, no one's gonna turn. They'll take care of it.
It's always a surprise when a killer is a non-inner city yoot... heck, it makes news!

Posted by: MkY at February 21, 2021 08:52 PM (5hF5V)

368 Salty Dog!!!

Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist at February 21, 2021 08:53 PM (TdMsT)

369 Question for fellow AR geeks:

Collecting parts for a 3-Gun competition build...
Posted by: Norman Spiny at February 21, 2021 07:22 PM (68uBc)

Ping Geissele with questions about the super 42 with an intermediate length system, their customer service has been good and so have their parts quality.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Logan Tiberius Edwards (2012-2021) at February 21, 2021 08:27 PM (uxJPn)
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I was planning to call them tomorrow. And yes, I have "several" of their triggers......top notch quality!

Posted by: Norman Spiny at February 21, 2021 08:53 PM (68uBc)

370 Watch the First 48 and see how senseless most urban murders are.

Posted by: C 137 at February 21, 2021 08:54 PM (2DOZq)

371 Posted by: Insomniac - Zhou Bai-Den Is Not My Chairman at February 21, 2021 08:52 PM (nakwk)
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Yup.

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 08:54 PM (MVjcR)

372 Hubby and I keep buying ammo but haven't been to the range since before Christmas.

Latest purchases - 200 6.5 Creedmoor, 500 .22lr and 1000 9mm.

Ammo doesn't seem to be in short supply in Canada. Well, not before we went shopping.

Posted by: all doubt removed at February 21, 2021 08:55 PM (S2eH9)

373 Weasel,
When are they gonna fly the helicopter? Can't wait for the picks.
Vibration is radically different in low G I read. Real interesting stuff.
We live in interesting times.

Posted by: MkY at February 21, 2021 08:55 PM (5hF5V)

374 362 and 367, I think that both of you are correct. City governments and now their police forces are basically neutered in many parts of cities and the legitimacy of all government is decaying because they are catering anti-social elements over those folks providing the glue to hold civilization together.

Posted by: whig at February 21, 2021 08:55 PM (pO7gM)

375 pics not picks.

Posted by: MkY at February 21, 2021 08:55 PM (5hF5V)

376 365 AlaBAMA @ 332- Glocks. A conundrum to some. I've always said 'Take the new Glock out of the box and put real sights (TrigiCon) on it as well as undercutting the rear of the trigger guard. Then you have a combat Glock. The only Glocks excepted are Gen 5s with AmeriGlo sights.
Posted by: Eromero at February 21, 2021 08:52 PM (gjvwR)


Hasn't Glock fixed the trigger guard thing yet? I sold mine because of that and I just hated the grip in general.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 21, 2021 08:56 PM (rdbLX)

377 Ammo doesn't seem to be in short supply in Canada. Well, not before we went shopping.
Posted by: all doubt removed at February 21, 2021 08:55 PM (S2eH9


I knew it was the Canadians!!!

Lol

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 21, 2021 08:57 PM (rdbLX)

378 Posted by: MkY at February 21, 2021 08:55 PM (5hF5V)
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I think I heard at least a few weeks for the helicopter. I think they are supposed to have more landing pics and video soon.

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 08:57 PM (MVjcR)

379 222 >>Yes--mild in right hand and worse in left land. Last time I got the steroid shots I got severe tachycardia. Ugh. What's weird is I have no arthritis at all.
Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist

There is an injectable medication for that now. Xiaflex. It's not a steroid.
Posted by: Aviator at February 21, 2021 08:03 PM (HQ9Sl)

Yes, and 5 years ago cost $10,000 for a shot, and the medical visits were an extra $600 for about 5 total visits. The insurance dropped it to about $4k. Yes, shitty insurance, but still better than Obamacare. It's basically a Botox derivative that destroys the growth and then the doc numbs your hand and snaps it to break it. It looks bad, but the hand is numb, and takes a couple of weeks to heal. The doc has to be careful not to let it spread to a muscle, it destroys that, too.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at February 21, 2021 08:57 PM (sy5kK)

380 I watched the Mars Perseverance, yes.
Very interesting since I know some guys in on the "ground floor" of those missions going back now, what, 20 years?
I have no idea how they do the math on those, but they do.

Posted by: navybrat, semper paratus at February 21, 2021 08:57 PM (w7KSn)

381 Ladyl, Insurrectionist

I trust you are all smiles after such a great weekend.

Chore accomplishment went well for me this weekend.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 21, 2021 08:58 PM (u82oZ)

382 Hello Weasel, hello fellow gun nuts. Almost home from an epic gun show trip to Louisville KY, vis Savannah Ga. I will tell the story on next weeks thread... It was GREAT!!! Saw guns I never expected to see. Ammo was available, but EXPENSIVE!!!!
I need to finish getting home, so later!!!

Posted by: Jesse in DC at February 21, 2021 08:58 PM (Lqv/5)

383 Posted by: all doubt removed at February 21, 2021 08:55 PM (S2eH9)
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Good job! And welcome to the Gun Thread! I used to head up to Connaught Range a couple of times a year. Really enjoyed the range and all the friends I made there.

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 08:59 PM (MVjcR)

384 I have an old SiG P220 police issue. A lot of people I know swear by Glock. I've shot them but I think, at least the more contemporary ones are junk.

If they shoot my SiG the first thing they bitch about is how heavy it is.

Then they realize they've been shooting junk.

Posted by: Martini Farmer - Now a Pirate, Hoisting the Black Flag at February 21, 2021 08:59 PM (3H9h1)

385 Watch the First 48 and see how senseless most urban murders are.
Posted by: C 137 at February 21, 2021 08:54 PM (2DOZq)

Yup....I was in a hotel not too long ago and they were showing this at the bar. The 3 utes killed a guy because they wanted his BMW. They were his neighbors just down the block. Feral Savages, couldn't even speak english in their detective interviews. Sounded like Stepin Fetchit on crack.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 21, 2021 08:59 PM (R/m4+)

386 It's a trigger safety on the Glock. Sort of a compound trigger.
More warnings to keep your booger hook out the bang hole until you want it to go bang.

Posted by: navybrat, semper paratus at February 21, 2021 08:59 PM (w7KSn)

387

I trust you are all smiles after such a great weekend.

Chore accomplishment went well for me this weekend.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 21, 2021 08:58 PM (u82oZ)


I'm so glad you had a good weekend, Salty Dog. I hope you had some fun, too.

Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist at February 21, 2021 08:59 PM (TdMsT)

388 82 Hello Weasel, hello fellow gun nuts. Almost home from an epic gun show trip to Louisville KY, vis Savannah Ga. I will tell the story on next weeks thread... It was GREAT!!! Saw guns I never expected to see. Ammo was available, but EXPENSIVE!!!!
I need to finish getting home, so later!!!
Posted by: Jesse in DC at February 21, 2021 08:58 PM (Lqv/5)


Send your report to weasel so he can post in the gub thread

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 21, 2021 08:59 PM (rdbLX)

389 Sorry Weasel, I read much too many case files of bad actors and crime statistics so that a murderous thug killing a gun store employee and a bystander makes me disgusted at that thug.

Posted by: whig at February 21, 2021 09:00 PM (pO7gM)

390 Posted by: Jesse in DC at February 21, 2021 08:58 PM (Lqv/5)
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Howdy Jesse not in DC! Have a save remainder or your trip!

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 09:01 PM (MVjcR)

391 he doc has to be careful not to let it spread to a muscle, it destroys that, too.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at February 21, 2021 08:57 PM (sy5kK)


Good grief. I'd rather have the surgery.

Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist at February 21, 2021 09:01 PM (TdMsT)

392 Yeah, I'm late but I'm here, so there is that.

I'm noticing that while ammo prices aren't falling, availability is increasing.

It's weird that .38 Special is now more expensive than both .44 Magnum *and* .455 Webley, but that's 2021 for you.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at February 21, 2021 09:01 PM (llXky)

393 Hunter Biden shoots alot of junk too!

Posted by: andycanuck at February 21, 2021 09:01 PM (d6he9)

394 More warnings to keep your booger hook out the bang hole until you want it to go bang.
Posted by: navybrat, semper paratus at February 21, 2021 08:59 PM (w7KSn)

Like when she goes on and on about her ex-boyfriends on the first date.

Posted by: Insomniac - Zhou Bai-Den Is Not My Chairman at February 21, 2021 09:02 PM (nakwk)

395 I don't care what gun someone uses, so long as its reliable and the owner can shoot it well.

I'll never understand brand snobbery.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Logan Tiberius Edwards (2012-2021) at February 21, 2021 09:02 PM (uxJPn)

396 If they think Sigs are heavy. Tell em to try an HK. Lol

Posted by: Inogame at February 21, 2021 09:02 PM (+2xjH)

397 Send your report to weasel so he can post in the gub thread
Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 21, 2021 08:59 PM (rdbLX)
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Yeah!

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 09:02 PM (MVjcR)

398 At some point, you've got enough ammo.

Posted by: Obama at February 21, 2021 09:02 PM (rdbLX)

399 LadyL

Nice shooting. That will sure enforce any social distancing issues.

"Listen, Bub. Keep your hands to yourself. "

Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 21, 2021 09:03 PM (u82oZ)

400
Posted by: whig at February 21, 2021 09:00 PM (pO7gM)
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No worries!

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 09:03 PM (MVjcR)

401 396 If they think Sigs are heavy. Tell em to try an HK. Lol
Posted by: Inogame at February 21, 2021 09:02 PM (+2xjH)


One day, AlaBAMA will have an HK. One day.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 21, 2021 09:03 PM (rdbLX)

402 Mark Andrew Edwards, Logan Tiberius Edwards (2012-2021)

We are shallow, hierarchal creatures that want more status than others. YMMV.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 21, 2021 09:04 PM (u82oZ)

403
So, Viking blood, eh Ladyl?
That's what the hand specialist told me I have when I visited him about 5 years ago. He suspects it's a genetic thing. Lots of Norwegians and Swedes in the Ballard area of Seattle, or used to be, before hi-tech changed everything. Unfortunately, going to have to visit him again before too long.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at February 21, 2021 08:48 PM (sy5kK)


Hi LeftCoastDawg!!

I'm English and Austrian. It would be cool if there was some Viking in there, too!

Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist at February 21, 2021 09:04 PM (TdMsT)

404 I'm very late to the shootin' match tonight, but I wanted to pop in and send hugs and thanks to the amazing Ladyl. As a fellow beginner, I appreciate your sharing your experiences and progress. You're doing great!

Posted by: screaming in digital at February 21, 2021 09:04 PM (kTRt4)

405 Thanks for the welcome, Weasel.

I hope to one day send in a range report, complete with pics of targets with amazing groupings. Like 5 shots all in the same spot. Hey, it's good to have goals in life.

Posted by: all doubt removed at February 21, 2021 09:04 PM (S2eH9)

406 You know odd things are afoot when people are paying $1.60 per round for corrosive Tokarev ammo.

Seriously? Go with some thing cheaper, like .41 Magnum.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at February 21, 2021 09:05 PM (llXky)

407 Martini Farmer @ 384. I like the Sig P220, shoots great. Just don't want to carry that damn heavy thing, so it lives mostly in the safe.

Posted by: Eromero at February 21, 2021 09:05 PM (gjvwR)

408 Posted by: screaming in digital at February 21, 2021 09:04 PM (kTRt4)
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Hey there!

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 09:05 PM (MVjcR)

409 Posted by: Martini Farmer - Now a Pirate, Hoisting the Black Flag at February 21, 2021 08:59 PM (3H9h1)

I've shot most manufacturers and I don't think I'm shooting junk. It's okay to hate them but it's okay to like them too. I happen to like Glock. Though I don't like that they won't make their own carbine. It would be a money tree.

Posted by: C 137 at February 21, 2021 09:06 PM (2DOZq)

410 392 AH,
Not so surprising on .38 Special as I would imagine a lot of old revolvers were sold to first time gun buyers and a bunch that already had them went shopping for more.

I think you can find lists at places like Chuck Hawks and other places as to the most popular cartridges in ammo and firearms.

Posted by: whig at February 21, 2021 09:06 PM (pO7gM)

411 I hope to one day send in a range report, complete with pics of targets with amazing groupings. Like 5 shots all in the same spot. Hey, it's good to have goals in life.
Posted by: all doubt removed at February 21, 2021 09:04 PM (S2eH9)
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I hope that you do!

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 09:06 PM (MVjcR)

412 Hi Screaming in Digital!

Reading the comments here, perhaps I made a mistake buying the Glock.

I'm wondering if I should go buy something else!

Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist at February 21, 2021 09:07 PM (TdMsT)

413 If being heavy is a criteria for being good, Hi Point would be the best gun manufacturer ever.

Posted by: C 137 at February 21, 2021 09:08 PM (2DOZq)

414 all doubt removed

My targets look like children's drawings of elephants or dinosaurs in connect-the-dot fashion.

I need a heavy weapon for hand-to hand combat.
I can hit with a 127 mm gun and a Mk 86 fire control radar. But if I see them on the horizon, they are too close.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 21, 2021 09:08 PM (u82oZ)

415
I'm wondering if I should go buy something else!
Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist at February 21, 2021 09:07 PM (TdMsT)
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Only if you want to be one of the cool kids.

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 09:08 PM (MVjcR)

416 I'm wondering if I should go buy something else!
Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist

And so it begins.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 21, 2021 09:08 PM (u82oZ)

417 411 I hope to one day send in a range report, complete with pics of targets with amazing groupings. Like 5 shots all in the same spot. Hey, it's good to have goals in life.
Posted by: all doubt removed at February 21, 2021 09:04 PM (S2eH9


If you send a pic of one bullet hole and tell us all five when through the same hole, we may ask for a demonstration.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 21, 2021 09:08 PM (rdbLX)

418 One day, AlaBAMA will have an HK. One day.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 21, 2021 09:03 PM


P-30 is sweet. The configurable grip works amazingly well.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 21, 2021 09:09 PM (DMUuz)

419 If being heavy is a criteria for being good, then I'm a saint.

Posted by: andycanuck at February 21, 2021 09:09 PM (d6he9)

420 No worries, Weasel.

Thanks for another great thread. Looking forward to seeing weaseldog next week!!

Posted by: nurse ratched at February 21, 2021 09:09 PM (U2p+3)

421 I like glocks, I like sigs... I like my 1911s... they all work so they are good for me.

Posted by: Inogame at February 21, 2021 09:09 PM (+2xjH)

422 Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 21, 2021 09:08 PM (u82oZ)
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Howdy Salty! I didn't see you were here. How's things?

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 09:09 PM (MVjcR)

423 My range day ended when it started snowing so hard I couldn't see the 600 yard targets. That plus there was a foot of snow on the steep dirt road up from the gate. I grabbed my targets and got out of there!!

Posted by: ck at February 21, 2021 09:09 PM (iBg56)

424 Reading the comments here, perhaps I made a mistake buying the Glock.

I'm wondering if I should go buy something else!
Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist at February 21, 2021 09:07 PM (TdMsT)

No, you did fine. Keep at it, get good with a Glock. Avoid gun and caliber sprawl. I have wasted more time and money trying to get the 'perfect' gun. I wish I'd just gotten a Glock, one Glock, and just focused on it.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Logan Tiberius Edwards (2012-2021) at February 21, 2021 09:10 PM (uxJPn)

425 412 Hi Screaming in Digital!

Reading the comments here, perhaps I made a mistake buying the Glock.

I'm wondering if I should go buy something else!
Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist at February 21, 2021 09:07 PM (TdMsT)


Well, the answer is always yes, but not because Glock is a bad gun. It's definitely not. For most, it's just a preference. Like key lime pie.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 21, 2021 09:10 PM (rdbLX)

426 Not so surprising on .38 Special as I would imagine a
lot of old revolvers were sold to first time gun buyers and a bunch
that already had them went shopping for more.

Posted by: whig at February 21, 2021 09:06 PM (pO7gM)

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Oh, that's absolutely the case. .38 Special was on decline for decades as people switched to .40 SW and 9mm and so they shut down production lines/switched them to other calibers and now there's really no reason to switch them back because *all* ammo is selling well.

I'm old enough to remember when .38 spl was $10 a box, same as 9mm. Times have certainly changed. As for me, I'm going to buy something in 9mm Largo - the ammo is cheap AND available.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at February 21, 2021 09:10 PM (llXky)

427 You know odd things are afoot when people are paying $1.60 per round for corrosive Tokarev ammo.

***

Ammo has never been more expensive or more difficult to get.

And ammo will never be cheaper or easier to get.

Posted by: Dr. Professor Neal Degreasse Tyson Esquire the Third at February 21, 2021 09:10 PM (Kt1w/)

428 Posted by: nurse ratched at February 21, 2021 09:09 PM (U2p+3)
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Will do - she's in the couch nest next to me right now.

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 09:11 PM (MVjcR)

429
I like glocks, I like sigs... I like my 1911s... they all work so they are good for me.



Posted by: Inogame at February 21, 2021 09:09 PM (+2xjH)

stay away from gun forums, they would likely call you a hippie.

Posted by: Quint at February 21, 2021 09:11 PM (Veofh)

430 415
I'm wondering if I should go buy something else!
Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist at February 21, 2021 09:07 PM (TdMsT)
Only if you want to be one of the cool kids.
Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 09:08 PM (MVjcR)

416 I'm wondering if I should go buy something else!
Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist

And so it begins.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 21, 2021 09:08 PM (u82oZ)

I'm laughing my ass off here.

Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist at February 21, 2021 09:11 PM (TdMsT)

431 Ladyl, as has probably been said here a zillion times (correctly), if something works for *you*, and you are comfortable and competent with it, then it's good.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 21, 2021 09:12 PM (OTzUX)

432 If being heavy is a criteria for being good, Hi Point would be the best gun manufacturer ever.

Posted by: C 137 at February 21, 2021 09:08 PM (2DOZq)

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+2 damage on pistol whipping.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at February 21, 2021 09:12 PM (llXky)

433 418 One day, AlaBAMA will have an HK. One day.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 21, 2021 09:03 PM

P-30 is sweet. The configurable grip works amazingly well.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 21, 2021 09:09 PM (DMUuz

*..cough MP5...cough*

Just need the end of the world scenario so stamps go away.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 21, 2021 09:12 PM (rdbLX)

434 Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist at February 21, 2021 09:07 PM (TdMsT)

Don't listen to the haters. They are just the opposite side of the same coin of the fan bois.

Posted by: C 137 at February 21, 2021 09:12 PM (2DOZq)

435 > I don't like that they won't make their own carbine. It would be a money tree.
Posted by: C 137

The Ruger PC 9 Carbine will take Glock mags. The big ones too. So... there's that.

Posted by: Martini Farmer - Now a Pirate, Hoisting the Black Flag at February 21, 2021 09:12 PM (3H9h1)

436 416 I'm wondering if I should go buy something else!
Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist

And so it begins.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 21, 2021 09:08 PM (u82oZ)

I'm laughing my ass off here.
Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist at February 21, 2021 09:11 PM (TdMsT)

Once you pop, you can't stop!

Posted by: Insomniac - Zhou Bai-Den Is Not My Chairman at February 21, 2021 09:12 PM (nakwk)

437 Thank you for the gun thread. Awesome as always.

The truth is I have been to the range once in two years. At the TxMoMeet.

Been busy with my startup, my elected position, my school job, and spousal maintenance. Mostly the later. She is slowing down a lot.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 21, 2021 09:12 PM (u82oZ)

438
Well, the answer is always yes, but not because Glock is a bad gun. It's definitely not. For most, it's just a preference. Like key lime pie.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 21, 2021 09:10 PM (rdbLX)



Oooooo--Key lime pie...

Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist at February 21, 2021 09:13 PM (TdMsT)

439 Well, the answer is always yes, but not because
Glock is a bad gun. It's definitely not. For most, it's just a
preference. Like key lime pie.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 21, 2021 09:10 PM (rdbLX)

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Key lime pie is delicious, but fattening.

Glocks are functional but odious.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at February 21, 2021 09:13 PM (llXky)

440 LadyL @ 412- Every refined lady such as yourself should have, in addition to her various rackets, a 9MM pistol, a .38 snubnose revolver, an AR, and a pump shotgun, brands not a consideration. And said lady should be able to place fire on body mass, which is something that you are definitely capable of. I'm glad you are on our side.

Posted by: Eromero at February 21, 2021 09:13 PM (gjvwR)

441 Ladyl,
Pay no heed the the Glock haters. Get good with what you have. Glocks are more durable and easier to maintain than many of the other "snooty" brands. Just go with it.

And if you want to get another, you'll always have your Glock to call back on.

Posted by: nurse ratched at February 21, 2021 09:14 PM (U2p+3)

442 Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 21, 2021 09:12 PM (u82oZ)
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My pleasure! Well we'll have to fix that in October.

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 09:14 PM (MVjcR)

443 Insom!!!

Is it lawful to send someone the money so they can buy it for me?

I can't go through that again!

Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist at February 21, 2021 09:14 PM (TdMsT)

444 Wind is kicking up around here. Lights flickering. Bet the power goes out.

Posted by: nurse ratched

Stay safe and warm, Nurse !

Posted by: JT at February 21, 2021 09:14 PM (arJlL)

445 If you send a pic of one bullet hole and tell us all five when through the same hole, we may ask for a demonstration.

Supposedly Ad Topperwein did a trick shot where he would throw a washer in the air, shoot at it, then pick it up off the ground and say "Yep, right through the hole." Everyone would get the joke and laugh. And then he'd put a postage stamp over the hole and do it again.

Posted by: Oddbob at February 21, 2021 09:15 PM (qc+VF)

446 Not hating on Glock. They're just not for me. I might revisit the manufacturer once things settle down.

Of course, I'll bet that a LOT of firearms start to appear on GunBroker, your local gun show, FFL, whatever as the "emotional purchase" some made, with no intent to ever use the gun, wanes.

Posted by: Martini Farmer - Now a Pirate, Hoisting the Black Flag at February 21, 2021 09:15 PM (3H9h1)

447 My BIL is a 3rd gen oilman from Texas. Has no small revenue from wells his Pop discovered. He's a frat bro from a coupla Ivy League schools, married my sister from Jersey, who wears his balls for her earrings.

She tugs an ear like Carol Burnett and he yelps.

Texas and it's powergrid is done for.

Posted by: BluesFish at February 21, 2021 09:15 PM (WQZ1O)

448 Well I think everything is junk for home defense aside from a PPsh-41 or a Thompson - but the damn guvamint makes it hard to get either of those. So I'll settle for various handguns and a Mossberg 500. My brand snobbery treasures only completely unattainable things, so it kind of cancels itself out.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 21, 2021 09:15 PM (OTzUX)

449 Seriously? Go with some thing cheaper, like .41 Magnum.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at February 21, 2021 09:05 PM


Yah, the last ammo I've managed to score was some .41 Leveraction. At 49 cents a round, compared to over a buck a round for FMJ .380, I went skipping down the aisle to checkout.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 21, 2021 09:15 PM (DMUuz)

450 443 Insom!!!

Is it lawful to send someone the money so they can buy it for me?

I can't go through that again!
Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist at February 21, 2021 09:14 PM (TdMsT)

That gets complicated. Perhaps take someone with you to help you through your next purchase?

Posted by: Insomniac - Zhou Bai-Den Is Not My Chairman at February 21, 2021 09:15 PM (nakwk)

451 Thank you, {{{Nurse}}}


Call me sometime time that's convenient for you so I can give you my latest updates!

Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist at February 21, 2021 09:15 PM (TdMsT)

452 I like redheads. But I prefer brunettes. I don't hate either.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 21, 2021 09:16 PM (rdbLX)

453 >If you send a pic of one bullet hole and tell us all five when through the same hole, we may ask for a demonstration.

Ah, the old pics or it doesn't count thing. Okay, I promise to not be totally perfect. Which should be really easy.

Posted by: all doubt removed at February 21, 2021 09:16 PM (S2eH9)

454 391 he doc has to be careful not to let it spread to a muscle, it destroys that, too.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at February 21, 2021 08:57 PM (sy5kK)
Good grief. I'd rather have the surgery.
Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist at February 21, 2021 09:01 PM (TdMsT)

5 years ago, that hand specialist told me he has done over 400 procedures with it, and he's so far 100% and counting. The Xiaflex essentially rots it out in a day.
It is a whole lot better than surgery. It's genetic, my Dad had the same thing but got surgery as Xiaflex hadn't been invented yet. It took him a few months to get back to 100%, and I remember Mom telling me the hand exercises he had to do were painful at first. Dad didn't complain about much regarding his health, but he sure did about that. Unfortunately, Dad passed in 2011 and Duperin's didn't start on me until about 2013 or so. Other than second hand stories from Mom, I was on my own to learn.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at February 21, 2021 09:16 PM (sy5kK)

455
Don't listen to the haters. They are just the opposite side of the same coin of the fan bois.

Posted by: C 137 at February 21, 2021 09:12 PM (2DOZq)

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I think Glocks are like stale farts. I don't harbor them any ill will, but I do avoid them when I can. I certainly won't pay for one.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at February 21, 2021 09:16 PM (llXky)

456 mmo has never been more expensive or more difficult to get.

And ammo will never be cheaper or easier to get.
Posted by: Dr. Professor Neal Degreasse Tyson Esquire the Third at February 21, 2021 09:10 PM (Kt1w/)



In nothing flat, these will be The Good Ole Days.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 21, 2021 09:17 PM (3aLWR)

457 .38 special and ..357 magnum have got to be the most reloaded of handgun rounds. I have no proof of that, but that is a hunch from what I have seen over the years. It is not like people are reloading .45 GAP. Even .40 SW seems a luxury round to me. In my opinion, go with .38, 9mm, and.45 if you always want available ammo. And you better have a .22 rifle and lots of rounds. .22 might end up the most tradable round if it comes to that.

Posted by: Quint at February 21, 2021 09:17 PM (Veofh)

458 Good job Ladyl!! I didn't get to the range this week dammit. But plan on tomorrow or Tuesday.

Posted by: Jewells45 at February 21, 2021 09:17 PM (nxdel)

459 Glocks are functional but odious.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at February 21, 2021 09:13 PM (llX

Kind of funny. Got a Sig .45 which I like. Shot 1911s for many many years.

But my go to gun right now if I had to pick up a pistol?

My replica single Action .45 Uberti El Patron. Dang thing is SO accurate both when aimed, and when I'm shooting 'from the hip', that it now my go to.

Sometimes technology progresses beyond which is best.

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 21, 2021 09:18 PM (oHd/0)

460 440 LadyL @ 412- Every refined lady such as yourself should have, in addition to her various rackets, a 9MM pistol, a .38 snubnose revolver, an AR, and a pump shotgun, brands not a consideration. And said lady should be able to place fire on body mass, which is something that you are definitely capable of. I'm glad you are on our side.
Posted by: Eromero at February 21, 2021 09:13 PM (gjvwR)


I want an AR15 just like Weasel's!

Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist at February 21, 2021 09:18 PM (TdMsT)

461 Littleton, CO gubmint is simply anti 2A. They are nuts. From that article:

Littleton has assembled a lengthy tip sheet aimed at assisting business owners put together a plan to obtain the expensive licenses they now need in order to stay in business. Critics estimate that implementing such plans will cost individual retailers, depending on size, anywhere from $10k to $100k or more once the massive gun safes, employer training, and long list of stipulations are met.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at February 21, 2021 09:19 PM (sy5kK)

462
I want an AR15 just like Weasel's!
Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist at February 21, 2021 09:18 PM (TdMsT)
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So happy you enjoyed shooting it!

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 09:19 PM (MVjcR)

463 I think Glocks are like stale farts. I don't harbor
them any ill will, but I do avoid them when I can. I certainly won't pay
for one.


Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at February 21, 2021 09:16 PM (llXky)

tastes vary, but they are proven sidearms.

Posted by: Quint at February 21, 2021 09:19 PM (Veofh)

464 I want an AR15 just like Weasel's!
Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist at February 21, 2021 09:18 PM (TdMsT)

Who doesn't?

Posted by: Insomniac - Zhou Bai-Den Is Not My Chairman at February 21, 2021 09:20 PM (nakwk)

465 want an AR15 just like Weasel's!
Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist at February 21, 2021 09:18 PM (TdMsT)


Dang, you do have the bug!

Lol.

You still need a home defense attention getter, an 800 yard long distance call and a boot backup.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 21, 2021 09:20 PM (rdbLX)

466 I like Browning Hi Powers but even Browning doesn't make/import them anymore so my opinion doesn't matter so much.

Posted by: Quint at February 21, 2021 09:20 PM (Veofh)

467
Posted by: Insomniac - Zhou Bai-Den Is Not My Chairman at February 21, 2021 09:20 PM (nakwk)
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That was a really fun day, wasn't it?

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 09:21 PM (MVjcR)

468 426 AH,
I have enough .38 and .357 brass to last awhile. I don't hotrod my reloads and so the brass lasts a pleasantly long time. Only exception is nickel plated brass which cracks a lot sooner.

45 ACP is another great reloading round. 9mm is a bit more fussy but not difficult if you lube about every ten round on resizing and I haven't reloaded 40 S&W in years.

Posted by: whig at February 21, 2021 09:21 PM (pO7gM)

469 In the 2020 Election, President Trump won 40 of Colorado's 64 counties.In New York State President Trump won 41 of New York's 62 counties.
I think it is time for Electoral College style voting in all States for Presidential and Senate races as well as for the Gubernatorial race.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at February 21, 2021 08:19 PM (Fdgdx)
________________________
A really good point about the counties. Here in WESTERN Colorado, the counties are mostly very conservative, and want nothing to do with the Denver-Boulder scum. The sheriffs are elected by the county residents to uphold the law and vow to uphold the Constitution (I.e: Not to confiscate legally owned/obtained firearms). The communist Dems are playing a really dangerous game here.

Posted by: Norman Spiny at February 21, 2021 09:21 PM (68uBc)

470 *..cough MP5...cough*

Just need the end of the world scenario so stamps go away.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 21, 2021 09:12 PM


Given those conditions, why not go for the MP10?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 21, 2021 09:21 PM (DMUuz)

471 tastes vary, but they are proven sidearms.


Posted by: Quint at February 21, 2021 09:19 PM (Veofh)

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De gustibus non disputandum.

Did I spell that correctly?

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at February 21, 2021 09:22 PM (llXky)

472 I like Browning Hi Powers

+1

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 21, 2021 09:22 PM (3aLWR)

473 My replica single Action .45 Uberti El Patron. Dang
thing is SO accurate both when aimed, and when I'm shooting 'from the
hip', that it now my go to.



Sometimes technology progresses beyond which is best.

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 21, 2021 09:18 PM (oHd/0)

not sure what my go to would be. But the one i could not live without is a three screw Ruger Blackhawk.

Posted by: Quint at February 21, 2021 09:22 PM (Veofh)

474 467
Posted by: Insomniac - Zhou Bai-Den Is Not My Chairman at February 21, 2021 09:20 PM (nakwk)
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That was a really fun day, wasn't it?
Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 09:21 PM (MVjcR)

Most excellent indeed. Can't wait for the next one!

Posted by: Insomniac - Zhou Bai-Den Is Not My Chairman at February 21, 2021 09:22 PM (nakwk)

475 Given those conditions, why not go for the MP10?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 21, 2021 09:21 PM (DMUuz)


Figured 9mm would be easier to scrounge.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 21, 2021 09:22 PM (rdbLX)

476 466 Quint,
There is a new Turkish made High Power clone that is now around. Last I checked, Sarco in Pennsylvania still had some FEG Hungarian clones of the HP and an Arcus which is more or less a High Power from Bulgaria with a bit more beef on the slide and frame.

Posted by: whig at February 21, 2021 09:22 PM (pO7gM)

477 435 > I don't like that they won't make their own carbine. It would be a money tree.
Posted by: C 137

The Ruger PC 9 Carbine will take Glock mags. The big ones too. So... there's that.
Posted by: Martini Farmer - Now a Pirate, Hoisting the Black Flag at February 21, 2021 09:12 PM (3H9h1)

I have that as well as the Kel Tec 2000 that takes Glock mags. I just think a Glock manufactured carbine would be the biggest selling carbine ever . For the reason a lot of people don't like Glock. Their fan base.

Posted by: C 137 at February 21, 2021 09:23 PM (2DOZq)

478 45 ACP is another great reloading round. 9mm is a
bit more fussy but not difficult if you lube about every ten round on
resizing and I haven't reloaded 40 SW in years.



Posted by: whig at February 21, 2021 09:21 PM (pO7gM)

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Crossbow for the win!

(Or longbow, if you swing that way...)

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at February 21, 2021 09:23 PM (llXky)

479 Did I spell that correctly?


Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at February 21, 2021 09:22 PM (llXky)

better than I could.

Posted by: Quint at February 21, 2021 09:23 PM (Veofh)

480 Yes LadyL, you do need an AR-15. A stock AR with a 16" barrel is the most versatile and practical rifle there is. You can build up to getting one like Weasel has. Just get what you can find now!!

Posted by: ck at February 21, 2021 09:23 PM (iBg56)

481 All the panic buyers from 2020? They have not sold their purchases.

Many gun stores have almost no stock of any kind, they sell out every gun they put out.

I have been wrong before, like last year, but I think 2021 is going to be worse and bloodier.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Logan Tiberius Edwards (2012-2021) at February 21, 2021 09:23 PM (uxJPn)

482
Most excellent indeed. Can't wait for the next one!
Posted by: Insomniac - Zhou Bai-Den Is Not My Chairman at February 21, 2021 09:22 PM (nakwk)
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Yep!

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 09:23 PM (MVjcR)

483 Is it lawful to send someone the money so they can buy it for me?

No! One of the questions on the form 4473 is something to the effect "Are you the actual purchaser of the firearm?" If you (or whoever) answer no, the sale cannot proceed. If you answer yes and it's not true, you're committing a federal felony. Besides all that, if the whole purpose is to get the gun that's right for you, why would you ever let somebody else do that for you?

Posted by: Oddbob at February 21, 2021 09:23 PM (qc+VF)

484 "...which is more or less a High Power from Bulgaria with a bit more beef on the slide and frame."
Posted by: whig

Which the original lacked, no doubt

Posted by: MkY at February 21, 2021 09:23 PM (5hF5V)

485 Given those conditions, why not go for the MP10?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 21, 2021 09:21 PM (DMUuz)

MP10, MP11, whatever it takes.

Posted by: Insomniac - Zhou Bai-Den Is Not My Chairman at February 21, 2021 09:24 PM (xWqXn)

486 472 I like Browning Hi Powers

+1
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 21, 2021 09:22 PM (3aLWR)

Interesting history. Pull up YouTube of the Gun Stories episode.

Posted by: C 137 at February 21, 2021 09:24 PM (2DOZq)

487 Have a great night, everyone.

Weasel, thank you for more education & encouragement. If I go to the MoMeet,I will bring a 30-06 deer rifle. But every day, all I really need is a derringer. We are a deer bed & breakfast.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 21, 2021 09:25 PM (u82oZ)

488 38 and 45 definitely easiest to reload, only in the sense you can do your visual check on the charge while the case is still in the press (usually), which saves time. 38 sometimes not - but if you use TrailBoss, easy to see the powder level without taking the case out. Other aspects are equally easy on all handgun calibers, I think.

And the brass lasts a long time. I noted here once that I've come across at least 2 WWII arsenal 45 cases in my reloading, headstamps almost worn off, but arsenal ID still barely legible. I actually have a box's worth of WWII 45 cases in my supply that I shot myself (somebody gifted me the box at the range one time, can't recall why and actually can't imagine why) - but those are easy to ID, headstamps are clear.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 21, 2021 09:25 PM (OTzUX)

489 How it starts:

I should get a gun. .38 seems like a good caliber.
Oh, and I need 9mm. Everyone has 9mm
I need something bigger than 9mm but 45 is too much. Let's get a .40
I've got a .40. Might as well get a .45.
Need 5.56. Everyone has those. Wonder what this creedmore thing is....

What caliber would take down a bear??

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 21, 2021 09:25 PM (rdbLX)

490 LadyL, your Glock is a good pick -- Glocks are really reliable.

I'm not a Glock fan, but I own some because they're reliable, and mags and parts are readily available.

There is no magic pistol, revolver, or caliber. All handguns are tradeoffs.

Do you enjoy shooting your pistol?

Posted by: callsign claymore at February 21, 2021 09:25 PM (B5IGS)

491 Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 21, 2021 09:25 PM (u82oZ)
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My pleasure, Salty.

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 09:26 PM (MVjcR)

492 Grump @ 472, I bought a Hi-Power in 1972 for less than $200 and let it get away to my older brother somehow. Even with it's tendency to inflict painful wounds on the shooter it is still one of the finest most accurate firearms (thanks, JMB!) ever made. One like the one I had would cost over $2000 today. And I still crave it.

Posted by: Eromero at February 21, 2021 09:28 PM (gjvwR)

493 The take down notch on the Browning is very handy. I wonder why that feature has not been added to 1911s.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 21, 2021 09:28 PM (3aLWR)

494 Shot an FEG BHP clone at the range this week, just a few rounds. Very sweet. I've held off on getting one of those in the past because they're expensive enough that I felt the need to edumucate myself thoroughly on them, but was too lazy/not interested enough to do so. Maybe some day. As it's 9mm, it checks the No Caliber Creep box.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 21, 2021 09:28 PM (OTzUX)

495 All right, good to see the gun folks again, have a good one. Thanks Weasel.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Logan Tiberius Edwards (2012-2021) at February 21, 2021 09:28 PM (uxJPn)

496 LadyL,

Shield Arms has a 15 round mag for the 43x that's getting good reviews.

Yes, get an AR-15.

Posted by: callsign claymore at February 21, 2021 09:28 PM (B5IGS)

497 I am not a reloader so there is that. But I would trust a reloaded round much more in a over made wheel gun like a Ruger than in an auto. And even in Ruger's I have seen the cartriges split and foul up the works. But in another gun, it could be worse.

Posted by: Quint at February 21, 2021 09:29 PM (Veofh)

498 LadyL,
It is not lawful to have someone else buy a gun for you as that is defined as a straw buyer and violates the GCA of 1968. When buying a firearm, one must answer whether or not they are the actual buyer of the firearm and you can go to prison the ATF has evidence that you provided money in order for someone else to buy a firearm. It gets murky with gifts and expectations but the recent Supreme Court case involving a Virginia former cop who bought a firearm for his uncle using his law enforcement discount. He received a check from his uncle for the cost prior to purchasing the firearm and neither he nor his uncle were prohibited persons under the law.
He then went to a FFL to transfer the gun legally to his uncle which happened. He got convicted and Supreme Court declared that even if both were not prohibited persons, the former cop's actions met the legal criteria of not being the end purchaser of the firearm and thus a straw buyer.

Posted by: whig at February 21, 2021 09:29 PM (pO7gM)

499 What are the ballistics like on a 9mm long gun?
Are they a 300 yd weapon?
100 yd?

Posted by: MkY at February 21, 2021 09:29 PM (5hF5V)

500 Okey-dokey, 9:30 thank you time!!

Appreciate you all checking in and hanging out for a while. This wouldn't be nearly as much fun without you all, and it'd definitely be quieter. Thank you! Hope you all have a great week. See you next Sunday.

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 09:29 PM (MVjcR)

501 What caliber would take down a bear??
Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 21, 2021 09:25 PM


What kind of bear? A little Eastern blackie? A Montana grizz? An Alaskan Kodak? A Russian Tupolov?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 21, 2021 09:30 PM (DMUuz)

502 I bought a Hi-Power in 1972 for less than $200 and let it get away to my older brother somehow.


Does he still have it?

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 21, 2021 09:30 PM (3aLWR)

503 Semi weapons related. You know Love's Truckstops? Well . . .

https://bit.ly/2P3v0CF

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 21, 2021 09:30 PM (VVEnO)

504 Stray thought: If you want to buy a gun you know won't be confiscated, buy something Chinese. A Norinco Tokarev clone, for example.

Canada has stricter gun control than the US, but Canucks have access to weapons whose important is banned in the US.

ChiComs gotta make a buck.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at February 21, 2021 09:31 PM (llXky)

505 Weasel, thank you.

Posted by: callsign claymore at February 21, 2021 09:31 PM (B5IGS)

506 Avoiding over-charges in reloading is of course Job 1, but also very easy. Squibs (little or no powder) are much more difficult to avoid, but also less consequential, usually. But a simple visual check of every case before it gets the bullet seated easily avoids either problem. And for those that generally load at the low- to mid-level of charges, an over-charge is even easier to avoid.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 21, 2021 09:31 PM (OTzUX)

507 LadyL I'd get a Glock compatible carbine before an AR if I were you which I'm not so disregard what I just said.

Posted by: C 137 at February 21, 2021 09:31 PM (2DOZq)

508 Okey-dokey, 9:30 thank you time!!


Thank you, sir. I am surprised that no one has recognized the script on that CZ83. Maybe some lurker overseas will comment later.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 21, 2021 09:31 PM (3aLWR)

509 Of course, I'll bet that a LOT of firearms start to appear on GunBroker, your local gun show, FFL, whatever as the "emotional purchase" some made, with no intent to ever use the gun, wanes.
Posted by: Martini Farmer - Now a Pirate, Hoisting the Black Flag at February 21, 2021 09:15 PM (3H9h1)
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Exactly where I sourced my sticks that go bang, before the state deemed private sales illegal.
Only one pistol I got was not nearly new. So I cleaned it and sold it for 50 bucks more than I paid for it. And cleaning guns, especially a Springfield XD, is pretty easy and relaxing.
And every time, I met another decent fellow gunner. Consistently. Cuz that's the way most of our ilk are.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at February 21, 2021 09:31 PM (sy5kK)

510 Damn it, "whose IMPORT is banned in the US."

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at February 21, 2021 09:32 PM (llXky)

511 I forgot the G 43 has its own mag.

Posted by: C 137 at February 21, 2021 09:32 PM (2DOZq)

512
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Logan Tiberius Edwards (2012-2021) at February 21, 2021 09:28 PM (uxJPn)
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Happy to do it. Always a pleasure to have you here.

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 09:32 PM (MVjcR)

513 501 What caliber would take down a bear??
Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 21, 2021 09:25 PM

What kind of bear? A little Eastern blackie? A Montana grizz? An Alaskan Kodak? A Russian Tupolov?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 21, 2021 09:30 PM (DMUuz


Exactly! What if you come across a polar bear?? I should get something that fires .470 nitro!

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 21, 2021 09:33 PM (rdbLX)

514 Weasel, you have a good one, sir! Time to wander, and, again, thanks for the gun thread!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at February 21, 2021 09:33 PM (2SdPm)

515 Weasel,

Thanks for another wonderful gun thread. I wanted to tell you before the ONT takes over. Best to all the family.

Posted by: JTB at February 21, 2021 09:33 PM (7EjX1)

516 505 Weasel, thank you.
Posted by: callsign claymore at February 21, 2021 09:31 PM (B5IGS)
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My pleasure. Thank you!

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 09:34 PM (MVjcR)

517 nood, and g'night everyone !

thanks Weasel !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at February 21, 2021 09:34 PM (AKJpt)

518 Missouri is a face-to-face state. Anyone legally able to own a firearm is legally allowed to buy said firearm from any individual.
No state involvement whatsoever. And I BEGGED my sons to buy their weaponry face to face. Did they?
Yeah, maybe. But also bought from FFL's.

Posted by: MkY at February 21, 2021 09:34 PM (5hF5V)

519 Hey Weasel! Sorry, I'm slow catching up with the comments. Thanks for another great thread. Sunday night is the best night of the week!

Posted by: screaming in digital at February 21, 2021 09:34 PM (kTRt4)

520 477 435 > True that. They probably could corner the market. And would likely do a 9, 40 and 45 version. The 45 would be... interesting.

Posted by: Martini Farmer - Now a Pirate, Hoisting the Black Flag at February 21, 2021 09:34 PM (3H9h1)

521 Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 21, 2021 09:31 PM (3aLWR)
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My pleasure, G'rump.

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 09:35 PM (MVjcR)

522 499 What are the ballistics like on a 9mm long gun?
Are they a 300 yd weapon?
100 yd?
Posted by: MkY at February 21, 2021 09:29 PM (5hF5V)

Effective range max 100 yards IMHO.

Posted by: C 137 at February 21, 2021 09:35 PM (2DOZq)

523
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at February 21, 2021 09:33 PM (2SdPm)
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'Night blake!

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 09:36 PM (MVjcR)

524 What caliber would take down a bear??
Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 21, 2021 09:25 PM (rdbLX)

12.7x99, delivered through a M2.

Posted by: Insomniac - Zhou Bai-Den Is Not My Chairman at February 21, 2021 09:36 PM (bWyp6)

525 Thanks and good night to Weasel and all the good 'rons and 'ettes. Y'all stay safe out there.

Posted by: Oddbob at February 21, 2021 09:36 PM (qc+VF)

526 Posted by: JTB at February 21, 2021 09:33 PM (7EjX1)
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Thanks for being here JTB. Howdy to the missus!

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 09:36 PM (MVjcR)

527 What LCD said has been very true in my experience. About 50-60 total private transactions, guns and ammo, and most times have met interesting people and both of us came away smarter about something - local matches, ranges we didn't know about, spots in the desert, etc. Got my Model 66 from a former Top Gun nasal radiator, and the M1 carbine from a serious collector. My statistics and logic circuits resist the urge to generalize, but there it is. Never anything but a pleasant and educational experience in dozens and dozens of transactions.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 21, 2021 09:37 PM (OTzUX)

528 Well, thanks again, Weasel! I sent emails to your new address.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at February 21, 2021 09:37 PM (llXky)

529 Hi Powers and K-Frame Smiths are rare pistols that fit most every hand size, albeit with a grip change sometimes.

The only negative thing about the High Power is the magazine disconnect and the somewhat less tunable trigger than the 1911. The oldest ones also have typically lousy sights too and the tangent sight on some of these are simply ridiculous.

But, they point naturally, heavy enough for good recoil management, and have a 13-15 round magazine count. You do need to be careful about what hollow point bullet profiles you use as the short stubby ones like Hornady XTP can have problems feeding in older Hi Points. I use 147 gr. Federal Hi Shocks when I carry one or the older standard pressure Federal 9BLP 115gr hollowpoints.

Posted by: whig at February 21, 2021 09:37 PM (pO7gM)

530 Posted by: sock_rat_eez at February 21, 2021 09:34 PM (AKJpt)
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Thank you! 'Night sock rat.

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 09:37 PM (MVjcR)

531
What kind of bear? A little Eastern blackie? A Montana grizz? An Alaskan Kodak? A Russian Tupolov?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 21, 2021 09:30 PM (DMUuz)

My first missile could take out a swarm of the tupolov bears with a single nuke. Forced the russkies to change tactice, whic brought forth Patriot.

Arent there some peeps that hunt kodiacs with .357 magnum
revolvers? Not it.

Thank you for the gub thread, sir weasel.

Posted by: BifBewalski - what a terriboe thing to say! at February 21, 2021 09:37 PM (VcFUs)

532 But the one i could not live without is a three screw Ruger Blackhawk.
Posted by: Quint at February 21, 2021 09:22 PM (Veofh)

They are so balanced, and easy to bring back on target for the next shot.
After having tried a couple of them, in .41Mag and .44mag, I tell myself "someday, LCD, someday."

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at February 21, 2021 09:37 PM (sy5kK)

533 Posted by: screaming in digital at February 21, 2021 09:34 PM (kTRt4)
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No worries! 'Night!

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 09:38 PM (MVjcR)

534 Effective range max 100 yards IMHO.
Posted by: C 137

Thx. Didn't want to go hunt a ballistics chart. Kinda what I thought. There's a black powder revolving rifle patterned on the 1858 Remington that will do about that.
I assume ballistics about the same.
100 yards ain't nothing, though.

Posted by: MkY at February 21, 2021 09:38 PM (5hF5V)

535 Posted by: Oddbob at February 21, 2021 09:36 PM (qc+VF)
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Goodnight Oddbob!

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 09:39 PM (MVjcR)

536 I wouldn't stand at 200 yards in front of a 9mm

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 21, 2021 09:39 PM (rdbLX)

537 Like whig said, Smith K-frames are usually very sweet. Great balance. My 4" Model 66 is my favorite in that respect. The little CZ-83/.380 is a very natural pointing easy shootin' piece, for a semi.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 21, 2021 09:40 PM (OTzUX)

538 MkY, I'm gonna amen C 137 there. Figure 100 yards for practical range.

Even .357 magnum loses gas fast outside 100 yards.

Posted by: callsign claymore at February 21, 2021 09:40 PM (B5IGS)

539 528 Well, thanks again, Weasel! I sent emails to your new address.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at February 21, 2021 09:37 PM (llXky)
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My pleasure. Got 'em, will reply soon.

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 09:40 PM (MVjcR)

540 Grump @ 502- Older brother is mort. Don't know what happened to the firearm.

Posted by: Eromero at February 21, 2021 09:41 PM (gjvwR)

541 Thank you for the gub thread, sir weasel.
Posted by: BifBewalski - what a terriboe thing to say! at February 21, 2021 09:37 PM (VcFUs)
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You're very welcome, Bif!

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 09:41 PM (MVjcR)

542 Another option if you want a Hi-Power but find a real one too dear is the first generation Kareens. They can, or could until recently, be had in the three hundreds.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 21, 2021 09:41 PM (3aLWR)

543 Grump @ 502- Older brother is mort. Don't know what happened to the firearm.
Posted by: Eromero at February 21, 2021 09:41 PM (gjvwR)



My condolences.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 21, 2021 09:42 PM (3aLWR)

544 ONT is up, y'all. Enjoy the rest of your evening and have a good week. See you next Sunday!

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 09:43 PM (MVjcR)

545 536 I wouldn't stand at 200 yards in front of a 9mm
Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 21, 2021 09:39 PM (rdbLX)

You could probably target shoot out to 250 yard but talking consistent effective range.

Posted by: C 137 at February 21, 2021 09:43 PM (2DOZq)

546 Thx weasel! Great job

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 21, 2021 09:44 PM (rdbLX)

547 When I said, "100 yds ain't nothing" what I meant was 100 yd range is a significant range.
It IS something.

Posted by: MkY at February 21, 2021 09:44 PM (5hF5V)

548 I wouldn't stand at 200 yards in front of a 9mm
Posted by: AlaBAMA
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Well, if pistol, and I am the shooter, you would be safer than the people around you.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 21, 2021 09:44 PM (1vynn)

549 Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 21, 2021 09:44 PM (rdbLX)
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Thanks! Pleasure to have you here.

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 09:44 PM (MVjcR)

550 537 rhomboid,
The CZ's are full steel frame handguns firing a relatively low pressure cartridge. Pretty much since the 1930's, the Czechs have made darn good firearms including their post WWII 7.62x39 auto battle rifles like the VZ-58

But I have only reloaded a smidge of .380 and I hated it. Knew a guy that reloaded .25 ACP and I would not do that for the world.
I use a powder checker die when reloading as it is pretty easy to integrate into the reloading cycle and I deprime, size, and prime off press anyway. That way I have an extra station free and get better results depriming etc. which I have now switched to the Lee App press.

Posted by: whig at February 21, 2021 09:45 PM (pO7gM)

551 Well, if pistol, and I am the shooter, you would be safer than the people around you.
Posted by: Mike Hammer

Don't feel alone. That would be an accidental shooting, regardless of intent.

Posted by: MkY at February 21, 2021 09:45 PM (5hF5V)

552 Good night Weasel. Thanks.

Posted by: whig at February 21, 2021 09:45 PM (pO7gM)

553 Thanks all. thanks Weasel.

Posted by: MkY at February 21, 2021 09:46 PM (5hF5V)

554 AlaBAMA, sure. And .22 short through .22lr are lethal a lot farther than most folks think.

But practical shooting -- making the most out of 9mm without expensive scopes, stocks, hand loads, etc -- you're looking at 100 yards give or take.

ymmv

Posted by: callsign claymore at February 21, 2021 09:46 PM (B5IGS)

555 Posted by: whig at February 21, 2021 09:45 PM (pO7gM)
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Happy to do it whig. Thanks for being a regular.

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 09:47 PM (MVjcR)

556 I refuse to say goodnight. Is there an after hours bar around here?

Posted by: C 137 at February 21, 2021 09:47 PM (2DOZq)

557 Posted by: MkY at February 21, 2021 09:46 PM (5hF5V)
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Thank you!

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 09:47 PM (MVjcR)

558 I made the mistake of tuning into the dvr of Levine on Rush.

Many tissues.

Posted by: Infidel at February 21, 2021 09:49 PM (JKh2y)

559 556 I refuse to say goodnight. Is there an after hours bar around here?
Posted by: C 137 at February 21, 2021 09:47 PM (2DOZq)
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I'll be sweeping up and stacking chairs for a few more minutes. Hit the lights when you leave!

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 09:50 PM (MVjcR)

560 Night, Weasel, et al.

Posted by: RI Red at February 21, 2021 09:51 PM (TigTd)

561 Re: Sven at comment 150....Agree...Black powder handguns can be very effective if loaded correctly. Stock up on percussion caps, though.....you can cast your own round balls, and even make your own black powder if you have to. I just bought a Pietta .44 Remington copy like new in the box at a pawn shop....cheap. Checking Cabela's web site, all sold out on BP revolvers, that I saw......Hmmmm, great minds think a like.... You can also buy .45 Colt(Long) cylinders for the Remington copies......also...Hmmmmmm

Posted by: jasonj at February 21, 2021 09:51 PM (4Tpar)

562 560 Night, Weasel, et al.
Posted by: RI Red at February 21, 2021 09:51 PM (TigTd)
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Goodnight, pal.

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 09:52 PM (MVjcR)

563 Arent there some peeps that hunt kodiacs with .357 magnum
revolvers? Not it.
Thank you for the gub thread, sir weasel.
Posted by: BifBewalski - what a terriboe thing to say! at February 21, 2021 09:37 PM (VcFUs)

A few years back, went to Alaska, Kenai peninsula for a vacation with Little LCD. Mostly fishing, but fresh out of high school, LCD spotted an ad from a guy renting ATV's for a few hours cruise in the woods about an hour outside of Anchorage. Met him at the trailhead, he had a big trailer and an ATV for both of us.
Guy carried a Ruger .41 Mag with custom 240gr soft points, that he reloaded himself. He was also a Bush pilot for 30+ years. That combo was specifically for Grizzly bears. Twice we stopped, guy went forward for a while to check for bears. He'd seen a couple of them a few days before. None seen, but bear scat was everywhere.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at February 21, 2021 09:53 PM (sy5kK)

564 jasonj, nice. Yup, quick change of .44 cap and ball cylinders or .45 long colt cylinders.

Are you gonna let us know how it shoots?

Posted by: callsign claymore at February 21, 2021 09:54 PM (B5IGS)

565 Thank you Weasel!

Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist at February 21, 2021 09:56 PM (TdMsT)

566 Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist at February 21, 2021 09:56 PM (TdMsT)
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Thank YOU!

Posted by: Weasel at February 21, 2021 10:06 PM (MVjcR)

567 I think with the proper arc, a 9mm at 200 yards would still poke a hole in a melon.

But no, it's not a good round for rifles. Agreed.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 21, 2021 10:33 PM (rdbLX)

568 I totally missed the gun thread this week. /sobs quietly/

Now to go read the content.

Posted by: GWB at February 21, 2021 10:45 PM (7kVu3)

569 "I understand they're not returning much in the way of available inventory"


I will say that Georgia Arms always seems to have _something_ available. Small batches of 100 to 1,000, and limited to a buy of 1 "pack", but always something, slow and steady.

Posted by: GWB at February 21, 2021 10:52 PM (7kVu3)

570 Well, late to the party, but I have a "range" report, for some values of "range".

Went out to the desert with lurker Osprey, and another buddy, and expended some ammo. The Walther P38 performed flawlessly, except for a FTF on one round that I will attribute to Peon error. It is a very sweet pistol to shoot.

Buddy's S&W model 10, that I fixed the hand spring on? It ran fine, too. He fired several cylinders, and I fired one. Another real nice piece.

The little H&R .32 hammerless? It went bang, right out of the gate, and I actually hit the little spinning target I was aiming at from 20 yards away. Surprised the hell out of me. Next round was FTF, one after that, I hit one of the other spinning targets. It just aims naturally, all I can say. But most of the other rounds were FTF. Either most of the old ammo I was using are duds, or else the firing pin strikes are on the weak side.

Osprey brought a Browning Hi-Power, a CZ .22 rifle, and a CZ 83 pistol. I fired that, and it is a sweet shooter, too.

Other buddy brought an FIE .22 pistol, and it managed to not fire at all. Barely dimpled the rim of the cartridge. So, I have another project.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 21, 2021 11:13 PM (mzC78)

571 Ladyl

I'm right handed with strong dominant left eye. I don't know if that makes any difference.

Oh! Oh!
Pick me!
I know this one:

Rotate the pistol held in your strong hand (right hand in your case)to the left about 30 degrees (so that the sights line up with your dominant eye...kinda semi-gansta style).
This is also the recommended technique when shooting weak hand only for strong hand same side dominant eye folks.

You have the delightful happenstance that when you shoot weak hand (left hand in your case) your left dominant eye will naturally fall to the sights and no rotation will be needed.

Posted by: waepnedmann at February 21, 2021 11:22 PM (9vPJV)

572 Liberal idiots think that if we got rid of all the firearms we would all live in Peace and Harmony and Liberals also think all illegal drugs should be legalized Liberals are such Idiots anyway

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at February 22, 2021 05:43 PM (FLiOE)

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