NYU Business Professor: Covid Has Begun a Long-Overdue Collapse of the American Education System, and They Deserve Everything They're Going to Get

Two videos of him, below, making the same basic points. He's on shows hosted by people you wil not like (Amanapour, Cooper), but he's worth listening to.

His basic notion is this:

American education has long been absurdly overpriced. He notes this is the only industry in America which has yet to face significant pressures to cost-cut.

He says that parents are getting to see what their $76,000 per year is buying them-- because now they can see the witless profs lecturing to their kids on the Zoom sessions they have online.

And parents are thinking: "This is worthless. I am spending $300,000 for something absolutely worthless."

Not just worthless -- in addition to the debt, there are four years (at least) of lost wages and lost experience to consider.

He also notes that many students -- maybe the most in recent history -- will decide to skil college next year, because college might not even be all the way open. Many will take "a gap year."

This will cause many colleges to go bankrupt.

The top tier schools, he notes, will be fine, because 1, they're sittting on billions of dollars in endowments (which he thinks should be taxed -- and so do I) and 2, because they have long, long wait lists, and they can grab up as many just-as-good-as-our-first-pick students as are needed.

Second tier schools will have to dig down deeper into the wait lists and will have to admit students that would not be considered qualified in normal years, but most of them will be fine. (Most.)

But third tier schools do not have waiting lists, and all the students that would have gone to them will be going to second tier schools.

They will go bankrupt. He says that education will face what every other industry has faced, a bunch of weak concerns going bankrupt and pressure to cost-cut for the rest.

Some second tier schools will go bankrupt or at least will be forced into drastic changes: specifically, second-rate schools that charge very high tuition.

And I know America has a lot of those. The high tuition doesn't seem to be justified except to exclude less wealthy students from a school that isn't really exclusive in any way except for having an exclusive pricetag.


Jonah Goldberg's beloved alma mater Goucher College might soon see its final few semesters.


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1 First?

Posted by: Someguy at June 04, 2020 06:56 PM (Zm+LZ)

2 Well it's about time we had some good news.

Posted by: Someguy at June 04, 2020 06:58 PM (Zm+LZ)

3 Couple this with the limiting of foreign students entering...

Posted by: gdgm+ at June 04, 2020 06:58 PM (ExnWy)

4 Oberlin delenda est

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 04, 2020 06:58 PM (EXmaI)

5 It seems a little bit "icky" to look for silver linings in the whole Wuhan Coronavirus thing. But I think that there will be a few good things to come from it.

Posted by: Murrican Ninja War Eeyore at June 04, 2020 06:59 PM (xptlg)

6 And they're going to go to the Republican legislatures for bailouts

And if they don't cave, it's cause they are against education

Posted by: RoyalOil at June 04, 2020 06:59 PM (aO8Gd)

7 You want destruction?


Let's fuggin gooooo.

Posted by: National Divorce at June 04, 2020 07:00 PM (SJDa9)

8 https://bit.ly/30924wl
*********

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
I thought this letter from respected retired Marine and Super Star lawyer, John Dowd, would be of interest to the American People. Read it!
******
About Mad Chihuahua Mattis

Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at June 04, 2020 07:00 PM (+ypKa)

9 Amen, praise God and pass the ammunition.

Posted by: bete at June 04, 2020 07:00 PM (Ojki1)

10 Are most schools second rate?

Posted by: Bruce at June 04, 2020 07:00 PM (vd8XM)

11 Also called "new thread" below.

Posted by: gdgm+ at June 04, 2020 07:00 PM (ExnWy)

12

If the colleges collapse where will kids be able to get a degree in Martian Lesbian Poetry from?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 04, 2020 07:00 PM (+E3TQ)

13 Goucher? They were all female when I was in undergrad (same conference). Wonder if attended before or after the went coed?

Posted by: Legion of boom at June 04, 2020 07:00 PM (F4Va/)

14 Giant-sized LOLGF

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at June 04, 2020 07:00 PM (KnJdm)

15 learn to code, MFers

Posted by: Retard Strength Trumps Smart Power at June 04, 2020 07:01 PM (RKQ/v)

16 My son said roughly the same thing. "Why are we paying all this money for online classes?" He hated the Zoom meetings and hated coming home after the country surrendered to the Wuhan Clan.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at June 04, 2020 07:01 PM (AFSld)

17
Crowder's show starts at 8pm.
Tim "It's Complicated, Man" Pool will be a guest.

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at June 04, 2020 07:01 PM (FaJmP)

18
Cliff notes on the letter?

Does it say that Mattis gave himself that stupid name?

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at June 04, 2020 07:02 PM (FaJmP)

19 Yeah, the sheer ludicrous cost for a college degree is primarily what's going to destroy the college system.

To think, I paid 10k all in for a degree from CUNY school in the late 80's.

300k for a degree that you can leverage into a barrista job and paying a thousand a month for a share of an apartment with three other dudes is no way to go through life.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 04, 2020 07:02 PM (wky+v)

20 What will happen to Ewok U.'s often-mentioned Shelving Studies Program?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 04, 2020 07:02 PM (DMUuz)

21 And if they don't cave, it's cause they are against education
Posted by: RoyalOil at June 04, 2020 06:59 PM (aO8Gd)

Yep. "You're anti-intellectual". Which you know, given some of these supposed smart people and what many of them produce and how they run their little fiefdoms, maybe now I am.

Posted by: bete at June 04, 2020 07:02 PM (Ojki1)

22 Daughter said the same thing. What am I paying for?

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at June 04, 2020 07:02 PM (YU6/X)

23 Imagine what and how all public schools will teach about these riots in the fall.


Including universities.

100% anti American lies.

Posted by: National Divorce at June 04, 2020 07:02 PM (SJDa9)

24 Jonah Goldberg's beloved alma mater Goucher College might soon see its final few semesters.

I think he actually went to Gout College.

Posted by: Bert G at June 04, 2020 07:03 PM (OMsf+)

25 Have been chatting with some teaching colleagues. A real good time to advance the New Trade School. Two years intensive, no shit, get trained schooling.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 04, 2020 07:04 PM (axyOa)

26 >>>Daughter said the same thing. What am I paying for?


Mine may not go back. Thinks he would rather learn a trade and start "making bank." I think that's what the kids are saying on the street now.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at June 04, 2020 07:04 PM (AFSld)

27 My beloved alma mater Goucher College might see its final few semesters.

Posted by: Jonah Goldberg, Plager...Playger...Pliagar...Copycat at June 04, 2020 07:04 PM (Ndje9)

28 I think he actually went to Gout College.


Posted by: Bert G at June 04, 2020 07:03 PM (OMsf+)

As long as Groucho College is safe...

Posted by: clutch cargo at June 04, 2020 07:04 PM (8B6Ng)

29 Good.
And I read that as Groucher College.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 04, 2020 07:05 PM (ufFY8)

30 If the colleges collapse where will kids be able to get a degree in Martian Lesbian Poetry from?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 04, 2020 07:00 PM (+E3TQ)

Can probably print it out online and be worth just as much. Just fewer "professor" jobs for those with that degree available so it'll be more worthless. Probably better off just saving the cost of the paper really.

Posted by: bete at June 04, 2020 07:05 PM (Ojki1)

31 with this and the judgment against them, and maybe the insane asylum Oberlin will shut its doors

Posted by: Retard Strength Trumps Smart Power at June 04, 2020 07:05 PM (RKQ/v)

32 >>>I think he actually went to Gout College.



No, no, no, he went to Gunt College.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at June 04, 2020 07:05 PM (AFSld)

33 Jonah Goldberg's beloved alma mater Goucher College might soon see its final few semesters.


I think he actually went to Gout College.

Posted by: Bert G at June 04, 2020 07:03 PM



That joint? Swollen tuition

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 04, 2020 07:05 PM (786Ro)

34 Nice to hear but I doubt much progress will be made.

As he noted the top schools are wealthy beyond words, $ literally no issue for them, for decades, or ever, without a single student.

And state schools - equally toxic and disastrous in most respects - will be bailed out almost everywhere.

And no way there's more than 1/2 year missed. Many systems have already announced fall semester is on, as they're not idiots and recognize the flu is literally a non-issue for the student demo, and just a flu for anyone else under 65.

So, can't really get excited about this.

Even more pessimistic addendum: anyone think that 1/2 to one year of mild financial pain for one slice of colleges will have any, any impact whatsoever on the toxic miseducation/indoctrination they now provide? Didn't think so.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 04, 2020 07:05 PM (El6T/)

35 I have been saying for years now on here that, what passes for a college or university, is really just a juevinile Country Club for spoiled kids. Not to mention they have turned into indoctrination centers for communism and anarchy.

After 4 years of high school, do 3 years of service....Military, sweeping streets, digging ditches, what ever...then decide on what you want to study ( if anything ) and study THAT and only THAT and at a community college. Very much like they do in Israel.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 04, 2020 07:05 PM (85Gof)

36 / crap, off hammer sock

Posted by: Hands at June 04, 2020 07:05 PM (786Ro)

37 What will happen to Ewok U.'s often-mentioned Shelving Studies Program?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 04, 2020 07:02 PM (DMUuz)

It'll collapse?

Too soon?

Posted by: bete at June 04, 2020 07:05 PM (Ojki1)

38 How many universities are going to have live students this fall? My alma mater Purdue will, according to Mitch Daniels. Notre Dame, Rice, and a few others are on board AFAIK.

Posted by: Fortcoins at June 04, 2020 07:05 PM (1vIuC)

39 Insert Donald Glover "Good!" GIF here.

They are overpriced, turn kids brains into hateful mush with insome indoctrination while loading them with inscore amounts of debt. They also provide employment to otherwise unemployable SJW majors.

We need to get back to a place where college is 1) affordable without backbreaking debt, 2) teaching real things, 3) not accepting barely literate people whom they will fleece.

Posted by: chique l'African Viking Queen of Greenland (don't forget that Epstein didn't off hisself) at June 04, 2020 07:06 PM (9hauA)

40 Keep it down, assholes.

Posted by: Oscar the Grouch at June 04, 2020 07:06 PM (PbpT7)

41 Those top tier schools aren't going to be immune. We're still staring at massive debt and entitlement problems and if Trump goes down, you can basically guarantee a return to the slow-growth "new normal" of Bush/Obama at best. Those endowments are going to be just too juicy a target to resist.

Mike

Posted by: MBunge at June 04, 2020 07:06 PM (7Nkan)

42 My engineering degree cost 15K in tuition, and likely the same in housing and groceries - you can do the same 30 years on for less than 150k. There are still value deals in education. Starting salary in engineering (most disciplines) is greater than 75k - you do the math.

Posted by: Heart of Darkness at June 04, 2020 07:06 PM (nFRLh)

43 the letter to Mattis was awesome.
rips him a new asshole

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 04, 2020 07:06 PM (ufFY8)

44 Once you start shredding the big bucks for tuition, you feel entitled to your degree regardless of your academic merit.
After all, you paid good $ for it.

Posted by: navybrat, largely at large at June 04, 2020 07:06 PM (w7KSn)

45 There ain't no such thing as Groucho College!

Posted by: Chico Marx at June 04, 2020 07:07 PM (aKsyK)

46 Goucher? They were all female when I was in undergrad (same conference). Wonder if attended before or after the went coed?


Yeah, I think Goldberg was like one of the first five men admitted, and still couldn't score.

Posted by: That Old Italian Pimp at June 04, 2020 07:07 PM (yQpMk)

47 This is one of the times when putting out fire with gasoline works. Wait...Bad ananolgy.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at June 04, 2020 07:08 PM (9PtLS)

48 We know Gaucher very well.


After hiring the last idiot what be in charge, they immediately went all SJW stupid.


Won't miss 'em.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 04, 2020 07:08 PM (3D/fK)

49 Yep #1 son is going to Ga Tech but doing all classes from home. It's a complete ripoff for the educational he is getting. Not only that he has an apartment leased in Atlanta that he hasn't used in three months, and I'm paying for all his food while he's here.

Posted by: freaked at June 04, 2020 07:08 PM (aGCEI)

50 >>>Yeah, I think Goldberg was like one of the first five men admitted, and still couldn't score.


Oh, he got some action, trust us.

Posted by: The other four guys at Goucher at June 04, 2020 07:08 PM (PbpT7)

51 Those endowments are going to be just too juicy a target to resist.

Grab the endowment funds to fund minority neighborhoods. I mean not real left winger would appose that would they?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 04, 2020 07:08 PM (85Gof)

52 25 Have been chatting with some teaching colleagues. A real good time to advance the New Trade School. Two years intensive, no shit, get trained schooling.
Posted by: Diogenes at June 04, 2020 07:04 PM (axyOa)

For young Catholic men, Harmel Academy of the Trades is taking applications now. It's a new one, combining faith education with trade education.

Posted by: Catherine at June 04, 2020 07:08 PM (v6Srp)

53 I'm disgusted with everything, so I better just leave.

Later folks.

Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at June 04, 2020 07:08 PM (f4tBE)

54 Can't happen soon enough.

Posted by: PacosMojo at June 04, 2020 07:08 PM (CJohA)

55 Very smart people believe that college bloat and rising tuitions are immune to normal economic pressures. Just like dot coms in the '90s and home prices pre-2008.

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at June 04, 2020 07:09 PM (d9Cw3)

56 45
There ain't no such thing as Groucho College!

Posted by: Chico Marx at June 04, 2020 07:07 PM (aKsyK)


...

Posted by: Harpo at June 04, 2020 07:09 PM (ufFY8)

57
We need a system of higher education.

We don't need this system of higher education.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 04, 2020 07:09 PM (mht8P)

58 " Goucher? They were all female when I was in undergrad"

Hence the local Towson nickname of 'Gaucher Bull Dykes'

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 04, 2020 07:09 PM (3D/fK)

59 I think UC's already announced all normal for the fall. The larger CSU system (Fresno State, etc., all the "states" in CA), to my astonishment, already announced no fall semester. Dunno if they'll revisit that, but sure as hell they're not closing past that.

And there's a 0.00% chance any state schools in CA miss one dime in their vast ridiculous over-funding.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 04, 2020 07:09 PM (El6T/)

60 This COVID debacle will have longstanding ramifications.

Posted by: kallisto at June 04, 2020 07:09 PM (v+fx/)

61 8 https://bit.ly/30924wl
*********

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
I thought this letter from respected retired Marine and Super Star lawyer, John Dowd, would be of interest to the American People. Read it!
******
About Mad Chihuahua Mattis
Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at June 04, 2020 07:00 PM (+ypKa)

Who is "Uncle Leon" that Dowd refers to?

Not enough righteous indignation for me though 'B-"

Posted by: browndog at June 04, 2020 07:09 PM (BgMrQ)

62 Weird how you never hear of salary caps on university presidents but only on CEOs coming from the left. I wonder why?

Posted by: ryukyu at June 04, 2020 07:09 PM (vKhgw)

63 I hope Sanjay Is getting Ed McMahon pay.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at June 04, 2020 07:09 PM (PUmDY)

64 My daughter in law is the catering manager for a small private liberal arts college near me. She is only one of two left in her department. They are having no summer camps/retreats/seminars etc over the summer which usually bring a lot of revenue in. She is worried about the fall.

Posted by: grammie winger at June 04, 2020 07:09 PM (lwiT4)

65 300k for a degree that you can leverage into a barrista job and paying a thousand a month for a share of an apartment with three other dudes is no way to go through life.


It's maddening enough to make you go burn something down.

Posted by: That Old Italian Pimp at June 04, 2020 07:10 PM (yQpMk)

66 Ga Tech is (was) a great engineering school in a horrible location.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at June 04, 2020 07:10 PM (YU6/X)

67 That Dowd letter to Mattis is a scorcher.

Posted by: Mark1971 at June 04, 2020 07:10 PM (xPl2J)

68 Parents spoil their children, teaching them no values, boundaries or manners. Colleges then finish the job by mashing up what remains of their brains and transforming them into little snowflake crybully monsters.

Posted by: chique l'African Viking Queen of Greenland (don't forget that Epstein didn't off hisself) at June 04, 2020 07:10 PM (9hauA)

69 Oh, he got some action, trust us.
Posted by: The other four guys at Goucher at June 04, 2020 07:08 PM (PbpT7)



I'm a waitress sammich!

Posted by: Jonah the Freshman at June 04, 2020 07:10 PM (786Ro)

70 dammit

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 04, 2020 07:10 PM (yQpMk)

71 This COVID debacle will have longstanding ramifications.
Posted by: kallisto at June 04, 2020 07:09 PM (v+fx/)

"Ramherfication" we talking about post covid sex again?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 04, 2020 07:10 PM (85Gof)

72 #38 Stanford, which is on the quarter system, plans to house half of the undergrads on campus, per quarter. Students complete two quarters on campus and on quarter remote.

Posted by: mr tmz at June 04, 2020 07:10 PM (m/Gc2)

73 And state schools - equally toxic and disastrous in most respects - will be bailed out almost everywhere.


Posted by: rhomboid at June 04, 2020 07:05 PM (El6T/)

Some will, but states might not have the funds themselves due to the Covid virus shut down to bail all of them out. UW system is expected to be facing a hell of a pinch, and no way the governor is going to be able to paper over all the expected shortfalls state wide.

Posted by: bete at June 04, 2020 07:10 PM (Ojki1)

74 For young Catholic men, Harmel Academy of the Trades is taking applications now. It's a new one, combining faith education with trade education.
Posted by: Catherine


Perfect example.
Add in IT, Business, maybe even basic engineering. Screw accreditation. Get a couple corporate backers and turn out quality grads.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 04, 2020 07:10 PM (axyOa)

75 One third tier school already has gone bellh up. MacMurry College in Jacksonville, Il is closed. All but admit COVID was the final straw.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at June 04, 2020 07:10 PM (PD4UQ)

76
And if they don't cave, it's cause they are against education
Posted by: RoyalOil at June 04, 2020 06:59 PM (aO8Gd)

Yep. "You're anti-intellectual". Which you know, given some of these supposed smart people and what many of them produce and how they run their little fiefdoms, maybe now I am.
Posted by: bete at June 04, 2020 07:02 PM (Ojki1)






I've READ Paul Johnson's book Intellectuals. It's not a term I'd want anything to do with.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 04, 2020 07:10 PM (EGyGV)

77 Buck, not immune, but see my stratified impact musing above.

Some will be hurt, some will close. Meh.

I'll await a plausible scenario in which any tiny bit of the disaster these places have become for the country will change, one tiny bit.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 04, 2020 07:11 PM (El6T/)

78 dammit
Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 04, 2020 07:10 PM


Janet

Posted by: Brad Majors at June 04, 2020 07:11 PM (DMUuz)

79 Let me watch my wife touch your goo-shay.

Posted by: Jonah G at June 04, 2020 07:11 PM (uEbPt)

80 Parents spoil their children, teaching them no values, boundaries or manners. Colleges then finish the job by mashing up what remains of their brains and transforming them into little snowflake crybully monsters.
Posted by: chique l'African Viking Queen of Greenland (don't forget that Epstein didn't off hisself) at June 04, 2020 07:10 PM (9hauA)

Amen

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 04, 2020 07:11 PM (85Gof)

81 Another small silver lining. At least the idiotic local plastic bag ban is done. Who knows when they'll have the balls to reinstitute that shit.

Posted by: ... at June 04, 2020 07:12 PM (uEbPt)

82
But... but... what about the professors???

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 04, 2020 07:13 PM (mht8P)

83 I went to Heartbreak Ridge University and the cheerleaders were heavenly.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at June 04, 2020 07:13 PM (9PtLS)

84 Not all parents spoil their children when it comes to college. I gave each of my two children $1000. The daughter worked 3 jobs while in school at UW-Madison. The son joined the Army. They both sweat for it.

Posted by: grammie winger at June 04, 2020 07:13 PM (lwiT4)

85 One third tier school already has gone bellh up. MacMurry College in Jacksonville, Il is closed. All but admit COVID was the final straw.
Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life



Likewise a Portland school, Concordia.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 04, 2020 07:13 PM (axyOa)

86 Even before COVID I saw estimates that 25% of colleges would go bankrupt over the next five years. Good riddance. We need to massively shift toward credentialing via standardized testing. We shouldn't care how you learn, only what you learn, and what skills you have.

Posted by: iandeal at June 04, 2020 07:14 PM (vgGyZ)

87 As someone who teaches at a small Texas college, I'll strongly object to being called "third-tier."
The thing is that, after two decades of intersections hiring practices, the big schools have an ethnically diverse and largely female faculty that can't teach, can't write, and can't research. All the talent has been pushed into these smaller schools. The result is that not only are these small colleges much cheaper, but the quality of instruction is demonstratively superior. The classes are much smaller, as well. And not insanely politically partisan, as well.
I'll put my local, little American History or Archaeology class against anything taught at Harvard. It's a first-tier course.

Posted by: Keith Eppich at June 04, 2020 07:14 PM (4ai1w)

88 Word on the street is that Fuck U. Is having a hell of a recruiting year.

Posted by: Voter theater. at June 04, 2020 07:15 PM (XOKj8)

89 After 4 years of high school, do 3 years of
service....Military, sweeping streets, digging ditches, what ever...then
decide on what you want to study ( if anything ) and study THAT and
only THAT and at a community college. Very much like they do in Israel.





Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 04, 2020 07:05 PM (85Gof)

This. Medical Certs are not bad way to go either. Xray Techs do OK. Phlebotomists. etc. Physical thepists always in need. Some traveling positions for those too, like nurses do.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 04, 2020 07:15 PM (XEfKE)

90
It would be funny if Trump bought up all those campuses and turned them into something yuge, classy and luxurious.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 04, 2020 07:15 PM (mht8P)

91 All those wishcasting state-level fiscal constraints, talk to the Fed about the new "facility" states can access.

If it's as bad as I fear, in practice, it will sort of be the final collapse of any real governance when it comes to $$.

It will take the disastrous national model, in which the US uses its unique position as the world's reserve currency and best/biggest capital market to essentially print money/incur debt without any constraint or limit whatever, to fund federal deficits - and for the first time provide the same to states.

We'll see. But that is clearly what IL, NY, CA, WA, and many other horribly mismanaged states want. And nothing the Fed has done since 2008 has shown any trace of sense or responsibility.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 04, 2020 07:15 PM (El6T/)

92 I'll put my local, little American History or Archaeology class against anything taught at Harvard. It's a first-tier course.

Posted by: Keith Eppich at June 04, 2020 07:14 PM (4ai1w)


I bet it is, sir. I applaud you, sincerely.

Posted by: grammie winger at June 04, 2020 07:15 PM (lwiT4)

93 omg I just heard that Becky try to whitesplain to that Trinidadian lady....BECKY: You're oppressed! ...,WOMAN: I am Black, I'm not oppressed! .....just like Joe Biden, little Pale Ale thinks she can tell the sista How To Be Black.

Posted by: kallisto at June 04, 2020 07:16 PM (v+fx/)

94 Who is "Uncle Leon" that Dowd refers to?



Posted by: browndog at June 04, 2020 07:09 PM (BgMrQ)

This.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at June 04, 2020 07:16 PM (KnJdm)

95 As someone who teaches at a small Texas college, I'll strongly object to being called "third-tier."
The thing is that, after two decades of intersections hiring practices, the big schools have an ethnically diverse and largely female faculty that can't teach, can't write, and can't research. All the talent has been pushed into these smaller schools. The result is that not only are these small colleges much cheaper, but the quality of instruction is demonstratively superior. The classes are much smaller, as well. And not insanely politically partisan, as well.
I'll put my local, little American History or Archaeology class against anything taught at Harvard. It's a first-tier course.
Posted by: Keith Eppich



Very interesting counter-point. Thank you.

Posted by: eleven at June 04, 2020 07:16 PM (Qf83p)

96 And, I forgot to say, our enrollment numbers are going u, at least for now. We opened face-to-face classes on Monday.

Posted by: Keith Eppich at June 04, 2020 07:16 PM (4ai1w)

97
The next Enrico Fermi doesn't have to go to Harvard. The next Bill Kristol does.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 04, 2020 07:16 PM (mht8P)

98 93
omg I just heard that Becky try to whitesplain to that Trinidadian
lady....BECKY: You're oppressed! ...,WOMAN: I am Black, I'm not
oppressed! .....just like Joe Biden, little Pale Ale thinks she can tell
the sista How To Be Black.

Posted by: kallisto at June 04, 2020 07:16 PM (v+fx/)

Link, please. Sharing is caring.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at June 04, 2020 07:17 PM (KnJdm)

99 Chapman University. Now there's a winner. Smack dab in the middle of Orange, CA you can study film for a cool 58 grand a year or a quarter-of-a-mil for a 4 year BA. But they have 20 varsity teams at the Division III level, so it has that going for it.

Posted by: JC. IDaho bot. at June 04, 2020 07:17 PM (377Zs)

100 Fourth Turnings are never easy.

Posted by: kallisto at June 04, 2020 07:17 PM (v+fx/)

101 And I know America has a lot of those. The high tuition doesn't seem to be justified except to exclude less wealthy students from a school that isn't really exclusive in any way except for having an exclusive pricetag.

And if you want to talk about real "Institutional Racism", take a look at the minority quotas imposed for acceptance and the difference availability of grants and scholarships based on race, national origin and sex.


White males at the bottom of the SJW pyramid are the ones going into debt. The rest, not so much.

Posted by: deplorable unperson -To Mars! at June 04, 2020 07:17 PM (bGHB3)

102 It's hard as hell to find a good operations research systems analysis person to hire. Thank God my contract states no h1b hires allowed. It gotten nowhere I'll hire a kid with engineering degree ee, me, systems or software and then train them how to do orsa work. State their hypothesis, test it, and then research the root cause of why so.

Posted by: BifBewalski - sinis est culus at June 04, 2020 07:17 PM (VcFUs)

103 My engineering degree cost 15K in tuition, and likely the same in housing and groceries - you can do the same 30 years on for less than 150k. There are still value deals in education. Starting salary in engineering (most disciplines) is greater than 75k - you do the math.
Posted by: Heart of Darkness at June 04, 2020 07:06 PM (nFRLh)

with the internet putting all sorts of knowledge at your fingertips and enabling people all around the world to communicate easily, some majors should be retired, IMO.

Some will always be needed, e.g., STEM, medical school, economics, because they actually need to be taught and there's stuff like labs.

Thankfully, between my parents and scholarships at an inexpensive school (and me for our youngest), neither I nor my siblings had any college debt.

I was going to do the same with my hard earned money for a certain younger family member, but that person messed up big time and the spigot is now closed.

Posted by: chique l'African Viking Queen of Greenland (don't forget that Epstein didn't off hisself) at June 04, 2020 07:18 PM (9hauA)

104 And, I forgot to say, our enrollment numbers are going u, at least for now. We opened face-to-face classes on Monday.
Posted by: Keith Eppich at June 04, 2020 07:16 PM



Good for you and your institution.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at June 04, 2020 07:18 PM (PD4UQ)

105 Everybody read Keith Eppich at #87.

Perfect.

I was going to toss in a more generic comment, and one of concern, that losing smaller colleges would in fact greatly damage the country, as those places *probably in many cases are vastly superior, and actually provide an education/not indoctrination*.

Keith I'm certain you are absolutely correct about the quality your institution provides - and I hope against hope there are many small schools like yours. And that's the only segment of the market I have any concern about.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 04, 2020 07:18 PM (El6T/)

106 hmm. It seems from the side bar there is something I agree with the Nevertrumpers on.

Die Hard is Christmas.

Ho Ho Ho.

Posted by: Big V Caffeinated at June 04, 2020 07:18 PM (eMtQa)

107 88
Word on the street is that Fuck U. Is having a hell of a recruiting year.

Posted by: Voter theater. at June 04, 2020 07:15 PM (XOKj

Balowme U isn't far behind.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 04, 2020 07:18 PM (XEfKE)

108 I'll put my local, little American History or Archaeology class against anything taught at Harvard. It's a first-tier course.

Posted by: Keith Eppich





Very interesting counter-point. Thank you.

Posted by: eleven at June 04, 2020 07:16 PM (Qf83p)

That jives (can I say that without taking a knee) with my experience with JC.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at June 04, 2020 07:18 PM (KnJdm)

109 I see the NYT has bent their knees to the outrage princesses over Tom Cotton's editorial.

https://tinyurl.com/y8h52lbw

Posted by: Tami at June 04, 2020 07:18 PM (cF8AT)

110 Recipe of a coup:

1- Attack & Weaken Economy;
2- Create riots, chaos;
3- Neutralize local Sheriff & Police Forces;
4-Recruit Military Generals;
5- Bring back old faces & prop them up as coup leaders;
6- Takeover

Posted by: navybrat, largely at large at June 04, 2020 07:18 PM (w7KSn)

111 White males at the bottom of the SJW pyramid are the ones going into debt. The rest, not so much.
Posted by: deplorable unperson -To Mars! at June 04, 2020 07:17 PM (bGHB3)

At Harvard and I think other lvy League schools, Asians are the most discriminated against, and it's done proudly and openly.

Posted by: chique l'African Viking Queen of Greenland (don't forget that Epstein didn't off hisself) at June 04, 2020 07:19 PM (9hauA)

112 Do you honestly think all those parents still have jobs? And their investments are still doing great?

Posted by: notsothoreau at June 04, 2020 07:19 PM (JKNZq)

113 Well, since there is no law and order and rich folks' shit is all up for grabs, who wants to electronically break into Harvard's endowment account and empty it into ours, and leave a "Kilroy Was Here" flashing on their computer screen?

Posted by: Sharkman at June 04, 2020 07:19 PM (BM2fS)

114 Well, bye.

I see the products of these brainwashing factories. They are out in the streets throwing rocks at the police, forcing other students to kneel to them, coercing others into hating our country, and generally trying to tear down our republic because it's racist and oppressive or something.

That's what parents have been paying hundreds of thousands of dollars for. I hope they're proud.

This isn't new or unknown by the way. The reason they get away with it is most of the expense comes on taxpayers, many of whom don't even go to college. Congress slowly took over the entire system of college finance, and they hand them money every year.

Because "everyone" has a right to a college education that turns them into a future Antifa or BLM terrorist, who is also a guaranteed Democrat vote.

Posted by: Hesco Gypsy, staring from 457 meters at June 04, 2020 07:20 PM (BxH25)

115 New Hotness: The Conservative Case for Bailing Out the Institutions That Hate Us to Make Them Love Us Again....Also, Cute Corgis!

Posted by: Han Yolo at June 04, 2020 07:20 PM (k5hWy)

116 98 - flounder I heard it on Levin. Other Morons have posted the link here.

Posted by: kallisto at June 04, 2020 07:20 PM (v+fx/)

117 That Dowd letter to Mattis is a scorcher.

I don't suppose it's available somewhere that doesn't require going through Twitter? Twitter doesn't work for crap on my old iPad. Page loads take forever if at all and I usually can't open attached images like the letter.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 04, 2020 07:20 PM (qc+VF)

118 with the internet putting all sorts of knowledge at your fingertips and enabling people all around the world to communicate easily, some majors should be retired, IMO.

Some will always be needed, e.g., STEM, medical school, economics, because they actually need to be taught and there's stuff like labs.

Posted by: chique l'African Viking Queen of Greenland (don't forget that Epstein didn't off hisself) at June 04, 2020 07:18 PM (9hauA)


This.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 04, 2020 07:20 PM (YqDXo)

119 Parents spoil their children, teaching them no values, boundaries or manners. ----

Some parents.
Please don't paint all parents with the same brush that ex-spouses are frequently used, as the convenient villain, for failures of young adults and even aged, that can't take responsibility for their own decisions/failures.

Posted by: old chick at June 04, 2020 07:20 PM (sOete)

120 >>>>>>
Who is "Uncle Leon" that Dowd refers to?


Panetta? He was Obama's secretary of defense.

Posted by: Mark1971 at June 04, 2020 07:20 PM (xPl2J)

121 Those 3 CNN dolts all look in varying degrees retarded. These are our betters????

Posted by: tubal at June 04, 2020 07:21 PM (bCLt0)

122 with the internet putting all sorts of knowledge at
your fingertips and enabling people all around the world to communicate
easily, some majors should be retired, IMO.



Some will always be needed, e.g., STEM, medical school, economics,
because they actually need to be taught and there's stuff like labs.



Thankfully, between my parents and scholarships at an inexpensive
school (and me for our youngest), neither I nor my siblings had any
college debt.



I was going to do the same with my hard earned money for a certain
younger family member, but that person messed up big time and the spigot
is now closed.

Posted by: chique l'African Viking Queen of Greenland (don't forget that
Epstein didn't off hisself) at June 04, 2020 07:18 PM (9hauA)

Before University, people were educated by patrons, by apprenticeships, or by seeking out knowledge. University has become a place to hide out for four years, except in the marketable disciplines that require actual work, not make work.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at June 04, 2020 07:21 PM (KnJdm)

123 The letter is a pdf that you can click on and download.
I just did.
It's a real scorcher.

Posted by: navybrat, largely at large at June 04, 2020 07:21 PM (w7KSn)

124 New Hotness: The Conservative Case for Bailing Out the Institutions That Hate Us to Make Them Love Us Again....Also, Cute Corgis


And hot dogs are sandwiches.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at June 04, 2020 07:21 PM (PD4UQ)

125 JC, good friend's son went to Chapman. Friend has a background in national-level stuff as well, and his chats with faculty, he said, were like going back to our time in college, or even before. Very smart, apolitical, interesting profs, tough curricula, good reading lists. He was amazed and relieved at how bad it wasn't.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 04, 2020 07:21 PM (El6T/)

126 Panetta? He was Obama's secretary of defense.


Posted by: Mark1971 at June 04, 2020 07:20 PM (xPl2J)

Good call.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at June 04, 2020 07:22 PM (KnJdm)

127 I don't suppose it's available somewhere that
doesn't require going through Twitter? Twitter doesn't work for crap on
my old iPad. Page loads take forever if at all and I usually can't
open attached images like the letter.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 04, 2020 07:20 PM (qc+VF)

So far only on Twitter. I'm sure it will spread though.

Posted by: Mark1971 at June 04, 2020 07:22 PM (xPl2J)

128 UC now requires not only applicants for faculty positions but applicants for grad school - even in STEM subjects - to submit an essay on what they've done or will do to promote "diversity" and support for LGBTQEIEIO.

That's outrageous.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 04, 2020 07:22 PM (YqDXo)

129 120 >>>>>>
Who is "Uncle Leon" that Dowd refers to?


Panetta? He was Obama's secretary of defense.
Posted by: Mark1971 at June 04, 2020 07:20 PM (xPl2J)

I believe it is Leon Redbone, aka Champagne Charlie.

Posted by: tubal at June 04, 2020 07:22 PM (bCLt0)

130 Heh.....I went to trade school in 1982. It was I believe it was less than 4k. Finishing up 40 year career very soon. Best 4k I ever spent.

Posted by: Pliney at June 04, 2020 07:22 PM (nzKWW)

131 @realDonaldTrump 4m

John Kelly didn't know I was going to fire James Mattis, nor did he have any knowledge of my asking for a letter of resignation. Why would I tell him, he was not...

...in my inner-circle, was totally exhausted by the job, and in the end just slinked away into obscurity. They all want to come back for a piece of the limelight!

The problem with asking for someone to give you a letter of resignation, which you do as a courtesy to help them save face, is that it is then harder to say you fired them. I did fire James Mattis. He was no good for Obama, who fired him also, and was no good for me!

Posted by: Tami at June 04, 2020 07:22 PM (cF8AT)

132 120 >>>>>>
Who is "Uncle Leon" that Dowd refers to?


Panetta? He was Obama's secretary of defense.
Posted by: Mark1971 at June 04, 2020 07:20 PM (xPl2J)

Thank you!

I was wracking my brain for the connection and couldn't make it.

Posted by: browndog at June 04, 2020 07:22 PM (BgMrQ)

133 My college tuition was $300 a semester. And that was out-of-state. LOL

Posted by: grammie winger at June 04, 2020 07:22 PM (lwiT4)

134 As someone who teaches at a small Texas college, I'll strongly object to being called "third-tier."
The thing is that, after two decades of intersections hiring practices, the big schools have an ethnically diverse and largely female faculty that can't teach, can't write, and can't research. All the talent has been pushed into these smaller schools. The result is that not only are these small colleges much cheaper, but the quality of instruction is demonstratively superior. The classes are much smaller, as well. And not insanely politically partisan, as well.
I'll put my local, little American History or Archaeology class against anything taught at Harvard. It's a first-tier course.
Posted by: Keith Eppich

I heard that while it's hard to get into an Ivy (unless like Fredo Cuomo, you are from a wealthy prominent family), it's also hard to flunk out, and they grade inflate.

Posted by: chique l'African Viking Queen of Greenland (don't forget that Epstein didn't off hisself) at June 04, 2020 07:22 PM (9hauA)

135
2- Create riots, chaos;

Posted by: navybrat, largely at large at June 04, 2020 07:18 PM (w7KSn)

I first read that as create Chariots

WHAT?

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 04, 2020 07:22 PM (NgKpN)

136 "Covid Has Begun a Long-Overdue Collapse of the American Education System"

Today just got a whole lot better.

If only China could've sent it over forty years ago. Sigh.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at June 04, 2020 07:22 PM (HhXSr)

137 Viking Queen, we are copacetic - I paid my freight as you did - I have no issues with people who debt college either, just tell me what the payout is.

Posted by: Heart of Darkness at June 04, 2020 07:23 PM (nFRLh)

138 I'm curious to see how Grand Canyon College does - that may seem odd, but I've been following them for a couple years. The Negative - definitely a 3rd tier school.
The Positive - they've been putting a huge amount of effort into their online profile and online classes, and they should be positioned to benefit from a big upswing in online education.

I'm very curious to see how that goes.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 04, 2020 07:23 PM (V2Yro)

139 Posted by: Keith Eppich

Good on you sir.

My experience with two very rural Southeastern colleges supports exactly what you say.


Two gainfully employed, conservative kids and another on the way. All have had a great experience and received excellent educations at their tiny little colleges, while their peers went off to "Universiteh" and were transformed into purple-haired , face-pierced leftist drones.

Posted by: deplorable unperson -To Mars! at June 04, 2020 07:23 PM (bGHB3)

140 What to Trump and Obama have in common?

1. They both breathe air
2. They both fired Mattis

Posted by: Braenyard at June 04, 2020 07:23 PM (ix2vz)

141 Are Goucher College Alum the snapping Gouches?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 04, 2020 07:24 PM (2B9A/)

142 My daughter is taking a gap year next year. I'll be damned if I am gonna pay full boat for onlune classes at a SUNY school that won't even commit to being open. Cancelling her apartment next week and they have already threatened to sue me. Fuck 'em.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at June 04, 2020 07:24 PM (flINI)

143 Where to support black-owned businesses in North Jersey

THIS is the headline in my local rag.

Can you imagine if it said white or Jew owned businesses?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 04, 2020 07:24 PM (85Gof)

144 chique l'African Viking Queen of Greenland: "I heard that while it's hard to get into an Ivy (unless like Fredo Cuomo, you are from a wealthy prominent family), it's also hard to flunk out, and they grade inflate."

Didn't Harvard essentially go to Pass/Fail, the most rigorous of scales?

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at June 04, 2020 07:25 PM (HhXSr)

145 F that. Most of the well off "parents" who send their kids to these top tier schools are locusts themselves. They are the ones who created the conditions for this riotous upheaval. They are also the ones now quickly exiting Blue States they destroyed with their stupidly and are taking the same level of stupid down south on a quest to ruin them. Oh yeah, and places like Denver, Austin and Phoenix.

Posted by: Hesco Gypsy, staring from 457 meters at June 04, 2020 07:25 PM (BxH25)

146 128 UC now requires not only applicants for faculty positions but applicants for grad school - even in STEM subjects - to submit an essay on what they've done or will do to promote "diversity" and support for LGBTQEIEIO.

That's outrageous.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 04, 2020 07:22 PM (YqDXo)

But no more SAT tests.

So no way to actually SEE if you can do the F'n coursework or not.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 04, 2020 07:25 PM (NgKpN)

147 We've long needed to establish a better job screening procedure than 'college degree.' With people getting by with BullShit Studies classes and coming out with fewer skills than high school grads 50 years ago, a college degree was monumentally overpriced and completely worthless for finding worthwhile employees.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 04, 2020 07:25 PM (oVJmc)

148 Aside from technical educations, I think " college" is about employing layabouts.

Posted by: tubal at June 04, 2020 07:25 PM (bCLt0)

149 The letter is a pdf that you can click on and download.
I just did.


Yeah, that's the part that doesn't work for me. I just get a gray overlay with ">>" and "X" buttons and no content.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 04, 2020 07:25 PM (qc+VF)

150 first read that as create Chariots

WHAT?



You will also need crossbows.


Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at June 04, 2020 07:25 PM (PD4UQ)

151 The ultimate class action lawsuit would be people getting defective degrees that flagrantly teach anti-scholarship, i.e all the grievance studies.

Posted by: iandeal at June 04, 2020 07:25 PM (vgGyZ)

152 Oh sure Marines will side with 4-year lawyer Dowd and not revered Mattis who pulled guard duty on Christmas as a general.

Posted by: Vito Corleone at June 04, 2020 07:25 PM (IqfdE)

153 Ban Red Chinese students of all stripes; that'll fuck them up badly too.

Posted by: andycanuck at June 04, 2020 07:25 PM (TQ/zJ)

154 I heard that while it's hard to get into an Ivy
(unless like Fredo Cuomo, you are from a wealthy prominent family), it's
also hard to flunk out, and they grade inflate.



Posted by: chique l'African Viking Queen of Greenland (don't forget that
Epstein didn't off hisself) at June 04, 2020 07:22 PM (9hauA)



My step-sister went to Harvard, and completed her PhD there. I believe she got all A's because everyone gets all A's. On the one hand, she is a remarkable human being. On the other hand, she is sadly also a Karen.

Posted by: grammie winger at June 04, 2020 07:26 PM (lwiT4)

155 There will always be a place for graduates of distinguished and rigorous programs.

Posted by: Soleo Mio, Crocs Distinguished Professor of Footwear Design at June 04, 2020 07:26 PM (DMUuz)

156 From Galloway's lips to God's ears.

Destruction of a significant part of our current higher "education" system is long overdue.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at June 04, 2020 07:26 PM (H5knJ)

157 There is a very high likelihood that by the end of 2021 my high school (which went under a few years ago) and both colleges I attended for undergrad will be closed. One of those closing will be especially difficult to see because my father was affiliated with it for 20+ years.

But it's unsustainable. These are small religious colleges and there is just not the market for it. It's not sustainable for how the number of schools there are and it's consolidating.

On a personal level, it will be great for me because it will mean that my past is disappearing and I don't have to lift a finger to do it.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping up and down. at June 04, 2020 07:26 PM (GbPPJ)

158 140
What to Trump and Obama have in common?



1. They both breathe air

2. They both fired Mattis

Posted by: Braenyard at June 04, 2020 07:23 PM (ix2vz)

They both can't stand Michael.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at June 04, 2020 07:26 PM (KnJdm)

159 Mattis who pulled guard duty on Christmas as a general.

Photo-Op.

Posted by: deplorable unperson -To Mars! at June 04, 2020 07:26 PM (bGHB3)

160 If we had an organized right like the left has in America, more than two dozen of these hate-machine factories would have already been flattened, including Evergreen and Oberlin.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at June 04, 2020 07:26 PM (h7JOx)

161 Introduce a law nationalizing all "higher" education where all school staff get paid EXACTLY the same in the name of fairness and equality. Confiscate all "endowments" and redistribute the funds across all schools equally.

These institutions do nothing but pump this stuff into our society - why are they allowed to hold themselves aloof from what they demand of everyone else?

For students - collectivize the grades: everybody gets an averaged grade across the entire student body. Oh, there's all kinds of stuff one can do with this.

They demand "equality". Give it to them in spades. Choke them with equality until they "can't breathe".

Posted by: I Have Questions at June 04, 2020 07:26 PM (+v+zN)

162 Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
I thought this letter from respected retired Marine and Super Star lawyer, John Dowd, would be of interest to the American People. Read it!
******
About Mad Chihuahua Mattis

Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at June 04, 2020 07:00 PM (+ypKa)

"Hello, 911, I'd like to report a murder..."

Ooooh baby!

Posted by: Tami at June 04, 2020 07:26 PM (cF8AT)

163 Some parents.
Please don't paint all parents with the same brush that ex-spouses are frequently used, as the convenient villain, for failures of young adults and even aged, that can't take responsibility for their own decisions/failures.

Posted by: old chick at June 04, 2020 07:20 PM (sOete)

That's what I meant.

I also raised someone for a while (a relative) who later went off the rails (but hopefully is now back on track).

But you can't deny that a lot of parents do a terrible job of raising their kids. You can see it long before they never get to college.

Posted by: chique l'African Viking Queen of Greenland (don't forget that Epstein didn't off hisself) at June 04, 2020 07:27 PM (9hauA)

164 UC now requires not only applicants for faculty positions but applicants for grad school - even in STEM subjects - to submit an essay on what they've done or will do to promote "diversity" and support for LGBTQEIEIO.

That's outrageous.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 04, 2020 07:22 PM (YqDXo)

Shit like that has been going on for a long time, even in high level science programs...which is why they is less serious improtant research going on

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 04, 2020 07:27 PM (85Gof)

165 154

My step-sister went to Harvard, and completed her PhD there. I believe she got all A's because everyone gets all A's. On the one hand, she is a remarkable human being. On the other hand, she is sadly also a Karen.
Posted by: grammie winger at June 04, 2020 07:26 PM (lwiT4)

Is she particularly intelligent? Or just glib?

Posted by: tubal at June 04, 2020 07:27 PM (bCLt0)

166 "Posted by: Keith Eppich"

Fucking A spot on.

Posted by: Hesco Gypsy, staring from 457 meters at June 04, 2020 07:27 PM (BxH25)

167 Before they *ever* get to college.

Posted by: chique l'African Viking Queen of Greenland (don't forget that Epstein didn't off hisself) at June 04, 2020 07:27 PM (9hauA)

168 The emperor has no clothes. And no fancy graduation robe can change that.

Posted by: Hoi Polloi at June 04, 2020 07:27 PM (d/0JI)

169 Hi. I'll catch up with the comments, but I watched all 17 minutes of the first video.

(a) *beams with pride*. I am an NYU B-school alumn, and whatever other fartery the rest of NYU may be about the B-school has always been just the facts, Ma'am. It's a Wall Street school, it treats markets like weather. This is how it works.

(ii) Holy snikies! $70K tuition? I paid $15K. I just did the math and that's now $48K.

Has it become harder to teach the Financial Asset Pricing Model?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 04, 2020 07:27 PM (gd9RK)

170 Vito - struggling my man is not the same as down with the struggle.

Posted by: Heart of Darkness at June 04, 2020 07:28 PM (nFRLh)

171 112 Do you honestly think all those parents still have jobs? And their investments are still doing great?


BINGO!

plus, we are hitting a 'baby bust" because we Xers hit two recessions early in our careers, and didn't tend to be able to afford large families.

even now colleges are dependent on foreign students and that is coming to a hard stop. a lot of Euro parents are not feeling very comfortable sending Inga here anymore.

the system was already precarious and this summer will be the straw for sure

Posted by: SorryBlackOrchid at June 04, 2020 07:28 PM (j9HX3)

172 I'll put my local, little American History or Archaeology class against anything taught at Harvard. It's a first-tier course.
Posted by: Keith Eppich at June 04, 2020 07:14 PM (4ai1w)

Hello, neighbor! I've heard about your course, all good things! I think your school, at least, is gonna be fine in part because it has a great deal of community support, and I think if fills a very useful niche in the academic field. I hope they're full up again in the fall!

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 04, 2020 07:28 PM (V2Yro)

173 Levin played the part of Barr's presser where he described the violence of the protesters. They pried pavers out of the street to throw at police and SS. 22 LE emded up at hospital with head injuries, some concussed.

Posted by: kallisto at June 04, 2020 07:28 PM (v+fx/)

174 Ummm, does anyone know where we go to collect on slave reparations?

Posted by: Elizabeth Warren at June 04, 2020 07:28 PM (SWfqM)

175 By the way, how are the Goucher Fighting Gonads doing in synchronized swimming this year?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 04, 2020 07:28 PM (guGkK)

176 When I went t o school we all majored or minored in Drug Therapy.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 04, 2020 07:28 PM (85Gof)

177 Baseball may be dead but any poll that shows Biden up is as well

Posted by: Heart of Darkness at June 04, 2020 07:29 PM (nFRLh)

178
Shit like that has been going on for a long time, even in high level science programs...which is why they is less serious improtant research going on
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 04, 2020 07:27 PM (85Gof)



The best free horror being written right now is Retraction Watch.

That's like .003% a joke.


I was not surprised at all that the big HCQ will kill you study turned out to be an utter fraud. Or that The Lancet fell for it.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping up and down. at June 04, 2020 07:29 PM (GbPPJ)

179 154
I heard that while it's hard to get into an Ivy

(unless like Fredo Cuomo, you are from a wealthy prominent family), it's

also hard to flunk out, and they grade inflate.


My daughter went to Stanford Law and worked her ass off. I suppose Law School may differ from undergrad, but I expect those kids still work very hard, because that's what they know. It matters if you're in STEM or "studies" of course, but that's true at every university.

Posted by: pep at June 04, 2020 07:29 PM (T6t7i)

180 161 Introduce a law nationalizing all "higher" education where all school staff get paid EXACTLY the same in the name of fairness and equality. Confiscate all "endowments" and redistribute the funds across all schools equally.

=========

Better yet pay based on race. White commie libs at the bottom of the pay scale.

Posted by: Pliney at June 04, 2020 07:29 PM (nzKWW)

181
I went to a small private college in the mid-70s. My mother worked there so my tuition was waived, which tells you something about tuitions back then.

I was a chemistry major and did two years of undergraduate research, from which I got a publication in a good journal.

In short, you get the education you work for.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 04, 2020 07:29 PM (mht8P)

182 see, when we look back at this time, we will say, hey - this is when push-back started.

Posted by: runner at June 04, 2020 07:29 PM (zr5Kq)

183 Is she particularly intelligent? Or just glib?

Posted by: tubal at June 04, 2020 07:27 PM (bCLt0)



She's extremely bright and just about the sweetest person ever. Built a school in Tanzania and lives in a hut for half the year. The other half, she is the curator of a museum. Interesting woman with great hair.

Posted by: grammie winger at June 04, 2020 07:29 PM (lwiT4)

184 By the way, how are the Goucher Fighting Gonads doing in synchronized swimming this year?

The competition has been pretty teste.

Posted by: deplorable unperson -To Mars! at June 04, 2020 07:30 PM (bGHB3)

185 My husband kept trying to get his son to go to college. I told him it was a bad idea. My stepson is smart enough for college, but he would have been going into engineering because his grandfather did that. He wasn't motivated enough. he's been doing construction. At some point, it will get harder physically. That's when he'll get motivated to go, if he still wants to.

Posted by: notsothoreau at June 04, 2020 07:30 PM (JKNZq)

186 169 Hi. I'll catch up with the comments, but I watched all 17 minutes of the first video.

(a) *beams with pride*. I am an NYU B-school alumn, and whatever other fartery the rest of NYU may be about the B-school has always been just the facts, Ma'am. It's a Wall Street school, it treats markets like weather. This is how it works.

(ii) Holy snikies! $70K tuition? I paid $15K. I just did the math and that's now $48K.

Has it become harder to teach the Financial Asset Pricing Model?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 04, 2020 07:27 PM (gd9RK)

FAPM? It was CAPM when I went to kollidge not too long back. Wonder why...

Posted by: Someguy at June 04, 2020 07:30 PM (Zm+LZ)

187 Troll, then suck a dick. Troll, then suck a dick. Man, it's like I'll never get caught up!

Posted by: Vito Corleone at June 04, 2020 07:30 PM (sWM8x)

188 >>>Photo-Op.
Posted by: deplorable unperson -To Mars! at June 04, 2020

Like St John's? Nope. No cameras. Only verified years later in an interview with GEN Krulak (son of legend "Brute" Krulak). Keep flailing.

Posted by: Vito Corleone at June 04, 2020 07:30 PM (IqfdE)

189 My step-sister went to Harvard, and completed her PhD there. I believe she got all A's because everyone gets all A's. On the one hand, she is a remarkable human being. On the other hand, she is sadly also a Karen.
Posted by: grammie winger at June 04, 2020 07:26 PM (lwiT4)

This is not uncommon in PhD programs. At mine, I was told that no one ever got a C (not sure how accurate that is - I got perfect grades. Actually, that may not mean much if the only agrades are A, B and variations thereof, LOL. )

Posted by: chique l'African Viking Queen of Greenland (don't forget that Epstein didn't off hisself) at June 04, 2020 07:31 PM (9hauA)

190 As for myself, I would never have the alcohol tolerance that I enjoy today were it not for seven strenuous years of undergraduate education.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 04, 2020 07:31 PM (guGkK)

191 Aside from technical educations, I think " college" is about employing layabouts.

Posted by: tubal at June 04, 2020 07:25 PM (bCLt0)

At certain schools, in certain regions, they are also about football. And at least that is a productive money maker.

Posted by: Quint at June 04, 2020 07:31 PM (hHxp2)

192 174 Ummm, does anyone know where we go to collect on slave reparations?
Posted by: Elizabeth Warren at June 04, 2020 07:28 PM (SWfqM)

https://www.postallocations.com/sd/wounded-knee/wounded-knee

Posted by: Han Yolo at June 04, 2020 07:31 PM (k5hWy)

193 I assume most Morons already replied "Fuck You, War" for the prior post.

I'd add I'd rather see Civilization fall than turn it over to the left.

Posted by: DaveA at June 04, 2020 07:31 PM (FhXTo)

194 I heard that while it's hard to get into an Ivy (unless like Fredo Cuomo, you are from a wealthy prominent family), it's also hard to flunk out, and they grade inflate.
Posted by: chique l'African Viking Queen of Greenland (don't forget that Epstein didn't off hisself) at June 04, 2020 07:22 PM[//i]

Ahem.

Posted by: David "T-Rex Arms" Hogg at June 04, 2020 07:31 PM (DMUuz)

195 Jay, jeebus, hadn't seen that. Dropping standardized tests - as corrupted as they almost certainly have become - took my breath away. So now I'm here breathless, with one more thing I can literally not believe happening right in front of me.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 04, 2020 07:32 PM (El6T/)

196 The Citadel alumni had a guy from the admin on some virtual meeting - he said our roach motel was fine and funded, but he was hearing bad things from the mid tier schools that depend on the tuition from the full ride international students. They can't even get their visa applications filed.

Posted by: Jean at June 04, 2020 07:32 PM (B7KlG)

197 I often fantasize about our local community college seceding from the state system. It seems that we lose quality of instruction when so much conformity is imposed on us, not to mention the creeping SJW baloney.

But I don't see how it could happen.

Posted by: Emmie at June 04, 2020 07:32 PM (clsJu)

198 Posted by: Vito Corleone

So it only happened once and was word of mouth. Nice marketing you got there, Sad Dog.


Poser.

Posted by: deplorable unperson -To Mars! at June 04, 2020 07:32 PM (bGHB3)

199 Meh. College hasn't been funny since Aykroyd and Belushi were sophomores.

Posted by: Muldoon at June 04, 2020 07:32 PM (m45I2)

200 So no way to actually SEE if you can do the F'n coursework or not.
Posted by: Romeo13 at June 04, 2020 07:25 PM (NgKpN)


Yep. The idea, at least at UC, has been to admit various totally unqualified people* to do bogus majors, while also admitting a bunch of Chinese students who pay overseas tuition (yum!) and maintain to some extent the academic reputation of the UC campuses.

*When CA got rid of its exit exam, a ridiculously easy exam (per my kids) taken in the sophomore year of HS, and testing 10th grade grasp of English and eighth grade grasp of mathematics, the LAT featured kids gushing that now they could take up their place at, e.g., Berkeley. Because after flunking the test in their sophomore, junior, and senior years (same test, multiple shots on goal) they couldn't attend Berkeley.

But once the test was eliminated, it was "Cal, here I come!" Temporarily, at least.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 04, 2020 07:32 PM (YqDXo)

201 "UC now requires not only applicants for faculty positions but applicants for grad school - even in STEM subjects - to submit an essay on what they've done or will do to promote 'diversity' and support for LGBTQEIEIO."

I'm interested in one of your programs in the STEM wing of your university. As a grad school applicant and student, I will not do one f*cking thing to promote diversity or LGBTQEIEIO. Let me repeat. I will not do one f*cking thing to promote diversity or LGBTQEIEIO. That makes me the most qualified applicant you will consider. Thank you for your time. Just let me know when my first class starts.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at June 04, 2020 07:32 PM (HhXSr)

202 I listened to the AG Barr conference call today.
He is so soft spoken, I can barely hear him.
He is so calm, it's almost scary.

Posted by: navybrat, largely at large at June 04, 2020 07:32 PM (w7KSn)

203 I'd add I'd rather see Civilization fall than turn it over to the left.
Posted by: DaveA at June 04, 2020 07:31 PM (FhXTo)

That's what we in the business call "a tautology".

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 04, 2020 07:32 PM (6FeV1)

204 U Penn just announced no SAT requirement for 2021s

Posted by: SorryBlackOrchid at June 04, 2020 07:32 PM (j9HX3)

205 175
By the way, how are the Goucher Fighting Gonads doing in synchronized swimming this year?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero)


They couldn't stay below the water: they failed to descend.

Posted by: pep at June 04, 2020 07:33 PM (T6t7i)

206 FAPM? It was CAPM when I went to kollidge not too long back. Wonder why...


No, it was CAPM. I'm old, it was a long time ago, and I drink.

I was really trying to remember the right term. I can still explain D=(r-i)/G.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 04, 2020 07:33 PM (gd9RK)

207 This is not uncommon in PhD programs. At mine, I was told that no one ever got a C (not sure how accurate that is - I got perfect grades. Actually, that may not mean much if the only agrades are A, B and variations thereof, LOL. )
Posted by: chique l'African Viking Queen of Greenland (don't forget that Epstein didn't off hisself) at June 04, 2020 07:31 PM (9hauA)


Which PhD?

I'm not trolling, Horde, Her Royalness is as brilliant as she is lovely both inside and out.

We really don't deserve to muddy the hem of her garments with our Hordeness.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping up and down. at June 04, 2020 07:33 PM (GbPPJ)

208 NGU - I don't know, I seem to recall there have been campaigns in the past to identify Jewish-owned businesses. Can't remember details, one I recall was from the late 30s, in Europe somewhere?

Guys in funny looking uniforms, with boots, standing in front of the businesses.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 04, 2020 07:33 PM (El6T/)

209 184 By the way, how are the Goucher Fighting Gonads doing in synchronized swimming this year?

this season has been tainted by the virus

Posted by: REDACTED at June 04, 2020 07:33 PM (JgrP5)

210 Every time I see SJW I translate it to S&W. One of my insurance companies.

Posted by: Embarrassing Stain at June 04, 2020 07:33 PM (fpc+A)

211 I was just today telling a couple of my grandchildren that my dad paid for his college tuition by being the janitor at the school, and then paid for many of his siblings to attend college by remaining the janitor. He graduated in 1938 and tuition was $25.00.

Posted by: Chillin the most at June 04, 2020 07:33 PM (lonOK)

212 U Penn just announced no SAT requirement for 2021s
Posted by: SorryBlackOrchid at June 04, 2020 07:32 PM (j9HX3)



They should just change their name to Even U Penn and get it over with.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 04, 2020 07:33 PM (guGkK)

213 195 Jay, jeebus, hadn't seen that. Dropping standardized tests - as corrupted as they almost certainly have become - took my breath away. So now I'm here breathless, with one more thing I can literally not believe happening right in front of me.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 04, 2020 07:32 PM (El6T/)


Yeah, I couldn't believe it either. Then UC asked me for money. Good luck with that.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 04, 2020 07:34 PM (YqDXo)

214 They should just change their name to Even U Penn and get it over with.


heh! ok even I found that funny

Posted by: SorryBlackOrchid at June 04, 2020 07:34 PM (j9HX3)

215 Bander, why are you getting Math on the blog?

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping up and down. at June 04, 2020 07:34 PM (GbPPJ)

216 197 I often fantasize about our local community college seceding from the state system. It seems that we lose quality of instruction when so much conformity is imposed on us, not to mention the creeping SJW baloney.

But I don't see how it could happen.
Posted by: Emmie at June 04, 2020 07:32 PM (clsJu)

don't know what state you're in, but if it's like most State Systems that's where they get the bulk of their funding, not to mention automatic accreditation. So no, it won't happen.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 04, 2020 07:34 PM (V2Yro)

217 I'm waiting for The Conservative Case to Defund the Police and Go Full Zinn.

Posted by: Axeman at June 04, 2020 07:34 PM (Eicbe)

218 I listened to the AG Barr conference call today.

He is so soft spoken, I can barely hear him.

He is so calm, it's almost scary.

Posted by: navybrat, largely at large


If you're guilty, those are the guys you fear.

Posted by: pep at June 04, 2020 07:35 PM (T6t7i)

219 I was a chemistry major and did two years of undergraduate research, from which I got a publication in a good journal.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 04, 2020 07:29 PM


So, are you a Dihydrous Oxide or Oxygen Dihydride man?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 04, 2020 07:35 PM (DMUuz)

220 They couldn't stay below the water: they failed to descend.

Their training schedule is nuts.

Posted by: deplorable unperson -To Mars! at June 04, 2020 07:35 PM (bGHB3)

221 U Penn just announced no SAT requirement for 2021s
Posted by: SorryBlackOrchid at June 04, 2020 07:32 PM (j9HX3)

The only "standard" that will matter is the color of your skin...Back to the Future

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 04, 2020 07:35 PM (85Gof)

222 Which PhD?

I'm not trolling, Horde, Her Royalness is as brilliant as she is lovely both inside and out.

We really don't deserve to muddy the hem of her garments with our Hordeness.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping up and down. at June 04, 2020 07:33 PM (GbPPJ)

Your Majesty. *Curtsies*

Chem E.

Posted by: chique l'African Viking Queen of Greenland (don't forget that Epstein didn't off hisself) at June 04, 2020 07:35 PM (9hauA)

223 Can someone explain schools like Bryn Mawr to me? No engineering or the like, less difficult to get into than Duke or UNC, and still $250K+?

I get prestige to impress people who recognize the name and networking (and probably a closeness to schools where wealthy future husbands are learning to be wealthy in the future), but I don't really understand that type of school.

Is there something I'm not seeing? A pre-med or pre-law guaranteed "in" from name recognition once you apply for the next step?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - End the systemic racism of affirmative action at June 04, 2020 07:35 PM (rImxe)

224 @realDonaldTrump
I thought this letter from respected retired Marine and Super Star lawyer, John Dowd, would be of interest to the American People. Read it!



==

is there a better copy ?

Posted by: runner at June 04, 2020 07:35 PM (zr5Kq)

225 Bander, why are you getting Math on the blog?


Because I fucked up something simple and I'm trying to overcompensate. I'm sure you can't understand.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 04, 2020 07:36 PM (gd9RK)

226 Is that John Dowd (the one who wrote the letter to Mattis) Trump's former WH lawyer? The one who was impolitic enough to blurt out (in writing, I think) recently that he lumped Rosie in with the rest of the coup plotters?

Posted by: rhomboid at June 04, 2020 07:36 PM (El6T/)

227 Sparring with a half-wit troll? What's the fucking point? This is someone who fingers his ass and sniffs it.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 04, 2020 07:36 PM (oVJmc)

228 Your Majesty. *Curtsies*

Chem E.
Posted by: chique l'African Viking Queen of Greenland (don't forget that Epstein didn't off hisself) at June 04, 2020 07:35 PM (9hauA)


As I said, waaaaaaayyyyyy too good for us.

Also, you know, handy to have around for things what could need a chemical engineer.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping up and down. at June 04, 2020 07:36 PM (GbPPJ)

229 I went to a 4 year state school. First semester, tuition and fees, with biology chemistry, $87.50. Fall semester 1963. Dorm was $99.00 a semester with no meals. Mom sent me $25.00 a day to live on. She made $35.00 a week as the high school lunch room lady.

Posted by: Javems at June 04, 2020 07:36 PM (ofIwF)

230 College helped me get some jobs I wouldn't otherwise have got that I could have done out of HS because it was all on the job training, but they wouldn't have given the job to a non-college graduate. That said, college was much cheaper then.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 04, 2020 07:36 PM (r+sAi)

231 I can still explain D=(r-i)/G.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 04, 2020 07:33 PM (gd9RK

BANNED.

Posted by: chique l'African Viking Queen of Greenland (don't forget that Epstein didn't off hisself) at June 04, 2020 07:36 PM (9hauA)

232 I went to college in olddog's town.

Posted by: grammie winger at June 04, 2020 07:36 PM (lwiT4)

233 Not just "worthless" education. The fact that so many leave college with serious brain damage cannot be stressed enough. And the burning cities, too. Thanks Mom & Dad!! Smash the patriarchy!!

Posted by: Common Tater at June 04, 2020 07:36 PM (v6Osy)

234 So thankful to read an article about truth and accountability. Colleges like all businesses need to be viewed and measured with the value they bring. This is long past due.

Posted by: Kkpevoy at June 04, 2020 07:37 PM (8Bstv)

235 "is there a better copy ?"

It is a jpg file.
If you are trying to read it on a phone, good luck.

Posted by: navybrat, largely at large at June 04, 2020 07:37 PM (w7KSn)

236 Much four-year college is merely K-16

Posted by: Muldoon at June 04, 2020 07:37 PM (m45I2)

237 Also, you know, handy to have around for things what could need a chemical engineer.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping up and down. at June 04, 2020 07:36 PM (GbPPJ)

LOL. I've never actually worked as one, so I'll probably blow something up.

Posted by: chique l'African Viking Queen of Greenland (don't forget that Epstein didn't off hisself) at June 04, 2020 07:37 PM (9hauA)

238 Hadrian the Seventh: "In short, you get the education you work for."

So much this.

College is exactly what you put into it. If you're a striver, the degree is just part of your capabilities. In fact you probably didn't need the degree to begin with, but it used to serve as a backstop should you need it to strive for someone else.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at June 04, 2020 07:37 PM (HhXSr)

239 Glenn Reynolds was already taking note of law schools that were closing even before the Wuhan virus arrived.

Posted by: junior at June 04, 2020 07:37 PM (Sl31V)

240


I have a theory that all the ass kissing of black students is to get them there for the financial circle jerk.

If these places lose Chinese $, it could get ugly.

Posted by: Rev. Dr. E Buzz Miller, Lesbian at June 04, 2020 07:38 PM (lg/F7)

241 223
Can someone explain schools like Bryn Mawr to me? No engineering or the
like, less difficult to get into than Duke or UNC, and still $250K+?


I wonder if it's like the old Brit aristocracy. If you're worth a damn, you go to Hahhhhvad (Oxbridge). If not, well there's always Bryn Mawr (Edinburgh), where you can mingle with other mediocrities of your class.

Posted by: pep at June 04, 2020 07:38 PM (T6t7i)

242 I have family members who went to Ivy League colleges. Columbia and Princeton. But they are exceptions. They would shoot you dead with the arms they always carry and are ardent supporters of our republic and the Constitution. But they aren't the kind of people anyone would pick on. I think both girls are also martial arts experts.

Posted by: Hesco Gypsy, staring from 457 meters at June 04, 2020 07:38 PM (BxH25)

243 U Penn just announced no SAT requirement for 2021s
Posted by: SorryBlackOrchid at June 04, 2020 07:32 PM (j9HX3)


The universities dropping the SAT have not thought this through, which doesn't surprise me because they're run by idiots.

Whether they realize it or not, they're moving toward the Ohio State model, which takes all comers, but then applies a vicious attrition rate. I can't imagine that that makes for a happy environment.

The alternative is to have a bunch of watered-down courses, but in my experience with UC's various spasms of admitting ghetto kids, they drop out quickly even from watered-down courses because they're bored.

So, if you're not to screen for academic skills, how to avoid blowing a hole in the student body? Over-admit, and then weed them out (or let them weed themselves out) later.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 04, 2020 07:38 PM (YqDXo)

244 LOL. I've never actually worked as one, so I'll probably blow something up.


I think that's alex's point.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 04, 2020 07:38 PM (gd9RK)

245 Because I fucked up something simple and I'm trying to overcompensate. I'm sure you can't understand.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 04, 2020 07:36 PM (gd9RK)



Me? Of course not!

*plots out the most grammatically complicated sentence to type so as to drive to tears those who are compelled to diagram sentences in their head as they read*

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping up and down. at June 04, 2020 07:39 PM (GbPPJ)

246 Oberlin delenda est
Posted by: Anna Puma
--------

We will rise from the ashes. We are Progressives!

Posted by: Burlington College at June 04, 2020 07:39 PM (AytXr)

247 My youngest daughter went to Columbia and got in easily. At first I was very proud of her but after four years I thought it was the dumbest expenditure of money I've ever made. She disagrees and knows pretty fucking well what my attitudes are on education but I think I'm right. It's a moot point now and she's pretty happy in life although her sister is probably more professionally accomplished at a much less expensive price tag.

I haven't watched the education guy in the post yet but I'm positive it's red meat nutrition for moi.

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 04, 2020 07:39 PM (y7DUB)

248 00 PM (+ypKa)
-----------------------

Who is "Uncle Leon" that Dowd refers to?

Not enough righteous indignation for me though 'B-"

Posted by: browndog at June 04, 2020 07:09 PM (BgMrQ)


Panetta

Posted by: Braenyard at June 04, 2020 07:39 PM (ix2vz)

249 I went to a 4 year state school. First semester, tuition and fees, with biology chemistry, $87.50. Fall semester 1963. Dorm was $99.00 a semester with no meals. Mom sent me $25.00 a day to live on. She made $35.00 a week as the high school lunch room lady.

-

I remember reading something about the 90s being the last time you could work through the year and realistically afford to pay for college as you went.

Interestingly, it all changed right around the time when educators began insisting everyone was college material and should take out loans to go to college. For some weird reason the costs starting shooting up soon after.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - End the systemic racism of affirmative action at June 04, 2020 07:40 PM (rImxe)

250 One thing to keep in mind about theses filthy rich elite universities-- they're greedy AF.

they'll never dip into the endowments-- they will go hard for more government money.

Expect to see a shitload of "studies" on why the student loan program needs expanded

Then they'll cut student services and raise tuition

But they'll never use their money to run the place

Posted by: RoyalOil at June 04, 2020 07:40 PM (aO8Gd)

251
is there a better copy ?
Posted by: runner at June 04, 2020 07:35 PM (zr5Kq)

If you click on it on Twitter it can be enlarged.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 04, 2020 07:40 PM (+eVzC)

252 Hmmm.....lots of useless institutions that should have gone the way of the dodo years ago are about to die?

I'll just leave this here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vqbk9cDX0l0

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 04, 2020 07:40 PM (rBtIz)

253 Gretchen Whitmer Violates Own Social Distancing Order During Protest, Chants Hands Up Dont Shoot

The dope cunt has the wrong protest. wasn't the magic negro President when THAT happened

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 04, 2020 07:40 PM (85Gof)

254 And, of course, the biggest thing about the end of colleges--
--no Leftist indoctrination.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 04, 2020 07:40 PM (oVJmc)

255 plots out the most grammatically complicated sentence to type so as to drive to tears those who are compelled to diagram sentences in their head as they read*
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping up and down. at June 04, 2020 07:39 PM (GbPPJ)

LOL. I think this is what they do in SJW journals and articles. Just that they also use made-up words.

Posted by: chique l'African Viking Queen of Greenland (don't forget that Epstein didn't off hisself) at June 04, 2020 07:40 PM (9hauA)

256 I went to the University of Real Life.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 04, 2020 07:41 PM (wO3uY)

257 If the chinese and indian (dot) cannot get visas, the Univ. of California (and USC too) will go bankrupt. They really count on that out-of-state tuition.

Posted by: JAS at June 04, 2020 07:41 PM (2BZBZ)

258 The money it costs per student in public school is/was $100/day, minimum (I think). You could get 4 kids pooled and hire them their own teacher that comes TO YOU with that money. And probably do k-12 in 6 years.

Posted by: Menack at June 04, 2020 07:41 PM (buTO7)

259 79-year old John Dowd who most Marines' reaction is "whodafuq?" - lol

Posted by: Vito Corleone at June 04, 2020 07:41 PM (IqfdE)

260 The Hope Scholarship in Georgia has paid a good bit of our boy's tuition. It's funded by the lottery, which I call a tax on stupidity. Funny how that works out huh?

Posted by: freaked at June 04, 2020 07:41 PM (FicNg)

261 Here's a better site to read the letter.

Scroll down past the one they show from Trump.

https://tinyurl.com/yd4h6nej

Posted by: Tami at June 04, 2020 07:41 PM (cF8AT)

262 I remember reading something about the 90s being the last time you could work through the year and realistically afford to pay for college as you went.

Interestingly, it all changed right around the time when educators began insisting everyone was college material and should take out loans to go to college. For some weird reason the costs starting shooting up soon after.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - End the systemic racism of affirmative action at June 04, 2020 07:40 PM (rImxe)



I was just going to post that a Michigan State grad did the math several years ago and determined it was in the late 90's that tuition, fees, room and board, etc. at Michigan State went up to the point that you couldn't do the traditional work during the summer and maybe 10 hours a week during school and pay your way through.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping up and down. at June 04, 2020 07:41 PM (GbPPJ)

263 Trump just torched Murkowski on Twitter

Posted by: Mark1971 at June 04, 2020 07:41 PM (xPl2J)

264 I have a theory that all the ass kissing of black students is to get them there for the financial circle jerk.

If these places lose Chinese $, it could get ugly.

Posted by: Rev. Dr. E Buzz Miller, Lesbian at June 04, 2020 07:38 PM (lg/F7)


I can't wait to see the impact of the Kung Flu (and the various scandals involving China) on UC's business model. Importing a buttload Chinese students to pay full fare and keep up the academic reputation? Maybe not. Then what? UC can't keep offering free tuition to its favored demographics without that good good Chinese dosh coming in.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 04, 2020 07:41 PM (YqDXo)

265 I went to the University of Real Life.
Posted by: Ben Had at June 04, 2020 07:41 PM (wO3uY)

Is that the Sister School of "hard knocks"

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 04, 2020 07:42 PM (85Gof)

266 This is someone who fingers his ass and sniffs it.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 04, 2020 07:36 PM


You say that like it's a Bad Thing.

Posted by: Don Lemon at June 04, 2020 07:42 PM (DMUuz)

267 UC now requires not only applicants for faculty positions but applicants for grad school - even in STEM subjects - to submit an essay on what they've done or will do to promote "diversity" and support for LGBTQEIEIO.

That's outrageous.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 04, 2020 07:22 PM (YqDXo)

Shit like that has been going on for a long time, even in high level science programs...which is why they is less serious improtant research going on
Posted by: Nevergiveup

"I will, with the help of your esteemed staff and gorgeous resources, endeavor to invent and develop room temperature superconducting wires. This will grossly enrich me and this fine institution. This will deliver inexpensive energy to the less fortunate allowing them to thrive, and allow you to fund lavish diversity programs and scholarships."

Done, where do I sign

Posted by: Jean at June 04, 2020 07:42 PM (B7KlG)

268 Gretchen Whitmer Violates Own Social Distancing Order During Protest, Chants Hands Up Dont Shoot




They shot Floyd? Was it with Barney's one bullet?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 04, 2020 07:42 PM (+E3TQ)

269 Glenn Reynolds was already taking note of law schools that were closing even before the Wuhan virus arrived.
Posted by: junior at June 04, 2020 07:37 PM (Sl31V)


It's not like there isn't a glut of Patterico level retards.

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 04, 2020 07:42 PM (y7DUB)

270 LOL. I think this is what they do in SJW journals and articles. Just that they also use made-up words.

Posted by: chique l'African Viking Queen of Greenland (don't forget that
Epstein didn't off hisself) at June 04, 2020 07:40 PM (9hauA)


Hey! I'm being otherized. Everyone come see the otherization inherent in the system!

Posted by: pep at June 04, 2020 07:42 PM (T6t7i)

271 If you click on it on Twitter it can be enlarged.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 04, 2020 07:40 PM


Aren't we doing "phrasing" anymore?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 04, 2020 07:42 PM (rBtIz)

272 From towards the beginning of the WuHuFlu thing, I've been thinking a nice body blow would be coming in the form of students from Chi-Nah not coming back this fall, thus depriving universities of the big $$$ (communist party money) they bring.

Friend runs a summer institute that normally has interesting visa challenges as they bring in people from all over the world, especially f***ed up conflict zones - thing is already cancelled, so can't use his data to get a read on the visa thing.

But I noted right after Trump's statement last week on Chi-Nah that we'd just seen the big course change on China policy, no more "compartmentalizing" trade from everything else. All on the table now. I would hope/expect that to include the Chinese student issue, a massive security and economic and sovereignty issue in its own right.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 04, 2020 07:42 PM (El6T/)

273 249 I went to a 4 year state school. First semester, tuition and fees, with biology chemistry, $87.50. Fall semester 1963. Dorm was $99.00 a semester with no meals. Mom sent me $25.00 a day to live on. She made $35.00 a week as the high school lunch room lady.


I had a $125.00 scholarship.
It covered tuition and books.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 04, 2020 07:43 PM (ix2vz)

274 I never had to take any of the bs sjw crap they have now either, but I suspect that is true for all of us here.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 04, 2020 07:43 PM (r+sAi)

275 257 If the chinese and indian (dot) cannot get visas, the Univ. of California (and USC too) will go bankrupt. They really count on that out-of-state tuition.
Posted by: JAS at June 04, 2020 07:41 PM (2BZBZ)


I know. It's good, isn't it?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 04, 2020 07:43 PM (YqDXo)

276 If you're worth a damn, you go to Hahhhhvad (Oxbridge). If not, well there's always Bryn Mawr (Edinburgh), where you can mingle with other mediocrities of your class.
Posted by: pep at June 04, 2020 07:38 PM

Where does Cambridge fit in this equation?

Posted by: Rusty Nail at June 04, 2020 07:43 PM (h7JOx)

277 Goucher Fighting Gonads

***********

I thought the Fighting Gonads were at Ball State...

Posted by: Muldoon at June 04, 2020 07:44 PM (m45I2)

278 I went to the University of Real Life.

Posted by: Ben Had



How did you get there? I don't just mean hard work, I want a story. I think we all deserve a story.

You're a farrier. You're a horse trainer. I believe you board horses. You own great swaths of Texas where you can farry and shoot things.

Please tell the Horde your story. Storytelling is good.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 04, 2020 07:44 PM (gd9RK)

279 250 One thing to keep in mind about theses filthy rich elite universities-- they're greedy AF.

they'll never dip into the endowments-- they will go hard for more government money.


Harvard is a hedge fund that fronts as a university.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 04, 2020 07:44 PM (ix2vz)

280 276
If you're worth a damn, you go to Hahhhhvad (Oxbridge). If not, well
there's always Bryn Mawr (Edinburgh), where you can mingle with other
mediocrities of your class.

Posted by: pep at June 04, 2020 07:38 PM



Where does Cambridge fit in this equation?

Posted by: Rusty Nail


Oxbridge is the common shorthand for Oxford and Cambridge.

Posted by: pep at June 04, 2020 07:45 PM (T6t7i)

281 "Trump just torched Murkowski on Twitter"



That was hilarious, "get anybody ready Alaska, I'll endorse"

Posted by: lowandslow at June 04, 2020 07:45 PM (Mr80f)

282 256 I went to the University of Real Life.
Posted by: Ben Had at June 04, 2020 07:41 PM (wO3uY)

me too but I got expelled

Posted by: REDACTED at June 04, 2020 07:45 PM (JgrP5)

283 I talked to an interesting customer once. She told me that she decided to go to community college. They tried to steer everyone into the medical fields. She took construction. She wound up getting hired for a state construction crew. The ones that went into the medical fields had problems because there were too many new grads trying for those jobs.

She was a single mom and planned to go into professional photography when her son was older and she had more money stashed.

Posted by: notsothoreau at June 04, 2020 07:45 PM (JKNZq)

284 I never had to take any of the bs sjw crap they have now either, but I suspect that is true for all of us here.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 04, 2020 07:43 PM (r+sAi)

I did. But only because I waited until I was 44 to go to college.

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 04, 2020 07:45 PM (OzQGF)

285 I had a $125.00 scholarship.
It covered tuition and books.
Posted by: Braenyard at June 04, 2020 07:43 PM (ix2vz)


The Federal Reserve can barely cover textbooks nowadays. It's outrageous.

If I were teaching undergrad math, I'd adopt a free textbook from Project Gutenberg. There are some great books available there, free.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 04, 2020 07:45 PM (YqDXo)

286 Here Alex,

https://uberhumor.com/wp-content
/uploads/2020/06/86283658.jpg

Possible retirement home?
Revolt in progress?

Posted by: DaveA at June 04, 2020 07:45 PM (FhXTo)

287 Skipping to the bottom to make this point:

I am a traditionalist. I graduated from a small Southern women's college called Sweet Briar in the mid-80s. It faced closing and arose like a phoenix. It has a terrific program for women, including engineering. The campus is beautiful and safe.

If your daughters are looking for a true education, check it out.

PS. in my years at college, I never heard any of my professor ever mention anything political.

Posted by: Goddessoftheclassrom at June 04, 2020 07:45 PM (vLoLa)

288 They'll want to take in more Chinese students. The Chinese government pays full tuition for them. Of course, they steal our technological secrets, but universities don't mind.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&&V at June 04, 2020 07:45 PM (HabA/)

289 I went to school in New Orleans. The engineering school had a good reputation, based largely on their development of the Tulane highway.

Posted by: Muldoon at June 04, 2020 07:45 PM (m45I2)

290 @realDonaldTrump 8m

Few people know where they'll be in two years from now, but I do, in the Great State of Alaska (which I love) campaigning against Senator Lisa Murkowski. She voted against HealthCare, Justice Kavanaugh, and much else...

...Unrelated, I gave Alaska ANWR, major highways, and more. Get any candidate ready, good or bad, I don't care, I'm endorsing. If you have a pulse, I'm with you!


OMG!

Posted by: Tami at June 04, 2020 07:46 PM (cF8AT)

291 NGU, it was the U only fuck up once.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 04, 2020 07:46 PM (wO3uY)

292 Without Obama making federalized loans this would have happened in 2010.


Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at June 04, 2020 07:46 PM (pw+jk)

293 U Penn just announced no SAT requirement for 2021s
Posted by: SorryBlackOrchid at June 04, 2020 07:32 PM (j9HX3)
---
If this catches on, we might see businesses that don't just want to SJW all day, stop worrying about college degrees, especially if they become worthless.

Posted by: Axeman at June 04, 2020 07:46 PM (Eicbe)

294 Fuck 'em all.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 04, 2020 07:46 PM (NWiLs)

295 I went to college but the only thing I learned was that I didn't want to go to college.

Posted by: freaked at June 04, 2020 07:46 PM (FicNg)

296 Where does Cambridge fit in this equation?
Posted by: Rusty Nail at June 04, 2020 07:43 PM (h7JOx)

I read somewhere Oxford is for the rich toffs who want to study stuff that is not of practical use today (probably go into politics or be a scholar/ intellectual) and Cambridge is for the toffs who want to study more practical stuff.

I went to the Oxford website a couple of years ago and was stunned at how few majors they have.

Posted by: chique l'African Viking Queen of Greenland (don't forget that Epstein didn't off hisself) at June 04, 2020 07:46 PM (9hauA)

297 Look at the real-dollar comparisons of inflation in any/all price categories, vs. higher education, for the last 30 years.

Yeah. One of the most dramatic and head-shaking things you'll see.

Especially darkly funny when you include a medical cost curve, for comparison. Of course, while horribly over- and mis-regulated and with now totally govt-corrupted finances, medical care actually delivers amazing services, approaching science-fiction in some areas these days. Higher education? Yeah.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 04, 2020 07:47 PM (El6T/)

298 Oh, I almost forgot to tell all the administrators and college faculty... LEARN TO CODE BITCHES.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at June 04, 2020 07:47 PM (pw+jk)

299 Employers are watching this unfolding shitshow and are thinking to themselves, "you know, I think we need to hire more H-1Bs."

These dumb fucks don't realize they're on display for their future bosses.

Unless they have trust funds.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at June 04, 2020 07:47 PM (DY3v8)

300 Does anyone know how conservative colleges like Hillsdale are doing? I would think that there is so little competition in that niche they must be getting quality applicants and making some pretty nice bank besides.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 04, 2020 07:47 PM (guGkK)

301 If the chinese and indian (dot) cannot get visas, the Univ. of California (and USC too) will go bankrupt. They really count on that out-of-state tuition.

Posted by: JAS at June 04, 2020 07:41 PM (2BZBZ)

Not USC, not anytime soon. They're sitting on a multi-billion dollar endowment. And they can always take the under-achieving children if the rich and famous.

Posted by: Chunk Hunger at June 04, 2020 07:47 PM (uhPTO)

302 The money it costs per student in public school is/was $100/day, minimum (I think). You could get 4 kids pooled and hire them their own teacher that comes TO YOU with that money. And probably do k-12 in 6 years.
Posted by: Menack at June 04, 2020 07:41 PM (buTO7)



There are already job postings going up of people looking for governesses. Oh, it's listed as private educator but that's what it is.

It makes sense. If you have three kids, it would be cheaper to pay someone, say, $40k and room and board, rather than three sets of private school tuition. Plus you don't have to pay for day care. You'll come out ahead.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping up and down. at June 04, 2020 07:47 PM (GbPPJ)

303 I remember reading something about the 90s being the
last time you could work through the year and realistically afford to
pay for college as you went.



Interestingly, it all changed right around the time when educators
began insisting everyone was college material and should take out loans
to go to college. For some weird reason the costs starting shooting up
soon after.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - End the systemic racism of affirmative action at June 04, 2020 07:40 PM (rImxe)


I had never even heard of loans to go to school until my son wrangled one. He paid off his loans with his Iraq earnings.

Posted by: Javems at June 04, 2020 07:48 PM (ofIwF)

304 And I don't have a degree. Did two years in Stanislaus State, dropped out when I got married. Went back to community college in my 40s. I took a bunch of classes towards a transfer for a business degree, but decided I didn't want to spend any more time in school.

Posted by: notsothoreau at June 04, 2020 07:48 PM (JKNZq)

305 The blue state voter migration is why NC has a Dem governor and is still in lockdown.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at June 04, 2020 07:48 PM (EZD3+)

306 That oughta put Murkowski back on the pipe.

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 04, 2020 07:48 PM (y7DUB)

307 This professor's doomsday prediction for colleges will help build pressure in blue states to open schools in the fall.

Posted by: FloridaMan at June 04, 2020 07:48 PM (r28kI)

308 There are about 205 law schools in the United States. At least 50 of them should close immediately because they are not needed. However, the American Bar Association runs a nice scam to flood the market with new lawyers, some of whom will never will get a job as a lawyer.

But the law professors, many of whom never tried a case in their career, make big bank based on unlimited student loans.

This is in contrast to medical schools, which limit the supply of doctors by having small medical school classes and a smallish supply of schools.

Posted by: mercenary13 at June 04, 2020 07:48 PM (/iKPb)

309 Please tell the Horde your story. Storytelling is good.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 04, 2020 07:44 PM


Have you never heard of oral tradition? Some stories are best told as the fire is burning low at a MoMe.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 04, 2020 07:49 PM (DMUuz)

310 >> I never had to take any of the bs sjw crap they have now either, but I suspect that is true for all of us here.


It was just starting back in the early 90s and you could still fight it and refuse to participate if you knew your Unitversity Codes and By Laws.

It was even enjoyable to do it, as at that time you still had some rights as a student.

Posted by: garrett at June 04, 2020 07:49 PM (ciADK)

311 Chem E.
Posted by: chique l'African Viking Queen of Greenland (don't forget that Epstein didn't off hisself) at June 04, 2020 07:35 PM (9hauA)


Good for you! Just like Jack Welch!

In industry business guys used to deprecate scientists/engineers as too narrow, asserting a preference for those equally dull in all areas.

I used to say "you mean like Jack Welch?" whom they idolized.

Yes, they'd agree.

"Oh, you mean DOCTOR Jack Welch, with a Ph.D. in chemical engineering. THAT Jack Welch?"

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 04, 2020 07:49 PM (YqDXo)

312 300 Does anyone know how conservative colleges like Hillsdale are doing? I would think that there is so little competition in that niche they must be getting quality applicants and making some pretty nice bank besides.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 04, 2020 07:47 PM (guGkK)

Tuition, room, board and fees are about $40k there.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 04, 2020 07:49 PM (NWiLs)

313 @realDonaldTrump 8m



Few people know where they'll be in two years from now, but I do, in
the Great State of Alaska (which I love) campaigning against Senator
Lisa Murkowski. She voted against HealthCare, Justice Kavanaugh, and
much else...



...Unrelated, I gave Alaska ANWR, major highways, and more. Get any
candidate ready, good or bad, I don't care, I'm endorsing. If you have a
pulse, I'm with you!





OMG!

Posted by: Tami at June 04, 2020 07:46 PM (cF8AT)


If you have a pulse...ahahahahahahahahaha

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 04, 2020 07:49 PM (+E3TQ)

314
LOL. I think this is what they do in SJW journals and articles. Just that they also use made-up words.
Posted by: chique l'African Viking Queen
-------

This reached it's peak in The Sokal Affair. The Modern Language people and the deconstructionist went absolutely ballistic when the hoax was revealed...by Sokal himself. https://tinyurl.com/pgf8ybc

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 04, 2020 07:49 PM (l0Lgi)

315 I talked to an interesting customer once. She told me that she decided to go to community college. They tried to steer everyone into the medical fields. She took construction. She wound up getting hired for a state construction crew. The ones that went into the medical fields had problems because there were too many new grads trying for those jobs.

-

I don't know if they still work this way, but community colleges used to be great for people who wanted the practical understanding of the field. Turns out a lot of instructors were teaching as a second job that they enjoyed and were enthusiastic about, and their regular job was in said field out in the real world.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - End the systemic racism of affirmative action at June 04, 2020 07:49 PM (rImxe)

316 Insom, with a red hot poker.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 04, 2020 07:49 PM (wO3uY)

317 It makes sense. If you have three kids, it would be cheaper to pay
someone, say, $40k and room and board, rather than three sets of private
school tuition. Plus you don't have to pay for day care. You'll come
out ahead.[/i/]

That only works if you aren't still on the hook for the tax bill to keep the school system afloat. I know lots of people who both pay high taxes and private school tuition, the latter of which can be as expensive as college.

Posted by: pep at June 04, 2020 07:49 PM (T6t7i)

318 Muldoon, NOLA musta been great as a college town. I'm thinking of all the non-academic aspects, as is my wont.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 04, 2020 07:50 PM (El6T/)

Posted by: pep at June 04, 2020 07:50 PM (T6t7i)

320
I grew up watching Good Times in the 70's as a very young child. Grievances and bitching and hardship and The Man keeping them down, etc.

Then, The Cosby Show came along in 1984 and the American black family was shown in a whole new light. And it was well received. The Cosbys put to rest all the bullshit we endured in the 60's and 70's with the racial shit. It was a new beginning of a post-racial time.

But the Racists didn't like that so they continued to stoke the racist fires. By 1992, thanks to Los Angeles and the TV news, the black community was set back 30 years and never recovered, but got even worse.

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at June 04, 2020 07:50 PM (FaJmP)

321 My sister and I watched the first night of teachers facing off against each other on "Jeopardy." The questions seemed very easy. My sister said, "Have they dumbed down Jeopardy for the teachers?"

The teachers couldn't even answer the "Education" questions correctly.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&&V at June 04, 2020 07:50 PM (HabA/)

322 Goucher Fighting Gonads

***********

I thought the Fighting Gonads were at Ball State...
Posted by: Muldoon at June 04, 2020 07:44 PM (m45I2)


They had to change their name to stay eligible for federal funds. In compliance with Title IX it's now Ball & Ovary State .

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 04, 2020 07:50 PM (guGkK)

323 'Center For Kids That Can't Read Good' graduate here. Never looked back!

Posted by: Menack at June 04, 2020 07:50 PM (buTO7)

324 "23 Imagine what and how all public schools will teach about these riots in the fall.


Including universities.

100% anti American lies.

Posted by: National Divorce at June 04, 2020 07:02 PM (SJDa9)"




Hopefully something like this:


https://tinyurl.com/y7why6na

click on the image to embiggen

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at June 04, 2020 07:50 PM (0IMgo)

325 Not USC, not anytime soon. They're sitting on a multi-billion dollar
endowment. And they can always take the under-achieving children if the
rich and famous.


OH, SURE, *NOW*.

Posted by: Lori Loughlin, Prisoner #8924725 at June 04, 2020 07:50 PM (oVJmc)

326 Trump could drop in at Chilkoot Charleys in Anchorage any time and find a more worthy candidate.

Around 3 in the afternoon on a Wednesday.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at June 04, 2020 07:50 PM (DY3v8)

327 Have you never heard of oral tradition? Some stories are best told as the fire is burning low at a MoMe.


Yeah but that's October for christfuckingsake. I want now.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 04, 2020 07:50 PM (gd9RK)

328 316 Insom, with a red hot poker.
Posted by: Ben Had at June 04, 2020 07:49 PM (wO3uY)

Word.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 04, 2020 07:50 PM (NWiLs)

329 The no SAT movement is real, and growing and designed to exclude Asians. That's all it is.

Posted by: Asscheeks of Saturn at June 04, 2020 07:51 PM (Jj+59)

330 And the other interesting thing that no one seems to talk about, the medical profession is admitting that the hospitals can't survive unless people go in for medical procedures. They are scared to death that people won't come in for that any more.

Posted by: notsothoreau at June 04, 2020 07:51 PM (JKNZq)

331 Nood

Posted by: Hawkpilot at June 04, 2020 07:51 PM (hLCC2)

332 289 I went to school in New Orleans. The engineering school had a good reputation, based largely on their development of the Tulane highway.

Posted by: Muldoon at June 04, 2020 07:45 PM (m45I2)


ooooooooh

Posted by: Braenyard at June 04, 2020 07:51 PM (ix2vz)

333 >>It makes sense. If you have three kids, it would be cheaper to pay someone, say, $40k and room and board, rather than three sets of private school tuition. Plus you don't have to pay for day care. You'll come out ahead.


You are still getting fleeced by the State for Property Taxes, unfortunately.

I was thinking about hiring an au pair, but a governess might be a better option.

Posted by: garrett at June 04, 2020 07:51 PM (ciADK)

334 Oh and in every one of my SJW classes I wrote papers refuting the bullshit they were trying to push.

Like one class was some multiracial bullshit, and they showed us a Vice video about the poor crop picking immigrants who just want to come to America for a better life, and got run out by ICE. Then the farmers couldn't get any Americans to work as hard as the immigrants.

My paper stated that stereotyping was bad, even if you are trying to make the ethnicity look good ("look how hard those brown people work!") and that farmers just wanted illegal labor so they could pay them less than citizens. I got an A.

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 04, 2020 07:51 PM (OzQGF)

335 329 The no SAT movement is real, and growing and designed to exclude Asians. That's all it is.
Posted by: Asscheeks of Saturn at June 04, 2020 07:51 PM (Jj+59)

Yep.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 04, 2020 07:51 PM (NWiLs)

336 290 @realDonaldTrump 8m

Few people know where they'll be in two years from now, but I do, in the Great State of Alaska (which I love) campaigning against Senator Lisa Murkowski. She voted against HealthCare, Justice Kavanaugh, and much else...

...Unrelated, I gave Alaska ANWR, major highways, and more. Get any candidate ready, good or bad, I don't care, I'm endorsing. If you have a pulse, I'm with you!


OMG!
Posted by: Tami at June 04, 2020 07:46 PM (cF8AT)


ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?

Posted by: Maximus Trump at June 04, 2020 07:51 PM (k5hWy)

337 Merky is only a republican just because Alaska is. She votes against all the important things we care about. Always has.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 04, 2020 07:51 PM (r+sAi)

338 I remember reading something about the 90s being the last time you could work through the year and realistically afford to pay for college as you went.

Interestingly, it all changed right around the time when educators began insisting everyone was college material and should take out loans to go to college. For some weird reason the costs starting shooting up soon after.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - End the systemic racism of affirmative action at June 04, 2020 07:40 PM

Wayne State University was a commuter-friendly college in the mid-to-late '90s. The president, David Adamani, kept tuition increases low and put money into restoring existing buildings (e.g. the original college building with its Art Deco tile). Because of that, students could actually write off part of their tuition on state taxes - which was great.

As soon as he left, tuition was raised AND fees were added that had no benefit to commuters or evening-class students. I paid for parking lots that closed early (the high-rise parking structure cost $1 to $2 a day and was an easy, safe walk from almost any building). I paid for a rec center that had faculty-only hours at the only times I could have used it. And the increase was such that it exceeded the state tax limits.

Posted by: NaughtyPine at June 04, 2020 07:51 PM (/+bwe)

339 289
I went to school in New Orleans. The engineering school had a good
reputation, based largely on their development of the Tulane highway.

Posted by: Muldoon at June 04, 2020 07:45 PM (m45I2)


I played basketball and baseball for the Greenwave! High school that is. Probably could have played for Tulane had they seen me play.

Posted by: Javems at June 04, 2020 07:51 PM (ofIwF)

340 It makes sense. If you have three kids, it would be cheaper to pay someone, say, $40k and room and board, rather than three sets of private school tuition. Plus you don't have to pay for day care. You'll come out ahead.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping up and down. at June 04, 2020 07:47 PM (GbPPJ)

-

This. I've already cleared it with the wife. She gets final say, of course, but when we suddenly become billionaires the kids won't miss a day of school as we take field trips to Italy, Alaska, etc.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - End the systemic racism of affirmative action at June 04, 2020 07:51 PM (rImxe)

341 There are already job postings going up of people looking for governesses. Oh, it's listed as private educator but that's what it is.

It makes sense. If you have three kids, it would be cheaper to pay someone, say, $40k and room and board, rather than three sets of private school tuition. Plus you don't have to pay for day care. You'll come out ahead.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping up and down. at June 04, 2020 07:47 PM (GbPPJ)


It's going to be hilarious when the hard right gen z grows up and gravitates back towards stay at home mothers and young ladies hired as governesses. This is what feminism hath wrought.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at June 04, 2020 07:51 PM (SgjGX)

342 @320, you're not allowed to note the contradictions. You're not allowed to know what the correct terminology is, whether it's black, African-American, people of color, etc.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at June 04, 2020 07:51 PM (DY3v8)

343 Posted by: DaveA at June 04, 2020 07:45 PM (FhXTo)

Linky no worky

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping up and down. at June 04, 2020 07:52 PM (GbPPJ)

344 I read somewhere Oxford is for the rich toffs who want to study stuff that is not of practical use today (probably go into politics or be a scholar/ intellectual) and Cambridge is for the toffs who want to study more practical stuff.

Not true.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 04, 2020 07:52 PM (YqDXo)

345 Chunk beat me to it - USC has its own money.

And call me a pessimist, I don't see the gang of idiots running CA, in every office elected and otherwise, letting UC "suffer".

Posted by: rhomboid at June 04, 2020 07:52 PM (El6T/)

346 I know I've told this story before, but whatever...

At my last full time job I was a court clerk. A real butch looking girl came before the judge with a request for legal name change. Being friendly, the judge noted that she was a student at Rutgers, and asked her what her major was. She responded that she had just graduated with her Masters, so the judge asked her what her thesis was. Her reply:

The History of Lesbian Sado-Masochism in America

Posted by: IrishEi at June 04, 2020 07:52 PM (sGotD)

347 It's right about here that I mention that we once had a vibrant manufacturing sector where anyone with the aptitude could get OJT through formal apprenticeships and rise up through the ranks, gaining valuable hands-on experience that would serve as the foundation of a good career. College was always an option for those who wanted to advance, too. So was ownership of a bidness.

Alas, Progressive politicians were allowed to kill that. We could have that again, if we chose to do so.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #WASTF at June 04, 2020 07:52 PM (HaL55)

348 Knew another young woman that read "Your Money or Your Life" when in high school. She learned how to cut gem stones. She was bicycling round the country. She had a bag of rough cut stone, that she could cut into gem quality and sell if she needed to. And she could find work with those skills.

Posted by: notsothoreau at June 04, 2020 07:53 PM (JKNZq)

349 One thing that pisses me off is how it seems like community colleges are increasingly hostile to working students. There are no classes available at night anymore. Want to take calc 3, or Diff Eq? Noon three days a week. Programming class? 10am.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at June 04, 2020 07:53 PM (SgjGX)

350 Fuck 'em all.



I did !

Posted by: Zombie Wilt Chamberlain at June 04, 2020 07:53 PM (786Ro)

351 The only person I kneel for is Mistress Seizure, and only after 11pm on Friday nights, and only because I need to be disciplined.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at June 04, 2020 07:53 PM (DY3v8)

352 329 The no SAT movement is real, and growing and designed to exclude Asians. That's all it is.
Posted by: Asscheeks of Saturn at June 04, 2020 07:51 PM (Jj+59)


An more broadly, to obviate invidious comparisons of the relative SAT performance of various demographics.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 04, 2020 07:54 PM (YqDXo)

353 And call me a pessimist, I don't see the gang of idiots running CA, in every office elected and otherwise, letting UC "suffer".
Posted by: rhomboid at June 04, 2020 07:52 PM (El6T/)


I'm afraid you're right. They're going to jack taxes up through the roof to support UC and all the other idiotic programs that they hold so dear.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 04, 2020 07:56 PM (YqDXo)

354 That oughta put Murkowski back on the pipe.

Posted by: Captain Hate

ha ha ha, excellent!

Posted by: old chick at June 04, 2020 07:56 PM (sOete)

355 @352 ... I see someone scored 800 on the Verbal battery.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at June 04, 2020 07:56 PM (DY3v8)

356 One thing that pisses me off is how it seems like community colleges are increasingly hostile to working students. There are no classes available at night anymore. Want to take calc 3, or Diff Eq? Noon three days a week. Programming class? 10am.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at June 04, 2020 07:53 PM (SgjGX)

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Jeez, that stinks. The entire point is to give working people and opportunity to attend. Well, was. I guess it's just Short College now.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - End the systemic racism of affirmative action at June 04, 2020 07:56 PM (rImxe)

357 The History of Lesbian Sado-Masochism in America

Now there's a lucrative field.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at June 04, 2020 07:58 PM (H5knJ)

358 You know they're talking about YOU on the new thread

Posted by: boomers remember stuff at June 04, 2020 07:59 PM (+U5Yr)

359 Panetta

Posted by: Braenyard at June 04, 2020 07:39 PM (ix2vz)

Thanks!

Posted by: browndog at June 04, 2020 08:01 PM (BgMrQ)

360 If you click on it on Twitter it can be enlarged.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 04, 2020 07:40 PM (+eVzC)


I tried, still can't read it.

Posted by: runner at June 04, 2020 08:03 PM (zr5Kq)

361 >>>I tried, still can't read it

Not missing much

Posted by: Vito Corleone at June 04, 2020 08:04 PM (IqfdE)

362 287 Skipping to the bottom to make this point:

I am a traditionalist. I graduated from a small Southern women's college called Sweet Briar in the mid-80s. It faced closing and arose like a phoenix. It has a terrific program for women, including engineering. The campus is beautiful and safe.

If your daughters are looking for a true education, check it out.

PS. in my years at college, I never heard any of my professor ever mention anything political.
Posted by: Goddessoftheclassrom at June 04, 2020 07:45 PM (vLoLa)

Where's Robbo, I believe he has strong ties to Sweetbriar...wife, daughter, possibly more.

Posted by: browndog at June 04, 2020 08:07 PM (BgMrQ)

363 Wazzamatta U will always survive

Posted by: Bullwinkle at June 04, 2020 08:08 PM (BgMrQ)

364 786Ro - We need to talk... https://tinyurl.com/yacmw5pm

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 04, 2020 08:11 PM (ELgVT)

365 "Hello, neighbor! I've heard about your course, all good things! I think your school, at least, is gonna be fine in part because it has a great deal of community support, and I think if fills a very useful niche in the academic field. I hope they're full up again in the fall!"

Thanks, man!
And if I can figure out how to get the History club to a range, we're going to play with black powder muskets!

Posted by: Keith Eppich at June 04, 2020 08:12 PM (4ai1w)

366 Only if it is so those fuckers can kiss my ass.

Posted by: robinkaty at June 04, 2020 08:17 PM (eFAZh)

367 >I don't know if they still work this way, but community colleges used to be great for people who wanted the practical understanding of the field. Turns out a lot of instructors were teaching as a second job that they enjoyed and were enthusiastic about, and their regular job was in said field out in the real world.

My stint at CC was about 15 years ago now, but yes, that was how it worked then. Most of the instructors in my chosen field were retired from actually working in the industry, and had a lot of real, practical knowledge.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at June 04, 2020 08:20 PM (L106N)

368 Good evening, Horde.

Higher education will soon be getting what it richly deserves.

What a shame that this comeuppance may not occur for tier one institutions.

Posted by: Ladyl--now mask-free! at June 04, 2020 08:20 PM (TdMsT)

369 Hamsters rioting again?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 04, 2020 08:21 PM (l0Lgi)

370 There will always be room for low-tier schools who operate as commuter colleges in metro areas. Low-income and working students need a non-residential option.

Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis at June 04, 2020 08:23 PM (0V/8D)

371 . Turns out a lot of instructors were teaching as a second job that they enjoyed and were enthusiastic about, and their regular job was in said field out in the real world.
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I had a couple of adjunct professors who were engineers at Lockheed. It wasn't too unusual for them to assign as problems elements of specific work that they had done.

I recall one that involved the fire control system for the Cobra gunship. But, let's face it, not nearly as significant or meaningful as Gender Studies.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 04, 2020 08:25 PM (l0Lgi)

372 3 Couple this with the limiting of foreign students entering...
Posted by: gdgm+ at June 04, 2020 06:58 PM (ExnWy)

The foreign students don't bother me...it's the foreign students from places hostile to the United States that bother me.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 04, 2020 08:26 PM (ejsiI)

373 I guess Trump is worried about losing the Senate since he's burning the RINO AK vote?

Posted by: RoyalOil at June 04, 2020 08:26 PM (aO8Gd)

374 If colleges need bailouts, it proves that they are not smart enough to be teaching you anything.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at June 04, 2020 08:30 PM (h1jJh)

375
After 4 years of high school, do 3 years of service....Military, sweeping streets, digging ditches, what ever...then decide on what you want to study ( if anything ) and study THAT and only THAT and at a community college. Very much like they do in Israel.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 04, 2020 07:05 PM (85Gof)

You aren't much of an advocate for freedom, clearly, especially since you think the State has a claim to people's labor. And as for military service? Fuck that. As a commissioned officer my hands are full with the people who WANT to be there, and you blithely want a bunch of people who don't want to be there dumped on me and the NCO corps?

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 04, 2020 08:30 PM (ejsiI)

376 You aren't much of an advocate for freedom, clearly, especially since you think the State has a claim to people's labor.

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Where does NGU assert that?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 04, 2020 08:33 PM (MUTE3)

377 87 As someone who teaches at a small Texas college, I'll strongly object to being called "third-tier."
The thing is that, after two decades of intersections hiring practices, the big schools have an ethnically diverse and largely female faculty that can't teach, can't write, and can't research. All the talent has been pushed into these smaller schools. The result is that not only are these small colleges much cheaper, but the quality of instruction is demonstratively superior. The classes are much smaller, as well. And not insanely politically partisan, as well.
I'll put my local, little American History or Archaeology class against anything taught at Harvard. It's a first-tier course.
Posted by: Keith Eppich at June 04, 2020 07:14 PM (4ai1w)

I'll go further: you don't go to Hahvahd or Yale or any Ivy League school for the education. You go there to (my favorite word - /s) NETWORK!!!

Same with big state schools like UT Austin.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 04, 2020 08:35 PM (ejsiI)

378 Who is "Uncle Leon" that Dowd refers to?

Trotsky?

Posted by: free tibet at June 04, 2020 08:47 PM (DMQdU)

379 308 There are about 205 law schools in the United States. At least 50 of them should close immediately because they are not needed. However, the American Bar Association runs a nice scam to flood the market with new lawyers, some of whom will never will get a job as a lawyer.

But the law professors, many of whom never tried a case in their career, make big bank based on unlimited student loans.

This is in contrast to medical schools, which limit the supply of doctors by having small medical school classes and a smallish supply of schools.
Posted by: mercenary13 at June 04, 2020 07:48 PM (/iKPb)

This right here. I'd love to go to law school, but the market is so saturated with lawyers, it wouldn't be worth it. And this is why.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 04, 2020 08:52 PM (ejsiI)

380 326 Trump could drop in at Chilkoot Charleys in Anchorage any time and find a more worthy candidate.

Around 3 in the afternoon on a Wednesday.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at June 04, 2020 07:50 PM (DY3v

A bum off the street in downtown Anchorage would work just as well. This IS Murkowski we are talking about. (When I was living there, daddy appointed her as Senator.)

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 04, 2020 08:57 PM (ejsiI)

381 326 Trump could drop in at Chilkoot Charleys in Anchorage any time and find a more worthy candidate.

Around 3 in the afternoon on a Wednesday.

Or Skinny dick's Halfway Inn in Fairbanks

Posted by: free tibet at June 04, 2020 08:58 PM (vOGqy)

382 376 You aren't much of an advocate for freedom, clearly, especially since you think the State has a claim to people's labor.

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Where does NGU assert that?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 04, 2020 08:33 PM (MUTE3)

"After 4 years of high school, do 3 years of service....Military, sweeping streets, digging ditches, what ever...then decide on what you want to study ( if anything ) and study THAT and only THAT and at a community college. Very much like they do in Israel."

Three years of service, huh. Very much like they do in Israel?

Service at the point of a police officer's gun is not any vision of freedom I am familiar with.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 04, 2020 09:04 PM (ejsiI)

383 Last Sunday I was visiting a small university in IN and drove around it, because one of my favorite and most beloved people from my childhood was educated there. The whole time I was thinking to myself: "Does this place have much of a future in the current environment? Or is this one of those small schools that will vanish as a result of online trends and the Wuhan Flu environment?"

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 04, 2020 09:07 PM (ejsiI)

384
Three years of service, huh. Very much like they do in Israel?
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He suggests that as one option. I see nothing about mandatory service. I do not know about Israel, but I did three years in the U.S. Army, quite voluntarily. Probably the single wisest move I ever made.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 04, 2020 09:08 PM (qHgVt)

385 He suggests that as one option. I see nothing about mandatory service. I do not know about Israel, but I did three years in the U.S. Army, quite voluntarily. Probably the single wisest move I ever made.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 04, 2020 09:08 PM (qHgVt)

And what else can it be then. A suggestion?

And you further made my point here: you did three years in the U.S. Army, quite voluntarily. That's the way it should be. (As is my USAF service, which incidentally paid for my bachelor's and master's.)

If he's talking about voluntary options, fine, but when I see "service" and "like they do in Israel" - a country with a draft, and many countries around the world maintain they have a claim to their citizens' labor - red flags go up.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 04, 2020 09:12 PM (ejsiI)

386 Finally a freaking hard reality check for academia.
Yes, tax those endowments!

Posted by: Fina at June 04, 2020 09:18 PM (QeDF0)

387 TESC is doomed. Get woke!

Posted by: Khun Ty at June 04, 2020 10:15 PM (7yT9Y)

388 We were talking about how kids are going to take gap years for sure a month ago. To avoid the virus, maybe yes, but mostly to avoid getting to school and then having them say, oh we're showing videos for the rest of the semester. And still charging you $60K plus room and board.

One nephew is going back because he's a junior and can finish up quick but I think the freshman class is going to be way thin this year.

Posted by: PJ at June 05, 2020 12:32 AM (qlTN9)

389 Yes, the problem is progressive prices, not progressive costs, and the single/central collusion, and sophisticated balls of yarns that have been spun to sustain them. Oh, and the obligatory #BLM - Baby Lives Matter.

Posted by: n.n at June 05, 2020 12:56 AM (qfsFY)

390 It's small "boutique" private colleges that will bear the brunt of this. State schools will be pinched, but are too big, er, too political to fail. The three small private universities in my town average $60,000 a year in total costs, but have had to offer scholarships to bring that down to match the $20,000 of the state schools. Well respected STEM schools like Purdue and University of Texas at Austin are making it a point to keep tuition at $10K for in state students.

Posted by: Criticas at June 05, 2020 09:46 AM (u8T5m)

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