Gun Thread: Load Development Edition! [Weasel]

Earlier in the week I noticed a comment and question from our pal Xipe Totec in another thread about reloading and load development, and it's a subject I've been meaning to write about for some time. One of the fun aspects of reloading is experimenting with new powder and bullet combinations to find an accurate load. With common sense and by following some basic rules, this can be a rewarding aspect of the reloading hobby. Also, we haven't had a long and bigly boring Gun Thread topic in a while which is reason enough. Let's find out more below, shall we?

Here is Xipe's (can I call you Xipe?) comment, observations and question.

Question for reloaders;
Ever notice some serious discrepancies in various reloading manuals? Case in point: I am working up loads for my 7.62 X 54R. In my oldest Sierra manual a max load of IMR 3031 is 44.4 grains with 150 grain bullet. 2700 fps. I have another manual that lists the max load at 50 grains with this bullet with a MV of 3000 fps. The Sierra load seems quite mild. I doubt the 2700 fps. I want a MV of 2700 with a 20" barrel. I suppose I will start using my chronograph and the max Sierra load and start loading up and checking for signs of excessive pressure until I get the 2700 fps.
Any thoughts?
Posted by: Xipe Totec-Death to AntiFa!

So there is a lot to unpack here. First, yes, there can be significant variances between different reloading manuals for what seems to be the exact same load and bullet, generally with some overlap, and there are a few reasons for this. In no particular order they are; differences in ballistic testing equipment, powder profiles which change over time, and lawyers. There are probably some more, but these will get us started.

Different testing labs use different equipment which can and do result in different observations. These are generally listed in a manual's load section and at a minimum contain information on the weapon or test barrel used. Even if everything is the same, differences in published information will be noted. Powder manufacturers tweak powder profiles from time to time, so it's best to only use current manuals. Although it's fun to collect and read older manuals, the information they contain should always be cross-checked against other, more recent, information. Finally, although the reloading manuals are written by reloaders, they are reviewed by company attorneys who are typically risk-adverse. Depending on how risk-adverse plays a big part in what makes it into the final manual edition.

Xipe goes on to observe two different manuals showing different recommended powder charge weights for the same bullet. All reloaders have heard the advice to start low and work up, which simply means to begin testing at the low end of a given range and work up incrementally looking for pressure signs indicating the maximum load has been achieved. This is very good advice.

Practical Application
Well that's all fine and dandy, but how does a reloader determine the very best load? In Xipe's example above, he's looking for a velocity around 2,700 fps. For most applications when researching loads for a particular cartridge you'll get some sense of the conventional wisdom for optimum velocities whether it's from reloading manuals or other sources. NOTE: Always confirm "other sources" against published data! It's then a simple matter to start at a lighter charge and work up until the desired velocity is achieved. If you get to 2,700 fps and you like the results at 2,700 fps, then you're good to go. But how do we know the optimum velocity for that particular rifle isn't 2,750 fps, or 2,775 fps? In other words, how do you determine the right load for your particular firearm?

From here on out we'll be discussing rifle loads, although many of the same concepts apply to handgun loads. At the greater distances where rifles are employed, load development becomes much more mportant, while not so much at 25 yards with a handgun. You're just going to have to trust me when I say that every single rifle barrel is different. I have my match barrels cut from consecutive sections of bar stock and chambered with my own reamer, and they still shoot differently and each requires a different load for maximum performance. The reasons are complicated and involve a science known as interior ballistics and a large part of that involves the harmonics of the barrel when a shot is fired. Barrel harmonics is simply a term used to describe how a barrel flexes and torques as a bullet passes through it.

For every single rifle where I want to maximize potential, I develop a custom load. As you have seen in some of the videos, I still shoot commercial or surplus ammunition for funsies, but when it really counts, I'm shooting handloads. So what is the process? How do you develop the best custom load for your rifle?

Load Development and the Audette Ladder Test - The Weasel Way
So you have a new rifle and you want to get the best possible performance. You're not necessarily going to compete, but you are curious just how accurate your rifle can be. You have researched various published reloading data, and talked to some of your shooting buddies using the same caliber, and have determined the popular powder BOOM! and bullet X works well at a velocity of around 2,900 fps. There are two steps to the process; determining powder charge weight and the bullet jump. Powder charge weight is self explanatory, and bullet jump is simply the distance the bullet travels in the throat of the chamber before engaging the rifling. First you determine the most stable charge weight and next you determine the best bullet jump at that powder weight. Easy peasy.

Let's say your initial research has shown a charge weight of around 48.0gr of BOOM! should result in a muzzle velocity around 2,900 fps. I would bracket that target charge weight, and begin loading at 47.0 gr and work up to maybe 50.0gr in 3/10ths of a grain increments. When shooting the series at a horizontal line on a target at 100yds, you would expect each consecutively higher charge weight, with each step theoretically traveling at a higher velocity, to result in a higher impact point on target. So if you start on the left side and work to the right, you should see a relatively straight line of impacts moving higher as you go to the right with heavier loads. With me so far?

Instead, what you get is this:

Interpreting the Results
Well that's not a straight line at all. In fact the bullet impact points seemingly move up and down randomly, without a correlation to the powder charge weight. What gives? Shenanigans! What you're seeing is that some charge weights do not perform well with the harmonics of your particular barrel. What you're looking for is an "accuracy node" or the place in the series which shows the least vertical dispersion, or a flat spot, in consecutive shots. This is where you want to be. It can be very subtle, and there are often multiple nodes in a given range of powder, but look at the impacts between 48.3 and 48.9 gr, where there is very little change in the vertical separation. It means that in this range the powder charge is the most stable and offers the greatest consistency. It also means that changes in atmospheric conditions, or imprecise techniques at the reloading bench, will have the least effect on vertical dispersion on the target. I generally choose a load in the lower third of this range. I always shoot two series of this test, considering and comparing both to rule out any variables caused by my marksmanship, and it is imperitive this test be conducted from a bench with as stable a firing platform as possible. You will also notice I haven't mentioned measuring velocities at all. Velocities are fine to target a desired load range, but what is important is what happens on the target.

Bullet Jump
So with that, let's say you have decided on 48.5 gr as the powder charge in the node showing the greatest stability. Next you need to tune the load to your particular barrel. For this, you will need three tools that aren't terribly expensive, although I will tell you they require a bit of practice to use correctly. They are the Stoney Point or Length Gauge , a caliber specific modified case, and a bullet comparator. You'll also need a good set of calipers.

I'm not going to go into a long explanation on using the Stoney Point tool because it's difficult to describe, it would take about two thousand words, and it would still suck. Instead, here is a decent video on its use:

I like the bullet comparator I linked above, but any one that measures the ogive of the bullet, or the point where bearing surface changes into a curve, will work. You're looking for the point on the bullet that first touches the rifling. Measuring the overall length, or OAL, is imprecise and not recommended due to tolerance differences found in the hollowpoint bullet manufacturing process. I also don't care for bullet ogive comarators which attach to calipers because they can create inconsistent measurements.

Once you have practiced using the tools and can generate consistent measurement results with zero jump, or with the bullet ogive just touching the rifling, you load a series of live cartridges with increasing jump (deeper seating) in .003" steps. You can use any increment you like, but I find .003" steps work well for me. Again, I load two sets bracketing what I think is going to be the right jump based on research or my experience, and fire them on separate targets in 3 round groups. The result looks like this:

As you can see, I tested a jump range of .006" to .021" using exactly the same powder charge. These are all three round groups fired at 100 yards. Which one would you choose? Call me crazy, but I went with a bullet jump of .015" and all three bullets going into a single hole. This is not a particularly difficult process, and look at the difference in results. Simply by tuning the bullet jump, I improved the performance of the rifle from close to 1 MOA to something under 1/3rd MOA. Imagine if I'd just used .006" jump and called it good. Only after these tests do I chronograph the load to establish a baseline for future performance. If you notice a degredation in performance, likely due to barrel wear and throat erosion over time, you can simply perform the test again and adjust accordingly.

These pics are actual load development tests from one of my match rifles. If you're interested in improving your rifle accuracy, give the methodology a try! Questions? Just drop me a line.

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OK, it doesn't get much better than this. Here's a picture from our pal Nevada Dave of his daughter (Little Nevada Dave'ette?) after hitting her first target at 1,000 yards.

Long time lurker but was looking at the thread today and saw the spotting scope setup, it looks similar to mine. Here’s a picture of my daughter after her first 1000 yard hit on steel. Since then she has gone out to one mile with same the gas gun. The gun is a 6.5 creedmoor, proof barrel, JP bolt, Gisele trigger, American precision brake, Smoke Composits furniture, Accutac bipod and Leupold Mark 8 3.5-25. Spotting scope in the background Leupold with Badger Ordinance SLICK chassis, Kestral, Eotech..

Seriously, look at that smile! Fun, ain't it? And did you all notice how he casually mentions she's gone on to working targets at one mile? Did you not notice that little particular casual detail?

For those of you wondering, that is not easy to do. Very not easy. Welcome to the Gun Thread and congratulations to you both!

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The shooting eyewear topic has generated a lot of great suggestions. Our pal Mazzman sends us a recommendation for SSP Eyewear.

Like anything else optical, these take a little getting used to, but they are designed so that you don't need to move your head from a proper firing position to see your front sight better. I'm right eye dominant and have the clear lens, no magnification on the left side, as I shoot with both eyes open. I only use them for pistol, as I have other ways of dealing with rifle iron sights and they're not needed with optics.

Thanks Mazzman!

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Our pal TBone sends in the following pictures of something I referred to in the M1917 video, and that's the Remington Model 30.

Here is a pic of my grandfather's deer rifle. Evidently Remington had a lot of receivers left over after the war, so they came out with their own factory sporter, called the Model 30. These were built from 1920 to 1940, the "Express" model being introduced in 1926. This particular rifle probably dates from the late 20's as it cocks on closing. After 1932 they cocked on opening.

Thanks, TBone! What a great rifle and story to go with it! You are very lucky to have it!

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In response to last week's video of a reloading and gun bench, our pal WTM sends us a picture of his own setup, which I suspect is much closer to the norm. Thanks WTM!

So what does your bench look like?

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Open Blogger at 07:00 PM

Comments

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1
g'early evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 14, 2020 07:01 PM (LaL6t)

2 Ready on the firing line

Posted by: Skip at June 14, 2020 07:01 PM (6f16T)

3 No shooting but have all the lead for casting bullets I want

Posted by: Skip at June 14, 2020 07:02 PM (6f16T)

4 Weasel isn't these 1 mile shots such a parabola like 30 feet?

Posted by: Skip at June 14, 2020 07:05 PM (6f16T)

5 pew, pew, pew!

Posted by: navybrat, largely at large at June 14, 2020 07:05 PM (w7KSn)

6 What the fvck? We are doing math?

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 14, 2020 07:06 PM (JUOKG)

7 I thought there was to be no maths.

Posted by: Eromero at June 14, 2020 07:06 PM (XhWtx)

8 Good evening y'all. Now to read the content. BBIAW.

Posted by: JTB at June 14, 2020 07:07 PM (7EjX1)

9 This thread really is built on math

Posted by: Skip at June 14, 2020 07:07 PM (6f16T)

10 I was gifted a Springfield Model 1903A3 some years ago, and have some questions if anyone is conversant in such things. Hope this isn't de-railing the World Famous Gub Thread.

Posted by: Common Tater at June 14, 2020 07:07 PM (Ixqnq)

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4 Weasel isn't these 1 mile shots such a parabola like 30 feet?
Posted by: Skip at June 14, 2020 07:05 PM (6f16T)
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The max ordinate for a 1k yard shot is something like 16 feet if I recall correctly, so I'd guess 30 feet or more.

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 07:08 PM (MVjcR)

12 A mile, I couldn't see a mile with the Hubble. I am resigned to providing close support and suppressing fire.

Posted by: Heart of Darkness at June 14, 2020 07:09 PM (nFRLh)

13 10 I was gifted a Springfield Model 1903A3 some years ago, and have some questions if anyone is conversant in such things. Hope this isn't de-railing the World Famous Gub Thread.
Posted by: Common Tater at June 14, 2020 07:07 PM (Ixqnq)
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Heck no! Ask away!!

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 07:10 PM (MVjcR)

14 I'm going to cut down a 12 gauge barrel on my 870 and kit it out to make a defense gun. Anyone cut down a shotgun barrel?

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 14, 2020 07:10 PM (XEfKE)

15 Gee that's illegal Bob!

Posted by: Heart of Darkness at June 14, 2020 07:11 PM (nFRLh)

16 14 I'm going to cut down a 12 gauge barrel on my 870 and kit it out to make a defense gun. Anyone cut down a shotgun barrel?

Easy as pie.

Posted by: Randy Weaver at June 14, 2020 07:11 PM (d6DSt)

17 14 I'm going to cut down a 12 gauge barrel on my 870 and kit it out to make a defense gun. Anyone cut down a shotgun barrel?
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 14, 2020 07:10 PM (XEfKE)
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Careful! I'd just buy another barrel. They're cheap.

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 07:12 PM (MVjcR)

18 Easy as pie.

Posted by: Randy Weaver at June 14, 2020 07:11 PM (d6DSt)

Thanks. Let you know how it goes.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 14, 2020 07:12 PM (XEfKE)

19

CB, buying a new barrel, say 18" with rifle sights is cheap and a 2 min job to switch on the 870...

Posted by: Pendulating Richard at June 14, 2020 07:12 PM (d6DSt)

20 OK, I watched Nevada Dave's daughter and I quit. I QUIT!

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at June 14, 2020 07:12 PM (sWM8x)

21 Oh Hell Yes. Little girls like this are the future of this Country.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 14, 2020 07:12 PM (LS6j5)

22 Gunga la Gunga !

Posted by: JT at June 14, 2020 07:13 PM (arJlL)

23 Easy as pie.

Posted by: Randy Weaver at June 14, 2020 07:11 PM (d6DSt)

Cheap where Weas? ones I saw were about as expensive at the 870.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 14, 2020 07:13 PM (XEfKE)

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21 Oh Hell Yes. Little girls like this are the future of this Country.
Posted by: Ben Had at June 14, 2020 07:12 PM (LS6j5)
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Yup.

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 07:13 PM (MVjcR)

25 I'm going to cut down a 12 gauge barrel on my 870 and kit it out to make a defense gun. Anyone cut down a shotgun barrel?

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 14, 2020 07:10 PM

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I did once with a black powder shotgun I wanted to use for Civil War reenacting.

A vise and a couple of good hacksaw blades and Bob's your Uncle.

Might want to check your State and local laws, seems I took too much off of the barrels and while it was legal in my State it was not legal in Mass when we did reenacting there.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 14, 2020 07:13 PM (JUOKG)

26 Wow! That has to be the best, most concise and understandable write up of reloading and wanted accuracy I have ever seen. Great job and thanks Weasel!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 14, 2020 07:13 PM (Z+IKu)

27 Good afternoon.

Or evening, depending on your time zone.

Range report:

Ran the carry 1911 in an IDPA match yesterday. Good practice, shot accurately, but lousy match scores. However, as I use IDPA for practice and not competition, it's not a big deal. I might add, when shooting IDPA, I do try to get in some weak hand/strong hand practice. And, depending on the stage, I also try to get in some practice shooting at the head.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at June 14, 2020 07:14 PM (WEBkv)

28 17 14 I'm going to cut down a 12 gauge barrel on my 870 and kit it out to make a defense gun. Anyone cut down a shotgun barrel?
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 14, 2020 07:10 PM (XEfKE)
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Careful! I'd just buy another barrel. They're cheap.
Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 07:12 PM (MVjcR)

^This. Get the 18.5" replacement barrel and you won't have to worry about getting the ATF up your ass.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 14, 2020 07:14 PM (NWiLs)

29 I'm going to cut down a 12 gauge barrel on my 870 and kit it out to make a defense gun. Anyone cut down a shotgun barrel?

Have not done it myself but my guess is that unless you have a lathe, it's going to be hard to make a clean job of it. Personally, I'd probably just buy a new barrel. Also, be sure you measure carefully. Ask Randy Weaver whether or not that last quarter inch makes a difference.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 14, 2020 07:14 PM (qc+VF)

30 Regarding the maths discombobulations, I concur. In a recent altercation, I found myself having to ask the other person - "I know what you're thinking. Did he fire six shots or only five? Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement, I've kinda lost track myself."

Of course, those were my pre-enlightenment days, before I saw the light, and converted to the .41 Magnum. Now, math is a snap.

Posted by: Harry Callahan at June 14, 2020 07:14 PM (DMUuz)

31 Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 14, 2020 07:13 PM (XEfKE)
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I think I bought one from Brownells and it was something like $125.

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 07:16 PM (MVjcR)

32 Nevada Dave, come on out and take the praise due you.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 14, 2020 07:17 PM (LS6j5)

33 Just thinking about Ruby Ridge makes my blood boil, especially when the Feds are currently sitting on their asses as Rome burns.

Posted by: Heart of Darkness at June 14, 2020 07:17 PM (nFRLh)

34 I finally got to have a 30-06 morning at the range yesterday. I got to fire both Garands for the first time, and one of my 03a3. Both M1s were 4-5 MOA, which is decent for me with the iron sights. It didn't really make any difference whether I fired off-hand or from the bench.

The SC 03a3 was it's usual 3 and a smidge MOA which I have always thought was pretty darn good for a mass produced war time rifle and factory ammo.

I am bruised though, even using a towel as a wussy pad. Not horrible, but I woke up feeling it this morning.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 14, 2020 07:17 PM (yQpMk)

35 Ok, EBay $120. that's doable. May try it anyway. AZ is Ok with it. Cause AZ.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 14, 2020 07:17 PM (XEfKE)

36 Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 14, 2020 07:13 PM (Z+IKu)
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My pleasure!

I shit you not, everyone. This works.

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 07:17 PM (MVjcR)

37 32 Nevada Dave, come on out and take the praise due you.
Posted by: Ben Had at June 14, 2020 07:17 PM (LS6j5)
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Concur.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at June 14, 2020 07:18 PM (WEBkv)

38 Great week.

1) My son is out here for the summer. He had one in state visitor and three from MI. Two newbs and one who had only shot once prior. Took out a selection of 9s and 45s, sub to full sized, and an AR. Every one wants to come back, whether my son is here or not. One of the newbs was a natural.

2) Contacted by another person of the female persuasion whose eyes are now open and wants training and advice. Trying to schedule a trip for the upcoming weekend or next depending on her flight schedule.

This after finally getting two long time friends to make their first purchases this year. And a third that wants to join the team with his wife when the SHTF.

Posted by: SacredCow at June 14, 2020 07:19 PM (D4VQX)

39 Evening.

Man, this thread is like all science-y n shit.

Posted by: Robert at June 14, 2020 07:20 PM (jbnKH)

40 I.checked Brownell Weas. Like 199 I believe. Ok, I'll check around. Bought 2, 10 round mags for our Rem 308 carbine pump. Nice gun. Maybe a reflex sight too?

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 14, 2020 07:20 PM (XEfKE)

41 A mile, I couldn't see a mile with the Hubble. I am resigned to providing close support and suppressing fire.
Posted by: Heart of Darkness at June 14, 2020 07:09 PM (nFRLh)

I'm marginal past 50 yards. I'm also terrible with demolitions and close combat. If we're picking team specialties, I am resigned to being a master of disguise and ladies' man.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 14, 2020 07:21 PM (t+qrx)

42 At the farm for my birthday week. If the rain holds off tomorrow hoping to get in some revolver work. later in the week, it's Garand time!

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at June 14, 2020 07:21 PM (Xc7uP)

43 Anyway, all credit and props to that sharpshooter - all my long range weapons are measured for 200 to 300 yards which is the general likely and maximum line of sight in this part of Texas. I plan most of my activities for 150 and closer - you have to have a plan that plays to your strengths I guess.

Posted by: Heart of Darkness at June 14, 2020 07:22 PM (nFRLh)

44 Kid finally turned 21 and got a couple of permits from the sheriff and is looking at a SCCY CPX 2 because it's American made and cheap. Good or bad? Any better options in that size for the money or should I just give him money for something better?

Posted by: NCKate at June 14, 2020 07:22 PM (iKL4P)

45 legalinsurrection.com/dont mess with the alamo historic alamo under protection from violent protesters

Armed and meaning business

Posted by: Skip at June 14, 2020 07:23 PM (6f16T)

46 hogmartin what be in charge of drones with munitions.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 14, 2020 07:23 PM (LS6j5)

47 A quick Howyadoin' and I'll be back as soon as I facetime with the bride.

The only gub stuff I did this week is order go-no-go gages in 308 and 556

McGyver, out

Posted by: McGyver at June 14, 2020 07:24 PM (0ssRW)

48 hogmartin what be in charge of drones with munitions.
Posted by: Ben Had at June 14, 2020 07:23 PM (LS6j5)
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If we have drones, the opposition is getting IED's dropped on them.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at June 14, 2020 07:24 PM (WEBkv)

49 Thanks for the comments, you all made her day!

Posted by: Nevada Dave at June 14, 2020 07:25 PM (3DzQz)

50 OK, thanks Weasel. I've been digesting some things over at the CMP forum, and there is a lot of info available. Found some TMs and stuff, so I familiarized myself with it a little, and disassembled it completely.

First of all it's been "sporterized", which is OK, as far as it goes. Not my thing, but it was a gift, and done a long time ago. Came with a lot of documentation. Was done in 1959, and have all the receipts. Myrtlewood stock, Williams peep sights, Remington receiver dates to 1943, 1938 or 1939 J1 bolt. Not sure on the barrel, can'f find any marks or stamps, it is a 4 groove and exceptionally clean sharp rifling and bright. Machined baseplate and triggerguard, not stamped. So kind of a mix and match affair but it looks like he knew what he was doing, or at least what he wanted.

He did pay for a 4 groove barrel and headspacing, though the handwriting is hard to read on the receipt. $40 for the rifle ($1.20 sales tax) in 1959 and $19.84 to have his supplied stock fitted and swiveled and recoil pad installed etc.

Questions: What is the cocking lever actually for? It looks to me that having a round in the chamber and the cocking lever down is a Bad Idea. "Under no circumstances" the gubbmint says. I believe them.

Is modern commercial ammunition too high a pressure? Or do I need to by that bespoke high dollar Garand type ammo? I have some '62 Match from Lake City, and M2 Ball, but I'd just as soon shoot Remington or Federal. I'm not skeered but I'd rather shoot what it was designed for.

Posted by: Common Tater at June 14, 2020 07:25 PM (Ixqnq)

51 Thanks for the comments, you all made her day!
Posted by: Nevada Dave at June 14, 2020 07:25 PM (3DzQz)
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You and your daughter keep up the great work.

Always a good thing when a daughter is supported in such pursuits.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at June 14, 2020 07:26 PM (WEBkv)

52 Kid finally turned 21 and got a couple of permits from the sheriff and is looking at a SCCY CPX 2 because it's American made and cheap. Good or bad?

No hands-on experience but a couple of the folks in the CHL class I took had them and seemed to be having a fair amount of hassle getting them to work. Granted, these were for the most part inexperienced shooters with brand new guns so that could be part of it.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 14, 2020 07:26 PM (qc+VF)

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49 Thanks for the comments, you all made her day!
Posted by: Nevada Dave at June 14, 2020 07:25 PM (3DzQz)
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She made everyone else's day!!

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 07:26 PM (MVjcR)

54 Went to the range in Eagle, WI., today with a couple of the young ones. (Relatively young compared to me.) I've never seen the place that crowded except just before deer-hunting season. Cars were everywhere and every range from 10 yards through 300 yards plus trap-shooting was full; my estimate is around 200 shooters at all times from 1P through 4P.
Good day for it, too.
Was in process of sighting in a new Savage .30-06 when a somewhat impatient young'un (age 39) told me to step aside so he could show me how to do it. OK, sure.
And he immediately cut a 1"+ gash deep into his forehead. All y'all know exactly why.
He'll be fine. We rubbed some Hoppe's on it. But he knocked the bejabbers out of the sight. I couldn't get ON PAPER any more. Damn!
Off to the gunsmith tomorrow to get the gun bore-sighted......
Happy to report that at 25 yards, kept 30 rounds of 9mm in a body-picture target. No longer interested in "one-hole" handgun shooting at my age; only interested in stopping the threat, which WILL happen.

Posted by: dad29 at June 14, 2020 07:27 PM (5QjOf)

55 "Just thinking about Ruby Ridge makes my blood boil, especially when the Feds are currently sitting on their asses as Rome burns."----------
And most are clueless that Barr defended Horiuchi pro bono who murdered Vicki Weaver. Blood boil? Yeah. And then some

Posted by: featherstone at June 14, 2020 07:27 PM (+/4Mh)

56 Nevada Dave, your daughter made our day.

Thank You!

Posted by: Ben Had at June 14, 2020 07:28 PM (LS6j5)

57 A mile, I couldn't see a mile with the Hubble. I am resigned to providing close support and suppressing fire.

Posted by: Heart of Darkness at June 14, 2020 07:09 PM (nFRLh)

I'm marginal past 50 yards. I'm also terrible with demolitions and
close combat. If we're picking team specialties, I am resigned to being a
master of disguise and ladies' man.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 14, 2020 07:21 PM

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50 yards for me too, anything longer than that and I am out. I can hit a can of tannerite with iron sights at that range and that's about as far as I care to shoot.

I did hit a softball at 50 yards with a Ruger blackhawk .44 magnum last month though. Only took three shots.

I figure I am good for the Zombie apocalypse as most of those shots are 10 yards and under.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 14, 2020 07:29 PM (JUOKG)

58 Featherstone @ 55, Ruby Ridge, Waco, and the Bundy's are just a warmup for what we will see if a patriot defends him or herself from brickthrowing thugs.

Posted by: Eromero at June 14, 2020 07:30 PM (XhWtx)

59 Posted by: Common Tater at June 14, 2020 07:25 PM (Ixqnq)
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The ON/OFF switch? That prevents drawing from the internal magazine and effectively makes it a single shot.

I generally use lighter loads in mine but have also used regular old M2 Ball.

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 07:30 PM (MVjcR)

60 No hands-on experience but a couple of the folks in the CHL class I took had them and seemed to be having a fair amount of hassle getting them to work. Granted, these were for the most part inexperienced shooters with brand new guns so that could be part of it.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 14, 2020 07:26 PM (qc+VF)

I don't have any first-hand experience with it either. USCCA says it's a "reliable budget gun" (their words). I don't think they accept money for reviews, unless someone knows otherwise. Another review said it was picky about ammo - magazines specifically didn't like steel-case but worked OK with brass.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 14, 2020 07:31 PM (t+qrx)

61 53
49 Thanks for the comments, you all made her day!
Posted by: Nevada Dave at June 14, 2020 07:25 PM (3DzQz)
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She made everyone else's day!!
Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 07:26 PM (MVjcR)

Absolutely. That was awesome.

And to think I was proud to hit the 300 yard target with my M-16.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Pushing Irish into the Missouri at June 14, 2020 07:32 PM (x8Wzq)

62 It's been discussed ad finem but I cannot for the life of me understand why Glock might as well throw away millions of dollars in their refusal to design and manufacture their own carbine.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at June 14, 2020 07:32 PM (2DOZq)

63 52 My everyday carry is a CPX 2 and I also have a very early CPX 1. I've had no problems whatsoever with either, 115 gr FMJ and 115 gr Remington HP for social purposes. I think with new shooters, they are trying to stack the double action only trigger, resulting in a change of grip. I just happen to like the little guns, simple design and all.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at June 14, 2020 07:32 PM (C1Lsn)

64 That pressure plot is interesting, especially the bit on the starboard end.
About thirty years ago I was doing some serious load development in .223Rem, using the Hornady 60gn HP.

As the loads got "hotter" the usual pressure signs appeared.
Then it got weird. adding the proverbial "straw" of half a grain extra produced cases showing NO primer flattening or cratering. It was also a slightly "compressed" load with the flat bullet base pressing into the powder.
Final feature; a light touch with a Lee "factory crimp" die.

Down-range performance?
Stock-standard Colt SP1 with a Leupold 2-7 on top: .6 to .75 MOA at 100, off a bench. Loaded another small batch of that same recipe into a freshly prepped batch of the same brass. Verified. Repeat performance. Close enough for pest destruction.

I don't run a ballistics lab, but suspect the results have a LOT to do with the lack of "disturbance" of the powder load, and / or no partial "flashover" during ignition.

Any thoughts?

Posted by: Bruce at June 14, 2020 07:33 PM (c1Ule)

65 Okay, can't stand it no more, any y'all got a macaroni/Glock conversion kit?

Posted by: Eromero at June 14, 2020 07:33 PM (XhWtx)

66 Eromero, I going to try for a mid July date for us. I'll make sure you have enough notice.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 14, 2020 07:33 PM (LS6j5)

67 Tuesday/Wednesday is best for us Ben. Maybe I can tack on a PTO day.

Posted by: Eromero at June 14, 2020 07:36 PM (XhWtx)

68 Horiuchi's shot was 180 yards and he killed Vicki Weaver through a door - had no idea where the bullet was going after his primary target.Totally wrong and why he was allowed to continue in the service is beyond reason.

Posted by: Heart of Darkness at June 14, 2020 07:36 PM (nFRLh)

69 I saw a program last night that showed why you shouldn't use long range match ammunition for long range hunting. It will just pass straight through your target with no real damage unless it hits bone. Might be obvious to others but I didn't know that.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at June 14, 2020 07:37 PM (2DOZq)

70 Eromero, those are good for me and Rancherbob also.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 14, 2020 07:38 PM (LS6j5)

71
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at June 14, 2020 07:37 PM (2DOZq)
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Yep. All of my match bullets state they're not for hunting on the box for that very reason.

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 07:39 PM (MVjcR)

72 Kilroy, match ammo is for killing paper. Tom Gresham said so. It is known.

Posted by: Eromero at June 14, 2020 07:39 PM (XhWtx)

73 Eromero, Will confer with Jim.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 14, 2020 07:40 PM (LS6j5)

74 Great Gub Thread Weasel. Barrel harmonics, makes sense.

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at June 14, 2020 07:40 PM (DjiZK)

75 I need 2 weeks ahead if possible, Ben. My LT is persnickety.

Posted by: Eromero at June 14, 2020 07:41 PM (XhWtx)

76 LAS VEGAS (AP)-- A police officer who was shot in the head during a Las
Vegas Strip protest of the death of George Floyd in Minneapolis is
paralyzed from the neck down, on a ventilator and unable to speak, his
family said in a statement released by police.

https://twitter.com/MikeBalsamo1/status

/1272270452195577857

Posted by: deplorable unperson - Black Lives Matter is a terrorist organization at June 14, 2020 07:41 PM (iZJ5K)

77 No, Wease not the magazine cutoff. The round de-cocking lever. When I first got it, I was thinking store 5 rounds in the magazine, 1 round in the chamber, and uncock it. Or de-cock it or whatever. Then it's ready to go, just pull the button back.

This is a Bad Idea (tm) because the firing pin rests directly on the primer. So I get that. But then, what is the purpose for it then?

Also, related is what about Dry Firing an '03A3? Seems to me it is not a "good" practice, but it was done thousands of times by recruits.

Just for safeties sake, I'd like to have somebody check the headspace. I'm sure it's fine, but a lot can happen in 60 years. It looks from the receipt he supplied a brand new barrel, or bought one from these Alliance folks in Penn., and had them do this.

How would I get headspace checked easily? I'm not going to spend the money on Go/No Go/Field gauges.

Would like to zero it in, and see what it is capable of. Should I battlesight zero and start at 15 yards? Sounds goofy, but this is a good method. It looks to me like the guy was putting together a tack driver for deer hunting.

Posted by: Common Tater at June 14, 2020 07:41 PM (Ixqnq)

78 C-Span has Basement Joe on, mask hanging on his ear.

Posted by: Skip at June 14, 2020 07:41 PM (6f16T)

79 What I did at the range this week was take my Crossman air rifle (break barrel) .177 cal and shoot it from a free standing position. Shooting free standing is something I have never done with a rifle. Results were OK.

Met a retired navy warrant officer, who served aboard the carrier Midway before and during the Vietnam war. He told me that he made three Navy pistol shooting teams when he was on active duty. I didn't ask his age, but I would estimate around 80. He was confined to a wheel chair because he had lost his left leg at the knee. He said he couldn't shoot any more, but when I looked at his pistol group, it was a nice tight pattern. I sure wouldn't want him shooting at me. He said he shot a 1911 pistol and an M1 Garand in the Navy. Also said he made one rifle team with the Garand, but chose to shoot on the pistol team that year, instead.

Posted by: An Observation at June 14, 2020 07:43 PM (Kua8E)

80
I don't run a ballistics lab, but suspect the results have a LOT to do with the lack of "disturbance" of the powder load, and / or no partial "flashover" during ignition.

Any thoughts?
Posted by: Bruce at June 14, 2020 07:33 PM (c1Ule)
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Yep. The results always seem to get wonky on the upper end. That test was a 6.5-.284 if I recall correctly and I don't want to push velocities past 3000fps because it wears out barrels fast enough as it is. As I recall, the final load on that gun represented about 3/4 case volume.

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 07:43 PM (MVjcR)

81 And to think I was proud to hit the 300 yard target with my M-16.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Pushing Irish into the Missouri at June 14, 2020 07:32 PM

Given the 1 in 14" barrel twist, a 55 gr. bullet, and iron sights, that's not worthless. I remember a fair number of people who couldn't.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 14, 2020 07:43 PM (DMUuz)

82
I don't run a ballistics lab, but suspect the results have a LOT to do with the lack of "disturbance" of the powder load, and / or no partial "flashover" during ignition.

Any thoughts?
Posted by: Bruce at June 14, 2020 07:33 PM (c1Ule)
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P.S. the graphic at the top of the thread is just something I grabbed off the web for illustrative purposes.

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 07:44 PM (MVjcR)

83 C-Span has Basement Joe on, mask hanging on his ear.

Posted by: Skip at June 14, 2020 07:41 PM

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Watched a news anchor on the local station today reporting in the field on a story. She had her mask on but it was only over her mouth. Nose was totally uncovered.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 14, 2020 07:45 PM (JUOKG)

84 69 Kilroy I have heard the argument is it better fotr the bullet to expend the full energy within the target or to clear the target leaving a exwound.
I think the latter but no experience on that.

Posted by: Skip at June 14, 2020 07:45 PM (6f16T)

85 French riot cops getting they a**es beat pretty good right now.
Napoleon came to power under similar circumstances.

Posted by: navybrat, largely at large at June 14, 2020 07:46 PM (w7KSn)

86
Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at June 14, 2020 07:40 PM (DjiZK)
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My pleasure. Thanks!

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 07:46 PM (MVjcR)

87 Posted by: Common Tater at June 14, 2020 07:41 PM (Ixqnq)
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I'd need to go look at my '03. Why don't you drop me a line and we can discuss. Thx.

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 07:48 PM (MVjcR)

88 OK. First, I love the smile on Nevada Dave's daughter. What a cutie and she has every right to be proud and pleased.

Second, thanks for the video on establishing OAL. My mechanical abilities are not extensive and it helped to see it performed.

Posted by: JTB at June 14, 2020 07:48 PM (7EjX1)

89 Instead, here is a decent video on its use

Why can't the English learn to speak?

Posted by: Braenyard at June 14, 2020 07:50 PM (q0Dei)

90 Posted by: JTB at June 14, 2020 07:48 PM (7EjX1)
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Isn't that smile great?

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 07:50 PM (MVjcR)

91 A most excellent post on rifle and ammo tuning Weasel!

Posted by: Xipe Totec at June 14, 2020 07:51 PM (eJn7u)

92 French riot cops getting asses beat? Must be the second string. For all the talk about the French, their cops are shall we say, people who put brutality in police action.

Posted by: Heart of Darkness at June 14, 2020 07:52 PM (nFRLh)

93 Posted by: Xipe Totec at June 14, 2020 07:51 PM (eJn7u)
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Thanks! Glad you liked it and I hope it answered some questions.

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 07:53 PM (MVjcR)

94 Weasel. Just a great post. Always learn a lot. Of course I have a lot to learn.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 14, 2020 07:54 PM (XEfKE)

95 Evening Weasel. Howdy fellow Gun Cranks.
Finally got to the range on Friday. First on the list was (going to be) sighting in the new used 3/4 inch scope on my Chinese Browning 22 ATD copy. Fired 10 rounds to be sure it was all working. Started the next string, and after the third round the scope crosshairs rotated 45 degrees. So much for that.
Broke out a few Smith and Wessons, my fire survivor 22 caliber Combat Masterpiece (lil ugly), My 14-3 Ex university of Maryland police gun in 38 special, and my pride of the collection, my 28-3 Highway Patrolman that I bought new... My first ever new gun...
Great day anyway, in spite of the norinco scope fail...

Posted by: Jesse in DC at June 14, 2020 07:54 PM (ouR/N)

96
Posted by: Jesse in DC at June 14, 2020 07:54 PM (ouR/N)
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Howdy amigo! Bummer about the scope.

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 07:56 PM (MVjcR)

97 Just thinking about Ruby Ridge makes my blood boil, especially when the Feds are currently sitting on their asses as Rome burns.

No, they aren't. Don't you remember? They were able to find 3 white nationalists to bring a domestic terrorism case against as they were tasked by the DOJ to find out who was behind the riots - just to make sure the press got the narrative right.

They haven't built any more cases, because that first one used up 20% of the available white nationalists in the country, and the other 12 are kind of suspicious of the guys volunteering to get them H-bombs and nerve gas, while asking them to speak clearly into this shirt button.

Posted by: An Observation at June 14, 2020 07:56 PM (Kua8E)

98 SD ammo has been in short supply lately but I did order 1,000 rounds of 9mm from MidwayUSA. This will supplement my supplies of ammo I make sure to keep on hand. Glad I did. It is now listed as out of stock, no back order.

Posted by: JTB at June 14, 2020 07:57 PM (7EjX1)

99 Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 14, 2020 07:54 PM (XEfKE)
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Thanks! Glad you liked it!

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 07:57 PM (MVjcR)

100 What a great shot. And that smile dazzles.

Nevada Dave, you can not fake good parenting.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 14, 2020 07:57 PM (u82oZ)

101 Cannibal Bob
I have cut down a shotgun barrel. I just bandsawed it off and trued the muzzle on my lathe. Then deburred.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at June 14, 2020 07:57 PM (eJn7u)

102 And to think I was proud to hit the 300 yard target with my M-16.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Pushing Irish into the Missouri at June 14, 2020 07:32 PM

Given the 1 in 14" barrel twist, a 55 gr. bullet, and iron sights,
that's not worthless. I remember a fair number of people who couldn't.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 14, 2020 07:43 PM

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We had dozens of guys who literally could not qualify with the M16 in my Boot Camp Company.

They had to go to special range sessions for weeks and they finally kicked some of them out because they could not qualify.

I got sharp shooter and was very proud of that badge on my uniform.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 14, 2020 07:57 PM (JUOKG)

103 I have one of those length gauges it's pretty handy. Takes a little practice to get a feel for it.

Posted by: Somewhere on Ventura Highway at June 14, 2020 07:58 PM (WF/xn)

104 I don't know for a decocking lever on the 03a3. I decock it like any Mauser, turning the bolt down with the trigger pulled.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 14, 2020 07:58 PM (yQpMk)

105 Side note: Next week, I take possession of a S&W 686 Plus with a 4" barrel.

Woot!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at June 14, 2020 07:59 PM (WEBkv)

106 Heart of D @ 92-Le Fwench jus mai be forceed to rejonerate L'Ille d'Diable. Non?

Posted by: Eromero at June 14, 2020 07:59 PM (XhWtx)

107 Yesterday the son picked up the birthday present Dad I got him for his 40th. Taurus Judge, Public Defender, in polymer.

He was very set on getting the polymer model for the lighter weight. Can you all educate me if there are any real, tangible differences besides the weight? Any idiosyncrasies with that gun that we should make him aware of?

Posted by: cfo mom at June 14, 2020 08:00 PM (RfzVr)

108 103 I have one of those length gauges it's pretty handy. Takes a little practice to get a feel for it.
Posted by: Somewhere on Ventura Highway at June 14, 2020 07:58 PM (WF/xn)
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No kidding! You definitely have to get a "feel" for it. I have another one that seems to have a better design but haven't used it and couldn't lay my hands on it in time for the thread. I'll poke around a little more and put it in an upcoming GT.

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 08:00 PM (MVjcR)

109 From the Free Beacon:

"More than 1.7 million guns were sold in May 2020, according to an analysis by Small Arms Analytics & Forecasting. That is an all-time record for the month and an 80 percent increase from 2019. May 2020 saw more sales than both March and April of 2019. The record-setting sales pace has been driven in large part by new gun owners. Of those first-time gun owners, 40 percent are women and these buyers are overwhelmingly purchasing handguns for personal protection."

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 14, 2020 08:00 PM (DMUuz)

110 Given the 1 in 14" barrel twist, a 55 gr. bullet, and iron sights, that's not worthless. I remember a fair number of people who couldn't.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 14, 2020 07:43 PM (DMUuz)

Really tough prone at 500 with iron sights. Especially when the armorer give you the wrong rifle dope.

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at June 14, 2020 08:00 PM (DjiZK)

111 This week was odd handgun week.

First up was a Webley Mark IV in 38 Smith & Wesson. The one I have is Hong Kong Police surplus probably made in the late 1940's or early 50's.

Top brake revolver, six shots with a......safety! Push left for fire and right for safe. Nice single and double action trigger and great sights. Fun to shoot and very accurate out to 40 feet.

Second up was my Zastava M70A. It is a Tokarev in 9 mm, so a different take on things. When I got it a few years back it was under $200. It was very rough out of the box, but after a few hundred rounds over the years the action is nice and smooth and both front and rear sights are driftable so she is also very accurate. The only problem I had was the retaining clip on the side would pop off at times but was easily fixed with a pair of needle nose pliers and now stays put. Fun and cheap and a Tokarev so what's not to like.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 14, 2020 08:02 PM (Z+IKu)

112 If you're going to reload, spend $100 on a decent chronograph. Even assuming you're only shooting modern firearms mass produced using CNC machinery, acceptable barrel/chamber tolerance ranges can make a significant difference in the maximum chamber pressure observed, including within same model of firearm.

Posted by: PacosMojo at June 14, 2020 08:02 PM (ivZ+f)

113 Thanks for the info, weasel.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at June 14, 2020 08:04 PM (fIHXk)

114 And great as always.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at June 14, 2020 08:04 PM (fIHXk)

115 112 If you're going to reload, spend $100 on a decent chronograph. Even assuming you're only shooting modern firearms mass produced using CNC machinery, acceptable barrel/chamber tolerance ranges can make a significant difference in the maximum chamber pressure observed, including within same model of firearm.
Posted by: PacosMojo at June 14, 2020 08:02 PM (ivZ+f)
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At some point I'm hoping to do a video comparing the Lab Radar and Magnetospeed

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 08:05 PM (MVjcR)

116 Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at June 14, 2020 08:04 PM (fIHXk)
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Thanks! Happy to do it.

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 08:06 PM (MVjcR)

117 If you're going to reload, spend $100 on a decent
chronograph. Even assuming you're only shooting modern firearms mass
produced using CNC machinery, acceptable barrel/chamber tolerance ranges
can make a significant difference in the maximum chamber pressure
observed, including within same model of firearm.

Posted by: PacosMojo at June 14, 2020 08:02 PM (ivZ+f)

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At some point I'm hoping to do a video comparing the Lab Radar and Magnetospeed

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 08:05 PM

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You two need to get a room........geesh.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 14, 2020 08:06 PM (JUOKG)

118 The CPX-2 is very reliable once it is broken in. The only trick with them is that if you use a spray cleaner it will strip the lube off the action back by the hammer. This can cause erratic misfires. Put a drop or two of gun oil back there and the problems will disappear.

Posted by: An Observation at June 14, 2020 08:08 PM (Kua8E)

119 BANG!

Herself bought a Barrett 12ga O/U shotgun last night from Classic Firearms....

last one they had in stock.

still no range time for either of us...

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 14, 2020 08:08 PM (5RpHt)

120
still no range time for either of us...
Posted by: redc1c4 at June 14, 2020 08:08 PM (5RpHt)
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You need to travel into Kern County, where our range is open and looks marvelous!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at June 14, 2020 08:09 PM (WEBkv)

121 109 that brings a smile to my heart so will end the day well.

If your up at 4am log in. Goodnight everyone.

Posted by: Skip at June 14, 2020 08:09 PM (6f16T)

122 From the Daily Wire:

"The current state of affairs in America has led to record sales of guns. In May 2020, very nearly two handguns were sold for every long-gun, pushing their ratio new record of 1.97. Traditionally, the ratio increases in the first half of the year before dropping off in the second half. Still, the boom in handgun sales has been particularly noticeable in recent months. More than 3 million checks were run through the FBI's national instant check system in May, a record and 32% above from May 2019. The week of April 13-19 was in the 10 highest weeks since the tracking system was set up in November 1998. During that week in April, the FBI conducted 766,739 checks."

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 14, 2020 08:10 PM (DMUuz)

123 Cutting shotgun barrels. I've done it on occasion, and found on a plain barrel, wrap a couple layers of masking tape on it and use a tube cutter. Don't get overly enthusiastic with the pressure as you tighten it. Also, before you cut, say at 18.5", mark for your bead a half inch back of the cut. A good way to do this is, with gun assembled, tie some sewing thread to the bead, tighten it over the centerline of the receiver and tape, then mark barrel, assuring hole will be at top center of barrel. When done cutting, crown and deburr.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at June 14, 2020 08:10 PM (C1Lsn)

124 Posted by: Skip at June 14, 2020 08:09 PM (6f16T)
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'Night, Skip!

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 08:10 PM (MVjcR)

125 lso, related is what about Dry Firing an '03A3? Seems to me it is not a "good" practice, but it was done thousands of times by recruits.
Posted by: Common Tater at June 14, 2020 07:41 PM (Ixqnq)

I have broken a firing pin on one of my 1903's (Smith Corona) from dry firing it while using snap caps. It happens and is an easy fix.

Parts aplenty out there. Buy two and keep a spare handy.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 14, 2020 08:11 PM (Z+IKu)

126 Weasel, how are the re-up's for the NOVAMOME going?

Posted by: Ben Had at June 14, 2020 08:11 PM (LS6j5)

127 On the '03 it's called the "cocking piece" I guess. It's the hammer basically.

I'm sure it is mentioned or discussed in the manual. I'll have to look at this closer. It would be useful in a failure to fire or bad primer situation I suppose.

Are the stripper clips a one time deal? Kind of seems that way.

Posted by: Common Tater at June 14, 2020 08:12 PM (Ixqnq)

128 Happy Birthday Week Van Owen !

Posted by: JT at June 14, 2020 08:13 PM (arJlL)

129
126 Weasel, how are the re-up's for the NOVAMOME going?
Posted by: Ben Had at June 14, 2020 08:11 PM (LS6j5)
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bluebell is in charge of the guest list but last time we talked only a handful of people couldn't make the new date.

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 08:13 PM (MVjcR)

130 Sweet setup Nevada Dave has! impressive for a Gas Gun!

Posted by: DBCooper at June 14, 2020 08:13 PM (y1Mvi)

131 Did get to the range yesterday. Still trying to save money and ammo stockpiles (last 1k .45 ammo cost me about $450) so mostly shooting .22 with one box of full power loads to remind myself what blast and recoil feel like.

Again, most of the shooting was with the CZ P-07 with and without the Kadet adapter.

Had a really, really good slow fire group at 7 yards. Not quite one hole but pretty good with no flyers.

I'll take it.

The rest of it was double tap practice and some long ranger (25, 20 yards) which is outside of good accuracy range for a 4" barrelled pistol, at least for me.

Bought a second CZ P-07 via gunbroker, since retail supplies are real thin. Once the state of WA releases it to me (fuck you, waiting periods), I'll be sending it to the CZ Custom shop to make it DAO. The double action pull on the P-07 is really, really good.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 14, 2020 08:14 PM (d1uFV)

132 Weasel. Outstanding!

Posted by: Ben Had at June 14, 2020 08:14 PM (LS6j5)

133 Posted by: bill in arkansas at June 14, 2020 08:10 PM (C1Lsn)

Thanks Bill. Gonna gte it done i think. Lots of videos on it.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 14, 2020 08:17 PM (XEfKE)

134
132 Weasel. Outstanding!
Posted by: Ben Had at June 14, 2020 08:14 PM (LS6j5)
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Yep! Very happy to see that. Having to reschedule was a major bummer.

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 08:17 PM (MVjcR)

135 Jerj FLoide!
Watta Heero!

Jerj Phloyd!!1

Posted by: deplorable unperson - Black Lives Matter is a terrorist organization at June 14, 2020 08:17 PM (iZJ5K)

136 I was a much better shot with an M-16A1 than I was with the M-14. I seem to remember hitting a 400 meter target with the M-16. I was never able to hit a single 75 meter target with either rifle. Unable to correct my aim because I never hit one, even by accident. Don't know if I was high or low or what. That really hurt my score as the 75 meter targets were gimmes for everyone else.

Posted by: An Observation at June 14, 2020 08:18 PM (Kua8E)

137 Thanks for an awesome Gun Thread, Weasel!
Probably gonna have to pull the pin on a Lab Radar.

Posted by: DBCooper at June 14, 2020 08:19 PM (y1Mvi)

138 Well, time to wander,

You all behave and shoot well!

Great thread, weasel! but you knew that....

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at June 14, 2020 08:19 PM (WEBkv)

139 Also Bill, I have a ventilated rib so I've seen a cut grinder for metal On videos. i have one.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 14, 2020 08:20 PM (XEfKE)

140 Are the stripper clips a one time deal? Kind of seems that way.
Posted by: Common Tater at June 14, 2020 08:12 PM (Ixqnq)

Negative, clean them up and reuse. Also, .30-O6 and .308 both fit the same stripper clips and I use them for both over and over again.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 14, 2020 08:21 PM (Z+IKu)

141 Probably gonna have to pull the pin on a Lab Radar.
Posted by: DBCooper at June 14, 2020 08:19 PM (y1Mvi)
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Hey man! You are most very welcome.
LabRadar - you will not be disappointed!

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 08:21 PM (MVjcR)

142 Nevada Dave has quite the amazing daughter there.

Obviously, a result of good parenting.

That's how it's supposed to work!

Tip of the hat to you and family, ND.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 14, 2020 08:21 PM (sy5kK)

143 @131...DJT's Gallup approval rating was 49% a month ago. Recent events have taken a toll. But if it goes down that much in a month, why can't it recover? If the metric was approval rating in mid May, he'd be in OK shape. But in June it's doomsday, no budging, no hope? Is there a reason May isn't significant but June is? Or is it CNN bullshit?

Posted by: occam's brassiere at June 14, 2020 08:21 PM (ja/kn)

144
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
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Thanks Blake!

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 08:21 PM (MVjcR)

145 Happy Birthday to the United States Army!

Posted by: dartist at June 14, 2020 08:22 PM (K22Va)

146 Nevada Daughter made my Range Day yesterday all the more "fail" than it already was. *sigh* Dear Lord, young lady.. I'll want you on my overwatch if things keep getting worse out there!

Took the Ruger African 6.5x55 to the Texas City Municipal Range. The only stock I had on hand was the 120 grain loading from the now-defunct T's Guns & Ammo.

Their 140 grain stuff was holding anywhere from .78 inches to 1.2 inches, through two boxes of ammo. That was on the last outing.

So, I thought I'd chew up the last of the 120 grain pills.

Best I could do was a 1.5 inch vertical dispersion, with a full 7 inch horizontal spread, across ten rounds.

That's when I chose to quit turning powder into noise with that one for the day. I'll come back to it after some basic Mk.1 Mod.0 rifle inspection and maintenance. Might be a problem in the torque on the action screws, or even the expensively acquired, gunsmith performed, mounting lapping and truing of the rings, and mounting and boresighting of the scope.

Wind was a full horizontal flag, 15 mph, straight 90 degrees from right to left, across the line.

Now, it's not that I had a totally crappy shooting day.

On the same 100 yard target, I put out a 5 round magazine from the CZ-452 Lux, .22 LR, with it's 24 inch barrel and iron sights. Remington 36 gr. Zinger copper plated hollowpoints.

Three inch group, dead center (allowing for drop, as I hadn't slid the ladder sight up to the 100 yard notch). The group was right on the "6" of the target circle, 'bout eight inches below the bull.

More fun? Went through half a box of Remington .22 LR, Sub-Sonic 40 grain ammo. The 24" barrel consumes every bit of powder before the bullet emerges from the bore. It's nearly as quiet as an actual suppresser.

"Click, bop" is the striker falling and the muzzle report. 'Bout a second later, you see the dust puff as the round hits the berm.

Accurate enough, too. Minute of gallon milk jug, with a full 12" holdover.

This would be a superb crowd-re-motivation device, given a deep hide and high-decibel crowd noise as a baseline.

Now only if Ruger would make a 77/22 Takedown!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at June 14, 2020 08:23 PM (QzJWU)

147 Let's resist the temptation to engage the trolls. Thanks.

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 08:23 PM (MVjcR)

148 @128 Thanks, JT! I finally hit the 3 score and 10 mark. Not bad for an old jarhead who should have gotten his ticket punched half a century ago.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at June 14, 2020 08:23 PM (Xc7uP)

149 Good work Weasel.

My experience with the ladder test has been hit or miss. My mentor, ( of "the Houston Warehouse " ) group finally convinced me that the most important factors are the three B's; bullets, brass and barrel.

Start with a good barrel, although some factory barrels are surprisingly good. CZ barrels shoot lights out on the 204 Ruger and two 223 varmint models I have had.

I only use Lapua brass, and I sort by weight.

I generally use Sierra, Hornady or Bergers.

I like heat stable powders, so Varget and VV135. (Varmint loads mostly for 22 cal. Use IMR4350 for my 243 and 270.)

I start out about a grain or two below max. and load 5 rounds at 1/2 grain increments up to short of max. Keep the jump all the same.Do this for several different bullets.

Shoot groups and find out which gives me the tightest group, then fine tune that by varying the jump.

Then I check and fine tune the powder charge.

If I can get it under 1 minute of angle or 1/2 minute of angel, I'm happy. These 64 year old eyes are not what they were 40 years ago.

Then I test it out to 300 or 400 yards.

Once I have a rifle and load that shoots better than I can aim it, i stop there.

Mostly shooting at prairie dogs and coyotes.

If none of that works, I call my friend and he suggests something that 9 out of 10 times improves things.

Posted by: Charles Martel at June 14, 2020 08:24 PM (HRHn6)

150 Happy Birthday to the President of the United States of America.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 14, 2020 08:24 PM (LS6j5)

151 Sorry I'm late, Boss. But I just had a superb outdoor restaurant meal. I feel human again.
Now to read the content, then make inane comments!

Posted by: RI Red at June 14, 2020 08:24 PM (81P5W)

152 Or is it CNN bullshit?
Posted by: occam's brassiere

Why do you even ask? This is a known fact.

Posted by: Infidel at June 14, 2020 08:25 PM (UPF6H)

153 I use Swedish 6.5 stripper clips in my 03. I found some cheap and they seem to work just fine.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 14, 2020 08:25 PM (yQpMk)

154 Thanks guy for the info. Any thoughts on the Taurus G2C?

Posted by: NCKate at June 14, 2020 08:25 PM (iKL4P)

155 LOL.
Reports from CHAZ that theft is getting out of control:

https://tinyurl.com/ycjwtk88

Hey, you're a Marxist, remember? YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS TO ANY PERSONAL PROPERTY AT ALL. Get used to being stolen from, trust fund tootsie.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 14, 2020 08:26 PM (L2ZTs)

156 After years of procrastinating, finally "pulled the trigger" and bought a Smith and Wesson AR-15 with optical red/green dot sight last week.

All local gun stores in Northern AZ have been sold out of AR-15s for weeks, but found one online at Smokey Mountain Guns and Ammo in TN.

Surprisingly, it was the wifey who insisted I get off my lazy ass and get one ASAP. This recent insanity has her spooked. Now I'm gonna have to justify leaving the USA (like I finally persuaded her over years to leave CA) if a Commie is ever elected POTUS again.

Posted by: ShainS -- No more half measures, Donald at June 14, 2020 08:26 PM (aiSqJ)

157 Posted by: Charles Martel at June 14, 2020 08:24 PM (HRHn6)
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Thanks and welcome!

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 08:26 PM (MVjcR)

158 sorry weasel. I will show myself out.

Posted by: Infidel at June 14, 2020 08:26 PM (UPF6H)

159 Posted by: RI Red at June 14, 2020 08:24 PM (81P5W)
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Howdy brother!

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 08:27 PM (MVjcR)

160 Poll troll gets paid for Sunday work?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 14, 2020 08:28 PM (d1uFV)

161 Mark, don't forget that pollsters absolutely refuse to ever do any work outside of their fave big burning cities full of lefties.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 14, 2020 08:29 PM (L2ZTs)

162 154 Thanks guy for the info. Any thoughts on the Taurus G2C?
Posted by: NCKate at June 14, 2020 08:25 PM (iKL4P)

Very good inexpensive pistol. Somehow Taurus made a real winner there.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 14, 2020 08:29 PM (d1uFV)

163 Posted by: ShainS -- No more half measures, Donald at June 14, 2020 08:26 PM (aiSqJ)
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Congratulations!

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 08:30 PM (MVjcR)

164 Poll troll gets paid for Sunday work?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 14, 2020 08:28 PM

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Double time for Sunday and Holidays.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 14, 2020 08:30 PM (JUOKG)

165 redc1c4, if you're here, what was that gun store you recommended to me here in SoCal a while back?

I think I want to go and just take a look-see, if that's okay. Thanks in advance.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 14, 2020 08:30 PM (L2ZTs)

166 Common tater,

This is in answer to several of your 03 questions.
A) the 1903 and its cousin 03A3 uses a two piece firing pin that was taken from the older Krag rifle. In part, this and the mag cutoff were some of the defense to a patent infringement suit by Mauser as distinguishing the 03 from the 98 Mauser design. It failed to do so. In reality, at least part of this came from US Army doctrine at the time.
B)--the 03 is a striker design--not a hammer. Technically, the firing pin assembly is a striker that is release when you pull the trigger. A hammer fired either has a firing pin mounted to the hammer itself or more often strikes a transfer type plate which transfers the impulse to the actual firing pin.
C) The 03 cocking piece was designed during an era of bad ammunition and thus it could be recocked for a second go at the firing pin. A headless cocking piece was used during the national matches and dropped because it was considered unsafe but it did decrease lock time which is why some sporters have a similarly cut cocking piece.

The minor reason is that it is also a gas shield from a pierced primer or cartridge separation but not really adequate for the job.

Hope these help you out.

Posted by: whig at June 14, 2020 08:30 PM (dQFEv)

167 Weasel,
Ancient memory. I recall that a way to establish bullet seating depth was to mark the bullet with a marker or something that would show where the bullet met the lands. The neck was just tight enough to hold the bullet in place. Close the bolt, open, then see if there were any marks on the bullet. (Have a rod available in case the bullet pulls out of the case.)

This wouldn't be as precise as your method of course but might be a down and dirty approximation. That's if I remember the process correctly which is not a sure thing.

Posted by: JTB at June 14, 2020 08:30 PM (7EjX1)

168 Posted by: qdpsteve at June 14, 2020 08:29 PM (L2ZTs)

Polls are almost always garbage.
You can write a poll to get any result you want to. You gotta show the questions, the methodology, all responses (including no response).

Poll troll is garbage too

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 14, 2020 08:31 PM (d1uFV)

169 158 sorry weasel. I will show myself out.
Posted by: Infidel at June 14, 2020 08:26 PM (UPF6H)
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Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 08:31 PM (MVjcR)

170 So when we say "buy ammo" are we talking defense rounds? or not? For instance Heidis carrys is a Ruger 38 special. 1000 rounds are $199. But then there's hollow points she has as carry rounds.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 14, 2020 08:32 PM (XEfKE)

171 164 Poll troll gets paid for Sunday work?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 14, 2020 08:28 PM

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Double time for Sunday and Holidays.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 14, 2020 08:30 PM (JUOKG)

That explains it

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 14, 2020 08:32 PM (d1uFV)

172 Mark, yup.
Plus the fact that the news agencies are gonna go all-in on the same strategy as 2016:

"Trump is hopeless! He can't win!! No way no how!! Stay home deplorables!! Your time is up!! No one wants you to vote and no one cares!! Your votes don't matter!! Stay at home!!" :-P

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 14, 2020 08:32 PM (L2ZTs)

173 Range time with Mark was theraputic.

I borrowed an AK47 from the shop and got a couple boxes of ammo. I wanted to feel a good kick and put louder, larger holes in paper.

I also shot a box of .45 and a box of 9mm. I emptied 15 rounds as rapidly as possible at 10 yards and the target was shredded.

I am confident I could stop someone who would try to hurt me.

I miss my marine boy. He will be stationed at Camp Pendleton next month. Hopefully I will be able to get on base and see him soon.

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 14, 2020 08:33 PM (U2p+3)

174 170 So when we say "buy ammo" are we talking defense rounds? or not? For instance Heidis carrys is a Ruger 38 special. 1000 rounds are $199. But then there's hollow points she has as carry rounds.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 14, 2020 08:32 PM (XEfKE)

Buy some carry ammo, but more range ammo. Practice is important (and fun)

Or you can just buy SJWC and use them for both range and carry...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 14, 2020 08:33 PM (d1uFV)

175 167 Weasel,
Ancient memory. I recall that a way to establish bullet seating depth was to mark the bullet with a marker or something that would show where the bullet met the lands. The neck was just tight enough to hold the bullet in place. Close the bolt, open, then see if there were any marks on the bullet. (Have a rod available in case the bullet pulls out of the case.)

This wouldn't be as precise as your method of course but might be a down and dirty approximation. That's if I remember the process correctly which is not a sure thing.
Posted by: JTB at June 14, 2020 08:30 PM (7EjX1)
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That will show you where the rifling starts, but you still need to determine the correct jump.

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 08:33 PM (MVjcR)

176 Common tater,
Oh, and btw, dryfiring these is fine but make sure to get some spare firing pins if you do this without snap caps. Sometimes old metal can get brittle and the new old stock military surplus firing pins are beginning to dry up. Rarely, the firing pin rod on which the firing pin is mounted can do break but this is a very rare occurrence. In the Army, these firing pins were plentiful so dry firing was no problem. Almost all military rifles aside from .22 trainers can be dry fired without an issue as it was used to train recruits and have robust firing pin assemblies.

Dry firing .22 Military trainers, it is advisable to use snap caps because parts are running short on these if you break a firing pin and you do not want to burr the chamber with the firing pin.

Posted by: whig at June 14, 2020 08:34 PM (dQFEv)

177 Bought 2, 10 round mags for our Rem 308 carbine pump. Nice gun. Maybe a reflex sight too?
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 14, 2020 07:20 PM (XEfKE)

This is the Rem760, yes? Be sure to test out those 10rd mags- I have admittedly limited experience with those, but my takeaway was that even the good mags wouldn't function with more than 7 rounds loaded. I don't think I tried the Remington brand mags though, maybe the OEM can actually make them work.

The 760 is a real neat gun. A pump action centerfire rifle is uncommon to begin with, and the receiver looks enough like the 870 shotgun that it gets a lot of confused double-takes at the range.

Posted by: Lazy Messenger at June 14, 2020 08:34 PM (KP12d)

178 The Nurse's 1911 groups would terrify any bad guy.

Seriously

And that's with a $400 pistol.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 14, 2020 08:34 PM (d1uFV)

179 @159...really nothing too concerning for Team Trump there. Maybe Wisconsin. That's arguably outside the margin of Trump poll lag (a proven combination of confusion about registered and likely voters, some Trump voters dizinclination to say so to pollsters, and outright lying by polling orgs), but Trump didn't need Wisky in 2016. A nice to have. Better luck with the next one!

Posted by: occam's brassiere at June 14, 2020 08:34 PM (ja/kn)

180 Jim, you have mail.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 14, 2020 08:35 PM (DMUuz)

181 Posted by: qdpsteve at June 14, 2020 08:32 PM (L2ZTs)

Yah, Biden is just a sock full of fail, so their move now is violence and intimidation vs the normies and discouragement vs us.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 14, 2020 08:36 PM (d1uFV)

182 Also: Hello Mark and Nurse! I need to catch up with y'alls at the range one of these Saturdays.

Posted by: Lazy Messenger at June 14, 2020 08:37 PM (KP12d)

183 Maybe one of you guys who have been around the sport a while can tell me... Was it common in the 70s/80s (when I suspect my rifle was rebarreled) to throat barrels with a lot of free bore? I used the Stoney Point tool (actually Hornady branded but the same thing) and if I push a 168 HPBT out to touch the lands, it will literally fall out of the case. I'm starting to wonder if I'm wasting my time and $$ trying to get this thing to shoot.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 14, 2020 08:37 PM (qc+VF)

184 BTW, you folks dealing with shooting glasses just aren't blind enough. "-)

Since I can't see clearly much beyond 4 inches I must wear glasses. (Can't deal with contact lenses anymore.) I make sure my prescription lenses are shatter proof. I also prefer larger glasses that cover more than fashionable, narrow frames. They have paid off a few times, especially when using BP percussion guns.

Posted by: JTB at June 14, 2020 08:37 PM (7EjX1)

185 183 Maybe one of you guys who have been around the sport a while can tell me... Was it common in the 70s/80s (when I suspect my rifle was rebarreled) to throat barrels with a lot of free bore? I used the Stoney Point tool (actually Hornady branded but the same thing) and if I push a 168 HPBT out to touch the lands, it will literally fall out of the case. I'm starting to wonder if I'm wasting my time and $$ trying to get this thing to shoot.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 14, 2020 08:37 PM (qc+VF)
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Maybe go to a longer heavier bullet?

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 08:38 PM (MVjcR)

186 The 760 is a real neat gun. A pump action centerfire rifle is uncommon to begin with, and the receiver looks enough like the 870 shotgun that it gets a lot of confused double-takes at the range.

Posted by: Lazy Messenger at June 14, 2020 08:34 PM (KP12d)

Thanks Lazy. the carbine is so balanced and maneuverable. Just perfect really for a defense weapon IMHO. Ill make sure the mags work consistently...wanted something more than the 4 round clip.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 14, 2020 08:38 PM (XEfKE)

187 182 Also: Hello Mark and Nurse! I need to catch up with y'alls at the range one of these Saturdays.
Posted by: Lazy Messenger at June 14, 2020 08:37 PM (KP12d)

yes, indeed. Or we can try another outdoor trip. Got a collapsable cart now and the weather should improve in a week or two...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 14, 2020 08:39 PM (d1uFV)

188 And I'm back.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 14, 2020 08:39 PM (NWiLs)

189 Have you ever noticed that girls are cuter when they're holding a gun?

Posted by: Emmie at June 14, 2020 08:40 PM (clsJu)

190 188 And I'm back.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 14, 2020 08:39 PM (NWiLs)

yea!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 14, 2020 08:40 PM (d1uFV)

191 188 And I'm back.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 14, 2020 08:39 PM (NWiLs)
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Howdy Insom!

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 08:40 PM (MVjcR)

192 Range Rant and Muzzle Loader Issue...

Do people at your range constantly rip holes in the range supplied sandbags by placing their muzzle to close to the bags? This afternoon, I swear 90% of the bags had at least one powder burn-stained hole. WTF?
As for the muzzle loader issue, I'm shooting an in-line gun (Remington Ultimate), and my load consists of either a 270 gr. Federal Bore-LOK bullet or a similar weight saboted bullet over 120 gr. of Black Horn powder. The sabot load shoots consistently within 2" at 100 yards. However, the Bore-LOK will put two or so rounds within a few inches of each other and then throw one a foot away, usually to the left. The reason I'm trying the Bore LOK is to comply with CO hunting laws (no sabot allowed during ML season). Anyone else have issues with these or other non-sabot loads (ex. Power Belt)?

Posted by: PacosMojo at June 14, 2020 08:40 PM (LxAtf)

193 Lazy Messenger,
We were talking about you yesterday. Would love to get back into the woods for some long gun shooting and some IDPA practice. Please. Soon. I promise not to bash you in the chin with my head when I hug you.

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 14, 2020 08:40 PM (U2p+3)

194 Hey Mark! Hey Weasel!

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 14, 2020 08:40 PM (NWiLs)

195 Thank you weasel. Good discussion. It's all above my head a bit.

I'm happy to have 75% center mass at 7 yards in stand up shooting. Range open next weekend, so that's my first goal.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 14, 2020 08:40 PM (u82oZ)

196 Was talking about getting mugged in NYC with a friend on FB.

Have a question: has anyone ever carried a 'spare wallet' cheapo in a high-crime area with $20 and some change in it, just so if the thugs target you, you have something near-worthless to give them in the hope they'll take the money and run? Or would the mugger most likely say "okay, now give me your REAL wallet!"?

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 14, 2020 08:40 PM (L2ZTs)

197 189 Have you ever noticed that girls are cuter when they're holding a gun?
Posted by: Emmie at June 14, 2020 08:40 PM (clsJu)

Can confirm

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 14, 2020 08:40 PM (d1uFV)

198 Is there a reason May isn't significant but June is? Or is it CNN bullshit?

EVERYTHING the Communist News Network says is a lie, including all the prepositions. It is all designed to cause FUD, Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt. Listen to anything they have to say at your great peril.

Posted by: An Observation at June 14, 2020 08:41 PM (Kua8E)

199 Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 14, 2020 08:40 PM (u82oZ)
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Ahoy, Salty!

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 08:41 PM (MVjcR)

200 Note, my huge preference is just to stay far away from anywhere I have to worry about muggers.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 14, 2020 08:41 PM (L2ZTs)

201 Oh yes, girls with guns are marvelous.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 14, 2020 08:41 PM (NWiLs)

202 JYB @ 184- I wear contacts 90 percent of the time and at work I wear Dewalt safety glasses (dark) over them. Besides wrapping around to sides they are just way cool.

Posted by: Eromero at June 14, 2020 08:41 PM (XhWtx)

203 143 @131...DJT's Gallup approval rating was 49% a month ago. Recent events have taken a toll. But if it goes down that much in a month, why can't it recover? If the metric was approval rating in mid May, he'd be in OK shape. But in June it's doomsday, no budging, no hope? Is there a reason May isn't significant but June is? Or is it CNN bullshit?
Posted by: occam's brassiere at June 14, 2020 08:21 PM (ja/kn)

Or is it CNN bullshit?

I think you answered your own question. ob.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 14, 2020 08:41 PM (sy5kK)

204 That reloading bench looks much closer to my... everything. Less "Southern Living" and more Real Living.

Posted by: GWB at June 14, 2020 08:42 PM (mRtYs)

205 196 Was talking about getting mugged in NYC with a friend on FB.

Have a question: has anyone ever carried a 'spare wallet' cheapo in a high-crime area with $20 and some change in it, just so if the thugs target you, you have something near-worthless to give them in the hope they'll take the money and run? Or would the mugger most likely say "okay, now give me your REAL wallet!"?
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 14, 2020 08:40 PM (L2ZTs)

I know folks who do that. They drop the wallet with the $20 AND then run.

I got mugged once.

Now I carry a gun. I also don't carry cash.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 14, 2020 08:42 PM (d1uFV)

206 Mark, that's the best idea.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 14, 2020 08:43 PM (L2ZTs)

207 I know folks who do that. They drop the wallet with the $20 AND then run.

I got mugged once.

Now I carry a gun. I also don't carry cash.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 14, 2020 08:42 PM (d1uFV)

Or you could learn hamboning.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 14, 2020 08:43 PM (NWiLs)

208 Maybe go to a longer heavier bullet?

Actually, I think I need to go shorter and lighter. It's a 14" twist and when i tried some Federal GM with 175s, it grouped well at 100 yards and then went all shotgun patterned at 200. The bullet I tried last was a Sierra 155 MK Palma. It's holding just under 1 MOA at both 100 and 200 seated out to SAAMI max OAL which is still like .100 off the lands.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 14, 2020 08:44 PM (qc+VF)

209 Yes, I have used the "drop wallet".
And I duly gave it up.
And then they took it and ran away and I didn't have to escalate the situation, shall we say.
My total loss was about $2.

Posted by: navybrat, largely at large at June 14, 2020 08:44 PM (w7KSn)

210 Insom, hamboning? Is that like spamming your mugger? ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 14, 2020 08:44 PM (L2ZTs)

211 Have you ever noticed that girls are cuter when they're holding a gun?
Posted by: Emmie at June 14, 2020 08:40 PM

Add dabs of Hoppe's No. 9 behind the ears and knees, and you've taken it to 11.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 14, 2020 08:44 PM (DMUuz)

212 navybrat, hmmm, thanks!

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 14, 2020 08:44 PM (L2ZTs)

213 Now I'm gonna have to justify leaving the USA (like I finally persuaded her over years to leave CA) if a Commie is ever elected POTUS again.
Posted by: ShainS -- No more half measures, Donald at June 14, 2020 08:26 PM (aiSqJ)

Where would you go, Shain?

Posted by: Emmie at June 14, 2020 08:45 PM (clsJu)

214 Have you ever noticed that girls are cuter when they're holding a gun?

And if they aren't, you just keep it to yourself.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 14, 2020 08:45 PM (qc+VF)

215 207 I know folks who do that. They drop the wallet with the $20 AND then run.

I got mugged once.

Now I carry a gun. I also don't carry cash.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 14, 2020 08:42 PM (d1uFV)

Or you could learn hamboning.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 14, 2020 08:43 PM (NWiLs)

Mmm....ham....

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 14, 2020 08:45 PM (d1uFV)

216 210 Insom, hamboning? Is that like spamming your mugger? ;-)
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 14, 2020 08:44 PM (L2ZTs)

Regular Show reference.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 14, 2020 08:45 PM (NWiLs)

217 Welp, That is a LOT to digest, Weasel. I'll have to re-read tomorrow. As things settle down here in the new digs, I'm getting more antsy about NOT getting to the range. Going to have to be more... engaged/forceful in my search for a place. And I'll have to build a new assembly bench for the fluffy builds I brought with me.

Must work in the am, so, I'll be signing off now. ThanX! Weasel and everyone for the knowledge and camaraderie. Nite, all!

McGyver, out

Posted by: McGyver at June 14, 2020 08:45 PM (0ssRW)

218 183 Bob,
How much wear and tear does your rifle have? Your throat will gradually creep forward with use and the faint beginnings of rifling are basically blasted away. This is accelerated by loading hot or by some cartridges that are hot to begin with.

Each rifle is an individual to itself and some will fire quite fine with not seating the bullets out the rifling if the throat is concentric in wear or design. If the wear or reaming of the throat is not concentric--it will probably not be accurate anyway as the bullets are entering the rifling canted--not good.

What generally happens with an extended throat is you lose a bit of velocity and this drops pressures compared to a test barrel if not seating bullets to near the rifling. Weatherby rifles and Swedish Mausers (1917 rifles and the P14 as well) for having long throats but excellent accuracy.

Match type or benchrest are excluded from this. These are another separate world.

Posted by: whig at June 14, 2020 08:45 PM (dQFEv)

219 I'm pretty sure I couldn't even see a target a mile away, LOL.
Excellent shot, young lady.

Posted by: navybrat, largely at large at June 14, 2020 08:46 PM (w7KSn)

220 This afternoon, I swear 90% of the bags had at least one powder burn-stained hole. WTF?

It is the M4 design ARs that do that. The hand grip extends out so close to the muzzle device that it is easy to have a sandbag ripped up by muzzle blast, even though the hand grip is properly supported by the bag. I found that out the hard way.

Posted by: An Observation at June 14, 2020 08:47 PM (Kua8E)

221 Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 14, 2020 08:44 PM (qc+VF)
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Maybe try the jump test and seat them a little deeper until you like the result?

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 08:47 PM (MVjcR)

222 More fun with fake drop wallets: take an old debit-only card that's worthless and put it in.

When the mugger checks your balance, it tells them a fake address and that they still owe the bank $15. ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 14, 2020 08:47 PM (L2ZTs)

223 Weasel a fun subject might be the nomenclature of cartridges and what the numbers represent.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at June 14, 2020 08:47 PM (2DOZq)

224 If we have drones, the opposition is getting IED's dropped on them.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at June 14, 2020 07:24 PM (WEBkv)

Going Philly Cop on them, are you?

Posted by: GWB at June 14, 2020 08:48 PM (mRtYs)

225 Posted by: McGyver at June 14, 2020 08:45 PM (0ssRW)
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'Night McGyver!

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 08:48 PM (MVjcR)

226 Poll troll gets paid for Sunday work?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 14, 2020 08:28 PM

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Double time for Sunday and Holidays.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 14, 2020 08:30 PM (JUOKG)

That explains it
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 14, 2020 08:32 PM (d1uFV)

Well, they have no families or friends and certainly don't go to church, so why not?

Posted by: LASue at June 14, 2020 08:49 PM (s7jaT)

227 "More fun with fake drop wallets: take an old debit-only card that's worthless and put it in."

Oh yeah, mine had all that.
Plus printed currencies from countries that no longer exist.

Posted by: navybrat, largely at large at June 14, 2020 08:49 PM (w7KSn)

228 I'm hearing about CHAZ that people outside it should take their drones and bomb their porta-potties.

Yeah, it's a suicide mission for the tech but still fun to make the revolutionaries wince.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 14, 2020 08:49 PM (L2ZTs)

229 226 Poll troll gets paid for Sunday work?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 14, 2020 08:28 PM

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Double time for Sunday and Holidays.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 14, 2020 08:30 PM (JUOKG)

That explains it
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 14, 2020 08:32 PM (d1uFV)

Well, they have no families or friends and certainly don't go to church, so why not?
Posted by: LASue at June 14, 2020 08:49 PM (s7jaT)

That also is believable

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 14, 2020 08:50 PM (d1uFV)

230
223 Weasel a fun subject might be the nomenclature of cartridges and what the numbers represent.
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at June 14, 2020 08:47 PM (2DOZq)
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Good idea! We've done a little of that. Thanks!

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 08:50 PM (MVjcR)

231 I was busy with real life during the book thread. But some morons recommended the Hornblower series and I am absolutely enthralled by the end of the second book. Thanks morons.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at June 14, 2020 08:51 PM (9dzlp)

232 navybrat, brilliant.
Also maybe get some money that's used in movie productions and has printed on it "FOR MOTION PICTURE USE ONLY." It looks at first glance like the real thing, but it isn't. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 14, 2020 08:51 PM (L2ZTs)

233 Weasel,
For the folks with more money than me, you can buy a whole set of pressure strain gages to attach to your favorite rifle for testing pressures which is specific to your rifle with a given load.
Recreational Software has the Pressure Trace II system with the software, gages, and glue for the gages total for about 700-800 dollars.

Posted by: whig at June 14, 2020 08:52 PM (dQFEv)

234 Hello, Horde. Mom had been saying she wants a gun in light of recent events. We took her to Sportsman's Warehouse yesterday as a first step, to let her hold a couple and see how it felt. Let's just say it's probably not going to happen.

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 14, 2020 08:53 PM (qrX0b)

235 I got mugged once.

Now I carry a gun. I also don't carry cash.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 14, 2020 08:42 PM

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Somebody tried to mug me once, I laughed in his face when he pulled a knife demanding my wallet and shoved him out of the way. He was screaming at me that he was going to cut me when I walked away but he never came after me.

Most of them are tiny little bullies who need to get smacked down and put in their place.

Granted there are one or two that really mean it, but for the most part they are weak people and if you look at them outside of fear you can spot the weaklings and deal with them.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 14, 2020 08:53 PM (JUOKG)

236 is the cop-hater thread over with yet?

(asking for a friend)

Posted by: deplorable unperson - Black Lives Matter is a terrorist organization at June 14, 2020 08:53 PM (iZJ5K)

237 Maybe try the jump test and seat them a little deeper until you like the result?

That'll be the next variable but it's kind of hard to expect much difference between 0.100 and 0.105 or 0.095.

Whig, based on the way it's stocked and barreled, the rifle appears to be a 70s or 80s era target gun of some type, probably either Palma or silhouette. It's definitely not a field gun. I imagine it spent many years in someone's closet before his heirs sold it to Cabela's for spare change.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 14, 2020 08:53 PM (qc+VF)

238 233 Weasel,
For the folks with more money than me, you can buy a whole set of pressure strain gages to attach to your favorite rifle for testing pressures which is specific to your rifle with a given load.
Recreational Software has the Pressure Trace II system with the software, gages, and glue for the gages total for about 700-800 dollars.
Posted by: whig at June 14, 2020 08:52 PM (dQFEv)
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Thanks whig. I've heard of those but never checked them out.

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 08:54 PM (MVjcR)

239 Range Rant and Muzzle Loader Issue...

Posted by: PacosMojo at June 14, 2020 08:40 PM (LxAtf)

Have we had a post on muzzle loading? I seem to recall one. That would be interesting. (Also interesting would be a couple of posts on building your own weapon from *scratch*.)

Posted by: GWB at June 14, 2020 08:54 PM (mRtYs)

240 I have some currency with my face on it.
I am shirtless, on a steed, the steed has two hooves in the air, which means I died in battle.
I also have a captured maiden also on the steed.
Big smile on my face.
You can get whatever you want in the USA.

Posted by: navybrat, largely at large at June 14, 2020 08:55 PM (w7KSn)

241 redc1c4, if you're here, what was that gun store you recommended to me here in SoCal a while back?

I think I want to go and just take a look-see, if that's okay. Thanks in advance.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 14, 2020 08:30 PM (L2ZTs)

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Martin B Retting in Culver City, American Gun W*rks in Glendale and Addax Tactical in San Fernando are all places we have shopped successfully many times. also Oak Tree Gun Club in Valencia.

avoid Gun World in Burbank... over priced cheaters.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 14, 2020 08:55 PM (5RpHt)

242 red, thanks!
Now at least I have a few places to visit this summer.
:-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 14, 2020 08:55 PM (L2ZTs)

243 234 Hello, Horde. Mom had been saying she wants a gun in light of recent events. We took her to Sportsman's Warehouse yesterday as a first step, to let her hold a couple and see how it felt. Let's just say it's probably not going to happen.
Posted by: Jordan61 at June 14, 2020 08:53 PM (qrX0b)
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Hi Jordan61 - what didn't your mom like?

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 08:56 PM (MVjcR)

244 I have a theory about the lack of a Glock carbine:

They don't have a strong innovator at Glock since Gaston more or less quit work to hang out and screw hot chicks.

Basically Glocks are now just iterative. Slight changes to models to keep selling guns or to mfg in different countries.

The G17, 19 and 26 were innovative. The G20 and 21 were innovative. The G36 even is innovative. But that's about it.

Making a super light polymer 5.56 rifle IS possible (see the What Would Stoner Do rifle InRangeTv has collaborative on). But it's just not getting done.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 14, 2020 08:56 PM (d1uFV)

245 red, also, do you know if Grant's For Guns in Costa Mesa is still operating? It's probably the gun shop closest to me.

I heard they gave up the ghost, but not sure.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 14, 2020 08:56 PM (L2ZTs)

246 Let's just say it's probably not going to happen.

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 14, 2020 08:53 PM (qrX0b)

Why not?

Posted by: GWB at June 14, 2020 08:56 PM (mRtYs)

247 237, from that era, if it fires at 1 MOA with the bullets that it likes, that might be the best it can do absent rebarrelling. That could also be the reason that someone got rid of it.

Have you checked it with a borescope?

Teslong makes a fine one if you have a computer or smartphone handy to show the images. Not that expensive as I paid 50-60 bucks for mine via Amazon.

Posted by: whig at June 14, 2020 08:57 PM (dQFEv)

248 One of these weeks for this thread, I'd appreciate if the 'ettes would share in-action pics of their favorite gun garters. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 14, 2020 08:57 PM (L2ZTs)

249 qdpsteve @ 228- I can promise that a brickbat that lands in a portashitter vent tube cause much reaction to the seated occupant and loads of entertainment to the viewer/brickbat gunner.

Posted by: Eromero at June 14, 2020 08:58 PM (XhWtx)

250 234 Hello, Horde. Mom had been saying she wants a gun in light of recent events. We took her to Sportsman's Warehouse yesterday as a first step, to let her hold a couple and see how it felt. Let's just say it's probably not going to happen.
Posted by: Jordan61 at June 14, 2020 08:53 PM (qrX0b)

My gun-phobic elderly parents said this week they might want to get a gun.

It's probably a bad idea. People afraid of guns, like my parents, make bad gun owners.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 14, 2020 08:59 PM (d1uFV)

251 OK, caught up. Lots of new reloading gear I'm trying out. But first question: My new RCBS Gold Medal Micrometer seating die notes that it does NOT provide a crimp. With my regular die, I was putting a .001 crimp in.
Are you then just relying on neck tension? Or are people then putting it through a crimp die?
In partial answer to my own question, the non-crimped rounds were 12 FPS faster than the crimped - weird. I would think that the crimp delays the release, thus building up more pressure.
How 'bout some knowledge, gang?

Posted by: RI Red at June 14, 2020 08:59 PM (81P5W)

252 Eromero, definitely bonus points if a pantifa shitter is painfully squeezing some used tofu and sparks out mid-mission. ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 14, 2020 08:59 PM (L2ZTs)

253 I'd appreciate if the 'ettes would share in-action pics of their favorite gun garters. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 14, 2020 08:57 PM (L2ZTs)

Ooooh, yes!

Posted by: GWB at June 14, 2020 08:59 PM (mRtYs)

254 paperwork. Lots and lots of paperwork from this one instant

https://www.espiker.com/p/whoops

Posted by: Kindltot at June 14, 2020 09:00 PM (WyVLE)

255 Thank you all, Gentlemen, for the information and advice on the 1903A3. It is an interesting design, a lot of history of course and a huge time sink to research.

Looks like an extra "striker", (firing pin) extractor, and mainspring would be inexpensive insurance. I remember it kicks like a mule. And loud. They didn't mess around back in the day.

Posted by: Common Tater at June 14, 2020 09:00 PM (Ixqnq)

256
248 One of these weeks for this thread, I'd appreciate if the 'ettes would share in-action pics of their favorite gun garters. :-)
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 14, 2020 08:57 PM (L2ZTs)
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IrishEi recently sent something along those lines I need to figure oIt how to use in a thread.

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 09:00 PM (MVjcR)

257 234 Hello, Horde. Mom had been saying she wants a gun in light of recent events. We took her to Sportsman's Warehouse yesterday as a first step, to let her hold a couple and see how it felt. Let's just say it's probably not going to happen.
Posted by: Jordan61 at June 14, 2020 08:53 PM (qrX0b)

Take her to a range that lets her rent guns.

Start with .22's. No kick and less noise.

Shooting a gun is much different than holding one in a store. It completes the cycle to remind you why you bought it in the first place. And instead of fear of the gun (all those bad stories from gun-haters) you focus on hitting a target, which is the fun part.

Focus on the fun. You remember when you started hitting the inside rings, and now it becomes a challenge to repeat it.

I like sitting in a fast car in the showroom, but until I go around a few corners and jump on it off the line, I don't get the experience. Kinda like that.

Anyway, Jordan, good luck, your Mom has the right intentions already, she just needs a little more support and guidance. And say hi to Mr. Jordan.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 14, 2020 09:00 PM (sy5kK)

258 Hi Jordan61 - what didn't your mom like?
Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 08:56 PM (MVjcR)

She was really, really uncomfortable handling them. And every little noise it made she jumped a foot. Racking the slide, dry firing, dropping the magazine. When we left she started talking about getting a taser.

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 14, 2020 09:01 PM (qrX0b)

259 Weasel, we're the Horde. Gun garters are a perfectly fine solo topic for the weekly firearms thread. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 14, 2020 09:01 PM (L2ZTs)

260 Hi All. Just bought a Winchester SXP Defender shotgun for home defense. 18.5 inch barrel. I've shot rifles and shotguns before in scouting (as a boy and adult) but not much. I've always read that the best gun is the one that you have and that you are trained to use. But not a lot of classes on defensive shotgun use. I'm planning on getting a one-on-one lesson at one of the few ranges that allow shotguns, but any other ideas on how to train welcome.

Posted by: Chris not rock at June 14, 2020 09:02 PM (WO0/g)

261 and, if you want to drive down to El Cajon, tell David Chong at AO Sword hello for us.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 14, 2020 09:02 PM (5RpHt)

262 Have you checked it with a borescope?

Teslong makes a fine one if you have a computer or smartphone handy to show the images. Not that expensive as I paid 50-60 bucks for mine via Amazon.

I have not. I'll check Amazon for the Teslong. It's not like they don't get at least 60 bucks a week from me anyway.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 14, 2020 09:02 PM (qc+VF)

263 175 ... "That will show you where the rifling starts, but you still need to determine the correct jump."

Weasel,
Thanks for the clarification. That's why I ask questions instead of just assuming I remember something correctly. I usually get just enough right to be in the ballpark but not hit the ball.

Posted by: JTB at June 14, 2020 09:02 PM (7EjX1)

264 Hi All. Yay, gun thread! Thanks Weas.

I am thinking about a carbine that's easy for the wife. For no reason, shying away from AR platform. Any moron thoughts about Ruger's Mini-14 in 5.56mm?

Posted by: goatexchange at June 14, 2020 09:03 PM (iUjXP)

265 Looks like an extra "striker", (firing pin) extractor, and mainspring would be inexpensive insurance. I remember it kicks like a mule. And loud. They didn't mess around back in the day.
Posted by: Common Tater at June 14, 2020 09:00 PM (Ixqnq)

Great! I think last time I looked SARCO, Inc. had strikers for $7.40.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 14, 2020 09:03 PM (Z+IKu)

266
Weasel, no WeaselDog again this week?

Is she still in Hollywood, negotiating those syndication deals for your videos?

Or is she giving WD2 acting lessons?

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 14, 2020 09:03 PM (sy5kK)

267 Posted by: RI Red at June 14, 2020 08:59 PM (81P5W)
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In a rifle cartridge, the neck tension provides the crimp. Neck tension is adjusted by a bushing in the die.

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 09:03 PM (MVjcR)

268 Posted by: Jordan61 at June 14, 2020 09:01 PM (qrX0b)

Sounds like a candidate for a .22 revolver. Better than nothing.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at June 14, 2020 09:03 PM (2DOZq)

269 Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 14, 2020 09:00 PM (sy5kK)

Hi LCD. I'm going to suggest that to her; there is a range in Post Falls that lets you rent as many guns as you want in one caliber for $8. You have to pay for the ammo, but .22 ammo is cheap so that's fine.

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 14, 2020 09:04 PM (qrX0b)

270 Mark Andre Edwards @ 244- Up thread I asked if any y'all had a Micro Roni Glock conversion. I have a handful of G17s begging to be slipped in a Micro Roni. I'm so gittin one them thangs.

Posted by: Eromero at June 14, 2020 09:04 PM (XhWtx)

271 Weasel, thanks for the interesting and not at all "long and bigly boring Gun Thread topic".

Posted by: Braenyard at June 14, 2020 09:04 PM (q0Dei)

272 Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 14, 2020 09:03 PM (sy5kK)
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Ha! Didn't make it to the farm this week. WD and WDv2 are getting along nicely, though!

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 09:05 PM (MVjcR)

273 red, thanks :-)
There's also a casino in El Cajon I've wanted to check out for years, Viejas.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 14, 2020 09:05 PM (L2ZTs)

274 264 Hi All. Yay, gun thread! Thanks Weas.

I am thinking about a carbine that's easy for the wife. For no reason, shying away from AR platform. Any moron thoughts about Ruger's Mini-14 in 5.56mm?
Posted by: goatexchange at June 14, 2020 09:03 PM (iUjXP)

At 100 yards or less....it's fine. They are not super accurate but for short range defense, the Mini 14 is good enough.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 14, 2020 09:05 PM (d1uFV)

275 And on the plus side, I found a Browning .22 that I'm probably going to get for myself.

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 14, 2020 09:05 PM (qrX0b)

276 275 And on the plus side, I found a Browning .22 that I'm probably going to get for myself.
Posted by: Jordan61 at June 14, 2020 09:05 PM (qrX0b)

:fistbump:

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 14, 2020 09:06 PM (d1uFV)

277 Any moron thoughts about Ruger's Mini-14 in 5.56mm?
Posted by: goatexchange at June 14, 2020 09:03 PM (iUjXP

Get a Kel Tec bullpup and then let me know if I should get one.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at June 14, 2020 09:06 PM (2DOZq)

278 One day when I get the fuck out of jersey I may take up shooting again.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at June 14, 2020 09:06 PM (9Om/r)

279 Well, speaking for myself, I now carry all my waking hours.
I wish didn't have to. I never thought we would be here.
But, here we are.

Posted by: navybrat, largely at large at June 14, 2020 09:06 PM (w7KSn)

280 Hi Jordan61 - what didn't your mom like?
Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 08:56 PM (MVjcR)

She was really, really uncomfortable handling them. And every little noise it made she jumped a foot. Racking the slide, dry firing, dropping the magazine. When we left she started talking about getting a taser.
Posted by: Jordan61

Perhaps a revolver (.38?) would be a better choice for a 1st gun.

Posted by: JT at June 14, 2020 09:06 PM (arJlL)

281 I am thinking about a carbine that's easy for the wife. For no reason, shying away from AR platform. Any moron thoughts about Ruger's Mini-14 in 5.56mm?
Posted by: goatexchange at June 14, 2020 09:03 PM (iUjXP)

At 100 yards or less....it's fine. They are not super accurate but for short range defense, the Mini 14 is good enough.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 14, 2020 09:05 PM (d1uFV)

At which point I'd start thinking about a pistol-caliber carbine instead.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 14, 2020 09:06 PM (t+qrx)

282 270 Mark Andre Edwards @ 244- Up thread I asked if any y'all had a Micro Roni Glock conversion. I have a handful of G17s begging to be slipped in a Micro Roni. I'm so gittin one them thangs.
Posted by: Eromero at June 14, 2020 09:04 PM (XhWtx)

I have not tried one of those yet.
Let me know what you think of yours.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 14, 2020 09:06 PM (d1uFV)

283 271 Weasel, thanks for the interesting and not at all "long and bigly boring Gun Thread topic".
Posted by: Braenyard at June 14, 2020 09:04 PM (q0Dei)
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Thanks! My pleasure.

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 09:06 PM (MVjcR)

284 paperwork. Lots and lots of paperwork from this one instant

https://www.espiker.com/p/whoops

Posted by: Kindltot at June 14, 2020 09:00 PM (WyVLE)

I love the shooter's look to his (probably) NCO. WTH, Sarge? It wasn't my fault!

Posted by: GWB at June 14, 2020 09:07 PM (mRtYs)

285 Lotta pics out there of women who have gun garter tattoos.

I guess that's handy if you're ever threatened by a tattoo of a home invader...

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 14, 2020 09:07 PM (L2ZTs)

286 There's also a casino in El Cajon I've wanted to check out for years, Viejas.
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 14, 2020 09:05 PM (L2ZTs)

Just jumping in here to say that Barona is pretty kickass. We used to go there all the time.

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 14, 2020 09:07 PM (qrX0b)

287 280 Hi Jordan61 - what didn't your mom like?
Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 08:56 PM (MVjcR)

She was really, really uncomfortable handling them. And every little noise it made she jumped a foot. Racking the slide, dry firing, dropping the magazine. When we left she started talking about getting a taser.
Posted by: Jordan61

Perhaps a revolver (.38?) would be a better choice for a 1st gun.
Posted by: JT at June 14, 2020 09:06 PM (arJlL)

Ohhh Lord, now you've done it.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 14, 2020 09:08 PM (NWiLs)

288 281 I am thinking about a carbine that's easy for the wife. For no reason, shying away from AR platform. Any moron thoughts about Ruger's Mini-14 in 5.56mm?
Posted by: goatexchange at June 14, 2020 09:03 PM (iUjXP)

At 100 yards or less....it's fine. They are not super accurate but for short range defense, the Mini 14 is good enough.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 14, 2020 09:05 PM (d1uFV)

At which point I'd start thinking about a pistol-caliber carbine instead.
Posted by: hogmartin at June 14, 2020 09:06 PM (t+qrx)

Eh. It's still a rifle caliber. More power than a PCC, even a .44 magnum.

The AR is a better choice in every way but if you don't want one....then sure.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 14, 2020 09:08 PM (d1uFV)

289 FWIW, Bob, Most of my rifles are military surplus bolt actions so on some, if I can shoot 3 MOA with open sights, I am happy with it.

My peep sighted military rifles generally do a little better but then again, most of them have new old stock barrels on them with excellent headspace, chambers, and rifling.

I have the Stony Point tools with the bullet comparator, headspace gages, etc. but frankly rarely use them as I generally fire my rifles at 100-200 yards maximum as I shoot iron sights.

I played around with them developing some loads for my 03A3 and a Swedish 96/38 Mauser but found little practical difference there as these rifles are just not accurate enough with open sights to tell the difference and I sure was not going to drill and tap these for a scope.

The Stony Point cartridge headspace gages with the comparator set were of more interest and use for a particular technique that is mentioned occasionally but on the fringes so best to leave off here.

On semi-autos, I would not even consider trying to seat out to the rifling as that is an unsound practice to me unless you operate it as a single shot and then what is the point?

Posted by: whig at June 14, 2020 09:08 PM (dQFEv)

290 And I'm not going to rebarrel it. As much as I like futzing around with old* guns, that's $$ I'd just put towards a modern rifle instead.

* old-ish. 60 years isn't "old" is it? Please say no.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 14, 2020 09:09 PM (qc+VF)

291 Walmart back to selling guns and ammo.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 14, 2020 09:09 PM (ErbDj)

292 OK, here's another one: I've found the perfect COAL for my 6.5 cm. But now that I have a micrometer seater that measures from the ogive, how do I convert? I did some half-assed comparison with an old seated round, but I'm seeing my groups opening up.
Of course, I'm in the middle of shoulder setback, new brass, etc., so maybe I need to reduce some variables right now.

Posted by: RI Red at June 14, 2020 09:09 PM (81P5W)

293 Jordan, thanks! I've been wanting to go to Barona for quite some years too.

I'm thinking 2021 is gonna be a major travel year for me. I wouldn't mind having somewhere to go every single month.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 14, 2020 09:09 PM (L2ZTs)

294 Walmart back to selling guns and ammo.
Posted by: Anna Puma

Good.

Posted by: JT at June 14, 2020 09:10 PM (arJlL)

295 I really like the Kel Tec Su-16C.

The only real problem is mounting a sling/light on the damn things.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 14, 2020 09:10 PM (d1uFV)

296
Walmart back to selling guns and ammo.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 14, 2020 09:09 PM (ErbDj)

Sure they are, how else are they going to guns into the hands of the anarchists. Loot and shoot.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at June 14, 2020 09:10 PM (9Om/r)

297 296
Walmart back to selling guns and ammo.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 14, 2020 09:09 PM (ErbDj)

Sure they are, how else are they going to guns into the hands of the anarchists. Loot and shoot.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at June 14, 2020 09:10 PM (9Om/r)

So young and yet so cynical.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 14, 2020 09:11 PM (NWiLs)

298 Hello, Horde. Mom had been saying she wants a gun in light of recent
events. We took her to Sportsman's Warehouse yesterday as a first step,
to let her hold a couple and see how it felt. Let's just say it's
probably not going to happen.

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 14, 2020 08:53 PM (qrX0b)

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suggestion: sign mom up for a "Women on Target NRA class, if there and go with her for moral support (IIRC, you're an 'ette)

by women, for women. it's a testosterone free environment, and the first half of the day is classroom: going over the nomenclature, safety etc, to demystify things.

then, after lunch, out to the range where you will have individual instructors, walking you through the practical application of what was taught that morning.

i went to one a few years back with Herself.

at the time, we had to drive out Barstow way... took some of her gubs, and they let me be one of the safety instructors, after i promised to not be an asshole.

the ladies i coached even fired some of the gubs we brought, some them up to the 44mag. they were a bit hesitant, but perked up when i explained that the were her guns, not mine, and they could see she was just like them.

"if she can do it, so can i"

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 14, 2020 09:11 PM (5RpHt)

299 Posted by: RI Red at June 14, 2020 09:09 PM (81P5W)
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Always measure from the cartridge base to ogive, rather than OAL. The jaggedy point left over from the manufacturing process of hollow points can really screw up your measurements.

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 09:12 PM (MVjcR)

300 Hi LCD. I'm going to suggest that to her; there is a range in Post Falls that lets you rent as many guns as you want in one caliber for $8. You have to pay for the ammo, but .22 ammo is cheap so that's fine.
Posted by: Jordan61 at June 14, 2020 09:04 PM (qrX0b)

Jordan61, I can relate to how your mom feels. I haven't shot very much yet and still feel very uncomfortable handling a gun.

But I assessed the current climate and decided that owning a gun was the responsible thing to do even though the thought of ever needing to use it distresses me. I've considered scenarios ahead of time and realized there are some people who persist in being unrepentantly evil, and if they are threatening an innocent person God may have decided they've used up their last chance.

Posted by: Emmie at June 14, 2020 09:12 PM (clsJu)

301 Stupid NASCAR is preempting Bob's Burgers.

Empty stands. I'm pretending the Covid is chasing the cars. Makes it more interesting.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at June 14, 2020 09:13 PM (2DOZq)

302 worst fake sneeze ever

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 14, 2020 09:13 PM (d1uFV)

303 So young and yet so cynical.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 14, 2020 09:11 PM (NWiLs)

Well wtf, now thats its become fashionable to just take what you want and burn the store to the ground why not start selling guns and ammo again. lol

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at June 14, 2020 09:13 PM (9Om/r)

304 She was really, really uncomfortable handling them.
And every little noise it made she jumped a foot. Racking the slide, dry
firing, dropping the magazine. When we left she started talking about
getting a taser.

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 14, 2020 09:01 PM (qrX0b)

Get her to watch a video of someone pissing themselves while being tased. She might go back to a gun.

But I echo the "start with a .22" advice.
Also, reinforce that *she* is making the noise while _controlling_ the gun. It's *her* noise to make. (Adding in a contrast with the UNcontrolled mayhem possible without the gun is your call.)

Posted by: GWB at June 14, 2020 09:14 PM (mRtYs)

305 The wheels on the car go round and round.

Posted by: Bubba "Karen" Wallace at June 14, 2020 09:14 PM (EgshT)

306 Walmart back to selling guns and ammo.

Posted by: Anna Puma

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I've noticed nobody is wiping down buggies and freezer door handles, either.

Cashiers still have their masks on, though.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - End the systemic racism of affirmative action at June 14, 2020 09:14 PM (eSbYQ)

307 goatexchange, I believe you will see Ruger Mini14s in a lot of movies and tv shows (A-Team). Reason most prefer M-4 style is because Mini14 can get pretty heavy. I know mine is. But I 'got' it from a guy who put every damn roostercomb, frenchtickler and doodad on it that would fit. Damn thing even has a tripod. Accurate as hell, but heavy.

Posted by: Eromero at June 14, 2020 09:15 PM (XhWtx)

308
She was really, really uncomfortable handling them. And every little noise it made she jumped a foot. Racking the slide, dry firing, dropping the magazine. When we left she started talking about getting a taser.
Posted by: Jordan61 at June 14, 2020 09:01 PM (qrX0b)

next time, try a .22 revolver.

load it for her. But if she is as badly spooked as you imply, try another path.

Another idea: Go to an NRA sanctioned gun safety course before you go to the range or the store again.

Most instructors are experienced with newbies, and they talk confidently and knowledgeably. It has a calming effect. And they go slow. Some ranges even have women-only classes, which is even better.

Understand that your mom's brain has been polluted with false information for decades by anti-gun sources. This is why (IMO) she is having negative experiences. Safety training will help her see an alternative to the nonsense others have been saturating her mind with.

First they handle the gun, then pass around a gun, or even a dummy gun made of plastic but the actual size.

They spend time with the basic safety rules, over and over again. Teach the concept of being aware the gun is pointed, and why. It builds confidence, which is really all she needs to move forward.

Safety, safety, safety instead of rack and shoot.

And time. Confidence follows.

I have seen this method work before to someone deathly afraid of firearms.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 14, 2020 09:15 PM (sy5kK)

309 Yeah, I understand that, which is why I got my new seater. But now I think I'm going to have to do my seating trials all over to find the best one, but measured from the ogive instead of the meplat.
Oh, well, it's not like I don't enjoy it.

Posted by: RI Red at June 14, 2020 09:15 PM (81P5W)

310 Comment first, read later.
Range report. Tried the new Magpul bipod. Love it. Put five rounds of cheap .22LR into a .25x.5 inch tear in the paper at 50 yards. Amazing what a stable platform will do for you.
Also tried shooting my EDC M&P Shield .45 at 25 yards. It shoots a smidge low - once I compensated, put 5 rounds in a 4" circle.
My scope (Athlon Cronus BTR) for a 6.5 Creedmoor RPR comes in Tuesday. It's the last component for my first precision rifle. Hoping to be shooting the rifle next week.
Looking to start reloading and SOON! Store bought match 6.5 around here is $1.50 a round.
Shoot with 2nd SiL.
Fun day.

Posted by: Long Running Fool at June 14, 2020 09:16 PM (RnS3H)

311 Posted by: redc1c4 at June 14, 2020 09:11 PM (5RpHt)

I've thought about taking her to my monthly TWAW classes, but...she lives with me and it's something I like to do by myself, you know? I know that's selfish of me.

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 14, 2020 09:16 PM (qrX0b)

312 Jordan61, I like the S&W Ladysmith revolver, the S&W EZ rack, and Sig P365 (which I purchased). Just sharing in case your mom has similar taste in guns.

Posted by: Emmie at June 14, 2020 09:17 PM (clsJu)

313 Posted by: RI Red at June 14, 2020 09:15 PM (81P5W)
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Use a bullet comparator to measure CBTO on a round you like, then adjust the seating die micrometer to match that measurement.

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 09:17 PM (MVjcR)

314 Also the thing I probably enjoy most about 1000 yard shots is pondering how high off the ground the bullet is.

I know a guy who shoots black powder competitively. IIRC he said the bullet is close to 30 feet off the ground at the top of the arc.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - End the systemic racism of affirmative action at June 14, 2020 09:18 PM (eSbYQ)

315 Or is it CNN bullshit?
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Is this a trick question?

Posted by: Bonecrusher at June 14, 2020 09:18 PM (hrRsI)

316 Have you checked it with a borescope?

Teslong makes a fine one if you have a computer or smartphone handy
to show the images. Not that expensive as I paid 50-60 bucks for mine
via Amazon.

I have not. I'll check Amazon for the Teslong. It's not like they don't get at least 60 bucks a week from me anyway.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 14, 2020 09:02 PM (qc+VF)

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we got one of those!

they w*rk great, although you may need to play with the software setting brightness, etc, depending on the size bore you're looking at. snap shots, videos, etc, all in color.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 14, 2020 09:18 PM (5RpHt)

317 This NASCAR race seems like they are following social distance requirements.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at June 14, 2020 09:19 PM (2DOZq)

318 I've thought about taking her to my monthly TWAW classes, but...she lives with me and it's something I like to do by myself, you know? I know that's selfish of me.
Posted by: Jordan61 at June 14, 2020 09:16 PM (qrX0b)

Always keep some stuff for yourself.

I was pressured into inviting...someone nameless...into some of my hobbies. Bad decision.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 14, 2020 09:19 PM (d1uFV)

319 Just saw a pic of Sean Penn. He looks like a homeless glue-sniffer who washes his hair with pancake batter.

Does he even have a fucking job anymore? Or is he living off Fast Times royalty checks?

Fucking knob.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Pushing Irish into the Missouri at June 14, 2020 09:19 PM (x8Wzq)

320 Get a Kel Tec bullpup and then let me know if I should get one.
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at June 14, 2020 09:06 PM (2DOZq)

The RDB! I keep meaning to take mine out to put it through its paces, but it's been waiting in the safe for a long time...

The Neato factor is through the roof, but I had a set of poor experiences with my first-generation RFB so I've been neglecting the RDB because I don't want to break it and spoil the magic.

Posted by: Lazy Messenger at June 14, 2020 09:20 PM (KP12d)

321 This NASCAR race seems like they are following social distance requirements.

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"Six feet? Shoot, we do that all the time."
- Semi trucks on the interstate

Posted by: Moron Robbie - We must end systemic racism by increasing funding for affirmative action at June 14, 2020 09:20 PM (eSbYQ)

322 314 Also the thing I probably enjoy most about 1000 yard shots is pondering how high off the ground the bullet is.

I know a guy who shoots black powder competitively. IIRC he said the bullet is close to 30 feet off the ground at the top of the arc.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - End the systemic racism of affirmative action at June 14, 2020 09:18 PM (eSbYQ)
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At 1000 yds the bore axis is pointing about that high over the target, but the top of the bullet flight is around half that if I recall correctly.

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 09:21 PM (MVjcR)

323 Thanks all for the comments re: Mini-14. I am looking forward to her trying one on a range. Maybe an AR/M-4 also, although i think those will be a little too intimidating for her.

cheers, and happy shooting.

Posted by: goatexchange at June 14, 2020 09:21 PM (iUjXP)

324 Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 14, 2020 09:19 PM (d1uFV)

Thanks, Mark. I just can't help but feel guilty about feeling like that. Damn Catholic upbringing.

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 14, 2020 09:21 PM (qrX0b)

325 Just saw a pic of Sean Penn. He looks like a homeless glue-sniffer who washes his hair with pancake batter.
Does he even have a fucking job anymore? Or is he living off Fast Times royalty checks?
Fucking knob.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Pushing Irish into the Missouri at June 14, 2020 09:19 PM (x8Wzq)

Hahaha.....yup, he's a tool. I liked his fat brother Chris better.

But he's dead now so what ya gonna do.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 14, 2020 09:22 PM (Z+IKu)

326 I've thought about taking her to my monthly TWAW
classes, but...she lives with me and it's something I like to do by
myself, you know? I know that's selfish of me.

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 14, 2020 09:16 PM (qrX0b)

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i can understand that, but if she's that skittish, all the more reason to start with WOT.

if they can't get her over the fright factor, i doubt anything else will. if she gets the bug, you may have a new shooting partner.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 14, 2020 09:22 PM (5RpHt)

327 Long Running Fool, you're going to love the 6.5 CM. And, yes, at a buck and a half a round, reloading is the way. More importantly, I'm now at the point where my reloads consistently shoot better than factory match. More accurate, lower standard deviation and lower extreme spread.
In reality, if I had to amortize all my reloading gear, a 9 mm round is probably about 5 bucks a round!

Posted by: RI Red at June 14, 2020 09:22 PM (81P5W)

328 All you gotta do is shoot through the door man! Cmon!

Posted by: Joe Bidet at June 14, 2020 09:23 PM (buTO7)

329 i love the Whoops video...

at least it was just the barrel assembly, and not the receiver.

now THAT would be a shitload of paperw*rk.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 14, 2020 09:24 PM (5RpHt)

330 Jordan

I imagine they're still in lockdown because it's Yakima Co But The Range there. That's its name, had, before the Flu Manchu several ongoing shooting classes for women only.
For obvious reasons, I haven't attended.
I know that's a long haul for you and your mom.
They also have held beginer classes as well as other events. I don't know if they rent firearms though.

Posted by: Winston, dreg of society at June 14, 2020 09:24 PM (d9Irc)

331 Just saw a pic of Sean Penn. He looks like a homeless glue-sniffer who washes his hair with pancake batter.

Does he even have a fucking job anymore? Or is he living off Fast Times royalty checks?

Fucking knob.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Pushing Irish into the Missouri at June 14, 2020 09:19 PM (x8Wzq)

His bestie Hugo Chavez died, and now Nicolas Maduro and Raul Castro aren't replying to his calls or letting him know when the kiler parties are coming up.

He is also a knob.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 14, 2020 09:25 PM (WyVLE)

332 I've found the perfect COAL for my 6.5 cm.

Posted by: RI Red at June 14, 2020 09:09 PM (81P5W)

Wait, they have coal-fired firearms?
This gives a whole new perspective to my Christmas stocking the last several years....

Posted by: GWB at June 14, 2020 09:25 PM (mRtYs)

333 328 All you gotta do is shoot through the door man! Cmon!
Posted by: Joe Bidet at June 14, 2020 09:23 PM (buTO7)

Thought it was 2 from the balcony.

Posted by: jsg at June 14, 2020 09:26 PM (M8aB+)

334 Posted by: Winston, dreg of society at June 14, 2020 09:24 PM (d9Irc)

The range in Post Falls is open, Idaho is in stage 4. But their classes are all full for the foreseeable future.

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 14, 2020 09:26 PM (qrX0b)

335 At 1000 yds the bore axis is pointing about that high over the target, but the top of the bullet flight is around half that if I recall correctly.

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 09:21 PM (MVjcR)

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Thanks, that's probably right. I was just amazed watching them do it with those old Civil War rifles. Some authentic, too.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - We must end systemic racism by increasing funding for affirmative action at June 14, 2020 09:26 PM (eSbYQ)

336 Jordan, I have grandma's old 22 with 5 shots. I always wondered what .the was in the closet as a kid. It's small enough to be comfortable.

Posted by: Infidel at June 14, 2020 09:27 PM (UPF6H)

337 My brother and SIL pulled their Airstream out for a visit. Thursday night we assembled my brothers first AR, mid-length gas, stainless barrel with nice magpul furniture. We got it sighted in Friday morning and it shoots like a dream. We shot a bunch on Saturday too. We found out that my SIL likes my Marlin 60 a lot. It was a great visit.

Posted by: ck at June 14, 2020 09:28 PM (Gf0Po)

338 question: wouldn't 3 million NCIS checks equate to at least 3 million gubs, give or take a few, since some/many of those could be for more than one gub at a time, and then allowing for the folks who fail for whatever reason?

i know we've bought more than one at a time, a few times, at least before #Failifornia started rationing purchases. (PPT can get you past that bullshit)

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 14, 2020 09:29 PM (5RpHt)

339

Thanks, that's probably right. I was just amazed watching them do it with those old Civil War rifles. Some authentic, too.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - We must end systemic racism by increasing funding for affirmative action at June 14, 2020 09:26 PM (eSbYQ)
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It would be completely different with a BP projectile. I was thinking of a modern cartridge.

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 09:29 PM (MVjcR)

340 Weasel, I enjoyed reading the content though I am not a 'science of stuff' kind of guy, but rather tactical. You done good on this one. I'm outta here for tonight bro.

Posted by: Eromero at June 14, 2020 09:29 PM (XhWtx)

341 It would be completely different with a BP projectile. I was thinking of a modern cartridge.

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 09:29 PM (MVjcR)

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Heck, maybe I heard right after all, then. It's always hard to know for sure at this stage of 29 years old.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - We must end systemic racism by increasing funding for affirmative action at June 14, 2020 09:30 PM (eSbYQ)

342 Great thread, Weasel!

I don't understand a single thing, but it's fun reading the post!

Posted by: Ladyl--now mask-free! at June 14, 2020 09:31 PM (TdMsT)

343 Some excellent news from central WA.
A wanted murder suspect has just been found. I'm assuming at the moment alive, in teh mountains near here.
The hunt has been on for over two weeks. The body of the victim has not yet been found but the suspect was seen driving the missing mans' vehicle which has been recovered.
The topper of course, is that the suspect is an illegal. Has a history of assaults and robberies in King Co/Seattle and was released when the county ignored the ICE detainer.
Sanctuary city strikes again.

Posted by: Winston, dreg of society at June 14, 2020 09:31 PM (d9Irc)

344 Weasel,
Thanks for a good thread. Goodnight.

Posted by: whig at June 14, 2020 09:31 PM (dQFEv)

345 OK, everyone. 9:30. Before y'all drift off to greener threads, I just want to say thank you for spending some of your weekend here with me. You all are the best. Have a great week!

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 09:31 PM (MVjcR)

346
Perhaps a revolver (.38?) would be a better choice for a 1st gun.
Posted by: JT at June 14, 2020 09:06 PM (arJlL)

AHLloyd, is that you?

Posted by: clutch at June 14, 2020 09:31 PM (9UmRs)

347 Anyway, with all my whining, I went up top to the big boy range. Without a spotter - Mrs. Red had an excuse.
Pushed it out to about 625 yds; my handheld range finder is at its max ability. Rung steel consistently.
I'm finding very little wind compensation needed at that range with the 6.5 CM. I made one wind call myself at 525 and brought it right back on.
But I really need a spotter. 'Ettes go to the top of the list.

Posted by: RI Red at June 14, 2020 09:31 PM (81P5W)

348 "...suspect is an illegal."
So, he'll be released right away.
No bail?

Posted by: navybrat, largely at large at June 14, 2020 09:32 PM (w7KSn)

349 Thanks Weasel.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - We must end systemic racism by increasing funding for affirmative action at June 14, 2020 09:32 PM (eSbYQ)

350 Posted by: Eromero at June 14, 2020 09:29 PM (XhWtx)
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Thanks! Night, bro!

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 09:32 PM (MVjcR)

351 345 OK, everyone. 9:30. Before y'all drift off to greener threads, I just want to say thank you for spending some of your weekend here with me. You all are the best. Have a great week!
Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 09:31 PM (MVjcR)

You rock too.

This is one of my highlights of the week.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 14, 2020 09:32 PM (d1uFV)

352 Great job, Weasel!

Posted by: navybrat, largely at large at June 14, 2020 09:33 PM (w7KSn)

353 For those who don't like AR platforms, I've come across some videos on Youtube and some articles on lever action carbines in a pistol cartridge for home defense in place of the AR. I'm not taking a side on that but lever actions can be a suitable replacement and usually don't get the scrutiny of an AR.

Just something for consideration.

Posted by: JTB at June 14, 2020 09:33 PM (7EjX1)

354 Posted by: whig at June 14, 2020 09:31 PM (dQFEv)
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My pleasure, whig. Thanks for being here!

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 09:33 PM (MVjcR)

355 I'm a fan of Ruger. My first gun was a P-89 stainless bought in 1989 in Memphis, during a period of civil unrest there. Through thousands of rounds it has been solid. I have the Rugar 9mm Security 9 and it's PC Carbine partner that share the same magazines and ammo along with a LCP and an EC9s.

My son and I shot about 600 rounds through all three a couple weeks ago.

As an aside, I ordered a case of Federal 9mm from LuckyGunner (they're based in TN) and got it delivered in 2 days. Since I'm in KY, I thought this was pretty sweet. Shipping on a case of ammo is off the hook, tho'.

Posted by: Martini Farmer - Civilly Disobedient at June 14, 2020 09:33 PM (3H9h1)

356 345
OK, everyone. 9:30. Before y'all drift off to greener threads, I just
want to say thank you for spending some of your weekend here with me.
You all are the best. Have a great week!

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 09:31 PM (MVjcR)

YOU'RE the best, Weasel!

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 14, 2020 09:33 PM (qrX0b)

357 Posted by: Ladyl--now mask-free! at June 14, 2020 09:31 PM (TdMsT)
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Thanks Ladyl! Always a pleasure to have you here!

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 09:34 PM (MVjcR)

358
OK, everyone. 9:30. Before y'all drift off to greener threads, I just want to say thank you for spending some of your weekend here with me. You all are the best. Have a great week!

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 09:31 PM

most excellent thread, Weasel (as per your usual)

thanks

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 14, 2020 09:34 PM (IXVOm)

359 Teachers and state workers are bitching that they aren't getting a raise this year. Apparently, we're all in this together extends only so far.

Posted by: jsg at June 14, 2020 09:34 PM (M8aB+)

360 Posted by: navybrat, largely at large at June 14, 2020 09:33 PM (w7KSn)
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Thank you!

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 09:35 PM (MVjcR)

361 Thanks Weasel!

Posted by: dartist at June 14, 2020 09:35 PM (K22Va)

362 I'm a fan of Ruger. My first gun was a P-89 stainless bought in 1989 in Memphis, during a period of civil unrest there.

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Same here. I have more expensive guns, and I have fancier guns, and I have lighter guns, and I have sexier guns, but if I were faced with a situation where I needed to grab one and hit the road indefinitely, the P95 would be in the truck with me. That big ugly thing has never ever let me down.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - We must end systemic racism by increasing funding for affirmative action at June 14, 2020 09:35 PM (eSbYQ)

363 I'm not taking a side on that but lever actions can be a suitable replacement and usually don't get the scrutiny of an AR.

Posted by: JTB at June 14, 2020 09:33 PM (7EjX1)

While I love a lever action, they are pricey compared to a basic AR platform. Of course, given my circumstances the last several years, ALL guns are pricey - lever actions are pricIER.

Posted by: GWB at June 14, 2020 09:35 PM (mRtYs)

364 Posted by: Jordan61 at June 14, 2020 09:33 PM (qrX0b)
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Am not! You're the best!

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 09:36 PM (MVjcR)

365 Yes, he's an idiot and a tool, but Sean Penn really is a very good actor. Not many actors are able or willing to play low IQ characters. He was. An underrated movie is At Close Range, based on the true Chester Country (PA) tractor murders.

It's just too bad so many talented actors, musicians, and artists are lefties and jerks. I wish I knew why.

Posted by: Chris not rock at June 14, 2020 09:36 PM (WO0/g)

366 navybrat
Not in this county.
This is still America here. Also, we lost a sheriff's deputy to an illegal a year or so ago.
He died after wounding a local police officer in a small town about 8 miles from me.
It would be good if this cretin hung himself in jail.
Two or three times.

Posted by: Winston, dreg of society at June 14, 2020 09:36 PM (d9Irc)

367 Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 14, 2020 09:32 PM (d1uFV)
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Thanks MAE. My pleasure.

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 09:36 PM (MVjcR)

368 Thanks Weasel. G'night y'all and thanks for the help.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 14, 2020 09:37 PM (qc+VF)

369 Posted by: dartist at June 14, 2020 09:35 PM (K22Va)
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Happy to do it. Thanks!

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 09:37 PM (MVjcR)

370 Not many actors are able or willing to play low IQ
characters.

Posted by: Chris not rock at June 14, 2020 09:36 PM (WO0/g)

You're assuming he's acting.

Posted by: GWB at June 14, 2020 09:38 PM (mRtYs)

371 Ola, ca va?

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at June 14, 2020 09:39 PM (bgJ0E)

372 Weasel, good advice on the measurement. I obviously wasn't thinking it through. Different tools for ogive, which I'm finally getting together. Thanks.

Posted by: RI Red at June 14, 2020 09:39 PM (81P5W)

373 Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 14, 2020 09:37 PM (qc+VF)
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Anytime BtB. And that was excellent advice You received regarding throat erosion on your barrel. For some reason I was thinking it was a new gun.

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 09:39 PM (MVjcR)

374 For those who don't like AR platforms, I've come
across some videos on Youtube and some articles on lever action carbines
in a pistol cartridge for home defense in place of the AR. I'm not
taking a side on that but lever actions can be a suitable replacement
and usually don't get the scrutiny of an AR.

Just something for consideration.
Posted by: JTB at June 14, 2020 09:33 PM (7EjX1)

I want a Spanish Tigre carbine in 44-40.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 14, 2020 09:39 PM (WyVLE)

375 "Robert Barnes, who wrote: "Protesters in San Antonio now demanding tearing down The Alamo." "

Responce from GeoPBush.

https://preview.tinyurl.com/yc59qont

San Antonio Rangers, SAPD, TXDps, NG

ht/freepers

Posted by: Braenyard at June 14, 2020 09:39 PM (q0Dei)

376 Rossi makes some inexpensive lever action rifles. I have a R92 stainless model in .45LC. It's a very smooth shooting rifle and pretty accurate. To a point.

Posted by: Martini Farmer - Civilly Disobedient at June 14, 2020 09:40 PM (3H9h1)

377 Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at June 14, 2020 09:39 PM (bgJ0E)
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Howdy Amigo!

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 09:40 PM (MVjcR)

378 Before y'all drift off to greener threads, I just want to say thank you for spending some of your weekend here with me. You all are the best. Have a great week!

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 09:31 PM

G'night. If nothing else, your weekly gun thread reminds me that I am a noob.

So. thanks a bunch.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Pushing Irish into the Missouri at June 14, 2020 09:40 PM (x8Wzq)

379 For some reason I was thinking it was a new gun.

I should have stated. It's the Schultz & Larsen that you and Jim SND shot at TxMoMe last year.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 14, 2020 09:40 PM (qc+VF)

380 376 Rossi makes some inexpensive lever action rifles. I have a R92 stainless model in .45LC. It's a very smooth shooting rifle and pretty accurate. To a point.
Posted by: Martini Farmer - Civilly Disobedient at June 14, 2020 09:40 PM (3H9h1)

+1 on Rossi
They make good stuff, though the older stuff is a little better.

I have a model 92 in .44 mag and it's beautiful and functional.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 14, 2020 09:41 PM (d1uFV)

381 Posted by: RI Red at June 14, 2020 09:39 PM (81P5W)
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This stuff can be confusing and sometimes counter intuitive. Happy to help!

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 09:41 PM (MVjcR)

382 364 Posted by: Jordan61 at June 14, 2020 09:33 PM (qrX0b)
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Am not! You're the best!
Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 09:36 PM (MVjcR)

Oh, stop this nonsense. It's universally known that I'M the best.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 14, 2020 09:41 PM (NWiLs)

383 I'm glad I'm retired. Otherwise I'd be hating this thread to end even more because I have to stop drinking so I can get up for work tomorrow.

Posted by: dartist at June 14, 2020 09:42 PM (K22Va)

384 382 364 Posted by: Jordan61 at June 14, 2020 09:33 PM (qrX0b)
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Am not! You're the best!
Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 09:36 PM (MVjcR)

Oh, stop this nonsense. It's universally known that I'M the best.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 14, 2020 09:41 PM (NWiLs)

Better than all the rest?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 14, 2020 09:42 PM (d1uFV)

385
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Pushing Irish into the Missouri at June 14, 2020 09:40 PM (x8Wzq)
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My pleasure. Thank you!

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 09:42 PM (MVjcR)

386 Insom
I haven't met you but have met Jordan
Imma throw in with Weasel on this one

Posted by: Winston, dreg of society at June 14, 2020 09:43 PM (d9Irc)

387 Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 14, 2020 09:40 PM (qc+VF)
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No worries! That's what I get for thinking.

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 09:43 PM (MVjcR)

388 Gun Thread Trivia:

Today I learned that a "pound" was determined to be 7,000 plump grains of wheat.

And that's why we still use grains to measure powder charge and that there are 7,000 grains to the pound.

Posted by: Dan at June 14, 2020 09:44 PM (+NG5U)

389

Jordan, here is a video that your mom can watch, to let her gain confidence at her own speed.

https://tinyurl.com/unvu5zl

I like this video, quiet, peaceful voice, and explains even before safety, basic nomenclature of firearms.

Cars are way more dangerous than guns. Your mom drives a two-ton killing machine, right? Oh, she hasn't killed anyone with her car? Well then, firearms will be easy in comparison.

Good luck!

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 14, 2020 09:45 PM (sy5kK)

390
Today I learned that a "pound" was determined to be 7,000 plump grains of wheat.

And that's why we still use grains to measure powder charge and that there are 7,000 grains to the pound.
Posted by: Dan at June 14, 2020 09:44 PM (+NG5U)
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That's right!

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 09:46 PM (MVjcR)

391 Now to go back and watch the young lady shoot at a mile. Heck, I'm only 62.5% of the way to my 2020 goal of 1000 yds.

Posted by: RI Red at June 14, 2020 09:47 PM (81P5W)

392 384 382 364 Posted by: Jordan61 at June 14, 2020 09:33 PM (qrX0b)
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Am not! You're the best!
Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 09:36 PM (MVjcR)

Oh, stop this nonsense. It's universally known that I'M the best.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 14, 2020 09:41 PM (NWiLs)

Better than all the rest?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 14, 2020 09:42 PM (d1uFV)

The best around. And no one's gonna ever bring me down!

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 14, 2020 09:47 PM (NWiLs)

393 386 Insom
I haven't met you but have met Jordan
Imma throw in with Weasel on this one

Posted by: Winston, dreg of society at June 14, 2020 09:43 PM (d9Irc)

Boob privilege. I see how it is.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 14, 2020 09:48 PM (NWiLs)

394 391 Now to go back and watch the young lady shoot at a mile. Heck, I'm only 62.5% of the way to my 2020 goal of 1000 yds.
Posted by: RI Red at June 14, 2020 09:47 PM (81P5W)
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Wait until you have the pleasure of one kicking your ass on a rifle range!

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 09:48 PM (MVjcR)

395 Well, I've been called a boob.
But, I divorced her.

Posted by: Winston, dreg of society at June 14, 2020 09:49 PM (d9Irc)

396 Weasel,
Thanks for an outstanding gun thread. The material covered really helps me understand some of the more esoteric aspects of accuracy.

Beautiful night,, everyone.

Posted by: JTB at June 14, 2020 09:49 PM (7EjX1)

397 Posted by: JTB at June 14, 2020 09:49 PM (7EjX1)
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Thanks JTB. Happy to do it.

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 09:50 PM (MVjcR)

398 269 Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 14, 2020 09:00 PM (sy5kK)

Hi LCD. I'm going to suggest that to her; there is a range in Post Falls that lets you rent as many guns as you want in one caliber for $8. You have to pay for the ammo, but .22 ammo is cheap so that's fine.
Posted by: Jordan61 at June 14, 2020 09:04 PM (qrX0b)

excellent option.

Also, pass to her that video for beginners, and let her watch it on her own. There are many others.

It is all about gaining confidence, through education.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 14, 2020 09:51 PM (sy5kK)

399 Just a quick thanks for an informative and enjoyable gun thread.

Posted by: Pod Hamp at June 14, 2020 09:52 PM (RBFmA)

400 398 269 Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 14, 2020 09:00 PM (sy5kK)

Hi LCD. I'm going to suggest that to her; there is a range in Post Falls that lets you rent as many guns as you want in one caliber for $8. You have to pay for the ammo, but .22 ammo is cheap so that's fine.
Posted by: Jordan61 at June 14, 2020 09:04 PM (qrX0b)

excellent option.

Also, pass to her that video for beginners, and let her watch it on her own. There are many others.

It is all about gaining confidence, through education.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 14, 2020 09:51 PM (sy5kK)
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Great advice. Please let us know how it goes with mom!

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 09:52 PM (MVjcR)

401 Shortest AOS review, ever:

Weasel Gunthread.

I give it Five Weaseldogs.

Which it needs, as he was mysteriously missing in his signature post-script.

# Bring Back Our ~~Girls~~ Weaseldog!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at June 14, 2020 09:53 PM (QzJWU)

402 Weasel, you're the best - at this gun thread business.
Well, I'm off to Amazon (dammit!) to order some Hornady comparator measurement stuff.
Next week, Boss, amigos, amigettes and all of the W Family!

Posted by: RI Red at June 14, 2020 09:53 PM (81P5W)

403 Posted by: Pod Hamp at June 14, 2020 09:52 PM (RBFmA)
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You're welcome Pod Hamp. Happy to do it.

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 09:54 PM (MVjcR)

404 Thanks for the thread, weasel. I hope to meet you someday.

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 14, 2020 09:54 PM (U2p+3)

405 So about how many gazillion oiled patches does it take before the blue-green copper fouling goes bye-bye? The powder fouling looks to be cleaned up.

I might remove the barrel assembly again and try hot water, ballistol, to be sure, and try something stronger. Windex (ammonia) is said to be good for copper fouling?

Posted by: Common Tater at June 14, 2020 09:57 PM (Ixqnq)

406 Jordan61, if there is a National Forest or someplace you can shoot in the wild. Take your mother on a relaxing picnic.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 14, 2020 09:59 PM (q0Dei)

407 Posted by: Jim at June 14, 2020 09:53 PM (QzJWU)
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WD is in my lap, so I'll pass along the compliment. Thank you!

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 10:00 PM (MVjcR)

408 Posted by: Common Tater at June 14, 2020 09:57 PM (Ixqnq)
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Look for a product called Wipe-Out. You spray it in the barrel and leave it overnight. Patch out in the morning. Great stuff.

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 10:02 PM (MVjcR)

409 Posted by: RI Red at June 14, 2020 09:53 PM (81P5W)
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Anytime, pal.

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 10:03 PM (MVjcR)

410
404 Thanks for the thread, weasel. I hope to meet you someday.
Posted by: nurse ratched at June 14, 2020 09:54 PM (U2p+3)
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Likewise, nurse!

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 10:03 PM (MVjcR)

411 Remember the Alamo!

Posted by: Eromero at June 14, 2020 10:09 PM (XhWtx)

412 Late to the party as usual (unusual sleeping hours do that), but now that I see the section on optics...that is, glasses...I need to get some new shatter proof glasses. (I wear glasses anyway so when I go to the optician for an exam I make it a point to ask for shatter proof lenses for this reason.)

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 14, 2020 10:18 PM (ejsiI)

413 Weasel, awesome info on reloading. Bookmarking for later use, sir.

Posted by: Long Running Fool at June 14, 2020 10:21 PM (RnS3H)

414 24
21 Oh Hell Yes. Little girls like this are the future of this Country.
Posted by: Ben Had at June 14, 2020 07:12 PM (LS6j5)
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Yup.
Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 07:13 PM (MVjcR)

We can only hope. Ladies, and girls: a gun is a great equalizer. If you are, say, a 5'5'' female being attacked by a 6'3'' dude for whatever reason, a well-placed round fired by said female at said male can put a stop to that.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 14, 2020 10:21 PM (ejsiI)

415 150 Happy Birthday to the President of the United States of America.
Posted by: Ben Had at June 14, 2020 08:24 PM (LS6j5)

But my birthday is October 26!

Posted by: Hills at June 14, 2020 10:25 PM (ejsiI)

416 It's just too bad so many talented actors, musicians, and artists are lefties and jerks. I wish I knew why.

I'll give you my theory. Everyone has about the same number of neurons in their brain. If someone is really talented someplace, they are going to be deficient someplace else. Most PhDs are lefty for that reason, they become so intensely focused in their field that the child like simplicity of leftist arguments is all what is left of their brain power can handle. The Big Bang Theory draws its humor from the lack of social skills exhibited by ultra intelligent people - which is another common failing of talented people.

Posted by: An Observation at June 14, 2020 10:26 PM (Kua8E)

417 Posted by: Long Running Fool at June 14, 2020 10:21 PM (RnS3H)
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You're welcome! Glad you found it useful.

Posted by: Weasel at June 14, 2020 10:27 PM (MVjcR)

418 150 Happy Birthday to the President of the United States of America.
Posted by: Ben Had at June 14, 2020 08:24 PM (LS6j5)

Yes. All the best to PDT. We need this man.

God bless and protect him and his family.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Pushing Irish into the Missouri at June 14, 2020 10:37 PM (x8Wzq)

419 Hey, Weasel. I keep missing the gun thread, and I dropped this in some other thread this week that you had popped in and out of:

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y7tftcdn

"Two baby weasels pause for a photograph while scampering across a scenie road in the Scottish Highlands."

Posted by: m at June 14, 2020 11:41 PM (Ij+4T)

420 long time lurker and can no longer hold back.

What the hell is NoVaMoMe?

Posted by: LiberateEasternWA at June 15, 2020 03:28 AM (itWG/)

421 420 long time lurker and can no longer hold back.

What the hell is NoVaMoMe?
Posted by: LiberateEasternWA at June 15, 2020 03:28 AM (itWG/)

Northern Virginia Moron Meet-Up
See the lefthand sidebar on the Ace of Spades main page:

Moron Meet-Ups

NoVaMoMe 2020: Rescheduled for August 29, 5:00-10:00 pm, Fairfax, Virginia. Contact Bluebell & Weasel with questions.

Posted by: m at June 15, 2020 04:19 AM (Ij+4T)

422
g'mornin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 15, 2020 05:58 AM (ceIDk)

423 "The "occupation" is of a single building on the University of Chicago's campus -the headquarters of UChicago's campus police department -and it is quickly running out of resources after law enforcement officials, who are still in charge of their own offices, refused to allow the interlopers to use their bathrooms or have outside food delivered."

Idiots. They should have occupied the bathroom. Running water and ....facilities. Until Streets and San would turnt it off of course .

Posted by: runner at June 15, 2020 07:55 AM (1jqSv)

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