Ron Coleman Has an Epiphany: We Live in Different Moral Universes, and We Are No Longer Even Close to Being One People

Ron Coleman, a conservative lawyer who has defended bloggers in free speech cases, has always been #based, so this isn't some weak National Review c#ck suddenly seeing the light.

But he's made a big realization: There is no putting Humpty Dumpty together again.

I think a lot of people are going to be making some major realizations in the coming days.


I guess I had an epiphany. It is funny how we think we're "based now," but are, really, still stuck in old mindsets.

On the way to my new office I drive past the office of a relative whose law office I once worked in as an intern, many years ago. He was kind and generous.
Though we never grew close, I was always grateful for his early guidance and exposure to law practice. He is pretty successful. We have lived nearby, and stay in touch a bit.

But politics... politics, like sex, changes everything.

He is a committed Clintonite.

And as my public persona has become more and more political in recent years, we have clashed.

I have tried to avoid personal conflict with him, but above all I have been astonished at his intellectual dishonesty about the people and causes he supports.


And what I am often trying to do is justify myself, show him his attacks on my views (say, on Facebook, where they are mostly likely to be found) are based on mistaken premises, etc.

I always liked him. But now I am driving by his office regularly, and I don't stop in.

And I thought about this, and another relationship came to mind - one with a former college professor of mine whom I respect and like a lot. He is a liberal, too, but he is also fighting an important public cultural fight against a particularly ugly LW myth that is about.

We recently renewed our relationship when Mrs. C picked up his book on this topic, and we attended a public lecture of his nearby, and it was really very pleasant.

(This is why you go to the great universities, by the way.)

And we started corresponding.

And I should have known trouble was brewing because at this lecture, involving a topic in American history, there was a Q&A session, and inevitably Trump came up, and inevitably he reassured the audience that Trump was awful and deserved to be removed.

And we chalked this up to, well, the social milieu. He "has to say that." He even has to believe it.

Everyone can have his blind spots, and politics is, well, funny. After all, his generation was raised to believe that Nixon was the antichrist.

Nixon was not the antichrist.

But in the course of our correspondence about the culture war, in which we agreed about just about everything, the politics crept in, inevitably.

And rather than excerpt his comments, presumably meant to be private, let's just say what I hoped was not the case, is the case:


We do not live in the same moral universe.

This cannot be a matter of how we understand or perceive facts. The way people on the left describe facts is a manifestation of an outlook that is a set of choices.

These choices are not defensible any more, if they ever were.

And I was writing in this mode of trying to find common ground - and to his credit, he was, too... except that his "factual" premises (merely political conclusions) were just absurd. They were no more reasonable or measured, in and of themselves, than a Twitter exchange.

Although, again, the tone was, and this is not for nothing.

And I thanked him for this thoughts, and promised I would write back.

I have not written back.

I guess am tired of doing the work with ... these people.

"These people" who I like, as people. Who have been generous to me, who have extended themselves personally, who are humane and generous... but in the hyper-politicized world we all live in, it is I who have to prove to them, constantly, that no, I'm still ok!

I am certainly not going to go out of my way to antagonize "these people." I at least owe them that much.

But I guess I am tired of going out of my way to assuage them, reassure them, be the moderate one, pretend to think their takes could be reasonable.

To pretend.

Why I am pretending to tolerate people who believe I am in league with Literal Nazis and that in supporting Trump I am supporting, as another academic I have known for years said of him on Facebook, "the worst person who ever lived"?

He has tenure, and he wrote this publicly.

You can't go home again.

I don't know if I can ever stop in at that office halfway between my home and my work where I had my summer internship 35 years ago. I like my dad's cousin, because I like most people.

But I do not respect him. He does not respect me.

Is this a proper epiphany, though? Should we be as Marxists and indeed politicize everything and every relationship, even when there are common and human reasons to want to maintain them?

Or is it just rational to avoid inevitable conflict and inevitable retreat?

Don't lose the thread now, Ron. You're so close.

John Ekdahl also just had a moment of clarity. He's been an NFL lifer. Yeah, he's been very annoyed by the #WokeFL, but he couldn't kick the habit.

He now says, "I'm out."


A lot of people are Leveling Up in basedness.

Do you know anyone who's had an epiphany? Have you yourself Leveled Up?

I know a lot of conservatives are patriots and do not want to lose America as we know it -- but America as we knew it has been dead for a decade.

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Posted by: Mikey NTH -Convention Specials! Scalp Weasel Grooming Products 25% at The Outrage Outlet! at August 28, 2020 03:33 PM (E8fen)

2 Whoa. And I read the content.

Posted by: Mikey NTH -Convention Specials! Scalp Weasel Grooming Products 25% at The Outrage Outlet! at August 28, 2020 03:33 PM (E8fen)

3 rd

Posted by: Mikey NTH -Convention Specials! Scalp Weasel Grooming Products 25% at The Outrage Outlet! at August 28, 2020 03:33 PM (E8fen)

4 I sent the Nood Signal.

Posted by: Mikey NTH -Convention Specials! Scalp Weasel Grooming Products 25% at The Outrage Outlet! at August 28, 2020 03:34 PM (E8fen)

5 Where is everyone?

Posted by: Mikey NTH -Convention Specials! Scalp Weasel Grooming Products 25% at The Outrage Outlet! at August 28, 2020 03:34 PM (E8fen)

6 not first

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a madhouse! A Madhouse! at August 28, 2020 03:34 PM (LvTSG)

7 It's echoey in here.

Posted by: Mikey NTH -Convention Specials! Scalp Weasel Grooming Products 25% at The Outrage Outlet! at August 28, 2020 03:35 PM (E8fen)

8 Football? What's a football?

Posted by: Ralphie at August 28, 2020 03:35 PM (Zmnko)

9 Look! Company!

Posted by: Mikey NTH -Convention Specials! Scalp Weasel Grooming Products 25% at The Outrage Outlet! at August 28, 2020 03:35 PM (E8fen)

10 Entirely different universes altogether.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at August 28, 2020 03:36 PM (NWiLs)

11 Thanks for that mental image from the end of last thread. Bea Arthur. *shudder*

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 28, 2020 03:36 PM (A5zUN)

12 When I say I feel like beating most of the public with tire irons, it's shorthand for this.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at August 28, 2020 03:36 PM (FtO5h)

13


The professional Communist revolutionaries will have to be rounded up and imprisoned for decades (or killed), and the money confiscated under RICO and Terrorism statutes. It's the only way to stop these vile kunts, save Volley Fire...

Posted by: Rando Skank at August 28, 2020 03:37 PM (d6DSt)

14 I look at this knowing it's true, and laugh at the Dems and elites who blather "we're in this together" and "Biden is a uniter, not a divider"

They don't want unity, they want conformity and submission to their "truths"

Posted by: kbdabear at August 28, 2020 03:37 PM (qAR6u)

15 My own cousin, with whom I was very close, stopped talking to me right around when the George Floyd protests (and riots) began. He sent me a few nasty texts because he blames Trump and by extension me, and that was it. He won't even respond to a mutual friend in the group text chain we had going to try to keep our spirits up at the beginning of the pandemic.
Thanks TDS!

Posted by: Iasonas at August 28, 2020 03:37 PM (IVj0Y)

16 willowed, I knew it, I could sense it

Posted by: Hands at August 28, 2020 03:37 PM (786Ro)

17 This cannot be a matter of how we understand or perceive facts. The way people on the left describe facts is a manifestation of an outlook that is a set of choices.
***

The left believes the future is set in stone, and the now, the very facts of life and the world around us, are changeable.


If everyone thinks "right", then we can have utopia. And we will, for it is foreordained.


This is why the left hates people not just for acting against their utopia, not even just for speaking against it, but for even daring to *think* against it.


Posted by: 18-1 at August 28, 2020 03:37 PM (qlFIA)

18 I can't envision the Democrats or the left more generally agreeing to an amicable divorce.

Posted by: Northernlurker, don't pay me no mind at August 28, 2020 03:38 PM (lgiXo)

19 A lot of people are Leveling Up in basedness.

Do you know anyone who's had an epiphany? Have you yourself Leveled Up?
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I now understand that libertarians are quite comfortable with communism.

In fact, libertarian communism even has its own name: anarchism.

I get now why the Reasonoids were always so eager to join with the left - they were always on the same side.

The difference was that libertarians hate *state* control; but they're fine with maga-corps running your life, because they assume they will be running them.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at August 28, 2020 03:38 PM (cfSRQ)

20 They truly believe a man in a dress is a woman and a human child in the womb is possibly some type of badger or swan, and no one knows what comes out until birth. That the parties switched names. That all black people are bumbling, low-IQ sociopaths who can neither learn nor behave. That (literally, in the last week or so) 2+2 =/= 4 because white men discovered math. That periods at the end of sentences are "triggering."

There is no common sense anymore. There is no science any more. The left is actively and willingly trying to move society back into a second dark age.

I dread what comes next if this isn't dealt with in the next four years.

Posted by: Charles Darwin - The median COVID-19 age of death is older than the current male lifespan at August 28, 2020 03:38 PM (C1ewN)

21 This is what I've been sayin for a while. Morals 'feel' right. Unexamined, one believes them to be univeral. The left's moral framework was corrupted long ago when it abandoned G-d and a belief in objective reality. The divide is irreconcilable as long as the left believes that anything with which is disagrees is not just wrong but immoral.

Posted by: iandeal at August 28, 2020 03:38 PM (iZJ5K)

22 They don't want unity, they want conformity and submission to their "truths"

***

They want you to kneel. And cover your face. Like a good little serf.


Posted by: 18-1 at August 28, 2020 03:38 PM (qlFIA)

23 I'm totally levelled up. I am at Max Level, so to speak. I can draw a sharp line between normal people who just repeat what's in the media, and complete degenerates who deserve to be destroyed.

In the end, Ron Coleman is divorced from much of his profession. But that profession already has far, far too much power over our society. At the peak of optimism, all lawyers need to be fired, Congress needs to be sacked, and all elite bankers forced into submission. Otherwise we're just re arranging deck chairs on the Titanic, and are heading for a Pol Pot style purge of all the elites who are irretrievably hostile to the American population that they are parasites on.

If he believed what he said, the poor fool would quit and find some honest work before they purge him from law.

Posted by: trev006 at August 28, 2020 03:39 PM (A0aOP)

24 What does this have to do with AOC's tits?

Posted by: wth at August 28, 2020 03:39 PM (v0R5T)

25 I saw a bumper sticker today on some old hag's car that said;

"Democrats 2020: We're not perfect but we're not nuts"

Yes you are, all of you. Just to varying degrees

Posted by: kbdabear at August 28, 2020 03:39 PM (qAR6u)

26 I was born two seats too the right of Judge Bork.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 28, 2020 03:39 PM (4Hf9E)

27 Scott Adams put it like we're in the same theater, the same exact movie is playing on the screen-- and the left is watching a completely different movie than us

Posted by: RoyalOil at August 28, 2020 03:39 PM (aO8Gd)

28 It's Psychopathic Marxist Totalitarians against Normal People.

As it has been since the 1880s.

Posted by: Sharkman at August 28, 2020 03:39 PM (GckyN)

29 18
I can't envision the Democrats or the left more generally agreeing to an amicable divorce.

Posted by: Northernlurker, don't pay me no mind at August 28, 2020 03:38 PM (lgiXo)

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Nope. Politics is their religion, and we need to convert to be exterminated.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at August 28, 2020 03:39 PM (cfSRQ)

30 I can't envision the Democrats or the left more generally agreeing to an amicable divorce.

-

We've been talking about this for a few years now, and they can't because they don't want to live without us. They hate us, but they want that control over us. They can't stand the idea of you not baking their cake.

Posted by: Charles Darwin - The median COVID-19 age of death is older than the current male lifespan at August 28, 2020 03:39 PM (C1ewN)

31 I found this comment just now on sfgate(dot)com[mie]: "My biggest fear at the outset of this pandemic was The fact it would
give a small group of the most extremely mediocre people imaginable
(politicians, the press) God-like power over the populace. Unfortunately
my fears have been realized"

Alright, which Moron wrote this???
(H/T: Green_Triangle)

Posted by: SFGoth at August 28, 2020 03:40 PM (KAi1n)

32 the left has mainstreamed mental illness, in multiple areas of life.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at August 28, 2020 03:40 PM (kA3Cp)

33 That the parties switched names
***

It is fascinating that you can show leftists a continuing line from Wilson, to FDR, to LBJ, to Byrd, to Clinton and yet, yes, somehow the "parties switched".


Posted by: 18-1 at August 28, 2020 03:40 PM (qlFIA)

34 23
I'm totally levelled up. I am at Max Level, so to speak.

Posted by: trev006 at August 28, 2020 03:39 PM (A0aOP)

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Name level, it's called.

You're now a Moron Lord.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at August 28, 2020 03:40 PM (cfSRQ)

35 https://bit.ly/3b5RidA
*******
Hillary Clinton: Trump Held 'Law-Breaking Convention'
*******
Is that Hillary Soros Or George Clinton & Parliament Funkadelic

Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at August 28, 2020 03:40 PM (Er9d2)

36 The thing is, most people are normal. They might be more big government normal or more small government normal, but they're normal.

The crazies are the minority, but they're a very vocal, powerful minority. They are the media, the athletes, the special interest unions, and the government nags, but they are still the minority. The only way they ever win any election is because they lie, cheat, and steal, and dupe just enough normal people for whom politics isn't their religion.

It's not a war we need, because you don't fight a war with a pesky wasp's nest. You just knock it down and move on with your life.

Posted by: Matthew Martin at August 28, 2020 03:40 PM (ZR7kf)

37 weird, 2nd time today


I was just reading this. From a link in Schlitcer's twitter feed.

Kurt Schlichter @KurtSchlichter

My lawyer @RonColeman has a terrific thread ...

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 28, 2020 03:40 PM (rjE57)

38 They don't want unity, they want conformity and submission to their "truths"



Also known as, "they don't want to hear your opinion. They want to hear their opinion coming out of your mouth".

Fuck them.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 28, 2020 03:41 PM (4Hf9E)

39 My boss is a dyed in the wool, totally "woke" Hillaryite, and is equally vehement in her hatred of all things Trump.

But all of her hires for drivers in the fleet, are middle aged white guys with strong work and/or military backgrounds. Trumpians to the last man.

We're the only ones who've proven to be reliable, show up on time and pass any given drug test on any given day.

You'd think she would call that: "a clue". But, no.

Alas, she's a bit lighter on slinging the "Hitler" than Mr. Coleman's friends and acquaintances. Tolerable, you might say.

But don't ever bring up an active conversation on politics. The libtrardian goes clear down to the core and into the soul.



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at August 28, 2020 03:41 PM (QzJWU)

40 I've got a daughter I'm close to disowning because she's so intellectually dishonest about Hillary, Obama and Biden.

I've changed my mind about Bush, Romney and McCain, because new facts have come out that convinced me I was wrong.

When it comes to Biden, Obama and Hillary, there is no fact that will dissuade lefties from worshiping at the alter of their idols.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at August 28, 2020 03:41 PM (WEBkv)

41 I'm done with sports, as I'm sure most here are. Was trickling back in a bit last year but yeah I'm done for real this time.

Posted by: brak at August 28, 2020 03:41 PM (cG+eD)

42 I had an argument with a close family friend. She was raving on about QAnon and Pizzagate. I said yeah, they are sure stupid. Then she said the weirdest thing. "You know, it is all about getting Hillary."

"Hillary?"

"yeah, they are still trying to get her."

"Um, I don't think anyone is still trying to get her. Not one cares at all about her. She didn't even speak at the DNC."

She disagreed. I added "I think Jeffery Epstein is the reason a lot of people believe that stuff."

She stared at me "That is all about getting Hillary."

Things went downhill from their.

It is the weirdest thing - they BELIEVE all sorts of crazy conspiracy junk, and at the same time, spend huge amounts of time decrying conspiracy junk.

Posted by: Inspector Kemp at August 28, 2020 03:41 PM (BLOTa)

43 I know a lot of moderate dems that are voting for Trump.

Posted by: demoncrat at August 28, 2020 03:41 PM (UA3tE)

44 They hate us, but they want that control over us. They can't stand the idea of you not baking their cake.
***

Back when the debate over Obamacare started, I repeatedly pointed out there was nothing stopping people that believed "healthcare was a right" from banding together in a health collective and agreeing to pay their bills collectively.


The answer I got consistently was "but then some people wouldn't have to pay!"

Posted by: 18-1 at August 28, 2020 03:42 PM (qlFIA)

45 Does everyone now realize how bad public education is?

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at August 28, 2020 03:42 PM (h1jJh)

46 Before some of you go all Shakespeare on us lawyers, I've done my part for the concept of the right to own property (and I mean real property).

Posted by: SFGoth at August 28, 2020 03:42 PM (KAi1n)

47 I'm sure many of us have had the same conversation I had with a Frenchman, living in America, who assured me there was no Islamic terrorism in France, and never had been. "It was all the news, trying to start something. There are no no-go zones, its nonsense."
It's hard to believe, but there it is. Some of the more coo-coo people on twitter speak of conspiracies to change brainwaves (vaccines + 5G cell towers, for instance) but it does seem like there's a lot more delusional-crazy out there than there used to be.

Posted by: artemis at August 28, 2020 03:42 PM (AwPyG)

48 Bernie Sanders@BernieSanders

Trump: Abraham Lincoln.
Fox: News.

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Boy, these SAT questions are getting harder and harder! Either that or we don't even speak the same language.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at August 28, 2020 03:42 PM (+y/Ru)

49 8 Football? What's a football?
Posted by: Ralphie at August 28, 2020 03:35 PM (Zmnko)

LOL!

Posted by: demoncrat at August 28, 2020 03:43 PM (UA3tE)

50 I can't envision the Democrats or the left more generally agreeing to an amicable divorce.
Posted by: Northernlurker,

--

No, the divorce attempt was the civil war. What they want is ante bellum with those that don't blindly agree with them as the slaves.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at August 28, 2020 03:43 PM (kA3Cp)

51 18
I can't envision the Democrats or the left more generally agreeing to an amicable divorce.

Posted by: Northernlurker, don't pay me no mind at August 28, 2020 03:38 PM (lgiXo)

There would be no such thing.

Posted by: Mikey NTH -Convention Specials! Scalp Weasel Grooming Products 25% at The Outrage Outlet! at August 28, 2020 03:43 PM (E8fen)

52 We're the only ones who've proven to be reliable, show up on time and pass any given drug test on any given day.

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Have you experienced the phenomenon where only the white Christian family men mysteriously get routinely and repeatedly called every month for the "random" drug tests?

THAT is the systemic racism people keep telling us about.

Posted by: Charles Darwin - The median COVID-19 age of death is older than the current male lifespan at August 28, 2020 03:43 PM (C1ewN)

53 One of the things Trump has done is demonstrate that you don't HAVE to let the other side always set the terms of debate. You don't HAVE to accept that they're the arbiter of morality, decency, and ethics.

Mike

Posted by: MBunge at August 28, 2020 03:43 PM (ZFuAf)

54 Read the content, whew. A good read, though.

Posted by: Curly Shuffle at August 28, 2020 03:43 PM (ch6++)

55 They will never, ever, leave us alone. We will have to defeat them utterly. The only thing as yet uncertain is exactly what form the conflict will ultimately require.

Posted by: filbert at August 28, 2020 03:43 PM (ojae1)

56 I refuse to accept this. It was the goal of the Soviets and the Marxists have played their game well, but I'm not settling for half of America. I remember a guy with a better idea.

"We win. They lose."

--Ronald Reagan

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Low Glycemic Souls at August 28, 2020 03:43 PM (Wm5SB)

57 Excuse my ignorance. What is an "LW myth"?

Posted by: Pete in Texas at August 28, 2020 03:44 PM (2RBkF)

58 There is a weird undercurrent here:

-the only reason the Soviets failed is because we opposed them.

This is something I remember reading a while back, but you see it cropping up not just in what is said on the fringes but also revealed by their actions. They believe that if anyone is practicing free market policies, it will cause the communist dream to fail. That a policy so fragile and tenuous that the mere existence of an opposing ideology will cause it to fail is a pretty shitty policy, but there you go.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 28, 2020 03:44 PM (A5zUN)

59 There are literal photos of underage girls giving Bill Clinton a message.

Women claim he molested them.

He diddled an intern inside the oval office.

Yet...ask any dem about Clinton and they will either love him, or immediately change the subject. They will never, ever admit he is a total scumbag.

Posted by: Inspector Kemp at August 28, 2020 03:44 PM (BLOTa)

60 @24 wth-You know I'm really conflicted on whether I'd hit AOC or not. IMO she has a smoking little bod and stellar tits. Nice hair, pretty eyes when they're not looking crazy and beady. F'ing butter-face chicks with a smoking' body are trouble.......

Posted by: JROD at August 28, 2020 03:44 PM (0jZnq)

61 Coleman's dilemma resonates with me certainly living in Nancy Pelosi's district.

I realized many years ago during my own transformation that leftism is not a rational coherent set of beliefs and so using reason, logic, and rationale to argue against them is useless.

This is why I support the Pinochet solution. Because I want them to be afraid for a while to speak their horrible thoughts out loud.

The Democrats have given license to the worst of us. They must be eliminated as a threat. They are a Clear and Present Danger. They cannot be reasoned with. There is no alternative, like a rabid dog, they must be put down.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 28, 2020 03:44 PM (4BMGG)

62 -They don't want unity, they want conformity and submission to their "truths"

Exactly right.

Leveling up over here, Boss!

86'd oldest sibling who is a frothing anti-trumptard, middle sibling who is a simpering "clever" passive aggressive leftard, and youngest sibling who is a shrieking msnbc regurgitard.

Facebook is being pruned accordingly.

Posted by: Boxx Culvert - no, I am NOT entertained. at August 28, 2020 03:44 PM (wmfhQ)

63 I honestly think a sincerely interested leftie could approach a typical conservative and have a rational conversation about why the conservative believes what they believe.
I don't the reverse applies.

Posted by: Northernlurker, don't pay me no mind at August 28, 2020 03:44 PM (lgiXo)

64 >>45 Does everyone now realize how bad public education is?


yup. The communists did it.

In the New America, leftists will not be permitted in any field dealing with children.

Posted by: ace at August 28, 2020 03:44 PM (PbpT7)

65 The difference was that libertarians hate *state* control; but they're fine with maga-corps running your life, because they assume they will be running them.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at August 28, 2020 03:38 PM (cfSRQ)

Libertarians run jack shit. I think I may know of two who aren't parasites on think tank welfare. Rich Nikoley has fled to Thailand- he's the type of man who would be happy and productive no matter where he is. Billy Beck is surprisingly still alive. His reach is even less than my own, and I don't care about or use most social media. He's basically a mundane version of Rorschach from Watchmen. I suspect the coming years wil kill him when he's caught between wokeness and nationalism. But they can't defeat him. So honors to him for that.

Posted by: trev006 at August 28, 2020 03:44 PM (A0aOP)

66 LW = leftwing

Posted by: mnw at August 28, 2020 03:44 PM (Cssks)

67
It would be nice if there was just one owner of a sports team who, faced with players refusing to play that night, would say, "You are in breach of your contract. Your services are no longer needed. I wish you the best of luck with your future endeavors."

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 28, 2020 03:44 PM (mht8P)

68 2020 was the year I ended all my friendships with lefties and closed all my social media accounts.

Although I use the term friendship loosely, over trumps term things had gotten my tense with them to the point when they went full on Karen due to wuflu I kindly told them to fuck right off to hell. Done.

Posted by: Two Weeks From Being The Flags Behind Ivanka at August 28, 2020 03:44 PM (+dsLj)

69 53 One of the things Trump has done is demonstrate that you don't HAVE to let the other side always set the terms of debate. You don't HAVE to accept that they're the arbiter of morality, decency, and ethics.

Mike
Posted by: MBunge at August 28, 2020 03:43 PM (ZFuAf)

This.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 28, 2020 03:44 PM (A5zUN)

70 I told my SO that we won't be dining in NYC anytime soon, partly because it's too dangerous but mainly because almost everyone of the people I'd give my money to would supports the politicians that hate me.
I'll stick to the local Cuban place whose owner hates socialists and the local brewery owned by a Republican.

Posted by: Iasonas at August 28, 2020 03:45 PM (IVj0Y)

71 I will continue having relationships with people I disagree with politically, as should be the case in a civilized society. But, with the exception of family, if someone decides to treat me with disrespect and destroy our relationship because of politics, I will let them go.

Luckily, all my relationships with old friends and family remain intact, despite most of them being liberals or leftists.

Posted by: chique l'African Viking Queen of Greenland (don't forget that Epstein didn't off hisself) at August 28, 2020 03:45 PM (OvqYk)

72 The way to handle this is the smile, nod and await their lamentations come November. Yeah, I know, they will then claim Trump (we) colluded with Satan to steal this election as well. But we are dealing hoarder cat ladies and this is the way hoarder cat ladies deal with reality. And, yeah, they smell of cat urine and body odor and talk to themselves a lot. Best to smile, nod and move along.

Posted by: Puddin Head at August 28, 2020 03:45 PM (DQQq8)

73

"Lefties, you are welcome to your own set of opinions.

But not your own set of facts."


I have used this a few times in the last few months.

It is how I finish the last text/email/comment I have sent them, after sometimes decades of friendship or at least interaction.

Cuz they've gone crazy. Effing crazy.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at August 28, 2020 03:45 PM (sy5kK)

74 @45
One of the speakers at the convention called school vouchers "the civil rights issue of our time". It would be amazing if the new congress was strong enough to push through vouchers. Now's the time, with everyone disgusted with the teachers unions

Posted by: artemis at August 28, 2020 03:45 PM (AwPyG)

75 I am being polite to the idiot stepdaughter. We need to get the estate probated, so we can all get on with our lives.

She has an online business. She plans to turn this house into a rental, making her a landlord. She is as far left as you want to go. And she is totally clueless about how the left feels about business owners and landlords. I muted her on Facebook because I couldn't deal with the stupid stuff I was reading.

We can't have a national divorce. They would continue to come after us from their new base. They have to be defeated totally. We have to take control of the schools so they can't indoctrinate anyone else. We have to deal with the infestation throughout the rest of our culture. But we have to make it a bad thing to be a Marxist and socialist, just like it used to be a bad thing to be a communist. Let them be the ones to be afraid to speak.

Posted by: notsothoreau at August 28, 2020 03:45 PM (JKNZq)

76 I had an argument with a close family friend. She was raving on about
QAnon and Pizzagate. I said yeah, they are sure stupid. Then she said
the weirdest thing. "You know, it is all about getting Hillary."

***

The funny thing about pizzagate and Epstein, is that we had a full on national discussion about whether there were a group of elites literally getting away with abusing children because they were to well protected by the government.

And the left laughed and laughed about it.

Then we found out Epstein's ring was running at that same time with full knowledge of the government, and it involved any number of members of the elites...all too well protected by the government to touch.

Interesting isn't it?

And of course Epstein has disappeared from the FNM even though not one Epstein client has been arrested.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 28, 2020 03:45 PM (qlFIA)

77
An NFL team is no intellectual murderer's row whose opinions I feel compelled to hear.

I was only a tenuous and marginal fan. I have no use for whatever they purport to offer as entertainment. Self-introspection, I suspect, is something they'd not ever do as they lack, I believe, the mental carrying capacity to perform it.

Get your applications in at car washes, lawn services, and parking garages in early, fellers - the competition for slots will be fierce.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 28, 2020 03:45 PM (pNxlR)

78 You can't talk or reason with these people...

Posted by: Where are all the sick people at August 28, 2020 03:45 PM (RWPR5)

79 Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 28, 2020 03:44 PM (A5zUN)

Yeah - I get that too. Or that the Soviet Union was somehow "sabotaged" by capitalists.

Posted by: Inspector Kemp at August 28, 2020 03:45 PM (BLOTa)

80 33 That the parties switched names
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It is fascinating that you can show leftists a continuing line from Wilson, to FDR, to LBJ, to Byrd, to Clinton and yet, yes, somehow the "parties switched".


Posted by: 18-1 at August 28, 2020 03:40 PM (qlFIA)

=========

"So, you love Coolidge and hate FDR, right?"

"No..."

"Then what the fuck are you talking about?"

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a madhouse! A Madhouse! at August 28, 2020 03:46 PM (LvTSG)

81 I'm having the opposite problem. Mrs. Helmet, who's part of like a thousand WineMom Facebook groups, is this close to voting Biden. She can't ignore the tweeting. Ugh.

Posted by: Dark Helmet at August 28, 2020 03:46 PM (Oka5v)

82 > It is fascinating that you can show leftists a continuing line from Wilson, to FDR, to LBJ, to Byrd, to Clinton and yet, yes, somehow the "parties switched".

These are the same people who argue that "real communism has never been tried".

Left unstated: why none of the dozens of attempts ever resulted in "real communism".

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 28, 2020 03:46 PM (unn44)

83 We can't have a national divorce. They would continue to come after us from their new base. They have to be defeated totally.



Ok. I accept your conditions.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 28, 2020 03:47 PM (4Hf9E)

84 64
>>45 Does everyone now realize how bad public education is?





yup. The communists did it.



In the New America, leftists will not be permitted in any field dealing with children.

Posted by: ace at August 28, 2020 03:44 PM (PbpT7)
At this point, any job beyond a sanitation engineer should be denied them. This must be so solely on the premise that we have dealt with their shit for so long, it is their turn to deal with ours. And I'll be gearing up to wreck my digestive system.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at August 28, 2020 03:47 PM (N39Ws)

85 Football is what the local high schools are playing.
You know, playing for the team, the school, the fun of the game. And support for these kids is great. Unlike the support the NFL has or deserves.
Buy a ticket, support the kids and have fun.

Posted by: Case at August 28, 2020 03:47 PM (26W4a)

86 We can't have a national divorce. They would continue to come after us from their new base.
As a foreign country it would be much easier to deal with them.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 28, 2020 03:47 PM (sWr9d)

87 There's no reasoning with a leftist. There's nothing more offensive to them than someone who disagrees with them.

Posted by: james at August 28, 2020 03:47 PM (LCa13)

88

This is why #walkaway has been successful

Millions like him.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 28, 2020 03:47 PM (rjE57)

89 Yeah, they get jack and shit.

There's too much valuable and/or scenic land in California and the PNW. Too much valuable farmland in Illinois. And so on.

They get squat.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 28, 2020 03:47 PM (unn44)

90 Been saying this for years. Sometimes you don't realize a corpse is a corpse until you smell it. People have begun to smell it.

Posted by: Citizen at August 28, 2020 03:47 PM (0++T1)

91 My BrotherInLaw was continually sending text messages to my wife during the first couple of years of Trump's presidency, always pertaining to OrangeManBad.

I eventually told her that she needs to push back (gently) and tell him that we voted for Trump and we support him. And it would be best for family relations to leave it be. You're not going to change us and we're not going to change you.

Surprisingly, he (perhaps from some help elsewhere in the family) backed off and has remained so, even in this hyped up political season.

Posted by: Curly Shuffle at August 28, 2020 03:48 PM (ch6++)

92 You're now a Moron Lord.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at August 28, 2020 03:40 PM (cfSRQ)

You say the nicest things. Personally, I think the guys bringing extra guns to the meetups are Moron Kings. Ace is the Electronic Emperor Ewok, of course.

Posted by: trev006 at August 28, 2020 03:48 PM (A0aOP)

93 NavyDad was a huge sports fan. Didn't matter what - except NASCAR, somehow he never got into that. Our first date he took me to a minor league hockey game. He loved college basketball. He once spent an entire weekend watching junior olympic boxing. When our son was younger, he bought season tickets to our city's pro football team and kept the seats for 10 years. They stood in line for hours to get autographs. He and our son both count those as some of their happiest memories.

He quit watching football when the kneeling started. And now he's done with all sports. So congratulations, players! Really well done! You drove away one of your biggest fans who invested hours and thousands of dollars on your silly kids games.

Posted by: NavyMom at August 28, 2020 03:48 PM (EYMQq)

94 Ryan Tannehole is a paid clown.

Shut your pie hole clown and entertain like the clown you are and leave the rest to us adults.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 28, 2020 03:48 PM (Z+IKu)

95 Been thinking on this whole mindset thing a bit.

Communists believed that they would be able to 'reprogram' Man, into Soviet Man, who would be able to live in a perfect Communist paradise.

Think on the assumptions that implies.

1. That Human Nature can be formed.

2. That Human Nature HAD to be reformed.

That is todays left. Sadly, they have been successful in reprograming certain segments of our population. We don't even speak the same language anymore.

The Left believes in reprograming us into an image they like, through the Power of the State.

The Right mostly believes that Human Nature, is just that, human. Thus the government should reflect that already pre-existing Nature.

From non existing Global Warming, to non existing systemic racism, somehow the MEDIA and most Politicians, have been reprogrammed.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 28, 2020 03:48 PM (NgKpN)

96 Trump: Abraham Lincoln.
Fox: News.

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Boy, these SAT questions are getting harder and harder! Either that or we don't even speak the same language.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at August 28, 2020 03:42 PM (+y/Ru)

--Yo Bernie, the colons are supposed to be doubled in an analogy, you overundereducated dipshit.

Posted by: logprof, happily unembarreled at August 28, 2020 03:48 PM (oZuI0)

97 Ain't gonna be no "national divorce." Secession went tits up in 1865.

Posted by: mnw at August 28, 2020 03:48 PM (Cssks)

98 Back when the debate over Obamacare started, I repeatedly pointed out there was nothing stopping people that believed "healthcare was a right" from banding together in a health collective and agreeing to pay their bills collectively.

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I know it was about control and jealousy and "equality", but that always puzzled the hell out of me, same as the folks who pretend global warming is a problem but still have all their sh*t and heat/AC and three cars.

If everyone who thought we needed national healthcare would pay $50 into a voluntary fund to pay the medical bills for the 107,000 people nationwide that didn't have insurance because of pre-existing conditions (that 107K was literally the number), the problem would be solved.

Posted by: Charles Darwin - The median COVID-19 age of death is older than the current male lifespan at August 28, 2020 03:49 PM (C1ewN)

99 Oh, and if we're going to talk about European attitudes towards the U.S., I've met quite a few Europeans - from England to Russia - who are amazed at the relative level of freedom we have here (this was before 2015; I haven't traveled abroad since). They visit or work here and are amazed at the variety of people they see that they never see back home. To quote Blue Oyster Cult's worst lyric, here "you can be whatever you wanna be". They see that.

Posted by: SFGoth at August 28, 2020 03:49 PM (KAi1n)

100 What does this have to do with AOC's tits?

Posted by: wth at August 28, 2020 03:39 PM (v0R5T)

Precise and to the point.

Posted by: Count de Monet at August 28, 2020 03:49 PM (DLzZd)

101 I now understand that libertarians are quite comfortable with communism.


That is stupid. They are antipathic. They are polar opposites.

The spectrum isn't left-right it's individualism-collectivism.

Quit raping that word.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 28, 2020 03:49 PM (q2K0j)

102 Said this before and I'll say it again. We need a proving ground for all the political positions of the left. A place where they can go and put their perfect ideas into practice. I suggest western Oregon and Washington. Let them join and form the Peoples Republic of Rainland where they can institute full blown communism and all the 'isms they believe in. Where they can own the means of production and confiscate everyone's wealth.
Should work out just fine. They'll get communism/socialism and get it good and hard. I don't mind ceding that land to their utopian vision. Just build a wall separating them, please.

Posted by: Sphynx at August 28, 2020 03:49 PM (rXie1)

103 Kamalamadingbat thre months ago:

Burn baby burn!!!!

KH now:

Stop it, dammit, you're giving away the game!!!

Posted by: logprof, happily unembarreled at August 28, 2020 03:49 PM (oZuI0)

104 I'm just gonna wait and see what's in store.

Posted by: Max Power at August 28, 2020 03:49 PM (q177U)

105 As you know there's a huge problem for us with the Left's speech/behavior controls: We can't speak, we can't argue with nonsense, we have to mouth lies just to live and breathe.

But... the Left ends up with an equally king sized problem:

They don't know how many of us there are.

Posted by: ... at August 28, 2020 03:49 PM (FLkk2)

106 One of the things Trump has done is demonstrate that you don't HAVE to let the other side always set the terms of debate. You don't HAVE to accept that they're the arbiter of morality, decency, and ethics.

Mike
Posted by: MBunge at August 28, 2020 03:43 PM (ZFuAf)


Funny how we always had to be the ones to "reach across the isle" and be willing to compromise. I've never once seen the left do that. And compromise? Puhleeze.

But the GOPe seems to be hardwired for exactly that. Or probably more likely, they have no desire to further a conservative agenda. But in pro wrestling, somebody has to play heel.

I really had hoped back in 2016 that out of that huge field of republicans, some would look at Trump saying things that needed to be said, and pick up the torch. Not a one did. That really was my wake up call.

Posted by: clutch cargo at August 28, 2020 03:49 PM (8B6Ng)

107 And, since Ace linked to another NFL political PSA...

Eff off, NFL. You cannot go bankrupt fast enough.

Posted by: Curly Shuffle at August 28, 2020 03:49 PM (ch6++)

108 66 LW = leftwing

Of course, thank you, mnw.

Posted by: Pete in Texas at August 28, 2020 03:50 PM (2RBkF)

109 Also known as, "they don't want to hear your opinion. They want to hear their opinion coming out of your mouth".

Fuck them.
---------------------------------------------------------
Brilliant analysis, stellar conclusion.

Well played.

Posted by: Boxx Culvert - no, I am NOT entertained. at August 28, 2020 03:50 PM (wmfhQ)

110 My friend actually called it an epiphany. I asked what caused it. He said "The media". Recalled to me the day it came to him. He was doing meaningless tasks around the house and heard something in passing on the news. He said it didn't sound right so he started doing some research. The more he looked at this particular story, the more he starting doubting other stories. So he did even more research. His words to me.."I can't believe I have been lied to all this time." He was a Clinton voter in 2016 and will never go back to the Democrat party.

Posted by: Pebbles at August 28, 2020 03:50 PM (GMzQU)

111 I thank my lucky stars that I do not have any raving lunatic lefties in my life. I really don't know how I could manage or cope, or even be civil in such a situation.

Posted by: washrivergal at August 28, 2020 03:50 PM (T2NR8)

112 >>>81 I'm having the opposite problem. Mrs. Helmet, who's part of like a thousand WineMom Facebook groups, is this close to voting Biden. She can't ignore the tweeting. Ugh.

I find that people who spend all day on social media tend to think Life Is Social Media and that all social media controversies are Super Important.

If you notice, all of the NeverTrumpers are social media addicts. So they endlessly scream about Trump's desecration of the digital space that is more "real" to them than realspace.

Posted by: ace at August 28, 2020 03:50 PM (PbpT7)

113 My mom was telling me yesterday how when she was in an Ivt League school in the 70s,the thing to do was to hate Nixon and think he was evil. She remarked how they all just sheepishly followed this, despite having no real reason to. These were people in doctoral and Masters programs.

Her sister used to argue against it that they should respect the president and that they were going overboard. (Interesting since this sister was a doctor who married a white man whose family cut him off for a long time because he married a black woman.)

This was during a conversation about how TDS sufferers /leftists are so irrational and believe so many crazy things that you can't have a political conversation with them, even those who are otherwise reasonable and intelligent people.

Posted by: chique l'African Viking Queen of Greenland (don't forget that Epstein didn't off hisself) at August 28, 2020 03:51 PM (OvqYk)

114 This is pre Dem convention observation from a British Lady. She's very good and so is her humorous presentation.

https://video.parler.com/I6/Gp/I6GpphE6K4ZR.mp4

Posted by: Braenyard at August 28, 2020 03:51 PM (LwkUs)

115 And the left laughed and laughed about it.

Then we found out Epstein's ring was running at that same time with full knowledge of the government, and it involved any number of members of the elites...all too well protected by the government to touch.

And of course Epstein has disappeared from the FNM even though not one Epstein client has been arrested.
Posted by: 18-1 at August 28, 2020 03:45 PM (qlFIA)

Only three possibilities:

1) The greatest fucking coincidence of all time.
2) The pizzagate people picked up on...something. They just misinterpreted the data.
3) Some sort of weird false flag thing - disinformation fouled it up.

I readily admit I have no idea which is true. I'm leaning toward a combination of all three - serendipity, misinterpretation, and disinformation/cover-up.

Posted by: Inspector Kemp at August 28, 2020 03:51 PM (BLOTa)

116 This was willowed last thread, but it's relevant since its about the power of personal contact.
As anyone in sales can tell you,
person-to-person contact is what holds humans together. It's
indefinable, but its why there's a jury system, and meet-up groups, and
support groups. Strength feeds on strength, faith feeds on faith. We're all the better for these contacts, and that's exactly why
the left wants us isolated, muzzled and six feet apart.

Posted by: artemis at August 28, 2020 03:51 PM (AwPyG)

117 How can one live in reasonable harmony, united we stand in any fashion, when they are under the assumption that Donald Trump is the worst man ever to live? You can't reason with that. It's insane. It's so insane, so off the charts, so indefensible as a position (Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini anyone?) that you can't wrap your mind around it. That supposed-learned people believe this...I just can't grasp it. I have no respect for those who have such irrationality, such abject stupidity. We are far past any point of healing. I don't think it can happen.

Posted by: Lady in Black at August 28, 2020 03:51 PM (O+I8R)

118
And rather than excerpt his comments, presumably meant to be private, let's just say what I hoped was not the case, is the case:








Fuck private. If Coleman's "friend" thought he could burn Coleman with his employers, friends and family by revealing the contents of private conversations, Coleman would have to start wearing asbestos underwear, because his friend would do it in a heartbeat.

Actually, I'm fairly certain that Coleman's friend has already started talking smack about the horrible racist conservative lawyer behind his back, because that's the kind of sneaky little shits who become commies.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 28, 2020 03:51 PM (EGyGV)

119 108 No problem!

Posted by: mnw at August 28, 2020 03:51 PM (Cssks)

120 I still think the GOPe needs to be held to account for not doing shit to interrupt this. It was pretty obvious this split was happening for 20 years if not 30.

Everyone in politics knew about the PC movement in the 90's on the campuses. It was a pretty big topic on the Right for awhile. I'm sure NatReview had more than a few articles on it.

But what was actually done about it besides nothing?

If we're not going to come to a complete understanding of the origins of this mess, we're not going to get out of it.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 28, 2020 03:51 PM (S+F2a)

121
LW : left wing

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 28, 2020 03:51 PM (pNxlR)

122 No. They can't have my country. They are a minority.

Posted by: steevy at August 28, 2020 03:51 PM (HwiWi)

123
My life course has only deepened what was going on before. No movies. No television. No news, except for select local stuff. No going to concerts or the opera. Not even reading about classical musicians.

Cultivating a life in my church. Keeping busy around the house. Reading good books. Trying to be less irritating to Her Majesty. Enjoying hobbies that elevate the mind. A very tiny circle of friends.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 28, 2020 03:51 PM (mht8P)

124 We can't have a national divorce. They would continue to come after us from their new base. They have to be defeated totally.

Challenge Accepted...

Posted by: Rando Skank at August 28, 2020 03:51 PM (d6DSt)

125 I imagine a National Divorce would mean where we round up the left by force in 49 states and deport them to California, then wall it off.

Then when they beg us for energy we say sorry we cant give you our energy since it is dirty and would hurt the environment. Enjoy your utopia.

Posted by: Two Weeks From Being The Flags Behind Ivanka at August 28, 2020 03:52 PM (+dsLj)

126 Do you know anyone who's had an epiphany? Have you yourself Leveled Up?

In 2009, I vowed to never vote for a Dem again. If they have a (D) after their name, my vote goes elsewhere, or maybe nowhere , but not THERE.

I always thought it was silly to vote a straight party ticket. Iianm, you used to be able to do just that with one mark on the ballot. *checking DDG*

Yup. You can in 6 states still :

The states with STV are: Alabama, Indiana*, Michigan, Kentucky, Oklahoma, and South Carolina.

Posted by: GnuBreed at August 28, 2020 03:52 PM (Z4rgH)

127 101 I now understand that libertarians are quite comfortable with communism.


That is stupid. They are antipathic. They are polar opposites.

The spectrum isn't left-right it's individualism-collectivism.

Quit raping that word.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 28, 2020 03:49 PM (q2K0j)

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It really depends on how extreme you go in each direction.

Anarcho-capitalism and communism are both aiming for stateless societies. There are differences for sure, but it's pretty easy to fall from one to the other.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a madhouse! A Madhouse! at August 28, 2020 03:52 PM (LvTSG)

128 We can't have a national divorce.

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They'd demand too much alimony and want custody of our kids..

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at August 28, 2020 03:52 PM (+y/Ru)

129 We don't need a national divorce because the split isn't anywhere close to 50-50 between normal people and insane radicals.

That being said, what I'd LOVE to see happen is for the normal counties of Virginia (the non-DC spillage) to leave the state and merge with West Virginia, which is entirely allowed under the Virginia constitution and can not be stopped by Federal authority.

All that has to happen is for a county to vote to leave and for WVA to vote to welcome them. Imagine if Virginia goes from 13 EVs to 3 (dem votes) and WVA goes from 5 to 10 (GOP votes).

Posted by: Matthew Martin at August 28, 2020 03:52 PM (ZR7kf)

130 No shit Dick Tracy, it's coming to a national divorce or American Civil War II, and after reading Lloyd's Long Live Death afraid it will be ACWII.

Posted by: Skip at August 28, 2020 03:52 PM (OjZpE)

131
"Hillary?"

"yeah, they are still trying to get her."

"Um, I don't think anyone is still trying to get her. Not one cares at all about her. She didn't even speak at the DNC."

She disagreed. I added "I think Jeffery Epstein is the reason a lot of people believe that stuff."

She stared at me "That is all about getting Hillary."

Things went downhill from their.

It is the weirdest thing - they BELIEVE all sorts of crazy conspiracy junk, and at the same time, spend huge amounts of time decrying conspiracy junk.
Posted by: Inspector Kemp at August 28, 2020 03:41 PM (BLOTa)
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4 years and counting, in the Progda Leftist bubble.

Understandable why once-seemingly normal people are cracking.

I'd be screaming "YES THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!!!' by now, if I believed even half the crap they say.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at August 28, 2020 03:53 PM (sy5kK)

132 I def leveled up.

And def know what time it is.

Thanks, ace.

Posted by: MJ at August 28, 2020 03:53 PM (gAMkn)

133 Uh, I've been leveled all the way up since HS... these people are Marxists. Sat Cong. Don't worry about talking, just hand them a shovel and put them on the Canal.

The only big change in outlook since then is that I realized there is more than enough Canal to accommodate the Republicans too. But that was still before Trump came along.

There can be no reconciliation between the American people and their ruling class, only domination by one of the other.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 28, 2020 03:53 PM (lJuMe)

134 This hits home for me. I've lost some old and valued relationships. I'm sure most of us have.

Posted by: Ordinary American at August 28, 2020 03:53 PM (H8QX8)

135 and heard something in passing on the news. He said it didn't sound right so he started doing some research. The more he looked at this particular story, the more he starting doubting other stories. So he did even more research. His words to me.."I can't believe I have been lied to all this time." He was a Clinton voter in 2016 and will never go back to the Democrat party.

Posted by: Pebbles at August 28, 2020 03:50 PM (GMzQU)

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There's a name for that phenomenon but I don't remember it.

When you hear the news reporting on something you're an expert in and they get it COMPLETELY wrong, and it occurs to you that they report on everything else with the same ability.

Posted by: Charles Darwin - The median COVID-19 age of death is older than the current male lifespan at August 28, 2020 03:53 PM (C1ewN)

136 @115
You may have missed it, but in the last week alone, two women selling children were arrested in Broward County, and 39 missing children were found in GA.
A lot happening, under the radar.

Posted by: artemis at August 28, 2020 03:53 PM (AwPyG)

137 America as we know it is not dead.
It will not be dead until we don't know it anymore.

Educators, scribes, and paid politicians are desperately trying to kill it but it ain't dead yet.


Posted by: Braenyard at August 28, 2020 03:53 PM (LwkUs)

138 Is this Ron Coleman lawyer the same Ron Coleman who was a massive roided-up professional body builder, or the short black comedian?

Posted by: Northernlurker, don't pay me no mind at August 28, 2020 03:54 PM (lgiXo)

139 128
We can't have a national divorce.



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They'd demand too much alimony and want custody of our kids..

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at August 28, 2020 03:52 PM (+y/Ru)
But we have the hot new spouse, sports car and money.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at August 28, 2020 03:54 PM (N39Ws)

140 Getting a T-Storm

Posted by: Skip at August 28, 2020 03:54 PM (OjZpE)

141 I am almost there, done with all liberals. The only person I am hanging onto is my daughter, who is currently going to college, working and living with us. She is liberal, but so far not a flamer at all. My husband once stated "When you are young you are a liberal, then you get older, have a job and become a conservative". IE - the real world interjects itself. She hates Joe Biden, and thinks both parties are full of people out to enrich themselves - well I can't argue with that.

But she still loves to shoot, understands that money has to be earned, and we all have to take responsiblility for ourselves. No drugs, minimal alcohol (hey she's 22 - a wine cooler now and then doesn't worry me) and has made Dean's list last two semesters. I pray for her daily, and hope that she will grow out of this as she gets away from the university setting.

We agree to disagree. I point out how stupid the democrats are strategically (hey, Tulsi Gabbard would have been better than Grandpa Joe) and she points out how obnoxious Trump is. (Well, yes, but look at what he gets done) I look for things we agree on, and hug her when I can, to treasure her in case she goes over to the dark side.

What has really hurt me was losing the church I went to, but that was four years ago. I woke up post election and had to listen to the vitriol of TDS from fellow choir members, the choir director, the priest - it was just horrible. So I left. But God is faithful, because now my husband is attending church with me for the first time in 26 years of marriage! Now we are searching for a new church, since COVID has basically shut down the one we were attending.

After the last election, I lost several friends to TDS. Now I dont try to reach out. I have acquaintances, but true friends? Not much. So sad.

Posted by: satrose at August 28, 2020 03:54 PM (nycWw)

142 The only thing as yet uncertain is exactly what form the conflict will ultimately require.

The usual timeless techniques proven to work:

Bankrupt and disappear the worst ones. The others will catch a clue and behave for a while.

Jefferson spoke of watering the Tree of Liberty from time to time because he was not for total war, but the classic Roman decimation.

Other regimes not only killed the trouble maker, but his offspring so that they would not avenge; then the hardcore would wipe out the entire family, the neighbors, the guy who made his sandwich, the other who mended his shirt - to send a message.

That level of death would signal others that even associating with a trouble-maker would result in their own death.

We sure as heck don't need to go there, and I pray that very few even have the stomach for that level of play.

I would settle for a few high profile trials, and disappear some of the lieutenants.

Posted by: 🐧 at August 28, 2020 03:55 PM (C+evo)

143 134 This hits home for me. I've lost some old and valued relationships. I'm sure most of us have.
Posted by: Ordinary American at August 28, 2020 03:53 PM (H8QX


All of them, and I do mean all.

Posted by: moon_over_vermont at August 28, 2020 03:55 PM (00CEy)

144 I had an an epiphany once, as a result of an affirmative action atrocity.

No more "chicken voting for Col Sanders" after THAT.

Posted by: mnw at August 28, 2020 03:55 PM (Cssks)

145 Notice the idiot in the video says "systematic" racism.

Hey, dumbass, I know you're a football player, and hence not too bright, but the term is "SYSTEMIC," not "systematic."

"Systemic" refers to a quality that characterizes a whole system.

"Systematic" means performing a task in controlled, conscientious manner so as not to overlook anything.

Stick to "hut one, hut two," OK?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 28, 2020 03:55 PM (d0FS5)

146 94 Ryan Tannehole is a paid clown.

Shut your pie hole clown and entertain like the clown you are and leave the rest to us adults.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 28, 2020 03:48 PM (Z+IKu)

--All I can think of now is that sell-out swiping his Microsoft Surface with his nose because his hands were too cold.

Posted by: logprof, happily unembarreled at August 28, 2020 03:55 PM (oZuI0)

147 No leftists in my world. Life is too short to have to put up with assholes that would judge and scold everything I like in life. As my brother likes to say, they can suck the fart outta my ass.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at August 28, 2020 03:56 PM (ZuLBa)

148 130 No shit Dick Tracy, it's coming to a national divorce or American Civil War II, and after reading Lloyd's Long Live Death afraid it will be ACWII.
Posted by: Skip at August 28, 2020 03:52 PM (OjZpE)


nurse, myself, and a number of unidentified Morons are behind enemy lines here in the greater Seattle area, but we know the terrain and have multiple back up plans.

Seattle will not fall, but there will be casualties.

You will know we are still here, by the bad news Progda reports from Seattle.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at August 28, 2020 03:56 PM (sy5kK)

149 Pizzagate - Elite pedophile ring under a pizza parlor? That's crazy talk.

Reality - Elite pedophile ring on a private island, totally true.

Every dem I talk to clams up whenever Jefferey Epstein is mentioned. It's weird. These are people who wouldn't stop yammering about "grab them by the pussy." It's like they can't process the information. A little light on the side of their temples starts flashing. I can hear the hard drive spinning. But...nothing.

Posted by: Inspector Kemp at August 28, 2020 03:56 PM (BLOTa)

150 134
This hits home for me. I've lost some old and valued relationships. I'm sure most of us have.

Posted by: Ordinary American at August 28, 2020 03:53 PM (H8QX
I have as well. I long for the old days with those friends. I hung on as long as I could -probably longer than I should have. I just don't need to be called every vile name in the book over one facet of who I am (my political beliefs).

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at August 28, 2020 03:56 PM (N39Ws)

151 I don't have anyone in my closest circle of friends and family who are left wing loonies. I'm very grateful for that.

Now the smartest guy in my church seems to be some kind of disagreeable leftie, not sure, but he might be.

Posted by: Northernlurker, don't pay me no mind at August 28, 2020 03:56 PM (lgiXo)

152 102 Said this before and I'll say it again. We need a proving ground for all the political positions of the left. A place where they can go and put their perfect ideas into practice. I suggest western Oregon and Washington.
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Hi.

Posted by: California, New York City at August 28, 2020 03:56 PM (FLkk2)

153 I'm just gonna wait and see what's in store.

Posted by: Max Power at August 28, 2020 03:49 PM (q177U)

The store be burned out, man.

Posted by: Count de Monet at August 28, 2020 03:56 PM (DLzZd)

154 Don't lose the thread now, Ron. You're so close.

He'll lose it. Bank on it. His essay. Egad. It reads like Rod Dreher, a man who can write 20 paragraphs, correctly identify all the parts, and yet can't calculate the sum of the parts. Coleman's pained, milquetoast expression is the tell.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at August 28, 2020 03:57 PM (H5knJ)

155 "So, you love Coolidge and hate FDR, right?"

"No..."

"Then what the fuck are you talking about?"
---------------------
The divide is between Teddy Roosevelt's 'No One Should Be Too Big to Fail' form of 'Progressiveism' and Wilson's 'Some People Are Too Big To Fail Progressiveism'. I like Teddy but he really fucked up with the popular election of Senators. This brought us to the American Pelopennisian War of City States that we are enjoying today. That and Wilson was a fuck up who couldn't keep his interventionist dick out of Europe.

Posted by: Puddin Head at August 28, 2020 03:57 PM (DQQq8)

156 There was some pretty good reporting done on Pizzagate, and, with everything that has happened, I believe something was going on.

But, somehow, Pizzagate managed to completely drop off the radar after a shot was fired into the ceiling in Comet Pizza.

It always struck me as odd a shot fired into the ceiling of the restaurant was the end of anyone being at all curious about Comet Pizza and Pizzagate.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at August 28, 2020 03:57 PM (WEBkv)

157 What was the turning point? Was it Obama?

I feel like everything changed after that.

Posted by: Blago at August 28, 2020 03:57 PM (gkdnV)

158
From Thomas Wictor / Carlos Oswedo on twitter:

I've said that Trump is a touchstone and diagnostic tool for mental illness.

But he's something else.

Trump is a measuring device.

He measures your individuality.

Your ability to withstand the siren song of groupthink.

Trump-hate is a "spectrum disorder."

If you HATE him, it means you have TONS of OTHER THINGS wrong with you.

In the same way, Trump is a touchstone and a diagnostic tool.

If you HATE him, you're insane.

Posted by: Frankly at August 28, 2020 03:57 PM (cobWg)

159
I think a lot of people are going to be making some major realizations in the coming days.

I realized the Democrats are going to steal the election, no matter what the results. They and their partners in the Fake News have already decided that Trump is out.

If you watched Ted Cruz last night on youtube, you'll understand there's really nothing we can do to stop the Democrats from stealing the Executive Branch of government in broad daylight short of a full-fledged revolution. We will not have any relief from the courts. Not even the Court will fulfill their duty honestly, I suspect.

Unless there is an absolute landslide, we will not know (the Fake News will refuse to acknowledge) the results for several weeks, lending way to more chaos and cheating and then perhaps a concocted "Constitutional crisis" in which the Democrats simply decide who is president. But the way things appear to be forming, votes, or "votes," will continue pouring in for many weeks after election day. Counting will not end until Democrats have "won."

Posted by: Soothsayer at August 28, 2020 03:57 PM (fiJK5)

160 I've got a daughter I'm close to disowning because she's so intellectually dishonest about Hillary, Obama and Biden.

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Sorry you're going through this.

I can more than relate.

My youngest daughter, who turned 28 today, has more or less disowned me and her dad over politics.

Posted by: SMFH at August 28, 2020 03:57 PM (RU4sa)

161 Do you know anyone who's had an epiphany? Have you yourself Leveled Up?

In 2009, I vowed to never vote for a Dem again. If they have a (D) after their name, my vote goes elsewhere, or maybe nowhere , but not THERE.


-

I used to choose between the best candidate locally, but no more. Anyone with a (D) is not an option. They might hide it well, but they support the acid test of pro-abortion, pro-crime, pro-illegals, anti-flag, pro-control at the national level. There are zero "moderate" (D)s nationally anymore, are there? If you don't support killing black babies you're not going to be a (D) politician at the national level.

Every (D) under them just hide it as needed.

Posted by: Charles Darwin - The median COVID-19 age of death is older than the current male lifespan at August 28, 2020 03:57 PM (C1ewN)

162 There's a name for that phenomenon but I don't remember it.

Gell-Mann Amnesia.

Posted by: 🐧 at August 28, 2020 03:57 PM (C+evo)

163

I'm really really hoping that even the biggest NFL fan boys are sick of this shit and give up on the National Felons League. Some never will no matter how bad it gets but I hope enough do to really cut deeply into their revenues.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 28, 2020 03:57 PM (t+tI7)

164 Not quite the same type of epiphany, but my grandfather (late 90's, stormed Normandy) honestly believes the nation will cease to exist soon. Always tells me, with sadness in his voice, that he got the best of America and that he is sad that it did not last.

He is a solid conservative, but simply does not see a way out of it with the country being (at least) two separate tribes of people.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at August 28, 2020 03:57 PM (JRaU+)

165 I restate what I wrote this morning:

I'm reading through "The Archetypes and the Collective Unconscious" by Carl Jung, and came across two quotes that seem strikingly appropriate to this day in age.

"Myths, on the contrary, have a vital meaning. Not merely do they represent, they are the psychic life of the primitive tribe, which immediately falls to pieces and decays when it loses its mythological heritage, like a man who has lost his soul. A tribe's mythology is its living religion, whose loss is always and everywhere, even among the civilized, a moral catastrophe."

"Our progressiveness, though it may result in a great many delightful wish-fulfilments, piles up an equally gigantic Promethean debt which has to be paid off from time to time in the form of hideous catastrophes. For ages man has dreamed of flying, and all we have got for it is saturation bombing! We smile today at the Christian hope of a life beyond the grave, and yet we often fall into chiliasms a hundred times more ridiculous than the notion of a happy Hereafter."

The culture war is as much a war of myths, and their associated symbols. The left wants to tear down the myths associated with the "American" tribe so as to replace them with its own myths. But the technocrats, globalists, and bureaucrats who make up neoliberalism are so psychologically off-balance, so out of touch with some of the more primitive parts of their psyches, that those parts come crashing back in ugly new forms. Hence, the BLM riots we see today, which operate more like religious rituals. Or, the obsession with somehow transforming one's identity from man to woman or to something altogether different. Or, the bizarre views towards sex which turn it into some sort of strange ritual.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at August 28, 2020 03:57 PM (SgjGX)

166 He said "The media". Recalled to me the day it came to him. He was doing meaningless tasks around the house and heard something in passing on the news.

********

There was a gay guy on Tim Pools cast who got based the same way. Thought Trump made fun of a disabled reporter with his flailing until a conservative friend sent him a clip showing Trump making the same flailing gesture for tons of different people over the years.

He expressed the rage he felt at the media lying to him. Its like a betrayal.

Posted by: Two Weeks From Being The Flags Behind Ivanka at August 28, 2020 03:58 PM (+dsLj)

167 149
Pizzagate - Elite pedophile ring under a pizza parlor? That's crazy talk.



Reality - Elite pedophile ring on a private island, totally true.



Every dem I talk to clams up whenever Jefferey Epstein is mentioned.
It's weird. These are people who wouldn't stop yammering about "grab
them by the pussy." It's like they can't process the information. A
little light on the side of their temples starts flashing. I can hear
the hard drive spinning. But...nothing.

Posted by: Inspector Kemp at August 28, 2020 03:56 PM (BLOTa)

That whole #metoo movement turned around and bit them in the ass. Truthfully, I don't care who you are, what your politics are or how rich you are. If you are diddling kids there is only one place for you and that is 6ft in the ground.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at August 28, 2020 03:58 PM (N39Ws)

168 Wasn't there supposed to be a shocking and amazing revelation during Trump's speech? I have heard it was a great speech, but had not heard what the earth shattering revelation was.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 28, 2020 03:58 PM (A5zUN)

169 There's a name for that phenomenon but I don't remember it.

When you hear the news reporting on something you're an expert in and they get it COMPLETELY wrong, and it occurs to you that they report on everything else with the same ability.
Posted by: Charles Darwin - The median COVID-19 age of death is older than the current male lifespan at August 28, 2020 03:53 PM (C1ewN)


Gell-Mann amnesia effect.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 28, 2020 03:58 PM (d0FS5)

170 National divorce? How about a family divorce?
My brother and sister are both raving Obama Voters, but my Mom loves Trump and just wrote Melania another nice letter.
Awkward.

Posted by: wth at August 28, 2020 03:58 PM (v0R5T)

171 When you hear the news reporting on something you're an expert in and they get it COMPLETELY wrong, and it occurs to you that they report on everything else with the same ability.
Posted by: Charles Darwin - The median COVID-19 age of death is older than the current male lifespan at August 28, 2020 03:53 PM (C1ewN)

I can't remember the name of the phenomenon, only that Michael Crichton came up with it. I experienced it firsthand at an early age. When you do it changes everything.

Posted by: Ordinary American at August 28, 2020 03:58 PM (H8QX8)

172 155 "So, you love Coolidge and hate FDR, right?"

"No..."

"Then what the fuck are you talking about?"
---------------------
The divide is between Teddy Roosevelt's 'No One Should Be Too Big to Fail' form of 'Progressiveism' and Wilson's 'Some People Are Too Big To Fail Progressiveism'. I like Teddy but he really fucked up with the popular election of Senators. This brought us to the American Pelopennisian War of City States that we are enjoying today. That and Wilson was a fuck up who couldn't keep his interventionist dick out of Europe.
Posted by: Puddin Head at August 28, 2020 03:57 PM (DQQq

==========

The "party split" nonsense only ever really goes back to the 60s and the Civil Rights Act.

Recalling the most famous presidents from the 30s is usually enough to get them to shut up.

I have heard the variation on the argument that the party switch happened in the 1880s or so, though.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a madhouse! A Madhouse! at August 28, 2020 03:58 PM (LvTSG)

173 I can't tolerate my in-laws anymore. Life is too short. I've always known they're moon bats but politics was never discussed until Trump showed up. Now they can't not politicize everything. I've stopped being the bigger person. They don't exist in my life anymore.

Posted by: NCKate at August 28, 2020 03:59 PM (cVg82)

174 WTF CLEANUP AISLE 172

Posted by: BlackOrchid_j9HX3 at August 28, 2020 03:59 PM (j9HX3)

175 It's a religion for these people. Like Protestants getting ostracized for befriending a Catholic (or vise versa) 300 years ago, or either befriending a Jew.
All British officers had to denounce "Popish superstition," in Catholic countries they had to prove their alegiance to the Church.

The "Progressives" are just proving once again that they're really regressive. Trying to regress America to a very dark and violent past.

Posted by: 29Victor at August 28, 2020 03:59 PM (BJKQV)

176 https://bit.ly/3gD6Ir7
*******
Trump pardons Alice Johnson, convicted drug dealer who became criminal justice reform advocate | Just The News

Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at August 28, 2020 03:59 PM (Er9d2)

177 I've cut ties quietly with a lot of old friends. Some of whom I have trusted at my lowest, and had that trust well justified. People who can be calm and rational about anything else.

But...they support the whole Left axis. That places them in a, as it was put "moral universe" I cannot truck with. One wholly incompatible with the one I believe in whole-heartedly (even if I fail to meet up with those standards myself, on a depressingly regular basis).

I don't do it with rancor. It's quiet. I doubt they even know or think about it.

I would have said once these are good people but...

I don't know anymore.

Posted by: Brother Tim sez: There is always More Stupid at August 28, 2020 03:59 PM (OUMaO)

178 164
Not quite the same type of epiphany, but my grandfather (late 90's,
stormed Normandy) honestly believes the nation will cease to exist soon.
Always tells me, with sadness in his voice, that he got the best of
America and that he is sad that it did not last.



He is a solid conservative, but simply does not see a way out of it
with the country being (at least) two separate tribes of people.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at August 28, 2020 03:57 PM (JRaU+)
I'll dare to speak for the Horde. On behalf of all of us here - shake his hand for us. And thank him. We owe him that.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at August 28, 2020 03:59 PM (N39Ws)

179 I'm a retired LEO and have a MA from a Christian seminary. With my free time and education I have filled in for my Pastor when he went on vacation, etc... We've been very close.

Some time ago, I preached for him, and mentioned, for about 15 seconds, the strange times we are in, with the rioting, looting and the CHAZ/CHOP thing. He called me in to lecture me on my lack of sensitivity, how as a retired LEO I should have had more to speak into the George Floyd situation and so on.

At one point he explained that MLK noted that "you are either part of the problem or part of the solution." He then decided to counsel me on things I could do to become more sensitive to the Black struggle.

I realized that he and I operate in different universes, and that, apparently he sees me as a racist, or at a minimum, "as part of the problem."

The work I did, was to give him some support, the opportunity to be relieved of some of the burdens of his office. No more.

I refuse to live by lies, or to assent to the lies of others.

If that's what we get despite 10+ years of work and friendship, then I don't think that we can fix this peacefully.

Posted by: Bones at August 28, 2020 03:59 PM (WD9ZA)

180 134 This hits home for me. I've lost some old and valued relationships. I'm sure most of us have.
Posted by: Ordinary American at August 28, 2020 03:53 PM (H8QX

I lost some, but when the lib friends got nasty, I'd like to think I through them out of my life Air Pinochet style.
There is no need to put up with their shit in my home when I'm providing the meal.

My husband lost his best friend since age 12 over his refusal to vote for Obama. It was a shock to his system.

We do know a few libs who can agree to disagree, but they are rare. We'd have been able to do this but being called a racist asshoe in one's own dining room is a definite deal breaker. Find another place to stay.

Posted by: CN at August 28, 2020 04:00 PM (ONvIw)

181 164 Not quite the same type of epiphany, but my grandfather (late 90's, stormed Normandy) honestly believes the nation will cease to exist soon. Always tells me, with sadness in his voice, that he got the best of America and that he is sad that it did not last.

He is a solid conservative, but simply does not see a way out of it with the country being (at least) two separate tribes of people.
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at August 28, 2020 03:57 PM (JRaU+)

========

If solipsism is right, then we're all doomed soon.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a madhouse! A Madhouse! at August 28, 2020 04:00 PM (LvTSG)

182 Had a similar epiphany with a fellow veteran and friend. He's a part-time journalist/writer and moved away but we stayed in touch on FB.
He wrote something after last nights RNC that essentially said anyone who supports PDT has serious moral issues and many things to answer for.

That tears it. I wish him well in his life.

His very words display the mindset. He stands in moral judgement over anyone who does not agree with his politics. And he thinks he is right to do so. He thinks it is his obligation to do so.

Its the same as "hate" crimes. The crime is the crime, but whoever decides on the definition of hate gets to stand in judgement.
So no disagreement, no discussion of fact, no rational analysis. His (leftist) morals trump (no pun intended) everything else.

Fine. But as I totally reject this judgement, I guess I'll see him and his followers in the streets.


Posted by: Diogenes at August 28, 2020 04:00 PM (axyOa)

183 68 2020 was the year I ended all my friendships with lefties and closed all my social media accounts.

Although I use the term friendship loosely, over trumps term things had gotten my tense with them to the point when they went full on Karen due to wuflu I kindly told them to fuck right off to hell. Done.
Posted by: Two Weeks From Being The Flags Behind Ivanka at August 28, 2020 03:44 PM (+dsLj)

Yes, here, too.

Posted by: Flyover at August 28, 2020 04:00 PM (Rbu5d)

184 It is the weirdest thing - they BELIEVE all sorts of crazy conspiracy junk, and at the same time, spend huge amounts of time decrying conspiracy junk.

@@@@@

YES! from Russia gate to stolen mailboxes to white supremists are the reason for violence in the riots (boogaloos). They accuse the right of sounding nuts for things there is real data backing and then spout some crazy thing that has no evidentiary support.

Posted by: Piratepatch at August 28, 2020 04:00 PM (jHjyc)

185 Think about it. We are living in the same society as people who thought that inciting and encouraging riots was a good political strategy for America.

Posted by: chique l'African Viking Queen of Greenland (don't forget that Epstein didn't off hisself) at August 28, 2020 04:00 PM (OvqYk)

186 116
This was willowed last thread, but it's relevant since its about the power of personal contact.
As anyone in sales can tell you,

person-to-person contact is what holds humans together. It's

indefinable, but its why there's a jury system, and meet-up groups, and

support groups. Strength feeds on strength, faith feeds on faith.
We're all the better for these contacts, and that's exactly why

the left wants us isolated, muzzled and six feet apart.


Posted by: artemis at August 28, 2020 03:51 PM (AwPyG)

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Solitary confinement is the ultimate and psychologically brutal punishment used for misbehavior in prison. Also used on POWs.

Posted by: washrivergal at August 28, 2020 04:00 PM (T2NR8)

187 This isn't about how we perceive facts, it's about how we determine 'truth'.

They perceive truth as revelatory, and they search the objective world in order to find justification for their revelation. We perceive the truth as a product of reason, and search the objective world for evidence to support our malleable conclusion.

Our method requires conversation and debate - who among us knows 'the whole truth'? Their method prohibits debate, and views is as heretical and contradictory.

The rest is just motivated reasoning. We both assume the other group is 'thinking' the same way we are, so to us they become 'deranged' and to them, we become 'evil'.

Posted by: Tom at August 28, 2020 04:00 PM (BLqox)

188 174 WTF CLEANUP AISLE 172
Posted by: BlackOrchid_j9HX3 at August 28, 2020 03:59 PM (j9HX3)

Hey! He did not mention Prometheus even once, at least.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 28, 2020 04:00 PM (A5zUN)

189 KILL ALL UTILITARIANS

Posted by: garrett at August 28, 2020 04:00 PM (dVEVU)

190 People are flawed, have differences, we used to learn to deal with theirs and our own. Most people lived and learned, tried to understand what they could have done differently. Those who didn't live miserable lives.

I see a whole generation of broken people who were medicated with ritalin, given "grievance counseling" for something that didn't even happen to them. They were told that everyone is wonderful and entitled. They were told they could have anything they want.

Now they're into physical adulthood yet they can't grasp why their relationships come apart, why that guy/girl doesn't want them anymore, why they didn't get this job or that promotion. They get vicious when their favorite team loses. They were conditioned to react by screaming and anger when they didn't get what they wanted, and never learned to deal with setbacks that are inevitable.

To paraphrase Morgan Freeman in Shawshank Redemption;

"I'd like to tell you that Brenda and Eddie lived happily ever after, but Real Life is no fairy tail world"

Posted by: kbdabear at August 28, 2020 04:01 PM (qAR6u)

191 There's a name for that phenomenon but I don't remember it.

Gell-Mann Amnesia.

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Thanks, and also to DJG

Posted by: Charles Darwin - The median COVID-19 age of death is older than the current male lifespan at August 28, 2020 04:01 PM (C1ewN)

192 It really is a conundrum.

The left believes their violence is free speech, and my free speech is violence.

Despite actual evidence of voter fraud in 2016 in favor of Hillary Clinton, they refuse to accept the results of an election, and try every possible route to derail the legitimate government of the United States, and yet they claim Trump and his supporters are the illegitimate ones.

They send armed thugs to intimidate, burn, loot and murder in cities where their intellectual soul mates in DA and mayoral offices will not prosecute their crimes, and yet they scream on their party networks (ABC, NBC, CBS, et al) that Trump and his supporters are the criminals.

I have come to the conclusion that there is no reasoning with the left. They need to be not only defeated, but shamed into non existence. And that is the best option for their fate, assuming they don't try to go further than they have. Otherwise, all bets are off.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at August 28, 2020 04:01 PM (kA3Cp)

193 128 We can't have a national divorce.
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Hey, we tried that and got slaughtered for four years and enslaved for 13 years. There is no divorce permitted in Fight Club. You are entitled to murder your wife to preserve the union. This has been proved.

Posted by: Puddin Head at August 28, 2020 04:01 PM (DQQq8)

194
I can't remember the name of the phenomenon, only that Michael Crichton came up with it. I experienced it firsthand at an early age. When you do it changes everything.


Dunning-Kruger Effect, I believe.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 28, 2020 04:01 PM (pNxlR)

195 My sister, a therapist, listened to people talking about their inner selves for 40 years. She just retired.


She says they're neurogically "wired" differently. They don't live in this universe with us, but in another completely formed by their othered perceptions.

If that's true, how do they sometimes change? Or do they?

Posted by: dagny, first of her name at August 28, 2020 04:01 PM (ySQBZ)

196 170
National divorce? How about a family divorce?

My brother and sister are both raving Obama Voters, but my Mom loves Trump and just wrote Melania another nice letter.

Awkward.

Posted by: wth at August 28, 2020 03:58 PM (v0R5T)
I am the only conservative in my immediate family. Both parents and my sister with her family are diehard leftists. I often joke that I must be the postman's son (which is the truth, my father worked for the postal service).

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at August 28, 2020 04:01 PM (N39Ws)

197 188 174 WTF CLEANUP AISLE 172
Posted by: BlackOrchid_j9HX3 at August 28, 2020 03:59 PM (j9HX3)

Hey! He did not mention Prometheus even once, at least.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 28, 2020 04:00 PM (A5zUN)

========

And I tried really hard too...

*pouts*

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a madhouse! A Madhouse! at August 28, 2020 04:01 PM (LvTSG)

198
You know what's missing in Facebookland and especially the Twitterverse? The golden rule. Christ's admonition to 'do unto others as you would have them do unto you.'

Twitter is superman opposite world of the the golden rule. And Star Trek opposite universe where Spock has a goatee. Twitter's ethos is 'do the nastiest sh*t you can think of to everyone you encounter here.'

Posted by: Sphynx at August 28, 2020 04:01 PM (rXie1)

199 My youngest daughter, who turned 28 today, has more or less disowned me and her dad over politics.
Posted by: SMFH at August 28, 2020 03:57 PM (RU4sa)
------------

I feel fortunate it's only one of my children.

I have a niece and nephew, all three of their children are raving lefties.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at August 28, 2020 04:01 PM (WEBkv)

200 Hey, dumbass, I know you're a football player, and hence not too bright, but the term is "SYSTEMIC," not "systematic."

The problem here sir, is that you are confusing their use of trigger words with a Normal who uses a structured language with definitions and syntax for communication.

"Systemic" or "Systematic" is a sound they make that when attached to some other trigger word is to convey that there is SCIENCE!! behind it, that lab coated people have endorsed the concept and thus it is indisputable and is like the Law of Gravity.

Posted by: 🐧 at August 28, 2020 04:02 PM (C+evo)

201 Bush the younger could have sought to guard our borders and crushed Castro and put a plug in Venezuela and Iran...but no.

Posted by: torabora at August 28, 2020 04:02 PM (Y274z)

202 Dunning-Kruger Effect, I believe.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 28, 2020 04:01 PM (pNxlR)

Gell-Manning amnesia.

Dunning-Kruger is the observation that stupid people don't know that they are stupid, and smart people underestimate how smart they are.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at August 28, 2020 04:02 PM (SgjGX)

203 Check the vids on this page. Several more instances of people being harassed, intimidated, shouted at:

https://tinyurl.com/y4n9rdx4

Attendees to Trump's speech have many stories to tell.

Posted by: FloridaMan at August 28, 2020 04:03 PM (HCeRP)

204 >. Luckily, all my relationships with old friends and family remain intact, despite most of them being liberals or leftists.
Posted by: chique l'African Viking Queen of Greenland (don't forget that Epstein didn't off hisself) at August 28, 2020 03:45 PM (OvqYk)


I am similarly fortunate, so far. However, several familial relationships are under tremendous stress. Like Coleman, I am close to being done with being the one who does all the work and compromising.

Posted by: Muad'dib at August 28, 2020 04:03 PM (sjdRT)

205 can't remember the name of the phenomenon, only that Michael Crichton came up with it. I experienced it firsthand at an early age. When you do it changes everything.


Me too and I remember everything about that moment. I know what I was reading, where I was, how old I was and everything else.

Posted by: dagny, first of her name at August 28, 2020 04:03 PM (ySQBZ)

206 FREEDOM 2020

Posted by: Charles Darwin - The median COVID-19 age of death is older than the current male lifespan at August 28, 2020 04:03 PM (C1ewN)

207 The way I look at it is, I am getting older and every day my time on earth is getting shorter. Why do I want to waste it on people who don't share my morals and what I believe in and worst, think I am a racist, etc etc? I'd rather be with like minded folks.

Posted by: IC at August 28, 2020 04:03 PM (a0IVu)

208 You know what's missing in Facebookland and especially the Twitterverse? The golden rule. Christ's admonition to 'do unto others as you would have them do unto you.'

I would settle for the Silver Rule: Don't do unto others as you don't want them to do unto you.

Posted by: 🐧 at August 28, 2020 04:03 PM (C+evo)

209
There's a name for that phenomenon but I don't remember it.



When you hear the news reporting on something you're an expert in
and they get it COMPLETELY wrong, and it occurs to you that they report
on everything else with the same ability.

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When I realized that the news media was lying about Bill Clinton (in his favor), I started to look closer into what they were saying and realized that they basically lie about everything. They lost me in 2000. I had been a conservative my entire life; I just didn't realize it until then. I then went back and looked at all of the hit jobs against Reagan and I got angry because I believed them at the time.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at August 28, 2020 04:04 PM (h1jJh)

210 I just had an image of someone coated in a lab. How would you liquefy a lab in order to apply it in a thin layer to the person?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 28, 2020 04:04 PM (A5zUN)

211 He is a solid conservative, but simply does not see a way out of it with the country being (at least) two separate tribes of people.
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at August 28, 2020 03:57 PM (JRaU+)
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Umm, Diversity is Strength. Everyone knows that.

Posted by: Puddin Head at August 28, 2020 04:04 PM (DQQq8)

212 People know my politics and know I am not ashamed of them - they don't care for that, fuck them. I have a sister I haven't spoken to in 16 years. Tragic? Maybe. Life Ending? Uh, no.

Posted by: Heart of Darkness at August 28, 2020 04:04 PM (nFRLh)

213 My youngest daughter, who turned 28 today, has more or less disowned me and her dad over politics.
Posted by: SMFH

How lucky I am! My daughter is apolitical but at least she's apolitical. (The other day she asked me who the candidates were. We agreed that Kanye, however crazy, is the least crazy of the Kardashian Klan.) We talk about our dogs a lot.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at August 28, 2020 04:04 PM (+y/Ru)

214 I wish the solution for leftists who hate the country was to leave the country.

Instead of destroying the country.

It will always be easier to destroy than create.

Posted by: Retard Strength Trumps Smart Power at August 28, 2020 04:04 PM (n4scg)

215 199 My youngest daughter, who turned 28 today, has more or less disowned me and her dad over politics.
Posted by: SMFH at August 28, 2020 03:57 PM (RU4sa)
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I feel fortunate it's only one of my children.

I have a niece and nephew, all three of their children are raving lefties.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at August 28, 2020 04:01 PM (WEBkv)

My 29 year old Son in Denver is no longer speaking to me.

He's at least peripherally involved with AntiFa, and he knows how I feel about it.

Hopefully, he will someday come back to sanity.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 28, 2020 04:04 PM (NgKpN)

216 Three-quarters of Democratic voters still believe Trump campaign colluded with Russia

Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at August 28, 2020 04:04 PM (Er9d2)

217 My real epiphany was during the obama years. People i knew and loved were swept off their feet. They couldn't or wouldn't see the truth. I have dropped some friends. The crazy is going to split our nation. These were people i liked and respected.


Every so often i get pleasantly supprised. Like the speech at the convention by the badass army nun but not often.

Posted by: USNtakim at August 28, 2020 04:05 PM (0OmEj)

218 Over the past fifteen years my two hobbies that I've really loved have been historical swordplay and social dancing, especially argentine tango, but also swing and contra dance. Both circles are heavily left-wing. It saddens me, because it's becoming increasingly difficult to move in those groups without finding myself biting my tongue all the time.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at August 28, 2020 04:05 PM (SgjGX)

219 You got nothing to lose
You don't lose when you lose fake friends

Posted by: JackStraw at August 28, 2020 04:05 PM (ZLI7S)

220 157 What was the turning point? Was it Obama?

I feel like everything changed after that.
Posted by: Blago at August 28, 2020 03:57 PM (gkdnV

Turning point was the night McCain won the nomination. I knew it was over then because right then, it was McCain, Hillary or Obama. Three slightly different lefty death sentences. The problem is McCain's only real challenge came from Romney so you could argue it goes back before that. But if you play that game you have to go back to Papa Bush and, yes, his ominous New World Order.

But just think about our Top 4 Choices in 2008, think about how they never really went away, how 2012 was Romney-Obama and 2016 was going to be Clinton-Bush... and ask yourself how the hell we EVER survived.

How it took a crass loudmouth New York celebrity to be the voice of freedom and of the unborn. And ask yourself how the hell all of it ever even happened.

Posted by: California, New York City at August 28, 2020 04:05 PM (FLkk2)

221 208 You know what's missing in Facebookland and especially the Twitterverse? The golden rule. Christ's admonition to 'do unto others as you would have them do unto you.'

I would settle for the Silver Rule: Don't do unto others as you don't want them to do unto you.
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Instituting Wodin's Day would be the progressive thing to do. On Wodin's Day you can kill anyone you want as long as you do it with a Viking Ax. No questions asked. You will find Wodin's Day will make the population much more polite.

Posted by: Puddin Head at August 28, 2020 04:06 PM (DQQq8)

222 211: Divided we stand, united we fall?

Posted by: CN at August 28, 2020 04:06 PM (ONvIw)

223
Sorry, Gell-Mann, per 191. My mistake.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 28, 2020 04:06 PM (pNxlR)

224 My sons are to my right.

But they're sons. I think that matters.

Posted by: dagny, first of her name at August 28, 2020 04:06 PM (ySQBZ)

225 223
Sorry, Gell-Mann, per 191. My mistake.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 28, 2020 04:06 PM (pNxlR)

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I'm sure everything else you write is fine, though.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a madhouse! A Madhouse! at August 28, 2020 04:06 PM (LvTSG)

226 Hopefully, he will someday come back to sanity.
Posted by: Romeo13 at August 28, 2020 04:04 PM (NgKpN)

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I doubt my daughter will.

In the meantime, I make do with photographs of simpler times with her and the g-babies.

Posted by: SMFH at August 28, 2020 04:06 PM (RU4sa)

227 I can barely see to my back fence for darkness and rai n.

Posted by: Skip at August 28, 2020 04:06 PM (OjZpE)

228 The way I look at it is, I am getting older and every day my time on earth is getting shorter. Why do I want to waste it on people who don't share my morals and what I believe in and worst, think I am a racist, etc etc? I'd rather be with like minded folks.
Posted by: IC


This needs to be put in lights.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 28, 2020 04:07 PM (4Hf9E)

229 The only professional sport I haven't walked entirely away from is baseball (for the love of the game). If the Indians join the "boycott," I'm out.

Posted by: Mostly Peaceful Zap Rowsdower at August 28, 2020 04:07 PM (cUpB1)

230 mm, Diversity is Strength. Everyone knows that.
Posted by: Puddin Head at August 28, 2020 04:04 PM (DQQq


You bet. Isn't that the national motto of Rwanda? Or was it Yugoslavia?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 28, 2020 04:07 PM (d0FS5)

231 The #metoo movement is another own-goal on the level of the "mostly peaceful" burning your town down.

Who though this was not going to hurt the left more than the right? It's so strange. Maybe they thought their strangle-grip on the media would save them.

Posted by: artemis at August 28, 2020 04:07 PM (AwPyG)

232 134
This hits home for me. I've lost some old and valued relationships. I'm sure most of us have.
Posted by: Ordinary American at August 28, 2020 03:53 PM (H8QX
I have as well. I long for the old days with those friends. I hung on as long as I could -probably longer than I should have. I just don't need to be called every vile name in the book over one facet of who I am (my political beliefs).
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at August 28, 2020 03:56 PM (N39Ws)

Yup.......my Epiphany came when Oblabla got re-upped for Preezy. Good friends of mine, well off, prosperous and businessmen all, spoke of how well they were doing under Oblabla. So selfish and so short sighted.

I cut ties with anyone who supported that fool including family. Today, if I find I am dealing with anyone who supports the left, I shitcan them immediately and avoid them as best I can.

Fuck them all.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 28, 2020 04:07 PM (Z+IKu)

233 Across CNN, ABC, CBS, Fox News, MSNBC, & NBC, ~14.1 million watched Trump's acceptance speech. Vice President Biden's speech at the DNC had 17.5 million, a delta of more than 3 million.

Gonna be an early night.

Posted by: Bull "Bull" Wynn at August 28, 2020 04:07 PM (DMUuz)

234 I'm sure everything else you write is fine, though.


-

(golf clap)

Posted by: Charles Darwin - The median COVID-19 age of death is older than the current male lifespan at August 28, 2020 04:07 PM (C1ewN)

235 216 Three-quarters of Democratic voters still believe Trump campaign colluded with Russia
Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at August 28, 2020 04:04 PM (Er9d2)

Maybe I oughta go work on that?

Posted by: Billy plays Bagpipes at August 28, 2020 04:07 PM (ONvIw)

236 You can also argue that 9/11 was a big turning point. It allowed the asshole Democrats to give radical Islam a seat at our social table. When it should have done the opposite.

Posted by: ... at August 28, 2020 04:07 PM (FLkk2)

237 #164 - That is better than my dad, a WWII vet who told me the other day that "communism isn't so bad". It took my breath away. How he went from a staunch Republican who campaigned for Nixon to this. No fool like an old fool.

Posted by: satrose at August 28, 2020 04:07 PM (nycWw)

238 The only professional sport I haven't walked entirely away from is baseball (for the love of the game). If the Indians join the "boycott," I'm out.
Posted by: Mostly Peaceful Zap Rowsdower at August 28, 2020 04:07 PM (cUpB1)


I was there, too, until the BLM bullshit on Opening Day.

Adios, pendejos!

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 28, 2020 04:07 PM (d0FS5)

239 Under Obama and an increasingly activist and left-leaning Supreme Court the left was finally accumulating the governmental power that they've always wanted to control our kids, our speech, property, education, housing and pretty much everything else.

Trump not only stopped that "progress" but has been reversing it for 3.5 years and giving Americans their freedom's back.

Since the governmental "track" didn't work the Left switched to using mobs, the press, social media, cancel culture, the swamp and interpersonal relationships to achieve the same ends.

Posted by: 29Victor at August 28, 2020 04:07 PM (BJKQV)

240 224 My sons are to my right.

But they're sons. I think that matters.
Posted by: dagny, first of her name at August 28, 2020 04:06 PM (ySQBZ)

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You are so, so lucky.

One daughter only calls when she needs money, the other wants nothing to do with us at all.

Posted by: SMFH at August 28, 2020 04:08 PM (RU4sa)

241 I keep my mouth shut, mostly. But if you bring it up, I will cancel you. I know that's harsh, but I can't ever trust you again.

Posted by: dagny, first of her name at August 28, 2020 04:08 PM (ySQBZ)

242 I can't say I won't watch the NFL, but Ive given up on baseball, basketball, hockey. My beloved Isles might actually get that 5th cup, but I don't care anymore. Spent the night sleeping on concrete in the Shea Stadium parking lot to buy 1999 NLCS tickets, don't care anymore. Still wavering on the NFL, we'll see. Probably start watching MMA, maybe some college football, which I generally have to watch on DVR because they are played on Saturday.

Posted by: Keyser at August 28, 2020 04:08 PM (rEV2u)

243 "Don't lose the thread now, Ron. You're so close."
--Ace

Have you considered that the idea that you are either going to Heaven or going to Hell, that you either serve God or serve Satan, is consistent with this?

Don't lose the thread now, atheists, you're so close.

What is the atheist materialist explanation? There isn't one that I know of.

Isn't it the atheist position that all people are animals the same?

(Sorry, but in all honesty, inaccurate I'm sure but from talking to people, isn't it also the nice middle-class Catholic and Lutheran position that everyone is basically good?)

Posted by: Thag at August 28, 2020 04:08 PM (AMiB5)

244 You can't reason with a person who is intellectually dishonest. The problem with a lot of today's Leftist agenda is its indefensible from a reasoned, factual outcome standpoint. In the end, it forces the liberal defender to admit that liberty, freedom, independent thought or materially good outcomes are not a consideration. Some may admit that, most will not. So they demur, dissemble or outright lie.

Through the Enlightenment and other periods of discovery the search for knowledge was always characterized as a search for the truth, or in Latin, veritas. That's because long ago mankind determined the path of truth and honesty leads to good outcomes. It's how most social mores, the mores these troglodytes are trying to tear down today, were developed. Through truth, discovery and beneficial outcomes. That process leads us, by trial and error, to what the best path is. We aren't bad people because of the way some of these mores and practices were developed. Or perhaps better put, some of those ideas were proven bad because people with terrible intentions heralded them. We (and I use that term lightly) were ignorant and ergo discovered that was not the path to take, so we adjusted and moved on.

The grievance peddlers of today are not interested in the truth because they know it leads to failure, their egos are too big to admit it, or their desires have a basis in mischief and evil.

With that in mind, we are two different people's. One pursuing the greater good and the other, evil. You can't reconcile those two, you can only realize the motives of those who support evil and separate from them. In history, sometimes evil wins, but it is never enduring. That's because it feeds on itself and is destined for destruction. Human nature is to live free in pursuit of the truth. That fact is as old as mankind itself.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 28, 2020 04:08 PM (VpIIl)

245 We got beat into this Republic, we have to ensure if it comes to it, we get beat out of it. Liberty or Death ain't just a flag folks.

Posted by: Heart of Darkness at August 28, 2020 04:08 PM (nFRLh)

246 @160 SMFH-You replied on my comment the other day about my three kids. You said I was lucky, I am but my middle child, daughter 14(going on 21) is a handful and our relationship is strained due to poisoning from her mother. Before me and her mother split she was a Daddy's girl to the core. Between her mother and the pull from outside influences(friends/culture/being a teenager) its difficult and heartbreaking. Nothing worse than truly loving someone that has misguided contempt for you. Hang tough SMFH.

Posted by: JROD at August 28, 2020 04:08 PM (0jZnq)

247 @228
I honestly think a lot of it is Christians vs. non-Christians. Christiana are called to be more tolerant, I think, and so we feel guilty about cutting people loose.

Posted by: artemis at August 28, 2020 04:09 PM (AwPyG)

248 first of all, shitcan twitter and facebook. these are not activities for men.

Posted by: x at August 28, 2020 04:09 PM (nFwvY)

249 163

I'm really really hoping that even the biggest NFL fan boys are sick of this shit and give up on the National Felons League. Some never will no matter how bad it gets but I hope enough do to really cut deeply into their revenues.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 28, 2020 03:57 PM (t+tI7)


I mentioned in an earlier thread, the NFL salary cap, for the first time, will decrease next year, from $198 to $175 million per team.

The players that know math or business already get it.

The majority of them will know next year, when their agent tells them their high multi-year contract is not guaranteed and they have been cut.

And then the good ones get re-signed at 50 cents on the dollar.

Heh.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at August 28, 2020 04:09 PM (sy5kK)

250 Confuse them- "I voted for Trump because he wrecked both the Bush and Clinton dynasties."

Posted by: mr tmz at August 28, 2020 04:09 PM (m/Gc2)

251 My older brother is a committed leftist...

Despite that, we're very close. We don't totally avoid politics, but we try to keep it light when it's discussed.

I kid my sister in law that I knew Pasha before he became Strelnikov, and how he should stop driving from Michigan to Rhode Island and use an armored train - much more in style with socialist leanings.

He likes to talk about my jackboot on the necks of working people.

Makes for great dinner conversation.

Posted by: jwest at August 28, 2020 04:09 PM (/BlEx)

252 As is often said, you can't use reason to get someone out of a position that they didn't use reason to get themselves into.

Posted by: Charles Darwin - The median COVID-19 age of death is older than the current male lifespan at August 28, 2020 04:09 PM (C1ewN)

253 the left wants us isolated, muzzled and six feet apart.

@@@@@

I believe this too.

Posted by: Piratepatch at August 28, 2020 04:09 PM (jHjyc)

254 >>Have you considered that the idea that you are either going to Heaven or going to Hell, that you either serve God or serve Satan, is consistent with this?


Nope.

Posted by: garrett at August 28, 2020 04:10 PM (dVEVU)

255 I keep posting the mental defects of the Left because it's the only explanation of why otherwise intelligent people become very dumb in a political bubble.

Projection is number one but The Ends Justify the Means is the most evil.


Posted by: Weaning is hard at August 28, 2020 04:10 PM (2DOZq)

256 @MattWolking

BREAKING: 6 mayors in historically Democrat strongholds on the Iron Range of Minnesota announce their support for President Trump

Posted by: JackStraw at August 28, 2020 04:10 PM (ZLI7S)

257 Three-quarters of Democratic voters still believe Trump campaign colluded with Russia

Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at August 28, 2020 04:04 PM (Er9d2)

And that Palin did indeed say she could see Russia from her house.

Posted by: Count de Monet at August 28, 2020 04:10 PM (DLzZd)

258 Could one of the cool kids help this old timer understand what "based" is?

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at August 28, 2020 04:10 PM (7Fj9P)

259 The media is to blamed for all of this--the media and Obama/Hillary. Because they all hated Trump they HAD to create and go all-in on Russia Collusion. Because only by making their political enemy an actual traitor in league with a despotic state, could they justify the hatred they threw at him for four years.

They started this the very NIGHT of the election when Hillary refused to come down to meet her supporters and the maniacal Podesta appeared shouting "THIS is NOT OVER!! We'll have MORE to say tomorrow!"

If they had let up--and Pelosi and Schumer had tried to work with him, the Union would be in a much beyter place today.

Posted by: JoeF. at August 28, 2020 04:10 PM (7ixfo)

260 What is concerning is the practical logistics of post election life. Do we see pockets of resistance, how do we organize? I am hoping for a Trump win, but think voter fraud will be too great to overcome. Plus the courts. Geez, that I even think these things let alone write them.

Posted by: satrose at August 28, 2020 04:10 PM (nycWw)

261 My kids are both conservative. The older one was an early PDT supporter, the younger started as a Cruz fanatic. Both will be happily voting for Trump/Pence.

Posted by: CN at August 28, 2020 04:10 PM (ONvIw)

262 256 @MattWolking

BREAKING: 6 mayors in historically Democrat strongholds on the Iron Range of Minnesota announce their support for President Trump
Posted by: JackStraw at August 28, 2020 04:10 PM (ZLI7S)

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But the polls from June!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a madhouse! A Madhouse! at August 28, 2020 04:10 PM (LvTSG)

263 We all know which side is afraid to express their opinion in public.

This makes the Democrats weak,

If they do not know what or how you think they no longer can persuade or change your mind.

I think they know this and this is why they are trying to dig deep for the minority vote and the youth vote that has never even registered.

They have nothing else.

No idea, no plans no platform other than their personal power.

They will con these kids so their rich elites and celebrities can keep making the cheap buck off of the poor people laboring in China.

One of Chinas biggest areas of growth was

Movie theaters,

I spent a lot of time in Hong Kong.

I called up a lot of Senators.

Want to know which Senator never signed to bill to support the Hong Kong people.

Bernie Saunders. His office told me he made a statement on Twitter.

No joke,

LeBron James talks about empathy and whatever the hell else.

He turned into a drama queen in Shanghai or the meeting deciding if they would go to Shanghai.

He and the NBA folded like cheap tents and worshipped on their knees their own almighty bucks.

China is a looming crisis.

Posted by: Greange at August 28, 2020 04:10 PM (aAePe)

264 My youngest daughter, who turned 28 today, has more or less disowned me and her dad over politics.
Posted by: SMFH


I am thankful the Daughters of Diogenes are fine conservative, Christian women. Too early to tell about the grandkids, but I seriously distrust their schools.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 28, 2020 04:10 PM (axyOa)

265 I completely avoid political topics with my Dem relatives. But if they ever chose to bring it up, I won't back down.

My hairdresser hated Trump 7 months ago. Now she's struggling to keep her business afloat and she hates Evers and the lockdown. She hates the Karens and she hates the riots. And she's moving to a different salon in a less liberal suburb.

Last time she cut my hair, she said "I bet a lot of people are going to vote for Trump but they can't tell anybody."

I said, "Do you think you will?"

Silence. Then she changed the topic. Quite a shift from Orange Man Bad.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V at August 28, 2020 04:10 PM (HabA/)

266 257 Three-quarters of Democratic voters still believe Trump campaign colluded with Russia

Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at August 28, 2020 04:04 PM (Er9d2)

And that Palin did indeed say she could see Russia from her house.
Posted by: Count de Monet at August 28, 2020 04:10 PM (DLzZd)

==========

About half believe that Russia changed vote totals in voting machines.

Seriously. Polling firms stopped asking that question for some reason.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a madhouse! A Madhouse! at August 28, 2020 04:11 PM (LvTSG)

267 Like I've been saying - Iron Range. Have had MN in Trump's column for a long time, long before Mpls Meltdown.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 28, 2020 04:11 PM (OTzUX)

268 BREAKING: 6 mayors in historically Democrat strongholds on the Iron Range of Minnesota announce their support for President Trump
Posted by: JackStraw at August 28, 2020 04:10 PM (ZLI7S)

HUGE

Posted by: JoeF. at August 28, 2020 04:11 PM (7ixfo)

269 Posted by: JROD at August 28, 2020 04:08 PM (0jZnq)

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Thing is, I no longer want to 'hang on'.

I tried to get hold of my doctor, but he's on vacay.

Posted by: SMFH at August 28, 2020 04:11 PM (RU4sa)

270 Vice President Biden's speech at the DNC had 17.5 million,

Just a reminder that crowds will show up to watch a train wreck.

Posted by: 🐧 at August 28, 2020 04:11 PM (C+evo)

271 Both my wife and I are retired Fed employees. We both had a rule while at work; "Don't discuss politics with lefties."

Now that we're out, and free to speak our minds, those that berated us with their nonsense are getting a shit ton of blowback. They simply do not have a cogent argument.

It's glorious.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 28, 2020 04:11 PM (3H9h1)

272 233 Across CNN, ABC, CBS, Fox News, MSNBC, & NBC, ~14.1 million watched Trump's acceptance speech. Vice President Biden's speech at the DNC had 17.5 million, a delta of more than 3 million
- - - - - - - - - - - -

I know this will sound cockeyed, but if more people watched Biden, it may be that more people were curious about Biden. Especially on our side. The people who don't like Trump had little reason to tune in, while we all tuned in to watch the car crash.

The numbers COULD be bad news for us unless,, say, people didn't like what they saw from Biden, in which case a flattening or trough in his polling numbers would show up.

But then of courese the Lying Liars Who Lie would have to come up with a cover story for that, like "the violent riots are suddenly hurting our polling numbers".

Posted by: ... at August 28, 2020 04:11 PM (FLkk2)

273 I no longer want to engage with the Bernie Bro nut in my writing group. The leader of the group is pro-Trump, but doesn't bring the topic up; the third member is a retired lady who does not like Trump, but does not want to see socialism and Communism in America. (I told her, "That's okay. We didn't hire Trump to be our buddy. We hired him to protect America.")

So the other two are okay. The first fellow, he's old enough to know socialism and Communism don't work, he was in Vietnam and saw the results of it first hand, but he still thinks Bernie "has the right idea" and that Trump "is out to enrich his friends the fat cats." Exact quotes.

So when he sent me a Chinese propaganda video purporting to prove that the Chinese response to COVID was "the right way to go," I sent him the link to the White Coat Summit video -- but I haven't engaged since then. I don't need it.

If all three of them are hipped on the mask bit, I don't want to deal with that either. It's a shame; I'll miss 'em; it's been a good and very useful group. But I don't need the stress.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at August 28, 2020 04:11 PM (Ejm1K)

274 114 This is pre Dem convention observation from a British Lady. She's very good and so is her humorous presentation.

https://video.parler.com/I6/Gp/I6GpphE6K4ZR.mp4
Posted by: Braenyard at August 28, 2020 03:51 PM (LwkUs)


Her name is Katie Hopkins (SAY HER NAME!!). She has been banned from Twitter for subverting expectations.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Charismatic MAGAfauna Exemplar at August 28, 2020 04:12 PM (3/PgD)

275 When I see young men in their 20's on skateboards wearing backpacks, I see overgrown adolescents. I know they still live at home and will for a long time. I know that even if they have a job or a good job, they'll never really get good at it. They'll usually be angry at the world but they'll never understand why. It will always be the fault of outside circumstances or other people. Never their own.

These are the generation we're handing the future off to. Yet they think they'll build the Perfect World.

Posted by: kbdabear at August 28, 2020 04:12 PM (qAR6u)

276 The viewer number are total bullshit - another lying poll.

Posted by: Heart of Darkness at August 28, 2020 04:12 PM (nFRLh)

277 261 My kids are both conservative. The older one was an early PDT supporter, the younger started as a Cruz fanatic. Both will be happily voting for Trump/Pence.
Posted by: CN at August 28, 2020 04:10 PM (ONvIw)


You are truly blessed.

Posted by: moon_over_vermont at August 28, 2020 04:12 PM (00CEy)

278 123...
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 28, 2020 03:51 PM (mht8P)

Hadrian, sounds like our household.

Posted by: Flyover at August 28, 2020 04:12 PM (Rbu5d)

279 Two things:

Passion clouds reason, and these are very passionate times, so it is unreasonable to expect others to be reasonable. Wait for the passions to cool.

Second, faith is a cycle: beliefs colors our interaction in the world, which lead to more experience, which potentially challenge our beliefs. When a person replaces religion with politics, they are still engaging in a set of organizing principles, accepted on faith, that bring meaning to one's life. And it's just as devastating when reality intrudes on a person's faith to an extent where they are no longer able to reconcile their faith with reality. When this crisis of faith renders our beliefs incompatible with reality one of 2 things happens: We either 1) become despondent and conclude our faith was wrong so the complete opposite must be true (you used to see this in a lot in anti-communists who were former communists like David Horowitz) or 2) we conclude the world were our faith is non-operational is just too scary to accept, so we double down on faith and develop cognitive dissonance in order to dismiss the parts of reality we reject.

We know racism is responsible for every bad thing that happens to black so if they are looting, well obviously proves slavery must justify looting.

Posted by: Darin G Zimmerman at August 28, 2020 04:12 PM (9O4zU)

280 We cannot live with them. Nor they with us.

We believe in the Constitution and the Rule of Law.
They believe in raw power and forced submission/obedience.

A spoiled, narcissist, nihilistic portion of the population will NEVER accept the results of any election. We have 20 years of their refusal to do so---unless 'their side' wins.

Somebody is going to have to leave town and not be welcome back . As to who leaves and who stays depends on where and how many of 'your kind' live where you do.

Short version--if you live in a deep blue states, cities counties---UHaul.......

Posted by: Voter theater. at August 28, 2020 04:12 PM (xXx5y)

281 This business of dissing the flag and anthem is a key indicator that we are not members of the same country.
Actually, it's an EXPLICIT statement that we aren't.

We've gone from disagreement about how to run a country to one side disavowing, proclaiming enmity against a country that has failed to live up to their (supposed) ideals.

Only a few years ago, Kaepernick was considered an extremist. Now he is considered a great hero by all of our major institutions.

Yeah, it's dead.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at August 28, 2020 04:13 PM (M/9m0)

282 224 My sons are to my right.

But they're sons. I think that matters.
Posted by: dagny, first of her name at August 28, 2020 04:06 PM (ySQBZ)

-------

It always depends on the individual. I have 2 daughters. Both are very conservative.

Protip: Never allow your children to say stupid stuff without being called out on it.

Posted by: Seems Legit at August 28, 2020 04:13 PM (jUVms)

283 224 My sons are to my right.

But they're sons. I think that matters.
--------------------
Dagny, you sons are white and as such are the White Debil. Slowly whitey is becoming Woke.

Posted by: Puddin Head at August 28, 2020 04:13 PM (DQQq8)

284 I said, "Do you think you will?"

Silence. Then she changed the topic. Quite a shift from Orange Man Bad.
Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V at August 28, 2020 04:10 PM (HabA/)

That's a YES!!!!

Posted by: ... at August 28, 2020 04:13 PM (FLkk2)

285 By the way, that's why is say the media should be first on the burn pit. They hide the truth from people and purposely create division to serve their personal bias. I can think of few things that should place people in a burning hell than to mislead people through lies. It's indefensible and one big reason why our country is so divided today.

I talk to a lot of people today who watched the RNC last night. If I had a nickel for every time someone told me they did not know Trump had all those accomplishments, I would be sitting on a beach in Tahiti right now.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 28, 2020 04:13 PM (VpIIl)

286 When I see young men in their 20's on skateboards wearing backpacks, I see overgrown adolescents.

-

The one I dislike and see often is 30+ year old men in office settings using backpacks.

Posted by: Charles Darwin - The median COVID-19 age of death is older than the current male lifespan at August 28, 2020 04:13 PM (C1ewN)

287
I'm sure everything else you write is fine, though.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a madhouse! A Madhouse! at August 28, 2020 04:06 PM (LvTSG)


Zing! Good one!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 28, 2020 04:13 PM (pNxlR)

288 Took me years to flip my dad. He was an old deep south Democrat. His dad had been a dem senator briefly. He voted Nixon but also Carter. He typically voted southern vs party.

I got him to vote Reagan when I wasn't old enough to vote.

Posted by: dagny, first of her name at August 28, 2020 04:13 PM (ySQBZ)

289 258 Could one of the cool kids help this old timer understand what "based" is?
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin

do you believe Bruce Jenner is a male? if so, you are based.

Posted by: x at August 28, 2020 04:13 PM (nFwvY)

290 284 I said, "Do you think you will?"

Silence. Then she changed the topic. Quite a shift from Orange Man Bad.
Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V at August 28, 2020 04:10 PM (HabA/)

That's a YES!!!!
Posted by: ... at August 28, 2020 04:13 PM (FLkk2)

=========

She was going to say no, but Trump stole her mailbox.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a madhouse! A Madhouse! at August 28, 2020 04:13 PM (LvTSG)

291 If that's true, how do they sometimes change? Or do they?
Posted by: dagny, first of her name at August 28, 2020 04:01 PM (ySQBZ)

Cognitive behavioral therapy - they need to change their behaviors so their thinking changes. This usually occurs as a result of a shock to their systems be it joyous or tragic- the birth of a child or a personal trauma can change their brain chemistry and how the world is perceived - the change in perceptions changes their behaviors. But they need to be in a place (socially, physically) where the new behaviors can be routed through the reward (or fear) circuitry and then cemented.

Think about BF Skinner. We are all undergoing fear conditioning right now but we have choices about how to respond to it. The LW you see do not have the coping mechanisms nor appropriate social support systems to properly respond to the fear the media is piling on them- so they submit and join in.

This is one of the reasons we come here & why these hilarious memes are so important.

Posted by: batterup at August 28, 2020 04:13 PM (K4I9O)

292 My wife has cancelled 3 black friends on FB as they just got too twisted - a couple she has known since high school in Alabama of all things. Shit is crazy out there - there is no one America anymore, but its not color or station, its being American or bat shit crazy.

Posted by: Heart of Darkness at August 28, 2020 04:13 PM (nFRLh)

293 The issue is that for the left, politics is religious faith. They believe with their heart and soul, and their "truths" cannot be questioned, because to question those "truths" is to question the people holding them. And they cannot bear under the questioning.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at August 28, 2020 04:14 PM (E+OcO)

294 Flyers cancelled their hockey game last night for BLM, couldn't care if there is any sports on, being the racists their fans are if it hasn't sunk in by now it never will.

Posted by: Skip at August 28, 2020 04:14 PM (OjZpE)

295 >>slavery must justify looting.


And here I thought it only justified my disposition to avoid paying retail.

Posted by: garrett at August 28, 2020 04:14 PM (dVEVU)

296 It always struck me as odd a shot fired into the ceiling of the restaurant was the end of anyone being at all curious about Comet Pizza and Pizzagate.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at August 28, 2020 03:57 PM (WEBkv)


Mouthy Buddha recently did a 3 part series on it.

Link to the trailer: https://youtu.be/NKyV1Ex0fb8

Posted by: clutch cargo at August 28, 2020 04:14 PM (8B6Ng)

297 237. That is sad. Hindisght is what it is. For my grandfather, he pinpoints one election as the turning point, though no one knew it at the time.

He voted for Perot in 1992, and regrets it for a specific reason. HWB was no Reagan, you see. His belief is that Clinton was a really bad apple, and that coming around at the end of the Cold War was the worst possible time for him. Clinton got to purge the FBI, CIA and military of good guys. His opinion is that the nation has never really been the same.

That is just his opinion, obviously shaped by the times he lived.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at August 28, 2020 04:14 PM (JRaU+)

298 Dagny, you sons are white and as such are the White Debil. Slowly whitey is becoming Woke.


Yeah, they know they hate them and want them to die. College made them FARTHER right.

Posted by: dagny, first of her name at August 28, 2020 04:14 PM (ySQBZ)

299 Just landed at Dulles.


No one is safe.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at August 28, 2020 04:14 PM (zQUwX)

300 We cut the cord on cable/dish/tv two years ago. Haven't watch sports since. When we get the itch, we pull up highlights of whatever sport on youtube. I still love to watch Nolan Ryan come off the pitchers mound and kick that batters ass.

Posted by: satrose at August 28, 2020 04:14 PM (nycWw)

301 T-Hill looks like he's in a hostage video.

Posted by: Adama at August 28, 2020 04:15 PM (YzY9t)

302 Instituting Wodin's Day would be the progressive thing to do. On Wodin's Day you can kill anyone you want as long as you do it with a Viking Ax. No questions asked. You will find Wodin's Day will make the population much more polite.
Posted by: Puddin Head at August 28, 2020 04:06 PM

_____________________

What happens if I don't want to kill anyone and someone wants to kill me with an axe? Am I allowed to defend my person with an AR guilt free? If so, I'm in!

Posted by: Swallow the Rabbit Whole at August 28, 2020 04:15 PM (DB16e)

303 I am the only conservative in my immediate family. Both parents and my sister with her family are diehard leftists. I often joke that I must be the postman's son (which is the truth, my father worked for the postal service).
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at August 28, 2020 04:01 PM (N39Ws)
.......

What bothers me is when the family gets together the Lefties always try to loudly inject their crappy politics into the conversation like they are winning something. The rest of us, my daughter included thankfully, just sit there quietly thinking OMG AYFKM.

Posted by: wth at August 28, 2020 04:15 PM (v0R5T)

304 I lost a 25-year friend after an argument about Kavanaugh. I am right there with Ron.

And I really like the people I work with currently, but the firm is probably at least 92 percent hard-Democrat. I don't discuss politics at work except in very vague, general, non-position-taking observational terms. ("Yeah, the campaigns are getting pretty heated up," etc.)

Meanwhile, I've set a LinkedIn job listing alert for openings at Dhillon and Coleman's firm. I ought to probably just send them a resume and letter.

Posted by: Alex at August 28, 2020 04:15 PM (vshng)

305 I had an epiphany today. Against my better judgment, I got into it with a high school acquaintance on Facebook over the shooting in Kenosha with that kid in the street. My HS relation is 100% convinced the kid is a domestic terrorist. I merely pointed out that the video evidence this far available to public makes a pretty strong argument for self defense. Mind you, I wasn't saying the kid has no culpability or that he can't be charged with something else, I just said the kid has a pretty solid case to make that it's not murder.

The amount of vitriol that followed was...depressing. It's as if some people in this world can't even entertain the possibility that there are people in this world that can have different opinions about the same event. I have my doubts they'll be able to accept the outcome of any criminal case that doesn't fit their internal narrative, let alone a national election.

This is not going to end well.

Posted by: Jim Bob at August 28, 2020 04:15 PM (r/fXC)

306 Nothing incorrect in Coleman's essay - I've checked his twatters for a long time, when something legal-ish is afoot where he's got expertise, so he's not a new name.

But as with most things, over-determined.

He mentions the problem with false factual premises.

That's the actual end of the analysis. He tries to dress up his acquaintances' inability to base their thinking on actual facts, but he was done when got to that point.

Not a fan of intellectual fiddle-faddle, or as Marx put it about Feuerbach, "theoretical bubble-blowing".

If someone is proceeding from a false premise in, say, a discussion of designing a bridge, or painting a wall, or pricing a product - then there's really no meaningful discussion after that.

"Politics" is a key escape-word, a euphemism, for "this is sports, or wine-tasting, it's entirely personal taste, that's it, no substance or facts to discuss".

There might be a gulf on values or whatever term Coleman uses up above, but it's academic, and one doesn't even get there. If they won't deal with reality, and facts, and actual history, then there's nothing to their point of view, it's not serious.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 28, 2020 04:15 PM (OTzUX)

307 Speaking of Crichton, CNN did a puff piece on our company in the past year.

They got almost every fucking detail wrong, then ignored us when we asked them to correct it.

I realized because of the media today you only have two options: be uninformed or misinformed.

Posted by: Two Weeks From Being The Flags Behind Ivanka at August 28, 2020 04:15 PM (+dsLj)

308 I've changed my mind about Bush, Romney and McCain, because new facts have come out that convinced me I was wrong.

When it comes to Biden, Obama and Hillary, there is no fact that will dissuade lefties from worshiping at the alter of their idols.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at August 28, 2020 03:41 PM (WEBkv)

This is so true.

I've changed my mind on so many things, and what you mention above are only a few of them.

I believed in the Gulf War, for instance. Still do, but I now believe that if we go to war in the future, you go in the way the Romans did. Anything else is half-measuring it. If you can't go Roman, don't go in at all.

I thought that the military was above reproach, once. Now, I know that they can be just as swampy as the most corrupt Teamsters union boss.

Same with the CIA. I laughed at their portrayals in movies like Three Days of the Condor as a kid growing up in the 70s, but I think with Crossfire Hurricane and Russia 'collusion', I'm not laughing as hard now.

So, yes. I'm open to changing my mind as circumstances and evidence present themselves. I really don't think that's the case with the Leftists that I know, however.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at August 28, 2020 04:16 PM (6xA3t)

309
When I see young men in their 20's on skateboards wearing backpacks, I see overgrown adolescents.
-
The one I dislike and see often is 30+ year old men in office settings using backpacks.
Posted by: Charles Darwin - The median COVID-19 age of death is older than the current male lifespan at August 28, 2020 04:13 PM (C1ewN)


The ones on two-wheeled scooters slay me.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 28, 2020 04:16 PM (pNxlR)

310 Even a basic understanding of history shows how wrong he is.

This is the foundation of the American schism. The Hard Left expropriated public education decades ago, and the chickens are now coming home to roost.

Posted by: One-Eyed Cat Peepin' in the Seafood Store at August 28, 2020 04:16 PM (/sTHK)

311 AP article right now, up over on MSN.

Total whitewash of the Perps Kyle put down in Kenosha.

No mention of their records at all.

The Gaslighting, continues.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 28, 2020 04:16 PM (NgKpN)

312 "Just landed at Dulles.


No one is safe.
Posted by: Nurse ratched at August 28, 2020 04:14 PM (zQUwX)"

Are you wearing pants?

Posted by: Marcus T at August 28, 2020 04:16 PM (VpIIl)

313 When I see men on skateboards, I see the enemy. Sorry.

Posted by: Heart of Darkness at August 28, 2020 04:16 PM (nFRLh)

314 Three-quarters of Democratic voters still believe Trump campaign colluded with Russia

Russia bought that election with an ad on Facebook.

I'm surprised nobody else has done it.

Posted by: t-bird at August 28, 2020 04:16 PM (vOGqy)

315 Protip: Never allow your children to say stupid stuff without being called out on it.



No worries. Lol.

Posted by: dagny, first of her name at August 28, 2020 04:16 PM (ySQBZ)

316 286 When I see young men in their 20's on skateboards wearing backpacks, I see overgrown adolescents.
-
The one I dislike and see often is 30+ year old men in office settings using backpacks.
Posted by: Charles Darwin - The median COVID-19 age of death is older than the current male lifespan at August 28, 2020 04:13 PM (C1ewN)


But both pale into insignificance with respect to the mis-named "man" bun. It looks like someone crapped on the guy's head.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 28, 2020 04:16 PM (d0FS5)

317 So much I can relate to here.
I am also dropping friends--or maybe they are dropping me? I had two work friends. We were the Three Amigos. Then Trump got elected. They said crazy things. They badmouthed the whole country. They revealed themselves. I see this ugliness on FB and so I put everyone on restricted list. Also, when I had a bad accident a while ago it was my unfashionable conservative friends who cared about me--the lefties were too busy loving humanity to care about me. Like that old song "easy to be hard".

Also I have a few relatives that are very well educated professionals and they sound like antifa street thugs. I skipped Thanksgiving 2016, and now I avoid them on FB and in real life too. When I saw what they wrote during covid, I was depressed for a week.

I literally cannot stand the never ending tsunami of hatred. It's wearing me down.

I also don't think the country as we know it will last. Trump will be reelected but that won't be enough time, and our side doesn't look close enough at the sources of our conflicts or fight. My younger relatives and their kids have been completely brainwashed in their top tier educations. Our future leaders.

Posted by: PJ at August 28, 2020 04:16 PM (qlTN9)

318 These are the generation we're handing the future off to. Yet they think they'll build the Perfect World.
------------------
We saw the same thing in 68. Most of that generation was not in the streets keeping it real. The majority of that generation was pursuing their life sans 'political agitation'. The same is happening now. The Dem Wizards thought recreating 68 would brand them with another generation. There will be a brand and it will be spelled LOSER just like it did in 68.

Posted by: Puddin Head at August 28, 2020 04:17 PM (DQQq8)

319 Across CNN, ABC, CBS, Fox News, MSNBC, & NBC, ~14.1 million watched Trump's acceptance speech. Vice President Biden's speech at the DNC had 17.5 million, a delta of more than 3 million


My Believe-o-Meter isn't registering.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 28, 2020 04:17 PM (axyOa)

320 It is very difficult to think independently, to think honestly. So many people are hardwired to accept whatever their peer group accepts, that's how they define "moral". These are the people who would go Nazi, or go Commie, or go whatever way the winds of their peer groups are blowing.

No matter how "intellectual" they may pretend to be, they do not have the capability of independent moral thought.

You can tolerate these people, even be friendly on the surface in peacetime. But you can never trust these people.

and these people are NOT your equals.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 28, 2020 04:17 PM (Kpl3J)

321 We had some good friends who we often dined out with. Then we found out that the husband lingered behind so as to steal the tip we'd left on the table.
We couldn't have anything to do with either one of them ever again--its a defining moment I think it's kind of the same principle

Posted by: artemis at August 28, 2020 04:17 PM (AwPyG)

322 261 My kids are both conservative. The older one was an early PDT supporter, the younger started as a Cruz fanatic. Both will be happily voting for Trump/Pence.
Posted by: CN at August 28, 2020 04:10 PM (ONvIw)

You are truly blessed.
Posted by: moon_over_vermont at August 28, 2020 04:12 PM (00CEy)
......

Plus it makes digesting dinner a lot easier.

Posted by: wth at August 28, 2020 04:17 PM (v0R5T)

323 The thing about the DNC v. RNC TV ratings:

I believe DNC had 3 million more viewers... on the NETWORKS.

However, those ratings don't include viewers who watched online, & Team Trump claims they cleaned up there.

The fact that C-Span had lopsidedly more viewers for the RNC the first night is a clue. C-Span wouldn't be included, either.

Posted by: mnw at August 28, 2020 04:17 PM (Cssks)

324 We don't totally avoid politics, but we try to keep it light when it's discussed.

Don't talk about politics.

Talk about human flourishing; where people can prosper, enjoy life, pursue their dreams, find their own way.

The Left hates it when human flourish and fulfill the first command of God: Be fruitful and multiply.

They will be left glorifying death, oppression and misery.

Posted by: 🐧 at August 28, 2020 04:17 PM (C+evo)

325 The only friend I have left is my dog. Anyone else worth talking to is dead.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 28, 2020 04:17 PM (VpIIl)

326 Wow, yesterday at my doctor's office. He's my age, Jewish, an Angelino, an intellectually bright, honest guy. We've become "friends" ( reason behind scare quotes in a moment) and have socialized together for several years. We were discussing the riots. He said, "these people have paid consultants" in reference to the Democrats and their embrace of the violence. I nodded and he went on about it and near the end it dawned on me: he didn't care about the horror and ethics at all, just the poor tactics.

On the drive home, I realized I never pushed back on that point and felt constrained in doing so. Why? And then it occurred to me I never had challenged him as vigorously as I wanted in the past because he almost assuredly would have become mad and angry. That isn't a friendship at all. I expect this is happening a lot. He's not among my closest friends but one I valued.

Just awful.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at August 28, 2020 04:17 PM (C8CEK)

327 313 When I see men on skateboards, I see the enemy. Sorry.
Posted by: Heart of Darkness at August 28, 2020 04:16 PM (nFRLh)


I used to enjoy riding my ten-speed bike, but don't do it anymore, for just that reason. There are so many chi-chi cycling leftist Nazis being complete assholes that I don't want to be taken for one.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 28, 2020 04:18 PM (d0FS5)

328 BREAKING: 6 mayors in historically Democrat strongholds on the Iron Range of Minnesota announce their support for President Trump
=====================
It's still seems like a tell that Joey Bidet is not just planning on going to MN, but telling everyone he is. They must really be sinking.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at August 28, 2020 04:18 PM (7Fj9P)

329 And I don't quite agree with the premise here.

This is nothing more than a Moral Realism v Moral Relativism argument.

The same argument Humanity has been waging since the late 1700s or so.

Posted by: garrett at August 28, 2020 04:18 PM (dVEVU)

330 So, what is the makeup of the crowd that harassed Trump supporters in DC last night? Some are extreme, hard-core lefties, probably paid and flown or bussed in, with a place a paid hotel room. Maybe experienced Portland rioters. I think the crowd was seeded with these extremists to create an example for some others who might "go along".

But even a true believer is unlikely to physically push back against police. Some, who still have a soul, might even feel bad about seeing a thug shouting "F you" and flipping the bird a foot away from a tiny, old white haired lady just walking to her hotel.

Posted by: FloridaMan at August 28, 2020 04:18 PM (HCeRP)

331 #135
Gell-Mann Effect

Posted by: MediaIsAssho at August 28, 2020 04:18 PM (Taiez)

332 "My youngest daughter, who turned 28 today, has more or less disowned me and her dad over politics."

Understand - cannot have a discussion without our kids "fact checking" me as we talk - want to smash the phone and say use your own brain.
If the left wins I know that somewhere after my time comes I'll be looking down and feeling bad for this generation when it dawns on them that whatever worth their parents intended to leave to them will be scooped up by the state to fund the causes they are now so fond of... "Its not fair" will be the new pledge of allegiance. I know several 60 plus folks like me who are struggling with same dilemmas regarding kids. Being silent is not being complacent - just biding time until the earthquake on 3 Nov I am praying for happens. Our own kids may despise us but as good parents we should strive to win a battle we know will benefit our kids even if never acknowledged...
Those who have parents born in the thirties have seen them depart this life with no gratitude for doing the right thing in raising us to treat people equally even as it cost them friends and colleagues who were of the old segregationist mindset and yes sometimes even job opportunities. Now as their children we are being told the day in day out incremental acts of kindness and fair treatment exercised over a lifetime mean nothing because we are privileged. That it comes from our own children is the difference from our parents generation.
.

Posted by: brad at August 28, 2020 04:18 PM (75nH5)

333 312
"Just landed at Dulles.





No one is safe.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at August 28, 2020 04:14 PM (zQUwX)"



Are you wearing pants?

Posted by: Marcus T at August 28, 2020 04:16 PM (VpIIl)

Sober?

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at August 28, 2020 04:18 PM (N39Ws)

334 I've drifted over the years with my sports viewing. Lots of reasons. I mostly watch golf and racing anymore. SJW has seeped into them too but it's not nearly as pronounced. I've just drifted away from the NFL, MLB, NHL, NCAA. I just stopped caring about it. Watching them self destruct brings no joy or sorrow. It brings nothing. I just don't care.

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at August 28, 2020 04:19 PM (MVR7y)

335 I watched on CSPAN. Is that included? Because that's where everyone I know watched it...

Nobody wanted to hear the crap and cut ins all the networks were doing.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 28, 2020 04:19 PM (VpIIl)

336 I have one aunt, one uncle, my sister and nephew.
(Not counting wife's family)

I have cut all communications with cousins.
I've asked them how they can think like they do.
I've told them to not give me any lip. I know how they were raised. Remember, we are cousins? I was raised the same way as you.

I'm not wasting any time on them.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 28, 2020 04:19 PM (4Hf9E)

337 @319
I believe the numbers--Trump voters are watching CSPAN or on-line. To me, this only illustrates how little the right trusts any of the network news.

Posted by: artemis at August 28, 2020 04:19 PM (AwPyG)

338 The one I dislike and see often is 30+ year old men in office settings using backpacks.
Posted by: Charles Darwin - The median COVID-19 age of death is older than the current male lifespan at August 28, 2020 04:13 PM (C1ewN)


I'll admit that I'm 38 and used my old Army assault pack as a backpack for work. A briefcase doesn't make sense because I don't carry a lot of documents, but I carry enough stuff that I need something large enough to hold them all.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at August 28, 2020 04:19 PM (SgjGX)

339 This is the foundation of the American schism. The Hard Left expropriated public education decades ago, and the chickens are now coming home to roost.
--------------------
Only the gimpy suck up students fall for this. The other kids know teacher is a loser.

Posted by: Puddin Head at August 28, 2020 04:19 PM (DQQq8)

340 I am of the opinion very few if any leftists can be convinced the error of their political views by anything less than being taxed to oblivion, mugged by urban thugs and have their house looted by BLM rioters. They are unreachable and I have huge doubts about reports of large numbers Dems coming around to Trump.

Posted by: Ripley at August 28, 2020 04:19 PM (MxEKc)

341 323 The thing about the DNC v. RNC TV ratings:

I believe DNC had 3 million more viewers... on the NETWORKS.

However, those ratings don't include viewers who watched online, & Team Trump claims they cleaned up there.

The fact that C-Span had lopsidedly more viewers for the RNC the first night is a clue. C-Span wouldn't be included, either.
Posted by: mnw at August 28, 2020 04:17 PM (Cssks)

=========

Based on what I read of network coverage, you only went network if you wanted to hear the personalities talk, not the speakers.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a madhouse! A Madhouse! at August 28, 2020 04:19 PM (LvTSG)

342 >>The fact that C-Span had lopsidedly more viewers for the RNC the first night is a clue. C-Span wouldn't be included, either.

Pence made an interesting comment in his stump speech today. He said he learns a lot from the CSPAN call in lines.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 28, 2020 04:19 PM (ZLI7S)

343 SKATEBOARDING IS NOT A CRIME

Posted by: 30 year old with a man bun and a backpack at August 28, 2020 04:19 PM (v0R5T)

344 310 As Dennijs Prager calls the Public Leftist Seminaries for indoctrination just as a Religious seminary would teach their students.

Posted by: Skip at August 28, 2020 04:19 PM (OjZpE)

345
@MattWolking



BREAKING: 6 mayors in historically Democrat strongholds on the Iron
Range of Minnesota announce their support for President Trump

Posted by: JackStraw at August 28, 2020 04:10 PM (ZLI7S)


Joe Biden: If they don't vote for me they ain't...go...you know...you know...the thing....

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 28, 2020 04:19 PM (Ty/7D)

346 My younger brother, who lurks here and also peruses some other sites some here read as well, is absolutely flabbergasted that so many of his childhood friends, who had the same schooling he did (I went to different schools for 6th - 8th grades), could be so dyed-in-thing for Biden/the Left. He calls me to get a dose of sanity. So long as he tunes their politics out, they have fun doing whatever they were doing before they went woahk.

Posted by: SFGoth at August 28, 2020 04:19 PM (KAi1n)

347 Daily Caller@DailyCaller
CNN guest Dr. Rob Davidson says that social distancing isn't as big of a concern at the March on Washington as it was last night at President Trump's speech because "this is a public health crisis they are marching against. Systemic racism has taken so many lives in this country"

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I didn't even know Covid was a SJW.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at August 28, 2020 04:20 PM (+y/Ru)

348 A good friend convinced me about 15 years ago, that Democrats are evil. Once I opened my eyes to it, it can't be unseen. I've been othering them since. The first American civil war the enemy was a yank or a Reb, not a human. There were krauts, nips, gooks and the ones I looked at through my peep sight, haji. They're not people
The left has let slip the dogs of war, there's no calling them back, they're not that disciplined. Just as the violence has been escalating it will continue. The Dem politicians can't stop it now, if they even want to.
In Wisconsin the enemy has ventured into the wrong battle space. Thanks to that young man and his AR I'm hearing the voice of admiral Yamamoto after pearl harbor. While the rest of the Japanese imperial command celebrated the victory, Yamamoto remarked, "I fear we have awakened a sleeping giant and filled him with a great resolve.".
There's no peaceful solution possible anymore.

Posted by: Fra Filippo at August 28, 2020 04:20 PM (WH8+k)

349 Noooooooooooood

Posted by: Chin music at August 28, 2020 04:20 PM (t8efL)

350 I believe DNC had 3 million more viewers... on the NETWORKS.

If you wanted to see the GOP Convention then you would watch direct feeds.

If you want to see embittered losers, filthy liars and leftists trashing America - then get your fix on the NETWORKS.

Posted by: 🐧 at August 28, 2020 04:20 PM (C+evo)

351 >>I used to enjoy riding my ten-speed bike, but don't do it anymore, for just that reason. There are so many chi-chi cycling leftist Nazis being complete assholes that I don't want to be taken for one.


Don't be a fag. Get on that bike and give them all the shit you want to.

Fuck them and their ankle/calf tattoos.

And I'm not saying that because I don't want to be the only Conservative guy out there in Spandex.

Posted by: garrett at August 28, 2020 04:20 PM (5kNIi)

352 Noooooooooooooood! Confusion.

Posted by: Laughing in Texas at August 28, 2020 04:20 PM (ExV1e)

353 I also don't think the country as we know it will last. Trump will be reelected but that won't be enough time, and our side doesn't look close enough at the sources of our conflicts or fight. My younger relatives and their kids have been completely brainwashed in their top tier educations. Our future leaders.
Posted by: PJ at August 28, 2020 04:16 PM (qlTN9)

I do feel honestly sorry for those of you who have to say goodbye to most of your old friends and family. But you do have to, for your own sanity and peace of mind. There's a reason the old Italians would say "you are dead to me". There are times when that is the only mindset that can work.

and get off facebook. it's not worth it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 28, 2020 04:20 PM (Kpl3J)

354 What bothers me is when the family gets together the Lefties always try to loudly inject their crappy politics into the conversation like they are winning something. The rest of us, my daughter included thankfully, just sit there quietly thinking OMG AYFKM.
Posted by: wth at August 28, 2020 04:


I smirked and laughed at my in laws from 1983-2008.

Then obama was elected. They HATED Obama.

Trump shows up. They love trump.

Suddenly they want my opinion. They think things changed. I say a lot of stuff like, "well, that was always true." But I do like them more.

Posted by: dagny, first of her name at August 28, 2020 04:20 PM (ySQBZ)

355 "He diddled an intern inside the oval office."
Understatement of the week.
He got his d!ck sucked by a woman (not his wife) leaving him open to political blackmail. He also blew his wad all over her dress permanently soiling the physical locale of the office, leading to it occasionally being referred to as "The Oval Orifice"....
Should have been impeached and imprisoned as a traitor for this act alone.

Posted by: Moron #5482 at August 28, 2020 04:20 PM (1g1YE)

356 How many of us have looked around at our neighborhoods and know right now who we can trust?
I have. And in the past I have joked about the 42nd Street Militia, but its not so funny anymore. But now I know who, if the Seattle shitheads decide to head for the 'burbs, I can rely on to help keep my home safe.
I also know there are a few 'rons and 'ettes in the area I can trust.
Now is the time for getting organized, of only over a couple beers and a brat.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 28, 2020 04:20 PM (axyOa)

357 You know, if leftists could make inroads to universities and to pop culture areas, TV, movies--positions that lead culture and politics--then so can reasonable, moral people with common sense. We already make better memes, ahem.

Of course, it has to be organic. You can't say, OK, I'm going to make right-leaning TV or movie faire. You have to say, I'm going to make some money and I'm going to be ethical about it and express a moral point of view that celebrates free markets and liberty.

Posted by: Sphynx at August 28, 2020 04:20 PM (rXie1)

358 Only a few years ago, Kaepernick was considered an extremist. Now he is considered a great hero by all of our major institutions.

Yeah, it's dead.


It is. But in more ways than one. Conservatives are little more than shambling zombies at this point. Damned if I know what they believe anymore. Their memories don't seem to extend past the Warren Court era, so it's mostly an unconscious rearguard action defending yesterday's liberalism. Take Texas. I'd love to secede. But Greg Abbott's performance of late shows that we'd still be gayer than Harvey Milk at a Boy Scout Jamboree. Despair. There's really no fix that wouldn't involve eliminating a lot of people.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at August 28, 2020 04:20 PM (H5knJ)

359 293 The issue is that for the left, politics is religious faith. They believe with their heart and soul, and their "truths" cannot be questioned, because to question those "truths" is to question the people holding them. And they cannot bear under the questioning.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at August 28, 2020 04:14 PM (E+OcO)

And even people who don't agree with them are beginning to fall in line as if they live in an oppressive religious state. They know that if they "blaspheme" then they'll be forced to repent or be excommunicated so they publicly declare their faith and submission hoping that will never happen.

The thing is that most religions have a (mostly) consistent and widely-known set of rules. The Left's religion has no systematic theology, it's just whatever the left happens to believe that day.

Perhaps that's because it's a religion without a god. Or, perhaps that it's because the religion itself is their god, like Leninism, Stalinism, Maoism etc.

Posted by: 29Victor at August 28, 2020 04:21 PM (BJKQV)

360 We had some good friends who we often dined out with. Then we found out that the husband lingered behind so as to steal the tip we'd left on the table.
We couldn't have anything to do with either one of them ever again--its a defining moment I think it's kind of the same principle
Posted by: artemis at August 28, 2020 04:17 PM (AwPyG)

Damn! Now that is a cheap bastard.

I had a ex-friend who always wanted to "split" a dinner with his old lady when we went out to eat because "it was too much food" or "she doesn't eat a lot".

He was just a cheap prick.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 28, 2020 04:21 PM (Z+IKu)

361 I dont want to come across as a person whos really interested in football(anymore), but man does Outkick have a great series of articles on the site that detail the meltdown and complete political clusterfokk that is the Big 10 and their commish... sorta offtopic but not really.

Having a dislike for 90%+ of the adults who play with balls and their organizers is starting to get really easy

Posted by: THE Lonebadger at August 28, 2020 04:21 PM (lIDCz)

362 What is it about mediocre QBs that turns them into idiot politicians?

Posted by: Regular joe at August 28, 2020 04:21 PM (L9P9s)

363 I won't friend leftists on Facebook. I tell them it's because I don't want to hate them.

Posted by: dagny, first of her name at August 28, 2020 04:21 PM (ySQBZ)

364 grown men riding skateboards, or walking around with their shirts off. Or both.

Posted by: artemis at August 28, 2020 04:21 PM (AwPyG)

365 It's the racist white Left that has turned many African Americans into anti-Americans. Decades of propaganda and the destruction of the family was their communist plan from the start.

It does make me feel good that many African Americans are also telling the left to fuck off.

Posted by: Weaning is hard at August 28, 2020 04:21 PM (2DOZq)

366 So, yes. I'm open to changing my mind as circumstances and evidence present themselves. I really don't think that's the case with the Leftists that I know, however.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at August 28, 2020 04:16 PM (6xA3t)

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I think the same thing about all your examples.

Posted by: Seems Legit at August 28, 2020 04:22 PM (jUVms)

367 BREAKING: 6 mayors in historically Democrat strongholds on the Iron Range of Minnesota announce their support for President Trump

Oopty.

Posted by: DNC at August 28, 2020 04:22 PM (v0R5T)

368 I've been done with the lefty progtards for a long time now. Doesn't matter which sex they are. I'm outright nasty rude to them. I just don't GAF anymore. I told a woman in the grocery store to shut the eff up or I'd rip bra off and choke her to death should one more TDS white priviledge statment exit her top asshole.

Most of them can tell i'm real close to proving how anti nazi and fed up i am with their lefty ways. The only one that couldn't was pulled back by her husband when i told him i'd kick her ass after i dropped him to the curb.

Posted by: BifBewalski at August 28, 2020 04:22 PM (VcFUs)

369
*runs in waving hands frantically*

NOOOOOOD!!!

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 28, 2020 04:22 PM (mht8P)

370 The dirty secret about professional sports is that the culture is changing so fast that most will die off on their own in a few decades. When I was in my twenties I spent most of my free time playing ball, chasing skirts and drinking. I played on three different slo-pitch leagues in the summer. Now you're lucky to see a town of 10,000 in my area field enough teams to have a decent league. That reflects in fandom of sports.
Don't believe me, NASCAR has been dying for years and it had nothing to with being woke, it will be over in five years, count on it.

Posted by: lowandslow at August 28, 2020 04:22 PM (qH6FZ)

371 340 Ripley I agree, Leftist will keep toting the line until it's Venezuela and they won't know how they got there and never moved.

Posted by: Skip at August 28, 2020 04:22 PM (OjZpE)

372 @361
Clay Travis. The lone defender of college football, and getting famous because of it.

Posted by: artemis at August 28, 2020 04:23 PM (AwPyG)

373 I struggle with this.

There are a number of people who I have considered close friends, but I simply can't understand how they can have the political views they have. The BLM knee-jerk acceptance they all whites (including themselves) as racist was a literal shock to me.

I have spent the last 5 months disengaging from a lot of people, hoping that maybe after the election is over we can get back in touch. But I doubt that it is possible. I fear that that something in their psyche will break when Trump wins again. They seem to be clinging to the hope that 2016 was an aberration. OrangeManBad winning again will fracture them, and they won't have a path back that lets them be friends with a Trump supporter ever.

This is one of the big reasons that I (and I suspect many others) won't put up signs or bumperstickers or public posts on Facebook. We want to be able to have relationships with people we have valued in the past, and don't want to burn bridges. But these days, they probably know where I stand anyway, because I won't publicly profess my subjugation to BLM.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 28, 2020 04:23 PM (5p7BC)

374 The numbers COULD be bad news for us unless,, say, people didn't like what they saw from Biden, in which case a flattening or trough in his polling numbers would show up.

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No it means people on our side were more likely to watch via streaming or c-span which they conveniently dont count just to avoid Wallaces smug fucking scruffy piss face, and the constant and I mean CONSTANT interruptions.

I watched either via OAN or C-Span and I am sure millions did the same

Posted by: Two Weeks From Being The Flags Behind Ivanka at August 28, 2020 04:23 PM (+dsLj)

375 If they had let up--and Pelosi and Schumer had tried to work with him, the Union would be in a much beyter place today.
Posted by: JoeF. at August 28, 2020 04:10 PM (7ixfo)

Forget Hillary, Pelosi and Schumer - I lay all this at the feet of Al Gore.

Nixon knew very well that the 1960 election was stolen from him, but for the good of the country he held his fire.

Al Gore, on the basis of nothing, torched a long-standing tradition of respecting the results on Election Night, and put us on this path 20 years ago.

He doesn't get nearly as much opprobrium as he deserves. For that, and for mainstreaming the Climate Change Hysteria.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at August 28, 2020 04:23 PM (6xA3t)

376 I have plenty of Dem friends, mostly left of center, no real whacked out commie types. Majority of them union workers, who are voting to protect that. The NYPD endorsement gave them excellent cover; they're no longer worried Trump will take their pensions ( I have no idea where that came from) and I believe they'll vote Trump in November.

But even if they don't, I love them, and nothing will change that.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at August 28, 2020 04:23 PM (k5/9b)

377 I'm glad you're here Marcus - you are a quality dude and fight the good fight even when it gets weird around here.

Posted by: Heart of Darkness at August 28, 2020 04:23 PM (nFRLh)

378 I realized because of the media today you only have two options: be uninformed or misinformed.

Posted by: Two Weeks From Being The Flags Behind Ivanka at August 28, 2020 04:15 PM (+dsLj)

Will Rogers, is that you?

Posted by: Count de Monet at August 28, 2020 04:23 PM (DLzZd)

379 So, yes. I'm open to changing my mind as circumstances and evidence present themselves. I really don't think that's the case with the Leftists that I know, however.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at August 28, 2020 04:16 PM (6xA3t)

Conservatives try to make their Perception, mesh with Reality. We will change our minds.

The other side, tries to change objective reality, into what they want to perceive.

Exhibit 1? Global Warming. They literally went back and CHANGED historic temperature records, when the actual data did not fit their desired outcome.

Exhibit 2? Covid. Tests are not accurate. Deaths are attributed to it without it being the cause of death. And they PUT Seniors into harms way by forcing them into nursing homes who were to equipped to handle Isolating Patients. Literally CREATED the pandemic.

Michael Chritton, years ago, wrote 'State of Fear' about using false data, to create a panic, to gain power.

He was NOT prophetic, he just recognized it early.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 28, 2020 04:24 PM (NgKpN)

380 OMG whichever one of you morons tipped me off to ammoseek this morning? THAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNKKKKKKKK YOOOOOOOUUUUUU! $4k later and I'm feeling reasonably back to par.

Also - WTF is 'based' or 'basedness'? I've been reading this for a while and just assumed someone forgot the 'i' in biased. Apparently, I'm the dumb one. Well, not terribly off the mark, but that isn't the issue. Help a brotha out. Thank you. I'll hang up and listen for my answer.

Posted by: Abiss at August 28, 2020 04:24 PM (Y8DtA)

381 Across CNN, ABC, CBS, Fox News, MSNBC, & NBC, ~14.1 million watched Trump's acceptance speech. Vice President Biden's speech at the DNC had 17.5 million, a delta of more than 3 million

If a mainstream source reported that, then I KNOW it is deceptive, misleading, or a straight-up lie. That's my starting point.

Posted by: t-bird at August 28, 2020 04:24 PM (ELgVT)

382
Speaking of Crichton, CNN did a puff piece on our company in the past year.


Way back in the day, our company wanted to film some work we were doing on small scale aqueous solution polymerization to produce polyacrylonitrile copolymers. Fine. Day comes for the filming and the recording crew comes into our lab, looks at our setup -- reagent vessels, the reactor, and the filtration system -- and asks, "Where are the chemicals?" "Here, here, and here," we said. "No. Why aren't they colored?" was the rejoinder. Matters went downhill from there and I do not recall whether anything ultimately was filmed.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 28, 2020 04:24 PM (pNxlR)

383 Yeah, it's hard to see how one can coexist with people who seriously think that black people are at significant risk of getting shot by the cops, as opposed to other black people. Over four hundred black people have been killed in Chicago this year - I believe that not a single black person has been killed by the cops.

When you take Lebron James seriously when he says is scared to leave his house, lest he be the subject of random violence from white people.

When you think that it is prima-facie evidence of racism when the people the Portland cops have arrested at the riots are 11% black, when Portland is only 6% black.

When you think that I don't own the land under my house, because it is "stolen land".

When you say that Trump is literally Hitler, when you don't live in the slightest fear of the 2 AM knock at the door.

And on, and on, and on.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 28, 2020 04:24 PM (I2/tG)

384 302 Instituting Wodin's Day would be the progressive thing to do. On Wodin's Day you can kill anyone you want as long as you do it with a Viking Ax. No questions asked. You will find Wodin's Day will make the population much more polite.
Posted by: Puddin Head at August 28, 2020 04:06 PM

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What happens if I don't want to kill anyone and someone wants to kill me with an axe? Am I allowed to defend my person with an AR guilt free? If so, I'm in!
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Then the ruling SOP stands. If a white defends themselves with a scary weapon with a thing that flips up (unlike a Viking Ax) you will be punished by the process. Best to buy a shield and get yourself a quality Viking Ax.

Posted by: Puddin Head at August 28, 2020 04:24 PM (DQQq8)

385 @269 SMFH-Only thing I can suggest its to separate and compartmentalize that situation. It's heartbreaking I know but don't let it bring you down and rule your life. Continue to be the better person, make it known the door is always open to her. It may take some time and she'll wear herself out with her anger. Maybe she'll never come around so be prepared for that too. I'm sure you have some good things you are surrounded with to dwell in. Focus on that and hope n pray for the best with your daughter. Maybe you already know this stuff but it doesn't hurt to hear it again. : )

Posted by: JROD at August 28, 2020 04:24 PM (0jZnq)

386 348 A good friend convinced me about 15 years ago, that Democrats are evil.


I went through that phase. Now, I know that the vast majority are simply ignorant and gullible.

However, it is very true there is a hard core who know what they're doing and they are evil.

Posted by: jwest at August 28, 2020 04:25 PM (/BlEx)

387 Clay Travis. The lone defender of college football, and getting famous because of it.

Love that guy

Posted by: THE Lonebadger at August 28, 2020 04:25 PM (lIDCz)

388 When I see young men in their 20's on skateboards wearing backpacks, I see overgrown adolescents.
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The one I dislike and see often is 30+ year old men in office settings using backpacks.
Posted by: Charles Darwin - The median COVID-19 age of death is older than the current male lifespan at August 28, 2020 04:13 PM (C1ewN)

The ones on two-wheeled scooters slay me.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 28, 2020


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What gets me are the 20+ young men coming for job interviews. They have a suit and tie on, yes, even though they are modern suits which look too tight and small, as if they are wearing their little brothers' communion suits. Graduate students can't really go vintage or have a custom suit made. Okay.

But they carry their materials in a f'ing backpack. Not a briefcase -- and you can get a nice-looking vintage lawyer's briefcase for cheap on eBay, and it would hold a laptop and its accessories. Oh, no. A backpack which distorts and crumples their suit coats and looks ridiculous.

Gah.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at August 28, 2020 04:25 PM (Ejm1K)

389 I think it was somewhere around 1979-80 when i finally realized (and i was a teenager then) that the Left didn't care if Russia bombed us to ash as long as they were in charge of the ash when it was over. I've seen nothing since then that would change that opinion.

Cognitive dissonance eventually drives you mad and the Left is proof positive. In eight months we've seen them demand that armed Americans protesting peacefully against gun control be rounded up and killed if need be while a few months later they're demanding the police be disbanded.

This is not a political party. It's a cult who would reenact Jonestown were it not for their crippling lack of a work ethic.

Posted by: Azathoth at August 28, 2020 04:25 PM (p+Nix)

390 Free, Based, or Free-Based ... I only know what one of these means.

Posted by: ShainS at August 28, 2020 04:25 PM (AIcDk)

391 And Coleman's example are far above the norm, in some sense. Actually educated, actually intelligent thinking people who are unable to think seriously about "politics".

Most people have the vaguest idea of how anything actually works, and are packed to varying degrees with outlandish bigotries and mythology that substitutes for experience or understanding.

I've got decades of diverting/avoiding/disengaging on "politics", it's been the norm most of my life, at least with a whole portion of the people in it. They have a cartoonish, MSM/NPR understanding of the world, and zero direct experience in anything of importance on the public side. Discussing a policy issue with them would be like discussing quantum theory with a hamster.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 28, 2020 04:26 PM (OTzUX)

392
And here I thought it only justified my disposition to avoid paying retail.
Posted by: garrett at August 28, 2020 04:14 PM (dVEVU)


I was not aware you were Jewish.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at August 28, 2020 04:26 PM (sy5kK)

393 We saw the same thing in 68. Most of that generation was not in the streets keeping it real. The majority of that generation was pursuing their life sans 'political agitation'. The same is happening now. The Dem Wizards thought recreating 68 would brand them with another generation. There will be a brand and it will be spelled LOSER just like it did in 68.
Posted by: Puddin Head

I think the silent majority's backlash will be bigger this time. much bigger. these guys are even bigger assholes than the hippes and Biden is a fucking retard.

Posted by: x at August 28, 2020 04:26 PM (nFwvY)

394 And I'm not saying that because I don't want to be the only Conservative guy out there in Spandex.
Posted by: garrett at August 28, 2020 04:20 PM (5kNIi

Do you wear crocs with your spandex?

Posted by: Weaning is hard at August 28, 2020 04:26 PM (2DOZq)

395 I believe DNC had 3 million more viewers... on the NETWORKS.

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Hippies don't watch.CSPAN. Five letters. That's too many for them.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at August 28, 2020 04:27 PM (+y/Ru)

396 The problem here is who Ron interacts with or used to want to interact with...lawyers and academics. These are the true believers - marinated in lefty politics and propaganda.

There is an old story that went around after the Soviets fell from power, one that suggested that a lot of the citizenry still cheated and stole or connived for food and sustenance even though the stores became able to provide more and you didn't need to resort to these tactics to eat. They had become irrevocably Sovietized - conditioned. The left has its base, and it will never change its mind - it will need to die off, just like the old Soviets did.

Posted by: Boswell at August 28, 2020 04:28 PM (w2LAm)

397 [snip]

This is not a political party. It's a cult who would reenact Jonestown were it not for their crippling lack of a work ethic.

Posted by: Azathoth at August 28, 2020 04:25 PM (p+Nix)

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Well said. Imagine the irreversible damage that DogEater could have done had he not been a lazy mediocrity obsessed with his own reflection.

Posted by: ShainS at August 28, 2020 04:29 PM (AIcDk)

398 Darrell Harris, spot on (as usual) about Gore.

The traditional peaceful/willing transfer of power ended in 2000, and it was entirely one-sided, bad-faith, crude, and outrageous - and obviously so, including at the time.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 28, 2020 04:30 PM (OTzUX)

399 Mrs. Helmet, who's part of like a thousand WineMom Facebook groups

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Its a girl thing - she wants to not be ostracized in her girl groups. Don't know how you fix that. I have never been so afflicted. That said, if allegiance to the hive is what is required then her "friends" aren't really friends.

Posted by: Piratepatch at August 28, 2020 04:30 PM (jHjyc)

400 11 Thanks for that mental image from the end of last thread. Bea Arthur. *shudder*
Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 28, 2020 03:36 PM (A5zUN)

Bea Arthur? Out-standing.

Posted by: Judd Nelson at August 28, 2020 04:31 PM (H3MF8)

401 The culture war is as much a war of myths, and their associated symbols. The left wants to tear down the myths associated with the "American" tribe so as to replace them with its own myths. But the technocrats, globalists, and bureaucrats who make up neoliberalism are so psychologically off-balance, so out of touch with some of the more primitive parts of their psyches, that those parts come crashing back in ugly new forms. Hence, the BLM riots we see today, which operate more like religious rituals. Or, the obsession with somehow transforming one's identity from man to woman or to something altogether different. Or, the bizarre views towards sex which turn it into some sort of strange ritual.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at August 28, 2020 03:57 PM (SgjGX)


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Pretty telling how they reimagined the flag for part of the back drop of their convention. Their subconscious leaking.

Posted by: Greange at August 28, 2020 04:31 PM (aAePe)

402 I have spent the last 5 months disengaging from a lot of people, hoping that maybe after the election is over we can get back in touch. But I doubt that it is possible. I fear that that something in their psyche will break when Trump wins again. . . .

Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 28, 2020


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Our writing group lost a long-time and very useful member in Sept. of '16. She was a rabid Hillaryite. Suddenly we men in the group, who had always been valued colleagues before, were misogynists because we were suggesting that HRC was not really qualified (and in my case, that HRC was an unindicted criminal. I didn't bring up the topic, she did, but I wasn't going to back down).

She decided to "take a break" from the group, and has never gotten in touch with us since.

On one hand, it was a loss. (I admit she usually liked my submissions, and had useful comments to improve my work.) On the political side, no loss at all.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at August 28, 2020 04:31 PM (Ejm1K)

403 Sadly, my wife is nearing this point in her relationship with her BFF. A friendship the started in 1973.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 28, 2020 04:32 PM (yQpMk)

404 Boswell, of all the memorable things/events from years spent in the former Soviet republics soon after the collapse of glorious Soviet power, one that stands out was a local employee of an American NGO we were funding to provide transitional assistance who stood up at a sort of townhall-like meeting and said "thank you for teaching us how to work".

This was a woman who probably had multiple graduate degrees in science and engineering (not kidding).

Savor that one.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 28, 2020 04:32 PM (OTzUX)

405 I've come to believe divorce is impossible. The Tricky Ds have promised 100% of the power to their backers who will not settle for 50 cents on the dollar. They'd rather have 100% half the time then 50% all the time because their 'half the time' is on offense and our 'half the time' is on defense.

Posted by: East Bay Jay at August 28, 2020 04:32 PM (Lg/Uq)

406 you cannot reason with unreasonable people.

Posted by: redc1c4 at August 28, 2020 04:32 PM (KEX6Y)

407 That's a YES!!!!
Posted by: ... at August 28, 2020 04:13 PM (FLkk2)

Honestly, I think the people who are capable of changing their votes are the ones who live more conservatively than they vote - like my hairdresser. She works hard, saves, thinks America is great, has a husband from Mexico who came here legally and opposes illegal immigration - but she grew up Dem and voted Dem because she thought they were "nice" and "compassionate."

It is so clear now that the Dems are neither - that they don't give a shit about her business or livelihood or about the lives of black people who are not killed by white cops - that eyes are being opened. How many? We'll find out in November.

But I thought that segment of former Dems who had walked away from the D Party was effective.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V at August 28, 2020 04:33 PM (HabA/)

408 I keep thinking about the lady in the diner who was bullied and harangued by the masked harpies because the lady wouldn't raise her fist in the manner of a a Communist. "But I was marching with you for weeks" was the victim's reply. That didn't matter one whit. Submit yesterday, submit today, submit forever is their ... credo. Now, how does the victim respond to her "friends" on FB and the other social media portals. Her friends know who she is from the video. What are they telling her?

Posted by: mrp at August 28, 2020 04:33 PM (Pqytn)

409 YES! from Russia gate to stolen mailboxes to white
supremists are the reason for violence in the riots (boogaloos). They
accuse the right of sounding nuts for things there is real data backing
and then spout some crazy thing that has no evidentiary support.

Posted by: Piratepatch at August 28, 2020 04:00 PM (jHjyc)

Stolen mailboxes are so last week.

Posted by: Mikey NTH -Convention Specials! Scalp Weasel Grooming Products 25% at The Outrage Outlet! at August 28, 2020 04:34 PM (E8fen)

410 Mr. Milky Loads Power Glutes Palin Conspiracist seems newly almost based. Check Hot Air for the link to Andrew's thoughts.

Posted by: Based at August 28, 2020 04:35 PM (gtKRu)

411 214 I wish the solution for leftists who hate the country was to leave the country.
--
That's the joke - every other country in the world its INCREDIBLY hard to just move there and become a citizen without internal help or desire (I.E., work skills). Even marriage isn't a sure thing for a lot of European countries either. A lot of the idiot leftzoids found that out in 2016 the hard way when they swore they'd just move tho Canada and found out no, it doesn't work that way and they don't want you.
Why we should be the only country in the entire world that should take every single person that walks across our southern border is nothing short of madness.

Posted by: Gaff at August 28, 2020 04:35 PM (VtiCX)

412 Noodles.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 28, 2020 04:36 PM (OTzUX)

413 Discussing a policy issue with them would be like discussing quantum theory with a hamster.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 28, 2020 04:26 PM (OTzUX)

___________


In the Schrodinger's Hamster thought exercise, there's a 50% chance it's spelled Hampster.

Posted by: ShainS at August 28, 2020 04:36 PM (AIcDk)

414 403 Sadly, my wife is nearing this point in her relationship with her BFF. A friendship the started in 1973.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 28, 2020 04:32 PM (yQpMk)

That's horrible.

Posted by: 29Victor at August 28, 2020 04:37 PM (BJKQV)

415 "Always tells me, with sadness in his voice, that he got the best of
America and that he is sad that it did not last."

Yes, I wonder if there was something I could have done to stopped it. As an individual, it's way above my pay grade. And reading more history, the seeds were planted before I was born.

Posted by: goodluckduck at August 28, 2020 04:37 PM (Ke8GZ)

416 J West,
Is ignorance a third category? Good, evil, ignorant? I think ignorant is a motivation to choose the side of evil.

Posted by: Fra Filippo at August 28, 2020 04:38 PM (WH8+k)

417 A bunch of enlightened men in wigs told me I can say what I want when I want.

Fuck these people.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 28, 2020 04:40 PM (QBLfJ)

418 That's horrible.

Yes, it is. We were all hippies together back in the day and while I was always anti-communist, they were always a bit red. But we loved each other. Her husband, who was my friend, died of a brain tumor five years ago. This has driven her around the bend. They were both teachers, she already retired, he about to. She was cheated of the life she imagined for themselves in retirement with her wonderful husband, and was a wonderful person, and she blames God and, apparently, the Republican Party.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 28, 2020 04:43 PM (yQpMk)

419 175 All British officers had to denounce "Popish superstition," in Catholic countries they had to prove their alegiance to the Church.

Or segregation in the US military,schools etc.

Posted by: banjo fundamentalist at August 28, 2020 04:43 PM (EcUWm)

420 won't publicly profess my subjugation

@@@@

They know already because of your silence, no mater what the liberal theme. In tribe liberal you must repeat the hive approved talking points - it's a reflex and how you identify each other and mirror each other. It pisses them off if you take the hive talking point seriously as a topic of conversation.

Posted by: Piratepatch at August 28, 2020 04:44 PM (jHjyc)

421 There were warning signs. I myself being a reformed never Trumper. When after the election, the "reasonable" people who demanded after Obama's election, that for the time being, and in deference to a peaceful transfer of power, that we lay the campaign aside and take a look at the Obama presidency with fresh eyes, and no prejudices based on his campaign. In other words, let him actually govern first, with some benefit of the doubt, before we went into epic oppose mode.

These same voices that urged that end for an avowed political opponent, were first in line to not extend the same benefit to Trump in the days following the election. That's when I realized how bad a mistake I had made, and the extent (meaning the number of people I had trusted) I had been lied to.

Slowly TDS started to claim people I knew and respected. His politics for what I can see was a good cable length shy of really conservative, putting him at a "RIGHT-CENTER" position. Yet he was decried as being reactionary. I liked the phrase I heard here, "Extreme Moderate" which I think describes Trump the best. Yet despite being only moderately conservative in political inclination the TDS made people act like he was the worst thing to happen to the US, all the while I am surprisingly happy with his actual choices made in office.

I quickly grew away from the Never Trump mindset. But the trail of division did not stop. The left became outright communist, the non-Trump right became outright socialist, leaving a Constitutional Conservative in a lurch. How much longer could ideologies totally foreign and adverse to the concept of a Constitutional Republic be borne by the same? I started seriously to question the future of the nation, whether it could go on.

My Epiphany so to speak came with Kaepernik. Not that he did it, stupid people do stupid things, but how the left rejoiced in it and how soon the "appropriateness" of it became an essential value to the left. Sports in general and the national anthem in particular are items that unify as one people, one country, transcendent of politics, cultural touch points that put peoples with opposing political views and even ideologies together as a single people. The politicization of sports being bad, but the politicization of the anthem, a last vestige where we openly gesture that we are one people, one country, now being divided in politics was the death knell.

If a people are unwilling to make even a vestigial gesture that they are a single united people, then....they aren't. When the left fully embraced the new norm of politicizing the anthem, I knew then, there was no future of a free unified United States. Either the free or unified was going to have to go at some point in the next few years.

If you can no longer look your political opponents in the eye and see a good person, a countryman, with whom you share political bonds as much as differences, working together in good faith for a better country, once that is gone, it's only a matter of time before separation, or war begins.

Posted by: mikethemoose at August 28, 2020 04:46 PM (Y6UV7)

422 Consider that destroying America, our society, and our culture iar what the Progressive Marxists want. Letting them do what they are doing, is a win for them. Responding how many on the right want to, is a win for them. Even if they lose a "civil war", they have still won.

We need a solution where they lose.

Posted by: Wodun at August 28, 2020 04:49 PM (NDlpU)

423 If that asshat in Las Vegas had decided to mow down Antifa now, instead of country music fans then, I wouldn't give a shit.

The only thing that would bother me is the gun control bullshit that would ensue.

It's like the Left has robbed me of my soul.

Posted by: George Will's Punchable Face at August 28, 2020 04:49 PM (6MoD2)

424 "...observation from a British Lady."

Hey, she is terrific!

Posted by: attila the reasonable at August 28, 2020 04:55 PM (w7KSn)

425 "Always tells me, with sadness in his voice, that he got the best of
America and that he is sad that it did not last."

Yes, I wonder if there was something I could have done to stopped it. As an individual, it's way above my pay grade. And reading more history, the seeds were planted before I was born.
Posted by: goodluckduck at August 28, 2020 04:37 PM (Ke8GZ)

The Boomers produced the Millennials, and Gen X (my generation) produced Generation Tide Pod. We all bare some responsibility, though the odds were stacked against us due to neo-Marxist domination of the institutions of cultural transmission. In the end, too many of us thought that American Exceptionalism was an eternal entitlement, not something we had to continuously fight for.

What's done is done, now we have to resist subjugation to domestic enemies and then create something worthwhile out of the ashes of the greatest country to ever exist.

Posted by: lowtech redneck at August 28, 2020 04:56 PM (hfClf)

426 Our friends have taken to worshiping strange gods that our fathers never knew.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 28, 2020 04:59 PM (yQpMk)

427 Was kicked off my site blog at RedState for stating that we should consider contingencies for a national divorce. They said they would give a warning, but I had written so much about it they just Canceled me. This was Eric The Blob Ericsons Ref State at the time.

I was thrilled when Ace started saying the same thing.

Now, I no longer believe it is possible. My wife is from the former Yugoslavia. She has told me what happened there and how she is seeing that happen here. We have years, if not less, before they will begin their assault.

I think it will happen in November, if they lose. Mid 2021 if they win.

Kurt Schlichter was a prophet. Damn him.

Posted by: Dr Strangelove or How I Learned to Love Da Bomb at August 28, 2020 05:08 PM (vC3EV)

428 I followed Pro Sports fanatically six the mid '60s.
I dumped them all 5 years ago.
It was the sports 'media'.
And this lawyer should have broken with these libs A LONG TIME AGO.
You can't fix those mental cases without an Exorcist.

Posted by: ontherocks at August 28, 2020 05:09 PM (7B0fG)

429 I've realized since Trump's election that the left wants us enslaved or dead.

Is that leveling up in basedness?


Posted by: Venus at August 28, 2020 05:14 PM (iYXhj)

430 If anybody gets a proper epiphany, he is no longer a conservative.

Conservatives are losers. And cucks. Every 5 years they adopt the liberals ideas that have aged 5 years. Conservatives are liberals in slow motion. If you like to lose, and like to lose often, then do go ahead and proudly state your conservative bona fides.

See Charlie Kirk running around with queers and drag queens and calling it "conservative" Conservatives can't even "conserve" little girls' bathrooms.

I've been driven to Fascism. There is no other way of saving this republic from the dark hordes who demand I bend my knee and give them my house, even while they've been draining our treasury since Hart-Celler Act of 1965. Wait - you don't know what that is?

I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you.

Posted by: ThatGuyKindaHasAPoint at August 28, 2020 05:16 PM (Y7Z0Z)

431 I spoke to two new yorker that, by demographics, would be the second least likely people to vote for Trump. It could only be worse if they were black. Epiphanies are everywhere. They are both voting for Trump along with many of their social group. They are intelligent enough to realize the left hate never ends. It will eventually turn to them.

Posted by: MadMike at August 28, 2020 05:16 PM (kg5oh)

432 If we had pushed back as hard as we were pushed a long time ago, it might have erupted into civil war even back then. Then again, it might have resolved peacefully. We thought since we were the adults in the room it was up to us to stay composed and maintain peace. Foolish us. We now are in a position where we either continue to be pushed to the point of surrender or we refuse and war erupts without prospect of peace.

I think one of the one of the reasons Trump is so hated is the Left knew he might represent the end of them being able to push without a conflagration. So did the Never Trumpers who surrendered a long time back.

While no one can say for certain, it is likely now Trump will be reelected and the results will not be honored. So we either will join with Never Trump or war ensues. It is horrible.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at August 28, 2020 05:18 PM (C8CEK)

433 This brought us to the American Pelopennisian War of City States that we are enjoying today. That and Wilson was a fuck up who couldn't keep his interventionist dick out of Europe.
Posted by: Puddin Head


Oh, if Teddy had been President in 1914, he would have gotten the US into WWI (The Great War) asap. He wanted to get into it. He knew Germany and German culture very well (he spoke passingly good German and had lived in Germany as a teen ager).
He wanted to fight the Hun.

There was a lot to admire about Teddy, but he did set the pattern for the aggressive modern 20th Century Big State.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....living on the prison planet at August 28, 2020 05:19 PM (vcOmj)

434 Oh, totally FUCK this bullshit about this country being no longer viable.

The country's bedrock is yet solid as ever--all that which made us exceptional is unchanged--the Bill of Rights, the Constitution, and especially our form of government--the most unique in history--ALL of it is there.

Our problem is the filth laid on it by the left obscures and prevents it's proper function.

Cleanse that filth and smash the left into oblivion and the bulk of the problems will disappear.

But falsely conceding defeat at the outset will be self fulfilling.

I wore the uniform and took that oath as so many others have done so fulfilling it would be a good legacy to leave.I mean to do just that, however it works out.

Posted by: irongrampa at August 28, 2020 05:19 PM (KATBx)

435 And that Palin did indeed say she could see Russia from her house.
Posted by: Count de Monet


That was that idiot comedian Tina Fay, playing Sarah Palin on SNL.

People are constantly confused by the fantasy images on TV versus reality.
Facebook, Twitter, social media tend to reinforce the fantasy aspects of life as portrayed on TV and in movies.
Just saying something doesn't make it so, no matter how often you repeat it.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....living on the prison planet at August 28, 2020 05:23 PM (vcOmj)

436 Modern-day liberals are laboring under a lot of cognitive dissonance; while hard-left anarcho-totalitarian freak-a-zoids often seem much happier and at peace with themselves, actually.

This isn't new. I noticed it all the time growing up in what is arguably the home base of airhead, knee-jerk, mass-broadcast liberalism, western Los Angeles.

Conservatives can be ignorant of reality too. It comes from the environment you place yourself in. I remember thinking the 2003 Iraq War was probably a good idea, on balance. It was just a value judgment, not empirically found. So, the good news is judgment of values can be refined over time, I guess?

Posted by: Swamposphere at August 28, 2020 05:28 PM (lPDqu)

437 OK, "mass-broadcast" is probably a redundancy of terms. Or as I like to call it: "super-denotative"

Posted by: Swamposphere at August 28, 2020 05:29 PM (lPDqu)

438 The tragic irony is that all these woke leftists screaming about Trump and his supporters being nazis are in fact the ones acting and thinking like lock-step fascists. Trump is their version of the Orwell's Goldstein for the 2 Minute Hate.

But leftists, no matter how many certifications or tenured positions or other elitist self-approbations, don't have the wisdom to realize how stupidly insane they are.

Posted by: Pete at August 28, 2020 05:37 PM (ZW8ty)

439 My epiphany was last September, when they started calling us terrorists. One of my friends said he felt safer around ghetto thugs than around MAGAs. (that's a guy whose kids have been attacked TWICE, with guns, by ghetto thugs, BTW.) My other friends were too stupid to notice or care what's going on. And I realized that I didn't want to be around any of my "friends" anymore.

Since then, I simply don't engage with people IRL at all, except for purely transactional people like cashiers. I told ALL my friends to fuck off, and turned into a complete hermit.

So for eleven months, it's just me, my cats, the internet, and ham radio (digital modes only; no conversations.) Only one other person has been in my home in all that time, an old friend who dropped in by surprise; but he is so mentally damaged (literally demented; don't ask) that within twenty minutes, he realized he wasn't welcome and left.

It's only going to get worse, no matter who wins 2020.

BTW, thanks Ace for condensing Coleman's thread from those god-awful Twitter boxes.

Posted by: gp, All Wrapped Up In His Own Private Idaho at August 28, 2020 06:00 PM (qpX6U)

440 I am a Level 99 Paladin this point.
I just wish I could afford more guns, ammo, and MREs.

Posted by: Nom de Blog at August 28, 2020 06:00 PM (u+FWu)

441 I'm stunned Ron finds this to be an epiphany. He's a literal genius. I do not mean that at all facetiously. Huge brain. But, like, I'm an average dude and I understood and accepted this years ago. I'm not sure what the tipping point was, maybe it was the 60s and we just got a brief stay, maybe it was 08, but it was certainly before 16. I remember being physically kicked--not to be funny but in anger--by a woman in a bar when I told her I was voting W. And that was socially acceptable in that time and place, her friends restrained her but everyone just shrugged it off. I laughed about it and still don't really care except as a demonstrative regarding the duration of deranged behavior toward those who fail to support the progressive candidate. Weird time to be alive man.

Posted by: Based Mute at August 28, 2020 06:02 PM (7CyhL)

442 "What has really hurt me was losing the church I went to, but that was four years ago. I woke up post election and had to listen to the vitriol of TDS from fellow choir members, the choir director, the priest - it was just horrible. So I left. But God is faithful, because now my husband is attending church with me for the first time in 26 years of marriage! Now we are searching for a new church, since COVID has basically shut down the one we were attending."

Satrose if you are still around, and if I understand correctly that you are Catholic, I cannot recommend either a Traditional Latin Mass (TLM) parish if one is in your area, and failing that an eastern Catholic parish like a Maronite, Ukrainian, or Ruthenian rite church. The latter vary in quality, as do TLM parishes, and I know many people find the Latin alien or impenetrable but it grows on almost everyone quickly. TLM parishes tend to be overwhelmingly conservative. Plus, you almost invariably get catechesis/faith formation of a quality you've never remotely experienced anywhere else and almost all TLM parishes have remained open in spite of COVID. If you're looking for support in your faith look up sermons by Fr. Phil Wolfe on Youtube.

For Catholics, the TLM is the ultimate leveling up to being based. It's just what our Holy Mother Church practiced for over 1500 years.

Posted by: Tantumblogo at August 28, 2020 06:11 PM (K1Wjq)

443 [Anybody] "...Has an Epiphany..?"

To be honest I never needed to have one. I was a Liberal in the '60s and noticed a change in what is considered today 'Classical Liberalism'. What we have here today is 'Classical Facism' of the Marxist style - ala Orwell's 1984 variety. I've always knew down the road Liberals where heading for a car pileup. Only the weak among them will remain and they will finally have the "Epiphany" when they come for them and their families.

Posted by: hstad at August 28, 2020 06:17 PM (5EXoz)

444 Is "based" short for "reality-based"? If so, that was the way I was brought up, and still am.

Posted by: empire 1 at August 28, 2020 06:18 PM (vluYu)

445 Not too worried about friends. I am sick of dealing with relatives on the left. Mostly it's on FB, weddings and funerals. But some in-laws whom Mrs. Bupkis likes to vacation with, are fun people but committed leftists who (1) can't refrain from talking politics and (2) can't imagine any reasonable person would disagree with them about anything. It isn't a nice way to spend a vacation.

Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis at August 28, 2020 06:20 PM (0V/8D)

446 For what it's worth, I realized how utterly doomed our country was back in about 2006. I used to comment here a lot back then, and I used to get a lot of shit from the other commenters for what I was saying.

Now most of the posts here sound vaguely like me, circa 2006.

Imagine where I'm at in 2020.

Posted by: BONE BROTH at August 28, 2020 06:31 PM (aLV7C)

447 There is no splitting the country in two. The left will never relent. They will continue attacking us and indoctrinating our future generations. They must be forced to live among us and be demoralized and boycotted into submission.

Posted by: Brisco_County_Sr at August 28, 2020 06:42 PM (DBPIP)

448 I don't see how we split because of geography.
- Cities maybe 80% Democratic
- Suburbs maybe 55% Democratic
- Rural areas 65% Republican?
How can you make that split?

I think we just have to fight it out politically and physically. If the Democrats keep acting crazy they drive people out of the cities and turn the country from 50/50 to maybe 55/45. Then Republicans make big gains and Democrats have to change if they want to stay in power. They can hold onto the cities without changing, but that will just force them into a narrower and narrower coalition and eventually they'll have to break and start acting sane.

I know you can't argue with them now. But if they lose and the media wants the Democrats back in power, they'll need to start being sensible. E.g., the NY Times presenting a somewhat truthful article about the shooting in Kenosha. If they want to, they can easily start steering the Democrats back to sanity.

Posted by: Dave at August 28, 2020 06:44 PM (mXUCw)

449 Uniball here. Wanted to see what was going on.
Purchased my first gun.

Posted by: Uniball at August 28, 2020 07:19 PM (vpPdH)

450 An 80 IQ run and jump and dance expert has a shit stupid take on American history? What are the odds of that?

Posted by: ccoffer at August 28, 2020 07:24 PM (78der)

451 The Coleman thread seriously depressed me. Although I follow him on Twitter, I didn't see this. He put into words in an infinitely more understandable way than what I was struggling with internally. We are no longer a UNITED States of America and never will be again.

Posted by: Chuck Boothe at August 28, 2020 07:31 PM (OVQoX)

452 I've been done for two years now. Once it was clear that they never had any intention of allowing Trump to govern. I've been seriously tired of having to conceal what I think for fear of losing friends... friends who are ignorant of what is really going on--and wouldn't change their mind even if confronted with irrefutable proof of the vacuity and disastrous failings of their beliefs.

I'm done and tired of having to argue about every f**king shitty little thing. They are TWANLOC. Let them go their own way. I will miss some of them, but not enough to forfeit my freedom or to accept their warped views of the world.

They took over my native CA and drove me out. Go ahead. Keep it, losers. When you want to come live with us again YOU WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO VOTE. If you want to vote, stay in Karlifornia-OR-WA. You no longer get to export your insanity.

Posted by: Lawrence L at August 28, 2020 07:56 PM (4MbOe)

453 I wish my wife would have an epiphany.

Posted by: 370H55V at August 28, 2020 08:39 PM (fslDK)

454 To paraphrase the late great John Paul Jones: We have not yet begun to fight.
America isn't dead. There are too many loyal daughters and sons of liberty willing to stand up to the mobs (and take up arms if necessary).
There's no power behind the rioters - look what happens every time someone stands up to them. They run. The cops move in and they tuck tail and run, screaming about their rights. Some private citizens stand up to them and what happens? The black-clad children get beat down and run out of town.

The looters are mostly opportunistic thieves who seize on a chance to grab armloads of whatever's available. They're common criminals and should be dealt with as such.
I don't understand why some of these people aren't being prosecuted under RICO statutes. I think they qualify.

Posted by: p-squared at August 28, 2020 09:16 PM (EoHHY)

455 Instead of a tattoo, read a book.

Posted by: Eve at August 28, 2020 09:35 PM (L5yo0)

456 Two different mainstream religions: Judeo-Christian (individual dignity, intrinsic value, disproportion worth) and the ostensibly "secular" Pro-Choice, selective, opportunistic, politically congruent ("=") religion ("ethics").

Posted by: n.n at August 28, 2020 10:37 PM (qfsFY)

457 Coleman's epiphany assumes that the people who purport to believe the bogus moral philosophy of intersectionality actually do believe it. I deny that assertion -- it is so irrational that no one with a brain in his head could ever believe it; its proponents are therefore all liars.

Posted by: jdgalt at August 28, 2020 11:16 PM (3SFo/)

458 I "leveled up" in 2009.

Posted by: Ned2 at August 29, 2020 10:57 AM (8Mz1D)

459 This is in answer to

gp, All Wrapped Up In His Own Private Idaho

I'm a ham, also. While I do understand the desire to completely go hermit, it's not generally a healthy thing for humans - we are, at our root, social creatures.

Not necessarily gregarious, but social. Try connecting in non-digital ways - voice on radio, in person at your local gun range, etc. If your church is too Left, find another one - they are around (if you are Catholic, like I am, you may have to find a TLM - Traditional Latin Mass).

At least, keep in touch here. And, try Parler.com - Ace of Spades is there, among others. SOME connection with social media - if not excessive - may help with the feeling of isolation.

Posted by: Linda S Fox at August 29, 2020 11:24 AM (HZfQV)

460 I leveled up when Lee Hamilton put Gorelick on the 9/11 commission. Clinton was just a grifter and pussy hound, like every other politician.

Posted by: Jean at August 30, 2020 12:45 PM (Xih1H)

461 The reason for that is simple. Thomas Jefferson told us all back in 1776.

"Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security"

Posted by: barney rubble at August 30, 2020 03:05 PM (D2wY0)

462 I would love to administer an 11th grade Advanced Placement (AP) U.S. History examination (and a basic geography lesson) to the ENTIRE NFL Corporation; players, coaches, GMs, Owners. ....

Then PUBLISH the RESULTS!

Posted by: Donovan Nuera at August 30, 2020 03:08 PM (iucaD)

463 I had the epiphany long ago, in a galaxy far far away. I was in grade 11 and my parents hosted a gathering for the local Conservative candidate in the upcoming election. I got into a discussion with 2 of the 'marketing/PR' guys for the candidate. They were shocked by some of the things I said about policy. It took them quite a while to realize that (to use a newer formulation) 'Attila the Hun is a wet'. (oh, I now retired. It was that long ago).

I have had, recently, however, different epiphany, regarding 'changing human nature'. Most of the outbursts and the reactions of the crazy left are the result of MALIGNANT NARCISSISM. And I, for one, am firmly convinced that that mental disorder was implanted /inculcated / caused by the teaching of moral relativism in school, coupled with 'feelings' and catch-phrases such as 'equality'.

If you believe that everything you think is "truth" and that you are *always correct* and *smarter* than everyone around you, then of course, any reaction to you, is violence. It is a closed cycle.

The 'educational establishment' has a lot to answer for, in respect of its malfeasances since the mid-70's.





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Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
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