Fake Jake Tapper: Esper Was Fired Because, <i>Get This</i>, He Was Slow-Rolling and Obstructing Trump's Order to Get Out of Afghanistan

Fake Jake Tapper: Esper Was Fired Because, Get This, He Was Slow-Rolling and Obstructing Trump's Order to Get Out of Afghanistan

As I've said, based on reports from inside the Administration: Mattis was fired because he just refused to execute Trump's lawful orders to get out of Afghanistan.

He kept stalling and telling Trump "We can't because x" or "We have to wait for y."

He did this year after year.

Then he lied to Trump and said he'd finally put together a workable withdrawal plan... in six months.

Six months passed -- no plan. He just stalled and slow-walked again.

Then he was fired.

And the c#cks, who couldn't find their wife's assh0les even if they just followed their bucks' dicks, said, "Oh noes! WHY? Why is this madman Trump firing someone I've seen such funny memes about on Twitter?!"

Say, jog my memory: Was it the Living Meme Mattis who was elected as Commander in Chief and chief foreign policy maker of the US? Or was it Trump?

Oh that's right -- it was Trump. Mattis was charged, as an underling and subordinate, with effecting Trump's orders.

Not subverting them year after year.

And what have we here, with Esper?

Again, the Deep State/Military Industrial Complex asserts that it alone will decide matters of war and peace.

And this is Establishment simp Jake Tapper reporting this -- giving Esper's side of it. (He claims, bafflingly, that getting out troops out of Afghanistan would put those troops in danger. Huh?)

So this probably true:

@FakeTapper
Knowledgeable sources tell me the White House now seems focused on going after Mark Esper’s undersecretaries at DOD, following the firing of Esper on Monday.
The Pentagon's top policy official, James Anderson, resigned Tuesday, according to two US defense officials.

@jaketapper
Why? Sources say it may be because Esper and his team were pushing back on what they viewed as a premature withdrawal from Afghanistan before conditions were met, as well as other pending security issues.

"Before conditions" were met? What conditions? The conditions that Esper, a hired flunky, decided with no constitutional authority must be met before withdrawal?

Would the left or the Establishment Republican (liberals) ever put up with this kind of unconstitutional power-grabbing and gross insubordination if it were Obama or Biden whose orders were being ignored and undermined and countermanded?

If anyone in the Deep State violated the orders of a hypothetical Commander in Thief Joe Biden, National Review would scream about Muh Norms.

But as long is the subversion is coming from the Deep State against their Real Geopolitical Enemies -- actual US conservatives -- then it's just, what, checks and balances? All's fair in love in war? What? What is the excuse? What is the justification?

Update: Fox News' War Whore is very upset that Trump's new DOD might actually execute the orders the duly-elected president gives him:

2 Jennifer Griffin
@JenGriffinFNC
Confirmed: (Ret) Col Douglas MacGregor to advise new Defense Secretary - wants US troops out of Mideast and Afghanistan ASAP.
Axios Scoop: Divisive Pentagon hire may rush troop withdrawals before Trump's exit

Thanks to Ghost of Ruth Buzzi Ginsburg.

Posted by: Ace at 03:51 PM

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1 Whoa

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at November 11, 2020 03:51 PM (Do5/p)

2 asdf

Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 11, 2020 03:51 PM (Zm+LZ)

3 Top ten!

Posted by: Surfperch at November 11, 2020 03:52 PM (/4vtq)

4 Hell we don't even have an objective in Afghanistan anymore.

Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 11, 2020 03:52 PM (Zm+LZ)

5 "premature withdrawal from Afghanistan"

20 years is way too premature. We need at least 30!

Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at November 11, 2020 03:53 PM (LZ7Gl)

6 The spice must flow.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at November 11, 2020 03:53 PM (svbBD)

7 So, occams razor in action then. Fair ...

Posted by: Buckaroo at November 11, 2020 03:53 PM (6egPo)

8 How long have we been in that shithole? 19 years? Get them out.

Posted by: Jewells45TRUMPWON! at November 11, 2020 03:53 PM (nxdel)

9 It's the excuse. But it's bullshit. If Trump wanted to make Afgahanistan a major issue he would have fired Esper before the election to get some of the Greenwald vote.

The real reason is cause a storm's coming.

Posted by: trev006 at November 11, 2020 03:53 PM (mE90J)

10 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - TRUMP WON! at November 11, 2020 03:53 PM (Zz0t1)

11 Does that Peckerhead Fapper understand Esper worked for PDT ?

Posted by: Ghost Of Ruth Buzzi Ginsberg at November 11, 2020 03:54 PM (dbgR9)

12 I'm so old I remember when Democrats were anti-war!
I am over 14 years old.

Posted by: Shenanigans at November 11, 2020 03:54 PM (ZR7kf)

13 Jake Tapper, who sucks cock by choice, sucks. Cock.

Posted by: Sponge - TRUMP WON! at November 11, 2020 03:54 PM (Zz0t1)

14 Our "premature" exit from Afghanistan. Apparently, nearly 20 years there is just not enough.

BULLSHIT

Posted by: deadrody at November 11, 2020 03:54 PM (V9901)

15 No, Jake, Esper was fired because he was an Iago.

Posted by: tubal at November 11, 2020 03:54 PM (bCLt0)

16 4 Hell we don't even have an objective in Afghanistan anymore.
Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 11, 2020 03:52 PM (Zm+LZ)

++++

"dicking around" is an objective

Posted by: Shenanigans at November 11, 2020 03:54 PM (ZR7kf)

17 Commander in Thief Joe Biden

Bravo.

Posted by: G'rump928(C) at November 11, 2020 03:54 PM (yQpMk)

18 DeepState didn't have condition met ... they were renegotiating the rates they would have to pay for their opium trade?

Posted by: illiniwek at November 11, 2020 03:54 PM (Cus5s)

19 @jaketapper

Why? Sources say it may be because Esper and his team were pushing back
on what they viewed as a premature withdrawal from Afghanistan before
conditions were met, as well as other pending security issues.
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Is this the most pro-Trump tweet Tapper has ever written? Is there any negative component to this tweet? I feel like I am missing something.

Posted by: SH at November 11, 2020 03:54 PM (sX1BW)

20 It appears Col. Douglas MacGregor will also be joining the DOD as an advisor to the Sec. of Defense.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 11, 2020 03:55 PM (ZLI7S)

21 Remember when seemingly all of DC used to wail about Iraq and Afghanistan being "a quagmire!!?"

I thought they were serious.
*shakes head*

Posted by: Lizzy at November 11, 2020 03:55 PM (bDqIh)

22 Jennifer Griffin
@JenGriffinFNC
Confirmed: (Ret) Col Douglas MacGregor to advise new Defense Secretary - wants US troops out of Mideast and Afghanistan ASAP.
Axios Scoop: Divisive Pentagon hire may rush troop withdrawals before Trump's exit
*****
FUX News

Posted by: Ghost Of Ruth Buzzi Ginsberg at November 11, 2020 03:55 PM (dbgR9)

23 You need to have people you can trust and depend on during this time of "uncertainty."

Esper ain't that.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 11, 2020 03:55 PM (3H9h1)

24
Often it seem people with civil service jobs seem to think the civil service dictates policy.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 11, 2020 03:55 PM (mht8P)

25 More please.

I like when Deep State traitors get fired.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 11, 2020 03:55 PM (R/m4+)

26 I'm old to remember when the Left said Trump was going to start World War 3.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at November 11, 2020 03:55 PM (HmZuC)

27 9....

Sure, because the "Greenwald" would ever vote for Trump! Drugs are bad.

Posted by: PacosMojo at November 11, 2020 03:55 PM (F8bEJ)

28 Shouldn't Trump have proceeded with a Court Marshaling of Mattis, here?

Where does that line end with President and Military Cabinet Members.

He's the CiC.
He gave the orders.

Mattis defied the orders. Why not ruin him?

Posted by: garrett at November 11, 2020 03:55 PM (UJccu)

29 But as long is the subversion is coming from the Deep State against their Real Geopolitical Enemies -- actual US conservatives -- then it's just, what, checks and balances? All's fair in love in war? What? What is the excuse? What is the justification?
++++++++++++++
If *they* get obstructed, then it's wrong and awful. If *we* get obstructed, it is right and proper.

Heads they win, tails we lose. Period. That's all there is to it. It's raw power games.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 11, 2020 03:56 PM (hYcqw)

30 "What's you exit strategy!?"

Another early and mid 2000's gem hurled at Bush and his team.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 11, 2020 03:56 PM (bDqIh)

31 It's funny how all of these leftists are now supporting generals and directors of the FBI, CIA, and National Intelligence as long as they are antiTrump. Who knew that all it took for them to renounce their lifetime hostility to the military and intelligence departments was an orange president?

Posted by: iandeal at November 11, 2020 03:56 PM (vgGyZ)

32
asdf
Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West

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jkl;

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 11, 2020 03:56 PM (mht8P)

33 So now we have libs hating on Trump for trying to get our troops out of a war zone shithole. Politics makers queer bedfellows.

Posted by: Caliban at November 11, 2020 03:56 PM (HgGBT)

34 Trump wants those troops home for the holidays.

Because fuck him, right?

Posted by: Shenanigans at November 11, 2020 03:56 PM (ZR7kf)

35 Premature withdrawal.

We've been there 20 f*cking years or more.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at November 11, 2020 03:56 PM (ZI/tq)

36 I want Trump to start hanging people now. I want this election decided now. I am just really impatient

Posted by: Jmel at November 11, 2020 03:56 PM (I1Uer)

37 hiya

Posted by: JT at November 11, 2020 03:56 PM (arJlL)

38 >> Col. Douglas MacGregor will also be joining the DOD as an advisor to the Sec. of Defense.

I don't like that fucker at all.

Posted by: garrett at November 11, 2020 03:57 PM (UJccu)

39 Seriously, what exactly is the military-industrial complex hoping to accomplish by staying in that shithole longer?

Sure, the Taliban would probably take over when we leave, by why does that really matter? What threat does the Taliban pose outside of Afghanistan/Pakistan?

Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at November 11, 2020 03:57 PM (LZ7Gl)

40 Old and Busted: Trump is going to get us into a bunch of wars and therefore shouldn't be president!

New Hotness: Trump not only won't start new wars he is ending old ones and therefore shouldn't be president!

Posted by: 18-1 at November 11, 2020 03:57 PM (qlFIA)

41
Premature withdrawal.

We've been there 20 f*cking years or more.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at November 11, 2020 03:56 PM (ZI/tq)

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Compared to the Thirty-Years War, we're ahead of schedule.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 11, 2020 03:57 PM (mht8P)

42 I remember when we were told that moving US embassy to Jerusalem will result in MIDDLE EAST WAR ! And President after Presided refused to do it based on that claim...And when it was finally done, all we had is breakout of peace agreements across the middle east. So, by all means, let us listen to what these guys are saying about "premature" withdrawal...

Posted by: La Oficina Del Presidente-Electo runner at November 11, 2020 03:57 PM (zr5Kq)

43 If 20 years to withdraw from Afghanistan is premature, what is biden declaring himself president elect before any legal proceedings or recounts are resolved, Jake, you fucking hack?

Posted by: Pine Barrens at November 11, 2020 03:57 PM (oh+79)

44 And the c#cks, who couldn't find their wife's assh0les even if they just followed their bucks' dicks,

Again with the pure poetry.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at November 11, 2020 03:57 PM (ufFY8)

45 Good.

I supported going into Afghanistan. Hell, I'd be fine with a long-term presence there. But Trump is the Commander in Chief and he's the one who makes those decisions. Not Mattis, not Esper, Trump.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at November 11, 2020 03:57 PM (RLh/8)

46 Someone suggested the other day that if Trump isn't going to get his rightful wins in court, he should fire everyone and let Rick Grenell be the acting head of every agency, just going through the halls chopping off heads of every deep state shit that caused the last 4 years to be less of a monumental success than it should have been.

Posted by: Rbastid at November 11, 2020 03:57 PM (sB4ue)

47 whew,

no nood Jake Taper here

who wants to see Jake in his birthday suit anyway

Posted by: will choose a nic later at November 11, 2020 03:57 PM (GIeIM)

48 28. When Mattis gave up the stars for a suit ... ucmj no longer directly applied ...

Posted by: Buckaroo at November 11, 2020 03:57 PM (6egPo)

49 > Remember when seemingly all of DC used to wail about Iraq and Afghanistan being "a quagmire!!?"

I remember when we used to have "grim milestones" all through the first and second Bush II administrations, then we didn't have any "grim milestones" AT ALL for President Peace Prize's two terms, then suddenly we started having "grim milestones" again the moment Trump took office.

Posted by: Kamala Harris at November 11, 2020 03:58 PM (VikfB)

50 Don't worry, we'll be back in Iraq in no time.

Posted by: Joe Biden with a steel plate in his head at November 11, 2020 03:58 PM (v0R5T)

51
Keep In Mind: US Troops were still getting blown up in Afghanistan and Iraq while Mattis was ignoring the Commander-In-Chief.

President Trump was writing letters of condolence to the families while Mattis was jerking off at the Pentagon with the other generals.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at November 11, 2020 03:58 PM (KREfy)

52 Remember how Jake was all over Biden for bungling the SOF to withdraw from Iraq, resulting in a haphazard draw down that endangered the troops? Yeah, me neither.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at November 11, 2020 03:58 PM (7o4Oo)

53 Why does Joe keep filling me? Can't that SOB use the terlit for once??

Posted by: Joe Biden's Britches at November 11, 2020 03:58 PM (JNTt1)

54
I believe Mike Flynn was fired not because of insubordination but because he disagreed vehemently with Obama.

That is what is known as character. And because he knew where the bodies were buried, they railroaded him.

Scum.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 11, 2020 03:58 PM (s2VJv)

55 Are "knowledgeable sources" the same as "annonymous sources?" I don't have a journalism degree so it's hard for me to tell.

Posted by: Agent Cooper at November 11, 2020 03:58 PM (Dc5Qe)

56 Most honest guy in politics - in his own way - was Chuck Schumer.

He said, for the record, that you don't screw around with these people because they will screw you back seven ways from Sunday. Turns out - he was being incredibly candid. Chuck has a healthy fear of the Deep State. I guess he didn't get old by being dumb.

Chuck wasn't talking about just the intel community. Chuck was talking about the whole machine. Just because you say Jump doesn't mean they'll ask How High. And that was the ScalpWeasels biggest mistake. He walked in there assuming he was in charge.

Sure - he was on the top of the Org Chart. But any officer that knows a damn thing knows about the E-4 Mafia. Sure - most of them don't. But that's what happened here. Trump walked in assuming everyone around him would respect his rank. Wrong answer. Wrong answer from Day One.

Posted by: Always Be Lurking at November 11, 2020 03:58 PM (jDqdz)

57 Knowledgeable sources have told me that Jake Tapper is almost always full of shit, but when a brown dot appears on his forehead it means he's a quart low.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 11, 2020 03:58 PM (F0YaR)

58 Col. Douglas MacGregor will also be joining the DOD as an advisor to the Sec. of Defense.

I don't like that fucker at all.
Posted by: garrett at November 11, 2020 03:57 PM (UJccu)

why ?

Posted by: La Oficina Del Presidente-Electo runner at November 11, 2020 03:58 PM (zr5Kq)

59 Seriously, what exactly is the military-industrial complex hoping to accomplish by staying in that shithole longer?

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I'm not sure it is necessarily there they want to be, rather they want to be somewhere. Anywhere. But if you want to make deals on the side, being halfway around the world in a shithole country without press is probably as good a place as any.

Posted by: SH at November 11, 2020 03:59 PM (sX1BW)

60 >>@jaketapper
Why? Sources say it may be because Esper and his team were pushing back on what they viewed as a premature withdrawal from Afghanistan before conditions were met, as well as other pending security issues.

I know this is crazy, but why isn't Tapper asking Trump about this?
Has Kayleigh covered this or been asked about this?

I haven't been watching the news, but they seem to have decided Trump's presidency ended on election day, and engaging him or his team is somehow enabling misinformation or something.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 11, 2020 03:59 PM (bDqIh)

61
Often it seem people with civil service jobs seem to think the civil service dictates policy.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 11, 2020 03:55 PM (mht

Presidents come and go, the state is eternal.

Posted by: DAK at November 11, 2020 03:59 PM (PtOP4)

62 Would the DOD follow an order from Biden to Trunamelzer?

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at November 11, 2020 03:59 PM (rTgbC)

63 >>When Mattis gave up the stars for a suit ... ucmj no longer directly applied

Thank You.

Posted by: garrett at November 11, 2020 03:59 PM (UJccu)

64 >>> asdf
Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West

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jkl;
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 11, 2020 03:56 PM (mht8P)

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Always a bride's made, never a bride.

*sigh*

Posted by: G H at November 11, 2020 03:59 PM (EnxR+)

65 Again, whether Trump stays in office or not, he could do immeasurable good for this nation (and the world) by pulling U.S. troops out of war zones across the globe. Immediately.

Let the generals howl. Let Max Bootlicker tell us why that's bad.

Who cares.

"For the good of the nation, and to protect the lives of those who serve, from needlessly taking risks in foreign lands, for no morally clear purpose, on this Veterans Day, I hereby order all U.S. forces to pull back from conflict, and exit these zones of war. As soon as is practicably possible."

There. Wrote of for you, Mr. President.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 11, 2020 03:59 PM (hku12)

66 55 Are "knowledgeable sources" the same as "annonymous sources?" I don't have a journalism degree so it's hard for me to tell.

Top. Men.

Top.

Posted by: Mr Obvious at November 11, 2020 03:59 PM (k+h+d)

67 Dealing with treasonous Democrats is like dealing with children. Problems arise when you forget just who is in charge. Donald Trump has not forgotten.

Posted by: creeper at November 11, 2020 03:59 PM (XxJt1)

68 I see that Fake Yapper has suddenly decided that enemies lists are bad, after threatening to start his own enemies list just a day or two ago.

I guess he's figured out that he's not going to get the Goebbels job in a Kamaltoe administration.

Posted by: President-Elect Rodrigo Borgia at November 11, 2020 03:59 PM (VikfB)

69 Sure, because the "Greenwald" would ever vote for Trump! Drugs are bad.
Posted by: PacosMojo at November 11, 2020 03:55 PM (F8bEJ)

If you just saw Dave Smith on JRE, or have been reading Greenwald/ Taibbi? If anything, I think quite a few leftists secretly voted Trump. Again.

Posted by: trev006 at November 11, 2020 03:59 PM (mE90J)

70 62 Would the DOD follow an order from Biden to Trunamelzer?
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at November 11, 2020 03:59 PM (rTgbC)

I could go for a nice tuna meltzer...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 11, 2020 04:00 PM (s2VJv)

71
President Trump killed that General Salami guy in Iraq because Salami was killing our troops who shouldn't have even have been there!

Mattis is responsible for troop losses. He too should get the Salami treatment.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at November 11, 2020 04:00 PM (KREfy)

72 >>why ?

He insists on himself.

Posted by: garrett at November 11, 2020 04:00 PM (UJccu)

73 "...premature withdrawal from Afghanistan..."

How many GD years are we supposed to take to leave that armpit? Pre-f***ing-mature?

How much are these brassholes profiting from these interminable wars they send others to die for anyway? A nice, deep, extensive, probing audit would be nice. All wrapped in barbed wire, too.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at November 11, 2020 04:00 PM (HhXSr)

74 Every single time I read that Jake Trapper (or anyone else) states "Sources say," in my head I hear Richard Dawson on Family Feud shout, "Survey says!"

Posted by: washrivergal at November 11, 2020 04:00 PM (66BnU)

75 >> I know this is crazy, but why isn't Tapper asking Trump about this?

The media (and the libs) think that their fake assertion that Joey Fingers is President-Elect means Trump is not the President anymore.
They are idiots.

Posted by: DJ at November 11, 2020 04:00 PM (O3/K+)

76 We gotta stay in Afghanistvnzx. Hunter needs the dope.

Posted by: Joe Biden with a steel plate in his head at November 11, 2020 04:00 PM (v0R5T)

77 I hope Trump remembers to do things that will box the next admin in, such as ordering immediate full withdrawal of all ME troops. Would love to see Biden defend reinstating the endless wars almost immediately

Posted by: Trump at November 11, 2020 04:00 PM (5f0Sh)

78
Always a bride's made, never a bride.

*sigh*
Posted by: G H at November 11, 2020 03:59 PM (EnxR+)

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*lights big cigar*
*leans back in chair*
*puts feet on desk*
*grins*

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 11, 2020 04:00 PM (mht8P)

79 Maid/Made

Stupid autocucumber

Posted by: G H at November 11, 2020 04:00 PM (EnxR+)

80 > Are "knowledgeable sources" the same as "annonymous sources?"

Yep, they pretty much both translate to "some random pissboy who once delivered a pizza to the office".

Posted by: President-Elect Rodrigo Borgia at November 11, 2020 04:00 PM (VikfB)

81 48 28. When Mattis gave up the stars for a suit ... ucmj no longer directly applied ...

Posted by: Buckaroo at November 11, 2020 03:57 PM (6egPo)

Is that true? I thought retirees were subject to both recall and the UCMJ.

Posted by: G'rump928(C) at November 11, 2020 04:00 PM (yQpMk)

82 656 @MattBraynard
Updates:
- Now sharing data/coordinating efforts with campaign's teams in NV + GA.
- NV LowActive ABS/Early Voters sent to Call Center.
- Conducting Double Voter analysis on NV, with extra scrutiny on California.
- OANN /w @JackPosobiec @3pm
Posted by: Affidavitly at November 11, 2020 03:57 PM (BBWrU)

Posted by: Sorry, was busy and missed the NOOD at November 11, 2020 04:01 PM (BBWrU)

83
Mattis defied the orders. Why not ruin him?

Posted by: garrett at November 11, 2020 03:55 PM (UJccu)

I think you need to at least slightly play nice with him, as he has three respect of a lot of the troops. If Trump went too far he might fear an actual coup attempt, by letting him just walk away (even if he does now run his mouth) it'll keep some good faith and show Trump isn't vindictive like they say he is.

Posted by: Rbastid at November 11, 2020 04:01 PM (sB4ue)

84 You know what I don't remember?

Any one of these Brave Bootlikers with Bars on Their Chest's slow-rolling Obama's far more hasty, far more dangerous abrupt withdraw from Iraq

The Democrats in Uniform snapped to attention and did what their boss said.

And for their loyalty to whichever Democrat is most powerful at the time, we got 3 years of barbarians burning people alive.

Posted by: RoyalOil at November 11, 2020 04:01 PM (PdCrq)

85 Concerning Glenn Greenwald, he is useful, for the moment, but should never be embraced by us. He is NOT part of the Right.

Posted by: tubal at November 11, 2020 04:01 PM (bCLt0)

86 Nothing they say can be believed, they made up shit for 4 years and broadcasted it as news.

Posted by: Skip at November 11, 2020 04:01 PM (9sWOw)

87 On my first day as President I will order the withdrawal of the Army of the Potomac.

what..?

Posted by: Pres to be Joe Biden at November 11, 2020 04:01 PM (4a9Vv)

88 "Antiwar" party- "that damn Trump's endangering our beloved troops by withdrawing them from the endless war we love to protest but hate to end so we don't lose it as a wedge issue." Betrayed military and their families- "Fuck you." Rasmussen- Trump at 53% approval after "losing" election.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at November 11, 2020 04:01 PM (7o4Oo)

89 What do we usually call it when military commanders refuse to follow the lawful orders of the civilian government who is supposed to control them?

Oh, right, a coup.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2020 04:02 PM (UPoLF)

90 New advisor wants troops out of "the MidEast"?? That's a pretty vague, and in many ways stupid, idea.

There's currently at least a 50/50 chance the idiot children will get power in January. If they do, they are very likely to punish the US with what it deserves if it installs them in power, and take a very successful and important US policy towards Iran, and reverse it, resuming the absolutely insane Iran policy of the Obama years (easily the most consequentially stupid foreign policy approach in US history).

If there's a "move while we're still in charge" rationale for exiting A'stan, the same logic applies, but in reverse, in a few other places.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 11, 2020 04:02 PM (OTzUX)

91 I not a fan of Jennifer Griffin, but she did have longer hair and lost it due to chemo. When it grew in she kept it short. Probably didn't grow in the same way.

Posted by: redridinghood at November 11, 2020 04:02 PM (NpAcC)

92 "...before Trump's exit."

***

Everyone last one of these cretins can f*** off and die.

Posted by: Azathoth at November 11, 2020 04:02 PM (NTAz9)

93
Mattis defied the orders. Why not ruin him?

Posted by: garrett at November 11, 2020 03:55 PM (UJccu)

Trump is a decent man?

Posted by: DAK at November 11, 2020 04:02 PM (PtOP4)

94 >>Seriously, what exactly is the military-industrial complex hoping to accomplish by staying in that shithole longer?

Think it's this:

-- Wars require equipment
-- Defense contractors court top military brass to buy their stuff
-- Military brass then retire and work for defense contractors they gave business to

There's a lot of money in war.
Another possibility: Flynn was looking into huge military slush funds that the IC were using to run secret ops. I would think that less money going to fund wars means less money to siphon off for side projects.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 11, 2020 04:02 PM (bDqIh)

95 All this lefty (and ron paul) talk over the years of the military industrial complex secretly running the government from behind the scenes seems...

Well, more true then it used to seem.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2020 04:02 PM (UPoLF)

96 Every single time I read that Jake Trapper (or anyone else) states "Sources say," in my head I hear Richard Dawson on Family Feud shout, "Survey says!"
Posted by: washrivergal at November 11, 2020 04:00 PM (66BnU)

LOL.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 11, 2020 04:02 PM (WkPC9)

97 This is in line with David Ignatius' column from Wash Post this AM. I'm not 100% sure though. Ignatius also talked about DJT wanting to declare a whole bunch of Russian scam related info and certain officials objecting. Makes sense on the surface and explains why all the personnel moves...not just firings but replacement with loyalists...but it seems late and frankly weak from DJT if so. If on the.other hand, these personnel moves are putting DJT's stronger pieces on the board for the coming battle royal, it makes a lot more sense.

If that's the case, these stories to Tapper and Ignatius and other stenographers about why certain personnel moves are happening...slow rolling Afghanistan drawdown, delays Russia scam info...are plausible misdirection.

Posted by: occam's brassiere at November 11, 2020 04:02 PM (evxBY)

98 But, we haven't reached the 30% hearts and minds threshold we need to achieve in order for democracy to bloom! We are still 5% below the hearts and minds goal! Only a trillion more dollars and 1000 troops lives and we should be well on our way to meeting our estimates for next year!

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at November 11, 2020 04:02 PM (dNzKv)

99 Seriously, what exactly is the military-industrial complex hoping to accomplish by staying in that shithole longer?

They're keeping the spigot open. The spice is flowing. And Rule Number is you don't fuck with the money.

That's what they're accomplishing. They're keeping the money flowing.

Posted by: Always Be Lurking at November 11, 2020 04:03 PM (jDqdz)

100 @jaketapper

Why? Sources say it may be because Esper and his team were pushing back
on what they viewed as a premature withdrawal from Afghanistan before
conditions were met, as well as other pending security issues.

________

Jake must have his wife's bulls on his his mind ... Sigmoidian Flip?

Posted by: ShainS at November 11, 2020 04:03 PM (WqPYg)

101 Update: Fox News' bizarre-looking lesbian-biker-tattooed War Whore is very upset that Trump's new DOD might actually execute the orders the duly-elected president gives him:

2 Jennifer Griffin @JenGriffinFNC Confirmed: (Ret) Col Douglas MacGregor to advise new Defense Secretary - wants US troops out of Mideast and Afghanistan ASAP.

From Wiki:

In September 2020, an uproar arose after Griffin, citing anonymous sources, confirmed key details of an article in The Atlantic [4] that reported President Donald Trump had characterized veterans and fallen American soldiers as "losers" and "suckers." The report had been previously confirmed by the Associated Press and The Washington Post. Trump and several aides who said they were present at the time denied the report, with the president and others calling for Griffin to resign. Numerous reporters, including some from Fox News, defended Griffin's integrity. She stood by her report, characterizing her sources as "unimpeachable."[5][6][7][8]

"Unimpeachable?" Now where have I heard THAT before?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 11, 2020 04:03 PM (DXT9A)

102 What is this awful event that is supposed to take place when we leave Afghanistan? Our capabilities have changed dramatically since 2001 as General Soleimani found out recently. Let them start their little barbarian training camps again and we will reach out and touch them too. GET OUR BOYS THE FUCK OUT OF THERE ALREADY.

Posted by: Stout at November 11, 2020 04:03 PM (EHSFD)

103 Someone suggested the other day that if Trump isn't going to get his rightful wins in court, he should fire everyone and let Rick Grenell be the acting head of every agency, just going through the halls chopping off heads of every deep state shit that caused the last 4 years to be less of a monumental success than it should have been.
Posted by: Rbastid at November 11, 2020 03:57 PM (sB4ue)
++++++++++++++
I'd vote for Grennel, but I have asserted before that I think his ideal role is something of a political "assassin without portfolio."

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 11, 2020 04:03 PM (hYcqw)

104 >>>91 I not a fan of Jennifer Griffin, but she did have longer hair and lost it due to chemo. When it grew in she kept it short. Probably didn't grow in the same way.

sorry, i didn't know that. I delted references to her appearance.

Posted by: ace at November 11, 2020 04:03 PM (C+F5p)

105 I want Trump to yank back every troop from everywhere, even Germany, and make Biden send them all back.

Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at November 11, 2020 04:03 PM (GbPPJ)

106 mattis is an overrated halfwit cocksucker.

cocksucking warrior monk bs, you get that just for some books, hell, he did not even finish coloring half of them.

Posted by: confederatefifth at November 11, 2020 04:03 PM (4Jold)

107 Lin Wood says lock up Biden, O, the Clintons, et al:

https://tinyurl.com/yygczen4

Posted by: DJ at November 11, 2020 04:03 PM (O3/K+)

108 Greenwald is Greenwald. I think he takes journalism creed seriously.

Posted by: La Oficina Del Presidente-Electo runner at November 11, 2020 04:03 PM (zr5Kq)

109 Old and busted: janitor
New and fresh: knowledgeable source

Posted by: Tommyboy at November 11, 2020 04:04 PM (HU93f)

110 18
DeepState didn't have condition met ... they were renegotiating the rates they would have to pay for their opium trade?

Posted by: illiniwek at November 11, 2020 03:54 PM (Cus5s)

It's always about the Benjamins.

Posted by: davidt at November 11, 2020 04:04 PM (l3+k2)

111 Dear Jake.

You wouldn't know journalism if it bit you in the ballsack. You rely on sources that have either been known to be full of shit or don't actually exist. You do no research. You do no follow up.

You're a poor journalist, Mr. Tapper.

Posted by: Sponge - TRUMP WON! at November 11, 2020 04:04 PM (Zz0t1)

112 How's that for fucked up....

Immediate withdrawal of all troops from middle east....

Because we're about to need them here.

Fuck you, leftists. Fuck you for doing this to my country

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 11, 2020 04:04 PM (n8xkl)

113 63 >>When Mattis gave up the stars for a suit ... ucmj no longer directly applied
--------------

Thank You.

Posted by: garrett at November 11, 2020 03:59 PM (UJccu)

Directly, no. But a clear argument could be made, especially if he is still acting with "authority" based on his military career, that he could be pulled back onto active duty, and put in front of a military court.

Not sure how many times such a thing has occurred in history, but this is 2020. Lots of new things happening this year.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 11, 2020 04:04 PM (hku12)

114 Bullshit Bush really fooled me. They can all fuck themselves.

Posted by: demoncrat at November 11, 2020 04:04 PM (oAkIS)

115 Did I mention I hate all of them and hope they die in a fire?

No? My apologies.

I hate all of them, and hope they die in a fire.

Screaming.

Did I mention the screaming? It's no fun without the screams of agony.

Posted by: clutch cargo at November 11, 2020 04:04 PM (8B6Ng)

116 We will fight our next war with windmill tanks.

Posted by: Joe Biden with a steel plate in his head at November 11, 2020 04:04 PM (v0R5T)

117 Seriously, though...

it's part visceral and partly his disdain for ALL foreign alliance and intervention. I would have to brush up on all of his appearences and statements to drill down on the specifics for you.

He's no Grennel. That's for sure.

But. He does agree with Trump re. Afghanistan and iraq withdrawls / drawdowns.

I forget his take on Libya off the top of my head, though.

Posted by: garrett at November 11, 2020 04:04 PM (FKdAm)

118 I want Trump to yank back every troop from everywhere, even Germany, and make Biden send them all back.

Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at November 11, 2020 04:03 PM (GbPPJ)

nice !

Posted by: La Oficina Del Presidente-Electo runner at November 11, 2020 04:04 PM (zr5Kq)

119 I remember the famous Mattis quote - " when I walk into a room, I make a plan to stab everyone there in the back".

Posted by: tubal at November 11, 2020 04:04 PM (bCLt0)

120
Just here to say Hello. I'm appreciating.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at November 11, 2020 04:04 PM (G51Gf)

121 -- Wars require equipment

Defense contractors spread the work over hundreds of congressional districts. If we stop making "x" we will have to close plant "y" in your district!

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at November 11, 2020 04:05 PM (dNzKv)

122

99 Seriously, what exactly is the military-industrial complex hoping to accomplish by staying in that shithole longer?

They're keeping the spigot open. The spice is flowing. And Rule Number is you don't fuck with the money.

That's what they're accomplishing. They're keeping the money flowing.

Posted by: Always Be Lurking at November 11, 2020 04:03 PM (jDqdz)

__________

Not to mention the poppy (read opium) trade ...

Posted by: ShainS at November 11, 2020 04:05 PM (WqPYg)

123 There are people in the military right now who were born after the original invasion of Afghanistan.

I think we can safely say any withdrawal is not premature.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2020 04:05 PM (UPoLF)

124 81. Yes, possible. But the secdef is the civilian head of the department, not an active flag officer.

Posted by: Buckaroo at November 11, 2020 04:05 PM (6egPo)

125 Lin Wood says lock up Biden, O, the Clintons, et al:

https://tinyurl.com/yygczen4
Posted by: DJ at November 11, 2020 04:03 PM (O3/K+)

So, what prevents making this guy AG?

Posted by: Sponge - TRUMP WON! at November 11, 2020 04:05 PM (Zz0t1)

126 Posted by: MIRROR UNIVERSE NEIL GORSUCH at November 11, 2020 04:04 PM (Pzzpr)

I hate it when dicks are correct.

Posted by: clutch cargo at November 11, 2020 04:05 PM (8B6Ng)

127 All out now!

Posted by: It's me donna at November 11, 2020 04:05 PM (Zmnko)

128 What is this awful event that is supposed to take place when we leave Afghanistan?
Posted by: Stout

It may go back to being a shithole.

Oh. . . . wait.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 11, 2020 04:05 PM (Rvt88)

129 They want an overseas war from which to launch MORE war.

Much easier to deploy more than to start deploying. They were slow rolling to keep military industrial complex developing new shit for war, which you need one of to get funding.

Posted by: dagny, first of her name at November 11, 2020 04:05 PM (ySQBZ)

130 50 Don't worry, we'll be back in Iraq in no time.
Posted by: Joe Biden with a steel plate in his head at November 11, 2020 03:58 PM (v0R5T)
--------------

It's really going to be interesting to watch Joe, when confronted with all the positive things happening in the ME: Iran on the ropes, ISIS gone, Embassy moved to Jerusalem, peace agreements being signed between Israel and Arab nations, Trump being nominated four separate times for Nobel Peace Prize

and Joe say "Screw it". I can't wait for the pushback from all these nations.

Posted by: WisRich at November 11, 2020 04:06 PM (G0vdT)

131 And this is Establishment simp Jake Tapper reporting this -- giving Esper's side of it. (He claims, bafflingly, that getting out troops out of Afghanistan would put those troops in danger. Huh?)

Maybe they were going to send the troops to a Democrat-run city with lots and lots of diversity.

That's probably more dangerous than Ahole-stan.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 11, 2020 04:06 PM (DXT9A)

132 116
We will fight our next war with windmill tanks.

Posted by: Joe Biden with a steel plate in his head at November 11, 2020 04:04 PM (v0R5T)

_________

And armor-piercing skittles!

Posted by: ShainS at November 11, 2020 04:06 PM (WqPYg)

133 I prefer Colonel Douglas Mortimer, but I'll take Col Douglas MacGregor.

Posted by: Mark1971 at November 11, 2020 04:06 PM (xPl2J)

134 Early on in the DJT admin. wasn't there a MOAB dropped?
Non-nuclear, but a MOAB

Posted by: navybrat, at large at November 11, 2020 04:06 PM (w7KSn)

135 he should fire everyone and let Rick Grenell be the acting head of every agency, just going through the halls chopping off heads of every deep state shit that caused the last 4 years to be less of a monumental success than it should have been.
----

Also the best way to kick off his second term.

Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at November 11, 2020 04:06 PM (sGnvY)

136 I want Trump to yank back every troop

Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at November 11, 2020 04:03 PM (GbPPJ)

Sounds like a good time!

Posted by: Rbastid at November 11, 2020 04:07 PM (sB4ue)

137 @94...the only remaining justification for any US military presence in Afghanistan is geography, and nukes. The war profiteering stuff really doesn't go very far. But having a military presence near nuclear armed Pakistan, India and China gives US some leverage in the region, and allows us to keep our eyes on what's going on. It's a strategic argument, and not without merit.

Posted by: occam's brassiere at November 11, 2020 04:07 PM (evxBY)

138 Speaking of Fox, anyone ever notice how much Juan Williams talks over and yells at some of the female co-hosts, especially Katie Pavlich?

Posted by: Dave at November 11, 2020 04:07 PM (VqdMc)

139 Somehow it's a massive wave election for Biden but NOT for the Democrats. This is perhaps the greatest anomaly in American political history.

Trump had a 94% approval rating among Republican voters and 50%+ among Independents, so both of those aren't part of the Biden wave. That leaves Democrats voting for the Biden wave but not for other Democrat offices!

Posted by: MAGA (stop the steal link in this nic) at November 11, 2020 04:07 PM (eMEkg)

140 Am I the only one who thinks that Ric Grennel is the living embodiment of Joachim Steuben from Hammer's Slammers?

Posted by: Farmer Bob at November 11, 2020 04:07 PM (7o4Oo)

141 112. That was my first thought too.

Posted by: PA Dutchman at November 11, 2020 04:07 PM (4q3U3)

142 I like Gen Jack Keane.

Posted by: dartist at November 11, 2020 04:07 PM (+ya+t)

143 >> he should fire everyone and let Rick Grenell be the acting head of every agency, just going through the halls chopping off heads of every deep state shit that caused the last 4 years to be less of a monumental success than it should have been.

That would be literally fabulous.

Posted by: garrett at November 11, 2020 04:07 PM (5W9kq)

144 Axios Scoop: Divisive Pentagon hire may rush troop withdrawals before Trump's exit

No. Four more years is way too long.

Posted by: DR.WTF at November 11, 2020 04:07 PM (AiZBA)

145 85 Concerning Glenn Greenwald, he is useful, for the moment, but should never be embraced by us. He is NOT part of the Right.
Posted by: tubal at November 11, 2020 04:01 PM (bCLt0)

He's at least intellectually honest about free speech and open political discourse. His positions are of course non-starters, but he knows what his side is trying to do in silencing dissent and has sounded an alarm bell. Also Matt Taibbi.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 11, 2020 04:07 PM (s2VJv)

146 134 Early on in the DJT admin. wasn't there a MOAB dropped?
Non-nuclear, but a MOAB

Afghanistan. Took out an underground command post and an unknown number of Al Qaida/Jihadist.

Posted by: Mr Obvious at November 11, 2020 04:07 PM (k+h+d)

147 Jake "Give Endless War A Chance" Tapper really really supports the troops, you guize!

Posted by: Captain Hate at November 11, 2020 04:08 PM (y7DUB)

148 @davidchapman141

Philadelphia has destroyed all ballot envelopes.

This will make identifying naked ballots and ballots arriving post election impossible. It will also make finding fraud in an audit very hard.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 11, 2020 04:08 PM (ZLI7S)

149 Trump was definitely on to something in his use of the military. After 9/11 what the people were really for was going into Afghanistan to bomb shit. Vengeance and justice. Not nation-building, not occupation. A case was made to go into Iraq - as faulty as it may be. At least it was made and the voters initially voted for it. Having a military presence in the ME made sense at the time to the voters. But as Bush was winding down Afghanistan and securing Iraq, Obama came in and reentered Afghanistan and gave up Iraq after we just shed blood for it. No one wanted to go back into Afghanistan. Seeing how our politicians could not be trusted, no one wanted any further wars. Not over there.

Just before the election, Trump sent a rescue mission to get a hostage. I'm guessing this appealed to most people. Our military is there to protect America - including American citizens abroad. Including American citizens abroad who may be doing dumb things, so long as they are not actively working against our interest.

This appeals to the Scotch-Irish side of America. Just as that side was more than willing to spend a few months carpet bombing Afghanistan. Don't mess with us, we won't mess with you. But if you do, we will attack you tenfold. We care less about occupation and more about destruction.

Trump was onto something. I wish he had gotten around to these things sooner, but he was fighting a battle on all fronts. But perhaps his final act is getting us out.

Ironic that most Presidents need to be war time Presidents to be considered great. Trump can be considered great since he was a never a war-time President.

Posted by: SH at November 11, 2020 04:08 PM (sX1BW)

150 It's really going to be interesting to watch Joe,
when confronted with all the positive things happening in the ME: Iran
on the ropes, ISIS gone, Embassy moved to Jerusalem, peace agreements
being signed between Israel and Arab nations, Trump being nominated four
separate times for Nobel Peace Prize

and Joe say "Screw it". I can't wait for the pushback from all these nations.

Posted by: WisRich at November 11, 2020 04:06 PM (G0vdT)

_________

My plan is to send Ambassador-at-large Chris Stevens into all those Middle East countries to secure the peace.

Posted by: Quid Pro Joe Beijing Biden, President-Erect at November 11, 2020 04:08 PM (WqPYg)

151 113. Fair pt. ...

Posted by: Buckaroo at November 11, 2020 04:08 PM (6egPo)

152 I agree with alex. See, it happens!!!

Posted by: tubal at November 11, 2020 04:08 PM (bCLt0)

153 Early on in the DJT admin. wasn't there a MOAB dropped?
Non-nuclear, but a MOAB
Posted by: navybrat, at large at November 11, 2020 04:06 PM (w7KSn)

Yep, Afghanistan. Shut them RTFU.

Posted by: clutch cargo at November 11, 2020 04:08 PM (8B6Ng)

154 Wow, 4 years ago Trump said he'd get us out of Afghanistan.

He is really trying to make it happen.

PROOF he is NOT a Politician.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 11, 2020 04:08 PM (NgKpN)

155

Give Peace a Chance, right lefties and nevertrumping idiots.

Posted by: Sunny at November 11, 2020 04:08 PM (sfhL4)

156 Speaking of Fox, anyone ever notice how much Juan Williams talks over and yells at some of the female co-hosts, especially Katie Pavlich?
Posted by: Dave at November 11, 2020 04:07 PM (VqdMc)

Fox? Never heard of it.

Posted by: dagny, first of her name at November 11, 2020 04:08 PM (ySQBZ)

157 >>Gen Jack Keane.

Yes. Reminds me of my Uncle who was a Queens Street Cop turned Detective.

He never missed an opportunity to send me a $10 bill for my Birthday.
And he always brought Cheesecake when he visited.

Posted by: garrett at November 11, 2020 04:08 PM (5W9kq)

158 Anyone have a solid timeline on how long the GA recount will take?

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at November 11, 2020 04:08 PM (svbBD)

159
President Trump should (and can) Poison Pill the shit outta the Federal Govt, just in case.

Starting with a Special Counsel to investigate Biden.
And the release of all the docs. All.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at November 11, 2020 04:08 PM (KREfy)

160
I want Trump to yank back every troop from everywhere, even Germany, and make Biden send them all back.

Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at November 11, 2020 04:03 PM (GbPPJ)

Heh. That's good. Here's a fun exercise - look online and find where they are. That's not a simple question. I doubt the Pentagon could give an honest count, even if they tried.

Posted by: Always Be Lurking at November 11, 2020 04:08 PM (jDqdz)

161 Philadelphia has destroyed all ballot envelopes.

This will make identifying naked ballots and ballots arriving post election impossible. It will also make finding fraud in an audit very hard.

Then I guess the entire lot is spoiled.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at November 11, 2020 04:09 PM (dNzKv)

162 Here's how the GOP can win yuugely bigly yugge

1. Become the anti-war party.

2. Become the anti-billionaire party with 95% taxes on the likes of Cuckerberg and Bezos

Out left the left at its own game.

Posted by: Asshoes at November 11, 2020 04:09 PM (22mNy)

163

hmmm, 5 nobels now?

Do I hear 10?

Posted by: Sunny at November 11, 2020 04:09 PM (sfhL4)

164 148 @davidchapman141

Philadelphia has destroyed all ballot envelopes.

This will make identifying naked ballots and ballots arriving post election impossible. It will also make finding fraud in an audit very hard.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 11, 2020 04:08 PM (ZLI7S)
------------

That was as predictable as the sun rising in the East.

Posted by: WisRich at November 11, 2020 04:09 PM (G0vdT)

165 94...the only remaining justification for any US military presence in Afghanistan is geography, and nukes. The war profiteering stuff really doesn't go very far. But having a military presence near nuclear armed Pakistan, India and China gives US some leverage in the region, and allows us to keep our eyes on what's going on. It's a strategic argument, and not without merit.
Posted by: occam's brassiere

dude, they, the troops are land locked between, iran, russia, pakistan, and china, there is no value to having troops there and the best thing is if we get out and give somebody the reins.

Posted by: confederatefifth at November 11, 2020 04:09 PM (4Jold)

166 Philadelphia has destroyed all ballot envelopes.

Of course they did.. Therefore all votes from there should be disqualified.. Like that will happen

Posted by: It's me donna at November 11, 2020 04:09 PM (Zmnko)

167 Philadelphia has destroyed all ballot envelopes.

This will make identifying naked ballots and ballots arriving post election impossible. It will also make finding fraud in an audit very hard.
Posted by: JackStraw

Can't identify who a ballot belongs to, toss it.

Point to who was disenfranchised.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 11, 2020 04:09 PM (aMV0K)

168 yep get them the hell out of afgan asap.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 11, 2020 04:09 PM (r+sAi)

169 "Philadelphia has destroyed all ballot envelopes. "

If I am a judge (I'm not) this invalidates all of the votes.

Posted by: navybrat, at large at November 11, 2020 04:09 PM (w7KSn)

170 Fair warning, there will be math.
https://tinyurl.com/yyjxkj8l
Posted by: JackStraw
~~~~~

Only about half way through that video, but...

holy crap.

Posted by: President-Elect IrishEi at November 11, 2020 04:09 PM (sGotD)

171 ChickenHawk!

Posted by: davidt at November 11, 2020 04:09 PM (l3+k2)

172 I'd vote for Grennel, but I have asserted before
that I think his ideal role is something of a political "assassin
without portfolio."

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 11, 2020 04:03 PM (hYcqw)

_________

This guy gets it.

Posted by: Zombie Lee Atwater at November 11, 2020 04:10 PM (WqPYg)

173 This will make identifying naked ballots and ballots arriving post election impossible. It will also make finding fraud in an audit very hard.
Posted by: JackStraw

this is deliberate fraud, that means we revote.

Posted by: confederatefifth at November 11, 2020 04:10 PM (4Jold)

174 169 "Philadelphia has destroyed all ballot envelopes. "

If I am a judge (I'm not) this invalidates all of the votes.
Posted by: navybrat, at large at November 11, 2020 04:09 PM (w7KSn)

Spoliation is not just removing taint hair...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 11, 2020 04:10 PM (s2VJv)

175 Possibly my favorite thing about Trump is his making the left defend the military-industrial complex.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 11, 2020 04:10 PM (ZGrMX)

176
But if we withdraw, we'll leave a strategic vacuum and Tajikistan will rush in to fill it, the first step to world domination!!!

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 11, 2020 04:10 PM (mht8P)

177 Heh. That's good. Here's a fun exercise - look online and find where they are. That's not a simple question. I doubt the Pentagon could give an honest count, even if they tried.

Posted by: Always Be Lurking at November 11, 2020 04:08 PM (jDqdz)

__

Maybe the $700 hammers can help find them?

Posted by: Asshoes at November 11, 2020 04:10 PM (22mNy)

178 I remember the famous Mattis quote - " when I walk into a room, I make a plan to stab everyone there in the back".

Posted by: tubal at November 11, 2020 04:04 PM (bCLt0)

While in the corps, myself and every Marine I knew looked up to mattis like he was superman, mostly based on his tough guy quotes. That atlantic piece he wrote about Trump made me realize what a piece of shit mattis actually is.

Posted by: Pine Barrens at November 11, 2020 04:10 PM (oh+79)

179 99 Seriously, what exactly is the military-industrial complex hoping to accomplish by staying in that shithole longer?
---------------
They're keeping the spigot open. The spice is flowing. And Rule Number is you don't fuck with the money.

That's what they're accomplishing. They're keeping the money flowing.

Posted by: Always Be Lurking at November 11, 2020 04:03 PM (jDqdz)

__________

Not to mention the poppy (read opium) trade ...
Posted by: ShainS at November 11, 2020 04:05 PM (WqPYg)

I'm so far down this hole at this point, I gotta assume also that there are Deep Staters keeping U.S. troops in places to benefit China.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 11, 2020 04:10 PM (hku12)

180 >>That was as predictable as the sun rising in the East.

And probably just sealed Pennsylvania's doom at the Supreme Court.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 11, 2020 04:10 PM (ZLI7S)

181 Philadelphia has destroyed all ballot envelopes.

This will make identifying naked ballots and ballots arriving post election impossible. It will also make finding fraud in an audit very hard.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 11, 2020 04:08 PM (ZLI7S)

Yeah, there was reporting on that from election night.

Because the signatures are on the envelopes, the process they devised in Philly was to open the envelopes, throw them out, and then send the ballots on their merry way.

I'm sure the envelopes were immediately thrown in dumpsters and picked up by teamsters driving roll off trucks every hour and dropped off at the closest incinerator.

You know, so that there is absolutely no way to challenge the validity of any ballots.

They have a lot of practice at this.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2020 04:10 PM (UPoLF)

182 >> @davidchapman141

Philadelphia has destroyed all ballot envelopes.

>>This will make identifying naked ballots and ballots arriving post election impossible. It will also make finding fraud in an audit very hard.

Should invalidate the entire Voter Pool.

That simple.

"Everybody out, because someone pissed in the Pool!"

"Thanks, Todd"

Posted by: garrett at November 11, 2020 04:10 PM (5W9kq)

183 134 Early on in the DJT admin. wasn't there a MOAB dropped?
Non-nuclear, but a MOAB
Posted by: navybrat, at large at November 11, 2020 04:06 PM (w7KSn)

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Yes

Posted by: MAGA (stop the steal link in this nic) at November 11, 2020 04:10 PM (eMEkg)

184 mattis is an overrated halfwit cocksucker.

Before I demonstrate the application of a true knife hand, does anyone ELSE have an opinion???

Posted by: General Mattis (retired) at November 11, 2020 04:11 PM (k+h+d)

185 >>> I hate it when dicks are correct.
Posted by: clutch cargo at November 11, 2020 04:05 PM (8B6Ng)

=====
No kidding. It's a bit unsettling, his record of late.

Well, it is still 2020, so of course.

Posted by: Swingin' for the downs at November 11, 2020 04:11 PM (EnxR+)

186 We have a court ruling stating you had to segregate ballots. We have affidavits alleging fraudulent ballots. You have illegally taken steps to obfuscate the truth, therefore we have to assume the allegations are correct and all ballots were received late.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at November 11, 2020 04:11 PM (dNzKv)

187 145 85 Concerning Glenn Greenwald, he is useful, for the moment, but should never be embraced by us. He is NOT part of the Right.
Posted by: tubal at November 11, 2020 04:01 PM (bCLt0)

He's at least intellectually honest about free speech and open political discourse. His positions are of course non-starters, but he knows what his side is trying to do in silencing dissent and has sounded an alarm bell. Also Matt Taibbi.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 11, 2020 04:07 PM (s2VJv)

I give him the same props I give Taibbi, and Camille Paglia, for that matter. Honest enemies. Thinking about it, preferable to so-called dishonest allies. Eaasier to identify and deal with.

Posted by: tubal at November 11, 2020 04:11 PM (bCLt0)

188 148 @davidchapman141

Philadelphia has destroyed all ballot envelopes.

This will make identifying naked ballots and ballots arriving post election impossible. It will also make finding fraud in an audit very hard.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 11, 2020 04:08 PM (ZLI7S)

Not sure about PA, but in most States the envelope has to be kept by law, and if not, then those votes are tossed in a recount.

/orders stock in popcorn companies.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 11, 2020 04:11 PM (NgKpN)

189
Reminds me of when the FBI told us they "lost" all the text messages.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at November 11, 2020 04:11 PM (KREfy)

190 That was as predictable as the sun rising in the East.
Posted by: WisRich at November 11, 2020 04:09 PM (G0vdT)

___

I'm pretty sure it sets in the east.
- Joy Reid

Posted by: Asshoes at November 11, 2020 04:11 PM (22mNy)

191 https://bit.ly/38AQfn0
*******
FEC Chairman Trey Trainor: "I Do Believe There Is Fraud in These Places -- If The Law Is Not Followed It Makes This an Illegitimate Election"

Posted by: Ghost Of Ruth Buzzi Ginsberg at November 11, 2020 04:11 PM (dbgR9)

192 While in the corps, myself and every Marine I knew looked up to mattis like he was superman, mostly based on his tough guy quotes. That atlantic piece he wrote about Trump made me realize what a piece of shit mattis actually is.
Posted by: Pine Barrens at November 11, 2020 04:10 PM

Mattis is the military equivalent of a great athlete that goes on to become a terrible coach or general manager.

Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at November 11, 2020 04:11 PM (LZ7Gl)

193 173
this is deliberate fraud, that means we revote.
Posted by: confederatefifth at November 11, 2020 04:10 PM (4Jold)

And the revote process - if there is one - is one day, one vote, valid ID. No mail ins, no extensions, no exceptions.

And US marshalls at ever polling station along with observers at all times. No one enters with boxes of ballots.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 11, 2020 04:11 PM (s2VJv)

194 And probably just sealed Pennsylvania's doom at the Supreme Court.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 11, 2020 04:10 PM (ZLI7S)

Did it? How do you prove voter fraud when the envelopes containing the post mark (or lack thereof), and the signature tying them to any individual voter are now just CO2 in our atmosphere?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2020 04:11 PM (UPoLF)

195 Philadelphia has destroyed all ballot envelopes.

This will make identifying naked ballots and ballots arriving post election impossible. It will also make finding fraud in an audit very hard.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 11, 2020 04:08 PM (ZLI7S)

--

Which is itself fraud and illegal, I'm guessing?

I wouldn't think you'd want all of Philly's ballots discarded, but okay. Your terms are acceptable.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - resign your senate seat Vice President Karmella at November 11, 2020 04:12 PM (Kt1w/)

196 54
I believe Mike Flynn was fired not because of insubordination but because he disagreed vehemently with Obama.

That is what is known as character. And because he knew where the bodies were buried, they railroaded him.

Scum.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 11, 2020 03:58 PM (s2VJv)

============================

What did the So Called Unbias Media (SCUM) have to do with it?

Posted by: I'm the Honey Badger, BITCH! at November 11, 2020 04:12 PM (0ta/n)

197 You know, so that there is absolutely no way to challenge the validity of any ballots.

They have a lot of practice at this.
Posted by: Harr

yeah, you destroy the evidence, that weighs against you

Posted by: confederatefifth at November 11, 2020 04:12 PM (4Jold)

198 Fair warning, there will be math.
https://tinyurl.com/yyjxkj8l
Posted by: JackStraw
~~~~~

Only about half way through that video, but...

holy crap.
Posted by: President-Elect IrishEi at November 11, 2020 04:09 PM (sGotD)

That is a great video. Watched it yesterday and my wife watched it. Very well explained and easy to understand.

Posted by: DR.WTF at November 11, 2020 04:12 PM (AiZBA)

199 Not a veteran, but the extraction from Afghanistan should be simple.
Send all air transport available to Afghanistan. Tell remaining foreign allies to get out ASAP, or prepare to stand alone. Change ROE to free fire. Disperse all vehicles to pick up US troops. Load all US supplied equipment into the vehicles available. Shoot or blow up everything that doesn't fit in the vehicles. Drive to nearest airbase. Unload troops and ammo. Scorch the earth around the airbase. Rig everything on the base to explode. Load troops onto plane. Leave. Blow up everything. Issue leave for all troops to go home for Thanksgiving.

Posted by: Downcast at November 11, 2020 04:12 PM (NrUWp)

200 @165...presence counts, as they say. A huge footprint is no good, I'll grant you, but more or less unrestricted ability ability to monitor in real time, and perhaps influence, events in that part of the world has value.

Posted by: occam's brassiere at November 11, 2020 04:12 PM (evxBY)

201 Remind me. Wasn't a US Soldier dishonorably discharged for refusing to wear a UN insignia in the 90's, failing to follow a lawful order?

Posted by: Mr. Barky at November 11, 2020 04:12 PM (hKi6n)

202 188
Not sure about PA, but in most States the envelope has to be kept by law, and if not, then those votes are tossed in a recount.

/orders stock in popcorn companies.
Posted by: Romeo13 at November 11, 2020 04:11 PM (NgKpN)

I guess Trump gets his 600,000 vote lead back. Or at least enough to get the 20 EVs.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 11, 2020 04:12 PM (s2VJv)

203 DR WTF - LOL

Posted by: rhomboid at November 11, 2020 04:13 PM (OTzUX)

204
That atlantic piece he wrote about Trump made me realize what a piece of shit mattis actually is.
Posted by: Pine Barrens at November 11, 2020 04:10 PM (oh+79)

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Mattis seems like one of those guys who, outside of their competence in the military sphere, are complete and utter dunces when dealing with anything political.

(see also: Douglas MacArthur, George Patton, Bernard Law Montgomery, Smedley Butler)

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 11, 2020 04:13 PM (mht8P)

205 if there is one - is one day, one vote, valid ID. No mail ins, no extensions, no exceptions.

And US marshalls at ever polling station along with observers at all times. No one enters with boxes of ballots.

Posted by: J.J.

1. yes

2. when

Posted by: confederatefifth at November 11, 2020 04:13 PM (4Jold)

206 If they threw away all the ballot envelopes how can this even begin to be challenged? Is there even a process to re-vote in PA? People need to be arrested.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 11, 2020 04:13 PM (WkPC9)

207 One thing to look at with Iraq and Iran. These represent major potential development markets. The rest of the ME is fairly advanced and much more limited in size/opportunity. You don't make a killing unless you get in the ground floor of nation building/rebuilding. Even better if that is subsidized, at lest at the start, by the US taxpayer.

And it's not just defense, but any multinational corporation -- McDonald's, Starbucks, Walmart, and the euro versions of same.

And since the elites are globalist, Iran may not do any business with he US but they will make money off of all the Euro companies looking to serve that market.

Posted by: Keith at November 11, 2020 04:13 PM (jdGlx)

208 I would bet that if you asked Biden about the Taliban, he'd say he prefers driving an Acura.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at November 11, 2020 04:13 PM (4a9Vv)

209 174 169 "Philadelphia has destroyed all ballot envelopes. "

***

Then make them vote again while the entire country watches the process.

And then Philadelphia can explain to everyone what happened to Biden's massive fan club there.

Posted by: Azathoth at November 11, 2020 04:14 PM (NTAz9)

210 Kendi (Twitter): The term "legal vote" is as fictionally fraught and functionally racist as the terms "illegal alien" and "race neutral" and "welfare queen" and "handouts" and "super predator" and "crackbaby" and "personal responsibility" and "post racial."

Posted by: Fraught with fiction at November 11, 2020 04:14 PM (BBWrU)

211 Getting out of Afghanistan before Trump leaves in 4 years is "rushed?"

Bite me.

Posted by: WitchDoktor at November 11, 2020 04:14 PM (wGxSf)

212 That was as predictable as the sun rising in the East.
And probably just sealed Pennsylvania's doom at the Supreme Court.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 11, 2020 04:10 PM (ZLI7S)

Maybe. Maybe not. They're going to 1930s Germany route here. They're doubling down, over and over again, and daring someone to call them on it. It's worked for them before.

I'm not saying you are wrong, or trying to pick a fight. I'm just saying I don't see it as automatic that they just made the losing play. I think they just pushed a bunch more chips into the pot, with the constant implication that they'll set the entire damn room on fire if they don't win.

Posted by: Always Be Lurking at November 11, 2020 04:14 PM (jDqdz)

213 Last Wednesday Esper gave an interview crowing about his gross insubordination and, in a nutshell, considered Trump persona non grata after the election.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 11, 2020 04:14 PM (/Dgcm)

214 >>>91 I not a fan of Jennifer Griffin, but she did have longer hair and lost it due to chemo. When it grew in she kept it short. Probably didn't grow in the same way.

sorry, i didn't know that. I delted references to her appearance.
Posted by: ace at November 11, 2020 04:03 PM (C+F5p)

It's why it's grey also. And Ace, not to pile on, but Griffin has been married to a man since 1994 and they have three kids together. She made a short documentary about her breast cancer diagnosis and her year of chemo and how she dealt with it and is active in breast cancer research fundraising and is on the speech circuit.

I believe she was the canary in the coal mine as to what was happening to Fox when she wrote the story about Losers and suckers. She had been a straight up reporter until then , normally not given to a lot of editorializing. Then that story was posted and her insistance it was true has blown all credibility as far as I can see.

Posted by: Jen the original at November 11, 2020 04:14 PM (fFmrc)

215 194 And probably just sealed Pennsylvania's doom at the Supreme Court.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 11, 2020 04:10 PM (ZLI7S)

Did it? How do you prove voter fraud when the envelopes containing the post mark (or lack thereof), and the signature tying them to any individual voter are now just CO2 in our atmosphere?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2020 04:11 PM (UPoLF)

Per Giuliani, courts have typically looked very skeptically at mail-in ballots, putting the burden of proof on the person proposing them. By demonstrating that safeguards needed to properly validate the ballots were not followed and by presenting more discrete examples of fraudulent activity, he intends to ask the courts to toss out the mail-in ballots entirely for a few areas. Hundreds of thousands of ballots, yes.

Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 11, 2020 04:14 PM (Zm+LZ)

216 175 Possibly my favorite thing about Trump is his making the left defend the military-industrial complex.
Posted by: Ian S. at November 11, 2020 04:10 PM (ZGrMX)

Ike famously warned about the Military Industrial Complex in that speech.

He ALSO warned about an Educational Technical Elite. That we could not allow educators or scientists, make policy.

Funny how the Dems are for BOTH of those.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 11, 2020 04:14 PM (NgKpN)

217 151 113. Fair pt. ...
Posted by: Buckaroo at November 11, 2020 04:08 PM (6egPo)

And not just Mattis either. There are a lot of these guys sitting on international boards, using their former status to not only get ahead financially, but to provide access to the Pentagon.

If we were going to have a reckoning, there are a lot of these guys who could be charged with all sorts of crimes, up to and including treason.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 11, 2020 04:14 PM (hku12)

218 Texas Lt. Governor Dan Patrick announced Tuesday that he would pay up to $1 million from his campaign account to incentivize, encourage and reward people to come forward and report voter fraud from anywhere in the country, CBS Dallas / Fort Worth reports. "Whistleblowers and tipsters should turn over their evidence to local law enforcement. Anyone who provides information that leads to an arrest and final conviction of voter fraud will be paid a minimum of $25,000," said Patrick in a news release.

Posted by: SMOD at November 11, 2020 04:14 PM (3aI0K)

219 Did it? How do you prove voter fraud when the envelopes containing the post mark (or lack thereof), and the signature tying them to any individual voter are now just CO2 in our atmosphere?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes

Prove it's a valid ballot.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 11, 2020 04:14 PM (aMV0K)

220

Deutsche Bank calls for a 5 percent 'privilege' tax on people choosing to work from home
The financial firm says that this tax could generate millions for front-line workers.

and

Deutsche Bank calls for a baby boomer tax to narrow the generational wealth gap with millennials

The bank proposes taxes on primary residences and other assets such as stocks and bonds as boomers sell them into retirement to avoid higher income taxes.

Posted by: Sunny at November 11, 2020 04:14 PM (sfhL4)

221 The Russians left Affganistan after 8 years. We're still there 20 years later.

C'Mom man

Posted by: Asshoes at November 11, 2020 04:14 PM (22mNy)

222 DR WTF - LOL
Posted by: rhomboid at November 11, 2020 04:13 PM (OTzUX)

what? I dindu nuffin funny.

Posted by: DR.WTF at November 11, 2020 04:15 PM (AiZBA)

223 If Philadelphia destroyed the envelopes then they cannot prove the votes are legitimate.

Sorry not sorry.

Posted by: WitchDoktor at November 11, 2020 04:15 PM (wGxSf)

224
162 Here's how the GOP can win yuugely bigly yugge

1. Become the anti-war party.

2. Become the anti-billionaire party with 95% taxes on the likes of Cuckerberg and Bezos

Out left the left at its own game.
Posted by: Asshoes at November 11, 2020 04:09 PM (22mNy)

------

With a carve out for NYC real estate developers with golden scalp weasels.

Posted by: MAGA (stop the steal link in this nic) at November 11, 2020 04:15 PM (eMEkg)

225 This will make identifying naked ballots and ballots arriving post election impossible. It will also make finding fraud in an audit very hard.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 11, 2020 04:08 PM (ZLI7S)

I think Nevada did this also

Posted by: will choose a nic later at November 11, 2020 04:15 PM (GIeIM)

226 Which is itself fraud and illegal, I'm guessing?

I wouldn't think you'd want all of Philly's ballots discarded, but okay. Your terms are acceptable.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - resign your senate seat Vice President Karmella at November 11, 2020 04:12 PM (Kt1w/)

I don't know what PA election law actually says.

But I think the court is going want some actual proof of election fraud and not just "well, it looks fishy, but unfortunately the Philly folks destroyed all the evidence" and the Philly folks say "we were just following the processes that were laid out for us. Oops, was that wrong? Shit. Well, next time we won't do that."

I'm not very optimistic to be honest. I can't see the court saying "well, we're throwing out millions of votes and potentially swaying a presidential election"

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2020 04:15 PM (UPoLF)

227 Philadelphia has destroyed all ballot envelopes.

This will make identifying naked ballots and ballots arriving post election impossible. It will also make finding fraud in an audit very hard.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 11, 2020 04:08 PM (ZLI7S)

For the love of ever fuck.

And nothing will happen to anyone over this.

Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at November 11, 2020 04:15 PM (GbPPJ)

228 Mattis will be fine. He has all that money he got out of Theranos.
A real genius, that guy.

Posted by: Ktgreat at November 11, 2020 04:15 PM (AD3JT)

229 see also: Douglas MacArthur, George Patton, Bernard Law Montgomery, Smedley Butler)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 11, 2020 04:13 PM (mht8P)

Douglas MacArthur should not be on that list at all.

Posted by: Alabaster Jones at November 11, 2020 04:15 PM (kk1fo)

230 "What is this awful event that is supposed to take place when we leave Afghanistan?

Posted by: Stout"

Honestly? Whole lot of pointy-end people back in CONUS.

They've been trying to have their cake and eat it too; they want defense pork, and a big dick to wave at hostile powers when needed for both practical and self esteem reasons, but they want the deplorable, nasty, angry people that make up that dick to spend as much time outside CONUS as possible.

When the legions don't back you, you send them off to interminable wars in bumblebuck before you start some serious shit at home.

Posted by: there are only three star wars films at November 11, 2020 04:15 PM (EEVQU)

231 Mattis is the military equivalent of a great athlete that goes on to become a terrible coach or general manager.

Or a tranny.

Posted by: dartist at November 11, 2020 04:16 PM (+ya+t)

232 223 If Philadelphia destroyed the envelopes then they cannot prove the votes are legitimate.

Sorry not sorry.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at November 11, 2020 04:15 PM (wGxSf)

The burden of proof will be on the Trump campaign to show that the votes are not legitimate.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2020 04:16 PM (UPoLF)

233 Philly Vote Counters: You told us only to segregate the ballots, not keep the envelopes.

Justice Alito: So where are the segregated ballots?

Philly Vote Counters: Yeah, we didn't do that either.

Justice Alito:

Posted by: SH at November 11, 2020 04:16 PM (sX1BW)

234 Philadelphia has destroyed all ballot envelopes.

-

No massive fraud, though. Just normal fraud. They're admitting it.

Trump you magnificent orange bastard, I'm at the point where I won't be surprised if California has been trying to be red for years.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - resign your senate seat Vice President Karmella at November 11, 2020 04:16 PM (Kt1w/)

235
"Knowledgeable sources tell me..."

"Multiple sources familiar with the president's thinking say..."

"According to sources close to the White House..."

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at November 11, 2020 04:16 PM (KREfy)

236 burning the envelopes is blatant destruction of evidence. They just made Trumps case.

Posted by: Xipe Totec-MAGAfauna at November 11, 2020 04:16 PM (o2MD2)

237 Can't see how on earth Phila's ballots with no provenance evidence (envelopes, for voter ID and date of receipt) can possibly be included in the count.

But thrilled to hear it.

This is quietly the biggest actual domestic crisis the US has faced in my lifetime, and likely for some time before.

If clumsy, brazen, in-your-face, ham-handed, Zimbabwe-style fraud does not result in election results being altered or voided, then not hyperbole to say the country has ceased to be a lawfully ruled democratic republic.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 11, 2020 04:16 PM (OTzUX)

238 Silly question but is there any kind of guidance statement in PA or elsewhere on how envelopes should normally be handled?

Alternatively, wouldn't maintaining chain of custody have been a reasonable interpretation of the Alito "segregation" order?

Posted by: Zek at November 11, 2020 04:16 PM (lcQJG)

239 Mattis is the military equivalent of a great athlete that goes on to become a terrible coach or general manager.
Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at November 11, 2020 04:11 PM (LZ7Gl)

Anybody who makes it to the top tier of military leadership may be a good military leader/good military mind. But maybe not. You DO know they are excellent politicians.

Posted by: Keith at November 11, 2020 04:16 PM (jdGlx)

240 We knew on election night that Philly three away those envelopes. They are daring SCOTUS or their own legislature to interfere, and the commies are betting neither institution has the stones to do so.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at November 11, 2020 04:16 PM (svbBD)

241 Mattis is the military equivalent of a great athlete that goes on to become a terrible coach or general manager.
Posted by: Biggs Darklighte

he is the bruce jenner of the marines

Posted by: confederatefifth at November 11, 2020 04:17 PM (4Jold)

242 227 Philadelphia has destroyed all ballot envelopes.

This will make identifying naked ballots and ballots arriving post election impossible. It will also make finding fraud in an audit very hard.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 11, 2020 04:08 PM (ZLI7S)

For the love of ever fuck.

And nothing will happen to anyone over this.
Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at November 11, 2020 04:15 PM (GbPPJ)

True, but as some have suggested, this invalidates the ballots by not having the signature attached. Not sure how you determine what belongs where but it might even invalidate the entire election and give cause to award the EVs to Trump.

I could be wrong.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 11, 2020 04:17 PM (s2VJv)

243 Anybody with any integrity in the judicial system should immediately throw out all philly votes... will there be any at all that have the backbone?

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 11, 2020 04:17 PM (r+sAi)

244 burning the envelopes is blatant destruction of evidence. They just made Trumps case.
Posted by: Xipe Totec-MAGAfauna at November 11, 2020 04:16 PM (o2MD2)

It sure strikes me as a crime.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at November 11, 2020 04:17 PM (rTgbC)

245 "War Whore" is a great name for a band ace. Is it OK to name my ukulele band that?

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at November 11, 2020 04:17 PM (7Y5nA)

246 >>Deutsche Bank calls for a baby boomer tax to narrow the generational wealth gap with millennials

I am calling for a 30% excise Tax on ALL transactions with Deutsche Bank and any/all Subsidiaries thereof.

We'll call it the Bitch Tax.

Posted by: garrett at November 11, 2020 04:17 PM (5W9kq)

247 233 Philly Vote Counters: You told us only to segregate the ballots, not keep the envelopes.

Justice Alito: So where are the segregated ballots?

Philly Vote Counters: Yeah, we didn't do that either.

Justice Alito:
Posted by: SH at November 11, 2020 04:16 PM (sX1BW)

___

Roberts: It's a tax, fuck all y'all. Case dimissed.

Posted by: Asshoes at November 11, 2020 04:17 PM (22mNy)

248 Anybody got a link to the ballot envelopes being destroyed ?

Posted by: Always Be Lurking at November 11, 2020 04:17 PM (jDqdz)

249 The Russians left Affganistan after 8 years. We're still there 20 years later.

C'Mom man
Posted by: Asshoes at November 11, 2020 04:14 PM (22mNy)

Illogical comparison.

Posted by: Alabaster Jones at November 11, 2020 04:17 PM (kk1fo)

250 242 227 Philadelphia has destroyed all ballot envelopes.

This will make identifying naked ballots and ballots arriving post election impossible. It will also make finding fraud in an audit very hard.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 11, 2020 04:08 PM (ZLI7S)

For the love of ever fuck.

And nothing will happen to anyone over this.
Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at November 11, 2020 04:15 PM (GbPPJ)

True, but as some have suggested, this invalidates the ballots by not having the signature attached. Not sure how you determine what belongs where but it might even invalidate the entire election and give cause to award the EVs to Trump.

I could be wrong.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 11, 2020 04:17 PM (s2VJv)

Giuliani says he's going to be asking for the tossing of hundreds of thousands of mail-in ballots in PA as the remedy there.

Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 11, 2020 04:17 PM (Zm+LZ)

251 Not sure about PA, but in most States the envelope has to be kept by law, and if not, then those votes are tossed in a recount.

/orders stock in popcorn companies.
Posted by: Romeo13 at November 11, 2020 04:11 PM (NgKpN)
**********
Did it? How do you prove voter fraud when the envelopes containing the post mark (or lack thereof), and the signature tying them to any individual voter are now just CO2 in our atmosphere?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2020 04:11 PM (UPo
********
Just me, But it helps to know what you are talking about

Posted by: Ghost Of Ruth Buzzi Ginsberg at November 11, 2020 04:17 PM (dbgR9)

252 Wars have been moneymakers as long as human history. Reading a massive volume on the 30 years war in the 1600s, so far seems to me to be just that, a moneymaker for the Royals.

Posted by: Skip at November 11, 2020 04:17 PM (9sWOw)

253
I'm not very optimistic to be honest. I can't see the court saying "well, we're throwing out millions of votes and potentially swaying a presidential election"

--

If the votes cannot be proven legitimate, then the default view is that they are not.

This isn't the court throwing out votes. This is Philadelphia not taking care and therefore making them invalid.

Blame where it belongs.

Posted by: WitchDoktor at November 11, 2020 04:17 PM (wGxSf)

254 Philadelphia has destroyed all ballot envelopes.
.........

How corn-venient.

Posted by: wth at November 11, 2020 04:18 PM (v0R5T)

255 19 years == "premature".

Posted by: a.moron at November 11, 2020 04:18 PM (bjCNA)

256 I think The Donald truly despises the part of CiC where you tell loved ones their soldier is dead. The previous guys, including Biden, not so much.

Posted by: EveR at November 11, 2020 04:18 PM (R0z7P)

257 > If Philadelphia destroyed the envelopes then they cannot prove the votes are legitimate.

Then they all have to be thrown out.

Revote, let the legislature decide, whatever the courts determine.

But the tainted ballots cannot be allowed to count.

Posted by: President-Elect Rodrigo Borgia at November 11, 2020 04:18 PM (VikfB)

258 Burning envelopes = systemic fraud

Posted by: Tommyboy at November 11, 2020 04:18 PM (HU93f)

259 Obviously what we are witnessing now has been the leftist electoral equivalent of a riot, arson, looting, and murder- something everyone has been all too familiarized with over the summer.

The question now is whether the various elected officials and the judiciary are going to stand up and say "They just need room to destroy."

"In Defense Of Stolen Elections", I'm sure all sorts of books are being written now by "conservative" authors.

Posted by: Common Tater at November 11, 2020 04:18 PM (pQrYJ)

260 I remember a couple of years ago I was sitting on the back dock at work on a empty 5 gallon pickle bucket smoking a cigarette and a couple of the kitchen guys were out there, one a 40-something hippie type, the other a late 20's Che Guevara t-shirt wearer

They were yapping about Trump and the industrial military complex. Blah, blah.

When I got done with my cigarette, I told the younger guy "Trump is trying to pull us out of forever war you stupid f*cking c*cksucker."

My boss later asked me if I had called the guy a c*cksucker. I said I did not, I called him a stupid, f*cking c*cksucker.

Nothing else was really said.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at November 11, 2020 04:18 PM (WJXFc)

261 "227
Philadelphia has destroyed all ballot envelopes.

This will make identifying naked ballots and ballots arriving post
election impossible. It will also make finding fraud in an audit very
hard.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 11, 2020 04:08 PM (ZLI7S)

For the love of ever fuck.

And nothing will happen to anyone over this.

Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at November 11, 2020 04:15 PM (GbPPJ)"

Wrong take, I think. When a court, especially a court with an inflated sense of importance, tells you not to do something, you don't do the thing in an irreversible way and then helicopter your junk at them while giving them the raspberry.

Unless enough of the court is in on it, or you have them by the balls.

Posted by: there are only three star wars films at November 11, 2020 04:18 PM (EEVQU)

262 That sounds like spoilation of evidence to me, if true.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at November 11, 2020 04:18 PM (7o4Oo)

263 Trump needs to hurry these things up.

Victory Tits await.

Posted by: Sponge - TRUMP WON! at November 11, 2020 04:18 PM (Zz0t1)

264 234 Philadelphia has destroyed all ballot envelopes.

-

No massive fraud, though. Just normal fraud. They're admitting it.

Trump you magnificent orange bastard, I'm at the point where I won't be surprised if California has been trying to be red for years.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - resign your senate seat Vice President Karmella at November 11, 2020 04:16 PM (Kt1w/)

I have been thinking this as well about NJ and NY. Trump might not have lost them in a blowout. The blue state counts might be a lot closer than we know but for the ballot stuffing we don't know about because we assume it will be a blue state blowout beforehand.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 11, 2020 04:18 PM (s2VJv)

265
Who wants to bet their left nut Douche Bank execs donated to biden?

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at November 11, 2020 04:18 PM (KREfy)

266 Prove it's a valid ballot.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 11, 2020 04:14 PM (aMV0K)

I'm at the outer limits of my knowledge on election law here, but I'm going to say I'm pretty sure the burden will be on team trump to prove that the ballots are NOT valid.

And besides, they're going for an equal protection argument it looks like. As in, mail in ballots in D counties were treated differently then in person voting in R counties.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2020 04:19 PM (UPoLF)

267 True, but as some have suggested, this invalidates the ballots by not having the signature attached. Not sure how you determine what belongs where but it might even invalidate the entire election and give cause to award the EVs to Trump.

I could be wrong.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 11, 2020 04:17 PM (s2VJv)

Nothing is going to happen. Well, nothing negative to anyone.

This is outright how's my ass taste to Alito. And NOTHING is going to happen.

Fuck it, I say that all the cases saying abortion is legal be ignored. Since we can just do that now.

Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at November 11, 2020 04:19 PM (GbPPJ)

268 Posted by: MIRROR UNIVERSE NEIL GORSUCH at November 11, 2020 04:18 PM (Pzzpr)

You DICK!!!!

Posted by: Jeff Spicoli at November 11, 2020 04:19 PM (Zz0t1)

269 Giuliani says he's going to be asking for the tossing of hundreds of thousands of mail-in ballots in PA as the remedy there.
Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 11, 2020 04:17 PM (Zm+LZ)

Roberts is never, never, never, never going to get on board with that.

Posted by: DoublySymmetric at November 11, 2020 04:19 PM (XeEyo)

270 232 223 If Philadelphia destroyed the envelopes then they cannot prove the votes are legitimate.

Sorry not sorry.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at November 11, 2020 04:15 PM (wGxSf)

The burden of proof will be on the Trump campaign to show that the votes are not legitimate.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2020 04:16 PM (UPoLF)

According to Giuliani, this is not true for mail-in ballots. In order for mail-in ballots to be counted, there is a process to declare them legitimate. Since that wasn't followed...

Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 11, 2020 04:19 PM (Zm+LZ)

271 >>But the tainted ballots cannot be allowed to count.

'taint right to count'em!

Posted by: garrett at November 11, 2020 04:19 PM (6r/Ar)

272 @davidchapman141

Philadelphia has destroyed all ballot envelopes.

This will make identifying naked ballots and ballots arriving post election impossible. It will also make finding fraud in an audit very hard.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 11, 2020 04:08 PM (ZLI7S)

This alone should trigger the Constitutional right for the GOP to choose Trump for PA

Posted by: Sunny at November 11, 2020 04:19 PM (sfhL4)

273 Fair warning, there will be math.
https://tinyurl.com/yyjxkj8l
Posted by: JackStraw

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I like how the stats guy is asked if this was possible without fraud, and he said that he was a scientist, so he could not say zero percent, with a smile that said it was zero percent.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 11, 2020 04:19 PM (YCeEB)

274 Deutsche Bank calls for a baby boomer tax to narrow the generational wealth gap with millennials

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I agree with this. But only applicable to those with net worth over $50M who work in NYC in the finance industry.

Posted by: Asshoes at November 11, 2020 04:19 PM (22mNy)

275 "259
YOU DEFEATIST PEARL CLUTCHERS SHOULD LOOK AT LIN WOOD'S NEW TWITTERS.

Posted by: MIRROR UNIVERSE NEIL GORSUCH at November 11, 2020 04:18 PM (Pzzpr)"

Are they in pearls as a tribute to Harris? That was a real thing the other day. Thanks, 4chan.

Posted by: there are only three star wars films at November 11, 2020 04:20 PM (EEVQU)

276 > The Russians left Affganistan after 8 years. We're still there 20 years later.

They appear to be smarter than we are.

"No wodka. No hookers. Russian way of life, is not possible this place."

Posted by: President-Elect Rodrigo Borgia at November 11, 2020 04:20 PM (VikfB)

277 What's the sources for the Philly envelope claim btw?

Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at November 11, 2020 04:20 PM (GbPPJ)

278 Withdrawn: Decrease in Hospitalization for COVID-19 after Mask Mandates in 1083 U.S. Counties (Originally submitted Oct 23)

The authors have withdrawn this manuscript because there are increased rates of SARS-CoV-2 cases in the areas that we originally analyzed in this study

https://tinyurl.com/y43696az

Posted by: Almost like it was Propaganda at November 11, 2020 04:20 PM (BBWrU)

279 I'm not very optimistic to be honest. I can't see the court saying
"well, we're throwing out millions of votes and potentially swaying a
presidential election"

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The Court on its own won't save us. But it can provide cover.

Posted by: SH at November 11, 2020 04:20 PM (sX1BW)

280 But I think the court is going want some actual proof of election fraud and not just "well, it looks fishy, but unfortunately the Philly folks destroyed all the evidence" and the Philly folks say "we were just following the processes that were laid out for us. Oops, was that wrong? Shit. Well, next time we won't do that."

--

I would hope that if a law exists, and a law isn't followed, then the reason the law exists is viewed as the catalyst for breaking the law.

Also there iare now a metric sh*t-ton of black people who were disenfranchised with this intermingling and law-breaking. 1st Amendment civil rights violations etc.

Something has to give.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - resign your senate seat Vice President Karmella at November 11, 2020 04:20 PM (Kt1w/)

281 Mattis was a book educated Marine. He didn't serve in Vietnam and spent most of his career in the classroom.

Posted by: Alabaster Jones at November 11, 2020 04:20 PM (kk1fo)

282 148 @davidchapman141

Philadelphia has destroyed all ballot envelopes.

This will make identifying naked ballots and ballots arriving post election impossible. It will also make finding fraud in an audit very hard.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 11, 2020 04:08 PM (ZLI7S)

+++++

Holy shit they did it. I wondered if they would have the balls.

Remember SCOTUS gave them a polite warning before the election. Basically saying "be ware, if you don't follow the rules it could be bad."

Then after the election SCOTUS (Alito) gave them another statement, basically saying "well you were warned, and if you fuck it up you could see ALL your mail in ballots tossed, so I hope you kept your receipts."

Now Philly is saying "nope. Threw em away. What'cha gonna do about it?"

"What's he gonna do? Stab me?"
-last words of guy who was stabbed

What Philly has done is literally obstruction of justice. And they didn't just throw the bird at some rando Billy Bob Judge in podunk West Virginia. They threw a giant foam middle finger at the highest court in the land.

THIS IS THE OPPOISITE OF A SMALL FUCKING DEAL

Posted by: Shenanigans at November 11, 2020 04:20 PM (ZR7kf)

283 The burden of proof will be on the Trump campaign to show that the votes are not legitimate.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2020 04:16 PM (UPoLF)

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I don't think a Court would require the proving of a negative.

Posted by: WitchDoktor at November 11, 2020 04:20 PM (wGxSf)

284 A tiny bit of logic says if the votes were legitimate keep the envelopes to prove same. Burned envelopes is an overt admission of fraud.

Posted by: Xipe Totec-MAGAfauna at November 11, 2020 04:20 PM (o2MD2)

285 277 What's the sources for the Philly envelope claim btw?
Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at November 11, 2020 04:20 PM (GbPPJ)

It's an anonymous source...

Off I go...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 11, 2020 04:20 PM (s2VJv)

286 Deutsche Bank calls for a baby boomer tax to narrow the generational wealth gap with millennials

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My counter proposal: Millenials stop buying $20 craft beer and start investing their money instead.

Posted by: Asshoes at November 11, 2020 04:21 PM (22mNy)

287 > Roberts is never, never, never, never going to get on board with that.

Roberts can go fuck himself. He's irrelevant.

Posted by: President-Elect Rodrigo Borgia at November 11, 2020 04:21 PM (VikfB)

288 Posted by: Bitter Clinger at November 11, 2020 04:18 PM (WJXFc)

That was some kind of Haiku. It was good.

Posted by: DR.WTF at November 11, 2020 04:21 PM (AiZBA)

289 He insists on himself.
Posted by: garrett at November 11, 2020 04:00 PM (UJccu)

iswydt

Posted by: db at November 11, 2020 04:21 PM (E0PSG)

290 I have been thinking this as well about NJ and NY. Trump might not have lost them in a blowout. The blue state counts might be a lot closer than we know but for the ballot stuffing we don't know about because we assume it will be a blue state blowout beforehand.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 11, 2020 04:18 PM (s2VJv)

Agreed. Anecdotally, I know a lot of people in NJ, NY, and CT.

Lots of apathetic people. Lots of conservativish people who say "fuck it, no reason to vote, Dems always win," but I also know a lot of conservative people in the tri state area.

And liberals, as well, obviously.

But I've been making this point for a few days -- if we can't trust opinion polls & cant trust election results, how do we know for sure that the country isn't way more red then we think it is?

Anecdotally, I think I know more R's or R leaning people in the tri state area then D's.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2020 04:21 PM (UPoLF)

291 I don't think the burden of proof in an election integrity case is as many seem to think, but I could be wrong. One doesn't have to document that in fact your guy won by X votes, and here's the fake ballots that make up the difference. You have to show the process by which results were reached are not reliable, likely have involved fraud, and/or did not follow relevant laws.

But we'll all be finding out about this soon enough.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 11, 2020 04:21 PM (OTzUX)

292 well, I'm no expert, but the Constitution says that the state legislature determines how the electors for the EC are to be chosen. The PA Supreme Ct changed the rules to allow three extra days for ballots to be accepted and counted.
Could be grounds for the PA legislature to decide which electors get to vote in the Elec College, and I believe the Repubs control both Houses there.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at November 11, 2020 04:21 PM (4a9Vv)

293 WHAT WOULD GEORGE PATTON DO.?

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/11/what_would_george_patton_do.html

Posted by: Hepcat at November 11, 2020 04:21 PM (5b+Sr)

294 281 Mattis was a book educated Marine. He didn't serve in Vietnam and spent most of his career in the classroom.
Posted by: Alabaster Jones at November 11, 2020 04:20 PM (kk1fo)

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So where did he get the tough guy reputation from?

Posted by: Asshoes at November 11, 2020 04:21 PM (22mNy)

295 hand that motherfucker Esper over to the troops and their families. Mad Dog too.

Posted by: x at November 11, 2020 04:21 PM (0tE/i)

296 I'm at the outer limits of my knowledge on election law here, but I'm going to say I'm pretty sure the burden will be on team trump to prove that the ballots are NOT valid.

And besides, they're going for an equal protection argument it looks like. As in, mail in ballots in D counties were treated differently then in person voting in R counties.
Posted by: Harry

why, if somebody destroys evidence in a suit it is assumed the destroyed information was presudicial against the destroyer, same here.

it is their decision to destroy evidence required to be maintained.

Posted by: confederatefifth at November 11, 2020 04:21 PM (4Jold)

297 Didn't Tapper's Preezy McJeezus promise to get out of Afghanistan?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 11, 2020 04:22 PM (oVJmc)

298 I agree with this. But only applicable to those with net worth over $50M who work in NYC in the finance industry.

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I am no longer supporting business owners worth more than $1B.

Tax them at 90%

Posted by: Moron Robbie - resign your senate seat Vice President Karmella at November 11, 2020 04:22 PM (Kt1w/)

299 188 148 @davidchapman141

Philadelphia has destroyed all ballot envelopes.

This will make identifying naked ballots and ballots arriving post election impossible. It will also make finding fraud in an audit very hard.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 11, 2020 04:08 PM (ZLI7S)

Not sure about PA, but in most States the envelope has to be kept by law, and if not, then those votes are tossed in a recount.

/orders stock in popcorn companies.
Posted by: Romeo13 at November 11, 2020 04:11 PM (NgKpN)

One caution on this: Were they scanned to create electronic records? That's what we do in Texas. All the absentee ballots and the envelopes they were in (both the inside and outside envelope) are scanned and they become public records (with who you voted for redacted).

Posted by: Maverick (TM) at November 11, 2020 04:22 PM (jK8Z7)

300 Hello Horde,

Breaking cover to say F the deep state right up the A sans lubricant.

Delurking Checklist:

✔ Basement

✔ Pants off

✔ Beverage of choice

✔ Didn't read the content

Posted by: I am Pasquinel & I am not afraid to say TRUMP WON at November 11, 2020 04:22 PM (I8jn/)

301 269 Giuliani says he's going to be asking for the tossing of hundreds of thousands of mail-in ballots in PA as the remedy there.
Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 11, 2020 04:17 PM (Zm+LZ)

Roberts is never, never, never, never going to get on board with that.
Posted by: DoublySymmetric at November 11, 2020 04:19 PM (XeEyo)
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As it happens, it may not matter what Roberts thinks. ***ACB enters the room***

Posted by: WisRich at November 11, 2020 04:22 PM (G0vdT)

302 205 if there is one - is one day, one vote, valid ID. No mail ins, no extensions, no exceptions.

And US marshalls at ever polling station along with observers at all times. No one enters with boxes of ballots.

Posted by: J.J.

1. yes

2. when

Posted by: confederatefifth

My only issue with this is military votes. How can we fit them into the picture?

Posted by: Tonypete at November 11, 2020 04:22 PM (Rvt88)

303 >>Philadelphia has destroyed all ballot envelopes.

This will make identifying naked ballots and ballots arriving post election impossible. It will also make finding fraud in an audit very hard.
- - - -

Gee, think Justice Alito will take that news well?

Posted by: Lizzy at November 11, 2020 04:22 PM (bDqIh)

304 Also, massive fraud could help explain why it seems that every city is massively, overwhelmingly blue, while everywhere that's not a city is not.

Because its strange to me how that works, and I think it's strange to a lot of people.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2020 04:22 PM (UPoLF)

305 I don't think a Court would require the proving of a negative.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at November 11, 2020 04:20

when did Philly stop beating their wife anyway??

Posted by: will choose a nic later at November 11, 2020 04:22 PM (GIeIM)

306 So where did he get the tough guy reputation from?

They say he wrote a lot of his own myth. Real self-promoter.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 11, 2020 04:22 PM (oVJmc)

307 The sc is not going to take lightly PA deliberately refusing to obey them.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 11, 2020 04:22 PM (YCeEB)

308 287 > Roberts is never, never, never, never going to get on board with that.

Roberts can go fuck himself. He's irrelevant.

Posted by: President-Elect Rodrigo Borgia at November 11, 2020 04:21 PM (VikfB)

I think it likely that he pulls Kav and/or Gorsuch along with him.

We're pretty much at the point where the PA congress has to do something then.

Posted by: DoublySymmetric at November 11, 2020 04:22 PM (XeEyo)

309 261- piggybacking on the thought- very likely even the lib members of scotus will look askance on this. Basically it's a Philly "fuck you!" to Alito. They will protect their power above all else.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at November 11, 2020 04:22 PM (7o4Oo)

310 My favorite argument I've seen from the war lobby so far is "If we pull out of Afghanistan, the Russians could move in!"

Yeah, and? Do you remember how that went for them last time?

Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at November 11, 2020 04:23 PM (LZ7Gl)

311 Mr. Wood is flame throwing all over twatters.

I certainly hope he's not fucking up and that he actually can back up the flames he's throwing.

Posted by: Sponge - TRUMP WON! at November 11, 2020 04:23 PM (Zz0t1)

312 302
My only issue with this is military votes. How can we fit them into the picture?
Posted by: Tonypete at November 11, 2020 04:22 PM (Rvt8

Ugh. Agreed of course.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 11, 2020 04:23 PM (s2VJv)

313 Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at November 11, 2020 04:18 PM (KREfy)

Douche Bank. That's quite clever. Sure, they donated to Biden. They're globalists.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 11, 2020 04:23 PM (WkPC9)

314 >Philadelphia has destroyed all ballot envelopes.

Or they never had them to begin with.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 11, 2020 04:23 PM (oVJmc)

315 Easy remedy for all - hold the count at what it was as of election day, Tuesday, at 11:59pm before pallets of ballots started to show up.

They do have timeline tally for every district in every state.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 11, 2020 04:23 PM (/Dgcm)

316 I am no longer supporting business owners worth more than $1B.

Tax them at 90%
Posted by: Moron Robbie - resign your senate seat Vice President Karmella at November 11, 2020 04:22 PM (Kt1w/)

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Agreed. I'd lower the threshold to $100M though. I want big dick Wall St Dems to pay as well as small dick tech people.

Posted by: Asshoes at November 11, 2020 04:23 PM (22mNy)

317 > One caution on this: Were they scanned to create electronic records? That's what we do in Texas.

I think the original documents should be required to be kept for some reasonable period of time (5 years, maybe).

After that, I'd be okay with scanning them.

Posted by: President-Elect Rodrigo Borgia at November 11, 2020 04:23 PM (VikfB)

318 My only issue with this is military votes. How can we fit them into the picture?
Posted by: Tonypete at November 11, 2020 04:22 PM (Rvt8

Let them vote wherever they're stationed. If they're overseas, I don't know. I mean, how many people are we really talking about here?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2020 04:23 PM (UPoLF)

319 Anybody who makes it to the top tier of military leadership may be a good military leader/good military mind. But maybe not. You DO know they are excellent politicians.
Posted by: Keith at November 11, 2020 04:16 PM (jdGlx)

I worked for an Admiral once... COMSUBPAC... guy in charge of all the US Subs for half the world.

He was not the sharpest knife in the six pack...

Luckily, he knew it.

He once told me 'Staff IS Policy.' Staff makes the plans, then the Commander chooses which plan, but then staff must make that plan a reality.

Trump's staff has hindered, if not outright sabotaged him, at almost every turn.

Problem is, that he was not really in control of his Staff, as the Senate has to sign off on his 'staff'.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 11, 2020 04:23 PM (NgKpN)

320 Even if the Supreme Court punts, which I doubt, in what world would the Republican legislature of PA agree to certify an obviously fraudulent election and hand the presidency to Biden?

I realize snarky and cynicism rule the day but any Republican who voted to certify this election knowing what the world knows would lose their job in the next election. The pressure on them from their voters and the entire Republican party would crush them.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 11, 2020 04:23 PM (ZLI7S)

321 We're pretty much at the point where the PA congress has to do something then.
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Need cover from SCOTUS. I don't know what that cover would be but something.

Posted by: SH at November 11, 2020 04:23 PM (sX1BW)

322 > Or they never had them to begin with.

That was my thought.

"Destroyed". Yeah. How convenient.

Posted by: President-Elect Rodrigo Borgia at November 11, 2020 04:24 PM (VikfB)

323 And I was so hoping that America might rekindle a 21st century version of The Great Game with another power in the region.

After being there for 20 years, I guess it just wasn't meant to be.

Posted by: Curly Shuffle at November 11, 2020 04:24 PM (ch6++)

324 I agree with this. But only applicable to those with net worth over $50M who work in NYC in the finance industry.
Posted by: Asshoes

the thing is is, that would be nobody. thee ae already apps that track your gps so you avoid being in NY enough to be obligated to pay their taxes.

Posted by: confederatefifth at November 11, 2020 04:24 PM (4Jold)

325 307 The sc is not going to take lightly PA deliberately refusing to obey them.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 11, 2020 04:22 PM (YCeEB)

This is the third time. They twice told Alito to go fuck himself about the ballot segregation.

Roberts or no Roberts, if SCOTUS is allegedly the holy body he claims it is, these bastards need to be punished and the ballots tossed.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 11, 2020 04:24 PM (s2VJv)

326 yeah, you destroy the evidence, that weighs against you

Posted by: confederatefifth at November 11, 2020 04:12 PM (4Jold)

_______

Consciousness of guilt.

Posted by: ShainS at November 11, 2020 04:24 PM (WqPYg)

327 Cops arrive at the scene. You are sitting there watching TV (fux news) and your wife is on the couch in a pool of blood with 3 bullet holes in her chest. No gun around, so the cops excuse themselves and call it natural cause death. Right?

Posted by: Xipe Totec-MAGAfauna at November 11, 2020 04:24 PM (o2MD2)

328 Well - I guess this will come out - did Philly really shit can all those envelopes or not. It looks like the same fight the Trump Team was going for in Michigan. Last I looked - they got blocked there. But I could be wrong.

Let's say SCOTUS lets this slide. That's a shit-storm, but also a point of clarity. We can quit holding our nose and voting GOPe at that point. OK - spoiler - I've quit holding my nose after Romney. But you get it.

It also implies a bunch of stuff about just how patriotic and such you should really be. I'll leave that for another day. If that evidence really got torched - that's a big deal.

Posted by: Always Be Lurking at November 11, 2020 04:25 PM (jDqdz)

329 316 I am no longer supporting business owners worth more than $1B.

Tax them at 90%
Posted by: Moron Robbie - resign your senate seat Vice President Karmella at November 11, 2020 04:22 PM (Kt1w/)

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Agreed. I'd lower the threshold to $100M though. I want big dick Wall St Dems to pay as well as small dick tech people.
Posted by: Asshoes at November 11, 2020 04:23 PM (22mNy)

This does run into a question of how precisely we would execute this. The best angle would seem to the be the wealth tax but I don't think the tax code offers great tools to specifically target people(outside of the IRS).

Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 11, 2020 04:25 PM (Zm+LZ)

330 >>> 2. Become the anti-billionaire party with 95% taxes on the likes of Cuckerberg and Bezos

Funny thing is GOP could do quite well for itself in matters such as this by just not protecting billionaires from the very people the billionaires want to put in office.

Just let the Dems run wild with anti-trust enforcement theories and corporate tax rates and regulations for a few years instead of being GOP Chamber of Commerce simps.

Experience is the schoolhouse of man. He will learn at no other. Goes for the wealthy donor class too.

Posted by: OpinionChecker - because FactChecking is no longer enough at November 11, 2020 04:25 PM (dYe5S)

331 How the left thinks:

War. What is it good for? Absolultely nuthin'...except if conservatives don't want war. Then it's good!

Believe all women. Except if they were molested by anyone on the left. Then they circle the wagons and attack the accuser.

Murder is bad so there should be no death row, but if you want to murder a baby either before it's born or just after, no, problem!

Fascism is bad, except as practiced by the left against conservatives.

Police are bad. Defund the police. If somebody attacks lefties, quick! Call the police!!!

And yes, the left really is this stupid.

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at November 11, 2020 04:25 PM (8/7u2)

332 The SCOTUS has to realize that if they let this illegal activity go unpunished (throwing away evidence in Philly) that the incoming administration to which they've given the assist will NEVER EVER listen to any of their pronouncements.

This is a preview of a lawless SloJoe/KamelToe administration. How many divisions does the SCOTUS have to enforce its decrees?

SCOTUS will be signing the death certificate for our Republic, which includes the SCOTUS itself.

Posted by: Boots at November 11, 2020 04:25 PM (oGBso)

333 Frankly, were I a sc justice, I would invalidate all mail in ballots nationwide. Every jurisdiction has apparently ignored the rules. Better luck next time.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 11, 2020 04:25 PM (YCeEB)

334 @309...A life's from Philly, or anyway just outside in Jersey suburb. He knows these crooks. This is a hometown pissing contest for the fate of the nation.

Posted by: occam's brassiere at November 11, 2020 04:25 PM (evxBY)

335 Was this posted?

https://everylegalvote.com/country

Posted by: DJ at November 11, 2020 04:25 PM (O3/K+)

336 Alito, not A life, above

Posted by: occam's brassiere at November 11, 2020 04:25 PM (evxBY)

337 So where did he get the tough guy reputation from?

They say he wrote a lot of his own myth. Real self-promoter.
Posted by: M

he is a great host and gay ganbangs

Posted by: confederatefifth at November 11, 2020 04:26 PM (4Jold)

338 227

For the love of ever fuck.

And nothing will happen to anyone over this.
Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at November 11, 2020 04:15 PM (GbPPJ)

As in beheading in the public square?? Prolly not. Would you settle for invalidating all suspect ballots, and taring and feathering of that bizarre SOS?? Because I would like that. Maybe we could get lawn chairs and watch.

Posted by: tubal at November 11, 2020 04:26 PM (bCLt0)

339 247 233 Philly Vote Counters: You told us only to segregate the ballots, not keep the envelopes.

Justice Alito: So where are the segregated ballots?

Philly Vote Counters: Yeah, we didn't do that either.

Justice Alito:
Posted by: SH at November 11, 2020 04:16 PM (sX1BW)

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Roberts: It's a tax, fuck all y'all. Case dimissed.

Posted by: Asshoes at November 11, 2020 04:17 PM (22mNy)

Simply a preview of how a Harris (oops) Biden Administration would deal with court orders. If a Trump- or Bush-nominated Fed Judge issues an injunction on a Biden EO, you can bet your last penny Biden will say, "Gee, I'm sooo scared. Go ahead and try to enforce it. We ain't playing the 'Must respect the rulings of Hawaiian judges' game in my Administration."

Posted by: Gref at November 11, 2020 04:26 PM (AMIL/)

340 We've been expending blood and treasure in that shit hole for 19 years. If we have not yet met conditions, we never will.

The political and military leadership and the American public are not willing to do what is necessary - Hiroshima II Nuclear Boogaloo! - to be able to declare victory.

Posted by: butch at November 11, 2020 04:26 PM (cHvOo)

341 304 Also, massive fraud could help explain why it seems that every city is massively, overwhelmingly blue, while everywhere that's not a city is not.

Because its strange to me how that works, and I think it's strange to a lot of people.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2020 04:22 PM (UPoLF)

...

As of last week, I don't actually believe cities are all that blue.

I think they just have party machines with structural, contractual obligations to cheat like Bill Clinton on an island of underage sex slaves.

Posted by: TexasDan at November 11, 2020 04:26 PM (2HIdp)

342 Rock rock to the Planet Rock, don't stop
Rock rock to the Planet Rock, don't stop.....

Viva La Trump!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 11, 2020 04:26 PM (R/m4+)

343 Philly has counted all 'naked ballots' (without inside envelopes). its not legal to count those ballots. They are not using the hordes definition of naked ballots. so yea, illegal.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at November 11, 2020 04:26 PM (7Y5nA)

344 That was my thought.

"Destroyed". Yeah. How convenient.

Posted by: President-Elect Rodrigo Borgia at November 11, 2020 04:24 PM (VikfB)

If I were running the fraud op, I'd make sure that an equal number of envelopes, security envelopes, and ballots were printed.

And the envelopes and security envelopes of every single ballot (real or fake) would be incinerated as quickly as possible after they 'came in."

It would making proving fraud impossible.

If you had 1,000,000 ballots printed, but only 900,000 envelopes made, questions would be asked.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2020 04:26 PM (UPoLF)

345 > I think it likely that he pulls Kav and/or Gorsuch along with him.

Gorsuch: small probability.

Kav: not happening.

And I don't think Roberts or even the Dullwitted Latwinx are a given here. If there's one thing that unites judges of all political stripes, it's that they are highly unamused when court orders are disobeyed.

Posted by: President-Elect Rodrigo Borgia at November 11, 2020 04:26 PM (VikfB)

346 One caution on this: Were they scanned to create electronic records? That's what we do in Texas. All the absentee ballots and the envelopes they were in (both the inside and outside envelope) are scanned and they become public records (with who you voted for redacted).
Posted by: Maverick (TM) at November 11, 2020 04:22 PM (jK8Z7)

All MAIL is scanned by the Postal Service.

Should be possible to get those records, IF they were actually mailed in.

In fact, that is one question I would ask, just how many envelopes did the USPS deliver? and I'd compare it to votes counted.

Because as one Dominion Employee as stated on the record, they were putting ballot through their machines multiple times.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 11, 2020 04:27 PM (NgKpN)

347 201
Remind me. Wasn't a US Soldier dishonorably discharged for refusing to
wear a UN insignia in the 90's, failing to follow a lawful order?

Posted by: Mr. Barky at November 11, 2020 04:12 PM (hKi6n)

_________

Yes, Spc. Michael New, an Army medic. Thank you Bill Clinton, Traitor-in-Chief.

Posted by: ShainS at November 11, 2020 04:27 PM (WqPYg)

348 Someone huffed and puffed and blew the margins.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 11, 2020 04:27 PM (aMV0K)

349 Agreed. I'd lower the threshold to $100M though. I want big dick Wall St Dems to pay as well as small dick tech people.
Posted by: Asshoes at November 11, 2020 04:23 PM (22mNy)

This does run into a question of how precisely we would execute this. The best angle would seem to the be the wealth tax but I don't think the tax code offers great tools to specifically target people(outside of the IRS).
Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 11, 2020 04:25 PM (Zm+LZ)

___

Tax public property like stock portfolios, real estate, cars, planes, etc. It's not like Bezos can hide his Amazon net worth right? Or his 10 houses or whatever.

Posted by: Asshoes at November 11, 2020 04:27 PM (22mNy)

350 This is outright how's my ass taste to Alito. And NOTHING is going to happen.

Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at November 11, 2020 04:19 PM (GbPPJ)

And you know this...how?

Posted by: Gaelic Girl at November 11, 2020 04:27 PM (5FCda)

351 PA Act 77,

Section 1309. Public Records.--(a) All official absentee ballots, files, applications for such ballots and envelopes on which the executed declarations appear, and all information and lists are hereby designated and declared to be public records and shall be safely kept for a period of two years, except that no proof of identification shall be made public, nor shall information concerning a military elector be made public which is expressly forbidden by the Department of Defense because of military security.

Posted by: Almost like Philly is lawless at November 11, 2020 04:27 PM (BBWrU)

352
Already setting the narrative: WaPo explains why job growth will slow during a Biden presidency (and guess who's fault it will be)

https://tinyurl.com/y2q39dy2

Posted by: redridinghood at November 11, 2020 04:27 PM (NpAcC)

353 Simply a preview of how a Harris (oops) Biden Administration would deal
with court orders. If a Trump- or Bush-nominated Fed Judge issues an
injunction on a Biden EO, you can bet your last penny Biden will say,
"Gee, I'm sooo scared. Go ahead and try to enforce it. We ain't
playing the 'Must respect the rulings of Hawaiian judges' game in my
Administration."

---------

I can at least respect that.

Posted by: SH at November 11, 2020 04:28 PM (sX1BW)

354 yeah, you destroy the evidence, that weighs against you

Posted by: confederatefifth at November 11, 2020 04:12 PM (4Jold)

_______

Consciousness of guilt.
Posted by: ShainS

yes, not as if "hey cocksucker, do not destroy the envelopes" is a hard instruction.

you want your vote to count, do not have corrupt cocksuckers running your city.

Posted by: confederatefifth at November 11, 2020 04:28 PM (4Jold)

355 O noes, whatever shall we do with no war to kill off the children of The Deplorables ?

- Your Elite Overlords

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at November 11, 2020 04:28 PM (6psdy)

356 The Deep State loves them some Islam, because Islam never gives up.

Endless wars for everyone!

Posted by: Retard Strength Trumps Smart Power at November 11, 2020 04:28 PM (uS2EJ)

357 Cops arrive at the scene. You are sitting there watching TV (fux news) and your wife is on the couch in a pool of blood with 3 bullet holes in her chest. No gun around, so the cops excuse themselves and call it natural cause death. Right?
Posted by: Xipe Totec-MAGAfauna

If you come home after a weekend away and (above scenario), you WILL be dusted for gunpowder residue and considered the suspect and questioned for a few hours.

Don't ask how I know.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 11, 2020 04:28 PM (Rvt88)

358 Trump should have court-martialed that son-of-a-bitch instead of firing him. F*cking arrogant, insubordinate, asshole. So sick of these jerks. Want to set policy? Then man up and get elected president, if you can. Until then, STFU and do as you're ordered. And remember that when you disrespect and disobey the Commander-in-Chief, you're also disrespecting and disobeying the tens of millions of Americans who voted him into that position.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at November 11, 2020 04:28 PM (k4dH2)

359 Philadelphia has destroyed all ballot envelopes.

That's not suspicious at all.

Posted by: G'rump928(C) at November 11, 2020 04:28 PM (yQpMk)

360 >>In fact, that is one question I would ask, just how many envelopes did the USPS deliver? and I'd compare it to votes counted.

yes, both way, delivery to and delivery from

Posted by: will choose a nic later at November 11, 2020 04:28 PM (GIeIM)

361 SCOTUS will say "it's obvious that PA's mail-ins had rampant fraud (all of them, now, if the envelopes can't be examined). The remedy is the responsibility and power of the state legislature," and they hand it off to them.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 11, 2020 04:29 PM (oVJmc)

362 222
DR WTF - LOL

Posted by: rhomboid at November 11, 2020 04:13 PM (OTzUX)

what? I dindu nuffin funny.

Posted by: DR.WTF at November 11, 2020 04:15 PM (AiZBA)

________

Both the "haiku" and "four more years is way too long" comments were chuckle-inducing.

Posted by: ShainS at November 11, 2020 04:29 PM (WqPYg)

363 act, that is one question I would ask, just how many envelopes did the USPS deliver? and I'd compare it to votes counted.

-

That would be an interesting thing to learn.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - resign your senate seat Vice President Karmella at November 11, 2020 04:29 PM (Kt1w/)

364 hey do we actually know that the PA envelopes were destroyed? is there any proof of this claim by David Chapman or is it just hearsay ?

Posted by: BlackOrchid_j9HX3 at November 11, 2020 04:29 PM (j9HX3)

365 340 We've been expending blood and treasure in that shit hole for 19 years. If we have not yet met conditions, we never will.

The political and military leadership and the American public are not willing to do what is necessary - Hiroshima II Nuclear Boogaloo! - to be able to declare victory.
Posted by: butch at November 11, 2020 04:26 PM (cHvOo)

...

Once Trump declares publicly his desire to withdraw, the idea that the Afghanis would meet any criteria becomes comical. There's no leverage any more.

Trump didn't ask them to leave after certain conditions were met. He just wanted out.

Posted by: TexasDan at November 11, 2020 04:29 PM (2HIdp)

366 327 Cops arrive at the scene. You are sitting there watching TV (fux news) and your wife is on the couch in a pool of blood with 3 bullet holes in her chest. No gun around, so the cops excuse themselves and call it natural cause death. Right?
Posted by: Xipe Totec-MAGAfauna at November 11, 2020 04:24 PM (o2MD2)

No Mask? Clearly died of Covid 19

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 11, 2020 04:29 PM (NgKpN)

367 PA's state legislature should act now, not wait for SCOTUS.

just declare that Philly's actions directly violated the election laws established by the state legislature and therefore they consider them void. Trump therefore has more votes, and Trump's electors will be sent.

Let the liberals go to SCOTUS to challenge the state house and argue that it was okay for them to defy a SCOTUS order.

Put them on the defensive.

Posted by: Shenanigans at November 11, 2020 04:29 PM (ZR7kf)

368 > One caution on this: Were they scanned to create electronic records? That's what we do in Texas.

In the Dr. Shiva video Jack Straw linked above, he discovered that despite it being a federal requirement that ballot images be retained for 22 months, MA purges them much earlier. Apparently other states do this, too.

So, I would not assume that PA retained the ballot images (or poll tapes for that matter) since they clear do not want to have any documentation that would be useful in an audit of their vote counts.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 11, 2020 04:29 PM (bDqIh)

369 And you know this...how?
Posted by: Gaelic Girl at November 11, 2020 04:27 PM (5FCda)

History. And the fact that when Alito's first order was disobeyed, he did not order anyone thrown into jail for any time at all for contempt.

Now, you tell me what evidence you have that anything will happen.

Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at November 11, 2020 04:29 PM (GbPPJ)

370 352
Already setting the narrative: WaPo explains why job growth will slow during a Biden presidency (and guess who's fault it will be)

https://tinyurl.com/y2q39dy2
Posted by: redridinghood at November 11, 2020 04:27 PM (NpAcC)

___

Isn't Biden just inheriting Obama's economy? Oh right it stopped being Obama's economy when Corona hit. Never mind.

Posted by: Asshoes at November 11, 2020 04:29 PM (22mNy)

371 Bury any US infrastructure in Muzzie lands and salt the earth. Make Commie Joe start over.

Please bring our boys home and declassify almost everything about the Deep State while you are at it.

Posted by: Valiant at November 11, 2020 04:29 PM (3MiF8)

372 Not sure about PA, but in most States the envelope has to be kept by law, and if not, then those votes are tossed in a recount. <<<<<<<<<
ok, so say I am an evil dem and have been told to segregate the ballots, so I toss the envelopes and move Trump votes to the tossed envelope side. Then we are boned, if the whole thing isn't tossed. You can't count any of the mail-ins and be fair. They supposedly are segregated, but counted in the totals, but no way do I believe they are segregated as told.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 11, 2020 04:29 PM (r+sAi)

373 They destroyed postmarks and signatures if they destroyed the envelopes.

So there's no verification to any of the mail-in ballots, not just late ones.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 11, 2020 04:29 PM (oVJmc)

374 This does run into a question of how precisely we
would execute this. The best angle would seem to the be the wealth tax
but I don't think the tax code offers great tools to specifically target
people(outside of the IRS).

Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 11, 2020 04:25 PM (Zm+LZ)

can we throw in looting their houses, and a week in the stockade also?

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at November 11, 2020 04:30 PM (7Y5nA)

375 I'm starting to enjoy the brief glimpses I get of MUNG.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 11, 2020 04:30 PM (5p7BC)

376 210
Kendi (Twitter): The term "legal vote" is as fictionally fraught and
functionally racist as the terms "illegal alien" and "race neutral" and
"welfare queen" and "handouts" and "super predator" and "crackbaby" and
"personal responsibility" and "post racial."

Posted by: Fraught with fiction at November 11, 2020 04:14 PM (BBWrU)

____________

He left out breathing.

Posted by: ShainS at November 11, 2020 04:30 PM (WqPYg)

377 Trump really should have pushed withdrawal of troops. I think that would have played really well to a lot of BernieBro type voters.

Posted by: Asshoes at November 11, 2020 04:30 PM (22mNy)

378 350 This is outright how's my ass taste to Alito. And NOTHING is going to happen.

Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at November 11, 2020 04:19 PM (GbPPJ)

And you know this...how?
Posted by: Gaelic Girl at November 11, 2020 04:27 PM (5FCda)

An appellate court would never ever allow a judge to declare himself a party to a case and let him appoint his own investigator...

Lawyers love to argue that the law actually doesn't mean what it says and everyone clearly understands what it says. And judges love to rule in the favor of those lawyers coming up with those bullshit arguments.

Posted by: Buzzion at November 11, 2020 04:31 PM (ydnBP)

379 Roberts: It's a tax, fuck all y'all. Case dimissed.

Liberals are in the minority on SCOTUS now, even if you include Roberts.

And it's unlikely Roberts will go along with a decision that will lead directly to court packing, which would make him Not The Precious anymore.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 11, 2020 04:31 PM (ZGrMX)

380 PA's state legislature should act now, not wait for SCOTUS.

just declare that Philly's actions directly violated the election
laws established by the state legislature and therefore they consider
them void. Trump therefore has more votes, and Trump's electors will be
sent.

Let the liberals go to SCOTUS to challenge the state house and argue that it was okay for them to defy a SCOTUS order.

Put them on the defensive.
-------------

That's fair. I like your idea better.

Posted by: SH at November 11, 2020 04:31 PM (sX1BW)

381 If it takes 2 years to "teach" a country to defend itself (from within!), it's time to let Darwin do it. Let alone 20 years.

Posted by: Jimco Industries at November 11, 2020 04:31 PM (buTO7)

382 this is so exciting...

the winner should win a sex filled night with
v
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v
v
v
v
v
v
v
vv
Mitt Romney

Posted by: Sally from Vermont at November 11, 2020 04:31 PM (GIeIM)

383 320- Jack- I think that's where game, set and match lie- folks need to be contacting their local state reps and let them know, in no uncertain terms, they're done if they certify for Biden. Msm knows this too, which is why they're pushing the assume the sale angle so hard.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at November 11, 2020 04:31 PM (7o4Oo)

384 372 Not sure about PA, but in most States the envelope has to be kept by law, and if not, then those votes are tossed in a recount.
ok, so say I am an evil dem and have been told to segregate the ballots, so I toss the envelopes and move Trump votes to the tossed envelope side. Then we are boned, if the whole thing isn't tossed. You can't count any of the mail-ins and be fair. They supposedly are segregated, but counted in the totals, but no way do I believe they are segregated as told.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 11, 2020 04:29 PM (r+sAi)

Which is why Giuliani is asking for effectively all of the Pittsburg and Philadelphia mail-ins to be tossed. He seems to think they have a case, he did a few hours of interviews over the last few days on this topic and it seemed all very clear and straightforward to me.

Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 11, 2020 04:31 PM (Zm+LZ)

385 Now, you tell me what evidence you have that anything will happen.
Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at November 11, 2020 04:29 PM (GbPPJ)

I don't make unfounded assertions.

Posted by: Gaelic Girl at November 11, 2020 04:31 PM (5FCda)

386 353
Simply a preview of how a Harris (oops) Biden Administration would deal

with court orders. If a Trump- or Bush-nominated Fed Judge issues an

injunction on a Biden EO, you can bet your last penny Biden will say,

"Gee, I'm sooo scared. Go ahead and try to enforce it. We ain't

playing the 'Must respect the rulings of Hawaiian judges' game in my

Administration."

---------

I can at least respect that.

Posted by: SH

I'm all for it. At least that will set the stage for the next act, which is "how many divisions do you have". Right now, all we do is unilaterally surrender.

Posted by: pep at November 11, 2020 04:31 PM (v16oJ)

387 "Mattis was a book educated Marine. He didn't serve in Vietnam and spent most of his career in the classroom.
Posted by: Alabaster Jones at November 11, 2020 04:20 PM (kk1fo)"

Mattis isn't my favorite person, but you are a fucking troll.

Look up 7th MR and Task Force Ripper.

Also look up his time in 1st MEB. Maybe MCCDC.

Great Marine. Lousy politician.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 11, 2020 04:31 PM (VpIIl)

388 The Dr. Shiva video shows me why straight-party voting was eliminated in Pennsylvania. Leaves tell-tale evidence.

Posted by: t-bird at November 11, 2020 04:31 PM (UMXod)

389 it isn't war if you call it peace-keeping.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at November 11, 2020 04:32 PM (4a9Vv)

390 Stanstanistan is integral to many Golden Parachutes, which are mission critical for the purposes of glamorous retirement careers with hot trophy grade administrative assistants to help run the yacht efficiently.

Posted by: klaftern at November 11, 2020 04:32 PM (RuIsu)

391 This is why I pop by the local microbrewery every day. They're local
As far as I know there's no commies. So my beer consumption is political.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at November 11, 2020 04:32 PM (rTgbC)

392
Not sure about PA, but in most States the envelope has to be kept by law, and if not, then those votes are tossed in a recount.

That was EXACTLY the suit the GOP hit on in MI. It was declined. As I read the judgement, they were given full speed ahead to shit-can all of it. This came down on Friday.

Posted by: Always Be Lurking at November 11, 2020 04:32 PM (jDqdz)

393 Mattis was a book educated Marine. He didn't serve in Vietnam and spent most of his career in the classroom.
Posted by: Alabaster Jones at November 11, 2020 04:20 PM (kk1fo)

__

So where did he get the tough guy reputation from?
Posted by: Asshoes at November 11, 2020 04:21 PM (22mNy

In Desert Storm I believe he led a tank battalion as a Colonel. May have to double check that.

Posted by: Alabaster Jones at November 11, 2020 04:32 PM (kk1fo)

394 Well, at least Trump seems to comprehend that he's the commander in chief, even if he doesn't quite grok that he's also the top cop and in charge of the DOJ.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 11, 2020 04:32 PM (KZzsI)

395 That "Ghost of Ruth Buzzi" acknowledgement by Ace had me spun up for a while since Ruth is still with us and a really really neat person. But it should have read "Ruth Buzzi Ginsberg".

Posted by: ss at November 11, 2020 04:32 PM (tDCDM)

396
Don't ask how I know.
Posted by: Tonypete at November 11, 2020 04:28 PM (Rvt8

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Oh, hell. I'm sorry that you came home to that.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 11, 2020 04:32 PM (mht8P)

397 What's the sources for the Philly envelope claim btw?
Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria

A Philadelphia lawyer.

Posted by: JT at November 11, 2020 04:32 PM (arJlL)

398 >Philadelphia has destroyed all ballot envelopes.

Or they never had them to begin with.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 11, 2020 04:23 PM (oVJmc)

That was easy.

Posted by: The Easy Button at November 11, 2020 04:32 PM (v0R5T)

399 WHAT WOULD GEORGE PATTON DO.?

He probably wouldn't blow the margins.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at November 11, 2020 04:32 PM (jk52O)

400
Kendi (Twitter): The term "legal vote" is as fictionally fraught and
functionally racist as the terms "illegal alien" and "race neutral" and
"welfare queen" and "handouts" and "super predator" and "crackbaby" and
"personal responsibility" and "post racial."

Posted by: Fraught with fiction at November 11, 2020 04:14 PM (BBWrU

And "social justice," and "systemic racism," and all the other Leftist word salads.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 11, 2020 04:32 PM (oVJmc)

401 327 Cops arrive at the scene. You are sitting there watching TV (fux news) and your wife is on the couch in a pool of blood with 3 bullet holes in her chest. No gun around, so the cops excuse themselves and call it natural cause death. Right?
Posted by: Xipe Totec-MAGAfauna at November 11, 2020 04:24 PM (o2MD2)

Wrong analogy.

A better analogy is that you're in court and the prosecutor says "well, we don't have any proof that he killed his wife, but he doesn't have any proof that he DIDN'T kill his wife, and if he can't disprove it, then he obviously did it."

The burden of proof is what matters in court.

Yes, circumstantial evidence can of course be used (and is often the vast majority of the evidence used) in criminal and civil cases. But lack of evidence usually isn't enough. Which is why we have laws about record retentions and stuff. Otherwise you'd be able to say, "well, Your Honor, I know the IRS claims I owe them $1,000,000, but I don't actually owe them anything because I had $1,000,000 in business expenses. No, I didn't keep the receipts and paid only in cash."

Absent a law requiring record retention, there's not much the IRS could do.

(* Yes, I know the IRS isn't the best example, the burden of proof in tax court is all kinds of fucked up. But you get my point)

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2020 04:32 PM (UPoLF)

402 Dave in Fla at November 11, 2020 04:30 PM (5p7BC)

Have you seen this video?

https://tinyurl.com/yyjxkj8l

If not I suggest you do. It might help explain some of the deviations from predicted results. It's focused on MI but I wouldn't be surprised if the same things show up elsewhere.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 11, 2020 04:32 PM (ZLI7S)

403 375 I'm starting to enjoy the brief glimpses I get of MUNG.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 11, 2020 04:30 PM (5p7BC)

Have to say, so do I. But, it's hard to get redemption.

Posted by: tubal at November 11, 2020 04:33 PM (bCLt0)

404 -
--
All MAIL is scanned by the Postal Service.

Should be possible to get those records, IF they were actually mailed in.

In fact, that is one question I would ask, just how many envelopes did the USPS deliver? and I'd compare it to votes counted.

Because as one Dominion Employee as stated on the record, they were putting ballot through their machines multiple times.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 11, 2020 04:27 PM

---------------

Excellent point. Hopefully that's already been subpoenaed. (cue the "Oopsie. Those darn hard drives, always failing.")

Posted by: irright at November 11, 2020 04:33 PM (SchQD)

405 377 Trump really should have pushed withdrawal of troops. I think that would have played really well to a lot of BernieBro type voters.
Posted by: Asshoes at November 11, 2020 04:30 PM (22mNy)

=========

Anti-war was always just a cudgel to beat Republicans with. They never really cared about wars in the Middle East.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going back...to the Future! at November 11, 2020 04:33 PM (NWM+b)

406 Those aren't just envelopes.

Those are legal documents, are they not?

I mean. That's pretty much what the Fine Print Explicitly States they are.

Right?

Posted by: garrett at November 11, 2020 04:33 PM (6r/Ar)

407 Now, you tell me what evidence you have that anything will happen.
Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at November 11, 2020 04:29 PM (GbPPJ)

How about 70 million really pissed off voters?

Posted by: Xipe Totec-MAGAfauna at November 11, 2020 04:33 PM (o2MD2)

408
Stanstanistan is integral to many Golden Parachutes, which are mission critical for the purposes of glamorous retirement careers with hot trophy grade administrative assistants to help run the yacht efficiently.
Posted by: klaftern at November 11, 2020 04:32 PM (RuIsu)

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Old Royal Navy toast: A long war or a sickly season.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 11, 2020 04:33 PM (mht8P)

409 Posted by: Bitter Clinger at November 11, 2020 04:18 PM (WJXFc)

LOL.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 11, 2020 04:33 PM (WkPC9)

410 "395 That "Ghost of Ruth Buzzi" acknowledgement by Ace"

????

Posted by: Asshoes at November 11, 2020 04:33 PM (22mNy)

411 I don't make unfounded assertions.
Posted by: Gaelic Girl at November 11, 2020 04:31 PM (5FCda)

Well, let me retort, bless your heart.

I made a founded assertion, what with noting that NOTHING HAPPENED after Alito's first order was ignored. When I questioned you on why you believe to the contrary, you mealy mouthed out of it.

Child, you want to be a bitch to me, you better bring way better than this weak shit.

Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at November 11, 2020 04:34 PM (GbPPJ)

412 All MAIL is scanned by the Postal Service.

Iiiinteresting

Posted by: La Oficina Del Presidente-Electo runner at November 11, 2020 04:34 PM (zr5Kq)

413 Alito,

Whoa whoa whoa-ooh-ooh.

One more time oughts get it

One more for the robe.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at November 11, 2020 04:34 PM (WJXFc)

414 Keep in mind when democrats accuse, it is projection.

Scankles complains bitterly the 2016 election was "hacked".

It is beyond doubt, consequently what happened in 2016 is that the Democrats were (somehow) prevented from ... hacking the election.

It just fits too perfectly. No other answer makes sense. They had it in the bag to steal it in 2016, and for whatever reason, it didn't work.

That, in her eyes, means the election was illegitimate and "hacked". Bank it.

Posted by: Common Tater at November 11, 2020 04:34 PM (pQrYJ)

415 Posted by: Sunny at November 11, 2020 04:14 PM (sfhL4)

As a Gen X/ Millennial i'd benefit from this, but I'll still support people storming the offices and tarring these bankers in the middle of the town square.

Posted by: Rbastid at November 11, 2020 04:34 PM (sB4ue)

416 I'm starting to enjoy the brief glimpses I get of MUNG.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 11, 2020 04:30 PM (5p7BC)

Have to say, so do I. But, it's hard to get redemption.
Posted by: tubal at November 11, 2020 04:33 PM (bCLt0)

Just another cat ahead of his time. Seriously. He'd fit right in now.

Posted by: Always Be Lurking at November 11, 2020 04:35 PM (jDqdz)

417
Which is why Giuliani is asking for effectively all of the Pittsburg and Philadelphia mail-ins to be tossed. He seems to think they have a case, he did a few hours of interviews over the last few days on this topic and it seemed all very clear and straightforward to me.

Alito hints in his denial of certiorari that the severability issue is being overlooked.

That would indicate ALL the mail-ins are void.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 11, 2020 04:35 PM (oVJmc)

418 if Obama had fired Mattis in a similar situation, the media would've creamed their jeans going on about how a strong CiC asserted his authority over an insubordinate general.

Posted by: Retard Strength Trumps Smart Power at November 11, 2020 04:35 PM (uS2EJ)

419 398
>Philadelphia has destroyed all ballot envelopes.

Or they never had them to begin with.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 11, 2020 04:23 PM (oVJmc)

That was easy.

At some point, the sum of all the violations means you have to declare the election null and void, and do it over. Well, unless you're John Roberts, who seems to think his job is to act as SCOTUS's PR firm.

Posted by: pep at November 11, 2020 04:35 PM (v16oJ)

420 don't forget, if Trump declassifies stuff that makes Biden look bad, Biden can issue an executive order telling people to not remember anything. And drive a Prius.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at November 11, 2020 04:35 PM (4a9Vv)

421 401 327 Cops arrive at the scene. You are sitting there watching TV (fux news) and your wife is on the couch in a pool of blood with 3 bullet holes in her chest. No gun around, so the cops excuse themselves and call it natural cause death. Right?
Posted by: Xipe Totec-MAGAfauna at November 11, 2020 04:24 PM (o2MD2)

Wrong analogy.

A better analogy is that you're in court and the prosecutor says "well, we don't have any proof that he killed his wife, but he doesn't have any proof that he DIDN'T kill his wife, and if he can't disprove it, then he obviously did it."

The burden of proof is what matters in court.

Yes, circumstantial evidence can of course be used (and is often the vast majority of the evidence used) in criminal and civil cases. But lack of evidence usually isn't enough. Which is why we have laws about record retentions and stuff. Otherwise you'd be able to say, "well, Your Honor, I know the IRS claims I owe them $1,000,000, but I don't actually owe them anything because I had $1,000,000 in business expenses. No, I didn't keep the receipts and paid only in cash."

Absent a law requiring record retention, there's not much the IRS could do.

(* Yes, I know the IRS isn't the best example, the burden of proof in tax court is all kinds of fucked up. But you get my point)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 11, 2020 04:32 PM (UPoLF)

Giuliani is claiming that the burden of proof for a mail-in ballot based on court precedents in the US lies on the party proposing the ballot. That is, because mail-in voting is viewed as being at risk of fraud, it is necessary to prove that each mail-in vote is legitimate. Therefore, signatures and poll watchers.

Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 11, 2020 04:35 PM (Zm+LZ)

422 I actually preferred the Hodor-ing of MUNG.

Posted by: garrett at November 11, 2020 04:35 PM (6r/Ar)

423 How about 70 million really pissed off voters?
Posted by: Xipe Totec-MAGAfauna at November 11, 2020 04:33 PM (o2MD2)

Who are not all Justice Alito.

Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at November 11, 2020 04:35 PM (GbPPJ)

424 417
Which is why Giuliani is asking for effectively all of the Pittsburg and Philadelphia mail-ins to be tossed. He seems to think they have a case, he did a few hours of interviews over the last few days on this topic and it seemed all very clear and straightforward to me.

Alito hints in his denial of certiorari that the severability issue is being overlooked.

That would indicate ALL the mail-ins are void.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 11, 2020 04:35 PM (oVJmc)

=========

Now, apply that across the nation. Of course not, but I can dream, dammit.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going back...to the Future! at November 11, 2020 04:35 PM (NWM+b)

425 The piece that is missing from the Dr. Shiva presentation is all the other counties. Yes, Wayne County was completely different, but I'd like to see all the other counties to make sure they're like Wayne County.

Posted by: t-bird at November 11, 2020 04:36 PM (fFtVH)

426 Kendi (Twitter): The term "legal vote" is as fictionally fraught and functionally racist as the terms "illegal alien" and "race neutral" and "welfare queen" and "handouts" and "super predator" and "crackbaby" and "personal responsibility" and "post racial."
______________

Yeah, we get it Kendi: everything you don't like or agree with is raaaacist, and anybody who is not white should be able to lie, cheat, steal, kill, do drugs, live off welfare fraud scams, engage in voter fraud scams, and basically any other shitty thing they feel like doing, with impunity, because whitey be raaaaacist and has it coming to him!

GFY.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at November 11, 2020 04:36 PM (k4dH2)

427 All MAIL is scanned by the Postal Service.

Posted by: The Easy Button at November 11, 2020 04:36 PM (v0R5T)

428 @421..."But Covid!!!!" has been and will be the response.

Posted by: occam's brassiere at November 11, 2020 04:36 PM (evxBY)

429 AtC, I love you and your takes.

There may be cause for optimism here. This is setting up a situation where SCOTUS authority is not only being questioned, but outright denied. I think human nature being what it is that the Court is not going to be happy.

Alito might be giving PA enough rope to hang themselves in such an obvious way as to convince other Justices who might be on the fence about this.

Posted by: WitchDoktor at November 11, 2020 04:37 PM (wGxSf)

430 >>All MAIL is scanned by the Postal Service.

Somehow I don't find that comforting.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 11, 2020 04:37 PM (ZLI7S)

431 361 "The remedy is the responsibility and power of the state legislature,"
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 11, 2020 04:29 PM (oVJmc)

More technically, if it's a federal lawsuit: "The election has therefore failed to make a choice in the meaning of 3 USC 2, wherein the Legislature is empowered to appoint its own electors." (Of course, whether Title 3 itself is constitutional is a different issue, and whether the Legislature even needs 3 USC 2 to appoint its own electors, but those likely wouldn't be raised).

Posted by: Pound both the Law and the Facts at November 11, 2020 04:37 PM (BBWrU)

432 PA's state legislature should act now, not wait for SCOTUS.

just declare that Philly's actions directly violated the election laws established by the state legislature and therefore they consider them void. Trump therefore has more votes, and Trump's electors will be sent.

Let the liberals go to SCOTUS to challenge the state house and argue that it was okay for them to defy a SCOTUS order.

Put them on the defensive.
Posted by: Shenanigans at November 11, 2020 04:29 PM (ZR7kf)

This would be a bold, elegant, and constitutional solution to the problem. Which probably dooms it from ever happening. A guy can dream, though, right?

Posted by: Mostly Peaceful Grognard at November 11, 2020 04:37 PM (b3x5S)

433 *popcorn*

Posted by: nurse ratched, watching the left clutch their pearls at November 11, 2020 04:37 PM (W2Pud)

434 Child, you want to be a bitch to me, you better bring way better than this weak shit.
Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at November 11, 2020 04:34 PM (GbPPJ)

LOLGF

Posted by: Gaelic Girl at November 11, 2020 04:37 PM (5FCda)

435 re 412: and then Lerner's laptop crashed and we lost all her emails... and the backups... and the backups of the backups...

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at November 11, 2020 04:37 PM (4a9Vv)

436 Election mail is treated far differently than letters. Sure, you can drop it in a mailbox if you want, but employees are instructed to (when they can) to drop it in special containers.

It generally won't get sent through sorting machines with all the other stuff and trucked to regional processing centers and the rest of it. Not if they can help it anyway.

Posted by: Common Tater at November 11, 2020 04:38 PM (pQrYJ)

437 >>All MAIL is scanned by the Postal Service.

And we forward ALL those records to the FBI the day after the Election.

Posted by: USPS at November 11, 2020 04:38 PM (6r/Ar)

438 We lost our scans in a glitch , so sorry !

- USPS

Posted by: La Oficina Del Presidente-Electo runner at November 11, 2020 04:38 PM (zr5Kq)

439 423 How about 70 million really pissed off voters?
Posted by: Xipe Totec-MAGAfauna at November 11, 2020 04:33 PM (o2MD2)

Who are not all Justice Alito.
Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at November 11, 2020 04:35 PM (GbPPJ)

I sense you are vexed.

Posted by: tubal at November 11, 2020 04:38 PM (bCLt0)

440 In my little town, if I mail a letter to my neighbor across the street, it takes a 400 mile, 3-4 day round trip, just so it can go through one of those scanners.

Posted by: irright at November 11, 2020 04:38 PM (SchQD)

441 Abolish Philadelphia.

No one would miss it.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 11, 2020 04:39 PM (R/m4+)

442 For the love of ever fuck.

And nothing will happen to anyone over this.
Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria
---------
I agree that no one will be penalized for this. But there is plenty of precedent for elections being invalidated in case law.

My guess is that Philly knows that envelopes will overturn the official count and have done this on purpose (obviously). They are betting that SCOTUS won't overturn an entire state's presidential election.

Trump must have creamed Biden in PA for them to roll the dice like this.

As for someone going to jail, that will probably be left to the DOJ investigation and happen months from now.

I honestly can't see SCOTUS letting them get away with this. It would set a precedent that they can be ignored. Seems like a very unlikely thing to happen.

Could even see a 7-2 decision come out of this.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 11, 2020 04:39 PM (5p7BC)

443 A better analogy is that you're in court and the prosecutor says "well, we don't have any proof that he killed his wife, but he doesn't have any proof that he DIDN'T kill his wife, and if he can't disprove it, then he obviously did it."

To me it seems like the analogy is chain of custody of evidence in a trial. If a prosecutor announced that all the documentation for the chain of custody of the critical piece of evidence was destroyed, would the court say, "oh well, that's a shame. But we'll let you proceed anyways."

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at November 11, 2020 04:39 PM (RLh/8)

444 All MAIL is scanned by the Postal Service.
Posted by: The Easy Button at November 11, 2020 04:36 PM (v0R5T)

But this time there are those convenient ballot drop boxes. No post office, that's the beauty of it.

Posted by: DR.WTF at November 11, 2020 04:39 PM (AiZBA)

445 Scotus will punt it to the legislature, as many have been saying for a few days now. Even if Trump gets PA and GA he still needs a bit more. Is there a recount in WI?

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at November 11, 2020 04:39 PM (svbBD)

446 "440 In my little town, if I mail a letter to my neighbor across the street, it takes a 400 mile, 3-4 day round trip, just so it can go through one of those scanners.

Posted by: irright at November 11, 2020 04:38 PM (SchQD) "

Same here.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at November 11, 2020 04:39 PM (6psdy)

447 412 All MAIL is scanned by the Postal Service.

Iiiinteresting

--

Every morning I get an email from the USPS with scanned pictures of the mail they'll be delivering to me that day.

Posted by: WitchDoktor at November 11, 2020 04:39 PM (wGxSf)

448 Ironic that is the birthplace of our liberty might be the place that takes it.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 11, 2020 04:39 PM (ZLI7S)

449 All the wine moms around here hand delivered their ballots to the BoE instead of mailing them because trumps crony was destroying the post offices

Posted by: NCKate at November 11, 2020 04:39 PM (rEqap)

450 256
I think The Donald truly despises the part of CiC where you tell loved
ones their soldier is dead. The previous guys, including Biden, not so
much.

Posted by: EveR at November 11, 2020 04:18 PM (R0z7P)

_________

That was when Hillary was at her best with great jokes and cackles.

Posted by: ShainS at November 11, 2020 04:39 PM (WqPYg)

451 427 All MAIL is scanned by the Postal Service.

Posted by: The Easy Button at November 11, 2020 04:36 PM (v0R5T)

Two words for you:

Bleach Bit.

Posted by: Gref at November 11, 2020 04:39 PM (AMIL/)

452 @418...that happened exactly. As you probably know.

Posted by: occam's brassiere at November 11, 2020 04:39 PM (evxBY)

453 I even get emails showing me pictures of what's coming in the mail every day. Some gal at the P.O. signed me up for this free service. "Informed Delivery" they call it.

Posted by: wth at November 11, 2020 04:40 PM (v0R5T)

454 Yeah, I think the more PA goes hard on SCOTUS, the more SCOTUS loses as a institution if they don't respond according to the Constitution. This is the most extreme of cases, and should be treated as an issue of institutional survival and credibility.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 11, 2020 04:40 PM (VpIIl)

455 433
*popcorn*

Posted by: nurse ratched, watching the left clutch their pearls at November 11, 2020 04:37 PM (W2Pud)

lol

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 11, 2020 04:40 PM (KnJdm)

456 I used to sell cars. If I lost or tossed sales slips I would have been fired at light speed.
Why do people in government get away with that.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at November 11, 2020 04:40 PM (rTgbC)

457 Trump must have creamed Biden in PA for them to roll the dice like this.

PENNSYLVANIA WENT HEAVILY FOR TRUMP!!!!

I'm telling you! we really did!!!! people here are PISSED OFF beyond belief!

ARGGGGHHHH

Oh god. Philly went full ret*rd. You never go full ret*rd.

Posted by: BlackOrchid_j9HX3 at November 11, 2020 04:40 PM (j9HX3)

458 > whether the Legislature even needs 3 USC 2 to appoint its own electors

I don't think they do. The Constitution gives the state legislatures the power to appoint electors any way they damned well please.

Simon Says, coin flip, trial by combat...

Posted by: President-Elect Rodrigo Borgia at November 11, 2020 04:40 PM (VikfB)

459 Keith Olbermann is a twat.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at November 11, 2020 04:40 PM (4a9Vv)

460 One caution on this: Were they scanned to create electronic records? That's what we do in Texas. All the absentee ballots and the envelopes they were in (both the inside and outside envelope) are scanned and they become public records (with who you voted for redacted).
Posted by: Maverick (TM) at November 11, 2020 04:22 PM (jK8Z7)

All MAIL is scanned by the Postal Service.

Should be possible to get those records, IF they were actually mailed in.

In fact, that is one question I would ask, just how many envelopes did the USPS deliver? and I'd compare it to votes counted.

Because as one Dominion Employee as stated on the record, they were putting ballot through their machines multiple times.
Posted by: Romeo13 at November 11, 2020 04:27 PM (NgKpN)

In Santa Clara Co. CA, all mail in ballots had tracking numbers, and you could log in to see when it was received/delivered.

In theory.

Maybe I should check my mother's ballot mailed to the old address that I have (I turned in a filled one in person registered at new address).

I don't know if other counties/states do this, but it seems straightforward enough. That these should have mandatory tracking seems like a no brainer. Which is why they probably don't.

Posted by: clutch cargo at November 11, 2020 04:40 PM (8B6Ng)

461 At some point, the sum of all the violations means
you have to declare the election null and void, and do it over. Well,
unless you're John Roberts, who seems to think his job is to act as
SCOTUS's PR firm.
Posted by: pep at November 11, 2020 04:35 PM (v16oJ)

The cat that concerns me is Gorsuch. I could see Gorsuch seeing all this, and writing his own opinion that this shit show - although obviously fraud - met the minimal standards. Maybe even throwing in an "I told you so" that goes nowhere.

If I had to bet - I think the Supremes don't hear this case. Four have to agree to hear it, right ? I bet it's Alito and Thomas and - nobody else.

Posted by: Always Be Lurking at November 11, 2020 04:41 PM (jDqdz)

462
One caution on this: Were they scanned to create electronic records? That's what we do in Texas. All the absentee ballots and the envelopes they were in (both the inside and outside envelope) are scanned and they become public records (with who you voted for redacted).
Posted by: Maverick (TM) at November 11, 2020 04:22 PM (jK8Z7)

But that's in TX. This is about PA.

Posted by: Justsayin' at November 11, 2020 04:41 PM (mHaO0)

463 380 PA's state legislature should act now, not wait for SCOTUS.

I agree. IANAL, but I don't see any reason why the PA Legislature itself couldn't make a declaration that the election has "failed" to meet the legislative demands. Whether it would stick is a different matter.

OTOH, it could be important to have a Court Order to prevent the SoS from certifying the election, as if there are duelling slates, the one with the Governor's signature is listed in 3 USC 15 as being the one that should count (unless House/Senate agree otherwise).

Posted by: Offense > Defense at November 11, 2020 04:41 PM (BBWrU)

464 Well, I think it's about time to hand out free drinks and tasty appetizers to people posting on this thread.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 11, 2020 04:41 PM (WkPC9)

465 Even if Trump gets PA and GA he still needs a bit more.

no he doesn't Nick

Posted by: BlackOrchid_j9HX3 at November 11, 2020 04:41 PM (j9HX3)

466

How funny would it be if all the troops were pulled out of there, and as the last one leaves, Trump greets him...

Then when Maj. Gen. Supreme Cmdr. Joe Hairy Legs Biden gets in charge, he puts them all back in.

It would be precious.

Posted by: Rev. Dr. E Buzz Miller, Lesbian at November 11, 2020 04:41 PM (lg/F7)

467 That would indicate ALL the mail-ins are void.
====

They should be! PA dems have been unbelievably squirrelly about ballot integrity throughout all of this. The burden of proof absolutely should be on them.

They just assume that there's no way SCOTUS or the PA legislature would ever "disenfranchise" so many real mail-in voters in order to eliminate the invalid ones.

Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at November 11, 2020 04:42 PM (sGnvY)

468 "Informed Delivery" they call it.
Posted by: wth at November 11, 2020 04:40 PM (v0R5T)

I never heard it called that before!

Posted by: clutch cargo at November 11, 2020 04:42 PM (8B6Ng)

469 442- agree except for the number. It will be 9-0 for 2 reasons. 1. If you can tell Alison to fuck off, you can do the same to Roberts, Kagan, Sotomayor, and Breyer. 2. 9-0 sends a signal to the left.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at November 11, 2020 04:42 PM (7o4Oo)

470 Who wants to bet their left nut Douche Bank execs donated to biden?

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at November 11, 2020 04:18 PM (KREfy)

__________

They likely donated hundreds of billions to Xi, who then donated billions to Biden.

Posted by: ShainS at November 11, 2020 04:42 PM (WqPYg)

471
The cat that concerns me is Gorsuch. I could see Gorsuch seeing all this, and writing his own opinion that this shit show - although obviously fraud - met the minimal standards. Maybe even throwing in an "I told you so" that goes nowhere.

If I had to bet - I think the Supremes don't hear this case. Four have to agree to hear it, right ? I bet it's Alito and Thomas and - nobody else.
Posted by: Always Be Lurking at November 11, 2020 04:41 PM (jDqdz)
------------

I think the best we can get from SCOTUS is telling PA follow their own election laws and remedies.

Posted by: WisRich at November 11, 2020 04:42 PM (G0vdT)

472 454 Yeah, I think the more PA goes hard on SCOTUS, the more SCOTUS loses as a institution if they don't respond according to the Constitution. This is the most extreme of cases, and should be treated as an issue of institutional survival and credibility.
Posted by: Marcus T at November 11, 2020 04:40 PM (VpIIl)

This begs the question - if the SCOTUS doesn't respond properly, there are no more "institutions". It's all dead, there's not coming back, we're just another banana republic waiting for the Dictator to take over.

or put another way; this is not merely a matter of institutional survival, this is a matter of national survival. If the country does not survive, no individual pieces of it survive.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 11, 2020 04:42 PM (Kpl3J)

473 >Philadelphia has destroyed all ballot envelopes.

I don't see what y'all are bitching about. The NYT just certified, via US election officials, that this was the bestest, most fairest election evar.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at November 11, 2020 04:42 PM (L106N)

474 AtC, I love you and your takes.

There may be cause for optimism here. This is setting up a situation where SCOTUS authority is not only being questioned, but outright denied. I think human nature being what it is that the Court is not going to be happy.

Alito might be giving PA enough rope to hang themselves in such an obvious way as to convince other Justices who might be on the fence about this.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at November 11, 2020 04:37 PM (wGxSf)

Possibly. I am, however, not optimistic on this.

If you read the various and sundry votes and decisions on the cases brought prior to the election, the through line, to the extent there is one that is discernible, is that SCOTUS considers these political questions into which the Court does not wish to insert itself.

Let us say the assertions re: PA outright ignoring both orders from Alito are accurate. What is the remedy? Well, in a normal case, spoliation would apply and given that it is the outright flouting of multiple orders, then the ultimate sanction of default in favor of the other party would be given.

Does anyone really and truly think that SCOTUS would throw out all the PA mail in ballots? Really? Because while that would be an appropriate sanction, again, presuming the stories are accurate, that would be such a drastic sanction with such a huge impact, I find it nearly impossible to believe that Roberts, in particular, would go along with it.

No, I am not optimistic about this at all.

Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at November 11, 2020 04:42 PM (GbPPJ)

475 >>> Well, I think it's about time to hand out free drinks and tasty appetizers to people posting on this thread.

I got here just in time, I see.

Posted by: fluffy at November 11, 2020 04:42 PM (3C8JP)

476 That was when Hillary was at her best with great jokes and cackles.
Posted by: ShainS at November 11, 2020 04:39 PM (WqPYg)

That's why it really got me when 2026 NeverTrumps would go on about "character." Say what you will about grabbing mish, but Hildawg stood in front of the coffins of Americans who died for their country and lied to their families.

Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at November 11, 2020 04:42 PM (LZ7Gl)

477 Harrumph. Bring it on, Pinkos.

Posted by: klaftern at November 11, 2020 04:43 PM (RuIsu)

478 ARGH

we had drop-offs all over the city! these things! not actual mailboxes!!!
they were for what we said? why do we need these?

but it was for plausible deniability!

"oh these ballots weren't MAILED, they were put in the fancy new BOXES"

Posted by: BlackOrchid_j9HX3 at November 11, 2020 04:43 PM (j9HX3)

479 re 450: from what I've heard, the numbers are way down the past four years

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at November 11, 2020 04:43 PM (4a9Vv)

480 >>"Informed Delivery" they call it.

And We're Against It!

Posted by: Otter Liberation Front at November 11, 2020 04:43 PM (6r/Ar)

481 What did SCOTUS decided to do when PA issue was brought to its attention? Oh, that's right , nothing. Kicked it back.

Posted by: La Oficina Del Presidente-Electo runner at November 11, 2020 04:43 PM (zr5Kq)

482 Well, I think it's about time to hand out free drinks and tasty appetizers to people posting on this thread.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 11, 2020 04:41 PM (WkPC9)
.......

Thanks but I just had lunch. However, I could go for a beer.

Posted by: wth at November 11, 2020 04:44 PM (v0R5T)

483 *decide to do

Posted by: La Oficina Del Presidente-Electo runner at November 11, 2020 04:44 PM (zr5Kq)

484 sorry and our GOVERNOR

is EVIL

he will ... it's WOLF

he is EVIL

omg

just negate PA entirely. scratch us off. no vote for us.

Posted by: BlackOrchid_j9HX3 at November 11, 2020 04:44 PM (j9HX3)

485 > the one with the Governor's signature is listed in 3 USC 15 as being the one that should count

There won't be one with the Governor's signature.

This isn't like a regular law that the Governor has to sign. The Constitution says that the legislature, and the legislature alone, has the power.

Posted by: President-Elect Rodrigo Borgia at November 11, 2020 04:44 PM (VikfB)

486 I agree. IANAL, but I don't see any reason why the PA Legislature itself couldn't make a declaration that the election has "failed" to meet the legislative demands. Whether it would stick is a different matter.

The PA Legislature won't do it unless forced because they are cowards. They are afraid of the mob showing up outside their homes.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at November 11, 2020 04:44 PM (RLh/8)

487 458 > whether the Legislature even needs 3 USC 2 to appoint its own electors

I don't think they do. The Constitution gives the state legislatures the power to appoint electors any way they damned well please.

Simon Says, coin flip, trial by combat...

Posted by: President-Elect Rodrigo Borgia at November 11, 2020 04:40 PM (VikfB)

++++

The only push back on this is: The state legislature DID select the method and they selected a state-wide popular vote. now that the vote is done, they can't just say "nevermind, we changed our minds." I'm pretty sure the state supreme court would override that, in that case.

BUT -- MASSIVE BUT HERE --

this isn't about the state legislature saying "nevermind." It's about them saying "we set the rules for a popular vote and it wasn't followed. Thus the popular vote is voided"

That's a minor but important distinction and keeps the court out of it.

Posted by: Shenanigans at November 11, 2020 04:44 PM (ZR7kf)

488 Wife still has the stomach to read prog media and posts... I guess they are going back to the this is what dictators do stuff... or it's Wednesday

Posted by: Inogame at November 11, 2020 04:44 PM (fkUxS)

489 what they viewed as a premature withdrawal from Afghanistan

Premature?! We've been there for NINETEEN YEARS! We've got second generation American military units stationed there, for crying out loud!

Posted by: pookysgirl, whose eyes have rolled out of their sockets at November 11, 2020 04:44 PM (XKZwp)

490 LOLGF

Posted by: Gaelic Girl at November 11, 2020 04:37 PM (5FCda)

Not by you, dear, but thanks for the offer!

Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at November 11, 2020 04:44 PM (GbPPJ)

491 All MAIL is scanned by the Postal Service.

*ctl-A, delete*

Oops...

Posted by: USPS at November 11, 2020 04:44 PM (fFtVH)

492 *Slides beer to Nurse thru USB port

Posted by: Jewells45TRUMPWON! at November 11, 2020 04:45 PM (nxdel)

493 Thanks but I just had lunch. However, I could go for a beer.

One bourbon, one scotch and one beer.

Posted by: La Oficina Del Presidente-Electo runner at November 11, 2020 04:45 PM (zr5Kq)

494 Sounds like reason enough to me, should "general assholitude" be deemed insufficient.

Just got it in from 90-odd minutes of snow-blowing. Driveway and walkways all cleared, plus a big wedge of yard that gives me a turn-around area, and access to the shop. I am well-pleased, now.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 11, 2020 04:45 PM (MhTAc)

495 Slowly making my way through that Dr. Shiva vote analysis video between conference calls. Interesting to say the least.

It leads me to wonder something: who the hell signed off on "weighted race allocation" systems for vote counting? Even if it works without manipulation (e.g., deliberate fraud), it is *still* going to result in vote shift between candidates that does not actually exist. Who signed off on algorithmic vote tabulation? A vote should be a census - count every item. Totals should be calculated, not derived. Even if such a system is honest, it is not correct.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 11, 2020 04:45 PM (hYcqw)

496 "Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at November 11, 2020 04:03 PM (GbPPJ)"

You know this shit and how the game is played.

Roberts has been implying for years his curios decisions are partially to protect the institution, and let's face it, his own ass and reputation. That's just Washington.

Now we will see it that's true. The legal argument for applying the most radical of judicial solutions sure seems like it's there. He can't ignore it. THEY can't ignore it, or they lose what little credibility they have left as an institution. They've been challenged as an institution and the decision they make will have lasting repercussions for the court and their cocktail party invitations.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 11, 2020 04:46 PM (VpIIl)

497 "464 Well, I think it's about time to hand out free drinks and tasty appetizers to people posting on this thread.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 11, 2020 04:41 PM (WkPC9) "

Or at least Snickers bars !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at November 11, 2020 04:46 PM (6psdy)

498 I think the best we can get from SCOTUS is telling PA follow their own election laws and remedies.

Posted by: WisRich

Could be, but the obvious rejoinder is that this isn't just a state matter. If the people of PA want to tolerate corruption, I guess that's their choice, but they don't get to dictate it to the rest of the country. If that were true, they could just declare that their voters are ten zillion to none for Biden. Doesn't mean SCOTUS won't still punt, though.

Posted by: pep at November 11, 2020 04:46 PM (v16oJ)

499 >>we had drop-offs all over the city! these things! not actual mailboxes!!!
they were for what we said? why do we need these?

but it was for plausible deniability!

Explaining the postal Service Freakout.

Postal Service Freakout

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Posted by: Otter Liberation Front at November 11, 2020 04:46 PM (6r/Ar)

500 Totally and wildly OT-Couple celebrates 60th anniversary in same outfits they got married in. God bless them!

https://tinyurl.com/y2xpsbly

And Ace, could we please have a totally politically free blow off thread-with lights and warning signs on it? Please.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 11, 2020 04:46 PM (WkPC9)

501 491 All MAIL is scanned by the Postal Service.

we had drop boxes put in late in the game, all over the city of philadelphia

for ballots to be dropped off

not mailed

they were potemkin - there so they could say "oh these ballots weren't mailed so no scans"

Posted by: BlackOrchid_j9HX3 at November 11, 2020 04:46 PM (j9HX3)

502
I don't know if other counties/states do this, but it seems straightforward enough. That these should have mandatory tracking seems like a no brainer. Which is why they probably don't.
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In AZ we can check our mail-in ballots online, and see the date they were mailed out, the date they were received back, and if they were accepted or rejected. You have to put in either your AZ driver's license ID #, or your voter identification #, to get the info.

I checked mine.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at November 11, 2020 04:46 PM (k4dH2)

503 No one wins in Afghanistan. History tells us. Why don't the dumbass generals know this?

Posted by: Seems Legit at November 11, 2020 04:46 PM (jUVms)

504 I realize snarky and cynicism rule the day but any Republican who voted to certify this election knowing what the world knows would lose their job in the next election. The pressure on them from their voters and the entire Republican party would crush them.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 11, 2020 04:23 PM (ZLI7S)

Do I have to point out again - if we lose this election, there will NEVER BE ANY MORE ELECTIONS! Not real ones, anyways. just Venezuela - California style pure fraud elections.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 11, 2020 04:46 PM (Kpl3J)

505 This begs the question - if the SCOTUS doesn't respond properly, there are no more "institutions". It's all dead, there's not coming back, we're just another banana republic waiting for the Dictator to take over.

or put another way; this is not merely a matter of institutional survival, this is a matter of national survival. If the country does not survive, no individual pieces of it survive.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 11, 2020 04:42 PM (Kpl3J)
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It's like my idiot neighbors with their BLM signs prominently displayed in their front yards, they think that somehow protects them from the mob if the mob shows up on our street. All those burning businesses and churches, with the BLM signs in the windows, should have clued them in. But nope.

Posted by: Boots at November 11, 2020 04:47 PM (oGBso)

506 451 427 All MAIL is scanned by the Postal Service.

Posted by: The Easy Button at November 11, 2020 04:36 PM (v0R5T)

Two words for you:

Bleach Bit.

Posted by: Gref at November 11, 2020 04:39 PM (AMIL

Many of the PA Mail-ins were just dumped where they were counting without going thru the post office.

Posted by: Justsayin' at November 11, 2020 04:47 PM (mHaO0)

507 we had drop boxes put in late in the game, all over the city of philadelphia

There you go.

Posted by: La Oficina Del Presidente-Electo runner at November 11, 2020 04:47 PM (zr5Kq)

508 The Dem lawyers are going to counter with an argument along the lines of:

You cannot, CANNOT, disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of black voters by throwing out all ballots because a few dozen may be missing some trivial, unimportant information!

Voter Suppression!
White Supremacist Attack on Democracy!
The same as lynching each and every black voter whose ballot is thrown-out!

Posted by: Gref at November 11, 2020 04:47 PM (AMIL/)

509 Try not having proof or back up with the IRS.

Posted by: Dempsy at November 11, 2020 04:47 PM (B4zJO)

510 my little town, if I mail a letter to my neighbor across the street, it takes a 400 mile, 3-4 day round trip, just so it can go through one of those scanners.
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Not with election ballots. They know better. Ballots are culled out and basically handled manually. At least that's what is supposed to happen.

Anyhoo, way to go Democrats. You've basically got every MFer in the entire Nation questioning the validity of elections. Every election, right down to County Roadkill Inspector.

And boy, are they pissed. Let's investigate Oklahoma while we're at it. I don't care if every single county is Red. Somewhere, some miserable wench threw away votes for Trump, or filled out 63 ballots saying "Yay!" to some stupid commie proposal.

Throw her ass in prison. Voting fraud needs to be a Capital Offense. One way or another.

Posted by: Common Tater at November 11, 2020 04:47 PM (pQrYJ)

511 503 No one wins in Afghanistan. History tells us. Why don't the dumbass generals know this?
Posted by: Seems Legit at November 11, 2020 04:46 PM (jUVms)

au contraire - every general and NGO that is taking a cut of the heroin trade is winning quite nicely. Why do you think they never want it to end?

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 11, 2020 04:47 PM (Kpl3J)

512 If the people of PA want to tolerate corruption, I guess that's their choice, but they don't get to dictate it to the rest of the country.

that sounds nice, pep, but that IS what happens!!!

I don't like corruption, but Philly does, but all of PA suffers because the city loves their corruption.

this is just one step extrapolated from that!

Posted by: BlackOrchid_j9HX3 at November 11, 2020 04:48 PM (j9HX3)

513
You cannot, CANNOT, disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of black voters by throwing out all ballots because a few dozen may be missing some trivial, unimportant information!
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How do they know the ballots were from black voters?

Posted by: Seems Legit at November 11, 2020 04:48 PM (jUVms)

514 457 Trump must have creamed Biden in PA for them to roll the dice like this.

PENNSYLVANIA WENT HEAVILY FOR TRUMP!!!!

I'm telling you! we really did!!!! people here are PISSED OFF beyond belief!

ARGGGGHHHH

Oh god. Philly went full ret*rd. You never go full ret*rd.
Posted by: BlackOrchid_j9HX3 at November 11, 2020 04:40 PM (j9HX3)

+++++

And that is why the state house will side with Trump, because they'd be siding with their constituents and neighbors who are hopping mad.

Posted by: Shenanigans at November 11, 2020 04:48 PM (ZR7kf)

515 Philadelphia has destroyed all ballot envelopes.

Hearing that vote fraud is 'exceedingly rare' gave us the confidence to burn them, knowing that nothing was wrong.

Posted by: Philadelphia at November 11, 2020 04:48 PM (B2mhs)

516 In AZ we can check our mail-in ballots online, and see the date they were mailed out, the date they were received back, and if they were accepted or rejected. You have to put in either your AZ driver's license ID #, or your voter identification #, to get the info.

I checked mine.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at November 11, 2020 04:46 PM (k4dH2)

Same with Calif.

Voter turnout this election? 55%

Why so low? Dems didn't have to cheat to win this state.

/spit

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 11, 2020 04:48 PM (NgKpN)

517 But if that whole drop box crap was crafted by legislature in PA, Roberts' SCOTUS will not do anything.

Posted by: La Oficina Del Presidente-Electo runner at November 11, 2020 04:48 PM (zr5Kq)

518
Well, I think it's about time to hand out free drinks and tasty appetizers to people posting on this thread.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 11, 2020 04:41 PM (WkPC9) "

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*scratches at door*
*whines*

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 11, 2020 04:48 PM (mht8P)

519 Many of the PA Mail-ins were just dumped where they were counting without going thru the post office.

there were DROP BOXES

they didn't HAVE to be mailed!!!

Posted by: BlackOrchid_j9HX3 at November 11, 2020 04:49 PM (j9HX3)

520 au contraire - every general and NGO that is taking a cut of the heroin trade is winning quite nicely. Why do you think they never want it to end?
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 11, 2020 04:47 PM (Kpl3J)

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I know, you're right, always follow the money. ALWAYS.

I know.

Posted by: Seems Legit at November 11, 2020 04:49 PM (jUVms)

521 > It's like my idiot neighbors with their BLM signs prominently displayed in their front yards, they think that somehow protects them from the mob if the mob shows up on our street.

There was a hilarious video on Twatter the other day. Some white cuckboi talking to a Burn Loot Murder mob.

Cuckboi: "You guys? Pleeeeeeasse don't burn my stuff!!!! There's my Biden sign right there! See? See?"

BLM Spokesthug: "Fuck yo' Biden sign, you honky-assed motherfucker."

Posted by: President-Elect Rodrigo Borgia at November 11, 2020 04:49 PM (VikfB)

522 Has anyone seen any report whether the Trump Team sent a "preservation demand letter" to the PA election officials? Don't know if the general rule applies in election litigation [a big IF] but under the general rule, destruction of or failure to preserve evidence after an adverse party has served a demand to preserve, a court can infer the destroyed evidence is adverse to the destroyers.

Posted by: Mr. Barky at November 11, 2020 04:49 PM (hKi6n)

523 Alito,

Whoa whoa whoa-ooh-ooh.

One more time oughts get it

One more for the robe.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at November 11, 2020 04:34 PM (WJXFc)

Nice

Posted by: G'rump928(C) at November 11, 2020 04:49 PM (yQpMk)

524 Or at least Snickers bars !
Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at November 11, 2020 04:46 PM (6psdy)

O.K. I have way, way too much candy. I don't know how many Snickers bars are left. They seemed to go very fast.
Everybody donated candy to give out in front of the church-with individual bags with candy and uplifting messages for the parents and only about ten people showed up. It's a good thing I do not have to try to fit in my wedding dress from ****mumble, mumble**** years ago, but the other residents of this house are eating more than I have. Swearsies!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 11, 2020 04:49 PM (WkPC9)

525 Troops must stay in Afghanistan for the next 1000 years. Anything else would be unconstitutional.
- Hawaiian Jugge

Posted by: Asshoes at November 11, 2020 04:49 PM (22mNy)

526 You cannot, CANNOT, disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of black voters by throwing out all ballots because a few dozen may be missing some trivial, unimportant information!

Watch me. Be better Philly. Be better.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 11, 2020 04:49 PM (aMV0K)

527 Take a powder Jake, I got your wife with the double barrel of pleasure you punkass bitch!

Posted by: Tommy Two Dongs at November 11, 2020 04:49 PM (rVhCN)

528 >>Do I have to point out again - if we lose this election, there will NEVER BE ANY MORE ELECTIONS! Not real ones, anyways. just Venezuela - California style pure fraud elections.

No, because everyone knows it. Including Republican state legislators in Pennsylvania.

@igorbobic

"The anger out there in these red states is so deep and palpabale that GOP legislators may have a difficult time seating Biden electors," Fox News' John Roberts casually says on air

Posted by: JackStraw at November 11, 2020 04:50 PM (ZLI7S)

529 I'm freaking out here - I need some validity - were the envelopes really destroyed? right now it's hearsay

the ONLY way to check these ballots is with the envelopes!

Posted by: BlackOrchid_j9HX3 at November 11, 2020 04:50 PM (j9HX3)

530 And that is why the state house will side with Trump, because they'd be siding with their constituents and neighbors who are hopping mad.

These are minor politicians. I'd think they'd be easy for a national, if not international, criminal organization to threaten.

Posted by: t-bird at November 11, 2020 04:50 PM (JioHo)

531 Of course, the Marxists behind all of this succeeded wildly, in their goal of destabilizing the country even further. They DO have a plan, after all.

Posted by: tubal at November 11, 2020 04:50 PM (bCLt0)

532 161 Philadelphia has destroyed all ballot envelopes.

This will make identifying naked ballots and ballots arriving post election impossible. It will also make finding fraud in an audit very hard.

Then I guess the entire lot is spoiled.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at November 11, 2020 04:09 PM (dNzKv)

Invalidate all of the ballots then for which that is true.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 11, 2020 04:51 PM (DXT9A)

533 I supported going into Afghanistan. Hell, I'd be fine with a long-term presence there. But Trump is the Commander in Chief and he's the one who makes those decisions. Not Mattis, not Esper, Trump.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at November 11, 2020 03:57 PM (RLh/

All it really requires is the long-term presence of a host of fission products.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 11, 2020 04:51 PM (MhTAc)

534 I've been checking the news sites to see if there is any Dem reaction to GA audit and recount.

Nothing yet. They don't seem to be worried yet.

Posted by: WisRich at November 11, 2020 04:51 PM (G0vdT)

535 531 Of course, the Marxists behind all of this succeeded wildly, in their goal of destabilizing the country even further. They DO have a plan, after all.
Posted by: tubal at November 11, 2020 04:50 PM (bCLt0)

The Spartacists had a plan.

But then, so did the Freikorps.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 11, 2020 04:51 PM (DXT9A)

536 Regarding Afghanistan- I believe the state department's motto, translated from the Latin is: there's no money to be made in actually solving problems.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at November 11, 2020 04:51 PM (7o4Oo)

537 I had an old friend ask me today that if firing Esper was Trump setting himself up to be a dictator, would I denounce Trump if he refuses to leave office in January?

I asked him when that never happens, will he denounce himself as a fucking lunatic?

I am running short on old friends these days.

Posted by: Innagaddadavida at November 11, 2020 04:52 PM (hpbeA)

538 Roberts has been implying for years his curios decisions are partially
to protect the institution, and let's face it, his own ass and
reputation. That's just Washington.

Marcus - honestly, as I see this - the decision at SCOTUS is going to come down to which side they fear the most. And that will come down to which side they want to disappoint the least. And that - if I'm right - will be us.

If it's heard - mark me down for Roberts and Kav joining the three libs. Gorsuch will write his own thing that nobody gives a shit about except him. Thomas and Alito will be pissed, but their dissent will not be the "win" it's always told to us it is - just another bitch session about another loss. I'll pick ACB to recuse because she just kinda' hit the lotto on this job and really, really did not sign up for this shit.

Posted by: Always Be Lurking at November 11, 2020 04:52 PM (jDqdz)

539 so next time for election skip the vote and go straigt to riot?

Somalia style?

I think we can win that

Posted by: will choose a nic later at November 11, 2020 04:52 PM (GIeIM)

540 It's probably a stretch to call our first demented-American president a thief. After 50 years pocketing things people ever so casually left out for him he just followed his usual habit.

Posted by: aelfheld at November 11, 2020 04:52 PM (IxDhF)

541 Posted by: Tom Servo at November 11, 2020 04:46 PM (Kpl3J)

The legitimacy of the entire government is at stake here.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at November 11, 2020 04:52 PM (YAr5m)

542 513
You cannot, CANNOT, disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of black voters by throwing out all ballots because a few dozen may be missing some trivial, unimportant information!
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How do they know the ballots were from black voters?

Posted by: Seems Legit at November 11, 2020 04:48 PM (jUVms)

Doesn't matter, one is as good as one million. It will be a propaganda battle as much as, or more than, a legal battle.

Posted by: Gref at November 11, 2020 04:52 PM (AMIL/)

543 There won't be one with the Governor's signature.

This isn't like a regular law that the Governor has to sign. The Constitution says that the legislature, and the legislature alone, has the power.

Posted by: President-Elect Rodrigo Borgia at November 11, 2020 04:44 PM (VikfB)

Once the SoS certifies, she presents the certificates to be sealed by the Governor. PA Title 25, #3166. These are then handled as in 3 USC 6.

The Secretary of the Commonwealth, on receiving and computing the returns of the election of presidential electors, shall lay them before the Governor, who shall enumerate and ascertain the number of votes given for each person so voted for, and shall cause a certificate of election to be delivered to each person so chosen.

It shall be the duty of the executive of each State, as soon as practicable after the conclusion of the appointment of the electors in such State by the final ascertainment, under and in pursuance of the laws of such State providing for such ascertainment, to communicate by registered mail under the seal of the State to the Archivist of the United States a certificate of such ascertainment of the electors appointed, setting forth the names of such electors ...

And 3 USC 15: But if the two Houses shall disagree in respect of the counting of such votes, then, and in that case, the votes of the electors whose appointment shall have been certified by the executive of the State, under the seal thereof, shall be counted.

Posted by: There is a Process, though I doubt it matters at November 11, 2020 04:52 PM (BBWrU)

544 533 I supported going into Afghanistan. Hell, I'd be fine with a long-term presence there. But Trump is the Commander in Chief and he's the one who makes those decisions. Not Mattis, not Esper, Trump.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at November 11, 2020 03:57 PM (RLh/

All it really requires is the long-term presence of a host of fission products.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 11, 2020 04:51 PM (MhTAc)------

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Not in Afghanistan. I support a long term presence in Iraq. But Afghanistan is a losing shithole death trap.

Posted by: Seems Legit at November 11, 2020 04:52 PM (jUVms)

545 Sorry, but i cant take Ace's post seriously.

If Trump fired Mattis because he wouldnt withdraw from Afghanistan, then wouldn't the first qualification for a new secretary of defense be "are you going to follow my orders a d withdraw from Afghanistan in 6 months?" If Esper fooled him on this, that doesn't exactly reflect well on Trump's judgement, does it? Trump couldn't find one defense expert who thibks Afghanistan is a quagmire?

Posted by: Keyser at November 11, 2020 04:52 PM (JFxN2)

546 464 Well, I think it's about time to hand out free drinks and tasty appetizers to people posting on this thread.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 11, 2020 04:41 PM (WkPC9) "

Or at least Snickers bars !
Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at November 11, 2020 04:46 PM (6psdy)
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the Fun Size ones might fit through the innertubes easier.

Posted by: wth at November 11, 2020 04:52 PM (v0R5T)

547 A state can burn all the ballot envelopes and get no penalty, but I don't have one receipt during an IRS audit and they take my balls.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 11, 2020 04:52 PM (oVJmc)

548 No one wins in Afghanistan. History tells us.

Afghanistan is odd. EVERYONE kicks their asses going back to Alexander and yet, the shithole remains. Basically because it is less of country than a lawless area between actual countries. Sort of a violent Coventry for genetic defectives.

Posted by: G'rump928(C) at November 11, 2020 04:52 PM (yQpMk)

549 I've been checking the news sites to see if there is any Dem reaction to GA audit and recount.

That extremely large woman said that upon recount Bidet will win GA.

Posted by: La Oficina Del Presidente-Electo runner at November 11, 2020 04:53 PM (zr5Kq)

550 512
If the people of PA want to tolerate corruption, I guess that's their
choice, but they don't get to dictate it to the rest of the country.

that sounds nice, pep, but that IS what happens!!!

Understood. I'm just going through the arguments that SCOTUS will have to confront if they decide to let this stand.

Posted by: pep at November 11, 2020 04:53 PM (v16oJ)

551
Philadelphia has destroyed all ballot envelopes.

Before the election is certified? Interesting.

Posted by: DAK at November 11, 2020 04:53 PM (PtOP4)

552 If a computer glitch added a bunch of money to my checking account, does that mean I get to keep it....?

Posted by: WitchDoktor at November 11, 2020 04:53 PM (wGxSf)

553 "All it really requires is the long-term presence of a host of fission products."

"They make a desert and call it peace." -- Tacitus

Ol' Tacky knew what he was talking about.

Posted by: President-Elect Rodrigo Borgia at November 11, 2020 04:53 PM (VikfB)

554 In AZ we can check our mail-in ballots online, and see the date they were mailed out, the date they were received back, and if they were accepted or rejected. You have to put in either your AZ driver's
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You don't get to rest easy. They scanned the envelope bar code.

OK. Was it with a ballot? How do you know? Was your ballot destroyed, and another one put in its place?

Did some state level actor shit flip a bit and assign YOUR vote to Sundown Joe and the Ho, against your express wishes? Were fraudulent paper ballots before, during, or after the election used to nullify your vote and disenfranchise you?

How do you KNOW your vote was accurately cast? This is bullshit, as you may have guessed.

Posted by: Common Tater at November 11, 2020 04:53 PM (pQrYJ)

555 As someone who has spent much time in Afghanistan (mostly as a contractor post-retirement), I can tell you that 90 percent of what the US military is doing there can be done by contractors. Well, 70 percent of it already is being done by contractors, so maybe 95 percent would be a better proportion. You do need a few headquarters folks at what used to be ISAF, you want green-(or blue-)suiters overseeing actual expenditure of funds, you want some intelligence/special ops folks around to go after the occasional bad guys who operate there and in neighboring regions, and you probably need some helicopter drivers, but most of the troops could go home tomorrow, be replaced by contract trainers and advisors, and it would not make a bit of difference.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at November 11, 2020 04:53 PM (jK8Z7)

556 "The anger out there in these red states is so deep and palpabale that GOP legislators may have a difficult time seating Biden electors," Fox News' John Roberts casually says on air
Posted by: JackStraw at November 11, 2020 04:50 PM (ZLI7S)

They're not going to believe until a few key media people are taken out, Lee Harvey Oswald style.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 11, 2020 04:53 PM (Kpl3J)

557 Just read about the Trump lawsuit against Pa's Secretary of State Kathy Boockvar, sounds very good case. Still wondering what going against a SC Justice will do in that not keeping ballots separate.
Altogether Pennsylvania could very well come down to some lawmakers having to do what the voters wanted.

Posted by: Skip at November 11, 2020 04:53 PM (9sWOw)

558 got here just in time, I see.
Posted by: fluffy at November 11, 2020 04:42 PM (3C8JP)

LOL.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 11, 2020 04:53 PM (WkPC9)

559 Can these news orgs offer an understanding of why we need to stay in Afganistan so badly that they support insubordinate secretaries and under secretaries over the Preezy....
Who is in charge again?
Again, what is the policy problem with this withdrawal other than its what PDT has ordered?

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at November 11, 2020 04:54 PM (DalM7)

560 You cannot, CANNOT, disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of black voters by throwing out all ballots because a few dozen may be missing some trivial, unimportant information!

Nope, but all of those missing that trivial unimportant information go right into the dumper. Every. Single. One.

Because you KNOW the Reds destroyed envelopes to make validation impossible. They thought that that would necessitate counting all such ballots as valid.

Wrong. I'd classify all of them as invalid. Absence of proof of validity --> invalidity.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 11, 2020 04:54 PM (DXT9A)

561 Not in Afghanistan. I support a long term presence in Iraq. But Afghanistan is a losing shithole death trap.
Posted by: Seems Legit at November 11, 2020 04:52 PM (jUVms)

A trap fallen into by many throughout history.

Posted by: DR.WTF at November 11, 2020 04:54 PM (AiZBA)

562 It's a good thing I do not have to try to fit in my
wedding dress from ****mumble, mumble**** years ago, but the other
residents of this house are eating more than I have. Swearsies!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 11, 2020 04:49 PM (WkPC9)

I've been a good flounder. I can haz snickers?

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 11, 2020 04:54 PM (KnJdm)

563 > Basically because it is less of country than a lawless area between actual countries.

It's pretty much the Asian equivalent of Belgium.

Posted by: President-Elect Rodrigo Borgia at November 11, 2020 04:54 PM (VikfB)

564 And now, from Bizarro World . . .

UN Watch
@UNWatch
China, newly elected to the U.N. Human Rights Council, just reviewed the U.S. human rights record.

"China wishes to recommend to the U.S.:
1. Root out systematic racism, address widespread police brutality and combat discrimination against African- and Asian-Americans...."

-
Hey, China, stick to laundries and sweet n sour.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 11, 2020 04:54 PM (+y/Ru)

565 547 A state can burn all the ballot envelopes and get no penalty, but I don't have one receipt during an IRS audit and they take my balls.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 11, 2020 04:52 PM (oVJmc)

My new policy to the IRS would be to slow-walk everything as much as possible. "Just give me a minute, need to grab a drink." *half an hour later* "Now where were we... Oh sorry, phone call on another line."

Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 11, 2020 04:54 PM (Zm+LZ)

566 I just checked.no NOOD yet.
but that's okay, this is a good thread, Ace should let it run for a while unless something else really good has come up.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at November 11, 2020 04:54 PM (4a9Vv)

567 Try not having proof or back up with the IRS.
Posted by: Dempsy at November 11, 2020 04:47 PM (B4zJO)

Back when I did tractor trailer litigation, the trucking companies routinely said, oh, sorry, we only keep receipts showing where fuel was bought and tolls were clocked and the like for 90 days, sorry about that.

Then one day someone with a background in tax law got that in response to some discovery (this was not someone in our firm) and he replied, funny, the IRS requires that all such documents be kept for 7 years in case of audit. Guess you don't care about audits then so you don't mind if I notify the IRS about this, right?

Guess what suddenly showed up. And guess what went around to the plaintiffs' bar like wild fire?

Suddenly a whole bunch of defendants had to tell a whole bunch of judges why they submitted answers that were materially false.

Good times, good times.

Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at November 11, 2020 04:54 PM (GbPPJ)

568 Afghanistan is odd. EVERYONE kicks their asses going back to Alexander and yet, the shithole remains. Basically because it is less of country than a lawless area between actual countries. Sort of a violent Coventry for genetic defectives.
Posted by: G'rump928(C) at November 11, 2020 04:52 PM (yQpMk)

So basically Nevada.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 11, 2020 04:54 PM (hku12)

569 Best way to deal with Apfhghanistan is to secure the borders of countries surrounding it.

Posted by: La Oficina Del Presidente-Electo runner at November 11, 2020 04:55 PM (zr5Kq)

570 How do they know the ballots were from black voters?
Posted by: Seems Legit at November 11, 2020 04:48 PM (jUVms)

"Shut up h8r!" they explained.

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at November 11, 2020 04:55 PM (2C38g)

571 427 All MAIL is scanned by the Postal Service.
Posted by: The Easy Button at November 11, 2020 04:36 PM (v0R5T)
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Its even photographed. Until they accidentally delete it.

Posted by: Jimco Industries at November 11, 2020 04:55 PM (buTO7)

572 Afghanistan is odd. EVERYONE kicks their asses going back to Alexander and yet, the shithole remains. Basically because it is less of country than a lawless area between actual countries. Sort of a violent Coventry for genetic defectives.
Posted by: G'rump928(C) at November 11, 2020 04:52 PM (yQpMk)

A-stan could be won, Roman style

they all go to sex segregated concentration camps.

When they all die off, colonize with Americans

Posted by: will choose a nic later at November 11, 2020 04:56 PM (GIeIM)

573 And 3 USC 15: But if the two Houses shall disagree in respect of the
counting of such votes, then, and in that case, the votes of the
electors whose appointment shall have been certified by the executive of
the State, under the seal thereof, shall be counted.

This really needs to be followed by: "And the number of the counting shall be three. Five is right out."

Posted by: pep at November 11, 2020 04:56 PM (v16oJ)

574 Our nation is built on laws and the precedent of judgments. When you break the law a judgment is rendered, telling all future generations what the crime is, whether you do it once or a million times.

bad ballots are tossed. That's the law.

The only difference now is that the democrats cheats SO MUCH they're basically saying "you'd have to toss hundreds of thousands, maybe over a million ballots!"

But if your argument is "it was SO illegal you can't stop it" that's not a winning strategy.

bad ballots are tossed. That's the law. I don't care if it's one or a million

Posted by: Shenanigans at November 11, 2020 04:56 PM (ZR7kf)

575 541 Posted by: Tom Servo at November 11, 2020 04:46 PM (Kpl3J)

The legitimacy of the entire government is at stake here.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at November 11, 2020 04:52 PM (YAr5m)

The thing is that illegitimate governments don't care, as long as they have the guns. California's state government doesn't care that they're a fraud state, neither does Venezuela's, neither do any of the corruptastans around the world. Getting power and using it is the only thing they care about.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 11, 2020 04:56 PM (Kpl3J)

576 can't wait for the First 48 Hours part when these POS start rolling on each other

Posted by: x at November 11, 2020 04:56 PM (0tE/i)

577 "Posted by: Tom Servo at November 11, 2020 04:47 PM (Kpl3J)"

You seem like a nice guy. Why dont you stick to things you know instead of impugning our military members on Veterans Day.

We can all have a nice talk on getting out of AFG. I'm all for it. We've been there for too long with no decent exit strategy. But pulling up stakes too fast can be dangerous. See Iraq.

Now personally, I think we are in a position to seriously draw down and leave a manageable presence. No doubt the chair polishers in DC have been sitting on their asses and delaying this. But it needs to be done the right way, protecting our ass as we go.

Posted by: Hesco Gypsy, staring from 457 meters at November 11, 2020 04:56 PM (5j8uv)

578 552
If a computer glitch added a bunch of money to my checking account, does that mean I get to keep it....?

Posted by: WitchDoktor at November 11, 2020 04:53 PM (wGxSf)

If it did 90,000 times would it be a glitch?

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at November 11, 2020 04:56 PM (DalM7)

579
You cannot, CANNOT, disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of black voters by throwing out all ballots because a few dozen may be missing some trivial, unimportant information!
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Tell them to take it with their democratic leadership who decided to commit massive fraud.

Posted by: DAK at November 11, 2020 04:56 PM (PtOP4)

580 Now is the autumn of our discontent. Winter is gonna be lit!!

Posted by: tubal at November 11, 2020 04:56 PM (bCLt0)

581 Damned good reason to fire their asses. If the Afgans can't make it on their own after 18 years, fuck them. Let the Tallies have it. Hosever, I suspect they have been playing us.

Posted by: Bob (formerly known as Beto) at November 11, 2020 04:56 PM (hVOXD)

582 If not I suggest you do. It might help explain some of the deviations from predicted results. It's focused on MI but I wouldn't be surprised if the same things show up elsewhere.
Posted by: JackStraw
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I haven't seen it, but I skipped through to see some highlights and conclusions. Pretty damning math in there by the engineer.

This is probably the 4th or 5th solid analysis of data that shows giant red flags that can't be written off as coincidence or expected voter behavior.

Honestly, when any of this hits the trial phase, the statistical evidence is a slam dunk. The one thing we don't know, but what would sink the Dems, is if Trump's team introduces evidence that the software that can do this exists and was present in the machines.

Which gets me wondering why Haspel has visited McConnell two days in a row.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 11, 2020 04:56 PM (5p7BC)

583 Afghanistan is odd. EVERYONE kicks their asses going back to Alexander and yet, the shithole remains. Basically because it is less of country than a lawless area between actual countries. Sort of a violent Coventry for genetic defectives.
Posted by: G'rump928(C) at November 11, 2020 04:52 PM (yQpMk)

It's geography is just distant enough from the centers of civilization that it's hard to maintain a presence there.

If all roads lead to Rome, at the other end of those roads is Kabul.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at November 11, 2020 04:56 PM (RLh/8)

584 I have been right to blaim most of the mail fraud on Pa's Secretary of State Kathy Boockvar, she totally let mail voters get away with untold fraud that as a in person voter ( me) couldn't.

Posted by: Skip at November 11, 2020 04:57 PM (9sWOw)

585 bad ballots are tossed. That's the law. I don't care if it's one or a million

oh God Shenanigans

I hope you're right

Posted by: BlackOrchid_j9HX3 at November 11, 2020 04:57 PM (j9HX3)

586 The PA Legislature won't do it unless forced because they are cowards. They are afraid of the mob showing up outside their homes.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at November 11, 2020 04:44 PM (RLh/

I think the question they get to answer is not "how do I prevent the mob from showing up outside my home?" The question they must confront is "which mob will show up?". The smarter ones will also be asking "... and is there some way for me to persuade a better-trained mob to take my side?"

Posted by: Mostly Peaceful Grognard at November 11, 2020 04:57 PM (b3x5S)

587 bad ballots are tossed. That's the law. I don't care if it's one or a million
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That's going to be the Alito/Thomas dissent.

Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at November 11, 2020 04:57 PM (sGnvY)

588
And that is why the state house will side with Trump, because they'd be siding with their constituents and neighbors who are hopping mad.
Posted by: Shenanigans at November 11, 2020 04:48 PM (ZR7kf)

Suggestion for those people:

March on Harrisburg. En masse.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 11, 2020 04:57 PM (s2VJv)

589 Late again. Damned work.

Every single one of these deep state shitheads that wants continuous war need to be drugged and air dropped into a forward OP with a canteen, and three MRES. Then airdropped another three MREs five days later and maybe some ammo.

Fuck them. And fuck their wars.

Posted by: BifBewalski AOS Moron at November 11, 2020 04:57 PM (WDc1r)

590 560 "You cannot, CANNOT, disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of black voters by throwing out all ballots because a few dozen may be missing some trivial, unimportant information!"

Nope, but all of those missing that trivial unimportant information go right into the dumper. Every. Single. One.

Because you KNOW the Reds destroyed envelopes to make validation impossible. They thought that that would necessitate counting all such ballots as valid.

Wrong. I'd classify all of them as invalid. Absence of proof of validity --> invalidity.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 11, 2020 04:54 PM (DXT9A)

That's the case Giuliani was making.

Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 11, 2020 04:57 PM (Zm+LZ)

591 582
Which gets me wondering why Haspel has visited McConnell two days in a row.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 11, 2020 04:56 PM (5p7BC)

He I kind of sort of trust. She I do NOT trust at all...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 11, 2020 04:58 PM (s2VJv)

592 A-stan could be won, Roman style

they all go to sex segregated concentration camps.

When they all die off, colonize with Americans

Posted by: will choose a nic later at November 11, 2020 04:56 PM (GIeIM)

That takes way too long, no one could keep up that intensity of effort.

But the real problem with Afghanistan is that there's nothing there worth having. It's a completely meaningless and worthless place, that's why all the mental and genetic defectives have ended up there.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 11, 2020 04:58 PM (Kpl3J)

593 Toobin has reportedly been fired.

Posted by: President-Elect Rodrigo Borgia at November 11, 2020 04:59 PM (VikfB)

594 You cannot, CANNOT, disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of black voters by throwing out all ballots because a few dozen may be missing some trivial, unimportant information!

How do we know they're black?

If we throw them all out, it's everybody. No disparate impact.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 11, 2020 04:59 PM (oVJmc)

595 Our federal gubbermint is corrupt. Utterly and completely rotten from root to trunk to twig to leaf.

Posted by: I Have Questions at November 11, 2020 04:59 PM (+v+zN)

596 *nom nom nom*

Posted by: nurse ratched, watching the left clutch their pearls at November 11, 2020 04:59 PM (W2Pud)

597
Trump's political enemies kill Americans. They send Americans to die in endless foreign wars, under handicapping rules of engagement, with secrets routinely leaked to the enemy. They open the borders to a flood of illegal aliens, who kill us, displace us from employment, and hog social services.

Trump interferes with killing Americans, it's one of his virtues, so they frame him for inflated death numbers from an infectious illness.

Trump's enemies want us to be poor. Trump brings back the economy so they sabotage the economy with a scientifically groundless lockdown.

Trump's enemies are our enemies.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at November 11, 2020 04:59 PM (cm2N9)

598 I read somewhere that ALL voting records must be kept for 22 months. Every scrap of paper, including envelopes.

Posted by: Jimco Industries at November 11, 2020 04:59 PM (buTO7)

599 nood

Posted by: Ace at 04:56 PM

topic

MSNBC Fires "Historian" and Talking Head Jon Meacham After Learning That Meacham Was Secretly Writing Biden's Speeches

Posted by: Stateless Infidel - There are 11 types of FEMALE ORGASM - I can MAYBE give you 3!!!! at November 11, 2020 04:59 PM (v2c9/)

600 566 I just checked.no NOOD yet.
but that's okay, this is a good thread, Ace should let it run for a while unless something else really good has come up.
Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at November 11, 2020 04:54 PM (4a9Vv)

Sadly, the NOOD is about some minor MSNBC/Biden nonsense

Posted by: I prefer this thread at November 11, 2020 04:59 PM (BBWrU)

601 Toobin has reportedly been fired.

More like 'ready, aim, fired.'

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 11, 2020 04:59 PM (oVJmc)

602 NOOD!

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at November 11, 2020 04:59 PM (4a9Vv)

603 @538...you really think Kav's the weak link? I think it's Gorsuch, or even Barrett. But I just cannot see Kav handing the people who put him through what he went through a victory like this. Maybe I misread him.

Posted by: occam's brassiere at November 11, 2020 05:00 PM (evxBY)

604 But the real problem with Afghanistan is that there's nothing there worth having.

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Good poppy growing conditions.

Posted by: Boots at November 11, 2020 05:00 PM (oGBso)

605 nood !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at November 11, 2020 05:00 PM (6psdy)

606 Now personally, I think we are in a position to
seriously draw down and leave a manageable presence. No doubt the chair
polishers in DC have been sitting on their asses and delaying this. But
it needs to be done the right way, protecting our ass as we go.
Posted by: Hesco Gypsy, staring from 457 meters at November 11, 2020 04:56 PM (5j8uv)

Of course - don't just march out of there in a line. They'll ambush the shit out of you that way. Do it like Sean Connery in A Bridge Too Far. Sneak out - whatever the shit that "collapsing bag" idea was.

But get out. That's not XXX Corps guns you hear.

Posted by: Always Be Lurking at November 11, 2020 05:00 PM (jDqdz)

607 579 Its very possible Trump had a high teens to low twenties % in Black male vote

Posted by: Skip at November 11, 2020 05:00 PM (9sWOw)

608 >>Honestly, when any of this hits the trial phase, the statistical evidence is a slam dunk. The one thing we don't know, but what would sink the Dems, is if Trump's team introduces evidence that the software that can do this exists and was present in the machines.

I've got to watch the video again. There was so much I might have missed it but I believe he said the software is indeed in the machines.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 11, 2020 05:00 PM (ZLI7S)

609 Trump couldn't find one defense expert who thibks Afghanistan is a quagmire?
Posted by: Keyser at November 11, 2020 04:52 PM (JFxN2)

No. It should be pretty obvious by now, with probably a $trillion reasons why, any non-globalist nationalist is virtually extinct in any agency in Washington.

Globalism is where the cash and power is at for the elites (and China), and that cash and power filters down to their henchmen and nobody else and has since the end of the cold war. Generations of depth with one viewpoint that serves them very well indeed, and another that doesn't. They can even humor themselves that globalism is good for us and the world (while it's very, very good for them specifically).

Having stated that, there are picks like Bolton that were an obvious loser from the time they were announced. I believe he must not have tracked the details of the neocon world all that much before 2016 and has had to rely on public "reputations" and "advisors" ever since.

Posted by: Keith at November 11, 2020 05:02 PM (jdGlx)

610 598 I read somewhere that ALL voting records must be kept for 22 months. Every scrap of paper, including envelopes.
Posted by: Jimco Industries at November 11, 2020 04:59 PM (buTO7)

See #351. It's 2 years, Section 1309 of Act 77.

Posted by: Philly interpretation of "shall be safely kept" at November 11, 2020 05:02 PM (BBWrU)

611 My bartendress friend is telling me about how she's been genetically inclined toward boots. In other words she has white girl's.
Here I am a conservative Christian man.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at November 11, 2020 05:02 PM (rTgbC)

612
594 You cannot, CANNOT, disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of black voters by throwing out all ballots because a few dozen may be missing some trivial, unimportant information!

How do we know they're black?

If we throw them all out, it's everybody. No disparate impact.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 11, 2020 04:59 PM (oVJmc)

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Well, because they need special help or else they'll make mistakes. You know...

Posted by: A Leftist at November 11, 2020 05:02 PM (cm2N9)

613 Ace said he likes to have a NOOD before the All 6 gets around

Posted by: Skip at November 11, 2020 05:02 PM (9sWOw)

614 @538...you really think Kav's the weak link? I think
it's Gorsuch, or even Barrett. But I just cannot see Kav handing the
people who put him through what he went through a victory like this.
Maybe I misread him.
Posted by: occam's brassiere at November 11, 2020 05:00 PM (evxBY)

Kav's the guy that cried constantly on TV - and he's already sucking up to Roberts. Gorsuch is the guy that will support anything if he can see a rule for it. Ovens and boxcars ? No problem for Gorsuch - as long as he can find an eminence of a penumbra. Barrent will join those other two chics within a year. It's what chics do.

Thomas and Alito are all I trust. I'm sticking by my earlier bet. I don't think Trump gets four votes to even hear this thing.

Posted by: Always Be Lurking at November 11, 2020 05:04 PM (jDqdz)

615 Philadelphia has destroyed all ballot envelopes.

This will make identifying naked ballots and ballots arriving post election impossible. It will also make finding fraud in an audit very hard.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 11, 2020 04:08 PM (ZLI7S)

Not a lawyer, but I think that is called "spoliation of evidence" and gets you a stay in the slammer, in a just world.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 11, 2020 05:04 PM (Q5jbo)

616 542
513

You cannot, CANNOT, disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of black
voters by throwing out all ballots because a few dozen may be missing
some trivial, unimportant information!

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How do they know the ballots were from black voters?

Posted by: Seems Legit at November 11, 2020 04:48 PM (jUVms)

Doesn't matter, one is as good as one million. It will be a propaganda battle as much as, or more than, a legal battle.

Posted by: Gref at November 11, 2020 04:52 PM (AMIL/)
Wait I though it was rich white lefties disenfranchise POC who voted for PDT by inserting bad code into the voting system switching their PDT votes to Biden and working all night making 100K one vote ballots for Biden?

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at November 11, 2020 05:04 PM (DalM7)

617 All in all it is probably better to have a siege around Afghanistan letting nothing in or out than step 1 foot in the place.

Posted by: Skip at November 11, 2020 05:04 PM (9sWOw)

618 Just a hint as to why Afghanistan might be a little bit important: there is potentially a trillion-dollar deposit of lithium there. You know, like for Tesla car batteries. The second largest unmined iron ore reserve in the world. Copper, gold, you name it. It borders China, Iran, and Pakistan and was a terrorist haven during the Taliban days. We do have a strategic interest.

Does that mean continued military presence? Hell, no. We have to leave sometime, and there is always an excuse why we can't, so now is just as good a time as any. But abandoning Iraq didn't work out well. Some food for thought.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at November 11, 2020 05:05 PM (jK8Z7)

619 Not a lawyer, but I think that is called "spoliation of evidence" and gets you a stay in the slammer, in a just world.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 11, 2020 05:04 PM (Q5jbo)

Yep. They did it because they thought it would help them.

I'd turn it around, and make it HURT them, so that they'd be desperate to find any envelopes they could.

Oh, you destroyed them all? Too bad. Destroy the corresponding ballots too, because we're not accepting them.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 11, 2020 05:06 PM (DXT9A)

620 Well Trump is not going anywhere and Esper was probably fired because he is totes OK with rioters destroying America but other than that... Tapper is probably totally right.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at November 11, 2020 05:06 PM (946rW)

621 Doesn't matter, one is as good as one million. It will be a propaganda battle as much as, or more than, a legal battle.

Posted by: Gref

Fine. *picks up ballot.

Prove this is a legal, legitimate ballot.

Can't? It goes in the shredder so it doesn't disenfranchise a legitimate vote.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 11, 2020 05:07 PM (aMV0K)

622 BTW, if this gets the troops out of that hellhole where they can't properly defend themselves and have to worry about getting shot in the back by our allies then GOOD.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at November 11, 2020 05:08 PM (946rW)

623 Philadelphia has destroyed all ballot envelopes.

This will make identifying naked ballots and ballots arriving post
election impossible. It will also make finding fraud in an audit very
hard.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 11, 2020 04:08 PM (ZLI7S)

Not a lawyer, but I think that is called "spoliation of evidence" and gets you a stay in the slammer, in a just world.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 11, 2020 05:04 PM (Q5jbo)

Throw them all out then.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at November 11, 2020 05:10 PM (946rW)

624 Philadelphia has destroyed all ballot envelopes.

This will make identifying naked ballots and ballots arriving post
election impossible. It will also make finding fraud in an audit very
hard.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 11, 2020 04:08 PM (ZLI7S)

Actually that makes proving fraud very easy. They were supposed to retain envelopes. They destroyed envelopes. All of their ballots are now presumed illegal.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at November 11, 2020 05:11 PM (946rW)

625 AOP, we are no longer living in a just world.

Posted by: Gem at November 11, 2020 05:16 PM (kIHih)

626 One caution on this: Were they scanned to create electronic records? That's what we do in Texas. All the absentee ballots and the envelopes they were in (both the inside and outside envelope) are scanned and they become public records (with who you voted for redacted).
Posted by: Maverick (TM) at November 11, 2020 04:22 PM (jK8Z7)

Scans could be altered by use of image-editing software. The original hard copies, not so much.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 11, 2020 05:24 PM (pNYG1)

627 How do you KNOW your vote was accurately cast? This is bullshit, as you may have guessed.
________________

I didn't say my vote was accurately counted. Only that I checked the state website and saw that they confirmed it had been received and accepted (meaning they supposedly matched my signatures). I have to take their word for it that they recorded the vote as I cast it, and these days of course, that's a big leap of faith.

We need to do the things that Dr. Shiva from MIT is suggesting in terms of having open source software, paper ballots, automatic audits, required retention of paper ballots, publish precinct poll tapes on election night, etc.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at November 11, 2020 05:26 PM (k4dH2)

628 Is Jake Tapper tapping Jonah Goldberg's woman?

Posted by: Sphynx at November 11, 2020 05:33 PM (rXie1)

629 I did read that Esper got the chop because he had started working with Biden's people, despite the fact that the election hasn't finished.

Posted by: Davod at November 11, 2020 05:36 PM (fGRf+)

630 Kara McKinney now on OAN. Hubba hubba.

Posted by: Mr. Fool Brownie Blackie at November 11, 2020 09:02 PM (vrBaR)

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