Do The Limits Of Free Speech Extend To Molotov Cocktails?

As distasteful as flag burning is, if a protester wants to burn an American flag, then have at it. And if a protester wants to burn a cross, well, that's offensive, but the whole point of free speech laws is to protect offensive speech, not pathetic bromides spouted by smarmy fools.

But...there is a line, and a burning Molotov cocktail is clearly across that line. There is no purpose for a gasoline bomb other than destruction, and that is not protected by our natural and God-given right to speak freely.

Protester claims lighting Molotov cocktail protected by First Amendment

The federal government says it was arson. The protester charged with igniting a Molotov cocktail outside the District of Columbia police station during the recent race riots says it is protected First Amendment speech.
Jarrett Jeremy Pace, on the night he set the fire, had said on Facebook he wanted to “burn a 12 station to the ground!” The number “12” is street slang for police.
But now, Mr. Pace argues in federal district court he was speaking metaphorically, that he actually tossed the firebomb on the street near the Fourth District police station rather than at it, and that his action was not meant to burn the station but rather to express solidarity with George Floyd and protesters in Minneapolis.

Let's give his lawyer some credit for an interesting defense!

But it also illuminates the Left's profound misunderstanding of speech. The saying that "Our violence is speech....your speech is violence" is unfortunately an accurate portrayal of their belief. Even Brandenburg v. Ohio isn't going to protect him, because that burning Molotov cocktail isn't advocacy, it is a clear and unambiguous threat. Well...hopefully, because if our youthful miscreant gets the right judge, he might just get off.

It's an interesting question though. Personally, I am a fan of uninhibited speech, because the quotation from Justice Brandeis is more true than ever..."Sunlight is said to be the best of disinfectants." But that's not what the Left wants. Their speech is intended to shroud their true purpose in layers of obfuscation, and that is protected by a compliant media.

Imagine if the true origins and intentions of BLM and ANTIFA were the topics of discussion on the evening news and the Sunday talk shows and were the subject of journalists' investigations, rather than what we have today...a concerted effort to limit speech about the reality of those organizations.

Posted by: CBD at 12:00 PM

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1 Hey a First!

Posted by: Skip at July 19, 2020 12:01 PM (6f16T)

2 My speech is violins

--Itzhak Perlman

Posted by: Kindltot at July 19, 2020 12:01 PM (WyVLE)

3 Firstly

Posted by: Regnad Kcin at July 19, 2020 12:01 PM (BNR2u)

4 since you can get a Federal sentence for carrying gasoline in a glass container without flame, then probably I would say no.

Except for judges making special rules for special people.

Posted by: Kindltot at July 19, 2020 12:02 PM (WyVLE)

5 Corgis called

At some point a weapon of destruction is no longer a protest

Posted by: Skip at July 19, 2020 12:03 PM (6f16T)

6 If that kind of violence gets accepted as free speech, it's going to be a bloody second half of the summer.

Posted by: Advo at July 19, 2020 12:03 PM (SEqlD)

7 You mean trying to immolate you isn't *free speech*?
How shortsighted you are...
/sarc

Posted by: AZ deplorably isolated at July 19, 2020 12:04 PM (gtatv)

8 Did you get a burn permit for that cross and flag?

Posted by: Fire Marshall at July 19, 2020 12:04 PM (1g7ch)

9 Sitting here looking at 1000 speech cartriges. Not too worried.

Posted by: Menack at July 19, 2020 12:04 PM (buTO7)

10 Yeah, the way firebombs are treated has always confused me. For years you have seen Korean and other foreign riot police just take it when firebombs are thrown into their ranks. To me, that calls for the grape. If you want to be discriminate, use a sniper.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 19, 2020 12:04 PM (yQpMk)

11 Also.. not speaking is also violence, these days!

Up is down and down is up!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at July 19, 2020 12:06 PM (CjFDo)

12 But you know the MSM and Democrat leaders have done exactly as this lawyer has done, called destructive riots 'peaceful protests'.

Posted by: Skip at July 19, 2020 12:06 PM (6f16T)

13 Great post, especially that last paragraph.

Posted by: Summer of Love at July 19, 2020 12:06 PM (FJrl0)

14 5 Corgis called

At some point a weapon of destruction is no longer a protest
Posted by: Skip at July 19, 2020 12:03 PM (6f16T)

OK, so if this was a gun, and he said those words and brandished it, then took a shot at the building.

What would the charges be?

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 19, 2020 12:07 PM (NgKpN)

15 I think he ended up in the minority but Clarence Thomas does not believe that cross burning is speech, he thinks it's a threat of physical violence.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 19, 2020 12:07 PM (gd9RK)

16 I have said here many times the first amendment is the most misunderstood part of the constitution. And there is no judge in the country that will rule arson is free speech. Except maybe an Obama judge.

Posted by: Vic at July 19, 2020 12:07 PM (mpXpK)

17 Nothing good happens when you get an infestation of George Soros backed DAs deciding when and against whom to enforce the law.

Posted by: Old Dude at July 19, 2020 12:07 PM (LGXGf)

18 Excitable boy, that's all

Posted by: Hands at July 19, 2020 12:07 PM (786Ro)

19 "mostly peaceful"

Posted by: Hands at July 19, 2020 12:07 PM (786Ro)

20 I wonder if I can stand on a New York City street and burn a BLM flag. Or a Rainbow flag.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 19, 2020 12:08 PM (V2Yro)

21 That is a question on the local news (that allows comments). Hundreds of comments about allowing the city streets to be painted by "protestors". No one likes it, so it seems. All are asking where are the city administrators and why don't they care....Because they are scared shitless by BLM! even though they are mostly black city employees.

Posted by: Colin at July 19, 2020 12:08 PM (1BIQV)

22 Is Portland burning?

Posted by: BignJames at July 19, 2020 12:08 PM (X/Pw5)

23 Speaking of free speech...does Trump have any rally dates scheduled? We need him back out there. Fox pushes 24/7 how he is fading and SO far behind Biden (BS)

Posted by: AnnaS at July 19, 2020 12:08 PM (l4l/z)

24 Hiya Cbd !

Its hotter than Bluefookin'blazes here.....

Posted by: JT at July 19, 2020 12:09 PM (arJlL)

25 I am not certain, but even an unlit molotov will get you years in federal PMITA for possession of a destructive device. Not unlike possession of an unlit pipe bomb. Or any other bomb.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 19, 2020 12:09 PM (1g7ch)

26 Brought forward from the book thread.

Which reminds me, very few murderers and general ne'er-do-wells own books.
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This merits research. One wonder's about The George Floyd Collection. Will it be sold at auction? Enshrined at the Smithsonian? Possibly donated to the Obama Library?
Posted by: Mike Hammer

My half-baked theory: Reading books brings you out of yourself to people and places incognito (as much of the art work on the book thread demonstrates). When you abandon yourself to yourself, you have plenty of time to stew about how unfair life is toward you.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 19, 2020 12:10 PM (+y/Ru)

27 And there is no judge in the country that will rule arson is free speech. Except maybe an Obama judge.

You misspelled "Gorsuch."

JK. Maybe.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at July 19, 2020 12:10 PM (qc+VF)

28 Sure. It's free speech as long as the guy speaking doesn't throw it. Just stand there and way it around. We'll watch.

Popcorn anyone?

Posted by: Diogenes at July 19, 2020 12:10 PM (axyOa)

29 Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at July 19, 2020 12:10 PM (CjFDo)

30 Is Portland burning?
Posted by: BignJames at July 19, 2020 12:08 PM

Every night, 52 days running.

Posted by: Skip at July 19, 2020 12:11 PM (6f16T)

31 55 gallon drum of acetone, and a stolen street sweeper . . . .
Posted by: Kindltot at July 19, 2020 11:55 AM (WyVLE)

This court case exists only because the cops failed to do their duty, and shoot the perp dead the instant he set light to the bottle.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 19, 2020 12:11 PM (8vQLu)

32 I wonder if I can stand on a New York City street and burn a BLM flag. Or a Rainbow flag.
Posted by: Tom Servo

If ya burn a rainbow flag, ya won't hafta worry about gettin' hit with a weedwhacker. (If you catch my drift)

Posted by: JT at July 19, 2020 12:11 PM (arJlL)

33 My half-baked theory: Reading books brings you out of yourself to people and places incognito (as much of the art work on the book thread demonstrates). When you abandon yourself to yourself, you have plenty of time to stew about how unfair life is toward you.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 19, 2020 12:10 PM (+y/Ru)

That's a good theory.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 19, 2020 12:11 PM (axyOa)

34 I still maintain that the Right succeeds to extent that they can explain their intentions, the Left to the extent that they can conceal theirs.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 19, 2020 12:11 PM (yQpMk)

35 Remember when protesting *near* an abortion mill was the greatest crime against human rights?

Is it still against the law to be within 60 feet or whatever it was of one?

Posted by: 18-1 at July 19, 2020 12:11 PM (qlFIA)

36 Death penalty for this asshole, and his lawyer. No mercy for the left.

Posted by: Chris M at July 19, 2020 12:11 PM (6XZdO)

37 I'm all for free speech but the left is not. They can't win a battle of ideas so instead they try to change the rules by changing the plain meaning of words.

Defund the police doesn't really mean defund the police you crazy right-wingers.

antifa is against fascism. It right there in the name and everything.

Do you know the official name the fascists in East Germany gave their wall? The Anti-Fascist Protection Rampart. Because of course it was.

Free speech only works with honest people, not leftists.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 19, 2020 12:12 PM (ZLI7S)

38 In the most racially tolerant country on earth with the lowest poverty rate and the highest standard of living for all of it's people.

Fuck these liars.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at July 19, 2020 12:13 PM (3z0gk)

39 I'm fed up with this shit and don't think I'm alone in this opinion. The terrorists could well be jumping the shark and pulling on Superman's cape.

Posted by: dingbat at July 19, 2020 12:13 PM (PMMrm)

40 Sorry for the copy/paste fail.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 19, 2020 12:13 PM (8vQLu)

41 It's interesting that people like this never have a photo on the news stories. The couple in MO defending property - their picture was all over the place. But Mr. Pace and his ilk's visual presentation is always hid from the public.

Posted by: DrEviler at July 19, 2020 12:14 PM (/movR)

42 Free speech only works with honest people, not leftists.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 19, 2020 12:12 PM (ZLI7S)

Like locks, then?

Posted by: BignJames at July 19, 2020 12:14 PM (X/Pw5)

43 Free speech only works with honest people, not leftists. ***
Civilization only works with honest people, not leftists.

Posted by: Old Dude at July 19, 2020 12:14 PM (LGXGf)

44 Cross Burning is not protected by that ruling of SCOTUS per se. If it was done to "intimidate" someone or some people it is not protected but the State must give evidence that it was done with the intent to intimidate.

Posted by: Vic at July 19, 2020 12:14 PM (mpXpK)

45 https://bit.ly/2WvchRd
********
Woman Paints Over Black Lives Matter Mural in NYC, Shouts 'Bill de Blasio Doesn't Care About Black People!' District Herald

Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at July 19, 2020 12:15 PM (1Dmt5)

46 Is Portland burning?

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Mayor Sissypants:

Mayor Ted Wheeler@tedwheeler
Earlier today I directed that staff who are part of federal agency operations are no longer allowed to co-locate with the police bureau's incident command. While sharing a space helped facilitate clear communication,

. . . .
based on recent actions by federal law enforcement officers I am not comfortable having them in our space.

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A bunch of violent rioters throwing Molotov cocktails, that's fine, but there is a limit.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 19, 2020 12:15 PM (+y/Ru)

47 Yup. Molotovs are across the line.
My personal line? If you burn a copy of the Constitution you become the enemy. The real enemy. As my old sergeant taught me, I will close with you by means of fire and maneuver and destroy you.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 19, 2020 12:15 PM (axyOa)

48 https://bit.ly/3hd0COM
*******
Democrat Conor Lamb's Campaign Manager and Brother Wishes Death on Opponent Sean Parnell

Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at July 19, 2020 12:16 PM (1Dmt5)

49 "Setting a fire in a crowded theater."

I'm sure that a black-robed Hawaiian activist will ensure that the little shit is free to burn again another day.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at July 19, 2020 12:16 PM (3z0gk)

50 Cross Burning is not protected by that ruling of SCOTUS per se. If it was done to "intimidate" someone or some people it is not protected

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It's not inclusive like Molotov cocktail throwing.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 19, 2020 12:17 PM (+y/Ru)

51 By definition most protest is to intimidate someone

Posted by: Skip at July 19, 2020 12:17 PM (6f16T)

52 Lock this piece of shit up and throw away the key.

"Sorry, fella. We lost the key!"

Posted by: Fritz at July 19, 2020 12:17 PM (95j/9)

53 ]i]Is it still against the law to be within 60 feet or whatever it was of one?

Posted by: 18-1

There's ways around it. Like this:

"Baby Lives Matter" painted outside Salt Lake City Planned Parenthood

https://bit.ly/3jlEkw4

Posted by: Hands at July 19, 2020 12:17 PM (786Ro)

54 https://bit.ly/2CqeJl7
*******
EXCLUSIVE: Subpoenaed Illinois Speaker Michael Madigan Connected to Barack Obama, His Mentor Bill Ayers and Mueller Gang Leader Andrew Weissmann

Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at July 19, 2020 12:17 PM (1Dmt5)

55
I'm sure that a black-robed Hawaiian activist will ensure that the little shit is free to burn again another day.
***

And this is exactly what leads to "death squads" in latin American countries. Or a military dictatorship.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 19, 2020 12:17 PM (qlFIA)

56 Speech is a spoken or written word.

Its NOT an action.

When he lit and threw the Cocktail, it's no longer speech.

Just like burning a Flag is NOT speech, its a ACTION.

Supreme Court redefining language has led us to many silly legal places, this is one.

Another is a Farmer growing grain on his own land, to feed his own chickens, is INTERSTATE (ie, between the States) Commerce.

Another is Sex now includes Trannys.

Arms are only non Military Weapons, when to be under Arms, is to be in a Military formation, ready for battle.

By redefining words they have constantly Amended the Constitution, without giving the States or People the ability to weigh in on said change.

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 19, 2020 12:18 PM (NgKpN)

57 I was stationed in Greece and Molotov cocktails were kind of de rigeur in daily student demonstrations. If you threw one and it landed in the street and burned well okay.

If you burned a person or property the Greek riot cops would put the fire out on your head with sticks.

They have no First Amendment there but they had a clear understanding of whether destructive devices are free speech or not.

Posted by: blaster at July 19, 2020 12:19 PM (ZfRYq)

58
Ricochet

Trebuchet

Pinochet

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at July 19, 2020 12:19 PM (3z0gk)

59 Mayor Sissypants:

Mayor Ted Wheeler@tedwheeler

Earlier today I directed that staff who are part of federal agency
operations are no longer allowed to co-locate with the police bureau's
incident command. While sharing a space helped facilitate clear
communication,

. . . .

based on recent actions by federal law enforcement officers I am not comfortable having them in our space.

-

A bunch of violent rioters throwing Molotov cocktails, that's fine, but there is a limit.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 19, 2020 12:15 PM (+y/Ru)

Yup, Mayor Limpwrist would rather have the city burn to the ground and every business destroyed than have OrangeManBad restore order

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 19, 2020 12:19 PM (fjrNc)

60 https://bit.ly/3jgvWxY

Scroll down. There is an enlightening (get it? "Enlightening!) map of two weeks of arson in Portland.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 19, 2020 12:20 PM (+y/Ru)

61 Well said. When Breitbart published their expose of Arabella and its creation of seemingly grassroots activism, people mostly yawned. Now we see secretly funded activism in all its malignant glory. The left pretends that it's a spontaneous thing, but DC knows it's not. Ask yourself why you haven't heard from a lot of billionaires about this rioting? They want to keep their names out of the mix.

Posted by: CN at July 19, 2020 12:21 PM (j5am2)

62 Posted late in the book thread, late enough so that it actually went up after the NOOD was called.

So, here it is anew, and I believe it to be relevant to the conversation:

***

If you've ever seen a parking lot getting a cheaper-than-re-paving coat of Wet Seal, delivered by a truck mounted tank with downward spraying nozzles, then this'll make sense to you.

Just have one such truck make one single pass, the length of that gutter "art" in NYC.

Those trucks are set up to spray a solid coat of liquified tar out to a maximum width of 14 feet. That's the standard width of a U.S. Interstate Highway Lane, IIRC.

One pass, pressure and volume set to max, and let 'er 'rip.

There wouldn't be a spec of yellow paint remaining to be seen.

And all the truck has to do is just keep on drivin' away, after the deed is done, leaving horrified howls of anger and outrage in his wake.

Trick is, have a couple hundred GOOD GUYS to fall in behind the truck at the end of the pass, and keep the mob offa his ass, till he makes good his escape.

The truck can be returned to the jobsite from where it was so generously loaned to the cause, of course.

*evil grin*

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at July 19, 2020 12:21 PM (QzJWU)

63 45 https://bit.ly/2WvchRd
********
Woman Paints Over Black Lives Matter Mural in NYC, Shouts 'Bill de Blasio Doesn't Care About Black People!' District Herald
Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at July 19, 2020 12:15 PM (1Dmt5)

And of course, no Hate crime charge, that's only for White people.

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 19, 2020 12:21 PM (NgKpN)

64 https://bit.ly/2CqeJl7

*******

EXCLUSIVE: Subpoenaed Illinois Speaker Michael Madigan Connected to
Barack Obama, His Mentor Bill Ayers and Mueller Gang Leader Andrew
Weissmann

Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at July 19, 2020 12:17 PM (1Dmt5)

I think it was on Second City Cop that I read that Jabba the Pritzker might be caught in that net too. Better get a bigger net

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 19, 2020 12:21 PM (fjrNc)

65 A Molotov not yet used is a brandished weapon. If the Obama judges rule this OK, then it should be equally OK to paint laser dots on Antifa foreheads.

Posted by: craig at July 19, 2020 12:22 PM (0hwKK)

66 Lighting fire not speech. Mongo know that.

Posted by: klaftern at July 19, 2020 12:22 PM (RuIsu)

67 The truck can be returned to the jobsite from where it was so generously loaned to the cause, of course.

*evil grin*

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at July 19, 2020 12:21 PM (QzJWU)

And then find a few reallllllyyyy old Pillows.

You know, the ones with down in them?

And you could have a New versions of Tar, and Feathers!

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 19, 2020 12:23 PM (NgKpN)

68 think it was on Second City Cop that I read that Jabba the Pritzker might be caught in that net too. Better get a bigger net

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 19, 2020 12:21 PM (fjrNc)***
"It's a white whale, you'll know it when you see it."

Posted by: Old Dude at July 19, 2020 12:23 PM (LGXGf)

69 The primary argument against using force (e.g. exercising our 2nd Amendment rights) has always been that as long as the 1st Amendment was respected and free speech possible -- we still possessed the opportunity to use persuasion to change peoples' minds and save the country.

Once the latter becomes impossible (and we're getting there quickly), the former becomes inevitable. "It's a bold strategy, Cotton, let's see if it pays off for them."

Posted by: ShainS at July 19, 2020 12:23 PM (WqPYg)

70 I think what was decided on cross burning boils down to how it is done. If the KKK gets together in their traditional robes and burns a cross on a black person's property visible by him then that is intimidation and not protected. If they burn a cross out in an empty field in the country in one of their meeting it is protected.

Posted by: Vic at July 19, 2020 12:24 PM (mpXpK)

71 Supreme Court redefining language has led us to many silly legal places, this is one...

Another is Sex now includes Trannys.

They redefined protection for "sex" which clearly meant male or female to include "sexual choice/preference".

So public watermelon fuckers with voluntarily mutilated genitalia are now a protected class, just like women or blacks or the handicapped.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at July 19, 2020 12:24 PM (3z0gk)

72 At one time long ago, cities were trying to get people to move back into the city from the suburbs. Downtown was the place to be, shops, theater, music festivals, its all happening. What happened?

Posted by: Colin at July 19, 2020 12:24 PM (1BIQV)

73
Yup, Mayor Limpwrist would rather have the city burn to the ground and every business destroyed than have OrangeManBad restore order
Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 19, 2020 12:19 PM (fjrNc)

I'm waiting for him to order his cops to go between the rioters and the feds.Facing the feds.

Posted by: Fox2! at July 19, 2020 12:24 PM (qyH+l)

74 Mandatory masks are free speech!!! Stay safe.

Posted by: A Scold of Soviet Karens at July 19, 2020 12:24 PM (EgshT)

75 If we're going to be having a revolution, and our politicians are going to be complicit, then what is and is not allowable "free speech" is rather unimportant.

And yes, in very real ways, it's been unimportant in a lot of ways, in a lot of places for some time now.

I'm sure there will be a time for discussing our concepts of free speech... if we win the war. But we gotta win the war first.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 19, 2020 12:25 PM (hku12)

76
Flag burning is NOT an "expression of free speech". It IS wilful and malicious desecration of our national symbol, and by extension a denial of the country.

I don't want to hear that specious bullshit about it being free speech from those bag licking pencil necks on the SCOTUS bench, either.
Further, I unequivocally refuse to entertain any argument contrary to my position.

Posted by: irongrampa at July 19, 2020 12:25 PM (KATBx)

77 I'm all for the anti-protest protest.

YouTube: https://bit.ly/32viBfn

I've been here 7 years and I gotta tell you guys. What's going on here is about America.

It's about democracy.

It's about the Bill of Rights... and basic cable, call-waiting and free trips to the salad bar!

It's about everything that makes this country great! Our country!

We can do something about this.

We can finally say... that when some people are having a good time, drinking some beers and throwing some meat... that we're not gonna protest.

In fact, I promised myself I wouldn't do this, I'm sorry.

If we could just say that, if only to each other, just this one time, that we're not gonna protest.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at July 19, 2020 12:26 PM (Do5/p)

78 Bet thousands of rioters have been free to riot again by not being booked, just caught and released.

Posted by: Skip at July 19, 2020 12:26 PM (6f16T)

79 Mandatory masks are free speech!!! Stay safe.
Posted by: A Scold of Soviet Karens at July 19, 2020 12:24 PM (EgshT)

As are needle exchanges. And abortions for all.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 19, 2020 12:26 PM (hku12)

80 70 The primary argument against using force (e.g. exercising our 2nd Amendment rights) has always been that as long as the 1st Amendment was respected and free speech possible -- we still possessed the opportunity to use persuasion to change peoples' minds and save the country.

Once the latter becomes impossible (and we're getting there quickly), the former becomes inevitable. "It's a bold strategy, Cotton, let's see if it pays off for them."
Posted by: ShainS at July 19, 2020 12:23 PM (WqPYg)

The Left, which desires to "deplatform" all opposing points of view and strives to have "conversations" which are nothing but one sided lectures, has no idea at all of why what they want is so dangerous. They think like Academics, the ones who always think that they "win" if they control what is said.

but in the real world, when the discussing stops, the shooting starts.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 19, 2020 12:26 PM (V2Yro)

81 Clarence Thomas does not believe that cross burning is speech, he thinks it's a threat of physical violence.

Posted by:�Bandersnatch�at July 19, 2020 12:07 PM (gd9RK)

I didn't know that....interesting.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 19, 2020 12:26 PM (dLLD6)

82 Clarence Thomas also opined that mandatory drug tests in public schools were absolutely not a violation of the 4th Amendment.

I don't trust ANY of them.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at July 19, 2020 12:28 PM (3z0gk)

83 Do The Limits Of Free Speech Extend To Molotov Enemas?

Posted by: freaked at July 19, 2020 12:28 PM (Tnijr)

84 I think there's a group of people calling themselves Operation Paint Drop in NYC who are dedicated to vandalizing the totalitarian-racist graffiti ("BLM"). A small, tiny, ray of hope.

Like Jim, I've wondered why there haven't been vehicular attacks on the graffitti. One by Trump Tower would be tricky, too many cameras, too much "heat", but in other places, seems like an obvious idea (some form of spilling paint or something to obscure the vile racist garbage officially permitted).

Posted by: rhomboid at July 19, 2020 12:28 PM (OTzUX)

85 75 Mandatory masks are free speech!!! Stay safe.
Posted by: A Scold of Soviet Karens at July 19, 2020 12:24 PM (EgshT)

I'm waiting for the GREAT Unmasking.

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 19, 2020 12:28 PM (NgKpN)

86 Assholes lighting molotov cocktails are armed insurrectionists engaged in offensive action, and should be shot. Preferably before they toss it, but mid-throw or afterwards works too.

Posted by: eastofsuez at July 19, 2020 12:28 PM (U2zca)

87 The land of the crazy....

AP: Oregon's attorney general is seeking an order to stop federal agents
from arresting people in Portland as the city continues to be convulsed
by nightly protests that have gone on for seven weeks and have now
pitted local officials against the Trump administration.

Posted by: Colin at July 19, 2020 12:29 PM (1BIQV)

88 'Sup, y'all?

Posted by: Weasel at July 19, 2020 12:29 PM (MVjcR)

89 71 I think what was decided on cross burning boils down to how it is done. If the KKK gets together in their traditional robes and burns a cross on a black person's property visible by him then that is intimidation and not protected. If they burn a cross out in an empty field in the country in one of their meeting it is protected.
Posted by: Vic at July 19, 2020 12:24 PM (mpXpK)

what if one of us hangs a Noose from a tree in our front yard?

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 19, 2020 12:29 PM (V2Yro)

90 79

Bet thousands of rioters have been free to riot again by not being booked, just caught and released.

Posted by: Skip at July 19, 2020 12:26 PM

Aww, pish posh. I bet they behaved just like terrorists that we release. Instead of going right back to their terror cells, you know they saw the error of their ways, made the decision to "turn their lives around" and were model citizens going forward, big contributors to their communities.

I mean, that's what the Left always says, right?

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at July 19, 2020 12:29 PM (Do5/p)

91 I'd like to buy a watermelon.

Uh, yes, a virgin watermelon. Unused, please.

Modern times.

Posted by: klaftern at July 19, 2020 12:29 PM (RuIsu)

92 Flag burning is NOT an "expression of free speech". It IS wilful and
malicious desecration of our national symbol, and by extension a denial
of the country.

Agreed.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at July 19, 2020 12:30 PM (EgshT)

93 Weasel just talking about the prospects of the need for ammo

Posted by: Skip at July 19, 2020 12:30 PM (6f16T)

94 IANAL, but I think he can light it all he wants to. Once it comes into contact with any other object, that's when the can't-do-that would kick in.

Posted by: m at July 19, 2020 12:30 PM (Iqg+g)

95 Let not your heart be troubled.

If they get their way - not only will the sacred symbols not get burned - you'll get to express your loyalty 24 / 7 / 365. And enjoy the public punishment of any foolish enough to disagree.

There will be songs and symbols and pledges and parades up our collective asses. You'll be marinating in patriotism.
Posted by: No Thanks at July 19, 2020 12:29 PM (y1gYQ)

Burning a flag is free speech.

Painting over a BLM sign in the street? Hate crime.

Square the circle?

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 19, 2020 12:30 PM (NgKpN)

96 4 since you can get a Federal sentence for carrying gasoline in a glass container without flame, then probably I would say no.

Except for judges making special rules for special people.
Posted by: Kindltot at July 19, 2020 12:02 PM (WyVLE)

I did not know that.

Posted by: m at July 19, 2020 12:31 PM (Iqg+g)

97 90 what if one of us hangs a Noose from a tree in our front yard?

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 19, 2020 12:29 PM (V2Yro)

I don't think the law dogs are going after that, but I am sure some of those radical blacks will feel free to burn your house down.

Posted by: Vic at July 19, 2020 12:31 PM (mpXpK)

98 82 Clarence Thomas does not believe that cross burning is speech, he thinks it's a threat of physical violence.

Posted by:Bandersnatch at July 19, 2020 12:07 PM (gd9RK)

I didn't know that....interesting.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 19, 2020 12:26 PM (dLLD6)

Is he the only member of SCOTUS who has actually seen the Klan burning a cross?

Posted by: Fox2! at July 19, 2020 12:31 PM (qyH+l)

99 Three generations of imbeciles are enough

Posted by: x at July 19, 2020 12:31 PM (nFwvY)

100 Weasel just talking about the prospects of the need for ammo
Posted by: Skip at July 19, 2020 12:30 PM (6f16T)
------
The need is real. Buy ammo. Do not wait until you need ammo to buy ammo.

Posted by: Weasel at July 19, 2020 12:32 PM (MVjcR)

101 Feds have been begging for trouble in Portland since the DHS/ICE offices were menaced, blocked, etc. and nothing was done. Just one of the inexplicably stupid things done/not done by DHS the past few years. Reaping what was sown.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 19, 2020 12:32 PM (OTzUX)

102 AP: Oregon's attorney general is seeking an order to stop federal agents from arresting people in Portland as the city continues to be convulsed by nightly protests that have gone on for seven weeks and have now pitted local officials against the Trump administration.
Posted by: Colin at July 19, 2020 12:29 PM (1BIQV)

LOL - I guess no one ever told him that Federal Agents have jurisdiction inside every inch of the United States, and it's territories.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 19, 2020 12:32 PM (V2Yro)

103 I found a noose in the Molotov cocktail.

Posted by: Bubba Karen-Wallace at July 19, 2020 12:32 PM (EgshT)

104 58

Ricochet

Trebuchet

Pinochet

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at July 19, 2020 12:19 PM (3z0gk)

___________

"What are three ways to launch an object, Alex?"

"What are a hopper, a topper, and a dropper?" -- Carnac the Magnificent

Posted by: ShainS at July 19, 2020 12:32 PM (WqPYg)

105 94 Flag burning is NOT an "expression of free speech". It IS wilful and
malicious desecration of our national symbol, and by extension a denial
of the country.

Agreed.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at July 19, 2020 12:30 PM (EgshT)

the whole redefinition of Actions are Speech, is the problem.

They are not. Speech is words, written or spoken.

You Action may be symbolic, but its still an action, and not Speech.

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 19, 2020 12:32 PM (NgKpN)

106 Burning a flag is free speech.

Painting over a BLM sign in the street? Hate crime.

Square the circle?

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 19, 2020 12:30 PM

Want to get legislation that bans flag burning? Start burning Chinese, Iranian, Palestinian, and rainbow flags at protests.

Posted by: Bert G, new podisode at July 19, 2020 12:33 PM (OMsf+)

107 "Mostly peaceful Molotov Cocktail"

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at July 19, 2020 12:33 PM (3z0gk)

108 Just remember, if you shoot one of the protected class you will go to jail! Until the civil war breaks out, then its every person for themselves.

Posted by: Colin at July 19, 2020 12:34 PM (1BIQV)

109 105
I found a noose in the Molotov cocktail.

Posted by: Bubba Karen-Wallace at July 19, 2020 12:32 PM (EgshT)

__________

"Hey, you got Molotov cocktail in my noose!"

Posted by: ShainS at July 19, 2020 12:34 PM (WqPYg)

110 Burning a flag is free speech.

Painting over a BLM sign in the street? Hate crime.

Square the circle?
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 19, 2020 12:30 PM (NgKpN)

The privilege of power. I can trample your rights because I can. You can't trample mine because you can't.

It has nothing to do with what is or is not, a right.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 19, 2020 12:34 PM (hku12)

111 Portland Moms acting like their own spoiled brats.
https://tinyurl.com/y49gl43n

"Feds stay clear
Moms are here"
Personally, I'd go with:

"Moms be quiet
Go on a diet".

Posted by: pep at July 19, 2020 12:34 PM (v16oJ)

112 Burn a rainbow flag and all ambiguous hell will break loose.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at July 19, 2020 12:34 PM (EgshT)

113

OT: Last night I checked Accuweather and The Weather Channel. Both showed rain this morning from about 3am to 5am and clear the rest of the day. It started to rain at about 6am and now it looks like a monsoon out there. They can't get the weather right a few hours in advance but they can guarantee global warming will kill us all in 10 years. Must be nice to be an expert

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 19, 2020 12:35 PM (Ty/7D)

114 Imagine if the true origins and intentions of BLM and ANTIFA were the topics of discussion on the evening news and the Sunday talk shows

Heck, the democrat party can't even articulate its platform or it would be the exact same.

Good afternoon, all.

Posted by: Russkilitlover at July 19, 2020 12:35 PM (99Nt9)

115 The insurrection currently underway is the work of political and legal operatives that have no fear of any retribution. They are, in effect, above the law (such that it is.)

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 19, 2020 12:35 PM (3H9h1)

116 97

Burning a flag is free speech.

Painting over a BLM sign in the street? Hate crime.

Square the circle?

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 19, 2020 12:30 PM

Isn't burning any flag, except for the American flag, considered a "hate crime".

--- Rainbow alphabet soup flag
--- "Palestine" flag
--- "Black Lives Matter" flag

All those are considered "hate crimes" against those particular groups represented by the flag, right?

Yet, burning the American flag, which represents all Americans, isn't considered "hate".

I bet if anyone burned the Thin Blue Line flag, or the Gadsden flag, the Left would consider that free speech as well.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at July 19, 2020 12:35 PM (Do5/p)

117 Trick is, have a couple hundred GOOD GUYS to fall in behind the truck at the end of the pass, and keep the mob offa his ass, till he makes good his escape.

This is important as those trucks are not my first choice for a high speed escape.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 19, 2020 12:35 PM (axyOa)

118 Is a Mazel Tov cocktail a Manischevitz spritzer?

Posted by: Captain Obvious, of the sloop John B. at July 19, 2020 12:35 PM (UAMe5)

119 Is he the only member of SCOTUS who has actually seen the Klan burning a cross?
Posted by: Fox2! at July 19, 2020 12:31 PM (qyH+l)

Maybe the only one who saw it outside the circle. He didn't get the RSVP. They rest may have.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 19, 2020 12:35 PM (1g7ch)

120
"Jarrett Jeremy "Spaz" Pace ...actually tossed the firebomb on the street near the Fourth District police station..."

-----

His defense is that he threw an object at a building and missed. An entire building. He meant to miss. Sure.

If his current defense strategy doesn't pan out, he can fall back on the lifelong trauma of being given the name of a smarmy little faggot.

These 'revolutionaries' are not the dedicated type prepared to pay the price. They're role-players whose actions are predicated on believing that nothing will actually happen to them.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at July 19, 2020 12:36 PM (t5m5e)

121 One thing to remember about the SOTUS ruling on flag burning is that it occurred in 1989 during a period when the liberals held a large majority on the court, and even then it was a 5/4 decision. I think if it were retried now we would have a different outcome.

Posted by: Vic at July 19, 2020 12:36 PM (mpXpK)

122 Posted by: Colin at July 19, 2020 12:29 PM (1BIQV)

LOL - I guess no one ever told him that Federal Agents have jurisdiction inside every inch of the United States, and it's territories.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 19, 2020 12:32 PM (V2Yro)

If Trump wins in November, states will secede.

I'm sure of it.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 19, 2020 12:36 PM (hku12)

123 We're past the point that any imaginable outrage or excess could be clarifying, or actually change anything, but it would be at least amusing if a federal "court" ordered the government to stop performing its basic duties re law and order in Portland. Of course no federal judge, however lawless and idiotic, would do that, if only because *they* would then be vulnerable. But I'm confident DOJ would meekly comply.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 19, 2020 12:36 PM (OTzUX)

124 48 https://bit.ly/3hd0COM
*******
Democrat Conor Lamb's Campaign Manager and Brother Wishes Death on Opponent Sean Parnell
Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at July 19, 2020 12:16 PM (1Dmt5)

Was hoping for a national divorce--or even one State would just go rogue and say fuck the Mask, we be a nation-State of free people. Adios you Western Europe wannabee/CCP cock sucking traitors.....or some thing like that.

Guess those relatively peaceful options are rapidly disappearing. When one of these leftist assholeS finally acts out his murdering fantasies then it will be Open Season . No limit.

Posted by: Voter theater. at July 19, 2020 12:37 PM (aibhY)

125 Feds stay clear
Moms are here"
Personally, I'd go with:

"Moms be quiet
Go on a diet".
Posted by: pep

Moms stay back
And shut your yaps!

Posted by: Diogenes at July 19, 2020 12:37 PM (axyOa)

126 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at July 19, 2020 12:38 PM (Zz0t1)

127 'Let's give his lawyer some credit for an interesting defense!"

Yeh, let's give him credit for being cynical. Creative thinking has been the ruination of our judicial system.

Posted by: Wendy at July 19, 2020 12:39 PM (wZWN/)

128 The protester charged with igniting a Molotov cocktail outside the District of Columbia police station during the recent race riots says it is protected First Amendment speech.

Sorry, but they stopped being "race riots" about 5 days after George Floyd was killed.

Now, they're just straight up treasonous domestic terrorists.

Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at July 19, 2020 12:39 PM (Zz0t1)

129 If Trump wins in November, states will secede.

It.moved.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 19, 2020 12:39 PM (yQpMk)

130 I think if it were retried now we would have a different outcome.
Burning the Flag is a tax! - John Roberts

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 19, 2020 12:39 PM (r+sAi)

131
Moms uniteAnd make a sammich

Posted by: That guy who always says... at July 19, 2020 12:40 PM (EgshT)

132 This is important as those trucks are not my first choice for a high speed escape.
Posted by: Diogenes at July 19, 2020 12:35 PM (axyOa)

They do have awesome Pantyfa-squishing chops, though.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 19, 2020 12:40 PM (8vQLu)

133 I'd suggest once you pick up a Molotov cocktail you have promoted yourself from protester to terrorist.

Posted by: Weasel at July 19, 2020 12:41 PM (MVjcR)

134
I had an idea for a new product. A .308 case made with extra metal inside so that it has the internal volume of a.300 Blackout. Better for quiet shooting.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at July 19, 2020 12:41 PM (t5m5e)

135 Democrat Conor Lamb's Campaign Manager and Brother Wishes Death on Opponent Sean Parnell
Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at July 19, 2020 12:16 PM (1Dmt5)

Strange antique salesman sold them a genie in a bottle.
Knowing genies, they'll will probably fast forward in time to see a news account of Parnell passing of old age... then turn to dust themselves.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 19, 2020 12:41 PM (1g7ch)

136 Portland Moms acting like their own spoiled brats.
https://tinyurl.com/y49gl43n

"Feds stay clear
Moms are here"
Personally, I'd go with:

"Moms be quiet
Go on a diet".

Posted by: pep at July 19, 2020 12:34 PM (v16oJ)

The 1st Karen Division takes up position to show who their stupid, obnoxious, brat kids learn from

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 19, 2020 12:41 PM (Ty/7D)

137 Feds stay clear
Moms are here"
Personally, I'd go with:

"Moms be quiet
Go on a diet".
Posted by: pep

Moms stay back
And shut your yaps!

Dem Moms be bitches
Can't make sammiches

Posted by: Hands at July 19, 2020 12:41 PM (786Ro)

138 I had an idea for a new product. A .308 case made with extra metal inside so that it has the internal volume of a.300 Blackout. Better for quiet shooting.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at July 19, 2020 12:41 PM (t5m5e)

The extra metal also makes it automatically more metal.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 19, 2020 12:42 PM (t+qrx)

139
Feds stay clear
Moms are here

Mommy Failed

Brats Get Jailed

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at July 19, 2020 12:43 PM (3z0gk)

140 At one time long ago, cities were trying to get
people to move back into the city from the suburbs. Downtown was the
place to be, shops, theater, music festivals, its all happening. What
happened?

Posted by: Colin at July 19, 2020 12:24 PM (1BIQV)

The inmates are running the asylums/cities

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 19, 2020 12:43 PM (Ty/7D)

141 I had an idea for a new product. A .308 case made with extra metal inside so that it has the internal volume of a.300 Blackout. Better for quiet shooting.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at July 19, 2020 12:41 PM (t5m5e)

I think they used cotton wadding after the powder to fill the void and get better performece.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 19, 2020 12:43 PM (1g7ch)

142 The extra metal also makes it automatically more metal.
Posted by: hogmartin at July 19, 2020 12:42 PM (t+qrx)
-----
Not just any metal. Heavy metal.

Posted by: Weasel at July 19, 2020 12:43 PM (MVjcR)

143 "Moms be quiet
Go on a diet".
Posted by: pep

Moms stay back
And shut your yaps!
Posted by: Diogenes

moms, stop the stunts

Posted by: x at July 19, 2020 12:44 PM (nFwvY)

144 Not just any metal. Heavy metal.

Posted by: Weasel at July 19, 2020 12:43 PM

Tungsten or DU?

Posted by: Bert G, new podisode at July 19, 2020 12:44 PM (OMsf+)

145 If Trump wins in November, states will secede.

I'm sure of it.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 19, 2020 12:36 PM (hku12)

I'd let them. Let's see how you do with no more Social Security, no more Welfare, no more Obamacare. Have at it!

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 19, 2020 12:44 PM (V2Yro)

146 old and busted: It takes a village to raise a child
new hotness: It takes Karen's offspring to raze a city

Posted by: Hands at July 19, 2020 12:45 PM (786Ro)

147 The perp and his lawyer deserve Molotov cocktail enemas.

So too the two NYC lawyers who tried to torch a police car with a Molotov cocktail.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 19, 2020 12:45 PM (Azlxy)

148 Nah, nobody's gonna be "shooting" their way to or away or out from anything, of course. But you should have ammo, if you shoot, just because there are periodic panics, and it's cheaper to buy in bulk.

And "secession" is a quaint notion. States have long ago "seceded" - certain states, on select matters, have been defying, even actively hampering, federal law for years, with total impunity. Immigration, of course. That has actually *increased*, substantially, with Trump in the WH.

No factor in view that will change that, even a little bit. So not much incentive to formally secede, when you can just pick/choose which laws to enforce, which federal prerogatives to respect.

Now don't go thinking that, for a nanosecond, you could defy the feds on imaginary "rights" created by courts. Those, unlike laws passed by Congress, are actually laws that will be enforced instantly and ruthlessly.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 19, 2020 12:45 PM (OTzUX)

149 A molotov cocktail as a method of free speech...
lemme ponder that one a sec.

Not a great leap then to a bullet expressing similar speech. "We didn't want to shoot anyone, we were expressing our rights and fascists got in our way!"

Absurd, yes. But these conversations we are having are from the theater of the absurd, and we all have front row seats.

Posted by: secret squirrel, author of Three LTs of Joint Base Lear MacBeth, a comedic play! on Amazon at July 19, 2020 12:45 PM (xyImL)

150 Not just any metal. Heavy metal.

Posted by: Weasel at July 19, 2020 12:43 PM

Tungsten or DU?
Posted by: Bert G, new podisode at July 19, 2020 12:44 PM (OMsf+)
-----
DU!!

Posted by: Weasel at July 19, 2020 12:45 PM (MVjcR)

151 I'd let them. Let's see how you do with no more Social Security, no more Welfare, no more Obamacare. Have at it!

I picture a larger version of the People's Organic Victory Garden of Chaz.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at July 19, 2020 12:46 PM (3z0gk)

152 Thinking about throwing a Molotov cocktail into my front flower bed. It's completely overgrown with grass. That stuff is tougher to get rid of than Antifa.

Posted by: no good deed at July 19, 2020 12:46 PM (MmFTx)

153 -----
Not just any metal. Heavy metal.
Posted by: Weasel at July 19, 2020 12:43 PM (MVjcR)

You asked for it.

https://youtu.be/NQE1Q1NILfQ

Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at July 19, 2020 12:46 PM (Zz0t1)

154

Moms are dumb sows

Send their brats to the hoosegows

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 19, 2020 12:46 PM (Ty/7D)

155
I think they used cotton wadding after the powder to fill the void and get better performece.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 19, 2020 12:43 PM (1g7ch)

The cotton will compress under pressure and produce extra volume. The .300 concept is absolute minimum volume behind the bullet to maximize efficiency. Also, a puff of atomized cotton could expose one's position like a smoke cloud,

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at July 19, 2020 12:47 PM (t5m5e)

156 If Trump wins in November, states will secede.

I'm sure of it.
Posted by: BurtTC

And give up billions in Federal money? Not so sure about that. Judges have seemed awfully willing to accommodate whatever bat-shit crazy laws the states are passing and not willing to allow the administration to withhold money.

Lots of downside in attempting to succeed and little upside.

If anything they'll just treble and quadruple their efforts to impeach him with even crazy shit.

Who's to say the same cadre of deepstaters aren't already planning something evil?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 19, 2020 12:47 PM (ysmsf)

157 I have in my possession a flag that was intended to be burned.

This occurred at Binghamton University when it was still Harpur College. I ripped it away from a guy with a lighter, poised to ignite it, wrapped it around my shoulders like you do with a towel and defied anyone to take it from me.

NOBODY had the balls to try. Flag is flown each Flag Day with great pride, alongside the one that flies 24/7.

Posted by: irongrampa at July 19, 2020 12:47 PM (KATBx)

158
moms, stop the stunts
Posted by: x at July 19, 2020 12:44 PM (nFwvY)

Moms. Get your bitch asses back in the kitchen

and make me a pie!

Posted by: Eric Cartman at July 19, 2020 12:48 PM (Zz0t1)

159 LI has an article about Cisco employees being fired for questioning the legitimacy of BLM during a company wide call to discuss Cisco efforts to support the black community.

Posted by: Jen the original at July 19, 2020 12:48 PM (QJUYD)

160 Now don't go thinking that, for a nanosecond, you could defy the feds on imaginary "rights" created by courts. Those, unlike laws passed by Congress, are actually laws that will be enforced instantly and ruthlessly.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 19, 2020 12:45 PM (OTzUX)

Note on the Oregon AG - she's actually filed a suit in Federal Court against the Federal actions in Portland; in effect, she is shopping for a Federal Judge who's willing to stick his neck out and assert his own personal authority over the DOJ.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 19, 2020 12:48 PM (V2Yro)

161 Moms that are weak
Create little freaks.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 19, 2020 12:49 PM (r+sAi)

162 I have in my possession a flag that was intended to be burned.

This occurred at Binghamton University when it was still Harpur College. I ripped it away from a guy with a lighter, poised to ignite it, wrapped it around my shoulders like you do with a towel and defied anyone to take it from me.

NOBODY had the balls to try. Flag is flown each Flag Day with great pride, alongside the one that flies 24/7.
Posted by: irongrampa at July 19, 2020 12:47 PM (KATBx)

You're a great American!!!

Posted by: Sean Hannity at July 19, 2020 12:49 PM (Zz0t1)

163 did anyone see what Trump said to Chris Wallace this morning? Wallace asks him about the confederate flag again, and if it is racist etc etc and segues into the controversy about renaming military posts. Trump shoots back, "What, are we gonna rename Ft Bragg after Al Sharpton??"

hahah Trollmaster 11.

Posted by: secret squirrel, author of Three LTs of Joint Base Lear MacBeth, a comedic play! on Amazon at July 19, 2020 12:49 PM (xyImL)

164 moms, let me mansplainal

your little monsters will get anal

Posted by: x at July 19, 2020 12:50 PM (nFwvY)

165 Jen - Gleichschaltung, it's the wave of the present. Sickening.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 19, 2020 12:50 PM (OTzUX)

166 The trick is to shoot the bastard as he is winding up to throw the molotov cocktail.

Then as he does the dance of asses and elbows point and laugh and break out the wieners.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 19, 2020 12:50 PM (Z+IKu)

167 Yo!

Posted by: Yo! at July 19, 2020 12:50 PM (PN+lu)

168 Cisco has gone way off the deep end. We made a conscious decision to never, ever buy from them again.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at July 19, 2020 12:51 PM (EgshT)

169
LI has an article about Cisco employees being fired for questioning the
legitimacy of BLM during a company wide call to discuss Cisco efforts to
support the black community.

Posted by: Jen the original at July 19, 2020 12:48 PM (QJUYD)

Thought crimes are not allowed comrade. All who do will pay a price. And try not to let the current commissars at Cisco know that no one will be spared. They are useful idiots for now

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 19, 2020 12:51 PM (Ty/7D)

170 The thing is we're not facing 'people who want to be left alone.'

We're facing the people who want to ensure you'll never be left alone again at the heel of their boot.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 19, 2020 12:51 PM (ysmsf)

171 Speaking of flag burning, here's an oldie but goodie feel-good story:

https://youtu.be/MzFd8nU4TI8

Posted by: Bert G, new podisode at July 19, 2020 12:51 PM (OMsf+)

172 162
LI has an article about Cisco employees being fired for questioning the
legitimacy of BLM during a company wide call to discuss Cisco efforts to
support the black community.

Posted by: Jen the original at July 19, 2020 12:48 PM (QJUYD)

If it occurred in a "Right To Work" State companies and employers can fire anyone at anytime as long as it does not violate any discrimination laws.

Posted by: Vic at July 19, 2020 12:52 PM (mpXpK)

173
If Trump wins in November, states will secede.

I'm sure of it.
Posted by: BurtTC

--------

Good.

Last time the fucking Democrats flounced, and they were out of the way, we got a transcontinental railroad and Manifest Destiny.

This time we'll get a glittering double-PANAMAX canal, built with their punishment labor, and they won't be allowed back in. Turn them into helots.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 19, 2020 12:52 PM (g5Xlv)

174 LI has an article about Cisco employees being fired for questioning the
legitimacy of BLM during a company wide call to discuss Cisco efforts to
support the black community.

Posted by: Jen the original at July 19, 2020 12:48 PM (QJUYD)[/]

It will be a crime if those people don't sue for wrongful termination. That is NOT a fireable offense unless it's in their signed employee handbook and was agreed upon by the employee.

You can't just make shit up, then fire someone because they didn't like your made up shit.

Posted by: Sean Hannity at July 19, 2020 12:53 PM (Zz0t1)

175 I like the sound of Fort Al Sharpton's Unpaid Tax Liens

Posted by: x at July 19, 2020 12:53 PM (nFwvY)

176 Oops.

Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at July 19, 2020 12:53 PM (Zz0t1)

177 Legal Insurrection has a article up Cisco fired employees for criticism of BLM, somehow say burning a flag is infinitely a less offence.

Posted by: Skip at July 19, 2020 12:53 PM (6f16T)

178
The selective undermining of legal Federal authority was quietly pursued by the Obama administration. The actual authority growing in power is the extra-constitutional power of the ongoing conspiracy. The de facto
Federal power is as absolute or as impotent as they need it to be that day.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at July 19, 2020 12:54 PM (t5m5e)

179 Blue states seceding if PDT wins?

Data from Congressional Research Service's March 2017 report: "Federal Land Ownership: Overview and Data"

45% of California's land area is owned by the United States Federal Gov.

53% of Oregon's land area is owned by the United States Federal Gov.

I'm guessing that national parks account for a lot of that acreage. But there's also military bases.

Posted by: Hands at July 19, 2020 12:54 PM (786Ro)

180 I fully expect to be arrested before the election for wearing anything with TRUMP written on it.

Or MAGA.

Hats, masks, shirts, yard signs and bumper stickers for sure. The government will rule it is hate speech and a crime.

Try right now and see how hard it is using Google to find sites, videos, or images that are anti-mask. They cannot do the hate speech thing on that, but you can bet the censors are hard at work, workin' for the "public good."

And for Joe Biden.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at July 19, 2020 12:54 PM (4ZE6o)

181 I am on a phone so cannot link but Hillsdale College held an in person graduation yesterday despite Whitmer ban on such gatherings. Followed all recommendations for masks six foot spacing for seating and was held outdoors. Informed the state and local law enforcement two months ago they were going to do this. Also pointed out that Whitmer EO has clause stating that none of her order supersedes Constitutional rights and so the college was exercising the right to assembly. Story in Detroit News if cobs want to link later.

Posted by: Jen the original at July 19, 2020 12:55 PM (QJUYD)

182 So, you can't yell "fire" in a crowded theater, but you can start a fire?

Posted by: LilyB at July 19, 2020 12:55 PM (A/N4l)

183 It will be a crime if those people don't sue for wrongful termination. That is NOT a fireable offense unless it's in their signed employee handbook and was agreed upon by the employee.

You can't just make shit up, then fire someone because they didn't like your made up shit."

You don't grasp the level that the corruption and dysfunction has reached in California. This will stand because there is not a single judge or jury in the entire state anymore who would dare to stand up for these employees. Anyone who does stand up for them will have a howling mob camped out on their doorsteps the next day, paid for covertly by the State.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 19, 2020 12:56 PM (V2Yro)

184 Yes, you can be fired for your politics, and BLM is a political party.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at July 19, 2020 12:56 PM (4ZE6o)

185
45% of California's land area is owned by the United States Federal Gov.

53% of Oregon's land area is owned by the United States Federal Gov.

I'm guessing that national parks account for a lot of that acreage. But there's also military bases.
Posted by: Hands at July 19, 2020 12:54 PM (786Ro)

lot of that land is owned by BLM (Bureau of Land Management). I live in eastern WA and BLM has a huge footprint due to dams, canals and chunks of hills/mountains. its the same with eastern OR as well. A lot of this land has a tendency to burn during wildfire season, so i am guessing most people don't want the burden of owning that land and then being forced to pay for firefighters to put out the blazes that are inevitable.

Posted by: secret squirrel, author of Three LTs of Joint Base Lear MacBeth, a comedic play! on Amazon at July 19, 2020 12:57 PM (xyImL)

186 Feds stay clear
Moms are here"
Personally, I'd go with:
"Moms be quiet
Go on a diet".
Posted by: pep
Moms stay back
And shut your yaps!
Posted by: Diogenes at July 19, 2020 12:37 PM (axyOa)

Feds stay clear,
Baby mammas be here,
No baby daddys in sight,
Gonna get my welfare check for 40's and blunts tonight....

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 19, 2020 12:57 PM (Z+IKu)

187 Also read this in the comments at Jen's LI link :

Supreme Court rules against Soros

https://tinyurl.com/y35m8tpk

So up until now, Soros was funding his Marxist insurrectionist Open Borders Foundation with US taxpayer dollars?

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at July 19, 2020 12:57 PM (3z0gk)

188 185
So, you can't yell "fire" in a crowded theater, but you can start a fire?

Posted by: LilyB at July 19, 2020 12:55 PM (A/N4l)

Yes, you can yell fire in a crowed theater, but if anyone is injured because of a panic with no fire you can be held accountable and sued into bankruptcy.

Posted by: Vic at July 19, 2020 12:58 PM (mpXpK)

189 I grew up with a deep burning hatred for the Klan.
My dad told me about the nights, in the 1920's and '30's where the parish church bells would ring because of a threat by the Klan to burn the church.
Men would show up armed with clubs, knives and guns. People think the Democrat Party Militia just hated blacks. They also hated Jews, Republicans and Catholics.
Yes, I've seen cross burnings. Even on some idiots' pasture it's a threat. Antifa, BLM are the newest iteration of the D Party militia.
Buy ammo.

Posted by: Winston, dreg of society at July 19, 2020 12:59 PM (d9Irc)

190 Supreme Court rules against Soros

https://tinyurl.com/y35m8tpk

So up until now, Soros was funding his Marxist insurrectionist Open Borders Foundation with US taxpayer dollars?
Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at July 19, 2020 12:57 PM (3z0gk)

That page does not exist.

Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at July 19, 2020 01:00 PM (Zz0t1)

191 Maybe the McKloskys can use this defense.

Posted by: OldDominionMom at July 19, 2020 01:00 PM (dH/BH)

192 "Do The Limits Of Free Speech Extend To Molotov Cocktails?"

This is an often asked question from those in my think tank group.

We, have determined that if said throwee of said cocktail was, maskless, speak logically, seem up to date on current events and/or be within viewing distance of an unabused American flag then that man or woman is indeed a terrorist and should be beaten, shot with rubber bullets and water cannoned before he is sent off to GITOMO.

On the other side of the coin. Should the throwee wear a mask,parrot moronic statements over and over again, deface property up too and including the burning with said cocktail or if he/she has any patches od red stars or Che stitched onto their clothing, carry communist flags and hand out marxist pamphlets, destroy statues of everyone including Rocky Balboa and/or do anything outside of free thought and capitalism then NO. It is not a crime for them to throw said cocktails.

Now if anyone, ANYONE has a problem with that. Well then, come and take it back!!

Posted by: Drider at July 19, 2020 01:00 PM (R/UH9)

193 https://pjmedia.com/ recap of last night's activities in Portland
https://tinyurl.com/y5xocpqk

Posted by: Skip at July 19, 2020 01:01 PM (6f16T)

194 You cannot falsely yell fire in a crowded theater. You can if the place is actually on fire.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 19, 2020 01:01 PM (yQpMk)

195 Just watching it all and learning what the new rules are for the counter resistance.

Posted by: Montesquieu's Big Idea at July 19, 2020 01:01 PM (8FfnY)

196
It's wolf.

You can't yell "wolf" in a crowded theater.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 19, 2020 01:02 PM (g5Xlv)

197 "...states will secede."

My longstanding suggestion that such states as CA, OR, WA, et al be declared in a state of open insurrection (clearly they are) and should thus become territories.
Pull their Senators, their Reps and their Electoral College votes.
Install governors.

Posted by: attila the thrilla at July 19, 2020 01:02 PM (w7KSn)

198 There's free speech coming out of my ass, and it smells like COVID.

Don't forget your mask!

Posted by: Fritz at July 19, 2020 01:03 PM (95j/9)

199 Never yell "otter" in a crowded theater.

Posted by: That guy who always says... at July 19, 2020 01:04 PM (EgshT)

200
The interesting thing here is that if this antifa/BLM cocksucker actually wins, it goes a long way towards breaking down the National Firearms Act, since Molotovs are covered as a Class III Destructive Device.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 19, 2020 01:04 PM (EGyGV)

201
I has an article about Cisco employees being fired for questioning the
legitimacy of BLM during a company wide call to discuss Cisco efforts to
support the black community.

Posted by: Jen the original at July 19, 2020 12:48 PM (QJUYD)[/]

It will be a crime if those people don't sue for wrongful termination. That is NOT a fireable offense unless it's in their signed employee handbook and was agreed upon by the employee.

You can't just make shit up, then fire someone because they didn't like your made up shit.
Posted by: Sean Hannity

========

The exact same thing that happend to the lurkette I've been harping about:
https://tinyurl.com/yby9ejzo

And in fact she has no legal recourse. An at-will contract leaves both parties free to walk away for cause.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 19, 2020 01:04 PM (G51Gf)

202
Yelling "theater" in a fired-up crowd.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at July 19, 2020 01:04 PM (t5m5e)

203 Just don't burn a fag flag. That will get you 16 years in PMITA prison. Better to kill a few people as the penalties are less and you get some street cred inside the joint.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at July 19, 2020 01:04 PM (pw+jk)

204 For what it is worth, no, a Molotov cocktail would not be considered protected speech because neutral laws under the health, safety, and welfare provisions indicate
A) a Molotov cocktail is designed specifically to commit a crime--arson which is a forcible felony for which in most jurisdictions, one can be shot in self defense.

B) burning gasoline in open air risks a) environmental damage, b) injury to individuals breathing gas fumes even if it does not light, and c) explosive combustion under the right circumstances. Thus, legitimate neutral laws designed to protect people's health, safety,and welfare trump any sort of constitutional claim of viewpoint discrimination here. If I recall right, Oregon even prevents someone from pumping their own gas under such laws so that even putting it into a non-approved container is a crime.

A neutral law designed to protect health, safety,and welfare along with time, place, and manner of speech that have been constitutionally vetted have effectively neutered making claims that one has a free speech right to have a Molotov cocktail on city streets or on other people's private property. Tinker, which instituted symbolic speech protections dealt with only an armband. The Texas v. Johnson case only dealt with a specific charge of burning the flag but the court's majority opinion clearly states that Johnson could have been prosecuted based on requiring any open burning have a permit, and so on.
Under the time, place, and manner restrictions, the plaintiff is required to show how a neutral law is enforced in such a way that viewpoint discrimination occurs. In this case, it would be that other people were not prosecuted for having Molotov cocktails in public based on their political views so the prosecution was specifically designed to quell a particular viewpoint. I somehow doubt that some counter protester with a Molotov cocktail would not be charged as well.

Arson is one of those forcible felonies that can end up with a very nasty prison sentence.

And, if the firebombing is part of a concerted activity including training, etc. then terrorism charges and conspiracy to commit terrorism charges begin.

Posted by: whig at July 19, 2020 01:04 PM (pv2s8)

205 https://pjmedia.com/ recap of last night's activities in Portland
https://tinyurl.com/y5xocpqk
Posted by: Skip at July 19, 2020 01:01 PM (6f16T)

I've only been to the Portland airport and drove around the city.

I'm glad to know I'll never go back to that shithole, not that there will be a shithole to return to if this is allowed to keep up.

Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at July 19, 2020 01:05 PM (Zz0t1)

206 The rules of corporate diversity training ala Cisco is to say nothing, if you have to speak use double speak, if they try to make you confess, quit. Think of the fiery furnace.

Posted by: Heart of Darkness at July 19, 2020 01:05 PM (nFRLh)

207
My longstanding suggestion that such states as CA, OR, WA, et al be declared in a state of open insurrection (clearly they are) and should thus become territories.
Pull their Senators, their Reps and their Electoral College votes.
Install governors.
Posted by: attila the thrilla at July 19, 2020 01:02 PM (w7KSn)

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Your idea? Ha!

I'm already on it

ejexit.com

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 19, 2020 01:05 PM (g5Xlv)

208 Not my idea, merely a suggestion that supports the idea.

Posted by: attila the thrilla at July 19, 2020 01:06 PM (w7KSn)

209 That's it. Nothing surprises me anymore.

----------
L
@SomeBitchIKnow

Ghislaine Maxwell attended Andrew Cuomo's wedding when he married Kerry Kennedy.

https://t.co/vaKZMAYKFC?amp=1

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Vanity Fair story from 1992.

Posted by: Hands at July 19, 2020 01:06 PM (786Ro)

210 If the government is going to force me to wear masks, then I'll do just that: wear masks -- and nothing else.

Since public nudity was already legalized a few years ago in SF (during a previous society-wide spasm of lunacy over an equally ridiculous non-"crisis"), no one can possibly complain.

Posted by: zombie at July 19, 2020 01:07 PM (HEEq1)

211 As for states seceding if Trump wins, "please, stop, don't go" in my Gene Wilder voice.

Posted by: Heart of Darkness at July 19, 2020 01:07 PM (nFRLh)

212 We are well and truly into Kafka land.

https://tinyurl.com/y4zf7orh

Black woman proclaims "Refund the police" while she spreads black aint on the BLM slogan in NYC, and white and black officers try to restrain her. She's jeered at by a white virtue klaxoner. One white police officer slips in the paint and gets injured.

Murder hornets nowhere to be seen......for now.

Posted by: pep at July 19, 2020 01:07 PM (v16oJ)

213 Everyone who has ever caught the flu at the beach raise your hand.

Posted by: An Observation at July 19, 2020 01:08 PM (c5NNu)

214 Illuminating !

Posted by: runner at July 19, 2020 01:08 PM (zr5Kq)

215 DJT still hasn't driven home to the American people that D party is not merely incapable of handling these various crises, but that the D party is directly responsible for the creation of these crises. D's gave you covid, and won't let you recover. D's started the rioting, and aren't letting up. His messaging sucks. Not focused. Not nearly aggressive enough. Average American suspects this, but needs to hear it, over and over, relentlessly. D's gave to become not merely punch lines, but vicious nearly evil political operators. That narrative has to be out there, and outside of place like this it's not. D info war is winning ompltely. Team DJT is getting its ass kicked.

Posted by: occam's brassiere at July 19, 2020 01:08 PM (ja/kn)

216 Don't think flu is the worst thing some people caught at the beach....

Posted by: runner at July 19, 2020 01:09 PM (zr5Kq)

217 217 Everyone who has ever caught the flu at the beach raise your hand.
Posted by: An Observation

I caught the boogie-woogie flu at a beach party once.

Posted by: zombie at July 19, 2020 01:09 PM (HEEq1)

218 The interesting thing here is that if this antifa/BLM cocksucker actually wins, it goes a long way towards breaking down the National Firearms Act, since Molotovs are covered as a Class III Destructive Device.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 19, 2020 01:04 PM (EGyGV)

Excellent point.

Annul the NFA and it's bastard children.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 19, 2020 01:09 PM (Z+IKu)

219 Everyone who has ever caught the flu at the beach raise your hand.

We have. Every year. Almost killed us and grandma, too.

Posted by: A Scold of Soviet Karens at July 19, 2020 01:09 PM (EgshT)

220 205, Blonde Morticia, California is not an at-will employment state and in fact has something called the Unruh Amendment that prohibits firing on the basis of political speech among other things.

James Damore ended up getting a substantial settlement from Google in part based on California law.

There are also many arbitration clauses scattered through contracts nowadays that can be litigated.

Too many people right of center forgo the tools offered by lawfare which results in corporations thinking they are bulletproof. They are not and Patreon, in particular may go bellyup from violating their own TOS contract and exposing themselves to massive arbitration claims and now a class action lawsuit against them.

Corporations are not the friends of the right and there is no reason not to punish them in court for wrongdoing. The more the pain is, the less that corporations will be forced to be neutral in order to exist or they will go under.

Posted by: whig at July 19, 2020 01:10 PM (pv2s8)

221 Then why wouldn't brandishing a weapon be free speech? The McCloskeys (or wtf their names are) in St. Louis need a better ...make that scummier...lawyer.

Posted by: WTP at July 19, 2020 01:10 PM (HA2LH)

222 Maybe Portland needs a squadron of Russian Dragoons with sabres

Posted by: Skip at July 19, 2020 01:10 PM (6f16T)

223 I caught the boogie-woogie flu at a beach party once.

Posted by: zombie

pfffffft. I had the rockin' pneumonia.

Posted by: pep at July 19, 2020 01:10 PM (v16oJ)

224
Not my idea, merely a suggestion that supports the idea.
Posted by: attila the thrilla at July 19, 2020 01:06 PM (w7KSn)

-------

I'm just funnin' ya. I'm by no means the first to think of stripping these people of their citizenship.

But I did make a spiffy website for it.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 19, 2020 01:10 PM (g5Xlv)

225 Interesting defence? Bullshit. Disbar and hanf his lawyer.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 19, 2020 01:11 PM (85Gof)

226 I'm not convinced states would secede of Trump wins. But I hope they do and would actively support it.

The question is, what do we do if the Dems win?

Posted by: Not Voting Our Way Out Of This at July 19, 2020 01:11 PM (EiNjl)

227 I think you people who believe Team Trump is getting its ass kicked, watch too much television. The cities are lost causes but out here in flyover country, people get who the Dems arena what they want. Pray, vote and buy ammo.

Posted by: Heart of Darkness at July 19, 2020 01:11 PM (nFRLh)

228 The thing is we're not facing 'people who want to be left alone.'

We're facing the people who want to ensure you'll never be left alone again at the heel of their boot.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 19, 2020 12:51 PM (ysmsf)

Welcome to the Cultural Revolution comrade. Make sure you've got your little red book aka White Fragility at the ready

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 19, 2020 01:11 PM (KqWRj)

229 I think burning a flag should be legal. And also should beating the ever loving shit out of the person burning the flag

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 19, 2020 01:12 PM (85Gof)

230 what the Dems are and what they want....autocucumber

Posted by: Heart of Darkness at July 19, 2020 01:12 PM (nFRLh)

231 It is a crime to destroy property that is not your own. Even burning a flag is a crime if you burn one that belongs to someone else.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at July 19, 2020 01:12 PM (nAiE/)

232 "My longstanding suggestion that such states as CA, OR, WA, et al be declared in a state of open insurrection (clearly they are) and should thus become territories.
Pull their Senators, their Reps and their Electoral College votes.
Install governors."

Not a problem should those states agree that The United States has all rights to all deep water ports, military bases and minerals in said states and that those wishing to enter the United states would need visas that are rare and difficult to obtain. I'm sure there is more to that list for states who feel they can just up and go bye bye.

Posted by: Drider at July 19, 2020 01:12 PM (R/UH9)

233
OK, so if this was a gun, and he said those words and brandished it, then took a shot at the building.

What would the charges be?

Why nothing Tovarich. Nothing at all.

Posted by: George Soros Renta DA at July 19, 2020 01:13 PM (c5NNu)

234 My longstanding suggestion that such states as CA, OR, WA, et al be declared in a state of open insurrection (clearly they are) and should thus become territories.
Pull their Senators, their Reps and their Electoral College votes.
Install governors.

Posted by: attila the thrilla at July 19, 2020 01:02 PM (w7KSn)

This ^^ - let them declare succession, have federal troops then occupy them, arrest and detain in military prison all who resist, turn them into occupied common wealth properties of the US and appoint a high ranking general or cabinet official as the Governor of these occupied territories, stripping them of all voting rights and representatives.

Posted by: Boswell at July 19, 2020 01:13 PM (32YRo)

235 That yelling fire in a crowed theater was an extract from an Oliver Wendell Homes case where he said you could not do that because the government had right and a duty to enact laws that prevented a car and present danger. That case was subsequently partially overruled by a later case. So much for so-called stare decisis.

Posted by: Vic at July 19, 2020 01:13 PM (mpXpK)

236 Our beach friends caught it, as well.

Posted by: A Scold of Soviet Karens at July 19, 2020 01:14 PM (EgshT)

237
It is a crime to destroy property that is not your own. Even burning a flag is a crime if you burn one that belongs to someone else.
Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at July 19, 2020 01:12 PM (nAiE/)

Sure, but as someone above pointed out - if Logan and Dakota burn your US flag in the name of BLM, they will face no punishment. If you burn Logan's Jolly Rogering-A-Guy flag, you'll get hard time.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 19, 2020 01:14 PM (g5Xlv)

238 @231...don't disagree with the idea of a substantial "silent plurality" but my point is that may not be enough. The only story Sally Soccer Mom in suburban Philly is hearing right now is "Trump's a complete clusterfuck. Look around". DNT need a few of those Sallys, but he's not giving them much to think about.

Posted by: occam's brassiere at July 19, 2020 01:15 PM (ja/kn)

239 There's just no hiding from it. It's in the vapors.

Posted by: A Scold of Soviet Karens at July 19, 2020 01:16 PM (EgshT)

240 Attila maybe by 1 November that will happen.

Posted by: Skip at July 19, 2020 01:16 PM (6f16T)

241 https:// twitter.com/ AskQanon/status/ 1284120836945907712

Try this, remove spaces.

And yeah I know it's Q.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at July 19, 2020 01:16 PM (3z0gk)

242 The more I hear this shit, watch this shit, live in this shit....the more I realize America is lost

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 19, 2020 01:18 PM (85Gof)

243 @245

never works fro me

what's it say ?

Posted by: runner at July 19, 2020 01:18 PM (zr5Kq)

244 The Feds in Portland are there to protect Federal property no? I would be tempted to empty the properties, evacuate the personnel and stop all business with the city. Let them stew.

Posted by: Javems at July 19, 2020 01:18 PM (DveAR)

245
Text of the proposed 28th Amendment:

"WHEREAS the Failed State of California is in de facto and de jure nullification of federalism, and thereby insurrectionist, and is a generally pernicious influence on the rest of the nation, it is hereby ejected from the United States, and reduced to the status of a special Territory.

This Territory will be administered by the United States Army.

Its Governor-General will be an Army officer named by the President. The appointment of a Governor-General will not be subject to Congressional approval, but will be subject to recall by a Congressional Bill of Recall. This Bill must originate in the House of Representatives with a simple majority, and must be confirmed by the Senate with a two-thirds supermajority.

The Governor-General will be provided with troops and funds sufficient to provision his troops, and secure the Territory and its border, from the discretionary budget of the executive branch of the United States.

Within the Territory, the Territory's executive, legislative, and judicial powers will rest under the sole authority of the Governor-General.

Peaceful Residents of the Territory will be treated according to the Geneva Convention as constituted in the first quarter of 2020. Violations of that Convention will be subject to the judgment of Congress, and no other country. Suggested violations will be referred to Congress by the United States Supreme Court, as a matter of original jurisdiction.

Insurrectionists who have commited or conspired to violence may be handled as seen fit by the Governor-General.

Residents of the Territory as of ratification of this Amendment, or in the future, may seek repatriation to the United States from a Tribunal composed of twelve enlisted soldiers and non-commissioned officers from the bottom half of all the States in population, at time of their enlistment in the Army. These Tribunals will consist of six enlisted men and six non-commissioned officers, each serving a two year term, and selected by lottery. These Tribunals will determine the status of applicants as Americans or Californians. Those Residents deemed fit will be granted Citizenship in the United States.

At least eight members of a given Tribunal must affirm the Resident in question as a Citizen for repatriation to occur.

No other Resident will be permitted travel to the United States, or abroad.

The Territory of California will be eligible for readmittance to the Union after seventy-five years from the date of this Amendment's ratification.

The Territory of California will be subject to taxation and receive disbursement of funds by Congress, separate from their discretionary budget.

The Governor-General will determine internal usage of Territorial production as needed. Any excess will be exported to the United States, whose Congress will make determination as to its re-export, or domestic sale.

The Territory of California will not be permitted to receive loans from any foreign individual or government.

With regard to imported goods, tariff and trade agreements with foreign governments will remain uniform with United States foreign policy as set forth by the Congress and President.

The Territory of California will have no representation whatsoever in Congress, and will have no franchise whatsoever in midterm or general elections.

The Territory of California may not be sold.

American Citizens may be permitted travel to the Territory of California with a United States passport, pending approval of the Governor-General."

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 19, 2020 01:19 PM (g5Xlv)

246 EXCLUSIVE: Subpoenaed Illinois Speaker Michael Madigan Connected to Barack Obama, His Mentor Bill Ayers and Mueller Gang Leader Andrew Weissmann
Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at July 19, 2020 12:17 PM (1Dmt5)

Do you think Blago gave up some useful info to nail these crooked bastards?

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 19, 2020 01:19 PM (Z+IKu)

247 DJT still hasn't driven home to the American people that D party is not merely incapable of handling these various crises, but that the D party is directly responsible for the creation of these crises. D's gave you covid, and won't let you recover. D's started the rioting, and aren't letting up. His messaging sucks. Not focused. Not nearly aggressive enough. Average American suspects this, but needs to hear it, over and over, relentlessly. D's gave to become not merely punch lines, but vicious nearly evil political operators. That narrative has to be out there, and outside of place like this it's not. D info war is winning compltely. Team DJT is getting its ass kicked.

Posted by: occam's brassiere

Reposted. Because sadly, I think this is right

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at July 19, 2020 01:19 PM (3z0gk)

248 "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind, but now I see..."

Posted by: runner at July 19, 2020 01:19 PM (zr5Kq)

249 shit....the more I realize America is lost

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 19,�

You have to be head first into a barrel of whiskey to think otherwise.

Posted by: Not Voting Our Way Out Of This at July 19, 2020 01:19 PM (EiNjl)

250 This ^^ - let them declare succession, have federal troops then occupy them, arrest and detain in military prison all who resist, turn them into occupied common wealth properties of the US and appoint a high ranking general or cabinet official as the Governor of these occupied territories, stripping them of all voting rights and representatives.

Posted by: Boswell at July 19, 2020 01:13 PM (32YRo)

Also, should any press outlet or media organization support or otherwise broadcast propaganda to assist such succession should therefore forfeit all of their first amendment rights as happens to those supporting enemy combatants and opposition foreign entities, then confiscate and federalize their networks and disband or detain/imprison decision makers within these media corporations.

Posted by: Boswell at July 19, 2020 01:20 PM (32YRo)

251 Do you think Blago gave up some useful info to nail these crooked bastards?
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 19, 2020 01:19 PM (Z+IKu)

Dude...we want blago safe, mkay...

Posted by: runner at July 19, 2020 01:20 PM (zr5Kq)

252
The question is, what do we do if the Dems win?
Posted by: Not Voting Our Way Out Of This at July 19, 2020 01:11 PM (EiNjl)

I think the dems will claim the Mandate from Heaven and will go full spectrum ops against us. And as much as they claim to not want violence and attribute talk of a potential civil war as some kind of right wing agitprop, those motherfuckers are the ones in a constant siege of Portland and other cities. So that ship already sailed and struck the iceberg. We may already be in the early stages of some kind of "civil war."
Now those same antifas and BLMs who have no qualms about assaulting cops or mobbing individuals who might dare disagree with their sentiments will be open targets and law enforcement will be bound from stopping it. Or they'll pop smoke, turn in their badges and leave. And those ranks can just as easily be filled by some 20 year old masked thug who slung coffee for a living but now will try his hand at slinging bullets...and all with the force and concurrence of the laws.
Bleak!

Posted by: secret squirrel, author of Three LTs of Joint Base Lear MacBeth, a comedic play! on Amazon at July 19, 2020 01:21 PM (xyImL)

253
Also, should any press outlet or media organization support or otherwise broadcast propaganda to assist such succession should therefore forfeit all of their first amendment rights as happens to those supporting enemy combatants and opposition foreign entities, then confiscate and federalize their networks and disband or detain/imprison decision makers within these media corporations.
Posted by: Boswell at July 19, 2020 01:20 PM (32YRo)

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And, of course - there's precedent for this with the Copperhead press organs (also Democrats, of course).

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 19, 2020 01:21 PM (g5Xlv)

254 Posted by: occam's brassiere at July 19, 2020 01:15 PM (ja/kn)

My fear is that suburban soccer mom Sally is more frightened of the Wuhan flu than she is of rioters. Assholes aren't (yet) breaking down the doors of Sally's Sunnyside Lane house but oh my, there are people walking around without masks on! I think corona is more real to the 'burb dwellers than BLM.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&V. at July 19, 2020 01:21 PM (HabA/)

255 Do you think Blago gave up some useful info to nail these crooked bastards?
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 19, 2020 01:19 PM (Z+IKu)

If he had any useful info he would have used back in the days of his trail. He's got nothing

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 19, 2020 01:22 PM (85Gof)

256 Your right to free speech stops when it violates someone else's right to their own space. The free speech of your fist stops way shorter than the tip of my nose; violation of that personal zone of comfort/safety is assault - not speech and will be dealt with accordingly. Remember the 6 foot rule of social distancing? A violent rioter/protester coming at you and gets inside the 6' zone, then all bets are off.
Arson is not speech.
Bike locks to the head is not speech.
Violating my property boundary is not speech.
Words coming from my mouth are not violence. If there is no threat, actual threat - not imaginary dog whistles, then there is no excuse to escalate to physical violence.
Threats of physical violence coming at me may result in "defensive measures."

It all boils down to:
1) Don't start no crap and there won't be any.
2) Treat others as you would like to be treated.

The above is how I try to live. And let live.

Posted by: Bonecrusher at July 19, 2020 01:22 PM (hrRsI)

257 Pic on FB with a MEME Miley Cyrus pictured with Jeffrey Epstein with his hand on her 17 year old ass. Wonder why she went bonkers

Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at July 19, 2020 01:22 PM (1Dmt5)

258 This is a good question.

But the left does not use speech to win followers. Their policy never prevails through persuasion.
They abuse the principle of free speech to hide their purposes.
They seek to silence opposing points of view.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 19, 2020 01:23 PM (EZebt)

259 They got Capone (who left a trail of blood worthy of the worst psycho murderers) on tax evasion.

Posted by: runner at July 19, 2020 01:23 PM (zr5Kq)

260 *murdering psychos

Posted by: runner at July 19, 2020 01:23 PM (zr5Kq)

261 The Choice is Clear.

Trump or the Potted Plant.

Fvck the Polls, they're meaningless.

what happened to Kamala's Face? did her cheekbones grow?

Posted by: firefirefire at July 19, 2020 01:24 PM (Seb55)

262 Wonder why she went bonkers

Her cray cray parents

Posted by: runner at July 19, 2020 01:24 PM (zr5Kq)

263 *my goodness, some people need their own blogs...

Posted by: runner at July 19, 2020 01:24 PM (zr5Kq)

264 In the late hours on Nov 5, 2016 I imagined what secret squirrel is saying, actually thought by this date the gulags would open for global warming denying for reeducation.

Posted by: Skip at July 19, 2020 01:24 PM (6f16T)

265 Two of the only many things I ever picked up at the beach were good vibrations and my lost shaker of salt.

Posted by: Fritz at July 19, 2020 01:25 PM (95j/9)

266 Hmm calling the police '12' and a molotov cocktail 'free speech'...

I may consider those if we may call police brutality a 'hug' and lethal force a 'wave hello'.

Posted by: socalcon at July 19, 2020 01:25 PM (Roy2Z)

267 >>D info war is winning compltely. Team DJT is getting its ass kicked.

Posted by: occam's brassiere

Election is more than three months from now - campaigns are built to bring maximum firepower after the convention - right now, all these suggested protestations by the Trump team would fall mostly on deaf ears - Americans start really focusing on elections in September/October time frames - not so much in mid-July. Trump needs right now to keep his war chest full and his powder dry...

Posted by: Boswell at July 19, 2020 01:25 PM (32YRo)

268 If he had any useful info he would have used back in the days of his trail. He's got nothing
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 19, 2020 01:22 PM (85Gof)

Yeah, my guess too. But Blago does have nice hair so he's got that going for him.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 19, 2020 01:26 PM (Z+IKu)

269 Basically, the Left is attacking on 4 fronts right now:
1. The Wuhan flu panic
2. The BLM/antifa front
3. The drive for vote by mail (fraud if all else fails)
4. The constant media attacks and censorship of conservatives.

Trump has to contend with all of that. Some days I'm more optimistic than others.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&V. at July 19, 2020 01:26 PM (HabA/)

270 : Oregon's attorney general is seeking an order to stop federal agents

from arresting people in Portland

He is going to win his lawsuit, because the Oregon U.S. Attorney's office is going to take a dive in court. Evidence of that: the U.S. Attorney's office has already issued a press release on the suit that sounds like it was written by the Oregon A.G.

Posted by: An Observation at July 19, 2020 01:26 PM (c5NNu)

271 Zombie! You go girl!

Posted by: Old Blue at July 19, 2020 01:26 PM (VNmG1)

272 In the '67 riots, the Democrat Mayor of Detroit as I recall came right out at a press conference and said anyone with a lit Molotov in hand would be shot on sight. I may not be remembering the details precisely - it was one of the 60s riots in one of the Democrat run areas, I expect. Point being they didn't mess around. It had to be done, and they knew that was their job, unlike today, where the "leaders" act like spectators.

Anyhoo, Seems fair to me.

Posted by: Common Tater at July 19, 2020 01:26 PM (1XIkG)

273 August 2, 2016

Fox News poll

Clinton +10

Posted by: Hmmm at July 19, 2020 01:27 PM (EiNjl)

274 268 In the late hours on Nov 5, 2016 I imagined what secret squirrel is saying, actually thought by this date the gulags would open for global warming denying for reeducation.
Posted by: Skip at July 19, 2020 01:24 PM (6f16T)

Skip we dodged a bullet on that one. By Grace of God, I firmly believe.
I'm hoping for one more reprieve.

Posted by: secret squirrel, author of Three LTs of Joint Base Lear MacBeth, a comedic play! on Amazon at July 19, 2020 01:27 PM (xyImL)

275 Dude Trump went on Piss Wallace's Sunday show and told the nation that " while they should have SOME freedom there, I am a mask guy!"

This is the crux of the Trump problem. EVERYTHING is negotiable. Art of the Deal.

Including your rights and freedoms as an American.

The guy has lived in New York city for decades. At it's most free NYC is practically in a constant state of regulatory and bureaucratic lockdown compared to the rest of the country.

Trump is just no gonna give a shit if the whole country becomes NYC on a larger scale because it's what he is accustomed to and has grown to accept.

He is numb to giving away pieces of liberty in the name of a "good deal".

Wear the mask, bitches. It lets you get food and groceries right???
#winning!!

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at July 19, 2020 01:27 PM (3z0gk)

276 Wasn't Romney's dad a governor of MI during 60's Detroit riots ?

Posted by: runner at July 19, 2020 01:27 PM (zr5Kq)

277 ALL of these polls are total bullshit...more this time than ever for this simple reason:

The MSM and even FAUX news has put out the meme that ALL PDT supportes are Nazis and Racists...When the FAB said it, she was blasted for it.Today, it is excepted in the MSM, so why would anyone answer honestly?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 19, 2020 01:28 PM (85Gof)

278 The thing is we're not facing 'people who want to be left alone.'

We're facing the people who want to ensure you'll never be left alone again at the heel of their boot.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 19, 2020 12:51 PM (ysmsf)

Which is why when shit finally gets started you don't stop until there is nobody left to complain.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at July 19, 2020 01:28 PM (9Om/r)

279 Headed for the woods with the dogs and truck died going uphill. I suspect an O2 sensor. I do have AAA and they will get here sometime. Just sucks.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at July 19, 2020 01:28 PM (dqxMS)

280
Posted by: Common Tater at July 19, 2020 01:26 PM (1XIkG)

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It's why I'm mystified by the people who say "Oh, it was just as bad in the 60s and 70s."

No it wasn't. The establishment and its institutions hadn't joined them back them.

This is several orders of magnitude worse. The government is now part of the mob.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 19, 2020 01:28 PM (g5Xlv)

281 275 Zombie! You go girl!
Posted by: Old Blue

I always devise my own unique way of protesting.

Posted by: zombie at July 19, 2020 01:28 PM (HEEq1)

282 This is the crux of the Trump problem. EVERYTHING is negotiable. Art of the Deal.

think of it as a boxing match

Posted by: runner at July 19, 2020 01:28 PM (zr5Kq)

283 Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at July 19, 2020 01:27 PM (3z0gk)

Yeah no. Thanks for tha analysis, now go fuck off

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 19, 2020 01:29 PM (85Gof)

284 @280...yes, and made a name for himself nationally by appearing in Detroit, being an R who "got it", etc. That's why Mitt marched. It's what Dad did.

Posted by: occam's brassiere at July 19, 2020 01:29 PM (ja/kn)

285 Yeah no. Thanks for tha analysis, now go fuck off

Posted by: Nevergiveup

heh.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at July 19, 2020 01:30 PM (3z0gk)

286 Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at July 19, 2020 01:27 PM (3z0gk)

Right. So sit at home in November and let Biden and the Left win. You'll be bitching about a lot more than compulsory masks then.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&V. at July 19, 2020 01:31 PM (HabA/)

287 August 2, 2016
Fox News poll
Clinton +10

Posted by: Hmmm at July 19, 2020 01:27 PM (EiNjl)
Ha - as someone pointed out on an earlier thread, ABC had a poll out once in mid-July that had Dukakis schlonging GW Bush by 17 pct points. Bwahaha - people never learn, these polls are less than useless right now, a waste of time and energy for everyone concerned. But mostly, they hurt Democrats, whether they really know that or not.

Posted by: Boswell at July 19, 2020 01:31 PM (32YRo)

288 No it wasn't. The establishment and its institutions hadn't joined them back them.

This is several orders of magnitude worse. The government is now part of the mob.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 19, 2020 01:28 PM (g5Xlv)

THIS.
The dems play the long game, i'll give them that- they had the patience, planning and fortitude to successfully infiltrate top agencies and put their commissars and chogie boys in there. I give props to the Trump Admin for trying to clean house, but its like killing roaches. You smash one, turn around, there's another. And where there is one, there are hundreds.

Posted by: secret squirrel, author of Three LTs of Joint Base Lear MacBeth, a comedic play! on Amazon at July 19, 2020 01:32 PM (xyImL)

289

So... what ur sayin is... if I wear a mask and black t-shirt I can throw Molotov Cocktails at stuff I don't approve of?

FUCK YES!

Posted by: Cracker at July 19, 2020 01:32 PM (mP6Ur)

290 You see, a fire bomb used in the right cause is free speech. Civil war can't be to far away.
Buy ammo. You should already have the guns.

Posted by: USNtakim at July 19, 2020 01:32 PM (0OmEj)

291 This is several orders of magnitude worse. The government is now part of the mob.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 19, 2020 01:28 PM (g5Xlv)

Yep.

They also have corporations too.

We're in the last chapter of this book.

Posted by: Not Voting Our Way Out Of This at July 19, 2020 01:32 PM (EiNjl)

292
Right. So sit at home in November and let Biden and the Left win.
You'll be bitching about a lot more than compulsory masks then.

Yeah because that's exactly what I said.

Sometimes you have to face painful truths.

Or you can just keep cheerleading and pretending that we are #winning.

Willful blindness is painful to watch.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at July 19, 2020 01:34 PM (3z0gk)

293 @271...that's the best argument, Boswell, yes. And if polls and "feel" were credited in summer 16, DJT was screwed. And I like the boxing analogy too...Ali rope a dope. Rope a dope worked spectacularly against Foreman, but when Ali tried it again against Spinks a few years later he nearly got his head taken off. Very high risk, and tough to replicate.

Posted by: occam's brassiere at July 19, 2020 01:35 PM (ja/kn)

294 The mob like in every revolution is the tool of the leaders, but that control is fleeting.

Posted by: Skip at July 19, 2020 01:36 PM (6f16T)

295
We're in the last chapter of this book.
Posted by: Not Voting Our Way Out Of This at July 19, 2020 01:32 PM (EiNjl)

--------

Uh huh. This thing is cooked. Now, in most cases I'd say the next book is inevitably Venezuela II: American Boogaloo. In our case, we have the 2A wild card, so things could well go differently than every other time this has come to pass... but it's not looking good.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 19, 2020 01:36 PM (g5Xlv)

296 CBD: Minor quibble: the left is deliberately misusing language in order to justify their actions.

The left isn't "misunderstanding" anything. Rather, it's a deliberate and systematic destruction of the plain meaning of words and language.

Posted by: blake - semi-lurker in marginal standing
at July 19, 2020 01:37 PM (WEBkv)

297
Point being - Trump is playing this just right. People should be
free to burn their own shit down. Especially when I can watch.

I hope so. I want you to be right.

But they are not just burning down their own shit now are they?

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at July 19, 2020 01:37 PM (3z0gk)

298 At this point your either part of the problem, or part of the solution. And if your going to do anything to hurt PDT's re-election prospects and minimizing the threat of that fool biden then you are THE enemy and yes a deplorable person

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 19, 2020 01:37 PM (85Gof)

299
Posted by: Nevergiveup

heh.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at July 19, 2020 01:38 PM (3z0gk)

300 135 I'd suggest once you pick up a Molotov cocktail you have promoted yourself from protester to terrorist.
Posted by: Weasel at July 19, 2020 12:41 PM (MVjcR)

But if the guy, say, then swallowed it.

Posted by: m at July 19, 2020 01:39 PM (Bcbbp)

301
In the '67 riots, the Democrat Mayor of Detroit as I recall came
right out at a press conference and said anyone with a lit Molotov in
hand would be shot on sight. I may not be remembering the details
precisely - it was one of the 60s riots in one of the Democrat run
areas, I expect. Point being they didn't mess around. It had to be done,
and they knew that was their job, unlike today, where the "leaders" act
like spectators.

Anyhoo, Seems fair to me.

Posted by: Common Tater at July 19, 2020 01:26 PM (1XIkG)

Richard J. Daley: Dat was me

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 19, 2020 01:39 PM (VgLXY)

302 heh heh heh...got a feather stuck in your thoat

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 19, 2020 01:39 PM (85Gof)

303 I just read that this is the last week for $600 a week unemployment benefits.

Think things will ratchet up a notch or two??

Posted by: secret squirrel, author of Three LTs of Joint Base Lear MacBeth, a comedic play! on Amazon at July 19, 2020 01:39 PM (xyImL)

304 On another note, no masks in church today. It appears our church is ignoring the edicts of Governor Goodhair Nuisance.

If masks would have been required for service, I would have stayed home.

#Winning!

Also, I'm thrilled to be labeled a subversive for believing in the God of the bible.

Posted by: blake - semi-lurker in marginal standing
at July 19, 2020 01:39 PM (WEBkv)

305 Very high risk, and tough to replicate.

Posted by: occam's brassiere at July 19, 2020 01:35 PM (ja/kn)

Yes, you are right that eventually, when folks are starting to pay real attention, Trump needs to make the case strongly for his re-election, without apology and with aggressive rhetoric - when to start making that case for maximum effect is one that I would think all campaigns war game out...I'm not worried the Republicans won't lay out that case but we'll see if their timing is good...

Posted by: Boswell at July 19, 2020 01:40 PM (32YRo)

306 146 "Moms be quiet
Go on a diet".
Posted by: pep

Moms stay back
And shut your yaps!
Posted by: Diogenes

moms, stop the stunts
Posted by: x at July 19, 2020 12:44 PM (nFwvY)

I can't think of anything that would rhyme with "stunts" and would fit this context.

Posted by: m at July 19, 2020 01:41 PM (Bcbbp)

307 Say a prayer for Herman Cain today. He is still in the hospital battling Covid.

Posted by: redridinghood at July 19, 2020 01:41 PM (wiXsO)

308 Test

Hope this is the video clip about Soros that a commenter has tried to link:

https://preview.tinyurl.com/yywxw7qe

Posted by: Emmie at July 19, 2020 01:41 PM (+ljgK)

309 Legal Insurrection has a article up Cisco fired employees for criticism of BLM, somehow say burning a flag is infinitely a less offence.

Posted by: Skip at July 19, 2020 12:53 PM (6f16T)

Waaaay back in the 80's I owned a design firm in Palo Alto, and worked for many of the Silicon Valley startups. One time, we were asked by Cisco to bid on some design work (I think it was an annual report but it doesn't matter).

This of course before they were the behemoth they became. Of course, the company was basically pilfered tech from Stanford. We met with the CEO or COO or whatever she was calling herself at the time, but one of the founders. I went there with one of my partners (me being the quiet creative type).

It was one of the weirdest meetings of my life. You remember in Dodge Ball where Peter walks into Kate's house the first time and it's wall-to-wall unicorns? Yeah, imagine the "corner office" only it's kittens. On plates, posters, lamps, throw pillows, statues... The look on Al's (his real name) face was priceless, probably same as mine.

Basically, the conversation when we left sums it up. "What the fuck was that about?" We didn't know. "Why were we even asked in?" Then 20 minutes of silence on the drive back.

Not one time did our presentation/interview turn to design work, their needs, or anything to do with Cisco. We never cracked the portfolio. Nope, this fucking dyke cat woman basically tore us up one side and down the other. It was the weirdest thing, but apparently she knew our deepest thoughts, history, motives and it was a good 15 minutes of personal attacks.

Today it would be white privilege, and cis het norm devils. We were 2 white guys, that's all it was. She had a chip on her shoulder the size of Montana, and I imagine that same scenerio played out with every other firm until a pink haired woman showed up with a bunch of finger paintings.

We refused to consider any work for Cisco after that, regardless of the office. I remember an article in a business mag on her after she left (a billionaire) IIRC had funded a cat rescue in Oregon, and was politically active (no fucking shit) in local and national politics. The article was positively glowing.

I can guarantee she's involved in whatever is happening in Portland, and is probably helping to fund it. I'm sure a quick google search would turn her up. You'll see a 70 something hippy that looks like a bad apple doll.

Posted by: clutch cargo at July 19, 2020 01:41 PM (8B6Ng)

310

Y'all know how to make a hypergolic cocktail?

Posted by: DudeBro at July 19, 2020 01:41 PM (NUe40)

311 Sadly the Left controls the language
Transgender
Cis gender
Hate speech
Political correctness
All well known and brought to you by Leftism

Posted by: Skip at July 19, 2020 01:42 PM (6f16T)

312 And if your going to do anything to hurt PDT's re-election prospects

What a stupid fucking statement.

Like my words on an anonymous forum have any impact on Trump's campaign. If that's the case? Then we might as well inaugurate Biden now.

If Trump's supported can't even question what he is doing, then we are already post-Republic.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at July 19, 2020 01:43 PM (3z0gk)

313 Free Speech!

Posted by: Sawed-off Shotgun at July 19, 2020 01:44 PM (Vy7tf)

314 I got a different definition of what is "mine". And a different - definitely binary - response.

If money taken from me in taxes paid for it , then I consider it to be partly mine.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at July 19, 2020 01:44 PM (3z0gk)

315 Sadly the Left controls the language
Transgender
Cis gender
Hate speech
Political correctness
All well known and brought to you by Leftism
Posted by: Skip at July 19, 2020 01:42 PM (6f16T)

Yup, I have been saying this for years here..We allowed the left to hyjack the english language

Systemic Racism
blm
gender identity
white privilage
Yada Yada Yada

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 19, 2020 01:44 PM (85Gof)

316 I just read that this is the last week for $600 a week unemployment benefits.

Think things will ratchet up a notch or two??

==

the opposite, I think. some of these asshoes were getting close to 4k/mo, that is after working at some min wage job. went to their head.

Posted by: runner at July 19, 2020 01:44 PM (zr5Kq)

317 Listen, Cracker. Nobody here ever advocates violence. We just recognize that if you place everybody in masks as a mandatory means to combat a pandemic, - you've also enabled a lawless and criminal faction of society to run rampant to reek havoc, and a law-abiding faction of civilized folks fed up with lawlessness to counter ne'er-do-wells.

The governing body of politicians are haplessly losing their grip.

Posted by: Fritz at July 19, 2020 01:45 PM (95j/9)

318 Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at July 19, 2020 01:43 PM (3z0gk)

well first of all troll, the points you made that PDY bends with the wind is 100% wrong and ChemJeff loike logic. His is prehaps the ONE and ONLY man who has stood tall agains the radical left. So A) your 100% wrong B) stupid or insincere C) boring.

So get lost

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 19, 2020 01:47 PM (85Gof)

319 The existing precedent is too permissive. Setting fire to a Molotov cocktail -- or a cross -- in public view is a threat-by-gesture to kill people or burn property. And if courts permit either, then civilians wind up having to fight back against the threatener physically because the police aren't willing to do it.
Of course, the same holds true if the police chicken out and/or obey an order to stand down, regardless of whether that order comes from treasonous officials like those in Portland.

Posted by: jdgalt at July 19, 2020 01:47 PM (3SFo/)

320 So get lost

Posted by: Nevergiveup

You seem nice.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at July 19, 2020 01:47 PM (3z0gk)

321 The Miley Cyrus - Jeffery Epstein picture. Article says she was 16 at the time.
https://tinyurl.com/y3yh2nw2

Posted by: An Observation at July 19, 2020 01:48 PM (c5NNu)

322 Posted by: clutch cargo at July 19, 2020 01:41 PM (8B6Ng)

Sandy Lerner.

Posted by: runner at July 19, 2020 01:48 PM (zr5Kq)

323 who is not a dyke

Posted by: runner at July 19, 2020 01:48 PM (zr5Kq)

324 311 I can't think of anything that would rhyme with "stunts" and would fit this context.
~~~
Your kids will be runts?

Posted by: socalcon at July 19, 2020 01:51 PM (Roy2Z)

325 CBD: Minor quibble: the left is deliberately misusing language in order to justify their actions.

Posted by: blake - semi-lurker in marginal standing at July 19, 2020 01:37 PM (WEBkv)

Okay...that's reasonable.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 19, 2020 01:51 PM (dLLD6)

326 Basically, the Left is attacking on 4 fronts right now:
1. The Wuhan flu panic
2. The BLM/antifa front
3. The drive for vote by mail (fraud if all else fails)
4. The constant media attacks and censorship of conservatives.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&V. at July 19, 2020 01:26 PM (HabA/)

Desperation. If Trump gets re-elected (please, God) they know he'll pack the Federal judiciary with judges who will not wear the leftist crap. The left has made great advances through contaminating the judiciary, and Trump's re-election will end that shit in a big hurry, and preclude it for at least a generation.

That's why they're pulling out all the stops. They're desperate.

Closest analogy: look at the full court press they put on Sarah Palin. They were terrified of her: young, beautiful, charismatic, and a woman who could pose a real threat to them politically after being VP. They went nutso on her to preclude that.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 19, 2020 01:53 PM (pmpob)

327 Just want to pop in and say that I appreciate the perspectives of the commenters here and hope we can get along even when we disagree and that no one will get run off for their viewpoint.

Pretty please?

The Horde is precious to me.

Posted by: Emmie at July 19, 2020 01:54 PM (+ljgK)

328 The Miley Cyrus - Jeffery Epstein picture. Article says she was 16 at the time.
https://tinyurl.com/y3yh2nw2

Cyrus's parents should be charged with child abuse

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 19, 2020 01:54 PM (85Gof)

329
the Oregon U.S. Attorney's office is going to take a dive in court. Evidence of that: the U.S. Attorney's office has already issued a press release on the suit that sounds like it was written by the Oregon A.G.
Posted by: An Observation

=====

Why the hell is that attorney still in the DOJ?

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 19, 2020 01:55 PM (G51Gf)

330 Yesterday on our local (Detroit area) news there was a story about a school superintendent of an upper middle class town. Evidently, on his Facebook, when asked if schools in his district would be opening in the fall, he said if it was up to him they would be. That in his opinion the whole thing was political-not a health threat to children. There are now petitions to fire him for having the wrong opinion. That is scary. The district he's in is Northville, and in the Detroit area, the BLM is protesting the schools being open for summer school.

Posted by: Chillin the most at July 19, 2020 01:56 PM (lonOK)

331 That's why they're pulling out all the stops. They're desperate.

Closest analogy: look at the full court press they put on Sarah Palin. They were terrified
of her: young, beautiful, charismatic, and a woman who could pose a
real threat to them politically after being VP. They went nutso on her
to preclude that.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 19, 2020 01:53 PM (pmpob)

It's their Tet Offensive. Knowing that the modern day Cronkites will lie through their teeth about it just like good old Uncle Walter did

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 19, 2020 01:56 PM (VgLXY)

332 If Trump and Co. are serious about snuffing out Antifags, why not cut off the $$? I looked at the trash heap they left behind in Portland; everything was new: Brand new coolers, new pop-up shelters, cases and cases of water and Gatorade. These punks are rocking new goggles, bike helmets, body armor and their attacks are clearly orchestrated. (See: Chicago attack on Columbus statue.)
I thought that's what the Feds were good at; cutting off the $$s.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at July 19, 2020 01:56 PM (7Fj9P)

333 Why the hell is that attorney still in the DOJ?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 19, 2020 01:55 PM (G51Gf)
---------

Because they have a right to keep their job under a Republican administration.

It's a subsection under the "Good and Plenty" clause.

Posted by: blake - semi-lurker in marginal standing
at July 19, 2020 01:56 PM (WEBkv)

334 Changing the personnel in the judiciary may not even be a temporary solution, it almost certainly is not a longer term one. Needs to be done, of course, might as well do it. But doesn't re-assemble the constitutional Humpty Dumpty, which is broken into even more pieces than 3 years ago.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 19, 2020 01:57 PM (OTzUX)

335 "You can't yell "wolf" in a crowded theater."

Where wolf?

Posted by: guy in a crowded theater at July 19, 2020 01:57 PM (Tnijr)

336 How come all this antifa' fucks have iPhones and $3000 Nikons?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 19, 2020 01:57 PM (85Gof)

337 It's their Tet Offensive. Knowing that the modern day Cronkites will lie through their teeth about it just like good old Uncle Walter did
Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 19, 2020 01:56 PM (VgLXY)

Thank you. Perfect analogy.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 19, 2020 01:58 PM (pmpob)

338
Blonde Morticia, California is not an at-will employment state and in fact has something called the Unruh Amendment that prohibits firing on the basis of political speech among other things.

James Damore ended up getting a substantial settlement from Google in part based on California law.

There are also many arbitration clauses scattered through contracts nowadays that can be litigated.

Too many people right of center forgo the tools offered by lawfare which results in corporations thinking they are bulletproof. They are not and Patreon, in particular may go bellyup from violating their own TOS contract and exposing themselves to massive arbitration claims and now a class action lawsuit against them.

Corporations are not the friends of the right and there is no reason not to punish them in court for wrongdoing. The more the pain is, the less that corporations will be forced to be neutral in order to exist or they will go under.
Posted by: whig

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Holy crap that's nuts.

James Damore was repped by Harmeet Dhillon, whom the lurkette consulted. Dhillon said:

"Sorry to hear about the situation. Being a private school, with employment at will, I don't see a path forward legally unless she was fired in violation of some written guidelines or handbook that would rise to the level of a contract.

I wish I had better news."

So there's that.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 19, 2020 01:58 PM (G51Gf)

339 Closest analogy: look at the full court press they put on Sarah Palin. They were terrified of her: young, beautiful, charismatic, and a woman who could pose a real threat to them politically after being VP. They went nutso on her to preclude that.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 19, 2020 01:53 PM (pmpob

The depressing thing is that it seems they won that round.

Posted by: Emmie at July 19, 2020 01:58 PM (+ljgK)

340 A pipe bomb is mostly peaceful too.

Posted by: frekked at July 19, 2020 01:59 PM (Tnijr)

341 "You can't yell "wolf" in a crowded theater."

They don't let you have wolves in here.

Posted by: Lucille Bluth at July 19, 2020 01:59 PM (3z0gk)

342 https://bit.ly/30szLaQ
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CORONA CASE: Gov. Tom Wolf and Richard Levine has been officially sued Pennsylvania Breaking News

Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at July 19, 2020 01:59 PM (1Dmt5)

343 "You can't yell "wolf" in a crowded theater."

Where wolf?
Posted by: guy in a crowded theater at July 19, 2020 01:57 PM (Tnijr)
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Yes one can yell "wolf" in a crowded theater.

However, one generally cannot evade consequences for such actions.

Posted by: blake - semi-lurker in marginal standing
at July 19, 2020 01:59 PM (WEBkv)

344 "BLM" is now "protesting" schools being open? WTF? And how is any school in the Gouvernement General of MI open, now (for summer school)??

Posted by: rhomboid at July 19, 2020 02:00 PM (OTzUX)

345 >>If Trump and Co. are serious about snuffing out Antifags, why not cut off the $$? I looked at the trash heap they left behind in Portland; everything was new: Brand new coolers, new pop-up shelters, cases and cases of water and Gatorade. These punks are rocking new goggles, bike helmets, body armor and their attacks are clearly orchestrated. (See: Chicago attack on Columbus statue.)
I thought that's what the Feds were good at; cutting off the $$s.

That's exactly what they attempting to do. Got to find them first, it's not like antifa advertises their funding sources on a website.

https://tinyurl.com/y5ex8btd

Posted by: JackStraw at July 19, 2020 02:00 PM (ZLI7S)

346 Changing the personnel in the judiciary may not even be a temporary solution, it almost certainly is not a longer term one. Needs to be done, of course, might as well do it. But doesn't re-assemble the constitutional Humpty Dumpty, which is broken into even more pieces than 3 years ago.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 19, 2020 01:57 PM (OTzUX)

But it could reassemble the Constitutional Humpty-Dumpty over time. The left has had referees that ignores its rabbit punches and low blows. Having honest referees could change the whole game, IMO.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 19, 2020 02:00 PM (pmpob)

347
Because they have a right to keep their job under a Republican administration.

It's a subsection under the "Good and Plenty" clause.
Posted by: blake - semi-lurker in marginal standing

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Fuuuuuck. The same sort of attorney is in Minnesota, ignoring notes from people with laundry lists of crimes commited by Ilhan Omar.

I just want to vomit.

Oh, and that bitch Shemima Begum might get to return to the UK, at some immense cost to British taxpayers for her security.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 19, 2020 02:00 PM (G51Gf)

348 He is going to win his lawsuit, because the Oregon U.S. Attorney's office is going to take a dive in court.

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This could work to Trump's advantage, he has the argument now that he tried to go in to stop the violence but Oregon told him to piss off.

It's one thing not to do anything but it's another when you do attempt something but constantly get rebuffed by the courts and the left. Trump can now point to that and show they truly support terrorism and chaos.

Posted by: Two Weeks From Escaping to Virtual Reality to Be With My Digital Girlfriend at July 19, 2020 02:01 PM (+dsLj)

349 Noody

Posted by: Weasel at July 19, 2020 02:01 PM (MVjcR)

350 The depressing thing is that it seems they won that round.
Posted by: Emmie at July 19, 2020 01:58 PM (+ljgK)

They did. But if you think about it, we traditionally lose a lot of battles early in every one of our wars.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 19, 2020 02:01 PM (pmpob)

351 Blago may have nothing to give, idk, but he would have a better chance at a deal (using his Madigan/Barry inside info) if he is dealing with a Trump prosecutor (if there are some good ones now) ... rather than Obama's Praetorian Guard. Trump did get Blago out early ... maybe there was more to it than we know?

Posted by: illiniwek at July 19, 2020 02:01 PM (Cus5s)

352 BLM" is now "protesting" schools being open?

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I thought this was about George Floyd?

Posted by: Two Weeks From Escaping to Virtual Reality to Be With My Digital Girlfriend at July 19, 2020 02:02 PM (+dsLj)

353 "BLM" is now "protesting" schools being open? WTF?
And how is any school in the Gouvernement General of MI open, now (for
summer school)??

Posted by: rhomboid at July 19, 2020 02:00 PM (OTzUX)

It's what George Kirby would have wanted

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 19, 2020 02:02 PM (VgLXY)

354 348 He is going to win his lawsuit, because the Oregon U.S. Attorney's office is going to take a dive in court.

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This could work to Trump's advantage, he has the argument now that he tried to go in to stop the violence but Oregon told him to piss off.

It's one thing not to do anything but it's another when you do attempt something but constantly get rebuffed by the courts and the left. Trump can now point to that and show they truly support terrorism and chaos.
Posted by: Two Weeks From Escaping to Virtual Reality to Be With My Digital Girlfriend at July 19, 2020 02:01 PM (+dsLj)

Simpler solution: fire the US Attorney. Didn't the Mocha Messiah fire ALL of them on his apotheosis to Emperor of Wakanda?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 19, 2020 02:02 PM (pmpob)

355 166 did anyone see what Trump said to Chris Wallace this morning? Wallace asks him about the confederate flag again, and if it is racist etc etc and segues into the controversy about renaming military posts. Trump shoots back, "What, are we gonna rename Ft Bragg after Al Sharpton??"

hahah Trollmaster 11.
Posted by: secret squirrel, author of Three LTs of Joint Base Lear MacBeth, a comedic play! on Amazon at July 19, 2020 12:49 PM (xyImL)

Chris Wallace is all brave when he's not challenged on his regular shows, but when Trump shows up he's all quiet and contrite. Trump goes off on Russian Collusion and the Mueller Hoax, and it's crickets from Chris.

I will never fault Trump on any response he makes in the midst of all of this nonsense. Never.

Why? McCarthy makes a big show of making a statement after John Lewis' passing, but he's like the missing kid on a milk crate when he should be on the talk shows either defending Trump, decrying BLM, or rebutting Pelosi's talking points.

Where's Scalise? Cruz? Lee? Bueller?

Trump is carrying this on his back by himself. We're supposed to have a GOP that defends Republican policies, and they are all MIA.

If they can't defend America when the threat is as clear as it was with the Soviets, what possible chance do we have for them speaking up for us on any other issue?

Posted by: Darrell Harris at July 19, 2020 02:03 PM (m2EfB)

356 336 How come all this antifa' fucks have iPhones and $3000 Nikons?
Posted by: Nevergiveup

Because they're all trustafarians.

I've mingled with and interacted with Antifa and Black Bloc 17 years now (dating back to my first reports). 90% of these guys and gals are from what the rest of the country would deem upper-middle-class homes. Parents who have lots of $$ and make an easy living as professors, lawyers, writers, techies, administrators, high-level civil servants, etc. etc. All liberal and lax in parenting and discipline. They let the kids run wild, yet still support them completely.

Most of the rest are all on SSI and get lavish government benefits.

Some are drug-dealers.

None are hurting financially.

Posted by: zombie at July 19, 2020 02:04 PM (HEEq1)

357 CORONA CASE: Gov. Tom Wolf and Richard Levine has been officially sued Pennsylvania Breaking News
Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at July 19, 2020 01:59 PM (1Dmt5)

Heh. They called him "Richard" instead of "Rachel". I didn't know media were allowed to acknowledge reality.

Posted by: Emmie at July 19, 2020 02:04 PM (+ljgK)

358
I had an idea for a new product. A .308 case made with extra metal
inside so that it has the internal volume of a.300 Blackout. Better for
quiet shooting.

Why not just get farther away, and use a regular .308? Or, you could just take up the extra powder room with a long bullet like a 225 grain ELD.

Posted by: An Observation at July 19, 2020 02:04 PM (c5NNu)

359 Yesterday on our local (Detroit area) news there was a story about a school superintendent of an upper middle class town. Evidently, on his Facebook, when asked if schools in his district would be opening in the fall, he said if it was up to him they would be. That in his opinion the whole thing was political-not a health threat to children. There are now petitions to fire him for having the wrong opinion. That is scary. The district he's in is Northville, and in the Detroit area, the BLM is protesting the schools being open for summer school.
Posted by: Chillin the most at July 19, 2020 01:56 PM (lonOK)

Lesson here: stay off of Fakebook.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 19, 2020 02:05 PM (Z+IKu)

360 They did. But if you think about it, we traditionally lose a lot of battles early in every one of our wars.

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That kind of baptism of fire tends to reveal the depth of a person's character. Palin means well but she didn't have the political acumen to handle the onslaught she faced.

Posted by: Two Weeks From Escaping to Virtual Reality to Be With My Digital Girlfriend at July 19, 2020 02:05 PM (+dsLj)

361 Lesson here: stay off of Fakebook.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 19, 2020 02:05 PM (Z+IKu)

That's an evergreen.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 19, 2020 02:06 PM (pmpob)

362 There are now petitions to fire him for having the wrong opinion.

No way.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at July 19, 2020 02:07 PM (3z0gk)

363 But if you think about it, we traditionally lose a lot of battles early in every one of our wars.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 19, 2020 02:01 PM (pmpob)

Thank you for the larger perspective, Jay.

Posted by: Emmie at July 19, 2020 02:07 PM (+ljgK)

364 If a molotov cocktail is free speech, then so is a lead projectile.

Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at July 19, 2020 02:07 PM (jWe5r)

365 That kind of baptism of fire tends to reveal the depth of a person's character. Palin means well but she didn't have the political acumen to handle the onslaught she faced.
Posted by: Two Weeks From Escaping to Virtual Reality to Be With My Digital Girlfriend at July 19, 2020 02:05 PM (+dsLj)

It does, but in her defense, she had to defend herself against 14 ethics violations (IIRC), and all at her own personal expense (owing to Alaskan law). The tab came to $500,000 (again IIRC), and doubtless clobbered her financially, with no end in sight.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 19, 2020 02:08 PM (pmpob)

366 Most of the rest are all on SSI and get lavish government benefits.

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It tells you something that they always seem to have time and money to protest 24 hours a day while those of us who have to work show up on weekends.

This is why the left lose their minds at low unemployment rates, especially for minorities. You're not going to pillage and loot when you're busy working and making a living.

Posted by: Two Weeks From Escaping to Virtual Reality to Be With My Digital Girlfriend at July 19, 2020 02:08 PM (+dsLj)

367 326 Basically, the Left is attacking on 4 fronts right now:
1. The Wuhan flu panic
2. The BLM/antifa front
3. The drive for vote by mail (fraud if all else fails)
4. The constant media attacks and censorship of conservatives.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&V. at July 19, 2020 01:26 PM (HabA/)

Desperation. If Trump gets re-elected (please, God) they know he'll pack the Federal judiciary with judges who will not wear the leftist crap. The left has made great advances through contaminating the judiciary, and Trump's re-election will end that shit in a big hurry, and preclude it for at least a generation.

That's why they're pulling out all the stops. They're desperate.

Closest analogy: look at the full court press they put on Sarah Palin. They were terrified of her: young, beautiful, charismatic, and a woman who could pose a real threat to them politically after being VP. They went nutso on her to preclude that.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 19, 2020 01:53 PM (pmpob)
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Donna and Deplorable Jay, these two posts put our current situation in perfect focus for me. Thank you.

Posted by: fly gal at July 19, 2020 02:09 PM (6CtMt)

368 They don't want firebombs to be free speech because that will be the answer to every Democrat's home and family...

Posted by: setnaffa at July 19, 2020 02:12 PM (eaJqd)

369 @355...that's right. I think Team DJT is slow right now and may not recover, but they're getting almost no help from ostensible allies. In their heart of hearts, most Congressional Rs would like to see the back of him I think Why, I'm not sure.

Posted by: occam's brassiere at July 19, 2020 02:13 PM (ja/kn)

370 One Hong Kong protester a few months ago had the used American flag as a symbol for freedom of speech. I made up my mind right there that burning the US flag should be illegal.

It is a bit like the old joke. The American diplomat is talking to the USSR counterpart. The American boasts that he can go into the oval office, and tell the President that he is doing a crummy job. "I too, can walk into Comrade General Secretary's office, and proclaim that the President is doing a crummy job."

These people who burn the American flag wish for a government that would not abide the tiniest criticism. The indulgence of a slavish destroyer.

Civic ignorance? Fuck you. Go to jail, and read some books while you're there.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 19, 2020 02:14 PM (LxTcq)

371 It does, but in her defense, she had to defend herself against 14 ethics violations (IIRC), and all at her own personal expense (owing to Alaskan law). The tab came to $500,000 (again IIRC), and doubtless clobbered her financially, with no end in sight.

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Yeah, I don't think she truly weighed the cost/benefit analysis of it all, I mean she hitched her wagon to McCain. Should have said no thanks, but then hindsight is always 20/20. I'm sure not even Trump really understood just how deep the rot was in the GOP either until his 4 years of hell.

Posted by: Two Weeks From Escaping to Virtual Reality to Be With My Digital Girlfriend at July 19, 2020 02:14 PM (+dsLj)

372 The reason nobody will see a GOPe congress critter on TV standing up for the President and/or criticizing the Democrat led uprising is because they are waiting to see who wins this war first. They currently align with the Democrats on most of the issues however should Trump win they'll have to decide if they want to switch their allegiance over to him. Some will posture, some will openly defy the President others will continue to stay silent. The politicians know this war isn't over. They'll not do anything to risk their criminal syndicate just yet.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 19, 2020 02:15 PM (3H9h1)

373 311 I can.

Posted by: jdgalt at July 19, 2020 02:16 PM (3SFo/)

374 Trump is carrying this on his back by himself. We're supposed to have a GOP that defends Republican policies, and they are all MIA.

If they can't defend America when the threat is as clear as it was with the Soviets, what possible chance do we have for them speaking up for us on any other issue?
Posted by: Darrell Harris at July 19, 2020 02:03 PM (m2EfB)
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This is why I want to contribute to Trump's reelection without going through the GOP organization. A direct check to Trump seems to get reduced by a large fraction but I guess them's the rules.

Posted by: fly gal at July 19, 2020 02:17 PM (6CtMt)

375 Civic ignorance? Fuck you. Go to jail, and read some books while you're there.

************

They burn and trample our flags here with glee meanwhile Iranians refuse to walk over our flag even under threat of a despotic government and Hong Kong protestors wave them like it's the second coming of Jesus. See I believe immigration helped build this country, so let's emigrate these fucks to Iran and we'll take those Iranians and HongKongers.

Posted by: Two Weeks From Escaping to Virtual Reality to Be With My Digital Girlfriend at July 19, 2020 02:17 PM (+dsLj)

376 In their heart of hearts, most Congressional Rs would like to see the back of him I think Why, I'm not sure.

Interfering with their graft gig as the Washington Generals symbolic opposition.

Posted by: An Observation at July 19, 2020 02:17 PM (c5NNu)

377 >>The reason nobody will see a GOPe congress critter on TV standing up for the President and/or criticizing the Democrat led uprising is because they are waiting to see who wins this war first.

I saw Doug Collins who is right in the middle of a heated battle for the Senate do it today. He went after the leadership in Congress and of Portland for turning a blind eye to the violence.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 19, 2020 02:19 PM (ZLI7S)

378
The existing precedent is too permissive. Setting fire to a Molotov
cocktail -- or a cross -- in public view is a threat-by-gesture to kill
people or burn property. And if courts permit either, then civilians
wind up having to fight back against the threatener physically because
the police aren't willing to do it.
Of course, the same holds true if
the police chicken out and/or obey an order to stand down, regardless
of whether that order comes from treasonous officials like those in
Portland.

Posted by: jdgalt at July 19, 2020 01:47 PM (3SFo/)

Lighting crosses is not the same as lighting Molotov cocktails. One is protected speech (really... SCOTUS ruled it was even if you find it repugnant) and the other is lighting an incendiary device.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at July 19, 2020 02:21 PM (nAiE/)

379 I saw Doug Collins who is right in the middle of a heated battle for the Senate do it today. He went after the leadership in Congress and of Portland for turning a blind eye to the violence.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 19, 2020 02:19 PM (ZLI7S)

While Loeffler is silent. I guess the stock sale issue has muzzled her for the foreseeable future.

Bravo to Collins. I'm going to contribute to his campaign.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at July 19, 2020 02:25 PM (m2EfB)

380 I saw Doug Collins who is right in the middle of a heated battle for the Senate do it today. He went after the leadership in Congress and of Portland for turning a blind eye to the violence.

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This shit that NOBODY in the GOP is standing up needs to stop. Yes many of the leaders are shitbags, but you have Devin Nunes, Matt Gaetz, Jim Jordan, Josh Hawley, Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, and a lot of others consistently defending Trump and doing yeoman's work.

Posted by: Two Weeks From Escaping to Virtual Reality to Be With My Digital Girlfriend at July 19, 2020 02:26 PM (+dsLj)

381 This shit that NOBODY in the GOP is standing up needs to stop. Yes many of the leaders are shitbags, but you have Devin Nunes, Matt Gaetz, Jim Jordan, Josh Hawley, Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, and a lot of others consistently defending Trump and doing yeoman's work.
Posted by: Two Weeks From Escaping to Virtual Reality to Be With My Digital Girlfriend at July 19, 2020 02:26 PM (+dsLj)

Twitter doesn't count.

Having these guys go on the echo chamber that is what's left of Fox doesn't count that much either. I listen to the Sunday talk shows on the way to and from church, and I swear that the Uniparty talk coming out of my car speakers is enough to make me almost lose my salvation.

What, their staffs can't get anyone but Bartiromo on speed dial to get them in front of a TV or radio?

I know that they are what counts as a defense, but if some BLM nobody can get on one of these networks, I should be seeing them on there as well.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at July 19, 2020 02:33 PM (m2EfB)

382 >>This shit that NOBODY in the GOP is standing up needs to stop. Yes many of the leaders are shitbags, but you have Devin Nunes, Matt Gaetz, Jim Jordan, Josh Hawley, Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, and a lot of others consistently defending Trump and doing yeoman's work.

The left controls 90% of the media. Not exactly a shocking development that a lot of voices on our side get muted or when they are interviewed are put on the defensive.

Look at how Wallace treated Trump today. It was attack, attack, attack.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 19, 2020 02:33 PM (ZLI7S)

383 "But it also illuminates the Left's profound misunderstanding of speech"

While stupid, they are not that stupid. They don't believe that, it's just their thin wrapping over the plan of "murder all who disagree".

Posted by: Earl_Harbinger at July 19, 2020 02:35 PM (x+z0n)

384 The left controls 90% of the media. Not exactly a shocking development that a lot of voices on our side get muted or when they are interviewed are put on the defensive.

Look at how Wallace treated Trump today. It was attack, attack, attack.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 19, 2020 02:33 PM (ZLI7S)

I would simply just love one of these guys go on even a friendly show and tell everyone the behind-the-scenes skinny on how the sausage is made on those stations. Name names.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at July 19, 2020 02:36 PM (m2EfB)

385 So we get to toss Molotov cocktails at the schiffheads crib? Free speech?

This is going to be fun. And his effing lawyer might like some free speech tossed at his house.

And the judge that doesn't grant a summary judgment conviction needs some free speech.

Posted by: torabora at July 19, 2020 02:39 PM (9SBL+)

386 https://bit.ly/2CTX4Sz
*******
Mark Meadows on Spygate: "It's All Starting to Unravel - It's Time for People to Go to Jail"

Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at July 19, 2020 02:43 PM (1Dmt5)

387 "Mark Meadows on Spygate: "It's All Starting to Unravel - It's Time for People to Go to Jail"

ROTFLMAO.......Unravel???

You paying attention Meadows. Not only will these leftist scumbags walk should Trump lose (not going to happen) but may even walk when he wins.

Hell, federal agents are watching rioters burn down federal buildings and the people that they "witnesses" the crime are walking left and right.

Sorry, I meant only left.

Posted by: Drider at July 19, 2020 02:50 PM (R/UH9)

388 #275 Trump has decamped from NYC to Mar a Lago.

He's got some voter registration problems because Mar a Lago has a one week residency problems there per it's charter as a business.

Trump may be a D.C. voter.

Posted by: torabora at July 19, 2020 02:52 PM (9SBL+)

389 Trump is going to get at least 25 percent of the Black vote thanks to white liberals. The same white liberals are going to burn down black city's for not obeying them.

Posted by: OBEY MY WHITE TRASH ASS at July 19, 2020 03:23 PM (IRCbI)

390 Mark Meadows on Spygate: "It's All Starting to Unravel - It's Time for People to Go to Jail"

Welcome to the party, pal.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com lives again at July 19, 2020 03:27 PM (SchxB)

391 John Lewis services in Atlanta today. Peaceful memorials funeral and gatherings and speeches only. No need to avoid the city today.

However the crowd will honor him by beating some white cops. (Peacefully)

Posted by: Ripley at July 19, 2020 03:39 PM (MxEKc)

392 Does a Molotov Cocktail serve as free speech? I'd say yes, and I'd say any deadly force response is also protected free speech. Speech isn't just speech, and that goes both ways.

Posted by: Cybersmythe at July 19, 2020 03:49 PM (edlKR)

393 My right to hurl a molotov cocktail ends where your precinct station begins.
And free speech does not encompass the right to shout "FIRE!" in a crowded theater (unless you just hurled a molotov cocktail into it and are having second thoughts).

Posted by: jbspry at July 19, 2020 04:02 PM (ATe9j)

394 Cisco has gone way off the deep end. We made a conscious decision to never, ever buy from them again.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at July 19, 2020 12:51 PM

I made that decision years ago because they make overpriced junk.

Posted by: Cybersmythe at July 19, 2020 08:38 PM (edlKR)

395 :face_vomiting:

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