Saturday Evening Movie Thread 09-12-2020 [Hosted By: Moviegique]

THE WITNESS

I sometimes ask myself, "Why is the New York Times allowed to exist?" And I don't mean: "Why doesn't the government ban the paper?" because that's not how I roll. But why is it that this roiling cesspool of lies continues to be supported after decades of outright lies, propaganda and just plain bad reporting. This is the paper that gave us Walter Duranty, for crying out loud. This is the paper that constantly warns of the dire threat of weather, whether warming or cooling, as this great roundup from American Thinker shows. (Notice how many other "respectable" journalistic institutions get in on the act that also still exist.)



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Another great false headline from the Times.

It was a "fact" of the world that I grew up in that Americans were apathetic, unhelpful and cowardly, and this concept was constantly reinforced with the story of Kitty Genovese, a woman who was raped and murdered in front of 38 eyewitnesses, all of whom did nothing as she died alone in the street. This story was as well-known as it was bullshit, a fact baldly confessed to in the new documentary The Witness, by Ms. Genovese's younger brother, who himself believed the story (and who changed his life as a result). Somebody asked me "What's in it for them? Why lie about this?" Because they got to dictate the narrative for decades about how horrible Americans were, and that is the mission. (Americans/freedom/capitalism bad, Russians/authority/communism good.)

We are treated to an interview with the mastermind behind the scheme, who proudly confesses to the lie because it changed the world. (In case you were wondering why journalists lie all the time; they see it as their job.) We get to see Mike Wallace, who made hay on Genovese's corpse, with his stupid, silly grin, saying "Well, it was the Times! Of course no one checked up on it!" Social science dissertations were written with this story as its centerpiece. It's a journalist's dream come true.



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Victimized twice, really.

The project seems to have begun 10 years ago, and details the efforts of William Genovese to find out the truth of what happened to his beloved sister. The impetus for the story came from, ironically, the New York Times which essentially rebutted its own story 35 years after the fact. And in this film, he quickly debunks the story by interviewing all the people in the neighborhood who are still living, most of whom (at best) heard a scream and saw nothing. (But who were so disgusted they never tried to correct the record. After all, when it's the media lying about you, where do you go? Especially in 1964!) And so an entire community is libeled.

He doesn't connect these dots, but at least two witnesses called the cops, even though the cops had no record of this. I think it's pretty clear that the police either decided "those people" (Italians, I guess?) were just "doing them", or that the police sent to investigate blew it off. Either way, at least one person who called was told they were on their way. They never arrived.



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He does connect a lot of dots, though.

If that were all this was about, it would be a passable documentary but, in fact, this is just the beginning of the film. The rest of the film is about William, Kitty and (to a lesser extent) the murderer. This raises the proceedings to much higher levels. First we see William, who signed up for Vietnam because he wasn't going to be like those bystanders who watched his sister get murdered, come to grips with how that affected his life. Then we see him discovering his sister, whom he only knew by the limited way she presented herself to her family. He interviews old friends and lovers and comes away with a different picture than he started with.

Finally, he tries to get an interview with her murderer. This request is rejected. The murderer feels exploited, and that if not for all the press, he'd have gotten out by now, apparently overlooking his escape a few years after his capture where he raped and killed another woman and took hostages. Instead, we get an interview with his son, who is now a preacher. He also was greatly affected by the events of that night, and he's completely nuts about the subject. He's been carrying around this notion that these Genoveses were related to the Genovese crime family, and Kitty was, essentially, a hit. He's completely agnostic to his father's other numerous crimes and variety of conflicting confessions/alibis/narratives.

It's a fairly morose and somewhat morbid topic, but first-time director James Solomon keeps the proceedings tight and personal, without being lurid.

On the three-point scale:


  1. Subject matter: Obviously important. Like I said, this was the
    narrative that permeated life in the '70s. That it was all a lie
    matters. A lot. Also, the examination of how crimes can affect people
    long after the spotlight turns off also matters a lot.

  2. Presentation: Good. The camera stays with William most of the time
    as it is, in a very real way, his story. He did the hard work
    of tracking people down 40-50 years later.

  3. Bias: It was more neutral than I would've been, at least at the
    macro level. On the micro level, we naturally grow to sympathize with
    William, but this isn't really a story with "two sides". A murder was
    committed, people were affected.

We had to travel to Santa Monica to see it late at night and we had no
regrets.



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An actual witness. Or perhaps "witness".

Posted by: Open Blogger at 07:56 PM




Comments

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1 hiya

Posted by: JT at September 12, 2020 07:56 PM (arJlL)

2 Movies!

Posted by: Nurse ratched at September 12, 2020 07:57 PM (U2p+3)

3 Movie sign!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Michigangsta at September 12, 2020 07:57 PM (Dc2NZ)

4 The talkies are just a crazy fad. It'll never last.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 12, 2020 07:58 PM (NWiLs)

5 mooovies

Posted by: vmom 2020 - 13 Hours Book Review at September 12, 2020 07:59 PM (nUhF0)

6 This sounds like a good film. I hadn't heard of it.

Posted by: Michael the Texan ✪ at September 12, 2020 07:59 PM (9IdCK)

7 First Reformed:

A priest, bereaved, drunk and ill, with weakening faith, is tempted by the devil, who looks, unsurprisingly, just like Amanda Seyfried. The pastor, his disillusionment further propelled by disappointment in the venality, blasphemy, vanity, and callousness of most of the people he meets, chooses the devil's evil path.

There's a lot of good but subtle stuff in here about ignorance or misunderstanding of scripture, and expecting things of God that nobody ought to expect. I know many conservatives panned the movie for its enviro-wacko plot-motor, and for daring to depict a priest far less than perfect. But I recommend it to the faithful and faith-curious, especially the first half, to explore the many earthly challenges to pursuing righteousness, which are truly answered nowhere other than in scripture.

(Full disclosure: all the stocks I hold are in the petroleum industry, so don't flame me for being green, because I ain't. Those who see the movie as pro-green didn't interpret it as I did.)

Posted by: gp's Movie Shots at September 12, 2020 08:00 PM (qpX6U)

8 ROBOT ROLL CALL!

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at September 12, 2020 08:01 PM (j4zcI)

9 4 The talkies are just a crazy fad. It'll never last.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 12, 2020 07:58 PM (NWiLs)

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They were the "internet" of the '20s.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 12, 2020 08:01 PM (cank/)

10 The talkies are just a crazy fad. It'll never last.
Posted by: Insomniac

Who the hell wants to hear actors talk?
--- H. M. Warner

Now that they blather all the time, on subjects they know nothing of, methinks Mr. Warner was correct.

Posted by: Tonypete at September 12, 2020 08:01 PM (Rvt88)

11 Okay, so HOW did Kitty Genovese really die ?

Posted by: JT at September 12, 2020 08:01 PM (arJlL)

12 A link to A link today got me reading about a lost movie The Tyranny of the Romanoffs. Looking into it there are lots of movies gone from history.

Posted by: Skip at September 12, 2020 08:01 PM (OjZpE)

13 Night of the Lepus on Sven.

I watched a surprisingly good movie on Netflix call 1BR, as in One Bed Room. After considering it, I think it's an allegory or metaphor or whatever on Cancel Culture and the Left's insistence on Groupthink. I liked it.

Posted by: Blutarski at September 12, 2020 08:02 PM (nnf6G)

14 8 ROBOT ROLL CALL!
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at September 12, 2020 08:01 PM (j4zcI)

Gypsy!

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 12, 2020 08:02 PM (NWiLs)

15 Fucking aliens.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 12, 2020 08:02 PM (mUi0K)

16 Throw the NYT in the water.

Posted by: klaftern at September 12, 2020 08:02 PM (RuIsu)

17 I posted this last last night:

I am reliably informed that this is the original script that was butchered into the movie PROMETHEUS:


https://t.co/XB1rQraJQ1?amp=1



I am further reliably informed that this original script actually explains what the fuck was really going on*.




*Though almost certainly it does not explain why otherwise intelligent people stick their faces in Alien egg sacks nor why they do not run sideways when being chased by a rolling donut-shaped spaceship.

Perhaps our Long National Prometheus Nightmare may finally be over.

Posted by: Sharkman at September 12, 2020 08:02 PM (Qio/u)

18 Wow. That whole Kitty Genovese story is whack.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 12, 2020 08:03 PM (cank/)

19 why they do not run sideways when being chased by a rolling donut-shaped spaceship.

The proper response would be to take a flying fuck at it.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 12, 2020 08:03 PM (NWiLs)

20 Last night I recorded Plan Nine from Outer Space. It's not as good without the Rifftrax commentary.

Posted by: Blutarski at September 12, 2020 08:03 PM (nnf6G)

21 I remember reading about Kitty Genovese. Had no idea until this moment the paper lied. Don't doubt they lied, it's just that I never knew it til now.

Posted by: Eromero at September 12, 2020 08:03 PM (XhWtx)

22 11 Okay, so HOW did Kitty Genovese really die ?
Posted by: JT at September 12, 2020 08:01 PM (arJlL)

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Why are you looking at me like that?

Posted by: Zombie Ted Kennedy at September 12, 2020 08:04 PM (cank/)

23 Another 'true' story that still gets passed around is the Camille hurricane party at the Richelieu Apartments in Pass Christian in which only one woman lived. When in fact there was no party and many other people did survive.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 12, 2020 08:04 PM (hRoIF)

24 Thanks for recommending The Witness! I will add it to my list.

Posted by: gp's Movie Shots at September 12, 2020 08:04 PM (qpX6U)

25 I think aliens actually DID invade and are among us now.



*looks sideways at Cicero and Insomniac*

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 12, 2020 08:04 PM (mUi0K)

26 This sounds like a fascinating documentary, MG. I sure remember reading about this, and it was indeed used to harangue us rubes on the isolation and apathy of modern America.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Michigangsta at September 12, 2020 08:05 PM (Dc2NZ)

27 Best thing going for now Galaxina 1980 on Comet with the also murdered Dorothy Stratten

Posted by: Skip at September 12, 2020 08:05 PM (OjZpE)

28 The New York Times:

Founded by slaveowners.

Covered up the Holodomor and the crimes of Communism for 70 years.

Covered up the Holocaust.

Has covered up the myriad crimes of the DemonRat Party forever.

It has never been a legitimate news source.

Posted by: Sharkman at September 12, 2020 08:05 PM (Qio/u)

29 Who the hell wants to hear actors talk?
--- H. M. Warner

Paddy Chayefsy on the advent of television : "Movie people were always considered the bottom of the barrel in the entertainment industry. With television, now we have something to look down upon"

Posted by: JT at September 12, 2020 08:05 PM (arJlL)

30 Croooooooooowe!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Michigangsta at September 12, 2020 08:06 PM (Dc2NZ)

31 *looks sideways at Cicero and Insomniac*
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 12, 2020 08:04 PM (mUi0K)

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*looks sideways at Insomniac*

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 12, 2020 08:06 PM (cank/)

32 What is the film about the reporter in early Soviet Union who called bullshit on the NY Times reporter, Walter Duranty? I gotta watch that.

Posted by: Blutarski at September 12, 2020 08:06 PM (nnf6G)

33 Kitty G. looks like young Madonna.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Michigangsta at September 12, 2020 08:06 PM (Dc2NZ)

34 26 This sounds like a fascinating documentary, MG. I sure remember reading about this, and it was indeed used to harangue us rubes on the isolation and apathy of modern America.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Michigangsta at September 12, 2020 08:05 PM (Dc2NZ)

Which is interesting that this was 1964. It is not like people are much closer neighbors now in big cities.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 12, 2020 08:06 PM (A5zUN)

35 Another 'true' story that still gets passed around is the Camille hurricane party at the Richelieu Apartments in Pass Christian in which only one woman lived. When in fact there was no party and many other people did survive.
Posted by: Anna Puma

Did they find their heads ?

Posted by: JT at September 12, 2020 08:07 PM (arJlL)

36 Well, true or not, I think the Kitty Genovese story taught us all some important lessons.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 12, 2020 08:08 PM (cank/)

37 Night of the Lepus has an aging Janet Leigh. I think she's still hawt.

Posted by: Blutarski at September 12, 2020 08:08 PM (nnf6G)

38 Last night I recorded Plan Nine from Outer Space. It's not as good without the Rifftrax commentary.
Posted by: Blutarski at September 12, 2020 08:03 PM (nnf6G)
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Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Task Group Cluebat at September 12, 2020 08:08 PM (Rk6Cp)

39 This sounds like a fascinating documentary, MG. I sure remember reading
about this, and it was indeed used to harangue us rubes on the
isolation and apathy of modern America.


That plus Lord of the Flies. Control-freaks in politics and media combined with people who are easily manipulated makes for a terribly sad result.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Joe Biden killed my career at September 12, 2020 08:09 PM (HaL55)

40 NYT is a commie rag

Posted by: vmom 2020 - 13 Hours Book Review at September 12, 2020 08:09 PM (nUhF0)

41 Yeah, the roots of today's 24 / 365 gaslighting by anti-Americans goes back well before I was born ... it was going strong in the 60's.
I always found the Genovese story kind of hard to believe, looks like I was right.

yay.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at September 12, 2020 08:09 PM (Oi/63)

42 Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Task Group Cluebat

That's about enough outta you!

Posted by: Blutarski at September 12, 2020 08:09 PM (nnf6G)

43 15 Fucking aliens.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob



We have a channel for that.

Posted by: PrnHub at September 12, 2020 08:09 PM (dV48Q)

44 Oh yes, I recall the Genovese case being discussed in school back then.

And moviegique, you went to Santa Monica, late at night, to see this? Not recently? Or are things fairly safe in most areas now? Had the impression street crime was way up in many formerly "safe" areas of LA.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 12, 2020 08:09 PM (OTzUX)

45 Sadly, that could happen today in New York City, what with all the anarchy going on there.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 12, 2020 08:09 PM (bkUtD)

46 The New York Times has so much to teach us, if we will only listen.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 12, 2020 08:10 PM (cank/)

47 NYT is a commie rag

Doo-dah, doo-dah.....

Posted by: JT at September 12, 2020 08:10 PM (arJlL)

48 Cicero, had a comment end of last thread reacting to your marina comment.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 12, 2020 08:10 PM (OTzUX)

49 Plan 9 and Reefer Madness were great with the Rifftrax gang, but real slabs o' crap on their own. Maybe you have to be stoned to appreciate them.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Michigangsta at September 12, 2020 08:10 PM (Dc2NZ)

50 >>>Kitty G. looks like young Madonna.



I thought Jane Weidlin of the Go-Go's

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 12, 2020 08:10 PM (bkUtD)

51 I rented Uncle Peckerhead. Movie about a roadie who turns out to be a demon. Comedy/horror. Terrible. Quit watching after about 30 minutes.

Watched a documentary about Hammer films. Kinda clunky. But still interesting.

Nothing else to report.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at September 12, 2020 08:11 PM (H5knJ)

52 I lived in Kew Gardens Hills in 1981...not in Kew Gardens but nearby. It sucked

Posted by: CN at September 12, 2020 08:11 PM (ONvIw)

53 Wyatt - good point. The fake official story is far, far more plausible today, thanks to the collapse in many places.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 12, 2020 08:11 PM (OTzUX)

54 Went to see "Tenet" at the noon matinee. The wife and I were the only people in a 12-screen multiplex.

Excellent film, naturally, as it was written and directed by Christopher Nolan, who is my favorite director by a planetary mile. I went into it not knowing a thing about it (it's Nolan, I didn't need to know.)

Don't try to understand it, just go with it. It's typical Nolan - sophisticated, cerebral and unselfconsciously stylish.

Short take - it's Black James Bond with a time-travel MacGuffin. I didn't understand 90% of it and I didn't care. I was enjoying the ride too much.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at September 12, 2020 08:11 PM (j4zcI)

55 Holy cow! Bones is in Lepus!

Posted by: Blutarski at September 12, 2020 08:11 PM (nnf6G)

Posted by: Cambot at September 12, 2020 08:12 PM (63Dwl)

57 loiked uo The Witneds on imdb
it says free on imdb tv

Posted by: vmom 2020 - 13 Hours Book Review at September 12, 2020 08:12 PM (nUhF0)

58 Taro, I am so jealous you got to go to an actual movie theater.

Tenet looks like Inception meets James Bond.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Michigangsta at September 12, 2020 08:12 PM (Dc2NZ)

59 31 *looks sideways at Cicero and Insomniac*
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 12, 2020 08:04 PM (mUi0K)

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*looks sideways at Insomniac*
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 12, 2020 08:06 PM (cank/)

*blinks sideways*

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 12, 2020 08:12 PM (NWiLs)

60 >>>Wyatt - good point. The fake official story is far, far more plausible today, thanks to the collapse in many places.



It's where most big cities have been heading; and the mayors couldn't care less.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 12, 2020 08:12 PM (bkUtD)

61 ugh typos

Posted by: vmom 2020 - 13 Hours Book Review at September 12, 2020 08:13 PM (nUhF0)

62 rhomboid --

It was not recent, no this is a reprint from a few years ago that I stumbled across a week or two ago when asking myself again (WHY DOES THE NYT STILL EXIST?).

We're still locked down, no movies allowed here.

Posted by: moviegique at September 12, 2020 08:13 PM (CcUfv)

63 Cicero, had a comment end of last thread reacting to your marina comment.
Posted by: rhomboid at September 12, 2020 08:10 PM (OTzUX)

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Just saw it.

I don't doubt there are dissenters, but out here they're cowed into grumbling silence. It's a nice change and I love it.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 12, 2020 08:13 PM (cank/)

64 Bones is in Lepus!

He's dead Jim

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 12, 2020 08:14 PM (hRoIF)

65 Because they got to dictate the narrative for decades about how horrible Americans were, and that is the mission. (Americans/freedom/capitalism bad, Russians/authority/communism good.)


Speaking of which; I read a book called "Citizen X" years ago and it was excellent. The movie that was based on the book is great. I highly recommend. Stephen Rea, Donald Sutherland, Max Von Sydow, Jeffery DeMunn. A fantastic movie. Based on a real life serial killer case in the USSR. He was prolific (over 70 girls killed by him) because the Soviets denied he existed.

Posted by: Puddleglum at September 12, 2020 08:14 PM (dV48Q)

66 I refuse on general principal to relieve myself on such rubbish.

Posted by: Bird in a cage at September 12, 2020 08:14 PM (IC+Cn)

67 loiked uo The Witneds on imdb
it says free on imdb tv
Posted by: vmom 2020 - 13 Hours Book Review at September 12, 2020 08:12 PM (nUhF0)


ugh typos
Posted by: vmom 2020 - 13 Hours Book Review at September 12, 2020 08:13 PM (nUhF0)

I understanded it.

Posted by: Buckwheat at September 12, 2020 08:15 PM (AiZBA)

68 Actually somebody brought it up in the recent chaos, when a man was attempting to rape a 14-year-old on a subway platform and everyone just stood around filming him (went the objection). JUST LIKE KITTY GENOVESE!

The clip is too short to tell what's going on and there's no sense of who's taking it and etc. etc. etc. But yeah, let's jump to the fabricated tale of how awful people are.

Posted by: moviegique at September 12, 2020 08:15 PM (CcUfv)

69 moviegique - you in LA? I ask only to further ask if you know of any big screen theaters, the kind of place where one would go to watch Lawrence. I missed a special showing of it about a year ago, at various places in LA, I think, but would be nice to know which big screens still exist for possible future epic viewing opportunities.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 12, 2020 08:15 PM (OTzUX)

70 32 What is the film about the reporter in early Soviet Union who called bullshit on the NY Times reporter, Walter Duranty? I gotta watch that.
Posted by: Blutarski at September 12, 2020 08:06 PM

Mr. Jones.

Posted by: Moonbeam at September 12, 2020 08:15 PM (qe5CM)

71 4 The talkies are just a crazy fad. It'll never last.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 12, 2020 07:58 PM (NWiLs)

Where were you before we blew $200 million on the live action Mulan?

Posted by: Disney execs at September 12, 2020 08:16 PM (Ojki1)

72 Interstellar, Nolan yelling like a spastic 8th grader "I made my own 2001! Isn't it keen?"

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 12, 2020 08:16 PM (hRoIF)

73 Watters World is having Oliver Stone on soon to discuss Hollywood's new inclusion rules for filmmaking.

Also Trump Rally in Nevada on RSBN -
https://tinyurl.com/y5xpx4dp

Posted by: redridinghood at September 12, 2020 08:16 PM (+YYKs)

74 Test

Posted by: Gaelic Girl at September 12, 2020 08:16 PM (5FCda)

75 Mr. Jones
Posted by: Moonbeam

Thank you.

Posted by: Blutarski at September 12, 2020 08:16 PM (nnf6G)

76 Thanks, I didn't know any of this. Kitty Genovese was from my hometown, New Canaan, CT (which had a significant Italian-American population). The story of her murder, or the false narrative as I now see, was part of our upbringing.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at September 12, 2020 08:16 PM (H8QX8)

77 This and the Stanford Prison Experiment is the one they keep using to tell us all how we're just inches away from Nazi Germany at every step. It's a lie and I hate it.

I did have one of my loudest and most inappropriate laughs during the latest movie version of the Stanford Experiment, though.

https://moviegique.com/2015/08/the-stanford-prison-experiment/

Posted by: moviegique at September 12, 2020 08:16 PM (CcUfv)

78 68 Actually somebody brought it up in the recent chaos, when a man was attempting to rape a 14-year-old on a subway platform and everyone just stood around filming him (went the objection). JUST LIKE KITTY GENOVESE!

Posted by: moviegique at September 12, 2020 08:15 PM

Same thing with David Dorn.

Posted by: Moonbeam at September 12, 2020 08:17 PM (qe5CM)

79 >>>Interstellar, Nolan yelling like a spastic 8th grader "I made my own 2001! Isn't it keen?"



His Batman films are amazing, and I really liked Dunkirk.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 12, 2020 08:17 PM (bkUtD)

80 Cicero, this guy and his wife have lived in that area for decades, and whined/defined themselves for as long in contrasting their empty-headed "compassionate" nonsense with the crass materialism of their neighbors. They show zero self-awareness or discipline in declining to share their idiocy with others, so yeah I wonder if the horror you describe today would provoke an outburst.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 12, 2020 08:17 PM (OTzUX)

81 59 31 *looks sideways at Cicero and Insomniac*
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 12, 2020 08:04 PM (mUi0K)

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*looks sideways at Insomniac*
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 12, 2020 08:06 PM (cank/)

*blinks sideways*

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 12, 2020 08:12 PM (NWiLs)

*Looks crosseyed at all three of you*

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 12, 2020 08:17 PM (NgKpN)

82 Just watched Glory (1989) on Netflix. Good but not great. Launched the careers of Denzel and Morgan Freeman.

True story. Matthew Broderick plays a Boston Brahmin abolitionist who leads a regiment of freed Black man in the Civil War. The local generals won't let his boys fight, so he uses his family connections to intervene. He gets what he wants.

I saw Glory when it came out and I liked it. It holds up, but it wouldn't get made today. Too patronizing. And Broderick orders Denzel whipped for desertion.

Posted by: Ignoramus at September 12, 2020 08:18 PM (9TdxA)

83 7 First Reformed:

A priest, bereaved, drunk and ill, with weakening faith, is tempted by the devil, who looks, unsurprisingly, just like Amanda Seyfried. The pastor, his disillusionment further propelled by disappointment in the venality, blasphemy, vanity, and callousness of most of the people he meets, chooses the devil's evil path.

Posted by: gp's Movie Shots at September 12, 2020 08:00 PM (qpX6U)


I think the guy's a minister, not a priest. But no matter.

Written and directed by Paul Schrader. He also wrote 'Hardcore', about a Reformed minister (George C. Scott) looking for his runaway daughter. Not for the squeamish.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at September 12, 2020 08:18 PM (P/6LT)

84 "Tenet looks like Inception meets James Bond."

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Quite right!

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at September 12, 2020 08:18 PM (j4zcI)

85 Also Trump Rally in Nevada on RSBN -
https://tinyurl.com/y5xpx4dp
Posted by: redridinghood at September 12, 2020 08:16 PM (+YYKs)

Where the governor said he would not be allowed to have a rally?

LOLGF

Posted by: jsg at September 12, 2020 08:19 PM (IC+Cn)

86 75 Mr. Jones
Posted by: Moonbeam

Thank you.
Posted by: Blutarski at September 12, 2020 08:16 PM

Don't know if you're a fan of Granchester, but the actor who played the minister in the first couple of seasons plays Mr. Jones.

Posted by: Moonbeam at September 12, 2020 08:19 PM (qe5CM)

87 watched something on netflux ladt night - #Alive
Korean urban zombie movie
was ok

Posted by: vmom 2020 - 13 Hours Book Review at September 12, 2020 08:19 PM (nUhF0)

88 79 >>>Interstellar, Nolan yelling like a spastic 8th grader "I made my own 2001! Isn't it keen?"



His Batman films are amazing, and I really liked Dunkirk.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 12, 2020 08:17 PM (bkUtD)


I didn't like his Batman films, respected Dunkirk, and loved Interstellar. I know I'm a freak.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Michigangsta at September 12, 2020 08:19 PM (Dc2NZ)

89 Speaking of the NYT, I watched "Mr. Jones" the other day, okay movie but it didn't really spend enough time on the Walter Duranty issue. They played it off as him being a self centered sex pervert instead of addressing his Communist ideology.

Posted by: lowandslow at September 12, 2020 08:19 PM (4thlk)

90 Never saw "First Blood." Watching it tonight. Quite good.

Posted by: Ordinary American at September 12, 2020 08:20 PM (H8QX8)

91 Written and directed by Paul Schrader. He also wrote 'Hardcore', about a Reformed minister (George C. Scott) looking for his runaway daughter. Not for the squeamish.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional

Turn it OFFFFF!!!!

Posted by: Blutarski at September 12, 2020 08:20 PM (nnf6G)

92 "Tenet" was my first movie outing in six months. Can't tell you how good it felt to be in a theater eating my smuggled Burger King hamburgers.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at September 12, 2020 08:20 PM (j4zcI)

93 Speaking of the NYT, I watched "Mr. Jones" the other day, okay movie but
it didn't really spend enough time on the Walter Duranty issue. They
played it off as him being a self centered sex pervert instead of
addressing his Communist ideology.


There's a difference?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Joe Biden killed my career at September 12, 2020 08:21 PM (HaL55)

94 Inception?

Watch Paprika instead.
https://youtu.be/yn7U1KIGeuQ

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 12, 2020 08:21 PM (hRoIF)

95 A good movie about bystanders not doing anything is The Incident. Took a Southern Redneck to step up.

Posted by: Weaning is hard at September 12, 2020 08:22 PM (2DOZq)

96 It has never been a legitimate news source.


----It was when we found out about your plans for a Doomsday Machine.

Posted by: Russian Ambassador Alexi de Sadesky at September 12, 2020 08:22 PM (r+ov6)

97 My favorite NYT article is the 1924 article "Hitler Tamed By Prison".



Idiots.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at September 12, 2020 08:22 PM (+MpRO)

98 Bueller has Denzel whipped.

Posted by: klaftern at September 12, 2020 08:23 PM (RuIsu)

99 Look outside the window,
there's a woman being grabbed.
They've dragged her to the bushes,
and now she's being stabbed.
Maybe we should call the cops,
to try and stop the pain,
but Monopoly is so much fun,
and I'd hate to blow the game.





Posted by: Major Hochstetter at September 12, 2020 08:23 PM (PwJN3)

100 Never saw "First Blood." Watching it tonight. Quite good.
Posted by: Ordinary American

Yes, it is.

Posted by: JT at September 12, 2020 08:23 PM (arJlL)

101 The old man was a beat cop from 1948 to 1968 in Brooklyn. He went from walking a beat to driving one of those nice shiny green/black and white cars.

The police were corrupt then and always were, but they did what they did. Sometimes calls went unanswered. It's a big city. But when he retired, the old man said that the press got that one wrong, as usual.

He was never one to explain.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 12, 2020 08:24 PM (Z+IKu)

102 Bueller has Denzel whipped.
Posted by: klaftern

My favorite was the Irish sergeant who trained them up. Don't know the actor's name but he was good.

Posted by: Blutarski at September 12, 2020 08:24 PM (nnf6G)

103 I'm lost - so the onlookers were sorta semi-depraved and not totally? She was raped and murdered, that maybe there were actually no indifferent witnesses is fuck all not important.Let's all go watch Cuties and be enlightened.

Posted by: Heart of Darkness at September 12, 2020 08:24 PM (nFRLh)

104 Of course "First Blood" is good.

DENNEHY!

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at September 12, 2020 08:24 PM (j4zcI)

105 It was horror movie week at Rancho naturalfake.

Here upon follow some quicky reviews:


1) Horror Stories 3 - popular Korean anthology series. This time set in space for some reason. Very meh. Except for Road Rage story - like a meaner "DueL"

2) The Wailing - excellent Korean horror movie - a bit like "The Exorcist" crossed with a whodunit or rather who is doing it. A bit slow but pay attention, you're being fed info that pays off handsomely in the insane last 30 minutes. Streaming on Prime and Netflix

3) Apostle - stars Dan Stevens, who I like as an actor. And movie seems to be headed in a Wicker Man direction, gets interesting with the introduction of a goddess turns very stupid, stays stu[pid, adds Daddy Issues, tries to redeem itself at the very end, but too late. Not good.

4) The Postcard Murders - serial killer movie. Boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring Daddy Issues, boring, boring, boring, extra boring, bonus boring.

5) Zombie (1979) - directed by Lucio Fulci. Well, here's the thing, Fulci is a set piece director. He barely cares about plot. He gives you just enough plot and plodding pace, so he can get to the next gory set piece, whether it's a Zombie/Shark fight or a big wooden splinter in the eye. Recently updated in 4K, looks beautiful. Streaming on Shudder.

6) New York Ripper (1982) - have you ever said to yourself, "Man, I would love to see a serial killer movie where the killer viciously murders woman by attacking their womanly assets [while quacking like Donald Duck?

Well, then, buddy have I got a movie for you!

NYR is another Lucio Fulci movie, but this time he actually pays attention to the plot and as a result it's one of his best movies. Critics hate this one and say it's anti-woman. But, that's kind of the point of the killer for reasons which are explained as is the Donald Duck voice.

Warning! this is an ugly, violent movie and creepy. It's full of sleaze and paints, Ed Koch era NYC as a toilet bowl full of grime and criminality.

This really isn't my kind of movie, but it might be yours. It's very well done and since it's been updated in 4K, looks beautiful.

Pair it with "Cruising" for a horrible double feature of Serial killing isleaze n 1980s NYC, ie, Garbageville USA.


Check it out.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 12, 2020 08:24 PM (dWwl8)

106 Stallone is actually good at acting without speaking. Especially at physical pain. Shows in First Blood.

Posted by: Ignoramus at September 12, 2020 08:26 PM (9TdxA)

107 >>>Never saw "First Blood." Watching it tonight. Quite good.


Blasphemy! And yes, it is a very good film.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 12, 2020 08:26 PM (VWp7G)

108 I really like Glory, not one of my top10 war movies, but seems to portray civil war warfare very well.

Posted by: Skip at September 12, 2020 08:26 PM (OjZpE)

109 >>>Stallone is actually good at acting without speaking. Especially at physical pain. Shows in First Blood.



He apparently broke ribs falling from the cliff and hitting the tree.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 12, 2020 08:26 PM (VWp7G)

110 rhomboid --

I am in L.A. and I've seen Lawrence twice in the past ten years. Once at an AMC with a rather large screen, and once at a (different) Santa Monica Laemmle.

If things open up again, there's probably no beating the Cinerama Dome, though a lot of AMCs have IMAX screens now and I think we're only 2 years away from the 60 anniversary, right?

Posted by: moviegique at September 12, 2020 08:27 PM (CcUfv)

111 naturalfake, I will try Wailing

Posted by: vmom 2020 - 13 Hours Book Review at September 12, 2020 08:27 PM (nUhF0)

112 Moonbeam--

||Same thing with David Dorn.

I think it was his =murderers= who filmed him; members of the gang.

Posted by: moviegique at September 12, 2020 08:28 PM (CcUfv)

113 Hmmm, I wasn't aware of a new documentary about Kitty Genovese, but I was aware of the story being b.s. for quite some time now... although it's probably still being taught in schools.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 12, 2020 08:28 PM (hku12)

114 Long day; 'Night Horde.

Posted by: JT at September 12, 2020 08:28 PM (arJlL)

115 Surprisingly some even newer movies are lost forever, some early Hitchcock movies and the Marx Brothers first which was a silent movie.

Posted by: Skip at September 12, 2020 08:29 PM (OjZpE)

116 Of course it was BS.

It was reported by the Slimes.

Posted by: jsg at September 12, 2020 08:29 PM (IC+Cn)

117 I seem to recall a row with the author of the First Blood novel where the film did not follow the ending. Something about John either killing himself or being killed at the end?

The film was quite good, I thought anyway, though the sequels got more and more unbelievable, Last Blood excepted.

Posted by: Nikolaj at September 12, 2020 08:29 PM (/zGpf)

118 naturalfake, I will try Wailing
Posted by: vmom 2020 - 13 Hours Book Review

Isn't that a little extreme to get the shingle color you want ?

Posted by: JT at September 12, 2020 08:30 PM (arJlL)

119 Pure background noise, but I have Tombstone on (mostly for Dana Delany) and I've seen it a gazillion times. I like watching movies for the tech stuff, and being a gun guy, well, the guns and whether or not they got them right. They did a pretty good job in Tombstone. Note most revolvers shown are nickel plated. Common, good marketing, and required less finish polishing than a blued gun. Next time you watch it, find the Evans rifle, it's there. Merwin and Hulberts are also in there, with the skull cracker grip. Early in the movie, while robbing a saloon/casino, Doc's whore has what appears to be a Hopkins and Allen XL. They came a long way from US Cavalry carrying 1892 Winchesters in 1873.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at September 12, 2020 08:31 PM (C1Lsn)

120 100 This is a very good post. I will have to look for this film. Never heard of this case, it sounds horrible.
Posted by: Nikolaj at September 12, 2020 08:23 PM

I saw something several years ago that challenged the original story, but I can't remember where, or whether it was on tv or in print. First and foremost, it debunked the reporting that the attack and murder took place in plain view under a street light, and that dozens of people were looking out their windows as the attack occurred.

Posted by: Moonbeam at September 12, 2020 08:31 PM (qe5CM)

121 I didn't know the K. Genovese story was bogus. Will have to look for the documentary.

I, too, wondered about the name similarity. Glad to know there was no connection.

What is it about La Cosa Nostra that draws such fascination? I admit that I follow organized crime news, and I once subscribed to Jerry Capeci's (shit, I can't confirm the name!) website. Other ethnic groups had criminals; is it just because the Italians outlasted the others? Or is it because of the surnames? Imagine if the Germans were the top dogs -- the von Schitzelhoffer gang. Fit that in a headline!

Finally, the "news" is questionable, but I love NYT headlines. Those folks pack so much into such tight counts.

Posted by: Weak Geek at September 12, 2020 08:31 PM (u/nim)

122 How about the true story about the gay meth head that was killed in a drug deal gone wrong but is surpass to be all about homophobia.

Posted by: Buzzion at September 12, 2020 08:31 PM (2fGCR)

123 The did Hollywood Weapons on First Blood.

It is possible to light a line of gun powder with an M-60.

Posted by: Weaning is hard at September 12, 2020 08:32 PM (2DOZq)

124 I'm lost - so the onlookers were sorta semi-depraved and not totally? She was raped and murdered, that maybe there were actually no indifferent witnesses is fuck all not important.Let's all go watch Cuties and be enlightened.
Posted by: Heart of Darkness at September 12, 2020 08:24 PM (nFRLh)


The story is mostly a lie, but there are nuggets in there that have some truth. Such as, some who heard the initial attack, and yelled down below for whoever it was to stop.

This was an area where bar patrons were known to get raucous around that time of night. So after the initial attack, which took place on one side of the building, it went almost completely around to a part that was no longer visible to the onlookers from the apartments above the street (most of the supposed 38 witness, of which there were NEVER 3.

So the one jerkwad who MIGHT have been able to save her life was a neighbor in her building, because he saw her outside her apartment, INSIDE the building, and seemed to be pleading for help. He didn't do anything, he just shut his door. She was subsequently attacked again, at which time she died of her wounds.

Other than that, yeah, it's basically bushitto.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 12, 2020 08:32 PM (hku12)

125 Moviegique was this movie road trip recently? Thought California was still locked down theatres, they are in Pa here unless they opened very recently.

Posted by: Skip at September 12, 2020 08:33 PM (OjZpE)

126 98 Bueller has Denzel whipped.
Posted by: klaftern



Life got weird after high school for Bueller. Really weird.

Posted by: Puddleglum at September 12, 2020 08:33 PM (dV48Q)

127 112 Moonbeam--

||Same thing with David Dorn.

I think it was his =murderers= who filmed him; members of the gang.
Posted by: moviegique at September 12, 2020 08:28 PM

True, but I meant that they watched a person die in front of them and did nothing but record it on their phones. The depraved indifference is shocking.

Posted by: Moonbeam at September 12, 2020 08:33 PM (qe5CM)

128 Stallone's best action film was Cliffhanger.

Posted by: Weaning is hard at September 12, 2020 08:34 PM (2DOZq)

129 Did not realize it was fake news. I assume today that every story is a lie. Guess I have to double-check everything that I "know", too.

Posted by: t-bird at September 12, 2020 08:34 PM (fwmHH)

130 onlookers from the apartments above the street (most of the supposed 38 witness, of which there were NEVER 3.

Other than that, yeah, it's basically bushitto.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 12, 2020 08:32 PM (hku12)


Jeez, the formatting here is stupid. Never THIRTY EIGHT witnesses. As in, the initial reports indicated a lesser number, and somehow the NYT made it three eight, even though there's no evidence anywhere to back up that number.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 12, 2020 08:35 PM (hku12)

131 The Italian mob was organized to be a business, and Italian mobsters brought their sons into it, so there was continuity. The smart Jewish and Irish mobsters sent their sons to college.

Posted by: Ignoramus at September 12, 2020 08:35 PM (9TdxA)

132 Life got weird after high school for Bueller. Really weird.
Posted by: Puddleglum

Life came at him fast.

Posted by: Tonypete at September 12, 2020 08:36 PM (Rvt88)

133 The trip was not recent as there's no place to go in SaMo these days.

Let's not conflate the various stories: This one, in particular, about Genovese is BS. And the guys who filmed Dorn's murder were the kind of guys to make snuff films.

The girl on the subway platform, I only say, without more data, the rush to pass judgment is to reinforce the false narrative set up 60 years ago.

Posted by: moviegique at September 12, 2020 08:37 PM (CcUfv)

134

Diana Rigg was the third Bond girl to die in less than a year. Claudine Auger (Thunderball) died December 2019. Honor Blackman (Goldfinger) April 2020 and Rigg (On Her Majesty's Secret Service) a couple of days ago.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 12, 2020 08:37 PM (C0f+A)

135 Hey Moviegique! I'm finally here while you're hosting the movie thread. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 12, 2020 08:37 PM (L2ZTs)

136 The Wailing is great:

https://moviegique.com/2016/07/the-wailing/

I always get Paprika mixed up with Appleseed and there's little connection if any.

Posted by: moviegique at September 12, 2020 08:38 PM (CcUfv)

137 I also wanted to ask if anyone has had a chance to see "Unhinged" yet.

I asked about it before and heart it's horrible, but then that's what I first heard here about "The Hunt," yet now at least one Horde member said he/she liked it.

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 12, 2020 08:38 PM (L2ZTs)

138 Hey, Steve--

And I gotta run take the kid to evening vigil! See you soon, though!

Posted by: moviegique at September 12, 2020 08:38 PM (CcUfv)

139 Isn't that a little extreme to get the shingle color you want ?
Posted by: JT at September 12, 2020 08:30 PM (arJlL


aaaaAAAASEEEEIIIIIIIeeeerrr!!!

Posted by: vmom 2020 - 13 Hours Book Review at September 12, 2020 08:39 PM (nUhF0)

140 "I also wanted to ask if anyone has had a chance to see "Unhinged" yet."

It's not a very good movie, but it's very quick at 80mins, and fun in parts.

Posted by: gp's Movie Shots at September 12, 2020 08:39 PM (qpX6U)

141 I looked up the details of this case. It appears that the murderer was caught. Did the trial ever say there were witnesses? It does not sound like it. Certainly a horrible thing, made worse by no apparent attempt by the New York Times to correct the reporting.

When I came here I was told to ignore the newspapers in New York. I think I understand why.

Posted by: Nikolaj at September 12, 2020 08:40 PM (/zGpf)

142
Watch Paprika instead.
https://youtu.be/yn7U1KIGeuQ
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 12, 2020 08:21 PM (hRoIF)

Seen it. The groovy mind-binding parts don't add up to a decent whole.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Michigangsta at September 12, 2020 08:40 PM (Dc2NZ)

143 >>>Stallone's best action film was Cliffhanger.


I really liked that film, and Michael Rooker is good in almost anything.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 12, 2020 08:40 PM (VWp7G)

144 A very good Stallone movie is Copland.

Posted by: Puddleglum at September 12, 2020 08:41 PM (dV48Q)

145 >>> I looked up the details of this case. It appears that the murderer was caught.


Was given the death penalty... then commuted to life. Prick died when he was 81.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 12, 2020 08:41 PM (VWp7G)

146 Puddleglum, is that about Aaron Copland? ;-)

But seriously, I want to get that one on blu-ray.

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 12, 2020 08:41 PM (L2ZTs)

147 Bones is in Lepus!


I just noticed that Paul Fix is also in Lepus, who played Dr. Mark Piper in 'Where No Man Has Gone Before', the second pilot for Star Trek.

So this film actually features *TWO* doctors of the USS Enterprise.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 12, 2020 08:41 PM (oVJmc)

148 >>> A very good Stallone movie is Copland.



"You had a chance to be a cop, and YOU BLEW IT!"

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 12, 2020 08:41 PM (VWp7G)

149 I read about the Kitty Genovese when I was in college back when Nirvana started blasting eardrums (ironically, Nirvana made it big the semester I was taking Zen, in which I got a B for failing to levitate).

Right about the time Twelve Angry Men and To Kill a Mockingbird entered the national consciousness, coinciding with a massive increase in crime.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at September 12, 2020 08:41 PM (DY3v8)

150 Reporters have long faked big news stories especially when it's about a particular person.

Posted by: Skip at September 12, 2020 08:42 PM (OjZpE)

151 Okay, so HOW did Kitty Genovese really die ?
Posted by: JT at September 12, 2020 08:01 PM (arJlL)


Stab wounds. He may or may not have also strangled her, I don't remember, but she was stabbed multiple times. An initial attack during which he stabbed her, and she more or less stumbled to her apartment behind the building where the initial attack took place, so people thought she was a drunk stumbling home.

Nobody in the apartments across the street were going to have seen or heard the follow up attack that occurred inside her apartment building.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 12, 2020 08:42 PM (hku12)

152 >>Stallone's best action film was Cliffhanger.

iirc the trailer was the first I saw where there was no dialogue, just action scenes and operatic music

Posted by: vmom 2020 - 13 Hours Book Review at September 12, 2020 08:42 PM (nUhF0)

153 Who the hell wants to hear actors talk?
--- H. M. Warner

-
I know a good number who should shut up.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at September 12, 2020 08:42 PM (+y/Ru)

154 >>>Stab wounds. He may or may not have also strangled her, I don't remember, but she was stabbed multiple times.



I believe the police report said he raped her as she was dying too.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 12, 2020 08:43 PM (VWp7G)

155 Reporters have long faked big news stories especially when it's about a particular person.
Posted by: Skip

Do tell - bigly.

Posted by: The Donald at September 12, 2020 08:44 PM (Rvt88)

156 Also, I wanted to share with the Horde here at the movie thread:

I'm giving away movies again, because I upgraded some flicks. Here's what I have:

- Monty Python's Holy Grail (blu-ray)
- Pretty In Pink: Everything's Duckie Edition (on DVD)
- Fatal Attraction (blu-ray)
- The Stand, 1994 miniseries (on DVD; never played)

As always, whomever's first in requesting something gets it. My email is QDPSJL at the gmail thingy. Good luck!

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 12, 2020 08:44 PM (L2ZTs)

157 What is the film about the reporter in early Soviet Union who called bullshit on the NY Times reporter, Walter Duranty? I gotta watch that.

Posted by: Blutarski



"Mr. Jones".

Watched it last week. Not bad.

Posted by: Sharkman at September 12, 2020 08:44 PM (Qio/u)

158 106 Stallone is actually good at acting without speaking. Especially at physical pain. Shows in First Blood.
Posted by: Ignoramus at September 12, 2020 08:26 PM (9TdxA)

Very true, he was terrific in "Cop Land" portraying a simple, decent guy trying to plow through the deceit to get to the truth.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Michigangsta at September 12, 2020 08:44 PM (Dc2NZ)

159 Stallone's best action film was Cliffhanger.


I really liked that film, and Michael Rooker is good in almost anything.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 12, 2020 08:40 PM (VWp7G)

John Lithgow also.

Posted by: Weaning is hard at September 12, 2020 08:44 PM (2DOZq)

160 naturalfake, I will try Wailing
Posted by: vmom 2020 - 13 Hours Book Review at September 12, 2020 08:27 PM (nUhF0)


You won't regret it.

"The Wailing" is excellent.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 12, 2020 08:44 PM (dWwl8)

161 moviegique, thanks, so Cinerama Dome, then? I saw the restored version of Lawrence when it was released (early 2000s?), at a nice restored big screen theater in Baltimore (The Senator). Only way to see that one.

I think release was 1964, so we've got a ways to go on that.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 12, 2020 08:45 PM (OTzUX)

162 That plus Lord of the Flies. Control-freaks in politics and media combined with people who are easily manipulated makes for a terribly sad result.
Yeah, I just recently heard about the debunking of that one. The media has much to answer for.

Posted by: Ian S. at September 12, 2020 08:45 PM (6XLoz)

163 My favorite Stallone film: "Nighthawks."

Posted by: Weak Geek at September 12, 2020 08:46 PM (u/nim)

164 Also, I shared this in an ONT some nights ago, but:

The entire series of Monty Python's Flying Circus will be released on American blu-ray in November. You can already pre-order it at Amazon.

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 12, 2020 08:46 PM (L2ZTs)

165 >>Stallone's best action film was Cliffhanger.

iirc the trailer was the first I saw where there was no dialogue, just action scenes and operatic music
Posted by: vmom 2020 - 13 Hours Book Review

I watched Wings, the 1927 Best Picture winner, on TCM the other day. The talking head host introduced it as the first big summer action blockbuster. And it was an OK movie.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at September 12, 2020 08:46 PM (+y/Ru)

166 Genovese was killed in 64. They made The Incident in 67.

Posted by: Weaning is hard at September 12, 2020 08:46 PM (2DOZq)

167 >>>John Lithgow also.



Agreed. He's a good villain, as he was in Ricochet with Denzel.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 12, 2020 08:46 PM (VWp7G)

168 Stab wounds. He may or may not have also strangled her, I don't remember, but she was stabbed multiple times.



I believe the police report said he raped her as she was dying too.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 12, 2020 08:43 PM (VWp7G)


Yes, the rape took place inside her apartment building... I don't recall if he dragged her to her room or not. He may have.

The one guy who needs to be held accountable for his actions is the neighbor in her building who saw her inside the building, BEFORE the killer returned, and she may or may not have called out to him for help, but he closed his door and went back to bed.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 12, 2020 08:47 PM (hku12)

169 Very true, he was terrific in "Cop Land" portraying a simple, decent guy trying to plow through the deceit to get to the truth.


The very fit Stallone had to get a bit out of shape for the role, so he did. He was very good in the role. Out of character for him. It also had Robert De Niro, Ray Liotta, Harvey Keitel, Robert Patrick. It had some very solid actors in it.

Posted by: Puddleglum at September 12, 2020 08:47 PM (dV48Q)

170 154 Hey, Wyatt, is PA's death row still in Rockview, and how many there? Not that they'll be leaving soon with the current guv.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at September 12, 2020 08:47 PM (C1Lsn)

171 >>>My favorite Stallone film: "Nighthawks."



Holy crap, how great is Rutger Hauer in that?

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 12, 2020 08:47 PM (VWp7G)

172 157- "Mr. Jones".

Watched it last week. Not bad.
Posted by: Sharkman at September 12, 2020 08:44 PM

Where did you find it?

Posted by: Moonbeam at September 12, 2020 08:48 PM (qe5CM)

173 >>>Hey, Wyatt, is PA's death row still in Rockview, and how many there?


Yes, and I'm not sure. Mumia is still there, living longer than any of us.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 12, 2020 08:48 PM (VWp7G)

174 What is it about La Cosa Nostra that draws such fascination? I admit that I follow organized crime news, and I once subscribed to Jerry Capeci's (shit, I can't confirm the name!) website. Other ethnic groups had criminals; is it just because the Italians outlasted the others? Or is it because of the surnames? Imagine if the Germans were the top dogs -- the von Schitzelhoffer gang. Fit that in a headline!

Finally, the "news" is questionable, but I love NYT headlines. Those folks pack so much into such tight counts.
Posted by: Weak Geek at September 12, 2020 08:31 PM (u/nim)

I think it's because the Italians always did everything with style. They make crap cars, but damn do their cars have style! Their fashions are pretentious and overpriced, but damn, do their women look good in them. Their criminals are no better than anybody else, but they look so good while they do it that everybody want's to make movies about them. Us ordinary Anglos? Our criminal class looks like Joe Bob and Toothless Darryl from the trailer park.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 12, 2020 08:48 PM (V2Yro)

175 I also wanted to ask if anyone has had a chance to see "Unhinged" yet.

I asked about it before and heart it's horrible, but then that's what I first heard here about "The Hunt," yet now at least one Horde member said he/she liked it.
Posted by: qdpsteve at September 12, 2020 08:38 PM (L2ZTs)



"The Hunt" is a huge amount of fun.

Should be place on the Top 25 Moron Movies of All Time.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 12, 2020 08:48 PM (dWwl8)

176 Has the NYT ever been on America's side on anything? The answer to that tells you what kind of people supports them.

Posted by: Case at September 12, 2020 08:48 PM (rH0cI)

177 I believe the police report said he raped her as she was dying too.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 12, 2020 08:43 PM (VWp7G)

wasnt there a fairly recent stabbing in NYC (maybe last year?) of a college student who managed to get back to her building lobby and died there?
the murderer was young - like 12 yo iirc

Posted by: vmom 2020 - 13 Hours Book Review at September 12, 2020 08:48 PM (nUhF0)

178 naturalfake, I will try Wailing
Posted by: vmom 2020 - 13 Hours Book Review

I've seen enough Donkey Chompers to last me a lifetime.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at September 12, 2020 08:49 PM (+y/Ru)

179 Ok, feels like this is not really the time or place to discuss the details of Kitty's murder.

Going to get dinner going, and cue up a movie. I think Baby Driver is on the menu. Unless I have a last minute change of mind.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 12, 2020 08:49 PM (hku12)

180 >>>I think Baby Driver is on the menu.


Only saw the opening chase, but I heard it's an entertaining film.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 12, 2020 08:50 PM (VWp7G)

181 what I've learned -

newspapers have always been fake nooz
fbi has akways been political thugs

Posted by: vmom 2020 - 13 Hours Book Review at September 12, 2020 08:51 PM (nUhF0)

182 >>>wasnt there a fairly recent stabbing in NYC (maybe last year?) of a college student who managed to get back to her building lobby and died there?
the murderer was young - like 12 yo iirc


God I hope not. My daughter is 11, and I cannot imagine such a horrific crime.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 12, 2020 08:51 PM (VWp7G)

183 I remember hearing about the Kitty Genovese murder as a kid and I my reaction was I would never lived in NYC. Nothing since has changed my mind.

As for the NYT, how pathetic an organization. You're in a position to provide actual world-wide in depth coverage of import news and instead you deliberately choose to lick commie boots.

Posted by: Beartooth at September 12, 2020 08:51 PM (PJtXD)

184 Stallone's best action film was Death Race 2000, the Roger Corman version.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 12, 2020 08:52 PM (V2Yro)

185 >>>Has the NYT ever been on America's side on anything? The answer to that tells you what kind of people supports them.



Yes, when FDR turned away the MS St. Louis and sent the Jews back to Germany.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 12, 2020 08:52 PM (VWp7G)

186 Game Night is a fun Saturday night movie if you haven't seen it yet. Kyle Chandler for the 'Ettes!

Posted by: Moonbeam at September 12, 2020 08:53 PM (qe5CM)

187 173 Thanks, Wyatt, quicker than looking it up. Mumia will die there unless Biden wins.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at September 12, 2020 08:53 PM (C1Lsn)

188 Well kinda sorta on-topic since it was a documentary and the Mob has come up.

Got a multi-part documentary DVD set from the library, "Secret War", about various lesser known WWII operations and angles. Yesterday watched the one on Lucky Luciano and his cooperation with the Navy.

Learned more than I knew before about Luciano and the dock situation. The fire on the Normandie, the fear of Axis agents and sabotage. More than just about labor peace til victory.

New to me was the Luciano cooperation in getting intel and contacts to the US for the Sicily invasion. Allegedly Luciano volunteered to parachute in to help, a request that was turned down, but documentation does refer to at least one port where US forces linked up with Mafia contacts who helped them quickly roust Italian military and seize intel info.

Another episode was all new info to me - the Special Interrogation Group in North Africa, German-speaking mostly Jewish soldiers in the British/colonial forces who helped pull off some audacious operations involving deception.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 12, 2020 08:54 PM (OTzUX)

189 My daughter saw The Greatest Showman last week, and she's watched it four times since. She's a big fan of Hugh Jackman now.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 12, 2020 08:54 PM (VWp7G)

190 Cliffhanger was on beginning of the week

Posted by: Skip at September 12, 2020 08:54 PM (OjZpE)

191 Other ethnic groups had criminals; is it just because the Italians outlasted the others? Or is it because of the surnames? Imagine if the Germans were the top dogs -- the von Schitzelhoffer gang.

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Linguini, cannoli etc. are better than Wienerschnitzel.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at September 12, 2020 08:54 PM (+y/Ru)

192 Wyatt, I had heard The Greatest Showman is ruined by a ton of SJW dreck. I just wanna see trapeze girls in leotards dammit!! ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 12, 2020 08:55 PM (L2ZTs)

193 >>>Thanks, Wyatt, quicker than looking it up. Mumia will die there unless Biden wins.



Yep. The governor keeps suggesting he'll be released, which wouldn't surprise me. Tom Wolf is a worm.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 12, 2020 08:55 PM (VWp7G)

194 Game Night is a fun Saturday night movie if you haven't seen it yet



thanks for reminding me ! a comedy. I wanted to see it and then forgot all about it .

Posted by: runner at September 12, 2020 08:55 PM (zr5Kq)

195 Barnard student Tessa Majors, 18, stabbed by a 13 yo and 14yo in 2019

Posted by: vmom 2020 - 13 Hours Book Review at September 12, 2020 08:55 PM (nUhF0)

196 Stallone's best action film was Death Race 2000, the Roger Corman version.
Posted by: Tom Servo
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Any time that movie is mentioned, I point out that I dated one of the starlets.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 12, 2020 08:55 PM (Ve6n5)

197 Mumia is a guest of the Commonwealth I am pretty sure, President Sock-puppet couldn't do much.

Posted by: Skip at September 12, 2020 08:55 PM (OjZpE)

198 Best Stallone movie was "Cobra".

You're a disease, and I'm the cure......

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 12, 2020 08:55 PM (Z+IKu)

199 The worst rape case was committed by Lawrence Singleton . It's also the worst application of justice by the system.

Posted by: Weaning is hard at September 12, 2020 08:56 PM (2DOZq)

200 Other ethnic groups had criminals; is it just because the Italians outlasted the others?


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They were grander in all respects than the others.

Posted by: runner at September 12, 2020 08:56 PM (zr5Kq)

201 I was debating whether to get a 4k disc of First Blood.

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 12, 2020 08:56 PM (L2ZTs)

202 Watched the first Rocky yesterday, hadn't seen it in years, loved that movie as a teenager.

Posted by: Skip at September 12, 2020 08:57 PM (OjZpE)

203 And Lucky's life-time mobster pail, Meyer Lansky, was key in convincing Lucky to cooperate with the US military. Lansky also had some fun breaking up Bund meetings - kinda beautiful - Jewish mobsters roughing up stupid Nazi-sympathizers.

So in today's make-believe concepts would this Sicilian/Jewish mob cooperation be "intersectional"?

Posted by: rhomboid at September 12, 2020 08:57 PM (OTzUX)

204 Thanks, Wyatt, quicker than looking it up. Mumia will die there unless Biden wins.
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I've contemplated a bumper sticker, 'Fry Mumia!'

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 12, 2020 08:57 PM (Ve6n5)

205 191 Toivo Niemi, Arvo Hakkala, and Urho Pykare of the Finnish Mafia are still in business. Beware.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at September 12, 2020 08:57 PM (C1Lsn)

206 Best Stallone movie was "Cobra".
You're a disease, and I'm the cure......
Posted by: Hairyback Guy


Starring Sly as Dr. Anthony Fauci!

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 12, 2020 08:57 PM (L2ZTs)

207 >>>Wyatt, I had heard The Greatest Showman is ruined by a ton of SJW dreck. I just wanna see trapeze girls in leotards dammit!! ;-)



If so, The Princess didn't mention it. Of course, she's 11, and she likely wouldn't notice that.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 12, 2020 08:57 PM (VWp7G)

208 There have been talks about making an All-Female remake of Lord of the Flies. However, I think talks have broken down because Feminists said that they would all work together perfectly and have a perfect society because No Men. Well that would certainly be dull.

On the other hand, most men have said "naah, that's not what would happen. What would happen would be that they would all form separate campfire circles on the beach, and they would all sit there and bitch about the other ones looking trashy and not doing anything but mostly about them looking trashy until everyone starved to death.

I don't think it's gonna get made.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 12, 2020 08:58 PM (V2Yro)

209 >>>I've contemplated a bumper sticker, 'Fry Mumia!'



Heh. If he was released, I guarantee some old-timer former cop would take a shot at the guy. He definitely deserved the death penalty, but PA is a garbage state.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 12, 2020 08:59 PM (VWp7G)

210 There have been talks about making an All-Female remake of Lord of the Flies.
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Already been done. It's called "The Women".

Catfights!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Michigangsta at September 12, 2020 08:59 PM (Dc2NZ)

211 Surviving the Game. I stumbled on it recently. Bizarre movie.

Posted by: Infidel at September 12, 2020 08:59 PM (R4aZ2)

212 If Kitty had been wearing her face diaper she would not have been raped and murdered.

Fight me.

Posted by: torabora at September 12, 2020 08:59 PM (Kjzu8)

213 Rutger Hauer, there's a blast from the past.

Super good in The Hitcher

Posted by: jsg at September 12, 2020 09:00 PM (IC+Cn)

214 Tom Servo, I recall a joke about a world where women are in charge. There would be no wars, but every 28 days there would be strained negotiations.

Posted by: Nikolaj at September 12, 2020 09:00 PM (/zGpf)

215 Who could guess the Mr Rogers type in a Tom Wolf could turn out to be a tyrant.

Posted by: Skip at September 12, 2020 09:00 PM (OjZpE)

216 >>>Super good in The Hitcher


Plus the iconic Hobo With A Shotgun.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 12, 2020 09:00 PM (VWp7G)

217
My favorite Stallone film: "Nighthawks."


Soundtrack by Keith Emerson.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Joe Biden killed my career at September 12, 2020 09:01 PM (HaL55)

218 Wyatt, I had heard The Greatest Showman is ruined by a ton of SJW dreck. I just wanna see trapeze girls in leotards dammit!! ;-)
Posted by: qdpsteve

If you don't care about jailbait, check out "Cuties" on Netflix.

Posted by: The Donald at September 12, 2020 09:01 PM (Rvt88)

219 Any time that movie is mentioned, I point out that I dated one of the starlets.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 12, 2020 08:55 PM (Ve6n5)

ooh that would be fun? Which one? Btw, my opinion is that beneath the schlock value of a Roger Corman film, it's one of the best political satire's of the 70's. My roommates and I shouted "50 Points!!!" anytime we saw someone walking across the road for years.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 12, 2020 09:01 PM (V2Yro)

220 My favorite Stallone film: "Nighthawks."

Soundtrack by Keith Emerson.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Joe Biden killed my career at September 12, 2020 09:01 PM (HaL55)

Nice.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Big Dumb Weirdo at September 12, 2020 09:01 PM (x8Wzq)

221 Mr. Jones is on Amazon.

Posted by: lowandslow at September 12, 2020 09:01 PM (4thlk)

222 This past 2 weeks - first of the traditional Labor Day "serious" presidential campaign season kick-off - Biden has had 3 9AM "lids" (advisory to press pool of no events that day). Three. So we have quite a match-up. The most energetic presidential campaigner in modern (perhaps any) history, vs. an invisible non-entity, who doesn't even take questions.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 12, 2020 09:02 PM (OTzUX)

223 Plus the iconic Hobo With A Shotgun.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 12, 2020 09:00 PM (VWp7G)

Have not watched.

Posted by: jsg at September 12, 2020 09:02 PM (IC+Cn)

224 >>>Have not watched.



me neither, but someone posted it referencing Ace back in his hobo days.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 12, 2020 09:03 PM (VWp7G)

225 There is a Harlan Ellison short story based on the hyped-up account of the Genovese murder. It was published sometime in the 70s. I think I had to read it in high school, and we discussed the "true facts" of the case.

Posted by: Gem at September 12, 2020 09:03 PM (kIHih)

226 209 Fort Smith to Bellefonte PA is about $150 on the bus. No TSA . IYKWIM.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at September 12, 2020 09:03 PM (C1Lsn)

227 189 My daughter saw The Greatest Showman last week, and she's watched it four times since. She's a big fan of Hugh Jackman now.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 12, 2020 08:54 PM (VWp7G)

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I really wanted to like the movie. I enjoy the music, but the movie just fell flat for me.

On the subject of the music, though, Pink's rendition of A Million Dreams is amazing.

Posted by: No One of Consequence at September 12, 2020 09:04 PM (CAJOC)

228 >>>Fort Smith to Bellefonte PA is about $150 on the bus. No TSA . IYKWIM.



Then a sensible dinner.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 12, 2020 09:04 PM (VWp7G)

229 ]222 sure makes that pick up in Scott Adams Twitter feed seem very legitimate

Posted by: Skip at September 12, 2020 09:04 PM (OjZpE)

230 Billy Dee never had one can of malt liquor in Nighthawks.

Posted by: Weaning is hard at September 12, 2020 09:04 PM (2DOZq)

231 It was a very cool arcade game.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 12, 2020 09:04 PM (aLLD1)

232 >>>I really wanted to like the movie. I enjoy the music, but the movie just fell flat for me.



Princess was all about the music. Everything else was noise.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 12, 2020 09:05 PM (VWp7G)

233 About an all girl Lord of the Flies, we already have the lighthouse scene in the Japanese flick Battle Royale. A lot of the plot got lifted to make the inferior Hunger Games

Posted by: Ignoramus at September 12, 2020 09:06 PM (9TdxA)

234 Plus the iconic Hobo With A Shotgun.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 12, 2020 09:00 PM (VWp7G)

Saw part of it on Pluto TV. But I jumped out, because I caught it halfway in, and I have a rule about movies: watch from the beginning if I ain't seen it before.

Still, despite frequent ad breaks (mute button FTW), Pluto TV edits nothing. So, boobs, violence, swears, all are there.

Rifftrax has more boobs than you would believe.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Big Dumb Weirdo at September 12, 2020 09:07 PM (x8Wzq)

235 Billy Dee Williams is the modern-day equivalent of Randolph Scott.

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 12, 2020 09:07 PM (L2ZTs)

236 Randolph Scott !

Posted by: Blazing Saddles Chorus at September 12, 2020 09:08 PM (IC+Cn)

237 I feel like Joe Biden - woman was raped and murdered, liberal paper tries to create a narrative of depraved indifference in society 50 years ago and oh by the way, this is now true by any measure today - helped by the same paper. The Times lied in the 60's and created today's culture. Help me here.

Posted by: Heart of Darkness at September 12, 2020 09:08 PM (nFRLh)

238 Randolph Scott !

Posted by: Blazing Saddles Chorus at September 12, 2020 09:08 PM


Great Scott!

Posted by: Brad Majors at September 12, 2020 09:09 PM (rBtIz)

239 >>>Great Scott!


A toast!

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 12, 2020 09:10 PM (VWp7G)

240 238 Randolph Scott !

Posted by: Blazing Saddles Chorus at September 12, 2020 09:08 PM

Great Scott!
Posted by: Brad Majors at September 12, 2020 09:09 PM (rBtIz)

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Great Scott!!

Posted by: Doc Brown at September 12, 2020 09:10 PM (CAJOC)

241 have you ever said to yourself, "Man, I would love to see a serial killer movie where the killer viciously murders woman by attacking their womanly assets [while quacking like Donald Duck?

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OK, horror movie trivia time. In what movie did the bad guy affix a knife to a trombone slide and wail away in the 7th position?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at September 12, 2020 09:10 PM (+y/Ru)

242 There have been talks about making an All-Female remake of Lord of the Flies.

Waiting for the all-female White Men Can't Jump. Could there be anything better than girl street ball?

Posted by: t-bird at September 12, 2020 09:11 PM (fFtVH)

243 Randolph Scott co starred with John Wayne in The Spoilers.

He was physically bigger than Wayne from my perspective.

Posted by: Weaning is hard at September 12, 2020 09:11 PM (2DOZq)

244 >>>Great Scott!



A toast!

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 12, 2020 09:10 PM


*throws toast*

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 12, 2020 09:12 PM (rBtIz)

245 236 Randolph Scott served in the First War, in the Army. Gassed, he had breathing problems and was rejected for enlistment in the Corps at the outbreak of WW2.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at September 12, 2020 09:12 PM (C1Lsn)

246 Best serial killer movie is Mr Brooks.

Demi Moore almost ruined it though. Not a fan.

Posted by: Weaning is hard at September 12, 2020 09:13 PM (2DOZq)

247 "Stallone's best action film was Death Race 2000, the Roger Corman version"

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"You know, Myra, some people might think you're cute, but me, I think you're one very large baked potato."

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at September 12, 2020 09:13 PM (j4zcI)

248 That's what the Sequoia Black Bears all said to each other after they'd finished enjoying eating the entire Glasgow Hiking Team.

"Great Scot!"

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 12, 2020 09:13 PM (L2ZTs)

249 I saw The Greatest Showman, thought it was mostly innocuous fluff, with some nice music.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 12, 2020 09:13 PM (V2Yro)

250 246 Best serial killer movie is Mr Brooks.

Demi Moore almost ruined it though. Not a fan.
Posted by: Weaning is hard



That was a good one. Kevin Costner was very good in it. I think it's his best movie as an actor. Still like Citizen X better.

Posted by: Puddleglum at September 12, 2020 09:15 PM (dV48Q)

251 246 Best serial killer movie is Mr Brooks.

Demi Moore almost ruined it though. Not a fan.
Posted by: Weaning is hard at September 12, 2020 09:13 PM (2DOZq)

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Gonna disagree. Clearly, it's The Man with Two Brains.

Posted by: No One of Consequence at September 12, 2020 09:16 PM (CAJOC)

252 I'm one episode 1 of Longmire. It had better be good!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Michigangsta at September 12, 2020 09:17 PM (Dc2NZ)

253 >>>Demi Moore almost ruined it though. Not a fan.


Demi Moore's best film? A Few Good Men? There's nothing where I really like her.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 12, 2020 09:18 PM (VWp7G)

254 OK, horror movie trivia time. In what movie did the bad guy affix a knife to a trombone slide and wail away in the 7th position?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler

Town that Dreaded Sundown?

Posted by: Blutarski at September 12, 2020 09:18 PM (nnf6G)

255 252 I'm one episode 1 of Longmire. It had better be good!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Michigangsta at September 12, 2020 09:17 PM (Dc2NZ)

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My wife enjoyed it.

Posted by: No One of Consequence at September 12, 2020 09:19 PM (CAJOC)

256 Longmire is very good.
The scripts basically are the books, or vice versa.

Posted by: MarkY at September 12, 2020 09:19 PM (N8i9I)

257 OK, horror movie trivia time. In what movie did the bad guy affix a knife to a trombone slide and wail away in the 7th position?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at September 12, 2020 09:10 PM (+y/Ru)

oh my god I remember that one but haven't looked it up to place the title. that was awful!

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 12, 2020 09:19 PM (V2Yro)

258 OK, horror movie trivia time. In what movie did the bad guy affix a knife to a trombone slide and wail away in the 7th position?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler

76 Trombone Murders ?

Posted by: Weaning is hard at September 12, 2020 09:19 PM (2DOZq)

259 "Demi Moore almost ruined it though. Not a fan."


She's just horrible. Do you suppose Bruce just got sick of her pretending she was a real actress?

Posted by: lowandslow at September 12, 2020 09:19 PM (4thlk)

260 I'm one episode 1 of Longmire. It had better be good!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Michigangsta

I wondered why the actor who played Longmire wasn't more familiar to me. He seems good. Turns out, he's an Aussie. Good accent, though.

Posted by: Blutarski at September 12, 2020 09:20 PM (nnf6G)

261 Glasgow Hiking Team.

"Great Scot!"
Posted by: qdpsteve at September 12, 2020 09:13 PM (L2ZTs)

Speaking of non-sequiturs, my best good friend has roots in Glasgow. He met a Scot from Edinburgh. when buddy told the man this, the man snorted and said:
Och! Glasgow. Bandits! Hooligans!

And for the record, my direct ancestors hale from Edinburgh, so the gentleman was not wrong.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Big Dumb Weirdo at September 12, 2020 09:20 PM (x8Wzq)

262 I'm still wondering what to think of the Dune remake. There was a remake on Sci-Fi years ago that was decent, but I mean this is the third try.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 12, 2020 09:21 PM (VWp7G)

263 They had the Cruise movie "Edge of Tomorrow" on TV today. I'd never seen it. Actually turned out to be pretty good.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at September 12, 2020 09:21 PM (Mm4NK)

264 The Town tDS was on some months ago and as I do very often look up the movie, it loosely based on a true story.

Posted by: Skip at September 12, 2020 09:22 PM (OjZpE)

265 >>>They had the Cruise movie "Edge of Tomorrow" on TV today. I'd never seen it.



I'm a big fan. Cruise is really good - usually - at picking films. Edge was entertaining, and Bill Paxton was hilarious.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 12, 2020 09:22 PM (VWp7G)

266 Town that Dreaded Sundown?
Posted by: Blutarski

Ding ding ding ding! We have a winner!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at September 12, 2020 09:22 PM (+y/Ru)

267 I'm one episode 1 of Longmire. It had better be good!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Michigangsta

I wondered why the actor who played Longmire wasn't more familiar to me. He seems good. Turns out, he's an Aussie. Good accent, though.
Posted by: Blutarski at September 12, 2020 09:20 PM (nnf6G)

I liked Longmire a lot. Katie Sackoff was excellent. She played a tough chick, but in no way in a Mary Sue way. A realistic tough chick, like the one I married.

Really good show, and they ran it just long enough. Like Justified.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Big Dumb Weirdo at September 12, 2020 09:23 PM (x8Wzq)

268 someone live streamed themselves taking a dump in Malig-Nancy's driveway...

gotta love it!

https://twitter.com/nic0legaray/status/
1304871259847626752

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 12, 2020 09:24 PM (wMDBb)

269 What is it about La Cosa Nostra that draws such fascination? I admit that I follow organized crime news, and I once subscribed to Jerry Capeci's (shit, I can't confirm the name!) website. Other ethnic groups had criminals; is it just because the Italians outlasted the others? Or is it because of the surnames? Imagine if the Germans were the top dogs -- the von Schitzelhoffer gang. Fit that in a headline

I have NEVER gotten into mob movies. The Godfather, Scarface, all those lost me. (Yet one of my favorite movies of all time is Pulp Fiction, and I did like Casino. Those are exceptions.)

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 12, 2020 09:25 PM (SSJSf)

270 Pug, yeah, I've heard that Glasgow and Edinburgh have an LA County/Orange County thing going. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 12, 2020 09:25 PM (L2ZTs)

271 >>>someone live streamed themselves taking a dump in Malig-Nancy's driveway...

gotta love it!



Okay which Moron was this?

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 12, 2020 09:25 PM (VWp7G)

272 I liked Edge of Tomorrow but I liked Oblivion better. I think I'm in the minority.

Posted by: Weaning is hard at September 12, 2020 09:25 PM (2DOZq)

273 red I don't need to see it but that would be funny

Posted by: Skip at September 12, 2020 09:26 PM (OjZpE)

274 While people get sanctimonious re Kitty Genovese, consider that nowadays various polities are considering criminalizing calling the police of black suspected criminals, and that the cops themselves would be slow to conclude a black guy (as Winston Moseley was) was had committed a crime, and should be arrested. Ferguson, Baltimore, Atlanta, and Minneapolis all would impel such a policy.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 12, 2020 09:26 PM (mlxZk)

275 I liked Edge of Tomorrow but I liked Oblivion better. I think I'm in the minority.
Posted by: Weaning is hard at September 12, 2020 09:25 PM (2DOZq)


I liked them both but I agree that Oblivion is better.

Posted by: DR.WTF at September 12, 2020 09:26 PM (AiZBA)

276 269 I never got the hoopla of the Godfather movies totally be truth. Lots of criminal movies I like too.

Posted by: Skip at September 12, 2020 09:27 PM (OjZpE)

277 Yeah I'm not a fan of the mob in mob movies. I like to watch them like I like watching the crime reality shows. Thugs , mobs, gangs. All bullies that need to be put down by good men.

Posted by: Weaning is hard at September 12, 2020 09:28 PM (2DOZq)

278 Skip, I'd like to see Serpico.

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 12, 2020 09:28 PM (L2ZTs)

279 Deplorable Jay Guevara @ 274- I see this everyday, 2 sets of rules.

Posted by: Eromero at September 12, 2020 09:28 PM (XhWtx)

280 I've heard that Glasgow and Edinburgh have an LA County/Orange County thing going. :-)
Posted by: qdpsteve at September 12, 2020 09:25 PM (L2ZTs)

yeah. but it was all good natured. Buddy said this fella was cool as hell. They chatted for at least half an hour. this was when said buddy ran a motel in a tourist town.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Big Dumb Weirdo at September 12, 2020 09:29 PM (x8Wzq)

281 263 They had the Cruise movie "Edge of Tomorrow" on TV today. I'd never seen it. Actually turned out to be pretty good.
Posted by: AshevilleRobert at September 12, 2020 09:21 PM (Mm4NK)

I agree, I liked it quite a bit, and even better, I thought it dealt with the problems of Time Travel intelligently. I enjoy Time Travel stories, BUT they are extraordinarily difficult to plot out correctly, and a lot of efforts have botched the concept completely. "E of T" did a good job at setting up the rules for the universe that movie is set in, and then followed those rules. I especially appreciated the cycle where he decided to quit and do nothing, and he saw that if he did that the aliens were going to overwhelm London in a sneak attack and murder everyone. That provided the motivation for him to keep on trying to get it right, countless times.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 12, 2020 09:29 PM (V2Yro)

282 Serpico was on late not long ago, saw the very beginning.

Posted by: Skip at September 12, 2020 09:30 PM (OjZpE)

283 271 Somebody taking a dump in Nanzi's driveway? Hell, Tom Wolf would dash out with a spoon. Can't say I like that fucker.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at September 12, 2020 09:30 PM (C1Lsn)

284 252 I'm one episode 1 of Longmire. It had better be good!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Michigangsta



I enjoyed it.

262 I'm still wondering what to think of the Dune remake. There was a remake on Sci-Fi years ago that was decent, but I mean this is the third try.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp



The Sy-Fy one was good. This will be the third try at making a movie out of it. It will suffer the same as the other 2 attempts. Dune is a very cerebral book with much of the dialogue being thoughts. Hard to put that into movie form.

Posted by: Puddleglum at September 12, 2020 09:31 PM (dV48Q)

285 253 >>>Demi Moore almost ruined it though. Not a fan.


Demi Moore's best film? A Few Good Men? There's nothing where I really like her.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 12, 2020 09:18 PM (VWp7G)



Striptease. Just stop watching after the first scene.

Posted by: Buzzion at September 12, 2020 09:32 PM (2fGCR)

286 I thought Oblivion was good, but I think E of T was better written.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 12, 2020 09:32 PM (V2Yro)

287 >>>I especially appreciated the cycle where he decided to quit and do nothing, and he saw that if he did that the aliens were going to overwhelm London in a sneak attack and murder everyone.


Stopped pushing the fat guy out of the way and just let the ship land on him. Justice, but I see the point there.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 12, 2020 09:32 PM (bkUtD)

288 I must again highly recommend the "controversial" movie The Hunt, which is the elites hunting Deplorables movie.

It is a hoot.

Posted by: Sharkman at September 12, 2020 09:32 PM (Qio/u)

289 284 252 Longmire is good entertainment, but it has a few too many SJW moments.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at September 12, 2020 09:32 PM (C1Lsn)

290 >>>The Sy-Fy one was good. This will be the third try at making a movie out of it. It will suffer the same as the other 2 attempts. Dune is a very cerebral book with much of the dialogue being thoughts. Hard to put that into movie form.



Yep. The book is great until after the attack by the Harkonnen. The rest, for me, just became tiresome. I finished it, but I liked the first part much more than the second.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 12, 2020 09:33 PM (bkUtD)

291 The Sy-Fy one was good. This will be the third try at making a movie out of it. It will suffer the same as the other 2 attempts. Dune is a very cerebral book with much of the dialogue being thoughts. Hard to put that into movie form.
Posted by: Puddleglum at September 12, 2020 09:31 PM (dV48Q)

Dune is like Fear. It is the Movie-Killer.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 12, 2020 09:34 PM (V2Yro)

292 I hope a motivating factor in this election is all the state tyrants. House 1/2mi away has the Hate Has no Home signs and a Open Pa as well. I really want to knock on door and say make up your mind, you voted for it now you don't want it but are going to vote for it again.

Posted by: Skip at September 12, 2020 09:34 PM (OjZpE)

293 263 They had the Cruise movie "Edge of Tomorrow" on TV today. I'd never seen it. Actually turned out to be pretty good.
Posted by: AshevilleRobert at September 12, 2020 09:21 PM (Mm4NK)

Got instantaneously lost watching this Tom Maverick movie.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 12, 2020 09:34 PM (SSJSf)

294 >>>House 1/2mi away has the Hate Has no Home signs and a Open Pa as well.


The people with the Hate Has No Home Here are the same people calling Trump a Nazi. The entire sign thing is a sham.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 12, 2020 09:34 PM (bkUtD)

295 The music in The Greatest Showman was excellent. The choreography was great. I will put it on for background noise sometimes. I didn't notice any SJW stuff.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at September 12, 2020 09:34 PM (IDhUW)

296 About the Kitty Genovese thing:

It looks to me like people called the cops, the cops didn't come, and the cops afterwards needed some way to get out from under what would have been outrage at the cops.

So, no one called the cops.

Posted by: Stonn at September 12, 2020 09:35 PM (AMiB5)

297 "I agree, I liked it quite a bit, and even better, I
thought it dealt with the problems of Time Travel intelligently. I
enjoy Time Travel stories, BUT they are extraordinarily difficult to
plot out correctly, and a lot of efforts have botched the concept
completely. "E of T" did a good job at setting up the rules for the
universe that movie is set in, and then followed those rules. I
especially appreciated the cycle where he decided to quit and do
nothing, and he saw that if he did that the aliens were going to
overwhelm London in a sneak attack and murder everyone. That provided
the motivation for him to keep on trying to get it right, countless
times.

Posted by: Tom Servo"
---------
I usually hate "Time Travel" plots, but I don't consider this movie to be the usual sort.

Favorite line was where he tells the general that they've had the same conversation a lot of times, because the general is really, really stubborn.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at September 12, 2020 09:35 PM (Mm4NK)

298 Dune is just so quotable, it's entered the culture! Go to Urban Dictionary and look up "Usul has called a Big One!"

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 12, 2020 09:36 PM (V2Yro)

299 Edge of tomorrow was intriguing as most time travel can be.

Posted by: Skip at September 12, 2020 09:36 PM (OjZpE)

300 The SJW crap in Longmire didn't seem to bother me. I'm not sure it was that prevalent. I still would recommend Longmire to watch. (shrugs)

Posted by: Puddleglum at September 12, 2020 09:37 PM (dV48Q)

301 So I've just watched the first 40 minutes of Kurosawa's Seven Samurai, and I have a question, posed very gently because this is cinsidered to be a Classic of Classics:

Seriously, does the acting get any better in this, even a tiny bit? Because right now I want to torch this fucking village full of whiny baby retarded farmers myself. The acting us just horrific and the dialogue is not much better.

I guess I should just focus on Plot.

Or maybe turn it off and go watch Tucker and Dale Versus Evil.



"BLASPHEMY!!!!! BURN THE WITCH!!!"

Posted by: Sharkman at September 12, 2020 09:37 PM (Qio/u)

302 296 So what's wrong about picking up the bat (Or gun) and helping the girl?

Posted by: bill in arkansas at September 12, 2020 09:39 PM (C1Lsn)

303 Even though the ONT is 20 minutes away, it's 20 minutes of sleep more I might get.
Good night all.

Posted by: Skip at September 12, 2020 09:39 PM (OjZpE)

304 And now they're making Tom Clancy's "Without Remorse", only race-swapped (but of course) and set in now instead of 70's, and changing everything else as well. Bastards.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at September 12, 2020 09:39 PM (Mm4NK)

305 Sharkman I'll get my pitch fork if you get the torch, Burn the Witch!

Posted by: Skip at September 12, 2020 09:40 PM (OjZpE)

306 Ace gave a review of Edge of Tomorrow and he seemed to like it. I think he had a complaint that you had all these montages of Cruise learning how to use the exosuit but you never really got the satisfactory moment of seeing him fully deploy it. That they spent all this time on him learning it and then towards the end you never see him in it. And I think ace got that wrong. The badass moment was not in learning the exosuit and being able to do everything in it. The badass learning was about him mastering the time cycle.

Posted by: Buzzion at September 12, 2020 09:41 PM (2fGCR)

307 >>>And now they're making Tom Clancy's "Without Remorse", only race-swapped (but of course) and set in now instead of 70's, and changing everything else as well. Bastards.


Just like The Sum of All Fears with Affleck. Terrible film race-swapped from Islamists to "neo-Nazis."

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 12, 2020 09:41 PM (bkUtD)

308 304 And now they're making Tom Clancy's "Without Remorse", only race-swapped (but of course) and set in now instead of 70's, and changing everything else as well. Bastards.
Posted by: AshevilleRobert



We Clancy is dead now so he can't complain about it. They made a hash out of The Sum of all Fears while he was alive. He was not happy.

Posted by: Puddleglum at September 12, 2020 09:41 PM (dV48Q)

309 Preview of the debates.

https://youtu.be/idPv9zAkL48

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at September 12, 2020 09:42 PM (+y/Ru)

310
"BLASPHEMY!!!!! BURN THE WITCH!!!"
Posted by: Sharkman at September 12, 2020 09:37 PM (Qio/u)

Kurosawa uses exaggerated caricatures of characters like you find in old style theater. But look at their counterparts, the Mexican villagers in the English version. They're just boring stand-ins who have almost no personality at all, they might as well be cardboard cutouts. I do think the Kurosawa version is much superior to the American version in everything except the Musical Score.

think of it as a style of dramatic storytelling that isn't very common anymore.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 12, 2020 09:42 PM (V2Yro)

311 304 And now they're making Tom Clancy's "Without Remorse", only race-swapped (but of course) and set in now instead of 70's, and changing everything else as well. Bastards.
Posted by: AshevilleRobert at September 12, 2020 09:39 PM (Mm4NK)

Oh, good! Another Clancy novel movie adaptation for me to COMPLETELY avoid.

I saw The Sum of All Fears and so regretted it. The terrorists are all right-wing, AND Ben Affleck as Ryan? (hurls)

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 12, 2020 09:42 PM (SSJSf)

312
House 1/2mi away has the Hate Has no Home signs and a Open Pa as well.

What is "Open Pa?"

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 12, 2020 09:43 PM (63Dwl)

313 298 Dune is just so quotable, it's entered the culture! Go to Urban Dictionary and look up "Usul has called a Big One!"
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 12, 2020 09:36 PM (V2Yro)

I've actually been pondering "fear is a mind killer" today. I mean seriously thinking about that and what it means.

Posted by: Northernlurker, don't pay me no mind at September 12, 2020 09:43 PM (lgiXo)

314 We Clancy is dead now so he can't complain about it.
They made a hash out of The Sum of all Fears while he was alive. He was
not happy.

Posted by: Puddleglum
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Probably up to about 1800 RPM in his grave by now.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at September 12, 2020 09:44 PM (Mm4NK)

315 We Clancy is dead now so he can't complain about it. They made a hash out of The Sum of all Fears while he was alive. He was not happy.
Posted by: Puddleglum at September 12, 2020 09:41 PM (dV48Q)

Likewise he threw a fit over Patriot Games. (But admittedly that was good. I thought Harrison Ford did a good job as Ryan. It didn't hurt that fellow HS students who knew I read Clancy's novels kept asking me about the ending.)

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 12, 2020 09:44 PM (SSJSf)

316 >>>Likewise he threw a fit over Patriot Games. (But admittedly that was good. I thought Harrison Ford did a good job as Ryan. It didn't hurt that fellow HS students who knew I read Clancy's novels kept asking me about the ending.)


Very good film, and played out fairly consistently with the book. Ending was different, but it had a good cast.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 12, 2020 09:45 PM (bkUtD)

317 I'm drinking a Negroni and will probably make a second. I'm trying to decide if it's a distinct taste that I actually can grow to like or if it's too bitter.
Kind of like a lot of movies.

Posted by: Northernlurker, don't pay me no mind at September 12, 2020 09:45 PM (lgiXo)

318 My son just said that it was SJW because of the diversity angle. It doesnt come across as SJW because they weren't better than, they were equal to, which is how it should be.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at September 12, 2020 09:46 PM (IDhUW)

319 301: If it makes you feel any better, I am repeatedly assured "12 O'Clock High" (1949) is a great classic. Anytime I see it...the acting and dialogue put me to sleep within minutes.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 12, 2020 09:46 PM (SSJSf)

320 Oh, good! Another Clancy novel movie adaptation for me to COMPLETELY avoid.



I saw The Sum of All Fears and so regretted it. The terrorists are all right-wing, AND Ben Affleck as Ryan? (hurls)

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33
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I fully expect the bad guys in this to be white racist military members.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at September 12, 2020 09:46 PM (Mm4NK)

321 Patriot Games could have followed the book exactly and it would have been much better. As it was, the movie was ok.

Posted by: Puddleglum at September 12, 2020 09:46 PM (dV48Q)

322 OK with all the available technology why didn't the Rebels heat their space hangar on the planet Hoth?

Posted by: DB- just DB. at September 12, 2020 09:46 PM (iTXRQ)

323 I hope someone noted how disgusting the tarts posted by CBD in the "CHEST Thread" were. It's so hypocritical how everyone yells BOOBS and ELBOWS completely objectifying women and all of their various parts and as a Concerned Christian Conservative I can't even show the "CHEST Thread" to my husband or children for fear of cleavage and potential for visible knees. How are you any better than the liberals if you are staring at female butts and objectifying them like some sort of objects. STOP IT you pervos

Posted by: Madwesterner at September 12, 2020 09:46 PM (+MpRO)

324 Never saw "First Blood." Watching it tonight. Quite good.

Posted by: Ordinary American

Yes, it is.

Posted by: JT




I just watched Rambo: Last Blood the other night.

A little slow, but gets cooking eventually and he kills the ever-loving shit out of a bunch of dudes who had it coming.

Posted by: Sharkman at September 12, 2020 09:47 PM (Qio/u)

325 I looked at 9/11 movies yesterday. Flight 93 is different than United 93. Any thoughts on either?

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at September 12, 2020 09:48 PM (IDhUW)

326 One of the movies I can watch many times is The Great Escape. I have no idea if it's a great movie or not but I enjoy it.

Posted by: Northernlurker, don't pay me no mind at September 12, 2020 09:48 PM (lgiXo)

327 William Randolph Hearst, newspaper magnate, referred to his girlfriend's ... little man in a boat ... as Rosebud. Orson Welles had made an enemy for life. That headline about people being terrified by War of the Worlds was a fabrication either made by him, or made to curry his favor.

Welles casually mentioned in WW2 that he would be drafted reliably several times a year. Which is to say that he would report, get herded through a degrading and tiresome process, and let loose because Citizen Welles was a greater asset than Private Welles.

The fact that he was selected, Welles attributed to Hearst requesting some politician to make it happen. The level of corruption should not surprise.

I had taken a journalism class that continued that lie about a War of the Worlds panic, even though the truth was more interesting. Journalists tend to prefer the clever-for-dumb-people Forest Gump versions of history.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 12, 2020 09:48 PM (LxTcq)

328 323: Put away the alcohol.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 12, 2020 09:49 PM (SSJSf)

329 I don't really care if they made John Clark black for Without Remorse but I just know they did it to fill it full of "America is racist" bullshit.

Posted by: lowandslow at September 12, 2020 09:49 PM (4thlk)

330 Just like The Sum of All Fears with Affleck. Terrible film race-swapped from Islamists to "neo-Nazis."

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 12, 2020 09:41 PM (bkUtD)

I love how Clancy introduces himself on the Director commentary as "The guy who wrote the book they ignored in making this movie"

Posted by: Methos at September 12, 2020 09:49 PM (kOpft)

331 On a highly charged political day, a near apolitical coverage of the transgressions like a heavy wool blanket ! Democrats should give thanks for days like today ! When they need a pass the most. Tom Clancy built his reputation of books that looked to blame Russians, at first, but at the end it was evil Americans. I clearly see his politics, to bad so many are so blinded so easily.

Posted by: ron n. at September 12, 2020 09:49 PM (om5HK)

332 Karen on #323

Posted by: torabora at September 12, 2020 09:49 PM (Kjzu8)

333 I'm drinking a Negroni and will probably make a second. I'm trying to decide if it's a distinct taste that I actually can grow to like or if it's too bitter.
Kind of like a lot of movies.
Posted by: Northernlurker, don't pay me no mind at September 12, 2020 09:45 PM (lgiXo)



I like the Negroni a lot.

It's more of an aperitif than anything.

I think it works best with a Navy Strength Gin. That way the juniper still peeks through the rest.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 12, 2020 09:49 PM (dWwl8)

334 323 I hope someone noted how disgusting the tarts posted by CBD in the "CHEST Thread" were. It's so hypocritical how everyone yells BOOBS and ELBOWS completely objectifying women and all of their various parts and as a Concerned Christian Conservative I can't even show the "CHEST Thread" to my husband or children for fear of cleavage and potential for visible knees. How are you any better than the liberals if you are staring at female butts and objectifying them like some sort of objects. STOP IT you pervos
Posted by: Madwesterner at September 12, 2020 09:46 PM (+MpRO)

-------------------------------

Show us yer bewbs!!!

Posted by: No One of Consequence at September 12, 2020 09:49 PM (CAJOC)

335 319 301: If it makes you feel any better, I am repeatedly assured "12 O'Clock High" (1949) is a great classic. Anytime I see it...the acting and dialogue put me to sleep within minutes.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 12, 2020 09:46 PM (SSJSf)
--

"Three O'Clock High" is better.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Michigangsta at September 12, 2020 09:49 PM (Dc2NZ)

336 Very good film, and played out fairly consistently with the book. Ending was different, but it had a good cast.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp
---------------
Hated it. Completely cut out the American terrorists that help the Irish ones. He does NOT get in a fight in the street outside Annapolis with one of them, there is no woman in the Irish group, etc. etc. And that ending! What a total cluster F.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at September 12, 2020 09:50 PM (Mm4NK)

337 Dan Stevens is great in The Guest, a creepy movie about a guy who shows up at his battle buddy's home after battle buddy is killed overseas.

Things are not at all as they seem, with him, or anything else.

Posted by: Sharkman at September 12, 2020 09:50 PM (Qio/u)

338 318 My son just said that it was SJW because of the diversity angle. It doesnt come across as SJW because they weren't better than, they were equal to, which is how it should be.
Posted by: AmericanKestrel



I assume you're talking about Longmire. That is true. It was good to watch a modern show that didn't go 'Noble Savage' with the Indians. They were written and acted as just people with all the flaws that human beings have.

Posted by: Puddleglum at September 12, 2020 09:50 PM (dV48Q)

339
I like the Negroni a lot.

It's more of an aperitif than anything.

I think it works best with a Navy Strength Gin. That way the juniper still peeks through the rest.
Posted by: naturalfake at September 12, 2020 09:49 PM (dWwl

Yes I would try that. I'm not sure where I can find Navy Strength gin.

Posted by: Northernlurker, don't pay me no mind at September 12, 2020 09:50 PM (lgiXo)

340 326 One of the movies I can watch many times is The Great Escape. I have no idea if it's a great movie or not but I enjoy it.
Posted by: Northernlurker, don't pay me no mind at September 12, 2020 09:48 PM (lgiXo)

That's another one that should get an all-Female remake. The big closing scene will be when Rebel Wilson tries to jump that barbed wire fence on a Vespa.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 12, 2020 09:51 PM (V2Yro)

341 I fully expect the bad guys in this to be white racist military members.
Posted by: AshevilleRobert at September 12, 2020 09:46 PM (Mm4NK)

In any event I am staying the hell away. Without Remorse was a damn good book. (Mr. Kelly torturing bad guys in a homemade hyperbaric traitor? Same dude jacking up traitorous hippies and coming at them like he is the Terminator? Hell yeah! You will NOT see that in the movie.)

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 12, 2020 09:51 PM (SSJSf)

342 Just watched Critical Drinker's review of the new Mulan. Wow, it really stinks on ice.

Remember when Disney had the best story department in town? It's like the people they have now know nothing about writing beyond political correctness.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 12, 2020 09:52 PM (oVJmc)

343 That's another one that should get an all-Female remake. The big closing scene will be when Rebel Wilson tries to jump that barbed wire fence on a Vespa.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 12, 2020 09:51 PM (V2Yro)

You made me laugh but it could be the alcohol.

Dracula with an all female cast might actually be weirdly interesting.

Posted by: Northernlurker, don't pay me no mind at September 12, 2020 09:52 PM (lgiXo)

344 337 Dan Stevens is great in The Guest, a creepy movie about a guy who shows up at his battle buddy's home after battle buddy is killed overseas.

Things are not at all as they seem, with him, or anything else.
Posted by: Sharkman at September 12, 2020 09:50 PM (Qio/u)

-------------------------

He's also good as Dickens in The Man Who Invented Christmas, and the main character in Legion.

Posted by: No One of Consequence at September 12, 2020 09:52 PM (CAJOC)

345 Posted by: Madwesterner at September 12, 2020 09:46 PM (+MpRO)

u mad bro?

Posted by: Methos at September 12, 2020 09:53 PM (kOpft)

346 'Madwestern' is a sock. Satire.


Posted by: Puddleglum at September 12, 2020 09:53 PM (dV48Q)

347 331: clearly you haven't read Red Storm Rising, one of those novels that I Enjoyed Way, Way Too Much For My Own Good.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 12, 2020 09:53 PM (SSJSf)

348 OK with all the available technology why didn't the Rebels heat their space hangar on the planet Hoth?

Posted by: DB- just DB
---------------------
Why didn't they use their X-wings to blast the AT-AT's instead of those piddly little snowspeeders?

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at September 12, 2020 09:53 PM (Mm4NK)

349 Started to watch a college football game on TV. Less than a minute after turning it on the announcers started lecturing me about SJW crap. Put on Night of the Lepus instead. Amazing how difficult it is to make a bunny rabbit look threatening.

One afternoon, I heard a blood curdling woman's scream. I ran outside to see what was going on. It was a bunny rabbit being harried by a dog. I went across the street, said "NO" to the dog, and picked up the bunny, which was obviously somebodies pet, as it made no attempt to flee from me. Went up to the door, kids answered. Asked them if that was their bunny, and they said it was. Gave it to them and went back home.

Posted by: An Observation at September 12, 2020 09:53 PM (Zcy8g)

350 318 My son just said that it was SJW because of the diversity angle. It doesnt come across as SJW because they weren't better than, they were equal to, which is how it should be.
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at September 12, 2020 09:46 PM (IDhUW)



That's the thing. People are just going to start assuming "diversity" hires on films are because of the diversity quotas and it isn't about anything else. It's like the Jake from State Farm. I looked it up the original guy is just an everyday employee of State Farm so when the decision was made to create a spokesman character he probably wasn't in the running. But I know almost everyone assumes that the actor chosen was picked specifically for being a minority.

Posted by: Buzzion at September 12, 2020 09:54 PM (2fGCR)

351 'Madwestern' is a sock. Satire.

Posted by: Puddleglum at September 12, 2020 09:53 PM (dV48Q)


It was interesting the first 50 times.

Posted by: DR.WTF at September 12, 2020 09:54 PM (AiZBA)

352 347 331: clearly you haven't read Red Storm Rising, one of those novels that I Enjoyed Way, Way Too Much For My Own Good.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33



That was Clancy's best book and I LOVED The Hunt for Red October.

Posted by: Puddleglum at September 12, 2020 09:55 PM (dV48Q)

353 >>>Just watched Critical Drinker's review of the new Mulan. Wow, it really stinks on ice.


best recommendation Ace ever gave. The Drinker is awesome and always hilarious.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 12, 2020 09:55 PM (bkUtD)

354 "Mr. Jones".

Watched it last week. Not bad.
Posted by: Sharkman at September 12, 2020 08:44 PM

Where did you find it?

Posted by: Moonbram



Amazon Prime

Posted by: Sharkman at September 12, 2020 09:56 PM (Qio/u)

355 >>>clearly you haven't read Red Storm Rising, one of those novels that I Enjoyed Way, Way Too Much For My Own Good.



I own all of the Clancy books written by him, and Red Storm Rising is the best of the bunch, IMO.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 12, 2020 09:56 PM (bkUtD)

356 That was Clancy's best book and I LOVED The Hunt for Red October.

Posted by: Puddleglum

--------------
I loved it as well. I especially liked how he wove all the different threads together and had multiple "main" characters.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at September 12, 2020 09:57 PM (Mm4NK)

357 "Night of the Lepus" LOL! For a decade after it ended, everyone in ST:TOS had a hell of a time getting any decent work. I remember a William Shatner movie (because I saw it at the theater in high school) called "The Devil's Rain." Gawd that was an awful, awful movie!

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 12, 2020 09:57 PM (V2Yro)

358 351 'Madwestern' is a sock. Satire.

Posted by: Puddleglum at September 12, 2020 09:53 PM (dV48Q)

It was interesting the first 50 times.
Posted by: DR.WTF at September 12, 2020 09:54 PM (AiZBA)

So was your MOM. Ohhhh!!!

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 12, 2020 09:58 PM (NWiLs)

359 I love how Clancy introduces himself on the Director commentary as "The guy who wrote the book they ignored in making this movie"
Posted by: Methos at September 12, 2020 09:49 PM (kOpft)

Seriously? That is bloody awesome if true.

Sum was one of those books I enjoyed way, way, way too much for my own good in HS.

My father had an optical shop in the backyard for all intents and purposes then. When I read the part about how the terrorists were talking about where to get the precision machine tools to make the bomb, and another guy asks "Who made your glasses?", I walked out to the shed in the backyard, and checked out the optical equipment...

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 12, 2020 09:58 PM (SSJSf)

360 Preview of the debates.



https://youtu.be/idPv9zAkL48

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at September 12, 2020 09:42 PM (+y/Ru)


That was pretty good. I like when Biden's hair was on fire.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 12, 2020 10:01 PM (ZQ4sC)

361 Trump rally. Some state called Nevada.

Posted by: runner at September 12, 2020 10:02 PM (zr5Kq)

362 AmericanKestrel:

I haven't seen Flight 93.
I did see United 93, in the theater, and I have it on blu-ray. I LOVED it and think it's great.

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 12, 2020 10:02 PM (L2ZTs)

363 I'm drinking a Negroni and will probably make a second. I'm trying to
decide if it's a distinct taste that I actually can grow to like or if
it's too bitter.

Try it with vodka if you don't like gin. You won't care after a few anyway.


Posted by: dartist at September 12, 2020 10:02 PM (+ya+t)

364 ONT is Nood!

Posted by: No One of Consequence at September 12, 2020 10:02 PM (CAJOC)

365 *ONT is NOOD!*

Posted by: Slapweasel at September 12, 2020 10:02 PM (Ckg4U)

366 Yes I would try that. I'm not sure where I can find Navy Strength gin.
Posted by: Northernlurker, don't pay me no mind at September 12, 2020 09:50 PM (lgiXo)


Most liquor stores carry them.

Plymouth, Hayman's, and Sipsmith are all good.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 12, 2020 10:02 PM (dWwl8)

367 326 One of the movies I can watch many times is The Great Escape. I have no idea if it's a great movie or not but I enjoy it.
Posted by: Northernlurker, don't pay me no mind at September 12, 2020 09:48 PM (lgiXo)

I watch 'Battleship' whenever it comes on...but then I also watch 'The Ghost and Mr. Chicken' whenever it's on so what do I know?

Posted by: Anonymous guy in Ca at September 12, 2020 10:02 PM (FnwlK)

368 Night of the Lepus is adorable.

"The Devil's Rain" is kind of a cult (heh) classic. Though...yeah...hard to watch.

There's a mashup of "Texas Chainsaw Massacre" and "The Devil's Rain" directed by Brian Pulido, who draws Lady Death. It's also hard to watch except for the very attractive leads.

Posted by: moviegique at September 12, 2020 10:03 PM (CcUfv)

369 And now they're making Tom Clancy's "Without
Remorse", only race-swapped (but of course) and set in now instead of
70's, and changing everything else as well. Bastards.





Just like The Sum of All Fears with Affleck. Terrible film race-swapped from Islamists to "neo-Nazis."

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 12, 2020 09:41 PM (bkUtD)


See? We told you that white supremacists are the greatest threat to the country!!!

--your pals at DHS

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 12, 2020 10:03 PM (ZQ4sC)

370 Thanks Steve, based on your rec, that's the one I'll get.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at September 12, 2020 10:03 PM (IDhUW)

371 356 That was Clancy's best book and I LOVED The Hunt for Red October.

Posted by: Puddleglum

--------------
I loved it as well. I especially liked how he wove all the different threads together and had multiple "main" characters.
Posted by: AshevilleRobert at September 12, 2020 09:57 PM (Mm4NK)

Seriously. I enjoyed it way, way, way too much.

As my best friend put it to his (now ex-)wife, "Some kids carried around the Bible in school. Catch had Red Storm Rising. I used to give him shit for it until I finally read it, years later..."

In JROTC we went to football games to "guard" the section with the dance teams, band, etc. On the way home those of us who read the book kept yelling "LET'S HAVE AN ATTITUDE CHECK!!!" (Of course, we dare not CONTINUE the attitude check. The nerds, of which I was one, who all read Red Storm Rising all snickered.)

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 12, 2020 10:04 PM (SSJSf)

372 Okay, my DVD of The Stand has been snapped up.
If anyone is interested in any other of my movie giveaways listed above, please let me know.

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 12, 2020 10:04 PM (L2ZTs)

373 'Madwestern' is a sock. Satire.







Posted by: Puddleglum


Gotta admit. That was on this week's AOSHQ highlight reel!

Also, lots of beautiful UNMASKED American faces waiting for Trump in Nevada!

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at September 12, 2020 10:04 PM (+MpRO)

374 Preview of the debates.


Holy crap, he actually did Walter as Biden. Too perfect to pass up.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 12, 2020 10:04 PM (oVJmc)

375 AK, think you'll enjoy.
Paul Greengrass did IMHO a great job of telling a great story, and keeping politics out of it.

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 12, 2020 10:04 PM (L2ZTs)

376 357 "Night of the Lepus" LOL! For a decade after it ended, everyone in ST:TOS had a hell of a time getting any decent work. I remember a William Shatner movie (because I saw it at the theater in high school) called "The Devil's Rain." Gawd that was an awful, awful movie!
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 12, 2020 09:57 PM (V2Yro)

Didn't The Devil's Rain have Ernest Borgnine in it too?

If so...hoo boy, I remember that piece of cinematic crap.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 12, 2020 10:05 PM (SSJSf)

377 Think the lie of thirty people standing around was exposed several years ago but this story puts meat on the bones.

Excellent presentation, I'm ready to see it.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 12, 2020 10:06 PM (OqO0g)

378 360 Preview of the debates.



https://youtu.be/idPv9zAkL48

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at September 12, 2020 09:42 PM (+y/Ru)


That was pretty good. I like when Biden's hair was on fire.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 12, 2020 10:01 PM (ZQ4sC)

If they get to a real debate Trump should just give short, succint answers to each question, then say 'I cede the rest of my time to my opponent saying ...'what have you got to say, sir?' I'll bet it would be comedy gold.

Posted by: Anonymous guy in Ca at September 12, 2020 10:06 PM (FnwlK)

379 372 Okay, my DVD of The Stand has been snapped up.
If anyone is interested in any other of my movie giveaways listed above, please let me know.
Posted by: qdpsteve at September 12, 2020 10:04 PM (L2ZTs)

Why the hell was that unopened? Did you see it before at least? (I admit I liked that minseries, though I have not seen it since it came out.)

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 12, 2020 10:06 PM (SSJSf)

380 Catch33, it was opened, just never watched. I saw the miniseries when it first aired on ABC.

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 12, 2020 10:08 PM (L2ZTs)

381 Here's my conclusion reading about the documentary, and it's a question for moviegique, et al...

Does the NYT tell the truth about freaking ANYTHING???

I just saw an advert on TV for the NYT. Sick.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 12, 2020 10:08 PM (SSJSf)

382 380 Catch33, it was opened, just never watched. I saw the miniseries when it first aired on ABC.
Posted by: qdpsteve at September 12, 2020 10:08 PM (L2ZTs)

Gotcha. I was hoping you at least saw it.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 12, 2020 10:09 PM (SSJSf)

383 Theme song for tonight's rally: House of the Rising Sun

Posted by: Braenyard at September 12, 2020 10:11 PM (OqO0g)

384 382 380 Catch33, it was opened, just never watched. I saw the miniseries when it first aired on ABC.
Posted by: qdpsteve at September 12, 2020 10:08 PM (L2ZTs)

Gotcha. I was hoping you at least saw it.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 12, 2020 10:09 PM (SSJSf)

---------------------------------

Thing I remember most about the mini-series. There was a point where I actually started feeling sorry for Flagg.

Posted by: No One of Consequence at September 12, 2020 10:11 PM (CAJOC)

385 Funny story about The Stand. I knew it was being made; didn't know when it was coming out. Then, late in April 1994 the TV was on ABC for some reason on Saturday afternoon as I was getting ready to go to work. Then I saw a preview for it. As soon as it was over I bolted for the phone to call one of my buds who was a huge fan of the book and was looking forward to the miniseries. As soon as I grabbed the phone, it rang. Who called? The exact same dude I was going to call.
Crazy.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 12, 2020 10:11 PM (SSJSf)

386
I saw Glory when it came out and I liked it. It holds up, but it wouldn't get made today. Too patronizing. And Broderick orders Denzel whipped for desertion.
Posted by: Ignoramus at September 12, 2020 08:18 PM (9TdxA)


One glaring error in that film was the direction of the attack on Battery Wagner. In the film it came from the north; it real life it came from the south.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at September 12, 2020 10:12 PM (pNxlR)

387 "I liked Edge of Tomorrow but I liked Oblivion better. I think I'm in the minority"

---------

I like "Oblivion" better as well, despite the ending being a direct ripoff of "Independence Day."

"Oblivion": Astronaut Captain Harper (played by white box office champ Tom Cruise) delivers atomic bomb to alien mothership accompanied by black sidekick.

"Independence Day": Would-be astronaut Captain Hiller (played by black box office champ Will Smith) delivers atomic bomb to alien mothership accompanied by white sidekick.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at September 12, 2020 10:14 PM (j4zcI)

388 Oblivion was better that Edge of Tomorrow, the first time through. The reveal is a big part of the enjoyment. I can watch Edge of Tomorrow more than once and still enjoy it.

Plus I think Cruise is better in Oblivion. "What was your mission! WHO ARE YOU!" is a great scene. He plays rocked really well.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 12, 2020 10:36 PM (Ap0c4)

389 383 Theme song for tonight's rally: House of the Rising Sun
Posted by: Braenyard at September 12, 2020 10:11 PM (OqO0g)

...but it wasn't in New Orleans.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 12, 2020 11:14 PM (SSJSf)

390 That's the thing. People are just going to start assuming "diversity" hires on films are because of the diversity quotas and it isn't about anything else. It's like the Jake from State Farm. I looked it up the original guy is just an everyday employee of State Farm so when the decision was made to create a spokesman character he probably wasn't in the running. But I know almost everyone assumes that the actor chosen was picked specifically for being a minority.
Posted by: Buzzion at September 12, 2020 09:54 PM (2fGCR)

If you see the first commercial with the new Jake, he asks the old Jake a question. So, the way I see it, Jake is working for The Man.

Therefore, like everything else in America that ISN'T the party with the sole, exclusive right to rule the United States as it sees fit, it is racist.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 12, 2020 11:18 PM (SSJSf)

391 Reading The Van Rijn Method by Poul Anderson on Horde recommendation.


Planning to read the entire Technic Civilization series.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at September 13, 2020 09:35 AM (+MpRO)

392 Poul Anderson is always good.

Posted by: moviegique at September 13, 2020 12:24 PM (CcUfv)

393 I'm of an age where my parents could have listened to Welles broadcast. They didn't. I suspect once you got eat of Philadelphia that their experience was the norm.

Posted by: Bill Hedrick at September 13, 2020 03:43 PM (/Atkl)

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