Science Isn't Dead, But It Is Ailing - Part 2

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The politicization of science has now been proceeding apace for some years. The problem began, of course, with the social "sciences," which were dodgy to begin with, and became worse as they became a vehicle for advancing the leftist agenda. We've all seen numerous "studies" purporting to show that conservatives are all father-rapers who dance in the nude in the moonlight chanting over a dead cat.

Such "studies" are, of course, ridiculous, and no one with a room temperature IQ or above takes them seriously. But there is a more pernicious aspect, in that leftists cite social "science" studies as "proof" that their views reflect ScienceTM and that therefore anyone who opposes them is rejecting ScienceTM, and can therefore be dismissed as a Neanderthal.

A case in point occurred involving Prop. 8 in California, a voter initiative that effectively banned homosexual marriage and that had passed handily. In the ensuing litigation the state - in the person of AG Jerry Brown, a well-known conservative - was charged with defending Prop. 8, which they did with all the desire that any of us would have to kiss Hillary Clinton on the mouth.

Those trying to overturn Prop. 8 presented numerous "studies" showing that homosexual liaisons were fantastic, more stable than heterosexual ones in fact, and much to be encouraged, much like homosexuality itself. The state - i.e., Jerry Brown - produced bupkis. The presiding judge then overturned Prop. 8, saying that the state had failed to produce any studies rebutting those proffered by those opposed to Prop. 8, and then concluded the farcial pat-a-cake performance by going home to his husband. Now to my mind, this politicization of social "science," with the exception of instances such as that above, is no more concerning than would be the politicization of phrenology, or dowsing.

But what is troubling is the increasing politicization of actual science. The poster child for this, of course, is global warming, and more recently the Covid restrictions. Are masks and social distancing beneficial, not beneficial, sort of beneficial, or utterly necessary, but only for those in churches, political rallies, etc., with those engaging in rioting and looting enjoying immunity from the virus? Somehow, inexplicably, those engaging in left-wing "activities" do not spread the virus. Perhaps carrying an HDTV out of a Best Buy is some sort of protective talisman, a contemporary equivalent of a rabbit's foot or a St. Christopher medal.

Those are just high-profile instances of the politicization of science. Meanwhile, below the radar, the rot is spreading rapidly on less well-known fronts. For example, the proliferation of science and technology "studies," as well as engineering "studies" provides leftists - and these areas are exclusively leftist domains - with the patina of science, technology, and engineering, but without the substance. It gives its practitioners some aura of credibility while they promote leftist agitprop, secure in the knowledge that most people will they are listening to a scientist or an engineer, instead of a jumped-up sociologist. For example, from Wikipedia:

Engineering studies is an interdisciplinary branch of social sciences and humanities devoted to the study of engineers and their activities, often considered a part of science and technology studies (STS), and intersecting with and drawing from engineering education research.

So, basically, there's no engineering in "engineering studies."

We here at Casa Guevara came face to face with this politicization of science problem several years ago, when one of the Guevara spawn contemplated taking an AP high school course entitled "environmental science." He got the reading list and immediately rejected that idea. What was on the reading list, you ask? Articles on the carbon cycle, the nitrogen cycle, that sort of thing?

Not a bit of it. It was entirely leftist agitprop. Not a scintilla of actual science.

Here's the flavor of it, with excerpts from reviews, with more detail compiled here.

A Civil Action, by Jonathan Harr

"A Civil Action reads like one long advertisement for a few well-placed Molotov cocktails."
OK then.

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Crimes Against Nature, by Robert F. Kennedy
Now here, I thought, is a topic on which the Kennedys can certainly write with authority, but the whole title is: Crimes Against Nature: How George W. Bush and His Corporate Pals Are Plundering the Country and Hijacking Our Democracy
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Death in the Marsh, by Tom Harris
***

This detailed, persuasive narrative further clarifies the need to discover and remedy environmental perils while we still have the power to do so.
We've only got N years!
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Earth in the Balance, by Al Gore

This hardly needs discussion.

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Eco-Warriors: Understanding the Radical Environmental Movement

Eco-Warriors was the first in-depth look at the people, actions, history and philosophies behind the "radical" environmental movement. Focusing on the work of Earth First!, the Sea Shepherds, Greenpeace, and the Animal Liberation Front, among others, Rik Scarce told exciting and sometimes frightening tales of front-line warriors defending an Earth they see as being in environmental peril.
...
Literate, captivating, and informative, this is also an ideal volume for classes on environmentalism, social movements, or contemporary politics.
"Front-line warriors." You know, just like the Waffen SS.

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Earth in Mind: On Education, Environment, and the Human Prospect, by David Orr

In Earth in Mind, Orr focuses not on problems in education, but on the problem of education. Much of what has gone wrong with the world, he argues, is the result of inadequate and misdirected education that alienates us from life in the name of human domination; causes students to worry about how to make a living before they know who they are; overemphasizes success and careers; separates feeling from intellect and the practical from the theoretical and deadens the sense of wonder for the created world.

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Our Stolen Future: Are We Threatening Our Fertility, Intelligence, and Survival? by Theo Colborn and Dianne Dumanoski

"A critically important book that forces us to ask new questions about the synthetic chemicals that we have spread across this earth."—former vice president Al Gore, author of An Inconvenient Truth

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Slow Death by Rubber Duck: The Secret Danger of Everyday Things, by Rick Smith and Bruce Lourie

This is one scary book. Using a variety of test methods, the authors determined individual “body burdens,” or the toxic chemical load we carry. The innocuous rubber duck, for example, offers a poison soup of phthalates that “permeate the environment and humans.”
...
If readers don’t change their ways after reading this one, then they never will.

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Plan B 2.0: Rescuing a Planet Under Stress and a Civilization in Trouble, by Lester Brown

Earth Policy Institute president Brown (Who Will Feed China?) surveys the worldwide environmental devastation wrought by breakneck industrialization and the heedless, auto-centric, "throwaway economy": oil and water shortages, pollution, deforestation, soil erosion, desertification, collapsing fisheries, mass extinctions, looming famine and pestilence-and he hasn't even gotten to global warming yet.

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I guess I just might as well open my veins now.

The problem is that this pernicious nonsense is now being taught under the aegis of science, when it is in fact no such thing. It is an example of what David Burge (IIRC) has aptly characterized as the left killing a respected institution, wearing its skin, and demanding respect. The question is: how to combat this?

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1 Buncha no-noodniks

Posted by: Miklos2020! at October 17, 2020 07:20 PM (QzkSJ)

2 Evening Horde

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at October 17, 2020 07:21 PM (8C7+r)

3 All science must include Brawndo or it ain't science.

Posted by: Weaning is hard at October 17, 2020 07:21 PM (2DOZq)

4 Excellent summation, Deplorable Jay Guevara.

If Science™.was still followed, we could take their hypothesis and compare it with data. This is killing a beautiful theory with a ugly fact.

We can definitely do this with all of Scientism. But it does not work. Because the experts (pbut) disallow it.

Got some ideas, though.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 17, 2020 07:22 PM (u82oZ)

5 So, engineering studies is about studying engineers in their natural habitat?

Like meetings?

Posted by: Cybersmythe at October 17, 2020 07:22 PM (qDSku)

6 This seems like a lot of content for someone into their second gin gimlet. Or first, for that matter.

Posted by: Swingin' for the downs at October 17, 2020 07:22 PM (umQHI)

7 Not just science is corrupted. Law enforcement is too.

Pardon us for telling the truth.

It won't happen again. PROMISE

Posted by: Top Men at the FBI at October 17, 2020 07:23 PM (pw+jk)

8 The Science is settled!
We have the conclusion we set out for, so, close down the lab.

Posted by: attilla the unreasonable at October 17, 2020 07:24 PM (w7KSn)

9 Rookie option. Read the content first.

Posted by: Traveling Man Who's Stuck At Home. Thanks China &&&& at October 17, 2020 07:24 PM (R5lpX)

10 Its going to take awhile to get through all that content

Posted by: Skip at October 17, 2020 07:25 PM (OjZpE)

11 The question is: how to combat this?

Do like Hungary did and abolish all "studies" departments at their universities. The government declared that "studies" programs were not education at all but a waste of time and resources and therefore illegitimate in a academic setting. And that is precisely what they are - navel gazing elevated to fake 'respectability".

Posted by: LGoPs at October 17, 2020 07:25 PM (/a3Ep)

12 This post feels awfully similar to Math.

Posted by: Weaning is hard at October 17, 2020 07:25 PM (2DOZq)

13 hiya

Posted by: JT at October 17, 2020 07:25 PM (arJlL)

14 Surprised they didn't have the seminal book from Rachel Carson.

Posted by: Traveling Man Who's Stuck At Home. Thanks China &&&& at October 17, 2020 07:26 PM (R5lpX)

15 I guess I just might as well open my veins now.

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Science says: down the road, not across the street

(kidding!)

Posted by: vmom 2020 - Grow Up and Vote for Trump by Eddie Scarry at October 17, 2020 07:26 PM (nUhF0)

16 You combat it with massive governmental regulation of education.

Which we don't want.

It's a conundrum.

How do I get rid of the loony leftists fouling up the education system at a local level without the massive weight of the government forcing out the political bullshit and demanding, under penalty of banishment, that they stick to the basics?

It becomes government sponsored education, which in the wrong hands is exactly how we got where we are today.

Like I said, conundrum.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 17, 2020 07:26 PM (3aLWR)

17 I guess in the top pic, there gonna pull a fish outta that guy's chest ?

Posted by: JT at October 17, 2020 07:26 PM (arJlL)

18 in an academic setting...

Posted by: LGoPs at October 17, 2020 07:26 PM (/a3Ep)

19 Science Isn't Dead, But It Is Ailing - Part 2



I never saw Part 1. Is it a good movie?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 17, 2020 07:26 PM (aE9+c)

20 I fucking love SCIENCE!!

Posted by: Dark Helmet at October 17, 2020 07:27 PM (Oka5v)

21 5 So, engineering studies is about studying engineers in their natural habitat?

Like meetings?
Posted by: Cybersmythe at October 17, 2020 07:22 PM (qDSku)

Playing Spades in the cafeteria.

Posted by: Fox2! at October 17, 2020 07:27 PM (qyH+l)

22 Silent Spring by Rachel Carson.

>>Spit!<<

Posted by: Traveling Man Who's Stuck At Home. Thanks China &&&& at October 17, 2020 07:27 PM (R5lpX)

23 Open Blogger seems pretty schmart.

Posted by: fly at October 17, 2020 07:28 PM (TA9CI)

24 Nice post, Jay Guevara !

Posted by: JT at October 17, 2020 07:28 PM (arJlL)

25 You combat it with massive governmental regulation of education.



Which we don't want.



It's a conundrum.


Just do away with government funding of higher education. Make the student explain to a bank loan officer how he/she is going to repay the loan with a "studies" degree that qualifies him to make coffee and nothing more.

Posted by: LGoPs at October 17, 2020 07:28 PM (/a3Ep)

26 First, no real scientist is allowed near students. Ask me how I know.

1) I set up a booth at the county fair with my conservative peeps. Debated some students and a prof. Sow a seed of doubt.

2) Send a pointed letter to a senior politician on the funding side with "why this is failing" and you spent money on this, but the outcome was different. Stop funding failure.

3) Homeschool.

4) Going to school boards is useless, so we need stealth candidates. Elect locally, and clear. I coached one guy, who only lost by a 1,000 votes.

5) Run for office yourself. I almost got run for a Board of Trustees at the state level. Almost. I attended that meeting, and said no, because ... my wife.

6) Competition that succeeds wins over public failure.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 17, 2020 07:28 PM (u82oZ)

27 The university I received my BS and MS from is or at least was the number 4 engineering university in the USA. My graduating class in mechanical engineering was 32.
About 5 years ago i rented a house to a bunch of engineering students, well 4 of them. They were all studying environmental engineering. So I looked up the graduating class of the year before.

Environmental engineers graduating were more than all the EEs, MEs, CEs, and NEs combined.

That was when I knew we were all fucked in the asshoe... and hard.. and long. This will not end well.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at October 17, 2020 07:29 PM (pw+jk)

28 Any line of teaching that uses the word "studies" in it is nothing but bullshit. We used to call it underwater basket weaving when I was in high school.

Posted by: LGoPs at October 17, 2020 07:30 PM (/a3Ep)

29 I finished a Ph.D. (not Ed.D.) at Karl Marx University in Budapest in 1988.

There were no Marxists at Karl Marx U.


Everybody had lived it, learned it, and despised the whole kit and crap-kaboodle.


In the Obama Years, friends there joked that with a doctorate from Karl Marx U., I should be at least a Cabinet Secretary in D.C.

Well, it was kind of a joke.

Posted by: Miklos, anti-Marxist-Leninst at October 17, 2020 07:30 PM (QzkSJ)

30 I noticed the leftist BS creeping into hard science textbooks years ago. They cannot help themselves. Stripped of the pseudo-intellectual quackery, it is always geared towards a wholesale reduction in our standard of living, while other countries around the world labor under no such handicaps or delusions. Since that time it has accelerated and pervades everything right through K12 and preschool. Orwell and Goebbels would blush at the levels of gaslighting and propaganda.

India has 5th graders taking Calculus, while American 5th graders don't know what bathroom to use. This isn't by accident. Think about that the next time some ass hat "educator" talks about the global economy and how our kids need a world class education.

Posted by: Common Tater at October 17, 2020 07:31 PM (QEgj7)

31 eliminate public education

Posted by: vmom 2020 - Grow Up and Vote for Trump by Eddie Scarry at October 17, 2020 07:31 PM (nUhF0)

32 This philosophy got us the 737 MAX deadly design.

Posted by: Weaning is hard at October 17, 2020 07:32 PM (2DOZq)

33 Environmental engineers will destroy dams, not build them.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 17, 2020 07:32 PM (3aLWR)

34 Last time I was a student, the company that ran the recovery boats for shuttle Solid Rocket Boosters (SRBs) was looking to hire any form of engineers - except Ocean. Which was a real major at my Florida east coast university.

Posted by: Fox2! at October 17, 2020 07:33 PM (qyH+l)

35 Do like Hungary did and abolish all "studies" departments at their universities.



I like the way Hungary does academic scholarships/financial aid.

Would be an improvement here.

Posted by: Miklos, member of no alumni associations at October 17, 2020 07:33 PM (QzkSJ)

36 Real engineers make good times.
Good times make environmental engineers.

Environmental engineers make bad times.
Bad times make real engineers.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at October 17, 2020 07:34 PM (pw+jk)

37 >>Nice post, Jay Guevara !

Not buying it. The anus is on Open Blogger to identify hisself.

Posted by: Dewey Crowe at October 17, 2020 07:34 PM (TA9CI)

38 This philosophy got us the 737 MAX deadly design.
Posted by: Weaning is hard at October 17, 2020 07:32 PM

Meritocracy has become a dirty word. It has been drilled into students for years now that to highlight the best and brightest is to be judgmental and discriminatory. Racist, too!

Posted by: one of the quiet ones at October 17, 2020 07:34 PM (3GzTP)

39 >>> 14 Surprised they didn't have the seminal book from Rachel Carson.
Posted by: Traveling Man Who's Stuck At Home. Thanks China &&&& at October 17, 2020 07:26 PM (R5lpX)

Too outdated. We must continually renew, Comrade!

Posted by: This... is XiNN at October 17, 2020 07:35 PM (/kh7m)

40 I really enjoyed reading Slow Death by Rubber Duck. My take on it was that the authors were insane. I didn't change a thing or recommend changes to my patients.

Posted by: lurking grandma at October 17, 2020 07:35 PM (sujqA)

41 Common Tater

I mentioned India has 5th graders taking Calculus, to two of the school board members I know.

Curriculum comes from the state.


The net result is a failed nation, vulnerable to every foreign power. I need to find out if revolutions void pension requirements. We need the teachers to fight for a US of A that pays their pensions.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 17, 2020 07:35 PM (u82oZ)

42 10 and I did. Example 2,763 why schools are nothing but Leftist Seminaries teaching Leftist theology

Posted by: Skip at October 17, 2020 07:36 PM (OjZpE)

43 Meritocracy has become a dirty word. It has been drilled into students for years now that to highlight the best and brightest is to be judgmental and discriminatory. Racist, too!
Posted by: one of the quiet ones at October 17, 2020 07:34 PM (3GzTP)

---

Military is on the way there already.

War-fighting is less important than climate change and diversity.

Posted by: SMH at October 17, 2020 07:36 PM (RU4sa)

44 Mother Nature is gay. Accept it, h8rs, that's settled science talking.

Posted by: People whose vote counts as much or more than yours at October 17, 2020 07:37 PM (ldmQR)

45 The question is: how to combat this?
And that is precisely what they are - navel gazing elevated to fake 'respectability".
Posted by: LGoPs

When I look at what the colleges and universities are bludgeoning their enrolled students I think they are 'combating this' all on their own.

Lots of reported layoffs on many campuses...
The EO from Trump eliminating CRF sure did in all the *scholars* who have majored in it.
Please play the worlds smallest violin for them, twice.

Posted by: AZ deplorably isolated at October 17, 2020 07:38 PM (gtatv)

46 Wheels down in Janesville.

Posted by: dartist at October 17, 2020 07:38 PM (+ya+t)

47 BURN....IT....DOWN

Period!!

Posted by: Adam at October 17, 2020 07:38 PM (ejB9w)

48 On a positive note , we will always have Redneck Engineers. And not just 12,000 btu window a/c attached to a car. The two youngest people to build a nuclear reactor are from southern states. Arkansa and Kentucky I think. Not sure about Kentucky. If only there was a system where I could look it up.

Posted by: Weaning is hard at October 17, 2020 07:38 PM (2DOZq)

49 Ted Nugent doing the Anthem for Trump MI rally. Hope you caught it

Posted by: Piratepatch at October 17, 2020 07:39 PM (2Xrky)

50 A Civil Action, by Jonathan Harr

"A Civil Action reads like one long advertisement for a few well-placed Molotov cocktails."

OK then.


That was made into a movie released in 1998 with John Travolta and Robert Duvall.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at October 17, 2020 07:40 PM (Do5/p)

51 Nice post, Jay Guevara !

Not buying it. The anus is on Open Blogger to identify hisself.
Posted by: Dewey Crowe

I can't identify his anus.

Nor, do I want to.

Posted by: JT at October 17, 2020 07:40 PM (arJlL)

52 Ugh, that ER photo. You can see the real tension. At that moment, there are "heroes" at the hospital, then and only then. The dancing Covid buffoons - no.

Posted by: Dutch Oven at October 17, 2020 07:40 PM (1KASf)

53 37 >>Nice post, Jay Guevara !

Not buying it. The anus is on Open Blogger to identify hisself.
Posted by: Dewey Crowe at October 17, 2020 07:34 PM (TA9CI)


Son, you need a dictionary.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 17, 2020 07:41 PM (3aLWR)

54 I am a union steamfitter. Our union has given our phone numbers to organizations like this. This is a text I received today. Read into it what you will.

"Hi JROD, it's Trevor with MoveOn. New data shows that Donald Trump is using Youtube to gain an under-the-radar advantage in the election. As people stay home and stream videos more than ever, Youtube may play an even more influential role than Facebook.
To defeat Trump, we must counter his Youtube advantage. Will you chip in $3 a week to help MoveOn create videos and use advanced analytics to precision-target high potential voters in 17 battleground states?"

Maybe an inside look at what their thinking and what their internal polls are showing(?)

Posted by: JROD at October 17, 2020 07:41 PM (0jZnq)

55 How is this under 100 posts still?

Posted by: Piratepatch at October 17, 2020 07:42 PM (2Xrky)

56 Nice post, Jay Guevara !

Not buying it. The anus is on Open Blogger to identify hisself.
Posted by: Dewey Crowe at October 17, 2020 07:34 PM (TA9CI)


Son, you need a dictionary.
Posted by: AlaBAMA

Anatomy book ?

Posted by: JT at October 17, 2020 07:42 PM (arJlL)

57
Son, you need a dictionary.
Posted by: AlaBAMA

Anatomy book ?
Posted by: JT at October 17, 2020 07:42 PM (arJlL


One would make it clear. The other would offer alternatives.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 17, 2020 07:42 PM (3aLWR)

58 Ted Nugent doing the Anthem for Trump MI rally. Hope you caught it
Posted by: Piratepatch at October 17, 2020 07:39 PM (2Xrky)

Today going down the Belt Parkway in Brooklyn to see the MIL, four monster Trump pickups in a row with huge Trump 2020 and American flags flying on the back - and everyone honking at them and waving...in fucking Brooklyn. Unbelievable.

Posted by: Boswell at October 17, 2020 07:43 PM (w2LAm)

59 I enjoyed this Jay. I feel it was a bit more focused than your last one. Easier to digest.

On your way to the AoS Open Blogger big leagues!

Posted by: ... at October 17, 2020 07:43 PM (uEbPt)

60 Posted by: Lol lol at October 17, 2020 07:40 PM (uVZAk)

Joe Biden can't name his grandkids and thought FDR went on TV to calm the people after the stock market crash. To be fair you probably thought that was correct. Witless retard.

Posted by: Weaning is hard at October 17, 2020 07:43 PM (2DOZq)

61 Sanitized science. For the gurrrlz. Sorry, that's what I see. In 30 years if I'm still alive I'll be looked at as a savage for not wanting to drive or walk across a bridge designed and built by gurrrlz. With no math, physics or mechanical education.

Goes for the boyez too. But, really, they're gurrrlz in drag.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 17, 2020 07:43 PM (3H9h1)

62 The Scary Book I recall was "The Fate of the Earth" by Jonathan Schell.

Reagan and Nuclear Winter

Posted by: Miklos, vaguely recalling at October 17, 2020 07:43 PM (QzkSJ)

63 How is this under 100 posts still?
Posted by: Piratepatch

Folks are waiting for the fish to start biting.

Posted by: JT at October 17, 2020 07:43 PM (arJlL)

64 How is this under 100 posts still?
Posted by: Piratepatch at October 17, 2020 07:42 PM (2Xrky)

People are still reading the content.

Posted by: Weaning is hard at October 17, 2020 07:44 PM (2DOZq)

65 Posted by: Dewey Crowe at October 17, 2020 07:34 PM (TA9CI)

No one ever gets thrown off of ace for self pleasure.

Posted by: ... at October 17, 2020 07:44 PM (uEbPt)

66 Sorry for the cynicism.

How do you combat this? You don't. In a post-Englightenment society you shouldn't NEED to...it's a self-correcting problem. People need to have a drive to know truth. Without that drive, we are back to the Dark Ages.

Consider Wuhan Flu. Consider how many people just uncritically started doing whatever they were told, regardless of whether it made sense or not. Consider how many people still do so.

Without a respect for truth and critical thinking, science will turn into nothing more than mysticism.

Posted by: WitchDoktor at October 17, 2020 07:44 PM (Thki8)

67 Remind me again.Does Science say a mask protects me from everyone else, or does the mask protect everyone else from me?

Posted by: f'd at October 17, 2020 07:45 PM (Rx3dp)

68 Ted Nugent doing the Anthem for Trump MI rally. Hope you caught it
Posted by: Piratepatch


Joe will have Cuties twerking.

Take that, h8rz

Posted by: Dr. DOCTOR Jill Biden at October 17, 2020 07:46 PM (QzkSJ)

69 Lockdown science is on its way out, even Sundowner in his town hall said it's not necessary as long as masks are worn by everyone.
Not to long, by Nov 4 it should be gone

Posted by: Skip at October 17, 2020 07:47 PM (OjZpE)

70 Fire good.
Uh, no, wait...
Fire BAD!
Hmm, except when good.

Posted by: Attila the unready at October 17, 2020 07:47 PM (w7KSn)

71 On your way to the AoS Open Blogger big leagues!
Posted by: ...


Bigly!

Posted by: Miklos with proper Queens enunciation at October 17, 2020 07:48 PM (QzkSJ)

72 Obama going to Philly for Biden on Wednesday.

Because Biden is up by double digits.

Posted by: jsg at October 17, 2020 07:48 PM (kZ8fN)

73 Jonathan, Jonathan, Jonathan, Jonathan

Posted by: Skip at October 17, 2020 07:48 PM (OjZpE)

74 Best fishing is with Pole. Those guys are fun.

Posted by: f'd at October 17, 2020 07:49 PM (Rx3dp)

75 49
Ted Nugent doing the Anthem for Trump MI rally. Hope you caught it

Link? All I could find was one from a 2016 rally.

Posted by: dartist at October 17, 2020 07:49 PM (+ya+t)

76 I'm an ME. In my professional life I have not met a very competent lady engineer. Not sexist, just the way it is. As an outside consultant, I made a few lady project engineers cry as I told them and upper management why, where, and what they should have easily caught in their projects. Did I give a fuck? NO. I collected my fee.... sometimes fixed their projects in a couple of months.


That was a good time ago. Now I probably would be canceled. Amazing what can happen in just 12-15 years.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at October 17, 2020 07:49 PM (pw+jk)

77 Deplorable Jay and Muldoon bringing the science.

Posted by: Ben Had at October 17, 2020 07:50 PM (oSQM4)

78 Folks are waiting for the fish to start biting.


No fishies. Fishies are on sabbatical.

Posted by: Bamdersnatch at October 17, 2020 07:50 PM (q2K0j)

79 Without a respect for truth and critical thinking, science will turn into nothing more than mysticism.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at October 17, 2020 07:44 PM (Thki
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You're saying people have lost the ability to question the premise upon which so many artifices have been built?

You, sir, are both a h8tr and denier.

And don't deny it!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at October 17, 2020 07:50 PM (WEBkv)

80 Best fishing is with Pole. Those guys are fun.
Posted by: f'd

They drink alla beer.

Posted by: JT at October 17, 2020 07:50 PM (arJlL)

81 Ted Nugent doing the Anthem for Trump MI rally. Hope you caught it

Link? All I could find was one from a 2016 rally.
Posted by: dartist


May not be up yet. Just happened during the last thread.

Posted by: Miklos seen it hisself at October 17, 2020 07:50 PM (QzkSJ)

82 Masks are a talisman. They do nothing with how they are presently used. Even if used properly, they do not protect you from a virus and minimally prevent you from spreading it. They are intended more to prevent the spread of bacterial material.

Posted by: Weaning is hard at October 17, 2020 07:51 PM (2DOZq)

83 this is way too high brow for me, I'll go back to the unibrow.

Posted by: Jorge Santana at October 17, 2020 07:51 PM (sM7TV)

84 Tim Poole has a nice video up on the early voting data so far.

TLDR, Biden is not doing well.

Trump is apparently winning in Florida so far and his voter registration numbers are well ahead the Dems, which hasn't happened in decades.

It's pointing to Dems blowing their loads early, since turnout voting day will be massively in the R column. If they are tied now or R is ahead, Nov will be ugly.

Give it another week and I'll bet the media starts to sound quite somber.

Probably shift towards 'let's burn everything down' mode.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 17, 2020 07:52 PM (3aLWR)

85 Obama will be as successful in capturing PA for Biden as he was in bringing the Olympics to Chicago. He's a fucking loser who loses.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at October 17, 2020 07:52 PM (H5knJ)

86 The problem with opposing it is decertification. Literally, martrys are needed.

Posted by: Caliban at October 17, 2020 07:52 PM (QE8X6)

87 You will not catch WuFlu if you're in a place at 25% capacity before 9:00 PM. Science. 25% capacity doesn't pay the bills. Crusty old accountant.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at October 17, 2020 07:52 PM (I58tH)

88 China sourced shenanigans will wake up the wake-uppable soon. Not to be confused with the "woke" who ever the hell they are.

Posted by: klaftern at October 17, 2020 07:52 PM (RuIsu)

89 Dave Rubin...on Santa Monica & Beverly Dr....

At a rally....

Video: https://tinyurl.com/yyyypzec

Posted by: Tami at October 17, 2020 07:52 PM (cF8AT)

90 China sourced shenanigans will wake up the wake-uppable soon. Not to be confused with the "woke" who ever the hell they are.
Posted by: klaftern

They're the ones who think there's 57 genders......

Posted by: JT at October 17, 2020 07:54 PM (arJlL)

91 Sup, y'all?

I saw AF1 departing Washington airspace a couple of hours ago and now waiting online to see it pull up on the ramp in Wisconsin!

Posted by: Weasel at October 17, 2020 07:54 PM (MVjcR)

92 All the commercials say you should wear masks to protect others.
Getting real tired of them

Posted by: Skip at October 17, 2020 07:54 PM (OjZpE)

93 I believe humans passing gas is essential in the balance of ecology, meaning the sustainability of mankind. I fart whenever, and where ever I can.

Posted by: Boo Radley at October 17, 2020 07:55 PM (VlZwl)

94 I declare science is dead until I get my flying car.

Posted by: Weaning is hard at October 17, 2020 07:55 PM (2DOZq)

95 You will not catch WuFlu if you're in a place at 25% capacity before 9:00 PM. Science. 25% capacity doesn't pay the bills. Crusty old accountant.
Posted by: bill in arkansas at October 17, 2020 07:52 PM (I58tH)

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Yeah, politicians think customers are like water in a tap and a restaurant can just open the tap up a bit for more customers.

Uh, no, restaurants need their rushes, morning, afternoon, or, evening, depending on the demographic served.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at October 17, 2020 07:55 PM (WEBkv)

96 Willowed from previous thread (re. possible SoCalMoMe):

500
middle of the desert, here.




Posted by: Anachronda at October 17, 2020 07:13 PM (5br8a)

I believe I am your neighbor (sort of).
Weldon


Posted by: DooDad at October 17, 2020 07:52 PM (SnLSx)

Posted by: DooDad at October 17, 2020 07:55 PM (SnLSx)

97 No room on that list for Environmental Overkill: What Ever Happened to Common Sense then?

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 17, 2020 07:55 PM (p3tmI)

98 Our country is going to fall apart (literally) because engineering is being offshored to the woke, stupid, and unfit.

Dark ages are 'a coming.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 17, 2020 07:56 PM (3H9h1)

99 62 Sanitized science. For the gurrrlz. Sorry, that's what I see. In 30 years if I'm still alive I'll be looked at as a savage for not wanting to drive or walk across a bridge designed and built by gurrrlz. With no math, physics or mechanical education.

Goes for the boyez too. But, really, they're gurrrlz in drag.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 17, 2020 07:43 PM (3H9h1)

You already are walking and driving over them. I know a gurrrlz bridge engineer (she manages large bridge construction projects in the US and Canada for a major firm) who has also taught physics classes at a university. She like unicorns and sailing (racing).

Posted by: starboardhelm at October 17, 2020 07:56 PM (yy4fX)

100 Lo, weasel.

Email sent your way.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at October 17, 2020 07:56 PM (WEBkv)

101 I read that Britain banned hookups because of COVID. No nooky for you!

2020.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 17, 2020 07:56 PM (3aLWR)

102 How did he get to Wisconsin already? F-15 twin seater?

Posted by: Skip at October 17, 2020 07:56 PM (OjZpE)

103 In my AP Spanish class in high school we read Don Quixote in the original Spanish, discussed and wrote papers in Spanish. Then we took three different English translations and compared/contrasted how the translations changed our views within different stories in the novel.

College kids can't do that.

Graduate students think about it.

The solution is for people to stop using the public school system. Figure it out. If you can't afford to educate, feed or care for kids, perhaps you should use birth control.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at October 17, 2020 07:56 PM (U2p+3)

104 My first year teaching high school was as an AP teacher. All AP courses are designed to give the student the information required by the test. Those are designed by the College Board. Which has been in the pocket of the CCP for quite a while now. Purge the Board, replace them with actual scholars, and things might improve.

Might.

Posted by: Jrgunn77 at October 17, 2020 07:57 PM (adx8h)

105 All the hysteria from the media in AZ and WI claiming an increase in covid cases in both states is going to backfire on the dems. Who is most likely to stay home and who is most likely to go out and vote? Especially when the virus has a very high survivability rate.

Posted by: Floridachick at October 17, 2020 07:57 PM (+Obdm)

106 If a normal person can converse with an alleged engineer without banging his/her head against the closest hard surface, that alleged engineer is no such thing.

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- current occupation: cat furniture at October 17, 2020 07:57 PM (yHHWj)

107 Scientific Method, distinct from the more general and nebulous Scientific Process.

The latter produces the garbage called Political Science and the hysteria behind the left's Climate opinions. Opinions and nothing more.

Posted by: Dutch Oven at October 17, 2020 07:57 PM (qba2F)

108
Email sent your way.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at October 17, 2020 07:56 PM (WEBkv)
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Got it! Nice! Thanks!

Posted by: Weasel at October 17, 2020 07:57 PM (MVjcR)

109 I was at the in laws where we wear masks as they are in the older vulnerable demographic. Anyway, I had a little taste of coffee infused rum. With my mask on, I could smell the drink. Now what are the relative sizes of the wuhan virus and the volatile molecules in a rum drink?

Posted by: InCali at October 17, 2020 07:58 PM (9AFWN)

110 I believe I am your neighbor (sort of).
Weldon


Posted by: DooDad at October 17, 2020 07:52 PM (SnLSx)
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Just down the road from you,

Bakersfield.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at October 17, 2020 07:58 PM (WEBkv)

111 Heard it didn't see the high school dance and kids were dancing back to back. It was in another country somewhere but forgot.
Portugal maybe

Posted by: Skip at October 17, 2020 07:58 PM (OjZpE)

112 If a normal person can converse with an alleged engineer without banging his/her head against the closest hard surface, that alleged engineer is no such thing.

- -

That isn't a "bolt." It's a hexaform rotational surface compression unit.

Posted by: WitchDoktor at October 17, 2020 07:58 PM (Thki8)

113 Watching The Plot Against the President

Went through the hoops to get Vimeo On Demand.

These fuckers should be in jail.

They are not.

And they won't.

This is infuriating.

Posted by: blaster at October 17, 2020 07:58 PM (ZfRYq)

114
How did he get to Wisconsin already? F-15 twin seater?

Posted by: Skip at October 17, 2020 07:56 PM


forty-ish minute hop from Muskegon, Michigan

maybe less

Posted by: AltonJackson at October 17, 2020 07:58 PM (tj1pY)

115 So a riot broke out today in Ithaca NY, well, to hear the press tell it...among white supremacists (in NY!) and peaceful counter protesters.

It really seems that Trump supporters were attacked by BLM/Antifa (and it is impossible at this point to distinquish between the two) who were bused down from Rochester...

Ithaca is home to Ithaca College and Cornell - probably the two most liberal colleges on Earth...yet very few from each school showed up here - because they are in lock down and doing remote learning and aren't even there. Thus the need to do the busing down of Antifa from Buffalo...the liberal colleges can't participate in these protesting idiocies all thanks to Cuomo...ooooh the irony.

Posted by: Boswell at October 17, 2020 07:58 PM (w2LAm)

116 Got it! Nice! Thanks!
Posted by: Weasel at October 17, 2020 07:57 PM (MVjcR)
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Groovy.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at October 17, 2020 07:59 PM (WEBkv)

117 >>How did he get to Wisconsin already? F-15 twin seater?

Lake Michigan is only about 100 miles across.

Posted by: fly at October 17, 2020 07:59 PM (TA9CI)

118 103 How did he get to Wisconsin already? F-15 twin seater?
Posted by: Skip at October 17, 2020 07:56 PM (OjZpE)
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It was maybe 5:30 eastern. I didn't look at my watch but maybe 2.5 - 3 hours ago. It was the 757, not the big 747.

Posted by: Weasel at October 17, 2020 08:00 PM (MVjcR)

119 Trump onstage in Janesville.

Said he was having a beautiful hair day, then was told about the 40 mph winds LOL, he said I'll wear my hat!

Posted by: My life is insanity at October 17, 2020 08:00 PM (Z/jzm)

120 Just down the road from you,



Bakersfield.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at October 17, 2020 07:58 PM (WEBkv)

Wow...we ARE neighbors!

Posted by: DooDad at October 17, 2020 08:01 PM (SnLSx)

121 engineering "studies"

@@@

I'm a Chem E and it seems like this co-opting goes in waves. In the 90's it was very fashionable to sprinkle "engineer" onto lowly job titles like Sanitation Engineer for a guy that keeps the local hardware store clean. The licensed PE boards go nuts and some places like NC laws are passed about who can call themselves an engineer.

Posted by: Piratepatch at October 17, 2020 08:01 PM (2Xrky)

122 I see we have quite the charmer at 121.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at October 17, 2020 08:01 PM (WEBkv)

123 The left took over science years ago.
Remember the book Silent Spring?
Remember Global Warming?
Things rooted in science the left said.
But the left lied. And these things cost lives
and jobs. Our economy ground to a halt and
everyday things cost more. They do this
because they can and show their power
over us with the help of the media I should
add. The media screams lies and causes
panic. They know what they are doing.

Posted by: Case at October 17, 2020 08:01 PM (vSGuy)

124 Science takes money and money makes science. Where doe the money come from? You

Posted by: Ben Had at October 17, 2020 08:01 PM (oSQM4)

125 I think Michigan got over at 6:30 , back in plane, takeoff, flight, landing speaking in Wisconsin at 8pm

Posted by: Skip at October 17, 2020 08:02 PM (OjZpE)

126 Scientific method as we know it was the result of people who believed that objective truth existed and could be discovered. The kind of people who said that 2+2=4. So when they ran into findings that contradicted their hypotheses, it was the indicator to keep testing and re-evaluate the hypothesis, not yell that the results were racist.

I think there is also more fake but accurate magical thinking now, it's become more of a set of beliefs and dogma, complete with heretics, priests and indulgences. The superstitions and talismans are also much in evidence.

Teach your kids, and any with whom you have influence, to think and learn how to ask/identify questions that dismantle the whole thing. I have had three go through public high school, and we had constant conversations. The youngest was pretty sure her teachers hated her because she would ask an innocuous question that would trigger lightbulbs in the other students, and then they would pile on. Kids like to rebel, don't you know!

They are now working with teens in our church youth group, and ever so gently and gradually dismantling the insanity so many have been sold.

Posted by: Momladyx5 at October 17, 2020 08:03 PM (gaFb+)

127 Read about the no nookies in the UK. Now Diblabbio has decided no wedding for orthodox jews in NYC.

Stocking up on popcorn...

Posted by: Floridachick at October 17, 2020 08:03 PM (+Obdm)

128 If Covid doesn't get you Round Up or Talcum powder will.

Posted by: Weaning is hard at October 17, 2020 08:03 PM (2DOZq)

129 Remind me again.Does Science say a mask protects me from everyone else, or does the mask protect everyone else from me?
Posted by: f'd

Both and neither. It both sucks and blows.

But common sense tells me an invariably dirty strip of fabric that traps bacteria from yer own yap and food and drink residue, and plucks and traps germs from others out of the air, then lets you inhale this delicious petri dish cocktail all effing day long, is not protective in any way. And never mind the psycological, social, and political ill effects of being forced to submit to the dehumanizing mask.

Posted by: Drink Like Vikings at October 17, 2020 08:03 PM (cdm0u)

130 Tired of wearing masks because the would-be Commie Overloads like Gretchen say you must?

Five Finger Death Punch - Living the Dream
https://youtu.be/eOkkWIOkWl8

Gretchen has to be the one in the video, just with a bleach job.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 17, 2020 08:03 PM (p3tmI)

131 Global Warming and the Polar bear demise started that.

Posted by: Skip at October 17, 2020 08:03 PM (OjZpE)

132 All the hysteria from the media in AZ ...

*****

Just wish our squish governor wasn't so easily directed by that hysteria. Similar to McCain, it seems Deucey *needs* to be loved by the media. He talked a good game back in March-April,but soon joined in with the "Mask-Up AZ" stupidity.

Posted by: Dutch Oven at October 17, 2020 08:04 PM (iXzGa)

133 Remind me again.Does Science say a mask protects me from everyone else, or does the mask protect everyone else from me?
Posted by: f'd

Both and neither. It both sucks and blows.

- -

Schrodinger's Facemask.

Posted by: WitchDoktor at October 17, 2020 08:04 PM (Thki8)

134 That 'we just want to be left alone in our bedrooms' sure was one big whopper. Wonder what they really wanted? That's right, you know.

Posted by: Eromero at October 17, 2020 08:04 PM (XhWtx)

135 Biden says Gretchen Whitmer is the best Governor in America.


There goes Michigan...

Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 17, 2020 08:05 PM (3aLWR)

136 If Covid doesn't get you Round Up or Talcum powder will.
Posted by: Weaning is hard at October 17, 2020 08:03 PM (2DOZq)


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If you weren't first buggered by a Boy Scout leader.

(My wife and I both loathe those commercials about settlements for being molested while in the Boy Scouts, because we both remember when the Boy Scouts were sued and had to allow homosexual scout masters)

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at October 17, 2020 08:05 PM (WEBkv)

137 Momladyx5, That's the way to get it done.

Your kids are our future.

Posted by: Ben Had at October 17, 2020 08:05 PM (oSQM4)

138 80 Without a respect for truth and critical thinking, science will turn into nothing more than mysticism.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at October 17, 2020 07:44 PM (Thki
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You're saying people have lost the ability to question the premise upon which so many artifices have been built?

You, sir, are both a h8tr and denier.

And don't deny it!
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at October 17, 2020 07:50 PM (WEBkv)
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Part of the problem is philosophical, and has been long coming. To the extent that scientists (even the real kind) believe in some sort of objective truth, they usually do so in the watered down form of pragmatism. The test of whether something is true is "whether it works".

The problem is the meaning of "works", and unsound philosophers (e.g., Rorty) have seen that that really amounts to "what is good for us to believe." IOW, "we like the results." From there, any result one finds undesirable, can be discarded for one which one wishes to be true.

Note that C S Lewis saw this in the 1940s.

Posted by: Eeyore at October 17, 2020 08:06 PM (7X3UV)

139 129 Read about the no nookies in the UK. Now Diblabbio has decided no wedding for orthodox jews in NYC.

Stocking up on popcorn...
Posted by: Floridachick at October 17, 2020 08:03 PM (+Obdm)


Won't be long now until internment camps.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 17, 2020 08:07 PM (3aLWR)

140 That isn't a "bolt." It's a hexaform rotational surface compression unit.

Posted by: WitchDoktor at October 17, 2020 07:58 PM


Don't be silly. It's actually a hex head machine screw.

Posted by: Cybersmythe at October 17, 2020 08:07 PM (qDSku)

141 Vets, cops and cuties behind Trump tonight.

Posted by: dartist at October 17, 2020 08:07 PM (+ya+t)

142 Global Warming and the Polar bear demise started that.
Posted by: Skip

Remember the Far Side cartoon with 2 polar bears standing outside the igloo ?

"I love theses things; crunchy on the outside with a chewy center"

Posted by: JT at October 17, 2020 08:07 PM (arJlL)

143 Biden commercial. Joe reaching across the aisle. And there it is, slobbering with Johnny McCain, noted aviator. Wouldn't surprise me if the Arizona beer baroness has some legacy bucks coming in from Biden, Inc.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at October 17, 2020 08:08 PM (I58tH)

144 who dance in the nude in the moonlight chanting over a dead cat....

you say that as if its a bad thing.

Posted by: FretlessT at October 17, 2020 08:08 PM (uDTP4)

145 Not a movie thread but:

Rhonda Fleming, a classic film star once known as the "Queen of Technicolor," has died at 97.

A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court, opposite Bing Crosby. She was also well-known for her presence in film noir, particularly as the scheming Meta Carson in 1947's Out of the Past." data-reactid="21">Celebrated
for her vibrant red hair and green eyes, Fleming was beloved by
audiences for her presence in Technicolor movies, most notably 1949's A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court,
opposite Bing Crosby. She was also well-known for her presence in film
noir, particularly as the scheming Meta Carson in 1947's Out of the Past.A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court, opposite Bing Crosby. She was also well-known for her presence in film noir, particularly as the scheming Meta Carson in 1947's Out of the Past." data-reactid="21">
Alfred Hitchcock's Spellbound, in which she played a nymphomaniac in a mental institution. She later joked about how she had to look up what the word nymphomaniacÂnbsp;meant and was shocked to discover the definition." data-reactid="22">Fleming had her first substantial role in Alfred Hitchcock's Spellbound, in which she played a nymphomaniac in a mental institution. She later joked about how she had to look up what the word nymphomaniac meant and was shocked to discover the definition.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 17, 2020 08:08 PM (aE9+c)

146 Especially when the virus has a very high survivability rate.

Five years!!! Stay safe.

Posted by: A Scold of Karens at October 17, 2020 08:08 PM (EgshT)

147 Oh yes, in so far as schools are still publicly funded, the only way to have a hope of winning here is to give control entirely to the localities where they are. The pollution of education starts with the emasculation of local control. And it was, much as I hate to say it, the states that did that. The feds were a late entry.

Posted by: Eeyore at October 17, 2020 08:08 PM (7X3UV)

148 OT, but I was driving on janesville road today (quite a way away from where Trump was speaking and at a busy intersection I beheld a Scold of Karens, perhaps around 20 of them hoding anti-Trump signs. The signs were mainly about "reproductive health" although all of the Karens looked like menopause was in their rear view mirror. I didnt hear one honk in support- not one.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&& v at October 17, 2020 08:08 PM (NxuSP)

149 They drink alla beer.
Posted by: JT


Allah doesn't allow beer.

Ben Franklin had something to say on that matter. Beer being proof of something or other.

Posted by: mikeski at October 17, 2020 08:08 PM (P1f+c)

150 I need to make a T-shirt

I survived Alar and Radon


Posted by: Weaning is hard at October 17, 2020 08:09 PM (2DOZq)

151 The signs were mainly about "reproductive health" although all of the Karens looked like menopause was in their rear view mirror. I didnt hear one honk in support- not one.
Posted by: Donna&&&&&& v at October 17, 2020 08:08 PM (NxuSP)
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"Reproductive Health" is the new "Safe, Legal and Rare."

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at October 17, 2020 08:09 PM (WEBkv)

152 Biden says Gretchen Whitmer is the best Governor in America.

@@@@

Two out of three kidnappers agree.
***

Without a respect for truth and critical thinking, science will turn into nothing more than mysticism.
@@@
Based on the data available from social media math and hard science illiteracy is the norm. Its sad.

Posted by: Piratepatch at October 17, 2020 08:09 PM (2Xrky)

153 Momladyx5, That's the way to get it done.

Your kids are our future.
Posted by: Ben Had

Seconded !

Posted by: JT at October 17, 2020 08:09 PM (arJlL)

154 Has there ever been any follow-up studies on the following:

Love Canal
Times Beach

Has there?

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 17, 2020 08:10 PM (p3tmI)

155 Steve Jobs was going to revolutionize textbooks. But he died.

We need a new champion, to put rigor back into textbooks.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 17, 2020 08:11 PM (u82oZ)

156 My favorite Karen sign was "Amy Coney Barrett is anti-woman!"

Posted by: Donna&&&&&& v at October 17, 2020 08:11 PM (NxuSP)

157 Wow...we ARE neighbors!
Posted by: DooDad at October 17, 2020 08:01 PM (SnLSx)
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Yup.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at October 17, 2020 08:11 PM (WEBkv)

158 153 Whitmer is the best Governor in America if governor is used as a device that retards the speed of a machine.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at October 17, 2020 08:11 PM (I58tH)

159 Biden commercial. Joe reaching across the aisle. And there it is, slobbering with Johnny McCain

@@@@

What wait, is Biden dead?

Posted by: Piratepatch at October 17, 2020 08:11 PM (2Xrky)

160 113 -- That's only part of the problem. Engineers simply do not think like the rest of us. I'm not knocking engineers; my stepfather was one, my two youngests' godfather is an engineer, and I know a few others. I'm simply saying that engineers don't exist on the same plane as the rest of us. So, if a normal person can converse with someone claiming to be an engineer without screaming in total frustration, they ain't talking to an engineer.

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- current occupation: cat furniture at October 17, 2020 08:12 PM (yHHWj)

161
Union of Concerned Scientists in the Public Interest

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 17, 2020 08:12 PM (mht8P)

162 He talked a good game back in March-April,but soon joined in with the "Mask-Up AZ" stupidity.
Posted by: Dutch Oven

Completely agree.
He came out like he understood and wasn't going to get steam rolled and got flattened.
Can't wait to vote him out.

Posted by: AZ deplorably isolated at October 17, 2020 08:12 PM (gtatv)

163 We need a new champion, to put rigor back into textbooks.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 17, 2020 08:11 PM (u82oZ)


The subject of an upcoming rant post.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 17, 2020 08:12 PM (+PVrT)

164 When did Joe put a lid on it?

Trump is tireless.

Posted by: jsg at October 17, 2020 08:12 PM (kZ8fN)

165 149
OT, but I was driving on janesville road today (quite a way away from
where Trump was speaking and at a busy intersection I beheld a Scold of
Karens, perhaps around 20 of them hoding anti-Trump signs. The signs
were mainly about "reproductive health" although all of the Karens
looked like menopause was in their rear view mirror. I didnt hear one
honk in support- not one.

Fox said Janesville (Rock County) is all blue. Doesn't look so blue at the rally.

Posted by: dartist at October 17, 2020 08:13 PM (+ya+t)

166
Biden commercial. Joe reaching across the aisle. And there it is, slobbering with Johnny McCain

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Bipartisanship: when the Stupid Party and the Evil Party get together to do something stupid and evil.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 17, 2020 08:13 PM (mht8P)

167 128They are now working with teens in our church youth group, and ever so gently and gradually dismantling the insanity so many have been sold


Long overdue. Because I was born under communism I recognized the indoctrination from elementary school on no matter how subtle. For example the IB program in High School. That was a sneaky one. Private school in which most parents were opposed to the insanity. So they introduced it in very underhanded ways. I've had to reprogram my sons brains since second grade the youngest (global warming hoax), and middle school at least for the oldest (dual track punishment system based on race).

Posted by: Floridachick at October 17, 2020 08:13 PM (+Obdm)

168 If I started a list of all the things I have survived we would be here all night
DDT, asbestos, the cold war, drinking out of a water hose--- the list is immense.

Posted by: Ben Had at October 17, 2020 08:13 PM (oSQM4)

169 157 My favorite Karen sign was "Amy Coney Barrett is anti-woman!"
Posted by: Donna&&&&&& v at October 17, 2020 08:11 PM (NxuSP)


They are just pissed as hell that she's smart, religious, gave birth to a litter, adopted a few and still has time to kick ass as a judge.

She's anti-selfish. They hate that.

They want her to be selfish, to think with her vagina and refuse to procreate in the name of empowerment.

Feminism is a cult.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 17, 2020 08:13 PM (3aLWR)

170 Trump leaves WI and heads to Nevada for a rally tomorrow.

I'm exhausted....

Posted by: Tami at October 17, 2020 08:13 PM (cF8AT)

171 14 Surprised they didn't have the seminal book from Rachel Carson.
Posted by: Traveling Man Who's Stuck At Home. Thanks China &&&& at October 17, 2020 07:26 PM (R5lpX)


That was in there too. I just didn't include it.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 17, 2020 08:14 PM (+PVrT)

172 122 Just down the road from you,
Bakersfield.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at October 17, 2020 07:58 PM (WEBkv)

Wow...we ARE neighbors!
Posted by: DooDad at October 17, 2020 08:01 PM (SnLSx)

You and you're families are welcome up here in Jefferson before we blow the bridges and break off.

Posted by: Balrog of Morgoth at October 17, 2020 08:14 PM (CLteG)

173 I'm simply saying that engineers don't exist on the same plane as the rest of us. So, if a normal person can converse with someone claiming to be an engineer without screaming in total frustration, they ain't talking to an engineer.

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- current occupation: cat furniture at October 17, 2020 08:12 PM


I'm a third generation engineer and I've only rarely unintentionally caused anyone to scream in total frustration.

Posted by: Cybersmythe at October 17, 2020 08:14 PM (qDSku)

174 Michigan looked chilly, Wisconsin looks cold

Posted by: Skip at October 17, 2020 08:14 PM (OjZpE)

175 Posted by: Anna Puma at October 17, 2020 08:10 PM (p3tmI)

I don't know but the Gulf of Mexico and Prince William Sound were supposed to be dead seas right now.

Posted by: Weaning is hard at October 17, 2020 08:14 PM (2DOZq)

176 www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUFhuZan3eU&feature=youtu.be link for Ted Nugent. He starts at about 2 minutes in or so.

Posted by: Piratepatch at October 17, 2020 08:14 PM (2Xrky)

177 24 Nice post, Jay Guevara !
Posted by: JT at October 17, 2020 07:28 PM (arJlL)


Thanks, JT!

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 17, 2020 08:15 PM (+PVrT)

178 163 I just got back from AZ,looking at a couple park model trailers. Go back in March to seal deal on one. Anyway, some of those little towns in AZ are batshit crazy on wearing masks. What's the deal, local or county government getting high handed?

Posted by: bill in arkansas at October 17, 2020 08:15 PM (I58tH)

179 Oh yeah,

Forget 'Climate Change,' shouldn't everyone be dead or infected from HIV by now?

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 17, 2020 08:15 PM (p3tmI)

180 >>Biden says Gretchen Whitmer is the best Governor in America.
Two out of three kidnappers agree.
***

I spoke to my friend who graduated Michigan Law - he knows everyone back there. His comment on the kidnaping? From what he hears, everyone in Michigan would volunteer to take a crack at it....

Posted by: Boswell at October 17, 2020 08:16 PM (w2LAm)

181 "Gradually and gently" dismantling the insanity isn't going to cut it.
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Amazing how fast jet air travel can take one from point A to Point B when one doesn't have to show up 2 hours early and sit on the tarmac for an hour, eh? And then AF1 doesn't get stacked up in a holding pattern. The only aircraft that could possibly take precedence over AF1 would maybe be a glider on final approach, and even then, I wouldn't want to be the glider pilot.

Posted by: Common Tater at October 17, 2020 08:16 PM (QEgj7)

182 148 Oh yes, in so far as schools are still publicly funded, the only way to have a hope of winning here is to give control entirely to the localities where they are. The pollution of education starts with the emasculation of local control. And it was, much as I hate to say it, the states that did that. The feds were a late entry


Destroy/kill/eradicate all teachers unions. That will be a start.

Posted by: Floridachick at October 17, 2020 08:17 PM (+Obdm)

183 Engineers just think logically, usually without the emotion so many people insert into daily lives.

They think about scenarios. Exits. Weakness. Stress. Possibilities. Percentages. Chance. Math.

A brain that is constantly in motion trying to figure out what will make things fail.

It's a hoot at parties.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 17, 2020 08:17 PM (3aLWR)

184 In his town hall Sundowner made a big speach how he would cross the isle and talk to iron out issues and get things done.
That horse left the barn long ago

Posted by: Skip at October 17, 2020 08:17 PM (OjZpE)

185 Michigan looked chilly, Wisconsin looks cold
Posted by: Skip


Time for Stompy Boots!

Posted by: Miklos,not knowing where AtC lives at October 17, 2020 08:18 PM (QzkSJ)

186 Thank you for the topic Deplorable Jay Guevara.
I enjoy your posts.

Posted by: AZ deplorably isolated at October 17, 2020 08:18 PM (gtatv)

187 The only aircraft that could possibly take precedence over AF1 would maybe be a glider on final approach, and even then, I wouldn't want to be the glider pilot.

Posted by: Common Tater at October 17, 2020 08:16 PM


In terms of right of way, a free balloon has right of way over a sailplane and a sailplane has right of way over a powered aircraft.

Of course, if you restrict yourself to the same category of aircraft, national defense and any flight with the callsign "lifeguard" have priority over AF1.

Posted by: Cybersmythe at October 17, 2020 08:18 PM (qDSku)

188 Forget 'Climate Change,' shouldn't everyone be dead or infected from HIV by now?
Posted by: Anna Puma


not us

Posted by: herpes at October 17, 2020 08:19 PM (QzkSJ)

189 181 Heh. Whitmer getting kidnapped. Always think of "The Ransom of Red Chief". How much do we have to pay you to take her back?

Posted by: bill in arkansas at October 17, 2020 08:19 PM (I58tH)

190 Just have to step in here, and tie up a loose end or two on the prior thread's discussion on The Boys.

Boy, did I mess that one up. I checked the books, and not only did they not "kill off" Translucent the same way in the books, he's not even in the books!

Good grief, the character is called Jack from Jupiter, and now I don't even remember how he died. It's much later in the story, and I remember some of it. Just not the details.

Re-read?

As for Season 2, the ending, since I decided to watch it. I hate it. Very trite. Teevee level season enders, with teasers for the next season.

Pass.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 17, 2020 08:19 PM (hku12)

191 Rachel Carson is one of the most notorious unhung mass murderers in history.

Posted by: Eromero at October 17, 2020 08:19 PM (XhWtx)

192 I spoke to my friend who graduated Michigan Law - he knows everyone back there. His comment on the kidnaping? From what he hears, everyone in Michigan would volunteer to take a crack at it....
Posted by: Boswell


Well...has her recall petition gotten enough signatures?

Posted by: Inquiring Miklos at October 17, 2020 08:20 PM (QzkSJ)

193 This topic is near and dear to my heart - I've been fighting the climate wars for a long time. It's been astounding - in the first wave, up until the infamous Climategate scandal (2009, I believe) the Warmists really did try to prove that Mathematically and Scientifically, they were Right. Then it became obvious that all of their "science" was based on faked numbers and ridiculously wrong assumptions, so they began to pressure University Dep'ts to fire anyone who wasn't on board with their side, and same thing with any corporate grants.

Now their science hasn't gotten any better - in fact it gets more ridiculous and fake every year - but they've even run off all of the people who understood the actual science on their side. Now it is pure religion; anyone who doubts Global Warming is a Heretic! and a Rayciss! (why? only a Rayciss! would ask that question!!!) And anyone who states the Truth is instantly fired from any University Dep't, and instantly fired from any Publicly held corporation.

The big "Secret" about the Global Warming Controversy is that there's no actual controversy at all; it has all been blatantly faked, from top to bottom. And anyone who says that in public is instantly un-personed.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 17, 2020 08:20 PM (V2Yro)

194 Janesville's state reps are all GOP.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&& v at October 17, 2020 08:20 PM (NxuSP)

195 What's the deal, local or county government getting high handed?
Posted by: bill in arkansas

Those little towns filled up with retired folk from every liberal State that taxed them they way they voted.
And they vote the same here as they did in their liberal State.

Posted by: AZ deplorably isolated at October 17, 2020 08:20 PM (gtatv)

196 1500+ car Trump parade outside Phoenix.

Seriously, when was the last time you saw a president inspire the kind of enthusiasm Trump does? I can't remember anything like this.

https://tinyurl.com/yyes7vrs

Posted by: JackStraw at October 17, 2020 08:20 PM (ZLI7S)

197 181 Angello Codevilla thinks it's entrapment egged on by the FBI
https://amgreatness.com/2020/10/15/your-fbi-will-entrap-you/

Posted by: Skip at October 17, 2020 08:21 PM (OjZpE)

198 Heh. Whitmer getting kidnapped. Always think of "The Ransom of Red Chief". How much do we have to pay you to take her back?
Posted by: bill in arkansas at October 17, 2020 08:19 PM (I58tH)


Think of instead "A Cask of Amontillado"

Posted by: Kindltot at October 17, 2020 08:21 PM (WyVLE)

199 Reporter asks Plugs about Hunter and the expected outbreak ensues. Having a spoonful of crow for saying on here it would never happen.

https://mobile.twitter.com/BoKnowsNews
/status/1317275294194085888

Posted by: Dark Helmet at October 17, 2020 08:21 PM (Oka5v)

200 192 Rachel Carson is one of the most notorious unhung mass murderers in history.
Posted by: Eromero at October 17, 2020 08:19 PM (XhWtx)

-----------------------------

Well, I wouldn't expect her to be hung...

Posted by: No One of Consequence at October 17, 2020 08:21 PM (CAJOC)

201 This has been going on for a long time. Was Marine Science major (Chem and Bio) back in the 70's. Took an elective course entitled "Environmental Justice". (Should'a known better, right?)

Anyway, the little prig of a prof would spew scienc-y "data" and I would counter with facts that he could not usually refute then he'd dismiss my arguments out of hand due to his superior, righteous world view.

The best thing I gained from this "class" was to hold this type of BS in contempt. /rant


Posted by: jollyr at October 17, 2020 08:22 PM (CbCI8)

202
Another candidate for posthumous execution: John Money.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 17, 2020 08:22 PM (mht8P)

203 Of course the FBI will entice you to convict yourself.

FBI informant, "Hey Mo I hear you need a bomb to blow up Christians."

Mo, "You have one?"

FBI informant, "Right here."

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 17, 2020 08:22 PM (p3tmI)

204 You already are walking and driving over them. I know a gurrrlz bridge engineer (she manages large bridge construction projects in the US and Canada for a major firm) who has also taught physics classes at a university. She like unicorns and sailing (racing).

I feelz so much better.

Unicorns. Lovely.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 17, 2020 08:22 PM (3H9h1)

205 It's a hoot at parties.

@@@@

Do you know how hard it is not to say anything (by that I mean flame someone) when people say such things as "that is bad because it has chemicals in it. Use this, it's made from natural plants so its chemical free". I've learned to keep quiet but some how they still figure it out. I may be making faces. Got to work on that. So the hitting the head on a hard object goes both ways more often than you might think.

Posted by: Piratepatch at October 17, 2020 08:23 PM (2Xrky)

206 That's Dr. John Money ...

He better be roasting in Hell.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 17, 2020 08:23 PM (p3tmI)

207 187 Thank you for the topic Deplorable Jay Guevara.
I enjoy your posts.

Posted by: AZ deplorably isolated at October 17, 2020 08:18 PM (gtatv)


Thanks, AZ!

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 17, 2020 08:23 PM (+PVrT)

208 110 I was at the in laws where we wear masks as they are in the older vulnerable demographic. Anyway, I had a little taste of coffee infused rum. With my mask on, I could smell the drink. Now what are the relative sizes of the wuhan virus and the volatile molecules in a rum drink?
Posted by: InCali at October 17, 2020 07:58 PM (9AFWN)


Without researching it, I am thinking scent molecules are several orders of magnitude smaller that viruses

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at October 17, 2020 08:24 PM (8C7+r)

209 197 1500+ car Trump parade outside Phoenix.

Seriously, when was the last time you saw a president inspire the kind of enthusiasm Trump does? I can't remember anything like this.

https://tinyurl.com/yyes7vrs
Posted by: JackStraw at October 17, 2020 08:20 PM (ZLI7S)

--------------------------------

And yet, somehow, he's going to lose in a landslide.

Posted by: No One of Consequence at October 17, 2020 08:24 PM (CAJOC)

210 Southern Wisconsin wasn't that cold today. Just windy and overcast. Of course i haven't been out since the sun went down, which makes a difference.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&& v at October 17, 2020 08:24 PM (NxuSP)

211 >>>Engineering studies is ... the study of engineers and their activities


THAT is fucking retarded.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 17, 2020 08:24 PM (/Dgcm)

212 The problem with kidnapping Gretchen Whitmer is that you would then have Gretchen Whitmer. The upside eludes me.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at October 17, 2020 08:24 PM (H5knJ)

213 John Money is burning in hell.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&& v at October 17, 2020 08:25 PM (NxuSP)

214 Kidnapping Gretchen would be like a real life kidnapping of Bette Midler's character in that movie.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 17, 2020 08:25 PM (p3tmI)

215 The upside eludes me.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls

You could gag her with duct tape.

Posted by: AZ deplorably isolated at October 17, 2020 08:26 PM (gtatv)

216 174 -- I don't think my stepfather did it deliberately, either. He just couldn't help it. My sister used to have the world's biggest tantrums after talking to him for more than "Hi", " Goodbye". I went to the grocery store with him once. He had a list my mother had given him. Single-minded is the understatement of the year.

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- current occupation: cat furniture at October 17, 2020 08:26 PM (yHHWj)

217 177
www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUFhuZan3eUfeature=youtu.be link for Ted Nugent. He starts at about 2 minutes in or so.

Thank you, that was awesome. Parting words from Ted "Have a great hunting season, kill lots of shit", lol.

Posted by: dartist at October 17, 2020 08:26 PM (+ya+t)

218 Think of instead "A Cask of Amontillado"
Posted by: Kindltot at October 17, 2020 08:21 PM (WyVLE)
----------------

"Usher II" by Ray Bradbury.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at October 17, 2020 08:26 PM (WEBkv)

219 196 I noticed that. Lady that owns the little desert motel I stayed at said the population grows from about 1500 to 6000 in the winter. A lot claim AZ residency, still go home to their blue state paradise in the summer, yet vote their same old way in AZ.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at October 17, 2020 08:26 PM (I58tH)

220 Seriously, when was the last time you saw a president inspire the kind of enthusiasm Trump does? I can't remember anything like this.

https://tinyurl.com/yyes7vrs

Posted by: JackStraw at October 17, 2020 08:20 PM (ZLI7S)

Check this out...amazing considering the location.

Dave Rubin...on Santa Monica & Beverly Dr....

At a rally....

Video: https://tinyurl.com/yyyypzec

Posted by: Tami at October 17, 2020 08:27 PM (cF8AT)

221 Why would you waste a good cask of Amontillado to drawn Gretchen in?

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 17, 2020 08:27 PM (p3tmI)

Posted by: jollyr at October 17, 2020 08:27 PM (CbCI8)

223 . A lot claim AZ residency, still go home to their blue state paradise in the summer, yet vote their same old way in AZ.
Posted by: bill in arkansas

Exactly... When the Blue-hairs show up each Fall through Easter the roads get really dangerous.

Posted by: AZ deplorably isolated at October 17, 2020 08:28 PM (gtatv)

224 212 >>>Engineering studies is ... the study of engineers and their activities

THAT is fucking retarded.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 17, 2020 08:24 PM (/Dgcm)


Yep. The disturbing thing is that practitioners of the various STEM "studies" departments make ex cathedra pronouncements on STEM subjects, where only the sharp-eyed notice their professors of science studies, i.e., not scientists themselves.

Historians of science often try the same fast shuffle.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 17, 2020 08:28 PM (+PVrT)

225 144 Biden commercial. Joe reaching across the aisle. And there it is, slobbering with Johnny McCain, noted aviator. Wouldn't surprise me if the Arizona beer baroness has some legacy bucks coming in from Biden, Inc.
Posted by: bill in arkansas at October 17, 2020 08:08 PM (I58tH)

She is on his transition team.

Posted by: Bete at October 17, 2020 08:28 PM (Ojki1)

226 You and you're families are welcome up here in Jefferson before we blow the bridges and break off.

Posted by: Balrog of Morgoth at October 17, 2020 08:14 PM (CLteG)

Thanks for the invite neighbor, but Jefferson is kinda racist isn't it? (sc)

Posted by: DooDad at October 17, 2020 08:28 PM (SnLSx)

227 Thank you for the post, Jay.

One of the science teachers at our community college asked me to help her learn how to explain the math in this project she was going to have her students do. It was population-alarmist baloney that assumed population growth is accurately modeled by an exponential function.

I told her that real-life populations do not follow an exponential curve, so she dropped it.

Posted by: Emmie at October 17, 2020 08:28 PM (4JM5Y)

228 Watching OAN - news scroll says judge oked NY closing bars by midnight despite economic hardship.

Posted by: Skip at October 17, 2020 08:29 PM (OjZpE)

229 oops. blank post.

Posted by: jollyr at October 17, 2020 08:29 PM (CbCI8)

230 I was only 8 in 1984, so obviously politics were not on my radar yet. Reagan did not have such a devoted base, did he?

Posted by: Jmel at October 17, 2020 08:29 PM (kXAeC)

231 Janesville's state reps are all GOP.
Posted by: Donna&&&&&&



Eddie "Paul Ryan" Munster sez hi.

Posted by: Miklos, needing a spittoon at October 17, 2020 08:29 PM (QzkSJ)

232 Kidnapping Gretchen would be like a real life kidnapping of Bette Midler's character in that movie.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 17, 2020 08:25 PM (p3tmI)

Ruthless People

Posted by: ... at October 17, 2020 08:29 PM (OZIO9)

233 A civil engineer I know studied at the University of Iowa at the same time van Allen was teaching and researching there. Van Allen's "top secret" project was scattered all through the halls of the engineering building.

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- current occupation: cat furniture at October 17, 2020 08:29 PM (yHHWj)

234 224 Yuma had the worst surface street traffic I've ever seen, and not even at a rush hour.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at October 17, 2020 08:29 PM (I58tH)

235 1500+ car Trump parade outside Phoenix.

not so safe outside your car here : https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1317600029327073280

Posted by: exdemocrat at October 17, 2020 08:29 PM (GmndG)

236 228 My point being that this project was one of the resources for a college science course.

Posted by: Emmie at October 17, 2020 08:30 PM (4JM5Y)

237 I was only 8 in 1984, so obviously politics were not on my radar yet. Reagan did not have such a devoted base, did he?

Posted by: Jmel at October 17, 2020 08:29 PM (kXAeC)

Reagan had the whole country

Posted by: ... at October 17, 2020 08:30 PM (OZIO9)

238 Trump is a fucking machine.

That is all.

Posted by: clutch cargo at October 17, 2020 08:30 PM (8B6Ng)

239 That is amazing about Rhonda Fleming, that is the first I've heard of her death. Amazing because yesterday my wife and I were looking for an old movie to watch, and we settled on an old Rhonda Fleming / Stewart Granger movie, talked about how much she always looked like Virginia Mayo and the movies she was in. We had never talked about her before yesterday.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 17, 2020 08:30 PM (V2Yro)

240 217 174 -- I don't think my stepfather did it deliberately, either. He just couldn't help it. My sister used to have the world's biggest tantrums after talking to him for more than "Hi", " Goodbye". I went to the grocery store with him once. He had a list my mother had given him. Single-minded is the understatement of the year.
Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- current occupation: cat furniture at October 17, 2020 08:26 PM (yHHWj)

--------------------------------

Makes me think of the old joke - a wife sends her engineer husband to the store. She tells him "Get some butter, and a loaf of bread. If they have eggs, get a dozen". So husband comes home with butter and a dozen loaves of bread.

Posted by: No One of Consequence at October 17, 2020 08:30 PM (CAJOC)

241 228 Thank you for the post, Jay.

Posted by: Emmie at October 17, 2020 08:28 PM (4JM5Y)


My pleasure, Emmie. Writing this stuff is somewhere between therapeutic and cathartic.

One of the science teachers at our community college asked me to help her learn how to explain the math in this project she was going to have her students do. It was population-alarmist baloney that assumed population growth is accurately modeled by an exponential function.

I told her that real-life populations do not follow an exponential curve, so she dropped it.


Which should be obvious, otherwise the earth would be overrun with rabbits. Perhaps she's never heard of the logistic function?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 17, 2020 08:31 PM (+PVrT)

242 >>Check this out...amazing considering the location.

Dave Rubin...on Santa Monica & Beverly Dr....

At a rally....

>>Video: https://tinyurl.com/yyyypzec

The funny thing is we are actually The Resistance and we're way better at it.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 17, 2020 08:33 PM (ZLI7S)

243 SCIENCE!!!

Posted by: Insomniac at October 17, 2020 08:33 PM (NWiLs)

244 I disagree with the notion that the rot "began" with the social sciences and spread to the hard sciences. It was always in the hard sciences, because science and the scientific method have always only partially aligned. Science is full of political hacks, arrogant asses, insecure dweebs, and grifters looking to make a buck. The notion of the scientist toiling away in his lab, seeking the Truth wherever it leads was always a fantasy.

What really changed were two world wars, especially WWII, which were fully industrialized and where scientific development was brought into the war effort in a way that hadn't been seen before. Following WWII, the post-war order with large-scale global institutions, domestic bureaucracies, and the constant scientific pressure of the Cold War created a new social place for scientists, as well as a cult of quantification that came to believe in the power of "hard data". Meanwhile, the hard sciences (especially physics) were drifting into more and more esoteric and ephemeral areas. The result was a generation of scientists who increasingly involved themselves in political and social debates where they had no experience or expertise, and because of that were subject to the same infection of poisonous ideas as everyone else. A physicist isn't anymore immune to the notions of critical race theory simply because he has a Ph.D. in physics. And because they were often tucked away in safe jobs in the government or in academia, they were shielded from much of the real world.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at October 17, 2020 08:33 PM (sTnpX)

245 217 174 -- I don't think my stepfather did it deliberately, either. He just couldn't help it. My sister used to have the world's biggest tantrums after talking to him for more than "Hi", " Goodbye". I went to the grocery store with him once. He had a list my mother had given him. Single-minded is the understatement of the year.
Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- current occupation: cat furniture at October 17, 2020 08:26 PM (yHHWj)


I don't get the problem there. A grocery list is a Requirements Specification. You punch the list and move on. Anything else is suboptimal. And life is, indeed, an optimization exercise, no?

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at October 17, 2020 08:33 PM (8C7+r)

246 238 I was only 8 in 1984, so obviously politics were not on my radar yet. Reagan did not have such a devoted base, did he?

Posted by: Jmel at October 17, 2020 08:29 PM (kXAeC)

Reagan is the only politician in my lifetime who honestly made me cry, just by the power of his words.

Trump and Reagan are quite different. Trump is the fighter, the warrior, the brawler. Reagan was the Father to the entire country, who could shame everyone who tried to stand up to him with a word and a smile.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 17, 2020 08:33 PM (V2Yro)

247 Richard Feinman expressed concern in 1964 regarding the politicization of science. He also posited a category of "Sciences Which are not a Science ", such as social science and to a certain degree the biologic sciences. The trapping of science are there, but without rules and laws to keep these endeavors from wandering far afield.

Posted by: EdmundBurkesShade at October 17, 2020 08:33 PM (RJCvt)

248 Missed the best global warmering book.

Michael Chrichton, State of Fear.

'Fiction' about people using a fake crises, to create enough fear, to get power.

Sounds... familiar.

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 17, 2020 08:34 PM (NgKpN)

249 217 174 -- I don't think my stepfather did it deliberately, either. He just couldn't help it. My sister used to have the world's biggest tantrums after talking to him for more than "Hi", " Goodbye". I went to the grocery store with him once. He had a list my mother had given him. Single-minded is the understatement of the year.
Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- current occupation: cat furniture at October 17, 2020 08:26 PM (yHHWj)

Reagan did NOT have a devoted base.

But had a silent Majority that he spoke to.

Those hard working folks who believed in America.

You know, just like Trump?

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 17, 2020 08:35 PM (NgKpN)

250
Science.... The institution, is THRIVING. Its filled with ambitious dick weasels pursuing fame and fortune.... and power.


Science... The discipline, is already dead.

Posted by: fixerupper at October 17, 2020 08:37 PM (nw6Hr)

251 >>Engineering studies is ... the study of engineers and their activities

THAT is fucking retarded.
Posted by: Burnt Toast


It must be all theoretical studies, too.

I've never had any Steve Irwin types in my cubicle going "Crikey! He's right here, and he's about to break out Maxwell's equations. If I don't shield my eyes, he could blind me with the science..."

Posted by: mikeski at October 17, 2020 08:38 PM (P1f+c)

252
A conversation at Schloss Hadrian

Me: What do you need at the store?
Her Majesty: A, B, C, D and E. And some F if you can find it.

On my returning with above items

HM: Did you by any chance get R, S, T and V?
Me: *stares*

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 17, 2020 08:38 PM (mht8P)

253 I was only 8 in 1984, so obviously politics were not on my radar yet. Reagan did not have such a devoted base, did he?

Posted by: Jmel at October 17, 2020 08:29 PM (kXAeC)


Reagan was my second time voting. I was in college by then, and everybody, I mean everybody hated him. But, it was cool to hate him in CA University system. That's how everyone was being programmed, and of course all kids want to belong to the "club".

His demented bony finger on the nuclear button. Psychopath with the nuclear codes. He's going to blow us all up. He's going to start war with Russia. The economy is going to hell, no such thing as trickle down. Sound familiar?

But CA in general remembered and felt the same way. 3 counties voted against him in CA in 1980, 4 in 1984. Believe it or not, LA/Orange was red.

Posted by: clutch cargo at October 17, 2020 08:38 PM (8B6Ng)

254 Reagan did not have such a devoted base, did he?

He did, but those were obviously different times. Technology as we know it was still in its infancy. You got your news from a newspaper, radio or handful of broadcast networks. Plus, the commie media hated Reagan, as was to be expected.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 17, 2020 08:38 PM (EgshT)

255 Too many rabbits or Leftists

Both destroy the planet.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 17, 2020 08:38 PM (p3tmI)

256 The funny thing is we are actually The Resistance and we're way better at it.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 17, 2020 08:33 PM (ZLI7S)

And much happier gatherings!

Posted by: Tami at October 17, 2020 08:39 PM (cF8AT)

257 The enthusiasm is incredible on our side.

I don't want to win. I want to crush them into oblivion so they can never raise their filthy heads again.

Posted by: IrishEi at October 17, 2020 08:40 PM (sGotD)

258
...: hmmm

Do you have a newsletter ?

Posted by: Enquiring at October 17, 2020 08:40 PM (c7pBL)

259 I think there should be a law that allows these Antifa bastards to be shot on sight. They're easy enough to recognize. Dressed all in black, black backpack, black mask or hood, accessorizing with skateboard, shield, goggles, or gas mask. And soy as fck.

Posted by: Drink Like Vikings at October 17, 2020 08:41 PM (cdm0u)

260 Maxwell's Demon would like to have a word with you... in HR.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 17, 2020 08:41 PM (p3tmI)

261
Back then, National Review would be disappointed with Reagan for not being conservative enough.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 17, 2020 08:41 PM (mht8P)

262 Great post, Deplorable Jay Guevara!

You yourself are helping Real Science by explaining this. Looking forward to Part 3.

A real scientist should be able to explain his research to a child of 10. Except for the theoretical quantum chemists.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 17, 2020 08:41 PM (u82oZ)

263
The "big guy" got 10% of Hunter's Chinese payoff deal, according to the texts between Hunter and the business partner that he burned. Biz partner kept the texts/emails.


Don't believe me about the Chinese payoff to Joe Biden, believe Hunter. He was the one that sealed the deal.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at October 17, 2020 08:42 PM (sy5kK)

264 I remember going to an Adam Sandler movie a few years ago, and the movie had a clip in it of Reagan speaking. The lady next to me gasped in sorrow. His voice was so soothing. He was a giant. He deserves Rushmore.

Posted by: Jmel at October 17, 2020 08:42 PM (kXAeC)

265 Remember the foot bridge that collapsed at a college in Florida?

Could have used an Engineering study.

I remember at the time comparing that to the Pons Farbricius in Rome- which was built in 62 AD and is still in use today.

Huh.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 17, 2020 08:42 PM (A5zUN)

266 Yuma had the worst surface street traffic I've ever seen, and not even at a rush hour.
Posted by: bill in arkansas

Let's see...
Marines all the time, check.
Retirees it's getting cold in the Northern tier, check.
Illegals all the time, check.

Yeah... lol

Posted by: AZ deplorably isolated at October 17, 2020 08:42 PM (gtatv)

267 I disagree with the notion that the rot "began" with the social sciences and spread to the hard sciences. It was always in the hard sciences, because science and the scientific method have always only partially aligned. Science is full of political hacks, arrogant asses, insecure dweebs, and grifters looking to make a buck.

God knows hard sciences have their politicos and their grifters who pursue their own aggrandizement with a fervor that would make used car salesmen shake their heads.

But that's true of every endeavor. I think most hard scientists actually are interested in adding to the sum total of knowledge. People who go into the hard sciences surely recognize that doing so entails a lot of hard work and modest pay.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 17, 2020 08:43 PM (+PVrT)

268 A physicist isn't anymore immune to the notions of critical race theory simply because he has a Ph.D. in physics. And because they were often tucked away in safe jobs in the government or in academia, they were shielded from much of the real world.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at October 17, 2020 08:33 PM (sTnpX)

I agree with you to an extent; BUT there was always a safeguard built into the hard sciences. Now that safeguard has been thrown away.

The safeguard is best described in Popper's writings about Falsification. First, *no* idea can be called "scientific" if they can not be falsified (ie, proved or disproved) Ideas that cannot be falsified are Religious, not Scientific. (ie, God Exists) In honest Science, any new finding should be immediately attacked by other scientists who seek to falsify it. ONLY if the new idea stands up under such scrutiny, should it be generally accepted.

But instead, by 2009, we had the climategate controversy and the Researchers saying "No, Critics may NOT see my raw data, they'll just try to discredit it!" Yes, discrediting ideas is what Honest Science is all about. Throw that part out and the entire thing becomes politico-religious nonsense, in every field.

And this is why it really hurts me to know that less than 50% of the Clinical trials for new drugs are repeatable, and the FDA doesn't care. Claude Popper knew - it it's not repeatable, it's just a fraud.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 17, 2020 08:43 PM (V2Yro)

269 The Romans used to have a way of ensuring a bridge stayed up, contractor was on the hook for the build for twenty years.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 17, 2020 08:43 PM (p3tmI)

270 265 I remember going to an Adam Sandler movie a few years ago, and the movie had a clip in it of Reagan speaking. The lady next to me gasped in sorrow. His voice was so soothing. He was a giant. He deserves Rushmore.
Posted by: Jmel at October 17, 2020 08:42 PM (kXAeC)

He is my epitome of a President. Part of that is because he was the first I really remember, but it is more than that.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 17, 2020 08:43 PM (A5zUN)

271 "The funny thing is we are actually The Resistance and we're way better at it."

Well said, Jack. Living in Blue City/State hell is increasingly like being in The Lives of Others.

Posted by: exdemocrat at October 17, 2020 08:43 PM (GmndG)

272 IrishEi we need to just win barely from the fraud

Posted by: Skip at October 17, 2020 08:43 PM (OjZpE)

273 I remember at the time comparing that to the Pons Farbricius in Rome- which was built in 62 AD and is still in use today.

Huh.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 17, 2020 08:42 PM (A5zUN)


Insufficient diversity.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 17, 2020 08:43 PM (+PVrT)

274 The first year I was old enough to vote was 1984. I remember filling out my absentee ballot while sitting on my rack while at Camp San Onofre during ITS. And, yes, I voted for Ronnie, and yes, he won in a landslide, but those were different times. The opposition was, largely, made up of loyal Americans. Today, not so much.

Posted by: eastofsuez at October 17, 2020 08:44 PM (jko0s)

275 Which should be obvious, otherwise the earth would be overrun with rabbits. Perhaps she's never heard of the logistic function?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 17, 2020 08:31 PM (+PVrT)


Math is not her forte. But common sense tells us to be a bit skeptical when "scientists" say we're all gonna die unless we stop being normal human beings.

Posted by: Emmie at October 17, 2020 08:44 PM (4JM5Y)

276 I got to meet Reagan one time.
I still know some people on his staff at the time.
He had a sense of humor matched only today by Trump.
I mean, go back and look at the debates between him and Mondale, there are some very funny moments, and those funny moments led to a 49 state electoral landslide.

Posted by: Attila the unready at October 17, 2020 08:44 PM (w7KSn)

277 Too many rabbits or Leftists
Both destroy the planet.
Posted by: Anna Puma

And with Joe Biden as their candidate, that is The Trouble with Dribbles.

Posted by: Drink Like Vikings at October 17, 2020 08:44 PM (cdm0u)

278 Whoa, didn't know about this one.

Great post, Jay.

Imagine the Horde has mostly said it all, on the topic.

It's appalling, outrageous, and frightening.

And just focusing for a second on the current - and all-time worst - hijacking of "science" and abuse of the citizenry by the state, in its name - Nov. 3 is not any kind of end-point.

Even if, against all indications so far, Trump decides to junk the entire false framework he and most of the country have been shackled with since May, at the latest (that a viral respiratory epidemic can be "fought", contained, managed, etc), there will be an enormous war to be fought with the now clearly off-the-rails, fully political, "public health" institutions, federal and state.

And no - just (sincerely, and appropriately) being in favor of "re-opening" is not nearly enough. It's a perfect analogy with the half-assed, weasel-ish withdrawal from the Paris Accords. "It's not a good deal for us" has nothing to do with "the entire 'issue' is baseless and without scientific merit, and anything done with reference to it is indefensible and inexcusable".

Just kinda sorta being a big pro-growth guy will do nothing to push back Leviathan, which has extended its reach in the last 6 months more than any time in our history (there's literally nothing in any part of American history to compare, unless one makes the ridiculously forced analogies to very short-term WWII rationing, price controls, etc).



Posted by: rhomboid at October 17, 2020 08:44 PM (OTzUX)

279 >>> The "big guy" got 10% of Hunter's Chinese payoff deal, according to the texts between Hunter and the business partner that he burned. Biz partner kept the texts/emails.
~~~~~

I think the "big guy" was Obama, not Biden, because Joe is mentioned elsewhere as JB and Pop.

Posted by: IrishEi at October 17, 2020 08:45 PM (sGotD)

280 Trump and Reagan are quite different. Trump is the fighter, the warrior, the brawler. Reagan was the Father to the entire country, who could shame everyone who tried to stand up to him with a word and a smile.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 17, 2020 08:33 PM (V2Yro)


Agree, Reagan never whipped up the crowds. But damn I loved listening to him talk. Trump is in your face. Ronald was disarming AF and always came out of nowhere.

I also think the swamp was far, far better at staying hidden, and we didn't see or know what was going on behind the scenes. In retrospect, Reagan was being beat down in similar fashion to Trump by the GOPe. I think after being shot and in his second term that was evident. But it was HW's term that revealed the swamp to me for the first time in all its murky glory.

One of SNL's only funny sketches was of Reagan, and I think they nailed it.

https://youtu.be/b5wfPlgKFh8

Posted by: clutch cargo at October 17, 2020 08:45 PM (8B6Ng)

281 270 The Romans used to have a way of ensuring a bridge stayed up, contractor was on the hook for the build for twenty years.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 17, 2020 08:43 PM (p3tmI)

So, what you are saying Anna is that Lucius Fabricius deserves a bonus for exceeding his target by a factor of 100?


Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 17, 2020 08:45 PM (A5zUN)

282 Most PhDs think Popper is related to Orville Redenbacher. They know nothing about the history of science.

Posted by: EdmundBurkesShade at October 17, 2020 08:45 PM (RJCvt)

283 Actually, I was wrong. The Pons Fabricius was built in 62BC. Only off by a 124 years. Who's counting?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 17, 2020 08:46 PM (A5zUN)

284 Let's see in TV land

Mr. Science
Carl Sagan
Neal Tyson

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 17, 2020 08:46 PM (p3tmI)

285 Hadrian the Seventh

You have deep experience being a productive member of the advanced science community, doing more for the environment than Greenpeace. In fact, you have done more for Gaia by exponential factors.

But all men need a Ph.D. in being a husband. That is where we work our hardest - as part of a spousal unit in 21st Century America.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 17, 2020 08:46 PM (u82oZ)

286 IrishEi - hmmmmm

Posted by: Skip at October 17, 2020 08:47 PM (OjZpE)

287 Aestius

Probably though sorting out who inherited the reward might prove a problem.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 17, 2020 08:47 PM (p3tmI)

288 Dunno if anyone brought it up, I've mentioned several times here.

Nobel Laureate Levitt (biology) got very interested in C19 and started formulating some ideas, based on Diamond Princess, and Stockholm data.

When he passed around his initial findings to colleagues (imagine the level we're talking here), he was stunned (and remains so, it seems) by their response.

Critiques of his numbers, take-down of his framework, key assumptions challenged or modified? Real scientific interaction?

Uh, no.

"You shouldn't be saying this"

Speaks for itself.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 17, 2020 08:47 PM (OTzUX)

289 The safeguard is best described in Popper's writings about Falsification. First, *no* idea can be called "scientific" if they can not be falsified (ie, proved or disproved) Ideas that cannot be falsified are Religious, not Scientific. (ie, God Exists) In honest Science, any new finding should be immediately attacked by other scientists who seek to falsify it. ONLY if the new idea stands up under such scrutiny, should it be generally accepted.

But instead, by 2009, we had the climategate controversy and the Researchers saying "No, Critics may NOT see my raw data, they'll just try to discredit it!" Yes, discrediting ideas is what Honest Science is all about. Throw that part out and the entire thing becomes politico-religious nonsense, in every field.

And this is why it really hurts me to know that less than 50% of the Clinical trials for new drugs are repeatable, and the FDA doesn't care. Karl Popper knew - it it's not repeatable, it's just a fraud.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 17, 2020 08:43 PM (V2Yro)


This.

As ranted about previously, biomedical science has a LOT of problems with reproducibility.

Also, no idea can "proved." It can only be disproven. Ideas that have withstood intense scrutiny without being falsified - so far - are tentatively accepted as valid models. Until an experiment that falsifies them. The notion that science is ever settled is ludicrous.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 17, 2020 08:47 PM (+PVrT)

290 The Romans used to have a way of ensuring a bridge stayed up, contractor was on the hook for the build for twenty years.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 17, 2020 08:43 PM (p3tmI)


CA does have its moments, contractors being one. Pool contractors are on the hook for 20 years here too! That's why ours packed up his tent and skipped the state one evening.

Posted by: clutch cargo at October 17, 2020 08:48 PM (8B6Ng)

291 One of the founders of Critical Race Theory:

Ibram X. Kendi
@DrIbram
If we allow the total destruction of truth and facts and science, if we allow all to become differing beliefs and opinions, then the human divides will grow until humanity destroys itself.

-
Translation from Woke: You damn crackers need to shut up!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 17, 2020 08:48 PM (+y/Ru)

292 IrishEi we need to just win barely from the fraud
Posted by: Skip at October 17, 2020 08:43 PM (OjZpE)
~~~~~

That's all we need, but I want flaying, disemboweling and heads on pikes.

Posted by: IrishEi at October 17, 2020 08:48 PM (sGotD)

293 On a more serious note -- I have absolutely no idea how to turn the American education system around. I was in fourth grade the day Sputnik went up. My teacher stood in front of the entire class the next day and apologized for the American educational system as it was at that moment. She was so upset, she nearly groveled in front of us.

It appalls me how ignorant my kids are about areas of knowledge that the XO and I take for granted. I had to teach No. 3 son long division because he simply couldn't grasp it the way it was being taught. Me!!! The Liberal Arts, can't pass a science or math class idiot. And his teacher was less than thrilled with me.

And speaking as a Liberal Arts major, I am even more appalled by what passes as Liberal Arts these days.

Years ago, I used to say that what American education needed was to bring back the teachers who trained before WW II. Those old gals (and, yes, the vast majority of them were female) knew how to educate a packed classroom. My mother got her teaching certificate in the early '60s and she had absolutely nothing good to say about the younger teachers coming up behind her. She thought they were lazy, undisciplined, and ignorant of what they were supposed to be teaching.

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- current occupation: cat furniture at October 17, 2020 08:48 PM (yHHWj)

294 Science is never done-

that is to say, I believe we will never know everything. There is always something more to discover.


Science is not settled- science is ongoing.
No one 'owns the science'.

Science is not a thing one 'believes in' or not. It is what it is. It is a set of facts that have been proven true over time thru repeated experiment.

Posted by: DB- just DB. at October 17, 2020 08:48 PM (iTXRQ)

295 Just so you can see the nonsense from the other side.

https://tinyurl.com/y3yqn24d

Killing the guy that shot and killed the Proud Boy in Portland was an "assassination".

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at October 17, 2020 08:49 PM (YynYJ)

296 Deplorable Jay-

Excellent post. Depressing, but excellent.

Posted by: IrishEi at October 17, 2020 08:49 PM (sGotD)

297 An Engineer is asked by his wife, "Could you please go shopping for me and buy one carton of milk, and if they have eggs, get 6?" A short time later the engineer comes back with 6 cartons of milk, and no eggs.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 17, 2020 08:49 PM (V2Yro)

298 Way...way back in the 80's I had delusions of being an architect. I had taken "all" the classes throughout high school to be "an architect."

My best friend's dad was an Architect. Took me on a drive in his white Porsche around Silver Spring, Rockville, and Gaithersburg Maryland. He took me to about 4-5 buildings he personally designed, not built. Architects don't build, they design.

His professional liability insurance back then was well into the 100's of millions of dollars.

I decided to smoke pot for a year instead.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 17, 2020 08:50 PM (3H9h1)

299 Science and law to Leftists is settled until they need to change it then it's not

Posted by: Skip at October 17, 2020 08:50 PM (OjZpE)

300 The notion that science is ever settled is ludicrous.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 17, 2020 08:47 PM (+PVrT)


The very definition of science (no doubt merriam-webster has massaged that) is that it's never set in stone. But here we are. Science is settled, and the constitution is always in flux.

Posted by: clutch cargo at October 17, 2020 08:50 PM (8B6Ng)

301 These science and engineer "studies" - - I wonder if that is what leftists are talking about when they say they believe in science.

Posted by: Emmie at October 17, 2020 08:50 PM (4JM5Y)

302

Do I get credits toward an Engineering Studies degree by reading Dilbert cartoons?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 17, 2020 08:50 PM (63Dwl)

303
But all men need a Ph.D. in being a husband. That is where we work our hardest - as part of a spousal unit in 21st Century America.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 17, 2020 08:46 PM (u82oZ)

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I'm joking. Her Majesty is an extraordinary person. She's not a citizen, but you won't find anyone more patriotic. I am ashamed of myself when I contrast her accomplishments to mine.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 17, 2020 08:51 PM (mht8P)

304 It's nice to have some genuine smrt folks around here, and not just insufferable know-it-alls.

Posted by: Insomniac at October 17, 2020 08:51 PM (NWiLs)

305 But instead, by 2009, we had the climategate controversy and the Researchers saying "No, Critics may NOT see my raw data, they'll just try to discredit it!"

I reviewed extensively in academia, on average, a paper a day.

I'd have rejected their paper out of hand, unread, for refusal to deposit their raw data and data reduction algorithms as supplementary material.

A crystallographer at Caltech used to turn up incorrect crystallographic papers by analysis of the supplementary material that every reputable journal demanded (usually amounting to hundreds of pages). That's crystallography. About as hard a science as you're going to find. Usually the problem was misassignment of the space group.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 17, 2020 08:51 PM (+PVrT)

306 The saga of Sir Tim Hunt is a very sad one. I learned from that. We are looking at a Dark Age, without the Age of Reason.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 17, 2020 08:51 PM (u82oZ)

307 I was at the in laws where we wear masks as they are in the older vulnerable demographic. Anyway, I had a little taste of coffee infused rum. With my mask on, I could smell the drink. Now what are the relative sizes of the wuhan virus and the volatile molecules in a rum drink?

There is much speculation that there is a orafecal route of infection. Traditionally, one vector is through contaminated food or water, more recently there is speculation that it comes from the aerosols from uncovered commode flushing.

So you bring up Volatile Organic Compounds (VOC) and while the mask is allegedly capable of reducing the conveyance of "droplets" of whatever, VOCs (like those emitted from trees) aren't stopped at all - as you are able to smell the VOCs from the coffee infused rum.

I submit then that many a case of CoViD-19 is transmitted through flatulence.

In this case, we can have deadly farts.

Posted by: 🐧 at October 17, 2020 08:52 PM (C+evo)

308 296 Just so you can see the nonsense from the other side.

https://tinyurl.com/y3yqn24d

Killing the guy that shot and killed the Proud Boy in Portland was an "assassination".
Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at October 17, 2020 08:49 PM (YynYJ)

I looked at their comments, I tried to make one, I know they'll block me and ban me instantly.

All I said was "An Assassination, huh? So wadda ya gonna do about it, pussy?"

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 17, 2020 08:53 PM (V2Yro)

309 It's nice to have some genuine smrt folks around here, and not just insufferable know-it-alls.

Posted by: Insomniac at October 17, 2020 08:51 PM (NWiLs)

I resemble that remark

Posted by: ... at October 17, 2020 08:53 PM (OZIO9)

310 The very definition of science (no doubt merriam-webster has massaged that) is that it's never set in stone. But here we are. Science is settled, and the constitution is always in flux.
Posted by: clutch cargo at October 17, 2020 08:50 PM (8B6Ng)


I always point to the downfall of the conservation of parity in 1956. Conservation of parity (in short, that atoms didn't know whether they were pointing up or down) was on a par with conservation of energy in physics until two Chinese guys at the National Bureau of Standards showed definitively the parity was NOT conserved in the gamma emissions of 60-cobalt (IIRC).

Off to Stockholm for them, despite the lack of diversity in their research group.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 17, 2020 08:54 PM (+PVrT)

311 I am ashamed of myself when I contrast her accomplishments to mine.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh

Good Sir, you can stand tall. I appreciate your culture and accomplishments.

I was going to surprise you, but I finally got a letter out to you today. I was in bad shape a while back, but am doing better.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 17, 2020 08:54 PM (u82oZ)

312 281 -- I was stupid. I didn't catch on to what was happening behind the scenes until W. During his second term, I kept thinking to myself that the State Dept. had an entirely different agenda than W. Then I'd tell myself I was being paranoid.

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- current occupation: cat furniture at October 17, 2020 08:55 PM (yHHWj)

313 This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it.

Posted by: Admiral Josh Painter at October 17, 2020 08:55 PM (JUOKG)

314 >>One of SNL's only funny sketches was of Reagan, and I think they nailed it.

Jokes have to have a lot of truth in them to be funny - this one did.

Posted by: Boswell at October 17, 2020 08:55 PM (w2LAm)

315 My best friend's dad was an Architect. Took me on a drive in his white Porsche around Silver Spring, Rockville, and Gaithersburg Maryland. He took me to about 4-5 buildings he personally designed, not built. Architects don't build, they design.

His professional liability insurance back then was well into the 100's of millions of dollars.

I decided to smoke pot for a year instead.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 17, 2020 08:50 PM (3H9h1)


Sounds awfully familiar. I even went so far as getting an AA in architecture (only because I bailed). Switched universities. A couple of things made me change my mind.

One was seeing one of the young architects at my parent's architect's firm digging a ditch for a french drain with the Mexicans in the rain. The other was seeing what he'd been working on in the office for 5 years. Basically drawing door jamb details.

About 5 years after I graduated I had my own business.

Posted by: clutch cargo at October 17, 2020 08:56 PM (8B6Ng)

316 At least someone on our side finally tried to bring Alinsky-style protests to Twitter's front door!
Posted by: zombie at October 17, 2020 08:52 PM (HEEq1


The burning times are almost here.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 17, 2020 08:56 PM (3aLWR)

317 Insomniac I am in awe sometimes, and frightened some might read my rambling.

Posted by: Skip at October 17, 2020 08:56 PM (OjZpE)

318 The Romans would make a bridge architect, or supervisor, stand under the bridge while soldiers would knock out the wooden forms that had held it up while being constructed.

Posted by: Attila the unready at October 17, 2020 08:57 PM (w7KSn)

319 316 There's a pretty funny Claymation video on Reagan, set to the Da Doo Ron Ron song by the Crystals. "Oh, he can really act" "Yeah, he hates the Warsaw Pact".

Posted by: bill in arkansas at October 17, 2020 08:59 PM (I58tH)

320 Zombie

Now if only the Leftists would move to the next stage, purging the internal traitors while leaving the rest of us alone.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 17, 2020 08:59 PM (p3tmI)

321 We are looking at a Dark Age, without the Age of Reason.

Sure seems like it.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 17, 2020 08:59 PM (EgshT)

322 >>The Romans would make a bridge architect, or supervisor, stand under the bridge while soldiers would knock out the wooden forms that had held it up while being constructed.

And we allow politicians to absolve themselves from living under the laws they write to rule us.

Might be a part of where we went wrong.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 17, 2020 08:59 PM (ZLI7S)

323 280 >>> The "big guy" got 10% of Hunter's Chinese payoff deal, according to the texts between Hunter and the business partner that he burned. Biz partner kept the texts/emails.
~~~~~

I think the "big guy" was Obama, not Biden, because Joe is mentioned elsewhere as JB and Pop.
Posted by: IrishEi at October 17, 2020 08:45 PM (sGotD)

Nope, the big guy is Dad. Hunter texts with his biz partners and some family members.

Peter Schweitzer report from Friday, he was given 26,000 texts from Hunter's biz partner who got screwed by Hunter, and these texts are different from the 33,000 texts from the computer repair guy.

This is the Biden Crime Family in action. Smoking gun.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at October 17, 2020 08:59 PM (sy5kK)

324 At least someone on our side finally tried to bring Alinsky-style protests to Twitter's front door!
Posted by: zombie at October 17, 2020 08:52 PM (HEEq1)


Yes, I see twatter is saying maybe SF doesn't like fascists. I think that was in response to some poor black guy getting all of his teeth knocked out.

I love the comical's utterly predictable headline "Violence breaks out as pro-Trump, anti-fascists groups clash"

Fuck you you utter hacks. Anti-fascist my pasty white ass.

Posted by: clutch cargo at October 17, 2020 09:00 PM (8B6Ng)

325 I was stupid. I didn't catch on to what was happening behind the scenes until W. During his second term, I kept thinking to myself that the State Dept. had an entirely different agenda than W. Then I'd tell myself I was being paranoid.
Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- current occupation: cat furniture at October 17, 2020 08:55 PM (yHHWj)


I believe that W, as a relative outsider, saw the problems and earnestly wanted to fix them. But he was hamstrung by the fact that he trusted and became reliant on all the establishment folks that he knew through his dad. The deep state hamstrung him throughout his presidency.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at October 17, 2020 09:00 PM (sTnpX)

326 Also, no idea can "proved." It can only be disproven. Ideas that have withstood intense scrutiny without being falsified - so far - are tentatively accepted as valid models. Until an experiment that falsifies them. The notion that science is ever settled is ludicrous.

That is why the Mask Karens proclaim that masks don't protect the wearer, but protect others.

That claim can not be falsified.

(well, at least not ethically)

Posted by: 🐧 at October 17, 2020 09:01 PM (C+evo)

327 " ... the educational foundations of our society are presently being eroded by a rising tide of mediocrity that threatens our very future as a Nation and a people... If an unfriendly foreign power had attempted to impose on America the mediocre educational performance that exists today, we might well have viewed it as an act of war."

-- James J. Harvey (primary author), A Nation at Risk: The Imperative for Educational Reform, the 1983 report of the U.S. National Commission on Excellence in Education.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at October 17, 2020 09:01 PM (DMUuz)

328 > Posted by: clutch cargo...

And the sad thing is, architects went from "designers" to doorstops in less than a decade. Maybe CAD is responsible, I dunno.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 17, 2020 09:01 PM (3H9h1)

329 I've thought at times about saying "fuck it" and going back to school to study architecture, but I realize I'd probably be miserable. Right now the plan is to start this new job and hopefully start taking metalworking classes again, so I can can get an artisan blacksmith certification.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at October 17, 2020 09:02 PM (sTnpX)

330 Right now the plan is to start this new job and hopefully start taking metalworking classes again, so I can can get an artisan blacksmith certification.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile

That sounds like an excellent plan. Good luck!

Posted by: AZ deplorably isolated at October 17, 2020 09:03 PM (gtatv)

331 These days University is the pause button to life.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 17, 2020 09:03 PM (u82oZ)

332 My family has a cottage in Janesville. Cousins were giving me shit that I should take my 90 something aunt up to the rally. She calls me when she gets down about Trump and tells me she has to live long enough to see him re-elected. I'd love to go up and listen to the wind in the little restaurants around town.

Posted by: dartist at October 17, 2020 09:04 PM (+ya+t)

333 The very definition of science (no doubt merriam-webster has massaged that) is that it's never set in stone. But here we are. Science is settled, and the constitution is always in flux.
Posted by: clutch cargo at October 17, 2020 08:50 PM (8B6Ng)


Science is about constructing models to understand observations.

Think about an auto mechanic. A car's battery keeps discharging overnight. First conjecture: maybe the battery is failing. Experiment: disconnect the battery, charge it up, and check it the next day. Result: no problem.

First conjecture is rejected. Maybe there's a parasitical drain on the battery. Experiment: interpose an ammeter between the battery's anode and the connection to the car's circuit. Result: the mechanic measure 800 ma. Uh oh. Something is drawing a shitload of current from the battery.

Second conjecture: it's one of the car's circuits. Which one? Start pulling fuses and measuring the parasitical current. When you finally pull one and the parasitical current drops, it's THAT circuit.

What's on that circuit? Etc. Now we're narrowing down where the problem arises.

That is a prosaic example of the scientific method, at which auto mechanics are very proficient indeed. Much more so than many liberals who would deprecate their intellectual prowess, and could never find the problem on their own.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 17, 2020 09:04 PM (+PVrT)

334 The problem is that this pernicious nonsense is now being taught under the aegis of science, when it is in fact no such thing. It is an example of what David Burge (IIRC) has aptly characterized as the left killing a respected institution, wearing its skin, and demanding respect. The question is: how to combat this?

Speaking of Iowahawk, his twitter feed is back up under a new handle. It's @karmasjanitor. He's waiting to see if his past tweets can be recovered.

Posted by: Moonbeam at October 17, 2020 09:04 PM (qe5CM)

335 Captain Josepha Sabin -- current occupation: cat furniture

Such cogent posts! Hope you and the XO are thriving.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 17, 2020 09:04 PM (u82oZ)

336
These days University is the pause button to life.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 17, 2020 09:03 PM (u82oZ)

-------------

You get the education you work for.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 17, 2020 09:04 PM (mht8P)

337 That sounds like an excellent plan. Good luck!
Posted by: AZ deplorably isolated at October 17, 2020 09:03 PM (gtatv)


Thanks! The job is supposedly telework part of the time, and may be going to full time telework. If the latter, I may forgo moving to Virginia and instead move to Austin. Austin CC has a blacksmithing course that has evening classes.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at October 17, 2020 09:05 PM (sTnpX)

338 333 These days University is the pause button to life.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 17, 2020 09:03 PM (u82oZ)


All too often, it's late adolescent day care.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 17, 2020 09:05 PM (+PVrT)

339
Other Biden Crime Family emails show that Joe was completely aware of the Chinese payoffs, as well as lots of other corruption.

Hunter specifically "held" the Big Guy's cut, so the big guy wouldn't get caught. Heh. Says so right in the email string.

Both Rudy and Peter are still reviewing the emails, 33,000 and 26,000 are a lot to review and analyze.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at October 17, 2020 09:05 PM (sy5kK)

340 Is it just me or is Trump confusing Michigan and Wisconsin?

Posted by: Tami at October 17, 2020 09:06 PM (cF8AT)

341 336-

Oops- I guess that might be old news by now.

Posted by: Moonbeam at October 17, 2020 09:06 PM (qe5CM)

342 Right now the plan is to start this new job and hopefully start taking metalworking classes again, so I can can get an artisan blacksmith certification.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at October 17, 2020 09:02 PM (sTnpX)

I honestly think you could get a lot of enjoyment from a blacksmith certification! and when all the cars are gone, we're gonna need someone to make horseshoes again.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 17, 2020 09:07 PM (V2Yro)

343 That is why the Mask Karens proclaim that masks don't protect the wearer, but protect others.

That claim can not be falsified.

(well, at least not ethically)
Posted by: .. at October 17, 2020 09:01 PM (C+evo)


A modest proposal: before we accept anyone's analysis, we demand that the analyst prove his ability to parallel park.

That would put a stop to a lot of this crap.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 17, 2020 09:07 PM (+PVrT)

344 Any university course that is eligible for government money should be required to be offered in the evenings on a triennial basis.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at October 17, 2020 09:07 PM (sTnpX)

345 To this day I honestly admire people who can put pen/pencil to paper and have shit made IRL from that.

That's not science, it's art.

I sometimes have a brief flash of this and slap together a small planter for herbs made from scratch wood that I don't measure or even cut with the proper tools. I just "know" what it should be.

Usually in a month or two it will "be" in the trash. But the effort was there.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 17, 2020 09:08 PM (3H9h1)

346 Nope, the big guy is Dad. Hunter texts with his biz partners and some family members.



Peter Schweitzer report from Friday, he was given 26,000 texts from
Hunter's biz partner who got screwed by Hunter, and these texts are
different from the 33,000 texts from the computer repair guy.



This is the Biden Crime Family in action. Smoking gun.





Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at October 17, 2020 08:59 PM (sy5kK)


The Bidens are as dirty as they get and all we're getting from the MFM and FBI is that it's a Russian disinformation campaign to smear Biden.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 17, 2020 09:08 PM (7ma9a)

347 Both Rudy and Peter are still reviewing the emails, 33,000 and 26,000 are a lot to review and analyze.





Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at October 17, 2020 09:05 PM (sy5kK)


That is until the FBI kicks down their doors at 3am

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 17, 2020 09:09 PM (7ma9a)

348 Rudy Giuliani on the emails, "it shows that Hunter is an unregistered foreign agent."

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 17, 2020 09:09 PM (p3tmI)

349 The Bidens are as dirty as they get and all we're getting from the MFM and FBI is that it's a Russian disinformation campaign to smear Biden.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 17, 2020 09:08 PM (7ma9a)

Debunked! Discredited! Refuted!

Posted by: Insomniac at October 17, 2020 09:09 PM (NWiLs)

350 PATP


It's just disgusting.

These people should be in jail not out doing book tours.

And yet there they are.

Posted by: blaster at October 17, 2020 09:09 PM (ZfRYq)

351 I believe that W, as a relative outsider, saw the problems and earnestly wanted to fix them. But he was hamstrung by the fact that he trusted and became reliant on all the establishment folks that he knew through his dad. The deep state hamstrung him throughout his presidency.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at October 17, 2020 09:00 PM (sTnpX)
~~~~~

I used to think that, but no more. Endless war and his numerous attempts at amnesty for illegals. The Bushes are the Deep State and are dead to me.

Posted by: IrishEi at October 17, 2020 09:09 PM (sGotD)

352 A Republic - If You Can Keep It - Part 1
https://tinyurl.com/y53ragkn

A Republic - If You Can Keep It - Part 2
https://tinyurl.com/yxcf6mls


Posted by: SMH at October 17, 2020 09:10 PM (RU4sa)

353 "Violence breaks out as pro-Trump, anti-fascists groups clash"

No. A group of citizens gathered to peacefully exercise their first amendment rights, and then a bunch of fascist thugs violently attacked them. (Including this guy: https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-philip-anderson-fix-his-teeth)

Posted by: exdemocrat at October 17, 2020 09:11 PM (GmndG)

354 Wait. Are you saying that phrenology and dowsing aren't real?

Posted by: a.moron at October 17, 2020 09:11 PM (bjCNA)

355 Tom Servo, blacksmiths generally don't take to kindly to being lumped in with farriers.

Posted by: f'd at October 17, 2020 09:12 PM (Rx3dp)

356 I used to think that, but no more. Endless war and his numerous attempts at amnesty for illegals. The Bushes are the Deep State and are dead to me.
Posted by: IrishEi at October 17, 2020 09:09 PM (sGotD)


The amnesty was entirely a mixture of Texas politics and reliance on the professional consultant class. As for the wars, by 2008 Iraq was largely pacified, and Bush didn't make the large scale commitments to Afghanistan that Obama did. Bush expected Obama to continue the then current direction because it was slowly working. By 2009 the Iranians were on the ropes and all that was needed was a good push. Instead Obama bailed them out, betrayed the protesters, and basically tried to cede control of the Middle East to the mullahs.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at October 17, 2020 09:13 PM (sTnpX)

357 Wait. Are you saying that phrenology and dowsing aren't real?

Posted by: a.moron

They are to some. Don't be one of them.

Posted by: AZ deplorably isolated at October 17, 2020 09:13 PM (gtatv)

358 327 -- I liked W. I thought he was well meaning and I liked the way he treated the presidency. Like Trump, he never appeared in public in anything other than a business suit and tie. After eight years of Clinton buffoonery, it was nice to have someone professional in office. I got a bit miffed with him during his second term when he and Condi went squishy on Israel and the Palis.

The year he was inaugurated, he and Laura came to Omaha to watch one of the College World Series games. I equated that with other fans who came to Omaha for the CWS not because they were supporting their home team, but simply because they loved the game played on that level, and they enjoyed being with other such enthusiasts.

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- current occupation: cat furniture at October 17, 2020 09:13 PM (yHHWj)

359 It's nice to have some genuine smrt folks around here, and not just insufferable know-it-alls.
Posted by: Insomniac
----

I'm considering championing a resurrection of the Know Nothing Party.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 17, 2020 09:13 PM (830x5)

360 Tom Servo, blacksmiths generally don't take to kindly to being lumped in with farriers.
Posted by: f'd at October 17, 2020 09:12 PM (Rx3dp)


I actually considered taking a farrier course (there's on in Missouri that's six months long), but at 38 I'm probably getting too old to start doing that shit now.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at October 17, 2020 09:14 PM (sTnpX)

361 I think one of GWB's biggest problem was that he spent way too much time listening to Karl F'in Rove.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 17, 2020 09:14 PM (V2Yro)

362 Wait. Are you saying that phrenology and dowsing aren't real?

Posted by: a.moron
---------

Astral projection?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 17, 2020 09:15 PM (830x5)

363 Flynn still hasn't had his case dropped.

I think Sullivan will sentence Nov 2.

Posted by: blaster at October 17, 2020 09:16 PM (ZfRYq)

364 Wait. Are you saying that phrenology and dowsing aren't real?

I know I'll catch some shit but I worked for a public works sup that used bent coat hangers to find water main and service leaks under the frost in winter. Never missed one.

Posted by: dartist at October 17, 2020 09:17 PM (+ya+t)

365 My Dad was a real fan of horse racing. Last couple years he was alive, he had managed to swing paddock passes at two local tracks. He always made a point to talk to the farriers, finding out about the shoes before they went up on the board.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at October 17, 2020 09:18 PM (I58tH)

366 Did y'all know Rush is now on twitter?!

https://tinyurl.com/y2yogz74

Posted by: Tami at October 17, 2020 09:19 PM (cF8AT)

367 337 -- Nacly -- Yes, we are both doing as well as can be expected. A few aches and pains, but we're more or less hobbling along as usual. Hope you and your lovely lady are doing well. Now that school is back in session, life should be better for both of you.

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- current occupation: cat furniture at October 17, 2020 09:19 PM (yHHWj)

368 Rove is, I know,
just another rino,
a deepstater goon,
a Gope cartoon.

Posted by: Eromero at October 17, 2020 09:19 PM (XhWtx)

369 Astral projection?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 17, 2020 09:15 PM (830x5)


I will look up your assstrological sign for you.

Posted by: Shep! at October 17, 2020 09:20 PM (VcFUs)

370 Get off me you lisping fake news questionable gender preference sock!

Posted by: BifBewalski AOS Moron at October 17, 2020 09:21 PM (VcFUs)

371 Shoeing horses is a craft in itself and what most people think of first when they hear about blacksmithing. Blacksmiths can do so much more than make horseshoes though. Like make a gun.

Posted by: f'd at October 17, 2020 09:21 PM (Rx3dp)

372 I know I'll catch some shit but I worked for a public works sup that used bent coat hangers to find water main and service leaks under the frost in winter. Never missed one.
Posted by: dartist at October 17, 2020 09:17 PM (+ya+t)

I've known a couple people who believed in it, and who could make it work. I can't explain it and won't try, but it seemed to work fore them.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 17, 2020 09:22 PM (V2Yro)

373 In 2015, I represented some tenant-friends against their landlord. When I finally got a hold of his emails to/from his property manager (through discovery), holy sh*t, it was mind-blowing what was being said.

Posted by: SFGoth at October 17, 2020 09:22 PM (KAi1n)

374 366 -- Cemetery workers douse for graves. If the wires or sticks bend one way, it's a male's grave. A different way, it's a female.

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- current occupation: cat furniture at October 17, 2020 09:22 PM (yHHWj)

375 When I say I want to take more blacksmithing classes and set up my own workshop people always ask, "oh, so you want to make knives and swords?" Nope. That's a very specialized skill. I'd much rather have a forge and a woodshop and furnish my house with furniture I make myself.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at October 17, 2020 09:23 PM (sTnpX)

376 BifBewalski,

You just can't restrain us, from looking at Uranus.
Shep, reanowned asstromometricist

Posted by: Eromero at October 17, 2020 09:23 PM (XhWtx)

377 373 Shoeing horses is a craft in itself and what most people think of first when they hear about blacksmithing. Blacksmiths can do so much more than make horseshoes though. Like make a gun.
Posted by: f'd at October 17, 2020 09:21 PM (Rx3dp)

I want someone to make Viking axes.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 17, 2020 09:23 PM (V2Yro)

378 366 Wait. Are you saying that phrenology and dowsing aren't real?

I know I'll catch some shit but I worked for a public works sup that used bent coat hangers to find water main and service leaks under the frost in winter. Never missed one.
Posted by: dartist at October 17, 2020 09:17 PM (+ya+t)

Work for a PE who specializes in repair/replace septic fields, swears by dowsing.

Posted by: random lurker commenter at October 17, 2020 09:24 PM (48RE5)

379
When the moon is in the Seventh House,
and Jupiter aligns with Mars,
then peace will guide the planets,
and love will steer the stars.

Posted by: The 5th Dimension at October 17, 2020 09:24 PM (DMUuz)

380 378 BifBewalski,

You just can't restrain us, from looking at Uranus.
Shep, reanowned asstromometricist
Posted by: Eromero at October 17, 2020 09:23 PM (XhWtx)



Do you like twins? How about twin gladiators?

Posted by: Gemini at October 17, 2020 09:26 PM (VcFUs)

381 What's the science behind dowsing?

Posted by: f'd at October 17, 2020 09:26 PM (Rx3dp)

382 >>> Nope, the big guy is Dad. Hunter texts with his biz partners and some family members.
~~~~~

Do you think Obama let all of this happen right under his nose and didn't demand a cut?

Posted by: IrishEi at October 17, 2020 09:26 PM (sGotD)

383 The 5th Dimension @ 381- Now do Easy To Be Hard.

Posted by: Eromero at October 17, 2020 09:26 PM (XhWtx)

384 I'm all tapped out. Really you guys. It's safe now.

Posted by: Eric Cartman s1e1 at October 17, 2020 09:26 PM (VcFUs)

385 All done socks now. Miklos can have this stuff.

Posted by: BifBewalski AOS Moron at October 17, 2020 09:27 PM (VcFUs)

386 Trump is having another happy day. You can hardly tell he's 10 points down in the imaginary polls.

Posted by: Splunge at October 17, 2020 09:28 PM (dOV9E)

387 "Other Biden Crime Family emails show that Joe was completely aware of the Chinese payoffs, as well as lots of other corruption.

Hunter specifically "held" the Big Guy's cut, so the big guy wouldn't get caught. Heh. Says so right in the email string.

Both Rudy and Peter are still reviewing the emails, 33,000 and 26,000 are a lot to review and analyze"

If only we, as citizen-taxpayers, had an organization, maybe two, that we pay for, and for which work hundreds, nay, thousands, of investigators and lawyers, to assist, or even diligently and earnestly take over for, the work of two private citizens investigating the criminal acts of other public servants, whose salaries we citizen-taxpayers also pay. This is a country whose newsletter I should like to inquire about.

Posted by: Drink Like Vikings at October 17, 2020 09:28 PM (cdm0u)

388 0400 is gonna be early in the morning. Fried baloney and egg sammiches with strong black coffee for breakfast. It's the only way.

Posted by: Eromero at October 17, 2020 09:28 PM (XhWtx)

389 382 378 BifBewalski,

You just can't restrain us, from looking at Uranus.
Shep, reanowned asstromometricist
Posted by: Eromero at October 17, 2020 09:23 PM (XhWtx)

paging Hope Solo, paging Hope Solo...

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 17, 2020 09:29 PM (V2Yro)

390 Omg...I'm an idiot.

I just left C-span on after the MI rally thinking they'd go to the WI rally next. I just realized I've been rewatching the MI rally...

I need some sleep. oy.

Posted by: Tami at October 17, 2020 09:29 PM (cF8AT)

391 After we had the Age of Aquarius everything was supposed to be hunky dory. Once again Science has failed us.

Posted by: f'd at October 17, 2020 09:29 PM (Rx3dp)

392 Tom Servo a battle axe could be handy in the zombie or burning time apocalypse

Posted by: Skip at October 17, 2020 09:30 PM (OjZpE)

393 Do you think Obama let all of this happen right under his nose and didn't demand a cut?
Posted by: IrishEi

Well, Obama let Reggie do that thing in his mouth that he said he wouldn't do, and that's right under his nose too.

Posted by: Drink Like Vikings at October 17, 2020 09:30 PM (cdm0u)

394 Ok, found the WI rally just as he was saying "Thank you Wisconsin!"

Truly...I'm a dope.

Posted by: Tami at October 17, 2020 09:30 PM (cF8AT)

395 Without modern medicine I would be long dead. Got a negative covid test and a positive stress test this week, so I'm good.

Posted by: Javems at October 17, 2020 09:30 PM (ofIwF)

396 No way Biden can touch this guy, polls are bullshit.

Posted by: dartist at October 17, 2020 09:31 PM (+ya+t)

397 Nice rant, Jay, but it's worthy of having your name on it.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 17, 2020 09:31 PM (po6eS)

398 Tami, Trump just finished in WI.

His level of energy is amazing

Posted by: My life is insanity at October 17, 2020 09:31 PM (Z/jzm)

399 OK, the Democrats have nominated someone who is senile and against whom there are extremely credible allegations of serious lifelong corruption, but really, what is there for Democrats not to like?

Posted by: Splunge at October 17, 2020 09:31 PM (dOV9E)

400 I want someone to make Viking axes.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 17, 2020 09:23 PM


https://preview.tinyurl.com/y59574gq

Now, do your own:

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y6l3t3ll

Posted by: Duncanthrax at October 17, 2020 09:33 PM (DMUuz)

401 400 Tami, Trump just finished in WI.

His level of energy is amazing

Posted by: My life is insanity at October 17, 2020 09:31 PM (Z/jzm)

It sure is!

And I can't even find the right feed to watch....

Posted by: Tami at October 17, 2020 09:33 PM (cF8AT)

402 ah the Dems could nominate a used truck tire and the sheep would line up to vote for it

Posted by: DB- just DB. at October 17, 2020 09:33 PM (iTXRQ)

403 Tami OAN showed both Michigan and Wisconsin, gave up on Wisconsin so no ide if it's over

Posted by: Skip at October 17, 2020 09:33 PM (OjZpE)

404 Do like Hungary did and abolish all "studies" departments at their universities. The government declared that "studies" programs were not education at all but a waste of time and resources and therefore illegitimate in a academic setting. And that is precisely what they are - navel gazing elevated to fake 'respectability".
Posted by: LGoPs at October 17, 2020 07:25 PM (/a3Ep)

If I recollect correctly, back in the late '60's - early '70's, "Asian Studies" was what one enrolled in to learn Chinese or Japanese. AFAIK, it was not politicized.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 17, 2020 09:34 PM (po6eS)

405 MLii how cold is it there

Posted by: Skip at October 17, 2020 09:34 PM (OjZpE)

406 401 OK, the Democrats have nominated someone who is senile and against whom there are extremely credible allegations of serious lifelong corruption, but really, what is there for Democrats not to like?
Posted by: Splunge at October 17, 2020 09:31 PM (dOV9E)

I posted Guiliani's latest rundown of the scandal on Facebook and my idiot cousin came back with "but that's all the product of Putin, who is running Trump, so it's all a lie."

I told him to have fun voting for a rapist mobster come November.

Posted by: tcn in AK at October 17, 2020 09:34 PM (qQnCr)

407 Right Side Broadcasting shows it in entirety, a bit annoying with the donor scrawl under, but they don't talk through the speech

Posted by: My life is insanity at October 17, 2020 09:35 PM (Z/jzm)

408 399 Nice rant, Jay, but it's worthy of having your name on it.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 17, 2020 09:31 PM (po6eS)


Thanks, AOP!

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 17, 2020 09:35 PM (YqDXo)

409 It's not too cold right now Skip, upper 50s, but high winds

Posted by: My life is insanity at October 17, 2020 09:36 PM (Z/jzm)

410 They were bundled up but even winds would cause that

Posted by: Skip at October 17, 2020 09:37 PM (OjZpE)

411 Complicated designs are easy, simple (elegant) designs are hard. That's just the way it is.

Posted by: NativeNH at October 17, 2020 09:37 PM (iGvRD)

412 Hadrian, will you be at the TxMoMe?

Posted by: Gref at October 17, 2020 09:37 PM (AMIL/)

413 411 It's not too cold right now Skip, upper 50s, but high winds

Posted by: My life is insanity at October 17, 2020 09:36 PM (Z/jzm)

It's been windy as hell here in MO too. Stuff flying all over the neighborhood.

Posted by: Tami at October 17, 2020 09:37 PM (cF8AT)

414 The flags were straight out

Posted by: My life is insanity at October 17, 2020 09:37 PM (Z/jzm)

415 Wasn't astral projection some huge new age bullshit in the 90s?

Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 17, 2020 09:37 PM (3aLWR)

416 okay here's some science for you

OTC wart remover and OTC corn remover are the same thing


mindblown

Posted by: DB- just DB. at October 17, 2020 09:38 PM (iTXRQ)

417 ..How did he get to Wisconsin already? F-15 twin seater?
Posted by: Skip at October 17, 2020 07:56 PM (OjZpE)
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It was maybe 5:30 eastern. I didn't look at my watch but maybe 2.5 - 3 hours ago. It was the 757, not the big 747.

Posted by: Weasel at October 17, 2020 08:00 PM (MVjcR)



Maximum Cruise speed on that 757 is going to be about 550 mph, with 525-ish being the more normal, fuel-conserving power setting.

The 747 is still the fastest large passenger jet in the skies, with the ability to cruise at 645 mph, and burning absolutely insane quantities of fuel in the doing.

625 is the more common power setting, and on long trans Pacific flights, that might come down to 600, just to maximize fuel economy.

Our commenter "CitationX Driver" would be more of an expert here, but the Cessna Citation X he pilots is about as fast as the 747, but without the incredible range of the Jumbo.

I'm thinking A.F. 1 is getting President Trump to these rallies at the upper end of the envelope.

Money well spent, I'd say.



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at October 17, 2020 09:38 PM (QzJWU)

418 I posted Guiliani's latest rundown of the scandal on Facebook and my idiot cousin came back with "but that's all the product of Putin, who is running Trump, so it's all a lie."

I told him to have fun voting for a rapist mobster come November.
Posted by: tcn in AK at October 17, 2020 09:34 PM (qQnCr)

You're cousin is truly and deeply an idiot. And mainstream Democrat/ Progtard.

Posted by: Balrog of Morgoth at October 17, 2020 09:38 PM (CLteG)

419 383 What's the science behind dowsing?

Posted by: f'd at October 17, 2020 09:26 PM (Rx3dp)


There is none. However, as others here have mentioned, some people seem to have the ability to make it work.

I'm a skeptic, but it does seem to work for some people. Maybe luck, maybe some kind of parlor trick sleight-of-hand thing.

Posted by: a.moron at October 17, 2020 09:38 PM (bjCNA)

420 I can't say up for ONT, no matter how late I'm up I still wake up at 4am.
Goodnight horde, sleep tight.

Posted by: Skip at October 17, 2020 09:38 PM (OjZpE)

421 Listening to the SECOND Trump rally of the day in WI, on rsbnetwork.com, after a big rally in MI earlier this afternoon.

Listen to the energy in his voice, in this second hour of the WI rally.

It's immense. And real. And spectacular.



Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at October 17, 2020 09:38 PM (sy5kK)

422 Mom's huge maple had about 90% of it's leaves yesterday. Late afternoon, I'd estimate it's at 50% or less

Posted by: My life is insanity at October 17, 2020 09:39 PM (Z/jzm)

423 408 I posted Guiliani's latest rundown of the scandal on Facebook and my idiot cousin came back with "but that's all the product of Putin, who is running Trump, so it's all a lie."

I told him to have fun voting for a rapist mobster come November.
Posted by: tcn in AK at October 17, 2020 09:34 PM (qQnCr)


I once knew a therapist whose policy was "I do not work with the severely disturbed."

That's a good policy for life in general.

Posted by: Splunge at October 17, 2020 09:39 PM (dOV9E)

424
see you in the morning, Skip

Posted by: AltonJackson at October 17, 2020 09:39 PM (tj1pY)

425 You're cousin is truly and deeply an idiot. And mainstream Democrat/ Progtard.
Posted by: Balrog of Morgoth at October 17, 2020 09:38 PM (CLteG)

I guess I should be glad he's not a cousin-humper. Not sure if he has all of his teeth.

Posted by: tcn in AK at October 17, 2020 09:40 PM (qQnCr)

426 The Dems had no problem voting for a draft dodging , active adulterer in 1992 and a Muslim loving , communist raised , military hating light weight in 2008. A corrupt retard doesn't move the needle for them.

Posted by: Weaning is hard at October 17, 2020 09:40 PM (2DOZq)

427 Sleep well Skip.

The night I'm exhauste, mom decides she's wide awake! Go figure.

Posted by: My life is insanity at October 17, 2020 09:40 PM (Z/jzm)

428 It's immense. And real. And spectacular.



Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at October 17, 2020 09:38 PM (sy5kK)


Yuuuuge.

Posted by: tcn in AK at October 17, 2020 09:41 PM (qQnCr)

429 413 Complicated designs are easy, simple (elegant) designs are hard. That's just the way it is.
Posted by: NativeNH at October 17, 2020 09:37 PM (iGvRD)


Yup. I was recently in email conversation with a Japanese guy who was working to convey exactly this to me. It was pretty clear that he regarded this as something any Japanese craftsman understands, but that it required elaboration for Westerners.

Posted by: Splunge at October 17, 2020 09:41 PM (dOV9E)

430 An estwing roofing hammer makes a pretty effective battle ax.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos (meh, it's a living) at October 17, 2020 09:42 PM (3DZIZ)

431 >> It's immense. And real. And spectacular.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at October 17, 2020 09:38 PM (sy5kK)

He is so genuine. I love his tangents, and sense of humor.

Posted by: My life is insanity at October 17, 2020 09:42 PM (Z/jzm)

432 413 Complicated designs are easy, simple (elegant) designs are hard. That's just the way it is.
Posted by: NativeNH at October 17, 2020 09:37 PM (iGvRD

You trying to insult German engineers?

Posted by: Weaning is hard at October 17, 2020 09:43 PM (2DOZq)

433 It was maybe 5:30 eastern. I didn't look at my watch but maybe 2.5 - 3 hours ago. It was the 757, not the big 747.

Posted by: Weasel at October 17, 2020 08:00 PM (MVjcR)

Think of the mods a POTUS jet could have. Plus Trump probably plugs into the jet and wills it to transcend time and space. I hear it's really cool and all the boobs on the plane get plump with highbeams raging.

Posted by: Balrog of Morgoth at October 17, 2020 09:43 PM (CLteG)

434 Nothing better than a Trump rally!

Posted by: Weasel at October 17, 2020 09:44 PM (MVjcR)

435 Last simple elegant Japanese vehicle I saw was a Datsun 1600 pickup.

Posted by: f'd at October 17, 2020 09:44 PM (Rx3dp)

436 The Dems had no problem voting for a draft dodging , active adulterer in 1992 and a Muslim loving , communist raised , military hating light weight in 2008. A corrupt retard doesn't move the needle for them.
Posted by: Weaning is hard at October 17, 2020 09:40 PM (2DOZq)

--------

Democrats' only value is power. It's its own morality, into itself. The only thing that matters to their base voters is that the candidate is a Dem. If Jesus returned and said "Vote Trump in 2020," a third of this country would shout "KILL HIM AGAIN AND MAKE SURE IT STICKS THIS TIME!!!!"

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 17, 2020 09:44 PM (eXmcp)

437 Great post Jay. Thanks.

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at October 17, 2020 09:46 PM (d9Cw3)

438
Hadrian, will you be at the TxMoMe?
Posted by: Gref at October 17, 2020 09:37 PM (AMIL/)

--------------

Sadly, no.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 17, 2020 09:46 PM (mht8P)

439 413 Complicated designs are easy, simple (elegant) designs are hard. That's just the way it is.

Posted by: NativeNH at October 17, 2020 09:37 PM (iGvRD



You trying to insult German engineers?

Posted by: Weaning is hard at October 17, 2020 09:43 PM (2DOZq)


My spirit still lives in all corporate IT projects.

Posted by: Rube Goldberg at October 17, 2020 09:46 PM (2N7oZ)

440 437
Last simple elegant Japanese vehicle I saw was a Datsun 1600 pickup.

Posted by: f'd at October 17, 2020 09:44 PM (Rx3dp)


1st and 2nd generation Mazda Miata. 3rd and 4th gen lost the simple elegance.

Posted by: davidt at October 17, 2020 09:47 PM (l3+k2)

441 How to combat it? Start up the rotors!

Posted by: Wilbeforce at October 17, 2020 09:47 PM (WwvPi)

442 1st and 2nd generation Mazda Miata. 3rd and 4th gen lost the simple elegance.
Posted by: davidt at October 17, 2020 09:47 PM (l3+k2)

They had to keep it simple for all the sorority girls driving them.

Posted by: Weaning is hard at October 17, 2020 09:48 PM (2DOZq)

443 443 How to combat it? Start up the rotors!
Posted by: Wilbeforce at October 17, 2020 09:47 PM (WwvPi)

Pack the leftist scum

Posted by: Insomniac at October 17, 2020 09:48 PM (NWiLs)

444 EFI is not simple. You have to have a computer.

Posted by: f'd at October 17, 2020 09:49 PM (Rx3dp)

445 Just wish our squish governor wasn't so easily directed by that hysteria. Similar to McCain, it seems Deucey *needs* to be loved by the media. He talked a good game back in March-April,but soon joined in with the "Mask-Up AZ" stupidity.
Posted by: Dutch Oven at October 17, 2020 08:04 PM (iXzGa)

Fucker needs a tune-up.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 17, 2020 09:50 PM (9lJhg)

446 Ha. German Engineering...always use a square hole held to +/- .0001 when a drilled one would work perfectly well.

Posted by: NativeNH at October 17, 2020 09:50 PM (iGvRD)

447 #bidenharris2020landslide


is trending

Posted by: DB- just DB. at October 17, 2020 09:50 PM (iTXRQ)

448 No, I contend that an engine compartment that you can see the ground thru is an indication of simplicity.

Posted by: f'd at October 17, 2020 09:51 PM (Rx3dp)

449 The 5th Dimension @ 381- Now do Easy To Be Hard.
Posted by: Eromero at October 17, 2020 09:26 PM


I cover that these days.

Posted by: Bob Dole at October 17, 2020 09:51 PM (DMUuz)

450 Just wish our squish governor wasn't so easily directed by that hysteria. Similar to McCain, it seems Deucey *needs* to be loved by the media. He talked a good game back in March-April,but soon joined in with the "Mask-Up AZ" stupidity.
Posted by: Dutch Oven at October 17, 2020 08:04 PM (iXzGa)

Fucker needs a tune-up.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 17, 2020 09:50 PM (9lJhg)

Now you know how Texas feels.

Posted by: Weaning is hard at October 17, 2020 09:51 PM (2DOZq)

451 Posted by: DB- just DB. at October 17, 2020 09:50 PM (iTXRQ)


That's mostly inside my pants.

Posted by: Brian Stelter at October 17, 2020 09:52 PM (2N7oZ)

452 Really surprised this story didn't make the HQ.

https://preview.tinyurl.com/yxvfn2bm

"The owner of the Washington Football Team threatened to kill the organization's cheerleading coach if he didn't keep the women "skinny with big tits," a new report alleges."

Posted by: Splunge at October 17, 2020 09:52 PM (dOV9E)

453 I'm at the pub but I think I need to go home and scratch my doggie's ears.
But my bartender is telling me who she's sleeping with.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at October 17, 2020 09:52 PM (d8oLB)

454 >No, I contend that an engine compartment that you can see the ground thru is an indication of simplicity.



yes- like my '85 Chevy C10

Posted by: DB- just DB. at October 17, 2020 09:52 PM (iTXRQ)

455
1st and 2nd generation Mazda Miata. 3rd and 4th gen lost the simple elegance.

Posted by: davidt at October 17, 2020 09:47 PM

They had to keep it simple for all the sorority girls driving them.

Posted by: Weaning is hard at October 17, 2020 09:48 PM


you know the Miata joke, right?

"What's the worst part about driving a Mazda Miata?

You finally have to admit to your dad that you're gay you don't own a weed-whacker"

Posted by: AltonJackson at October 17, 2020 09:52 PM (tj1pY)

456 No, I contend that an engine compartment that you can see the ground thru is an indication of simplicity.
Posted by: f'd at October 17, 2020 09:51 PM (Rx3dp)

Flintstones

Posted by: Weaning is hard at October 17, 2020 09:53 PM (2DOZq)

457 I get wanting simple elegance. BUT I've had to ugly up a lot of code that the coworker who hates having a bunch of if thens and so on wrote because real world data going into the program is not pure and pretty so the code needs some ugly IF thens and so on to deal with it. He also likes to write "clean, condensed code" I prefer to have the code be self explanatory since no one likes to write documentation.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at October 17, 2020 09:54 PM (Aashi)

458 Your bartender knows who your dog is sleeping with?

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at October 17, 2020 09:54 PM (H5knJ)

459 "The owner of the Washington Football Team threatened to kill the organization's cheerleading coach if he didn't keep the women "skinny with big tits," a new report alleges."
Posted by: Splunge at October 17, 2020 09:52 PM (dOV9E)

and lesbian love acts, don't forget those.

Posted by: Balrog of Morgoth at October 17, 2020 09:54 PM (CLteG)

460 Ha. German Engineering...always use a square hole held to +/- .0001 when a drilled one would work perfectly well.
Posted by: NativeNH

So "give or take" is not of German provenance?

Posted by: Drink Like Vikings at October 17, 2020 09:54 PM (cdm0u)

461
No, I contend that an engine compartment that you can see the ground thru is an indication of simplicity.

Posted by: f'd at October 17, 2020 09:51 PM


my last one was a 1992 F-150 with the 300 Straight Six

set your toolbox on the radiator, climb up in there and sit on the wheel-well, everything was right there in from of you

Posted by: AltonJackson at October 17, 2020 09:55 PM (tj1pY)

462 The owner of the Washington Football Team threatened to kill the organization's cheerleading coach if he didn't keep the women "skinny with big tits," a new report alleges."
Posted by: Splunge at October 17, 2020 09:52 PM (dOV9E)

and lesbian love acts, don't forget those.
Posted by: Balrog of Morgoth at October 17, 2020 09:54 PM (CLteG)

That's what he gets for capitulating to the mob. You can't placate them. Dumbass.

Posted by: Weaning is hard at October 17, 2020 09:56 PM (2DOZq)

463 I blame the overturning of Prop. 8 for turning me into the rabid, white supremacist, militia-supporting radical that I am today!

Great post, Open Blogger.

Posted by: Gaelic Girl at October 17, 2020 09:56 PM (5FCda)

464 I survived Alar and Radon


Posted by: Weaning is hard at October 17, 2020 08:09 PM (2DOZq)

Heh. Many years ago, I spent several summer months in Uranium City, Saskatchewan, doing surveys at several old mine sites. We stayed in an abandoned house, of which there were many, the main mine and mill having been closed. Needless to say, sacks of ore samples were everywhere.

One day, a knock at the door, a cute little girl in a hard hat. "I'm here to do a radon survey for the Federal Government." I said, "You know, you are wasting your time. We are geologists, with radioactive ore samples on the premises, and any readings you get will be completely spurious." And she went away.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 17, 2020 09:56 PM (9lJhg)

465 >The owner of the Washington Football Team threatened to kill the organization's cheerleading coach if he didn't keep the women "skinny with big tits," a new report alleges."



I find this hard to believe

Posted by: DB- just DB. at October 17, 2020 09:57 PM (iTXRQ)

466 my last one was a 1992 F-150 with the 300 Straight Six

set your toolbox on the radiator, climb up in there and sit on the wheel-well, everything was right there in from of you
Posted by: AltonJackson at October 17, 2020 09:55 PM (tj1pY)

That straight 6 was/ is a good engine. It morphed into the Ecoboost didn't it?

Posted by: Balrog of Morgoth at October 17, 2020 09:57 PM (CLteG)

467 Really surprised this story didn't make the HQ.

https://preview.tinyurl.com/yxvfn2bm

"The owner of the Washington Football Team threatened to kill the organization's cheerleading coach if he didn't keep the women "skinny with big tits," a new report alleges."
Posted by: Splunge

My opinion of DannyBoy just rose a bit off the bottom of the scale.

Posted by: Jean at October 17, 2020 09:58 PM (Xih1H)

468
I'm at the pub but I think I need to go home and scratch my doggie's ears.

But my bartender is telling me who she's sleeping with.

Nothing like sitting in a bar all day dealing with interesting characters coming and going. I'd hate to admit how many years I've spent.

Posted by: dartist at October 17, 2020 09:58 PM (+ya+t)

469 467 >The owner of the Washington Football Team threatened to kill the organization's cheerleading coach if he didn't keep the women "skinny with big tits," a new report alleges."

I find this hard to believe
Posted by: DB- just DB. at October 17, 2020 09:57 PM (iTXRQ)


Would you believe "HWP with C cups?"

Posted by: Zombie Don Adams at October 17, 2020 09:59 PM (dOV9E)

470 Well I never learned to code. Designed foundry equipment for 20 + years. Quit because I had three or four bottles of Malox going at any given time. Spent the next 20 working mountain ops. ( snowcat operator ) summer maintenance. Poor pay but no stress.

Posted by: NativeNH at October 17, 2020 10:00 PM (iGvRD)

471 'my last one was a 1992 F-150 with the 300 Straight Six '

I had a 94 with the six. That was a great truck, but it had FI so not simple. Yes, more fuel efficient than a carb, but once again, electronics are involved.

The Datsun 1600 pickup had a carb, points, and those tie down hooks welded around the outside of the bed. Simple, and elegant.

Posted by: f'd at October 17, 2020 10:00 PM (Rx3dp)

472
That straight 6 was/ is a good engine. It morphed into the Ecoboost didn't it?

Posted by: Balrog of Morgoth at October 17, 2020 09:57 PM


that engine went away with the "new" F-150; they lowered the hood and "rounded" the front end; the 300 Straight Six was too tall to package under the re-designed sheet metal

I was pissed about it for over a decade

Posted by: AltonJackson at October 17, 2020 10:00 PM (tj1pY)

473 ONT

Posted by: hogmartin at October 17, 2020 10:00 PM (t+qrx)

474
ONT

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 17, 2020 10:01 PM (mht8P)

475 I just got back from AZ,looking at a couple park model trailers. Go back in March to seal deal on one. Anyway, some of those little towns in AZ are batshit crazy on wearing masks. What's the deal, local or county government getting high handed?
Posted by: bill in arkansas at October 17, 2020 08:15 PM (I58tH)

Watch out with park models. The site rent can kill you by degrees. It goes on 12 months a year. And some parks, if the trailer ages out, you have to replace it. And some park management makes Nazi HOA's look positively benign.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 17, 2020 10:01 PM (9lJhg)

476 456
>No, I contend that an engine compartment that you can see the ground thru is an indication of simplicity.

First buddy to have a car had rusted holes in the floorboards we threw the empty's out of.

Posted by: dartist at October 17, 2020 10:02 PM (+ya+t)

477 Posted by: NativeNH at October 17, 2020 10:00 PM (iGvRD)

If you do what you love you never work a day in your life. I should have listen to that advice when I entered the job market.

Posted by: Weaning is hard at October 17, 2020 10:02 PM (2DOZq)

478 477 I just got back from AZ,looking at a couple park model trailers. Go back in March to seal deal on one. Anyway, some of those little towns in AZ are batshit crazy on wearing masks. What's the deal, local or county government getting high handed?
Posted by: bill in arkansas at October 17, 2020 08:15 PM (I58tH)

Watch out with park models. The site rent can kill you by degrees. It goes on 12 months a year. And some parks, if the trailer ages out, you have to replace it. And some park management makes Nazi HOA's look positively benign.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 17, 2020 10:01 PM (9lJhg)


What is a park model trailer?

Posted by: Gref at October 17, 2020 10:03 PM (AMIL/)

479 'If you do what you love you never work a day in your life'

Word

Posted by: Hunter at October 17, 2020 10:03 PM (Rx3dp)

480 Obama will be campaigning for Biden in Philly on Wednesday.

That'll probably be the day that the Hunter child porn news breaks.

Posted by: JoeF. at October 17, 2020 10:05 PM (dR6lV)

481 "The owner of the Washington Football Team threatened to kill the organization's cheerleading coach if he didn't keep the women "skinny with big tits," a new report alleges"

So he should cut his losses and call them the Washington Jugs. I would unboycott my hometeam so fast it'd make your head spin.

Posted by: Drink Like Vikings at October 17, 2020 10:09 PM (cdm0u)

482 > Obama will be campaigning for Biden in Philly on Wednesday.



wow
that's some heavy lifting there

Posted by: DB- just DB. at October 17, 2020 10:11 PM (iTXRQ)

483 'If you do what you love you never work a day in your life'

Word
Posted by: Hunter at October 17, 20



You're a role model.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at October 17, 2020 10:17 PM (d8oLB)

484 >>What is a park model trailer?


Same as in town.

Posted by: Kamala H. at October 17, 2020 10:18 PM (TA9CI)

485 "The owner of the Washington Football Team threatened to kill the organization's cheerleading coach if he didn't keep the women "skinny with big tits," a new report alleges."
Posted by: Splunge at October 17, 2020 09:52 PM (dOV9E)

What's wrong with that?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 17, 2020 10:24 PM (R13uH)

486 James Woods was in "The Way We Were"?

I wonder if he knows that.

Posted by: klaftern at October 17, 2020 10:27 PM (RuIsu)

487 #409 -- Guys, you know Trump has his own Youtube channel, right?

Posted by: FriscoJim at October 17, 2020 10:47 PM (+56GQ)

488 Hey everybody!

Well, today was my most difficult and awkward day for my delivery job with UberEats.

Apparently somebody wanted Cherries Flambe delivered...

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 17, 2020 10:48 PM (L2ZTs)

489 Also I was informed by MisHum that tonight's ONT has NO flavor crystals!

Why you might ask? Because flavor crystals are for cheapo instant coffee and other greasy kid stuff.

MisHum always grinds his ONTs straight from the highest quality beans available!

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 17, 2020 10:50 PM (L2ZTs)

490 Oh and MisHum: love the topmost music choice.

I actually bought the American edition of that Slade album when it came out. Everywhere else it was called "The Amazing Kamikaze Syndrome," but in the USA, CBS released it under the title "Keep Your Hands Off My Power Supply."

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 17, 2020 10:56 PM (L2ZTs)

491 The secret to dowsing or witching is there's water practically everywhere if you dig far enough. Kind of like crossing the Pacific in one of those old flying boats, where can you land ? Anywhere !

Posted by: Lord Percy &*&* at October 18, 2020 02:50 AM (K5YXy)

492 Way late to this thread, but a particular bugaboo of mine. I have a PhD from a top research institute. Going through this process it became readily apparent of a massive bias toward getting positive results for one's thesis so as to earn one's PhD. Massive 0/1 outcome. Large incentive to monkey with data, adjust beta weights with models, p-hack, etc. To get hired and promoted, you need to be published and journals typically don't publish negative results or replication studies. Again, massive bias for positive results. The outcome of all of this is what is known as the replication crisis, wherein 50% or more of accepted research does not replicate when someone runs the same experiments. Combine this with the incomprehensible waste of time, money, and talent on scientific dead ends like string theory, and the implications are that science is in real trouble.

Posted by: iandeal at October 18, 2020 08:13 AM (nF/+k)

493 Loved this post. Got my degree in environmental science and DID spend a big proportion of time in the lab looking at particulate matter in air pollution and everything else... but there was TONS of propaganda as well. I went to a religious college where our Christian professor outright stated that it was okay to lie about the severity of climate change, if it made people take the environment more seriously. I was floored.

In the meantime, fake science pervades EVERYTHING. One great example is vaccination. Google up the package insert for the Hepatitis B vaccine and read it--you will see it was "safety monitored" (NOT safety "tested") for only FIVE DAYS before being approved. There are lots of claims that SCIENCE!!!!! shows that vaccines are safe, but if you actually READ the "science," you quickly discover that there IS no true, high quality science done on the issue of vaccine safety. It is astonishing.

Posted by: LK at October 18, 2020 09:39 AM (XtoKU)

494 The 'politicization of science' is only a part of a larger and more insidious movement to establish the precedent that reality itself is, to use the parlance of the age - a "social construct", that we can produce any reality we desire by simply employing sophistical language in describing it - and destroying anyone who speaks a different reality.

Posted by: jbspry at October 18, 2020 09:59 AM (ATe9j)

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