The Glories Of A Post-Modern Society...Feel-Good Projects That Are Divorced From The Cold Reality Of Physics And Engineering And Actual Data

I'll bet most of us have driven through areas of this country that are dotted with wind turbines. You know...the bird-killing fantasies of every lunatic Green and soft Liberal whose brains simply can't fathom that facts trump feelings.

And I'll bet you noticed that lots of them weren't spinning; either there wasn't enough wind or they were broken, which is an all-too-frequent occurrence nowadays. Now just imagine the complexities of putting them out in the open ocean!

Virginia's latest folly -- offshore wind power

[...]Virginia’s green electric power plan calls for 5,000 MW of offshore wind generating capacity to be built in the next decade or so. This is a huge amount given that the worldwide total is just around 15,000 MW. We are talking about something like 800 giant windmills, embedded in the ocean floor and sticking hundreds of feet into the air above the water. They will be on the order of one and a half times taller than the Washington Monument, which is really tall. Let's look at too little wind first.

Wow...that's a lot of large equipment, miles from maintenance, exposed to some truly nasty weather, as anyone who has ever sailed on the Atlantic can confirm. At least salt water isn't bad for machinery...right?

But here is a new twist that hadn't even occurred to me. Obviously the wind doesn't blow all of the time, but imagine a week-long blackout in the heat of the summer! I wonder if it gets hot in Virginia during the summer?

Week long periods of no generation low wind occur fairly often in the Norfolk area, perhaps once every few years. In a hot summer they may occur more than once. But there are also many shorter periods of low wind, with a high need for electricity, that occur more frequently. Then too there are no doubt longer periods of low wind that occur less frequently. At the one in fifty year frequency we might get a month or more of low wind. I see no evidence that these possibilities have been addressed in the Virginia plan.

And there's more! Apparently no wind isn't the only thing that happens in the Atlantic.

Category five hurricanes have sustained winds over 156 mph with gusts that can exceed 200 mph. To date no offshore wind towers have been designed to withstand these sorts of winds. Most have been built in Europe where hurricanes do not occur. The force of the wind is a function of the square of the wind speed, so a 160 mph wind is four times as destructive as an 80 mph wind.

So let's get this straight...There are long periods of no wind, which would mean long blackouts. There are also significant threats of such high winds that it is problematic that sufficiently robust designs can be created (per the DoE study in the article).

I'll say it for the 18th time: America needs a crash program of standardized nuclear reactor design and building, along with three or four nuclear operator training facilities (jobs!). 200 reactors distributed across the country. And for every reactor that is retired we build 1.1 reactors. We will become energy independent and have excess fossil fuel to sell on the world markets, whether for the bottom line or for geopolitical considerations. We would also have the delectable bonus of decreasing our carbon footprint (about which I care less than nothing) and we can shove that in Europe's smug, sweaty faces (they don't air condition much during the summer...yuck!).

But destroying the natural beauty of great swaths of America while simultaneously reducing the standard of living of many Americans so that elitist asses in NY and DC and San Francisco can preen and crow and brag about how green they are while flying around in their private jets is simply a non starter.

Posted by: CBD at 12:15 PM

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1 I'm tired of my state being in the news.

Posted by: bluebell at June 21, 2020 12:15 PM (/669Q)

2 first

Posted by: BifFewalski at June 21, 2020 12:16 PM (VcFUs)

3 oh well. that's what I get for clearing cookies and having to enter my NIC and e-mail.

I'll fetch the otters.

Posted by: BifFewalski at June 21, 2020 12:17 PM (VcFUs)

4 I've seen a few of those turbines and rarely are they spinning. Like almost never.

Posted by: bluebell at June 21, 2020 12:17 PM (/669Q)

5 Bluebell, I feel ya.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Florida Man at June 21, 2020 12:17 PM (lW69B)

6 Joe Biden

Posted by: Deadpool 2020 at June 21, 2020 12:18 PM (CLteG)

7 Taqiy, at least you have a good governor.

Posted by: bluebell at June 21, 2020 12:18 PM (/669Q)

8 Category five hurricanes have sustained winds over 156 mph with gusts that can exceed 200 mph. To date no offshore wind towers have been designed to withstand these sorts of winds.

*******

The irony of wind towers being unable to harness all that wind power.

There's something poetically leftist about all that.

Posted by: Two Weeks From Ending My Fast Before I Kill Everyone at June 21, 2020 12:19 PM (+dsLj)

9 Recall they wanted to put offshore wind turbines off the coast of MA. Nice deep blue State. Should have been easy. Kennedies killed it bcause "view".

Posted by: Vic at June 21, 2020 12:19 PM (mpXpK)

10 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at June 21, 2020 12:20 PM (Zz0t1)

11 I called the others.

Posted by: BifFewalski at June 21, 2020 12:20 PM (VcFUs)

12 Bluebell, true. We dodged a bullet. Coulda been Gillum.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Florida Man at June 21, 2020 12:21 PM (lW69B)

13 I'm sorry the the NOVA Morons, but VA deserves what they voted in good and hard.

Posted by: BifFewalski at June 21, 2020 12:21 PM (VcFUs)

14 Ok. Top 20.

Posted by: JC. Idaho bot. at June 21, 2020 12:21 PM (377Zs)

15 I don't give a damn about birds.

Posted by: Chris M at June 21, 2020 12:21 PM (6XZdO)

16 Feel-Good Projects That Are Divorced From The Cold Reality OF Physics And Engineering And Actual Data

Reminds me of what Thomas Sowell said, We're replacing what works with what sounds good.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 21, 2020 12:21 PM (cUUNR)

17 I've seen a few of those turbines and rarely are they spinning. Like almost never.

You clearly don't understand physics. The unicorns need time to eat.

Posted by: pep at June 21, 2020 12:22 PM (v16oJ)

18 Nuclear Engineer here... the last few years I have been fascinated by the drive towards Small Modular Reactors (SMR). Prefab units that can be delivered on a truck and sunk partially in the ground. ~50MW generated per unit, so they can deliver to remote areas that require less capacity than the current crop of HUGE reactors. They can also be daisy-chained if you need more output. Incredible stuff; let the California's and Virginia's go green; I would love to see SMRs deployed where people actually have foresight and a brain.

Posted by: hindmost at June 21, 2020 12:22 PM (WXeEx)

Posted by: BifBewalski - Sinis Est Culus at June 21, 2020 12:22 PM (VcFUs)

20 The answer is easy.

Solar.

Just mount enough solar panels on your house to run, oh, your A/C unit, then have the batteries and capacity to keep it going DURING THE NIGHT, when wind is usually a LOT more calm.

PROFIT!

Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at June 21, 2020 12:22 PM (Zz0t1)

21 19
Posted by: BifBewalski - Sinis Est Culus at June 21, 2020 12:22 PM (VcFUs)

You don't say.

Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at June 21, 2020 12:22 PM (Zz0t1)

22 Lived on or near the Gulf since 2012.

Every morning around daylight the onshore/offshore winds tend to stabilize as the is very little heating differentials. Same thing happens in the evening. In most houses not much happens in the AM. I mean it not like the kids need lights to get up and dress. And kaboom for breakfast was damn good enough for me. And mom doesnt need to shower every damn day to get sit in the office with 7 other lawyers.

And same for evening. Not much energy needed then either.

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 21, 2020 12:22 PM (JFO2v)

23 Funny thing......one of hickenpoopers campaign ads actually brags about him closing coal plants and installing wind and solar

Posted by: westminsterdogshow at June 21, 2020 12:23 PM (/UQ/R)

24 How about Thorium reactors?

Posted by: Chris M at June 21, 2020 12:24 PM (6XZdO)

25 You don't say.

Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe!

Yes. Yes they is.

Posted by: BifBewalski - Sinis Est Culus at June 21, 2020 12:25 PM (VcFUs)

26 Those wind turbines do a heck of a good job of decapitating birds

Posted by: It's me donna at June 21, 2020 12:25 PM (Zmnko)

27 hiya

Posted by: JT at June 21, 2020 12:25 PM (arJlL)

28 So let's get this straight...There are long periods of no wind, which would mean long blackouts. There are also significant threats of such high winds that it is problematic that sufficiently robust designs can be created (per the DoE study in the article).

Hmmm. No Problem, we'll build twice as many!!

Posted by: Bruce at June 21, 2020 12:25 PM (vd8XM)

29 https://bit.ly/3fLgjMA
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Tuna Finger Biden is forming a Transition team

Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at June 21, 2020 12:25 PM (Fju2f)

30 29 https://bit.ly/3fLgjMA
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Tuna Finger Biden is forming a Transition team
Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at June 21, 2020 12:25 PM (Fju2f)

LOl... He believes the "polls"

Posted by: It's me donna at June 21, 2020 12:25 PM (Zmnko)

31 29 https://bit.ly/3fLgjMA
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Tuna Finger Biden is forming a Transition team
Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at June 21, 2020 12:25 PM (Fju2f)

Will they be responsible for changing his drool cup?

Posted by: Northernlurker at June 21, 2020 12:26 PM (Uu+Jp)

32 Merging this and the book thread . . as I read Midnight in Chernobyl,all I can say is "Do not use any Russian reactor design ever ever ever."

Posted by: 2009Refugee at June 21, 2020 12:26 PM (8AONa)

33 My only issue with nuclear is it means HEAVY government involvement for national security reasons. And a nuclear plant is way more expensive to build.

But if you buy into the CO2 hysteria (which I don't) it would far and away be the best. If environmentalists really believed in it, it would be their #1 priority to build nuclear.

Natural gas is cheap to build and produce, clean, abundant, creates jobs and doesn't scare people or create as much bureaucracy to run.

Posted by: Blago at June 21, 2020 12:26 PM (gkdnV)

34 Honest question: to what degree is Senile Pervert Joe actually involved in making decisions regarding his campaign?

Posted by: Northernlurker at June 21, 2020 12:27 PM (Uu+Jp)

35
LOl... He believes the "polls"
Posted by: It's me donna at June 21, 2020 12:25 PM (Zmnko)

Polls are for strippers.

Speaking of which, Crowder had a video where a black woman was basically stage dancing with no bottoms on in front of police in a form of protest and finished, after twerking and rubbing herself off, to kiss her "black ass."

This proves, what, exactly?

Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at June 21, 2020 12:27 PM (Zz0t1)

36 Feel-Good Projects That Are Divorced From The Cold Reality OF Physics And Engineering And Actual Data

Reminds me of what Thomas Sowell said, We're replacing what works with what sounds good.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 21, 2020 12:21 PM (cUUNR)

Suspend ALL the laws.

Posted by: BignJames at June 21, 2020 12:27 PM (X/Pw5)

37 26 Those wind turbines do a heck of a good job of decapitating birds

Posted by: It's me donna
They also play merry hell with surface (less than 2 degree elevation) long range radar search beams.

Posted by: BifBewalski - Sinis Est Culus at June 21, 2020 12:28 PM (VcFUs)

38 Our local AM radio guy had some wonk a few days ago who was touting Oregon's push for solar and wind. When the host started using numbers, like how much we were going to lose with every coal plant shutdown vs. how much we were going to gain with solar / wind, you could hear the gears grinding in the guest's head. His answer on how we were going to make up the deficit came down to, well, we should all install little thingies on our water heaters that increase efficiency so we save electricity.

These people are trying to crash our grid.

Posted by: PabloD at June 21, 2020 12:28 PM (r/iuN)

39 Tuna Finger Biden is forming a Transition team

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- Forming a transition team early

- Hiding out from the public to ride the campaign out

- Confidence the election is easily in the bag

Where have I seen this movie before?

Posted by: Two Weeks From Ending My Fast Before I Kill Everyone at June 21, 2020 12:28 PM (+dsLj)

40 There is a new low power nuke that can easily be chained together for more power and easy to start/stop for on demand. I think PDT awarded a bunch of money to build a few of the prototypes.

And the great thing about this is think of the sailors that know how to work in and around nukes.

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 21, 2020 12:28 PM (JFO2v)

41 We have a simple solution to all of your concerns: we will double the size of our promises!

Posted by: Virgina Is For Deep State Lovers at June 21, 2020 12:28 PM (OFJlJ)

42 Some pols pay off their benefactors by going supine for China. Some pay them off by building obsolete weapons systems. Some create fake pandemics to pay off vaccine producers.

Wind turbines... just more taxpayer funded graft. Windy, turbine power graft.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 21, 2020 12:28 PM (hku12)

43 Wow...that's a lot of large equipment, miles from maintenance, exposed to some truly nasty weather, as anyone who has ever sailed on the Atlantic can confirm. At least salt water isn't bad for machinery...right?

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But look at the bright side, The Abyss sequels

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at June 21, 2020 12:29 PM (+y/Ru)

44 Sometimes the wind doesn't blow. Sometimes, the sun doesn't shine. Why can't some people figure this out?

Because they don't want to. The idea of free energy from the sky is simply irresistible.

"It HAS to work. I WANT it to work. It DOES work!"

Posted by: DB- just DB at June 21, 2020 12:29 PM (iTXRQ)

45 Speaking of which, Crowder had a video where a black woman was basically stage dancing with no bottoms on in front of police in a form of protest and finished, after twerking and rubbing herself off, to kiss her "black ass."

This proves, what, exactly?
Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at June 21, 2020 12:27 PM (Zz0t1)

People are stupid!

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 21, 2020 12:29 PM (JFO2v)

46 His answer on how we were going to make up the deficit came down to, well, we should all install little thingies on our water heaters that increase efficiency so we save electricity.

And put a brick in your toilet tank, so it takes 14 flushes to get rid of a brown floater

Posted by: Bruce at June 21, 2020 12:29 PM (vd8XM)

47 Wind power always sucks in city builder games. They get that part right.

Posted by: banana Dream at June 21, 2020 12:29 PM (l6b3d)

48 39 Tuna Finger Biden is forming a Transition team

******************

- Forming a transition team early

- Hiding out from the public to ride the campaign out

- Confidence the election is easily in the bag

Where have I seen this movie before?
Posted by: Two Weeks From Ending My Fast Before I Kill Everyone at June 21, 2020 12:28 PM (+dsLj)

Wonder if he's purchased his fireworks yet? I know where he can get a good deal

Posted by: It's me donna at June 21, 2020 12:29 PM (Zmnko)

49 We have a simple solution to all of your concerns: we will double the size of our promises!
Posted by: Virgina Is For Deep State Lovers at June 21, 2020 12:28 PM (OFJlJ)

This being 2020, Virginia should consider painting them some color other than white.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 21, 2020 12:30 PM (hku12)

50
People are stupid!
Posted by: rhennigantx at June 21, 2020 12:29 PM (JFO2v)

Outside of this, I find no other answer to the question.

You, sir, win a cigar!

Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at June 21, 2020 12:30 PM (Zz0t1)

51 I've seen a few of those turbines and rarely are they spinning. Like almost never.

Yeah, but they have such great potential

Posted by: Nobel Science Prize Committee at June 21, 2020 12:30 PM (OFJlJ)

52 Black Lies Matter!!!

Posted by: lin-duh en fugue at June 21, 2020 12:30 PM (UUBmN)

53
Wonder if he's purchased his fireworks yet? I know where he can get a good deal
Posted by: It's me donna at June 21, 2020 12:29 PM (Zmnko)

I hear the Owebama pillars are still available.

Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at June 21, 2020 12:30 PM (Zz0t1)

54 Feel-Good Projects That Are Divorced From The Cold Reality OF Physics And Engineering And Actual Data
This is patriarchal cis-het thinking that does not account for the intersectionality of the self-realities of POCs and womyn!

Posted by: Bert G, new podisode at June 21, 2020 12:30 PM (OMsf+)

55 Natural gas is cheap to build and produce, clean,
abundant, creates jobs and doesn't scare people or create as much
bureaucracy to run.

Posted by: Blago at June 21, 2020 12:26 PM (gkdnV)

Absolutely. But we need more than one source of power, and it is hard to argue rationally against nuclear. It is also fairly dense...the amount of power is amazing from a relatively small footprint.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 21, 2020 12:30 PM (dLLD6)

56 Virginia did NOT vote these corksoakers in!
First, the feckless good-old-boy GOP here failed to run any candidate at all in one-third of the Assembly races ... and the damned Dems still have a razor-thin majority.
Second, the votes from NoVA were inflated by bussed-in illegals and just plain miscounting by the partisan officials there.
Third ... well, this doesn't affect the election per se, but the Dems are rapidly changing the rules to eliminate voter ID, allow same-day registration and mail-in voting, etc. to ensure, as they have in several other states, that they never lose another election here!
Thank God Northam came out in favor of infanticide and gun-grabbing; the Red part of the state was sick of him even before COVID and BLM. Their majority, even will all the shenanigans, is still reversible ... now to get our useless Republican Party to wake up! Maybe Trump can help.

Posted by: Steven G. Johnson at June 21, 2020 12:31 PM (t7nXK)

57 Without small scale nuclear reactors as part of the energy matrix mix, the demo-commies are not serious about "green" energy.

Also, IIRC, those windmill blades are very nasty to dispose of.. and they wear out relatively quickly.

This like all communist plans is about power and control and not "green" energy.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at June 21, 2020 12:32 PM (pw+jk)

58 This is patriarchal cis-het thinking that does not account for the intersectionality of the self-realities of POCs and womyn!

It also completely ignores my truth.

Posted by: pep at June 21, 2020 12:32 PM (v16oJ)

59 tired of looking at the ugly m.fs,

Posted by: fireman1 at June 21, 2020 12:32 PM (nAGcF)

60
1 I'm tired of my state being in the news.
Posted by: bluebell at June 21, 2020 12:15 PM (/669Q)
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Naturally, I agree with bluebell.

Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2020 12:33 PM (MVjcR)

61 Look up Toshiba nuclear reactor. They had plans for a small encased reactor that was about the size of a tractor trailer. Basically, you build a vault, lower it in, hook up your electrical lines, close up the vault, turn it on. After 10 years, you shut it off, unhook electrical, lift it out, and drop another in its place. Regulation and red tape killed the project.

Posted by: ERF at June 21, 2020 12:33 PM (NxG7K)

62 Also, IIRC, those windmill blades are very nasty to dispose of.. and they wear out relatively quickly.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at June 21, 2020 12:32 PM (pw+jk)

Aren't they fiberglass...or some composite?

Posted by: BignJames at June 21, 2020 12:34 PM (X/Pw5)

63 Northernlurker, zero point zero.

He's not running for President. The Party is. Probably Jarrett.

When we elect a Democrat President, we're not electing an executive, but a figurehead.

Anyone else but Trump had won, R or D, we'd have elected a Party, a Politburo, a Deep State, to rule. As it was since Bush 43.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Florida Man at June 21, 2020 12:34 PM (lW69B)

64 There are a number of those stupid things in central Washington. I hate every one of them.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 21, 2020 12:34 PM (axyOa)

65 I'm onboard with nuclear, but fusion, not fission..

Posted by: creeper at June 21, 2020 12:34 PM (XxJt1)

66 37
26 Those wind turbines do a heck of a good job of decapitating birds

Posted by: It's me donna
They also play merry hell with surface (less than 2 degree elevation) long range radar search beams.

and you should see the sea of blinking red lights all night long over by mojave.

Posted by: Anachronda at June 21, 2020 12:34 PM (kf5Ci)

67 It also completely ignores my truth.

Posted by: pep at June 21, 2020 12:32 PM

I forgot to add the #ShutdownSTEM hashtag. Yes, that's actually a thing.

Posted by: Bert G, new podisode at June 21, 2020 12:35 PM (OMsf+)

68 I thought the whole idea of "off shore" wind power was that the wind never stops? There are a shit-load of wind turbines in Indiana north of Purdue University, where the wind blows pretty consistently. More than half were not spinning last weekend, even though it was windy. I assumed they just didn't need the power yet, since it was still morning. As the day heats up, and A/C starts turning on, they switch on more of the turbines.

Posted by: Chris M at June 21, 2020 12:35 PM (6XZdO)

69 Aren't they fiberglass...or some composite?

Posted by: BignJames at June 21, 2020 12:34 PM (X/Pw5)

They are, but they need to be quite light and strong because of the length, and that requires some nasty compounds that are difficult to recycle.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 21, 2020 12:35 PM (dLLD6)

70 58 This is patriarchal cis-het thinking that does not account for the intersectionality of the self-realities of POCs and womyn!

It also completely ignores my truth.
Posted by: pep at June 21, 2020 12:32 PM (v16oJ)

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I feel that wind power is the right approach; therefore, it is the right approach.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 21, 2020 12:35 PM (twAZ/)

71 SMRs are being researched and tested just up the road from me at the INL. 600MW on just 35 acres. In the meantime some geniuses are dropping hundreds of wind turbines along the Snake River destroying the landscape and vistas that have existed for millennia. Half of the time they sit idle. Go figure.

Posted by: JC. Idaho bot. at June 21, 2020 12:36 PM (377Zs)

72 Looks cold and windy today, folks, so go ahead and run those air conditioners!

Posted by: Virginia Dept of Energy at June 21, 2020 12:36 PM (1fg6a)

73 I'm onboard with nuclear, but fusion, not fission..

Posted by: creeper at June 21, 2020 12:34 PM (XxJt1)

Cold fusion...#twoweeks.

Posted by: BignJames at June 21, 2020 12:36 PM (X/Pw5)

74 If I'm not mistaken we haven't built a nuclear power plant since Jane Fonda's movie The China Syndrome.

We are such fucking sheep. Baaaah! Baaaah!

Posted by: LGoPs at June 21, 2020 12:37 PM (7k/uO)

75 Posting again to remove the shame from my nic.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist at June 21, 2020 12:37 PM (lW69B)

76 One thing I do remember of my stint in Naval Aviation is the emphasis on corrosion control when we were at sea. Salt water loves them some metals that airplanes are made of, with a good shot of electronics for dessert. A great many man-hours were expended keeping ahead of corrosion of the airframe and replacing electronics that had failed.

I can only imagine what will happen to a wind turbine after only a few weeks at sea.

Posted by: George V at June 21, 2020 12:37 PM (U2Tva)

77 I'm tired of my state being in the news.
Posted by: bluebell

I still chortle with glee when I see yet another story about Seattle. They are reaping what they have seen.
That said, Seattle used to be a fun and interesting place and it is sad it isn't anymore. But there are so many others, so no worries.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 21, 2020 12:37 PM (axyOa)

78 They are, but they need to be quite light and strong because of the length, and that requires some nasty compounds that are difficult to recycle.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 21, 2020 12:35 PM (dLLD6

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Someday all that nasty stuff is going to wind up in some whale's blowhole and then we'll all be sorry.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 21, 2020 12:37 PM (twAZ/)

79 Practically speaking, I wonder why there aren't more turbines in Wyoming? Every time I visit there I feel like I'm one wind gust away from Oz.

Posted by: Two Weeks From Ending My Fast Before I Kill Everyone at June 21, 2020 12:37 PM (+dsLj)

80 Wind turbines:

https://youtu.be/GBLqf3Obpzw

They burn well.

https://youtu.be/j3XxUmJr2-k

Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at June 21, 2020 12:38 PM (Zz0t1)

81 Why can't some people figure this out?

Because they don't want to. The idea of free energy from the sky is simply irresistible.

It's the purpose of gov't schools to turn out voters who can't figure this out.

Posted by: t-bird at June 21, 2020 12:38 PM (1fg6a)

82 To all the fathers in the horde; Happy Father's Day. You are desperately needed to help raise the new school. You ain't gotta be perfect just be a decent man.

Posted by: thathalfrican - Clark Kent with the glasses off at June 21, 2020 12:38 PM (IYHxL)

83 All those "pro-science" Democrats believe in astrology, homeopathy, crystals, and pyramids and Tarot cards.

Posted by: Mr. Trashbag, Shoggoth and Eater Of Toes at June 21, 2020 12:38 PM (T09ml)

84 OAN presidetial debate:

First question to Mr Biden. Sir, this question has multiple parts, so bear with me. First, i am going to name three things, and I want you to repeat them back to me. Horse. Biscuit. Pencil. Can you repeat those three things?

Biden: Well, I don't, What is the question?

Repeat the three items

Horse, was it? Uh, biscuit and uh, i don't know pen, pencil something?

Great we will come back to that in a minute. Can you spell the word "World" backwards?

Huh? World? Backwards? Let me see D- uh, R, Uh, L-O-W?

Perfect. Now, going back to those three objects, can you remember what they were?

I don't know. There was some kinda anima... cow? What malarkey is this?

Don't worry about it. Can you say the alphabet backwards starting with Z?

Z- uh, uh, Y, uh, W. Why are you asking me these questions? Nobody can do this? I was Barack Obamas secretary of War for chrissakes!

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 21, 2020 12:38 PM (dNzKv)

85 This is pretty much what you need to know about wind power. Oh and, how smart horses are:

https://tinyurl.com/RunAwayWindMill

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 21, 2020 12:38 PM (7Fj9P)

86 I used to think wind turbines were beautiful. Now I can't stand them. There are so many huge wind farms they show up on weather radar.

This opinion comes to you from an all-electric home five miles from a hydroelectric dam. Water power rocks!

Posted by: creeper at June 21, 2020 12:38 PM (XxJt1)

87 There is a gargantuan amount of money being creamed off of the top of this gargantuan, expensive project. And you better believe they bought up as many politicians as it will take to RAM it through.

BOHICA.

Posted by: Beverly at June 21, 2020 12:38 PM (sGOSo)

88 I was involved in wave energy. Fascinating tech from an engineering standpoint. And completely unworkable.

Ocean engineering is difficult. Boats at least are designed to move with the waves. Things that resist....

Well, you know the old saying.

Resistance is futile!!!!

Small scale nuke (as the Hindmost said) is the way to go. Even if it is Bill Gates working on it.

Thorium could work, but right now the focus is on getting the nuke industry back in operation (my dean at UCLA killed a lot of PhDs careers when he shut down the program there and forced all the tenured nuclear engineers to go elsewhere).

Once the small nuke field is going you will see thorium come again it will be inevitable.

Posted by: Ocean storms at June 21, 2020 12:38 PM (l2vZg)

89 The country that got nuked twice is not stupidly risk-averse as we are.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 21, 2020 12:39 PM (LxTcq)

90 If I'm not mistaken we haven't built a nuclear power plant since Jane Fonda's movie The China Syndrome.

We are such fucking sheep. Baaaah! Baaaah!
Posted by: LGoPs

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Well it's so totally true don't cha know. Cause Science!

Posted by: Diogenes at June 21, 2020 12:39 PM (axyOa)

91 What will be the power source for a moon colony or a Mars colony? That's what I want us working on. We're going to need it anyway.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Low Glycemic Souls at June 21, 2020 12:39 PM (Wm5SB)

92 Speaking of nukular power, I thought a post 9-11 alternative to invading their countries and throwing money at 'them' would have been to put an iron curtain around them and dump all that soon to be wasted money on a crash nuclear program. Surplus power could be used to generate hydrogen or whatnot... maybe store it in big batteries and flux capacitors.

Going on twenty years later it is evident that Bush admin and successor was to be what it was - throw money at them.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 21, 2020 12:39 PM (1g7ch)

93 33 Natural gas is cheap to build and produce, clean,
abundant, creates jobs and doesn't scare people or create as much
bureaucracy to run.

Posted by: Blago at June 21, 2020 12:26 PM (gkdnV)

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And your last two points are exactly why the government is trying to do away with it. Need to keep the serfs cowed and grow the bureaucracy.

The up side about wind power is that several uber-lefties acquaintances sank a significant amount of money into a company that was going to produce "revolutionary" building-mounted turbines. Of course, it went bust and they lost their money. I was not sympathetic.

Posted by: Hoplite Housewife at June 21, 2020 12:39 PM (XXNQ+)

94 Speaking of divorced from reality, Raz Ma Taz apparently doesn't understand what "autonomous" means.

https://bit.ly/2YSz4Xq

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at June 21, 2020 12:39 PM (+y/Ru)

95 As the day heats up, and A/C starts turning on, they switch on more of the turbines.

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They have to switch them on?

That isn't how this is supposed to work at all.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 21, 2020 12:39 PM (twAZ/)

96 I'm onboard with nuclear, but fusion, not fission..

Posted by: creeper at June 21, 2020 12:34 PM (XxJt1)

Cold fusion...#twoweeks.
Posted by: BignJames at June 21, 2020 12:36 PM (X/Pw5)

Among aaaaaaaallll the other things I would question at this point in our existence, it would be the fact that years ago there were actual scientists saying this thing was possible. And then... poof. Gone.

I think we're getting a clearer picture on how and when technological innovations are allowed to flourish.

If the people who run the world won't benefit from it, then it isn't going to happen.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 21, 2020 12:40 PM (hku12)

97 How about a hurricane coming through and taking out every single windmill? Is that cost factored in?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 21, 2020 12:40 PM (oVJmc)

98 1 I'm tired of my state being in the news.

Posted by: bluebell at June 21, 2020 12:15 PM (/669Q)
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Bluebell, I feel your pain.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Michigangsta at June 21, 2020 12:40 PM (Dc2NZ)

99 You ain't gotta be perfect just be a decent man.

There's always a catch.

Posted by: pep at June 21, 2020 12:40 PM (v16oJ)

100 Articles on how there are huge difficulties in taking windmills out

This form our national communist news outlet, npr.
https://tinyurl.com/ya6s8v3a
This one from a "science" journal
https://tinyurl.com/y7mc4out
Oh and don't forget for every windmill farm you have to have a reliable supply from oil, coal, or natgas idling all the time so it can come on lie quickly.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at June 21, 2020 12:41 PM (pw+jk)

101 How much power do the Chinese get from wind? And how much money do they make selling windmills to the West?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 21, 2020 12:41 PM (oVJmc)

102 Yep, I see all the articles today from the Ministry of Truth about Trumps rally are propagandizing it as a low attended failure. I bet all the language and talking points are identical since they were plagiarized from the same DNC release of daily required reporting.

Years ago I would have clicked on a couple to confirm my suspicions but I gave up fake news during the Russian collusion hoax. I won't give them 1 click. If you advertise there , I won't see your ad.

Posted by: The Walking Dude at June 21, 2020 12:41 PM (cCxiu)

103 Offshore Wind Farms!

But NO offshore oil rigs.

- Virginia

Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 21, 2020 12:42 PM (1g7ch)

104 Don't know how it is off the coast of VA but around here in August there is zero wind, zero.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 21, 2020 12:42 PM (xoy/G)

105 90 If I'm not mistaken we haven't built a nuclear power plant since Jane Fonda's movie The China Syndrome.

We are such fucking sheep. Baaaah! Baaaah!
Posted by: LGoPs

Building one in GA. Big push to stop it, but i think it is almost finished.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 21, 2020 12:42 PM (dNzKv)

106 Most of the wind turbines around here don't move no matter how hard the wind blows. It turns out that they don't generate enough power to even pay for routine maintenance. So once the government subsidies were collected, they were shut down to rust for eternity. It is just another "green energy" scam, like Solyndra.

Posted by: cool breeze at June 21, 2020 12:43 PM (UGKMd)

107 Offshore Wind Farms!

But NO offshore oil rigs.

- Virginia
Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 21, 2020 12:42 PM (1g7ch)

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Oil rigs are crawling with unsightly Deplorables. It's SCIENCE!!!

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 21, 2020 12:43 PM (twAZ/)

108 Well, well, well.

Hi! I work in commercial diving, and I just finished a phase of this very project. We were installing the power cable from the shore base (south of Va. Beach) through the HDD bore they made from the beach to 1km offshore.

The end client is an energy company called Dominion, who subcontracted a European wind farm company called Orsted to do the actual work. Orsted hired an offshore contractor who hired us.

--Orsted had never done an offshore project in the US before, and it showed. If they go large scale, stand by for years of time and billions of dollars to go bye bye. They are desperately stupid people; we had to repeatedly explain to them that depth readings for the same object underwater would vary throughout the day because the tidal shift was 3-4'. They refused to accept this, so we were forced to submit fake numbers at certain points because they could not understand water becoming deeper and then shallower.

--They told us to dig a cable up out of the bottom to determine whether it was fully supported by the bottom. I'll say that again: THEY TOLD US TO DIG A CABLE UP TO SEE IF IT HAD WATER UNDER IT.

--A guy wrenched his arm out of the socket. They held up evac'ing him until they printed, signed, scanned and emailed a JSA paper for offshore personnel transfer.

--Then they stopped the crew boat in open water and made a guy with a dislocated shoulder do a boat to boat transfer into a fire department motorboat.

--They screamed at us for digging a 4 meter deep hole, when the plans called for a 3 meter hole. We told them the pipe was 4 meters deep. They made us stop working because their plans had called for moving 3,900 square foot of bottom, and by digging deeper we had exceeded that. This hole, by the way, was on the bottom of the ocean.

Posted by: Vanya at June 21, 2020 12:44 PM (BAsqb)

109 Thorium reactors that also run coal gasification. Thank Joe Mannix for that plan. It's a smart idea from a smart guy.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 21, 2020 12:44 PM (wXhu+)

110 20
The answer is easy.

Solar.

Just mount enough solar panels on your house to run, oh, your A/C
unit, then have the batteries and capacity to keep it going DURING THE
NIGHT, when wind is usually a LOT more calm.

PROFIT!

Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at June 21, 2020 12:22 PM (Zz0t1)

No roof mounted solar panels carry enough current to run your Heat Pump or A/C.

Posted by: Vic at June 21, 2020 12:44 PM (mpXpK)

111 I used to think wind turbines were beautiful. Now I can't stand them. There are so many huge wind farms they show up on weather radar.

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Every open-world auto racing videogame HAS to have at least one wind farm now. Apparently it's mandatory. Yet none of these driving simulation games have gas stations. Or fuel gauges, for that matter.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist at June 21, 2020 12:44 PM (lW69B)

112 I thought TN opened a nuke plant in recent years.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 21, 2020 12:44 PM (r+sAi)

113 Tuna Finger Biden is forming a Transition team

Vero Possumus!

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 21, 2020 12:45 PM (oVJmc)

114 @101. How much power do the Chinese get from wind....

After a half of dozen of me for breakfast, 1 person could power a windmill for several hours

Posted by: Spicy Eggroll at June 21, 2020 12:45 PM (cCxiu)

115 "They have to switch them on? That isn't how this is supposed to work at all."

It's a great big lever switch, like from the old Frankenstein movies.

Posted by: Chris M at June 21, 2020 12:45 PM (6XZdO)

116 you numbers for world 651 GW, texas 28 GW, are low (15GW), very. are they 2010? major problem of wind. It blows the best where there are NO USERS of the power. and, no one installed copper wires to take that power to somewhere where it will get used. And, you can NOT store it without a shitload of expensive batteries (or a mountain to pump water up,)

Posted by: projection on steroids at June 21, 2020 12:45 PM (V9NdA)

117 104
Don't know how it is off the coast of VA but around here in August there is zero wind, zero.

Posted by: Braenyard

As a former windsurfer, it's calm in the summer. Dead calm. Until the thunderstorms come through, and then it's a freaking Force 12 gale. So, you know, perfect for windmills.

Posted by: pep at June 21, 2020 12:45 PM (v16oJ)

118 Practically speaking, I wonder why there aren't more turbines in Wyoming? Every time I visit there I feel like I'm one wind gust away from Oz.
Posted by: Two Weeks From Ending My Fast Before I Kill Everyone at June 21, 2020 12:37 PM (+dsLj)

Look at who the politicians are in Wyoming.

There's your answer.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 21, 2020 12:45 PM (hku12)

119
Windpower is stupid.

Everywhere, everysinglefuckingwhere, it's been tried, the minute gov't funding stops, the wind power companies go bankrupt.

Cuz they can't produce enough power to pay for their upkeep and general cost.

Which means you're paying extra money for something much less effective than gas, nuke, or coal.

That's one reason why you down see the windmills turning. they've broken down and it doesn't pay to fix them.

BONUS! Stupidity:

Because wind power is so unreliable, everywhere, everysinglefuckingwhere, wind power is used. There has to be a back-up system of gas or nuke or coal to compensate for wind power's lame-ass unreliability.

This winds up costing even more because you've got to maintain a system capable of providing full time power offline to support the goofball unicorn known as windmill power.

A great example is in LimeyLand, where the turbines often freeze up during the winter so, they have to fire up coal-fired plants to provide the energy.

Brilliant!

Posted by: naturalfake at June 21, 2020 12:45 PM (ysqzb)

120 There is a gargantuan amount of money being creamed off of the top of this gargantuan, expensive project.

Bingo.

Has Virginia run out of power? Are they starting from scratch? Did "The State" build their current power generation plants? If there is such a great need, wouldn't private enterprise be investing appropriately?

Posted by: t-bird at June 21, 2020 12:46 PM (ZS2+d)

121 I thought the whole idea of "off shore" wind power was that the wind never stops?

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Apparently not familiar with the doldrums in the Golden Age of Sail.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at June 21, 2020 12:46 PM (+y/Ru)

122 Trump rally attendance, there must be an accurate record what with all the temp takings and such.

One hour before the rally the lower tier was completely packed with people drifting in upstairs.
Never had a good view after it started but by brief views the upper tier looked pretty full.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 21, 2020 12:46 PM (xoy/G)

123 OT.. But I see Jerry, the Penguin Nadler says he's gonna have Bolton "testify" and get to the "truth" about Trump... Oh joy....Impeachment 2 here we come

Posted by: It's me donna at June 21, 2020 12:46 PM (Zmnko)

124 CBD, this was a great post. It raises valid issues without hiking my B/P twenty points. Thanks.

Posted by: creeper at June 21, 2020 12:46 PM (XxJt1)

125 108 Posted by: Vanya at June 21, 2020 12:44 PM (BAsqb)

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Thanks for making me even more incensed about how my tax dollars are being spent. Any chance the work will be so shoddy that the things just fall over?

Posted by: Hoplite Housewife at June 21, 2020 12:46 PM (XXNQ+)

126 "They have to switch them on? That isn't how this is supposed to work at all."
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It's a great big lever switch, like from the old Frankenstein movies.
Posted by: Chris M at June 21, 2020 12:45 PM (6XZdO)

I figured it was a knob, with numbers 1, 2, and 3, depending on what speed and how loud you want them running. And a little thingy on top you pop down, if you want it to rotate.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 21, 2020 12:47 PM (hku12)

127 And we all remember some years ago, an offshore wind farm was proposed for the waters off Nantucket

Ted Kennedy and family nixed that
NIMBY

Posted by: DB- just DB at June 21, 2020 12:48 PM (iTXRQ)

128 Okay, last person in the world I thought I'd learn things from, but the funniest documentary was Michael Moore's new one The Human Planet or something like that.

They show that it takes more coal to produce power through solar panels (due to how they're made) than it does to just produce power through coal.

They showed facilities advertised as "offset" facilities and endorse by big green liars that are literally just plants where they burn trees for power.

Oh how I laughed.

Basically they showed that NOTHING in green technology is remotely sustainable (just like the science that forces us to blindly adopt these idiotic windmills!).

The best part is to build or operate any of this stuff requires oil and coal. They showed some Oil exec saying that all it does is help them stay relevant. It is a giant con, basically.

They went to a "sustainable" concert filled with stinky hippies which had some celebrity screech about how it's all zero waste! But.... It was raining that day.

So the documentary went backstage and everything was being run on giant diesel generators.

I laughed some more.

The BEST part. They showed how the people who send money to Al Gore, for "offset credits" or some investment in green technology. 95% of it gets invested into oil companies JUST so Al Gore can make more money.

All I had to know to know this thing was phony baloney was see that story about Al Gore's Tennessee compound lit up like a Christmas tree over a decade ago.

I've always used an axiom about global warming (which is what they used to call it) and many other things, by Victor Davis Hanson:

"I'll believe it's a crisis when the people who tell me it's a crisis start to actually act as if it's a crisis."

This axiom has never steered me wrong.

Posted by: Iftwilp at June 21, 2020 12:48 PM (gqvXZ)

129 Willowed...
474 Iron Mike, coming out of lurkdom to suggest that sepsis be ruled out. Some of the symptoms are nausea, low blood pressure, and confusion. I was hospitalized for a kidney stone that required surgical removal and stent. Sepsis was diagnosed the day after I was admitted. (It was missed in the ER.) Prayers for your wife.
Posted by: MoKim at June 21, 2020 11:21 AM (Wfghn)

Thanks, MoKim. She had those symptoms plus fever and chills along with low white blood count. The ER Attending suspected sepsis last night, so they have been working that.

Update:

She is still in ICU. Doc is optimistic they can discontinue the BP meds and send her to her room this afternoon or evening.

Going to ultrasound her liver once she is out of ICU and run more tests to figure out the problem with lover function. She'll be spending tonight there.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at June 21, 2020 12:48 PM (xX1Pc)

130
No roof mounted solar panels carry enough current to run your Heat Pump or A/C.
Posted by: Vic at June 21, 2020 12:44 PM (mpXpK)

Kinda my point. If you put enough panels to run your A/C, you'd crush your house, and your neighbors, and take up your entire neighborhood.

Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at June 21, 2020 12:49 PM (Zz0t1)

131 113 Tuna Finger Biden is forming a Transition team

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Has he fingered someone to be his National Chairperson yet?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 21, 2020 12:49 PM (twAZ/)

132 Thanks for making me even more incensed about how my tax dollars are being spent. Any chance the work will be so shoddy that the things just fall over?
Posted by: Hoplite Housewife at June 21, 2020 12:46 PM (XXNQ+)

The actual wind farm site is ~25 miles offshore, we never got near it. We were just working on the landfall side.

By the way, the cable route bends and turns because the entire area to the south is a massive UXO dump of artillery shells and bombs and U-boat mines from WWII and after.

Posted by: Vanya at June 21, 2020 12:49 PM (BAsqb)

133 The Gold is in the maintenance contracts for the windmills. Offshoring them will be lucrative for somebody who is not me. I'll be dead before they generate a single Watt (22 years).

Posted by: klaftern at June 21, 2020 12:49 PM (RuIsu)

134 Shall we mention how many seabirds will be killed by these monstrosities?

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at June 21, 2020 12:49 PM (nAiE/)

135 As a former windsurfer, it's calm in the summer.
Dead calm. Until the thunderstorms come through, and then it's a
freaking Force 12 gale. So, you know, perfect for windmills.

Posted by: pep at June 21, 2020 12:45 PM (v16oJ)

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Translation: No power output because of no wind in summer. Then no power output because it is too windy. The rest of the year little power output because you have to repair the windmills form Force 12 winds.
PROFIT!!!!

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at June 21, 2020 12:49 PM (pw+jk)

136 55 Natural gas is cheap to build and produce, clean,
abundant, creates jobs and doesn't scare people or create as much
bureaucracy to run.

Posted by: Blago at June 21, 2020 12:26 PM (gkdnV)
Absolutely. But we need more than one source of power, and it is hard to argue rationally against nuclear. It is also fairly dense...the amount of power is amazing from a relatively small footprint.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 21, 2020 12:30 PM (dLLD6)

Something that amazes me is how no one will ever take note of one of the main advantages of the wind farms in west Texas; which in fact are (iirc) the largest concentration of wind farms in the world. Of course, these are all advertised as a Great Environmental Project, which cannot be criticized. But the hard fact is that even in West Texas, a windy place, there is only enough wind to keep the blades spinning about 40% of the time. Combine that fact with the reality that, in order to be connected to the grid, suppliers have to supply power 100% of the time.

So why are these so profitable, why have so many been built? Because every last one of them have natural gas fired facilities that are called "backups" which keep the power flowing. Simple question, in what other business do the 'Backups" run 60% of the time while the primaries only run 40% of the time?

But it gets better yet, and this is the explanation for the entire scheme - in Texas, natural gas is incredibly cheap due to overproduction in the Eagle Ford and Wolfcamp plays, among others. BUT if it gets disguised as Wind Power production, it can command Wind Power subsidized rates, and it becomes incredibly profitable. That's what the whole game is about.

Put simply, in Texas, "Wind Power" is way to burn off huge amounts of surplus natural gas, and get high and subsidized rates for doing it, plus all the social credit for being "Environmental". You could say this was a scam; I would counter that this is what the entire 'Environmental" power generation movement is about. It has to disguise the true source of the power, or it just won't work.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 21, 2020 12:49 PM (V2Yro)

137 Offshore Wind Farms

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I've heard of sowing the wind. Didn't end well.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at June 21, 2020 12:49 PM (+y/Ru)

138 And a little thingy on top you pop down, if you want it to rotate.
Posted by: BurtTC

I knew a girl like that

Posted by: Bruce at June 21, 2020 12:50 PM (vd8XM)

139 And put a brick in your toilet tank, so it takes 14 flushes to get rid of a brown floater
Posted by: Bruce at June 21, 2020 12:29 PM (vd8XM)

Maybe they need to change the food pyramid to increase the lunker/floater ratio?

Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 21, 2020 12:50 PM (1g7ch)

140 Woke up this morning and found out I got the Corona.

Also, got a 12 pack of Modelo and some limes.

Happy Father's Day.

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at June 21, 2020 12:50 PM (EhN2W)

141 Building one in GA. Big push to stop it, but i think it is almost finished.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 21, 2020 12:42 PM

Plant Vogtle, outside Augusta.

Posted by: Bert G, new podisode at June 21, 2020 12:51 PM (OMsf+)

142 Ugh, a couple of late troll droppings were added to the WeirdDave ONT.

Posted by: gdgm+ at June 21, 2020 12:51 PM (ExnWy)

143 Also, got a 12 pack of Modelo and some limes.

Oh No!! The limes disease too?

Posted by: Bruce at June 21, 2020 12:51 PM (vd8XM)

144 I was driving the I-10 just last month and saw a "murder" of wind turbines. Apparently, being a wind turbine repairman is a great job.

Posted by: JAS at June 21, 2020 12:51 PM (2BZBZ)

145

Here in NY Fredo and Co are planning on divesting of a quarter of the generating capacity in NYC by closing Indian Point nuclear facility (2 plants ) with no replacements.

They figure excess capacity will make up the difference.

Posted by: irongrampa at June 21, 2020 12:51 PM (KATBx)

146 74
If I'm not mistaken we haven't built a nuclear power plant since Jane Fonda's movie The China Syndrome.

We are such fucking sheep. Baaaah! Baaaah!

Posted by: LGoPs at June 21, 2020 12:37 PM (7k/uO)

The China Syndrome was released in 1979. We have had a number of new nuclear plants built and go online since 1979.

Posted by: Vic at June 21, 2020 12:51 PM (mpXpK)

147 Vanya,
Keep a journal. There's a book in that!

Posted by: Diogenes at June 21, 2020 12:51 PM (axyOa)

148 As a ute, I always thought that nuke power would be ideal for our brave new world.

But alas, democrat marxist propaganda and fear mongering left it dead in the water.

Sure it has issues, but if we could have developed it normally along the way and used our big brains to fine tune it, every State could power all their homes and businesses with it by now.

But fear won the day.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 21, 2020 12:52 PM (Z+IKu)

149 Posted by: Iftwilp at June 21, 2020 12:48 PM (gqvXZ)

The point of the documentary is that it is literally impossible to make a sustainable power grid, and the people who sell that dream to leftists do so while laughing all the way to the bank. Also global warming is a hoax. It's the sun.

I don't know, I find that incredibly funny.

Posted by: Iftwilp at June 21, 2020 12:52 PM (gqvXZ)

150 1 I'm tired of my state being in the news.

Posted by: bluebell at June 21, 2020 12:15 PM (/669Q)

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Naturally, I agree with bluebell.

Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2020 12:33 PM (MVjcR)

Count me among this number too.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at June 21, 2020 12:52 PM (nAiE/)

151 The one reason I see no need to build nuke plants is that, in actual fact, we have now found enough cheap sources of natural gas to provide all of our energy needs to 100 years, and possibly 300 years if some off limits areas are explored and developed. If we pursue nat gas aggressively, which we have the technology for now, we can wait 50 or 60 years until we finally get the nuclear designs shrunken down and all worked out.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 21, 2020 12:52 PM (V2Yro)

152 That's one reason why you don't see the windmills turning. they've broken down and it doesn't pay to fix them.

To keep them from stopping and breaking down, we will be at times be powering the windmills to act as fans. The goal will be a constant and esthetically pleasing speed.

Posted by: Virginia Dept of Energy at June 21, 2020 12:52 PM (SwCv8)

153 It's 'bread & circumcisions' to divert the sheeple from reality . . . like a 'blackface' governator or shootings or riots or lynchings or . . . it's a long list - gimme time . . .

Posted by: Dr_No at June 21, 2020 12:52 PM (mu5GU)

154 131 113 Tuna Finger Biden is forming a Transition team

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Has he fingered someone to be his National Chairperson yet?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 21, 2020 12:49 PM (twAZ/)

Real subtle, but I can sniff out what you did there.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Low Glycemic Souls at June 21, 2020 12:52 PM (Wm5SB)

155 132 By the way, the cable route bends and turns because
the entire area to the south is a massive UXO dump of artillery shells
and bombs and U-boat mines from WWII and after.

Posted by: Vanya at June 21, 2020 12:49 PM (BAsqb)

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Thanks for the additional info. Interesting that all of that stuff is still out there.

Posted by: Hoplite Housewife at June 21, 2020 12:53 PM (XXNQ+)

156 I forgot to add the #ShutdownSTEM hashtag. Yes, that's actually a thing.
Posted by: Bert G, new podisode at June 21, 2020 12:35 PM (OMsf+)

Boko Haram.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 21, 2020 12:53 PM (1g7ch)

157 Keep a journal. There's a book in that!
Posted by: Diogenes at June 21, 2020 12:51 PM (axyOa)

Nah, project's done. These Eurobags really are something else to work for, though.

Posted by: Vanya at June 21, 2020 12:54 PM (BAsqb)

158 I'm no scientist, but it seems the sun warming our globe is the main reason we have Life at all

Posted by: DB- just DB at June 21, 2020 12:54 PM (iTXRQ)

159 My prediction is that Virginia gets power from the windmills at the same time Kalifornia gets its high speed train: NEVER.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at June 21, 2020 12:54 PM (pw+jk)

160 There is also the lifespan of wind turbines that should be considered. Even if a hurricane doesn't take them out, 20 years is a likely maximum in this environment before a complete and very expensive refurbishment is required. And if refurbishment is not cost-effective, then environmentally sound decommissioning will be required.
This scheme may be cost-effective (although I sincerely doubt it), but it has to be thoroughly thought through. I don't believe it has been. The proponents of this are as bad as any polluters they rail against by pushing that problem off to another generation.

Posted by: kraki at June 21, 2020 12:54 PM (TNa9O)

161 they could not understand water becoming deeper and then shallower.

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Same thing happens to my beer mug.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at June 21, 2020 12:54 PM (+y/Ru)

162 63- When we elect a Democrat President, we're not electing an executive, but a figurehead.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Florida Man at June 21, 2020 12:34 PM

I think Hillary would beg to differ, but you are absolutely right in the current instance.

Posted by: Moonbeam at June 21, 2020 12:54 PM (qe5CM)

163 Just one hurricane provides enough wind to supply energy for 100 years. We just have to store it.... by making huge freaking batteries out of rare earth materials mined across the world and connecting them all via underground cables dug and laid by industrial machinery... and then keeping the batteries charged via the sun and stars... and then there will be a green and peaceful world where we will all live in harmonic devices.

Posted by: Peacies and Greenies at June 21, 2020 12:54 PM (r+sAi)

164 No roof mounted solar panels carry enough current to run your Heat Pump or A/C.
Posted by: Vic at June 21, 2020 12:44 PM (mpXpK)

Kinda my point. If you put enough panels to run your A/C, you'd crush your house, and your neighbors, and take up your entire neighborhood.
Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at June 21, 2020 12:49 PM (Zz0t1)

Probably depends on where you are. I have panels on my roof, and my energy bills are incredibly low.

We get sunlight more than most places in this country.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 21, 2020 12:54 PM (hku12)

165 Oh No!! The limes disease too?

Posted by: Bruce at June 21, 2020 12:51
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Heh. Yeah, I heard it cured the 'rona.

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at June 21, 2020 12:55 PM (EhN2W)

166 Woke up this morning and found out I got the Corona.

Also, got a 12 pack of Modelo and some limes.

Happy Father's Day.
Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay

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My only chore today is to keep the blender powered for mango-ritas.
Daughters of Diogenes are awesome!

See how I worked power into that?

Posted by: Diogenes at June 21, 2020 12:55 PM (axyOa)

167 I was driving the I-10 just last month and saw a "murder" of wind turbines.

I thought that was a "puree".

Posted by: pep at June 21, 2020 12:55 PM (v16oJ)

168 And a little thingy on top you pop down, if you want it to rotate.
Posted by: BurtTC

I knew a girl like that
Posted by: Bruce at June 21, 2020 12:50 PM (vd8XM)

And you didn't marry her???

Posted by: BurtTC at June 21, 2020 12:56 PM (hku12)

169 I live in Louisiana. I could probably put panels up and use them to power a giant Tesla coil that would electrocute anyone who came into my yard. Tons of sun.

Posted by: Vanya at June 21, 2020 12:56 PM (BAsqb)

170 But it gets better yet, and this is the explanation for the entire scheme - in Texas, natural gas is incredibly cheap due to overproduction in the Eagle Ford and Wolfcamp plays, among others. BUT if it gets disguised as Wind Power production, it can command Wind Power subsidized rates, and it becomes incredibly profitable. That's what the whole game is about.

Excellent gaming of the system! This makes so much sense.

Posted by: t-bird at June 21, 2020 12:56 PM (XHrkn)

171 The China Syndrome was released in 1979. We have had a number of new nuclear plants built and go online since 1979.

Posted by: Vic at June 21, 2020 12:51 PM (mpXpK)

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True but they were in the pipeline.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at June 21, 2020 12:56 PM (pw+jk)

172

The correct term is GreenFusion and shall be used at all times, 'cause it's GREEN!

You're not against Green Energy are you, Luddite?!

Posted by: French Anteater at June 21, 2020 12:56 PM (d6DSt)

173 152 That's one reason why you don't see the windmills turning. they've broken down and it doesn't pay to fix them.

To keep them from stopping and breaking down, we will be at times be powering the windmills to act as fans. The goal will be a constant and esthetically pleasing speed.
Posted by: Virginia Dept of Energy at June 21, 2020 12:52 PM

We are going to repurpose all of our abolished police officers to be windmill repairmen.

Posted by: Moonbeam at June 21, 2020 12:57 PM (qe5CM)

174 What's the problem? In cases of low wind, Virginia can count on the Federal Government to employ the "California" paradigm, simply take resources generated in other states and 'redistribute' those resources to states with more pull in DC.

And power generated in other states does not count against your states "Social Justice and Environmental" score.

Seriously, if I was in charge of Arizona, I would be building combined cycle LNG power plants to sell power to California when their 'Green' plants can't manage. In a couple decades you could buy the eastern 2/3's of the state and restart the agriculture they are trying so hard to kill.

Posted by: JB1000 at June 21, 2020 12:57 PM (EB8LJ)

175 Why offshore wind farms are idiotic - it's common knowledge that huge storms happen from time to time, even though it may be only once every 25 years for the really big ones. But sooner or later, one of those is going to come along at every offshore site and dump them all into the ocean.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 21, 2020 12:57 PM (V2Yro)

176 I was driving the I-10 just last month and saw a "murder" of wind turbines.

I thought that was a "puree".

On I-580 you'd call it a "scrapyard".

Posted by: t-bird at June 21, 2020 12:57 PM (XHrkn)

177 I saw the big ones, built during the Carter years. There were three on that site, all locked down. They were surrounded by small ones,all of them turning.

I hate the things. They declare the Gorge a National Scenic area and install turbines on the bluff.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at June 21, 2020 12:57 PM (YynYJ)

178 I knew a girl like that
Posted by: Bruce at June 21, 2020 12:50 PM (vd8XM)

And you didn't marry her???
Posted by: BurtTC

Too many others knew her too.

Posted by: Bruce at June 21, 2020 12:57 PM (vd8XM)

179 Twelve people were shot overnight in a mass shooting in Minneapolis...one person dead and at least 11 wounded.
https://tinyurl.com/yb9sd3n9
Must have been the police gangs.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 21, 2020 12:58 PM (r+sAi)

180 @Vic 110 I have solar. Its not the cheapest but I generate more energy than I use and I have AC, well Pump etc. etc. I get about 500-600 dollars back a year for the excess power.

The expense doesn't justify it without the gummit subsidy, but I figured if the "gummit" were going to cover 30% of the cost I might as well go for it. I figured out how to keep the panels running during a grid shutdown with only 4 batteries (it fools the inverter into thinking we are still on the grid) so I can harness all the power I need during the day without it backfeeding into the grid .

I hardened the whole thing to be EMP resistant to 100kv . So I have an off grid controller tied to the solar array/generator/batteries with Mil spec EMP dissipators stuck on everything. I used the rest of my subsidy to avoid tax which allowed me to buy more guns and ammo.

If the Chinese ever order the Norks to EMP us, I'll be easy to find. Just look for lights on at night in the stix in TX.

Solar, its a preppers dream. Let Uncle Sam pay to arm your ass up.

Posted by: The Walking Dude at June 21, 2020 12:58 PM (cCxiu)

181 You don't need A/C if you have a windmill because they are like a giant fan and will keep everything cool!!!///

Posted by: lin-duh en fugue at June 21, 2020 12:58 PM (UUBmN)

182 I'm no scientist, but it seems the sun warming our globe is the main reason we have Life at all
Posted by: DB- just DB at June 21, 2020 12:54 PM (iTXRQ)

What scares the turds out of me is when you hear actual scientists talking about global temperatures, and how RIGHT NOW we are at barely sustainable warming levels. That the earth's history is periods of MUCH high temps, during which there was so much more habitable land... people could actually spread out more.

I don't believe humans are capable of doing much to change global temps, but it seems that religion, the one that believes in Globall Warmening, thinks we'd be better off with LESS habitable land.

I think that's part of the point.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 21, 2020 12:58 PM (hku12)

183 Did you guys notice Bluebell scored a First and didn't brag about it.
She is one classy lady!

Posted by: Diogenes at June 21, 2020 12:58 PM (axyOa)

184 Why offshore wind farms are idiotic - it's common knowledge that huge storms happen from time to time, even though it may be only once every 25 years for the really big ones. But sooner or later, one of those is going to come along at every offshore site and dump them all into the ocean.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 21, 2020 12:57 PM (V2Yro)

And then they'll have to pay people like me to go clean it all up.

Yes please, People of Virginia, keep voting for this stuff

Posted by: Vanya at June 21, 2020 12:59 PM (BAsqb)

185 Meanwhile nuclear waste sits in temporary storage containers onsite at our 40 and 50 year old nuclear plants. And the Yucca Mountain repository which we have spent billions of tax dollars to construct sits empty and unused.

Posted by: brak at June 21, 2020 12:59 PM (cG+eD)

186 Greetings:

Sounds like VA's version of CA's "bullet train". Mostly likely a front for wealth redistribution to all those progressive NGOs, non-profits, and grifters that have brought us so much peace, love, and happiness.

Posted by: 11B40 at June 21, 2020 12:59 PM (evgyj)

187 I don't think Bidet believes the polling because he would have picked someone better than Kaufman to lead it

Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at June 21, 2020 12:59 PM (Fju2f)

188 Back during the first solar panel fad I was interested in dry camping (camping out with no hookups); desert camping.

What would it take to run a 5 amp 115 volt a/c for six hours? Thirty six AT&T batteries. What would it take to charge them in twelve hours? More solar cells than could be carried.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 21, 2020 12:59 PM (xoy/G)

189 Windmill lifespan is at best 20 years on land. At sea with corrosive salt water I would think 8-10 years would be the best you could hope for. That is a lot of capital cost amortized into each watt.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at June 21, 2020 01:00 PM (pw+jk)

190
It's 'bread circumcisions' to divert the
sheeple from reality . . . like a 'blackface' governator or shootings or
riots or lynchings or . . . it's a long list - gimme time . . .

Posted by: Dr_No at June 21, 2020 12:52 PM (mu5GU)

Bread and....ummm...must be something new

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 21, 2020 01:00 PM (cUUNR)

191 169 I live in Louisiana. I could probably put panels up and use them to power a giant Tesla coil that would electrocute anyone who came into my yard. Tons of sun.
Posted by: Vanya at June 21, 2020 12:56 PM (BAsqb)

I remember a summer day passing through St. Francisville when it was about 100 degrees and the only breeze you could feel came from 1000 mosquito's wings.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 21, 2020 01:00 PM (V2Yro)

192 Here's a thought experiment for you.

What if everyone in Calif. bought a Telsa?

There is not enough electricity generation west of the Mississippi to meet the demand.

Posted by: JAS at June 21, 2020 01:01 PM (2BZBZ)

193 Sounds like VA's version of CA's "bullet train". Mostly likely a front for wealth redistribution to all those progressive NGOs, non-profits, and grifters that have brought us so much peace, love, and happiness.
Posted by: 11B40 at June 21, 2020 12:59 PM (evgyj)

Oh, no no. Orsted and Dominion are very, very much 'for profit'. Orsted is European though, so all that sweet cash is going overseas.

Posted by: Vanya at June 21, 2020 01:01 PM (BAsqb)

194 Sounds like VA's version of CA's "bullet train".

Gov't project to solve problem nobody had.

Posted by: t-bird at June 21, 2020 01:01 PM (XHrkn)

195
Twelve people were shot overnight in a mass shooting in Minneapolis...one person dead and at least 11 wounded.
https://tinyurl.com/yb9sd3n9
Must have been the police gangs.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 21, 2020 12:58 PM (r+sAi)

9 dead and 56 shot this weekend in Chicago including a 3 year old shot dead. Marches, riots, protests? Not a word.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 21, 2020 01:01 PM (cUUNR)

196 ™ &

test

Posted by: DB- just DB at June 21, 2020 01:01 PM (iTXRQ)

197 Easy peasy. Just put a layer of gold on all the exposed parts.

Posted by: JAS at June 21, 2020 01:02 PM (2BZBZ)

198 I was driving the I-10 just last month and saw a "murder" of wind turbines. Apparently, being a wind turbine repairman is a great job.

Posted by: JAS at June 21, 2020 12:51 PM (2BZBZ)

Just wondering, has anyone studied which species of birds are more likely to die from wind turbines?

I bet a lot more crows than ravens.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 21, 2020 01:02 PM (hku12)

199 Easy peasy. Just put a layer of gold on all the exposed parts.
Posted by: JAS
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I think I read something somewhere about golden idols...I'm pretty sure it ended badly...

Posted by: lin-duh en fugue at June 21, 2020 01:03 PM (UUBmN)

200 I don't believe humans are capable of doing much to change global temps, but it seems that religion, the one that believes in Globall Warmening, thinks we'd be better off with LESS habitable land.

I think that's part of the point.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 21, 2020 12:58 PM (hku12)

On the other hand, during the last Ice Age the Sahara was full of lakes, and rivers, and animals, and people. And all of Texas had herds of Elephants romping all over it. So, there's always someplace to go.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 21, 2020 01:04 PM (V2Yro)

201 Just wondering, has anyone studied which species of birds are more likely to die from wind turbines?

I bet a lot more crows than ravens.
Posted by: BurtTC
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Too bad it wasn't a bunch of grackles!

Posted by: lin-duh en fugue at June 21, 2020 01:04 PM (UUBmN)

202 I knew a girl like that
Posted by: Bruce at June 21, 2020 12:50 PM (vd8XM)

And you didn't marry her???
Posted by: BurtTC

Too many others knew her too.
Posted by: Bruce at June 21, 2020 12:57 PM (vd8XM)

Oh.

I'm sorry for your loss.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 21, 2020 01:04 PM (hku12)

203 Happy Father's Day, morons.

I had the best piece of toast in the world, this morning.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at June 21, 2020 01:05 PM (KnJdm)

204 Just wondering, has anyone studied which species of birds are more likely to die from wind turbines?

I bet a lot more crows than ravens.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 21, 2020 01:02 PM (hku12)

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Not really birds but bats are the most killed of flying things. Bats eat lots of insects, I forget the amount but like pounds per bat per day something ludicrous.

Also chops lots of bald eagles which you or I would go to federal PMITA prison for doing but green so no penalties for killing any endangered bird.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at June 21, 2020 01:05 PM (pw+jk)

205 On I-580 you'd call it a "scrapyard".

Posted by: t-bird at June 21, 2020 12:57 PM (XHrkn)

Altamont Pass?

They ruined it with those stupid turbines.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 21, 2020 01:05 PM (dLLD6)

206 About a decade ago I was living on the central coast in Kommiefornia. PG&E tried to sell us on solar. Our out of pocket expense was several thousand dollars, to be recouped in 40 years with our "discounted" electricity. WTF? BTW, coastal central CA is foggy about 60% of the time.

Yea. No.

Posted by: Martini Farmer - Civilly Disobedient at June 21, 2020 01:05 PM (3H9h1)

207 Just wondering, has anyone studied which species of birds are more likely to die from wind turbines?

I bet a lot more crows than ravens.
Posted by: BurtTC
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Too bad it wasn't a bunch of grackles!
Posted by: lin-duh en fugue

The slower ones.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 21, 2020 01:05 PM (axyOa)

208 @185, Brak...Yep Yucca Mtn. I toured that once when I lived in Vegas. It was fascinating.

I got in trouble because I swiped a rock as a keepsake and got caught. They confiscated the rock , gave me a stern talking to but let me go to a nearby DOE facility where they had a whole barrel of rocks they had tested for radioactivity. So I got one of those. heh.

Posted by: The Walking Dude at June 21, 2020 01:05 PM (cCxiu)

209 How about Thorium reactors?
Posted by: Chris M at June 21, 2020 12:24 PM (6XZdO)

Why? Uranium is easy to find, and cheap. Only India has any decent supply of thorium, found in heavy-mineral beach sands there.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 21, 2020 01:06 PM (J74Gf)

210 When we got back from our cathedral dash in England last fall, a lib friend and renewable energy enthusiast asked, "Aren't the winmills pretty?" We politely refrained from responding. (After all, we hadn't been served breakfast yet.)

Posted by: Caliban at June 21, 2020 01:07 PM (QE8X6)

211 Happy Father's Day!!!

So this bank of turbines is 30 miles off shore. Wouldn't it be destructive to the sea floor and the natural environment to put in the numbers of turbines they would need to generate as much wind power as they are projecting?

Are there chemicals involved that would be hazardous to the sea life there?

At 30 miles off shore, it's out of our territorial waters, so foreign entities could have access to it. Wouldn't that put the electric power it generates at a security risk?

I could go on, but hey. I'm certain greater minds than mine asked these questions.

Posted by: Moki at June 21, 2020 01:07 PM (/H+aK)

212 More than 56 people were shot, nine fatally, by Sunday morning on Fathers Day Weekend in Democrat-controlled Chicago.

BLMs been heard from? Hello?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 21, 2020 01:07 PM (85Gof)

213 Actually, probably not nukes. Coal. By far the best fuel for electricity generation.

$/MW, all that matters - as there's no question about the engineering and physics (coal generates heat to make steam to turn turbines to generate electricity, just fine).

One can factor in all kinds of environmental mitigation costs, on both ends of the coal-to-power formula, and it probably still beats nukes.

Love nukes. Some co-generation nukes along the coast in CA - generate electricity, and de-salinate ocean water - have been an obvious excellent idea for a long time. New-design closed-circuit nukes, much safer.

America's potential wealth and prosperity are being reduced by no single thing more than idiotic irrational and scientifically baseless "climate" and other concerns when it comes to power generation.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 21, 2020 01:07 PM (El6T/)

214 I don't believe humans are capable of doing much to change global temps, but it seems that religion, the one that believes in Globall Warmening, thinks we'd be better off with LESS habitable land.

I think that's part of the point.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 21, 2020 12:58 PM (hku12)

On the other hand, during the last Ice Age the Sahara was full of lakes, and rivers, and animals, and people. And all of Texas had herds of Elephants romping all over it. So, there's always someplace to go.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 21, 2020 01:04 PM (V2Yro)

True. There's no such thing as "normal" period in the lifespan of the earth.

I've been learning up on geology, especially since I moved west, and it's fascinating how the planet has changed over time. Wherever you live, no matter what the climate and topography is like now, there was a period when it was the bottom of the ocean, part of a larger continent, an island, with this that and the other type of flora and fauna. On the equator, on or near one of the poles... etc.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 21, 2020 01:08 PM (hku12)

215 207
Just wondering, has anyone studied which species of birds are more likely to die from wind turbines?

I bet a lot more crows than ravens.

Posted by: BurtTC

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Too bad it wasn't a bunch of grackles!

Posted by: lin-duh en fugue

The slower ones.

Posted by: Diogenes

The Germans solved this problem in WWI with an interrupter gear so they could fire a machine gun through their propellers.

Posted by: pep at June 21, 2020 01:08 PM (v16oJ)

216 Fellow Kalifornian Martini Farmer - Civilly Disobedien,
Petition site to get rid of Newsome here. I'm on my third filled out one 12 names and started only on Friday.
https://recallgavin2020.com/petition/

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at June 21, 2020 01:08 PM (pw+jk)

217 Hmmm. No Problem, we'll build twice as many!!

Posted by: Bruce

"Boss, we are losing $10 million yearly on each wind farm we build!"

"Call Sacramento and negotiate a contract for all of California's wind farms. We'll make up the loss in volume!!!"

Posted by: Sharkman at June 21, 2020 01:09 PM (Qio/u)

218 Just donated to Trump's campaign. Apparently the new online donation platform still has a lot of catching up to do in terms of adoption, but it's already making major inroads, considering the democrats had, oh, a 15 year head start by already having an online donation platform since 2004.

It had to take a businessman like Trump to come along and tell the GOP to get its fucking shit together and fix their small donation infrastructure. Thankfully the new platform is brand new and mobile oriented, whereas the leftist counterpart ActBlue is relying on legacy software.

And lolz, GOP has whined about using a centralized donation platform because it violates "free-market" principles.

So if you see news that the left is outraising GOP in online small donations this isn't new and has always been the case for nearly 15 years. The real story is how quickly Trump is catching up and dragging the GOP's lazy ass with him to upgrade the system to the point where it will soon reach parity with the left's ActBlue.

Posted by: Two Weeks From Ending My Fast Before I Kill Everyone at June 21, 2020 01:09 PM (+dsLj)

219 Deep water wind turbines pumping electrons instead of petrochemicals? Hmmmmmm....

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 21, 2020 01:10 PM (5JSVi)

220 >Just wondering, has anyone studied which species of birds are more likely to die from wind turbines?

Bald eagles are protected by law because National Symbol. You can't even own collected feathers unless you are American Indian. Killing a bald eagle is a crime.

Except if you're in the wind turbine business.

Posted by: DB- just DB at June 21, 2020 01:11 PM (iTXRQ)

221 - Confidence the election is easily in the bag

Where have I seen this movie before?

Posted by: Two Weeks From Ending My Fast Before I Kill Everyone

"In Soviet Russia vote fraud count YOU!!"

Posted by: Sharkman at June 21, 2020 01:11 PM (Qio/u)

222 Why? Uranium is easy to find, and cheap. Only India has any decent supply of thorium, found in heavy-mineral beach sands there.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 21, 2020 01:06 PM (J74Gf)

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Da, easy if know corrupt Clinton to make deal comrade.

Posted by: Vlad Putin at June 21, 2020 01:11 PM (pw+jk)

223 Just wondering, has anyone studied which species of birds are more likely to die from wind turbines?

I bet a lot more crows than ravens.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 21, 2020 01:02 PM (hku12)

===
Not really birds but bats are the most killed of flying things. Bats eat lots of insects, I forget the amount but like pounds per bat per day something ludicrous.

Also chops lots of bald eagles which you or I would go to federal PMITA prison for doing but green so no penalties for killing any endangered bird.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at June 21, 2020 01:05 PM (pw+jk)

Where I am we don't see a lot of bats or eagles.

Ravens are plentiful, and they are fascinating creatures.

Travel along an interstate, in areas where there's nothing around, and it's common to see ravens sitting on mile marker posts and other roadside signs.

Why?

My guess is, they're waiting for bugs to bounce off our windshields. Easy pickings.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 21, 2020 01:11 PM (hku12)

224 I've got a great idea: nuclear power. I know, I know, the greenies think nuclear power is icky.

But here's the twist: we'll have the plants built by moslems!

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at June 21, 2020 01:11 PM (l9m7l)

225 I'm onboard with nuclear, but fusion, not fission..
Posted by: creeper at June 21, 2020 12:34 PM (XxJt1)

We could be waiting many decades for fusion to become practical. Fission is available right now. When fusion becomes competitive, use it to replace aged-out fission plants.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 21, 2020 01:12 PM (J74Gf)

226 Yeah natural gas powered plants of the 50 MW size are cheap to build and can be hauled in on a big semi trailer. But they are expensive as Hell to operate, or at least they used to be before I retired from the power company. We only used ours for peaking power during high load conditions. IIRC they ran about $200/MW of generation. Compare that to my plant's cost of about three cents per MW of generation. (3 year average to account for outage costs)

Posted by: Vic at June 21, 2020 01:12 PM (mpXpK)

227 Posted by: Moki at June 21, 2020 01:07 PM (/H+aK)

In order:

Probably not. Driving piles into the seabed isn't terribly polluting.

Also, probably not. The US Gov't is absolutely merciless when it comes to releasing stuff into the water. Offshore installations like this come out ready to set up and hook up.

Technically yes, but realistically it's no more at risk than an offshore oil platform.

The problem here is more that it's an unnecessary money black hole that's being done for very thin reasons.

Posted by: Vanya at June 21, 2020 01:12 PM (BAsqb)

228 33 My only issue with nuclear is it means HEAVY government involvement for national security reasons. And a nuclear plant is way more expensive to build.

But if you buy into the CO2 hysteria (which I don't) it would far and away be the best. If environmentalists really believed in it, it would be their #1 priority to build nuclear.

A good video to share with environmentalist acquaintances is a TEDx talk by Michael Shellenberger, a genuine Berkeley leftist whose main argument is that you can't really be pro-environment unless you're pro-nuclear. I show his TEDx video to my mostly-leftist students, and they find it persuasive.

https://tinyurl.com/y295acwb

Posted by: crisis du jour at June 21, 2020 01:12 PM (L8DUW)

229 Solar Highways are the answer. Turn our roads into giant solar electric generators. Works all the time, just ask any scientist in France.
Even enough power to light the roadside signs, and street lights, unlimited energy I say....
Until you do the math......

Posted by: Colin at June 21, 2020 01:13 PM (9rDfu)

230
Just wondering, has anyone studied which species of birds are more likely to die from wind turbines?

You don't see any dodos, do you? Q.E.D.

Posted by: naturalfake at June 21, 2020 01:13 PM (ysqzb)

231 Thanks Vanya.

Posted by: Moki at June 21, 2020 01:14 PM (/H+aK)

232 I hear penny robinson gave great blow jobs. At least that is what Major West said

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 21, 2020 01:14 PM (85Gof)

233 I am old enough to remember when the msm called a 3,000 person obama rally huuuuuge.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 21, 2020 01:14 PM (r+sAi)

234 Just wondering, has anyone studied which species of birds are more likely to die from wind turbines?

We have solved this problem, too, by putting solar-friendly plexiglas in front of each turbine.

Posted by: Virginia Dept of Energy at June 21, 2020 01:14 PM (8DRUP)

235 Nuclear was my favorite option 20 years ago ... still is ... but I don't know much about the tech. Even if we used coal, it would be fine ... we can scrub the emissions. The lie of a CO2 problem is very useful for enemies of America, as those same people love selling coal to China where it is belched out on the slaves ... but cha-ching, Wall Street loves China and the slave profits, as they oppose Trump and America First.

Xi and the Hong Kong "families" feel they have Wall Street and most of DC on their side. And the trillions Americans pour into retirement have funded that congruent decline for the American middle class worker, tied to a decline in Western Liberty. But powering enemies with coal is no problemo ... the Cocktail Party raises their champagne glasses to China.

But there seem to be other anti-America forces at play, beyond market forces ... as with the whole global warming crap. DeepState has their own New World Order in mind ... America First and a red pill awakening is an existential threat to them. (but they will take subsidy millions to build those wind farms)

Posted by: illiniwek at June 21, 2020 01:15 PM (Cus5s)

236 The Germans solved this problem in WWI with an interrupter gear so they could fire a machine gun through their propellers.
Posted by: pep at June 21, 2020 01:08 PM (v16oJ)

I would not have wanted to be one of the test pilots while they were figuring that one out.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 21, 2020 01:16 PM (hku12)

237 If Congress would just pass a law that negates the law of conservation of energy, we could solve this overnight.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 21, 2020 01:16 PM (r+sAi)

238 I hear penny robinson gave great blow jobs. At least that is what Major West said

I hope you meant Judy, because Penny was about 12.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 21, 2020 01:17 PM (oVJmc)

239 Trying to make a comment. Get below. Any ideas?

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Posted by: GlobalTrvlr at June 21, 2020 01:17 PM (ARe81)

240 198
Just wondering, has anyone studied which species of birds are more likely to die from wind turbines?

The large predators, many of whom are endangered.
Schellenberger addresses exactly this issue in his TEDx talk, link at post #229.

Posted by: crisis du jour at June 21, 2020 01:17 PM (L8DUW)

241 >The Germans solved this problem in WWI with an interrupter gear so they could fire a machine gun through their propellers.

those Fokkers were pretty clever

Posted by: DB- just DB at June 21, 2020 01:17 PM (iTXRQ)

242 I hear penny robinson gave great blow jobs. At least that is what Major West said

I hope you meant Judy, because Penny was about 12.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 21, 2020 01:17 PM (oVJmc)

No i meant penny. if she wishes to post crap here, she gets what she deserves, which if I remember was anal from DR Smith also

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 21, 2020 01:18 PM (85Gof)

243 The Germans solved this problem in WWI with an interrupter gear so they could fire a machine gun through their propellers.

Posted by: pep at June 21, 2020 01:08 PM (v16oJ)

I would not have wanted to be one of the test pilots while they were figuring that one out.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 21, 2020 01:16 PM (hku12)

====The first attempt was to put steel around the wood propeller at the level of the guns so the machine gun didn't devour the prop. I don't know where the deflected bullets would go.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at June 21, 2020 01:18 PM (pw+jk)

244 They are, but they need to be quite light and strong because of the length, and that requires some nasty compounds that are difficult to recycle.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 21, 2020 12:35 PM (dLLD6)

I don't believe there is anything especially nasty, chemically, about wind turbine blades. It's that they are made of composite material like fiberglass or carbon fiber composite, and composites are inherently hard to recycle. Best bet would be to cut them up, and burn them in boilers to run steam generators.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 21, 2020 01:19 PM (J74Gf)

245
No i meant penny. if she wishes to post crap here, she gets what she deserves, which if I remember was anal from DR Smith also

Oh, didn't see our troll's latest brain-turd.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 21, 2020 01:19 PM (oVJmc)

246 Posted by: GlobalTrvlr at June 21, 2020 01:17 PM (ARe81)

===
First paste comment into Word. Then copy from Word and paste into the comment.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at June 21, 2020 01:19 PM (pw+jk)

247 Actually, we need 500 identical reactors...

These would be smaller, but that is because we would use factory built pressure vessels instead of site built to save cost and time. All of the reactors would be built on federal property scattered across the country, near the 300 largest statistical metropolitan areas.

My plan includes having the reactors owned by the federal government to eliminate liability issues and that the electricity generated would be fed to the local grids for free. The utility companies could charge to carry it - the farther the higher the cost.

Posted by: jwest at June 21, 2020 01:19 PM (mrrpT)

248 I hope you meant Judy, because Penny was about 12.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 21, 2020 01:17 PM (oVJmc)

Rally troll above.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 21, 2020 01:19 PM (hku12)

249 "All that's missing is a bullet train to connect commuters with each ocean windmill!" -- California

Posted by: ShainS at June 21, 2020 01:20 PM (WqPYg)

250 220 Bald eagles are protected by law because National
Symbol. You can't even own collected feathers unless you are American
Indian. Killing a bald eagle is a crime.

Except if you're in the wind turbine business.

Posted by: DB- just DB at June 21, 2020 01:11 PM (iTXRQ)

----------
Several years ago, the Fish and Wildlife Service proposed regulations allowing just that. It was a multi-year exemption for killing (their term was "taking") eagles. Eagle rescue and preservation groups were fighting it. I'd have to do some digging to see what eventually became of the proposal. Probably approved, though.

Posted by: Hoplite Housewife at June 21, 2020 01:20 PM (XXNQ+)

251 Posted by: GlobalTrvlr at June 21, 2020 01:17 PM (ARe81)

You likely have curly quotes or apostrophes somewhere in the text. Repkace those with straight quotes. The other gotcha is the long dash, or emdash, I believe it's called.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at June 21, 2020 01:20 PM (KnJdm)

252 >Rally troll above.
Posted by: BurtTC

do not engage

Posted by: DB- just DB at June 21, 2020 01:20 PM (iTXRQ)

253
Much of the time, non-producing windmills are feathered. The blades spin but the hub is decoupled from the generator. This is done for appearances sake.

The gear train and generator require regular maintenance, and typically don't get that. The money has changed hands, no need to incur the expense.

Each pinwheel-eyed credulous article looks more silly than the last.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at June 21, 2020 01:20 PM (GNH+C)

254 It raises valid issues without hiking my B/P twenty points.

Posted by: creeper at June 21, 2020 12:46 PM (XxJt1)

Shit. I failed.

At least your hair is on fire....right?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 21, 2020 01:21 PM (dLLD6)

255 First paste comment into Word. Then copy from Word and paste into the comment.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at June 21, 2020 01:19 PM (pw+jk)

_________

"It's a trap!"

Posted by: ShainS at June 21, 2020 01:21 PM (WqPYg)

256 Can someone pretty please fix the margins?

Posted by: Max Power at June 21, 2020 01:22 PM (QCc6B)

257 Just wondering, has anyone studied which species of birds are more likely to die from wind turbines?

Is it something you want to build, profitably? Then it's bald eagles and cute baby ducks.

Our turbines don't kill any birds. Studies don't lie.

Posted by: EPA at June 21, 2020 01:22 PM (XHrkn)

258 216 >> I left that cesspool in 2012 and moved to Kentucky. I remember the wind turbines down near Palm Springs... they never seemed to spin and I know it was windy down there.

The facility I worked at while I was in CA installed solar powered parking lot lights. The neighbors got pissed off at the light pollution and made them take the lights down. It cost the taxpayers 10's of thousands of dollars for that shitshow.

Posted by: Martini Farmer - Civilly Disobedient at June 21, 2020 01:22 PM (3H9h1)

259 First paste comment into Word. Then copy from Word and paste into the comment.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at June 21, 2020 01:19 PM (pw+jk)

Always solid advice.

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 21, 2020 01:23 PM (qrX0b)

260 At least your hair is on fire....right?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

Another energy source!

Posted by: pep at June 21, 2020 01:23 PM (v16oJ)

261 Tom Servo, that's quite useful to know (the west TX "wind"/natgas scam). Still a wasteful model, of course, but at least with some aspect that reduces the cost to society.

And pep, if you were talking about the Chesapeake, I still clearly recall an incident from a summer day decades ago. I used to rent a 35-ft sailboat at a small marina south of Annapolis and take out my DC friends (none of them sailing or ocean people, as I recall). One time, it was a brutal, dead-calm, humid August day.

So, weather forecast/planning failure on my part. Pretty miserable.

Later in the afternoon, limping back toward the marina - the sky to the northwest starts to become an ominous greenish-black. Yeah.

Anyway, pretty soon, we're heeled over doing that boat's max speed. Then I get some of the guys to lower the jib.

Pretty funny - we pulled up to the dock, where the marina guys were waiting to help and tie us up - with anxious looks on their faces - just as the lightning was getting to within a mile or so, the wind was gusting I'd guess to the high 20s, and the rain was horizontal. We watched the apocalyptic storm from inside the marine office. Temperature dropped about 20 degrees. If we'd been another 2 miles from the marina when it started ...... hmmm.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 21, 2020 01:23 PM (El6T/)

262 The Green New Deal isn't a stupid error, it's a grift. I guarantee you ever recipient of these lucrative payouts is kicking back to the Democrats who sponsored it.

Posted by: Grump928© at June 21, 2020 01:23 PM (yQpMk)

263 Just wondering, has anyone studied which species of birds are more likely to die from wind turbines?
--------------------
The large predators, many of whom are endangered.
Schellenberger addresses exactly this issue in his TEDx talk, link at post #229.
Posted by: crisis du jour at June 21, 2020 01:17 PM (L8DUW)

Thanks, listening now.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 21, 2020 01:23 PM (hku12)

264 238 If Congress would just pass a law that negates the law of conservation of energy, we could solve this overnight.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 21, 2020 01:16 PM (r+sAi)

"Conservation of energy" is a really dumb idea.

Mankind has only moved forward when energy (in it's various forms) has become cheaper and more plentiful.

We need to move towards a society that doesn't even think of how much energy is used.

Posted by: jwest at June 21, 2020 01:23 PM (mrrpT)

265 Who needs turbines with so many copper tops?

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at June 21, 2020 01:24 PM (pB6Gt)

266 In central WA along I90 there is a bigly big windmill farm. I have driven by it many times over the years. At no time did I ever see more than 2/3 of the winnills spinning. Not for a lack of wind since this stretch is windy as fuck all the time. Its because those things break all the time. And they are out in the middle of nowhere. which means fixing them takes a long time since a repair crew wont be called out to fix just one. They wait until 5 or 10 needs repairs and do it all at once instead of paying for multiple trips by a repair crew.

Posted by: Hotgas VIP Member at June 21, 2020 01:24 PM (9zYmr)

267 254
Much of the time, non-producing windmills are feathered. The blades spin but the hub is decoupled from the generator. This is done for appearances sake.

The gear train and generator require regular maintenance, and typically don't get that. The money has changed hands, no need to incur the expense.

Each pinwheel-eyed credulous article looks more silly than the last.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at June 21, 2020 01:20 PM (GNH+C)

I recall reading that it takes some power to rotate idle turbines, which I imagine is to keep things lubed and keep heavy rolling masses from sagging and becoming unbalanced. Same thing is done on large ship mainshafts.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at June 21, 2020 01:24 PM (KnJdm)

268 Now imagine having to fight a wind turbine on fire at sea.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 21, 2020 01:24 PM (ObWxz)

269 I don't believe there is anything especially nasty, chemically, about wind turbine blades. It's that they are made of composite material like fiberglass or carbon fiber composite, and composites are inherently hard to recycle. Best bet would be to cut them up, and burn them in boilers to run steam generators.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 21, 2020 01:19 PM (J74Gf)

The adhesives/resin matrices and the materials used to make those blades is pretty nasty stuff, and you have to wear respirators and PPE to handle it. (well, not mention to avoid any kind of foreign matter or moisture contamination during processing too). I can't imagine what kind of system you'd need to safely burn those things.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 21, 2020 01:24 PM (5JSVi)

270 The point isn't to generate power, it's to generate graft.

Posted by: Blanco Basura -It's OK, I'm with the banned at June 21, 2020 01:25 PM (SchxB)

271 Posted by: GlobalTrvlr

Newcomer name matches pattern of several other newcomers.

Posted by: t-bird at June 21, 2020 01:25 PM (SwCv8)

272 I looked at a model home once (just out of curiosity) that was set up with geothermal for cooling, a real big heat sink to capture solar, heating rocks, and a couple small windmills. If you had that set up, and a natural gas well, you would be pretty independent. You would still be hooked up to the grid, but the small mills would help on that. Maybe add an NG generator.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at June 21, 2020 01:25 PM (C1Lsn)

273 Wait, I know.... we need a world powered by love.

And if I don't get it, I am gonna burn some shit down.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 21, 2020 01:27 PM (r+sAi)

274 Graft is a byproduct to make Agenda 21 a reality

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 21, 2020 01:28 PM (ObWxz)

275

Just think, we could experience the joy of a brownout covering the East coast if our grid was powered by wind/solar, and all it would take is a hot, humid deathly still august night with everyone wanting the AC on.

Wouldn't that be simply amazing?

Posted by: irongrampa at June 21, 2020 01:28 PM (KATBx)

276 We could just go to sleep when it gets dark and get up when it gets light.

Posted by: Grump928© at June 21, 2020 01:28 PM (yQpMk)

277 247 First paste comment into Word. Then copy from Word and paste into the comment.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at June 21, 2020 01:19 PM (pw+jk)

You mean Wordpad right. You can post in comments from Micrsnot Word w/o getting a lot of error messages.

Posted by: Vic at June 21, 2020 01:28 PM (mpXpK)

278 We could be waiting many decades for fusion to become practical. Fission is available right now. When fusion becomes competitive, use it to replace aged-out fission plants.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 21, 2020 01:12 PM (J74Gf)

It's a race! Working Chicom19 vaccine vs working fusion plant. My money is on fusion.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at June 21, 2020 01:28 PM (e1mEI)

279 File "/usr/lib64/python2.6/site-packages/MySQLdb/connections.py", line 202, in unicode_literal
return db.literal(u.encode(unicode_literal.charset))
UnicodeEncodeError: 'latin-1' codec can't encode character u'\u2013' in position 841: ordinal not in range(256)
Posted by: GlobalTrvlr at June 21, 2020 01:17 PM

What others said. Were you trying to copy and paste something in? Or even copying and pasting from a word processor?

Your last line has u\'u2013'

Quick search says that's a long dash. Look at your post for a long dash, replace it with a short dash like the minus key on your keyboard.

Posted by: Hands at June 21, 2020 01:29 PM (786Ro)

280 Had a friend who worked for Duke Energy. One problem they had in PA was people taking pot shots at the generating part on top of the tower. A got shot could disable a turbine. It happened often out in the woods where no one would see the shooter.

Posted by: Colin at June 21, 2020 01:29 PM (9rDfu)

281 Solar and wind generated power require back up generators for when the sun don't shine and the wind don't blow. Two guesses as to what is burned to keep them running?

Posted by: Javems at June 21, 2020 01:29 PM (ofIwF)

282 I already have a Chinese name. Hu Ray Yua. It means test subject 345528692.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at June 21, 2020 01:29 PM (pB6Gt)

283 I'll say it for the 18th time: America needs a crash program of standardized nuclear reactor design and building, along with three or four nuclear operator training facilities (jobs!). 200 reactors distributed across the country. And for every reactor that is retired we build 1.1 reactors.

435 reactors, one per congressional district. If we need to add a few for USVI and Guam to sweeten the deal, well twist my arm.

Posted by: Jean at June 21, 2020 01:29 PM (B7KlG)

284 Not gonna engage the troll but seriously ?

Posted by: It's me donna at June 21, 2020 01:29 PM (Zmnko)

285 Why don't we just figure out what the Jetson's used and do that?

Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2020 01:30 PM (MVjcR)

286 245 AOP, something you would know about. Didn't the East Germans grind up Trabants and use it for some kind of reinforcement in concrete?

Posted by: bill in arkansas at June 21, 2020 01:30 PM (C1Lsn)

287 One time, it was a brutal, dead-calm, humid August day.

So, weather forecast/planning failure on my part. Pretty miserable.

Later in the afternoon, limping back toward the marina - the sky to
the northwest starts to become an ominous greenish-black. Yeah.

It's a pattern for sure at that time of year. I was leaving a marina on the Potomac once after a storm, and saw a boat pulling in a Hobie Cat with a big ball of mud at the top of the mast. It had clearly been flipped and the mast driven into the bottom. Strangely, there were no passengers on the Hobie.

Posted by: pep at June 21, 2020 01:30 PM (v16oJ)

288 I looked at a model home once (just out of curiosity) that was set up with geothermal for cooling

I have that, too. It's a cellar. I'm amazed how much cooling (and freeze protection in the winter) you get when the stone cellar/foundation is tied into the stone house.

Posted by: t-bird at June 21, 2020 01:30 PM (8DRUP)

289 But destroying the natural beauty of great swaths of America while simultaneously reducing the standard of living of many Americans so that elitist asses in NY and DC and San Francisco can preen and crow and brag about how green they are while flying around in their private jets is simply a non starter.

Posted by: CBD at 12:15 PM

I was just thinking the other day while taking a drive about how there are *so* many power towers and telephone poles etc all over stretching *so* many wires all over the place. And yet, I don't really notice them. Because I've grown up with them. That's my normal.

Even though if you take a moment and just specifically look at them and how they are all over the place, they really destroy the natural beauty of areas.

That said, they also massively increase the standard of living for every American.

I think if all these other "alternative" forms of energy/power were to have the same increase in standard of living, we would all get used to seeing them and not really think about them destroying the natural beauty.

But that's the kicker. If you want people to make compromises in one area, you better produce a massive improvement in another area. Solar and wind and pretty much every other non-nuclear power solution has not even come close yet.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at June 21, 2020 01:30 PM (Do5/p)

290 435 reactors, one per congressional district. If we need to add a few for USVI and Guam to sweeten the deal, well twist my arm.
Posted by: Jean at June 21, 2020 01:29 PM (B7KlG)

I think we could solve a lot of our problems if we put a nuclear reactor in Washington DC. It wouldn't have to even run very long-- less than a second-- but it would generate LOTS of power.

Posted by: Vanya at June 21, 2020 01:32 PM (BAsqb)

291 It's a race! Working Chicom19 vaccine vs working fusion plant. My money is on fusion.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at June 21, 2020 01:28 PM (e1mEI)

________

Heh. When I was a kid, fusion was 50 years away -- and I believe continues to be. Haven't researched it, but was told that what we're missing is the materials technology to contain the heat produced.

Posted by: ShainS at June 21, 2020 01:32 PM (WqPYg)

292 If you're on a Windows machine, consider using good old Notepad instead of Word.

https://www.isumsoft.com/windows-10/
how-to-open-and-use-notepad-in-windows-10.html

(remove space from link)

Posted by: Hands at June 21, 2020 01:32 PM (786Ro)

293 UnicodeEncodeError: 'latin-1' codec can't encode character u'\u2013' in position 841: ordinal not in range(256)

You have a bad character at that point. Copy to notepad and repaste

Posted by: Jean at June 21, 2020 01:32 PM (B7KlG)

294 Wait, I know.... we need a world powered by love.

-
All You Need Is Love. Well, maybe a little Back In the USSR as well.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 21, 2020 01:32 PM (+y/Ru)

295 Guam to sweeten the deal, well twist my arm.

Posted by: Jean at June 21, 2020 01:29 PM (B7KlG)

Be careful of Guam, you know what might happen to that island. Balance is important like in an airplane.

Posted by: Colin at June 21, 2020 01:33 PM (9rDfu)

296 A Chernobyl in DC would result in a better quality politician. Two heads and all that.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 21, 2020 01:33 PM (ObWxz)

297 It's a race! Working Chicom19 vaccine vs working fusion plant. My money is on fusion.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew

Hey, either way, it means PROFIT for my daughter's boss Bill Gates

Posted by: Gov. Jay Inslee at June 21, 2020 01:33 PM (786Ro)

298 "Conservation of energy" is a really dumb idea.
<<<<<
Well, its more of a physics principle than an idea.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 21, 2020 01:33 PM (r+sAi)

299 So my wife's tooth is 100% better. I guess I can leave the knives out unlocked tonight

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 21, 2020 01:34 PM (85Gof)

300 "435 reactors, one per congressional district. If we need to add a few for USVI and Guam to sweeten the deal, well twist my arm."
Posted by: Jean at June 21, 2020 01:29 PM (B7KlG)

I like the idea of letting the 300 metro areas vote on if they want the reactors or not. California liberals would vote no, so they would get their power from reactors in Nevada or some other state. Of course, that power would be expensive.

People living within about a 20 mile radius of a plant would be getting their power for practically nothing.

Large users (industrial) would be right next door to reactors, again getting their power for free.

Jobs, jobs, jobs.

Posted by: jwest at June 21, 2020 01:34 PM (mrrpT)

301 I heard a nasty rumor that the Audubon Society gets a check to NOT fight windmills.

Posted by: Jean at June 21, 2020 01:34 PM (B7KlG)

302 I meant Notepad. I write all my morning links and comments in Open Office and then put the file in Notepad for copy and post in the comment box. I used to use Office 2000 but that will not run in Windows 10.

Posted by: Vic at June 21, 2020 01:35 PM (mpXpK)

303 Guam to sweeten the deal, well twist my arm.

Posted by: Jean

I'm on it!

Posted by: Corey Lewandowski at June 21, 2020 01:35 PM (786Ro)

304 Just dropped in from yard work so haven't read comments.
The turbines also can't function in winds above 35 mph.
The stress is too great so they feather them. I have a bunch of the damn things around here and it's a fairly breezy area.
In local lexicon a breeze is anything below 40 mph sustained.
A couple of years ago, during a bad fire season with no wind through the valley a letter to the editor of the local fish wrap demanded to know why, "They", didn't turn on those big fans and blow the smoke out.
not even sarc.

Posted by: Winston, dreg of society at June 21, 2020 01:35 PM (d9Irc)

305 293

If you're on a Windows machine, consider using good old Notepad instead of Word.

Posted by: Hands at June 21, 2020 01:32 PM

Yep, I use Notepad on my desktop all the time before commenting. It catches characters that do not show up in my comment box sometimes.

I know if I copy text from somewhere else, I need to re-do the apostrophe's and quotes and hyphens, etc. But there was some invisible characters in something I pasted here once and I kept getting the red text error screen. It was not until I pasted everything into Notepad to check everything that I saw the hidden characters show up.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at June 21, 2020 01:36 PM (Do5/p)

306 If you want people to make compromises in one area,
you better produce a massive improvement in another area. Solar and
wind and pretty much every other non-nuclear power solution has not even
come close yet.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at June 21, 2020 01:30 PM (Do5/p)

Excellent point. Power and communication lines really are pretty ugly, but the trade-off is tremendous.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 21, 2020 01:36 PM (dLLD6)

307 291 The District of Columbia Nuclear power plant, owner operator, Mr. Burns. Chief Engineer, Homer. Three eyed fish in the Potomac!

Posted by: bill in arkansas at June 21, 2020 01:36 PM (C1Lsn)

308 A Chernobyl in DC would result in a better quality politician. Two heads and all that.
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 21, 2020 01:33 PM (ObWxz)

What we really need in DC ( although a chernobyl is enticing ) is a National Secrets Act like the British have

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 21, 2020 01:36 PM (85Gof)

309 I heard a nasty rumor that the Audubon Society gets a check to NOT fight windmills.
Posted by: Jean at June 21, 2020 01:34 PM (B7KlG)

That would be their winnings from trying to fight windmills. In court or out of court.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 21, 2020 01:36 PM (1g7ch)

310 All You Need Is Love. Well, maybe a little Back In the USSR as well.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 21, 2020 01:32 PM (+y/Ru)

It would be nice if we could get rid of Helter Skelter going on now

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 21, 2020 01:36 PM (cUUNR)

311 We could just go to sleep when it gets dark and get up when it gets light.

Posted by: Grump928� at June 21, 2020 01:28 PM (yQpMk)

No, that's just what they will be expecting!

Posted by: Rex Kramer at June 21, 2020 01:36 PM (q1Pj5)

312 A Chernobyl in DC would result in a better quality politician. Two heads and all that.
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 21, 2020 01:33 PM (ObWxz)

I was thinking of something smaller, and more sudden.

Posted by: Vanya at June 21, 2020 01:36 PM (BAsqb)

313 Sunday trolls... The lamest

Posted by: It's me donna at June 21, 2020 01:36 PM (Zmnko)

314 Well, its more of a physics principle than an idea.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 21, 2020 01:33 PM (r+sAi)

_________

Forget it, he's rolling ... ;-)

Posted by: ShainS at June 21, 2020 01:37 PM (WqPYg)

315 So now we have counter articles saying it wasn't the tiktok vids and fake sign-ups that tanked Trump's rally, it was the Virus fears and just Trump fatigue.

Sounds like Donkey Chompers McBigtits is trying to walk back her dumbassery to avoid a lawsuit. And an implication that she's leveraging some Chinese help via tik tok.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 21, 2020 01:37 PM (5JSVi)

316 After listening to AG Barr on Sunday Morning Futures this morning, I am convinced he is just going to run out the clock.
No one will be punished for anything.
As you were.

Posted by: attila the thrilla at June 21, 2020 01:37 PM (w7KSn)

317 So my wife's tooth is 100% better.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 21, 2020 01:34 PM (85Gof)

I can recommend a good dentist if you need one...

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 21, 2020 01:38 PM (dLLD6)

318 There seem to be a lot of people here who are concerned about Brad Parscale and want to see him removed. It's almost as if they fear having him in charge of the Trump campaign. Almost.

Posted by: pep at June 21, 2020 01:38 PM (v16oJ)

319
We should be emulating the Euros and their commitment to renewable, safe energy.

The Frogs get about 75% of their electrical power from nucular.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 21, 2020 01:38 PM (LoXTY)

320 How much energy could we produce by letting Guam tip over again and again like a big turbine?

Guamians might get tired though running from side to side so we may have to give them free internet.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 21, 2020 01:38 PM (r+sAi)

321 I love the smell of desperation trolls in the morning ... it smells like VICTORY in November!

Posted by: ShainS at June 21, 2020 01:38 PM (WqPYg)

322 So my wife's tooth is 100% better.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 21, 2020 01:34 PM (85Gof)

I can recommend a good dentist if you need one...

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 21, 2020 01:38 PM (dLLD6)

Well first of all: There are no good Dentists.

My big problem is how to charge the insurance for this? LOL

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 21, 2020 01:38 PM (85Gof)

323 Posted by: jwest at June 21, 2020 01:34 PM (mrrpT)

So...pretty much socialized energy production.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 21, 2020 01:39 PM (dLLD6)

324 Solar and wind generated power require back up generators for when the sun don't shine and the wind don't blow. Two guesses as to what is burned to keep them running?
Posted by: Javems

Unicorn Gary's decomp into water vapor - which is a stronger greenhouse gas that CO2

Posted by: Jean at June 21, 2020 01:40 PM (B7KlG)

325 300

226

So now we have counter articles saying it wasn't the tiktok vids and fake sign-ups that tanked Trump's rally, it was the Virus fears and just Trump fatigue.

Whatever the reason, there hasn't been a rally in modern history that ended up this big of a disaster.

Posted by: PennyRobinson at June 21, 2020 01:12 PM

Brad Parscale is trending on twitter, lol.

Has a campaign manager ever botched something this badly?

Posted by: sportswithnofans at June 21, 2020 01:34 PM

So I don't know what the finally number is for the Trump rally, but I can guess that it was at least 10 times the number of any of Biden's rallies, in-person or online.

So if virus scares supposedly kept people away from an in-person rally, what is their excuse for why Biden only pulls hundreds of viewers for his online campaign videos?

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at June 21, 2020 01:40 PM (Do5/p)

326 Guamians might get tired though running from side to side so we may have to give them free internet.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk

Simple solution: offer free spam on the uphill side.

Posted by: pep at June 21, 2020 01:40 PM (v16oJ)

327 317

This obvious about 12 months ago.

Posted by: Hotgas VIP Member at June 21, 2020 01:40 PM (9zYmr)

328 Gary's is Google for farts

Posted by: Jean at June 21, 2020 01:41 PM (B7KlG)

329 Well, there's a caveat about Notepad. If you're just typing into it, you're ok. But it will accept pasted-in symbols of the kind that will break a comment curly quotes and other symbols pasted into it .

So even then, you have to look out for them. Crap. Even Notepad++ did it. Idk.

Posted by: Hands at June 21, 2020 01:41 PM (786Ro)

330 Posted by: PennyRobinson at June 21, 2020 01:12 PM (AGpXp)

Heh. Stupid troll cznt.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 21, 2020 01:41 PM (k7vYu)

331 My big problem is how to charge the insurance for this? LOL

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 21, 2020 01:38 PM (85Gof)

Load the bill up with whitewalls, floor mats, undercoating, and ADM.

*ADM is Added Dentalhusband Markup

Posted by: Count de Monet at June 21, 2020 01:41 PM (q1Pj5)

332 Category five hurricanes have sustained winds over 156 mph with gusts that can exceed 200 mph. To date no offshore wind towers have been designed to withstand these sorts of winds.

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But, just think! When they can build a windmill tower that can withstand that, then you'll have LOTS of power...

...on the same day that all the power lines are down.

Posted by: RKae at June 21, 2020 01:41 PM (bZ7Kz)

333 And what must scare the devil out of Democrats is the number of online viewers!
6.7 million were watching President Trumps rally online last night!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 21, 2020 01:41 PM (85Gof)

334 Troll activity seems high.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at June 21, 2020 01:42 PM (Uu+Jp)

335 So...pretty much socialized energy production.

This is one of those areas where I think you could make a colorable argument for it. I have actually argued for subsidies on energy production rather than taxes. Since energy is a component of every single product or service, the boost in other taxable income activity of low energy prices would pay for the loss, I believe.

Posted by: Grump928© at June 21, 2020 01:42 PM (yQpMk)

336 335 Troll activity seems high.

Nothing compared to yesterday

Posted by: It's me donna at June 21, 2020 01:42 PM (Zmnko)

337 One problem they had in PA was people taking pot shots at the generating part on top of the tower. A got shot could disable a turbine. It happened often out in the woods where no one would see the shooter.
Posted by: Colin

Commie solutions work only if humans become perfect New Soviet Men. (Choose the best of them; gulag the rest of them.). But if we were wise and virtuous, capitalism would also create a paradise. Of course, so would fascism, monarchy and any other system ever devised by the kind of man. But man is not wise and virtuous nor are we in danger of a widespread pandemic of wisdom and virtue anytime in the near future.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 21, 2020 01:43 PM (+y/Ru)

338 Meh...we have enough fossil fuel to last another 200 years. Likely, it's much longer than that as more ways of extraction and origin are discovered.

So keep your pinwheels and shiny windows away from me.

Carry on.

Posted by: Orson at June 21, 2020 01:43 PM (OZdHS)

339 Hooray for Viginia's progressive government, aspiring to be the California of the east.
I may have to move...

Posted by: FrodoB-
Former otter wrangler at June 21, 2020 01:43 PM (dQF3z)

340 So even then, you have to look out for them. Crap. Even Notepad++ did it. Idk.

Look. You're a power user, act like one. Use Word. It's the only way to reliably and professionally Select-All, Copy, and then Paste.

Posted by: t-bird at June 21, 2020 01:43 PM (jacU8)

341 After listening to AG Barr on Sunday Morning Futures this morning, I am convinced he is just going to run out the clock. <<<<<<

I have been reliably informed that all the happenings will happen by late spring/early summer.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 21, 2020 01:44 PM (r+sAi)

342 Troll activity seems high.

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Trump's rally scared them.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 21, 2020 01:44 PM (+y/Ru)

343 Troll activity seems high.

-
Trump's rally scared them.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks

Or Barr

Posted by: Jean at June 21, 2020 01:44 PM (B7KlG)

344 317
After listening to AG Barr on Sunday Morning Futures this morning, I am convinced he is just going to run out the clock.

No one will be punished for anything.

As you were.

Posted by: attila the thrilla at June 21, 2020 01:37 PM (w7KSn)

_________

Yep. Had any of us been placed in the AG roll, heads would have started rolling immediately as a harbinger of things to come. That they didn't in the face of solid evidence of criminality was all I needed to know ...

Posted by: ShainS at June 21, 2020 01:44 PM (WqPYg)

345 After listening to AG Barr on Sunday Morning Futures
this morning, I am convinced he is just going to run out the clock.
<<<<<<

I have been reliably informed that all the happenings will happen by late spring/early summer.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 21, 2020 01:44 PM (r+sAi)

The sun is at its highest point in the sky for the year. Judge Smails is waiting . . .

Posted by: Count de Monet at June 21, 2020 01:46 PM (q1Pj5)

346 Hooray for Viginia's progressive government, aspiring to be the California of the east.
I may have to move...
Posted by: FrodoB-Former otter wrangler,

Ehh, Welcome to the Hotel Virginia just doesn't have the same cachet.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 21, 2020 01:46 PM (+y/Ru)

347 Had any of us been placed in the AG roll, heads would have started rolling immediately as a harbinger of things to come.

Some of the lower people are guilty of black letter law violations. I would have had them under indictment for 20-to-life offenses two years ago and squeezed them hard.

Posted by: Grump928© at June 21, 2020 01:46 PM (yQpMk)

348 334
And what must scare the devil out of Democrats is the number of online viewers!

6.7 million were watching President Trumps rally online last night!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 21, 2020 01:41 PM (85Gof)

________

First time my wife and I have ever watched one of his rallies in totality -- and first time since Reagan (with the one exception of GWB's post-9/11 speech) that I didn't automatically turn off any audio or video of a POTUS speaking.

Posted by: ShainS at June 21, 2020 01:48 PM (WqPYg)

349 I cant believe I passed up an opportunity to say that CBD was sitting on an ottoman, while nude.

693 CBD is nood
Posted by: BifBewalski - sinis est culus

Posted by: BifBewalski - sinis est culus at June 21, 2020 01:48 PM (VcFUs)

350 Trump's rally scared them.

I love it. Now they're stuck promoting Trump's rally numbers, employment numbers, and market numbers until the election. Because that's what they've set forth as the markers of success.

Posted by: t-bird at June 21, 2020 01:48 PM (SwCv8)

351 345 317
After listening to AG Barr on Sunday Morning Futures this morning, I am convinced he is just going to run out the clock.

No one will be punished for anything.

As you were.

Posted by: attila the thrilla at June 21, 2020 01:37 PM (w7KSn)

_________

Yep. Had any of us been placed in the AG roll, heads would have started rolling immediately as a harbinger of things to come. That they didn't in the face of solid evidence of criminality was all I needed to know ...
Posted by: ShainS at June 21, 2020 01:44 PM (WqPYg)

___________________________

I would have said that 2 days ago...but this Berman thing was out of left field. So much hinges in NYC. Ukraine, Clinton Foundation, Weiner laptop, Mueller set up's...

Nadler talking up the impeachment of Barr is a pretty good ruse if they are looking to run out the clock.

I think Barr has his targets and it will likely excludes people we think should be served their just desserts. But, I think some of the upper elite are going to need to lawyer up shortly. Comey, for one, sure didn't waste any time trying to tear down Barr in an OpEd relative to the Berman firing. I think he's one who is a target.

Posted by: Orson at June 21, 2020 01:49 PM (OZdHS)

352 Republicans don't know how to do lawfare.

Posted by: Grump928© at June 21, 2020 01:50 PM (yQpMk)

353 The adhesives/resin matrices and the materials used to make those blades is pretty nasty stuff, and you have to wear respirators and PPE to handle it. (well, not mention to avoid any kind of foreign matter or moisture contamination during processing too). I can't imagine what kind of system you'd need to safely burn those things.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 21, 2020 01:24 PM (5JSVi)

Well, you are supposed to wear that shit when you lay up a fiberglass dinghy in your garage, too. It's just a question of scale. Burn it in an enclosed firebox, with plenty of forced air, and particulate screens on the flue.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 21, 2020 01:50 PM (k7vYu)

354 Why "socialize" even to the extent of $1 anything here? There are no public goods involved, abundant energy/cheap energy is one of the greatest drivers of prosperity, and there are readily available sources of such energy - coal and natgas. And they probably are much better than nukes, "better" taking in all considerations of cost (real cost).

The whole problem with all of the idiotic power-mad technically and economically undesirable schemes currently afflicting society (imposing unnecessary costs and reducing prosperity) is that they do not make economic sense, and separately that they are based on fake science WRT environmental impact.

The nukes thing looks like it is just another version of one of those schemes. Working from the ground up, actual costs, etc., I don't think nuke-centric competes with the boring "fossil fuel" methods. That's all that matters.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 21, 2020 01:51 PM (El6T/)

355 Posted by: Clyde Shelton at June 21, 2020 01:40 PM (Do5/p)

Don't cut and paste the trolls.
Don't cut and paste the trolls.Don't cut and paste the trolls.Don't cut and paste the trolls.Don't cut and paste the trolls.Don't cut and paste the trolls.Don't cut and paste the trolls.Don't cut and paste the trolls.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 21, 2020 01:51 PM (dLLD6)

356 345 Yep. Had any of us been placed in the AG roll, heads
would have started rolling immediately as a harbinger of things to
come. That they didn't in the face of solid evidence of criminality was
all I needed to know ...

Posted by: ShainS at June 21, 2020 01:44 PM (WqPYg)

There was an article earlier today where he said a lot of stuff had been going on in that investigation of the bogus Russia BS but the MFM was not covering it.

Posted by: Vic at June 21, 2020 01:52 PM (mpXpK)

357 Simple solution: offer free spam on the uphill side. <<<<<
Now that's the kind of thinking we need. Princeton can use a person like you.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 21, 2020 01:52 PM (r+sAi)

358 After listening to AG Barr on Sunday Morning Futures
this morning, I am convinced he is just going to run out the clock.

I have been reliably informed that all the happenings will happen by late spring/early summer.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 21, 2020 01:44 PM (r+sAi)

The sun is at its highest point in the sky for the year. Judge Smails is waiting . . .
Posted by: Count de Monet at June 21, 2020 01:46 PM (q1Pj5)

Late spring is over. About 18 hours into the summer now... how long before early summer is not a thing?

Posted by: BurtTC at June 21, 2020 01:52 PM (hku12)

359 Some of the lower people are guilty of black letter
law violations. I would have had them under indictment for 20-to-life
offenses two years ago and squeezed them hard.

Posted by: Grump928� at June 21, 2020 01:46 PM (yQpMk)

_________

Exactly.

Posted by: ShainS at June 21, 2020 01:53 PM (WqPYg)

360 Late spring is over. About 18 hours into the summer now... how long before early summer is not a thing

He said today maybe late Summer

Posted by: It's me donna at June 21, 2020 01:53 PM (Zmnko)

361 "He said today maybe late Summer"

Like I said. Running out the clock.

Posted by: attila the thrilla at June 21, 2020 01:54 PM (w7KSn)

362 Posted by: sportswithnofans at June 21, 2020 01:34 PM (qiGB6)

Heh. Tag-teaming troll-fag.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 21, 2020 01:54 PM (k7vYu)

363
early late mid mid summer

but never at dusk...

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 21, 2020 01:54 PM (0RgH2)

364 Republicans don't know how to do lawfare.
Posted by: Grump928� at June 21, 2020 01:50 PM (yQpMk)

A principle not unrelated to America's efforts at spying.

The Soviets were exponentially better at it than we were.

And now, some of that Soviet know-how is part of why we have a deep state. Asking Trump to fix it all is unrealistic, and probably doomed to fail.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 21, 2020 01:55 PM (hku12)

365 I have actually argued for subsidies on energy
production rather than taxes.

Posted by: Grump928� at June 21, 2020 01:42 PM (yQpMk)

NO. NO. NO.

Decrease regulation to that which mandates a certain minimum safety level, and protect them from frivolous delays. Everything else should be market-driven. That's the only subsidy the nuclear power industry needs. If they can't figure out how to do it without government subsidy or environmental whacko interference, then maybe we don't need it.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 21, 2020 01:55 PM (dLLD6)

366 The rally last night was awesome. I try and watch every minute of every one.

Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2020 01:56 PM (MVjcR)

367 Heh. Tag-teaming troll-fag.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 21, 2020 01:54 PM (k7vYu)

Won't it be hard to find someone willing to agree with you on this?

Rally troll: Actually it'll be super easy, barely an inconvenience.

Posted by: VPN and Socks at June 21, 2020 01:57 PM (hku12)

368 Republicans don't know how to do lawfare.
Posted by: Grump928
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I urge donations to Judicial Watch.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 21, 2020 01:57 PM (ELgVT)

369 There are a bunch of wind turbines in Eastern North Carolina. But they are all on the mainland behind the wall of the Outer Banks.

That part of the state is either swamp or farmland so really flat and not many folks around it.

There is also a prison that they surrounded with wind turbines. Not sure if the blades go low enough to discourage escape attempts.

Posted by: Big V Caffeinated at June 21, 2020 01:57 PM (eMtQa)

370 He said today maybe late Summer <<<<

The key word in that sentence is "maybe". I say this to my kids alot.

And yet, they still made me a wonderful breakfast of cinnamon rolls and sausage. I am blessed.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 21, 2020 01:57 PM (r+sAi)

371 OT: That Batman documentary (sidebar link) is REALLY good.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Michigangsta at June 21, 2020 01:57 PM (Dc2NZ)

372 LOL... Boltons book was "accidentally" released in PDF form so you can download it for free....

Posted by: It's me donna at June 21, 2020 01:57 PM (Zmnko)

373 It's Washington DC- you have nothing to fear from the law unless you are a Republican

then you may expect the full iron maiden treatment

Posted by: DB- just DB at June 21, 2020 01:57 PM (iTXRQ)

374 The rally last night was awesome. I try and watch every minute of every one.
Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2020 01:56 PM (MVjcR)

I might look for Trump's part today. I find the warmup acts impossible to watch.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 21, 2020 01:58 PM (hku12)

375 Republicans don't know how to do lawfare.

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A conscience is a terrible thing to have.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 21, 2020 02:00 PM (+y/Ru)

376 I might look for Trump's part today. I find the warmup acts impossible to watch.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 21, 2020 01:58 PM (hku12)
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I meant every minute of the Trump part!

Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2020 02:00 PM (MVjcR)

377 Soros is taking advantage of the retarded in his troll army.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at June 21, 2020 02:00 PM (Uu+Jp)

378 Don't cut and paste the trolls.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
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Listen up, Morons. The last time we got this warning, bad things happened. As one astute 'ron observer stated, 'Do NOT taunt the Dildo.'

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 21, 2020 02:00 PM (ELgVT)

379 I urge donations to Judicial Watch.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 21, 2020 01:57 PM (ELgVT)

_________

I've half-jokingly suggested here numerous times that Trump replace the DOJ with Judicial Watch, with Tom Fitton as AG (yes, I know he would never be confirmed by the Senate).

Posted by: ShainS at June 21, 2020 02:00 PM (WqPYg)

380 early to mid- late summer is my favorite time of year

I also like early late, late middle, high middle and mid late spring

Posted by: DB- just DB at June 21, 2020 02:01 PM (iTXRQ)

381 375 The rally last night was awesome. I try and watch every minute of every one.
Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2020 01:56 PM (MVjcR)

I might look for Trump's part today. I find the warmup acts impossible to watch.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 21, 2020 01:58 PM (hku12)

I just found it here, BurtTC, via PDT's Twitter page. I'm going to go watch it now, too.

https://www.pscp.tv/w/1YpKkNRnyydxj?t=1s

Posted by: m at June 21, 2020 02:02 PM (Ij+4T)

382 early to mid- late summer is my favorite time of year

I also like early late, late middle, high middle and mid late spring
Posted by: DB- just DB

So winter is right out?

Posted by: BifBewalski - sinis est culus at June 21, 2020 02:02 PM (VcFUs)

383 373
LOL... Boltons book was "accidentally" released in PDF form so you can download it for free....

Posted by: It's me donna at June 21, 2020 01:57 PM (Zmnko)

_________

Bolton, his lawyers, and his publishers should be accidentally no-knock raided and arrested at 4 a.m. with a SWAT team and OANN cameras rolling ...

Posted by: ShainS at June 21, 2020 02:03 PM (WqPYg)

384
I also like early late, late middle, high middle and mid late spring
Posted by: DB- just DB

So winter is right out?

Winter would be a bit too late... especially, God forbid, Biden were to win... It would be buried

Posted by: It's me donna at June 21, 2020 02:03 PM (Zmnko)

385 Don't cut and paste the trolls, unless you know where they are and can do it literally. With something sharp. And something very sticky.

/jk

Posted by: Hands at June 21, 2020 02:03 PM (786Ro)

386 >So winter is right out?
Posted by: BifBewalski -

winter is just wrong
seriously, I'd live in the desert if I could

Posted by: DB- just DB at June 21, 2020 02:03 PM (iTXRQ)

387 Bolton, his lawyers, and his publishers should be accidentally no-knock raided and arrested at 4 a.m. with a SWAT team and OANN cameras rolling ...

Agreed

Posted by: It's me donna at June 21, 2020 02:04 PM (Zmnko)

388 The left is freaking out AGAIN over a PDT joke...the part about the numbers going up because of to much testing and maybe we aughta cut back...fuckin idiots.

Just like the joke about asking the russians for The FAB's emails.

What a bunch of fucking idiot children

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 21, 2020 02:04 PM (85Gof)

389 Love this:

AG William Barr responds to SDNY attorney Geoffrey Berman: "Unfortunately, with your statement of last night, you have chosen public spectacle over public service... I have asked the President to remove you as of today, and he has done so."

A lot of stuff in the SDNY, a lot of Clinton stuff.

Posted by: t-bird at June 21, 2020 02:04 PM (ZS2+d)

390 AG Barr says late spring or early summer?

Per Chance.

"Yes. In the garden, growth has it seasons. First comes spring and summer, but then we have fall and winter. And then we get spring and summer again."

Posted by: Hands at June 21, 2020 02:06 PM (786Ro)

391 Trump rally over an hour and a half. Biden can't do a minute and a half.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 21, 2020 02:06 PM (r+sAi)

392 I don't think nukes make the cut when one applies, as CBD and I suggest and as makes obvious sense, simple, real metrics of cost. The way any other actually rational decision is made in an economy.

Natural gas whens the first-look test, but part of that is the conversion to it in the last few decades for irrational reasons (coal-killing "regulation"). I would think the race is only between gas and coal for several decades at least. I doubt nukes even get close to making the cut.

In any case, it should all be driven by hard numbers and real engineering, costs, and science.

And imagine how pathetic it is to have to even make that last statement - that is how far our rich but dumbed-down society has drifted from the rationality that made us so prosperous.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 21, 2020 02:07 PM (El6T/)

393 LOL... Boltons book was "accidentally" released in PDF form so you can download it for free...

...and then Trump will release the transcripts and we'll find that Bolton leaked false information. Thank you for your service, John, we'll roll 'em up from here!

Posted by: t-bird at June 21, 2020 02:07 PM (8DRUP)

394 As long as the roots are not severed, all is well. And all will be well in the garden.

Posted by: Barr the Gardener at June 21, 2020 02:07 PM (786Ro)

395 What a bunch of fucking idiot children

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 21, 2020 02:04 PM (85Gof)

Ah...you've met my relatives.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 21, 2020 02:07 PM (dLLD6)

396 The problem with ALL renewables is their unreliability.

The sun doesn't always shine even in the day; as I write this, it's cloudy here in SoCal, and our solar panels are producing bupkis.

And the wind doesn't always blow. In fact, here in California generally, the winds are onshore; as the inland areas heat up, the air rises, which sucks in cool air from the ocean. So cloudy days tend to knock out both solar AND wind.

Last, wind turbines are ugly. Yeah, onesie twosie they're kinda cool, but when there's a whole boatload of them - as in the San Gorgonio Pass - they're ugly. They resemble fungal mycelia growing on a piece of bread.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 21, 2020 02:08 PM (X6HIX)

397 So Black Lives don't matter in Chicago... 9 dead including a 3 year old and 56 wounded.. But forget about that, let's riot over a two bit hood and make him a Saint...

Posted by: It's me donna at June 21, 2020 02:09 PM (Zmnko)

398 Did Barr *really* say late summer?

It's always perilous - one reason you almost never see it - for AGs or prosecutors or anyone to predict timing of investigations/indictments. Can't recall another time I've even seen it on such a high-profile case. Was kind of shocked when Barr gave his first forecast.

And now, this.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 21, 2020 02:09 PM (El6T/)

399 DLed Bolton's screed from Google, just for fun. PDF file, 35 MB worth of garbage.

Posted by: lizabth at June 21, 2020 02:09 PM (L3Rsz)

400 The visual of McConnell , Barasso, Thune, Cornyn always standing mute and empty, full of nothing. Dead souls watching America burn to the ground. Lifeless grifters already in their graves. Nuke D.C. We , I don't care.

Posted by: azalea city at June 21, 2020 02:09 PM (2o3/j)

401 I don't think nukes make the cut when one applies,
as CBD and I suggest and as makes obvious sense, simple, real metrics of
cost. The way any other actually rational decision is made in an
economy.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 21, 2020 02:07 PM (El6T/)

I think with standardization of design, production and training of operators it can make economic sense, but only if the regualtory and lawfare climate changes significantly.

But, as you say, the market should be the arbiter.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 21, 2020 02:10 PM (dLLD6)

402 Trump rally over an hour and a half. Biden can't do a minute and a half.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk

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Are you kidding?

Biden can do a minute and a half on one sentence!

"...Uh... what the... the thing... you know... the thing... is... c'mon, man, everyone knows the thing...."

Posted by: RKae at June 21, 2020 02:10 PM (bZ7Kz)

403 400 DLed Bolton's screed from Google, just for fun. PDF file, 35 MB worth of garbage.

Good part is Bolton doesn't get money for this

Posted by: It's me donna at June 21, 2020 02:10 PM (Zmnko)

404 Exactly, Donna.
Whoopsie, Google...that darn cloud!

Posted by: lizabth at June 21, 2020 02:11 PM (L3Rsz)

405 The #CancelYale hashtag on twatter is glorious

Posted by: vmom 2020 at June 21, 2020 02:11 PM (WwTwF)

406 I don't think nukes make the cut when one applies, as CBD and I suggest and as makes obvious sense, simple, real metrics of cost.

The economics of nuclear energy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UC_BCz0pzMw

I hate to give this Warmer clicks, but this is a good analysis of the economics.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 21, 2020 02:11 PM (X6HIX)

407 Everybody with a Yale degree is racist!

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 21, 2020 02:12 PM (r+sAi)

408 I am loving Jesse Kelly's request on Twitter that Yale be cancelled due to its slave-trading founder. If you haven't looked, it's worth a gander. Endowment= reparations!

Posted by: lizabth at June 21, 2020 02:12 PM (L3Rsz)

409 Actually Jay I'd say "renewables" fail long before one even considers their reliability (or constant availability/suitability for grid base power, I think is the narrower issue).

THERE IS NO RATIONALE FOR THEM, based on cost or anything else.

There is no value or point to limiting CO2 emissions. Period.

Therefore there is no basis for *any* of this crap, unless driven purely by cost or engineering/location factors (isolated areas and niche applications, like road signs, may benefit from solar, etc).

Even if the laws of physics were repealed and idiotic "renewables" were perfect replacements for coal-fired power plants to create grid base power, they still wouldn't be serious choices because their costs are much higher, $/MW.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 21, 2020 02:13 PM (El6T/)

410

So, the CIA has a civilian advisory board.
Wonder who might have served on that board.

Wonder how some of the info gained from that might have already been used.
Wonder how more might be used in the future.

Posted by: TeeJ at June 21, 2020 02:14 PM (O67g7)

411 But destroying the natural beauty of great swaths of America while simultaneously reducing the standard of living of many Americans so that elitist asses in NY and DC and San Francisco can preen and crow and brag about how green they are while flying around in their private jets is simply a non starter.

Posted by: CBD at 12:15 PM

Sure, it's the .1%ers who are pushing, especially if they have a profit agenda. Those are the actual elite hypocrites, but what else do you expect from amoral folks whose only goal is self-enrichment?
The troublesome ones are the average to below average college educated people who side with elites to social signal their allegience to the elite's value system hoping for reflected "eliteness". Bad turn of phrase, but I'm sure you know what I mean by that.

If such a percentage of Americans, and Westerners in general, weren't so invested in their self___ as elite they'd perhaps be able to think through these issues and see how foolish the elite "fixes" for these so-called problems are.

Course it'll never happen.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 21, 2020 02:14 PM (z79tQ)

412 Harvard Crimson did a piece on how Harvard was built on slavery, so they need to be cancelled, too.

Posted by: lizabth at June 21, 2020 02:15 PM (L3Rsz)

413 Coal, oil, and natural gas are, what, solar energy from the Carboniferous? I'm Paleo Green, man!

Posted by: t-bird at June 21, 2020 02:16 PM (8DRUP)

414 ___ above was actually image. Don't know why it came out the way it did.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 21, 2020 02:16 PM (z79tQ)

415 Well I'd be stunned if a real, undistorted comparison had nukes anywhere close to coal and natgas plants on $/MW - but I'm utterly indifferent to the choice, as CBD says it's a straight cost decision, go with the lower one.

The abundance of energy fuels in America (we could fuel our entire electric grid for generations by *any one* of coal, gas, nukes) means low- to no-risk decisions with regard to "externalities" - energy "independence", national security, even technological risk.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 21, 2020 02:17 PM (El6T/)

416 After listening to AG Barr on Sunday Morning Futures this morning, I am convinced he is just going to run out the clock.
No one will be punished for anything.
As you were.
Posted by: attila the thrilla at June 21, 2020 01:37 PM (w7KSn)

So, an accessory after the fact.

Or was it 'after the fact'?

Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 21, 2020 02:18 PM (1g7ch)

417 414 ___ above was actually image. Don't know why it came out the way it did.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 21, 2020 02:16 PM (z79tQ)

It's a safety feature. Capitalize the letter string IMG and it will go through.

Posted by: m at June 21, 2020 02:18 PM (Ij+4T)

418 Hillary was up by 50 points at this stage of her campaign. Going to be a short bus for Joe!

Posted by: t-bird at June 21, 2020 02:19 PM (XHrkn)

419 Nood, we're up to Treize, for those with triksadekaphobie.

Posted by: t-bird at June 21, 2020 02:21 PM (XHrkn)

420 PDT looks great at the rally. He is really in his element among the people.

Posted by: m at June 21, 2020 02:22 PM (Ij+4T)

421 Posted by: BurtTC at June 21, 2020 01:58 PM (hku12)

I just found it here, BurtTC, via PDT's Twitter page. I'm going to go watch it now, too.

https://www.pscp.tv/w/1YpKkNRnyydxj?t=1s

Posted by: m at June 21, 2020 02:02 PM (Ij+4T)

Thanks!

Posted by: BurtTC at June 21, 2020 02:26 PM (hku12)

422 Last, wind turbines are ugly. Yeah, onesie twosie
they're kinda cool, but when there's a whole boatload of them - as in
the San Gorgonio Pass - they're ugly. They resemble fungal mycelia
growing on a piece of bread.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 21, 2020 02:08 PM (X6HIX)

I drove through there years ago. Was impressed with the madness. How long is the pass littered with these things?

Look up San Gorgonio Pass windmill farms you'll see what Mr Guevara means.

Posted by: Javems at June 21, 2020 02:27 PM (ofIwF)

423 "I'm tired of my state being in the news."

Well, there's one more Virginia story I want to be in the news: Goobernor Coonman Babykiller being run out of office for being the racist asshole he is. How the hell can that ass, whose med school yearbook photo had a pic of him dressed up either in blackface or a klan hood (he can't remember which!), still be in office?

Posted by: Drink Like Vikings at June 21, 2020 02:27 PM (Fv50b)

424 Actually Jay I'd say "renewables" fail long before one even considers their reliability (or constant availability/suitability for grid base power, I think is the narrower issue).

Posted by: rhomboid at June 21, 2020 02:13 PM (El6T/)

No argument here. The tell is that the "renewables" need subsidies to compete at all.

One fundamental problem that the Warmers fail to address: owing to the unreliability of the renewables, we'd STILL need gas/coal-fired power plants to take up the slack when the "renewables" take a powder.

It's rare that anyone takes that factor into consideration, viz., the need to build essentially TWO parallel systems for power generation.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 21, 2020 02:30 PM (X6HIX)

425 394 LOL... Boltons book was "accidentally" released in PDF form so you can download it for free...

...and then Trump will release the transcripts and we'll find that Bolton leaked false information. Thank you for your service, John, we'll roll 'em up from here!
Posted by: t-bird at June 21, 2020 02:07 PM (8DRUP)

A) if it's false info, then he hasn't "leaked" anything, he's just made a bunch of stupid shit up, and...
B) if it's available on PDF for free, all the royalties Bolton thought he was going to make on book sales just went away. Except for the grift/payoffs from the moneymen who put him up to this, and who will buy a million copies just to dump them in a landfill.

as to just one of his allegations, I believe that the idea that Israel wanted to attack Iran, but Kushner stopped it by blocking calls to Trump is a ludicrous and downright silly idea, on every level. Israel had no need to openly attack Iran; if they had indeed decided to do so, they would never have given anyone else a veto power over their military response. It's fan-fic of the worst kind.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 21, 2020 02:33 PM (V2Yro)

426 Wind Farms Are Awesome! When I drive past them I feel my virtue swelling my head as Global Catastrophe is Stopped!!! Painted white, the are a symbol of White Power, er, oh wait.

Posted by: Hal Dall MD at June 21, 2020 02:49 PM (11xNI)

427 Note that the wind machines generally do not generate power in winds over about 30mph, the blades look productive, but are disconnected from the turbines, fooling the warmist fools.

Posted by: Hal Dall MD at June 21, 2020 02:53 PM (11xNI)

428 Wind mills are reversible. You can put electricity in to them and produce a wind when there isn't one. That way you could have half the windmills driving the other half when their is no wind. You deplorables are so stupid.
Antifa and BLM have all the answers - who needs STEM?

Posted by: An Observation at June 21, 2020 02:58 PM (gxcpb)

429 How long until Antifa pulls down wind turbines as monuments to stupidity?

Posted by: An Observation at June 21, 2020 02:59 PM (gxcpb)

430 Random thought. The scariest part of The Dirty Dozen is when Maggot (Telly Savalas) goes crazy (short walk) and kills that Kraut chick. Both Maggot and the chick give very believable performances in that scene. Kraut chick is a cutie.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 21, 2020 03:02 PM (+y/Ru)

431 Forget it Jake, it's Virginia.

Posted by: Lawrence Walsh at June 21, 2020 03:21 PM (Jj+59)

432 Wind farm, animal farm, four blades good, two blades bad

Posted by: Lawrence Walsh at June 21, 2020 03:22 PM (Jj+59)

433 It's not a state it's a commonwealth.

Posted by: Lawrence Walsh at June 21, 2020 03:23 PM (Jj+59)

434 As an estimator in the Oil Gas construction industry, my general rule-of-thumb was that when you say "marine environment" you need to add three zeros to the construction estimate. The marine environment is tough, tough, tough. Not just Construction either: Maintenance Operations will be at a premium. Whatever subsidies you thought you'd need for this project....multiply them by 1,000.

Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at June 21, 2020 03:36 PM (17+9D)

435 Brett Farve just might be one of the dumbest men alive
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Hear, Hear!

Posted by: Jim Acosta at June 21, 2020 03:44 PM (+U5Yr)

436 Brett Farve just might be one of the dumbest men alive
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Ain't that the truth!

Posted by: Brian Stelter at June 21, 2020 03:45 PM (+U5Yr)

437 Brett Farve just might be one of the dumbest men alive

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

What am I, chopped liver?

Posted by: Fredo Cumono at June 21, 2020 03:47 PM (+U5Yr)

438
you better believe they bought up as many politicians as it will take to RAM it through.

BOHICA.
Posted by: Beverly

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From both sides of the aisle, no doubt.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at June 21, 2020 04:06 PM (G51Gf)

439 Sorry I'm late, but here's this:https://www.masterresource.org/uncategorized/wind-news-update-denmarks-anti-wind-problem/

Posted by: scottst at June 21, 2020 06:10 PM (dsC2Q)

440
"I think we could solve a lot of our problems if we put a nuclear reactor in Washington DC. It wouldn't have to even run very long-- less than a second-- but it would generate LOTS of power."
i was playing Sid Meier's Civilization IV and it turned out if i wanted to launch my Centauri probe, DC needed a thermonuclear enema. I walked around for weeks with a happy grin.. I believe I was playing as the Zulu Empire...

Posted by: Belisarius at June 21, 2020 06:11 PM (B1JrQ)

441 If 800 wind turbines generate only enough power to operate a resuscitator for a helplessly ill baby it will be worth the cost.

Why do you hate helpless sick babies?

Posted by: Mike at June 21, 2020 07:03 PM (lurxo)

442 Power companies love offshore wind:
1. Taxpayers subsidize the capex.
2. Inflated prices are passed through to customers.
3. When the wind blows the wrong way spot grid prices soar until swing gas generation is brought online.
4. When the wind blows the right way spot electricity prices crash to zero till swing gas generation can be shut down.
5. Industrial customers pay for long-term supply contracts based on the volatility of spot electricity.
6. Industrial demand is highly predictable and not subject to (3) & (4).
7. Taxpayers will again be called on to subsidize decommissioning.

Like high speed rail, any politician touting offshore wind is a crook *and* a fool.

Posted by: Deflated at June 21, 2020 07:49 PM (tDyAh)

443 Those turbines will produce a substantial amount of energy but they require constant maintenance and re-powering (replacing old turbines with new). They are machines with moving parts and use a lot of oil. So if the greenies are able to accomplish their goal of shutting down oil production, how will the turbines run? It's ironic that environmentalists object to the oil rigs in the ocean off Santa Barbara, and the elites along the coast will not abide turbines in their communities (that's for us rubes inland), but they think that many square miles of turbines are beautiful.

Posted by: tforeman88 at June 21, 2020 08:13 PM (D8IHO)

444 Those turbines will produce a substantial amount of energy but they require constant maintenance and re-powering (replacing old turbines with new). They are machines with moving parts and use a lot of oil. So if the greenies are able to accomplish their goal of shutting down oil production, how will the turbines run? It's ironic that environmentalists object to the oil rigs in the ocean off Santa Barbara, and the elites along the coast will not abide turbines in their communities (that's for us rubes inland), but they think that many square miles of turbines on the ocean are beautiful.

Posted by: tforeman88 at June 21, 2020 08:18 PM (D8IHO)

445 "There are long periods of no wind, which would mean long blackouts. There are also significant threats of such high winds"

And, don't forget that putting them way offshore makes them much more vulnerable to our adversaries, who could just sail up and drop them with some gunfire (3" or such) or some C-4.

Posted by: GWB at June 21, 2020 09:16 PM (mRtYs)

446 Another good point about these supersized "wind" turbines is that constructing them emits a large amount of wonderful CO2. Just think of all the concrete needed for the tower, both above the ocean, in the ocean, and in the ground below. They may cause emission of more CO2 than they save.

Posted by: Roland Hirsch at June 21, 2020 10:52 PM (oMkPq)

447 The increase in force from air speed is not the second power, it is the fourth power.

Posted by: rammer at June 22, 2020 12:10 AM (2zsBI)

448 I agree on the standardized power plants, but as far as critical staffing... Use the Navy!
They have a nearly perfect safety record, and if they go on strike you can shoot them.
Think of all the good blue and white collar jobs that would be created too. Welders, electricians, engineers. Lot of a jobs that flat out could not be exported of staffed with H1B's.

Posted by: Anon at June 23, 2020 02:44 AM (doKL/)

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