Sunday Morning Book Thread 10-18-2020

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State Library of South Australia, Adelaide, South Australia

Good morning to all you 'rons, 'ettes, lurkers, and lurkettes, wine moms, frat bros, crétins sans pantalon (who are technically breaking the rules). Welcome once again to the stately, prestigious, internationally acclaimed and high-class Sunday Morning Book Thread, a weekly compendium of reviews, observations, snark, witty repartee, hilarious bon mots, and a continuing conversation on books, reading, spending way too much money on books, writing books, and publishing books by escaped oafs and oafettes who follow words with their fingers and whose lips move as they read. Unlike other AoSHQ comment threads, the Sunday Morning Book Thread is so hoity-toity, pants are required. Even if it's these pants, which probably should be dunked in coffee first.



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From the wiki entry:

The State Library of South Australia, or SLSA, formerly known as the Public Library of South Australia, located on North Terrace, Adelaide, is the official library of the Australian state of South Australia. It is the largest public research library in the state, with a collection focus on South Australian information, being the repository of all printed and audiovisual material published in the state, as required by legal deposit legislation. It holds the "South Australiana" collection, which documents South Australia from pre-European settlement to the present day, as well as general reference material in a wide range of formats, including digital, film, sound and video recordings, photographs, and microfiche. Home access to many journals, newspapers and other resources online is available.



It Pays To Increase Your Word Power®

Please don't let Joe Biden find out about this:


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From the Barrett Hearings

During day 2 of the hearings, while she was explaining one of her points about how she reasons about the law, she happened to mention this book, 51 Imperfect Solutions: States and the Making of American Constitutional Law by Jeffrey Sutton.

When we think of constitutional law, we invariably think of the United States Supreme Court and the federal court system. Yet much of our constitutional law is not made at the federal level. In 51 Imperfect Solutions, U.S. Court of Appeals Judge Jeffrey S. Sutton argues that American Constitutional Law should account for the role of the state courts and state constitutions, together with the federal courts and the federal constitution, in protecting individual liberties.

The book tells four stories that arise in four different areas of constitutional law: equal protection; criminal procedure; privacy; and free speech and free exercise of religion. Traditional accounts of these bedrock debates about the relationship of the individual to the state focus on decisions of the United States Supreme Court. But these explanations tell just part of the story...[that] ought to make lawyers and litigants pause before reflexively assuming that the United States Supreme Court alone has all of the answers to the most vexing constitutional questions.

The Founders never intended for SCOTUS to be the instrument America would use to solve her social problems. Yet here we are. I'm not sure whether we will ever be able get back back to when it was used mostly to resolve disputess between states.

And then this tweet showed up in my TL:

Judge Barrett's statement that the Declaration of Independence is not law is trending. She's completely wrong on this point, as I explain in my book:

We'll get to his book in a second, but this strikes me as an odd thing to say. In what way could the DOI actually *be* law? If he had said that it had *influenced* law, well then, I could buy that.

But he never did explain what he meant, probably because he wrote about it in his book, The Conscience of the Constitution: The Declaration of Independence and the Right to Liberty, wherein the author, Timothy Sandefur, argues that

...our Constitution was written not to empower democracy, but to secure liberty. Yet the overemphasis on democracy by today's legal community-rather than the primacy of liberty, as expressed in the Declaration of Independence-has helped expand the scope of government power at the expense of individual rights. Now, more than ever, the Declaration of Independence should be the framework for interpreting our fundamental law. It is the conscience of the Constitution.

Sandeful is not some rando with an opinion. His qualifications on his Amazon author's page seem legit. The book does sound interesting, and the Kindle edition is only $1.99. He's got other books that also sound interesting, namely Cornerstone of Liberty: Property Rights in 21st Century America (written in the wake of the Kelo decision) and also The Permission Society: How the Ruling Class Turns Our Freedoms into Privileges and What We Can Do About It:

Throughout history, kings and emperors have promised “freedoms” to their people. Yet these freedoms were really only permissions handed down from on high. The American Revolution inaugurated a new vision: people have basic rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, and government must ask permission from them. Sadly, today’s increasingly bureaucratic society is beginning to turn back the clock and to transform America into a nation where our freedoms—the right to speak freely, to earn a living, to own a gun, to use private property, even the right to take medicine to save one’s own life—are again treated as privileges the government may grant or withhold at will. Timothy Sandefur examines the history of the distinction between rights and privileges that played such an important role in the American experiment, and how we can fight to retain our freedoms against the growing power of government.

Our country was originally conceived and built around the sovereign people, but has since morphed into the sovereign state.



Who Dis:

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(Last week's 'who dis' was actress Ginger Rogers.



Socialism: An Idea Whose Time Has Come -- And Gone

Heaven on Earth: The Rise, Fall, and Afterlife of Socialism by Joshua Muravchik traces the history of this never-reached ideal that has promised so much, yet achieved so little:

Socialism was man's most ambitious attempt to supplant religion with a doctrine claiming to ground itself in “science.”

"It has to work! It's science!"

Each failure to create societies of abundance or give birth to “the New Man” inspired more searching for the path to the promised land: revolution, communes, social democracy, communism, fascism, Arab socialism, African socialism. None worked...

"They didn't do it right!"

...and some exacted a staggering human toll.

"It's not our fault! Wreckers sabotaged our glorious revolution!"

Then, after two centuries of wishful thinking and bitter disappointment, socialism imploded in a fin de siècle drama of falling walls and collapsing regimes.

"That wasn't real socialism!"

It was an astonishing denouement but what followed was no less astonishing. After the hiatus of a couple of decades, new voices were raised, as if innocent of all that had come before, proposing to try it all over again.

"It'll be bigger and better than ever. Trust us!"

Joshua Muravchik traces the pursuit of this phantasm, presenting sketches of the thinkers and leaders who developed the theory, led it to power, and presided over its collapse, as well as those who are trying to revive it today. Heaven on Earth is a story filled with character and event while at the same time giving us an epic chronicle of a movement that tried to turn the world upside down—and for a time succeeded.

"We'll get it right this time! We promise!"




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Moron Recommendations

With this being the book thread, I think the Thursday Next series of books by Jason Fforde set in an alternate universe, Bookworld, would interest the 'rons, 'ettes, lurkers, and lurkettes. I really enjoyed them. Not sure whether anyone has previously recommended them.

There are something like 7 'Thursday Next' novels. The first in the series is The Eyre Affair:

Fans of Douglas Adams and P. G. Wodehouse will love visiting Jasper Fforde's Great Britain, circa 1985, when time travel is routine, cloning is a reality (dodos are the resurrected pet of choice), and literature is taken very, very seriously: it’s a bibliophile’s dream. England is a virtual police state where an aunt can get lost (literally) in a Wordsworth poem and forging Byronic verse is a punishable offense. All this is business as usual for Thursday Next, renowned Special Operative in literary detection. But when someone begins kidnapping characters from works of literature and plucks Jane Eyre from the pages of Brontë's novel, Thursday is faced with the challenge of her career. Fforde's ingenious fantasy—enhanced by a Web site that re-creates the world of the novel—unites intrigue with English literature in a delightfully witty mix.

And:

For those who like "crime" novels with humor and complicated/convoluted plots, I highly recommend the Dortmunder novels by Donald E Westlake about a hapless petty thief.

I first mentioned the Dortmunder novels back in 2016, so we're a bit due for a revisit. The first one in the series is The Hot Rock, which was made into a movie:

John Dortmunder leaves jail with ten dollars, a train ticket, and nothing to make money on but his good name. Thankfully, his reputation goes far. No one plans a caper better than Dortmunder. His friend Kelp picks him up in a stolen Cadillac and drives him away from Sing-Sing, telling a story of a $500,000 emerald that they just have to steal. Dortmunder doesnít hesitate to agree.

There are something like 15 Dortmunder novels in the series. This lurker also recommends book #5, in the series, Why Me:

The Byzantine Fire is much more than a ninety-carat ruby. As a stone it’s worth over a million dollars, a value vastly increased by its pure gold band—but its history makes it priceless. A ring that has been fought for with sword and pen, and passed from nation to nation by all manner of theft and trickery, it finally made its way to the United States. The US has agreed to return it to Turkey, but it’s about to be stolen twice more. A gang of Greeks armed with Sten guns burst into the security room at JFK Airport and escape with the priceless stone, which they deposit in the safe at a small jeweler’s shop in Queens. A few hours later, unlucky thief John Dortmunder, expecting a routine robbery, steals it again. Much blood has been shed for this little ruby, and Dortmunder’s could be next.

Kindle editions of The Dortmunder books vary from $1.99 to $10.99, so you should be able to find one for the price that you like.

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Another lurker recommends Road to Valor: A True Story of WWII Italy, the Nazis, and the Cyclist Who Inspired a Nation by Aili and Andres McConnon:

The inspiring, against-the-odds story of Gino Bartali, the cyclist who made the greatest comeback in Tour de France history and secretly aided the Italian resistance during World War II

Gino Bartali is best known as an Italian cycling legend who not only won the Tour de France twice but also holds the record for the longest time span between victories. In Road to Valor, Aili and Andres McConnon chronicle Bartaliís journey, from an impoverished childhood in rural Tuscany to his first triumph at the 1938 Tour de France. As World War II ravaged Europe, Bartali undertook dangerous activities to help those being targeted in Italy, including sheltering a family of Jews and smuggling counterfeit identity documents in the frame of his bicycle. After the grueling wartime years, the chain-smoking, Chianti-loving, 34-year-old underdog came back to win the 1948 Tour de France, an exhilarating performance that helped unite his fractured homeland.

Yes, back in those days, cyclists didn't juice up, but they could have all the wine and cigarettes they wanted.

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43 Currently reading Mission: Jimmy Stewart and the Fight for Europe. I'm only about a quarter of the way through, which covers his pre-war acting career. I knew that he served with distinction as a wing/group bomber commander but what I didn't know was that the dude boinked nearly every A-list actress in Hollywood. Kind of gave me a different perspective on It's a Wonderful Life. Heh.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 11, 2020 09:16 AM (EgshT)

Mission: Jimmy Stewart and the Fight for Europe is, as the title suggests, mainly about what he did in WWII:

When he left Hollywood in March 1941, Jimmy Stewart was America's boy next door movie star and a recent Academy Award winner. He left all that behind to join the United States Army Air Corps and fulfill his family mission to serve his country—only to face obstacle after obstacle from both Hollywood and Washington. Finally he made his way to the European Theater, where several near-death experiences and the loss of men under his command took away his youthful good looks. The war finally won, he returned home with millions of other veterans to face an uncertain future, suffering what we now know as PTSD. For the next half century, Stewart refused to discuss his combat experiences and took the story of his service to the grave. Mission presents the first in-depth look at Stewart's life as a Squadron Commander in the skies over Germany...What emerges is the story of a Jimmy Stewart you never knew until now, a story more fantastic than any he brought to the screen.

I read somewhere recently that the scene in It's A Wonderful Life where George Bailey arrives home on Christmas Eve bankrupt, ruined, and facing possible criminal charges, everything he has worked for all of his life is being wrenched from his grasp, he snaps and goes into his little man-cave area and smashes all of the things he's been working on in a Hulk-like fit of rage, all of that was just Stewart letting out his PTSD demons.

I have known men who have served and now have to deal with PTSD. I simply don't have the experience to understand what they're going through.

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So that's all for this week. As always, book thread tips, suggestions, bribes, insults, threats, ugly pants pics and moron library submissions may be sent to OregonMuse, Proprietor, AoSHQ Book Thread, at the book thread e-mail address: aoshqbookthread, followed by the 'at' sign, and then 'G' mail, and then dot cee oh emm.

What have you all been reading this week? Hopefully something good, because, as you all know, life is too short to be reading lousy books.




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1 Tolle lege

Posted by: Skip at October 18, 2020 09:01 AM (OjZpE)

2 Graawwwr my fellow book wookies!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Counter-Revolutionary She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at October 18, 2020 09:01 AM (Dc2NZ)

3

Been doing a re-read of Shogun and Noble House this week.

Posted by: Vic at October 18, 2020 09:01 AM (mpXpK)

4 Lulu!

Posted by: CN at October 18, 2020 09:01 AM (ONvIw)

5 Louise Brooks was quite an interesting character

Posted by: CN at October 18, 2020 09:01 AM (ONvIw)

6 Hello Miss Brooks!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Counter-Revolutionary She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at October 18, 2020 09:01 AM (Dc2NZ)

7 300 pages in Peter Wilson's The Thirty Years War
Blaming my lack of reading time on DJT, but I will get to the end eventually.

Posted by: Skip at October 18, 2020 09:02 AM (OjZpE)

8 Reposted from last thread because about books and shit.

The Spiritual Danger of Donald Trump
30 Evangelical Christians on Justice, Truth, and Moral Integrity

What should Christians think about Donald Trump? His policies, his style, his personal life? Thirty evangelical Christians wrestle with these tough questions. They are Republicans, Democrats, and Independents. They don't all agree, but they seek to let Christ be the lord of their political views. They seek to apply biblical standards to difficult debates about our current political situation.

Vast numbers of white evangelicals enthusiastically support Donald Trump. Do biblical standards on truth, justice, life, freedom, and personal integrity warrant or challenge that support? How does that support of President Trump affect the image of Christianity in the larger culture? Around the world?

Many younger evangelicals today are rejecting evangelical Christianity, even Christianity itself. To what extent is that because of widespread evangelical support for Donald Trump?

Don't listen to this audiobook to find support for your views. Listen to it to be challenged - with facts, reason, and biblical principles;

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Meanwhile, vote for Biden and Pelosi and you're golden.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 18, 2020 09:03 AM (+y/Ru)

9 Those pants are FINE!

Posted by: Michael Mooron at October 18, 2020 09:04 AM (Rx3dp)

10 "While your brothers and sisters are your siblings, your nieces and nephews are your NIBLINGS."


No, that's not right. A nibling is a golf club.

Posted by: creeper at October 18, 2020 09:04 AM (XxJt1)

11 The awesome Rick Geary wrote and illustrated "Louise Brooks: Detective", a story wherein Louise returns to her hometown to solve a murder.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Counter-Revolutionary She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at October 18, 2020 09:04 AM (Dc2NZ)

12 Niblings sounds like a way to stop using gender to describe your siblings' kids. PASS.

Posted by: Jordan61 at October 18, 2020 09:05 AM (/I1RL)

13 "If we try socialism here, IT WILL WORK!!!"

-socialists everywhere in the U.S.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at October 18, 2020 09:05 AM (lE1L7)

14 My neice's little girl for Christmas I want to get the Rush series, but see you can get it from many dealers on Amazon, any helpful hints as never did it.

Posted by: Skip at October 18, 2020 09:05 AM (OjZpE)

15 That's a fair dinkum lieberry, that is!

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at October 18, 2020 09:05 AM (PiwSw)

16 I love Louise Brooks.

Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2020 09:06 AM (7X3UV)

17 Slowly reading Ashenden.

Working on the grandsons' reading this week. The idiotic teachers seem to think that unless they were involved, kids made no progress on reading levels. I recorded him reading several times and sent the recordings to her...crazy witch. I will not tolerate the idea that she wants him to regress or to "prove" he can read lower level books when he easily reads much higher ones. Just a stupid waste

Posted by: CN at October 18, 2020 09:06 AM (ONvIw)

18 To all you authors....why aren't you on the "news"? Almost everyone I see being interviewed or commenting on the "news", has a book.

Posted by: BignJames at October 18, 2020 09:06 AM (AwYPR)

19 "51 Imperfect Solutions"

Is the author trying to suggest that the United States is NOT a country with a unitary government?

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at October 18, 2020 09:06 AM (lE1L7)

20 The Declaration pre-exists an American government. How could it be law?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 18, 2020 09:08 AM (oVJmc)

21 A Moron (I forget who, sorry) recommended How to Fail at Almost Anything and Still Win Big by Scott Adams, so that's what I am currently reading.

Posted by: Jordan61 at October 18, 2020 09:08 AM (/I1RL)

22 Judge Barrett's statement that the Declaration of Independence is not
law is trending. She's completely wrong on this point, as I explain in
my book:



I agree with her 100%. The Declaration of Independence was a letter sent to King George saying that we were breaking off from England and listed all the reasons why.

Posted by: Vic at October 18, 2020 09:09 AM (mpXpK)

23 17 Slowly reading Ashenden.

Working on the grandsons' reading this week. The idiotic teachers seem to think that unless they were involved, kids made no progress on reading levels. I recorded him reading several times and sent the recordings to her...crazy witch. I will not tolerate the idea that she wants him to regress or to "prove" he can read lower level books when he easily reads much higher ones. Just a stupid waste
Posted by: CN at October 18, 2020 09:06 AM (ONvIw)

Teachers aren't that bright, sadly.

In my elementary school in San Antonio, I read well enough to be placed in advanced reading classes. In eighth grade they bounced me from reading class because there was no more for them to add. Not schools overseas or in CO, who insisted the opposite (then they wondered why I got bored out of my mind with their material).

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at October 18, 2020 09:10 AM (lE1L7)

24 Not familiar with Sadefur, but he sounds like a West Coast Straussian. That means Claremont, Hillsdale, American Mind, and to a large degree American Greatness and Power Line.

Not my group, but most of them are interesting. Anton especially.

Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2020 09:10 AM (7X3UV)

25 Socialism was man's most ambitious attempt to supplant religion with a doctrine claiming to ground itself in "science" build a tower to Heaven.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 18, 2020 09:11 AM (+y/Ru)

26 Nice Lieberry!

Those aren't pants, their Jerry Nadler's legs.

The Who Dis has a nice pumpkin pie haircut.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 18, 2020 09:11 AM (Z+IKu)

27 The Who Dis? is Helen Thomas!

Posted by: The Greatest Plastic Surgeon in the World at October 18, 2020 09:11 AM (PiwSw)

28 The Declaration of Independence was the appetizer. The Constitution was the main course. And the Bill of Rights was dessert.


All in all, a fine meal.

Posted by: creeper at October 18, 2020 09:12 AM (XxJt1)

29 What do you call cousins???

Couslings?

Funny thing, auto cucumber wanted to change that to couplings...

Posted by: lin-duh en-nui at October 18, 2020 09:12 AM (UUBmN)

30 If the Declaration is law, can something be declared 'unDeclarational?'

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 18, 2020 09:13 AM (oVJmc)

31 Halloween looms on the horizon and for those who relish a traditional ghost story I have some recommendations.

M. R. James (1862-1936) is one of the masters of the form. Start with his first collection "Ghost Stories of an Antiquary" (1904). If you enjoy it there are several more.

Russell Kirk (1918-1994) may be best remembered as a political philosopher but he was also a past master of the ghostly tale, often with a distinctly American twist. His short stories have been collected in several different volumes. The most recent collection is "Ancestral Shadows: An Anthology of Ghostly Tales" (2004). His novels "Old House of Fear) (1961), "A Creature of the Twilight" (1966) and "Lord of the Hollow Dark" (1979) are also well worth reading.

Gahan Wilson (1930-2019) is well known for his brilliant, whimsically ghoulish cartoons but he also wrote some excellent eerie stories. Find a copy of his collection "The Cleft and Other Odd Tales" (199 and you will enjoy some delicious chills.

Posted by: John F. MacMichael at October 18, 2020 09:15 AM (u5KMl)

32 For those who weren't in the EMT, it's lin-duh's birthday!

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at October 18, 2020 09:15 AM (PiwSw)

33 What do you call cousins???

Posted by: lin-duh en-nui at October 18, 2020 09:12 AM (UUBmN)

uh-oh....

Posted by: BignJames at October 18, 2020 09:15 AM (AwYPR)

34 I'm reading about Louise Brooks. I'd never heard of her. Yes, interesting story. She fell on hard times and wound up as an escort for a while.

Posted by: creeper at October 18, 2020 09:15 AM (XxJt1)

35 Our country was originally conceived and built around the sovereign people, but has since morphed into the sovereign state.

I've remarked elsewhere that I'm taking Hillsdale's Constitution 101 online course and last week they covered the progressive movement that initiated the above 180. There was a lot to cover in quoting the dipshit proclamations of Saints Woody and Delano and their kraut philosophical underpinnings but they didn't go into the mechanism of how such major claptrap got put into place. With FDR you knew the Depression played a major role, and every fucking thing that gimp did made it worse, and I'm sure Wilson took advantage of some worldwide dumbfuckery. What I'm getting at is that they were spearheading a populist movement and now so is DJT only he's trying to move the country back more in line with the Founders intent; at least I think he is because he's still spending a lot of fucking money thanks to "budget hawks" like Eddie Munster. Anyway this is why the fucking progs consider him an existential threat.

None of that was exactly breaking news but the Hillsdale lectures gave a good perspective.

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 18, 2020 09:16 AM (y7DUB)

36 No, that's not right. A nibling is a golf club.
Posted by: creeper at October 18, 2020 09:04 AM (XxJt1)

and you want to be my mushroom IDer ?

Posted by: REDACTED at October 18, 2020 09:16 AM (R3uW8)

37 I requested a couple books on The Black Deathe from the library. One of them turned out to be a children’s book, but it has delightfully gruesome illustrations and my inner Young Eris approves.

Fun fact: “Strap a live chicken to it” is the medieval plague doctor version of “Slap a hot iron on it”.

Some Middle Age-y music:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g5nJM7rDdA&t=196s

Dance away the Plague:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_7gdeIOaL0

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Counter-Revolutionary She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at October 18, 2020 09:17 AM (Dc2NZ)

38 I'm re-reading most of the Elizabeth Berg books this week.

Very well written and comforting.

Posted by: Ladyl at October 18, 2020 09:18 AM (TdMsT)

39 Strap a live chicken to it seems so... old school! Or really, really kinky!

Posted by: lin-duh en-nui at October 18, 2020 09:18 AM (UUBmN)

40 Thursday Next is the name, or the nickname, of a character in Douglas Adams' Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 18, 2020 09:18 AM (+y/Ru)

41 "... the loss of men under his command took away his youthful good looks."
_________

My mother would have objected to that. She loved him both pre- and post-war. I do recall my parents watching Rear Window and arguing over who was the real eye candy.

I agreed with Dad.

Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2020 09:19 AM (7X3UV)

42 Saw the movie version of "The Hot Rock" not long ago. It's very funny and has a great ending. Zero Mostel is, of course, priceless.

Posted by: Art Rondelet of Malmsey at October 18, 2020 09:19 AM (fTtFy)

43 I'm currently reading The Woman in the Window by A.J. Finn. I almost gave up on it. I cannot stand his style of writing. It's choppy, he flips between the past and present, which is fine but his style makes it hard to understand what the hell is going on. I'm enough into it to want to finish because it's an intriguing story, but I doubt I will ever pick up one of his books again.

Posted by: Jewells45 at October 18, 2020 09:19 AM (nxdel)

44 The Great Barrington Declaration

then town of Great Barrington has disavowed it

Posted by: REDACTED at October 18, 2020 09:20 AM (R3uW8)

45 300 pages in Peter Wilson's The Thirty Years War
Blaming my lack of reading time on DJT, but I will get to the end eventually.
Posted by: Skip at October 18, 2020 09:02 AM (OjZpE)


Living in interesting times puts a major dent in my reading.

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 18, 2020 09:20 AM (y7DUB)

46 Nieces and nephews are NIBLINGS.

I'm pale, I'm wan, and I don't get it.

Posted by: Sir John Suckling at October 18, 2020 09:21 AM (zMFmR)

47 Dortmunder's, "Why Me," was the inspiration for the Beatles movie, "Help."

Posted by: Ringo Starr at October 18, 2020 09:22 AM (l3+k2)

48 then town of Great Barrington has disavowed it

You think YOU'VE got problems!

Posted by: Port Huron at October 18, 2020 09:23 AM (zMFmR)

49 Finished the final volume in Dean Koons's five book Jane Hawk series. It was a wild ride but he wrapped it up in a very satisfying way.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Counter-Revolutionary She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at October 18, 2020 09:24 AM (Dc2NZ)

50 "What do you call cousins???"

don't get me started

Posted by: muttering vikings fan at October 18, 2020 09:24 AM (l3+k2)

51 I wonder if "Who Dis" is MPPPP's favorite actress. I don't recall the name.

Posted by: Emmie at October 18, 2020 09:24 AM (4JM5Y)

52 Read handmaids tale and testaments. First poorly written and to be a feminist screed why does girl power need to be saved in the end by a dude? Second book was better written but still a no overall. Also read the defining decade which was excellent however common sense. Read the coddling of the American mind which was spot on but the two liberals basically said yes the left does idiotic stuff but why does the right provoke them so. Just started the splendid and the vile by Larson today about Churchill and the first year of the blitz

Posted by: NCKate at October 18, 2020 09:25 AM (M5q4f)

53 I read The Devil and Karl Marx by Paul Kangor. The first section of the book was the most interesting to me. Kengor looks at Marx's early writings and his personal life. His poetry shows a fascination in the devil and hell, although Kengor falls short of calling Marx a Satanist. These twisted and dark ideas influenced his economic theories and made Marxism atheistic and very anti-religion and church.

Like Bernie Sanders, Marx had an adversion to working for wages. He mooched from his father and other family members and his family lived in abject poverty all of their lives. Two of his daughters and a son-in-law committed suicide.
The middle part of the book covers how communism infiltrated churches, seminaries, etc during the 30's, 40's and 50's. The last section looks at communists leaving economic communism in favor of cultural communism from the the 60's to date. This has brought us moral relativism, critical theory, the sexual revolution, hundreds of new genders, the push to legalize pedophilia, etc; all in an attempt to "fundamentally transform" our country and western civilization.

Posted by: Zoltan at October 18, 2020 09:25 AM (AAqtz)

54 "18 To all you authors....why aren't you on the "news"? Almost everyone I see being interviewed or commenting on the "news", has a book."

I can't speak for the other authors, but as for me, I've never been married to or slept with anyone notorious, so the Establishment News Media isn't the least bit interested in me or my books. YMMV

But the Luna City Compendium #3 as gone live as a Kindle book, so I have that.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08L6M6MKT
This one contains book 7,8, and 9 of the Luna City Chronicles.

Posted by: Sgt. Mom at October 18, 2020 09:26 AM (xnmPy)

55 The most interesting "new" read this week was Sailing the Sulu Sea, by Adm David Potter. Though it came out in 1940, it's a series of chapters on his service in USS Manila in the Phillipines in 1899-1900. They really read like short stories. (I wouldn't want to bet against any embellishment.)

Manila was a converted merchantman, with 2 x 4.7" and 2 x 6 pdr. Interesting that the 4.7" was NOT a US caliber. But since it was Brit, and at that time used by many countries, I imagine it was easier to get in the East than our own.

They include a lot about how tenuous US rule was at the time, and implicitly, how tenuous Spanish rule had been in many places. In the first, a Moro bandit leader completely pulls the wool over the Captain's eyes. Later, they almost wreck.

One interesting sidelight: there was actually slavery practiced at the time, not by the Hispanicized population, but by the Mahometans among natives. Not surprising, but interesting. Also, it was apparently still common for a warship's crew to include many non-national sailors. By WWI, that was disappearing.

Anyway, I recommend it.

Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2020 09:27 AM (7X3UV)

56 53 That would be a interesting read

Posted by: Skip at October 18, 2020 09:28 AM (OjZpE)

57 I love the Dortmunder books! The standalone scenes with "the regulars" in the bar sometimes make me burst out laughing. Westlake was a gem.

***********

Finished "Time Trap." What a fizzle. The main character -- can't really call him a protagonist -- stumbles through different eras until he meets the being who is behind everything, and the story wraps up with a deus ex machina development. Disappointing.

I moved into my own time travel with "Farewell, My Lovely" by Raymond Chandler. Oh yeah -- this is definitely a different era. This contains a few racial slurs that are new to me.

Phillip Marlowe sticks his nose where it didn't need to be and winds up in a murder investigation involving a huge ex-con who's trying to find his (probably former) girlfriend. Chandler uses a lot of metaphor to describe the hood, but when the police get a description from the prison, he doesn't seem that big to me. Six-five and a half, 235 pounds. Yeah, that's tall, but the weight sounds too little for such phrases as "a hand I could have sat in."

It's odd to realize that Chandler and Erle Stanley Gardner were contemporaries. Both use LA, but the worlds are completely different. Maybe it's because ESG wrote into a few subsequent decades. Chandler's world just seems old.

Posted by: Weak Geek at October 18, 2020 09:29 AM (u/nim)

58 I can't speak for the other authors, but as for me, I've never been married to or slept with anyone notorious, so the Establishment News Media isn't the least bit interested in me or my books. YMMV


Posted by: Sgt. Mom at October 18, 2020 09:26 AM (xnmPy)

But you're well versed in fiction! Just change direction a bit.

Posted by: BignJames at October 18, 2020 09:29 AM (AwYPR)

59 I'm re-reading most of the Elizabeth Berg books this week.

Very well written and comforting.
Posted by: Ladyl at October 18, 2020 09:18 AM

I read some of her books but then I saw a video of a talk she gave in front of an audience with a q and a session. She seems to be a hardcore liberal/leftist and came across as quite ditzy. I haven't been able to pick up one of her books since.

Posted by: one of the quiet ones at October 18, 2020 09:30 AM (3GzTP)

60 52 Read handmaids tale and testaments. First poorly written and to be a feminist screed why does girl power need to be saved in the end by a dude? Second book was better written but still a no overall. Also read the defining decade which was excellent however common sense. Read the coddling of the American mind which was spot on but the two liberals basically said yes the left does idiotic stuff but why does the right provoke them so. Just started the splendid and the vile by Larson today about Churchill and the first year of the blitz
Posted by: NCKate at October 18, 2020 09:25 AM (M5q4f)

I read The Handmaid's Tale and wrote a paper on it in college where I argue it isn't as big a feminist book as people think. (I got an A in the class so there's that.)

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at October 18, 2020 09:31 AM (lE1L7)

61 Good morning, bookies!
I just finished "The Ham Radio License Manual" by someone named Arrl.
It's an action-packed thriller with plenty of hertz. There's lots of electric propagation scenes, too!
Definitely recommended for the very high and utrahigh freaks around here.

Posted by: RI Red at October 18, 2020 09:31 AM (B0F3M)

62 Mmmmmm!

Nibbling!

Posted by: Sniffy Joey B. at October 18, 2020 09:32 AM (m45I2)

63 Eeyore, you're lucky to find a copy. I know "Sailing the Sulu Sea" was on my dad's bookshelf, but who knows where it is now. Amazon has one copy for about $500!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Counter-Revolutionary She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at October 18, 2020 09:32 AM (Dc2NZ)

64 "The Smart Set" was a literary magazine, edited by a man whose name is not unmentioned here.

That sure looks like Clara Bow reading it.

Posted by: Port Huron at October 18, 2020 09:33 AM (zMFmR)

65 Found a book from the Tate Museum exhibit on Aubrey Beardsley, a criminally short-lived (25!) artist whose sinuous, erotic, grotesque illustrations personify fin de siècle art. He was diagnosed with tuberculosis as a child, which was essentially a death sentence with no known expiration date. There was an idea that consumption forced one to be precocious and it did seem that Beardsley crammed a lifetime’s work into a few productive years.

https://www.tate.org.uk/whats-on/tate-britain/exhibition/aubrey-beardsley

“After Beardsley” by Chris James:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfofyXCPSMs

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Counter-Revolutionary She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at October 18, 2020 09:34 AM (Dc2NZ)

66 booken morgen horden!

Posted by: vmom's roots at October 18, 2020 09:34 AM (nUhF0)

67 never accept rings from your niblings, and if your name is Sigfreid . . .

Posted by: Kindltot at October 18, 2020 09:34 AM (WyVLE)

68 Been doing a re-read of Shogun and Noble House this week.
Posted by: Vic


Don't leave out Tai-Pan! It's the start of the Noble House saga.

Posted by: Hierominous Botch at October 18, 2020 09:35 AM (YqED9)

69
I read some of her books but then I saw a video of a talk she gave in front of an audience with a q and a session. She seems to be a hardcore liberal/leftist and came across as quite ditzy. I haven't been able to pick up one of her books since.
Posted by: one of the quiet ones at October 18, 2020 09:30 AM (3GzTP)


There are small hints of leftism throughout her books, but overall, the sense of her work is moderate to mildly conservative.

I think in this day and age, it is nearly impossible to get a work of fiction published unless it addresses the obligatory leftist issues to the left's satisfaction.

Berg may interview like a ditz, but she truly has the "gift of words" in prose.

Posted by: Ladyl at October 18, 2020 09:36 AM (TdMsT)

70 (I got an A in the class so there's that.)

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33


Every time we're all agreed that those damned universities just need to be burned to the ground and the earth salted, along comes one of you trouble-makers who went to a real one.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at October 18, 2020 09:37 AM (zMFmR)

71 Dortmunder's, "Why Me," was the inspiration for the Beatles movie, "Help."

Posted by: Ringo Starr at October 18, 2020 09:22 AM (l3+k2)


Ringo you need to go back to canoodling Barbara Bach.

"Why Me?" came out in 1983.

Posted by: naturalfake at October 18, 2020 09:37 AM (dWwl8)

72 gonna bring this over from the EMT:


232 I never seem to be around for the book thread, so I'm recommending a book now: "Holy In The Moment": simple ways to love God and enjoy your life by Ginger Harrington-how intentional choices make holy habits. Very good, encouraging, uplifting and practical for the Christian life. Its said to be for women, but as long as they don't mind a book written by a woman I think men could benefit from reading it true, although there is certainly much good reading material out therefor Christian men as well

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 18, 2020 08:17 AM (WkPC9)

Posted by: vmom's roots at October 18, 2020 09:38 AM (nUhF0)

73 No writing for the foreseeable future.

We're watching my granddaughter a lot and she's a handful.

Still working my way through Ford Madox Ford's The Last Post, but doing so slowly and without much conviction.

It's the fourth book in his Parade's End trilogy and it's kind of dumb. Madox loved to experiment and also do this thing where a single day of actual time passes but the are tons of scenes in flashback.

Here, he tries to outdo himself, having the "action" being a guy faking paralysis from a stroke because he's pissed at the world and so he just sits and thinks and people visit him, and he thinks some more, and then he dies (I've read it before).

Anyway, it's not very gripping, sometimes amusing and I'm enjoying my new copy of First Things a lot more.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 18, 2020 09:39 AM (cfSRQ)

74 Maybe you can do a "who dis" featuring Angharad Aubrey

she played the toddler "Susy" in the Nanny with Bette Davis

she filled out to be quite the Lady

Posted by: REDACTED at October 18, 2020 09:39 AM (R3uW8)

75 63 Eeyore, you're lucky to find a copy. I know "Sailing the Sulu Sea" was on my dad's bookshelf, but who knows where it is now. Amazon has one copy for about $500!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Counter-Revolutionary She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at October 18, 2020 09:32 AM (Dc2NZ)
_________

It was in a box of Dad's old books. Having moved has uncovered a lot we didn't realize we had.

One I didn't like was the Glencannon Omnibus by Guy Gilpatric. About the chief engineer of a disreputable tramp steamer in the 20s. They're supposed to be funny, but all are the same. Glencannon is Scots, drunk, disorderly, insubordinate, but the only one who can make the engine run. He gets into scrapes in various ports, meeting and not understanding various nationalities. That's the joke. They are all alike (that I've read - I've given up), and none rises very high. Sort of like The General Danced at Dawn, but not so good.

Oddly, there was even a TV show based on it, briefly. Also, apparently many at Amazon think them hilarious. Not to my taste.

Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2020 09:40 AM (7X3UV)

76 I was pretty much out of reading material (box o' books arrived yesterday) so I read Killing the SS this week. First of these books I've read and overall a decent, quick read.

It reminded me of things I had forgotten about WWII and I learned a few new things. Mostly, the sheer viciousness and deliberate evil of the Nazis makes me wanna get 5 minutes in a room with the shitbirds throwing the term around so lightly today.

Also 1 hour 38 minutes into watching CNN for 2 hours this morning, to see what their seventeen viewers are hearing. Jake Tapper is a horrible jackwad, almost no mention of Hunter outside of Lara Trump hinting at it while Tapper literally said, "I don't know what that means." It looks like the Dem plan at the moment is Covid!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at October 18, 2020 09:41 AM (Wm5SB)

77 68
Been doing a re-read of Shogun and Noble House this week.
Posted by: Vic

Don't leave out Tai-Pan! It's the start of the Noble House saga.


Posted by: Hierominous Botch at October 18, 2020 09:35 AM (YqED9)

I've read Tai Pan but I didn't like it.

Posted by: Vic at October 18, 2020 09:41 AM (mpXpK)

78 I'm not cheating by looking but the Who Dis is somebody Moore?

Posted by: Lady in Black at October 18, 2020 09:41 AM (O+I8R)

79 I think after I finish The Last Post I'll read some Waugh again as a palate cleanser.

Maybe write an essay on how Sword of Honour is similar and different.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 18, 2020 09:41 AM (cfSRQ)

80 Test

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 18, 2020 09:42 AM (wZxsP)

81 Socialism is a secular religion. Also environmentalism.

Posted by: cool breeze at October 18, 2020 09:43 AM (UGKMd)

82 I've been sitting on a copy of "The Handmaid's Tale" for six years. I've picked it up twice but never gotten past the cover. Probably never will.

Posted by: creeper at October 18, 2020 09:44 AM (XxJt1)

83 80 Test
Posted by: Puddin Head at October 18, 2020 09:42 AM (wZxsP)

I'll give you a Gentleman's C.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Counter-Revolutionary She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at October 18, 2020 09:44 AM (Dc2NZ)

84 Still making my way through Barzun's "Dawn to Decadence: 500 Years of Western Cultural Life." It's a dense book, not one you zip through and I've been so focused on the election I've had less time to read it.

I came across another of his heresies last night though. Barzun pointed out the common tendency to simplistically dismiss the Middle Ages, a period that spans 1000 years, as uniformly dismal and barbaric. He notes that while the 9th century was probably rather grim, the later Middle Ages produced the great cathedrals, Ocford and the Sorbonne, and Thomas Aquinas and Chaucer and there was more social mobility than people realize.

One interesting aside: Barzun wrote that the medieval university students of Oxford and Paris were not the docile future priests that I always assumed they were, but full blown anarchists. who regularly rioted when they didn't like their teachers and had complete contempt for the "townies." University wasn't a time to meekly learn Latin, but a time to drink and raise hell, and they regularly allied themselves with criminal gangs. The students remained a problem for centuries until strong monarchs put them in their place.

That did surprise me. I've thought of today's college antifa brats as destroying university traditions - in fact, I think they themselves would be surprised to know they're returning to their roots.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V at October 18, 2020 09:44 AM (HabA/)

85 'Fun fact: "Strap a live chicken to it" is the medieval plague doctor version of "Slap a hot iron on it" '

I was using the chicken to measure it.

Posted by: Medieval Uncle Meat at October 18, 2020 09:44 AM (Rx3dp)

86 I wonder if "Who Dis" is MPPPP's favorite actress. I don't recall the name.


No. This has come up. Poppins is oddly unmoved by Louise. She's one of my all time faves and the absolute fave from the era.

I consider her the first modern beauty.

Posted by: Bamdersnatch at October 18, 2020 09:46 AM (q2K0j)

87 79 I think after I finish The Last Post I'll read some Waugh again as a palate cleanser.

Maybe write an essay on how Sword of Honour is similar and different.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 18, 2020 09:41 AM (cfSRQ)
_______

At the moment I can find only the first 2 volumes. Oh, well, there are many boxes yet to unpack.

After a while, we'll get it down to 30 boxes. That's what the girl said, right? You should have only 30 boxes of books. Or was it 30 shelves? Or bookcases?

Or, in an ideal world, 30 rooms full.

Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2020 09:46 AM (7X3UV)

88 'Morning, vmom. Hope you're feeling better.

Posted by: creeper at October 18, 2020 09:46 AM (XxJt1)

89 80 Test
Posted by: Puddin Head at October 18, 2020 09:42 AM (wZxsP)
_________

You get an F.

Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2020 09:46 AM (7X3UV)

90 I read The Devil and Karl Marx by Paul Kangor. The first section of the book was the most interesting to me. Kengor looks at Marx's early writings and his personal life. His poetry shows a fascination in the devil and hell, although Kengor falls short of calling Marx a Satanist. These twisted and dark ideas influenced his economic theories and made Marxism atheistic and very anti-religion and church.

Doesn't Kangor periodically infuriate the left by pointing out negative things about their icons?

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 18, 2020 09:47 AM (y7DUB)

91 Dortmunder's, "Why Me," was the inspiration for the Beatles movie, "Help."



Oooo, a fiendish thingie.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 18, 2020 09:47 AM (oVJmc)

92 I've been re-reading lately. About halfway through Herodotus, for one, and I'm again just flabbergasted by what a towering work and towering achievement it is. This guy spent his life wandering the entire "known" world, paying his way by telling his Histories to crowds in the marketplace, for donations, and writing down all he discovered.

Wanting some good sci-fi for a change of pace, though. I might go with Agency, William Gibson's sequel to The Peripheral. Have any of you Morons read it and formed an opinion?

Posted by: Hierominous Botch at October 18, 2020 09:47 AM (YqED9)

93 You get an F.

Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2020 09:46 AM (7X3UV)

That seems a little harsh.

Posted by: BignJames at October 18, 2020 09:48 AM (AwYPR)

94 I suspect MP4 may be put off by Louise's sexual exploits. Theda was much more circumspect.

Posted by: creeper at October 18, 2020 09:48 AM (XxJt1)

95 Server Error 500

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 18, 2020 09:49 AM (wZxsP)

96

Nibling? Oh yeah, I remember from Wagner: Der Ring Des Nibling

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 18, 2020 09:49 AM (lEMIS)

97 With FDR you knew the Depression played a major role, and every fucking thing that gimp did made it worse, and I'm sure Wilson took advantage of some worldwide dumbfuckery.

The Depression was the original "don't let a crisis go to waste".

Posted by: Ian S. at October 18, 2020 09:50 AM (6XLoz)

98 94 I suspect MP4 may be put off by Louise's sexual exploits

Posted by: creeper at October 18, 2020 09:48 AM (XxJt1)


pikers, all of yous

Posted by: Libby Holman at October 18, 2020 09:51 AM (R3uW8)

99 Many younger evangelicals today are rejecting evangelical Christianity,
even Christianity itself. To what extent is that because of widespread
evangelical support for Donald Trump?

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I had to pull this part out because it perfectly encapsulates the rank stupidity of so many religious leaders.

If you think that people are turning away from the faith because of DrumpF TwEetZ, you are an idiot.

Seriously, you can't evangelize worth a damn.

Faith isn't a lifestyle choice, or something we can package and sell - it's supposed to be about life everlasting.

"I'm willing to die for my religion but because Trump is mean, I think I'll apostatize" said no one, ever.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 18, 2020 09:51 AM (cfSRQ)

100 Fun fact: "Strap a live chicken to it" is the medieval plague doctor version of "Slap a hot iron on it".

*************

Strap-On Tools - a limerick

A medieval physician named Deckers
(According to historical fact-checkers)
Said "If you get sick
Strap a chicken to your dick
Be the first on your block with two peckers!"

Posted by: Muldoon at October 18, 2020 09:52 AM (m45I2)

101 84
One interesting aside: Barzun wrote that the medieval university students of Oxford and Paris were not the docile future priests that I always assumed they were, but full blown anarchists. who regularly rioted when they didn't like their teachers and had complete contempt for the "townies." University wasn't a time to meekly learn Latin, but a time to drink and raise hell, and they regularly allied themselves with criminal gangs. The students remained a problem for centuries until strong monarchs put them in their place.

That did surprise me. I've thought of today's college antifa brats as destroying university traditions - in fact, I think they themselves would be surprised to know they're returning to their roots.
Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V at October 18, 2020 09:44 AM (HabA/)

________

Young men like to raise hell. Town vs Gown has gone on a long time.

BTW, you know the old myth that the scholastics debated how many angels could dance on the head (which means "point", really) of a pin? That was never in fact a point of debate; just another myth.

One time in college, over a few, some of came to to the conclusion that it just might have arisen, after class, as a bunch of guys were doing exactly what we were, hoisting a few. Think of it. A bunch of young guys, who've just been listening to a lecture by Albert, or Aguinas, or Scotus. Now they are on the way to getting sozzled. If the barmaid isn't cute, they will talk EXACTLY like that.

Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2020 09:52 AM (7X3UV)

102 A Prayer for Owen Meany two thumbs up. Test

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 18, 2020 09:53 AM (wZxsP)

103

AP - Conservatives staging free speech rally attacked by critics



Critics comrades. Not Antifa, critics. I saw video of a black guy who got his front teeth knocked out by the critics.





The San Francisco Police Department said three officers suffered non
life-threatening injuries when they were assaulted with pepper spray and
caustic chemicals. One officer was taken to a local hospital for
treatment, the department said.
No arrests were made, the department said.






Of course not. And even if they did the "critics" would be on the street in hours. Good thing the GD FBI is on the trail of the white supremacists who are causing all of this violence.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 18, 2020 09:53 AM (lEMIS)

104 I finished "Shattered Sword". It's the story of the Battle of Midway, told from the Japanese perspective. Boy did they screw that up. It's about 600 pages and has a lot of facts and figures, but I never got bored. Read the first half in one sitting and the rest over a week. If you are into such things you should read it. If you don't care anything about Midway it's probably a waste of time because we already know who won.

Posted by: f'd at October 18, 2020 09:53 AM (Rx3dp)

105 Be the first on your block with two peckers!
Posted by: Muldoon


"He's just crying because he wasn't first."

Posted by: just the punchline at October 18, 2020 09:54 AM (YqED9)

106 Love the painting and the Bookish Problem #59. Thanks OM.

Posted by: JTB at October 18, 2020 09:54 AM (7EjX1)

107 89 80 Test
Posted by: Puddin Head at October 18, 2020 09:42 AM (wZxsP)
_________

You get an F.
Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2020 09:46 AM (7X3UV)

------------

Wow.

Sunday morning crowd is rough.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at October 18, 2020 09:55 AM (sy5kK)

108 A Prayer for Owen Meany two thumbs up.


I liked that a lot. Does Irving still write?

Posted by: Bamdersnatch at October 18, 2020 09:55 AM (q2K0j)

109 89 80 Test
Posted by: Puddin Head at October 18, 2020 09:42 AM (wZxsP)


I can't grade you until I know where you fall on the Intersectionality Matrix.

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at October 18, 2020 09:56 AM (PiwSw)

110 Greetings to fellow Book Threadists on this gorgeous autumn morning. Hope everyone had a great week of reading and many cups of delicious coffee.

Posted by: JTB at October 18, 2020 09:56 AM (7EjX1)

111 About halfway through Herodotus, for one, and I'm again just flabbergasted by what a towering work and towering achievement it is. This guy spent his life wandering the entire "known" world, paying his way by telling his Histories to crowds in the marketplace, for donations, and writing down all he discovered.

He started it all by traveling every fucking where, learning unfamiliar languages and finding people who knew what was going on. Every "mistake" he made was understandable, like thinking of snow in the northern climates as feathers falling from the sky because that's how it was explained to him as a vivid simile.

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 18, 2020 09:56 AM (y7DUB)

112 A student said he warned his teacher about showing caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad, considered blasphemous by Muslims, days before he was decapitated on a Paris street in what French President Emmanuel Macron called an "Islamist terrorist attack."



Martial Lusiela, 15, told NBC News he was "shocked" by Friday afternoon's attack in the middle-class suburb of Conflans-Sainte-Honorine, north-west of the French capital.
"I didn't expect a decapitation - it went too far," he said




Yeah, just a little too far.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 18, 2020 09:57 AM (lEMIS)

113 I just finished Mayflower: A Story of Courage, Community and War by Nathaniel Philbrick. It was a great read and I definitely recommend it for anyone wanting to read accounts of those early days of the Pilgrims' arrival to New England, and the years that followed. A lot of attention is given to that first year, which of course most of us know were riddled with disease, death and true hardship. It's hard to believe those 100+ passengers had the courage to sail across the Atlantic and then deal with all the misery and uncertainty they faced. How frightening it all must've been. The book covers approximately the years 1620-1670s, concluding after the end of King Philip's War. It dispels the myths of the first Thanksgiving, and gives a lot of insight into the challenges they faced with the various Indian tribes (some friendly, some not). One character I knew little about that really jumped out and made an impression on me was Benjamin Church, whose actions during King Philip's War, and his targeted befriending with other tribes was pretty impressive. Great book.

Posted by: Lady in Black at October 18, 2020 09:57 AM (O+I8R)

114 Sandeful is trying to be too smart by half.

Posted by: Weaning is hard at October 18, 2020 09:58 AM (2DOZq)

115 I agree with her 100%. The Declaration of
Independence was a letter sent to King George saying that we were
breaking off from England and listed all the reasons why.
Posted by: Vic at October 18, 2020 09:09 AM (mpXpK)


I am going to suggest a pamphlet by Lysander Spooner (attorney, philosopher, abolitionist and gadfly) called The Unconstitutionality of Slavery.
The Constitution is criticized in certain circles as being a failed social experiment, but that is a wrong take, the Constitution is a contract and an plan to run a government. The amendments are a form of rider.

In this pamphlet, which is an abolitionist tract, he sets out that the only way to treat the Constitution is as a contract written by a small group of politicians and ratified throughout the various states, and in a very early take on Originalism, it is to mean, like any contract, exactly what it says and not what we think was meant: should a small group get together in secret, he says, to write a contract saying one thing but intending another, it is not a valid argument to say that the intent is more important than what is agreed to in writing by the ratifiers.

In a later pamphlet, The Constitution of No Authority, he points out that no-one alive, even when he was writing, had signed on to the Constitution, and in fact no citizen directly at the time signed the ratification of the Constitution except through a representative: as such the Constitution did not have authority over the individual citizen, nor was it intended to. The Constitution does have authority over the members in the government who do swear to uphold it and obey it upon election or appointment.

Spooner is considered outdated, but I do like his take. He became much more radical in his views as he grew older.



these are both in Gutenberg


The Unconstitutionality of Slavery by Lysander Spooner (1845)

http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/31844

No Treason, Vol. VI. The Constitution of No Authority (1870)

http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/36145




Posted by: Kindltot at October 18, 2020 09:58 AM (WyVLE)

116 Martial Lusiela, 15, told NBC News he was "shocked" by Friday afternoon's attack in the middle-class suburb of Conflans-Sainte-Honorine, north-west of the French capital.
"I didn't expect a decapitation - it went too far," he said

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A lashing would've been much more in line with the proper meted out punishment of showing muhammad cartoons, right?

Posted by: Lady in Black at October 18, 2020 10:00 AM (O+I8R)

117 It's hard to believe those 100+ passengers had the courage to sail across the Atlantic and then deal with all the misery and uncertainty they faced.


Who told them it was a good idea to move to New England in the late Fall, especially not knowing how to farm or fish?

Posted by: Bamdersnatch at October 18, 2020 10:01 AM (q2K0j)

118 The Spiritual Danger of Donald Trump
30 Evangelical Christians on Justice, Truth, and Moral Integrity
________

(Vichy) French Davidians.

I always wonder about those sort. As Protestants, would they have rejected Henry VIII because he really wasn't quite the thing? He was the actual Original Orange Man Bad. (Ivana and Marla are still alive, at least.) So therefore they should, by analogy to today, have resisted the break with Rome.

One weakness of religion today is excessive fideism. The thing is it always places so much on what you feel in your heart that, when your heart goes wrong (as it always tends to, remember), you go wrong.

The essence of real faith is not that it be irrational - it isn't - it's holding to what one rationally believes when it's hard to do. Think by analogy of the men who stayed through the winter at Valley Forge. It wasn't that they signed up against reason. What was unseen was the benefit of sticking with Washington, and seeing it through.

But as usual, I'm just peeing into the wind.

Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2020 10:01 AM (7X3UV)

119 51 I wonder if "Who Dis" is MPPPP's favorite actress. I don't recall the name.
Posted by: Emmie at October 18, 2020 09:24 AM (4JM5Y)

NOT Theda Bara

Posted by: CN at October 18, 2020 10:01 AM (ONvIw)

120 A Short History of Tractors in Ukrainian was a hoot.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 18, 2020 10:02 AM (wZxsP)

121 "our Constitution was written not to empower democracy, but to secure liberty."

I keep saying, we are a nation "conceived in liberty", not founded as a platform for capitalism. Especially not "Global Capitalism". We have an ocean of laws constraining "capitalism" in order to preserve liberty. Consumers are not always going to make the choice that automatically results in liberty (Americans still buy Nike shoes or electronic gadgets made by slaves, even child slaves).


The move toward socialism/communism takes away individual liberty, and turns the human into raw capital ... living widgets to be controlled for maximum profit. Then Gross Profits bought our government, and now our public servants serve Corporatism, and even foreign interests when they "spread the wealth around" by greasing certain influential palms (as seen most clearly with Biden/Clintons foreign bribes ... but Republicans and Wall Street played their part).


The initial Tea Party ... the Brits were mercantilist (which is OK), but also empire builders, and the colonies were ordered to serve them. The Brits (Royalty) were "globalists" more like China, where they wanted coercive control over all the lands they conquered, the whole world paying into their "center of the universe" power in London. I'm still working on that exact economic analogy ... but I think it is fitting, even though they claimed to be Christian and "Western".

Posted by: illiniwek at October 18, 2020 10:02 AM (Cus5s)

122 Finished the final volume in Dean Koons's five book Jane Hawk series. It was a wild ride but he wrapped it up in a very satisfying way.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Counter-Revolutionary She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at October 18, 2020 09:24 AM (Dc2NZ)

Good to hear. I stopped after the third one.

Posted by: NaughtyPine - now with extra naughtiness at October 18, 2020 10:02 AM (/+bwe)

123 Test
Posted by: Puddin Head
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First we need to know your race, what you identify as, your sex and gender, your sexual identity, what your sexual preferences are, your age, dogs or cats, Long bows or crossbows, and your hair color.

Posted by: lin-duh en-nui at October 18, 2020 10:02 AM (UUBmN)

124
A lashing would've been much more in line with the proper meted out punishment of showing muhammad cartoons, right?
Posted by: Lady in Black at October 18, 2020 10:00 AM (O+I8R)

Sadly Europe is to weak to throw the garbage out. FRance is trying to export it to the UK and should be bombed.

Posted by: CN at October 18, 2020 10:03 AM (ONvIw)

125 If I admitted that I've never read "A Prayer for Owen Meany" because I thought it was about the United Auto Workers would I still be allowed on the Book Thread?

Posted by: creeper at October 18, 2020 10:03 AM (XxJt1)

126 Who told them it was a good idea to move to New England in the late Fall, especially not knowing how to farm or fish?

Posted by: Bamdersnatch at October 18, 2020 10:01 AM (q2K0j)

They were supposed to land in Virginia...ran low on beer.

Posted by: BignJames at October 18, 2020 10:03 AM (AwYPR)

127 National Abortion Rights Action League Calls For Feinstein Removal After Barrett Hearings

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Poor baby!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 18, 2020 10:04 AM (+y/Ru)

128 Working on the grandsons' reading this week. The idiotic teachers seem
to think that unless they were involved, kids made no progress on
reading levels. I recorded him reading several times and sent the
recordings to her...crazy witch. I will not tolerate the idea that she
wants him to regress or to "prove" he can read lower level books when he
easily reads much higher ones. Just a stupid waste

Posted by: CN at October 18, 2020 09:06 AM (ONvIw)


this is how teachers destroy kids' love of reading.

Sooooo. Treat it, with your grandson, as an exercise in "speech and elocution" and sight reading. No need to let the teacher know this.

Posted by: Kindltot at October 18, 2020 10:04 AM (WyVLE)

129 I read the first part of Kerouac's On The Road and I think I'm learning why previous acquaintances never recommended it to me instead of books by Beat writers like Burroughs and Paul Bowles, because their books were better. It's not bad per se and has a certain small appeal, but he tosses a gazillion characters at you, none of them particularly memorable other than him insisting they are, and it's mostly just a word jumble of aimless people doing aimless things. It's entertaining enough that I won't stop reading it but I can't see anything subsequent making it seem like a disappointment.

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 18, 2020 10:04 AM (y7DUB)

130 I'm currently reading the non fiction How to Survive the End of the World as We Know It by James Wesley Rawles.

What?

Posted by: Weaning is hard at October 18, 2020 10:05 AM (2DOZq)

131 ...making it NOT seem like a disappointment.

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 18, 2020 10:05 AM (y7DUB)

132 Thank you for the recommendation of the book about Jimmy Stewart. And yes, like you, I can't help but think that the depth of the pain that he shows at the climax of "Wonderful Life" was charged by his wartime experiences. When George Bailey buried his face in his hands, saying "Let me live again! Dear God, please let me live again!", he may have been repeating the prayer of the men, his comrades and his friends, who had died before his eyes.

Like you, I know men who served in combat. And yes, I have no frame of context in which to understand their experiences - it would be like trying explain color to a man blind from birth. All I can do is shut up and listen, and be there for them.

Posted by: Brown Line at October 18, 2020 10:06 AM (S6ArX)

133 Georgetown University Hires Peter Strzok as an Adjunct

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Doesn't say whether his subject will be ethics or sexuality.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 18, 2020 10:06 AM (+y/Ru)

134 One weakness of religion today is excessive fideism. The thing is it always places so much on what you feel in your heart that, when your heart goes wrong (as it always tends to, remember), you go wrong.

...

Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2020 10:01 AM (7X3UV)


"The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked; who can know it?"

--Jeremiah 17:9

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at October 18, 2020 10:06 AM (PiwSw)

135 I read the first two Jason Fforde books and enjoyed them. Can't recall why I didn't continue the series but it wasn't lack of interest. Time to revisit the books.

Posted by: JTB at October 18, 2020 10:06 AM (7EjX1)

136 OT, NY Post story on polls tightening. The donks are a top down org and as such have enormous institutional inertia.

https://tinyurl.com/y26v6dpl

Posted by: Jamaica NYC at October 18, 2020 10:06 AM (4vNgL)

137 Capt Hate, did you actually finish On The Road? I gave up around page 60 or so.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 18, 2020 10:07 AM (wZxsP)

138 Jon Voight Calls Biden "Evil"/, Urges American's to Vote for Trump

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Jeez, tell me something I don't know.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 18, 2020 10:09 AM (+y/Ru)

139 Kind of fun to imagine a melding of Kerouac's "On the Road" with Cormac McCarthy's "The Road".

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Counter-Revolutionary She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at October 18, 2020 10:09 AM (Dc2NZ)

140 Georgetown University Hires Peter Strzok as an Adjunct

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 18, 2020 10:06 AM (+y/Ru)

Can't leave DC, huh?

Posted by: BignJames at October 18, 2020 10:09 AM (AwYPR)

141 Steve Kornaki is the poll guy at NBC/MSNBC with the Big Board.

On Friday he had a segment where he said they revisited their flawed 2016 polling and made fixes and then applied those fixes to 2020. (I expect this was mostly flawed Turnout assumptions.) Lo and behold, Trump is now ahead in most of the battlegrounds and close in the others. I expect Trump is ahead in all, if other fixes were made (high Shy Tory, Hispanics turning to Trump, Biden Bribes, etc.)

So he and NBC are quietly admitting that they've been lying to everyone for months with bad polls.

Posted by: Ignoramus at October 18, 2020 10:10 AM (9TdxA)

142 "Who told them it was a good idea to move to New England in the late Fall, especially not knowing how to farm or fish?"

Winter cruise rates are lower?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 18, 2020 10:10 AM (3D/fK)

143 Sooooo. Treat it, with your grandson, as an exercise in "speech and elocution" and sight reading. No need to let the teacher know this.
Posted by: Kindltot at October 18, 2020 10:04 AM (WyVLE)

Well as it's virtual, I will do what I want, what he likes, and call the Superintendent if needed. The list she sent was heavily weighted toward girls, which is another strike against this asshoe. And naturally, she still can't figure out how to post workable assignments and we are six weeks in.

Posted by: CN at October 18, 2020 10:10 AM (ONvIw)

144 My WWII vet hubby talked a lot about his war. Not a word out of the Viet Nam vet...he'd blotted everything out. That says more to me than any expert's article analyzing war.

Posted by: creeper at October 18, 2020 10:10 AM (XxJt1)

145 Iranian Man Punished with 80 Lashes for Receiving Communion Wine

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Don't give the Senate Democrats any ideas!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 18, 2020 10:10 AM (+y/Ru)

146 133 AW you have to love how Leftist betters get no work contracts.

Posted by: Skip at October 18, 2020 10:11 AM (OjZpE)

147 72
how intentional choices make holy habits.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 18, 2020 08:17 AM (WkPC9)
Posted by: vmom's roots at October 18, 2020 09:38 AM (nUhF0)
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Aquinas agreed. There's an article of the Summa on just that.

Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2020 10:11 AM (7X3UV)

148 Last week I mentioned that I had finally picked up, and read almost at a sitting, the 1999 tribute to author and detective Ellery Queen, The Tragedy of Errors. After reading Mike W. Barr's account of how Ellery was portrayed in the comics, I ordered his 1999 tribute story, The Maze Agency No. 9: The English Channeler Mystery.

The comic has a strong movie-like flavor, with continually surprising angles and shots. And the story is very very EQ-like, with a false solution followed by the true one, a "Challenge to the Reader," and plausible and yet bizarre murder methods and scenes. At the end, we get icing on the cupcake: a moment where Ellery counsels one of the private detectives he is working with -- echoing and quoting from a scene at the end of the greatest EQ novel, Cat of Many Tails.

I'm not a comics fan nowadays. But if you're an Ellery fan, you owe to yourself to find and read this, from another big fan.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 18, 2020 10:11 AM (rpbg1)

149 Hi, all. I'm in the middle of Harry's Trees by Jon Cohen. It was recommended by Book Bub and had wildly high ratings on Amazon. It's going by fast, but I don't see what all the reviews saw. Yet. I'll report back if it gets to the "re-read stage," which lots of reviewers said.

Also reading Mini Habits for Weight Loss, another high rated tome. The author makes a great case for the power of habit and how cultivating tiny positive habits is just as easy as all the tiny habits we all already have where we eat just 100 or so extra calories per day, which leads to an average of 10-plus pounds each year.

Posted by: SandyCheeks at October 18, 2020 10:12 AM (T2vnY)

150 "If a black cat crosses your path, it signifies that the animal is going somewhere."

- Groucho Marx, determinist

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Joe Biden killed my career at October 18, 2020 10:12 AM (HaL55)

151 Working on the grandsons' reading this week. The idiotic teachers seem
to think that unless they were involved, kids made no progress on
reading levels. I recorded him reading several times and sent the
recordings to her...crazy witch. I will not tolerate the idea that she
wants him to regress or to "prove" he can read lower level books when he
easily reads much higher ones. Just a stupid waste

Posted by: CN at October 18, 2020 09:06 AM (ONvIw)

this is how teachers destroy kids' love of reading.

Sooooo. Treat it, with your grandson, as an exercise in "speech and elocution" and sight reading. No need to let the teacher know this.
Posted by: Kindltot at October 18, 2020 10:04 AM (WyVLE)


There are quite a number of teachers that should be nowhere near kids.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 18, 2020 10:12 AM (89T5c)

152 Posted by: Brown Line at October 18, 2020 10:06 AM (S6ArX)

Yeah I always said it was probably like explaining the feeling of becoming a parent for the first time. You think you would have an idea of what it's like but you really have no idea. I grew up with a Marine father who saw combat in Korea. I don't think we spoke one word of it.

Posted by: Weaning is hard at October 18, 2020 10:12 AM (2DOZq)

153 They were supposed to land in Virginia...ran low on beer.


This is a version. Another is that the Captain was coasting along Cape Cod and ran into Pollock Shoals Rip (which is still there, and is nasty) and turned around to find another place to land. He said his contract said Virginia and everything over here was Virginia so here.

Still, even if they'd reached real Virginia, is November the time to show up with no food and no skills?

Posted by: Bamdersnatch at October 18, 2020 10:13 AM (q2K0j)

154
(Vichy) French Davidians.



I always wonder about those sort. As Protestants, would they have
rejected Henry VIII because he really wasn't quite the thing? He was the
actual Original Orange Man Bad. (Ivana and Marla are still alive, at
least.) So therefore they should, by analogy to today, have resisted the
break with Rome.


Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2020 10:01 AM (7X3UV)

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They would have applauded enthusiastically to Henry, then sided with Mary, then loved loved loved Elizabeth.

They always trim their sails to where they think the wind is blowing.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 18, 2020 10:13 AM (cfSRQ)

155 Donald Westlake's Dortmunder stories are dynamite. He describes John as a little, modest-looking man. But for some reason I still see the young Robert Redford as Dortmunder. Nobody in '70s film, or maybe even now, does comic exasperation like Redford, and that ability is crucial to interpreting Dortmunder.

I describe these stories to people: "Imagine if the Seinfeld characters were professional robbers."

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 18, 2020 10:15 AM (rpbg1)

156 There are quite a number of teachers that should be nowhere near kids.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 18, 2020 10:12 AM (89T5c)

This one should never have been involved with virtual education. She has minimal computer skills, posts assignments that cannot be accessed, then blames everyone but herself.

Posted by: CN at October 18, 2020 10:15 AM (ONvIw)

157 Still, even if they'd reached real Virginia, is November the time to show up with no food and no skills?

Posted by: Bamdersnatch at October 18, 2020 10:13 AM (q2K0j)

Maybe they intended to "drop in" on the Jamestown folks?

Posted by: BignJames at October 18, 2020 10:15 AM (AwYPR)

158 Gave up for a while on the Marxist collection on feudalism and capitalism. I reach a point where the BS level gets to me. I will say this much for them, though: they really did try to construct an argument, however badly they manage it. The just go round in circles.

Nowadays, even that is too much. I used to try to read the other side; but it's become pointless. So when I do, I look to older stuff.

Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2020 10:15 AM (7X3UV)

159 Catherine Herridge must be taking the weekend off

no biggie, just the biggest story in her lifetime is breaking

guess CBS bought her sources too

Posted by: REDACTED at October 18, 2020 10:16 AM (R3uW8)

160 I read the first part of Kerouac's On The Road and I think I'm learning why previous acquaintances never recommended it to me

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I never understood why that book made such a big splash.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 18, 2020 10:16 AM (+y/Ru)

161
willowed

365
If Wray would have made public the details of the hard drive that is now going public when they first received it from the computer repair shop, then according to Steve Bannon:


- Bernie Sanders would be the Democrat candidate right now, and

- there would have been NO Trump impeachment early last year, and instead, America could have instead been working on figuring out Covid, at the time new on the scene.

So yeah, Wray had better have a good reason he withheld this information from Senator Ron Johnson's investigative committee.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at October 18, 2020 09:49 AM (sy5kK)

Bannon Sky News interview from last night.
https://tinyurl.com/y2kpmzhx
20:00 mark or 4:30 mark if you have more time.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at October 18, 2020 10:16 AM (sy5kK)

162 I have been on a personal journey reading Christian apologetics. Raised a Roman Catholic, I became agnostic in my 20s/30s and, now (after more reading of philosophy) am back to being RC (although I regard Frankie the Red a Communist usurper).

Read G.K. Chesterton's Heretics. First published in 1905 it is a series of essays in which his Catholic faith is not fully explained. It is mainly concerned with current events and mainly in the vein of "this guy is full of $h!t and here's why." However, there are some interesting thoughts concerning Christianity and how it manifests itself. An annotated version probably would have been useful to put the book in context. Rating = 3.5/5.0.

Currently working through The New Evidence That Demands a Verdict by Josh McDowell. Published in 1999, it collects and updates "Evidence" and its sequel that were originally published in the 1970s. A thick book, it incorporates numerous citations and is presented in an outline format: this allows the reader to dip into it for specific concepts and answering critiques of Christianity. This is more of a study of the historicity/divinity of the Bible and Jesus Christ. Seems to be geared a bit more toward Protestantism, the author is critical of the Council of Trent's recognition of The Apocrypha. Includes a large bibliography, biographical sketches of some prominent Christian thinkers, and an essay by C.S. Lewis. Rating = 4.5/5.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at October 18, 2020 10:17 AM (pJWtt)

163 I read the first part of Kerouac's On The Road


I read it last year. No. 1 Son had recommended And the Hippos Were Boiled in Their Tanks, an obscure collaboration between Kerouac and William Burroughs from ten years before they were famous. It was non-bad, so I picked up On the Road.

I don't want to dissuade you from finishing it, but for me it went sharply downhill and I now hate Kerouac.

Do keep reading, please, and tell us what you think.

Posted by: Bamdersnatch at October 18, 2020 10:17 AM (q2K0j)

164
So yeah, Wray had better have a good reason he withheld this information from Senator Ron Johnson's investigative committee.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at October 18, 2020 09:49 AM (sy5kK)

He does. He wants a return to Obama and graft.

Posted by: CN at October 18, 2020 10:17 AM (ONvIw)

165 Reading a part of Schama's Landscape and Memory about when Walpole and a buddy (I'm too lazy to look up who, I think he was a poet named Sand) were taking a Grand Tour of starting in Paris and eventually going over the Alps to Italy. Back then it wasn't known how mountains were formed since the theory was when God made the world it was as smooth as an egg and the giant flood was caused by, in addition to a shit ton of rain, internal water in the center of the world rising up, for whatever reason and causing giant wrinkles in the previously smooth surfaces. Anyway at this time mountains were being romanticized as being more than annoying impediments to getting from point A to point B, which was what drove the two young guys to make the trek (I think the two fops were being carried on a litter and things took a decidedly non romantic turn when Walpole's dog was snagged by a wolf).

Anyway it was one of those meandering sections that Schama narrates very well.

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 18, 2020 10:18 AM (y7DUB)

166 I'm always looking for good, light reading and the Westlake Dortmunder books sound about right. Worth the try and they should be super inexpensive at the used book store. Thanks for the suggestion.

Posted by: JTB at October 18, 2020 10:18 AM (7EjX1)

167 It's been said, and I think with good reason, that much of the appeal of socialism (as promised) is the idea of having Big Brother take care of you, because the real world is so daunting.

So when FDR said "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself", he wasn't saying 'be brave', he was saying 'WE will provide and protect'.

When the word 'freedom' no longer means individual liberty to live life, but rather 'freedom from fear and want' you get socialism.

Posted by: Muldoon at October 18, 2020 10:18 AM (m45I2)

168 Re: the comment about Elizabeth Berg, I think its hard for many of us who hang out here to comprehend the mindset, out there.
I was asked to interview several authors two years ago, and one of the guidelines set by the forum was "no politics", which is probably wise in this day and age.
In our preliminary discussions, one of the participants (not a well-known name) was going to break the rule, and bash Trump (her book was a political thriller)
No matter what the I or the others said, she was confident that her job was to educate everyone else. She wasn't angry, or argumentative, she was just certain we didn't understand how important it was.
You see this a lot, in the traditional publishing world. It's gospel, and they are only mildly surprised that you don't "get" it, but it doesn't change their mindset.

Posted by: artemis at October 18, 2020 10:18 AM (AwPyG)

169 There's a new hardback I need for my library, and I tried to order it through ebay rather than Amazon. You know, support a brick-and-mortar store with an e-business side-hustle, rather than the massive corporate empire. Well, after a week of nothing, my order was cancelled by the seller...Grrrr....I guess I needed a reminder than Amazon became what it is for very good reasons...

Posted by: Castle Guy at October 18, 2020 10:18 AM (Lhaco)

170 Still, even if they'd reached real Virginia, is November the time to show up with no food and no skills?



Posted by: Bamdersnatch at October 18, 2020 10:13 AM (q2K0j)

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November allows you to prepare for next spring's planting. Easier to clear brush, cut lumber and wood cut after the frost will burn easier than when it is green and wet.

Your food stores will keep better in the cold than the heat of summer as well.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 18, 2020 10:19 AM (cfSRQ)

171 148
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 18, 2020 10:11 AM (rpbg1)
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I have an EQ edited book "Challenge to the Reader" which consists of stories in which the detective's name is changed, and part of the challenge is to figure who wrote it, and who was the detective.

Some work, some don't. One problem is they don't change the name of the sidekick, so Holmes is a gimme. (Not that I didn't know it anyway, but even if I hadn't, how to miss?)

All were pre-WWII, so many you'd expect weren't there. One clear message: no one else wrote like GKC.

Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2020 10:19 AM (7X3UV)

172 If your current situation is so bad that you crowd yourself onto a small ship to travel on dangerous seas to go to an unknown land inhabited by savages I'd say you had no choice.

Posted by: Weaning is hard at October 18, 2020 10:19 AM (2DOZq)

173 Factory Man buy Beth Macy. Good read about the Bassett Furniture company and how John Bassett III took on Washington and China to stop the dumping of Chinese imports, and was instrumental in saving the American furniture business. Great history of the furniture industry and how China tried, and nearly succeeded, killing off an American industry, and decimated many small industry towns. JB III is a helluva fighter.

Posted by: Hunters crack pipe at October 18, 2020 10:20 AM (ww3Ol)

174 150 "If a black cat crosses your path, it signifies that the animal is going somewhere."

- Groucho Marx, determinist
Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Joe Biden killed my career at October 18, 2020 10:12 AM (HaL55)
________

My guess is he's stalking the chicken across the road.

Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2020 10:20 AM (7X3UV)

175 "The Smart Set" was a literary magazine, edited by a man whose name is not unmentioned here.

That sure looks like Clara Bow reading it.
Posted by: Port Huron at October 18, 2020


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Everybody who was anybody in the '20s appeared in Smart Set. Dorothy Parker published some early pieces there; I think Dashiell Hammett even had an early story, non-crime; and Willard Huntington Wright, who later became best-selling mystery author S.S. Van Dine, was the editor for a time (I think).

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 18, 2020 10:22 AM (rpbg1)

176 Maybe they intended to "drop in" on the Jamestown folks?
Posted by: BignJames at October 18, 2020 10:15 AM (AwYPR)

Would have starved right along with them then...the Jamestown knuckleheads also didn't know how to fish or farm, able to do much of anything. Visited Jamestown with the spawns last summer, was amazed at what dopes they were to think they were going to survive in a new world not knowing how to farm or raise livestock. They also picked an area for their original settlement that had been completely hunted out by the Indians years before, but instead of moving inland, they just stayed and, well starved...

Posted by: Boswell at October 18, 2020 10:22 AM (w2LAm)

177 So yeah, Wray had better have a good reason he withheld this information from Senator Ron Johnson's investigative committee.



Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at October 18, 2020 09:49 AM (sy5kK)

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If it's being used in a criminal proceeding, that's a good reason.

Worth pointing out that this wasn't leaked, Rudy had a parallel copy.

Also worth pointing out: *NOTHING* would have stopped impeachment. It was going to happen, period. If the FBI released this info, the Dems would have added "Corruption of the FBI" to their list of charges and gotten agents to testify that supplying favorable evidence to the president is a gross, unprecedented abuse of power.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 18, 2020 10:22 AM (cfSRQ)

178 Posted by: Muldoon at October 18, 2020 10:18 AM (m45I2)

I've mentioned that a lot of East Germans after the wall fell and Germany was unified longed for the return of East Germany.

Posted by: Weaning is hard at October 18, 2020 10:23 AM (2DOZq)

179 Anyway, the 7yo will read non-fiction as he likes that better, and she (the teacher) will deal with it. I will be getting "Where the Red Fern Grows" and a few books with boy main characters. The princessy suggestions were fucking stupid.

Posted by: CN at October 18, 2020 10:23 AM (ONvIw)

180 I have an EQ edited book "Challenge to the Reader" which consists of stories in which the detective's name is changed, and part of the challenge is to figure who wrote it, and who was the detective.

Some work, some don't. One problem is they don't change the name of the sidekick, so Holmes is a gimme. (Not that I didn't know it anyway, but even if I hadn't, how to miss?)

All were pre-WWII, so many you'd expect weren't there. One clear message: no one else wrote like GKC.
Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2020


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I understand Doyle's heirs were incensed by that book and got it suppressed for a while, so it was hard to find.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 18, 2020 10:23 AM (rpbg1)

181 Posted by: Boswell at October 18, 2020 10:22 AM (w2LAm)

I'm sorry, I was being facetious.

Posted by: BignJames at October 18, 2020 10:24 AM (AwYPR)

182 'Fun fact: "Strap a live chicken to it" is the medieval plague doctor version of "Slap a hot iron on it" '

Good advice is timeless.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Joe Biden killed my career at October 18, 2020 10:24 AM (HaL55)

183 151 Working on the grandsons' reading this week. The idiotic teachers seem
to think that unless they were involved, kids made no progress on
reading levels. I recorded him reading several times and sent the
recordings to her...crazy witch. I will not tolerate the idea that she
wants him to regress or to "prove" he can read lower level books when he
easily reads much higher ones. Just a stupid waste

Posted by: CN at October 18, 2020 09:06 AM (ONvIw)

this is how teachers destroy kids' love of reading.

Sooooo. Treat it, with your grandson, as an exercise in "speech and elocution" and sight reading. No need to let the teacher know this.
Posted by: Kindltot at October 18, 2020 10:04 AM (WyVLE)


There are quite a number of teachers that should be nowhere near kids.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 18, 2020 10:12 AM (89T5c)
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I know I've told before of my 4th grade teacher who told mom to take away the Adventures of Sherlock Holmes because it was above grade level. Fortunately, dad called BULLSHIT on that. All caps because that's how he said it. And he prefigured the last line above.

I'm the eldest. Mom later admitted that she had trusted teachers to know what they were doing. My younger sibs benefited from her experience with my teachers.

Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2020 10:24 AM (7X3UV)

184 @148 --

I bought "The Maze Agency" -- I bought a lot of independent comics then -- but dropped it, either because of boredom or finances.

I don't remember whether I got up to issue 9, and I'm sure I don't have those anymore.

Posted by: Weak Geek at October 18, 2020 10:24 AM (u/nim)

185 I'm always looking for good, light reading and the Westlake Dortmunder books sound about right. Worth the try and they should be super inexpensive at the used book store. Thanks for the suggestion.
Posted by: JTB at October 18, 2020


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Look also for the hard-boiled crime novels about a thief named Parker with the byline "Richard Stark." That was Westlake too -- and they are as unlike Donald's comic crime/mystery stories as a series can get.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 18, 2020 10:24 AM (rpbg1)

186 If your current situation is so bad that you crowd
yourself onto a small ship to travel on dangerous seas to go to an
unknown land inhabited by savages I'd say you had no choice.

Posted by: Weaning is hard at October 18, 2020 10:19 AM (2DOZq)

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The "tolerant" Church of England did a banner job burning Catholics and Non-Conformists at the stake, didn't they?

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 18, 2020 10:25 AM (cfSRQ)

187 I bought "The Maze Agency" -- I bought a lot of independent comics then -- but dropped it, either because of boredom or finances.

I don't remember whether I got up to issue 9, and I'm sure I don't have those anymore.
Posted by: Weak Geek at October 18, 2020


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I had to buy No. 9 from a seller on Amazon. Now that I realize it came out 21 years ago, I figure I'm lucky to have found it at all.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 18, 2020 10:26 AM (rpbg1)

188 Started reading Vanity Fair. Based on the first four chapters, this is going to be a great book.

Posted by: Who knew at October 18, 2020 10:26 AM (SfO/T)

189 Would have starved right along with them then...the
Jamestown knuckleheads also didn't know how to fish or farm, able to do
much of anything. Visited Jamestown with the spawns last summer, was
amazed at what dopes they were to think they were going to survive in a
new world not knowing how to farm or raise livestock. They also picked
an area for their original settlement that had been completely hunted
out by the Indians years before, but instead of moving inland, they just
stayed and, well starved...

Posted by: Boswell at October 18, 2020 10:22 AM (w2LAm)

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They thought they would be conquistadors, piling up gold and making the locals grow food for them.

Spaniards got all the luck.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 18, 2020 10:27 AM (cfSRQ)

190 Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 18, 2020 10:22 AM (cfSRQ

Seems old Chrissy Wray is investigating a possible Russian connection, which is code for "I'm not doing shit to hurt the Bidens".

Posted by: CN at October 18, 2020 10:27 AM (ONvIw)

191 @169
You can hate Amazon's guts all you want, but they've done an amazing job at getting books into people's hands, all over the world, so you have to give that to them.

Posted by: artemis at October 18, 2020 10:27 AM (AwPyG)

192 @155 --

I see Dortmunder as Nicholas Cage in "Raising Arizona" but with a better haircut. Hangdog expression.

Posted by: Weak Geek at October 18, 2020 10:29 AM (u/nim)

193 Seems old Chrissy Wray is investigating a possible
Russian connection, which is code for "I'm not doing shit to hurt the
Bidens".

Posted by: CN at October 18, 2020 10:27 AM (ONvIw)

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I don't really care. I did, but it's boring now.

Either things will happen or they won't. Can't musted the energy to hate on these guys any more.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 18, 2020 10:29 AM (cfSRQ)

194 House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) has given the White House a 48-hour deadline to reconcile differences in stimulus negotiations "to demonstrate that the administration is serious about reaching a bipartisan agreement," a top Pelosi aide tweeted Sunday night.

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Translation from Pelosi-speak: Surrender Dorothy Trump!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 18, 2020 10:29 AM (+y/Ru)

195 You can hate Amazon's guts all you want, but they've done an amazing job at getting books into people's hands, all over the world, so you have to give that to them.
Posted by: artemis at October 18, 2020 10:27 AM (AwPyG)

Do they deliver banned books in China and the Middle East?

Posted by: Weaning is hard at October 18, 2020 10:29 AM (2DOZq)

196 I read it last year. No. 1 Son had recommended And the Hippos Were Boiled in Their Tanks, an obscure collaboration between Kerouac and William Burroughs from ten years before they were famous. It was non-bad, so I picked up On the Road.

I don't want to dissuade you from finishing it, but for me it went sharply downhill and I now hate Kerouac.

Do keep reading, please, and tell us what you think.
Posted by: Bamdersnatch at October 18, 2020 10:17 AM (q2K0j)


It's what my book group is reading so I'll surely finish it (the only ones I've stopped reading are more contemporary and far more annoying) even just to have a joint roundly trashing it discussion like we did for Gravity's Rainbow. Burroughs is a pretty funny and oddly compelling writer. I have no idea why he collaborated with Kerouac although using his temporary celebrity as a way of getting drugs ranks high on the likelihood scale.

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 18, 2020 10:29 AM (y7DUB)

197 "... the loss of men under his command took away his youthful good looks."
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My mother would have objected to that. She loved him both pre- and post-war. I do recall my parents watching Rear Window and arguing over who was the real eye candy.

I agreed with Dad.
Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2020 09:19 AM (7X3UV)


You're Dad was correct. The guy in "It's a Wonderful Life" is definitely not the same guy pre-WWII. Combat changes a person. Jimmy Stewart performances after the war had a harder edge.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at October 18, 2020 10:29 AM (pJWtt)

198 I'm the eldest. Mom later admitted that she had trusted teachers to know what they were doing. My younger sibs benefited from her experience with my teachers.
Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2020 10:24 AM (7X3UV)

Good for your dad. Deliberately dragging a class toward the lowest common denominator should be a crime. It's all about the teacher's convenience these days.

Posted by: CN at October 18, 2020 10:30 AM (ONvIw)

199 Re: the comment about Elizabeth Berg, I think its hard for many of us who hang out here to comprehend the mindset, out there.
I was asked to interview several authors two years ago, and one of the guidelines set by the forum was "no politics", which is probably wise in this day and age.
In our preliminary discussions, one of the participants (not a well-known name) was going to break the rule, and bash Trump (her book was a political thriller)
No matter what the I or the others said, she was confident that her job was to educate everyone else. She wasn't angry, or argumentative, she was just certain we didn't understand how important it was.
You see this a lot, in the traditional publishing world. It's gospel, and they are only mildly surprised that you don't "get" it, but it doesn't change their mindset.
Posted by: artemis at October 18, 2020 10:18 AM (AwPyG)

Thanks for the perspective. I readily admit that I have reached the 'reject reject reject' stage of all-things-leftist these days, especially wrt the woke brigade.

Posted by: one of the quiet ones at October 18, 2020 10:30 AM (3GzTP)

200 Started reading Vanity Fair. Based on the first four chapters, this is going to be a great book.
Posted by: Who knew at October 18, 2020 10:26 AM (SfO/T)


It is. I enjoyed every bit of it and it still reads incredibly fresh today.

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 18, 2020 10:31 AM (y7DUB)

201 They thought they would be conquistadors, piling up gold and making the locals grow food for them.

Spaniards got all the luck.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 18, 2020 10:27 AM (cfSRQ)

I've never seen a literary treatment of the Spanish expeditions of Pardo thru the Carolinas and Tenn. All I've been able to find is scholarly stuff.

Posted by: BignJames at October 18, 2020 10:32 AM (AwYPR)

202 176 Maybe they intended to "drop in" on the Jamestown folks?
Posted by: BignJames at October 18, 2020 10:15 AM (AwYPR)

Would have starved right along with them then...the Jamestown knuckleheads also didn't know how to fish or farm, able to do much of anything. Visited Jamestown with the spawns last summer, was amazed at what dopes they were to think they were going to survive in a new world not knowing how to farm or raise livestock. They also picked an area for their original settlement that had been completely hunted out by the Indians years before, but instead of moving inland, they just stayed and, well starved...
Posted by: Boswell at October 18, 2020 10:22 AM (w2LAm)
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N A M Rodger explains this as coming about because they approached it as a military expedition - which the English were familiar with - rather than a settlement, which they weren't. In the former, you can expect death and starvation as real possibilities. But where they landed, there wasn't enough developed farmland to loot and live off, as there would have been in France or Spain.

So it wasn't quite so dumb as it looks, or at least, not in the same way.

Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2020 10:33 AM (7X3UV)

203 I don't really care. I did, but it's boring now.

Either things will happen or they won't. Can't musted the energy to hate on these guys any more.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 18, 2020 10:29 AM (cfSRQ)

It's not boring to me, but I have accepted that they are slow walking any action against democrats and will continue to do so. There is nothing I can do about it, but it still rankles me to see it excused or hear people justify the actions of people like this.

Posted by: CN at October 18, 2020 10:33 AM (ONvIw)

204 Visited Jamestown with the spawns last summer, was amazed at what dopes they were to think they were going to survive in a new world not knowing how to farm or raise livestock. They also picked an area for their original settlement that had been completely hunted out by the Indians years before, but instead of moving inland, they just stayed and, well starved...
Posted by: Boswell at October 18, 2020 10:22 AM (w2LAm)

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And to think, they could have had the first Diageo distributorship on an entire continent. They wouldn't have needed to learn to farm.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 18, 2020 10:33 AM (wPVhA)

205 Arthur Conan Doyle's "heirs" have been trying for years to capitalize on his works, even though copyright ran out years ago.

A group of authors wrote a compendium of Holmes stories and the project wound up in federal court, if I remember correctly. The heirs lost, and now they have no teeth, anymore.

Posted by: artemis at October 18, 2020 10:34 AM (AwPyG)

206 191

All my free library reads come through Amazon to my kindle. Pretty amazing service so they deserve my occasional purchase.
I know a lot of you like to own paper versions and often reread. I rarely reread and most of the time it is by accident so don't care to own copies. Even when I did, I would donate them to the library figuring to share the enjoyment.
Since March, it has been exclusively ebooks and now pretty much hooked. The only book I didn't finish was Sanderson's The Way of Kings. It is 1000 pages so now waiting to get another copy from the library so I can finish it.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 18, 2020 10:35 AM (sd8p8)

207 East German men had little to barter when the wall fell. The young women had assets.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 18, 2020 10:35 AM (wZxsP)

208 It's not boring to me, but I have accepted that they
are slow walking any action against democrats and will continue to do
so. There is nothing I can do about it, but it still rankles me to see
it excused or hear people justify the actions of people like this.

Posted by: CN at October 18, 2020 10:33 AM (ONvIw)

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My outrage meter shorted out sometime in 2019. Basically when Sundance went all black pill because he pet theory was proven false.

You'll notice I don't comment on threads dealing with this stuff because boring.

Either Trump is a chump or he isn't. We'll find out soon enough.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 18, 2020 10:36 AM (cfSRQ)

209 The Declaration pre-exists an American government. How could it be law?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 18, 2020 09:08 AM (oVJmc)

It can't. The claim that the DOI overrules the Constitution is flawed from the start. The DOI is reasons for leaving an existing government. It is not the law. It wasn't something hammered out over months of negotiations among the various states. Jefferson could be as flowery as he wanted in the DOI because it is not a document of law. Heinlein takes on his Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness in 'Starship Troopers.'

Posted by: WOPR - Free Kyle Rittenhouse at October 18, 2020 10:36 AM (qEHbV)

210 Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop

RBC, as someone in a somewhat similar position, I recommend Graham Greene's The End Of the Affair.

It's by turns wrenching, funny, and many different kinds of amazing. Most of all it's about grace. And it's oh so beautifully written as well. The movie, if you've seen it, is only a pale suggestion of the novel.

Posted by: Hierominous Botch at October 18, 2020 10:37 AM (YqED9)

211 I see Dortmunder as Nicholas Cage in "Raising Arizona" but with a better haircut. Hangdog expression.
Posted by: Weak Geek at October 18, 2020


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There is a scene in one of the novels in which Dortmunder is walking through the park, and a thug tries to mug him. Dortmunder doesn't carry a gun or a knife. He gives the mugger a steady look, "Do you really want to screw with me?", that scares the hell out of the guy, and he flees, leaving Dortmunder to finish his walk in peace.

I don't know if I can see Cage doing that.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 18, 2020 10:38 AM (rpbg1)

212 162 I have been on a personal journey reading Christian apologetics. Raised a Roman Catholic, I became agnostic in my 20s/30s and, now (after more reading of philosophy) am back to being RC (although I regard Frankie the Red a Communist usurper).

Read G.K. Chesterton's Heretics. First published in 1905 it is a series of essays in which his Catholic faith is not fully explained. It is mainly concerned with current events and mainly in the vein of "this guy is full of $h!t and here's why." However, there are some interesting thoughts concerning Christianity and how it manifests itself. An annotated version probably would have been useful to put the book in context. Rating = 3.5/5.0.


Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at October 18, 2020 10:17 AM (pJWtt)
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That was the first Chesterton I read. I recall his essay on a guy named McCabe was quite funny.

Remember that GKC didn't actually join the Church until the 20s. At the time, he was actually an Anglican (as I once was - at best Anglicans seem to operate as a AAA team for Rome.)

I did see someone sound point out that Frankie cannot really be a true Commie, because he doesn't have the intellectual discipline for that. Rings true to me. His best feature is that he is really fuzzy minded; so he can't really form a proper heretical thought. Thank you, Holy Spirit, for that.

Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2020 10:38 AM (7X3UV)

213 Just put "The Hot Rock" into my Netflix quequeeg. Thanks, Book Thread!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Counter-Revolutionary She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at October 18, 2020 10:38 AM (Dc2NZ)

214 In recent weeks I've listened to a couple of books about Christianity in hard places (I.e. China, the old Soviet bloc and Muslim nations).
One thing that seemed to make an enormous difference in their ability to be strong in their faith despite intense persecution was coming to the understanding that freedom is from God not the government.
The books were deeply affecting. The next time I get to preach I plan to about breaking fear.

BTW the 30 evangelical leaders are not fit to clean the shoes of the most humble Chinese who received his education in prison.

Posted by: Northernlurker, still lurking after all these years at October 18, 2020 10:38 AM (lgiXo)

215 It's been a week for reading about hobbies.

"Old Time Whittling": a nice basic beginner's book on the topic with some instructive examples to try.

Reading a lot of articles about aspects of ham radio such as using and restoring a Vibroplex Bug, QRP operation, and plenty of reviews about a Heathkit HW-8 and Icom 756 II transceivers, and ways to revive very dormant CW skills.

Posted by: JTB at October 18, 2020 10:38 AM (7EjX1)

216 Socialism is a secular religion. Also environmentalism.
Posted by: cool breeze at October 18, 2020 09:43 AM (UGKMd)


One of the chapters in Six Modern Myths by Philip J. Sampson exposes the neo-Pagan / anti-Christianity roots of environmentalism.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at October 18, 2020 10:38 AM (pJWtt)

217 illiniwek, every one was a mercantilist at that time. The main difference economically between the colonies and England was the willingness for the colonies to issue fiat money - which began in the 1600's when Massachusetts began issuing promissory notes to raiders they had hired to go attack the French around Quebec, and got whipped and didn't bring any booty back to be paid with - and at least Massachusetts at the time understood that mercenaries need to be paid or they pay themselves. One of the disputes with England was the demand that the colonies stop issuing fiat currencies and return to specie.


(I am in the middle of reading Murry Rothbard's History of Money and Banking in the United States - and it is like reading an Anne Rule book. It is a very deep review of the step by step descent into tragedy and commission of horrific crimes )

Posted by: Kindltot at October 18, 2020 10:39 AM (WyVLE)

218 When the word 'freedom' no longer means individual liberty to live life, but rather 'freedom from fear and want' you get socialism.
Posted by: Muldoon at October 18, 2020 10:18 AM (m45I2)


The country's always been divided into people who want to be taken care of and ruled versus people who want to be left alone. That the latter still have a voice and a demand to exercise it is the American exceptionalism that Gaylord never had a clue about when he'd witlessly opine on it and reveal his profound ignorance.

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 18, 2020 10:39 AM (y7DUB)

219 @203
I think it's pretty clear they were waiting on another seat on the Supreme Court, which is why we've had this strange situation with RBG for years.
One of the theories going around is the importance of the military trials issue--remember, that was one of the first orders Trump did, way back when.
And remember when the Dems asked Kavanaugh how he felt about it, and then went scorched earth to take him out?
If people are arrested for sedition, that's going to be a blockbuster USSC case--can they be tried by a military court or a DC jury? You can see the difference in outcome.

Posted by: artemis at October 18, 2020 10:39 AM (AwPyG)

220 I guess in theory you can have liberty in anarchy but I don't think it's the type of liberty people are looking for.

Posted by: Weaning is hard at October 18, 2020 10:40 AM (2DOZq)

221

MyNorthwest.com

https://tinyurl.com/y5vcpbwk

Sammamish Police are warning people to be diligent about checking their mailboxes after bags of mail - including ballots were stolen from local mailboxes.

Police found two garbage bags of mail dumped at opposite ends of the city in Sahalee to the north and off Lake Sammamish Parkway to the south. The mail inside them included ballots, which were sent out in King County this week.

Police and postal workers are now in the process of re-delivering that mail to its rightful owners.

Postal workers in Redmond also found about 30 Sammamish ballots and six Issaquah ballots unaccompanied by other mail in a bank of locked mailboxes.
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Oh, the King County and WA state voting officials assure us the system is secure, and never mind. This can't happen, they assure us. While taking their six-figure salaries, sweet extensive benefits, and fat retirement.

Until votes are treated like bank transactions and not game pieces in a give away contest, using the mail to vote cannot be as accurate as in person voting at a booth.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at October 18, 2020 10:40 AM (sy5kK)

222 ABC with George StaphInfection "This Week" not mentioning a single important thing that, you know, actually happened this week - the Biden emails, Hunter's illicit photos, the tech companies running afoul of the public by censoring these things, etc.

ABC "This Week" is running with Wretched Gretchen's blubbering over Trump, and the fact that a lot of people are voting early (good for Dems!) trying to spin the poor showing by Dems in early voting PCT as reeeee! victory by suggesting 'absentee' voting for dems at 57% is, like, the smell of victory or something.

My wife watches this show - when I ask why, in God's name, why? She says she wants to know what other side is watching...I say just go to the DNC website and read it all there for yourself, you don't need Georgie to read it off for you on his show...

Posted by: Boswell at October 18, 2020 10:41 AM (w2LAm)

223 167...When the word 'freedom' no longer means individual liberty to live life, but rather 'freedom from fear and want' you get socialism.

Posted by: Muldoon at October 18, 2020 10:18 AM (m45I2)


Very insightful. This one is going into my AOSHQ Comments Hall of Fame.

Progressives like to redefine all the words. This is a perfect example.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at October 18, 2020 10:41 AM (3Z6en)

224 You're Dad was correct. The guy in "It's a Wonderful Life" is definitely not the same guy pre-WWII. Combat changes a person. Jimmy Stewart performances after the war had a harder edge.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at October 18, 2020


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Oh, yes. There were exceptions: Wonderful Life and Harvey, and a little British film (not a comedy) called No Highway in the Sky, in which Stewart plays a absent-minded, tweedy aircraft engineer. But with things like Rear Window, Vertigo, and his tough Anthony Mann Westerns like The Naked Spur, he could not have carried those off the same way if they had been made before the war.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 18, 2020 10:42 AM (rpbg1)

225 Guys/gals --

Good luck finding Westlake/Stark books in used-book stores. They're non-existent, especially the Stark novels.

They're in my category of Estate Sales Only -- that is, the original buyer didn't want to let them go.

University of Chicago Press reissued the Stark books a few years ago. I bought almost all of them in one batch from B&N. Have yet to read most of them.

Also look for Darwyn Cooke's graphic novel adaptations of the Stark books. Pity he died after completing only four.

Posted by: Weak Geek at October 18, 2020 10:42 AM (u/nim)

226 Posted by: artemis at October 18, 2020 10:27 AM (AwPyG)

They certainly have. Getting needlework, or any art/craft technique really, books is a dream compared to 30 years ago. It's amazing. I suspect the increased availability has also led to a lot of books being reissued that would have otherwise been lost.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at October 18, 2020 10:43 AM (uquGJ)

227 Finished up Jonathan Spence's _God's Chinese Son_ this week. Spoiler: the Taipings get crushed.

It's impossible to read about the Taiping Rebellion and not think of the early history of Islam. Very strong parallels. Moderately successful guy who thought he deserved better gets exposed to a garbled version of Christianity and it absolutely blows his mind. Gathers a band of followers and sets out to, essentially, Take Over The World. Meets with surprising success due to political weakness and the utter moral and intellectual bankruptcy of the local society.

There's probably a parallel universe in which the Church of S****tology followed the same path.

Posted by: Trimegistus at October 18, 2020 10:44 AM (QZxDR)

228 Just put "The Hot Rock" into my Netflix quequeeg. Thanks, Book Thread!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Counter-Revolutionary She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at October 18, 2020


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There is another in the series called Bank Shot, filmed with (for some reason) George C. Scott as Dortmunder. I don't know about the film, but the novel is a classic of How Things Can Go Wrong, Even When You've Planned It to the Last Detail.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 18, 2020 10:44 AM (rpbg1)

229 200 Started reading Vanity Fair. Based on the first four chapters, this is going to be a great book.
Posted by: Who knew at October 18, 2020 10:26 AM (SfO/T)


After you finish it, you should watch the Vanity Fair miniseries available on Amazon Prime. Very well done.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at October 18, 2020 10:45 AM (3Z6en)

230 I endorse the ThursdayNext recommendation. A great series for Book lovers!

Posted by: Mike at October 18, 2020 10:45 AM (wG9U4)

231 I finished "Killing Crazy Horse".
Wow, there were some gruesome stories in there.
Tales of the Indian Wars.
Highly recommended.
Now, I think I shall read a Churchill bio.

Posted by: navybrat, at home at October 18, 2020 10:46 AM (w7KSn)

232 I've never seen a literary treatment of the Spanish expeditions of Pardo thru the Carolinas and Tenn. All I've been able to find is scholarly stuff.
Posted by: BignJames at October 18, 2020 10:32 AM (AwYPR)

The what now? First I've ever heard of this. Did it start from Florida?

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at October 18, 2020 10:46 AM (uquGJ)

233 Posted by: Muldoon at October 18, 2020 10:18 AM (m45I2)

Very insightful. This one is going into my AOSHQ Comments Hall of Fame.

Progressives like to redefine all the words. This is a perfect example.
Posted by: OregonMuse

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Much as I might like to take credit for that, it has been said many times before by people much wiser and smarter. It is a concept that has resonated with me since I first ran across it.

What is the old observation (not by me): Original thought is much like original sin, it happened long ago to someone other than me.

Posted by: Muldoon at October 18, 2020 10:47 AM (m45I2)

234 197 "... the loss of men under his command took away his youthful good looks."
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My mother would have objected to that. She loved him both pre- and post-war. I do recall my parents watching Rear Window and arguing over who was the real eye candy.

I agreed with Dad.
Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2020 09:19 AM (7X3UV)

You're Dad was correct. The guy in "It's a Wonderful Life" is definitely not the same guy pre-WWII. Combat changes a person. Jimmy Stewart performances after the war had a harder edge.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at October 18, 2020 10:29 AM (pJWtt)
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That wasn't quite the point. Remember who co starred in Rear Window.

My all time beautiful actress list changes, but the top 3 are constant:

1. Hedy Lamarr (not Headley)
2. Louise Brooks (see above)
3. Grace Kelly.

After that, well, it depends on how I feel.

Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2020 10:48 AM (7X3UV)

235 Speaking of It's a Wonderful Life , I always get a kick out of the scene where George picks up the paper that has the headline about his brother Harry. I imagine the discussion with the Horde if we were all watching it together.

Harry Bailey Wins The Congressional Medal of Honor.

Posted by: Weaning is hard at October 18, 2020 10:48 AM (2DOZq)

236 @211 --

I haven't read that one. OK, strike Cage. Keep hangdog expression.

Posted by: Weak Geek at October 18, 2020 10:48 AM (u/nim)

237 I'm always looking for good, light reading and the Westlake Dortmunder books sound about right. Worth the try and they should be super inexpensive at the used book store. Thanks for the suggestion.
Posted by: JTB at October 18, 2020 10:18 AM (7EjX1)

You'd probably like the "Hap and Leonard" series by Joe R. Lansdale. They're a scream. I think the first of the bunch is Bad Chili.

Posted by: SandyCheeks at October 18, 2020 10:49 AM (T2vnY)

238 215 It's been a week for reading about hobbies.

"Old Time Whittling": a nice basic beginner's book on the topic with some instructive examples to try.

Reading a lot of articles about aspects of ham radio such as using and restoring a Vibroplex Bug, QRP operation, and plenty of reviews about a Heathkit HW-8 and Icom 756 II transceivers, and ways to revive very dormant CW skills.
Posted by: JTB at October 18, 2020 10:38 AM (7EjX1)


I snapped up a collection of Barbara Walker knitting books. These tend to be heavily used, and with no attributions, by current young knitting "designers".

Posted by: CN at October 18, 2020 10:49 AM (ONvIw)

239 There were a lot of priests who willingly suffered hardship and death for their faith, and its a shame no one is honoring their legacy.

St. Matthew Kolbe, is one--he volunteered to take a condemned man's place in a Nazi concentration camp. Van Ly and Van Thuan were Vietnamese priests who were tortured and held in prison for years.

There are lots of examples, and I imagine many of them are unknown but to God.

Such a far cry from the ones we have today, who are ascared of germs.
China may be the exception--I imagine there are some brave priests in China right now.

Posted by: artemis at October 18, 2020 10:50 AM (AwPyG)

240 Reading "To save us all from Ruin:A Muldoon Family Adventure" and have to say I'm enjoying it. Muldoon must have done a bunch of research on the Italian campaign to get down all the detail. Good work, Muldoon!

Based on your book, I would have guessed you were a Vetenarian though, rather than a Cardiologist.

Posted by: Last at October 18, 2020 10:50 AM (BdIMF)

241 My all time beautiful actress list changes, but the top 3 are constant:

1. Hedy Lamarr (not Headley)
2. Louise Brooks (see above)
3. Grace Kelly.

After that, well, it depends on how I feel.
Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2020


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Last week I found Hedy's 1947 vehicle, Dishonored Lady, on YouTube and enjoyed it quite a bit. There are plot holes you could pilot a P-51 Mustang through, but it's vivid and entertaining. She's lovely and convincing throughout.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 18, 2020 10:50 AM (rpbg1)

242 Weak Geek @ 192: Nicholas Cage from Raising Arizona as Dortmunder is a positively brilliant suggestion.

Posted by: Who knew at October 18, 2020 10:50 AM (SfO/T)

243 There's a new hardback I need for my library, and I tried to order it through ebay rather than Amazon. You know, support a brick-and-mortar store with an e-business side-hustle, rather than the massive corporate empire. Well, after a week of nothing, my order was cancelled by the seller...Grrrr....I guess I needed a reminder than Amazon became what it is for very good reasons...
Posted by: Castle Guy at October 18, 2020 10:18 AM (Lhaco)


I sympathize; I try to minimize buying books through Amazon (partly because their search engine for books seems to suck) and have had a few bad experiences through eBay. Mainly it's because the seller can't locate a listing because mislaid/sold.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at October 18, 2020 10:50 AM (pJWtt)

244 @213 --

You'll be in for a treat.

When you're done, please tell me what "working the smack" means.

Posted by: Weak Geek at October 18, 2020 10:51 AM (u/nim)

245 I did see someone sound point out that Frankie cannot really be a true Commie, because he doesn't have the intellectual discipline for that. Rings true to me. His best feature is that he is really fuzzy minded; so he can't really form a proper heretical thought. Thank you, Holy Spirit, for that.
Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2020 10:38 AM (7X3UV)

The best description I've seen is that Francis is anti -peronist. Peron was anti Communist among other things, so Frankie has some default Communist tendencies just in opposition to Peron.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at October 18, 2020 10:52 AM (Wm5SB)

246 I watched a documentary about Hedy Lamarr. It was full of a lot of girl-power crap, but her life was interesting enough to get me through the unearned praise.

Late in life she got WEIRD.

Posted by: Trimegistus at October 18, 2020 10:52 AM (QZxDR)

247 136 OT, NY Post story on polls tightening. The donks are a top down org and as such have enormous institutional inertia.

https://tinyurl.com/y26v6dpl

Posted by: Jamaica NYC at October 18, 2020 10:06 AM (4vNgL)

From what I understand, Trump's GOTV effort on the ground is amazing ( as compared to Romney's stupid Project Orca). The Dems think that buying a lot of ad time is enough.

People have rightly warned us not to make too much of the enthusiasm gap. Dems may not love Biden but they sure do hate Trump.

However, here's how it might make a difference: a person who is all wound up and excited after a Trump rally might join the GOTV effort and try to persuade non-voters to vote Trump.

What are the Trump haters doing besides bitching to each other online? Are they out there trying to reach the non-voters? I believe they think it's so self-evident that Trump is terrible (and if you don't think so, they'll call you names rather than persuade) that they don't need to get their asses out there knocking on doors.

The donks have lost the patience and reason required to persuade. All they can do is name-call.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V at October 18, 2020 10:53 AM (HabA/)

248 My all time beautiful actress list changes, but the top 3 are constant:

1. Hedy Lamarr (not Headley)
2. Louise Brooks (see above)
3. Grace Kelly.

After that, well, it depends on how I feel.
Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2020

1. Rita Hayworth
2. Raquel Welch
3. Heather Graham

Posted by: Weaning is hard at October 18, 2020 10:54 AM (2DOZq)

249 @213 (again) --

Oh, you said Netflix. I thought you were getting the book.

Forget my request.

Posted by: Weak Geek at October 18, 2020 10:54 AM (u/nim)

250 @226
I'm one of those people who likes to read a series in order, and in the old days I remember driving around to many a bookstore trying to find the next book. The Cadfael series nearly killed me.
Now it's easy, and there are even websites to tell you the order of books.

Posted by: artemis at October 18, 2020 10:54 AM (AwPyG)

251 I just finished:

1) Autobiography of Joel Grey, entitled "Master of Ceremonies." Quite good. His account of his struggle to get the Emcee role in the film "Cabaret," after creating the part on Broadway, is fascinating. Director Bob Fosse just didn't want Grey in the movie. Period. However, the producers told Fosse, "Either you cast Grey as Emcee, or you're fired." Pretty persuasive argument. Grey performed continuously in one entertainment medium or another for... over 60 years, btw.

2) "The Murder Department," a true crime, non-fiction account of the investigation & arrest of the USSR's most notorious serial killer. The book was made into an excellent film called "Citizen X." Provides a fascinating look at life in Russia right before the USSR imploded.

I'm also still sawing away on a very difficult academic history called "Christendom Destroyed," which covers the era from Luther to the end of the Thirty Years War in 1648. It's comprehensive (science; the New World, etc.)... and man is it tedious.

Posted by: mnw at October 18, 2020 10:55 AM (Cssks)

252 You can hate Amazon's guts all you want, but they've done an amazing job at getting books into people's hands, all over the world, so you have to give that to them.
Posted by: artemis at October 18, 2020 10:27 AM (AwPyG)


You're correct but occasionally I'll want an obscure book that few of Amazon's approved vendors have so I'd have to pay out the wazz for it that I can search elsewhere on the web and find lots of low cost alternatives.

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 18, 2020 10:55 AM (y7DUB)

253 245 I did see someone sound point out that Frankie cannot really be a true Commie, because he doesn't have the intellectual discipline for that. Rings true to me. His best feature is that he is really fuzzy minded; so he can't really form a proper heretical thought. Thank you, Holy Spirit, for that.
Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2020 10:38 AM (7X3UV)

Yep. There is no intellectual coherence there.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V at October 18, 2020 10:55 AM (HabA/)

254 Posted by: Last at October 18, 2020 10:50 AM (BdIMF)

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Thank you.

A lot of the framework re: the Italian campaign and Anzio came from my father's diary. Dates, place names, other contemporary war news, etc. I actually did a chronological tour on Google Earth of all the place names I could identify, from initial arrival in North Africa, through Italy and later on into southern France. Some background historical reading helped me round out the actual campaign elements, and then I spun the whimsical tale on that framework. I had a lot of fun doing it. Glad you have enjoyed it.

Posted by: Muldoon at October 18, 2020 10:57 AM (m45I2)

255 You're Dad was correct. The guy in "It's a Wonderful Life" is definitely not the same guy pre-WWII. Combat changes a person. Jimmy Stewart performances after the war had a harder edge.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at October 18, 2020

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Oh, yes. There were exceptions: Wonderful Life and Harvey, and a little British film (not a comedy) called No Highway in the Sky, in which Stewart plays a absent-minded, tweedy aircraft engineer. But with things like Rear Window, Vertigo, and his tough Anthony Mann Westerns like The Naked Spur, he could not have carried those off the same way if they had been made before the war.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 18, 2020 10:42 AM (rpbg1)


The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance.

In an odd way, it's almost autobiographical. He brings an intensity to that role, that maybe was somewhat out of place for the story. Turns what might have been a simple story of dealing with the town bully, into a deeper story of a man's personal journey from naive and of little use, to THE most important man around.

And the movie wants us to believe that was due to the misunderstanding. Yeah, no. It was due to the transformation that occurred inside of him. The events of the film transformed him, not the perceptions of others.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 18, 2020 10:57 AM (hku12)

256 From what I understand, Trump's GOTV effort on the ground is amazing

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You'd think Biden's ground game would be better considering he's from under a rock.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 18, 2020 10:57 AM (+y/Ru)

257 223 167...When the word 'freedom' no longer means individual liberty to live life, but rather 'freedom from fear and want' you get socialism.

Posted by: Muldoon at October 18, 2020 10:18 AM (m45I2)

Very insightful. This one is going into my AOSHQ Comments Hall of Fame.

Progressives like to redefine all the words. This is a perfect example.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at October 18, 2020 10:41 AM (3Z6en)

But disqualified for absence of limerick form.
Yes, Muldoon, a challenge!

Posted by: RI Red at October 18, 2020 10:58 AM (B0F3M)

258 1. Hedy Lamarr (not Headley)
2. Louise Brooks (see above)
3. Grace Kelly.

After that, well, it depends on how I feel.
Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2020

Ava and Gene would like a word with you

Posted by: REDACTED at October 18, 2020 10:58 AM (R3uW8)

259 Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop

RBC, as someone in a somewhat similar position, I recommend Graham Greene's The End Of the Affair.

It's by turns wrenching, funny, and many different kinds of amazing. Most of all it's about grace. And it's oh so beautifully written as well. The movie, if you've seen it, is only a pale suggestion of the novel.
Posted by: Hierominous Botch at October 18, 2020 10:37 AM (YqED9)


Thanks for the recommendation. Wrote it down in my "To Buy" list (the HQ Book Thread is harmful to my bank account!! ). Have not seen the movie.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at October 18, 2020 11:00 AM (pJWtt)

260 43 I'm currently reading The Woman in the Window by A.J. Finn. I almost gave up on it. I cannot stand his style of writing. It's choppy, he flips between the past and present, which is fine but his style makes it hard to understand what the hell is going on. I'm enough into it to want to finish because it's an intriguing story, but I doubt I will ever pick up one of his books again.
Posted by: Jewells45 at October 18, 2020 09:19 AM (nxdel)

^^Jewells45 I just read that!! yes, I think he's trying to create doubt about the narrator but it's just annoying. Some people in my book club picked up on things right away which I did not (don't want to spoil things!). I thought some of his twists and turns were creative, but it was kinda hard to like the main character...

Posted by: Iris at October 18, 2020 11:00 AM (lSFe/)

261 The best description I've seen is that Francis is anti -peronist. Peron was anti Communist among other things, so Frankie has some default Communist tendencies just in opposition to Peron.
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at October 18, 2020 10:52 AM (Wm5SB)


I read somewhere, at a Catholic site, that when Frankie was a seminarian or shortly thereafter, he sold out one of his fellow Jesuits to the ruling authorities, Peron or someone else, and has been working off his guilt ever since.

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 18, 2020 11:01 AM (y7DUB)

262 Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2020 10:38 AM (7X3UV)

The best description I've seen is that Francis is anti -peronist. Peron was anti Communist among other things, so Frankie has some default Communist tendencies just in opposition to Peron.
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at October 18, 2020 10:52 AM (Wm5SB)


Kinda like saying your college student daughter, when she comes home spouting marxist crep, she's not really a commie, just influenced by her lack of intellect and the influence of her surroundings.

Except your daughter doesn't have the ear of a bazillion people around the world, who can't quite wrap their heads around the fact that she's full of crap, and you should stop listening to her.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 18, 2020 11:01 AM (hku12)

263 "Seems old Chrissy Wray is investigating a possible
Russian connection, which is code for "I'm not doing shit to hurt the
Bidens" Posted by: CN

I assume Wray and Haspel know all about the Biden Crime Family, know a lot about pedophiles roaming the DC hallways, keep a lot of those things as leverage (The Federalist has an article on that). There is little reason to believe they ever intended to act aggressively to stop any of it, and they would be happier with Biden the stooge than Trump the reformer.


it may be feasible that they knew Rudy would get the intel, and it would be more useful as campaign oppo research than a drawn our investigation ... But I doubt that ... too many years of obstructing and harming Trump. But for those that "Trust the Plan", maybe it is all coming together, and Trump winning in a landslide is part of the plan.


But I must say, Dems seem to be doing everything possible to show America how corrupt they are, and what BLM/Antifa style terrorism they have planned for the commoners. Running a Dementia patient ... bold move?

Posted by: illiniwek at October 18, 2020 11:02 AM (Cus5s)

264 1. Cary Grant
2. Gary Cooper
3. Paul Newman/Robert Taylor.

I'd definitely rank Tierney above Ava, btw

Posted by: CN at October 18, 2020 11:02 AM (ONvIw)

265 I'm the eldest. Mom later admitted that she had trusted teachers to know what they were doing. My younger sibs benefited from her experience with my teachers.
Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2020 10:24 AM

I became a teacher after working in another career, so I tell people this: School of Ed classes are great if the instructors are real teachers; awful if they are consultants to school districts. One of my instructors at Wayne State told us, "Don't hold the bright kids back." It is important advice, particularly with all the special ed kids in regular class (and the advocacy groups ready to sue on their behalf).

This year, I was handed an honors class and my principal said, "It'll be the same as the regular; just go through the material faster." He has no clue that if I am TEACHING, as opposed to presenting material, the honors class will be very different. Some of my students - including boys! Hallelujah! - are already writing short stories for fun. I want to encourage them, not stifle their love of words.

Posted by: NaughtyPine - now with extra naughtiness at October 18, 2020 11:02 AM (/+bwe)

266 250 @226
I'm one of those people who likes to read a series in order, and in the old days I remember driving around to many a bookstore trying to find the next book. The Cadfael series nearly killed me.
Now it's easy, and there are even websites to tell you the order of books.
Posted by: artemis at October 18, 2020 10:54 AM (AwPyG)
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Personally, I usually don't care about the order. And which order? Some series aren't written in the internal chronological sequence (e.g, Narnia and Judge Dee. And Holmes, for that matter.)

One question is, in which ones does it matter more, and which less? In most of Wodehouse I don't care, but in the Madeline Basset subset of the Brinkley cycle of the Jeeves stories, I do think it helps. Also the Aubreyad. But Nero Wolfe? Not so much. (I still wish for the cook-off between Fritz and Anatole.)

BTW, I found Cadfael disappointing. Felt too modern in sensibilty. Maybe that's just me.

Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2020 11:03 AM (7X3UV)

267 251 I just finished:

1) Autobiography of Joel Grey, entitled "Master of Ceremonies." Quite good. His account of his struggle to get the Emcee role in the film "Cabaret," after creating the part on Broadway, is fascinating. Director Bob Fosse just didn't want Grey in the movie. Period. However, the producers told Fosse, "Either you cast Grey as Emcee, or you're fired." Pretty persuasive argument. Grey performed continuously in one entertainment medium or another for... over 60 years, btw.

Posted by: mnw at October 18, 2020 10:55 AM (Cssks)


Fosse should consider himself lucky. He could've woken up one morning next to a horse's head.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at October 18, 2020 11:03 AM (3Z6en)

268 East German men had little to barter when the wall fell. The young women had assets.
Posted by: Puddin Head at October 18, 2020 10:35 AM (wZxsP)

Have these men come see me. I take trades.

Posted by: Ed Buck, Democrat Fund Raising Sodomite at October 18, 2020 11:03 AM (Z+IKu)

269 But I must say, Dems seem to be doing everything possible to show America how corrupt they are, and what BLM/Antifa style terrorism they have planned for the commoners. Running a Dementia patient ... bold move?
Posted by: illiniwek at October 18, 2020 11:02 AM (Cus5s)

Actually it is a bold move. Many donks I know believe it will literally be an Obammy third term and are delighted by that.

Posted by: CN at October 18, 2020 11:03 AM (ONvIw)

270 As for books, just arrived: Jack Cashill's "Unmasking Obama," and Mark Dice's "Hollywood Propaganda."

I'm not expected to learn much from either, and may not pick up either until well after the election. Bought them now because it's worth making sure these authors are supported, and the numbers make it more difficult for the would-be censors to silence them.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 18, 2020 11:04 AM (hku12)

271 The SF writer John Wright is a Catholic convert and covers religious topics on his blog. He's been careful to point out that while Pope Francis has done a lot of running his mouth about political and social issues, the pope hasn't changed Church doctrine. But since journalists are staggeringly ignorant, the news people don't seem to be able to understand that the Pope's personal opinion isn't automatically what Catholics have to believe.

Posted by: Trimegistus at October 18, 2020 11:04 AM (QZxDR)

272 261 The best description I've seen is that Francis is anti -peronist. Peron was anti Communist among other things, so Frankie has some default Communist tendencies just in opposition to Peron.
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at October 18, 2020 10:52 AM (Wm5SB)

I read somewhere, at a Catholic site, that when Frankie was a seminarian or shortly thereafter, he sold out one of his fellow Jesuits to the ruling authorities, Peron or someone else, and has been working off his guilt ever since.
Posted by: Captain Hate at October 18, 2020 11:01 AM (y7DUB)
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He's supposed to be the successor of Peter, not Judas.

Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2020 11:05 AM (7X3UV)

273 I finished Michael Behe's The Edge of Evolution this week. The essence of his argument is that the protein-based systems that operate within a cell are enormously complex. To make even relatively simple alterations in these interactions in a way that increases the fitness of the organism requires multiple specific, contemporaneous changes to the amino acid sequences of the organism's nucleic acid that, probabilty-wise, could not have occurred randomly, not even in all the the time that life has existed on Earth. Therefore, Darwinian evolution cannot account for the astonishingly complex systems that are needed for even the most basic forms of life to function.

The argument was well done and relied on some really interesting observations about malaria and the human immune system. I would recommend it to anyone who's interested in the challenges that standard Darwinism faces in the light of recent discoveries in molecular biology.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 18, 2020 11:06 AM (wPVhA)

274 The Woman in the Window is a combination of Rear Window, and The Girl on the Train.
The Girl on the Train had what they call an "unreliable narrator" where the reader can't necessarily believe what the narrator is telling them. (Agatha Christie did this--can't remember the book.)
So, because TGOTT sold so well, you see a million copycats about 18 months later, with unreliable narrators.
This happens a lot, where the publishers have a herd mentality--we are due for a million copycats of Where the Crawdads Sing any minute now.

Posted by: artemis at October 18, 2020 11:06 AM (AwPyG)

275 The Girl on the Train had what they call an "unreliable narrator" where the reader can't necessarily believe what the narrator is telling them. (Agatha Christie did this--can't remember the book.)
So, because TGOTT sold so well, you see a million copycats about 18 months later, with unreliable narrators.
This happens a lot, where the publishers have a herd mentality--we are due for a million copycats of Where the Crawdads Sing any minute now.
Posted by: artemis at October 18, 2020 11:06 AM (AwPyG)


And Then There were None is the Christie book

Posted by: CN at October 18, 2020 11:08 AM (ONvIw)

276 271 The SF writer John Wright is a Catholic convert and covers religious topics on his blog. He's been careful to point out that while Pope Francis has done a lot of running his mouth about political and social issues, the pope hasn't changed Church doctrine. But since journalists are staggeringly ignorant, the news people don't seem to be able to understand that the Pope's personal opinion isn't automatically what Catholics have to believe.
Posted by: Trimegistus at October 18, 2020 11:04 AM (QZxDR)
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That is true. Thank God.

I think this may be the first book thread since we moved (8/21) that I've stayed throughout. I might even have been near first, but I had to look at Louise for a while.

Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2020 11:08 AM (7X3UV)

277 I have a literature question for the Horde.

As some of you know, I am generally fond of Korean TV programs. As I watch them, there are (obviously) many cultural references I don't understand, usually involving folklore. When these come up, I will pause and go hunt down and read translations of those stories, so I can understand what I am watching.

What I have noticed is that these folk tales are usually brief (though like anything, they can be as long as you want) and contain a straightforward moral and a life lesson. They struck me as being indistinguishable from fables. This led me to a question: what is the difference between a fable and folk tale?

So I have done some research on the topic, and it seems like the distinctions drawn aren't very sensible. According to the Common Core standards - which mandate folklore education from various cultures - a fable is a story involving animals and a clear moral, while folklore is human-centered and handed down via oral tradition.

This seems silly. Fables were oral tradition just like folklore before anyone wrote them down. In our English-speaking culture, we have some fables (though they do appear to be a minority of the total) that do *not* involve animals - some of Kipling's "Just So Stories" come immediately to mind. Folk tales often involve humans and animals or, as is very common in Asia (and considered folklore according to Common Core), animals or mythical beasts that become human.

This animal-vs.-human distinction and oral-vs.-written distinction strikes me as preposterous because everything applies to both categories, and the rations even approach balance if you go across cultures. I am coming to the conclusion that there is no practical difference between a fable and folk tale.

Anyone else have knowledge or an opinion on this?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 18, 2020 11:08 AM (hYcqw)

278 Not often I comment on the Library of the Week post, but...


The library up top was probably at one time criticized as 'industrial'. Now in our age of gyp board foam moldings it looks downright classical.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 18, 2020 11:08 AM (/Dgcm)

279 Personally, I usually don't care about the order. And which order? Some series aren't written in the internal chronological sequence (e.g, Narnia and Judge Dee. And Holmes, for that matter.)

One question is, in which ones does it matter more, and which less? In most of Wodehouse I don't care, but in the Madeline Basset subset of the Brinkley cycle of the Jeeves stories, I do think it helps. Also the Aubreyad. But Nero Wolfe? Not so much. . . .
Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2020


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As a teen I skipped and skittered around both the Ellery Queen stories and the Nero Wolfes. Wolfe and Archie don't change, by design (though the Arnold Zeck trilogy should be read in order). Ellery does change, from a tweed-clad spouter of quotations to a detective affected by the people he meets and by the outcome of his cases. So I think it would help to read those in order.

The James Bond series should be read in order. In later books there are references to earlier ones; and Bond certainly changes toward the end of the career Fleming chronicles.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 18, 2020 11:10 AM (rpbg1)

280 @263
Remember that the FBI was running cover for the Jussie Smollet hoax and the Bubba Wallace hoax, until the local law enforcement released info to show what a complete farce it was.

Those guys are corrupt, top to bottom, no matter what Hannity says.

Posted by: artemis at October 18, 2020 11:11 AM (AwPyG)

281 Anyone else have knowledge or an opinion on this?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)


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A fable has truth, but is not factual.
A folk tale has facts, but is not true.

Posted by: Muldoon at October 18, 2020 11:12 AM (m45I2)

282 I am coming to the conclusion that there is no practical difference between a fable and folk tale.

Anyone else have knowledge or an opinion on this?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 18, 2020 11:08 AM (hYcqw)

Sounds like their definition of a fable is based on Aesop's fables. The characterization may seem rather arbitrary, but a fable seems kind of like a genre while a folktale is a broader not mutually-exclusive category regarding the origins of works.

Posted by: Someguy at October 18, 2020 11:12 AM (Zm+LZ)

283 Remember that the FBI was running cover for the Jussie Smollet hoax and the Bubba Wallace hoax, until the local law enforcement released info to show what a complete farce it was.

Those guys are corrupt, top to bottom, no matter what Hannity says.
Posted by: artemis at October 18, 2020 11:11 AM (AwPyG)

I totally agree. FBI is the oppo research wing of the donks.

Posted by: CN at October 18, 2020 11:12 AM (ONvIw)

284 The what now? First I've ever heard of this. Did it start from Florida?

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at October 18, 2020 10:46 AM (uquGJ)

They established a fort/settlement on Parris Island SC...St.Elena, and launched expeditions from there trying to follow DeSoto's route....built several forts in W.NC...near Morganton....Look up "Pardo Stone".

Posted by: BignJames at October 18, 2020 11:14 AM (AwYPR)

285 173 Factory Man buy Beth Macy. Good read about the Bassett Furniture company and how John Bassett III took on Washington and China to stop the dumping of Chinese imports, and was instrumental in saving the American furniture business. Great history of the furniture industry and how China tried, and nearly succeeded, killing off an American industry, and decimated many small industry towns. JB III is a helluva fighter.
Posted by: Hunters crack pipe at October 18, 2020 10:20 AM (ww3Ol)

This book is available for $1.99 on Amazon right now (down from $17.99). I'm buying it now!

Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 18, 2020 11:14 AM (4tiP2)

286 A fable has truth, but is not factual.
A folk tale has facts, but is not true.

Posted by: Muldoon at October 18, 2020 11:12 AM (m45I2)
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I like the distinction, but by such a distinction, most folk tales I have ever read (regardless of culture) are fables.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 18, 2020 11:14 AM (hYcqw)

287 I recently finished The Doors of Eden by Adrian Tchaikovsky. It is sci-fi and I am politically particular about what sci-fi books I'll buy - I have been on a Tor boycott for years.

Tchaikovsky is always, always pushing the LGBTQWXYZ+? agenda, with lots of gender-confusion and lots of gay characters. However, he(?) also knows how to write and I thoroughly enjoyed this book, along with his Children of Time series. Xhe's pretty good at bio sci-fi and does a good job of asking big questions and exploring diverse types of sentience. So highly recommended, but if a tran character really puts you off you'll have to skip.

Posted by: motionview (prep train organize) at October 18, 2020 11:15 AM (pYQR/)

288 Why is every graduate of an Ivy League school trash as a human being Okay I exaggerate.
And why are they still regarded as elite?

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at October 18, 2020 11:15 AM (lgiXo)

289 273 I finished Michael Behe's The Edge of Evolution this week. The essence of his argument is that the protein-based systems that operate within a cell are enormously complex. To make even relatively simple alterations in these interactions in a way that increases the fitness of the organism requires multiple specific, contemporaneous changes to the amino acid sequences of the organism's nucleic acid that, probabilty-wise, could not have occurred randomly, not even in all the the time that life has existed on Earth. Therefore, Darwinian evolution cannot account for the astonishingly complex systems that are needed for even the most basic forms of life to function.

The argument was well done and relied on some really interesting observations about malaria and the human immune system. I would recommend it to anyone who's interested in the challenges that standard Darwinism faces in the light of recent discoveries in molecular biology.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 18, 2020 11:06 AM (wPVhA)
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Haven't read that one. But one alternative is the one Nagel (Mind and Cosmos) suggests, along with most Thomists (Feser's Aristotle's Revenge). That is to revive Aristotle's notion of teleology. Thus the universe is internally ordered to produce life, etc.

This differs from the usual design argument in that the ordering is internal, inherent in nature, and not imposed by a designer on parts that have no such natural tendency. The difference between a machine and an organism.

Of course, from this one can infer God's existence, per Aquinas. But note that Nagel does not; he's an atheist (though about the best one out there now.) Also, this is an additional argument.

Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2020 11:15 AM (7X3UV)

290 A fable has truth, but is not factual.
A folk tale has facts, but is not true.


Posted by: Muldoon at October 18, 2020 11:12 AM (m45I2)

Well said.

Posted by: CN at October 18, 2020 11:15 AM (ONvIw)

291 288 Why is every graduate of an Ivy League school trash as a human being Okay I exaggerate.
And why are they still regarded as elite?
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at October 18, 2020 11:15 AM (lgiXo)

They are still considered "elite" because the people defining "elite" graduated from the Ivies.

Posted by: CN at October 18, 2020 11:16 AM (ONvIw)

292 Sounds like their definition of a fable is based on Aesop's fables. The characterization may seem rather arbitrary, but a fable seems kind of like a genre while a folktale is a broader not mutually-exclusive category regarding the origins of works.
Posted by: Someguy at October 18, 2020 11:12 AM (Zm+LZ)
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I had a similar thought myself. It seems like the Common Core definition is due largely to the preponderance in our culture of Aesop - and fair enough, the standard came from our culture. But it seems too arbitrary.

As to your second point, I can see a distinction there and I think you're on to something that really makes sense to me and that I hadn't considered: the folktale is the set and the fable is part of a subset. In other words, fables are folktales, but folktales may not be fables. That is worth cogitating over, and I will keep it in mind as I read more folktales.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 18, 2020 11:17 AM (hYcqw)

293 @277
My own rule of thumb would be this:
A fable has characters who are representing something other than the character itself. In the usual case, the animals are representing traits in people, with a lesson to be learned.
The Parables use people as characters to represent your relationship with God, again, with a lesson to be learned.
Folk tales don't have a lesson to be learned, but are meant to entertain (and often to scare)

Posted by: artemis at October 18, 2020 11:17 AM (AwPyG)

294 To me, there's a difference between most beautiful, most attractive and most sexy.
Beautiful is aesthetic, like a piece of art;
Attractive is beautiful and 'wow"
Sexy is beautiful, attractive and "I'd do her and I"m a woman!"

Grace Kelly and Greta Garbo are beautiful.
Hedy Lamarr and Marilyn Monroe are attractive
Sophia Loren is sexy.

Posted by: vivi at October 18, 2020 11:18 AM (11H2y)

295 That was the first Chesterton I read. I recall his essay on a guy named McCabe was quite funny.

Remember that GKC didn't actually join the Church until the 20s. At the time, he was actually an Anglican (as I once was - at best Anglicans seem to operate as a AAA team for Rome.)

I did see someone sound point out that Frankie cannot really be a true Commie, because he doesn't have the intellectual discipline for that. Rings true to me. His best feature is that he is really fuzzy minded; so he can't really form a proper heretical thought. Thank you, Holy Spirit, for that.
Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2020 10:38 AM (7X3UV)


Thanks for the insight on Chesterton's transition to Roman Catholicism. I remember reading a book about WWI (don't remember the title) and the author made the point that the Church of England forbade the Anglican priests from going to the trench-lines while the Roman Catholic priests were there in the mud with the Tommies. It made a favorable impression among the troops and there were a number of conversions from C of E to RC after the war.

Pope Francis is definitely a collectivist of some flavor. He makes the typical error of conflating collectivism with charity (either knowingly or unwittingly - I can be persuaded either way). Charity is a recognition of fellow man's Divine Spark and the voluntary aiding of those in distress through no fault of their own. Collectivism is immoral: it robs the productive of the fruit of their labor, creates dependency/infantalism in others, AND requires a ruling class to re-distribute the wealth.

Chesterton's Heretics does have a fairly constant theme regarding the unworkability of Socialism/ Progressivism (he uses both terms). In 1905, those economic/political ideas were still mainly untested theories. With over a century of failure, I suspect Chesterton would be less generous to the heretics he verbally flayed.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at October 18, 2020 11:18 AM (pJWtt)

296 My own rule of thumb would be this:
A fable has characters who are representing something other than the character itself. In the usual case, the animals are representing traits in people, with a lesson to be learned.
The Parables use people as characters to represent your relationship with God, again, with a lesson to be learned.
Folk tales don't have a lesson to be learned, but are meant to entertain (and often to scare)
Posted by: artemis at October 18, 2020 11:17 AM

I like this explanation.

Posted by: NaughtyPine - now with extra naughtiness at October 18, 2020 11:19 AM (/+bwe)

297 My own rule of thumb would be this:
A fable has characters who are representing something other than the character itself. In the usual case, the animals are representing traits in people, with a lesson to be learned.
The Parables use people as characters to represent your relationship with God, again, with a lesson to be learned.
Folk tales don't have a lesson to be learned, but are meant to entertain (and often to scare)
Posted by: artemis at October 18, 2020 11:17 AM (AwPyG)
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I had a similar consideration myself, artemis, that the distinction may be whether there is a clear, concise moral lesson at the end of the story as opposed to a wider or more generalized or ambiguous outcome (such as the religious parables often have). This brings me back to Someguy's point that one may be a subset of the other. The lines certainly seems to be blurry.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 18, 2020 11:19 AM (hYcqw)

298 Why is every graduate of an Ivy League school trash as a human being Okay I exaggerate.
And why are they still regarded as elite?
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at October 18, 2020 11:15 AM (lgiXo)


Why, it's almost as if people come with widely different sets of values, and the people who go around claiming to be elite are trying to impose theirs on everyone else, not just by touting their own but severely denigrating those of others.

Almost.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 18, 2020 11:19 AM (hku12)

299 Sophia Loren is sexy.


Sophia is going to be in a new Netflix series. She's 86. Still a one.

Posted by: Bamdersnatch at October 18, 2020 11:19 AM (q2K0j)

300 Judge Barrett's statement that the Declaration of Independence is not law is trending. She's completely wrong on this point, as I explain in my book

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I understand what she is saying completely. And I agree with it. It may serve as input into what constitutes "law" today, but in and of itself it is not law.

Posted by: runner at October 18, 2020 11:19 AM (zr5Kq)

301 277
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 18, 2020 11:08 AM (hYcqw)
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My first reaction is that folktales, pretty much by definition, are anonymous and traditional, but fables can have a specific author. Many folktales are fables, then. I agree that the definition you cite seems strained. I think it may be forced by "fable" being "fabulous". But does that describe all "dressed animal" stories? I don't think so either. Kipling, is a good counter example. So is Kenneth Graham. And what of Pooh?

Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2020 11:20 AM (7X3UV)

302 Bamdersnatch at October 18, 2020 11:19 AM (q2K0j)


Hey guys, we have a new commenter. Welcome Bamdersnatch!

Posted by: runner at October 18, 2020 11:21 AM (zr5Kq)

303 A fable has characters who are representing something other than the character itself. In the usual case, the animals are representing traits in people, with a lesson to be learned.
The Parables use people as characters to represent your relationship with God, again, with a lesson to be learned.
Folk tales don't have a lesson to be learned, but are meant to entertain (and often to scare)
Posted by: artemis at October 18, 2020


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Fable: Lesson about the scorpion or the snake; "You knew what I was before you took me in"

Folk tale: Legend of the werewolf or the witch on the mountain, or Rumpelstiltskin, or what can happen to a man who marries a water sprite.

??

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 18, 2020 11:21 AM (rpbg1)

304 "Niblings" should be a synonym for "appetizers".

Posted by: Cybernetic at October 18, 2020 11:21 AM (oSlTh)

305 Hey guys, we have a new commenter. Welcome Bamdersnatch!


Shit. New laptop. I may have been drunk last night.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 18, 2020 11:22 AM (q2K0j)

306 My first reaction is that folktales, pretty much by definition, are anonymous and traditional, but fables can have a specific author. Many folktales are fables, then. I agree that the definition you cite seems strained. I think it may be forced by "fable" being "fabulous". But does that describe all "dressed animal" stories? I don't think so either. Kipling, is a good counter example. So is Kenneth Graham. And what of Pooh?
Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2020 11:20 AM (7X3UV)
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Ah, I love the Horde. Yet another thing I hadn't considered! Authorship as a distinction, and this is also certainly worth considering further and I will. The origin as known or unknown, and a work with an author may definitionally not be a folk tale because it is created by a person with a clear lineage, instead of coming out of the cultural aether.

And Pooh, I think, is neither. Pooh is a long-form parable. It has a moral and it involves animals, but there is no single moral lesson that the stories try to impart - yet there is continuity between all of those stories.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 18, 2020 11:22 AM (hYcqw)

307 Emma Lazarus' Statute of Liberty poem is law! Immigration law to be exact.

Posted by: Ignoramus at October 18, 2020 11:23 AM (9TdxA)

308 Haven't read that one. But one alternative is the one Nagel (Mind and Cosmos) suggests, along with most Thomists (Feser's Aristotle's Revenge). That is to revive Aristotle's notion of teleology. Thus the universe is internally ordered to produce life, etc.

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This makes an interesting point. Modern molecular biology does pose a serious challenge to traditional Darwinism. That this is recognized by "establishment" experts is evidenced by their efforts to come up with amendments to Darwin's classic theory that address this disconnect between theory and recent observations that can't just be ignored anymore.

One of them is this idea that life is somehow self-ordering, in the way that a crystal or a computer fractal is self-ordering.

I find this an unconvincing argument since it doesn't answer the question, how were the physical laws established that made life self-ordering in the first place?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 18, 2020 11:23 AM (wPVhA)

309 The FBI are Democrat buffahs.

Posted by: Cicci at October 18, 2020 11:23 AM (l3+k2)

310 300 Judge Barrett's statement that the Declaration of Independence is not law is trending. She's completely wrong on this point, as I explain in my book
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I understand what she is saying completely. And I agree with it. It may serve as input into what constitutes "law" today, but in and of itself it is not law.
Posted by: runner at October 18, 2020 11:19 AM (zr5Kq)
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Yup. Much like the 'feelz' of today influences Judges, Governors, and LEOs ideas of what the 'Law' is.

Posted by: socalcon at October 18, 2020 11:23 AM (Roy2Z)

311 > 304 "Niblings" should be a synonym for "appetizers".

My mom used to call snacks "nibbles."

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 18, 2020 11:23 AM (3H9h1)

312 My own rule of thumb would be this:
A fable has characters who are representing something other than the character itself. In the usual case, the animals are representing traits in people, with a lesson to be learned.
The Parables use people as characters to represent your relationship with God, again, with a lesson to be learned.
Folk tales don't have a lesson to be learned, but are meant to entertain (and often to scare)
Posted by: artemis at October 18, 2020 11:17 AM (AwPyG)
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I had a similar consideration myself, artemis, that the distinction may be whether there is a clear, concise moral lesson at the end of the story as opposed to a wider or more generalized or ambiguous outcome (such as the religious parables often have). This brings me back to Someguy's point that one may be a subset of the other. The lines certainly seems to be blurry.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 18, 2020 11:19 AM (hYcqw)


I do think the outcome is fairly important too, in the sense that when the reader is done with it, he may be asking primarily "did this really happen," or he may be asking "what can I learn from this?"

Depending on the answers, it's possible for these questions to affect each other in ways that create their own dynamic.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 18, 2020 11:23 AM (hku12)

313 307 Emma Lazarus' Statute of Liberty poem is law! Immigration law to be exact.
Posted by: Ignoramus at October 18, 2020 11:23 AM (9TdxA)

That fucking poem needs a good sandblasting. Lazarus was a rich socialist type...a lot like the ones today.

Posted by: CN at October 18, 2020 11:24 AM (ONvIw)

314
Socialism: An Idea Whose Time Has Come -- And Gone


Socialism: You're soaking in it.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at October 18, 2020 11:24 AM (cvssK)

315 So...the FBI is out with videos and texts of the plans the KeystoneKops terrorists were planning on Widmer.

But, after having the Hunter laptop for a year there is ...{crickets} ?

Posted by: socalcon at October 18, 2020 11:25 AM (Roy2Z)

316 I do think the outcome is fairly important too, in the sense that when the reader is done with it, he may be asking primarily "did this really happen," or he may be asking "what can I learn from this?"

Depending on the answers, it's possible for these questions to affect each other in ways that create their own dynamic.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 18, 2020 11:23 AM (hku12)
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Huh. So a moving goalpost, depending on the opinion of the person reading it - or we could disagree on the distinction for any given story and both be right or wrong.

Interesting. You guys are giving me a lot to think about.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 18, 2020 11:25 AM (hYcqw)

317 Animal stories are very popular today especially adventure cartoons. It relieves the creators of the need to worry about race.

Posted by: CN at October 18, 2020 11:26 AM (ONvIw)

318 @310
what a strange line of attack on Barrett. It's almost as though the things they want to openly attack her with, they can't, since there's an election around the corner.
And Trump is whistling, as he walks away.

Posted by: artemis at October 18, 2020 11:26 AM (AwPyG)

319 288 Why is every graduate of an Ivy League school trash as a human being Okay I exaggerate.
And why are they still regarded as elite?
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at October 18, 2020 11:15 AM (lgiXo)

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They're elite because Ivy grads (plus Stanford) run the world.

But it's not every Ivy grad. I know a Penn and Cornell grad that are both normal middle management types.

Posted by: Asshoes at October 18, 2020 11:26 AM (22mNy)

320 There were a lot of priests who willingly suffered hardship and death for their faith, and its a shame no one is honoring their legacy.
...

There are lots of examples, and I imagine many of them are unknown but to God.

Such a far cry from the ones we have today, who are ascared of germs.
China may be the exception--I imagine there are some brave priests in China right now.
Posted by: artemis at October 18, 2020 10:50 AM (AwPyG)


Christianity always seems to become more powerful in the face of adversity. Christianity has become complacent amid the prosperity created by Western Civilization. I believe anti-Christianity that will create more martyrs is coming. That's why I'm reading apologetics -- so I can defend my faith.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at October 18, 2020 11:26 AM (pJWtt)

321 291 288 Why is every graduate of an Ivy League school trash as a human being Okay I exaggerate.
And why are they still regarded as elite?
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at October 18, 2020 11:15 AM (lgiXo)


I went to the ceremonies at UT Southwestern in the early 70's for my sis's graduating '

one of the heads of the med school address the group and congratulated them on becoming "Gods"

maybe that's got something to do with it

Posted by: REDACTED at October 18, 2020 11:26 AM (R3uW8)

322 So...the FBI is out with videos and texts of the plans the KeystoneKops terrorists were planning on Widmer.

But, after having the Hunter laptop for a year there is ...{crickets} ?
Posted by: socalcon at October 18, 2020 11:25 AM (Roy2Z)

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The FBI has a lotta buffahs.

Posted by: Willie Cicci at October 18, 2020 11:26 AM (wPVhA)

323 Half the charm of the library photo is the lighting. It's amazing, what a difference the right lighting can make

Posted by: artemis at October 18, 2020 11:27 AM (AwPyG)

324 Re 310 & 315

Not entirely OT on a book thread.

Ought to throw the 'book' at all of them!

Posted by: socalcon at October 18, 2020 11:27 AM (Roy2Z)

325 @JackPosobiec 25min

On my way to pick up the emails

We release tonight. @OANN

Posted by: Gaelic Girl at October 18, 2020 11:27 AM (5FCda)

326 Hm. for guys using my same standard:

Beautiful is Monty Clift and John Hamm
Attractive is Mel Gibson and Cary Grant
Sexy is Clint Eastwood and Robert Downey Jr.

Posted by: vivi at October 18, 2020 11:27 AM (11H2y)

327 Good morning!

Let's smile & be happy & strike fear in the hearts of killjoy leftists everywhere.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 18, 2020 11:27 AM (u82oZ)

328 The Whitmer kidnapping thing seems a lot like the Juicy Smollet thing to me.

Posted by: davidt at October 18, 2020 11:29 AM (l3+k2)

329 306
And Pooh, I think, is neither. Pooh is a long-form parable. It has a moral and it involves animals, but there is no single moral lesson that the stories try to impart - yet there is continuity between all of those stories.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 18, 2020 11:22 AM (hYcqw)
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Not so. Hidden beneath the surface is a tale of oppression and colonialism. It shows the invasion of the Hunney cult, who conquered the original nomads, worshippers of a horse god.

Their plight, despite later redactions, comes through. They are forcibly from their homes and resettled into hovels provided by the Hunneyites. They are mutilated, and their body parts are used for home decorations. They are offered Hunneyism as a substitute for their indigenous religion, but find it an empty vessel, in which they still retain the burst remains of their true beliefs.

It's all there, if you know how to read it. And I know, I'm Eeyore.

Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2020 11:29 AM (7X3UV)

330 Most people that argue about Darwin have not read Darwin and been brainwashed into false ideas about Darwin, that he was atheist who denied Devine beginnings, or that somehow Origins is anti G*d. Not true, he only documented the result, evolution of things, and postulated on how life evolved from the simplest to most complex. It did clash with world being a 6000 years old dogma, and that made him hated by the Christian church at the time.

Posted by: runner at October 18, 2020 11:30 AM (zr5Kq)

331 @317
Kind of. Bubble Guppies (where everyone is a guppy) has identifiable diverse races, and so does Paw Patrol (where everyone is a dog)
It's well done, though, and not made a big deal.

Posted by: artemis at October 18, 2020 11:30 AM (AwPyG)

332 328 The Whitmer kidnapping thing seems a lot like the Juicy Smollet thing to me.
Posted by: davidt at October 18, 2020 11:29 AM (l3+k2)

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If its something that they can use to get the phrase White Supremacists in the news, it doesn't matter. The FBI and the media will flog it for all it's worth.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 18, 2020 11:31 AM (wPVhA)

333 If its something that they can use to get the phrase White Supremacists in the news, it doesn't matter. The FBI and the media will flog it for all it's worth.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 18, 2020 11:31 AM (wPVhA)

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And it all started with Piss Wallace at the debate talking about "militias". It is all co-ordinated.

Posted by: Asshoes at October 18, 2020 11:32 AM (22mNy)

334 This year, I was handed an honors class and my principal said, "It'll be the same as the regular; just go through the material faster." He has no clue that if I am TEACHING, as opposed to presenting material, the honors class will be very different. Some of my students - including boys! Hallelujah! - are already writing short stories for fun. I want to encourage them, not stifle their love of words.
Posted by: NaughtyPine - now with extra naughtiness at October 18, 2020 11:02 AM (/+bwe)


Dad was an avid reader with a huge library. However, he was too busy to really guide me on my voyage of discovery as a new reader. I was lucky in my 5th, 6th, 7th grade English teachers. I still remember writing some short stories for class -- I hadn't thought about that for decades!

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at October 18, 2020 11:32 AM (pJWtt)

335 Not so. Hidden beneath the surface is a tale of oppression and colonialism. It shows the invasion of the Hunney cult, who conquered the original nomads, worshippers of a horse god.

Their plight, despite later redactions, comes through. They are forcibly from their homes and resettled into hovels provided by the Hunneyites. They are mutilated, and their body parts are used for home decorations. They are offered Hunneyism as a substitute for their indigenous religion, but find it an empty vessel, in which they still retain the burst remains of their true beliefs.

It's all there, if you know how to read it. And I know, I'm Eeyore.
Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2020 11:29 AM (7X3UV)
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What a take. Maybe I ought to reread it. But sadly, every time I see Pooh I now think of Xi Jinping...

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 18, 2020 11:32 AM (hYcqw)

336 The Whitmer kidnapping thing seems a lot like the Juicy Smollet thing to me.


Posted by: davidt at October 18, 2020 11:29 AM (l3+k2)


It reeks of a political set up job by the FBI to be released right before the election. Right wing, white supremacist, Trump supporters!!!!! The FBI is nothing but a part of the Democrat party.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 18, 2020 11:32 AM (96SSR)

337 @310
what a strange line of attack on Barrett. It's almost as though the things they want to openly attack her with, they can't, since there's an election around the corner.
And Trump is whistling, as he walks away.
Posted by: artemis at October 18, 2020 11:26 AM (AwPyG)

I only wish I had time to watch the entire hearings, I get snippets on yootuoobe. She was schooling them pretty good !

Posted by: runner at October 18, 2020 11:32 AM (zr5Kq)

338 Kind of. Bubble Guppies (where everyone is a guppy) has identifiable diverse races, and so does Paw Patrol (where everyone is a dog)
It's well done, though, and not made a big deal.
Posted by: artemis at October 18, 2020 11:30 AM (AwPyG)

Paw patrol has many human characters, none of the pups seems to have "races", I think the only one voiced by a black kid is Marshall, btw.

I was thinking Octonauts, actually. No people.

Posted by: CN at October 18, 2020 11:33 AM (ONvIw)

339 , that he was atheist who denied Devine beginnings,


I don't believe that Andy Devine created the universe!


That's right. I'm an Anti-Andyist! And proud of it!!!

Posted by: naturalfake at October 18, 2020 11:33 AM (dWwl8)

340 That's right. I'm an Anti-Andyist! And proud of it!!!
Posted by: naturalfake at October 18, 2020 11:33 AM (dWwl

you do you !

Posted by: runner at October 18, 2020 11:33 AM (zr5Kq)

341 @328
I think everyone smelled a hoax the minute the story came out. It doesn't help that they've cried wolf so many times that no one believes anything they say, anymore.
I'd love to know Trump's strategy with Wray, who he is ruthlessly discrediting, cut by cut. Why wasn't he fired ages ago? Maybe JackStraw would know.

Posted by: artemis at October 18, 2020 11:34 AM (AwPyG)

342 The media seems to as interested in Hunter's laptop as they were

uh, I don't know, Roy Moore, maybe

Posted by: REDACTED at October 18, 2020 11:34 AM (R3uW8)

343
It reeks of a political set up job by the FBI to be released right before the election. Right wing, white supremacist, Trump supporters!!!!! The FBI is nothing but a part of the Democrat party.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 18, 2020 11:32 AM (96SSR)

It is the oppo research arm, what was the Mewler shitshow but a carte blanche into Trumps affairs and a dirt dig?

Posted by: CN at October 18, 2020 11:34 AM (ONvIw)

344 @seanonolennon on Twitter:

My father said there are no problems, only solutions. I think the truth may be there are no solutions, only compromises. Every cure has side effects.

If you're on Twitter, you should follow this @seanonolennon. Yeah, he's the offspring of John and Yoko, but ignore that, he's surprisingly insightful.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at October 18, 2020 11:35 AM (3Z6en)

345 I understand what she is saying completely. And I agree with it. It may serve as input into what constitutes "law" today, but in and of itself it is not law.
Posted by: runner at October 18, 2020 11:19 AM (zr5Kq)


"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands ... of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."

Do they really want to go there?

Posted by: golfman at October 18, 2020 11:35 AM (hOMhY)

346 Most people that argue about Darwin have not read
Darwin and been brainwashed into false ideas about Darwin...

Posted by: runner at October 18, 2020 11:30 AM (zr5Kq)

So true! Even the title of his book is misrepresented. "The Origin Of Species." Not "The Species."

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 18, 2020 11:36 AM (xT2tT)

347 It is the oppo research arm, what was the Mewler shitshow but a carte blanche into Trumps affairs and a dirt dig?
Posted by: CN at October 18, 2020 11:34 AM (ONvIw

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Don't ask Mueller. He probably doesn't have a clue.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 18, 2020 11:36 AM (wPVhA)

348 Paw Patrol introduced Tracker, too, who is Hispanic. And a chihuahua, natch.

Posted by: artemis at October 18, 2020 11:36 AM (AwPyG)

349
If you're on Twitter, you should follow this @seanonolennon. Yeah, he's the offspring of John and Yoko, but ignore that, he's surprisingly insightful.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at October 18, 2020 11:35 AM (3Z6en)

I have been pleasantly surprised by him. Then, "Imagine" was just a song, certainly not representative of Lennon and Yoko's lifestyle.

Posted by: CN at October 18, 2020 11:37 AM (ONvIw)

350 Do they really want to go there?

Posted by: golfman at October 18, 2020 11:35 AM (hOMhY)


Right ??

Posted by: runner at October 18, 2020 11:37 AM (zr5Kq)

351 "He has erected a multitude of new Offices, and sent hither Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance".


Now that's a cassus belli.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 18, 2020 11:37 AM (q2K0j)

352 I think the spate of "white supremicist" arrests is FBI and MSM bullshit to gin up outrage about Whitey leading up to the election...and at the same time downplay the ongoing BLM riots, violence, and bullying.

Kyle is still in custody No bail reform for Whitey.

Posted by: vivi at October 18, 2020 11:37 AM (11H2y)

353 Ava and Gene would like a word with you
Posted by: REDACTED at October 18, 2020 10:58 AM (R3uW


Elizabeth is not happy, either.

Posted by: creeper at October 18, 2020 11:37 AM (XxJt1)

354


The Feds arrested 21 "white supremacists" in Utah on gun and drug charges. They had 15 guns and 1.65 pounds of meth. Sounds like quite the crime cartel. That would be a minor arrest on the south side of Chicago.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 18, 2020 11:37 AM (96SSR)

355 But Mueller is a straight shooter. We were told that by Noted Conservatives.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 18, 2020 11:37 AM (wPVhA)

356 Piss Wallace at the debate talking about "militias".†

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From the Bee:

Politics

Undefeated: Trump Now 2-0 Against Moderators

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 18, 2020 11:38 AM (+y/Ru)

357 348 Paw Patrol introduced Tracker, too, who is Hispanic. And a chihuahua, natch.
Posted by: artemis at October 18, 2020 11:36 AM (AwPyG)

Dogs do not have "race". Tracker has an accent. The kid he lives with is Latino.

Posted by: CN at October 18, 2020 11:38 AM (ONvIw)

358 I do think the outcome is fairly important too, in the sense that when the reader is done with it, he may be asking primarily "did this really happen," or he may be asking "what can I learn from this?"

Depending on the answers, it's possible for these questions to affect each other in ways that create their own dynamic.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 18, 2020 11:23 AM (hku12)
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Huh. So a moving goalpost, depending on the opinion of the person reading it - or we could disagree on the distinction for any given story and both be right or wrong.

Interesting. You guys are giving me a lot to think about.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 18, 2020 11:25 AM (hYcqw)


Yes, as in the aforementioned "Man Who Shot Liberty Valance," if we are the readers/audience (which we are), we know this is a mostly fictional account of real events in American history (the path to statehood in the west), but we know there was no Liberty Valance and there was no Tom Donafon (sp?) or Ransom Stoddard.

So what can we learn from it?

But inside the story, the BIG questions is, who killed Liberty Valance (I won't spoil it for those who haven't seen it)?

The answer is less important to us, because it's just a story, it's fiction, but INSIDE the story, it makes all the difference in the world, to the participants... well, not to Liberty, he dead regardless.

But it's not unimportant to us, as we're watching the film, and being both entertained and informed by the message. Which is, in the end, a pretty darned important lesson about how we pass on our stories, and what they mean.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 18, 2020 11:38 AM (hku12)

359 OM

RE: Fosse & Grey

Fosse wanted to cast Ruth Gordon as Emcee-- he loved the "Oh, Wow!" aspect of casting a woman as an androgynous man. Fosse wanted Cabaret to be a 'Bob Fosse original!'-- not an adaptation. This is a bizarre concept, because the film was ALWAYS going to be built around the original music anyway.

In his director's cut, which was shown to preview audiences in California, Fosse essentially tried to cut Grey out of the film once again-- by reducing his appearances to snippets only. However...once again, the film's producers made Fosse a second offer he couldn't refuse.

Posted by: mnw at October 18, 2020 11:39 AM (Cssks)

360 330 Most people that argue about Darwin have not read Darwin and been brainwashed into false ideas about Darwin, that he was atheist who denied Devine beginnings, or that somehow Origins is anti G*d. Not true, he only documented the result, evolution of things, and postulated on how life evolved from the simplest to most complex. It did clash with world being a 6000 years old dogma, and that made him hated by the Christian church at the time.
Posted by: runner at October 18, 2020 11:30 AM (zr5Kq)
_________

The trouble is that, for any idea associated with an original thinker, it has life beyond what the thinker himself said. Pick anyone of such influence; you can see it.

I even have seen Marxists who are appalled by the new "critical race theory" types. And by their lights, they are right. It replaces economics as the motor of history, and class as its exemplar, with what Marx himself would have regarded as "superstructure" or "ideology."

Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2020 11:39 AM (7X3UV)

361 @347
It seems apparent that the Mueller investigation had two purposes; to hogtie Trump, and to provide cover for the people involved in the coup so they could cover their tracks. It's the same cast of characters.
Fortunately, despite their clean-up, the NSA had a copy of everything, because apparently it copies everything, everywhere. Which in this case, turned out for the best? It's a good case to study,--when does the fruit of the poisonous tree get to save the world?

Posted by: artemis at October 18, 2020 11:40 AM (AwPyG)

362 Christianity always seems to become more powerful in the face of adversity. Christianity has become complacent amid the prosperity created by Western Civilization. I believe anti-Christianity that will create more martyrs is coming. That's why I'm reading apologetics -- so I can defend my faith.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at
October 18, 2020 11:26 AM (pJWtt)


"The blood of the martyrs is the seed of the church."

--Tertullian

(or was that Irenaeus?)

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at October 18, 2020 11:41 AM (3Z6en)

363
This Bannon interview on Skye News Australia is great!

Posted by: MHK at October 18, 2020 11:42 AM (iQIUe)

364 Been reading comfort books, like Mr. Kipling's Army: All the Queen's Men by Byron Farwell. A sociological examination of the UK Victorian Army.

I pulled some books off my military history bookshelf -which needs to get much bigger.

These are Scholastic Book Service books from my primary school days. It is an interesting comparison. The excerpts from books back then, with the wider context of a life of reading and living. The SBS books were teasers, only covering the tip of a battle or conflict, but good executive summaries.

Battles and Bloodshed by Albert Orbaan holds up very well from 1968. My SBS copy is tattered from rereading and many, many moves.

I imaging all my paperback Ballentine war story books will be similar -- gateways into more context, but good stories and summaries.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 18, 2020 11:42 AM (u82oZ)

365 353 Ava and Gene would like a word with you
Posted by: REDACTED at October 18, 2020 10:58 AM (R3uW

Elizabeth is not happy, either.
Posted by: creeper at October 18, 2020 11:37 AM (XxJt1)
________

Give me a time machine, and I'd be happy to "discuss" it with any of them. And Sophia, too.

And I should mention the first actress who overwhelmed me, the recently deceased Diana Rigg.

Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2020 11:42 AM (7X3UV)

366 The Feds arrested 21 "white supremacists" in Utah on gun and drug charges. They had 15 guns and 1.65 pounds of meth. Sounds like quite the crime cartel. That would be a minor arrest on the south side of Chicago.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 18, 2020 11:37 AM (96SSR)

like a traffic citation

Posted by: BignJames at October 18, 2020 11:43 AM (AwYPR)

367 Ava and Gene would like a word with you
Posted by: REDACTED at October 18, 2020 10:58 AM (R3uW

Elizabeth is not happy, either.
Posted by: creeper at October 18, 2020


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Taylor, I would guess, considering the time period of these actresses? Or Montgomery?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 18, 2020 11:44 AM (rpbg1)

368 The Whitmer kidnapping thing seems a lot like the Juicy Smollet thing to me.


Posted by: davidt at October 18, 2020 11:29 AM (l3+k2)


It reeks of a political set up job by the FBI to be released right before the election. Right wing, white supremacist, Trump supporters!!!!! The FBI is nothing but a part of the Democrat party.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 18, 2020 11:32 AM (96SSR)


The "Trump supporters" part appears to be mostly untrue, but I don't think the Eff Bee Eye created these guys. They appear to have been genuine idiots planning the stupidest political hit since I don't know when.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 18, 2020 11:44 AM (hku12)

369 Forget Sean Lennon, I wish Muldoon was on twitter, I'd follow him in a second!

Posted by: artemis at October 18, 2020 11:44 AM (AwPyG)

370 I even have seen Marxists who are appalled by the new "critical race theory" types. And by their lights, they are right. It replaces economics as the motor of history, and class as its exemplar, with what Marx himself would have regarded as "superstructure" or "ideology."

Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2020 11:39 AM (7X3UV)


I've been wondering if there ever will be a fight between the old-school commie class warriors vs. the new-school social justice/identity politics intersectionists.

It might be fun to watch.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at October 18, 2020 11:44 AM (3Z6en)

371 It's a good case to study,--when does the fruit of the poisonous tree get to save the world?
Posted by: artemis at October 18, 2020 11:40 AM (AwPyG)

DC wants the Obama grift train back on the tracks. There are no "white hats" at DOJ or FBI. And there is no 5D chess happening. Q is bullshit at best, a donk op at worst.

Posted by: CN at October 18, 2020 11:44 AM (ONvIw)

372 Not so. Hidden beneath the surface is a tale of oppression and colonialism. It shows the invasion of the Hunney cult, who conquered the original nomads, worshippers of a horse god.
...
It's all there, if you know how to read it. And I know, I'm Eeyore.
Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2020 11:29 AM (7X3UV)


Sounds like something out of either The Pook Perplex or Postmodern Pooh, both by Frederick Crews. Got them both on the shelves but haven't read them yet.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at October 18, 2020 11:44 AM (pJWtt)

373 And I should mention the first actress who overwhelmed me, the recently deceased Diana Rigg.

Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2020 11:42 AM (7X3UV)


Rigg never moved my meter, not even in her Avengers/vinyl catsuit days.

Now, Raquel Welch, on the other hand...

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at October 18, 2020 11:46 AM (3Z6en)

374 Just had to quit reading Allen steele 's Jericho Iteration.
I can't stand the bs leftie narrative that we're the tyrants.

Posted by: DaveA at October 18, 2020 11:46 AM (FhXTo)

375 Taylor, I would guess, considering the time period of these actresses? Or Montgomery?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 18, 2020 11:44 AM (rpbg1)

I think she means the fat ass fag hag

Posted by: REDACTED at October 18, 2020 11:46 AM (R3uW8)

376 The trouble is that, for any idea associated with an original thinker, it has life beyond what the thinker himself said. Pick anyone of such influence; you can see it...


Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2020 11:39 AM (7X3UV)


Oh, I agree. Going back to Barrett , she is an Originalist. And with Common Law system that we have, it is kinda important. Because can get off track pretty easily.

Posted by: runner at October 18, 2020 11:46 AM (zr5Kq)

377 Well, I guess it's time to go. The Mrs is making "things to do" noises.

It's been real.

Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2020 11:47 AM (7X3UV)

378 The Feds arrested 21 "white supremacists" in Utah on gun and drug charges. They had 15 guns and 1.65 pounds of meth. Sounds like quite the crime cartel. That would be a minor arrest on the south side of Chicago.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 18, 2020 11:37 AM (96SSR)

like a traffic citation
Posted by: BignJames at October 18, 2020 11:43 AM (AwYPR)


More fiction as narrative. What makes a drug dealer a "white supremacist?" Other than skin color, how are these not just garden variety drug and gun runners?

Posted by: BurtTC at October 18, 2020 11:47 AM (hku12)

379 >>> 374 Just had to quit reading Allen steele 's Jericho Iteration.
I can't stand the bs leftie narrative that we're the tyrants.
Posted by: DaveA at October 18, 2020 11:46 AM (FhXTo)

"Why won't you give us all your shit for free, h8terz?!"

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 18, 2020 11:47 AM (/kh7m)

380 So, I saw a hardback copy of -

"Alfred Hitchcock Presents: Stories Not for the Nervous"

at Half-Price and picked it up for Halloween/Fall reading.

I used to buy these AH anthology books when a wee tad and always enjoyed them.

This one was published in 1965. And as in the movie we discussed from last week's movie thread, "No Way to Treat a Lady" (196, the tone of these "thrillers" is very different from what you'd read today.

I'm halfway through the book and so far the stories all have what you'd call a light tone. They're often told in a humorous or breezy manner and, even when involving murder, deal with quirky methods or people and have a twist of sorts at the end.

A lot like AH's TV shows.

Most of the stories are both good and fun reads. And , so far, I've only come across one real dog of a story.

Often you can see the "twist" or ending coming a mile away but the pleasure of such stories is in the telling. All of the writers are good storytellers.

Call it a book of "Cozy Thrillers".

If that sounds like something you'd like, you probably will. And there's a million of these AH anthology books.

Check it out.

Posted by: naturalfake at October 18, 2020 11:47 AM (dWwl8)

381 Sophia Loren is still beautiful, but she's one of those celebrities who's had so much cosmetic surgery done she doesn't look like the same person. Rachel Welch, too.

Posted by: artemis at October 18, 2020 11:47 AM (AwPyG)

382 †A fable has characters who are representing something other than the character itself. In the usual case, the animals are representing traits in people, with a lesson to be learned.
The Parables use people as characters to represent your relationship with God, again, with a lesson to be learned.
Folk tales don't have a lesson to be learned, but are meant to entertain (and often to scare)
Posted by: artemis

News stories are made up or exaggerated stories with a lesson to learn about your relationship with government.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 18, 2020 11:47 AM (+y/Ru)

383 Taylor, Wolfie. My jaw still drops when I see a picture of her.

Posted by: creeper at October 18, 2020 11:48 AM (XxJt1)

384 You have to admit that in her younger years, eliz taylor was breathtakingly beautiful. There's good reason for the string of famous husbands.

Posted by: artemis at October 18, 2020 11:49 AM (AwPyG)

385 DC wants the Obama grift train back on the tracks. There are no "white
hats" at DOJ or FBI. And there is no 5D chess happening. Q is bullshit
at best, a donk op at worst.


Obama already did it. The final nail in the coffin of America as it was founded happened November 2012.

We pretend that Obama was lazy and achieved nothing. Soros and China achieved nearly everything that they wanted through him. Look around. Does this look like Freedom and Liberty to you?


Socialism is dead? No. It's alive and thriving right here.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at October 18, 2020 11:49 AM (cvssK)

386 News stories are made up or exaggerated stories with a lesson to learn about your relationship with government.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 18, 2020 11:47 AM (+y/Ru)
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* snort *

And knowing what we do about Hollywood and the rest of the entertainment industry, I reckon that "oral tradition" applies here, too...

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 18, 2020 11:49 AM (hYcqw)

387 @382
Hah! So true!

Posted by: artemis at October 18, 2020 11:50 AM (AwPyG)

388 @372 Well poo ... that title should read The Pooh Perplex, not "...Pook..."

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at October 18, 2020 11:50 AM (pJWtt)

389 And again, often meant to scare.

Posted by: artemis at October 18, 2020 11:50 AM (AwPyG)

390 Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2020 11:39 AM (7X3UV)

I've been wondering if there ever will be a fight between the old-school commie class warriors vs. the new-school social justice/identity politics intersectionists.

It might be fun to watch.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at October 18, 2020 11:44 AM (3Z6en)


Clashes will happen, where and when money and turf are on the line.

So look to the universities. That's where it is most likely to happen. Seems to me, as an outsider, they're mostly sharing space right now, and the modern intersectionals are being allowed to muscle in, because they haven't disrupted the established old school marxists.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 18, 2020 11:50 AM (hku12)

391 The Whitmer kidnapping thing seems a lot like the Juicy Smollet thing to me.





Posted by: davidt at October 18, 2020 11:29 AM (l3+k2)





It reeks of a political set up job by the FBI to be released right
before the election. Right wing, white supremacist, Trump
supporters!!!!! The FBI is nothing but a part of the Democrat party.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 18, 2020 11:32 AM (96SSR)





The "Trump supporters" part appears to be mostly untrue, but I don't
think the Eff Bee Eye created these guys. They appear to have been
genuine idiots planning the stupidest political hit since I don't know
when.


Posted by: BurtTC at October 18, 2020 11:44 AM

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The Feds had better hope these guys plea bargain this out because there is not a Jury anywhere in Michigan that will convict them once the defense attorney points out the ring leader was an fbi plant.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 18, 2020 11:50 AM (JUOKG)

392 Folk tale: Legend of the werewolf or the witch on
the mountain, or Rumpelstiltskin, or what can happen to a man who
marries a water sprite.


??
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 18, 2020 11:21 AM (rpbg1)


Fables have a specific point and lesson to teach, don't be greedy, think sideways, keep going, don't denigrate something because you can't do it, save for the future.

Folk tales are more diffuse: the world is going to try to kill you, even if you do things right the wolf will eat you, you will be cheated, killed or destroyed.
This may not be the end, so keep going.

Posted by: Kindltot at October 18, 2020 11:52 AM (WyVLE)

393 Socialism is dead? No. It's alive and thriving right here.
Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at October 18, 2020 11:49 AM (cvssK)

You are right, but with a new donk admin it gets to move toward Black supremacy "we take your shit and you'll grovel".

Posted by: CN at October 18, 2020 11:52 AM (ONvIw)

394 "White supremacist" is just another way to say "bad" as in I've got a white supremacist of a headache.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 18, 2020 11:52 AM (+y/Ru)

395 Sophia Loren is still beautiful, but she's one of those celebrities who's had so much cosmetic surgery done she doesn't look like the same person.


I dispute this. Hang on while I look for evidence.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 18, 2020 11:52 AM (q2K0j)

396 Pooh is Stalin, Piglet is Mao. The hunny is the worldwide proletariat.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 18, 2020 11:52 AM (oVJmc)

397 DC wants the Obama grift train back on the tracks. There are no "white hats" at DOJ or FBI. And there is no 5D chess happening. Q is bullshit at best, a donk op at worst.
Posted by: CN at October 18, 2020 11:44 AM (ONvIw

I have never gotten much into "Q", I see them as amusing, and little more. There have been hundreds of little cults like this on the internet, it's what the internet is for. So what?

BUT... it astounds me that SO MANY important people, and all of the MSM, are "OUTRAGED!" by this one. Really? Why is this worse than the Area 51 group, or the UFOlogists? Oh, because the Q group says that a whole lot of the Ruling Class are actually Pedophiles, and they use their positions to officially cover up their activity.

and so people like Mitt Romney are so outraged that anyone could say such a thing that he demands the Donald Trump must officially "Denounce!" these words. Why are these words so threatening to him?

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 18, 2020 11:53 AM (V2Yro)

398 Fables have a specific point and lesson to teach, don't be greedy, think sideways, keep going, don't denigrate something because you can't do it, save for the future.

Folk tales are more diffuse: the world is going to try to kill you, even if you do things right the wolf will eat you, you will be cheated, killed or destroyed.
This may not be the end, so keep going.
Posted by: Kindltot at October 18, 2020 11:52 AM (WyVLE)
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Another potential distinction for sure, and akin to what artemis mentioned upthread - in essence, a distinction between the general and the specific or, as you put it here (if I am understanding the point properly), a discrete practical moral lesson vs. an existential lesson.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 18, 2020 11:53 AM (hYcqw)

399 @385
If Q is just a fun little LARP, it sure has become a kill-target for the left--that's a head-scratcher, isnt it?
Look very closely anytime the number "17" pops up in a news story. Trump does this too, believe it or not. (Q is the 17th letter of the alphabet)

My favorite is when the house voted last week to condemn "Q", and 17 Republicans voted "no."
Heh.

Posted by: artemis at October 18, 2020 11:53 AM (AwPyG)

400 I've been wondering if there ever will be a fight between the old-school commie class warriors vs. the new-school social justice/identity politics intersectionists.

It might be fun to watch.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at October 18, 2020 11:44 AM (3Z6en)

That fight won't take place until we've been removed...unfortunately.

Posted by: browndog at October 18, 2020 11:54 AM (BgMrQ)

401 You have to admit that in her younger years, eliz taylor was breathtakingly beautiful. There's good reason for the string of famous husbands.
Posted by: artemis at October 18, 2020 11:49 AM (AwPyG)


Maybe the reason she had a bunch of husbands was, unlike MANY starlets, she wouldn't put out without a ring on her finger.

I think there are gals in Hollowwood who become the Latest Thing, and the guys trying to mount her are not just going by her looks, but by the fact that she's the Latest Thing.

Except these days I think there's a LOT more of that going on with the gays. The pedos still have to do it on the downlow, so the age of Bigshots and Stars chasing after the "of age" starlet may be over.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 18, 2020 11:54 AM (hku12)

402 Call it a book of "Cozy Thrillers".

If that sounds like something you'd like, you probably will. And there's a million of these AH anthology books.

Check it out.
Posted by: naturalfake at October 18, 2020


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I grew up on the paperback editions of the earlier ones, which began in 1947 or so and ran until about 1964. After that point, I think, his editors began mostly shoveling stories from the AH mystery magazine into paperback covers. But the earlier ones feature a lot of the old classic ghost or suspense stories, like Ambrose Bierce's "The Damned Thing" and Frank Stockton's "The Lady or the Tiger."

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 18, 2020 11:55 AM (rpbg1)

403
and so people like Mitt Romney are so outraged that anyone could say such a thing that he demands the Donald Trump must officially "Denounce!" these words. Why are these words so threatening to him?
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 18, 2020 11:53 AM (V2Yro)

Mitt is protecting his money and outsourcing. I cannot even fathom how deeply he's involved in dismantling or economy for personal gain.

Posted by: CN at October 18, 2020 11:55 AM (ONvIw)

404 RBC, if you like Pooh as he is don't read "The Pooh Perplex". It's a bunch of psychological mumbo-jumbo that will spoil A.A. Milne's books forever.

Not everything in this world require a psychiatrist.

Posted by: creeper at October 18, 2020 11:55 AM (XxJt1)

405 https://bit.ly/3jbw8gy


Current Sophia. I believe her to be unenhanced, un surgically molested.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 18, 2020 11:56 AM (q2K0j)

406 Louis mayer said the camera loved Greer more than anyone

Posted by: REDACTED at October 18, 2020 11:56 AM (R3uW8)

407 and so people like Mitt Romney are so outraged that anyone could say
such a thing that he demands the Donald Trump must officially
"Denounce!" these words. Why are these words so threatening to him?


Good question.
Only SJW Marxists are allowed to approve or disapprove cults. As long as these people exist in positions of power, America can never function as intended.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at October 18, 2020 11:56 AM (cvssK)

408 372 Not so. Hidden beneath the surface is a tale of oppression and colonialism. It shows the invasion of the Hunney cult, who conquered the original nomads, worshippers of a horse god.
...
It's all there, if you know how to read it. And I know, I'm Eeyore.
Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2020 11:29 AM (7X3UV)

I have to say, that was good. Really, really good!

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 18, 2020 11:57 AM (V2Yro)

409 Dance away the Plague:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_7gdeIOaL0

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Counter-Revolutionary She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at October 18, 2020 09:17 AM (Dc2NZ)


Wow! Years ago KUSC a classical music station in LA used to play a variation of this regularly and I loved it. I never took the time to note the name, now I know. Thanks for the link.

Posted by: DR.WTF at October 18, 2020 11:57 AM (AiZBA)

410 If Q is just a fun little LARP, it sure has become a kill-target for the left--that's a head-scratcher, isnt it?
Look very closely anytime the number "17" pops up in a news story. Trump does this too, believe it or not. (Q is the 17th letter of the alphabet)

My favorite is when the house voted last week to condemn "Q", and 17 Republicans voted "no."
Heh.
Posted by: artemis at October 18, 2020 11:53 AM (AwPyG)

I still think Q is a dem op. Why say "trust jeff Sessions" when he is not trustworthy. Q, in its early stages was designed to cool off "lock her up" support. It was all ok, "trust the plan", don't get angry, don't push for indictments. All is well...we'll run the clock while you're lulled into a false sense of security.

Posted by: CN at October 18, 2020 11:58 AM (ONvIw)

411 Pooh is Stalin, Piglet is Mao. The hunny is the worldwide proletariat.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 18, 2020 11:52 AM (oVJmc)


I'm assuming there's a whole thing about this somewhere. Owl is the academy, Kanga and Roo are the minorities. Rabbit is the media, Gopher (don't remember his name) is labor.

Presumably Christopher Robin is England.

Tigger would likely be the U.S. Bouncing around causing destruction, mostly meaning well, but generally disrupting the joint wherever he goes.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 18, 2020 11:59 AM (hku12)

412 @405
She is a natural beauty, I meant no disrespect

Posted by: artemis at October 18, 2020 11:59 AM (AwPyG)

413 How come all these beautiful library pictures don't show the drunks and drug derelicts like you see every day in libraries like Seattle's and Portland's?

Posted by: Diogenes at October 18, 2020 12:00 PM (axyOa)

414 We pretend that Obama was lazy and achieved nothing. Soros and China achieved nearly everything that they wanted through him. Look around. Does this look like Freedom and Liberty to you?


Socialism is dead? No. It's alive and thriving right here.
Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at October 18, 2020 11:49 AM (cvssK)


I would argue that it is closer to Transnational Fascism, but that is semantics. The globalists are slavering to loot the American people and destroy its concepts of limited government and individual freedom.

A big chunk of the electorate is satisfied with empty promises: why they can't see through the lies is beyond my understanding. The Democrats are literally vowing to create a unitary government by means of an appointed "Super Legislature", and institutionalized racial discrimination against the "oppressor" race (that just happens to be melanin-deficient).

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at October 18, 2020 12:01 PM (pJWtt)

415 Sophia Loren is still beautiful, but she's one of those celebrities who's had so much cosmetic surgery done she doesn't look like the same person.


I dispute this. Hang on while I look for evidence.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 18, 2020 11:52 AM (q2K0j)


I'll be anxious what you find because if she's had any type of work done it's been far better than what others have. Her beauty has always been unique to her while still being classic, as,oxymoronic as that might sound.

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 18, 2020 12:02 PM (y7DUB)

416 382- Close but I would change to:

"News stories are made up or exaggerated stories with a narrative to propagandize about government's and elitists' pre-eminence over your life, rights and property."

Posted by: vivi at October 18, 2020 12:02 PM (11H2y)

417 @410
If that's the case, its backfired spectacularly.
The news from overseas is getting throttled, but there are protests and uprisings all over the British commonwealth and in Europe against the lockdowns--there are "Q" signs everywhere.
so I don't know--Q told us to trust Sessions, and to trust Wray (until the day it showed Wray's photo with a big "X" through it.)
Hopefully, we'll get to see what was going on, some day.

Posted by: artemis at October 18, 2020 12:03 PM (AwPyG)

418 My favorite is when the house voted last week to condemn "Q", and 17 Republicans voted "no."
Heh.
Posted by: artemis at October 18, 2020 11:53 AM (AwPyG)

LOL, I did not notice that.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 18, 2020 12:03 PM (V2Yro)

419 And I should mention the first actress who overwhelmed me, the recently deceased Diana Rigg.

Just happened to catch her last night in the 1969 Royal Shakespeare Company production of A Midsummer's Night Dream - my 12-year old is in a homeschool Shakespeare group, reading some plays and watching others.

Faithful to the play but still has that awful 60's sensibility. Gaah.

Posted by: motionview (prep train organize) at October 18, 2020 12:04 PM (pYQR/)

420 @414
Obama's main achievement, it seems to me, is that he set the stage for a Trump.
No way Trump would have been elected, 10 years earlier.
so, there's that

Posted by: artemis at October 18, 2020 12:04 PM (AwPyG)

421 The only people who really need a psychiatrist is another psychiatrist.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 18, 2020 12:05 PM (YXj1p)

422 It reeks of a political set up job by the FBI to be released right
before the election. Right wing, white supremacist, Trump
supporters!!!!! The FBI is nothing but a part of the Democrat party.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 18, 2020 11:32 AM (96SSR)


The Russian Okhrana had a habit of instigating anarchist/socialist cells so they could break them. It was easier than actually finding anarchist in the wild


At least most of the lower level Okhrana members made up the Cheka when when that was instituted.

Posted by: Kindltot at October 18, 2020 12:05 PM (WyVLE)

423 "The main difference economically between the colonies and England was the willingness for the colonies to issue fiat money" kindltot

thanks, that is useful perspective. But I'm thinking the Brit demand for subservience was more globalist desire to rule, than mercantilist self interest. That is what brought about the Tea Party, when they went to ? monopoly control with force of the King's military?


We are deep into fiat money now ... but London is the root of evil when it comes to that, at least in more recent times. The term "rehypothecate" ... hypothetically using collateral from someone that owes you money, but doing it not just like a bank with a lien on a house, (declaring the house as their asset) ... but then doing that repeatedly, so ten people (or 50) have chain "loans" all using the same asset as (hypothetical) collateral. (all insured via an unregulated quadrillion dollar derivative market, which was backstopped by Uncle Sam at some point)


At some point the US made it illegal to "hypothecate" more than once, but London (as I recall) was the place to go to do it ad infinitum. That was how Madoff did it, but many others that were never arrested were highly leveraged (LTCM most noteworthy, leveraged between 50 and 300 to one, millionaires got bailed out, 'for the greater good'). Then came QE and now to defeat the virus problem and other attacks on the economy, we just threw in another $5T out of nowhere, buying up bad debt and ??


1913 started the Fed Reserve control of monetary policy, but Reagan really got the ball rolling with deficit spending. We are well into MMT now ... magic money tree ... the whole world is doing it, but we are the super power with reserve currency status. Interesting times indeed ... We made some bad people (leveraged gamblers) very rich with bailouts and the Greenspan Put. Future Uncertain. Some form of "reset"coming, hopefully orchestrated by Trump, not the commies.

Posted by: illiniwek at October 18, 2020 12:06 PM (Cus5s)

424 Biden Crime family in chronological order.
The link goes to Free Republic.
The link contains many many other links.
Worthy of a bookmark

https://tinyurl.com/y4g7be3h

Posted by: navybrat, at home at October 18, 2020 12:06 PM (w7KSn)

425 Noon-time new thread...

Posted by: gdgm+ at October 18, 2020 12:07 PM (ExnWy)

426 Nood by CBD

Posted by: sawhorse at October 18, 2020 12:07 PM (ARGoY)

427 15 guns?!?
Oh my goodness. I am a one-man militia!

Posted by: RI Red at October 18, 2020 12:08 PM (B0F3M)

428 hiya

Posted by: JT at October 18, 2020 12:08 PM (arJlL)

429 @422
there's an interesting story out of Australia, where a "brave" hair salon owner became a cause celebre because she refused to shut down, and was publicly arrested and fined.
Then the twitter folk exposed her as a crisis actor, and pointed out that the "salon" has only been in business a couple of months.
They claim it was a false flag to frighten everyone into line.
sounds familiar, doesn't it?

Posted by: artemis at October 18, 2020 12:09 PM (AwPyG)

430 421 The only people who really need a psychiatrist is another psychiatrist.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 18, 2020 12:05 PM (YXj1p

Um, no. I suspect you've never met people with schizophrenia or BPD. You can't talk these away.

Posted by: CN at October 18, 2020 12:11 PM (ONvIw)

431 Given that it's British, with their stereotypical reticence and traditional diet, I have a rather more enteric take on Milne's work:


Oh Bother! - a limerick

What's Christopher Robin to do?
With Piglet, and Kanga, and Roo
Said Tigger the Tiger
All he needs is more fiber
And then he'll be winning the poo!

Posted by: Muldoon at October 18, 2020 12:13 PM (m45I2)

432 Thanks, everyone!

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 18, 2020 12:13 PM (hYcqw)

433 414 We pretend that Obama was lazy and achieved nothing. Soros and China achieved nearly everything that they wanted through him. Look around. Does this look like Freedom and Liberty to you?

Socialism is dead? No. It's alive and thriving right here.
Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at October 18, 2020 11:49 AM (cvssK)

It's a matter of interpretation - Obama by himself did very, very little, other than ship cash to Iran. However, his inaction on every level allowed the Tech Giants, Soros, and China to each advance their own plans without any opposition. Still, an active serious President could have accelerated things far more. I suspect Obama and the Dems were so sure that they had finally achieved total control that they saw no reason to hurry.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 18, 2020 12:14 PM (V2Yro)

434 Um, no. I suspect you've never met people with schizophrenia or BPD. You can't talk these away.
Posted by: CN at October 18, 2020 12:11 PM (ONvIw)

I've known both, personally. Schizophrenia is now one of the more hopeful things to have, since it really can be controlled by drugs (most of the time) BPD - if you run into a real one, you just gotta stay far, far away. No one can help them.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 18, 2020 12:17 PM (V2Yro)

435 Judge Barrett's statement that the Declaration of Independence is not
law is trending. She's completely wrong on this point, as I explain in
my book:


I agree with her 100%. The Declaration of Independence was a letter sent to King George saying that we were breaking off from England and listed all the reasons why.


I would go so far as to say that the Declaration of Independece is the American equivalent of Martin Luther's 95 Theses.

Posted by: DynamiteDan at October 18, 2020 12:17 PM (su76E)

436 405 https://bit.ly/3jbw8gy


Current Sophia. I believe her to be unenhanced, un surgically molested.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 18, 2020 11:56 AM (q2K0j)


Right. She does not look surgically enhanced to me.

Off to worship, bbl.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at October 18, 2020 12:17 PM (3Z6en)

437 @433
This, exactly.

And they saw no reason to fill nearly 1/3 of the federal judgeships since Hillary wold want to reward her cronies with them.
The hubris is just like a Greek play

Posted by: artemis at October 18, 2020 12:18 PM (AwPyG)

438 The good thing about the Q Movement, even if it was a Dem PsyOp, is many people rallied around it, started their own support groups, and they had hope that they were not in this alone.


imo the thing is run by a few LARPs that mean well, but get things wrong (like Trust Sessions). But the groups that formed online endured, and they are a real force with maybe more enthusiasm and influence than most.

Posted by: illiniwek at October 18, 2020 12:21 PM (Cus5s)

439 BPD = BiPolar Disorder??

Posted by: Iris at October 18, 2020 12:21 PM (lSFe/)

440 I'll tell you who needs a psychiatrist, Lewis Carroll needs a psychiatrist.

Posted by: artemis at October 18, 2020 12:22 PM (AwPyG)

441 Borderline Personality Disorder. The picture in the dictionary is Meghan Markle

Posted by: artemis at October 18, 2020 12:22 PM (AwPyG)

442 I've known both, personally. Schizophrenia is now one of the more hopeful things to have, since it really can be controlled by drugs (most of the time) BPD - if you run into a real one, you just gotta stay far, far away. No one can help them.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 18, 2020 12:17 PM (V2Yro)

Bipolar can be controlled by drugs too. I've seen people stable for many years, then something happens (kidney problems with lithium) and they have a problem with the titration of the substitute. Often, bipolars miss the feelings of invulnerability and all their former energy and stop the meds.

I've never been a fan of relying on antidepressants when the depression is caused by an event or a situation. The grief must be allowed to resolve, and the situation must be fixed or the depression will not be "fixed"...and you risk a manic episode in some people.

Posted by: CN at October 18, 2020 12:23 PM (ONvIw)

443 BPD was shitty error, I've been chatting about borderlines on another site. I was horrified to see this upgraded to an axis I.

Posted by: CN at October 18, 2020 12:25 PM (ONvIw)

444 I've often wished for a word that encompassed nephews and nieces, or aunts and uncles for that matter. I don't think nibling is going to catch on.

My sister was upset when I once referred to her sons as my neffuse. For some reason.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/
words-at-play/words-were-watching-nibling
They are urging friends and family to use the word 'niblings' instead of the phrase nieces and nephews in an attempt to earn it a place in the Oxford English Dictionary. -- Chris Allen, The Bristol (UK) Post, 30 Apr. 2004.

moomin.fandom.com/wiki/Niblings
https://moomin.fandom.com/wiki/Niblings
Niblings (Swedish: Klippdassar) are small aquatic creatures, which chew off people's noses if they are too long for their taste.

Posted by: mindful webworker - generally squeaking at October 18, 2020 12:26 PM (ECLlc)

445
Socialism: An Idea Whose Time Has Come -- And Gone

Socialism: You're soaking in it.
Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at October 18, 2020 11:24 AM (cvssK)


Yeah, I never underestimate the hubris of people who want to return to an obvious untenable solution to the world's probs.
Part of that is they always visualize themselves as the elites- no camps or up against the walls for them.

Just got Rod Dreher's new book: "Live Not By Lies".
He analyses our situation now in light of the experience of
survivors of totalitarian. How did they do it and what can we learn from them?
Will let ya'll know more when I've finished it.

Posted by: Sal at October 18, 2020 12:27 PM (KTdeA)

446 There is no med for borderlines. Only tough love if they're young. I have always thought this had a "reward" component that needed to be squashed. The threat of the borderline cutting their wrists is very scary and real for many families and friends, and the borderline is rewarded for threats. Pretty borderlines get the most rewards, many men are susceptible to the "if you don't love me, I will die" line from a pretty young girl.

Posted by: CN at October 18, 2020 12:30 PM (ONvIw)

447 Sorry, if you look at any 2020 photos of La Bella Sophia, she's got facelift eyes and botox lips. Not as bad as some older actresses -- as I mentioned earlier, Hedy Lamar got WEIRD in her old age -- but, yeah.

Posted by: Trimegistus at October 18, 2020 12:30 PM (QZxDR)

448
Wow! Years ago KUSC a classical music station in LA used to play a variation of this regularly and I loved it. I never took the time to note the name, now I know. Thanks for the link.
Posted by: DR.WTF at October 18, 2020 11:57 AM (AiZBA)
---

Glad you like it! My favorite version is from Dead can Dance's album "Aion":

https://tinyurl.com/yypfqvnf

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Counter-Revolutionary She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at October 18, 2020 12:36 PM (Dc2NZ)

449 I just finished "The Ham Radio License Manual" by someone named Arrl.
It's an action-packed thriller with plenty of hertz. There's lots of electric propagation scenes, too!
Definitely recommended for the very high and utrahigh freaks around here.

Posted by: RI Red at October 18, 2020 09:31 AM


I'm actually muddling my way through Low Band DXing because of the (lack of) sunspots, you know.

Posted by: Cybersmythe at October 18, 2020 12:45 PM (qDSku)

450 illinwink, it is really more complicated than that. If you are willing to pay the price and go through the minutiae of specie v paper money and the story of the various iterations of the National Bank idea, do read Rothbard's book about the history of money and banking.

for any other historian it would a masterwork. For Rothbard, it was something he put together during down time between semesters.

Posted by: Kindltot at October 18, 2020 01:18 PM (WyVLE)

451 Kind of fun to imagine a melding of Kerouac's "On the Road" with Cormac McCarthy's "The Road".
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Counter-Revolutionary She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at October 18, 2020 10:09 AM (Dc2NZ)

"On The Road" is a rambling account of a rambling journey in a Rambler Hudson (at least in part).

I don't think Kerouac was trying to write Great Literature. He just had a tale to tell.

It might be fun, done as an audiobook, with an actor reading it in character.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 18, 2020 01:41 PM (8ltmV)

452 #444 --

Kinfolk.

Posted by: Weak Geek at October 18, 2020 01:49 PM (u/nim)

453 That's Louise Brooks, sporting the "Lulu" hairstyle she popularized.

Posted by: Editor at October 18, 2020 03:27 PM (FdjhG)

454 P.T.Barnum socialism doesn't die, because socialist recognize there is one born every minute. They blind many with outrageous lies and promises, that practice going back to the old Testament days.

Posted by: ron n. at October 18, 2020 03:39 PM (om5HK)

455 I read the first four Dortmunder books and then got distracted by other tings. I'm glad for the reminder and will be reading them asap.
For the mystery/crime fans, this week marked the US release of A Song for the Dark Times, the latest (#23) in the Inspector Rebus series by Ian Rankin. Great read. I love that series so much I named my dog Rebus.

Posted by: Ben Sears at October 19, 2020 01:36 AM (GBcwv)

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