Blast from the Past: A Commentator Describes Northern (Liberalish) "Conservatism," in <i>1897</i>

Blast from the Past: A Commentator Describes Northern (Liberalish) "Conservatism," in 1897

Holy mackerel.

You read this description of "Northern conservatism," and its endless capitulation to radical progressivism, and subsequent defense of the victories of radical progressivism as the new status quo to be championed, and you tell me this wasn't written just yesterday.

As opposed to 1897.

He wrote in the late nineteenth century that the women's rights movement would certainly prevail, because its only opponent was Northern Conservatism, which failed to ever conserve anything.

It may be inferred again that the present movement for women's rights will certainly prevail from the history of its only opponent: Northern conservatism.
This is a party which never conserves anything. Its history has been that it demurs to each aggression of the progressive party, and aims to save its credit by a respectable amount of growling, but always acquiesces at last in the innovation.
What was the resisted novelty of yesterday is today one of the accepted principles of conservatism; it is now conservative only in affecting to resist the next innovation, which will tomorrow be forced upon its timidity and will be succeeded by some third revolution; to be denounced and then adopted in its turn.
American conservatism is merely the shadow that follows Radicalism as it moves forward towards perdition. It remains behind it, but never retards it, and always advances near its leader. . . .
Its impotency is not hard, indeed, to explain.
It is worthless because it is the conservatism of expediency only, and not of sturdy principle.
It intends to risk nothing serious for the sake of the truth, and has no idea of being guilty of the folly of martyrdom.
It always when about to enter a protest very blandly informs the wild beast whose path it essays to stop, that its "bark is worse than its bite," and that it only means to save its manners by enacting its decent role of resistance: The only practical purpose which it now serves in American politics is to give enough exercise to Radicalism to keep it "in wind," and to prevent its becoming pursy and lazy, from having nothing to whip.
No doubt, after a few years, when women's suffrage shall have become an accomplished fact, conservatism will tacitly admit it into its creed, and thenceforward plume itself upon its wise firmness in opposing with similar weapons the extreme of baby suffrage; and when that too shall have been won, it will be heard declaring that the integrity of the American Constitution requires at least the refusal of suffrage to asses. There it will assume, with great dignity, its final position.

Dabney was a Confederate Army chaplain so that partly explains his vehemence about Northern conservatism.

And yeah: He thought that slavery was a conservative institution worth conservatively conserving.

Dabney defended the biblical "righteousness" of slavery and opposed public schools.

That said: Man, is this a near-perfect description of today's form of "conservatism," treating the victories the left scored five years ago as the New Tradition to be defended, or what?

Fake Conservatism is not standing athwart history shouting "Stop!" but rather meekly mumbling, "Just wait five years and then we'll join you as passionate brothers-in-arms."

A "conservatism" that is nothing but "What the progressives wanted five years ago" is not any kind of philosophy. It is only a never-ending retreat.

Thanks to RealityStation.

Semi-related: The Incela Corridor boys all fall over themselves to salute their leftwing handlers, so I guess this is related:

Are you fucking insane, you contemptible ghouls... https://t.co/A4Qil0qP0j
— Rita Panahi (@RitaPanahi) February 26, 2021

Posted by: Ace at 06:52 PM

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1 1st?

Posted by: AZ deplorable isolated at February 26, 2021 06:52 PM (gtatv)

2 maybe twice?

Posted by: AZ deplorable isolated at February 26, 2021 06:52 PM (gtatv)

3 Okay, I'll go let the other know.

Posted by: AZ deplorable isolated at February 26, 2021 06:52 PM (gtatv)

4 "We can't replace the Whig party, for the Democrats will win and get their way! We must simply vote for them regardless!"

Posted by: National Review Printing Press at February 26, 2021 06:54 PM (Ojki1)

5 Roomy, and smells good too.

Posted by: SteveOReno, I proudly self-identify as a Moron at February 26, 2021 06:54 PM (2sCft)

6 "No doubt, after a few years, when women's suffrage shall have become an accomplished fact, conservatism will tacitly admit it into its creed, and thenceforward plume itself upon its wise firmness in opposing with similar weapons the extreme of baby suffrage; and when that too shall have been won, it will be heard declaring that the integrity of the American Constitution requires at least the refusal of suffrage to asses. There it will assume, with great dignity, its final position."

Dabney was correct, the asses have suffrage, too bad Biden will never know.

Posted by: AZ deplorable isolated at February 26, 2021 06:57 PM (gtatv)

7 We make men without chests and expect from them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst

CS Lewis

Posted by: Puddleglum at February 26, 2021 06:57 PM (5PSJr)

8 We're on to a new thread after I spent 5 mins. Fighting with Pixy.
Nothing I post ever pleases him lately.

Posted by: redridinghood at February 26, 2021 06:57 PM (NpAcC)

9 Yeah that's a somewhat famous line. The Goldwater Conservatism that came into existence in the 50s is a specific ideology though.

Progressivism, conservative, and liberal were used in a radically different fashion those days. Some Progressives were radically anti-communist.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is Already Dead at February 26, 2021 06:58 PM (Zm+LZ)

10 I'm reading content like a beginner before posting

Posted by: Skip at February 26, 2021 06:58 PM (Cxk7w)

11 Those who make peaceful change impossible make violent revolution inevitable. JFK. Defending slavery and attacking voting sounds about right for a conservative. This is a revolutionary country always fighting the slave holders.

Posted by: raimondo at February 26, 2021 06:59 PM (JuJcP)

12 "The Eternal Yankee"

Posted by: Dr. DJ3Way at February 26, 2021 07:00 PM (bhPL1)

13 The KKK of the early 20th century was a progressive but not liberal organization.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is Already Dead at February 26, 2021 07:00 PM (Zm+LZ)

14 Now it will be trannies

Posted by: Skip at February 26, 2021 07:00 PM (Cxk7w)

15 Now it starts - get why some of us will not vote for another NorthEast Republican again ? This shit still goes on. Its a cultural difference.

Where did the Bush clan come from ? Where was Romney governor of ? Let's go back more - Rockefellers ? Did I spell that right ? If not, I'm sure one of my personal editors will come along to comment. If not, my personal censor will erase it.

But my point stands - Northern "Conservatism" is nothing new. It's just Northern Statism. And the notion that the State, as is, must prevail. That's all it is.

Posted by: Roll Me Away at February 26, 2021 07:01 PM (chkoV)

16 Where did The Bull Moose Party stand on the issues?

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at February 26, 2021 07:01 PM (X7kN9)

17 A couple things need to get done pdq. First we need to establish a Constitution Party. Second the Ashli Babbitt Society is way past due.

Posted by: Eromero at February 26, 2021 07:01 PM (gjvwR)

18 I like where he calls Northern Conservatives "3/5's of true conservatives".

Posted by: Dr Spank - Cocks and Logic at February 26, 2021 07:01 PM (qjogl)

19 Everything old is new again.

Posted by: Grammie Winger's iPad at February 26, 2021 07:01 PM (45fpk)

20 *a little lost on biblical righteousness of slavery..and before anyone starts quoting the Torah, be advised that a lot got lost in translation and "slavery" was contactual servitude with payment and expiration date in many cases. That was The Tribes. Romans and Greeks and other heathens - whole 'nother story.

Posted by: runner at February 26, 2021 07:01 PM (zr5Kq)

21 How prescient this was.

Posted by: CaliGirl at February 26, 2021 07:02 PM (A57L2)

22 don't start the Revolution without me , raimondo !

Posted by: runner at February 26, 2021 07:02 PM (zr5Kq)

23 A "conservatism" that is nothing but "What the progressives wanted five years ago" is not any kind of philosophy. It is only a never-ending retreat. - ace

Its not conservatism. Its progressivism for Cowardly wannabes. They don't have the balls to stand up and say "I support the progressive agenda and I will work hard to enact it". Instead they use subterfuge and outright lies to enact the progressive agenda and then bleat about hands tied no majority, need the house, senate and president to get those conservative items passed. They are liars, cowards, and thieves.

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at February 26, 2021 07:03 PM (Vxu+H)

24 The Conservative Movement only has one gear; reverse.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at February 26, 2021 07:03 PM (03n3v)

25 We're on to a new thread after I spent 5 mins. Fighting with Pixy.
Nothing I post ever pleases him lately.
Posted by: redridinghood at February 26, 2021 06:57 PM (NpAcC)

I'll admit, sometimes it seems pretty random. Just one word moved to another line...

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at February 26, 2021 07:03 PM (46GDR)

26 I've read a couple of history books lately (The Forgotten Man by Amity Shlaes, and The Glory and the Dream, by William Manchester, covering FDR through Nixon). In both books, it struck me that we're fighting the same battles now. Same sh!t, different century. The more things change . . .

Posted by: tsj017 at February 26, 2021 07:04 PM (7QGt5)

27 Shrink the federal government to pre-1932 levels.

A man can dream.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 26, 2021 07:04 PM (R/m4+)

28 That's why you have to be grounded in the Word of God. It is truth unfailing.

Posted by: Grammie Winger's iPad at February 26, 2021 07:04 PM (45fpk)

29 It's being reported that the Biden administration will start charging reporters $170 for a Covid test every time they come to the White House.

Posted by: redridinghood at February 26, 2021 07:04 PM (NpAcC)

30 Is RealityStation related to Reality Winner?

Posted by: Dr Spank - Cocks and Logic at February 26, 2021 07:05 PM (qjogl)

31 Dabney was blowing smoke. The states in the Old South were the slowest to allow women to vote.

Good description of modern day fake conservatives, though.

Posted by: Elmer Stoup at February 26, 2021 07:05 PM (HCKlY)

32 History always repeats itself......

Posted by: Jak Sucio at February 26, 2021 07:05 PM (jvt6t)

33 29 It's being reported that the Biden administration will start charging reporters $170 for a Covid test every time they come to the White House

Cash for Clunkers.

Posted by: Grammie Winger's iPad at February 26, 2021 07:06 PM (45fpk)

34 Wow, that is creepy.

Dennis Prager has been saying for some time now that, ironically, if the USA is to survive and be saved -- this time it will with the South that does it. Also, if Europe is to survive and be saved, it will be Eastern Europe that does it.

Don't know about Europe, but our only hope is the South seceding again (and I'm a "Yankee" -- well, Western USA denizen, but my sister's wife in Texas called us Yankees).

Posted by: ShainS at February 26, 2021 07:06 PM (c3dw6)

35 Posted by: raimondo at February 26, 2021 06:59 PM (JuJcP)

Go drink a bottle of infected pus with a bleach chaser, cockroach.

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at February 26, 2021 07:06 PM (Vxu+H)

36 14 Now it will be trannies

Posted by: Skip at February 26, 2021 07:00 PM (Cxk7w)

And something after that. Rinse, repeat. Progressives must always progress, not remain static or retreat. In 75 years they will have "progressed" in a circle and be demanding freedom of speech, religion, and assembly.

Posted by: Gref at February 26, 2021 07:06 PM (AMIL/)

37 Somebody in the 19th century once observed that Californians had this peculiar habit of saddling up their horse, even if just to ride across the street.

Posted by: Common Tater at February 26, 2021 07:06 PM (YtsCi)

38 Top 40!

Posted by: callsign claymore at February 26, 2021 07:06 PM (l+QuE)

39 You may not notice but that editorial rhymes.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 26, 2021 07:07 PM (2DOZq)

40 Teddy and the Bull Moose party were the original Progressives, but that was in a time that "progress" consisted of clean drinking water, sewage systems, education, etc.

Posted by: navybrat, feeling good at February 26, 2021 07:07 PM (w7KSn)

41 Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 26, 2021 07:04 PM (R/m4+

Pre 1911 levels. FIFY

Posted by: Jak Sucio at February 26, 2021 07:07 PM (jvt6t)

42 This day is full of multiple examples of the Baseball Cuck being a world class shitheel.

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at February 26, 2021 07:08 PM (y7DUB)

43 2 more years left in the big pedophilia push.

Posted by: Ben Had at February 26, 2021 07:08 PM (ScWrx)

44 But Trump said "pursy".

Posted by: andycanuck at February 26, 2021 07:08 PM (d6he9)

45 Don't know about Europe, but our only hope is the South seceding again (and I'm a "Yankee" -- well, Western USA denizen, but my sister's wife in Texas called us Yankees).
Posted by: ShainS at February 26, 2021 07:06 PM (c3dw6)

That's ok. Where I am, I was once in conversation with a local who referred to people from Shreveport as "Yankees".

Posted by: Vanya, Hallucination at February 26, 2021 07:08 PM (gAFsE)

46 Posted by: ShainS at February 26, 2021 07:06 PM (c3dw6)

I'd buy into Eastern Europe, certainly. Even thought if I had to bail on the USA, that Poland or Hungary seem to have more in common with the values of the USA than the USA does. Strong borders, strong morals, strong character.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at February 26, 2021 07:09 PM (46GDR)

47 Where did The Bull Moose Party stand on the issues?
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby

I'm leaning more to the Triumph the Insult Dog Party.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 26, 2021 07:09 PM (VVEnO)

48 37 Somebody in the 19th century once observed that Californians had this peculiar habit of saddling up their horse, even if just to ride across the street.

Posted by: Common Tater at February 26, 2021 07:06 PM (YtsCi)

Oh, come on! Next you'll tell us people will get in the car and drive 25 yards to their mailbox!

Posted by: Gref at February 26, 2021 07:09 PM (AMIL/)

49 That is almost as good a joke as this

"What is the biggest joke in the universe?"

MSM

Posted by: Corner Stone at February 26, 2021 07:09 PM (f9ze2)

50 40 Teddy and the Bull Moose party were the original Progressives, but that was in a time that "progress" consisted of clean drinking water, sewage systems, education, etc.
Posted by: navybrat, feeling good at February 26, 2021 07:07 PM (w7KSn)

Progressivism was basically Science!, Trust the experts, and whig history. Some of that has carried through to the present day but usually it just means an extremist.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is Already Dead at February 26, 2021 07:09 PM (Zm+LZ)

51 see the update if you want to get really, really angry

Posted by: ace at February 26, 2021 07:09 PM (5+1A/)

52 Go drink a bottle of infected pus with a bleach chaser, cockroach.
Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at February 26, 2021 07:06 PM (Vxu+H)

Newsletter?

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at February 26, 2021 07:10 PM (46GDR)

53 Someone posted a restored motion picture from Manhattan in 1911. It had overdubbed sound, obviously like Foley, but it was otherwise fascinating.
The biggest problem was getting rid of horse manure and of course, dead horses.

Posted by: navybrat, feeling good at February 26, 2021 07:10 PM (w7KSn)

54 Lots of actual conservatives from the Northeast fleeing to red states. I'm one of them. And don't lump me in with those California pricks.

Posted by: Blind Roscoe McGee at February 26, 2021 07:10 PM (hABRf)

55 43 2 more years left in the big pedophilia push.
Posted by: Ben Had at February 26, 2021

That's coming, I can hear it now. Who are we to judge?

Posted by: CaliGirl at February 26, 2021 07:10 PM (A57L2)

56 And no mean tweets!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 26, 2021 07:10 PM (63Dwl)

57 He makes some good political points-not about supporting slavery, however. I still prefer the minister from MO who was opposed to slavery who was a chaplain in the Civil War-E.M Bounds, He wrote a lot of books on prayer:

https://tinyurl.com/3amxnet9

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 26, 2021 07:11 PM (VP4Cd)

58 next you'll be telling me some one will use their phone to call a person in the same house as them.

Posted by: Ben Had at February 26, 2021 07:11 PM (ScWrx)

59 2 more years left in the big pedophilia push.
Posted by: Ben Had at February 26, 2021

That's coming, I can hear it now. Who are we to judge?
Posted by: CaliGirl at February 26, 2021 07:10 PM (A57L2)

Come on, it's already here. Why do you think they're pushing the child tranny thing? Because they believe in gender dysphoria?

Posted by: Vanya, Hallucination at February 26, 2021 07:12 PM (gAFsE)

60 the shadow that follows Radicalism as it moves forward towards perdition.

Pretty much covers it.

Posted by: Jak Sucio at February 26, 2021 07:12 PM (jvt6t)

61 >>>As opposed to 1897.

Think you meant as opposed to 1987?

Posted by: 4 at February 26, 2021 07:13 PM (KnJdm)

62 Someone posted a restored motion picture from Manhattan in 1911. It had overdubbed sound, obviously like Foley, but it was otherwise fascinating.The biggest problem was getting rid of horse manure and of course, dead horses.
Posted by: navybrat, feeling good

The hit song of 1911 was I've Been Through Central Park On a Horse With No Name.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 26, 2021 07:13 PM (VVEnO)

63 Well, I'm against public schools as well, but probably not for the same reason. And anyone who is against slavery should be purchasing firearms and learning how to deploy them to good effect. We are now slaves to the asshats of society, whether we like it or not.

I will not trust them in a box,
I will not trust them with a fox,
I will not trust them because I care,
I will not trust them anywhere.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at February 26, 2021 07:13 PM (okGHj)

64 Everyone, sorry it's a thread late but I found this old pic of Dr Fauci from the 1970s I thought you'd all enjoy...

https://tinyurl.com/akwfbku8

Posted by: qdpsteve at February 26, 2021 07:14 PM (L2ZTs)

65 Oh, come on! Next you'll tell us people will get in the car and drive 25 yards to their mailbox!
Posted by: Gref at February 26, 2021 07:09 PM (AMIL/)

Yup...an old liberal fart, a retired federal moocher, who lives up the holler from me, drives his toyota down his driveway, gets his mail, then drive the 40 or so yards back to his hovel.

He can't wait for that sweet federal moocher money to hit his mailbox.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 26, 2021 07:14 PM (R/m4+)

66 Because they believe in gender dysphoria?
Posted by: Vanya, Hallucination at February 26, 2021 07:12 PM (gAFsE)

No, because they like a tight fit.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at February 26, 2021 07:14 PM (okGHj)

67 Here's the deal - and this is just true. It's why so many scream when I post it. It's still true.

You are not going to get a government that tilts more toward individual liberty from anywhere that people live on top of each other in buildings full of rooms they don't own, or so close to each other that they can shake hands through the windows, or such that they've got all their money wrapped up in a lot so small that their neighbor can fuck it all up with one bad oil change.

People that live that way - vote a certain way. They LIVE a certain way. And they choose to stay. That tells you all you need to know. Not all there is to know. Just all you need to know.

Posted by: Roll Me Away at February 26, 2021 07:14 PM (chkoV)

68
Previous topic:

I well recall watching the A&E series "John Adams" where, in the first episode, the tarring and feathering of a tax collector for the British Crown was shown, and I ask myself, "Why ever did we let such a good teaching aid disappear from our toolkit of lesson imparting methods?"

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at February 26, 2021 07:14 PM (pNxlR)

69 Did I spell that right ? If not, I'm sure one of my personal editors will come along to comment.

If I'm your personal editor I'm underpaid

and I rarely comment on typos because I make so many myself, but you like the attention or you wouldn't mention it.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 26, 2021 07:14 PM (VP4Cd)

70 see the update if you want to get really, really angry
Posted by: ace at February 26, 2021 07:09 PM (5+1A/)

Not really surprised TBH. There's been this undercurrent of "We'd have everything worked out by now but THESE HUMANS keep getting in our way" among the Best and the Brightest for a long time now.

Posted by: Vanya, Hallucination at February 26, 2021 07:14 PM (gAFsE)

71 No, because they like a tight fit.
Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at February 26, 2021 07:14 PM (okGHj)

I know. The question was rhetorical.

Posted by: Vanya, Hallucination at February 26, 2021 07:15 PM (gAFsE)

72 The hit song of 1911 was I've Been Through Central Park On a Horse With No Name.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 26, 2021 07:13 PM (VVEnO)

*flicks bic*

Posted by: Jak Sucio at February 26, 2021 07:15 PM (jvt6t)

73 I'm leaning more to the Triumph the Insult Dog Party.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 26, 2021 07:09 PM (VVEnO)

We need a representative for us . . . to poop on.

Posted by: 4 at February 26, 2021 07:15 PM (KnJdm)

74 Posted by: Ben Had at February 26, 2021 07:11 PM (ScWrx)

Actually, I have done that with my son because his alarm goes off for 20 minutes (How anyone could sleep through that I don't know) and I don't feel like going upstairs to wake him up.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 26, 2021 07:16 PM (VP4Cd)

75 As a student of political philosophy I think the timeline goes something like

The Jacobins
The Fabian Socialist movement
The Rosseau Revolutionaries
The Bolsheviks.
The Soviets
The American Progressives
The American Oligarchy

Posted by: navybrat, feeling good at February 26, 2021 07:17 PM (w7KSn)

76 next you'll be telling me some one will use their phone to call a person in the same house as them.
Posted by: Ben Had at February 26, 2021 07:11 PM (ScWrx)

After I've gone to bed, my wife will text me if she needs something before I get to sleep.

Posted by: That Guy What Always Says Yeah Buddy TM at February 26, 2021 07:17 PM (R5lpX)

77 I will not trust them anywhere.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at February 26, 2021 07:13 PM (okGHj)

I do not trust them with a goat. I do not trust them with a goat.

Posted by: 4 at February 26, 2021 07:17 PM (KnJdm)

78 Romans and Greeks and other heathens - whole 'nother story.
Posted by: runner at February 26, 2021 07:01 PM (zr5Kq)

And don't even look at the Native Americans or Africans. Or the current crop of Muzzies, since about 650 AD.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at February 26, 2021 07:17 PM (okGHj)

79
Here's another blast from the past.
First, do you know who "Jeff Christie" is? Yes, you do.

Who wants to hear Rush Limbaugh as a disc jockey in 1972 at a radio station in Pittsburgh. He was still the same ol' Rush, even back then:

https://youtu.be/K126aKRRtX0?t=1114

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at February 26, 2021 07:17 PM (8XBHQ)

80 29 It's being reported that the Biden administration will start charging reporters $170 for a Covid test every time they come to the White House.
Posted by: redridinghood at February 26, 2021 07:04 PM (NpAcC)

I want this to be true.

Posted by: Bete at February 26, 2021 07:18 PM (Ojki1)

81 Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at February 26, 2021 07:13 PM (okGHj)

On Average, 15K per year, per student, to teach them the wrong stuff.

But hey, at least some of them get a free lunch I guess.

/spit

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 26, 2021 07:18 PM (oHd/0)

82 Two Wings of the Uni-party even then.

It's just a Good Cop Bad Cop routine.........

Posted by: Corner Stone at February 26, 2021 07:18 PM (f9ze2)

83 80 29 It's being reported that the Biden administration will start charging reporters $170 for a Covid test every time they come to the White House.
Posted by: redridinghood at February 26, 2021 07:04 PM (NpAcC)

I want this to be true.
Posted by: Bete at February 26, 2021 07:18 PM (Ojki1)

Easier to hide Biden away if the Reporters are not there in the first place... for... reasons...

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 26, 2021 07:19 PM (oHd/0)

84 That 1911 NYC video.

https://youtu.be/hZ1OgQL9_Cw

Posted by: 4 at February 26, 2021 07:19 PM (KnJdm)

85 Bondage to Bondage. Not the kinky kind

Posted by: Ben Had at February 26, 2021 07:19 PM (ScWrx)

86 Hmmmm, a Confederate Army Chaplain, you say?

Still smarting after 32 years from defeat in the War of the Rebellion/Southern Succession?

I wonder if Dabney was writing this article thinking specifically about ONE particular person who participated in The War of Northern Aggression, fighting on the victorious side.

Posted by: Sharkman at February 26, 2021 07:19 PM (QC3fr)

87
For those of you in Rio Linda, and for those who skip my 'ments, the "Jeff Christie" mentioned above was the radio alias used by Rush Limbaugh in his early twenties.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at February 26, 2021 07:19 PM (8XBHQ)

88 It's being reported that the Biden administration will start charging
reporters $170 for a Covid test every time they come to the White House.

Posted by: redridinghood at February 26, 2021 07:04 PM (NpAcC)

I want this to be true.

Posted by: Bete at February 26, 2021 07:18 PM (Ojki1)

An-al swabs! An-al swabs! An-al swabs!

Posted by: 4 at February 26, 2021 07:19 PM (KnJdm)

89 Atung! Attention. Insurrectionists biden did not win by 7,000,000 votes he won by 44,000 votes in 3 states wi, 20,000 ga. 13,000 votes and az by 11,000 votes if democrats hadn't used laws put in by republican legislatures to keep libertarian party off the ballot to prevent green party from ballot trump would have won and the country would have had a real insurrection with a national general strike and the media demanding protests. With the military and the deep state planning resistance.

Posted by: raimondo at February 26, 2021 07:19 PM (JuJcP)

90 43 2 more years left in the big pedophilia push.
Posted by: Ben Had at February 26, 2021 07:08 PM (ScWrx)
---------
All it will take is a repeal age of consent laws.

Posted by: zmdavid at February 26, 2021 07:20 PM (xqRaG)

91 I want this to be true.
Posted by: Bete at February 26, 2021 07:18 PM (Ojki1)

There is a side of me that would like them to get an anal swab too. However, it's really to cut down on questions; It has nothing to do with Covid.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 26, 2021 07:20 PM (VP4Cd)

92 67
You are not going to get a government that tilts more toward individual liberty from anywhere that people live on top of each other in buildings full of rooms they don't own, or so close to each other that they can shake hands through the windows, or such that they've got all their money wrapped up in a lot so small that their neighbor can fuck it all up with one bad oil change.

People that live that way - vote a certain way. They LIVE a certain way. And they choose to stay. That tells you all you need to know. Not all there is to know. Just all you need to know.
Posted by: Roll Me Away at February 26, 2021 07:14 PM (chkoV)

Addressed in Montesquieu's Spirit of the Laws (though the choice aspect isn't really relevant, the environment affects people regardless of choice in the matter). The general form of a Republic was only ever sustainable with a large population of small landholders because that creates a certain type of person and gives them as a bloc sufficient power. The industrial changes in the late 19th lead directly and predictably into Wilson's and FDR's administrations.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is Already Dead at February 26, 2021 07:20 PM (Zm+LZ)

93 With the CCP Anal probe hopefully.....

RE: "80 29 It's being reported that the Biden administration will start charging reporters $170 for a Covid test every time they come to the White House.
Posted by: redridinghood at February 26, 2021 07:04 PM (NpAcC)

I want this to be true."

Posted by: Corner Stone at February 26, 2021 07:21 PM (f9ze2)

94 That WEF propaganda clip is rather disturbing.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at February 26, 2021 07:21 PM (W4eKo)

95 American conservatism is merely the shadow that follows Radicalism as it moves forward towards perdition.

As euphemistically written by a Mexican:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-vo-w-D4W4

Posted by: Braenyard, Patriot dog, starving the beast at February 26, 2021 07:21 PM (eF1II)

96 But hey, at least some of them get a free lunch I guess.

/spit
Posted by: Romeo13 at February 26, 2021 07:18 PM (oHd/0)

I get regular updates from ASD about where to pick up my free lunches for the boy. No school, or even in summer, but they are pushing those free, free lunches.

Which we paid for in taxes, but their FREE!! tm

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at February 26, 2021 07:21 PM (okGHj)

97

Ta-Nehisi Coates will write a new Superman film for DC Films and Warner Bros.

The project is in very early development, but the new film is being produced by J.J. Abrams' Bad Robot.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 26, 2021 07:22 PM (63Dwl)

98 Posted by: raimondo at February 26, 2021 07:19 PM (JuJcP)
I repeat...

Go drink a bottle of infected pus with a bleach chaser, cockroach.
Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at February 26, 2021 07:06 PM (Vxu+H)

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at February 26, 2021 07:22 PM (Vxu+H)

99 raimondo ! don't start the insurrection without me !

Posted by: runner at February 26, 2021 07:22 PM (zr5Kq)

100 Heh.

http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=392540

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at February 26, 2021 07:22 PM (1eoWp)

101 There is a side of me that would like them to get an anal swab too. However, it's really to cut down on questions; It has nothing to do with Covid.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 26, 2021 07:20 PM (VP4Cd)

They all talk out of their asses anyway, might as well test 'em there.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at February 26, 2021 07:22 PM (okGHj)

102 Congratulations, raimondo... You're an illiterate in two languages now, you fuckin' dumbshit.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at February 26, 2021 07:22 PM (sCTt7)

103 88 Posted by: Bete at February 26, 2021 07:18 PM (Ojki1)

I apologize in advance but every time I see this name in comments I immediately think of Beto and become enraged. I just had to share.

Posted by: Blind Roscoe McGee at February 26, 2021 07:22 PM (hABRf)

104
btw, where's the terrorist-funding org "cair" and "unicef" and the fcking "pope" on the Uguirs in china??

Where are the muslim orgs on china's current atrocities?

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at February 26, 2021 07:23 PM (8XBHQ)

105 Rita ever going to stop by and say Hi?

Posted by: Skip at February 26, 2021 07:23 PM (Cxk7w)

106 He's right about public schools. Eliminating them should be the number one priority of conservatives.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at February 26, 2021 07:23 PM (sWM8x)

107 Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 26, 2021 07:22 PM (63Dwl)

(opens vein)

Posted by: Jak Sucio at February 26, 2021 07:23 PM (jvt6t)

108 Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at February 26, 2021 07:22 PM (okGHj)

LOL.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 26, 2021 07:23 PM (VP4Cd)

109 Yud LoL

Posted by: Skip at February 26, 2021 07:24 PM (Cxk7w)

110 70 see the update if you want to get really, really angry
Posted by: ace at February 26, 2021 07:09 PM (5+1A/)

Not really surprised TBH. There's been this undercurrent of "We'd have everything worked out by now but THESE HUMANS keep getting in our way" among the Best and the Brightest for a long time now.

Posted by: Vanya, Hallucination at February 26, 2021 07:14 PM (gAFsE)

Yup, those folks apparently believe that if the genus Homo hadn't evolved out of the family Hominidae several million years ago, the climate and geography and sea level and every other natural thing would have remained exactly the same from then to now. Insanity.

Posted by: Gref at February 26, 2021 07:24 PM (AMIL/)

111 You can say this is just a gradual progression that has been going on for over a hundred years, but Obama got elected in 2008 affirming that marriage should be only between a man and a woman. Just 12 years later the Senate is going to confirm an assistant secretary of HHS who is a dude wearing a dress and a wig and who believes in cutting off children's genitals without their parents consent. So, not sure that "gradual moving shadow of conservatism" is keeping up with progressivism.

Posted by: tommylotto at February 26, 2021 07:24 PM (AD5ZC)

112 An old and possibly slightly wrong but still good one:

In the South, a Yankee is everybody from the north.

In the North, a Yankee is someone from New England.

In New England, a Yankee is someone from small parts of rural Maine or northern Vermont.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 26, 2021 07:24 PM (OTzUX)

113 Heh.

http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=392540

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor Social Distancing Professional at February 26, 2021 07:22 PM (1eoWp)

Shh. We are pretending that we did not already see this.

Posted by: 4 at February 26, 2021 07:24 PM (KnJdm)

114 Like I keep saying...it's Jill that wants this. Joe couldn't care less...nor does he even know why people are interviewing him.

@BonillaJL

lots to unpack in this 1-minute clip from
@UniNoticias:
1. Biden suggests he's merely reopening Trump's detention center
2. Co-president Jill Biden's cut-in

https://tinyurl.com/ycr5b5bd

Posted by: Tami at February 26, 2021 07:25 PM (cF8AT)

115 You are not going to get a government that tilts more toward individual liberty from anywhere that people live on top of each other in buildings full of rooms they don't own, or so close to each other that they can shake hands through the windows, or such that they've got all their money wrapped up in a lot so small that their neighbor can fuck it all up with one bad oil change.

People that live that way - vote a certain way. They LIVE a certain way. And they choose to stay. That tells you all you need to know. Not all there is to know. Just all you need to know.
Posted by: Roll Me Away at February 26, 2021 07:14 PM (chkoV)

Ive never thought about it this way, but boy does that make sense!

Posted by: LASue, aka Les White at February 26, 2021 07:25 PM (Ed8Zd)

116 Where are the muslim orgs on china's current atrocities?
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at February 26, 2021 07:23 PM (8XBHQ)

Come on-- You know the answer, which is, China would look at them side eye and say "You want some of this too, asshoe?"

Posted by: Vanya, Hallucination at February 26, 2021 07:25 PM (gAFsE)

117 LOL on the update.

Sooo, what they are saying is that locking people away from public, makes cities better?

So the problem with cities, is the people?

I'll agree with that.

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 26, 2021 07:25 PM (oHd/0)

118 you guys are just not giving raimondo enough credit. months ago raimondo was advsing recalling CA's nutjob corporate shill and French Laundry aficionado governor Newsom.. lo and behold ...it is happening.

Posted by: runner at February 26, 2021 07:26 PM (zr5Kq)

119 67 Here's the deal - and this is just true. It's why so many scream when I post it. It's still true.

You are not going to get a government that tilts more toward individual liberty from anywhere that people live on top of each other in buildings full of rooms they don't own, or so close to each other that they can shake hands through the windows, or such that they've got all their money wrapped up in a lot so small that their neighbor can fuck it all up with one bad oil change.

People that live that way - vote a certain way. They LIVE a certain way. And they choose to stay. That tells you all you need to know. Not all there is to know. Just all you need to know.
Posted by: Roll Me Away at February 26, 2021 07:14 PM (chkoV)

A more succinct and accurate description of the reasons why I left the Midwest may never be written.

Posted by: CppThis at February 26, 2021 07:26 PM (zcf1k)

120 https://youtu.be/K126aKRRtX0?t=1114

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales

That is excellent. Thanks for posting.

Posted by: Sharkman at February 26, 2021 07:26 PM (QC3fr)

121 111 You can say this is just a gradual progression that has been going on for over a hundred years, but Obama got elected in 2008 affirming that marriage should be only between a man and a woman. Just 12 years later the Senate is going to confirm an assistant secretary of HHS who is a dude wearing a dress and a wig and who believes in cutting off children's genitals without their parents consent. So, not sure that "gradual moving shadow of conservatism" is keeping up with progressivism.
Posted by: tommylotto at February 26, 2021 07:24 PM (AD5ZC)

We're in the stage where things are rapidly accelerating. It should present opportunities to individuals of a certain stripe, what that means for the rest of us remains to be seen.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is Already Dead at February 26, 2021 07:27 PM (Zm+LZ)

122 116 Where are the muslim orgs on china's current atrocities?
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at February 26, 2021 07:23 PM (8XBHQ)

Come on-- You know the answer, which is, China would look at them side eye and say "You want some of this too, asshoe?"
Posted by: Vanya, Hallucination at February 26, 2021 07:25 PM (gAFsE)

Uh, you do realize that Moslems are busy killing other Moslems all over the Mid East.

Uighers? What tribe are they? the House of Saud says.

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 26, 2021 07:27 PM (oHd/0)

123 115 You are not going to get a government that tilts more toward individual liberty from anywhere that people live on top of each other in buildings full of rooms they don't own, or so close to each other that they can shake hands through the windows, or such that they've got all their money wrapped up in a lot so small that their neighbor can fuck it all up with one bad oil change.

People that live that way - vote a certain way. They LIVE a certain way. And they choose to stay. That tells you all you need to know. Not all there is to know. Just all you need to know.
Posted by: Roll Me Away

Holy cow. So true - and, for me at least, a new way to think about it even though I intuitively knew it.

Posted by: Tonypete at February 26, 2021 07:27 PM (Rvt88)

124 Just......one.......more......little.....puuuush.

And away we go.

Posted by: Jak Sucio at February 26, 2021 07:28 PM (jvt6t)

125 Posted by: Tonypete at February 26, 2021 07:27 PM (Rvt8

Known this for years.... me Pappy used to say 'the problems with cities, is city folk'.

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 26, 2021 07:29 PM (oHd/0)

126 "You are not going to get a government that tilts more toward individual liberty from anywhere that people live on top of each other..."

Thomas Jefferson has a famous quote very much like that from his time.
I just finished a biography of TJ by J. Meacham.

Posted by: navybrat, feeling good at February 26, 2021 07:30 PM (w7KSn)

127 Just 12 years later the Senate is going to confirm an assistant secretary of HHS who is a dude wearing a dress and a wig and who believes in cutting off children's genitals without their parents consent. So, not sure that "gradual moving shadow of conservatism" is keeping up with progressivism.
Posted by: tommylotto at February 26, 2021 07:24 PM (AD5ZC)

That dude.....sums up all you need to know about our government and those who work for it.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 26, 2021 07:31 PM (R/m4+)

128 American conservatism is merely the shadow that follows Radicalism as it moves forward

That is a keeper.

Posted by: t-bird at February 26, 2021 07:31 PM (4EIFd)

129 Known this for years.... me Pappy used to say 'the problems with cities, is city folk'.
Posted by: Romeo13

My mother was a saint. Never said anything bad about anyone. And yet, when someone was acting a damn fool and making absolutely crap choices, she'd say 'Ugh. City kids.'

I should have known - she was trying to tell me.

Posted by: Tonypete at February 26, 2021 07:31 PM (Rvt88)

130 I have two whole chickens and I'm thinking now would be a good time to roast them and drive the surrounding neighbors' nine dogs fucking crazy.

Mmm. Juicy.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at February 26, 2021 07:31 PM (03n3v)

131 An old and possibly slightly wrong but still good one:

In the South, a Yankee is everybody from the north.

In the North, a Yankee is someone from New England.

In New England, a Yankee is someone from small parts of rural Maine or northern Vermont.
Posted by: rhomboid at February 26, 2021 07:24 PM (OTzUX)
_________________
If you are from Milan, anyone south of Florence is a southerner.
If you are from Florence, anyone south of Rome is a southerner.
If you are from Rome, anyone south of Naples is a southerner.
If you are from Naples, Sicilians are southerners.

Posted by: tommylotto at February 26, 2021 07:32 PM (AD5ZC)

132 127 Just 12 years later the Senate is going to confirm an assistant secretary of HHS who is a dude wearing a dress and a wig and who believes in cutting off children's genitals without their parents consent. So, not sure that "gradual moving shadow of conservatism" is keeping up with progressivism.
Posted by: tommylotto at February 26, 2021 07:24 PM (AD5ZC)

That dude.....sums up all you need to know about our government and those who work for it.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 26, 2021 07:31 PM (R/m4+)

Is there a good reason why some true man who is a father to a confused child hasn't taken this guy out in the alley and beat the crap out of him?

I don't think some people should be allowed anywhere near kids, ever.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at February 26, 2021 07:33 PM (okGHj)

133 Gina Carano should thank her lucky stars for being out of Disney and perhaps Hollywood; she should thank them for making it impossible for her to stay and then having to sink to the point where she would be forced by the Hollywood LGBTQ Inquisition to debase herself much like Mike Douglas and Matt Damon did in Behind The Candelabra, just to prove that they are not homophobic.

Posted by: runner at February 26, 2021 07:33 PM (zr5Kq)

134 I have two whole chickens and I'm thinking now would be a good time to roast them and drive the surrounding neighbors' nine dogs fucking crazy.

Mmm. Juicy.
Posted by: Dr. Bone

Be careful. Remember what happened in 'A Christmas Story' with the Bumpus dogs.

Posted by: Tonypete at February 26, 2021 07:33 PM (Rvt88)

135 Is it ever possible, now and forever, amen, to have a FUCKING INTELLIGENT conversation about slavery? Just ONE? It was a UNIVERSAL CONDITION OF EXISTENCE until the industrial revolution. Why? Because machines made people's lives easier; slaves and servants were no longer necessary. To claim that slavery was an invention of the American colonies is stupidity beyond belief.

Posted by: Caliban at February 26, 2021 07:34 PM (HgGBT)

136 Have they voted on the freaking fuck yet?

Posted by: Ben Had at February 26, 2021 07:34 PM (ScWrx)

137 Nood

Posted by: Lysenkos Bagged Lettuce, 100% abortion free and only tested for safety using abortions at February 26, 2021 07:34 PM (jYrdS)

138 If you are from Naples, Sicilians are southerners.
Posted by: tommylotto

And if you are from Sicily, you are NOT Italian.

Posted by: Tonypete at February 26, 2021 07:34 PM (Rvt88)

139 nood animals
no, that doesn't mean what you're hoping for raimondo

Posted by: andycanuck at February 26, 2021 07:36 PM (d6he9)

140 Is there a good reason why some true man who is a father to a confused child hasn't taken this guy out in the alley and beat the crap out of him?

I don't think some people should be allowed anywhere near kids, ever.
Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at February 26, 2021 07:33 PM (okGHj)

Because if the cops didn't kill him he'd go to prison and then he'd be helpless to stop anything at all, or even slow it down. And the Cathedral would slot someone into Levine's spot who was just as bad, and would make *sure* the guy's kid was properly maimed just to spite him.

Posted by: Vanya, Hallucination at February 26, 2021 07:36 PM (gAFsE)

141 In New England, a Yankee is someone from small parts of rural Maine or northern Vermont.

Posted by: rhomboid

I was born in Arkansas but learned to speak in the Midwest (Ohio) and West (Colorado/Montana), so when I was in the Navy in 1989 in Athens, Georgia, and a local called me "Yankee" in an aggressive way, I said in my most bland "American" accent: Since you Hillbillies lost the War Between The States, I guess it's the least I can do to let you call me 'Yankee'".

Fisticuffs were almost drawn, but thankfully, cooler heads prevailed, and we ended up talking about how shit the Atlanta Braves were. Which was funny, since they started their run at the World Series in 1991.

Posted by: Sharkman at February 26, 2021 07:36 PM (QC3fr)

142 Is it ever possible, now and forever, amen, to have a FUCKING INTELLIGENT conversation about slavery? Just ONE? It was a UNIVERSAL CONDITION OF EXISTENCE until the industrial revolution. Why? Because machines made people's lives easier; slaves and servants were no longer necessary. To claim that slavery was an invention of the American colonies is stupidity beyond belief.

Posted by: Caliban

The US and Great Britain had slavery just like the entire rest of the world. And between the two, are also the countries that put a stop to it around the World. We only get credit for having slaves; not for stopping the practice. Which tells you all you need to know about people who bring the subject up. They don't give a shit about the slaves, just in beating up on the US.

Posted by: Sharkman at February 26, 2021 07:39 PM (QC3fr)

143 ""conservatism," treating the victories the left scored five years ago as the New Tradition to be defended"

five minutes ago.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at February 26, 2021 07:39 PM (Ndje9)

144 130 I have two whole chickens and I'm thinking now would be a good time to roast them and drive the surrounding neighbors' nine dogs fucking crazy.

Mmm. Juicy.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at February 26, 2021 07:31 PM (03n3v)
-----------

Bought some fast food fish, the cat wouldn't eat it either.

Posted by: Braenyard, Patriot dog, starving the beast at February 26, 2021 07:48 PM (eF1II)

145 Re 112, this may be the canonical version:

To foreigners, a Yankee is an American.

To Americans, a Yankee is a Northerner.

To northerners, a Yankee is an Easterner.

To easterners, a Yankee is an New Englander.

To New Englanders, a Yankee is a Vermonter.

And in Vermont, a Yankee is somebody who eats pie for breakfast.
Attributed to E. B. White, author of Charlotte's Web, except for the final line, which is credited to Robert Frost. This is the way I remember it from "How to Get Around MIT," a guidebook for freshmen that included a section on New England culture, cuisine, and dialect.

Posted by: Michael Bates at February 26, 2021 08:00 PM (eSMXw)

146 From the next paragraph in Dabney's essay (linked on my name):

"Their polar star is always found in the
answer to the question, 'Which will be the more popular?' As soon as any
agitation of this kind goes far enough to indicate a possibility of
success, their resistance ends. Each of them begins to argue thus in his
private mind: -- 'The proposed revolution is of course preposterous, but
it will be best for me to leave opposition to it to others. For if it
succeeds, the newly enfranchised will not fail to remember the opponents
of their claim at future elections, and to reward those who were their
friends in the hour of need.' Again: it has now become a regular trick
of American demagogues in power to manufacture new classes of voters to
sustain them in office. It is presumed that the gratitude of the newly
enfranchised will be sufficient to make them vote the ticket of their
benefactors."

Posted by: Michael Bates at February 26, 2021 08:12 PM (eSMXw)

147 Yankees?

Why, that's a baseball team in the Bronx!

Daaaamn Yankees!

Posted by: Bozo Conservative ....Living on the prison planet at February 26, 2021 08:17 PM (tjZg/)

148 Is there a good reason why some true man who is a father to a confused
child hasn't taken this guy out in the alley and beat the crap out of
him?

Yes - scan threads tonight. Harry worries about what happens when Vigilantes do such things. Vigilantes are EXACTLY who do such things. Lets cut to the chase. "White Nationalism" is code - for "who won't submit to our current crazy list of demands". And those wanting to espouse this are trying to get it "legal". They assume it will be followed if it's legal.

Spoiler Alert - many will follow it if its legal.

Posted by: Roll Me Away at February 26, 2021 08:20 PM (apJVd)

149 Posted by: Vanya, Hallucination at February 26, 2021 07:36 PM (gAFsE)

More True - Dad assumed he could turn Kid over and everything would be all right. And that's nothing new. Stupid is old as time.

Posted by: Roll Me Away at February 26, 2021 08:27 PM (apJVd)

150 I suppose it won't be long before it is seriously proposed that white males be denied the right to vote (for all the obvious reasons), and that slavery isn't such a bad idea when blacks are masters and whites are slaves.

Posted by: 370H55V at February 26, 2021 09:31 PM (WusEB)

151 Geese are vicious animals. They used to attack me at the park when I was kid.

Posted by: Eddie Baby at February 26, 2021 10:02 PM (wpJDK)

152 It's obvious we need a conservatism that will allow and protect equality and which will condemn slavery. I believe that's what's known as classical liberalism. One needs to know what's right and wrong. There's the rub.

Posted by: leber at February 26, 2021 10:32 PM (TUdnY)

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