Gun Thread: Not My Best Work Edition! [Weasel]

So I take a couple of rifles and my steadily growing pile of video crap to the farm for a few days with all sorts of plans to come home with a ton of material for the Gun Thread. Well, things didn't go quite as planned. I ended up doing a fair amount of vigorous organic tree farming which cut into my creative time as an independent filmmaker, and I only managed to shoot one of the two rifles. I promised "you people" an M1 Carbine video next, but that's going to have to wait for next time. Let's take a peek below and find out what I did shoot, shall we?

Not My Best Work
Okey-Dokey. As I mention in the video, the M1A is one of my favorite rifles to shoot, which is probably why I started filming it first this week. Unfortunately, the WeaselAcres rifle range was angry, and I seemed to have one of those days, group-wise, as you'll see in the video. But I tried really hard!

As much as I'd like to blame it on the iron sights, the ammo, or my socks being too tight; truth is I just pulled a shot and it's sitting out there to the left all lonely and by itself, mocking me, and I own it. It was round #4, and as I set up for the shot and started to squeeze the trigger, I knew it didn't "feel" right, and I should have backed off and started over. If you look closely at the video, you can see me squirming all over the place trying to get the proper setup behind the gun. Instead, I forged bravely ahead, clearly not set, and ruined the group. It didn't need to happen.

There are a couple of lessons to learn here. First, if it doesn't feel right, stop what you're doing and regroup. If you need to, put the gun down and walk around flapping your arms singing God Bless America, then go back and start over. You see this type of thing in competitive shooters new to the sport. They get in a hurry or try and cheat a wind change, then blow a shot left or right. Do not be in a hurry and do not go all Rambo on the trigger instead of focusing on fundamentals. A lot of poorly executed shots do not equal one well executed shot. I don't know how many rifle shots I've taken, but it's in the neighborhood of a gazillion, and shooting has become second nature to me. Don't ignore the little voice telling you something isn't right, like I did. Trust the fundamentals.

Second, unless you're defending a hill under assault and low on ammo, get over it. Refocus and regroup, and get back to making well executed shots. I have seen otherwise decent shooters take themselves completely out of contention in a match by not being able to recover after one errant shot. Don't get so flustered by a bad shot number 4, that you screw up shots 5 through 20. Everyone has a bad day at the range. Everyone. Sometimes the breaks go your way and sometimes they don't. Don't compound your misery by letting a poor shot get into your head. Shake it off and get back to work.

'Nuff said.

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First up, our ol' pal Blake sends us the following nifty item:

I was cleaning my 1911 and M1 on my new cleaning mat and it came to me: Photo Op!
I went looking for a cleaning mat, as I am averse to grease and oil on the bench I also use for wood working projects. With a bit of searching, I found this cleaning mat featuring the "Greatest Battle Implement Ever Devised." It took a bit of searching, as there are a lot of cleaning mats featuring scary black rifles with the chainsaw bayonet attachment, thingy that goes up and 10 zillion round clip. Take that, scary black rifle owners! Any of you ever had an AR called, "The Greatest Battle Implement Ever Devised" by the most politically incorrect general who ever lived?
I thought so.
-Blake - semi lurker in marginal standing

Nice M1 and 1911, bro! And a very cool cleaning mat. And your bench is way too neat and clean and tidy.

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Next, our pal C K sends us the following pictures of how a normal work area should look:

Thought I'd send some pictures of a not so perfect gun shop, but it's perfect for me.

C K goes on to tell us about some load development work with his new chronograph.

Also, I snagged a Caldwell chrono for $61 on Amazon. I put 60 rounds of 75gn 223 (too slow 2600fps) and 50 rounds of 150gn 308 (too fast 3050 fps) through it without a hiccup and it kept track of everything on my phone. I think I'll bump the 223 up to around 2750 and slow the 308 down to 2900 or 2950. My brother and SIL visited from Cal so another scary black rifle went back to the former Golden State.

Thanks C K! I think you will see good results with the 150 gr .308 between 2900 and 2950 fps. Don't forget, once you find a stable load in that range, tune the load for seating depth. You can generally see impressive performance gains this way!

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Next, our pal Long Running Fool sends us the results of a range trip with his new precision setup.

So I put together that precision rifle system - Ruger Precision in 6.5 Creedmoor, Athlon Cronus BTR scope, Magpul bipod, Hornady 147 grain match ammunition. None of it terribly expensive for the precision world; in the normal world, it's a chunk of change, but of good quality. Took it for a test today. Outdoor range, 100 yards. The second picture shows the last five rounds I fired. I'm more than happy especially since this only my second time ever working with a precision rifle.
Ps. Now have set meetings every week with 2 sets of newbies to teach some basics. One is my nephew, he's just about ready for some good classroom/range training and I've told him I'll spring for the cost.

Nice work, Long Running Fool! Thank you for the report on the Ruger. How do you like the 6.5 Creedmoor so far? And especially good work on introducing new shooters to the sport. I cannot overemphasize the importance of this to you all. Please follow Long Running Fool's example and take someone shooting!!

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Finally we have a really slick case cleaning tool made by our pal Neon Madman

Here's a pic of a something I built up a year or so ago out of some spare parts in the workshop and a few pieces from the hardware store. I generally use it for primer pocket cleaning, you can see an RCBS primer pocket brush chucked in the business end. With other brushes, it also works well for inside-the-case brushing and revolver cylinder cleaning. Saves wear and tear on my arthritic old hands. One of these days I will build up a motorized version. Yes, I know that I can buy various "Case Prep Centers", but all of them cost well north of $100 and I am thrifty which my wife pronounces as "cheap".

Very nice, Neon Madman! That's an excellent way to put your skills to use, make something useful, and save a few bucks in the bargain! A cordless screwdriver might be a good solution for a motor. Very cool.

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Virginia

Well isn't this special?

Virginia state police runs illegal background checks on Virginians courtesy Virginia Citizens Defense League

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Open Blogger at 07:00 PM

Comments

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1 Hi Weasel.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 28, 2020 07:01 PM (3D/fK)

2 You may fire when ready

Posted by: Skip at June 28, 2020 07:01 PM (6f16T)

3 Yay gub thread!

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 28, 2020 07:03 PM (cfSRQ)

4 Where is our little doggeh?

Posted by: Infidel at June 28, 2020 07:04 PM (PWFH5)

5 All right!! pew pew thread!!Now to check out Garand video.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 28, 2020 07:04 PM (uyKdz)

6 Where is our little doggeh?
Posted by: Infidel at June 28, 2020 07:04 PM (PWFH5)
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Little Joe is near the end of the vid.

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 07:05 PM (MVjcR)

7 Oops, not the Garnad DOH!!!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 28, 2020 07:06 PM (uyKdz)

8 Bought a big tub of .22 LR this week.

I don't even own a weapon chambered in .22!

Posted by: Tonypete at June 28, 2020 07:07 PM (Rvt88)

9 Bought a big tub of .22 LR this week.

I don't even own a weapon chambered in .22!

Posted by: Tonypete at June 28, 2020 07:07 PM (Rvt8

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Well if you needed a reason to get one, now you have it!

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 07:08 PM (MVjcR)

10 Tonypete

Trade goods. 5 .22LR for one antibiotic pill.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 28, 2020 07:08 PM (u82oZ)

11 I may be breaking the rules and banned but Fox saying Trump may drop out because of the numbers - these people keep striking the match. So how many platforms should one have (different calibers in my parlance) and how many rounds per?

Posted by: Heart of Darkness at June 28, 2020 07:09 PM (nFRLh)

12 I'm going for 20 and 2500.

Posted by: Heart of Darkness at June 28, 2020 07:10 PM (nFRLh)

13 Hey Weasel, thanks for the post. I have too questions for discussion.

1) Does ammo have an expiration date?

2) How do you tell if your ammo has expired (I mean besides having it misfire while you are actually trying to shoot something?

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at June 28, 2020 07:12 PM (nAiE/)

14 Yo!
With all the mayhem in the streets, I am getting ever closer to my first gun purchase.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 28, 2020 07:12 PM (CjFDo)

15 Two not too... homonyms: how do they work?

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at June 28, 2020 07:12 PM (nAiE/)

16 I actually used a yellow star (3x5 inch) target with my grands today at 7 yards with a Red Ryder - 7 yo was 8/10 and 4 yo was 6/10. Proud Pop!

Posted by: Heart of Darkness at June 28, 2020 07:12 PM (nFRLh)

17 " A lot of poorly executed shots do not equal one well executed shot."

Weasel, seeing as how my dad passed in 2011, how did you know one of his most common sayings to me every time I had to use the single-shot 12g Henry's, while bitching because he wouldn't let me use his 870 or his 1100?

It did get me to earn my own money picking berries in order to afford my Mossberg 500, though.

Dad always seemed to be a step or two ahead.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 28, 2020 07:13 PM (sy5kK)

18 Little Joe doesn't say much!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 28, 2020 07:13 PM (aKsyK)

19 So Mrs VIA ran into a little .22 Semi-auto called the Firefly while hanging out in a pawn shop with me.

After looking at the inter webs and such, it seems that some like them, some do not.

And of course, every gun shop in the state is sold out of them right now.

Any thoughts on them for practice and fun?

Seeing as I have about 18,000 rounds of various .22lr laying around in B'More, waiting for me to rescue them, and our cat, it's not like I would need to go out and buy another caliber.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 28, 2020 07:13 PM (3D/fK)

20 Weasel another good video, Little Joe is cute

Posted by: Skip at June 28, 2020 07:14 PM (6f16T)

21 Wife was 5/10, yikes - but she is a regional champ with a shotgun so that works.

Posted by: Heart of Darkness at June 28, 2020 07:14 PM (nFRLh)

22 HoMeBoy sights! That is just great. Thanks, T-Rex Wrangler and thanks Weasel!

Posted by: Eromero at June 28, 2020 07:14 PM (XhWtx)

23 Unfortunately, the WeaselAcres rifle range was angry, and I seemed to have one of those days, group-wise, as you'll see in the video. But I tried really hard!

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need moar blood sakrifiz

Posted by: Wrazl Akers Spiritz at June 28, 2020 07:14 PM (WwTwF)

24 While I am not a shooter or even a gun owner, I do find these gun threads very interesting, Weasel.. and read all the way through..

Thanks!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 28, 2020 07:15 PM (CjFDo)

25 and weasel dog stop peeing on us!

Posted by: Wrazl Akers Spiritz at June 28, 2020 07:15 PM (WwTwF)

26 I can't wait until this time next year when I will have CAT Acres with my very own 100yd range.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 28, 2020 07:15 PM (dNzKv)

27 Aw, ain't Little Joe a cute l'il fella!

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 28, 2020 07:15 PM (NWiLs)

28 out in the yard clearing up a long standing mess...

stopped in to read the content and say "high!"

also, just got a fund raising text bleg for Slow Joey Fingers...

i'd send back "LOLGF", but i like the idea of them wasting their time, money and effort contacting me over and over... as little as that cost may be.

if enough people did it, it might actually result in a noticeable drain on their expenses...

only gun news here, other than me loading up 400 rounds of 30.06 in Garand clips is that our new Barrett O/U shotgun is set to ship out tomorrow.

yes, Barrett.

back later, or on the ONT.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 28, 2020 07:16 PM (9RkTh)

29 Trolls are out early tonight I see.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at June 28, 2020 07:16 PM (nAiE/)

30 To answer the question of the week, yes, I was at the range this week.

It was sublime.

For the past few weeks my friend and I have been conducting some basic self-defense themed shooting. We set up four man-sized targets at 7 yards then try to score 4 hits (one per target) using 5 rounds.

At first it was very casual, just learning to transition, trying not to hurry. Now we're timing each other just to get a feel for how fast is "fast."

Anyway, my friend was tearing it up with his mirror-shined stainless CZ-75 in 9mm. I was enjoying the Astra 300's quickness and agility, something I've commented on here before. It is a wonderful light pocket cannon and if you get one without the Hitler stamp, very reasonably priced.

I had also been testing out my self-built Mauser C96 which had gotten new grips and even more replacement parts (how did the *safety catch* break in half like that????).

Anyhow, just for kicks I thought I try the self defense drill with the Broomhandle.

Holy crap. It was *awesome.*

I did two courses of fire and my friend was amazed at how fast the old beast was. Then we looked at the targets.

Pure carnage. Dead center hits. Here I'd been trying to do slow-fire, fussy crap and then I learn that this thing is a BEAST for self-defense.

Which, if you think about it, was kind of its job. I mean Churchill dropped a bunch of Dervishes with one, amirite?

Anyhow, I've always enjoyed the C96 even though its frequent breakages and ongoing restoration get frustrating at times, but TODAY was the day I actually loved it for doing its job, putting that fancy CZ totally in its place.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 28, 2020 07:16 PM (cfSRQ)

31 Pray and buy ammo. Whether we win in Nov. or lose, the fight is here. Pray. The Isralites won many battles against enemies with greater numbers. Faith and obediance carried the day.

Posted by: azalea city at June 28, 2020 07:16 PM (WX+x0)

32 My next purchase is going to be a garand. Just need the money, the right time and the right weapon.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 28, 2020 07:17 PM (dNzKv)

33

There is NO 9mm for sale at sgammo.com.

None.

Even in the 2012 shortage, there was always some crappy Wolf steel stuff at least.

Now, just 9mm birdshot.

Ammoseek showed me a couple of places, with limits of 100 to 250 rounds.

I didn't need any, but of course one can never have enough ammo.

geez, wtf?

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 28, 2020 07:17 PM (sy5kK)

34 Will say if I ever got a rifle always wanted a Garand, because they won't let me have a BAR.

Posted by: Skip at June 28, 2020 07:19 PM (6f16T)

35 Dammit Weasel, Heidi and I couldn't stop laughing at your interpreter and couldn't finish the damn video.

I have AR kit build questions so let me get my shit together.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 28, 2020 07:19 PM (+EL0E)

36 Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at June 28, 2020 07:12 PM (nAiE/)
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It never really expires. Depending on how it's stored it can be fine for decades. It's hard to tell from the exterior, though.

If you're in doubt, you can pull the bullet and see what the powder is like, but I just normally shoot it and see what happens.

Hope that helps, I'm sure others will weigh in.

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 07:19 PM (MVjcR)

37 I really really really need to get to the range...

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 28, 2020 07:20 PM (NWiLs)

38 Long time lurker. Former serious hunter and part time competitive shooter.Gave all that up years ago. Started plinking again last year. Got a Ruger Mark IV Hunter 22lr on order. Just got an update email for shipping. Three bricks of ammo on order per instructions. I'm antsy like a kid at Christmas.
Enjoy this thread. Thanks Weasel.

Posted by: Randall H at June 28, 2020 07:20 PM (iViqu)

39 Left Coast- proving 9mm is types, deletes. Have more than one platform. Have to think of scrounging in the end times.

Posted by: Heart of Darkness at June 28, 2020 07:20 PM (nFRLh)

40 hiya

Posted by: JT at June 28, 2020 07:21 PM (arJlL)

41 "1) Does ammo have an expiration date?"

I have some spam cans from the 70's that are perfectly fine.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 28, 2020 07:21 PM (3D/fK)

42 And Gunga la Gunga !

Posted by: JT at June 28, 2020 07:21 PM (arJlL)

43 Posted by: Randall H at June 28, 2020 07:20 PM (iViqu)
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Howdy and welcome! Glad you like it!

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 07:21 PM (MVjcR)

44 Faith and obediance carried the day.

Posted by: azalea city at June 28, 2020 07:16 PM (WX+x0)

I read 'obedience' as "ordinance".

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 28, 2020 07:22 PM (+EL0E)

45 Howdy, Weasel!
How do I like the 6.5 Creedmoor?
Any gun that can make me look that good gets to stay. It's not fancy (for the precision world) but, boy, do I like how it shoots. And I've got an Athlon Cronus BTR for a scope that seems to be up to the task, too.
Ordered more ammo for training with the .45 Shield I carry. Absolutely going to have to reload everything at the rate things are going.

Posted by: Long Running Fool at June 28, 2020 07:22 PM (RnS3H)

46 Ya know, in the can't make the MoMee pic, the people look as though they're reacting to a fart !

Posted by: JT at June 28, 2020 07:22 PM (arJlL)

47 I definition covet the RPR in 6.5 creedmoor. I talk myself out of it because i don't really have a range to frequent, so it would just sit.

I've got a trijicon accupoint 6-20 to mate with it, but i don't know where I'd be able to really stretch its legs.

So much coveting.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, LOL, get fucked at June 28, 2020 07:23 PM (CldWf)

48 Don't worry about it, Weasel. You did your best. Gold star and participation trophy for you!

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 28, 2020 07:23 PM (NWiLs)

49 20 Weasel another good video, Little Joe is cute
Posted by: Skip at June 28, 2020 07:14 PM (6f16T)
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Thanks, Skip! He's a little nut.

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 07:23 PM (MVjcR)

50 oh a question I had - I've never tried to buy ammo online - is it a simple process? (PA)

Posted by: vmom 2020 - anti Brutal Looting Marxists at June 28, 2020 07:23 PM (WwTwF)

51 So, I do not have a range report but I did go and get some more ammo from my favorite sporting shop. This is the shop that I purchased my Sig P226 from and used as the FFL for the Savage 110.I did not need 9mm ammo as I still have 1k rounds but I wanted more .308 in anticipation of hitting the range and working on zeroing the scope some more.There were about 3-4 customers with one guy at the computer filling out his 4473. The shop had a table right at the door where you had to wait. As I was leaving with my ammo there was a couple waiting there and one of the guys behind the counter asked them what could they help them with. The guy responded he was looking for a shotgun for home defense. Guy behind the counter said they were all sold out. Interesting times in America.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 28, 2020 07:24 PM (uyKdz)

52 My next purchase just has to be NVG. I just keep on
having to buy clutches and starters and water pumps. My 'hobby' is going without.

Posted by: Eromero at June 28, 2020 07:24 PM (XhWtx)

53 Nice rifle Weasel! Good shooting too!

This week was USA vs CCCP week, as in Rock Island 1911 GI vs. 1936 Tokarev TT-33.

No need to explain the 1911, just a bare bones pistol in GI issued form, wooden grips and all. The Tokarev is basically a Soviet ripoff of the 1911 design, with minor tweaks to make it cheaper to produce and major tweaks in the round is smaller but much , much faster.

I have been shooting a 1911 in one form or another my whole adult life, so it is one of my favorites and I feel very comfortable shooting one. Accurate, feels good in my hands and always delivers the goods. Shot Armscor 230 grain FMJ and no issues.

The Tokarev, while very similar, is quite different. Light, with a weird straight/short grip, she looks odd but also feels good in the hand and shoots lights out. Snappy, but in a good way. The one I have was made in 1936, so after 84 years she is still in very good shape. I shot Sellier & Bellot 85 grain FMJ and no issues either.

I find it fascinating that John Browning was such a genius that his pistol works well in both .45 caliber and when stolen by the Commies and tweaked a bit still delivers the goods in 7.62 X 25 Tokarev.

Word is Rock Island bought the Colt machinery in the PI back in the day and just keeps cranking out the original M1911 which is a good thing.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 28, 2020 07:25 PM (Z+IKu)

54 Posted by: Long Running Fool at June 28, 2020 07:22 PM (RnS3H)
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Our pal RI Red is shooting the same caliber with good results too!

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 07:25 PM (MVjcR)

55 Virginia

Well isn't this special?

Virginia state police runs illegal background checks on Virginians courtesy Virginia Citizens Defense League

WHAT A FANTASTIC IDEA!!!!!

- Emperor Jay Inslee
- Lt. Emperor and Maoist, Cyrus Habib
- AG and Senior Jackboot Thug, Bob Ferguson

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg, abandoning Plan A, executing Plan B, and Plan C is now on the board at June 28, 2020 07:26 PM (sy5kK)

56 Ya know Weasel, you drive the CLEANEST tractor I ever saw !

Posted by: JT at June 28, 2020 07:26 PM (arJlL)

57 50 oh a question I had - I've never tried to buy ammo online - is it a simple process? (PA)
Posted by: vmom 2020 - anti Brutal Looting Marxists at June 28, 2020 07:23 PM (WwTwF)
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Should be easy in PA!

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 07:26 PM (MVjcR)

58 I'm stupid, nevermind.

Posted by: Infidel at June 28, 2020 07:27 PM (PWFH5)

59 48 Don't worry about it, Weasel. You did your best. Gold star and participation trophy for you!
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 28, 2020 07:23 PM (NWiLs)
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I have shamed myself and my ancestors.

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 07:27 PM (MVjcR)

60 VA State Cops run illegal background checks on Virginians?

I cringe at the word "reform" but here's a "reform": stop giving the bloody cops more to do. As the cops ARE human they have the same tendencies and inclination to corruption and abuse of power as anyone else, so one of the best ways to prevent temptation is to simply NOT give them more to do and more power to do it.

Anyways, the worst day at the range is the one where you are absent. Nearly five months and counting. Damnit.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 28, 2020 07:28 PM (ejsiI)

61 If you're in doubt, you can pull the bullet and see what the powder is like, but I just normally shoot it and see what happens.

Hope that helps, I'm sure others will weigh in.

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 07:19 PM (MVjcR)

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I've been shooting 9mm Largo made in 1962. It was stored well and seems to shoot fine. No issues other than some feeding problems, but that could be from the old magazines as well as the age of the weapon.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 28, 2020 07:28 PM (cfSRQ)

62 58 I'm stupid, nevermind.
Posted by: Infidel at June 28, 2020 07:27 PM (PWFH5)

Give yourself some credit. You're not THAT stupid.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 28, 2020 07:28 PM (NWiLs)

63 35 Dammit Weasel, Heidi and I couldn't stop laughing at your interpreter and couldn't finish the damn video.
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Was that the fake guy from Mandela's funeral?

Also, Little Joe is cute as a button. Needs a tad more meat, though.

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at June 28, 2020 07:28 PM (EhN2W)

64 oh a question I had - I've never tried to buy ammo online - is it a simple process? (PA)
Posted by: vmom 2020 - anti Brutal Looting Marxists at June 28, 2020 07:23 PM (WwTwF)
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Should be easy in PA!
Posted by: Weasel

And if it isn't, we'll scrape up the bail money.

Posted by: JT at June 28, 2020 07:28 PM (arJlL)

65 The sign language guy was really distracting. I couldn't stop watching him.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 28, 2020 07:28 PM (qc+VF)

66 56 Ya know Weasel, you drive the CLEANEST tractor I ever saw !
Posted by: JT at June 28, 2020 07:26 PM (arJlL)
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I love that tractor!

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 07:29 PM (MVjcR)

67 Washington Nearsider, I'm in exactly the same boat: I would love to have a Ruger Precision Rifle, and I'd love to have Long Running Fool's shooting skills.

But what's the point? I have 5 or 6 bolt-actions I haven't taken out in years. Literally years.

I'm starting to down-size my collection, to be honest -- sort of a gun-centric version of that simplification thing that Swedes do before they die. Not that I'm dying soon; I'm just focusing on my hobby of high-functioning alcoholism, and I've deprioritized other things, like shooting.

I'll keep an AR in 308, about 1000 rounds for that, a few handguns, and my Ruger M77 in 0.270, just in case we ever get into an actual shooting-type shit-hits-the-fan situation. But at this point I'd say that kind of resolution to "these troubled times" is the best-case scenario, and not very likely.

Posted by: Pastafarian at June 28, 2020 07:29 PM (sgHEm)

68 Also, Little Joe is cute as a button. Needs a tad more meat, though.
Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at June 28, 2020 07:28 PM (EhN2W)

I rate this statement as true.

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at June 28, 2020 07:30 PM (NWiLs)

69 Ya know Weasel, you drive the CLEANEST tractor I ever saw !
Posted by: JT at June 28, 2020 07:26 PM (arJlL)
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I love that tractor!
Posted by: Weasel

Okay, okay, keep yer overalls on !

Posted by: JT at June 28, 2020 07:30 PM (arJlL)

70 No different than addressing the ball.
If it doesn't feel right, back off.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 28, 2020 07:30 PM (axyOa)

71 Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 28, 2020 07:15 PM (CjFDo)
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Why thank you!

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 07:31 PM (MVjcR)

72 olddog, you didn't get to see where he started from.

Wesel and WW are saints in that little guys life.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 28, 2020 07:31 PM (CSvq/)

73 One of the benefits of teleworking now full time is that I don't have to enter a federal building every day, which means I can now carry every day, everywhere, particularly when I'm driving. Which got me to thinking (the 911 call from the lady in Fredericksburg caught in the "peaceful" demonstration came to mind) -- if I ever have to light somebody up while I'm inside the car, I'm going to lose what little hearing I have left. So I got a couple of pairs of ear plugs to keep in the cup holder. I realize that if the SHTF I may not have time to put them in, but having them handy couldn't hurt.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at June 28, 2020 07:31 PM (u4Szx)

74 No different than addressing the ball.

"Hello ball ."

Posted by: JT at June 28, 2020 07:31 PM (arJlL)

75 No different than addressing the ball.

Much easier addressing an envelope.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 28, 2020 07:31 PM (NWiLs)

76 So Heidi and I (I love her more now) put our 18.5 inch barrel and Knox Breacher Stock on my 12 Gauge 870. However, the forend they sent me hangs up so I put the wooden Rem original back on. Heidi calls it a Franken-gun. And loves the feel of it. The stock has a spring in it that allows movement aft to take up recoil and gets good reviews. I'll call CDNN Sports tomorrow. I think I was supposed to get another choke and tool. Now I want a mag extension.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 28, 2020 07:31 PM (+EL0E)

77 35 Dammit Weasel, Heidi and I couldn't stop laughing at your interpreter and couldn't finish the damn video.

I have AR kit build questions so let me get my shit together.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 28, 2020 07:19 PM (+EL0E)
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I had a lot of fun with that!

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 07:32 PM (MVjcR)

78 Went to the range this week and they were closed, due to thunderstorms. However I went last week, with my youngest son's double-barrelled 12-ga, went two rounds on the trap range and damned if I didn't hit 60-75% of the clays. This, for me, is phenomenal.

::pats self on back::

Posted by: Annalucia at June 28, 2020 07:32 PM (S6ArX)

79 Range and Ripoff Report...

Took the 6.5 Creedmoor out this afternoon with three different brands of factory ammunition. My gun decided it liked Nosler 120 gr. Accutips the best. I managed to shoot an excellent group at 200 yards minus one stupid flyer. I'll call it a success. As for the "Ripoff", I posted this last week but received no reply's, so as a public service, I'll post it again. If you decide to purchase a firearm from someone selling on Armslist, do so in person! Never transfer money via wire, CashApp, PayPal, etc. That place is fraud central, and the site owners do next to nothing to combat the scammers. Be careful out there.

Posted by: PacosMojo at June 28, 2020 07:32 PM (ivZ+f)

80 That Deplorable SOB Van Owen

keep a set of earmuffs in the center console.

Posted by: JT at June 28, 2020 07:33 PM (arJlL)

81 Posted by: Pastafarian at June 28, 2020 07:29 PM (sgHEm)

Yes. Very much the same boat, it sounds like.

On the one hand, it seems necessary and proper to have a long range platform in case things really go sideways.

On the other, how the hell do I become proficient with that platform between now and the burning times?

Seems a poor investment if I can't get also invest the time into training.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, LOL, get fucked at June 28, 2020 07:33 PM (T8HPM)

82 Call me crazy, but...

Even with nearly 10 years with concealed carry/LTC, I never had carried all that much. Reason being is that I plot my trips a great deal and many times they involve places where carry is not allowed (federal property, for instance; if I want to run out to Cannon, Goodfellow, etc even keeping a gun in the vehicle is not an option). None of my jobs permit carry, so oftentimes I didn't even bother with a holster. So usually I leave the gun in the truck and call it good.

Now? With the craziness going on, I now always put on the holster so that when I travel the gun is always on my person, even if I have to ditch it in the vehicle for the job or a trip to the bank or whatever. The holster ALWAYS goes on now, so that if/when I'm not in a place where carry is explicitly prohibited, I have the G26 at my side, ready to go.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 28, 2020 07:33 PM (ejsiI)

83 Good evening, y'all.

First: Loved the video. I was aware the M1A was based on the Garand but I've never handled an M1A so that was new.

Second: The inset with the 'interpreter' was hilarious.

Third: The caution about taking your time and backing off as needed can't be overstated. Even when plinking, I want the best result. Given my limitless patience (unbelievable snark) it takes effort.

Fourth: The pup is adorable! And I never get tired of WD.

Fifth: That link about the crap investigations by the Virginia state cops and the scum in Richmond really pissed me off. But I wasn't surprised given the POS cast of characters in the state house.

Posted by: JTB at June 28, 2020 07:34 PM (7EjX1)

84 There's a gun out there called the Creedmoor?

When I was growing up, it was the name of the local (Queens, NY) loony bin.

Posted by: Annalucia at June 28, 2020 07:34 PM (S6ArX)

85 Anyways, the worst day at the range is the one where you are absent. Nearly five months and counting. Damnit.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 28, 2020 07:28 PM (ejsiI)
You could always come up here. You would have to be my "cousin" to be able to shoot at my range. And you would only be able to shoot a bolt action rifle in .308 as the Peoples Republic of NYC deems it to dangerous for me to bring my hand held pew pew across the Hudson.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 28, 2020 07:34 PM (uyKdz)

86 Was that the fake guy from Mandela's funeral?

Also, Little Joe is cute as a button. Needs a tad more meat, though.
Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at June 28, 2020 07:28 PM (EhN2W)
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Yep, that's the guy!

We're working on fattening him up. Should have seen him three weeks ago. You could see every rib.

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 07:35 PM (MVjcR)

87 The army of the chosen certainly carried ordinance and they were obediant to God so right on both counts. Can't help but think that God is shakin' the world. Jano my wife says buy more ammo. Right she is.

Posted by: azalea city at June 28, 2020 07:35 PM (WX+x0)

88 ::pats self on back::

Posted by: Annalucia

Nice !

Posted by: JT at June 28, 2020 07:35 PM (arJlL)

89 In my opinion the M1A is the finest infantry rifle ever made.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 28, 2020 07:35 PM (axyOa)

90 Fridays Seb Gorka has 2ndA guests, one mentioned a couple weeks Virginia again is tightening the restrictions on firearm purchases.

Posted by: Skip at June 28, 2020 07:36 PM (6f16T)

91 Love Little Joe and the Weasel doggies. I bought a much better scale and loaded up a bunch of test rounds to try out tomorrow. I can't wait. Whenever this nonsense ends there will be some great deals on guns and ammo.

Posted by: ck at June 28, 2020 07:36 PM (Gf0Po)

92 I also had to buy an extended ball end hex wrench to get the stock on. Gees. So I bought a set.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 28, 2020 07:37 PM (+EL0E)

93

::pats self on back::

Posted by: Annalucia at June 28, 2020 07:32 PM (S6ArX)
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Well deserved! Congratulations!

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 07:37 PM (MVjcR)

94 39 Left Coast- proving 9mm is types, deletes. Have more than one platform. Have to think of scrounging in the end times.
Posted by: Heart of Darkness at June 28, 2020 07:20 PM (nFRLh)

Yeah, agreed. More than one platform here. But not all. I know it is heresy here, but I don't have any .45. Made the decision a decade ago when I got back into stuff other than a shotgun and a .22. Rather have fewer calibers and more rounds, and cost is always a factor. The couple of 1911's I've shot sure are smooth, however.

And I have enough .22 for both shootin' and tradin', and the shotguns won't go hungry for a while. Oh, wait, we were talking handguns. Sorry. If my eyes allow it, I can reach out and touch someone, if needed.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg, abandoning Plan A, executing Plan B, and Plan C is now on the board at June 28, 2020 07:37 PM (sy5kK)

95 Not much ammo available. Stopped by Carter Country on I-10. They had Hornady 230 grain A-tip .308 bullets. The A-tip has an aluminum tip, so it is a very long bullet. My guess is that it is designed for the .300 PRC, since it requires an 8.3:1 twist ratio to stabilize it. The most I can use in my .300 Win Mags is a 225 grain ELD-M, which, with my load, stays supersonic out to about nine tenths of a mile. Not that I could hit a barn door at that range.
I did pick up 50 more pieces of brass for hand loading. When I finish hand loading them I'll have 100 ready to go. If the excrement hits the fan and I were to live long enough to take 100 precision over watch shots, I figure we will have won.
Went to the range and practiced shooting my .22 off hand. I'm not a very good shot standing yet, I've only tried it a few times. Shot my carry pistol enough to insure the sights are aligned more or less correctly.

Posted by: An Observation at June 28, 2020 07:37 PM (TPKib)

96 46 Ya know, in the can't make the MoMee pic, the people look as though they're reacting to a fart !
Posted by: JT at June 28, 2020 07:22 PM (arJlL)

If you have to fart, fart! You will feel much better for it.

Posted by: Mao at June 28, 2020 07:38 PM (ejsiI)

97 I also had to buy an extended ball end hex wrench to get the stock on. Gees. So I bought a set.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob

Standard or metric ?

Posted by: JT at June 28, 2020 07:38 PM (arJlL)

98 I've been stocking up on ammo and components for while now.
Couple of sources that I can recommend for service and selection and price. Although now they are well tapped out, just check in with them once or twice a week. These turn inventory quickly.
Bud's Gun Shop.comAmmunition DepotPowder ValleyMidsouth Shooters SupplyHave an order in with Natchez Shooters Supply. Never used them before. No recommendation until I have experience. Seemed to have good inventory considering overall market.

Posted by: Randall H at June 28, 2020 07:38 PM (iViqu)

99 72 olddog, you didn't get to see where he started from.

Wesel and WW are saints in that little guys life.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 28, 2020 07:31
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No, missed that Ben Had. Saw Hose A on yesterday's Pet Thread for first time. I'm assuming there's been a name change.

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at June 28, 2020 07:38 PM (EhN2W)

100 Posted by: ck at June 28, 2020 07:36 PM (Gf0Po)
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I'm wondering about that too!

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 07:38 PM (MVjcR)

101 When I was growing up, it was the name of the local (Queens, NY) loony bin.

Posted by: Annalucia at June 28, 2020 07:34 PM (S6ArX)

Creedmoor still exist, I believe...it was called the Bedlam of Queens at one point. Established just before WWI, I think it still houses thousands of Queen wine moms now....

Posted by: Boswell at June 28, 2020 07:38 PM (32YRo)

102 Hey, CK, I recognize that box!

Posted by: GWB at June 28, 2020 07:39 PM (mRtYs)

103 Carried an M-14 at various times. I was a heavy beast compared to the M-16 but I liked its punch. Still am a 7.62 x .51 fan.

Posted by: Javems at June 28, 2020 07:40 PM (ofIwF)

104 Posted by: Randall H at June 28, 2020 07:38 PM (iViqu)
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Never had a problem with Natchez.

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 07:41 PM (MVjcR)

105 SOB Van Owen @ 73- I keep Stihl earplugs in my pocket at all times, mostly for flight ops ground crew work. I am down to the short rows on my hearing too, and though I have earplugs in all my vehicles, and in a riot crowd I'd probably go for the gub first and earplugs second, let the devil take the hindmost.

Posted by: Eromero at June 28, 2020 07:41 PM (XhWtx)

106 73 One of the benefits of teleworking now full time is that I don't have to enter a federal building every day, which means I can now carry every day, everywhere, particularly when I'm driving. Which got me to thinking (the 911 call from the lady in Fredericksburg caught in the "peaceful" demonstration came to mind) -- if I ever have to light somebody up while I'm inside the car, I'm going to lose what little hearing I have left. So I got a couple of pairs of ear plugs to keep in the cup holder. I realize that if the SHTF I may not have time to put them in, but having them handy couldn't hurt.
Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at June 28, 2020 07:31 PM (u4Szx)

A good thing to think of. In my case, I think back to the LVPD officer who fired his gun through his windshield at some perps he was pursuing that fired on him. (You may have seen/remember the video.) It may come down to that. Hopefully not, but these days you never know.

Posted by: Mao at June 28, 2020 07:41 PM (ejsiI)

107 No, missed that Ben Had. Saw Hose A on yesterday's Pet Thread for first time. I'm assuming there's been a name change.
Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at June 28, 2020 07:38 PM (EhN2W
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Looks like the name 'Joe' is sticking

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 07:42 PM (MVjcR)

108 105 SOB Van Owen @ 73- I keep Stihl earplugs in my pocket at all times, mostly for flight ops ground crew work. I am down to the short rows on my hearing too, and though I have earplugs in all my vehicles, and in a riot crowd I'd probably go for the gub first and earplugs second, let the devil take the hindmost.
Posted by: Eromero at June 28, 2020 07:41 PM (XhWtx)

I normally carry earplugs in a travel bag for concerts. Now, though...hmmmm...

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 28, 2020 07:42 PM (ejsiI)

109 I am thrifty which my wife pronounces as "cheap".

Neon Madman, she should appreciate how this leaves more money for shoes!

Posted by: Emmie at June 28, 2020 07:43 PM (clsJu)

110 CK.....very nice portable shooting bench you have there!

Posted by: Agitator at June 28, 2020 07:43 PM (y/e6R)

111 1) Does ammo have an expiration date?
Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at June 28, 2020 07:12 PM (nAiE/)

No.....But how it has been stored is key. Old stuff can lose power over time. I'm talking years.

I shoot lots of old military surplus and where it's from will affect it's reliability to some extent.

Commie/Warsaw Pact surplus can be iffy for accuracy but good on going bang.

Brit/French/West German stuff....good to go.

Avoid anything from Arab countries. Bad Juju.

The oldest ammo I shot was from the 1920's and 1 in 10 failed to fire but I expected that....British .303.

New production stuff should keep well for many years.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 28, 2020 07:43 PM (Z+IKu)

112 Posted by: Ben Had at June 28, 2020 07:31 PM (CSvq/)
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Thanks, BH, but he did us the favor.

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 07:44 PM (MVjcR)

113 109 I am thrifty which my wife pronounces as "cheap".

Neon Madman, she should appreciate how this leaves more money for shoes!
Posted by: Emmie at June 28, 2020 07:43 PM (clsJu)

Thrift is a virtue not enough women appreciate.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 28, 2020 07:44 PM (NWiLs)

114 Weasel, if you're disappointed with that group with open sights, I'm making a mental note: Never submit photos of my targets (if I ever go to the range again) to the AoS shooting thread. If I hit a pie plate from 100 yards without magnification, I'm happy.

Posted by: Pastafarian at June 28, 2020 07:44 PM (sgHEm)

115 Looks like the name 'Joe' is sticking

I accidentally called him Elvis......

Posted by: JT at June 28, 2020 07:44 PM (arJlL)

116 I have an ammo can full of Wolf .223. Given to me by a co-worker who knew better. It's rusting away. I shot about 500 rounds of it through my AR and it took me twice as long to clean it as it did to shoot the ammo.

Posted by: Martini Farmer - Civilly Disobedient at June 28, 2020 07:45 PM (3H9h1)

117 Love the thread!

Posted by: Rancherbob at June 28, 2020 07:45 PM (gtu9W)

118 Thrifty is smart.

Cheap ... not so much. Looking back, some of the most expensive mistakes I've made were the result of trying to cheap out on something. There is a distinct difference.

Anyone have any experience with Buffalo Bore ammo? Good, bad, indifferent?

Posted by: Common Tater at June 28, 2020 07:45 PM (/OEmT)

119 Mama tried.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at June 28, 2020 07:46 PM (vuisn)

120 Got to shoot a full auto Reising sub machine gun yesterday.

I can see why marines tossed them into the water to get rid of them. Finicky and prone to jam but I finally got one full 30 round magazine to run without a hitch.

It was fun and I haven't shot full auto since 1978.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 28, 2020 07:46 PM (JUOKG)

121 "Does ammo have an expiration date?"

I've shot commercial ammo from the 1950s and some of my reloads made 20 years before. I've read of people using ammo from 100 years ago.

Not saying older ammo can't be a problem but there isn't a firm expiration date that I'm aware of.

Posted by: JTB at June 28, 2020 07:46 PM (7EjX1)

122 I'm glad I live in a peaceful community, but sometimes I venture out of this relatively sane county. I'm wondering if I should learn how to survive a mob.

Posted by: Emmie at June 28, 2020 07:46 PM (clsJu)

123 Weasel, thanks as always for a great gun thread.
Little Joe is cute as a bug and WD is always a hoot.
I do have a, sort of, gun question.
A friend is retiring next Spring and he and his wife want to sail their 35' sailboat from Puget Sound to Alaska.
He's looking to acquire all manner of gear including a Very Pistol.
Okay. I hit teh intertubes and found types, videos, a couple of which were nearly sane. As I understand it they come in 12 GA and 25 mm. If anyone has ever used one which is better? How much service life is there? The costs seem to vary wildly, Walmart is cheapest, Cabela's middle of the road and a ships supply store in Seattle the highest.
Thanks.

Posted by: Winston, dreg of society at June 28, 2020 07:46 PM (d9Irc)

124 114 Weasel, if you're disappointed with that group with open sights, I'm making a mental note: Never submit photos of my targets (if I ever go to the range again) to the AoS shooting thread. If I hit a pie plate from 100 yards without magnification, I'm happy.
Posted by: Pastafarian at June 28, 2020 07:44 PM (sgHEm)
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Making a bad shot happens to everyone, but I sure did everything I could to help it!

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 07:46 PM (MVjcR)

125 119 Mama tried.
Posted by: Dr. Varno at June 28, 2020 07:46 PM (vuisn)

And said there'd be days like this.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 28, 2020 07:46 PM (NWiLs)

126 need moar blood sakrifiz

Posted by: Wrazl Akers Spiritz at June 28, 2020 07:14 PM (WwTwF)

Maybe so, but how do you lure the AntiFa sorts out there?
Maybe set out pallets of bricks on the range? Next to a statue of The Thinker?

Posted by: GWB at June 28, 2020 07:47 PM (mRtYs)

127 36 Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at June 28, 2020 07:12 PM (nAiE/)
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It never really expires. Depending on how it's stored it can be fine for decades. It's hard to tell from the exterior, though.

If you're in doubt, you can pull the bullet and see what the powder is like, but I just normally shoot it and see what happens.

Hope that helps, I'm sure others will weigh in.
Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 07:19 PM (MVjcR)

I've fired 50+ year old pistol ammo and it was just fine (Japanese WW II).

If you buy ammo now and put it in a serviceable ammo can, it will be useable by your great-grandchildren at least.

Keeping it under 140 degrees F or so doesn't hurt, either.

Mil ammo has lacquer applied to the primers to help seal things. If you're really worried about humidity or your ammo being submerged, you can get lacquer to seal that and the case mouths. Or use thinned nail polish.

I got some Hercules 2400 powder that is pre-WW II. Have to make some loads with it.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at June 28, 2020 07:47 PM (8C7+r)

128 OK, here goes. Lots of kits are sold out. A site called 'ghost guns' and '80% arms' sells kits that are well 80% lowers.

1. How do I know if I'm getting quality upper and lowers?
2. It seems I can mix and match, barrel, muzzle, hand guards, at 80% Arms.

Complete 16" .223/5.56/300BLK AR-15 80% Build Kit

The hell? I've also thought about a 9mm. Rifle cause i don't want to have another caliber. Same 80% kit.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 28, 2020 07:47 PM (+EL0E)

129 Posted by: Rancherbob at June 28, 2020 07:45 PM (gtu9W)
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Howdy Rancherbob!!

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 07:47 PM (MVjcR)

130 We all know you can shoot better, but I think you would have had 5 hits on the varmits we have running around!

Posted by: Rancherbob at June 28, 2020 07:48 PM (gtu9W)

131 Like the Do-rag, Weasel. Will the man bun reveal be next?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 28, 2020 07:48 PM (DMUuz)

132
I accidentally called him Elvis......
Posted by: JT at June 28, 2020 07:44 PM (arJlL)
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He'd probably answer to that too!

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 07:48 PM (MVjcR)

133 131 Like the Do-rag, Weasel. Will the man bun reveal be next?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 28, 2020 07:48 PM (DMUuz)

Beard ornaments.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 28, 2020 07:48 PM (NWiLs)

134 Skip, On the book thread you mentioned making a cartridge box, I assume for belt carry. There should be plenty of online articles and videos on Youtube about constructing one.

Posted by: JTB at June 28, 2020 07:49 PM (7EjX1)

135 84....

At one point in time, there was a rifle range on Long Island adjacent to the Creedmoor Railroad of Long Island. From 1873 through 1907, some of best long range shooters in North America and Europe gathered there to compete in long range shooting competitions.

Posted by: PacosMojo at June 28, 2020 07:49 PM (Zh0wC)

136 Howdy Weasel.

Posted by: Rancherbob at June 28, 2020 07:49 PM (gtu9W)

137 131 Like the Do-rag, Weasel. Will the man bun reveal be next?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 28, 2020 07:48 PM (DMUuz)
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Not enough hair!

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 07:50 PM (MVjcR)

138 Martini Farmer - while I agree with the sentiment I always wonder, do I actually care if that is the last 500 rounds through? I mean, a lucky shot or a Hellfire is going to make cleaning moot anyway.

Posted by: Heart of Darkness at June 28, 2020 07:51 PM (nFRLh)

139 136 Howdy Weasel.
Posted by: Rancherbob at June 28, 2020 07:49 PM (gtu9W)
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Howdy back! How's things?

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 07:51 PM (MVjcR)

140 Evening, all. Welcome, Hose B!

Posted by: RI Red at June 28, 2020 07:51 PM (5qvy2)

141 Hello Horde! I did stuff with a new FN 509 this weekend, I should collect my thoughts and write stuff sometime. It's a nice gun. However, right now I'm eating a giant plate of spaghetti so that takes priority.

1) Does ammo have an expiration date?
2) How do you tell if your ammo has expired (I mean besides having it misfire while you are actually trying to shoot something?
Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner

I think earlier threads have agreed that well-stored ammo in a cool dry place has a lifespan of centuries; I still have some good Yugo 8mm Mauser with 'sep 1934' stamped on the boxes. You can smell the History on them.

On the other hand, nobody had a good answer on what kind of ammo lifetime to expect with bad storage (temperature changes & moisture).

As to how you can identify bad ammo: If you've got a chronograph, you'll notice large deviations in velocity as some amount of powder in each cartridge has broken down and doesn't burn. If you're very attentive, you can notice that each Bang varies in loudness and recoil intensity.

Alternately, after a session, you may notice an unusually large amount of black specks of unburnt, dead powder in the action. That's a good warning sign to toss the rest of that batch.

Unfortunately, the most likely notification that your ammo is bad is a Pfft instead of a Bang, and now your barrel is obstructed by a squib.

Posted by: Lazy Messenger at June 28, 2020 07:51 PM (KP12d)

142 I would assume the storage of ammo has everything to do with its quality. Humidity being the worst potential enemy.

Posted by: Skip at June 28, 2020 07:51 PM (6f16T)

143 Mr. Scott @ 120- I drink Reisling but never knew they made MGs. Heh.

Posted by: Eromero at June 28, 2020 07:51 PM (XhWtx)

144 I accidentally called him Elvis......
Posted by: JT at June 28, 2020 07:44 PM (arJlL)
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He'd probably answer to that too!
Posted by: Weasel

At least I didn't call him John Lennon !

Posted by: JT at June 28, 2020 07:51 PM (arJlL)

145 Question for the gun morons. What would an adequate amount of ammo be? I have 9mm, 357 mag, 308 and a 12 ga. If things get worse I want to have enough to get by .

Posted by: Dan at June 28, 2020 07:52 PM (uyJ8J)

146 Weasel,

Have we ever had a knife thread as part of the gun thread? Because they seem to attract the same sort of man, and I'm sure the Horde has plenty.
Just wondering what folks carry on a regular basis, if anything.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 28, 2020 07:52 PM (z79tQ)

147 130 We all know you can shoot better, but I think you would have had 5 hits on the varmits we have running around!
Posted by: Rancherbob at June 28, 2020 07:48 PM (gtu9W)
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You're in Texas, amigo. You have BIG varmits!

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 07:52 PM (MVjcR)

148 1) Does ammo have an expiration date?

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at June 28, 2020 07:12 PM (nAiE/)

No.....But how it has been stored is key.

Sorta tangent, but... . How much does the date of manufacture play into quality of the powder, maybe? (Along with where it was made.) I know ammunition design has improved over the last few decades (or so people have mentioned here as relates to 9mm v .45 and some other rivalries). Has powder manufacture improved since the 50s? Or since the 19-aughts?

Posted by: GWB at June 28, 2020 07:53 PM (mRtYs)

149 108 105 SOB Van Owen @ 73- I keep Stihl earplugs in my pocket at all times, mostly for flight ops ground crew work. I am down to the short rows on my hearing too, and though I have earplugs in all my vehicles, and in a riot crowd I'd probably go for the gub first and earplugs second, let the devil take the hindmost.
Posted by: Eromero at June 28, 2020 07:41 PM (XhWtx)

I normally carry earplugs in a travel bag for concerts. Now, though...hmmmm...
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 28, 2020 07:42 PM (ejsiI)

this is REALLY a good idea. I just tossed a handful of earplugs into the car console. Done.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 28, 2020 07:53 PM (sy5kK)

150 Is it possible to get covid tested in multiple locations using different names? Can positives be double counted (if some politically motivated persons wanted to be double counted)?

Posted by: ChasAtlas at June 28, 2020 07:53 PM (4KzSm)

151 Does ammo have an expiration date....

I uncovered some 9mm purchased in 1985 that was fine. It was not treated "nicely." A little smoky, but it shot fine.

Posted by: Martini Farmer - Civilly Disobedient at June 28, 2020 07:54 PM (3H9h1)

152 142 I would assume the storage of ammo has everything to do with its quality. Humidity being the worst potential enemy.
Posted by: Skip at June 28, 2020 07:51 PM (6f16T)
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Yep. Temp fluctuations and humidity are the big ones.

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 07:54 PM (MVjcR)

153 Got to shoot a full auto Reising sub machine gun yesterday.
I can see why marines tossed them into the water to get rid of them. Finicky and prone to jam but I finally got one full 30 round magazine to run without a hitch.
It was fun and I haven't shot full auto since 1978.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 28, 2020 07:46 PM (JUOKG)

Yup....in the Pacific, the Marines would disassemble their Reisings and the parts would go in a tub to scrub and then wiped down. They would then just hand out the parts to reassemble not knowing that the Reisings were very particular with each weapon's bolts, etc. In other words not advised to swap parts from weapon to weapon. Reliability became an issue.

I think Ian from Forgotten Weapons covered some of this in his review of the weapon.

They go for about $7,000.00 on GunBroker.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 28, 2020 07:54 PM (Z+IKu)

154 I don't want to get a political discussion started but given the riots etc. going on, is anyone rethinking what they carry and how they carry. I'm not asking for details, just if thoughts have occured about the matter. I've been giving the idea a lot of thought.

Posted by: JTB at June 28, 2020 07:54 PM (7EjX1)

155 Great thread, Wesel!

I love the video.

Sorry about your fourth shot.

Posted by: Ladyl--now mask-free! at June 28, 2020 07:55 PM (TdMsT)

156 Got to shoot a full auto Reising sub machine gun yesterday.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 28, 2020 07:46 PM (JUOKG)

Wow. I didn't know white wine came in full-auto. (I'm just assuming you missed the 'l' in there.)

Posted by: GWB at June 28, 2020 07:55 PM (mRtYs)

157 Dan, I have asked the same question - my advice is 2000, 1000 (if the 308 is not a semi - if so 2500) and 2000(shotgun split between hunting and self defense rounds). One man's opinion

Posted by: Heart of Darkness at June 28, 2020 07:55 PM (nFRLh)

158
Have we ever had a knife thread as part of the gun thread? Because they seem to attract the same sort of man, and I'm sure the Horde has plenty.
Just wondering what folks carry on a regular basis, if anything.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 28, 2020 07:52 PM (z79tQ)
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No, but I could probably work that in, with bluebell's help of course.

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 07:55 PM (MVjcR)

159 Tried to send a (what's the email version of) bleg to the, uh, address you mentioned, but it said I couldn't send anything to that address. Seriously I was Churchill '86, may I please come to the meetup?

Posted by: southcentralpa at June 28, 2020 07:56 PM (I0v6f)

160 145 Question for the gun morons. What would an adequate amount of ammo be? I have 9mm, 357 mag, 308 and a 12 ga. If things get worse I want to have enough to get by .
Posted by: Dan at June 28, 2020 07:52 PM (uyJ8J)

Rule is 1k rounds for each caliber.

Minimum. Bare minimum. Cuz once it starts, nobody is going to be selling ammo, at least retail.

Or it becomes an expensive rock.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 28, 2020 07:56 PM (sy5kK)

161 Yeah, I can't milk the triggers on my Garands like my 700s. I'll get a double tap if I hold the trigger gently. Range officer gets TESTY!

Posted by: I M Simpleton at June 28, 2020 07:56 PM (jQBOW)

162 116
I have an ammo can full of Wolf .223. Given to me by a co-worker who
knew better. It's rusting away. I shot about 500 rounds of it through
my AR and it took me twice as long to clean it as it did to shoot the
ammo.

Posted by: Martini Farmer - Civilly Disobedient at June 28, 2020 07:45 PM (3H9h1)

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I have thought about getting an AK or SKS specifically to shoot super-cheap garbage ammo without guilt.

But I never have because I can't justify purchasing a firearm just to torment it.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 28, 2020 07:56 PM (cfSRQ)

163 Posted by: Ladyl--now mask-free! at June 28, 2020 07:55 PM (TdMsT)
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Thanks, Ladyl!!

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 07:56 PM (MVjcR)

164 I'm always "stocking up on ammo" but I shoot so damn much that it's a chore to stay even. I'm always "shopping" for reloading supplies.

Posted by: ck at June 28, 2020 07:56 PM (Gf0Po)

165 In my little town of 4100 people, there's three gun shops. Two are the usual Arkansas pawn and gun (mostly gun) operations and one is a pretty well stocked retail gun shop. Yesterday, while driving home about 11AM, I noticed all three parking lots full. People are arming up. I was over at one I deal with in another town (guy will call me if something comes out of pawn needing work, gives me a good deal) and he cannot keep new stuff in stock.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at June 28, 2020 07:56 PM (C1Lsn)

166 No, but I could probably work that in, with bluebell's help of course.
Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 07:55 PM (MVjcR)

Well of course. When you have access to experts, it'd be a shame not to avail yourself.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 28, 2020 07:56 PM (z79tQ)

167 146 Weasel,

Have we ever had a knife thread as part of the gun thread? Because they seem to attract the same sort of man, and I'm sure the Horde has plenty.
Just wondering what folks carry on a regular basis, if anything.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 28, 2020 07:52 PM (z79tQ)

Cold Steel Rajah III

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 28, 2020 07:57 PM (NWiLs)

168 Hate to be a downer but those 50,000 rounds of ammo are only good if your position is impregnable.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 28, 2020 07:57 PM (CSvq/)

169 Hint for anyone hand loading .223.

CFE223 powder gets the most performance out of that round, but, as a ball powder, its temperature coefficient is just about the worst of any available powder. However, it is possible to tame those temperature problems. I have found that using magnum primers causes that powder to perform like a stick powder as far as temperature coefficient goes.

Posted by: An Observation at June 28, 2020 07:57 PM (TPKib)

170 Thanks for the answers to my questions guys:

So 10 year old 22 ammo stored in normal conditions should be fine.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at June 28, 2020 07:57 PM (nAiE/)

171 As I understand it they come in 12 GA and 25 mm.

Posted by: Winston, dreg of society at June 28, 2020 07:46 PM (d9Irc)

I would think 12ga would allow you to at least fire a shorty shotgun round (like some of the specialty rounds - dragon, bean bag, etc.) in an emergency. It might only work once, but if you need it... .

Posted by: GWB at June 28, 2020 07:57 PM (mRtYs)

172 154 I don't want to get a political discussion started but given the riots etc. going on, is anyone rethinking what they carry and how they carry. I'm not asking for details, just if thoughts have occured about the matter. I've been giving the idea a lot of thought.
Posted by: JTB at June 28, 2020 07:54 PM (7EjX1)
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Yep. I carry everywhere, and generally don't go where I cannot.

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 07:58 PM (MVjcR)

173 is anyone rethinking what they carry and how they carry. I'm not asking for details, just if thoughts have occurred about the matter.
Posted by: JTB

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Yeah, sort of changed it up in that I always have a truck long gun handy now. I figure my sidearm's main purpose is to fight my way back to the truck.

More importantly though, is that I think hard about what path I am driving to my destination.

Posted by: Tonypete at June 28, 2020 07:58 PM (Rvt88)

174 RANGE REPORT!
I has sadz. Thunderbumpers and rain today.
And I was doing a Weasel Approved (TM) seating depth drill, with new measuring gizmos.

Posted by: RI Red at June 28, 2020 07:58 PM (5qvy2)

175 145
Question for the gun morons. What would an adequate amount of ammo be? I
have 9mm, 357 mag, 308 and a 12 ga. If things get worse I want to have
enough to get by .

Posted by: Dan at June 28, 2020 07:52 PM (uyJ8J)

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More.

Doesn't matter how much you have, you will want more.

You say "1,000 rounds is enough," and then to realize that you have to practice and what if you can't ever get more again?

If not for canoe accidents, I would have more guns and ammo now than when this whole silliness started.

As it is I am helpless, disarmed and docile.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 28, 2020 07:58 PM (cfSRQ)

176 Mama tried.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at June 28, 2020 07:46 PM (vuisn)

She told me not to come.

Posted by: GWB at June 28, 2020 07:58 PM (mRtYs)

177 Chi-town-jerry, if you're still around, and if you want to toddle out to DeKalb County, I will help you get started. Range time, different arms to try, beginner lessons. Email in nick.

Posted by: Baron Munchausen at June 28, 2020 07:58 PM (C1NyB)

178 I think Ian from Forgotten Weapons covered some of this in his review of the weapon.

They go for about $7,000.00 on GunBroker.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 28, 2020 07:54 PM

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I wouldn't buy one and the owner sort of hinted that he was willing to sell it.

Way too much trouble for what you get.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 28, 2020 07:59 PM (JUOKG)

179
So 10 year old 22 ammo stored in normal conditions should be fine.
Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at June 28, 2020 07:57 PM (nAiE/)
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Absolutely! I shoot surplus ammo from the 1950s all the time.

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 08:00 PM (MVjcR)

180 166 No, but I could probably work that in, with bluebell's help of course.
Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 07:55 PM (MVjcR)

Well of course. When you have access to experts, it'd be a shame not to avail yourself.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 28, 2020 07:56 PM (z79tQ)

It's amazing what you can do with a piece of license plate metal from the prison workshop, some bandage tape and a hard concrete floor.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 28, 2020 08:00 PM (NWiLs)

181 53 ... "Rock Island 1911 GI"

I have one of those. It's fun to use, accurate and reliable at least with 230 grain round nose ammo, and is a great value.

Posted by: JTB at June 28, 2020 08:00 PM (7EjX1)

182 At one point in time, there was a rifle range on Long Island adjacent to the Creedmoor Railroad of Long Island. From 1873 through 1907, some of best long range shooters in North America and Europe gathered there to compete in long range shooting competitions.

Posted by: PacosMojo at June 28, 2020 07:49 PM (Zh0wC)

Long Island, Queens, and even much of Brooklyn prior to WWI were just rural areas and farms. I saw old photos my wife has from when her Italian family immigrated in 1912 to Brooklyn just outside of Coney Island in Bath Beach - it was all rural with just a few houses - a lot of them were beach cottages at the time...interesting.

Posted by: Boswell at June 28, 2020 08:00 PM (32YRo)

183 OK, here goes. Lots of kits are sold out. A site called 'ghost guns' and '80% arms' sells kits that are well 80% lowers.

1. How do I know if I'm getting quality upper and lowers?
2. It seems I can mix and match, barrel, muzzle, hand guards, at 80% Arms.

Complete 16" .223/5.56/300BLK AR-15 80% Build Kit

The hell? I've also thought about a 9mm. Rifle cause i don't want to have another caliber. Same 80% kit.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 28, 2020 07:47 PM

CB, first, you know there's "machine" work needed to complete an 80% lower, correct? I've heard rumors of it being done completely with hand tools, but a drill press, small (but powerful) router and appropriate bit, and a few hand tools will provide a much better experience. You'll need a few more specific tools if you're assembling an upper.

Quality can vary. As long as you're getting mil-spec, you have reasonable expectations that everything will go together.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 28, 2020 08:00 PM (DMUuz)

184 I has sadz. Thunderbumpers and rain today.
And I was doing a Weasel Approved (TM) seating depth drill, with new measuring gizmos.
Posted by: RI Red at June 28, 2020 07:58 PM (5qvy2)
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Good man! Let us know how it goes!

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 08:01 PM (MVjcR)

185 Have we ever had a knife thread as part of the gun thread? Because they seem to attract the same sort of man, and I'm sure the Horde has plenty.
Just wondering what folks carry on a regular basis, if anything.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 28, 2020 07:52 PM (z79tQ)

I collected trapper pocket knives to 15 years. Haven't bought one in about 15 years though. I do need to see if I can sell the collection since they are doing no good just stored away.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 28, 2020 08:01 PM (2DOZq)

186 Thank you Weasel for that post, really interesting to me. And thanks to the other contributors, Blake, CK and LRF, great to see what people are up to with their hobbie. WD2 is a cutie, looks like a great doggie.

Really well done video and audio. PIP was very good, as usual (and very funny). I know from experience the editing is a lot of work, and the equipment is always challenging.

Not to turn this into the book thread, but your excellent marksmanship reminded me of a series of books I read that include a sniper as a central character. Barry Eisler/John Rain Series is pretty entertaining. And his Livia Lone series before that, also very good-sort of revenge porn. Some of you guys might enjoy them. These days I mostly listen, not read, they are on audible.

Posted by: MikeM at June 28, 2020 08:02 PM (+NDyf)

187 How much? Good question. It's similar to the non-perishable food stockpiling question. I planned for 6 months food and supplies starting modestly and incrementally 20 years ago. Now, after recent events I'm not so sure that's enough. 2 years sounds prudent. Not many people can swing that.

Ammunition, vintage type, the really old stuff can have problems that aren't readily visible. Certain powders then in use starts to decompose. Brass can start to crack or split. In high pressure cartridges this is a Bad Thing. Galvanic corrosion can occur between the bullet and case, basically welding the two together. This would also increase pressures greatly Pulling a bullet or two, noting the force necessary, inspecting the powder wouldn't be a bad plan.

Modern cartridges for the most part, as in anything made after 1950 or so, should be good to go unless stored in a lake. But what was "OK" a few years ago, things change. Time marches on ...

Posted by: Common Tater at June 28, 2020 08:02 PM (/OEmT)

188 GWB
There is a video of two maniacs doing just that. A shorty 12 GA round. The gun is actually plastic.
They used a very long paracord to fire it.
Not a good idea. You may not lose your hand but you won't be doing much with it afterwards.
This would be for straight emergency signals. I guess you could shoot it at someone with a flare and I suspect it'd deter them but I don't see that as a plan.

Posted by: Winston, dreg of society at June 28, 2020 08:03 PM (d9Irc)

189 Dan, 1000 rds per firearm. Example- if you have four 9mm firearms, you need 4000 rds of 9mm. I would say the majority of our inventory is either 9mm, .223, .308, .22lr, or 12g, all common (battlefield) ammo. But the bottom line is you will never have enough. Another consideration is can you maneuver or must you stand and fight? Weighty matters, they are. Must thought must you give.

Posted by: Eromero at June 28, 2020 08:03 PM (XhWtx)

190 As it is I am helpless, disarmed and docile.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 28, 2020 07:58 PM

Observe the effect of the DiFi-approved 6-round magazine limit.

;-)

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 28, 2020 08:03 PM (DMUuz)

191 What would an adequate amount of ammo be? I have
9mm, 357 mag, 308 and a 12 ga.

Posted by: Dan at June 28, 2020 07:52 PM (uyJ8J)

More than you think.
If you are thinking "You know, that should be enough," then buy one more box. Very few people (and *none* that have ever had to actually use it out of necessity) have -ever- said "Hey, I brought too much ammo. Any of you guys want some?"

Always be like the 5 wise virgins, not the 5 foolish ones.

Posted by: GWB at June 28, 2020 08:04 PM (mRtYs)

192
g'early evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 28, 2020 08:04 PM (y60eS)

193 Look forward to your vids every Sunday.
And this one did not disappoint.
Thanks.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 28, 2020 08:04 PM (Okeht)

194 Love those HomeBoy sights. That's a product whose time has come.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 28, 2020 08:04 PM (wPVhA)

195 Wow. I didn't know white wine came in full-auto. (I'm just assuming you missed the 'l' in there.)

Posted by: GWB at June 28, 2020 07:55 PM (mRtYs)

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Yep. Comes pre-loaded in magazines.

Surely you've heard of "box wine"?

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 28, 2020 08:04 PM (cfSRQ)

196 Posted by: MikeM at June 28, 2020 08:02 PM (+NDyf)
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Thanks MikeM! Glad you like them.

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 08:05 PM (MVjcR)

197 OK, here goes. Lots of kits are sold out. A site called 'ghost guns' and '80% arms' sells kits that are well 80% lowers.

1. How do I know if I'm getting quality upper and lowers?

2. It seems I can mix and match, barrel, muzzle, hand guards, at 80% Arms.

Complete 16" .223/5.56/300BLK AR-15 80% Build Kit

The hell? I've also thought about a 9mm. Rifle cause i don't want to have another caliber. Same 80% kit.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 28, 2020 07:47 PM (+EL0E)

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I've received good quality kits from Palmetto State Arms (PSA). I went with them from recommendations form friends. You can always upgrade triggers and bolts later once you get the hang of it.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at June 28, 2020 08:05 PM (pw+jk)

198 Yeah, sort of changed it up in that I always have a truck long gun handy now. I figure my sidearm's main purpose is to fight my way back to the truck.

More importantly though, is that I think hard about what path I am driving to my destination.

Posted by: Tonypete at June 28, 2020 07:58 PM (Rvt8

I carry my KelTec Sub 2000 with two 33 rd mags in my vehicle now.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 28, 2020 08:05 PM (2DOZq)

199 Yep. I carry everywhere, and generally don't go where I cannot.

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 07:58 PM (MVjcR)

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Same here. And as was mentioned on another thread, ALWAYS carry, because you don't want to need it and have a prosecutor ask "So why did you decide to carry on that particular day? What was different? Where were you going that you felt you needed to be armed on THAT day, racist?"

Oh, Mr. Robbie? He always carries. Heck, he carries on the riding mower.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Masks work! Also, black people? You are not required to wear them. at June 28, 2020 08:05 PM (fFZS6)

200 168 Hate to be a downer but those 50,000 rounds of ammo are only good if your position is impregnable.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 28, 2020 07:57 PM (CSvq/)

1. no position is impregnable.

2. never store all your ammo in one place.

3. horses are the original, and still best, bug out vehicle.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 28, 2020 08:05 PM (sy5kK)

201 Dan: Just my opinion, but I'd say that the amount of ammo to have on hand would be directly related to the rate of fire of the weapon(s).

So 9mm is probably semi-auto -- 1000 rounds.

357, maybe 200 rounds. 12 gauge...maybe 150 rounds of buckshot, 50 rounds of slugs, and 50 rounds of bird shot (in case we end up having to hunt for food).

308 -- depends on if it's semi-auto or bolt action.

Those are sort of minimum quantities, I don't know if you can have too much ammo.

One Eyed Jack -- my every-day carry knife is a CRKT M21-14SFG. Just under 4 inch blade, nice hilt, very safe two-stage closing system that prevents it from folding onto the hand. And not that expensive.

Posted by: Pastafarian at June 28, 2020 08:06 PM (sgHEm)

202
Can't buy much more ammo, I have a serious storage problem, as in no more room.
ISHTF for real, my area is NOT very defendable so bugout is indicated.

Too much would have to remain. I'm figuring on taking two rifles, two pistols and a shotgun. Calibers are 7.62, .22lr .45acp and12ga.

Posted by: irongrampa at June 28, 2020 08:06 PM (KATBx)

203 Range and AW Sh@#$ report.
Went to the range yesterday and worked on pistol fundamentals. Got it down fairly well - 2" at 7yds consistent. Went out today and spent time with the M22 at 50 yds, finally got some small groups centered after playing with the sights.
Aw Sh@#$ - Bought a K11 in 7.5x55 Swiss - Great! Bought several hundred rounds of PPU 7.5x55 Swiss - Hold on cowboy, PPU says don't shoot this in a K11, K31 only, now I got a rifle that I can't use the ammo I bought. Solution - bidding on a K31 with diopter sights.
I'll be the most Swiss fellow at the Texas MoMe.

Posted by: Panhandler at June 28, 2020 08:06 PM (S/rwf)

204 More than you think.
If you are thinking "You
know, that should be enough," then buy one more box. Very few people
(and *none* that have ever had to actually use it out of necessity) have
-ever- said "Hey, I brought too much ammo. Any of you guys want some?"

Always be like the 5 wise virgins, not the 5 foolish ones.

Posted by: GWB at June 28, 2020 08:04 PM (mRtYs)

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Don't be lulled like I was 8 weeks ago. I thought I had more than enough but then knew not enough and the price was 50% more than 7 months ago.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at June 28, 2020 08:06 PM (pw+jk)

205 +1 one to PSA kits. If you can get one, even Palmetto's cheapo stuff is pretty darn good.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Masks work! Also, black people? You are not required to wear them. at June 28, 2020 08:07 PM (fFZS6)

206 Hate to be a downer but those 50,000 rounds of ammo are only good if your position is impregnable.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 28, 2020 07:57 PM (CSvq/)

It certainly helps making it semi-impregnable.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 28, 2020 08:07 PM (2DOZq)

207 Posted by: Braenyard at June 28, 2020 08:04 PM (Okeht)
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Thank you! I really wish I could turn them out more often. They're fun but do take some time.

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 08:07 PM (MVjcR)

208 Great video, Weasel. I would assume you knew you lost the shot as soon as you pulled the trigger?

By the way, do you happen to know if the action for the M1A is shorter than the action for the M1, being as the 30.06 is considered a long action round, whereas the .308 is short action?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at June 28, 2020 08:07 PM (WEBkv)

209 191 What would an adequate amount of ammo be? I have
9mm, 357 mag, 308 and a 12 ga.

Posted by: Dan at June 28, 2020 07:52 PM (uyJ8J)

More than you think.
If you are thinking "You know, that should be enough," then buy one more box. Very few people (and *none* that have ever had to actually use it out of necessity) have -ever- said "Hey, I brought too much ammo. Any of you guys want some?"

Always be like the 5 wise virgins, not the 5 foolish ones.
Posted by: GWB at June 28, 2020 08:04 PM (mRtYs)

Ammo is like...money, or memory on your computer/cell phone. You will always want/need more.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 28, 2020 08:08 PM (ejsiI)

210 Way too much trouble for what you get.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 28, 2020 07:59 PM (JUOKG)

Yup....if your gonna sink a lot of cash into a full auto, get an M16/AR.

Parts are cheap and plentiful and easy to work on.

Second would be anything by H&K, but the price is double. But worth it if you got that kind of money.

Also, STEN guns. Not too pricey and reliable.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 28, 2020 08:08 PM (Z+IKu)

211 I have the G26 at my side, ready to go.

People, you want to carry every day, and let your friends know you carry every day. Why? Because, if you ever have to use it and you don't carry every day, the Prosecutor is going to ask you why you were carrying that day. Your answer to that question is going to cause you all kind of problems. Because he'll imply to the jury that you were out looking for trouble, and that is why you were carrying. Not good. The only correct answer to the DA's question is "I always carry, and I have witnesses to confirm that fact."
I always carry, even in my house.

Posted by: An Observation at June 28, 2020 08:08 PM (TPKib)

212 Two ammo age stories:
I ordered 1K of Garand Feed from the whatchamacallit place in Alabama from which I got my Garand. Yeah, CMP. 1970's. No failures.
I had 50 rounds of .38 Special left over from air crew days in 70-76. Stored in the worst possible conditions. 5 out of 50 only went click.

Posted by: RI Red at June 28, 2020 08:08 PM (5qvy2)

213 I have two AR's chambered in 762x39 and I've shot the cheapest steel ammo I can find. It's all good, even my mid eighties Chinese Norinco. I also have a bunch of Wolf and Tula as backup in 223, 308, 45acp and 9mm. I've never noticed it being any dirtier than my other ammo but I clean my guns all the time. I've never had any problem with any of it.

Posted by: ck at June 28, 2020 08:09 PM (Gf0Po)

214 Yep. I carry everywhere, and generally don't go where I cannot.

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 07:58 PM

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I do not take my Sig P365 off at the Post Office or anywhere else that has a no guns sign.

Worst they are going to do here is tell me to go away if they somehow figure out I am carrying. If they bitch, I will leave. No harm, no foul.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 28, 2020 08:09 PM (JUOKG)

215 Re: ammo

You ever see that movie the Lighthouse where the guys have to dig up their emergency supplies and they pull up a big crate of white liquor?

That, except ammo.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Masks work! Also, black people? You are not required to wear them. at June 28, 2020 08:09 PM (fFZS6)

216 LCD, yes they are but a pack mule will be your biggest asset.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 28, 2020 08:09 PM (CSvq/)

217 191 What would an adequate amount of ammo be? I have
9mm, 357 mag, 308 and a 12 ga.

ALL TEH AMMO!!!

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 28, 2020 08:10 PM (NWiLs)

218 Oh, Mr. Robbie? He always carries. Heck, he carries on the riding mower.

Moron Robbie, I saw your comment in the Book Thread about Legos. I have a five gallon bucket I need to get rid of. Drop me a line at the address linked in the nic.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 28, 2020 08:10 PM (qc+VF)

219 Weasel, as always thanks for the informative post and thanks to the horde for the collective info.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at June 28, 2020 08:10 PM (pw+jk)

220 Any man that owns a 6.5 Creedmoor and don't shoot both rifle and a large bore handgun in the Creedmoor position spends a night in the box.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at June 28, 2020 08:10 PM (8C7+r)

221 Not good. The only correct answer to the DA's question is "I always carry, and I have witnesses to confirm that fact."
I always carry, even in my house.

Posted by: An Observation at June 28, 2020 08:08 PM

Yep, I carry 24/7 unless I am on the toilet or in the shower.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 28, 2020 08:11 PM (JUOKG)

222 Continued my quest for a 1911-type today

Looked at Ruger SR1911 Officer Style Model Number: 6762

I liked it

what are the room's thoughts on Ruger ?

Posted by: DB- just DB. at June 28, 2020 08:11 PM (iTXRQ)

223 208 Great video, Weasel. I would assume you knew you lost the shot as soon as you pulled the trigger?

By the way, do you happen to know if the action for the M1A is shorter than the action for the M1, being as the 30.06 is considered a long action round, whereas the .308 is short action?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at June 28, 2020 08:07 PM (WEBkv)
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Yep.

No, not offhand, but that would make sense. Not sure if the Op rod is shorter and maybe part of the gas system too.

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 08:11 PM (MVjcR)

224 81 Posted by: Pastafarian at June 28, 2020 07:29 PM (sgHEm)

Yes. Very much the same boat, it sounds like.

On the one hand, it seems necessary and proper to have a long range platform in case things really go sideways.

On the other, how the hell do I become proficient with that platform between now and the burning times?

Seems a poor investment if I can't get also invest the time into training.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, LOL, get fucked at June 28, 2020 07:33 PM (T8HPM)
I'm on the eastern edge of the state and traipse over to Idaho to do my shooting. We have an indoor range, an outdoor range, and a dedicated rifle range within a 45 minute drive.
There's a lot of cross-over in the process of shooting when it comes to sight picture and trigger control, so one reinforces the other.
A friend suggested I get a Ruger Precision Rimfire for training - I can practice all the basics at $.03 a round instead of $1 a round.

Posted by: Long Running Fool at June 28, 2020 08:12 PM (RnS3H)

225 Looked at Ruger SR1911 Officer Style Model Number: 6762

I liked it

what are the room's thoughts on Ruger ?

Posted by: DB- just DB. at June 28, 2020 08:11 PM (iTXRQ)

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Don't like 1911s, but I do like Rugers.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 28, 2020 08:12 PM (cfSRQ)

226 Not a good idea. You may not lose your hand but you won't be doing much with it afterwards.

Posted by: Winston, dreg of society at June 28, 2020 08:03 PM (d9Irc)

Yeah, you'd only shoot it once.

And, of course, that's why I would opt for a Taurus Judge, and buy flare ammo for it. But it's a little pricier than a flare gun. And different restrictions in port.

Posted by: GWB at June 28, 2020 08:12 PM (mRtYs)

227 Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at June 28, 2020 08:10 PM (pw+jk)
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Thanks, my pleasure!

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 08:12 PM (MVjcR)

228 Moron Robbie, I saw your comment in the Book Thread about Legos. I have a five gallon bucket I need to get rid of. Drop me a line at the address linked in the nic.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 28, 2020 08:10 PM (qc+VF)

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Wow, thanks. I'll send one shortly. I told lin-duh he's going to think Santa Claus got his months mixed up.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Masks work! Also, black people? You are not required to wear them. at June 28, 2020 08:13 PM (fFZS6)

229
Posted by: Notorious BFD at June 28, 2020 08:12 PM

come to me

Posted by: The Barrel at June 28, 2020 08:13 PM (y60eS)

230 JTB at 154: "...is anyone rethinking what they carry and how they carry..."

Yep.

I used to carry a little S&W J-frame in my pocket, but given "these trying times", those 5 rounds of 38+P leave me feeling naked and afraid.

So I'm going full-size 9mm -- my Grand Power (Slovakian race gun, actually) in 9mm with a 15 round mag in the well and two 20-rounders on my off-side. And fuck printing, I don't care who knows I'm carrying.

Posted by: Pastafarian at June 28, 2020 08:13 PM (sgHEm)

231 Weasel, IDK if you can physically do what that sign language interpreter wants. He be skeevy.

But it was very funny as a picture in picture. Bravo, good sir, Bravo.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 28, 2020 08:13 PM (u82oZ)

232 Come to me!

Posted by: The Barrel at June 28, 2020 08:14 PM (cfSRQ)

233 62 days.

Posted by: IrishEi at June 28, 2020 08:14 PM (sGotD)

234 Maybe get bluebell to show how to grind down a shiv out of a piece of metal.

Posted by: Skip at June 28, 2020 08:15 PM (6f16T)

235 Posted by: Pastafarian at June 28, 2020 08:13 PM (sgHEm

I hope you mean in addition to. You can still keep the .380 in your pocket.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 28, 2020 08:15 PM (2DOZq)

236 3. horses are the original, and still best, bug out vehicle.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 28, 2020 08:05 PM (sy5kK)

Yeah, but they poop a lot more than a Camry. And they need a much bigger corral.

Posted by: GWB at June 28, 2020 08:15 PM (mRtYs)

237 231 Weasel, IDK if you can physically do what that sign language interpreter wants. He be skeevy.

But it was very funny as a picture in picture. Bravo, good sir, Bravo.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 28, 2020 08:13 PM (u82oZ)
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Thanks! I was all giggly when I was putting it together.

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 08:15 PM (MVjcR)

238 GWB
I had no idea that there is flare ammo for a Judge.
Again, this isn't my boat and he and his wife are not gun people.
Seattle libs. So, self defense is unknown to them.
The Judge is .41 isn't it? I've no clue where flare ammo could be found for it.

Posted by: Winston, dreg of society at June 28, 2020 08:15 PM (d9Irc)

239 I try to keep at least 1K rounds of each caliber I have... currently 6 or 7 different. This is a problem. One or two calibers is fine to supply with thousands of rounds. 6 or more... well, that's getting into some serious cash. Not to mention how to store it. I have 6 cases of ammo in a spare bedroom, sitting on the floor. Not ideal, but....

I do purchase ammo by the case on a fairly regular basis as I practice and piss through a couple hundred round easily. I can't justify having it "sitting around" doing nothing.

Posted by: Martini Farmer - Civilly Disobedient at June 28, 2020 08:15 PM (3H9h1)

240 The real question is not "how much ammo do I have" it is "how much ammo do I have loaded in magazines ready to shoot." Having ammo in boxes is pretty useless when you barely have enough time to slap another magazine into your AR. Right now ammo is hard to find, but magazines are even harder.

Now, I agree that having boxed ammo to trade for other goods is a smart idea.

Posted by: An Observation at June 28, 2020 08:16 PM (TPKib)

241 Range report: Took one of the few firearms I own that I know to be older than myself, my SMLE, to the range yesterday.

I brought it to play with after I was done shooting my brand new 686 Plus. And I'm glad I did, because my brand new 686 has to go back to Smith & Wesson, because there is a cylinder timing issue!

Unreal.

Brand new, out of the box, and my 7 shot revolver is good for 5 shots before cylinder issues. I still managed to put 100 rounds through it, but, it was a pain. I also tested to see if it was so out of time, I was shaving lead. But, apparently, it was not, so, I continued to shoot.

I ran a bunch of 38 Special and 38 Special +P down the barrel, and it did not disappoint from an accuracy stand point.

And, the performance now has me hankering to try some .357 Magnum rounds through it!

But, I admit to being peeved, because, pistol and CA=huge PIA to return to the manufacturer to be fixed.

Ah well, so it goes.

The Enfield shot about as well as can be expected, though, it does seem to shoot a bit to the right. Easy fix, though, and not a rifle I expect much in the way of accuracy from. The rifle was designed for Minute of Man, and this it does, so, passing grade.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at June 28, 2020 08:16 PM (WEBkv)

242 The current situation brings to mind the pros and cons of collecting archaic firearms.

Pro: cool in their own right, often very effective, may use calibers that have low demand.

Con: ammo is hard to find, reliability can be an issue.

Of course, the gun you have is better than none at all, which is why they are worth thinking about. Those Romanian Tokarevs are cheap, and available.

Just sayin'.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 28, 2020 08:17 PM (cfSRQ)

243 DB at 222: "what are the room's thoughts on Ruger ?"

Generally: Built like a brick shit-house (in a good way) -- strong actions, reliable function. And you get a shit-ton for your money with Ruger.

My favorite Rugers: My M77 in 0.270 (previously mentioned), 1 minute of accuracy out of the goddamned box for less than $400 (many many years ago). A single-action 44 mag revolver with Bisley grip. The classic Mk II semi-auto 22. I bet I'm forgetting one too.

Posted by: Pastafarian at June 28, 2020 08:19 PM (sgHEm)

244 No, but I could probably work that in, with bluebell's help of course.
Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 07:55 PM (MVjcR)

Art Rondelet said she just bought an ulu in Alaska in the food thread

I wonder how it works as a self defense weapon?

Posted by: vmom 2020 - anti Brutal Looting Marxists at June 28, 2020 08:19 PM (WwTwF)

245 Not sure if the Op rod is shorter and maybe part of the gas system too.

M-14/1A op rod is way shorter than the M-1's due to the original gas trap design meaning that it had to reach all the way out to the end of the barrel. I'm an M-1 fanboi but that long flexy op rod is a real weak point in the design.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 28, 2020 08:19 PM (qc+VF)

246 Bob the Bilderberg

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Email sent. Drinks are on me if we ever meet.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Masks work! Also, black people? You are not required to wear them. at June 28, 2020 08:19 PM (fFZS6)

247 so, when buying ammo, how do I know what's good quality?
is it just the nu!ber of grains or is the brand important?

Posted by: vmom 2020 - anti Brutal Looting Marxists at June 28, 2020 08:20 PM (WwTwF)

248 OK, here goes. Lots of kits are sold out. A site called 'ghost guns' and '80% arms' sells kits that are well 80% lowers.

1. How do I know if I'm getting quality upper and lowers?
2. It seems I can mix and match, barrel, muzzle, hand guards, at 80% Arms.

Complete 16" .223/5.56/300BLK AR-15 80% Build Kit

The hell? I've also thought about a 9mm. Rifle cause i don't want to have another caliber. Same 80% kit.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 28, 2020 07:47 PM

I just built a lower from 80 percent arms.With their jig it was not too hard to machine out. The lower turned out really nice and took it to the range last week. I put a 22lr PSA upper on it and it shot really nice. Gonna start on a 9mm lower next week

Posted by: Trainyaker at June 28, 2020 08:20 PM (dQ8Kp)

249 Oh, boy...

Posted by: Notorious BFD at June 28, 2020 08:21 PM (EgshT)

250 If your looking for 556 mags, try the MFT mags that Sportsman's Wearhouse stocks for $10, I think I like them even better than magpul.

Posted by: ck at June 28, 2020 08:21 PM (Gf0Po)

251 >my brand new 686 has to go back to Smith & Wesson, because there is a cylinder timing issue!

Unreal.

Brand new, out of the box, and my 7 shot revolver is good for 5 shots before cylinder issues.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at June 28, 2020 08:16 PM (WEBkv)

Please explain 'cylinder issues'

Posted by: DB- just DB. at June 28, 2020 08:21 PM (iTXRQ)

252 Reloading sh*t:
Converting over to all ogive measurement and back to measuring contact with the lands (and I got a cool borescope - thank you to whomever recommended last week or before!).
I told Weasel that I had been seating at the lands; he said it takes a while to get it right; Sho nuff, it took me lotsa tries, but I got it. And no, I was not at the lands.
Figured out how to properly use the micrometer seating die. Turns out that, no matter how good your brass prep, each one is an individual. D'oh.

Posted by: RI Red at June 28, 2020 08:21 PM (5qvy2)

253 That was an epic fail on my part. Into the void I go.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at June 28, 2020 08:21 PM (EgshT)

254
The current situation brings to mind the pros and cons of collecting archaic firearms.

Pro: cool in their own right, often very effective, may use calibers that have low demand.

Con: ammo is hard to find, reliability can be an issue.

Of
course, the gun you have is better than none at all, which is why they
are worth thinking about. Those Romanian Tokarevs are cheap, and
available.

Just sayin'.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 28, 2020 08:17 PM

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9mm, .45acp, .223 and 7.62x39 are all going to be around in some form or other even if SHTF.

You can't go wrong with stocking up on guns and ammo in those calibers.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 28, 2020 08:22 PM (JUOKG)

255 Good to see that the Nyte-Sytes photochop is still making the rounds after all these years.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik: we can haz purge now? at June 28, 2020 08:22 PM (DTX3h)

256 I think I like them even better than magpul.

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Dang. That's high praise.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Masks work! Also, black people? You are not required to wear them. at June 28, 2020 08:22 PM (fFZS6)

257 Of course, the gun you have is better than none at all, which is why they are worth thinking about. Those Romanian Tokarevs are cheap, and available.
Just sayin'.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 28, 2020 08:17 PM (cfSRQ)

Yup....there is a video on YouBoob of a Syrian rebel fighter with a.......VZ 52 rifle in 7.62 X 45 Czech.

The comments were all laughing but you don't want to be on the receiving end of that round.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 28, 2020 08:23 PM (Z+IKu)

258 145 ;;; "Question for the gun morons. What would an adequate amount of ammo be? I have 9mm, 357 mag, 308 and a 12 ga. If things get worse I want to have enough to get by ."

It depends on your use. Is the ammo only for SD? Will it be used for recreational shooting and how often?

For handgun ammo, I suggest 1,000 rounds and replace what you use. For the rifle, 500 rounds and same for the shotgun. I consider these amounts minimal.

I'll take it a step further. Especially given the popularity and scarcity of the calibers you mentioned, I would look into components and a simple reloading set up.

Posted by: JTB at June 28, 2020 08:23 PM (7EjX1)

259 Posted by: Long Running Fool at June 28, 2020 08:12 PM (RnS3H

I own the RPR in 22lr, and friggin love it. I shoot it suppressed with a Dead Air Mask. It's a dream to shoot, and helps with fundamentals.

I want the big brother in 6.5 creedmoor, but don't know where I'd train.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, LOL, get fucked at June 28, 2020 08:23 PM (T8HPM)

260 Please explain 'cylinder issues'
Posted by: DB- just DB. at June 28, 2020 08:21 PM (iTXRQ)
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Cylinder locks before hammer is completely cocked.

Once the cylinder is locked, the hammer isn't going any further. (AH Lloyd may have a better explanation. This is my understanding and it may be flawed)

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at June 28, 2020 08:23 PM (WEBkv)

261 247 so, when buying ammo, how do I know what's good quality?
is it just the nu!ber of grains or is the brand important?
Posted by: vmom 2020 - anti Brutal Looting Marxists at June 28, 2020 08:20 PM (WwTwF)
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It's generally all going to go BANG when you pull the trigger. If you're shooting a semi-auto it's important to know it feeds properly and reliably in your particular gun. I'm sure some others will weigh in on this, and you're always welcome to email me!

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 08:23 PM (MVjcR)

262 so, when buying ammo, how do I know what's good quality?

is it just the nu!ber of grains or is the brand important?

Posted by: vmom 2020 - anti Brutal Looting Marxists at June 28, 2020 08:20 PM (WwTwF)

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Brand.

Number of grains refers to bullet size, which may or may not be super important.

Ballistics is a whole 'nother subject, but basically if it's the right caliber for your gun, it will make holes in the thing you are shooting at.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 28, 2020 08:24 PM (cfSRQ)

263
Again, I don't see any benefit in buying ammo for someone else to discover because there wasn't room enough to bring along.

Posted by: irongrampa at June 28, 2020 08:25 PM (KATBx)

264 From down here inside the barrel, my apologies to the Horde and our esteemed host. Ugh.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at June 28, 2020 08:25 PM (EgshT)

265 Posted by: RI Red at June 28, 2020 08:21 PM (5qvy2)
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We can discuss advanced brass prep next.

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 08:25 PM (MVjcR)

266 Factory mags for carry, aftermarket for the range and shtf. One exception, I like USA Palm mags for the AK.

Posted by: Eromero at June 28, 2020 08:25 PM (XhWtx)

267 253 That was an epic fail on my part. Into the void I go.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at June 28, 2020 08:21 PM (EgshT)
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I don't see anything wrong!

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 08:26 PM (MVjcR)

268 Krakatoa initiated a good discussion yesterday about carrying, what to do when faced with a potential gun situation (go away if you can), and what to after.

Wonder if we could explore this topic here.

Posted by: FloridaMan at June 28, 2020 08:26 PM (r28kI)

269 Hey! Late to the thread, but, I'M in MONTANA this week for the 4th

AS I arrived in *hometown* Montana, Giggles met me at the Airport and said we were parked on the short term parking, OK, So, wheres the jeep, and whats with the truck? It's yours she said. She bought me a brand new Dodge Ram Limited!

I don't deserve her. Now to read the post and comments. BBL

McGyver, in Montana

Posted by: McGyver at June 28, 2020 08:27 PM (QGE45)

270
Art Rondelet said she just bought an ulu in Alaska in the food thread

I wonder how it works as a self defense weapon?
Posted by: vmom 2020 - anti Brutal Looting Marxists at June 28, 2020 08:19 PM (WwTwF)

Ulus are so danged sharp that you can cut yourself by just looking at one.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 28, 2020 08:27 PM (sy5kK)

271 my brand new 686 has to go back to Smith & Wesson, because there is a cylinder timing issue!

Unreal.

Bummer. I once had to send back a brand new J frame because the little "hand" that rotates the cylinder was too short and sometimes failed to engage. On the plus side, S&W fixed it without question and returned it fairly quickly. I guess with as many units as they make, the tolerances are bound to stack up badly once in a while.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 28, 2020 08:27 PM (qc+VF)

272 Number of grains refers to bullet size, which may or may not be super important.

I thought it was weight. Not "size."

Posted by: Martini Farmer - Civilly Disobedient at June 28, 2020 08:28 PM (3H9h1)

273 Krakatoa initiated a good discussion yesterday about
carrying, what to do when faced with a potential gun situation (go away
if you can), and what to after.

Wonder if we could explore this topic here.

Posted by: FloridaMan at June 28, 2020 08:26 PM

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Bottom line, I do not want to shoot anybody unless they make me shoot them.

If I can get away I will not shoot anyone. If I can't get away them I am gonna shoot.

If they get in my house it's open season though.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 28, 2020 08:29 PM (JUOKG)

274 so, when buying ammo, how do I know what's good quality?

is it just the nu!ber of grains or is the brand important?

Posted by: vmom 2020 - anti Brutal Looting Marxists at June 28, 2020 08:20 PM (WwTwF)

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1. Most ammunition will work for practice.2. Get a good ( expensive) self defense round. Hollow point for a carry gun.You want one that will go pew and stop what is coming at you even if you don't hit dead center.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at June 28, 2020 08:29 PM (pw+jk)

275 Posted by: McGyver at June 28, 2020 08:27 PM (QGE45)
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Nice! Congratulations!

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 08:29 PM (MVjcR)

276 A good buddy of mine (we go way, way back) recently got a hell of a gift: M&P Shield 2.0 in .40. So far I have addressed him as "bastard" and "son of a bitch" every other text. (But we are friends so he is calling me much worse.)

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 28, 2020 08:29 PM (ejsiI)

277 OT,

can anyone tell me how to get my email addy in my nic?

it's entered, but does not show up as linkable when I post.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 28, 2020 08:30 PM (sy5kK)

278 Howdy back! How's things?
Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 07:51 PM (MVjcR)

Everything is good here. Had to go cook dinner.

Posted by: Rancherbob at June 28, 2020 08:30 PM (gtu9W)

279 I had no idea that there is flare ammo for a Judge.

Posted by: Winston, dreg of society at June 28, 2020 08:15 PM (d9Irc)

The Judge will shoot .410 shotgun rounds, so I'm positive there's flare ammo for it.

And... looking at der intertubes, I can't quickly find any. One person says .410 isn't large enough for a flare payload. (He really needs to discuss that with the pen flares I used in SERE training! They were about 9mm-sized.) And, weirdly, I don't see any 12ga ones, either - at least not under specialty ammo. So... what the heck?

Oh! Here's some: https://bit.ly/2NPEspn

Could this have to do with the BATF? Is there something that says you can't combine a regular projectile-shooting gun with something powered by a rocket? Or is it just a ".410 sucks and nobody wants them" thing?

Because now I'm getting to wondering about putting a small Estes engine in something, and seeing if I can make something really cool... .

Posted by: GWB at June 28, 2020 08:31 PM (mRtYs)

280
9mm, .45acp, .223 and 7.62x39 are all going to be around in some form or other even if SHTF.

You can't go wrong with stocking up on guns and ammo in those calibers.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 28, 2020 08:22 PM (JUOKG)

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I consider those "core" calibers for my collection. But in times like these, I gravitate to the more obscure ones (like 7.63mm Mauser for my C96) because no one is panic-buying them and I'm not planning on using a project gun for self-defense.

That's part of why I used the Broomhandle in the self-defense drill - it doesn't dig in core ammo supplies.

Also, it was really fun!

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 28, 2020 08:31 PM (cfSRQ)

281 I was surprised to read this week that the nearby city highschools have gun ranges. I wonder if they teach how to shoot a pistol, holding it sideways.
Actually they have target 22cal rifle contests with the suburban schools. The suburban kids always win, but now they probably will demand that the suburban kids have to shoot blindfolded, to give the kids of color an even chance.

Posted by: Colin at June 28, 2020 08:31 PM (1BIQV)

282 can anyone tell me how to get my email addy in my nic?

it's entered, but does not show up as linkable when I post.

mailto:myaddy@whatever.com

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 28, 2020 08:32 PM (qc+VF)

283 so, when buying ammo, how do I know what's good quality?

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There are probably thousands of hours of video regarding the best self defense rounds and how they performed in this or that test, but regardless of what you buy make sure to use a box or two in your pistol to make sure it feeds reliably. Disregard if you buy a revolver, although you want to put a few through just to feel it shoot and see the groups.

I personally like to find out what the local sheriff's office uses and buy that just to remove that variable from a prosecutor's potential options. "Oh, he loaded up a special super-killing round!!!" No, it's the same one those guys use.

My preference is Federal HST, but there are a half dozen that people swear by.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Masks work! Also, black people? You are not required to wear them. at June 28, 2020 08:32 PM (fFZS6)

284 Don't worry BFD - Weasel has been teaching morons like me for awhile how to properly fire weapons on target down range...he's always happy to have students at his knee. No barrel for you!

Posted by: Boswell at June 28, 2020 08:32 PM (32YRo)

285 FloridaMan: "Wonder if we could explore this topic here."

Yep, that was a very interesting post by Krakatoa, and something I've been thinking about myself.

It might merit its own thread.

I don't have much to add, other than seconding your interest in further discussion. I'd love to hear the opinion of someone in law enforcement: What sort of chance would we be taking by leaving the scene? Would it really add to what's probably already a death sentence? If I had to shoot someone, and I call the cops, and they take me in, and that guy I shot was the wrong color -- my life is over. Maybe the lives of my family too.

So what's the harm in just leaving, then? Nothing to lose.

And something less a LEO might know: What sort of odds would I have, if I left?

I realize these are horrible things to discuss, but I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one that's been thinking about this lately. During these "trying times."

Posted by: Pastafarian at June 28, 2020 08:32 PM (sgHEm)

286 Cold Steel Rajah III
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 28, 2020 07:57 PM (NWiLs)

One Eyed Jack -- my every-day carry knife is a CRKT M21-14SFG. Just under 4 inch blade, nice hilt, very safe two-stage closing system that prevents it from folding onto the hand. And not that expensive.
Posted by: Pastafarian at June 28, 2020 08:06 PM (sgHEm)

Nice choices that could double as defensive weapons
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I collected trapper pocket knives to 15 years. Haven't bought one in about 15 years though. I do need to see if I can sell the collection since they are doing no good just stored away.
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 28, 2020 08:01 PM (2DOZq)

Just like revolvers and lever action rifles, there's something about trappers, canoes, stockmans and the like that harken back.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 28, 2020 08:33 PM (z79tQ)

287 I have the permit but I don't carry yet because the risks have outweighed the benefits (for me). Quiet neighborhood, stores without problems, not going into bad parts of town.

But if we start to see upticks in violence on my normally calm streets, then I will carry. Someone said yesterday: carry every day so it doesn't look like you were going looking for trouble one time.

Posted by: FloridaMan at June 28, 2020 08:33 PM (r28kI)

288 "when buying ammo, how do I know what's good quality?"

Read reviews of the ammo for ideas about accuracy. With semi-autos, reliability is king. After that think about accuracy. Don't assume the most expensive ammo is the best, that's where the reviews come in handy. Also, keep in mind with semi-autos, they need regular cleaning and lube to be at their best. Revolvers not so much.

Posted by: JTB at June 28, 2020 08:33 PM (7EjX1)

289 If they get in my house it's open season though.

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Yep. If you come in uninvited I'm not leaving, and I fully expect the same courtesy from you.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Masks work! Also, black people? You are not required to wear them. at June 28, 2020 08:34 PM (fFZS6)

290 Various thoughtsz:
Long Running Fool, you are going to fall in lust with 6.5 CM. My Ruger Predator was .75 MOA out of the box. With some barrel floating, trigger adjustment and relaoding skillz, its around .5 now.
An Observation - good point. Last year I loaded up every AR mag I had, 27th round ball, 28th tracer and 29th ball. No 30 for spring health. If I need mags, it's likely to be lots of them.
Query on round count. Depends. I'm not bugging out, already did it a few years ago. My fortress of solitude is not impregnable, but can be defended. But you need ammo for proficiency. And maybe arming up your neighbors.
Carrying in these uncertain times. I always have my little .380 on me. I always have my bigger gun in my carrybag. But I'm also putting it on my belt more often. Wore my Hawaiian shirt to dinner last night. Mrs. Red asked if I was making a political statement.

Posted by: RI Red at June 28, 2020 08:34 PM (5qvy2)

291 A very large amount of people have recently purchased guns. A portion of them have no idea of gun safety or what to do in a clutch situation.

What do you think is going to happen?

Posted by: Ben Had at June 28, 2020 08:34 PM (CSvq/)

292 168 Hate to be a downer but those 50,000 rounds of ammo are only good if your position is impregnable.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 28, 2020 07:57 PM (CSvq/)

Ah, but you can fool people into thinking your position is impregnable.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 28, 2020 08:34 PM (ejsiI)

293 the pros and cons of collecting archaic firearms.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 28, 2020 08:17 PM (cfSRQ)

Pro: Depending on level of archaity, you can always melt little lead soldiers into ammo, and can make your own powder. If you're in _really_ dire straits.

Posted by: GWB at June 28, 2020 08:34 PM (mRtYs)

294 So I went to a gun store with my BIL after a lunch to pick up some ammo and came home with an H&K VP9.

Posted by: jsg at June 28, 2020 08:35 PM (gPhq7)

295 Number of grains refers to bullet size, which may or may not be super important.

I thought it was weight. Not "size."

Posted by: Martini Farmer - Civilly Disobedient at June 28, 2020 08:28 PM (3H9h1)

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That's what I meant.

Though I'm pretty sure a 145 grain bullet is physically larger than a 71 grain one.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 28, 2020 08:35 PM (cfSRQ)

296 A very large amount of people have recently purchased guns. A portion of them have no idea of gun safety or what to do in a clutch situation.

What do you think is going to happen?
Posted by: Ben Had at June 28, 2020 08:34 PM (CSvq/)
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The new gun owners will hit the range, put a couple of boxes of ammo through their new purchase, call it good, toss the gun in a drawer and, once things calm down, they'll either sell or forget about it.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at June 28, 2020 08:36 PM (WEBkv)

297 I realize these are horrible things to discuss, but I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one that's been thinking about this lately. During these "trying times."
Posted by: Pastafarian at June 28, 2020 08:32 PM (sgHEm)

But these horrible things present themselves, for the first time (for me), as serious possibilities. I would get USCCA insurance if I carried.

Posted by: FloridaMan at June 28, 2020 08:36 PM (r28kI)

298 DB,
First Ruger I ever owned was a .44 Magnum carbine my Dad gave me in 1967. It still shoots great. Never had a problem with a Ruger, rifle or pistol.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at June 28, 2020 08:36 PM (u4Szx)

299 Hollow point for a carry gun

Unless you live in the People's Paradice of New Jersey - where even having a hollow point .22 rolling around in your car's trunk is a felony.

Posted by: An Observation at June 28, 2020 08:36 PM (TPKib)

300 269 Hey! Late to the thread, but, I'M in MONTANA this week for the 4th

AS I arrived in *hometown* Montana, Giggles met me at the Airport and said we were parked on the short term parking, OK, So, wheres the jeep, and whats with the truck? It's yours she said. She bought me a brand new Dodge Ram Limited!

I don't deserve her. Now to read the post and comments. BBL

McGyver, in Montana
Posted by: McGyver at June 28, 2020 08:27 PM (QGE45)

Woot! That's awesome! Enjoy!!

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at June 28, 2020 08:36 PM (8/7u2)

301 OK, Weasel, the goof deaf signer from Mandela's funeral adds a serious hilarious touch

McGyver, in MONTANA

Posted by: McGyver at June 28, 2020 08:37 PM (QGE45)

302 294 So I went to a gun store with my BIL after a lunch to pick up some ammo and came home with an H&K VP9.

Posted by: jsg at June 28, 2020 08:35 PM (gPhq7)
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Congratulations! Let us know how you like it once you have been to the range!

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 08:37 PM (MVjcR)

303 GWB
Part of it is BATF. The flares, are classified under USCG approved emergency devices are not classified as ammunition.
The Walmart has them, maybe, behind the counter.
I haven't looked as yet because the closest one to me is a couple of hundred mile round trip.
I have seen videos of wild land firefighters using the 12 GA to start back fires. Since the gun frame is plastic, bright orange, the BATF has exceptions for it. However, any attempt to modify it to fire regular shotgun shells makes it a sawed off shotgun and they'll do a Randy Weaver on you.

Posted by: Winston, dreg of society at June 28, 2020 08:37 PM (d9Irc)

304 Catch Thirty, what will you do with that ammo if you have to leave,

This is a rhetorical question.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 28, 2020 08:37 PM (CSvq/)

305 I carry my KelTec Sub 2000 with two 33 rd mags in my vehicle now.
Posted by: Can't resist temptation
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Ditto except 2 27rd and the 14rd that came with it.
The BIL had to move it when I gave him a ride to the store and said something like: "hmm... NRA always said they don't do you any good back in the gun safe".

Now... the question: anyone take any to California since their BS new laws have passed?
Asking for a friend of course.

Posted by: AZ deplorably isolated at June 28, 2020 08:37 PM (gtatv)

306 Right index finger in left palm, tap, tap, tap. Hook 'em Horns. "OK" sign, index finger of other hand through the hole, open palm vertical squiggle, twice. Dolphin leaps right to left then left to right. Two fingers up bunny hop, hands in armpits flap elbows, flap, flap. Thumb and finger "L" to forehead, tap, tap, tap, squiggle, mark of Zorro in the air, hesitate, catch breath.

Thumbs in ears waggle fingers, thumb and pinkie "Hang Loose" waggle,

Posted by: Mandela funeral fake sign language guy at June 28, 2020 08:38 PM (Fc5rx)

307 I realize these are horrible things to discuss, but I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one that's been thinking about this lately. During these "trying times."

Posted by: Pastafarian at June 28, 2020 08:32 PM (sgHEm)

Isn't there some sort of LE review board over every shooting? One in which the local Union of the officer gets to sit in on or at least get a say in? I know nothing about these procedures, but I would assume it is only fair given that the Union and the local mayor's office have to work politically together in order to satisfactorily populate the local police force.

Posted by: Boswell at June 28, 2020 08:38 PM (32YRo)

308 Thanks for the awesome Gun Thread as always Weasel!

Posted by: DBCooper at June 28, 2020 08:38 PM (y1Mvi)

309 When you start shooting I don't think you can go wrong buying and shooting lots of steel. The more you shoot the better you get. You're not going to shoot like Weasel no matter what kind of equipment you buy, so just start shooting. You'll know when it's time to start reloading or buying better stuff.

Posted by: ck at June 28, 2020 08:39 PM (Gf0Po)

310 Now... the question: anyone take any to California since their BS new laws have passed?
Asking for a friend of course.
Posted by: AZ deplorably isolated at June 28, 2020 08:37 PM (gtatv)
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Don't ask, don't tell and be darn careful who you shoot around.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at June 28, 2020 08:39 PM (WEBkv)

311 The new gun owners will hit the range, put a couple of boxes of ammo through their new purchase, call it good, toss the gun in a drawer and, once things calm down, they'll either sell or forget about it.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing

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We talk about going to the range and polishing feed ramps and tweaking this and that, but you constantly hear about granny killing the bad guys who broke into her home with her husband's old .380 that has been in the drawer since he passed ten years ago.

I'm just glad there are more out there.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Masks work! Also, black people? You are not required to wear them. at June 28, 2020 08:39 PM (fFZS6)

312 Krakatoa initiated a good discussion yesterday about
carrying, what to do when faced with a potential gun situation (go away
if you can), and what to after.

Wonder if we could explore this topic here.

Posted by: FloridaMan at June 28, 2020 08:26 PM

Yeah, Krakatoa mentioned that in today's political climate, where a defensive use of a firearm may very well be met with accusations of "oppression" from the DA intent on throwing the book at you, leaving the scene might not be the worst scenario.

Those who appreciate law and order might take issue with this, but I've mentioned several times the past few weeks that we're already considered Outlaws, and ought to at least get mentally prepared to behave accordingly.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 28, 2020 08:39 PM (z79tQ)

313 Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 28, 2020 08:32 PM (qc+VF)

Thanks, Bob!

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 28, 2020 08:39 PM (sy5kK)

314 Did you see how i did that? waited till 308....

Posted by: DBCooper at June 28, 2020 08:39 PM (y1Mvi)

315 I thought it was weight. Not "size."

Posted by: Martini Farmer - Civilly Disobedient at June 28, 2020 08:28 PM (3H9h1)

Does it matter? I keep getting told "Size isn't important."...

Posted by: GWB at June 28, 2020 08:40 PM (mRtYs)

316 Ah, but you can fool people into thinking your position is impregnable.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 28, 2020 08:34 PM (ejsiI)

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Yes.

A friend of mine likes to joke that most "civil disorder" situations would be resolved with a single mag dump. Most people can't tell rapid fire from automatic and in any event, don't want to get shot.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 28, 2020 08:40 PM (cfSRQ)

317 test

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 28, 2020 08:40 PM (sy5kK)

318 Posted by: McGyver at June 28, 2020 08:37 PM (QGE45)
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Glad you liked it!

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 08:41 PM (MVjcR)

319 241,
Regarding your SMLE or no. 4, Enfield depending on make, the older SMLE's varied quite a bit in bore sizes as England in WWI was hard pressed to have rifles that went bang plus tolerances were relatively loose due to really lousy ammo quality in WWI. Open sights do not help matters. WWII era no. 4's can be more accurate if not really worn in the bore or the action.

A good rebarrelled SMLE that has been properly fitted to its two piece stock can get about 2.5-4 MOA with a good bore and tighter than normal tolerances (.311-.313 bore versus something like the .314-.318 that some exhibit).

The no. 4 can shoot 2-3 MOA in good condition and even a bit better if accurized and a no. 4 mk2 or the refurbed no. 4 mk 1/3 or 1/2 can get sometime a bit better if bullets are sized for the bore.

Shooting commercial, ignore the boat tailed bullets as most battleworn milsurps will not benefit and the Enfields are no exception. Flat based bullets are generally what is called for or cast bullets with a gas check/hitek coating which can shoot exceptionally well sized for the bore.

Posted by: whig at June 28, 2020 08:41 PM (pv2s8)

320
If they get in my house it's open season though.

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Yep. If you come in uninvited I'm not leaving, and I fully expect the same courtesy from you.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Masks work! Also, black people? You are not required to wear them. at June 28, 2020 08:34 PM

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If they get in my house it's because they really want to. We have two dead bolts on each exterior door and two very protective dogs so that is something I hope we do not have to worry about but it is something we are prepared to deal with.

It almost happened once when we lived in Kentucky and I would have been justified in shooting the half naked junkie that came into my garage asking to use the phone. Luckily I was able to push him away from me and whack him with a wrench and get into the house and call the Cops.

I do not want to have to kill anyone.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 28, 2020 08:41 PM (JUOKG)

321 test2

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 28, 2020 08:41 PM (sy5kK)

322 But these horrible things present themselves, for the first time (for me), as serious possibilities. I would get USCCA insurance if I carried.
Posted by: FloridaMan at June 28, 2020 08:36 PM (r28kI)

Get it if you don't carry, too, if you've got a gun in the house. If I have to shoot, the last thing I want to worry about is finding money for a lawyer or relying on a public defender.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 28, 2020 08:41 PM (t+qrx)

323 Does it matter? I keep getting told "Size isn't important."...

Posted by: GWB at June 28, 2020 08:40 PM (mRtYs)

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Shot placement counts more than caliber.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 28, 2020 08:41 PM (cfSRQ)

324 I do not want to have to kill anyone.

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Same here. Don't you idiots know who those locks are protecting?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Masks work! Also, black people? You are not required to wear them. at June 28, 2020 08:41 PM (fFZS6)

325
Posted by: DBCooper at June 28, 2020 08:38 PM (y1Mvi)
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Happy to do it! Thanks!

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 08:42 PM (MVjcR)

326 Shot placement counts more than caliber.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd

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Tell me about it!

Posted by: Zombie Bobby Kennedy at June 28, 2020 08:42 PM (Rvt88)

327 -
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Hate to be a downer but those 50,000 rounds of ammo are only good if your position is impregnable.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 28, 2020 07:57 PM (CSvq/)

Ah, but you can fool people into thinking your position is impregnable.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 28, 2020 08:34 PM
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My "position" is impregnable, no foolin.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner's Cooch at June 28, 2020 08:43 PM (RVcmP)

328 I would like to hear from an LEO, too. And, if possible, a prosecutor. Just to know what you're up against after a gun incident/

Posted by: FloridaMan at June 28, 2020 08:44 PM (r28kI)

329 Florida Man, start carrying now, so you are used to it. And so if you have to use it, you can say you've been carrying forever and this is the first time you had to do it. And the first time you feared for your life.
Once you've carried for a while it won't be so freaky.

Posted by: RI Red at June 28, 2020 08:45 PM (5qvy2)

330 Getting back to "what kind of ammo..."

In normal conditions, you'd buy several varieties and see what works best for you. It's a strange but true thing that some guns just like certain brands/loads of ammo and hate others.

This is where the "grains" (or bullet weight) comes in. Some firearms simply cycle better with certain bullet weights. I knew a guy with an HK that abjectly *hated* a particular brand of ammo and the bullet weight. Everything else ran fine.

So ideally, you figure this out ahead of time. Now you get what you can, and try to do some test firing so you know it will work.

Most of the time it will, but better safe than sorry.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 28, 2020 08:45 PM (cfSRQ)

331 Hey Weasel great thread as always

the new pup looks a little skinny- you must for to fatten him up!

thanks to all who replied to my Ruger query

Posted by: DB- just DB. at June 28, 2020 08:46 PM (iTXRQ)

332 -
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I would like to hear from an LEO, too. And, if possible, a prosecutor.
Just to know what you're up against after a gun incident/

Posted by: FloridaMan at June 28, 2020 08:44 PM
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It really boils down to "Location, location, location!"

Posted by: irright at June 28, 2020 08:46 PM (RVcmP)

333 Did you see how i did that? waited till 308....
Posted by: DBCooper at June 28, 2020 08:39 PM (y1Mvi)

Really? I'm thinking blind nut / squirrel, some assembly required.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 28, 2020 08:46 PM (z79tQ)

334 Quality can vary. As long as you're getting mil-spec, you have reasonable expectations that everything will go together.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 28, 2020 08:00 PM (DMUuz)

I just built a lower from 80 percent arms.With their jig it was not too hard to machine out. The lower turned out really nice and took it to the range last week. I put a 22lr PSA upper on it and it shot really nice. Gonna start on a 9mm lower next week

Posted by: Trainyaker at June 28, 2020 08:20 PM (dQ8Kp)

Thank you both much. I understand you need to buy a jig to finish and have some tools I don't have, so I'll be watching video's a lot. Its something really want to do.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 28, 2020 08:46 PM (+EL0E)

335 test2

Well crap. Made me go back and check that I hadn't steered you wrong. Make sure there is no space on either side of the colon.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 28, 2020 08:46 PM (qc+VF)

336 Shooting commercial, ignore the boat tailed bullets as most battleworn milsurps will not benefit and the Enfields are no exception. Flat based bullets are generally what is called for or cast bullets with a gas check/hitek coating which can shoot exceptionally well sized for the bore.
Posted by: whig at June 28, 2020 08:41 PM (pv2s

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I was shooting a beat up SMLE with a decent action and decent bore. The ammo was okay, but nothing to write home about.

I really like shooting the rifle and it's one I shoot enough to be okay with, but not one I really know as well as my M1's and K-31's.

My go to guns an M1 and 1911 and I try to practice accordingly.

The SMLE is just a fun gun.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at June 28, 2020 08:47 PM (WEBkv)

337 I'm just glad there are more out there.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Masks work! Also, black people? You are not required to wear them. at June 28, 2020 08:39 PM (fFZS6)

Just so long as they're decently secured from the bad guys stealing them. That's my only worry with "more out there."

Posted by: GWB at June 28, 2020 08:47 PM (mRtYs)

338 I don't have a bug out bag, I'm not going anywhere. If I have to make a last stand, it'll be right here.

Posted by: ck at June 28, 2020 08:47 PM (Gf0Po)

339 328 I would like to hear from an LEO, too. And, if possible, a prosecutor. Just to know what you're up against after a gun incident/

Posted by: FloridaMan at June 28, 2020 08:44 PM (r28kI)

You need to hear from your LOCAL LEO, and LOCAL Prosecutor. It really does change even within the same State.

Hell, if I go TWO BLOCKS, I'm covered by the County Sheriff, who I've known for years, instead of city Cops, where the Chief of Police was a High School Rival of my Brothers (so who knows how that plays out).

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 28, 2020 08:47 PM (NgKpN)

340 test3 no spaces

mailto:b******e@yahoo.com

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 28, 2020 08:48 PM (sy5kK)

341 329
Florida Man, start carrying now, so you are used to it. And so if you
have to use it, you can say you've been carrying forever and this is the
first time you had to do it. And the first time you feared for your
life.

Once you've carried for a while it won't be so freaky.

Posted by: RI Red at June 28, 2020 08:45 PM (5qvy2)
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Yes.

Practice, practice, practice.

Carry when you're not in danger so you have the habits down for when you might be.

Also, practice drawing in a safe, unloaded environment.

Part of the drills we've been running is drawing while keeping eyes on the threat. Very important.

Don't be like Fredo and fumble your gun all over the place when every second counts.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 28, 2020 08:48 PM (cfSRQ)

342 I carry everywhere so that if I start to walk out of the house unarmed I know I'm forgetting something. I think "My phone? No..."

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 28, 2020 08:49 PM (+EL0E)

343 338 I don't have a bug out bag, I'm not going anywhere. If I have to make a last stand, it'll be right here.
Posted by: ck at June 28, 2020 08:47 PM (Gf0Po)

Yeah, I'm kind of stuck. Ain't no way I can make a run through Indian Country with my 91 year old Mom in the truck.

And if that situation changes? I would not be here anyway...

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 28, 2020 08:49 PM (NgKpN)

344 Shot placement counts more than caliber.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd

It does and it doesn't. An interesting study was performed when the Navy and the Marines moved away from the 45 caliber side arm as standard issue - one that found that, yes, the 9MM was indeed much easier to put on target, but the John Wayner gave battlefield confidence - and that fire power confidence was considered in Naval War College to indeed be necessary to move men, ships and battle lines forward. Being accurate is a part of that equation, but confidence to take a hill, or repel a ship board attack can be everything.

In the end - the Navy chose accuracy over fire power, but that choice has not been seriously tested by a worthy adversary in 40 years.

Posted by: Boswell at June 28, 2020 08:49 PM (32YRo)

345 I don't have a bug out bag, I'm not going anywhere. If I have to make a last stand, it'll be right here.
Posted by: ck at June 28, 2020 08:47 PM (Gf0Po)
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Bug out bags are for that time the local sheriff shows up and tells everyone they have three minutes to evacuate because the damn burst or a pipeline ruptured.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at June 28, 2020 08:49 PM (WEBkv)

346
still not working, but probably the browser.

using Brave, at least it recognizes the Return key.

DDG doesn't.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 28, 2020 08:50 PM (sy5kK)

347 Homeboy nyte-sytes? The cultural appropriation in this thread is staggeringly out of this world!

Posted by: Fritz at June 28, 2020 08:50 PM (95j/9)

348 Romeo13 at 339: "You need to hear from your LOCAL LEO, and LOCAL Prosecutor."

The problem with this: If I have to shoot someone, it's not going to be in this small town, with almost no crime. It will be in nearby Toledo, or Detroit.

I don't go to either place unless I really have to, but it can't be avoided entirely.

Posted by: Pastafarian at June 28, 2020 08:50 PM (sgHEm)

349 I did something last week I almost never do: I talked myself out of buying a new gun. I still shudder with the effort and mental anguish.

I was giving serious thought to getting a bolt action rifle in 22 magnum. Just as a range toy. Decided I would stay with the 22 magnum cylinders for the Ruger Single-Six and Heritage Rough Rider revolvers. Better to save the money of a new gun for ammo and components.

I already have T/C Contenders in 22 Hornet and 222 Remington if I want to explore long distance shooting with a 22 caliber. Besides, those calibers can be reloaded and I have the tools and components to do so.

But, damn! It was difficult.

Posted by: JTB at June 28, 2020 08:50 PM (7EjX1)

350 -
Don't be like Fredo and fumble your gun all over the place when every second counts.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 28, 2020 08:48 PM
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Racist!

Posted by: "I'm smart, and I want respect" Cuomo at June 28, 2020 08:51 PM (RVcmP)

351 I would like to hear from an LEO, too. And, if
possible, a prosecutor. Just to know what you're up against after a
gun incident/

Posted by: FloridaMan at June 28, 2020 08:44 PM (r28kI)

Well, he's neither of those, but Andrew Branca is a defense attorney for gun stuff, and posts over at Legal Insurrection and his own blog. He's written books and such. He's more cautious than I would be, but he actually gets paid to defend folks (or did).

Posted by: GWB at June 28, 2020 08:51 PM (mRtYs)

352 Part of the drills we've been running is drawing while keeping eyes on the threat. Very important.

Don't be like Fredo and fumble your gun all over the place when every second counts.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 28, 2020 08:48 PM (cfSRQ)

Yep, one of the hardest habits I had to break on my boarding team guys, was don't look at your gun, look at your target.

Actually started making them draw, rack, and even reload, with their eyes shut, so it would get drilled in through Kinesthesia.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 28, 2020 08:51 PM (NgKpN)

353 what are the room's thoughts on Ruger ?
Posted by: DB- just DB. at June 28, 2020 08:11 PM (iTXRQ)

My experience with Ruger has been excellent. Only pistol they make I didn't like was the early model LC9. Never a functional problem just a very long, heavy trigger pull. I have six other ones and they are well made and quite servicable. Excellent return for the price point. Rifles are good as well.

Posted by: Agitator at June 28, 2020 08:52 PM (y/e6R)

354 331 Hey Weasel great thread as always

the new pup looks a little skinny- you must for to fatten him up!

thanks to all who replied to my Ruger query
Posted by: DB- just DB. at June 28, 2020 08:46 PM (iTXRQ)
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Thanks!

Yeah, he's way too skinny, but we're fattening him up. Poor little guy was just skin and bones when we got him 3 weeks ago. He weighed about 6 pounds and should probably be close to twice that.

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 08:52 PM (MVjcR)

355 Bought a Springfield XD-S in .45 acp and shot it the first time yesterday. Barring any problems it is going to be my new EDC gun after I shoot another 200 rounds or so through it.

I shoot it way better than my Sig P365. And I like the sights better.

Tannerrite. Enough said but that stuff is the literal bomb. Put a can on top of an old broken electric smoker at 50 yards and hit it with a .223 and it looked like a shaped charge went through that smoker. Never seen anything like that. Wished I took some pictures of the aftermath.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 28, 2020 08:52 PM (JUOKG)

356 the new pup looks a little skinny- you must for to fatten him up!

Posted by: 0bama at June 28, 2020 08:46 PM (iTXRQ)

The sock that *should* have been used...

Posted by: GWB at June 28, 2020 08:52 PM (mRtYs)

357 BTW, for those thinking of leaving the scene if you shot someone in self defense, you have probably made any self defense claim much more difficult to claim if not impossible due to state statutory and common law.

The reasons are that you are giving up on having any forensic evidence being applied to your case, giving up the shield of innocence due to fleeing where the righteous person reports their conduct, making the police your enemy, most shootings are not fatal if reported in time so you could turn an attempted grievous into premeditated murder by not calling for help, etc. Also in today's connected world, pretty good chance that someone might have video.

No legitimate firearms trainer would advise you to flee without compelling reasons limited to your specific situation such as immediate personal safety after the fact by the assailant's peeps coming after you, etc. and at least Mas Ayoob has published the case histories of what happens when someone leaves the scene without calling the cops. Usually the outcome is not good at all for the person. Then, even if you survive the criminal trial, then you have civil litigation that could strip you of your assets anyway.

There are some options that won't break the bank, consider something like the Armed Citizens Defense League or USCCA programs that involve cooperative financial spread of legal risk via membership.

Best to avoid ANY potential self defense situation first by training to recognize when and where something is going down before it happens. Situational awareness here is key plus stay away from bad places and bad people in the first place.

If you dare to poke the bear, bring the topic up with Law of Self Defense Blog lawyer Andrew Branca and see what he says.

Posted by: whig at June 28, 2020 08:52 PM (pv2s8)

358 I disagree with the assertion that the new firearm purchases will be forgot about or sold "when things calm down".

The chineze lung aids plus the looting and rioting (should) have left an indelible impression on most people. If these things don't convince someone of the need for effective, meaningful self defense protection, I don't know what will. Didn't say I liked it. "Dese are da conditions dat prevail."

When it comes to ammunition, keep in mind it will all go "bang", but the good stuff, like most things in life, tends to be
more expensive. I have a fair amount of lower powered "plinking" cartridges that would not be the first choice for large critters of any kind, but I would not want to be on the wrong end of any of it.

Posted by: Common Tater at June 28, 2020 08:53 PM (/OEmT)

359 Part of the drills we've been running is drawing while keeping eyes on the threat. Very important.

Don't be like Fredo and fumble your gun all over the place when every second counts.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 28, 2020 08:48 PM (cfSRQ)
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I'll never forget my first USPSA match where I had to shoot on the move. However, I got to the point I could put rounds on target while moving at a pretty rapid pace.

Takes practice, though.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at June 28, 2020 08:53 PM (WEBkv)

360 Those who appreciate law and order might take issue with this, but I've mentioned several times the past few weeks that we're already considered Outlaws, and ought to at least get mentally prepared to behave accordingly.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 28, 2020 08:39 PM (z79tQ)

I will have to go through some possible scenarios in my mind ahead of time to help be prepared. I want to avoid any internal debate if faced with the situation. Just me.

Posted by: FloridaMan at June 28, 2020 08:53 PM (r28kI)

361 test3 no spaces

mailto:b******e@yahoo.com

That should work. Maybe your browser is doing something to "help" you? Where's that hogmartin guy when you need him? He's the tech guru.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 28, 2020 08:53 PM (qc+VF)

362 Cannibal, the old jooooish joke: "Spectacles, testicles, wallet and watch."
Except mine goes something like, "Car keys, cell phone, wallet, .380."
Testicles are optional.

Posted by: RI Red at June 28, 2020 08:53 PM (5qvy2)

363 347 Homeboy nyte-sytes? The cultural appropriation in this thread is staggeringly out of this world!
Posted by: Fritz at June 28, 2020 08:50 PM (95j/9)
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Ha! Thanks!

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 08:53 PM (MVjcR)

364 And something less a LEO might know: What sort of odds would I have, if I left?

I realize these are horrible things to discuss, but I'm pretty sure
I'm not the only one that's been thinking about this lately. During
these "trying times."

If you have a cell phone on you, that is dead certain forensic evidence you were there. If you didn't call 911, it will be interpreted that you were the aggressor, or that at the least you were indifferent to the damage you caused, you didn't stop and render aid, and you are pretty much done legally. If you carry, you need USCCA or some other carry legal insurance.

Even if you don't have a cell phone, cameras are everywhere. If you are going to leave, did you police up your brass? Did you leave some blood behind when you were attacked? Leaving the scene is generally a very bad idea, unless truly bizarre circumstances make it not so.
Now if we are in combat all of that changes, except that having a cell phone then is a really, really, bad idea.

Posted by: An Observation at June 28, 2020 08:53 PM (TPKib)

365 It does and it doesn't.

Posted by: Boswell at June 28, 2020 08:49 PM (32YRo)

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No, it unquestionably does, particularly in self-defense scenarios.

If you are a dead-eye shot with a .32 auto but can maybe get one hit out of five with a .45, carry the .32.

The Navy/Marine thing is old school navel (or naval) gazing.

For practical personal defense, the gun you can hit with is better than the one that makes loud noises and puts holes in things other than your intended target.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 28, 2020 08:54 PM (cfSRQ)

366 Weasel, that sideways sight was also pretty funny. But would it work?

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 28, 2020 08:55 PM (u82oZ)

367 Except mine goes something like, "Car keys, cell phone, wallet, .380."
Testicles are optional.

Posted by: RI Red at June 28, 2020 08:53 PM (5qvy2)

yep.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 28, 2020 08:55 PM (+EL0E)

368 what are the room's thoughts on Ruger ?
Posted by: DB- just DB. at June 28, 2020 08:11 PM (iTXRQ)

I'll second what Agitator said. No bad experiences with Ruger that I wasn't expecting. By which I mean trigger pull on double action pistols like the lcp and lc9.

OTOH, that awful pull is going to make sure you want to shoot before it goes Bang!

Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 28, 2020 08:55 PM (z79tQ)

369 Posted by: Washington Nearsider, LOL, get fucked at June 28, 2020 08:23 PM (T8HPM)
If you ever get out to my neck of the woods, holler - we'll go out and have some fun.
I'll be using the .22 Ruger for an Appleseed event later this year. My SiL mentioned it would be fun and, since I am really new to the shooting sports, I think it would be good for skill development.
I need to pick up another .22 for a grandson as I paid his way in, too. A Ruger 10/22 would be great but this idiot state counts that as an assault rifle because it's a semi-auto so I need to go take the class. Pure silliness.

Posted by: Long Running Fool at June 28, 2020 08:55 PM (RnS3H)

370 I'm a broken record, but Ruger is probably my favorite manufacturer overall for quality:value.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Masks work! Also, black people? You are not required to wear them. at June 28, 2020 08:55 PM (fFZS6)

371 The jig I bought was not cheap, but it can be used for Ar-9, ar-15, and ar-10. I eventually plan on doing a ten. It was a lot of fun and I learned a lot. The videos are really good and take your time doing it. I did it all with a hand drill and small router. 80 percent sells the tooling and drill guide extenders so that you don't have to use a drill press. Good luck it is fun to build.

Posted by: Trainyaker at June 28, 2020 08:55 PM (dQ8Kp)

372
Hey..you are gonna get a lot of juicy offers to convince you to be their gun expert running the shop for many militias once this CW2 gets going.

Don't take cash.

Only take gold, silver, platinum and toilet paper.

Since our side is for freedom, you can't take it in slaves either.

:-)

Posted by: Sapwolf at June 28, 2020 08:55 PM (nuv3n)

373 BREAKING NEWS:

I have just watched the movie My Spy starring Dave Bautista. Pretty funny little movie.

Here is the big news. There is a dog, a little Jack Russel I think. The dog's character is "Ozzie," and in the credits, Ozzie is played by Ace O'Spades/

Posted by: blaster at June 28, 2020 08:55 PM (ZfRYq)

374 Also, practice drawing in a safe, unloaded environment.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 28, 2020 08:48 PM (cfSRQ)

Buy some snaps - basically dummy rounds to keep your firing pin from snapping on air, and to allow you to cycle your mags without them locking back. (You still have to hand cycle, but it will allow you to test things, and to practice loading a round, etc.)
They come in almost all calibers, and most are colored so they can't be mistaken for live rounds.

Posted by: GWB at June 28, 2020 08:56 PM (mRtYs)

375 Can't stay, not enuff time with my bride available in this short visit. More later, if possible. At least I promise to read everything.

Weasel - I owe you some pics of interesting things to do to and with 1911s. I'll get it all together and send it when I get back to VA. Until then, Everybody stay safe. And sane...

McGyver, in Montana

Posted by: McGyver at June 28, 2020 08:56 PM (QGE45)

376 For practical personal defense, the gun you can hit with is better than the one that makes loud noises and puts holes in things other than your intended target.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 28, 2020 08:54 PM (cfSRQ)
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I once got taken to task at TTAG for putting up something similar.

A bunch of people were supposed to write and explain why and what they carried.

I wrote in and said I didn't give a damn what anyone carried, I wanted to know if the gun they used was reliable and were they able to put rounds on target with it?

Didn't go over well with some people in the comments section.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at June 28, 2020 08:57 PM (WEBkv)

377 Late to the party, I am a slow reader and between the content and the posts, well...

but this was a great thread, thank you Weasel.

BTW, Conor says he approves of "Hose A" as being much classier and unique, than "Joe"!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar -YOU are all in this together!- at June 28, 2020 08:57 PM (eTZoJ)

378 366 Weasel, that sideways sight was also pretty funny. But would it work?
Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 28, 2020 08:55 PM (u82oZ)
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Tell you what - I'll make that a video!

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 08:57 PM (MVjcR)

379 Always be the first one to call 911 in any situation. If you sense a situation arising, call and they can helpfully record you telling the bad guy to leave you alone and that you fear for your life.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Masks work! Also, black people? You are not required to wear them. at June 28, 2020 08:57 PM (fFZS6)

380 Yes, Andrew Branca and Massad Ayoob. Read and absorb.

Posted by: RI Red at June 28, 2020 08:58 PM (5qvy2)

381 test using chrome no spaces

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 28, 2020 08:58 PM (sy5kK)

382 Don't be like Fredo and fumble your gun all over the place when every second counts.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 28, 2020 08:48 PM (cfSRQ)

You know, that scene was sad and funny to me, but I can see now that if this is the first and only time you pull the weapon, I could see how it might happen.

Thanks for all of your excellent advice on carrying every day and getting prepared with practice. And insurance

Posted by: FloridaMan at June 28, 2020 08:59 PM (r28kI)

383 Tell you what - I'll make that a video!
Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 08:57 PM (MVjcR)
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Jerry beat you to it.

https://preview.tinyurl.com/ldfysez

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at June 28, 2020 08:59 PM (WEBkv)

384
I have an ammo can full of Wolf .223. Given to me by a co-worker who
knew better. It's rusting away. I shot about 500 rounds of it through
my AR and it took me twice as long to clean it as it did to shoot the
ammo.

Posted by: Martini Farmer - Civilly Disobedient at June 28, 2020 07:45 PM (3H9h1)

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i'll take it!

RL e-mail in nick

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 28, 2020 08:59 PM (9RkTh)

385 From down here inside the barrel, my apologies to the Horde and our esteemed host. Ugh.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at June 28, 2020 08:25 PM

Please to turn around and ankle grab so all modalities are covered.

Posted by: The Barrel Help Desk Otter at June 28, 2020 09:00 PM (DMUuz)

386 It also begs the question whether things will "calm down".

The Unpleasantness may just be getting started.

And as someone observed, when or if the music stops, you won't be able to get it for love or money.

There are a lot of discussions that hinge on the point that "you need go leave and go elsewhere", when dangerous situations develop. This is generally good advice, but

1. And go where?

2. What if I'm already home? Why should I have to leave?

These are situations that, while not unthinkable, didn't ordinarily come under discussion.

I suspect the rioters and saboteurs and fifth columists don't plan on conventional gun battles. They will just torch houses in the night, carjackings, ambush, and the like. So having 1,000 rounds isn't as useful as it might seem.

The old rule in "civil unrest" used to be, anyone with a lit Molotov in hand, the orders were shoot to kill. I think this is reasonable and prudent.

Posted by: Common Tater at June 28, 2020 09:00 PM (/OEmT)

387 372
Hey..you are gonna get a lot of juicy offers to convince you to be their gun expert running the shop for many militias once this CW2 gets going.

Don't take cash.

Only take gold, silver, platinum and toilet paper.

Since our side is for freedom, you can't take it in slaves either.

:-)
Posted by: Sapwolf at June 28, 2020 08:55 PM (nuv3n)

.22LR is a round, and a currency!

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 28, 2020 09:00 PM (sy5kK)

388 WTFO

Meanwhile, the Virginia State Police have been running illegal voluntary background checks on private sales at gun shows in Virginia for now more than four years. And the FBI apparently has been more than willing to turn a blind eye to the charade and let the VSP get away with it.

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 28, 2020 09:00 PM (JFO2v)

389 336, Actually, if you really want to go that route, you can accurize the beast--Roger Wadham's book is out there, there is another guy from Canada writing about it, and some tips via the Ian Skennerton as well.

If you fit the stock and forend to the no. 4, mk 1 or the no. 2 variants, they can shoot well enough for competition as the New Zealanders, Brits, Canadians, and Australians do. Australians developed a heavy barrel for the older No. 1, Mk 3 to do the same thing for military shooting competitions up to 1000 yards.

Posted by: whig at June 28, 2020 09:00 PM (pv2s8)

390 Boswell @ 344- We always thought the 9mm was so the crack troops could qualify. I was 2 years from retirement before having to qualify with the 9mm, carried one as a contractor, said I'd never own one. Well, now I own one, and it lives in the safe, just like the 1911. My carry is usually a G19 or Ruger .357 LCR.

Posted by: Eromero at June 28, 2020 09:01 PM (XhWtx)

391 Posted by: McGyver at June 28, 2020 08:56 PM (QGE45)
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OK! Sounds bueno!

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 09:01 PM (MVjcR)

392 For practical personal defense, the gun you can hit
with is better than the one that makes loud noises and puts holes in
things other than your intended target.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 28, 2020 08:54 PM (cfSRQ)

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I once got taken to task at TTAG for putting up something similar.

A bunch of people were supposed to write and explain why and what they carried.

I wrote in and said I didn't give a damn what anyone carried, I
wanted to know if the gun they used was reliable and were they able to
put rounds on target with it?

Didn't go over well with some people in the comments section.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 28, 2020 08:57 PM

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Anything that meets the FBI ballistics penetration test is good by me.

There are .22 lr, .22 magnum and .32acp rounds that meet those standards.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 28, 2020 09:01 PM (JUOKG)

393 Damnit, 344.

Posted by: Eromero at June 28, 2020 09:02 PM (XhWtx)

394 Oh, good. On my return from the barrel I saw a Federal HST thumbs-up.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at June 28, 2020 09:02 PM (EgshT)

395
380 Yes, Andrew Branca and Massad Ayoob. Read and absorb.
Posted by: RI Red at June 28, 2020 08:58 PM (5qvy2)
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This!!. Andrew Branca checks in here from time to time.

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 09:03 PM (MVjcR)

396 Re: Ruger

First pistol I purchased was a P95DC which is DA/SA.

I think this was Ruger's first polymer frame. Good thing because I cannot imagine what it would weigh in all steel.

Anyway, I posted in an earlier thread it will eat any 9mm fed to it. Including cheap Russian steel case.

It has taken up position my bug out bag.

It compares very favorably to my P226 in both form and function (though perhaps closer to a P229). The Sig is of course the Platonic ideal of pistols (let's light this candle) and the P95 favors it a lot. The controls are very similar, and they feel very similar. The P95 is slightly lighter and slightly shorter. But the thing will shoot ammo that causes the Sig to choke.

You can find them used cheap ~$350 or so. Not bad for a full sized 9mm. They are often derided as ugly but taste is a thing.

Posted by: blaster at June 28, 2020 09:03 PM (ZfRYq)

397 Alarming to me is the number of tweetVids showing an innocent person walking the sidewalk or going to his car from the store being assaulted by four or more thugs.

I order to protect one's self and property from that occasion one must recover composer and access his weapon without it being taken away.

Head on a swivel, yeah, but planning for the event and how to recover is a new thing to me that I have not seen covered.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 28, 2020 09:04 PM (Okeht)

398 BTW, Weasel, Mrs. R. thought the Mandela guy was awesome. The only thing better would be Weasel Dogs singing in the background!

Posted by: RI Red at June 28, 2020 09:04 PM (5qvy2)

399 I wrote in and said I didn't give a damn what anyone
carried, I wanted to know if the gun they used was reliable and were
they able to put rounds on target with it?

Didn't go over well with some people in the comments section.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at June 28, 2020 08:57 PM (WEBkv)

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Yeah, and I remember the early internet's "Rule of a gunfight" that said "only carry a caliber that begins with a 4."

Shot placement is all that matters. The military likes to argue about confidence and stuff but they are also in *combat* where volume of fire is actually a thing.

That is why I tell people if that dinky .22 is all you can handle but you are able to hit things with it, that is what you should use.

In time, people can move up. My daughter started on .22LR, moved up to .380 and now can handle 9mm. But not everyone can do that.

Plus, there's ease of carry. At the top of the comments I outlined how my C96 was able to *dominate* a self-defense drill. It was actually pretty fast, very accurate and hits like a freight train.

But who is going to carry one?

The "inadequate" .380 on your belt always beats the .454 sitting in your gun safe.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 28, 2020 09:04 PM (cfSRQ)

400

Jerry beat you to it.

https://preview.tinyurl.com/ldfysez
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at June 28, 2020 08:59 PM (WEBkv)
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He stole my idea! That guy IS fast!

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 09:04 PM (MVjcR)

401 The old rule in "civil unrest" used to be, anyone with a lit Molotov in hand, the orders were shoot to kill. I think this is reasonable and prudent.
Posted by: Common Tater at June 28, 2020 09:00 PM (/OEmT)

Unfortunately the new rule seems to be "it's just property!" screamed by protesters and politicians alike, and shared on the socials by those supposedly on the right.
I don't know if the old rules apply, as things seem to change weekly/daily/hourly

Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 28, 2020 09:04 PM (z79tQ)

402 The old rule in "civil unrest" used to be, anyone with a lit Molotov in hand, the orders were shoot to kill. I think this is reasonable and prudent.
Posted by: Common Tater at June 28, 2020 09:00 PM (/OEmT)

I don't disagree, but it used to be reasonable and prudent to take whatever actions were necessary to escape if your car was swarmed with people trying to break into it and kill you, too.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 28, 2020 09:05 PM (t+qrx)

403 The old rule in "civil unrest" used to be, anyone
with a lit Molotov in hand, the orders were shoot to kill. I think this
is reasonable and prudent.

Posted by: Common Tater at June 28, 2020 09:00 PM (/OEmT)

AND legal. Anyone with a lit molotov is attacking someone with a deadly weapon.

Just remember: shoot them while their arm is back, but *before* it gets very far in the throwing motion. You want that molotov dropping _right_ where they are, not downrange.

Posted by: GWB at June 28, 2020 09:06 PM (mRtYs)

404 Unfortunately the new rule seems to be "it's just property!"

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It's weird how their entire complain is that they aren't the ones that own it.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Masks work! Also, black people? You are not required to wear them. at June 28, 2020 09:06 PM (fFZS6)

405 The "inadequate" .380 on your belt always beats the .454 sitting in your gun safe.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 28, 2020 09:04 PM (cfSRQ)
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Yep.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at June 28, 2020 09:06 PM (WEBkv)

406 398 BTW, Weasel, Mrs. R. thought the Mandela guy was awesome. The only thing better would be Weasel Dogs singing in the background!
Posted by: RI Red at June 28, 2020 09:04 PM (5qvy2)
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Hi to Mrs Red!

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 09:06 PM (MVjcR)

407 illegal voluntary background checks on private sales at gun shows

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 28, 2020 09:00 PM (JFO2v)

Ummm, how would a voluntary check be illegal?

Posted by: GWB at June 28, 2020 09:07 PM (mRtYs)

408 I think in this video age, any time you have to pull your weapon, you should repeat loudly "I fear for my life! I fear for my life!"

Posted by: blaster at June 28, 2020 09:07 PM (ZfRYq)

409 Weasel, my friend and protector of little dogs that need a forever home- another great thread.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 28, 2020 09:07 PM (CSvq/)

410 It's weird how their entire complain is that they aren't the ones that own it.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Masks work! Also, black people? You are not required to wear them. at June 28, 2020 09:06 PM (fFZS6)
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First person that tells me, to my face, "It's just stuff!"

I'll look at them and say, "Fine, I'll be over to take your stuff. You won't mind, right?"

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at June 28, 2020 09:07 PM (WEBkv)

411 The littlest one is up and wandering around. Y'all have fun.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Masks work! Also, black people? You are not required to wear them. at June 28, 2020 09:08 PM (fFZS6)

412 First person that tells me, to my face, "It's just stuff!"

I'll look at them and say, "Fine, I'll be over to take your stuff. You won't mind, right?"
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at June 28, 2020 09:07 PM (WEBkv)

Snark may not be the best weapon in this case.

Posted by: blaster at June 28, 2020 09:08 PM (ZfRYq)

413 Just wanted to say Thanks, Weasel, for the GT.

Your videos just keep getting better and better.

And 2nded on Andrew Branca. Seriously.

Posted by: ibguy at June 28, 2020 09:08 PM (EHVbt)

414 409 Weasel, my friend and protector of little dogs that need a forever home- another great thread.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 28, 2020 09:07 PM (CSvq/)
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Thank you my friend.

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 09:10 PM (MVjcR)

415 It's not just property or stuff.

It's a chunk of your life, the time it took to earn enough to buy that stuff.
It's your dream and livelihood, if it is your shop destroyed.
It's your home and castle, the place you should feel most safe.

Destroyed by fire by assholes? Judged by 12, I guess.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 28, 2020 09:11 PM (z79tQ)

416 Snark may not be the best weapon in this case.
Posted by: blaster at June 28, 2020 09:08 PM (ZfRYq)
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I know a few like people who think like that, and I've reached my "give a damn" quotient.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at June 28, 2020 09:11 PM (WEBkv)

417 Lots of good advice in this thread.

And Weasel, if I was shooting, the ground hogs, chipmunks and flying squirrels would be in more danger than that target.

I may get to a range soon. But for now, a walk in the outdoor sauna that is Kansas is next.

Have a great week!

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 28, 2020 09:12 PM (u82oZ)

418 Posted by: ibguy at June 28, 2020 09:08 PM (EHVbt)
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Thanks ibguy! It's taking longer than I'd like to get the hang of it, but I'm happy to hear they are getting there.

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 09:12 PM (MVjcR)

419 Well, now I own one, and it lives in the safe, just like the 1911. My carry is usually a G19 or Ruger .357 LCR.

Posted by: Eromero at June 28, 2020 09:01 PM (XhWtx)

I actually qualified in both pistols having served between their usage in the Navy - the most trusted side arm in my opinion was the 9MM - it placed rounds very accurately on target, its kick was minimal, and it felt easy in the hand, not bottom heavy, and more deployable in a fight. But that's me - the 45 caliber along with the 6 inch 38 for pilots was selected by Naval personnel in a 1984 study as weapons of choice for the service man.

Posted by: Boswell at June 28, 2020 09:12 PM (32YRo)

420 Posted by: The Barrel Help Desk Otter at June 28, 2020 09:00 PM

Oh, crap. There are Barrel Otters?

Shit just got real.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 28, 2020 09:13 PM (rBtIz)

421 Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 28, 2020 09:12 PM (u82oZ)
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Thanks amigo!

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 09:13 PM (MVjcR)

422 Thanks again Weasel for another excellent couple of hours of entertainment, knowledge, and ideas.

And give WD and Jose (yeah, I like that better than Joe, YMMV) an extra scratch behind the ears for me.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 28, 2020 09:13 PM (sy5kK)

423 Don't ask, don't tell and be darn careful who you shoot around.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker

I'll let him know... I know it was being transported only for emergency use... not for 'fun'.

Posted by: AZ deplorably isolated at June 28, 2020 09:13 PM (gtatv)

424 Weasel, in case I haven't mentioned it yet, you're doing good work and I look forward to the gun thread. I'm here even when I'm not commenting because of the content.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 28, 2020 09:13 PM (z79tQ)

425 Luckily the law in Texas allows you to use deadly force to protect your property.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 28, 2020 09:14 PM (2DOZq)

426
before the boating accident, I used to occasionally carry a little .22. as Kim du Toit used to call them, a "7-11" gun

better than nothing, right?

when debating the benefits of carrying a .22, my logic was this:

take a standard paper plate and place it anywhere on your body where you'd be comfortable with getting stabbed with a #2 Philips screwdriver up to eleven times

ii's not something you'd take to a formal gun fight, but it would work fine up against punks playing the knock-out game or some tweaked wanting to to attack you for your wallet so he can score his next bag of glass

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 28, 2020 09:14 PM (y60eS)

427 207 -----
Thank you! I really wish I could turn them out more often. They're fun but do take some time.

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 08:07 PM (MVjcR)
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No intent to be intrusive but possibly a conversation with reina el cid, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXjqcM8WDvI, she does all the recording and editing and seems to enjoy talking about tech.
She may appreciate the attention.

Not making them better because they are great, but making the editing not so tedious.

Of course, this is a totally self serving _moar.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 28, 2020 09:14 PM (Okeht)

428 It's a chunk of your life, the time it took to earn enough to buy that stuff.
It's your dream and livelihood, if it is your shop destroyed.
It's your home and castle, the place you should feel most safe.

Destroyed by fire by assholes? Judged by 12, I guess.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 28, 2020 09:11 PM (z79tQ)
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Those who hold stuff in little regard have little for life.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at June 28, 2020 09:14 PM (WEBkv)

429 For the record folks, in most states you cannot shoot someone to protect "property" at all and please leave aside Texas where it has some caveats.

If someone has a Molotov cocktail and is in the act throwing it at the house you are inside, then it is considered not defending property but risk of serious bodily injury or death. Arson of an occupied house, car, RV, etc is treated in virtually all states as a forcible felony that can be treated as a deadly attack.

For folks that want the ins and outs, please, please, at least buy Andrew Branca's or Mitch Vilos's books on the laws regarding self defense. Massad Ayoob has also written on the subject as has Tom Givens (rangemaster), Marty Hayes with the free Armed Citizen's Defense League (ALCDN) news letter with archives, the USCCA folks, etc.

There are also some fine firearms forums that usually have a legal section usually manned by attorneys in part.

Posted by: whig at June 28, 2020 09:15 PM (pv2s8)

430 Chi-town-jerry, if you're still around, and if you
want to toddle out to DeKalb County, I will help you get started. Range
time, different arms to try, beginner lessons. Email in nick.

Posted by: Baron Munchausen
...........Sorry.. had to run out for a grocery run..
Thank you! That is very kind of you!
At this point in time, I cannot really leave my wife alone for any appreciable amount of time. But I would love to take you up on the offer at some point in the future.
If that is your email in your signature, I will send you one and we can keep in touch until the time is right..
Thanks again!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 28, 2020 09:15 PM (CjFDo)

431
tweaker, not tweaked

f'n autocucumber

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 28, 2020 09:15 PM (y60eS)

432 The old rule in "civil unrest" used to be, anyone with a lit Molotov in hand, the orders were shoot to kill. I think this is reasonable and prudent.
Posted by: Common Tater at June 28, 2020 09:00 PM (/OEmT)

Why didn't you just shoot the Molotov out of their hand?!

Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 28, 2020 09:15 PM (1g7ch)

433 Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 28, 2020 09:13 PM (sy5kK)
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Thank you, LCD!

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 09:15 PM (MVjcR)

434 Florida Man and others: If you are going to start carrying you need to game out likely scenarios, so that you don't do things on the fly, which will likely be wrong.
I'm up in northern east bumfuk, NH, so I don't anticipate a BLM mob attacking my house. Much more likely is me driving south on the interstate and all of a sudden having a mob in the road.
What do you do if they jump on your car? Hit a window with a skateboard? Etc.
Hello, 911, I'm being attacked by a mob and I fear for my life. I'm armed, but please send cops and an ambulance. And hurry!

Posted by: RI Red at June 28, 2020 09:16 PM (5qvy2)

435
Why didn't you just shoot the Molotov out of their hand?!
Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 28, 2020 09:15 PM (1g7ch)
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"Their head got in the way."

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at June 28, 2020 09:16 PM (WEBkv)

436 Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 28, 2020 09:13 PM (z79tQ)
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Why thank you. I appreciate that!

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 09:16 PM (MVjcR)

437 It's not just property or stuff.

It's a chunk of your life, the time it took to earn enough to buy that stuff.

It's your dream and livelihood, if it is your shop destroyed.

It's your home and castle, the place you should feel most safe.

Destroyed by fire by assholes? Judged by 12, I guess.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 28, 2020 09:11 PM

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I joined the Army when I graduated High School and they taught me to kill people and I was good at it.

Unless someone is trying to actively harm me or the wife I do not want to do that again.

Got way too many demons hanging around from the first go around to want to actively do that again unless it is forced on me.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 28, 2020 09:18 PM (JUOKG)

438 Unfortunately the new rule seems to be "it's just
property!" screamed by protesters and politicians alike, and shared on
the socials by those supposedly on the right.

I don't know if the old rules apply, as things seem to change weekly/daily/hourly

Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 28, 2020 09:04 PM (z79tQ)

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I think the buildings that got burned were known to be unoccupied, which is why they were targeted.

If you try to set fire to a building with people in it, a whole different set of rules apply.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 28, 2020 09:18 PM (cfSRQ)

439 Ummm, how would a voluntary check be illegal?

Posted by: GWB at June 28, 2020 09:07 PM (mRtYs)

Like your voluntary tax returns.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 28, 2020 09:19 PM (Okeht)

440
Snark may not be the best weapon in this case.
Posted by: blaster at June 28, 2020 09:08 PM

Shark not snark.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 28, 2020 09:19 PM (aKsyK)

441 Hiya, Weasel! Another outstanding Gun Thread, to be sure!

And don't worry about that one errant shot. You've seen the pic of my target full of 'em. Still haven't got out with the 140 gr. to see about any improvements, there.

I've purchased vintage (1980s!) New Old Stock rings to fit my CZ 452 Lux, .22 LR. And I've got a backorder for a Vortex 2x7x32 scope for it.

But I'm going to be slow to make the installation. With the junky Remington 36gr. Stinger ammo, it was giving a 3" group at 100 yards. I'm going to have to break into my last remaining stash of CCI Mini-Mag 40 gr. HPs. That stuff has a proven record of giving a 1.5" group at 125 yards.

And that was under Instructor observation at a Project Appleseed training weekend.

Got an "attaboy!" for that group. But I do want to put glass on it at least for a while, and see just what the max accuracy I can wring out of it shall prove to be.

It still remains the most fun shootin' rifle in the safe. Range time always improves when that rifle comes out of it's case.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at June 28, 2020 09:20 PM (QzJWU)

442 Slightly tangential, prior to a nooding from the ONT...

I see .50 caliber sabot rounds for the 12ga. And I'm thinking, WTH?!
Anyone shot these particular "specialty" rounds? Do they work any better than a 12ga slug? What's the point?

Posted by: GWB at June 28, 2020 09:21 PM (mRtYs)

443 Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 28, 2020 09:18 PM (JUOKG)

That's the main reason I wanted Trump to take action immediately. I pay my taxes so I don't have to turn into a killer.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 28, 2020 09:21 PM (2DOZq)

444 tweaker, not tweaked

f'n autocucumber

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 28, 2020 09:15 PM (y60eS)

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Sure it wasn't "twerker, twerked"?

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 28, 2020 09:22 PM (cfSRQ)

445 In TX you can use lethal force to protect your neighbor's property.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 28, 2020 09:22 PM (Okeht)

446 Posted by: Braenyard at June 28, 2020 09:14 PM (Okeht)
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Thanks, I will check that out. A lot of it is having to do 20 takes of the same thing to get it right, and setting up and moving gear around. I'm getting more efficient, albeit slowly. Thanks!

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 09:22 PM (MVjcR)

447 Wow, Weasel. Every new week brings new stuff and new commenters.
I hope Management appreciates Sunday Night!

Posted by: RI Red at June 28, 2020 09:22 PM (5qvy2)

448 well, what brands of ammo would be reliable for a hypothetical .380 glock 42 or a hypothetical springfield xdm 45

Posted by: vmom 2020 - anti Brutal Looting Marxists at June 28, 2020 09:23 PM (WwTwF)

449 Posted by: Jim at June 28, 2020 09:20 PM (QzJWU)
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Thanks, Jim!

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 09:23 PM (MVjcR)

450 That's the main reason I wanted Trump to take action immediately. I pay my taxes so I don't have to turn into a killer.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 28, 2020 09:21 PM (2DOZq)

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General police power belongs to the states, not the federal government.

The states own this. It is what they are paid to take care of.

Only after things completely break down can the federal government intervene.

If you are worried, start calling your local government officials and demanding accountability. It's their job, not Trump's.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 28, 2020 09:24 PM (cfSRQ)

451 In most cases, it is the wiser choice to let the property go and have insurance if no deadly threat is presented than to confront criminals and have things go sideways legally or in the fight.

The legal bill for a defense attorney for a defense for a serious crime such as using a firearm against someone can run about 10,000 easy to try to prevent an indictment at the grand jury stage.

For a self defense case before the jury with expert witnesses in forensics, tactics, etc. can go north of 50,000 to the sky depending on the circumstances because you need both a defense attorney that has actually defended self defense cases successfully and you are going to have to pay for your own experts to provide that attorney a reasonable chance of winning.

Then you have the civil case to worry about.

Best to let them have the tv or laptop as a cost benefit analysis.

There are a lot of topics where spitballing about the perfect caliber, brand of rifle, etc. are where opinions can run free.

The law of self defense is not one of those areas and is on par with doing heart surgery on one's self. And worse yet, they vary among states and even jurisdictions due to prosecutorial whims.

Save self defense for what Mas Ayoob calls, In the Gravest Extreme (which is what he titled his classic work on the subject).

Posted by: whig at June 28, 2020 09:25 PM (pv2s8)

452 Looks like YouTube have been developing Artificial Stupidity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSjrYWPxsG8

White dominating Black ...

Posted by: Palindrome Paduan at June 28, 2020 09:26 PM (AHq56)

453 That's the main reason I wanted Trump to take action immediately. I pay my taxes so I don't have to turn into a killer.
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 28, 2020 09:21 PM (2DOZq)
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Everyone has to make a decision.

I have decided that my responsibility is my AO and that's it.

Things happen downtown, nope, not going, not interested.

I get a call from a friend needing serious help, who lives on the other side of town, they will be on their own, as I've a wife that comes first and I will not abandon.

If things go more pear shaped, I'll rethink.

For now, this is where I stand.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at June 28, 2020 09:26 PM (WEBkv)

454 Weasel,
Something I should have mentioned weeks ago. the way you speak on your videos is great. I see so many Youtube videos where it's difficult to hear the narrator. You always enunciate clearly and not too fast. We can hear and follow every word.

Of course WD is easy to understand.

Posted by: JTB at June 28, 2020 09:26 PM (7EjX1)

455 Hypothetically, Vmom, anything your firearm(s) will feed and shoot reliably. Paul whatisname has a video on special ammo and how it is too "precious" to shoot.
Get a store brand and get good with it.

Posted by: RI Red at June 28, 2020 09:27 PM (5qvy2)

456 well, what brands of ammo would be reliable for a hypothetical .380 glock 42 or a hypothetical springfield xdm 45
Posted by: vmom 2020 - anti Brutal Looting Marxists at June 28, 2020 09:23 PM (WwTwF)

For the range , Winchester white box. For carry, too many choices but I still use the proven Federal Hydra Shok.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 28, 2020 09:27 PM (2DOZq)

457 Save self defense for what Mas Ayoob calls, In the Gravest Extreme (which is what he titled his classic work on the subject).

Posted by: whig at June 28, 2020 09:25 PM (pv2s

Read his work from the mid 80s.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 28, 2020 09:27 PM (Okeht)

458 -- if I ever have to light somebody up while I'm inside the car, I'm going to lose what little hearing I have left. So I got a couple of pairs of ear plugs to keep in the cup holder. I realize that if the SHTF I may not have time to put them in, but having them handy couldn't hurt.
Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at June 28, 2020 07:31 PM (u4Szx)

Wouldn't a set of over-the-ear muffs be quicker to put on in the event of an emergency? Could be done with one hand.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 28, 2020 09:28 PM (4/Jpp)

459 Unless someone is trying to actively harm me or the wife I do not want to do that again.

Got way too many demons hanging around from the first go around to want to actively do that again unless it is forced on me.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 28, 2020 09:18 PM (JUOKG)

I think an angry crowd and gas bombs would qualify for a lot of folks. If you think you can unass the area safely and choose that route, I won't begrudge you.
If I'm on a jury of someone who chose otherwise, it's going to be a loooooooooong deliberation. Ending in a hung jury.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 28, 2020 09:28 PM (z79tQ)

460 well, what brands of ammo would be reliable for a hypothetical .380 glock 42 or a hypothetical springfield xdm 45

Posted by: vmom 2020 - anti Brutal Looting Marxists at June 28, 2020 09:23 PM (WwTwF)

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I would go with what you can get and make sure it works. The inexpensive stuff is fine. Winchester, UMC, American Eagle, Remington are all decent.

Buy enough of the same kind that you can shoot some of it to get a feel for the firearm. Different bullet weights will cause the firearm to act a little differently, so try to get the same size.

Finally, don't get a Glock. There are already too many Glock owners

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 28, 2020 09:28 PM (cfSRQ)

461 How does one "know" a building is unoccupied? It might be, or should be, but who knows?

Those "shoot to kill" orders in the 1960s were given by Democrat mayors and ran through city attorneys, who concurred. It was very publicly made announcements. It keeps the amateurs at home, I'd expect.

I beleive anyone depraved enough to throw Molotovs, even at an "unoccupied" building needs some persuasion to find something else to do. Shit costs money, insurance, tax revenue, mortgages, commerce, future of revenue streams, likelihood of holding and attracting future businesses, conventions, all kinds of stuff.

People used to know all this stuff. Particularly if they were in government. Sure, they might have been corrupt. But they weren't fucking stupid

Posted by: Common Tater at June 28, 2020 09:28 PM (/OEmT)

462 well, what brands of ammo would be reliable for a hypothetical .380 glock 42 or a hypothetical springfield xdm 45
Posted by: vmom 2020 - anti Brutal Looting Marxists at June 28, 2020 09:23 PM (WwTwF)
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I shoot PMC Bronze out of my 1911's. I've run thousands of rounds of PMC through my guns and the ammo has been unbelievably reliable and uniform. In fact, PMC is my practice round of choice.

Price point is good, brass case, etc.

Downside: It tends to run dirty.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at June 28, 2020 09:29 PM (WEBkv)

463 Carrying ear protection could theoretically be characterized as premeditation.

Posted by: davidt at June 28, 2020 09:30 PM (l3+k2)

464 orders were shoot to kill. I think this is reasonable and prudent.
Posted by: Common Tater at June 28, 2020 09:00 PM (/OEmT)

Chicago Mayor Richard Daley in the 60s was absolutely brutalize in the press for his order to police to Shoot to maim, shoot to kill. Lot of rioting and police confrontations, not so much looting IIRC

Posted by: FloridaMan at June 28, 2020 09:30 PM (r28kI)

465 447 Wow, Weasel. Every new week brings new stuff and new commenters.
I hope Management appreciates Sunday Night!
Posted by: RI Red at June 28, 2020 09:22 PM (5qvy2)
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Thanks, Red! Moving into my 9:30 message - I sure do appreciate every one spending part of their Sunday evening here and it is always great to see all the new commenters. I really do appreciate all of the great participation and comments and encouragement on the thread in general and the videos in particular! I also appreciate all the great content you all send in week after week. You all are what make this fun. Thank you!

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 09:31 PM (MVjcR)

466
Finally, don't get a Glock. There are already too many Glock owners
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 28, 2020 09:28 PM (cfSRQ)

alas

Posted by: vmom 2020 - anti Brutal Looting Marxists at June 28, 2020 09:31 PM (WwTwF)

467 Oh, an M1A thread. I love my M1A. I got a used Po Po (Police) trade several years ago in for 700 bucks (Scout Squad model- 18 inch barrel-synthetic stocK)- . The Po Po was trading in the heavy artillery for them cat and rat rifles (AR-15's).

I likey the Po Po trade ins. Prices are reasonable, Hardly ever been fired. Lots of cosmetic wear, from being slung and toted around everyday. Barrels usually in pristine shape. Although you will find the occasional coffee stain and doughnut residue.

It has a piece of duct tape on the stock that had "Stikman" written on it. Maybe it was the officers name?

Posted by: The Walking Dude at June 28, 2020 09:31 PM (cCxiu)

468 MonSewer Lloyd, I love you like a brother (no homo).
I carry a Glock. A very powerful and accurate one.
But I'll still buy you a drink at a MoMe!

Posted by: RI Red at June 28, 2020 09:32 PM (5qvy2)

469 I don't know if the old rules apply, as things seem to change weekly/daily/hourly
Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 28, 2020 09:04 PM

Y'all say that like it's a Bad Thing.

Posted by: Calvin at June 28, 2020 09:32 PM (DMUuz)

470 Thanks, Red! Moving into my 9:30 message - I sure do appreciate every one spending part of their Sunday evening here and it is always great to see all the new commenters. I really do appreciate all of the great participation and comments and encouragement on the thread in general and the videos in particular! I also appreciate all the great content you all send in week after week. You all are what make this fun. Thank you!
Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 09:31 PM (MVjcR)
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You put a lot of time and effort into putting this thread together. Thank you very much for all your effort.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at June 28, 2020 09:32 PM (WEBkv)

471 454 Weasel,
Something I should have mentioned weeks ago. the way you speak on your videos is great. I see so many Youtube videos where it's difficult to hear the narrator. You always enunciate clearly and not too fast. We can hear and follow every word.

Of course WD is easy to understand.
Posted by: JTB at June 28, 2020 09:26 PM (7EjX1)
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Thanks, JTB. I do notice I say "uh" too much but think that's, uh, just the way I talk!

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 09:32 PM (MVjcR)

472
Weasel,
Something I should have mentioned weeks ago. the way you speak on your videos is great. I see so many Youtube videos where it's difficult to hear the narrator. You always enunciate clearly and not too fast. We can hear and follow every word.

Of course WD is easy to understand.
Posted by: JTB

He's right. Studio quality audio. No reverb unlike a lot of these jokers on TV operating from their home studios.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 28, 2020 09:33 PM (aKsyK)

473 453, blake, you are a wise man.

BTW, for all of you guys, this is also an open forum and when talking about matters of self defense, less is more. Scouring social media is standard operating procedures for police and prosecutors nowadays so keep your words prudent.

You want privacy for your legal advice, then pay the freight and consult a GOOD criminal defense attorney experience in self defense cases--not the type that gets you the best deal on a plea bargain. Before any bad stuff happens, experienced police officers ironically usually can provide you with the names of some attorney they would call in for an officer involved shooting. The two types of criminal defense attorneys (plea takers and trial lawyers) are not the same.

Posted by: whig at June 28, 2020 09:33 PM (pv2s8)

474 463 Carrying ear protection could theoretically be characterized as premeditation.
Posted by: davidt

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it's for when the dog is in the car - he barks so loud

Posted by: vmom 2020 - anti Brutal Looting Marxists at June 28, 2020 09:33 PM (WwTwF)

475 You know, the final pic is funny and appropriate. Because I borrowed something from John Lovell (Warrior Poet) for one handed shooting that works pretty well:

You start out holding your pistol gangster-style, then rotate your wrist 90 degrees to bring the sights up on target. Lock the thumb down and begin squeezing off shots.

I was impressed by what an improvement it made to my one-handed drills. Worth trying. The rotated forearm seems to 'lock' the arm better, making follow up shots faster as opposed to just lifting the arm up normally without the gangster + rotation.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 28, 2020 09:33 PM (d1uFV)

476 304 Catch Thirty, what will you do with that ammo if you have to leave,

This is a rhetorical question.
Posted by: Ben Had at June 28, 2020 08:37 PM (CSvq/)

Oh crap. Rhetorical or not, now you got me thinking in terms of logistics.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 28, 2020 09:34 PM (ejsiI)

477 I'm not worried about mad crowds, or my vehicle being surrounded. If you see them coming you are, or should be, in control.

I'm concerned about walking to my vehicle from the store and being gang banged.

How does one recover?
Where does one carry a weapon in order to access it in a stressful situation like that?

Posted by: Braenyard at June 28, 2020 09:34 PM (Okeht)

478 I carry a Glock. A very powerful and accurate one.
But I'll still buy you a drink at a MoMe!
Posted by: RI Red at June 28, 2020 09:32 PM (5qvy2)
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Whatever, Mr. Plastic Fantastic.

But, yeah, I'd buy you a drink at a MoMe, because reliability, familiarity and ability with weapon of choice is what counts, in the end.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at June 28, 2020 09:34 PM (WEBkv)

479 Someone comes in your house, you have no responsibility to determine if they are property thieves or worse, deal with it with extreme measures.

Posted by: Heart of Darkness at June 28, 2020 09:35 PM (nFRLh)

480 Finally, don't get a Glock. There are already too many Glock owners

I'm fine with the good-natured ribbing that goes on here but this is potentially a life-and-death decision. Don't let someone else's personal bugaboos restrict your choices for no good reason. The reason that there are so many Glock owners is that they're affordable, functional, and dead nuts reliable.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 28, 2020 09:35 PM (qc+VF)

481 461
How does one "know" a building is unoccupied? It might be, or should be, but who knows?

Posted by: Common Tater at June 28, 2020 09:28 PM (/OEmT)

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I believe (but do not know for certain) that the liberal rioters in liberal towns were advised which buildings were occupied before they got the torch. The police precinct was evacuated, for example.

My point is that if you are *in* a building - residence or not - and people try to set it on fire, the law regarding self-defense is different than if you are merely *near* the building.

Hence the Rooftop Koreans. They were highly visible building occupants and their weapons indicated that they would forcibly respond to attempts to burn the buildings down.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 28, 2020 09:36 PM (cfSRQ)

482 that's funny-

that sign language interpreter guy has about 3 basic moves

heh heh

Posted by: DB- just DB. at June 28, 2020 09:36 PM (iTXRQ)

483
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at June 28, 2020 09:32 PM (WEBkv)
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Thanks, Blake. I'm really happy you all like it!

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 09:37 PM (MVjcR)

484 No, I haven't been to the range.

There's an ammo shortage on, man! If I shoot down to my re-order point, then I am stuck...can't shoot without depleting my final protective line.

Posted by: thesgm at June 28, 2020 09:37 PM (2jnTD)

485 Now for the range report.

I bought an AK sight mount from the AK Operator's Union. It was not cheap but it does work very well. I added a cheap Holosun red dot, and sighted it in on Saturday. Once it was on target, shots were nicely grouped, so long as I put the dot back on target in the same place consistently

I let the Nurse try her hand and she ended up putting 5 rounds touching each other at 25 yards offhanded.

Also brought along my car gun, which currently is a S&W M&P Compact 1.0. It's...not great. The trigger is a bear, long and heavy and mushy. BUT...firing at speed..it works. Not great but it works. And it's reliable as hell. So I haven't gotten rid of it. It's also nicely sized and holds 12 rounds of 9mm. Not my go-to pistol by any means but...good enough to keep in the sedan.

Despite the flaws of the pistol, it was a good day at the range.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 28, 2020 09:37 PM (d1uFV)

486 Snark may not be the best weapon in this case.

Yeah but snark, plus a loaded AR goes a very long way.

Posted by: An Observation at June 28, 2020 09:37 PM (TPKib)

487 Posted by: whig at June 28, 2020 09:33 PM (pv2s

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Thank you.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at June 28, 2020 09:38 PM (WEBkv)

488 Finally, don't get a Glock. There are already too many Glock owners
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 28, 2020 09:28 PM

Except for Mod. 20 or 40, correct?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 28, 2020 09:38 PM (DMUuz)

489
He's right. Studio quality audio. No reverb unlike a lot of these jokers on TV operating from their home studios.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 28, 2020 09:33 PM (aKsyK)
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Thanks! I'm finally getting all of the different microphones sorted out and mostly using the right ones at the right times!

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 09:39 PM (MVjcR)

490 There are some options that won't break the bank, consider something like the Armed Citizens Defense League or USCCA programs that involve cooperative financial spread of legal risk via membership.

If I'm not mistaken, Texas Law Shield does the same for $10 a month (TX only of course).

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 28, 2020 09:39 PM (ejsiI)

491 How does one recover?
Where does one carry a weapon in order to access it in a stressful situation like that?
Posted by: Braenyard at June 28, 2020 09:34 PM (Okeht)

I carry on my right hip. If things are hinkey, I keep my right hand free at all times.

If you get sucker punched...I'm not going to lie, things are already starting out bad. Cover your head, get to your feet and put your back against something. Then draw your sidearm and save your skin.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 28, 2020 09:39 PM (d1uFV)

492 Weasel, been fun thread again. More Dr. stuff in the AM so good night everyone. Always lots of good Info in this thread.

Posted by: Agitator at June 28, 2020 09:40 PM (y/e6R)

493 Blake, JTB, Weasel, AH Lloyd (of whom I may have read a book or two), y'all are brothers. I ain't gonna complain if you back me up with your personal favorite firearm. I'm into diversity.

Posted by: RI Red at June 28, 2020 09:40 PM (5qvy2)

494 Well no, my point is arsonists should be put down, occupied building or not. I think Daley or whoever did the correct thing.

At some point the nonsense needs to stop. The current crop of "leadership" at the mayoral or gubernatorial level, many of them are not up to the task. And it shows. These are not easy decisions, I'm sure.

Keep in mind though, they wanted the job. They volunteered, ran for office, and won.

Things went sideways. Now they offer excuses and BS why they can't do what they are required to do. What they are paid to do.

America needs an Enema from these people.

Posted by: Common Tater at June 28, 2020 09:40 PM (/OEmT)

495 Despite the flaws of the pistol, it was a good day at the range.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 28, 2020 09:37 PM (d1uFV)
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I'd say that's not flawed, at all.

Reliable and can put rounds on target? Covers the basics.

The rest is the difference between a Bel Air and an Impala.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at June 28, 2020 09:41 PM (WEBkv)

496 Thanks! I'm finally getting all of the different microphones sorted out and mostly using the right ones at the right times!
Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 09:39 PM (MVjcR)
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Seriously, Weasel, you've a fine narrators voice. Me? Well, "a voice made for mime" is an accurate description.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at June 28, 2020 09:42 PM (WEBkv)

497 well, what brands of ammo would be reliable for a hypothetical .380 glock 42 or a hypothetical springfield xdm 45
Posted by: vmom 2020 - anti Brutal Looting Marxists at June 28, 2020 09:23 PM (WwTwF)

I like Fiocci, Sellier and Belliot (sp?) and Privi Partisan for brands. All have treated me well.

PMC is also good. CCI is good.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 28, 2020 09:42 PM (d1uFV)

498 Weasel,
Before the ONT comes along, thanks for another excellent gun thread. This one has even more helpful info than usual.

Best to Weasel Woman and the pups.

Posted by: JTB at June 28, 2020 09:42 PM (7EjX1)

499 I'm fine with the good-natured ribbing that goes on
here but this is potentially a life-and-death decision. Don't let
someone else's personal bugaboos restrict your choices for no good
reason. The reason that there are so many Glock owners is that they're
affordable, functional, and dead nuts reliable.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 28, 2020 09:35 PM (qc+VF)

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Yes, too many Glock owners.

A plague upon the land. And now another one! Can it be borne???

As always, go with what suits you.

Just be advised, I have a friend who carries a Glock and he is on the brink of seeking psychological counseling from his self-loathing.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 28, 2020 09:43 PM (cfSRQ)

500 I've carried appendix inside the pants since I got my CHL 26 years ago.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 28, 2020 09:43 PM (2DOZq)

501 Reliable and can put rounds on target? Covers the basics.

The rest is the difference between a Bel Air and an Impala.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at June 28, 2020 09:41 PM (WEBkv)

yah, the M&P Compact 1.0 is an Impala. Fits in a fanny pack, too.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 28, 2020 09:43 PM (d1uFV)

502 Posted by: Agitator at June 28, 2020 09:40 PM (y/e6R)
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Thanks and goodnight!

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 09:43 PM (MVjcR)

503 ok, outta here. Life is good.

Posted by: RI Red at June 28, 2020 09:44 PM (5qvy2)

504 Duncanthrax @ 488- That right there is funny. I figure Glocks are like Pokemon (confession-I don't know Pokemon from shinola) but I do know Glocks. And I say collect them all, they're fun and they work. And I bid you all adios until the early hours. Great job as usual, Weasel!

Posted by: Eromero at June 28, 2020 09:44 PM (XhWtx)

505 As always Weasel, thank you for the gun threads.

Mrs VIA looks forward to them as well.

Specially anything with Weasel Dog.

( Any thoughts on my earlier question concerning the Firefly .22LR for practice?)

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 28, 2020 09:44 PM (3D/fK)

506 Are we back to the good ol' days of the 500+ comment gun thread? Y'all have been uncharacteristically reserved lately.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 28, 2020 09:44 PM (qc+VF)

507
Posted by: JTB at June 28, 2020 09:42 PM (7EjX1)
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Thanks, JTB. Always a pleasure to have you here!

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 09:44 PM (MVjcR)

508
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at June 28, 2020 09:42 PM (WEBkv)
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Thanks pal.

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 09:45 PM (MVjcR)

509 Never get the Glock hate - reliable, solid weapon that any novice can actually take care of as well.

Posted by: Heart of Darkness at June 28, 2020 09:45 PM (nFRLh)

510 Blake might be interested in the video posted by Forgotten Weapons just yesterday, about the 1911 & M1: https://youtu.be/QSOUmHito4M

Posted by: Average Guy at June 28, 2020 09:45 PM (b2diN)

511 501 Reliable and can put rounds on target? Covers the basics.

The rest is the difference between a Bel Air and an Impala.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at June 28, 2020 09:41 PM (WEBkv)

yah, the M&P Compact 1.0 is an Impala. Fits in a fanny pack, too.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 28, 2020 09:43 PM (d1uFV)

Wearing a fanny pack is WAY more embarrassing than carrying an M&P Compact 1.0.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 28, 2020 09:45 PM (swdNU)

512 If I'm not mistaken, Texas Law Shield does the same for $10 a month (TX only of course).

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 28, 2020 09:39 PM (ejsiI)

USLawShield costs less annually than having your personal lawyer make bail. They provide a 24 on call lawyer, videos, one on one conversations and for $30 annual you get bail and a professional witness.
They work for you.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 28, 2020 09:45 PM (Okeht)

513 425 Luckily the law in Texas allows you to use deadly force to protect your property.
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 28, 2020 09:14 PM (2DOZq)

And in TX if you use your weapon on someone committing arson (someone with a Molotov cocktail would qualify, I am sure), it's considered an affirmative defense under the law.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 28, 2020 09:45 PM (ejsiI)

514 Posted by: RI Red at June 28, 2020 09:40 PM (5qvy2)
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Even with a Sig?

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 09:47 PM (MVjcR)

515 Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 28, 2020 09:44 PM (3D/fK)
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Thanks and howdy to the missus. I'll have to go back and re-read the comments...

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 09:48 PM (MVjcR)

516
thanks, Weasel

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 28, 2020 09:49 PM (y60eS)

517 If you get sucker punched...I'm not going to lie, things are already starting out bad. Cover your head, get to your feet and put your back against something. Then draw your sidearm and save your skin.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 28, 2020 09:39 PM (d1uFV)

Those blind assaults are the scariest things.
A kick in the head and then four on top.
Where are the prep videos for that?

Posted by: Braenyard at June 28, 2020 09:49 PM (Okeht)

518 Just be advised, I have a friend who carries a Glock and he is on the brink of seeking psychological counseling from his self-loathing.

I hope some day you'll tell us the story of how you were traumatized by Tupperware as a small child. Hell, I'll even by a book if it includes the story.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 28, 2020 09:49 PM (qc+VF)

519 Posted by: RI Red at June 28, 2020 09:44 PM (5qvy2)
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'Night, pal!

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 09:49 PM (MVjcR)

520 Well, considering I have a Glock 32 in .357 Sig, I'll give you a pass, Weasel.
When I have more cash and am not so focused on long range, I might even try a Sig platform. I'm flexible.

Posted by: RI Red at June 28, 2020 09:50 PM (5qvy2)

521 506 Are we back to the good ol' days of the 500+ comment gun thread? Y'all have been uncharacteristically reserved lately.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 28, 2020 09:44 PM (qc+VF)
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WD and WDv2; really draw a crowd!

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 09:51 PM (MVjcR)

522 517 If you get sucker punched...I'm not going to lie, things are already starting out bad. Cover your head, get to your feet and put your back against something. Then draw your sidearm and save your skin.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 28, 2020 09:39 PM (d1uFV)

Those blind assaults are the scariest things.
A kick in the head and then four on top.
Where are the prep videos for that?
Posted by: Braenyard at June 28, 2020 09:49 PM (Okeht)

Not much you can do but apply situational awareness and try to avoid roving groups of diverse restive yoots.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 28, 2020 09:51 PM (swdNU)

523 Good night, y'all! Weasel, thanks as always.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 28, 2020 09:51 PM (ejsiI)

524
thanks, Weasel
Posted by: AltonJackson at June 28, 2020 09:49 PM (y60eS)
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Hi AltonJackson! My pleasure!

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 09:52 PM (MVjcR)

525 473 453, blake, you are a wise man.

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I concur. It is not in my job description (retired) to sweep the streets of bad guys The point was made earlier that the bugout bag is for police mandated evacuation, like pipeline break. Going to stick with the home front.

Posted by: FloridaMan at June 28, 2020 09:52 PM (r28kI)

526
Not much you can do but apply situational awareness and try to avoid roving groups of diverse restive yoots.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 28, 2020 09:51 PM (swdNU)

I've been watching too many of those twitter assaults.
Spooky.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 28, 2020 09:53 PM (Okeht)

527 511 501 Reliable and can put rounds on target? Covers the basics.

The rest is the difference between a Bel Air and an Impala.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at June 28, 2020 09:41 PM (WEBkv)

yah, the M&P Compact 1.0 is an Impala. Fits in a fanny pack, too.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 28, 2020 09:43 PM (d1uFV)

Wearing a fanny pack is WAY more embarrassing than carrying an M&P Compact 1.0.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 28, 2020 09:45 PM (swdNU)

I know, I know. But if it's shorts weather, I want more carry options that what I can put in shorts pockets.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 28, 2020 09:53 PM (d1uFV)

528 Regarding sucker punches; your left arm is your blocking arm because most punches will be thrown by right handlers and are wild hay makers coming at the left side of your head. Keep your left up blocking and step back drawing with your right. Don't stand in one place, keep moving in a fight and don't let yourself tunnel vision.

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade a fucking ray of sunshine at June 28, 2020 09:53 PM (bML9A)

529 Oh, very late. Nice afternoon by the ocean/harbor and some good fish tacos. Gun-wise, I did see a small sign explaining a bit about the old coastal artillery installation I'd never seen before (the sign, that is). But 16-in is not a caliber we work with much here (sadly).

Love that set-up by Neon Madman. I'm good with using the little hand-held thing (forget the brand) for primer pocket cleaning (I only do it on 30-06 brass). But that wheel looks nice. Will probably go to Weasel's idea of powered screwdriver if I never need to go that direction.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 28, 2020 09:53 PM (El6T/)

530 Those blind assaults are the scariest things.
A kick in the head and then four on top.
Where are the prep videos for that?
Posted by: Braenyard at June 28, 2020 09:49 PM (Okeht)

There are none, and for good reason: You're not John Wick.

The video's that cover situational awareness are many though, and it behooves you to either not walk into a deadly situation, or at least know it's coming your way. The seconds before an encounter turns violent are the most vital of your life, potentially.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 28, 2020 09:53 PM (z79tQ)

531 Evening.

Lookin' good there, Weasel!

What was with the breakdancing black guy in the corner of the video?

Posted by: Robert at June 28, 2020 09:54 PM (q8Ta7)

532 Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 28, 2020 09:51 PM (ejsiI)
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Happy to do it. Goodnight!

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 09:54 PM (MVjcR)

533 Those blind assaults are the scariest things.
A kick in the head and then four on top.
Where are the prep videos for that?
Posted by: Braenyard at June 28, 2020 09:49 PM (Okeht)

there's the age-old strategy of safety in numbers - try and be in a group or at least with a companion

Posted by: vmom 2020 - anti Brutal Looting Marxists at June 28, 2020 09:54 PM (WwTwF)

534 Been lurking.
Nice thread, Weasel, as always.

Thank
You

Posted by: Nurse ratched at June 28, 2020 09:54 PM (rv8eO)

535 And thanks Weasel! Will skim the thread, but out of time for much real commentin'.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 28, 2020 09:55 PM (El6T/)

536 Any my $.02 on Rugers...they are reliable and inexpensive. Some automatic models have frankly bad triggers, try before you buy.

Their MK IV .22 are very fine and easy to find, unlike some better .22's, which can be tricky to locate. The Ruger 10/22 belongs in every home in America.

Nothing too wrong with them that training won't fix...for most models.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 28, 2020 09:55 PM (d1uFV)

537 I know people hate Hi Point but you can get a pistol and carbine for under $550 . I have quality firearms but I like having a number of disposable guns too. Actually the planet of the apes carbine is fun to shoot and you can beat it up and it keeps working.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 28, 2020 09:57 PM (2DOZq)

538 Never get the Glock hate - reliable, solid weapon that any novice can actually take care of as well.
Posted by: Heart of Darkness at June 28, 2020 09:45 PM (nFRLh)
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Yep.

As much as I love the 1911, it is a weapon that requires being looked after.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at June 28, 2020 09:57 PM (WEBkv)

539 Posted by: Nurse ratched at June 28, 2020 09:54 PM (rv8eO)
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Howdy nurse!

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 09:57 PM (MVjcR)

540 Shouldn't a homeowners umbrella policy cover legal fees?

For lawful self-defense I mean. At home, or elsewhere.

I'm not arguing it does, only that it should.

Posted by: Common Tater at June 28, 2020 09:57 PM (/OEmT)

541 Should've watched the video before posting... that was the M1 Carbine in the FW video...

Posted by: Average Guy at June 28, 2020 09:58 PM (b2diN)

542
What was with the breakdancing black guy in the corner of the video?
Posted by: Robert at June 28, 2020 09:54 PM (q8Ta7)
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You mean the Mandela funeral sign language guy? He's being helpful!

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 09:58 PM (MVjcR)

543 I don't get the Glock hate either.

Why not just agree to disagree

Posted by: Nurse ratched at June 28, 2020 09:58 PM (rv8eO)

544 As much as I love the 1911, it is a weapon that requires being looked after.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at June 28, 2020 09:57 PM (WEBkv)

The disassembly - and even moreso the reassembly - of the 1911 is kind of a pain in the ass.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 28, 2020 09:59 PM (swdNU)

545 535 And thanks Weasel! Will skim the thread, but out of time for much real commentin'.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 28, 2020 09:55 PM (El6T/)
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Hey man, good to see you.

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 09:59 PM (MVjcR)

546 The disassembly - and even moreso the reassembly - of the 1911 is kind of a pain in the ass.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 28, 2020 09:59 PM (swdNU)

Nah! It's a piece of cake!

Posted by: The tell-tale idiot scratch at June 28, 2020 10:00 PM (z79tQ)

547 Posted by: Average Guy at June 28, 2020 09:45 PM (b2diN)
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That video was great. Thank you for sharing.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at June 28, 2020 10:00 PM (WEBkv)

548 JFC the white power thing. Ugh Trump knows how to score own goals better than anyone else. Come on DJT this is fucking amateur hour.

Posted by: Hotgas VIP Member at June 28, 2020 10:00 PM (m1H25)

549 Sorry I missed the fare-the-wells, granddaughter woke up and I had to help her back to sleep.

Thanks again, Weasel!

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 28, 2020 10:01 PM (cfSRQ)

550 What was with the breakdancing black guy in the corner of the video?
Posted by: Robert at June 28, 2020 09:54 PM (q8Ta7)
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You mean the Mandela funeral sign language guy? He's being helpful!
Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 09:58 PM (MVjcR)

I laughed like a retard when I saw that!

Weasel, you're good people.

And I love your little goggies.

Posted by: Pug Mahon thinks it's a vacuum at June 28, 2020 10:01 PM (x8Wzq)

551 In Texas, you can use deadly force to
1. Stop the commission of a felony, and yes arson is a felony. DA didn't prosecute a father who shot someone raping his daughter.

2. Against criminal mischief after dark
3. To protect your life, or the life of another

Posted by: An Observation at June 28, 2020 10:01 PM (TPKib)

552 Now... the question: anyone take any to California since their BS new laws have passed?
Asking for a friend of course.
Posted by: AZ deplorably isolated at June 28, 2020 08:37 PM (gtatv)

I have some 'disposable' guns that I take on road trips to CA. Guns I can replace or won't miss if the CA cops confiscate it.

I won't take my favorites or guns I would have to struggle to replace, but a Canik TP 9? Sure. Taurus 709? Sure.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 28, 2020 10:02 PM (d1uFV)

553 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 28, 2020 10:01 PM (cfSRQ)
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My pleasure, AHL. Thanks for being here every week!

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 10:02 PM (MVjcR)

554 544 As much as I love the 1911, it is a weapon that requires being looked after.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at June 28, 2020 09:57 PM (WEBkv)

The disassembly - and even moreso the reassembly - of the 1911 is kind of a pain in the ass.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 28, 2020 09:59 PM (swdNU)

You are both correct.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 28, 2020 10:02 PM (d1uFV)

555 Regarding sucker punches;
Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade a fucking ray of sunshine at June 28, 2020 09:53 PM (bML9A)

I saw a video of a fat, gray haired old man, could barely walk -- he was sucker punched from behind in a grocery store aisle. Then punched repeatedly on the ground.
Scary.

Posted by: FloridaMan at June 28, 2020 10:03 PM (r28kI)

556 You mean the Mandela funeral sign language guy? He's being helpful!
Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 09:58 PM (MVjcR)

Oh.

Is that what they mean when they talk about Mandela Effects? Am I going to rewatch this video and swear you were wearing a blue doorag?

Posted by: Robert at June 28, 2020 10:03 PM (q8Ta7)

557 One geezer saying stupid shit at a rally the president refers to isn't him supporting white supremacy. Didja ever here the phrase "there's one in every crowd?"

But the press can make shit look like shinola. Seems you fell for it.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 28, 2020 10:03 PM (z79tQ)

558 Hotgas VIP Member, your concern is

[X] Noted

[ ] Not Noted

Posted by: An Observation at June 28, 2020 10:04 PM (TPKib)

559 Well, I'm out.

Later all!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at June 28, 2020 10:05 PM (WEBkv)

560 Has anyone noticed that there's an ONT up?

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 28, 2020 10:06 PM (qc+VF)

561
Posted by: Pug Mahon thinks it's a vacuum at June 28, 2020 10:01 PM (x8Wzq)
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Thanks! Glad you got a laugh out of it!

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 10:06 PM (MVjcR)

562 G'night all. Gotta walk the dogs.

Thanks for all the carry information!

Posted by: FloridaMan at June 28, 2020 10:06 PM (r28kI)

563 More content to skim or ignore?

Posted by: Robert at June 28, 2020 10:06 PM (q8Ta7)

564 560 Has anyone noticed that there's an ONT up?
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 28, 2020 10:06 PM (qc+VF)

life is better here

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 28, 2020 10:06 PM (d1uFV)

565 558

Spare me. If you cant see what a stupid fucking thing that was to do, then thats on your not me.

Posted by: Hotgas VIP Member at June 28, 2020 10:07 PM (m1H25)

566 I used to have an M1A. Forced to sell it during the 2008 recession. Man I loved shooting that thing.

Posted by: Clontarf at June 28, 2020 10:07 PM (X1xq4)

567 OK! ONT is up! Thanks all, and have a great week!

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 10:08 PM (MVjcR)

568 Probably way-willowed as usual, but bought a 9mm Walther Creed and a .22LR GSG STG44 from CDNN last week based upon recommendations from the gun thread. Just bought 1000+ rounds ammunition for each from Weasel's ammo recommendation. I have a 12 guage and a .30-06 previously, but this is my first venture into home defense and plinking. My FFL has an indoor range here in Houston, and my wife and I will begin to get comfortable with both. Thank you Weasel for convincing us it's time!!

Posted by: jayhawkone at June 28, 2020 10:08 PM (ZD+J8)

569 here's an ont every night ... but only one gun thread !

thanks as always, weasel !

and your little dog(s), too !

Posted by: the_sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at June 28, 2020 10:09 PM (0IMgo)

570 Damn fine video Weasel. Absolutely right, if it doesn't feel right, take a breather. I've kicked myself many times on seeing a solid shot group, get ahead of myself and throw off what would have been a great grouping. Then that filters into the next table and making you feel you just wasted a bunch of ammo.

Posted by: Sua Sponte at June 28, 2020 10:09 PM (cdNcj)

571 Posted by: jayhawkone at June 28, 2020 10:08 PM (ZD+J

Good choice. The Walther Creed is one of the best 'cheap' pistols out right now.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 28, 2020 10:10 PM (d1uFV)

572
Posted by: the_sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at June 28, 2020 10:09 PM (0IMgo)
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Thanks, sock rat!

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 10:10 PM (MVjcR)

573 I used to have an M1A. Forced to sell it during the 2008 recession.

I feel for ya. I had to sell an M1 during the dot-com bust extended unemployment. Took a heck of a haircut on it too.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 28, 2020 10:10 PM (qc+VF)

574 Nurse, its not hate, its a joke. Kind of like "Glock? Isn't that Austrian for Hi-Point?"

Posted by: An Observation at June 28, 2020 10:10 PM (TPKib)

575 Posted by: Sua Sponte at June 28, 2020 10:09 PM (cdNcj)
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Ha! Yep. I guess we have one of those periodically to stay focused!

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 10:11 PM (MVjcR)

576 Great thread Weasel.

Posted by: Ronster at June 28, 2020 10:19 PM (zR8oF)

577 Posted by: Ronster at June 28, 2020 10:19 PM (zR8oF)
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Thanks Ronster!

Posted by: Weasel at June 28, 2020 10:30 PM (MVjcR)

578 Pelosi is right, of course.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at June 29, 2020 12:55 AM (ykYG2)

579 If your vision is faltering, like mine was, glaucoma. Consider laser correction, my left eye was corrected to better than 20/20 and was the easiest alteration to my body i have ever had, and i have very sensitive eyes. REALLY CONSIDER IT !

Posted by: ron n. at June 29, 2020 03:56 AM (om5HK)

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