The Morning Rant

MSNBC tool Li'l Chrissy Hayes has deep thots about how conservatives used to like Bush and now we don't. I'm actually not sure whether he would include Trump supporters under the label 'conservative', so maybe he's only talking about the NeverTrump/neocons, but I think there is a germ of truth in what he's saying.

That is, I used to (mostly )like Bush, but now I (mostly )don't. And the primary reason is Donald Trump.

First, I'll give Bush credit for what he did right. I thought his immediate response after the 9/11 attacks was practically perfect. I think we all felt pretty stunned. Bush projected an aura of calm and promised a decisive response. He was supportive and kind to the families who had lost loved ones.

And he said, in effect, look, if we kill the terrorists, all they're going to do is make more terrorists. So we need to give them a reason, a stake in a country where they have something to do other than jump up and down with an AK-47 hollering 'death to America.' So we need to take the lead and help them set up an functioning democracy with the rule or law, representative government, economic opportunity for all, etc. Once we do that, they will have something valuable that they won't want to lose, so they'll stop being terrorists and start being farmers and entrepreneurs and tradesman, etc.

That was the theory, anyway.

But after trillions of dollars and thousands of American lives lost, what do we have to show for it? I'm not sure maintaining a constant U.S. military presence in the Mideast is cost effective. For example, Afghanistan. We can certainly fight the Taliban, but the Afghans are going to have to step up their game. If they're not really interested in fighting the Taliban's imposed caliphate then there's not much we can do. It's kind of like being on welfare. If welfare recipients not interested in going to work and supporting themselves, then providing welfare isn't really accomplishing much, and is probably making the problem worse. Because we all know that whatever you subsidize you'll get more of.

There are no perfect solutions, but I'm no longer willing to put young Americans in harm's way, Trump is right to bring our troops home from Afghanistan.

Another thing Bush should've done is worked out a deal with the new Iraqi government to obtain some of their oil revenue as long as we were there. In previous wars (like WWI and II), we ran up the national debt during wartime and then paid it off afterwards. But this time, we ran up a big bill and then just put it on our tab. I like Trump's insistence that other nations we're involved with need to pay their share rather than simply letting us pay for everything. The goal of American foreign policy should not be figuring out how to incorporate the United States into some nebulous global world order but to seek the well-being of our country and to work with other nations when it is in our interest to do so.

And another thing I didn't like about Bush: in many way, he didn't fight. All of the calumnies and abuse that was heaped upon him for 8 years by the progressives (never mentioned by Chrissy Hayes, by the way) he just ignored. I realize there is virtue in appearing "statesmanlike", but simply pretending that you're not getting hammered daily is foolish in the long term. At this point, I prefer Trump's mean tweets, even though some of them make me cringe. I think they keep the enemy distracted, off-balance, and chasing their tails. Which is a good thing.

Bush tried to get along with the media. Trump has made the media his bitch.

One more thing: Consider Trump's recent EO banning the teaching of Critical Race theory in federal government training programs. Do you think Bush, if he were still president, would do something like that? I don't. This is part of the culture war which Bush was mostly oblivious to. But this is something Trump is very aware of, and also why he does things like go out of his way to identify with pro-life conservatives, speak at pro-life rallies, etc. The neocons don't care about this and the country club/CoC/establishment wing abhor it. In fact, they've pretty much thrown in with the other side. Trump, on the hand, is enthusiastically on our side here.

I suppose it's pointless to speculate what Trump would do if he were president on 9-11. I'm sure he'd make some mistakes. With such an unprecedented crisis thrust upon him, how could he not? But I'd like to think that overall, he would've done better.

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1 Hello monkey thread!

Posted by: Laughing in Texas at September 11, 2020 11:15 AM (94rXL)

2 first?

Posted by: Virginian at September 11, 2020 11:15 AM (QCn60)

3 Corgis called.

Posted by: Laughing in Texas at September 11, 2020 11:16 AM (94rXL)

4 Diana Rigg and George Lazenby

Posted by: Virginian at September 11, 2020 11:16 AM (QCn60)

5 Diana Rigg and George Lazenby of "On Her Majesty's Secret Service."

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 11, 2020 11:16 AM (Ejm1K)

6 And so it begins.

Posted by: That guy who always thinks it's beginning at September 11, 2020 11:16 AM (Rk6Cp)

7 luv dat big aip

Posted by: rhennigantx at September 11, 2020 11:16 AM (JFO2v)

8 Jenny Agutter and. . .?

Posted by: Lizzy at September 11, 2020 11:16 AM (bDqIh)

9 In "On Her Majesty's Secret Service."

Posted by: Virginian at September 11, 2020 11:16 AM (QCn60)

10 Hola

Posted by: Thanatopsis at beautiful Chancre del Diablo ranch at September 11, 2020 11:16 AM (Qfezm)

11 4 Diana Rigg and George Lazenby
Posted by: Virginian at September 11, 2020 11:16 AM (QCn60)

5 Diana Rigg and George Lazenby of "On Her Majesty's Secret Service."
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 11, 2020 11:16 AM (Ejm1K)

You are correct, sirs! And WA gets 300 quatloos for the trifecta.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at September 11, 2020 11:17 AM (1OOhd)

12 i wonder if i could convince who dat to feed me those tots in the next life...

Posted by: SturmToddler at September 11, 2020 11:17 AM (+NdM9)

13 Diana Rigg and George Lazenby, of course.

I know I'm not first.

Yay, Gorilla Pundit!

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 11, 2020 11:17 AM (2JVJo)

14 Wolfus got it.

Was gonna try, but no point now.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, shouting Lawrence! into the desert at September 11, 2020 11:17 AM (UWqZJ)

15 Diana Rigg, George Lazenby, In her Majesty's Secret Service.

I will miss Diana Rigg.

Posted by: Michael Jackson at September 11, 2020 11:17 AM (Kpl3J)

16 (The fact that she passed away yesterday made this a little easier.)

Posted by: Virginian at September 11, 2020 11:18 AM (QCn60)

17 6
LOL! Never not funny

Posted by: Jmel at September 11, 2020 11:18 AM (wKn5r)

18 Sissy Spacek?....and some guy.

Posted by: BignJames at September 11, 2020 11:18 AM (X/Pw5)

19 Diana Rigg is one of those women who looked good in every single picture ever taken of her.

Posted by: Michael Jackson at September 11, 2020 11:18 AM (Kpl3J)

20 Emma Peel and some guy.

Posted by: dantesed at September 11, 2020 11:18 AM (88xKn)

21 >>Diana Rigg and George Lazenby of "On Her Majesty's Secret Service."

Oh, right!
I haven't seen that Bond film, but of course it's Diana Rigg, RIP.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 11, 2020 11:19 AM (bDqIh)

22 Diana Rigg and that guy from the first Bond movie.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at September 11, 2020 11:19 AM (dfRN6)

23 14 Wolfus got it.

Was gonna try, but no point now.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, shouting Lawrence! into the desert at September 11, 2020 11:17 AM (UWqZJ)

AHEM.

Now to read the content.

Posted by: Virginian at September 11, 2020 11:19 AM (QCn60)

24 As I pointed out yesterday, Diana was one of the few "Bond Girls" (Jane Seymour being the other I can think of) who went to to have a career after her Bond film. Of course Diana was a Big Deal at that point already.

Lazenby, I haven't seen the film in some years, but in my memory he was no worse than Roger Moore and pretty darn good for his first (?) movie.

The film itself is a very good adaptation of the Fleming novel. There's a neat no-gadget moment: Blofeld (Telly Savalas) has locked Bond up in the cable car motor blockhouse. The only way he has to get out is to climb hand-over-hand on the cable to the other side. No gadgets: He pulls out his pockets, tears them off, and uses them as gloves on the greasy cable. Nice touch.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 11, 2020 11:19 AM (Ejm1K)

25 I will miss Diana Rigg.
Posted by: Michael Jackson

She Ws Purty.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 11, 2020 11:20 AM (xP7rZ)

26 "Today's Edition Of The Morning Rant Is Brought To You By DIY Cheesy Tater Tots"

Weird for this to be sponsored by Brian Stelter if you ask me.

Posted by: Augustine at September 11, 2020 11:20 AM (Alp4m)

27 "One more thing: Consider Trump's recent EO banning the teaching of Critical Race theory in federal government training programs. Do you think Bush, if he were still president, would do something like that?"

Not a chance. They know Trump is cutting into their innards in ways others wouldn't even contemplate.

Posted by: Ordinary American at September 11, 2020 11:20 AM (H8QX8)

28 Gorilla!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Mostly Peaceful, Free WA, Buy Ammo at September 11, 2020 11:20 AM (ifmtJ)

29 What, no pictures of her from her Game of Throne days?

Posted by: BurtTC at September 11, 2020 11:20 AM (hku12)

30 Martha Stewart and Guy Fieri.

Posted by: WitchDoktor at September 11, 2020 11:20 AM (2BgZB)

31 It's quite alright. She's just having a rest. We have all the time in the world.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 11, 2020 11:20 AM (LxTcq)

32 Diana Rigg and James Bond, briefly

And dat Nationalism Booty...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Mostly Peaceful, Free WA, Buy Ammo at September 11, 2020 11:21 AM (ifmtJ)

33 I have a bacon wrapped brisket on the pellet grill. Not sure if I am going to wrap it or not. Looks like the bacon is keeping it moist enough.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at September 11, 2020 11:21 AM (JUOKG)

34 OM...the fires around here has been bad (two more set last night near the house) but Oregon looks a mess. How you doing?

Posted by: Diogenes at September 11, 2020 11:21 AM (axyOa)

35 I can't quite put my finger on it but there's something about that cheerleader I like.

Posted by: Northernlurker, don't pay me no mind at September 11, 2020 11:21 AM (lgiXo)

36 inre the rant, even at the time I was pretty well against nation building for a bunch of terrorists. Figured that incents bad behavior.

Killing terrorists breeds more terrorists? Fine. Bombs are cheap, especially when you buy in bulk.

Posted by: WitchDoktor at September 11, 2020 11:21 AM (2BgZB)

37 No one said a word about Diana Rigg poisoning King Joffrey.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 11, 2020 11:21 AM (xP7rZ)

38 The neocons don't care about this and the country club/CoC/establishment wing abhor it. In fact, they've pretty much thrown in with the other side. Trump, on the hand, is enthusiastically on our side here.

Here's the thing I've concluded from the last four years...we were on Bush's side, Trump is on ours.

Posted by: Laughing in Texas at September 11, 2020 11:21 AM (94rXL)

39 For once I knew both names and what they was in.

And Ms. Rigg had wonderfully beautiful eyes. RIP.

Posted by: Pug Mahon (xPJvm), All Het Up Again at September 11, 2020 11:22 AM (xPJvm)

40 Laurence Olivier did a made-for-teevee production of King Lear late in life, in which Diana Rigg played his daughter Regan. IIRC, she was terrifying.

Need to go watch that again.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at September 11, 2020 11:22 AM (dfRN6)

41 Who's that weighing in on the Nationalism side in that Nationalism/Globalism picture? You know, for science reasons.

Posted by: Gaff at September 11, 2020 11:22 AM (jPS2y)

42 I think Pic no 2 of Diana is actually Ann-Margret. Not complaining by any means!

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 11, 2020 11:22 AM (Ejm1K)

43 George would actually have made a great Bond if they'd have continued. Too bad OHMSS was such a scattered mess - but not as bad as some recent efforts. As always, RIP Mrs. Peel.

Oh, and Kamala Harris already vetting VP choices:

https://tinyurl.com/y6ec6nsf

(bee)

Posted by: clutch cargo at September 11, 2020 11:22 AM (8B6Ng)

44 Have they noticed that Bush doesn't seem to like us very much?

Posted by: blaster at September 11, 2020 11:22 AM (ZfRYq)

45 That bus driver body slam was something else.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at September 11, 2020 11:22 AM (H5knJ)

46 Who dis
Jane Fonda and Charlotte Heston in The Odd Couple

Posted by: Hughbetcha at September 11, 2020 11:22 AM (voJdg)

47 OM...the fires around here has been bad (two more set last night near the house) but Oregon looks a mess. How you doing?
Posted by: Diogenes at September 11, 2020 11:21 AM (axyOa)

What the hell?! Is your town full of pyromaniacs?

Posted by: Jordan61 at September 11, 2020 11:22 AM (Ez6QX)

48 Bush: "Islam is a religion of peace" + "let's flood the US with muslims."

/not a fan any more

Posted by: shibumi, awaiting SMOD at September 11, 2020 11:23 AM (ZCiJZ)

49 What a Dame.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 11, 2020 11:23 AM (/EuRN)

50 Dianna Rigg is the first who 'dis I've actually recognized so yay me.

Posted by: Northernlurker, don't pay me no mind at September 11, 2020 11:23 AM (lgiXo)

51 What's even more fascinating is that lefties like Chrissy Hayes used to detest Dubya, but now they think he is a thoughtful and wise Republican. The polar opposite of OrangeMan.

Posted by: Curly Shuffle at September 11, 2020 11:23 AM (ch6++)

52 If you have Netflix, and you haven't yet cancelled over their latest scandal "Cuties," stay until you've watched this new documentary -- sounds like it may be good. I heard Tristan Harris interviewed last week: "The Social Dilemma."

The film's interviewees include Tristan Harris of the Center for Humane Technology; the co-inventor of the Facebook "Like" button, Justin Rosenstein; Tim Kendall, former President of Pinterest and former Director of Monetization at Facebook; Cathy O'Neil, author of "Weapons of Math Destruction"; and Rashida Richardson, Director of Policy at the AI Now Institute.

https://tinyurl.com/y396dp4k

Posted by: Lizzy at September 11, 2020 11:24 AM (bDqIh)

53 33
I have a bacon wrapped brisket on the pellet grill. Not sure if I am
going to wrap it or not. Looks like the bacon is keeping it moist
enough.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at September 11, 2020 11:21 AM (JUOKG)

watch your temps. I had a bacon wrapped pork loin go 3 alarm fire on me at 180 degrees. Grease popped and got under the tray. Smoked it quicker than I expected.

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at September 11, 2020 11:24 AM (k/TB6)

54 Diana Rigg has a daughter, she was in a Netflix show called The Detectorists.

Posted by: Jordan61 at September 11, 2020 11:24 AM (Ez6QX)

55 37 No one said a word about Diana Rigg poisoning King Joffrey.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 11, 2020 11:21 AM (xP7rZ)

She did nothing wrong

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Mostly Peaceful, Free WA, Buy Ammo at September 11, 2020 11:24 AM (ifmtJ)

56 What a Dame.
Posted by: Warai-otoko

The gams on that dame!

Posted by: rickb223 at September 11, 2020 11:24 AM (xP7rZ)

57 Gotta admit, I didn't read the small text quote from media douchebag guy.

Here's the story on Bush: Initially he sounded the right notes. Then he said Islam was "mostly peaceful."

It was downhill from there. All the scorn heaped on him and his administration, and he had no fight. Which is odd, because it turns out we were killing Iraqis and Afghans like it was our religion.

So for some of us, when it became clear we were going to have perpetual war, and nothing of any value was being accomplished, we got tired of seeing our young men going over there to be maimed and killed... just to enrich the Military Industrial Complex.

And we were reminded that war is a last resort kind of thing. One of my greatest regrets in this world was ever trusting the Bushco crime family. Period.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 11, 2020 11:24 AM (hku12)

58 Found out some more info on the wiped cell phones used by the Mueller team; a) it explains a lot, b) you're not going to like it. Turns out that the DOJ has known about this for almost 2 years now; that they have already accepted the explanation that these wipings were "accidental"; and that the DOJ itself has worked to keep this information hidden from us.

The reason it's come out is because Tom Fitton and Judicial Watch filed an FOIA lawsuit some time ago, and the DOJ grudgingly released some information it should have released long ago. This information was part of what they released. No prosecution on this one - the decision has already been made.

in simplest terms, yeah, they got away with it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 11, 2020 11:24 AM (Kpl3J)

59 I understand CA, but why is OR on fire? Isn't OR a wet climate?

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at September 11, 2020 11:24 AM (xfb67)

60 On of my favorite TV shows is The Avengers. Diana Rigg and Patrick Macnee had a great on screen chemistry. On Her Majesty's Secret Service is one of the best Bond movies. Lazenby is a bit of stiff but it was his first role and he was learning on the job. It's a great story and action scenes.

Here's Lazenby on Rigg's passing:

I'm
so sad to hear of the death of Diana Rigg. She undoubtedly raised my
acting game when we made On Her Majesty's Secret Service together in
1968-9. I remember the press conference at the Dorchester in London,
knowing she was going to play my wife. We had fun together on the set of
the movie in Switzerland and Portugal. Her depth of experience really
helped me. We were good friends on set. Much was made of our supposed
differences but that was the Press looking for a news story. I was sorry
to have lost my wife in the film at the end. The death of Contessa
Teresa di Vincenzo Draco created a memorable cinema moment over 50 years
ago. As my new bride, Tracy Bond, I wept for her loss. Now, upon
hearing of Dame Diana's death, I weep again. My deepest condolences for
her family. Love George xx

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 11, 2020 11:25 AM (96SSR)

61 By the end of his administration, I came to the conclusion that Bush 43 would have made a better SoS than he did a president. He was a domestic policy disaster artist. Medicare Part D. No Child Left Behind. Formation of the DHS. Unchecked deficits. The hits just kept coming.

In foreign policy, he did some very good things. He rallied into a war footing when the Islamic terrorists took the gloves off. He realigned a lot of diplomacy from Europe to the Pacific (the 4x4 alliance effort). He was poor on trade (everyone was and still except Trump and his group), but generally solid - if not as innovative as Trump - on foreign policy.

I liked Bush 43. I still think he is probably a decent person. I do also think, though, that he was a domestic policy failure across most aspects of his administration. And I came to that conclusion *during* his administration. It is also all about context - he wasn't the nightmare that Gore or Kerry would have been.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 11, 2020 11:25 AM (Q8c/L)

62 W is most definitely a fighter. He fights hard against paleocons AKA America First conservatives.

Neocon sellouts, globalist free traders, and the left? He won't fight them at all because he's on their side.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at September 11, 2020 11:25 AM (WSNPg)

63 Why does "Welcome to the Jungle" play in my head everytime I see the gorilla picture?

Posted by: Dave in Fla at September 11, 2020 11:26 AM (KONur)

64 I also predict that Game of Thrones will be forgotten in 10 years.

Part of that is on the Weiss Bennioff HBO series and part of that is on George RR Martin himself.

The man can write, but he can't produce on time and he's built a house on sand. There's nothing of substance in Game of Thrones. It will be forgotten like most of the 90's fantasy series.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Mostly Peaceful, Free WA, Buy Ammo at September 11, 2020 11:26 AM (ifmtJ)

65 ***PSA***

Ozark MoMe, at the Lake of the Ozarks (MO),Oct. 11-12th. Contact info is in MoMe announcement at the left. I think we'll have enough 'rons to make it happen.

"Welkommen! Bienvenue! Welcome!
Fremde, �tranger. stranger!
Zooo... do you like Helga?
Too bad! So does Rosie!"

Posted by: mnw at September 11, 2020 11:26 AM (Cssks)

66 I think Dianna Rigg had a wonderfully pretty and expressive face.

Posted by: Northernlurker, don't pay me no mind at September 11, 2020 11:26 AM (lgiXo)

67 58...in simplest terms, yeah, they got away with it.
=====

Ah the "no reasonable prosecutor" excuse

Posted by: Pliney at September 11, 2020 11:26 AM (nzKWW)

68 >>What's even more fascinating is that lefties like Chrissy Hayes used to detest Dubya, but now they think he is a thoughtful and wise Republican. The polar opposite of OrangeMan.

This is always the way. The Left love to pretend to appreciate *dead* Republicans so that they can be used to attack whatever current Republican is fighting them.

They haaaated Reagan, they haaaated W., and I don' buy it that any of them now have belated respect or appreciation for them in the time of #OrangeManBad.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 11, 2020 11:26 AM (bDqIh)

69 I have a bacon wrapped brisket on the pellet grill. Not sure if I am

going to wrap it or not. Looks like the bacon is keeping it moist

enough.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at September 11, 2020 11:21 AM (JUOKG)

watch
your temps. I had a bacon wrapped pork loin go 3 alarm fire on me at
180 degrees. Grease popped and got under the tray. Smoked it quicker
than I expected.

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at September 11, 2020 11:24 AM

---

It will be ok. I will set it in a deep pan when it gets up to about 165. It would have to put out 3 gallons of fat to overflow that pan.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at September 11, 2020 11:26 AM (JUOKG)

70 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at September 11, 2020 11:26 AM (IXZGh)

71 AND I read the content.

Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at September 11, 2020 11:27 AM (IXZGh)

72 63 Why does "Welcome to the Jungle" play in my head everytime I see the gorilla picture?
Posted by: Dave in Fla at September 11, 2020 11:26 AM (KONur)

That's not Axl Rose. Easy mistake, though.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 11, 2020 11:27 AM (/EuRN)

73 I understand CA, but why is OR on fire? Isn't OR a wet climate?

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at September 11, 2020 11:24 AM (xfb67)

I think Eastern Or. is pretty dry.

Posted by: BignJames at September 11, 2020 11:27 AM (X/Pw5)

74 Who's that weighing in on the Nationalism side in that Nationalism/Globalism picture? You know, for science reasons.

Posted by: Gaff at September 11, 2020 11:22 AM (jPS2y)

Pretty sure it's Melania.

Posted by: SturmToddler at September 11, 2020 11:28 AM (+NdM9)

75 What the hell?! Is your town full of pyromaniacs?

Posted by: Jordan61

Seems that way. Bonney Lake was one of the little suburb towns that had a couple hundred armed bubbas show up when Antifa said they were coming to town. The Antifa shitheads didn't stop but now it's eff you, we'll burn your town down.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 11, 2020 11:28 AM (axyOa)

76 the memes are killing me
awesome selections, OM!

Posted by: vmom 2020 - 13 Hours Book Review at September 11, 2020 11:28 AM (nUhF0)

77 Oh, and while it's a cute meme, it's highly improbable that Kim's sister is going to take over Nork when he dies.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 11, 2020 11:28 AM (hku12)

78 >>I understand CA, but why is OR on fire? Isn't OR a wet climate?

antifa setting fires

Posted by: Lizzy at September 11, 2020 11:28 AM (bDqIh)

79
Geez, co-inventor of the Facebook "Like" button!

My friends, we are standing in the presence of greatness! We'll be lucky if we do not spontaneously combust.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at September 11, 2020 11:28 AM (pNxlR)

80 I hope future conservative/Republican presidents don't slip and make the mistake of thinking they have to play nice with the corrupt media.

Posted by: Northernlurker, don't pay me no mind at September 11, 2020 11:28 AM (lgiXo)

81 The thing about Bush was that he was a neocon, a Republican liberal. What that means is he couldn't come out and say he was a lefty because then he would have been rejected. He had to use terms like compassionate conservatism to hide that he meant expanded welfare and open borders. He was a lying dirtbag and it took Republicans a while to figure out his game because conservatives used to be blinded by politicians that said Jesus! and didn't look any further.
People have gotten smarter. Trump provides results. And when he starts swaying left with his policies, like the Venezuela thing or the kneeling national guard, people speak out and he pulls back. How can you be angry at that?

Posted by: squid_hunt at September 11, 2020 11:28 AM (S5OQe)

82 47 OM...the fires around here has been bad (two more set last night near the house) but Oregon looks a mess. How you doing?
Posted by: Diogenes at September 11, 2020 11:21 AM (axyOa)

What the hell?! Is your town full of pyromaniacs?
Posted by: Jordan61 at September 11, 2020 11:22 AM (Ez6QX)

Fires are within 10-12 miles of my house. We don't think we'll have to evacuate, but if it gets to us, it will have burned most of Springfield first. The skies are smoky and filled with ash. It's like Mordor out there.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at September 11, 2020 11:28 AM (1OOhd)

83 That one video featuring Metro Transit Cop body-slamming the punk never gets old.

Pity, we don't have the video of said punk as he tells the tale to his homies in d'hood. Because you know his line of B.S. would be Comedy Gold!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 11, 2020 11:28 AM (QzJWU)

84 37
No one said a word about Diana Rigg poisoning King Joffrey.

james bond didn't marry here because she could cook...

Posted by: Anachronda at September 11, 2020 11:28 AM (sGtp+)

85 Bush tried to get along with the media. Trump has made the media his bitch.

Not enough, IMO. If he wins a second term, I want scorched earth on those treasonous bastards. RICO them, doxx them, SWAT them, make them commit suicide.

Pull every damned pass and have a battalion of Marines toss them out at bayonet point.

There is no requirement in the Constitution for the President to provide accommodations to domestic enemies. You say the media is the enemy of the American people, Mr Present, so treat them that way. Don't make it a sick joke like "lock her up."

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 11, 2020 11:29 AM (2JVJo)

86 Woman on the right in that pic isn't bad looking at all... just gets drowned out by the Bratislava Badonkadonk.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 11, 2020 11:29 AM (/EuRN)

87 Fires are within 10-12 miles of my house. We don't think we'll have to evacuate, but if it gets to us, it will have burned most of Springfield first. The skies are smoky and filled with ash. It's like Mordor out there.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at September 11, 2020 11:28 AM (1OOhd)

Our news is saying the smoke is going to start blowing up this way, starting today.

Posted by: Jordan61 at September 11, 2020 11:29 AM (Ez6QX)

88 And the Kim meme is wrong. Mrs. Woodrow Wilson was modern history's first evil female dictator.

On the plus side, the Madame Kim isn't hideous to look at.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 11, 2020 11:30 AM (Q8c/L)

89 I think a lot of the left's criticism of W. is essentially right: he was a lackwit who coasted on his family's name his whole life.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at September 11, 2020 11:30 AM (H5knJ)

90 73 I understand CA, but why is OR on fire? Isn't OR a wet climate?

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at September 11, 2020 11:24 AM (xfb67)

Western Oregon is wet. East Oregon is like the dark side of the moon.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at September 11, 2020 11:30 AM (1OOhd)

91
I think Eastern Or. is pretty dry.
Posted by: BignJames at September 11, 2020 11:27 AM (X/Pw5)

Land east of the Cascade Mountains generally is significantly drier than land west of them. This applies in both OR and WA.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at September 11, 2020 11:30 AM (pNxlR)

92 The late Mrs. Emma Peel and Bond. James Bond.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Enemy of the Deep State Swamp at September 11, 2020 11:30 AM (HaL55)

93 Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 11, 2020 11:29 AM (2JVJo)

Could you perhaps share the pattern from which your jib is cut?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 11, 2020 11:30 AM (/EuRN)

94 I'll say that I think Bush 43 did a good job in his first two years in office. I can't say I'd have done too much different than he did working against AQ.

But after that...I think he's a good, Christian man but he was far, far to willing to work with Democrats and give them what they wanted. After 2004, when the Leftists purged all moderates and conservatives from their party, that was madness.

He was weak vs his domestic enemies.

I give him credit for the Surge but he had no plan for post-victory in Iraq or any plan of victory in AfPak.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Mostly Peaceful, Free WA, Buy Ammo at September 11, 2020 11:30 AM (ifmtJ)

95 I was hoping for pictures of thots

Posted by: brak at September 11, 2020 11:30 AM (cG+eD)

96 >>sounds like it may be good. I heard Tristan Harris interviewed last week: "The Social Dilemma."

Watched it last night.

Posted by: Zod at September 11, 2020 11:31 AM (yvnmY)

97 I was hoping for pictures of thots
Posted by: brak at September 11, 2020 11:30 AM (cG+eD)
+++++++++++
Hmm. Friday THOTday?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 11, 2020 11:31 AM (Q8c/L)

98 I understand CA, but why is OR on fire? Isn't OR a wet climate?

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at September 11, 2020 11:24 AM (xfb67)

I think Eastern Or. is pretty dry.

Posted by: BignJames

From what I'm seeing on the map it seems to generally follow the I-5 corridor (all west side). It gets dry in the summer. I read earlier over 500,000 told to evacuate.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 11, 2020 11:31 AM (axyOa)

99 88 And the Kim meme is wrong. Mrs. Woodrow Wilson was modern history's first evil female dictator.

On the plus side, the Madame Kim isn't hideous to look at.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 11, 2020 11:30 AM (Q8c/L)

Should she ever take power the media will gush about her looks.

Posted by: Northernlurker, don't pay me no mind at September 11, 2020 11:31 AM (lgiXo)

100 Willowed, but I'm posting this here because I think it's apropos:

...Within a couple of weeks, the Democrats had decided that America was to blame, and were spinning up new conspiracy theories every day. "Jet fuel can't melt steel!", "It's the Jews", etc. Get most Democrats talking, and they'll show that they still believe that Bush ordered it.

I'm no fan of the Bushes, but the idea that the same CIA and FBI that spent four years manufacturing hoaxes against Trump would have concealed information damaging to a Republican administration is risible.
Posted by: Cato, Dread Pirate in Training at September 11, 2020 10:56 AM (qxTXc)

9/11, but specifically the Democrats' actions toward Bush around the War on Terror, was the time when my usual annoyance with them turned into something else.

A big problem that I have with the Democrats is that they acted as a Fifth Column, providing aid and comfort to the enemy during the time when it looked like we would waver in our support of the war.

When they should have kept their mouths shut, they were looking to impeach Bush for lying. This gave the enemy the resolve to keep on hammering our troops.

I would even be slightly ok with that, if the Dems actually believed that Bush committed some sort of war crime. If they really believed that, they should have arrested him as soon as he left the White House. The fact that they didn't told me that the whole episode was merely a political stunt, and they didn't even believe their accusations.

That, above anything else, sealed my negative opinion of the Democratic Party - and decorum forces me to leave it at that.

They actively undermined our troops in the Middle East, sacrificing them on the altar of politics.

I can't forgive them for that.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at September 11, 2020 11:27 AM (6xA3t)

Posted by: Darrell Harris at September 11, 2020 11:31 AM (6xA3t)

101 I would eat all the tater tots.

I'd be ashamed after but I would eat them all.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 11, 2020 11:31 AM (s4dNo)

102 Arguably the best Bond , Lazenby was saddled with a terrible plot and the obnoxious , overtop, and scenery chewing Telly Savalas as a villain. He should have been given another Bond flick. Still, he and Dame Diana were great together, and she, was wonderful in everything. Most boomer males got through adolescence with Diana Rigg in those catsuits. And the funniest thing was, her character was smart and funny, and a bit mysterious I miss those days. Raquel Welch turned 80 on Sept. 5th. I hope she lives a great long time cause that 's my whole passing before my eyes..

Posted by: Michael at September 11, 2020 11:32 AM (aFw7/)

103 W is a better artist than President. And he's a terrible artist.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at September 11, 2020 11:32 AM (WSNPg)

104

19 years ago today I was in deep triple canopy jungle and caves on the Belize/Guatemala border running survival training for some dudes.

We didn't hear until we came out 4 days later.

Posted by: My Pimp Shot My Dealer at September 11, 2020 11:32 AM (d6DSt)

105 Bush the Lesser was not good for our country. I am now not sure that Gore would have been worse. Probably not.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at September 11, 2020 11:32 AM (pw+jk)

106 I also predict that Game of Thrones will be forgotten in 10 years.

Part of that is on the Weiss Bennioff HBO series and part of that is on George RR Martin himself.

The man can write, but he can't produce on time and he's built a house on sand. There's nothing of substance in Game of Thrones. It will be forgotten like most of the 90's fantasy series.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Mostly Peaceful, Free WA, Buy Ammo at September 11, 2020 11:26 AM (ifmtJ)

It's like the Matrix series. People feel dirty for having bought into the initial premise, given what they did with it.

Unlike Star Wars, where the initial fantasy is still valued by many, and if necessary they simply refuse to accept the mess Dinsey made of it.

Now, I've never watched a single episode of Lost, and really to this day still have no idea what it was about, but people still talk about it, even those who say they hate where it ended up.

So there's something there... and I suspect it is a solid vision from the creators. They knew where it was going, even if we didn't. And that's what shows in the end.

So yeah, GoT? Not even Martin knows where it was supposed to end, and when HBO took over full control, they decide to make it a trite soap opera. Garbage.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 11, 2020 11:32 AM (hku12)

107 "But after trillions of dollars and thousands of American lives lost,
what do we have to show for it? I'm not sure maintaining a constant U.S.
military presence in the Mideast is cost effective. For example,
Afghanistan. We can certainly fight the Taliban, but the Afghans are
going to have to step up their game."
Replace the word "Afghanistan" with "Vietnam."Replace "Taliban" with "Vietcong" and/or "NVA."
The only difference is about 50 years.

Posted by: RobM1981 at September 11, 2020 11:32 AM (XLvMr)

108 87 Fires are within 10-12 miles of my house. We don't think we'll have to evacuate, but if it gets to us, it will have burned most of Springfield first. The skies are smoky and filled with ash. It's like Mordor out there.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at September 11, 2020 11:28 AM (1OOhd)

Our news is saying the smoke is going to start blowing up this way, starting today.
Posted by: Jordan61

Seattle is full of smoke. My office is full of smoke. Everything smells like a campfire and the caveman part of my brain is telling me to get the hell out of town.

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 11, 2020 11:32 AM (W2Pud)

109 I binge-watched Insoms Twitter a few days ago. Gave myself cramps laughing. I will have to compose myself when I see Cup-o-Noodles or Hot Pockets or stuffing mix in the store.

Posted by: Mongerel at September 11, 2020 11:32 AM (8b8Sh)

110 You say the media is the enemy of the American people, Mr Present, so treat them that way. Don't make it a sick joke like "lock her up."
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 11, 2020 11:29 AM (2JVJo)

Indeed.

Posted by: Ordinary American at September 11, 2020 11:32 AM (H8QX8)

111 I would eat all the tater tots.

I'd be ashamed after but I would eat them all.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 11, 2020 11:31 AM (s4dNo)

I'd like a chili cheeseburger, too.

Posted by: BignJames at September 11, 2020 11:33 AM (X/Pw5)

112 74 Who's that weighing in on the Nationalism side in that Nationalism/Globalism picture? You know, for science reasons.

Posted by: Gaff at September 11, 2020 11:22 AM (jPS2y)

That's our First Lady.

On the right, it looks like it could be Macron's wife, but I'm not sure.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at September 11, 2020 11:33 AM (1OOhd)

113 >>Not enough, IMO. If he wins a second term, I want
scorched earth on those treasonous bastards. RICO them, doxx them, SWAT
them, make them commit suicide. Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 11, 2020 11:29 AM (2JVJo)

Trump Imperial Involuntary Commitment Zoo and House of Oddities: Press Wing.

Posted by: Zod at September 11, 2020 11:33 AM (u4/yY)

114 all right, off to class.

9/11/01 Never Forget, Never Forgive

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Mostly Peaceful, Free WA, Buy Ammo at September 11, 2020 11:33 AM (ifmtJ)

115 I'm
so sad to hear of the death of Diana Rigg. She undoubtedly raised my acting game when we made On Her Majesty's Secret Service together in
1968-9. I remember the press conference at the Dorchester in London, knowing she was going to play my wife. We had fun together on the set of
the movie in Switzerland and Portugal. Her depth of experience really helped me. We were good friends on set. Much was made of our supposed differences but that was the Press looking for a news story. . . . As my new bride, Tracy Bond, I wept for her loss. Now, upon
hearing of Dame Diana's death, I weep again. My deepest condolences for her family. Love George xx

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 11, 2020

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A class act, George. I didn't know he was still alive. Must be close to 80?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 11, 2020 11:33 AM (Ejm1K)

116 >>Watched it last night.

Any good?

I know that "co-inventor of the Like button" is silly, but think of how much social media activity is driven in attempt to get more "likes"?

Posted by: Lizzy at September 11, 2020 11:33 AM (bDqIh)

117 Richard Grenell
@RichardGrenell
. @realDonaldTrump nominated for a SECOND Nobel Peace Prize for historic Kosovo-Serbia Agreement. @avucic @Avdullah

-
Of course, that's nothing compared to Obozo's affirmative action prize.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at September 11, 2020 11:34 AM (+y/Ru)

118 A new contender for Worst Human Being in America has emerged:

Rhode Island University professor defends Antifa gunman who killed a Trump supporter by saying 'there's nothing wrong with it from a moral perspective because he was fascist'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8721235/ University-professor-says-wrong-moral -perspective-Antifa-killing-fascist.html

"Erik Loomis, a history professor at the University of Rhode Island, has defended the killing of Patriot Prayer supporter Aaron Danielson.

Danielson was killed by Antifa supporter Michael Reinoehl in Portland, Oregon

'He killed a fascist. I see nothing wrong with it, at least from a moral perspective,' Loomis wrote about the August 29th killing."

This man is a full professor at a major university.

Looks like this professor just committed suicide-by-stranger.

By his own rules, now, if anyone deems you to be a "fascist," then it is open season on you, and killing you is not a crime.

I deem such a philosophy to be fascistic.

Ooops, that means Eric Loomis is a fascist too.

What does Eric Loomis want to happen to fascists?

Posted by: zombie at September 11, 2020 11:34 AM (HEEq1)

119 Bush the Lesser was not good for our country. I am now not sure that Gore would have been worse. Probably not.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at September 11, 2020 11:32 AM (pw+jk)

Oh c'mon, man.

Posted by: BignJames at September 11, 2020 11:34 AM (X/Pw5)

120 And the Kim meme is wrong. Mrs. Woodrow Wilson was modern history's first evil female dictator.

On the plus side, the Madame Kim isn't hideous to look at.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 11, 2020 11:30 AM (Q8c/L)

Quite right on both counts.

She's definitely a 1. Although I suppose it might be the human equivalent of the black widow spider experience for the male who is "lucky" enough to reach the promised land.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 11, 2020 11:34 AM (hku12)

121 A class act, George. I didn't know he was still alive. Must be close to 80?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 11, 2020 11:33 AM (Ejm1K)

He's 81.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 11, 2020 11:34 AM (96SSR)

122 That bus driver body slam was something else.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at September 11, 2020 11:22 AM (H5knJ)

Then you'll like this Steve Inman call on a cop taking down a Karen:

https://tinyurl.com/y3gcrgjb

Posted by: clutch cargo at September 11, 2020 11:35 AM (8B6Ng)

123 Fires are within 10-12 miles of my house. We don't think we'll have to evacuate, but if it gets to us, it will have burned most of Springfield first. The skies are smoky and filled with ash. It's like Mordor out there.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at September 11, 2020 11:28 AM (1OOhd)
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The smoke in Portland this morning is worse than it was yesterday. I've nver seen smoke from wildfires this bad, and I lived in the SFV in '92 when we were eurrounded by fires on three sides.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Task Group Cluebat at September 11, 2020 11:35 AM (Rk6Cp)

124 Geez, OM, Jordan61, Diogenes and nurse ratched, that does not sound good -- stay safe from the fires!!

Posted by: Lizzy at September 11, 2020 11:36 AM (bDqIh)

125 Mornin' all.. What did Trump do now?

Posted by: It's me donna at September 11, 2020 11:36 AM (Zmnko)

126 We only saw Mr. Peel from behind. Maybe that's him.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 11, 2020 11:36 AM (63Dwl)

127 I understand CA, but why is OR on fire? Isn't OR a wet climate?

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at September 11, 2020 11:24 AM (xfb67)

Western Oregon is wet. East Oregon is like the dark side of the moon.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at September 11, 2020

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*

Eastern Oregon has high desert like that of New Mexico. It's in the rain shadow of the Cascades.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 11, 2020 11:36 AM (Ejm1K)

128 Richard Grenell

@RichardGrenell

. @realDonaldTrump nominated for a SECOND Nobel Peace Prize for historic Kosovo-Serbia Agreement. @avucic @Avdullah

-

Of course, that's nothing compared to Obozo's affirmative action prize.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at September 11, 2020 11:34 AM

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obama's Nobel Peace prize was more of a participation trophy.

What chapped my a$$ was he could have said, nope not accepting it because I haven't done anything, but he did not do that.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at September 11, 2020 11:36 AM (JUOKG)

129 A class act, George. I didn't know he was still alive. Must be close to 80?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius

He's 81. Diana was 82.

B. 1939 & 1938.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 11, 2020 11:36 AM (xP7rZ)

130
*Gorilla*

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 11, 2020 11:36 AM (EGyGV)

131 Insom is on the twatters?

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 11, 2020 11:36 AM (W2Pud)

132 "Dad, thanks for taking me to the zoo."
"You're welcome, son. President Trump has really done his best to present the specimens in their natural environment. Which part did you like best?"
"I liked the place where they had the skateboarders and the girls with rings in their noses."
"What about the "Press Box?""
"It was okay....but you couldn't hear them because of the plexiglas lid on their enclosure. You could see that they were talking, but you couldn't really hear them."
"Well, yes, son. They were talking. That's part of their natural behavior. But we've heard them talk for too long, so the glass is there to give us some peace. Now we just feed them and look at them."

Posted by: Zod at September 11, 2020 11:37 AM (u4/yY)

133 I loved your commentary regarding Bush, and agree with you completely. He gambled on creating a democracy in an Islamist country and lost. However, here is a bit of information in regard to his not responding to personal attacks.

He ran for Governor in Texas against Ann Richards, a nasty, weaselly, dyed-in-the-wool blue dog dem. She's the one who embarrassed Texans during the Dukakis DNC - "Poor ol George wuz born with a silver spoon in his mayouth". A perfect caricature of what Yankees think of Texans. It was a cringe-worthy overloaded accent like what Hillary would effect when speaking in a Black church.

Anyhow, I digress. She was a nasty, insulting you know what. Bush came right out in the beginning and stated that he would not engage in mudslinging under any circumstances and that he would stick to the issues at hand. And that's just what he did. The more she derided and insulted him, the better he looked by not responding in kind. When asked about it, he would say I"m not responding to that, let's talk about the issues. That's what got him elected twice as Governor down here, so naturally since he had success with that he continued that way as President. I do think he should have acknowledged it, like in a press conference saying "I'm not literally Satan", he should have acknowledged it and made fun of that.

Bush's major mistake, in my opinion, was the bank bailouts. He should have allowed those "too big to fail" banks to fail. Smaller banks with honest lending practices would have grown and taken up the slack.

Posted by: Happy at September 11, 2020 11:37 AM (F+55o)

134 124 Geez, OM, Jordan61, Diogenes and nurse ratched, that does not sound good -- stay safe from the fires!!

Praying for you... I know what it's like to be evacuated.. Last years NorCal fire had us do that.. Didn't get too close thank goodness..

Posted by: It's me donna at September 11, 2020 11:37 AM (Zmnko)

135 128 obama's Nobel Peace prize was more of a participation trophy.

What chapped my a$$ was he could have said, nope not accepting it because I haven't done anything, but he did not do that.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at September 11, 2020 11:36 AM (JUOKG)

========

I think he donated the money, though.

Probably to some lefty cause, of course.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, shouting Lawrence! into the desert at September 11, 2020 11:38 AM (UWqZJ)

136 Catherine the Great is not impressed.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 11, 2020 11:38 AM (qdJUX)

137 That's our First Lady.

On the right, it looks like it could be Macron's wife, but I'm not sure.
Posted by: OregonMuse

I thought Mrs. Macron was as equally as hot.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 11, 2020 11:38 AM (xP7rZ)

138 Alyssa Rosenberg@AlyssaRosenberg
Replying to @AlyssaRosenberg
Two things are simultaneously true: #Cuties depicts disturbing, age-inappropriate behavior by young girls, AND it unequivocally views that behavior as sad and harmful to the girls involved.

-
Three: Adults made those young girls engage in disturbing, age-inappropriate behavior and filmed it so the adults could make money.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at September 11, 2020 11:38 AM (+y/Ru)

139 "Most boomer males got through adolescence with Diana Rigg in those
catsuits. And the funniest thing was, her character was smart and funny,
and a bit mysterious I miss those days."

Too true! And how we envied Mr. Peel!

Posted by: Brown Line at September 11, 2020 11:38 AM (S6ArX)

140 47 OM...the fires around here has been bad (two more set last night near the house) but Oregon looks a mess. How you doing?
Posted by: Diogenes at September 11, 2020 11:21 AM (axyOa)

What the hell?! Is your town full of pyromaniacs?
Posted by: Jordan61 at September 11, 2020 11:22 AM (Ez6QX)

It astounds me that the MSM really isn't covering the west coast fires at all. I remember other years when smaller fires than this got wall to wall coverage, but today, unless you're on the west coast, it's crickets.

I guess they've decided this doesn't fit the narrative.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 11, 2020 11:39 AM (Kpl3J)

141 I appreciate Bush's military retribution. I don't appreciate his war execution. The Iraqi CPA was a clusterfuck and the overall ROE's in for AFG and IRQ deteriorated over time into giant shitballs that got my brothers killed. Bush had no real, achievable endgame or timeline. That's why we are where we are today.

Posted by: Marcus T at September 11, 2020 11:39 AM (VpIIl)

142 Arguably the best Bond , Lazenby was saddled with a
terrible plot and the obnoxious , overtop, and scenery chewing Telly
Savalas as a villain. He should have been given another Bond flick.
Still, he and Dame Diana were great together, and she, was wonderful in
everything. Most boomer males got through adolescence with Diana Rigg in
those catsuits. And the funniest thing was, her character was smart and
funny, and a bit mysterious I miss those days. Raquel Welch turned 80
on Sept. 5th. I hope she lives a great long time cause that 's my whole
passing before my eyes..

Posted by: Michael at September 11, 2020 11:32 AM (aFw7/)

I thought it was a good story one of the best. Telly is probably the best on screen Blofelds. That battle scene at the end at the Piz Gloria was great. Pleasence didn't fit the character and Charles Gray had too much of a piss elegant manner for the character.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 11, 2020 11:39 AM (96SSR)

143 The fires are all in Western OR. You can usually count on August being dry. We had a couple of light rain showers, but the ground hasn't been soaked for awhile. Lots of dry brush as they don't manage the forests like they used to. And I think the two fires in Molalla have merged. This is a big deal as Clackamas county is just south of Portland. They are starting to get jumpy there.

Posted by: notsothoreau at September 11, 2020 11:39 AM (JKNZq)

144 111 I would eat all the tater tots.

I'd be ashamed after but I would eat them all.

Posted by: AlaBAMA

I'd like a chili cheeseburger, too.
Posted by: BignJames

And a Dr. Pepper. Might as well make it a complete, balanced meal.

Posted by: Tonypete at September 11, 2020 11:39 AM (Rvt88)

145 The real who's this is Melania and Grandma Macron

Posted by: Heart of Darkness at September 11, 2020 11:40 AM (nFRLh)

146 Fires are within 10-12 miles of my house. We don't think we'll have to evacuate, but if it gets to us, it will have burned most of Springfield first. The skies are smoky and filled with ash. It's like Mordor out there.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at September 11, 2020 11:28 AM (1OOhd)

Our news is saying the smoke is going to start blowing up this way, starting today.

Posted by: Jordan61

Yeah, getting the same data here.
OM...any particular smells we should be looking forward to?

Posted by: Diogenes at September 11, 2020 11:40 AM (axyOa)

147 He should have allowed those "too big to fail" banks to fail. Smaller banks with honest lending practices would have grown and taken up the slack.

Posted by: Happy at September 11, 2020 11:37 AM (F+55o)

It was the Fed Govt's lending practices. They forced it onto every bank and sued the ones that weren't complying. The small ones that had good lending practices were just in areas where no one with awful credit was applying for loans.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at September 11, 2020 11:40 AM (1ISKN)

148 Sarah Palin's defamation lawsuit discovery produced this gem from NYT editor James Bennet:

"I don't know what the truth is here"

A rare moment of insight for a "journalist."

Enemies of the people.

Posted by: gp's Lived Experience: Doesn't GAF Anymore at September 11, 2020 11:40 AM (qpX6U)

149 What chapped my a$$ was he could have said, nope not accepting it because I haven't done anything, but he did not do that.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at September 11, 2020 11:36 AM (JUOKG)
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Obama was brought up to believe that he was so special, he deserved everything that was given to him, that his very birth earned him lifetime dispensation against actually accomplishing anything.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at September 11, 2020 11:40 AM (WEBkv)

150 Alyssa Rosenberg@AlyssaRosenberg
Replying to @AlyssaRosenberg
Two things are simultaneously true: #Cuties depicts disturbing, age-inappropriate behavior by young girls, AND it unequivocally views that behavior as sad and harmful to the girls involved.

-
Three: Adults made those young girls engage in disturbing, age-inappropriate behavior and filmed it so the adults could make money.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at September 11, 2020 11:38 AM (+y/Ru)

And Pete Townsend had a bunch of young boi pron on his computer because he just wanted to understand it better.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 11, 2020 11:40 AM (hku12)

151

(Satchmo singing)

"We have all, the time, in the world,
time enough for life, to unfold,
all the precious things love has in store..."

Diana Rigg (RIP) and George Lazenby.
"On Her Majesty's Secret Service"

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 11, 2020 11:41 AM (s2VJv)

152 138 Alyssa Rosenberg@AlyssaRosenberg
Replying to @AlyssaRosenberg
Two things are simultaneously true: #Cuties depicts disturbing, age-inappropriate behavior by young girls, AND it unequivocally views that behavior as sad and harmful to the girls involved.

-
Three: Adults made those young girls engage in disturbing, age-inappropriate behavior and filmed it so the adults could make money.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at September 11, 2020 11:38 AM (+y/Ru)

===========

They could have told the same story with subtlety that didn't show the girls doing what they were doing, but implying it.

Instead, they focus on it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, shouting Lawrence! into the desert at September 11, 2020 11:41 AM (UWqZJ)

153
The other day when PCR was discussed in here vis-a-vis WuFlu testing, its inventor, Dr. Kary Mullis, was mentioned. Apparently, after winning the Nobel Prize for his discovery, he cashed in his winnings, chucked academia, and set out to have fun and photograph beautiful women. Or so I heard.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at September 11, 2020 11:41 AM (pNxlR)

154 I think he donated the money, though.

Probably to some lefty cause, of course.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, shouting Lawrence! into the desert at September 11, 2020 11:38 AM

===
To Obama For America.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at September 11, 2020 11:41 AM (pw+jk)

155 Bush 43 was the "right wing" of the uniparty. Once you understand that the politics of 2000-2016 make sense - from why no one in the FNM cared when Obama did the same things as Bush, or even the things they accused Bush of doing that he didn't.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 11, 2020 11:41 AM (qlFIA)

156 142 I thought it was a good story one of the best. Telly is probably the best on screen Blofelds. That battle scene at the end at the Piz Gloria was great. Pleasence didn't fit the character and Charles Gray had too much of a piss elegant manner for the character.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 11, 2020 11:39 AM (96SSR)

==========

Pleasance was my favorite Blofeld because he's completely insane in that roll. I love it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, shouting Lawrence! into the desert at September 11, 2020 11:41 AM (UWqZJ)

157 "Most boomer males got through adolescence with Diana Rigg in those
catsuits. And the funniest thing was, her character was smart and funny,
and a bit mysterious I miss those days."

Too true! And how we envied Mr. Peel!
Posted by: Brown Line at September 11, 2020

*
*

Once he was rescued from the jungle where he'd disappeared and was presumed dead, and was reunited with Emma, his life improved enormously. "Peter" was his first name -- I think.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 11, 2020 11:41 AM (Ejm1K)

158 Has today's recipe received Mr. Stelter's imprimatur?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 11, 2020 11:42 AM (DMUuz)

159 122
That bus driver body slam was something else.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at September 11, 2020 11:22 AM (H5knJ)

Yeah. That body slam was a beast mode move. Could have killed the guy if he wanted to, but took it easy on him. Ha.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at September 11, 2020 11:42 AM (GmcTy)

160 131 Insom is on the twatters?
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 11, 2020 11:36

My stupid fat fingers meant to type INMAN. rats

Posted by: Mongerel at September 11, 2020 11:42 AM (8b8Sh)

161 >>Two things are simultaneously true: #Cuties depicts disturbing, age-inappropriate behavior by young girls, AND it unequivocally views that behavior as sad and harmful to the girls involved.

Translation: "They had to make kiddie porn in order to show the world how awful kiddie porno is."

I cannot believe so many people are making this argument. I shouldn't be surprised, but I am.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 11, 2020 11:42 AM (bDqIh)

162 Connery in Dr. No was ink off the page of Fleming's novels. Until Craig he was the only Bond you could actually imagine as a heartless killer - though when Brosnan capped the French chick it was close.

Posted by: Heart of Darkness at September 11, 2020 11:42 AM (nFRLh)

163
144 111 I would eat all the tater tots.

I'd be ashamed after but I would eat them all.

Posted by: AlaBAMA

I'd like a chili cheeseburger, too.
Posted by: BignJames

And a Dr. Pepper. Might as well make it a complete, balanced meal.
Posted by: Tonypete at September 11, 2020 11:39 AM (Rvt88

And a chocolate shake.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 11, 2020 11:42 AM (s4dNo)

164 Thats it. I'm going to Dairy Queen to get the closest thing to tater tots they have. Which I assume is cheese curds and a chili cheese dog, and I will fight about it.

Posted by: Menack at September 11, 2020 11:42 AM (buTO7)

165
Like a dummy, I'm still working through JJ's thread. Here's a quote from the Gallop survey on the news media. This was from a section on people feeling overwhelmed by the amount of news.

"Given that pattern, as well as the dominance of Fox News as a media source for conservatives and the lack of an analogous news source for nonconservatives, it follows that Americans who rely on a limited number of sources in response to feeling overwhelmed are about twice as likely to cite Fox News as their primary news source than other
news outlets"

"...lack of an analogous new source for nonconservatives..."

What the fuck?

So, in Gallop's view, Fox news is geared towards the right, but the poor liberals don't have any news outlets that lean left.

Breathtaking.

Posted by: jwest at September 11, 2020 11:42 AM (/BlEx)

166 Anyone else wonder if Kate Brown is delusional and or stupid enough to believe the fires in OR are being caused by anything other than antifaBLM arsonists?

Or, does Kate actually think arsonists only operate in an urban environment?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at September 11, 2020 11:42 AM (WEBkv)

167 Three: Adults made those young girls engage in disturbing,
age-inappropriate behavior and filmed it so the adults could make money.

***

And if Joe Bob Bobby Briggs of East Nowhere, Alabama did the same thing he would go to jail.

TWO TIERED JUSTICE SYSTEM

Posted by: 18-1 at September 11, 2020 11:43 AM (qlFIA)

168
Obama was brought up to believe that he was so
special, he deserved everything that was given to him, that his very
birth earned him lifetime dispensation against actually accomplishing
anything.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
=====
That's a lie. When he was head of the Harvard Law Review he wrote... NOT a single thing.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at September 11, 2020 11:43 AM (pw+jk)

169 He should have allowed those "too big to fail" banks to fail. Smaller banks with honest lending practices would have grown and taken up the slack.
Posted by: Happy at September 11, 2020 11:37 AM (F+55o)
+++++++++++
He should have. Keep in mind, though, that Congress has plenty of culpability there, too. They rejected the first bailout, as they should have. Then they got threatened by the Federal Reserve and the Treasury Department and were told - literally - that if they didn't do it, there'd be tanks in the streets. That was not the president's decision on his own. The Congress and the President allowed themselves to be railroaded and threatened into inking the deal.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 11, 2020 11:43 AM (Q8c/L)

170 Air quality here is considered hazardous (320). I'm having problems finding out status on the fires. Oregonlive coverage is awful. They can't talk about it without saying that Antifa didn't start the fires. And Twitter hasn't helped. I'll try to see if I can find a better source of info. There is a river between me and Portland, so it will wipe them out before it gets over here.

Posted by: notsothoreau at September 11, 2020 11:43 AM (JKNZq)

171 Of course, that's nothing compared to Obozo's affirmative action prize.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at September 11, 2020 11:34 AM (+y/Ru)

Obama's Nobel Prize was essentially a participation trophy.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at September 11, 2020 11:43 AM (1OOhd)

172
Translation: "They had to make kiddie porn in order to show the world how awful kiddie porno is."

I cannot believe so many people are making this argument. I shouldn't be surprised, but I am.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 11, 2020 11:42 AM (bDqIh

Not shocking at all. Plenty of pedophiles are in jail because they claimed at the time they were looking at child porn to help catch people making child porn.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 11, 2020 11:44 AM (s4dNo)

173 And Pete Townsend had a bunch of young boi pron on his computer because he just wanted to understand it better.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 11, 2020 11:40 AM (hku12)

IIRC correctly, rumor had it that Townsend was involved in some guerilla vigilante anti-pedophile stuff, and that in his case it really *was* "doing research"...

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 11, 2020 11:44 AM (/EuRN)

174 101
I would eat all the tater tots.

I'd be ashamed after but I would eat them all.

The shame is part of the kink. Dang, I wish I'd said that first.

Posted by: pep at September 11, 2020 11:44 AM (v16oJ)

175 So Antifa was caught trying to start a wildfire...
And I see the FNM is now trying to censor people saying antifa started the wildfires because we don't have evidence that they started all them.
Hmm....

Posted by: 18-1 at September 11, 2020 11:44 AM (qlFIA)

176 150
Alyssa Rosenberg@AlyssaRosenberg

Replying to @AlyssaRosenberg

Two things are simultaneously true: #Cuties depicts disturbing,
age-inappropriate behavior by young girls, AND it unequivocally views
that behavior as sad and harmful to the girls involved.

Um no thanks.

Posted by: Watch the Show and Find Out!!! at September 11, 2020 11:44 AM (GmcTy)

177 Translation: "They had to make kiddie porn in order to show the world how awful kiddie porno is."

-
Fighting fire with fire.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at September 11, 2020 11:44 AM (+y/Ru)

178 This is my first time getting the website bouncies here. Pretty exciting but I think the next step is we could also use a plastic ball pit. Could one of you COBs work on that? Thanks.

Posted by: banana Dream at September 11, 2020 11:44 AM (AJLfU)

179 hiya

Posted by: JT at September 11, 2020 11:44 AM (arJlL)

180 "Most boomer males got through adolescence with Diana Rigg in those
catsuits. And the funniest thing was, her character was smart and funny,
and a bit mysterious I miss those days."

Too true! And how we envied Mr. Peel!
Posted by: Brown Line at September 11, 2020

The original sidekick for John Steed was supposed to be a man, and that's how they wrote the part. That is why Mrs. Peel is a badass karate master.

Not sure if that was before they cast Honor Blackman who was the original Mrs. Peel, or if they were going to make him male after her.

Either way, Diana Rigg was fantastic and made the role. And her list of credits afterwards is tremendous. I hear she was a great person off screen as well.

They don't make them like her anymore.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 11, 2020 11:45 AM (s2VJv)

181

Today "entertainment" is constantly clobbering us over the head with 'tough, independent, better than men' wymyn characters. They're tedious, preachy and uninteresting. Emma Peel was tough and independent but without any of the messages. The character was fun and enjoyable to watch. It was all a bit tongue in cheek and meant to entertain and it did. She held her own against everyone without having to lecture the audience. Today's commissars in entertainment should take note.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 11, 2020 11:45 AM (96SSR)

182
The cheerleader fight was amusing. I mean her heart was in it, but I don't think those slaps are going to have quite the effect that the announcer was making them out to have...

Posted by: 18-1 at September 11, 2020 11:45 AM (qlFIA)

183 Petition to have Nanzi Poligrip prosecuted.

Demand Nancy Pelosi Be Prosecuted For COVID Violations - Media Action Network

https://tinyurl.com/y2of5v9z

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at September 11, 2020 11:45 AM (pw+jk)

184 And I see the FNM is now trying to censor people saying antifa started the wildfires because we don't have evidence that they started all them.
Hmm....

Here in my area we are still mopping up a big fire that was caused by lightning strikes.. Maybe we should blame Thor or Zeus

Posted by: It's me donna at September 11, 2020 11:45 AM (Zmnko)

185
Pleasence didn't fit the character

He was a better Blofeld in Warrior of the Lost World.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 11, 2020 11:45 AM (63Dwl)

186 And Pete Townsend had a bunch of young boi pron on his computer because he just wanted to understand it better.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 11, 2020 11:40 AM (hku12)

IIRC correctly, rumor had it that Townsend was involved in some guerilla vigilante anti-pedophile stuff, and that in his case it really *was* "doing research"...
Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 11, 2020 11:44 AM (/EuRN)

Sure.

And Bill Clinton was on pedo island because he was hoping to help the girls get their masseuse licenses.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 11, 2020 11:45 AM (hku12)

187 That picture reminds me.

They should really study the phenomenon known as Brie Larson Syndrome.

Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at September 11, 2020 11:46 AM (vf0Uk)

188 178 This is my first time getting the website bouncies here. Pretty exciting but I think the next step is we could also use a plastic ball pit. Could one of you COBs work on that? Thanks.

Posted by: banana Dream at September 11, 2020 11:44 AM (AJLfU)

I once found a dirty diaper in a plastic ball pit. I still get queasy whenever someone mentions them.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at September 11, 2020 11:46 AM (1ISKN)

189 IIRC correctly, rumor had it that Townsend was involved in some guerilla vigilante anti-pedophile stuff, and that in his case it really *was* "doing research"...
Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 11, 2020 11:44 AM (/EuRN)
-------------

And, there were people that knew Pete and said, "Yes, he's that naive."

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at September 11, 2020 11:46 AM (WEBkv)

190 The cheerleader fight was amusing. I mean her heart was in it, but I don't think those slaps are going to have quite the effect that the announcer was making them out to have...

Posted by: 18-1 at September 11, 2020 11:45 AM (qlFIA)

Better than some UFC fights I've seen.

Posted by: BignJames at September 11, 2020 11:46 AM (X/Pw5)

191 RIP Mrs. Peel. Her tight fitting outfits on The Avengers was one of my adolescent awakenings of the female form.

Posted by: Cosda at September 11, 2020 11:46 AM (sQKrE)

192 I agree with all of the above on Bush except for one thing...

I don't think you get to the eventual destruction of ISIS, the UAE/Israel deal or Iran back on their heals without the removal of Saddam.

Meaning the removal of Saddam took the lid off of Pandora's box. This in turn brought a ton of ugliness out to the surface including ISIS and a MORE militant Iran. Maybe this ugliness was necessary to get where we are today. Of course a different President between Bush and Trump might have made that period a little less ugly but the demons needed to be confronted either way. I think Bush was right about that.

Posted by: BtheNorth at September 11, 2020 11:47 AM (LA1cn)

193 I think Bush was a good guy who was pushed into the presidency. Today you can't take lightly any conservative and all the powers are against us. But he seemed like a good. guy and many powers pushed him into it.

It is similar to McCain but i would not put that placard on Bush. But for Bush it is how he left the party in shambles and how he has acted since the presidency. I have many issues with his presidency. For one he was week on 2A. He also got worked by some guys that thought they could remake the world, and they were proven to be wrong.

I care little of W today but I respect how he acted on 9/11. We can see a president's flaws and still respect some of the things he did well. I myself and not a Bush Republican or a Trump Republican. I stand by my president and understand the threat that opposes. If I had my way, I would go with Eisenhower, but also in a different day. We can't go back to that so it is what it is.

I opposed Bush in the primary unlike most Republicans. I was forceful about it too, not just an opion. But when he got the nod, I was all in. It is amazing how well this party has done as he left no heir and really gave up the game when his term ended.

Posted by: Quint at September 11, 2020 11:47 AM (JCBMS)

194 OM, great points about Dubya. I used to hold him in much higher regard. Was reminded of that earlier today watching the clip of him throwing out the first pitch at a World Series game after 9/11.

I trace much of the current state of divisiveness in this country back to the Bush v Gore election and aftermath. The Left has NEVER gotten over that election. The onset of BUSH DERANGEMENT SYNDROME was quick and it escalated rapidly and uncontrollably.

Now that I think about it, the roots of the divisiveness and The Left becoming bat-shit crazy probably go back to 1994 when the Republicans flipped the House for the 1st time in ??? years. This was when the ever so fair and balanced Tom Brokaw quipped that the voters had thrown a "temper tantrum". How DARE they actually try to change things!

Fast forward to now and DJT -- I agree with you, Muse. It's the unwavering fight he has in him and his understanding of the culture war that matters most. Those things have moved him slightly ahead of the great Ronaldus as the greatest President of my lifetime. Yes, cringe-worthy mean tweets and all.

Posted by: Doof at September 11, 2020 11:47 AM (mZUr4)

195 The Neocon view of nation building in the Middle East is formed by poms sitting in Washington who have never really been there - the Ritz in Riyadh doesn't count. Having lived and worked in several of those garden spots, hoping for a Renaissance there given their backward culture and religion is similar to expecting a serf in feudal England to understand manned space flight.

Posted by: Heart of Darkness at September 11, 2020 11:47 AM (nFRLh)

196 so I might've watched that cheerleader vs bully video a few times
just keeps getting better

Posted by: vmom 2020 - 13 Hours Book Review at September 11, 2020 11:47 AM (nUhF0)

197 RIP Mrs. Peel.

Sorry, but I don't get the fascination with her..

Posted by: It's me donna at September 11, 2020 11:47 AM (Zmnko)

198 I have good friends and relatives in Clackamas County. They are on evacuation alert right now.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at September 11, 2020 11:47 AM (KONur)

199 We only saw Mr. Peel from behind. Maybe that's him.

Mr. Peel was played by...

....Patrick MacNee in a long shot.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 11, 2020 11:47 AM (oVJmc)

200 Sissy Spacek. I recognize the nose.

Posted by: Emmie at September 11, 2020 11:48 AM (4JM5Y)

201
I appreciate Bush's military retribution. I don't appreciate his war execution. The Iraqi CPA was a clusterfuck and the overall ROE's in for AFG and IRQ deteriorated over time into giant shitballs that got my brothers killed. Bush had no real, achievable endgame or timeline. That's why we are where we are today.
Posted by: Marcus T at September 11, 2020 11:39 AM (VpIIl)

In retrospect, I was privately kind of uneasy with the Bush policy of war on the cheap in A-stan, but refused to admit what my subconscious was screaming at me.

The point where I finally admitted to myself in private that Bush wasn't up to the job was when he had US forces hold at Tora Bora and expecting the Northern Alliance to move forward and assault the caves. At that point, it became obvious that the US as a whole wasn't serious about winning, although I still didn't have the courage to say it out loud, to my eternal shame.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 11, 2020 11:48 AM (EGyGV)

202
And Bill Clinton was on pedo island because he was hoping to help the girls get their masseuse licenses.

***

I believe his current argument is.

I didn't go to that island - the flight logs are lying, as are the witnesses.

But if I did go there I only got a non-sexual massage.

And if I did actually have sex with her she was actually of age and totally willing.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 11, 2020 11:48 AM (qlFIA)

203 187 That picture reminds me.

They should really study the phenomenon known as Brie Larson Syndrome.
Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at September 11, 2020 11:46 AM (vf0Uk)

Hey, if one day your ass fell right the f*ck off, you'd stop smiling, too.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 11, 2020 11:48 AM (/EuRN)

204 Fires are within 10-12 miles of my house. We don't think we'll have to evacuate, but if it gets to us, it will have burned most of Springfield first. The skies are smoky and filled with ash. It's like Mordor out there.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at September 11, 2020 11:28 AM

Stay safe, OM.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 11, 2020 11:48 AM (ejd/p)

205 131 Insom is on the twatters?
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 11, 2020 11:36 AM (W2Pud)

Steve Inman who I guess calls or used to call UIC fights.

https://twitter.com/SteveInmanUIC

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at September 11, 2020 11:48 AM (1OOhd)

206 The cheerleader fight was amusing. I mean her heart was in it, but I don't think those slaps are going to have quite the effect that the announcer was making them out to have...
Posted by: 18-1 at September 11, 2020 11:45 AM (qlFIA)
--------------

I don't know about that. The cheerleader did a pretty good job of putting the much larger gal on the ground while continuing to slap the girl around pretty good.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at September 11, 2020 11:48 AM (WEBkv)

207 Geez, OM, Jordan61, Diogenes and nurse ratched, that does not sound good -- stay safe from the fires!!

Praying for you... I know what it's like to be evacuated.. Last years NorCal fire had us do that.. Didn't get too close thank goodness..

Posted by: It's me donna

***

This will drive you nuts: the guy arrested three days ago for starting a fire on the highway median was bailed out in just a couple of hours and re-arrested two nights ago while committing a burglary. Why was he let out? Covid protocol.
Oh...and mommy bailed his sorry ass out.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 11, 2020 11:48 AM (axyOa)

208 Lost had been greatly marred by it's last season, being that it was a show that continuously asks three or four tough questions for every one that it answered. At no point was it better than GoT, nor will it be well remembered.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 11, 2020 11:49 AM (LxTcq)

209 Posted by: Diogenes at September 11, 2020 11:48 AM (axyOa)

Arrested for arson and they released him?

Posted by: It's me donna at September 11, 2020 11:49 AM (Zmnko)

210 Dairy Queen has Godawful food. One thing I respect is even int the commercials it doesn't look good.

Posted by: Quint at September 11, 2020 11:49 AM (JCBMS)

211 did you notice the cheerleader was holding on to her phone during the fight?

Posted by: vmom 2020 - 13 Hours Book Review at September 11, 2020 11:49 AM (nUhF0)

212 Yeah, getting the same data here.
OM...any particular smells we should be looking forward to?
Posted by: Diogenes at September 11, 2020 11:40 AM (axyOa)

It smells like a bonfire/smokehouse/BBQ. I actually don't think it's unpleasant other than the fact that smelling it means something is terribly wrong.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at September 11, 2020 11:50 AM (1OOhd)

213 210 Dairy Queen has Godawful food. One thing I respect is even int the commercials it doesn't look good.
Posted by: Quint at September 11, 2020 11:49 AM (JCBMS

Disagree. Their artisan sandwiches are awesome.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 11, 2020 11:50 AM (s4dNo)

214 There's a strong chance I will be eating wings later today.

No tots, but fries will accompany them.

And beer. Copious amounts of beer.

Today sucks. But I'm still in the Greatest Country Ever, thus will celebrate it while toasting those that died at the hands of islham and it's followers.

Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at September 11, 2020 11:50 AM (vf0Uk)

215 It smells like a bonfire/smokehouse/BBQ. I actually don't think it's unpleasant other than the fact that smelling it means something is terribly wrong.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at September 11, 2020 11:50 AM (1OOhd)
+++++++++++
Yup. If you live in fire country and smell smoke before wintertime, something is very wrong and very scary.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 11, 2020 11:51 AM (Q8c/L)

216 Bush would be more liked if he supported Trump and his agenda. Even if tenuously.

There were many parts of his presidency I did not like. Didn't like then, don't like now.

But I won't complete blame him for the ME mess Trump is extracting us from. Obama made it much worse.

Roberts makes Bush look a lot worse. Had Roberts gone the other way on Obamacare, then Bush would look a lot better.

Regardless, at the time, I was thankful Bush was our President (compared to the alternative choice). And I still am.

I can get why Bush was not a Trump fan initially. Jeb was running. Trump may have said a thing or two about W that would upset anyone if directed toward them. But that is politics. After it is all said, Trump is doing things most conservatives have wanted for a long time. It would have been nice had W changed his tune and become a supporter.

Posted by: SH at September 11, 2020 11:51 AM (sX1BW)

217 It's hard to choose between Nationalism & Globalism without more specific information.

Posted by: J. Random Moron at September 11, 2020 11:51 AM (DMUuz)

218 Waiting to see how they are gonna manage to blame 9/11 on Trump..

Posted by: It's me donna at September 11, 2020 11:51 AM (Zmnko)

219
speaking of tater tots...

If you haven't signed up for the MiMoMe, please do so today.

Join us on Saturday September 19 in New Hudson, MI for The 2020 Michigan MoMe. The sign-up link (https://mimome.stoatnet.org) is in the sidebar on the front page and in my nick; there's also an e-mail link in the sidebar what will put you in touch with Eric Stratton, Rush Chairman.

This will be a low-key, laid-back, high-speed, low-drag afternoon event. We're not promising lavish venues or cabrito or anything, but it will be (potentially) Keto-friendly & at times very loud.

Unfortunately, Obergruppenfuhrer Whitmer has deemed our drone target vendor as "non-essential", so the Bofors Gun Team Building exercise has been cancelled. Maybe next year...

Out-state 'ettes & 'rons what are jonesin' for a MoMe are welcome to join us as well. It's really not that far, in the grand scheme of things. For targeting purposes, it's off I-96, about half-way in between I-275 & US-23.

Also, if you have signed up for the MIMoMe but didn't click the link in the email to confirm it, please do. Otherwise, we have a hard time knowing if your email address is right and that updates won't get lost. Thank you for helping us help you help us all.

thatisall

Posted by: AltonJackson (Click here for the MiMoMe!!!) at September 11, 2020 11:51 AM (b7Y3O)

220 Stay safe, OM.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 11, 2020 11:48 AM (ejd/p)

Thank you, our go bag is packed.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at September 11, 2020 11:51 AM (1OOhd)

221 186 And Pete Townsend had a bunch of young boi pron on his computer because he just wanted to understand it better.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 11, 2020 11:40 AM (hku12)

IIRC correctly, rumor had it that Townsend was involved in some guerilla vigilante anti-pedophile stuff, and that in his case it really *was* "doing research"...
Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 11, 2020 11:44 AM (/EuRN)

Sure.

And Bill Clinton was on pedo island because he was hoping to help the girls get their masseuse licenses.
Posted by: BurtTC

It's obvious from his songs that Pete Townsend was sexually molested when he was a child, by an adult male predator. (Tracks like "Fiddling About" and the "Ivor the Engine Driver" section of "A Quick One While He's Away" are overtly about little boys being sexually molested. And there are others. All of "Tommy" is about abuse and molestation, some say.) I think he hates molesters so intensely that he wants them all dead. (Conversely, one might argue that kids who get molested often themselves grow up to molest others.) There's really no way we'll ever know.

Posted by: zombie at September 11, 2020 11:51 AM (HEEq1)

222 I liked Bush 43. I still think he is probably a decent person. I do also
think, though, that he was a domestic policy failure across most
aspects of his administration. And I came to that conclusion *during*
his administration. It is also all about context - he wasn't the
nightmare that Gore or Kerry would have been.

Agreed. But what actually happened after 9/11 was that we the people became the enemy. We were treated with suspicion at airports for daring to want to fly, were under the watchful eyes of soldiers with guns, forced to be strip-searched and had harmless personal items stolen under the cover of law while the actual people who were far more likely to attack us were ignored because of PC garbage. We had to bear the brunt of all the needless security measures instead of swarthy middle eastern men who were the actual villains. This is still going on, BTW.

islam should've been outlawed the day after 9/11, every mosque closed and turned into a church and all muzzies deported. Then W should've nuked Medina and said if there was ever another terrorist attack on any American interest anywhere in the world, Mecca was next. Weakness invites attacks and W was very weak against the real enemy of islam. He didn't even raise the alarm against the SCOAMF when he clearly knew of his radical ties to domestic terrorists and the anti-Christ Soros.

I have nothing but contempt for the entire Bush family, especially since W came out against PDT.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Enemy of the Deep State Swamp at September 11, 2020 11:51 AM (HaL55)

223 Well, it looks like the main photo is Diana Rigg, not Spacek. I think someone photoshopped Spacek's nose in there.

Posted by: Emmie at September 11, 2020 11:52 AM (4JM5Y)

224 Elmo and Mary Lincoln

Posted by: JT at September 11, 2020 11:52 AM (arJlL)

225 RIP Mrs. Peel.

Sorry, but I don't get the fascination with her..
Posted by: It's me donna at September 11, 2020 11:47 AM (Zmnko)

It takes two balls and testosterone, I guess.

Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at September 11, 2020 11:52 AM (vf0Uk)

226 In other news...

My son has been unemployed for the past 4 months. He did a number of in-depth interviews and thought he would be hired, only to be sent short "not just now" emails. He was really feeling bad and didn't know what was going wrong.

This week, after two more interviews, he's received 3 job offers (one from one of the previous companies). He also has another final interview this afternoon with a fourth company. All the offers so far are over 100K/yr with pretty nice benefits.

I don't know what is breaking loose in the economy, but something must be happening.

Posted by: jwest at September 11, 2020 11:52 AM (/BlEx)

227 Air quality here is considered hazardous (320). I'm having problems finding out status on the fires. Oregonlive coverage is awful. They can't talk about it without saying that Antifa didn't start the fires.

Posted by: notsothoreau

I wonder why they are hitting that so hard.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 11, 2020 11:52 AM (xP7rZ)

228 210 Try Dairy Queen coffee. They taught Starbucks how to burn it.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at September 11, 2020 11:52 AM (C1Lsn)

229 It's hard to choose between Nationalism Globalism without more specific information.

Posted by: J. Random Moron at September 11, 2020 11:51 AM (DMUuz)

I go for patriotism and individualism. But that is if you have to boil it down to isms.

Posted by: Quint at September 11, 2020 11:53 AM (JCBMS)

230 Connery in Dr. No was ink off the page of Fleming's novels. Until Craig he was the only Bond you could actually imagine as a heartless killer - though when Brosnan capped the French chick it was close.
Posted by: Heart of Darkness at September 11, 2020

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Fleming's Bond was not a heartless killer. He was tough, he was a pro, and he didn't hesitate to shoot somebody (or dump tons of guano on him, or kick him into a shark tank) when necessary. He didn't waste much time afterward wondering what might have been, whether he *should* have iced the guy, etc. But he felt fear and was subject to nerves now and then, usually after the fact.

Connery and Craig, yes, the best, with Timothy Dalton right behind. Lazenby might have been able to grow into the role. Moore's Bond was the era of the "lighter" Bond -- Moore made a better Saint.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 11, 2020 11:53 AM (Ejm1K)

231
Thank you, our go bag is packed.

Make sure to have insurance papers and such... I have one file with important stuff that will be easy to grab if necessary.. We have a big fire here every year

Posted by: It's me donna at September 11, 2020 11:53 AM (Zmnko)

232 They can't talk about it without saying that Antifa didn't start the fires.
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So did Baghdad Bob work on his accent before moving to Oregon?

Posted by: 18-1 at September 11, 2020 11:53 AM (qlFIA)

233 Waiting to see how they are gonna manage to blame 9/11 on Trump..

Posted by: It's me donna at September 11, 2020 11:51 AM (Zmnko)

Pretty sure he was in NY that day, so....

Posted by: BignJames at September 11, 2020 11:53 AM (X/Pw5)

234 Cheerleader slap fighting should be an Olympic sport.

Posted by: Kate Winslet's boobs at September 11, 2020 11:53 AM (ftFVW)

235 I thought commendable, no matter how much Obama slandered GW, GW kept his mouth shut.

Then, after President Trump was elected, I was deeply disappointed when GW decided to open his mouth.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at September 11, 2020 11:53 AM (WEBkv)

236 I think GWB didn't respond to attacks because of his born-again faith. He believed in turning the other cheek.

Which leads me to wonder -- could Jesus be an effective head of state? Would he expend blood and treasure in the cause of what is right, even if it didn't serve his country's interests? The big conflict before the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks was the Balkans mess. Many people thought the U.S. should stay out of it although people were being slaughtered.

I think WWJD would not apply when the lives of those he was leading were at stake. The Ten Commandments applies to individuals, not agglomerations.

This is why, although I pray for a Trump victory, I'm not looking to him -- or any politician -- to deliver us. Only one man is up to that job, and he hasn't come back yet.

I primarily pray for the strength to endure, come what may.

Posted by: Weak Geek at September 11, 2020 11:53 AM (Apbdw)

237 Has anyone heard from thathalfrican recently and if he is doing okay after the madness in MPLS?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 11, 2020 11:54 AM (Q8c/L)

238 227 Air quality here is considered hazardous (320). I'm having problems finding out status on the fires. Oregonlive coverage is awful. They can't talk about it without saying that Antifa didn't start the fires.

Posted by: notsothoreau

I wonder why they are hitting that so hard.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 11, 2020 11:52 AM (xP7rZ)

Heh. I wouldn't have really thought they did. But having it become a talking point du jour just reinforces the narrative that "Antifa people burn shit all the time". Which is fine by me.

(The narrative. Not the burning.)

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 11, 2020 11:54 AM (/EuRN)

239 As far as Cheez Whiz in a can -- or Easy Cheese. One of my favorite guilty pleasure snacks is the sharp cheddar variety on Pringles. Either open face, or better still, between 2 Pringles.

My sister and I "invented" this delicacy as kids back in the early 80s on a family bus trip. We bought a can of what we called "squirty cheese" and a can of Pringles at a gas station next to the motel we were staying at.

Pringles and squirty cheese. Give it a try!

Posted by: Doof at September 11, 2020 11:54 AM (mZUr4)

240 In retrospect, I was privately kind of uneasy with
the Bush policy of war on the cheap in A-stan, but refused to admit what
my subconscious was screaming at me.

The point where I finally admitted to myself in private that Bush
wasn't up to the job was when he had US forces hold at Tora Bora and
expecting the Northern Alliance to move forward and assault the caves.
At that point, it became obvious that the US as a whole wasn't serious
about winning, although I still didn't have the courage to say it out
loud, to my eternal shame.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 11, 2020 11:48 AM

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You literally can't win if you don't have a plan, and we did not have a plan for either Iraq or Afghanistan.

We invaded, destroyed their Military capabilities for the most part and then just sat around doing pretty much nothing but rebuilding what we blew up.

Other than taking out terrorist cells and patrolling the Cities, out Military had no clear objectives or mission.

There was never an exit strategy proposed, let alone implemented. We had no formal mission goals other than "keeping the peace".

You can't run a railroad that way. And I am glad Trump is finally pulling us out of Afghanistan. It's been a waste and we have spent way too many lives and $$$ there.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at September 11, 2020 11:54 AM (JUOKG)

241 Thank you, our go bag is packed.

Make sure to have insurance papers and such... I have one file with important stuff that will be easy to grab if necessary.. We have a big fire here every year
Posted by: It's me donna

Stay safe, It's You Donna.....

Posted by: JT at September 11, 2020 11:54 AM (arJlL)

242 Stay safe, OM.

Seconded. And all the other Left Coast Hordelings, too.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Enemy of the Deep State Swamp at September 11, 2020 11:54 AM (HaL55)

243 oh, and the Seattle Times thought it necessary to let us know that forest fires increase your risk of COVID.

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 11, 2020 11:54 AM (W2Pud)

244 Air quality here is considered hazardous (320). I'm
having problems finding out status on the fires. Oregonlive coverage is
awful. They can't talk about it without saying that Antifa didn't start the fires.

Posted by: notsothoreau

I wonder why they are hitting that so hard.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 11, 2020 11:52 AM (xP7rZ)

=====To ask the question is to answer it.

Because antifa is starting the fires.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at September 11, 2020 11:55 AM (pw+jk)

245 But what actually happened after 9/11 was that we the people became the
enemy. We were treated with suspicion at airports for daring to want to
fly, were under the watchful eyes of soldiers with guns, forced to be
strip-searched and had harmless personal items stolen under the cover of
law while the actual people who were far more likely to attack us were
ignored because of PC garbage.

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I'm not a fan of security theater, just as I'm not a fan of Covid theater.

But the majority of Americans are.

Posted by: SH at September 11, 2020 11:55 AM (sX1BW)

246 As a family friend at Cal State suggested a week ago, the LA Times reports now that all Cal State campuses will be closed and will teach only by remote for the entire academic year.

Posted by: some guy out west at September 11, 2020 11:55 AM (XpDOS)

247 230 Connery and Craig, yes, the best, with Timothy Dalton right behind. Lazenby might have been able to grow into the role. Moore's Bond was the era of the "lighter" Bond -- Moore made a better Saint.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 11, 2020 11:53 AM (Ejm1K)

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Moore's Bond got into the spy game to bed women. Espionage was more of a hobby for him.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, shouting Lawrence! into the desert at September 11, 2020 11:55 AM (UWqZJ)

248 "The point where I finally admitted to myself in private that Bush wasn't up to the job was when he had US forces hold at Tora Bora and expecting the Northern Alliance to move forward and assault the caves. At that point, it became obvious that the US as a whole wasn't serious about winning, although I still didn't have the courage to say it out loud, to my eternal shame.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 11, 2020 11:48 AM (EGyGV)"

I somewhat understand why the decision was made. But i don't agree with the base reasons. Bush and even s some of the GO's knew we needed help at that point to execute mission in the battlespace. But we should have pushed harder to get more assets on the battlefield sooner. We also didn't effectively used our SOF who was stretched, but need assistance. So I will write part of that off to that most forces had not been in a battle like that for awhile and the other half was a lack of fortitude and knowledge by civilian leaders.

Posted by: Marcus T at September 11, 2020 11:55 AM (VpIIl)

249 Lost had been greatly marred by it's last season, being that it was a show that continuously asks three or four tough questions for every one that it answered. At no point was it better than GoT, nor will it be well remembered.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 11, 2020

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The very first episode of Lost was one of the best hours of broadcast TV I'd ever seen.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 11, 2020 11:55 AM (Ejm1K)

250 CA, but why is OR on fire? Isn't OR a wet climate?

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at September 11, 2020 11:24 AM (xfb67)

Western Oregon is wet. East Oregon is like the dark side of the moon.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at September 11, 2020 11:30 AM (1OOhd)

I'll add that it doesn't rain Western Oregon for three months a year. Typically from mid June to mid to late September it is mostly bone dry.

Posted by: Beartooth at September 11, 2020 11:55 AM (PJtXD)

251 Disagree. Their artisan sandwiches are awesome.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 11, 2020 11:50 AM (s4dNo)

Not really. They're made from frozen artisan.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 11, 2020 11:55 AM (wPVhA)

252 233 Waiting to see how they are gonna manage to blame 9/11 on Trump..

Posted by: It's me donna at September 11, 2020 11:51 AM (Zmnko)

Pretty sure he was in NY that day, so....
Posted by: BignJames at September 11, 2020 11:53 AM (X/Pw5)

Yeah, well, uh, my girlfriend's boyfriend's brother's cousin's dog-walker heard Trump say that the NYC firefighters were chumps.

For reals.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 11, 2020 11:56 AM (/EuRN)

253 Bush never defended the office he held, but I defended him for eight years. The he opened up his piehole to criticize Trump. Done with him.

Posted by: Mongerel at September 11, 2020 11:56 AM (8b8Sh)

254 Waiting to see how they are gonna manage to blame 9/11 on Trump..

Posted by: It's me donna at September 11, 2020 11:51 AM (Zmnko)

Pretty sure he was in NY that day, so....

Posted by: BignJames at September 11, 2020 11:53 AM

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I think he was and I may be wrong but I think he called into the howard stern show that morning.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at September 11, 2020 11:56 AM (JUOKG)

255 OK, I know the Who 'Dis has been answered, but I'm going to go with

Two people who have never been in my kitchen.

Posted by: No One of Consequence at September 11, 2020 11:56 AM (CAJOC)

256 Which always strikes me as odd because the majority of Indian transplants I know fall on the conservative side. They remember the destruction socialism cause in India and those parents told their kids.

Upper-caste Indians in the US instinctively understand that the point of the Democrat Party for the upper class to punish everyone else for not being them, and they're *very* enthusiastic about the idea.

Conservative Indians in the US are conservative because they also instinctively understand that and know it's evil.

Posted by: Ian S. at September 11, 2020 11:56 AM (ZGrMX)

257 oh, and the Seattle Times thought it necessary to let us know that forest fires increase your risk of COVID.
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 11, 2020 11:54 AM (W2Pud)

Also, the fires disproportionately attack People Of Color.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 11, 2020 11:56 AM (wPVhA)

258 Waiting to see how they are gonna manage to blame 9/11 on Trump..

Posted by: It's me donna at September 11, 2020 11:51 AM (Zmnko)

Pretty sure he was in NY that day, so....

Did he mention that he saw muzzies celebrating the attack?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Enemy of the Deep State Swamp at September 11, 2020 11:56 AM (HaL55)

259 251 Disagree. Their artisan sandwiches are awesome.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 11, 2020 11:50 AM (s4dNo)

Not really. They're made from frozen artisan.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 11, 2020 11:55 AM (wPVhA)

Get your Peter Paul Reuben while supplies last!

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 11, 2020 11:57 AM (/EuRN)

260 Stay safe, OM.

Seconded. And all the other Left Coast Hordelings, too.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Enemy of the Deep State Swamp at September 11, 2020 11:54 AM (HaL55)

Thread winner.

Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at September 11, 2020 11:57 AM (vf0Uk)

261 WTF is an "artisan sandwich"? Do they have exhibits? Can we expect one on the art thread?

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at September 11, 2020 11:57 AM (1ISKN)

262 I will pay 1800 quatloos for the punching cheerleader.

Posted by: Achmed Mohammed at September 11, 2020 11:57 AM (jbF6h)

263

Nice post.

You cannot change the minds of feral animals. That is why trying to work with the street rats won't work. They have been blessed with everything America offered THROUGH THEIR PARENTS. So they are hopeless.

Commit them all to social services in the streets of Chicago, Baltimore, etc. Make them do community service for 2-3 years and nothing more. Let them see how real people live and suffer.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 11, 2020 11:57 AM (rjE57)

264 It takes two balls and testosterone, I guess.
Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at September 11, 2020 11:52 AM

Are these available as aftermarket purchases?

Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Miss Lindsay at September 11, 2020 11:57 AM (DMUuz)

265 I think that people like Lost despite its glaring flaws because they like the cast. There were a lot of flawed, but likeable characters on that show.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at September 11, 2020 11:58 AM (H5knJ)

266 I thought commendable, no matter how much Obama slandered GW, GW kept his mouth shut.

Then, after President Trump was elected, I was deeply disappointed when GW decided to open his mouth.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at September 11, 2020 11:53 AM (WEBkv)

yeah, he used to brag about that during the Obama regime. He belied that when he changed the game and against his own.

Posted by: Quint at September 11, 2020 11:58 AM (JCBMS)

267

It is 9/11. As always, I renew my vow--Never Forget, Never Forgive.

Ever.

Posted by: irongrampa at September 11, 2020 11:58 AM (KATBx)

268 43 was screwed from the jump - imagine your whole life being told people like 41 and James fucking Baker were the smartest guys in Washington?

Posted by: Heart of Darkness at September 11, 2020 11:58 AM (nFRLh)

269 I have nothing but contempt for the entire Bush family, especially since W came out against PDT.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Enemy of the Deep State Swamp at September 11, 2020 11:51 AM (HaL55)
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Well said.

It always aggravated me that Mineta justified TSA security theater because, "I was in an internment camp as a kid."

I was flying for work at the time, and, there I am, 6'3", gray hair, and on the pale side of white, and I'm getting pulled out of line for further inspection while the burka brigade is getting waived on through.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at September 11, 2020 11:58 AM (WEBkv)

270 I only eat Free Range artisan.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at September 11, 2020 11:58 AM (jbF6h)

271 Disagree. Their artisan sandwiches are awesome.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 11, 2020 11:50 AM (s4dNo)
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I prefer drilling for artesian sandwiches, preferably from previously untapped sandwiquifers.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 11, 2020 11:58 AM (Q8c/L)

272 It may seem small compared to other things, but I really cannot forgive GWB for letting Scooter Libby swing in the breeze. The thing was, GWB *KNEW* that Scooter was innocent of the charges; he knew the whole thing was bullshit. And he sat there and did nothing. GWB had no loyalty to the people who served him faithfully, just like he had no loyalty to any of us.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 11, 2020 11:58 AM (Kpl3J)

273 Didja see the Antifa cutie of the day in the sidebar?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at September 11, 2020 11:59 AM (+y/Ru)

274 Went to the ATM at the bank (gotta save that ATM fee) and remembered I needed some check book registers. Backed up, went to the drive in, and the young dear, by herself, behind bullet proof glass is fully masked.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at September 11, 2020 11:59 AM (C1Lsn)

275 Hard to say if Bush had any sincerity really ... I mean, as far as whether or not he had a seat at that table of globalists (from the above "what globalism really is" picture) ... imo Bush was certainly at that table ... his Dad (or grandfather?) helped build that forum.

As with the ChinaVirus, I want to believe the Americans at that globalism table had no hand in the spread of the virus, or the more conspiratorial versions of 9/11, BUT they certainly had a hand in aiding and abetting those that did the attacks (9/11 and WuhanVirus ... and JFK assassination?)

We need to disrupt the globalist planners ... ChinaVirus was deliberately spread ... it has united many countries against what had been an almost universal acceptance that CommieChina was on the road to being the new global power.

So who are the mafiosi guys at the Globalism Table? Did Xi and the CCP just kicked out of the club? Or is Trump putting together a global alliance of countries, with the plan being to allow them all to have their sovereignty, but with the US retaining SuperPower status ... other nations pulling their weight more locally?

idk, our bailouts and monetary policy has made the richest more rich than ever ... and they seem intent on buying this election, using the money for more than control of media ... they will try to buy those running the election itself. And/Or maybe try to buy/coerce the generals into some version of a coup (another version of the continuous coup?).

We don't need Durham waiting till after the election to reveal the coup plotters ... since those plotters are on CNN and putting out books and articles every day all day. tick tock

Posted by: illiniwek at September 11, 2020 11:59 AM (Cus5s)

276 256 Which always strikes me as odd because the majority of Indian transplants I know fall on the conservative side. They remember the destruction socialism cause in India and those parents told their kids.

Upper-caste Indians in the US instinctively understand that the point of the Democrat Party for the upper class to punish everyone else for not being them, and they're *very* enthusiastic about the idea.

Conservative Indians in the US are conservative because they also instinctively understand that and know it's evil.
Posted by: Ian S. at September 11, 2020 11:56 AM (ZGrMX)

The Brahmins are here as NGO throne sniffers and non-profit grifters. They're going to be as swampy as the day is long, just as they were back home in the Subcontinent.

The Merchants are here to make a buck, and to get away from the Brahmin assholes they had to deal with back home.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 11, 2020 11:59 AM (/EuRN)

277 257 oh, and the Seattle Times thought it necessary to let us know that forest fires increase your risk of COVID.
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 11, 2020 11:54 AM (W2Pud)

Also, the fires disproportionately attack People Of Color.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 11, 2020 11:56 AM (wPVhA)

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It's true! I was walking down the street the other day, and a forest fire walked right past me, and proceeded to harass the young black couple behind me.

Posted by: No One of Consequence at September 11, 2020 11:59 AM (CAJOC)

278 The memo has gone out that you are anti-Semitic and a QAnon supporter if you criticize "Cuties" as CP.
Is there any ad hominem card that isn't maxed out?

Posted by: 🤡 at September 11, 2020 11:59 AM (RxDQk)

279 RIP Mrs. Peel.

Sorry, but I don't get the fascination with her..
Posted by: It's me donna at September 11, 2020

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Emma was a pioneer in adventure TV, a woman who never aspired to be a man (and who liked men), but could hold her own in a judo- or gunfight. She was painted as accomplished and educated and given to frequent witticisms. There was plenty to like and admire about the character. If only April Dancer of The Girl From U.N.C.L.E. had been more like her!

Diana herself was an accomplished actress of drama as well as comedy. So one doesn't need to be a hetero male to appreciate her, or the character.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 11, 2020 11:59 AM (Ejm1K)

280 oh, and the Seattle Times thought it necessary to let us know that forest fires increase your risk of COVID.
Posted by: nurse ratched

That's because smoke particles are bigger than Covid particles and that makes the masks useless.

Unless the covid particle attaches to the smoke particles, thereby making them big enough to be stopped.

Or something v

Posted by: rickb223 at September 11, 2020 11:59 AM (xP7rZ)

281 Wow rasmussen is reporting that Trump has 25% black support in North Carolina. He is leading biden 48-46.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at September 11, 2020 11:59 AM (JUOKG)

282 Connery and Craig, yes, the best, with Timothy
Dalton right behind. Lazenby might have been able to grow into the
role. Moore's Bond was the era of the "lighter" Bond -- Moore made a
better Saint.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 11, 2020 11:53 AM (Ejm1K)

Connery yes but even with Diamonds they started to over emphasis the humor. Maybe in reaction to the poor showing of the more serious Majesty's. Craig was good in Casino Royale and gotten worse ever since just like the movies. Maybe it's because he's admitted that he really doesn't like the character and he's a lefty douche that I don't like watching him any more. I'd rather watch the worst Roger Moore Bond than any of the Craig's movies since Casino Royale.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 11, 2020 11:59 AM (96SSR)

283 Everything the globalists want hinges on not only the destruction of, but the discrediting of America, the Enlightenment, the Anglosphere, and the Abrahamic faiths.

It is not merely enough for them that we are broken and cast down, but the ideals that built our nation from nothing to hegemony in little more than a century and a half must be destroyed, or we will rise again no matter what they do.

Liberty is infectious and pours an endless bounty. Those who want to be able to use scarcity - real and artificial - as a control lever understand this.

We produce more than enough food to feed the world, and if a few states would stabilize so that we could distribute it, we could eradicate hunger entirely.

The globalist doesn't want to. He wants to run a hunger management program indefinitely, so that he can decide who is worthy and who isn't. So that he can play God and decide who lives and dies.

They would rather command a sinking ship than serve on the pride of the fleet in peacetime.

Narcissistic megalomaniacs, the whole lot.

Posted by: Cato, Dread Pirate in Training at September 11, 2020 11:59 AM (qxTXc)

284 Make sure to have insurance papers and such... I have one file with important stuff that will be easy to grab if necessary.. We have a big fire here every year
Posted by: It's me donna at September 11, 2020 11:53 AM (Zmnko)

Exactly. We have all of those in a box and the 3 multi-terabyte hard drives that contain most of my life's work are ready to go.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at September 11, 2020 11:59 AM (1OOhd)

285 Hah! Who Dis are Dame Diana and George Lazenby, he of bad career decisions.

Posted by: Weak Geek at September 11, 2020 11:59 AM (Apbdw)

286 CA, but why is OR on fire? Isn't OR a wet climate?

In addition to that post Ace put up yesterday about a Pantifatard setting some of those fires on a livestream, it's been observed that nearly all the fires in OR originated within 100 feet or so of a highway. So it's probably mostly Klantifa.

Posted by: Ian S. at September 11, 2020 11:59 AM (ZGrMX)

287 =====To ask the question is to answer it.

Because antifa is starting the fires.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at September 11, 2020 11:55 AM (pw+jk)

We didn't start the fire!

It was only burning from the Molotov Cocktail.....

*apologies to Billy Joel

Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at September 11, 2020 12:00 PM (vf0Uk)

288 I will pay 1800 quatloos for the punching cheerleader.
___

Let me just say you really don't want a sex slave with a good right hook.

Posted by: Harry Reid at September 11, 2020 12:00 PM (qlFIA)

289 >>Lost...At no point was it better than GoT, nor will it be well remembered.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 11, 2020

Unlike in Game of Thrones, there was never a scene in 'Lost' where a character in the background was shown wiping ejaculate off her face.
The groovy underground bunker in Lost was....groovy.

Posted by: Zod at September 11, 2020 12:00 PM (u4/yY)

290 271 Disagree. Their artisan sandwiches are awesome.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 11, 2020 11:50 AM (s4dNo)
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I prefer drilling for artesian sandwiches, preferably from previously untapped sandwiquifers.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 11, 2020 11:58 AM (Q8c/L)

Congratulations.

Your phone now thinks that is a word.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 11, 2020 12:00 PM (/EuRN)

291 Cheesy Tator Tots. Want.

Au revoir to the lovely Diana Rigg. She was wonderful.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 11, 2020 12:00 PM (gtNWf)

292 I voted absentee in 2016. This time around is it better to vote in person?

Posted by: Augustine at September 11, 2020 12:00 PM (Alp4m)

293 I wonder why they are hitting that so hard.

Brainwashing/propaganda. Orders from PROGDA Command, aka The Ministry of Truth.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Enemy of the Deep State Swamp at September 11, 2020 12:00 PM (HaL55)

294 Congratulations.

Your phone now thinks that is a word.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 11, 2020 12:00 PM (/EuRN)
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One of many reasons I don't post from a phone

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 11, 2020 12:01 PM (Q8c/L)

295 Because antifa is starting the fires.
Posted by: Jukin

Yep, and a bunch of them have been arrested, including one who live-streamed himself setting the fire, face uncovered. These people have no fear of consequences.

Posted by: Mongerel at September 11, 2020 12:01 PM (8b8Sh)

296
I think that people like Lost despite its glaring flaws because they
like the cast. There were a lot of flawed, but likeable characters on
that show.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at September 11, 2020 11:58 AM (H5knJ)

it was a good show and lasted a long time. Sure it went off the rails but most of them do that last. I can think of very few shows that got better in their later years. And as for finales, some don't even give you one. Lost certainly did give a finale for all its flaws.

The key thing with Lost other than the fun on the story is that pretty much everyone from that cast went on to other shows. I know a a lot of famous sitcoms that could not say that.

Posted by: Quint at September 11, 2020 12:01 PM (JCBMS)

297 Wow rasmussen is reporting that Trump has 25% black support in North Carolina. He is leading biden 48-46.

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For those numbers to both be true there have to be a massive number of 2016 white voters that plan to vote for Biden when they didn't for Hillary.

It doesn't make any sense.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 11, 2020 12:01 PM (qlFIA)

298 281 Wow rasmussen is reporting that Trump has 25% black support in North Carolina. He is leading biden 48-46.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at September 11, 2020 11:59 AM (JUOKG)

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I think Ras is doing the same thing most pollsters are doing and assuming a massive drop in white support for Trump in their modeling, otherwise NC wouldn't be that close. Their WI poll wouldn't have Biden ahead either.

I think that assumption is wrong.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, shouting Lawrence! into the desert at September 11, 2020 12:01 PM (UWqZJ)

299 It would have been nice had W changed his tune and become a supporter.

I think one of the tenets of the leftward mind is an inability to change an opinion when circumstances change. Instead, the proven bad opinion is clung to with a ferocious intensity.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at September 11, 2020 12:01 PM (E+OcO)

300
Because antifa is starting the fires.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at September 11, 2020 11:55 AM (pw+jk)

It's mostly peaceful arson.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 11, 2020 12:02 PM (96SSR)

301 The major problem with W is that he thinks of journalists and Demcrats as something other than the enemy.

BTW voting for a Demcrat is a moral crime.

Posted by: Vlad the impaler, whittling away like mad at September 11, 2020 12:02 PM (d6mdH)

302 Posted by: Diogenes at September 11, 2020 11:48 AM (axyOa)

Arrested for arson and they released him?

Posted by: It's me donna

Yes.
Mom had to pay $100.
Un-friggin-believable.

Later kids...off to Ft Lewis.
OM...I know I don't need to say it but stay vigilant. These fires aren't spreading on the wind, they are spreading by thugs.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 11, 2020 12:02 PM (axyOa)

303 Didja see the Antifa cutie of the day in the sidebar?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at September 11, 2020 11:59 AM (+y/Ru)

OMFG.....

Kill it. Kill it with fire. From space. With a nuke.

Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at September 11, 2020 12:02 PM (vf0Uk)

304 nood oregon fires

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 11, 2020 12:02 PM (W2Pud)

305 >>I'd rather watch the worst Roger Moore Bond than any of the Craig's movies since Casino Royale. Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 11, 2020 11:59 AM (96SSR)

Zod directs "Skyfall:"
Opening chase.
Train scene.
"Take the shot! (I can't!) Take the bloody shot!"
BANG (Bond's ticket punched).
Cue intro song.
Roll credits
Fade to black.

Posted by: Zod at September 11, 2020 12:02 PM (u4/yY)

306 Will no one relieve me of this scourge of self-wiping phones?

Posted by: Robert Mueller at September 11, 2020 12:02 PM (sWM8x)

307
nood

Posted by: AltonJackson at September 11, 2020 12:03 PM (DUIap)

308 25% black support in NC? Who's gonna tell Mona Charen?

Posted by: Heart of Darkness at September 11, 2020 12:03 PM (nFRLh)

309 Noooooooooooooooooood! Talkin' bout arson.

Posted by: Laughing in Texas at September 11, 2020 12:03 PM (94rXL)

310 297 Wow rasmussen is reporting that Trump has 25% black support in North Carolina. He is leading biden 48-46.

***

For those numbers to both be true there have to be a massive number of 2016 white voters that plan to vote for Biden when they didn't for Hillary.

It doesn't make any sense.
Posted by: 18-1 at September 11, 2020 12:01 PM (qlFIA)

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It's based on the results of the midterms that they use to help form the model for this year's electorate.

The suburbs moved leftward in 2018. Will they again?

That's the central question.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, shouting Lawrence! into the desert at September 11, 2020 12:03 PM (UWqZJ)

311 Moore's Bond got into the spy game to bed women. Espionage was more of a hobby for him.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, shouting Lawrence! into the desert

I saw Moore in the old TV series The Saint. Boy, did that suck even by 60s craptastic TV standards!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at September 11, 2020 12:03 PM (+y/Ru)

312 Does anyone find it funny how "public polling" and "climate research" use the same exact methodology?

- We need result Y.
- We gathered data X.
- What do we need to do to X in order to get Y?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 11, 2020 12:03 PM (/EuRN)

313 The original sidekick for John Steed was supposed to be a man, and that's how they wrote the part. That is why Mrs. Peel is a badass karate master.

Not sure if that was before they cast Honor Blackman who was the original Mrs. Peel, or if they were going to make him male after her.

Either way, Diana Rigg was fantastic and made the role. And her list of credits afterwards is tremendous. I hear she was a great person off screen as well.

They don't make them like her anymore.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 11, 2020

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True enough. Honor's character was called Cathy Gale, also a (presumed) widow, and her relationship with Steed was more prickly than Emma's with him. I always imagined that (like Perry Mason and Della Street before them), Steed and Emma had had their fling, and discovered they worked better together without a physical relationship.

(There were moments, though, when I was sure they revived the fling, off camera, for a short time.)

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 11, 2020 12:03 PM (Ejm1K)

314 I voted absentee in 2016. This time around is it better to vote in person?

Posted by: Augustine at September 11, 2020 12:00 PM (Alp4m)

I have never voted absentee even when i had a good excuse. I like voting in person. I get hyped on election day and have to do something. I usually go to see how the Repubs are doing at the polls and try to help out. As Mark Levin said last night, it is not about our personal votes. The key is how many R votes we bring with us to the polls.

Posted by: Quint at September 11, 2020 12:03 PM (JCBMS)

315 Diana herself was an accomplished actress of drama as well as comedy. So one doesn't need to be a hetero male to appreciate her, or the character.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 11, 2020 11:59 AM (Ejm1K)

I appreciate her acting talents, but other than that, she never did flick my needle IYKWIM. Not even in her Avenger days.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at September 11, 2020 12:03 PM (1OOhd)

316 >>It astounds me that the MSM really isn't covering the west coast fires at all. I remember other years when smaller fires than this got wall to wall coverage, but today, unless you're on the west coast, it's crickets.

They barely ever mention fires in Montana as anything but an aside.

We have had millions of acres go up over the past few years and nothing from the media during the events.

Posted by: garrett at September 11, 2020 12:04 PM (+P5uU)

317 @38 --

Laughing in Texas, terrific observation!!

Posted by: Weak Geek at September 11, 2020 12:04 PM (Apbdw)

318 316 >>It astounds me that the MSM really isn't covering the west coast fires at all. I remember other years when smaller fires than this got wall to wall coverage, but today, unless you're on the west coast, it's crickets.

They barely ever mention fires in Montana as anything but an aside.

We have had millions of acres go up over the past few years and nothing from the media during the events.
Posted by: garrett at September 11, 2020 12:04 PM (+P5uU)

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Does it affect Manhattan or Los Angeles?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, shouting Lawrence! into the desert at September 11, 2020 12:04 PM (UWqZJ)

319 The Brahmins are here as NGO throne sniffers and non-profit grifters. They're going to be as swampy as the day is long, just as they were back home in the Subcontinent.

The Merchants are here to make a buck, and to get away from the Brahmin assholes they had to deal with back home.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 11, 2020 11:59 AM (/EuRN)

It's worth comparing the Democrats to a caste system, because that's what they are creating.

Posted by: Cato, Dread Pirate in Training at September 11, 2020 12:06 PM (qxTXc)

320 Another thing Bush should've done is worked out a deal with the new Iraqi government to obtain some of their oil revenue as long as we were there. In previous wars (like WWI and II), we ran up the national debt during wartime and then paid it off afterwards. But this time, we ran up a big bill and then just put it on our tab. I like Trump's insistence that other nations we're involved with need to pay their share rather than simply letting us pay for everything. The goal of American foreign policy should not be figuring out how to incorporate the United States into some nebulous global world order but to seek the well-being of our country and to work with other nations when it is in our interest to do so.

I agree that we should be looking out for our national interest, but there is a reason why the Morgenthau Plan was rejected at the end of WWII in regards to Germany. What you suggest is the demontage that the Soviets conducted in Germany after the war. The United States does not do that.

And yes, a long-term presence in the Middle East is not desirable and we should have phased out everyone quietly ages ago. (Don't publicly announce it, just send fewer and fewer people over until eventually you send zero and explain to the Afghans "We gave you your country back; here are the keys, don't screw it up.") But for too many people, making American very whiny again is the cure. No. Don't go in guns blazing all the time. BUT: if you have to, do what you gotta do, and as Napoleon said, "If your objective is to take Vienna, take Vienna." Be judicious in the use of force, and deter people by maintaining the ability to project power and elect leadership that sends a message diplomatically around the world "You mess with us at your great personal risk."

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 11, 2020 12:06 PM (SSJSf)

321 I saw Moore in the old TV series The Saint. Boy, did that suck even by 60s craptastic TV standards!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at September 11, 2020 12:03 PM (+y/Ru)

The Saint was a good show. It had tons of Bond movie actors/actresses as guest stars too.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 11, 2020 12:06 PM (96SSR)

322 Wish it was Sonic, but you go into battle with the army uyou have, not the army you want.

Posted by: Menack at September 11, 2020 12:07 PM (buTO7)

323 97 Wow rasmussen is reporting that Trump has 25% black support in North Carolina. He is leading biden 48-46.

***

For those numbers to both be true there have to be a massive number
of 2016 white voters that plan to vote for Biden when they didn't for
Hillary.

It doesn't make any sense.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 11, 2020 12:01 PM (qlFIA)

agreed, and a recent poll said Trump was leading among Hispanics in Florida. If it was a few cycles ago, that would mean he lead by 20 points. It is white lefty so called college grads, mostly of the female persuasion. It is time to realize that minorities might be Trumps only chance and a major constituenntcy.

Anyone who thinks this election is about race has it all wrong. IT is about people who are dummies that were spat out by education farms to vote Dem.

Posted by: Quint at September 11, 2020 12:08 PM (JCBMS)

324 Let me just say you really don't want a sex slave with a good right hook.
Posted by: Harry Reid at September 11, 2020 12:00 PM (qlFIA)

The Punching Cheerleader shall be to keep my harem in line. Is cultural differences, yes? Do not judge me.

Posted by: Achmed Mohammed at September 11, 2020 12:08 PM (jbF6h)

325 I saw Moore in the old TV series The Saint. Boy, did that suck even by 60s craptastic TV standards!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at September 11, 2020 12:03 PM (+y/Ru)

The Saint was a good show. It had tons of Bond movie actors/actresses as guest stars too.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 11, 2020

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There were moments in it where you could imagine the younger Moore doing a very creditable, Flemingesque Bond.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 11, 2020 12:08 PM (Ejm1K)

326 I place the blame for not having a plan for what happens after the invasion squarely on CENTCOM. The destruction of the Iraqi Army was executed brilliantly, as it had been planned and wargamed for years. Not having the 4th Infantry Division come in from Turkey was unfortunate, as the 173d Airborne Brigade that replaced it did not have the same kind of combat power. But the bottom line is that the work of removing the Iraqi Army from the battlefield went pretty much exactly as expected.

Where we all failed was that no one anticipated that Iraq was so broken. Normally, when you take out the government leadership and armed forces (Grenada, Panama, etc.), after a couple of days the fire department still shows up to go to work putting out fires and the stores open back up and the electricity comes back on, if it was ever off to begin with. Iraq was so broken that none of those things happened. It was a society so accustomed to being terrorized that it did not know how to function without being terrorized. We should have anticipated that and prepared for it. That's what CENTCOM is there for. General Franks should have been asking those tough questions, and certainly the Joint Staff should have been. But no one asked, and the plans just glossed over what happens the day (week, month . . . ) after surrender.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at September 11, 2020 12:12 PM (jK8Z7)

327 @58

Most of the shit we know is from FOIAs from Tom Fittons outfit and others.

Of course they got away with it you have Billy BagPipes and The Loafer dicking around for a years.

It's 50 days till election the odds some indictments will be forthcoming is virtually nil.

This is bullshit.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 11, 2020 12:12 PM (DlgtP)

328 "Another thing Bush should've done is worked out a deal with the new Iraqi government to obtain some of their oil revenue as long as we were there. In previous wars (like WWI and II), we ran up the national debt during wartime and then paid it off afterwards. But this time, we ran up a big bill and then just put it on our tab."

Yeah. Because there was no national debt before this. Right?

Concerning Congress's complete inability to spend our money wisely, of course you are mute. Because that means Americans would actually have to hold Congress accountable, which requires 1)hard work and 2) responsibility.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 11, 2020 12:12 PM (SSJSf)

329 235 I thought commendable, no matter how much Obama slandered GW, GW kept his mouth shut.

Then, after President Trump was elected, I was deeply disappointed when GW decided to open his mouth.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at September 11, 2020 11:53 AM (WEBkv)

Word.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 11, 2020 12:13 PM (SSJSf)

330 I'm about 3 miles from the bobcat fire. Everything smells like being by a campfire. It's horrendous and I don't think we'll see relief until mid October. That's when they predict full containment, not when the fire is out.

Posted by: InCali at September 11, 2020 12:13 PM (9AFWN)

331 282 Connery and Craig, yes, the best, with Timothy
Dalton right behind. Lazenby might have been able to grow into the
role. Moore's Bond was the era of the "lighter" Bond -- Moore made a
better Saint.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 11, 2020 11:53 AM (Ejm1K)

Connery yes but even with Diamonds they started to over emphasis the humor. Maybe in reaction to the poor showing of the more serious Majesty's. Craig was good in Casino Royale and gotten worse ever since just like the movies. Maybe it's because he's admitted that he really doesn't like the character and he's a lefty douche that I don't like watching him any more. I'd rather watch the worst Roger Moore Bond than any of the Craig's movies since Casino Royale.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 11, 2020 11:59 AM (96SSR)

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Not to mention Moore seemed to have the hottest chicks.

From Russia With Love is a great Bond film

Posted by: MAGA at September 11, 2020 12:15 PM (NJ0fV)

332 It depends when you grew up. I grew up in the 80s and Roger Moore was James Bond Everyone now says it was Connery but I never saw him on the big screen. I normally bash moderns who don't know history but when it comes to movies it is something else. You can't change when you grew up and movies don't have the impact they did when you were a kid in my experience.

I also know Moore is a good guy though I don't know his politics. I would eat my hat if he went in with the BS the left does today.

Here he is reciting one of my favorite poems simply because he thinks it matters. https://tinyurl.com/swaf65e

Posted by: Quint at September 11, 2020 12:16 PM (JCBMS)

333 281 Wow rasmussen is reporting that Trump has 25% black support in North Carolina. He is leading biden 48-46.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at September 11, 2020 11:59 AM (JUOKG)

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480-4.6

Closer to right.

Posted by: CZ = Happiness at September 11, 2020 12:16 PM (MkuC5)

334 Emma was a pioneer in adventure TV, a woman who never aspired to be a
man (and who liked men), but could hold her own in a judo- or gunfight.
She was painted as accomplished and educated and given to frequent
witticisms. There was plenty to like and admire about the character.
If only April Dancer of The Girl From U.N.C.L.E. had been more like her!

I said pretty much the same thing to B'Gal yesterday. Mrs. Peel was a great character.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Enemy of the Deep State Swamp at September 11, 2020 12:16 PM (HaL55)

335 Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 11, 2020 12:06 PM (SSJSf)

And if we are ever to do any sort of nation building enterprise again, it must be with clear-eyed analysis, not touchy-feely buddy-buddy bullshit.

Reconstruction is for when you have to completely dismantle a culture to separate the good parts from the bad, throw out the bad, and fill in the voids with new stuff to bind it all back together.

An example is how we approached post-war Japan. The military-oriented culture was overhauled and rebuilt into a business-oriented one.

That's not something you can do while pretending that all cultures are equal and equally worthy of respect. You have to be willing to identify what is wrong and have a clear plan for fixing it, and the will to do some chainsaw pruning if you want to save any part of the tree.

If you can't do that, or that level of intervention isn't necessary, you shouldn't be doing it at all.

Posted by: Cato, Dread Pirate in Training at September 11, 2020 12:20 PM (qxTXc)

336 Posted by: Quint at September 11, 2020 12:16 PM (JCBMS)

I as well grew up the same time and Moore was Bond. However 1983 Connery did Never Say Never Again as a non official Bond movie. First Bond movie I saw on the big screen was Octopussy. Maude Adams and micro jets baby.

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at September 11, 2020 12:23 PM (k/TB6)

337 331 I don't care for Craig as Bond and the fact that he has stated that he doesn't care for the character does not sit well with me. "The why the hell play him???"

I didn't care for Lazenby or Dalton (though Mr. Dalton was okay in The Living Daylights). But Brosnan, Moore and of course Connery were perfectly good. For the best one, I'd have to give the nod to Mr. Connery.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 11, 2020 12:24 PM (SSJSf)

338 Bush thought staying above the fray was possible. He was illustrative in proving you cant. If every milquetoast Republican since Wendell Willkie Has been branded as FashMcHitler we cant keep taking a knife to a gunfight. Four score of that bullshit.

Posted by: PUE 206 at September 11, 2020 12:26 PM (D/SYi)

339 Said it before and I say it again; Barr was brought in to broker/pilot a deal between Trump and the IC Deep State.

Over all aims were that Trump would be cleared publicly of all the made up charges and the IC to be shown making illegal or "ill-advised" moves but that none of the upper echelon would be charged or do any time or lose pensions.

So far that's all that's happened and it would seem to look like that's all there will be whether Trump wins the Pres. or not.

There is one person who may not have been part of the agreement but may still be covered by it and that is Brennan. I doubt he will face trial or charge but I believe his reputation will suffer further as he was the point man behind the entire show.

This is not the first time Barr has been used as a fixer withing the inner circles of the FedGov. Read up on his past and his appearance of integrity and justice takes a big hit under anyones view.

This was the best deal Trump could get as they have the bureaucracy sewed up and could've caused many more problems for the country and showed themselves willing to do so. Trump did get taken a bit because the IC knew what the DNC was about to do and figured that they would let them proceed to continue the attacks on Trump while they sat back and kept quiet.

Don't be too upset we lost the country many years ago and have been operating on a two tier justice system and those in the executive branch being guided (misguided) by IC for a long time. It just wasn't so bad because until recently those in the IC were Pro American in viewpoint and politics.

That changed with Obama and we now have a lot of anti Americans in charge.

Trump will get us back in the game economically but our means of governance is broken and cannot be fixed by the very people who broke it in the first place. So we are doomed to have more trouble happen.

Posted by: jakee308 at September 11, 2020 12:26 PM (ny0bQ)

340 Those tater tots better not be made with Cheese-Whiz.

Posted by: Wegener at September 11, 2020 12:27 PM (XjK/v)

341 Posted by: jakee308 at September 11, 2020 12:26 PM (ny0bQ)

Not sure Im buying, but Ill keep my mind and eyes open to the idea.

Posted by: PUE 206 at September 11, 2020 12:29 PM (D/SYi)

342 I still like Bush. I still think he was treated unfairly by Democrats. I have been to Iraq and Afg and my thoughts have changed about whether those areas can be 'fixed' but I still don't think it was a mistake to go. We just get bogged down in "was it worth the blood and treasure?"

I will explain. After 9/11, someone was getting an ass whooping. Period. Bin Laden in Afg would have been enough but at the same time, Saddam was non-compliant and in material breach of numerous UN resolutions.

Now when i say, "someone was getting an ass whooping" I am acknowledging that current world peace is built on the premise that the United States is the best and baddest motherf'r on the planet. 9/11 challenged that.

And while we can stomp a 3rd hellhole like Afg, we also couldn't let Saddam Hussein thumb his nose at the ceasefire conditions brokered by the UN. If we want the UN to mean anything, then UN resolutions must be enforced.

Yet Hussein remained in material breach of res 687 at a time when the world needed to see that the United States was still strong. So the UN made a deal and found Iraq in breach of the cease fire, meaning that hostilities could continue, but with the caveat that Bush give them a second chance at a cease fire with res 1441.

Hans Blix regrettably reported to the UN that Iraq "receycled the same information that found them in breach of res 687." ..then, arguably, France sold a security council veto to Hussein for oil field rights...Bush said "f' it. we are going anyway."

So why is this important now?

Do we really think the UAE and Isreal would've signed a diplomatic agreement without the preceding decades of terror and the wars that countered them?

I don't think they would have.

Bush gave the world a view of what the US military could do and, I agreed then but now feel it was misguided, for the first time tried to implant Democracy rather than just supporting the best bad guy in the Middle East.

Obama gave the world of view of what happens with an absent US...or worse...what it looks like when the US gives Europe a leading role and "leads from behind." The middle east exploded in death and violence.

Trump told the world what the US military doesn't want to do. He has made it clear that he doesn't really care if some distant hellhole kills each other from now until eternity. he won't send US troops there to die for people who hate us. And then he used different levers of power, economic levers, to shape the future.

That one small directional change in Iraq...instill democracy rather than support a dictator...kept us in Iraq longer than we should've been but also led to the 3 different versions of US power being exposed.

I think these countries didn't much like Bush at the time, later preferred him to the fecklessness of Obama, and now wish to seize an opportunity with Trump.

I think the UAE bought stock in the Trump MidEast doctrine hoping that the Bush or Obama doctrines would never return.

But back to Bush, 1) of Afg or Saudi Arabia...Afg was the right choice to attack in response to 9/11. Bin Laden was hiding there and it was less an attack on a country than faction in tribal society.

And the world needed to see the US stomp someone or the world order established by American strength would have been shattered.

2) he invaded, deposed, and tried a known terror supporter and murderer who was openly defying the same world order that American power has sustained since WW2. He needed to comply but thought he had purchased enough of French vetoes through Oil For Food that he could get away with not.

Had Bush allowed him to remain...there would be an entirely different dynamic in the MidEast.

Staying in Iraq is the only foreseeable path to the UAE and Isreal normalizing relations. Was it worth the blood and treasure?

Maybe one day we will look back and say yes.

Posted by: thesgm at September 11, 2020 12:30 PM (KdKb5)

343 >>Lost...At no point was it better than GoT, nor will it be well remembered.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 11, 2020

i never saw an episode of GOT, likely I never will. What would it tell me about anything? I don't mid that others like it but I doubt it will live on because, why?

I could be missing out but sex and violence for the sake of it likely won't last. It was huge when it happened but I doubt it will be remembered long.

Posted by: Quint at September 11, 2020 12:36 PM (JCBMS)

344 Lost has been gone a long time and many youtube reactors continue to watch the show today. I don't need to defend it as the facts are there for all to see.

Posted by: Quint at September 11, 2020 12:39 PM (JCBMS)

345 Lost wasn't even Nolan's best TV series, that'd be "Person of Interest".

Posted by: Ian S. at September 11, 2020 12:40 PM (ZGrMX)

346 Im sure everyone will think that Im full of it.

Bush was right about one thing. There were WMDs in Iraq. I know because I was there when our NBC monitors went off for chemical weapon exposure. Its annotated in my SRB. I coughed up blood for three weeks.

Posted by: PUE 206 at September 11, 2020 12:41 PM (D/SYi)

347 Overall, I thought Bush did a good job considering he was fighting the democrats, deep state and media as well as the GWOT. It's pretty much forgotten all the large protests against the GWOT in the U.S. and world during the Bush years.

His take on illegals doing jobs Americans won't do, recent response to how police treat young black men and comments towards Trump has pissed me off.

Posted by: YatYas at September 11, 2020 12:46 PM (1S6ZZ)

348 This planet is complicated. By humans. What'll they do next?

Posted by: klaftern at September 11, 2020 12:51 PM (RuIsu)

349
"deep thots"

You realize that's an insult to actual thots?

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at September 11, 2020 12:54 PM (1hM1d)

350 RIP, Diana Rigg. I have many fond memories of her... and those outfits she wore on The Avengers.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at September 11, 2020 01:15 PM (H3MF8)

351 I was a huge Bush supporter and argued endlessly in favor of the Iraq war. Now I can't stand him and regret it. The reason is because I've now seen the stark contrast between Trump and Bush. Trump is fearless and he fights back. Trump doesn't pursue loosing strategies. Bush let himself be a punching bag against criticism of both himself personally and his policies. As a result we got Obama, and the middle east efforts turned into a half-ass mess that's both depressing and infuriating to contemplate.

Posted by: Mozam at September 11, 2020 01:18 PM (uToj1)

352 OHMSS is my personal favorite Bond movie. I wish Lazenby hadn't flaked out and took a year off; we might have had more of him.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at September 11, 2020 01:27 PM (fpng3)

353 350 RIP, Diana Rigg. I have many fond memories of her... and those outfits she wore on The Avengers.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at September 11, 2020 01:15 PM (H3MF

One, she was no shrinking violet.

Two...she was so bloody hot.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 11, 2020 03:10 PM (SSJSf)

354 I always believed that Bush didn't fight back when the left and the press called him Hitler because he thought it unpresidential; but what Trump has exposed is that Bush knew that these insults were not aimed at him but at his followers....and Bush obviously didn't disagree. Whereas when Trump fights back against the left's insults he always reminds us that it is really all of us that the left is insulting. I believe that Bush disassociated himself from the left's rage and seems - in retrospect - to have pretty much agreed with their assessment of conservatives and felt no desire to defend us.

Posted by: JT Smith at September 11, 2020 03:10 PM (frfx6)

355 Oh, and a globalist is nothing more, nothing less than a citizen with a valid passport, and god forbid it have visas.

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Posted by: MachiasPrivateer at September 11, 2020 05:55 PM (EMi53)

358 Bush was always a scumbag right from the beginning. What did you think he meant when he labeled himself a "compassionate conservative" even before the election? He meant that he was going to carry on with the traditional Republican program of servicing billionaires while mollifying his alleged opponents by giving them his constituents goods, money, and rights. He and his brother are flat out traitors when it comes to immigration. They can hardly ever open their mouths without talking about how much better immigrants are than (non-rich) Americans. Seriously in any healthy society they'd be tried and executed. Everything you see happening in the streets of America today is downstream from Bush supported excessive immigration.

Posted by: bob at September 13, 2020 12:59 PM (cOQSC)

359 Bush's error, and mine, was not being racist enough. Well, not racist exactly, as Islam is not a race. I don't know how the Enlightenment is going to happen for the Muslim world, but until it does, they lack the foundation needed for a pluralist democracy. Afghanistan, Iraq, etc don't need different and better leaders. They need different and better people.

Posted by: Anotheranon at September 14, 2020 09:37 AM (ICLNC)

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