On Friday, Pfizer's First (of Many) Mass Shipment of the Covid Vaccine Began

United Airlines on Friday commenced charter flights to send doses of Pfizer and BioNTech's COVID-19 vaccine candidate to prepare for distribution, according to a report by The Wall Street Journal that cited people familiar with the matter.
In a statement to The Hill, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) said it was "supporting the first mass air shipment of a vaccine" on Friday.

"As a result of the historic pace of vaccine development through Operation Warp Speed and careful logistics planning, the FAA today is supporting the first mass air shipment of a vaccine," the FAA statement read.

...
Part of the company's distribution plan will include existing and additional refrigerated storage sites across the U.S. and Europe. The Journal also reported the plan includes using "dozens of cargo flights and hundreds of truck trips each day."

Pfizer did in fact conceal the fact, which it knew to be a fact, that its vaccine was ready for deployment before the election.

And the GOP will continue bending over ~~backwards~~ forwards to let these megacorporations sodomize them.

Pfizer's vaccine is said to be 90% effective: only 10% of those receiving the vaccine contracted covid.

Moderna's vaccine is even more effective: 94.1% of those innoculated with it stayed covid free, and 100% of those innoculated avoided severe covid symptoms.

That is, the only symptoms we care about. Moderate covid symptoms are just a chest cold.

Continuing the spate of stunning news about COVID-19 vaccines, the biotech company Moderna announced the final results of the 30,000-person efficacy trial for its candidate in a press release today: Only 11 people who received two doses of the vaccine developed COVID-19 symptoms after being infected with the pandemic coronavirus, versus 185 symptomatic cases in a placebo group. That is an efficacy of 94.1%, the company says, far above what many vaccine scientists were expecting just a few weeks ago.
More impressive still, Moderna's candidate had 100% efficacy against severe disease. There were zero such COVID-19 cases among those vaccinated, but 30 in the placebo group. The company today plans to file a request for emergency use authorization (EUA) for its vaccine with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), and is also seeking a similar green light from the European Medicines Agency.

This is exactly what Trump said would happen.

And the media, and the liberal ex-Republicans who are now in fact Democrats but continue to sabotage the conservative movement from the inside, jeered him for saying so.

I can't figure out why, but Professor AllahPundit has failed to note a study that says that use of hydroxychloroquine -- which Professor Allahpundit continually claimed would kill people, because The Science (TM) says that we must form a #Resistance against the Bad Orange Man -- results in 84% fewer hospitalizations than covid patients not treated with it.

A peer-reviewed study measuring the effectiveness of a controversial drug cocktail that includes hydroxychloroquine concluded that the treatment lowered hospitalizations and mortality rates of coronavirus patients.
The study, set to be published in the International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents in December, determined that "Low-dose hydroxychloroquine combined with zinc and azithromycin was an effective therapeutic approach against COVID-19."
A total of 141 patients diagnosed with the coronavirus were treated with the three-drug cocktail over a period of five days and compared to a control group of 377 people who tested positive for the virus but were not given the treatment.
The study found that "the odds of hospitalisation of treated patients was 84% less than in the untreated patients," and only one patient died from the group being treated with the drugs compared to 13 deaths in the untreated group.

I think all the liberals who railed against this life-saving, hospital-sparing drug should promise to refuse to be treated by it, even when infected by covid.

To prove that their constant shrieking about the drug wasn't just a very cynical and nonscientific jihad against Trump.

Larry O'Connor points out that the whole media " " " " fact- " " " " checked Trump -- by which they mean "compared Trump's claims to the Democrat-Media Complex's propaganda points -- when he claimed that a covid vaccine would be on the way to citizens "within weeks."

Well, Trump was right. The " " " " fact- " " " " checkers were wrong.

Will they be correcting their claims now? Will Twitter, FaceBook, and Google be censoring and slapping warning labels on this misinformation?

Remember when Kristen Welker "Fact Checked" Trump at the final presidential debate over this POTUS' statement: "We have a vaccine that's coming, it's ready, it's going to be announced within weeks, and it's going to be delivered"?

Trump was right.https://t.co/OvvOrsvwVz
— Larry O'Connor (@LarryOConnor) November 30, 2020

Janice Dean notes that Andrew Cuomo continues lying about how many grandparents he murdered by forcing sick people into their nursing homes:

That alone should disqualify him from ever being considered for Attorney General. No Senate confirmation either.
— Vonda Markestad (@VondaMarkestad) November 30, 2020

The Tyranny Monopolies are going to have to censor this article -- suicide (fed by loneliness and depression) killed more Japanese in October than covid took in ten full months.

But lockdowns forever!

There is literally no other malady we should be concerned with, apart from covid!

Posted by: Ace at 05:41 PM

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1 Vaccine Boobs

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Trump WON, buy guns at November 30, 2020 05:41 PM (ifmtJ)

2 Heh, nailed it

Now to get the others

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Trump WON, buy guns at November 30, 2020 05:41 PM (ifmtJ)

3 And the GOP will continue bending over backwards forwards to let these megacorporations sodomize them.
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They're sodomizing *us*. The GOP doesn't care about losing elections!

Posted by: ... at November 30, 2020 05:42 PM (mjO4F)

4 And the "impossible" is done once more.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - See The Outrage Outlet for A Piece of Mind! at November 30, 2020 05:42 PM (0QYMt)

5 I"m still not taking the 1.0 version of any vaccine.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Trump WON, buy guns at November 30, 2020 05:42 PM (ifmtJ)

6 Nope. Not happening.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at November 30, 2020 05:42 PM (JWCyv)

7 Praise Biden!

Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math Queen of Greenland (Happy Thanksgiving to my American allies!) at November 30, 2020 05:42 PM (F11st)

8 I think Biden should test it out for us - it will be a good way to show us he really cares about all of us. C'mon man, take one for the team.

Posted by: IC - Call me Madam President-Elect at November 30, 2020 05:43 PM (a0IVu)

9 Y'all go right ahead. I'm pretty sure I've already had it, and I'm not itching for another stick. Better to leave the doses for those who might believe we can go without masks. Please God, kill the face diaper!

Posted by: Catherine at November 30, 2020 05:43 PM (5ihJp)

10 hiya

Posted by: JT at November 30, 2020 05:43 PM (arJlL)

11 I'll keep taking vitamin D, another great preventative that is *not* hyped because it's too darn easy and accessible, thus providing no control/wealth to Bill Gates and global elites.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 30, 2020 05:43 PM (bDqIh)

12 I"m still not taking the 1.0 version of any vaccine.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Trump WON, buy guns at November 30, 2020 05:42 PM (ifmtJ)

Neither am I, and I work in the Pharma space so I am not scared of drugs. But the risk and reward seem lopsided to me.

Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math Queen of Greenland (Happy Thanksgiving to my American allies!) at November 30, 2020 05:44 PM (F11st)

13 What? The blonde in the catgirl pants at the Arizona hearing is distracting me.

Posted by: f'd at November 30, 2020 05:44 PM (+y8uL)

14 Trump is going to have fun destroying the media from Trump Worldwide HQ in the UAE.

Posted by: blaster at November 30, 2020 05:44 PM (ZfRYq)

15 Odd that it's coming to Chicago first?

Posted by: dartist at November 30, 2020 05:45 PM (+ya+t)

16 >>>5 I"m still not taking the 1.0 version of any vaccine.

i'm going to try to get it as soon as it's available.

Then I'm going to buy a t-shirt that says FUCK YOU, I'M INNOCULATED

Posted by: ace at November 30, 2020 05:45 PM (nuqdl)

17 I wonder what is meant by Covid free. No symptoms? The tests have a high false positive rate so I don't think it means testing negative.

Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 30, 2020 05:46 PM (Zm+LZ)

18 What? The blonde in the catgirl pants at the Arizona hearing is distracting me.
Posted by: f'd at November 30, 2020 05:44 PM (+y8uL)

I was coming here to comment about the shiny pants.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at November 30, 2020 05:46 PM (dNzKv)

19 Saw something on twitter that it should be administered to BIPOC because of historical victimhood re: healthcare -- wtf?

And that is what socialized medicine looks like in America: not giving it to the most vulnerable (elderly, chronically ill), but to the ones who scream the loudest about being oppressed or something.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 30, 2020 05:46 PM (bDqIh)

20 "Moderna's vaccine is even more effective: 94.1% of those innoculated with it stayed covid free, and 100% of those innoculated avoided severe covid symptoms."

Why would I get Pfizer's instead of Monderna's vaccine?

Posted by: AZ deplorably isolated at November 30, 2020 05:46 PM (gtatv)

21 Hola

Posted by: Thanatopsis at beautiful Chancre del Diablo ranch at November 30, 2020 05:46 PM (fP7L7)

22 First ever vaccine to give you a boner.

Posted by: wth at November 30, 2020 05:46 PM (v0R5T)

23 Fucked-up as it is, we've almost gotten used to the Permanent Coup Attempt against Donald J. Trump for the last five years--that's right--five years. But this has now gone far beyond the President himself.

They are now trying to overthrow us, the American People, directly. I take that personally, as personally as it gets.

If China invaded the United States with troops and managed to install Joe Biden as a puppet president, the only essential difference with what is going on would be that Americans would have even more clarity.

President Trump won in a true landslide, receiving from the People 80 million votes, around 400 Electoral Votes, carrying the states of Georgia, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Arizona, Nevada, Virginia, almost certainly New Mexico and in all likelihood, Colorado and, yes, California. You heard me.

I was born a free citizen of a Constitutional Republic and I will remain one. I will not be ruled by leave of Globalist Gangsters, Pervert Criminals and their whore Chinese Poodle, not now and not ever. I do believe there are enough people of integrity here to stand for truth and thwart this unprecedented Constitutional Crime Spree. And even the dullest among us can see that the Hand of God is upon our president.

But all should know and understand this clearly: speaking just for me, and some folks from Tennessee, I'm Your Huckleberry.

And just one of millions.

Sincerely,

Huck

Posted by: The Corner of Joe Scarborough's Office Desk at November 30, 2020 05:46 PM (Ndje9)

24 Vaccine? Nein, danke.

Of course, I've already heard the excuse for making such a big deal out of a "vaccine" for a disease with such limited impact - "this will help everyone stop freaking out".

Translated: an illiterate, submissive populace abused by incompetent and/or unethical dishonest "public health" officials, abetted by collapsed lysenkoized "science", which empowered authoritarian freaks to turn the US into the Central African Empire under Bokasa I, will be calmed by a "vaccine".

Which many won't.

And which will not be allowed to change one bit of the near-totalitarian society that instantly sprang into being in a few months earlier this year.

Oh - and side-effects. Given the IFR and CFR of the disease, any side-effects at all would make a "vaccine" a non-starter for 80% of the population, probably more (risk outweighs benefit).

It's a pathetic, unrecognizable shell of the society we had just a few years ago.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 30, 2020 05:46 PM (OTzUX)

25 Does the vaccine have to be administered via the forehead or will the back of the hand suffice?

Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Trump WON, buy guns at November 30, 2020 05:47 PM (ifmtJ)

26 by the end of this year, I saw on CNBC, health authorities expect about a third of Americans to have been exposed to the Chinese Attack Virus. From that number to herd immunity, from vaccinations, is not that large a leap.

By this time next year, no one will be talking about WuFlu

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Fopps News Sucks at November 30, 2020 05:47 PM (szqvX)

27 Hola
Posted by: Thanatopsis at beautiful Chancre del Diablo ranch

Victrola

Posted by: JT at November 30, 2020 05:47 PM (arJlL)

28 My hospital had us answer a survey online today on the Covid vaccine. The first question was would we take the vaccine if it were provided. I answered no and the survey thanked me and exited.

I infer that there would have been further questions if I had answered yes. Otherwise it wasn't much of a survey.

Posted by: G'rump928(C) at November 30, 2020 05:47 PM (yQpMk)

29 I volunteer all of the shooty parts of Chicago for first run on the vaccine.

Posted by: Eli Cash at November 30, 2020 05:47 PM (SScvq)

30 >>>11 I'll keep taking vitamin D, another great preventative that is *not* hyped because it's too darn easy and accessible, thus providing no control/wealth to Bill Gates and global elites.

I try to go outside in the sunshine for 30 minutes a day. Getting harder as it gets colder and rainier, of course.

This weekend had great weather and I went out for hour-Plus long walks over a lot of big hills both days of the weekend.

I take D3 as well but I try to get the vitamin via sunshine to the extent I can.

Posted by: ace at November 30, 2020 05:47 PM (nuqdl)

31 And just like that, the vaccines became the Biden vaccines, prevented everyone from getting the 'Rona, and all was well in the land.

Huzzah.

Posted by: President-Elect Jane D'oh at November 30, 2020 05:47 PM (ptqGC)

32 19 Saw something on twitter that it should be administered to BIPOC because of historical victimhood re: healthcare -- wtf?

And that is what socialized medicine looks like in America: not giving it to the most vulnerable (elderly, chronically ill), but to the ones who scream the loudest about being oppressed or something.
Posted by: Lizzy at November 30, 2020 05:46 PM (bDqIh)

How dare you deny mammograms to women with penises! Peni? Penor? BIGOT!

Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 30, 2020 05:47 PM (Zm+LZ)

33 AOP is in da hood! Apache Junction, that is. Just flew in from Calgary, and boy, are my arms tired.

House safe and sound, no break-ins, but very dusty. Just got the lights and water turned on.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 30, 2020 05:48 PM (mzC78)

34 >> "Moderna's vaccine is even more effective: 94.1% of those innoculated with it stayed covid free, and 100% of those innoculated avoided severe covid symptoms."

I'll wait for the Biderna vaccine, I hear it's 212% effective!!

Posted by: Lizzy at November 30, 2020 05:48 PM (bDqIh)

35 Soon..

Posted by: Covid21 at November 30, 2020 05:48 PM (yQpMk)

36 It's racism if we don't allow black people to have all the first doses and make white people wait for 5 years to be vaccinated.

Posted by: Undercover Brother is the third monkey at November 30, 2020 05:48 PM (jehQe)

37 99.98% of the time, the cure for covid, is catching it.

Why are we inoculating every person on the planet for that?

Why?

Not a rhetorical question.

Posted by: Blinded with science at November 30, 2020 05:48 PM (/q39W)

38 22 First ever vaccine to give you a boner.
Posted by: wth at November 30, 2020 05:46 PM (v0R5T)

And NOW I'm interested.

See? That's how you market it.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Trump WON, buy guns at November 30, 2020 05:48 PM (ifmtJ)

39 We could have just let the overwhelming majority of people get the damn disease and we'd be at a herd immunity level by now.

Give it to the old farts and lift the fucking quarantines.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 30, 2020 05:48 PM (oVJmc)

40 I volunteer all of the shooty parts of Chicago for first run on the vaccine.

Posted by: Eli Cash at November 30, 2020 05:47 PM (SScvq)

Combined houses of congress and all alphabet agencies.

Posted by: BignJames at November 30, 2020 05:48 PM (AwYPR)

41 I've got to adjust myself to life in a world where facts really, really don't matter. I'm not at all sure I can do it.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at November 30, 2020 05:48 PM (sWM8x)

42 Andrew Cuomo didn't have to kill senior citizens, he just liked doing so.

His budget challenge every year going forward is several billion lighter.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Fopps News Sucks at November 30, 2020 05:49 PM (szqvX)

43 It's a pathetic, unrecognizable shell of the society we had just a few years ago.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 30, 2020 05:46 PM (OTzUX)

We really do need to let go of the Eagle as the national mascot and adopt the sheep. It better represents who we are.

Posted by: Bete at November 30, 2020 05:49 PM (Ojki1)

44 AOP is in da hood! Apache Junction, that is. Just flew in from Calgary, and boy, are my arms tired.

House safe and sound, no break-ins, but very dusty. Just got the lights and water turned on.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

Welcome to America !

Posted by: JT at November 30, 2020 05:49 PM (arJlL)

45 33 AOP is in da hood! Apache Junction, that is. Just flew in from Calgary, and boy, are my arms tired.

House safe and sound, no break-ins, but very dusty. Just got the lights and water turned on.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 30, 2020 05:48 PM (mzC7

Welcome home?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Trump WON, buy guns at November 30, 2020 05:49 PM (ifmtJ)

46 MY. SOURCES. ARE. RELIABLE.

Re-lie-a-bull! Otherwise my show wouldn't be named this.

I mean, like, duh.

Posted by: Brian Stelter's Reliable Sources at November 30, 2020 05:49 PM (xfIuy)

47 They will have to shoot me before they vaccinate me with this poison. There have been 142 deaths in my county of more than 400,000 people. I will not submit.

Posted by: WarEagle82 at November 30, 2020 05:50 PM (+Kpte)

48 Tin foil hat on:

A relation of mine has a suspicion that these rushed vaccines will actually (purposely) contain something that harms people just so they can say that the "Trump vaccine" harmed people. To put an exclamation point at the end of their TDS tantrum.

Tin foil hat off.

I'm not sure I discount that assertion.

Posted by: InCali at November 30, 2020 05:50 PM (vRflP)

49 Saw something on twitter that it should be administered to BIPOC because of historical victimhood re: healthcare -- wtf?
===
Do not be shocked if one of the unforeseen side effects is sterilization.

I'm just sayin'.

(taps fingers - waits for moron to say: as long as its not impotence)

Posted by: Blinded with science at November 30, 2020 05:50 PM (nvixM)

50 FTR, I don't think there is anything nefarious about the vaccines, and I think faster (but safe) drug development is a positive, and I hope it can be adopted in other areas. But I typically do not take the flu vaccine (I did this year though because of covid - don't want people to freak out for just the flu) and don't plan on taking this one.

Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math Queen of Greenland (Happy Thanksgiving to my American allies!) at November 30, 2020 05:50 PM (F11st)

51 Posted by: President-Elect Jane D'oh at November 30, 2020 05:47 PM (ptqGC)

One hitch. They don't intend on anything being well for the little people.

Posted by: ... at November 30, 2020 05:50 PM (mjO4F)

52 37 99.98% of the time, the cure for covid, is catching it.

Why are we inoculating every person on the planet for that?

Why?

Not a rhetorical question.
Posted by: Blinded with science at November 30, 2020 05:48 PM (/q39W)

Well you won't be able to buy or sell without the vaccine...

We have the best science.

Never question the science.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Trump WON, buy guns at November 30, 2020 05:50 PM (ifmtJ)

53 The only way I take this bullshit vaccine is at the point of a gun.

Taking the vaccine means that Coup V3.0 was successful.

I will not be party to treason.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 30, 2020 05:50 PM (htI5H)

54 I've been feeling absolutely exhausted and lethargic since our small Thanksgiving. Have never felt like this before. No fever, but a total lack of appetite. I've been continuing to take zinc, vitamin C and D3, and started taking my temperature yesterday.

Ugh.

Posted by: President-Elect Jane D'oh at November 30, 2020 05:50 PM (ptqGC)

55 ALL GOOD NEWS WILL BE SUPPRESSED
ALL BAD NEWS WILL BE EXAGGERATED.

Posted by: The Borg at November 30, 2020 05:50 PM (90qkO)

56 The dems: ok, Trump for the vaccine win. Big whoop. It's not the vaccine, it's how you distribute it that really matters!!

Posted by: LizLem at November 30, 2020 05:51 PM (Rbfr/)

57 I've got to adjust myself to life in a world where facts really, really don't matter. I'm not at all sure I can do it.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at November 30, 2020 05:48 PM (sWM8x)

The Word is the only fact you need, and trust me it's the only thing that matters.

Posted by: ... at November 30, 2020 05:51 PM (mjO4F)

58 My takeaway is that of the (presumably) 15,000 people who were given the placebo and deliberately infected with the dread 'rona, only 185 developed symptoms.

Seems low for something that's laying people dead in the streets.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at November 30, 2020 05:51 PM (Uhu8A)

59 Hell yes, HUck. Count me in on that 100 percent.

Posted by: Eli Cash at November 30, 2020 05:51 PM (SScvq)

60 48 Tin foil hat on:

A relation of mine has a suspicion that these rushed vaccines will actually (purposely) contain something that harms people just so they can say that the "Trump vaccine" harmed people. To put an exclamation point at the end of their TDS tantrum.

Tin foil hat off.

I'm not sure I discount that assertion.
Posted by: InCali at November 30, 2020 05:50 PM (vRflP)

Well in the world of the hypothetical, Bill Gates would totally sterilize millions of people if he could. But the producer would be exposing themselves to enormous liability risk in the US. I'm not sure even a Biden presidency could do anything to stop them from being sued into bankruptcy.

Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 30, 2020 05:51 PM (Zm+LZ)

61 Greta Thunberg is reminding us no to buy stuff we don't need.

To which, I can only add 'one square only'.

Posted by: Sheryl Crow at November 30, 2020 05:52 PM (DMUuz)

62 49 Saw something on twitter that it should be administered to BIPOC because of historical victimhood re: healthcare -- wtf?
===
Do not be shocked if one of the unforeseen side effects is sterilization.

I'm just sayin'.

(taps fingers - waits for moron to say: as long as its not impotence)
Posted by: Blinded with science at November 30, 2020 05:50 PM (nvixM)

After watching America and the world over the last 8+ months I find myself not feeling that to be the worst thing ever.

Posted by: Bete at November 30, 2020 05:52 PM (Ojki1)

63 Zeke Emmanuel proposed that we ship all the vaccines to countries like Bangladesh, because we are open and generous people. But then Pfizer pointed out this stuff needs to be refrigerated. So much for that idea.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Fopps News Sucks at November 30, 2020 05:52 PM (szqvX)

64 I've been feeling absolutely exhausted and lethargic since our small Thanksgiving.

Loss of essence.

Posted by: G'rump928(C) at November 30, 2020 05:52 PM (yQpMk)

65 Peebles, you have a false assumption in your comment - that in fact the spread/exposure of C19 was actually affected by the disastrous, ruinous "policies" of the last 8 months.

Common sense and actual epidemiological doctrine and history suggested from the start that such measures were pointless (the "policies" have been the radical experiment, Sweden is not the experiment).

And of course so far no evidence to change the original wisdom (ace noted yet another study showing no strong effect from "policies" on spread earlier today - there have been many).

But this is kind of instructive and near-universal. 98% of suggestions or arguments with a correct central point or conclusion these days nonetheless incorporate incorrect premises, usually from among the key premises of the lysenkoists and totalitarians.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 30, 2020 05:52 PM (OTzUX)

66 Shit. The camera just zoomed away from shiny pants chick.

Posted by: wth at November 30, 2020 05:53 PM (v0R5T)

67
That alone should disqualify him from ever being considered for Attorney General. No Senate confirmation either.

Ha ha ha, we have comity now.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 30, 2020 05:53 PM (63Dwl)

68 Willowing myself.....because all sorts of shit is being said at these state hearings which turns out to be nothingburgers. Like this below.....

541 Bob Piten:
"In 1998 there were 1.1 million voters in Arizona.
Since year 2000, the population is up 40%.
In 2020, there were 3.2 million voters.
Something is off."

#ArizonaHearing
Posted by: bat nationalist at November 30, 2020 05:37 PM (vPzhp)

___

No there is nothing off about it. And it's not 40% it's over 50%.

AZ:
2000: 1.5M votes, population 4.8M
2020: 3.2M votes, population 7.3M

Utah (next door to AZ)
2000: 725K votes 2.2M population
2020: 1.4M votes 3.2M population

In both states, the number of voters increased by about 100% between 2000 and 2020 while the state population grew by about 50%.

So unless you think Utah is in on AZ's scam, there is nothing off or nefarious about these numbers. And the fact that Rudy and Co didn't take 5 minutes to do what I did shows up all you need to know about their competency.

Posted by: Asshoes at November 30, 2020 05:53 PM (22mNy)

69

God
Country
Family
Friends
Others
Self

Putting myself at the back of the vaccine line for humanity.
Then I might get it,,, maybe.

Posted by: TeeJ at November 30, 2020 05:53 PM (H8mJH)

70 Ha. Camera guy just panned a little to make sure she's back in the frame.

Posted by: wth at November 30, 2020 05:54 PM (v0R5T)

71 zinc and Vitamin D plus some outside exercise will do you just fine for almost all cold-like diseases.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 30, 2020 05:54 PM (KZzsI)

72
Zeke Emmanuel proposed that we ship all the vaccines to countries like Bangladesh, because we are open and generous people. But then Pfizer pointed out this stuff needs to be refrigerated. So much for that idea.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Fopps News Sucks

Yeah, their version needs EXTREME refrigeration.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 30, 2020 05:54 PM (63Dwl)

73 Well in the world of the hypothetical, Bill Gates would totally sterilize millions of people if he could. But the producer would be exposing themselves to enormous liability risk in the US. I'm not sure even a Biden presidency could do anything to stop them from being sued into bankruptcy.
Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 30, 2020 05:51 PM (Zm+LZ)

I don't know the outcome but there was a lot of thinking going on about how to bake indemnity into the system: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2030600

Posted by: havelhavolim at November 30, 2020 05:55 PM (fLpTX)

74 You know what would get Big Pharma's attention - patent reform proposals that shave say 5 years off drug patent terms. But "muh private property" conservative principles of the TruCons wouldn't even allow such a thing to be threatened ... even though the analogy to actual land/property rights such principles are based on with regard intellectual property rights is pretty tenuous.

Posted by: All Just Part of the Plan at November 30, 2020 05:55 PM (dYe5S)

75 And the fact that Rudy and Co didn't take 5 minutes to do what I did shows up all you need to know about their competency.

Posted by: Asshoes at November 30, 2020 05:53 PM (22mNy)

Call them up.

Posted by: G'rump928(C) at November 30, 2020 05:55 PM (yQpMk)

76 The only way I take this bullshit vaccine is at the point of a gun.

Taking the vaccine means that Coup V3.0 was successful.

I will not be party to treason.>>>
Mandatory inoculations for everyone will be the endgame. If I can be compelled to take this vaccine against my will, then I demand that all mentally ill people who refuse to take their meds, be made- under verifiable supervision- to do so. No. Exceptions.

Posted by: Old Dude at November 30, 2020 05:55 PM (LGXGf)

77 Is this the one that changes your DNA and makes your voice go up a fifth?

Posted by: attila the temporarily reasonable at November 30, 2020 05:55 PM (w7KSn)

78 Can't we test this out in some third world poophole first?
Like DC?

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 30, 2020 05:55 PM (/Dgcm)

79 Well in the world of the hypothetical, Bill Gates would totally sterilize millions of people if he could. But the producer would be exposing themselves to enormous liability risk in the US. I'm not sure even a Biden presidency could do anything to stop them from being sued into bankruptcy.
===
Vaccine makers enjoy significant protections. there is a entire Federal agency that handles vaccine injury claims and pays according to a schedule.

Posted by: Blinded with science at November 30, 2020 05:55 PM (dK0Br)

80 Merely correcting the fact checkers is no longer sufficient. Thousands, possibly tens of thousands, died because lies about HCQ caused a longtime pharmaceutical stalwart to be unnecessarily sidelined.

Really, the more this stuff comes out, the more we should all declare that President Trump would be completely right to execute every single person that perpetrated this fraud. A small number of extremely elite people to start, then trickling down to anyone who continues to perpetrate the lie, in order of descending influence.

Posted by: trev006 at November 30, 2020 05:55 PM (XI1vM)

81 I say give to the vulnerable and needy first. Good and hard.

Posted by: Desultory joe at November 30, 2020 05:56 PM (L9P9s)

82 78 Can't we test this out in some third world poophole first?
Like DC?
Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 30, 2020 05:55 PM (/Dgcm)

San Fran. I volunteer our idiot governor and his evil aunt.

Posted by: IC - Call me Madam President-Elect at November 30, 2020 05:56 PM (a0IVu)

83 "Pope Francis Says Covid Vaccine Will Now Be Required To Enter Heaven"

Posted by: @TheBabylonBee at November 30, 2020 05:56 PM (gfQAD)

84 Zeke Emanuel also sez no one should live past 75 because you've ceased to be useful to society....and he's going to work for Dementia Joe.

My irony meter needs replacing.

Posted by: President-Elect Jane D'oh at November 30, 2020 05:57 PM (ptqGC)

85 75 And the fact that Rudy and Co didn't take 5 minutes to do what I did shows up all you need to know about their competency.

Posted by: Asshoes at November 30, 2020 05:53 PM (22mNy)

Call them up.
Posted by: G'rump928(C) at November 30, 2020 05:55 PM (yQpMk)

__

They're making fools of themselves with this bullshit and by extension, anyone who genuinely believes the election was stolen.

Posted by: Asshoes at November 30, 2020 05:57 PM (22mNy)

86 Angry Ace.

Posted by: Zek at November 30, 2020 05:57 PM (r4fw8)

87 Pope Francis Says Covid Vaccine Will Now Be Required To Enter Heaven"

LOL... On a serious note... It won't do him any good

Posted by: It's me donna at November 30, 2020 05:57 PM (Zmnko)

88 Saw something on twitter that it should be administered to BIPOC because of historical victimhood re: healthcare -- wtf?
===
Do not be shocked if one of the unforeseen side effects is sterilization.

I'm just sayin'.

(taps fingers - waits for moron to say: as long as its not impotence)
Posted by: Blinded with science at November 30, 2020 05:50 PM (nvixM)

After watching America and the world over the last 8+ months I find myself not feeling that to be the worst thing ever.

Posted by: Bete
====
We couldn't agree more!!! Cheers!!

Posted by: Bill Gates and George Soros at November 30, 2020 05:57 PM (aB3Bf)

89 Well, Trump was right. The " " " " fact- " " " " checkers were wrong.

wow! quadruple quotes! i'm aware of a few places in particularly noodly dcl scripts where triple quotes are required, but i don't think i've seen quadruple quotes before.

Posted by: Anachronda at November 30, 2020 05:58 PM (v3pYe)

90 ace there are calculators online to estimate what kind of D3 supplementation you might want to have, taking into account personal data as well as latitude and sun exposure time/week.

In NYC I'd guess you'll find 5K IUs in a daily supplement would be warranted. And completely safe. D is fat-soluble and therefore it's possible to over-dose, but for most people that requires a rather outlandish intake.

I'm on the Non-Border Border with Mexico, and I've added 5K every 3 days to my routine. First supplement of any kind I've ever taken, so a radical step. But D has other benefits besides immune system strength (which may not be fully demonstrated, actually).

Posted by: rhomboid at November 30, 2020 05:58 PM (OTzUX)

91 Good news.

The rona has come and gone through casadekim.

Mrs kim is back at work. I feel fine. Nothing more than a bad cold!

Kim jr will be at work in 2 days.

Rona was not bad for us.

Posted by: USNtakim deplorable still. at November 30, 2020 05:58 PM (0OmEj)

92
Ace, do a thread on the greatest American politician of all time Joe Biden. Lets face it, anyone that actually believes the results in this years Presidential Election will have to acknowledge the majesty of Slow Joe. Barack Obama popular? No, those people in 2008 and 2012 were obviously voting for Biden's magnificence, Obama was just along for the ride. Proof? Why Joe just garnered the most votes ever for a Presidential candidate. Obama who?

Posted by: Killer Cuomo at November 30, 2020 05:58 PM (rQ/Vt)

93 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - Office of the President Elect at November 30, 2020 05:58 PM (Zz0t1)

94 Posted by: USNtakim deplorable still. at November 30, 2020 05:58 PM (0OmEj)

*crisp high five*

Congrats, man

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Trump WON, buy guns at November 30, 2020 05:58 PM (ifmtJ)

95 Buy moar woodchipper stocks. I don't see how our country moves past this without our own military intervention.

https://tinyurl.com/yybtp4wz

Replying to
@HowleyReporter
and
@Aliettie

Ducey signed a Bill giving Dominion employees power to decide voters' intent for defective ballots, which is why Maricopa elections official Kelly Dixon insisted that staff give sharpies to voters on Nov 3 so they could adjudicate those ballots and fraudulently give them to Biden

Posted by: bat nationalist at November 30, 2020 05:59 PM (vPzhp)

96 SUCK it, Gates.

Posted by: Sponge - Office of the President Elect at November 30, 2020 05:59 PM (Zz0t1)

97 No there is nothing off about it. And it's not 40% it's over 50%.

AZ:
2000: 1.5M votes, population 4.8M
2020: 3.2M votes, population 7.3M

Utah (next door to AZ)
2000: 725K votes 2.2M population
2020: 1.4M votes 3.2M population

In both states, the number of voters increased by about 100% between 2000 and 2020 while the state population grew by about 50%.

So unless you think Utah is in on AZ's scam, there is nothing off or nefarious about these numbers. And the fact that Rudy and Co didn't take 5 minutes to do what I did shows up all you need to know about their competency.
Posted by: Asshoes at November 30, 2020 05:53 PM (22mNy)

The only particularly interesting high level aggregate numbers are total votes vs 2018 registered eligible voters, where the former exceeds the latter(implying that the 2020 vote was close to 100% of eligible registered voters, which when we dig in we can see is made from a combination of more normal results and fraudulent results). Most of the other stuff of real interest is in more local data, as for the ones mentioned above you'd need to analyze the demographics. and voter registration to see if there was anything fishy at that level, and any analysis would tend to have wider predicted results.

Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 30, 2020 05:59 PM (Zm+LZ)

98 Moderna's vaccine is even more effective: 94.1% of those innoculated with it stayed covid free

So, compared to the control group- us- it gives you covid?

Posted by: t-bird at November 30, 2020 05:59 PM (ZY9MN)

99 Greta Thunberg is reminding us no to buy stuff we don't need.

Like plane tickets around the world, you hideous gargoyle?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 30, 2020 05:59 PM (oVJmc)

100 USNtakim deplorable still.

This is great news.

Posted by: Adriane Wot Sez 'Oy!' A Lot These Days ... at November 30, 2020 05:59 PM (LPnfS)

101 11 I'll keep taking vitamin D, another great preventative that is *not* hyped because it's too darn easy and accessible, thus providing no control/wealth to Bill Gates and global elites.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 30, 2020 05:43 PM (bDqIh)

Sounds like a prime candidate for banination!

Posted by: FDA at November 30, 2020 05:59 PM (DTX3h)

102 Posted by: Asshoes at November 30, 2020 05:57 PM (22mNy)

Have you thought about volunteering your expertise to President Trump or are you going to just stick with commenting on this blog?

Posted by: somewhere north of I-64 at November 30, 2020 05:59 PM (uxUoN)

103
Zeke Emanuel also sez no one should live past 75 because you've ceased to be useful to society....and he's going to work for Dementia Joe.

My irony meter needs replacing.
Posted by: President-Elect Jane D'oh

Would Zeke deny Joe his new boot?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 30, 2020 06:00 PM (63Dwl)

104
You know what would get Big Pharma's attention - patent reform proposals
that shave say 5 years off drug patent terms. But "muh private
property" conservative principles of the TruCons wouldn't even allow
such a thing to be threatened ... even though the analogy to actual
land/property rights such principles are based on with regard
intellectual property rights is pretty tenuous.

Posted by: All Just Part of the Plan at November 30, 2020 05:55 PM (dYe5S)

make it a true free market, no insurance, no bs. They sell it for what they can get. Let's see if they won't sell it to people who need it that are willing to pay them. Maybe they can do that like hotels that wont rent rooms for too low a price even if the room goes vacant. But the pressure would be immense and really, at a point they are producing the pills for little or nothing. Do they want to get paid or not?
there was a time a small town doctor would take a chicken or whatever for payment. The alternative was to get nothing and not help the person in need.

Posted by: Quint at November 30, 2020 06:00 PM (ZbBR3)

105 I believe in the periphery of my intense, now abandoned, C19 research and vigilance in the past few months was a study, utilizing the now-extensive longitudinal data for the flu vaccine, that found ..... not much effect on mortality. Not sure about morbidity.

Well isn't that a shocker.

I got the flu shot for a few years but reconsidered given my medical history (none, very lucky) and current condition, plus I've had the flu a few times and it was not pleasant but nothing serious.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 30, 2020 06:00 PM (OTzUX)

106 63
Zeke Emmanuel proposed that we ship all the vaccines to countries like
Bangladesh, because we are open and generous people. But then Pfizer
pointed out this stuff needs to be refrigerated. So much for that idea.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Fopps News Sucks at November 30, 2020 05:52 PM (szqvX)

Hope this fucking ghoul doesn't get anywhere near policy. As anyone 75 or over should.

Posted by: Javems at November 30, 2020 06:00 PM (G9Y8y)

107 Here's a bit of diversion for you from the inimitable Jennifer Rubin:

"President-elect Joe Biden has selected a flock of experienced, center-right nominees for top positions -- progressive enough to reassure most Democrats and reasonable enough to impress conservative policy wonks."
-- JRubinBlogger

Posted by: Duncanthrax at November 30, 2020 06:00 PM (DMUuz)

108 The Republican leaders of the Pennsylvania House of Representatives announced late Saturday that they will not be returning to session this year, a move that would appear to preclude any possibility of lawmakers interceding in the 2020 election.

House Speaker Bryan Cutler, R-Quarryville, and Majority Leader Kerry Benninghoff, R-Bellefonte, released a joint statement saying that they would not be calling their chamber to Harrisburg on Monday, the final possible day for the 2019-20 session of the Legislature to meet.

"We are physically unable to consider any new legislation before the end of session," they wrote in the statement. "A simple resolution takes three legislative days for consideration and a concurrent resolution takes five legislative days to move through both chambers, which means we do not have the time needed to address any new resolutions in our current session."

Surrender Republicans giving away PA. They refuse to take any steps to fight. If it were Biden fighting for the state the state Dems would be fighting tooth and nail for it.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 30, 2020 06:01 PM (+2o5B)

109 AOP is in da hood! Apache Junction, that is. Just flew in from Calgary, and boy, are my arms tired.

House safe and sound, no break-ins, but very dusty. Just got the lights and water turned on.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

Welcome!
Coffee some time... I'm in AJ to see the BIL once or twice a week.

Posted by: AZ deplorably isolated at November 30, 2020 06:01 PM (gtatv)

110 Covid-20

New and Improved !

Posted by: Chins is Asshoe at November 30, 2020 06:01 PM (2eMOL)

111 But the producer would be exposing themselves to enormous liability risk in the US.

Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 30, 2020 05:51 PM (Zm+LZ)

The kind of thing that will be fixed by socialized medicine.

Posted by: ... at November 30, 2020 06:01 PM (mjO4F)

112 #KillCuomoLikeHeKilledTheOlds

No?

Well, at least a debilitating disease then?

Posted by: Sponge - Office of the President Elect at November 30, 2020 06:01 PM (Zz0t1)

113 osted by: Asshoes at November 30, 2020 05:53 PM (22mNy)

That is what Bob did during the AZ testimony today.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at November 30, 2020 06:01 PM (dNzKv)

114 My disgust with the MFM and RINO class is truly immeasurable. It doesn't need to be said and yet it must be said.

One of the best presidents this nation has ever seen is going to be replaced due to historic fraud. And the coordinated sabotage will be defended and written out of the history books.

Trumpism better not die or the nation will.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at November 30, 2020 06:01 PM (HhXSr)

115 Fuck COVID. Have sex with an infected woman. You are now immune.

Posted by: bat nationalist at November 30, 2020 06:01 PM (vPzhp)

116 OT,
"The Navy will scrap the USS Bonhomme Richard after a fire burned aboard the amphibious assault ship for nearly five days in July and rendered it unsalvageable"

From The Hill.com

Posted by: attila the temporarily reasonable at November 30, 2020 06:01 PM (w7KSn)

117 Does the vaccine have to be administered via the forehead or will the back of the hand suffice?

Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Trump WON, buy guns at November 30, 2020 05:47 PM (ifmtJ)

Doesn't matter. Either way, you'll get a mark.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy 🍺 at November 30, 2020 06:01 PM (ZSK0i)

118 @Elex_Michaelson 2h
CA governor Gavin Newsom says California is anticipating hospitals to reach 78% capacity by Christmas

Posted by: Compared to the normal 75% ? at November 30, 2020 06:02 PM (BBWrU)

119 Rubin knows nothing about what 'conservatives' think.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 30, 2020 06:02 PM (oVJmc)

120 Pretty sure most zombie movies started out just like this.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at November 30, 2020 06:02 PM (JWCyv)

121 @Elex_Michaelson 2h
CA governor Gavin Newsom says California is anticipating hospitals to reach 78% capacity by Christmas

AKA, 'normal.'

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 30, 2020 06:02 PM (oVJmc)

122 About 4% of Americans have tested positive for the virus. So these vaccines are 94% effective at preventing a virus that 96% of people have avoided getting even without a vaccine.

Science!

Posted by: Wally at November 30, 2020 06:02 PM (FJYfm)

123 Surrender Republicans giving away PA. They refuse to take any steps to fight. If it were Biden fighting for the state the state Dems would be fighting tooth and nail for it.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 30, 2020 06:01 PM (+2o5B)

Remember when the Dems met at midnight on Christmas to pass Obamacare?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at November 30, 2020 06:02 PM (dNzKv)

124 Surrender Republicans giving away PA. They refuse to
take any steps to fight. If it were Biden fighting for the state the
state Dems would be fighting tooth and nail for it.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 30, 2020 06:01 PM (+2o5B)

true.

Posted by: Quint at November 30, 2020 06:03 PM (ZbBR3)

125 Completely O/T but AOL frontpage has a story up about Biden being certified by AZ.
He's at a podium with what appears to be the Great Seal behind him.
The shot is framed to show him as either, super Spock ears or as an elf.
A really retarded elf.

Posted by: Winston dreg of society at November 30, 2020 06:03 PM (Drr5h)

126 Seriously, if Trump would just stop doing that thing that he is doing that everyone knows he is not supposed to be doing and start doing that thing that he is not doing that everyone knows he should be doing, no one would die of that disease that definitely did NOT start in China and then spread to the rest of the world.

Simple

Posted by: JB1000 at November 30, 2020 06:03 PM (lV9Tz)

127 Does the vaccine have to be administered via the forehead or will the back of the hand suffice?

Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Trump WON, buy guns at November 30, 2020 05:47 PM (ifmtJ)

Doesn't matter. Either way, you'll get a mark.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at November 30, 2020 06:01 PM

Ha!
I've asked the very same question elsewhere resulting in some very strange looks.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 30, 2020 06:03 PM (axyOa)

128 "The Navy will scrap the USS Bonhomme Richard after a fire burned aboard the amphibious assault ship for nearly five days in July and rendered it unsalvageable"

Not surprised. The last article I pulled up on the topic said the fire completely trashed *all* of the computer systems. That cost alone had to be enormous.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy 🍺 at November 30, 2020 06:03 PM (ZSK0i)

129 115 Fuck COVID. Have sex with an infected woman. You are now immune.
Posted by: bat nationalist at November 30, 2020 06:01 PM (vPzhp)

Woman? Only sex with men works.

Posted by: Fauchi at November 30, 2020 06:03 PM (Ojki1)

130 I did not die in a NY nursing home!

Posted by: Gina Haspell at November 30, 2020 06:03 PM (V6GAy)

131 Buy moar woodchipper stocks. I don't see how our country moves past this without our own military intervention.

https://tinyurl.com/yybtp4wz

Replying to

@HowleyReporter

and

@Aliettie

Ducey signed a Bill giving Dominion employees power to decide
voters' intent for defective ballots, which is why Maricopa elections
official Kelly Dixon insisted that staff give sharpies to voters on Nov 3
so they could adjudicate those ballots and fraudulently give them to
Biden

Posted by: bat nationalist at November 30, 2020 05:59 PM (vPzhp)

The GD Vichy Republicans are as much to blame or more for the Dems getting away with stealing this election.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 30, 2020 06:04 PM (+2o5B)

132 Sincerely,

Huck
Posted by: The Corner of Joe Scarborough's Office Desk at November 30, 2020 05:46 PM (Ndje9)

Non Alius Regit, my freind.

Posted by: Inogame - Trump Won at November 30, 2020 06:04 PM (+2xjH)

133 No there is nothing off about it. And it's not 40% it's over 50%.

AZ:
2000: 1.5M votes, population 4.8M
2020: 3.2M votes, population 7.3M

Utah (next door to AZ)
2000: 725K votes 2.2M population
2020: 1.4M votes 3.2M population

In both states, the number of voters increased by about 100% between 2000 and 2020 while the state population grew by about 50%.

So unless you think Utah is in on AZ's scam

====

Yes.

Posted by: bat nationalist at November 30, 2020 06:04 PM (vPzhp)

134 Start protesting at the homes of these gopERS. Works for the progtards.

Posted by: somewhere north of I-64 at November 30, 2020 06:04 PM (uxUoN)

135 @108
Not the falling domino we were hoping for.

Bottom line, it appears the GOP was in on the heist.

So at least this bit of treachery by the PA GOP is clarifying.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 30, 2020 06:04 PM (htI5H)

136 Not taking the vaccine is 99% effective.

Posted by: Earl Schlobodowicz at November 30, 2020 06:04 PM (jkztu)

137 Not taking it.

Posted by: Archer at November 30, 2020 06:04 PM (gmo/4)

138 Elex_Michaelson 2h
CA governor Gavin Newsom says California is anticipating hospitals to reach 78% capacity by Christmas

Posted by: Compared to the normal 75%
====
Exactly. I mean, in Winter months the census always goes up. They aren't even trying to lie well.

Posted by: Stoopid is as stoopid does at November 30, 2020 06:04 PM (HWZvE)

139 CA governor Gavin Newsom says California is anticipating hospitals to reach 78% capacity by Christmas

Capacity is misleading... Capacity means enough staff able to handle patients... Since most elective surgeries are on hold, amount nurses etc. have been reduced.... Thus "capacity"

Posted by: It's me donna at November 30, 2020 06:04 PM (Zmnko)

140 And what are you going to do about it?

Posted by: Rollory at November 30, 2020 06:04 PM (4ig19)

141 Mandatory inoculations for everyone will be the endgame.
Posted by: Old Dude

Here's the funny thing. We have millions who are immune due to getting and getting over Covid.

Why would they have to get an inoculation?

They're already immune. And if natural immunity wears off, so the the vaccine.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 30, 2020 06:04 PM (W4LFA)

142 twitter is suspending all of today's witnesses for the campaign in AZ

Posted by: BlackOrchid at November 30, 2020 06:04 PM (j9HX3)

143 I did not die in a NY nursing home!
Posted by: Gina Haspell at November 30, 2020 06:03 PM (V6GAy)

Starring...
Amy Adams

Posted by: bat nationalist at November 30, 2020 06:05 PM (vPzhp)

144
"The Navy will scrap the USS Bonhomme Richard after a fire burned aboard the amphibious assault ship for nearly five days in July and rendered it unsalvageable"

From The Hill.com
Posted by: attila the temporarily reasonable

The Navy used to be capable of fighting shipboard fires.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 30, 2020 06:05 PM (63Dwl)

145 Ok 100 comments.

So I saw a some talk in the past thread about how a solution to actual door to door confiscation is to hide the guns.

I'm not thinking that's a working solution.

The state can probably ascertain gun owners with a high degree of confidence. They don't need to go door to door but just to put them on a domestic terrorist list and let the financial system do its work.

So if a door to door confiscation doesn't trigger a shooting war then nothing will and guns are as a good a gone in a matter of time the way things are shaking up.

I understand the challenge here. The boiling frog is a world famous parable for a reason. I'm not even claiming I'd have the strength to die on that hill, because the prospects of leaving a family without a caretaker are a more than a little daunting. But I do want to get a sense of the strength of our buffer against tyranny.

Posted by: havelhavolim at November 30, 2020 06:05 PM (fLpTX)

146

Posted by: Archer at November 30, 2020 06:05 PM (gmo/4)

147 Surrender Republicans giving away PA. They refuse to take any steps to fight. If it were Biden fighting for the state the state Dems would be fighting tooth and nail for it.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 30, 2020 06:01 PM

500 quatloos that every one of them was brought into a room and shown an envelope with $$$ in it, and an envelope with the pictures of their family members in it. Time to choose.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 30, 2020 06:05 PM (axyOa)

148 Completely O/T but AOL frontpage has a story up about Biden being certified by AZ.
He's at a podium with what appears to be the Great Seal behind him.
The shot is framed to show him as either, super Spock ears or as an elf.
A really retarded elf.
Posted by: Winston dreg of society at November 30, 2020 06:03 PM (Drr5h)

AOL.

HA!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - Office of the President Elect at November 30, 2020 06:06 PM (Zz0t1)

149 The Navy used to be capable of fighting shipboard fires.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 30, 2020 06:05 PM (63Dwl)

The ship was sabotaged and didn't have a full complement of crew.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at November 30, 2020 06:06 PM (dNzKv)

150 AKA, 'normal.'
=================
I *think* that's below normal. IIRC, if hospitals aren't 80-85% capacity, they're not making money.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at November 30, 2020 06:06 PM (7Fj9P)

151 @TheBabylonBee 5m

Biden's Arm Falls Off While Trying To Open A Jar Of Peanut Butter

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 30, 2020 06:06 PM (VsHYs)

152 We really do need to let go of the Eagle as the national mascot and adopt the sheep. It better represents who we are.

Second look at the turkey?

Posted by: Ben Franklin at November 30, 2020 06:07 PM (UW2ZS)

153 Does the vaccine have to be administered via the forehead or will the back of the hand suffice?

Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Trump WON, buy guns at November 30, 2020 05:47 PM (ifmtJ)

Doesn't matter. Either way, you'll get a mark.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at November 30, 2020 06:01 PM

Ha!
I've asked the very same question elsewhere resulting in some very strange looks.
Posted by: Diogenes

Keep forcing the question. It's that important.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 30, 2020 06:07 PM (W4LFA)

154 Lets see.

10% chance of bad stuff from a vaccine.

0.03% chance of bad stuff if I do nothing.

What to do? What to do?

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 30, 2020 06:07 PM (u82oZ)

155 Who you gonna believe.
Me or your lying whore eyes?

Posted by: Media Whores at November 30, 2020 06:07 PM (r4fw8)

156 I always assumed Jonathan Turley was black. His twitter profile picture really put me in my place.

Posted by: bat nationalist at November 30, 2020 06:07 PM (vPzhp)

157 Walked into the little town's liquor store this afternoon. It's cold, snowy and windy. The woman behind the counter has a mask, loosely draped around her neck when I come in the door. She immediately made an attempt to put it on. I waved my hand and said; "You don't have to put that on for me... unless you really want to." Her response; "Thanks, I hate these things." I said something to the effect, it's all bullshit and she agreed.

People are beginning to see through the lie.

Posted by: Martini Farmer - Now a Pirate, Hoisting the Black Flag at November 30, 2020 06:07 PM (3H9h1)

158 One day PDT will get the credit he iww due...Nah who am I kidding, LOL

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 30, 2020 06:07 PM (OVEfo)

159 Fucking sick of people who should know better treating this virus like it was small pox.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at November 30, 2020 06:07 PM (kTF2Z)

160 Safely resting in Arlington covid free

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 30, 2020 06:08 PM (OVEfo)

161
Does the vaccine have to be administered via the forehead or will the back of the hand suffice?
Asking for a friend.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

Head On! Applied directly to the forehead.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 30, 2020 06:08 PM (63Dwl)

162 Pfft! Pfizer has a pfvaccine?

I don't pfarkin' pfbelieve it.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 30, 2020 06:08 PM (hku12)

163 121 @Elex_Michaelson 2h
CA governor Gavin Newsom says California is anticipating hospitals to reach 78% capacity by Christmas

AKA, 'normal.'
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 30, 2020 06:02 PM (oVJmc)

Exactly. Liberals love to quote statistics without any other statistics for comparison.

"There are 1000 PEOPLE A DAY DYING FROM COVID!!!"

How many people - out of 330 million - die per day normally? Answer: 7000-8000, depending on time of year.

How many people die per day from influenza, when it descends on the land? Probably around 1000.

The numbers in the abstract are meaningless. We need to know related numbers to judge how big a deal this is.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 30, 2020 06:08 PM (YqDXo)

164 84
Zeke Emanuel also sez no one should live past 75 because you've ceased
to be useful to society....and he's going to work for Dementia Joe.

My irony meter needs replacing.

Posted by: President-Elect Jane D'oh at November 30, 2020 05:57 PM (ptqGC

Beat me to it but it can't be said enough.

Posted by: Javems at November 30, 2020 06:08 PM (G9Y8y)

165
153 Does the vaccine have to be administered via the forehead or will the back of the hand suffice?

Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Trump WON, buy guns at November 30, 2020 05:47 PM (ifmtJ)

Doesn't matter. Either way, you'll get a mark.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at November 30, 2020 06:01 PM

Ha!
I've asked the very same question elsewhere resulting in some very strange looks.
Posted by: Diogenes

Keep forcing the question. It's that important.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 30, 2020 06:07 PM

Pretty soon no buying or selling unless you've had the vaccine.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 30, 2020 06:09 PM (axyOa)

166 @161
"Does the vaccine have to be administered via the forehead or will the back of the hand suffice?
Asking for a friend.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards"

Rectally.

Posted by: Zek at November 30, 2020 06:09 PM (r4fw8)

167 Fucking sick of people who should know better treating this virus like it was small pox.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at November 30, 2020 06:07 PM (kTF2Z)

Like smallpox, this will someday be blamed on white people giving away blankets to infect minorities.

Posted by: Wally at November 30, 2020 06:09 PM (FJYfm)

168 WTF found out TODAY, I am the Hunted ONE ?
Feels like I be Virgil Sollozzo ....
No insubordination will be tolerated..

Posted by: An old CID at November 30, 2020 06:09 PM (uSdpa)

169 The GD Vichy Republicans are as much to blame or more for the Dems getting away with stealing this election.
====
Have a seat. I got bad news.

There is only one party and its the deep state. The democrats and the republicans are a puppet show put on to fool the rubes. In a duopoly market collusion is inevitable when the actors are rational and amoral. (I'll wait one second) Yes that is our political class. There is no competition between them. They trade elections back and forth like contractors bid rigging jobs. They is the way the get to maximize their long term security. (I'll wait right here while you cogitate about how long some of "our" reps have been in government service.)

There is now, only one party. This in YOUR FACE election fraud does NOT happen when there is an actual competition between the parties.

Posted by: Stoopid is as stoopid does at November 30, 2020 06:09 PM (HWZvE)

170 ace there are calculators online to estimate what kind of D3 supplementation you might want to have, taking into account personal data as well as latitude and sun exposure time/week.

In NYC I'd guess you'll find 5K IUs in a daily supplement would be warranted. And completely safe. D is fat-soluble and therefore it's possible to over-dose, but for most people that requires a rather outlandish intake.

I'm on the Non-Border Border with Mexico, and I've added 5K every 3 days to my routine. First supplement of any kind I've ever taken, so a radical step. But D has other benefits besides immune system strength (which may not be fully demonstrated, actually).
Posted by: rhomboid at November 30, 2020 05:58 PM (OTzUX)

My doc pulls blood to tell me my levels.. and supplement accordingly.

Posted by: Inogame - Trump Won at November 30, 2020 06:10 PM (+2xjH)

171 One fixed vote to rule them all,
One fixed vote to find them,
One fixed vote to bring them all and in the darkness bind them.

Posted by: Gmac - WTF did you think was going to happen? at November 30, 2020 06:10 PM (qZdIZ)

172 The GD Vichy Republicans are as much to blame or more for the Dems getting away with stealing this election.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 30, 2020 06:04 PM (+2o5B)

The expansion of vote-by-mail is 100% to blame. All safeguards were thrown out the window. This was entirely predictable and was in fact predicted by many of us. The GOP completely caved on that months ago, sealing the steal.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at November 30, 2020 06:10 PM (CQ3Qb)

173 Completely O/T but AOL frontpage has a story up about Biden being certified by AZ.

Certified as mentally defective? OK.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 30, 2020 06:10 PM (YqDXo)

174 I have a liberal friend who manages clinical drug trials. She has said the COVID vaccine trials have been completely botched and she-- as well as ALL the medical people she knows-- will refuse to take any vaccine.

She also stated that a lot of people will die from the vaccine.

Her final word was that we'll know all of the bad side effects within 2 to 3 years.

As for all other diseases not being as important as COVID, when I pointed out all of the domestic abuse happening because of the lockdowns, I was told by another friend (who has turned into a Mask Karen) that those people would have been abused with or without a lockdown.

Posted by: President Elect Shibumi, fighting against the Great Reset at November 30, 2020 06:10 PM (ZCiJZ)

175 Anyone else going to Washington 12/12 to visit the architecture of an ancient Republic?

Posted by: Zek at November 30, 2020 06:10 PM (r4fw8)

176 154 Lets see.
10% chance of bad stuff from a vaccine.
0.03% chance of bad stuff if I do nothing.
What to do? What to do? Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 30, 2020 06:07 PM (u82oZ)

Kinda sota what Im thinkin

Posted by: Rage Stroked but getting the banned back together at November 30, 2020 06:10 PM (aQgQm)

177 161
Does the vaccine have to be administered via the forehead or will the back of the hand suffice?
Asking for a friend.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

Head On! Applied directly to the forehead.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 30, 2020 06:08 PM (63Dwl)

Wait til you see the ~~brand~~ tattoo that shows got the vaccine.

Posted by: Fauchi at November 30, 2020 06:11 PM (Ojki1)

178
Safely resting in Arlington covid free

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 30, 2020 06:08 PM (OVEfo)

good, but that turn of phrase sounded bad at first.

Posted by: Quint at November 30, 2020 06:11 PM (ZbBR3)

179 How could a republican (or democrat for that matter) listen to the PA hearing and not be outraged? Legislature shrugs and says "Meh, what are you gonna do?"

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at November 30, 2020 06:11 PM (dNzKv)

180 There is now, only one party. This in YOUR FACE
election fraud does NOT happen when there is an actual competition
between the parties.

Posted by: Stoopid is as stoopid does at November 30, 2020 06:09 PM (HWZvE)>>>
This doesn't happen if you actually have myriad alphabet agencies dedicated to protecting the Constitution from enemies, foreign and domestic.

Posted by: Old Dude at November 30, 2020 06:11 PM (LGXGf)

181 Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West

You think Courts will work in a Harris Presidency? No.

The end game is 500 million people on the planet, all of whom are in the "Elite" Kleptocracy. It's for Gaia.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 30, 2020 06:11 PM (u82oZ)

182 147 Surrender Republicans giving away PA. They refuse to take any steps to fight. If it were Biden fighting for the state the state Dems would be fighting tooth and nail for it.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 30, 2020 06:01 PM

500 quatloos that every one of them was brought into a room and shown an envelope with $$$ in it, and an envelope with the pictures of their family members in it. Time to choose.
Posted by: Diogenes at November 30, 2020 06:05 PM (axyOa)

I think that we need to get a Scotus win in PA. These legislators aren't heros. They have families and don't want to get dead or at the very least harassed and canceled for the rest of their lives by every institution they've come to depend on.

They certainly aren't going to create their own momentum.

It's orders of magnitude easier for the PA legislature to hand out electors while to pointing to the SCOTUS decision declaring the mail in bailouts illegal.

And once PA falls then it's a bit easier for the other state legislatures to ride the momentum wave.

But for these legislatures to start the ball rolling themselves in inconceivable to me.

We need a miracle, but G-d is big.

Posted by: havelhavolim at November 30, 2020 06:11 PM (fLpTX)

183 And as idiotic and orwellian as mandated vaccines for a disease with this profile is - it's merely the appetizer, in terms of pseudo-science-powered totalitarian social engineering.

The big enchilada is "climate change". Because it could provide the means to control virtually all behavior and consumption.

The "elites" have shown their ignorance, malevolence, and totalitarian impulse.

The populace has shown its ignorance, submissiveness, and lack of character.

And we may soon have a regime that will not hesitate to push this toxic idiocy 10,000 times harder than ever. The mere removal of Trump would mean no "threat" to the "climate" nonsense, and likely its permanence, at a minimum as a fake tenet of conventional wisdom (inculcated at every turn, such as the current social poison of "diversity" and similar toxins).

The very first baby steps were being taken to combat this disastrous idiocy (CA standards being challenged, etc). Now?

The only limit on this evil, stupid, ruinous excuse to control all human behavior will be cost - but that will force only a slower boiling of the frog ... the frog's not getting out of the pot.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 30, 2020 06:11 PM (OTzUX)

184 The expansion of vote-by-mail is 100% to blame. All safeguards were thrown out the window. This was entirely predictable and was in fact predicted by many of us.

The tipoff: the Democrats wanted vote-by-mail. Just like they want felons to be able to vote, they want PR and DC to get statehood, they want to pack the Supreme Court.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 30, 2020 06:11 PM (YqDXo)

185
How many people - out of 330 million - die per day normally? Answer: 7000-8000, depending on time of year.

Minus abortions.......

Posted by: Sponge - Office of the President Elect at November 30, 2020 06:12 PM (Zz0t1)

186 Fuck them, fuck that, fuck this thing in particular.

Posted by: clutch cargo now with 7% more FUCKITOL at November 30, 2020 06:12 PM (8B6Ng)

187 "Does the vaccine have to be administered via the forehead or will the back of the hand suffice?
Asking for a friend.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards"

Rectally.
Posted by: Zek at November 30, 2020 06:09 PM (r4fw

It didn't HAVE to be administered by rectal injection... they just took it for granted we all WANTED it that way.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 30, 2020 06:12 PM (hku12)

188 Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at November 30, 2020 06:10 PM (CQ3Qb)

And you have been pretty consistent in saying this.

Posted by: clutch at November 30, 2020 06:12 PM (9UmRs)

189 > Does the vaccine have to be administered via the forehead or will the back of the hand suffice?

"On the seventh day you must explain to your children, 'I am celebrating what the LORD did for me when I left Egypt.' This annual festival will be a visible sign to you, like a mark branded on your hand or your forehead"

I always wondered about the relation of that passage to the other Mark. Also, how you could see a mark branded on your forehead... Anyway, Covid ain't exactly the tenth plague.

Posted by: perilisk at November 30, 2020 06:12 PM (9p+wn)

190 "The Navy will scrap the USS Bonhomme Richard
after a fire burned aboard the amphibious assault ship for nearly five
days in July and rendered it unsalvageable"

From The Hill.com

Posted by: attila the temporarily reasonable

The Navy used to be capable of fighting shipboard fires.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 30, 2020 06:05 PM (63Dwl)

The Navy used to be capable of a lot of things. When I was in I could use a sextant, we had LORAN navigation, I could do celestial navigation using books. Just about every bridge had the same layout so enlisted personnel didn't have to be retraining when they were assigned to another ship.

Posted by: Archer at November 30, 2020 06:12 PM (gmo/4)

191 i'm going to try to get it as soon as it's available.

Then I'm going to buy a t-shirt that says FUCK YOU, I'M INNOCULATED
Posted by: ace at November 30, 2020 05:45 PM (nuqdl)

Same!

Somebody's gotta take it. I will.

Posted by: April at November 30, 2020 06:12 PM (OX9vb)

192 CA governor Gavin Newsom says California is anticipating hospitals to reach 78% capacity by Christmas

Capacity is misleading... Capacity means enough staff able to handle patients... Since most elective surgeries are on hold, amount nurses etc. have been reduced.... Thus "capacity"
Posted by: It's me donna at November 30, 2020 06:04 PM (Zmnko)

To make money and keep going, I believe hospitals are supposed to operate close to maximum capacity- around 85-90%. Empty beds = $0.00

Posted by: Pres. Elect LASue at November 30, 2020 06:12 PM (Ed8Zd)

193 500 quatloos that every one of them was brought into
a room and shown an envelope with $$$ in it, and an envelope with the
pictures of their family members in it. Time to choose.

Posted by: Diogenes

If the Georgia legislature does the right thing, the governor and the SOS go to prison. I am sure that Dominion bribed the entire state government.

We either get a Communist puppet government or Insurrection Act and hangings. That's about all that's left.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at November 30, 2020 06:12 PM (JWCyv)

194 People are beginning to see through the lie.

Posted by: Martini Farmer - Now a Pirate, Hoisting the Black Flag at November 30, 2020 06:07 PM (3H9h1)

Just in time to be punished for it.

Posted by: ... at November 30, 2020 06:12 PM (mjO4F)

195 The big enchilada is "climate change". Because it could provide the means to control virtually all behavior and consumption.

Yep. I make a point of correcting any liberals who refer to "climate change," informing them that the correct term is "global warming."

I love to watch liberals cringe when I say that.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 30, 2020 06:13 PM (YqDXo)

196 Safely resting in Arlington covid free

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 30, 2020 06:08 PM (OVEfo)

good, but that turn of phrase sounded bad at first.
Posted by: Quint at November 30, 2020 06:11 PM (ZbBR3)

LOL, yeah just realized that. Well we all gotta go sometime. Have ya ever tried to park at Arlington?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 30, 2020 06:13 PM (OVEfo)

197 People are beginning to see through the lie.

Posted by: Martini Farmer - Now a Pirate, Hoisting the Black Flag at November 30, 2020 06:07 PM (3H9h1)

Only those who have their eyes open. IOW, us.

Posted by: Pres. Elect LASue at November 30, 2020 06:13 PM (Ed8Zd)

198 181 Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West

You think Courts will work in a Harris Presidency? No.

The end game is 500 million people on the planet, all of whom are in the "Elite" Kleptocracy. It's for Gaia.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 30, 2020 06:11 PM (u82oZ)

The courts will work NOW, or they never will.
If the Jury Box fails, then the 4th Box has to be opened.

Or we must forever kneel and stop calling ourselves a free people.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Trump WON, buy guns at November 30, 2020 06:13 PM (ifmtJ)

199 108 The Republican leaders of the Pennsylvania House of Representatives announced late Saturday that they will not be returning to session this year, a move that would appear to preclude any possibility of lawmakers interceding in the 2020 election.

House Speaker Bryan Cutler, R-Quarryville, and Majority Leader Kerry Benninghoff, R-Bellefonte, released a joint statement saying that they would not be calling their chamber to Harrisburg on Monday, the final possible day for the 2019-20 session of the Legislature to meet.

"We are physically unable to consider any new legislation before the end of session," they wrote in the statement. "A simple resolution takes three legislative days for consideration and a concurrent resolution takes five legislative days to move through both chambers, which means we do not have the time needed to address any new resolutions in our current session."

Surrender Republicans giving away PA. They refuse to take any steps to fight. If it were Biden fighting for the state the state Dems would be fighting tooth and nail for it.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 30, 2020 06:01 PM (+2o5B)

If Pennsylvania voters aren't burning phones then it's really their own fault... I mean.. especially PA. The fraud there makes Detriot look like Kansas.

Posted by: Inogame - Trump Won at November 30, 2020 06:13 PM (+2xjH)

200 How many people - out of 330 million - die per day normally? Answer: 7000-8000, depending on time of year.

-------
Minus abortions.......
Posted by: Sponge - Office of the President Elect at November 30, 2020 06:12 PM (Zz0t1)

Seven to Eight thousand??

Needs more cowbell.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 30, 2020 06:13 PM (hku12)

201 This doesn't happen if you actually have myriad alphabet agencies
dedicated to protecting the Constitution from enemies, foreign and
domestic.

But... we don't. The alphabet agencies are all controlled by Deep State Communists. We have no one fighting for us except Trump and a handful of others.

Posted by: President Elect Shibumi, fighting against the Great Reset at November 30, 2020 06:14 PM (ZCiJZ)

202 I'll have you know that George Clooney, himself, is using a Flowbee to stylize his hair during this most troubling of COVID lockdown times!

Can you say martyr?

Posted by: Dr. Bone at November 30, 2020 06:14 PM (a7pmO)

203
The tipoff: the Democrats wanted vote-by-mail. Just like they want felons to be able to vote, they want PR and DC to get statehood, they want to pack the Supreme Court.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 30, 2020 06:11 PM (YqDXo)

They want to pack the entire government at all levels, then make it legal to kill you off and leave only liberals who will be more than happy to suck that teat, for eternity.

Posted by: Sponge - Office of the President Elect at November 30, 2020 06:14 PM (Zz0t1)

204 There is now, only one party. This in YOUR FACE
election fraud does NOT happen when there is an actual competition
between the parties.

Posted by: Stoopid is as stoopid does at November 30, 2020 06:09 PM (HWZvE)

If the Republicans think they will be allowed to stay in the Uniparty I tell them to look at Illinois home of the surrender Republicans who went along with everything Democrats wanted as they presented Republican voters with no reason to vote for them as Dems chipped away at Republican strong holds and now there are hardly any left. One party state.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 30, 2020 06:15 PM (+2o5B)

205 There is now, only one party. This in YOUR FACE
election fraud does NOT happen when there is an actual competition
between the parties.

Posted by: Stoopid is as stoopid does at November 30, 2020 06:09 PM (HWZvE)>>>
This doesn't happen if you actually have myriad alphabet agencies dedicated to protecting the Constitution from enemies, foreign and domestic.
====
Right. Our Alpha bet people are dedicated now to the protection of their own fat asses and feathering their own nests while serving the deep state which put them in their positions.

Posted by: Stoopid is as stoopid does at November 30, 2020 06:15 PM (el5al)

206
The big enchilada is "climate change". Because it could provide the means to control virtually all behavior and consumption.

The "elites" have shown their ignorance, malevolence, and totalitarian impulse.

We need to act boldly now if we are to avoid economy-wide lockdowns to halt climate change

https://tinyurl.com/y2ytqn43

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 30, 2020 06:15 PM (63Dwl)

207 MAGA shots of Trump vaccine are on their way.

Posted by: Roy at November 30, 2020 06:15 PM (Ti+Tv)

208 The tipoff: the Democrats wanted vote-by-mail. Just like they want felons to be able to vote, they want PR and DC to get statehood, they want to pack the Supreme Court.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 30, 2020 06:11 PM (YqDXo)

And they are 100% opposed to electronic voting systems for the same reason, it hinders their methods of fraud. I can only imagine how giddy they are that Trump is now rallying his supporters to their cause

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at November 30, 2020 06:15 PM (CQ3Qb)

209 Posted by: clutch cargo now with 7% more FUCKITOL at November 30, 2020 06:12 PM (8B6Ng)

Rockomicin. Once a day.

Twice if you're stupid.

Posted by: Sponge - Office of the President Elect at November 30, 2020 06:16 PM (Zz0t1)

210 @179
The GOP has known for a 100 years that the Donk controlled cities were vector for vote fraud, they have never done anything to correct that.

They keep fucking the "This is not who we are" chicken.

The GOP is not the solution to any of the problems that ail us.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 30, 2020 06:16 PM (htI5H)

211 166 @161
"Does the vaccine have to be administered via the forehead or will the back of the hand suffice?
Asking for a friend.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards"

Rectally.
Posted by: Zek at November 30, 2020 06:09 PM (r4fw

I'm out. I already dated on chick into that shit.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Trump WON, buy guns at November 30, 2020 06:16 PM (ifmtJ)

212 The Navy used to be capable of fighting shipboard fires.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 30, 2020 06:05 PM

We used to be capable of driving them, too.

Posted by: 7th Fleet at November 30, 2020 06:16 PM (DMUuz)

213 Safely resting in Arlington covid free

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 30, 2020 06:08 PM (OVEfo)

good, but that turn of phrase sounded bad at first.

Posted by: Quint at November 30, 2020 06:11 PM (ZbBR3)

LOL, yeah just realized that. Well we all gotta go sometime. Have ya ever tried to park at Arlington?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 30, 2020 06:13 PM (OVEfo)

at Arlington, yeah, it is a beotch. the lanes are a joke and you have to pay up. Some parts of Arlington city are worse though.

Posted by: Quint at November 30, 2020 06:16 PM (ZbBR3)

214 But... we don't. The alphabet agencies are all
controlled by Deep State Communists. We have no one fighting for us
except Trump and a handful of others.Posted by: President Elect Shibumi, fighting against the Great Reset at November 30, 2020 06:14 PM (ZCiJZ)>>>
Precisely. The DogEater was the final piece in the puzzle. And he was more successful than he could've imagined in his fevered, America-hating brain.

Posted by: Old Dude at November 30, 2020 06:17 PM (LGXGf)

215 CNN's finally ready to inform its viewers that Covid is from China, that China lied about the seriousness of the disease, and those lies caused more worldwide deaths.

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y66a6pnc

Posted by: bonhomme at November 30, 2020 06:17 PM (UW2ZS)

216 idiot governor thinking of forcing a stay at home order, again. fuck him. i hope he gets run over by a dump truck.

Posted by: IC - Call me Madam President-Elect at November 30, 2020 06:17 PM (a0IVu)

217 The tipoff: the Democrats wanted vote-by-mail. Just like they want felons to be able to vote, they want PR and DC to get statehood, they want to pack the Supreme Court.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 30, 2020 06:11 PM (YqDXo)

They want to pack the entire government at all levels, then make it legal to kill you off and leave only liberals who will be more than happy to suck that teat, for eternity.
===
Bonus, we'll confiscate your 401k's along with the gold in your teeth before we gas you.

Posted by: Have a nice day at November 30, 2020 06:17 PM (mF7+5)

218 I guess it's too much to ask to have even one election/vote fraud related post per day

Posted by: Shoey at November 30, 2020 06:17 PM (hmNVd)

219 *one chick

Fucking lack of edit featue...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Trump WON, buy guns at November 30, 2020 06:17 PM (ifmtJ)

220 The government didn't provide any funding for the Pfizer research. Stop lying Ace.

By the way Trump still lost. Lol.

Posted by: Pres Loser and his supporters at November 30, 2020 06:17 PM (tN0SJ)

221 Have ya ever tried to park at Arlington?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 30, 2020 06:13 PM (OVEfo)

at Arlington, yeah, it is a beotch. the lanes are a joke and you have to pay up. Some parts of Arlington city are worse though.
Posted by: Quint at November 30, 2020 06:16 PM (ZbBR3)

I meant at the Cemetary on a hot day

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 30, 2020 06:17 PM (OVEfo)

222 Some of the crazy "conspiracy theories" of yesterday keep becoming verified fact. (like the crazy idea that cheap HCQ is effective). So this idea of forced inoculation looks more and more likely.

A crazier notion, that they would like to implant a tracer chip in with your required inoculation ... as an option (only required if you want access to your investment or savings accounts). Oh and btw, the inoculation may also make you sterile, but that is a bonus, no extra cost. And for the greater good, it will also effectively limit your life to 75 years ... life sucks after that anyway ... so you will thank us later.

They really have gone way past crazy in social control and media controlled narrative ... dementia Joe as leader of the "free" world? We need more Kraken ... I vote for the Insurrection Act ... we should know our fate by Christmas.

Posted by: illiniwek at November 30, 2020 06:18 PM (Cus5s)

223 CA governor Gavin Newsom says California is anticipating hospitals to reach 78% capacity by Christmas

Capacity is misleading... Capacity means enough staff able to handle patients... Since most elective surgeries are on hold, amount nurses etc. have been reduced.... Thus "capacity"
Posted by: It's me donna at November 30, 2020 06:04 PM (Zmnko)

Exactly. Besides, my friend who works ICU in LA is always swamped from Thanksgiving on - he loves doing him some double shifts.

People drive drunk, domestic squabbles and Mexicans love them some knife fights. Holidays are always exciting times. Of course, Newsom doesn't mention what's helping to fill the hospitals. Don't need triage for fucking coof.

Posted by: clutch cargo now with 7% more FUCKITOL at November 30, 2020 06:18 PM (8B6Ng)

224 OT from election woes:

The monolith in Utah has vanished, but another has popped up in Europe. Romania.

Theories. Copycat? The new Banksy rolling out performance art? Aliens?

Posted by: LizLem at November 30, 2020 06:18 PM (IUFR3)

225 The "good news". The FAA is authorizing and coordinating the first mass-transport of a Vaccine by means of Passenger Jets.

The "bad news". The FAA has chartered the newly re-certified Boeing 737-MAX fleet for the aforementioned flights.

Might or might not be true, but this report needs to Go Viral, merely by self-definition.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at November 30, 2020 06:18 PM (QzJWU)

226 > I'm not thinking that's a working solution.

> The state can probably ascertain gun owners with a high degree of confidence. They don't need to go door to door but just to put them on a domestic terrorist list and let the financial system do its work.

Since most gun owners are still reliant on the broader economy for ammo, that would be the obvious point to clamp down. Even if they have guns, if they can't get ammo, the guns are useless, and they will be less inclined to train if it uses such a valuable commodity. Plus, much less direct confrontation -- they don't have to both gun owners, just ammo sellers.

Posted by: perilisk at November 30, 2020 06:19 PM (9p+wn)

227 Mass shipment of COVID vaccine? From umbrella corp.

Posted by: Archer at November 30, 2020 06:19 PM (gmo/4)

228 Tenney now back up by 13 votes in NY-22 after the first "final" count.

A Lake Oswego judge will decide about counting challenged ballots.
These communications raise additional, very serious concerns to the Court about the pending judicial review of the challenged ballots in this Congressional race.

https://tinyurl.com/yxo6n3am

Posted by: Still a battle at November 30, 2020 06:19 PM (BBWrU)

229 CA governor Gavin Newsom says California is anticipating hospitals to reach 78% capacity by Christmas

Capacity is misleading... Capacity means enough staff able to handle patients... Since most elective surgeries are on hold, amount nurses etc. have been reduced.... Thus "capacity"
Posted by: It's me donna at November 30, 2020 06:04 PM (Zmnko)

To make money and keep going, I believe hospitals are supposed to operate close to maximum capacity- around 85-90%. Empty beds = $0.00
Posted by: Pres. Elect LASue at November 30, 2020 06:12 PM (Ed8Zd)

Way back when, the system in which I work had decided to open a floor that had been closed (due to lack of patients) for Covid. That was during the anticipated surge in the Spring.

Nobody got parked in one of those beds. Not once. So they closed it down again.

Reopened a couple weeks ago, and now has less than 50% of the beds filled. If it stays that way, the administration is going to close down at least SOME of those beds, if not the whole floor. Provided they can isolate Covid cases that DO come in.

So yeah, capacity is bullshit. Always is.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 30, 2020 06:19 PM (hku12)

230 224 OT from election woes:

The monolith in Utah has vanished, but another has popped up in Europe. Romania.

Theories. Copycat? The new Banksy rolling out performance art? Aliens?
Posted by: LizLem at November 30, 2020 06:18 PM (IUFR3)

Elon Musk.

Posted by: IC - Call me Madam President-Elect at November 30, 2020 06:19 PM (a0IVu)

231 My dad - whom I've given up on as anyone remotely attached to reality - is walking around almost giddy with relief, because the vaccine is coming. He's 66, and up until the 'Rona I considered quite sane - just bit with the typical Boomer Leftist reality force field. He's so glad that the vaccine will get everything back to normal.

It does not occur to him - and I've long since quit trying to show him - that nothing is ever going back to normal. Governors will not end these soft martial laws. Corporate vendors like Kroger, Home Depot, and so on and so forth will not stop these face diaper mandates. Airlines are falling over themselves to announce they're self-declared vaccine requirements to use air travel ever again.

First - the excuse will be because the vaccine hasn't been distributed enough. Then, the excuse will be just a few more weeks out of an abundance of caution. Then, they'll explain that this vaccine - which by their numbers killed less than one percent of those who caught it - will still allow ten percent of those that encounter the vaccine to catch it - and their death watch will then begin. Until that number is zero, it simply won't be good enough.

This genie is not going back in the bottle. I've grown sick of trying to warn people, and pointing out every time the goalposts are moved. I'll settle for mocking - when this vaccine is deemed mandatory by the powers that be - and movie theaters and bars are STILL empty while everyone still walks around with that stupid face diaper. I'll be happy, if nothing else, laughing at the misery of others.

Posted by: Always Be Lurking at November 30, 2020 06:19 PM (PwmMm)

232 Don't take COVID-19 vaccine if you are allergic to COVID-19 vaccine.

Posted by: wth at November 30, 2020 06:19 PM (v0R5T)

233 If the Republicans think they will be allowed to stay in the Uniparty I tell them to look at Illinois home of the surrender Republicans who went along with everything Democrats wanted as they presented Republican voters with no reason to vote for them as Dems chipped away at Republican strong holds and now there are hardly any left. One party state.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 30, 2020 06:15 PM (+2o5B)

Then they just switch their jersey to "Dem". It isn't like most "Republican" politicians are really all that principled. It is just for the moment being a "Republican" is the easier way for them to go.

Posted by: Bete at November 30, 2020 06:20 PM (Ojki1)

234 It varies by facility, but yeah ICUs need to have 90%+, typically, to not lose money, and overall hospital usually needs to be close to 80% full for the same reason.

I've given up even trying to follow the idiocy of such a cretinized, ignorant country society on all this, but for months now, state officials and sometimes municipal, or hospital people, have stoked panic and tried to justify their ridiculous ineffective "mitigation" nonsense by citing numbers just like this.

Confirming the lack of ethics of the "elites", and their well-founded contempt for the ignorance and passivity of most of the populace.

In San Diego, a major hospital chain CEO sent out a panic signal, only to be busted by a leak from inside his own organization to a local independent watchdog twatter personality. It was head-shakingly pathetic, and revealing.

In AZ, an independent observer busted the entire state health dept. for their distorted hospitalization numbers. And so on, and on, across the country.

To greater or lesser degree, nearly every institution and large entity in the country at war with the truth and with the population.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 30, 2020 06:20 PM (OTzUX)

235 Bonus, we'll confiscate your 401k's along with the gold in your teeth before we gas you.

Gas, comrade? Gas is expensive, letting you beat each other to death for scraps while starving in fun camps is more economical. We learned from your anderonville.

Posted by: Commisar of Good Healh at November 30, 2020 06:20 PM (aQgQm)

236 I think that we need to get a Scotus win in PA. These legislators aren't heros. They have families and don't want to get dead or at the very least harassed and canceled for the rest of their lives by every institution they've come to depend on.

I understand why you'd say this.. I do. But when are they going to start fearing us.. they people that put them there?
You'd think at some point we'd have a say?

Posted by: Inogame - Trump Won at November 30, 2020 06:20 PM (+2xjH)

237 Safely resting in Arlington covid free

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 30, 2020 06:08 PM (OVEfo)

good, but that turn of phrase sounded bad at first.

Posted by: Quint at November 30, 2020 06:11 PM (ZbBR3)

LOL, yeah just realized that. Well we all gotta go sometime. Have ya ever tried to park at Arlington?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 30, 2020 06:13 PM

OH! Good! So I can take my hat off my heart and put it back on?

Posted by: Diogenes at November 30, 2020 06:20 PM (axyOa)

238 The "good news". The FAA is authorizing and coordinating the first mass-transport of a Vaccine by means of Passenger Jets.

The "bad news". The FAA has chartered the newly re-certified Boeing 737-MAX fleet for the aforementioned flights.

Might or might not be true, but this report needs to Go Viral, merely by self-definition.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at November 30, 2020 06:18 PM (QzJWU)

Got a friend that flew the MAX beforehand. Says the planes are fine. Pilots from 3rd world shitholes that shouldn't have been flying anything crashed them because of course they did.

They do require some significant training, yes. Do they crash at will? No. Not by a long shot.

Posted by: Sponge - Office of the President Elect at November 30, 2020 06:21 PM (Zz0t1)

239 217 The tipoff: the Democrats wanted vote-by-mail. Just like they want felons to be able to vote, they want PR and DC to get statehood, they want to pack the Supreme Court.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 30, 2020 06:11 PM (YqDXo)

Vassal State, a simple vassal state, that's all they want.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 30, 2020 06:21 PM (CZm2G)

240 224 OT from election woes:

The monolith in Utah has vanished, but another has popped up in Europe. Romania.

Theories. Copycat? The new Banksy rolling out performance art? Aliens?
Posted by: LizLem at November 30, 2020 06:18 PM (IUFR3)

Autist performance art

Someone got to the Utah monolith and it wasn't anything special or odd. Hollow like a box, one guy said.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Trump WON, buy guns at November 30, 2020 06:22 PM (ifmtJ)

241 Rubber pants babe looks bored.

Posted by: wth at November 30, 2020 06:22 PM (v0R5T)

242 hey, at least John McCain is covid free.

Posted by: IC - Call me Madam President-Elect at November 30, 2020 06:22 PM (a0IVu)

243 Have ya ever tried to park at Arlington?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 30, 2020 06:13 PM (OVEfo)

at Arlington, yeah, it is a beotch. the lanes are a joke and you have to pay up. Some parts of Arlington city are worse though.

Posted by: Quint at November 30, 2020 06:16 PM (ZbBR3)

I meant at the Cemetary on a hot day

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 30, 2020 06:17 PM (OVEfo)

to be honest, I don't have to park. I can go where I need to go. But yeah, I have parked there while visting or touring. The parking lot is very tight and a pain. that is what I meant when I said the lanes are a joke. I didn't say it well.

My tip for anyone there on a hot day in the Summer is don't try to walk to the Tomb of Unknowns. Get the trolley pass unless you want family and friends to have heat stroke walking up hills for no good reason.

Posted by: Quint at November 30, 2020 06:22 PM (ZbBR3)

244 And they are 100% opposed to electronic voting systems for the same reason, it hinders their methods of fraud. I can only imagine how giddy they are that Trump is now rallying his supporters to their cause
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at November 30, 2020 06:15 PM (CQ3Qb)

Yeah, Chicago would like to have a word with you on that..

Posted by: Inogame - Trump Won at November 30, 2020 06:22 PM (+2xjH)

245 These legislators aren't heros.

Somebody needs to be.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at November 30, 2020 06:22 PM (dNzKv)

246 I spoke with a Covid nurse last week. She said HCQ worked better than Remdesivir, but they can't get HCQ any more.

I'm thinking we could get all the HCQ we needed if it weren't for globalists messing with supply.

Posted by: President-elect Emmie at November 30, 2020 06:22 PM (ofYez)

247 Speaking of Newsom, I saw some patriots on the corner with a Recall Newsom sign. I was going to try to make it back over after the market, but shined it after standing in line for 10 minutes to get in CODE PURPLE and having blown off the bank that had a line halfway around the block CODE PURPLE and wanted to go bring my poor mother her 94th B-Day present while I still could visit because CODE PURPLE.

Fuck, this is ALL just in preparation for socialism. Get Americans used to standing in line for every little fucking thing. Oh, sorry comrade, you want window C, we cannot process your request for bread here. This is for flour only.

I'll find that petition and sign it. We dumped Davis over a fuck of a lot less than this.

Posted by: clutch cargo now with 7% more FUCKITOL at November 30, 2020 06:22 PM (8B6Ng)

248 108 The Republican leaders of the Pennsylvania House of Representatives announced late Saturday that they will not be returning to session this year, a move that would appear to preclude any possibility of lawmakers interceding in the 2020 election.

House Speaker Bryan Cutler, R-Quarryville, and Majority Leader Kerry Benninghoff, R-Bellefonte, released a joint statement saying that they would not be calling their chamber to Harrisburg on Monday, the final possible day for the 2019-20 session of the Legislature to meet.

"We are physically unable to consider any new legislation before the end of session," they wrote in the statement. "A simple resolution takes three legislative days for consideration and a concurrent resolution takes five legislative days to move through both chambers, which means we do not have the time needed to address any new resolutions in our current session."

Surrender Republicans giving away PA. They refuse to take any steps to fight. If it were Biden fighting for the state the state Dems would be fighting tooth and nail for it.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 30, 2020 06:01 PM (+2o5B)

I am not worried about this. If SCOTUS declares the mail in unconstitutional these guys will get their asses session to deal with it.

Or they would be kicked out of office forever.

They were never going to act unilaterally anyways. This is just the politically viable way of chickening out.

PA depends on SCOTUS

Posted by: havelhavolim at November 30, 2020 06:22 PM (fLpTX)

249 Don't take COVID-19 vaccine if you are allergic to COVID-19 vaccine.
Posted by: wth at November 30, 2020 06:19 PM (v0R5T)

If you find an eleventh or twelveth toe or finger, please contact your doctor immediately.

Posted by: Sponge - Office of the President Elect at November 30, 2020 06:22 PM (Zz0t1)

250 LOL, how is the FAA "supporting the first mass air shipment of a vaccine" ?
Allowing the airplane to take off and land ? Not getting a Hawaiian Judge to issue an injunction ?

Reminds me of Chief Engineers I've known.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 TRUMP WON! at November 30, 2020 06:23 PM (/On2j)

251 OT from election woes:

The monolith in Utah has vanished, but another has popped up in Europe. Romania.

Theories. Copycat? The new Banksy rolling out performance art? Aliens?

Posted by: LizLem at November 30, 2020 06:18 PM

***

Social Media diversion to take attention away from the politics.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 30, 2020 06:23 PM (axyOa)

252 Don't take COVID-19 vaccine if you are allergic to COVID-19 vaccine.
Posted by: wth at November 30, 2020 06:19 PM (v0R5T)

My Covid 19 vaccine has resulted in death, but I don't see that on the list of possible side effects.

Should I stop taking it?

Posted by: BurtTC at November 30, 2020 06:23 PM (hku12)

253 At the hearing:

That chick in the black leather pants wearing a peacoat.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 30, 2020 06:23 PM (CZm2G)

254 Because I'm ready to spit nails, listening to Levine explain how all the knuckleheads about Pa State law and how they all got it wrong including the Leftist hacks on the Pa SC.

Posted by: Skip at November 30, 2020 06:24 PM (9sWOw)

255 LOL, how is the FAA "supporting the first mass air shipment of a vaccine" ?
Allowing the airplane to take off and land ? Not getting a Hawaiian Judge to issue an injunction ?

Reminds me of Chief Engineers I've known.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 TRUMP WON! at November 30, 2020 06:23 PM (/On2j)

Ha! Had the same thought. Wow!!! FAA accepts filed flight plans for cargo plane!

Posted by: Diogenes at November 30, 2020 06:24 PM (axyOa)

256 Did anybody else experience this? I was trying to watch a couple of college football games this weekend, one was Stanford-California, on ABC & ESPN and the announcerS kept going off on how wonderful these games would not longer be called a "Civil War". They kept on bringing up racial & social justice to the point I turned them off.

It was also nauseating when the Fox halftime show brought up how wonderful the Sarah Fuller stunt was. Nobody had the balls to disagree.

Their is nothing left in culture that the Progressives haven't ruined...

June 26, 2020: Pac-12 Football: Oregon-Oregon State Drop 'Civil War' Name to Rivalry

The annual football game between the Ducks and Beavers has been called the Civil War for nearly 90 years. Games in other sports involving the two schools had begun using that monicker as well.

Oregon athletic director Rob Mullens said former Oregon quarterback Dennis Dixon was among the leaders in calling for a change in the Civil War name...
...Former Beavers stars Steven Jackson and Ken Simonton were among the Oregon State leaders in the move to drop the reference that is offensive to African Americans and many Americans...

...This announcement is another example of people and organizations responding to the need for greater awareness and sensitivity regarding issues of racial injustice...

..."Changing this name is overdue as it represents a connection to a war fought to perpetuate slavery," said OSU President Ed Ray. "While not intended as reference to the actual Civil War, OSU sports competition should not provide any misconstrued reference to this divisive episode in American history. That we did not act before to change the name was a mistake. We do so now, along with other important actions to advance equal opportunity and justice for all and in recognition that Black Lives Matter."...

Posted by: BetaCuck4Life at November 30, 2020 06:24 PM (FBrfY)

257
PA depends on SCOTUS

So you're saying I should hope the Germany computer voting shoot out with the CIA/DOD is true?

Posted by: It's me donna at November 30, 2020 06:24 PM (Zmnko)

258 I guess it's too much to ask to have even one election/vote fraud related post per day
Posted by: Shoey at November 30, 2020 06:17 PM (hmNVd)

That's what the comments section is for. Unless it's a Food Thread. Or a Gub Thread. Or a Pets...you get the idea.

Posted by: Gaelic Girl's Irish Democracy at November 30, 2020 06:24 PM (5FCda)

259 What are the odds the vaccine causes sterility, but they're not testing for that........

Posted by: Sponge - Office of the President Elect at November 30, 2020 06:24 PM (Zz0t1)

260 I want my CCP Plague vaccine and I want it now.

not moderna

Posted by: Braenyard at November 30, 2020 06:25 PM (CZm2G)

261 hey, at least John McCain is covid free.
Posted by: IC - Call me Madam President-Elect at November 30, 2020 06:22 PM (a0IVu)

Somebody pointed out today that everybody that Trump tweets "Get Well Soon" to, dies. McCain, Joan Rivers, RBG and... Biden.

Fingers crossed.

Posted by: clutch cargo now with 7% more FUCKITOL at November 30, 2020 06:25 PM (8B6Ng)

262 236 I think that we need to get a Scotus win in PA. These legislators aren't heros. They have families and don't want to get dead or at the very least harassed and canceled for the rest of their lives by every institution they've come to depend on.

I understand why you'd say this.. I do. But when are they going to start fearing us.. they people that put them there?
You'd think at some point we'd have a say?
Posted by: Inogame - Trump Won at November 30, 2020 06:20 PM (+2xjH)

We are good people. We need to pray.

And if we lose G-d forbid we need to get to work at radicalizing local politics from the ground up.

Check out Braynard's organization.

This is the way.

Posted by: havelhavolim at November 30, 2020 06:25 PM (fLpTX)

263 .....And I just bookmarked a twitter feed. lel

Posted by: bat nationalist at November 30, 2020 06:25 PM (vPzhp)

264
Note to convenience stores, gas stations, truck stops, etc. Don't ever not have coffee available. Cleaning one or two of the things is one thing, having nothing at all is another.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 30, 2020 06:25 PM (JmArR)

265 They are already signaling that they will try Climate Change Lockdowns to save the earth.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at November 30, 2020 06:26 PM (Njz03)

266 I can only imagine how giddy they are that Trump is now rallying his supporters to their cause.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at November 30, 2020 06:15 PM (CQ3Qb)

Opposing computer algorithms that improperly tally votes is not being "against electronic voting systems".
.
Trump supporters are for electronic voting, mail in voting, paper ballots or any other voting method that is honest and reports results properly.

They are against, electronic voting, mail in voting, paper ballots or any other voting method that is dishonest and reports results improperly.

The alleged fraud hindering electronic voting system is at the center of the most blatantly and openly fraudulent election in American history

It's not exactly covering itself in fraud-limiting glory.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at November 30, 2020 06:26 PM (rN0IE)

267 Pocket full of poseys >> COVID-19 vaccine

Posted by: Archer at November 30, 2020 06:26 PM (gmo/4)

268 Is it just me, or does anyone else see the irony of using the Chinese Communist Party's spy tool, ZOOM, to conduct the hearings to figure out how fucked we are due to the Chinese?

Posted by: Martini Farmer - Now a Pirate, Hoisting the Black Flag at November 30, 2020 06:26 PM (3H9h1)

269 Break, break, break,
On thy cold gray stones, O Sea!
And I would that my tongue could utter
The thoughts that arise in me.

O, well for the fisherman's boy,
That he shouts with his sister at play!
O, well for the sailor lad,
That he sings in his boat on the bay!

Posted by: Lord Alfred, Dr. Bone at November 30, 2020 06:26 PM (a7pmO)

270
..."Changing this name is overdue as it represents a connection to a war fought to perpetuate slavery," said OSU President Ed Ray. "While not intended as reference to the actual Civil War, OSU sports competition should not provide any misconstrued reference to this divisive episode in American history. That we did not act before to change the name was a mistake. We do so now, along with other important actions to advance equal opportunity and justice for all and in recognition that Black Lives Matter."...
Posted by: BetaCuck4Life at November 30, 2020 06:24 PM (FBrfY)

This is dumbassery. The Civil War was NOT fought to perpetuate slavery, you fucknut. It actually had very little to do with slavery itself.

FUCK I hate what the left is doing to my country.

Posted by: Sponge - Office of the President Elect at November 30, 2020 06:26 PM (Zz0t1)

271 I am not worried about this. If SCOTUS declares the mail in unconstitutional these guys will get their asses session to deal with it.

Or they would be kicked out of office forever.

They were never going to act unilaterally anyways. This is just the politically viable way of chickening out.

PA depends on SCOTUS
Posted by: havelhavolim at November 30, 2020 06:22 PM (fLpTX)
------------

I find your faith charming. Misplaced, but charming.

Posted by: WisRich at November 30, 2020 06:26 PM (qKfc+)

272 I'm thinking we could get all the HCQ we needed if it weren't for globalists messing with supply.
Posted by: President-elect Emmie at November 30, 2020 06:22 PM (ofYez)

Nobody significantly gets their beak wet.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at November 30, 2020 06:26 PM (s7OCY)

273 What are the odds the vaccine causes sterility, but they're not testing for that........
Posted by: Sponge - Office of the President Elect at November 30, 2020 06:24 PM (Zz0t1)

Oh no. What a devastating effect that would have on my life. If I became sterile.

Cuz I'm knockin' 'em up, all up and down the line these days.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 30, 2020 06:26 PM (hku12)

274 it is my own phraseology. When I say at Arlington, I mean the cemetery. When I say park in Arlington I mean the city, or area. I was not clear there as it is just how I use the terms.

Posted by: Quint at November 30, 2020 06:27 PM (ZbBR3)

275 The big enchilada is "climate change". Because it could provide the means to control virtually all behavior and consumption.

Yep. I make a point of correcting any liberals who refer to "climate change," informing them that the correct term is "global warming."

I love to watch liberals cringe when I say that.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

I've really come to hate the whole "Global Warming" scam that has been perpetrated on us for years.
CO2 changes by a hundred ppm in the atmosphere, and the climate is wrecked. Even though CO2 only adsorbs at certain narrow wavelengths of Infra-red.

And water vapor, which is orders of magnitude more abundant in the atmosphere, accounts for the vast majority of the actual "greenhouse" atmospheric effect that makes the Earth warm enough to be habitable.

Many may recall that we have had "ice ages" in the past, where most of the water in the world is either tied up in vast glacier sheets or in the ocean, and the world became MUCH COLDER. Why, I wonder?
Freeze out most of the water vapor, and suddenly the atmosphere does not hold in heat to make the world habitable.

CO2 is a minor player in the actual atmosphere effects the make this planet livable.

We don't know why ice ages started or ended, but I would speculate that our Sun is actually more variable in output over several million years time span than we know.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....unfrozen caveman moron at November 30, 2020 06:27 PM (ZCiJZ)

276 > He's 66, and up until the 'Rona I considered quite sane - just bit with the typical Boomer Leftist reality force field. He's so glad that the vaccine will get everything back to normal.

Now I will tell you the answer to my question. It is this. The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from the oligarchies of the past in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just around the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be safe and healthy. We are not like that. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not implement a lockdown in order to protect society from a disease; one creates the disease in order to justify the lockdown. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now you begin to understand me.

Posted by: O'Brien, maybe at November 30, 2020 06:28 PM (9p+wn)

277 But should the people of America once become capable of that deep
simulation towards one another, and towards foreign nations, which
assumes the language of justice and moderation, while it is practising
iniquity and extravagance, and displays in the most captivating manner
the charming pictures of candour, frankness, and sincerity, while it is
rioting in rapine and insolence, this country will be the most miserable
habitation in the world. Because we have no government, armed with
power, capable of contending with human passions, unbridled by morality
and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge and licentiousness would break
the strongest cords of our Constitution, as a whale goes through a
net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at November 30, 2020 06:28 PM (JWCyv)

278 Am I reading this right?

Based on Modera's study only .6% of those that get the virus have mild symptoms and only 0.1% get serious symptoms? Or to put it another way 99.3% of those infected with the virus have NO symptoms.

What possible reason do we have to do ANYTHING because of this virus?

Posted by: MAGA (stop the steal link in this nic) at November 30, 2020 06:28 PM (cMXNt)

279 At the hearing:

That chick in the black leather pants wearing a peacoat.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 30, 2020 06:23 PM (CZm2G)
......

I bet when she scooches around a little it makes some righteous fart noises.

Posted by: wth at November 30, 2020 06:28 PM (v0R5T)

280
Oh no. What a devastating effect that would have on my life. If I became sterile.

Cuz I'm knockin' 'em up, all up and down the line these days.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 30, 2020 06:26 PM (hku12)

Me neither. But we're not the real target audience, now are we?

Kids are not really effected by Covid, yet they'll not be allowed back into school if they don't get the "vaccine."

Posted by: Sponge - Office of the President Elect at November 30, 2020 06:29 PM (Zz0t1)

281 Dominion machines don't tally votes they calculate them.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 30, 2020 06:29 PM (CZm2G)

282 Watching this AZ hearing is so infuriating. Where in the fuck is Barr and the FBI? Jesus - this is so obvious a coup. And not a well-organized one, just a massive, in your face one.

Folks we are fucked in the ass right now if this type of testimony is getting crickets out of the DOJ and FBI.

Posted by: Eli Cash at November 30, 2020 06:29 PM (SScvq)

283 Pocket full of poseys > Truvada >> COVID-19 vaccine

Posted by: wth at November 30, 2020 06:29 PM (v0R5T)

284 Completely O/T but AOL frontpage has a story up about Biden being certified by AZ.

Certified while the AZ hearings on their vote fraud were going on.

Posted by: t-bird at November 30, 2020 06:29 PM (Vhoaq)

285 255 LOL, how is the FAA "supporting the first mass air shipment of a vaccine" ?
Allowing the airplane to take off and land ? Not getting a Hawaiian Judge to issue an injunction ?

Reminds me of Chief Engineers I've known.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 TRUMP WON! at November 30, 2020 06:23 PM (/On2j)

Ha! Had the same thought. Wow!!! FAA accepts filed flight plans for cargo plane!
Posted by: Diogenes at November 30, 2020 06:24 PM (axyOa)
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I'm not here to defend the FAA but I did read that they gave the airlines a waiver on the amount of dry ice they can carry. To keep the vaccine cold, they need to carry five times the amount the FAA allows.

Posted by: WisRich at November 30, 2020 06:30 PM (qKfc+)

286 What are the odds the vaccine causes sterility, but they're not testing for that........
Posted by: Sponge - Office of the President Elect at November 30, 2020 06:24 PM (Zz0t1)

I think Western civilization is doing a pretty good job of that on its own. But if it lowers the testosterone of the average male by a considerable percentage, makes it easier to roll over us, doesn't it? Judging from every damn time I go on the interwebz or TV, we're more than halfway there.

Posted by: clutch cargo now with 7% more FUCKITOL at November 30, 2020 06:30 PM (8B6Ng)

287 > The "bad news". The FAA has chartered the newly re-certified Boeing 737-MAX...

As a large-ish shareholder in Boeing, I find your lack of faith in the MAX, disturbing.

Posted by: Martini Farmer - Now a Pirate, Hoisting the Black Flag at November 30, 2020 06:30 PM (3H9h1)

288 Is it just me, or does anyone else see the irony of using the Chinese Communist Party's spy tool, ZOOM, to conduct the hearings to figure out how fucked we are due to the Chinese?
Posted by: Martini Farmer - Now a Pirate, Hoisting the Black Flag at November 30, 2020 06:26 PM (3H9h1)

Among the various things that came up on a recent Skype call with family, the fact that I am not installing any Zoom software on any of my machines.

They all looked at me as if I was crazy. The ones I could see on camera, that is. The ones I couldn't see, they were thinking it. My anime wifu said so.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 30, 2020 06:30 PM (hku12)

289 ..Got a friend that flew the MAX beforehand. Says the planes are fine. Pilots from 3rd world shitholes that shouldn't have been flying anything crashed them because of course they did.

They do require some significant training, yes. Do they crash at will? No. Not by a long shot.

Posted by: Sponge - Office of the President Elect at November 30, 2020 06:21 PM (Zz0t1)

You are 95% correct, but Boeing did completely fuck up the MAX in two significant ways:

1. The base-level MAX avionics featured a one-channel MCAS system, which proved wholly inadequate, as it could not "cross-check" itself as the four-channel system can, and does. The four channel system WAS an extra-cost option, but is now standard, and factory-retrofitted to the entire fleet.

2. Boeing failed utterly in NOT mandating two hours of Simulator time to completely train the MCAS envelope, even in the previous one-channel world. ESPECIALLY in the previous one-channel world. Had the turd world pilots have received this training, things might not have augured in quite so predictably.

Concurrent with 2. The MAX does present a very different Center of Gravity and various aerodynamic pressures, as a result of it's higher-and farther forward engine positioning. That should've been in the Mandated Simulator Time, as well. Just because. It wasn't as deadly an oversight as the lack of MCAS training, but it WAS an oversight, and is corrected in the new re-cert.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at November 30, 2020 06:31 PM (QzJWU)

290 Levin after break said he was getting to Pa and US Supreme court.

Posted by: Skip at November 30, 2020 06:31 PM (9sWOw)

291 Posted by: Bozo Conservative....unfrozen caveman moron at November 30, 2020 06:27 PM (ZCiJZ)

A lot of their BS estimate is based on a feedback loop that definitely hasn't manifested and erroneous correlations from using C02 in glaciers to estimate C02 in the atmosphere in past eras. Turns out that those things aren't exactly vacuum sealed, but no one is going to revise their estimates because of it.

Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 30, 2020 06:31 PM (Zm+LZ)

292 Nothing, special, nothing out of the ordinary, but I caught the covid. I took a quercetin and zinc. Six hours later I took them again and in another half-hour it was gone. The covid test was positive.

Posted by: Delurk Ergo Sum at November 30, 2020 06:31 PM (YwPJG)

293 It's not just the media that was wrong about the vaccine

that keebler elf Fauci was too

Posted by: vmom Trump Won! at November 30, 2020 06:32 PM (nUhF0)

294 Is it just me, or does anyone else see the irony of using the Chinese Communist Party's spy tool, ZOOM, to conduct the hearings to figure out how fucked we are due to the Chinese?
Posted by: Martini Farmer - Now a Pirate, Hoisting the Black Flag at November 30, 2020 06:26 PM (3H9h1)

Irony? It's almost a felony and an indictment of America Culture. We're not allowed to use it in the Military

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 30, 2020 06:32 PM (OVEfo)

295 Concurrent with 2. The MAX does present a very different Center of Gravity and various aerodynamic pressures, as a result of it's higher-and farther forward engine positioning. That should've been in the Mandated Simulator Time, as well. Just because. It wasn't as deadly an oversight as the lack of MCAS training, but it WAS an oversight, and is corrected in the new re-cert.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at November 30, 2020 06:31 PM (QzJWU)

You obviously have a LOT more information than I do on the situation.

Posted by: Sponge - Office of the President Elect at November 30, 2020 06:32 PM (Zz0t1)

296 Dominion machines don't tally votes they calculate them.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 30, 2020 06:29 PM (CZm2G)

And that's why Dominion is claiming that trade secrets would be given away by forensic searches. If they just counted, what could possibly be given away in the code?

Posted by: clutch cargo now with 7% more FUCKITOL at November 30, 2020 06:32 PM (8B6Ng)

297 Oh no. What a devastating effect that would have on my life. If I became sterile.

Cuz I'm knockin' 'em up, all up and down the line these days.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 30, 2020 06:26 PM (hku12)

Me neither. But we're not the real target audience, now are we?

Kids are not really effected by Covid, yet they'll not be allowed back into school if they don't get the "vaccine."
Posted by: Sponge - Office of the President Elect at November 30, 2020 06:29 PM (Zz0t1)

Ok, serious response then... if Gates is involved, then I think it's a legit question to ask. Have you at least TESTED for sterility?

Posted by: BurtTC at November 30, 2020 06:32 PM (hku12)

298 The Civil War was NOT fought to perpetuate slavery, you fucknut. It actually had very little to do with slavery itself.

Eh, if you read the individual states' Ordinance of Secession, slavery is front and center. I know there is a lot of nuance to this topic, and there were a lot of arguments about individual states that chose to join the Union should be free to exit the Union. There were many other arguments as well, but again, read the declarations. Slavery is issue numero uno.

Posted by: bonhomme at November 30, 2020 06:33 PM (UW2ZS)

299 236 I think that we need to get a Scotus win in PA. These legislators aren't heros. They have families and don't want to get dead or at the very least harassed and canceled for the rest of their lives by every institution they've come to depend on.

Completely disagree. WTF did they run for office if they can't make the decisions that are required? They don't get all that lucre just to keep a seat warm. DO. YOUR FUCKING JOBS, PUSSIES. Then go home and cry to your gay husband about all the death threats for all I care. Do you're goddamn jobs.

Posted by: Eli Cash at November 30, 2020 06:33 PM (SScvq)

300 ..."Changing this name is overdue as it represents a connection to a war fought to perpetuate slavery," said OSU President Ed Ray. "While not intended as reference to the actual Civil War, OSU sports competition should not provide any misconstrued reference to this divisive episode in American history. That we did not act before to change the name was a mistake. We do so now, along with other important actions to advance equal opportunity and justice for all and in recognition that Black Lives Matter."...

He seems to be rather niggardly with his use of logic.

Posted by: G'rump928(C) at November 30, 2020 06:34 PM (yQpMk)

301 So is the Pfizer vaccine the one that has to be stored at the temperature of the dark side of the moon?

Posted by: wth at November 30, 2020 06:34 PM (v0R5T)

302 Glad to hear I'm not missing anything by completely dropping any televised sports of any kind from my universe (they weren't a big part for decades, already).

Can't imagine watching sportsball and having to put up with the idiotic racist-totalitarian Gleichschaltung humiliation of this garbage from the "schools" and announcers.

Why not just find a BLM meeting or rally to attend?

Posted by: rhomboid at November 30, 2020 06:34 PM (OTzUX)

303 Trump Vaccine = MAGA-cine

Not mine. I heard it on the Chris Stigall Show podcast

Posted by: JackDorseyIsMyClockHolster at November 30, 2020 06:34 PM (aeH5I)

304 @278
None, it's a scam, been apparent for 10 months but here we are fucking various and sundry chickens.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 30, 2020 06:34 PM (htI5H)

305 The annual football game between the Ducks and Beavers has been called
the Civil War for nearly 90 years. Games in other sports involving the
two schools had begun using that monicker as well.

----
so many questions here. How exactly is the US Civil War offensive? Do the players know the meaning of the term civil war? Do they know there were many civil wars before ours and many since? Do they know Oregon was not involved in the Civil War for good reason? Do I know i am wasting my time?

Posted by: Quint at November 30, 2020 06:34 PM (ZbBR3)

306
The Navy used to be capable of fighting shipboard fires.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr

The USN used to use a lot of asbestos too.

Coincidence? I think not!

Posted by: AZ deplorably isolated at November 30, 2020 06:34 PM (gtatv)

307 301 So is the Pfizer vaccine the one that has to be stored at the temperature of the dark side of the moon?
Posted by: wth at November 30, 2020 06:34 PM (v0R5T)
---------

I think so.

Posted by: WisRich at November 30, 2020 06:34 PM (qKfc+)

308
Ok, serious response then... if Gates is involved, then I think it's a legit question to ask. Have you at least TESTED for sterility?
Posted by: BurtTC at November 30, 2020 06:32 PM (hku12)

Not since I found out that the vasectomy I had 8 or 9 years ago failed........

Posted by: Sponge - Office of the President Elect at November 30, 2020 06:35 PM (Zz0t1)

309 Moderna is the one most Dr offices will use because you can freeze in a regular freezer and lasts 30 days unlike Pfizer that must be stored super cold storage most Offices don't have the capability or want to buy storage that can handle it.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at November 30, 2020 06:35 PM (dKiJG)

310 218 I guess it's too much to ask to have even one election/vote fraud related post per day
Posted by: Shoey at November 30, 2020 06:17 PM (hmNVd)

Things are heating up and nearing climax.

In about month or so I'd say. I'll certainly cease and desist for the ONT and in the art thread because seriously an art thread mad respect

Posted by: havelhavolim at November 30, 2020 06:35 PM (fLpTX)

311
Watching this AZ hearing is so infuriating. Where in the fuck is Barr
and the FBI? Jesus - this is so obvious a coup. And not a
well-organized one, just a massive, in your face one. Folks we are fucked in the ass right now if this type of testimony is getting crickets out of the DOJ and FBI.
Posted by: Eli Cash at November 30, 2020 06:29 PM (SScvq)

Because they're in on it. The FBI and DOJ aren't doing anything because they want Trump gone as well.

Some people here still refuse to get it. "We" - us right here, the proles, everybody so low on the totem pole as to be commenting here, we will never be allowed to overwhelm the wishes of the GOP and DNC - commonly and correctly called The UniParty - via the ballot box ever again. Whomever that was up-thread talking about "radicalizing local politics" - that person doesn't understand how this shit works. "They" - The UniParty - OWN the means of politics. They own how the ballots are counted. They own who will be allowed to be inside the political class. They own which choices we will be presented, and they just showed you that they don't mind correcting you when you make the incorrect choice.

We are not self governing anymore. Go ahead - call your congressman as somebody suggested. They. Don't. Care. And they don't have to. They owe us nothing. They are in charge. Not us.

Posted by: Always Be Lurking at November 30, 2020 06:35 PM (PwmMm)

312 George SoS is a piece of shit. another one that needs the boiling oil treatment.

Posted by: IC - Call me Madam President-Elect at November 30, 2020 06:36 PM (a0IVu)

313 Ok, serious response then... if Gates is involved, then I think it's a legit question to ask. Have you at least TESTED for sterility?
Posted by: BurtTC at November 30, 2020 06:32 PM (hku12)

Not since I found out that the vasectomy I had 8 or 9 years ago failed........
Posted by: Sponge - Office of the President Elect at November 30, 2020 06:35 PM (Zz0t1)

I meant the vaccine makers, are they testing for this, but since they're zipping right past human trials, we already know the answer is no, they aren't.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 30, 2020 06:37 PM (hku12)

314 I briefly attempted to explain the spyware aspect of Zoom to some people I know, but receiving the usual dumb hamster look in response, I gave up.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 30, 2020 06:37 PM (OTzUX)

315 Eh, if you read the individual states' Ordinance of Secession, slavery is front and center. I know there is a lot of nuance to this topic, and there were a lot of arguments about individual states that chose to join the Union should be free to exit the Union. There were many other arguments as well, but again, read the declarations. Slavery is issue numero uno.
Posted by: bonhomme at November 30, 2020 06:33 PM (UW2ZS)

It was more the whole government overreach thing, slavery being the final straw. Thus it being front and center, but no, it's not WHY they fought.

Posted by: Sponge - Office of the President Elect at November 30, 2020 06:37 PM (Zz0t1)

316 Among the various things that came up on a recent Skype call with family, the fact that I am not installing any Zoom software on any of my machines.

They all looked at me as if I was crazy. The ones I could see on camera, that is. The ones I couldn't see, they were thinking it. My anime wifu said so.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 30, 2020 06:30 PM (hku12)

Skype is iffy enough. Zoom is just insane. But one thing I've noticed with the younger set - they just don't care. It's sort of like "well, I already do W and Y, so what difference does X make?"

They all have androids and alexa, have google help, use voice commands for everything, have mapping and tell all their new apps it's ok to access your photos, videos, camera, mic, contacts and GPS coordinates.

And wonder why as soon as the say, wanna get ice cream? They see a coupon for Breyer's pop up on their notifications.

Posted by: clutch cargo now with 7% more FUCKITOL at November 30, 2020 06:37 PM (8B6Ng)

317 I bet when she scooches around a little it makes some righteous fart noises.
Posted by: wth at November 30, 2020 06:28 PM

Would you have her contact information?

Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Eric Swalwell at November 30, 2020 06:37 PM (DMUuz)

318 I am not worried about this. If SCOTUS declares the mail in unconstitutional these guys will get their asses session to deal with it.

Or they would be kicked out of office forever.

They were never going to act unilaterally anyways. This is just the politically viable way of chickening out.

PA depends on SCOTUS
Posted by: havelhavolim at November 30, 2020 06:22 PM (fLpTX)

THIS.

Legislators are going to legislate, and they will also try to fob off politically difficult decisions to bodies that are unaccountable to the voters. This is the reason why SCOTUS is so valuable to politicians.

Nobody is going to act until Team Trump gets their case in front of a sympathetic judge.

Five or six of them, actually.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at November 30, 2020 06:37 PM (4tiP2)

319 So.
Overwhelming proof of fraud.

But I don't know if Rudy is making the case.

Because, if I'm a legislator facing insane pressure to do nothing and hiding like a coward in the crowd of the rest of the legislators, I just don't see Trump giving them a reason to literally put their lives in the line.

His presentation is bogging down in penny-ante proof, it seems.

Yes, I know 11k flips AZ--but FFS please focus on that; how outrageous allowing this fraud to stand will be.

And its just, well, making more of a case to fix it next time not for punishment now.

Posted by: RoyalOil at November 30, 2020 06:37 PM (CMfER)

320
I meant the vaccine makers, are they testing for this, but since they're zipping right past human trials, we already know the answer is no, they aren't.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 30, 2020 06:37 PM (hku12)

My original point.

Posted by: Sponge - Office of the President Elect at November 30, 2020 06:37 PM (Zz0t1)

321 Posted by: G'rump928(C) at November 30, 2020 06:34 PM (yQpMk)

Do you really have to?

Posted by: bonhomme at November 30, 2020 06:37 PM (UW2ZS)

322 287 The "bad news". The FAA has chartered the newly re-certified Boeing 737-MAX...

As a large-ish shareholder in Boeing, I find your lack of faith in the MAX, disturbing.
Posted by: Martini Farmer - Now a Pirate, Hoisting the Black Flag at November 30, 2020 06:30 PM

No worries. Because passengers might be skittish about flying on a 737-MAX, Boeing renamed the plane the 737-8. Marketing problem solved!

Posted by: Delurk Ergo Sum at November 30, 2020 06:37 PM (YwPJG)

323 A lot of their BS estimate is based on a feedback loop that definitely hasn't manifested and erroneous correlations from using C02 in glaciers to estimate C02 in the atmosphere in past eras. Turns out that those things aren't exactly vacuum sealed, but no one is going to revise their estimates because of it.
Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West

They use iterative differential equations on super computers to solve fluid dynamics problems for thousands of "partitioned" segments of the atmosphere, to demonstrate a dynamic model for heat and gas flow.

I would bet that a cursory examination by real mathematicians and software writers would show that their solution method (numerical method) for solving the differential equation is that their solution is "unbounded", and by design, the results will "run away" with the expected result.

Which is why they can't recapitulate past temperature /climate measurements by running the program backwards. It ALWAYS runs away.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....unfrozen caveman moron at November 30, 2020 06:38 PM (ZCiJZ)

324 People scanning signatures that were not matching what they were scanning in and there was a banner on the screen that said Low confidence level. All these signatures were counted. Then a power outage happens and magically the banner reads high confidence.
Yep, that's probably when the percentage drops to 40% acceptance as being an acceptable level just what Las Vegas did

Posted by: redridinghood at November 30, 2020 06:38 PM (NpAcC)

325 Anyone being arrested yet? Correction: anyone not on our side being arrested yet?

Posted by: Nckate at November 30, 2020 06:38 PM (rEqap)

326 Pfizer is really cool
Moderna is really microsoft

Posted by: Braenyard at November 30, 2020 06:38 PM (CZm2G)

327 301 So is the Pfizer vaccine the one that has to be stored at the temperature of the dark side of the moon?
Posted by: wth at November 30, 2020 06:34 PM (v0R5T)

It is being shipped with Dry Ice, and it only lasts 5 Days,

I hear that it hurts like hell because when you get shot it's still at that Temp

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at November 30, 2020 06:39 PM (dKiJG)

328 Got a plan b?

Cause we're cucking out.

Posted by: GOPe state legislatures at November 30, 2020 06:40 PM (i7tmW)

329 It's The War Between the Schools, sir!

It's the war of the wussy mascots, sir!

Posted by: Archer at November 30, 2020 06:40 PM (gmo/4)

330 327 301 So is the Pfizer vaccine the one that has to be stored at the temperature of the dark side of the moon?
Posted by: wth at November 30, 2020 06:34 PM (v0R5T)

It is being shipped with Dry Ice, and it only lasts 5 Days,

I hear that it hurts like hell because when you get shot it's still at that Temp
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at November 30, 2020 06:39 PM (dKiJG)
---------

Talk about ice in your veins! Yikes.

Posted by: WisRich at November 30, 2020 06:40 PM (qKfc+)

331 315 Eh, if you read the individual states' Ordinance of Secession, slavery is front and center. I know there is a lot of nuance to this topic, and there were a lot of arguments about individual states that chose to join the Union should be free to exit the Union. There were many other arguments as well, but again, read the declarations. Slavery is issue numero uno.
Posted by: bonhomme at November 30, 2020 06:33 PM (UW2ZS)

It was more the whole government overreach thing, slavery being the final straw. Thus it being front and center, but no, it's not WHY they fought.
Posted by: Sponge - Office of the President Elect at November 30, 2020 06:37 PM (Zz0t1)

It's in their declaration of causes. The arguments about government overreach ring hollow, it's not like the Fugitive slave law involved ransacking the homes of Southerners. Furthermore, in the period prior to the Civil War the South held control of the federal government as the opposing political party had dissolved.

The only potentially credible harm would be in relation to tariffs, and allocation of subsidies and government graft. But in both cases, the Southern aristocracy, which was also in effect their political class, was fully on board, doing nothing to change the state of affairs while in power.

Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 30, 2020 06:40 PM (Zm+LZ)

332 >>> 305 The annual football game between the Ducks and Beavers has been called the Civil War for nearly 90 years. Games in other sports involving the two schools had begun using that monicker as well.

Semi related to that name changed, Bountiful high school in Utah voted today to no longer have their mascot be the Braves. Will rename next year.

The Running Utes in SLC, at U of U, set up specific relationships and scholarships so they can retain the name with the Ute tribe blessing. Not all are so lucky.

Posted by: LizLem at November 30, 2020 06:41 PM (IUFR3)

333 "Where are these opened ballots coming from?"

Shaddup

Posted by: Braenyard at November 30, 2020 06:41 PM (CZm2G)

334 I missed that Oregon was a state at that time, that is on me. It is that i never heard of any Oregon unit fighting in the Civil War, and to be honest, I never think much about Oregon. They did have a unit that fought Indians around that time. I guess they were certainly the "bad guys" then as the yutes today would see it.

Posted by: Quint at November 30, 2020 06:41 PM (ZbBR3)

335 Posted by: BurtTC at November 30, 2020 06:30 PM (hku12)

Skype is iffy enough. Zoom is just insane. But one thing I've noticed with the younger set - they just don't care. It's sort of like "well, I already do W and Y, so what difference does X make?"

They all have androids and alexa, have google help, use voice commands for everything, have mapping and tell all their new apps it's ok to access your photos, videos, camera, mic, contacts and GPS coordinates.

And wonder why as soon as the say, wanna get ice cream? They see a coupon for Breyer's pop up on their notifications.
Posted by: clutch cargo now with 7% more FUCKITOL at November 30, 2020 06:37 PM (8B6Ng)

Which then kinda makes it understandable that they don't care. It's already here, and they've come out of the womb being tracked every which way, so what difference does Zoom or Tik Tok make at this point.

I was looking for a certain specific type of kitchen appliance recently. Started looking on Ebay, and then damn, wouldn't you know it, Amazon sent me direct email links to the African-American Friday sale of the very same type of appliance.

How does that work. I wonder.....

Posted by: BurtTC at November 30, 2020 06:41 PM (hku12)

336 >>> The big enchilada is "climate change". Because it could provide the means to control virtually all behavior and consumption.

The "elites" have shown their ignorance, malevolence, and totalitarian impulse. <<<

The entire enviro-weenie movement is driven by the above impulses, plus arrogance, ego, and delusions of God-hood.

They seem to believe the Earth has always been like it is today. That no plants or animals became extinct until we evil homo sapiens came on the scene. That the Earth's climate was unchanged for billions of years, until we evil homo sapiens began burning fossil fuels a hundred years ago.

Therefore, to return Earth to the paradise it was for billions of years (in their minds), evil homo sapiens must take immediate and drastic corrective actions. And guess what? Only they - the pure of heart and protectors of Mother Gaia - know what those actions must be.

What a bunch of waterheads. They are so ignorant they probably believe humans caused dinosaur extinction. They have no idea about plate tectonics and the incalculable forces involved; to them climate change causes earthquakes and volcanic eruptions.

But their ignorance doesn't end there. They are equally ignorant of being used by the people and organizations who plan to make trillions of dollars from the green energy scam.

If they want to follow the science, they should learn some science and learn to think for themselves.

Posted by: Gref at November 30, 2020 06:41 PM (AMIL/)

337 Do they know Oregon was not involved in the Civil War for good reason? Do I know i am wasting my time?
Posted by: Quint at November 30, 2020 06:34 PM (ZbBR3)

I think any of the horrific "comedy" bits that Jesse Watters has done on college campuses is all anybody needs to know. Anything that happened before 1995 is a mystery wrapped in a riddle wrapped in an enema.

Posted by: clutch cargo now with 7% more FUCKITOL at November 30, 2020 06:42 PM (8B6Ng)

338 Biden won 477 counties vs Obama who won 689, yet Biden magically gained 13 million more votes than Obama? Seems cromulent.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 30, 2020 06:42 PM (r+sAi)

339 Oh my lord!

Rudy! Stop with these "I have concerns" witnesses!!!

Either they saw actual evidence of fraud or they are useless:
Actual legit votes not being counted
Actual fraudulent vote being counted

You know what "rules weren't followed" gets you?

"Gosh, nothing a little more training next time can't fix"

Gah!!

Posted by: RoyalOil at November 30, 2020 06:43 PM (CMfER)

340 >>Biden won 477 counties vs Obama who won 689, yet Biden magically gained 13 million more votes than Obama? Seems cromulent.

What is the avg Voter Population Increase each 4 Years?

Posted by: garrett at November 30, 2020 06:44 PM (H96By)

341 The HCQ study is interesting. The main weakness I see is that the "control" or reference group (untreated) were not age or co-morbidity matched to the test group. Clicking through to the actual on-line published version I cannot find any documentation of demographics or severity of illness at initial presentation. There could be other factors besides the treatment regimen accounting for the difference in deaths.

Certainly provocative conclusions though.

Posted by: Muldoon at November 30, 2020 06:44 PM (m45I2)

342
330 327 301 So is the Pfizer vaccine the one that has to be stored at the temperature of the dark side of the moon?
Posted by: wth at November 30, 2020 06:34 PM (v0R5T)

It is being shipped with Dry Ice, and it only lasts 5 Days,

I hear that it hurts like hell because when you get shot it's still at that Temp
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at November 30, 2020 06:39 PM (dKiJG)
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Talk about ice in your veins! Yikes.
Posted by: WisRich at November 30, 2020 06:40 PM (qKfc+)

-97 Fahrenheit being put into you is going to hurt like hell.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at November 30, 2020 06:45 PM (dKiJG)

343 Re: sidebar

LOL. What did Erick Erikkkson do to get branded a Nazi?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at November 30, 2020 06:45 PM (Njz03)

344 "316 Among the various things that came up on a recent Skype call with family, the fact that I am not installing any Zoom software on any of my machines.

They all looked at me as if I was crazy. The ones I could see on camera, that is. The ones I couldn't see, they were thinking it. My anime wifu said so.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 30, 2020 06:30 PM (hku12)

Skype is iffy enough. Zoom is just insane. But one thing I've noticed with the younger set - they just don't care. It's sort of like "well, I already do W and Y, so what difference does X make?"

They all have androids and alexa, have google help, use voice commands for everything, have mapping and tell all their new apps it's ok to access your photos, videos, camera, mic, contacts and GPS coordinates.

And wonder why as soon as the say, wanna get ice cream? They see a coupon for Breyer's pop up on their notifications.

Posted by: clutch cargo now with 7% more FUCKITOL at November 30, 2020 06:37 PM (8B6Ng)"

Feature, not bug, as far as they're concerned, amirite ?

It's like the Inner Party of Airstrip One getting everyone to pay them for installing the telescreen, with a monthly surcharge for surveillance services.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 TRUMP WON! at November 30, 2020 06:45 PM (/On2j)

345 I am late to this thread, but is the general consensus to take the vaccine or pass? I have no desire to shoot government germs in my veins.

Posted by: Mookie at November 30, 2020 06:46 PM (3vIkC)

346 How does that work. I wonder.....
Posted by: BurtTC at November 30, 2020 06:41 PM (hku12)

Cookies have become insidious as fuck, and it's even more depressing that they've got them to function cross-platform. Well really, the AI keeping track of you. I do my best to shut them out, but it really is virtually impossible. The worst part is people think that their social media DM's are off limits for some reason, when they're used to learn everything about you.

Posted by: clutch cargo now with 7% more FUCKITOL at November 30, 2020 06:46 PM (8B6Ng)

347 -97 Fahrenheit being put into you is going to hurt like hell.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at November 30, 2020 06:45 PM (dKiJG)

Just ask Mrs. Freeze.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at November 30, 2020 06:46 PM (Njz03)

348 Anyone here down with the lingo "Ls"?

I see people using it and I have no idea what it means. It is generally used in the context of someone's social media crap.

Posted by: banana Dream at November 30, 2020 06:46 PM (l6b3d)

349 We don't know why ice ages started or ended, but I would speculate that our Sun is actually more variable in output over several million years time span than we know.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative.

Or the changes in the Earth's orbit and spin in relation to the sun. We experience 'climate change' 4 times a year ( outside the Tropics ) because of the orbit and tilt. Why not in larger-scale time periods?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 30, 2020 06:46 PM (VsHYs)

350 >>>How does that work. I wonder.....
Posted by: BurtTC at November 30, 2020 06:41 PM (hku12)

At the hearing a computer expert said if one computer is connected they all are connected.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 30, 2020 06:46 PM (CZm2G)

351 >>-97 Fahrenheit being put into you is going to hurt like hell.

Just realx.

You are going to fall a small prick...

Posted by: Dr Fauci at November 30, 2020 06:47 PM (H96By)

352 Moderna stock also shot up again today,

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at November 30, 2020 06:47 PM (dKiJG)

353 So is the Pfizer vaccine the one that has to be stored at the temperature of the dark side of the moon?

Posted by: wth at November 30, 2020 06:34 PM (v0R5T)

It is being shipped with Dry Ice, and it only lasts 5 Days,

I hear that it hurts like hell because when you get shot it's still at that Temp

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at November 30, 2020 06:39 PM (dKiJG)

---------

Talk about ice in your veins! Yikes.

Posted by: WisRich at November 30, 2020 06:40 PM (qKfc+)

-97 Fahrenheit being put into you is going to hurt like hell.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at November 30, 2020 06:45 PM (dKiJG)

If temperatures normally found on earth kill your medicine, how exactly does it survive long enough in your system to accomplish anything?

Posted by: Methos at November 30, 2020 06:47 PM (kOpft)

354 341 The HCQ study is interesting. The main weakness I see is that the "control" or reference group (untreated) were not age or co-morbidity matched to the test group. Clicking through to the actual on-line published version I cannot find any documentation of demographics or severity of illness at initial presentation. There could be other factors besides the treatment regimen accounting for the difference in deaths.

Certainly provocative conclusions though.
Posted by: Muldoon at November 30, 2020 06:44 PM (m45I2)

I know you're a medical guy, you're completely on the ball about what you want to see in the control though. Common issue in studies is not recognizing that you want the two samples to be as similar as possible to isolate the cause of differences, the null hypothesis of no difference is inherently silly if samples aren't identical. Using two random samples of sufficient size it's possible to "prove" that a placebo has positive effects when compared to the same placebo.

Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 30, 2020 06:47 PM (Zm+LZ)

355 330 327 301 So is the Pfizer vaccine the one that has to be stored at the temperature of the dark side of the moon?
Posted by: wth at November 30, 2020 06:34 PM (v0R5T)

It is being shipped with Dry Ice, and it only lasts 5 Days,

I hear that it hurts like hell because when you get shot it's still at that Temp
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at November 30, 2020 06:39 PM (dKiJG)
---------

Talk about ice in your veins! Yikes.
Posted by: WisRich at November 30, 2020 06:40 PM (qKfc+)

-97 Fahrenheit being put into you is going to hurt like hell.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at November 30, 2020 06:45 PM (dKiJG)
-------------

I have a kid who takes migraine shots. They keep it pretty cold for storage but take it out about 30 minutes before its administered. Maybe they'll do the same thing with the vaccine.

Posted by: WisRich at November 30, 2020 06:47 PM (qKfc+)

356 Bountiful high school in Utah voted today to no longer have their mascot be the Braves. Will rename next year.

With only 46% of BHS students getting a passing reading proficiency rating on state tests, and 45% in math, I imagine they have better things to work on.

Posted by: bonhomme at November 30, 2020 06:47 PM (UW2ZS)

357 Because fewer drivers due to covid (and therefore fewer claims), I'm getting 10% off my next insurance monthly premium. I am so glad USAA took the time to send me a letter telling me that I'm getting a $7.30 credit on my next bill.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 30, 2020 06:47 PM (KAi1n)

358 What is it that the "global reset" folks brag about? "You won't own anything, you won't have any privacy, and you will never have been happier".

The kids will swoon over this.

Posted by: Mookie at November 30, 2020 06:48 PM (3vIkC)

359 Oh my lord! Rudy! Stop with these "I have concerns" witnesses!!!

Posted by: RoyalOil at November 30, 2020 06:43 PM (CMfER)

Rudy's problem is that he's a lawyer. A lawyer will always assure you that any problem can be rectified by the proper administration of the law. But no coup or putsch in history has ever been rebuffed or turned back in a courtroom. The losers are often paraded around in a courtroom - but only because the matter had already been decidedly settled one way or the other.

Posted by: Always Be Lurking at November 30, 2020 06:48 PM (PwmMm)

360 Trump cure has extremely bad connotations if you're a WILDCARDS fan.

Posted by: Dr. Tachyon at November 30, 2020 06:48 PM (rT8i4)

361 >>-97 Fahrenheit

At -94 it's lethal.

Posted by: garrett at November 30, 2020 06:48 PM (H96By)

362 Biden's real signal accomplishment was "winning" while losing 16 of the 17 bellwether counties that have correctly chosen the winner 95% of the time since *1960*, and 5 times got it 100% right just since Reagan's re-election in '84.

Having a serious (completely predicted) erosion across WI vs. 2016, and yet more than making up for it in 3 counties, with increases never ever before seen in such a race, also helped.

I've given up on this topic too, but as previously stated ad nauseam, Stepien and the data team surely have a data presentation that would make it impossible for any serious observer to conclude the official voting results in several states are legit.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 30, 2020 06:48 PM (OTzUX)

363 I hear that it hurts like hell because when you get shot it's still at that Temp
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio

***********

This makes no sense. You can't inject a solid with a syringe.

Posted by: Muldoon at November 30, 2020 06:48 PM (m45I2)

364 339 Oh my lord!

Rudy! Stop with these "I have concerns" witnesses!!!

Either they saw actual evidence of fraud or they are useless:
Actual legit votes not being counted
Actual fraudulent vote being counted

You know what "rules weren't followed" gets you?

"Gosh, nothing a little more training next time can't fix"

Gah!!
Posted by: RoyalOil at November 30, 2020 06:43 PM (CMfER)

They know all that though. That's why this chos n strategy isn't meant to overturn anything, but to make Biden seem illigitimate while Trump runs on it for the next four years without having to say he lost. Consequences be damned.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at November 30, 2020 06:48 PM (CQ3Qb)

365 356 Bountiful high school in Utah voted today to no longer have their mascot be the Braves. Will rename next year.

How about the Cowards?

Posted by: It's me donna at November 30, 2020 06:48 PM (Zmnko)

366 - I do my best to shut them out, but it really is virtually impossible. The worst part is people think that their social media DM's are off limits for some reason, when they're used to learn everything about you.
Posted by: clutch cargo now with 7% more FUCKITOL at November 30, 2020 06:46 PM (8B6Ng)

Remember what Nancy said, 'Just say no'.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 30, 2020 06:49 PM (CZm2G)

367 @342
Wouldn't something that cold being injected as a depot cause localized tissue damage?

This is all bullshit.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 30, 2020 06:49 PM (htI5H)

368 Ok. I absolutely LOVE this.

They'll likely get sued for it, but it's still epic.....

Buffalo Restaurant Puts Up 'Walmart' Sign to Protest Democrat Despot Andrew Cuomo's Royal Edicts: 'Every Day is Black Friday'

Posted by: Sponge - Office of the President Elect at November 30, 2020 06:49 PM (Zz0t1)

369 I'm drinking a loooong shot of Woodruff Special Blend.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at November 30, 2020 06:49 PM (lgiXo)

370 Seriously, though.

How many more voters are there in a typical 4 year span?

Do we see an increase of 1% or 10%.

Posted by: garrett at November 30, 2020 06:49 PM (H96By)

371 I see that Scogg Dog-under another handle has turned up for his evening session of how "we" don't get it, but he knew all along.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 30, 2020 06:50 PM (WkPC9)

372 -99 is a pubic enemy

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at November 30, 2020 06:50 PM (PUmDY)

373 Because fewer drivers due to covid (and therefore fewer claims), I'm getting 10% off my next insurance monthly premium. I am so glad USAA took the time to send me a letter telling me that I'm getting a $7.30 credit on my next bill.
Posted by: SFGoth at November 30, 2020 06:47 PM (KAi1n)

When they could've just put a "NOTICE" on the top of your next bill explaining the rebate.

Posted by: Sponge - Office of the President Elect at November 30, 2020 06:50 PM (Zz0t1)

374 If Trump had only hidden in the basement, this devastating Covid pandemic would not have occurred.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 30, 2020 06:50 PM (CTJwJ)

375 in

Posted by: DB- just DB. at November 30, 2020 06:51 PM (iTXRQ)

376 I saw Pubic Enemy open for Run DMC at The Bronco Bowl in '92.

Posted by: Sponge - Office of the President Elect at November 30, 2020 06:51 PM (Zz0t1)

377 356 Bountiful high school in Utah voted today to no longer have their mascot be the Braves. Will rename next year.

How about the Cowards?
Posted by: It's me donna at November 30, 2020 06:48 PM (Zmnko)

Chicken Shits it is.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at November 30, 2020 06:51 PM (s7OCY)

378 At the hearing a computer expert said if one computer is connected they all are connected.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 30, 2020 06:46 PM (CZm2G)

And people can't even begin to wrap their heads around the IOT. Almost every damn appliance/gadget is going to be one soon. I'm not really keen on my fucking washer and dryer for instance... and people clamor to turn their entire place into a smart home. Yeah, I want everything that has electricity, batteries, water or gas to potentially be controlled by somebody else.

Posted by: clutch cargo now with 7% more FUCKITOL at November 30, 2020 06:51 PM (8B6Ng)

379 I am pretty darned sure I've already been exposed to it back in February, gotten pretty sick over the course of 4 days, did everything wrong due to thinking it was the normal flu.
So I have antibodies, but I can't prove it.

Posted by: attila the temporarily reasonable at November 30, 2020 06:51 PM (w7KSn)

380 I see Cap'n Ahab is on her pretty much daily quest for her own personal Moby Dick. Here, on this doll, show me where the bad poster touched you.

Posted by: Always Be Lurking at November 30, 2020 06:51 PM (PwmMm)

381 The only potentially credible harm would be in
relation to tariffs, and allocation of subsidies and government graft.
But in both cases, the Southern aristocracy, which was also in effect
their political class, was fully on board, doing nothing to change the
state of affairs while in power.

Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 30, 2020 06:40 PM (Zm+LZ)

It is a never ending argument as there were many causes and many more reasons individuals on both sides chose to fight. I have been called a dummy here for stating slavery was the main cause of the war. It was the essential factor that if it did not exist, there would have never been a war. I came to that pretty clear conclusion after a crap load of study to be honest. Without slavery, no war, it is that simple.

Now that does not mean most Confederates joined to preserve slavery and even more so, most Yankees did not join to end slavery. The war did end it, but that became an official war aim long after the war started. And even when the war was being raged, you had Union soldiers from slave states such as MD, Delaware, West Virginia, Missouri, and Kentucky fighting the Confederates. Lincoln could not free any slaves in those states, that had to be done by Congress and it happened later.

This is a heated and complicated argument. I know people grew up with this stuff and it has been passed down for generations. But yeah, I admit it, no slavery, no Civil War. OF course this deserves a longer discussion, but it is not like it has not come up here before.

Posted by: Quint at November 30, 2020 06:52 PM (ZbBR3)

382 Oh my lord! Rudy! Stop with these "I have concerns" witnesses!!!

Posted by: RoyalOil at November 30, 2020 06:43 PM (CMfER)

Rudy's
problem is that he's a lawyer. A lawyer will always assure you that any
problem can be rectified by the proper administration of the law. But
no coup or putsch in history has ever been rebuffed or turned back in a
courtroom. The losers are often paraded around in a courtroom - but only
because the matter had already been decidedly settled one way or the
other.

Posted by: Always Be Lurking at November 30, 2020 06:48 PM (PwmMm)

Poll observers exist for a reason. If they aren't convinced the election process was on the up and up, there's no reason to accept the results. While courts and then legislatures are the next step in this process, we shouldn't assume they're the last if they fail.

Posted by: Methos at November 30, 2020 06:52 PM (kOpft)

383 So if you've already had it, and therefore have the antibodies, do they require you to get the vaccine?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 30, 2020 06:52 PM (oVJmc)

384 Not that I give a rat's ass about Eric with a k (for kkk), but I laughed at the fact that nearly half the commenters replying to his tweet are *leftists* laughing at him and reveling in the fact that he's being punished. It's sweet like honey.

Posted by: ... at November 30, 2020 06:52 PM (mjO4F)

385 Rudy! Stop with these "I have concerns" witnesses!!!

Either they saw actual evidence of fraud or they are useless:
Actual legit votes not being counted
Actual fraudulent vote being counted

You know what "rules weren't followed" gets you?

"Gosh, nothing a little more training next time can't fix"

Gah!!
Posted by: RoyalOil at November 30, 2020 06:43 PM (CMfER)

So, reasonable doubt has no place here?

Posted by: Sponge - Office of the President Elect at November 30, 2020 06:52 PM (Zz0t1)

386 So I have antibodies, but I can't prove it.
Posted by: attila the temporarily reasonable at November 30, 2020 06:51 PM (w7KSn)

You could if you went and had the antibody test.

Posted by: Sponge - Office of the President Elect at November 30, 2020 06:53 PM (Zz0t1)

387 I missed that Oregon was a state at that time, that
is on me. It is that i never heard of any Oregon unit fighting in the
Civil War, and to be honest, I never think much about Oregon. They did
have a unit that fought Indians around that time. I guess they were
certainly the "bad guys" then as the yutes today would see it.

Posted by: Quint at November 30, 2020 06:41 PM

This is what they're really trying to distance themselves from, the original Oregon Constitution:
https://tinyurl.com/yct8wvyq

Posted by: Bert G at November 30, 2020 06:53 PM (OMsf+)

388 The morning and early afternoon witnesses were extremely compelling. The computer and math experts for example.

The poll watchers experiences speak to the disenfranchisement of the voters. Anytime poll watchers are not allowed to properly complete their work fraud is suspected, and fraud disenfranchises legal voters. I cant think of a more compelling argument for the SCOTUS to pick up these lawsuits.

These witnesses btw are very brave people.

Posted by: FloridachickTrump WON at November 30, 2020 06:53 PM (ZODIr)

389 Seriously, is Rudy trying to throw this?

Or is this just a show?

You are asking for a remedy that will spark outrage yet you're barely touching on the most outrageous aspects of this

Posted by: RoyalOil at November 30, 2020 06:53 PM (CMfER)

390 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 30, 2020 06:50 PM (WkPC9)

CBD is going to grab him by the scruff of the neck and...

Posted by: Braenyard at November 30, 2020 06:54 PM (CZm2G)

391 The Pfizer vaccine is RNA based. RNA is inherently unstable in solution at room temperature and will denature (fall apart) if kept at room temperature for some time, therefore must stored and shipped at super cold temperatures.. There is however, ample time to thaw the vaccine, inject it and have the RNA incorporated into the body's cells, where it is able to use the cell's own machinery to manufacture the necessary viral proteins and trigger the immune response.

Posted by: Muldoon at November 30, 2020 06:54 PM (m45I2)

392 365 356 Bountiful high school in Utah voted today to no longer have their mascot be the Braves. Will rename next year.

How about the Cowards?

Posted by: It's me donna at November 30, 2020 06:48 PM (Zmnko)

Nah, it will be "Genociders." So that the white kids are continually reminded they are evil scum, and the non-white kids are continually reminded they must hate the white kids.

Posted by: Gref at November 30, 2020 06:54 PM (AMIL/)

393 gop in the house also picked up 14 seats so far. some mighty big coattails for someone not winning.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 30, 2020 06:54 PM (r+sAi)

394 Posted by: rhomboid at November 30, 2020 06:48 PM (OTzUX)

I wonder if it matters. What I mean is - either this goes to SCOTUS or it doesn't, and either we're as ruthless as leftists when we have a majority or we aren't.

Posted by: ... at November 30, 2020 06:54 PM (mjO4F)

395 Yeah, I want everything that has electricity, batteries, water or gas to potentially be controlled by somebody else.

They will monitor you, comrade, and offer helpful "suggestions" to reduce your energy usage and save the planet. You don't have to comply, but demand-based pricing will ensure you pay 10 times the regular price of electricity. For starters.

Posted by: Mookie at November 30, 2020 06:54 PM (3vIkC)

396 Wouldn't a substance at minus 97f kill the tissue it came in contact with?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at November 30, 2020 06:55 PM (kTF2Z)

397 381 ...
This is a heated and complicated argument. I know people grew up with this stuff and it has been passed down for generations. But yeah, I admit it, no slavery, no Civil War. OF course this deserves a longer discussion, but it is not like it has not come up here before.
Posted by: Quint at November 30, 2020 06:52 PM (ZbBR3)

I know the 'threadwinner' comment is usually for funny stuff, but this was well said.

Nominated

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Trump WON, buy guns at November 30, 2020 06:55 PM (ifmtJ)

398 Chicken Shits it is.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at November 30, 2020 06:51 PM

Objection! Chicken shit is useful.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 30, 2020 06:55 PM (rBtIz)

399 Antibodies fade over time, usually. So testing at any particular time may not confirm past infection, even if it occurred. There may be t-cell or other kinds of enduring response evidence that would suffice to show infection, dunno - maybe Muldoon does?

Posted by: rhomboid at November 30, 2020 06:55 PM (OTzUX)

400 AOP-

Welcome back to Windy Arizona!

Posted by: DBCooper at November 30, 2020 06:55 PM (y1Mvi)

401 Insurrection act. now.

https://tinyurl.com/yyhz66og

GOP congresswoman-elect wants to form Republican 'Squad' called 'The Force'

Posted by: bat nationalist at November 30, 2020 06:55 PM (vPzhp)

402 The primary cause was a bunch of states hated the outcome of an election and chose to secede. Hell, some Southern states only seceded because the USA drew up an Army to put down other Southern states. Again, lots of causes, but you can't get there without slavery being the key issue.

The irony is few in the North chose to fight to free slaves. They had other reasons that many today can't seem to comprehend.

Posted by: Quint at November 30, 2020 06:55 PM (ZbBR3)

403 389 Seriously, is Rudy trying to throw this?

Or is this just a show?

You are asking for a remedy that will spark outrage yet you're barely touching on the most outrageous aspects of this
Posted by: RoyalOil at November 30, 2020 06:53 PM (CMfER)

What do you consider to be the most outrageous aspects?

Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 30, 2020 06:55 PM (Zm+LZ)

404 Still live here?

Posted by: Skip at November 30, 2020 06:55 PM (9sWOw)

405 Royal, Brian and Scogg are cousins.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 30, 2020 06:56 PM (CZm2G)

406 We can never fight the War of Southern Butthurt often enough.

Posted by: garrett at November 30, 2020 06:56 PM (H96By)

407 I'm drinking a loooong shot of Woodruff Special Blend.
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker
------

[counters with a dram of Woodford Reserve]

Take that , Mr. Woofruff.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 30, 2020 06:56 PM (AytXr)

408 You don't have to comply, but demand-based pricing will ensure you pay 10 times the regular price of electricity. For starters.
Posted by: Mookie at November 30, 2020 06:54 PM (3vIkC)

And since they know exactly when you run what when, you'll ALWAYS be running said appliances during peak demand and pay higher prices for the privilege.

Posted by: clutch cargo now with 7% more FUCKITOL at November 30, 2020 06:56 PM (8B6Ng)

409 Poll observers exist for a reason. If they aren't
convinced the election process was on the up and up, there's no reason
to accept the results. While courts and then legislatures are the next
step in this process, we shouldn't assume they're the last if they fail.
Posted by: Methos at November 30, 2020 06:52 PM (kOpft)

Well, that's the trick, now isn't it. In this vaunted Two Party System scam - the idea is that one party keeps the other from cheating. In this case, we've got one party that really doesn't seem to give a damn. And between those two parties - they control every governmental lever of power in this country. The public controls nothing.

Posted by: Always Be Lurking at November 30, 2020 06:56 PM (PwmMm)

410 How come Sefton is the only coblogger on this site who is paying attention to the election fraud issues?

HOW COME ACE IS BLOWING OFF THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE IN POLITICS?

Is this the Drudgification of Ace of Spades HQ?

If not, why not?

Get off your ass, Ace.

Posted by: Captain Oblivious at November 30, 2020 06:56 PM (Astxw)

411 Ok. Every now and then Rudy pulls it back in focus; how bad it is.

But he seriously needs to get a rein on these witnesses

Posted by: RoyalOil at November 30, 2020 06:57 PM (CMfER)

412 GOP congresswoman-elect wants to form Republican 'Squad' called 'The Force'

Posted by: bat nationalist at November 30, 2020 06:55 PM (vPzhp)

I'm at the point where I believe people with an (R) after their name about as often as I believe ones with a (D). Which is to say roughly fucking Never minus Never times Never.

Posted by: ... at November 30, 2020 06:57 PM (mjO4F)

413 402 The primary cause was a bunch of states hated the outcome of an election and chose to secede. Hell, some Southern states only seceded because the USA drew up an Army to put down other Southern states. Again, lots of causes, but you can't get there without slavery being the key issue.

The irony is few in the North chose to fight to free slaves. They had other reasons that many today can't seem to comprehend.
Posted by: Quint at November 30, 2020 06:55 PM (ZbBR3)

The North's position is likewise easy to understand from their declaration of causes. Lincoln has a famous quote on the topic. The South started a conflict for the reasons they listed, which was primarily to preserver slavery, the North for their reason of preserving the Union. The men doing the fighting had their own reasons, but rarely are the soldiers there for the same reason the rulers are.

Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 30, 2020 06:57 PM (Zm+LZ)

414 406 We can never fight the War of Southern Butthurt often enough.
Posted by: garrett at November 30, 2020 06:56 PM (H96By)

Jah.

I read Shelby Foote's 'Civil War Narrative' once a year.

Always pick up some new detail each time I do it.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Trump WON, buy guns at November 30, 2020 06:57 PM (ifmtJ)

415 >>Is this the Drudgification of Ace of Spades HQ?

If not, why not?

>>Get off your ass, Ace.

Well. This should at least be entertaining.

Posted by: garrett at November 30, 2020 06:57 PM (H96By)

416 Among the various things that came up on a recent Skype call with family, the fact that I am not installing any Zoom software on any of my machines.

They all looked at me as if I was crazy. The ones I could see on camera, that is. The ones I couldn't see, they were thinking it. My anime wifu said so.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 30, 2020 06:30 PM (hku12)

I didn't talk to my family on Thanksgiving. I was invited to the zoom call; I informed them that I don't have it, and I don't want it on any of my devices, and I'd be happy to talk by email or regular phone.

Of course, having an iphone, I guess I'm a hypocrite, but I can't figure out how to get around that one yet.

Posted by: April at November 30, 2020 06:58 PM (OX9vb)

417 Short version of Levin's argument is the Pa SC blew their ruling of too late, the case couldn't come before them until harm was done otherwise it wouldn't have stranding if no harm was caused yet.

Posted by: Skip at November 30, 2020 06:58 PM (9sWOw)

418 What, we are " required" to get the vaccine?? Nah, I will pass on principle. I rermember principles. Quaint liittle things, some people thought they were important.

Posted by: tubal at November 30, 2020 06:58 PM (xyXKx)

419 Really should have woodshedded these witnesses, cross examined them.

Posted by: RoyalOil at November 30, 2020 06:58 PM (CMfER)

420 Well. This should at least be entertaining.

Posted by: garrett at November 30, 2020 06:57 PM (H96By)

Shhhh. It's like talking to your pitcher in the middle of a no-hitter.

Posted by: ... at November 30, 2020 06:58 PM (mjO4F)

421 407 I'm drinking a loooong shot of Woodruff Special Blend.
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker
------

[counters with a dram of Woodford Reserve]

Take that , Mr. Woofruff.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 30, 2020 06:56 PM (AytXr)

You've got Woodford Reserve?

*gets in line behind Mike*

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Trump WON, buy guns at November 30, 2020 06:58 PM (ifmtJ)

422 Is this the Drudgification of Ace of Spades HQ?

If not, why not?

Get off your ass, Ace.
Posted by: Captain Oblivious at November 30, 2020 06:56 PM (Astxw)

Concern troll says what now?

Posted by: motionview at November 30, 2020 06:58 PM (pYQR/)

423 We can never fight the War of Southern Butthurt often enough.
Posted by: garrett
--------
We'll always have Chickamauga.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, Unreconstructed Southerner at November 30, 2020 06:58 PM (vOGqy)

424 Lin Wood
@LLinWood

Maybe 1 of 3 GA Stooges @BrianKempGA
@GeoffDuncanGA
and @GaSecofState
could tell GA voters truth about the 1062 registered voters who live at one of 56 UPS stores in GA.

Maybe don't use Geoff to explain since he claims no evidence of voter fraud in GA.

Also need 3 resignations.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at November 30, 2020 06:59 PM (JWCyv)

425 402 The primary cause was a bunch of states hated the outcome of an election and chose to secede. Hell, some Southern states only seceded because the USA drew up an Army to put down other Southern states. Again, lots of causes, but you can't get there without slavery being the key issue.

The irony is few in the North chose to fight to free slaves. They had other reasons that many today can't seem to comprehend.
Posted by: Quint at November 30, 2020 06:55 PM (ZbBR3)

One might argue that Slavery was an excuse to exercise Federal Power over State rights and to settle the matter once and for all on beneficial moral grounds.

The problem is that in defeating one evil, you enable a far more insidious, hidden and potent one.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at November 30, 2020 06:59 PM (Njz03)

426 Posted by: Captain Oblivious at November 30, 2020 06:56 PM (Astxw)

But seriously go back to your she shed.

Posted by: ... at November 30, 2020 06:59 PM (mjO4F)

427 Concern troll says what now?
Posted by: motionview at November 30, 2020 06:58 PM (pYQR/)

===============

Not a concern troll. I say Trump was cheated and he can still win. This is worth giving a damn.

Posted by: Captain Oblivious at November 30, 2020 07:00 PM (Astxw)

428 I'm drinking a loooong shot of Woodruff Special Blend.
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker
------

[counters with a dram of Woodford Reserve]

Take that , Mr. Woofruff.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 30, 2020 06:56 PM (AytXr)

You've got Woodford Reserve?

*gets in line behind Mike*
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Trump WON, buy guns at November 30, 2020 06:58 PM (ifmtJ)

Hey!!! Not so close. Social distancing and all that.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 30, 2020 07:00 PM (axyOa)

429 And second part of Levin's argument is the US SC can't go blind on a state disregarding its constitutional rules as well as the US Constitution rules.

Posted by: Skip at November 30, 2020 07:00 PM (9sWOw)

430 And since they know exactly when you run what when, you'll ALWAYS be running said appliances during peak demand and pay higher prices for the privilege.

Posted by: clutch cargo now with 7% more FUCKITOL at November 30, 2020 06:56 PM (8B6Ng)

And the utilities will play along. Puke Energy here in Indiana is pure evil, and the PUC - you know, the "public" advocate (cough cough cough) - is right in their pocket. They will do whatever our overlords want them to do.

Posted by: Mookie at November 30, 2020 07:00 PM (3vIkC)

431 The North's position is likewise easy to understand from their declaration of causes. Lincoln has a famous quote on the topic. The South started a conflict for the reasons they listed, which was primarily to preserver slavery, the North for their reason of preserving the Union. The men doing the fighting had their own reasons, but rarely are the soldiers there for the same reason the rulers are.

Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 30, 2020 06:57 PM (Zm+LZ)

IIRC, at the start of the war or shortly after, Lincoln said, "To preserve the Union, I would free all of the slaves, some of the slaves, or none of the slaves."

Posted by: Gref at November 30, 2020 07:00 PM (AMIL/)

432 uh oh.

Posted by: x at November 30, 2020 07:01 PM (0tE/i)

433 I wonder "Why Always be Lurking" could possibly think I was talking about him. I wonder why that could possibly be?? !!LOL. Gotcha

I think you're a weenie to suggest you are the great , courageous man who knows it all politically speaking, but have to keep changing your nic. Just go back to the original one-stick with it- and I'll leave you alone.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 30, 2020 07:01 PM (WkPC9)

434 I'm drinking a loooong shot of Woodruff Special Blend.
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker
------

[counters with a dram of Woodford Reserve]

Take that , Mr. Woofruff.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 30, 2020 06:56 PM (AytXr)

Delicious

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at November 30, 2020 07:02 PM (lgiXo)

435 423 We can never fight the War of Southern Butthurt often enough.
Posted by: garrett
--------
We'll always have Chickamauga.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, Unreconstructed Southerner at November 30, 2020 06:58 PM (vOGqy)

And Gettysburg, and Vicksburg and

Posted by: tubal at November 30, 2020 07:02 PM (xyXKx)

436 Geez, another fucknugget bigmouth.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 30, 2020 07:03 PM (oVJmc)

437 And Gettysburg, and Vicksburg and
Posted by: tubal at November 30, 2020 07:02 PM (xyXKx)

Antietam.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at November 30, 2020 07:03 PM (Njz03)

438 BREAKING: #ArizonaHearing: "Are you willing to say under oath, that you've seen the connection to the internet, that you've seen it gone offshore to Frankfurt, Germany?"

Col. Waldron: "Yes, our "White" hat hackers, they have that traffic and the packets."

Frankfurt again.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at November 30, 2020 07:03 PM (JWCyv)

439 I think you're a weenie to suggest you are the great , courageous man who knows it all politically speaking, but have to keep changing your nic. Just go back to the original one-stick with it- and I'll leave you alone.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 30, 2020 07:01 PM (WkPC9)

You've also accused me of being a few different people. I don't get it.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at November 30, 2020 07:03 PM (CQ3Qb)

440 Well. This should at least be entertaining.

I just made a big batch of popcorn.

Posted by: Jewells45TRUMPWON! at November 30, 2020 07:04 PM (nxdel)

441 Germany is always a place to trust election results from.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at November 30, 2020 07:04 PM (Njz03)

442 437 And Gettysburg, and Vicksburg and
Posted by: tubal at November 30, 2020 07:02 PM (xyXKx)

Antietam.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at November 30, 2020 07:03 PM (Njz03)

And Cowpens - oh, wait

Posted by: tubal at November 30, 2020 07:04 PM (xyXKx)

443 Trump speaking to AZ conference

Posted by: FloridachickTrump WON at November 30, 2020 07:04 PM (ZODIr)

444 talk to me about this vaccine in a year or so... maybe longer. i'm not an anti-vaxer, just not overly trusting of a medication that's been rushed through the approval process. i've been in the pharmacy world for far to long to think otherwise.

besides, i'm not in the population cohort the ChiComs designed this bio-weapon to attack.

and i'm green on Vit-D, C, zinc and hematocrit, so it' not likely to affect me very much on the off chance i AM exposed, and i have none of the usual co-morbidities everyone talks about.

Posted by: redc1c4, Trump Won! at November 30, 2020 07:04 PM (k4JYR)

445 I think the reason ZOOM is so popular is twofold:

1) It's pretty much idiot-proof. Stupidly easy to set up or join a meeting. It handles lots of people with ease.
It looks the best.

2) Everyone else's version sucks or is hard to use, and-
Do you really think Apple's or Cisco's or Google's or Facebook's or Microsoft's or whoever's version is going to respect your privacy any better than ZOOM?

The people I talk to say 'No'. And they need an online meeting platform for work, so ZOOM it is.

I don't have to worry about such things in my work so, I got no dog in this fight.

Just wish I'd bought a bunch of Zoom stock a couple of years ago.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 30, 2020 07:04 PM (dWwl8)

446 Flip the switch and imagine Biden has lost and these are Democrat poll watchers telling their stories, this would be getting Worldwide coverage.

Posted by: redridinghood at November 30, 2020 07:05 PM (NpAcC)

447 Nood. Have not seen anyone call it.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at November 30, 2020 07:05 PM (Njz03)

448 429 And second part of Levin's argument is the US SC can't go blind on a state disregarding its constitutional rules as well as the US Constitution rules.

Posted by: Skip at November 30, 2020 07:00 PM (9sWOw)

It would be refreshing if, for a change, the Progressives were made to suffer consequences for breaking laws, cheating in elections, and lying about everything.

Posted by: Gref at November 30, 2020 07:05 PM (AMIL/)

449 Look at this tweet thread by Diana West: https://bit.ly/36qxf9j

All these "conservative" news outlets suppressing election fraud news:

Breitbart
Washington Times
Daily Caller
New York Post
Frontpage Mag
Washington Examiner

ALL OF THEM have abandoned the field.

Posted by: Captain Oblivious at November 30, 2020 07:06 PM (Astxw)

450 441 Germany is always a place to trust election results from.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at November 30, 2020 07:04 PM (Njz03)

They have past experience with tallies like 570,000 - 3,000.

Posted by: Mookie at November 30, 2020 07:06 PM (3vIkC)

451 One might argue that Slavery was an excuse to
exercise Federal Power over State rights and to settle the matter once
and for all on beneficial moral grounds.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at November 30, 2020 06:59 PM (Njz03)
"If I could save the Union without freeing any slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that." - Abraham Lincoln, 1862.

I just want those that love to talk about "The War of Southern Butthurt" - that by the same logic - you are never, ever allowed to leave the great experiment in Western Socialism that's getting ready to happen here. And if your state tries to, or if you attempt to flee to a state that does, you are wrong to do so. You may never leave. We are all in it together, forever. It's the Hotel California of Democracy.

Posted by: Always Be Lurking at November 30, 2020 07:06 PM (PwmMm)

452 Brian in New Orleans is extremely active tonite.

I wonder why we are getting so much doomed flack?

Posted by: FloridachickTrump WON at November 30, 2020 07:06 PM (ZODIr)

453 Trump speaking to AZ conference
Posted by: FloridachickTrump WON at November 30, 2020 07:04 PM (ZODIr)

Where?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 30, 2020 07:06 PM (WkPC9)

454 Zoom?? People love it, so it is here to stay. The absolutism of tech is nearly complete. We are Techs playthings now.

Posted by: tubal at November 30, 2020 07:07 PM (xyXKx)

455 Just wish I'd bought a bunch of Zoom stock a couple of years ago.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 30, 2020 07:04 PM (dWwl

Anyone check the records of King Swamp Rat Fauci on this front?

Posted by: Mookie at November 30, 2020 07:08 PM (3vIkC)

456 What do you consider to be the most outrageous aspects?
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1000s of fraudulent ballots were counted and gave Biden the win, stole the election from Trump

Posted by: RoyalOil at November 30, 2020 07:08 PM (CMfER)

457 Short version of Levin's argument is the Pa SC blew
their ruling of too late, the case couldn't come before them until harm
was done otherwise it wouldn't have stranding if no harm was caused
yet.

Posted by: Skip at November 30, 2020 06:58 PM (9sWOw)

The 5 Dems on the PA Supreme Court look to be nothing but leftist hacks. They'll say and rule any way to advance the Dem position.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 30, 2020 07:09 PM (dEXdx)

458 Posted by: Always Be Lurking at November 30, 2020 07:06 PM (PwmMm)

Have to agree with you on that one.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at November 30, 2020 07:09 PM (Njz03)

459 RSBN feed

Posted by: FloridachickTrump WON at November 30, 2020 07:09 PM (ZODIr)

460
I'm at the point where I believe people with an (R) after their name about as often as I believe ones with a (D). Which is to say roughly fucking Never minus Never times Never.
Posted by: ... at November 30, 2020 06:57 PM (mjO4F)

That's a lot of honks, bro.

Posted by: bat nationalist at November 30, 2020 07:11 PM (vPzhp)

461 Fen - you're on here at least once a night accusing someone of being "ScoggDog". Your thin veneer of nice and sweet as pie is wearing more than a bit thin.

Posted by: Always Be Lurking at November 30, 2020 07:12 PM (PwmMm)

462 Jah.

I read Shelby Foote's 'Civil War Narrative' once a year.

Always pick up some new detail each time I do it.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Trump WON, buy guns at November 30, 2020 06:57 PM (ifmtJ)

he was a talented novelist. Not saying he didn't write a really good series on the war. But there are some historians that can shed more light on the reasons and even on the battles themselves. I am more a battle and strategy guy, not so big on reasons, I am certainly no expert on the subject. Gary Galllager wrote a good book called The Union War. It is a a bit dry and repetitive, but it shows why most Union soldiers took up arms. That is a big story when you think about it, I doubt the average American could write a few paragraphs as to why they chose to risk their lives.

Posted by: Quint at November 30, 2020 07:14 PM (ZbBR3)

463 so many questions here. How exactly is the US Civil War offensive? Do the players know the meaning of the term civil war? Do they know there were many civil wars before ours and many since? Do they know Oregon was not involved in the Civil War for good reason? Do I know i am wasting my time?
Posted by: Quint at November 30, 2020 06:34 PM (ZbBR3)

LOL. Its Oregon. It should just be called the Battle of Idiots.

Posted by: Pres. Elect LASue at November 30, 2020 07:14 PM (Ed8Zd)

464 This AZ hearing is epic. History shaking. Almost siren-deserving.

Posted by: Captain Oblivious at November 30, 2020 07:15 PM (Astxw)

465 I think the reason ZOOM is so popular is twofold:

1) It's pretty much idiot-proof. Stupidly easy to set up or join a meeting. It handles lots of people with ease.
It looks the best.

2) Everyone else's version sucks or is hard to use, and-
Do you really think Apple's or Cisco's or Google's or Facebook's or Microsoft's or whoever's version is going to respect your privacy any better than ZOOM?

Yep. I prefer Skype, but it's a pain the in the ass to set up. Anytime I want to Skype my brother, he has to remember his hotmail account creds that he hasn't used since the last time we Skyped. And that's for someone who has used it before. If not, you have to get the app and create a login. Zoom is just easier for someone who hasn't used it before.

Posted by: bonhomme at November 30, 2020 07:17 PM (UW2ZS)

466 Wait til you see the brand tattoo that shows got the vaccine.
Posted by: Fauchi at November 30, 2020 06:11 PM (Ojki1)
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It's not a brand logo, it's s bar code! Different part of the cereal box.

Posted by: Gilded at November 30, 2020 07:28 PM (GDnb5)

467 Always Be Lurking
*********************
Fen is the best commenter we have here. You need to tone it down. I know she can defend herself, but you really need to tone it down.

Posted by: megthered at November 30, 2020 07:28 PM (SM/op)

468 ne might argue that Slavery was an excuse to

exercise Federal Power over State rights and to settle the matter once

and for all on beneficial moral grounds.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at November 30, 2020 06:59 PM (Njz03)
"If
I could save the Union without freeing any slaves I would do it; and if
I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could
save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that."
- Abraham Lincoln, 1862.

I just want those that love to talk
about "The War of Southern Butthurt" - that by the same logic - you are
never, ever allowed to leave the great experiment in Western Socialism
that's getting ready to happen here. And if your state tries to, or if
you attempt to flee to a state that does, you are wrong to do so. You
may never leave. We are all in it together, forever. It's the Hotel
California of Democracy.

Posted by: Always Be Lurking at November 30, 2020 07:06 PM (PwmMm)

All terms I never used. The truth is slavery was perfectly legal when the Southern states left the union, there is no arguing that. And there was no legal decision on secession until after the war. It might sound crass, but the issue was decided on the battlefield. It is what happened, and not opinion.

I defamed no one from either side. And not here, but in most of America, what has really been lost to history is the reconciliation. Not that all went well afterwords, but denying reconciliation is to ignore the nation's history.

If you really think about it, secession is what lead to the end of slavery. Speeches aside, Lincoln said he would not try to free the slaves. Yes he said other things before, but he did not run on ending slavery where it existed. Union was the real mater, just like your first quote makes abundantly clear.

but comparing then to now is really a stretch imo. For one the country was nothing like the nation today. The funny thing is they were way more unified but didn't know it. It became a hate but among people with the same values on most everything but a big one. Today we are more divided and have way, way less in common. Not sure where this leads but the history shows this to be true. And union does not mean what it once did to many. It was a very different time and place.

Posted by: Quint at November 30, 2020 07:29 PM (ZbBR3)

469 Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Trump WON, buy guns at November 30, 2020 06:57 PM (ifmtJ)
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Props!

Posted by: Gilded at November 30, 2020 07:30 PM (GDnb5)

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Posted by: jeremiah at November 30, 2020 07:32 PM (Xtel/)

471 One might argue that Slavery was an excuse to
exercise Federal Power over State rights and to settle the matter once
and for all on beneficial moral grounds.

The problem is that in defeating one evil, you enable a far more insidious, hidden and potent one.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at November 30, 2020 06:59 PM (Njz03)

my problem with that is it was the Southern States that seceded. No way Lincoln wanted that. His entire tenure was dominated by a bloody Civil War.

I understand there is a states rights argument. There is a reason the CSA put George Washington on The Seal of the Confederacy. It was not some type of conspiracy, they believed they were the natural heirs to Washington and the ones most in line with the Constitution. The other side thought differently.

Posted by: Quint at November 30, 2020 07:39 PM (ZbBR3)

472 Thank you for that excellent information, Jeremiah.

Posted by: IrishEi on tablet at November 30, 2020 08:11 PM (sGotD)

473 The "Trump Cure" = POISON. Do NOT want. I wish he would stop pushing poison.

Posted by: Deplorably BonnieBlue says TRUMP WON at November 30, 2020 09:42 PM (BNMel)

474 Re: Erick Erickson story on the sidebar.

Link goes to a tweet by Robert Rigel mocking Erick, which means that Robert Rigel is wise and honorable, even though I have know idea who Rigel is.

Here's the twitter intros for both of them, and the contrast made me larf.

Relevant people

Robert Rigel
@NightmarEclipse
I wasn't born with enough middle fingers for perpetually outraged hipster douchebags compensating for their mediocrity with shelves of participation trophies

Erick Erickson
@EWErickson
You'll like me more on Instagram.

Posted by: President-Elect Hands at November 30, 2020 10:37 PM (786Ro)

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