Gun Thread: Miscellaneous Stuff Edition! [Weasel]

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Is it Sunday again already? Welp, here we are so it must be Sunday. It's a rainy weekend here, and I'm watching the grass seed I didn't put down, not grow. I also didn't go down to the farm given the weather forecast, so I'm at home goofing around with video cameras and microphones and lights. I have to say WeaselCat v2, WeaselDog and Little Joe are getting a little tired of being my video test subjects.

Anyhoo, enough stalling, let's get to the gun stuff below, shall we?

Parallax
So today let's discuss something I have been meaning to explain for a while, and that's the concept of parallax in scopes. Parallax is sort of a simple concept once you get it, but it's also just complicated enough to have achieved some sort of mythical status among shooters. This is due mostly, I think, to poor explanations of what causes parallax in the first place. Allow me to hopefully not make that worse.

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So the picture above is one many of us are familiar with in discussions of parallax. The short explanation is parallax occurs when the target is on a different focal plane than the reticle. OK. What the hell does that mean? Well, it's really not as complicated as it sounds. Try the following experiment:

Choose a "target" about an arm's length away, and hold your thumb up as the scope reticle about a foot from your nose. Now move your head up and down and right and left. See how the "reticle" moves in relation to the target based on your eye position? Now extend your arm to full length and repeat the process. See how your thumb remains over the target despite changes in your eye position?

This is parallax. In the first example, your thumb and the target are on different focal planes. In the second example, the reticle has been moved onto the same focal plane as the target. That's it. Why is it bad? Well, unless you have a perfectly consistent cheek weld and eye position behind the scope, every time you take a shot the apparent position of the reticle, and thereby the bore axis of the barrel, has changed. In other words, you are no longer pointed at the target. That's why it's bad.

Many rifle scopes have what a lot of shooters think is a focus knob. Sometimes it's on the scope body near the elevation and windage dials, and sometimes it's on the objective lens, and will have reference marks for different distances. These aren't focus knobs, but rather are for parallax adjustments. The distance markings on the scope are simply there for reference. In order to eliminate parallax, each time the distance to the target changes, you must check for parallax. Turn the dial until head and eye movement behind the scope do not cause changes in the reticle position in relation to the target. Don't just rely on the indicated range marks. 'kay?

At the risk of messing up my excellent explanation, here's a good video from Shooting USA on the topic for you visual learners.

I hope this takes a little of the mystery out of the concept of parallax and how to adjust for it. Remember, a scope with uncorrected parallax is just as bad, if not worse, than a scope that hasn't been zeroed. If you have wandering bullet impacts, check for parallax!

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Last week we had a question from our pal Larro on non-lethal deterrents.

We retired, sold our home, and now RV around the country. Let's say we are rolling down the interstate and there's a protest up ahead trying to stop traffic. My rig is really big; a fifth wheel pulled by a crew cab dually. I don't have luxury of turning around or backing to Birmingham...

So how about a discussion on non lethal deterrent system? I saw some recent use of mace, but it didn't look that deterring.

And here is what your ol' pal Weasel had to say in soliciting comments:

Great question, Larro! My first response would be not to stop. You are behind the wheel of an enormous rolling deterrent, and you might very well have to use it as such. Personally, I would also have a lethal form of self-defense with me at all times, but that might be problematic when travelling from state to state each with different gun laws. I have never been a huge fan of non-lethal systems, but if absolutely pressed, I'd look for some kind of bear spray or even cans of wasp and hornet stuff that sprays a stream about 20 feet, but you need to have a plan if those don't work.

The next day I had the following great point in the Gun Thread email from our pal Sam Adams in response to my suggestion to use bug spray.

On the Sunday Night Gun Thread, Larro was asking what non-lethal deterrents he could use in the event he and his wife are trapped by an angry mob while traveling in their motor home. One of you guys suggested wasp or hornet spray. This is bad advice. It could get Larro prosecuted with a variety of nasty charges, and could also lead to him getting sued. I would strongly recommend seeking out an attorney's advice on matters like this, and Larro needs to join a group providing legal protection and advice to firearms owners and travelers.

Wasp sprays are poisonous, and can act as nerve agents. Their intended use is not as a self-defense item for humans, with temporary side effects. Using them as such is going to get you slapped in handcuffs, and most likely sued. I've heard this discussed on self-defense forums on at least two different talk radio shows, and in both instances, lawyers were quite vociferous in their opposition to good people using wasp spray/insecticide on the street in self-defense situations. Again, I would talk to a lawyer to clarify the matter.

Way to bitch-slap me with some knowledge, Sam Adams! When you think about it, this makes perfect sense, and I very much appreciate your taking the time to send this in. If you're going to employ a non-lethal deterrent, then you shouldn't be using something that can cause permanent damage and subject yourself to uncertain legal consequences. If you want to cause permanent damage, use a gun.

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Next up our pal JT sends in the following AR15 aftermarket trigger comparison video, and some popular models are reviewed including; Hiperfire, Elftmann, Geissele, Rise Armament and Triggertech. The video is longish at almost 22 minutes, so you might want to bookmark it for later.

What do you think? Is it sort of a beans in chili vs. no beans in chili thing? How many of you have replaced the stock trigger in your AR15? It's not hard to do! What trigger are you using?

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Here's a nice video of a Hornady factory tour. I was sort of surprised to learn they manufactured their reloading gear in the same plant as their ammunition.

I was particularly impressed with their QC checks. How many of you use Hornady ammunition or reloading gear?

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And speaking of factory tours, here's a great look at the machine work necessary to make AR components from Palmetto State Armory. [h/t JT]

Nice! Thanks JT!

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Stabby Things
This week we have a nice bayonet example from or pal OrangeENT, along with a question.

I bought a nice WWI era 16" bayonet a few years ago. Now, I'm no expert and have no military background, but I'm pretty sure the thing shouldn't be sharpened. I'm thinking the previous owner did it. My question is how to dull the edge down so I don't slice myself open handling the thing. Do you have any ideas that would work without ruining the bayonet? Other than scraping it against the bodies of commies, that is.

First pic is of the govt stamp, the second is a closer view of the blade where it's sharpened. the third is a complete pic.

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Great bayonet and stabby thing, OrangeENT! Thanks for sending it in. Also a very good question, so how about it guys and gals? What's the consensus on sharpening and un-sharpening?

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Next we have an outstanding find by our pal long time anonymous lurker who has figured out what Facebook is good for.

I am a fan of the Old Guard 3rd US Infantry and receive updates on Facebook from them. One of the few things that Facebook as actually good for. Anyway, I did not know this and found it beautiful.

Soldiers of the Tomb of the Unknown - 3d U.S. Infantry Regiment (The Old Guard) | Facebook
Soldiers of the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, 3d U.S. Infantry Regiment (The Old Guard), utilize four unique ceremonial M17 Pistols during their solemn duty. The four pistols bear the names of Silence, Respect, Dignity and Perseverance. Dignity and Perseverance represent Line 5 of the Sentinel's Creed.

I'm at Arlington National Cemetery not infrequently and try to stop by the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier whenever I'm there. If you are ever in Washington, D.C. you owe it to yourself to visit this Hallowed Ground. The ceremonial Changing of the Guard is something everyone should see at least once.

Many thanks to long time anonymous lurker for sending this in!

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Texas MoMe
It's next month! There will be a lot of shooting opportunities for everyone, and we are exploring the feasibility of a Gun Stuff Swap Meet on Friday and Saturday. If you have items you're no longer using, why not give your fellow Morons first crack at them? You're welcome to buy, sell or trade your stuff so if you're interested, bring a small table to setup, and plan to stay with your stuff. This is a very informal opportunity, and the main objective is to not have it become a pain in the ass for our gracious organizers and hosts.

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Link-O-Rama

I'm really very seriously not kidding around anymore. Buy Ammo
AmmoSeek - online ammo search tool
GunBot - online ammo search tool
SG Ammo
Palmetto State Armory
Georgia Arms
AmmoMan
Target Sports USA

***Mail Bag***

In place of the regular Mailbag entry, I'd like to take a minute to remember our pal ibguy who recently passed away. Henry, or Hank to his friends, was a consistent contributor to the Gun Thread in general, and the Mailbag feature in particular. Although I never met Hank in person, I corresponded with him often enough over the last couple of years to know he was someone I both liked immediately and looked forward to meeting someday. Now that this is no longer possible, I'll simply remember him fondly as I prepare this section each week.

Rest in Peace, Amigo.

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

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Comments

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1
A Sunday without a gun thread is like a
day without sunshine!

Posted by: OrangeEnt at September 13, 2020 07:01 PM (0jfkF)

2 Aw shoot.

Posted by: the Spartans at September 13, 2020 07:04 PM (a9SQQ)

3 My tablet is being goofy

Posted by: Skip at September 13, 2020 07:04 PM (OjZpE)

4 It is a 03 springfield bayonet, a lot of them were cut down for the Garand in WWII.

As for sharpening, anyone could have done it including some kid or some soldier.

I wouldn't unsharpen it. It won't increase its value and you might muck it up further. Use it for your field kit if you are a reenactor.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 13, 2020 07:05 PM (WyVLE)

5 Aw shoot.

Posted by: the Spartans at September 13, 2020 07:04 PM (a9SQQ)

No, my blogger page was Ah, Shoot!

Posted by: OrangeEnt at September 13, 2020 07:05 PM (0jfkF)

6
g'early evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson (Click here for the MiMoMe!!!) at September 13, 2020 07:06 PM (ceGvW)

7 Hey, friends!
Nice bayonet. I'm not sure if sharpening would decrease its value as a collectible, but would maybe give a light coat of oil just to keep away any further corrosion.
What does the S A stand for?
Stabby Army?

Posted by: navybrat the not so irritable at September 13, 2020 07:06 PM (w7KSn)

8 I would up buying a vortex razor 5-15x scope for my 6.5. Creedmore Ruger. I set up a target at 325 meters, but found that it wasn't much of a challenge. So I moved the target and was able to get it to about 700 meters with an unobstructed view. Even at that distance, the scope was more than adequate.
I picked the scope because I got a great deal. Scope and a set of rings were $800.00

Posted by: DrC at September 13, 2020 07:07 PM (eii2u)

9 I couldn't get the tablet or screen to cooperate, had the thread up immediately and see it took 4 minutes to get posted.

Posted by: Skip at September 13, 2020 07:07 PM (OjZpE)

10 Ammo is getting very tight around here. Now, one of the local shops had some 9mm and .380 on the shelf, but not for sale. The owner wants at least one box available for each gun he has in stock. Good idea.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at September 13, 2020 07:07 PM (C1Lsn)

11 Spousal unit told me the other day, that with all of the unrest, we ought to get an AR. Maintaining a straight face, I agreed.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 13, 2020 07:07 PM (SxDK9)

12 Good content, Weasel, and gun stuff sell/swap table is a great idea!

Posted by: Eromero at September 13, 2020 07:08 PM (XhWtx)

13 I purchased a bayonet that fits on the bayonett lug of my AR15, just because.


not very usefull but makes the right people vey mad

Posted by: will pick a nic latter at September 13, 2020 07:08 PM (GIeIM)

14 All right, the Sunday Night Gun Thread. Means we made it through another weekend and all good things must end.
I did not hit the range this weekend but my nephew and I are going to look to go next weekend. We are bringing the lead sled because he wants to zero his rifle and I want to tighten my group up.
I have on my scope a parallax adjustment knob that I guess would be a good thing to use next time I try to go to the 200/300 yard range.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 13, 2020 07:09 PM (uyKdz)

15 12 Good content, Weasel, and gun stuff sell/swap table is a great idea!
Posted by: Eromero at September 13, 2020 07:08 PM (XhWtx)
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Thanks! Some kinda damn genius thought up that idea!

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 07:09 PM (MVjcR)

16 I concur with visiting Arlington National Cemetery. And I will go further: the Vietnam Veterans Memorial must be seen to be appreciated.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 13, 2020 07:09 PM (SSJSf)

17 Visibility here is less than 2 city blocks.
Not good range weather.

Posted by: navybrat the not so irritable at September 13, 2020 07:10 PM (w7KSn)

18 I have on my scope a parallax adjustment knob that I guess would be a good thing to use next time I try to go to the 200/300 yard range.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 13, 2020 07:09 PM (uyKdz)
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You will see this material again.

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 07:10 PM (MVjcR)

19 I do like me some stabby things!

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 13, 2020 07:11 PM (NWiLs)

20 I'm looking for a heavy barrelled 300 Win Mag rifle

any reccomendations?

Remington or a Savage?

needs a threaded barrel though for the fun accessories

Posted by: will pick a nic latter at September 13, 2020 07:12 PM (GIeIM)

21 Try again, my bayonet on my musket isn't sharp in the blade due to its being a fun item . Still is pointy enough

Posted by: Skip at September 13, 2020 07:12 PM (OjZpE)

22 Spirit of the Bayonet is with us today

Posted by: vmom 2020 - The Translations of Marcus Aurelius at September 13, 2020 07:13 PM (bo65l)

23 What does the S A stand for?

Stabby Army?

Posted by: navybrat the not so irritable at September 13, 2020 07:06 PM (w7KSn)

Springfield Armory. It was sharp when I bought it, just want to know how to or if I should dull it down.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at September 13, 2020 07:13 PM (0jfkF)

24 Watching the video on parallax

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 13, 2020 07:14 PM (uyKdz)

25 Not good range weather.
Posted by: navybrat

It's a good thing all serious shooting in anger is in good weather.

Posted by: Skip at September 13, 2020 07:14 PM (OjZpE)

26 For the money ($89), a LaRue 2-Stage MBT trigger is hard to beat.

Posted by: PacosMojo at September 13, 2020 07:14 PM (CuKhq)

27 Georgia Arms hasn't had any for sale for months. They did update their page to allow that there is a nationwide primer shortage, there is no way around that. Some of the chems used in making primers probably imported from you know where.

I have long bought ammunition in calibers for firearms I don't necessarily have, not in quantity or anything but it's nice to have. .380 makes sense as they are so compact and easy to carry in warm weather without walking with a list to starboard, but that's one caliber I don't have. I kind of want one.

Posted by: Common Tater at September 13, 2020 07:15 PM (IG9gl)

28 Spirit of the Bayonet is with us today
Posted by: vmom 2020 - The Translations of Marcus Aurelius at September 13, 2020 07:13 PM

^^^ This.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 13, 2020 07:15 PM (rBtIz)

29 KILL! KILL WITH COLD BLUE STEEL!

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 13, 2020 07:15 PM (NWiLs)

30 24 Watching the video on parallax
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 13, 2020 07:14 PM (uyKdz)
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Let me know if it helps!

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 07:15 PM (MVjcR)

31 Howdy fellow gun nuts!! I'm a big fan of Hornady bullets, I shoot their 75 gn 224 HPBT and 150gn 308 BT's. I've got all my new scopes situated and took a couple of 308's and a 223 out to 600 yards Friday. I was 5 or 6" high with the 308's and 6" low with the 223. I should be able to work that out tomorrow or Tues.

Posted by: ck at September 13, 2020 07:15 PM (Gf0Po)

32 >>And I will go further: the Vietnam Veterans Memorial must be seen to be appreciated.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33

I was in DC a number of years ago and had not been to the Memorial. Meetings all day and into the evening every day I was there kept me from getting there. I decided I'd go the last night I was in town and grabbed a cab. It was dark and misting with a bit of fog when I got there. Probably was more moving than if I had made it there on a bright sunny day.

Posted by: Aviator at September 13, 2020 07:16 PM (0FTCx)

33 Block
Smash
Stab

Posted by: vmom 2020 - The Translations of Marcus Aurelius at September 13, 2020 07:16 PM (NanBG)

34 Thanks for the video and explanation about parallax, a concept I've heard about but didn't understand. Now that I'm using scopes more often, any better knowledge of them is helpful.

Posted by: JTB at September 13, 2020 07:16 PM (7EjX1)

35 I wouldn't unsharpen it. It won't increase its value
and you might muck it up further. Use it for your field kit if you are a
reenactor.


Posted by: Kindltot at September 13, 2020 07:05 PM (WyVLE)

Thanks. I probably will just leave it alone. I'm not a reenactor, but it will be mounted on my '03 or M1 if playtime is over....

Posted by: OrangeEnt at September 13, 2020 07:16 PM (0jfkF)

36 No range time, but GUN SHOW!!!
That's how I used to think of it in the past. This one was a little different and I don't know if it's because a different promoter hosted it, or the clientele was different, or just the zeitgeist is different now. No, I repeat NO polymer semi-autos to be found. 2 AKs available, 1 already sold at the dear price of 1200 bucks. Ammo was at bend-over pricing and scarce to boot.
There was a mood of seriousness where instead of shopping for fun or a good deal or looking for something interesting, folks seemed to be intent on gearing up.

For what? Who knows. I think we do, but when people won't even joke about it anymore things are getting serious.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at September 13, 2020 07:16 PM (z79tQ)

37 Oswaith dda, cyd-punchers twll.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 13, 2020 07:17 PM (DMUuz)

38 For my stabby things I use an old fashioned whet stone and some Hoppes oil or whatever light oil you have around. Slow circular motions, don't be a hurry, keep the plane almost flat with the stone.
Test sharpness on your forearm hair.

Posted by: navybrat the not so irritable at September 13, 2020 07:17 PM (w7KSn)

39 34 Thanks for the video and explanation about parallax, a concept I've heard about but didn't understand. Now that I'm using scopes more often, any better knowledge of them is helpful.
Posted by: JTB at September 13, 2020 07:16 PM (7EjX1)
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Parallax is the silent group killer.

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 07:17 PM (MVjcR)

40 38 For my stabby things I use an old fashioned whet stone and some Hoppes oil or whatever light oil you have around. Slow circular motions, don't be a hurry, keep the plane almost flat with the stone.
Test sharpness on your forearm hair.
Posted by: navybrat the not so irritable at September 13, 2020 07:17 PM (w7KSn)

I can't sharpen things on a whetstone to save my life.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 13, 2020 07:17 PM (NWiLs)

41 I wonder if you could just try to foul the edge of the bayonet against some sandpaper?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 13, 2020 07:17 PM (cI3Q7)

42 Wasn't Parallax the name Hal Jordan took when he went evil?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 13, 2020 07:18 PM (cI3Q7)

43 Greetings, y'all! I have the most basic of questions.

1) I bought a semi-Auto shotgun about 4 years ago and have done literally nothing with it. Since I know nothing about real guns other than the first rule ( never point unless you intend to shoot, then only stk), I suspect I need to have someone look at it to make sure everything's in good shape and clean it, and then teach me how to clean it. Should I try to use a gun shop or find a gunsmith for this?

2) What is Horde wisdom on a CCW pistol? I am in horrible physical condition so there won't be any running gunfights, just looking for a few basic defensive shots. I'm thinking something like a Judge for its 410 capabilities.

Posted by: That Special Snowflake - Straight White Pride makes me Special! at September 13, 2020 07:18 PM (t1zLB)

44 Continuing back surgery recovery and hand has kept me from shooting for nearly two years now. Maybe soon. Have a gun story though. Friend has a new neighbor who has boat problems. He brought the friend down to meet me and see if I could help him. Gave him some advice and tips on how to proceed to correct his problem. He got it going and dropped by to thank me for the help. We had a lot of similar interests including guns. In passing I had mentioned a personal affinity for side by side double guns. A few days later he calls and says he has something for me. Thursday, he shows up at the door with a broomstick wrapped in a sheet. Unwrapping it revealed a Parker Bros 12 ga. Exposed hammers and double triggers. S/N search revealed 1886 manufacture date. Missing a butt plate and the action is a tad loose, but overall in pretty decent shape. Tried to refuse it but he said thats why he came to my house so when he left he wasn't taking the Parker with him.

Posted by: Agitator at September 13, 2020 07:19 PM (Z+X6x)

45 you could always dull the blade by rubbing it on the sidewalk ...

Posted by: will pick a nic latter at September 13, 2020 07:19 PM (GIeIM)

46 Quiet gub thread tonight.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 13, 2020 07:19 PM (rBtIz)

47 I've seen some use a grinding wheel, but I don't trust them. If you get off axis you could ruin the knife.

Posted by: navybrat the not so irritable at September 13, 2020 07:20 PM (w7KSn)

48 Sharpen your blade by holding it at the proper angle against the ribs of your enemy

Posted by: vmom 2020 - The Translations of Marcus Aurelius at September 13, 2020 07:20 PM (7Dk4X)

49 Let me know if it helps!

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 07:15 PM (MVjcR)

Oh it did Weasel, it did.I have never adjusted the parallax on the scope before, during or after zeroing my rifle. So I think I have one of the reasons my shots at the 300 yard range were all over the place. I think I had only 1 or 2 shots on paper. It was pathetic.Hence why I want to go back to the 100 yard, verify zero and start using the parallax.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 13, 2020 07:20 PM (uyKdz)

50 There's some hope we'll start to get relief from the smoke here in central WA.
Asthma sucks. My visibility has been under 500 yards for the last few days. It's often down to under 200 yards.
Add in the choking from the smoke fighting in this would suck.
Locate the opposition by the sound of their coughs maybe.

Posted by: Winston, dreg of society at September 13, 2020 07:20 PM (d9Irc)

51 I'll admit, I watched the trigger comparison video just to make sure there wasn't a part where he said "this is a Rise Armament LE145, people who installed this trigger are dumb losers who can't do anything right, but don't let on, so we can say hurtful things about them behind their backs".

Posted by: hogmartin at September 13, 2020 07:21 PM (t+qrx)

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46 Quiet gub thread tonight.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 13, 2020 07:19 PM (rBtIz)
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Yeah - it's making it much easier for me to keep up! I suspect there are still some people watching all the videos.

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 07:21 PM (MVjcR)

53 I wonder if you could just try to foul the edge of the bayonet against some sandpaper?



Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 13, 2020 07:17 PM (cI3Q7)

I don't know, maybe just rub it against a stone or other piece of metal. I just don't want to cut myself trying to attach it in a hurry if it's needed.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at September 13, 2020 07:21 PM (0jfkF)

54 Sharpen your blade by holding it at the proper angle against the ribs of your enemy
Posted by: vmom 2020 - The Translations of Marcus Aurelius at September 13, 2020 07:20 PM (7Dk4X)


...ribs or chitinous carapace.

Posted by: hogmartin at September 13, 2020 07:21 PM (t+qrx)

55 If you want to get cut with a bayonet try the folding bayonet on a Mosin Nagant. Ouch.

Posted by: Eromero at September 13, 2020 07:21 PM (XhWtx)

56 54 Sharpen your blade by holding it at the proper angle against the ribs of your enemy
Posted by: vmom 2020 - The Translations of Marcus Aurelius at September 13, 2020 07:20 PM (7Dk4X)

...ribs or chitinous carapace.
Posted by: hogmartin at September 13, 2020 07:21 PM (t+qrx)

You're Shredder?

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 13, 2020 07:22 PM (NWiLs)

57 Insom, I'm the same way. I'm pretty technical and nerdy about some things, completely OCD about others.

But knife sharpening? Fuggedabout it. I can't sharpen to save my ass. (Yes, I'm aware of all the "systems" and gee gaws and gimcrackks available to make it work.) I am pretty anal about lawnmower blades, a draw file works good there.

I noticed my 1903 has some serious trigger creep. It breaks crisply and cleanly when it does, but there's about a 1/16" travel or whatever to takeup. Is this an easy fix?

I don't dare try to dress it with a stone, I can't sharpen, remember?

Posted by: Common Tater at September 13, 2020 07:23 PM (IG9gl)

58 You're Shredder?
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 13, 2020 07:22 PM

Either that or he's telling us that antifags are really bugs.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 13, 2020 07:23 PM (rBtIz)

59 You're Shredder?
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 13, 2020 07:22 PM (NWiLs)


Xenomorphs don't have ribs.

Posted by: hogmartin at September 13, 2020 07:23 PM (t+qrx)

60 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 13, 2020 07:20 PM (uyKdz)
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I liked it for the visual of the reticle sheet in front of the target. Much fancier than my thumb reticle explanation.

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 07:23 PM (MVjcR)

61 I was on a ROTC Pershing Rifles drill team in collage. We had two teams, one was "Fancy" drill. We had chrome plated 1903's with 16", or maybe it was 18", bayonets attached, We were good, won a lot of trophies at drill meets. More importantly we had a lot of fun, and a female drill team that traveled with us. Good times. Late 1960's.

Posted by: Javems at September 13, 2020 07:24 PM (ofIwF)

62 "How many of you use Hornady ammunition or reloading gear?"

*raises paw*

I like the Critical Defense/Duty loads with flavor crystals in 'em.

Posted by: hogmartin at September 13, 2020 07:24 PM (t+qrx)

63 With a whet stone I've sharpened some kitchen knives of mine so sharp that I've cut myself and didn't even know I'd been cut.
Chopping stuff up, all of a sudden "damn, I'm bleeding!"

Posted by: navybrat the not so irritable at September 13, 2020 07:24 PM (w7KSn)

64 Sharpen your blade by holding it at the proper angle against the ribs of your enemy



Posted by: vmom 2020 - The Translations of Marcus Aurelius at September 13, 2020 07:20 PM (7Dk4X)

Well, I'm trying to decide if it's safer to dull the edge. Hence the question, scrape the edge against a commie?

Posted by: OrangeEnt at September 13, 2020 07:24 PM (0jfkF)

65 I like the Critical Defense/Duty loads with flavor crystals in 'em.
Posted by: hogmartin at September 13, 2020 07:24 PM (t+qrx)

Cannibal Bob approved!

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 13, 2020 07:25 PM (cI3Q7)

66 I'm at Arlington National Cemetery not infrequently and try to stop by
the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier whenever I'm there. If you are ever in
Washington, D.C. you owe it to yourself to visit this Hallowed Ground----
Churchill called it "the American Valhalla."

Some years ago I was doing training in DC and spent the better part of an afternoon at Arlington.

Beware the high pollen count. Makes the eyes water.



Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 13, 2020 07:26 PM (cfSRQ)

67
aparently Remington does not make a bolt rifle in 300 Win Mag

Posted by: will pick a nic latter at September 13, 2020 07:26 PM (GIeIM)

68
Some years ago I was doing training in DC and spent the better part of an afternoon at Arlington.

Beware the high pollen count. Makes the eyes water.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 13, 2020 07:26 PM (cfSRQ)
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It's hard to explain to someone who has never been.

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 07:27 PM (MVjcR)

69
Xenomorphs don't have ribs.

Posted by: hogmartin at September 13, 2020 07:23 PM (t+qrx)

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Nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

Posted by: Corporal Hicks at September 13, 2020 07:27 PM (cfSRQ)

70 I'm going to put a pretty rare rifle up on the Swap Meet table.

1895 Norwegian Krag, 6.5x55, in a vintage Bishop stock. All the metal is correct, and numbers matching.

Those who know, will know what these bring, and arrive with suitably fat wallets.

Even in the aftermarket Bishop sporter stock, a Norwegian Krag is a scarce find out there.

As for the triggers, my precision AR has a Geissle, single-stage curved trigger. It's good, but not the best I've tried. If anyone brings a kitted-up AR with a better trigger, I'll hope to at least dry fire it and make a note or two.


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX


Posted by: Jim at September 13, 2020 07:27 PM (QzJWU)

71 I liked it for the visual of the reticle sheet in front of the target. Much fancier than my thumb reticle explanation.

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 07:23 PM (MVjcR)
Amazing how much information there was in a 5 minute video.I am also going to recheck the ocular focus. I had let my nephew shoot the rifle when were last at the range, never noticed if he might have changed it.All these little things that make the rifle/scope unique to you can be undone if someone adjusts things to make it compatible to them.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 13, 2020 07:27 PM (uyKdz)

72 Goodbye and Godspeed to ibguy. We will miss you here.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at September 13, 2020 07:29 PM (k4dH2)

73 72 Goodbye and Godspeed to ibguy. We will miss you here.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at September 13, 2020 07:29 PM (k4dH2)

So say we all.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 13, 2020 07:29 PM (NWiLs)

74 Great content, as usual, Weasel!

Range report: I shot IDPA yesterday, with much better results than last time.

The fundamental mistake I made last time was trying to be fast.

This time, I tried to focus on fundamentals, and was much more pleased with the results.

Side note: We had one stage, silhouettes at 10 yards, 3 of them in a row. At the buzzer, draw, fire 2 shots to the body, reload, drop to one or both knees, two rounds to the head. (I mentioned to a couple of people, experience shooters like myself, it was a good thing we were only required to get down and shoot, not get down, shoot, then get up and shoot.)

Sounds easy, right?

Hahahaha..

For some reason, first two targets, shot them clean. Last target, I could feel myself fighting the gun. It was amazing and amusing at the same time.

Fun day, went well, no frustration.

Bonus: Talked to the club president, and, once the ammo shortage issue starts easing, I'm going to plan a 2 gun match, which should be a hoot.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at September 13, 2020 07:30 PM (WEBkv)

75 Husband and I have been RVing fulltime for 3 years now. We are a big rig too, a 40 ft class a (bus type) towing a car. We try to stay out of big cities but have seen stupid in even small towns. We will not stop. We will most ever stop. That is asking for trouble. We do travel with guns and both of us have concealed carry permits in 3 states. That covers us in all but the stupid states. I don't want to shoot anyone but I will defend my home, even if it has wheels.

Posted by: Megthered at September 13, 2020 07:30 PM (SM/op)

76 Looks like things are kicking off in Lancaster PA,

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at September 13, 2020 07:30 PM (dKiJG)

77 I'm pretty sure that the Ruger precision rifle comes in 300 win mag as well as 7mm rem mag and 338 Lapua.

Posted by: ck at September 13, 2020 07:30 PM (Gf0Po)

78 My older brother ( marine) sharpened his knives with a whetstone. One could use them to shave. He tried to train me; feel and sound were very important, among other things. All I could do was make the knives duller. It is black magic.

Posted by: EdmundBurkesShade at September 13, 2020 07:31 PM (RJCvt)

79 Its been 30 years since I put my hand on a high school friend's name at the Wall and cried like a baby.

Posted by: Eromero at September 13, 2020 07:31 PM (XhWtx)

80 "If you want to get cut with a bayonet try the folding bayonet on a Mosin Nagant. Ouch."


M-44?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 13, 2020 07:31 PM (3D/fK)

81
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at September 13, 2020 07:30 PM (WEBkv)
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Thanks, blake! Nice report!

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 07:31 PM (MVjcR)

82 To dull I would use a stone right on edge, it won't take much to dull it. For steel edges on materials I have to cut at work that very well might be handled by public I file to round but doubt you need to go that much.

Posted by: Skip at September 13, 2020 07:31 PM (OjZpE)

83 Ruger, thanks


Posted by: will pick a nic latter at September 13, 2020 07:32 PM (GIeIM)

84 I've started shooting Hornady M1 Match loads in my Garand.

Heavier bullet, 168 grain over standard 150 grain ball, and, it seems to give better results.

We shall see.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at September 13, 2020 07:32 PM (WEBkv)

85 Bingo.

Posted by: Joe "Gonnatakem" Biden at September 13, 2020 07:32 PM (nCvnV)

86 Amazing how much information there was in a 5 minute
video.I am also going to recheck the ocular focus. I had let my nephew
shoot the rifle when were last at the range, never noticed if he might
have changed it.All these little things that make the rifle/scope unique
to you can be undone if someone adjusts things to make it compatible to
them.


Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 13, 2020 07:27 PM (uyKdz)

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Never even thought about that because:

1. Mostly I shoot handguns
2. If I shoot rifles, they have iron sights
3. Even if they have optics, Da Army told me to always always always have the same cheek/stock weld.

Even now, I look around nervously when assuming a firing position lest I feel the all-too-familiar tap of that range flag on my skull.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 13, 2020 07:32 PM (cfSRQ)

87 Remington 700 XCR is a bolt action 300 WM

Posted by: Heart of Darkness at September 13, 2020 07:33 PM (nFRLh)

88 78 My older brother ( marine) sharpened his knives with a whetstone. One could use them to shave. He tried to train me; feel and sound were very important, among other things. All I could do was make the knives duller. It is black magic.
Posted by: EdmundBurkesShade at September 13, 2020 07:31 PM (RJCvt)

There's definitely some kind of voodoo or sorcery involved.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 13, 2020 07:33 PM (NWiLs)

89
76 Looks like things are kicking off in Lancaster PA,
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at September 13, 2020 07:30 PM (dKiJG)
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Really? The Central Market there is great. Hope it survives.

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 07:33 PM (MVjcR)

90 We've all noted shortages within the shooting industry. Many guns and ammo for any common caliber are increasingly tough to find. But it goes deeper than I expected.

A friend asked for my help learning to reload, probably this winter. And he just got a S and W 500 magnum for fun at the range. I thought to see about components and tools for the caliber. I didn't anticipate much trouble since 500 magnum ammo isn't in big demand for home or self defense. Wrong. Commercial ammo is hard to find. Some brass is available in limited amounts. Primers are the single biggest problem for reloaders. But I was more surprised at the dearth of reloading presses and die sets. Very sporadic supplies.

He's managed to locate a few hundred rounds of commercial ammo for the 500 magnum. I told him to treat the spent cases like gold.

Posted by: JTB at September 13, 2020 07:33 PM (7EjX1)

91 I have a proposition for any Morons attending the TX MoMe.

I am bringing my great grandfather's Winchester Model 1890 that he carried as a medic in WWI.

It is a sweet-shooting pump action 22 with a 24" octagonal barrel. I can no longer shoot over iron sights, so would like one of the good shooters to see if it is still accurate.

Unfortunately, it only shoots 22 LONGS (not LR). I cannot find any for sale. If someone has some 22 LONGS in their armory, they can shoot this gun to their heart's desire at the MoMe.

Thanks, Pillage Idiot

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at September 13, 2020 07:34 PM (tkyK5)

92 The rain has started in lower Alabama. We are supposed to get 15" of rain over the next 30 hours.

And that's while getting missed by the center of the storm.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 13, 2020 07:34 PM (B4cxB)

93 OK, a few things....

First, on triggers - what is everyone's opinion of an "echo" trigger? It shoots when you pull it and when you let it go. It seems to me I am now required to shoot an even number of rounds - even if the odd-numbered one stopped the baddy. And that seems like a _bad_ thing.

Second, nice bayonet! I picked up two on one of my military moves when I found them in the closet of a rental home. The place was otherwise empty, so I presume they were lost and needed a new home. Given the current state of affairs, I feel the need to dig them out for potential use.

Third: I probably don't have to tell anyone here, but please be quiet and remove your cap (gentlemen) during the Changing of the Guard ceremony. I was amazed by the number of people who were talking and moving around and sticking their phones in front of other people to get a recording of the goings-on. The NCO actually had to bark at the crowd to get them to quiet down. (And, no, it was not limited to kids, and some of the morons were MAGA-sorts. :[ )

Posted by: GWB at September 13, 2020 07:34 PM (1XOEC)

94 I'm sorry to hear about ibguy. Quite the surprise.

RIP.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at September 13, 2020 07:34 PM (WEBkv)

95 And..... in under 100! Woot!

Posted by: GWB at September 13, 2020 07:34 PM (1XOEC)

96 Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at September 13, 2020 07:30 PM (WEBkv)


I like reading your IDPA reports, definitely sounds like fun.And your right about going down and getting back up, currently getting up from kneeling might take me a minute or so. The knees are in non-compliance with what my brain thinks they should be doing.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 13, 2020 07:34 PM (uyKdz)

97 Nice explanation Weasel!

Parallax is like a bad tooth, you don't know you have it till you have it. Then you go WTF? Oh yeah.....Parallax!

This week was old skool's old skool. I took my 1903A3 Smith Corona and 1940 Jap Type I rifles out for a workout.

The SC, made in 1944, is and always has been a great shooter. I rescued her from a pawn shop many years ago, and she always delivers flawlessly. Great rifle.

The Jap Type I rifle is an Italian made rifle for the Jap Navy back when they were allies. It is a Carcano action in a Type 38 type stock. The interesting part is this rifle uses a magazine with the Carcano action, which is what the Eyeties should have done with their bang sticks instead of that clip system which is a royal pain in the failure to feed ass. Chambered in 6.5 Jap, this rifle also just flat out shoots. Soft recoil also, due to the heavy rifle and smaller round. Also, most served aboard ships or were warehoused so they can be found in pristine condition.

Checked both zeroes out to 100 yards and will try to see which one wins out out at 600 yards next week.


Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 13, 2020 07:34 PM (Z+IKu)

98 On the truck hauling the RV (or on any vehicle, really) I would consider an after-market compressed air horn. Or two. Or six.

https://www.harborfreight.com/12-volt-super-loud-air-horn-40134.html

I think the US DoT regulated the loudness allowed in factory supplied automotive horns, but what individuals choose to install (under the First Amendment, if nothing else) is still unrestricted. A very loud noise can be a surprising deterrent to some forms of traffic obstruction.

Posted by: pouncer at September 13, 2020 07:34 PM (Jjybm)

99 To dull I would use a stone right on edge, it won't
take much to dull it. For steel edges on materials I have to cut at work
that very well might be handled by public I file to round but doubt you
need to go that much.

Posted by: Skip at September 13, 2020 07:31 PM (OjZpE)

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The essence of the bayonet is the thrust. The blade is kept sharp only for use around camp.

You can make the blade as dull is you want, and it won't impinge on the thing's primary function. See also triangular or rod bayonets.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 13, 2020 07:35 PM (cfSRQ)

100 2) What is Horde wisdom on a CCW pistol? I am in horrible physical condition so there won't be any running gunfights, just looking for a few basic defensive shots. I'm thinking something like a Judge for its 410 capabilities.
Posted by: That Special Snowflake - Straight White Pride makes me Special! at September 13, 2020 07:18 PM


Since you state CCW as your primary purpose, a Judge (or the S&W Governor, which I own and has dispatched 2 coral snakes and 1 cottonmouth) is probably sub-optimal. It's large, and ballistically is a niche weapon, in my opinion.

If you were to carry it defensively, I'd stoke it with some of the SD .410 speciality loads optimized for the short barrel, or .45 LC.

For CCW, again in my opinion, there are a plethora of better choices. I like the SIG P365 and 1911 Commanders a whole lot. If you shoot Glocks well (I don't), there are a number of choices; I'd personally probably start w/the G43X. A good revolver in .357 Magnum, if you really want a revolver is a fine choice.

Only you can decide your mission parameters. If you have a range that rents weapons in distance, starting there and trying various calibers, models, etc. is a sterling idea.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 13, 2020 07:35 PM (DMUuz)

101 Do not dull blade!

Posted by: banned at September 13, 2020 07:35 PM (7ENd4)

102 ir's like BLM/Antifa is looking for smaller cities and towns to target - and especially those in swing states

Lancaster City had some guy wielding a knife taken down (not killed) by an officer

that was the trigger, there was nothing wrong with the arrest, but I guess you have to let black criminals just knife whomever and not stop them now?!!

anyway not loving this. Lancaster City IS very very liberal tho. maybe this will learn those hipsters and F&M kids?

ha ha I kill me. of course it won't

Posted by: BlackOrchid_j9HX3 at September 13, 2020 07:35 PM (j9HX3)

103 I have a proposition for any Morons attending the TX MoMe.

I am bringing my great grandfather's Winchester Model 1890 that he carried as a medic in WWI.

It is a sweet-shooting pump action 22 with a 24" octagonal barrel. I can no longer shoot over iron sights, so would like one of the good shooters to see if it is still accurate.

Unfortunately, it only shoots 22 LONGS (not LR). I cannot find any for sale. If someone has some 22 LONGS in their armory, they can shoot this gun to their heart's desire at the MoMe.

Thanks, Pillage Idiot
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at September 13, 2020 07:34 PM (tkyK5)
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PI - feel free to post this weekly until you find someone with 22 longs.

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 07:35 PM (MVjcR)

104 I can recommend the Tikka/Sako 300 Win Mag, light, accurate, well made gun.

Posted by: Heart of Darkness at September 13, 2020 07:36 PM (nFRLh)

105 How many of you use Hornady ammunition or reloading gear?
Currently have Hornady Critical Defense in the mags for home defense. Mags are emptied before heading to range.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 13, 2020 07:36 PM (uyKdz)

106 I have a neighbor buddy on The Wall. It's all I can do to even visit it.
He was ROTC, and was killed not even a month in country, by a sniper.
I was only about 11 years old at the time, he had 9 or 10 years on me.
I remember the 2 men in dress uniform coming up to the house, hats in hand.

Posted by: navybrat the not so irritable at September 13, 2020 07:36 PM (w7KSn)

107 Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 13, 2020 07:34 PM (Z+IKu)
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Thanks!

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 07:36 PM (MVjcR)

108 Posted by: Skip at September 13, 2020 07:31 PM (OjZpE)
If that's directed to me about the bayo and not the knife people, thanks. I thought that might be the way, but not sure. I just want to keep from cutting myself. As for commies....

Posted by: OrangeEnt at September 13, 2020 07:37 PM (0jfkF)

109 VIA @ 80- Why yes it's an M44. Two most dangerous parts of the M44 are the bayonet and the buttplate.

Posted by: Eromero at September 13, 2020 07:37 PM (XhWtx)

110
I always go out of my way not to blame the hardware, but I'm starting to think the trigger on my "optics" AR is contributing to my "Minutes of Alton" problem

it's just a stock trigger from a Del-Ton kit

the trigger breaks like partially frozen celery

if I can retrieve it from the bottom of the mill pond, I'm going to tear it out and polish the crap out of it & see if that helps

Posted by: AltonJackson (Click here for the MiMoMe!!!) at September 13, 2020 07:37 PM (ceGvW)

111 Guns!

Yeah, Hornady makes good ammo. Them and CCI.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 13, 2020 07:38 PM (d1uFV)

112 Here's a serious question: Is 7 1/2 birdshot better than nothing for home defense?

A few months ago I bought a Winchester SXP Defender 12-gauge. I like it a lot, especially the 18 inch barrel. First thing I did was get a lesson on how to use it properly at the only place near me that I can legally practice (an indoor range).
I've since been back one more time.

But the thing is, they only allow buckshot, and buckshot is really hard to find. I found 30 rounds of 00 at Wally World yesterday, and bought another 30 rounds of number 4 buckshot at Cabelas, but that was 1 1/2 inch shells, which may or may not work well in my shotgun. (Cabelas gun guy said yes. Interwebs not so sure).

But here's the dilemma. Everyone says buckshot is best for home defense. But if I can't find enough of it, does it makes sense to buy a couple of hundred rounds of, say, 7 1/2 birdshot? It's cheap and plentiful. I can't practice with it though. Is it better than nothing when it comes to stockpiling for home defense?

Posted by: Chris not rock at September 13, 2020 07:38 PM (WO0/g)

113 What is Horde wisdom on a CCW pistol? I am in
horrible physical condition so there won't be any running gunfights,
just looking for a few basic defensive shots. I'm thinking something
like a Judge for its 410 capabilities.

Posted by: That Special Snowflake - Straight White Pride makes me Special! at September 13, 2020 07:18 PM (t1zLB)

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The Judge is overrated. Also expensive.

Better off with a compact .38 revolver if that is your thing.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 13, 2020 07:39 PM (cfSRQ)

114 JTB - like ammo, reloading gear has a fairly stable market and is very capital-intensive to supply, so short-term booms and panics simply empty out the shelves and the pipelines. Not surprised by any of the shortages. Very well stocked up here, but I did look around for fun, and in reloading, seemed this time that primers were the only choke-point. Plenty of powder, and bullets are never really "out" if you have some flexibility in your choice.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 13, 2020 07:39 PM (OTzUX)

115 Out takes is what's needed. Weasel cats and dogs outtakes and maybe some what's up tech side talk on the equipment.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 13, 2020 07:39 PM (zNIcM)

116 I would not dull down any knife. Dull knives are dangerous.

Sell me the bad, sharp thing. I will add it to the pile.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 13, 2020 07:39 PM (d1uFV)

117 Even now, I look around nervously when assuming a
firing position lest I feel the all-too-familiar tap of that range flag
on my skull.


Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 13, 2020 07:32 PM (cfSRQ)
I do not have that worry having never served in the military. And shooting iron sights (of which my rifle has none) at the 200/300 yard range would be next to impossible for me and a waste of ammo.And I finished your book. Was very pleased, have to post a comment on Amazon about it.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 13, 2020 07:40 PM (uyKdz)

118 Better off with a compact .38 revolver if that is your thing.

I know someone with that in their nightstand. Loaded.

Posted by: Infidel at September 13, 2020 07:40 PM (R4aZ2)

119 "Two most dangerous parts of the M44 are the bayonet and the buttplate."

I have been bit by the bayonet on mine several times.

But, I do like the feel of that thing.

And the fireballs around dusk.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 13, 2020 07:40 PM (3D/fK)

120 A very loud noise can be a surprising deterrent to some forms of traffic obstruction.

Posted by: pouncer at September 13, 2020 07:34 PM (Jjybm)

Especially if you can get really close to them before they notice you....

Posted by: OrangeEnt at September 13, 2020 07:41 PM (0jfkF)

121 The slow blade penetrates the shield.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 13, 2020 07:41 PM (NWiLs)

122 I like reading your IDPA reports, definitely sounds like fun.And your right about going down and getting back up, currently getting up from kneeling might take me a minute or so. The knees are in non-compliance with what my brain thinks they should be doing.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 13, 2020 07:34 PM (uyKdz)
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Thank you.

Our club is being sensitive to the ammo shortage, so, we're running few stages with lower round counts.

We've stopped running Steel Challenge, because no one, not even people who reload, can shoot 200+ rounds of ammo at one setting, right now.

Shoot IDPA and Steel challenge, standard setups, that's 300+ rounds a month.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at September 13, 2020 07:41 PM (WEBkv)

123 But here's the dilemma. Everyone says buckshot is best for home defense. But if I can't find enough of it, does it makes sense to buy a couple of hundred rounds of, say, 7 1/2 birdshot? It's cheap and plentiful. I can't practice with it though. Is it better than nothing when it comes to stockpiling for home defense?
Posted by: Chris not rock at September 13, 2020 07:38 PM (WO0/g)

Birdshot is still lethal at 10 yards or less. Probably. It's still in the 'better than nothing' camp.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 13, 2020 07:41 PM (d1uFV)

124 Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 13, 2020 07:39 PM (d1uFV)

Mark! How's the smoke out there?

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 13, 2020 07:41 PM (NWiLs)

125 115 Out takes is what's needed. Weasel cats and dogs outtakes and maybe some what's up tech side talk on the equipment.
Posted by: Braenyard at September 13, 2020 07:39 PM (zNIcM)
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I'm trying to start a list on topics I feel qualified to talk about. Gear reviews are definitely on the list!

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 07:42 PM (MVjcR)

126 Is the PSA 'enhanced polished trigger' worth the $5-10 extra for the lower kits that have it?

Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 13, 2020 07:42 PM (/Dgcm)

127 Just checked. MT is open carry. Need to purchase a holster so I can carry my Kimber when we hike. Have bear spray but not sure how that will work against mountain lion. Friends had one pilfering there neighbors chickens.
We'll be here another 4 weeks so it will come in handy.
And since I missed the food thread. Just had sumptuous bone in pork chops with a compote of apples and a bit of homemade apricot preserves. A fall meal since the Bitterroot valley never made it above 72 today and we had zero sunshine. Hope I can recreate the recipe. Yummmy!

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at September 13, 2020 07:42 PM (DaHCB)

128 But here's the dilemma. Everyone says buckshot is
best for home defense. But if I can't find enough of it, does it makes
sense to buy a couple of hundred rounds of, say, 7 1/2 birdshot? It's
cheap and plentiful. I can't practice with it though. Is it better
than nothing when it comes to stockpiling for home defense?

Posted by: Chris not rock at September 13, 2020 07:38 PM (WO0/g)

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Birdshot at close range will do some serious damage.

As the shortage started to bite, I took some of the heavier birdshot loads to see what they did to water jugs at 7 yards.

It was...explosive.

Just for fun, we set a piece of plywood (maybe an inch thick) in front of the jugs.

Didn't help.

We didn't go as light as 7 1/2, but I'm sure you can still find turkey loads and heavy upland bird, 4-6 range.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 13, 2020 07:42 PM (cfSRQ)

129 Hornady. Only thing I can think of is their "law enforcement" low-recoil 12 ga. 00 buckshot ammo. My standard "home defense" load (along with low-recoil slugs) for the Mossberg 500. Press and dies, Lee. 505 scale. Wait, I think my "comparator" kit, that I use with a calipers to check shoulder dimensions on cases, may be Hornady. And maybe a hand-held primer pocket swager/cleaner thingger.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 13, 2020 07:42 PM (OTzUX)

130 It's hard to explain to someone who has never been.
Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 07:27 PM (MVjcR)


Not sure how to try, you just have to see it.

Posted by: hogmartin at September 13, 2020 07:43 PM (t+qrx)

131 The Judge is overrated. Also expensive.

Better off with a compact .38 revolver if that is your thing.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 13, 2020 07:39 PM (cfSRQ)
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The Judge is popular in AZ. They are in demand with desert dwellers because they are great snake guns.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at September 13, 2020 07:43 PM (WEBkv)

132 118 Better off with a compact .38 revolver if that is your thing.

I know someone with that in their nightstand. Loaded.
Posted by: Infidel at September 13, 2020 07:40 PM (R4aZ2)
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For those not looking to become gun nuts, this is generally my recommendation.

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 07:43 PM (MVjcR)

133 It's hard to explain to someone who has never been.

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 07:27 PM (MVjcR)


I don't think it's necessarily someone who's never been there. But it's particularly hard to someone who has never cottoned to ceremony and its connection to reverence.

Lots of folks nowadays have never participated in a real ceremony. Not even an Order of the Arrow tap-out ceremony. They mock them as superstition (though they seldom use those words, that's the essential element of what they're doing).

Of course, these people also often lack reverence for much of anything. It's part of the nihilism which infects our society (part of the progressive indoctrination).

Posted by: GWB at September 13, 2020 07:43 PM (1XOEC)

134
Shoot IDPA and Steel challenge, standard setups, that's 300+ rounds a month.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at September 13, 2020 07:41 PM


and that's just the matches

when I was shooting USPSA, I was easily burning through 500+ rounds per month (270 - 300-ish for the match, & a couple practice sessions at 100-ish rounds each)

Posted by: AltonJackson (Click here for the MiMoMe!!!) at September 13, 2020 07:44 PM (ceGvW)

135 They are in demand with desert dwellers because they are great snake guns.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at September 13, 2020 07:43 PM (WEBkv)

How does a snake use a gun? They don't have hands.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 13, 2020 07:44 PM (NWiLs)

136
Birdshot is still lethal at 10 yards or less. Probably. It's still in the 'better than nothing' camp.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 13, 2020 07:41 PM (d1uFV)
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Agreed!

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 07:44 PM (MVjcR)

137 Unfortunately, it only shoots 22 LONGS (not LR). I cannot find any for sale. If someone has some 22 LONGS in their armory, they can shoot this gun to their heart's desire at the MoMe.
Thanks, Pillage Idiot
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at September 13, 2020 07:34 PM (tkyK5)

I will check some of the old timers in my AO.

Some have stuff I never even heard of so I will ask around.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 13, 2020 07:45 PM (Z+IKu)

138 I think 54R projectile out an M-44 would be a bad thing to stand in front of, as far as being dangerous goes. I'd take the bayonet or buttplate over that any day. Basically M1/30-06 ballistics. Not just a gentle love tap.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 13, 2020 07:45 PM (OTzUX)

139 Range report, feel free to skip.

Went to the range with the Nurse and LCD. Mostly firing .22 due to ammo shenanigans but I did bring my Glock 20SF because I CAN find 10mm ammo, oddly enough. So been stocking up.

Thanks to LCD, I can confirm that a 10mm Glock will load and fire .40 S&W rounds. So more options, thanks to Tim at MAC on YouTube for the suggestion.

Federal 36 grain .22LR ammo fed and fire with no problems.

Otherwise tried some stress firing. Here's a tip: do NOT spin around 10 times and then try to shoot a target with your eyes closed. Very bad. Stuff goes way, way off target. So need to brainstorm other ideas to simulate being disoriented and half blinded by mace.

That aside, had a great time and I do love making holes in paper.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 13, 2020 07:45 PM (d1uFV)

140 I do not have that worry having never served in the
military. And shooting iron sights (of which my rifle has none) at the
200/300 yard range would be next to impossible for me and a waste of
ammo.And I finished your book. Was very pleased, have to post a comment
on Amazon about it.


Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 13, 2020 07:40 PM (uyKdz)

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Glad you liked the book!

My point stands: consistent cheek/stock weld is your best friend for this. Just like you practice your handgun stance, ensure that you are completely consistent with your rifle as well.

The M-16 being what it is, we used to rest our noses right on the charging handle. (This is of course sure to achieve great comic effect if you try the same approach to a Garand or Enfield. Have tissue handy in case the nose springs a leak.)

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 13, 2020 07:46 PM (cfSRQ)

141 Today was finally the beginning of bi-weekly muzzleloader shoots at one of the local clubs I belong to. Every year, September through March, every other Sunday. Great fun. I decided to use the .32 Crockett Rifle to kick off this season. Got all my stuff ready, set up my possibles bag, got up nice and early...only to discover that it was raining like a cow peeing on a flat rock, and didn't let up all morning. So, I'll now look forward to Sept 27th instead. Took the time today to sort and stack some ammo, and then did a few exercises with a SIRT gun just to get some "fun time" in. Hope everybody had a great week!

Posted by: Pennsyltucky at September 13, 2020 07:46 PM (+3rQF)

142 I hope this takes a little of the mystery out of the concept of parallax and how to adjust for it.

And no math!

Posted by: Braenyard at September 13, 2020 07:46 PM (zNIcM)

143
Is the PSA 'enhanced polished trigger' worth the $5-10 extra for the lower kits that have it?

Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 13, 2020 07:42 PM


I have a PSA complete lower on my short rifle and I think the trigger is just fine as is (it's not the "upgrade / polished" trigger)

Posted by: AltonJackson (Click here for the MiMoMe!!!) at September 13, 2020 07:46 PM (ceGvW)

144 135 They are in demand with desert dwellers because they are great snake guns.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at September 13, 2020 07:43 PM (WEBkv)

How does a snake use a gun? They don't have hands.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 13, 2020 07:44 PM (NWiLs)

No. No. No. They are made with snakes. You gut the interior of the snake and stick the barrel out the mouth.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 13, 2020 07:46 PM (cI3Q7)

145 135 They are in demand with desert dwellers because they are great snake guns.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at September 13, 2020 07:43 PM (WEBkv)

How does a snake use a gun? They don't have hands.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 13, 2020 07:44 PM (NWiLs)

They shoot mind bullets?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 13, 2020 07:46 PM (d1uFV)

146 when I was shooting USPSA, I was easily burning through 500+ rounds per month (270 - 300-ish for the match, & a couple practice sessions at 100-ish rounds each)
Posted by: AltonJackson (Click here for the MiMoMe!!!) at September 13, 2020 07:44 PM (ceGvW)
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I went through better than 6K rounds of 45acp one year, just shooting USPA, IDPA and Steel Challenge on a regular basis.

I still laugh at thinking, way back when, "Two boxes of ammo? How in the world am I ever going to shoot up two boxes of ammo?"

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at September 13, 2020 07:47 PM (WEBkv)

147 The cute chick on Right Side Broadcasting carries, and shoots to kill, she said.
That's hawt.

Trump will be up soon.

Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at September 13, 2020 07:47 PM (ufFY8)

148 I can vouch for the DC Machine barrels that PSA uses, they're great.

Posted by: ck at September 13, 2020 07:47 PM (Gf0Po)

149
And no math!
Posted by: Braenyard at September 13, 2020 07:46 PM (zNIcM)
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Yeah!

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 07:48 PM (MVjcR)

150 144 135 They are in demand with desert dwellers because they are great snake guns.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at September 13, 2020 07:43 PM (WEBkv)

How does a snake use a gun? They don't have hands.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 13, 2020 07:44 PM (NWiLs)

No. No. No. They are made with snakes. You gut the interior of the snake and stick the barrel out the mouth.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 13, 2020 07:46 PM (cI3Q7)

Oh, now I get it. I should market an alligator gun...

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 13, 2020 07:48 PM (NWiLs)

151 Here is a hypothetical.
You are transported back to the Revolutionary War. You are permitted one weapon and let's say 2,000 rounds of ammo.

What do you bring?
Also, you are permitted 2 pieces of gear to bring with you. What do you bring?
I would bring a semi-auto rifle with scope that will let me takes shots out to at least 500 yards along with body armor and night vision goggles.
Again just a hypothetical. (Been watching Turn: Washingtons Spies and it got me thinking really bizarre scenarios).

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 13, 2020 07:48 PM (uyKdz)

152 143
Is the PSA 'enhanced polished trigger' worth the $5-10 extra for the lower kits that have it?

Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 13, 2020 07:42 PM

I have a PSA complete lower on my short rifle and I think the trigger is just fine as is (it's not the "upgrade / polished" trigger)
Posted by: AltonJackson (Click here for the MiMoMe!!!) at September 13, 2020 07:46 PM (ceGvW)

The Nickel Boron trigger is super slick and sweet. I have one PSA lower with it and one without. Stock is fine, as you say, but I do notice the difference.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 13, 2020 07:48 PM (d1uFV)

153 A very loud noise can be a surprising deterrent to some forms of traffic obstruction.

Posted by: pouncer at September 13, 2020 07:34 PM (Jjybm)


Make sure they're mounted at somewhere between 4 foot and 6 foot high. Actually having it at torso/head level makes a difference in loudness, and therefore deterrence factor.

Is it better than nothing when it comes to stockpiling for home defense?

Posted by: Chris not rock at September 13, 2020 07:38 PM (WO0/g)


Absolutely, yes.

Posted by: GWB at September 13, 2020 07:49 PM (1XOEC)

154 How does a snake use a gun? They don't have hands.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 13, 2020 07:44 PM (NWiLs)
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The name is Plissken, Snake Plissken.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at September 13, 2020 07:49 PM (WEBkv)

155 If I am attacking something and get a face full of bird shot, I am pretty sure that would make me perhaps reconsider my circumstances a bit.

Posted by: navybrat the not so irritable at September 13, 2020 07:49 PM (w7KSn)

156 You all are welcome to discuss the rally if you like!

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 07:49 PM (MVjcR)

157 Hogmartin, (at #62)

I am using the Hornady Critical Defense rounds for our personal defense rounds.

However, I don't get your "flavor crystals" joke. Does that refer to the lovely red polymer inserts?

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at September 13, 2020 07:49 PM (tkyK5)

158 Oh, now I get it. I should market an alligator gun...
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 13, 2020 07:48 PM (NWiLs)
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You're going to reenact the "Battle of New Orleans?"

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at September 13, 2020 07:50 PM (WEBkv)

159 Dang, wish the old steel matches I used to do up in Chino were still on - easily around 300 rounds. Making it worth the time, and the drive. My stand-by local non-steel (well, mixed paper and steel) match was becoming too boring (low round count, guy shooting both a handgun and PCC with red-dots sights - ???? what's the point? - so matches were taking even longer). And I won't resume going until all the C19 idiocy is completely dropped.

For those new to reloading or new to panics, remember - primers. That's your item to stock up on when things get back to normal. Always keep a reserve (your call on quantities) of primers of the kinds you use.

Looks like powder might have benefited from the last few panics, which brought in European brands, expanding the supply. Of course it also brought in Euro primers, but those remain the item where demand outstrips supply in a panic.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 13, 2020 07:50 PM (OTzUX)

160 The Judge is overrated. Also expensive.


Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 13, 2020 07:39 PM (cfSRQ)


And also nearly impossible to find in stock, right now. (Except at even more expensive prices.)

Posted by: GWB at September 13, 2020 07:50 PM (1XOEC)

161 Ola, ca va? Following on from the food thread and merging with the gub thread, I just walked in with a nice fresh coney after taking the puppy and a .17hmr for a walk on the range. Doggie put the bunny into a hole after I spotted it thru the scope and started to dig it out, I stood on the mound at the exit run hole and sure enough it ran out the other way, no time to sight, quick scope/ shotgun reflex and bomfp, a nicely gutted bunney. Those .17 HMR rounds sure do blow them up nicely. Pigeons just go "pop".
Think I might have breaded fried coney legs for lunch. Yum.

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at September 13, 2020 07:50 PM (bgJ0E)

162 Oh, now I get it. I should market an alligator gun...

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 13, 2020 07:48 PM (NWiLs)

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I had an alligator-shaped squirt gun when I was little. Fired out of the thing's jaws.

An unexpected feature was the teeth were somewhat sharp, giving it excellent close-in fighting capabilities if the kid was a jerk. Gave a hell of a scratch, it did.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 13, 2020 07:51 PM (cfSRQ)

163 You all are welcome to discuss the rally if you like!

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 07:49 PM (MVjcR)

Wouldn't want to be disrespectful to the Boss here....

Posted by: OrangeEnt at September 13, 2020 07:51 PM (0jfkF)

164 Birdshot is for birds. However birdshot is better than nothing. Get close shoot multiple rounds. Heavy shot is better.

Posted by: USNtakim at September 13, 2020 07:51 PM (0OmEj)

165 124 Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 13, 2020 07:39 PM (d1uFV)

Mark! How's the smoke out there?
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 13, 2020 07:41 PM (NWiLs)

It's very smoky, brother.

Temp dropped about 20 degrees. It's like Nuclear Winter without the fallout.

But supposedly will start improving tonight.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 13, 2020 07:51 PM (d1uFV)

166 Later, Gub enthusiasts!
Great thread, Weasel.

Posted by: navybrat the not so irritable at September 13, 2020 07:52 PM (w7KSn)

167
I went through better than 6K rounds of 45acp one year, just shooting USPA, IDPA and Steel Challenge on a regular basis.

I still laugh at thinking, way back when, "Two boxes of ammo? How in the world am I ever going to shoot up two boxes of ammo?"

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at September 13, 2020 07:47 PM


I think I was just shy of 5,000 rounds the last year I shot USPSA

it always cracks me up, those breathless reports on the news..."police found a hand gun & 100 rounds of ammunition is the car"

I'm like: "100 rounds? That's like thirty minutes of range time"

my standard load-out for a USPSA match was 400 rounds, in case I had to re-shoot a stage due to a timer malfunction or whatever

Posted by: AltonJackson (Click here for the MiMoMe!!!) at September 13, 2020 07:53 PM (ceGvW)

168
Wouldn't want to be disrespectful to the Boss here....
Posted by: OrangeEnt at September 13, 2020 07:51 PM (0jfkF)
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No worries - PDT rallies aren't always on topic!

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 07:53 PM (MVjcR)

169 Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 13, 2020 07:35 PM (DMUuz)

Thanks, Duncanthrax. To my great shame, I have never pulled the trigger on a loaded powder weapon ::shrugs:: Nothing against them, just never had a need and instead pissed away time and money on other things. Trying to make up for that now.

The s/a shotty is for home defense. I'm looking for a pocket weapon for away from home/on the road defense for shit like the traffic stops mentioned. Or when I refuse to raise my fist.

In all honesty, I don't have the physical ability or vision to be a sharpshooter no matter what, and there won't be endless hours at the range. My thought on the judge or similar was the pellet spread reducing (not eliminating) the need for Hawkeye accuracy. I am not entrenched in this thought and am seriously asking for guidance from the Horde for CCW. I can see the potential for a large volume of bullets from a large cap mag instead. I'm trying to be realistic instead of believing a gun and a red dot will instantly make me able to put someone's eye out from across the restaurant.

Posted by: That Special Snowflake - Straight White Pride makes me Special! at September 13, 2020 07:53 PM (t1zLB)

170 It's very smoky, brother.

Temp dropped about 20 degrees. It's like Nuclear Winter without the fallout.

But supposedly will start improving tonight.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 13, 2020 07:51 PM (d1uFV)

Freaky. Hope conditions get better, and soon!

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 13, 2020 07:53 PM (NWiLs)

171 Posted by: navybrat the not so irritable at September 13, 2020 07:52 PM (w7KSn)
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Thanks navybrat! 'Night!

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 07:54 PM (MVjcR)

172 hornet, bee, and any other insecticide are nerve agents....

hell, i used to use them as training aids when i taught NBC classes, back in the day.

they will kill humans just as well as they do insects.

sorry i wasn't around to say something last week.

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 13, 2020 07:54 PM (nJBWa)

173 If I am attacking something and get a face full of
bird shot, I am pretty sure that would make me perhaps reconsider my
circumstances a bit.

Posted by: navybrat the not so irritable at September 13, 2020 07:49 PM (w7KSn)

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Well, for one thing, you won't have a face.

Birdshot at close range is not a "non lethal" or "irritant" weapon. It will cause serious, potentially lethal damage.

Within the confines of a house, it will kill.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 13, 2020 07:54 PM (cfSRQ)

174 Thanks again for a superb gun thread Weasel!
Geissle super three gun in my rifle. Completely satisfied with it. 3.5 single stage break. Almost no reset. Recommend highly

Posted by: Wyoming Lurker at September 13, 2020 07:54 PM (fT38Y)

175 Thanks Hairyback Guy,

22 long wasn't rare ammo prior to the Obama ammo shortage.

I didn't buy any ammo when I should have though, because my father was keeping the gun as a momento.

He now wants the grandkids to shoot it, because he shot it with HIS grandfather.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at September 13, 2020 07:54 PM (tkyK5)

176
No worries - PDT rallies aren't always on topic!
Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 07:53 PM (MVjcR)
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ARE always on topic! ARE!!!!

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 07:54 PM (MVjcR)

177 Did get to the indoor range. 1911 work. I think two mags (one surplus I got from CMP, one Brownell's 8-rounder) have spring issues, had a few failures-to-feed, which haven't occurred in a very long time.

This week is duty day at the outdoor range, which was closed for, but spared by, the big fire last week. Weather's looking very good, only concern is damn members and customers showing up and using the range, when I need to be using it for personal drills ("who left the gate open??").

Since re-opening in May, the range has been the busiest in its history, I think, which is decades. And now we'll have the fall hunting people, too, coming in to zero their rifles. Always a noticeable blip in the fall.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 13, 2020 07:55 PM (OTzUX)

178 How many of you have replaced the stock trigger in your AR15? It's not hard to do! What trigger are you using?

Rise, Geissell, Timney, full mil auto, GMC, BMC ,Rock River. Maybe others, prefer Rise as good and cheap but work.

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at September 13, 2020 07:55 PM (bgJ0E)

179 The Nevada Governor is threatening to pull the business license of the company that is holding the Trump rally.
And, it is 100 degF there.
Donny Two Scoops talks in two hours, and the place is packed, screaming, and having a good time. Pretty funny.



Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at September 13, 2020 07:55 PM (ufFY8)

180 Posted by: Wyoming Lurker at September 13, 2020 07:54 PM (fT38Y)
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Thank you Wyoming Lurker and welcome to the Gun Thread!

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 07:56 PM (MVjcR)

181 Teh Right Side Broadcasting chick had a commercial for iTarget, where you can practice shooting inside you home?
Looked interesting, and ON topic!

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at September 13, 2020 07:56 PM (ufFY8)

182 178 How many of you have replaced the stock trigger in your AR15? It's not hard to do! What trigger are you using?

Rise, Geissell, Timney, full mil auto, GMC, BMC ,Rock River. Maybe others, prefer Rise as good and cheap but work.
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at September 13, 2020 07:55 PM (bgJ0E)

I have a Geisslle in one AR (Spike's Tactical lower). Is nice. Couldn't justify upgrading all the rifles, though.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 13, 2020 07:57 PM (d1uFV)

183 Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at September 13, 2020 07:55 PM (bgJ0E)
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Howdy, bro!

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 07:57 PM (MVjcR)

184
Yesterday, I joined nurse and Mark at the range.

Beyond the fun of being around two great people, the knowledge base is tremendous.

Mark helped me with my pistol grip, after telling him of a chronic problem I have of my shots drifting to the right (I'm a leftie). It was such a simple thing, too, the adjustment of my thumb with my grip. Immediate improvement.

The highlight for me, was that Mark brought his Glock 20 in 10mm. My go to is an XD40, and Mark wanted to try out testing a few .40 rounds in his big gun. Yep, worked perfectly, and cost a whole lot less.

Then, he loaded the mag with full-sized rounds and let me try it. What a great gun! Of course the power is there, but what really surprised me was how balanced it was, and how it easily re-centered back on target after the shot.

Now I want one. And no budget for it. *sigh*

Oh, and nurse was there, too. She tried my .40, and hit the top half of the center red ring, again and again. And she was complaining that it was the top half of the center ring, not the center of the center ring.

Now you understand why Western Washington Woodpeckers have her mugshot on wanted posters.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at September 13, 2020 07:58 PM (sy5kK)

185
isn't iTarget the system what Dan Bongino was hawking for a while?

Posted by: AltonJackson (Click here for the MiMoMe!!!) at September 13, 2020 07:58 PM (ceGvW)

186 and there was another Trump caravan here in The Valley today, like totally!

i even met one of the organizers...

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 13, 2020 07:58 PM (nJBWa)

187 The Nevada Governor is threatening to pull the business license of the company that is holding the Trump rally.
Sizzlepants better hope we don't pull his license in 2022....

Posted by: OrangeEnt at September 13, 2020 07:59 PM (0jfkF)

188 I should market an alligator gun...

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 13, 2020 07:48 PM (NWiLs)


Ohhhhhhh, in 1814 we took a little trip, along with Colonel Jackson down the mighty Mississip....https://bit.ly/2RoUckQ(4th verse)

Posted by: GWB at September 13, 2020 07:59 PM (1XOEC)

189 Bonus points. Birdshot does not penetrate well. Going through multiple walls is not a feature of birdshot. You are not going to shoot through the neighbors house.

Posted by: USNtakim at September 13, 2020 08:00 PM (0OmEj)

190 Home defense rounds depends on who lives there and where. Buckshot can easily penetrate interior walls, putting people, other than your target, at risk. Twelve gage bird shot is perfectly lethal and probably safer for the home folk. If I had a 12 gage Remington 870, within arms length while sleeping, that is what I would use.

Posted by: Javems at September 13, 2020 08:00 PM (ofIwF)

191 They don't like it up 'em!

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 13, 2020 08:00 PM (NWiLs)

192 20
I'm looking for a heavy barrelled 300 Win Mag rifle
any reccomendations?


Remington or a Savage?


needs a threaded barrel though for the fun accessories

Posted by: will pick a nic latter at September 13, 2020 07:12 PM (GIeIM)

I would recommend a Browning A or X bolt with the BOSS feature

Posted by: Jack Schitt at September 13, 2020 08:00 PM (SnLSx)

193 Mark @ 139,

I think that would be good practice with those laser training systems people were discussing on the gun thread a few weeks ago!

Unless of course you spin 180 degrees and put the range masters eye out with the laser!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at September 13, 2020 08:01 PM (tkyK5)

194 155 If I am attacking something and get a face full of bird shot, I am pretty sure that would make me perhaps reconsider my circumstances a bit.
Posted by: navybrat the not so irritable at September 13, 2020 07:49 PM (w7KSn)


If I understand expansion rates - birdshot to the head at home defense distances would leave one with a hamburger head.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 13, 2020 08:01 PM (zNIcM)

195 Birdshot at close range is not a "non lethal" or "irritant" weapon. It will cause serious, potentially lethal damage.

Within the confines of a house, it will kill.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 13, 2020 07:54 PM (cfSRQ)
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#4 birdshot out of a 30" modified will put a hole through a soda can at 10'.

I couldn't believe what I was seeing after shooting the can.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at September 13, 2020 08:01 PM (WEBkv)

196 141 ... " I decided to use the .32 Crockett Rifle to kick off this season."

How do you like the Crockett? I'm really pleased at just how accurate it is. And at 15 to 30 grains of 3F powder, you get a LOT of shots out of a can.

I have a 32 T/C Cherokee I haven't shot yet. They have a great reputation and I hope it lives up to it.

Posted by: JTB at September 13, 2020 08:01 PM (7EjX1)

197 Sizzlepants better hope we don't pull his license in 2022....


Posted by: OrangeEnt at September 13, 2020 07:59 PM (0jfkF)

I would love to see a wave of Democrat Governors being swept out of office by people sick and tired of these pathetic leaders giving cover to the law breakers. I wonder how many people are keeping silent and remembering the actions of their elected "leaders" and are waiting until Election Day to unleash their wrath on them at the voting booth.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 13, 2020 08:02 PM (uyKdz)

198 If every gun was in stock and all ammo and accessories are available:

Get a CZ P-07 and the Kadet adapter
(or CZ 75, though it's larger/heavier).

You can fire .22 ammo through the same gun you'll fire full power 9mm with. I love it so much.

You can also do something similar with the Beretta 92. They make a Beretta M9-22 that fires 15 rounds of .22LR, same size and form factor.

There's also the Glock 19 and Glock 44 pair.

I'm not as big a fan of Advantage Arms adapters. Had too many with sights that literally fell out.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 13, 2020 08:03 PM (d1uFV)

199 Note on the aftermarket AR triggers: if you're wanting to swap out the
stock trigger on an Ruger AR-556, do not get a drop-in type with a
formed outer "wrap". Ruger milled the lowers in such a way that such
triggers will not fit, as the CMC single stage sitting on the shelf here
can attest. No worries, it fits just fine in the PSA lower for an
upcoming build.

Posted by: Bert G at September 13, 2020 08:03 PM (OMsf+)

200 Scuba-Dude @ 151- Read Guns Of The South. Or Chronicles of the 465th(?) which was a short story in Playboy mumble mumbleyears ago.

Posted by: Eromero at September 13, 2020 08:03 PM (XhWtx)

201 How many of you use Hornady ammunition or reloading gear?

I've got a fair amount of TAP on hand. Accurate and runs great. A we bit pricey.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 13, 2020 08:04 PM (EgshT)

202 First, on triggers - what is everyone's opinion of an "echo" trigger? It shoots when you pull it and when you let it go. It seems to me I am now required to shoot an even number of rounds - even if the odd-numbered one stopped the baddy. And that seems like a _bad_ thing.

That also sounds scary if bullet #1 fails... especially if it lodges itself in the barrel. Being required to stack another one behind it doesn't sound fun at all.

Posted by: mikeski at September 13, 2020 08:04 PM (P1f+c)

203 Mark! LCD!

So nice to shoot with you two.
Mark, The spinning and shooting with eyes close. Was, um, well...


LCD, you are too kind. It's so fun to shoot and mingle and HUG people who are on the same side. Bless you both for being so generous.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at September 13, 2020 08:04 PM (U2p+3)

204 wee

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 13, 2020 08:04 PM (EgshT)

205 In all honesty, I don't have the physical ability or vision to be a sharpshooter no matter what, and there won't be endless hours at the range. My thought on the judge or similar was the pellet spread reducing (not eliminating) the need for Hawkeye accuracy. I am not entrenched in this thought and am seriously asking for guidance from the Horde for CCW. I can see the potential for a large volume of bullets from a large cap mag instead. I'm trying to be realistic instead of believing a gun and a red dot will instantly make me able to put someone's eye out from across the restaurant.
Posted by: That Special Snowflake - Straight White Pride makes me Special! at September 13, 2020 07:53 PM


Remember, you are responsible for every projectile your weapon fires. Shotguns are not magical panaceas, no matter what noted firearms expert Joseph R. Biden says.

Given your situation, I'd strongly recommend getting some basic firearms training and experience. There are probably NRA instructors in your area who teach classes at all levels. A good indoor range probably has classes. There are likely CCW training classes, although my recommendation would be to get some basic familiarization/experience.

Shooters are, IME, a very friendly bunch, and willing to help. Your LGS (Local Gun Store) can probably point you in some good directions.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 13, 2020 08:04 PM (DMUuz)

206 Thanks everyone for the comments on birdshot. My guess (and it's only a guess cause I can't use it at any nearby range) is it would spread a lot given an 18 inch barrel.

But given the comments, I think I will buy a couple of hundred rounds if I can't find 6 or lower.

Posted by: Chris not rock at September 13, 2020 08:04 PM (WO0/g)

207 Yes, I've been to the range but I'm just about out of 9mm FMJ. Where can I find more?

Posted by: Yawrate at September 13, 2020 08:04 PM (U2SYP)

208 Dang! Excellent thread Weasel and great subject for discussion. Up until now everyone thought parallax was just two laxes.
Love the stabby thing too.
And today I dance the happy dance of joy as AmmoMan has come through with several mucho rounds of 9mm and my BNL has scored several hundred of 380. War stockages are complete and training ammo is on hand.


Posted by: Diogenes at September 13, 2020 08:04 PM (axyOa)

209 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 13, 2020 07:48 PM (uyKdz)


Body armor is good but the NV use batteries and would be NG after a while.

Also a semi auto might be problematic due to possible failures.

Perhaps a WWI bolt action rifle with a built in magazine would be better and might be repairable with 18th century tools. I think I'd bring a basic reloader kit that reshapes the case and a bullet mold. Then hire yourself out as a sniper. (you would have a scope on that rifle right?)

Posted by: jakee308 at September 13, 2020 08:05 PM (LH/PE)

210 176
No worries - PDT rallies aren't always on topic!
Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 07:53 PM (MVjcR)
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ARE always on topic! ARE!!!!
Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 07:54 PM (MVjcR)

Take a stand and stick to it, man! What are you, some kind of...oh, right.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 13, 2020 08:05 PM (NWiLs)

211 Also, I spent the weekend working at my hidey-hole deep in the piney woods. There was a gun show in the are and I got a report that 9mm HP was going for up to $1.20/rd, with Bl*zer ball ammo going for .60/rd.

Posted by: Bert G at September 13, 2020 08:05 PM (OMsf+)

212 I wonder how many people are keeping silent and
remembering the actions of their elected "leaders" and are waiting until
Election Day to unleash their wrath on them at the voting booth.


Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 13, 2020 08:02 PM (uyKdz)


And President - to you nasty Ds - Trump ought to go all out in 2022 to get these people ousted.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at September 13, 2020 08:05 PM (0jfkF)

213 207 Yes, I've been to the range but I'm just about out of 9mm FMJ. Where can I find more?
Posted by: Yawrate at September 13, 2020 08:04 PM (U2SYP)
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You might try one of the ammo search engines linked above.

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 08:06 PM (MVjcR)

214
Take a stand and stick to it, man! What are you, some kind of...oh, right.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 13, 2020 08:05 PM (NWiLs)
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I'm a victim of autocorrect!

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 08:07 PM (MVjcR)

215
Birdshot is still lethal at 10 yards or less. Probably. It's still in the 'better than nothing' camp.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 13, 2020 07:41 PM (d1uFV)

For the "oh fuck the baddie is in the room " range birdshot is great for home defense, bonus low wall penetration aspect.

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at September 13, 2020 08:07 PM (bgJ0E)

216 Please, PLEASE. Get to the range. All the guns and all the knowledge in the world won't make up for getting out there and pulling the trigger.

Find a buddy. GO.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at September 13, 2020 08:07 PM (U2p+3)

217 193 Mark @ 139,

I think that would be good practice with those laser training systems people were discussing on the gun thread a few weeks ago!

Unless of course you spin 180 degrees and put the range masters eye out with the laser!
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at September 13, 2020 08:01 PM (tkyK5)

I really understimated how off target I'd be after spinning around. IF I had to do it again, I'd have to do a forward roll to reset my brain. But can't do that at an indoor range!

Ah well, no one got hurt and I learned better.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 13, 2020 08:07 PM (d1uFV)

218 Posted by: Diogenes at September 13, 2020 08:04 PM (axyOa)
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Thanks Diogenes!

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 08:08 PM (MVjcR)

219 Buying my first gun. Is it wrong of me to be gravitating to what I think looks good and away from utilitarianism and newbie easy of use? Because Glocks and their plastic striker fired imitators look like tv remotes to me, whereas a 1911 or a Beretta 92 looks COOL.

I know I'm sacrificing value, capacity, cheaper ammo, ease-of-use, and ease-of-maintenance by choosing even a cheap 1911 .45 over a Glock 19 9mm. But .45's are cool.

I also like the CZ P07's and P09's.
I like DA/SA, hammer fired pistols over striker fire, either with a safety or decocker (and the SA 1911's over strikers too.)

Because to tell you the truth, striker fired no-safety pistols kinda give me the creeps. I keep thinking Plaxio Buress leg syndrome.

Posted by: Marcus Gravey at September 13, 2020 08:08 PM (GlmxK)

220 Thanks for your thoughts, all

Posted by: That Special Snowflake - Straight White Pride makes me Special! at September 13, 2020 08:08 PM (t1zLB)

221 213 207 Yes, I've been to the range but I'm just about out of 9mm FMJ. Where can I find more?
Posted by: Yawrate at September 13, 2020 08:04 PM (U2SYP)
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You might try one of the ammo search engines linked above.
Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 08:06 PM (MVjcR)

Preach!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 13, 2020 08:08 PM (d1uFV)

222 To emphasis what it says in the main post, using wasp spray as a self defense tool would be a felony. Says so right on the can.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at September 13, 2020 08:09 PM (Mm4NK)

223 Thanks everyone for the comments on birdshot. My guess (and it's only a guess cause I can't use it at any nearby range) is it would spread a lot given an 18 inch barrel.

But given the comments, I think I will buy a couple of hundred rounds if I can't find 6 or lower.
Posted by: Chris not rock at September 13, 2020 08:04 PM


It's always instructive to pattern your shotgun with a load at various ranges. Always.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 13, 2020 08:10 PM (DMUuz)

224 I agree that birdshot at home defense distances is potentially deadly.

Measure the distance from your shooting spot to a criminal's location at two steps inside you door. (It will probably much closer than you think!)

Go shoot birdshot at that distance into cardboard or plywood. You will be amazed out how far out you have to go to NOT have the damage look like a slug.

At 10', the wad may even go through the hole with the shot. Separation starts getting more significant past that range.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at September 13, 2020 08:10 PM (tkyK5)

225 221 213 207 Yes, I've been to the range but I'm just about out of 9mm FMJ. Where can I find more?
Posted by: Yawrate at September 13, 2020 08:04 PM (U2SYP)
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You might try one of the ammo search engines linked above.
Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 08:06 PM (MVjcR)

Preach!
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 13, 2020 08:08 PM (d1uFV)

Meh. Internet shopping is just a fad. It's no real competition for tried and true brick and mortar stores!

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 13, 2020 08:11 PM (NWiLs)

226 Posted by: That Special Snowflake - Straight White Pride makes me Special! at September 13, 2020 07:53 PM (t1zLB)

That humility is important. It will force you to consider things like *tactics* as well as just whipping out your piece and capping a thug.

I would go with a medium caliber pistol - somewhere between .38 special and .45. At least partly because almost anything in that range is common enough you won't have to (in normal times) search for ammo or learn special tools or techniques. Personally - unless you think you'll be in a mob situation - I would go with a revolver just for the simplicity of it. If you're anticipating mob situations, then definitely go for something a bit more than 7+1 and figure how to carry extra magazines (or extra guns - a "New York reload").

Right now, given the state of things, I would go for a semi-auto in 9mm or 10mm or .40, as some can still be had for a decent price. (Revolvers right now seem to all be in the $850+ range, unless you want a cowboy pistol. And _those_ seem to start at $400+.) Go to your local pawn/gun store and handle a few. then comparison shop online and your local stores. Don't be afraid to buy a HiPoint. Just don't show it to your friends.

Posted by: GWB at September 13, 2020 08:11 PM (1XOEC)

227
Howdy, bro!
Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 07:57 PM (MVjcR)
Gidday, oright?

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at September 13, 2020 08:11 PM (bgJ0E)

228 CCI sells a long sub-sonic.
That bayonet wasn't sharpened on a stone. Can see the file marks.

Posted by: MarkY at September 13, 2020 08:12 PM (N8i9I)

229 222 To emphasis what it says in the main post, using wasp spray as a self defense tool would be a felony. Says so right on the can.
Posted by: AshevilleRobert at September 13, 2020 08:09 PM (Mm4NK)
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More reason not to listen to me!

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 08:12 PM (MVjcR)

230 Weasel, thanks for helping demystify parallax! Goes to show that there is ALWAYS something new to learn in this discipline.

Posted by: WitchDoktor at September 13, 2020 08:12 PM (4k/Uz)

231 Take a stand and stick to it, man! What are you, some kind of...oh, right.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 13, 2020 08:05 PM


Insomniac, you realize WeaselDog has been training with bluebell, no?

And get your stuff packed. It won't be long.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 13, 2020 08:12 PM (DMUuz)

232 I always laugh when Jason Bourne shoots that propane tank from 25 yards away with buckshot and it explodes.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at September 13, 2020 08:13 PM (Mm4NK)

233 That's a damn shame about ibguy. It seems like was on here forever.

And I never met him. And I guess he lived in Dayton, just a couple of hours from me.

You fellers need to let us all know if you're having a MoMe. I keep missing the few that have been near me, here in NW Ohio, and I'm not missing the next one. I'd like meet a few of you peckerwoods before we all cash in.

Posted by: Pastafarian at September 13, 2020 08:13 PM (sgHEm)

234
Gidday, oright?
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at September 13, 2020 08:11 PM (bgJ0E)
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Roight!

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 08:13 PM (MVjcR)

235 Stopped by my favorite firearms haunt yesterday and boy were the pickings slim. Not just ammo but accessories as well. The owner is a friend and we were discussing the situation. He said he's got orders in for everything he's out of and can't even get a commitment from the distributors for approximate delivery dates.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 13, 2020 08:13 PM (EgshT)

236 birdshot, I mean, not buckshot.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at September 13, 2020 08:13 PM (Mm4NK)

237 Chris,

Please modify my comments @ 224.

I have tested my upland bird HUNTING shotguns at various ranges.

I have never shot a short barreled shotgun.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at September 13, 2020 08:13 PM (tkyK5)

238 You might try one of the ammo search engines linked above.
Posted by: Weasel

I've used the first one on that list for ammo and a new pistol. Worked out well

Posted by: Bruce at September 13, 2020 08:13 PM (vd8XM)

239 Posted by: jakee308 at September 13, 2020 08:05 PM (LH/PE)

Good idea. As far as the NVG batteries I will permit myself to bring along a solar powered re-charger. :-)
Good idea about an earlier model bolt action for ease of repair. I would go bolt action but I think I would want a more modern one made of lighter materials.
One problem with reloading would be that there would be no smokeless powder as far as I know. Also the idea is after you go through your ammo you get transported back to your time and you are done.
To make it more interesting is being limited to even less rounds. You would have to make every shot count.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 13, 2020 08:13 PM (uyKdz)

240 230 Weasel, thanks for helping demystify parallax! Goes to show that there is ALWAYS something new to learn in this discipline.

Posted by: WitchDoktor at September 13, 2020 08:12 PM (4k/Uz)
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My pleasure. Glad it helped!

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 08:14 PM (MVjcR)

241 Both my and the wife's ARs sport Geiselle SSA-E triggers. Spendy but hella nice break. Was introduced by a friend who loaned his Geiselle build.
Range time occurred. Worked on getting solid come-ups for both ARs with new standard load. **Looks gloomily at dwindling stash of primers and bullets**
Toured the Hornady bullet factory last year while in town for the 4H National Shooting Championships. They had just finished moving the ammo loading operation to their new plant. 55gr VMAX is one of my common loads.

Posted by: Pat*'s Hubby at September 13, 2020 08:14 PM (2pX/F)

242 I have my FIL's British commando knife he traded for during the Korean war - not the one they gave the Marines in the 50's (which is similarly fashioned but cheaply made) but the one used in WWII but British paratroopers...its a fantastic stabby thing and it fits so smoothly in your hand.

Posted by: Boswell at September 13, 2020 08:15 PM (w2LAm)

243 A pistol is too short for a snake gun, unless you are talking about small snakes. If you want a good snake gun, Yildiz makes a single shot 410 shotgun that folds nearly in half for about $150.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 13, 2020 08:15 PM (SxDK9)

244 Birdshot at close range is not a "non lethal" or "irritant" weapon. It will cause serious, potentially lethal damage.


Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 13, 2020 07:54 PM (cfSRQ)


If you hit a guy in the torso and he's wearing body armor or really thick clothing (winter is coming), maybe not. But you *will* slow him down enough for a better aimed shot to the head (we are talking inside of 20 feet inside a house). Which is guaranteed to slow him down even more.

Posted by: GWB at September 13, 2020 08:15 PM (1XOEC)

245 I have Hornady Critical Defense rounds (.38 Spl, +P) in my Taurus Total Titanium Model 85.

I've tried one practice cylinder of five rather expensive round, and was satisfied with the recoil and point of impact. Which was exactly to point of aim.

Bonus: POI/POA is also exactly the same with the 148 gr. pure lead hollow-based full wadcutter rounds. Vintage Winchester-Western white WW boxes, from the 1980s.

And I'd put those wadcutters damn near as good as the Critical Defense, impact for impact.

They go about the jobs differently, to be sure. But that pure lead slug in the shape of a 55 gal oil drum has a hell of a reputation with long time cops and coroners.

Bonus II. Very low recoil & virtually no muzzle flash with the wadcutters.

I would HIGHLY recommend the wadcutter loading to the "new to this" shooter with their first .38 revolver.


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 13, 2020 08:15 PM (QzJWU)

246 231 Take a stand and stick to it, man! What are you, some kind of...oh, right.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 13, 2020 08:05 PM

Insomniac, you realize WeaselDog has been training with bluebell, no?

And get your stuff packed. It won't be long.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 13, 2020 08:12 PM (DMUuz)

I do not fear death.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 13, 2020 08:15 PM (NWiLs)

247 https://www.cci-ammunition.com/rimfire/cci/22_long/6-29.html

They also have it in regular LR. Huh!

Posted by: MarkY at September 13, 2020 08:15 PM (N8i9I)

248
I am bringing my great grandfather's Winchester Model 1890 that he carried as a medic in WWI.

It is a sweet-shooting pump action 22 with a 24" octagonal barrel. I can no longer shoot over iron sights, so would like one of the good shooters to see if it is still accurate.

Serial question, why would a WW1 Pershing Army medic carry a .22 pump rifle. I in no way doubting your G-Grandfather but that sounds a bit odd to my mi-spec ear. Perhaps the family history to the rifle got a bit sidetracked?

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at September 13, 2020 08:15 PM (bgJ0E)

249
Insomniac, you realize WeaselDog has been training with bluebell, no?

Shiv School?

Posted by: AltonJackson (Click here for the MiMoMe!!!) at September 13, 2020 08:17 PM (ceGvW)

250 That industrial wasp spray is totally horrible.

One time, I was sitting on a lawn chair with a cold beer, and this bee wouldn't stop hounding me. I started complaining about this damn bee. My not-too-bright ex went and found a can with a picture of a wasp being sprayed on it, and just blasted the area with the pressurized jet of petrochemicals and poison. I got a good dousing.

Also, I was on mushrooms, which made the whole experience EVEN MOAR awesome. Fuck that day.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 13, 2020 08:17 PM (x73LH)

251 I am using the Hornady Critical Defense rounds for our personal defense rounds.

However, I don't get your "flavor crystals" joke. Does that refer to the lovely red polymer inserts?
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at September 13, 2020 07:49 PM (tkyK5)


Sorry! I was out in the garage.

Yes, I like the idea of the inserts in the cavities. It makes sense logically, and it does seem to get them to reliably expand in independent tests where others get clogged with test medium (drywall, denim, &c.). Is it a real advantage or a gimmick? I don't know, but since the cost between Hornady Critical Defense/Duty and, say Golden Saber or any other given defense load is negligible, I'll take it.

Posted by: hogmartin at September 13, 2020 08:18 PM (t+qrx)

252 But you *will* slow him down enough for a better
aimed shot to the head (we are talking inside of 20 feet inside a
house). Which is guaranteed to slow him down even more.


Posted by: GWB at September 13, 2020 08:15 PM (1XOEC)

Wouldn't it be better to just shoot the bad guy in his other head right off?

Posted by: OrangeEnt at September 13, 2020 08:18 PM (0jfkF)

253 Here's a more shoot-the-sh!t question:

Why do you all own guns? I just bought my shotgun not because I worry about a home invasion. I bought it because while I still think it is probably not going to happen, I don't want to regret literally having nothing to defend myself, my family, and my property if the sh!t really hits the fan in terms of civil unrest coming to the suburbs.

Posted by: Chris not rock at September 13, 2020 08:18 PM (WO0/g)

254 My brother has our grandfathers WW1 "trench dagger". 14" or so long with a square "punch" type blade and the handle guard has several 1" long spikes on it.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at September 13, 2020 08:18 PM (Mm4NK)

255 Thinking about birdshot, I am reminded of a paper a buddy of mine did for his Masters Thesis. He was a captain in the Army Military Police at the time, and wrote on the efficacy of different weapons in riot conditions. (Who ever said a thesis should be interesting?) Anyway, he found that if the goal is to not be lethal, (something very much on the minds of police today) but to put a stop to a growing threat situation, shoot so that the pellets hit the ground about 20 feet in front of the target. They will bounce into the lower limbs of the targets and cause, ahh, significant discomfort, but not be lethal.
I've always wondered why I would do that as I probably wouldn't, but in today's urban settings, something to keep in mind.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 13, 2020 08:18 PM (axyOa)

256 Weasel, was it just your anniversary?
Happy Anniversary!!!!

Posted by: vmom 2020 - The Translations of Marcus Aurelius at September 13, 2020 08:18 PM (nUhF0)

257 231 Take a stand and stick to it, man! What are you, some kind of...oh, right.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 13, 2020 08:05 PM

Insomniac, you realize WeaselDog has been training with bluebell, no?

And get your stuff packed. It won't be long.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 13, 2020 08:12 PM (DMUuz)

I do not fear death.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 13, 2020 08:15 PM (NWiLs)
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WD and bb - what a combination!

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 08:18 PM (MVjcR)

258 Late to the thread. I was talking to the missus. Now to rad thecomments and catch up!

McGyver, BRB

Posted by: McGyver at September 13, 2020 08:19 PM (rJ1YP)

259 LEGAL QUESTION

Can Morons that DON'T reload bring brass to MoMes?

I would rather give (not sell) my spent brass to our re-loaders, rather than just throw it away.

If the answer is MOSTLY yes, does anyone know the states where the answer is no?

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at September 13, 2020 08:19 PM (tkyK5)

260 Posted by: Marcus Gravey at September 13, 2020 08:08 PM (GlmxK)

Personally I love my Sig Sauer P226. I do not worry about it not having a safety as I always treat it as loaded and never put my finger on the trigger until I am ready to shoot.
Plaxo was an idiot.


Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 13, 2020 08:20 PM (uyKdz)

261 Leftcoast Dawg @ 184- I have never run any .40 S+W through my G20. And I even know a lucky bastage who recently scored 1200 rd of .40 S+W.

Posted by: Eromero at September 13, 2020 08:20 PM (XhWtx)

262 I was instructed in the proper use of the bayonet at Parris Island some 36 years ago. It is a useful tool.

Heeded my own advice and picked up a savage 110 stainless 20" bolt gun package w/ 3-9 Vortex scope from PSA. Nice urban sniper, shoots great.

FYI, if you don't have a can-cannon, you need one.

Posted by: eastofsuez at September 13, 2020 08:20 PM (U2zca)

263 256 Weasel, was it just your anniversary?
Happy Anniversary!!!!
Posted by: vmom 2020 - The Translations of Marcus Aurelius at September 13, 2020 08:18 PM (nUhF0)
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Today! Thanks vmom!

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 08:20 PM (MVjcR)

264 Gee,
Brass is not ammo, and is not a firearm. I do believe that makes it metal.
But don't take legal advice from a guy on the internet.

Posted by: MarkY at September 13, 2020 08:21 PM (N8i9I)

265 Here's a more shoot-the-sh!t question:



Why do you all own guns?Posted by: Chris not rock at September 13, 2020 08:18 PM (WO0/g)

It's all Kim DuToit's fault....


Posted by: OrangeEnt at September 13, 2020 08:21 PM (0jfkF)

266 Sorry, out for dinner with family.

I will finish reading the thread later.

Thanks again Weasel for dropping more gun knowledge on us!

Everyone else have fun.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at September 13, 2020 08:21 PM (tkyK5)

267 Posted by: Pillage Idiot at September 13, 2020 08:21 PM (tkyK5)
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Happy to do it!

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 08:22 PM (MVjcR)

268 Have used Timney and Rise Armament triggers. I love the RE model 240 I put in a SA Saint. Purchased (Optics Planet) due to cheap price and positive reviews. Easy to install, feels and works great. No issues. Would buy again. Don't know the rationale for straight trigger shoes but that is what I bought. First of that style I have owned (that I can remember). Weird at first as I had no physical sense of where finger was on the face as compared to instantaneous feedback with a curved trigger. Have developed to point that is no longer noticeable. Timney has been a standard for decades.

Posted by: Randall H at September 13, 2020 08:22 PM (iViqu)

269 That's a very nice memoriam weasel, thank you

Posted by: San Franpsycho at September 13, 2020 08:22 PM (EZebt)

270 Why do you all own guns?

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To get groceries, specifically meat. Also to eradicate pigs or other undesirable 'fauna' on my property.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 13, 2020 08:23 PM (SxDK9)

271 Also I got a Model 60 for Lady YD. Any recommendations on target/carry .38 Special ammo? I've never personally owned one.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 13, 2020 08:23 PM (x73LH)

272 Doug Marcaida versus Instructor Zero:

https://tinyurl.com/q7laetn

Knife expert versus gun expert.

Excellent video.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at September 13, 2020 08:23 PM (WEBkv)

273 Why do you all own guns?

Seriously?

Posted by: jsg at September 13, 2020 08:23 PM (UmCPR)

274 Posted by: Chris not rock at September 13, 2020 08:18 PM (WO0/g)

I started shooting because it is fun. I did not think about home defense until recently.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 13, 2020 08:23 PM (uyKdz)

275 Posted by: Marcus Gravey at September 13, 2020 08:08 PM (GlmxK)

You trying to start something around here? Sheesh!

Posted by: GWB at September 13, 2020 08:24 PM (1XOEC)

276 Anyway, he found that if the goal is to not be lethal, (something very much on the minds of police today) but to put a stop to a growing threat situation, shoot so that the pellets hit the ground about 20 feet in front of the target. They will bounce into the lower limbs of the targets and cause, ahh, significant discomfort, but not be lethal.
I've always wondered why I would do that as I probably wouldn't, but in today's urban settings, something to keep in mind.
Posted by: Diogenes at September 13, 2020 08:18 PM (axyOa)

As I have commented before, the shape shifting, weather controlling IDF have been known to use suppressed .22 into the arse of the goons controlling riots who are normally positioned in the rear of a riot. They go down , normally less than lethal , remove numbers due to casevac and leave the mob leaderless and unaware.

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at September 13, 2020 08:24 PM (bgJ0E)

277 Here's a more shoot-the-sh!t question:

Why do you all own guns? I just bought my shotgun not because I worry about a home invasion. I bought it because while I still think it is probably not going to happen, I don't want to regret literally having nothing to defend myself, my family, and my property if the sh!t really hits the fan in terms of civil unrest coming to the suburbs.

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I come from a more philosophical place. I have an absolute right to own, carry, and shoot guns. I pursue this because I truly believe that a right not exercised is a right that is lost.

It's also damned fun. I got very much into M1 Garands and with some excellent reference materials I taught myself how to restore them. I don't do as good a job as a professional, but I can take a rack grade and make it better - good enough for me anyway.

This is a great hobby and there are so many great people involved with it. The virtues of discipline, humility, training, practice, and so on are rewarded in an objective way. I can't imagine not being a part of this world, and hopefully my kids will take my example and surpass me.

Posted by: WitchDoktor at September 13, 2020 08:24 PM (4k/Uz)

278 271 Also I got a Model 60 for Lady YD. Any recommendations on target/carry .38 Special ammo? I've never personally owned one.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 13, 2020 08:23 PM (x73LH)

See Jim above.
Hornady and/or full wadcutter rounds.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 13, 2020 08:24 PM (d1uFV)

279 Posted by: Randall H at September 13, 2020 08:22 PM (iViqu)
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I'm a big fan of Timney's products. Great people at the factory, too. When I was in Phoenix for matches I'd always stop in and say hello.

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 08:25 PM (MVjcR)

280 ..........to put a stop to a growing threat situation, shoot
so that the pellets hit the ground about 20 feet in front of the target.
They will bounce into the lower limbs of the targets and cause, ahh,
significant discomfort, but not be lethal.

I've always wondered why I would do that as I probably wouldn't, but in today's urban settings, something to keep in mind.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 13, 2020 08:18 PM (axyOa)


All I remember about riot training back in the day, and I taught it, is men abreast, fixed bayonets, forward thrust position and hut, hut, hut........ one step at a time.

Posted by: Javems at September 13, 2020 08:25 PM (ofIwF)

281 Mark! How's the smoke out there?
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 13, 2020 07:41 PM (NWiLs)

It's very smoky, brother.

Temp dropped about 20 degrees. It's like Nuclear Winter without the fallout.

But supposedly will start improving tonight.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 13, 2020 07:51 PM (d1uFV)

Improving tonight? Good, because the air really sucks right now. And yeah, the air is damned cold. But I refuse to turn on the furnace, instead doffing a sweatshirt. I don't care so much about the global warming stuff, but I refuse to start my gas heating bill until late October if I can. Yeah, I'm cheap.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at September 13, 2020 08:26 PM (sy5kK)

282 They will bounce into the lower limbs of the targets and cause, ahh, significant discomfort, but not be lethal.
I've always wondered why I would do that as I probably wouldn't, but in today's urban settings, something to keep in mind.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 13, 2020 08:18 PM (axyOa)

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One can hardly fathom the legal trouble a citizen would be in if he decided to take this non-lethal route to stop a threat.

If they're worth shooting...

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Y'all better work this sh*t out, because you don't want us to at September 13, 2020 08:27 PM (xVQEQ)

283 Posted by: Chris not rock at September 13, 2020 08:18 PM (WO0/g)
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Mostly to give us something to talk about on the Gun Thread!

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 08:27 PM (MVjcR)

284 273 Why do you all own guns?

Seriously?

Posted by: jsg at September 13, 2020 08:23 PM (UmCPR)

I think I wrote this poorly. I didn't mean "Why do you all own guns, as opposed to not owning them?" More like, "Of the many reasons to own guns, which is yours?"

Posted by: Chris not rock at September 13, 2020 08:27 PM (WO0/g)

285 273
Why do you all own guns?



Seriously?

Posted by: jsg at September 13, 2020 08:23 PM (UmCPR)


Same reason I own music boxes. Because I want to.

Posted by: Javems at September 13, 2020 08:28 PM (ofIwF)

286 284 273 Why do you all own guns?

Seriously?

Posted by: jsg at September 13, 2020 08:23 PM (UmCPR)

I think I wrote this poorly. I didn't mean "Why do you all own guns, as opposed to not owning them?" More like, "Of the many reasons to own guns, which is yours?"
Posted by: Chris not rock at September 13, 2020 08:27 PM (WO0/g)

White fragility.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 13, 2020 08:28 PM (NWiLs)

287 Unsharpening: Stab Antifa until dull.

Posted by: mojojojo at September 13, 2020 08:28 PM (Vz2zu)

288 Chris not rock at 253: Why do you all own guns?"

For me, it's my inner child, who grew up watching westerns, and wants one more single-action revolver. Despite the fact that I have several, I still don't have that Italian reproduction of the 1871 open-top Richards conversion of the Colt in 44 Russian (aka 44 special). I've got it in 38, but not 44.

I just love to admire them, then wipe them off with a silicone-impregnated rag and carefully put them back in my display case. After I die someone's going to really appreciate how I took care of these things.

They're damn fun to shoot too -- particularly with the low-pressure cowboy action competition ammo. But I almost never get out to do that.

Posted by: Pastafarian at September 13, 2020 08:28 PM (sgHEm)

289 In the long run, it's cheaper than renting them.

Posted by: hogmartin at September 13, 2020 08:28 PM (t+qrx)

290 Geissle triggers in everything except KAC firearms. Timney in the 700

Posted by: Marcus T at September 13, 2020 08:29 PM (/Nl5q)

291 I think I wrote this poorly. I didn't mean "Why do you all own guns, as opposed to not owning them?" More like, "Of the many reasons to own guns, which is yours?"
Posted by: Chris not rock at September 13, 2020 08:27 PM (WO0/g)

oh
well, it was cute and on sale...

Posted by: vmom 2020 - The Translations of Marcus Aurelius at September 13, 2020 08:29 PM (nUhF0)

292 Why do you all own guns?

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Serious answer:

Police are insurance agents and can no more protect my family than a trip to the zoo can. They arrive and fill out documents after responding to a phone call. Any crimes that are stopped by them at the moment of action are stopped accidentally.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Y'all better work this sh*t out, because you don't want us to at September 13, 2020 08:29 PM (xVQEQ)

293 'Why do you all own guns?'

Because collecting stamps is boring and stamps are worthless for hunting and self defence.

Posted by: the Spartan at September 13, 2020 08:30 PM (+1cqk)

294 I believe that even spent brass is illegal in some places, if you don't have a permit. I think D.C. and New Jersey are two places I remember hearing about. Of course, check with an authoritative source first.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at September 13, 2020 08:30 PM (Mm4NK)

295 273 Why do you all own guns?

Seriously?
Posted by: jsg


I own a gun because I'm a single woman. I live alone. If a big, angry male tries to break into my home and wants to hurt me, I can stop them.

If anyone wants to attack me or my boys, I will give them trouble.

Fuck you. I'm not a victim.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at September 13, 2020 08:30 PM (U2p+3)

296 229 222 To emphasis what it says in the main post, using wasp spray as a self defense tool would be a felony. Says so right on the can.
Posted by: AshevilleRobert at September 13, 2020 08:09 PM (Mm4NK)
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More reason not to listen to me!
Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 08:12 PM (MVjcR)
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Hey, AshevillRobert, hope things are OK.

On the other hand, if I'm attacked in my garage and the only thing handy is wasp spray.
The assailant will get a face full.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 13, 2020 08:30 PM (zNIcM)

297 I think I wrote this poorly. I didn't mean "Why do you all own guns, as opposed to not owning them?" More like, "Of the many reasons to own guns, which is yours?"
Posted by: Chris not rock at September 13, 2020 08:27 PM (WO0/g)
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At first, self defense. Then, as I got more and more into firearms, I realized there is more to shooting than just "bang."

There is a definite intersection between ability with firearms and philosophy that is fascinating.

Mostly, though, the clang of a round on steel is a joyful sound.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at September 13, 2020 08:30 PM (WEBkv)

298 vmom,
I love you

Posted by: Nurse ratched at September 13, 2020 08:31 PM (U2p+3)

299
Why do you all own guns?

Seriously?

Posted by: jsg at September 13, 2020 08:23 PM




when I'm asked this question in my AO (just outside the wire of The Peoples' Republik of AnnArbor), my standard (rude) response is three-fold:

1. because I can

B. because I want to

&

III. because fcuk you

now, I'm often asked this in an accusatory manner; not in a friendly way, such as you're asking here

so, 1 & B

Posted by: AltonJackson (Click here for the MiMoMe!!!) at September 13, 2020 08:32 PM (ceGvW)

300 I was born with a gun in my hands. Ran with guides out West, hunted for meat and protected myself at home. Been shot at, and shot back.

Since the age of time it's been an implement of freedom. That's why we have a Second Amendment.

Posted by: Marcus T at September 13, 2020 08:32 PM (/Nl5q)

301 298 vmom,
I love you
Posted by: Nurse ratched



****hugs****

Posted by: vmom 2020 - The Translations of Marcus Aurelius at September 13, 2020 08:32 PM (nUhF0)

302 My ex wife never understood the hobby. Always gave me crap about owning "so many" guns. Yeah, I had five guns at the time.

I'd always say "why do you need more than one pair of shoes? Bitch?"

I may have added that last part.

Posted by: WitchDoktor at September 13, 2020 08:32 PM (4k/Uz)

303 I think I wrote this poorly. I didn't mean "Why do you all own guns, as opposed to not owning them?" More like, "Of the many reasons to own guns, which is yours?"
Posted by: Chris not rock at September 13, 2020 08:27 PM (WO0/g)

Nah, it was fine, I was just messing. We always have had guns. Hunted a bit and target shooting is a lot of fun. I keep guns now because bad guys have them and the only thing that stops a shooter is return fire.

Posted by: jsg at September 13, 2020 08:32 PM (UmCPR)

304 ..I really understimated how off target I'd be after spinning around. IF I had to do it again, I'd have to do a forward roll to reset my brain. But can't do that at an indoor range!

Ah well, no one got hurt and I learned better.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 13, 2020 08:07 PM (d1uFV)




If you want to train against eye-irritants, simply fill a clean spray bottle with some Mk1Mod0 Lemonade.

Have a shootin' buddy spray you in your face AND open eyes, approximately 5 seconds before the shot timer sings out.

Yes, it will sting and burn. That's the point of it, it WILL seem to be incapacitating, at first.

But you can train to fight your way through it, and without the long term irritation and possible damage of real pepper spray.

Plus, with another bottle of clean water on hand, you can de-burn your face and eyes in just a few squirts. Try THAT with pepper spray!

Oh, and this drill is far safer than making yourself dizzy on the carnival ride, before 'chootin' commences!



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 13, 2020 08:33 PM (QzJWU)

305 *** PSA ***

Ozark MoMe, Sunday, Oct. 11th. Lake of the Ozarks, MO.

Contact info in left margin, if interested in attending.

Posted by: mnw at September 13, 2020 08:33 PM (Cssks)

306 Greetings:

The purpose of the bayonet is to remind you to bring plenty of ammunition.

My favorite Platoon Sergeant won my heart when he said, "The basic combat load is 22 magazines. We hump 29."

Posted by: 11B40 at September 13, 2020 08:33 PM (evgyj)

307 Unsharpening: Stab Antifa until dull.

Posted by: mojojojo at September 13, 2020 08:28 PM (Vz2zu)

I believe that may have been a discussion point....

Posted by: OrangeEnt at September 13, 2020 08:33 PM (0jfkF)

308 I miss crew served weapons. *sniff*

Posted by: Marcus T at September 13, 2020 08:34 PM (/Nl5q)

309 Why do you all own guns?

Why does anyone question gun ownership?

Posted by: JQ at September 13, 2020 08:34 PM (whOIk)

310 192
20

I'm looking for a heavy barrelled 300 Win Mag rifle

any reccomendations?




Remington or a Savage?




needs a threaded barrel though for the fun accessories



Posted by: will pick a nic latter at September 13, 2020 07:12 PM (GIeIM)

I would recommend a Browning A or X bolt with the BOSS feature




Posted by: Jack Schitt at September 13, 2020 08:00 PM (SnLSx)

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I will second this recommendation. I have an A-Bolt in 7 Mag with a BOSS, and it is absolutely deadly. Being able to tune it in at the bench is a great feature. The BOSS basically works like the vernier thimble on an inch mic. I have a little dope chart on the stock that tells me where to set it depending on the load I'm using. You can get great results if you put in the time.

Posted by: Pennsyltucky at September 13, 2020 08:34 PM (+3rQF)

311 I own a gun because I'm a single woman. I live alone. If a big, angry male tries to break into my home and wants to hurt me, I can stop them.

If anyone wants to attack me or my boys, I will give them trouble.

Fuck you. I'm not a victim.
Posted by: Nurse ratched at September 13, 2020 08:30 PM (U2p+3)

Damn straight.

Posted by: jsg at September 13, 2020 08:34 PM (UmCPR)

312 Why do I own guns? At first I was intrigued by handguns and wanted to go shooting. After a while I bought a rifle, had zero idea what I was doing (some will say a condition that persists to this day) and decided to take shooting lessons. Next thing you know, here I am.

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 08:34 PM (MVjcR)

313 Guns get lonely if you do not give them friends to talk to in the rack or safe. It's a mental health issue, so I am trying my best to keep them all happy. A lonely gun is a crime.

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at September 13, 2020 08:35 PM (bgJ0E)

314

***PSA, part the second***

The 2020 Michigan MoMe is Saturday at Noon(-ish) in New Hudson, Michigan. The sign-up link (https://mimome.stoatnet.org) is in the sidebar on the front page and in my nick; there's also an e-mail link, if you prefer to sign up that way. If you haven't signed up yet, please do so today.

Posted by: AltonJackson (Click here for the MiMoMe!!!) at September 13, 2020 08:35 PM (ceGvW)

315 Y's D. as noted by others already, Hornady Critical Defense is good, I think, in that caliber (38sp). I forgot I have some of that too, for a Model 60 with a CrimsonTrace laser grip on it (or for the Model 66, or the Colt King Cobra, or the Colt Magnum Carry).

I have a buffet of self-defense ammo I bought a few years ago (Gold Dot, various Winchester LE types, some Buffalo Bore and Double Tap), but for now I've switched over to Federal HST for the 9mm (and have a bunch of the 38sp HST also).

Though I think it's not all that important, nor makes that much difference, I did try to buy the stuff with the best ballistic test results. All stored in perfect conditions, so I don't anticipate buying more of that sort of ammo ever again.

I make my own loads with similar recoil for practice, and occasionally shoot the real stuff.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 13, 2020 08:36 PM (OTzUX)

316 Hey, AshevillRobert, hope things are OK.



On the other hand, if I'm attacked in my garage and the only thing handy is wasp spray.

The assailant will get a face full.

Posted by: Braenyard

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I'll find out exactly how OK I am tomorrow morning. I have a CT scan scheduled that'll tell us how the chemo is doing on the small spots on my liver and lungs.

And yes, if it's the only thing I have available, I won't give a damn what the can says.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at September 13, 2020 08:36 PM (Mm4NK)

317 From the beginning the surviving tribe has had superior weapons, tactics, and strategy.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 13, 2020 08:36 PM (zNIcM)

318 Posted by: AshevilleRobert at September 13, 2020 08:36 PM (Mm4NK)

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Good luck friend. I'll be praying.

Posted by: WitchDoktor at September 13, 2020 08:36 PM (4k/Uz)

319 Weasel, excellent gun thread as usual. :-)
Eventually I will write up review of Handgun 102 at the Sig Sauer Academy.Sadly I am a lazy assed SOB, who knows when I will get to it. LOL

Going to be counting down the days soon to the TXMoMe.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 13, 2020 08:37 PM (uyKdz)

320 309 Why do you all own guns?

Why does anyone question gun ownership?

Posted by: JQ at September 13, 2020 08:34 PM (whOIk)

It's perfectly fine to answer "It's my right and I don't need to justify it" because you don't. And if you want to add a "fuck you" for good measure, that's fine too.

But lots of people have different reasons for doing lots of things. Some people have cars because they get you from A to B and some people get a lot of enjoyment from cars, and both are fine reasons.

People have all sorts of reasons for getting into things, and I wanted to get a pulse of where people were coming from here.

Posted by: Chris not rock at September 13, 2020 08:38 PM (WO0/g)

321 I have some guns just because I wanted them, and I have some because I needed them. And then I have some guns because I inherited them and I never sell a gun.

Posted by: f'd at September 13, 2020 08:38 PM (+1cqk)

322 I own guns because cops aren't required to save my sorry ass. It's OK if they do, but I can't rely on it.

Posted by: atttila the reliable at September 13, 2020 08:38 PM (w7KSn)

323 AshevilleRobert, my prayers are with you

Posted by: vmom 2020 - The Translations of Marcus Aurelius at September 13, 2020 08:38 PM (nUhF0)

324 Going to be counting down the days soon to the TXMoMe.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 13, 2020 08:37 PM (uyKdz)
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Brother, that's a countdown that starts for me on my home from a TXMoMe!

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 08:38 PM (MVjcR)

325 Hey, just checking, did that box of 380 I had at the NoVaMoMe get to it's intended recipient?

McGyver, back to catching up

Posted by: McGyver at September 13, 2020 08:38 PM (rJ1YP)

326 112 Here's a serious question: Is 7 1/2 birdshot better than nothing for home defense?



When I was 11 years old, never touched a shotgun (a .22 single shot was my depth of knowledge), Dad took me out to the woods that had been recently logged and fallen logs and stumps were everywhere.

So dad loaded up his Remington 870 with some bird shot, light target loads, and gave it to me.

I had shot it a few times already, and being a big skinny guy already, knew the kick that was coming, no problem.

He told me to shoot the stump, about 50 feet away.

The hole in the bark was well over a foot, and the bark was mostly gone. The wood was really chewed up.

That was how Dad educated people, through demonstration.

My last 2 loads in my Mossberg 500 with the 18.5 inch barrel are 7 1/2 birdshot. If I need it, it means a bad guy is in the house, and I want the spray as wide as fast as possible.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at September 13, 2020 08:38 PM (sy5kK)

327 Heh heh heh.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 13, 2020 08:38 PM (NWiLs)

328 I own firearms because of the military and history and well military history.

I often wondered as a wee lad what rifles and gear the other grunts thru the ages had to hump to and fro as they went into battle like I did.

From there it became a search to answers as why this rifle? Why this cartridge? Why these types of sights? etc, etc. Why did this nation go this way with their rifles and that nation over there did this? Only to come to the same conclusions. Fascinating.

The more you learn, the more there is to learn.

The history of firearms is the history of the world.

Plus I own firearms to protect me from democrats.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 13, 2020 08:39 PM (Z+IKu)

329 Why do you all own guns?

Posted by: Chris not rock at September 13, 2020 08:18 PM (WO0/g)


I bought my first because I wanted to. I enjoyed shooting growing up and just wanted to recreate that. I was living on a farm basically, in the great nowhere land of far-northern Maine. I also bought my Franchi SPAS-12 because it was _cool_.

Later (but still up there) I bought a .303 rifle because it was very inexpensive and I thought I might take up hunting.

I also bought a Maadi AKM (not in Maine) because it was fun to shoot.

Out of the military several years later, living in the Seattle area, all my household goods still stored away (including firearms), with a wife and 6yo son, and some very bad guys escape from a prison in Colorado (and one place people thought they might be headed was PNW). I realized I had no way of protecting my family. I had *just* seen a Mossberg 12ga (with 2 barrels!) in the sports store next to our mailbox place for a really good price. I went in and bought it the next day.

I have purchased a firearm to actually carry in recent times. My son has too (he ain't 6yo no more). I bought an AR15 kit because I wanted one (for all of the reasons stated above), and thought putting it together would help me understand my firearms better. (I was right.)

So, all of the above!

Posted by: GWB at September 13, 2020 08:39 PM (1XOEC)

330 I see someone mentioned a heavy barrel 300 WinMag.

Might I suggest the following?

BN36X3

"BN" stands for "Bad News"

https://tinyurl.com/yyf46yzr

AR pattern 300 WinMag.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at September 13, 2020 08:39 PM (WEBkv)

331 When I bought my first guns, it was because they were neat, and that way I'd have something on hand in case of... well, a home invasion, I guess. I didn't have a concealed carry permit, nor a holster, and I'd have to find them and load them before I used them.

Also, my ideas about when deadly force is and is not permissible and how an attack might happen were basically hilarious at best and legally and physically dangerous at worst. So, it's a really good thing I didn't have to use them, or find myself in a situation where I thought I had to use them.

Not sure where I was going with that, except to say that if you intend to have guns at home for defense, knowing the four rules is not enough. It's really a good idea to get some legal and practical instruction as well.

Posted by: hogmartin at September 13, 2020 08:39 PM (t+qrx)

332 Posted by: McGyver at September 13, 2020 08:38 PM (rJ1YP)
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On it's way last I heard. Thanks again!!

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 08:40 PM (MVjcR)

333 The Mosin bayonets are triangular. Not real sharp on the edges, kinda sharp on the tip, and long. A 91/30 is definitely a pig-sticker with a bayonet mounted. A late 19th/early20th century thing, mostly, but impressive.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 13, 2020 08:40 PM (OTzUX)

334 a better question is why does one not own a gun?

Posted by: will pick a nic latter at September 13, 2020 08:40 PM (GIeIM)

335 Brother, that's a countdown that starts for me on my home from a TXMoMe!

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 08:38 PM (MVjcR)

Ahhh, but you have BEEN to one, this will be my first!.

Going to be cutting the foam to the Pelican case next week. If I can fit the spotting scope in there I am doing it.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 13, 2020 08:40 PM (uyKdz)

336 They will bounce into the lower limbs of the targets and cause

Posted by: Diogenes at September 13, 2020 08:18 PM (axyOa)


I think that is dangerously dependent on the surface on which they are standing. Asphalt not as good as concrete. Carpet definitely not as good as concrete.

Posted by: GWB at September 13, 2020 08:40 PM (1XOEC)

337 Hey, just checking, did that box of 380 I had at the NoVaMoMe get to it's intended recipient?

McGyver, back to catching up
Posted by: McGyver at September 13, 2020 08:38 PM (rJ1YP)


Update: I have heard back from the intended recipient and am awaiting an address. Once I've got that, it's on the way.

Posted by: hogmartin at September 13, 2020 08:41 PM (t+qrx)

338 And I love the part where the fatherless human garbage illiterate high school dropout circus midget freakshow who shot the two cops in LA (and who prompted the NPR reporters to block the emergency room access and yell I HOPE THEY DIE) will be the reason I should not be allowed to own a gun.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Y'all better work this sh*t out, because you don't want us to at September 13, 2020 08:41 PM (xVQEQ)

339 Chris not rock @253- Why do we own guns? Well....most of us live in America as free Americans, we are legally qualified to own guns, and we can afford them, and last of all......We are endowed with certain unalienable rights. I have a particular fondness for my 1st Amendment and 2nd Amendment rights, I have served this country for 22 years and will continue to honor my Oath. That's the short answer to your question. The long answer can be had at the TxMoMe in October.

Posted by: Eromero at September 13, 2020 08:42 PM (XhWtx)

340 Ahhh, but you have BEEN to one, this will be my first!.

Going to be cutting the foam to the Pelican case next week. If I can fit the spotting scope in there I am doing it.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 13, 2020 08:40 PM (uyKdz)
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It's funner than you can imagine! If you can get the spotting scope in there with room to spare I'd say go for it!

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 08:42 PM (MVjcR)

341 'a better question is why does one not own a gun?'

You'll put your eye out!

Posted by: an evil elf at September 13, 2020 08:42 PM (+1cqk)

342 259
Brass fired is basically trash to the powers that be. Give it to your reloading friends

Posted by: Wyoming Lurker at September 13, 2020 08:43 PM (fT38Y)

343 As concerns .38 special rounds, it depends on what the shooter can handle, recoil wise. Plus-P stuff is great, but not if the shooter is scared of it. The point is to put a bullet (or two, or more) in the perp. Hits matter.

Posted by: eastofsuez at September 13, 2020 08:43 PM (U2zca)

344 Why do you all own guns?


Because it's my sacred duty as a God-fearing, America-loving patriot.

Posted by: Bert G at September 13, 2020 08:43 PM (OMsf+)

345 Quick range report:
Fired a single cylinder / magazine each from the J-frame, the P290, and two of the 1911's that have gone through the new lubrication regimen, with uniformly satisfactory results, that is to say all in the 8-ring of the big silhouette targets.
I think the trigger action is improved on every one of them, amazing what a better oil can do !

miscellany:
- chilly all last week, jacket weather, so I went to OWB carry of various weapons, and I gotta say that a whole long day with a 1911 on my hip has got me really appreciating the Airweight 637 !
- had to haul a bunch of assorted crap to the dump, and rather than deadhead back home I hauled two trailer loads of broken concrete for the new backstop berm. Today we started laying some of it down to outline the scope of the work ... jeesh that's gonna be a lot of dirt and rubble to move, but how sweet it's gonna be when finished !

- Happy Anniversary, Weasel !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at September 13, 2020 08:43 PM (Oi/63)

346 "can-cannon"?

Posted by: GWB at September 13, 2020 08:43 PM (1XOEC)

347 If you use a bayonet, remember to follow thru.
They teach this in Marines.
You don't just stick someone and be done with.
While inside, inflict maximum damage.
Twist, thrust, twist again.
Lather and repeat.

Posted by: atttila the reliable at September 13, 2020 08:44 PM (w7KSn)

348 Update: I have heard back from the intended recipient and am awaiting an address. Once I've got that, it's on the way.
Posted by: hogmartin at September 13, 2020 08:41 PM (t+qrx)
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Thanks hogmartin!

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 08:44 PM (MVjcR)

349 Why do you all own guns?

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Addendum:

I've posted it before, but if you come into my home uninvited I'm not leaving, and I expect the same courtesy from you.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Y'all better work this sh*t out, because you don't want us to at September 13, 2020 08:44 PM (xVQEQ)

350 a better question is why does one not own a gun?
Posted by: will pick a nic latter at September 13, 2020 08:40 PM (GIeIM)


Look, man, you find me a Mateba Model 6 Unica in .357 for less than $2.5k and I'll own it.

Posted by: hogmartin at September 13, 2020 08:44 PM (t+qrx)

351 Thanks all for the comments on the PSA 'enhanced / polished' trigger. About the cheapest trigger upgrade I have seen.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 13, 2020 08:45 PM (/Dgcm)

352 - Happy Anniversary, Weasel !
Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at September 13, 2020 08:43 PM (Oi/63)
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Thanks!

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 08:45 PM (MVjcR)

353 203 Mark! LCD!

So nice to shoot with you two.
Mark, The spinning and shooting with eyes close. Was, um, well...


I'm actually laughing my ass off right now, replaying the entire thing in my mind.......

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at September 13, 2020 08:45 PM (sy5kK)

354 With 10mm and .30 carbine being some of the few rounds I could buy in bulk for un-inflated prices, I've been looking at getting some revolvers in those calibers.

With a little (or a lot) of luck, might be able to pick up some on auction for less than a fortune.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 13, 2020 08:45 PM (d1uFV)

355 I own a gun because I'm a single woman. I live alone. If a big, angry male tries to break into my home and wants to hurt me, I can stop them.

If anyone wants to attack me or my boys, I will give them trouble.

Fuck you. I'm not a victim.
Posted by: Nurse ratched at September 13, 2020 08:30 PM (U2p+3)



Somehow being self-reliant and formidable doesn't qualify as "feminism" these days.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 13, 2020 08:45 PM (wPVhA)

356 Isn't it illegal in NJ to have expended loose in a car?

Posted by: f'd at September 13, 2020 08:45 PM (+1cqk)

357 While inside, inflict maximum damage.
Twist, thrust, twist again.
Lather and repeat.
Posted by: atttila the reliable at September 13, 2020 08:44 PM (w7KSn)
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Nah, after stabbing, pull trigger to help release the bayonet.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at September 13, 2020 08:45 PM (WEBkv)

358 344 Why do you all own guns?


Because it's my sacred duty as a God-fearing, America-loving patriot.
Posted by: Bert G at September 13, 2020 08:43 PM (OMsf+)

This is the closest reason to why I bought one. I felt like a freeloader not owning one.

Posted by: Chris not rock at September 13, 2020 08:45 PM (WO0/g)

359 The 878 cleaned up nicely this afternoon. Put 9 rounds through it with no issues. Weighty.

Posted by: jsg at September 13, 2020 08:45 PM (UmCPR)

360 expended "brass" that is.

Posted by: f'd at September 13, 2020 08:46 PM (+1cqk)

361 MarkY @ 264- Get Mrs. E to tell you about the time TSA found 1 (ONE!) spent .38 special casing in her carryon lubggage at DFW.

Posted by: Eromero at September 13, 2020 08:46 PM (XhWtx)

362 Why do you all own guns?


For the Burning Times, and all the fun I have getting ready for them.

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at September 13, 2020 08:46 PM (bgJ0E)

363 Lamentations:
I sure wish I could afford a M1. And a M1 carbine.

Posted by: GWB at September 13, 2020 08:46 PM (1XOEC)

364 GD Internet! No way to comment till now. Brings up a subject. When everything goes tits up, how do we communicate. Ham radio? Smoke signals? Tin cans?

Posted by: RI Red at September 13, 2020 08:46 PM (S/149)

365 Nj has (or at least had) an exception to their hollowpoint law for competitors going to and from sanctioned matches.

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 08:46 PM (MVjcR)

366 A very loud noise can be a surprising deterrent to some forms of traffic obstruction.

Posted by: pouncer at September 13, 2020 07:34 PM (Jjybm)


Make sure they're mounted at somewhere between 4 foot and 6 foot high. Actually having it at torso/head level makes a difference in loudness, and therefore deterrence factor.

Is it better than nothing when it comes to stockpiling for home defense?

Posted by: Chris not rock at September 13, 2020 07:38 PM (WO0/g)


Absolutely, yes.
Posted by: GWB at September 13, 2020 07:49 PM (1XOEC)



Propane cannon may be a nice upgrade too.

Rotating laser level with after market high energy laser might be dazzling.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 13, 2020 08:47 PM (/Dgcm)

367 I own a firearm because see my nic

Posted by: San Franpsycho at September 13, 2020 08:47 PM (EZebt)

368 I also have a smorgasbord of SD ammo in .45. Lots of Hydra-shok, Speer GD, CCI Lawman.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at September 13, 2020 08:47 PM (Mm4NK)

369 Nj has (or at least had) an exception to their hollowpoint law for competitors going to and from sanctioned matches.
Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 08:46 PM (MVjcR)


I love how they toss a crumb and expect you to be grateful.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 13, 2020 08:48 PM (wPVhA)

370 Chris not rock, a perfectly interesting question, and as you can see, an infinite variety of answers.

As an RO at a big outdoor range, one of the continuous sources of fun is that almost every time on duty, I see something new (to me). The variety of disciplines and sub-hobbies within the firearms hobby is yuuuge.

I recall a few months back, at one time on one of the smaller ranges, we had a Navy SEAL at one end helping a friend's son get gun-wise (and also working on his M1A, which he keeps trying to take on deployments), next to them, an older guy sighting in some very cool older Smith & Wessons, and introducing his wife to shooting, and at the other end, two youngish Russian immigrants, one of whom had a DP-28 (Soviet WWII light machine gun) he'd welded back together (semi-auto) he was testing.

I'm more of a military historical type myself. But also enjoy the lever rifle I got, and love shooting steel with revolvers.

Understandably, most non-gun people probably have little idea how much there is to the gun hobby, when you take in all of its diverse parts.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 13, 2020 08:48 PM (OTzUX)

371 neverenoughcaffeine yes, we are open carry. Some places. Also, concealed carry. Some places. Read a bit more, it's a PITA, but there it is. IF you are in a National Park (Glacier) DO NOT OPEN CARRY. The feds will bust you. And Bear Spray? Yes. Even for the kitterkats. ALL my Scouts, 14 and up MUST carry Bear Spray and know how to use it. NONE of my Scouts under 14 are allowed to have Bear Spray. Ask me why.

McGyver, back to catching up

Posted by: McGyver at September 13, 2020 08:48 PM (rJ1YP)

372 Posted by: RI Red at September 13, 2020 08:46 PM (S/149)
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Ham radio. I know we have some Hams here - anyone want to host a Net?

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 08:48 PM (MVjcR)

373 264 Gee,
Brass is not ammo, and is not a firearm. I do believe that makes it metal.
But don't take legal advice from a guy on the internet.
Posted by: MarkY at September 13, 2020 08:21 PM (N8i9I)


IIRC, there have been some arrests for people pulled over, and the law found a spent casing under the seat. NJ? MA?

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at September 13, 2020 08:49 PM (sy5kK)

374 Well, I'm off.

Great thread, as I said, Sir Weasel!

I look forward to meeting you in a few weeks!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at September 13, 2020 08:50 PM (WEBkv)

375 253
Here's a more shoot-the-sh!t question:



Why do you all own guns? I just bought my shotgun not because I
worry about a home invasion. I bought it because while I still think
it is probably not going to happen, I don't want to regret literally
having nothing to defend myself, my family, and my property if the sh!t
really hits the fan in terms of civil unrest coming to the suburbs.

Posted by: Chris not rock at September 13, 2020 08:18 PM (WO0/g)

---------------------------

All of the above and then some. It's been a thing my entire life. I shoot, I hunt, I reload, I teach, I compete, I collect, and I train for the (hopefully nonexistent) eventuality that I may have to defend myself or my liberty. From flintlock to AR, count me in.
As I always tell my rifle students: Part of being a good rifleman is being a good American, and part of being a good American is being a good rifleman. The two can't be totally separated.

Posted by: Pennsyltucky at September 13, 2020 08:50 PM (+3rQF)

376 More and more I am looking at where I am going to live when I finally retire in another 10 years. I find myself looking at Montgomery County, TX quite a bit. Can get a real nice place and property for a price that I can afford.
Amazing what 300k to 500k can get me. Of course once I make the move how much will my firearm expenditures will go up once I am in a Free State?

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 13, 2020 08:50 PM (uyKdz)

377 McGyver, thanks. Will ask my retired Marine friend if Ravalli county is open carry. His dog is named Gunny for a reason.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at September 13, 2020 08:50 PM (zBlHQ)

378 I look forward to meeting you in a few weeks!
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at September 13, 2020 08:50 PM (WEBkv)
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Thanks! Same here, amigo!

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 08:51 PM (MVjcR)

379 MarkY @ 264- Get Mrs. E to tell you about the time TSA found 1 (ONE!) spent .38 special casing in her carryon lubggage at DFW.
Posted by: Eromero

My son brought expended .50 cal casings and a seabag full of (expended) brass from a Mark 45 5" deck gun when he came home on leave.

Why yes, he did have a number of serious conversations with the TSA agents. Why do you ask?

Posted by: Tonypete at September 13, 2020 08:51 PM (Rvt88)

380 Propane cannon may be a nice upgrade too.



Rotating laser level with after market high energy laser might be dazzling.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 13, 2020 08:47 PM (/Dgcm)

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Plasma rifle in the 40-watt range.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 13, 2020 08:52 PM (cfSRQ)

381 364 GD Internet! No way to comment till now. Brings up a subject. When everything goes tits up, how do we communicate. Ham radio? Smoke signals? Tin cans?
Posted by: RI Red at September 13, 2020 08:46 PM (S/149)

Text messaging should be resilient. Make local moron friends, go to MoMe's, swap phone numbers.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 13, 2020 08:52 PM (d1uFV)

382 GWB, remain vigilant for CMP M1s (the big ones). Haven't checked lately, but when they have Service or Field grades, we're talking well under $1K, delivered. Depending on your location and market, also remain vigilant for local private sales.

Most of my gunz are used (almost all of them), they're all great and in fine condition, and paid premium for none, and practically stole a few others. One of my basic pitches to new gun people at the range (I realize you're not new to gunz) - for both guns and reloading, get familiar with the local gun forum, and others, and learn about what you want to buy. Bargains come along at some point (probably less true right now, but it'll get back to that).

Posted by: rhomboid at September 13, 2020 08:53 PM (OTzUX)

383 Why do you all own guns?

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I don't.

I'm a former gun owner.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 13, 2020 08:53 PM (cfSRQ)

384 MarkY @ 264- Get Mrs. E to tell you about the time TSA found 1 (ONE!) spent .38 special casing in her carryon lubggage at DFW.

Posted by: Eromero

-

Sadly, that's probably the vast majority of what we've been "saved" from over the last 20 years.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Y'all better work this sh*t out, because you don't want us to at September 13, 2020 08:53 PM (xVQEQ)

385 Praying for you, Asheville Robert.

Posted by: Eromero at September 13, 2020 08:55 PM (XhWtx)

386 ..Ham radio. I know we have some Hams here - anyone want to host a Net?

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 08:48 PM (MVjcR)



No, but I've been wanting to make the investment and install a rig above the gunsmithing bench. But it's a wild, wooly world all it's own, every bit as much of a dive into detail as the shooting world.

I'd want to buy equipment "good enough" to buy it once and not have to replace it later.

So, if someone wants to do a Ham for Dummies column, I'll volunteer to be an honorary Crash Test Dummy.

Because I can Dummy with the best of 'em!



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX


Posted by: Jim at September 13, 2020 08:55 PM (QzJWU)

387 Text messaging should be resilient. Make local moron friends, go to MoMe's, swap phone numbers.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September


Ummmm. Mark, that would mean you would have to pay attention to your phone.


:-)

Posted by: Nurse ratched at September 13, 2020 08:56 PM (U2p+3)

388 Calling it a night.
Weasel, thanks again. It's great ending the weekend with the gun thread.
Going to be going back to the office on Tuesdays and Thursdays this week.But after I get back from the TXMoMe in October I am going to have to do the stupid 14 day self quarantine again.
Lord, why is NYS and NYC run by such demented A-holes?

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 13, 2020 08:56 PM (uyKdz)

389
glad to see those crazy kids at RSBN are picking up some sponsors...they've been working on a shoestring budget for over five years now...they do a pretty good job for a bunch of college kids

Posted by: AltonJackson (Click here for the MiMoMe!!!) at September 13, 2020 08:56 PM (4jlc3)

390 387 Text messaging should be resilient. Make local moron friends, go to MoMe's, swap phone numbers.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September


Ummmm. Mark, that would mean you would have to pay attention to your phone.


:-)
Posted by: Nurse ratched at September 13, 2020 08:56 PM (U2p+3)

Quiet, you.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 13, 2020 08:57 PM (d1uFV)

391 GD Internet! No way to comment till now. Brings up a subject. When
everything goes tits up, how do we communicate. Ham radio? Smoke
signals? Tin cans?

Posted by: RI Red
--------------------

If things get REAL bad, very close to my house is one of the taller mountains in the area, that has several towers on it. One can see everything for miles and miles from there and even a low power radio would work great.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at September 13, 2020 08:57 PM (Mm4NK)

392 So, if someone wants to do a Ham for Dummies column, I'll volunteer to be an honorary Crash Test Dummy.
Because I can Dummy with the best of 'em!
Posted by: Jim at September 13, 2020 08:55 PM (QzJWU)


http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=369098

Posted by: hogmartin at September 13, 2020 08:57 PM (t+qrx)

393 When things go tits up
there will be no cell phone, there will be no internet.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 13, 2020 08:57 PM (5TmO/)

394 It's perfectly fine to answer "It's my right and I don't need to justify it" because you don't. And if you want to add a "fuck you" for good measure, that's fine too.


Well, I didn't want to be so rude to a stranger, but OK what you said, just about covers it!

Posted by: JQ at September 13, 2020 08:57 PM (whOIk)

395
So, if someone wants to do a Ham for Dummies column, I'll volunteer to be an honorary Crash Test Dummy.

Because I can Dummy with the best of 'em!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 13, 2020 08:55 PM


me, too

Posted by: AltonJackson (Click here for the MiMoMe!!!) at September 13, 2020 08:58 PM (4jlc3)

396 And AshevilleRobert,
I pray for you.
If you want to say hi, contact Mark in his nic.


Kick ass and take names!

Posted by: Nurse ratched at September 13, 2020 08:58 PM (U2p+3)

397 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 13, 2020 08:56 PM (uyKdz)
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Thank you! It's my pleasure and great to have you here each week.

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 08:59 PM (MVjcR)

398 Part of being a good rifleman is being a good
American, and part of being a good American is being a good rifleman.


Posted by: Pennsyltucky at September 13, 2020 08:50 PM (+3rQF)


Absolutely, Pennsyltucky!

Posted by: GWB at September 13, 2020 08:59 PM (1XOEC)

399 Dang hogmartin, that was fast.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Y'all better work this sh*t out, because you don't want us to at September 13, 2020 08:59 PM (xVQEQ)

400 Why do I own guns?

Because I can.

Posted by: Weaning is hard at September 13, 2020 09:00 PM (2DOZq)

401
http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=369098

Posted by: hogmartin at September 13, 2020 08:57 PM


thx, hogmartin

Posted by: AltonJackson (Click here for the MiMoMe!!!) at September 13, 2020 09:00 PM (4jlc3)

402 A pleasure spending this afternoon with all of you. Come to my state when you can. #1 gun ownership in the USA. We are all friendly.
You have been invited. See you soon

Posted by: Wyoming Lurker at September 13, 2020 09:02 PM (fT38Y)

403
now can you do a "Programming the baefeng UV-5R for Dummies"

so far, I can get the NOAA weather channels...

Posted by: AltonJackson (Click here for the MiMoMe!!!) at September 13, 2020 09:02 PM (4jlc3)

404 I bought my first rifle when I was 12, my first pistol when I was 16. A heck of a lot of years went by and I bought a pistol for CC, which lead to a rifle for target work, which led to another rifle and then I went "Gee, what about - " and now I am completely at odds with a liberal "love conquers all" type. Why do I own a rifle or pistol? - Because they are interesting and unique and are a lot better for defense than a phone.

Posted by: Panhandler at September 13, 2020 09:02 PM (S/rwf)

405 389
glad to see those crazy kids at RSBN are picking up some sponsors...they've been working on a shoestring budget for over five years now...they do a pretty good job for a bunch of college kids
Posted by: AltonJackson (Click here for the MiMoMe!!!) at September 13, 2020 08:56 PM (4jlc3)


Oh, thanks, Trump's on his way.

Weasel, It's been great as always.
Thanks

Posted by: Braenyard at September 13, 2020 09:02 PM (5TmO/)

406 Thank you for the forum, weasel.

And thank you to the morons who put up with my dumb questions. And especially to Mark who has been a mentor and a friend.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at September 13, 2020 09:02 PM (U2p+3)

407 Eromero
Special attention, eh?
But is driving the same?
Also, can't it just be shipped with no restrictions?
A lot of brass can go in a flat rate Postal box.

Posted by: MarkY at September 13, 2020 09:02 PM (N8i9I)

408 If you're really super serious about owning a rig right now, even if you aren't licensed and don't know how to use it and don't know amateur radio etiquette, but want to have something around for when it all goes down:

Go buy a Yaesu 857d, a 30A switching power supply, a Buddipole antenna and tripod, and fifty feet of coax feed line.

Then get licensed and read the manual before you plug the radio in. And listen to the bands for a week or two before you plug the mic in.

Posted by: hogmartin at September 13, 2020 09:03 PM (t+qrx)

409 Posted by: Wyoming Lurker at September 13, 2020 09:02 PM (fT38Y)
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Thanks and please stop by again!

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 09:03 PM (MVjcR)

410 Hogmartin.. thanks, and I've bookmarked the page. It WILL be studied, and soon!



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 13, 2020 09:03 PM (QzJWU)

411 we're talking well under $1K, delivered.





Posted by: rhomboid at September 13, 2020 08:53 PM (OTzUX)


Yeah, and that's out of my reach right now. It seems it's always just out of my reach.
But, yeah, I should pay off some debts and put some money aside for that.

Posted by: GWB at September 13, 2020 09:03 PM (1XOEC)

412 Thanks for the Gun Thread Weasel!
I've been using Hornady American Gunner 140gn BTHP in my 6.5 Creedmoor and it shoots accurate, lot to lot out to 1400.
Pretty inexpensive ammo for the accuracy. It shoots as well as my expensive Norma Match ammo.

Posted by: DBCooper at September 13, 2020 09:03 PM (X/NON)

413 To emphasis what it says in the main post, using wasp spray as a self defense tool would be a felony. Says so right on the can.
Posted by: AshevilleRobert at September 13, 2020 08:09 PM (Mm4NK)


Hand sanitizer however high in alcohol it is would be deemed a civil service to stop the spread of COVID.

Too bad about his buddy lighting up a molotov when free hand sanitizer is dispensed to all around him.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 13, 2020 09:04 PM (/Dgcm)

414 386
..Ham radio. I know we have some Hams here - anyone want to host a Net?



Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 08:48 PM (MVjcR)





No, but I've been wanting to make the investment and install a rig
above the gunsmithing bench. But it's a wild, wooly world all it's own,
every bit as much of a dive into detail as the shooting world.



I'd want to buy equipment "good enough" to buy it once and not have to replace it later.



So, if someone wants to do a Ham for Dummies column, I'll volunteer to be an honorary Crash Test Dummy.



Because I can Dummy with the best of 'em!







Jim

Sunk New Dawn

Galveston, TX







Posted by: Jim at September 13, 2020 08:55 PM (QzJWU)

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I would be totally down for a Moron HF net, or even DMR. Also, for those considering ham radio for emergency communications, I can't urge you strongly enough to get your license now and start actually using the gear. It isn't like turning on a CB, and you don't want to be trying to learn it at the same time you really need it.

Jim NSD: I teach a ham radio prep course a couple times per year (I'm a volunteer examiner). If you'd like a copy of the "getting started" package I give everyone, let me know and I'll email it to you or get you a Dropbox link. Email in my nic.

Posted by: Pennsyltucky at September 13, 2020 09:05 PM (+3rQF)

415 now can you do a "Programming the baefeng UV-5R for Dummies"

so far, I can get the NOAA weather channels...
Posted by: AltonJackson (Click here for the MiMoMe!!!) at September 13, 2020 09:02 PM (4jlc3)


I have a programming cable around here somewhere, remind me before the μMIMoMe and I'll bring it

Posted by: hogmartin at September 13, 2020 09:05 PM (t+qrx)

416 Posted by: Braenyard at September 13, 2020 09:02 PM (5TmO/)
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Thank you, Braenyard!

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 09:05 PM (MVjcR)

417 Then get licensed and read the manual before you plug the radio in.

Posted by: hogmartin at September 13, 2020 09:03 PM (t+qrx)



Do you need to be licensed to listen?

Posted by: GWB at September 13, 2020 09:05 PM (1XOEC)

418 Marcus Gravey -- a 357 wheel gun will take 38, 38+p, etc. and there are very few failures on a wheel gun. I mean, the damn thing would have to have the cylinder fall out (could happen) and you can up grade to the 357 ammo for carry. I suggest trying it before you carry with it. Surprised the heck out of the wife, and she loaded it

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at September 13, 2020 09:05 PM (rJ1YP)

419 On aftermarket AR triggers, I too suggest the Larue MBT-2.

It's a Geissele G2s for $80 vs $165+ or $75 each if you get three.

If you want a single stage trigger, the PSA EPT is an equivalent to the Geissele/ALG Defense ALG Combat Trigger (ACT) for less (And it could be the exact same parts).

The Hiperfire EDT Designated Marksman is also a nice single stage trigger.

Posted by: Ratus at September 13, 2020 09:06 PM (alnT2)

420 371 neverenoughcaffeine yes, we are open carry. Some places. Also, concealed carry. Some places. Read a bit more, it's a PITA, but there it is. IF you are in a National Park (Glacier) DO NOT OPEN CARRY.

National Park = no guns

National Forest = guns usually OK, ask local FS Ranger first. And if you are respectful (like any Moron is), they will usually direct you to the best shooting spots, because they like respectful people, too.


Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at September 13, 2020 09:06 PM (sy5kK)

421 Posted by: Nurse ratched at September 13, 2020 09:02 PM (U2p+3)
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My pleasure, Nurse. Always nice to have you here!

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 09:06 PM (MVjcR)

422 Kind of related - the city manager of Lynwood (location of the ambush attack on sheriffs yesterday) put "Chickens Come Home to Roost" on his social media.

In CA the city manager is often the actual chief executive, who runs city govt., and is often paid a small fortune (I have no idea about particulars in this case).

But, jeebus.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 13, 2020 09:07 PM (OTzUX)

423 Then get licensed and read the manual before you
plug the radio in. And listen to the bands for a week or two before you
plug the mic in.

Posted by: hogmartin at September 13, 2020 09:03 PM


^^ This. It drives me up the wall to hear someone say, "I'll get the radio, but I'm not going to get a license because I won't need it when TSHTF." Maybe not, but you can't operate it before then without it and as Jim pointed out, it's as detailed as guns. Buying a radio and throwing it in closet "until I need it" is the functional equivalent of buying a gun, storing it, and never firing it "until I need it".

Posted by: Bert G at September 13, 2020 09:07 PM (OMsf+)

424 Dynamite Gun Thread, Weasel.

(!) idea

'bout five minutes till ONT, every Sunday, post a video file of the famous Weasel Dog Sign-Off.

Never can have too much Weasel Dog.

ooowwwwWWWWWWoooo!!



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 13, 2020 09:07 PM (QzJWU)

425 Posted by: DBCooper at September 13, 2020 09:03 PM (X/NON)
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Howdy, DBCooper! My pleasure!

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 09:07 PM (MVjcR)

426 Ah Weasel, you forgot to mention National Ammo Day is Saturday....

Posted by: OrangeEnt at September 13, 2020 09:07 PM (0jfkF)

427 Also, for those considering ham radio for emergency communications, I can't urge you strongly enough to get your license now and start actually using the gear. It isn't like turning on a CB, and you don't want to be trying to learn it at the same time you really need it.
Posted by: Pennsyltucky at September 13, 2020 09:05 PM (+3rQF)


Not just the tech but the on-air etiquette too, volunteering to pass traffic on a VHF radiogram net or something like that is good practice.

Posted by: hogmartin at September 13, 2020 09:07 PM (t+qrx)

428 Go buy a Yaesu 857d, a 30A switching power supply, a Buddipole antenna and tripod, and fifty feet of coax feed line.

Then get licensed and read the manual before you plug the radio in. And listen to the bands for a week or two before you plug the mic in.
Posted by: hogmartin at September 13, 2020 09:03 PM (t+qrx)

This is not Moron Way

Posted by: jsg at September 13, 2020 09:08 PM (UmCPR)

429 Go buy a Yaesu 857d, a 30A switching power supply, a Buddipole antenna and tripod, and fifty feet of coax feed line.

Then get licensed and read the manual before you plug the radio in. And listen to the bands for a week or two before you plug the mic in.

-

In all seriousness: For those of us who read and research and doubt and research some more, that makes things a whole lot easier. Thanks.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Y'all better work this sh*t out, because you don't want us to at September 13, 2020 09:08 PM (xVQEQ)

430 Great, now the gun thread is the ham thread.

Mmm, ham....

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 13, 2020 09:09 PM (cfSRQ)

431 I would be totally down for a Moron HF net, or even
DMR.



Posted by: Pennsyltucky at September 13, 2020 09:05 PM


Which reminds me: on the TGIF DMR network, Talk Group 556 is the ARFCOM TG.

Posted by: Bert G at September 13, 2020 09:10 PM (OMsf+)

432 Do you need to be licensed to listen?
Posted by: GWB at September 13, 2020 09:05 PM (1XOEC)


You absolutely do not need a license to own the radio and listen to it, and that is an excellent way to get a feel for how people use it. 2m/70cm dual band radios are cheap and there is a LOT of traffic on local VHF/UHF repeaters compared to the long-range stuff.

Posted by: hogmartin at September 13, 2020 09:10 PM (t+qrx)

433 Gun thread almost over but I saw interesting show confirming Brandon Lee was accidentally killed and it was some type of conspiracy. Seems they used a squib round on another scene which unbeknownst to the prop guy that the bullet got stuck in the barrel. For the scene where Lee was killed they used the same gun and put blanks in it. The blank was powerful enough to push the stuck bullet out with enough force /fps to hit and penetrate Lee.

Posted by: Weaning is hard at September 13, 2020 09:10 PM (2DOZq)

434
Posted by: Jim at September 13, 2020 09:07 PM (QzJWU)
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HA! I'll try and get you all some new WeaselDog and Little Joe footage.

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 09:11 PM (MVjcR)

435 Kind of related - the city manager of Lynwood (location of the ambush attack on sheriffs yesterday) put "Chickens Come Home to Roost" on his social media.

-

o_O

Does he truly not realize what his position is and does? I'm guessing he's not immune to chickens, and here he is celebrating the foul play.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Y'all better work this sh*t out, because you don't want us to at September 13, 2020 09:11 PM (xVQEQ)

436 431
I would be totally down for a Moron HF net, or even

DMR.





Posted by: Pennsyltucky at September 13, 2020 09:05 PM

Which reminds me: on the TGIF DMR network, Talk Group 556 is the ARFCOM TG.


Posted by: Bert G at September 13, 2020 09:10 PM (OMsf+)

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Thank you. I will definitely check that out. Is it a fairly active talkgroup? Last few months, a lot of DMR TGs are starting to sound like local 2m repeaters - empty and silent.

Posted by: Pennsyltucky at September 13, 2020 09:11 PM (+3rQF)

437 Pillage Idiot

If you are still here, I sent you a coordinating email.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 13, 2020 09:11 PM (hyuyC)

438 Ah Weasel, you forgot to mention National Ammo Day is Saturday....
Posted by: OrangeEnt at September 13, 2020 09:07 PM (0jfkF)
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EVERY day is ammo day!

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 09:12 PM (MVjcR)

439 Gol durn it, November 19 is National Ammo Day....

Posted by: OrangeEnt at September 13, 2020 09:12 PM (0jfkF)

440 MarkY @ 407- I don't reload but I do save brass, and I do believe brass is shipped all the time, just like ammo is.

Posted by: Eromero at September 13, 2020 09:13 PM (XhWtx)

441 Any day you can actually *find* ammo, is now "ammo day!"

Posted by: JQ at September 13, 2020 09:13 PM (whOIk)

442 I'm late, here, too. Crap.

Anyway, Weasel, what about maybe a thread on building ARs? Anybody with a Gh0st Gunner want to talk about milling 80% lowers?

Posted by: Baron Munchausen at September 13, 2020 09:13 PM (C1NyB)

443 Weasel, that video on parallax was lucid and most helpful. Thank you.

Pillage Idiot may be available to help you set up things on Thursday. Can I tell him to coordinate with you directly at your gun thread address?

Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 13, 2020 09:13 PM (hyuyC)

444 Thank you. I will definitely check that out. Is it a
fairly active talkgroup? Last few months, a lot of DMR TGs are starting
to sound like local 2m repeaters - empty and silent.


Posted by: Pennsyltucky at September 13, 2020 09:11 PM


I don't monitor it consistently (I'm usually over on TG 1789) but I think they now do a weekly net. https://tinyurl.com/yxbylrmm

Posted by: Bert G at September 13, 2020 09:14 PM (OMsf+)

445 "Go buy a Yaesu 857d"

$1200! I have one of those $50 USB SDR thingys. Can I just use that to lurk?

Posted by: f'd at September 13, 2020 09:14 PM (+1cqk)

446 Anyway, Weasel, what about maybe a thread on building ARs? Anybody with a Gh0st Gunner want to talk about milling 80% lowers?

Posted by: Baron Munchausen at September 13, 2020 09:13 PM (C1NyB)
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An AR build is in the queue, I swear!

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 09:14 PM (MVjcR)

447 Is penguin dude getting sent to the ether?

Posted by: browndog at September 13, 2020 09:14 PM (BgMrQ)

448 418 Marcus Gravey -- a 357 wheel gun will take 38, 38+p, etc. and there are very few failures on a wheel gun. I mean, the damn thing would have to have the cylinder fall out (could happen) and you can up grade to the 357 ammo for carry. I suggest trying it before you carry with it. Surprised the heck out of the wife, and she loaded it

McGyver, over
Posted by: McGyver at


If you shoot .38 through your .357 make DAMN SURE you thoroughly clean it after the .38. I have a .357 S&W. It will not fire it I don't spit shine her after .38.

Just my experience.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at September 13, 2020 09:15 PM (U2p+3)

449 445 "Go buy a Yaesu 857d"

$1200! I have one of those $50 USB SDR thingys. Can I just use that to lurk?
Posted by: f'd at September 13, 2020 09:14 PM (+1cqk)

Is that the Yaesu, joy of man's desiring?

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 13, 2020 09:15 PM (NWiLs)

450 Chris not rock - You play golf? use the same club for everything? didn't think so. Same with firearms. 30.06 for long distance deer and elk. 45-70 brush gun for close in elk and bear. 380 in my pocket for antifa? you choose based on the expected threat

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at September 13, 2020 09:15 PM (rJ1YP)

451 LCD. Thanks. We were in a National Forest today. Only carried bear spray.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at September 13, 2020 09:16 PM (zBlHQ)

452
If you shoot .38 through your .357 make DAMN
SURE you thoroughly clean it after the .38. I have a .357 SW.
It will not fire it I don't spit shine her after .38.



Just my experience.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at September 13, 2020 09:15 PM (U2p+3)

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This is strange to me. What model is it?

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 13, 2020 09:17 PM (cfSRQ)

453 I'm serious you all - if someone wants to run it I can post the Net details here in secret code or something.

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 09:17 PM (MVjcR)

454 Hey, nice to see the Old Guard mentioned. I was in A Co 1991-1994. Wasn't fat then. Any other old guard soldiers on this smart military blog?

Posted by: Fatty McFattington at September 13, 2020 09:18 PM (tAN0M)

455 Is that the Yaesu, joy of man's desiring?

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 13, 2020 09:15 PM (NWiLs)

I think you can talk to Him at a far longer range....

Posted by: OrangeEnt at September 13, 2020 09:18 PM (0jfkF)

456 453 I'm serious you all - if someone wants to run it I can post the Net details here in secret code or something.
Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 09:17 PM (MVjcR)

Hear that, hayseed! We're talkin' in code!

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 13, 2020 09:18 PM (NWiLs)

457 OK - time for the (early) 9:30 thank you....

Seriously guys, thank you!

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 09:18 PM (MVjcR)

458 AshevilleRobert, my prayers are with you

Ditto.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 13, 2020 09:18 PM (EgshT)

459 I was told .357 mag revolvers tend to seize up due to the heat of the mag load.

Any truth to this?


I've been thinking of investing in a .357 mag revolver(Ruger Redhawk).

Posted by: davidt at September 13, 2020 09:19 PM (l3+k2)

460 OK - time for the (early) 9:30 thank you....



Seriously guys, thank you!

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 09:18 PM (MVjcR)

Bu, bu, but, the sun's still up!!!

Posted by: OrangeEnt at September 13, 2020 09:19 PM (0jfkF)

461 OK - time for the (early) 9:30 thank you....



Seriously guys, thank you!

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 09:18 PM (MVjcR)

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No, thank *you.*

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 13, 2020 09:19 PM (cfSRQ)

462 372 ... "Ham radio. I know we have some Hams here - anyone want to host a Net?"

I don't have an antenna set up at the moment but would be glad to participate in a net when I get back on the air. Just picked up an Icom 756ProII HF rig. It is so advanced compared to my 40-plus year old gear I'm basically starting over to learn to operate the thing.

I assume you're thinking SSB on one of the lower bands.

Posted by: JTB at September 13, 2020 09:20 PM (7EjX1)

463 Ah geez...starting to get that nauseated, anxious feeling about having to get back to work tomorrow. Shoot me now.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 13, 2020 09:20 PM (NWiLs)

464 "Go buy a Yaesu 857d"



$1200! I have one of those $50 USB SDR thingys. Can I just use that to lurk?

Posted by: f'd at September 13, 2020 09:14 PM


I think 857s are now out of production and, still being hugely popular, are probably going for a premium. Give the Yaesu FT-891 a whirl instead.

Posted by: Bert G at September 13, 2020 09:20 PM (OMsf+)

465 Yeah, nurse, what is the exact function issue with your dirty revolver? Only difference between 38 and 357 should be location of the fouling ring inside each cylinder, which could eventually make 357 more difficult to load/eject. But I don't see how firing would be affected?

Posted by: rhomboid at September 13, 2020 09:20 PM (OTzUX)

466 I was told .357 mag revolvers tend to seize up due to the heat of the mag load.

Any truth to this?


I've been thinking of investing in a .357 mag revolver(Ruger Redhawk).


Posted by: davidt at September 13, 2020 09:19 PM (l3+k2)

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This is also news to me, and I've owned one for 20+ years.

Until the canoe accident...

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 13, 2020 09:21 PM (cfSRQ)

467 Thanks Weasel for posting my bayonet question!

Posted by: OrangeEnt at September 13, 2020 09:21 PM (0jfkF)

468 463 Ah geez...starting to get that nauseated, anxious feeling about having to get back to work tomorrow. Shoot me now.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 13, 2020 09:20 PM (NWiLs)

I've been "retired" for a few years now, and I still get the Sunday Angst.

Posted by: browndog at September 13, 2020 09:21 PM (BgMrQ)

469 I was told .357 mag revolvers tend to seize up due to the heat of the mag load.

Any truth to this?


I've been thinking of investing in a .357 mag revolver(Ruger Redhawk).
Posted by: davidt at September 13, 2020 09:19 PM (l3+k2)
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The problem I have encountered in a .357 shooting .38 Special is the .38 casing is about 1/10th of an inch shorter (to keep you from loading .357 in a .3 and the chamber can get fouled to the point that .357 will no longer chamber.

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 09:21 PM (MVjcR)

470 453
I'm serious you all - if someone wants to run it I can post the Net details here in secret code or something.

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 09:17 PM (MVjcR)

--------------------------------

I'll volunteer to be in the net control rotation. Email in nic.

Posted by: Pennsyltucky at September 13, 2020 09:21 PM (+3rQF)

471 Oh yes, HAM radio can be quite the adventure.

Posted by: Nellie Ohr, retaining counsel at September 13, 2020 09:22 PM (OTzUX)

472 Relax, Insom. It's just "Sunday-itis". Usually resolves without further treatment in 5 days, lol.

Posted by: JQ at September 13, 2020 09:22 PM (whOIk)

473 My .88 magnum keeps shooting through schools. Does anyone have a recommendation for soft-point round, or maybe one that isn't loaded quite so hot?

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 13, 2020 09:22 PM (NWiLs)

474 Thanks Weasel for posting my bayonet question!
Posted by: OrangeEnt at September 13, 2020 09:21 PM (0jfkF)
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Of course! Thanks for sending it in!

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 09:22 PM (MVjcR)

475 So keep it clean and there's no worries.

Posted by: davidt at September 13, 2020 09:22 PM (l3+k2)

476

Okay, way late but...
On that parallax thing.
My ignorance is about to show.
Just always figured that if I was seeing a proper sight pic in the scope, no black around edge anywhere, I was lined up well enough.
Never seemed to have had a problem with grouping once a scope was dialed in.
Then again, I've never pushed things out past 300 yds.
Never been the need.

Posted by: TeeJ at September 13, 2020 09:23 PM (PXKj8)

477 Weasel, thanks for the parallax info, the videos reinforce what I try to get across to shooters who are trying to sight in. If you move your eye (head) and the reticle moves, you're out of adjustment.

Posted by: Panhandler at September 13, 2020 09:23 PM (S/rwf)

478 468 463 Ah geez...starting to get that nauseated, anxious feeling about having to get back to work tomorrow. Shoot me now.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 13, 2020 09:20 PM (NWiLs)

I've been "retired" for a few years now, and I still get the Sunday Angst.
Posted by: browndog at September 13, 2020 09:21 PM (BgMrQ)

Ooof. That's not very encouraging...

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 13, 2020 09:23 PM (NWiLs)

479 Yeah, nurse, what is the exact function issue with
your dirty revolver? Only difference between 38 and 357 should be
location of the fouling ring inside each cylinder, which could
eventually make 357 more difficult to load/eject. But I don't see how
firing would be affected?

Posted by: rhomboid at September 13, 2020 09:20 PM (OTzUX)

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I've always followed the advice to conclude each session of shooting .38 with some .357s to act as "bore cleaners."

It seems to work.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 13, 2020 09:23 PM (cfSRQ)

480 I assume you're thinking SSB on one of the lower bands.
Posted by: JTB at September 13, 2020 09:20 PM (7EjX1)
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I think that's what I was thinking, unless someone has another idea.

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 09:23 PM (MVjcR)

481 Thanks for the gub thread, Weasel!

Sorry I had nothing positive to contribute...

Posted by: JQ at September 13, 2020 09:24 PM (whOIk)

482 $1200! I have one of those $50 USB SDR thingys. Can I just use that to lurk?
Posted by: f'd at September 13, 2020 09:14 PM (+1cqk)


Oh! Yeah. And it's not the only radio by a long shot. I just meant, if you wanted ONE, to cover everything from 160m to 70cm, and you were willing to learn how to use it, nobody would tell you it's the wrong choice.

Posted by: hogmartin at September 13, 2020 09:24 PM (t+qrx)

483 I was told .357 mag revolvers tend to seize up due to the heat of the mag load. Any truth to this?

I've had a S ampersand W model 686-6 for years and it has always functioned flawlessly even during prolonged sessions at the range. FWIW.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 13, 2020 09:24 PM (EgshT)

484 Posted by: Panhandler at September 13, 2020 09:23 PM (S/rwf)
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Happy to do it!

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 09:24 PM (MVjcR)

485 472 Relax, Insom. It's just "Sunday-itis". Usually resolves without further treatment in 5 days, lol.
Posted by: JQ at September 13, 2020 09:22 PM (whOIk)

Heh. Sunday-itis indeed.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 13, 2020 09:25 PM (NWiLs)

486 Thanks all for the answers, I figured if true I'd have heard it before.

Posted by: davidt at September 13, 2020 09:25 PM (l3+k2)

487 The problem I have encountered in a .357 shooting
.38 Special is the .38 casing is about 1/10th of an inch shorter (to
keep you from loading .357 in a .3 and the chamber can get fouled to the point that .357 will no longer chamber.

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 09:21 PM (MVjcR)

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That's got to be some seriously dirty ammo!

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 13, 2020 09:25 PM (cfSRQ)

488 davidt, a properly functioning revolver should not be affected by the heat generated by shooting. Have never heard of that problem, in any case.

Redhawk is a pretty hefty piece, and I doubt it could be affected that way.

Revolvers can be affected by fouling, eventually, though I've never seen it (actual function, not the loading issue with 357 into chambers that see lots of 38, which both Weasel and I have mentioned). Only problems I've seen with revolvers are actually breakages, parts wearing out (moving parts), and those are rare and usually predictable/avoidable.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 13, 2020 09:25 PM (OTzUX)

489
Heh. Heh heh heh.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 13, 2020 09:26 PM (NWiLs)

490 My .88 magnum keeps shooting through schools. Does
anyone have a recommendation for soft-point round, or maybe one that
isn't loaded quite so hot?

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 13, 2020 09:22 PM (NWiLs)

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Try .88 Special.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 13, 2020 09:26 PM (cfSRQ)

491 But supposedly will start improving tonight.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 13, 2020 07:51 PM (d1uFV)

Improving tonight? Good, because the air really sucks right now. And yeah, the air is damned cold. But I refuse to turn on the furnace, instead doffing a sweatshirt. I don't care so much about the global warming stuff, but I refuse to start my gas heating bill until late October if I can. Yeah, I'm cheap.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg



That's not being cheap...that's being frugal.
And I'm frugal too...but I'll admit Mrs D is cheap.


Posted by: Diogenes at September 13, 2020 09:27 PM (axyOa)

492 Posted by: TeeJ at September 13, 2020 09:23 PM (PXKj
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True, the problem becomes more severe at greater distances, but it's a really good to get into the habit of checking.

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 09:27 PM (MVjcR)

493 Baron Munchausen
80% question. If you have any carpentry, practical skills. Completely doable

Posted by: Wyoming Lurker at September 13, 2020 09:27 PM (fT38Y)

494 Try .88 Special.


.88+P

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 13, 2020 09:27 PM (B4cxB)

495 Posted by: JQ at September 13, 2020 09:24 PM (whOIk)
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Nice to have you!

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 09:28 PM (MVjcR)

496 My one input to the AR build is:

If you're considering building or already have the parts ordered, go ahead and order the Wheeler 710906 Bolt Catch Install tool kit. $10 or so shipped.

In my experience - and assuming you're using an assembled upper - you can make everything else happen without any special tools (although you might need a spanner wrench for the castle nut if you don't have a well-stocked toolchest), but I can't figure out a good way to get that pin in without a tool.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Y'all better work this sh*t out, because you don't want us to at September 13, 2020 09:28 PM (xVQEQ)

497 Heh. Heh heh heh.
You better not let Bluebell see that, she has no sense of humor and we don't want you to miss Texas.

Posted by: Panhandler at September 13, 2020 09:28 PM (S/rwf)

498 An AR build is in the queue, I swear!
Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 09:14 PM (MVjcR)


Yay!!

Posted by: Baron Munchausen at September 13, 2020 09:28 PM (C1NyB)

499 My ammo (reloads, lead bullets) *is* pretty dirty in the 38sp, so my Model 66 chambers do need cleaning. Mostly I just snake and then dry-brush with a bronze brush, but periodically I'll soak the chambers in CLP over night, then use a 40S&W bronze cleaning brush in a rod chucked into a hand drill, and carefully scrub the chambers that way.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 13, 2020 09:29 PM (OTzUX)

500 Hogmartin and Weasel - ThanX! for the update. I don't want anyone to be that low on pews

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at September 13, 2020 09:29 PM (rJ1YP)

501 .88 is what you are using? Cut that in half and you should see less penetration.

Posted by: Eromero at September 13, 2020 09:30 PM (XhWtx)

502 Revolvers can be affected by fouling, eventually,
though I've never seen it (actual function, not the loading issue with
357 into chambers that see lots of 38, which both Weasel and I have
mentioned). Only problems I've seen with revolvers are actually
breakages, parts wearing out (moving parts), and those are rare and
usually predictable/avoidable.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 13, 2020 09:25 PM (OTzUX)

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I used to have a well-used Charter Arms Bulldog in .44 Special.

It absolutely demanded flawless maintenance and specific ammunition to function well. It was also worn out, which is how I could afford it.

But with fastidious cleaning and the right kind of ammo, it ran like a champ.

All other revolvers I have owned or seen in action ran flawlessly, including Taurus, SW, Ruger and Colt.


Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 13, 2020 09:30 PM (cfSRQ)

503 Hogmartin and Weasel - ThanX! for the update. I don't want anyone to be that low on pews

McGyver, over
Posted by: McGyver at September 13, 2020 09:29 PM (rJ1YP)
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That was a seriously good gesture on your part, McGyver

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 09:30 PM (MVjcR)

504 I think you can talk to Him at a far longer range....


Posted by: OrangeEnt at September 13, 2020 09:18 PM (0jfkF)


Or a much shorter range, depending on how you look at it.

Posted by: GWB at September 13, 2020 09:30 PM (1XOEC)

505 Heh. Heh heh heh.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 13, 2020 09:26 PM (NWiLs)

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Shut up, Beavis.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 13, 2020 09:31 PM (cfSRQ)

506 OrangeENT --

I recommend you leave the blade edges (bottom and top 3-4 inches) as-is. Removing metal from a 100-year-old-plus SA item, to dull it, is irreversible and you may regret it someday.

Protection: Do you have a scabbard for this one? That will protect both you and the edge for most handling. The scabbards are designed to lock to the release button just behind the guard (hilt), so they will not accidentally slip-off. Alternatively you can try to put the flexible plastic car door edge-guards over the blade edges. I'll bet one of the various types will do an adequate job for you. Simply cut the lengths needed.

Original WWI era scabbards for the M1905 bayonet are pricey, and most are in poor condition in 2020, because they are canvas over wood.

Repros of both the WWI-type scabbard and the updated WW2 reinforced plastic model are available.

FYI, I have a half-dozen M1905 bayonets, dated from 1910 to 1916, including two that were cut-down to 10 inches early in WW2. Only one has been been sharpened since issue (no way to know when) and it is SHARP!

Posted by: Gref at September 13, 2020 09:32 PM (AMIL/)

507 .88 is what you are using? Cut that in half and you should see less penetration.


Posted by: Eromero at September 13, 2020 09:30 PM (XhWtx)

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Hollow point should help.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 13, 2020 09:32 PM (cfSRQ)

508 Weasel, I have been going to the range at least once a week if not more. I'm really learning to to handle my new toy and after a few more sessions I think (I hope) I will be able to send a pic of my results . I don't want to embarrass myself! BUT.. I got new glasses and man oh man has that helped!! I also practice with the snap caps as suggested by hogmartin who has been a tremendous help and is very knowledgable.

Posted by: Jewells45 at September 13, 2020 09:32 PM (dUJdY)

509 My .88 magnum keeps shooting through schools.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 13, 2020 09:22 PM (NWiLs)


Ummmm. It just goes off every time it goes by one? Are these elementary, secondary, colleges?
Is this a weird occurrence of auto-cucumber? Or am I misreading something?

Posted by: GWB at September 13, 2020 09:32 PM (1XOEC)

510 Weasel

Great thread as usual! Early AM appts in ILM so signing out. Goodnight everyone.

Posted by: Agitator at September 13, 2020 09:32 PM (Z+X6x)

511 Once I get done sawing up all my black walnut, I should have some great material for stocks. I might make one for a 30.06 if I get the time.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at September 13, 2020 09:33 PM (Mm4NK)

512 Or a much shorter range, depending on how you look at it.


Posted by: GWB at September 13, 2020 09:30 PM (1XOEC)

Don't we know it!!!!! - Kyle's targets

Posted by: OrangeEnt at September 13, 2020 09:33 PM (0jfkF)

513 Weasel,

Thanks as always for the thread. Best to Weasel Woman and the menagerie.

Posted by: JTB at September 13, 2020 09:33 PM (7EjX1)

514 Ummmm. It just goes off every time it goes by one?



Posted by: GWB at September 13, 2020 09:32 PM (1XOEC)

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I think David French has the same problem.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 13, 2020 09:33 PM (cfSRQ)

515 Weasel, I have been going to the range at least once a week if not more. I'm really learning to to handle my new toy and after a few more sessions I think (I hope) I will be able to send a pic of my results . I don't want to embarrass myself! BUT.. I got new glasses and man oh man has that helped!! I also practice with the snap caps as suggested by hogmartin who has been a tremendous help and is very knowledgable.
Posted by: Jewells45 at September 13, 2020 09:32 PM (dUJdY)
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Great Jewells45! I look forward to posting your range report!

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 09:34 PM (MVjcR)

516 I might also add that when it's time for some real wheelgun fun at the range or out in the open, the 686 is my ol' standby.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 13, 2020 09:34 PM (EgshT)

517
My one input to the AR build is:

If you're considering building or already have the parts ordered, go ahead and order the Wheeler 710906 Bolt Catch Install tool kit. $10 or so shipped.

In my experience - and assuming you're using an assembled upper - you can make everything else happen without any special tools (although you might need a spanner wrench for the castle nut if you don't have a well-stocked toolchest), but I can't figure out a good way to get that pin in without a tool.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Y'all better work this sh*t out, because you don't want us to at September 13, 2020 09:28 PM


^^^This.^^^

I have a nifty scratch on the last AR I put together 'cause I installed that stoopid pin without the proper tool

at least it wasn't a snap ring...

Posted by: AltonJackson (Click here for the MiMoMe!!!) at September 13, 2020 09:34 PM (4jlc3)

518 Thanks as ever for gunz, Weasel!

And I finally got some 380ACP dies, after fruitlessly watching my local gun forum for someone selling some, cheap, for over a year. I'm just about out of the factory 380 I have (apart from a case of factory I keep in every caliber, as strategic reserve), so will be doing my first reloads soon.

Nice thing about being some way into the reloading thing - for most "new" calibers, all I've needed is to add dies. Components (powder, primers), and other tools, all common to the various calibers I reload. Bullets of course are a component that needs to be added. But the efficiencies of reloading multiple handgun calibers become quite dramatic as you add more of them.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 13, 2020 09:34 PM (OTzUX)

519 Posted by: Agitator at September 13, 2020 09:32 PM (Z+X6x)
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Thank you and goodnight!

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 09:34 PM (MVjcR)

520 An AR build is in the queue, I swear!
Posted by: Weasel
Nice. It will be curious to compare my notes with a master

Posted by: Wyoming Lurker at September 13, 2020 09:35 PM (fT38Y)

521 NZ Frank,

I believe the Geneva Conventions at the time were such that medical personnel could not carry a weapon of war.

However, they could be "armed" for personal defense and for protection of the wounded in their care. A 22 rifle was accepted on the European battlefield in that regard.

It is actually a take-down rifle. There is one large set-screw that you can manipulate with just your finger tips.

SN indicates the gun was manufactured in 1907.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at September 13, 2020 09:35 PM (tkyK5)

522 at least it wasn't a snap ring...
Posted by: AltonJackson (Click here for the MiMoMe!!!) at September 13, 2020 09:34 PM (4jlc3)


*shakes tiny fist in rage*

SNAAP RIIIIIIINGS!

Posted by: hogmartin at September 13, 2020 09:35 PM (t+qrx)

523 "Anybody with a Gh0st Gunner want to talk about milling 80% lowers?"

No GG, but with an "80 Percent arms Easy Jig gen 2" or newer it's very easy to get decent results for a few of hundred bucks plus whatever router you have or choose to get.

The problem is that all of the inexpensive 80% lowers are gone.

Posted by: Ratus at September 13, 2020 09:36 PM (alnT2)

524 Posted by: JTB at September 13, 2020 09:33 PM (7EjX1)
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Thanks JTB! Happy to do it and give my best to Mrs. JTB!

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 09:36 PM (MVjcR)

525

Thanks Weasel.
I'll for sure check out the vid to see if there is something I'm not doing that I should be doing.
Only knows on my scopes are the two adj knobs.
Did have a scope on the 7 for a couple years that had that ring you could turn with yardage markings. Out of focus if yardage not right. Pain in the backside. Especially since I pretty much only shot it while deer hunting.
Cold weather made it a cast iron, er, um, made it hard to turn.

Posted by: TeeJ at September 13, 2020 09:37 PM (PXKj8)

526 I can't figure out a good way to get that pin in without a tool.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Y'all better work this sh*t out, because you don't want us to at September 13, 2020 09:28 PM (xVQEQ)


I used a normal nail set and a small hammer (as in short handle - it's "cute", and a gift from my mom a few years back, so don't laugh) for my AR build. I *might* have included pictures of the tools in what I sent Weasel some time back.

Posted by: GWB at September 13, 2020 09:37 PM (1XOEC)

527 For those who want ham radio capability, morse code is no longer required for any level of license. But I would still urge you to become at least slightly proficient in code for real emergency conditions. As they say CW (code) always gets through.

My own skills are completely rusty. I plan to get back to 15 to 20 WPM eventually.

Posted by: JTB at September 13, 2020 09:37 PM (7EjX1)

528 Concur. 80% tools are speedy. Look for factory seconds on sale

Posted by: Wyoming Lurker at September 13, 2020 09:38 PM (fT38Y)

529 Why do you all own guns?

I live in the sticks. The small town near me has one cop on duty, sometimes two. Yet we have very little crime around here. Because it is known people around here are armed and will defend themselves and their property. We don't expect a cop to show up in a few minutes. And many people here hunt anyway so having guns is no big deal. But you have to have a way to defend yourself IF you have to.
Now my brother who lives in a mid-sized city carries all the time. And I don't blame him.

Posted by: Case at September 13, 2020 09:38 PM (rH0cI)

530 Posted by: TeeJ at September 13, 2020 09:37 PM (PXKj
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Happy to do it, TeeJ!

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 09:38 PM (MVjcR)

531 I have a nifty scratch on the last AR I put together 'cause I installed that stoopid pin without the proper tool

at least it wasn't a snap ring...

Posted by: AltonJackson (Click here for the MiMoMe!!!) at September 13, 2020 09:34 PM (4jlc3)


My first supervisor called snap rings 'Jesus Rings.' He said he calls them that because when one them slips off and flies away while you're trying to install it, you say "Jesus!"

Posted by: Gref at September 13, 2020 09:38 PM (AMIL/)

532 Speedy= spendy.

Posted by: Wyoming Lurker at September 13, 2020 09:39 PM (fT38Y)

533 Posted by: Gref at September 13, 2020 09:32 PM (AMIL/)

No, no scabbard. I'll just leave it wrapped up in the box the seller sent it in. I can get it quickly if I need it. Thanks for the info.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at September 13, 2020 09:39 PM (0jfkF)

534 Watching Quigley Down Under again. I never counted before but I think he killed at least 17 . That's a high body count for any movie.

Posted by: Weaning is hard at September 13, 2020 09:40 PM (2DOZq)

535 My first supervisor called snap rings 'Jesus Rings.' He said he calls them that because when one them slips off and flies away while you're trying to install it, you say "Jesus!"
Posted by: Gref at September 13, 2020 09:38 PM (AMIL/)


Snap rings are easy to install and remove if you have snap ring pliers. You just shove the little fingers under the snap ring and send it across the room to remove, and use the butt of the pliers to bang the ring with a flathead screwdriver until it wedges in the channel to replace.

Simple.

Posted by: hogmartin at September 13, 2020 09:40 PM (t+qrx)

536 For those who want ham radio capability, morse code is no longer
required for any level of license. But I would still urge you to become
at least slightly proficient in code for real emergency conditions. As
they say CW (code) always gets through.

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I only remember how to send "CQ", and of course "SOS", and "V" because Beethoven.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at September 13, 2020 09:41 PM (Mm4NK)

537 Most sellers of the 80% parts have specials. Look for them

Posted by: Wyoming Lurker at September 13, 2020 09:41 PM (fT38Y)

538 Thanks Weasel. Excellent. that whole parallax explanation is why I need a grenade launcher, bazooka or flame thrower. Precision shooting is hard.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 13, 2020 09:41 PM (pmcmT)

539
Watching Quigley Down Under again. I never counted before but I think he killed at least 17 . That's a high body count for any movie.

Posted by: Weaning is hard at September 13, 2020 09:40 PM


perhaps I could interest you in a series of films

with a pencil...

Posted by: John Wick at September 13, 2020 09:41 PM (4jlc3)

540 Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 13, 2020 09:41 PM (pmcmT)
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Hurry up and find Heidi Acres and you'll have a place to practice!

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 09:42 PM (MVjcR)

541 Posted by: AltonJackson (Click here for the MiMoMe!!!) at September 13, 2020 09:34 PM (4jlc3)

$10 is pretty cheap. I found a set of roll pin punches to be well worth the money for builds. I'm going to look into this tool.

Posted by: Baron Munchausen at September 13, 2020 09:42 PM (C1NyB)

542 I am totally in favor of a sub gun ham thread. When things go sideways it will be critical.
Btw, went to the range today- Sunday is fun day is gun day. Shot 7 rounds. Accomplished what was needed. Had a scope adjustment to verify. Took two rounds. The other five were just because.

Posted by: RI Red at September 13, 2020 09:42 PM (F6Zin)

543 The problem is that all of the inexpensive 80% lowers are gone.

Posted by: Ratus at September 13, 2020 09:36 PM (alnT2)


I've been wondering how a metal 3D printer would handle a lower. Would it be large enough (inexpensive 3D printers have serious size limitations)? Would it be strong enough?
Heck, even build it as an 80%, and mill the remainder yourself if need be.

Posted by: GWB at September 13, 2020 09:43 PM (1XOEC)

544 Watching Quigley Down Under again. I never counted
before but I think he killed at least 17 . That's a high body count for
any movie.

Posted by: Weaning is hard at September 13, 2020 09:40 PM (2DOZq)

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His gun is epic.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 13, 2020 09:43 PM (cfSRQ)

545 Weaning at 534, Matt Dillon killed one a week for decades. But always remember what Bernard Books said 'I never killed a man that didn't deserve it.', or maybe that was Rooster Cogburn.

Posted by: Eromero at September 13, 2020 09:43 PM (XhWtx)

546 My first supervisor called snap rings 'Jesus Rings.' He said he calls them that because when one them slips off and flies away while you're trying to install it, you say "Jesus!"
Posted by: Gref at September 13, 2020 09:38 PM (AMIL/)

Snap rings are easy to install and remove if you have snap ring pliers. You just shove the little fingers under the snap ring and send it across the room to remove, and use the butt of the pliers to bang the ring with a flathead screwdriver until it wedges in the channel to replace.

Simple.
Posted by: hogmartin

This is why I bought snap ring pliers.

Posted by: Sock Monkey.. too many commies not enough ammo at September 13, 2020 09:44 PM (rm0Zb)

547 I am totally in favor of a sub gun ham thread. When things go sideways it will be critical.
Posted by: RI Red at September 13, 2020 09:42 PM (F6Zin)
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All we need is someone to organize and run it!

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 09:44 PM (MVjcR)

548 His gun is epic.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 13, 2020 09:43 PM (cfSRQ)

They did an episode on it in Hollywood Weapons. Tom Selleck has the original they used.

Posted by: Weaning is hard at September 13, 2020 09:45 PM (2DOZq)

549 a sub gun ham thread

Posted by: RI Red at September 13, 2020 09:42 PM (F6Zin)


A thread about ham subs? Don't get any mayo on your guns.

Posted by: GWB at September 13, 2020 09:45 PM (1XOEC)

550 Ham sounds tasty. Especially with some eggs.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 13, 2020 09:45 PM (NWiLs)

551 I own guns for play and for self defense. I never had guns around growing up. The Navy changed that. I learned they are tools not to be feared. The weapons I'm most comfortable with are semi auto handguns and shotguns. Rifles I'm still learning.

Posted by: USNtakim at September 13, 2020 09:46 PM (0OmEj)

552 527
For those who want ham radio capability, morse code is no longer
required for any level of license. But I would still urge you to become
at least slightly proficient in code for real emergency conditions. As
they say CW (code) always gets through.



My own skills are completely rusty. I plan to get back to 15 to 20 WPM eventually.

Posted by: JTB at September 13, 2020 09:37 PM (7EjX1)

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I can do 20 (25 on a really good day), but 15 seems to be the sweet spot. Most of the conversational hams seem to prefer around 12-15 WPM. Even at 8-10, there are still plenty of folks to talk to. I often hang around the "novice" areas and talk to CW noobies who are just getting their feet wet. It's great hearing the light come on for someone new to code.

Posted by: Pennsyltucky at September 13, 2020 09:48 PM (+3rQF)

553 But always remember what Bernard Books said 'I never killed a man that didn't deserve it.', or maybe that was Rooster Cogburn.
Posted by: Eromero at September 13, 2020 09:43 PM (XhWtx)

Yes Books in The Shootist.

Posted by: Weaning is hard at September 13, 2020 09:48 PM (2DOZq)

554 Usually close to Memorial Day Weekend. We have a machine gun shoot here. Might have to figure out logistics and stuff to have some kind of a MoMe here?

Posted by: Wyoming Lurker at September 13, 2020 09:48 PM (fT38Y)

555 Hurry up and find Heidi Acres and you'll have a place to practice!

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 09:42 PM (MVjcR)

going up to Show Low for a month so we'll be looking. Starting to think we might want to retire in small town America.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 13, 2020 09:49 PM (pmcmT)

556
I found a set of roll pin punches to be well worth the money for builds. I'm going to look into this tool.

Posted by: Baron Munchausen at September 13, 2020 09:42 PM


these roll pin punches...metric or SAE?

Posted by: John Wick at September 13, 2020 09:49 PM (4jlc3)

557 I found a set of roll pin punches to be well worth the money for builds. I'm going to look into this tool.

Posted by: Baron Munchausen at September 13, 2020 09:42 PM

these roll pin punches...metric or SAE?
Posted by: John Wick at September 13, 2020 09:49 PM (4jlc3)

Torx

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at September 13, 2020 09:49 PM (NWiLs)

558 Starting shooting around age 10, had my first shotgun at age 12, been around them all my life and I just appreciate craftsmanship. What more can one say?

Posted by: Eromero at September 13, 2020 09:50 PM (XhWtx)

559 The only problem I've ever had with a revolver is bad timing from the factory. Or breaking the front slight

Posted by: Jean at September 13, 2020 09:50 PM (BYUpI)

560 Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 13, 2020 09:49 PM (pmcmT)
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That's my plan!

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 09:50 PM (MVjcR)

561
Weasel, thanks again for a wonderful gun thread.

Posted by: AltonJackson (Click here for the MiMoMe!!!) at September 13, 2020 09:51 PM (4jlc3)

562 Posted by: AltonJackson (Click here for the MiMoMe!!!) at September 13, 2020 09:51 PM (4jlc3)
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Thanks AltonJackson. Happy to do it.

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 09:52 PM (MVjcR)

563 It's great hearing the light come on for someone new to code.
Posted by: Pennsyltucky at September 13, 2020 09:48 PM (+3rQF)


I used to have a CW "keyboard" installed on my phone, just one button that takes up the whole keyboard area (or two, if you're a paddle guy). Really handy for sending text messages in the winter with the phone in my coat pocket.

Funny thing, learning how to send code doesn't help very much with being able to hear and copy it. I still can't copy much better than 5 wpm reliably.

Posted by: hogmartin at September 13, 2020 09:52 PM (t+qrx)

564 Damn. Just saw Blue Velvet for the first time. I'll never get that time back. Never.

Posted by: Eromero at September 13, 2020 09:52 PM (XhWtx)

565 Posted by: John Wick at September 13, 2020 09:49 PM (4jlc3)

SAE. But looking at the tool set mentioned above, it appears to be a starter and punch, with one side milled flat so a guy can drive the bolt catch pin straight. Me likey.

Posted by: Baron Munchausen at September 13, 2020 09:52 PM (C1NyB)

566 Why do you all own guns?

I live in the sticks. The small town near me has one cop on duty, sometimes two. Yet we have very little crime around here. Because it is known people around here are armed and will defend themselves and their property. We don't expect a cop to show up in a few minutes. And many people here hunt anyway so having guns is no big deal. But you have to have a way to defend yourself IF you have to.
Now my brother who lives in a mid-sized city carries all the time. And I don't blame him.
Posted by: Case at September 13, 2020 09:38 PM

I live on the southern boundary of the county, in the woods. Average response time by the County Sheriff is 25 minutes. We still get our fair share of tweekers who occasionally decide that the rural areas are good burglary prospects. The joke around here is that if you call 911 make sure you tell them to send an ambulance. When they ask if someone is injured you tell them not yet. Cougars, coyotes and now apparently wolves are just as big a reason to have a reliable firearm.

Posted by: Sock Monkey.. too many commies not enough ammo at September 13, 2020 09:53 PM (rm0Zb)

567 The bolt (? I think?) on my Model 66 broke, I had S*W figure it out/replace it. Should have had it refinished while it was there - not real marked up, but shoulda done it. This is an early 90s production, not heavily used when I bought it, but I have shot it quite a bit.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 13, 2020 09:54 PM (OTzUX)

568

Crum.
Bedtime and still have probably a 35 min or so "report" vid to watch besides the on in the post.

And yeah Insom, not looking forward to tomorrow myself.
It's not the work, it's the people.
And still at least 8 1/2 mo till I can barely afford to retire.

Thanks again Weasel.
Best damn cob on the site.

Posted by: TeeJ at September 13, 2020 09:54 PM (PXKj8)

569 Hi Weasel,

If it's not too late -- and even if it is -- Happy Anniversary to you and the Mrs.

Posted by: FloridaMan at September 13, 2020 09:55 PM (HCeRP)

570 Posted by: TeeJ at September 13, 2020 09:54 PM (PXKj
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aw, shucks...

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 09:55 PM (MVjcR)

571 Out for the night. The youngest apparently got his nap out so now we need to stay up for another couple of hours and explain to him why he's so cranky at midnight.

Y'all have fun and thanks as always Weasel.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Y'all better work this sh*t out, because you don't want us to at September 13, 2020 09:55 PM (xVQEQ)

572 We are bringing the lead sled


Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 13, 2020 07:09 PM (uyKdz)


You have an F-105?! COOL!
(Yes, I'm reading back *up* the thread, as I missed it earlier.)

Posted by: GWB at September 13, 2020 09:56 PM (1XOEC)

573 Posted by: FloridaMan at September 13, 2020 09:55 PM (HCeRP)
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Thanks, FloridaMan! Appreciate that!

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 09:56 PM (MVjcR)

574 I am trying to raise money to name a hotel room after the Unknown Soldier at the National WW2 Museum in New Orleans. If you'd like to participate, here is the link: https://www.gofundme.com/f/name-a-hotel-room-so-we-never-forget. I figure if you can raise $2MM for the dude in Wisconsin, and a bunch of money for George Floyd, we can raise $50k for the Unknown Soldier.

Posted by: jeff at September 13, 2020 09:56 PM (c73GF)

575 Well, weasel, et al. (Fancy lawyer talk for "y'all"). Mrs. Red was fuming about no internet tonight and encouraged me to think about ham radio. I have a couple of Bao Fengs , but without a repeater they are limited.
I think I'm going to follow this up with various commenters.

Posted by: RI Red at September 13, 2020 09:57 PM (F6Zin)

576 Posted by: Moron Robbie - Y'all better work this sh*t out, because you don't want us to at September 13, 2020 09:55 PM (xVQEQ)
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My pleasure, thanks Moron Robbie!

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 09:57 PM (MVjcR)

577 @566. Yes. The trouble with roads is they can bring anything in. I'm off the road as much as possible but still it's close enough.

Posted by: Case at September 13, 2020 09:57 PM (rH0cI)

578 Bolt catch pin drift set. A specialty set that you'll probably never use for anything else, ever. But at $15, well worth the money.

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1017289666?pid=451097

Posted by: Baron Munchausen at September 13, 2020 09:57 PM (C1NyB)

579 Made my 870 12 ga into a home defense gun. Fun project and I'll put a 2 or 3 shot tube extension. easy assembly. However, Heidi 20 ga 870 installing synthetic furniture and its a bitch to assemble the action. Videos say easier to take out the trigger assembly. Oh well, I learn something very time I do it.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 13, 2020 09:58 PM (pmcmT)

580
it appears to be a starter and punch, with one side milled flat so a guy can drive the bolt catch pin straight. Me likey.

Posted by: Baron Munchausen at September 13, 2020 09:52 PM


interesting

mayhaps I should fetch a set of harbor freight punches & flatten it with a file / dremel

dammit, now I have to build another AR

maybe in 7.62x39...

Posted by: AltonJackson (Click here for the MiMoMe!!!) at September 13, 2020 09:58 PM (4jlc3)

581 I think I'm going to follow this up with various commenters.
Posted by: RI Red at September 13, 2020 09:57 PM (F6Zin)
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I think it would be a fun and worthwhile exercise!

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 09:58 PM (MVjcR)

582 Thanks as always Mr. Weasel! The parallax stuff was very informative.

Posted by: Sock Monkey.. too many commies not enough ammo at September 13, 2020 09:58 PM (rm0Zb)

583 No Sunday-itis here, tomorrow is my FRIDAY! Thanks Mr. Weasel, and good night all.

Posted by: Eromero at September 13, 2020 09:59 PM (XhWtx)

584 Posted by: Sock Monkey.. too many commies not enough ammo at September 13, 2020 09:58 PM (rm0Zb)
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You're very welcome Sock Monkey. Happy to hear you found it useful!

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 09:59 PM (MVjcR)

585 Posted by: Eromero at September 13, 2020 09:59 PM (XhWtx)
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Adios, Amigo!

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 10:00 PM (MVjcR)

586 Posted by: AltonJackson (Click here for the MiMoMe!!!) at September 13, 2020 09:58 PM (4jlc3)

That might work, too. Or grind em down on a bench grinder....

Posted by: Baron Munchausen at September 13, 2020 10:00 PM (C1NyB)

587 Bayonet story--my brother's, not mine. When he was in Viet Nam he was riding in his open jeep when he spotted a Viet Cong ahead of him, rifle aimed. He didn't have time to use his rifle (for reasons I don't understand, though he explained), so the question was, could he unclip his bayonet and throw it like a knife in time? Answer: it was almost a draw. He threw, not in time to prevent the Viet Cong from firing, but as a reflex as he fell. The bullet arced and ended up between my brother's legs. He keeps it on his desk.

God bless you, Spike.

Posted by: Wenda at September 13, 2020 10:02 PM (M90sJ)

588 Thanks as always, Weasel !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at September 13, 2020 10:03 PM (Oi/63)

589 Ok, that's it. I suspect I'll be loafing at work this week and working up Moron Comms.
Weasel, this thread is the best.

Posted by: RI Red at September 13, 2020 10:03 PM (F6Zin)

590 Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at September 13, 2020 10:03 PM (Oi/63)
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My pleasure sock_rat!

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 10:05 PM (MVjcR)

591 Epic gub thread.


Thanks, Mr. Weasel!

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at September 13, 2020 10:05 PM (KnJdm)

592 Posted by: RI Red at September 13, 2020 10:03 PM (F6Zin)
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Thanks pal. Let me know how the planning goes.

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 10:06 PM (MVjcR)

593 Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at September 13, 2020 10:05 PM (KnJdm)
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Thanks flounder. Happy to have you here!

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 10:06 PM (MVjcR)

594 Baron Munchausen -- I posted my AR build last week. And, yes, I milled the receiver. Hopefuly this will work link in nic

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at September 13, 2020 10:06 PM (rJ1YP)

595 Mr. Weasel, Imma drop you an email tomorrow when I'm sober about milling machines and stuff. For the build thread......

Posted by: Baron Munchausen at September 13, 2020 10:07 PM (C1NyB)

596 Mr. Weasel, Imma drop you an email tomorrow when I'm sober about milling machines and stuff. For the build thread......
Posted by: Baron Munchausen at September 13, 2020 10:07 PM (C1NyB)
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I'll be on the lookout! Thanks

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 10:07 PM (MVjcR)

597 Trump's up!

Posted by: Splunge at September 13, 2020 10:08 PM (dOV9E)

598 Damn. Just saw Blue Velvet for the first time. I'll never get that time back. Never.
Posted by: Eromero

I watched the movie Jade, there were some nice visuals

Posted by: Jean at September 13, 2020 10:09 PM (BYUpI)

599 Lol. McGuyver, where TF is your trigger guard?!??!?!??


(It's darn pretty, though.)

Posted by: Baron Munchausen at September 13, 2020 10:09 PM (C1NyB)

600 I concur with visiting Arlington National Cemetery. And I will go further: the Vietnam Veterans Memorial must be seen to be appreciated.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33

NRA museum too

Posted by: Jean at September 13, 2020 10:10 PM (BYUpI)

601 Wilco, Weasel. I sense a need. And it's something I personally started on a few years ago and dropped.
Best to WW, et al.

Posted by: RI Red at September 13, 2020 10:11 PM (F6Zin)

602 So, why do I own guns?

I first shot one when I was 10 in the Cub Scouts. They were BBs. The good thing is that the guys there were all military and they all taught us a healthy respect for what guns can do. And this stuck with me for life.

I always thought guns were pretty damn cool from a young age. So one day I wanted to own one of my own. For years I made do by shooting other people's guns. One of my best friends from HS had a grandfather who had his own arsenal for all intents and purposes. His father was a cop, and had his own collection. From time to time, he'd join us, telling us about different guns that he had and having us shoot guns from his collection. And as they lived out in the sticks, so much the better.

I eventually joined the AF and this solidified my decision to get a gun. I settled on a Beretta 92 as that is the civilian version of the M9. This way I can maintain my proficiency and perhaps one day shoot expert. Eventually I added others for different purposes, such as concealed carry and home defense.

I live waaaaaay out in the sticks now and guns are a necessity for country life. I can drop all sorts of varmints out here - if I see a coyote, or a skunk, my orders are to shoot. They cause too many problems out here. So if I see 'em, out comes the rifle.

And to be straight, shooting is fun. Placing a 9mm on a specific place on a target is a zen moment for me. Or a 5.56mm from a rifle. If I didn't like it, I wouldn't do it. There are different guns to try just as there are different wines or cheeses or beers or cigars to try. I like trying out different ones.

I don't have much to talk to people about - I tend to keep to myself on most matters. I go about life quietly. But I have found that you hit a range you get in with the right group of people, you will talk guns. (Such as with all you good people.)

I hate that it gets political - but the price of liberty is eternal vigilance from dumbasses who want to piss it away for your own good. On this, and other things.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 13, 2020 10:11 PM (SSJSf)

603 Posted by: RI Red at September 13, 2020 10:11 PM (F6Zin)
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I concur. It was something I was thinking about before the Gun Thread.

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 10:12 PM (MVjcR)

604 OK. ONT is up. I'll check back in the AM for any late comments or questions.

Goodnight all!

Posted by: Weasel at September 13, 2020 10:14 PM (MVjcR)

605 Fox has a bunch of vets talking 9-11. Pretty good so far.

Posted by: dartist at September 13, 2020 10:15 PM (+ya+t)

606 For Baofengs a programming cable and the free program called CHIRP are fairly essential; manual programming is a couple of steps beyond counter-intuitive.

I would consider doing a Ham Radio 101 weekly or monthly post if wanted.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at September 13, 2020 10:17 PM (Oi/63)

607 Thanks Weasel!
Oh, and First!!!!!

Posted by: OrangeEnt at September 13, 2020 10:17 PM (0jfkF)

608 ONT is up!

Posted by: GWB at September 13, 2020 10:18 PM (1XOEC)

609 Last, too?

Posted by: OrangeEnt at September 13, 2020 10:24 PM (0jfkF)

610 Baron Munchausen - in the mail. I couldn't decide what I wanted. And I HATE roll pins

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at September 13, 2020 10:34 PM (rJ1YP)

611 Good night all - I'm probably willowed, but, thank you all and especially everyone who has put me some new knowledge. And happy anniversary, Mrs. Weasel. Keep putting up with the big guy, we'd miss him if sumpin happin, kwim?

McGyver, out

Posted by: McGyver at September 13, 2020 10:38 PM (rJ1YP)

612 I've been wondering how a metal 3D printer would handle a lower. Would it be large enough (inexpensive 3D printers have serious size limitations)? Would it be strong enough?
Heck, even build it as an 80%, and mill the remainder yourself if need be.
Posted by: GWB at September 13, 2020 09:43 PM (1XOEC)

As I tell people, the lower is not a pressure bearing part.

You can just print it in pla and it works. People have made working lowers out of wood.

The most popular inexpensive 3d printer is the ender 3, which is plenty big enough for a lower.

Posted by: Ratus at September 13, 2020 10:54 PM (alnT2)

613 I've read that Remington is being sold off and that Palmetto State Armory is maybe buying Remington's ammo division.

Posted by: D-Fens at September 13, 2020 11:59 PM (q1ack)

614 How does a Maine who is out of ammo kill an entire enemy platoon with a fixed bayonet?
You about face and run.
The enemy is going to want to take you prisoner so they do not shoot you.
Any Marine is faster than the enemy, but one enemy will be faster than the rest. The enemy platoon begins to string out behind you in pursuit.
You slow down to let the first enemy get closer.
As he nears, you stop, about face, and perform a bayonet thrust killing the enemy.
About face, run.
Lather, rinse, repeat as needed.

-Per a Drill Instructor at MCRD Camp Pendleton 1970



The essence of the bayonet is the thrust. The blade is kept sharp only for use around camp.

You can make the blade as dull is you want, and it won't impinge on the thing's primary function. See also triangular or rod bayonets.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 13, 2020 07:
^^^^^
This!

Cris, not rock:
Check the markings on the barrel of your shotgun. It will tell yoyu what length of shells you can safely use in it.
You noted you had bought three and a half inch buckshot shells.
If you use those and your shotgun is designed for three inch shells you could have a dangerous over pressure result.
Also, if your shotgun does not self destruct the recoil will be so severe you will never want to shoot it again.

La pointe! Toujours la pointe!
The thrust/point kills (insert appropriate Dune reference here).

Posted by: waepnedmann at September 14, 2020 02:28 AM (0ktTh)

615 To unsharpen that bayonet, just lend it to my wife for an hour. She has some sort of secret method to dull knives in minutes.

Posted by: Bama Bubba at September 14, 2020 06:37 AM (mAxkE)

616 I run BCM's polished nickel trigger group on both my ARs.

Posted by: Andy Stern at September 14, 2020 07:33 AM (sL1JM)

617 Three suggestions. If you do something to your weapon that might change the zero, say like removing and reinstalling your backup sights, put a note on the gun. Otherwise, the next time you go to the range you will wonder why it shoots 3 inches to the right at 25 yards.

Suppose you have several different aim-y things (fixed sights, backup sights, red-dot, scopes with magnification, and so forth) and you have them all zeroed at 100 yards so you can switch without having to re-zero. Suggestion: unless you like surprises, check those zeros every so often.

If you have visions of using a weapon in some setting besides shooting off a bench, you need to train yourself to shoot unsupported and improvised positions: standing, kneeling, sitting, prone, obstacles, rocks, trees - whatever. A trained observer who watches you shoot helps and remember, natural point of aim is king.

Posted by: Richard at September 14, 2020 07:47 AM (huaUe)

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