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Gun Thread: M1 Carbine Edition [Weasel]
Always of considerable interest to me is the list of companies who produced rifles and other war materiel under wartime contract. Manufacturers of the M1 Carbine included: - Inland Division, General Motors
- Winchester Repeating Arms
- Irwin-Pedersen
- Saginaw Steering Gear Division, General Motors
- Underwood Elliot Fisher
- National Postal Meter
- Quality Hardware Manufacturing Corp.
- International Business Machines
- Standard Products
- Rock-Ola Manufacturing Corporation
- Commercial Controls Corporation Does anyone else find the wartime production conversions from automobiles, typewriters, postal meters and juke boxes to rifles interesting? American Rifleman: M1 Carbine
Book: M1 Carbine Wartime Production
Book: M1 Carbine Owners Guide
War Department Field Manual - U.S. Carbine, Caliber .30, M1
Book: M1 Carbine Assembly/Disassembly/Maintenance Manual Sight Radius
In the video, I mentioned sight radius and gave an over-simplified explanation of the concept. It's a topic which is little more involved than I described, and applies to all weapons with iron sights, both handguns and rifles, alike. It also happens to tie in nicely with the discussion we've been having lately on iron sights and making adjustments to them. To clarify a point I made in the video, a weapon with a longer sight radius is not inherently more accurate but it makes it easier to shoot them more accurately than a weapon with a shorter sight radius. Small inaccuracies in sight alignment have a greater effect on target when using a shorter sight radius. Make sense? The New Rifleman - Sight Radius
Shooting Range Industries - Sight Radius and the Effect on Accuracy
Pew Pew Tactical - Sight Radius: Why Does it Matter?
USA Carry - Sight Radius These are just a few articles on the subject and I'm certain anyone interested in exploring the concept can find others.
Went shooting this past week at my sister's place. First day off in 18 months and this trip was still delayed three times since early-August. Hurricane Sally still came while I was out there. Here's my sister shooting a 60-year old Remington Scoremaster model 511 that's been by her back porch for a couple decades in case of a brave coyote. Leaning against the table is a Ruger 556 with discontinued Nikon 4-12x40 Coyote-special brush-camo scope that we got a great deal on from the clearance table. Isn't that a great set-up? Steel plate at 100yds, paper at 50 and 25yds. Pink spray-painted steel plates for the pistols.That sure is a great setup! Nothing quite like having a place to shoot of your own. I had to buy a damn farm to have that! Thanks for sending this to us Brian in New Orleans!
A friend of my wife's has a son, in his 40's, who had never been around guns thanks to Dad but married a woman who had. He then got a gun safe and a collection of handguns which he decided to clean one day. I'm told that there were 3 identical pistols, probably semi autos then, that he had out to clean. It seems that one was loaded and the other two were not. He violated the first rule of gun safety, and began cleaning the loaded pistol. It discharged and the bullet struck the gun safe, ricocheting back and putting out one eye. He is unemployed and has no medical insurance. There is one life ruined. Naturally, my wife was in a panic about our own situation and I should be ashamed to say that I laughed at her. I told her that ALL of my handguns are loaded, both in and out of the safe, and even if they weren't I would treat them as if they were. I said that what happened with her friend's son was never going to happen here since I follow the rules of gun safety. I do clean guns frequently and have done so for over 40 years without mishap. Note that my long guns do not have a round in the chamber even though the magazine may be loaded.I am fairly OCD when it comes to making certain a firearm is unloaded before I start to do anything with it, and even then always treat them as though they're loaded. Please, please, please make sure you follow the safety rules when handling any firearm. The eyeball you save may be your own. The rules aren't complicated. Follow them. - Treat all guns as if they are always loaded.
- Never let the muzzle point at anything you are not willing to destroy.
- Be sure of your target and what is behind it.
- Keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot. Thanks for the reminder, WTM!
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Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 27, 2020 07:44 PM (uyKdz)
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Whoo hoo M1 carbine
Posted by: Skip at September 27, 2020 07:44 PM (OjZpE)
Posted by: vmom 2020 - Grow Up and Vote for Trump by Eddie Scarry at September 27, 2020 07:44 PM (nUhF0)
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Carbine Williams was a decent movie.
Posted by: Weaning is hard at September 27, 2020 07:45 PM (2DOZq)
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Bang bang!
Posted by: eastofsuez at September 27, 2020 07:46 PM (PwKhf)
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Wow, reading the company's that produced the M1 Carbine, IBM? National Postal Meter?
Very interesting.
Very interesting.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 27, 2020 07:47 PM (uyKdz)
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I waited two weeks to see the GT, and then it wasn't there! Bad juju.
Long story short- major cardiac event on September 12, then triple bypass surgery on the 16th. Got discharged this past Friday. Still a real hurting puppy. No range time for a good while for me, I'm afraid.
So I will live vicariously through your exploits.
Long story short- major cardiac event on September 12, then triple bypass surgery on the 16th. Got discharged this past Friday. Still a real hurting puppy. No range time for a good while for me, I'm afraid.
So I will live vicariously through your exploits.
Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at September 27, 2020 07:51 PM (bAe71)
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Thank you Weasel for putting this stuff together. Always good reading and thinking.
Posted by: Carpe Manana at September 27, 2020 07:51 PM (iVYJf)
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Went to the range with BIL and number 2 son to zero in their rifles.
Num2 has a new (gifted) .308, has never hunted, and was drawn for bull elk. He zeroed with the BIL using his scope to identify where the bullets were going.
BIL has newly rebuilt .308, new scope, and has been hunting for more years than I've known him. His new scope was right on the money (he had dialed in in his garage) and when he adjusted the scope from 4x to 9x the cross hairs didn't move, unlike his last scope that was thrown out. He is very pleased.
We went through some 9mm in the kel-tek, .357 and .38 in the Rossi92 and the six shooter.
A good time was had by all.
Num2 has a new (gifted) .308, has never hunted, and was drawn for bull elk. He zeroed with the BIL using his scope to identify where the bullets were going.
BIL has newly rebuilt .308, new scope, and has been hunting for more years than I've known him. His new scope was right on the money (he had dialed in in his garage) and when he adjusted the scope from 4x to 9x the cross hairs didn't move, unlike his last scope that was thrown out. He is very pleased.
We went through some 9mm in the kel-tek, .357 and .38 in the Rossi92 and the six shooter.
A good time was had by all.
Posted by: AZ deplorably isolated at September 27, 2020 07:52 PM (gtatv)
Posted by: Old Blue at September 27, 2020 07:52 PM (VNmG1)
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I don't understand anyone who would handle a gun as unloaded who hadn't previously automatically racked the slide or charging handle a couple of times out of habit at the minimum of a check list.
Posted by: Weaning is hard at September 27, 2020 07:52 PM (2DOZq)
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Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at September 27, 2020 07:51 PM (bAe71)
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Damn, man! Hope you're on the mend!
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Damn, man! Hope you're on the mend!
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 07:52 PM (MVjcR)
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Carbines are about my favorite gun, though it is a toss up with the Garand. I have 2 M1 Inland carbines, one 43 with all early features. The second is a 44 from CMP with late features. The barrel is offset a bit to the left, so you have to have the rear sight most of the way over.
My 14 year old son has claimed the 44. I put it in a chote folding stock (the potbelly beech stock from its time in Italy has a horrible finish). I tried an ulitmak barrel mount rail system but it gets too hot. It's fully reversible but looks really cool in the choate. Just shot it two weeks age.
My 14 year old son has claimed the 44. I put it in a chote folding stock (the potbelly beech stock from its time in Italy has a horrible finish). I tried an ulitmak barrel mount rail system but it gets too hot. It's fully reversible but looks really cool in the choate. Just shot it two weeks age.
Posted by: Keith Reid at September 27, 2020 07:53 PM (jdGlx)
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Thought I'd drop this in here. There's an auction at the Goodwill online site for a lot of 5 Bucheimer & Boyt Rifle & Pistol Gun Cases up for grabs, current bid of $39. Ends in a little over an hour.
https://tinyurl.com/yydh49vt
https://tinyurl.com/yydh49vt
Posted by: One of the quiet ones at September 27, 2020 07:53 PM (3GzTP)
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Posted by: Carpe Manana at September 27, 2020 07:51 PM (iVYJf)
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You're welcome! Thanks for reading!
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You're welcome! Thanks for reading!
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 07:53 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: JT at September 27, 2020 07:54 PM (arJlL)
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Just a horrible story about the accident, but sadly there is a long list of people's lives ruined by accidental discharges.
I love guns. Always have. And I love to shoot them.
I'm also scared of them. That is to say I have a healthy fear of what they are capable of and it keeps me on my toes.
Same as the dude who handles dynamite for a living.
I love guns. Always have. And I love to shoot them.
I'm also scared of them. That is to say I have a healthy fear of what they are capable of and it keeps me on my toes.
Same as the dude who handles dynamite for a living.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 27, 2020 07:55 PM (kTi97)
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My mom had an M-1 carbine. The stock was cut down for her. Got stolen out of my house in Portland in the early 70s. Never heard anything back from the cops about it. The thieves missed the .357 next to the bed, under a book.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 27, 2020 07:55 PM (YynYJ)
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Hey Weasel, how many rounds would have to go through the carbine before it should be replaced? Is there a criteria one would use?
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 27, 2020 07:55 PM (uyKdz)
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Top ten and I watched the video?
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at September 27, 2020 07:56 PM (JUOKG)
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Van Owen, take it easy and feel better!!
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 27, 2020 07:56 PM (uyKdz)
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If you need to feed your carbine, SGAmmo still has south korean suplus ball, strippers and bandoliers, in ammo cans, 1980s vintage, for a reasonable price, imo.
Palmetto state had it, too, but don't know if they still do.
Palmetto state had it, too, but don't know if they still do.
Posted by: eastofsuez at September 27, 2020 07:56 PM (PwKhf)
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Good video, kept stopping a split second but continued right away.
Posted by: Skip at September 27, 2020 07:56 PM (OjZpE)
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19 Hey Weasel, how many rounds would have to go through the carbine before it should be replaced? Is there a criteria one would use?
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 27, 2020 07:55 PM (uyKdz)
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Good question, and it really depends on the caliber. My match barrels last as little as 800 rounds, but a normal rifle would be in the thousands.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 27, 2020 07:55 PM (uyKdz)
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Good question, and it really depends on the caliber. My match barrels last as little as 800 rounds, but a normal rifle would be in the thousands.
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 07:57 PM (MVjcR)
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Saginaw Steering also made M1 carbines, that plant was bought by the Chinese and is called Nexteer. I don't think they're making weapons anymore.
Posted by: clutch at September 27, 2020 07:57 PM (9UmRs)
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Thanks for the gun thread, Weasel! The M1 carbine really is a ton of fun, isn't it?
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 27, 2020 07:59 PM (NWiLs)
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Rockola was the founders name, not really a play on words for Jukebox. They made all kinds of varied stuff over the years, but are justifiably well known for their Jukeboxes.
I remember firing an M2 .50 aka "Ma Deuce" (if you wanna sound hip!) for annual training that was made by the Frigidaire corp. if memory serves.
The National Postal Meter .30 carbines have a premium on them compared to others with collectors because they didn't make a whole bunch of them.
I remember firing an M2 .50 aka "Ma Deuce" (if you wanna sound hip!) for annual training that was made by the Frigidaire corp. if memory serves.
The National Postal Meter .30 carbines have a premium on them compared to others with collectors because they didn't make a whole bunch of them.
Posted by: Common Tater at September 27, 2020 07:59 PM (25nrF)
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19 Hey Weasel, how many rounds would have to go through the carbine before it should be replaced? Is there a criteria one would use?
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 27, 2020 07:55 PM (uyKdz)
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For a 30 cal I'd guess 5000 rounds or more? Something like that. There are muzzle wear gauges that are used to assess wear.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 27, 2020 07:55 PM (uyKdz)
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For a 30 cal I'd guess 5000 rounds or more? Something like that. There are muzzle wear gauges that are used to assess wear.
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 07:59 PM (MVjcR)
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I am fairly OCD when it comes to making certain a firearm is unloaded before I start to do anything with it, and even then always treat them as though they're loaded. Please, please, please make sure you follow the safety rules when handling any firearm. The eyeball you save may be your own. The rules aren't complicated. Follow them.
There is a PSA making the rounds on the radio from TX DPS about making sure you store your firearms unloaded, preceded by a mom telling a story about her college age son who did NOT follow the Four Iron Rules and got himself killed with a loaded gun.
I don't have kids so it's a little easier, admittedly, but ALL my guns are loaded, round in chamber, because the bad guys are not going to pause and allow me to load. They are all out of sight and all are loaded and will remain that way. For the safety of yourself and others you HAVE to behave as if ALL guns are loaded.
Guns are very much like cars in this respect: you respect them, they will respect you. If you don't, you can, and in all likelihood, will, get bit in the ass, and you aren't going to get asecond chance to make up for it.
There is a PSA making the rounds on the radio from TX DPS about making sure you store your firearms unloaded, preceded by a mom telling a story about her college age son who did NOT follow the Four Iron Rules and got himself killed with a loaded gun.
I don't have kids so it's a little easier, admittedly, but ALL my guns are loaded, round in chamber, because the bad guys are not going to pause and allow me to load. They are all out of sight and all are loaded and will remain that way. For the safety of yourself and others you HAVE to behave as if ALL guns are loaded.
Guns are very much like cars in this respect: you respect them, they will respect you. If you don't, you can, and in all likelihood, will, get bit in the ass, and you aren't going to get asecond chance to make up for it.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 27, 2020 07:59 PM (4JLkY)
Posted by: JT at September 27, 2020 07:59 PM (arJlL)
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The Winchester .30 caliber round looks like a pistol round and is the reason I have always associated carbines as pistol caliber rifles. Of course carbine refers to barrel length but that doesn't stop me. 
Posted by: Weaning is hard at September 27, 2020 07:59 PM (2DOZq)
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Good question, and it really depends on the caliber.
My match barrels last as little as 800 rounds, but a normal rifle
would be in the thousands.
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 07:57 PM (MVjcR)
Thanks. I know I am many rounds away from even considering such a thing for either my rifle or handgun. I am keeping track on how many rounds go through both.
My match barrels last as little as 800 rounds, but a normal rifle
would be in the thousands.
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 07:57 PM (MVjcR)
Thanks. I know I am many rounds away from even considering such a thing for either my rifle or handgun. I am keeping track on how many rounds go through both.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 27, 2020 08:00 PM (uyKdz)
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Posted by: eastofsuez at September 27, 2020 07:56 PM (PwKhf)
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I saw that at SG Ammo! Looked like a good deal.
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I saw that at SG Ammo! Looked like a good deal.
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 08:00 PM (MVjcR)
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Scored a Marlin Camp Carbine in 9mm the other day form the pawn shop for $600 with 3 magazines.
I have been wanting one for a couple of decades since they quit making them and have never come across one when I had the $$$ and they were selling for a reasonable price.
My next quest is one in .45acp.
I have been wanting one for a couple of decades since they quit making them and have never come across one when I had the $$$ and they were selling for a reasonable price.
My next quest is one in .45acp.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at September 27, 2020 08:00 PM (JUOKG)
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26 Thanks for the gun thread, Weasel! The M1 carbine really is a ton of fun, isn't it?
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 27, 2020 07:59 PM (NWiLs)
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My pleasure, Insom. They sure are fun!
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 27, 2020 07:59 PM (NWiLs)
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My pleasure, Insom. They sure are fun!
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 08:01 PM (MVjcR)
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Brian assures us the beer bottle was for the photographer, not one of the shooters!
Well it's a Bud Light bottle, so maybe he was doing the traditional thing black powder shooters are rumored to do and pissing down the barrel to clean it. Using it straight from the bottle saves you the discomfort of having to drink it first.
Well it's a Bud Light bottle, so maybe he was doing the traditional thing black powder shooters are rumored to do and pissing down the barrel to clean it. Using it straight from the bottle saves you the discomfort of having to drink it first.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at September 27, 2020 08:01 PM (qc+VF)
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Two tales of not clearing your weapon before cleaning. Dad was an MP in the AF. He loaned his .45 to another MP (his was in the armory for some odd reason). He got it back and decided to clean it, but only dropped the magazine. He didn't know that the other guy had racked a round. It went off and he shot himself in the hand. It was weird because they had to put a pin in his hand to keep the knuckle from sliding out the wound, so his knuckle for his middle finger of his left hand was halfway to his wrist.
The other tale was a friend who was cleaning his revolver. He thought he had emptied the cylinder, but didn't count rounds or visually check to make sure it was empty. The gun went off and hit him in the head, killing him instantly. To this day I'm pretty anal about making sure there are no rounds in the firearm, even if someone else says it not loaded.
The other tale was a friend who was cleaning his revolver. He thought he had emptied the cylinder, but didn't count rounds or visually check to make sure it was empty. The gun went off and hit him in the head, killing him instantly. To this day I'm pretty anal about making sure there are no rounds in the firearm, even if someone else says it not loaded.
Posted by: Old Blue at September 27, 2020 08:03 PM (VNmG1)
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Thanks. I know I am many rounds away from even considering such a thing for either my rifle or handgun. I am keeping track on how many rounds go through both.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 27, 2020 08:00 PM (uyKdz)
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Not a bad practice, esp for the rifle.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 27, 2020 08:00 PM (uyKdz)
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Not a bad practice, esp for the rifle.
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 08:03 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: McGyver at September 27, 2020 08:03 PM (rJ1YP)
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Well it's a Bud Light bottle, so maybe he was doing the traditional thing black powder shooters are rumored to do and pissing down the barrel to clean it. Using it straight from the bottle saves you the discomfort of having to drink it first.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at September 27, 2020 08:01 PM (qc+VF)
Fun fact: Coors Light is also marketed as Evian.
Well it's a Bud Light bottle, so maybe he was doing the traditional thing black powder shooters are rumored to do and pissing down the barrel to clean it. Using it straight from the bottle saves you the discomfort of having to drink it first.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at September 27, 2020 08:01 PM (qc+VF)
Fun fact: Coors Light is also marketed as Evian.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 27, 2020 08:03 PM (4JLkY)
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Helluva lightning storm going on right now. My power's flickered on and off about 8 times in the past ten minutes.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 27, 2020 08:04 PM (uKHZJ)
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Love the video Weasel. Happy gun thread
Posted by: ck at September 27, 2020 08:05 PM (iBg56)
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That list of manufacturers is very interesting.
Rock-ola made juke boxes, iirc.
Rock-ola made juke boxes, iirc.
Posted by: navybrat waits and watches at September 27, 2020 08:05 PM (w7KSn)
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The same reason of the rear to front sight distance is why I always hated snub nose revolvers.
Posted by: Skip at September 27, 2020 08:06 PM (OjZpE)
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I seem to recall a friend who bought one for $50.00 at Sears, but I could live with this:
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Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 27, 2020 08:06 PM (bk3Sg)
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Thanks for the good wishes. I'm too ornery to kill this easy. Ironically, the day prior to my event, I received a case shipment of M1 carbine ammo from Bud's. I dropped it in the garage, and there it sits, since there is no way I can lift it to put in the ammo safe.
Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at September 27, 2020 08:06 PM (bAe71)
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Anyone care to opine on the supposed advantages of 5R rifling?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 27, 2020 08:06 PM (DMUuz)
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42 Love the video Weasel. Happy gun thread
Posted by: ck at September 27, 2020 08:05 PM (iBg56)
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Glad you liked it! Thanks!
Posted by: ck at September 27, 2020 08:05 PM (iBg56)
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Glad you liked it! Thanks!
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 08:07 PM (MVjcR)
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Has anyone here used one of those laser thingey's that supposedly help sight in your optics? A bore sight thing.... caliber specific.
I got a kit years ago and never paid any attention to it. Company is called "Sight + Mark". It was a freebie at a gun show I attended.
I got a kit years ago and never paid any attention to it. Company is called "Sight + Mark". It was a freebie at a gun show I attended.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 27, 2020 08:07 PM (3H9h1)
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Do you know where JT got that behind-the-seat storage?
Posted by: Toni at September 27, 2020 08:07 PM (/c+mq)
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Helluva lightning storm going on right now. My power's flickered on and off about 8 times in the past ten minutes.
Posted by: Insomniac
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It's global warming, Trump's fault.
Posted by: Insomniac
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It's global warming, Trump's fault.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 27, 2020 08:07 PM (bk3Sg)
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Over Columbus Day going to a hangout with some friends for a torque and recoil event. We are going to drive the Tail of the Dragon, and the place we are staying has a pistol range out back.
This will be fun!
This will be fun!
Posted by: blaster at September 27, 2020 08:08 PM (ZfRYq)
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.dot Gov would not go far wrong to commission a re-issue of the M-1 Carbine as an alternate to the M-4.
Inside any kind of armor, it would have superior handling qualities, and I'm quite certain that it's "button-ology" (safety and mag release) could be brought up to modern tactile and ergonomic standards.
Frankly, I don't think I've seen anyone NOT shoot the M-1 Carbine at least "fairly well". And that's with the legacy iron sights, 100% of the time.
Now if Kahr would make one adapted to the standard .357 Magnum round, I'd step right up and buy.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Inside any kind of armor, it would have superior handling qualities, and I'm quite certain that it's "button-ology" (safety and mag release) could be brought up to modern tactile and ergonomic standards.
Frankly, I don't think I've seen anyone NOT shoot the M-1 Carbine at least "fairly well". And that's with the legacy iron sights, 100% of the time.
Now if Kahr would make one adapted to the standard .357 Magnum round, I'd step right up and buy.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at September 27, 2020 08:08 PM (QzJWU)
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I enjoyed shooting an M1 at the range but it immediately made me think of the comparison of old classic cars to new cars.
Classic cars are amazing and beautiful to look at but they kind of suck in terms of modern amenities. Newer cars have better brakes, handling, etc.
I view the M1 in that same class. Fun to have but if I'm being honest, newer tech is just better.
That may not be a popular opinion but so be it.
Classic cars are amazing and beautiful to look at but they kind of suck in terms of modern amenities. Newer cars have better brakes, handling, etc.
I view the M1 in that same class. Fun to have but if I'm being honest, newer tech is just better.
That may not be a popular opinion but so be it.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 27, 2020 08:08 PM (kTi97)
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This fuxck dont give up.
Posted by: Menack at September 27, 2020 08:08 PM (buTO7)
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Hey I was just thinking I clear my gun like I put down my garage door when leaving the house. I wait until it closes all the way before I proceed on and then I turn my head to take a second look at it as I'm going around the corner .
Leaving your garage door open a couple of times teaches you. At least doing it didn't send me to the hospital or morgue .
Leaving your garage door open a couple of times teaches you. At least doing it didn't send me to the hospital or morgue .
Posted by: Weaning is hard at September 27, 2020 08:09 PM (2DOZq)
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Thanks for the good wishes. I'm too ornery to kill this easy. Ironically, the day prior to my event, I received a case shipment of M1 carbine ammo from Bud's. I dropped it in the garage, and there it sits, since there is no way I can lift it to put in the ammo safe.
Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen
It'll be there when you're ready to lift it.
Just follow the Dr.'s instructions, say your prayers and eat your vegetables and you'll be fine before you know it.
Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen
It'll be there when you're ready to lift it.
Just follow the Dr.'s instructions, say your prayers and eat your vegetables and you'll be fine before you know it.
Posted by: JT at September 27, 2020 08:09 PM (arJlL)
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51 Helluva lightning storm going on right now. My power's flickered on and off about 8 times in the past ten minutes.
Posted by: Insomniac
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It's global warming, Trump's fault.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 27, 2020 08:07 PM (bk3Sg)
Mr. Hammer, it's now "climate change", as all good, scientifically sound theories require good marketing.
By me? It's just windy. Today I WILL wear a mask, especially outdoors, because I have had too many respiratory issues this year to take chances otherwise. It is positively dusty here, especially now given the dry summer.
Posted by: Insomniac
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It's global warming, Trump's fault.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 27, 2020 08:07 PM (bk3Sg)
Mr. Hammer, it's now "climate change", as all good, scientifically sound theories require good marketing.
By me? It's just windy. Today I WILL wear a mask, especially outdoors, because I have had too many respiratory issues this year to take chances otherwise. It is positively dusty here, especially now given the dry summer.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 27, 2020 08:10 PM (4JLkY)
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49 Has anyone here used one of those laser thingey's that supposedly help sight in your optics? A bore sight thing.... caliber specific.
I got a kit years ago and never paid any attention to it. Company is called "Sight + Mark". It was a freebie at a gun show I attended.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 27, 2020 08:07 PM (3H9h1
Absolutely. But they are for getting you close, not zeroed in. Basically for bringing a new scope into as close as possible without rounds down range.
I got a kit years ago and never paid any attention to it. Company is called "Sight + Mark". It was a freebie at a gun show I attended.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 27, 2020 08:07 PM (3H9h1
Absolutely. But they are for getting you close, not zeroed in. Basically for bringing a new scope into as close as possible without rounds down range.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 27, 2020 08:10 PM (kTi97)
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Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 27, 2020 08:07 PM (3H9h1)
I tried using a bore sight laser for my rifle when I was at the 100 yard range. Problem with that was that I could not see the laser on the target at that distance. Probably should have brought the target closer.
I did use one for the red dot on my Sig. I did this at home with an empty magazine (obviously) and nothing in the chamber but a 9mm sized laser in the chamber. Stabilized the handgun and proceeded to move the red dot to where I wanted it.
I tried using a bore sight laser for my rifle when I was at the 100 yard range. Problem with that was that I could not see the laser on the target at that distance. Probably should have brought the target closer.
I did use one for the red dot on my Sig. I did this at home with an empty magazine (obviously) and nothing in the chamber but a 9mm sized laser in the chamber. Stabilized the handgun and proceeded to move the red dot to where I wanted it.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 27, 2020 08:11 PM (uyKdz)
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Has anyone here used one of those laser thingey's that supposedly help sight in your optics? A bore sight thing.... caliber specific.
I have a cheap one with expanding rubber plugs to center it in the bore. It's pretty much useless. The ones that fit in the chamber like a cartridge might be better.
I have a cheap one with expanding rubber plugs to center it in the bore. It's pretty much useless. The ones that fit in the chamber like a cartridge might be better.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at September 27, 2020 08:11 PM (qc+VF)
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Do you know where JT got that behind-the-seat storage?
Posted by: Toni
That's not mine (my vehicle is NOWHERE near that clean), I saw it online.
Posted by: Toni
That's not mine (my vehicle is NOWHERE near that clean), I saw it online.
Posted by: JT at September 27, 2020 08:11 PM (arJlL)
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Guns are very much like cars in this respect: you respect them, they will respect you. If you don't, you can, and in all likelihood, will, get bit in the ass, and you aren't going to get asecond chance to make up for it.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 27, 2020 07:59 PM (4JLkY)
Four rules are pretty simple and it is easy to safely handle them if they are followed. Most people deal with cars almost their whole lives and 'the rules' become 2nd nature. Not so with guns unless you grew up with them. Which I pretty much did.
I tell you what, being in formation and having port arms called freaked me out every time - guy next to you pointing his weapon pretty much right at your head.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 27, 2020 07:59 PM (4JLkY)
Four rules are pretty simple and it is easy to safely handle them if they are followed. Most people deal with cars almost their whole lives and 'the rules' become 2nd nature. Not so with guns unless you grew up with them. Which I pretty much did.
I tell you what, being in formation and having port arms called freaked me out every time - guy next to you pointing his weapon pretty much right at your head.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 27, 2020 08:11 PM (/Dgcm)
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Weasel, is that a farm or a jungle where you were shooting?
Good thread as usual. I'l be jumping in and out.
Good thread as usual. I'l be jumping in and out.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 27, 2020 08:11 PM (4JLkY)
Posted by: Menack at September 27, 2020 08:11 PM (buTO7)
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This thread smells like Hoppe's.
Posted by: Tonypete at September 27, 2020 08:11 PM (Rvt88)
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I'm pretty anal about making sure there are no rounds in the firearm, even if someone else says it not loaded.
Posted by: Old Blue
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I'm the only one who handles my firearms. I *know* that there are no chambered rounds...BUT...I never pick one up without checking to see if there is a round chambered.
Posted by: Old Blue
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I'm the only one who handles my firearms. I *know* that there are no chambered rounds...BUT...I never pick one up without checking to see if there is a round chambered.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 27, 2020 08:12 PM (pK7cg)
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64 Weasel, is that a farm or a jungle where you were shooting?
Good thread as usual. I'l be jumping in and out.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 27, 2020 08:11 PM (4JLkY)
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Part farm, part jungle.
Good thread as usual. I'l be jumping in and out.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 27, 2020 08:11 PM (4JLkY)
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Part farm, part jungle.
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 08:12 PM (MVjcR)
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I have one thing to announce: well, two things. Met my 2020 goal of ringing steel at 1,000 last week.
Today, with experienced spotter/shooter, hit goat-shaped steel at 1,106.
1,106. That's, like, over a kilometer.
I hope the bad guys remember to run in kph.
Today, with experienced spotter/shooter, hit goat-shaped steel at 1,106.
1,106. That's, like, over a kilometer.
I hope the bad guys remember to run in kph.
Posted by: RI Red at September 27, 2020 08:12 PM (uykKQ)
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Once upon a time I had an IBM M1. No doubt they are a blast to shoot. Frankly, I myself would have been pleased with your results, Weasel!
Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 27, 2020 08:12 PM (EgshT)
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I have a carbine, but after looking at a bunch of YT vids on it, it is largely derided as a plinker.
I have seldom fired it. I bought it because a gun blog said it was a good go bag gun.
The Camp Marlin in .45acp, wood stock.
I've never fired it more than 50 yards, I did OK with it.
I would love to fire it again, but all the ranges near me have closed.
I have seldom fired it. I bought it because a gun blog said it was a good go bag gun.
The Camp Marlin in .45acp, wood stock.
I've never fired it more than 50 yards, I did OK with it.
I would love to fire it again, but all the ranges near me have closed.
Posted by: navybrat waits and watches at September 27, 2020 08:12 PM (w7KSn)
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Got the slug gun out this afternoon. It only took 5 shots to get it printing 1.5" high at 100 yards. Good to go as far as sighting in is concerned. Now it's time to shoot a few rounds off my shooting sticks and see how I do out to 200 yards. Not the most enjoyable shooting, but absolutely necessary for any hunting weapon.
Posted by: PacosMojo at September 27, 2020 08:13 PM (1cUTg)
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 08:14 PM (MVjcR)
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Weasel, Thanks for the video on the Carbine. I know almost nothing about shooting them. For some reason they never grabbed my interest the way full size battle rifles did.
Ruger still offers the Blackhawk single action in 30 carbine and has for many years. They must sell to be continued but I've never seen one.
Ruger still offers the Blackhawk single action in 30 carbine and has for many years. They must sell to be continued but I've never seen one.
Posted by: JTB at September 27, 2020 08:14 PM (7EjX1)
Posted by: davidt at September 27, 2020 08:14 PM (l3+k2)
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It's global warming, Trump's fault.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 27, 2020 08:07 PM (bk3Sg)
Mr. Hammer, it's now "climate change", as all good, scientifically sound theories require good marketing.
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I know, but I deliberately use 'global warming' in conversation, just to hear the SJW's backtrack.
It's global warming, Trump's fault.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 27, 2020 08:07 PM (bk3Sg)
Mr. Hammer, it's now "climate change", as all good, scientifically sound theories require good marketing.
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I know, but I deliberately use 'global warming' in conversation, just to hear the SJW's backtrack.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 27, 2020 08:14 PM (pK7cg)
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I love him more than my kid
Posted by: Menack at September 27, 2020 08:15 PM (buTO7)
Posted by: the 1911 at September 27, 2020 08:15 PM (35vgk)
Posted by: Muad'dib at September 27, 2020 08:15 PM (fZqIv)
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Arrgghh. I thought I was late...
Howdy Weasel!! Howdy gun cranks!!
Excited about the upcoming MoMe..
It looks like we will get one last shooting trip before the MoMe... Need to make sure all things are in good working order, before loading up and leaving... I plan on bringing Sharon to the range to get some pre MoMe practice.
Chantilly gun show this coming weekend, I think I may try to top up the ammo bunker ahead of Texas...
Can't wait to see everyone....
Howdy Weasel!! Howdy gun cranks!!
Excited about the upcoming MoMe..
It looks like we will get one last shooting trip before the MoMe... Need to make sure all things are in good working order, before loading up and leaving... I plan on bringing Sharon to the range to get some pre MoMe practice.
Chantilly gun show this coming weekend, I think I may try to top up the ammo bunker ahead of Texas...
Can't wait to see everyone....
Posted by: Jesse in DC at September 27, 2020 08:15 PM (ouR/N)
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I view the M1 in that same class. Fun to have but if I'm being honest, newer tech is just better.
That may not be a popular opinion but so be it.
Posted by: AlaBAMA
I hear ya. If I had to haul around my M1 all day with enough ammo to get out of a fight, I'd be one tired puppy. For weight reasons alone, I learn towards newer rifles.
That may not be a popular opinion but so be it.
Posted by: AlaBAMA
I hear ya. If I had to haul around my M1 all day with enough ammo to get out of a fight, I'd be one tired puppy. For weight reasons alone, I learn towards newer rifles.
Posted by: Tonypete at September 27, 2020 08:15 PM (Rvt88)
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I view the M1 in that same class. Fun to have but if I'm being honest, newer tech is just better.
Speaking as an M1 fanboi and general appreciator of old guns, I think you're exactly right. I own and shoot old guns because I enjoy it, not because I kid myself that they're better.
Speaking as an M1 fanboi and general appreciator of old guns, I think you're exactly right. I own and shoot old guns because I enjoy it, not because I kid myself that they're better.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at September 27, 2020 08:15 PM (qc+VF)
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70 Once upon a time I had an IBM M1. No doubt they are a blast to shoot. Frankly, I myself would have been pleased with your results, Weasel!
Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 27, 2020 08:12 PM (EgshT)
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Thanks! I think I want to do a little comparison video with a chronograph and some other ammo. Hope that it turns out to not be mostly me!!
Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 27, 2020 08:12 PM (EgshT)
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Thanks! I think I want to do a little comparison video with a chronograph and some other ammo. Hope that it turns out to not be mostly me!!
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 08:15 PM (MVjcR)
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OK... cool. Got it about the laser thingy. I have a .223/5.56 cartridge and have sighted in the bore and my optics at about 75 yards... as far as I could see the laser dot.
Will go out tomorrow and test. If it gets me close I'm cool with that. I can do the rest with 5 shot groups at 100 yds.
Will go out tomorrow and test. If it gets me close I'm cool with that. I can do the rest with 5 shot groups at 100 yds.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 27, 2020 08:16 PM (3H9h1)
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So, upon reading the email "What you should bring to the rifle clinic" that Weasel sent out for those attending the TXMoMe next month, I went out and purchased a shooting mat.
Once it was delivered I discovered it is not exactly something I can stuff in a suitcase or my Pelican case with the rifle.
So I will be shipping it down to a friend of mine and have it shipped back after everything is over. More and more I would prefer to drive down there. Sadly I have to be back at work on the Tuesday after the MoMe.
Maybe I should have just brought a tarp. LOL
Once it was delivered I discovered it is not exactly something I can stuff in a suitcase or my Pelican case with the rifle.
So I will be shipping it down to a friend of mine and have it shipped back after everything is over. More and more I would prefer to drive down there. Sadly I have to be back at work on the Tuesday after the MoMe.
Maybe I should have just brought a tarp. LOL
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 27, 2020 08:16 PM (uyKdz)
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Weasel, sorry I didn't get that picture to you of my new AR. I'll get to you this week. I got a half way good deal on .556 ammo on sgammo yesterday. 500 rds of FMJ ammo from Israeli Military Industries for $319.00 and with shipping it came to about $350.00. Much better than the $525.00 the gun shop for the same number. The green tip was a little more expensive, but since I will be burning up ammo learning the gun, I figured I'd go a little cheaper.
Posted by: Old Blue at September 27, 2020 08:17 PM (VNmG1)
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I own and shoot old guns because I enjoy it, not because I kid myself that they're better.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at September 27, 2020 08:15 PM (qc+VF)
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Agreed!
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at September 27, 2020 08:15 PM (qc+VF)
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Agreed!
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 08:17 PM (MVjcR)
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One of the most inspiring pictures I have seen is a young lady, an Israeli elementary teacher, watching over the kindern at recess in a bad neighborhood shetl. Slung over her shoulder was an M1 Carbine.
Posted by: bill in arkansas at September 27, 2020 08:17 PM (YxnTr)
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I almost did not recognize lauraw's post. 'MissLumps' who the hell is this? Oh, Miss 'Hump'!
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 27, 2020 08:17 PM (cI3Q7)
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..Long story short- major cardiac event on September 12, then triple bypass surgery on the 16th. Got discharged this past Friday. Still a real hurting puppy. No range time for a good while for me, I'm afraid.
So I will live vicariously through your exploits.
Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at September 27, 2020 07:51 PM (bAe71)
Get well soon, friend! LET US KNOW if there's anything you need?
I'm not a doctor, but this IS the Gun Thread, so I'm hereby prescribing you at least six months of .22 LR practice, in order to stay in practice. Administer by shooting from the bench to prevent complications.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
So I will live vicariously through your exploits.
Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at September 27, 2020 07:51 PM (bAe71)
Get well soon, friend! LET US KNOW if there's anything you need?
I'm not a doctor, but this IS the Gun Thread, so I'm hereby prescribing you at least six months of .22 LR practice, in order to stay in practice. Administer by shooting from the bench to prevent complications.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at September 27, 2020 08:17 PM (QzJWU)
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A civil war rifle is a beautiful piece of weaponry, but fuck are they heavy.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 27, 2020 08:18 PM (cI3Q7)
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So, is that 800 rounds and it's no longer a "match" barrel or 800 rounds and you wouldn't take a 3 or 400 yard shot at an elk.
Also, bring some to share.
I will ask one last time.
55 or 62? The 62 is XM855.
So, is that 800 rounds and it's no longer a "match" barrel or 800 rounds and you wouldn't take a 3 or 400 yard shot at an elk.
Also, bring some to share.
I will ask one last time.
55 or 62? The 62 is XM855.
Posted by: TeeJ at September 27, 2020 08:18 PM (Is4Ai)
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 08:18 PM (MVjcR)
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68 64 Weasel, is that a farm or a jungle where you were shooting?
Good thread as usual. I'l be jumping in and out.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 27, 2020 08:11 PM (4JLkY)
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Part farm, part jungle.
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 08:12 PM (MVjcR)
A fungle!
Good thread as usual. I'l be jumping in and out.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 27, 2020 08:11 PM (4JLkY)
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Part farm, part jungle.
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 08:12 PM (MVjcR)
A fungle!
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 27, 2020 08:19 PM (uKHZJ)
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ok, two of the kids
Posted by: Menack at September 27, 2020 08:19 PM (buTO7)
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I have one thing to announce: well, two things. Met my 2020 goal of ringing steel at 1,000 last week.
Posted by: RI Red at September 27, 2020 08:12 PM (uykKQ)
Congrats Red!!!!! Must have felt GREAT!!
I have one thing to announce: well, two things. Met my 2020 goal of ringing steel at 1,000 last week.
Posted by: RI Red at September 27, 2020 08:12 PM (uykKQ)
Congrats Red!!!!! Must have felt GREAT!!
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 27, 2020 08:19 PM (uyKdz)
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A fungle!
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 27, 2020 08:19 PM (uKHZJ)
Watch out for those mounds. That is where the funemployment brigade came to rest.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 27, 2020 08:19 PM (uKHZJ)
Watch out for those mounds. That is where the funemployment brigade came to rest.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 27, 2020 08:19 PM (cI3Q7)
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I live alone
In a city openly hostile to my political beliefs.
My pistols are loaded and readily accessible.
Btw, weasel, thank you for the thread. Please, tell me, what is your favorite 9mm pistol.
In a city openly hostile to my political beliefs.
My pistols are loaded and readily accessible.
Btw, weasel, thank you for the thread. Please, tell me, what is your favorite 9mm pistol.
Posted by: Nurse ratched at September 27, 2020 08:20 PM (U2p+3)
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I am obsessive about checking if a gun is loaded. I may have put it down 30 seconds earlier but still check it. Figure it can't hurt.
This obsession is Mrs. JTB approved.
This obsession is Mrs. JTB approved.
Posted by: JTB at September 27, 2020 08:20 PM (7EjX1)
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Btw, weasel, thank you for the thread. Please, tell me, what is your favorite 9mm pistol.
Posted by: Nurse ratched at September 27, 2020 08:20 PM (U2p+3)
Throw her a curve ball Weasel. Tell her a Hudson H9.
Posted by: Nurse ratched at September 27, 2020 08:20 PM (U2p+3)
Throw her a curve ball Weasel. Tell her a Hudson H9.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 27, 2020 08:21 PM (cI3Q7)
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I drop the mag and then rack the slide 3 times, while pointed in a safe direction.
It's a habit.
Because I don't trust even myself.
It's a habit.
Because I don't trust even myself.
Posted by: navybrat waits and watches at September 27, 2020 08:21 PM (w7KSn)
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Nice M-1 Carbine Weasel! Little Joe is cool!
This week was a tale of two handguns. A Nagant revolver went head to head with a Browning Hi-Power in 9mm.
The Nagant was a joy to load and reload, using the little slide stick to knock out the spent rounds (7), and replace one at a time by hand. Takes about 15 minutes to reload which would work great in a combat situation. Great training too! The Hi-Power on the other hand uses a 13 round magazine, who needs 13 rounds?, which drops free with a press of the button, which I think may be a bit unsafe, as well as sliding in the new magazine which happens too fast and causes me to question this design.
Also, the triggers. The Nagant is a little to soft in single action mode, but in double action the 28 pound trigger pull gives me a chance to develop my trigger skills. The double action Nagant gives you a nice spray pattern which makes it almost like an MP-40. The Hi-Power once again came up short, with a crisp trigger which makes it useless for developing my muscle memory and also seems a bit unsafe as it makes it to easy to fire the weapon on target quickly. Also, the HI-Power is single action only, which I think makes it obsolete.
Then the ammo. The Nagant uses a 7.62 x 38R round which is great for punching little, bitty holes in things.
The Hi-Power uses the 9mm Europellet, which punches bigger holes in a target but who needs that?
All in all, I would carry the Nagant but I don't want to pay the NFA tax stamp to do so so I will stick with the Hi-Power for now.
This week was a tale of two handguns. A Nagant revolver went head to head with a Browning Hi-Power in 9mm.
The Nagant was a joy to load and reload, using the little slide stick to knock out the spent rounds (7), and replace one at a time by hand. Takes about 15 minutes to reload which would work great in a combat situation. Great training too! The Hi-Power on the other hand uses a 13 round magazine, who needs 13 rounds?, which drops free with a press of the button, which I think may be a bit unsafe, as well as sliding in the new magazine which happens too fast and causes me to question this design.
Also, the triggers. The Nagant is a little to soft in single action mode, but in double action the 28 pound trigger pull gives me a chance to develop my trigger skills. The double action Nagant gives you a nice spray pattern which makes it almost like an MP-40. The Hi-Power once again came up short, with a crisp trigger which makes it useless for developing my muscle memory and also seems a bit unsafe as it makes it to easy to fire the weapon on target quickly. Also, the HI-Power is single action only, which I think makes it obsolete.
Then the ammo. The Nagant uses a 7.62 x 38R round which is great for punching little, bitty holes in things.
The Hi-Power uses the 9mm Europellet, which punches bigger holes in a target but who needs that?
All in all, I would carry the Nagant but I don't want to pay the NFA tax stamp to do so so I will stick with the Hi-Power for now.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 27, 2020 08:22 PM (Z+IKu)
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Not the whle bunch
Posted by: Menack at September 27, 2020 08:22 PM (buTO7)
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For those who want to 'try out' a fire arm, maybe for the first time, we will have .22lr, 9mm, .40cal, and probably a smattering of .357mag/.38spec. And as Professor Weasel stated above, any ammo y'all can pick up on your way to the MoMe will be appreciated. I intend to bring some old stuff to burn up bu not as much as previous year due to shortages. And as usual bring your own hearing and eye protection. This will be 'almost' the most fun a person can obtain while clothed. It is known.
Posted by: Eromero at September 27, 2020 08:22 PM (XhWtx)
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I have one thing to announce: well, two things. Met my 2020 goal of ringing steel at 1,000 last week.
Posted by: RI Red at September 27, 2020 08:12 PM (uykKQ
Nice!
I wish I had a thousand yards to shoot on. 600 is as far as I have around my area.
Need a friend with land, lots of land...
Posted by: RI Red at September 27, 2020 08:12 PM (uykKQ
Nice!
I wish I had a thousand yards to shoot on. 600 is as far as I have around my area.
Need a friend with land, lots of land...
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 27, 2020 08:22 PM (kTi97)
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JT did a much better job cutting out the silhouette of his gun than I am capable of!
Congrats on the awesome gun storage (and hiding place).
Congrats on the awesome gun storage (and hiding place).
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at September 27, 2020 08:22 PM (tkyK5)
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I'm just an ignorant civie but why can't there be two SAWs in a squad. Or why don't you equip an entire squad with BARs back in the day?
Posted by: Weaning is hard at September 27, 2020 08:23 PM (2DOZq)
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So, is that 800 rounds and it's no longer a "match" barrel or 800 rounds and you wouldn't take a 3 or 400 yard shot at an elk.
Also, bring some to share.
I will ask one last time.
55 or 62? The 62 is XM855.
Posted by: TeeJ at September 27, 2020 08:18 PM (Is4Ai)
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800 and it's no longer a match barrel.
The 55s would be fine! Thanks, Teej!
So, is that 800 rounds and it's no longer a "match" barrel or 800 rounds and you wouldn't take a 3 or 400 yard shot at an elk.
Also, bring some to share.
I will ask one last time.
55 or 62? The 62 is XM855.
Posted by: TeeJ at September 27, 2020 08:18 PM (Is4Ai)
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800 and it's no longer a match barrel.
The 55s would be fine! Thanks, Teej!
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 08:23 PM (MVjcR)
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For 9mm, an HK is the high end favorite.
Springfield XD is the mid range favorite.
Taurus in the low end favorite.
Springfield XD is the mid range favorite.
Taurus in the low end favorite.
Posted by: navybrat waits and watches at September 27, 2020 08:23 PM (w7KSn)
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Hope that it turns out to not be mostly me!!
It may well be the ammo, in part. I ran mostly Prvi through mine, primarily because it was plentifully available. I guess I never expected much in terms of accuracy with my M1 due to the fact that I was conditioned (rightly or wrongly) not to expect a whole lot out of it.
It may well be the ammo, in part. I ran mostly Prvi through mine, primarily because it was plentifully available. I guess I never expected much in terms of accuracy with my M1 due to the fact that I was conditioned (rightly or wrongly) not to expect a whole lot out of it.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 27, 2020 08:23 PM (EgshT)
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All in all, I would carry the Nagant but I don't want to pay the NFA tax stamp to do so so I will stick with the Hi-Power for now.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 27, 2020 08:22 PM (Z+IKu)
You forgot the revolutionary Nagant gas seal! Running Dog Capitalist!
*ponders when revolver came out*
Hun butcher!
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 27, 2020 08:22 PM (Z+IKu)
You forgot the revolutionary Nagant gas seal! Running Dog Capitalist!
*ponders when revolver came out*
Hun butcher!
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 27, 2020 08:24 PM (cI3Q7)
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A fungle!
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 27, 2020 08:19 PM (uKHZJ)
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A fungle indeed!
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 27, 2020 08:19 PM (uKHZJ)
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A fungle indeed!
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 08:24 PM (MVjcR)
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I got myself in big trouble again
Posted by: Menack at September 27, 2020 08:24 PM (buTO7)
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ImaProud owner of an M1 Carbine, made at Saginaw in1944. What a fine little rifle. Easy to carry, shoots good and runs like a champ! If ya ever get the chance, grab one!
Posted by: Rick554 at September 27, 2020 08:24 PM (FmOIw)
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That was a Great video, Senor Weaselito. I don't have the carbine, but it would be fun to have one. But at this point, if it don't shoot long, I'm not going there.
Posted by: RI Red at September 27, 2020 08:24 PM (uykKQ)
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JT did a much better job cutting out the silhouette of his gun than I am capable of!
Congrats on the awesome gun storage (and hiding place).
Posted by: Pillage Idiot
Again, that's not mine, I saw it online.
Congrats on the awesome gun storage (and hiding place).
Posted by: Pillage Idiot
Again, that's not mine, I saw it online.
Posted by: JT at September 27, 2020 08:25 PM (arJlL)
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I was rudely awakened in a fox hole by one of those beasts one fine morning a few feet away. Fired a few rounds and drove right over the hole. Kinda loud.
Posted by: dartist at September 27, 2020 08:25 PM (+ya+t)
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I tried using a bore sight laser for my rifle when I was at the 100 yard range. Problem with that was that I could not see the laser on the target at that distance.
Remember that the laser and your sighting line follow a straight line and the bullet follows an arc. If you make the first two meet at 100 yards, your bullet strike will be low. The arc crosses the line of sight twice, once on the way up and once on the way down (hopefully at the target). You want to make the sight line and the bore line meet at the first crossing. Someone else can do the math to figure out exactly where that is but 25 yards is usually close enough to get you on paper at 100.
Remember that the laser and your sighting line follow a straight line and the bullet follows an arc. If you make the first two meet at 100 yards, your bullet strike will be low. The arc crosses the line of sight twice, once on the way up and once on the way down (hopefully at the target). You want to make the sight line and the bore line meet at the first crossing. Someone else can do the math to figure out exactly where that is but 25 yards is usually close enough to get you on paper at 100.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at September 27, 2020 08:25 PM (qc+VF)
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Btw, weasel, thank you for the thread. Please, tell me, what is your favorite 9mm pistol.
Posted by: Nurse ratched at September 27, 2020 08:20 PM (U2p+3)
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I'm pretty much a Sig guy. Maybe the P239?
Posted by: Nurse ratched at September 27, 2020 08:20 PM (U2p+3)
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I'm pretty much a Sig guy. Maybe the P239?
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 08:25 PM (MVjcR)
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Thirst!
Posted by: redc1c4 at September 27, 2020 08:25 PM (P8FeH)
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107 I'm just an ignorant civie but why can't there be two SAWs in a squad. Or why don't you equip an entire squad with BARs back in the day?
Posted by: Weaning is hard at September 27, 2020 08:23 PM (2DOZq)
Heavy, takes a lot of ammo, suppression fire vs accurate fire.
Inversely, you wouldn't want a squad all waking around clearing houses with scopes on long rifles.
Posted by: Weaning is hard at September 27, 2020 08:23 PM (2DOZq)
Heavy, takes a lot of ammo, suppression fire vs accurate fire.
Inversely, you wouldn't want a squad all waking around clearing houses with scopes on long rifles.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 27, 2020 08:26 PM (kTi97)
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66 ... "This thread smells like Hoppe's."
Thank goodness. One of the finest aromas in the known universe. And Mrs. JTB likes it. Yes, I am blessed.
Thank goodness. One of the finest aromas in the known universe. And Mrs. JTB likes it. Yes, I am blessed.
Posted by: JTB at September 27, 2020 08:26 PM (7EjX1)
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Sorry
Posted by: Menack at September 27, 2020 08:26 PM (buTO7)
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While working a few years back a coworker took ownership of his late father's WWII gun collection. One of the rifles was an M-1 Garand. It was an interesting gun to shoot. Heavy. But dead on.
Stupid shit tried to auction them off and ended up letting them go for way less than they were worth.
Stupid shit tried to auction them off and ended up letting them go for way less than they were worth.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 27, 2020 08:27 PM (3H9h1)
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That was a Great video, Senor Weaselito. I don't have the carbine, but it would be fun to have one. But at this point, if it don't shoot long, I'm not going there.
Posted by: RI Red at September 27, 2020 08:24 PM (uykKQ)
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Thanks!
Posted by: RI Red at September 27, 2020 08:24 PM (uykKQ)
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Thanks!
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 08:27 PM (MVjcR)
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btw: someone found a metric butt load of M1 Carbines in Africa, someplace, recently. think it might have been Ethiopia.
pretty sure i saw that in Firearms News, but it might have been one of the many gub e-mail lists i'm on.
pretty sure i saw that in Firearms News, but it might have been one of the many gub e-mail lists i'm on.
Posted by: redc1c4 at September 27, 2020 08:27 PM (P8FeH)
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Unfortunate I no longer have an M1 Carbine. While a yute, I had several, one an Alpine Arms rebuild. Watch for these, as they can be real good or very, very bad. They were taking demilled, that is chopped, receivers, welding them back together, and finish machining them. Some are problematic. Another beauty I had was a Johnson Spitfire, rebuilt from parts in .22 Johnson Spitfire. Old Melvin Johnson was trying for a gov contract, putting forth a high velocity round that existing carbines could be converted to. I had this in my teeny bopper days, and, sadly, was into nuclear handloading. I got carried away, and still remember the bolt slamming back and the mag blowing out. The case was split on two sides.
Posted by: bill in arkansas at September 27, 2020 08:28 PM (YxnTr)
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Gun Thread. Yes.
I went to the range enough to get my El Cheapo Savage bolt gun from Academy, with its 18.5" barrel and plastic stock, a load it likes. I kept testing till I got a load that duplicated Federal 168Gr Gold Medal Match .308 out of this rifle. When I tested, the hand load shoots better than the factory load. Switching between CCI 200 and Winchester WLR primers didn't seem to make any difference. Average muzzle velocity is 2588 fps, which isn't too bad out of that short a barrel.
Anyway it worked out to right around .9 MOA, at a hundred yards for five five shot groups, which isn't too bad for a $325 rifle with a 275 dollar sight on it. I have the load zeroed 2MOA high at 100 yards, which, if I have done the math right, is dead on out to the Primary Arms DMR 556, range limit, of 1000 yards. (The worst miss at any of the sight's built in distances, is less than 5").
I'll be bringing this rifle and ammo to the TX MoMe.
I went to the range enough to get my El Cheapo Savage bolt gun from Academy, with its 18.5" barrel and plastic stock, a load it likes. I kept testing till I got a load that duplicated Federal 168Gr Gold Medal Match .308 out of this rifle. When I tested, the hand load shoots better than the factory load. Switching between CCI 200 and Winchester WLR primers didn't seem to make any difference. Average muzzle velocity is 2588 fps, which isn't too bad out of that short a barrel.
Anyway it worked out to right around .9 MOA, at a hundred yards for five five shot groups, which isn't too bad for a $325 rifle with a 275 dollar sight on it. I have the load zeroed 2MOA high at 100 yards, which, if I have done the math right, is dead on out to the Primary Arms DMR 556, range limit, of 1000 yards. (The worst miss at any of the sight's built in distances, is less than 5").
I'll be bringing this rifle and ammo to the TX MoMe.
Posted by: An Observation at September 27, 2020 08:28 PM (qXLZ+)
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In honor of this thread I'll toss my M1 carbine in the trunk with a bunch of ammo for the MoMe (unless someone else is bringing one). Fun rifle for the heck of it is a Swiss K31 with FWB target sights.
I'm short of 9mm so have been doing a lot of 22, took a break today and fired 10 rds of 9mm, scared the heck out of me.
I'm short of 9mm so have been doing a lot of 22, took a break today and fired 10 rds of 9mm, scared the heck out of me.
Posted by: Panhandler at September 27, 2020 08:28 PM (S/rwf)
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If memory serves, a few yers back, S. Korea was ready to ship back to the USA a whole bunch of those M1s.
Obama put a stop to that.
Obama put a stop to that.
Posted by: navybrat waits and watches at September 27, 2020 08:29 PM (w7KSn)
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pretty sure i saw that in Firearms News, but it might have been one of the many gub e-mail lists i'm on.
Posted by: redc1c4 at September 27, 2020 08:27 PM (P8FeH)
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Yep. Those all went in a hurry at around $1,300 each, as I recall.
Posted by: redc1c4 at September 27, 2020 08:27 PM (P8FeH)
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Yep. Those all went in a hurry at around $1,300 each, as I recall.
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 08:29 PM (MVjcR)
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not sure if this is the place, but they have some, still.
https://www.royaltigerimports.com/product-p/m1car001.htm
https://www.royaltigerimports.com/product-p/m1car001.htm
Posted by: redc1c4 at September 27, 2020 08:29 PM (P8FeH)
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I once had an M1 carbine. Very handy little weapon -- it's clear that Ruger modeled the ergonomics of the legendary 10-22 on the M1.
However.
That fucking thing sounded like a cannon, even though it fired a souped-up pistol round; and: It literally shot around corners.
And I mean literally literally. We'd be plinking from 300 yards, using the dust thrown up by the rounds to spot, and every once in a while, poof, there went a dust plume 30 degrees from the point of aim.
So rather than measuring accuracy in minutes of arc, that fucking thing was measured in HOURS. Damned scary, honestly. I had to make sure a very wide swath downrange was clear, because I had no idea where that round was going.
However.
That fucking thing sounded like a cannon, even though it fired a souped-up pistol round; and: It literally shot around corners.
And I mean literally literally. We'd be plinking from 300 yards, using the dust thrown up by the rounds to spot, and every once in a while, poof, there went a dust plume 30 degrees from the point of aim.
So rather than measuring accuracy in minutes of arc, that fucking thing was measured in HOURS. Damned scary, honestly. I had to make sure a very wide swath downrange was clear, because I had no idea where that round was going.
Posted by: Pastafarian at September 27, 2020 08:30 PM (sgHEm)
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Oh look - they have now moved the "it's starting" window to "wait till after the election."
Umm, okay.
Umm, okay.
Posted by: blaster at September 27, 2020 08:30 PM (ZfRYq)
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I'm just an ignorant civie but why can't there be two SAWs in a squad. Or why don't you equip an entire squad with BARs back in the day?
Posted by: Weaning is hard at September 27, 2020 08:23 PM (2DOZq)
I was 12B and my squad had 4 men with SAWs (plus M-16A2), 2 with 203s, and the squad leader was light with only M-16A2.
Road marches sucked.
Posted by: Weaning is hard at September 27, 2020 08:23 PM (2DOZq)
I was 12B and my squad had 4 men with SAWs (plus M-16A2), 2 with 203s, and the squad leader was light with only M-16A2.
Road marches sucked.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 27, 2020 08:31 PM (/Dgcm)
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I've a Rock-o-la as well as a Universal. If anyone is interested, most important parts ARE NOT interchangeable. Well, the pews and the pew holder are, so there's that.
McGyver, brewing another batch of mead
McGyver, brewing another batch of mead
Posted by: McGyver at September 27, 2020 08:31 PM (rJ1YP)
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Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 27, 2020 08:26 PM (kTi97)
I hear you but I've seen post battle assessments where an additional SAW would have made a big difference. Out of my pay grade but more fire power out weighs a lot of other considerations for me.
I hear you but I've seen post battle assessments where an additional SAW would have made a big difference. Out of my pay grade but more fire power out weighs a lot of other considerations for me.
Posted by: Weaning is hard at September 27, 2020 08:31 PM (2DOZq)
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I'd welcome an African American M1 into my home. I aint predujist.
Posted by: f'd at September 27, 2020 08:32 PM (d1rcN)
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In honor of this thread I'll toss my M1 carbine in the trunk with a bunch of ammo for the MoMe (unless someone else is bringing one). Fun rifle for the heck of it is a Swiss K31 with FWB target sights.
I'm short of 9mm so have been doing a lot of 22, took a break today and fired 10 rds of 9mm, scared the heck out of me.
Posted by: Panhandler at September 27, 2020 08:28 PM (S/rwf)
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Thanks!
I'm short of 9mm so have been doing a lot of 22, took a break today and fired 10 rds of 9mm, scared the heck out of me.
Posted by: Panhandler at September 27, 2020 08:28 PM (S/rwf)
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Thanks!
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 08:33 PM (MVjcR)
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The M-1 is such a fun little carbine to shoot. Great handling and negligible recoil. Over the years, I've owned several. I currently have an WWII original with the folding stock and a Plainfield made in 1973 in the safe.
It is unfortunate that the M-1 is so expensive now-a-days. Back in the 1980s, you could buy one for about $100 - $150. They go for big bucks now; so they're only for the enthusiast. The AR-15 platform has supplanted the M-1 as the semi-auto rifle that a first-time buyer should consider.
It is unfortunate that the M-1 is so expensive now-a-days. Back in the 1980s, you could buy one for about $100 - $150. They go for big bucks now; so they're only for the enthusiast. The AR-15 platform has supplanted the M-1 as the semi-auto rifle that a first-time buyer should consider.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at September 27, 2020 08:33 PM (pJWtt)
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Trip to range. Ruger Mk III .22 was great shooting. But with the new P320 Compact 9mm I was disappointed to be left and low. Need to work on my grip and trigger control.
Looking at a laser system to practice with dry fire.
Looking at a laser system to practice with dry fire.
Posted by: FloridaMan at September 27, 2020 08:34 PM (HCeRP)
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So, what's the choice? Do you say "car-been" or "car-bine?
Posted by: OrangeEnt at September 27, 2020 08:34 PM (0jfkF)
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So, is that 800 rounds and it's no longer a "match" barrel or 800 rounds and you wouldn't take a 3 or 400 yard shot at an elk.
Posted by: TeeJ at September 27, 2020 08:18 PM (Is4Ai)
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800 and it's no longer a match barrel.
Posted by: Weasel
Thanks for asking that TeeJ, I wondered as well.
I figured that the barrel would still be fine for hunting.
Thanks for the thread Weasel.
Posted by: TeeJ at September 27, 2020 08:18 PM (Is4Ai)
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800 and it's no longer a match barrel.
Posted by: Weasel
Thanks for asking that TeeJ, I wondered as well.
I figured that the barrel would still be fine for hunting.
Thanks for the thread Weasel.
Posted by: AZ deplorably isolated at September 27, 2020 08:34 PM (gtatv)
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So, what's the choice? Do you say "car-been" or "car-bine?
Posted by: OrangeEnt at September 27, 2020 08:34 PM (0jfkF)
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Well I guess you know how I say it! Car-beeen, w/ 3 e's.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at September 27, 2020 08:34 PM (0jfkF)
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Well I guess you know how I say it! Car-beeen, w/ 3 e's.
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 08:35 PM (MVjcR)
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I've a Rock-o-la as well as a Universal. If anyone is interested, most important parts ARE NOT interchangeable.
The Universal is a commercial copy, correct? Is everything interchangeable between all the different USGI makers? I would certainly have assumed so.
The Universal is a commercial copy, correct? Is everything interchangeable between all the different USGI makers? I would certainly have assumed so.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at September 27, 2020 08:35 PM (qc+VF)
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107 I'm just an ignorant civie but why can't there be two SAWs in a squad. Or why don't you equip an entire squad with BARs back in the day?
Posted by: Weaning is hard at September 27, 2020 08:23 PM (2DOZq)
It depends on what you want your squad to do. You don't want your personnel heavily weighed down with what is not needed/necessary.
Amateurs talk tactics, professionals talk logistics.
Posted by: Weaning is hard at September 27, 2020 08:23 PM (2DOZq)
It depends on what you want your squad to do. You don't want your personnel heavily weighed down with what is not needed/necessary.
Amateurs talk tactics, professionals talk logistics.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 27, 2020 08:36 PM (4JLkY)
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You forgot the revolutionary Nagant gas seal! Running Dog Capitalist!
*ponders when revolver came out*
Hun butcher!
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 27, 2020 08:24 PM (cI3Q7)
I was gonna mention that but the complex description as well as the training needed to use the high tech gas seal would need a thread of it's own.
*ponders when revolver came out*
Hun butcher!
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 27, 2020 08:24 PM (cI3Q7)
I was gonna mention that but the complex description as well as the training needed to use the high tech gas seal would need a thread of it's own.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 27, 2020 08:37 PM (Z+IKu)
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Thank you for all you do, Weasel.
And I need to toss those thanks at Jim SND and Eromero and everyone helping out putting on the Ritz down there.
Now, I just need NaCly to get ahold of me so I can give it to him to bring down.
And if I can find a couple bottles of Blantons, one for me cause I'm out...
That stuff is hard to get around here.
Thank you for all you do, Weasel.
And I need to toss those thanks at Jim SND and Eromero and everyone helping out putting on the Ritz down there.
Now, I just need NaCly to get ahold of me so I can give it to him to bring down.
And if I can find a couple bottles of Blantons, one for me cause I'm out...
That stuff is hard to get around here.
Posted by: TeeJ at September 27, 2020 08:37 PM (Is4Ai)
Posted by: 11B40 at September 27, 2020 08:37 PM (evgyj)
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If memory serves, a few yers back, S. Korea was ready to ship back to the USA a whole bunch of those M1s.
Obama put a stop to that.
Posted by: navybrat waits and watches at September 27, 2020 08:29 PM (w7KSn)
It's like he was afraid we'd have some use for them....
Obama put a stop to that.
Posted by: navybrat waits and watches at September 27, 2020 08:29 PM (w7KSn)
It's like he was afraid we'd have some use for them....
Posted by: OrangeEnt at September 27, 2020 08:37 PM (0jfkF)
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So, is that 800 rounds and it's no longer a "match" barrel or 800 rounds and you wouldn't take a 3 or 400 yard shot at an elk.
Posted by: TeeJ at September 27, 2020 08:18 PM (Is4Ai)
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800 and it's no longer a match barrel.
Posted by: Weasel
Thanks for asking that TeeJ, I wondered as well.
I figured that the barrel would still be fine for hunting.
Thanks for the thread Weasel.
Posted by: AZ deplorably isolated at September 27, 2020 08:34 PM (gtatv)
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Yep. Great question. Once they go, they go fast, too. Surprisingly, from one shot to the next. They still shoot, but they're no longer competitive. It's not the sort of thing you would probably ordinarily notice for some time.
Posted by: TeeJ at September 27, 2020 08:18 PM (Is4Ai)
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800 and it's no longer a match barrel.
Posted by: Weasel
Thanks for asking that TeeJ, I wondered as well.
I figured that the barrel would still be fine for hunting.
Thanks for the thread Weasel.
Posted by: AZ deplorably isolated at September 27, 2020 08:34 PM (gtatv)
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Yep. Great question. Once they go, they go fast, too. Surprisingly, from one shot to the next. They still shoot, but they're no longer competitive. It's not the sort of thing you would probably ordinarily notice for some time.
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 08:37 PM (MVjcR)
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Woot: Gun Thread!
Range Report:
M1 Garand match yesterday. 35 rounds of rifle fun!
We had guys, with standard issue sights, shoot 90+ out of a 100 possible on 10 shot strings. That's right, we had guys, using iron sights, put all rounds in the black, 9/10/X ring, at 200 yards, using standard issue military sights.
5 shots were sighter shots, 30 for record, 20 prone, 10 standing, off hand.
1 string prone was rapid fire, with a required magazine change.
I actually shot fairly well, all things considered, and, I think it was mostly due to finally getting some glasses that allowed me to see what I was actually shooting at.
Fun match and if you own a Garand, by all means, keep an eye out for local High Power Matches and, or, M1 Garand matches.
Side note: The match supplied the ammunition, made by Sellier & Bellot M1, which seemed to be pretty darn good Garand food.
Range Report:
M1 Garand match yesterday. 35 rounds of rifle fun!
We had guys, with standard issue sights, shoot 90+ out of a 100 possible on 10 shot strings. That's right, we had guys, using iron sights, put all rounds in the black, 9/10/X ring, at 200 yards, using standard issue military sights.
5 shots were sighter shots, 30 for record, 20 prone, 10 standing, off hand.
1 string prone was rapid fire, with a required magazine change.
I actually shot fairly well, all things considered, and, I think it was mostly due to finally getting some glasses that allowed me to see what I was actually shooting at.
Fun match and if you own a Garand, by all means, keep an eye out for local High Power Matches and, or, M1 Garand matches.
Side note: The match supplied the ammunition, made by Sellier & Bellot M1, which seemed to be pretty darn good Garand food.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at September 27, 2020 08:38 PM (WEBkv)
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Posted by: TeeJ at September 27, 2020 08:37 PM (Is4Ai)
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Absolutely my pleasure, Teej! Thanks again for your generosity!
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Absolutely my pleasure, Teej! Thanks again for your generosity!
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 08:39 PM (MVjcR)
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Eromero (and all others),
I am driving to the TX MoMe and was going to bring the most basic of shotguns (since they do get some inquiries in the gun threads).
Can we pattern on cardboard and various distances for all of the people with home defense questions? Can I have people shoot 12 versus 20 to measure kick before they buy their own?
Or is that MoMe not a shotgun friendly venue?
I am driving to the TX MoMe and was going to bring the most basic of shotguns (since they do get some inquiries in the gun threads).
Can we pattern on cardboard and various distances for all of the people with home defense questions? Can I have people shoot 12 versus 20 to measure kick before they buy their own?
Or is that MoMe not a shotgun friendly venue?
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at September 27, 2020 08:39 PM (tkyK5)
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Nice vid Weasel. You guys put out a lot of free content here. Appreciated.
Posted by: dartist at September 27, 2020 08:39 PM (+ya+t)
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If it was anything good, I put a stop to it.
Posted by: Baracky O'Cracky at September 27, 2020 08:40 PM (EgshT)
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Well I guess you know how I say it! Car-beeen, w/ 3 e's.
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 08:35 PM (MVjcR)
Oh, I thought it was four?!?
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 08:35 PM (MVjcR)
Oh, I thought it was four?!?
Posted by: OrangeEnt at September 27, 2020 08:40 PM (0jfkF)
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Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at September 27, 2020 08:38 PM (WEBkv)
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Nice!
at September 27, 2020 08:38 PM (WEBkv)
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Nice!
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 08:40 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: Ladyl at September 27, 2020 08:40 PM (TdMsT)
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Every gun is loaded. Every one. Every time I take possession of a gun I check. Every time.
My ready weapons are loaded and ready. Long and short. No kids in the house.
Drop magazines check chamber.
Look away check chamber again.
My ready weapons are loaded and ready. Long and short. No kids in the house.
Drop magazines check chamber.
Look away check chamber again.
Posted by: USNtakim at September 27, 2020 08:41 PM (0OmEj)
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Technically a bullet actually starts to drop as soon as it leaves the barrel. It appears to have an "arc" or "shoot high" at certain distances, due to the parallax of the sights.
Posted by: Common Tater at September 27, 2020 08:41 PM (25nrF)
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It's like he was afraid we'd have some use for them....
I doubt he thought about it any deeper than "The clingers would like for this thing to happen. Therefore I'll stop it just because I can."
I doubt he thought about it any deeper than "The clingers would like for this thing to happen. Therefore I'll stop it just because I can."
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at September 27, 2020 08:42 PM (qc+VF)
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Scuba, Bama, all:
It's been an interesting journey. I bought my Ruger Predator just before the WuFlu and have spent the last 6-7 months doing load development, set-up, stock mod, muzzle brake experiments, etc.
If I had a spotter earlier, I suppose I could have gotten there sooner, but this has felt very methodical. Basically, 500 rounds to mission accomplished. Now, it's fine-tuning.
I know I have a mega-shit ton of learning to go (wind is a bitch), but I now know I have the tools with which to do it.
And I put the blame solely on Weasel - "Say, Red, have you tried different seating depths with your reloading?" That was several calibers and thousands of rounds of ammo ago.
BTW, thank you.
It's been an interesting journey. I bought my Ruger Predator just before the WuFlu and have spent the last 6-7 months doing load development, set-up, stock mod, muzzle brake experiments, etc.
If I had a spotter earlier, I suppose I could have gotten there sooner, but this has felt very methodical. Basically, 500 rounds to mission accomplished. Now, it's fine-tuning.
I know I have a mega-shit ton of learning to go (wind is a bitch), but I now know I have the tools with which to do it.
And I put the blame solely on Weasel - "Say, Red, have you tried different seating depths with your reloading?" That was several calibers and thousands of rounds of ammo ago.
BTW, thank you.
Posted by: RI Red at September 27, 2020 08:42 PM (uykKQ)
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Nice work up on the M 1 Weasel.
My father in law carried one his entire time in the South Pacific with the 81st Division. He loved it for two reasons that you point out. A 15 round magazine and almost all his shooting was less that 100 meters.
He was a good ol boy from the back hills and hollers of North Carolina and knew his shooting. His advice to me...carry what you gotta shoot. If short range, go short range, if longer, plan accordingly.
My father in law carried one his entire time in the South Pacific with the 81st Division. He loved it for two reasons that you point out. A 15 round magazine and almost all his shooting was less that 100 meters.
He was a good ol boy from the back hills and hollers of North Carolina and knew his shooting. His advice to me...carry what you gotta shoot. If short range, go short range, if longer, plan accordingly.
Posted by: Diogenes at September 27, 2020 08:43 PM (axyOa)
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Nice vid Weasel. You guys put out a lot of free content here. Appreciated.
Posted by: dartist at September 27, 2020 08:39 PM (+ya+t)
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Absolutely my pleasure. Glad you are enjoying them! The videos are a lot of fun but do take some time which is why I'm not cranking them out weekly. Since I moved to a better editor, they seem to be going together a little faster!
Posted by: dartist at September 27, 2020 08:39 PM (+ya+t)
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Absolutely my pleasure. Glad you are enjoying them! The videos are a lot of fun but do take some time which is why I'm not cranking them out weekly. Since I moved to a better editor, they seem to be going together a little faster!
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 08:43 PM (MVjcR)
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Yes, thanks, Weasel, great thread, as always.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at September 27, 2020 08:44 PM (WEBkv)
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Well I guess you know how I say it! Car-beeen, w/ 3 e's.
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 08:35 PM (MVjcR)
Oh, I thought it was four?!?
Posted by: OrangeEnt at September 27, 2020 08:40 PM (0jfkF)
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depends on if it's a weekday or a weekend!
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 08:35 PM (MVjcR)
Oh, I thought it was four?!?
Posted by: OrangeEnt at September 27, 2020 08:40 PM (0jfkF)
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depends on if it's a weekday or a weekend!
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 08:44 PM (MVjcR)
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Aaaah! The Illustrious Gun Thread! All is right in the world (sort of).
See ya'll soon,
I'm off to dig into all the great content.
Thanks Weasel.
See ya'll soon,
I'm off to dig into all the great content.
Thanks Weasel.
Posted by: rancherbob at September 27, 2020 08:44 PM (gtu9W)
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Another batch of rifles, maybe still in the hands of the ROK, is about 100K Jap type 99s. These were quickly converted to 30'06 in Japan, rechambered and the receiver modified for length at the beginning of the Korean war. Intent was to arm reserves and constabulary. Supposedly marked US 30.
Posted by: bill in arkansas at September 27, 2020 08:44 PM (YxnTr)
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Need a friend with land, lots of land...
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 27, 2020 08:22 PM (kTi97)
Don't fence me in!
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 27, 2020 08:22 PM (kTi97)
Don't fence me in!
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 27, 2020 08:45 PM (uKHZJ)
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A range report:
In the EMT I mentioned I was going to a "clinic" session conducted by the good folks with whom I've been taking a series of classes this year. They offer 9 (!) ~2-hour sessions, covering topics well beyond the CCW permitting requirements for my home state. Things like mindset, tactical movement, use of C&C, fixing malfunctions, CQB, and other good stuff. I've been to the first two in the series, and I'm attending the 3rd in 2 weeks. Anyone who has attended one or more of these "advanced" classes can join a 1-hour clinic session. The instructor mixes and matches drills based on the experience level of those who show up. We warmed up with a drill that was new to me called "Dot Torture", then proceeded through some target-acquisition drills, assorted timed drills, and assorted stress-elevating drills. I was expecting it to be challenging and instructive. It was. At the end of the hour, I 'd burned through more than 200 rounds, and had a nice long list of deficiencies that I need to correct.
So, my future holds much more dry fire, and range time for those things that require actual ammo. Si vis pacem, para bellum; I'm doing my bit.
In the EMT I mentioned I was going to a "clinic" session conducted by the good folks with whom I've been taking a series of classes this year. They offer 9 (!) ~2-hour sessions, covering topics well beyond the CCW permitting requirements for my home state. Things like mindset, tactical movement, use of C&C, fixing malfunctions, CQB, and other good stuff. I've been to the first two in the series, and I'm attending the 3rd in 2 weeks. Anyone who has attended one or more of these "advanced" classes can join a 1-hour clinic session. The instructor mixes and matches drills based on the experience level of those who show up. We warmed up with a drill that was new to me called "Dot Torture", then proceeded through some target-acquisition drills, assorted timed drills, and assorted stress-elevating drills. I was expecting it to be challenging and instructive. It was. At the end of the hour, I 'd burned through more than 200 rounds, and had a nice long list of deficiencies that I need to correct.
So, my future holds much more dry fire, and range time for those things that require actual ammo. Si vis pacem, para bellum; I'm doing my bit.
Posted by: Mostly Peaceful Grognard at September 27, 2020 08:46 PM (b3x5S)
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I still miss my Garand. Hope it found a good home.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 27, 2020 08:46 PM (EgshT)
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Loved the video, Weasel!
Amazing shooting, but any flaws surely are due to the ammo!
Posted by: Ladyl at September 27, 2020 08:40 PM (TdMsT)
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I hope so too, but I suspect I helped and it wasn't all the ammo's fault! Thanks!
Amazing shooting, but any flaws surely are due to the ammo!
Posted by: Ladyl at September 27, 2020 08:40 PM (TdMsT)
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I hope so too, but I suspect I helped and it wasn't all the ammo's fault! Thanks!
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 08:46 PM (MVjcR)
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Yes, thanks, Weasel, great thread, as always.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at September 27, 2020 08:44 PM (WEBkv)
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Thanks blake!
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at September 27, 2020 08:44 PM (WEBkv)
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Thanks blake!
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 08:46 PM (MVjcR)
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Another batch of rifles, maybe still in the hands of the ROK, is about 100K Jap type 99s. These were quickly converted to 30'06 in Japan, rechambered and the receiver modified for length at the beginning of the Korean war. Intent was to arm reserves and constabulary. Supposedly marked US 30.
Posted by: bill in arkansas at September 27, 2020 08:44 PM (YxnTr)
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I believe the late Colonel Jeff Cooper claimed it was impossible to blow up the action on the Arisaka and tested the proposition by overcharging an Arisaka. I think he destroyed the barrel, but the action held.
Posted by: bill in arkansas at September 27, 2020 08:44 PM (YxnTr)
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I believe the late Colonel Jeff Cooper claimed it was impossible to blow up the action on the Arisaka and tested the proposition by overcharging an Arisaka. I think he destroyed the barrel, but the action held.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at September 27, 2020 08:47 PM (WEBkv)
Posted by: Diogenes at September 27, 2020 08:47 PM (axyOa)
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depends on if it's a weekday or a weekend!
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 08:44 PM (MVjcR)
You know the old saying, "load on Sunday and e all week...."
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 08:44 PM (MVjcR)
You know the old saying, "load on Sunday and e all week...."
Posted by: OrangeEnt at September 27, 2020 08:47 PM (0jfkF)
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I'm like that guy Monk on checking guns being loaded - check check again recheck
Posted by: Heart of Darkness at September 27, 2020 08:47 PM (xceTB)
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Mentioning the 'Townsends' channel on Youtube reminded me. That channel has a number of videos about flintlocks: how they are built, who used them and how, and one of the best examples of how a flintlock rifle would be cleaned and maintained in the field. Excellent content.
The other channel I've found most helpful and informative is 'Duelist1954'. He does mostly traditional black powder weapons but some modern guns as well. His videos remind me of Weasel's: not just shooting but background, context and technical information.
I know there are a bazillion YT channels about guns but those two are my favorites.
The other channel I've found most helpful and informative is 'Duelist1954'. He does mostly traditional black powder weapons but some modern guns as well. His videos remind me of Weasel's: not just shooting but background, context and technical information.
I know there are a bazillion YT channels about guns but those two are my favorites.
Posted by: JTB at September 27, 2020 08:48 PM (7EjX1)
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 08:48 PM (MVjcR)
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CAR-bean
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 27, 2020 08:48 PM (uKHZJ)
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My tests of Privi Partizan M80 ball .308 ammo confirm what an Internet site had to say in their tests of various M80 ball loads, the Privi Partizan was the second most accurate M80 ball load they tested, I was shooting about 1.5 MOA groups with it at 100 yards. The MilSpec on M80 ball is an average radius of miss, of 5 inches at 600 yards, which the Privi Partisan meets.
In other words, you don't want somebody shooting at you with that stuff.
The Privi Partizan M80 bullet is a 145Gr Full Metal Jacket with a G7 Ballistic Coefficient of .200
In other words, you don't want somebody shooting at you with that stuff.
The Privi Partizan M80 bullet is a 145Gr Full Metal Jacket with a G7 Ballistic Coefficient of .200
Posted by: An Observation at September 27, 2020 08:48 PM (qXLZ+)
Posted by: 11B40 at September 27, 2020 08:49 PM (evgyj)
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161 Technically a bullet actually starts to drop as soon as it leaves the barrel. It appears to have an "arc" or "shoot high" at certain distances, due to the parallax of the sights.
Admittedly I was imprecise when I used the word "up" but if you're going to get technical about it, the bullet path is still an arc regardless of which direction the muzzle is pointing as long as it's not perfectly straight up or perfectly straight down. The reason that arc crosses the line of sight is because the bore line is tilted upwards with respect to the line of sight. If it were not, you would never be able to see and shoot to the same spot on the target.
Admittedly I was imprecise when I used the word "up" but if you're going to get technical about it, the bullet path is still an arc regardless of which direction the muzzle is pointing as long as it's not perfectly straight up or perfectly straight down. The reason that arc crosses the line of sight is because the bore line is tilted upwards with respect to the line of sight. If it were not, you would never be able to see and shoot to the same spot on the target.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at September 27, 2020 08:49 PM (qc+VF)
Posted by: Jerry "Comedy Gold" Nadless at September 27, 2020 08:49 PM (EgshT)
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Lever actions are another platform to beware of when "unloaded". At least the type with front loading magazine tubes, it seems pretty common that a round will hang up there inside.
I am super meticulous about making damn sure a weapon is absolutely, positively for sure unloaded before ever messing around with it. No exceptions.
I am super meticulous about making damn sure a weapon is absolutely, positively for sure unloaded before ever messing around with it. No exceptions.
Posted by: Common Tater at September 27, 2020 08:49 PM (25nrF)
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 27, 2020 08:49 PM (Z+IKu)
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Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 27, 2020 08:31 PM (/Dgcm)
I bet it was a slog. Would you have changed the make up if you could have?
I bet it was a slog. Would you have changed the make up if you could have?
Posted by: Weaning is hard at September 27, 2020 08:50 PM (2DOZq)
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187 A select fire version of the M-1 Carbine, known as the M-2, go for around $10,000 and up today.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 27, 2020 08:49 PM (Z+IKu)
No shit?
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 27, 2020 08:49 PM (Z+IKu)
No shit?
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 27, 2020 08:50 PM (uKHZJ)
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Posted by: JTB at September 27, 2020 08:48 PM (7EjX1)
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Thanks, JTB! I really wanted to do something a little different than plain shooting videos. I appreciate that!
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Thanks, JTB! I really wanted to do something a little different than plain shooting videos. I appreciate that!
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 08:50 PM (MVjcR)
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161 Technically a bullet actually starts to drop as soon as it leaves the barrel. It appears to have an "arc" or "shoot high" at certain distances, due to the parallax of the sights.
Posted by: Common Tater at September 27, 2020 08:41 PM (25nrF)
The Monkey and the Hunter problem in all introductory physics textbooks demonstrates what you say above. I suppose in our New Woke World, though, they use an animal-friendly, non-firearm version of the problem. Oh, well.
Thanks for another great GunThread Mr. Weasel, sir! Looking forward to seeing you again at the TxMoMe.
Posted by: Common Tater at September 27, 2020 08:41 PM (25nrF)
The Monkey and the Hunter problem in all introductory physics textbooks demonstrates what you say above. I suppose in our New Woke World, though, they use an animal-friendly, non-firearm version of the problem. Oh, well.
Thanks for another great GunThread Mr. Weasel, sir! Looking forward to seeing you again at the TxMoMe.
Posted by: Gref at September 27, 2020 08:50 PM (AMIL/)
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No shit?
They're full auto Insom so that will account for the price difference between M1 and M2.
They're full auto Insom so that will account for the price difference between M1 and M2.
Posted by: Panhandler at September 27, 2020 08:51 PM (S/rwf)
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175 There was a case of somebody rechambering a type 38 (6.5) to 30'06. Complaining of horrendous recoil, he sent it to the NRA for testing. Squeezing a 30 caliber bullet to 25 will tend to increase recoil, and imagine the embarrassment. The rifle survived.
Posted by: bill in arkansas at September 27, 2020 08:51 PM (YxnTr)
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Thanks for another great GunThread Mr. Weasel, sir! Looking forward to seeing you again at the TxMoMe.
Posted by: Gref at September 27, 2020 08:50 PM (AMIL/)
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Thanks, Gref! My pleasure. Looking forward to seeing you again in a few weeks, too!
Posted by: Gref at September 27, 2020 08:50 PM (AMIL/)
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Thanks, Gref! My pleasure. Looking forward to seeing you again in a few weeks, too!
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 08:53 PM (MVjcR)
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I feel very threatened by that shirt. It's making the space unsafe.
Posted by: I Have Questions at September 27, 2020 08:53 PM (+v+zN)
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Bob, you're right of course. I just mentioned it because there a lot of people who believe a bullet actually gains altitude at some point along its path in flight after leaving the barrel.
Posted by: Common Tater at September 27, 2020 08:53 PM (25nrF)
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192 No shit?
They're full auto Insom so that will account for the price difference between M1 and M2.
Posted by: Panhandler at September 27, 2020 08:51 PM (S/rwf)
Right. It's just that, hypothetically speaking, it would be interesting if I knew someone who owned one that just happened to have the select fire disabled but capable of being restored to original working condition. Hypothetically.
They're full auto Insom so that will account for the price difference between M1 and M2.
Posted by: Panhandler at September 27, 2020 08:51 PM (S/rwf)
Right. It's just that, hypothetically speaking, it would be interesting if I knew someone who owned one that just happened to have the select fire disabled but capable of being restored to original working condition. Hypothetically.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 27, 2020 08:53 PM (uKHZJ)
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Evening everyone. Went to the range today because the NFL can eat a bag of dicks. Then eat the bag.
Starting to get very comfy with my Walther.
Starting to get very comfy with my Walther.
Posted by: thathalfrican - Clark Kent with the glasses off at September 27, 2020 08:54 PM (IYHxL)
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H/T to Indy, for a Bezos catalog speedloader, but buy it through Ace. I thought tehre had been some discussion of these and this looks decent, but I do not have one (yet).
Universal Pistol Magazine Loader Fits 9mm Luger,10mm .357 Sig.40.45ACP, and .380ACP Caliber, and 1911 Magazines.Include Single and Double-Stack Magazines.
Brand: SpeedLoader
Universal Pistol Magazine Loader Fits 9mm Luger,10mm .357 Sig.40.45ACP, and .380ACP Caliber, and 1911 Magazines.Include Single and Double-Stack Magazines.
Brand: SpeedLoader
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar -Your Rulers Have, and Deserve, Different Rules! - at September 27, 2020 08:54 PM (2C38g)
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I was using Mark's G44 last week with some nickel plates ammo. It blew the back off of the upper.
Before we figured out what was wrong, I took out the clip, slid the rack and handed it to Mark. He slid the rack at least twice more the try to clear, then began the process of removing the upper. With glocks, you pull the trigger. The gun discharged. Mark has it pointed down range, but holy hell, it freaked me out.
Had to crawl around to find the blown apart pieces of his upper.
Before we figured out what was wrong, I took out the clip, slid the rack and handed it to Mark. He slid the rack at least twice more the try to clear, then began the process of removing the upper. With glocks, you pull the trigger. The gun discharged. Mark has it pointed down range, but holy hell, it freaked me out.
Had to crawl around to find the blown apart pieces of his upper.
Posted by: Nurse ratched at September 27, 2020 08:54 PM (U2p+3)
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I hate the internet. I heard such disgusting shit. involving kids. I hate the internet
Posted by: Menack at September 27, 2020 08:54 PM (buTO7)
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187 A select fire version of the M-1 Carbine, known as the M-2, go for around $10,000 and up today.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 27, 2020 08:49 PM (Z+IKu)
The parts needed to make an M1 into an M2 were widely available, in the 90s, if you knew where to look. Gun Parts Corp. Big gun shows.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 27, 2020 08:49 PM (Z+IKu)
The parts needed to make an M1 into an M2 were widely available, in the 90s, if you knew where to look. Gun Parts Corp. Big gun shows.
Posted by: Gref at September 27, 2020 08:54 PM (AMIL/)
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Love the M1 carbine. I just love carbines in general, so today's post is like cake for me.
Posted by: Draki at September 27, 2020 08:54 PM (s/uOq)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 27, 2020 08:55 PM (d1uFV)
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204 *pant pant pant*
Did I make it?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 27, 2020 08:55 PM (d1uFV)
This is the gun thread. No pants.
Did I make it?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 27, 2020 08:55 PM (d1uFV)
This is the gun thread. No pants.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 27, 2020 08:56 PM (uKHZJ)
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Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 27, 2020 08:55 PM (d1uFV)
Welcome!
And thank you Weasel, excellent as always!
Welcome!
And thank you Weasel, excellent as always!
Posted by: thathalfrican - Clark Kent with the glasses off at September 27, 2020 08:56 PM (IYHxL)
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Did I make it?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 27, 2020 08:55 PM (d1uFV)
Sorry, we are closed for the evening. Please come back next week.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 27, 2020 08:55 PM (d1uFV)
Sorry, we are closed for the evening. Please come back next week.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 27, 2020 08:56 PM (uyKdz)
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My 12 year old son is a natural shooter. I've got to get him in a shooting league or competition shooting.
Posted by: thathalfrican - Clark Kent with the glasses off at September 27, 2020 08:57 PM (IYHxL)
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Ok, first M1 comments, then range report:
I DO have an M1 Carbine. Universal mfg...nothing special. I spent some $ getting new springs and new magazines (KeepShooting dot com). It...still malfunctions. Mostly stovepipes on ejection. Sweep the spent case out, keep going.
But, I can find ammo for it. Just bought 1k+ rounds of Korean PMC from SGAMMO AND just bought a Ruger Blackhawk in .30 carbine.
As someone said last week, sometimes you buy the ammo, then find a gun to shoot it with. Anyway, I do love the .30 carbine round and rifle. I've heard mixed things about the Blackhawk but we'll try it out once it get here.
I DO have an M1 Carbine. Universal mfg...nothing special. I spent some $ getting new springs and new magazines (KeepShooting dot com). It...still malfunctions. Mostly stovepipes on ejection. Sweep the spent case out, keep going.
But, I can find ammo for it. Just bought 1k+ rounds of Korean PMC from SGAMMO AND just bought a Ruger Blackhawk in .30 carbine.
As someone said last week, sometimes you buy the ammo, then find a gun to shoot it with. Anyway, I do love the .30 carbine round and rifle. I've heard mixed things about the Blackhawk but we'll try it out once it get here.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 27, 2020 08:57 PM (d1uFV)
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This is the gun thread. No pants.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 27, 2020 08:56 PM (uKHZJ)
Nor heavy breathing. You want to pull the trigger at the bottom of the cycle.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 27, 2020 08:56 PM (uKHZJ)
Nor heavy breathing. You want to pull the trigger at the bottom of the cycle.
Posted by: RI Red at September 27, 2020 08:57 PM (uykKQ)
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Has anyone ever had a "why am I without a weapon at the ready" when out shooting on forest or blm lands?
Posted by: OrangeEnt at September 27, 2020 08:58 PM (0jfkF)
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Hi Maaaaaaarrrrrrrrrkkkkkkk!
Posted by: Nurse ratched at September 27, 2020 08:58 PM (U2p+3)
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In other words, you don't want somebody shooting at you with that stuff.
Oh, I think that in most calibers Prvi is a respectable manufacturer. I've had great results with their .223 62 gr FMJ BT. The "match" grade is even better. I've no experience with their pistol caliber ammo, tho.
Oh, I think that in most calibers Prvi is a respectable manufacturer. I've had great results with their .223 62 gr FMJ BT. The "match" grade is even better. I've no experience with their pistol caliber ammo, tho.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 27, 2020 08:58 PM (EgshT)
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208 My 12 year old son is a natural shooter. I've got to get him in a shooting league or competition shooting.
Posted by: thathalfrican - Clark Kent with the glasses off at September 27, 2020 08:57 PM (IYHxL)
Do eet! Be prepared to shell out some serious bucks though. If he's a real prodigy maybe he can get a sponsor or something.
Posted by: thathalfrican - Clark Kent with the glasses off at September 27, 2020 08:57 PM (IYHxL)
Do eet! Be prepared to shell out some serious bucks though. If he's a real prodigy maybe he can get a sponsor or something.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 27, 2020 08:58 PM (uKHZJ)
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Thanks again, Mr. Weasel. Good life planning in having the farm to go to.
Posted by: FloridaMan at September 27, 2020 08:58 PM (HCeRP)
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Starting to get very comfy with my Walther.
Posted by: thathalfrican - Clark Kent with the glasses off at September 27, 2020 08:54 PM (IYHxL)
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Keep up the good work!
Posted by: thathalfrican - Clark Kent with the glasses off at September 27, 2020 08:54 PM (IYHxL)
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Keep up the good work!
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 08:58 PM (MVjcR)
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Weasel,
I've shot up a fair amount of Prvi Partizan ammo over the years. It's good plinking ammo, decently priced, and very reliable. But it is nowhere near competition quality. The brass is quite reusable however.
I've shot up a fair amount of Prvi Partizan ammo over the years. It's good plinking ammo, decently priced, and very reliable. But it is nowhere near competition quality. The brass is quite reusable however.
Posted by: JTB at September 27, 2020 08:59 PM (7EjX1)
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Posted by: thathalfrican - Clark Kent with the glasses off at September 27, 2020 08:56 PM (IYHxL)
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Happy to do it! Thanks!
Posted by: thathalfrican - Clark Kent with the glasses off at September 27, 2020 08:56 PM (IYHxL)
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Happy to do it! Thanks!
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 08:59 PM (MVjcR)
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Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 27, 2020 08:58 PM (uKHZJ)
What we talking? Cuz......funds are not unlimited. I love my children but, we do have budgets.
What we talking? Cuz......funds are not unlimited. I love my children but, we do have budgets.
Posted by: thathalfrican - Clark Kent with the glasses off at September 27, 2020 09:00 PM (IYHxL)
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Another batch of rifles, maybe still in the hands of the ROK, is about 100K Jap type 99s. These were quickly converted to 30'06 in Japan, rechambered and the receiver modified for length at the beginning of the Korean war. Intent was to arm reserves and constabulary. Supposedly marked US 30.
Posted by: bill in arkansas at September 27, 2020 08:44 PM (YxnTr)
I had a friend give me about 100 rounds which were head stamped .30-O6. When I tried to chamber them in a M1903 Springfield, they were a no go. I looked closely at them and realized what they were......30-O6 reloaded/resized for Jap 7.7. Fatter/squatter round it looked like to me.
I put them thru a Type 99 no problem.
Glad my old brain remembered that back in the day lots of Jap Type 99 shooters reloaded/resized .30-O6 brass for the Jap 7.7mm.
Posted by: bill in arkansas at September 27, 2020 08:44 PM (YxnTr)
I had a friend give me about 100 rounds which were head stamped .30-O6. When I tried to chamber them in a M1903 Springfield, they were a no go. I looked closely at them and realized what they were......30-O6 reloaded/resized for Jap 7.7. Fatter/squatter round it looked like to me.
I put them thru a Type 99 no problem.
Glad my old brain remembered that back in the day lots of Jap Type 99 shooters reloaded/resized .30-O6 brass for the Jap 7.7mm.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 27, 2020 09:00 PM (Z+IKu)
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Thanks for another great gub thread, Weasel!
I am thinking seriously about the Texas MoMe.
I may even bring an upright bass.
I am thinking seriously about the Texas MoMe.
I may even bring an upright bass.
Posted by: navybrat waits and watches at September 27, 2020 09:01 PM (w7KSn)
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I bought a 1000 rounds of Privi in 5.56 several crises ago. I break into it now and then. Shoots just fine.
Posted by: RI Red at September 27, 2020 09:01 PM (uykKQ)
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Well, my friend and I took a range safety course this past week, which ended with some practical, er, practice. I put 30 of 30 shots from a revolver (20, 22? the bullets surprised me by how tiny they were), which didn't seem impressive to me based on the ranges we were at (5, 10, 15 yards), but the instructor said that result would qualify (or maybe where on the target I hit) me for the concealed carry test if we wanted to come back later for those. From my count, I got 19 of the 25 9mm on target afterwards. I found I had trouble holding one eye shut for those, and my glasses fogged up a bit. So I was wondering if that's a normal thing that happens?
Posted by: Methos at September 27, 2020 09:01 PM (kOpft)
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Now...range report and then I'll read comments
Did get to the range with the Nurse yesterday. I lucked into 250 rounds of 9mm and the Nurse and I each spent a box of it.
I was using my CZ P-07 DAO pistol. The gun is killer accurate....when I don't throw flyers. Seriously, I'll get three rounds in one hole and then...the next two will wander. Grr. Still getting used to the DAO trigger. But no malfunctions with the new firing pin and firing pin spring.
Then went to .22 Kadet mode and did some 5 shot drills: 5 round strong hand (5 yards), reload, 5 more rounds weak hand. Good drill. My left hand shoot a lot but rounds were on target, oddly. Strong hand groups were better.
All in all, a great day shooting. Next week...dunno. Will probably bring my A1 style 20" AR15, haven't fired it in a decade, easily.
Did get to the range with the Nurse yesterday. I lucked into 250 rounds of 9mm and the Nurse and I each spent a box of it.
I was using my CZ P-07 DAO pistol. The gun is killer accurate....when I don't throw flyers. Seriously, I'll get three rounds in one hole and then...the next two will wander. Grr. Still getting used to the DAO trigger. But no malfunctions with the new firing pin and firing pin spring.
Then went to .22 Kadet mode and did some 5 shot drills: 5 round strong hand (5 yards), reload, 5 more rounds weak hand. Good drill. My left hand shoot a lot but rounds were on target, oddly. Strong hand groups were better.
All in all, a great day shooting. Next week...dunno. Will probably bring my A1 style 20" AR15, haven't fired it in a decade, easily.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 27, 2020 09:01 PM (d1uFV)
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215 Thanks again, Mr. Weasel. Good life planning in having the farm to go to.
Posted by: FloridaMan at September 27, 2020 08:58 PM (HCeRP)
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My pleasure! Funny how that worked out, huh?
Posted by: FloridaMan at September 27, 2020 08:58 PM (HCeRP)
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My pleasure! Funny how that worked out, huh?
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 09:01 PM (MVjcR)
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If you fire rifle that is held perfectly level, and drop a bullet from muzzle height at exactly the same time, both will hit the ground at the same time.
Posted by: Jack Schitt at September 27, 2020 09:01 PM (SnLSx)
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A select fire version of the M-1 Carbine, known as the M-2, go for around $10,000 and up today.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 27, 2020 08:49 PM (Z+IKu)
The parts needed to make an M1 into an M2 were widely available, in
the 90s, if you knew where to look. Gun Parts Corp. Big gun shows.
Posted by: Gref at September 27, 2020 08:54 PM
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Used to be able to get all of the parts to make an M1 Carbine into a full auto from Shotgun news back in the 80s. They sold conversion parts kits for nearly everything then. The ATF got hot on that stuff and pretty much shut everything down.
They had a Sten gun parts kit that included everything except for the receiver. They included a template that you could just paste onto a tube to cut out a receiver. Cut it out as indicated, assemble it with the parts provided and you had a full auto gun, albeit an unregistered gun.
Rumor was the FBI and ATF went to those companies and got their mailing lists. Not sure if that was true or not, but that was the rumor. I knew one guy who bought a bunch of those kits.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 27, 2020 08:49 PM (Z+IKu)
The parts needed to make an M1 into an M2 were widely available, in
the 90s, if you knew where to look. Gun Parts Corp. Big gun shows.
Posted by: Gref at September 27, 2020 08:54 PM
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Used to be able to get all of the parts to make an M1 Carbine into a full auto from Shotgun news back in the 80s. They sold conversion parts kits for nearly everything then. The ATF got hot on that stuff and pretty much shut everything down.
They had a Sten gun parts kit that included everything except for the receiver. They included a template that you could just paste onto a tube to cut out a receiver. Cut it out as indicated, assemble it with the parts provided and you had a full auto gun, albeit an unregistered gun.
Rumor was the FBI and ATF went to those companies and got their mailing lists. Not sure if that was true or not, but that was the rumor. I knew one guy who bought a bunch of those kits.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at September 27, 2020 09:01 PM (JUOKG)
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221 Thanks for another great gub thread, Weasel!
I am thinking seriously about the Texas MoMe.
I may even bring an upright bass.
Posted by: navybrat waits and watches at September 27, 2020 09:01 PM (w7KSn)
Usually they're stuffed and glued to a plaque.
I am thinking seriously about the Texas MoMe.
I may even bring an upright bass.
Posted by: navybrat waits and watches at September 27, 2020 09:01 PM (w7KSn)
Usually they're stuffed and glued to a plaque.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 27, 2020 09:01 PM (uKHZJ)
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Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 08:58 PM (MVjcR)
I'm going once a week on Sundays. Got my CCW certification last weekend, took the boy this weekend to shoot.
We're doing five rounds and then; two hand shooting, dominant hand shooting, weak hand shooting.
Two the chest, one to the head and two to the chest.
Rinse repeat until we're out. I'm a fairly in shape guy but holy shit the last few rounds, we we're fatigued our placement was SHIT at the end.
I'm going once a week on Sundays. Got my CCW certification last weekend, took the boy this weekend to shoot.
We're doing five rounds and then; two hand shooting, dominant hand shooting, weak hand shooting.
Two the chest, one to the head and two to the chest.
Rinse repeat until we're out. I'm a fairly in shape guy but holy shit the last few rounds, we we're fatigued our placement was SHIT at the end.
Posted by: thathalfrican - Clark Kent with the glasses off at September 27, 2020 09:01 PM (IYHxL)
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I'm glad we had that little safety talk guys. I have had a few ADs in the past 60 years, and they scared the snot outta of me.
Posted by: Eromero at September 27, 2020 09:02 PM (XhWtx)
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217 Weasel,
I've shot up a fair amount of Prvi Partizan ammo over the years. It's good plinking ammo, decently priced, and very reliable. But it is nowhere near competition quality. The brass is quite reusable however.
Posted by: JTB at September 27, 2020 08:59 PM (7EjX1)
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Sure. I agree. I'd still have liked to see the group a little tighter - maybe closer to 2 MOA. I'm sure that some of it was me paying too much attention to cameras and microphones and not enough on my shooting!
I've shot up a fair amount of Prvi Partizan ammo over the years. It's good plinking ammo, decently priced, and very reliable. But it is nowhere near competition quality. The brass is quite reusable however.
Posted by: JTB at September 27, 2020 08:59 PM (7EjX1)
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Sure. I agree. I'd still have liked to see the group a little tighter - maybe closer to 2 MOA. I'm sure that some of it was me paying too much attention to cameras and microphones and not enough on my shooting!
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 09:03 PM (MVjcR)
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Right. It's just that, hypothetically speaking,
it would be interesting if I knew someone who owned one that just
happened to have the select fire disabled but capable of being restored
to original working condition. Hypothetically.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 27, 2020 08:53 PM (uKHZJ)
There aren't any permanent modifications to go from M1 to M2 if I remember right. Its all parts, and even the stock is different, so you just take it apart and reassemble it different. IF I remember right, its been a long time.
Right. It's just that, hypothetically speaking,
it would be interesting if I knew someone who owned one that just
happened to have the select fire disabled but capable of being restored
to original working condition. Hypothetically.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 27, 2020 08:53 PM (uKHZJ)
There aren't any permanent modifications to go from M1 to M2 if I remember right. Its all parts, and even the stock is different, so you just take it apart and reassemble it different. IF I remember right, its been a long time.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at September 27, 2020 09:03 PM (9Om/r)
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So I was wondering if that's a normal thing that happens?
Posted by: Methos at September 27, 2020 09:01 PM (kOpft)
Jah, glasses and goggles fog up. Getting a pair that fits your face, which may involve a trip to the optometrist, helps. There are also de-fogging compounds you can spray or apply to the lenses.
Posted by: Methos at September 27, 2020 09:01 PM (kOpft)
Jah, glasses and goggles fog up. Getting a pair that fits your face, which may involve a trip to the optometrist, helps. There are also de-fogging compounds you can spray or apply to the lenses.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 27, 2020 09:04 PM (d1uFV)
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You get my email, Weasel?
Posted by: GWB at September 27, 2020 09:04 PM (FKJuo)
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Right. It's just that, hypothetically speaking, it would be interesting if I knew someone who owned one that just happened to have the select fire disabled but capable of being restored to original working condition. Hypothetically.
Hypothetically, that person is in possession of a machine gun and if that machine gun wasn't on the NFA register as of some particular date (I think either in 1989 or 1994, both are relevant to NFA but I forget which date is for what), that person should just arrange to have it discretely slipped into his casket because there is (currently) no way get it registered and make it legally transferable. Hypothetically, that is.
Hypothetically, that person is in possession of a machine gun and if that machine gun wasn't on the NFA register as of some particular date (I think either in 1989 or 1994, both are relevant to NFA but I forget which date is for what), that person should just arrange to have it discretely slipped into his casket because there is (currently) no way get it registered and make it legally transferable. Hypothetically, that is.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at September 27, 2020 09:04 PM (qc+VF)
Posted by: totally not garrett at September 27, 2020 09:04 PM (zlfaw)
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Weasel, thanks again for a great gun thread. Lots of little chunks of information in the content and the comments.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 27, 2020 09:04 PM (uyKdz)
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Methos, if your glasses are fogging up, quit panting.
Seriously, just move them a bit off your nose.
Seriously, just move them a bit off your nose.
Posted by: RI Red at September 27, 2020 09:05 PM (uykKQ)
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228 221 Thanks for another great gub thread, Weasel!
I am thinking seriously about the Texas MoMe.
I may even bring an upright bass.
Posted by: navybrat waits and watches at September 27, 2020 09:01 PM (w7KSn)
Usually they're stuffed and glued to a plaque.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 27, 2020 09:01 PM (uKHZJ)
Lovely singing voice, tho
I am thinking seriously about the Texas MoMe.
I may even bring an upright bass.
Posted by: navybrat waits and watches at September 27, 2020 09:01 PM (w7KSn)
Usually they're stuffed and glued to a plaque.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 27, 2020 09:01 PM (uKHZJ)
Lovely singing voice, tho
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 27, 2020 09:05 PM (d1uFV)
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221 Thanks for another great gub thread, Weasel!
I am thinking seriously about the Texas MoMe.
I may even bring an upright bass.
Posted by: navybrat waits and watches at September 27, 2020 09:01 PM (w7KSn)
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Happy to do it, and hope you can make it to TX!
I am thinking seriously about the Texas MoMe.
I may even bring an upright bass.
Posted by: navybrat waits and watches at September 27, 2020 09:01 PM (w7KSn)
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Happy to do it, and hope you can make it to TX!
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 09:05 PM (MVjcR)
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And I put the blame solely on Weasel - "Say, Red, have you tried different seating depths with your reloading?" That was several calibers and thousands of rounds of ammo ago.
BTW, thank you.
Posted by: RI Red at September 27, 2020 08:42 PM (uykKQ
You got rabbit holed by a weasel. It happens.
BTW, thank you.
Posted by: RI Red at September 27, 2020 08:42 PM (uykKQ
You got rabbit holed by a weasel. It happens.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 27, 2020 09:05 PM (kTi97)
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220 Jap 99s rechambered to 30'06 will often give you a bulged case, 7.7 Jap being a little fatter. Nothing to really worry about with the robust Arisaka action. A whole bunch have killed a whole bunch of deer over the years. "Last Ditch" rifles are another story, but those are so crummy they're obviously do not touch, hang on wall.
Posted by: bill in arkansas at September 27, 2020 09:05 PM (YxnTr)
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I've run close to a Thousand rounds of privi partisan 308 thru my M1a with good results. Lots of dead pigs!
Posted by: rancherbob at September 27, 2020 09:05 PM (gtu9W)
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There are also de-fogging compounds you can spray or apply to the lenses.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 27, 2020 09:04 PM (d1uFV)
The defogger I used when I dove was spitting into my mask then rinsing before putting on my face.Not sure if that will help here.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 27, 2020 09:04 PM (d1uFV)
The defogger I used when I dove was spitting into my mask then rinsing before putting on my face.Not sure if that will help here.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 27, 2020 09:06 PM (uyKdz)
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Nurse ratched,
What was wrong that caused the upper to get "blowed up"?
P.S. I sometimes shoot (or let kids shoot) without eye protection. Does eye protection need to be added to the "always" gun rules?
What was wrong that caused the upper to get "blowed up"?
P.S. I sometimes shoot (or let kids shoot) without eye protection. Does eye protection need to be added to the "always" gun rules?
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at September 27, 2020 09:06 PM (tkyK5)
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230 I'm glad we had that little safety talk guys. I have had a few ADs in the past 60 years, and they scared the snot outta of me.
Posted by: Eromero at September 27, 2020 09:02 PM (XhWtx)
A few?
Posted by: Eromero at September 27, 2020 09:02 PM (XhWtx)
A few?
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 27, 2020 09:07 PM (kTi97)
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212 Hi Maaaaaaarrrrrrrrrkkkkkkk!
Posted by: Nurse ratched at September 27, 2020 08:58 PM (U2p+3)
*waves at Nurse*
Posted by: Nurse ratched at September 27, 2020 08:58 PM (U2p+3)
*waves at Nurse*
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 27, 2020 09:07 PM (d1uFV)
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Weasel - great breakdown on the possibles on the carbine/ammo/self accuracy. I really appreciate this, Should help a bit when I get back to MT for Deer season and can advise (now, better) one of my Scouts who loves (loves loves) hunting with his Dad and yrstrly with the 30 Cal
McGyver, over
McGyver, over
Posted by: McGyver at September 27, 2020 09:07 PM (rJ1YP)
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The parts needed to make an M1 into an M2 were widely available, in the 90s, if you knew where to look. Gun Parts Corp. Big gun shows.
Posted by: Gref at September 27, 2020 08:54 PM
NOTE! For anyone here considering converting an M1 to a full-auto M2, it is ILLEGAL. I believe the BATF severely frowns on a person owning both an M1 and just one of the 7 or 8 M2-specific parts.
Posted by: Gref at September 27, 2020 08:54 PM
NOTE! For anyone here considering converting an M1 to a full-auto M2, it is ILLEGAL. I believe the BATF severely frowns on a person owning both an M1 and just one of the 7 or 8 M2-specific parts.
Posted by: Gref at September 27, 2020 09:08 PM (AMIL/)
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Pillage Idiot @ 154- As to the shotguns, Weasel and one of the Ettes had a trap setup last year. As I am a handgun sorta guy I will defer to Weasel and Jim on the possible inclusion of familiarization and patterning.
Posted by: Eromero at September 27, 2020 09:08 PM (XhWtx)
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237 Weasel, thanks again for a great gun thread. Lots of little chunks of information in the content and the comments.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 27, 2020 09:04 PM (uyKdz)
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Glad you liked it pal!
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 27, 2020 09:04 PM (uyKdz)
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Glad you liked it pal!
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 09:08 PM (MVjcR)
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I mentioned this the last time Weasel posted a video. Listen to his breathing as he lines up the shot. The microphone picks it up. That's a lesson in breath control by a world class competitor. I know when I do it correctly my shooting improves.
Posted by: JTB at September 27, 2020 09:09 PM (7EjX1)
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219 Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 27, 2020 08:58 PM (uKHZJ)
What we talking? Cuz......funds are not unlimited. I love my children but, we do have budgets.
Posted by: thathalfrican - Clark Kent with the glasses off at September 27, 2020 09:00 PM (IYHxL)
It all depends on what kind of competitions you want him to get into. Three-gun or Olympic style rifle are going to be a pretty expensive up front investment. And then there's all the ammo.
What we talking? Cuz......funds are not unlimited. I love my children but, we do have budgets.
Posted by: thathalfrican - Clark Kent with the glasses off at September 27, 2020 09:00 PM (IYHxL)
It all depends on what kind of competitions you want him to get into. Three-gun or Olympic style rifle are going to be a pretty expensive up front investment. And then there's all the ammo.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 27, 2020 09:09 PM (uKHZJ)
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P.S. I sometimes shoot (or let kids shoot) without eye protection. Does eye protection need to be added to the "always" gun rules?
Posted by: Pillage Idiot
Yes. Yes. Yes.
Always wear eye protection. Every. Single. Round.
Posted by: Pillage Idiot
Yes. Yes. Yes.
Always wear eye protection. Every. Single. Round.
Posted by: Nurse ratched at September 27, 2020 09:09 PM (U2p+3)
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234 You get my email, Weasel?
Posted by: GWB at September 27, 2020 09:04 PM (FKJuo)
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One tonight? Didn't see anything.
Posted by: GWB at September 27, 2020 09:04 PM (FKJuo)
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One tonight? Didn't see anything.
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 09:09 PM (MVjcR)
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Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 27, 2020 08:31 PM (/Dgcm)
I bet it was a slog. Would you have changed the make up if you could have?
Posted by: Weaning is hard at September 27, 2020 08:50 PM (2DOZq)
Just kidding about the road march. It was just the SAW for that. But we moved we had to carry both (into the truck, into the plane..).
The one time we were sent 'downrange' for a tour the squad 'carried' the excess SAWs when on QRF. As well as all the other shit. Being 12B the other shit was a bunch of C-4, det cord, etc, much of it already molded into fun shapes. All this was on a truck parked at our tent... which was on the edge of the camp in case something goes boom.
Given our mission was to breach obstacles most of us would be providing suppressive fire while 'Speedy' goes in with the satchel.
So maybe not too much SAW for that.
I bet it was a slog. Would you have changed the make up if you could have?
Posted by: Weaning is hard at September 27, 2020 08:50 PM (2DOZq)
Just kidding about the road march. It was just the SAW for that. But we moved we had to carry both (into the truck, into the plane..).
The one time we were sent 'downrange' for a tour the squad 'carried' the excess SAWs when on QRF. As well as all the other shit. Being 12B the other shit was a bunch of C-4, det cord, etc, much of it already molded into fun shapes. All this was on a truck parked at our tent... which was on the edge of the camp in case something goes boom.
Given our mission was to breach obstacles most of us would be providing suppressive fire while 'Speedy' goes in with the satchel.
So maybe not too much SAW for that.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 27, 2020 09:09 PM (/Dgcm)
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245 Nurse ratched,
What was wrong that caused the upper to get "blowed up"?
P.S. I sometimes shoot (or let kids shoot) without eye protection. Does eye protection need to be added to the "always" gun rules?
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at September 27, 2020 09:06 PM (tkyK5)
Always wear eye protection. Brass can get everywhere, if nothing else.
What I think happened was the nickel-cased ammo was slightly out of spec. It either didn't allow the chamber to completely close...or it was an over-charged round. That's my guess. Nurse was shooting the G44 when it went wonky.
I was dis-assembling it when, yes, the hidden round in the chamber went off.
It was AFTER it went off, I realize the extractor was missing as racking the slide several times didn't remove the round in the chamber.
Oh well. It was pointed in a safe direction and I learned some valuable safety reminders.
What was wrong that caused the upper to get "blowed up"?
P.S. I sometimes shoot (or let kids shoot) without eye protection. Does eye protection need to be added to the "always" gun rules?
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at September 27, 2020 09:06 PM (tkyK5)
Always wear eye protection. Brass can get everywhere, if nothing else.
What I think happened was the nickel-cased ammo was slightly out of spec. It either didn't allow the chamber to completely close...or it was an over-charged round. That's my guess. Nurse was shooting the G44 when it went wonky.
I was dis-assembling it when, yes, the hidden round in the chamber went off.
It was AFTER it went off, I realize the extractor was missing as racking the slide several times didn't remove the round in the chamber.
Oh well. It was pointed in a safe direction and I learned some valuable safety reminders.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 27, 2020 09:10 PM (d1uFV)
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P.S. I sometimes shoot (or let kids shoot) without eye protection. Does eye protection need to be added to the "always" gun rules?
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at September 27, 2020 09:06 PM (tkyK5)
Yes. ALWAYS wear eye protection.
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at September 27, 2020 09:06 PM (tkyK5)
Yes. ALWAYS wear eye protection.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 27, 2020 09:10 PM (uKHZJ)
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Yes. ALWAYS wear eye protection.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 27, 2020 09:10 PM (uKHZJ)
THIS!!!!! EVERY!!!!!SINGLE!!!!!!TIME!!!!!
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 27, 2020 09:10 PM (uKHZJ)
THIS!!!!! EVERY!!!!!SINGLE!!!!!!TIME!!!!!
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 27, 2020 09:12 PM (uyKdz)
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Eyes and ears. Every time.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 27, 2020 09:12 PM (kTi97)
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250 Pillage Idiot @ 154- As to the shotguns, Weasel and one of the Ettes had a trap setup last year. As I am a handgun sorta guy I will defer to Weasel and Jim on the possible inclusion of familiarization and patterning.
Posted by: Eromero at September 27, 2020 09:08 PM (XhWtx)
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OK with me as long as we clear it with RancherBob and Ben Had.
Posted by: Eromero at September 27, 2020 09:08 PM (XhWtx)
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OK with me as long as we clear it with RancherBob and Ben Had.
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 09:12 PM (MVjcR)
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As to ADs. Actually NDs. As in negligent.
I've had two. One with a .22 on which I "might" have been experimenting with the sear, just becuz.
The other was on my son's SW MP 9C, which I had just traded him for.
I do not like having to Squeeze a Trigger as part of disassembly. But the other Rules saved me.
I learned.
I've had two. One with a .22 on which I "might" have been experimenting with the sear, just becuz.
The other was on my son's SW MP 9C, which I had just traded him for.
I do not like having to Squeeze a Trigger as part of disassembly. But the other Rules saved me.
I learned.
Posted by: RI Red at September 27, 2020 09:13 PM (uykKQ)
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Eyes and ears. Every time.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 27, 2020 09:12 PM (kTi97)
Concur.
Safety first.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 27, 2020 09:12 PM (kTi97)
Concur.
Safety first.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 27, 2020 09:14 PM (Z+IKu)
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Has anyone ever had a "why am I without a weapon at the ready" when out shooting on forest or blm lands?
Posted by: OrangeEnt at September 27, 2020 08:58 PM (0jfkF)
Well, I guess it's just been me then....
Posted by: OrangeEnt at September 27, 2020 08:58 PM (0jfkF)
Well, I guess it's just been me then....
Posted by: OrangeEnt at September 27, 2020 09:14 PM (0jfkF)
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I don't know anything about guns but I just want to brag that my AR-15 toting mama won second prize in an amateur shooting contest down in Florida yesterday.
She was in the "super-senior" over-80 group. (She's 87.)
Okay, there were only 7 competing, but still .....
She was the only woman and the 2nd oldest.
She was in the "super-senior" over-80 group. (She's 87.)
Okay, there were only 7 competing, but still .....
She was the only woman and the 2nd oldest.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at September 27, 2020 09:14 PM (M/9m0)
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I am thinking seriously about the Texas MoMe.
I may even bring an upright bass.
Posted by: navybrat waits and watches at September 27, 2020 09:01 PM (w7KSn)
I wonder if anybody is bringing guitars.
I may even bring an upright bass.
Posted by: navybrat waits and watches at September 27, 2020 09:01 PM (w7KSn)
I wonder if anybody is bringing guitars.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at September 27, 2020 09:14 PM (9Om/r)
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145 I've a Rock-o-la as well as a Universal. If anyone is interested, most important parts ARE NOT interchangeable.
The Universal is a commercial copy, correct? Is everything interchangeable between all the different USGI makers? I would certainly have assumed so.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at September 27, 2020 08:35 PM (qc+VF)
Not all Universal parts are GI. So though some mfgs are completely interchangeable, Universal may not be.
The Universal is a commercial copy, correct? Is everything interchangeable between all the different USGI makers? I would certainly have assumed so.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at September 27, 2020 08:35 PM (qc+VF)
Not all Universal parts are GI. So though some mfgs are completely interchangeable, Universal may not be.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 27, 2020 09:14 PM (d1uFV)
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Eromero,
I wasn't even think trap range, just something for noobs and "non-shotgun" people to try.
Remington 870, and Ithaca Ultra-lights in 12 and 20. The Ithaca's would be nice for some of our smaller shooters that want to try less weight but full size and evaluate the recoil.
The Ithacas are also good for lefties, since they eject down, rather than across your face when shooting left-handed.
I wasn't even think trap range, just something for noobs and "non-shotgun" people to try.
Remington 870, and Ithaca Ultra-lights in 12 and 20. The Ithaca's would be nice for some of our smaller shooters that want to try less weight but full size and evaluate the recoil.
The Ithacas are also good for lefties, since they eject down, rather than across your face when shooting left-handed.
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at September 27, 2020 09:14 PM (tkyK5)
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262 As to ADs. Actually NDs. As in negligent.
I've had two. One with a .22 on which I "might" have been experimenting with the sear, just becuz.
The other was on my son's SW MP 9C, which I had just traded him for.
I do not like having to Squeeze a Trigger as part of disassembly. But the other Rules saved me.
I learned.
Posted by: RI Red at September 27, 2020 09:13 PM (uykKQ)
I do not like it either. I greatly prefer having a takedown lever.
I've had two. One with a .22 on which I "might" have been experimenting with the sear, just becuz.
The other was on my son's SW MP 9C, which I had just traded him for.
I do not like having to Squeeze a Trigger as part of disassembly. But the other Rules saved me.
I learned.
Posted by: RI Red at September 27, 2020 09:13 PM (uykKQ)
I do not like it either. I greatly prefer having a takedown lever.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 27, 2020 09:14 PM (uKHZJ)
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265 I don't know anything about guns but I just want to brag that my AR-15 toting mama won second prize in an amateur shooting contest down in Florida yesterday.
She was in the "super-senior" over-80 group. (She's 87.)
Okay, there were only 7 competing, but still .....
She was the only woman and the 2nd oldest.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at September 27, 2020 09:14 PM (M/9m0)
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NICE!! Congratulations to mom!
She was in the "super-senior" over-80 group. (She's 87.)
Okay, there were only 7 competing, but still .....
She was the only woman and the 2nd oldest.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at September 27, 2020 09:14 PM (M/9m0)
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NICE!! Congratulations to mom!
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 09:15 PM (MVjcR)
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I've been hit in the face with blow back from dirty rounds.
Also been hit with flying brass from other shooters.
The eyeball is a mushy grape. Doesn't take much to hurt it.
Also been hit with flying brass from other shooters.
The eyeball is a mushy grape. Doesn't take much to hurt it.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 27, 2020 09:15 PM (kTi97)
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I've had several occasions throughout the years where I was really glad I had on eye protection.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 27, 2020 09:16 PM (EgshT)
Posted by: Nurse ratched at September 27, 2020 09:16 PM (U2p+3)
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I just want to brag that my AR-15 toting mama won second prize in an amateur shooting contest down in Florida yesterday.
She was in the "super-senior" over-80 group. (She's 87.)
GO MOM!! Give her a big hug from all the Morons.
She was in the "super-senior" over-80 group. (She's 87.)
GO MOM!! Give her a big hug from all the Morons.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at September 27, 2020 09:16 PM (qc+VF)
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250 Pillage Idiot @ 154- As to the shotguns, Weasel and one of the Ettes
had a trap setup last year. As I am a handgun sorta guy I will defer to
Weasel and Jim on the possible inclusion of familiarization and
patterning.
Posted by: Eromero at September 27, 2020 09:08 PM (XhWtx)
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OK with me as long as we clear it with RancherBob and Ben Had.
I'm ok. We just need to designate an area.
250 Pillage Idiot @ 154- As to the shotguns, Weasel and one of the Ettes
had a trap setup last year. As I am a handgun sorta guy I will defer to
Weasel and Jim on the possible inclusion of familiarization and
patterning.
Posted by: Eromero at September 27, 2020 09:08 PM (XhWtx)
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OK with me as long as we clear it with RancherBob and Ben Had.
I'm ok. We just need to designate an area.
Posted by: rancherbob at September 27, 2020 09:16 PM (gtu9W)
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@briantylercohen 14m
NEW: Former Trump campaign manager Brad Parscale, armed and threatening suicide, barricaded himself in his Florida home. Police transported him to the Broward Health Medical Center.
I liked this guy and didn't really understand the shakeup in the campaign. Maybe they noticed issues with him. Praying for him and his family.
NEW: Former Trump campaign manager Brad Parscale, armed and threatening suicide, barricaded himself in his Florida home. Police transported him to the Broward Health Medical Center.
I liked this guy and didn't really understand the shakeup in the campaign. Maybe they noticed issues with him. Praying for him and his family.
Posted by: Tami at September 27, 2020 09:16 PM (cF8AT)
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Another time to be wearing eye protection is when you're breaking down firearms.
Springs are springy.
Springs are springy.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 27, 2020 09:17 PM (kTi97)
Posted by: Nurse ratched at September 27, 2020 09:17 PM (U2p+3)
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Okay, there were only 7 competing, but still .....
She was the only woman and the 2nd oldest.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at September 27, 2020 09:14 PM (M/9m0)
A win is a win. I can't imagine that age group would have too many contestants anyway....
She was the only woman and the 2nd oldest.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at September 27, 2020 09:14 PM (M/9m0)
A win is a win. I can't imagine that age group would have too many contestants anyway....
Posted by: OrangeEnt at September 27, 2020 09:17 PM (0jfkF)
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NOTE! For anyone here considering converting an M1
to a full-auto M2, it is ILLEGAL. I believe the BATF severely frowns on
a person owning both an M1 and just one of the 7 or 8 M2-specific
parts.
Posted by: Gref at September 27, 2020 09:08 PM (AMIL/)
Yeah that would be suicide. I fired one years ago at some event in PA. Personally, I kinda thought it was an uncontrollable pos, soooo not worth pissing the government off over.
to a full-auto M2, it is ILLEGAL. I believe the BATF severely frowns on
a person owning both an M1 and just one of the 7 or 8 M2-specific
parts.
Posted by: Gref at September 27, 2020 09:08 PM (AMIL/)
Yeah that would be suicide. I fired one years ago at some event in PA. Personally, I kinda thought it was an uncontrollable pos, soooo not worth pissing the government off over.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at September 27, 2020 09:17 PM (9Om/r)
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Pulling the trigger on a gun as part of the take down process is just stupid.
Really, really stupid.
Really, really stupid.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 27, 2020 09:18 PM (3H9h1)
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268 Don't forget Browning BPS shotguns. Downward ejection like an Ithaca, but with a top of the receiver safety like a Mossberg 500. Good for lefties, good for the rest of us.
Posted by: bill in arkansas at September 27, 2020 09:18 PM (YxnTr)
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I wonder if anybody is bringing guitars.
Personally, I am utterly without musical skills of any kind but I think it would be awesome if those with talent shared it with the rest of us.
Personally, I am utterly without musical skills of any kind but I think it would be awesome if those with talent shared it with the rest of us.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at September 27, 2020 09:18 PM (qc+VF)
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Nurse, I am so glad we met you. This is a great group of like-minded folks.
You keep your head down on that Tuesday in November.
You keep your head down on that Tuesday in November.
Posted by: RI Red at September 27, 2020 09:18 PM (uykKQ)
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281> "Having to pull the trigger...."
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 27, 2020 09:19 PM (3H9h1)
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NOTE! For anyone here considering converting an M1
to a full-auto M2, it is ILLEGAL. I believe the BATF severely frowns on
a person owning both an M1 and just one of the 7 or 8 M2-specific
parts.
Posted by: Gref at September 27, 2020 09:08 PM (AMIL/)
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Exactly this.
to a full-auto M2, it is ILLEGAL. I believe the BATF severely frowns on
a person owning both an M1 and just one of the 7 or 8 M2-specific
parts.
Posted by: Gref at September 27, 2020 09:08 PM (AMIL/)
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Exactly this.
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 09:19 PM (MVjcR)
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Weasel,
I have Ben Had's email. Will contact directly about the shotguns since the consensus appears to be that Ben is the "controlling legal authority"!
I have Ben Had's email. Will contact directly about the shotguns since the consensus appears to be that Ben is the "controlling legal authority"!
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at September 27, 2020 09:19 PM (tkyK5)
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AlaBAMA @246- 60 years is a long time to have only seen 3 ADs, especially with as much time was spent with firearms.
Posted by: Eromero at September 27, 2020 09:19 PM (XhWtx)
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Sorry to go OT, but pray for Brad Parscale.
Posted by: WeBoned! at September 27, 2020 09:19 PM (8k7U7)
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Use your best judgement. If Jacob Blake spent the morning getting coked up and is coming at you with a knife and a tire iron, shoot first, glasses later.
Posted by: lowandslow at September 27, 2020 09:20 PM (4thlk)
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O'Keefe drops tape on voter fraud tied to Omar.
Posted by: Ha at September 27, 2020 09:20 PM (/o7t3)
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I wonder if anybody is bringing guitars.
Personally, I am utterly without musical skills of any kind but I
think it would be awesome if those with talent shared it with the rest
of us.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at September 27, 2020 09:18 PM (qc+VF)
Shit, if I was driving I could being enough for everybody, lol. Unfortunately I'm probably going to fly, and that means traveling light.
Personally, I am utterly without musical skills of any kind but I
think it would be awesome if those with talent shared it with the rest
of us.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at September 27, 2020 09:18 PM (qc+VF)
Shit, if I was driving I could being enough for everybody, lol. Unfortunately I'm probably going to fly, and that means traveling light.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at September 27, 2020 09:20 PM (9Om/r)
Posted by: navybrat waits and watches at September 27, 2020 09:21 PM (w7KSn)
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270---NICE!! Congratulations to mom!
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 09:15 PM (MVjcR)
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275 ---GO MOM!! Give her a big hug from all the Morons.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at September 27, 2020 09:16 PM (qc+VF)
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Thanks!
I'm so proud of her.
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 09:15 PM (MVjcR)
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275 ---GO MOM!! Give her a big hug from all the Morons.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at September 27, 2020 09:16 PM (qc+VF)
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Thanks!
I'm so proud of her.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at September 27, 2020 09:21 PM (M/9m0)
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Ben is the "controlling legal authority"!
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at September 27, 2020 09:19 PM (tkyK5)
I thought everyone in Texas already knew that!
/s
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at September 27, 2020 09:19 PM (tkyK5)
I thought everyone in Texas already knew that!
/s
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar -Your Rulers Have, and Deserve, Different Rules! - at September 27, 2020 09:21 PM (2C38g)
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I don't know anything about guns but I just want to brag that my AR-15 toting mama won second prize in an amateur shooting contest down in Florida yesterday.
She was in the "super-senior" over-80 group. (She's 87.)
Okay, there were only 7 competing, but still .....
She was the only woman and the 2nd oldest.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille
Congratulations on your mom's shooting!
She was in the "super-senior" over-80 group. (She's 87.)
Okay, there were only 7 competing, but still .....
She was the only woman and the 2nd oldest.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille
Congratulations on your mom's shooting!
Posted by: AZ deplorably isolated at September 27, 2020 09:21 PM (gtatv)
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I have Ben Had's email. Will contact directly about the shotguns since the consensus appears to be that Ben is the "controlling legal authority"!
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at September 27, 2020 09:19 PM (tkyK5)
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OK. I will probably be spending a lot of time at the rifle range so we'd need to discuss logistics.
I have Ben Had's email. Will contact directly about the shotguns since the consensus appears to be that Ben is the "controlling legal authority"!
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at September 27, 2020 09:19 PM (tkyK5)
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OK. I will probably be spending a lot of time at the rifle range so we'd need to discuss logistics.
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 09:21 PM (MVjcR)
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I do wish more guns were like SIG or Springfield Armory or Beretta on take down.
Never had a ND taking down a Glock before...just glad it happened at the range, with the muzzle pointed downrange instead of at home.
Never had a ND taking down a Glock before...just glad it happened at the range, with the muzzle pointed downrange instead of at home.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 27, 2020 09:22 PM (d1uFV)
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All the comments made me think a little... Weasel produced excellent videos and collected information for us, which is really quite awesome. I don't really know anywhere else that even comes close. Thanks Weasel. This is the best shooters forum there is in my not altogether humble opinion. What a great place, full of great people...
Posted by: Jesse in DC at September 27, 2020 09:22 PM (ouR/N)
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar -Your Rulers Have, and Deserve, Different Rules! - at September 27, 2020 09:23 PM (2C38g)
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50 years ago, when I was in the Army, I watched an Artillery demonstration. IIRC the 155mm Howitzers were 12 miles away. The target was the hulk of an APC. Every time they hit it (which was every time they fired for effect), the spotter would have to adjust the aim, because the 155 mm rounds would send the APC flying.
Then they fired an Artillery barage of rounds full of anti personnel grenades, that would bounce off the ground to about waist high and detonate. The Barage shredded an area the size of a football field. It was at this point that I made a mental note to never, ever, put myself in a position where the U.S. Army was firing Artillery at me.
Then they fired an Artillery barage of rounds full of anti personnel grenades, that would bounce off the ground to about waist high and detonate. The Barage shredded an area the size of a football field. It was at this point that I made a mental note to never, ever, put myself in a position where the U.S. Army was firing Artillery at me.
Posted by: An Observation at September 27, 2020 09:23 PM (qXLZ+)
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Know full well having a gun biz the radio host can not just tell a caller anything but "surrender to law enforcement", but dang someone called and had dad's bringback but not amnestyed german machine pistol sub gun and asked about it. Wild stuff is still out there in the wild, this is socal!
Plus saw two helicopter gunships fly over van nuys today!
Plus saw two helicopter gunships fly over van nuys today!
Posted by: banned at September 27, 2020 09:23 PM (948iZ)
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Mrs. Red ran a bunch of 5Ks in the last few years (before her knee went south). She loved being in the top three of the 60+ group. She even won some of them.
Hey, a win is win!
Hey, a win is win!
Posted by: RI Red at September 27, 2020 09:23 PM (uykKQ)
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@briantylercohen 14m
NEW: Former Trump campaign manager Brad Parscale, armed and threatening suicide, barricaded himself in his Florida home. Police transported him to the Broward Health Medical Center.
I liked this guy and didn't really understand the shakeup in the campaign. Maybe they noticed issues with him. Praying for him and his family.
Posted by: Tami at September 27, 2020 09:16 PM (cF8AT)
If true this was a HIPAA violation to report it.
NEW: Former Trump campaign manager Brad Parscale, armed and threatening suicide, barricaded himself in his Florida home. Police transported him to the Broward Health Medical Center.
I liked this guy and didn't really understand the shakeup in the campaign. Maybe they noticed issues with him. Praying for him and his family.
Posted by: Tami at September 27, 2020 09:16 PM (cF8AT)
If true this was a HIPAA violation to report it.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 27, 2020 09:24 PM (/Dgcm)
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Speaking of eye protection. For those of us who need glasses to see more than 6 inches away, I always specify shatterproof lenses. Also I get larger frames and lenses. None of those fashionable narrow rectangular frames from a few years ago. I want coverage.
Posted by: JTB at September 27, 2020 09:24 PM (7EjX1)
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That's a mom to brag about. Good for you!
Posted by: Nurse ratched at September 27, 2020 09:17 PM (U2p+3)
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A win is a win. I can't imagine that age group would have too many contestants anyway....
Posted by: OrangeEnt at September 27, 2020 09:17 PM (0jfkF)
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I knew Morons would appreciate it!
That's a mom to brag about. Good for you!
Posted by: Nurse ratched at September 27, 2020 09:17 PM (U2p+3)
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A win is a win. I can't imagine that age group would have too many contestants anyway....
Posted by: OrangeEnt at September 27, 2020 09:17 PM (0jfkF)
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I knew Morons would appreciate it!
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at September 27, 2020 09:25 PM (M/9m0)
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I wonder if anybody is bringing guitars.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at September 27, 2020 09:14 PM (9Om/r
I can check with Mr. Bassman to see what instruments he might be willing to bring. We had a jam session at one of our Colorado MoMees with MereMortal, Piercello, and I forget the other fellow. It was awesome!
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at September 27, 2020 09:14 PM (9Om/r
I can check with Mr. Bassman to see what instruments he might be willing to bring. We had a jam session at one of our Colorado MoMees with MereMortal, Piercello, and I forget the other fellow. It was awesome!
Posted by: Emmie at September 27, 2020 09:25 PM (4JM5Y)
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Congrats to Margarita's mom!
Posted by: Emmie at September 27, 2020 09:26 PM (4JM5Y)
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If anyone is interested, Noreen Firearms in MT has a MSR in 30-06 Their BN36X3 - Carbine is very nice. I'm gonna ask them for a demo when I get home over the Columbus Holiday
McGyver, over
McGyver, over
Posted by: McGyver at September 27, 2020 09:26 PM (rJ1YP)
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296---Congratulations on your mom's shooting!
Posted by: AZ deplorably isolated at September 27, 2020 09:21 PM (gtatv)
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Good on your mama!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar -Your Rulers Have, and Deserve, Different Rules! - at September 27, 2020 09:23 PM (2C38g)
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Posted by: AZ deplorably isolated at September 27, 2020 09:21 PM (gtatv)
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Good on your mama!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar -Your Rulers Have, and Deserve, Different Rules! - at September 27, 2020 09:23 PM (2C38g)
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Posted by: Margarita DeVille at September 27, 2020 09:27 PM (M/9m0)
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276 @briantylercohen 14m
NEW: Former Trump campaign manager Brad Parscale, armed and threatening suicide, barricaded himself in his Florida home. Police transported him to the Broward Health Medical Center.
If Trump wins or loses, Brad is going to prison. He fucked up personally profiting way too much while running and being involved with Trump's campaign. Trump knows this. Brad had his financial interests everywhere in that campaign so Trump couldn't fire him. The scandal would be too big.
He is toast in 2021.
NEW: Former Trump campaign manager Brad Parscale, armed and threatening suicide, barricaded himself in his Florida home. Police transported him to the Broward Health Medical Center.
If Trump wins or loses, Brad is going to prison. He fucked up personally profiting way too much while running and being involved with Trump's campaign. Trump knows this. Brad had his financial interests everywhere in that campaign so Trump couldn't fire him. The scandal would be too big.
He is toast in 2021.
Posted by: totally not garrett at September 27, 2020 09:27 PM (5r2D6)
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RancherBob,
I typed another response before I saw you were in the thread.
I am a first-timer for the TX MoMe, so I don't know if anyone will even want to shoot a shotgun. However, since I am driving, I thought I would bring them.
I just wanted to help out the people with "home defense" type questions. Spread at 20 feet?, how much recoil?, etc.
If you have range room for cardboard targets and grant approval for shotguns, then I will be happy to bring them.
I typed another response before I saw you were in the thread.
I am a first-timer for the TX MoMe, so I don't know if anyone will even want to shoot a shotgun. However, since I am driving, I thought I would bring them.
I just wanted to help out the people with "home defense" type questions. Spread at 20 feet?, how much recoil?, etc.
If you have range room for cardboard targets and grant approval for shotguns, then I will be happy to bring them.
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at September 27, 2020 09:27 PM (tkyK5)
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OK, going to admit it. Once I hit steel at loong range, I had to adjust my prone position. A little elevation from the mid-section.
I self denounce. Sort of.
I self denounce. Sort of.
Posted by: RI Red at September 27, 2020 09:28 PM (uykKQ)
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308 Congrats to Margarita's mom!
Posted by: Emmie at September 27, 2020 09:26 PM (4JM5Y)
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Posted by: Emmie at September 27, 2020 09:26 PM (4JM5Y)
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Posted by: Margarita DeVille at September 27, 2020 09:28 PM (M/9m0)
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Posted by: Jesse in DC at September 27, 2020 09:22 PM (ouR/N)
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Why thank you, Jesse in DC! As I say each week, it is all of you all that make this fun and a hopefully unique little corner of the internet. My goal when I started doing this was to hopefully have something different, and you guys and gals deserve all the credit. No shit. Thank you all!
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Why thank you, Jesse in DC! As I say each week, it is all of you all that make this fun and a hopefully unique little corner of the internet. My goal when I started doing this was to hopefully have something different, and you guys and gals deserve all the credit. No shit. Thank you all!
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 09:28 PM (MVjcR)
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Gunzzz!
And, even better, M1 Carbine!
Thanks, Weasel.
Just so happens my own 1943 Quality Hardware M1 is taken apart on the bench right now. Used it in the pit/short range portion of an action rifle match last weekend (big brother M1 was used on the main range, targets 100 - 200 yds).
When I was clearing/checking it before putting it in the case in the trunk, I musta pulled the slide out at the notch, the bolt kinda half-exited the receiver. So looked up the issue at CMP forums and on UToob, and think I've confirmed it was in fact a human glitch - the receiver slide slot and the square protusion (damn, forget the term just now) on the slide looks OK.
And, even better, M1 Carbine!
Thanks, Weasel.
Just so happens my own 1943 Quality Hardware M1 is taken apart on the bench right now. Used it in the pit/short range portion of an action rifle match last weekend (big brother M1 was used on the main range, targets 100 - 200 yds).
When I was clearing/checking it before putting it in the case in the trunk, I musta pulled the slide out at the notch, the bolt kinda half-exited the receiver. So looked up the issue at CMP forums and on UToob, and think I've confirmed it was in fact a human glitch - the receiver slide slot and the square protusion (damn, forget the term just now) on the slide looks OK.
Posted by: rhomboid at September 27, 2020 09:29 PM (OTzUX)
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Every time my son comes home from college, I tell him as soon as we walk in "Remember if you see a gun around here, it is loaded. Not 'assume it is loaded,' it IS loaded.
Posted by: SacredCow at September 27, 2020 09:29 PM (D4VQX)
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NOTE! For anyone here considering converting an M1
to a full-auto M2, it is ILLEGAL. I believe the BATF severely frowns on a person owning both an M1 and just one of the 7 or 8 M2-specific
parts.
Posted by: Gref at September 27, 2020 09:08 PM (AMIL/)
NOTE 2: Some M2-denoted parts ARE LEGAL TO USE IN AN M1 SEMI-AUTO. M2 stocks, and M2 trigger housings. Flat bolts are sometimes called M2 bolts, but they are not specific to the M2.
Crap, I'm sorry I brought up the subject of M2 parts. My knowledge of carbine stuff got the better of me. If you buy an "M1" carbine from an FFL holder, it will be legal, and you do not need to worry about a visit from the Feds.
Weasel, anything to add?
Weasel, I sho
to a full-auto M2, it is ILLEGAL. I believe the BATF severely frowns on a person owning both an M1 and just one of the 7 or 8 M2-specific
parts.
Posted by: Gref at September 27, 2020 09:08 PM (AMIL/)
NOTE 2: Some M2-denoted parts ARE LEGAL TO USE IN AN M1 SEMI-AUTO. M2 stocks, and M2 trigger housings. Flat bolts are sometimes called M2 bolts, but they are not specific to the M2.
Crap, I'm sorry I brought up the subject of M2 parts. My knowledge of carbine stuff got the better of me. If you buy an "M1" carbine from an FFL holder, it will be legal, and you do not need to worry about a visit from the Feds.
Weasel, anything to add?
Weasel, I sho
Posted by: Gref at September 27, 2020 09:29 PM (AMIL/)
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Praying for him and his family.
Posted by: Tami at September 27, 2020 09:16 PM (cF8AT)
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Yes. It sounds ...... not good. Not good at all.
Posted by: Tami at September 27, 2020 09:16 PM (cF8AT)
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Yes. It sounds ...... not good. Not good at all.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at September 27, 2020 09:29 PM (M/9m0)
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312 RancherBob,
I typed another response before I saw you were in the thread.
I am a first-timer for the TX MoMe, so I don't know if anyone will even want to shoot a shotgun. However, since I am driving, I thought I would bring them.
I just wanted to help out the people with "home defense" type questions. Spread at 20 feet?, how much recoil?, etc.
If you have range room for cardboard targets and grant approval for shotguns, then I will be happy to bring them.
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at September 27, 2020 09:27 PM (tkyK5)
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PI - send me an email and I will help coordinate. Thx.
I typed another response before I saw you were in the thread.
I am a first-timer for the TX MoMe, so I don't know if anyone will even want to shoot a shotgun. However, since I am driving, I thought I would bring them.
I just wanted to help out the people with "home defense" type questions. Spread at 20 feet?, how much recoil?, etc.
If you have range room for cardboard targets and grant approval for shotguns, then I will be happy to bring them.
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at September 27, 2020 09:27 PM (tkyK5)
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PI - send me an email and I will help coordinate. Thx.
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 09:31 PM (MVjcR)
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If Trump wins or loses, Brad is going to prison. He fucked up personally profiting way too much while running and being involved with Trump's campaign. Trump knows this. Brad had his financial interests everywhere in that campaign so Trump couldn't fire him. The scandal would be too big.
He is toast in 2021.
Posted by: totally not garrett at September 27, 2020 09:27 PM (5r2D6)
I didn't know this. Also, I just realized I was confusing Brad Parscale with Mark Short. Mark is the one I like but still prayers up for Brad.
He is toast in 2021.
Posted by: totally not garrett at September 27, 2020 09:27 PM (5r2D6)
I didn't know this. Also, I just realized I was confusing Brad Parscale with Mark Short. Mark is the one I like but still prayers up for Brad.
Posted by: Tami at September 27, 2020 09:31 PM (cF8AT)
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O/T
Tami, The other day you mentioned photographer Jack Curren had passed away and provided a link to his website. Thank you. The man had a wonderful talent. His photographs are world class: technically brilliant and creative. I ordered his book just to pore over.
Tami, The other day you mentioned photographer Jack Curren had passed away and provided a link to his website. Thank you. The man had a wonderful talent. His photographs are world class: technically brilliant and creative. I ordered his book just to pore over.
Posted by: JTB at September 27, 2020 09:31 PM (7EjX1)
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Weasel, I think the accuracy you achieved there was perfectly within the intended purpose of the platform when produced. If you look at the M1 Carbine qualifying targets, they're not that demanding. Forget the details, but putting X number of rounds inside the black on that doesn't seem difficult.
In fact you demonstrated the practical accuracy required, and then some. Yes, from a rest. But 100 yds. What a 10" radius steel target? A bit more demanding then a human torso profile, which is the relevant kind of target.
In fact you demonstrated the practical accuracy required, and then some. Yes, from a rest. But 100 yds. What a 10" radius steel target? A bit more demanding then a human torso profile, which is the relevant kind of target.
Posted by: rhomboid at September 27, 2020 09:31 PM (OTzUX)
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When I was clearing/checking it before putting it in the case in the trunk, I musta pulled the slide out at the notch, the bolt kinda half-exited the receiver. So looked up the issue at CMP forums and on UToob, and think I've confirmed it was in fact a human glitch - the receiver slide slot and the square protusion (damn, forget the term just now) on the slide looks OK.
Posted by: rhomboid at September 27, 2020 09:29 PM (OTzUX)
There is a trick you can do to pop the bolt out without having to disassemble the rifle.
https://tinyurl.com/y5v24hpk
Posted by: rhomboid at September 27, 2020 09:29 PM (OTzUX)
There is a trick you can do to pop the bolt out without having to disassemble the rifle.
https://tinyurl.com/y5v24hpk
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 27, 2020 09:32 PM (Z+IKu)
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 09:32 PM (MVjcR)
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...someone called and had dad's bringback but not amnestyed german machine pistol sub gun and asked about it. Wild stuff is still out there in the wild, this is socal!
One of the things that either GOA or SAF (but not NRA because of course not) has been trying to do for years is to get Congress to mandate that BATFE reopen the NFA registry and allow an amnesty period so people in that position (hypothetically!) can get legal. AFAIK, it's never gotten any traction. It would be a great way repay the poke in the eye Obama gave to gun owners that was mentioned upthread.
One of the things that either GOA or SAF (but not NRA because of course not) has been trying to do for years is to get Congress to mandate that BATFE reopen the NFA registry and allow an amnesty period so people in that position (hypothetically!) can get legal. AFAIK, it's never gotten any traction. It would be a great way repay the poke in the eye Obama gave to gun owners that was mentioned upthread.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at September 27, 2020 09:33 PM (qc+VF)
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One the out-size rear sight adjustment - at least elevation - you have to make. My Quality Hardware's the same - and I'm fairly sure it's because the blade on the front sight is too high, and should be ground down.
But I'm not touching this one - even though it's a typical mix-master, re-arsenaled, etc. Not gonna go grinding metal off the front sight blade. But doing so would make my elevation adjustments more normal, and your M1 might be the same.
But I'm not touching this one - even though it's a typical mix-master, re-arsenaled, etc. Not gonna go grinding metal off the front sight blade. But doing so would make my elevation adjustments more normal, and your M1 might be the same.
Posted by: rhomboid at September 27, 2020 09:33 PM (OTzUX)
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Long story short- major cardiac event on September 12, then triple bypass surgery on the 16th. Got discharged this past Friday. Still a real hurting puppy. No range time for a good while for me, I'm afraid.
So I will live vicariously through your exploits.
Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at September 27, 2020 07:51 PM (bAe71)
As long as you are looking at the grass from the right side, it's all good.
So I will live vicariously through your exploits.
Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at September 27, 2020 07:51 PM (bAe71)
As long as you are looking at the grass from the right side, it's all good.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 27, 2020 09:33 PM (wodp1)
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Hrothgar,
"I thought everyone in Texas already knew that!"
I am close, but not quite from "around there".
Plus, I sometimes have to say stuff to make sure I remain worthy of my last name
"I thought everyone in Texas already knew that!"
I am close, but not quite from "around there".
Plus, I sometimes have to say stuff to make sure I remain worthy of my last name
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at September 27, 2020 09:34 PM (tkyK5)
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NOTE! For anyone here considering converting an M1
to a full-auto M2, it is ILLEGAL. I believe the BATF severely frowns on
a person owning both an M1 and just one of the 7 or 8 M2-specific
parts.
Posted by: Gref at September 27, 2020 09:08 PM (AMIL/)
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Exactly this.
However there is prospective good news, possibly coming in the future, with the SCOTUS minus the Notorious RBG. Perhaps the 1934 Fire Arms act and the 1986 prohibition on newer machine guns, both go the way of the Dodo after being ruled that they both violate the second amendment. And, maybe we can even get concealed carry reciprocity in Trump's second term.
to a full-auto M2, it is ILLEGAL. I believe the BATF severely frowns on
a person owning both an M1 and just one of the 7 or 8 M2-specific
parts.
Posted by: Gref at September 27, 2020 09:08 PM (AMIL/)
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Exactly this.
However there is prospective good news, possibly coming in the future, with the SCOTUS minus the Notorious RBG. Perhaps the 1934 Fire Arms act and the 1986 prohibition on newer machine guns, both go the way of the Dodo after being ruled that they both violate the second amendment. And, maybe we can even get concealed carry reciprocity in Trump's second term.
Posted by: An Observation at September 27, 2020 09:35 PM (qXLZ+)
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And wasn't the Carbine envisioned as a "replacement"/upgrade to the 1911, for support, mortar, transport units, etc? Thought that was the case, originally.
Public libraries don't buy such things, and not gonna drop the cash for the definitive industrial history - "War Baby" - maybe some Moron has read it, and can edumucate me on this point?
Public libraries don't buy such things, and not gonna drop the cash for the definitive industrial history - "War Baby" - maybe some Moron has read it, and can edumucate me on this point?
Posted by: rhomboid at September 27, 2020 09:35 PM (OTzUX)
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323 Weasel, I think the accuracy you achieved there was perfectly within the intended purpose of the platform when produced. If you look at the M1 Carbine qualifying targets, they're not that demanding. Forget the details, but putting X number of rounds inside the black on that doesn't seem difficult.
In fact you demonstrated the practical accuracy required, and then some. Yes, from a rest. But 100 yds. What a 10" radius steel target? A bit more demanding then a human torso profile, which is the relevant kind of target.
Posted by: rhomboid at September 27, 2020 09:31 PM (OTzUX)
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Thanks, I agree, but want to turn this into a little project and do a comparison test. Stay tuned!
In fact you demonstrated the practical accuracy required, and then some. Yes, from a rest. But 100 yds. What a 10" radius steel target? A bit more demanding then a human torso profile, which is the relevant kind of target.
Posted by: rhomboid at September 27, 2020 09:31 PM (OTzUX)
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Thanks, I agree, but want to turn this into a little project and do a comparison test. Stay tuned!
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 09:35 PM (MVjcR)
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Rock-Ola made juke boxes didn't they? Did every M-1 come with its own .45?
Posted by: Old Blue at September 27, 2020 07:52 PM (VNmG1)
In that era, juke boxes were loaded with 78 RPM records. The 45 didn't arrive until about 1949 or so.
Posted by: Old Blue at September 27, 2020 07:52 PM (VNmG1)
In that era, juke boxes were loaded with 78 RPM records. The 45 didn't arrive until about 1949 or so.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 27, 2020 09:36 PM (wodp1)
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"And wasn't the Carbine envisioned as a "replacement"/upgrade to the 1911..."
That is my understanding.
That is my understanding.
Posted by: navybrat waits and watches at September 27, 2020 09:36 PM (w7KSn)
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333 Rock-Ola made juke boxes didn't they? Did every M-1 come with its own .45?
Posted by: Old Blue at September 27, 2020 07:52 PM (VNmG1)
In that era, juke boxes were loaded with 78 RPM records. The 45 didn't arrive until about 1949 or so.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 27, 2020 09:36 PM (wodp1
Moron knowledge is impressive
Posted by: Old Blue at September 27, 2020 07:52 PM (VNmG1)
In that era, juke boxes were loaded with 78 RPM records. The 45 didn't arrive until about 1949 or so.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 27, 2020 09:36 PM (wodp1
Moron knowledge is impressive
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 27, 2020 09:36 PM (kTi97)
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Tami, The other day you mentioned photographer Jack Curren had passed away and provided a link to his website. Thank you. The man had a wonderful talent. His photographs are world class: technically brilliant and creative. I ordered his book just to pore over.
Posted by: JTB at September 27, 2020 09:31 PM (7EjX1)
Thanks JTB! His photography has won many awards and he taught classes too. He sat behind me in homeroom in HS. If you knew him then, you would have never thought he'd turn out like he did. He was pretty much high every day.
Such a loss. I'm still stunned at his passing.
Posted by: JTB at September 27, 2020 09:31 PM (7EjX1)
Thanks JTB! His photography has won many awards and he taught classes too. He sat behind me in homeroom in HS. If you knew him then, you would have never thought he'd turn out like he did. He was pretty much high every day.
Such a loss. I'm still stunned at his passing.
Posted by: Tami at September 27, 2020 09:36 PM (cF8AT)
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This is me saying g'night to all of you good folks.
Weasel - you da man. Great vids. And forum.
Weasel - you da man. Great vids. And forum.
Posted by: RI Red at September 27, 2020 09:36 PM (uykKQ)
Posted by: rancherbob at September 27, 2020 09:37 PM (gtu9W)
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And, maybe we can even get concealed carry reciprocity in Trump's second term.
Posted by: An Observation
This please!!!
Posted by: An Observation
This please!!!
Posted by: AZ deplorably isolated at September 27, 2020 09:37 PM (gtatv)
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331 And wasn't the Carbine envisioned as a "replacement"/upgrade to the 1911, for support, mortar, transport units, etc? Thought that was the case, originally.
Public libraries don't buy such things, and not gonna drop the cash for the definitive industrial history - "War Baby" - maybe some Moron has read it, and can edumucate me on this point?
Posted by: rhomboid at September 27, 2020 09:35 PM (OTzUX)
Jah, it was intended as a personal protection tool replacing the 1911, based on WW1 numbers where people who weren't Alvin York didn't kill too many Germans.
It was supposed to be for cooks and other support folks, vehicle crews, etc.
But the very light weight and 15 round capacity made the gun very popular with front line troops. Very popular in Asia, too where the small size and weight fits smaller folks better.
Public libraries don't buy such things, and not gonna drop the cash for the definitive industrial history - "War Baby" - maybe some Moron has read it, and can edumucate me on this point?
Posted by: rhomboid at September 27, 2020 09:35 PM (OTzUX)
Jah, it was intended as a personal protection tool replacing the 1911, based on WW1 numbers where people who weren't Alvin York didn't kill too many Germans.
It was supposed to be for cooks and other support folks, vehicle crews, etc.
But the very light weight and 15 round capacity made the gun very popular with front line troops. Very popular in Asia, too where the small size and weight fits smaller folks better.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 27, 2020 09:37 PM (d1uFV)
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327 One the out-size rear sight adjustment - at least elevation - you have to make. My Quality Hardware's the same - and I'm fairly sure it's because the blade on the front sight is too high, and should be ground down.
But I'm not touching this one - even though it's a typical mix-master, re-arsenaled, etc. Not gonna go grinding metal off the front sight blade. But doing so would make my elevation adjustments more normal, and your M1 might be the same.
Posted by: rhomboid at September 27, 2020 09:33 PM (OTzUX)
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Yep. Not touching the front sight here either. I think a velocity comparison test will be interesting. I don't recall this being an issue with other ammo.
But I'm not touching this one - even though it's a typical mix-master, re-arsenaled, etc. Not gonna go grinding metal off the front sight blade. But doing so would make my elevation adjustments more normal, and your M1 might be the same.
Posted by: rhomboid at September 27, 2020 09:33 PM (OTzUX)
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Yep. Not touching the front sight here either. I think a velocity comparison test will be interesting. I don't recall this being an issue with other ammo.
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 09:38 PM (MVjcR)
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I do like President Trump pick to replace RBG and I am hoping that more gun cases start heading towards the Supreme Court.
I will be even happier if President Trump wins reelection and another 1 or 2 Justices are replaced along with even more in the lower courts. If that happens maybe we can see more and more roll backs to restrictive and assinine gun laws. Hey, maybe I will be lucky and NY, NYC and NJ are forced to remove a lot of their laws because they are deemed unconstitutional.
I will be even happier if President Trump wins reelection and another 1 or 2 Justices are replaced along with even more in the lower courts. If that happens maybe we can see more and more roll backs to restrictive and assinine gun laws. Hey, maybe I will be lucky and NY, NYC and NJ are forced to remove a lot of their laws because they are deemed unconstitutional.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 27, 2020 09:39 PM (uyKdz)
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However there is prospective good news, possibly coming in the future, with the SCOTUS minus the Notorious RBG. Perhaps the 1934 Fire Arms act and the 1986 prohibition on newer machine guns, both go the way of the Dodo after being ruled that they both violate the second amendment. And, maybe we can even get concealed carry reciprocity in Trump's second term.
Posted by: An Observation at September 27, 2020 09:35 PM (qXLZ+)
This X 1000.
Posted by: An Observation at September 27, 2020 09:35 PM (qXLZ+)
This X 1000.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 27, 2020 09:39 PM (Z+IKu)
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Perhaps the 1934 Fire Arms act and the 1986 prohibition on newer machine guns, both go the way of the Dodo after being ruled that they both violate the second amendment.
If that happened, I would buy a jackhammer and carve GEOTUS on Mt. Rushmore myself.
If that happened, I would buy a jackhammer and carve GEOTUS on Mt. Rushmore myself.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at September 27, 2020 09:39 PM (qc+VF)
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Posted by: RI Red at September 27, 2020 09:36 PM (uykKQ)
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Thanks and goodnight, amigo. Hi to Mrs. Red!
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Thanks and goodnight, amigo. Hi to Mrs. Red!
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 09:40 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: rhomboid at September 27, 2020 09:40 PM (OTzUX)
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Any strong-fingered 'ettes in my AO? I could really use a neck rub right now. Ouch!
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 27, 2020 09:40 PM (uKHZJ)
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 09:41 PM (MVjcR)
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RI Red,
"OK, going to admit it. Once I hit steel at loong range, I had to adjust my prone position. A little elevation from the mid-section.
I self denounce. Sort of."
I believe the term schadenboner is actually AOS approved. Surely the Germans also have a word for "joy at your OWN good fortune". This is a creative bunch, I am sure that new word can be readily modified for use by Morons.
"OK, going to admit it. Once I hit steel at loong range, I had to adjust my prone position. A little elevation from the mid-section.
I self denounce. Sort of."
I believe the term schadenboner is actually AOS approved. Surely the Germans also have a word for "joy at your OWN good fortune". This is a creative bunch, I am sure that new word can be readily modified for use by Morons.
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at September 27, 2020 09:41 PM (tkyK5)
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McGyver, Noreen also makes that rifle in 300 win mag and 7mm rem mag. I'm too cheap but I'd like one of those. In fact I recently wrote Palmetto and asked if they had any plans to design an upper and lower to accommodate longer bullets, sadly no. If they did it , it would become the industry standard like DPMS and the AR10.
Posted by: ck at September 27, 2020 09:41 PM (iBg56)
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Weasel,
Getting close to ONT time. Thanks for another gun thread. I say that each week and I mean it each time. You do a great job putting the thread together.
And, of course, the thread attracts only the finest people to make comments.
Getting close to ONT time. Thanks for another gun thread. I say that each week and I mean it each time. You do a great job putting the thread together.
And, of course, the thread attracts only the finest people to make comments.
Posted by: JTB at September 27, 2020 09:41 PM (7EjX1)
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if an M-1 Carbine was good enough for Patty Hearst and the SLA, they are good enough for me.
the shootout here in Lost Angels went down just 2-3 miles from my home. yeah, we lived in the good part of town... /sarc
better yet, i was at Dodger Stadium that evening (YMCA outing), and you could see the smoke cloud from the parking lot... beautiful clear day it was,.
the shootout here in Lost Angels went down just 2-3 miles from my home. yeah, we lived in the good part of town... /sarc
better yet, i was at Dodger Stadium that evening (YMCA outing), and you could see the smoke cloud from the parking lot... beautiful clear day it was,.
Posted by: redc1c4 at September 27, 2020 09:42 PM (P8FeH)
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Posted by: JTB at September 27, 2020 09:41 PM (7EjX1)
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Thank you, JTB. It's always a pleasure to have you here. And Mrs. JTB too!
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Thank you, JTB. It's always a pleasure to have you here. And Mrs. JTB too!
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 09:43 PM (MVjcR)
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Weasel I've found that my real carbine has this elevation issue with PPU, Aguila, Magtech, and my own reloads (wherein the charge varies but only a bit, between 14.5 and 14.8g of H110, of course). That's why I think it's the front sight blade.
I just "hold up". Last week, shooting at tiny cardboard "heads", through obstacles, in the short-range stage, I did very well, even though of course I never practice such shooting with the M1 (though I should, and have planned to in the past, since range access and ammo cost are not issues).
I just "hold up". Last week, shooting at tiny cardboard "heads", through obstacles, in the short-range stage, I did very well, even though of course I never practice such shooting with the M1 (though I should, and have planned to in the past, since range access and ammo cost are not issues).
Posted by: rhomboid at September 27, 2020 09:43 PM (OTzUX)
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And, of course, the thread attracts only the finest people to make comments.
Posted by: JTB at September 27, 2020 09:41 PM (7EjX1)
Well, mostly.
Posted by: JTB at September 27, 2020 09:41 PM (7EjX1)
Well, mostly.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 27, 2020 09:43 PM (uKHZJ)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 27, 2020 09:43 PM (kTi97)
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Bob the Bilderberg IDK about Universal, they had like 3 and a half different models. IF you have a govt model, everything "should" match up.
McGyver, over
McGyver, over
Posted by: McGyver at September 27, 2020 09:43 PM (rJ1YP)
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Getting close to ONT time. Thanks for another gun thread. I say that each week and I mean it each time. You do a great job putting the thread together.
Yeah, ^that^.
Yeah, ^that^.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at September 27, 2020 09:44 PM (qc+VF)
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ep. Not touching the front sight here either. I think a velocity comparison test will be interesting. I don't recall this being an issue with other ammo.
From the video I see that your M1 went through the 1945 Springfield upgrade which added the bayonet lug and the range adjustable sights. I think the problem is the new sight with its ghost ring is a different height than the the original flip up 2 range sight. My M1 has to be set at 175 yards to hit a 6" 6 o'clock bull at 100 yds.
From the video I see that your M1 went through the 1945 Springfield upgrade which added the bayonet lug and the range adjustable sights. I think the problem is the new sight with its ghost ring is a different height than the the original flip up 2 range sight. My M1 has to be set at 175 yards to hit a 6" 6 o'clock bull at 100 yds.
Posted by: Panhandler at September 27, 2020 09:44 PM (S/rwf)
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Call me sick and twisted but I've been wanting a revolver in 30 carbine.
Posted by: These fish sticks are hard as tits at September 27, 2020 09:44 PM (3AD8C)
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That's not mine (my vehicle is NOWHERE near that clean), I saw it online.
Posted by: JT at September 27, 2020 08:11 PM (arJlL)
The truck appears to be a late '60's or early '70's Chevy, maybe a customized restoration.
Posted by: JT at September 27, 2020 08:11 PM (arJlL)
The truck appears to be a late '60's or early '70's Chevy, maybe a customized restoration.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 27, 2020 09:44 PM (wodp1)
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360 Call me sick and twisted but I've been wanting a revolver in 30 carbine.
Posted by: These fish sticks are hard as tits at September 27, 2020 09:44 PM (3AD8C)
Just bought one.
Fingers crossed to see how the Blackhawk runs.
Posted by: These fish sticks are hard as tits at September 27, 2020 09:44 PM (3AD8C)
Just bought one.
Fingers crossed to see how the Blackhawk runs.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 27, 2020 09:45 PM (d1uFV)
Posted by: rancherbob at September 27, 2020 09:45 PM (gtu9W)
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If things get to where the NFA is revisited, or 1968, then I'll be happy, because that will mean the much more consequential/onerous/widespread infringements, most of fairly recent vintage, will have been swept away. So yeah, hoping for those 2 to get a look.
Though I strongly doubt it. While they are obviously unconstitutional, compared to the edifice of infringement that sprang up mostly in just the last 30 years, they represented fairly small problems.
Though I strongly doubt it. While they are obviously unconstitutional, compared to the edifice of infringement that sprang up mostly in just the last 30 years, they represented fairly small problems.
Posted by: rhomboid at September 27, 2020 09:45 PM (OTzUX)
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360 ... "Call me sick and twisted but I've been wanting a revolver in 30 carbine."
I mentioned above, Ruger makes a Blackhawk in 30 carbine.
I mentioned above, Ruger makes a Blackhawk in 30 carbine.
Posted by: JTB at September 27, 2020 09:46 PM (7EjX1)
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Posted by: rhomboid at September 27, 2020 09:43 PM (OTzUX)
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Agreed, I just want to measure the Prvi velocity against the published data for the carbine. And shoot a better group, too!
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Agreed, I just want to measure the Prvi velocity against the published data for the carbine. And shoot a better group, too!
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 09:46 PM (MVjcR)
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Thanks, RancherBob.
Will coordinate with Weasel. If he thinks worthwhile, then will get final approval from Ben Had.
Everything must go through the proper channels to make it up the chain of command!
Will coordinate with Weasel. If he thinks worthwhile, then will get final approval from Ben Had.
Everything must go through the proper channels to make it up the chain of command!
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at September 27, 2020 09:47 PM (tkyK5)
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Mrs. E wants a BFR. Thanks, whichever you knuckleheads was that brought that one last year.
Posted by: Eromero at September 27, 2020 09:47 PM (XhWtx)
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Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at September 27, 2020 09:44 PM (qc+VF)
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Thanks! Look forward to seeing you again soon!
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Thanks! Look forward to seeing you again soon!
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 09:48 PM (MVjcR)
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I also have an Auto Ordnance (now Kahr) reproduction M1, which I believe was based on the NRA museum's actual 1942 Winchester (something like that). Anyway it has the early/original features - push-button safety, flip up sights, no bayonet lug.
My 1943 QH has the push-button safety, which is odd. I didn't ask the guy I bought it from - a young collector - about it when I got it.
My 1943 QH has the push-button safety, which is odd. I didn't ask the guy I bought it from - a young collector - about it when I got it.
Posted by: rhomboid at September 27, 2020 09:48 PM (OTzUX)
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369 Mrs. E wants a BFR. Thanks, whichever you knuckleheads was that brought that one last year.
Posted by: Eromero at September 27, 2020 09:47 PM (XhWtx
Heh!
Posted by: Eromero at September 27, 2020 09:47 PM (XhWtx
Heh!
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 27, 2020 09:48 PM (kTi97)
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352 if an M-1 Carbine was good enough for Patty Hearst and the SLA, they are good enough for me.
Posted by: redc1c4 at September 27, 2020 09:42 PM (P8FeH)
Patty Hearst, aka Tanya, IIRC.
There's a slice of crazy 70s history that rarely if ever seems to get mentioned these days. It had the total attention of the entire country. through to to really understand it.
Posted by: redc1c4 at September 27, 2020 09:42 PM (P8FeH)
Patty Hearst, aka Tanya, IIRC.
There's a slice of crazy 70s history that rarely if ever seems to get mentioned these days. It had the total attention of the entire country. through to to really understand it.
Posted by: Gref at September 27, 2020 09:48 PM (AMIL/)
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360 Call me sick and twisted but I've been wanting a revolver in 30 carbine.
Posted by: These fish sticks are hard as tits at September 27, 2020 09:44 PM (3AD8C)
You're sick and twisted. By the way, they make a revolver in .45-70.
Posted by: These fish sticks are hard as tits at September 27, 2020 09:44 PM (3AD8C)
You're sick and twisted. By the way, they make a revolver in .45-70.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 27, 2020 09:49 PM (uKHZJ)
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359 ep. Not touching the front sight here either. I think a velocity comparison test will be interesting. I don't recall this being an issue with other ammo.
From the video I see that your M1 went through the 1945 Springfield upgrade which added the bayonet lug and the range adjustable sights. I think the problem is the new sight with its ghost ring is a different height than the the original flip up 2 range sight. My M1 has to be set at 175 yards to hit a 6" 6 o'clock bull at 100 yds.
Posted by: Panhandler at September 27, 2020 09:44 PM (S/rwf)
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Thanks Panhandler! I'll look into that. Appreciate it!
From the video I see that your M1 went through the 1945 Springfield upgrade which added the bayonet lug and the range adjustable sights. I think the problem is the new sight with its ghost ring is a different height than the the original flip up 2 range sight. My M1 has to be set at 175 yards to hit a 6" 6 o'clock bull at 100 yds.
Posted by: Panhandler at September 27, 2020 09:44 PM (S/rwf)
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Thanks Panhandler! I'll look into that. Appreciate it!
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 09:49 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Joe Biden killed my career at September 27, 2020 09:49 PM (HaL55)
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Thanks for the Gun Thread and vid Weasel! Can't make the MoMe, too many fires and planes out yet. Someday!
Regrets to Ben Had as well.
Regrets to Ben Had as well.
Posted by: DBCooper at September 27, 2020 09:50 PM (y1Mvi)
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Looking forward to the meetup. Great thread.
Posted by: rancherbob at September 27, 2020 09:45 PM (gtu9W)
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Thank you, RB! Looking forward to getting down there and seeing you again.
Looking forward to the meetup. Great thread.
Posted by: rancherbob at September 27, 2020 09:45 PM (gtu9W)
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Thank you, RB! Looking forward to getting down there and seeing you again.
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 09:50 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 27, 2020 09:51 PM (d1uFV)
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Posted by: DBCooper at September 27, 2020 09:50 PM (y1Mvi)
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My pleasure, DBCooper. Maybe next year!
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My pleasure, DBCooper. Maybe next year!
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 09:51 PM (MVjcR)
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There are some great photos of Wehrmacht troops using pick-up M1 Carbines in Europe (western front, of course). I believe it was the favorite Allied pick-up weapon.
Well, obviously all Allied ones would be in a second tier, as the quantities, and time to use them, were limited. They incorporated certain Soviet small arms into their logistics, of course because they captured an enormous quantity of them in 1941/42. Not much film footage of the eastern front where some feldgrau doesn't have a PPsh-41.
Well, obviously all Allied ones would be in a second tier, as the quantities, and time to use them, were limited. They incorporated certain Soviet small arms into their logistics, of course because they captured an enormous quantity of them in 1941/42. Not much film footage of the eastern front where some feldgrau doesn't have a PPsh-41.
Posted by: rhomboid at September 27, 2020 09:51 PM (OTzUX)
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"I wonder if anyone is bringing guitars."
I am NOT sending my DN8 down with NaCly.
Nor one of my drum sets.
Or my 70's Zildjian cymbals.
Guess I could send an old 5 pack of Honer Marine Band harps down. Probably a bad reed or two though.
"I wonder if anyone is bringing guitars."
I am NOT sending my DN8 down with NaCly.
Nor one of my drum sets.
Or my 70's Zildjian cymbals.
Guess I could send an old 5 pack of Honer Marine Band harps down. Probably a bad reed or two though.
Posted by: TeeJ at September 27, 2020 09:52 PM (Is4Ai)
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Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 27, 2020 09:51 PM (d1uFV)
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Thanks for being here every week, MAE. I appreciate it!
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Thanks for being here every week, MAE. I appreciate it!
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 09:52 PM (MVjcR)
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Rancher Bob, get out your recipe book, I'll be bringing you a package of gulf coast Grouper as a bribe, unless you're not interested.
Posted by: Panhandler at September 27, 2020 09:53 PM (S/rwf)
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pew pew
I got nuthin until I can go to the range mask-free
I got nuthin until I can go to the range mask-free
Posted by: DB- just DB. at September 27, 2020 09:53 PM (iTXRQ)
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I don't know anything about guns but I just want to brag that my AR-15 toting mama won second prize in an amateur shooting contest down in Florida yesterday.
She was in the "super-senior" over-80 group. (She's 87.)
Okay, there were only 7 competing, but still .....
She was the only woman and the 2nd oldest.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille
Congratulations on your mom's shooting!
Posted by: AZ deplorably isolated at September 27, 2020 09:21 PM (gtatv)
Next competition, blow up a paper bag and sneak up behind the leader then pop it.
Should do the trick.
She was in the "super-senior" over-80 group. (She's 87.)
Okay, there were only 7 competing, but still .....
She was the only woman and the 2nd oldest.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille
Congratulations on your mom's shooting!
Posted by: AZ deplorably isolated at September 27, 2020 09:21 PM (gtatv)
Next competition, blow up a paper bag and sneak up behind the leader then pop it.
Should do the trick.
Posted by: Diogenes at September 27, 2020 09:54 PM (axyOa)
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And last-minute tip for those lusting after a carbine - there are two current commercial reproductions being made, one by Kahr/Auto Ordnance, the other by a company that bought the "Inland" name just for the purpose.
Price may end up close to buying a "real" one, depending on your luck on latter. But new.
Great little rifles. My wife can shoot it as well as I can, and loves it. Only gun she doesn't whine about the weight. And recoil is just enough to know you fired.
Price may end up close to buying a "real" one, depending on your luck on latter. But new.
Great little rifles. My wife can shoot it as well as I can, and loves it. Only gun she doesn't whine about the weight. And recoil is just enough to know you fired.
Posted by: rhomboid at September 27, 2020 09:54 PM (OTzUX)
388
Next competition, blow up a paper bag and sneak up behind the leader then pop it.
Should do the trick.
Posted by: Diogenes at September 27, 2020 09:54 PM (axyOa)
Talk about a sudden death round...
Should do the trick.
Posted by: Diogenes at September 27, 2020 09:54 PM (axyOa)
Talk about a sudden death round...
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 27, 2020 09:54 PM (uKHZJ)
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 27, 2020 09:55 PM (Qhy4n)
390
My QH has a Rockola barrel - so, a juke-box carbine.
Posted by: rhomboid at September 27, 2020 09:56 PM (OTzUX)
391
389 I want an IBM M-1 Carbine.
Kills Fascists and Commies while tackling my taxes.
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 27, 2020 09:55 PM (Qhy4n)
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Me too!
Kills Fascists and Commies while tackling my taxes.
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 27, 2020 09:55 PM (Qhy4n)
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Me too!
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 09:56 PM (MVjcR)
392
And I saw M1s carried by school group leaders/teachers in Israel, years ago. Probably still happening.
Posted by: rhomboid at September 27, 2020 09:56 PM (OTzUX)
393
The ONT should be along at any time and I will check back in the morning for any late questions or comments. You're always welcome to email me, too!
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 09:58 PM (MVjcR)
394
I wonder if anybody is bringing guitars.
I have a 40 year old guitar I can bring. I can't play much at all, but I'm sure that there would be somebody there who would like to play it.
I have a 40 year old guitar I can bring. I can't play much at all, but I'm sure that there would be somebody there who would like to play it.
Posted by: An Observation at September 27, 2020 09:58 PM (qXLZ+)
Posted by: President loses money every year at September 27, 2020 09:59 PM (NYS9F)
Posted by: rancherbob at September 27, 2020 09:59 PM (gtu9W)
397
Final note on M1 Garand match before I wander: My first shot, front post, center of target, was high, basically twelve o'clock.
Put the target dot on the front post, rather than center post on the target dot, and started putting rounds in the 9 ring.
You've no idea how thrilled I was to keep as many rounds as I did in the black.
We won't discuss my off-hand shooting. But, I know where I need to practice.
Oh yeah, learn to use a sling when shooting prone. It makes a world of difference.
Put the target dot on the front post, rather than center post on the target dot, and started putting rounds in the 9 ring.
You've no idea how thrilled I was to keep as many rounds as I did in the black.
We won't discuss my off-hand shooting. But, I know where I need to practice.
Oh yeah, learn to use a sling when shooting prone. It makes a world of difference.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at September 27, 2020 10:02 PM (WEBkv)
398
My father--Infantry platoon leader and occasional company commander until they could find another captain--carried one in the ETO. He said he liked it, not having the primary job of shooting Germans. Organizing the shooting of Germans is why he got the big bucks.
He said it was effective out to 250 yards, combining consistency in accuracy and busting cover. Certainly effective when it hit a German.
I'm old enough to remember when the NRA would sell you one for $20 when you enrolled. So I did. Turned out to be approximately the 800,000th in line, so I didn't enroll the next year.
Friend had one and I fired it quite a bit. Loved it. Combined ease of handling with effectiveness for its role, and any role we are likely to see sillyvilians taking on in the near future. Plus, it's a good looking gun.
Ammo was a drug on the market. Good times.
Now trying to buy a pistol based solely on what ammo is going to be available first.
Was Infantry AIT training officer at Ft. Jackson, spring and summer of 1970. I swear loaded weapons give off a vibe. Plenty of chances to check.
Friend showed me a mini-micro Kimber 9. Got lost in my hand. Love to get a slab side.
He said it was effective out to 250 yards, combining consistency in accuracy and busting cover. Certainly effective when it hit a German.
I'm old enough to remember when the NRA would sell you one for $20 when you enrolled. So I did. Turned out to be approximately the 800,000th in line, so I didn't enroll the next year.
Friend had one and I fired it quite a bit. Loved it. Combined ease of handling with effectiveness for its role, and any role we are likely to see sillyvilians taking on in the near future. Plus, it's a good looking gun.
Ammo was a drug on the market. Good times.
Now trying to buy a pistol based solely on what ammo is going to be available first.
Was Infantry AIT training officer at Ft. Jackson, spring and summer of 1970. I swear loaded weapons give off a vibe. Plenty of chances to check.
Friend showed me a mini-micro Kimber 9. Got lost in my hand. Love to get a slab side.
Posted by: Richard Aubrey at September 27, 2020 10:03 PM (Kbz6P)
399
Very popular in Asia, too where the small size and weight fits smaller folks better.
As I have related before, my first night in Vietnam, mission was to be the armed security for a couple of 12 ton S and P's full of M1 carbines for transfer to the ARVN.
Do you realize what two tractor trailers full of M1 carbines would be worth today?
As I have related before, my first night in Vietnam, mission was to be the armed security for a couple of 12 ton S and P's full of M1 carbines for transfer to the ARVN.
Do you realize what two tractor trailers full of M1 carbines would be worth today?
Posted by: An Observation at September 27, 2020 10:04 PM (qXLZ+)
400
Hmmm, 10:03 and no ONT yet. Can we make it to 500?
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at September 27, 2020 10:04 PM (qc+VF)
401
ONT
Posted by: buzzion at September 27, 2020 10:07 PM (vMCab)
402
I think everyone is upstairs clicking the refresh button.
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 10:07 PM (MVjcR)
403
Hmmm, 10:03 and no ONT yet. Can we make it to 500?
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at September 27, 2020 10:04 PM (qc+VF)
Maybe. Have you ever been out shooting on public land and been without a sidearm? With other people coming by you and looking unsavory?
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at September 27, 2020 10:04 PM (qc+VF)
Maybe. Have you ever been out shooting on public land and been without a sidearm? With other people coming by you and looking unsavory?
Posted by: OrangeEnt at September 27, 2020 10:07 PM (0jfkF)
404
Richard Aubrey @ 398- Big hands? CZ75-SP-01. Feels right and is to my mind a cross between a 1911 and a Hi-Power. And with that, thanks Weasel and good night to all. 0400 and whatnot.
Posted by: Eromero at September 27, 2020 10:08 PM (XhWtx)
405
OK, ONT is up! Have a great week everyone and see you next Sunday! Thanks again!
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 10:08 PM (MVjcR)
406
Nood ONT!
Posted by: Iris at September 27, 2020 10:09 PM (6lKe4)
407
ONT
Oh yeah, a dead guy (thanks Bluebell) says there's a new thread - I'll give it some consideration.
Oh yeah, a dead guy (thanks Bluebell) says there's a new thread - I'll give it some consideration.
Posted by: Panhandler at September 27, 2020 10:09 PM (S/rwf)
408
Thanks for the vid, Weasel. I love my Inland.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at September 27, 2020 10:09 PM (0jfkF)
409
so interesting. thanks
Posted by: LASue at September 27, 2020 10:10 PM (Ed8Zd)
410
I have had a gun go "blooey" Literally, have a round in the chamber, and Ka-Boom? Blew out the mag, shredded the action, blew off the dustcover (AK, OK). Eyes, Ears Plugs AND Muffs. Powder burns on my left cheek and cuts on my face and scalp from the dustcover flying off. No major damage because I was wearing PPE. DO IT. ALWAYS.
McGyver, Over
McGyver, Over
Posted by: McGyver at September 27, 2020 10:10 PM (rJ1YP)
411
Maybe. Have you ever been out shooting on public land and been without a sidearm? With other people coming by you and looking unsavory?
I have lived in Texas most of my life where, for practical purposes, there is no federal land and I'm not really aware of any state land open for hunting or shooting.
I have lived in Texas most of my life where, for practical purposes, there is no federal land and I'm not really aware of any state land open for hunting or shooting.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at September 27, 2020 10:11 PM (qc+VF)
412
"Hmmm, 10:03 and no ONT yet. Can we make it to 500?"
Bob the Bilderberg appears to have great skills and is capable of forcing the ONT out of hiding.
Thanks again, Weasel!
Bob the Bilderberg appears to have great skills and is capable of forcing the ONT out of hiding.
Thanks again, Weasel!
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at September 27, 2020 10:12 PM (tkyK5)
413
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at September 27, 2020 10:11 PM (qc+VF)
Oh, ok. I have plenty of desert or forest land open for shooting where I live. Not sure how many others here have the same situation.
Oh, ok. I have plenty of desert or forest land open for shooting where I live. Not sure how many others here have the same situation.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at September 27, 2020 10:13 PM (0jfkF)
414
One tonight? Didn't see anything.
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 09:09 PM (MVjcR)
It was ... Friday? Saturday?
Posted by: Weasel at September 27, 2020 09:09 PM (MVjcR)
It was ... Friday? Saturday?
Posted by: GWB at September 27, 2020 10:18 PM (FKJuo)
415
As a general rule, if you can have a gun, have a gun. You don't have to be in a sketchy place surrounded by sketchy people for things to go bad.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at September 27, 2020 10:19 PM (qc+VF)
416
Maybe. Have you ever been out shooting on public
land and been without a sidearm? With other people coming by you and
looking unsavory?
I have lived in Texas most of my life where, for practical purposes,
there is no federal land and I'm not really aware of any state land
open for hunting or shooting.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at September 27, 2020 10:11 PM (qc+VF)
It would surprise me if they didn't have hunting on Federal and State land. I know some states don't have tons of public lands, but there must be some. I bet they have hunting at Ft Hood and some of the other bases.
land and been without a sidearm? With other people coming by you and
looking unsavory?
I have lived in Texas most of my life where, for practical purposes,
there is no federal land and I'm not really aware of any state land
open for hunting or shooting.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at September 27, 2020 10:11 PM (qc+VF)
It would surprise me if they didn't have hunting on Federal and State land. I know some states don't have tons of public lands, but there must be some. I bet they have hunting at Ft Hood and some of the other bases.
Posted by: Quint at September 27, 2020 10:20 PM (oTgjc)
417
McGyver, thanks for driving the point home.
I always wear all of my PPE when using my CHAINSAW. I have seen too many idiots have near misses.
I have never had a single dangerous thing happen due to a gun malfunction, or due to one by others around me. (People breaking gun safety rules is a separate topic!)
Consequently, I have only considered hearing protection as my shooting PPE.
It is much less painful to learn from other people's mistakes - rather than your own! Thankfully, multiple people chimed in to point out my ignorance.
I always wear all of my PPE when using my CHAINSAW. I have seen too many idiots have near misses.
I have never had a single dangerous thing happen due to a gun malfunction, or due to one by others around me. (People breaking gun safety rules is a separate topic!)
Consequently, I have only considered hearing protection as my shooting PPE.
It is much less painful to learn from other people's mistakes - rather than your own! Thankfully, multiple people chimed in to point out my ignorance.
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at September 27, 2020 10:21 PM (tkyK5)
418
Posted by: ck at September 27, 2020 09:41 PM (iBg56) yep and I know a number of folks in MT building interesting firearms, most of which I cannot afford. Oh. well. 30-06 or 45-70 will get me an elk this year
McGyver, over
McGyver, over
Posted by: McGyver at September 27, 2020 10:23 PM (rJ1YP)
419
Bob the Bilderberg
I know the there used to be some public hunting areas. My dad shot an antelope in west Texas on a public hunt in the late 50's.
He said he would never do that again! Yhere was a guy there in a suit asking for help loading his gun..... SOMEBODY HELPED HIM!!!!!!!!
I know the there used to be some public hunting areas. My dad shot an antelope in west Texas on a public hunt in the late 50's.
He said he would never do that again! Yhere was a guy there in a suit asking for help loading his gun..... SOMEBODY HELPED HIM!!!!!!!!
Posted by: rancherbob at September 27, 2020 10:28 PM (gtu9W)
420
I prefer hunting on military bases because you generally get a better group of clientele. They require hunters to go through a safety course , they must check in and check out, AND they only allow a certain number of hunters in a given area. They are assigned small areas where they can hunt and the wardens know who is where and how many.
Posted by: Quint at September 27, 2020 10:34 PM (oTgjc)
421
G'night, horde, ThanX! Weasel or the info and as always, Thank you to the guys and gals contributing info to us all
LaTr, All McGyver, Out
LaTr, All McGyver, Out
Posted by: McGyver at September 27, 2020 10:35 PM (rJ1YP)
422
Buy ammo! What ammo? I can't find any 9mm for less that $.60/round, and I'm not paying that much to shoot targets.
I'm going to end up buying a .22 just so I can shoot.
We need to get this civil war over with so everyone will stop hording ammunition.
I'm going to end up buying a .22 just so I can shoot.
We need to get this civil war over with so everyone will stop hording ammunition.
Posted by: p-squared at September 27, 2020 10:43 PM (EoHHY)
423
eromero Wrt 404. Thanks. I like the grip safety in the 1911.
Mc Gyver. Ref 418. Used to have a friend who had a 45-70. Cartridge the size of a small banana. It was one of the single shot models from, ircc, 1870 or thereabouts. Went through a phase where he molded his own bullets with a hole in the front where he put 22short back to front.
I'm told it worked out, but I had, unfortunately, other things to do that day.
PPE Always. Last class I had, one guy's pistol blew up. Needed a band aid on his face.
But a neighbor got crossways with his chainsaw. Fortunately, his wife was within five minutes of returning from an errand his neighbor, a retired physician, was within five minutes of departing on errands. The wound was high in the thigh. They got him tied off and into ER. Took three units of blood. Which is close to half the issue supply. Be six weeks before physical therapy, which is a lot of healing.
He'd been doing deck work and if he'd not been able to climb twenty stairs, he'd have passed out and died.
Quite a mess when we went to clean the place up, tools, lumber and so forth.
Point is, know your first aid, know Stop the Bleed even if you haven't served. I had a motorcycle accident end up on our driveway. Guy had a sucking chest wound. Fortunately, I'd stayed awake for that block of instruction in Basic.
A man's handkerchief will do as a pad, a filler for a hole, or a tourniquet if the limb in question isn't really heavy.
Mc Gyver. Ref 418. Used to have a friend who had a 45-70. Cartridge the size of a small banana. It was one of the single shot models from, ircc, 1870 or thereabouts. Went through a phase where he molded his own bullets with a hole in the front where he put 22short back to front.
I'm told it worked out, but I had, unfortunately, other things to do that day.
PPE Always. Last class I had, one guy's pistol blew up. Needed a band aid on his face.
But a neighbor got crossways with his chainsaw. Fortunately, his wife was within five minutes of returning from an errand his neighbor, a retired physician, was within five minutes of departing on errands. The wound was high in the thigh. They got him tied off and into ER. Took three units of blood. Which is close to half the issue supply. Be six weeks before physical therapy, which is a lot of healing.
He'd been doing deck work and if he'd not been able to climb twenty stairs, he'd have passed out and died.
Quite a mess when we went to clean the place up, tools, lumber and so forth.
Point is, know your first aid, know Stop the Bleed even if you haven't served. I had a motorcycle accident end up on our driveway. Guy had a sucking chest wound. Fortunately, I'd stayed awake for that block of instruction in Basic.
A man's handkerchief will do as a pad, a filler for a hole, or a tourniquet if the limb in question isn't really heavy.
Posted by: Richard Aubrey at September 27, 2020 10:56 PM (Kbz6P)
424
A man's handkerchief will do as a pad, a filler for a hole, or a tourniquet if the limb in question isn't really heavy.
Posted by: Richard Aubrey at September 27, 2020 10:56 PM (Kbz6P)
But do, please, use a clean one.
*KACHOO!*
Here you go, buddy......
Posted by: Richard Aubrey at September 27, 2020 10:56 PM (Kbz6P)
But do, please, use a clean one.
*KACHOO!*
Here you go, buddy......
Posted by: GWB at September 27, 2020 11:00 PM (FKJuo)
425
I went and looked at the link for the Strikeman trainer. Seems like pretty much the same thing we've seen from other vendors for two or three years now. I gotta wonder though how a product that starts shipping in a week and a half has 150 user reviews.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at September 27, 2020 11:01 PM (qc+VF)
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