Tom Cotton vs. the NYT's 1619 Project [KT]

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The Saving American History Act

On Monday, July 27, Tom Cotton introduced the Saving American History Act:

The bill will prohibit using federal funds to teach the 1619 Project by K-12 schools or school districts. Schools that teach the project will also be ineligible for federal professional-development grants.

The Secretaries of Education, Health and Human Services, and Agriculture would be required to allocate federal funding to schools that decide to teach the 1619 Project under the bill. This will be determined on how much it costs to plan and teach the course. Any federal funds intended for low-income students or special-needs students are not affected by this legislation.

The long knives have come out for Tom Cotton, but

Nikole Hannah-Jones has admitted that the 1619 Project Is Not History!


Oregon Muse picked up an exchange
between Nikole Hannah-Jones and Conor Friedersdorf from Monday afternoon:

"Behold the Power of a Fully Operational Motte & Bailey Defense"

Here's part of that defense:

I've said consistently that the 1619 Project is AN origin story, not THE origin story. Our intro says explicitly, what *would* it mean to consider 1619 our founding -- not that it IS our founding.

But Ms. Hannah-Jones (who seems to prefer to be known on Twitter as Ida Bae Welles,) had been trying to clarify her new position on the 1619 Project since Monday morning. Steven Hayward wondered if her Twitter handle might be a bit presumptuous as he wrote about her admission that the 1619 project is not history, in Schroedinger's 1619 Project?

Not a history"!! A "work of journalism"!? This, after slagging the many eminent U.S. historians (many of them mainline liberals like Sean Wilentz) with the usual slurs of being old, privileged white males after they called bullshit on the tendentious 1619 Project.

Is it or isn't it a history? Unlike Schroedinger's cat, we can confidently pronounce that the substance of the 1619 Project critique is definitely dead, no matter what kind of epistemological box you try to put it in.

When Twitter pounced on Hannah-Jones today, she kept shoveling deeper, oblivious of "Healey's First Law of Holes"--if you're in one, stop digging . .

The 1619 Project was just being used to inform cooking classes and such. Heh.

Legal Insurrection has reminded us to use Ms. Hannah-Jones' own words if a school district near us plans to use this execrable project, pushed by Columbia University, the Pulitzer Committee and Oprah Winfrey, in teaching children.

J.J. Sefton picked up a piece in The Federalist on how the public schools paved the way for Americans to believe the 1619 Project.

Meanwhile, Ms. Hannah-Jones declared that arson is not violence.

Earlier

Back in June, Ace noted: "Architect" of New York Times' Racist Revisionism "1619 Project" Is Herself a Vicious, Virulent Racist.

Ms. Hannah-Jones was also reportedly one of the leaders in ridding the NYT of editor James Bennett for publishing an opinion piece by Tom Cotton. Before Bari Weiss was forced to leave.

OK, it's National Review on Dead Tree (reported on Instapundit), but they still notice those NYT radicals. Hard to be funny these days. This was before Bari Weiss resigned.

J.J. Sefton picked up a piece by an Old White Professor reminding youngsters that slavery was not just an American thing. And that Americans were taken as slaves abroad.

Remarkably, an opinion piece was published in Newsweek declaring that America was not conceived in racism:

It is seldom taught anymore that Thomas Jefferson's original draft of the Declaration contained a paragraph condemning slavery as unnatural, immoral and "execrable commerce." By enabling the slave trade in the colonies, Jefferson wrote, the British monarch had "waged cruel war against human nature itself, violating its most sacred rights of life and liberty in the persons of a distant people who never offended him, captivating and carrying them into slavery in another hemisphere or to incur miserable death in their transportation thither." In what lawyers would call "an admission against interest," Jefferson wanted to put it in the record that nobody could rightfully hold humans as property. The anti-slavery paragraph did not make it to the final draft of the Declaration because South Carolina and Georgia objected to such a powerful rebuke to a substantial part of their economies.

This is the end of our little NYT/Racism Series

So much has happened since last August that could be related to the meeting in which Dean Baquet gave in to the young radicals on his staff and agreed that the NYT should look for "racism" in its news stories. We have only been able to touch on a smattering of related issues. This seems like a good time to end our attempt to keep track. It's too widespread now.

Our Previous Posts triggered by the NYT's August Racism Meeting, in reverse chronological order:

May 9, 2020 The New York Times, Racism and a Pullet Surprise:

Soon after the New York Times had to admit that the "1619 Project", AKA the "Hate America Project", was historically inaccurate, it won a Pulitzer Prize!

This led to some other historical examinations, including examinations of past Pulitzer Prizes (remember Duranty?) and even of the institution of the Pulitzer Prize itself. Have a good laugh about Joseph Pulitzer.

March 7, 2020: Is this the end of journalism? A member of the NYT Editorial Board, Mara Gay, who pushed the 1619 project has done some other really, really embarrassing things in the media. Has this kind of recklessness affected the quality of media more generally? Was that first remarkable on-air disaster with Brian Williams related to the NYT staff decision in August to always look for an ideological angle, rather than, say, to check your facts?

More critiques of the 1619 Project pour in. Other history which has been ignored lately is described.

January 18, 2020: Media Racism Update, contrasting the efforts of the Democrats to paint themselves as champions of the Constitution with the attacks on the Constitution in the NYT's 1619 Project. More on the 1619 Project's historical errors. Similarity to the communist goal of destroying memory.

Plus an interesting suggestion that it should be illegal to vote for Trump because he is racism personified. Uh-huh.

November 2, 2019: What would Frederick Douglass think? The 1619 Project wasn't much interested in Douglass. Reviews of the 1619 Project.

Also, Race-based lunacy in education NOT based in the 1619 Project. Western medicine is colonialism. Discussion of racial preferences in government.

September 28,2019: September Racism and Slavery Update, with analyses of the emerging, ahistorical 1619 Project. Note: Captain John Smith was once a slave.

Plus an effort to pin a racism charge on a Trump appointee. And media stories start to be re-written to emphasize racism. The 1776 Initiative is launched by a group of prominent Black Americans to counter the divisiveness of the 1619 Project. There are some interesting essays in this series. One participant, Shelby Steele, has been notably present on TV since then, too.

August 31, 2019: Dean Baquet's emergency meeting with his radical staff at the New York Times. This was where the editorial decision to focus on Donald Trump's racism was articulated. Oh. And then there was the 1619 Project.

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1 Yay

Posted by: MikeM at August 01, 2020 11:16 AM (0itt+)

2 Second?

Posted by: Kat_man at August 01, 2020 11:18 AM (+7WqI)

3 rd

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 01, 2020 11:18 AM (3H9h1)

4 So..."1619 Project" is a novel?

Posted by: BignJames at August 01, 2020 11:20 AM (X/Pw5)

5 So..."1619 Project" is a novel?


Posted by: BignJames at August 01, 2020 11:20 AM

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More of a propaganda work IMO.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at August 01, 2020 11:21 AM (JUOKG)

6 I thought the 1619 Project was a Soviet nuclear powered attack submarine.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 01, 2020 11:21 AM (3H9h1)

7 Mrs928's uncle in the nursing home in Georgia has died suddenly. He has only been in there for three months. I think they killed him by messing up his medication. He was a big man, and somewhat retarded so I think they doped him up to make him more manageable and over did it.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 01, 2020 11:22 AM (yQpMk)

8 It doesn't take much to realize that the 1619 Project is garbage.

The argument is that the American Revolution occurred to preserve slavery, yet one of the first things the United States did was to ban the importation of slaves.

Not even Goebbels would have tried to get away with such a lie.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 01, 2020 11:24 AM (I2/tG)

9 Nursing homes are homes of last resort.

Posted by: Braenyard at August 01, 2020 11:25 AM (QPcUQ)

10 Nursing homes are homes of last resort.



Yeah, I'll have a gun cleaning accident before I go into one.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 01, 2020 11:26 AM (yQpMk)

11 > Our intro says explicitly, what *would* it mean to consider 1619 our founding -- not that it IS our founding.

Piker.

Posted by: Walter Duranty at August 01, 2020 11:27 AM (unn44)

12 > Mrs928's uncle in the nursing home in Georgia has died suddenly.

Very sorry.

Posted by: Walter Duranty at August 01, 2020 11:28 AM (unn44)

13 My condolences to Mrs. 928. Nursing homes are teh evil.

Posted by: Infidel at August 01, 2020 11:28 AM (R4aZ2)

14 Here's part of that defense:

I've said consistently that the 1619 Project is AN origin story, not THE origin story. Our intro says explicitly, what *would* it mean to consider 1619 our founding -- not that it IS our founding.

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Wait, the same way some people view blacks as lazy, shiftless, unintelligent, violent, crime-driven thugs, not that they ARE that, though.

Is that how it works?

Posted by: Charles Darwin - CDC says COVID takes 15 min for exposure - More realistic is it spreads through poo at August 01, 2020 11:28 AM (7NCzG)

15 The 1819 Project needs to be sent to Croatan or Croatia.

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 01, 2020 11:29 AM (Yviqg)

16 eerr 1619 Project...

Need to wake up

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 01, 2020 11:29 AM (Yviqg)

17 The argument is that the American Revolution occurred to preserve slavery, yet one of the first things the United States did was to ban the importation of slaves.

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Why, it's almost like students aren't taught history!

Posted by: Charles Darwin - CDC says COVID takes 15 min for exposure - More realistic is it spreads through poo at August 01, 2020 11:29 AM (7NCzG)

18 My homeschool teaches from Neil Gaiman's "1602"
project.

Posted by: pouncer at August 01, 2020 11:30 AM (Jjybm)

19 > But Ms. Hannah-Jones (who seems to prefer to be known on Twitter as Ida Bae Welles,)

The real Ida B. Welles is generating high torque in her grave.

Though probably not as badly as when they named a hellhole "project" after her.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia (kneels to no one on this Earth) at August 01, 2020 11:30 AM (unn44)

20 This propaganda piece is being used around the country, worse garbage put out since Zinn to be used in Public Leftists Seminaries.

Posted by: Skip at August 01, 2020 11:31 AM (6f16T)

21 But Ms. Hannah-Jones

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Speaking of how stuff works, when her daughter marries her lesbian girlfriend, do they just add the hyphens?

Ms. Hannah-Jones-Smith-Jackson?

Posted by: Charles Darwin - CDC says COVID takes 15 min for exposure - More realistic is it spreads through poo at August 01, 2020 11:32 AM (7NCzG)

22 In summary:

Hannah-Jones don't know much about history.

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 01, 2020 11:32 AM (Yviqg)

23 I've said consistently that the 1619 Project is AN origin story, not THE
origin story. Our intro says explicitly, what *would* it mean to
consider 1619 our founding -- not that it IS our founding.


AN origin story? WTH does that even mean? I suppose it sounds better than "something I pulled out of my ass".

Also, when it comes to future presidents, I pick Cotton.

Posted by: pep at August 01, 2020 11:32 AM (v16oJ)

24 My homeschool teaches from Neil Gaiman's "1602"
project.

Posted by: pouncer at August 01, 2020 11:30 AM (Jjybm)

Just as factual.

Posted by: BignJames at August 01, 2020 11:32 AM (X/Pw5)

25 In 1619, Columbus sailed the blue. Wait, what?

Posted by: Little Lupe at August 01, 2020 11:33 AM (EgshT)

26
AN origin story? WTH does that even mean?

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It's like when those three black women were the only ones who could do the math to get those dumbass honkies to the moon.

Posted by: Charles Darwin - CDC says COVID takes 15 min for exposure - More realistic is it spreads through poo at August 01, 2020 11:33 AM (7NCzG)

27 Dear Miz Hannah-Jones,

Batman has an origin story. The United States of America had a revolution.

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 01, 2020 11:33 AM (Yviqg)

28 This, by the way, is what the Teacher Unions fear. When pod parents want to can someone who teaches this garbage to their kids, they can do it.

Posted by: pep at August 01, 2020 11:34 AM (v16oJ)

29 Our intro says explicitly, what *would* it mean to consider 1619 our founding -- not that it IS our founding.

Piker.

Posted by: Walter Duranty at August 01, 2020 11:27 AM (unn44)


It depends on what the meaning of IS is.

I did not have sex with that island!

Posted by: Billy Jeff (Bubba) Clinton at August 01, 2020 11:34 AM (AiZBA)

30 Nekkid male Antifa "protestor" fucks around, finds out.


https://tinyurl.com/nekkid-antifa

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia (kneels to no one on this Earth) at August 01, 2020 11:34 AM (unn44)

31 woulda been a contender if I'd hit the post button

Posted by: boomers remember stuff at August 01, 2020 11:34 AM (+U5Yr)

32 If only Comrade Stalin knew this pogrom was an origin story set in the Ukraine.

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 01, 2020 11:35 AM (Yviqg)

33 It's like when those three black women were the only ones who could do the math to get those dumbass honkies to the moon.

But it's true!

Posted by: Clock Boy at August 01, 2020 11:35 AM (EgshT)

34 The frightening part of this is when one realizes all the radical nonsense that is already funded by the federal government. Stuff nobody voted on, but the powers that be made sure the pipeline was turned on, and then every left wing controlled shithole could just pour all that sweet sweet cash into their projects.

That it takes an act of Congress to STOP this nonsense from being funded, that's the real crime. Not least of all because it ain't gonna happen.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 01, 2020 11:35 AM (hku12)

35
Our intro says explicitly, what *would* it mean to consider 1619 our founding -- not that it IS our founding.

And my intro says explicitly that you are a race-mongering whore idiot. Gee, this IS fun.

Posted by: pep at August 01, 2020 11:35 AM (v16oJ)

36 Why, it's almost like students aren't taught history!

I once read the slavery chapter of "A People's History of the United States".

In it, there was no acknowledgment that slavery existed anywhere other than the United States (Jamaica imported more slaves than the United States did), that the United States banned slave importation upon its founding, and Zinn claimed a 30% death rate in the Middle Passage (looking at British colonial records, the percentage death rate was in the single digits, and lower than the death rate among the crews).

Oh, and Zinn noted that slavers went more than a thousand miles from the coast in Africa to capture slaves. He forgot to mention that it wasn't white people traveling a thousand miles to capture slaves.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 01, 2020 11:36 AM (I2/tG)

37 >>> 6 I thought the 1619 Project was a Soviet nuclear powered attack submarine.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 01, 2020 11:21 AM (3H9h1)


It's a floor wax and a dessert topping!

Posted by: banana Dream at August 01, 2020 11:36 AM (l6b3d)

38 > Just as factual.

Way more factual, and way more entertaining. Yeah, it had comic book elements and action (because comic book), but the underlying history was pretty accurate. Elizabeth I really did have something approaching the first modern intelligence agency, and she really did hire wizards.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia (kneels to no one on this Earth) at August 01, 2020 11:36 AM (unn44)

39 Nekkid male Antifa "protestor" fucks around, finds out.


That was priceless.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at August 01, 2020 11:37 AM (EgshT)

40 Grump, I'm so sorry. Hugs to Mrs. 928.

Posted by: creeper at August 01, 2020 11:37 AM (XxJt1)

41 30
Nekkid male Antifa "protestor" fucks around, finds out.


You know that guy said "oh s***" when the driver got out of the car.

Posted by: pep at August 01, 2020 11:37 AM (v16oJ)

42 > (Jamaica imported more slaves than the United States did)

Some of the Caribbean and South American slave operations didn't even bother importing female slaves.

No return on investment, as they did less work than the men, and none of them ever survived long enough to reproduce.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia (kneels to no one on this Earth) at August 01, 2020 11:38 AM (unn44)

43 Nekkid Antifa protestor?

If there is a white ottoman in the picture, then its 'art.'

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 01, 2020 11:38 AM (Yviqg)

44 Nekkid male Antifa "protestor" fucks around, finds out.
https://tinyurl.com/nekkid-antifa
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia
Thank you. I will be back. I have to go watch that 5 more times.

Posted by: MikeM at August 01, 2020 11:38 AM (0itt+)

45 In it, there was no acknowledgment that slavery existed anywhere other
than the United States (Jamaica imported more slaves than the United
States did), that the United States banned slave importation upon its
founding, and Zinn claimed a 30% death rate in the Middle Passage
(looking at British colonial records, the percentage death rate was in
the single digits, and lower than the death rate among the crews).


I'm no expert, but it never made any sense at all to me that a slaver would destroy a third of his inventory just to be a jerk.

Posted by: pep at August 01, 2020 11:39 AM (v16oJ)

46 If there is to be a 1619 Project, it ought to be on the other significant event of that year: namely, the formation of the House of Burgesses in Virginia, marking the first instance of self-government in the American colonies. Now that would be interesting and worthwhile.

Posted by: Dr. T at August 01, 2020 11:40 AM (Vgw1E)

47 I'm no expert, but it never made any sense at all to me that a slaver would destroy a third of his inventory just to be a jerk.

Posted by: pep at August 01, 2020 11:39 AM (v16oJ)

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It was because they were racists and reveled in making the investment just to feed the sharks that still roam the highways of Chicago to this day. Or whatever.

Posted by: Charles Darwin - CDC says COVID takes 15 min for exposure - More realistic is it spreads through poo at August 01, 2020 11:40 AM (7NCzG)

48
The maiden speech to Parliament of Willam Gladstone - the Grand Old Man of British liberalism - was a defense on slavery in the West Indes.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 01, 2020 11:41 AM (mht8P)

49 > I'm no expert, but it never made any sense at all to me that a slaver would destroy a third of his inventory just to be a jerk.

Well, they basically bought them for a pound or two of tobacco, a few bottles of rum, or a yard or two of brightly-colored cloth, so it wasn't like they had a lot of money invested.

It made sense to feed anyone who got sick to the sharks, lest the sickness spread to the other slaves and wreck the profit for the whole voyage.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia (kneels to no one on this Earth) at August 01, 2020 11:42 AM (unn44)

50 AN origin story? WTH does that even mean? I suppose it sounds better than "something I pulled out of my ass".

Also, when it comes to future presidents, I pick Cotton.
Posted by: pep at August 01, 2020 11:32 AM (v16oJ)


Back when I was an undergrad, before some of these people were even born, we had a black group that would gather in the student lounge area, and do talks or whatever.

I remember one of the claims was that Eli Whitney did NOT invent the cotton gin, that it was slaves what did that. The argument being, why would white people feel the need to make the job of slaves easier.

I guess these students hadn't yet taken an intro to capitalism yet....

And who am I kidding, they never learned about capitalism.

Meanwhile, at the time we laughed and laughed at such nonsense. No one's laughing now. Alternate reality = alternate history = the favored narrative.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 01, 2020 11:42 AM (hku12)

51 Hadrian,

Mention Wilberforce to Hannah-Jones and she will think you are talking of a four-legged animal.

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 01, 2020 11:42 AM (Yviqg)

52 Thank you for the incredible post/work on 1619.

Posted by: MikeM at August 01, 2020 11:43 AM (0itt+)

53 Disgusting article at WZ. People arrested in DC for writing "black pre-born lives matter." In chalk, on the sidewalk, in front of a PP mill.

Posted by: Infidel at August 01, 2020 11:43 AM (R4aZ2)

54 AN origin story? WTH does that even mean? I suppose it sounds better than "something I pulled out of my ass".

Also, when it comes to future presidents, I pick Cotton.
Posted by: pep
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It's like people who die with "COVID as A cause" of death not the cause of death being counted as dying from the virus. Like that.

Posted by: lin-duh en fugue! at August 01, 2020 11:43 AM (NY0r1)

55 "Nekkid male Antifa leader goes to sleep"


Cold-cocked. Outstanding!

Posted by: creeper at August 01, 2020 11:43 AM (XxJt1)

56 Yeah, a slaver destroying inventory. In the days of slavery one of the more dangerous jobs was loading cotton bales on barges. One slip and you were crushed. They used to get the Irish for that chore.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at August 01, 2020 11:44 AM (C1Lsn)

57 Well, they basically bought them for a pound or two of tobacco, a few
bottles of rum, or a yard or two of brightly-colored cloth, so it wasn't
like they had a lot of money invested.



It made sense to feed anyone who got sick to the sharks, lest the
sickness spread to the other slaves and wreck the profit for the whole
voyage.




Sure, because you didn't want the sick ones infecting the others. I get that, no matter now horrible. But even if you only bought them for cheap, you're still destroying the future profit you'll make when you sell them. In fact, that makes the argument even stronger. A slave acquired for a low price and sold high has a very high profit margin. Nobody was buying dead slaves.

Posted by: pep at August 01, 2020 11:44 AM (v16oJ)

58 Well, they basically bought them for a pound or two of tobacco, a few

bottles of rum, or a yard or two of brightly-colored cloth, so it wasn't

like they had a lot of money invested.





It made sense to feed anyone who got sick to the sharks, lest the

sickness spread to the other slaves and wreck the profit for the whole

voyage.






Sure, because you didn't want the sick ones infecting
the others. I get that, no matter now horrible. But even if you only
bought them for cheap, you're still destroying the future profit you'll
make when you sell them. In fact, that makes the argument even stronger.
A slave acquired for a low price and sold high has a very high profit
margin. Nobody was buying dead slaves.





Posted by: pep at August 01, 2020 11:44 AM

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They also did that to their crews.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at August 01, 2020 11:45 AM (JUOKG)

59 And here I thought no way do I want to see a naked man do anything.
That was to funny not to see just once.

Posted by: Skip at August 01, 2020 11:45 AM (6f16T)

60 A Portland liberal encounters the reality of living in a deep blue city:

So for the past few days I've been trying to cope with the reality that PPS won't have classroom instruction at the start of this school year. My 4th grader's distance learning this spring was such a terrible experience for us, and I'm pretty sure nothing was learned. Some of her friend's families have decided to switch to private school where, it appears, classroom instruction will occur because they can meet the OBE safety guidelines and probably has less equity concerns to grapple with. This whole school thing has been keeping me up at night and has compounded my daily stress so much, I just can't even... I just don't know what to do. Even if private schools end up closing classrooms shortly after opening, maybe they will be better organized and attentive to online students?

Voting for "progressives" has consequences.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 01, 2020 11:46 AM (I2/tG)

61 I remember one of the claims was that Eli Whitney did NOT invent the cotton gin, that it was slaves what did that. The argument being, why would white people feel the need to make the job of slaves easier.

I guess these students hadn't yet taken an intro to capitalism yet....

And who am I kidding, they never learned about capitalism.

Meanwhile, at the time we laughed and laughed at such nonsense. No one's laughing now. Alternate reality = alternate history = the favored narrative.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 01, 2020 11:42 AM (hku12)


That's retarded. As I tell my students every semester, the reason cotton production was nil before the cotton gin was because it was a total bitch to clean and process, and just not worth it. Of course if a labor-saving machine makes something profitable, owners are going to take advantage of it.

Basic reasoning skills for the win.

Posted by: Dr. T at August 01, 2020 11:46 AM (Vgw1E)

62 If there is to be a 1619 Project, it ought to be on the other significant event of that year: namely, the formation of the House of Burgesses in Virginia, marking the first instance of self-government in the American colonies. Now that would be interesting and worthwhile.

Posted by: Dr. T at August 01, 2020 11:40 AM (Vgw1E)

House of Burgesses was 1642....General Assembly was 1619....yes I went to ms and hs in Va.

Posted by: BignJames at August 01, 2020 11:47 AM (X/Pw5)

63 My bosses lib daughter was pushing the 1619 bullshit on him. We talked. Still employed. Time to revisit.

Lib daughter thinks Gov. is the answer for everything.

Posted by: nip at August 01, 2020 11:48 AM (cpS4u)

64 Well, they basically bought them for a pound or two of tobacco, a few bottles of rum, or a yard or two of brightly-colored cloth, so it wasn't like they had a lot of money invested.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia (kneels to no one on this Earth) at August 01, 2020 11:42 AM (unn44)


Except nobody in a capitalist market chain just tosses away inventory, regardless of how much it cost to produce.

Nike for example, wouldn't toss away a shipload of new kicks, just because it only costs them pennies in slave labor to produce.

Why?

Because the profit on the other end is enormous, so the incentive to protect inventory is enormous.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 01, 2020 11:49 AM (hku12)

65 If you've lost CNN...

CNN article asks if building Three Rivers Gorge Dam was worth it.

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 01, 2020 11:50 AM (Yviqg)

66 >>> Voting for "progressives" has consequences.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 01, 2020 11:46 AM (I2/tG)


No, they will blame all of it on orange man bad and be entirely confident that the utopia promised by their leaders is only being delayed by the non-leftist wreckers of the world.

Posted by: banana Dream at August 01, 2020 11:50 AM (l6b3d)

67 Well, they basically bought them for a pound or two of tobacco, a few bottles of rum, or a yard or two of brightly-colored cloth, so it wasn't like they had a lot of money invested.

But the cost of shipping across the Atlantic was huge. Prior to the adoption of slavery in the Caribbean, planters tried using white indentured servants, who had to work for years to repay the costs of passage.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 01, 2020 11:51 AM (I2/tG)

68 If you've lost CNN...

CNN article asks if building Three Rivers Gorge Dam was worth it.
Posted by: Anna Puma

Does that mean we are going to see a "thar she blows?"

Posted by: Infidel at August 01, 2020 11:51 AM (R4aZ2)

69 I remember one of the claims was that Eli Whitney did NOT invent the cotton gin, that it was slaves what did that. The argument being, why would white people feel the need to make the job of slaves easier.

I guess these students hadn't yet taken an intro to capitalism yet....

And who am I kidding, they never learned about capitalism.

Meanwhile, at the time we laughed and laughed at such nonsense. No one's laughing now. Alternate reality = alternate history = the favored narrative.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 01, 2020 11:42 AM (hku12)


That's retarded. As I tell my students every semester, the reason cotton production was nil before the cotton gin was because it was a total bitch to clean and process, and just not worth it. Of course if a labor-saving machine makes something profitable, owners are going to take advantage of it.

Basic reasoning skills for the win.
Posted by: Dr. T at August 01, 2020 11:46 AM (Vgw1E)


And yet it would not shock me at all that the cotton gin myth is somewhere in this 1619 silliness.

Someone other than me is going to have to check though. I get tired of bullshite real fast.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 01, 2020 11:51 AM (hku12)

70 Old flyers and broadsides from such outfits as "Negro Mart" (a real name in Memphis) show that slavery, in a dollar and cents way, was not a cheap way to go. Of course, it should never have happened (or happen, looking at you third world) but it would have withered on the vine purely through economics and mechanization.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at August 01, 2020 11:52 AM (C1Lsn)

71 Does that mean we are going to see a "thar she blows?"

Wait. Hillary is in China?

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 01, 2020 11:52 AM (Yviqg)

72 Heh. You could tell that dude was nobody to eff with once he got out of his car. He gloriously demonstrated that.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at August 01, 2020 11:53 AM (EgshT)

73 > I remember one of the claims was that Eli Whitney did NOT invent the cotton gin, that it was slaves what did that.

It's like the way that Aristotle supposedly stole all his ideas from the Library of Alexandria.

Alexandria was founded by Alexander the Great, who had Aristotle as a teacher as a boy. The famous library wasn't founded until about 40 years after Aristotle's death.



Those Greeks were sneaky that way.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia (kneels to no one on this Earth) at August 01, 2020 11:53 AM (unn44)

74 Aristotle had a time machine.

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 01, 2020 11:54 AM (Yviqg)

75 Nekkid Antifa protestor***
I'd much rather have the mentally ill institutionalized, again. This b s of letting them roam unfettered and relieved of any responsibilities, has been a spectacular failure. If I can be made to take a vaccine, they can be made to take their meds.

Posted by: Old Dude at August 01, 2020 11:54 AM (LGXGf)

76 > (Jamaica imported more slaves than the United States did)

Some of the Caribbean and South American slave operations didn't even bother importing female slaves.

No return on investment, as they did less work than the men, and none of them ever survived long enough to reproduce.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia (kneels to no one on this Earth) at August 01, 2020 11:38 AM (unn44)


An excellent book from the '70s (I think), before PC-ness made it impossible to talk honestly about this in academia, is "Time on the Cross." It was written by a couple of statisticians who did a ton of number-crunching and proved that compared to Latin America and the Caribbean, slavery in the U.S. was incredibly humane--not necessarily because Southern masters were nicer about it, but because climate and the nature of the work were far better (cotton and tobacco were a walk in the park compared to sugarcane or mining).

Though most Southern slaveowners do appear to have been nicer about it--one of the things they also found out was that while separation of families at auction did occur, it was far rarer than what our textbooks imply.

Posted by: Dr. T at August 01, 2020 11:54 AM (Vgw1E)

77 Lib daughter thinks Gov. is the answer for everything.

Posted by: nip

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I suspect a big part of conservative thought is the assumption that everyone else is just as intelligent and capable as you, and often more so.

I suspect the same regarding the left, except the opposite.

Posted by: Charles Darwin twerking in Congress at August 01, 2020 11:54 AM (ZU2Dy)

78 Great research
Outstanding citations
Extraordinary reporting
And the special sound bytes for desert

Hey Ace, KT deserves a raise

Thanks for the post

Posted by: Larro at August 01, 2020 11:54 AM (bzaYN)

79 Well, they basically bought them for a pound or two of tobacco, a few bottles of rum, or a yard or two of brightly-colored cloth, so it wasn't like they had a lot of money invested.
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But the cost of shipping across the Atlantic was huge. Prior to the adoption of slavery in the Caribbean, planters tried using white indentured servants, who had to work for years to repay the costs of passage.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 01, 2020 11:51 AM (I2/tG)


I heard just yesterday that one of the myths of our recent terlet paper shortages was that it was shipped here from Chi Nah.

Except no, it's not. It turns out TP is manufactured locally, pretty much everywhere in the world. Because pound for pound, it would cost too much to ship from overseas. So as most people figured out quickly, the shortages had more to do with idiot panic buying.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 01, 2020 11:55 AM (hku12)

80 If I can be made to take a vaccine, they can be made to take their meds.

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Holy crap, that's an outstanding observation.

Posted by: Charles Darwin twerking in Congress at August 01, 2020 11:55 AM (ZU2Dy)

81 I'm not sure why nekkid dude is identified as Antifa. There is Cyrillic writing on the store in background (translated as "drug store" or "pharmacy" - thanks, Duolingo!), so I'm guessing this happened in Russia. Knocking people out for blocking traffic is SOP for Russians. I mean, I'd love for it to be some Antifa idiot getting KTFO, but I'm guessing vodka had more to do with this than politics.

Posted by: PabloD says start up the rotors at August 01, 2020 11:55 AM (Cjzp9)

82 > But the cost of shipping across the Atlantic was huge.

Right. That's why it made sense to cut any potential losses early in the voyage, by deep-sixing any slave who was unlikely to fetch a good price on the other side (especially if that slave might infect the others).

You know how farmers and animal breeders routinely cull any substandard animals as babies, rather than going to the expense of raising them to adulthood?

Same idea.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia (kneels to no one on this Earth) at August 01, 2020 11:55 AM (unn44)

83 > It turns out TP is manufactured locally, pretty much everywhere in the world

A lot of it comes from Canada, I think.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia (kneels to no one on this Earth) at August 01, 2020 11:56 AM (unn44)

84 My condolences to Mrs. 928. Nursing homes are teh evil.
Posted by: Infidel

Seconded

Posted by: JT at August 01, 2020 11:56 AM (arJlL)

85 "Nekkid male Antifa leader goes to sleep"

Only thing missing was seeing the shit roll down his leg as he went to the pavement.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 01, 2020 11:56 AM (3H9h1)

86 No, they will blame all of it on orange man bad and be entirely confident that the utopia promised by their leaders is only being delayed by the non-leftist wreckers of the world.

This woman does have some glimmers of understanding, in her citing off "equity" concerns. The stated position of Portland Public Schools is that their supreme goal is to decrease the achievement gap between white and minority students - in other words, how well white students do is not of concern to them.

Practically speaking, I suspect that she and her husband will move to the suburbs soon - Portland Public Schools may be terrible, but fortunately only 20% of the students in the Portland metro area go to Portland Public Sschools.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 01, 2020 11:57 AM (I2/tG)

87 > slavery in the U.S. was incredibly humane--not necessarily because Southern masters were nicer about it, but because climate and the nature of the work were far better (cotton and tobacco were a walk in the park compared to sugarcane or mining).

We won't even go into how the Arabs treated slaves.

Ever wonder why there's no "black community" in the Arab lands, despite them having imported African slaves for centuries at rates similar to their importation into the Americas?



Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia (kneels to no one on this Earth) at August 01, 2020 11:57 AM (unn44)

88 In summary:

Hannah-Jones don't know much about history.
Posted by: Anna Puma

Less than Hanna-Barbera

Posted by: JT at August 01, 2020 11:58 AM (arJlL)

89 House of Burgesses was 1642....General Assembly was 1619....yes I went to ms and hs in Va.
Posted by: BignJames at August 01, 2020 11:47 AM (X/Pw5)


Thanks for the catch. The General Assembly was composed of elected representatives, though, so the overall point still holds.

Posted by: Dr. T at August 01, 2020 11:58 AM (Vgw1E)

90 I heard just yesterday that one of the myths of our recent terlet paper shortages was that it was shipped here from Chi Nah.



Except no, it's not. It turns out TP is manufactured locally,
pretty much everywhere in the world. Because pound for pound, it would
cost too much to ship from overseas. So as most people figured out
quickly, the shortages had more to do with idiot panic buying.


Posted by: BurtTC at August 01, 2020 11:55 AM

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When I was in Macau, I went to the border crossing into China for a look see.

Longs lines of Chinese people and nearly everyone walking back into China had a clear garbage bag filled with toilet paper on their back.


That tells me something about China.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at August 01, 2020 11:58 AM (JUOKG)

91 eerr 1619 Project...

Need to wake up
Posted by: Anna Puma

that's ok; you were prolly thinking about The Three Stooges Dam.

Posted by: JT at August 01, 2020 11:59 AM (arJlL)

92 "Not a history"!! A "work of journalism"!?

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What part of NYT don't you understand?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at August 01, 2020 11:59 AM (+y/Ru)

93 Knocking people out for blocking traffic is SOP for Russians. I mean,
I'd love for it to be some Antifa idiot getting KTFO, but I'm guessing
vodka had more to do with this than politics.


You may be right there, although Pantifa is by no means confined to the US. In any event, it was entertaining.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at August 01, 2020 11:59 AM (EgshT)

94 The meds, vaccine thing is simply brutal.

Maybe I'll set a trap for a guy at work. It will be funny hearing him dispute it.

Maybe lead him down the road of jailing vaccine resisters. Should be easy.

Posted by: nip at August 01, 2020 12:00 PM (cpS4u)

95 But Ms. Hannah-Jones

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Speaking of how stuff works, when her daughter marries her lesbian girlfriend, do they just add the hyphens?

Ms. Hannah-Jones-Smith-Jackson?
Posted by: Charles Darwin - CDC says COVID takes 15 min for exposure - More realistic is it spreads through poo

"When a cervix meets a cervix a' comin' through the rye"

Posted by: JT at August 01, 2020 12:00 PM (arJlL)

96 Those Greeks were sneaky that way.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia (kneels to no one on this Earth) at August 01, 2020 11:53 AM (unn44)


Once upon a time I thought I really should get about studying the Greek philosophers, but the older I got the more I realized I probably did not need to... because everyone I was learning from pretty much already had incorporated these philosophies into their own ideas.

So... among other things, the attempts to cancel western culture comes at the risk of losing the wisdom of the Greeks. The loss of the libbarry at Alexandria was great, but if we keep doing what we're doing now, with not just this 1619 nonsense, what we'll lose will be monumentally, exponentially greater.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 01, 2020 12:00 PM (hku12)

97 Assuming (a mighty big assumption) that I was inclined to get naked and go out to block traffic, there's no way I would've just stood there when that guy got out of his car.

He's one of those guys who has "Don't fuck with me, punk" written all over him.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia (kneels to no one on this Earth) at August 01, 2020 12:01 PM (unn44)

98 Right. That's why it made sense to cut any potential losses early in the
voyage, by deep-sixing any slave who was unlikely to fetch a good price
on the other side (especially if that slave might infect the others).




Yes, but the point is that the culling of the weak would happen before you loaded them on a ship and set sail, unless we're talking exclusively about attrition by infectious diseases that broke out after setting sail. Even there, though, you would think a ship captain would know that there is a very steep fatality potential as you pack people tighter and tighter.

Posted by: pep at August 01, 2020 12:01 PM (v16oJ)

99 87 Slavery outside the US dictated that a slave must be used up until his last breath of air, much like Apache Indians would use a horse. The Apache would ride one to the ground, and eat it. The way some countries were (are).....

Posted by: bill in arkansas at August 01, 2020 12:01 PM (C1Lsn)

100 I am still watching this but it's good. It's a history of the Wuflu in China, by a Chinese born now Amercan journalist.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?
v=cav-OCuNmBI&feature=share

Posted by: Notsothoreau at August 01, 2020 12:02 PM (YynYJ)

101 Ever wonder why there's no "black community" in the Arab lands, despite them having imported African slaves for centuries at rates similar to their importation into the Americas?

And the poor oppressed Somalis were one of the main groups of slave traders.

Zinn didn't mention the Arab slave trade either, of course.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 01, 2020 12:02 PM (I2/tG)

102 My only interest in anything regarding Eli Whitney is the use of the word "gin."

Imagine my disappointment.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 01, 2020 12:02 PM (3H9h1)

103 CNN article asks if building Three Rivers Gorge Dam was worth it.


Worth the electricity, the development, the industry, the flood control?

Let us ask instead-- was it worth building CNN?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 01, 2020 12:02 PM (oVJmc)

104 The fact that these low-T Visigoths destroyed statues of Frederick Douglass (and Don Quixote & Sancho Panza!) tells me that history is not being taught (nor is literature).

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at August 01, 2020 12:02 PM (Dc2NZ)

105 Hiya KT !

Posted by: JT at August 01, 2020 12:03 PM (arJlL)

106 License plate is European at least, but funny anyway.
Speaking about Russia wonder if this Leftist crazy crap hitting in Russia or did they get that out of their system?

Posted by: Skip at August 01, 2020 12:03 PM (6f16T)

107 > So... among other things, the attempts to cancel western culture comes at the risk of losing the wisdom of the Greeks.

Yes!

Yeah, they were boy-humping slave-owners, but they came up with a lot of important ideas.

Ideas that work for everyone, not just "white people".

Keep the math, logic and republican ideals, lose the boy-humping and the slavery.

See: Japan, South Korea....

The contrast is especially stark when you compare South Korea to North Korea.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia (kneels to no one on this Earth) at August 01, 2020 12:03 PM (unn44)

108 The fact that these low-T Visigoths destroyed statues of Frederick Douglass (and Don Quixote & Sancho Panza!) tells me that history is not being taught (nor is literature).
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes

Look at the bright side; they didn't topple The Statue of Limitations.....

Posted by: JT at August 01, 2020 12:05 PM (arJlL)

109 > And the poor oppressed Somalis were one of the main groups of slave traders.


Swahili, beloved language of race hustlers in the United States, was originally a pidgin used by slave traders. It's chock-full of Arabic, Persian, Hindi, Portuguese, and Malay loanwords.



Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia (kneels to no one on this Earth) at August 01, 2020 12:06 PM (unn44)

110 The fact that these low-T Visigoths destroyed statues of Frederick Douglass (and Don Quixote & Sancho Panza!) tells me that history is not being taught (nor is literature).
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at August 01, 2020 12:02 PM (Dc2NZ)

Also tells us that they just want to topple statues and destroy shit just for the hell of it....

Posted by: JoeF. at August 01, 2020 12:07 PM (gtdYu)

111 Also tells us that they just want to topple statues and destroy shit just for the hell of it....

Posted by: JoeF.


Don't knock it until you've tried it.

Posted by: The Huns at August 01, 2020 12:08 PM (v16oJ)

112 Learning stopped a while back. When flunking stopped, there was no reason to learn anything. So learning stopped.

Posted by: klaftern at August 01, 2020 12:08 PM (RuIsu)

113 When I was in Macau, I went to the border crossing into China for a look see.

Longs lines of Chinese people and nearly everyone walking back into China had a clear garbage bag filled with toilet paper on their back.


That tells me something about China.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at August 01, 2020 11:58 AM (JUOKG)
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High-level officials sending back vitamins and baby formula adds another piece to the picture. Industrial development, but little concern about quality control or the manufacturer/customer relationship. Just make as much money as you can.

Shit, I knew Chinese-Americans who sent rice to China back in the day, for quality and because dirt and rocks were not always rinsed out. I knew a guy who broke a tooth that way at a restaurant.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at August 01, 2020 12:08 PM (Dc2NZ)

114 License plate is European at least, but funny anyway.{/i]

It's not a Russian license plate. Ukrainian, I think. The store in the background definitely says "drug store" in Cyrillic.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 01, 2020 12:08 PM (I2/tG)

Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 01, 2020 12:08 PM (I2/tG)

116 Ever wonder why there's no "black community" in the
Arab lands, despite them having imported African slaves for centuries at
rates similar to their importation into the Americas?









Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia (kneels to no one on this Earth) at August 01, 2020 11:57 AM (unn44)


Earth's Rura Penthe.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at August 01, 2020 12:09 PM (9Om/r)

117 When your spirits are low
There's a place you can go
You'll never see white folks
At a strictly cullud affair....

See 'em laying 'em down
Boys, they goin' to town
You may see a few light folks
But they all got cullud folks' hair.

Posted by: Zombie Cab Calloway at August 01, 2020 12:09 PM (Z+IKu)

118 No, they will blame all of it on orange man bad and be entirely confident that the utopia promised by their leaders is only being delayed by the non-leftist wreckers of the world.
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This woman does have some glimmers of understanding, in her citing off "equity" concerns. The stated position of Portland Public Schools is that their supreme goal is to decrease the achievement gap between white and minority students - in other words, how well white students do is not of concern to them.

Practically speaking, I suspect that she and her husband will move to the suburbs soon - Portland Public Schools may be terrible, but fortunately only 20% of the students in the Portland metro area go to Portland Public Sschools.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 01, 2020 11:57 AM (I2/tG)


This cannot be stressed enough. It's almost at the level of snake handlers, who, whenever someone gets bit and dies uses that as evidence that the person's faith wasn't strong enough.

Equal outcomes is the central tenet.

You being worse off is just not part of the equation. It's equal outcomes uber alles.

Which of course isn't even remotely possible, but that doesn't matter either. So if Chi Nah has more billionaires than the U.S., and there are tens, perhaps hundreds of millions of peasants living in abject poverty, that just means the "faith" of the CCP is in question. Not the principles.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 01, 2020 12:09 PM (hku12)

119 110 Nobody has touched the statues of Bass Reeves, Judge Isaac Parker, or General William Orlando Darby in Fort Smith to date.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at August 01, 2020 12:09 PM (C1Lsn)

120 Dirt and rocks in rice builds character.

Posted by: Wi Tu Lo and Sum Ting Wong at August 01, 2020 12:10 PM (EgshT)

121 Shit, I knew Chinese-Americans who sent rice to China back in the day, for quality and because dirt and rocks were not always rinsed out. I knew a guy who broke a tooth that way at a restaurant.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes

So, NGU should open an office neat to a CHinese restaurant ?

Posted by: JT at August 01, 2020 12:10 PM (arJlL)

122 120
Dirt and rocks in rice builds character.


Posted by: Wi Tu Lo and Sum Ting Wong



Light?

Posted by: Big Gap Maw at August 01, 2020 12:11 PM (v16oJ)

123 I am convinced the destruction is to wipe out any and all history to make way for the new utopia they think will come but never get here as it only will bring millions of deaths and untold misery.

Posted by: Skip at August 01, 2020 12:11 PM (6f16T)

124 Morning Horde.
Any mushroom clouds yet?

Posted by: Diogenes at August 01, 2020 12:13 PM (axyOa)

125 Speaking about Russia wonder if this Leftist crazy crap hitting in Russia or did they get that out of their system?

They're having ongoing mass demonstrations in the eastern city of Khabarovsk.

Putin booted out the popular regional governor (who beat the candidate from Putin's party), and flew him back to Moscow to face murder charges from twenty years ago.

Few people question the murder charges (this is Russia, after all), but this was clearly had been kept in reserve, to be sprung at an appropriate moment.

A demonstration of why you need a statute of limitations.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 01, 2020 12:13 PM (I2/tG)

126 Posted by: Skip at August 01, 2020 12:11

I have a lot of history books. I hope the kids keep them when I croak.

Posted by: Infidel at August 01, 2020 12:13 PM (R4aZ2)

127 "Not a history"!! A "work of journalism"!?

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What part of NYT don't you understand?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at August 01, 2020 11:59 AM (+y/Ru)


The NYT is like those big cathedrals in Europe.

Some people still seem to think there's religion going on in them there buildings.

Yeah, nah.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 01, 2020 12:13 PM (hku12)

128 ...but never get here as it only will bring millions of deaths and untold misery. Posted by: Skip at August 01, 2020 12:11 PM (6f16T)***
For the Davos, Switzerland crowd, what you've described is a feature, not a bug.

Posted by: Old Dude at August 01, 2020 12:15 PM (LGXGf)

129 121 I know an Iranian guy in Erie. I was bitching about a little psoriasis flare up and he asked me what I used for it. I told him Bag Baum gives some relief. He sent some to his sister in the old country, you know, that advanced highly scientific A bomb building country. Guess the goats over there suffer after milking (or Saturday night).

Posted by: bill in arkansas at August 01, 2020 12:15 PM (C1Lsn)

130 I respected newspapers until a phenomenon happened a few times. There would be an event I attended. Later, I would read the account of the event in the newspaper and find no evidence of any effort to report what actually happened. Everything was twisted so that a reader would end up mal-informed (not just misinformed).

Posted by: Emmie at August 01, 2020 12:16 PM (+ljgK)

131 Equal outcomes is the central tenet.

I can't understand why any white parent would send their kids to a school district that explicitly doesn't care how well their kids do.

Asian kids do much better than white kids in Portland schools, of course, but that is ignored. Spoils the narrative.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 01, 2020 12:17 PM (I2/tG)

132 What a great post, KT.

Thank you.

Posted by: Sharkman at August 01, 2020 12:18 PM (y6l0F)

133 Nobody has touched the statues of Bass Reeves, Judge Isaac Parker, or General William Orlando Darby in Fort Smith to date.


Posted by: bill in arkansas at August 01, 2020 12:09 PM

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There were some people taking pictures of the Confederate Soldier statute in our Town.

Other people came by and started taking pictures of the people taking the pictures. They left.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at August 01, 2020 12:20 PM (JUOKG)

134 We live by the pendulum. The period of time where the issue is handled and viewed properly is fleeting and is gone instantly to be replaced by a gradual bastardizing to the Left or Right until it finally returns to the middle. But only for a moment.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at August 01, 2020 12:22 PM (2DOZq)

135 133 That's when, not even being Italian, I shout Basta! and commence caning.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at August 01, 2020 12:22 PM (C1Lsn)

136 There is an old syfy novel in an alternate history novel by Norman Spinrad entitled The Iron Dream in which rather than becoming Fuehrer, Hitler immigrated to the US and became a syfy author. The book within the book is Hitler's novel which tells the story of a young man's rise from nothing to conquer the world. The rest of the book is criticism of Hitler's book not least of all for excess, over the top violence. It's in the style of the NYT.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at August 01, 2020 12:24 PM (+y/Ru)

137 New York Post
@nypost
20m
Joe Biden delays VP announcement another week https://trib.al/h8vl5S9

Posted by: m at August 01, 2020 12:24 PM (awAkQ)

138 The Left is trying to dishearten and demoralize us by erasing and re-writing our history.

It is an evil and cruel thing to do, but they must do it to seize illegitimate power they crave.

Posted by: Emmie at August 01, 2020 12:24 PM (+ljgK)

139 KT always brings it, much appreciated.

Posted by: Skip at August 01, 2020 12:24 PM (6f16T)

140 Bessie Coleman, first American Negro Pilot, stunt pilot, high achiever in a tough world. Leading the way for all American blacks before LBJ saved them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bessie_Coleman

however, wiki needs and editor:
"She absolutely refused to participate in aviation events that prohibited the attendance of African Americans."

Posted by: Braenyard at August 01, 2020 12:24 PM (QPcUQ)

141 Not a history"!! A "work of journalism"!?




It's a work of lies and anti-American, anti-white propaganda

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 01, 2020 12:25 PM (08AMq)

142 KT, thank you for hosting such thought-provoking threads!

Posted by: Emmie at August 01, 2020 12:25 PM (+ljgK)

143 @137 m > They must really be trying to get Mike to agree.

Posted by: Old Dude at August 01, 2020 12:25 PM (LGXGf)

144 I respected newspapers until a phenomenon happened a few times. There would be an event I attended. Later, I would read the account of the event in the newspaper and find no evidence of any effort to report what actually happened. Everything was twisted so that a reader would end up mal-informed (not just misinformed).
Posted by: Emmie at August 01, 2020 12:16 PM (+ljgK)


Yes, that's a basic lesson one learns, whenever there's a subject covered by corporate media, and you have specific knowledge of said subject.

The media report resembles reality in some spots, apparently only by accident.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 01, 2020 12:26 PM (hku12)

145 What's the story behind the magic of 1619?

The date the first black indentured servant shows up in America?


That is OK. Then it only about thirty-five years for a former black indentured servant to convince his honkey neighbors that IAW their culture they are supposed to be slave-slaves.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 01, 2020 12:26 PM (1g7ch)

146 143 @137 m > They must really be trying to get Mike to agree.
Posted by: Old Dude at August 01, 2020 12:25 PM (LGXGf)

That's the stuff of nightmares.

Posted by: m at August 01, 2020 12:27 PM (awAkQ)

147 We are planning to see Mount Rushmore next week. I have been informed that the sculptor or creator or somebody was a racist.

These days, I assume the charge of being "racist" is false.

Posted by: Emmie at August 01, 2020 12:28 PM (+ljgK)

148 Posted by: BurtTC at August 01, 2020 12:26 PM (hku12)

Gell-Mann Amnesia

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at August 01, 2020 12:28 PM (2DOZq)

149 The 1619 project is a plan to make black kids miserable and useless. Better to make it illegal, than defunded at the federal level. Cotton's bill is much too weak. But here we are.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 01, 2020 12:28 PM (LxTcq)

150 New York Post
@nypost
20m
Joe Biden delays VP announcement another week https://trib.al/h8vl5S9
Posted by: m at August 01, 2020 12:24 PM (awAkQ)


"Joe Biden delays." Well that's not true. Joe Biden doesn't even know who the Presidential nominee is going to be.

But yeah, this is a party that has all its ducks in a row, just ready and poised to take the White House.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 01, 2020 12:28 PM (hku12)

151 1619 will be the lottery number reported to be most hot in dream books sold in beverage stores in Newark.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at August 01, 2020 12:29 PM (C1Lsn)

152 Ducks in a row may become ducks in a barrel.

Posted by: Braenyard at August 01, 2020 12:29 PM (QPcUQ)

153 Seems the demonrat party is in total chaos. I think this makes them more dangerous.

Posted by: Infidel at August 01, 2020 12:30 PM (R4aZ2)

154 From the last thread, maybe I'm an overly credulous dupe but I thought Dersh did a good job defending himself on Tucker's interview.

Posted by: Captain Hate at August 01, 2020 12:30 PM (y7DUB)

155 153 Seems the demonrat party is in total chaos. I think this makes them more dangerous.

Posted by: Infidel at August 01, 2020 12:30 PM (R4aZ2)

see: Seattle, Portland, Minneapolis,

Posted by: Braenyard at August 01, 2020 12:31 PM (QPcUQ)

156 Posted by: Emmie at August 01, 2020 12:28

Hi Emmie! You do know Sturgis starts next week.

Posted by: Infidel at August 01, 2020 12:31 PM (R4aZ2)

157 Help!!!

Posted by: The Nicholas' Brothers hamstrings at August 01, 2020 12:31 PM (v16oJ)

158 154 From the last thread, maybe I'm an overly credulous dupe but I thought Dersh did a good job defending himself on Tucker's interview.

Posted by: Captain Hate at August 01, 2020 12:30 PM (y7DUB)

dupe me too

Posted by: Braenyard at August 01, 2020 12:31 PM (QPcUQ)

159 Does the 1619 project teach the fact that the USA banned the importation of slaves before Great Britain did? That Brazil imported 10x more slaves than the USA? Or that they did not free their slaves until 1887?

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at August 01, 2020 12:32 PM (2DOZq)

160 153 Yes it does, Think Ardennes offensive, 1944 with supplies.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at August 01, 2020 12:32 PM (C1Lsn)

161 We are planning to see Mount Rushmore next week. I have been informed that the sculptor or creator or somebody was a racist.

These days, I assume the charge of being "racist" is false.
Posted by: Emmie at August 01, 2020 12:28 PM (+ljgK)


I've forgotten the details, but apparently he wasn't the nicest guy in the world.

I don't remember what he did, because it doesn't really matter.

Pablo Picasso was an asshole too. He hasn't been canceled yet.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 01, 2020 12:32 PM (hku12)

162 I remember one of the claims was that Eli Whitney did NOT invent the
cotton gin, that it was slaves what did that. The argument being, why
would white people feel the need to make the job of slaves easier.





Al Sharpton: Eli Whitney stole our cotton gin and our cotton whiskey!!!!

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 01, 2020 12:32 PM (08AMq)

163 Seems the demonrat party is in total chaos. I think this makes them more dangerous.

Posted by: Infidel at August 01, 2020 12:30 PM (R4aZ2)

see: Seattle, Portland, Minneapolis,
Posted by: Braenyard


It will not matter who wins in November, cities are going to burn.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 01, 2020 12:33 PM (axyOa)

164 So the DemonRats' Violent Marxist Militias, AntiFa and BLM, burned a pile if Bibles in Portland last night.

Because Blessed George Floyd, Patron Saint of Having Your Rectum Stuffed With Fentanyl (PBUH), was killed by Christianity or something.

Yawn.

Let me know when they have the balls to burn a koran.

You know who else burned books?

Posted by: Sharkman at August 01, 2020 12:33 PM (y6l0F)

165 Nekkid male Antifa "protestor" fucks around, finds out.



I could watch that a dozen times.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 01, 2020 12:33 PM (yQpMk)

166 Don't have a dog in this pony show either way but is TGSW going to ban TIKTACK or whatever its called?

Posted by: weirdflunky at August 01, 2020 12:33 PM (cknjq)

167 Not truth, journalism. Get it?

Posted by: klaftern at August 01, 2020 12:33 PM (RuIsu)

168 Seems the demonrat party is in total chaos. I think this makes them more dangerous.Posted by: Infidel at August 01, 2020 12:30 PM (R4aZ2)***
Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose. So yeah, they've nothing to lose by doing whatever it takes. And if the past four years have taught us anything, it's that nobody's going to be punished for anything, no matter how heinous.

Posted by: Old Dude at August 01, 2020 12:34 PM (LGXGf)

169 Though it looks less like a punch than an openhand slap.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 01, 2020 12:34 PM (yQpMk)

170 We are planning to see Mount Rushmore next week. I have been informed that the sculptor or creator or somebody was a racist.

He was a Polish immigrant. He might have had some sketchy enough associations to trigger any sjw fuckhead but I think much of that was no more than finding out what the country was all about. Simon Schama didn't come down on him hard about that.

Posted by: Captain Hate at August 01, 2020 12:34 PM (y7DUB)

171 remember one of the claims was that Eli Whitney did NOT invent the
cotton gin, that it was slaves what did that. The argument being, why
would white people feel the need to make the job of slaves easier.





Al Sharpton: Eli Whitney stole our cotton gin and our cotton whiskey!!!!
Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 01, 2020 12:32 PM (08AMq)

The fact is that the Cotton Gin extended slavery because it increased cotton production requiring more slaves.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at August 01, 2020 12:35 PM (2DOZq)

172 From the last thread, maybe I'm an overly credulous dupe but I thought Dersh did a good job defending himself on Tucker's interview.
Posted by: Captain Hate at August 01, 2020 12:30 PM (y7DUB)


Did he prove he wasn't on the island? Because that's where we are.

#believeallwomen... except the ones that accuse lefties.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 01, 2020 12:35 PM (hku12)

173 sorry, was poking around and found something OT

Manu Guare is a Catalan artist with concerns about the current propaganda and opinion shaping culture.

He has done quite a number of posters about it that are in the style of the Spanish civil war style.
They are attributed to the ficticious NWO Corp System, who's motto is: Let us think for you.



My favorite is the one with Ronald Macdonald clown with the caption: Academic, We Need You! (almost all are in Spanish, if you click on the image it takes you to the image both in Spanish and English)

So, if you like the intersection of politics and savage irony you might like this
(euroweenie warning, though)

https://nwocorpsystem.wordpress.com/


Posted by: Kindltot at August 01, 2020 12:35 PM (WyVLE)

174 ...admitted that the 1619 Project Is Not History!

----

The recent push for all things black (BLM, reparations, end whiteness like math and written language) has me starting to think, "Hmmm, it sort of looks like blacks just can't do civilization. All their rage sort of gives me the impression that they just can't get their shit together; that they never will because they've plateaued, and they're blaming whitey because life's too hard."

I said I'm "STARTING TO THINK" that.

If they'd rather I got some other impression, they really need to change their tactics.


Posted by: RKae at August 01, 2020 12:35 PM (3Z6zE)

175 New York Post
@nypost
20m
Joe Biden delays VP announcement another week https://trib.al/h8vl5S9
Posted by: m at August 01, 2020 12:24 PM (awAkQ)

There must be serious infighting behind the scenes. Val Demings--in my opinion--would be the most formidable. But Kamala's people must be putting a lot of pressure on Biden's handlers.
Isn't Harris the choice of the Obama's?

Posted by: JoeF. at August 01, 2020 12:37 PM (gtdYu)

176 remember one of the claims was that Eli Whitney did NOT invent the cotton gin, that it was slaves what did that. The argument being, why would white people feel the need to make the job of slaves easier.

----

So why didn't anyone in Africa invent anything for tens of thousands of years?

Posted by: RKae at August 01, 2020 12:37 PM (3Z6zE)

177 A ray of hope: James Murdoch has resigned from the News Corp, Fox News' parent. He's a full tilt leftard, who "disagreed with Fox's editorial policy." Reality: his wife, Kathyrine Murdoch, works for the Clinton Global Climate Initiative, and he wanted moar globull warming shit.
Now, if the can get Paul F'ing Ryan in the ejector seat, Fox might become watchable again.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at August 01, 2020 12:37 PM (7Fj9P)

178 Some people still think Moochelle is going to be the VP pick.

Posted by: JoeF. at August 01, 2020 12:37 PM (gtdYu)

179 Mrs928's uncle in the nursing home in Georgia has died suddenly. He has only been in there for three months. I think they killed him by messing up his medication. He was a big man, and somewhat retarded so I think they doped him up to make him more manageable and over did it.

Posted by: Grump928(C)



I am sorry to hear this. My Dad had Alzheimer's and Dementia for years and was very difficult to manage because his meds were screwed up by the assisted living place he was in. Eventually they drugged him to death in 2016.

Prayers for you and your family.

Posted by: Sharkman at August 01, 2020 12:38 PM (y6l0F)

180 Some people still think Moochelle is going to be the VP pick.

Posted by: JoeF.

---

Nonsense. I think they're going to want a woman in that spot.

Posted by: RKae at August 01, 2020 12:39 PM (3Z6zE)

181 Seems the demonrat party is in total chaos. I think this makes them more dangerous.
Posted by: Infidel at August 01, 2020 12:30 PM (R4aZ2)


Hopefully much of the effort by the RNC is focused on cheating. Know where and how and by whom, because I really think that's where the Democrats have to go. If they don't cheat, it's going to be a bloodbath for them.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 01, 2020 12:40 PM (hku12)

182 93 Knocking people out for blocking traffic is SOP for Russians. I mean,
I'd love for it to be some Antifa idiot getting KTFO, but I'm guessing
vodka had more to do with this than politics.

You may be right there, although Pantifa is by no means confined to the US. In any event, it was entertaining.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at August 01, 2020 11:59 AM (EgshT)


I think it's Brighten Beach in NYC that is now Little Russia. Everything is Russian there. Even store-front signs.

Posted by: Justsayin' at August 01, 2020 12:40 PM (Fs5vw)

183 Lib daughter thinks Gov. is the answer for everything.

Posted by: nip

There ought to be a law!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at August 01, 2020 12:41 PM (+y/Ru)

184 Seriously, that link I shared at #100 is important.

Funny cause I got that from a Canadian Facebook friend. She sent it to me a couple of days ago and then also said I really need to watch it. It's long but it covers how the Chinese government covered up the severity of Wuflu.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at August 01, 2020 12:41 PM (YynYJ)

185 Hi Emmie! You do know Sturgis starts next week.
Posted by: Infidel at August 01, 2020 12:31 PM (R4aZ2)


Hi, Infidel!

Actually, Sturgis starts after we leave. We planned to avoid it.

Posted by: Emmie at August 01, 2020 12:41 PM (+ljgK)

186 Nekkid male Antifa "protestor" fucks around, finds out.



I could watch that a dozen times.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 01, 2020 12:33 PM (yQpMk

That video is heart warming. He went down hard. Here's hoping the pavement is hot and he burned his ass cheeks.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at August 01, 2020 12:42 PM (lgiXo)

187 If RKae is found dead with numerous wounds from a bat'leth, we'll know who did it.

Posted by: PabloD says start up the rotors at August 01, 2020 12:42 PM (Cjzp9)

188 I was on my banks website and noticed every picture on there was of a non white person. About 80% black women. I guess their message is clear. No white customers allowed. I can help them out with that policy.

Posted by: Asshoes at August 01, 2020 12:42 PM (JtTXY)

189 Emmie-

Mount Rushmore is beautiful in person. It's huge. I also enjoyed Crazy Horse. Saw a blast go off. Also toured a Mammoth geological site. Called Hot Springs. Went to the Sturgis Rally in 2000. Took a while to recover from that trip on two wheels.

Posted by: Infidel at August 01, 2020 12:43 PM (R4aZ2)

190 New York Post
@nypost
20m
Joe Biden delays VP announcement another week https://trib.al/h8vl5S9

-
Politics
Gracious Trump Suggests Delaying Election Until Dems Find A Candidate Who Can Form Coherent Sentences
July 31st, 2020

From the Bee.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at August 01, 2020 12:43 PM (+y/Ru)

191 find no evidence of any effort to report what actually happened. Everything was twisted so that a reader would end up mal-informed (not just misinformed).
Posted by: Emmie
Yes, Michael Crichton wrote about this - Gell-Man amnesia effect. People here like this concept, me too, one of my favorites. And a reason I feel we should not pay any attention to NatRev, for example. People that were that wrong about Trump, are useless to me.

Posted by: MikeM at August 01, 2020 12:43 PM (0itt+)

192 Some people still think Moochelle is going to be the VP pick.
Posted by: JoeF. at August 01, 2020 12:37 PM (gtdYu)


Every four years, some arguably intelligent people say really dumb things.

Posted by: Captain Hate at August 01, 2020 12:43 PM (y7DUB)

193 Lib daughter thinks Gov. is the answer for everything.


***
Obama's "Julie" campaign.

Posted by: Old Dude at August 01, 2020 12:43 PM (LGXGf)

194 remember one of the claims was that Eli Whitney did NOT invent the cotton gin, that it was slaves what did that. The argument being, why would white people feel the need to make the job of slaves easier.

----

So why didn't anyone in Africa invent anything for tens of thousands of years?

Posted by: RKae at August 01, 2020 12:37 PM (3Z6zE)


Oh yeah, that reminds me. An art class I took as an undergrad, the answer to that question is supposedly found in the art. That "advancement" in some cultures meant a much much deeper enrichment and focus on spiritual progress, and not technological progress.

Not kidding.

That's how the Euros got centuries ahead of the Africans and native Americans.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 01, 2020 12:43 PM (hku12)

195 We are planning to see Mount Rushmore next week. I have been informed that the sculptor or creator or somebody was a racist.
========================
Since you'll be in the area, make the drive over to see The Crazy horse monument. The project, which was insanely ambitious, has stalled b/c of lack of funding. They wanted to ding my family of 4 $20.00 to drive up and see what was there, but we declined. The very nice Indian at the gatehouse said: "Ok, how about $20?" We declined. I'm not sure how I feel about it. If the ever finished it, it would look really cool, but it seems like it's become a piece of political kryptonite.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at August 01, 2020 12:44 PM (7Fj9P)

196 Edit to add: $20.00, EACH.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at August 01, 2020 12:45 PM (7Fj9P)

197 Ever wonder why there's no "black community" in the
Arab lands, despite them having imported African slaves for centuries at
rates similar to their importation into the Americas?









Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia (kneels to no one on this Earth) at August 01, 2020 11:57 AM (unn44)


Nor are there white communities descendant from the million or more white Christian Europeans who were enslaved in Northern Africa from the 16th to the 18th centuries.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at August 01, 2020 12:45 PM (nAiE/)

198 Also, when it comes to future presidents, I pick Cotton.
Posted by: pep at August 01, 2020 11:32 AM

The biggest problem I have with Cotton is that Bill Krystal glommed onto him immediately.

Posted by: clutch at August 01, 2020 12:45 PM (9UmRs)

199 Only an illiberal, myopic and uninformed "historian" -- at best -- could say America was founded on racism. At worst, it would have to be a Marxist.

Posted by: Ordinary American at August 01, 2020 12:46 PM (H8QX8)

200 There must be serious infighting behind the scenes. Val Demings--in my opinion--would be the most formidable. But Kamala's people must be putting a lot of pressure on Biden's handlers.
Isn't Harris the choice of the Obama's?
Posted by: JoeF.

Lizzie Warren has the advantage. Her people can sneak through the forest without making a sound and ambush you when you least expect it.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at August 01, 2020 12:47 PM (+y/Ru)

201 Since you'll be in the area, make the drive over to see The Crazy horse monument. The project, which was insanely ambitious, has stalled b/c of lack of funding. They wanted to ding my family of 4 $20.00 to drive up and see what was there, but we declined. The very nice Indian at the gatehouse said: "Ok, how about $20?" We declined. I'm not sure how I feel about it. If the ever finished it, it would look really cool, but it seems like it's become a piece of political kryptonite.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at August 01, 2020 12:44 PM (7Fj9P)
-------------

If you go to the Crazy Horse monument web site, they are celebrating their diversity. If they are having problems, I suspect that's at least part of the reason.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at August 01, 2020 12:47 PM (WEBkv)

202 Sturgis starts after we leave. We planned to avoid it.
Posted by: Emmie at August 01, 2020 12:41 PM (+ljgK)


We are sticks in mud who miss out on all the fun.

Posted by: Emmie at August 01, 2020 12:48 PM (+ljgK)

203 Nor are there white communities descendant from the
million or more white Christian Europeans who were enslaved in Northern
Africa from the 16th to the 18th centuries.


Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner


It was noted by historians that many north African cities were substantially lighter skinned than the average. This was due to the high rate of imported white women.

Posted by: pep at August 01, 2020 12:48 PM (v16oJ)

204 199 Also, when it comes to future presidents, I pick Cotton.
Posted by: pep at August 01, 2020 11:32 AM

No more politicians for me. I don't care who they are. Trump ruined me on politicians. Don Jr. Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson -- I'm open to suggestions, but no politicians.

Posted by: Ordinary American at August 01, 2020 12:48 PM (H8QX8)

205 remember one of the claims was that Eli Whitney did NOT invent the cotton gin, that it was slaves what did that. The argument being, why would white people feel the need to make the job of slaves easier.


Whitney was heard to say one night, "Keep your cotton-pickin' hands off my gin!"

Posted by: Diogenes at August 01, 2020 12:49 PM (axyOa)

206 Ever wonder why there's no "black community" in the
Arab lands, despite them having imported African slaves for centuries at
rates similar to their importation into the Americas?

______________


It was clean shave.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 01, 2020 12:50 PM (1g7ch)

207 My money is on Susan rice for VP.

Posted by: Asshoes at August 01, 2020 12:50 PM (JtTXY)

208 The biggest problem I have with Cotton is that Bill Krystal glommed onto him immediately.

Posted by: clutch


I don't care what Kristol does or says. It's like the line from Casablanca.
"You despise me, don't you Rick?"
"Oh, I suppose if I ever thought about you I would".

Posted by: pep at August 01, 2020 12:50 PM (v16oJ)

209 I think Manu has been to whimsyshire before. Second row at the end.

Posted by: banana Dream at August 01, 2020 12:50 PM (l6b3d)

210 We are sticks in mud who miss out on all the fun.
Posted by: Emmie at August 01, 2020 12:48 PM (+ljgK)
-------------

Having heard stories from people who attended, and had pictures to go back up their stories, I'm not sure you're really missing out.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at August 01, 2020 12:50 PM (WEBkv)

211 We are sticks in mud who miss out on all the fun.
Posted by: Emmie at August 01, 2020 12:48 PM (+ljgK)

Oh, there will be plenty of early arrivals. A lot of people leaving this wknd heading up to SD.

Posted by: Infidel at August 01, 2020 12:51 PM (R4aZ2)

212 One of my Panamanian relatives here in the US --- he is working on a math PhD --- has an interesting take on all of this. Foreigners often get things wrong, to be sure, but sometimes they point out a new angle.

He thinks all of this hysteria and obsession with slavery, a question that was settled 150+ years ago, is part of a reaction by the black intelligentsia to the diminishing importance of the great Black-and-White narrative.

Demographic change, even if it has given enormous political power to the Left through the ballot box, has weakened the relative importance of the Slavery Story. In short, all of those Mexican and 3rd World immigrants don't give a crap about it.

The attempt to make it THE central American story may be a reaction to that fact.




Posted by: Margarita DeVille at August 01, 2020 12:51 PM (M/9m0)

213 Sort of depressing peole had to be told who BB King was, what a batch of ignorant idiots in Sing Sing. Oh wait, yeah they are in a penitentiary so no surprise.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 01, 2020 12:51 PM (KZzsI)

214 208 My money is on Susan rice for VP.
Posted by: Asshoes at August 01, 2020 12:50 PM (JtTXY)


I'm sorry

but you can kiss your $7 goodbye

Posted by: REDACTED at August 01, 2020 12:52 PM (JgrP5)

215 Ever wonder why there's no "black community" in the
Arab lands, despite them having imported African slaves for centuries at rates similar to their importation into the Americas?


Yeah funny how that works when you castrate the males and kill all the offspring of the females you rape. Sort of cuts back on the children.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 01, 2020 12:52 PM (KZzsI)

216 >> Some people still think Moochelle is going to be the VP pick.

Not if DOCTOR Jill Biden has anything to say about it.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 01, 2020 12:53 PM (3H9h1)

217 https://thediplomad.blogspot.com/
Merchants of Misery

Dip is always a good short read

Posted by: Skip at August 01, 2020 12:53 PM (6f16T)

218 214

Yeah that makes sense. Used to be minority meant black. Now minority means all sorts of things. More Hispanics than blacks in the us now. Blacks are losing power and this is their move to get it back.

Posted by: Asshoes at August 01, 2020 12:54 PM (JtTXY)

219 Legal Insurrection has reminded us to use Ms. Hannah-Jones' own words if a school district near us plans to use this execrable project


Use her words how? And to what effect?

Posted by: Hands at August 01, 2020 12:54 PM (786Ro)

220 Mount Rushmore is beautiful in person. It's huge. I also enjoyed Crazy Horse. Saw a blast go off. Also toured a Mammoth geological site. Called Hot Springs. Went to the Sturgis Rally in 2000. Took a while to recover from that trip on two wheels.
Posted by: Infidel at August 01, 2020 12:43 PM (R4aZ2)


Infidel, that sounds way cool! We are planning to see Crazy Horse as well.

It's a super-quick trip. Main objectives were to give Mr. Bassman a chance to see Rushmore before the iconoclasts get there and to rent a camper and sample the camping lifestyle. We are trying to decide whether to buy one.

Posted by: Emmie at August 01, 2020 12:54 PM (+ljgK)

221 The attempt to make it THE central American story may be a reaction to that fact.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille


Very astute observation. Some real validity here. Especially when you consider the big names of the civil rights movement are dying off.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 01, 2020 12:54 PM (axyOa)

222 We are sticks in mud who miss out on all the fun.
Posted by: Emmie at August 01, 2020 12:48 PM (+ljgK)
-------------

Having heard stories from people who attended, and had pictures to go back up their stories, I'm not sure you're really missing out.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at August 01, 2020 12:50 PM (WEBkv)

I was in the area last year (Devil's Tower), and the bikers were friggin' everywhere, and a lot off them were pricks, clogging the road with clusters of 50 to a hundred bikes, no way to pass. And hundreds of them filling store parking lots. Assholes. Could not even get into Devil's Tower, so I simply moved on to Montana.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, of the Butte Mahons at August 01, 2020 12:55 PM (x8Wzq)

223 Does the 1619 project teach the fact that the USA banned the importation of slaves before Great Britain did? That Brazil imported 10x more slaves than the USA? Or that they did not free their slaves until 1887?


Of course not. These people aren't anti-Brazilian, they're anti-American.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 01, 2020 12:55 PM (oVJmc)

224 Yeah that makes sense. Used to be minority meant
black. Now minority means all sorts of things. More Hispanics than
blacks in the us now. Blacks are losing power and this is their move to
get it back.

Posted by: Asshoes


It may have started that way, but it's been hijacked by white antifa. Hence all the complaints from BLM.

Posted by: pep at August 01, 2020 12:55 PM (v16oJ)

225 lacks are losing power and this is their move to get it back.

Mostly its Democrats terrified that Trump polls so well among black voters they are freaking out trying to get them back on the plantation.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 01, 2020 12:55 PM (KZzsI)

226 Demographic change, even if it has given enormous political power to the Left through the ballot box, has weakened the relative importance of the Slavery Story. In short, all of those Mexican and 3rd World immigrants don't give a crap about it.
The attempt to make it THE central American story may be a reaction to that fact.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at August 01, 2020 12:51 PM (M/9m0)

Excellent point.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 01, 2020 12:55 PM (Z+IKu)

227 Some people still think Moochelle is going to be the VP pick.


Moochie has been harshly instructed that being President, much less VP, is demotion from being a Queen

Beyonce and Oppie weighed in on that crap

Posted by: REDACTED at August 01, 2020 12:55 PM (JgrP5)

228 The attempt to make it THE central American story may be a reaction to that fact.




Posted by: Margarita DeVille at August 01, 2020 12:51 PM (M/9m0)


If you cannot persuade with facts to gain political power then baffle them with bullshit.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 01, 2020 12:56 PM (1g7ch)

229 226
pep, not a good analogy


Oh, why?

Posted by: pep at August 01, 2020 12:56 PM (v16oJ)

230 AN origin story? WTH does that even mean?

-
A re-imagining.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at August 01, 2020 12:56 PM (+y/Ru)

231 Susan brings no constituents, she isn't from anywhere they care about.

Posted by: Skip at August 01, 2020 12:57 PM (6f16T)

232 Oh, there will be plenty of early arrivals. A lot of people leaving this wknd heading up to SD.
Posted by: Infidel at August 01, 2020 12:51 PM (R4aZ2)


Curses! Foiled again!

We were gonna go last week but both cars decided they needed to spend a spa week at the mechanic.

Posted by: Emmie at August 01, 2020 12:57 PM (+ljgK)

233 Does the 1619 project teach the fact that the USA banned the importation of slaves before Great Britain did? That Brazil imported 10x more slaves than the USA? Or that they did not free their slaves until 1887?

It didn't teach that many of the founding fathers were parts of or leaders of anti-slavery organizations who got slavery banned in their individual states either.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 01, 2020 12:57 PM (KZzsI)

234 Would Michelle Obama be the first VP with toned arms?

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at August 01, 2020 12:57 PM (lgiXo)

235 222 Mount Rushmore is beautiful in person. It's huge. I also enjoyed Crazy Horse. Saw a blast go off. Also toured a Mammoth geological site. Called Hot Springs. Went to the Sturgis Rally in 2000. Took a while to recover from that trip on two wheels.
Posted by: Infidel at August 01, 2020 12:43 PM (R4aZ2)


I saw Rushmore open for Crazy Horse at the Dick Fat Festival 1982

Posted by: REDACTED at August 01, 2020 12:58 PM (JgrP5)

236 It's a super-quick trip. Main objectives were to give Mr. Bassman a chance to see Rushmore before the iconoclasts get there and to rent a camper and sample the camping lifestyle. We are trying to decide whether to buy one.
Posted by: Emmie at

Rent an RV to see if you like it. When I was there 20 yrs ago, we tried to avoid crowds. lol. Guy I was dating had a mom living in Rapid City. We spent a few days at her cabin on a small lake in the trees.

Posted by: Infidel at August 01, 2020 12:58 PM (R4aZ2)

237 Susan brings no constituents, she isn't from anywhere they care about.

While true, I think they don't care about any of that. The Democrat VP is just a hail Mary to put someone really radical and normally unelectable into the oval office because we and they know full well Biden isn't up to the job.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 01, 2020 12:58 PM (KZzsI)

238 238 Would Michelle Obama be the first VP with toned arms?
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at August 01, 2020 12:57 PM (lgiXo)


No but she would be the first VP with chronic knuckle abrasion syndrome

Posted by: REDACTED at August 01, 2020 01:00 PM (JgrP5)

239 "Origin story." Translation: our Marxist Narrative for you. You'll take it and like it.

Posted by: Ordinary American at August 01, 2020 01:01 PM (H8QX8)

240 Susan brings no constituents, she isn't from anywhere they care about.
Posted by: Skip at August 01, 2020 12:57 PM (6f16T)


Demcong need to reclaim the Iranian vote.

They want ValJar, but Susan Rice is close enough.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 01, 2020 01:01 PM (1g7ch)

241 Hispanic is unlike black in that it is a cultural rather than a racial designation. Most Hispanics are racially either white, black or mestizo.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at August 01, 2020 01:01 PM (nAiE/)

242 I respected newspapers until a phenomenon happened a few times. There would be an event I attended. Later, I would read the account of the event in the newspaper and find no evidence of any effort to report what actually happened. Everything was twisted so that a reader would end up mal-informed (not just misinformed).
Posted by: Emmie

It was a mostly truthful story.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at August 01, 2020 01:01 PM (+y/Ru)

243 Rapid City /Black Hills had a catastrophic flood in 1972 that killed over 200 people. We had moved from Rapid City just a few years before. Our former house was washed away.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at August 01, 2020 01:01 PM (2DOZq)

244 I am going to say that this is how they keep beating us.

I know educated Black people who saw the 1619 project and said FINALLY. The real story can be told.

They did not actually care about the real story being told. Just that a Black story was being told.

So a bill specifically aimed at defunding a Black story is going to be called racist - and kinda sorts it definitionally IS racist. Not to mention very infringe-y on the First Amendment.

I mean, 1619 is bad, and ahistorical, but has the Federal government been stirred to defund those using Howard Zinn? No?

Then why 1619 and now. You have to be able to answer that question why does this Black history stir you to action when this old Commie's "History" is perfectly fine? It's because he is WHITE, right?

Oh, and guess who the students in the schools that teach 1619 are going to be. You are going to take away Federal funding from them?

Smart.

Memba how we were torqued over Feds playing in curriculum with Common Core? Yeah, now they are down in the weeds. How about no.

And putting a cancel culture into the US Code? Yeah, no.

Instead, how about promote an actual pro-American agenda in things. Put some money into a real pro-American curriculum and offer it up to school districts. Teach Rush Revere type stuff to 2d graders and see what you get on the other end.



Posted by: blaster at August 01, 2020 01:02 PM (ZfRYq)

245 Rice will never be the VP nominee

she has absolutely no election track record

too much of a wild card

Posted by: REDACTED at August 01, 2020 01:03 PM (JgrP5)

246 I respected newspapers until a phenomenon happened a few times. There would be an event I attended. Later, I would read the account of the event in the newspaper and find no evidence of any effort to report what actually happened. Everything was twisted so that a reader would end up mal-informed (not just misinformed).
Posted by: Emmie


See!

Posted by: Gell-Mann at August 01, 2020 01:03 PM (ZfRYq)

247 According to ABC the terms fuzzy wozzy and peanut gallery are racist and must be no longer used.

Posted by: Asshoes at August 01, 2020 01:03 PM (JtTXY)

248 Sock Puppet Biden and a VP Rice would be the minions of President Val Jar

Posted by: Skip at August 01, 2020 01:04 PM (6f16T)

249 249 Rice will never be the VP nominee

she has absolutely no election track record

too much of a wild card
Posted by: REDACTED at August 01, 2020 01:03 PM (JgrP5)


If Biden is really up by 13 who cares how much of a wild card the VP nominee is. Oh, people are going to CARE now because he's so feeble.

The people don't know he's that feeble! That's why he is up by 13!

(And in case you are wondering, no I don't believe he is up by 13 so all the above is snark)

Posted by: blaster at August 01, 2020 01:05 PM (ZfRYq)

250 Instead, how about promote an actual pro-American agenda in things. Put some money into a real pro-American curriculum and offer it up to school districts. Teach Rush Revere type stuff to 2d graders and see what you get on the other end.
Posted by: blaster at August 01, 2020 01:02 PM (ZfRYq)

That would mean playing offense instead of defense. Good luck.

Posted by: Ordinary American at August 01, 2020 01:05 PM (H8QX8)

251 Hispanic is unlike black in that it is a cultural rather than a racial designation. Most Hispanics are racially either white, black or mestizo.
Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at August 01, 2020 01:01 PM (nAiE/)


Hispanic has an ever changing definition.

Last time I bothered to read the formal definition was anybody from a former spanish colony (not including spain),

Lean over to co-worker, "So, Juan, what does that make you if from Brazil?"

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 01, 2020 01:05 PM (1g7ch)

252 Picking a VP to win a state is about 20-30 years out of date thinking. Lieberman was from Connecticut Cheney from Wyoming. Pence and Kane were both from deep red/blue states. Biden and Palin were as well. VP picks are about getting the base energized and being a good attack dog not swinging a home state.

Posted by: Asshoes at August 01, 2020 01:06 PM (JtTXY)

253 Redacted you have to admit the no track record is what they look for these days,.
That's why groomed for the position Barky voted present alot.

Posted by: Skip at August 01, 2020 01:07 PM (6f16T)

254 That would mean playing offense instead of defense. Good luck.
Posted by: Ordinary American at August 01, 2020 01:05 PM (H8QX



Yeah, I know. Instead we get this own goal bullshit.

Posted by: blaster at August 01, 2020 01:07 PM (ZfRYq)

255 Rice is a lightweight of no consequence, she's not much use to the system and is barely connected. They'll pick someone more deeply into the system or controllable than Rice.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 01, 2020 01:10 PM (KZzsI)

256 I was in the area last year (Devil's Tower), and the bikers were friggin' everywhere, and a lot off them were pricks, clogging the road with clusters of 50 to a hundred bikes, no way to pass. And hundreds of them filling store parking lots. Assholes. Could not even get into Devil's Tower, so I simply moved on to Montana.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, of the Butte Mahons at August 01, 2020 12:55 PM (x8Wzq)


Devils Tower is a not-to-be-missed place. I'm sorry you were there during the biker period.

We live close enough now I can go to these places, off-season. Either before the winter sets in, or during the thaw. This year's insanity made that impossible, but if we're still around next year.....

Posted by: BurtTC at August 01, 2020 01:10 PM (hku12)

257 I am going to say that this is how they keep beating us.



I know educated Black people who saw the 1619 project and said FINALLY. The real story can be told.



They did not actually care about the real story being told. Just that a Black story was being told.



So a bill specifically aimed at defunding a Black story is going to
be called racist - and kinda sorts it definitionally IS racist. Not to
mention very infringe-y on the First Amendment.



I mean, 1619 is bad, and ahistorical, but has the Federal government been stirred to defund those using Howard Zinn? No?



Then why 1619 and now. You have to be able to answer that question
why does this Black history stir you to action when this old Commie's
"History" is perfectly fine? It's because he is WHITE, right?



Oh, and guess who the students in the schools that teach 1619 are
going to be. You are going to take away Federal funding from them?



Smart.



Memba how we were torqued over Feds playing in curriculum with
Common Core? Yeah, now they are down in the weeds. How about no.



And putting a cancel culture into the US Code? Yeah, no.



Instead, how about promote an actual pro-American agenda in things.
Put some money into a real pro-American curriculum and offer it up to
school districts. Teach Rush Revere type stuff to 2d graders and see
what you get on the other end.









Posted by: blaster at August 01, 2020 01:02 PM (ZfRYq)

Easy answer... nobody explicitly tried to force the use of Zinn in elementary and secondary schools. 1619 is a false history and should be banned from use in public schools not just because it's purpose is to divide and foment insurrection but also because it is factually inaccurate.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at August 01, 2020 01:11 PM (nAiE/)

258 I'm thinking it's really a 2024 pick to get their name recognition going.

Posted by: Skip at August 01, 2020 01:11 PM (6f16T)

259 Nikole Hannah-Jones has admitted that the 1619 Project Is Not History!

Ghetto scholarship at its finest.

She should've focused on pre-colonial African literature.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 01, 2020 01:13 PM (YqDXo)

260 Picking a VP to win a state is about 20-30 years out of date thinking. Lieberman was from Connecticut Cheney from Wyoming. Pence and Kane were both from deep red/blue states. Biden and Palin were as well. VP picks are about getting the base energized and being a good attack dog not swinging a home state.
Posted by: Asshoes at August 01, 2020 01:06 PM (JtTXY)


Exactly. So that why if Cummala didn't have some prosecutorial shenanigans in her recent past, she'd be a lock.

Really, I don't think they have any good options. So the delay, if it means anything, it's to shore up the defenses against the attacks they know will be coming. And to delay how soon those attacks can start in earnest.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 01, 2020 01:13 PM (hku12)

261 I've said consistently that the 1619 Project is AN origin story, not THE origin story. Our intro says explicitly, what *would* it mean to consider 1619 our founding -- not that it IS our founding.

soph-ist-ry sŏf′ĭ-strē
n. Plausible but fallacious argumentation.
n. A plausible but misleading or fallacious argument.
n. The methods of teaching, doctrines, or practices of the Greek sophists.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 01, 2020 01:15 PM (YqDXo)

262 Prager I think pointed out to me the American Civil War ( ACW in gaming nomenclature) was the only war to stop slavery, any other before then if about it was to start slavery.

Posted by: Skip at August 01, 2020 01:15 PM (6f16T)

263 I'm thinking it's really a 2024 pick to get their name recognition going.
Posted by: Skip at August 01, 2020 01:11 PM (6f16T)


Eh. If Trump wins, I doubt the Democrats will be picking anybody who had anything to do with the mess of 2020. It'll be a celeb, with no electoral history.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 01, 2020 01:15 PM (hku12)

264 Thanks to free money and nowhere to spend it I finished the month with a few shekels left over. So I hit the Tip Jar. Good exercise for a Saturday.

Posted by: creeper at August 01, 2020 01:16 PM (XxJt1)

265 Not a history"!! A "work of journalism"!? This, after slagging the many eminent U.S. historians (many of them mainline liberals like Sean Wilentz) with the usual slurs of being old, privileged white males after they called bullshit on the tendentious 1619 Project.

An implicit admission that "journalism" is now simply agitprop.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 01, 2020 01:16 PM (YqDXo)

266 Oh, dear let the VP pick not be Michelle. Uggh!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 01, 2020 01:16 PM (oDRcK)

267 Rice will never be the VP nominee

she has absolutely no election track record

too much of a wild card
Posted by: REDACTED at August 01, 2020 01:03 PM (JgrP5)


Too much of a known liar

Posted by: JoeF. at August 01, 2020 01:17 PM (gtdYu)

268 264 Exactly. So that why if Cummala didn't have some prosecutorial shenanigans in her recent past, she'd be a lock.

Really, I don't think they have any good options. So the delay, if it means anything, it's to shore up the defenses against the attacks they know will be coming. And to delay how soon those attacks can start in earnest.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 01, 2020 01:13 PM (hku12)

Maybe they're finding out bad and disqualifying things about ALL the women on the VP list.

Posted by: m at August 01, 2020 01:17 PM (awAkQ)

269 "one of the claims was that Eli Whitney did NOT invent the cotton gin, that it was slaves what did that."

there is probably a grain of truth in that concept ... (no idea on this particular invention) ... that the owner/operator can pick up ideas from the workers. Bill Gates was stealing a lot of ideas, from what I heard, but stealing from other entrepreneurs mostly.


China routinely steals from US, but again, they steal from academia and government, not from blue collar workers.


The owner/capitalist is the one with the drive to engineer little ideas together (e.g. the tools used for manually separating cotton) into a machine that would make him more productive and more wealthy. Although there are probably some ideas (e.g. super duper pooper scooper?) stolen from a lowly worker and taken to a patent office by the thief, not something that would require such engineering and testing.


Did slaves at times suggest ideas that would make work easier for them? In a good slave/owner relationship (for the day, some were probably pretty friendly) ... I bet a little of that would happen. But the drive to engineer/build a cotton gin would seem more long and arduous than some minor suggestions from the field. (importing engineer level slaves from India came later)


So I rate "slaves invented the cotton gin" as mostly false, along with "the riches of America were due mostly to the blacks they forced into slavery". But I'm biased since my German ancestors escaped Germany, then helped develop waterways and farmlands in this area, with zero slavery. They were agrarian, but I did have one uncle with three patents, (that never made a dime).

Posted by: illiniwek at August 01, 2020 01:18 PM (Cus5s)

270 I have never watched this much horse racing

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at August 01, 2020 01:18 PM (PUmDY)

271 Nikole Hannah-Jones ~ Al Sharpton in terms of historical veracity.

"Then them Greek homos enslaved us and transported us here!"

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 01, 2020 01:19 PM (YqDXo)

272 garden thread up

Posted by: m at August 01, 2020 01:19 PM (awAkQ)

273 Oh, dear let the VP pick not be Michelle. Uggh!
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 01, 2020 01:16 PM (oDRcK)

I might be stupid , but I believe that if she was the pick, it would be so over-the-top that even some slow people would realize it's an obvious manipulation.

Posted by: JoeF. at August 01, 2020 01:19 PM (gtdYu)

274 Who here thinks this is anything note than a publicity stunt ?
Posted by: Unit 29155


Could you be more specific?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 01, 2020 01:19 PM (ysmsf)

275 Rent an RV to see if you like it. When I was there 20 yrs ago, we tried to avoid crowds. lol. Guy I was dating had a mom living in Rapid City. We spent a few days at her cabin on a small lake in the trees.
Posted by: Infidel at August 01, 2020 12:58 PM (R4aZ2)


A cabin sounds like a great way to avoid crowds! The trailer we are considering is quite small and we rented the closest in size and features as we could find.

Posted by: Emmie at August 01, 2020 01:19 PM (+ljgK)

276 GARDEN THREAD IS NOOD

Posted by: Skip, the guy who says NOOD at August 01, 2020 01:20 PM (6f16T)

277 Easy answer... nobody explicitly tried to force the use of Zinn in elementary and secondary schools. 1619 is a false history and should be banned from use in public schools not just because it's purpose is to divide and foment insurrection but also because it is factually inaccurate.
Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at August 01, 2020 01:11 PM (nAiE/)


Umm, yeah they have.

That's my point. And if you don't know it, the accusation can be levelled at you - why did you not care enough to know it, but you are bothered by this Black history.

Don't get me wrong. I don't think they should be teaching 1619 in schools. But I don't think that the Feds should be directing the curriculum. And I don't think that White Republicans are helping the brand by going after it while leaving Zinn alone.

Posted by: blaster at August 01, 2020 01:20 PM (ZfRYq)

278 Hillary sends her condolences to Tim Dillon's family for his tragic suicide next Wednesday.
twitter.com/TimJDillon/status/1289389907937394690

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at August 01, 2020 01:21 PM (ykYG2)

279 I contend that there is too much cotton-picking cherry-picking of history here!

You can not write the Confederacy and the Civil war out but keep slavery in. That would mean a whole lot people are still slaves to the Democrats!

Ohhhhhh.

Posted by: Fritz at August 01, 2020 01:22 PM (CvDG1)

280 245 Hispanic is unlike black in that it is a cultural rather than a racial designation. Most Hispanics are racially either white, black or mestizo.
Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at August 01, 2020 01:01 PM (nAiE/)
--------------------------------------------
Yeah, white, black, indio, or a mix --- mestizo, mulatto.

I am always confounded by the American belief that "Hispanic" is a race. I come from a Hispanic country --- and it's one of the most interracial ones on earth.


Posted by: Margarita DeVille at August 01, 2020 01:22 PM (M/9m0)

281 Posted by: Captain Hate at August 01, 2020 12:34 PM (y7DUB)

Borglum was Danish, not Polish. Big difference

Posted by: clutch at August 01, 2020 01:23 PM (9UmRs)

282 So I rate "slaves invented the cotton gin" as mostly false, along with "the riches of America were due mostly to the blacks they forced into slavery".

I'll ask the obvious question: why didn't Africans invent* anything? Or build a rich and prosperous Africa?

And no, Virigina, colonialism will not wash as an excuse. The colonial era began in 1870 at the very earliest, but really only took hold in 1890 or so, and largely ended by 1960 or so.

Seventy years. Which leaves a millennia before that, and the 60 years after that, unaccounted for. You can start showing your inventive and nation-building prowess any time now, OK?

*apart from necklacing, of course.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 01, 2020 01:24 PM (YqDXo)

283 Posted by: JoeF. at August 01, 2020 01:19 PM (gtdYu)

One would hope so, but who's that acerbic writer and journalist (H.L. Menken?) who said, "Nobody every went broke underestimating the stupidity of the American public." (paraphrase).

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 01, 2020 01:24 PM (oDRcK)

284 Toned arms drive mean pillow.

Posted by: klaftern at August 01, 2020 01:26 PM (RuIsu)

285 Umm, yeah they have.



That's my point. And if you don't know it, the accusation can be
levelled at you - why did you not care enough to know it, but you are
bothered by this Black history.



Don't get me wrong. I don't think they should be teaching 1619 in
schools. But I don't think that the Feds should be directing the
curriculum. And I don't think that White Republicans are helping the
brand by going after it while leaving Zinn alone.





Posted by: blaster at August 01, 2020 01:20 PM (ZfRYq)

No they haven't. Text book writers may have snuck some of Zinn's ideas into their textbooks and some high schools may have used Zinn's books as supplementary texts but there is no evidence that points to such a use being widespread.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at August 01, 2020 01:26 PM (nAiE/)

286 Mooch is the only worry for me, Democrats would universality vote for Barky's 3rd term.

Posted by: Skip at August 01, 2020 01:26 PM (6f16T)

287 Didn't MS-13 take care of BLM in Detroit?

Posted by: Braenyard at August 01, 2020 01:27 PM (QPcUQ)

288 So I rate "slaves invented the cotton gin" as mostly false, along with "the riches of America were due mostly to the blacks they forced into slavery". But I'm biased since my German ancestors escaped Germany, then helped develop waterways and farmlands in this area, with zero slavery. They were agrarian, but I did have one uncle with three patents, (that never made a dime).
Posted by: illiniwek at August 01, 2020 01:18 PM (Cus5s)

That whole "WE built this country" that race hustlers use is so fraudulent. Yes, everyone played a role--blacks, Chinese, Natives--but when people talk about "built', they usually mean the cities,--and waterways, bridges, etc. and most of the cities were in the Northeast and Midwest so you are talking European immigrants--Germans, Irish, Italians, Polish, Bohemian, many of them Catholic, but also Lutherans too.

They brought with them their knowledge of the trades--carpentry, stone masonry, BREWING, etc.- that had built Europe--including Cathedrals

Posted by: JoeF. at August 01, 2020 01:28 PM (gtdYu)

289 The federal govt should not be subsidizing public education.

Posted by: Braenyard at August 01, 2020 01:29 PM (QPcUQ)

290 On the bean counting side Hispanic is not a race.

These are the "race" categories on the Census:

White:
Black or African American:
American Indian or Alaska Native:
Asian:
Native Hawaiian and Pacific Islander:
Some Other Race:

For Hispanic, it is a catoegory that is not race

Hispanic or Latino:

The category "Hispanic, Latino, or Spanish origin" includes all individuals who identify with one or more nationalities or ethnic groups originating in Mexico, Puerto Rico, Cuba, Central and South America, and other Spanish cultures. Examples of these groups include, but are not limited to, Mexican or Mexican American, Puerto Rican, Cuban, Salvadoran, Dominican, and Colombian. "Hispanic, Latino or Spanish origin" also includes groups such as Guatemalan, Honduran, Spaniard, Ecuadorian, Peruvian, Venezuelan, etc. If a person is not of Hispanic, Latino, or Spanish origin, answer "No, not of Hispanic, Latino, or Spanish origin".

Posted by: blaster at August 01, 2020 01:29 PM (ZfRYq)

291 I know educated black people who saw the 1619 project and said FINALLY. The real story can be told.

They did not actually care about the real story being told. Just that a black story was being told.


The OJ Simpson jury was a salient case of this. Apart from the "educated" aspect.

The common denominator: their views are apparently shaped almost entirely by race. Truth doesn't get a look-in.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 01, 2020 01:29 PM (YqDXo)

292 "Well, they basically bought them for a pound or two of tobacco, a few bottles of rum, or a yard or two of brightly-colored cloth, so it wasn't like they had a lot of money invested."

I always figured those Dashikis people wear with such pride were basically slave blood money. it's not like stone age people had looms.

Posted by: x at August 01, 2020 01:29 PM (nFwvY)

293 I'll ask the obvious question: why didn't Africans invent* anything? Or build a rich and prosperous Africa?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara


* bong rip *

Because dude, aliens.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 01, 2020 01:30 PM (ysmsf)

294 European immigrants--Germans, Irish, Italians, Polish, Bohemian, many of them Catholic, but also Lutherans too.

They brought with them their knowledge of the trades--carpentry, stone masonry, BREWING, etc.- that had built Europe--including Cathedrals

Posted by: JoeF. at August 01, 2020 01:28 PM (gtdYu)


Hey, what about the Methodists?

Posted by: Braenyard at August 01, 2020 01:30 PM (QPcUQ)

295 No they haven't. Text book writers may have snuck some of Zinn's ideas into their textbooks and some high schools may have used Zinn's books as supplementary texts but there is no evidence that points to such a use being widespread.
Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at August 01, 2020 01:26 PM (nAiE/)


Zinn's book is used in high schools not necessarily snuck in in other works.

Is 1619 "widespread?" What is the metric here?

Posted by: blaster at August 01, 2020 01:31 PM (ZfRYq)

296 That whole "WE built this country" that race hustlers use is so fraudulent. Yes, everyone played a role--blacks, Chinese, Natives--but when people talk about "built', they usually mean the cities,--and waterways, bridges, etc. and most of the cities were in the Northeast and Midwest so you are talking European immigrants--Germans, Irish, Italians, Polish, Bohemian, many of them Catholic, but also Lutherans too.

I take the "we built this country" more broadly, in the sense of generating its ethos and economy generally speaking.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 01, 2020 01:31 PM (YqDXo)

297 The attempt to make it THE central American story may be a reaction to that fact.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at August 01, 2020 12:51 PM

If that were the case, wouldn't the newer immigrants vote against the Race Agitators' party?

Posted by: clutch at August 01, 2020 01:31 PM (9UmRs)

298
No they haven't. Text book writers may have snuck some of Zinn's ideas into their textbooks and some high schools may have used Zinn's books as supplementary texts but there is no evidence that points to such a use being widespread.
Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at August 01, 2020 01:26 PM (nAiE/)

Zinn's pack of lies is DEFINITELY used as a text in college and high school.
In the summer, it's ALWAYS stacked on the table that Barnes & Noble reserves for books that are widely assigned by schools--Catcher in the Rye, the Color Purple, Animal Farm....

Posted by: JoeF. at August 01, 2020 01:31 PM (gtdYu)

299 it's not like stone age people had looms.
Posted by: x at August 01, 2020 01:29 PM (nFwvY)


Hey, they invented the Stone Age! Show some respect.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 01, 2020 01:32 PM (YqDXo)

300 Most Hispanics are racially either white, black or mestizo.

Except in Argentina, where they're racially mestizo, Italian, or Nazi refugee

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at August 01, 2020 01:32 PM (ykYG2)

301 Zinn's pack of lies is DEFINITELY used as a text in college and high school.
In the summer, it's ALWAYS stacked on the table that Barnes & Noble reserves for books that are widely assigned by schools--Catcher in the Rye, the Color Purple, Animal Farm....
Posted by: JoeF. at August 01, 2020 01:31 PM (gtdYu)


Zinn's POS book is of a piece with the Protocols of the Elders of Zion in terms of historical merit.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 01, 2020 01:33 PM (YqDXo)

302 Except in Argentina, where they're racially mestizo, Italian, or Nazi refugee

Posted by: boulder t'hobo



Technically, the latter are Heilspanics.

Posted by: pep at August 01, 2020 01:33 PM (v16oJ)

303 >>> >>>Mexican or Mexican American, Puerto Rican, Cuban, Salvadoran, Dominican, and Colombian. "Hispanic, Latino or Spanish origin" also includes groups such as Guatemalan, Honduran, Spaniard, Ecuadorian, Peruvian, Venezuelan, etc. If a person is not of Hispanic, Latino, or Spanish origin, answer "No, not of Hispanic, Latino, or Spanish origin".

Posted by: blaster at August 01, 2020 01:29 PM (ZfRYq)
----------------

You forgot Parador




Posted by: Braenyard at August 01, 2020 01:34 PM (QPcUQ)

304 I take the "we built this country" more broadly, in the sense of generating its ethos and economy generally speaking.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 01, 2020 01:31 PM (YqDXo)

Good point, everyone played a role in that.

Take NYC--the Dutch were kicked out more than 300 years ago, but the economic framework they established in Manhattan remains.

Posted by: JoeF. at August 01, 2020 01:34 PM (gtdYu)

305 We built this city on rock and roll... Jefferson Pushcart.

Posted by: klaftern at August 01, 2020 01:35 PM (RuIsu)

306 Kind of cool that Stones are releasing the ppv of the Steel Wheels tour show at Donald Trump's venue so close to the election

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at August 01, 2020 01:35 PM (PUmDY)

307 Argentina was an up and coming nation until the nazis took over.

Posted by: Braenyard at August 01, 2020 01:35 PM (QPcUQ)

308 Going to take a ride to community park, any other year a softball tournament would be going on, pick up basketball or street hockey.
So far this year if 6 people are there its a croud.

Posted by: Skip at August 01, 2020 01:35 PM (6f16T)

309 They brought with them their knowledge of the trades--carpentry, stone masonry, BREWING, etc.- that had built Europe--including Cathedrals
Posted by: JoeF. at August 01, 2020 01:28 PM (gtdYu)


More to the point, they brought with them a set of values: a work ethos, respect for law and property, regard for the family, the ability to plan and organize, etc.

Not uniformly; there were hairballs in there too, God knows. But as a group, yes.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 01, 2020 01:36 PM (YqDXo)

310 There's fewer and fewer whites in advertising now. Oh, and I swear Pajama Boy is in an advertisement for some medication (can't remember which one [there's so many])).

Posted by: Justsayin' at August 01, 2020 01:36 PM (Fs5vw)

311 311 Argentina was an up and coming nation until the nazis took over.
Posted by: Braenyard at August 01, 2020 01:35 PM (QPcUQ)


You're kidding, of course. It was an up and coming nation until Juan Peron was excreted onto the scene in 1946.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 01, 2020 01:37 PM (YqDXo)

312 255----Hispanic has an ever changing definition.
Last time I bothered to read the formal definition was anybody from a former spanish colony (not including spain),
Lean over to co-worker, "So, Juan, what does that make you if from Brazil?"
Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 01, 2020 01:05 PM (1g7ch)
--------------------------------
Juan is a Latino. (Although the name would be Joao. if he's Brazilian!)
See, that word includes the Portuguese speakers of Brazil.
But for some reason it does NOT include other Latins like European Iberians and.....Italians.

Thus we cannot have a "Hispanic" from Hispania or a "Latino" from the land of the Latins, Italy!

The universities came under fire for counting Spaniards as Oppressed People of Color. So now to be an OPOC, you must be born in a Spanish-speaking* former colony of Spain.

That last part was driven by Mexican-Americans and Nuyoricans who didn't like having Filipinos claim to be "Hispanic." The Flips have to be Asians --- which is NOT what you want to be when you are applying to college!

So, when it comes to admissions and employment .... Cameron Cruz is an OPOC and the average Filipino is not!

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at August 01, 2020 01:38 PM (M/9m0)

313 It's a super-quick trip. Main objectives were to give Mr. Bassman a chance to see Rushmore
==================
Emmie, don't know if you're still around, but one really cool, and easy to miss part of Mt. Rushmore is a turnoff on the way up to the main parking area the is labeled "Jefferson Profile". You get a perfect, cameo shot of TJ in profile. Super cool.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at August 01, 2020 01:38 PM (7Fj9P)

314
A cabin sounds like a great way to avoid crowds! The trailer we are considering is quite small and we rented the closest in size and features as we could find.
Posted by: Emmie at August 01, 2020 01:19 PM (+ljgK)

I hope you and guitar man have a wonderful time!

Posted by: Infidel at August 01, 2020 01:38 PM (R4aZ2)

315 I thought Juan had nazi advisers.

Posted by: Braenyard at August 01, 2020 01:39 PM (QPcUQ)

316 Peron's brand of national-socialism is weird and not easy to translate into other nations' terms. Some people compared it to Fianna Fail in Ireland.

Based on how that economic did for postwar Ireland until recently... Fail is about right.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at August 01, 2020 01:39 PM (ykYG2)

317 Juan absolutely did stuff his administration full of "ex" Nazis on the lam.

Although, based on what some people are saying about MKUltra, America's security establishment wasn't too picky about which Germans the Paperclip picked up, either . . .

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at August 01, 2020 01:41 PM (ykYG2)

318 319 I thought Juan had nazi advisers.
Posted by: Braenyard at August 01, 2020 01:39 PM (QPcUQ)


He didn't need them. He was a straight-up banana republic style caudillo.

If he'd had Nazi advisors, the country would've been a lot better off economically.

I believe most of the Nazis kept a pretty low profile, for obvious reasons.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 01, 2020 01:41 PM (YqDXo)

319 thoughtco.com/juan-domingo-peron-and-argentinas-nazis-2136208

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at August 01, 2020 01:42 PM (ykYG2)

320 318
A cabin sounds like a great way to avoid crowds! The trailer we are considering is quite small and we rented the closest in size and features as we could find.
Posted by: Emmie at August 01, 2020 01:19 PM (+ljgK)


Road Trip commentary would be very cool reading.

Posted by: Braenyard at August 01, 2020 01:42 PM (QPcUQ)

321 The universities came under fire for counting Spaniards as Oppressed People of Color. So now to be an OPOC, you must be born in a Spanish-speaking* former colony of Spain.

So born in the US doesn't count at all?

Posted by: blaster at August 01, 2020 01:43 PM (ZfRYq)

322 Most Hispanics are racially either white, black or mestizo.

Or a mix of all of the above--the percentages of which -- depend on the country

From what I see in my diverse haven

Mexicans--white Mexicans exist, but here they are mostly Indian, some mixed white.

Puerto Ricans--mostly white, but many mixed with Indian and/or black

Dominicans--Heavily black, some light skinned though

Columbians, Venuzuelans, Costa Ricans-mostly white with HOT women
Peru, Ecuador--Lots of Indian/White mix
Argentina--Italian or Spanish
Brazil--Italian, Porteguese, German, also lots of black

Chile, Uruguay ---All European countries represented

Posted by: JoeF. at August 01, 2020 01:43 PM (gtdYu)

323 okay, no, Jay Guevara is right. Peron had enough pro-Nazi folks at home in Argentina that he didn't need to hire any more, so he didn't.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at August 01, 2020 01:43 PM (ykYG2)

324 Posted by: boulder t'hobo at August 01, 2020 01:42 PM (ykYG2)

Sure, Peron was pro-Nazi, God knows. But I don't see anything about them being advisors to the government.

As mentioned above, I believe keeping a low profile was the order of the day.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 01, 2020 01:45 PM (YqDXo)

325 Juan absolutely did stuff his administration full of "ex" Nazis on the lam.

Although, based on what some people are saying about MKUltra, America's security establishment wasn't too picky about which Germans the Paperclip picked up, either . . .
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at August 01, 2020 01:41 PM (ykYG2)

Paradoxically, didn't Peron also accept a lot of Jewish refugees?

Posted by: JoeF. at August 01, 2020 01:45 PM (gtdYu)

326 The federal govt should not be subsidizing public education.
Posted by: Braenyard
---------

The Dept of Education. Thanks Jimmy!

Like all other areas that the Fed should not be involved in. The central government via 'programs' which provide funding, and to which the states and municipalities have become addicted.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 01, 2020 01:46 PM (9Fwwf)

327 okay, no, Jay Guevara is right. Peron had enough pro-Nazi folks at home in Argentina that he didn't need to hire any more, so he didn't.
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at August 01, 2020 01:43 PM (ykYG2)


Thank you. I didn't mean to suggest that Peron or Argentina were anti-Nazi. Far from it.

But it's hard to imagine a Nazi war criminal on the lam taking on a role with any public visibility.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 01, 2020 01:47 PM (YqDXo)

328 Argentina's economic turn (down) pre-dated Peron.

Nazis weren't successful economic sorts, but that wasn't their point, at all. The only non-disastrous economic managers in the Nazi regime were non-Nazis, whose efforts were just turned towards re-armament and national mobilization by those really running things.

Unless one considers the "Ostplan" of mass colonization/extraction from conquered territories to the east an economic development strategery, the Nazis weren't really focused on that, per se. The boss's basic premise was that Germany could not economically prosper within existing (or even slightly "adjusted" borders). Among the many things he/they didn't understand were economics.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 01, 2020 01:47 PM (OTzUX)

329 Hey, what about the Methodists?

Posted by: Braenyard at August 01, 2020 01:30 PM (QPcUQ)

White collar workers? Shopkeepers?

Posted by: JoeF. at August 01, 2020 01:48 PM (gtdYu)

330 I hate Argentine nazis.

Posted by: klaftern at August 01, 2020 01:50 PM (RuIsu)

331 "Instead, how about promote an actual pro-American agenda in things.
Put some money into a real pro-American curriculum and offer it up to
school districts..."
True Progress is Americanism ... America setting a constitutional standard for fair treatment, which allowed progress out of slavery, for the common man to advance himself via his own ambition.


Republicans advanced the Black Community right up through 1970 (I think all black congressmen were Repub' till the 1940s). Democrats yielded to equal rights laws and end of Jim Crow. But LBJ came up with black entrapment via his Great Society. Family life for blacks went downhill ever since, and inner cities mostly cratered under Dem rule. Obama solidified the move back toward racial animus as a political power move ... and here we are today with Soros/DeepState "capitalizing" on BLM terrorism.


Up from Slavery (1865) ... down since LBJ (1965) ... for the average black person trapped in the inner city. That 1776 Project offers hope. I have a dream ... men will be judged by the content of their character, not used as political/racial cannon fodder for Democrats. Record low unemployment for blacks until DS torpedoed that with coup/impeach/virus/BLM.

Posted by: illiniwek at August 01, 2020 01:50 PM (Cus5s)

332 Hey, what about the Methodists?

Posted by: Braenyard at August 01, 2020 01:30 PM (QPcUQ)

Introduced Meth?

Posted by: JoeF. at August 01, 2020 01:50 PM (gtdYu)

333 Amish make the best meth.

Posted by: klaftern at August 01, 2020 01:52 PM (RuIsu)

334 Argentina's and Brazil's German immigration long pre-dated the Nazi era. Lot of it was land-grant type programs, esp. in southern Brazil (where I heard German being spoken between guys in their 20s ..... in the mid-1980s).

When Brazil was rented, er, joined the Allies, one of the odd side issues at home was the fact that Portuguese was not the uniform language of instruction across the vast country. Other languages mainly used: German, Italian ..... and Japanese (in Sao Paulo). Ooops! The Axis, a clean sweep.

So that was changed.

Pro-Axis sentiment in South America had little or nothing to do with "Nazism" or any kind of moral positioning on the issues that *later* were seen to be the center of it all. Brazil's participation was not universally popular but did reflect currents within the elites, and the military, that believed joining the Allies was part of modernizing the country and putting it on a level footing with the rich countries of the northern hemisphere.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 01, 2020 01:54 PM (OTzUX)

335 So I'm wearing a face shield to the grocery store.

I need to know whether I'm supposed to raise it if I have to sneeze or cough, sneeze onto it and then remove it, clean it in the store, and continue shopping after I wipe it down and throw the paper towels away in the normal trash, dispose of the entire face shield in the store, or continue wearing it with the snot and spittle on the shield as I drive home where I can safely touch it and dispose of the waste in my personal trash can.

Anyone have any guidance for us?

Posted by: Charles Darwin - CDC says COVID takes 15 min for exposure - More realistic is it spreads through poo at August 01, 2020 01:56 PM (7NCzG)

336 When Brazil was rented, er, joined the Allies, one of the odd side issues at home was the fact that Portuguese was not the uniform language of instruction across the vast country. Other languages mainly used: German, Italian ..... and Japanese (in Sao Paulo). Ooops! The Axis, a clean sweep.

So that was changed.

Interesting.

Posted by: JoeF. at August 01, 2020 01:57 PM (gtdYu)

337 bringing this forward:

140 Bessie Coleman, first American Negro Pilot, stunt pilot, high achiever in a tough world. Leading the way for all American blacks before LBJ saved them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bessie_Coleman

Posted by: Braenyard at August 01, 2020 01:58 PM (QPcUQ)

338 Phil Murphy is threatening to start delaying the re-openings because of 500 new cases a day---with no deaths and little hospitalization.

Posted by: JoeF. at August 01, 2020 01:58 PM (gtdYu)

339 Highly recommended, for anyone seeking an understanding of the economic side of the Nazi catastrophe, is "Wages of Destruction" by Alan Tooze.

Really sort of the only work of its kind, in English, at least that's comprehensive. Covers the economics and finances of Germany from just before until the fiery end of the Nazi era.

As with any other close examination of the period, the overall impression of Nazi administration that emerges: chaos. Not order.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 01, 2020 01:59 PM (OTzUX)

340 Brazil had (and has) longstanding ties with Portugal which had longstanding ties with England. Portugal was to the Allies what Sweden was to the Axis: officially neutral, unofficially offered a lot of help.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at August 01, 2020 02:00 PM (ykYG2)

341 325
So born in the US doesn't count at all?

Posted by: blaster at August 01, 2020 01:43 PM (ZfRYq)
-----------------------------------
Oh, yeah. It DOES count.
But no one has yet figured out how many generations you can be removed from the Spanish-speaking point of origin!
Nor have they figured out what percentage of Hispanitude you need.
Nor whether you speak Spanish.
Nor whether you have a Spanish name....or not.
Nor whether Giselle Bundchen should be counted as an oppressed Latina just because she was born in Brazil and her native language is Portuguese.

This whole "Hispanic" and "Latinx" thing is an absurdity.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at August 01, 2020 02:00 PM (M/9m0)

342 JoeF. - the entire framework within which all these decrees and "policies" are being inflicted is not based on any defensible or previously accepted framework of epidemic management or medical strategy.

And the fault for that goes ALL the way up to the WH task force, which apart from the puzzling adoption of common sense on school openings, continues to pretend to believe there's anything useful to be done about a prevalent virus with influenza-like mortality apart from perfecting therapies and isolating the very narrowly-defined vulnerable cohort.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 01, 2020 02:02 PM (OTzUX)

343 There is a strong tradition in Africa of spinning and weaving, using mainly cotton. I don't know how far back it goes but the tools are primative.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at August 01, 2020 02:03 PM (YynYJ)

344 Property ownership and the rights that go with it was the keystone to the development of the United States. So far it's still here but hanging by a thread.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at August 01, 2020 02:04 PM (2DOZq)

345 338 Phil Murphy is threatening to start delaying the re-openings because of 500 new cases a day---with no deaths and little hospitalization.

Posted by: JoeF. at August 01, 2020 01:58 PM (gtdYu)


Herman Cain's death was a shocker.

PDB's should publicly acknowledge the dichotomy and adjust all Covid policy in deference to those vulnerable and those not vulnerable.


Posted by: Braenyard at August 01, 2020 02:05 PM (QPcUQ)

346 Posted by: rhomboid at August 01, 2020 01:59 PM (OTzUX)

What's ironic is we know this because they documented everything.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at August 01, 2020 02:06 PM (2DOZq)

347 There is a strong tradition in Africa of spinning and weaving, using mainly cotton. I don't know how far back it goes but the tools are primitive.

There's indigenous American cotton too. Apparently it's better - I hear it's 90% of the cotton on market today.

Because American cotton is better, primitive tools to harvest and work it did fine. The Mexicans even quilted it for armor. The Spaniards ended up chucking their heavy metal plate for the local cotton armour because it helped them move around better.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at August 01, 2020 02:06 PM (ykYG2)

348 Didn't that breech loader Ernst Rohm go to Bolivia and head up their military for a short time between sips of penis at home?

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 01, 2020 02:06 PM (Z+IKu)

349 What's ironic is we know this because they documented everything.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at August 01, 2020 02:06 PM (2DOZq)


What's ironic is that's just what we are doing now.

Posted by: Braenyard at August 01, 2020 02:08 PM (QPcUQ)

350 IIRC the country with the largest proportion of Japanese immigrants? Peru.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 01, 2020 02:08 PM (YqDXo)

351 Hairyback, yes, Rohm was recalled from Oblivia to the Reich.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 01, 2020 02:08 PM (OTzUX)

352 Jared Diamond should have titled his book "Guns, Germs, and Steel and, uh, Horses". Spanish guns were shit in 1521. Ten minutes to load, to funnel the powder, and to light. LOL.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at August 01, 2020 02:08 PM (ykYG2)

353 IIRC the country with the largest proportion of Japanese immigrants? Peru.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 01, 2020 02:08 PM (YqDXo)

They had a Japanese-Peruvian President. But I think Brazil still has the largest population of Japanese.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at August 01, 2020 02:09 PM (2DOZq)

354
316 Margarita DeVille...

I agree, so very clear. /s

It is about cultural heritage, not racial.
They originally meant Mexican when they said Latino, but Latino meant mostly not-Anglo, but it was then defined most true to what they meant by "anybody from a Latin speaking country".

Since they twist the definition every couple of years to now have a long list of declared "Hispanic" because of culture. The list has always included Mexican since it's original intent, but excluded the PI, even though culturally the Philippines has more in common with Mexico than it does with China, or than Mexico has with Chile or Brazil, or any of the Caribbean islands.

Just don't ask about Macau.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 01, 2020 02:10 PM (1g7ch)

355 Posted by: Margarita DeVille at August 01, 2020 02:00 PM (M/9m0)

Spanish speakers or cultural Hispanics should vote for the winners here, not the Commie Dems. They supposedly left that crap behind to come here.

Posted by: clutch at August 01, 2020 02:10 PM (9UmRs)

356 Sorry you said proportion not population.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at August 01, 2020 02:10 PM (2DOZq)

357 Brazil had (and has) longstanding ties with Portugal which had longstanding ties with England. Portugal was to the Allies what Sweden was to the Axis: officially neutral, unofficially offered a lot of help.
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at August 01, 2020 02:00 PM (ykYG2)


Portugal is one of the few countries that never went to war with England (or Britain, as it became later). At least, so far.

The English used Portugal as a base against Spain, and the Portuguese considered England as the lesser of two evils.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 01, 2020 02:11 PM (YqDXo)

358 Largest Japanese community outside Japan - Brazil. Peru also has a lot. When I was in Brazil in the 80s I easily detected an odd accent among young Japanese-Brazilians, who presumably were from Liberdade, the huge Japanese area of Sao Paulo - where there was Japanese-language print and electronic media, etc.

Shockingly, Japanese in Brazil are fabulously prosperous, and very prominent in the two largest ag export sectors, coffee and citrus.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 01, 2020 02:12 PM (OTzUX)

359 6 people at the park, 3 adults 3 kids in 2 groups. Almost home guy comes out of his house with mask on, walks to car and was getting in, besides me riding bike no one else anywhere around.

Posted by: Skip at August 01, 2020 02:12 PM (6f16T)

360 Jared Diamond should have titled his book "Guns, Germs, and Steel and, uh, Horses". Spanish guns were shit in 1521. Ten minutes to load, to funnel the powder, and to light. LOL.
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at August 01, 2020 02:08 PM (ykYG2)


He should have entitled it, "Why Some Places are Train Wrecks: An Apologia," with the subtitle, "It Ain't Their Fault. Honest!"

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 01, 2020 02:12 PM (YqDXo)

361 Alexandria was founded by Alexander the Great, who had Aristotle as a
teacher as a boy. The famous library wasn't founded until about 40 years
after Aristotle's death.

Those Greeks were sneaky that way.

Backdoor time travel.

Posted by: andycanuck at August 01, 2020 02:13 PM (an7Mv)

362 Shockingly, Japanese in Brazil are fabulously prosperous, and very prominent in the two largest ag export sectors, coffee and citrus.
Posted by: rhomboid at August 01, 2020 02:12 PM (OTzUX)


Yellow privilege, comin' and goin'.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 01, 2020 02:13 PM (YqDXo)

363 Anyone have any guidance for us?
Posted by: Charles Darwin - CDC says COVID takes 15 min for exposure - More realistic is it spreads through poo at August 01, 2020 01:56 PM (7NCzG)

===
The face shield protects the wearer from droplets.

If you sneeze it should be into a tissue or the crook of your arm sleeve

Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 01, 2020 02:14 PM (JvZF+)

364 322- ....Columbians, Venuzuelans, Costa Ricans-mostly white with HOT women......

Posted by: JoeF. at August 01, 2020 01:43 PM (gtdYu)
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Eh, forget the stoopid hot women. Let's get to the IMPORTANT racial component of Colombia and Venezuela --- the African input in the Caribbean lowlands. BEISBOL, baby!

With a few exceptions --- honkies like Omar Vizquel and Luis Aparicio come to mind ---most of those MLB players are at least part black.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at August 01, 2020 02:15 PM (M/9m0)

365 Hairyback, yes, Rohm was recalled from Oblivia to the Reich.
Posted by: rhomboid at August 01, 2020 02:08 PM (OTzUX)

Thanks rhomboid! He should have stayed but what did he know.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 01, 2020 02:17 PM (Z+IKu)

366 See Places in the Heart with Sally Fields to get a good idea of what picking cotton by hand is like. There are thorns on the cotton plant. And separating the seeds from the boll is difficult by hand.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at August 01, 2020 02:17 PM (YynYJ)

367 When I worked for the Japanese insurance company, Tokio Marine , my office's Japanese's account manager had just been transferred from Brazil. Weird when I heard him speak Portuguese on the phone .

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at August 01, 2020 02:18 PM (2DOZq)

368 With a few exceptions --- honkies like Omar Vizquel and Luis Aparicio come to mind ---most of those MLB players are at least part black.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at August 01, 2020 02:15 PM (M/9m0)

Vizquel is from Venezuela I believe, but yes, it;s true and it's been noted.

Posted by: JoeF. at August 01, 2020 02:20 PM (gtdYu)

369 Yes, I have a couple of Central American spindle whorls that were for cotton. No idea how old they are.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at August 01, 2020 02:21 PM (YynYJ)

370 87 here in shade on my deck, partly cloudy

Posted by: Skip at August 01, 2020 02:22 PM (6f16T)

371 Zinn's book is used in high schools not necessarily snuck in in other works.



Is 1619 "widespread?" What is the metric here?





Posted by: blaster at August 01, 2020 01:31 PM (ZfRYq)

See, for instance, Gov. Coonman's diktat that it will be taught starting this year to all kindergartners in public schools in Virginia.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at August 01, 2020 02:23 PM (nAiE/)

372 "... they brought with them a set of values: a work ethos, respect for law
and property, regard for the family, the ability to plan and organize,
etc." J Guevara


imo that is still accepted by a strong majority, across all races/ethnicities. This is why the left (and DeepState?) has regressed toward racism and hate for "the other". They have to conjure up demons from the past, to incite a tribal response, since so many of the real "inequalities" have been erased.

Inequality now is coming from above in the form of censorship of "conservatives" (those that would conserve Americanism). The Google New Normal intends to impose a global communism on us, from their shadow banning lair. (your history is racist, relinquish your property, self reliance is racism, etc.) China has their fifty cent army, the American left has similar army of Karens ... but also the help of BigMoneyOligarchs, WokeKorp, and DeepState.

Posted by: illiniwek at August 01, 2020 02:24 PM (Cus5s)

373 Herman Cain's death was a shocker.

PDB's should publicly acknowledge the dichotomy and adjust all Covid policy in deference to those vulnerable and those not vulnerable.


Posted by: Braenyard at August 01, 2020 02:05 PM (QPcUQ)

Cain's death was bad--aside from the fact that he was a good man and he will be missed.

It was also bad timing because it occurred during the Lewis Funeralpalooza when everyone saw the elites packed into Church like sardines.

ALL the news report HAD to say that Cain was seen without a mask at a Trump rally.

Posted by: JoeF. at August 01, 2020 02:26 PM (gtdYu)

374 There must be serious infighting behind the scenes. Val Demings--in my opinion--would be the most formidable. But Kamala's people must be putting a lot of pressure on Biden's handlers.
Isn't Harris the choice of the Obama's?
Posted by: JoeF.

Nikki Minaj !

Posted by: JT at August 01, 2020 02:26 PM (arJlL)

375 Highly recommended, for anyone seeking an understanding of the economic side of the Nazi catastrophe, is "Wages of Destruction" by Alan Tooze.
Posted by: rhomboid at August 01, 2020 01:59 PM (OTzUX)

===

This book is indispensable for understanding Nazi ecocomic policy.

National Socialism was incoherent not only as political philosophy but also as economic policy.

The "red" socialist elements withint the NSDAP were purged along with the Strassers before the seizure of power.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 01, 2020 02:26 PM (JvZF+)

376 Zinn's book is used in high schools not necessarily snuck in in other works.
Is 1619 "widespread?" What is the metric here?


Posted by: blaster at August 01, 2020 01:31 PM (ZfRYq)

If it's not widespread, it's because its still new.

Give it time.

Posted by: JoeF. at August 01, 2020 02:27 PM (gtdYu)

377 Deplorable Jay Guevara

are you dates + 200 years in your comment?

Posted by: NaCly Dog at August 01, 2020 02:28 PM (u82oZ)

378 355
Spanish speakers or cultural Hispanics should vote for the winners here, not the Commie Dems. They supposedly left that crap behind to come here.
Posted by: clutch at August 01, 2020 02:10 PM (9UmRs)
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Oh, I agree. That should definitely be the outreach made to Meso-Americans in particular. But the GOP is stupid.


Posted by: Margarita DeVille at August 01, 2020 02:29 PM (M/9m0)

379 368---Vizquel is from Venezuela I believe, but yes, it;s true and it's been noted.
Posted by: JoeF. at August 01, 2020 02:20 PM (gtdYu)
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So was Luis Aparicio.

(I was talking about both Venezuela and Colombia.)

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at August 01, 2020 02:31 PM (M/9m0)

380 But the GOP is stupid.
Margarita DeVille

You could bulldozes this with letters 1,000 miles long on the Moon, and they still woud not get it.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at August 01, 2020 02:33 PM (u82oZ)

381 Posted by: Margarita DeVille at August 01, 2020 02:29 PM (M/9m0)

What do Meso Americans think of Republicans?

Posted by: clutch at August 01, 2020 02:34 PM (9UmRs)

382 368---Vizquel is from Venezuela I believe, but yes, it;s true and it's been noted.
Posted by: JoeF. at August 01, 2020 02:20 PM (gtdYu)
--------------------------
So was Luis Aparicio.

(I was talking about both Venezuela and Colombia.)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at August 01, 2020 02:31 PM (M/9m0)

I was just looking it up--there are A LOT more (current) Venezuelan MLB players than I realized.

Posted by: JoeF. at August 01, 2020 02:34 PM (gtdYu)

383 Everywhere I read about this 1619 is about every Public Leftist Seminary can't wait to get it in front of students.

Posted by: Skip at August 01, 2020 02:35 PM (6f16T)

384 Yep, Miguel Cabrera on my team is Venezuelan.

Posted by: clutch at August 01, 2020 02:36 PM (9UmRs)

385 But it's hard to imagine a Nazi war criminal on the lam taking on a role with any public visibility.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 01, 2020 01:47 PM (YqDXo)

===

Yeah, like president of the Bundesbank.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 01, 2020 02:37 PM (JvZF+)

386 In memoriam to Herman Cain.

Cain rocks Bill Clinton in debate:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdLGKRBJ_0E

Posted by: Braenyard at August 01, 2020 02:39 PM (QPcUQ)

387 Yeah, like president of the Bundesbank.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 01, 2020 02:37 PM (JvZF+)


Which one?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 01, 2020 02:41 PM (YqDXo)

388 354---
Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 01, 2020 02:10 PM (1g7ch)
---------------------------------
When I first came to the US, the "Hispanic" designation had not yet caught on.
You had "chicanos," i.e., Mexican-Americans; you had Puerto Ricans (mostly Nuyoricans); you had Cubans.
Anyone else was just a regular immigrant.

I was not an oppressed minority when I applied to college. But my children were! And their father is 100% English/German/Dutch!

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at August 01, 2020 02:42 PM (M/9m0)

389 Yep, Miguel Cabrera on my team is Venezuelan.
Posted by: clutch at August 01, 2020 02:36 PM (9UmRs)


Jose Altuve too.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 01, 2020 02:42 PM (YqDXo)

390 >> But the GOP is stupid.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille

You could bulldozes this with letters 1,000 miles long on the Moon, and they still would not get it.

Posted by: NaCly Dog


At some point it's not ignorance.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 01, 2020 02:45 PM (ysmsf)

391 Yeah, Venezuela has produced some great ones.

The Caribbean coast of SA is culturally more like the islands than like Mexico or Andean lands.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at August 01, 2020 02:51 PM (M/9m0)

392 Places in the Heart is realistic?

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at August 01, 2020 02:57 PM (fU1ci)

393 CATURDAY NOOD

Posted by: Skip at August 01, 2020 03:03 PM (6f16T)

394 Missed opportunity

There were two routes from the east coast to the CA gold rush; One was cross country, the other was by ship around South America and up to CA.

An entrepreneur could have set up one ship to Columbia and another from the western cost to CA.

too many Indians?

Posted by: Braenyard at August 01, 2020 03:06 PM (QPcUQ)

395 394 Missed opportunity

There were two routes from the east coast to the CA gold rush; One was cross country, the other was by ship around South America and up to CA.

An entrepreneur could have set up one ship to Columbia and another from the western cost to CA.

too many Indians?
Posted by: Braenyard at August 01, 2020 03:06 PM (QPcUQ)
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Oh, they did that! Colombia/Panama, Nicaragua.
Gazaway Bugg Lamar! And others.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at August 01, 2020 03:10 PM (M/9m0)

396 Barack Obama being elected President twice, Oprah Winfrey having her own TV Network, and at least a million other examples disprove the "1619" story the fraud with weird hair coloring moved her bowels to create.

Posted by: setnaffa at August 01, 2020 03:30 PM (eaJqd)

397 Gazaway Bugg Lamar, what a name!

Couldn't find anything associating him with the gold rush or transit to CA but considering his life, why not?

goggled his name and california gold rush and came up with a page of slave articles. The techs are going to change the world if Trump doesn't bust them up.

Posted by: Braenyard at August 01, 2020 03:31 PM (QPcUQ)

398 C-Span showing the Barr travesty, Zoe is a piece of work, going on how the peaceful WoMs are being tear gassed.

Posted by: Skip at August 01, 2020 03:34 PM (6f16T)

399 California gold and fire on mountain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uMWbZj-gWg

Posted by: Braenyard at August 01, 2020 03:37 PM (QPcUQ)

400 townhall.com/dems to covid patients avoid hydroxychloroquine
(and) smoke pot ( its a cure according to Nanzi)
https://tinyurl.com/y4r9h4b8

Posted by: Skip at August 01, 2020 03:37 PM (6f16T)

401 Anyone have any guidance for us?

===

The face shield protects the wearer from droplets.

If you sneeze it should be into a tissue or the crook of your arm sleeve

Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 01, 2020 02:14 PM (JvZF+)

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So remove the face shield to sneeze into the atmosphere.

Got it.

Posted by: Charles Darwin Doing the Humpty Dance on the Interstate at August 01, 2020 03:48 PM (Mu2Ln)

402 > Gazaway Bugg Lamar, what a name!


I'm thinking of the Danish captain in one of the Aubrey/Maturin books, Ole Bugge.

It was only on the second or third reading that I realized that if you pronounced that with a Cockney British accent it would sound like "Holy Bugger".

O'Brian was a sly dog.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia (kneels to no one on this Earth) at August 01, 2020 03:48 PM (unn44)

403 As millions face their first weekend without extended unemployment benefits, Republican senators are at home and Trump is playing golf.

Posted by: In the real world at August 01, 2020 04:40 PM (5Zt1F)

404 Yeah no free money sucks doesn't it?

Posted by: Skip at August 01, 2020 04:44 PM (6f16T)

405 C-Span showing the Barr travesty, Zoe is a piece of work, going on how the peaceful WoMs are being tear gassed.
Posted by: Skip at August 01, 2020 03:34 PM (6f16T)

They beat a new phrase to death, these people.

How many times did we hear that the protesters were simply "moms and veterans."
And even if that were true--and it's not--is everyone who ever bore a child or served in uniform unassailable?

Posted by: JoeF. at August 01, 2020 04:51 PM (gtdYu)

406 Should seriously consider getting a job if the $600 is that important to them

Posted by: weirdflunky at August 01, 2020 04:54 PM (cknjq)

407 Oh noes! Summer vacation's over.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 01, 2020 05:01 PM (yQpMk)

408 As millions face their first weekend without extended unemployment benefits

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Thank goodness we maybe possibly potentially slowed down a cold virus that only kills 0.26 of 1% of the people who even know they have it with the destruction of the economy and loss of something like $16T in wealth.

WORTH IT!

Posted by: Charles Darwin - CDC says COVID takes 15 min for exposure - More realistic is it spreads through poo at August 01, 2020 05:10 PM (7NCzG)

409 Love BB King

Posted by: SOMEASSHOLESTOLEMYPEN at August 04, 2020 12:01 AM (uD/E1)

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