Saturday Evening Movie Thread 02-06-2021 [Hosted By: Moviegique]

WESTERNS FOR THE FILLIES

Last time, NaturalFake brought up The Wind Rises and suggested a post on movies that present subjects from difficult POVs. For example, The Wind Rises is a charming historical fiction about an airplane designer whose only outlet—because he's Japanese and it's the '30s—is building Zeros. The viewer must sympathize with a protagonist whose major early accomplishments involved killing a lot of American soldiers and helping drag the US into WWII. I started to build a list of other such movies—Birth of A Nation, Triumph of the Will, Paradise Now (or literally any Palestinian film since every single one of them is about how it's a good thing to blow up Jews), and a few others which are even darker in subtler ways—and it was, frankly, a depressing exercise.

It feels like a bad time to be depressing. But if there's a strong interest in the topic, I'll cover it next time.

Stewart, Vera Miles, Wayne and Edmond O'Brien. Nobody knows how to block like this any more.

Instead, let's talk about Westerns. And women. My #3 kid ("The Flower") has been smitten with Jimmy Stewart since before we saw Mr. Smith Goes To Washington, so I showed her The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance. Well, now she was smitten with John Wayne, too. I suggested (the non-Western) Ball of Fire, where a bookish Cooper woos gun moll Barbara Stanwyck, and now she loves Gary Cooper (and understands Stanwyck's appeal better versus the poodle wig Stanwyck of Double Indemnity). Since we were unable to go out to see movies, she suggested I put together a series of Westerns we could watch.

I put together a list of a couple dozen classics: Stagecoach, The Searchers, Shane and so on. But a funny thing happened when we put on a random 1938 flick, The Cowboy and the Lady: I remembered that once upon a time, Hollywood made films like the Koreans make them now. Even a lot of "less than classic" Westerns are really good, they're charming and entertaining and make you feel good. Not only that, the Western was such a comfortably American genre that hosted every other genre within them (romance, musicals, horror, etc.).

While "Western" as a genre tilts masculine, smart studios were always trying to woo women as well. Tales of gunslingin' and cow-punchin' draw in the men, so why not goose things a bit by throwing in some courtin'? In Cowboy and the Lady, Merle Oberon plays a post-college girl whose father has an ambition to be President, and who threatens said ambition by going out to a jazz club for a night on the town—when it is raided. Dad ships her off to their Palm Beach home where, desperate for any kind of entertainment, she convinces her maids to take her on a blind date with a bunch of cowboys in town for the rodeo.

This Merle Oberon picture causes my brain to stop working.

Cooper has her at "hello", but he's so proper—and aggressively uninterested in loose women—she has to use every trick her maids have taught her just to get a kiss out of him. (Look, embrace the fantasy, okay?) That kiss is enough to convince him that she's the wife he's been looking for, which puts her in an awkward position. Things escalate rapidly and before you know it, the two wed just in time for Daddy to bring home the political power brokers he needs to get the nomination.

Is it silly? Of course. The breakneck pace of Cooper and Oberon's romance is the sort of thing you might expect from a Lubitsch screwball comedy. Cooper delivers an unfortunately relevant lecture to a bunch of stuffed shirts condescending to him that reminds one that "the elite" have long scorned the rest of us. (Hollywood used to at least pretend to be on our side.) It wasn't critically well-received (the NYT criticized its politics, as if that mattered), but it's a crowd-pleasing feel-good time. Terrific supporting cast with faces you'll know, like Walter Brennan and Patsy Kelly and music by Alfred and Lionel Newman (Randy's uncles).

Another film that might appeal to the distaff set more than a traditional Western is Johnny Guitar. This actually is recognized as a classic Western, but the focus isn't a lawman, but an unbeloved saloon owner played by Joan Crawford (looking pretty good for 50 but only few years from her Baby Jane turn). The mere presence of Crawford turns this into more soaper than oater, to say nothing of the catfights between Crawford and Mercedes Cambridge (probably best known to y'all as the voice of Pazuzu in The Exorcist), and probably enhanced by the fact that Crawford was a real-life terror, destroying Cambridge's wardrobe in a fit of pique (and allegedly having her blackballed for years). Nicholas Ray claimed he threw up on the way in to the shoot every day.

"You sure we don't need a stunt double for the hanging scene?" "No, Joan, it's perfectly sa—er, fine. It's fine this way."

Poorly received at the time, it may be Republic's best Western—certainly up there with Rio Grande—and maybe even their best picture period, next to The Quiet Man. Supporting cast includes Ward Bond, Ernest Borgnine and John Carradine.

Another potential view for the fairer sex is The Furies, based on the novel by Niven Busch. Barbara Stanwyck plays a terror of a daughter to a terror of a man who lords over his cattle-land with an iron fist. Stanwyck rules over him, however, at least until he gets a girlfriend. Stanwyck, of course, was a powerhouse in the world of the Western. I'm not a TV guy but if IMDB can be believed, some of her best work was on "The Big Valley", "Wagon Train" and "Rawhide".

When the musical romantic comedy invades the western, it's hard for me to view it as much of a western, as "musical" overwhelms all. If someone made an opera out of The Good, The Bad and The Ugly (not as improbable as it sounds, considering the existence of Hercules vs. Vampires), your takeaway would be "opera" not "Western", I think. That said, Calamity Jane is a fun, frothy time with a western dressing. Like many of the musicals of the day (and many of Day's musicals), it's fairly forgettable.

But the thing is, it won't make you feel bad. And maybe that's the key: Virtually nobody in Hollywood at the time thought they had a mission to make the audience feel bad. Even the occasional downer (The Ox-Bow Incident) proceeded with the notion the audience would root for justice. The point was never to blame or degrade. And that's why a lot of even "middling" Westerns are still worth watching decades later.

Doris Day movies are crimes against history. But what are you trying to get history from a movie for?

Posted by: Open Blogger at 08:07 PM

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1 movies

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at February 06, 2021 08:08 PM (nUhF0)

2 Second?

Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist at February 06, 2021 08:09 PM (TdMsT)

3 The Duke!

Posted by: Skip at February 06, 2021 08:10 PM (Cxk7w)

4 I like early Joan Crawford! Saw a couple recently: "Rain" and "Strange Cargo". She was not afraid to play sleazy or prickly characters that you grow to like as the movie progresses.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at February 06, 2021 08:10 PM (Dc2NZ)

5 For a good propaganda film, moviegique - perhaps the best of all - I suggest Alexander Nevsky, directed by Sergei Eisenstein.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at February 06, 2021 08:10 PM (49Dnm)

6 OM nooded.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp, Have Gun Will Travel at February 06, 2021 08:10 PM (bkUtD)

7 There's actual Palestinian cinema? Does it have goat sex scenes?

Posted by: Ian S. at February 06, 2021 08:11 PM (6XLoz)

8 I saw The Wild Bunch for the first time a few years ago. It lived up to my exectations.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp, Have Gun Will Travel at February 06, 2021 08:12 PM (bkUtD)

9 Mercedes McCambridge also received a standing ovation from the crew for her big scene in that movie, which also didn't endear her to Crawford.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at February 06, 2021 08:12 PM (Dc2NZ)

10 I saw The Wild Bunch for the first time a few years ago. It lived up to my exectations.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp, Have Gun Will Travel

I saw that in the movies when it first came out.

Posted by: JT at February 06, 2021 08:13 PM (arJlL)

11 I saw The Wild Bunch for the first time a few years ago. It lived up to my exectations.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp, Have Gun Will Travel

"We want Angel"

Posted by: JT at February 06, 2021 08:14 PM (arJlL)

12 >>>I saw that in the movies when it first came out.
Posted by: JT

I am NOT calling you old!

Posted by: Wyatt Earp, Have Gun Will Travel at February 06, 2021 08:14 PM (bkUtD)

13 Crawford looks like late-stage Michael Jackson in that pic

Posted by: DB- just DB at February 06, 2021 08:14 PM (iTXRQ)

14 I'm not much for Westerns, and I don't know why. I like some of the Spaghetti Westerns but beyond that, not much else. (But man, I am a big Clint Eastwood guy. Great actor.)

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at February 06, 2021 08:14 PM (49Dnm)

15 5 For a good propaganda film, moviegique - perhaps the best of all - I suggest Alexander Nevsky, directed by Sergei Eisenstein.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at February 06, 2021 08:10 PM (49Dnm)

Score by Prokofiev! I went to a symphony concert where they screened the Battle on the Ice sequence as they played it.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at February 06, 2021 08:14 PM (Dc2NZ)

16 Just watched 'Hondo', old school John Wayne.

Sure as hell could not make that movie today.

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 06, 2021 08:14 PM (oHd/0)

17 The Human Stain was a very good depressing movie and I hate depressing movies.

I've said before two of my favorite 'Western' movies take place in Australia. Quigley Down Under and Man From Snowy River.

Joe Kidd is Eastwood's most underrated Western. He did an awful remake called the Gaunlet.

Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at February 06, 2021 08:15 PM (2DOZq)

18 >>>But man, I am a big Clint Eastwood guy. Great actor.)
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33

Unforgiven is amazing, but my favorite of his westerns is Pale Rider.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp, Have Gun Will Travel at February 06, 2021 08:16 PM (bkUtD)

19 Funny, when you mentioned POV, I was thinking of Liberty Valance... as in, I thought you meant a film where events are viewed differently by different characters.

Anyhoo, speaking of Westerns and Barbara Stanwyck, I'm not old enough to have seen The Big Valley, but when I was younger that was my only image of her. The grizzled, hard edged matron.

Then I saw The Lady Eve... and I've been in love ever since. Ball of Fire is one of my favorites.

As for Cooper... bleh. He's always a stiff, in everything he does.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 06, 2021 08:16 PM (oQ94s)

20 Favorite anti-totalitarian film is Ninotchka. But it is not a Western.

Posted by: mrp at February 06, 2021 08:16 PM (HKAOM)

21 What makes "Johnny Guitar" fun is that it's Sterling Hayden as the hot blond the two leads are fighting over.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at February 06, 2021 08:17 PM (Dc2NZ)

22
"Oh you can't get a man with a gun...'

Posted by: Doris Day at February 06, 2021 08:17 PM (cGzEU)

23 Score by Prokofiev! I went to a symphony concert where they screened the Battle on the Ice sequence as they played it.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at February 06, 2021 08:14 PM (Dc2NZ)

NO WAY! (I have seen the Cantata performed in concert before, sans screenings. That had to be awesome! I do love the score. So much so that I have it on CD/phone.)

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at February 06, 2021 08:17 PM (49Dnm)

24 I like watching Wagon Train episodes. Some of the actors that turn up are surprising. There were some good stories and some stinkers, but they are always entertaining.

Posted by: f'd at February 06, 2021 08:17 PM (dTZDj)

25 What makes "Johnny Guitar" fun is that it's Sterling Hayden as the hot blond the two leads are fighting over.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at February 06, 2021 08:17 PM (Dc2NZ)
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Did he deny them his essence?

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at February 06, 2021 08:17 PM (WENj9)

26 I am NOT calling you old!
Posted by: Wyatt Earp, Have Gun Will Travel

Shrugs....it is what it is.

Posted by: JT at February 06, 2021 08:18 PM (arJlL)

27 "Run Hide Fight" (2020) Stupid but watchable. Not as grisly as I feared. Narcissist terror leader teen combines the megalomania of David Hogg with the snottiness of Billie Joe Armstrong. Like most movie lead villains, he's undone by talking too much. The lead actress does fine channeling Sarah Connor. She might become the next JLaw. One of the a-holes carries an MP40, which is probably the least likely firearm to be used by a teen school shooter.

"A Rage To Live" (1965) From the tawdry typewriter of John O'Hara. Insatiable hosebeast Suzanne Pleshette spreads her ... scandals throughout midwestern society, gifting gentry and commoner alike. Below-her-class Ben Gazzara can't get enough, and spoils the fun for everybody. This movie is guaranteed to piss off feminists.

"Breakthrough" (1979) Skippable WWII flick with Richard Burton (54 years old, but looks 74 and jaundiced) as the Nazi sergeant with the thousand-yard-stare. Film is most notable for use of clumsy and jarringly inapt musical cues, which ruin many a scene.

Posted by: gp's Movie Laffs at February 06, 2021 08:18 PM (qpX6U)

28 As for Cooper... bleh. He's always a stiff, in everything he does.
Posted by: BurtTC

Randolph Scott thought so too.

Posted by: Tonypete at February 06, 2021 08:18 PM (Rvt88)

29 Some of my favorites.

Winchester '73
Ulzana's Raid
Cat Ballou
Little Big Man
One Eyed Jacks

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 06, 2021 08:18 PM (VVEnO)

30 Unforgiven is amazing, but my favorite of his westerns is Pale Rider.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp, Have Gun Will Travel at February 06, 2021 08:16 PM (bkUtD)

In my family, otherwise known as Pale Face (because my father kept calling it that). That's a good one too. Again, Eastwood.

Unforgiven was a movie I could not get into.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at February 06, 2021 08:19 PM (49Dnm)

31 My favorite John Wayne movie is The Cowboys. One of only two movies I saw with my father at the theater. Sentimental value has something to do with it but I was also a kid so it was awesome.

Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at February 06, 2021 08:19 PM (2DOZq)

32 >>Then I saw The Lady Eve...

Positively the same dame!

>> What makes "Johnny Guitar" fun is that it's Sterling Hayden as the hot blond the two leads are fighting over.

Ha! Good point!

Posted by: moviegique at February 06, 2021 08:19 PM (dhFCT)

33 At this point in time, what the hell does "depressing" even mean, any more ?

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at February 06, 2021 08:19 PM (PpU3N)

34 >>>Randolph Scott thought so too.
Posted by: Tonypete

RANDOLPH SCOTT!!!

Posted by: The Cast of Blazing Saddles at February 06, 2021 08:19 PM (bkUtD)

35 So I watched Kingdom of Heaven this week for the 2nd time and I still think it is a good story well told. Sure the history is much imagined but it is still a good story.

Legolas isn't even as bad in it as people make out and the rest of the characters are huge.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 06, 2021 08:19 PM (yQpMk)

36 Best Western is Seven Samurai. Yojimbo is second.
Fight me.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 06, 2021 08:20 PM (ZHVt1)

37 Merle would introduce her eastern Indian mom as her maid to people

nice

Posted by: REDACTED at February 06, 2021 08:20 PM (zZxh0)

38 Greetings:

John Wayne's and John Ford's "Rio Grande" has an interesting family dynamic subplot and is kind of an homage to my favorite military guy, Ranald (Bad Hand) Slidell McKenzie.

Posted by: 11B40 at February 06, 2021 08:20 PM (evgyj)

39 My wife's favorite western is "The Missing", with Cate Blanchett and Tommy Lee Jones. It's a rough remake of "The Searchers", and even I think it's got elements that are better than the original.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 06, 2021 08:20 PM (V2Yro)

40 >>>Unforgiven was a movie I could not get into.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33

It certainly has its slow parts, but the majority of it is great, IMO. Especially the ending. Top-notch.

Posted by: The Cast of Blazing Saddles at February 06, 2021 08:20 PM (bkUtD)

41 Liberty Valence....Lee Marvin was good as a bad guy.

And as Tully Crow in The Comancheros.

Posted by: JT at February 06, 2021 08:20 PM (arJlL)

42 As for Cooper... bleh. He's always a stiff, in everything he does.
Posted by: BurtTC

Randolph Scott thought so too.
Posted by: Tonypete at February 06, 2021 08:18 PM (Rvt8

Heyo!

I believe you mean Cary Grant.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 06, 2021 08:20 PM (oQ94s)

43 Off Mel Brooks sock!

Posted by: Wyatt Earp, Have Gun Will Travel at February 06, 2021 08:21 PM (bkUtD)

44 Here's a fun fact. John Wayne used the same hat in all his westerns.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 06, 2021 08:21 PM (kTF2Z)

45 Desert isle movies.

Quigley Down Under
Outlaw Josey Wales
Jeremiah Johnson

Posted by: Yobobby at February 06, 2021 08:21 PM (et0yP)

46 So I watched Kingdom of Heaven this week for the 2nd time and I still think it is a good story well told. Sure the history is much imagined but it is still a good story.

Legolas isn't even as bad in it as people make out and the rest of the characters are huge.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 06, 2021 08:19 PM (yQpMk)
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I saw it in the theater when it came out and didn't think much of it. I hear there's a Director's Cut. Is that better?

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at February 06, 2021 08:21 PM (WENj9)

47 There's actual Palestinian cinema?
Posted by: Ian S.

Not exported. It bombs everywhere else.

Posted by: someone was gonna say it at February 06, 2021 08:21 PM (P1f+c)

48 39 My wife's favorite western is "The Missing", with Cate Blanchett and Tommy Lee Jones. It's a rough remake of "The Searchers", and even I think it's got elements that are better than the original.
Posted by: Tom Servo at February 06, 2021 08:20 PM (V2Yro)

The Missing > Bone Tomahawk

Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at February 06, 2021 08:21 PM (2DOZq)

49 I'd throw Shenandoah in my favorite westerns if it's considered a western.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 06, 2021 08:22 PM (VVEnO)

50 Loved Westward The Women.

Posted by: John Kebbel at February 06, 2021 08:22 PM (uj0DU)

51 Some of my favorites.

Winchester '73
Ulzana's Raid
Cat Ballou
Little Big Man
One Eyed Jacks
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 06, 2021 08:18 PM (VVEnO)

Cat Ballou would have been infinitely better if they hadn't stopped the movie every ten minutes to have NK Cole and that fat guy singing stupid songs.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 06, 2021 08:23 PM (oQ94s)

52 Speaking of westerns, I kept hearing about the scene in Bone Tomahawk so I found a written description. Hard pass.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 06, 2021 08:23 PM (kTF2Z)

53 >>>I saw it in the theater when it came out and didn't think much of it. I hear there's a Director's Cut. Is that better?
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea

mmm... Eva Green!

Posted by: Wyatt Earp, Have Gun Will Travel at February 06, 2021 08:23 PM (bkUtD)

54 Best Western is Seven Samurai

The Magnificent Seven was based on that.

Posted by: JT at February 06, 2021 08:23 PM (arJlL)

55 Doris Day. Probably the most beautiful woman ever. Except for Mama Eromero, who used to cook hamburgers for us and take me and my older brother and baby sister to the drive-in for her movies.

Posted by: Eromero at February 06, 2021 08:23 PM (em79L)

56 42 As for Cooper... bleh. He's always a stiff, in everything he does.
Posted by: BurtTC

Randolph Scott thought so too.
Posted by: Tonypete at February 06, 2021 08:18 PM (Rvt8

Cooper was perfect for Sargeant York

Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at February 06, 2021 08:24 PM (2DOZq)

57 I am 15 minutes into The Unforgiven and it is boring me.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 06, 2021 08:24 PM (yQpMk)

58 that fat guy singing stupid songs.
Posted by: BurtTC

Stubby Kaye

Posted by: JT at February 06, 2021 08:24 PM (arJlL)

59 NK Cole and that fat guy singing stupid songs.

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Some of my favorite parts.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 06, 2021 08:24 PM (VVEnO)

60 >>Favorite anti-totalitarian film is Ninotchka. But it is not a Western.

Love Lubitsch. Could easily do many threads on him.

If it wasn't clear, though, I'm talking in the first paragraph about POVs which are actually antipathetic to you, the viewer. "Heroic Nazi scientists figure out how to kill Jews faster before the Allies can free them!" kind of thing. It can get super dark.

Oh, it was "The Obvious Child" where I kind of noped out. It's is a pro-abortion movie, and without the veneer of history to give any detachment? Oy.

Many good movies have been made from the viewpoint of people we now consider fairly evil. One could argue ALL modern Hollywood movies are that way...but that's an even darker road.

Posted by: moviegique at February 06, 2021 08:24 PM (dhFCT)

61 mmm... Eva Green!

Yeah, she plays the Queen of Jerusalem huge.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 06, 2021 08:24 PM (yQpMk)

62 NK Cole and that fat guy singing stupid songs.

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Some of my favorite parts.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 06, 2021 08:24 PM (VVEnO)
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I cannot unsee them mimng their banjo playing.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at February 06, 2021 08:25 PM (WENj9)

63 >>>Yeah, she plays the Queen of Jerusalem huge.
Posted by: G'rump928(c)

She is absolutely gorgeous, and is a fairly talented actress.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp, Have Gun Will Travel at February 06, 2021 08:25 PM (bkUtD)

64 My favorite John Wayne movie is The Cowboys.

Bruce Dern got hate mail for killing John Wayne.

Posted by: JT at February 06, 2021 08:25 PM (arJlL)

65 The Unforgiven - Be careful what you wish for.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 06, 2021 08:25 PM (kTF2Z)

66
For a good propaganda film, moviegique - perhaps the best of all - I suggest Alexander Nevsky, directed by Sergei Eisenstein.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33

One of the neat things about Nevsky is the really outlandish Teutonic helmets. Which John Milius used for Thulsa Doom's minions in Conan the Barbarian.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 06, 2021 08:25 PM (EGyGV)

67 Then I saw The Lady Eve...
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Positively the same dame!

Posted by: moviegique at February 06, 2021 08:19 PM (dhFCT)

Pretty much, but Lady Eve has the added benefit of crisp Preston Sturges writing. And Fonda... who is slightly less stiff than Cooper.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 06, 2021 08:25 PM (oQ94s)

68 Evening all. I heard both Mercedes and Joan were known alcoholics but Joan was a working alcoholic ( on time, knew her lines) whereas Mercedes was hung over cranky, and acted unprofessional on set. Saw the discussion of the two actresses on TCM between the two hosts ( old guy & younger guy) and it appeared they had researched.

Posted by: MI'sMIMI at February 06, 2021 08:26 PM (g0gdr)

69 Here's a fun fact. John Wayne used the same hat in all his westerns.
Posted by: Duke Lowell
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Hmm. Intersection with the Gun Thread, Matt Dillon's pistol. The info at the bottom re Arvo Ojala is interesting too:
https://tinyurl.com/y5dm3pn9

Posted by: Doris Day at February 06, 2021 08:26 PM (GBHAb)

70 >>>For a good propaganda film, moviegique - perhaps the best of all - I suggest Alexander Nevsky, directed by Sergei Eisenstein.

TMC used to run Ivan the Terrible (1944). English subtitles, but it was an interesting film.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp, Have Gun Will Travel at February 06, 2021 08:27 PM (bkUtD)

71 NK Cole and that fat guy singing stupid songs.

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Some of my favorite parts.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 06, 2021 08:24 PM (VVEnO)

Gah! I'm not inviting you to my next wedding.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 06, 2021 08:27 PM (oQ94s)

72 Many good movies have been made from the viewpoint of people we now consider fairly evil. One could argue ALL modern Hollywood movies are that way...but that's an even darker road.
Posted by: moviegique at February 06, 2021 08:24 PM (dhFCT)

One reason I brought up Alexander Nevsky. For an even better example, Ivan the Terrible Part I (I haven't seen Part II). Stalin saw Ivan IV as a hero and this was why he commissioned Eisenstein to make the movie.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at February 06, 2021 08:27 PM (49Dnm)

73 Every father should sit down with their son /sons and watch Quigley Down Under. Everything a man should be.

Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at February 06, 2021 08:27 PM (2DOZq)

74 >> I am 15 minutes into The Unforgiven and it is boring me.

Moviegique gique-out: The Unforgiven (1960) Burt Lancaster, Audrey Hepburn, and Unforgiven (1992) bear no relation.

Posted by: moviegique at February 06, 2021 08:27 PM (dhFCT)

75 There's actual Palestinian cinema?

The movies are a blast !

Posted by: JT at February 06, 2021 08:28 PM (arJlL)

76 50 Loved Westward The Women.
Posted by: John Kebbel at February 06, 2021 08:22 PM (uj0DU)

I do too, especially for scenes like the one where he finds out which ones of them really know how to shoot. A few do.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 06, 2021 08:28 PM (V2Yro)

77 started watching a korean sf movie on nfx - Space Sweepers
seems promising
gritty feel similar to 5th Element

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at February 06, 2021 08:28 PM (nUhF0)

78 68 Evening all. I heard both Mercedes and Joan were known alcoholics but Joan was a working alcoholic ( on time, knew her lines) whereas Mercedes was hung over cranky, and acted unprofessional on set. Saw the discussion of the two actresses on TCM between the two hosts ( old guy & younger guy) and it appeared they had researched.
Posted by: MI'sMIMI at February 06, 2021 08:26 PM (g0gdr)
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I have respect for working alcoholics. The type like Robert Downey Jr. who used to come to the set hammered but bust out flawless takes.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at February 06, 2021 08:28 PM (Dc2NZ)

79 There's actual Palestinian cinema?

The movies are a blast !
Posted by: JT at February 06, 2021 08:28 PM (arJlL)
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You guys slay me.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at February 06, 2021 08:28 PM (WENj9)

80 @46

I haven't seen the film but my over arching principle is that all director's cuts are simply the director chicken fucking his film for whatever reason and are universally inferior to the original theatrical cut.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at February 06, 2021 08:29 PM (MPxFG)

81 >>>started watching a korean sf movie on nfx - Space Sweepers
seems promising
gritty feel similar to 5th Element
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion

How do you say I am a meat popsicle in Korean?

Posted by: Wyatt Earp, Have Gun Will Travel at February 06, 2021 08:29 PM (bkUtD)

82 Here's a fun fact. John Wayne used the same hat in all his westerns.
Posted by: Duke Lowell
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But not the same underwear.

Posted by: JT at February 06, 2021 08:29 PM (arJlL)

83 Greetings: @ 54

The local classical music station plays the theme from "The Magnificent Seven" from time to time. It also takes requests. So, I send the announcer this request.
"My masculinity needs a giddy-up. Why don't you cut the theme out of your musical corral and let it go for a good long gallop."

When it was played, the My masculinity needs a giddy-up part was dropped.

Posted by: 11B40 at February 06, 2021 08:29 PM (evgyj)

84 While not a "western" western. JW Coop certainly captures the ethos of the western. One of my favorites.

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at February 06, 2021 08:29 PM (r1z5A)

85 The Unforgiven - Be careful what you wish for.
Posted by: Duke Lowell
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One of my favorite western quotes:

“Now I Don’t Want to Kill You, and You Don’t Want to be Dead.”

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 06, 2021 08:29 PM (GBHAb)

86
My favorite John Wayne movie is The Cowboys.

Bruce Dern got hate mail for killing John Wayne.
Posted by: JT

Dern was warned about taking a role that would involve him killing The Duke. "You take this role, Middle America is gonna hate your guts."

"Yeah, but they'll LOOOOVE me in Berkeley!"

Dern's a prick.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 06, 2021 08:29 PM (EGyGV)

87 Aside from Lee Marvin, Stubby Kaye and NKCole are the redeeming features of Cat Ballou. Sadly, it was the last thing Cole did.

Posted by: Beatgirl at February 06, 2021 08:30 PM (a1s18)

88
TMC used to run Ivan the Terrible (1944). English subtitles, but it was an interesting film.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp, Have Gun Will Travel at February 06, 2021 08:27 PM (bkUtD)

Fascinating, especially for its use of shadows.

I got a taste for Eisenstein from a Russian history class that I took; the prof was a huge film buff and assigned Ivan the Terrible Part I for viewing one year. I thought "great, black and white, Russian with subtitles." But I got into it. A very interesting thing to watch.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at February 06, 2021 08:30 PM (49Dnm)

89 Watched today Battle of Rzhev a 2019 Russian movie taking place in WWII
.https://youtu.be/59wMlVu3fIA
It's all in Russian but possible subtitles on Roku
But if you like realistic war movies watch a few minutes of the begi nnijng.

Posted by: Skip at February 06, 2021 08:30 PM (Cxk7w)

90 67 Then I saw The Lady Eve...
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Positively the same dame!

Posted by: moviegique at February 06, 2021 08:19 PM (dhFCT)

Pretty much, but Lady Eve has the added benefit of crisp Preston Sturges writing. And Fonda... who is slightly less stiff than Cooper.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 06, 2021 08:25 PM (oQ94s)
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"Positively the same dame!" is the closing line of the movie, delivered by William Demarest (more than once actually).

Posted by: moviegique at February 06, 2021 08:30 PM (dhFCT)

91 " They Died With Their Boots On"

Posted by: Ben Had at February 06, 2021 08:30 PM (O2+xe)

92 Here's a fun fact. John Wayne used the same hat in all his westerns.

Posted by: Duke Lowell

Gotta disagree...The Searchers.

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at February 06, 2021 08:31 PM (r1z5A)

93 Hah , Silverado just started on ScreenPix.

That is one of the better 'newer' Westerns . ( 1985)

Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at February 06, 2021 08:31 PM (2DOZq)

94 68 Evening all. I heard both Mercedes and Joan were known alcoholics but Joan was a working alcoholic ( on time, knew her lines) whereas Mercedes was hung over cranky, and acted unprofessional on set. Saw the discussion of the two actresses on TCM between the two hosts ( old guy & younger guy) and it appeared they had researched.
Posted by: MI'sMIMI at February 06, 2021 08:26 PM (g0gdr)

I got a read on Joan's personality when I found out that she first had sex when she was raped by an abusive step father when she was 11 years old, and then she found out that he would give her whatever she asked for if she kept it up. That was the basic nature of every relationship she had for the rest of her life.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 06, 2021 08:31 PM (V2Yro)

95 I liked Cat Ballou.
When Marvin was going through his divorce he'd sometimes show up at Ft Huachuca AZ where his half brother was the commander of the Army's intel school. They could of been twins.

Posted by: Diogenes at February 06, 2021 08:31 PM (axyOa)

96 Many good movies have been made from the viewpoint of people we now consider fairly evil. One could argue ALL modern Hollywood movies are that way...but that's an even darker road.

Darn moviegique you beat me to that.

I was going to /sarc/ about Pleasantville, Jarhead, American Beauty, etc, anything written by Paul Schrader, um, anything where the hero is a journalist...

Posted by: Hands at February 06, 2021 08:31 PM (786Ro)

97 But not the same underwear.
Posted by: JT at February 06, 2021 08:29 PM (arJlL)

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Another fun fact. Justine Bateman never wore underwear while shooting Family Ties.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 06, 2021 08:31 PM (kTF2Z)

98 >>>I thought "great, black and white, Russian with subtitles." But I got into it. A very interesting thing to watch.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33

Took every Russian history course my college offered, and I feel the same way. It's different, but it's a great film.

My wife always tells me I would have had much better grades without the Russian History and the Shakespeare classes.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp, Have Gun Will Travel at February 06, 2021 08:31 PM (bkUtD)

99 Probably the most male enjoyable chick flick of all time is "Random Harvest"

I dare you to find a woman who does not cry at the end

Posted by: REDACTED at February 06, 2021 08:31 PM (zZxh0)

100 High Plains Drifter

Posted by: kactus at February 06, 2021 08:32 PM (1Qgg7)

101 Yeah, those Eisenstein movies are, uh, revolutionary.

*ducks incoming tomatoes*

But so was "Birth of a Nation".

Posted by: moviegique at February 06, 2021 08:33 PM (dhFCT)

102 My favorite westerns are The Cowboys and Magnificent Seven

Posted by: Skip at February 06, 2021 08:33 PM (Cxk7w)

103 80 @46

I haven't seen the film but my over arching principle is that all director's cuts are simply the director chicken fucking his film for whatever reason and are universally inferior to the original theatrical cut.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at February 06, 2021 08:29 PM (MPxFG)

Hollowood has gone through several power shifts over the years, and sometimes you have an over-indulgent director who thinks everything he touches, including his own anus, is art.

However... there are MANY films where the director is not much more than a technician, because studio execs are constantly breathing down his neck... and WILL fire him if they don't like what he's doing.

So the theatrical release has often been somebody else's work, really. And sometimes yeah, the director is better equipped to put final product together, exponentially better than studio bean counters.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 06, 2021 08:33 PM (oQ94s)

104 Another potential view for the fairer sex is The Furies ...-----
Hollywood to remake this starring Beta O'Rourke in an all-transgender cast as The Furries ...
Thanks for the write-up, Moviegique!

Posted by: ShainS at February 06, 2021 08:33 PM (WqPYg)

105
There's actual Palestinian cinema?

The movies are a blast !
Posted by: JT at February 06, 2021 08:28 PM (arJlL)
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You guys slay me.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea

CUT!

Posted by: Palestinian Film Director at February 06, 2021 08:33 PM (EGyGV)

106 Doris Day

"I knew her before she became a virgin" - Oscar Levant

Posted by: JT at February 06, 2021 08:33 PM (arJlL)

107 >>>Yeah, those Eisenstein movies are, uh, revolutionary.
*ducks incoming tomatoes*
But so was "Birth of a Nation".
Posted by: moviegique

Booo!

Posted by: Wyatt Earp, Have Gun Will Travel at February 06, 2021 08:33 PM (bkUtD)

108
Desert isle movies.

Quigley Down Under
Outlaw Josey Wales
Jeremiah Johnson
Posted by: Yobobby

Heaven Knows, Mr. Allison

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 06, 2021 08:34 PM (63Dwl)

109 One of my favorite western quotes:

"Now I Don't Want to Kill You, and You Don't Want to be Dead."
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 06, 2021 08:29 PM (GBHAb)

Right next to "You just killed an unarmed man!!!"
Clint: "Well he shoulda armed hisself."

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 06, 2021 08:34 PM (V2Yro)

110 How do you say I am a meat popsicle in Korean?
Posted by: Wyatt Earp

something gogi something

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at February 06, 2021 08:34 PM (nUhF0)

111 As said above by a genius moron, The Outlaw Josey Wales, then of course The Shootist. And the cavalry trilogy goes without saying, as does The Sand Pebbles, Midway (original), The Longest Day, A Bridge Too Far. The Gods Must Be Crazy, Silent Running. OK, I'm done. Second Kraken.

Posted by: Eromero at February 06, 2021 08:34 PM (em79L)

112 Hah , Silverado just started on ScreenPix.

That is one of the better 'newer' Westerns . ( 1985)
Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks
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'You know, a good, smelly saloon is my favorite place in the world."

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 06, 2021 08:34 PM (bk3Sg)

113 "He Walked By Night" (194

Pretty good police procedural with fiendish master criminal Richard Basehart. Jack Webb's first credited role. The underground scenes are beautifully filmed.

"The Man Who Cheated Himself" (1950) Fledgling detective John Dall bird-dogs his older brother veteran cop Lee J. Cobb. Not bad story; good location shots of old San Francisco. To see Dall dial it up to eleven, watch "Rope."

"Money Madness" (194

Evil double-crosser Ward Cleaver, lugging a valise of hot cash, bumps into hawt malt-shop brunette Frances Rafferty. He stalks her, which charms her into a prompt marriage, as so often happens in movie scripts. Shadows fall and bad things happen, which make her pout, which is good, because her lovely lips are the only thing worth watching here.

Posted by: gp's Movie Laffs at February 06, 2021 08:34 PM (qpX6U)

114 >>>something gogi something
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion

Close enough!

Posted by: Wyatt Earp, Have Gun Will Travel at February 06, 2021 08:35 PM (bkUtD)

115 99 Probably the most male enjoyable chick flick of all time is "Random Harvest"

I dare you to find a woman who does not cry at the end
Posted by: REDACTED at February 06, 2021 08:31 PM (zZxh0)
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This is one of my mother's favorite movies (she's a big Ronald Coleman fan). Greer's sweetness and restrained agony are what make it such a great tearjerker.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at February 06, 2021 08:35 PM (Dc2NZ)

116 89 Watched today Battle of Rzhev a 2019 Russian movie taking place in WWII
.https://youtu.be/59wMlVu3fIA
It's all in Russian but possible subtitles on Roku
But if you like realistic war movies watch a few minutes of the begi nnijng.
Posted by: Skip at February 06, 2021 08:30 PM (Cxk7w)

The aforementioned Russian history prof #(9

would recommend to us Come and See (1985) whenever the subject of WWII came up. I still need to see that. He stated that if you thought the opening 20 minutes of Saving Private Ryan were too much, to stay away from Come and See.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at February 06, 2021 08:35 PM (49Dnm)

117 Posted by: moviegique at February 06, 2021 08:19 PM (dhFCT)

Pretty much, but Lady Eve has the added benefit of crisp Preston Sturges writing. And Fonda... who is slightly less stiff than Cooper.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 06, 2021 08:25 PM (oQ94s)
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"Positively the same dame!" is the closing line of the movie, delivered by William Demarest (more than once actually).
Posted by: moviegique at February 06, 2021 08:30 PM (dhFCT)

Oh! Sorry, I thought you were commenting on the characters she played in those two films.

Now I remember. Demarest was a national treasure.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 06, 2021 08:36 PM (oQ94s)

118 One of my favorite western quotes:

"Now I Don't Want to Kill You, and You Don't Want to be Dead."

I regret trifling with married women. I'm thoroughly ashamed at cheating at cards. I deplore my occasional departures from the truth. Forgive me for taking your name in vain, my Saturday drunkenness, my Sunday sloth. Above all, forgive me for the men I've killed in anger ... and those I am about to.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 06, 2021 08:36 PM (yQpMk)

119 Many great films already mentioned -- gotta add "Once Upon A Time in the West."

Posted by: ShainS at February 06, 2021 08:36 PM (WqPYg)

120 99 Probably the most male enjoyable chick flick of all time is "Random Harvest"

I dare you to find a woman who does not cry at the end
Posted by: REDACTED at February 06, 2021 08:31 PM (zZxh0)

yep, we watched it, and I was thinking "well that was kinda far fetched" but my wife is sitting there with a box of kleenex.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 06, 2021 08:36 PM (V2Yro)

121 There's actual Palestinian cinema?

The movies are a blast !
Posted by: JT at February 06, 2021 08:28 PM (arJlL)
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You guys slay me.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea

CUT!
Posted by: Palestinian Film Director

Guys, guys, let's not lose our heads over this.

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at February 06, 2021 08:36 PM (nUhF0)

122 From time as a kid always loved westerns.

Posted by: Skip at February 06, 2021 08:36 PM (Cxk7w)

123 Aside from Lee Marvin, Stubby Kaye and NKCole are the redeeming features of Cat Ballou. Sadly, it was the last thing Cole did.
Posted by: Beatgirl

And lee marvin's horse.

Posted by: JT at February 06, 2021 08:36 PM (arJlL)

124 Oh, and of course "Tombstone" in which Val Kilmer deserved an Oscar.

Posted by: ShainS at February 06, 2021 08:36 PM (WqPYg)

125 I was going to /sarc/ about Pleasantville, Jarhead, American Beauty, etc, anything written by Paul Schrader, um, anything where the hero is a journalist...

Yeah, you can see how genuinely depressing it can get.

And for those who said they never got into westerns? I was in the same boat most of life, until about 2000, when I was nearly 29, and my dad and I took in a ten-great-western film series, and even more now, when I'm nearly 29, and my kid is getting into them.

But when I grew up it was all space opera and fantasy and westerns bored me to tears. Now I look at it and go, "Hey, look, here's what an American movie looks like when it wants you to have fun and doesn't hate you."

Posted by: moviegique at February 06, 2021 08:37 PM (dhFCT)

126 "Your eyes look terrible!"
"You should see 'em from MY side."

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at February 06, 2021 08:37 PM (Dc2NZ)

127 I have tried every way to see Come and See but it would need Netflix or so.

Posted by: Skip at February 06, 2021 08:38 PM (Cxk7w)

128 I just purchased Deadwood dvd. Greatest tv western ever made. It's like the Shakespeare of cussin'.
Ian McShane, Powers Booth and Timothy O. Great cast.

Posted by: Beatgirl at February 06, 2021 08:38 PM (a1s18)

129 Just saw Annie Oakley with Barbara Stanwyck. Thought she was really good in it.

Posted by: dartist at February 06, 2021 08:38 PM (+ya+t)

130 What Western show / movie had a sawed off Winchester?

Sawed off double barreled 12 gauge?

Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks at February 06, 2021 08:39 PM (2DOZq)

131 101 Yeah, those Eisenstein movies are, uh, revolutionary.

*ducks incoming tomatoes*

But so was "Birth of a Nation".

Posted by: moviegique at February 06, 2021 08:33 PM (dhFCT)

*Hurls tomato*

Well, yeah, Eisenstein was a director in Stalin's USSR so he was going to make Communist propaganda. Still, from a technical standpoint, he was a good director.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at February 06, 2021 08:39 PM (49Dnm)

132 Ian McShane, Powers Booth and Timothy O. Great cast.
Posted by: Beatgirl at February 06, 2021 08:38 PM (a1s1

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Timothy Olyphant is the master of the Death Glare. Just so many scenes in Deadwood where he looks like he's barely restraining himself from murdering whoever he's talking to.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at February 06, 2021 08:39 PM (WENj9)

133 "Your eyes look terrible!"

"You should see 'em from MY side."

Posted by: All Hail Eris
Heh! "You gave that man 35 dollars?! Were you trying to kill him?!"

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at February 06, 2021 08:39 PM (r1z5A)

134 One of my favorite western quotes:

"Now I Don't Want to Kill You, and You Don't Want to be Dead."
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 06, 2021 08:29 PM (GBHAb)

Right next to "You just killed an unarmed man!!!"
Clint: "Well he shoulda armed hisself."
Posted by: Tom Servo

"Was this revolver loaded and cocked ?"
"Well, a gun that's unloaded and cocked ain't good for nuthin"

Posted by: JT at February 06, 2021 08:40 PM (arJlL)

135 The Shootist: I won't be wronged. I won't be insulted. I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people and I require the same from them.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 06, 2021 08:40 PM (kTF2Z)

136 Just finished watching North to Alaska this afternoon. I almost changed when the intro was so weird/slap stick.

Posted by: Infidel at February 06, 2021 08:40 PM (twGU3)

137 I got a read on Joan's personality when I found out that she first had sex when she was raped by an abusive step father when she was 11 years old, and then she found out that he would give her whatever she asked for if she kept it up. That was the basic nature of every relationship she had for the rest of her life.
Posted by: Tom Servo at February 06, 2021 08:31 PM (V2Yro)
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Eeek. TCM hosts didn't mention that. That sort of childhood horror would drive anyone to drink.

Posted by: MI'sMIMI at February 06, 2021 08:40 PM (g0gdr)

138 "Wanted, Dead or Alive" "The Rebel."?

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at February 06, 2021 08:40 PM (r1z5A)

139 Just watched Werner Herzog's documentary "Fireball," about meteorites and asteroid impacts. Great fun and gorgeous to watch. Gorgeous photography, nice interviews with real scientists, tedious interviews with "Native Peoples" telling their bullshit primitive superstitions about meteors, and hilarious batshit crazy digressions by Werner.

Anything becomes funny if you say it in Werner's voice.

Posted by: Trimegistus at February 06, 2021 08:41 PM (QZxDR)

140 Sawed off double barreled 12 gauge?
Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks

Wanted Dead or Alive

Posted by: JT at February 06, 2021 08:41 PM (arJlL)

141 Greetings:

Interesting "Magnificent Seven" bit of tid, the young Mexican member went back to Mexico and stayed there.

Posted by: 11B40 at February 06, 2021 08:41 PM (evgyj)

142 What Western show / movie had a sawed off Winchester?
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Wanted Dead or Alive with Steve McQueen?

Posted by: dartist at February 06, 2021 08:41 PM (+ya+t)

143 And lee marvin's horse.

*snicker*

Posted by: Beatgirl at February 06, 2021 08:42 PM (a1s18)

144 3:10 to Yuma
The Shootist

Posted by: Jmel at February 06, 2021 08:42 PM (bVhJi)

145 Paden: You're wearing my hat. What else you got that's mine?

Hat Thief: Mister, I don't know what you're talking about.

Paden: I hope your fingers aren't tickling my ivory handled Colt. You stand up real slow and let me see and you might live through this night.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 06, 2021 08:43 PM (pK7cg)

146
Another fun fact. Justine Bateman never wore underwear while shooting Family Ties.
Posted by: Duke Lowell

And Tallulah Bankhead. During the filming of Lifeboat, she had to climb a ladder to get on set, and the crew complained about her flashing her crotch at them. Alfred Hitchcock supposedly made a crack that he didn't know if it was a matter for the wardrobe department or hairdressing.

Posted by: Palestinian Film Director at February 06, 2021 08:43 PM (EGyGV)

147 Wanted Dead or Alive with Steve McQueen?
Posted by: dartist

Yes, It's on Grit. Good show and nice ass.

Posted by: Infidel at February 06, 2021 08:43 PM (twGU3)

148 And lee marvin's horse.

*snicker*

Posted by: Beatgirl

Didn't he say at the Academy Awards the horse deserved to share?

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at February 06, 2021 08:43 PM (r1z5A)

149 But when I grew up it was all space opera and fantasy and westerns bored me to tears. Now I look at it and go, "Hey, look, here's what an American movie looks like when it wants you to have fun and doesn't hate you."
Posted by: moviegique at February 06, 2021 08:37 PM

There could be something to that. But even now there are some movies I just cannot get into. Westerns are one genre. Just about anything having to do with the mob is another (exceptions being Casino and Pulp Fiction; the latter is most surprising as it is one of my top 5 movies of all time). The Godfather movies, for example, just put me to sleep.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at February 06, 2021 08:43 PM (49Dnm)

150 "We deal in lead, friend."

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at February 06, 2021 08:43 PM (WENj9)

151
Crap. Boom goes the dynamite.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 06, 2021 08:44 PM (EGyGV)

152 37 Merle would introduce her eastern Indian mom as her maid to people

nice

Merle's story is a complicated one, and I am not an expert, but I believe she had a "Chinatown" situation going on (IYKWIMAITYD) on the one side and a partial-non-white situation on the other. I think her mother and grandmother had both east Asian and Maori(!) ancestry, and there were a lot of lies around it.

That said, one of her nephews fictionalized the whole thing as "Queenie" so as they'd say in "Liberty Valance," Print The Legend!

Posted by: moviegique at February 06, 2021 08:44 PM (dhFCT)

153 Sawed off double barreled 12 gauge?
Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks

Well, Tom Cruise is sawed off.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 06, 2021 08:44 PM (VVEnO)

154 @103

Very true, but just looking at it through the example of say, Blade Runner, each successive cut have been pointless and completely unnecessary.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at February 06, 2021 08:44 PM (MPxFG)

155 There's nothing like a nice piece of hickory.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 06, 2021 08:44 PM (kTF2Z)

156 Dern was warned about taking a role that would involve him killing The Duke. "You take this role, Middle America is gonna hate your guts."

"Yeah, but they'll LOOOOVE me in Berkeley!"

Dern's a prick.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur

He redeemed himself in Support Your Local Sheriff

Posted by: JT at February 06, 2021 08:45 PM (arJlL)

157 138 "Wanted, Dead or Alive" "The Rebel."?
Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at February 06, 2021 08:40 PM (r1z5A)

Yes on Wanted Dead or Alive. Don't know about the Rebel.

I was referring to El Dorado. James Cann/ Mississippi

Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at February 06, 2021 08:45 PM (2DOZq)

158 Broken Trail and Open Range

Posted by: Ben Had at February 06, 2021 08:45 PM (O2+xe)

159 This is one of my mother's favorite movies (she's a big Ronald Coleman fan). Greer's sweetness and restrained agony are what make it such a great tearjerker.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at February 06, 2021 08:35 PM (Dc2NZ)

The camera probably loved Greer more than anyone in film history

I met her in the mid seventies. Her decorator came to my shop and ask is I could duplicate a console he had for her Dallas penthouse. After I finished it , we delivered it and she was there, red hair and all.

Posted by: REDACTED at February 06, 2021 08:46 PM (zZxh0)

160 I have tried every way to see Come and See but it would need Netflix or so.
Posted by: Skip

It's worth going out of your way to see it. Absolutely terrifying.

Posted by: Tonypete at February 06, 2021 08:46 PM (Rvt88)

161 Cat Ballou would have been infinitely better if they hadn't stopped the movie every ten minutes to have NK Cole and that fat guy singing stupid songs.
Posted by: BurtTC at February 06, 2021 08:23 PM (oQ94s)
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Stubby Kaye was the fat guy banjo singer. I saw it when I was about 9, with the family at a drive-in. Our family did quite a few drive-ins, the kids already in jammies, and mom brought a big paper bag of pre-popped corn. A first-run movie for a fraction in cost.

Speaking of fat guys, I DVR'ed the pilot and second episode of Cannon, starring William Conrad, from one of those channels way, way down the list, a few days ago.

Cannon, a successful Lt. Detective from LA who retired to take unusual cases, was helping out a middle-aged Vera Miles, who was having problems with murders in town, as she was running her little motel.
They had 3 or 4 different jokes about Cannon being a fat guy. In one, a little kid walks up to him, stares at his belly, and says, "gee mister, how did you get so fat?"
Conrad answered, "It wasn't easy, kid."
And then I checked, that show debuted in 1971, fifty frigging years ago.
Vera still looked pretty good.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at February 06, 2021 08:47 PM (sy5kK)

162 Didn't he say at the Academy Awards the horse deserved to share?
Posted by: Some rat in the swamp

The horse had to be trained to cross its feet; for that scene.

That's not something horses naturally do.

Posted by: JT at February 06, 2021 08:47 PM (arJlL)

163 Recently I was exploring our OTA connection to see what was available, i.e., what I might be missing. Short answer, an immense of mindless, unentertaining crap.

But in the course of my tele-peregrinations I came across an old Randolph Scott movie. I started watching it out of nostalgia, because such movies used to play routinely on the base movie theater Saturday matinees, which all the military brats used to attend.

Somewhat to my surprise, I found the movie ... engaging. Now maybe that was the nostalgia bit kicking in, but I don't think that was entirely it. It had a plot, it had conflict/tension, it had character development, it had an uplifting message.

I'm no movie critic (obviously), but ... I enjoyed it. It took me back to a happier time.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 06, 2021 08:47 PM (YqDXo)

164 Was watching you-tube of a cattle rancher driving his cattle to Belle Fourche, SD. One of the commenters pointed out that was the destination for John Waynes cows in The Cowboys. So i watched that movie, a little sad with the good guys dying in it but interesting that the cows are still driven to Belle Fourche to be sold even today. Of course now buy truck.

Posted by: Fred at February 06, 2021 08:48 PM (VEOOY)

165 A more recent western is "Hostiles". Retiring cavalry captain has to escort is Indian nemesis to his home valley in Montana. Wes Studi plays the nemesis chief. Wes is better known as Magua in Last of the Mohicans.

Posted by: Beartooth at February 06, 2021 08:48 PM (necEF)

166 Hey everybody. Hey movie thread! Hey Moviegique! :-)

Some movies I can think of, right off the bat, about people moving through trying to solve quite bad/awkward situations:

- Paths Of Glory
- The Lives Of Others
- Dr Strangelove (apologies, I know I bring this up every movie thread)

Posted by: qdpsteve at February 06, 2021 08:48 PM (L2ZTs)

167 116 89 Watched today Battle of Rzhev a 2019 Russian movie taking place in WWII
.https://youtu.be/59wMlVu3fIA
It's all in Russian but possible subtitles on Roku
But if you like realistic war movies watch a few minutes of the begi nnijng.
Posted by: Skip at February 06, 2021 08:30 PM (Cxk7w)

The aforementioned Russian history prof #(9 would recommend to us Come and See (1985) whenever the subject of WWII came up. I still need to see that. He stated that if you thought the opening 20 minutes of Saving Private Ryan were too much, to stay away from Come and See.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at February 06, 2021 08:35 PM (49Dnm)

Many times on these here pages I have recommended "The Ascent." It's only in Russian, with subtitles. Filmed in Belarus (when it was an SSR) in the winter, you can feel the cold in your bones as the partisans try to survive. It's objectively the greatest movie I've ever seen in terms of realism. In the 70s, there were still people around who remembered what life was like 30 years before (think about it -- it would be like us doing a movie about the 90's today).

Posted by: Bonhoffer at February 06, 2021 08:48 PM (BMmaB)

168 The framing of shots properly is a lost art, I think. I watched many a movie from the 60's, 70's and 80's - except for Spielberg, too many shots cut off heads, left or right side of important characters, or had far too many undesirable closeups that added nothing.

The old guys new how to frame a shot (30's and early 40's), ie everyone important to the scene were properly and proportionally represented in the shot - that's why movie stills were easy back then - you didn't need to crop or adjust much.

Posted by: Boswell at February 06, 2021 08:48 PM (w2LAm)

169 There could be something to that. But even now there are some movies I just cannot get into. Westerns are one genre.
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I can dig it as I was that way for most of my nearly 29 years.

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Just about anything having to do with the mob is another (exceptions being Casino and Pulp Fiction; the latter is most surprising as it is one of my top 5 movies of all time). The Godfather movies, for example, just put me to sleep.
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I showed The Boy "The Untouchables" and we went on a spate of watching mob movies because he thought he liked them. He didn't (and I never have). He just liked "The Untouchables".

Posted by: moviegique at February 06, 2021 08:48 PM (dhFCT)

170 Broken Trail and Open Range
Posted by: Ben Had at February 06, 2021 08:45 PM (O2+xe)

Ain't seen Broken Trail. but re-watched Open Range a fortnight or so ago. Very good movie.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Confuzzled at February 06, 2021 08:49 PM (x8Wzq)

171 I never liked Joan Crawford. She was always in those boring old movies with people having dramatic scenes in big fancy living rooms. I don't think I'd like her in a Western.

Posted by: Trimegistus at February 06, 2021 08:49 PM (QZxDR)

172 I was referring to El Dorado. James Cann/ Mississippi

Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks

Ok. It seemed a few of the late 50s early 60 westerns there was a "gimmick" weapon the hero used. (The Wild, Wild West was on a whole nother level!)

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at February 06, 2021 08:49 PM (r1z5A)

173 A more recent western is "Hostiles". Retiring cavalry captain has to escort is Indian nemesis to his home valley in Montana. Wes Studi plays the nemesis chief. Wes is better known as Magua in Last of the Mohicans.
Posted by: Beartooth at February 06, 2021 08:48 PM (necEF)
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And The Sphinx in "Mystery Men".

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at February 06, 2021 08:49 PM (WENj9)

174 Many great films already mentioned -- gotta add "Once Upon A Time in the West."
Posted by: ShainS

The movie is good....and so is the song by Dire Straights (of the same name).

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....Outlaw in America at February 06, 2021 08:50 PM (tjZg/)

175 Bruce Dern, for all his lefty cred, played a really pissed-off parent in the 1980s TV movie, "Tough Love."

Jason Patric played the demonic spawn.

Posted by: qdpsteve at February 06, 2021 08:50 PM (L2ZTs)

176 Stubby Kaye was the fat guy banjo singer. I saw it when I was about 9, with the family at a drive-in. Our family did quite a few drive-ins, the kids already in jammies, and mom brought a big paper bag of pre-popped corn. A first-run movie for a fraction in cost.

us too. In SoCal. Mom and Dad also brought a six pack and the cribbage board. We were in a '55 Chevy.

*waves*

Posted by: Infidel at February 06, 2021 08:50 PM (twGU3)

177 158 Broken Trail and Open Range
Posted by: Ben Had at February 06, 2021 08:45 PM (O2+xe)

Annette Benning was as beautiful a woman as a man could want in that movie.

The camera loved her!

Posted by: browndog at February 06, 2021 08:50 PM (BgMrQ)

178 I took my 4 yr old cousin to see Cat Ballou. I was 8. This was in L.A. It was a different world back then.

Posted by: Beatgirl at February 06, 2021 08:50 PM (a1s18)

179 Wes is better known as Magua in Last of the Mohicans.
Posted by: Beartooth at February 06, 2021 08:48 PM (necEF)

Or The Sphinx in Mystery Men.

Posted by: Insomniac - Zhou Bai-Den Is Not My Chairman at February 06, 2021 08:51 PM (nakwk)

180 Pug, if you get a chance to see Broken Trail, it will be worth the time spent.

Posted by: Ben Had at February 06, 2021 08:51 PM (O2+xe)

181 Trimestigus, true about Joan Crawford. It seems she was really only very empathetic compared to her arch-enemy Bette Davis.

Both Bette and Joan weren't above some really bad behavior throughout their careers, as far as I can tell.

Posted by: qdpsteve at February 06, 2021 08:51 PM (L2ZTs)

182 Annette Benning = Open Range

Posted by: browndog at February 06, 2021 08:51 PM (BgMrQ)

183 I can't see Tom Cruise or Keanu Reeves in a western. Cruise did do period movies Far and Away and The Last Samurai but I'm talking a true Western.

Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at February 06, 2021 08:51 PM (2DOZq)

184 Tallulah Bankhead

Johnny Carson once introduced her as Ballulah Tankhead

Posted by: JT at February 06, 2021 08:52 PM (arJlL)

185 By the way, how come Leni Reifenstahl is radioactive but Eisenstein is okay? I'm willing to toss both directors under the bus as disgusting toadies to bloodstained totalitarians, but it bugs me that one 20th-century genocidal regime gets a free pass.

Posted by: Trimegistus at February 06, 2021 08:52 PM (QZxDR)

186 Pug, if you get a chance to see Broken Trail, it will be worth the time spent.
Posted by: Ben Had at February 06, 2021 08:51 PM (O2+xe)

Will do. My kid brothers told me the same thing.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Confuzzled at February 06, 2021 08:52 PM (x8Wzq)

187 Also, does anyone remember the 1980s TV miniseries, World War III?

I know it has a very un-TV (i.e., not uplifting) ending.

Posted by: qdpsteve at February 06, 2021 08:52 PM (L2ZTs)

188 how about scifi movies that ate actuslly westerns?

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at February 06, 2021 08:52 PM (nUhF0)

189 "Borderline" (1950) Claire Trevor vehicle pairs her with Fred MacMurray in a lame comedy/romance with a lamer noir plot-motor. Hulking heavy Raymond Burr is smuggling a pathetic couple of ounces of dirtweed per day across the US border, so flatfoot Claire goes undercover to Mexico to nab him, but she's nowhere near sufficiently funny or pretty or intriguing enough to keep watching. All the men wear hats, so there's that. For better Trevor: "Key Largo." For better Fred: "Double Indemnity."

"They Made Me A Criminal" (1939) Palooka John Garfield stumbles across the creepy Dead End Kids, who are now older than he is. Punching ensues. There's a blonde in there somewhere. In the end, justice is subverted.

"Pitfall" (194

Makeup-caked Lizabeth Scott does what she does best: bowling up male pin action. This time she lures married insurance man Powell into catching his Dick in her wringer, which puts a big Burr up gumshoe gorilla Raymond's ass. Then her main squeeze springs jail. Dames are trouble, and the saps never wise up. Movie has a few fine old LA location shots.

Posted by: gp's Movie Laffs at February 06, 2021 08:52 PM (qpX6U)

190 Johnny Carson once introduced her as Ballulah Tankhead
Posted by: JT at February 06, 2021 08:52 PM (arJlL)
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Oh, I bet that went over really well.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at February 06, 2021 08:53 PM (WENj9)

191 vmom, you mean like Sean Connery in Outland?

Posted by: qdpsteve at February 06, 2021 08:53 PM (L2ZTs)

192 Wes Studi was very funny in Mystery Men. Surprisingly so.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Confuzzled at February 06, 2021 08:53 PM (x8Wzq)

193 Intrigued by Come and See. Just figured out that it's on the Criterion Channel which looks worth getting for a while. Generous 14 day free trail period

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 06, 2021 08:53 PM (ZHVt1)

194 I took my 4 yr old cousin to see Cat Ballou. I was 8. This was in L.A. It was a different world back then.
Posted by: Beatgirl

You're not 29 !

Posted by: JT at February 06, 2021 08:54 PM (arJlL)

195 how about scifi movies that ate actually westerns?

All scifi movies are westerns. All westerns are morality plays.

Posted by: Beatgirl at February 06, 2021 08:54 PM (a1s18)

196 188 how about scifi movies that ate actuslly westerns?
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at February 06, 2021 08:52 PM (nUhF0)

Like Outland ?

Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at February 06, 2021 08:54 PM (2DOZq)

197 Why are westerners such a part of Americana as opposed to the founding, revolutionary era or even the original settlement?

Posted by: Toy Cannon at February 06, 2021 08:54 PM (5KACt)

198 Cannon, a successful Lt. Detective from LA who retired to take unusual cases, was helping out a middle-aged Vera Miles, who was having problems with murders in town, as she was running her little motel.

A role she reprised in "Farewell, My Lovely," with Robert Mitchum (who was an absolute dead ringer for my paternal uncle).

Amazing that an actress who broke in as a hottie would agree to play an ageing alcoholic loser. But she did, and she was totally convincing.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 06, 2021 08:54 PM (YqDXo)

199 "Wes Studi was very funny in Mystery Men. Surprisingly so."

One of the detectives in Mann's "Heat."

Posted by: gp's Movie Laffs at February 06, 2021 08:54 PM (qpX6U)

200 MrMeeseeks, I beatcha to it! :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at February 06, 2021 08:55 PM (L2ZTs)

201 ||how about scifi movies that ate actuslly westerns?

Alan Ladd (Jr? III? the son of the cowboy) made "Outland" with Sean Connery and everyone said, "Hey, it's High Noon in space."

And then he made "Blade Runner" and everyone said, "It's a film noir/hard-boiled-detective in space."

Posted by: moviegique at February 06, 2021 08:55 PM (dhFCT)

202 Any western with Wayne is a winner because John was also a magnet for talent. His side kicks were a hoot - Chill Wills, Harry Cary, and Strother Martin. Directors like John Ford and Howard Hawkes.

Posted by: MI'sMIMI at February 06, 2021 08:55 PM (g0gdr)

203 We watched McLintock! last night. Surprised there wasn't a warning before the movie about spanking a woman was allowed in the past but is no longer acceptable

Gosh....Maureen O'hara was so beautiful and her wardrobe in the movie was stunning

Posted by: westminsterdogshow at February 06, 2021 08:55 PM (/UQ/R)

204 Many great films already mentioned -- gotta add "Once Upon A Time in the West."
Posted by: ShainS

"Looks like we're shy one horse"

Posted by: JT at February 06, 2021 08:55 PM (arJlL)

205 197 Why are westerners such a part of Americana as opposed to the founding, revolutionary era or even the original settlement?
Posted by: Toy Cannon at February 06, 2021 08:54 PM (5KACt)

Easy, IMO. Because the story of America is people moving west for freedom, and a new life.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 06, 2021 08:55 PM (YqDXo)

206 The Shootist seems like it could be more of a documentary these days.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at February 06, 2021 08:55 PM (sy5kK)

207 Wes Studi is a former Marine.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 06, 2021 08:56 PM (kTF2Z)

208
Also, does anyone remember the 1980s TV miniseries, World War III?

I know it has a very un-TV (i.e., not uplifting) ending.
Posted by: qdpsteve

Yep. I remember that one for the American troops shooting through the pile of pipes, which gave them good cover from the Russkies. Surprisingly creative tactics, for Hollyweird. And Rock Hudson as the President at the end, ordering the missile launch.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 06, 2021 08:56 PM (EGyGV)

209 204 Many great films already mentioned -- gotta add "Once Upon A Time in the West."
Posted by: ShainS

"Looks like we're shy one horse"
Posted by: JT at February 06, 2021 08:55 PM (arJlL)

Yep.

"No, you've got two too many."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 06, 2021 08:56 PM (YqDXo)

210 An example of a beautifully framed motion picture done the old fashion way is Wizard of OZ - it's not terribly different from other films of its era, but it is a well known classic where you can readily see the framing of shots represents a skill level that seems lost.

I watched the other night "The Green Mile" with my wife. Shot in the 80's, it was supposedly representative of a better product from that era. It was miserably shot from a framing perspective, with many key actors cut off in important shots, while they spoke - in short, the photography direction was abysmal - but its no better in a lot of later important films - what a shame.

Posted by: Boswell at February 06, 2021 08:56 PM (w2LAm)

211 192 Wes Studi was very funny in Mystery Men. Surprisingly so.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Confuzzled at February 06, 2021 08:53 PM (x8Wzq)

"If you do not master your rage..."
"Then rage will become my master, right?"
"I wasn't necessarily going to say that..."

Posted by: Insomniac - Zhou Bai-Den Is Not My Chairman at February 06, 2021 08:56 PM (nakwk)

212 You're not 29 !

Hush, you.

Posted by: Beatgirl at February 06, 2021 08:56 PM (a1s18)

213 Re: director's cuts, it can really go either way. Ridley Scott is famously unable to stop touching his own works, of course, and George Lucas' Star Wars changes are hated by everyone except George Lucas. The Lord Of The Rings extended versions are a mixed bag; much of what they add has narrative significance but it further stretches out the running time of already painfully long films.

Video games like the Witcher series will sometimes do a re-release to include a bunch of raunchy stuff that got censored for consoles.

Posted by: CppThis at February 06, 2021 08:56 PM (zcf1k)

214 It drives me crazy that John Wayne, who I normally admire, was so wound up about High Noon.

I watch that movie and see a great flick about morality and standing up to the mob. I don't see anything about supporting communism.

I guess that was one of the great things about yesterday's writers. Even when they were communists, they were so good at hiding their original intent, you didn't have to be a lefty to enjoy the picture.

Posted by: qdpsteve at February 06, 2021 08:56 PM (L2ZTs)

215 I watched World War III and even at the time I didn't buy it. The Commies' plan didn't make a damned bit of sense: seize the Alaska Pipeline to compel America to sell them food to prevent unrest after a bad harvest. Trouble is, the wimpy President (Rock Hudson) could have simply said, "Fine, eat oil if you like," and reveal the whole situation to the world. US gets Mideast oil, everybody embargoes Russia, and some Spetsnaz commandos eventually die of hypothermia.

Posted by: Trimegistus at February 06, 2021 08:57 PM (QZxDR)

216 187 Also, does anyone remember the 1980s TV miniseries, World War III?

I know it has a very un-TV (i.e., not uplifting) ending.
Posted by: qdpsteve at February 06, 2021 08:52 PM (L2ZTs)

Quite well. When I saw it the first time (1982, when it came out), I didn't get it. How times change. The next (and last time) I saw it was two years later as a brat in Germany. I fully understood it and the implications.

Years later, I knew a guy who ranted "Am I the only one offended by Rock Hudson being the President?"

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at February 06, 2021 08:57 PM (49Dnm)

217 ||Why are westerners such a part of Americana as opposed to the founding, revolutionary era or even the original settlement?||

Popular fiction was booming in the 19th century and the various hucksters could claim historicity--sorta like the old horror saw, "found footage", "based on a true story"--which is a great marketing tool.

Some of those guys were around still in the early 20th century when movies were taking off.

So I think that's a BIG part of it.

Posted by: moviegique at February 06, 2021 08:57 PM (dhFCT)

218 I like Big Jake, Boone as the bad guy goes well with Wayne.

Posted by: Ben Had at February 06, 2021 08:57 PM (O2+xe)

219 Also, does anyone remember the 1980s TV miniseries, World War III?

I know it has a very un-TV (i.e., not uplifting) ending.
Posted by: qdpsteve

Yep. I remember that one for the American troops shooting through the pile of pipes, which gave them good cover from the Russkies. Surprisingly creative tactics, for Hollyweird. And Rock Hudson as the President at the end, ordering the missile launch.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 06, 2021 08:56 PM (EGyGV)

I do, and I loved that miniseries, and would dearly love to watch it again. Novel premise, etc.

Memo to Holllywood: Not the 17th remake (or "reimaging") of something else.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 06, 2021 08:58 PM (YqDXo)

220 ITC, I could be wrong but I think a lot of Word War III was shot in Alaska. I'd bet that familiarity with that territory gave the miniseries some fresh new frontiers to explore.

Posted by: qdpsteve at February 06, 2021 08:58 PM (L2ZTs)

221 Eromero mentioned the Calvary Trilogy.

For those not quite in the know...
Rio Grande: John Wayne, Maureen O'Hara, Ben Johnson as "Trooper Tyree"
That must have been a running gag with John Ford, because Ben Johnson was "Tyree" in two of the three movies

"Fort Apache": John Wayne, Henry Fonda, Shirley Temple, Ward Bond (another regular in John Ford movies)

"She Wore a Yellow Ribbon":
John Wayne, Harry Caray Jr., Joanna Dru (a doll!), Ben Johnson as Sergeant Tyree (he got a promotion),
John Agar.
This was, I think, my favorite of the Calvary Trilogy. Almost sentimental as John Wayne is about to be retired from the Army. Last mission.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....Outlaw in America at February 06, 2021 08:58 PM (tjZg/)

222 @197

The clothing alone would bankrupt most film budgets, also Tri-Corner hats are just not as cool as cowboy hats.

Also the weapon tech was just not were it had to be to be cool.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at February 06, 2021 08:58 PM (MPxFG)

223 "Looks like we're shy one horse"

Posted by: JT at February

Why oh why did they feel the need to dub Elams voice! He played the best bad guys.

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at February 06, 2021 08:58 PM (r1z5A)

224 WWIII got a great parody on Second City Television a few years later, as they did a whole episode where programming on SCTV is periodically interrupted by 3CP1 Russian Television, featuring shows like "What Fits Into Russia?" and other gems. The SCTV crew destroy the Russian satellite, leading to . . .

Posted by: Trimegistus at February 06, 2021 08:58 PM (QZxDR)

225 The secondary actors in John Wayne movies made them that much better. Not sure if it was because of Howard Hawks or John Ford but I liked those actors better than some of the stars. I wonder how many of their movies were shot in Monument Valley. Never looked like the same set.

Posted by: dartist at February 06, 2021 08:58 PM (+ya+t)

226 Wes Studi is also Jack Albertson's son-in-law.

Weird world.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Confuzzled at February 06, 2021 08:59 PM (x8Wzq)

227 One reason I brought up Alexander Nevsky. For an even better example, Ivan the Terrible Part I (I haven't seen Part II). Stalin saw Ivan IV as a hero and this was why he commissioned Eisenstein to make the movie.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at February 06, 2021 08:27 PM (49Dnm)

Ivan was a strong king which usually means - expanding the borders and stomping on the nobles.

The nobles think of this as a bad thing, but since the nobles tend to stomp on the peasants the peasants tend to favor the strong king, and a strong kingdom means fewer raiders and bandits burning their homes.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 06, 2021 08:59 PM (eoQWY)

228 Totally not on this but I really enjoy the Israeli films Ushpizin and The Band.

Posted by: Ben Had at February 06, 2021 08:59 PM (O2+xe)

229 Years later, I knew a guy who ranted "Am I the only one offended by Rock Hudson being the President?"
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at February 06, 2021 08:57 PM (49Dnm)

Why? Because he wasn't black? Or he was homosexual? Or wasn't black AND homosexual? Because THAT would never happen, amirite?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 06, 2021 08:59 PM (YqDXo)

230 I watched the Kraut miniseries Generation War about five Kraut friends expecting Barbarosa to be a short, happy war. Spoiler alert: it wasn't. It's good but grim.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 06, 2021 08:59 PM (VVEnO)

231 Deplorable Jay, World War III is available on DVD.

tinyurl.com/syknkjmf

Posted by: qdpsteve at February 06, 2021 08:59 PM (L2ZTs)

232 Firefly was a western in space.

Posted by: Megthered at February 06, 2021 09:00 PM (SM/op)

233 215 I watched World War III and even at the time I didn't buy it. The Commies' plan didn't make a damned bit of sense: seize the Alaska Pipeline to compel America to sell them food to prevent unrest after a bad harvest. Trouble is, the wimpy President (Rock Hudson) could have simply said, "Fine, eat oil if you like," and reveal the whole situation to the world. US gets Mideast oil, everybody embargoes Russia, and some Spetsnaz commandos eventually die of hypothermia.
Posted by: Trimegistus at February 06, 2021 08:57 PM (QZxDR)

Back in the 1990s when going over this with friends, I thought the premise was whack as well. Upon hitting the ground in AK the Soviets should have gotten a message recalling them for civil defense duty. But you are very right, the President was in fact a wuss.

Today, I'd shoot holes through it for logistical reasons. Such an invasion even now would be a bitch to pull off.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at February 06, 2021 09:00 PM (49Dnm)

234 There was a whole genre of movies in the Eighties about how Nuclear War Was Bad and only by complete disarmament and making friends with the blood-encrusted Commies could be avoid certain total destruction. They stopped after the KGB quit writing checks in the 1990s.

Posted by: Trimegistus at February 06, 2021 09:00 PM (QZxDR)

235 This is a TV comment.

I understand that there is always going to be a desperate drug addict who absolutely *must* have $X by sundown, or his dealer will break his spine and sell his paralyzed ass to vagrants until the debt's paid. And guys like that will always be easily swindled by unscrupulous pawnbrokers.

But they don't put guys like that on TV, and that's how I know "Pawn Stars" is staged. No normal person with clean clothes and possessions and stuff would willingly accept 20% of retail for a valuable item when the internet exists. Nobody's that stupid. The show has to be faked.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at February 06, 2021 09:00 PM (Bvn1K)

236 188 how about scifi movies that ate actuslly westerns?
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at February 06, 2021 08:52 PM (nUhF0)
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Like "Outland".

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at February 06, 2021 09:00 PM (Dc2NZ)

237 172 I was referring to El Dorado. James Cann/ Mississippi

Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks

Ok. It seemed a few of the late 50s early 60 westerns there was a "gimmick" weapon the hero used. (The Wild, Wild West was on a whole nother level!)
Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at February 06, 2021 08:49 PM (r1z5A)

Now that you mention it yes they did. Rifleman, Have Gun , Will Travel, Raw Hide , High Chapparall , etc

Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at February 06, 2021 09:00 PM (2DOZq)

238 {{{wds}}}

INSP and GRiT is the only reason I keep cable. It's getting harder to keep it. Tomorrow is all westerns.

Posted by: Infidel at February 06, 2021 09:01 PM (twGU3)

239 You're not 29 !

Hush, you.
Posted by: Beatgirl

Oh !

Sorry

Posted by: JT at February 06, 2021 09:01 PM (arJlL)

240 Why are westerners such a part of Americana as opposed to the founding, revolutionary era or even the original settlement?
Posted by: Toy Cannon

Louis L'Amour explained it once; it is woven into the story of the country. Turning a wilderness into a Garden of Eden. Where a single man can make a difference (even though that was kind of a myth, too). Where every many had a chance to make something of himself.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....Outlaw in America at February 06, 2021 09:01 PM (tjZg/)

241
ITC, I could be wrong but I think a lot of Word War III was shot in Alaska. I'd bet that familiarity with that territory gave the miniseries some fresh new frontiers to explore.
Posted by: qdpsteve

Yeah, having the Army drag me to Alaska for 4 years in the 80s gave me a taste for Cold War era arctic films. Ice Station Zebra is a favorite.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 06, 2021 09:02 PM (EGyGV)

242 ||228 Totally not on this but I really enjoy the Israeli films Ushpizin and The Band.||

Ushpisin is one of my favorite movies of all time.

By "The Band", I'm guessing you mean "The Band's Visit"? I didn't get it at the time, but I think they remade it as an actual musical.

https://moviegique.com/2008/03/the-bands-visit/

Posted by: moviegique at February 06, 2021 09:02 PM (dhFCT)

243 Difficult POVs...how about "The Devil in the Dark," from Star Trek. A hideous monster murders humans horribly, and, it turns out, was justified in doing so.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at February 06, 2021 09:02 PM (l9m7l)

244 Is Cowboys and Aliens a SciFi that is a Western, or a Western that is SciFi?

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 06, 2021 09:02 PM (yQpMk)

245 "Looks like we're shy one horse"

I liked High Plains Drifter, something like-

"We road in here on 3 good horses"

"What do you think you've been eating"

Posted by: Beatgirl at February 06, 2021 09:02 PM (a1s18)

246 An actor some of you may have heard of, Ronald Wilson Reagan, was born this day in 1911.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 06, 2021 09:03 PM (DMUuz)

247 @214 qdpsteve-Maybe he shoulda been more wound up about the script from Liberty Valance not being changed to Liberty popping a cap in Ransom Stoddard and Donophin ending up gettin' the chick.

Posted by: JROD at February 06, 2021 09:03 PM (0jZnq)

248 I watched World War III and even at the time I didn't buy it. The Commies' plan didn't make a damned bit of sense: seize the Alaska Pipeline to compel America to sell them food to prevent unrest after a bad harvest. Trouble is, the wimpy President (Rock Hudson) could have simply said, "Fine, eat oil if you like," and reveal the whole situation to the world. US gets Mideast oil, everybody embargoes Russia, and some Spetsnaz commandos eventually die of hypothermia.
Posted by: Trimegistus at February 06, 2021 08:57 PM (QZxDR)

Of course. It requires substantial suspension of disbelief, kinda like the most recent election. But an interesting (albeit implausible) premise, and totally unpredictable in narrative arc.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 06, 2021 09:03 PM (YqDXo)

249 Why are westerners such a part of Americana as opposed to the founding, revolutionary era or even the original settlement?
Posted by: Toy Cannon at February 06, 2021 08:54 PM (5KACt)

It is a LOT harder to make a convincing backdrop of Midwest America, not to mention densely forested colonial Midwest America in Hollywood if you don't want to travel. The supposed wild west has the same terrain as CA, and many of them are set in CA itself.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 06, 2021 09:03 PM (eoQWY)

250 Alan Ladd (Jr? III? the son of the cowboy) made "Outland" with Sean Connery and everyone said, "Hey, it's High Noon in space."

Posted by: moviegique

I've never seen Outland ... thought you meant Outander (which was awesome )

Prospect is a good western in space

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at February 06, 2021 09:03 PM (nUhF0)

251 I like Big Jake, Boone as the bad guy goes well with Wayne.
Posted by: Ben Had

Richard Boone was a bad guy in "The Shootist", too.

Richard Boone also starred in "Have Gun, Will Travel" as Paladin, a soldier of fortune. This was on in the early '60's TV, and Gene Roddenberry was a frequent writer of episodes for this.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....Outlaw in America at February 06, 2021 09:03 PM (tjZg/)

252 Why oh why did they feel the need to dub Elams voice! He played the best bad guys.
Posted by: Some rat in the swamp

Jack Elam and Claude Akins ALWAYS played bad guys, but went on to play comedic roles later in their careers.

Posted by: JT at February 06, 2021 09:04 PM (arJlL)

253 JROD, LOL!

Posted by: qdpsteve at February 06, 2021 09:04 PM (L2ZTs)

254 The Day After was a hoot.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 06, 2021 09:05 PM (kTF2Z)

255 217 ||Why are westerners such a part of Americana as opposed to the founding, revolutionary era or even the original settlement?||

I can just think of only shows / movies two off the top of my head

Daniel Boone with Fess Parker

The Kentuckian with the Duke

Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at February 06, 2021 09:05 PM (2DOZq)

256 Difficult POVs...how about "The Devil in the Dark," from Star Trek. A hideous monster murders humans horribly, and, it turns out, was justified in doing so.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at February 06, 2021 09:02 PM (l9m7l)

Compare the next gen's vile "Skin of Evil" with that episode. I'd already given up on Next Gen for the most part, but I was told to watch that for extra rant points.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 06, 2021 09:06 PM (eoQWY)

257 Duke, The Day After was such a big deal, even the other networks were promoting it for ABC.

Posted by: qdpsteve at February 06, 2021 09:06 PM (L2ZTs)

258 Contemporary westerns: Tombstone

Johnson - What the hell you doin' this for anyway?

Doc - Wyatt Earp is my friend.

Johnson - Hell, I got lots of friends.

Doc - I don't.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 06, 2021 09:06 PM (WD9ZA)

259 Another beautifully framed western was Shane. I think it won the Oscar that year for Best Cinematography. Every shot is framed nicely, with key actors centered appropriately. And the photography director made the back drop of the Montana landscape a huge star in the picture - simply stunning stuff.

Posted by: Boswell at February 06, 2021 09:06 PM (w2LAm)

260 The best nuclear holocaust flick is, of course and as most of you already know, Threads.

Posted by: qdpsteve at February 06, 2021 09:06 PM (L2ZTs)

261 Where a single man can make a difference (even
though that was kind of a myth, too). Where every many had a chance to
make something of himself.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....Outlaw in America

Cowboys, the French Foreign Legion with cattle.

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at February 06, 2021 09:07 PM (r1z5A)

262 Bozo, I used to watch "Have Gun Will Travel" on my rocking horse with my cap pistol.

Posted by: Ben Had at February 06, 2021 09:07 PM (O2+xe)

263 244 Is Cowboys and Aliens a SciFi that is a Western, or a Western that is SciFi?
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 06, 2021 09:02 PM (yQpMk)

It's definitely a movie that sucked. It had so much potential.

Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at February 06, 2021 09:07 PM (2DOZq)

264 Ok. It seemed a few of the late 50s early 60 westerns there was a "gimmick" weapon the hero used. (The Wild, Wild West was on a whole nother level!)
Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at February 06, 2021 08:49 PM (r1z5A)

Now that you mention it yes they did. Rifleman, Have Gun , Will Travel, Raw Hide , High Chapparall , etc
Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at February 06, 2021 09:00 PM (2DOZq)

You need a gimmick to hang your show concept on to make it seem different and interesting.

Cowboy, but a RIFLE!

same thing happened with cop shows and any genre that is getting a bit tired out.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 06, 2021 09:08 PM (eoQWY)

265 Victor McLaglen is another favorite in John Wayne movies. Big ol drunken Irishman funny as hell.

Posted by: dartist at February 06, 2021 09:08 PM (+ya+t)

266 254 The Day After was a hoot.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 06, 2021 09:05 PM (kTF2Z)

One of the grievances I have against my parents will always be showing me that when I was way, way too young for it. And they walked me through everything, explaining everything in detail. (The fact that cities in Germany - where I was living at the time - were mentioned made it worse.)

Virtually every kid in my elementary school saw it. So much for the warning in the beginning.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at February 06, 2021 09:08 PM (49Dnm)

267 ||I've never seen Outland ... thought you meant Outander (which was awesome )||

The Jim Caviezel movie "Outlander"? Or the TV series?

There's only one "Outland". Unless you count Berke Breathed's short-lived follow up to "Bloom County"...

||Prospect is a good western in space||

Hey, the OG "Battlestar Galactica"...I mean, quality notwithstanding...they don't even try to hide it. They're wearing, like, chaps and carrying laser-six-shooters...

Posted by: moviegique at February 06, 2021 09:08 PM (dhFCT)

268 Only finding trailers for The Ascent 1977.

Posted by: Skip at February 06, 2021 09:08 PM (Cxk7w)

269
Why are westerners such a part of Americana as opposed to the founding, revolutionary era or even the original settlement?

Many other nations have had frontiers that they conquered, settled and built into civilization, but virtually all of them were by state action. The American West was a frontier that was largely conquered and settled by individuals, with only nominal support from the state.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 06, 2021 09:08 PM (EGyGV)

270 Bozo, I used to watch "Have Gun Will Travel" on my rocking horse with my cap pistol.
Posted by: Ben Had

Now, I've got a big grin on my face.

Nice !

Posted by: JT at February 06, 2021 09:08 PM (arJlL)

271 "Difficult POVs...how about "The Devil in the Dark," from Star Trek."

Speaking of Westerns in space, Roddenberry sold TOS to the suits as Wagon Train in space. The core characters meet new beings and have to solve something before moving on. This often led to outstanding scripts.

I never watched the other versions. They struck me as soap operas.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 06, 2021 09:08 PM (ZHVt1)

272 Is Cowboys and Aliens a SciFi that is a Western, or a Western that is SciFi?
Posted by: G'rump928(c)

Well, at least it isn't a Christmas movie.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 06, 2021 09:08 PM (VVEnO)

273 Bozo, I used to watch "Have Gun Will Travel" on my rocking horse with my cap pistol.
Posted by: Ben Had

I think it's available on some Roku channel. I never had a rocking horse, but I had a black cowboy outfit, and matching chrome plated cap pistols.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....Outlaw in America at February 06, 2021 09:09 PM (tjZg/)

274 {{{{Infidel}}}}

Posted by: westminsterdogshow at February 06, 2021 09:09 PM (/UQ/R)

275 I kinda like "Angel and the Badman"

and it had the immensely layable Gail Russell in the female lead

She had terrible stage fright and coupled with her meeting up with the perennial bad person, Helen Walker, who told her to have a little drinkee to calm her nerves, she died at 37 of liver failure.

Posted by: REDACTED at February 06, 2021 09:09 PM (zZxh0)

276 262 Bozo, I used to watch "Have Gun Will Travel" on my rocking horse with my cap pistol.
Posted by: Ben Had at February 06, 2021 09:07 PM (O2+xe)

That is an adorable image!

Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist at February 06, 2021 09:09 PM (TdMsT)

277 Hombre, Paul Newman.

Posted by: davidt at February 06, 2021 09:10 PM (l3+k2)

278 The Outlaw Josey Wales takes place in MO and TX, so I don't know if it really counts as a Western.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at February 06, 2021 09:10 PM (Bvn1K)

279 John Wayne spanked Maureen O'Hara. Patrick Wayne spanked Stephanie Powers. The woke crowd would go bonkers with all the Wayne toxic spankulinity.

Posted by: MI'sMIMI at February 06, 2021 09:10 PM (g0gdr)

280 WWIII got a great parody on Second City Television a few years later, as they did a whole episode where programming on SCTV is periodically interrupted by 3CP1 Russian Television, featuring shows like "What Fits Into Russia?" and other gems. The SCTV crew destroy the Russian satellite, leading to . . .
Posted by: Trimegistus at February 06, 2021 08:58 PM (QZxDR)

ThreeCP-One also had its public service announcements about the dangers of the Uzbeks, who get drunk and set fires to things and wear furs.

"the weak link in the great chain of socialism"

Posted by: Oldcat at February 06, 2021 09:11 PM (eoQWY)

281 And the photography director made the back drop of the Montana landscape a huge star in the picture - simply stunning stuff.
Posted by: Boswell at February 06, 2021 09:06 PM (w2LAm)

The remake of Magnum, PI uses the beauty of Hawaii a lot, being filmed from a helicopter. With so many people having 65+ inch screens with 1080 or 4k, it is as much an advertisement for Hawaii as it is the show itself. The detail is amazing.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at February 06, 2021 09:11 PM (sy5kK)

282 Thoughts on "How the West Was Won?"

It occupies a place in my heart because my late father took me to see it when I was a nipper, and even now, I'm struck by the sweep of the plot.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 06, 2021 09:11 PM (YqDXo)

283 Ok, the reason westerners are such a part of Americana is they portray violence as a justifiable way to right wrongs.

That was the essence of the founding and was the way of America through the WWII.

Posted by: Toy Cannon at February 06, 2021 09:11 PM (5KACt)

284 Now that you mention it yes they did. Rifleman, Have Gun , Will Travel, Raw Hide , High Chapparall , etc
Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at February 06, 2021 09:00 PM (2DOZq)

I always liked the broken saber in Branded.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at February 06, 2021 09:11 PM (BMmaB)

285 Here's my ob "The Day After" story.

David Raksin (Oscar-winning composer for "Laura") did the score on "The Day After". And when he had finished, ABC came to him and told him they weren't going to use his score because they didn't want to be "political".

He had a great look of disbelief for this.

Anyway, he would show the movie with HIS score in his class and I can attest that it is about a zillion times more effective than the moog-y slop they released it with.

Posted by: moviegique at February 06, 2021 09:11 PM (dhFCT)

286 260 The best nuclear holocaust flick is, of course and as most of you already know, Threads.
Posted by: qdpsteve at February 06, 2021 09:06 PM (L2ZTs)

Never have seen it, and thanks to my parents (#266), probably never will.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at February 06, 2021 09:12 PM (49Dnm)

287 Legends of the Fall showed a beautiful Montana.

Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at February 06, 2021 09:12 PM (2DOZq)

288 Nevada Smith, Steve McQueen.

Posted by: davidt at February 06, 2021 09:12 PM (l3+k2)

289 I like Big Jake, Boone as the bad guy goes well with Wayne.
Posted by: Ben Had

Richard Boone was a bad guy in "The Shootist", too.

Richard Boone also starred in "Have Gun, Will Travel" as Paladin, a soldier of fortune. This was on in the early '60's TV, and Gene Roddenberry was a frequent writer of episodes for this.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....Outlaw in America

I once read a review of some movie that said Boone had the kind of face armies retreated across.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 06, 2021 09:12 PM (VVEnO)

290 I would count Outlaw Jose Wales as a western.
My love of westerns from my kid years is why J still wantg a cap and ball revolver

Posted by: Skip at February 06, 2021 09:12 PM (Cxk7w)

291
Bozo, I used to watch "Have Gun Will Travel" on my rocking horse with my cap pistol.

Posted by: Ben Had

Me too! (but I was 26)

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at February 06, 2021 09:12 PM (r1z5A)

292 I never watched the other versions. They struck me as soap operas.
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 06, 2021 09:08 PM (ZHVt1)

i always compared Next Gen to the "Love Boat". Bald Captain, a "cruise director" (Troi), a black bartender, and kids on board for no understandable reason.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 06, 2021 09:13 PM (eoQWY)

293 44 Here's a fun fact. John Wayne used the same hat in all his westerns.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 06, 2021 08:21 PM (kTF2Z)

except it isn't true. Wore a black hat in Red River

Posted by: REDACTED at February 06, 2021 09:13 PM (zZxh0)

294
The Outlaw Josey Wales takes place in MO and TX, so I don't know if it really counts as a Western.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice

At the time, anything west of the Mississippi River WAS considered "The West". I think the idea that The West starts in the middle of the Great Plains is a modern concept, largely dictated by pulp novels and children's comic books, and later taken up by the film industry.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 06, 2021 09:14 PM (EGyGV)

295 Bozo, I used to watch "Have Gun Will Travel" on my rocking horse with my cap pistol.

I had the toy pistols with the horse head on the holster. I think it even came with Have Gun Will Travel business cards. Loved that show for some reason.

Posted by: dartist at February 06, 2021 09:14 PM (+ya+t)

296 I definitely gave up on Star Trek TNG when they did their version of the Israeli-Palestinian thing with "Ensign Ro." Cardasians-evil Jews. Bajorans-saintly Palestinians.

Bah, I said then. Still, after buying the DVDs, fast-forwarded through that episode.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at February 06, 2021 09:15 PM (l9m7l)

297 >>> 124 Oh, and of course "Tombstone" in which Val Kilmer deserved an Oscar.
Posted by: ShainS at February 06, 2021 08:36 PM (WqPYg)

He had some of the best lines from that movie, but my favorite scene is when Doc twirls his little booze cup after Ringo's display.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at February 06, 2021 09:15 PM (TK8Ry)

298 I had the toy pistols with the horse head on the holster. I think it even came with Have Gun Will Travel business cards. Loved that show for some reason.
Posted by: dartist at February 06, 2021 09:14 PM (+ya+t)

I think my twin brother had those, too.

Posted by: Ladyl, Insurrectionist at February 06, 2021 09:15 PM (TdMsT)

299
Anyway, he would show the movie with HIS score in his class and I can attest that it is about a zillion times more effective than the moog-y slop they released it with.

Posted by: moviegique at February 06, 2021 09:11 PM (dhFCT)

And that is scary, considering the worst thing for me was not SEEING The Day After. It's HEARING it in conjunction. I can't tell you how many times I have seen the bombing sequence. But it was either on mute or with my friends setting it to death metal. But seeing it with the original audio is something I haven't done since AFN showed it and that was 35 years ago.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at February 06, 2021 09:15 PM (49Dnm)

300 278 The Outlaw Josey Wales takes place in MO and TX, so I don't know if it really counts as a Western.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at February 06, 2021 09:10 PM (Bvn1K)

Of course it does. That WAS the West.

Growing in California, I thought of the East Coast as Nevada and points east. On living in Missouri, I realized that THAT was the West at the operative time. We visited the cave on the Merrimec River where Jesse James had reportedly hidden.

Recall that at one time, the "West" meant Ohio, Kentucky, Illinois, etc.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 06, 2021 09:15 PM (YqDXo)

301 Ok, the reason westerners are such a part of Americana is they portray violence as a justifiable way to right wrongs.

-
And they're about individual people solving their own problems without Big Brother stepping in to save them.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 06, 2021 09:16 PM (VVEnO)

302 Hombre, Paul Newman.

Posted by: davidt

Yes! "You go down there, ask her if she'll eat dog now..."

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at February 06, 2021 09:16 PM (r1z5A)

303 I can't stay up until the ONT because I see the end of it daily., have to read the rest of this tomorrow
Have a good night everyone

Posted by: Skip at February 06, 2021 09:16 PM (Cxk7w)

304
The best nuclear holocaust flick is, of course and as most of you already know, Threads.
Posted by: qdpsteve

Fail Safe where President Henry Fonda nukes New York City.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 06, 2021 09:16 PM (63Dwl)

305 I just purchased Deadwood dvd. Greatest tv western ever made. It's like the Shakespeare of cussin'.
Ian McShane, Powers Booth and Timothy O. Great cast.
Posted by: Beatgirl at February 06, 2021 08:38 PM (a1s1

Deadwood was movie art in its higher form.
'Al' was a man after my own heart....

Posted by: Voter theater. at February 06, 2021 09:16 PM (LPvgl)

306
Yes! "You go down there, ask her if she'll eat dog now..."
Posted by: Some rat in the swamp

Dog's a fine meal.

Posted by: Mel Gibson at February 06, 2021 09:17 PM (EGyGV)

307 Funny that we didn't have the debate about The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance and the John Wayne Jimmy Stewart characters.

Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at February 06, 2021 09:17 PM (2DOZq)

308 ||a little drinkee to calm her nerves, she died at 37 of liver failure.||

Russell is quite fetching in "Angel and the Badman" but (it looks to me like) you can see the beginnings of it. She's 23 and despite the flattering photography, the bags under the eyes are popping through.

Wayne's sidekick in the movie Lee Dixon ALSO died of alcoholism at 42.

And that's when I stopped looking these people up.

Posted by: moviegique at February 06, 2021 09:17 PM (dhFCT)

309 227 Ivan the Terrible Part I (I haven't seen Part II).

i've seen part ii. don't bother.

Posted by: Anachronda, behind the Newsom curtain at February 06, 2021 09:17 PM (5br8a)

310 I think my favorite is Jeremiah Johnson. No matter how many times I watch it, it still kicks ass.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at February 06, 2021 09:17 PM (Bvn1K)

311 At the time, anything west of the Mississippi River WAS considered "The West". I think the idea that The West starts in the middle of the Great Plains is a modern concept, largely dictated by pulp novels and children's comic books, and later taken up by the film industry.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 06, 2021 09:14 PM (EGyGV)

Go back further. At one time, anything west of the original 13 colonies was considered "the West."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 06, 2021 09:17 PM (YqDXo)

312 I had the toy pistols with the horse head on the holster. I think it even came with Have Gun Will Travel business cards. Loved that show for some reason.
Posted by: dartist

Cool theme song.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 06, 2021 09:17 PM (VVEnO)

313 houghts on "How the West Was Won?"

I had that on today while doing chores. It's a good flick.

Posted by: Infidel at February 06, 2021 09:17 PM (twGU3)

314 Put me down for

True Grit (1969)
Hang 'Em High
Wyatt Earp

Posted by: DB- just DB at February 06, 2021 09:18 PM (iTXRQ)

315 Nevada Smith, Steve McQueen.
Posted by: davidt

Nevada Smith came from The Carpetbaggers
the story in the book was excellent.

In the movie Alan Ladd played Nevada Smith , the bodyguard for the Howard Hughes type character of the title.

When asked about his name and background, Ladd related the tale.

Posted by: JT at February 06, 2021 09:18 PM (arJlL)

316 Bertram, who knew that would turn out to be a happy ending. :-P

Posted by: qdpsteve at February 06, 2021 09:18 PM (L2ZTs)

317 Yud, you have a higher tolerance for Robert Redford than I do. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at February 06, 2021 09:18 PM (L2ZTs)

318 i've seen part ii. don't bother.
Posted by: Anachronda, behind the Newsom curtain at February 06, 2021 09:17 PM (5br8a)

Stalin didn't care for it either, which is why Part III was only begun when it was canceled. I think they finished a hundred feet of film, if that.

Eisenstein died soon thereafter.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at February 06, 2021 09:19 PM (49Dnm)

319 Conagher with Sam Elliot. TV movie but still best western since Silverado. Fight me.

Posted by: lowandslow at February 06, 2021 09:19 PM (qH6FZ)

320 304 Fail Safe where President Henry Fonda nukes New York City.

it and dr. strangelove came out in the same year. don't know which was first.

Posted by: Anachronda, behind the Newsom curtain at February 06, 2021 09:19 PM (5br8a)

321 Threads and The Day After came out about the same time. Day After is slicker and has better names, but Threads is a much, much better movie.

Both scared the ever lovin' crap out of me.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2021 09:19 PM (KZzsI)

322 'Night Skip.

Posted by: JT at February 06, 2021 09:19 PM (arJlL)

323 310 I think my favorite is Jeremiah Johnson. No matter how many times I watch it, it still kicks ass.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at February 06, 2021 09:17 PM (Bvn1K)

I can't disagree with this. I watch it every time i come across it.

Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at February 06, 2021 09:20 PM (2DOZq)

324 Fail Safe where President Henry Fonda nukes New York City.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 06, 2021 09:16 PM (63Dwl)

I saw that 10 years ago and thought that (as well as the whole movie) was just...weird.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at February 06, 2021 09:20 PM (49Dnm)

325 Go back further. At one time, anything west of the original 13 colonies was considered "the West."
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 06, 2021 09:17 PM (YqDXo)

Yeah, it was all "the West" at some point, but if there's no mountains or desert, it seems like the East to me. Maybe because I'm from the Rockies, I guess.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at February 06, 2021 09:20 PM (Bvn1K)

326
Recall that at one time, the "West" meant Ohio, Kentucky, Illinois, etc.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 06, 2021 09:15 PM

see, also: Northwestern University; Case-Western, etc

Posted by: AltonJackson at February 06, 2021 09:20 PM (TLBVO)

327 Why is it called "Threads"?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at February 06, 2021 09:20 PM (Dc2NZ)

328 Having an open frontier, and always some new frontier, defined us as Americans. We're at a loss without it.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 06, 2021 09:20 PM (ZHVt1)

329 Jeff Bridge's True Grit is better than John Wayne's True Grit.

Fight me!

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 06, 2021 09:20 PM (yQpMk)

330 How The West Was Won is so episodic that its difficult to really enjoy but it has some nice stories in it and pretty much everybody was in that film.

I didn't like Searchers as well as a lot of other people but its a really well done story. I think The Cowboys and Silverado are my favorite westerns. But I like nearly every western, even the ones that are trying to "deconstruct" the western, like Lonesome Dove.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2021 09:21 PM (KZzsI)

331 Christopher, exactly.

Posted by: qdpsteve at February 06, 2021 09:21 PM (L2ZTs)

332 We started our journey with "Liberty Valance," as I noted.

Stewart and Wayne are about about 25 years too old for their parts. Vera miles is 5-10 years too old but she doesn't look it, especially next to the relatively ancient cowboys.

I mean, I don't know what else you would do. It's '62, you gonna put in Newman and Redford?

Posted by: moviegique at February 06, 2021 09:21 PM (dhFCT)

333 218 I like Big Jake, Boone as the bad guy goes well with Wayne.
Posted by: Ben Had at February 06, 2021 08:57 PM (O2+xe)
-----
My fav quote by Boone - " I think I just saw you have a foolish thought". . .
My fav quote by Wayne ". . . no matter what else happens, I'm still goin' to shoot your head clean off."

Posted by: MI'sMIMI at February 06, 2021 09:21 PM (g0gdr)

334 > Jeff Bridge's True Grit is better than John Wayne's True Grit.

why

Posted by: DB- just DB at February 06, 2021 09:21 PM (iTXRQ)

335 No love for Lonesome Dove ?

Posted by: JT at February 06, 2021 09:21 PM (arJlL)

336 All Hail Eris, good question. :-)
My best guess/response is: it's a British flick. The entire movie was produced by BBC.

Posted by: qdpsteve at February 06, 2021 09:21 PM (L2ZTs)

337 328 Having an open frontier, and always some new frontier, defined us as Americans. We're at a loss without it.
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 06, 2021 09:20 PM (ZHVt1)

That's why we need Space Force !

Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at February 06, 2021 09:22 PM (2DOZq)

338
The best nuclear holocaust flick is, of course and as most of you already know, Threads.
Posted by: qdpsteve

Fail Safe where President Henry Fonda nukes New York City.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.

You break out the popcorn for that one?

An interesting nuke film is the recent, How I Live Now. Saoirse Ronan is a sullen American teen from a broken home who goes to the UK to live with relatives, just in time for London to get nuked and the country descends into chaos. The nuke scene is really well done, and you never see the mushroom cloud or fireball, just the wind from the pressure wave and the falling ash.

Posted by: Mel Gibson at February 06, 2021 09:22 PM (EGyGV)

339 Big Jake's moral is "if you wanna have good sons, never stop beating 'em!" :-P

Posted by: qdpsteve at February 06, 2021 09:22 PM (L2ZTs)

340 Yes! "You go down there, ask her if she'll eat dog now..."
Posted by: Some rat in the swamp

Dog's a fine meal.
Posted by: Mel Gibson at February 06, 2021 09:17 PM (EGyGV)

Not a Paul Newman fan, but he had a great line in "Hombre," when the bad guys march up a hill to approach the stagecoach passengers, who are besieged there, to deliver their ultimatum. After they finish making their demands, Newman's character says, "I have a question. How are you planning on getting back down that hill?" and starts shooting them.

Beautiful.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 06, 2021 09:22 PM (YqDXo)

341 Lee Marvin was awesome as Liberty Valance

Posted by: Kat_man at February 06, 2021 09:22 PM (+7WqI)

342 Jeff Bridge's True Grit is better than John Wayne's True Grit.

I like them both equally. Both are very well done and both are true to the book in different ways. Jeff Bridges' Cogburn is closer to the book version, though.

Lord God above I love that book. Its so good. That and Shane are masterpieces that stunned me with their excellence.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2021 09:22 PM (KZzsI)

343 English Bob and Aliens. What a great cowboy story. Also, Craig as 007 sucks ass. Let's put a black lesbian in there to right the bloody English wrong.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at February 06, 2021 09:22 PM (03n3v)

344 Jeff Bridge's True Grit is better than John Wayne's True Grit.

Fight me!
Posted by: G'rump928(c)

I like it too.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 06, 2021 09:22 PM (VVEnO)

345 329 Jeff Bridge's True Grit is better than John Wayne's True Grit.

Fight me!
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 06, 2021 09:20 PM (yQpMk)

Meet me in the Octagon !

Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at February 06, 2021 09:23 PM (2DOZq)

346 But in the course of my tele-peregrinations I came across an old Randolph Scott movie. I started watching it out of nostalgia

Somewhat to my surprise, I found the movie ... engaging. Now maybe that was the nostalgia bit kicking in, but I don't think that was entirely it. It had a plot, it had conflict/tension, it had character development, it had an uplifting message.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 06, 2021 08:47 PM (YqDXo)

The studio system of that day needed lots of content, and lots of writers and actors learned by doing. There was a huge stable of writers/directors/actors who knew that repeat business was what they needed, so they had to respect the customer.

Movies more or less died out in the 60s as everyday views. TV partially replaced it, but it was burning up its seed corn and when the last generation of the mass studio retired there were fewer and fewer people with experience around.

Now, they can't even train writers by rejecting scripts, so multimillion blockbusters have no characters, no plot, no story. Death ensues

Posted by: Oldcat at February 06, 2021 09:23 PM (eoQWY)

347 I think my favorite is Jeremiah Johnson. No matter how many times I watch it, it still kicks ass.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at February 06, 2021 09:17 PM (Bvn1K)

Death Hunt.

https://youtu.be/cHGHcqZ0RdI

Posted by: Batman at February 06, 2021 09:23 PM (KnJdm)

348 ||320 304 Fail Safe where President Henry Fonda nukes New York City.

it and dr. strangelove came out in the same year. don't know which was first.||

Kubrick machinated quite expertly to get "Dr. Strangelove" out first, which just RUINED "Fail Safe" because he'd already conditioned the audiences to giggle at this stuff.

If "Fail Safe" had come out first, people seeing "Dr." would've said, "This is no joking matter!" Guaranteed.

Posted by: moviegique at February 06, 2021 09:23 PM (dhFCT)

349 why

Jeff is a better Rooster and Halley Steinfeld is a better Mattie.

I will not mention Matt Damon as discount Glen Campbell.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 06, 2021 09:23 PM (yQpMk)

350 Off batsock

Posted by: 4 at February 06, 2021 09:23 PM (KnJdm)

351 How the West Was Won is a long movie. Run time was almost 3 hours. I remember once in college it was showing on one of the UHF stations, with ads for carpet stores and used car lots every 10 minutes, and that made it even longer. Some friends and I watched about the first half-hour, went out for dinner, ate dinner, walked back, and watched another hour or so at the end. Didn't really seem like we missed anything.

Posted by: Trimegistus at February 06, 2021 09:23 PM (QZxDR)

352 Jeff Bridge's True Grit is better than John Wayne's True Grit.

He sounded like Mushmouth Johnson in that.

Posted by: JT at February 06, 2021 09:23 PM (arJlL)

353 Mel Gibson, I believe Threads is that way about the explosions as well.

You don't get the mushroom clouds so much. You do get an incredible scene of a woman pissing herself down her pants in public, she's so terrified.

Posted by: qdpsteve at February 06, 2021 09:23 PM (L2ZTs)

354 That hat on The Duke is hilarious.

Posted by: Sharkman at February 06, 2021 09:23 PM (0bGEp)

355 The Searchers is the best movie of any genre of all time. This is John Wayne as an actor not just him being the Duke. The story is solid and the cast is terrific as was the cinematography.

Posted by: Cosda at February 06, 2021 09:24 PM (jBF9t)

356 The American West was a frontier that was largely conquered and settled by individuals, with only nominal support from the state.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur

Like the Transcontinental Railroad?

I love westerns and all the myths about the West, but most of it is all hogwash.

A really great story would be the building of The Great Northern railroad, because THAT was actually supposed to be built with all private money.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....Outlaw in America at February 06, 2021 09:24 PM (tjZg/)

357 Hombre is an early Elmore Leonard story, he started out writing westerns then went to crime stuff. Its well written.

Liberty Valance is one of those movies I'll always stop to watch. Its so good even if subverts usual western themes, because it does so with respect and admiration for the genre, not contempt.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2021 09:24 PM (KZzsI)

358 327 Why is it called "Threads"?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at February 06, 2021 09:20 PM (Dc2NZ)

Watch the very beginning, there is a very poetic explanation being given in a voiceover as a spider spins a web. I am going off of memory and it was DECADES ago: something about the "threads of society" getting thinner and more fragile as the spiderweb gets bigger or some such.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at February 06, 2021 09:24 PM (49Dnm)

359 No love for Lonesome Dove ?

Posted by: JT
I do.

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at February 06, 2021 09:24 PM (r1z5A)

360 You wanna know what I hate about "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance?"

The Jimmy Stewart character is a lawyer. Next thing you know he's Congresscritter. And at the end he's a Senator.

So. The fucker goes to Washington and leaves the "state" behind. Fucking shit.

Posted by: JAS, AoSHQ addict at February 06, 2021 09:24 PM (2BZBZ)

361 Catch33, I forgot about that opening to Threads. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at February 06, 2021 09:25 PM (L2ZTs)

362 Kubrick machinated quite expertly to get "Dr. Strangelove" out first, which just RUINED "Fail Safe" because he'd already conditioned the audiences to giggle at this stuff.

My Dad was a Titan II missile commander in SAC when Dr. Strangelove came out. He and my Mom went to see it in the theater, and they laughed the whole time at all the technical mistakes, while everyone else was terrified because the premise was so scary.

Posted by: Sharkman at February 06, 2021 09:25 PM (0bGEp)

363 I think Threads is about the ties between people, its about relationships and what happens to society after being destroyed. The scene with the children being taught how to read in the ruins of a bombed out school was haunting, and you're left with the sense that its not really going to work, despite the best efforts of adults.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2021 09:25 PM (KZzsI)

364 Stalin didn't care for it either, which is why Part III was only begun when it was canceled. I think they finished a hundred feet of film, if that.

Eisenstein died soon thereafter.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at February 06, 2021 09:19 PM (49Dnm)

I believe part II was about Ivan's domestic affairs/struggles with boyars, hitting too close to home for old Stalin.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 06, 2021 09:25 PM (eoQWY)

365 Go back further. At one time, anything west of the original 13 colonies was considered "the West."
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 06, 2021 09:17 PM (YqDXo)

This is true.

Posted by: browndog at February 06, 2021 09:25 PM (BgMrQ)

366 although I'm not a fan of Paul Newman, I thought he nailed "Hud"

I was raised on a farm in TX and I can tell you, he nailed the voice and the accent

Meryl Streep, pfffft

Posted by: REDACTED at February 06, 2021 09:25 PM (zZxh0)

367 Sacketts is on tomorrow, then Rio Lobo and McClintock. Bunch of other movies on Grit.

Posted by: Infidel at February 06, 2021 09:25 PM (twGU3)

368 how about scifi movies that ate actually westerns?

All scifi movies are westerns. All westerns are morality plays.

Posted by: Beatgirl at February 06, 2021 08:54 PM (a1s18

Firefly/Serenity?

Posted by: Russkilitlover at February 06, 2021 09:25 PM (99Nt9)

369
Crap. I'm leaving socks all over the place today.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 06, 2021 09:26 PM (EGyGV)

370 Death Hunt.

https://youtu.be/cHGHcqZ0RdI
Posted by: Batman at February 06, 2021 09:23 PM (KnJdm)

Sold.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at February 06, 2021 09:26 PM (Bvn1K)

371 Yeah, it was all "the West" at some point, but if there's no mountains or desert, it seems like the East to me. Maybe because I'm from the Rockies, I guess.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at February 06, 2021 09:20 PM (Bvn1K)

As indicated, as a kid, I considered Nevada the beginning of the East Coast.

Laughable, to be sure, but ... it felt that way to a little kid in California.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 06, 2021 09:26 PM (YqDXo)

372 Speaking of depressing real cowboy / rancher movie.

Hud has to be at the top of the list.

Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at February 06, 2021 09:26 PM (2DOZq)

373 Growing in California, I thought of the East Coast as Nevada and points east.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

When I moved to Boston for a gig many of my peers were convinced Ohio was just an all day drive to California.

Posted by: Tonypete at February 06, 2021 09:26 PM (Rvt88)

374 The Flower likes both "True Grit"s but she says she wants to mash them up to make the perfect version. She likes Bridges but she loves Wayne more. She thinks the hairstyles in the '69 version are stupid. (Fair.) She thinks the newer one looks better (which is saying something, since she's a died-in-the-wool technicolor fan, and boy is my kid weird or what?)

Posted by: moviegique at February 06, 2021 09:26 PM (dhFCT)

375
I will not mention Matt Damon as discount Glen Campbell.
Posted by: G'rump928(c)

Campbell was pretty bad.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 06, 2021 09:26 PM (63Dwl)

376 I think my favorite is Jeremiah Johnson. No matter how many times I watch it, it still kicks ass.

That movie made a big impression on me. Liver eating Johnson. Started a mountain man reading spree that had I the means would have gotten me way back in the bush somewhere to live. Even bought a Hawken kit that I never finished.

Posted by: dartist at February 06, 2021 09:26 PM (+ya+t)

377 I really like Paul Newman, he's terrific in every role.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2021 09:26 PM (KZzsI)

378 Thoughts on "How the West Was Won?"

It occupies a place in my heart because my late father took me to see it when I was a nipper, and even now, I'm struck by the sweep of the plot.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

I saw it at a Cinerama theater in my town, The Dabel.
The ending scene with the shoot-out on the train, with the cars coming off the track almost looked like it was coming right at the audience.
I saw a lot of great movies in Cinerama at that theater; "Ice Station Zebra", "The Sound of Music" (I had to go to that, ugh), and especially "2001" which was really incredible in Cinerama.
Cinerama had three projectors and kind of a wrap-around screen. It's all gone now, but there were some beautiful movies I saw at that theater.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....Outlaw in America at February 06, 2021 09:27 PM (tjZg/)

379
No love for Lonesome Dove ?

Posted by: JT
I do.

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at February 06, 2021 09:24 PM

The scene where Capt.Call (Tommy Lee Jones) beats the bejeezus of of that scout is almost as good as Nolan Ryan whipping Robin Ventura's ass

Posted by: AltonJackson at February 06, 2021 09:27 PM (TLBVO)

380 Stories like clothing are made from threads.

The threads are woven to compose both.

Posted by: JT at February 06, 2021 09:27 PM (arJlL)

381 Go back further. At one time, anything west of the original 13 colonies was considered "the West."
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 06, 2021 09:17 PM (YqDXo)

Alternate history alert. What if only the 13 colonies were able to acquire territory after the Revolution?

Posted by: Toy Cannon at February 06, 2021 09:27 PM (5KACt)

382 366 although I'm not a fan of Paul Newman, I thought he nailed "Hud"

I was raised on a farm in TX and I can tell you, he nailed the voice and the accent

Meryl Streep, pfffft
Posted by: REDACTED at February 06, 2021 09:25 PM (zZxh0)

Not bad for a kid from Shaker Heights, Ohio.

Posted by: browndog at February 06, 2021 09:28 PM (BgMrQ)

383 I will always love "Giant"

Posted by: Ben Had at February 06, 2021 09:28 PM (O2+xe)

384 Recall that at one time, the "West" meant Ohio, Kentucky, Illinois, etc.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 06, 2021 09:15 PM

see, also: Northwestern University; Case-Western, etc
Posted by: AltonJackson at February 06, 2021 09:20 PM (TLBVO)

Cincinnati's nickname is "the Queen City of the West"

Posted by: Oldcat at February 06, 2021 09:28 PM (eoQWY)

385 ||That hat on The Duke is hilarious.

I wondered if anyone would comment on that.

Posted by: moviegique at February 06, 2021 09:28 PM (dhFCT)

386 Hey, the great Northwest forests that Paul Bunyan logged with his giant blue ox?

Michigan/Wisconsin area. The "old west" used to be west of the Mississippi, where civilization stopped.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2021 09:28 PM (KZzsI)

387 321 Threads and The Day After came out about the same time. Day After is slicker and has better names, but Threads is a much, much better movie.

Both scared the ever lovin' crap out of me.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2021 09:19 PM (KZzsI)

I only saw the very beginning of Threads. The Day After I saw twice, both times before I got done with fourth grade. A movie intended to scare the crap out of adults being seen by a kid who had NO idea what nuclear weapons before my parents showed it to me?

The first warning should have been "We know you'll have a lot of questions about this. Ask away." I won't be seeing it again because even now I can recall how mortified I was from the bombing on.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at February 06, 2021 09:29 PM (49Dnm)

388 362 Kubrick machinated quite expertly to get "Dr. Strangelove" out first, which just RUINED "Fail Safe" because he'd already conditioned the audiences to giggle at this stuff.

Colossus: the Forbin Project

FTW

actually, I hate this movie

Posted by: REDACTED at February 06, 2021 09:29 PM (zZxh0)

389 Yeah, it was all "the West" at some point, but if there's no mountains or desert, it seems like the East to me. Maybe because I'm from the Rockies, I guess.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at February 06, 2021 09:20 PM (Bvn1K)

There are mountains - Appalacians.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 06, 2021 09:29 PM (eoQWY)

390 Death Hunt.

https://youtu.be/cHGHcqZ0RdI
Posted by: Batman at February 06, 2021 09:23 PM (KnJdm)

That looks like a good one. Wonder if I can find it on roku?

Posted by: Infidel at February 06, 2021 09:29 PM (twGU3)

391 although I'm not a fan of Paul Newman, I thought he nailed "Hud"

I was raised on a farm in TX and I can tell you, he nailed the voice and the accent

Meryl Streep, pfffft
Posted by: REDACTED

His spaghetti sauce is Ok too.

Posted by: Miklos, the neglected 8th Samurrai at February 06, 2021 09:29 PM (QzkSJ)

392 Fail Safe where President Henry Fonda nukes New York City.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.

That was a bothersome movie, wasn't it?
The "Bedford Incident", too.
And I remember "Dr Strangelove" being shown on a weeknight on network TV in 1968, followed by a 10 minute Hubert Humphrey campaign commercial, from 10:50 pm to 11 pm (time for the news!).

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....Outlaw in America at February 06, 2021 09:30 PM (tjZg/)

393 The scene where Capt.Call (Tommy Lee Jones) beats the bejeezus of of that scout

I think that was mean to make you scared of and dislike Call, but I respected him for it. It felt true to life, too, that kind of thing would happen from time to time, especially if some young punk sassed an older badass.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2021 09:30 PM (KZzsI)

394 You wanna know what I hate about "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance?"

The movie I particularly liked was "High Noon." As a kid I took it as an allegory of the relations between the US and Europe vis a vis the USSR.

I later learned it was intended as an anti-McCarthy screed in defense of homegrown Communists.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 06, 2021 09:30 PM (YqDXo)

395 I will always love "Giant"
Posted by: Ben Had

The book was good as well.

Posted by: JT at February 06, 2021 09:30 PM (arJlL)

396 Cincinnati's nickname is "the Queen City of the West"
Posted by: Oldcat at February 06, 2021 09:28 PM (eoQWY)

------

That's Denver now. Gotta be the gayest place outside of SF.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at February 06, 2021 09:30 PM (Bvn1K)

397 Does anyone remember "Special Bulletin," the 80's tv movie where terrorists brought a nuke into Charleston harbor?

(Spoiler: not a happy ending.)

Posted by: Dr. Varno at February 06, 2021 09:30 PM (vuisn)

398 Colorado still thinks that they are "the West."

LOL. 1500 miles from the Pacific.

Posted by: JAS, AoSHQ addict at February 06, 2021 09:30 PM (2BZBZ)

399 The reason there's several characters in common among John Ford's Cavalry movies is that the movies are based on a series of stories by James Warner Bellah. I've read one of them; he was a good writer. I believe he actually served in the cavalry, so he knew his stuff.

Posted by: Trimegistus at February 06, 2021 09:31 PM (QZxDR)

400 389 Yeah, it was all "the West" at some point, but if there's no mountains or desert, it seems like the East to me. Maybe because I'm from the Rockies, I guess.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at February 06, 2021 09:20 PM (Bvn1K)

There are mountains - Appalacians.
Posted by: Oldcat at February 06, 2021 09:29 PM (eoQWY)

Alleghenies, Adirondacks, Green Mountains, White Mountains...they're just older, that's all.

Posted by: browndog at February 06, 2021 09:31 PM (BgMrQ)

401 His spaghetti sauce is Ok too.
Posted by: Miklos, the neglected 8th Samurrai at February 06, 2021 09:29 PM (QzkSJ)

He said he identified as Jewish because it would make it harder to succeed in Hollywood.

Please.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 06, 2021 09:31 PM (YqDXo)

402 I later learned it was intended as an anti-McCarthy screed in defense of homegrown Communists.

Yeah but he was the only one who understood that or took that from the movie. Nobody else caught on to his double secret special wink wink meaning.

I mean they did in Hollywood, Wayne hated it because of that crap. But it does not come across in the movie, even if you know that's what he meant it to be about.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2021 09:31 PM (KZzsI)

403 I'm always equal parts amused and annoyed by the Westerns that used Monument Valley for a backdrop. John Ford especially loved it because the scenery is so dramatic, but if you've been there you know there's no grass, there's no water, there's not enough there to keep a single cow alive. (same for the Arizona desert with all the cactus) Just like for every western set in Texas, they film it around Ft. Davis, even though only a small fraction of the state actually looks like that.

Now it would be fair to put any stories about the Buffalo Soldiers in Ft. Davis, since that's where they were stationed. The Generals in DC were trying to put them as far away as possible.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 06, 2021 09:32 PM (V2Yro)

404 My Dad was a Titan II missile commander in SAC when Dr. Strangelove came out. He and my Mom went to see it in the theater, and they laughed the whole time at all the technical mistakes, while everyone else was terrified because the premise was so scary.
Posted by: Sharkman at February 06, 2021 09:25 PM (0bGEp)

At an air show, years ago now, a buddy of mine and I went under a B-52. My buddy decided to act the part of a tour guide: "And this here, ladies and gentlemen, is where Slim Pickens jumped on the bomb-"

The air crew saw and laughed: "You know most of the systems on the -52 were classified when it came out, right?" We had a great time with those guys from that point on, yukking it up about that movie. Good times.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at February 06, 2021 09:32 PM (49Dnm)

405 372 Speaking of depressing real cowboy / rancher movie.

Hud has to be at the top of the list.
Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at February 06, 2021 09:26 PM (2DOZq)

I always saw it as a comedy

Posted by: REDACTED at February 06, 2021 09:32 PM (zZxh0)

406 Would The Alamo (1960) be considered a Western or a historical drama? (I saw that and rather liked it.)

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at February 06, 2021 09:32 PM (49Dnm)

407 Worst Western: "Paint Your Wagon."

Turns out that casting Lee Marvin and Clint Eastwood as the leads in a goddamned MUSICAL is a bad idea.

Posted by: Trimegistus at February 06, 2021 09:32 PM (QZxDR)

408 Having fun but I've got an early Sun, so thanks and take care all. Niters.

Posted by: MI'sMIMI at February 06, 2021 09:32 PM (g0gdr)

409 That's Denver now. Gotta be the gayest place outside of SF.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice

Ewwwwwwwww. No wonder I haven't been there for so many years. Last time was a mome.

Posted by: Infidel at February 06, 2021 09:33 PM (twGU3)

410 Go back further. At one time, anything west of the original 13 colonies was considered "the West."
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 06, 2021 09:17 PM (YqDXo)

This is true.
Posted by: browndog at February 06, 2021 09:25 PM (BgMrQ)

The largest defeat the US Army suffered to Indians was in Ohio. The tribes that did it were in what was to be Ft Wayne Indiana, because Mad Anthony Wayne marched across the wilderness to there to avenge the defeat on the Indians, and to eject the English fort at Toledo that was bankrolling them.

In Colonial Times there were Indian wars that came close to wiping out colonies in Massachusetts and Jersey.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 06, 2021 09:33 PM (eoQWY)

411 Random movie star trivia:

Lee Marvin is buried under a headstone that says:

Lee Marvin
PFC
US Marine Corps
World War II
Feb 19 1924
Aug 29 1987

Now there's a man with his priorities straight.

Posted by: Sharkman at February 06, 2021 09:33 PM (0bGEp)

412 DrVarno, I LOVE Special Bulletin.

I still have my VHS copy of it. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at February 06, 2021 09:33 PM (L2ZTs)

413 You wanna know what I hate about "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance?

Yeah, I mean they go way out of their way to make Steward a likeable guy, and he's so good at it, that it works but... there's something wrong with that guy all the way through. He gets basically handed everything and never fights for any of it.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2021 09:33 PM (KZzsI)

414
I think that was mean to make you scared of and dislike Call, but I respected him for it. It felt true to life, too, that kind of thing would happen from time to time, especially if some young punk sassed an older badass.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2021 09:30 PM

agreed, it was a righteous beating & I respected him for it, too

Posted by: AltonJackson at February 06, 2021 09:33 PM (TLBVO)

415 399 The reason there's several characters in common among John Ford's Cavalry movies is that the movies are based on a series of stories by James Warner Bellah. I've read one of them; he was a good writer. I believe he actually served in the cavalry, so he knew his stuff.
Posted by: Trimegistus at February 06, 2021 09:31 PM (QZxDR)

shoot, almost all of them show up again (with different names) in Ireland, in "The Quiet Man."

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 06, 2021 09:33 PM (V2Yro)

416 Cincinnati's nickname is "the Queen City of the West"

I'll always maintain that the guy who founded Cincinnati stuttered and the real name is Cinatti.

Posted by: JT at February 06, 2021 09:33 PM (arJlL)

417 Watch the very beginning, there is a very poetic explanation being given in a voiceover as a spider spins a web. I am going off of memory and it was DECADES ago: something about the "threads of society" getting thinner and more fragile as the spiderweb gets bigger or some such.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at February 06, 2021 09:24 PM (49Dnm)
---

Ah, thanks.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at February 06, 2021 09:33 PM (Dc2NZ)

418 Queen city of the plains

Posted by: DB- just DB at February 06, 2021 09:33 PM (iTXRQ)

419 (Denver)

Posted by: DB- just DB at February 06, 2021 09:34 PM (iTXRQ)

420 His spaghetti sauce is Ok too.
Posted by: Miklos, the neglected 8th Samurrai at February 06, 2021 09:29 PM (QzkSJ)

no. it sucks

should call it Harper

Posted by: REDACTED at February 06, 2021 09:34 PM (zZxh0)

421 No love for Lonesome Dove ?
Posted by: JT
----

“I hate rude behavior in a man,' he explained in his quiet, unassuming drawl. 'I won't tolerate it.'

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 06, 2021 09:34 PM (bPH26)

422 That's Denver now. Gotta be the gayest place outside of SF.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice

But Denver is FABULOUS

And oh that Governor!

Posted by: Miklos, looking for his favorite feather boa at February 06, 2021 09:34 PM (QzkSJ)

423 Turns out that casting Lee Marvin and Clint Eastwood as the leads in a goddamned MUSICAL is a bad idea.

Yeah, its pretty rough to watch and doesn't work but...

that opening with Rambling Star works really well with Lee Marvin's rumbling croaky voice singing at sort of a mutter. They did a good job with that.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2021 09:34 PM (KZzsI)

424 Colorado still thinks that they are "the West."

-
Brokeback West.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 06, 2021 09:35 PM (VVEnO)

425 No love for Lonesome Dove ?

===
Probably my favorite western.

Posted by: dartist at February 06, 2021 09:35 PM (+ya+t)

426 LadyL @ 298- Mrs. E has her capguns displayed over her gemstone collection cabinet. She has a picture of her in cowgirl outfit with her horse, Tony.

Posted by: Eromero at February 06, 2021 09:35 PM (em79L)

427 Looked him up: Bellah was an aviator, not a cavalryman.

Posted by: Trimegistus at February 06, 2021 09:35 PM (QZxDR)

428 361 Catch33, I forgot about that opening to Threads. :-)
Posted by: qdpsteve at February 06, 2021 09:25 PM (L2ZTs)

Sometimes, my memory scares ME.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at February 06, 2021 09:35 PM (49Dnm)

429 His spaghetti sauce is Ok too.

I have never actually tried it.

Posted by: Sometimes Miklos lies at February 06, 2021 09:35 PM (QzkSJ)

430 John Wayne had a bunch of actors he worked with in multiple films, including

Maureen Ohara
Victor McLaglen
Ward Bond
JC Flippen

Posted by: DB- just DB at February 06, 2021 09:35 PM (iTXRQ)

431 Cincinnati's nickname is "the Queen City of the West"

I'll always maintain that the guy who founded Cincinnati stuttered and the real name is Cinatti.
Posted by: JT
------

St. Louis: The Gateway to the West, hence, the Arch.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 06, 2021 09:36 PM (bPH26)

432 Good times.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33

Good times, indeed. I miss going to air shows with my old man.

Posted by: Sharkman at February 06, 2021 09:36 PM (0bGEp)

433 I actually like the *live tv* version of Fail-Safe that George Clooney did a couple years ago.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at February 06, 2021 09:36 PM (vuisn)

434 I loved "Paint Your Wagon."

Don't you know, you could go blind."

Posted by: JAS, AoSHQ addict at February 06, 2021 09:36 PM (2BZBZ)

435 I saw it at a Cinerama theater in my town, The Dabel.
The ending scene with the shoot-out on the train, with the cars coming off the track almost looked like it was coming right at the audience.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....Outlaw in America at February 06, 2021 09:27 PM (tjZg/)

I remember that scene well. I was moved by ageing of the characters - and of the country - through the course of the movie.

A similar movie in that respect is "Once Upon a Time in America," which spans roughly 1900-1970, the former being indicated by tenements, vegetable vendors, etc. in NYC, the latter being indicated by psychedelic posters, etc. in the background in NYC.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 06, 2021 09:37 PM (YqDXo)

436 413 You wanna know what I hate about "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance?

Yeah, I mean they go way out of their way to make Steward a likeable guy, and he's so good at it, that it works but... there's something wrong with that guy all the way through. He gets basically handed everything and never fights for any of it.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2021 09:33 PM (Ed

Just the opposite to me. He knew he didn't stand a chance against Liberty but stood up to him anyway. John Wayne shooting Liberty from the shadows instead of stepping up earlier rubbed me the wrong way.

Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at February 06, 2021 09:37 PM (2DOZq)

437 Alternate history alert. What if only the 13 colonies were able to acquire territory after the Revolution?
Posted by: Toy Cannon at February 06, 2021 09:27 PM (5KACt)

Most of them had claims to the Pacific from their borders, and Little Connecticutt had the "Western Reserve" around where Cleveland now is.

Kentucky was a rogue state in other states claimed lands, because the government was trying to hold back western spread that they could not defend/defend Indians.

At some point all states ceded such claims to the national government in exchange for the Govt assuming their debts.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 06, 2021 09:37 PM (eoQWY)

438 The beating scene in Lonesome Dove was the point at which Call's pansy son decides he will never like or get along with daddy, I think. Miserable character, should have been him at the end of that noose instead of Robert Urich.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2021 09:37 PM (KZzsI)

439 A young Maureen O'Hara.

Bunk.

Posted by: JAS, AoSHQ addict at February 06, 2021 09:37 PM (2BZBZ)

440 I'll always maintain that the guy who founded Cincinnati stuttered and the real name is Cinatti.
Posted by: JT

No love for Cincinnatus?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 06, 2021 09:38 PM (YqDXo)

441 I pretty much like all Westerns, but my fave is Rio Bravo.

Posted by: JT at February 06, 2021 09:38 PM (arJlL)

442 I always thought the "secret meaning" of High Noon shows just how stupid and delusional Lefties are. A man who shows courage to fight a gang of bandits when nobody will help him is supposed to be a COMMUNIST allegory? Seems to me a good Commie allegory would be to have the bandits defeated by collective action, right?

Posted by: Trimegistus at February 06, 2021 09:38 PM (QZxDR)

443 That's Denver now. Gotta be the gayest place outside of SF.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice

"Queen City" was Seattles moniker, they changed it to the "Emerald City"As a local wag stated, "If that's the case, Toto's a slug."

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at February 06, 2021 09:38 PM (r1z5A)

444 Lonesome Dove really is in a class all by itself.

Woodrow Call
Gus McCrae
Blue Duck
Newt

So many great characters. Everyone of them was well-developed, unique, perfectly acted. The effort Call makes just to get his friend buried back in TX is incredibly touching.

Posted by: Sharkman at February 06, 2021 09:38 PM (0bGEp)

445 No love for Cincinnatus?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

I own a weedwhacker.

Posted by: JT at February 06, 2021 09:39 PM (arJlL)

446 Jean Seberg.

Bunk.

Posted by: JAS, AoSHQ addict at February 06, 2021 09:39 PM (2BZBZ)

447 Colorado feels a hell of alot more like the west than most of the west coast. There are genuine honest-to-God drawling cowboys that are real hat and boots there. I mean, they are in eastern Oregon and California too.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2021 09:39 PM (KZzsI)

448 Hanging Robert Urich was a bad deal and I never forgave the characters for it.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 06, 2021 09:39 PM (yQpMk)

449 At some point all states ceded such claims to the national government in exchange for the Govt assuming their debts.
Posted by: Oldcat

Reparations.
We now own New York.

Posted by: California State treasurer and presumptive bankruptcy trustee at February 06, 2021 09:39 PM (QzkSJ)

450 Charlotte, NC is the Queen City.

Posted by: JAS, AoSHQ addict at February 06, 2021 09:40 PM (2BZBZ)

451 Cincinnati's nickname is "the Queen City of the West"

I'll always maintain that the guy who founded Cincinnati stuttered and the real name is Cinatti.
Posted by: JT
------

St. Louis: The Gateway to the West, hence, the Arch.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 06, 2021 09:36 PM (bPH26)

It comes from the Society of the Cincinnati, a group of officers from the Revoltution, named after the Roman hero Cincinnatus who is made dictator after a disaster, drops his plow on his little farm to fight, wins a smashing victory quickly, and gives up his absolute rule before the term ends to go back to his little farm.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 06, 2021 09:40 PM (eoQWY)

452
it and dr. strangelove came out in the same year. don't know which was first.||

Kubrick machinated quite expertly to get "Dr. Strangelove" out first, which just RUINED "Fail Safe" because he'd already conditioned the audiences to giggle at this stuff.

If "Fail Safe" had come out first, people seeing "Dr." would've said, "This is no joking matter!" Guaranteed.
Posted by: moviegique at February 06, 2021 09:23 PM (dhFCT)

Wait a minute. I thought Fail Safe came out in 1962 and Dr. Strangelove came out in 1964.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at February 06, 2021 09:40 PM (49Dnm)

453 Apologies for this being a bit off topic (but it is movie/entertainment related), but in the sidebar there is a post about the new "Clarice" show. It sounds awful. Tt should last six episodes, tops, before it is canceled.

In it, Clarice is undergoing therapy as a result of her experience with Buffalo Bill. Um, why, exactly? That experience, while a truly frightening five minutes, ended with her killing the bad guy and saving the lamb, er, damsel in distress. Would anyone really be traumatized by this? By realizing that your training and abilities led to a one hundred percent successful outcome?

Posted by: Chuck C at February 06, 2021 09:40 PM (awtm/)

454 A young Maureen O'Hara.

Bunk.

Posted by: JAS, AoSHQ addict

She was quite a beauty.
She played opposite Wayne again, in "Wings of Eagles", as his wife. She was really purty in that movie, too

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....Outlaw in America at February 06, 2021 09:40 PM (tjZg/)

455 It's definitely a movie that sucked. It had so much potential.

Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me

The biggest problem with Cowboys and Aliens is that is stars Petrified Ham Sandwich Daniel Craig.

What a complete bore he is in all respects.

Posted by: Sharkman at February 06, 2021 09:40 PM (0bGEp)

456 I don't like Matt Damon personally but I have to admit he's a fine actor and he did well in True Grit. Better than Glenn Campbell, who I respect deeply for his music but was no kind of actor.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2021 09:41 PM (KZzsI)

457 Paint You Wagon was one of my Father's favorite movies.

Clint Eastwood had an affair with the movie's stars actress and ghosted her probably causing her to commit suicide.

Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at February 06, 2021 09:41 PM (2DOZq)

458
Woodrow Call
Gus McCrae
Blue Duck
Newt

So many great characters. Everyone of them was well-developed, unique, perfectly acted. The effort Call makes just to get his friend buried back in TX is incredibly touching.
Posted by: Sharkman
--------

The scene where Gus schools the uppity bartender is one of my favorites.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 06, 2021 09:41 PM (bPH26)

459 Lee Marvin

PFC

US Marine Corps

World War II

Feb 19 1924

Aug 29 1987

Fought in the Battle of Saipan the same time my uncle was there. I always thought how cool it would be if my uncle got drunk with him.

Posted by: dartist at February 06, 2021 09:41 PM (+ya+t)

460 Hanging Robert Urich was a bad deal and I never forgave the characters for it.

Posted by: G'rump928(c)

I don't know. Hanging out with Man Burners seems like a bad move if you're thinking to avoid the hangin' tree.

Posted by: Sharkman at February 06, 2021 09:42 PM (0bGEp)

461 Apologies for this being a bit off topic (but it is movie/entertainment related), but in the sidebar there is a post about the new "Clarice" show. It sounds awful. Tt should last six episodes, tops, before it is canceled.

Posted by: Chuck C at February 06, 2021 09:40 PM (awtm/)

I think you should assume that any movie or TV will be written like crap and have an idiot plot until overwhelming evidence to the contrary is presented.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 06, 2021 09:42 PM (eoQWY)

462 ||Seems to me a good Commie allegory would be to have the bandits defeated by collective action, right?||

But that's what makes "High Noon" good art. Same with (hand to go) "Dead Man Walking". The artist's technique transcends his politics, and people agree that the portrayal of reality is good even though they walk away with the exact opposite of the message intended.

This is part of what makes "Valance" great, too. It's a picture of lawless, might-makes-right-culture giving way to a decadent lawyer-driven culture. You don't have to like any of it, but you're supposed to respect Wayne's sacrifice.

Posted by: moviegique at February 06, 2021 09:42 PM (dhFCT)

463 442 I always thought the "secret meaning" of High Noon shows just how stupid and delusional Lefties are. A man who shows courage to fight a gang of bandits when nobody will help him is supposed to be a COMMUNIST allegory? Seems to me a good Commie allegory would be to have the bandits defeated by collective action, right?

Posted by: Trimegistus at February 06, 2021 09:38 PM (QZxDR)

One of my favorite moments from Alexander Nevsky was when one of the shopkeepers was letting the people of Pskov take all his weapons and armor and was inviting them to do so. That would be VERY communist, indeed.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at February 06, 2021 09:43 PM (49Dnm)

464 Fought in the Battle of Saipan the same time my uncle was there. I always thought how cool it would be if my uncle got drunk with him.

Posted by: dartist

Wounded in the ass on Saipan. Now there's a barroom opening line for a story.

Posted by: Sharkman at February 06, 2021 09:43 PM (0bGEp)

465 I mean they did in Hollywood, Wayne hated it because of that crap. But it does not come across in the movie, even if you know that's what he meant it to be about.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2021 09:31 PM (KZzsI)

You make me feel better, because that interpretation had been totally lost on me when I saw the movie. Only later did I read that that was intent behind it.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 06, 2021 09:43 PM (YqDXo)

466 Lee Marvin

PFC

US Marine Corps

World War II

Feb 19 1924

Aug 29 1987

Now there's a man with his priorities straight.

Posted by: Sharkman
An interviewer: "Lee, I understand you were wounded?" Marvin. "Yeah, I got shot in the ass." Didn't expand on it, didn't aw shucks it.

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at February 06, 2021 09:43 PM (r1z5A)

467 Charlotte, NC is the Queen City.
Posted by: JAS
---------

It's a cake, a city, and a queen!

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 06, 2021 09:43 PM (cGzEU)

468 The scene where they hang the outlaws including Robert Urich was the one part of that miniseries where McMurtry's attempt to subvert and attack the themes and myths of the old west actually worked: our heroes look like miserable bastards for it.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2021 09:43 PM (KZzsI)

469 Hanging Robert Urich was a bad deal and I never forgave the characters for it.

Posted by: G'rump928(c)

I never liked him and wouldn't mind if they hung him in every move/show he made.

Posted by: JT at February 06, 2021 09:43 PM (arJlL)

470 446 Jean Seberg.

Bunk.
Posted by: JAS, AoSHQ addict at February 06, 2021 09:39 PM (2BZBZ)

oh yes

and she hated Clint

Posted by: REDACTED at February 06, 2021 09:44 PM (zZxh0)

471 Posted by: Chuck C at February 06, 2021 09:40 PM (awtm/)

Has to be better than The Equalizer with Queen Latifa.

Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at February 06, 2021 09:44 PM (2DOZq)

472 One of my favorite moments from Alexander Nevsky was when one of the shopkeepers was letting the people of Pskov take all his weapons and armor and was inviting them to do so. That would be VERY communist, indeed.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at February 06, 2021 09:43 PM (49Dnm)

Or someone pitching in to help his neighbors, like an barn building / put out the fire scene in a US movie.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 06, 2021 09:44 PM (eoQWY)

473 Charlotte, NC is the Queen City.
Posted by: JAS
---------

It's a cake, a city, and a queen!
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 06, 2021 09:43 PM (cGzEU)

No, it is named after a queen.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 06, 2021 09:44 PM (eoQWY)

474 Maureen O'Hara was a potty-mouthed old hen in "Only the Lonely" But Anthony Quinn knew how to seduce her.

Posted by: JAS, AoSHQ addict at February 06, 2021 09:45 PM (2BZBZ)

475 Hanging out with Man Burners seems like a bad move if you're thinking to avoid the hangin' tree.

They were basically holding him hostage, its not like he sought them out and tried to join the gang.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2021 09:45 PM (KZzsI)

476 Hanging Robert Urich was a bad deal and I never forgave the characters for it.

Deserved it for the way he treated Laurie darlin.

Posted by: dartist at February 06, 2021 09:45 PM (+ya+t)

477 The Searchers is the best movie of any genre of all time. This is John Wayne as an actor not just him being the Duke. The story is solid and the cast is terrific as was the cinematography.
Posted by: Cosda at February 06, 2021 09:24 PM (jBF9t)

Concur.
Named oldest son after Waynes character.
Went to a showing of The Searchers at an art museum. People in the audience were doing some of the the dialogue out loud. ....memorable.

Posted by: Voter theater. at February 06, 2021 09:46 PM (LPvgl)

478 470 446 Jean Seberg.

Bunk.
Posted by: JAS, AoSHQ addict at February 06, 2021 09:39 PM (2BZBZ)

oh yes

and she hated Clint
Posted by: REDACTED at February 06, 2021 09:44 PM (zZxh0)

She had an affair with him so she didn't hate him that much.

Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at February 06, 2021 09:46 PM (2DOZq)

479 442 I always thought the "secret meaning" of High Noon shows just how stupid and delusional Lefties are. A man who shows courage to fight a gang of bandits when nobody will help him is supposed to be a COMMUNIST allegory? Seems to me a good Commie allegory would be to have the bandits defeated by collective action, right?

Posted by: Trimegistus at February 06, 2021 09:38 PM (QZxDR)

The Communists in Hollywood considered themselves to be the righteous, assailed by the nativists whose country they'd emigrated to.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 06, 2021 09:46 PM (YqDXo)

480 476 Hanging Robert Urich was a bad deal and I never forgave the characters for it.

Deserved it for the way he treated Laurie darlin.
Posted by: dartist at February 06, 2021 09:45 PM (+ya+t)

Word mon ami...

Posted by: Xavier Wanze at February 06, 2021 09:46 PM (BgMrQ)

481 She had an affair with him so she didn't hate him that much.
Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me

She also hung around with The Black Panthers.

Posted by: JT at February 06, 2021 09:47 PM (arJlL)

482
No, it is named after a queen.
Posted by: Oldcat
------

Next, you'll be claiming that the county was named for Mecklenburg-Strelitz,

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 06, 2021 09:47 PM (cGzEU)

483 It is interesting to me that the director of High Noon did such a good job with it in terms of telling a story and technical mastery but failed utterly to get his intended point across. Its a work of art but nobody got his point. As others have pointed out they all drew kind of the opposite conclusion from it.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2021 09:48 PM (KZzsI)

484 Hanging Robert Urich was a bad deal and I never forgave the characters for it.

Deserved it for the way he treated Laurie darlin.

Posted by: dartist

Yep, throw in with bad guys...

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at February 06, 2021 09:48 PM (r1z5A)

485 ||Wait a minute. I thought Fail Safe came out in 1962 and Dr. Strangelove came out in 1964.||

Both were '64.

Posted by: moviegique at February 06, 2021 09:48 PM (dhFCT)

486 I checked: Eastwood's female lead in Paint Your Wagon was Jean Seberg, who died ten years later in France, while on her third or fourth husband. So I think it's safe to say she got over Clint.

Posted by: Trimegistus at February 06, 2021 09:48 PM (QZxDR)

487 She also hung around with The Black Panthers.
Posted by: JT at February 06, 2021 09:47 PM (arJlL)

As did, e.g., Leonard Bernstein.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 06, 2021 09:48 PM (YqDXo)

488 i know a little about chandeliers and that one in "War of the Roses" would have never held those two

not for one second

Posted by: REDACTED at February 06, 2021 09:49 PM (zZxh0)

489 Seberg was one of those girls who thought cutting all her hair off was a hot statement in the 60s. I'll never understand that.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2021 09:49 PM (KZzsI)

490 Nobody wants to hang somebody they rangered with but Jake Spoon fell in with bad people. Really bad people. Had to do it.

Posted by: Eromero at February 06, 2021 09:49 PM (em79L)

491 She also hung around with The Black Panthers.
Posted by: JT at February 06, 2021 09:47 PM (arJlL)

As did, e.g., Leonard Bernstein.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

Mebbe he wanted to learn Rap.

Posted by: JT at February 06, 2021 09:49 PM (arJlL)

492 No, it is named after a queen.
Posted by: Oldcat
------

Next, you'll be claiming that the county was named for Mecklenburg-Strelitz,
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 06, 2021 09:47 PM (cGzEU)

I'm sure it was because of Mecklinburg's importance in trade, they wanted to draw comparison to Charlotte for that.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 06, 2021 09:49 PM (eoQWY)

493 I never liked him and wouldn't mind if they hung him in every move/show he made.
Posted by: JT at February 06

That's how I feel about Jack Black. His best roles were in The Jackal and The X-Files.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at February 06, 2021 09:50 PM (Bvn1K)

494 452 Wait a minute. I thought Fail Safe came out in 1962 and Dr. Strangelove came out in 1964.

fail safe book 62, film 64

Posted by: Anachronda, behind the Newsom curtain at February 06, 2021 09:50 PM (5br8a)

495 Next, you'll be claiming that the county was named for Mecklenburg-Strelitz,
Posted by: Mike Hammer,

And they found gold, by the nugget

Posted by: Miklos von Saxe-Gotha County SC at February 06, 2021 09:51 PM (QzkSJ)

496 I believe the news I read hear with just a smidgen more trustworthiness than FoxNews, NewsMax, and CNN.

Please don't take it personally. I just don't believe anything anymore other than the Catechism of the Council of Trent.

Posted by: JAS, AoSHQ addict at February 06, 2021 09:51 PM (2BZBZ)

497 As did, e.g., Leonard Bernstein.

A lot of famous people made spectacularly stupid choices back then, like George Lazenby who was terrific as Bond, but dumped the role because it wasn't cool and he wanted to be in with the hip London scene. And destroyed his entire career.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2021 09:51 PM (KZzsI)

498 481 She had an affair with him so she didn't hate him that much.
Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me

yeah, cause we always like our fellow sakies

come on

Posted by: REDACTED at February 06, 2021 09:51 PM (zZxh0)

499 It is interesting to me that the director of High Noon did such a good job with it in terms of telling a story and technical mastery but failed utterly to get his intended point across. Its a work of art but nobody got his point. As others have pointed out they all drew kind of the opposite conclusion from it.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2021 09:48 PM (KZzsI)

Or his "point" was a later invention, just like so many post facto things. "See, I was being brave, and only us insiders know!!"

Posted by: Oldcat at February 06, 2021 09:51 PM (eoQWY)

500
Next, you'll be claiming that the county was named for Mecklenburg-Strelitz,
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 06, 2021 09:47 PM (cGzEU)

I'm sure it was because of Mecklinburg's importance in trade, they wanted to draw comparison to Charlotte for that.
Posted by: Oldcat
------

I'm just funnin' with you. I was born and raised there.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 06, 2021 09:51 PM (WD9ZA)

501 Re Bernstein & Panthers:

Radical Chic.

(I just read that last year with "Mau-Mauing The Flak-Catcher" so I'm a bit behind the times.)

Posted by: moviegique at February 06, 2021 09:52 PM (dhFCT)

502 Or his "point" was a later invention, just like so many post facto things. "See, I was being brave, and only us insiders know!!"

I'd think that but no, at the time he made it clear in some interviews. Really pissed off some of the other movie people at the time like John Wayne for him crapping all over his favorite genre with lefty politics.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2021 09:52 PM (KZzsI)

503 yeah, cause we always like our fellow sakies

WTF is a sakie ?

Posted by: JT at February 06, 2021 09:52 PM (arJlL)

504 How the West Was Won is a long movie. Run time was almost 3 hours.
Posted by: Trimegistus at February 06, 2021 09:23 PM (QZxDR)

Saw HTWWW and Gone with The Wind at a drive-in with family. Almost not enough night, GWTW was first and I don't remember much about the other.

Posted by: Russkilitlover at February 06, 2021 09:53 PM (99Nt9)

505 Please don't take it personally. I just don't believe anything anymore other than the Catechism of the Council of Trent.
Posted by: JAS, AoSHQ

ONT is fact-and-reality based.

Posted by: Miklos, former journaliste at February 06, 2021 09:53 PM (QzkSJ)

506 The Duke had a thing for the Latin Ladies

Posted by: REDACTED at February 06, 2021 09:53 PM (zZxh0)

507 Another flick written by a communist where the left-wing themes got smothered, at least IMHO:

Spartacus, written by Dalton Trumbo.

Posted by: qdpsteve at February 06, 2021 09:53 PM (L2ZTs)

508 I had to look up what Charlotte's county was, was not part of my map skills at that point.

One I remember is that St Louis the city is not in St Louis County. It isn't in any county at all.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 06, 2021 09:53 PM (eoQWY)

509 Not a western but Paul Newman and Jackie Gleason in The Hustler taught me how to play pool.

Posted by: dartist at February 06, 2021 09:53 PM (+ya+t)

510 Only Jack Black picture I've ever enjoyed was _School of Rock_. He seems to have a gift for getting mis-cast. Whose brilliant idea was it to put him in King Kong?

Posted by: Trimegistus at February 06, 2021 09:54 PM (QZxDR)

511 Mercedes McCambridge starred in a B- western in 1964 called "Ride Home Slow," which would be pretty forgettable except for the sorta-kinda Morricone-ish sound track, by young

Frank Zappa. Like you've never heard him before.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at February 06, 2021 09:54 PM (zMFmR)

512 487 She also hung around with The Black Panthers.
Posted by: JT at February 06, 2021 09:47 PM (arJlL)

As did, e.g., Leonard Bernstein.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 06, 2021 09:48 PM (YqDXo)

Tom Wolfe wrote about that particular cocktail party that Lennie attended: "Radical Chic: That Party at Lenny's"

Posted by: Xavier Wanze at February 06, 2021 09:54 PM (BgMrQ)

513 Spartacus, written by Dalton Trumbo.

yeah he famously made this big deal out of hiring all these movie people who were blacklisted, being bold and giving them their first jobs forever!

Except by then the blacklist (as much as it ever existed) was long over and all of those guys were getting work already.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2021 09:54 PM (KZzsI)

514 Not a western but Paul Newman and Jackie Gleason in The Hustler taught me how to play pool.
Posted by: dartist

I learned from W. C. Fields.

Posted by: Miklos, who might tolerate another...beverage at February 06, 2021 09:55 PM (QzkSJ)

515 "The Duke had a thing for the Latin Ladies"

Don't we all.

Posted by: lowandslow at February 06, 2021 09:55 PM (qH6FZ)

516 /off Lonesome Dove proprietor sock

Posted by: browndog at February 06, 2021 09:55 PM (BgMrQ)

517 Jackie Gleason was excellent as Sheriff Buford T. Justice

Posted by: JT at February 06, 2021 09:55 PM (arJlL)

518 398 Colorado still thinks that they are "the West."
LOL. 1500 miles from the Pacific.
Posted by: JAS, AoSHQ addict at February 06, 2021 09:30 PM (2BZBZ)
--
I recall the story about Hearst newspapers wanting to get someone into Alaska, after the Great Earthquake of 1964. If you don't know about it, Bing it and look at some of the pictures. Cities were destroyed.
Right after the earthquake, all phone lines went down. So the head of Hearst newspapers, in NYC at the time, called the closest Hearst newspaper, the Seattle Post-Intelligencer. It was the morning paper in a two-paper town, and popular.
The NYC boss shouted into the phone to tell the local editor to get someone to Alaska, cuz major breaking story. The local editor kept trying to be nice, saying that isn't as easy as it sounds.
"Well then!" said the NYC boss, "Grab a taxi and drive up there, NOW! Or you're FIRED!"
Over a thousand miles, and most of it not paved or even graveled very well back then.
Yeah, Seattle was essentially southwest Alaska to them.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at February 06, 2021 09:55 PM (sy5kK)

519 Another flick written by a communist where the left-wing themes got smothered, at least IMHO:

Spartacus, written by Dalton Trumbo.

Oh for gods sakes. How do you get a slave revolt into workers control of factories. Even as slaves, gladiators aren't workers.

You need about 5 levels of deconstruction to go from fighting slavery, the government, and so on to Communism. They were organized as an Army for chrissakes.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 06, 2021 09:56 PM (eoQWY)

520 486 I checked: Eastwood's female lead in Paint Your Wagon was Jean Seberg, who died ten years later in France, while on her third or fourth husband. So I think it's safe to say she got over Clint.
Posted by: Trimegistus at February 06, 2021 09:48 PM (QZxDR)

You need to read a bit more on her story. She started drinking and went into depression afterwards and continued on a downward path. She thought they were in love and he would leave his wife. He thought she was just another piece.

Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at February 06, 2021 09:56 PM (2DOZq)

521 Will Penny
The Tall T
The Big Country
The Professionals

Posted by: MichiCanuck at February 06, 2021 09:57 PM (CfaWL)

522 "The Duke had a thing for the Latin Ladies"

Don't we all.
Posted by: lowandslow

Seriously.

Posted by: Miklos, out in the West Texas town of El Paso at February 06, 2021 09:57 PM (QzkSJ)

523 "Well then!" said the NYC boss, "Grab a taxi and drive up there, NOW! Or you're FIRED!"
Over a thousand miles, and most of it not paved or even graveled very well back then.
Yeah, Seattle was essentially southwest Alaska to them.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at February 06, 2021 09:55 PM (sy5kK)

Should have just taken pictures of a cliff or something in the badlands there and sent them off.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 06, 2021 09:57 PM (eoQWY)

524 "Well then!" said the NYC boss, "Grab a taxi and drive up there, NOW! Or you're FIRED!"
Over a thousand miles, and most of it not paved or even graveled very well back then.
Yeah, Seattle was essentially southwest Alaska to them.

I've told this story before but when I went to college in Grand Rapids, Michigan in 1983, some of the people in my dorm didn't even know Oregon existed as a state. It was California all the way up the west coast. That's much they knew the area.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2021 09:57 PM (KZzsI)

525 he Duke had a thing for the Latin Ladies

Didn't he marry one?

Posted by: Infidel at February 06, 2021 09:57 PM (twGU3)

526 483 It is interesting to me that the director of High Noon did such a good job with it in terms of telling a story and technical mastery but failed utterly to get his intended point across. Its a work of art but nobody got his point. As others have pointed out they all drew kind of the opposite conclusion from it.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

Heh! "The Wire" did the same thing.

Posted by: Puddleglum at February 06, 2021 09:57 PM (kCtdY)

527 What was The Wire supposed to be saying, other than "don't live in this craphole city"?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2021 09:58 PM (KZzsI)

528 Trouble is, Seberg just married a French guy when she made Paint Your Wagon. I don't doubt her affair with Clint, but I doubt he was the cause of her downward path. More likely a symptom.

Posted by: Trimegistus at February 06, 2021 09:58 PM (QZxDR)

529 he Duke had a thing for the Latin Ladies

Didn't he marry one?
Posted by: Infidel

3, I think

Posted by: JT at February 06, 2021 09:58 PM (arJlL)

530 "Well then!" said the NYC boss, "Grab a taxi and drive up there, NOW! Or you're FIRED!"

Over a thousand miles, and most of it not paved or even graveled very well back then.

Yeah, Seattle was essentially southwest Alaska to them.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg

I was told to get my ass to Olympia after the Japan earthquake for the tsunami which was going to destroy it.

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at February 06, 2021 09:59 PM (r1z5A)

531 It is interesting to me that the director of High Noon did such a good job with it in terms of telling a story and technical mastery but failed utterly to get his intended point across. Its a work of art but nobody got his point. As others have pointed out they all drew kind of the opposite conclusion from it.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

Heh! "The Wire" did the same thing.
Posted by: Puddleglum at February 06, 2021 09:57 PM (kCtdY)

That show Family Ties in the 80s had the same thing. The liberal parents were supposed to be the wise and important ones, the conservative/business kid and the shopping/commercial kid the foils. Turns out the show quickly flipped roles, the parents getting sidelined and normalized and the extreme kids generating all the humor. Smart of the producers to run with it rather than fight it.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 06, 2021 10:01 PM (eoQWY)

532 Nood friends and neighbors.

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at February 06, 2021 10:01 PM (r1z5A)

533 525 he Duke had a thing for the Latin Ladies

Didn't he marry one?
Posted by: Infidel at February 06, 2021 09:57 PM (twGU3)

Yes, several

I think it stemmed from the fact he wasn't cast in "Boys Town"

Posted by: REDACTED at February 06, 2021 10:02 PM (zZxh0)

534 I've told this story before but when I went to college in Grand Rapids, Michigan in 1983, some of the people in my dorm didn't even know Oregon existed as a state. It was California all the way up the west coast. That's much they knew the area.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2021 09:57 PM (KZzsI)

Those teachers were HEROs, HEROs I tell you.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 06, 2021 10:02 PM (eoQWY)

535 527 What was The Wire supposed to be saying, other than "don't live in this craphole city"?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

It was suppose to be a commentary on the "War on Drugs". Instead, it was a commentary on the destruction of a city by one party rule.

Posted by: Puddleglum at February 06, 2021 10:02 PM (kCtdY)

536
I was told to get my ass to Olympia after the Japan earthquake for the tsunami which was going to destroy it.
Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at February 06, 2021 09:59 PM (r1z5A)

Which, if your boss had any idea of the local geography, would be laughable. Maybe the coast, or even down the Strait of Juan de Fuca and hammer Whidbey, but Olympia?

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at February 06, 2021 10:02 PM (sy5kK)

537 "460 Hanging Robert Urich was a bad deal and I never forgave the characters for it.

Posted by: G'rump928(c)

I don't know. Hanging out with Man Burners seems like a bad move if you're thinking to avoid the hangin' tree."

I thought he deserved it. Jake did too, as he doesn't feel sorry for himself and accepts his fate.

Posted by: goodluckduck at February 06, 2021 10:04 PM (V8zw+)

538 Is Big Trouble in Little China a Western? Discuss.

Posted by: Trimegistus at February 06, 2021 10:05 PM (QZxDR)

539 The Communists in Hollywood considered themselves to be the righteous, assailed by the nativists whose country they'd emigrated to.

Their comrades immediately setting about to destroy the country they emigrated to, not to put too fine a point on it. But them's the facts.

"It worked, didn't it?"

Posted by: Common Tater at February 06, 2021 10:05 PM (dH5fg)

540 I went into a restaurant on Friday with my team from work, and Tombstone was playing on a tv. I pointed out the big line that was coming up, but I don't think they knew what I meant.

Posted by: Grail Knight at February 06, 2021 10:06 PM (LxTcq)

541 Dirty Bomb by HBO about a Dirty Bomb going off in London is good

12th man the true story about escaping from Nazi Demark

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at February 06, 2021 10:06 PM (dKiJG)

542 Here's the thing, they all knew that Jake wasn't a cutthroat, he was their friend, and nobody was ever going to know about it if they let him go.

Not letting their friend have a break made me dislike the characters for the rest of the series.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 06, 2021 10:08 PM (yQpMk)

543 Their comrades immediately setting about to destroy the country they emigrated to, not to put too fine a point on it. But them's the facts.

"It worked, didn't it?"
Posted by: Common Tater at February 06, 2021 10:05 PM (dH5fg)

No, it was the ones in the unis that did the work.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 06, 2021 10:08 PM (eoQWY)

544 For the distaff side: "Open Range". Annette Bening is outstanding as always, as is Robert Duvall as the old trail boss, and Michael Gambon (who played Edward VII in "The King's Speech") is fine as the evil ranch owner. Kevin Costner is the gunfighter with a dark past, and he and Bening have real chemistry together. And there's one hell of gunfight at the end. The mountain scenery (photographed in Alberta) is stunning. Costner directed, and I thought he did a fine job.

As for musical westerns, don't forget the great "Annie Get Your Gun", one of Irving Berlin's best.

Posted by: Nemo at February 06, 2021 10:09 PM (S6ArX)

545 12th Man was excellent.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at February 06, 2021 10:09 PM (vuisn)

546 I don't know much from Doris Day movies. But she's underrated as a singer.

Her version of Sentimental Journey is THE definitive version of that song. Also Moonlight Bay and plenty of others

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at February 06, 2021 10:09 PM (oAY8z)

547 Which, if your boss had any idea of the local
geography, would be laughable. Maybe the coast, or even down the Strait
of Juan de Fuca and hammer Whidbey, but Olympia?

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg

I did explain that it would need to make two right turns and a minor left...they sent me to Cannon beach instead.

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at February 06, 2021 10:09 PM (r1z5A)

548 I searched the archives for a bit, but I couldn't find a previous discussion of _The Wind Rises_.

I have been watching most of the Miyazaki animations lately, and it might be my favorite one. During rewatching, I am noticing just how many aircraft are in his catalogue. Also saw _Porco Rosso_ for the first time. Miyazaki claimed it is a movie that middle-aged men would like. Well I liked it too at 29. The action is cartoony, but you might expect that from a cartoon.

Posted by: goodluckduck at February 06, 2021 10:09 PM (V8zw+)

549 "546 I don't know much from Doris Day movies. But she's underrated as a singer."

She comes up from time to time on the XM radio 40's Junction channel

Posted by: goodluckduck at February 06, 2021 10:11 PM (V8zw+)

550 Zatoichi Has lots of western elements.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at February 06, 2021 10:11 PM (dKiJG)

551 fail safe book 62, film 64
Posted by: Anachronda, behind the Newsom curtain at February 06, 2021 09:50 PM (5br8a)

Gotcha! Thanks.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at February 06, 2021 10:15 PM (49Dnm)

552 "542 Here's the thing, they all knew that Jake wasn't a cutthroat, he was their friend, and nobody was ever going to know about it if they let him go.

Not letting their friend have a break made me dislike the characters for the rest of the series."

I guess I interpreted the scene where they discover Jake has thrown in with the outlaws, based on the horses tracks, that Jake had finally gone too far and crossed the line.

"One more thing, Jake's horse is one of the tracks."
"I hope you are wrong."
"Me too. But I ain't."

Posted by: goodluckduck at February 06, 2021 10:16 PM (V8zw+)

553 548 I searched the archives for a bit, but I couldn't find a previous discussion of _The Wind Rises_.

I have been watching most of the Miyazaki animations lately, and it might be my favorite one. During rewatching, I am noticing just how many aircraft are in his catalogue. Also saw _Porco Rosso_ for the first time. Miyazaki claimed it is a movie that middle-aged men would like. Well I liked it too at 29. The action is cartoony, but you might expect that from a cartoon.
Posted by: goodluckduck at February 06, 2021 10:09 PM (V8zw+)

Lupin the 3rd is my favorite movie
Tales ofEarthSea Totoro on and on.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at February 06, 2021 10:16 PM (dKiJG)

554 People in Grand Rapids think the West Coast is Saugatuck.

There is a story from The Weavers that they turned down the chance to make the mass-market record of "Do Not Forsake Me" from High Noon, because everyone knew it was a right-wing fascist parable. It didn't get talked around into good Party propaganda until after it was a hit. By then they bitterly resented their decision, but couldn't admit to the ideological pussy footing.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at February 06, 2021 10:16 PM (zMFmR)

555 >>>The fucker goes to Washington and leaves the "state" behind. Fucking shit.

Posted by: JAS, AoSHQ addict at February 06, 2021 09:24 PM

And his life is based on a lie.

You're supposed to hate Ransom Stoddard. He represents the corruption of the urban East tainting the purity of the frontier.

Posted by: Ernst Schreiber at February 06, 2021 10:19 PM (GA8EQ)

556 550-OMG. Zatoichi was good but Yojimbo was better. Did you ever see Zatoichi meets Yojimbo? It was all kinds of awesome. I think all those Japanese samurai movies are like westerns. Love 'em.

Posted by: Dr. Vivi-Not my POTUS, FLOTUS, SCOTUS, FBI... at February 06, 2021 10:19 PM (USW1s)

557 Whoever wrote the song for High Noon must have really hated Frank's run on Daredevil.

Posted by: Trimegistus at February 06, 2021 10:19 PM (QZxDR)

558 So is there a Russian genre of Cossack movies? Tough guys on horseback taming the frontier, then moving on because they have no place in the settled lands?

Posted by: Trimegistus at February 06, 2021 10:21 PM (QZxDR)

559 Taras Bulba?

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at February 06, 2021 10:23 PM (oAY8z)

560 interesting film called Red Sun had Toshiro Mifune and Charles Bronson in an East Meets West kinda deal. It was awesome.

Posted by: Dr. Vivi-Not my POTUS, FLOTUS, SCOTUS, FBI... at February 06, 2021 10:38 PM (USW1s)

561 How did you finish the first paragraph without mentioning Rashomon?

Posted by: BK in TX at February 06, 2021 10:43 PM (fhqAu)

562 Watched In a Lonely Place tonight. 1950 film noir with Humphrey Bogart and Gloria Grahame.

Posted by: Ted Torgerson at February 06, 2021 10:44 PM (/aiGx)

563 558 So is there a Russian genre of Cossack movies? Tough guys on horseback
taming the frontier, then moving on because they have no place in the
settled lands?
dunno about a genre, but i can recommend dursu uzala, tricky bit being that it's a russian film that was done by akira kurosawa.

Posted by: Comrade Anachronda, behind the Newsom curtain at February 06, 2021 11:08 PM (5br8a)

564 561 How did you finish the first paragraph without mentioning Rashomon?

Because the theme wasn't movies that show a narrative from =different= POVs but movies that have a POV that's antipathetic to the viewer.

Posted by: moviegique at February 06, 2021 11:13 PM (dhFCT)

565 Rustlers' Rhapsody !

Posted by: DOCTOR Waldo at February 07, 2021 12:34 AM (N78lJ)

566 "It seemed a few of the late 50s early 60 westerns there was a "gimmick" weapon the hero used. (The Wild, Wild West was on a whole nother level!)"
Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at February 06, 2021 08:49 PM (r1z5A)

Westerns were so ubiquitous in the 1940s through 1960s that lots tried gimmicks to differentiate themselves. Several gunfighters (Wild Bill Elliott, Lee Marvin in "Seven Men From Now" and David White (honestly) in an episode of "Have Gun, Will Travel") wore their handguns reversed in their holsters-I always thought that would slow you down, but on TV or in the movies the guy who did it was always the fastest-well in "Have Gun, Will Travel" Paladin was but that was another story gimmick. Oh, and of course Lash LaRue with a whip.

As for guns, Josh Randall's Mare's Laig was a cut down lever action rifle. In the eponymous TV show, "Johnny Ringo" (Don Durant) carried a LeMat Revolver that had 5 or 6 (I forget) pistol rounds-probably .44s and one shotgun shell with over (pistol) and under (shotgun) barrels. In "Shotgun Slade," Slade (Scott Brady) carried an over/under double barreled shotgun with one designed for close range and the other for longer ranges.

Posted by: Lawdawg at February 07, 2021 12:52 AM (6K2vl)

567 "198 Cannon, a successful Lt. Detective from LA who retired to take unusual cases, was helping out a middle-aged Vera Miles, who was having problems with murders in town, as she was running her little motel.

"A role she reprised in "Farewell, My Lovely," with Robert Mitchum (who was an absolute dead ringer for my paternal uncle).

"Amazing that an actress who broke in as a hottie would agree to play an ageing alcoholic loser. But she did, and she was totally convincing."
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 06, 2021 08:54 PM (YqDXo)

Nope, in Farewell My Lovely the actress was Sylvia Miles, not Vera Miles.

Posted by: Lawdawg at February 07, 2021 12:53 AM (6K2vl)

568 "Will Penny" and "Monte Walsh" (either version, although I like Lee Marvin's better) both show a bit of what it much have been like to be a cowboy-at least as much as you'll likely see in a studio film.

Posted by: Lawdawg at February 07, 2021 01:12 AM (6K2vl)

569 "I kinda like "Angel and the Badman' and it had the immensely playable Gail Russell in the female lead. She had terrible stage fright and coupled with her meeting up with the perennial bad person, Helen Walker, who told her to have a little drink to calm her nerves, she died at 37 of liver failure."

John Wayne remembered her, and so when Randolph Scott asked for Wayne's production company, Batjac, to produce "Seven Men From Now" (1956, the only Ranown film not produced by Scott's production company Ranown) Wayne asked Scott to cast Russell in it. Scott did, and Russell delivered a nice performance-you could see, however, that Russell's alcoholism had left a mark on her.

Posted by: Lawdawg at February 07, 2021 01:17 AM (6K2vl)

570 Randolph Scott's Ranown cycle films, particularly "Seven Men From Now," "The Tall T, "Ride Lonesome" and "Comanche Station" (all written by Burt Kennedy and directed by Budd Boetticher) are all tight, nicely plotted little films running just a bit over an hour with no time wasted.

The backstories and subplots, and all had them, are told naturally as the films progress. Scott's a bit stiff and standoffish, but it works very well in the films. Fine examples of what Hollywood could do once upon a time. Oh, and great supporting casts.

Posted by: Lawdawg at February 07, 2021 01:18 AM (6K2vl)

571 So is there a Russian genre of Cossack movies? Tough guys on horseback taming the frontier, then moving on because they have no place in the settled lands?

Funny you should bring that up.

Go find "The Cowboy and the Cossack" by Clair Huffaker

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 07, 2021 01:26 AM (KZzsI)

572 355 The Searchers is the best movie of any genre of all time.

Seeing the dead Indians obviously breathing in The Searchers was my favorite part.

Posted by: Ironwood at February 07, 2021 03:53 AM (6YMId)

573 How about that famed cavalryman Errol Flynn?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m7RPjQxjmA

They Die with Their Boots On

Posted by: MachiasPrivateer at February 07, 2021 05:22 AM (EMi53)

574 Cowboy Operas?
"La fanciulla del West" by Giacomo Puccini.
See also: "The Girl of the Golden West".
"Horse Opera"?
Grand Old Opree?
Why not? We have Rock Operas and Soap Operas.

Posted by: Bruce at February 07, 2021 06:12 AM (hQni0)

575 I find both "Birth of a Nation" "Triumph of the Will" to be uplifting and inspiring.

Posted by: Chicolini at February 07, 2021 06:50 AM (r0t5/)

576 575 I see a troll looking to try and get the page smeared.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at February 07, 2021 07:32 AM (49Dnm)

577 Welp, I missed this here thread cuz of family stuff.

However, if you want a fun western comedy-

"Cat Ballou" is pretty hard to beat. Nat King Cole and Stubby Kaye act as a banjo playin' Greek Chorus for the story. With Lee Marvin playing against type and Jane Fonda at her cutest before she flushed herself down the hate America toilet. Dwayne Hickman (Dobie Gillis) is wasted except for his opening scene.

Anyway, check it out.

Posted by: naturalfake at February 07, 2021 07:49 AM (dWwl8)

578 "Dwayne Hickman (Dobie Gillis) is wasted except for his opening scene."

Uncle Jed: "Ma'am, I apologize for my disgusting condition and I assure you I will not inflict myself on you any further."

Michael Callen is an amiable lightweight, but-as you say-the rest of the cast is entertaining.

Professor Sam the Shade and the Sunrise Kid (Cole and Kaye) are kind of silly, but they make a useful scene transition device.

Posted by: Lawdawg at February 07, 2021 11:27 AM (6K2vl)

579 Hey Blake is this you?

If so visit us over at Lem's Levity.

You will see a bunch of old friends there.

Posted by: trooper york at February 07, 2021 07:52 PM (Hxd0+)

580 Yo Blake, do as the Trooper asks. It will be good for you. Also, remember, Doris Day made movies with that all-time he-man Rock "Pile" Hudson. No insult I can sling will exceed what she endured doing that work.

Posted by: Xavier Raymundo at February 07, 2021 09:10 PM (/3V9S)

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