The Morning Rant: Minimalist Edition

Yes. We have a policing problem in this country. But contrary to the anarcho-fascists running wild in our streets (and the halls of academia, and lots of city halls...but I digress), it isn't a race problem. It is a government problem.

Our governments, in our names but without our explicit approval, have given law enforcement in this country far too much power over us. From confiscatory civil forfeiture laws to ridiculous speeding fines to $85 parking tickets to byzantine laws of every flavor; if the cops want to charge you with something that will cost you money and often your freedom, and sometimes your life, they can. Because that parking ticket can easily turn into hundreds of dollars, and then a failure-to-appear means a warrant, and a warrant may result in an arrest with guns drawn.

And with that ever-growing power has come ever-growing firepower, in the form of military hardware that should never be on American streets operated by civilian law enforcement. Heavy weapons, armored vehicles and the tactics with which to use them belong on the battlefield, not Main Street. As the police became ersatz soldiers, they began to see us as the enemy, not as their fellow Americans. They left their walking beats and climbed into patrol cars, which further insulated them from the concept that they were supposed to be policing their neighbors, and should treat them as they would wish to be treated.

Combine this with the heavy-handed behavior of our national police forces (the ATF and the FBI), and we have a perfect storm that has alienated some of law-enforcement's most ardent supporters...conservatives!

I wrote this recently to a friend:

I think that much of the frustration has to do with the natural tendency of most conservatives to follow the rules. I obey the law (speeding excepted), and am reflexively polite in all public interactions. So when I encounter the police, my expectation is that my default behavior will be mirrored, and it rarely is. I am a free man, and when some cop who is just thrilled with his own power of life and death over me...because I was driving in excess of the posted speed limit...struts around and tries to intimidate and fool and bully me, I bristle. It happens too often for it to be ascribed to "he was having a bad day." The cops who block traffic while getting a cup of coffee, or speed around like maniacs when there is no rush, or roust idiotic teenagers, and a thousand other examples of petty exercise of the state's coercive power; they are the tip of the spear of government, and they, like the rest of government, are out of control.

With growth of government comes growth of its policing power. It's as simple as that. And given the opportunity to use that power, how many of our government officials and politicians would decline? What is so maddening is that the coercive force of government is being applied more and more on those of us who pay for it, and less and less on those who, in a rational society, require that coercive force to be applied upon them!

And seemingly like clockwork, whenever there is a critical mass of events that pushes the majority to question the way law enforcement is structured and trained and used, along comes a lunatic response from the hard Left that pushes many of us firmly back into law enforcement's corner.

Imagine a measured and rational response to recent events...we would be having one of those "national conversations" about policing in America, but people like me would be on the side of those who think it is too much...of everything. But now and for the foreseeable future I will land on the side of the cops.

It's as if they are channeling the Palestinians, about whom Abba Eban famously said, "They never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity."

Posted by: CBD at 11:00 AM

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Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at June 11, 2020 11:00 AM (LvTSG)

2 Hello monkey thread!

Posted by: Laughing in Texas at June 11, 2020 11:00 AM (tibq2)

3 I see Tattoo parlors are open again..................

Posted by: saf at June 11, 2020 11:01 AM (5IHGB)

4 Apparently, Seattle is the new Antelope OR (less the Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh).
San Fran and Los Angles now has a place to send their homeless.

Posted by: SMOD at June 11, 2020 11:01 AM (3aI0K)

5 Top 10?

Posted by: doof2112 at June 11, 2020 11:01 AM (mZUr4)

6 Can we have GP tomorrow? I like him better than angry monkey.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 11, 2020 11:01 AM (JUOKG)

7 "OMG Trump is holding his next rally on Juneteenth in Tulsa he's deliberately provoking us with Racist Dog Whistles AAAAARGH!"

Posted by: Pete in Texas at June 11, 2020 11:02 AM (2RBkF)

8 hiya

Posted by: JT at June 11, 2020 11:02 AM (arJlL)

9 Monkey showers.............................once a year.

Posted by: saf at June 11, 2020 11:02 AM (5IHGB)

10 It's as if they are channeling the Palestinians, about whom Abba Eban
famously said, "They never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity."Palestinians throw rocks at Israelis, and they get bullets back at them.So if that is their model, is the game afoot yet?

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 11, 2020 11:03 AM (N39Ws)

11 Dang! Started reading the content.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 11, 2020 11:03 AM (axyOa)

12 Yeah, it bugs me that I agree with quite a few of the provisions in the Communist's Police Reform Bill.

Posted by: Grump928© at June 11, 2020 11:03 AM (a94gW)

13 Trump really ought to push for a general sun-setting of all federal laws in his next term.This will keep the Congress busy restoring back the ones they think are worth the trouble.

Posted by: SMOD at June 11, 2020 11:03 AM (3aI0K)

14 And given the opportunity to use that power, how many of our government officials and politicians would decline?

I believe I can count them on the thumbs of one hand.

Posted by: Laughing in Texas at June 11, 2020 11:03 AM (tibq2)

15 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at June 11, 2020 11:03 AM (Zz0t1)

16 LONDON (Reuters) - A local authority in southern England said it would
remove a statue of Robert Baden-Powell, founder of the worldwide
scouting movement, the latest memorial to be taken down in the wake of
anti-racism protests sparked by the death of George Floyd.

"Whilst famed for the creation of the Scouts, we also recognise that
there are some aspects of Robert Baden-Powell's life that are
considered less worthy of commemoration," council leader Vikki Slade
said.

Remember comrades, it's just those icky Confederates. It's not at all an attack on Western Civilization.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 11, 2020 11:04 AM (xzK8i)

17 Upon reflection, I find myself agreeing with Marcus T's thoughts this morning. It's time for Trump to step up and address this movement forcefully, do what Reagan would have done. A national Address saying clearly, it is self destructive and Anti-American to say "Defund teh police". Some reforms may be needed, but this is an attack on our society which has nothing to do with race.

I understand waiting til now, but this is the moment that a true Leader needs to step up and take charge.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 11, 2020 11:04 AM (Kpl3J)

18 Progressivism 101: I have no trouble using Police Force to make you do what I want.

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 11, 2020 11:04 AM (JFO2v)

19 Victoria Principle and Bruce Willis.

Do I win?

Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at June 11, 2020 11:05 AM (Zz0t1)

20 Tyranny is less marked out by it's severity than by it's capriciousness. When this is one law for some and a different law for others, you are under tyranny.

We are under tyranny.

Posted by: Grump928© reminds you at June 11, 2020 11:05 AM (a94gW)

21 Can we have GP tomorrow? I like him better than angry monkey.

There is an order to these things...just sayin'.

Posted by: Laughing in Texas at June 11, 2020 11:05 AM (tibq2)

22 We no longer have conversations in America.

We have leftwing dictums.

Posted by: Not Voting Our Way Out Of This at June 11, 2020 11:05 AM (55lwO)

23 First rate podcast at PowerLine:

https://tinyurl.com/yd7ly3zy

It's Tikvah, so I suppose it's also at Ricochet and the Tikvah site, as well. Many important points made. Many.

Posted by: Eeyore at June 11, 2020 11:05 AM (ZbwAu)

24 Well said CBD.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 11, 2020 11:06 AM (axyOa)

25 The latest statue to be vandalized in Philly was of an abolitionist who built schools for African-American children.

Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at June 11, 2020 11:06 AM (LZ7Gl)

26 What is Juneteenth? Is it an actual thing

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at June 11, 2020 11:06 AM (Uu+Jp)

27 Morning.

"And seemingly like clockwork, whenever there is a critical mass of events that pushes the majority to question the way law enforcement is structured and trained and used, along comes a lunatic response from the hard Left that pushes many of us firmly back into law enforcement's corner.

Imagine a measured and rational response to recent events...we would be having one of those "national conversations" about policing in America, but people like me would be on the side of those who think it is too much...of everything. But now and for the foreseeable future I will land on the side of the cops."

From your finger tips to God's RSS feed!

Posted by: Robert at June 11, 2020 11:06 AM (hI92n)

28 25 The latest statue to be vandalized in Philly was of an abolitionist who built schools for African-American children.
Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at June 11, 2020 11:06 AM (LZ7Gl)

They are replacing it was a statue of Kermit Gosnell.

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 11, 2020 11:07 AM (JFO2v)

29 Point of argument, sir.

Isn't it possible the police had to increase their firepower and tactics to keep pace with an ever growing violent populace?

For a policeman in the 60's, maybe a revolver and a billy club was enough. Then Weather Underground started blowing stuff up. Then the 80s. Crack epidemic and hang bangers with powerful weapons. The robbery where the bank robbers had semi-auto weapons and body armor that made service handguns impotent.

The threat has grown, so they had to respond.

Is there jackbooted thuggery going on in the PD? Absolutely. But I don't think the PD had much choice in militarizing their tactics and weapons.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 11, 2020 11:07 AM (biITN)

30 The latest statue to be vandalized in Philly was of an abolitionist who built schools for African-American children.
Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at June 11, 2020 11:06 AM (LZ7Gl)

Doubt they know or care what an abolitionist is.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at June 11, 2020 11:07 AM (8fzG7)

31 Remember comrades, it's just those icky Confederates. It's not at all an attack on Western Civilization.
Posted by: TheQuietMan

--

It is a tenet of communism that all history must be purged.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 11, 2020 11:07 AM (kA3Cp)

32 26 What is Juneteenth? Is it an actual thing
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at June 11, 2020 11:06 AM (Uu+Jp)

The day the news of the Emancipation Proclamation got to Texas.

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 11, 2020 11:07 AM (JFO2v)

33 They vandalized a memorial for the 54th Mass. Voluntary Infantry Regiment.

That was the one that was all black depicted in the movie "Glory".

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 11, 2020 11:07 AM (1ISKN)

34 Asset forfeiture is one of those things that seems like a good idea, until one stops to think that it does turn "innocent until proven guilty" on its head.

Then, of course, Asset Forfeiture has been abused far beyond the "innocent mistake" excuse.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at June 11, 2020 11:08 AM (5pybm)

35 @jasonrantz 28m

Gov Jay Inslee baffles literally everyone with #CapitolHillAutonomousZone claim: he says he has no idea what this is. It's the biggest story in the state -- and has trended nationally -- for over 24 hours.

Video: https://tinyurl.com/ycsjqqrm

(The hearing impaired guy is almost as funny as Inslee is clueless.)

Posted by: Tami at June 11, 2020 11:08 AM (cF8AT)

36 Dear Seattle, thank you for giving the CHAZ to the terrorists. Every blue city should do this, and everyone should sit by while they destroy the town.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at June 11, 2020 11:08 AM (bkUtD)

37 GEN Milley is a good man and highly respected. He's not some average GO.
He's a Q course graduate who has chewed a lot of dirt and is highly
accomplished. The context in the high his remarks were made is precisely
the right frame. You never mix domestic politics and the military.
posted by HescoGypsy

Unfortunately, after speaking out against it, within minutes he turned around and mixed domestic politics with the military.

This is the same as the bullshit No Praying in Schools because ZOMG GOD MIXING CHURCH AND STATE.

The ratchet only ever turns one way.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - Black Lives Matter is a terrorist organization at June 11, 2020 11:08 AM (WvQcX)

38 The Red Guard are everywhere.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 11, 2020 11:08 AM (u82oZ)

39 The latest statue to be vandalized in Philly was of an abolitionist who built schools for African-American children.
Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at June 11, 2020 11:06 AM (LZ7Gl)

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Its like they dont their own History.

Defacing the memorial to the 54th Massachusetts was a real headscratcher.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 11, 2020 11:09 AM (8XRCm)

40 25 The latest statue to be vandalized in Philly was of an abolitionist who built schools for African-American children.

Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at June 11, 2020 11:06 AM (LZ7Gl)

Yep. Rocket scientist these people are...

@stillgray

Rioters in Philly deface a statue of Matthias Baldwin, an early abolitionist who fought against slavery 30 years before it ended.

https://tinyurl.com/yav98gca

Posted by: Tami at June 11, 2020 11:09 AM (cF8AT)

41 I like the police to beat my enemies. I don't like them to beat me.

Posted by: Grump928© at June 11, 2020 11:09 AM (a94gW)

42 26. Juneteenth has been around a while. It has only recently become associated with radical black separatism.

It is a bit of a shame, as Juneteenth is a fine thing to celebrate, but having it coopted is really unfortunate.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at June 11, 2020 11:09 AM (JRaU+)

43 Isn't it possible the police had to increase their firepower and tactics to keep pace with an ever growing violent populace?

Posted by: AlaBAMA

--

From my research, the issue is that police forces have been reduced in size as budgetary demands of welfare have been increased. Fewer police using greater force and tactics.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 11, 2020 11:10 AM (kA3Cp)

44 Doubt they know or care what an abolitionist is.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at June 11, 2020 11:07 AM (8fzG7)
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We are against all abolitionists, because abortion is a right and we do not believe in the abolition of abortion rights.

---functionally illiterate NPC's everywhere.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at June 11, 2020 11:10 AM (5pybm)

45 Another factor to consider- police in the UK are largely unarmed and aggressively woke. They generally allow minority populations to do whatever they want, including Muslim rape gangs, while white people can get arrested for tweeting.

They are still having riots now. The mob will never be satisfied.

Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at June 11, 2020 11:10 AM (LZ7Gl)

46 Can we talk about the folks who perform interviews at border crossings?

Talk about asshoes...

They have 40 f'n years of data on me at the bridge I use to get into Canada and back. Additionally, I'm in the Nexus system.

But every time I enter the booth it's the same hands on gun, bark commands with intent to intimidate. And that's the Nexus lane. G-d forbid you use the regular lane, then they want to know why you're not using Nexus, and they pull you over for a cavity search.

And it's getting just as bad going into Canada as well.

My blood pressure is up just thinking about it, grrrrrrr.

Posted by: browndog at June 11, 2020 11:10 AM (BgMrQ)

47 Is there jackbooted thuggery going on in the PD? Absolutely. But I don't think the PD had much choice in militarizing their tactics and weapons.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 11, 2020 11:07 AM (biITN)

The militarization coincided largely with the "War on Drugs." SWAT teams being used to serve ordinary warrants spiked bigly, as did all this no-knock doorkicking shit for people hydroponically growing tomatoes in their basements.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 11, 2020 11:10 AM (gRg2Y)

48 All of the infractions that the police write citations for are introduced and passed by elected officials. Would love to have a law that says for every one new law passed two (or more) should be repealed. How is it that we pay for streets, sidewalks, curbs, and various transportation infrastructure with our taxes, yet then we have to pay for it again with fees and fines? Intersection and speed cameras are the most objectionable. If you reduce the number of ridiculous laws and ordinances you reduce the number of interactions with otherwise law abiding citizens. That can only lead to good outcomes and higher citizen and police satisfaction.

Posted by: Bill at June 11, 2020 11:10 AM (GY5js)

49
The Brits need to remove ALL STATUES before their Island tips over......................

Posted by: saf at June 11, 2020 11:11 AM (5IHGB)

50 But I don't think the PD had much choice in militarizing their tactics and weapons.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 11, 2020 11:07 AM (biITN)

I think the threat of criminals with heavy weapons was vastly overblown. Most bad guys carry pistols. I am all for cops carrying modern weapons. Nothing wrong with 15 rounds in a mag.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 11, 2020 11:11 AM (dLLD6)

51 We can't have a mine shaft gap.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 11, 2020 11:11 AM (aKsyK)

52 The Juneteenth celebrations have been a Thing in Texas since June 19, 1865, when the Emancipation Proclamation was announced to freed Texas Slaves by Gen'l Gordon Granger, who was head of the Occupying Federal Force that had taken over control of Texas. (They had not been told of it before that, even though the proclamation had already been out for years) Texas blacks have called it Black Independence Day ever since. 30 years ago, it was still only a Texas thing, but it's been spreading.

and yes, I have heard it called Black July 4th for at least 40 years now - I know that pisses a lot of people off, but a lot of black folks have always called it that.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 11, 2020 11:11 AM (Kpl3J)

53 Can we talk about the folks who perform interviews at border crossings?

I think it comes from the top. TSA in Chicago are obnoxious pricks. TSA in Dallas is no big deal - and they have their shit together. My suspicion is partly local culture and partly immediate leadership.

Posted by: Ramblin' Man at June 11, 2020 11:12 AM (RATxy)

54 Law Enforcement in the States has always had a percentage of corruption , abuse and malfeasance. It's the nature of the beast. It's my opinion though that it's at its lowest level in history. What was acceptable years ago is no longer acceptable. What abuse would never be known years ago is now instantly known worldwide. The oversite of LE is greater than ever before and the limitations put on LE is also as restrictive as ever.

The enemies of the USA has worked hard to make you believe otherwise and they have been successful.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at June 11, 2020 11:12 AM (2DOZq)

55 >>>Its like they dont their own History.

Defacing the memorial to the 54th Massachusetts was a real headscratcher.

But yes, keep removing statues so you're even more ignorant about history, you Antifa thugs.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at June 11, 2020 11:13 AM (bkUtD)

56 I got in the Top 10 twice today! Yay me

Now having read the content, I'll try to actually contribute.

CDB, I think you are spot on -- what we are seeing in terms of police problems are just the symptoms of the greater root cause of the problem. Which, as you said, is government. And as much as the ELECTED folks are a problem, it's the NON-ELECTED bureaucrat, deep state, establishment beast that is arguably worse. That aspect of govt gotten way too powerful.

President DJT has begun to shine a light in some very nasty parts of the establishment. Imagine how much worse things could be without him. Unfortunately, it is like bailing a sinking ship with a Dixie cup.

I'm trying to stay positive. This place sure helps!

Posted by: doof2112 at June 11, 2020 11:13 AM (mZUr4)

57 "(speeding accepted)"

excepted?

Posted by: Chris M at June 11, 2020 11:13 AM (eAZVt)

58 "Don't you want to abolish state power?" Yes, we do, but not right now. We cannot do it yet. Why? Because imperialism still exists, because domestic reaction still exists, because classes still exist in our country. Our present task is to strengthen the people's state apparatus - mainly the people's army, the people's police and the people's courts - in order to consolidate national defense and protect the people's interests

Posted by: Mao at June 11, 2020 11:13 AM (MtmVO)

59 Asset forfeiture is one of those things that seems like a good idea, until one stops to think that it does turn "innocent until proven guilty" on its head.

Then, of course, Asset Forfeiture has been abused far beyond the "innocent mistake" excuse.
Posted by: blake

AF could always be applied AFTER a finding of guilt.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 11, 2020 11:13 AM (eii2u)

60
I have a prog "friend" that posted her support for permantly banning that racist movie Gone With THe Wind.

On.. and on... and on... about how woke she was.

I took the opportunity to ask her why she was so gungho to ban the work of the first Black Actress to EVER win an Oscar in Hollywood.... because that what she was doing.

Asking her then "why she hates black people" might have a been a bit over the top, but fuck her... she had it coming.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 11, 2020 11:13 AM (8XRCm)

61 My feeling is that if the various mayors and/or governors don't stop these thugs soon, everyday citizens are going to start doing it, and doing it violently. One possible exception is Seattle, where apparently nobody cares.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 11, 2020 11:13 AM (kA3Cp)

62 Since Taste of Chicago and Lollapolooza were cancelled, what are the odds of a Chicago CHAZ breaking out and taking over Grant Park or the lakefront.
Good I hope, that will be quality entertainment right there!

Posted by: IP at June 11, 2020 11:14 AM (w9UC1)

63 "(speeding accepted)"

excepted?
Posted by: Chris M at June 11, 2020 11:13 AM (eAZVt)

----

shush.... hes on a roll.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 11, 2020 11:14 AM (8XRCm)

64 I know a few policemen and attended the local citizens' academy. All in all, cops are average people who are often put into situations that are awkward, uncomfortable, and occasionally violent. I was truly surprised how often cops get into physical altercations. While I agree with the premise of the rant in general, cops deal every day with people at their worst in situations that can often go sideways. As with the school system, the people who have to deal with humans who were not socialized by their parents or society are set up for frustration and failure.

Posted by: iandeal at June 11, 2020 11:14 AM (vgGyZ)

65 The police , left to themselves, would not be giving out 85 dollar parking tickets , or arresting someone for selling loose cigarettes .They are told to do these things so the polls get to money back for graft/control.
Prosecuting crimes that need to be punished (the gang bangers in Chi town) does not bring in money. The courts and jail cost money. Therefore they are not a priority.

Posted by: douglas masucci at June 11, 2020 11:14 AM (gR+Uc)

66 29 Point of argument, sir.

Isn't it possible the police had to increase their firepower and tactics to keep pace with an ever growing violent populace?

For a policeman in the 60's, maybe a revolver and a billy club was enough. Then Weather Underground started blowing stuff up. Then the 80s. Crack epidemic and hang bangers with powerful weapons. The robbery where the bank robbers had semi-auto weapons and body armor that made service handguns impotent.

The threat has grown, so they had to respond.

Is there jackbooted thuggery going on in the PD? Absolutely. But I don't think the PD had much choice in militarizing their tactics and weapons.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 11, 2020 11:07 AM (biITN)

Generally speaking violent crime has/had been on a decline for the last three decades.

Posted by: Someguy at June 11, 2020 11:14 AM (zR1US)

67 excepted?

Posted by: Chris M at June 11, 2020 11:13 AM (eAZVt)

Shit.

I need an editor.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 11, 2020 11:14 AM (dLLD6)

68 40 25 The latest statue to be vandalized in Philly was of an abolitionist who built schools for African-American children.

Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at June 11, 2020 11:06 AM (LZ7Gl)

Yep. Rocket scientist these people are...

@stillgray

Rioters in Philly deface a statue of Matthias Baldwin, an early abolitionist who fought against slavery 30 years before it ended.

https://tinyurl.com/yav98gca
Posted by: Tami at June 11, 2020 11:09 AM (cF8AT)

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I think this represents a good reason why Trump has said very little up to this point.

As long as he knew that the protests were organized by the activist left, he knew that the normal people would fade away leaving only the activist left out on the streets to display their idiocy and just all around awfulness.

Then, he can come out and pinpoint his target, saying that it's these people who are damaging the country.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at June 11, 2020 11:15 AM (LvTSG)

69 But I don't think the PD had much choice in militarizing their tactics and weapons.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 11, 2020 11:07 AM (biITN)

Of course they had a choice. We all have a choice. We may not like the choices, but we all have them.

Every PD in the country has a union. If the police didn't want to use these weapons, or issue no-knock raids, they could have refused to do so through their union - up to and including going on strike. We just saw at least one union refuse to enforce the idiot Kung Flu edicts.

Everyone has a choice. And not choosing, to steal from Rush, is still a choice.

Posted by: Ramblin' Man at June 11, 2020 11:15 AM (RATxy)

70 The militarization coincided largely with the "War on Drugs." SWAT teams being used to serve ordinary warrants spiked bigly, as did all this no-knock doorkicking shit for people hydroponically growing tomatoes in their basements.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 11, 2020 11:10 AM (gRg2Y

I'll concede that point and say that's where the most change could be made in police tactics. But I understand their point of view.

You never know when a supposedly peaceful dude who has a warrant out will turn absolutely violent. The police know this and in turn instituted a 'complete control no matter what' approach to try and mitigate those situations.

There have been countless incidents where police have tried to serve warrants against supposedly non-violent offenders and have been killed doing so.

One man I knew growing up - normal kid - got into a shootout with the police over what would have been a speeding ticket. Went on for hours and several innocent people were shot and killed.

You never know who's cuckoo and who's having a really bad day.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 11, 2020 11:15 AM (biITN)

71 and just FYI, on this Juneteenth there is going to be a huge parade up on MLK Jr. Blvd, even in my rather conservative East Texas town, just like there is every other year. Usually lots of good BBQ around that day if you know someone who's celebrating it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 11, 2020 11:15 AM (Kpl3J)

72
The police , left to themselves, would not be giving out 85 dollar
parking tickets , or arresting someone for selling loose cigarettes
.They are told to do these things so the polls get to money back for
graft/control.

Prosecuting crimes that need to be punished (the gang bangers in Chi
town) does not bring in money. The courts and jail cost money.
Therefore they are not a priority.

+1000

Posted by: deplorable unperson - Black Lives Matter is a terrorist organization at June 11, 2020 11:15 AM (WvQcX)

73

I saw Erzatz Soldiers open for Gary Numan and Tubeway Army at Earl's Court in '79.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 11, 2020 11:15 AM (s2VJv)

74 AF could always be applied AFTER a finding of guilt.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 11, 2020 11:13 AM (eii2u)
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Which is as it should be.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at June 11, 2020 11:15 AM (5pybm)

75 Criminals where more heavily armed in the 20's and 30's when Thompsons and BARs were standards for criminals.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 11, 2020 11:17 AM (1ISKN)

76 >>With growth of government comes growth of its policing power. It's as simple as that

THIS

Such a key point that is not being made: The police problem is in large part due to Democrat/Lefty love of government power. And NOW they have repositioned themselves as the voice of the victims of police overreach.

Step 1: Micromanage citizens' lives through legislating how they must live their lives.

Step 2: Court the police labor unions, taking their donations in exchange for awesome contracts that protect them, and in some cases, results in them being paid handsomely.

Step 3: Gleefully use police force to selectively enforce these ridiculous laws against those demographics who are not your voters, or just not a priority right now (see: Clive Bundy *and* Eric Garner)

Step 4: When some of these well-protected Democrat-enforcer cops overstep on a favored demographic (for political purposes - you need their votes), suddenly turn your back on them and claim you are the voice of their victims!!

Conservatives are mostly on the outside of this entire cycle.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 11, 2020 11:17 AM (bDqIh)

77 65. I think that is generally correct, but to say the revenue is only for courts and jails is incorrect. Police pay and benefits etc are also not free.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at June 11, 2020 11:17 AM (JRaU+)

78 I sincerely hope Trump does not give in to this "police reform" rush taking over the country right now.

The federal government has NO PLACE in how local police departments are run.

If limited immunity is a federal thing, then, OK.. let's reduce that or get rid of it.

But, just like schools, police policies are local and must remain so.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 11, 2020 11:17 AM (CjFDo)

79 Hey, I know where we can get nails for those boards -- there's a Nail Salon at the end of the street!

Posted by: CHAZ Thought Leader at June 11, 2020 11:17 AM (PiwSw)

80 60
I have a prog "friend" that posted her support for permantly banning that racist movie Gone With THe Wind.

On.. and on... and on... about how woke she was.

I took the opportunity to ask her why she was so gungho to ban the work of the first Black Actress to EVER win an Oscar in Hollywood.... because that what she was doing.

Asking her then "why she hates black people" might have a been a bit over the top, but fuck her... she had it coming.
Posted by: fixerupper at June 11, 2020 11:13 AM (8XRCm)

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My movie news sites have gotten kind of awful recently. The most recent was, "HBO Max is taking off Gone with the Wind, which brought up calls from conservative critics that it was censorship despite Gone with the Wind being available on other services."

And then I see your story, and...yeah...

Like it's gonna stop with HBO Max.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at June 11, 2020 11:17 AM (LvTSG)

81 Every PD in the country has a union.

Not true. Out here in Free America we still have Right To Work states.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - Black Lives Matter is a terrorist organization at June 11, 2020 11:17 AM (WvQcX)

82 ...cops deal every day with people at their worst in
situations that can often go sideways. As with the school system, the
people who have to deal with humans who were not socialized by their
parents or society are set up for frustration and failure.

Posted by: iandeal at June 11, 2020 11:14 AM (vgGyZ)

That's fair. But I think most people would agree that we aren't doing a very good job of policing in this country.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 11, 2020 11:17 AM (dLLD6)

83 Generally speaking violent crime has/had been on a decline for the last three decades.
Posted by: Someguy at June 11, 2020 11:14 AM (zR1US)

That wasn't always the case. For every decline there was an incline before it.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 11, 2020 11:17 AM (biITN)

84 Victoria Principle and Bruce Willis.

Do I win?

Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at June 11, 2020 11:05 AM (Zz0t1)

Still the stuff of dreams, but good lord her early "work"...

time for the bunk.

Posted by: SturmToddler at June 11, 2020 11:17 AM (8D42x)

85

Suddenly I'm reminded of the movie "Cop-Land."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 11, 2020 11:18 AM (s2VJv)

86 I was born in New York but now live in Texas. So, on the one hand, I really loathe Confederate monuments. On the other hand, I always knew that Commies wouldn't stop there.

Also, as a lover of traditional realist art, I think most CUSA monuments are crudely executed and ugly as sin, but that equestrian statue of Robert E. Lee that they removed in Dallas recently was GORGEOUS! Holy moly, such beautiful craftsmanship.

Posted by: Pete in Texas at June 11, 2020 11:18 AM (2RBkF)

87 Is there jackbooted thuggery going on in the PD?
Absolutely. But I don't think the PD had much choice in militarizing
their tactics and weapons.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 11, 2020 11:07 AM (biITN)

Completely disagree. The military unloaded a lot of their hardware to local police departments in the past 10-15 years. MRAPS, troop movers, etc, for rural towns with small populations. None of this equipment was used in the recent actual riots though. In fact the only time its ever "used" is when small men need to feel bigger by taking pictures with it to project their power over us little people.
And before someone tells me that not all police are bad every cop knows of another on their force who has no business carrying a badge and a gun yet they say nothing. They look the other way when they personally KNOW other cops who are corrupt, then have the gaul to complain when witnesses to crimes in the community are afraid to speak up.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at June 11, 2020 11:18 AM (CQ3Qb)

88 86 I was born in New York but now live in Texas. So, on the one hand, I really loathe Confederate monuments. On the other hand, I always knew that Commies wouldn't stop there.

Also, as a lover of traditional realist art, I think most CUSA monuments are crudely executed and ugly as sin, but that equestrian statue of Robert E. Lee that they removed in Dallas recently was GORGEOUS! Holy moly, such beautiful craftsmanship.
Posted by: Pete in Texas at June 11, 2020 11:18 AM (2RBkF)

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The north didn't care about them until the South starting voting Republican.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at June 11, 2020 11:18 AM (LvTSG)

89 I think that is generally correct, but to say the revenue is only for
courts and jails is incorrect. Police pay and benefits etc are also not
free

Neither are those fat city council pensions and swollen county bureaucracies.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - Black Lives Matter is a terrorist organization at June 11, 2020 11:19 AM (WvQcX)

90 ...cops deal every day with people at their worst in
situations that can often go sideways.

Robbery/Homicide: Our day begins when your day ends...

Posted by: rickb223 at June 11, 2020 11:19 AM (eii2u)

91 Disagree with you somewhat, CBD. This movement is mostly about the mob seeking anarchy and the power to impose it.

Posted by: mercenary13 at June 11, 2020 11:19 AM (/iKPb)

92 "The cops who block traffic while getting a cup of coffee, or speed around like maniacs when there is no rush"
The worst thing is some of this has been going on for ages. I remember growing up in the Boston suburbs in the 80s and watching cops come up to a red light, hit their sirens, run the light, and immediately turn the siren off. They did it in my town a lot, just so they didn't have to wait at red lights.

Posted by: Rick C at June 11, 2020 11:19 AM (Iwkd4)

93 Asking her then "why she hates black people" might have a been a bit over the top, but fuck her... she had it coming.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 11, 2020 11:13 AM (8XRCm)

Why not? I have no doubt she would also side with the "why are you removing the BLM graffiti? Do you hate black people?" argument. That's literally what these people need, their vision is so myopic.

Posted by: clutch cargo at June 11, 2020 11:20 AM (8B6Ng)

94 Not true. Out here in Free America we still have Right To Work states.

I live in one. Every PD around me still has a union. And many have similar collective organizations by different names not organized as unions per se - Sergeants Associations, FOP, and such.

Yes, police have a collective voice by which they can resist using weapons or tactics they consider unfit in a free society. Yet - they never do. Why ? I can only assume they enjoy the power.

Posted by: Ramblin' Man at June 11, 2020 11:20 AM (RATxy)

95 and just FYI, on this Juneteenth there is going to
be a huge parade up on MLK Jr. Blvd, even in my rather conservative East
Texas town, just like there is every other year. Usually lots of good
BBQ around that day if you know someone who's celebrating it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 11, 2020 11:15 AM

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There ain't gonna be any brisket that day, not at $5.00+ a pound. I was gonna make a couple up for 4th of July, but not now.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 11, 2020 11:20 AM (JUOKG)

96 83 Generally speaking violent crime has/had been on a decline for the last three decades.
Posted by: Someguy at June 11, 2020 11:14 AM (zR1US)

That wasn't always the case. For every decline there was an incline before it.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 11, 2020 11:17 AM (biITN)

The militarization doesn't really align time wise with the violent crime rate is all.

Posted by: Someguy at June 11, 2020 11:21 AM (zR1US)

97 Our slogan in training troops is "Officers teach soldiers, soldiers teach officers and soldiers teach each other". The fighters have a lot of practical combat experience. The officers should learn from the fighters, and when they have made other people's experience their own, they will become more capable.

Posted by: Mao at June 11, 2020 11:21 AM (MtmVO)

98 Is there jackbooted thuggery going on in the PD? Absolutely. But I don't think the PD had much choice in militarizing their tactics and weapons.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 11, 2020 11:07 AM (biITN)
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Meal Team Six showing up with an MRAP where a few people in a parking lot were protesting seems like overkill.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at June 11, 2020 11:21 AM (5pybm)

99 I heard that Blackmail Matters is now demanding that M and M remove the green ones from every bag sold.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 11, 2020 11:21 AM (kA3Cp)

100 Like it's gonna stop with HBO Max.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at June 11, 2020 11:17 AM (LvTSG)

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COPS canceled.

Live PD canceled.

Gone WIth the Wind ... canceled.

Legos policeman character... canceled.

Paw Patrol.... soon to be cancelled.

Bookburners is what they are. But they are WAY WORSE than any Bible thumping do gooder sitting on the PTA board wanting to burn books.

That Bible thumper isnt gonna beat your ass for carrying Tom Sawyer under your arm.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 11, 2020 11:22 AM (8XRCm)

101 Then, he can come out and pinpoint his target, saying that it's these people who are damaging the country.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at June 11, 2020 11:15 AM (LvTSG)

I can buy that. My concerns now is that I think I have a decent sense of timing of the mood in general, which comes from reading a lot of sources. The Antifa movement is fading, but still powerful, as is BLM. Congress is worse than useless, with both sides doing nothing but mouthing idiocies. Every religious and corporate institution is staffed by people hunkering down behind their desks and begging for mercy from who, they don't even know.

Suddenly, there is a huge Vacuum at the top. Trump has the opportunity to seize the moment, but he has to act. The nature of Vacuum's is that they never are present very long, someone always steps up to fill it. The times are ripe.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 11, 2020 11:22 AM (Kpl3J)

102 What I hate about what you're saying, CBD, is that it will be used against us.

Posted by: m at June 11, 2020 11:22 AM (Ij+4T)

103 >>>The police , left to themselves, would not be giving out 85 dollar
parking tickets , or arresting someone for selling loose cigarettes
.They are told to do these things so the polls get to money back for
graft/control.

Depends upon the department. Most of us in my division are entirely too busy with shootings, robberies, and aggravated assaults to worry tickets. We know it's a money grab, and serious officers and detectives ignore that shit, because our homicide rate is up 27% this year.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at June 11, 2020 11:22 AM (bkUtD)

104 I'm here.
My late husband, who at times could be an arrogant asshole, was on his way to an emergency dentist appointment, when he got hung up in a line of traffic that was waiting to enter an event at a college. The traffic was being directed by a police officer who had a vest on that made it seem like he was just a security guard directing people into the venue. My husband proceeded to go around the line to continue on his way even though the cop tried to stop him.I got a call at home from the police telling me that my car was illegally parked and was about to be towed. I knew my husband was already at the dentist so told them they had the wrong owner but inadvertantly told them that it was my husband who was driving the vehicle.Two days later, a cop comes to my front door, and tells me they are pulling my husband's license because he is a danger on the road. $9000 in legal fees and 3 months later, he finally gets his license back. The worst part was having to sit in the courtroom and appear contrite about everything.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 11, 2020 11:22 AM (QzF6i)

105 @TrumpJew

This scene from Family Guy perfectly sums up the media in 30 seconds:

https://tinyurl.com/y8f8fhlc

Posted by: Tami at June 11, 2020 11:22 AM (cF8AT)

106 I live in one. Every PD around me still has a union.

If there's no collective bargaining it's not a Union. It's a club.

Sometimes they have group rates on legal insurance. And stickers.

Lot of stickers.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - Black Lives Matter is a terrorist organization at June 11, 2020 11:22 AM (WvQcX)

107 "shush.... hes on a roll."

Sorry, it's just one of those things that jumps out at me, and I can't help myself.

Posted by: Chris M at June 11, 2020 11:22 AM (eAZVt)

108 100
Bookburners is what they are. But they are WAY WORSE than any Bible thumping do gooder sitting on the PTA board wanting to burn books.

That Bible thumper isnt gonna beat your ass for carrying Tom Sawyer under your arm.
Posted by: fixerupper at June 11, 2020 11:22 AM (8XRCm)

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I remember the scene from Field of Dreams where Costner's hippie wife stood up to the PTA in defense of whatever book was under discussion.

She'd be the bad guy in the remake, by the way.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at June 11, 2020 11:22 AM (LvTSG)

109 This movement is mostly about the mob seeking anarchy and the power to impose it.

Posted by: mercenary13 at June 11, 2020 11:19 AM (/iKPb)

I think that there are some well-meaning protestors, and even more naifs who are just following the progressive cant. But I agree...the issue has been totally subsumed in the mob's desire to rampage.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 11, 2020 11:23 AM (dLLD6)

110 I see that a RINO led Senate panel has voted to rename bases named after Confederate generals.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 11, 2020 11:23 AM (+y/Ru)

111 There ain't gonna be any brisket that day, not at $5.00+ a pound. I was gonna make a couple up for 4th of July, but not now.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 11, 2020 11:20 AM

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I just looked at the Franklin BBQ website, they are selling brisket for $35.00 a pound!

Best BBQ place in Texas, they have a line out the door every day they open up, but $35 a pound for brisket? That's insane.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 11, 2020 11:23 AM (JUOKG)

112 Bad policing or no policing? Take your pick.

Posted by: creeper at June 11, 2020 11:23 AM (XxJt1)

113 103. Thats quite a spike! Stay safe Earp.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at June 11, 2020 11:23 AM (JRaU+)

114 109 This movement is mostly about the mob seeking anarchy and the power to impose it.

Posted by: mercenary13 at June 11, 2020 11:19 AM (/iKPb)

I think that there are some well-meaning protestors, and even more naifs who are just following the progressive cant. But I agree...the issue has been totally subsumed in the mob's desire to rampage.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 11, 2020 11:23 AM (dLLD6)

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Are you saying that there are very fine people on both sides?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at June 11, 2020 11:24 AM (LvTSG)

115 The militarization doesn't really align time wise with the violent crime rate is all.
Posted by: Someguy at June 11, 2020 11:21 AM (zR1US

I disagree. If anything, it lagged for a while through the 80s.

If you're telling me that cops should be limited to certain weaponry then lets determine what that weaponry needs to be. Because I don't want to send a Cop with a family at home into situations where he's completely outgunned and hope the sympathy and compassion of the criminals gets him or her home at night.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 11, 2020 11:24 AM (biITN)

116 112 Bad policing or no policing? Take your pick.
Posted by: creeper at June 11, 2020 11:23 AM (XxJt1)

Can I pick good policing with the occasional bad apple?

Posted by: m at June 11, 2020 11:25 AM (Ij+4T)

117 What exactly is the policing problem?

I have not had a problem with a cop ever.

We have a crime problem.

FYNQ

Posted by: nip at June 11, 2020 11:25 AM (Izot6)

118 My hero.

Speaking of heroes, I've had to listen to propaganda my entire life from the cop unions that cops are heroes. And right now, when they have the opportunity to be actual heroes, all cops seem to want to do is get on Facebook/Twitter and cry and quit for warming weather. (Sometimes literally.) Captain America never quit even when they turned him into a criminal. Cause real heroes don't quit.

Posted by: squid_hunt at June 11, 2020 11:25 AM (iFMeW)

119 As a fun point to consider, in practice right now the punishments for looting, assault, vandalism, and arson are all lower then the punishments for speeding.

Because the point of government has become taking money from the productive class.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 11, 2020 11:25 AM (WdocV)

120 Most of us in my division are entirely too busy with
shootings, robberies, and aggravated assaults to worry tickets. We know
it's a money grab, and serious officers and detectives ignore that
shit, because our homicide rate is up 27% this year.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at June 11, 2020 11:22 AM (bkUtD)

So why do we have lots of unserious officers? That's not a smart-assed question...I'm serious.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 11, 2020 11:26 AM (dLLD6)

121 61
My feeling is that if the various mayors and/or governors don't stop
these thugs soon, everyday citizens are going to start doing it, and
doing it violently. One possible exception is Seattle, where apparently
nobody cares.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 11, 2020 11:13 AM (kA3Cp)

but if it does spread east from Seattle, there are a lot of heavily armed rednecks just over Snoqualmie Pass. Friend of my brother's has an operational BTR-60.

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at June 11, 2020 11:26 AM (k/TB6)

122 Meal Team Six showing up with an MRAP where a few people in a parking lot were protesting seems like overkill.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at June 11, 2020 11:21 AM (5pybm)

Ok. If you can promise beforehand that they won't get shot by violent people, I'm game for removing them.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 11, 2020 11:26 AM (biITN)

123 So I live in a big small town or small city depends how you want to describe it. In the last 3 weeks virtually every home and piece of land for sale has gone under contract. Multiple offers on things that had been sitting for months. As soon as something nice I listed at a reasonable price it is gone.

Our real estate market has always been pretty good. There has been a steady stream of people moving here for 20 years. But the last 2-3 weeks it has kicked into overdrive. Ive never seen it like this before not even at the peak of the mid 2000 insanity.

Big cities are going to bleed people over this.

Posted by: Hotgas VIP Member at June 11, 2020 11:26 AM (JJ7UO)

124 101
I can buy that. My concerns now is that I think I have a decent sense of timing of the mood in general, which comes from reading a lot of sources. The Antifa movement is fading, but still powerful, as is BLM. Congress is worse than useless, with both sides doing nothing but mouthing idiocies. Every religious and corporate institution is staffed by people hunkering down behind their desks and begging for mercy from who, they don't even know.

Suddenly, there is a huge Vacuum at the top. Trump has the opportunity to seize the moment, but he has to act. The nature of Vacuum's is that they never are present very long, someone always steps up to fill it. The times are ripe.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 11, 2020 11:22 AM (Kpl3J)

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It does feel like there's a vacuum, but it feels like that vacuum's been there for a couple of weeks. In that time, we got the shifting narrative of the protests from well meaning, to violent, to defund the police, to well, we're back on covid now.

I get the sense that Trump's relative quiet has actually been well used.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at June 11, 2020 11:26 AM (LvTSG)

125 The left is in perpetual motion.

They won't stop and apparently no one is going to stop them.

Posted by: Not Voting Our Way Out Of This at June 11, 2020 11:26 AM (55lwO)

126 I don't like bully cops. That isn't the only cops I run into, but it feels like it. There's always an edge, be it 'cop face' or something else where the cop is about two seconds away from deciding to arrest you.

(Some military types give off the same vibe, though strangely less often)

But I'll swallow bully cops if they direct their attention at actual lawbreakers impartially. There is a role for hard men and even assholes. Policing is, or should be, a tough job.

What I won't swallow are bully cops who pick sides. Who choose not to defend people and property. Who stand down, who kneel, but will fuck you up if aren't in the protected class of the day.

Cops want our support? Enforce the law. Impartially, justly, subject to the same rules we civilians live under.

Otherwise, I'll fucking take my chances with competing gangs. I'm gunned up for that scenario.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Free WA, Buy Ammo at June 11, 2020 11:26 AM (ifmtJ)

127 If there's no collective bargaining it's not a Union. It's a club.
OK - fine - have it your way. Police are twisting their guts up from the inside out, having to do no-knock raids they don't want to go on, trembling hands holding onto an AR they never wanted, riding in an MRAP they didn't want to board, because they have no means whatsoever to tell government "No, we don't want automatic weapons and armored vehicles."
I have see the light. Police = Good. My mind, boss, is now right. And I do mean right.

Posted by: Ramblin' Man at June 11, 2020 11:27 AM (RATxy)

128 Not true. Out here in Free America we still have Right To Work states.
Posted by: deplorable unperson
......

Right to Work States can still have unions.

Most do.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 11, 2020 11:27 AM (CjFDo)

129 Captain America never quit even when they turned him into a criminal. Cause real heroes don't quit.
***

I'm greatly amused that right now we are getting to watch The Dark Knight Rises in real life....but obviously there isn't a batman, so I guess that means Seattle is getting nuked?

Posted by: 18-1 at June 11, 2020 11:27 AM (WdocV)

130 I remember the scene from Field of Dreams where Costner's hippie wife stood up to the PTA in defense of whatever book was under discussion.

She'd be the bad guy in the remake, by the way.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at June 11, 2020 11:22 AM (LvTSG)
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Because burning books is bad until they want some books to burn.

The long-term infantilism of the left is revealed day by day.

Posted by: Axeman at June 11, 2020 11:27 AM (Eicbe)

131
*Munkey*

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 11, 2020 11:27 AM (EGyGV)

132 I feel like an asshoe.

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 11, 2020 11:24 AM (ir0g0)

A banned one. Come back in a couple of days.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 11, 2020 11:27 AM (dLLD6)

133 Glad to see some common sense cop hate again. Count me in. They are paid to be pros. Bongino is way off in his cop defense. He dissapoints on this. Cops are people who enjoy telling others what to do. There are many ways to do this, they choose the adversarial approach too many times.
As in everything, I treat them as individuals and woukd appreciate the same respect. Thats my major beef with all this identity bullshit. Its bullshit. Did you ever see the video of the guy in the hallway they executed? Cmon man.

Posted by: Asscheeks of Saturn at June 11, 2020 11:27 AM (X2m/e)

134 129
There is no such thing as an anarchist.
Anarchy is real, yes. But "anarchists" are frauds full of shit looking to impose their own stricter government.
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 11, 2020 11:27 AM (ir0g0)

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This is why textbook communism never materializes.

It's the handwaving between revolution and classless society that never really gets taken into account.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at June 11, 2020 11:28 AM (LvTSG)

135 All that body armor, those automatic weapons, flash bangs, armored vehicles, comm units, and they only use that shit against dogs and religious nuts and Vicky Weaver.

Never against roving bands of armed thugs, fascist Commies, PantyFa, or Democrats (BIRM).

Kinda makes ya ponder.

Posted by: Sharkman at June 11, 2020 11:28 AM (/WAUs)

136 When you start banning rap music for misogyny come talk to me about banning "Gone With the Wind."

On second thought Scarlet, go fuck yourself.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at June 11, 2020 11:28 AM (koNhm)

137 Can I pick good policing with the occasional bad apple?

Posted by: m at June 11, 2020 11:25 AM (Ij+4T)

Sure, as long as the police will police themselves. I do a lot of work around local police departments and its just a revolving door where those bad apples get hired next door and then back again. It's an open secret. The cops I know get a big laugh out of it. Ha ha.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at June 11, 2020 11:28 AM (CQ3Qb)

138 Ok. If you can promise beforehand that they won't get shot by violent people, I'm game for removing them.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 11, 2020 11:26 AM (biITN)
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I can promise you that just like I can promise you you won't be run over by a drunk driver on the way home.

Life isn't safe, we all die at some point.

The idea that cops have to be perfectly safe no matter the situation is a ridiculous premise and that seems to be what you're arguing.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at June 11, 2020 11:28 AM (5pybm)

139 129 Captain America never quit even when they turned him into a criminal. Cause real heroes don't quit.
***

I'm greatly amused that right now we are getting to watch The Dark Knight Rises in real life....but obviously there isn't a batman, so I guess that means Seattle is getting nuked?

Posted by: 18-1 at June 11, 2020 11:27 AM (WdocV)

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There's also no Bane, though there are plenty of masks.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at June 11, 2020 11:28 AM (LvTSG)

140 I'm starting to think CHAZ is really an ambitious 4Chan op to validate conservative polices. So far we have seen:

-- Borders are good! First thing they did was set up perimeter walls.

-- Stop and frisk: "People's Police head Raz Simone has this forces stopping and frisking any unfamiliar faces

-- Guns needed to keep the peace! Seattle Antifa twitter put out a request for more guns in CHAZ.

https://twitter.com/RainCityAntifa

Buy more popcorn!

Posted by: Lizzy at June 11, 2020 11:29 AM (bDqIh)

141 Because the point of government has become taking money from the productive class.
Posted by: 18-1

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There was a good discussion on that by Dave Rubin. Laws (and fines) are only applied to those who will comply.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 11, 2020 11:29 AM (kA3Cp)

142 Posted by: Ramblin' Man at June 11, 2020 11:27 AM (RAT

You can hate on the police all you want. No one is stopping you.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at June 11, 2020 11:29 AM (2DOZq)

143 A very easy way to fix unions in the US.

Ban them from working across companies.

A Union boss wants more influence and dues paying members? Fine. Work with the company to get more market share. Make the interests of the union and the company align.

Right now the unions are mostly just a different flavor of organized crime using a labor cartel to stick it to domestic businesses.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 11, 2020 11:29 AM (WdocV)

144 115 The militarization doesn't really align time wise with the violent crime rate is all.
Posted by: Someguy at June 11, 2020 11:21 AM (zR1US

I disagree. If anything, it lagged for a while through the 80s.

If you're telling me that cops should be limited to certain weaponry then lets determine what that weaponry needs to be. Because I don't want to send a Cop with a family at home into situations where he's completely outgunned and hope the sympathy and compassion of the criminals gets him or her home at night.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 11, 2020 11:24 AM (biITN)

MRAPs started in 2007 for military use. Being distributed to police departments has only begun as we started winding down the War on Terror. That's a hell of a lag, I don't think they're reacting to 1980s crime numbers.

Posted by: Someguy at June 11, 2020 11:30 AM (zR1US)

145 Trump has shown zero leadership on this current crisis. None. Sorry, Twitter isn't a strategy. It's an outlet for sniping and most Americans aren't on it. I'm actually shocked at Trump's failure to use all the tools of his office to provide some leadership.

Posted by: Hesco Gypsy, staring from 457 meters at June 11, 2020 11:30 AM (ShJ3E)

146 I agree with maybe 50% of what you wrote, CBD. The other 50% sounds a bit petulant.

Posted by: Sooner - White blue-eyed debil at June 11, 2020 11:30 AM (Fs5vw)

147 There's also no Bane, though there are plenty of masks.
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Oh, we'll get some Banes. Isn't that Raz Simone guy the first? But what we really need to know is who Talia Al Ghul is.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 11, 2020 11:30 AM (WdocV)

148 That's fair. But I think most people would agree that we aren't doing a very good job of policing in this country.

I like the Empress' big 3 on this subject: kill the unions, kill qualified immunity, and kill civil asset forfeiture.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 11, 2020 11:31 AM (ZGrMX)

149 Seattle's CHAZ gives ALL cops something to point and laugh at.

Posted by: m at June 11, 2020 11:31 AM (Ij+4T)

150 You can hate on the police all you want. No one is stopping you.
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at June 11, 2020 11:29 AM (2DOZq)

Dude - I'm thinking about digging into my savings and dropping them off a few ARs and flash-bangs. My mind is now right, and I do mean right.

Maybe print 'em a house key while I'm at it.

Posted by: Ramblin' Man at June 11, 2020 11:31 AM (RATxy)

151 If you can promise beforehand that they won't get shot by violent people, I'm game for removing them.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 11, 2020 11:26 AM (biITN)

Policing in America is not that dangerous. Construction, driving a cab, oil drilling, tree trimming. Much more dangerous.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 11, 2020 11:31 AM (dLLD6)

152 When you start banning rap music for misogyny come talk to me about banning "Gone With the Wind."

On second thought Scarlet, go fuck yourself.
Posted by: xnycpeasant at June 11, 2020 11:28 AM (koNhm)
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This isn't a negotiation or a conversation. Whiteman bad. They will tell you what's fair.

Posted by: Axeman at June 11, 2020 11:31 AM (Eicbe)

153 I see that a RINO led Senate panel has voted to rename bases named after Confederate generals.

Congressional Taliban

Posted by: deplorable unperson - Black Lives Matter is a terrorist organization at June 11, 2020 11:31 AM (WvQcX)

154 147 There's also no Bane, though there are plenty of masks.
***

Oh, we'll get some Banes. Isn't that Raz Simone guy the first? But what we really need to know is who Talia Al Ghul is.
Posted by: 18-1 at June 11, 2020 11:30 AM (WdocV)

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She's inside the house!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at June 11, 2020 11:31 AM (LvTSG)

155 On second thought Scarlet, go fuck yourself.
Posted by: xnycpeasant at June 11, 2020 11:28 AM (koNhm)
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That was pretty much Rhett's exit line, if memory serves.

Though, not quite that direct.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at June 11, 2020 11:31 AM (5pybm)

156 Alexis Ohanian asked to be replaced by a black candidate on Reddit's board.�

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Take my job, please!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 11, 2020 11:31 AM (+y/Ru)

157 OMG Trump is holding his next rally on Juneteenth in Tulsa he's deliberately provoking us with Racist Dog Whistles AAAAARGH!"

Posted by: Pete in Texas

It's as much a fucking Republican holiday as it is a black one, despite nobody being taught that any longer or the GOP having the balls to talk about it.

Posted by: Sharkman at June 11, 2020 11:32 AM (/WAUs)

158 The other 50% sounds a bit petulant.

Posted by: Sooner - White blue-eyed debil at June 11, 2020 11:30 AM (Fs5vw)

Okay...I'll bite. Which part is petulant.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 11, 2020 11:32 AM (dLLD6)

159 It's as if they are channeling the Palestinians, about whom Abba Eban
famously said, "They never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity."

________

I thought that was first said about the Republican Party. Oh wait, I'm getting confused with "snatching defeat from the jaws of victory" again ...

Posted by: ShainS -- No more half measures, Donald at June 11, 2020 11:32 AM (WqPYg)

160 If anyone attacks us and if the conditions are favorable for battle, we will certainly act in self-defense to wipe him out resolutely, thoroughly, wholly and completely (we do not strike rashly, but when we do strike, we must win). We must never be cowed by the bluster of reactionaries.

Posted by: Mao at June 11, 2020 11:32 AM (MtmVO)

161 There was a good discussion on that by Dave Rubin. Laws (and fines) are only applied to those who will comply.

___________________________

I was at traffic court once and one of the guys before me was up for like a 3rd offense for driving without a license. Judge gave him another fine and the guy, said, "I didn't pay all them other fines, why you think I'll pay this one?"

Well the judge was pissed as hell, but I bet they never got any money from that guy and he kept on driving.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 11, 2020 11:33 AM (1ISKN)

162 Greetings:

This seemed a bit one-sided to me, focus on the police and not the significant changes in the sub-demographics over the last 50 or so of my years.

Disrespect for authority seems to me to have become a badge of courage in some minds and that seems to be re-inforced in things like "rap" music and the preachings of all those shadowy NGOs and "non-profits".

Even that Chauvin guy of current infamy. The number of complaints against him are never fleshed out, are they ???

Posted by: 11B40 at June 11, 2020 11:33 AM (evgyj)

163 Anarchy is real, yes. But "anarchists" are frauds full of shit looking to impose their own stricter government.
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 11, 2020 11:27 AM (ir0g0)

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Anarchists. I laugh at them. Occupy. Pantifa.

Those dickweeds would be among the very first to perish if real honest to God anarchy ever came to pass.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 11, 2020 11:33 AM (8XRCm)

164 Orangeman bad was just the work up to Whiteman bad.

The post-literate society needs Emmanuel Goldsteins to focus their anger and stay out of the way of the elite.

1. Get people used to targeting their frustration.
2. Shift it to a wider group of people who's POV you want to suppress.

Posted by: Axeman at June 11, 2020 11:33 AM (Eicbe)

165 "Posted by: Hesco Gypsy"

What would you like to see Trump do? "Leadership" is not specific.

Posted by: Chris M at June 11, 2020 11:33 AM (eAZVt)

166 CBD, I do think you deserve big kudos for composing a coherent and engaging essay on this topic. Especially when the slogans and cheap shots are flying fast and furious.

Posted by: m at June 11, 2020 11:33 AM (Ij+4T)

167 I heard that Blackmail Matters is now demanding that M and M remove the green ones from every bag sold.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 11, 2020 11:21 AM (kA3Cp)

They should get rid of the "W"'s while they are at it.

Posted by: AOC at June 11, 2020 11:33 AM (ATahq)

168 Trump has shown zero leadership on this current crisis. None. Sorry, Twitter isn't a strategy

Trump's doing exactly the right thing: letting the blue cities get what they voted for good and hard while pointing out that local and state Dem officials aren't doing a damn thing about it.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 11, 2020 11:34 AM (ZGrMX)

169 Policing in America is not that dangerous. Construction, driving a cab, oil drilling, tree trimming. Much more dangerous.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 11, 2020 11:31 AM (dLLD6)

Who has a greater chance of being shot or assaulted ?

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at June 11, 2020 11:34 AM (2DOZq)

170 Guns needed to keep the peace! Seattle Antifa twitter put out a request for more guns in CHAZ.�

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Yeah, we wouldn't want the crazies to take over.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 11, 2020 11:34 AM (+y/Ru)

171 I was a reporter once (no booing, please), and now I am an English prof (no booing, please) and in both careers, have had lots of encounters with police officers--in both their professional and civilian capacities. I wrote up the police report every week for several years, so talked to police all the time. As a prof, I often get police who are students--trying to get advanced degrees so they can go on to something less harrowing (Philadelphia). After 30 years combined of knowing police officers (and as students, mostly African American women AND men), I can tel you now that they make the best students, are unfailingly polite and helpful to me as as well as their classmates. When I was a reporter, the cops were mostly white, but a couple of exceptions (Philly suburbs just outside the border). Again, other than one complete jerk (a lieutenant, detective), all were serious but willing to be flexible and respond with civility and good temper. The stuff they faced. The people they came up against--wow. I am quite sure I would fail completely at that job--it takes nerves of steel and quick judgment. Sometimes they get it wrong. We all do. ...and know what? That speeding thing? Well, they have scraped plenty of people up from the pavement who thought speeding or drunk driving was a minor infraction. The police are the ones who have to show up at the door to tell people the bad news when that happens. It makes a mark.

Posted by: scotsfury at June 11, 2020 11:34 AM (o2qR1)

172 No one remembers when I pushed down armored vehicles and body armor to local PDs?

Posted by: Barky McPhuckstick at June 11, 2020 11:34 AM (xDMIu)

173
It's as much a fucking Republican holiday as it
is a black one, despite nobody being taught that any longer or the GOP
having the balls to talk about it.

Posted by: Sharkman at June 11, 2020 11:32 AM (/WAUs)

Why would anyone celebrate that? The Emancipation Proclamation freed no one. It had no legal power in the Confederacy and Lincoln deliberately left out slaves in the Northern states from his supposed emancipation.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at June 11, 2020 11:35 AM (nAiE/)

174 I remember the scene from Field of Dreams where Costner's hippie wife stood up to the PTA in defense of whatever book was under discussion.

She'd be the bad guy in the remake, by the way.

The book was written by a black man. She's still a hero.

Posted by: Laughing in Texas at June 11, 2020 11:35 AM (ExV1e)

175

NOT CHAZ!!!!!

Is the Seattles People Autonomous Zone.

SPAZ!!!

Posted by: fixerupper at June 11, 2020 11:35 AM (8XRCm)

176 The idea that cops have to be perfectly safe no matter the situation is a ridiculous premise and that seems to be what you're arguing.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at June 11, 2020 11:28 AM (5pybm)

You and I are asking this person to stand between us and the criminals. I, for one, want that person to have whatever is necessary to keep themselves safe. That's the agreement for their sacrifice.

Don't get me wrong. There is a huge area for change available. A lot of assholes become police simply for the opportunity to be Mussolini with people. I want those folks gone to.

But I will argue against anything that sends us down the road to becoming London.

If a cop wants a vest to protect himself, give it to him. If he wants to carry an AR in the trunk because shootouts suck, give it to him. If they want an armored vehicle to enter into an out of control situation like we just saw across America, give it to them.

These outlier situations of bad cops shouldn't mean we neuter all cops and increase the odds of them getting hurt to do the job.

When there are no more cops or they are all walking around with very specific ROE and crime gets out of control, you will be required to defend yourself and protect your family. And I'd bet at that point you might want an MrAP or some body armor. Maybe a flash bang.

The one constant is criminals being criminals. They don't change and they are becoming less and less concerned about your well being.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 11, 2020 11:35 AM (biITN)

177 29 But I don't think the PD had much choice in militarizing their tactics and weapons.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 11, 2020 11:07 AM (biITN)

It's not about weapons or other gear. It's not about tactics.

It's about ROE. Give 'em the same are our kids got in Asscrackistan out among the local population.

Meaning, you have to take effective fire from those you don't positively know beforehand are gunning for you.

More cop casualties? Sure. Take care of them and their families. Will some cops quit? Sure. Let 'em. Will we find souls willing to do the job under those circumstances? I truly believe so. The Army and USMC did and do. And not just the one who signed up for being door-kickers, either.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at June 11, 2020 11:35 AM (di1hb)

178 "Whilst famed for the creation of the Scouts, we also recognise that
there are some aspects of Robert Baden-Powell's life that are
considered less worthy of commemoration,"

Okay, what did Baden-Powell do that was UNACCEPTABLE by modern woke standards?

Can't be that he was a closeted gay married to a closeted lesbian, 'cause they'd celebrate that.

The intarwebs say something about vague "ties to Hitler", but I've never heard such, and none of the sources give any details.

However, it does appear that the statue has been spared for now. At least until the mob gets to it.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia (kneels to no one on this Earth) at June 11, 2020 11:35 AM (hKLpI)

179 145 Trump has shown zero leadership on this current crisis. None. Sorry, Twitter isn't a strategy. It's an outlet for sniping and most Americans aren't on it. I'm actually shocked at Trump's failure to use all the tools of his office to provide some leadership.
Posted by: Hesco Gypsy, staring from 457 meters at June 11, 2020 11:30 AM (ShJ3E)

Respectfully disagree.

He's making the governors, and elected officials from the state take ownership.

In my mind, it's the best way to get the electorate to sit up and take notice of what type of leadership they elected at a local level.

Posted by: browndog at June 11, 2020 11:36 AM (BgMrQ)

180 Policing in America is not that dangerous. Construction, driving a cab, oil drilling, tree trimming. Much more dangerous.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 11, 2020 11:31 AM (dLLD6)

________

"I'm a lumberjack and not okay ..."

Posted by: ShainS -- No more half measures, Donald at June 11, 2020 11:36 AM (WqPYg)

181 I see that a RINO led Senate panel has voted to rename bases named after Confederate generals.

In fairness, several of those generals would be best described as incompetent, so it's a weird message to send to the modern military to name bases after them. Then again, we have the USS Jimmy Carter.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 11, 2020 11:36 AM (ZGrMX)

182 Being former law enforcement from 90's - 00's, I was trained under the "community policing" model and still truly believe in it's merits, if practiced correctly. My wife actually works for our city's police academy and I ask her all the time whatever happened to teaching community policing - because based on what I see on the street and in the news, it would appear that that form of policing has been abandoned.

Part of the problem with the LEO profession, as I see it, is that there are too many people entering the profession that are ONLY looking for an "easy" paycheck, excellent benefits, possible retirement pension (those are hard to find nowadays!), and a heapin' helpin' of respectmahauthoritah; they simply aren't there to serve those communities, only themselves. (I feel this is an issue for the military as well.) I saw people like this when I was an LEO/FTO and I would frequently call them out on it.

All that said, I agree that the combination of most state/county/city's laws are written as such that it is damned near impossible to walk or drive a mile down the street without violating some law, ordinance, or code.

Posted by: Shinjinrui at June 11, 2020 11:36 AM (+3MaN)

183 I also believe the "War on Drugs" had a great deal to do with all of this, and I have to say that in almost every respect, it's been a colossal failure. We've been fighting the "war on drugs" for my entire adult life, and the situation is now WORSE in almost every way than it was when this began! Is that "winning"??? No, I call that losing, and when you have been involved in war where you have lost consistently for 50 years, it's time to think about doing something else. This doesn't mean decriminalize everything, but we have to admit, what we are doing is NOT working.

Meanwhile, the bad effects of what we are doing - we have empowered the cartels, who have gotten fabulously wealthy, and we have also created a huge infrastructure of public officials (not just police) who's entire careers, whose entire departments, depend on keeping the "War on Drugs" going no matter what.

My point is that this has locked us into an ever-escalating cycle of permanent failure, and at least a part of what we are seeing on the streets today is an expression of that. I'm not sure what we should do, but we GOTTA do something different than we have been doing.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 11, 2020 11:36 AM (Kpl3J)

184 I'd like the following rules in place for policing...

1) No immunity for any government employees, including cops. Sorry, we aren't supposed to have nobility.

2) Cops can only have weapons legal for the people in their state/locality.

3) Automatic death penalty for anyone convicted of murdering a cop. We are going to take their MRAPs and such a way, this balances it.

4) All criminal laws have to be re-passed every 4 years. ALL OF THEM. If NYC wants to use fatal force to ban the sale of loosie cigarettes well....let's hear that debate on a regular basis.

5) No police department can receive funds from fines. Do we need things like speed limits and red lights? Sure. But they shouldn't be a major source of funding for the cops it inherently creates corruption - artifically low speed limits, short yellow lights, etc.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 11, 2020 11:36 AM (WdocV)

185 Cop unions know bad cops like the NEA knows bad teachers. This is the natural end product of collective bargaining. Solid performing pros need a union like a fish needs a bicycle

Posted by: Asscheeks of Saturn at June 11, 2020 11:36 AM (X2m/e)

186 171...and know what? That speeding thing? Well, they have scraped plenty of people up from the pavement who thought speeding or drunk driving was a minor infraction. The police are the ones who have to show up at the door to tell people the bad news when that happens. It makes a mark.
Posted by: scotsfury at June 11, 2020 11:34 AM (o2qR1)

Nice. I actually teared up at this part.

Posted by: m at June 11, 2020 11:37 AM (Ij+4T)

187 Who has a greater chance of being shot or assaulted ?

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at June 11, 2020 11:34 AM (2DOZq)

Cab drivers.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 11, 2020 11:38 AM (dLLD6)

188 No one remembers when I pushed down armored vehicles and body armor to local PDs?

Posted by: Barky McPhuckstick at June 11, 2020 11:34 AM

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Scott Country Kentucky got one from that program. MRAP complete with .50 cal mounted on top.

They claimed it would only be used for hostage situations. They took it out every chance they got. They started using it to serve drug warrants claiming they needed the protection it offered.

Maintenance costs on that thing were a beast. The tires were something like $5,000 each. It was broke down more than it ran.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 11, 2020 11:38 AM (JUOKG)

189
I heard that Blackmail Matters is now demanding that M and M remove the green ones from every bag sold.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 11, 2020 11:21 AM (kA3Cp)

What did green mms do to them?

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at June 11, 2020 11:38 AM (nAiE/)

190 Push for another shut-down will be getting started. Which Dem gov will go first to wreck what is left of their state if it saves just one life?
I don't think any will dare to, the MSM just wants to bash Trump with this.

"How many lives sir, how many lives is a percentage of growth worth to you? What do you say to that widow whose husband died so we can have more stuff? "

Posted by: Ripley at June 11, 2020 11:38 AM (MxEKc)

191 When was yhe last time you saw a fit Palm Beach County sheriff?

Posted by: Asscheeks of Saturn at June 11, 2020 11:38 AM (X2m/e)

192 How come nobody has the stones in media to note the other party that burned books, banned certain movies, and pulled down statues?

Hint: It occurred from 1933 to 1945

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 11, 2020 11:39 AM (kA3Cp)

193 Being former law enforcement from 90's - 00's, I was trained under the
"community policing" model and still truly believe in it's merits, if
practiced correctly.

City policing went to shit here when they removed to requirement to live in your precinct, gave 'em take home cars, and invoked the 24/7 on-duty policy.

It created a mindset that these people were above the citizenry. Because they were indeed made so. They're super-citizens now.

What did anybody think would happen next ?

Posted by: Ramblin' Man at June 11, 2020 11:39 AM (RATxy)

194 141
Because the point of government has become taking money from the productive class.

Posted by: 18-1

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There was a good discussion on that by Dave Rubin. Laws (and fines) are only applied to those who will comply.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 11, 2020 11:29 AM (kA3Cp)
--Let's refine this point. Government has used local police power and associated laws re: asset forfeiture, fines to provide funding for programs which local government would otherwise have to propose a tax increase to create said funding, leading to a further exodus from high-tax locales.

Posted by: Kevin in ABQ at June 11, 2020 11:39 AM (17dWt)

195 Obama could have had all those base names changed his first year in office.

I am not passionate about keeping the names, but I know it wont stop there, so we have to stand up for it right now.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at June 11, 2020 11:39 AM (JRaU+)

196 for people hydroponically growing tomatoes in their basements.

Posted by: Insomniac

Thank Heaven they finally started legalizing the home growing of tomatoes!

;-)

Posted by: Sharkman at June 11, 2020 11:39 AM (/WAUs)

197 Why does everyone always discount the cost of social breakdown in the policing/government power equation? A better citizenry requires less policing, and we've tossed Judeo-Christian values for wokeness.

The sight of Columbus statues being decapitated in Boston and torn down in VA and MN is absolutely anathema to me. The leftward/totalitarian/anarchist march is not a reaction to the Right's governance, but a feature of Leftist power -- from local dog catcher to DC. We will always have to keep our side of the political street clean, but the (former) liberals have allowed these weeds to grow, unchecked, for at least the past 50 years. Seattle is the result.

Posted by: red speck at June 11, 2020 11:39 AM (gS3OW)

198 That's the horrible minimalist ape what ripped off my face!

Posted by: Charla Nash at June 11, 2020 11:40 AM (2E8pG)

199 Komonews--whoever that is, popping up on google:

"Police free 'CHAZ' gets support, mixed reviews from neighbors, businessas"

Yeah, right. "Businesses."

Posted by: m at June 11, 2020 11:40 AM (Ij+4T)

200 Not for nothing but the market has been tanking since companies have been capitulating to the Lollipop Mafia. I have been investing a long time and this is pushing me out like permanently

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie some where in Nebraska at June 11, 2020 11:40 AM (ibm3K)

201 Cab drivers.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 11, 2020 11:38 AM (dLLD6)

Not true.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at June 11, 2020 11:40 AM (2DOZq)

202 What did green mms do to them?

Posted by: redbanzai

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It doesn't matter, and is racist to question their demands.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 11, 2020 11:40 AM (kA3Cp)

203 Trump has shown zero leadership on this current
crisis. None. Sorry, Twitter isn't a strategy. It's an outlet for
sniping and most Americans aren't on it. I'm actually shocked at Trump's
failure to use all the tools of his office to provide some leadership.

Posted by: Hesco Gypsy, staring from 457 meters at June 11, 2020 11:30 AM (ShJ3E)

Respectfully disagree.

He's making the governors, and elected officials from the state take ownership.

In my mind, it's the best way to get the electorate to sit up and
take notice of what type of leadership they elected at a local level.

Posted by: browndog at June 11, 2020 11:36 AM

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Yep, plus don't forget that anything Trump did or does will be used in November to "prove" Trump is a dictator stepping on States rights.

It's a bull$hit trap they are trying to get Trump to walk into and he ain't falling for it.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 11, 2020 11:40 AM (JUOKG)

204 "Posted by: Ian S. at June 11, 2020 11:34 AM (ZGrMX)"

That's the most demonstrably ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

A good leader doesn't sit in his ass and lead with his thumbs on Twitter. He gets out, speaks at every opportunity and provides guidance, not fucking one-liners and dunks on Twitter.

Trump has said nothing material on this issue. No speech, no recitation of his record, no plan. Meanwhile from a political standpoint he's sinking with all the groups needed for a reelection. Oh yeah and he fires his polling people because he doesn't like the polls. Tone-deaf and insulated much?

Like I said, he has demonstrably shown zero leadership and it's showing. No "rally" is going to save him unless he starts to get out more forcefully and provide the American people with reassurance and leadership, not Twitter punditry.

Posted by: Hesco Gypsy, staring from 457 meters at June 11, 2020 11:40 AM (ShJ3E)

205 172
No one remembers when I pushed down armored vehicles and body armor to local PDs?

Posted by: Barky McPhuckstick at June 11, 2020 11:34 AM (xDMIu)

Oh, it was Obama's fault! That solves it then. Next post up yet?

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at June 11, 2020 11:40 AM (CQ3Qb)

206 It seems to me the root cause of this buffoonery is a lack of uniform accountability for behavior. There is clearly a different standard of accountability applied to politicians and citizens. Politicians in positions of unchecked power are just doing what politicians do.The cops for the most part are just doing what their paymasters (politicians) tell them to.

If you want this kind of buffoonery to stop, you're gonna have to set a very strict and severe example. Take someone like that Seattle Mayor, or the city council woman, or both and recall them immediately, then sue them personally.

The alternative solution is much less polite but is at least equally, and probably more effective.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 11, 2020 11:41 AM (sFe0x)

207 Trump has shown zero leadership on this current crisis. None. Sorry, Twitter isn't a strategy

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That's bullshit. That's what he has shown. He told governors that they had to *dominate*, and they laughed and Orangemanbadded him off.

And then he's telling weakling Inslee that he has to control the situation.

You forget, the main role of the president is to exercise HIS discretion. He was denounced just a week ago for wanting to use military-like force inside the US.

He has the absolute discretion to override the governors--but only at HIS discretion of exercising the supreme executive powers.

Posted by: Axeman at June 11, 2020 11:41 AM (Eicbe)

208 155 On second thought Scarlet, go fuck yourself.
Posted by: xnycpeasant at June 11, 2020 11:28 AM (koNhm)
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That was pretty much Rhett's exit line, if memory serves.

Though, not quite that direct.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at June 11, 2020 11:31 AM (5pybm)

I'm a logical-thinker, and I cannot begin to understand the GWTW hate by the Progressives. It didn't make me want to go out and get me a slave, oppress blacks, think less of blacks, or think highly of any of the white people, other than Rhett and the character played by Olivia DeHavilland. I thought all the other whites were misguided fools. I felt sympathy for the blacks.

If you want to show people what the Old South was like, and make 99.9 percent of them ridicule and dislike it, I cannot think of a better means to do so than making them watch GWTW.

Posted by: Gref at June 11, 2020 11:41 AM (AMIL/)

209 There are definitely asshole cops. My cousin has always been a jerk and a bully and he became a cop in Georgia. I have no doubt he enjoyed pushing people around.

But the same could be said of many professions. Teachers who become teachers because they want to get their perverted hands on children, or sadly even more common now, because they want to indoctrinate and brainwash. There are doctors who shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a patient and it is also very difficult to get rid of bad doctors.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&&V at June 11, 2020 11:41 AM (HabA/)

210 I missed it. What did Sooth say to get him banned?

Posted by: Tami at June 11, 2020 11:41 AM (cF8AT)

211 With growth of government comes growth of its policing power. It's as simple as that.
Yep and in the end, it's always the money.

Good cop, bad cop, dumb cop , racist cop blah blah blah.

None of it means anything beyond scoring political points and political warfare.

Look at "DUI Task Forces" - did they stop accidents caused by drunk drivers? Who knows? Who cares?

Because they made a shit-ton of money for their various government agencies. Always , always follow the money.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - Black Lives Matter is a terrorist organization at June 11, 2020 11:42 AM (WvQcX)

212 Outstanding rant, CBD. It mirrors my thoughts closer than what I thought another human could do.

It's as if they are channeling the Palestinians, about whom Abba Eban famously said, "They never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity."

Posted by: CBD at 11:00 AM

That is not a mistake, it is by design. The powers which control the streets see opportunity in division, not unity. That's why they pick such awful humans to martyr. Trayvon, Mike Brown, George Floyd etc. These guys weren't angels, not even close. But in death they became flawless victims of evil law enforcement which itself is a stand in for White people. So if you listen to what the protesters are really saying you realise it's just anti-white rage being expressed.
Now all the folks like you and me and millions of others say to ourselves, hey I'm not supporting my own demise nor advocating hatred off all cops. If these are my two binary choices (and they make sure it is so), then I'll sit this one out or stand with the cops, which isn't necessarily where I want to be.

It's by design, no doubt about it. Otherwise it wouldn't keep happening the same way.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 11, 2020 11:42 AM (z79tQ)

213 The one constant is criminals being criminals. They
don't change and they are becoming less and less concerned about your
well being.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 11, 2020 11:35 AM (biITN)

The new constant is some cops also being criminals while all the other ones look the other way.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at June 11, 2020 11:42 AM (CQ3Qb)

214 and know what? That speeding thing? Well, they have scraped plenty of
people up from the pavement who thought speeding or drunk driving was a
minor infraction.

***

Oh come on, those two things are very much not alike.

What percentage of the population exceeds the posted speed limits? My memory is the data says 95%.

So the speed limits are bullshit and should be uniformly raised.

Hell, the highways were generally designed for safe travel at 75MPH with 1950s era cars. There is no credible argument for a 65 or 55MPH speed limit on a flat, straight stretch of highway.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 11, 2020 11:42 AM (WdocV)

215 145
Trump has shown zero leadership on this current crisis. None. Sorry,
Twitter isn't a strategy. It's an outlet for sniping and most Americans
aren't on it. I'm actually shocked at Trump's failure to use all the
tools of his office to provide some leadership.

Posted by: Hesco Gypsy, staring from 457 meters at June 11, 2020 11:30 AM (ShJ3E)

__________

I've been disappointed as well. I don't care if it's blue shitholes, there are real and good Americans being harmed here who deserve to be protected.

I'm still disgusted that he and Barr didn't immediately arrest, prosecute, and imprison sanctuary state governors, sanctuary city mayors and others for violating federal law. That would have set a powerful example (let alone dragging their feet on the unindicted coup-conspirators).
And don't even get me started on his being duped from Day One by Fauci and the rest ... [doesn't mean I won't crawl over broken glass to support him and be willing to give my life to defend him if need be]. Dude is neither perfect nor a God.

Posted by: ShainS -- No more half measures, Donald at June 11, 2020 11:42 AM (WqPYg)

216 Question for the Horde:

What's with the readings from Mao recently?

Best to know your enemy?

Troll?

Lost soul?

I don't get it...

Posted by: browndog at June 11, 2020 11:42 AM (BgMrQ)

217 210 There are definitely asshole cops.
But the same could be said of many professions.
Posted by: Donna&&&&&&&V at June 11, 2020 11:41 AM (HabA/)

Of all professions.

Posted by: m at June 11, 2020 11:42 AM (Ij+4T)

218 182 Being former law enforcement from 90's - 00's, I was trained under the "community policing" model and still truly believe in it's merits, if practiced correctly."

I agree with you completely on that - go back even 100 years ago to the places where policing Worked, and it was in those places where police would be men who were from the community, lived in the community, were known by the community, and felt a strong attachment to the community. They would have brothers, sisters, cousins, and friends throughout that community, and that's where they would live. The reason you see the stereotype of Irish cops in old b&w movies is because that's who would be hired to police the poor Irish neighborhoods of Boston and NYC in the early 20th century. It worked, and I don't understand why we got away from that.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 11, 2020 11:42 AM (Kpl3J)

219 209 I'm a logical-thinker, and I cannot begin to understand the GWTW hate by the Progressives. It didn't make me want to go out and get me a slave, oppress blacks, think less of blacks, or think highly of any of the white people, other than Rhett and the character played by Olivia DeHavilland. I thought all the other whites were misguided fools. I felt sympathy for the blacks.

If you want to show people what the Old South was like, and make 99.9 percent of them ridicule and dislike it, I cannot think of a better means to do so than making them watch GWTW.
Posted by: Gref at June 11, 2020 11:41 AM (AMIL/)

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It made it look like slaves were happy.

For we all know that slavery was always like the most horrific parts of 12 Years a Slave.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at June 11, 2020 11:42 AM (LvTSG)

220 Maintenance costs on that thing were a beast. The tires were something like $5,000 each. It was broke down more than it ran.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 11, 2020 11:38 AM (JUOKG)

Fuel consumption alone is around 4 miles to the gallon. Also try changing one of those $5,000 tires with out a recovery vehicle on site.

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at June 11, 2020 11:42 AM (k/TB6)

221 "Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 11, 2020 11:40 AM (JUOKG)"

You can make them own it and stay above it without getting involved. Point out how you're different, what you've done and what your plan is within your sphere of the government. Lead and provide reassurance this is. Not what you will do- or accept. There are a lot of people scared about the future and Trump is playing small ball garbage.

Posted by: Hesco Gypsy, staring from 457 meters at June 11, 2020 11:43 AM (ShJ3E)

222 217 210 There are definitely asshole cops.
But the same could be said of many professions.
Posted by: Donna&&&&&&&V at June 11, 2020 11:41 AM (HabA/)

Of all professions.
Posted by: m at June 11, 2020 11:42 AM (Ij+4T)

but the asshole graphic designer can't lay a nightstick across your head and laugh about it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 11, 2020 11:43 AM (Kpl3J)

223 Policing in America is not that dangerous. Construction, driving a cab, oil drilling, tree trimming. Much more dangerous.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 11, 2020 11:31 AM (dLLD6)

Driving a cab/limo, you are about 7 times more likely to be murdered than a cop is. That stat is pre Uber, and pre riots though.

Over the years I have bitched about pretty much every point CBD brought up, and I like to mention the book Three Felonies A Day to highlight just how much excess gubmint we have on the books.

It is basically impossible to be fully law abiding even if you want to. That's bad.

No laws is worse. No enforcement is worse.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 11, 2020 11:44 AM (Jdw1U)

224 51
We can't have a mine shaft gap.

i wonder whether, back in marconi's day, folks were worried about having a spark gap gap.

Posted by: Anachronda at June 11, 2020 11:44 AM (sGtp+)

225 >>>So why do we have lots of unserious officers? That's not a smart-assed question...I'm serious.

because in this garbage department, they give sweet gigs for people who do crap like that. "Wait, Wyatt has fifteen felony arrests this month, and Jones has forty tickets? Welcome to steady day work, Monday to Friday Jonesy!"

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at June 11, 2020 11:44 AM (bkUtD)

226 If Trump wanted to have fun he could propose naming Fort Bragg to Fort Longstreet.

Longstreet was one of the best confederate generals, but generally hated by Lost Cause writers after the war.

He'd put the SJWs and a bunch of "white nationalists" on the same side of the issue.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 11, 2020 11:44 AM (WdocV)

227 I'm still disgusted that he and Barr didn't immediately arrest, prosecute, and imprison sanctuary state governors, sanctuary city mayors and others for violating federal law. That would have set a powerful example (let alone dragging their feet on the unindicted coup-conspirators).

No, sorry, if he does that he's doing exactly what the DNC wants and Biden wins all 57 states.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 11, 2020 11:45 AM (ZGrMX)

228 Sarah Mucha CNN@sarahmucha

On @colbertlateshow, @StaceyAbrams says she has not received any calls about being vetted as @JoeBiden's running mate. "I have said many times that if called I will answer, but I've not received any calls."

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Yeah, well, don't call us and we won't call you.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 11, 2020 11:45 AM (+y/Ru)

229 210 I missed it. What did Sooth say to get him banned?
Posted by: Tami at June 11, 2020 11:41 AM (cF8AT)

Started a couple of nights ago on an ONT, just Soothy being Soothey

I thought he got the heave ho that night, but it must have been a soft ban, because he was posting yesterday.

I guess it's now formalized.

Posted by: browndog at June 11, 2020 11:45 AM (BgMrQ)

230 Got pulled over last year for a burned out tail light. I don't know if the cop was having a bad day or didn't like the fact that I was carrying, which I dutifully informed him about. Of course, he new that already when he ran my plates. Suffice it to say, it was an unpleasant experience. Guy had aggressive attitude coming out the wazoo. I kept my cool and eventually was "allowed" to get back to where I was going. As CDB pointed out, the thing that really pissed me off was how much it ended up costing me in court.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at June 11, 2020 11:45 AM (EgshT)

231 229 Sarah Mucha CNN@sarahmucha

On @colbertlateshow, @StaceyAbrams says she has not received any calls about being vetted as @JoeBiden's running mate. "I have said many times that if called I will answer, but I've not received any calls."

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Yeah, well, don't call us and we won't call you.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 11, 2020 11:45 AM (+y/Ru)

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So, why is she on the Late Show?

She holds no office. She's not up for any office.

Does she have a new book coming out?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at June 11, 2020 11:46 AM (LvTSG)

232 > I heard that Blackmail Matters is now demanding that M and M remove the green ones from every bag sold.

People make fun of that rider in the Van Halen contract, but supposedly it was there for a reason. If they arrived at the venue and didn't see the bowls of M&Ms with the green ones removed, they could tell instantly that the venue hadn't read the contract carefully, which means that they might also have not read the part about what kind of electrical system needed to be there to support the show without catching on fire, or the part about how much weight the stage had to be constructed to hold so as not to collapse and kill the band, and...

At the time, their show was massive, and a lot of venues just didn't have the physical infrastructure to put handle it safely.

It's a lot easier to look at a bowl of M&Ms than it is to send an engineer under the stage to verify its maximum working load.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia (kneels to no one on this Earth) at June 11, 2020 11:46 AM (hKLpI)

233 Seattle Slug, you really should move to a country with no Second Amendment. If you are consistent in your beliefs.

That'll show us.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - Black Lives Matter is a terrorist organization at June 11, 2020 11:46 AM (WvQcX)

234
The new constant is some cops also being criminals while all the other ones look the other way.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at June 11, 2020 11:42 AM (CQ3Qb)

It's not a constant by any means. It's an outlier. An unfortunate one but still an outlier.

To 'throw the baby out with the bath water' comes to mind here.

We have no farther to look at the results of a pacified police force than Seattle. The same situation people here are arguing that we should get tough about and put an end to.

Send your ideal policeman to the 2x4 barricade and politely ask them to cease and desist.

I'll wait.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 11, 2020 11:46 AM (biITN)

235
Then again, we have the USS Jimmy Carter.
Posted by: Ian S. at June 11, 2020 11:36 AM (ZGrMX)

I'd start looking for a "Boy Named Sue" effect. USS Peanut would be a BEAST in a shooting war.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 11, 2020 11:46 AM (EGyGV)

236 229 Sarah Mucha CNN@sarahmucha

On @colbertlateshow, @StaceyAbrams says she has not received any calls about being vetted as @JoeBiden's running mate. "I have said many times that if called I will answer, but I've not received any calls."

To be fair, Joe has been trying to dial the phone since Tuesday, but just can't push the right buttons....

Posted by: CHAZ Thought Leader at June 11, 2020 11:46 AM (PiwSw)

237 BTW, just saw that Biden basically said that he is sure that military would remove Trump from the White House if he refused to leave (yes, somebody's talking about this goblin again), because of how strong they had come out against him on the use of military force within the US.

So the bonehead said that given how sharply Trump had been corrected on the use of military force inside the US, they would no doubt use military force inside the US to remove the President from the White House.

And apparently, he thinks this is a good thing, that the military picks and chooses what leaders it will follow and to what extent it wants to act within the US. And Trump's the embarrassment.

Posted by: Axeman at June 11, 2020 11:46 AM (Eicbe)

238 FNC doing essentially a campaign ad for Biden by having the reader girl question Donna Brazile on his history (or not) of advancing BLM-type stuff, and Brazile permitted to give a two minute spiel on how absolutely he has done wonders.

What wonders?

The FNC news dummy did not ask.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at June 11, 2020 11:46 AM (+fPHo)

239 Video: https://tinyurl.com/ycsjqqrm

(The hearing impaired guy is almost as funny as Inslee is clueless.)

Posted by: Tami at June 11, 2020 11:08 AM (cF8AT)

Governor Grisham's interpreter is just about as goofy.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at June 11, 2020 11:46 AM (ZSK0i)

240 Like I said, he has demonstrably shown zero leadership and it's showing. No "rally" is going to save him unless he starts to get out more forcefully and provide the American people with reassurance and leadership, not Twitter punditry.

Ok, Boomer.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 11, 2020 11:46 AM (ZGrMX)

241 Seems to be no venue yet for the Tulsa rally.

The logical place would be the BOk Center; it's the largest arena in town. However, I fear that the mayor would be cowed by the prospect of BLM moving in.

Next best would be the Mabee Center at Oral Roberts University. It's going to be too hot to have it outdoors.

I have yet to find any information. I feel that PDT caught our local officials unaware, which would indicate staff screw-ups at both City Hall and in the White House.

Hope they can pull this off. I might even go.

Posted by: Weak Geek at June 11, 2020 11:47 AM (Apbdw)

242 233 > I heard that Blackmail Matters is now demanding that M and M remove the green ones from every bag sold.

People make fun of that rider in the Van Halen contract, but supposedly it was there for a reason. If they arrived at the venue and didn't see the bowls of M&Ms with the green ones removed, they could tell instantly that the venue hadn't read the contract carefully, which means that they might also have not read the part about what kind of electrical system needed to be there to support the show without catching on fire, or the part about how much weight the stage had to be constructed to hold so as not to collapse and kill the band, and...

At the time, their show was massive, and a lot of venues just didn't have the physical infrastructure to put handle it safely.

It's a lot easier to look at a bowl of M&Ms than it is to send an engineer under the stage to verify its maximum working load.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia (kneels to no one on this Earth) at June 11, 2020 11:46 AM (hKLpI)

I did not know that. That is supercool.

Posted by: m at June 11, 2020 11:47 AM (Ij+4T)

243 222 You guys don't get to complain about overly zealous police. Sorry. You have always sided on "law and order" over civil rights and you can't change that tune now."

oh Seattle Slug, look at you. I've been a civil libertarian proponent since before you knew what the term meant, and that has included some face to face conversations with some officers. I'm also a free speech absolutist, which I'm sure would horrify you.

btw, I don't think I've seen you stick your head up here since you were all into "MILLIONS ARE GOING TO DIE BECAUSE YOU DON'T LISTEN! THE CORONAVIRUS IS COMING, THE VIRUS IS COMING, WE"RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!"

remember that? Well, it was a long time ago, like maybe 4 weeks. Good times, good times.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 11, 2020 11:47 AM (Kpl3J)

244 Longstreet was one of the best confederate generals, but generally hated by Lost Cause writers after the war.

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Sumbitch became a Republican. So there he is: the great white Republican Confederate.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 11, 2020 11:48 AM (+y/Ru)

245 Annnnnd they're off!

@NBCNews 42s

President Trump's planned rally in Tulsa - a city with its own troubling history on race, where a once-thriving African American business community was decimated by a racist white mob in 1921 - will take place on Juneteenth.

Posted by: Tami at June 11, 2020 11:48 AM (cF8AT)

246 229 Sarah Mucha CNN@sarahmucha

On @colbertlateshow, @StaceyAbrams says she has not received any calls about being vetted as @JoeBiden's running mate. "I have said many times that if called I will answer, but I've not received any calls."

I picture Stacey as the girl sitting by the phone waiting for the boy she likes to call and ask her to the prom. And she's demolishing a gallon of ice cream while she's waiting.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&&V at June 11, 2020 11:48 AM (HabA/)

247 > Most of the world's unregistered firearms are here in the US.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

> And we scratch our heads and wonder why our gun homicide rate is exponentially higher than any other country in the world.

Only if you don't count being murdered by your own government.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia (kneels to no one on this Earth) at June 11, 2020 11:48 AM (hKLpI)

248 And we scratch our heads and wonder why our gun
homicide rate is exponentially higher than any other country in the
world. It's guns. Hundreds of millions of unregistered guns.

Posted by: Seattle Slough at June 11, 2020 11:43 AM (IJG6N)

This is laughably wrong. You are stupid. And trotting out fake stats around here will get you destroyed. But I am going to ban you first, because your lies cross the line.

Trolling is okay when done right. You are too stupid to manage that!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 11, 2020 11:48 AM (dLLD6)

249 Why would anyone celebrate that? The Emancipation Proclamation freed no one. It had no legal power in the Confederacy and Lincoln deliberately left out slaves in the Northern states from his supposed emancipation.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner

It was the first step in a hundred years' worth of steps that the Republicans, not the fucking evil, godless Democrat party, took to make our society better. Including five different Civil Rights Acts that Republicans voted for, an anti-KKK Act and the Thirteenth, Fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments to the Constitution.

Being from Arkansas, myself, I'm always willing to participate in good faith refightings of the War of Northern Aggression. But I will always love Lincoln for being the man who finally took on the country's biggest flaw.

Posted by: Sharkman at June 11, 2020 11:48 AM (/WAUs)

250 I'm a logical-thinker, and I cannot begin to understand the GWTW hate by the Progressives.
Posted by: Gref

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First, I think I see your problem. Second, what is actually frightening is that some set of executives believe Twitter is the voice of everyone, and must be obeyed.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 11, 2020 11:48 AM (kA3Cp)

251 It worked, and I don't understand why we got away from that.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 11, 2020 11:42 AM (Kpl3J)

I can tell you why they ditched it here. Because people in the suburbs liked the idea of cops living by them, yet going into the hood for work to crack some heads. Made 'em feel safer.

They never ever considered the cops would turn on them too. "Keep your hands on ten and two, keep it polite, and everything will be just fine". Sound familiar ?

Posted by: Ramblin' Man at June 11, 2020 11:48 AM (RATxy)

252 > And she's demolishing a gallon of ice cream while she's waiting.

With Stacey? You're gonna need a bigger gallon.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia (kneels to no one on this Earth) at June 11, 2020 11:49 AM (hKLpI)

253 There is a "CHAZanon" who is posting pictures on reddit from inside CHAZ. OK, that sounds dirty. . .

https://tinyurl.com/y8fkan8c

Posted by: Lizzy at June 11, 2020 11:49 AM (bDqIh)

254 @NBCNews 42s

President Trump's planned rally in Tulsa - a city with its own troubling history on race, where a once-thriving African American business community was decimated by a racist white mob in 1921 - will take place on Juneteenth.

So now Trump's responsible for things that happened in 1921?

Posted by: Ian S. at June 11, 2020 11:49 AM (ZGrMX)

255 234 Seattle Slug, you really should move to a country with no Second Amendment. If you are consistent in your beliefs.

That'll show us.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - Black Lives Matter is a terrorist organization at June 11, 2020 11:46 AM (WvQcX)

He doesn't have to go far; I understand that CHAZ is a Democrat Party utopia.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at June 11, 2020 11:49 AM (DTX3h)

256 This is my thought, not a quote from someone else:

"The quickest way to demilitarize the police is to be quick to call in the military whenever and wherever military force is needed to protect people and property."

The police would prefer that, I bet. No need for them to have training in military style tactics. No need for military grade weapons and gear. No need to pay for all that out of local police budgets. No need to build a reputation of the police as military-wannabes and bullies.

I think the police in Seattle did the smartest thing they could do when they pulled out of their East Precinct office and gave the streets around it over to the lunatic rioters. "This is what defunding/disbanding the police looks like. Deal with it." That's the message to the progressive and socialist idiots running the city.

The media continues to glamorize the lunatics in sheep's clothing. They celebrate their pretext of the day as if it's a worthy cause. They give too much credence to what they pretend to be, and downplay their actual objectives. The lunatics just get wilder and wilder and the progressives just follow them down the rabbit hole. And they call Trump crazy.

To progressives in Seattle and everywhere else: These lunatics are calling YOU racist. They're saying YOU have to disband the police who protect you, your families and your businesses. They want make YOU dance to their tune, and make YOU pay the piper. They want YOU to pay them to "keep the peace", rather than pay trained peacekeepers, the police. Are YOU going to give that to them? If you keep voting for the same progressive people and the same progressive policies, that's exactly what you'll be doing.

If the lunatics aren't being paid by Putin or China or Iran to put on these riots, they might as well be. It's exactly the type of thing Putin would love to see happen in the US. If he's not paying them, I bet he's laughing with glee at what he's getting for free. Trump was never in Russia's pocket. But these leftist lunatics have been all along.

Posted by: starboardhelm at June 11, 2020 11:49 AM (hOtJL)

257 246 Annnnnd they're off!

@NBCNews 42s

President Trump's planned rally in Tulsa - a city with its own troubling history on race, where a once-thriving African American business community was decimated by a racist white mob in 1921 - will take place on Juneteenth.
Posted by: Tami at June 11, 2020 11:48 AM (cF8AT)

Jesus.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&&V at June 11, 2020 11:49 AM (HabA/)

258 Only if you don't count being murdered by your own government.

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Generally communist governments come to power only after a bloody civil war. And then they generally manage to kill more people then the war did after they come to power.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 11, 2020 11:49 AM (WdocV)

259 248
> And we scratch our heads and wonder why our gun homicide rate is exponentially higher than any other country in the world.

Only if you don't count being murdered by your own government.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia (kneels to no one on this Earth) at June 11, 2020 11:48 AM (hKLpI)

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Weird that the murder rates in places like Bumfuck, Nebraska are so low while the murder rates in places like Chicago are so high.

It's probably just the guns.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at June 11, 2020 11:49 AM (LvTSG)

260 My recommendation is to get to know your local police. Most have a citizen ride along program. You may even like it enough to become an auxiliary and direct traffic at football games and art festivals.

Posted by: Grump928© at June 11, 2020 11:49 AM (a94gW)

261 254 There is a "CHAZanon" who is posting pictures on reddit from inside CHAZ. OK, that sounds dirty. . .

https://tinyurl.com/y8fkan8c
Posted by: Lizzy at June 11, 2020 11:49 AM (bDqIh)

Looks like you have to be on gab, and log in or sign up.

Posted by: m at June 11, 2020 11:50 AM (Ij+4T)

262 Damn that Trump and his time machine!

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 11, 2020 11:50 AM (1ISKN)

263 Have I ever told you how much I love polls shoved up my ass?

Posted by: lurking lurker at June 11, 2020 11:50 AM (CLteG)

264 Then again, we have the USS Jimmy Carter.
Posted by: Ian S.

It has BIG TEETH painted on the front......

Posted by: JT at June 11, 2020 11:50 AM (arJlL)

265 > Why would anyone celebrate that? The Emancipation Proclamation freed no one.

Given that the holiday commemorates its public reading after the Union Army had taken control of Texas, yeah, actually, it did.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia (kneels to no one on this Earth) at June 11, 2020 11:50 AM (hKLpI)

266 Posted by: Seattle Slough at June 11, 2020 11:43 AM (IJG6N)

You still scared of catching COVID in a park, shit-for-brains?

Posted by: spindrift at June 11, 2020 11:50 AM (Ialta)

267 >>>Most of the world's unregistered firearms are here in the US.

I could drive to 15th & Wingohocking in North Philly and come back with four guns in less than an hour. It's why the banning of guns will never work. You would be amazed at the black market in most blue cities.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at June 11, 2020 11:51 AM (bkUtD)

268 255 @NBCNews 42s

President Trump's planned rally in Tulsa - a city with its own troubling history on race, where a once-thriving African American business community was decimated by a racist white mob in 1921 - will take place on Juneteenth.

So now Trump's responsible for things that happened in 1921?
Posted by: Ian S. at June 11, 2020 11:49 AM (ZGrMX)

Of course. Blood guilt is a fluid and never ending thing. By this definition, the entirety of southern states shouldn't be allowed to vote anymore because racism.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 11, 2020 11:51 AM (biITN)

269 267 >>>Most of the world's unregistered firearms are here in the US.

I could drive to 15th & Wingohocking in North Philly and come back with four guns in less than an hour. It's why the banning of guns will never work. You would be amazed at the black market in most blue cities.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at June 11, 2020 11:51 AM (bkUtD)

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I have need of an RPG. In-laws.

Hook a brother up.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at June 11, 2020 11:51 AM (LvTSG)

270 I did not know that. That is supercool.

Posted by: m at June 11, 2020 11:47 AM (Ij+4T)

It was brown m&m's.

Posted by: BignJames at June 11, 2020 11:51 AM (X/Pw5)

271 So why do we have lots of unserious officers? That's not a smart-assed question...I'm serious.

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Let me shed some light.

My oldest boy's a small town cop. Applied to the local Large City Police Dept. Bright kid. Athletic. Eagle Scout. Already an MP in Guard with a lot of his LEO certs already in hand.

Made past his PT, psych and personality test. Passed his interviews with current officers. One last hurdle to clear. HR Review.

Not offered job.

However.... another candidate I personally know got in. 105 lbs black gal. Very passive personality. High school drop out. Single Mom. Struggled with testing.

Full time job with Metro PD.

You can draw your own conclusions.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 11, 2020 11:51 AM (8XRCm)

272 No, sorry, if he does that he's doing exactly what the DNC wants and Biden wins all 57 states.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 11, 2020 11:45 AM (ZGrMX)

What's the fucking point of being reelected if he's not going to do the job?

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at June 11, 2020 11:52 AM (CQ3Qb)

273 "Posted by: Seattle Slough"

Are you proud of your city these days!?

Posted by: Chris M at June 11, 2020 11:52 AM (eAZVt)

274 Obama could have had all those base names changed his first year in office.

I am not passionate about keeping the names, but I know it wont stop there, so we have to stand up for it right now.
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at June 11, 2020 11:39 AM (

This.
This bullshit about destroying any kind of historical or gravesite of confederate soldiers is just the beginning of the Taliban purge.
Lincoln was right, you cannot have a nation in which after a bloody conflict like the civil war, continuously punishes the other side , non personing half of the country while demanding loyalty and devotion to the country. 170 plus years later.

You all realize that Wisconsin rioters desecrated graves of confederate soldiers who died as POW at Camp Randall in Madison. The conditions at Camp Randall deteriorated to the point that many died of measles, etc. . One Union soldier described it as" dying like rotted sheep."

Today there are 150 marked confederate gravesites in a cemetery in Madison, and rioters defaced their headstones last week.

Camp Randall is now the area that the University of Wisconsin's football stadium is built and is known as "Camp Randall".

Posted by: Jen the original at June 11, 2020 11:52 AM (4lz+j)

275 The Emancipation Proclamation only freed slaves in Confederate controlled territory.

People really need to read the dang thing.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 11, 2020 11:52 AM (1ISKN)

276 the problem is not as much the militarization of police as it is overcriminalization. there is a secondary problem as to who we recruit as police; but I think that the bulk of these problems can be linked to democrat controlled polities. not all, but most.

Posted by: Grad School Fool at June 11, 2020 11:52 AM (Tia6s)

277 273 "Posted by: Seattle Slough"

Are you proud of your city these days!?
Posted by: Chris M at June 11, 2020 11:52 AM (eAZVt)

==========

Rumor is that he's the warlord's bottom bitch.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at June 11, 2020 11:53 AM (LvTSG)

278 >>>I have need of an RPG. In-laws.

I understand completely. *jots mailing address down*

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at June 11, 2020 11:53 AM (bkUtD)

279 > I could drive to 15th & Wingohocking in North Philly and come back with four guns in less than an hour.

For that matter, you can go on YouTube and learn how to make a slam-fire 12 gauge out of parts you can buy at Lowe's.

Not something I'd care to fire other than in desperate need, but it only needs to work once. Then you can get a better gun from the guy you ventilated.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia (kneels to no one on this Earth) at June 11, 2020 11:53 AM (hKLpI)

280 I think it's also a "law and regulation problem." When legislators and city councils have nothing better to do but make more rules for the rest of us, someone's got to enforce those edicts. I think one of the reasons why Texas is so free is that their legislature doesn't meet very often compared to other states.

Posted by: pookysgirl, armchair philosopher at June 11, 2020 11:53 AM (XKZwp)

281 @NBCNews 42s

President Trump's planned rally in Tulsa - a city with its own
troubling history on race, where a once-thriving African American
business community was decimated by a racist white mob in 1921 - will
take place on Juneteenth.

Posted by: Tami at June 11, 2020 11:48 AM (cF8AT)

They must really be terrified of Trump's black support. So they are going to pound the racist drum loudly till the election

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 11, 2020 11:53 AM (idLQk)

282 Weird that the murder rates in places like Bumfuck, Nebraska are so low while the murder rates in places like Chicago are so high.

It's probably just the guns.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at June 11, 2020 11:49

Weird that my hometown of Bumfuck, NE, has a whole bunch of open land, where a minimum effort to avoid observation yields a great number of possible disposal sites of unwanted items. Hypothetically.

Posted by: Downcast at June 11, 2020 11:54 AM (Wl8iI)

283 216 Question for the Horde:

What's with the readings from Mao recently?

Best to know your enemy?

Troll?

Lost soul?

I don't get it...
Posted by: browndog at June 11, 2020 11:42 AM (BgMrQ)

Dunno who's posting.

But Mao has good tactical and strategic advice. He's a successful revolutionary and those are rare.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Free WA, Buy Ammo at June 11, 2020 11:54 AM (ifmtJ)

284 > The Emancipation Proclamation only freed slaves in Confederate controlled territory.

Yeah, and Texas was Confederate controlled territory.

At first.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia (kneels to no one on this Earth) at June 11, 2020 11:54 AM (hKLpI)

285 It also has to do with the power of their Union.

Maybe people don't know this but there's MORE than just one police union.

There's a union for the Sargeants, the lieutenants, Captains on up if the department is large enough.

But most all of them have a basic union. Protecting them from the laws they demand that we obey, demanding higher and higher salaries with little performance improvement and of course legal assistance and the threat of a walk out over the firing of one of their own.

It's them vs us and they forget who pays their salary because they have a death grip on our wallet so they don't worry about that.

Posted by: jakee308 at June 11, 2020 11:54 AM (PGk6x)

286 I could drive to 15th & Wingohocking in North Philly and come back with four guns in less than an hour. It's why the banning of guns will never work. You would be amazed at the black market in most blue cities.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at June 11, 2020 11:51 AM (bkUtD)

They have a dozen Easy Andy's in every big city.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at June 11, 2020 11:54 AM (2DOZq)

287 "Ok, Boomer.
Posted by: Ian S. at June 11, 2020 11:46 AM (ZGrMX)"

You want to have a reasonable discussion? I'm fine with that. You want to throw pejoratives because your arguments are weak? Fuck yourself. I'll go there in a second. I ain't no boomer, asshole and I'm willing to show it.

Posted by: Hesco Gypsy, staring from 457 meters at June 11, 2020 11:54 AM (ShJ3E)

288 It's not a constant by any means. It's an outlier. An unfortunate one but still an outlier.

To 'throw the baby out with the bath water' comes to mind here.

We have no farther to look at the results of a pacified police force
than Seattle. The same situation people here are arguing that we should
get tough about and put an end to.

Send your ideal policeman to the 2x4 barricade and politely ask them to cease and desist.

I'll wait.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 11, 2020 11:46 AM (biITN)

It's not an outlier. Ask any cop if they know another cop that shouldn't have a badge and a gun. They all do. Then ask what they've done about it. Blank stares.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at June 11, 2020 11:54 AM (CQ3Qb)

289 The 13th Amendment abolished slavery in the US.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 11, 2020 11:54 AM (1ISKN)

290 275 The Emancipation Proclamation only freed slaves in Confederate controlled territory.

People really need to read the dang thing.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 11, 2020 11:52 AM (1ISKN)

=========

In terms of actual policy, it did little. In terms of politics, it did a lot.

It signaled that the end point of the war was going to be the end of slavery for the North. It was a concrete sea change from just union to union without slavery.

Yes, the 13th Amendment did the actual work, but it's not like the Emancipation Proclamation was nothing.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at June 11, 2020 11:54 AM (LvTSG)

291 And she's demolishing a gallon of ice cream while she's waiting.

With Stacey? You're gonna need a bigger gallon.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia (kneels to no one on this Earth)

A cement truck of ice cream.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 11, 2020 11:54 AM (+y/Ru)

292 266 Posted by: Seattle Slough at June 11, 2020 11:43 AM (IJG6N)

You still scared of catching COVID in a park, shit-for-brains?
Posted by: spindrift at June 11, 2020 11:50 AM (Ialta)

S. Slug should go to New York, where new guidance says he can safely go back to his favorite glory hole clubs.

I noticed how butt hurt SS is about gun control - that is one of the few truly amusing takeaway's from the last couple of weeks, Gun Control is dead! Look at how many people who previously sympathized with the idea are out buying guns. When the left said "Abolish the Police!!" they didn't realize they were also saying "Arm up, everybody! You got nobody but yourselves now!!!"

congrats, SS! Your people just killed your favorite little pet hobbyhorse!

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 11, 2020 11:55 AM (Kpl3J)

293 And we scratch our heads and wonder why our gun
homicide rate is exponentially higher than any other country in the
world. It's guns. Hundreds of millions of unregistered guns.

Posted by: Seattle Slough at June 11, 2020 11:43 AM (IJG6N)

-------

Remove gang killings of Detroit, LA, Atlanta, and Chicago. Top four gang killing cities in the US.

Our murder rate..... with guns, puts us on better footing than any other European countries murder rate that dont have guns.

But.... you still think we're all gonna die from COVID still.... right?

Posted by: fixerupper at June 11, 2020 11:55 AM (8XRCm)

294 I've never seen a cop block traffic for a cup of coffee, but have seen them block traffic for routine traffic stops (speeding, etc.). It's stupid and dangerous; they'd be safer having the guy pull to a side street to handle up on business.

Posted by: FriscoJim at June 11, 2020 11:55 AM (+56GQ)

295 >>On @colbertlateshow, @StaceyAbrams says she has not received any calls about being vetted as @JoeBiden's running mate. "I have said many times that if called I will answer, but I've not received any calls."

Oh, is that how it works? OK, let me give this a try.

*clears throat*

If called by Tillamook Dairies to be a paid taste-tester for their ice cream and cheeses I will answer!

Posted by: Lizzy at June 11, 2020 11:55 AM (bDqIh)

296 I could drive to 15th Wingohocking in North
Philly and come back with four guns in less than an hour.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at June 11, 2020 11:51 AM (bkUtD)

Think I could find a Belgian Hi-Power in excellent condition?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 11, 2020 11:55 AM (dLLD6)

297 I've been disappointed as well. I don't care if it's
blue shitholes, there are real and good Americans being harmed here who
deserve to be protected.

I'm still disgusted that he and Barr
didn't immediately arrest, prosecute, and imprison sanctuary state
governors, sanctuary city mayors and others for violating federal law.
That would have set a powerful example (let alone dragging their feet on
the unindicted coup-conspirators).
And don't even get me started on
his being duped from Day One by Fauci and the rest ... [doesn't mean I
won't crawl over broken glass to support him and be willing to give my
life to defend him if need be]. Dude is neither perfect nor a God.

Posted by: ShainS -- No more half measures, Donald at June 11, 2020 11:42 AM (WqPYg)

ShainS... they are working through the process of stopping sanctuary cities and Trump smartened up on the COVID issue once he realized she was being lied to.

As for the current violence in the streets, I live in a blue city that has had riots for two weeks now. As much as I want to see the toerags burning my city down destroyed with extreme prejudice, the President has to give Governors the chance to do the right thing. We live in a Republic and states have the police powers.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at June 11, 2020 11:55 AM (nAiE/)

298 I have need of an RPG. In-laws.

If you wait by the river long enough, the bodies of your in-laws will float by. -Sun-Tzu's family counseling service.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - fighting with a dying hard drive at June 11, 2020 11:55 AM (SchxB)

299 >>However.... another candidate I personally know got in. 105 lbs black gal. Very passive personality. High school drop out. Single Mom. Struggled with testing.

>Full time job with Metro PD.

>You can draw your own conclusions.

Affirmative.

Posted by: garrett at June 11, 2020 11:55 AM (HkWLV)

300 >>>However.... another candidate I personally know got in. 105 lbs black gal. Very passive personality. High school drop out. Single Mom. Struggled with testing.

There was a small black female in my recruit class. Not very bright, and not very social, but she passed most of the classes. It came to firearms training, and she was too skinny to rack the slide of a Glock pistol.

They city tried to push her through, but she literally could not rack the slide. Eventually got bounced.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at June 11, 2020 11:55 AM (bkUtD)

301 Careful you guys. Seattle Slug has a carefully thought out narrative. You might unbalance his gyroscopically stabilized ignorance.

Posted by: Xipe Totec-Death to AntiFa! at June 11, 2020 11:56 AM (o2MD2)

302 I am surprised that our provincial rube still has internet service in the SPAZ.

Posted by: Grump928© at June 11, 2020 11:56 AM (a94gW)

303 So is there any rally that Trump could hold in OKC that wouldn't be the city where a horrible race riot broke out in 1921?

Also, isn't any event in OKC an event in the same city that had a horrible race riot in 1921?

These people and their semi-facts are just tiresome.

Posted by: Axeman at June 11, 2020 11:56 AM (Eicbe)

304 275 The Emancipation Proclamation only freed slaves in Confederate controlled territory.

People really need to read the dang thing.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 11, 2020 11:52 AM (1ISKN)

It was a weak law but a mighty act.

With it, Lincoln touched the evil directly.

It was also a bet, of sorts. In order to free the slaves, the Union had to take Confed territory.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Free WA, Buy Ammo at June 11, 2020 11:56 AM (ifmtJ)

305 What's the fucking point of being reelected if he's not going to do the job?

He *is* doing the job. The job includes not being purely reactionary and having an actual strategy. He's doing a brilliant job of turning the spotlight on what happens when you pay no attention to local races and the Soros candidates win.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 11, 2020 11:57 AM (ZGrMX)

306 NOOD NR moves further left

Posted by: clutch cargo at June 11, 2020 11:57 AM (8B6Ng)

307 It made it look like slaves were happy.

For we all know that slavery was always like the most horrific parts of 12 Years a Slave.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at June 11, 2020 11:42 AM (LvTSG)

Yes, it did make them look happy. I first watched when I was 27. I had learned enough in school and from my reading to know that slavery was not a happy experience. I was able to look behind the curtain of the movie. Seems to me a fair-minded film maker (yeah, I'm dreaming) could make a 30-minute explainer about Old South slavery and why the house slaves in GWTW are portrayed as they are, to be shown before GWTW, for context.

I'm assuming that today's youths are open-minded and smart enough to understand. Probably a really bad assumption.

Posted by: Gref at June 11, 2020 11:57 AM (AMIL/)

308 >>I've never seen a cop block traffic for a cup of coffee

Do you live in a city where there is a double parking issue?

Because Cops did that shit all the time in NYC.

Posted by: garrett at June 11, 2020 11:57 AM (HkWLV)

309 >>>Think I could find a Belgian Hi-Power in excellent condition?

Possibly, but it'll likely reek of weed.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at June 11, 2020 11:57 AM (bkUtD)

310 222 You guys don't get to complain about overly zealous police.

Actually I can complain about whatever I damn will please. Silly boy.

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at June 11, 2020 11:57 AM (MVR7y)

311 I'd like to add to my earlier comment that I've also had a couple of positive experiences after having been stopped. That's only been a handful of times, as I just tuned 29 last year. Heh. I guess it's like anything else - you get some bad with the good.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at June 11, 2020 11:57 AM (EgshT)

312 These people and their semi-facts are just tiresome.
Posted by: Axeman at June 11, 2020 11:56 AM (Eicbe)

I think basically what they are saying is that Trump's base is a bunch of racist MAGA assholes and any attempt by him to get re-elected is racist and shut up, they explained.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 11, 2020 11:58 AM (biITN)

313 214 and know what? That speeding thing? Well, they have scraped plenty of
people up from the pavement who thought speeding or drunk driving was a
minor infraction.

***

Oh come on, those two things are very much not alike.

What percentage of the population exceeds the posted speed limits? My memory is the data says 95%.

So the speed limits are bullshit and should be uniformly raised.

Hell, the highways were generally designed for safe travel at 75MPH with 1950s era cars. There is no credible argument for a 65 or 55MPH speed limit on a flat, straight stretch of highway.
Posted by: 18-1 at June 11, 2020 11:42 AM (WdocV)

So, we have an expressway/parkway that cuts through an Olmsted Park; done in the 50's I believe. There has been a effort over the years to turn this expressway into a city street, reclaiming the Olmsted vision.

It connects an arterial interstate (I-190) to a major expressway (rt33) on the other side of the city.

Anyway, a narcoleptic person had an episode while driving, jumped the curb and killed a young child in the park.

This is the first fatal accident of any kind at this particular location.

Our good governor, never missing an opportunity to improve his credentials with the local tree huggers, came in and had the DOT lower the speed limit to 30 mph (from 55mph) THE NEXT DAY.

Nobody goes 30mph on a road designed to accommodate 55mph. Though the city and the state police do set up lucrative speed traps now and again.

My point being, speed limits are arbitrary in the extreme. People will drive at the appropriate speed for the road in question, and a few asshoes will drive at an unsafe speed. Always have, always will...

Posted by: browndog at June 11, 2020 11:58 AM (BgMrQ)

314 Careful you guys. Seattle Slug has a carefully thought out narrative. You might unbalance his gyroscopically stabilized ignorance.
Posted by: Xipe Totec-Death to AntiFa! at June 11, 2020 11:56 AM (o2MD2)
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Well, he starts out with the stupid idea that being pro-police is some irreversible Deal with the Devil, and proceeds from there.

Posted by: Axeman at June 11, 2020 11:58 AM (Eicbe)

315 I could drive to 15th Wingohocking in North
Philly and come back with four guns in less than an hour.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at June 11, 2020 11:51 AM (bkUtD)

Think I could find a Belgian Hi-Power in excellent condition?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

Hi Point.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 11, 2020 11:58 AM (eii2u)

316 >>If you consider being 8 pts down to Biden and having approval ratings slide 10 pts "well used."

Trolling for Pole, this guy.

Patience. Go back to the Gloryhole and wait, like your mother.

Posted by: garrett at June 11, 2020 11:58 AM (HkWLV)

317 Who has the list of outrageous outrages that the media has pushed every election year that a republican has been president?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Imagine a racist, aggressive HOA with weapons, with the power to take your kids at June 11, 2020 11:59 AM (L5Z0V)

318 @NBCNews 42s

President Trump's planned rally in Tulsa - a city with its own troubling history on race, where a once-thriving African American business community was decimated by a racist white mob in 1921 - will take place on Juneteenth.

Posted by: Tami

Trump should take this opportunity to mention that the KKK was a big part of the destruction of Tulsa's black business community, and that they'd been emboldened to do so by the Democrat Party's 1920 Convention, which was called the "Klan Bake", because the Klan were welcome participants at that Convention, and even showed up in their robes.

Posted by: Sharkman at June 11, 2020 11:59 AM (/WAUs)

319 You want to have a reasonable discussion? I'm fine with that. You want to throw pejoratives because your arguments are weak? Fuck yourself. I'll go there in a second. I ain't no boomer, asshole and I'm willing to show it.

The thing I love most about the HQ is the free-wheeling debate.

You are literally advocating *exactly* what the MFM/DNC wants: overwhelming use of force against black people that they can film and replay for the next 500 years. Being the strong man sometimes means *not* using physical force.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 11, 2020 11:59 AM (ZGrMX)

320 Because Cops did that shit all the time in NYC.
Posted by: garrett at June 11, 2020 11:57 AM (HkWLV)

My favorite small town cop story was the one in my home town that would consistently get drunk at the corner bar, then pull his "I got a badge" routine whenever he started shit with somebody and started getting it back.

Oh yeah. He made retirement.

Posted by: Ramblin' Man at June 11, 2020 11:59 AM (RATxy)

321 Dunno who's posting.

But Mao has good tactical and strategic advice. He's a successful revolutionary and those are rare.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Free WA, Buy Ammo at June 11, 2020 11:54 AM (ifmtJ)

I also don't know who is posting these, but I think the aim is for us to draw parallels between what Antifa is doing and Maoist thinking.

Posted by: AOC at June 11, 2020 12:00 PM (sB4Dp)

322 It's been obvious for quite some time that the Left is DEATHLY afraid of Trump holding rallies again and they'll do ANYTHING--including resurrecting Coronavirus to stop them

Posted by: JoeF. at June 11, 2020 12:00 PM (CqE5x)

323 Still NOOD

Posted by: clutch cargo at June 11, 2020 12:00 PM (8B6Ng)

324 President Trump's planned rally in Tulsa - a city with its own troubling history on race, where a once-thriving African American business community was decimated by a racist white mob in 1921 - will take place on Juneteenth.

So now Trump's responsible for things that happened in 1921?
Posted by: Ian S. at June 11, 2020 11:49 AM (ZGrMX)

Antifa-stanian mobs are mostly white, and are decimating thriving African American communities in 2020. I blame whoever is president 99 years from now.

Posted by: starboardhelm at June 11, 2020 12:00 PM (hOtJL)

325 As we have been saying often recently, the creation and allowance of Government Employee Unions of any kind was one of the greatest governing mistakes of the 20th century. The problem is that the concept of Unions depends on an adversarial paradigm; you have workers that want to increase pay and benefits, corporate leaders who want to maximize profit and efficiency. They were supposed to negotiate to find a point in the middle.

With Government Unions, there is NO adversarial posture - you have Employees who want to maximize pay and benefits, and Management who wants to find a way to maximize political contributions while having a good excuse for spending more and more of their constituents money. The taxpayers who actually pay for it all and have to live with the consequences have no say at all, they're just what is on the table for dinner.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 11, 2020 12:00 PM (Kpl3J)

326 >>Tulsa - a city with its own troubling history on race, where a once-thriving African American business community was decimated by a racist white mob in 1921 -

100 Years ago...and these people let murderers walk after serving 5-7 years.

Posted by: garrett at June 11, 2020 12:01 PM (HkWLV)

327 Trump should take this opportunity to mention that the KKK was a big part of the destruction of Tulsa's black business community, and that they'd been emboldened to do so by the Democrat Party's 1920 Convention, which was called the "Klan Bake", because the Klan were welcome participants at that Convention, and even showed up in their robes.
Posted by: Sharkman at June 11, 2020 11:59 AM (/WAU

Isn't this the convention where FDR was named the Vice Presidential candidate?

Posted by: JoeF. at June 11, 2020 12:01 PM (CqE5x)

328 Here's a cop story for you:

I hired a contractor to come in and paint the vast majority of my house interior. So, while they were doing that, I had to find something else to do. I decided to head to the Barnes and Nobles, grab a nice biography and some coffee. I sat in my vehicle in front of the book store reading, sipping and enjoying the air conditioning.

Not 1 hour later, four (4) patrol cars come flying into the parking lot from different angles and proceed to come to a screeching halt at all corners of my car. Then I get the waddle, side ways head cocked approach from the most senior of the 6 (yes there were six cops) cops who comes up to my now open driver's side window and just looks at me for a second.

I, of course, used the usual line. "Is there a problem officer?"

He told me someone in the shopping mall called and said there was a man sitting out in his car, and they had concerns that it was not safe.

I filled him on why I was there, and that I wasn't a threat to anyone, while four other cops started circling my car checking for violations as well as looking in the windows at anything they could see inside...(which btw was neatly stacked gear I used at the time for Crisis Investigations related to major disasters ...I was a point man for Lloyds OF London in the US at the time). This included hard hats, laser measurement devices, clipboards, recording devices for statements and a whole slew of forms etc.

Another cop comes up to the window and says, "What's that stuff in the back?" To which I replied, "Work gear." He responded by asking if he could see it. I responded, now a little miffed. "No, there's no reason."

I asked again. "Is there a problem?"

To this I was informed that I had to leave. Normally, had a single cop showed up and politely just checked things out without trying to intimidate me I would have probably moved on. But, at this point I was annoyed. So I told him I would only move on if they could provide a valid legal reason within their authority that supported their position. I, also, pointed out that I was on private property, not breaking any laws, and (holding up the book and the coffee cup) an invitee customer of the property owners. I, also, pointed out that my properly registered and insured vehicle was legally parked while all four of the police cruisers were not.

The senior cop started shaking his head and here's the quote: "No reason to be an asshole about this. Just move on."

I couldn't resist, because (in honesty I AM a bit of an asshole). I said, "I agree...you guys have no reason to be assholes, yet you are proving otherwise." I held up the book again (which was a biography on Thomas Jefferson)... "To which this guy would fully agree."

I got a head shake, and they all just pulled out. No apology, no ultimatum, nothing. Of course, on the way home about two hours later I saw 3 or four cruisers that I don't normally see in that area....as if I was being followed. Imagine that.

So yeah, there's a problem, and not just in the major city area.

Posted by: Orson at June 11, 2020 12:01 PM (FHCCu)

329 Law enforcement around Charlotte had SO MANY speed traps right now since the COVID-19s cut into their regular speed enforcement requirements.

I wonder how many black men are being pulled over and charged with crimes (or worse) because of the unintended #OrangeManBad consequences of the shutdown.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Imagine a racist, aggressive HOA with weapons, with the power to take your kids at June 11, 2020 12:02 PM (L5Z0V)

330 But Mao has good tactical and strategic advice. He's a successful revolutionary and those are rare.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Free WA, Buy Ammo at June 11, 2020 11:54 AM (ifmtJ)

I also don't know who is posting these, but I think the aim is for us to draw parallels between what Antifa is doing and Maoist thinking.
Posted by: AOC at June 11, 2020 12:00 PM (sB4Dp)

mao plagiarized everything he ever wrote from Sun Tzu, except for the commie claptrap and little nuggets like "Power flows from the barrel of a gun".

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 11, 2020 12:02 PM (Kpl3J)

331 CBD. The part about military hardware. I agree about the MRAPs and other armored vehicles but using personal armor, M4's and other military weapons to bring down perps that have the same type of weapons is perfectly fine with me.

As far run-ins with the cops myself, if I don't start anything then more than likely they won't either. Maybe it's just the area In live. I have yet to be pulled over by a cop that didn't treat me as a fellow citizen.

As far as tickets, parking or otherwise, that's up to lawmakers and city councils. Cops don't make those rule. But yet they're required to enforce them. You want that changed? Then vote for different lawmakers and city councilmen.

Posted by: Sooner - White blue-eyed debil at June 11, 2020 12:02 PM (Fs5vw)

332 Posted by: fixerupper at June 11, 2020 11:51 AM (8XRCm)

105 pound girl? Ya know, arresting someone 'uncooperative' is part of the job. A part she is unlikely to be able to do on her own.

Just like Meal Team 6 couldn't catch up to anyone moving at a brisk walk.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 11, 2020 12:02 PM (Jdw1U)

333 @18-1 11:36

Nice list. I love the first 3. I think #4 need a longer term like 20-50 years and should include regulations and I would expand #5 to municipalities. When you fine someone, it should go to the victim, not the state. It should focus on restitution, not a stupidity tax.

Posted by: squid_hunt at June 11, 2020 12:03 PM (B0mGw)

334 Posted by: ShainS -- No more half measures, Donald at June 11, 2020 11:42 AM (WqPYg)

Absolutely not. Those cities and states are responsible for themselves. They are displaying their own incompetence.

The Left would like nothing more than Federal troops moving in so they can scream about Trump the military dictator.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&&V at June 11, 2020 12:04 PM (HabA/)

335 The one constant is criminals being criminals. They don't change and they are becoming less and less concerned about your well being.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 11, 2020 11:35 AM (biITN)
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Cops do not put themselves between me and bad guys. They try to catch bad guys after they've drawn the chalk outline.

The courts have made it very clear that police officers have no duty to protect.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at June 11, 2020 12:05 PM (5pybm)

336 So is there any rally that Trump could hold in OKC that wouldn't be the city where a horrible race riot broke out in 1921?

Also, isn't any event in OKC an event in the same city that had a horrible race riot in 1921?

These people and their semi-facts are just tiresome.

Posted by: Axeman at June 11, 2020 11:56 AM (Eicbe)

Are there any large cities where there have not been race riots?

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at June 11, 2020 12:08 PM (nAiE/)

337 Actually, our homicide rate is quite comparable to those of the EU once you remove the stats of the minorities and other immigrants that live here.

Want to see some high homicide rates just look up those countries they came from or are predominantly of the same ethnic racial makeup.

This country does quite well comparably with others because first off we're larger, we have a larger foreign born population, and our culture is not homogeneous as to race or ethnicity as other countries being compared with us.

The Left/gun grabbers always do this to make the us seem like a violent place comparably.

Just as they do with their misleading stats on suicide rates.

Posted by: jakee308 at June 11, 2020 12:09 PM (PGk6x)

338 Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Free WA, Buy Ammo at June 11, 2020 11:56 AM (ifmtJ)

Mark, you've got email

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 11, 2020 12:09 PM (gRg2Y)

339 @starboardhelm 11:49
"No need for them to have training in military style tactics. No need for military grade weapons and gear. No need to pay for all that out of local police budgets."

This all presupposes that police and municipalities are just babes in the woods with no personal volition and all this military training requirements and bloated budgets "just happened" to them.

Posted by: squid_hunt at June 11, 2020 12:09 PM (B0mGw)

340 Mongo just pawn in game of life.

Posted by: klaftern at June 11, 2020 12:11 PM (RuIsu)

341 Trust in Chicago, a new 42-unit luxury condominium building on Chicago's Near West Side. is being built. So I guess the skyscrapers will still be built in the big cities for some reason that escapes me.

Posted by: Colin at June 11, 2020 12:13 PM (UF8gN)

342 And not choosing, to steal from Rush, is still a choice.
Posted by: Ramblin' Man at June 11, 2020 11:15 AM (RATxy)

*ahem*

Posted by: Jean-Paul Sartre at June 11, 2020 12:21 PM (YqED9)

343 The more I read the writings on this blogosphere the more amazed I become.

The most deepest thoughts I have held about the police are right here in this article in all their glory.

As Mark Levin has said often, the best government for the people is still a soft tyranny. A civil society however can see the reasoning behind it all and support it.

But this is not what we have anymore. We are living in a post constitutional nation. And I do not see anything that will improve our situation.

Posted by: Iotbw at June 11, 2020 12:23 PM (1VnAb)

344 As to the trend towards military style policing: I've seen it evolve in game wardens since I was a kid. The guy that taught my Hunter Safety course when I was 11 years old in the mid 60s was an unforgiving hard ass when teaching safe gun handling but later when we ran into him while hunting he was always polite, checked our licenses but seemed more interested in the wildlife we'd seen than us. He was usually dressed in hunting clothes are something like a boy scout uniform. If he carried a service sidearm, I never noticed it. Today gamewardens wear body armour and look like they are patrolling Anwar province.

Posted by: Cosda at June 11, 2020 12:30 PM (yvDyL)

345 Today gamewardens wear body armour and look like they are patrolling Anwar province.

this is very very accurate Cosda and to make things worse, they don't seem all that knowledgable about nature anymore either

Posted by: SorryBlackOrchid at June 11, 2020 12:33 PM (j9HX3)

346 Are my posts being deleted?
Weird to see people responding to a post that has been deleted, no?

Either way, Papa Soros pays me for responses not for comments. So I'm getting that Soros cash either way.

Thanks!

Posted by: Seattle Slough at June 11, 2020 01:29 PM (IJG6N)

347 Test

Posted by: Biff at June 11, 2020 01:35 PM (d47tD)

348 "...alienated some of law-enforcement's most ardent supporters...conservatives!

I wrote this recently to a frien ..."
Couldn't agree more. Yesterday I tried to say the same thing on another site. I am tired of listening to police and their fans whine about how unappreciated they are for doing such a dangerous job. For one thing, according to the US gov't., policing doesn't even make it to the top ten most dangerous jobs. Secondly, the police contribute to their own danger by demanding absolute and immediate submission and abasement of "suspects" in their encounters.

Posted by: timactual at June 11, 2020 02:11 PM (pPXFf)

349 I don't know if others have said this, but my proposals for police reform:- Demilitarize them.- Restore the Peace Officer mindset- Eliminate qulaified immunity (hold them responsible for misdeeds)- Eliminate civil asset forfeiture

Posted by: butch at June 11, 2020 02:25 PM (hXu8T)

350 Having sued cops for their misconduct you'd think I'd be hardcore anti-cop, but I'm not.

People seem to have trouble with the concept that police are violent. It's all they are. The "state" has been defined by people much smarter than all of us as that which holds a monopoly on legitimate violence. It's not that we allow the police o be violent. The police is how the state utilizes it's monopoly on legitimate violence against it's citizen.

The idea that we don't need police is laughable.

One need only look at the cocaine business to see what happens when you don't have courts and the police to address disputes. No police turns everything into a gray market. And disputes have to be solved personally.

As a lawyer I've had, on occasion, needed to utilize a sheriff's deputy to serve someone, or even take something that a court determined did not belong to them. Better let the police handle it because physical seizure is violence and safer for all if I let an LEO do it.

But I'm surprised you guys aren't champing at the bit to take advantage of this movement. I personally think it's a ridiculously bad idea, but defund the cops in which case my seizure problem simply becomes an opportunity for some private contractor to do it for me. What is a repo man but private police? What is a security guard, or body guard but private police?

Let the cities rot and let my town hire a private entity to enforce laws in line with my community.

I'm no longer paying to police ungrateful urban cretins and I can have policing in my town consistent with my needs.

No chance of corruption there, right?

Either way, It's bizarre to me I had two posts seemingly deleted here (which I don't believe has ever happened over years and hundreds of comments) in a topic where I'm further right than I am on any topic.

Michael Brown essentially committed suicide by cop.
Trayvon Martin picked a fist fight with an armed asshole. I see how the media is happy to use these tragedies to generate clicks.

I see these events for what they are and I don't trust the media to give me a solid understanding of how big an issue this is. I realize cops make mistakes. There are bad cops, there are evil cops. But there are evil teachers and evil nurses and we don't make it national news when something bad happens there.

But I think everyone should agree that what we really need are better cops. Better people. Less hot-headed people. Less hateful people. The standards over who can be a cop should be the highest standards we have.

But that takes a better candidate and all this anti-cop, defund the police stuff is not making that seem likely. We need to hire better people and people need to realize that we are hiring people to be the pointy end of the law and to act accordingly.

Posted by: Seattle Slough at June 11, 2020 02:49 PM (IJG6N)

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