Chris Wallace, Angry Defender of the Leftwing Democrat Establishment's Rights and Privileges

Many of us were dreading the Chris Wallace debate.

Because many of us have seen Chris Wallace's increasingly Maddow-like "reportage" over the past several years.

Previously Chris Wallace has insisted on the leftwing, and unfounded, claim that Kyle Rittenhouse is a "vigilante," nastily attacking, as he is wont to do, Katie Pavlich for making the inarguable observation that as official law enforcement recedes, private law enforcement -- "vigiliantism" -- will supplant it.

The first form of "law enforcement" is simply private vengeance-taking. That is only displaced with the introduction of reliable, professional third-party, disinterested law enforcement.

And when that professional third-party enforcement recedes, the original form of "law enforcement" returns.

This wasn't even "vigilantism," really -- this was a guy being asked by a property owner to guard his property.

But that sort of private performance of law enforcement functions is obviously required when the government-funded law enforcers are absent.

You'll notice two things from the below exchange: one, Chris Wallace is being praised by a far leftwing outlet, here, Rolling Stone.

Two, Chris Wallace really, really, really cannot abide women disputing his Solomonic pronoucements.

During a Thursday panel discussion, Fox News contributor Katie Pavlic seemed to make excuses for the alleged actions of 17-year-old Kyle Rittenhouse, who, on Wednesday, was charged with first-degree intentional homicide after allegedly shooting and killing two protesters and seriously injuring another during demonstrations over the police shooting of a Black man, Jacob Blake, in Kenosha, Wisconsin.
Fox News contributor Katie Pavlich made an argument that seemed to excuse vigilante justice when a law enforcement "void" exists.
"I have to say on the argument of vigilante justice. When you have no police around to defend businesses and people who are being attacked and their livelihoods burned to the ground, then there is a void that is filled," Pavlich said.
Pavlich then railed against Democratic city and state officials who she blamed for the supposed void, and host Melissa Francis wholeheartedly agreed with her take, saying, "No, that;s a great point. The vigilantes are just as much the fault of those local leaders who have failed so miserably. Great point."

Following a commercial break, Wallace made it clear that he was not buying the message that was sent during the last segment.

"I've got to push back on something we said at the end of the last segment because there seemed to be the implication that somehow vigilante justice was understandable or justified by the lack of sufficient police action and authority and presence in some of these cities," Wallace said.
As Wallace tried to complete his thought, both Pavlich and Francis showed their displeasure with Wallace's understanding of their argument, interrupting several times.
"I just gotta say this, just as it's completely a disconnect," Wallace said when he tried to continue after Francis interjected to say, "That's not what was said."
Wallace replied, "Well, that seemed to be the implication. That vigilantes were filling… Let me finish… that vigilantes were filling the void from police. Just as it’s fair to say that rioting and looting is a completely inappropriate response to George Floyd or Jacob Blake, vigilante justice is a completely inappropriate response to the rioting in the street. There is no justification for what happened in Kenosha, and vigilante justice is a crime and should be punished as a crime."

There is Chris Wallace -- hard news man -- pronouncing that self-defense of one's life is not a "justification" and furthermore that if you defend yourself from antifa/BLM, you should be prosecuted for a "crime."

As you saw in Tuesday night's debacle, Chris Wallace, like all other arrogant left-liberals, has not bothered to learn anything, and continues spitting out the venom of his early, uninformed #HotTake.

Wallace did understand what Pavlich was saying. But Wallace, like every other left-liberal, is determined to push the narrative that there are absolutely no negative consequences to BLM's riots. If BLM demands to end policing produce lawlessness, that is just "right wing riot porn" causing problems.

Here's Wallace again pushing -- hard! -- a very standard left-liberal claim, and again attacking a conservative woman for daring to dispute his Impotent Old Man Energy.

Fox News anchor Chris Wallace and network contributor Katie Pavlich got into a heated debate on Monday as they debated impeachment, with Wallace telling Pavlich to get her "facts straight" before "Special Report" anchor Bret Baier advised both sides to "tone it down" on Monday.

...
"The Senate is not the House, the House did not come with a complete case, and every impeachment beforehand, the witnesses that were called had been called in the House before being brought to the Senate," Pavlich argued. "So there are questions here about the process."

...

"Katie, what you're saying just isn't true. The fact is that the whistleblower information was given to the inspector general, who gave it to the Justice Department. The Justice Department decided not to investigate, and that is why it went to the House," Wallace said.

"So to say that in the Clinton investigation that these people were interviewed by the House, one, they weren't, and to say it wasn’t done by the Justice ... it wasn’t done by the Justice Department, because the Justice Department refused to carry out the investigation. Get your facts straight!" Wallace said.
"OK, OK, let's tone it down," Baier injected.

After Pavlich proved she was right, Wallace changed the topic to whining about him wanting John Bolton to be a witness.

Notice all the angry old man yelling that starts when a conservative woman shoots down his leftwing bullshit talking points.

And again, here's Chris Wallace angrily telling a conservative woman to shut up. Mollie Hemingway said that the Mueller Report had found nothing connecting Trump to Russia -- which had been reported in advance of the release of the full report.

Chris Wallace, who insists you trust the media except when he insists you cannot believe its reports, angrily tells Mollie Hemingway that she's not allowed to talk about media reports until the full report is released.

And again, Wallace is being praised by a leftwing source (Mediaite here).

Hemingway added "there needs to be a reckoning" in the media over their promises that Trump would be found guilty of [treason, collusion, etc.] "The people who spread this theory," Hemingway said, and "who did not behave appropriately, need to be held accountable."
Of course, Mueller’s report has not even been released yet, something Fox News anchor Chris Wallace pointed out in the segment after Hemingway's comments.

"No one has seen [this report]," Wallace said. "To say that somehow this clears the president seems like the height of rushing to judgment."
Wallace went on to brutally dismantle the rest of Hemingway's arguments seeking to dismiss Mueller’s investigation.
"People talk about the appointment of the special counsel," Wallace said. "The fact is the reason the special counsel was appointed is because Trump fired James Comey in the middle of his investigation. If Comey had been allowed to finish his investigation there probably wouldn’t have been an special counsel."

Note that Chris Wallace is, was, and always will be a huge shill for the Russia Collusion Conspiracy Theory -- and has been extremely reluctant to report on the huge news since then that almost everything Wallace previously claimed to be true was in fact a lie.

"I'm also a little surprised at this talk about process crimes," he continued. “Process crimes are not parking tickets. Process crimes are lying to federal prosecutors, they’re lying to the FBI. This is the very basis of which justice is administered. And to the degree that which commit perjury, that's a very serious crime."

And yet Chris Wallace has never called for perjury prosecutions for conspirators known to have lied in procuring the FISA warrants.

Wallace noted the special counsel resulted in "serious convictions" of Trump's former national security adviser Michael Flynn, Trump's former campaign manager Paul Manafort, and Trump's former lawyer Michael Cohen.

The Hard News Man Strikes Again. First of all, Michael Flynn is innocent, as we all now know (though Wallace is characteristically quiet about proof of lawbreaking in trying to "get Flynn.")

But even at this time, Flynn was never "convicted." You are considered "convicted" in a plea deal, but only after you plea to the judge and the judge accepts the plea.

This never happened. Flynn has never been "convicted" and in fact someone with a litigious bent could sue Wallace for claiming he was.

And here's Chris Wallace again attacking a conservative female reporter, Sandra Smith, in order to in order to advance the Trump impeachment.

Chris Wallace is, I will speculate confidently, retiring next year.

He has been showing more and more partisan animus for the past three years. He literally yells at women on TV.

He decided to go out with a blaze of glory for the benefit of the Democrat Party, of which he was a member.

FoxNews has watched him become more and more embittered and more and more emotionally unbalanced in the pursuit of his partisan goals, and let him serve as moderator anyway.

This is not Chris Wallace's sin alone -- it is Fox News'. The corporate neoliberal owners of Fox new the product they were ordering up when they made this hacky nepot the "moderator." They got what they were asking for.

Funny: via Pine Barrens.

Posted by: Ace at 12:12 PM

Comments

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1 Foist?

Posted by: Old Dude at October 01, 2020 12:12 PM (LGXGf)

2 not foist

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at October 01, 2020 12:12 PM (LvTSG)

3 Wallace is a douchecanoe.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 01, 2020 12:13 PM (bDqIh)

4 Monarch of all I survey!

Posted by: Old Dude at October 01, 2020 12:13 PM (LGXGf)

5 Whoa

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at October 01, 2020 12:13 PM (Do5/p)

6 Imma read it now.

Posted by: Gilded at October 01, 2020 12:13 PM (BRkq2)

7 https://bit.ly/2SfJrSb
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'It is what it is': debate moderator reflects on Trump-Biden clash
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Fucking Peckerhead has absolutely No self awareness

Posted by: Ghost Of Ruth Buzzi Ginsberg at October 01, 2020 12:13 PM (1Dmt5)

8 Hola

Posted by: Thanatopsis at beautiful Chancre del Diablo ranch at October 01, 2020 12:14 PM (cBZr8)

9 Mornin' Ace.

Posted by: BunkerInTheBurbs at October 01, 2020 12:14 PM (wB/Lq)

10 TLDR.

Science!

Posted by: zombie at October 01, 2020 12:14 PM (HEEq1)

11 That picture is awesome.

Morning, Ace!

Posted by: garrett at October 01, 2020 12:14 PM (2LpSm)

12 Hey, remember before the dabate how Chris Wallace announced that he would be "invisible?"

Bet he is pissed that Trump forced him to get involved by refusing to play along with the Wallace-Biden campaign script.

Also, saw mentioned on twitter: Wallace's list of topics did not include climate change. Why did he have prepared questions about that then? Why did Biden have prepared answers?

Posted by: Lizzy at October 01, 2020 12:15 PM (bDqIh)

13 I read the content. Dammit.

Posted by: clutch cargo at October 01, 2020 12:15 PM (8B6Ng)

14 Ohhhh LOLOL

That photoshop....Oh lord let me catch my breath, that's viscously funny!

Posted by: Hugh Forbes at October 01, 2020 12:15 PM (BgMrQ)

15 Fox News Sunday sucks donkey balls.

Posted by: wth at October 01, 2020 12:16 PM (v0R5T)

16 Photo Caption Contest!

"Is that my back hole or are you just happy to see me?"

Posted by: ShainS at October 01, 2020 12:16 PM (WqPYg)

17 So I have an idea for a dystopian novel where the journalist debate moderators ask their pointed questions, get shot through the head, their body collapses and is dragged away and the debaters continue uninterrupted.

Can we do that in real life? I have several thousand questions I'd like my societal betters to ask.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at October 01, 2020 12:16 PM (v2c9/)

18 /off IRA sock

Posted by: Hugh Forbes at October 01, 2020 12:16 PM (BgMrQ)

19 "All your news and opinion outlets are belong to us"The Left.

Posted by: Old Dude at October 01, 2020 12:16 PM (LGXGf)

20 The main positive that came out of the debate is that it burned into the public mind the incandescent bias ,dishonesty and ideological corruption of the media.

Posted by: Lebron Horowitz at October 01, 2020 12:17 PM (UFgOG)

21 Steve Scully - moderator 2nd Presidential Debate
"While attending college, he served as an intern in the office of Delaware Sen. Joseph R. Biden,"
Rigged system?
**********
OHHHH GOODY

Posted by: Ghost Of Ruth Buzzi Ginsberg at October 01, 2020 12:17 PM (1Dmt5)

22 I've hated Wallace since the last election, and a bit before that. But he's definitely gone off the deep (state) end for Joe.

He can't quit him.

Posted by: clutch cargo at October 01, 2020 12:17 PM (8B6Ng)

23 I can't remember the exact circumstances but I remember Wallace telling Katie Pavlich to "get your facts straight" over some political issue about Trump that Wallace didn't agree with.

It was rude but the worst part was he was dead wrong and Katie was right. Don't think he ever apologized.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 01, 2020 12:17 PM (ZLI7S)

24 Wallace is a shill and a hack. He has probably always been. In the Trump era, he - like all the rest of them - has just seen their masks ripped off. To the bottom-barrel LoFos out there, though, the ploy of "he works for Fox so he's a Reich-winger" might hold up - but not for anyone else.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 01, 2020 12:17 PM (hYcqw)

25 If Trump calls Beijing Joe "Brokeback Biden" we'll know he lurks here ... and I might die from the resulting schadenboner.

Posted by: ShainS at October 01, 2020 12:17 PM (WqPYg)

26 Building Broke Back Better

Posted by: clutch cargo at October 01, 2020 12:18 PM (8B6Ng)

27 >>Photo Caption Contest!

"I love a saddle with two Pommels!"

Posted by: garrett at October 01, 2020 12:18 PM (2LpSm)

28 Fox is garbage.

Posted by: Asshoes at October 01, 2020 12:18 PM (22mNy)

29 /can't de-sock to save my life

Posted by: browndog at October 01, 2020 12:18 PM (BgMrQ)

30 Wallace is far past what his father was...

Posted by: Gmac - WTF did you think was going to happen? at October 01, 2020 12:18 PM (+YZe8)

31 Over/under on a cuck shed in Chris's backyard.

Posted by: Jane D'Oh at October 01, 2020 12:18 PM (ptqGC)

32 I hope Lin Wood takes Biden and Wallace to the cleaners and puts them in the poor house.

Both are vile excuses for human beings.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 01, 2020 12:18 PM (TOSDA)

33 Yo !

Posted by: Yo! at October 01, 2020 12:18 PM (GIeIM)

34 Wallace is responsible for my stopping watching FNS. Hectoring and dumb is a bad combination.

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 01, 2020 12:18 PM (y7DUB)

35 Chris Wallace is what happens when your side is losing the argument in front of the American people. Bitter, angry and rage-confused as to why no one will believe you when you tell them the sky is yellow.

Younger, brighter journalists are making a mockery of him and his 'brains' and he's pissed about it. He's also upset he isn't Mike Wallace and no one respects his tenured, wrinkly ass.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 01, 2020 12:19 PM (emxxF)

36 daring to dispute his Impotent Old Man Energy
.......

Old Man Balls !

Posted by: wth at October 01, 2020 12:19 PM (v0R5T)

37 21 Steve Scully - moderator 2nd Presidential Debate
"While attending college, he served as an intern in the office of Delaware Sen. Joseph R. Biden,"
Rigged system?

___

What in the ACTUAL FUCK? How does Trump agree to this shit?

Posted by: Asshoes at October 01, 2020 12:19 PM (22mNy)

38 There is no justification for what happened in Kenosha, and vigilante justice is a crime and should be punished as a crime."

Rittenhouse was being attacked by people who were armed and wanted to kill him. Yeah no justification at all. Fck that church lady twat Wallace

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 01, 2020 12:19 PM (KV7lx)

39 But....Chris's wife wrote a cookbook about soup!

Posted by: Jane D'Oh at October 01, 2020 12:19 PM (ptqGC)

40 In Before HonestCloud troll...

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 01, 2020 12:19 PM (QPbAP)

41 I watched most of the debate. Virtually every question was framed in democrat terms. The closest Wallace came to a GOP based question was the one on packing the supreme court, and Biden refused to answer, and Wallace refused to press him on it.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 01, 2020 12:19 PM (kA3Cp)

42 This one is good too.

https://tinyurl.com/y2rmeqzr

Posted by: Pine Barrens at October 01, 2020 12:19 PM (oh+79)

43 >>>23 I can't remember the exact circumstances but I remember Wallace telling Katie Pavlich to "get your facts straight" over some political issue about Trump that Wallace didn't agree with.

boy I wish i'd included that in the post.

oh well.

Posted by: ace at October 01, 2020 12:20 PM (PbpT7)

44 The main positive that came out of the debate is that it burned into the public mind the incandescent bias ,dishonesty and ideological corruption of the media.
Posted by: Lebron Horowitz

I wish I could agree with you but, judging from the comments of my lib friends, they saw a even-handed moderator giving no help to either side. At worst, they believe Pissy helped PDT by not cutting him off.

Willfully delusional comes to mind.

Posted by: Tonypete at October 01, 2020 12:20 PM (Rvt88)

45 >>Rittenhouse was being attacked by felons, and people who were illegally armed

Posted by: garrett at October 01, 2020 12:20 PM (2LpSm)

46 I haven't watched Fox News in years, and I don't expect to any time soon. Bongino mentioned Wallace in his podcast yesterday but he was really tepid on it. Guess he still wants Fox's approval.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 01, 2020 12:20 PM (AFSld)

47 My daughter was ROTF over that Brokeback meme this morning.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at October 01, 2020 12:20 PM (dfRN6)

48 Andddd... the Moderator of the next debate?

CSPAN guy Steve Scully?

PROUD that he got his start in DC, working in one of Joe Biden's Offices.

Yeah, moderator, worked for Biden.

Posted by: Peasant in the MOB. at October 01, 2020 12:20 PM (NgKpN)

49 Oh ace, that photoshop. lol!

Posted by: bluebell at October 01, 2020 12:20 PM (/669Q)

50
boy I wish i'd included that in the post.

oh well.
Posted by: ace at October 01, 2020 12:20 PM (PbpT7

No one reads the content.

Lol

Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 01, 2020 12:20 PM (emxxF)

51 There should be awards for stuff like that picture. Netties or something.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at October 01, 2020 12:21 PM (sWM8x)

52
The real story was is why was BLM/antifa trying to harm/kill a 17yo kids putting out fires, removing graphitti and helping as a medic.?

????

Posted by: Yo! at October 01, 2020 12:21 PM (GIeIM)

53 If there are 3 debates, Wallace will be the least biased moderator of the trio. Book it.

Posted by: Fortcoins at October 01, 2020 12:21 PM (Bak53)

54 >>>46 I haven't watched Fox News in years, and I don't expect to any time soon. Bongino mentioned Wallace in his podcast yesterday but he was really tepid on it. Guess he still wants Fox's approval.

they've all been told they cannot criticize Wallace.

Posted by: ace at October 01, 2020 12:21 PM (PbpT7)

55 Trumpbroke Mountain

Posted by: Jane D'Oh at October 01, 2020 12:21 PM (ptqGC)

56 I never watch Chris Matthews, because I cannot stand smug liberalism. It's the worst kind.

Having said that, the entire broadcast business is full of libtards. Honestly, I wonder why media people observing Americans, their customer base, and see one dimensionally stupid people out there, and only elderly retarded socialist news readers seem employable?

Posted by: Former Twitter CEO Dick Costolo at October 01, 2020 12:21 PM (VtXra)

57 LMAO at photo

Posted by: vmom 2020 - Grow Up and Vote for Trump by Eddie Scarry at October 01, 2020 12:21 PM (nUhF0)

58 That Photoshop is going to give me nightmares...

Did they recite some cowboy poetry?

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 01, 2020 12:21 PM (TOSDA)

59 I dont think its so much a love for Biden, as it is a hate for Trump.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at October 01, 2020 12:21 PM (JRaU+)

60 21 Steve Scully - moderator 2nd Presidential Debate
"While attending college, he served as an intern in the office of Delaware Sen. Joseph R. Biden,"
Rigged system?

Why does the GOP agree to these moderators? This is the height of insanity.

Posted by: Eisenhorn at October 01, 2020 12:21 PM (F6tBH)

61 I hope Lin Wood takes Biden and Wallace to the cleaners and puts them in the poor house.

Both are vile excuses for human beings.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 01, 2020 12:18 PM (TOSDA)

I think Lin would need to first ask Wallace to denounce the video using his voice. Really, it wasn't anything Wallace put together (that was Biden team), they just used Wallace's voice from the debate.

But, he either agrees with it being his voice and all, or not. Biden on the other hand should be wide-open. He straight up called Rittenhouse a white supremacist, and tied him with burning and looting.

Anybody with 2 brain cells would then wonder why Biden's team has been posting bail for white supremacists burning, looting and killing. Sadly, too many people only have the one brain cell, and it's all tied up with breathing and keeping the heart going.

Posted by: clutch cargo at October 01, 2020 12:21 PM (8B6Ng)

62 >>I wish i'd included that in the post.

Nobody is gonna notice if you left it out.

...or, if you edit it.

Posted by: garrett at October 01, 2020 12:21 PM (2LpSm)

63 "... There is no justification for what happened in Kenosha, and vigilante justice is a crime and should be punished as a crime."

_________

Hey Chrissie, to paraphrase your boy JFK: "Those who make criminal justice impossible will make vigilante justice inevitable." FOAD -- you've moved up near the top of my list ...

Posted by: ShainS at October 01, 2020 12:21 PM (WqPYg)

64 I can't stay but just wanted to say:Great picture choice ! Perfectly expresses the situation without a single word.Kudos, Ace. You're the best.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 01, 2020 12:22 PM (8bZqG)

65 boy I wish i'd included that in the post.

There are rules here about reading the content!

Nice photoshop, though.

Posted by: spindrift at October 01, 2020 12:22 PM (14DIz)

66 Oh gawd, I saw that pic and all I can say

They are swapping spit.

And there is something wrong with that (ATISWWT).

Get a room, boyz.

And here I thought Wallace was quite a bit too old for Bribem's tastes.

Posted by: GnuBreed at October 01, 2020 12:22 PM (Z4rgH)

67 Fox News anchor Chris Wallace and network contributor Katie Pavlich got
into a heated debate on Monday as they debated impeachment, with Wallace
telling Pavlich to get her "facts straight" before "Special Report"
anchor Bret Baier advised both sides to "tone it down" on Monday.

I loved to see Katie bitch slap that turd.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 01, 2020 12:22 PM (KV7lx)

68 >>>The real story was is why was BLM/antifa trying to harm/kill a 17yo kids putting out fires, removing graphitti and helping as a medic.?

Because they're animals?

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 01, 2020 12:22 PM (AFSld)

69 Whoever won the debate, Chris Wallace lost it.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 01, 2020 12:22 PM (+y/Ru)

70 62 >>I wish i'd included that in the post.

Nobody is gonna notice if you left it out.

...or, if you edit it.
Posted by: garrett at October 01, 2020 12:21 PM (2LpSm

''Twas sarcasm. He did include it. Jack straw is too high to read it.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 01, 2020 12:22 PM (emxxF)

71 I seriously doubt that there is even ONE single truly "undecided" voter out there.

C'mon, people, you're had four years to pick a side. And in modern society the two opposing tribes are exceedingly divergent: You are on either on Team Left, way over on that side of the island, or you are on Team Right, way over on the other side. Who remains in the No Man's Land? No one. Maybe in the past it was allowable to wander like a blundering cow around the Indecisiveness Zone, but that is no longer permitted by society. You MUST declare your tribal affiliation. Even remaining silent is presumed to be a declaration.

As a result, I really don't think anyone's mind was changed by the debate one way or the other.

And I also think that there is indeed a MASSIVE "secret Trump" out there, unmeasured by polls.

THe election will be decided by each side's "get out the vote" efforts, not by changing minds.

And in that arena, I think Biden just suppressed his own sides vote, by pissing of the base of the Democratic Party.

Trump, on the other hand, grabbed fistfuls of still-steaming bloody raw meat and hurled it into the mosh pit of his base.

Posted by: zombie at October 01, 2020 12:22 PM (HEEq1)

72 But....Chris's wife wrote a cookbook about soup!
Posted by: Jane D'Oh at October 01, 2020 12:19 PM (ptqGC)

And I contributed a soup recipe to the Moron Cookbook!

Posted by: Josephistan at October 01, 2020 12:22 PM (qvx34)

73 So here is how the MSM gaslights people

Headline: Jobless claims edge lower to 837,000 as slow recovery continues

In the story, several paragraphs down: Continuing claims provided some better news, with those collecting benefits for at least two weeks falling by 980,000 to 11.77 million

So the net number of people on UE decreased by 150,000 which is very good. But the headline of the story highlights bad news. And this shit happens with virtually every story on economics today.

Posted by: Asshoes at October 01, 2020 12:23 PM (22mNy)

74 boy I wish i'd included that in the post.

oh well.

Posted by: ace at October 01, 2020 12:20 PM (PbpT7)

________

Forget it, Ace. It's 4:20 somewhere ...
;-)

Posted by: ShainS at October 01, 2020 12:23 PM (WqPYg)

75 Why does the GOP agree to these moderators? This is the height of insanity.
Posted by: Eisenhorn at October 01, 2020 12:21 PM (F6tBH)
*******
Go check the RINO's on The Presidential Debate committee

Posted by: Ghost Of Ruth Buzzi Ginsberg at October 01, 2020 12:23 PM (1Dmt5)

76 >>He did include it.

Well, the jury is still out until someone reads the Thread.

Posted by: garrett at October 01, 2020 12:23 PM (2LpSm)

77 "... There is no justification for what happened in Kenosha, and vigilante justice is a crime and should be punished as a crime."

_________

Hey Chrissie, to paraphrase your boy JFK: "Those who make criminal justice impossible will make vigilante justice inevitable." FOAD -- you've moved up near the top of my list ...
Posted by: ShainS

That wasn't vigilante justice.
He doesn't want to see vigilante justice.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 01, 2020 12:23 PM (RkYsP)

78 I haven't watched Fox News in years, and I don't expect to any time soon. Bongino mentioned Wallace in his podcast yesterday but he was really tepid on it. Guess he still wants Fox's approval.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 01, 2020 12:20 PM (AFSld)

Levin refusing to refer to Wallace by name, but just "the moderator", was oddly disappointing.

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 01, 2020 12:23 PM (y7DUB)

79 42 This one is good too.
https://tinyurl.com/y2rmeqzr
Posted by: Pine Barrens at October 01, 2020 12:19 PM (oh+79)
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Haha! Ace should add that.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at October 01, 2020 12:23 PM (sWM8x)

80 Here's hoping Wallace is forced to defend himself against the mob. I'd like to see what tune he sings then.

Posted by: Eisenhorn at October 01, 2020 12:23 PM (F6tBH)

81 I wish I could quit Chris Wallace.

Oh wait, I have.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Mostly Peaceful, Free WA, Buy Ammo at October 01, 2020 12:24 PM (lLlsv)

82 Photo caption:

Gee, your hair smells terrific!

Posted by: wth at October 01, 2020 12:24 PM (v0R5T)

83 As per usual, the left is arguing from a false premise, that Kyle was a vigilante.

Never let the left set the terms of the debate.

The premise that Kyle is or was a vigilante should have been squelched, immediately.

Then, the argument for or against vigilante justice can start.

And, of course, Rolling Stone is insinuating "charged" equal "guilty."

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at October 01, 2020 12:24 PM (WEBkv)

84 Wallace is just another talking head media gateway for the DC swamp dwellers, it's a symbiotic relationship; they cannot gain their graft without each other. He's simply protecting his inventory of DC ratfvckers.

Posted by: BluesFish at October 01, 2020 12:24 PM (WQZ1O)

85 Imagine having an honest fair moderator at a presidential debate. Pretty sure that's never happened.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 01, 2020 12:24 PM (AFSld)

86 Biden looks too healthy in that pic.

Posted by: Jane D'Oh at October 01, 2020 12:24 PM (ptqGC)

87 Caption Contest!

"We've got another 2-3 hours until we get to Camp. Keep doing those Kegels."

Posted by: garrett at October 01, 2020 12:25 PM (2LpSm)

88 >>>Levin refusing to refer to Wallace by name, but just "the moderator", was oddly disappointing

Agreed. Guess he doesn't want to offend Paul Ryan either.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 01, 2020 12:25 PM (AFSld)

89 The only disagreement I have with the main post is the idea that Wallace will retire soon. Why do that when he did exactly what the Murdoch boys are paying him to do? He'll probably get a million dollar bonus check from them for his debate performance.

And I'm disgusted that Tucker Carlson was ordered to not mention his outrageous performance at all.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 01, 2020 12:25 PM (Kpl3J)

90 You know what would be really nice? If on the next inauguration day speech Trump announces that the new director of the FBI in General Flynn, and we have camera shots of all of the coup conspirators so we can watch them simultaneously Nadler their pants.

Posted by: An Observation at October 01, 2020 12:26 PM (trMS6)

91 Two, Chris Wallace really, really, really cannot abide women disputing his Solomonic pronoucements.

Those wimmens, they scare the bejeezus out of me.

Posted by: Chrissy Wallace at October 01, 2020 12:26 PM (vtcmf)

92 >>>88 >>>Levin refusing to refer to Wallace by name, but just "the moderator", was oddly disappointing

Agreed. Guess he doesn't want to offend Paul Ryan either.

..

I am saying this flatly: they have been warned that their jobs are at risk if they criticize Wallace.

Posted by: ace at October 01, 2020 12:26 PM (PbpT7)

93 Wallace is mighty sensitive considering his industry is lying for the purpose of creating racial violence because they think it will help Biden be elected. You've got blood on your hands, Chris.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 01, 2020 12:26 PM (+y/Ru)

94 I'm gonna sue this fvcker Chris Wallace for besmirching my name.

Posted by: Mod R. Ator at October 01, 2020 12:26 PM (mNhhD)

95 OT thought this was funny

so there was a drug-robbery-murder at a Dunkin Donuts a couple years ago and the police just posted on FB that the perps got second degree murder convictions

the funny part is that the first fb comment on the police dept page was:

"If this happened at Dunkin,why weren't you there to stop it?"

(link tonooz article on case
https://preview.tinyurl.com/y4jgvtdo
)

Posted by: vmom 2020 - Grow Up and Vote for Trump by Eddie Scarry at October 01, 2020 12:27 PM (nUhF0)

96 92 >>>88 >>>Levin refusing to refer to Wallace by name, but just "the moderator", was oddly disappointing

Agreed. Guess he doesn't want to offend Paul Ryan either.

..

I am saying this flatly: they have been warned that their jobs are at risk if they criticize Wallace.

Posted by: ace at October 01, 2020 12:26 PM (PbpT7)

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Fair and balanced!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at October 01, 2020 12:27 PM (LvTSG)

97 Why does the GOP agree to these moderators? This is the height of insanity.
Posted by: Eisenhorn at October 01, 2020 12:21 PM (F6tBH)

The GOP is the ideologically incoherent junior partner of the Uniparty. Trump is doing his best to change that.

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 01, 2020 12:27 PM (y7DUB)

98 >>I am saying this flatly: they have been warned that their jobs are at risk if they criticize Wallace.

So, they are like those brave FBI Agents.

The vaunted Ham and Eggers?

Posted by: garrett at October 01, 2020 12:27 PM (2LpSm)

99 I agree that it would be great for them to tell Fox "fuck you" and let fly

But fox has threatened them. This is not mere speculation.

I'll do a post later but I have to be careful.

Posted by: ace at October 01, 2020 12:27 PM (PbpT7)

100 Whoever won the debate, Chris Wallace lost it.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 01, 2020 12:22 PM (+y/Ru)
++++++++++
This more or less lines up with everything I have heard. I don't know many hardcore Lefties, but plenty of "apolitical" types. The most common refrain I hear is something like "there were no winners, but the biggest loser was Wallace."

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 01, 2020 12:27 PM (hYcqw)

101 All the masks are slipping. Which is good. No one likes masks.

It's good that Fox News learns the invaluable lesson that fucking over your core constituency will get you broke like CNN.

Bring on the rise of RSBN and OANN

Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 01, 2020 12:27 PM (emxxF)

102 It's a sad realization that even Bongino and Levin are terrified of upsetting the Corporate Masters.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 01, 2020 12:27 PM (Kpl3J)

103 85
Imagine having an honest fair moderator at a presidential debate. Pretty sure that's never happened.

Imagine having no moderators. The candidates are not children, and don't require them. Select questions beforehand, and have a timer. That's it.

Also, the Commission on Presidential Debates can go f*** itself. When we want your input, you self-important t***s, we'll ask for it.

Posted by: pep at October 01, 2020 12:27 PM (v16oJ)

104 71 I seriously doubt that there is even ONE single truly "undecided" voter out there.

_

I've mentioned this before, but my wife truly is undecided. She voted for Trump in 2016. She likes what Trump has done for the most part policy wise. But she hates Trump as a person, hates that he says (in her words) all sorts of crazy shit and thinks he is literally insane. But she also doesn't want higher taxes and also thinks Biden looks like a tired old man who is not quite all there.

And she really doesn't know what she'll do. I think most likely she just doesn't vote for president.

Posted by: Asshoes at October 01, 2020 12:27 PM (22mNy)

105 I think this is supposedly sad news, but it may actually be a good sign. John Legend and Chrissy Tiegen (who have been heavily linked to pedo ring) recently claimed to be pregnant, and today claim they lost the baby.
Remember, he was recently in the news saying he was going to move to Canada to get away from Trump.

Sympathy play? They must think that something's coming

Posted by: artemis at October 01, 2020 12:28 PM (AwPyG)

106 "shooting and killing two protesters"

They were looting, burning things and threatening people. They weren't protesters, they were rioters & looters.

So sick of the MSM.

Posted by: 29Victor at October 01, 2020 12:28 PM (BJKQV)

107 >>I'll do a post later but I have to be careful.

Pro Tip : Don't walk under the tv or the shelving.

Posted by: garrett at October 01, 2020 12:28 PM (2LpSm)

108 This more or less lines up with everything I have heard. I don't know many hardcore Lefties, but plenty of "apolitical" types. The most common refrain I hear is something like "there were no winners, but the biggest loser was Wallace."
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 01, 2020 12:27 PM (hYcqw)

The best line I've heard is that The Debate consisted of Two Angry Old Men Shouting, and Trump got in some good lines too.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 01, 2020 12:28 PM (Kpl3J)

109 Due to Pissy's blatant partisanship to the left, I consider we are owed a remedy. I propose Kurt Schlichter be allowed to moderate one of these events.

Posted by: Old Dude at October 01, 2020 12:28 PM (LGXGf)

110 Wallace is as biased as the rest of the media. The mask has been ripped away.

Posted by: USNtakim at October 01, 2020 12:28 PM (0OmEj)

111 https://bit.ly/36mPDQE
*******
I Haven't Heard Anything Coherent from Him" - Black Billionaire Robert Johnson Slams JOE BIDEN and the Democrat Party's Plans for America (VIDEO)

Posted by: Ghost Of Ruth Buzzi Ginsberg at October 01, 2020 12:28 PM (1Dmt5)

112
Just like Rob Reiner's rage comes from the fact that in a billion billion universes, he will never outshine his father's talent and appeal.

Same goes for Wallace. Not that his father was anything but another red shill, but it's the same psychology.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 01, 2020 12:28 PM (s2VJv)

113 Believe all women, except conservative women.

Posted by: shibumi, cat wrangler on the prison planet at October 01, 2020 12:29 PM (ZCiJZ)

114 I am saying this flatly: they have been warned that their jobs are at risk if they criticize Wallace.

Posted by: ace at October 01, 2020 12:26 PM (PbpT7)

I can't think of anything that makes more sense than that.

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 01, 2020 12:29 PM (y7DUB)

115 Got our NJ mail-in ballots today. They also included someone who lived here BEFORE the previous owner. Filling it out for Trump is a no brainer, right? I mean, this is what happens when we can't update the rolls right?

Posted by: Dark Helmet at October 01, 2020 12:29 PM (Oka5v)

116 -
--
It's good that Fox News learns the invaluable lesson that fucking over your core constituency will get you broke like CNN.

Bring on the rise of RSBN and OANN
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 01, 2020 12:27 PM

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Agreed. The sooner Fox dies, the better.

Posted by: irright at October 01, 2020 12:29 PM (8rX4S)

117 Imagine having an honest fair moderator at a presidential debate. Pretty sure that's never happened.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 01, 2020

*
*

Who moderated JFK vs. Nixon?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 01, 2020 12:29 PM (Ejm1K)

118 "That's not the saddle horn, christina..."
"Oh Joe"

Posted by: Banned at October 01, 2020 12:29 PM (Yi8pX)

119 97 Why does the GOP agree to these moderators? This is the height of insanity.
Posted by: Eisenhorn at October 01, 2020 12:21 PM (F6tBH)

The GOP is the ideologically incoherent junior partner of the Uniparty. Trump is doing his best to change that.
Posted by: Captain Hate at October 01, 2020 12:27 PM (y7DUB)

___

The Trump campaign agrees to debate rules and moderators. Trump himself (or his campaign representatives) agreed to this. It makes no sense. Either he has people in the campaign who are clueless or are working against his interests. There's no 3rd option.

Posted by: Asshoes at October 01, 2020 12:29 PM (22mNy)

120 >>>I am saying this flatly: they have been warned that their jobs are at risk if they criticize Wallace.

Why would any self-respecting person abide by those rules? I mean, I know the answer is money, but still.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 01, 2020 12:29 PM (AFSld)

121 OK, just woke up and just got here, but important point.

That argument is conflation of vigilante *justice* and simple citizen patrol. Citizen patrol is common and is nothing wrong. It is what Zimmerman was doing. It is block watch. It is the guards hired by stores, and NEWS ORGANIZATIONS, and celebrities.

Citizen justice, is the hang-em-from-a-tree bit. It is the hunting, capture, and punishment of supposed offenders.

What Rittenhouse did was not vigilante justice. It was self defense after he was attacked - at least 4 times.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at October 01, 2020 12:29 PM (LWu6U)

122 [iI am saying this flatly: they have been warned that their jobs are at risk if they criticize Wallace.

Posted by: ace

One would hope Tucker has made enough money by now, that he would tell them to f*** off, but I guess he doesn't think so. Still, it would be a hell of a way to start a political campaign. Just sayin'.

Posted by: pep at October 01, 2020 12:30 PM (v16oJ)

123 Not casting aspersions on Ace's Photoshop skills, but this picture looks like the work of JJ Sefton.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 01, 2020 12:30 PM (6xA3t)

124 He has been showing more and more partisan animus for the past three years. He literally yells at women on TV.
Otter surprise animus??

Posted by: andycanuck at October 01, 2020 12:30 PM (an7Mv)

125 All the masks are slipping. Which is good. No one likes masks.
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You just want people to die!!11!!1!!!

Posted by: Karen McWinemom at October 01, 2020 12:30 PM (vg8iE)

126 101 All the masks are slipping. Which is good. No one likes masks.

It's good that Fox News learns the invaluable lesson that fucking over your core constituency will get you broke like CNN.

Bring on the rise of RSBN and OANN
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 01, 2020 12:27 PM (emxxF)

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Well, except that they still seem to be on top because of Tucker.

I mean, what's the world if the right isn't subsidizing the left?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at October 01, 2020 12:30 PM (LvTSG)

127 Re: Biden's Intern as debate Moderator

The GOP still operates as if this isn't war and one side isn't trying to literally kill the other and destroy the republic for good.

It's a weird bit of cluelessness best explained by the assumption they are not against any of that.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 01, 2020 12:30 PM (emxxF)

128 I'll do a post later but I have to be careful.
Posted by: ace at October 01, 2020 12:27 PM (PbpT7)

Oooh, intrigue!

Posted by: Jordan61 at October 01, 2020 12:30 PM (Ez6QX)

129 And I also think that there is indeed a MASSIVE "secret Trump" out there, unmeasured by polls.

THe election will be decided by each side's "get out the vote" efforts, not by changing minds.

Posted by: zombie at October 01, 2020 12:22 PM (HEEq1)
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From your lips to G*d's ears. What just happened to that pro-cycling young man shows what happens when you poke your head up above the foxhole and support Trump publicly.

Per Breitbart, Quinn Simmons was just suspended from his team for a pro-Trump tweet.

This is the new normal if The Left and haters like Chris Wallace get their dream of winning on November 3. Everybody not on their team gets canceled. Go ahead and starve, kulaks.

Posted by: Boots at October 01, 2020 12:30 PM (oGBso)

130 111 https://bit.ly/36mPDQE
*******
I Haven't Heard Anything Coherent from Him" - Black Billionaire Robert Johnson Slams JOE BIDEN and the Democrat Party's Plans for America (VIDEO)
Posted by: Ghost Of Ruth Buzzi Ginsberg at October 01, 2020 12:28 PM (1Dmt5)

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That is one dark skinned white supremacist.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at October 01, 2020 12:31 PM (LvTSG)

131 105 I think this is supposedly sad news, but it may actually be a good sign. John Legend and Chrissy Tiegen (who have been heavily linked to pedo ring) recently claimed to be pregnant, and today claim they lost the baby.

==
claimed?
but they posted such artistic sepia-toned photos of themselves crying at the hospital, how could you doubt them for one second, you monster/

Posted by: vmom 2020 - Grow Up and Vote for Trump by Eddie Scarry at October 01, 2020 12:31 PM (nUhF0)

132 123 Not casting aspersions on Ace's Photoshop skills, but this picture looks like the work of JJ Sefton.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 01, 2020 12:30 PM (6xA3t)

It is my style, but I cannot take credit.

(mumbles away, in bitter jealousy)

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 01, 2020 12:31 PM (s2VJv)

133 But fox has threatened them. This is not mere speculation.

I'll do a post later but I have to be careful.
Posted by: ace

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So Levin won't be invited as a guest? What does that pay, about $3k? I didn't think he was that hard up for money.

And, after all, people should not be changing their opinions for money.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 01, 2020 12:31 PM (kA3Cp)

134 And whether there are threats by Fox or not, someone already pointed out that you don't publicly call out a fellow employee. I don't have a problem with that, you circle the wagons for your people. (Unless they've done something illegal, of course, but that's not the case here)

Posted by: artemis at October 01, 2020 12:31 PM (AwPyG)

135 Wallace is responsible for my stopping watching FNS. Hectoring and dumb is a bad combination.
Posted by: Captain Hate at October 01, 2020 12:18 PM (y7DUB)

LOL you are far more tolerant than me. Go figure. I gave up on FOX when they sucked McCain off all primary season in 2008. Oh it was miserable.

Posted by: ... at October 01, 2020 12:31 PM (AkiXK)

136 We can tell that Trump did a great job at neutralizing Joe B.'s talking point moments from the fact that the big one the MSM keeps talking about today, the White Supremacy BS, came when Biden had pretty much quit saying anything coherent and the "Debate" was just Chris Wallace shouting left wing talking points at Trump.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 01, 2020 12:31 PM (Kpl3J)

137
The best line I've heard is that The Debate consisted of Two Angry Old Men Shouting, and Trump got in some good lines too.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 01, 2020 12:28 PM (Kpl3J)

My fav is that it was a contentious debate between two ardent supporters of their positions, oh, and Joe Biden was there too.

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 01, 2020 12:32 PM (NgKpN)

138 And I'm disgusted that Tucker Carlson was ordered to not mention his outrageous performance at all.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 01, 2020 12:25 PM (Kpl3J)

Mark Steyn ripped Wallace on Tucker's show. I'm sure he'll be blacklisted now.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 01, 2020 12:32 PM (KV7lx)

139 129 And I also think that there is indeed a MASSIVE "secret Trump" out there, unmeasured by polls.

THe election will be decided by each side's "get out the vote" efforts, not by changing minds.

Posted by: zombie at October 01, 2020 12:22 PM (HEEq1)

==========

Pollsters intentionally modeled this election wrong.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at October 01, 2020 12:32 PM (LvTSG)

140 That look on Chrissy's face, we put that on there. You are welcome.

Posted by: Surprise Anal Rape Otters at October 01, 2020 12:32 PM (pw+jk)

141 wish I could agree with you but, judging from the comments of my lib friends, they saw a even-handed moderator giving no help to either side. At worst, they believe Pissy helped PDT by not cutting him off.

Willfully delusional comes to mind.
Posted by: Tonypete at October 01, 2020 12:20 PM (Rvt8

Lefties are not the general public. They are as brain damaged as Biden.

Posted by: ... at October 01, 2020 12:32 PM (AkiXK)

142 One would hope Tucker has made enough money by now, that he would tell them to f*** off, but I guess he doesn't think so. Still, it would be a hell of a way to start a political campaign. Just sayin'.
Posted by: pep at October 01, 2020 12:30 PM (v16oJ)
*********
Talked on the Phone with a cousin of mine that said Laura Ingraham is worth 70 MILLION ! She doesn't have to work another day in her life & Hedgehog Hannity & Levin I bet everything I own are worth more. Pussy Farts

Posted by: Ghost Of Ruth Buzzi Ginsberg at October 01, 2020 12:32 PM (1Dmt5)

143 And again, Wallace is being praised by a leftwing source (Mediaite here).

There used to be a writer at Mediaite that tried to be more balanced, but I haven't seen his byline in quite a while.

And seeing #NTer Brett Baier being "the calm voice in the room" tells you just how far Fox NEWS has fallen.

Posted by: GnuBreed at October 01, 2020 12:32 PM (Z4rgH)

144 Got our NJ mail-in ballots today. They also included someone who lived here BEFORE the previous owner. Filling it out for Trump is a no brainer, right? I mean, this is what happens when we can't update the rolls right?
Posted by: Dark Helmet at October 01, 2020 12:29 PM (Oka5v)
........

Sign it left handed.

Posted by: wth at October 01, 2020 12:32 PM (v0R5T)

145
All in Fox's tradition of being "fair and balanced" by including kook liberals on all their panels. There are principled liberals or independents like Alan Dershowitz around who could provide informed, intellectually honest debate, but NO -- Fox has to provide career security for the likes of Marie Harf and Donna Brazile, two people who were notorious for their dishonesty or incompetence with media!

Chris found it necessary to forward the kook left's hoaxes about "fine people" and white supremacy. There might be some serious, legit issues out there we could talk about -- but noooo, waste time with tin foil hattery. Yo Chris, why not ask Biden if he will reveal the truth about Area 51?

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at October 01, 2020 12:32 PM (G51Gf)

146 What is the latin phrase for a group of lying dirtbags? Answer: "sixty minutes."

This scumbag is a lying dirtbag, just like his father. He is also probably bi-polar, again, just like his father.

Posted by: VADM Collingwood RN - holding Nelson's rum ration at October 01, 2020 12:32 PM (9X60i)

147 It is absolutely legitimate for the citizenry to defend themselves if the government won't. Anyone who says differently is a tyrant.

Posted by: squid_hunt at October 01, 2020 12:32 PM (S5OQe)

148 He's not very smart. Like almost every one of his colleagues.

And yelling at women, meh, whatever.

And the whole Kenosha argument was stupid, both sides. Facts of the case are pretty simple and known. No "vigilantism". Shooter was not looking for trouble, he was chased and assaulted when he shot.

Passively protecting static locations (businesses) from looting and vandalism is not "vigilantism". Failure of law enforcement, local govt., sure, but not vigilantism.

Police drove by and thanked Rittenhouse group for being there just prior to incidents, threw them water bottles.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 01, 2020 12:32 PM (OTzUX)

149 THe election will be decided by each side's "get out the vote" efforts, not by changing minds.

Posted by: zombie at October 01, 2020 12:22 PM (HEEq1)

____

Like most elections.

Posted by: Asshoes at October 01, 2020 12:33 PM (22mNy)

150 LOL you are far more tolerant than me. Go figure. I
gave up on FOX when they sucked McCain off all primary season in 2008.
Oh it was miserable.

Posted by: ... at October 01, 2020 12:31 PM (AkiXK)+++
For me, it was when they brought Jerry Rivers on board.

Posted by: Old Dude at October 01, 2020 12:33 PM (LGXGf)

151 I specifically didn't watch this debate because of Chris Wallace. Never could stand that smug little bitch.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 01, 2020 12:33 PM (1ISKN)

152 Tweet at the end of the post is amazing.

Posted by: ... at October 01, 2020 12:33 PM (AkiXK)

153 Chris Wallace is, I will speculate confidently, retiring next year.

_________

Press Release from HenHouse News: We are saddened to learn that our beloved and irreplaceable Chris Wallace will be joining Netflix next year to head up their Pedophile Programming Division. He will be missed, but we're sure he will succeed wildly -- and we simply cannot compete with the $100 million offer. Developing ...

Posted by: ShainS at October 01, 2020 12:33 PM (WqPYg)

154 >>>
So Levin won't be invited as a guest? What does that pay, about $3k? I didn't think he was that hard up for money

He has a Sunday show on Fox. Probably wants to keep it.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 01, 2020 12:33 PM (AFSld)

155 Speaking of voting: I'm reasonably certain mom is going to vote for Joe Biden.

I am going to make sure she is able to vote, whether absentee or taking her to the polling station directly.

Anyone think a Biden voter would do the same if their parent was voting Trump?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at October 01, 2020 12:33 PM (WEBkv)

156 If Wallace is let go by Fox News, as a nepot he can always fall back on doing commercials for "Fluffo":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvDebcSHisE

What's that you say? They don't make "Fluffo" anymore?

Well then, he could just make imaginary commercials from his home.

Posted by: Anonymous 7 at October 01, 2020 12:33 PM (FvW9c)

157 OANN ftw.

I have advocated/wished for a deal between OANN and Bill O'Reilly. They could have some real synergy, O'Reilly has his own studio/production company that is already light years ahead on production values.

OANN will need more money, too, to get their own reportage especially overseas and get more viewers. Their news coverage is straight as an arrow, but its bias is in what it covers, and likely the cancel culture would try to get it to die for that alone.

We aren't voting our way out of this.

Posted by: blaster at October 01, 2020 12:33 PM (ZfRYq)

158 149 THe election will be decided by each side's "get out the vote" efforts, not by changing minds.

Posted by: zombie at October 01, 2020 12:22 PM (HEEq1)

____

Like most elections.
Posted by: Asshoes at October 01, 2020 12:33 PM (22mNy)

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"This one" is always the one that breaks all the rules.

And then we find out that it followed all the rules later.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at October 01, 2020 12:33 PM (LvTSG)

159 Why would any self-respecting person abide by those rules? I mean, I know the answer is money, but still.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 01, 2020 12:29 PM (AFSld)
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Hannity isn't gonna make those million dollar alimony payments by painting houses.

Posted by: BluesFish at October 01, 2020 12:34 PM (WQZ1O)

160 The only debate prediction that I got right was that the moderators would help Biden. We all knew that going in.

The last time I watched TV at all was around 2005. Before that, I watched the "Fox Business Block" on Saturday mornings. That was the only Fox TV I ever watched.

Any of you who still watch TV at all might want to consider giving it up. If you have to watch talking heads giving you "news," there's plenty of online THs to choose from, to fit whatever biases you want. With the added advantage that you choose the watching schedule instead of the TV choosing it. TV is mind poison.

Posted by: Bladder Full Of Hot gp at October 01, 2020 12:34 PM (qpX6U)

161 Did something happen to abbapundit over at hotair? He had a favorable Trump headline about gallup poll numbers. Or maybe my eyes are still adjusting to my contacts.

Posted by: Mishdog at October 01, 2020 12:34 PM (xYtIV)

162 Compare it to the largely anonymous people on twitter and utube who are fighting the good fight, despite being de-platformed about every 2 days.
They are legion, ordinary people all over the world. The purest form of the First Amendment.
Hopefully the new-style USSC will take another look at NY Times v Sullivan.

Posted by: artemis at October 01, 2020 12:34 PM (AwPyG)

163 105 I think this is supposedly sad news, but it may actually be a good
sign. John Legend and Chrissy Tiegen (who have been heavily linked to
pedo ring) recently claimed to be pregnant, and today claim they lost
the baby.

====
Did Butterface and the Short Man claim that Trump killed their fake baby?

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at October 01, 2020 12:34 PM (pw+jk)

164 Chris Wallace?

In the end, who is surprised.

A few years ago, Rush Limbaugh took a caller who criticized Wallace for being "rude" when Rush appeared on Fox Sunday Morning.
Rush defended him (Wallace) based on the time constraints of the interview, and the Wallace had to push through in the time slot alloted.

But in the end, Chris Wallace is the son of Mike Wallace. Mike had a long history of being....who he was.

Enough said.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....living on the prison planet at October 01, 2020 12:34 PM (rBdms)

165 134 And whether there are threats by Fox or not, someone already pointed out that you don't publicly call out a fellow employee. I don't have a problem with that, you circle the wagons for your people. (Unless they've done something illegal, of course, but that's not the case here)

Posted by: artemis at October 01, 2020 12:31 PM (AwPyG)

I was being snarky with Runner yesterday evening on this point, but to flesh out the idea - the problem with it is that this thinking is what caused the entire FBI to back up Comey and McCabe and all the rest of the coup plotters. Can't buck the organization, no matter how many shitty things it does. It's just naked self interest masquerading as virtue.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 01, 2020 12:35 PM (Kpl3J)

166 alked on the Phone with a cousin of mine that said Laura Ingraham is
worth 70 MILLION ! She doesn't have to work another day in her life
Hedgehog Hannity Levin I bet everything I own are worth
more.

I suppose they might think they're doing more good where they are. Fox is a big megaphone. Still, I'd like to see Tucker flip off Murdoch's rotten crotch fruit and run for office.

Posted by: pep at October 01, 2020 12:35 PM (v16oJ)

167
Got our NJ mail-in ballots today. They also included someone who lived here BEFORE the previous owner. Filling it out for Trump is a no brainer, right? I mean, this is what happens when we can't update the rolls right?
Posted by: Dark Helmet at October 01, 2020 12:29 PM (Oka5v)
........

Sign it left handed.
Posted by: wth

========

Take off your glasses and sign it. Could have sworn you'd already done it but oh well your memory's not what it was, and you couldn't find your glasses -- hey, who could have ever suspected in a trillion years that it would be the government's fuckup, not yours?

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at October 01, 2020 12:35 PM (G51Gf)

168 161 Did something happen to abbapundit over at hotair? He had a favorable Trump headline about gallup poll numbers. Or maybe my eyes are still adjusting to my contacts.
Posted by: Mishdog at October 01, 2020 12:34 PM (xYtIV)

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I'm pretty sure it's all about how Gallup is wrong because the CBS poll hasn't really moved in six months.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at October 01, 2020 12:35 PM (LvTSG)

169 Interesting you don't hear much about Maddow any more.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 01, 2020 12:35 PM (oVJmc)

170 We can tell that Trump did a great job at
neutralizing Joe B.'s talking point moments from the fact that the big
one the MSM keeps talking about today, the White Supremacy BS, came when
Biden had pretty much quit saying anything coherent and the "Debate"
was just Chris Wallace shouting left wing talking points at Trump.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 01, 2020 12:31 PM (Kpl3J)

Biden became incoherent when he had to speak off the cuff. When he got to use one of his practiced lines he sounded okay. That's why Trump kept disrupting him. If I were Trump, I would go with allowing them to mute the mic's but each side gets to write up a set number of questions that the moderator has to ask the opponent. The questions are delivered once the cameras start rolling.

Posted by: WOPR - Free Kyle Rittenhouse at October 01, 2020 12:35 PM (J70i0)

171
Got our NJ mail-in ballots today. They also included someone who lived
here BEFORE the previous owner. Filling it out for Trump is a no
brainer, right? I mean, this is what happens when we can't update the
rolls right?

Posted by: Dark Helmet at October 01, 2020 12:29 PM (Oka5v)

You mean there are flaws in the left's flawless voting fraud plan?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 01, 2020 12:35 PM (KV7lx)

172 What's odd is in 2016, Wallace was probably the most "fair" moderator, which is probably why he went in the direction he did. His peers approval of him.

Wallace was easily the worst debate moderator I have ever seen, but I can't give Trump a complete pass on that performance purely because of Wallace. It was like Trump had not done a single minute of debate prep, so many time I was yelling answers at the screen, and Trump just was basically filibustering. And when Biden was stumbling on his words, there was Trump ready to interrupt him and throw him a life preserver.

Posted by: Blago at October 01, 2020 12:35 PM (gkdnV)

173 I'm pretty much done with debate talk, unless and until someone comes up with definitive proof Alzheimer Joe was miked and/or drugged.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 01, 2020 12:35 PM (hku12)

174 Copycat shitter defecates on Chris Wallaces driveway. No one notices as the cats and dogs have already laid their praises to rest. Short list for conservative moderator for remaining two debates coming soon.

Posted by: Ray Mota at October 01, 2020 12:35 PM (AVxHd)

175 Anyone think a Biden voter would do the same if their parent was voting Trump?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at October 01, 2020 12:33 PM (WEBkv)

Oh hell no. AND they would probably take her mail-in ballot and vote for Biden to "help" her.

Posted by: Jordan61 at October 01, 2020 12:35 PM (Ez6QX)

176 But in the end, Chris Wallace is the son of Mike Wallace. Mike had a long history of being....who he was.

Enough said.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....living on the prison planet at October 01, 2020 12:34 PM (rBdms)

Chris Wallace is the Tori Spelling of the news business.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 01, 2020 12:35 PM (Kpl3J)

177 Joe Biden and Chris Wallace in . . .

Broke Back Better Mountain

Posted by: tsj017 at October 01, 2020 12:36 PM (n+pza)

178 Its no longer Republicans vs Democrats, its Republicans vs the Media party and their office holding wing, the Democrats. They are intent on stealing our country away, never hesitate for one moment to despise them as much as they despise you.

Posted by: Drew in MO at October 01, 2020 12:36 PM (cGlgB)

179 Ellen is worth over $100M and she begged and pleaded to keep her tv show. It's not about the money it's about the fame and being important. That applies to Ellen, Tucker, Ingraham, and the rest of them.

Posted by: Asshoes at October 01, 2020 12:36 PM (22mNy)

180 I am saying this flatly: they have been warned that their jobs are at risk if they criticize Wallace.

Posted by: ace at October 01, 2020 12:26 PM (PbpT7)

I can't think of anything that makes more sense than that.
Posted by: Captain Hate

In the end, it's the corporate culture.

Corporatism.

It's not about news or the truth. They are marketing something to sell advertising time on their network.
Chris Wallace is part of that marketing of their network.

Literally, it is the bottom line.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....living on the prison planet at October 01, 2020 12:36 PM (rBdms)

181 It is absolutely legitimate for the citizenry to defend themselves if the government won't. Anyone who says differently is a tyrant.
Posted by: squid_hunt at October 01, 2020 12:32 PM (S5OQe)
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Wallace is the kind of person who would order someone else to do the killing so he can keep his hands clean.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at October 01, 2020 12:36 PM (WEBkv)

182 ... OANN will need more money, too, to get their own reportage especially overseas and get more viewers. Their news coverage is straight as an arrow, but its bias is in what it covers, and likely the cancel culture would try to get it to die for that alone. ...
Posted by: blaster at October 01, 2020 12:33 PM (ZfRYq)
++++++++++++
Yeah, this is my take. Their news coverage is straight and the bias is all in selection. And they don't really hide it, which is also fine. I like OANN. As far as the foreign stuff, I don't dislike their approach. They have access to Euronews feeds and often provide them without commentary - just a view of what's happening. It is low rent to be sure, but it isn't actually awful.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 01, 2020 12:36 PM (hYcqw)

183 I don't think that Wallace is reflexively leftist. I do think he hates Trump, and it amazes me that so many otherwise normal people are driven mad by Trump hate.

I mean, I get it, not my guy, but do you have to freak out like that?

I mean, think how much the Horde hated McCain or hates Romney - and yet, our level of vitriol is so much lower.

And we don't have to appear fair and balanced to an audience.

Posted by: blaster at October 01, 2020 12:36 PM (ZfRYq)

184 That Wallace could even mention the ridiculous, outrageous nonsense about "fine people", which was never anything more than a crude, instantly busted lie, pretty much sums up his intelligence and integrity and that of his colleagues (and much of the country).

Didn't watch but if Trump didn't use that as a hook to eviscerate Wallace and the crude mendacity of the press in general, he failed.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 01, 2020 12:36 PM (OTzUX)

185 When did Wallace become the big dick at Fox News? I thought one Oriely left, it was Hume then Bair.

It was never Shep!

Just wondering how Wallace became the primadonna

Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 01, 2020 12:36 PM (emxxF)

186 I've mentioned this before, but my wife truly is undecided. She voted for Trump in 2016. She likes what Trump has done for the most part policy wise.

Posted by: Asshoes at October 01, 2020 12:27 PM (22mNy)
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Please don't take this as a criticism of your wife, but shouldn't this be the only thing that matters?

Posted by: bluebell at October 01, 2020 12:37 PM (/669Q)

187 So Levin won't be invited as a guest? What does that pay, about $3k? I didn't think he was that hard up for money.

And, after all, people should not be changing their opinions for money.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 01, 2020 12:31 PM (kA3Cp)

It's not just money. Levin is reasonably well off because he's the least mercenary of radio talkers and gives away books all the time to callers. I'm thinking it's more about access or something different. Plus he really likes having his Life, Liberty and Levin show.

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 01, 2020 12:37 PM (y7DUB)

188 Interesting you don't hear much about Maddow any more.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles

She is in the final stages of toxoplasmosis. She thinks she is a cat.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....living on the prison planet at October 01, 2020 12:37 PM (rBdms)

189 186 I've mentioned this before, but my wife truly is undecided. She voted for Trump in 2016. She likes what Trump has done for the most part policy wise.

Posted by: Asshoes at October 01, 2020 12:27 PM (22mNy)
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Please don't take this as a criticism of your wife, but shouldn't this be the only thing that matters?

Posted by: bluebell at October 01, 2020 12:37 PM (/669Q)

=========

Trump is a regular dinner guest, it seems.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at October 01, 2020 12:37 PM (LvTSG)

190 I never really watched Fox News, or any of the others.

I've always hated the hollering over each other interrupting thing. I get annoyed and impatient, because nothing is ever resolved. I don't even watch "you gotta see this: Tucker Destroys so-and-so" clips. All it does is agitate me.

Just read the damn news.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Random Quote Generator at October 01, 2020 12:37 PM (xPJvm)

191
If Levin and the others are being ordered not to badmouth Wallace, and they comply, then what does that say about their character? Especially if they continue to stay on for the money.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 01, 2020 12:37 PM (s2VJv)

192 Any of you who still watch TV at all might want to consider giving it up. If you have to watch talking heads giving you "news," there's plenty of online THs to choose from, to fit whatever biases you want. With the added advantage that you choose the watching schedule instead of the TV choosing it. TV is mind poison.
Posted by: Bladder Full Of Hot gp at October 01, 2020 12:34 PM (qpX6U)

I watch Chopped, Everybody Loves Raymond, and Archer. That's about it.

Posted by: Jordan61 at October 01, 2020 12:38 PM (Ez6QX)

193 Wallace has always been a progressive liberal pos.

Posted by: garrett at October 01, 2020 12:38 PM (2LpSm)

194 https://bit.ly/3l3A0BJ
*********
CPD: Commission Leadership

Posted by: Ghost Of Ruth Buzzi Ginsberg at October 01, 2020 12:38 PM (1Dmt5)

195 YOu know how I knew that Wallace would be in the tank for Joey the Pedo?

When Brett Beier and the woman he was on with right before the debate were saying that Wallace was the most fair, unbiased and just bestest moderator in the business.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at October 01, 2020 12:38 PM (pw+jk)

196 "This one" is always the one that breaks all the rules.

And then we find out that it followed all the rules later.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at October 01, 2020 12:33 PM (LvTSG)

__

And "this one" is the most important election of our lifetime.....until the next one which is even more important.

Posted by: Asshoes at October 01, 2020 12:38 PM (22mNy)

197 @147
and the Second Amendment says a "well-regulated militia is necessary to the security of a free State."
So naturally they have to demonize Kyle for doing just that.

Posted by: artemis at October 01, 2020 12:38 PM (AwPyG)

198 60
21 Steve Scully - moderator 2nd Presidential Debate
"While attending college, he served as an intern in the office of Delaware Sen. Joseph R. Biden,"
Rigged system?

Why does the GOP agree to these moderators? This is the height of insanity.

Posted by: Eisenhorn at October 01, 2020 12:21 PM (F6tBH)

Why not two moderators, one picked by each side to ask Q's alternately?
I know too even handed.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at October 01, 2020 12:38 PM (yQqyR)

199 (Levin) has a Sunday show on Fox. Probably wants to keep it.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp

--

Were I financially set, as I believe he is, I would let them know that if they threatened me, I would expose their threats publicly.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 01, 2020 12:38 PM (kA3Cp)

200
I'm pretty much done with debate talk, unless and until someone comes up
with definitive proof Alzheimer Joe was miked and/or drugged.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 01, 2020 12:35 PM (hku12)

Um, you did see Biden's eyes? He was on the happy drugs.

Posted by: WOPR - Free Kyle Rittenhouse at October 01, 2020 12:38 PM (J70i0)

201 And she really doesn't know what she'll do. I think most likely she just doesn't vote for president.

Posted by: Asshoes at October 01, 2020 12:27 PM (22mNy)

My wife has already announced that she can't vote for either of them. But she was a Biden vote in the D primary, so that's one lost to the Biden camp. His feebleness of late is what has turned her sour on him.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at October 01, 2020 12:38 PM (jK8Z7)

202 "There is no justification for what happened in Kenosha, and vigilante justice is a crime and should be punished as a crime."

Too vague ... intentionally vague, to drive the fact free narrative. What exactly "happened in Kenosha"?

BLM and Antifa violence and thugs attacking innocent people and destroying businesses. That is "what happened in Kenosha".

But Wallace can't make that true statement, he has a lie to sell. So he uses blurry meme language ... which is meant to evoke thoughts of "white supremacist vigilante murdering innocent protesters". That is The Narrative driven by media 24/7, so Wallace can effectively reference the narrative lie with the blurry line "what happened in Kenosha".

"Trump/Russia" ... same thing ... these are PsyOps, well planned and coordinated. Psychological Weapons ... meme warfare, but backed by an army of trolls and media, not to mention billions in corporate donations and Google/FB control of speech. (Kyle's lawyer gets cut off from Twitter, FB blocks Rittenhouse comments, etc.)

Posted by: illiniwek at October 01, 2020 12:38 PM (Cus5s)

203 His master, the Father of Lies, is well pleased with this servant.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at October 01, 2020 12:38 PM (3Mvdr)

204 Let me know when he is fired.

What Fox is doing is participating in the coup to overthrow the American republic.

Fox is GOPe.

GOPe's number 1 priority is to eliminate or at least discredit and neutralize PDT and to make sure that the base never again has a choice outside of their approved stable of bought-and-paid-for backstabber puppets.

GOPe and its Dem allies aim to eliminate the possibility of an independent candidate ever using the internet to run outside of the party system. Which in almost all cases would also include internet fundraising for a non-party candidate. When they say NeverTrump that is what they mean. Never-anyone-the-base-would-knowingly-support Again. Ever.

Posted by: Gilded at October 01, 2020 12:39 PM (BRkq2)

205 Just wondering how Wallace became the primadonna

Posted by: AlaBAMA

The Murdoch boys like his politics.

Posted by: pep at October 01, 2020 12:39 PM (v16oJ)

206 I think the last election was probably the most important one in our lifetimes.

Posted by: artemis at October 01, 2020 12:39 PM (AwPyG)

207 197 @147
and the Second Amendment says a "well-regulated militia is necessary to the security of a free State."
So naturally they have to demonize Kyle for doing just that.
Posted by: artemis at October 01, 2020 12:38 PM (AwPyG)

==========

"He wasn't actually part of a militia, so it doesn't count. Also, if he was part of a militia he'd be even worse."
-The Left

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at October 01, 2020 12:39 PM (LvTSG)

208 >>If Levin and the others are being ordered not to badmouth Wallace, and they comply, then what does that say about their character? Especially if they continue to stay on for the money.

Theat they are no better than the FBI agents and Federal Employees who refuse to stand up and name names.

Posted by: garrett at October 01, 2020 12:39 PM (2LpSm)

209 Broke Back Better Mountain
Posted by: tsj017 at October 01, 2020 12:36 PM (n+pza)

Well done!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 01, 2020 12:39 PM (WkPC9)

210 182 ... OANN will need more money, too, to get their own reportage especially overseas and get more viewers. Their news coverage is straight as an arrow, but its bias is in what it covers, and likely the cancel culture would try to get it to die for that alone. ...
Posted by: blaster at October 01, 2020 12:33 PM (ZfRYq)
++++++++++++
Yeah, this is my take. Their news coverage is straight and the bias is all in selection. And they don't really hide it, which is also fine. I like OANN. As far as the foreign stuff, I don't dislike their approach. They have access to Euronews feeds and often provide them without commentary - just a view of what's happening. It is low rent to be sure, but it isn't actually awful.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 01, 2020 12:36 PM (hYcqw)

And is more than offset by the presence of Chanel Rion.

Posted by: josephistan at October 01, 2020 12:39 PM (Izzlo)

211 169 Interesting you don't hear much about Maddow any more.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 01, 2020 12:35 PM (oVJmc)

no one watches that channel except a handful of diehard libs. Just this morning someone published a clip from MSNBC of some guest, former government official, wanting their to be a "commission" that would formally approve those who were allowed to run for President, so that no one like Trump could ever be allowed to run again. Basically the same system that Russia and Byelorussia have.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 01, 2020 12:39 PM (Kpl3J)

212 "Do you promise not to tweet that you won" is both a telegraph of their strategy (which everyone knows anyway) and a concession they are fucked.

If Trump was truly unpopular and losing, the question would have been far more condescending. I know how the Left operates.

Here they sound like a Charles Dickens character. "Sir. Please don't tweet that you won, sir. And could I please have a tuppence for some porridge please."

Posted by: ... at October 01, 2020 12:39 PM (AkiXK)

213 defending yourself is not vigilantism.

Posted by: Archer at October 01, 2020 12:39 PM (gmo/4)

214 Imagine having an honest fair moderator at a presidential debate. Pretty sure that's never happened.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 01, 2020

*
*

Who moderated JFK vs. Nixon?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 01, 2020

*
*

I looked it up. Howard K. Smith of ABC News was the moderator. And several of the stories don't mention him at all -- suggesting he did not make himself part of the battle like Crowley and Wallace.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 01, 2020 12:39 PM (Ejm1K)

215 Posted by: Asshoes at October 01, 2020 12:27 PM (22mNy)

tell your wife that probably Trump is "on the soecyrum" and can't help it

then she can feel compassionate about overlooking his disability

Posted by: vmom 2020 - Grow Up and Vote for Trump by Eddie Scarry at October 01, 2020 12:39 PM (nUhF0)

216 I have advocated/wished for a deal between OANN and
Bill O'Reilly. They could have some real synergy, O'Reilly has his own
studio/production company that is already light years ahead on
production values.

OANN will need more money, too, to get their own reportage
especially overseas and get more viewers. Their news coverage is
straight as an arrow, but its bias is in what it covers, and likely the
cancel culture would try to get it to die for that alone.

We aren't voting our way out of this.

Posted by: blaster at October 01, 2020 12:33 PM (ZfRYq)

O'Reilly has a show on The First which is on Pluto TV and youtube.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 01, 2020 12:39 PM (KV7lx)

217 I definitely think he will retire next year, maybe sooner. It was evident by some of the tweets from his colleagues at FNC that they aren't fans... at all.

Posted by: redridinghood at October 01, 2020 12:39 PM (+YYKs)

218 CDNN has a good sale today on AR 15 uppers and lowers.

Not pre-Wuhan prices, but good enough.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Mostly Peaceful, Free WA, Buy Ammo at October 01, 2020 12:39 PM (lLlsv)

219 Zombie, I think the fact that significantly fewer people watched this debate suggests you're right-- there's very few undecideds.

No reason to watch if you:
1) Don't care who wins
2) don't like Trump but aren't voting for Biden

Posted by: RoyalOil at October 01, 2020 12:39 PM (xGp48)

220 127 Re: Biden's Intern as debate Moderator

The GOP still operates as if this isn't war and one side isn't trying to literally kill the other and destroy the republic for good.

It's a weird bit of cluelessness best explained by the assumption they are not against any of that.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 01, 2020 12:30 PM (emxxF)

I place this casting abomination squarely at the feet of RNC Chair Ronna (Romney) McDaniel.

She was proud of the Romney connection when she became Chair, but now that the name is radioactive with the base she dropped it.

I looked up Scully's bio on Wikipedia a couple of weeks back and saw that intern tidbit in the first few paragraphs. It's criminal incompetence of the first order to let him slide as a moderator - you're asking for Stephanopoulos moderating a GOP debate (!!) in 2012 all over again.

This is why I haven't given to the RNC in years and years, and plan never to do so again.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 01, 2020 12:40 PM (6xA3t)

221 they've all been told they cannot criticize Wallace.

That is dumb. And frustrating. And frustratingly dumb.

Wallace was not an umpire up in a chair, he was an active participant. His presence was felt as keenly as those of the debaters.

So we get a whole next day of coverage of what was supposed to be a super important event and they leave out a huge part of the story.

Even Gutfeld and TuCa, each of whom I thought was a spine-bearing creature.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 01, 2020 12:40 PM (wzVKm)

222 104 71 I seriously doubt that there is even ONE single truly "undecided" voter out there.

_

I've mentioned this before, but my wife truly is undecided. She voted for Trump in 2016. She likes what Trump has done for the most part policy wise. But she hates Trump as a person, hates that he says (in her words) all sorts of crazy shit and thinks he is literally insane. But she also doesn't want higher taxes and also thinks Biden looks like a tired old man who is not quite all there.

And she really doesn't know what she'll do. I think most likely she just doesn't vote for president.

Posted by: Asshoes at October 01, 2020 12:27 PM (22mNy)
________

My experience too. Well, Mrs Eeyore has bitten the bullet, and will vote for Trump. But she really can't stand him; it's just Biden and the Ds are worse.

And I've seen that in other women. It is a problem for us.

Posted by: Eeyore at October 01, 2020 12:40 PM (7X3UV)

223 189 186 I've mentioned this before, but my wife truly is undecided. She voted for Trump in 2016. She likes what Trump has done for the most part policy wise.

Posted by: Asshoes at October 01, 2020 12:27 PM (22mNy)
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Please don't take this as a criticism of your wife, but shouldn't this be the only thing that matters?

Posted by: bluebell at October 01, 2020 12:37 PM (/669Q)

___

My wife is not political. She is pretty LIVish. Kinda pays attention around election time and gets most of her info from Facebook. I gave up long ago trying to school her because it always ended up with me being frustrated and her getting mad at me. She has her views and I let her be.

Posted by: Asshoes at October 01, 2020 12:40 PM (22mNy)

224 200
I'm pretty much done with debate talk, unless and until someone comes up
with definitive proof Alzheimer Joe was miked and/or drugged.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 01, 2020 12:35 PM (hku12)

Um, you did see Biden's eyes? He was on the happy drugs.
Posted by: WOPR - Free Kyle Rittenhouse at October 01, 2020 12:38 PM (J70i0)

Have you seen the pictures of the wires?

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at October 01, 2020 12:40 PM (jK8Z7)

225 I wonder if Kilmeade had pissy on his radio show today? Always seemed like once a week he would come in Brian's show, talk about who he was interviewing on Sunday. From some reason I was thinking it was in Thursday's, but I really don't know.

Posted by: swingin' for the downs at October 01, 2020 12:40 PM (t+7Up)

226 Growth Drug for Dwarfism

This is Ace's lead in the sidebar.
Could this be a tale...tell...tail?

Posted by: Diogenes at October 01, 2020 12:41 PM (axyOa)

227 You never see Tooter Turtle and Chris Wallace at the same party.

Just sayin

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at October 01, 2020 12:41 PM (pw+jk)

228 My wife has already announced that she can't vote for either of them. But she was a Biden vote in the D primary, so that's one lost to the Biden camp. His feebleness of late is what has turned her sour on him.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at October 01, 2020 12:38 PM (jK8Z7)

I think a lot of people are going to stay home this cycle. And I hate to say that's probably good for our side, but it is.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 01, 2020 12:41 PM (Kpl3J)

229 >>If Levin and the others are being ordered not to badmouth Wallace, and they comply, then what does that say about their character? Especially if they continue to stay on for the money.

Exactly. I like Levin and Bongino, but their lack of criticism of Wallace makes them look very weak.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 01, 2020 12:41 PM (AFSld)

230 It is absolutely legitimate for the citizenry to defend themselves if the government won't. Anyone who says differently is a tyrant.

Posted by: squid_hunt at October 01, 2020 12:32 PM (S5OQe)

I'm beginning to like this guy.

Posted by: GnuBreed at October 01, 2020 12:41 PM (Z4rgH)

231 And is more than offset by the presence of Chanel Rion.
Posted by: josephistan at October 01, 2020 12:39 PM (Izzlo)
+++++++++
Chanel is smokin', don't get me wrong, but they also have Lilia Fifield...
https://tinyurl.com/yylefdeq

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 01, 2020 12:41 PM (hYcqw)

232 Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 01, 2020 12:40 PM (6xA3t)

Does Trump ever have to take the blame for anything?

Posted by: Green River Killer at October 01, 2020 12:41 PM (2DOZq)

233 Picture: perfect!

Posted by: Gaelic Girl at October 01, 2020 12:41 PM (5FCda)

234 I don't think that Wallace is reflexively leftist. I do think he hates Trump, and it amazes me that so many otherwise normal people are driven mad by Trump hate.

I mean, I get it, not my guy, but do you have to freak out like that?

I mean, think how much the Horde hated McCain or hates Romney - and yet, our level of vitriol is so much lower.

And we don't have to appear fair and balanced to an audience.
Posted by: blaster

_______________

It's crazy to me that people will discard everything they believe in just to tweak Trump.

I can completely understand not liking him, but I'm not going to change my ideology over someone I dislike on a personal level.

Posted by: Blago at October 01, 2020 12:41 PM (gkdnV)

235 Extremely well done, ace. Even if Fox shitcans Wallace tomorrow, it is hard to see how it recovers. I noticed Wallace has come today out against muting Trump's mic or putting a shock collar on him or whatever, but that is just an attempt to save his sorry ass. He's done.

The man is stupid as well as a mendacious Deep State tool (like Fox itself is). My moment with him came in an unrelated moment when he held forth that the FBI "doesn't play softball" as some sort of defense of its corruption and misbehavior. It was the beginning of the end of my Fox viewing.

The only Fox I watch now is TuCa. I started to get pissed at him last night for not addressing Wallace's blatant election interference, but at the end he put on Mark Steyn who flailed Fox's fading star. Good on Tucker.

The raison d'etre for Fox was it served as a non-left-wing news alternative. That's gone now, and I may buy some OAN shares just because something will fill the void unless a Harris presidency starts clamping down even more on alternative outlets.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat (Joe Biden Didn't Kill Himself at October 01, 2020 12:41 PM (puu6v)

236 I think the last election was probably the most important one in our lifetimes.
Posted by: artemis at October 01, 2020 12:39 PM (AwPyG)

Lot to unpack here. It's true.

Posted by: ... at October 01, 2020 12:41 PM (AkiXK)

237 228 My wife has already announced that she can't vote for either of them. But she was a Biden vote in the D primary, so that's one lost to the Biden camp. His feebleness of late is what has turned her sour on him.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at October 01, 2020 12:38 PM (jK8Z7)

I think a lot of people are going to stay home this cycle. And I hate to say that's probably good for our side, but it is.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 01, 2020 12:41 PM (Kpl3J)

==========

"Trump won re-election with only 30% of American voting for him! That means his presidency is illegitimate and the NYT editorial board should become president instead!"
-The Left

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at October 01, 2020 12:42 PM (LvTSG)

238 What I don't get is how these people can not see that they have more hand than Fox News.

Tucker, Laura, Hannity, Levin, Guttfeld, Waters...

These people stand up and force Fox to fire them and Fox goes under.

Posted by: garrett at October 01, 2020 12:42 PM (2LpSm)

239 GOPe doesn't want to calmly refute the Dem lies with evidence (it would not be difficult) and to speak in plain language about the coup. They know what happened. Some of them probably knew at the time.

GOPe is the junior partner in the coup.

GOPe wants and needs the Dems to scare you into voting for some piece of sh!t COC/China bribe eating backstabber.

I'm over these beotches.

Posted by: Gilded at October 01, 2020 12:42 PM (BRkq2)

240 We should have Kayleigh be a moderator.

Posted by: Eeyore at October 01, 2020 12:42 PM (7X3UV)

241 My wife is not political. She is pretty LIVish. Kinda pays attention around election time and gets most of her info from Facebook. I gave up long ago trying to school her because it always ended up with me being frustrated and her getting mad at me. She has her views and I let her be.
Posted by: Asshoes at October 01, 2020 12:40 PM (22mNy)

Likewise for the most part. My wife acknowledges that Trump has been great in his actions, but his words and manner just put her off, and she won't vote for him.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at October 01, 2020 12:42 PM (jK8Z7)

242 Fox is getting pretty indistinguishable from all the rest. Save Tucker, Hannity, Ingraham, Levin. When the Murdoch spawn had the network turned over to them, the decline began in earnest. No surprise.

Catch Fox's new fall lineup! "Election Headquarters with Tommy Veitor!" "Know the Candidates with Ezekiel Emmanuel!" And "Alan Grayson's Truth Hour!" Check your local listings for showtimes.

Posted by: Lady in Black, for real at October 01, 2020 12:42 PM (O+I8R)

243 "Trump won re-election with only 30% of American voting for him! That means his presidency is illegitimate and the NYT editorial board should become president instead!"
-The Left
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at October 01, 2020 12:42 PM (LvTSG)
+++++++++++
Just like Clinton, then, eh ...

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 01, 2020 12:42 PM (hYcqw)

244 My experience too. Well, Mrs Eeyore has bitten the bullet, and will vote for Trump. But she really can't stand him; it's just Biden and the Ds are worse.

And I've seen that in other women. It is a problem for us.
Posted by: Eeyore at October 01, 2020 12:40 PM (7X3UV)

___

As much as we hate it, and often hate to admit it, women voters react to emotion more than facts. Trump is "mean" and that is a turn off to a women voters.

Obviously not ALL women voters, but enough to make a difference.

Posted by: Asshoes at October 01, 2020 12:42 PM (22mNy)

245 And she really doesn't know what she'll do. I think most likely she just doesn't vote for president.

Posted by: Asshoes at October 01, 2020 12:27 PM (22mNy)

So you haven't told her that the family votes as a block and as head of the household, you have decided? You might mention that if she votes for Joe and he wins, her things are getting the budget axe first.

Posted by: WOPR - Free Kyle Rittenhouse at October 01, 2020 12:42 PM (J70i0)

246 Chris Wallace got Trump elected with his performance as debate moderator in 2016.
He took his cues from Aaron Sorkin and The West Wing episode "Game On", where the President wins his debate by challenging his opponent to give more than a ten second answer. Of course in Sorkin world Republicans are too dumb to go deep into discussions.

Chris Wallace announced he was going to go deep into each topic, thinking he would expose Trump as incompetent.
Instead, Trump got to spend the opening half hour discussing abortion and gun control, and won Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin, nearly Minnesota.

Posted by: MikeN at October 01, 2020 12:43 PM (3G2Nq)

247 Chris Wallace is super sad that violent child rapist Joey Rosenbaum was righteously killed.

Well, the tribe has to stick together.

Posted by: trev006 at October 01, 2020 12:43 PM (0rZTD)

248 As the old saying goes, money ruins everything. From sports to journalism, once it became a job where you can make millions, you became a whore who can be controlled.

That's why there is no mention of Wallace by the other 'journalists'. Protect the payday.

Journalism isn't a foundational aspect of America anymore. It's infotainment, homogenized and watered down for the public.

And everyone who pays along just hopes the next guy will make a stand because they can't afford to lose the millions. That house in the Hampton's and those sweet parties are too much to lose.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 01, 2020 12:43 PM (emxxF)

249 I bet you are!

@seanmdav

Fox News: 'We're Extremely Proud' of Chris Wallace's Debate Performance

https://tinyurl.com/y4bzeftd

Posted by: Tami at October 01, 2020 12:43 PM (cF8AT)

250 My wife is not political. She is pretty LIVish. Kinda pays attention around election time and gets most of her info from Facebook. I gave up long ago trying to school her because it always ended up with me being frustrated and her getting mad at me. She has her views and I let her be.
Posted by: Asshoes at October 01, 2020 12:40 PM (22mNy)

My wife is rather like that - but she Hates, Hates, Hates! the order to wear the masks, and she hates anyone who tells her she has to wear the mask. So she hates ALL of the Democrats right now, and Gov. Abbott, too.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 01, 2020 12:43 PM (Kpl3J)

251 From 10/11/1992:

The poll, taken for Newsweek on Thursday and Friday, found the Democrat leading with 44 percent to 35 percent for Mr. Bush and 12 percent for Ross Perot.
---
Weird how that's exactly how much Biden leads today with exactly none of the Clinton energy or charisma.

Posted by: RoyalOil at October 01, 2020 12:43 PM (xGp48)

252 sorry for yelling, but then WHY THE FUCK DID TEAM TRUMP AGREE TO WALLACE IN THE FUCKING FIRST FUCKING PLACE???

Posted by: Head S. Cratcher at October 01, 2020 12:43 PM (D+5jX)

253 Wallace is the kind of person who would order someone else to do the killing so he can keep his hands clean.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at October 01, 2020 12:36 PM (WEBkv)

I don't think his type orders anything. He's a file clerk in the Nazi Party outpost in Hamburg. His uniform only ever gets dirty when he spills a little mustard on it.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 01, 2020 12:43 PM (hku12)

254 The question that haunts me where media partisans like Wallace are concerned is if they really believe their own bullshit; that is, do they really consciously strive for that authoritarian socialist superstate they see as Utopia or do they know it's all a sham and a scam, a power-for-its-own-sake attempt to establish a rule of the elite few?

Wordy, I know, but true believers are more dangerous to the Republican than a pack of greedy sociopaths.

Posted by: troyriser at October 01, 2020 12:44 PM (OLtrr)

255 12 Hey, remember before the dabate how Chris Wallace announced that he would be "invisible?"

Bet he is pissed that Trump forced him to get involved by refusing to play along with the Wallace-Biden campaign script.

Also, saw mentioned on twitter: Wallace's list of topics did not include climate change. Why did he have prepared questions about that then? Why did Biden have prepared answers?
Posted by: Lizzy at October 01, 2020 12:15 PM (bDqIh)

This is why I think Trump's decision to body slam both Wallace and the other guy Biden was a wise choice. It was supposed to be incredibly scripted, with snippets in DNC commercials of Trump denying he is racist, Trump denying climate change, Trump defending his Covid response, etc., etc. Trump fucked that up and fucked that up good.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat (Joe Biden Didn't Kill Himself at October 01, 2020 12:44 PM (puu6v)

256 "Okay, let's tone it down."

This pretense of manners and civility forms the standby admonition of the ruling class when confronted with their lies and smears.

They can lie and slander through their fucking teeth in modes of pious high-mindedness but as soon as a challenge arises in their presence, you must "tone it down," aka shut up.

And this is invariably when conservatives fail. We do shut up. The answer of course is not to only to not tone it down, but to tone it UP. Get in their faces.

I once again refer to the clip of the father of the girl shot at Parkland High School who did get in Chris Wallace's face. And guess what. Wallace crumpled.

Posted by: Ordinary American at October 01, 2020 12:44 PM (H8QX8)

257 Wallace is pinko commie scum or he is the ultimate go along to get along.

I'm plenty sure there are people that reflexively hate Trump personally (I know some) but to assume it's personal when there a millions at stake, cocktail parties, book deals, personal favors, pizza, pasta, cheese and God only knows what else on hand... is a little naive.

Posted by: ... at October 01, 2020 12:44 PM (AkiXK)

258 @165
Note disclaimer about "anything illegal"
Mainly because if the employee is doing something illegal, and the company ratifies it, everybody's going down :0

Posted by: artemis at October 01, 2020 12:45 PM (AwPyG)

259 Does Trump ever have to take the blame for anything?
Posted by: Green River Killer at October 01, 2020 12:41 PM (2DOZq)

--

Did Obama?

Posted by: Lady in Black, for real at October 01, 2020 12:45 PM (O+I8R)

260 Even the Fox News make-up artists missing and presumed dead after falling into a sweaty, sticky, scabby, pustulant fold of my quarantine fat while trying to apply make-up to my grubby unwashed quarantine face and my greasy unwashed quarantine beard ought to be able to see that these shrieking far-right nationalist cows Mollie Hemingway and Katie Pavlich have no place on a national cable news show alongside a journalist of such stature as centrist unity moderator Chris Wallace or for that matter a centrist unity commentator of such stature as myself.

Especially that insolent Mollie!

Posted by: Jonah Goldberg at October 01, 2020 12:45 PM (3MIHG)

261 "Especially if they continue to stay on for the money."

That's the thing. To earn income in today's #woke totalitarian prison camp, you have to mouth the regnant lies, or at least keep your mouth shut. The only people who can speak out against it are the retirees like me, the essential tradesmen like roofers and plumbers, and the independently wealthy. And even we run the risk of becoming social outcasts for speaking out, if not destitute.

It's a gulag without fences, walls, tundra or armed guards.

Posted by: Bladder Full Of Hot gp at October 01, 2020 12:45 PM (qpX6U)

262 Speaking of voting: I'm reasonably certain mom is going to vote for Joe Biden.

I am going to make sure she is able to vote, whether absentee or taking her to the polling station directly.

Anyone think a Biden voter would do the same if their parent was voting Trump?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at October 01, 2020 12:33 PM (WEBkv)

I wouldn't, and that is honest. I'd lose the motherfuckin' car keys for a day, and slip out on a key rescue mission to vote in person myself.

Nothing personal, Mom, but you're an idiot.

Posted by: GnuBreed at October 01, 2020 12:45 PM (Z4rgH)

263 Sounds like a lot of wives here think the same, lol. We should start a support group.

Posted by: Asshoes at October 01, 2020 12:45 PM (22mNy)

264 "...to the Republic", I mean.

Posted by: troyriser at October 01, 2020 12:45 PM (OLtrr)

265 sorry for yelling, but then WHY THE FUCK DID TEAM TRUMP AGREE TO WALLACE IN THE FUCKING FIRST FUCKING PLACE???
Posted by: Head S. Cratcher at October 01, 2020 12:43 PM (D+5jX)
+++++++++++
My guess? Because debate moderators - according to the rules of the NGO that organizes the debates - must come from major media outlets. As a result, there is no such thing as a good moderator and the outcome will be some variant of the same theme no matter what. In other words, it doesn't matter who the moderator is and so you might as well just accept someone who isn't the worst option - and Wallace is (somehow) not the worst option.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 01, 2020 12:45 PM (hYcqw)

266 If you have to choose between watching Fox or the kneeling portions only of every NFL game, choose the kneeling.

Maybe you can change from channel to channel and watch kneeling all day long.

Posted by: Gilded at October 01, 2020 12:45 PM (BRkq2)

267 Exactly. I like Levin and Bongino, but their lack of criticism of Wallace makes them look very weak.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 01, 2020 12:41 PM (AFSld)

Sooner or later they have to address this to their core audience because, unfairly or not, it's an outlying point that undermines their personae.

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 01, 2020 12:45 PM (y7DUB)

268 "Tillman42
@vwheels316
22h
Replying to
@Will_of_Ockham
Chris Wallace is the Joy Behar of Eric Swallwells."

not altogether sure what that actually means but it's clearly meant as an insult, so good enough for me.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at October 01, 2020 12:46 PM (3Mvdr)

269
Exactly. I like Levin and Bongino, but their lack of criticism of Wallace makes them look very weak.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 01, 2020 12:41 PM (AFSld)

Hannity too.

Posted by: Rioting Genius at October 01, 2020 12:46 PM (PtOP4)

270 "He wasn't actually part of a militia, so it doesn't count. Also, if he was part of a militia he'd be even worse."
-The Left
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at October 01, 2020 12:39 PM (LvTSG)

Last I looked, current Federal Law, the Militia is all able bodied Men from 17 to 42, Women in the Military, and Military Vets to the age of 64.

Kyle was Able Bodied, and 17.

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 01, 2020 12:46 PM (NgKpN)

271 Were I financially set, as I believe he is, I would
let them know that if they threatened me, I would expose their threats
publicly.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 01, 2020 12:38 PM (kA3Cp)

If I was that financially set I would already have a merc army with south african names wrecking their houses, drinking their booze and defiling their women.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at October 01, 2020 12:46 PM (9Om/r)

272 I think a lot of people are going to stay home this cycle. And I hate to say that's probably good for our side, but it is.
---

Democrat voters have outnumbered Americans for a long time. The only thing that keeps the project going is that they are lazy and easily discouraged.

Posted by: Methos at October 01, 2020 12:46 PM (kOpft)

273
The question that haunts me where media partisans like Wallace are concerned is if they really believe their own bullshit

Posted by: troyriser

========

That's my question, too. I'd have narrowed my eyes at him from that podium and asked if he actually was dumb enough to believe the "fine people" hoax, which is bogus ON ITS FACE.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at October 01, 2020 12:47 PM (G51Gf)

274 My wife makes most of you sound like a cross between AOC and Pol Pot. Or just AOC.

Posted by: ... at October 01, 2020 12:47 PM (AkiXK)

275 129
And I also think that there is indeed a MASSIVE "secret Trump" out there, unmeasured by polls.

THe election will be decided by each side's "get out the vote" efforts, not by changing minds.

Posted by: zombie at October 01, 2020 12:22 PM (HEEq1)

This!! When you have armies of brown shirts out there violently shouting down opponents and beating them in the heads with bikes locks and just plain executions. You learn to keep you head down.
That's why all the marxists out their pull the "silence is violence" claptrap and then try to cancel you for not clapping for the chairman loudly and long enough.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at October 01, 2020 12:47 PM (yQqyR)

276 "That Wallace could even mention the ridiculous, outrageous nonsense
about "fine people", which was never anything more than a crude,
instantly busted lie, pretty much sums up his intelligence and integrity"

He (surely) knows it is a lie ... BUT it is still a useful MEME. It is like "Coke is the Real Thing". They invested a lot of effort pushing/developing the meme as PROOF that Trump supports White Supremacists. The use of the phrase gets the desired Pavlovian response, from any the routinely get (Pavlovian style) "training" via repetition of the certain MEME in media. "Trump call white supremacists fine people" is a lie, that still has a lot of cache.

That is why they still repeat the Trump/Russia lie (not sure what exact phrase is used on that one) ... they are still Driving the Narrative (the Meme). It still evokes the Pavlovian drool of Hate response, it is at the subconscious level. It takes counter "training" to remove it.

Posted by: illiniwek at October 01, 2020 12:48 PM (Cus5s)

277 If Fox has publicly defend Wallace's performance, they already lost.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 01, 2020 12:48 PM (emxxF)

278 Sounds like a lot of wives here think the same, lol. We should start a support group.
Posted by: Asshoes at October 01, 2020 12:45 PM (22mNy)

Identifying flaws that are easier to live with than try to change helps make a marriage work.

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 01, 2020 12:48 PM (y7DUB)

279 En fuego!

Posted by: That Guy who shouts "En fuego!" at October 01, 2020 12:48 PM (DMUuz)

280 My wife is rather like that - but she Hates, Hates, Hates! the order to wear the masks, and she hates anyone who tells her she has to wear the mask. So she hates ALL of the Democrats right now, and Gov. Abbott, too.
Posted by: Tom Servo

_____________

If I was Trump, I'd go all in on getting America back to normal and Biden is the guy for rolling lockdowns.

I'm telling you, parents are pissed school is not back to normal and I'm sure working class people forced to wear a mask all day at work hate it. White collar people don't care as much, they work virtually at home.

I feel like if Trump tries to have it both ways, he'll lose.

Posted by: Blago at October 01, 2020 12:48 PM (gkdnV)

281 There were people protesting lockdowns in Quebec, waving American flags, Trump 2020 signs and cheering USA.

One guy there said if he was American, he'd crawl miles across broken glass to vote for Trump. Let me find the link.

Here you go. Quebecers for Trump because...2020.

https://tinyurl.com/y5bs2ypw

Trump landslide.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at October 01, 2020 12:48 PM (v2c9/)

282 274 My wife makes most of you sound like a cross between AOC and Pol Pot. Or just AOC.
Posted by: ... at October 01, 2020 12:47 PM (AkiXK)

She's younger and more attractive than me. And stupider.

Posted by: Jordan61 at October 01, 2020 12:48 PM (Ez6QX)

283 266 If you have to choose between watching Fox or the kneeling portions only of every NFL game, choose the kneeling.

Maybe you can change from channel to channel and watch kneeling all day long.
Posted by: Gilded at October 01, 2020 12:45 PM (BRkq2)

---

I'd rather just not turn the TV on at all.

Posted by: SMH at October 01, 2020 12:49 PM (RU4sa)

284 269
Exactly. I like Levin and Bongino, but their lack of criticism of Wallace makes them look very weak.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 01, 2020 12:41 PM (AFSld)

Hannity too.
Posted by: Rioting Genius at October 01, 2020 12:46 PM (PtOP4)

Hannity is the WORST suck up. Even Rush Limbaugh has disgraced himself by sucking up to Wallace.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat (Joe Biden Didn't Kill Himself at October 01, 2020 12:49 PM (puu6v)

285 248 As the old saying goes, money ruins everything. From sports to journalism, once it became a job where you can make millions, you became a whore who can be controlled.

That's why there is no mention of Wallace by the other 'journalists'. Protect the payday.

Journalism isn't a foundational aspect of America anymore. It's infotainment, homogenized and watered down for the public.

And everyone who pays along just hopes the next guy will make a stand because they can't afford to lose the millions. That house in the Hampton's and those sweet parties are too much to lose.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 01, 2020 12:43 PM (emxxF)

I think we all realize what this means; "journalism" has become so heavily corrupted by these influences that no one with a Public Name or outlet can ever be trusted or counted on to tell the complete truth.

The only ones who can dare are people like those of us here, who because of the venue are shielded from personal reprisals because of what we may say.

in other words, there's more truth to be found here than in any broadcast outlet you will ever find. They aren't allowed to do it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 01, 2020 12:49 PM (Kpl3J)

286 So you haven't told her that the family votes as a block and as head of the household, you have decided? You might mention that if she votes for Joe and he wins, her things are getting the budget axe first.
Posted by: WOPR - Free Kyle Rittenhouse at October 01, 2020 12:42 PM (J70i0)

Reminds me of the "All in the Family" episode where Archie found out that Edith canceled out his vote.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at October 01, 2020 12:49 PM (jK8Z7)

287 >>> If Fox has publicly defend Wallace's performance, they already lost.
~~~~~

More than defend it, they praised it.

Posted by: IrishEi at October 01, 2020 12:49 PM (sGotD)

288 Identifying flaws that are easier to live with than try to change helps make a marriage work.
Posted by: Captain Hate

yep

Posted by: vmom 2020 - Grow Up and Vote for Trump by Eddie Scarry at October 01, 2020 12:49 PM (nUhF0)

289 265 sorry for yelling, but then WHY THE FUCK DID TEAM TRUMP AGREE TO WALLACE IN THE FUCKING FIRST FUCKING PLACE???
Posted by: Head S. Cratcher at October 01, 2020 12:43 PM (D+5jX)

I don't know if Trump "won" or "lost" the debate. It's beyond my reckoning.

But I do know that was ridiculous and inexcusable to give Chris Wallace that platform of power, that opportunity, to lord over their debate.

Posted by: Ordinary American at October 01, 2020 12:49 PM (H8QX8)

290 270
"He wasn't actually part of a militia, so it doesn't count. Also, if he was part of a militia he'd be even worse."

-The Left

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at October 01, 2020 12:39 PM (LvTSG)

Last I looked, current Federal Law, the Militia is all able bodied
Men from 17 to 42, Women in the Military, and Military Vets to the age
of 64.

Kyle was Able Bodied, and 17.

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 01, 2020 12:46 PM (NgKpN)

Funny how they don't count the self described and named Antifa groups as "dangerous militias". Nope they are mostly peaceful protesters

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at October 01, 2020 12:49 PM (yQqyR)

291 My guess is Wallace is very much LIV. He may very well not know what happened with Rittenhouse and simply buys into teh white supremacist came to shoot people MSM narrative. He may very well believe that Aantifa is an idea not a group.

We assume MSM pundits know things and lie about what they know. What if they just don't know things?

Posted by: Asshoes at October 01, 2020 12:49 PM (22mNy)

292 wallace == NO FOX. only occasional TC, otherwise OANN
any show that has a chance of having this partisan hack I avoid like a plague. I will tolerate Juan, at least he is clear in his partisan positions (mostly). the other hack, the ex-DNC chairwoman, still insists she is pure as driven snow in her lack of bias

Posted by: projection on steroids at October 01, 2020 12:49 PM (V9NdA)

293
If Levin's and Bongino's call screeners refuse to take calls criticizing them for being silent, sooner or later they will lose listeners to their radio shows.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 01, 2020 12:50 PM (s2VJv)

294 Growth Drug for Dwarfism

This is Ace's lead in the sidebar.
Could this be a tale...tell...tail?
Posted by: Diogenes at October 01, 2020 12:41 PM (axyOa)
........

This better not put an end to Mexican Midget Wrestling!

Posted by: wth at October 01, 2020 12:50 PM (v0R5T)

295 I bet you are!

@seanmdav

Fox News: 'We're Extremely Proud' of Chris Wallace's Debate Performance

https://tinyurl.com/y4bzeftd

Posted by: Tami at October 01, 2020 12:43 PM (cF8AT)

Good. They can be proud when their ratings are lower than CNN.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 01, 2020 12:50 PM (KV7lx)

296
If Fox has publicly defend Wallace's performance, they already lost.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 01, 2020 12:48 PM (emxxF)

Fox released a statement today saying they are proud of the job he did.

Posted by: Rioting Genius at October 01, 2020 12:50 PM (PtOP4)

297 >>I mean, I get it, not my guy, but do you have to freak out like that?

I think the freak out is caused by this: Trump doesn't just reject their ideas, he rejects their norms, their processes, their language, which is essentially rejecting their expertise and authority

They take this personally.

They are upset because he won't do things their way, won't see/discuss issues in their well-established paradigm, and doesn't *need* them to get things done.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 01, 2020 12:50 PM (bDqIh)

298 Dolley is fucking terrified of COVID. She thinks that if she gets it her already existing asthma problems will become significantly worse and she'll be unable to breathe easily for the rest of her life.

She has to bite her tongue when talking about my mother who doesn't give a shit about covid and never wears a mask unless she must.

Yeah, I finally let her know about what I think of that this morning because she's finally admitting that the last few months have left her depressed. "It's because you won't see anyone and barely leave the house over a virus that kills .2% of our demographic!"

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at October 01, 2020 12:50 PM (UWqZJ)

299 I wouldn't, and that is honest. I'd lose the motherfuckin' car keys for a day, and slip out on a key rescue mission to vote in person myself.

Nothing personal, Mom, but you're an idiot.
Posted by: GnuBreed at October 01, 2020 12:45 PM (Z4rgH)
-------------

People are allowed to be idiots.

I will not do to mom what I know leftists would willingly do to me.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at October 01, 2020 12:50 PM (WEBkv)

300 My guess is Wallace is very much LIV. He may very well not know what happened with Rittenhouse and simply buys into teh white supremacist came to shoot people MSM narrative. He may very well believe that Aantifa is an idea not a group.

We assume MSM pundits know things and lie about what they know. What if they just don't know things?
Posted by: Asshoes at October 01, 2020 12:49 PM (

Are you suggesting he might be stupid and lazy?

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at October 01, 2020 12:51 PM (yLbf7)

301 Hannity too.
Posted by: Rioting Genius at October 01, 2020 12:46 PM (PtOP4)

Hannity is the WORST suck up. Even Rush Limbaugh has disgraced himself by sucking up to Wallace.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat (Joe Biden Didn't Kill Himself at October 01, 2020 12:49 PM (puu6v)

I can cut Hannity some slack, I think there's a chance that he's just too stupid to ever really realize what he's doing.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 01, 2020 12:51 PM (Kpl3J)

302 Fox states it's "proud" of Wall-ass and his performance? It literally approves of what every living being saw as a sh*tshow? Good job, Fox. *slow clap*

Posted by: Lady in Black, for real at October 01, 2020 12:51 PM (O+I8R)

303 Is anyone old enough to remember 2016 when Fox smeared and worked overtime to eliminate PDT from the first day of the 2016 primary?

Most of the lying Democrats' Trump memes are of "Republican" party origin.

Posted by: Gilded at October 01, 2020 12:51 PM (BRkq2)

304 85 Imagine having an honest fair moderator at a presidential debate. Pretty sure that's never happened.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 01, 2020 12:24 PM (AFSld)
---------------------------------
Jim Lehrer, despite being a lifelong Dem and Obama supporter, did an excellent job at the first Obama-Romney debate.
He was practically invisible.

And of course he got tremendous flak for it.
The reaction on the Left was pretty unanimous. Never again should this be allowed to happen.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at October 01, 2020 12:51 PM (M/9m0)

305 Fox released a statement today saying they are proud of the job he did.
Posted by: Rioting Genius at October 01, 2020 12:50 PM (PtOP4)
+++++++++++
There was no other possible course of action. The real question is "do they mean it, or are they saving face?"

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 01, 2020 12:52 PM (hYcqw)

306 I will not do to mom what I know leftists would willingly do to me.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at October 01, 2020 12:50 PM (WEBkv)

especially not from behind.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 01, 2020 12:52 PM (Kpl3J)

307 Identifying flaws that are easier to live with than try to change helps make a marriage work.
Posted by: Captain Hate

That part of Good Will Hunting where Robin Williams says something similar is the best part of the movie.

Posted by: Green River Killer at October 01, 2020 12:52 PM (2DOZq)

308
in other words, there's more truth to be found here than in any broadcast outlet you will ever find. They aren't allowed to do it.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 01, 2020 12:49 PM (Kpl3J

Excellent point. You cannot keep people from the truth once someone has the balls to point out that the 'truth' you were spoon fed for so long wasn't actually the truth.

People will find a way to get at the truth. It's human nature to deplore being lied to. No one wants to be manipulated. And The Age of Trump has beautifully ripped off the curtain of this secret.

You are lied to. You are manipulated. And someone is deciding for you what you can know.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 01, 2020 12:52 PM (emxxF)

309 But I do know that was ridiculous and inexcusable to give Chris Wallace that platform of power, that opportunity, to lord over their debate.
Posted by: Ordinary American at October 01, 2020 12:49 PM (H8QX

Maria Bartiromo in 2024.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at October 01, 2020 12:52 PM (jK8Z7)

310 Off serial killer sock

Posted by: Weaning is hard at October 01, 2020 12:52 PM (2DOZq)

311 If I was that financially set I would already have a merc army with south african names wrecking their houses, drinking their booze and defiling their women.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division

Do you, perchance, have a monthly periodical that one might subscribe to?

Posted by: rickb223 at October 01, 2020 12:52 PM (RkYsP)

312 I can cut Hannity some slack, I think there's a chance that he's just too stupid to ever really realize what he's doing.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 01, 2020 12:51 PM (Kpl3J)

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Hannity is a dumb fuck, but he's OUR dumb fuck.

Posted by: Asshoes at October 01, 2020 12:53 PM (22mNy)

313 Blake, maybe you could have a talk with her. Flesh out why Biden, and maybe tell her some things about him she likely would be very distressed by (personal and political). The kinds of things about him the media hides.

Posted by: Lady in Black, for real at October 01, 2020 12:53 PM (O+I8R)

314 For the life of me, I can't understand why Chris Wallace is not one of the hosts on 60 Minutes. He's such a natural fraud blowhole.

Posted by: Roy at October 01, 2020 12:53 PM (dRfJW)

315 Yeah, I finally let her know about what I think of that this morning because she's finally admitting that the last few months have left her depressed. "It's because you won't see anyone and barely leave the house over a virus that kills .2% of our demographic!"
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at October 01, 2020 12:50 PM (UWqZJ)
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Hmm, as an asthma sufferer who's survived several bouts of pneumonia, a bout of Valley Fever, Whooping Cough, etc., all I can say about Covid is: Bring it!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at October 01, 2020 12:53 PM (WEBkv)

316 OT but is anyone else doing this bullshit Smartsheet training today?

Posted by: Jordan61 at October 01, 2020 12:53 PM (Ez6QX)

317 316 OT but is anyone else doing this bullshit Smartsheet training today?
Posted by: Jordan61 at October 01, 2020 12:53 PM (Ez6QX)

No, but I've done it, and it's a stupid waste of time.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at October 01, 2020 12:54 PM (NWiLs)

318 305 Fox released a statement today saying they are proud of the job he did.
Posted by: Rioting Genius at October 01, 2020 12:50 PM (PtOP4)
+++++++++++
There was no other possible course of action. The real question is "do they mean it, or are they saving face?"
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 01, 2020 12:52 PM (hYcqw)

No, they could have remained silent and just waited for the news cycle to spin.

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 01, 2020 12:54 PM (NgKpN)

319 Late to the thread but now FOX's John Roberts is stamping his feet about how he was treated by Kayleigh and Twitter after his performance today. He's sick of it everyone.

Posted by: lowandslow at October 01, 2020 12:54 PM (4thlk)

320 Fox is praising Wallace because he did his job, protecting Biden as much as possible and attacking Trump.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 01, 2020 12:54 PM (r+sAi)

321 Blake, maybe you could have a talk with her. Flesh out why Biden, and maybe tell her some things about him she likely would be very distressed by (personal and political). The kinds of things about him the media hides.
Posted by: Lady in Black, for real at October 01, 2020 12:53 PM (O+I8R)

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I already have.

Mom has her mind made up, as far as I can tell. Though, there is a chance she'll vote down ticket and not for the president.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at October 01, 2020 12:54 PM (WEBkv)

322 I have never seen "Brokeback Mountain" so I didn't know what the meme related to, but in this photoshop Chris Wallace looks (if you don't look really closely) like an Amish guy with a beard, which wouldn't work since the Amish don't vote-but if thy did I bet most Amish would go for Trump.

I'm sure the next moderator will be just as much of a leftist tool as Wallace was.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 01, 2020 12:54 PM (WkPC9)

323 I don't think Wallace is or should be the issue now, the issue is the "white supremacist" BS. Someone needs to give the multi-racial Proud Boy group headed by Enrique Torrio (nice aryan sounding name) an opportunity to defend themselves.

Posted by: JROD at October 01, 2020 12:55 PM (0jZnq)

324 "If you talk out of turn again, you forfeit and this debate is over. "

Is that so hard to say?

Piss Boy had no interest in moderating a debate. He was paid to sling the shit and nothing more.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 01, 2020 12:55 PM (6FeV1)

325 Jim Lehrer, despite being a lifelong Dem and Obama supporter, did an excellent job at the first Obama-Romney debate.
He was practically invisible.

And of course he got tremendous flak for it.
The reaction on the Left was pretty unanimous. Never again should this be allowed to happen.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille
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Yea, and remember when Bernard Shaw asked Dukakis that death penalty question?

It's pretty rare to have someone approaching fair.

Candy Crowley was probably the worst until Wallace.

Honestly though, most debate moderators in recent history slanted liberal, but I could deal with it and Republicans usually did well regardless. Now it's over the top.

Posted by: Blago at October 01, 2020 12:55 PM (gkdnV)

326 according to the rules of the NGO that organizes the debates

*hitches up ballcap and scratches belly through dirty overalls*

Well, there's your problem right there.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 01, 2020 12:55 PM (oVJmc)

327 315 Yeah, I finally let her know about what I think of that this morning because she's finally admitting that the last few months have left her depressed. "It's because you won't see anyone and barely leave the house over a virus that kills .2% of our demographic!"
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at October 01, 2020 12:50 PM (UWqZJ)
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Hmm, as an asthma sufferer who's survived several bouts of pneumonia, a bout of Valley Fever, Whooping Cough, etc., all I can say about Covid is: Bring it!
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at October 01, 2020 12:53 PM (WEBkv)

==========

My younger sister got it and it laid her out badly. She felt the effects for weeks afterwards.

And then there are the stories that the virus messes with the lungs of survivors for life (which is a shaky assertion from what I understand).

My brother also got it, it laid him out for three days, and then he recovered.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at October 01, 2020 12:55 PM (UWqZJ)

328 When they burn your store
Down to the ground

Who ya gonna call

NOBODY!!!

When antifa's 'round
And you get beat some more

Who you gonna call

NOBODY!!!

Thank you Ray Perkins Jr. and the City Councils of Minneapolis, Kenosha, Seattle, Portland, Chicago and every other socialist/liberal shithole city that is run by democrats for the inspiration!!!!

Posted by: Kdiz at October 01, 2020 12:55 PM (hv82i)

329 >> He may very well not know what happened with Rittenhouse and simply buys into teh white supremacist came to shoot people MSM narrative. He may very well believe that Aantifa is an idea not a group.

You're saying Chris Wallace, son of a famous and well-respected newsman (in news circles), experienced journalist who has hosted a Sunday news/current events show and interviewed all the biggest DC people as well as international VIPs . . . failed to notice who has been burning down major cities since late May??? Failed to notice that a 17 year old kid got in an altercation with rioters only after several days of significant property damage/arson as well as locals being beaten for trying to stop them?

If he is this clueless at this stage of his career then he is unqualified.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 01, 2020 12:55 PM (bDqIh)

330 Did Biden wear a wire to the debate?

Why isn't Chris Wallace on CNN? Not enough room for him and Don Lemonhead?

Posted by: Ms. Apple at October 01, 2020 12:55 PM (+fjIe)

331 If Fox has publicly defend Wallace's performance, they already lost.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 01, 2020 12:48 PM (emxxF)

Fox released a statement today saying they are proud of the job he did.
Posted by: Rioting Genius at October 01, 2020 12:50 PM (PtOP4)

Remember the old Wide World of Sports show ABC used to do? In the opening, there was "the thrill of victory," and nobody remembers what they showed there. The next line was "and the agony of defeat," and they'd show the skier, arse of tit on the slope, ripping into the banner as he went down.

I bet his parents afterwards were talking about how proud they were of their boy.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 01, 2020 12:55 PM (hku12)

332 The Democratic Party would be driven out of existence if the media was truly fair and balanced.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at October 01, 2020 12:56 PM (yLbf7)

333 No, they could have remained silent and just waited for the news cycle to spin.
Posted by: Romeo13 at October 01, 2020 12:54 PM (NgKpN)
+++++++++++
Wallace's performance was such a shit show and the debate itself such a farce and it has been the subject of so much commentary that they *had* to respond. There were only two choices: denounce it or circle the wagons. They circled the wagons, like virtually any organization would.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 01, 2020 12:56 PM (hYcqw)

334 I can cut Hannity some slack, I think there's a chance that he's just too stupid to ever really realize what he's doing.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 01, 2020 12:51 PM (Kpl3J)

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Hannity is a dumb fuck, but he's OUR dumb fuck.

==

Hannity is a cinderblock head. Big, ole head and not a very sharp wit. He's very annoying to me.

I hadn't watched him in many years, but a week or so ago, he had on some high school students who carried Blue Lives Matter flags onto the football field and were suspended. I tuned in because I graduated from that very high school and wanted to see the segment. I was reaffirmed with my thoughts on Old Cinderblock Head.

Posted by: Lady in Black, for real at October 01, 2020 12:56 PM (O+I8R)

335 *hitches up ballcap and scratches belly through dirty overalls*

Well, there's your problem right there.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 01, 2020 12:55 PM (oVJmc)
++++++++++++
No shit.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 01, 2020 12:56 PM (hYcqw)

336 Growth Drug for Dwarfism

This is Ace's lead in the sidebar.
Could this be a tale...tell...tail?
Posted by: Diogenes

It's a tall tale.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 01, 2020 12:56 PM (RkYsP)

337 We assume MSM pundits know things and lie about what they know. What if they just don't know things?
Posted by: Asshoes at October 01, 2020 12:49 PM (

Are you suggesting he might be stupid and lazy?
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at October 01, 2020 12:51 PM (yLbf7)

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Not stupid, uninformed. When you live your entire life in the NY/DC MSM bubble you don't question the convention wisdom.

Posted by: Asshoes at October 01, 2020 12:56 PM (22mNy)

338 Just as it's fair to say that rioting and looting is a completely inappropriate response to George Floyd or Jacob Blake, vigilante justice is a completely inappropriate response to the rioting in the street.
_____________

So what is the "appropriate" response to BLM and antifa thugs burning down peoples' homes and businesses, and rioting in the streets and assaulting people, Chissy?

Are we supposed to just stand there and say "thank you sir, may I have another?" as these asshole thugs set fire to our houses, or swarm our cars as we're trying to drive home from our jobs, or scream in our faces as we're trying to eat in restaurants?

Or would you prefer that we get down on our knees and beg forgiveness for our imagined sins of having white skin and being descended from the people who gave their lives and blood to build this country?

Screw you Chrissy. If the police won't stop these vicious leftist thugs from wantonly destroying our property and our lives, then the people must and will stop them. And that is not only an entirely "appropriate" response, it is the only reasonable response to this lawless destruction.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at October 01, 2020 12:56 PM (k4dH2)

339 Sounds like a lot of wives here think the same, lol. We should start a support group.
Posted by: Asshoes at October 01, 2020 12:45 PM (22mNy)
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I wish I could talk to them. Honestly. I'm a Catholic homeschooling mom who doesn't curse, rarely drinks, has never done drugs and who tries to model decorum in everything I do. We have raised our kids to be polite and well-mannered. I am kind of the biggest nerd on the planet. I live in the south and recoil from New Yorkers.

I did not vote for Trump in the primary. But as soon as I knew he was the nominee, I knew I would crawl a mile over broken glass to vote for him on Election Day. He has rarely disappointed me in anything he has done and he has exceeded my expectations in some areas. We don't have a whole lot in common EXCEPT we both love our country and feel it's worth saving. He is the most conservative President in my lifetime.

No one President is going to make 100% of the people happy all the time. It can't happen.

The chances of anyone here ever meeting him are pretty slim, so we don't have to worry about him being rude to us. So as long as he pursues the policies he has started I can't think of one reason not to vote for him.

And no matter what, the very thought of a Biden (or rather, Harris) presidency is terrifying. If for no other reason than to prevent that, it's worth voting for Trump.

Posted by: bluebell at October 01, 2020 12:56 PM (/669Q)

340 No, but I've done it, and it's a stupid waste of time.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at October 01, 2020 12:54 PM (NWiLs)

I figured. I'm just gonna keep my door shut all day and pretend I'm doing it, and just hang out here.

Posted by: Jordan61 at October 01, 2020 12:57 PM (Ez6QX)

341 Yeah, I finally let her know about what I think of that this morning because she's finally admitting that the last few months have left her depressed. "It's because you won't see anyone and barely leave the house over a virus that kills .2% of our demographic!"
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at October 01, 2020 12:50 PM (UWqZJ)

TJM don't you guys have very young kids?
Please encourage her to get her hemoglobin, ferritin, and vit D levels tested.
It's extremely common for moms with young kids to be misdiagnosed as depressed when they are actually deficient in iron or vit D. Common because doctors rarely test ferritin or vit D.

Posted by: vmom 2020 - Grow Up and Vote for Trump by Eddie Scarry at October 01, 2020 12:57 PM (nUhF0)

342 So Fox admits that there is a significant opinion out there that Wallace was a stooge first Biden or they wouldn't have to come out in defense of Wallace.

When you're defending you're losing.

Posted by: Weaning is hard at October 01, 2020 12:57 PM (2DOZq)

343 Along with the massive protests in Toronto there are massive protests in London and New Zealand and Australia
The commenter is right; people will search out the truth, and fortunately we can all still communicate with each other. (See: us)

Posted by: artemis at October 01, 2020 12:57 PM (AwPyG)

344 As far as I am concerned, anyone (without exception) who votes demonrat this time around is endorsing the viewpoint that I need to be shot while kneeling on the edge of a ditch, and can expect to be treated as such henceforward.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at October 01, 2020 12:58 PM (3Mvdr)

345 Military Vets to the age

of 64.

Better hurry you've only got until next June to use me..

Posted by: Archer at October 01, 2020 12:58 PM (gmo/4)

346 Donna Brazile is a great American!

Posted by: Sean Hannity at October 01, 2020 12:58 PM (sWM8x)

347 The few liberals I still associate with are now waking up, based on the court packing and statehood issues. They don't want it at all.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 01, 2020 12:58 PM (kA3Cp)

348 They can defend Wallace all they want, he's about to get the Lebron James treatment from the fans.

Posted by: artemis at October 01, 2020 12:58 PM (AwPyG)

349 "Trump's Chances Are Dwindling. That Could Make Him Dangerous."

-- Blog post title by Nate Silver at Five Thirty Eight

The walls are coming off and the wheels are closing in.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at October 01, 2020 12:58 PM (DMUuz)

350 The Democratic Party would be driven out of existence if the media was truly fair and balanced.

--

I couldn't ^^THIS this post any more if I tried. The "media" is the root of all our evils. It truly is.

Posted by: Lady in Black, for real at October 01, 2020 12:58 PM (O+I8R)

351 But I do know that was ridiculous and inexcusable to
give Chris Wallace that platform of power, that opportunity, to lord
over their debate.

Posted by: Ordinary American at October 01, 2020 12:49 PM (H8QX

Maria Bartiromo in 2024.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at October 01, 2020 12:52 PM (jK8Z7)

Why prop up the MSM?
If Newsome is the candidate, I want Nerdrotic hosting the debate.

Posted by: Methos at October 01, 2020 12:58 PM (kOpft)

352 341 Yeah, I finally let her know about what I think of that this morning because she's finally admitting that the last few months have left her depressed. "It's because you won't see anyone and barely leave the house over a virus that kills .2% of our demographic!"
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at October 01, 2020 12:50 PM (UWqZJ)

TJM don't you guys have very young kids?
Please encourage her to get her hemoglobin, ferritin, and vit D levels tested.
It's extremely common for moms with young kids to be misdiagnosed as depressed when they are actually deficient in iron or vit D. Common because doctors rarely test ferritin or vit D.
Posted by: vmom 2020 - Grow Up and Vote for Trump by Eddie Scarry at October 01, 2020 12:57 PM (nUhF0)

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She went to a doctor the other day for the first time in a long time. Her recognition of her depressive state was because of her results from a questionnaire she filled out there. She's got follow ups scheduled.

She's also weaning down from breast feeding, so her hormones are playing whackadoodle with her brain.

She feels isolated from the rest of her family, has no social interaction but me and the kids, and she's in the final stages of breast feeding. I've been patient.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at October 01, 2020 12:59 PM (UWqZJ)

353 How can anyone question the intelligence of someone who wears glasses like those Wallace was wearing?

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at October 01, 2020 12:59 PM (yLbf7)

354 Exactly. I like Levin and Bongino, but their lack of criticism of Wallace makes them look very weak.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 01, 2020 12:41 PM (AFSld)

Hannity too.

Posted by: Rioting Genius at October 01, 2020 12:46 PM (PtOP4)

Bongino and Levin are disappointing. Hannity is a company man. He says what he's told to say.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 01, 2020 12:59 PM (KV7lx)

355 336 Growth Drug for Dwarfism

This is Ace's lead in the sidebar.
Could this be a tale...tell...tail?
Posted by: Diogenes

It's a tall tale.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 01, 2020 12:56 PM (RkYsP)

Not a short story?

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 01, 2020 12:59 PM (NgKpN)

356 If Fox can't decide who they are, then they will end up with the Tab drinks, Hulu hoops and green ribbed Tex-Mex condoms.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at October 01, 2020 12:59 PM (pB6Gt)

357 There was no other possible course of action. The real question is "do they mean it, or are they saving face?"
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 01, 2020 12:52 PM (hYcqw)

No, they could have remained silent and just waited for the news cycle to spin.
Posted by: Romeo13 at October 01, 2020 12:54 PM (NgKpN)

It cracks me up, because everyone says the first thing to do if you find yourself in a hole is to stop digging.

But nobody ever does that.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 01, 2020 12:59 PM (hku12)

358 347 The few liberals I still associate with are now waking up, based on the court packing and statehood issues. They don't want it at all.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 01, 2020 12:58 PM (kA3Cp)

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Why don't they want a liberal SCOTUS and 4 new senate seats?

Posted by: Asshoes at October 01, 2020 12:59 PM (22mNy)

359
Posted by: bluebell at October 01, 2020 12:56 PM (/669Q)
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Please listen to bluebell. She's smart!

Posted by: Weasel at October 01, 2020 01:00 PM (MVjcR)

360 Late to the thread but now FOX's John Roberts is stamping his feet about
how he was treated by Kayleigh and Twitter after his performance today.
He's sick of it everyone.
---
Anyone asked if he's the one on Epstein's flight log rather than the chief justice?

Posted by: Methos at October 01, 2020 01:00 PM (kOpft)

361 Yeah, I finally let her know about what I think of that this morning because she's finally admitting that the last few months have left her depressed. "It's because you won't see anyone and barely leave the house over a virus that kills .2% of our demographic!"
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at October 01, 2020 12:50 PM (UWqZJ)

TJM, I think you're right about this one, but I wouldn't discount Dolley's concerns completely.

The startup I work for services the Asthma/COPD community, and I've spoken with asthma sufferers that have come down with COVID. Definitely not pleasant, and they've all recovered (or else I wouldn't have heard from them, I suppose), but it is a risk factor to keep in mind.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 01, 2020 01:00 PM (6xA3t)

362 358 347 The few liberals I still associate with are now waking up, based on the court packing and statehood issues. They don't want it at all.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 01, 2020 12:58 PM (kA3Cp)

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Why don't they want a liberal SCOTUS and 4 new senate seats?
Posted by: Asshoes at October 01, 2020 12:59 PM (22mNy)

==========

"Short term success is all that matters!"
-A whole lotta people

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at October 01, 2020 01:00 PM (UWqZJ)

363 There was no other possible course of action. The real question is "do they mean it, or are they saving face?"
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 01, 2020 12:52 PM (hYcq
*********
They Mean it, Why do you think anyone associated with FUX has Laryngitis ?

Posted by: Ghost Of Ruth Buzzi Ginsberg at October 01, 2020 01:00 PM (1Dmt5)

364 Wallace is a news reader. The most overrated , over paid job in the world.

Posted by: Weaning is hard at October 01, 2020 01:00 PM (2DOZq)

365 296
If Fox has publicly defend Wallace's performance, they already lost.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 01, 2020 12:48 PM (emxxF)

Fox released a statement today saying they are proud of the job he did.
Posted by: Rioting Genius at October 01, 2020 12:50 PM (PtOP4)

Seems like they've been releasing a few statements defending their employees' idiocy lately.

They must be getting a lot of negative feedback from viewers - and now former viewers.

Posted by: Marybeth at October 01, 2020 01:00 PM (4pK1/)

366 As far as I am concerned, anyone (without exception) who votes demonrat this time around is endorsing the viewpoint that I need to be shot while kneeling on the edge of a ditch, and can expect to be treated as such henceforward.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at October 01, 2020 12:58 PM (3Mvdr)
---------------

The over 80 crowd isn't aware of what Democrats have become.

I've a lot of long time family friends who are Democrats. These are the parents of kids I grew up with. They are family, as far as I'm concerned. Fortunately, they're not so far gone that I'll lose their friendship because I support President Trump.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at October 01, 2020 01:00 PM (WEBkv)

367 They circled the wagons, like virtually any organization would.
Posted by: Joe Mannix

_______________

I'm honestly not surprised and most every organization has people under contract with non-disparagement clauses. Not defending it, just saying it's SOP.

Just like Shepard Smith was supposedly forced out over his attacks on Tucker Carlson.

Posted by: Blago at October 01, 2020 01:00 PM (gkdnV)

368 Why don't they want a liberal SCOTUS and 4 new senate seats?

--

They are thoughtful enough to realize you don't change the rules now.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 01, 2020 01:01 PM (kA3Cp)

369 191
If Levin and the others are being ordered not to badmouth Wallace,
and they comply, then what does that say about their character?
Especially if they continue to stay on for the money.

Posted by: j.j.

I think mission accomplished. By demanding no one SAY HIS NAME! they have activated a circular shooting gallery among us.
Now, Rush, Hannity, Levin, et al are facing unfriendly fire.

Posted by: old chick at October 01, 2020 01:01 PM (sOete)

370 So what is the "appropriate" response to BLM and antifa thugs burning down peoples' homes and businesses, and rioting in the streets and assaulting people, Chissy?

Are we supposed to just stand there and say "thank you sir, may I have another?" as these asshole thugs set fire to our houses, or swarm our cars as we're trying to drive home from our jobs, or scream in our faces as we're trying to eat in restaurants?

Or would you prefer that we get down on our knees and beg forgiveness for our imagined sins of having white skin and being descended from the people who gave their lives and blood to build this country?

Screw you Chrissy. If the police won't stop these vicious leftist thugs from wantonly destroying our property and our lives, then the people must and will stop them. And that is not only an entirely "appropriate" response, it is the only reasonable response to this lawless destruction.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer

Shorter reply:
Check your shit before we wreck your shit.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 01, 2020 01:01 PM (RkYsP)

371 I wonder how much money Wallace made on this?

I mean, HS football refs get bribes. Any big money contest has the potential for bribes. Ace always talks about these people doing it for a future job on CNN, but I think there is more to it. More than resume building or cocktail parties.

I think the big dem funders would gladly spend some of the billions they invest in elections on some direct action, and what is higher profile than the debates? What would it take. 10 million? 100 million? peanuts compared to what some of the funders spend.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at October 01, 2020 01:01 PM (LWu6U)

372 Some of us had said from the beginning that without law and order, vigilantism prevails. It is the natural order.

Why it is some sort of mystery to these dunderheads is confounding.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 01, 2020 01:01 PM (KnJdm)

373 And then there are the stories that the virus messes with the lungs of survivors for life (which is a shaky assertion from what I understand).

My brother also got it, it laid him out for three days, and then he recovered.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at October 01, 2020 12:55 PM

I completely understand why people who consider themselves to be in a high risk group would want to keep themselves secluded for some considerable time. I even think it would have been a good idea to have paid a monthly subsidy to people in high risk groups, allowing them to stay home.

but I object to those who say that just because they are at risk, EVERY one needs to stay home and submit to the same restrictions that they must. That's where so many go wrong, I believe.

I think that from the start, we should have locked down nursing homes, assisted living centers, and hospitals, and paid everyone who as 55 and over a monthly subsidy to go home and stay home. Also, anyone who had a valid claim to be in any high risk group. But everyone else should have been allowed to stay at work, stay going out, go to restaurants, whatever, just like always. I think that plan would have resulted in less total deaths, less total cost, and less total economic destruction than what we ended up doing.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 01, 2020 01:01 PM (Kpl3J)

374 361 Yeah, I finally let her know about what I think of that this morning because she's finally admitting that the last few months have left her depressed. "It's because you won't see anyone and barely leave the house over a virus that kills .2% of our demographic!"
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at October 01, 2020 12:50 PM (UWqZJ)

TJM, I think you're right about this one, but I wouldn't discount Dolley's concerns completely.

The startup I work for services the Asthma/COPD community, and I've spoken with asthma sufferers that have come down with COVID. Definitely not pleasant, and they've all recovered (or else I wouldn't have heard from them, I suppose), but it is a risk factor to keep in mind.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 01, 2020 01:00 PM (6xA3t)

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It is, and I've understood. But when she comes screaming at me that she's depressed and it's all my fault, well, I gotta lay out the reasons why I feel like she's depressed to her. I'm pretty sure it's not me who does the dishes every night and takes care of the baby all day during work.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at October 01, 2020 01:01 PM (UWqZJ)

375 My guess is Wallace is very much LIV. He may very
well not know what happened with Rittenhouse and simply buys into teh
white supremacist came to shoot people MSM narrative. He may very well
believe that Aantifa is an idea not a group.

We assume MSM pundits know things and lie about what they know. What if they just don't know things?

Posted by: Asshoes at October 01, 2020 12:49 PM (22mNy)

Wallace is a leftist. Every question and issue was framed from the left's point of view. Trump didn't pay taxes, Trump is a white supremacist, why does Trump deny climate change "science". It was all one leftist talking point after another.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 01, 2020 01:02 PM (KV7lx)

376 342 So Fox admits that there is a significant opinion out there that Wallace was a stooge first Biden or they wouldn't have to come out in defense of Wallace.

When you're defending you're losing.
Posted by: Weaning is hard at October 01, 2020 12:57 PM (2DOZq)

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Everyone with an IQ above room temperature knew that about Wallace the first time Wallace opened his mouth.

Posted by: Gilded at October 01, 2020 01:02 PM (BRkq2)

377 Is the newscaster from The Simpsons available to moderate a debate?

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at October 01, 2020 01:02 PM (yLbf7)

378

wow, big post

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 01, 2020 01:02 PM (rjE57)

379 I don't think Wallace is or should be the issue now, the issue is the "white supremacist" BS. Someone needs to give the multi-racial Proud Boy group headed by Enrique Torrio (nice aryan sounding name) an opportunity to defend themselves.
Posted by: JROD at October 01, 2020 12:55 PM (0jZnq)

Nothing defines Failure Theater more than leaving people acting on their purported behest to the mob. Contrast that to how the commies protect blm/antifa.

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 01, 2020 01:02 PM (y7DUB)

380 Ace

You could get a good post out of this

At the very least its a great read

https://bit.ly/3l47f7V

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at October 01, 2020 01:02 PM (nAJfF)

381 368 Why don't they want a liberal SCOTUS and 4 new senate seats?

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They are thoughtful enough to realize you don't change the rules now.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 01, 2020 01:01 PM (kA3Cp)

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Bit you said they're liberals. So how can they be thoughtful?

Posted by: Asshoes at October 01, 2020 01:02 PM (22mNy)

382 according to the rules of the NGO that organizes the debates

*hitches up ballcap and scratches belly through dirty overalls*

Well, there's your problem right there.
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I heard someone mention in passing that the deabate commission is Jane Harmon (D). Olympia Snowe (D) and some other bint.

Posted by: Methos at October 01, 2020 01:02 PM (kOpft)

383 Aw. Hi Weasel!

Posted by: bluebell at October 01, 2020 01:02 PM (/669Q)

384 When they burn your store
Down to the ground

Who ya gonna call

NOBODY!!!

David Thompson had pictures of flyers being posted on telephone poles that said "ANTIFA WILL PROTECT YOU".

Somehow I really doubt that, given they mostly scatter like roaches at the first sign of anyone that actually wants to hurt them.

Posted by: Ian S. at October 01, 2020 01:03 PM (ZGrMX)

385 373
I completely understand why people who consider themselves to be in a high risk group would want to keep themselves secluded for some considerable time. I even think it would have been a good idea to have paid a monthly subsidy to people in high risk groups, allowing them to stay home.

but I object to those who say that just because they are at risk, EVERY one needs to stay home and submit to the same restrictions that they must. That's where so many go wrong, I believe.

I think that from the start, we should have locked down nursing homes, assisted living centers, and hospitals, and paid everyone who as 55 and over a monthly subsidy to go home and stay home. Also, anyone who had a valid claim to be in any high risk group. But everyone else should have been allowed to stay at work, stay going out, go to restaurants, whatever, just like always. I think that plan would have resulted in less total deaths, less total cost, and less total economic destruction than what we ended up doing.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 01, 2020 01:01 PM (Kpl3J)

==========

If Dolley didn't have asthma, I would have been far more aggressive about getting out of the house and allowing visitors months ago.

I've allowed her her safe space because I understand her very real concerns.

But if the balance of her health is beginning to take a toll on her mental health, then something probably needs to change.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at October 01, 2020 01:03 PM (UWqZJ)

386 383 Aw. Hi Weasel!
Posted by: bluebell at October 01, 2020 01:02 PM (/669Q)
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Well it's true! And it's also getting to be Stayman apple time.

Posted by: Weasel at October 01, 2020 01:03 PM (MVjcR)

387 Great comment, bluebell.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at October 01, 2020 01:04 PM (WEBkv)

388 Wallace is a leftist. Every question and issue was framed from the left's point of view. Trump didn't pay taxes, Trump is a white supremacist, why does Trump deny climate change "science". It was all one leftist talking point after another.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 01, 2020 01:02 PM (KV7lx)

__

I don't disagree. But what I'm saying is he doesn't think of himself as one. He thinks of himself as a moderate/centrist because in his DC/NY MSM bubble leftists opinions are centrist.

Posted by: Asshoes at October 01, 2020 01:04 PM (22mNy)

389 Because many of us have seen Chris Wallace's increasingly Maddow-like "reportage" over the past several years.

This is what my brother was telling me pre-debates. That he has watched Wallace turn into a huge "pompous @$$" over time. That he was never this bad.

This is what hyper-TDS looks like. Where they have spoiled their brain cells so much that they are just filled to the brim with hate and rage and knee jerk reactions.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 01, 2020 01:04 PM (rjE57)

390 Interesting that no one seems to be bringing up Megyn Kelly, and what happened to her. Past becomes prelude

Posted by: artemis at October 01, 2020 01:04 PM (AwPyG)

391 No one President is going to make 100% of the people happy all the time. It can't happen.

The chances of anyone here ever meeting him are pretty slim, so we don't have to worry about him being rude to us. So as long as he pursues the policies he has started I can't think of one reason not to vote for him.

And no matter what, the very thought of a Biden (or rather, Harris) presidency is terrifying. If for no other reason than to prevent that, it's worth voting for Trump.
Posted by: bluebell at October 01, 2020 12:56 PM (/669Q)

A friend of mine from High School actually did run into Trump in early 2016 at Trump Tower. She took her daughter to NY to see a Broadway show and stopped in Trump Tower to buy a Trump teddy bear, and he came into the building. She asked if he could sign the teddy bear for her daughter, and he said "Pen! I need a pen here!" and once someone got him a pen he signed it & posed with them for some photos.

Posted by: josephistan at October 01, 2020 01:04 PM (Izzlo)

392 She's also weaning down from breast feeding, so her hormones are playing whackadoodle with her brain.

She feels isolated from the rest of her family, has no social interaction but me and the kids, and she's in the final stages of breast feeding. I've been patient.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

Remain patient as long as needed. I'm sure that is messing with her.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 01, 2020 01:05 PM (RkYsP)

393 Given media refusal to ever ask a conservative a fair or honest question it's easy to believe they're seriously uninformed.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at October 01, 2020 01:05 PM (yLbf7)

394 Posted by: Methos at October 01, 2020 01:02 PM (kOpft)
***********
https://bit.ly/3l3A0BJ
*******
Here they are

Posted by: Ghost Of Ruth Buzzi Ginsberg at October 01, 2020 01:05 PM (1Dmt5)

395 I'm committed to spreading the lie that the virus won't flat kill every effenbody on earth as my relatives believe.

So tired of this ****.

Posted by: klaftern at October 01, 2020 01:05 PM (RuIsu)

396 Well it's true! And it's also getting to be Stayman apple time.
Posted by: Weasel at October 01, 2020 01:03 PM (MVjcR)
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Ha! Very true. I was at the farmers market this morning. They said they are coming along nicely and will be ready soon. I figure that means #twoweeks. I see a pie in your future.

Posted by: bluebell at October 01, 2020 01:05 PM (/669Q)

397 Top of the hour news (Fox) during Limbaugh and Levin shows yesterday and today has been the constant drumbeat of Trump not denouncing white supremacist groups. If there is another debate Trump needs to take the opportunity to put that shit to rest.

Posted by: JROD at October 01, 2020 01:05 PM (0jZnq)

398 Screw you Chrissy. If the police won't stop these
vicious leftist thugs from wantonly destroying our property and our
lives, then the people must and will stop them. And that is not only an
entirely "appropriate" response, it is the only reasonable response
to this lawless destruction.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at October 01, 2020 12:56 PM (k4dH2)

Our founders would have also went after anybody that complained about it.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at October 01, 2020 01:05 PM (9Om/r)

399 The Putin' on the Ritz video is grotesque, eerie, what nightmares are made of.Beautiful.

Posted by: washrivergal at October 01, 2020 01:05 PM (66BnU)

400 The problem is this "commission on debates" is treated like they have any real authority. They do not exist to modify or change the discussion, they are a tool to facilitate it. like all things, though, it has become a liberal tool of the government which is skewing the debate to the left.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at October 01, 2020 01:05 PM (JRaU+)

401 Hahahaha! She takes zero shit!

@PressSec

@johnrobertsFox I would refer you to your wife's reporting from 21 hours ago... accurate reporting I cited in the White House Press Briefing.

https://tinyurl.com/yyhk5g3a

Posted by: Tami at October 01, 2020 01:05 PM (cF8AT)

402 Katie Pavlich for making the inarguable observation that as official law enforcement recedes, private law enforcement -- "vigiliantism" -- will supplant it.

Wallace will naturally pay for private security. The same as vigilantism tbh, but considered more legit for the wealthy.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 01, 2020 01:06 PM (rjE57)

403 392 She's also weaning down from breast feeding, so her hormones are playing whackadoodle with her brain.

She feels isolated from the rest of her family, has no social interaction but me and the kids, and she's in the final stages of breast feeding. I've been patient.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

Remain patient as long as needed. I'm sure that is messing with her.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 01, 2020 01:05 PM (RkYsP)

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The whole breast feeding thing has been an ordeal on its own. She's been miserable but very desirous to do a full year.

She also needs to start doing yoga again to help her back, and she's unwilling to just start it herself.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at October 01, 2020 01:06 PM (UWqZJ)

404 396 Well it's true! And it's also getting to be Stayman apple time.
Posted by: Weasel at October 01, 2020 01:03 PM (MVjcR)
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Ha! Very true. I was at the farmers market this morning. They said they are coming along nicely and will be ready soon. I figure that means #twoweeks. I see a pie in your future.
Posted by: bluebell at October 01, 2020 01:05 PM (/669Q)
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Excellent!
By the way, if Ladyl mentions something about the two of you in an apple pie bake-off, I know NOTHING about it.

Posted by: Weasel at October 01, 2020 01:07 PM (MVjcR)

405 Kayleigh McEnany's awesome Twitter response to John Roberts.

https://tinyurl.com/yyhk5g3a

Posted by: Mark1971 at October 01, 2020 01:07 PM (xPl2J)

406 60 minutes went hard left in the 80s, or maybe even the 70s, but they had more than that. They saw it as a grift where they acted straight, and honest, and serious, but what they were really doing is tabloid journalism. They looked for stories and if there was nothing there, they just zoomed in the camera a bit to make the interviewer look creepy, and edited in such a way,...

It really was the slimiest of programs, but this was before the internet and you basically had to believe whatever they told you since they were the ONLY source for so many of their investigative reports.

They creeped me out though. I think it was the format, and the editing - it looked compelling, but it also looked like there was something wrong.

I think 60 minutes kind of created the news-as-propaganda grift in the the US. Other shows had biased people, but that show had a biased business model.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at October 01, 2020 01:07 PM (LWu6U)

407 Top of the hour news (Fox) during Limbaugh and Levin shows yesterday and today has been the constant drumbeat of Trump not denouncing white supremacist groups. If there is another debate Trump needs to take the opportunity to put that shit to rest.
Posted by: JROD at October 01, 2020 01:05 PM (0jZnq)

If it's not this, it will be something else

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 01, 2020 01:07 PM (rjE57)

408 David Dorn, a well-respected former police Captain and Chief was shot and killed by a looter when Mr Dorn was trying to protect his friend's pawn shop.

According to the Chris Wallace definition, Mr Dorn was a vigilante.

Chris Wallace can suck my asshole.

Posted by: I'm Tucker Carlson and I will destroy you at October 01, 2020 01:07 PM (8l1ux)

409 Posted by: thathalfrican

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That is good stuff.

Jason Whitlock:
"I can survive without the NBA. The NBA apparently can't survive without pleasing communist-run China."

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 01, 2020 01:07 PM (kA3Cp)

410 Perhaps Wallace is less a tool of the Dems/Left, and more a tool of the GOPe.

Posted by: davidt at October 01, 2020 01:07 PM (l3+k2)

411 His father was a left wing, lying, scumbag POS, he's a left wing, lying, scumbag POS. It's not hard to make the connection.

Posted by: Shooter McGavin at October 01, 2020 01:07 PM (YAsoQ)

412 There are pictures of a wire under the right jacket and in his sleeve. There is a rig you can wear called savox that fits like that. James Woods has pictures:

https://tinyurl.com/y74mkc7x

Look at Woods's whole Twitter thread. There's more.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at October 01, 2020 01:07 PM (jK8Z7)

413 Biden's camp must see internal movement among blacks and Latinos toward Trump, hence the coordinated white supremacy strategy

Posted by: Eric at October 01, 2020 01:07 PM (4q3U3)

414 People are allowed to be idiots.

I will not do to mom what I know leftists would willingly do to me.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at October 01, 2020 12:50 PM (WEBkv)

And I agree in principle. But as a free American, knowing the bias of the Left press, I might just fuck with Mom's mind, under the principle that I'm doing it second.

Because they already have. I have a voice too.

And the car keys.

Posted by: GnuBreed at October 01, 2020 01:08 PM (Z4rgH)

415 I'm honestly not surprised and most every organization has people under contract with non-disparagement clauses. Not defending it, just saying it's SOP.

Just like Shepard Smith was supposedly forced out over his attacks on Tucker Carlson.
Posted by: Blago at October 01, 2020 01:00 PM (gkdnV)

Levin has badmouthed Napolitano before, but maybe not by name.

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 01, 2020 01:08 PM (y7DUB)

416 But if the balance of her health is beginning to take a toll on her mental health, then something probably needs to change.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at October 01, 2020 01:03 PM (UWqZJ)

I don't remember the age of your baby, but post partum can kick in for quite a while, and it can be powerful.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 01, 2020 01:08 PM (Kpl3J)

417 Justice means that if you smash my stuff, i smash you.

Courts and cops and jail cells are there to convince us not to do that.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 01, 2020 01:08 PM (6FeV1)

418 How can you people sit here arguing about politics when the upcoming Dwarf Genocide renders all other topics moot?

Posted by: zombie at October 01, 2020 01:08 PM (HEEq1)

419 "OANN will need more money, too, to get their own reportage

especially overseas and get more viewers. Their news coverage is

straight as an arrow, but its bias is in what it covers, and likely the

cancel culture would try to get it to die for that alone.
"

but how much control does cancel culture have over actual viewership? There is a hungry market for the news that does not get covered by MSM. OANN can collect that market. A billionaire may be shy about investing (he could get cancelled by The Resistance still living in the FBI and IRS?) ... but the market is there.

What if OANN went public ... I wonder if that is an option. They could come out as the "news that is embargoed by networks" ... or " The News the Mafia run Media wants Hidden". Is there still a conservative run firm that could bring it public? This applies to all otheer corporate level WokeKorps that have decided to serve exclusively WokeLabel Products, against 65% of the market. Surely there is a place for the anti-WokeCorps.

Posted by: illiniwek at October 01, 2020 01:08 PM (Cus5s)

420 She asked if he could sign the teddy bear for her daughter, and he said "Pen! I need a pen here!" and once someone got him a pen he signed it & posed with them for some photos.
Posted by: josephistan at October 01, 2020 01:04 PM (Izzlo)
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That's awesome! I actually wouldn't worry that he'd be rude, especially as I would give him no reason to be if I ever met him. But it seems as though some of our Morons' wives feel he is that way, and since most of us will never come up against him, I don't think it's something anyone should worry about.

Posted by: bluebell at October 01, 2020 01:08 PM (/669Q)

421 Fox News has chosen to piss on their core audience of viewers who have been loyal to them for almost 25 years.

Respond accordingly.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at October 01, 2020 01:08 PM (996BY)

422 >>But if the balance of her health is beginning to take a toll on her mental health, then something probably needs to change.

Can you at least go on drives, get out on some nature trails away from people. Just getting new scenery and fresh air does wonders. That's how our family got out of the COVID funk.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 01, 2020 01:08 PM (bDqIh)

423 She also needs to start doing yoga again to help her back, and she's unwilling to just start it herself.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at October 01, 2020 01:06 PM (UWqZJ)

Meaning what, she needs to go to a class? And she won't because she's scared to be around other people?

Posted by: Jordan61 at October 01, 2020 01:08 PM (Ez6QX)

424 Chris Wallace can suck my asshole.
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Go on...

Posted by: Chris Wallace at October 01, 2020 01:08 PM (vg8iE)

425 397 Top of the hour news (Fox) during Limbaugh and Levin shows yesterday and today has been the constant drumbeat of Trump not denouncing white supremacist groups. If there is another debate Trump needs to take the opportunity to put that shit to rest.

Posted by: JROD at October 01, 2020 01:05 PM (0jZnq)

Do you realize how many times he's 'put this shit' to rest? Doesn't matter. They keep asking the same damn question.

Posted by: Tami at October 01, 2020 01:09 PM (cF8AT)

426 Of course. Federal appeals court has overturned lower court ruling that PA's lockdown rules are unconstitutional.

Posted by: josephistan at October 01, 2020 01:09 PM (Izzlo)

427 403 392 She's also weaning down from breast feeding, so her hormones are playing whackadoodle with her brain.

She feels isolated from the rest of her family, has no social interaction but me and the kids, and she's in the final stages of breast feeding. I've been patient.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

Remain patient as long as needed. I'm sure that is messing with her.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 01, 2020 01:05 PM (RkYsP)

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The whole breast feeding thing has been an ordeal on its own. She's been miserable but very desirous to do a full year.

She also needs to start doing yoga again to help her back, and she's unwilling to just start it herself.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at October 01, 2020 01:06 PM (UWqZJ)

Those things combined with the social isolation will wreak utter havoc. Social isolation by itself will send you around the bend. I hope things get better.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at October 01, 2020 01:09 PM (NWiLs)

428 but I object to those who say that just because they are at risk, EVERY one needs to stay home and submit to the same restrictions that they must. That's where so many go wrong, I believe.

Posted by: Tom Servo

__________________

It's just incredibly selfish at the end of the day, my country club Republican in-laws have taken that tact and will probably vote Biden over it.

And they also show a shit load of hypocrisy on it, like their "outings" are fine, but not these young people going to bars.

Posted by: Blago at October 01, 2020 01:09 PM (gkdnV)

429 Wallace has the ear of the Morlocks

Tucker, Laura, Sean and Greg are being played or they are sellouts

or both

Posted by: REDACTED at October 01, 2020 01:09 PM (O+AcM)

430 I think that from the start, we should have locked down nursing homes, assisted living centers, and hospitals, and paid everyone who as 55 and over a monthly subsidy to go home and stay home. Also, anyone who had a valid claim to be in any high risk group. But everyone else should have been allowed to stay at work, stay going out, go to restaurants, whatever, just like always. I think that plan would have resulted in less total deaths, less total cost, and less total economic destruction than what we ended up doing.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 01, 2020 01:01 PM (Kpl3J)

My only quibble would be about 'at the start'. I do think, in the absence of significant info at the time (March), that we could justify a shutdown like the one we had. Trump's instinct to reopen by Easter was, like all of his other instincts up to this point, completely spot-on. If we did that, and then did as you suggest, we would be fine right now. We knew enough by Easter who the high-risk groups were.

While I praise the work of the COVID Task Force as necessary political theater to navigate the significant peril to Trump's presidency at the time, I think that when the book is written on this whole incident they will come against significant criticism about how they didn't address the realities on the field with this new information.

I expect Rhomboid to write that book.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 01, 2020 01:09 PM (6xA3t)

431 Chris Wallace on an outing with Epstein, of course

https://tinyurl.com/y4yjyn3l

Posted by: Blago at October 01, 2020 01:09 PM (gkdnV)

432 406 60 minutes went hard left in the 80s, or maybe even the 70s, but they had more than that. They saw it as a grift where they acted straight, and honest, and serious, but what they were really doing is tabloid journalism. They looked for stories and if there was nothing there, they just zoomed in the camera a bit to make the interviewer look creepy, and edited in such a way,...

It really was the slimiest of programs, but this was before the internet and you basically had to believe whatever they told you since they were the ONLY source for so many of their investigative reports.

They creeped me out though. I think it was the format, and the editing - it looked compelling, but it also looked like there was something wrong.

I think 60 minutes kind of created the news-as-propaganda grift in the the US. Other shows had biased people, but that show had a biased business model.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at October 01, 2020 01:07 PM (LWu6U)

And two weeks ago when they had General McMaster on, they gave him none of the 60 Minutes treatment. Scott Pelley served up softball questions like an informercial.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at October 01, 2020 01:09 PM (jK8Z7)

433 Never doubt that the Fascist Left wants a Police State. As long as it is THEIR Police. And that would be the end of us.

Posted by: tubal at October 01, 2020 01:09 PM (bCLt0)

434 416 But if the balance of her health is beginning to take a toll on her mental health, then something probably needs to change.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at October 01, 2020 01:03 PM (UWqZJ)

I don't remember the age of your baby, but post partum can kick in for quite a while, and it can be powerful.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 01, 2020 01:08 PM (Kpl3J)

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11 months today.

Yeah, I'm doing what I can to help her, but I really think a visit from her own mother would do her good.

But her mother isn't allowed to come unless she quarantines for two weeks without symptoms and then comes.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at October 01, 2020 01:09 PM (UWqZJ)

435 That's awesome! I actually wouldn't worry that he'd be rude, especially as I would give him no reason to be if I ever met him. But it seems as though some of our Morons' wives feel he is that way, and since most of us will never come up against him, I don't think it's something anyone should worry about.
Posted by: bluebell at October 01, 2020 01:08 PM (/669Q)
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President Trump always struck me as the kind of person, who, if you're rude to him, he'll be rude right back, but, if you treat him with respect, that's what you'll get in return.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at October 01, 2020 01:10 PM (WEBkv)

436 At the very least its a great read

https://bit.ly/3l47f7V

Yep, that was a nice read. I choose America, too. It's not even a struggle.

Posted by: t-bird at October 01, 2020 01:10 PM (8eSmR)

437 @379 Captain Hate-Even Ted Cruz being interviewed by Fredo Cuomo last night shit the bed on this Proud Boy thing. Ted said he has denounced the Proud Boys a long time ago. Not even Ted has done his research. Real opportunity to throw this back in the lefts face.

Posted by: JROD at October 01, 2020 01:10 PM (0jZnq)

438 I'm sure Paul Ryan likes Matthews. They probably vacation with kids together.

Posted by: f'd at October 01, 2020 01:10 PM (+y8uL)

439 Posted by: Methos at October 01, 2020 01:02 PM (kOpft)

***********

https://bit.ly/3l3A0BJ

*******

Here they are

Posted by: Ghost Of Ruth Buzzi Ginsberg at October 01, 2020 01:05 PM (1Dmt5)

Thanks.
Unfortunately, none of the living people I recognize on that list are remotely trustworthy.

Posted by: Methos at October 01, 2020 01:10 PM (kOpft)

440 By the way, if Ladyl mentions something about the two of you in an apple pie bake-off, I know NOTHING about it.
Posted by: Weasel at October 01, 2020 01:07 PM (MVjcR)
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First I've heard of it, and I bet you don't.

Posted by: bluebell at October 01, 2020 01:10 PM (/669Q)

441 423 She also needs to start doing yoga again to help her back, and she's unwilling to just start it herself.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at October 01, 2020 01:06 PM (UWqZJ)

Meaning what, she needs to go to a class? And she won't because she's scared to be around other people?
Posted by: Jordan61 at October 01, 2020 01:08 PM (Ez6QX)

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She wants to do it at home (cheaper and not around people), but she's just not spinning up the videos, putting on the pants, and rolling out the mat cause she doesn't feel like it at the moment.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at October 01, 2020 01:10 PM (UWqZJ)

442 Interesting that no one seems to be bringing up Megyn Kelly, and what happened to her. Past becomes prelude
Posted by: artemis at October 01, 2020 01:04 PM (AwPyG)

I've noticed that. None of the Big Media Stars who were front and center during previous debate sagas are a thing anymore.

Cause and effect?

Or are these people just cardboard, with no actual substance? Easily replaceable.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 01, 2020 01:10 PM (hku12)

443 And it's also getting to be Stayman apple time.
Posted by: Weasel at October 01, 2020 01:03 PM (MVjcR)

My favorites picked off the trees.

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 01, 2020 01:11 PM (y7DUB)

444

I saw a video a while ago by Bill O'Reilly it was from 2018. He said when he first got to Fox News it was set up to be the alternative to what you got from everywhere else (ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN etc.) Fox would show news and points of view the others would refuse to show or cover. He said in his last couple of years there it really started to change. Those in charge wanted to be like the others, be more acceptable to the media critics, fit in with the rest of them.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 01, 2020 01:11 PM (KV7lx)

445 And they also show a shit load of hypocrisy on it, like their "outings" are fine, but not these young people going to bars.
Posted by: Blago at October 01, 2020 01:09 PM (gkdnV)

That's the group that worries me the most this election - I know way too many over-70 people who are pissed off that some of the youngsters (anyone under 70 to them) might be allowed to do something that makes them feel personally uncomfortable.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 01, 2020 01:11 PM (Kpl3J)

446 This "white supremacy" thing is really striking.

Yes, we've had a society marinating in ridiculous idiotic untrue things for years (not all of them unpopular in this crowd here, sadly), but this is so stark, and so vile.

What I assume to be the generally worthless GOP Senator Portman (OH) issues a florid statement about this "group" or "movement" that is pretty much a unicorn - and absolutely a unicorn as far as being anything that influences or does anything of importance. And some other incredibly doofus-y weird GOPer I've somehow never heard of (Young), with an even more ridiculous statement.

And kind of related. Cuomo literally lying, bald-faced, about his COVID policy directive involving nursing homes (which of course occurred and is documented and simply a well-known fact). To the cameras. Unbelievable. This is the Soviet ambassador to the UN denying the KAL 007 shoot-down.

Things have been bad for a while.

But at least to me, we are now on a qualitatively new level of systemic mendacity and Soviet-like distortion of reality, when it comes to "news".

Posted by: rhomboid at October 01, 2020 01:11 PM (OTzUX)

447 Or are these people just cardboard, with no actual substance? Easily replaceable.
Posted by: BurtTC

Cardboard. Piss on 'em and they fall apart.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 01, 2020 01:11 PM (RkYsP)

448 The Right seems afraid of the Proud Boys. This is significant.

Posted by: tubal at October 01, 2020 01:11 PM (bCLt0)

449 She wants to do it at home (cheaper and not around people), but she's just not spinning up the videos, putting on the pants, and rolling out the mat cause she doesn't feel like it at the moment.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at October 01, 2020 01:10 PM (UWqZJ)

Offer to do it with her. Sans pants.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at October 01, 2020 01:11 PM (NWiLs)

450 I don't mind the tough questions for Trump as long as there are an equal number of tough questions for Biden.

From what I've read, that wasn't close to the case.

For instance, a fair but tough question for Biden would have been.

Mr Biden, you have criticized and blamed President Trump for specific problems in the country. Problems that existed while you were in the White House for eight years. What will you do now to solve those problems that you didn't do for those eight years?

Posted by: Weaning is hard at October 01, 2020 01:11 PM (2DOZq)

451 It's becoming increasingly clear that Trump did have a strategy and it was the right one. It was two against one, and he had no choice but to talk over them.

Posted by: Caliban at October 01, 2020 01:11 PM (vbNlT)

452 427
Those things combined with the social isolation will wreak utter havoc. Social isolation by itself will send you around the bend. I hope things get better.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at October 01, 2020 01:09 PM (NWiLs)

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Thanks.

I thought we were pretty happy considering. A bit stir crazy, for sure, but dealing. The extra money from not paying for day care helped tremendously.

And then...this morning.

I'm thinking that more boning is in order, to be honest.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at October 01, 2020 01:12 PM (UWqZJ)

453 She wants to do it at home (cheaper and not around people), but she's just not spinning up the videos, putting on the pants, and rolling out the mat cause she doesn't feel like it at the moment.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at October 01, 2020 01:10 PM (UWqZJ)

Gotcha.

Posted by: Jordan61 at October 01, 2020 01:12 PM (Ez6QX)

454 I'm just waiting for someone a crazier braver than me to start the shit.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at October 01, 2020 01:12 PM (pB6Gt)

455 Has anyone come out to explain what the thing up Biden's sleeve was at the debate, and the thing under his shirt coat?

The notion that he would mike up for the debate seems crazy but....he's got something in both places pretty clearly.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 01, 2020 01:12 PM (qlFIA)

456 37 21 Steve Scully - moderator 2nd Presidential Debate
"While attending college, he served as an intern in the office of Delaware Sen. Joseph R. Biden,"
Rigged system?

___

What in the ACTUAL FUCK? How does Trump agree to this shit?
Posted by: Asshoes

good. Trump can ask Scully about Tara Reade. naw, he wouldn't do that.

Posted by: x at October 01, 2020 01:12 PM (nFwvY)

457 What in the ACTUAL FUCK? How does Trump agree to this shit?
Posted by: Asshoes at October 01, 2020 12:19 PM (22mNy)

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LOL you think it makes a fucking difference.

Posted by: Venus at October 01, 2020 01:12 PM (iYXhj)

458 This "white supremacy" thing is really striking.

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It is merely the 'have you stopped beating your wife' gambit. Pretty pathetic, really.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 01, 2020 01:12 PM (kA3Cp)

459 449 Offer to do it with her. Sans pants.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at October 01, 2020 01:11 PM (NWiLs)

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I just...don't like it.

I'll probably have to though.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at October 01, 2020 01:13 PM (UWqZJ)

460 Biden's camp must see internal movement among blacks and Latinos toward Trump, hence the coordinated white supremacy strategy

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Really though, it's all they've run on for the past 4 years. It's Biden's platform. Pretty much in total. Trump's a racist white supremacist. Vote for me.

Posted by: Lady in Black, for real at October 01, 2020 01:13 PM (O+I8R)

461 She wants to do it at home (cheaper and not around people), but she's just not spinning up the videos, putting on the pants, and rolling out the mat cause she doesn't feel like it at the moment.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at October 01, 2020 01:10 PM (UWqZJ)
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Can you take the boys somewhere for an hour so she would have some uninterrupted time to do it?

Also, can you get her outside to go for a walk in the fresh air once in a while?

Posted by: bluebell at October 01, 2020 01:13 PM (/669Q)

462 GnuBreed: How about convincing your mom to stay home because the guy is senile and a ped0 -- show her some mashups of his inappropriate behaviour, or write in that nice Hillary Clinton instead? That's the same end.

Posted by: andycanuck at October 01, 2020 01:13 PM (an7Mv)

463 Chris Wallace is just Shepherd Smith.

Hopefully he'll follow Sheppy's lead and resign.

Posted by: I'm Tucker Carlson and I will destroy you at October 01, 2020 01:13 PM (8l1ux)

464 I don't remember the age of your baby, but post partum can kick in for quite a while, and it can be powerful.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 01, 2020 01:08 PM (Kpl3J)

my mother died 1 month after I was born

the after shocks were devastating and completely fucked my dad up, who in turn fucked the rest of the family up

so take great care of your moms

Posted by: REDACTED at October 01, 2020 01:13 PM (O+AcM)

465 First I've heard of it, and I bet you don't.
Posted by: bluebell at October 01, 2020 01:10 PM (/669Q)
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I better go check on the dogs. They're barking at something!

Posted by: Weasel at October 01, 2020 01:13 PM (MVjcR)

466 So Biden called a lid again today. Maybe he should change his name to Liden. It would have "Lid" in it as well as include "Lie" in it when said out loud. (That "joke" is about as lame and insulting as Biden as President.)

Posted by: Slappy at October 01, 2020 01:13 PM (BsrgJ)

467 Captain Hate-Even Ted Cruz being interviewed by Fredo Cuomo last night shit the bed on this Proud Boy thing. Ted said he has denounced the Proud Boys a long time ago. Not even Ted has done his research. Real opportunity to throw this back in the lefts face.
Posted by: JROD at October 01, 2020 01:10 PM (0jZnq)

Damn. No excuse for Ted getting that wrong.

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 01, 2020 01:13 PM (y7DUB)

468 This is the Soviet ambassador to the UN denying the KAL 007 shoot-down.

Things have been bad for a while.

But at least to me, we are now on a qualitatively new level of systemic mendacity and Soviet-like distortion of reality, when it comes to "news".
Posted by: rhomboid

Baghdad Bob.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 01, 2020 01:13 PM (RkYsP)

469 431 Chris Wallace on an outing with Epstein, of course

https://tinyurl.com/y4yjyn3l

Posted by: Blago at October 01, 2020 01:09 PM (gkdnV)

That's George Clooney.

Posted by: Tami at October 01, 2020 01:13 PM (cF8AT)

470 Noood...

Posted by: browndog at October 01, 2020 01:13 PM (BgMrQ)

471 Next debate sponsored by Speedo.

Posted by: klaftern at October 01, 2020 01:13 PM (RuIsu)

472 Or are these people just cardboard, with no actual substance? Easily replaceable.

***

Their job is to read off of a teleprompter and look serious. Certainly a significant portion of the population can do both those things.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 01, 2020 01:14 PM (qlFIA)

473 461 She wants to do it at home (cheaper and not around people), but she's just not spinning up the videos, putting on the pants, and rolling out the mat cause she doesn't feel like it at the moment.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at October 01, 2020 01:10 PM (UWqZJ)
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Can you take the boys somewhere for an hour so she would have some uninterrupted time to do it?

Also, can you get her outside to go for a walk in the fresh air once in a while?
Posted by: bluebell at October 01, 2020 01:13 PM (/669Q)

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I take care of the boys all the dang time. She's just unmotivated.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at October 01, 2020 01:14 PM (UWqZJ)

474 This is just a fantastic post. And though I promised yesterday to tune in and see if TuCa criticized Wallace, I didn't make it. Glad to hear he figured out a work-around, if as stated above he had the unstoppable Mark Steyn on to lay into Wallace.

Posted by: motionview at October 01, 2020 01:14 PM (pYQR/)

475 >>>What in the ACTUAL FUCK? How does Trump agree to this shit?

So he can point it out live on air during the debate.

Posted by: davidt at October 01, 2020 01:14 PM (l3+k2)

476 Perhaps Wallace is less a tool of the Dems/Left, and more a tool of the GOPe.

Posted by: davidt at October 01, 2020 01:07 PM (l3+k2)

If you have read the Codevilla piece at American Mind, which I am going to make you slackers hunt the link for,

This isn't a battle between Right and Left. It IS an ideological battle. And it will come to blows, regardless. The Civil War may turn out to be 'most civil' in comparison.

Posted by: GnuBreed at October 01, 2020 01:14 PM (Z4rgH)

477 My favorites picked off the trees.
Posted by: Captain Hate at October 01, 2020 01:11 PM (y7DUB)
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You are a man of great taste, but we already knew that.

Posted by: bluebell at October 01, 2020 01:14 PM (/669Q)

478 Those 60 something and 70 something people were formerly dirty smelly hippies.

Posted by: Weaning is hard at October 01, 2020 01:14 PM (2DOZq)

479 Offer to do it with her. Sans pants.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at October 01, 2020 01:11 PM (NWiLs)

Watching a dude with no pants on do yoga is like watching an elephant take a dump.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 01, 2020 01:14 PM (6FeV1)

480 I don't disagree. But what I'm saying is he doesn't
think of himself as one. He thinks of himself as a moderate/centrist
because in his DC/NY MSM bubble leftists opinions are centrist.

Posted by: Asshoes at October 01, 2020 01:04 PM (22mNy)

I've seen this phenomenon before, where the hard leftist, police-defunding, democrat domestic terrorism supporting leftist describes themselves as center-left.

It is laughable, sure, but it is a truly held delusion in those bubbles that result inthe only disagreement being how far left is an appropriate course for the country.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 01, 2020 01:14 PM (KnJdm)

481 She wants to do it at home (cheaper and not around people), but she's just not spinning up the videos, putting on the pants, and rolling out the mat cause she doesn't feel like it at the moment.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at October 01, 2020 01:10 PM (UWqZJ)

that's depression. Clinically depressed people find it impossible to do the things necessary to help them get out of the emotional pit their in; it's an up by their bootstraps problem. Of course it's hard for you, being her partner.

I say that as someone who's been married to a wife who, at various times, has been through severe periods of clinical depression. It's real hard on everyone else in the house.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 01, 2020 01:14 PM (Kpl3J)

482 I don't understand why anyone reasonable thinks rudeness is a problem. Trump has spent the last four years being persecuted. Why should he be civil?

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at October 01, 2020 01:14 PM (H5knJ)

483 And again, here's Chris Wallace angrily telling a conservative woman to shut up. Mollie Hemingway said that the Mueller Report had found nothing connecting Trump to Russia -- which had been reported in advance of the release of the full report.

Hehe, conservative women for Trump.
Must eat him alive inside.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 01, 2020 01:14 PM (rjE57)

484 Ted said he has denounced the Proud Boys a long time ago. Not even Ted has done his research. Real opportunity to throw this back in the lefts face.
Posted by: JROD

______________

You can't align yourself with groups that can go rogue. Like I wouldn't be mad if Reagan didn't partner with the John Birch Society, they started out being solid but went cuckoo saying shit like Eisenhower as a USSR agent and fluoride in the water, etc.

I tend to think the Proud Boys is something like the "Guardian Angels" in the late 70s, but you just never know. I'd keep my distance. And these groups don't need politician endorsement anyway.

Posted by: Blago at October 01, 2020 01:14 PM (gkdnV)

485 nood biden not condemning antifa

Posted by: andycanuck at October 01, 2020 01:14 PM (an7Mv)

486 Speaking of apple pie: My wife is bugging me to make her one.

With the way I've conquered making bread, pizza and mac n cheese, she figures I can also do an apple pie.

I don't have the heart to tell her it's all in the crust and I'm not sure I can pull it off. I suspect, TDG will have some handy tips on pie crust.

Anyway, I've told the lovely Mrs. Blake apple pie will happen once it cools off in the Central Valley.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at October 01, 2020 01:15 PM (WEBkv)

487 I don't remember the age of your baby, but post partum can kick in for quite a while, and it can be powerful.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 01, 2020 01:08 PM (Kpl3J)

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Can you still have it at 57? Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Lady in Black, for real at October 01, 2020 01:15 PM (O+I8R)

488 Chris Wallace is another never-trumper who is also a jew like goldberg and podhoretz and kristol and little bennie until he saw the wind blowing against the neocons.

Posted by: TrumpedUP at October 01, 2020 01:15 PM (2Xl1i)

489 Fox would show news and points of view the others would refuse to show or cover. He said in his last couple of years there it really started to change. Those in charge wanted to be like the others, be more acceptable to the media critics, fit in with the rest of them.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 01, 2020 01:11 PM (KV7lx)

Good...then they can fit in with their ratings too.

Posted by: Tami at October 01, 2020 01:15 PM (cF8AT)

490 I would suspect more people have been arrested for antifa/BLM violence over the last few months then are members of any "white supremacist" groups in the US.

Clinton made destroying such groups a priority and succeeded.

A model that Trump should have used with antifa/BLM

Posted by: 18-1 at October 01, 2020 01:15 PM (qlFIA)

491 I take care of the boys all the dang time. She's just unmotivated.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at October 01, 2020 01:14 PM (UWqZJ)
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I'm sure you do, but do you actually get them out of the house? There are lots of ways to make excuses not to do something that is good for you. I should know.

Posted by: bluebell at October 01, 2020 01:16 PM (/669Q)

492 Wallace will naturally pay for private security. The same as vigilantism tbh, but considered more legit for the wealthy.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 01, 2020 01:06 PM (rjE57)

That is a very good point.

Ask Wallace if the Non Police Guards, on his building, are vigilantes?

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 01, 2020 01:16 PM (NgKpN)

493 37 21 Steve Scully - moderator 2nd Presidential Debate
"While attending college, he served as an intern in the office of Delaware Sen. Joseph R. Biden,"
Rigged system?

___

What in the ACTUAL FUCK? How does Trump agree to this shit?
Posted by: Asshoes

Trump can bring up the Biden internship if Scully gets too partisan.

Posted by: troyriser at October 01, 2020 01:16 PM (OLtrr)

494 481 that's depression. Clinically depressed people find it impossible to do the things necessary to help them get out of the emotional pit their in; it's an up by their bootstraps problem. Of course it's hard for you, being her partner.

I say that as someone who's been married to a wife who, at various times, has been through severe periods of clinical depression. It's real hard on everyone else in the house.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 01, 2020 01:14 PM (Kpl3J)

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Looks like I have some work to do.

*does not look forward to doing yoga tonight*

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at October 01, 2020 01:16 PM (UWqZJ)

495 noodtifa

Posted by: vmom 2020 - Grow Up and Vote for Trump by Eddie Scarry at October 01, 2020 01:17 PM (nUhF0)

496 491 I take care of the boys all the dang time. She's just unmotivated.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at October 01, 2020 01:14 PM (UWqZJ)
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I'm sure you do, but do you actually get them out of the house? There are lots of ways to make excuses not to do something that is good for you. I should know.

Posted by: bluebell at October 01, 2020 01:16 PM (/669Q)

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When they go to sleep tonight, I'm going to do yoga with her.

I'll have to be the one to start it, it seems.

The horde as convinced me because the horde is good.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at October 01, 2020 01:17 PM (UWqZJ)

497 I take care of the boys all the dang time. She's just unmotivated.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at October 01, 2020 01:14 PM (UWqZJ)

Sounds like post partum symptoms.

Posted by: Weaning is hard at October 01, 2020 01:17 PM (2DOZq)

498
I don't understand why anyone reasonable thinks rudeness is a problem.
***

Most of the people making that argument just want Trump, and more importantly Trump voters, to submit.

And "politeness" is a sign of that. Think about it, in China if a member of the CCP demands you something do you give them a rude answer back? Well...not if you want to live.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 01, 2020 01:17 PM (qlFIA)

499 The problem with Wallace and the rest is they want answers to things that concern THEM or they believe will get them kudos from the journalist horde. So they ask questions like, "What did you mean on Sept. 12th when you said..." Well, Chris, doesn't it matter what the candidate said on the same subject on every other day of this year? I believe it does.

One way for the moderators to run these things is to ask open ended questions. For example, "Mr. Biden, please describe how you would work to ensure violent protests for any cause are swiftly stopped by law enforcement, and that the perpetrators are arrested and prosecuted. I will give you four minutes, ask follow-up questions, then your ooponent will be given four minutes to respond."

Or something like that. I guess the Media Royalty think that's simply letting the candidates recite their standard campaign spiel on a subject. That's FINE. Most people haven't heard that spiel. And the other candidate gets to respond in real-time, for all to hear.

Posted by: Gref at October 01, 2020 01:17 PM (AMIL/)

500 Offer to do it with her. Sans pants.
Posted by: Insomniac

Down dog sans pants.
Also known as Child Support Payments position.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 01, 2020 01:18 PM (RkYsP)

501 Global warming is as big of a concern for most voters right now as the missile gap or British impressment of American sailors.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 01, 2020 01:18 PM (qlFIA)

502 I am getting sick and tired of Chris Wallace. The same goes for Brett Baer and his airhead sidekick Martha McCallum.

Questions for Little Chris Wallace:

1. Why do you have little patience for conservative women?

2. Do you think you are better than women?

3. Do you believe women should be journalists?

4. Why are you paid more than all of the women on Fox News?

5. Will you disavow male chauvinists?

After he answers the questions, ask them 17 more times, like Trump has to.

F you Wallace.

Posted by: Jesus Built my Hotrod at October 01, 2020 01:19 PM (JtRzJ)

503 He has been showing more and more partisan animus for the past three years. He literally yells at women on TV.

He decided to go out with a blaze of glory for the benefit of the Democrat Party, of which he was a member.

Because he realized he is worthless and does not have any real power. Trump won. And he'll win again no matter what the old angry grumpy Wallace does or says. You lose Chrissy.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 01, 2020 01:19 PM (rjE57)

504 The Right seems afraid of the Proud Boys. This is significant.
Posted by: tubal at October 01, 2020 01:11 PM (bCLt0)

Proud Boys is like Tea Party (although nowhere near as large), there's the actual group, and then there's the slime being heaped by corporate media to smear ANYONE who stands up to the lefty street thugs.

So any time anyone ever does anything icky, the media screams PROUD BOYS/WHITE SUPREMACISTS!! And the squishier folks on the right turn up their noses.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 01, 2020 01:19 PM (hku12)

505 >>> wow, big post
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 01, 2020 01:02 PM (rjE57)

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That's what she... oh, wait. .

Posted by: swingin' for the downs at October 01, 2020 01:19 PM (t+7Up)

506 366----The over 80 crowd isn't aware of what Democrats have become.....

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at October 01, 2020 01:00 PM (WEBkv)
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I don't buy that.
These are people who witnessed firsthand the shift in the 60's and 70's, when the New Left changed the Dem Party into an anti-American, radical organization. They lived through the era when the once-beloved farmers and workers were suddenly vilified as rednecks and hardhats, when cops became pigs and soldiers became baby-killers.

A solid majority voted for Reagan.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at October 01, 2020 01:19 PM (M/9m0)

507 I'll have to be the one to start it, it seems.

The horde as convinced me because the horde is good.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at October 01, 2020 01:17 PM (UWqZJ)
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Good for you. Maybe you'll actually enjoy it! And of course, if you sprain something, you know where to come for medical advice.

Posted by: bluebell at October 01, 2020 01:19 PM (/669Q)

508 I'd let Steve Scully moderate.

Then I'd make my opening statement this: "Thank you for the honor of being here, I appreciate it, and thank you too Steve, for working for Joe as a staffer all of those years. I'm sure that everyone here and the American people can be confident that you'll in no way be influenced by any sentiment toward the man who employed you for your first big job in Washington. After all, considering how closely media and Democrats are linked elsewhere, this almost seems like small potatoes, right?"

And let Scully try to interrupt.

Posted by: Oldstoke at October 01, 2020 01:19 PM (sb+Cg)

509 Eisenhower wasn't a Soviet agent but he was a useful idiot IMHO.

Posted by: Weaning is hard at October 01, 2020 01:20 PM (2DOZq)

510 OMG - that picture - hilarious!

Posted by: Liz at October 01, 2020 01:21 PM (Wv/W7)

511
Can you at least go on drives, get out on some nature trails away from people. Just getting new scenery and fresh air does wonders. That's how our family got out of the COVID funk.
Posted by: Lizzy at October 01, 2020

*
*

In some places in America, unpleasant summer is not over. Da Swamp for instance is having a little dry spell, dry as in less humid, but the swampiness will be back. I wouldn't want to go out only to sweat my face off during the heat of the day.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 01, 2020 01:23 PM (Ejm1K)

512 Oh, since I am so awesome at the predicting game:

Judge Sullivan is going to sentence Flynn on November 2. I cannot decide if he will go with no jail so that appeals look petty and useless, or if he goes for the max (like the 7 or 8 years the SCO lawyers were trying for). I am thinking the max forces Trump to pardon or looks worse for Trump, so I am starting to lean that way.

I see commentary from lots of judiciary and lawyer types that the DC Court of Appeals was trying to give Sullivan a face saving way to get out of his situation by reversing the writ of mandamus and telling him to act in all dispatch.

They seem to be operating on the basis that the Court of Appeals is operating as a Court and not a partisan body.

Because if they wanted to have Sullivan go ahead and grant the motion to dismiss, they would have said so. Not as a mandate, they would have said, look, you are a judge, not a prosecutor, your little circus is not authorized by any precedent or rules or anything at all.

Posted by: blaster at October 01, 2020 01:23 PM (ZfRYq)

513 What did you expect from a Red diaper baby?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 01, 2020 01:24 PM (YqDXo)

514 If the moderator of the second debate once worked in a Biden office, he should gdamn disclose it at the beginning of the debate.

WTF is going on here?

Posted by: Jesus Built my Hotrod at October 01, 2020 01:25 PM (acl3b)

515 I was blown away in the debate when Wallace asked Trump to condemn the violence and Trump said he did condemn it and it needs to stop and Wallace something to the effect od "do it then "

WTF is a debate moderator saying shit like that to The President

Posted by: Hatari Somewhere on Ventura Highway at October 01, 2020 01:27 PM (iWIqo)

516 I'm calling a Biden for the day. That only involves repeatedly yelling "C'mon, man!!!" while you sit on the toilet until your legs fall asleep but at least it doesn't involve white supremacists, Proud Boys, or that Antifa "idea."

Posted by: A Lid at October 01, 2020 01:30 PM (BsrgJ)

517 The first thing that Joe Biden said at the beginning the the debate was when he said "Good luck" almost under his breath as he began his answer, while looking down concentrating, basically repeating what the staffer said to him over the wire. Check it out.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn DA 1977 at October 01, 2020 01:31 PM (kfcYC)

518
If Levin and the others are being ordered not to badmouth Wallace, and they comply, then what does that say about their character? Especially if they continue to stay on for the money.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 01, 2020 12:37 PM (s2VJv)

There's the element of wanting to stay with a venue that reaches a large portion of the population in order to spread the conservative message.

Would you wear a mask in order remain on your job even though you know the whole WuFlu thing is a scam?

Posted by: Justsayin' at October 01, 2020 01:32 PM (Fs5vw)

519 I don't think Wallace will wait til next year, if Trump wins in November. He'll stroke out and be in a home by December.

Posted by: Iblis at October 01, 2020 01:37 PM (9221z)

520 I was going to make a quick comment, but 500 + commenters before me (and too many of them simply playing gotcha games or who logged in first).

This was a quote from a 2012 article on CW and his mentor...

"It was great, it was everything you would imagine it would be, great food, great wine, and great talk," Wallace dished to Politico afterward.

" 'You know we talked about his business, we talked about my business. The only thing that ticked me off is that [Clooney] may be smarter about politics and know more about it than I do,' admitted the veteran news anchor. "

Posted by: JCW at October 01, 2020 01:37 PM (7xjmm)

521 Wallace seems to have bought hook, line, and sinker, the falsehood that Rittenhouse was a Vigilante who initiated the violence that night despite significant evidence to the contrary. Or, he knows better and is lying about it. Either way it's not a good look for a supposed journalist.

Posted by: Formerly known as Skeptic at October 01, 2020 01:37 PM (FR+I0)

522 #339 - Ditto, ditto. We are on the same wave length.
I was a Cruz-er in the 2016 election cycle, but when Trump showed up at that debate with the Clinton women, all reservations I had went right out the window. I am thrilled to death we have a guy with a backbone. I don't really care what he tweets!

Posted by: Liz at October 01, 2020 01:50 PM (Wv/W7)

523 Wallace looks like he chews his applesauce

Posted by: George Will's Punchable Face at October 01, 2020 01:52 PM (6MoD2)

524 I love 2020.

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Posted by: Throuple Voter at October 01, 2020 02:11 PM (BBWrU)

525 Hey Wallface when will you finaly use your mind instead of your mouth?

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at October 01, 2020 04:33 PM (FLiOE)

526 In civilization, citizens DELEGATE law enforcement to professionals, but they do not give up their duty as citizens to enforce law if it is required by circumstances--as was the case in Kenosha. (Also see current-day Minneapolis and the Korean acts during the LA Rodney King riots.
This duty is a result of natural law's Common Good, which produces the moral obligation we all have to assist family, friends, and neighbors who are in need. (It also flows from and expands on the law of self-defense; this is the reason for the Armed Forces in international matters.) The Founders short-handed all that with the phrase ".......life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

Not that long ago, the town constable or county Sheriff organized posses of citizens to locate and bring malefactors to justice. Citizens still perform "citizen's arrests" albeit rarely, and reporting criminal activity is very common. ALL these functions are corollaries.
Wallace is far from the only Democrat and/or NeverTrumper to decry 'vigilantism' as an unmitigated evil, totally unjustified, yadayada, and all of them are wrong on the theory and the history. God help them when the SHTF in their neighborhood. "Vigilantes" may be suddenly busy elsewhere.

Posted by: dad29 at October 01, 2020 04:46 PM (mzJmr)

527 Here's a video of Chris Wallace insulting Congresswoman Michele Bachmann. Wallace hates Republicans, especially conservative Republicans and ESPECIALLY female conservative Republicans:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjdeRHoSaeI

Posted by: devan95 at October 01, 2020 07:04 PM (kC+1/)

528 What makes Wallace one of the biggest assholes of the bunch is that for months he's been bitching that Biden won't come on his show. He's tried to act like he wanted to grill him just like he grilled Trump, and then when he gets the chance to ask him a question he just completely lets Biden walk all over him.

Posted by: Rbastid at October 01, 2020 07:36 PM (BAIB1)

529 Jesus, what a shameless dipshit. Volunteering to join your fellow citizens in guarding them against criminals makes you a vigilante? may that maggot rot in hell.

Posted by: ccoffer at October 01, 2020 08:14 PM (78der)

530 ♥ Test

Posted by: Markle Hillary 2024 at October 02, 2020 12:47 AM (2Q2wi)

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