Appellate Court Lawyer: Of All The Options the DC Court of Appeals Could Have Chosen in the Emmet Sullivan Matter, It Chose "The Most Extreme, Rare, and Drastic" of Them

Yesterday I wondered if it was a big deal that the DC Court of Appeals -- Emmet Sullivan's overseeing judges -- had issued the order to Sullivan to personally explain himself to them.

As a Twitter thread from an appellate court laywer found by John Sexton explains: Yes, it's a huge deal.

Most of the thread is below, but here are the main points:

1. The appellate court could have just dismissed this motion out of hand, which they do most of the time. (As I noted, when you're dealing with a jailhouse lawyer's frivolous filings, it's only a matter of time before he cries prejudice and demands a new judge.)

They did not do this, obviously. They're taking this seriously. That fact means that this motion has already cleared a "huge hurdle" -- the appellate court accepts that this is serious matter requring their attention and not just a desperate last-chance gamble.

2. They could have politely "invited" Sullivan to file a reply with the court. Which is friendly and collegial.

They did not. They "ordered" him to. Which is unfreindly and reminds Sullivan who the ranking officers are here.

3. They could have asked an amicus -- a friend of the court; a respected lawyer or judge or legal commentator -- to file a reply on Sullivan's behalf and thereby spare him the indignity of having to, effectively, defend himself and act as his own lawyer.

They did not do that. They insisted that Sullivan himself reply.

This all seems like good news.

The three judges on this panel were appointed by Reagan, Obama, and Trump.

I assume the Obama appointee is a loss -- this case, after all, is about the misbehavior of Obama's ministers and minions.

The Reagan appointee, I don't know. People always think that Reagan appointees must be conservative, but that's not true at all. Emmet Sullivan was a Reagan appointee, originally. This was back when there was no Federalist Society, and when, frankly, liberal Bushites were running most of the government anyway. So this one could go either way.

The Trump appointee, Rao, I assume is good draw for us.





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1 Hmm, looks like legal stuff.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 22, 2020 05:53 PM (WEBkv)

2 Time to call the corgis again...

Posted by: gdgm+ at May 22, 2020 05:53 PM (ExnWy)

3 I might need to read the fine print and make sure there's not a disclaimer regarding posting at AoS.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 22, 2020 05:53 PM (WEBkv)

4 mmmmmmmm

Posted by: browndog at May 22, 2020 05:54 PM (gD6Ka)

5 On top of that, the FBI is now investigating for misconduct.

https://tinyurl.com/ycbzku8t

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 22, 2020 05:55 PM (3D/fK)

6 Rookie mistake. Read the content.

Posted by: Traveling Man Who's Stuck At Home&&&& at May 22, 2020 05:55 PM (ylfKf)

7 Asking him to appear for execution would have been more drastic ... but in the realm of what is available, yes, this sounds good.


Considering theacts of treason and the FISC and other judges complicit (e.g. Amy Berman) ... some hangings are probably in order, French Revolution style or American Revolution ... wither way, a coup that involves judges is intolerable.

Posted by: illiniwek at May 22, 2020 05:55 PM (Cus5s)

8 Top 10?

Posted by: Skip at May 22, 2020 05:56 PM (ZCEU2)

9 Is there a lawyer in the house?

Posted by: deplorable unperson - Have you reported in to your assigned Contact Tracer today? at May 22, 2020 05:56 PM (2KNZv)

10 Of course, RIGHT as I post in the last thread, there's a new one...

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at May 22, 2020 05:56 PM (Do5/p)

11 What movie was this about?

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at May 22, 2020 05:56 PM (NI4rU)

12 I believe the technicaly legal term is "Ya Dun Fucked Up."

Posted by: Broseidon - Now A Scientist, Too at May 22, 2020 05:56 PM (icI8A)

13 Slowly moving up in the comments

Posted by: Skip at May 22, 2020 05:57 PM (ZCEU2)

14
What?

There is a new thread?

Oh, it's about lawyers.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at May 22, 2020 05:57 PM (sy5kK)

15 I read the Reagan appointment -- Henderson -- is an originalist.

That's good for Flynn.

Posted by: Venus at May 22, 2020 05:57 PM (iYXhj)

16 Now can we get ATC's opinion on this?

When first announced, the imperial one was playing video games, and was not to be disturbed.

After listening to the podcast earlier today, I'd like to hear her thoughts.

Posted by: browndog at May 22, 2020 05:58 PM (gD6Ka)

17 Did the Appellate Court instruct Judge Sullivan to 'eat or consume a portion of dicks, preferably in bag form?'

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 22, 2020 05:58 PM (oVJmc)

18
Is the missed St. Patrick's Day celebration today? I'm seeing a lot of green here.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 22, 2020 05:58 PM (pNxlR)

19 You know, I've seen "My Cousin Vinnie" a bunch of times, but this is over my head

Posted by: DB- just DB. at May 22, 2020 05:58 PM (iTXRQ)

20 th

Posted by: Dad of Six at May 22, 2020 05:58 PM (LKJk6)

21 I want to believe that Justice will be one.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 22, 2020 05:58 PM (pp7ze)

22 I'm glad an actual appellate lawyer did a thread on this because I haven't done Federal appellate work in over a decade and never into these weeds.

Rao is supposed to be rock solid. As far as the other two judges, my COMPLETE AND TOTAL WAG based on nothing at all is that the panel will be pissed that Sullivan is point blank ignoring direct precedent on this from the DC circuit and from just a couple of years ago. That's a slap by Sullivan to the authoritah of the Circuit court and those judges take their authoritah very very seriously indeed.

And, though, that's an utter WAG.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at May 22, 2020 05:58 PM (GbPPJ)

23 As I said yesterday, the wording was not an accident or lightly done. Not only does "Ordered" appear in large type , but the last line "The court directs the clerk transmit this to the above name judge..."
The clerk was not ordered...just directed...it's a not-so-subtle measure of the seriousness of this action.

Posted by: NeverNeverTrumper at May 22, 2020 05:58 PM (0jZvB)

24 or done

either or

Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 22, 2020 05:59 PM (pp7ze)

25 10 Of course, RIGHT as I post in the last thread, there's a new one...
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at May 22, 2020 05:56 PM (Do5/p)

As a Calvinst, I have to say it was foreordained.

Posted by: tubal at May 22, 2020 05:59 PM (bCLt0)

26 Anyway 9 days left for the judge

Posted by: Skip at May 22, 2020 05:59 PM (ZCEU2)

27 Well...my habeus corpus needs a nap.

Remember, May 25, 5 PM Pacific Time, a silent toast to the men and women who gave all for our nation.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 22, 2020 05:59 PM (axyOa)

28 No Reagan appointee. The third one is Bush 41.

Posted by: Mattman26 at May 22, 2020 05:59 PM (6RTYZ)

29 5 On top of that, the FBI is now investigating for misconduct.


The FBI.

Is there a second FBI that I might have a lot more faith in?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 22, 2020 05:59 PM (oVJmc)

30 Praying for General Flynn. It will be a happy day when he is free at last.

Posted by: Nancy B. at May 22, 2020 05:59 PM (CxERZ)

31 OK, called "new thread" in last one. Now, can someone investigate whether Judge Sullivan and Eric Holder are personal friends, and / or have other legal or business ties?

Posted by: gdgm+ at May 22, 2020 05:59 PM (ExnWy)

32 I first read this last night, I was hoping you'd get to this today!

I now think there's at least a chance that Sullivan folds and just dismisses the case, rather then filing an answer. In fact, that's what the Appeals Court is clearly inviting him do to.

So we'll see just how hard core a Trump hating Biden supporter he is. Will he force them to remove him, even at the permanent cost of his reputation which was decent up until now?

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 22, 2020 05:59 PM (trdmm)

33 From the last thread, Universal Orlando Theme Parks are requiring that all patrons wear "face coverings"? I can just imagine how well it will go over to wear any kind of covering on your face in Florida in July. . . .

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 22, 2020 05:59 PM (rpbg1)

34

I heard all those lawyer posts in Nina Totenberg's NPR voice.

Do I need help?

Posted by: My Pimp Shot My Dealer at May 22, 2020 06:00 PM (d6DSt)

35 It could be like the ending of Casablanca.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at May 22, 2020 06:00 PM (s4wmZ)

36 Instead, the DC Circuit ordered Judge Sullivan to PERSONALLY respond and defend his actions, without an amicus attorney to do it for him.

==

Is he fvcked ? Because that sounds like he is.

Posted by: runner at May 22, 2020 06:00 PM (zr5Kq)

37
23 As I said yesterday, the wording was not an accident or lightly done. Not only does "Ordered" appear in large type , but the last line "The court directs the clerk transmit this to the above name judge..."
The clerk was not ordered...just directed...it's a not-so-subtle measure of the seriousness of this action.
Posted by: NeverNeverTrumper at May 22, 2020 05:58 PM (0jZvB)


I didn't see a "Bailiff, whack his pee-pee!" among all those words.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 22, 2020 06:00 PM (pNxlR)

38 This is too high profile a matter for the appellate court to mess around with. They and their clerks are going to triple check everything, out of a healthy sense of paranoia. I've worked on things that were high profile. You did not trust to your memory on anything, you went and looked it up again. Darn near every sentence would have a citation or two in support.


This is going to be one for the ages.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Join The Masquerade with Quality Facial Wear from The Outrage Outlet! at May 22, 2020 06:00 PM (0QYMt)

39 I'm not a lawyer so I don't know what the hell does that mean.

Posted by: dantesed at May 22, 2020 06:00 PM (h9b2f)

40
Considering theacts of treason and the FISC and other judges complicit (e.g. Amy Berman) ... some hangings are probably in order, French Revolution style or American Revolution ... wither way, a coup that involves judges is intolerable.
Posted by: illiniwek at May 22, 2020 05:55 PM (Cus5s)


A day or two ago, Gutfeld on The Five said the Guvnor shutdowns was "the French Revolution meets the American Revolution".

I am still trying to figure out what he meant.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at May 22, 2020 06:00 PM (sy5kK)

41 Not to take anything away from "imp" who certainly knows his business as well.

I just want to hear Alex revel in a good smackdown of Sullivan.

Posted by: browndog at May 22, 2020 06:00 PM (gD6Ka)

42 You would be better off with a French Magistrate!

Posted by: rhennigantx dont californicate my TEXAS at May 22, 2020 06:00 PM (JFO2v)

43
That douche bag "judge" amy barrett jackson needs to have her head cracked, too.

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at May 22, 2020 06:01 PM (Lc/Nw)

44
33 From the last thread, Universal Orlando Theme Parks are requiring that all patrons wear "face coverings"? I can just imagine how well it will go over to wear any kind of covering on your face in Florida in July. . . .
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 22, 2020 05:59 PM (rpbg1)


Hard pass ...

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 22, 2020 06:01 PM (pNxlR)

45 Those Tweety posts are hell on page refresh.

Posted by: Pliney at May 22, 2020 06:01 PM (nzKWW)

46 Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 22, 2020 05:55 PM (3D/fK)

I'm quite sure they'll find that everything was done "by the book"!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 22, 2020 06:01 PM (6wiwL)

47 35 It could be like the ending of Casablanca.
Posted by: Humphreyrobot at May 22, 2020 06:00 PM (s4wmZ)


Where are the strawberries?


Oh, sorry, wrong flick.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg, confusing his Bogart movies at May 22, 2020 06:01 PM (sy5kK)

48 I didna read da tweets Cap'n.

Posted by: Traveling Man Who's Stuck At Home&&&& at May 22, 2020 06:01 PM (ylfKf)

49 Is he fvcked ? Because that sounds like he is.
Posted by: runner at May 22, 2020 06:00 PM (zr5Kq)


No idea. Just assuming all the dickheads will get away with it works most of the time. Maybe this is the exception.

Posted by: I Have No Party at May 22, 2020 06:02 PM (TAu/7)

50 "I didn't see a "Bailiff, whack his pee-pee!" among all those words."
That wording only appears on what the federal court system calls "Double Secret Directives", and by law, you're not allowed to type them in this forum.

Posted by: NeverNeverTrumper at May 22, 2020 06:02 PM (0jZvB)

51 Obviously Sullivan's mission is to run out the clock ... can he extend this beyond the end of June ?

Posted by: Palindrome Paduan at May 22, 2020 06:02 PM (AHq56)

52 When a judge gets his walking papers, does he get to keep his black dress, or does it get returned to Central Casting??

Posted by: tubal at May 22, 2020 06:02 PM (bCLt0)

53 Also, and I am not about to look this up, I'm assuming Sullivan was given ten days to respond because ten days is the shortest amount of time by rule he could be given.

Again, WAG and I'm not looking.

I agree with Tom Servo that this is the panel saying you can dismiss the case and this all goes away. If you don't, it won't.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at May 22, 2020 06:02 PM (GbPPJ)

54 From the last thread, Universal Orlando Theme Parks are requiring that all patrons wear "face coverings"? I can just imagine how well it will go over to wear any kind of covering on your face in Florida in July. . . .
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 22, 2020 05:59 PM (rpbg1)

Hard pass ...
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 22, 2020


*
*

I'd take a hard pass anyway. Florida in July???

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 22, 2020 06:02 PM (rpbg1)

55 The most drastic? I would have suggested stripping Sullivan of his robes, making him walk naked out of town while some bitch rings a bell behind his ass and says "shame!" a lot...

Posted by: Boswell at May 22, 2020 06:02 PM (32YRo)

56 OK, called "new thread" in last one. Now, can someone investigate whether Judge Sullivan and Eric Holder are personal friends, and / or have other legal or business ties?

Posted by: gdgm+



They both pick up envelopes at the same park bench in Dupont Circle.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 22, 2020 06:03 PM (axyOa)

57
And, though, that's an utter WAG.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at May 22, 2020 05:58 PM (GbPPJ)


And my WAG is they're likely pissed he tossed this hot potato into their laps to deal with. No one like to be on the clean up crew for someone else's mistakes, especially on a case like this one.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Join The Masquerade with Quality Facial Wear from The Outrage Outlet! at May 22, 2020 06:03 PM (0QYMt)

58 Exec Summary of Sullivan response - "We framed him fair and square, and if the DOJ is just now noticing that, then too fkn bad. My court, my rules."

Posted by: 2009Refugee at May 22, 2020 06:03 PM (edO1m)

59 I'm not sure the Obama judge is a lost cause. All 3 judges voted on this order, it was unanimous.

What Sullivan did was so far out of bounds maybe even he can't ignore it.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 22, 2020 06:03 PM (ZLI7S)

60 17 Did the Appellate Court instruct Judge Sullivan to 'eat or consume a portion of dicks, preferably in bag form?'
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 22, 2020 05:58 PM (oVJmc)


It looks like they told him to make sure he has lots of his favorite sauce ready.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at May 22, 2020 06:03 PM (sy5kK)

61 What's troubling is it takes three judges to figure this out?

Posted by: Pliney at May 22, 2020 06:03 PM (nzKWW)

62 I'm not sure but I think the guy in the black robe did something bad.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - Have you reported in to your assigned Contact Tracer today? at May 22, 2020 06:03 PM (2KNZv)

63 Who bitch this is?

Posted by: DC/AC Imperial Court at May 22, 2020 06:04 PM (WX+x0)

64 Why do I have the feeling that there's a non-trivial chance that Sullivan gets Arkancided this weekend?

Posted by: filbert at May 22, 2020 06:04 PM (NiXyF)

65 31 OK, called "new thread" in last one. Now, can someone investigate whether Judge Sullivan and Eric Holder are personal friends, and / or have other legal or business ties?
Posted by: gdgm+ at May 22, 2020 05:59 PM (ExnWy)

You didn't know that? Holder and Sullivan have been close personal friends for over 20 years. But you're not allowed to criticize the Tan Klan, because then you might even slip up and criticize The One whom they all Serve.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 22, 2020 06:04 PM (trdmm)

66 Judges seem very polite to one another as a rule.

Posted by: Javems at May 22, 2020 06:04 PM (ofIwF)

67 A day or two ago, Gutfeld on The Five said the Guvnor shutdowns was "the French Revolution meets the American Revolution".

I am still trying to figure out what he meant.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg

State tyranny vs. individual freedoms

Posted by: Blutarski at May 22, 2020 06:04 PM (VNfwt)

68 willowed:

from Twitter:

"I just read a heart wrenching post from a woman in Midland Michigan, they are begging governor Whitmer to open up hotels so people can have decent rooms, showers and food while their homes are underwater in ruin. Guess what her answer is NOPE! She said the shelters are just fine."

Posted by: HostageBlackOrchid at May 22, 2020 06:04 PM (j9HX3)

69 Jeebus, I had to look up WAG.

For others like myself who are slightly under a hundred years old, it means wild ass guess.

Posted by: Seems Legit at May 22, 2020 06:04 PM (jUVms)

70 Can they actually fire the judge? Or does he just go to the back bench until it all blows over and he goes back to his job?

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at May 22, 2020 06:05 PM (NI4rU)

71 What if Sullivan just ignores the demand?

Posted by: Hands at May 22, 2020 06:05 PM (786Ro)

72 17: At this point I'd prefer the appellate court had ordered Judge Sullivan to drink a glass of Hemlock. Its so enraging how Clinton, her entourage, jihadi Brennan et al have been laughing at any notion of facing justice.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at May 22, 2020 06:05 PM (T9Hmo)

73 And, though, that's an utter WAG.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at May 22, 2020 05:58 PM (GbPPJ)

Thank you for that...

After the podcast, I expected a bit more reveling in the moment as it were.

But I'll take what the empress gives...gladly.

Posted by: browndog at May 22, 2020 06:05 PM (gD6Ka)

74 Flynn was helped by the fact that there is a case directly on point, from this very appeals court, that says that Sullivan can't refuse to dismiss a case when the government wants to dismiss it. The appellate panel cited that case (Fokker Services) in their order to Sullivan.

Judges don't typically ignore precedent, directly on point, from their own circuit.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at May 22, 2020 06:05 PM (k4dH2)

75
68 willowed:

from Twitter:

"I just read a heart wrenching post from a woman in Midland Michigan, they are begging governor Whitmer to open up hotels so people can have decent rooms, showers and food while their homes are underwater in ruin. Guess what her answer is NOPE! She said the shelters are just fine."
Posted by: HostageBlackOrchid at May 22, 2020 06:04 PM (j9HX3)


Oh, she is BEGGING to be hauled out of her mansion by a howling mob ...

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 22, 2020 06:05 PM (pNxlR)

76 He is in Deep Kimchi

Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at May 22, 2020 06:06 PM (63iNO)

77 BREAKING NEWS:
Judge Sullivan has filed his response to the Appellate! Here it is, in full:

For whom it may concern at the DC Appellate Court:

Under the situation in re Flynn, I concur that perhaps my
conduct is unwarranted, but is still understandable given the
kakistrocracy of the Trump Administration.

Yet given i must comply with your instructions,
on this date, May 25, 2020, I hereby
ultimately withdraw all objections to a NOT GUILTY finding.

Signed,

JUDGE EMMET SULLIVAN

Posted by: qdpsteve at May 22, 2020 06:06 PM (L2ZTs)

78 I heard all those lawyer posts in Nina Totenberg's NPR voice.
Do I need help?
Posted by: My Pimp Shot My Dealer at May 22, 2020 06:00 PM


It depends.

Did you hear it as if it she were coming out of your car radio, or did it sound like she was desperately trying to delay by remembering the 1948 Braves lineup?

If the former, yes.

Posted by: J. Random Commenter at May 22, 2020 06:06 PM (DMUuz)

79 Whitmer is quite a mean spirited woman, isn't she?. If she lived near Midland you can bet she'd be going to a hotel. After all, after forbidding people from going to their second home in Michigan didn't she go to her second home in MI?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 22, 2020 06:06 PM (+eVzC)

80 71 What if Sullivan just ignores the demand?
Posted by: Hands at May 22, 2020 06:05 PM (786Ro)



Then the appellate court grants Flynn's motion and takes it out of his hands. Seriously - do you think they would just ignore someone that blew off their order?

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Join The Masquerade with Quality Facial Wear from The Outrage Outlet! at May 22, 2020 06:07 PM (0QYMt)

81 51 Obviously Sullivan's mission is to run out the clock ... can he extend this beyond the end of June ?

Posted by: Palindrome Paduan at May 22, 2020 06:02 PM (AHq56)

Nope, as I said this morning, Sullivan is a Scorpion, but now he's up against 3 Scorpions who are each bigger than he is.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 22, 2020 06:07 PM (trdmm)

82 rom the last thread, Universal Orlando Theme Parks are requiring that all patrons wear "face coverings"? I can just imagine how well it will go over to wear any kind of covering on your face in Florida in July. . . .
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 22, 2020 05:59 PM (rpbg1)


LOL

Posted by: runner at May 22, 2020 06:07 PM (zr5Kq)

83 And my WAG is they're likely pissed he tossed this hot potato into their laps to deal with. No one like to be on the clean up crew for someone else's mistakes, especially on a case like this one.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Join The Masquerade with Quality Facial Wear from The Outrage Outlet! at May 22, 2020 06:03 PM (0QYMt)
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If I understand correctly, Sullivan went off on some sort of rant against Flynn, which effectively put Sullivan way out on a legal limb and Sullivan doesn't want to climb back down.

It appears the Appellate court has appeared just behind Judge Sullivan and offered to saw the limb off that Sullivan is on, unless he climbs back down.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 22, 2020 06:07 PM (WEBkv)

84 The only things I know about law is the Chewbacca defense and if the glove does not fit, you must acquit.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at May 22, 2020 06:07 PM (h1jJh)

85 51 guessing no, he has 9 days, the response from the higher court could be a couple days if Judge Sullivan made some good points, but can't see much past 2 weeks from now.

Posted by: Skip at May 22, 2020 06:07 PM (ZCEU2)

86 69

Jeebus, I had to look up WAG.

For others like myself who are slightly under a hundred years old, it means wild ass guess.

Posted by: Seems Legit at May 22, 2020 06:04 PM

I usually see the term SWAG used, not WAG. Scientific Wild Ass Guess.

WAG is usually used when referring to Wives And Girlfriends (of athletes).

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at May 22, 2020 06:08 PM (Do5/p)

87 Is Whitmer on drugs ?

Posted by: runner at May 22, 2020 06:08 PM (zr5Kq)

88 What if Sullivan just ignores the demand?

Posted by: Hands at May 22, 2020 06:05 PM (786Ro)

Contempt? Well, probably the appellate just dismiss while writing a career-ending dump on Judge Sullivan...but its moot, this moron is never moving up the food chain from here.

Posted by: Boswell at May 22, 2020 06:08 PM (32YRo)

89 The transsexual Gretchen Whitmer thing. Is that actually a thing?

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at May 22, 2020 06:08 PM (yyfQG)

90 It would be far easier to investigate the FBI for a few honest employees than try and root out the 98.2 percent bad ones. Just need to start over again.

Posted by: Florida Man at May 22, 2020 06:08 PM (Jj+59)

91 70 Can they actually fire the judge? Or does he just go to the back bench until it all blows over and he goes back to his job?
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at May 22, 2020 06:05 PM (NI4rU)

Only Congress can fire a Federal Judge, through Impeachment. So ask Nancy Pelosi if she's down with that.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 22, 2020 06:09 PM (trdmm)

92
"I just read a heart wrenching post from a woman in Midland Michigan, they are begging governor Whitmer to open up hotels so people can have decent rooms, showers and food while their homes are underwater in ruin. Guess what her answer is NOPE! She said the shelters are just fine."
Posted by: HostageBlackOrchid at May 22, 2020 06:04 PM (j9HX3),

OMG. That's insane. What a bitch. I pray that people remember this. Crazy Eyes Shiny Face picked a pretend crisis over an actual, devastating crisis.

Posted by: Gem at May 22, 2020 06:09 PM (kIHih)

93 What if Sullivan just ignores the demand?

Posted by: Hands at May 22, 2020 06:05 PM (786Ro)

Can't.

Posted by: runner at May 22, 2020 06:09 PM (zr5Kq)

94 this moron is never moving up the food chain from here.

Posted by: Boswell at May 22, 2020 06:08 PM (32YRo)

Book deal and consultant for CNN is guaranteed.

Posted by: Palindrome Paduan at May 22, 2020 06:10 PM (AHq56)

95 >>The transsexual Gretchen Whitmer thing. Is that actually a thing?


Yes.

But don't worry, it is securely taped to Xher taint.

Posted by: garrett at May 22, 2020 06:10 PM (FBy1R)

96 Is Whitmer on drugs ?
Posted by: runner at May 22, 2020 06:08 PM (zr5Kq)


One of the worst - Power.

Posted by: I Have No Party at May 22, 2020 06:10 PM (TAu/7)

97 Whitmer seems to be a truly ugly person.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at May 22, 2020 06:10 PM (yyfQG)

98 Does Whitmer have any of the " Tranny tells " in her physiology???

Posted by: tubal at May 22, 2020 06:11 PM (bCLt0)

99
89 The transsexual Gretchen Whitmer thing. Is that actually a thing?
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at May 22, 2020 06:08 PM (yyfQG)


Doesn't matter -- just keep it going and let's hope it becomes a common thing that'll drive her further around the bend.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 22, 2020 06:11 PM (pNxlR)

100 Hey, wait just a minute. Doesn't all legal stuff need to be written on one of those yellow LEGAL pads?

Posted by: Florida Man at May 22, 2020 06:11 PM (Jj+59)

101 If you read any British press, WAGS are wives and girlfriends

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at May 22, 2020 06:11 PM (NI4rU)

102 I mean he can, be found in contempt of higher court or some such, Flynn case is dismissed immediately.

Posted by: runner at May 22, 2020 06:11 PM (zr5Kq)

103 Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 22, 2020 06:07 PM (WEBkv)
*********
That ASSHAT Sullivan during trial accused Flynn of TREASON

Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at May 22, 2020 06:11 PM (63iNO)

104 Who Yankee this is?

Posted by: Florida Man at May 22, 2020 06:12 PM (Jj+59)

105 Is there a satchel involved?

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at May 22, 2020 06:12 PM (yyfQG)

106 Pliney, Federal appeals always go to a three judge panel initially. That's how it works.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at May 22, 2020 06:12 PM (GbPPJ)

107 >>The only things I know about law is the Chewbacca defense and if the glove does not fit, you must acquit.


Posession is 90% of The Law.

Posted by: garrett at May 22, 2020 06:12 PM (FBy1R)

108 WAG & SWAG are well-known engineering concepts and terminology. Contrast the precision of RCH.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 22, 2020 06:12 PM (DMUuz)

109 So, not a lawyer or a judge or whatnot, but I'd like to provide what I *think* is a reasonable translation of all this:

"The higher court is *pissed* about this and demanded answers personally on a tight deadline. This is rare and doesn't bode well for the judge."

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 22, 2020 06:12 PM (hYcqw)

110 Fluke season started today! I didn't get to go out, but my son just brought me a whole bunch of sea bass and ling. He caught no fluke though.

No complaints from me.

Posted by: IrishEi at May 22, 2020 06:12 PM (sGotD)

111 WAGS are wives and girlfriends

May they never meet!

Posted by: My Pimp Shot My Dealer at May 22, 2020 06:12 PM (d6DSt)

112 Here's the unrolled Thread Reader App maybe easier-to-read version of all those tweets:

https://tinyurl.com/y7rdryg5

Posted by: m at May 22, 2020 06:12 PM (5Yo9J)

113 Which President appointed a judge isn't always a foolproof indicator. Sometimes in the past when the opposite party controls the Senate there have been "one of yours, one of ours" deals, and there has been a long tradition of "blue slips," where the two Senators from a particular state, regardless of party, are allowed to table indefinitely a nomination they don't agree with, giving them effective input into who a President of the other party nominates. And even when two Senators from a state are of the President's own party, sometimes they're McCain and Flake, for example, so a good conservative isn't necessarily going to get nominated.

And then there's the substance of what's actually briefed and argued. I can see this panel finding for Judge Sullivan 3-0 on the following argument: 1. I haven't rendered a verdict yet, so this is not ripe for consideration until I find the defendant guilty, because if I dismiss the case this will all be moot, and I have not decided anything yet; 2. This is an attack on the independence of the judiciary and the inherent power of a judge to run his own courtroom. Not saying that would work, but I could see it.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at May 22, 2020 06:12 PM (1me8P)

114 this moron is never moving up the food chain from here.

Posted by: Boswell at May 22, 2020 06:08 PM (32YRo)
*******
72 now, he wasn't moving up anyways

Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at May 22, 2020 06:12 PM (63iNO)

115 The only things I know about law is the Chewbacca defense and if the glove does not fit, you must acquit.


Posession is 90% of The Law.
Posted by: garrett at May 22, 2020


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The "Chewbacca defense"? "Let the Wookie win"?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 22, 2020 06:13 PM (rpbg1)

116 Whitmer seems to be a truly ugly person.
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at May 22, 2020 06:10 PM (yyfQG)
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I want to know why the Michigan legislature doesn't just toss her out on her ear?

Though, the AG for Michigan appears to be cut from the same cloth.

So, perhaps the cure is worse than the disease.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 22, 2020 06:13 PM (WEBkv)

117 >Doesn't all legal stuff need to be written on one of those yellow LEGAL pads?


and there should be way more 'whereas' and 'heretofore'

Posted by: DB- just DB. at May 22, 2020 06:13 PM (iTXRQ)

118 Ace,

This case is over. The only reason conservative appellate attorneys aren't barking that out is reputation management. It is never smart to tell a client (or the public if you profit from pontificating) that you're a shoo in because of course nobody's got a crystal ball and shit happens. But take it from me---an anonymous lawyer---the fat lady's singing.

I would pay good money to be inside Sullivan's chambers right now. I can't even imagine the shit he took when he received the DC Circuit's order. My federal district court judge once got hit with an invitation to respond to a mandamus petition, and he ran like his ass was on fire to reconsider and reverse his own decision. Just to moot the mandamus petition.

I have litigated or worked in federal courts for 16 years. Never, not once, have I seen a judge ordered to personally respond to a mandamus petition. Not once, and I have both filed petitions and ruled on them for my appellate court judge.

This is staggering stuff.

You can't appreciate what has happened if you aren't a federal court litigator.

Poor Judge Sullivan would be reversing his own order immediately if this weren't such a high profile case. The dumb bastard is stuck because everyone knows what he did. This isn't an obscure case he can hide by reversing himself. To do that would be to admit he did the indefensible. So instead, he has to advocate something on his own behalf, which he likely hasn't done in 40 years, and his law clerks have never done because they are new attorneys.

It's hilarious. I am munching on popcorn it's so funny.

Posted by: Scalito at May 22, 2020 06:13 PM (hoPJy)

119 70 Can they actually fire the judge? Or does he just go to the back bench until it all blows over and he goes back to his job?
________________

No, they can't fire him. Federal judges are appointed for life. The only way they can be removed from the bench is if they are impeached by congress and convicted by the senate.

They can, however, remove him from the Flynn case.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at May 22, 2020 06:13 PM (k4dH2)

120 Alexthechick, what if, hypothetically, Sullivan ignores as someone upthread mused, appellate demand to 'splain hisself. What happens ?

Posted by: runner at May 22, 2020 06:14 PM (zr5Kq)

121 Whitmer looks like Eric Stolz in Mask.

Posted by: Guzalot at May 22, 2020 06:14 PM (Rz36l)

122 Hawaiian Judge:

The 5th circuit is out of order and hereby dissolved.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at May 22, 2020 06:14 PM (dNzKv)

123 110
Fluke season started today! I didn't get to go out, but my son just
brought me a whole bunch of sea bass and ling. He caught no fluke
though.



No complaints from me.

Posted by: IrishEi at May 22, 2020 06:12 PM (sGotD)


It's not like you have to actually "catch" me.

Posted by: Sandra at May 22, 2020 06:14 PM (ofIwF)

124 Needs More ; "The Party of the first part..."

Posted by: garrett at May 22, 2020 06:14 PM (FBy1R)

125 Seriously, it is nice to finally see a deep state apparatchik finally getting some real pushback.

Although I'm sure "top leftist legal minds" are DESPERATELY searching for some way to pull a win out of this. It's just so frustrating that they always seem to do so.

Like I said, I hope Flynn has good security, because at this stage I wouldn't put it past Schiff's minions to try and have him killed.

Posted by: qdpsteve at May 22, 2020 06:14 PM (L2ZTs)

126 The transsexual Gretchen Whitmer thing. Is that actually a thing?

oh that's funny...

30 MORE DAYS OF LOCKDOWN, BITCHES

Posted by: Wretched Gretchen at May 22, 2020 06:14 PM (2KNZv)

127 I'm not a lawyer so I don't think I should be reading that.

Posted by: Weasel at May 22, 2020 06:14 PM (+c1jw)

128 Pliney, Federal appeals always go to a three judge panel initially. That's how it works.


Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at May 22, 2020 06:12 PM (GbPPJ)

Can Sullivan request en blanc? I don't think so...

Posted by: Boswell at May 22, 2020 06:14 PM (32YRo)

129 Thank you, Tom Servo at 6:04 PM. Comparing this to the past Ted Stevens case... also, not a lot I've found on the Net yet about the Sullivan / Holder friendship.

https://tinyurl.com/yamecx33

Posted by: gdgm+ at May 22, 2020 06:15 PM (ExnWy)

130 Is Hawaii asleep?

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at May 22, 2020 06:15 PM (rguUg)

131 OMG. That's insane. What a bitch. I pray that people
remember this. Crazy Eyes Shiny Face picked a pretend crisis over an
actual, devastating crisis.

Posted by: Gem at
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This will be a shit-show for years to come. The dam was a known risk, the Feds wanted one thing, the owner wanted another, and the State may have been overly concerned about, and i am not making this up, a potentially endangered mussel.

So nothing happened. Except for the dam collapsing.

Posted by: 2009Refugee at May 22, 2020 06:15 PM (edO1m)

132 This all seems like good news.

I can't believe we're on pins and needles about an open-and-shut case. But it's "The New Normal".

Posted by: t-bird at May 22, 2020 06:15 PM (u/mHG)

133 117 >Doesn't all legal stuff need to be written on one of those yellow LEGAL pads?


and there should be way more 'whereas' and 'heretofore'
Posted by: DB- just DB. at May 22, 2020 06:13 PM (iTXRQ)


Toss is a " Wherat" and " be it known" and we are good to roll with the Mumbo-Jumbo.

Posted by: tubal at May 22, 2020 06:15 PM (bCLt0)

134 Alex used wag a few times.

Posted by: Seems Legit at May 22, 2020 06:15 PM (jUVms)

135 This is an absolute load of horseshit.

How many lawyers can I get for a plug nickel to distill this for me in, say, 15 minutes?

Posted by: Fritz at May 22, 2020 06:16 PM (95j/9)

136 Oh, she is BEGGING to be hauled out of her mansion by a howling mob ...

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 22, 2020 06:05 PM (pNxlR)


At least there's hotel rooms there. In CA (LA and SF) the hotels are filled with homeless people. If the hotels didn't comply, they were threatened with being outed (in LA at least). So, they have a choice of the homeless destroying the interiors, furnishings and probably plumbing, or the loonies burning the hotel to the ground.


I'm sure either way the insurance companies get an out.

Posted by: clutch cargo at May 22, 2020 06:16 PM (8B6Ng)

137 Just saw the video of Kaleigh giving the White House Press Corp their homework assignment for the weekend.
Between her and Grinnell, it's a tough choice on who's had the best 2020 so far.

Posted by: Forheremenaremen at May 22, 2020 06:16 PM (pmRSz)

138 Fluke season started today!

Did you get your fluke shot?

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 22, 2020 06:16 PM (NWiLs)

139 61 What's troubling is it takes three judges to figure this out?
Posted by: Pliney at May 22, 2020 06:03 PM (nzKWW)

The DC Circuit Court of Appeals currently has 17 active judges on it. SOP is that the names of 3 out of that 17 be drawn to constitute a 3 judge panel for each case that is appealed to them.

It is possible for all 17 to hear a case (en banc) but that is quite rare.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 22, 2020 06:16 PM (trdmm)

140 It's hilarious. I am munching on popcorn it's so funny.
Posted by: Scalito at May 22, 2020 06:13 PM (hoPJy)
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Thanks for the insider skinny, Scalito!

Posted by: IrishEi at May 22, 2020 06:16 PM (sGotD)

141 113 I can see this panel finding for Judge Sullivan 3-0 on the following argument ...


I don't see them finding for him but I can see him submitting something like this to keep the case going.

So would they just say "not good enough" or do they penalize him in some way? Or do they respond and give him another 10 days ... because if there's any chance of that then you *know* he's going to try.

Posted by: Palindrome Paduan at May 22, 2020 06:17 PM (AHq56)

142 Scalito is dead on correct. This is judge for boy, you done fucked up, you wanna unfuck it or you want we should unfuck it for you?


What if Sullivan just ignores the demand?
Posted by: Hands at May 22, 2020 06:05 PM (786Ro


What, ignores the demand to file a response? Then BAM writ granted and, probably, Sullivan referred for judicial misconduct for refusing to honor a demand from a higher court.

The only way he can ignore this is to grant the dismissal and thus moot the writ.

The only reason I'm not prancing around about this is that I am heeding Winston Wolf's sage advice.


Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at May 22, 2020 06:17 PM (GbPPJ)

143 It's true that writ petitions are summarily rejected more than 90 percent of the time without even requiring the opposing side (called the "real party in interest") to file any kind of response at all.

But the weird part is this: When a writ petition is granted, the writ simply commands the judge to alter his ruling. I've never seen a writ petition in which the judge has been ordered to personally explain why he did what he did.

Even in that small percentage of cases where the writ petition is allowed to be briefed and heard on the merits, it is the opposing side (the real party in interest) and not the judge who defends the challenged ruling. The judge is ordinarily completely aloof from the process, except for receiving and complying with any writ that is issued.

So yeah, strange.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 22, 2020 06:17 PM (guGkK)

144 The entire federal behemoth is no fucking good anymore.

Posted by: jsg at May 22, 2020 06:17 PM (6Swfv)

145 It's hilarious. I am munching on popcorn it's so funny.
Posted by: Scalito at May 22, 2020 06:13 PM (hoPJy)
~~~~~

Thanks for the insider skinny, Scalito!
Posted by: IrishEi at May 22, 2020 06:16 PM (sGotD)

Seconded. Moots my question to alex.

Posted by: runner at May 22, 2020 06:17 PM (zr5Kq)

146 Forcing Covid-19 patients into nursing homes can't be any worse than packing people into a school gym, can it?

Posted by: Skip at May 22, 2020 06:17 PM (ZCEU2)

147 67 A day or two ago, Gutfeld on The Five said the Guvnor shutdowns was "the French Revolution meets the American Revolution".

I am still trying to figure out what he meant.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg

State tyranny vs. individual freedoms
Posted by: Blutarski at May 22, 2020 06:04 PM (VNfwt)


Thx Blutarski.

Or, I should say Senator Blutarski, correct?

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at May 22, 2020 06:18 PM (sy5kK)

148 Scalito at May 22, 2020 06:13 PM (hoPJy)

That's the kind of comment that justifies the Platinum membership.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 22, 2020 06:18 PM (ZLI7S)

149 To wit, a boot up your ass.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 22, 2020 06:18 PM (oVJmc)

150
If you read any British press, WAGS are wives and girlfriends
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at May 22, 2020 06:11 PM (NI4rU)

102 I mean he can, be found in contempt of higher court or








Which made the SEAL unofficial motto pop into my little pea-brain

My wife, sure
My toothbrush, maybe
My knife, hell no.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 22, 2020 06:18 PM (EGyGV)

151 >>At least there's hotel rooms there. In CA (LA and SF) the hotels are filled with homeless people. If the hotels didn't comply, they were threatened with being outed (in LA at least).


I'd burn my Hotel to the ground before I let the State use it for Housing the homeless.

Fuck you, No.

Posted by: garrett at May 22, 2020 06:18 PM (FBy1R)

152 Can people who aren't journalists read this stuff?

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at May 22, 2020 06:18 PM (n2Iei)

153 Oh, she is BEGGING to be hauled out of her mansion by a howling mob ...

Guaranteed 300 million hits on Youtube.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - Have you reported in to your assigned Contact Tracer today? at May 22, 2020 06:18 PM (2KNZv)

154 Oooh, ooh, " en banc"!! that's some good lawyerese!! Moar please!

Posted by: tubal at May 22, 2020 06:18 PM (bCLt0)

155 Needs More ; "The Party of the first part..."
Posted by: garrett at May 22, 2020 06:14 PM


What am I, ex parte?

Posted by: The Party of the Second Part at May 22, 2020 06:19 PM (DMUuz)

156 I'm not a doctor, either, but I do give free medical advice.

Posted by: Weasel at May 22, 2020 06:19 PM (+c1jw)

157 Posted by: Scalito at May 22, 2020 06:13 PM (hoPJy)


What he said. I clerked for a state court judge and we did not want to see anything being sent back because it meant (1) we done screwed up somewhere and it just got said officially in public, and (2) we really had a full docket and little room to squeeze in a do-over.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Join The Masquerade with Quality Facial Wear from The Outrage Outlet! at May 22, 2020 06:19 PM (0QYMt)

158 "The only reason I'm not prancing around about this is that I am heeding Winston Wolf's sage advice.
"

Gentlemen...let's not be prancing on our own dicks just yet?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 22, 2020 06:19 PM (3D/fK)

159 >>The only reason I'm not prancing around about this is that I am heeding Winston Wolf's sage advice.


I don't think he was talking to you, Empress.

You feel free to do ...that.

...whenever.

Posted by: garrett at May 22, 2020 06:19 PM (FBy1R)

160 Ex parte!!!! Mandamus!!!!!

Posted by: tubal at May 22, 2020 06:20 PM (bCLt0)

161 Should we read anything significant into the use of green highlighting?

Posted by: Weasel at May 22, 2020 06:20 PM (+c1jw)

162 For qdpsteve,

The interesting thing is the number of small communities in Georgia that have gone back to woods. Makes it feel like Georgia was depopulated.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at May 22, 2020 06:20 PM (Lqy/e)

163 Doesn't all legal stuff need to be written on one of those yellow LEGAL pads?


and there should be way more 'whereas' and 'heretofore'
Posted by: DB- just DB. at May 22, 2020 06:13 PM (iTXRQ)


Toss is a " Wherat" and " be it known" and we are good to roll with the Mumbo-Jumbo.
Posted by: tubal at May 22, 2020 06:15 PM (bCLt0)
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"Res ipsa loquitur" FTW.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, 1st Murder Hornet Squadron at May 22, 2020 06:20 PM (4o2K3)

164 It's hilarious. I am munching on popcorn it's so funny.

Posted by: Scalito at May 22, 2020 06:13 PM (hoPJy)


Samuel, is that you?

Posted by: Javems at May 22, 2020 06:21 PM (ofIwF)

165 How many lawyers can I get for a plug nickel to distill this for me in, say, 15 minutes?


Posted by: Fritz at May 22, 2020 06:16 PM (95j/9)

See 118 - this guy sounds like he knows, doctor, he knows

Posted by: Boswell at May 22, 2020 06:21 PM (32YRo)

166 >>Ex parte!!!! Mandamus!!!!!


*Air Guitar Solo*

Posted by: Wayne and Garth at May 22, 2020 06:21 PM (FBy1R)

167
What if Sullivan just ignores the demand?
Posted by: Hands at May 22, 2020 06:05 PM (786Ro

What, ignores the demand to file a response? Then BAM writ granted and, probably, Sullivan referred for judicial misconduct for refusing to honor a demand from a higher court.
**********
At this point I am convinced it is 1 of 2 things either there are a group on posters severely depressed & I Mean they see a full glass of Ice water on a blisteringly hot humid day & bone dry glass, or it is an act

Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at May 22, 2020 06:21 PM (63iNO)

168 79

Whitmer is quite a mean spirited woman, isn't she?. If she lived near Midland you can bet she'd be going to a hotel. After all, after forbidding people from going to their second home in Michigan didn't she go to her second home in MI?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 22, 2020 06:06 PM

I researched that earlier after someone posted about it on an earlier thread. I found a post by Gateway Pundit that referred to Whitmer's "Up North summer home" somewhere around Birch Lake, MI.

https://bit.ly/3ecc3Vk

Only problem with that? Birch Lake is not "up north". It's on the southwest side of the state, south of Lansing.

Gateway Pundit linked to some Facebook post by some guy with some YouTube podcast I think --- Randy Bishop --- and he states in his post that Whitmer's 2nd cottage is in Antrim County. Antrim County is definitely north of Michigan. It's near Traverse City. But Birch Lake is nowhere near that.

Funny thing is that some defender of Whitmer came on Bishop's Facebook post and claimed that people were being hysterical for no reason. Because Whitmer was in Midland area to help with the flooding issue and supposedly her summer home is in the area.

Yeah, Midland is 2 1/2 hours away from Traverse City and Antrim County.

So yeah, lesson from all this? Don't believe anything you read anywhere until you research and confirm it yourself.

That goes for the Twitter post about Whitmer saying 'no' to opening hotels in the Midland area. I looked that up on Twitter and it was posted with the exact text by two different people. Neither of whom referenced any news source for their information.

One was Paul Cogan and the other was Patty Girl. Paul Cogan posted first, then Patty Girl must have copy/pasted his text with no attribution to him.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at May 22, 2020 06:21 PM (Do5/p)

169 Can people who aren't journalists read this stuff?
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at May 22, 2020


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Better question:

"Can journalists read?"

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 22, 2020 06:21 PM (rpbg1)

170 Habeus Corpseman!!!

Posted by: tubal at May 22, 2020 06:21 PM (bCLt0)

171 A day or two ago, Gutfeld on The Five said the Guvnor shutdowns was "the French Revolution meets the American Revolution".

I am still trying to figure out what he meant.


The difference between the two Revolutions is exactly the difference between the Trumpublican Party and the Democrats.

Posted by: t-bird at May 22, 2020 06:21 PM (qHgVt)

172 @Palindrome, if they wanted to allow him to save face, they would set oral arguments and probably allow him to appoint counsel to argue for him. As noted above, he would also have to distinguish Fokker and show why it did not apply as precedent in this situation. Again, I think it's not likely, but if they allow Sullivan to delay their decision past his receipt of the amicus and the replies, then Sullivan can grant the DOJ's motion to dismiss and everyone goes and has cocktails at the Press Club.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at May 22, 2020 06:21 PM (1me8P)

173 Did you get your fluke shot?
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 22, 2020 06:16 PM (NWiLs)
~~~~~

You know, Insom, you are one of several nics I search for when I'm pressed for time and can't read all the comments. Know why? Because you're funny and you have a great wit.

Fluke shot? Seriously?

Be better, Insom. Be better.

Posted by: IrishEi at May 22, 2020 06:22 PM (sGotD)

174 The only way he can ignore this is to grant the dismissal and thus moot the writ.



Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at May 22, 2020 06:17 PM (GbPPJ)


Death is the other way.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Join The Masquerade with Quality Facial Wear from The Outrage Outlet! at May 22, 2020 06:22 PM (0QYMt)

175 Can people who aren't journalists read this stuff?
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at May 22, 2020

Better question:

"Can journalists read?"


Is it SAFE?!?!

Posted by: Journalists at May 22, 2020 06:22 PM (qHgVt)

176
I'm not a doctor, either, but I do give free medical advice.
Posted by: Weasel at May 22, 2020 06:19 PM (+c1jw)






Which is kinda funny. I mean, how hard can it be to slap a hot iron to it that you need someone's advice to do what you already know is the best thing to do, medically.

Okay, that came out just a little bit less coherent than I intended, but you know what I mean.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 22, 2020 06:22 PM (EGyGV)

177 What am I, ex parte?

Posted by: The Party of the Second Part at May 22, 2020 06:19 PM (DMUuz)

Ex parte happens at 3 Am - moose out front should have told ya.

Posted by: Boswell at May 22, 2020 06:22 PM (32YRo)

178 All of this boils down to:

Bro, what the fuck are you doing?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 22, 2020 06:22 PM (j3npP)

179
Did they cite Jarndyce v. Jarndyce?

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 22, 2020 06:23 PM (mht8P)

180 What if Sullivan just ignores the demand?

Posted by: Hands at May 22, 2020 06:05 PM (786Ro)

Contempt? Well, probably the appellate just dismiss while writing a career-ending dump on Judge Sullivan...but its moot, this moron is never moving up the food chain from here.
Posted by: Boswell at May 22, 2020 06:08 PM (32YRo)


It would be sweetly ironic if Sullivan ignored the order and the appellate court, in addition to mandating that he accept the dismissal, also issued an Order to Show Cause re: Contempt to Sullivan personally.

Posted by: LASue at May 22, 2020 06:23 PM (Ed8Zd)

181 It truly is amazing that Barack Hussein Obama,Greatest Perfessor of Law From Harvard , Ever, is not stepping in to pontificate on this matter.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - Have you reported in to your assigned Contact Tracer today? at May 22, 2020 06:23 PM (2KNZv)

182 lemme see if I have this right:

the Flynn case is a hopelessly convoluted clusterfuck, so the next court up the ladder has ordered the judge to explain himself

did I win?

Posted by: DB- just DB. at May 22, 2020 06:24 PM (iTXRQ)

183 Or, I should say Senator Blutarski, correct?
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg

Just ask Mrs Blutarski, Nee Mandy Pepperidge.

Posted by: Blutarski at May 22, 2020 06:24 PM (VNfwt)

184 179
Did they cite Jarndyce v. Jarndyce?
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 22, 2020 06:23 PM (mht8P)


Lolol!!

Posted by: tubal at May 22, 2020 06:24 PM (bCLt0)

185
Further affiant sayeth naught.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 22, 2020 06:24 PM (mht8P)

186 Better question:

"Can journalists read?"

Is it SAFE?!?!
Posted by: Journalists at May 22, 2020


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Amended:

"Do journalists ever listen?"

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 22, 2020 06:24 PM (rpbg1)

187
Imagine how filthy a hotel room would be wherein a homeless person has lived for 2 months.

Posted by: Seems Legit at May 22, 2020 06:24 PM (jUVms)

188 >>Which is kinda funny. I mean, how hard can it be to slap a hot iron to it that you need someone's advice to do what you already know is the best thing to do, medically.


Where people go wrong is they forget to change the Maxi Pad every 4 hours.

Posted by: garrett at May 22, 2020 06:24 PM (FBy1R)

189 Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 22, 2020 06:22 PM (EGyGV)
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Prezactly.
Diagnosis: imbalanced Bodily Humours
Cure: Hot iron, slapped

Posted by: Weasel at May 22, 2020 06:25 PM (+c1jw)

190 But we do not have Obama judges or Trump judges, Bush judges or Clinton judges. What we have is an extraordinary group of dedicated judges doing their level best to do equal right to those appearing before them.

Unless Hillary's tits are caught in a wringer.

Posted by: Chief Justice-ish John Roberts, Now Apperaing in "Night Court: The Musical!" at May 22, 2020 06:25 PM (Ndje9)

191 172
@Palindrome, if they wanted to allow him to save face, t
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at May 22, 2020 06:21 PM (1me8P)



Thanks.

I don't understand why they gave him 10 days in the first place. He'll look like a pussy if he gives in now. He has to save Jesus!! But given that he got 10 days, he must be thinking about how to get more.


Posted by: Palindrome Paduan at May 22, 2020 06:25 PM (AHq56)

192
How many lawyers can I get for a plug nickel to distill this for me in, say, 15 minutes?
________________

It wouldn't take 15 minutes. It's pretty simple: Sullivan is ignoring a controlling precedent (the Fokker Services case) from his own circuit. That case says, pretty clearly, that a trial court CAN'T refuse to dismiss a criminal case that the government has decided to dismiss. The Executive Branch has the power to prosecute cases, not the judiciary. A trial court can't second-guess the Executive's judgment and substitute itself in as prosecutor. When the government moves to dismiss a case, the trial judge needs to dismiss it.

Sullivan is simply ignoring the holding in the Fokker case, because he wants to play prosecutor in the Flynn case. But appeals courts don't write those opinions for fun, they expect them to be followed by trial courts. That's why they are ordering Sullivan to explain to them why he is ignoring their precedent.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at May 22, 2020 06:25 PM (k4dH2)

193 Re Ipsa Loquitur! Q.E.D.!!!

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at May 22, 2020 06:25 PM (ZSK0i)

194 I know I'm kind of a broken record on this, but none of it would have happened had not the judges been corrupt.
The first real indication for me was the Hillary's thing--where the witnesses were given immunity (has to be judge-approved) THEN allowed to take the 5th (which is impossible if you are given immunity) and THEN the court sealed the records (which is supposed to be a rarity)
Most lawyers who understand this, saw right away that the only reason this was even attempted was because the judges were corrupt

Posted by: artemis at May 22, 2020 06:25 PM (AwPyG)

195 Did they cite Jarndyce v. Jarndyce?
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 22, 2020


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I hope not. This case could drag on for 20 years.

Posted by: Charles Dickens at May 22, 2020 06:25 PM (rpbg1)

196 So has Sullivan been investigated yet?

Drugs, whores, property, vacations, mental capacity to sit the bench, etc, etc.

Something is amiss with this fella.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 22, 2020 06:25 PM (Z+IKu)

197 oh sure Clyde, probably that twitter thing about Whitmer is fake

but I actually have no problem with people just smearing her at this point

it's truthy - truthiness - it's "a lie that tells the truth"

twitter is a form of zeitgeist - if stuff like that is flying around, she's not long for the political stage. and that's good news.

Posted by: HostageBlackOrchid at May 22, 2020 06:26 PM (j9HX3)

198 We are having a memorial day bbq sunday, Hell we had to invite a non family member to get up to 5 people thats allowed.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at May 22, 2020 06:26 PM (NI4rU)

199 The Reagan appointee, Karen Henderson, is actually a Bush appointee - appointed to the bench by Reagan by elevated to the appellate court by Bush to take Ken Starr's spot.

Posted by: LASue at May 22, 2020 06:26 PM (Ed8Zd)

200 162 notsothoreau, the Ranger School at Harmony Church on Fort Benning that many of us graduated from (and I guess many, many others did not) has gone back to forest. They opened a new school over by where Ranger Regiment headquarters is. There's nothing there any more but woods and a plaque by the side of the road.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at May 22, 2020 06:26 PM (1me8P)

201 All caps "ordered" and the language directing the clerk are standard form; not unusual

Posted by: RoyalOil at May 22, 2020 06:26 PM (aO8Gd)

202 I'm not a doctor, either, but I do give free medical advice.
Posted by: Weasel at May 22, 2020 06:19 PM


Will you be available this weekend at the ... you know, emergency shelter?

Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Suddenly unemployed Victoria's Secret model at May 22, 2020 06:26 PM (DMUuz)

203 lemme see if I have this right:

the Flynn case is a hopelessly convoluted clusterfuck, so the next court up the ladder has ordered the judge to explain himself

did I win?
Posted by: DB- just DB. at May 22, 2020 06:24 PM (iTXRQ)



Close, the next court up the ladder has ordered the judge to explain why the actual and specific fuck, with citations, he is ignoring their direct precedent on this.


If Sullivan really wants to weasel out of this, he should post the dismissal of the case around 3:45 p.m. on this coming Sunday. You know, right before Memorial Day.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at May 22, 2020 06:26 PM (GbPPJ)

204 Actually a French Revolution vs a American Revolution is a good analysis. The French revolution was almost entirely about equality. The American Revolution was about individual freedom.

Posted by: Skip at May 22, 2020 06:26 PM (ZCEU2)

205 Sullivan was following orders, probably from Obama/Jarret.


Now the Appealates are following orders from higher up than Obama/Jarret.

Someone is worried that this is drawing too much attention to the corruption.

Posted by: davidt at May 22, 2020 06:27 PM (l3+k2)

206 154 Oooh, ooh, " en banc"!! that's some good lawyerese!! Moar please!
Posted by: tubal at May 22, 2020 06:18 PM (bCLt0)

LOL, all the best Lawyerese terms are old Norman French. Well, except that ones like Res Ipsa (that someone brought up) which are Latin. The entire legal profession loves to show off what they studied in their undergrad careers.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 22, 2020 06:27 PM (trdmm)

207 After decades of liberals getting away with crap, of two systems of justice in America, after years of congressional investigations that never, ever go anywhere. If lefties like this judge and the tools at the FBI actually wind up facing real-world consequences. Well, I just don't know what I'll do with myself. Honestly.

I refuse to get my hopes up about any of this, but if the hammer starts coming down...wow.

Posted by: 29Victor at May 22, 2020 06:27 PM (BJKQV)

208 Further affiant sayeth naught.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 22, 2020


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Isn't it "Further deponent sayeth not"?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 22, 2020 06:27 PM (rpbg1)

209 The DC court went Ricky Ricardo on Sullivan.

Oh Emmett, you got some explaining to do.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 22, 2020 06:28 PM (obJMT)

210 Did you get your fluke shot?

Too late, I'm infected. I have a Fluke Model 87V *and* a 113.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at May 22, 2020 06:28 PM (ZSK0i)

211 203

If Sullivan really wants to weasel out of this, he should post the dismissal of the case around 3:45 p.m. on this coming Sunday. You know, right before Memorial Day.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at May 22, 2020 06:26 PM (GbPPJ)

Would that be cricket?? That doesn't sound cricket.

Posted by: tubal at May 22, 2020 06:28 PM (bCLt0)

212 202 I'm not a doctor, either, but I do give free medical advice.
Posted by: Weasel at May 22, 2020 06:19 PM

Will you be available this weekend at the ... you know, emergency shelter?

Asking for a friend.
Posted by: Suddenly unemployed Victoria's Secret model at May 22, 2020 06:26 PM (DMUuz)
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Of course! Bring your friends!

Posted by: Weasel at May 22, 2020 06:28 PM (+c1jw)

213
Oyez! Oyez! Oyez! God save the United States and this Honorable Court.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 22, 2020 06:28 PM (mht8P)

214 And I think what usually happens in this "10 days to explain yourself" writ is the judge just dismisses and the point is then moot.
We'll see

Posted by: artemis at May 22, 2020 06:28 PM (AwPyG)

215 I think this will be a 2-1 decision telling Sullivan to get fucked.

Maybe 3-0.

We shall see how far the rabbit hole goes if a Reagan appointee OKs this Judicial activism.

Posted by: Czech Chick at May 22, 2020 06:28 PM (haWye)

216 Seconded. Moots my question to alex.
Posted by: runner at May 22, 2020 06:17 PM (zr5Kq)

Good use of legal speak

***tip o' the cap***

Posted by: browndog at May 22, 2020 06:28 PM (gD6Ka)

217 Sullivan will be 73 years old next month.

Is retiring in disgrace too much to hope for?

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at May 22, 2020 06:28 PM (sWM8x)

218 171 A day or two ago, Gutfeld on The Five said the Guvnor shutdowns was "the French Revolution meets the American Revolution".

I am still trying to figure out what he meant.

The difference between the two Revolutions is exactly the difference between the Trumpublican Party and the Democrats.
Posted by: t-bird at May 22, 2020 06:21 PM (qHgVt)


Fu**ing French bastards.

I want a damned haircut!

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at May 22, 2020 06:28 PM (sy5kK)

219 If Sullivan had any honor at all, he would simply drop his hijnx. He won't.

Posted by: Hesco Gypsy, staring from 457 meters at May 22, 2020 06:29 PM (kbvR/)

220 204 Leftists have been fighting for equality ever since. Even today it is there stated main goal.

Posted by: Skip at May 22, 2020 06:29 PM (ZCEU2)

221 US v Ammidown may pull the rug out from under Powell. Sullivan may get get his circus.

Posted by: occam's brassiere at May 22, 2020 06:29 PM (ja/kn)

222
Isn't it "Further deponent sayeth not"?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 22, 2020 06:27 PM (rpbg1)


I'm pre-med.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 22, 2020 06:29 PM (mht8P)

223 206 154 Oooh, ooh, " en banc"!! that's some good lawyerese!! Moar please!
Posted by: tubal at May 22, 2020 06:18 PM (bCLt0)

LOL, all the best Lawyerese terms are old Norman French. Well, except that ones like Res Ipsa (that someone brought up) which are Latin. The entire legal profession loves to show off what they studied in their undergrad careers.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 22, 2020 06:27 PM (trdmm)


They are as obscure as doctors. The occult language of the overchargeing class.

Posted by: tubal at May 22, 2020 06:29 PM (bCLt0)

224 Imagine how filthy a hotel room would be wherein a homeless person has lived for 2 months.
Posted by: Seems Legit at May 22, 2020 06:24 PM (jUVms)

Gotta clean it using a black light.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 22, 2020 06:30 PM (Z+IKu)

225 So has Sullivan been investigated yet?

Drugs, whores, property, vacations, mental capacity to sit the bench, etc, etc.

Something is amiss with this fella.


There's talk that his son makes Hunter look like a choirboy, so Sullivan owes people big-time.

Posted by: t-bird at May 22, 2020 06:30 PM (1554F)

226 181 It truly is amazing that Barack Hussein Obama,Greatest Perfessor of Law From Harvard , Ever, is not stepping in to pontificate on this matter.
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Actually, he has. He was the one who suggested, in a "leaked" phone call, that Flynn should be charged with perjury.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at May 22, 2020 06:30 PM (k4dH2)

227
LOL, all the best Lawyerese terms are old Norman French. Well, except that ones like Res Ipsa (that someone brought up) which are Latin. The entire legal profession loves to show off what they studied in their undergrad careers.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 22, 2020 06:27 PM (trdmm)



Someone I went to law school with was dating a woman who was a classics major and was fluent in Latin.

Whenever we would lawyer Latin her eyes would begin to bleed and she would scream THAT'S NOT WHAT THAT MEANS LIKE AT ALL.

It was fantastic.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at May 22, 2020 06:30 PM (GbPPJ)

228 A day or two ago, Gutfeld on The Five said the Guvnor shutdowns was "the French Revolution meets the American Revolution".

I am still trying to figure out what he meant.

===

good cooking meets ....yeah, no clue

Posted by: runner at May 22, 2020 06:30 PM (zr5Kq)

229
Sullivan was told to shove it up his autrefois acquit.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 22, 2020 06:30 PM (mht8P)

230 >Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around


thank you for that explanation, and the dissemination of facts that I heretofore had been ipso factum in ignorance thereof

y'all know the minutiae of the case way better than me!

Posted by: DB- just DB. at May 22, 2020 06:31 PM (iTXRQ)

231 That's the kind of comment that justifies the Platinum membership.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 22, 2020 06:18 PM (ZLI7S)

____________

Ace posted one of my Tweets in a random thread once. And I have like 90 followers because I only began posting on Twitter in the last few months.

That's all the thanks I will ever need.

Tweet makes AceofSpades=Made It.

Ready to die now.

Posted by: Scalito at May 22, 2020 06:31 PM (hoPJy)

232 Its my understanding what Judge Sullivan did was a first ever action.

Posted by: Skip at May 22, 2020 06:31 PM (ZCEU2)

233 What is unusual, I think, is that they cited authority in their order.
Normally they're one line, do this by this date.

That's them saying, we haven't ruled yet, but here's the cases we're going to follow when we do--hint, hint.

Posted by: RoyalOil at May 22, 2020 06:31 PM (aO8Gd)

234 Sullivan is an Obama Kamikazi. Same deal with Jackson. These are supposed to be smart people. What happened?

Posted by: Puddi Head at May 22, 2020 06:31 PM (QZCjk)

235 197

oh sure Clyde, probably that twitter thing about Whitmer is fake

but I actually have no problem with people just smearing her at this point

Posted by: HostageBlackOrchid at May 22, 2020 06:26 PM

I have a big problem with people smearing her when there is so much FACTUAL stuff about her on which to attack her.

When people start making shit up, the Left uses that to disregard everything else that person then states, even if everything else they state is 100% correct.

They did that with the Plademic video. There were a lot of facts in that video, including the use of HCQ and the fact that healthy people wearing masks all the time is not useful. But the Left deemed it a conspiracy video based on a few things the female Doctor said about Fauci and that made everything in the video deemed conspiracy.

It's stupid to lie when there are so many factual things that can tar and feather Whitmer. If people start making shit up about her that is easily proven wrong, that will only give her defenders more ammunition to beat back her opposition and make the accusation that everything her opponents say is made up.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at May 22, 2020 06:31 PM (Do5/p)

236 When I hear mandamus I reach for my gun. Oh, wait

Posted by: tubal at May 22, 2020 06:32 PM (bCLt0)

237 200
162 notsothoreau, the Ranger School at Harmony Church on Fort Benning
that many of us graduated from (and I guess many, many others did not)
has gone back to forest. They opened a new school over by where Ranger
Regiment headquarters is. There's nothing there any more but woods and a
plaque by the side of the road.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at May 22, 2020 06:26 PM (1me8P)


What class were you in?

Posted by: Javems at May 22, 2020 06:32 PM (ofIwF)

238 > I'm not sure the Obama judge is a lost cause. All 3 judges voted on this order, it was unanimous.

Obama lost quite a few 9-0 cases at SCOTUS, as I recall.

Judges might be partisan, but quite a few of them recognize that, lacking power of the purse or strength of arms, their soft power can vanish instantly if they ever act too aggressively against either branch, or in a way that too greatly undermines public respect for rule of law or their sort-of neutrality in enforcing it. Judges can shove the legal overton window left or right, or work within it, but that's about it.

Posted by: perilisk at May 22, 2020 06:33 PM (9p+wn)

239 For something completely different, FOLD3 genealogy records are free to look at through the Memorial Day weekend.
The screen for my Dads WWII draft card showed he was 5 9 and 130 pounds. His gets got bigger. Anyway, the site is

fold3.com

Posted by: First Post Today at May 22, 2020 06:33 PM (Ir9c8)

240 Speaking of lawyerese- I always wondered why that Regina chick was so litigious.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at May 22, 2020 06:33 PM (87EdW)

241 Whenever we would lawyer Latin her eyes would begin to bleed and she would scream THAT'S NOT WHAT THAT MEANS LIKE AT ALL.

It was fantastic.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at May 22, 2020 06:30 PM (GbPPJ)
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Semper ubi sub ubi.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, 1st Murder Hornet Squadron at May 22, 2020 06:33 PM (4o2K3)

242 LOL, all the best Lawyerese terms are old Norman French. Well, except that ones like Res Ipsa (that someone brought up) which are Latin. The entire legal profession loves to show off what they studied in their undergrad careers.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 22, 2020 06:27 PM (trdmm)
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Way back when I had to appear in court about the child support I paid, I always had to get this form that I called, "The Pauper Form."

Quick search tells me it is "Forma Pauperis."

I don't know Latin but even I could tell what it meant.

Blue collar plus child support=pauper.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 22, 2020 06:33 PM (WEBkv)

243 This 'Mandamus' I keep hearing about, his first name isn't Jean Claude, is it?

Posted by: davidt at May 22, 2020 06:33 PM (l3+k2)

244 Fu**ing French bastards.

I want a damned haircut!
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at May 22, 2020 06:28 PM (sy5kK)

Just step right up.

Posted by: Samson at May 22, 2020 06:34 PM (BJKQV)

245 I had an amicus on my mandamus once. Doc gave me some antibiotics and it cleared right up.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at May 22, 2020 06:34 PM (+0AKE)

246 224 or Hairyback Guy burning it to the ground to be sure

Posted by: Skip at May 22, 2020 06:34 PM (ZCEU2)

247 >>>So has Sullivan been investigated yet?
Drugs, whores, property, vacations, mental capacity to sit the bench, etc, etc.
Something is amiss with this fella.<<<


It's coronaviagra. That shit lasts like, at least a term.

Posted by: Fritz at May 22, 2020 06:34 PM (95j/9)

248 195 Did they cite Jarndyce v. Jarndyce?
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 22, 2020

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I hope not. This case could drag on for 20 years.
Posted by: Charles Dickens at May 22, 2020 06:25 PM (rpbg1)


The movie starring Dustin Hoffman and Meryl Streep, fighting over that cute little kid?

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg, trying to keep up at May 22, 2020 06:35 PM (sy5kK)

249 >>Ace posted one of my Tweets in a random thread once. And I have like 90 followers because I only began posting on Twitter in the last few months.

>>That's all the thanks I will ever need.

>>Tweet makes AceofSpades=Made It.

>>Ready to die now.

Just wait, he will turn on you someday with some outrageous libel.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 22, 2020 06:35 PM (ZLI7S)

250 243 This 'Mandamus' I keep hearing about, his first name isn't Jean Claude, is it?


Nah, 'Mandamus' was the 70s movie about the black slave lawyer banging his white mistress.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 22, 2020 06:35 PM (oVJmc)

251 I still have my theory that the Flynn firing and this lawsuit is some kind of a trap. I wonder if the trap was for VP Pence? Something doesn't add up--obviously Flynn didn't "lie" to Pence, and Flynn is not the sort of person to speak freely to people he KNOWS are the bad guys.

Posted by: artemis at May 22, 2020 06:35 PM (AwPyG)

252 234 Sullivan is an Obama Kamikazi. Same deal with Jackson. These are supposed to be smart people. What happened?
Posted by: Puddi Head at May 22, 2020 06:31 PM (QZCjk)



Obama didn't just spy on Trump and only Trump.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Join The Masquerade with Quality Facial Wear from The Outrage Outlet! at May 22, 2020 06:35 PM (0QYMt)

253 The dumbest fn dog chained to a tree, knows exactly where that chain ends.

Not so much with this Sullivan dog.

Posted by: BluesFish at May 22, 2020 06:36 PM (gC4Ho)

254 Just wait, he will turn on you someday with some outrageous libel.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 22, 2020 06:35 PM (ZLI7S)
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Whatever, dope fiend.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 22, 2020 06:36 PM (WEBkv)

255 I can understand things going back to the woods. But these were communities that existed at least 50 years. I suspect it wasn't profitable to farm there, maybe failing after the Depression.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at May 22, 2020 06:36 PM (Lqy/e)

256 I'm not a doctor, either, but I do give free medical advice.
Posted by: Weasel at May 22, 2020 06:19 PM

Will you take a look at this taint rash?

Posted by: Pendulating Richard at May 22, 2020 06:36 PM (d6DSt)

257 Ace stopped at point 22 on twitter.

There was a point 23:

23. This promises to be anything but dull going forward.

Somehow, I see Sullivan "responding" in some way.

Posted by: Palindrome Paduan at May 22, 2020 06:36 PM (AHq56)

258 Just wait, he will turn on you someday with some outrageous libel.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 22, 2020 06:35 PM (ZLI7S)

Then you've REALLY made it!

Posted by: browndog at May 22, 2020 06:37 PM (gD6Ka)

259 Detroit police have arrested the animal that beat an elderly nursing home patient in Detroit that was videotaped and went viral this afternoon.

Posted by: Jen the original at May 22, 2020 06:37 PM (UYnB5)

260
dumbest fn dog

We own him!

http://soyaraborzoi.com/Dan.htm

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 22, 2020 06:37 PM (mht8P)

261
Whatever, dope fiend.



It's the horse tranquilizers talking.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 22, 2020 06:37 PM (oVJmc)

262 There is one more way to respond to this traitor to the Constitution. Tar, Feathers, and a Rail.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 22, 2020 06:37 PM (pw+jk)

263
Detroit police have arrested the animal that beat an elderly nursing
home patient in Detroit that was videotaped and went viral this
afternoon.

Posted by: Jen the original at May 22, 2020 06:37 PM (UYnB5)

===
NOT A HATE CRIME BECAUSE SHUT UP.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 22, 2020 06:38 PM (pw+jk)

264 Sullivan is an Obama Kamikazi. Same deal with Jackson. These are supposed to be smart people. What happened?
Posted by: Puddi Head at May 22, 2020 06:31 PM (QZCjk)

They are like rats caught in a small room with the terrier on their ass.

They say that Nikolai Yezhov, while they were trying to shoot him in his little cell, hoped around like a rat from wall to wall before finally getting his due.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 22, 2020 06:38 PM (Z+IKu)

265 Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at May 22, 2020 06:26 PM (GbPPJ)

Do With Holder and Obama have any way they can get that appeal court to back off of Irish Sullivan?

Posted by: clutch at May 22, 2020 06:39 PM (PYnuI)

266 Actually a French Revolution vs a American
Revolution is a good analysis. The French revolution was almost entirely
about equality. The American Revolution was about individual freedom.

Posted by: Skip at May 22, 2020 06:26 PM (ZCEU2)


I always said the next time the country sees mass gunfire its going to be a combination of the french revolution, the American revolution, and the American civil war. Its definitely going to have elements of all 3.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at May 22, 2020 06:39 PM (9Om/r)

267 Just wait, he will turn on you someday with some outrageous libel.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 22, 2020 06:35 PM (ZLI7S)
~~~~~

I dunno. I've always found Ace to be a pretty good judge of character.

Posted by: IrishEi at May 22, 2020 06:39 PM (sGotD)

268 @Javems, 4-83. White thread.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at May 22, 2020 06:39 PM (jK8Z7)

269 The fact that any of this is necessary to secure simple justice, extreme or not, speaks volumes to the state of the judiciary.

Oh, and FISA.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 22, 2020 06:39 PM (EZebt)

270 The White House spokes-hero needs to point out that the OBAMA WHITE HOUSE spied on THEM too!

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at May 22, 2020 06:39 PM (gAXBD)

271 Actually, he has. He was the one who suggested, in a "leaked" phone call, that Flynn should be charged with perjury.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at May 22, 2020 06:30 PM (k4dH2)

Obama wrongly said Flynn was charged with perjury (wrong) and then pontificated that no one ever withdrew a gully plea to perjury (also wrong). Flynn; was charged with lying to the FBI, not perjury, and lots of people including some under Obama's own DOJ withdrew guilty pleas to perjury.

Surprisingly (or not?) Obama has sort of shut up on the topic since then.

Posted by: LASue at May 22, 2020 06:39 PM (Ed8Zd)

272 Why the hell would anyone film themselves beating an elderly person?

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at May 22, 2020 06:39 PM (+0AKE)

273 So, I just finished watchin White Lines on Netflix, What should I watch next?

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at May 22, 2020 06:39 PM (NI4rU)

274 Imagine how filthy a hotel room would be wherein a homeless person has lived for 2 months.

--

Do not pull back the sheet or look under the mattress. As a matter of fact, don't look anywhere.

Posted by: Lady in Black at May 22, 2020 06:40 PM (O+I8R)

275 @Berserker, throw in some Yugoslavia too.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at May 22, 2020 06:40 PM (jK8Z7)

276 Whenever we would lawyer Latin her eyes would begin to bleed and she would scream THAT'S NOT WHAT THAT MEANS LIKE AT ALL.

It was fantastic.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around.

How do you say court clerk in legal Latin? Res ipsa docketer.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 22, 2020 06:40 PM (+y/Ru)

277 Just wait, he will turn on you someday with some outrageous libel.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 22, 2020 06:35 PM (ZLI7S)

_________________________

Lol. So long as he doesn't compare me to David French or Jonah Goldberg, I can take it.

Posted by: Scalito at May 22, 2020 06:40 PM (hoPJy)

278 271 Surprisingly (or not?) Obama has sort of shut up on the topic since then.



Too busy packing up his things to flee the country ...

Posted by: Palindrome Paduan at May 22, 2020 06:41 PM (AHq56)

279 116

I want to know why the Michigan legislature doesn't just toss her out on her ear?

Though, the AG for Michigan appears to be cut from the same cloth.

So, perhaps the cure is worse than the disease.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 22, 2020 06:13 PM


Because the GOP does not have a veto-proof majority in the Michigan legislature. Plus, she has already painted their lawsuit against her as a "power-grab" and made them appear to be heartless jackasses who want people to die in the middle of a pandemic.

And they're a bunch of pussies who refuse to use all the ammunition they have in fighting back (i.e. the smearing of a barber, the opening of a gay sex club, the sending people to die in nursing homes, etc.).

And, yeah, Nessel is an even more rabid Karen than Whitmer.

Plus they have the universal defense of being liberal women. An attack on them is automatically an attack on all women, no matter the issue.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at May 22, 2020 06:41 PM (Do5/p)

280 >>I dunno. I've always found Ace to be a pretty good judge of character.

That's cause you are usually drunk. You know how you people are.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 22, 2020 06:41 PM (ZLI7S)

281 Just wait, he will turn on you someday with some outrageous libel.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 22, 2020 06:35 PM (ZLI7S)

==
No, it is cold and furious vengeance.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 22, 2020 06:42 PM (pw+jk)

282 Semper ubi sub ubi.

The dog knows it's never a real ghost?

Posted by: DaveA at May 22, 2020 06:42 PM (FhXTo)

283 268
@Javems, 4-83. White thread.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at May 22, 2020 06:39 PM (jK8Z7)


9-69 here.

Posted by: Javems at May 22, 2020 06:42 PM (ofIwF)

284 Do not pull back the sheet or look under the mattress. As a matter of fact, don't look anywhere.

Posted by: Lady in Black at May 22, 2020 06:40 PM (O+I8R)
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I wonder how many hotels are going to just have to gut rooms and refurbish them?

I just don't see any way to get the room clean again, after housing a bunch of homeless people.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 22, 2020 06:42 PM (WEBkv)

285
Will you take a look at this taint rash?
Posted by: Pendulating Richard at May 22, 2020 06:36 PM (d6DSt)
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Imbalanced bodily humors
Hot iron, STAT!

Posted by: Weasel at May 22, 2020 06:42 PM (+c1jw)

286
Do With Holder and Obama have any way they can get that appeal court to back off of Irish Sullivan?
Posted by: clutch at May 22, 2020 06:39 PM (PYnuI)


wut

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at May 22, 2020 06:42 PM (GbPPJ)

287 Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at May 22, 2020 06:39 PM

Think you could be right

Posted by: Skip at May 22, 2020 06:42 PM (ZCEU2)

288 Do With Holder and Obama have any way they can get that appeal court to back off of Irish Sullivan?
Posted by: clutch

Hillz could send her thugs out

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 22, 2020 06:42 PM (+y/Ru)

289 SAMMY HAGAR Says He Is 'Not Afraid' Of Contracting COVID-19: 'I'm Not Locking Down Anymore'

Posted by: Mark1971 at May 22, 2020 06:43 PM (xPl2J)

290 Who the hell picked the paint color in Ben Domenech's house?

Posted by: IrishEi at May 22, 2020 06:43 PM (sGotD)

291 221 US v Ammidown may pull the rug out from under Powell. Sullivan may get get his circus.
Posted by: occam's brassiere at May 22, 2020 06:29 PM (ja/kn)


Not a chance

Posted by: Balrog of Morgoth at May 22, 2020 06:43 PM (CLteG)

292 Devil's advocate, and a warning against high expectations: Appellate court asked Sullivan to cite authority for his decision not to dismiss (yet). Very narrow question. In his order Sullivan cited Fokker ( which the appellate court mentioned too) and his "inherent authority". Arguably there's dicta in Fokker that stands for the proposition that "leave of court" is more than a formality. So there's that little bit for Sullivan. "Inherent authority" is straight bullshit, and offered only after conflating civil and criminal procedure. Very weak. So, the appellate court has asked Sullivan, essentially, "what else ya got?" Sullivan is going to cite US v Ammidown, which flat out says a judge can inquire into the whys and wherefores of a dismissal request by prosecution. Ammidown is old and Fokker probably overrules it, but it's arguable. Sullivan will point that out. The appellate court...even the 2 more conservative judges...could say "Good enough, then. OK. Carry on." Don't believe the hype, this one ain't a slam dunk.

Posted by: occam's brassiere at May 22, 2020 06:43 PM (ja/kn)

293 252....Obama didn't just spy on Trump and only Trump.

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When this all comes out we will see that judge Roberts was also spied on... Wonder what kind of shitstorm that will cause. 8 years of rulings under question.

Posted by: Pliney at May 22, 2020 06:43 PM (nzKWW)

294 Detroit police have arrested the animal that beat an elderly nursing
home patient in Detroit that was videotaped and went viral this
afternoon.

Posted by: Jen the original at May 22, 2020 06:37 PM (UYnB5)


Thanks to James Woods for bringing attention to this horrific event. (I don't think the horrible animal taped himself; I think it was made by hidden camera. )

Posted by: LASue at May 22, 2020 06:43 PM (Ed8Zd)

295 I saw Taint Rash open up for RATT in 93 at the Cow Palace.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 22, 2020 06:44 PM (pw+jk)

296 Plus they have the universal defense of being liberal women. An attack on them is automatically an attack on all women, no matter the issue.
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at May 22, 2020 06:41 PM (Do5/p)
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Got it.

And it's very sad.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 22, 2020 06:44 PM (WEBkv)

297 @Javems, that almost certainly means you were involved in the fun and games in Southeast Asia.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at May 22, 2020 06:44 PM (jK8Z7)

298 Will you take a look at this taint rash?
Posted by: Pendulating Richard at May 22, 2020 06:36 PM (d6DSt)
-----
Imbalanced bodily humors
Hot iron, STAT!
Posted by: Weasel at May 22, 2020 06:42 PM (+c1jw)
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Nonsense! Bleeding is clearly called for. A pound of blood, at the least.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, 1st Murder Hornet Squadron at May 22, 2020 06:44 PM (4o2K3)

299 259 Detroit police have arrested the animal that beat an elderly nursing home patient in Detroit that was videotaped and went viral this afternoon.
Posted by: Jen the original at May 22, 2020 06:37 PM (UYnB5)

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I heard it was three patients he beat.

Posted by: rd at May 22, 2020 06:45 PM (+0uDE)

300 Allahpundit is saying now that churches don't have to be reopened by Trump, because they can just sue. So, apparently, that way they can reopen two years from now, at which point the Democrats will find a new way to keep them closed. So I propose that as a former government employee, I nationalize Jill Biden for the use of the morons here. If Joe doesn't like us taking our turns with her, he can take it to court.

Posted by: Ken at May 22, 2020 06:45 PM (Agz0w)

301

OT

Dennis Rodman, in the NY Post, commented today about his rotund NK buddy:

"I do have communications with North Korea, but I can say this, though: If you see his sister on TV, running the country, now you know something is wrong, that's all I'm going give you, Rodman, 58, told Good Morning Britain host Piers Morgan, according to the report.


I would certainly trust the view of Dennis Rodman over Xi-NN or any of the other Progda news outlets, especially regarding Wo-Fat's future.

Which is a very sad commentary on our news outlets today.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg, trying to keep up at May 22, 2020 06:45 PM (sy5kK)

302 Imbalanced bodily humors
Hot iron, STAT!
Posted by: Weasel at May 22, 2020 06:42 PM (+c1jw)
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Before or after the leeches?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 22, 2020 06:45 PM (WEBkv)

303
You DICK.

Posted by: DC Apellate Court at May 22, 2020 06:45 PM (4ZCO9)

304 Fixed....[CBD]

Posted by: occam's brassiere at May 22, 2020 06:46 PM (ja/kn)

305 301 Rodman, 58, told Good Morning Britain host Piers Morgan, according to the report.


Almost 100 IQ points between them.

Posted by: Palindrome Paduan at May 22, 2020 06:46 PM (AHq56)

306
Before or after the leeches?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 22, 2020 06:45 PM (WEBkv)
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Leeches first, then bleeding, then hot iron.

Posted by: Weasel at May 22, 2020 06:46 PM (+c1jw)

307 When this all comes out we will see that judge Roberts was also spied on... Wonder what kind of shitstorm that will cause. 8 years of rulings under question.
Posted by: Pliney at May 22, 2020 06:43 PM (nzKWW)

Possible.... and would explain a few things.

Posted by: LASue at May 22, 2020 06:46 PM (Ed8Zd)

308 Rodman, 58,


That is a vicious lie.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at May 22, 2020 06:47 PM (GbPPJ)

309
SAMMY HAGAR Says He Is 'Not Afraid' Of Contracting COVID-19: 'I'm Not Locking Down Anymore'

He can't drive 55.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - Have you reported in to your assigned Contact Tracer today? at May 22, 2020 06:47 PM (2KNZv)

310 Michigan AG is all upset 1 man didn't have a mask on.

Posted by: Skip at May 22, 2020 06:47 PM (ZCEU2)

311 I think I saw on the interview with the Iceman that he killed a few people and stuffed them under the bed in their motel rooms and never did hear if they found them.

Kuklinski had a sense of humor.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 22, 2020 06:47 PM (Z+IKu)

312 Don't believe the hype, this one ain't a slam dunk.
Posted by: occam's brassiere at May 22, 2020 06:43 PM (ja/kn)

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Ok, ok. We'll give him a trial then we'll execute him.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 22, 2020 06:48 PM (EZebt)

313 Leeches first, then bleeding, then hot iron.
Posted by: Weasel at May 22, 2020 06:46 PM (+c1jw)
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Crud, I should have been a doctor!

Posted by: Marquis de Sade at May 22, 2020 06:48 PM (WEBkv)

314 263
Detroit police have arrested the animal that beat an elderly nursing
home patient in Detroit that was videotaped and went viral this
afternoon.

Posted by: Jen the original at May 22, 2020 06:37 PM (UYnB5)

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NOT A HATE CRIME BECAUSE SHUT UP.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 22, 2020 06:38 PM (pw+jk)


Yep, local story.

Move along.

Posted by: Xi-NN at May 22, 2020 06:48 PM (sy5kK)

315 297
@Javems, that almost certainly means you were involved in the fun and games in Southeast Asia.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at May 22, 2020 06:44 PM (jK8Z7)


Roger that, 1970-1971.

Posted by: Javems at May 22, 2020 06:49 PM (ofIwF)

316 300 Allahpundit is saying....

I stopped right there.

Posted by: jsg at May 22, 2020 06:49 PM (6Swfv)

317 I just wanted to say from the post below, the judge using the phrase " fundamental liberties" is huge.

That's been a dormant right for 90 years

Posted by: RoyalOil at May 22, 2020 06:49 PM (aO8Gd)

318
I'm not sure the Obama judge is a lost cause. All 3 judges voted on this order, it was unanimous.



What Sullivan did was so far out of bounds maybe even he can't ignore it.

Posted by: JackStraw
....
He wants this put to bed as much as the conservative judges!
Every day this hangs out there, the worse it reflects on Obama himself.
They've (Obama's intel crooks) been caught with their hand in the cookie jar.. now they just wanna make it go away... as fast as possible.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 22, 2020 06:50 PM (CjFDo)

319 Of course a clear-thinking, rational man in Sullivan's position MAY consider saving face and career, and the positive effect it would have on the judiciary, at this point to simply throw in the towel - issue the order GRANTING the motion to dismiss stressing that upon further consideration of law that he has seen the light. But we know historically that this is NEVER how the left responds to something like this. They will destroy everyone around them going down in an embarrassing flaming ball of failure if it means holding on to every single last tiny hope of success no matter how ridiculous it is to do so. This is the legacy of Obama. They'll go thru the process of filing their stupid response to the appellate court with wildly idiotic and flimsy argument of why Flynn should be prosecuted and bring down the judiciary in the process because they expect to go up the chain and argue this to the Supreme Court and make this thing a total spectacle in hopes of damaging Trump. This is why we are likely soon to devolve into a physical revolution because they will stop at nothing, and they have enough nutty judges to give them what they want.

Posted by: Sheepish Chuckle at May 22, 2020 06:50 PM (8Pmuj)

320 Rodman, nursing home beat downs, insane Attorney General.

Detroit has the Florida Man Triple Crown Award this week.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at May 22, 2020 06:50 PM (gAXBD)

321 I nationalize Jill Biden for the use of the morons
here. If Joe doesn't like us taking our turns with her, he can take it
to court.

Posted by: Ken at May 22, 2020 06:45 PM (Agz0w)

Somebody else can gladly have my turn. lol

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at May 22, 2020 06:51 PM (9Om/r)

322 Allahpundit is a crashing bore of a fool.

Not all churches can afford to sue, dummy. And such a clear infringement on the First shouldn't require legal recourse.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 22, 2020 06:51 PM (WEBkv)

323 @occams, no doubt Judge Sullivan has to distinguish Fokker, but it's not a slam dunk. I could see him at least getting to go to oral argument based on ripeness and the fact that this is an interlocutory motion in an ongoing proceeding that is basically asking the Circuit Court to force the District Court to rule on a pending motion, where the District Court's timetable for said pending motion is already set. In other words, just hold your horses and let's see what happens before y'all jump all in my business. That could work.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at May 22, 2020 06:51 PM (jK8Z7)

324 Clyde the Michigan Legislature filed an appeal with the Michigan Court of Appeals an hour ago. This is going to end up in the Michigan Supreme Court. Meanwhile Sweet Gretchen an hour ago extended the stay at home order until June 12th. She then declared a state of emergency while giving the finger to the legislature until June 19.

Posted by: Jen the original at May 22, 2020 06:51 PM (UYnB5)

325 Okay, JackStaw, be that way.

Posted by: IrishEi at May 22, 2020 06:51 PM (sGotD)

326 OT-James Woods theorizes that because of his racist comment on Blacks voting for Dems that it's almost guaranteed that Stacy Abrams will be his running mate. I don't know about that, but I'd be surprised if he didn't pick a black running mate.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 22, 2020 06:52 PM (+eVzC)

327 Allahpundit is saying....

I stopped right there.

--

Amazingly, I think that about many, many people who are quoted. As soon as I see their names and a quote coming next, I move on. I don't give it one second of my time.

Posted by: Lady in Black at May 22, 2020 06:52 PM (O+I8R)

328
Emmet Sullivan should be taken out and horsewhipped.

Two glasses of wine and my regulator goes out the window.

Fuck him and everyone like him. Utter loathing for them straight up.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 22, 2020 06:52 PM (s2VJv)

329 Does Roberts believe his bull shit there are no Obummer judges and Trump judges, Clinton judges?

Posted by: Skip at May 22, 2020 06:52 PM (ZCEU2)

330 If I understand correctly, Sullivan went off on some
sort of rant against Flynn, which effectively put Sullivan way out on a
legal limb and Sullivan doesn't want to climb back down.



It appears the Appellate court has appeared just behind Judge
Sullivan and offered to saw the limb off that Sullivan is on, unless he
climbs back down.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 22, 2020 06:07 PM (WEBkv)

When Flynn petitioned to take back his (coerced) guilty plea, Sullivan went on a rant which included opining that Flynn should be changed with treason (?!?!?!?)

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at May 22, 2020 06:53 PM (nAiE/)

331 Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 22, 2020 06:51 PM (WEBkv)

The church which I serve certainly couldn't afford to sue.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 22, 2020 06:53 PM (+eVzC)

332 326 OT-James Woods theorizes that because of his racist comment on Blacks voting for Dems that it's almost guaranteed that Stacy Abrams will be his running mate. I don't know about that, but I'd be surprised if he didn't pick a black running mate.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 22, 2020 06:52 PM (+eVzC)


The schvartze broad from the shampeachment inquisition is also being vetted. Forget her name.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 22, 2020 06:53 PM (s2VJv)

333 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 22, 2020 06:52 PM (+eVzC)

Sorry; Left this out Because of BIDEN's comment...

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 22, 2020 06:54 PM (+eVzC)

334 305 301 Rodman, 58, told Good Morning Britain host Piers Morgan, according to the report.


Almost 100 IQ points between them.

Posted by: Palindrome Paduan at May 22, 2020 06:46 PM (AHq56)


With the exception - and it's a big one - of guns, Piers Morgan has got his mind right over the past few years.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 22, 2020 06:54 PM (s2VJv)

335 329
Does Roberts believe his bull shit there are no Obummer judges and Trump judges, Clinton judges?

Posted by: Skip at May 22, 2020 06:52 PM (ZCEU2)

Let me look in my files ...

Posted by: Barack HO at May 22, 2020 06:54 PM (AHq56)

336 Biden has said he will pick a black running mate, who will it be?

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at May 22, 2020 06:54 PM (NI4rU)

337 Dennis Rodman, North Korean Expert.

Can I switch over to the parallel universe they recently detected in Antarctica? They must have their shit together better than here.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at May 22, 2020 06:55 PM (HmZuC)

338 328
Emmet Sullivan should be taken out and horsewhipped.

Two glasses of wine and my regulator goes out the window.

Fuck him and everyone like him. Utter loathing for them straight up.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 22, 2020 06:52 PM (s2VJv)


What's being poured at the Sefton residence this evening, out of curiosity?

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at May 22, 2020 06:56 PM (sy5kK)

339 143: The one wrinkle to Sullivan's response is that here, the actual parties / litigants to the case agree that the matter should be dismissed, with prejudice.

So, it makes sense, in a way, for there to be a response from Sullivan, because a response from the DOJ would not be adversarial.
The thing is, they didn't allow Sullivan to be represented by an amicus. They wanted him to respond personally, and fast enough that it would be before Gleeson filed his own amicus briefs.
Don't be surprised if the amicus essentially writes an argument for Sullivan, that Sullivan passes off as his own. If Sullivan wants to go down flying his flag high, that's what will happen.

Posted by: Revenant at May 22, 2020 06:56 PM (bD2Jh)

340 326
OT-James Woods theorizes that because of his racist comment on Blacks
voting for Dems that it's almost guaranteed that Stacy Abrams will be
his running mate. I don't know about that, but I'd be surprised if he
didn't pick a black running mate.


there is one obvious answer that would tick all the boxes.

Posted by: RuPaul at May 22, 2020 06:56 PM (kf5Ci)

341 Piers Morgan has got his mind right over the past few years.



Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 22, 2020 06:54 PM (s2VJv)

He's been blowing hot and cold all this week. I never read his articles but I see the front page summaries on the daily-mail most days.

Posted by: Palindrome Paduan at May 22, 2020 06:56 PM (AHq56)

342 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 22, 2020 06:53 PM (s2VJv)

She's awful too. I think they ought to go with Oprah.
Kamala or Stacy or the impeachment lady have such unpleasant personalities

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 22, 2020 06:56 PM (+eVzC)

343
Oh, and yes, eff those corrupt bastards.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at May 22, 2020 06:56 PM (sy5kK)

344 >>> Biden has said he will pick a black running mate, who will it be?
~~~~~

He said he would pick a woman. I don't think he mentioned race.

Posted by: IrishEi at May 22, 2020 06:57 PM (sGotD)

345 336 Biden has said he will pick a black running mate, who will it be?
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at May 22, 2020 06:54 PM (NI4rU)

Oprah

Posted by: jsg at May 22, 2020 06:57 PM (6Swfv)

346 224 Imagine how filthy a hotel room would be wherein a homeless person has lived for 2 months.
Posted by: Seems Legit at May 22, 2020 06:24 PM (jUVms)

Gotta clean it using a black light.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 22, 2020 06:30 PM (Z+IKu)

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Clean it? Gut it to the studs and concrete and rebuild.

DO NOT Stay in any of the hotels they were housed in if you have a choice.

Posted by: rd at May 22, 2020 06:57 PM (+0uDE)

347 Here's the unrolled Thread Reader App maybe easier-to-read version of all those tweets:

https://tinyurl.com/y7rdryg5
Posted by: m at May 22, 2020 06:12 PM (5Yo9J)




That is a good resource for chain tweets.

/HINT HINT

Posted by: Burnt Toast at May 22, 2020 06:58 PM (1g7ch)

348 Of course super-atheist Allahpundit has the churches' best interests foremost in his mind.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 22, 2020 06:58 PM (oVJmc)

349 Biden has said he will pick a black running mate, who will it be?


Rachel Dolezal

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 22, 2020 06:59 PM (oVJmc)

350 Sullivan is going to cite US v Ammidown, which flat out says a judge can inquire into the whys and wherefores of a dismissal request by prosecution. "

You make a good point - but I don't think that even Ammidown would allow a Judge to institute new charges (like Perjury) entirely on his own volition, or to appoint his own prosecutor to supersede the entire DOJ.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 22, 2020 06:59 PM (trdmm)

351 Patterico and Lawfareblog hardest hit.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at May 22, 2020 07:00 PM (Lsba+)

352 Way back when I had to appear in court about the child support I paid, I always had to get this form that I called, "The Pauper Form."



That form ain't worth the pauper it's written on.

Posted by: Miklos, under the jailhouse lawyer at May 22, 2020 07:00 PM (QzkSJ)

353 @occams, re 323, I forgot to add that Sullivan also needs to say this is not about me, this is about all the trial court judges out there and their ability to manage their own courtrooms without constantly being subject to the litigants asking the appellate courts to intervene prematurely. If I'm Sullivan, I point out that I have a schedule already for briefs and arguments on the DOJ motion to dismiss, and the defendant can always appeal if found guilty or even enter an interlocutory appeal if I deny the DOJ's motion and make him go to trial. I don't know if that overcomes the separation of powers argument that Sullivan shouldn't be presiding over this case in the first place if both sides want it dismissed, but it's not crazy.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at May 22, 2020 07:00 PM (jK8Z7)

354 349 Biden has said he will pick a black running mate, who will it be?

Rachel Dolezal
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 22, 2020 06:59 PM (oVJmc)

Klobuchar with a lot of shoe polish and a nappy wig.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 22, 2020 07:00 PM (trdmm)

355 345 336 Biden has said he will pick a black running mate, who will it be?
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at May 22, 2020 06:54 PM (NI4rU)

Oprah
Posted by: jsg at May 22, 2020 06:57 PM (6Swfv)

I still don't see it, too much work for O.

Same for Big Mike.

They have their billions and millions, respectively, and have no time to be roasted by Hannity and worshiped by Lemon/Maddow.

Been there, done that.

Both are over 50 and want to live the good life.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at May 22, 2020 07:00 PM (sy5kK)

356
>>> Biden has said he will pick a black running mate, who will it be?


R. Kelly

Posted by: Mark1971 at May 22, 2020 07:00 PM (xPl2J)

357 I respect lawyers like I respect sexbots - so relax; everybody here is getting paid.

Posted by: Fritz at May 22, 2020 07:00 PM (95j/9)

358 I'm with Woods, Biden has to pick a black woman.

Amy didn't leak she was in the running-- Biden told her to in order to gauge the reaction: Zero excitment.

Lol, he is fucked.

Wanna know how to confirm?

If a reporter asks him if he supports Kamelas "calling it Wuhan flu is racist" resolution.

They've laid a trap and Biden is already in the cage.

Posted by: RoyalOil at May 22, 2020 07:01 PM (aO8Gd)

359 NOOD

Posted by: Skip the guy who calls noods at May 22, 2020 07:01 PM (ZCEU2)

360 324

Clyde the Michigan Legislature filed an appeal with the Michigan Court of Appeals an hour ago. This is going to end up in the Michigan Supreme Court. Meanwhile Sweet Gretchen an hour ago extended the stay at home order until June 12th. She then declared a state of emergency while giving the finger to the legislature until June 19.

Posted by: Jen the original at May 22, 2020 06:51 PM

Oooooh, they filed an appeal. THAT will show her!

She's been extending her orders since April 7th. She originally wanted 70-day extension from April 13th expiration of her first order. That would have taken the order through June 22nd.

But the legislature "pushed back" and agreed to "only" 23-day extension through April 30th.

She then extended that to May 15th.

Then extended that to May 29th.

And now apparently has extended to June 12th?

And I bet she comes back Jun 5th and gets another extension to June 22nd.

Which would end up giving her what she wanted all along.

So she's getting her 70-days, only by piecemeal.

And the GOP sits helpless to stop her. And voters are helpless to vote her out until 2022.

Not that I even think they'll vote her out anyway, since this state is full of Karens.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at May 22, 2020 07:01 PM (Do5/p)

361 Biden has said he will pick a black running mate, who will it be?




Corn Pop

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at May 22, 2020 07:02 PM (gAXBD)

362 Don't be surprised if the amicus essentially writes an argument for Sullivan, that Sullivan passes off as his own. If Sullivan wants to go down flying his flag high, that's what will happen.
Posted by: Revenant at May 22, 2020 06:56 PM (bD2Jh)

Likely, although I'd bet on Andrew Weismann doing the actual ghostwriting.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 22, 2020 07:03 PM (trdmm)

363 Poor Judge Sullivan would be reversing his own order immediately if this weren't such a high profile case. The dumb bastard is stuck because everyone knows what he did. This isn't an obscure case he can hide by reversing himself. To do that would be to admit he did the indefensible. So instead, he has to advocate something on his own behalf, which he likely hasn't done in 40 years, and his law clerks have never done because they are new attorneys.

It's hilarious. I am munching on popcorn it's so funny.
Posted by: Scalito at May 22, 2020 06:13 PM (hoPJy)


Then he should just say Fuck the World, "President (in Exile) Obama directed me to do it."

Posted by: Burnt Toast at May 22, 2020 07:03 PM (1g7ch)

364 Ammidown? This Ammidown decision?



"In this unusual case the trial judge rejected a plea bargain struck between the prosecution and the defense on the ground that the public interest required that the defendant be tried on a greater charge. Under the facts presented, we hold that the trial judge exceeded his discretion and accordingly reverse."

Posted by: Miklos, under the jailhouse lawyer at May 22, 2020 07:03 PM (QzkSJ)

365 @jsg, I think Biden bows out and the convention picks Oprah as the nominee. She is actually the person on their side I've feared the most.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at May 22, 2020 07:04 PM (jK8Z7)

366 >>>Meanwhile Sweet Gretchen an hour ago extended the stay at home order until June 12th. She then declared a state of emergency while giving the finger to the legislature until June 19.


Time to send Captain Willard up in a PBR to sort things out.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at May 22, 2020 07:04 PM (HmZuC)

367 317 I just wanted to say from the post below, the judge using the phrase " fundamental liberties" is huge.

That's been a dormant right for 90 years
Posted by: RoyalOil at May 22, 2020 06:49 PM (aO8Gd)

Like "consent of the governed"

Posted by: FloridaMan at May 22, 2020 07:05 PM (Dzs9E)

368 @Tom Servo, I'm 1000 percent sure Lawfare is working on it over the weekend. You know they are. It'll just show up on Sullivan's doorstep.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at May 22, 2020 07:06 PM (jK8Z7)

369 Time to send Captain Willard up in a PBR to sort things out.
Posted by: Citizen Cake at May 22, 2020 07:04 PM

Does he fit into a keg of PBR?

Posted by: Rusty Nail, smartass at May 22, 2020 07:07 PM (Lsba+)

370 "OT-James Woods theorizes that because of his racist comment on Blacks voting for Dems that it's almost guaranteed that Stacy Abrams will be his running mate."


Wait, I had something for this. "Butch and Sundown".

Posted by: perilisk at May 22, 2020 07:09 PM (9p+wn)

371 326

OT-James Woods theorizes that because of his racist comment on Blacks voting for Dems that it's almost guaranteed that Stacy Abrams will be his running mate. I don't know about that, but I'd be surprised if he didn't pick a black running mate.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 22, 2020 06:52 PM

The obvious person in my opinion is Michelle Obama. She would bring the "gravitas" and "energy" to the campaign in the same way that Sarah Palin brought it to the McCain campaign.

The goal for the Democrats is simply to keep everything from 2016 the same, except flip WI, MI and PA. And they win.

So they have to pick someone whom they think can help flip back to blue WI, MI and PA.

With the media protecting her, Hollywood fully engaged and supporting her, I think it's possible. They would also have Barack out there campaigning for both of them as well. Barack and Michelle would get rid of all the talk about racism and bring the Black vote back to the Democrat plantation.

Problem is that she's likely to become President soon after the inauguration, since Biden is long gone. The Left can also send the wink-wink message to their base that this would basically be 4-8 more years of an Barack Obama Administration.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at May 22, 2020 07:11 PM (Do5/p)

372 I'm not sure the Obama judge is a lost cause. According to this thread, Wilkins must have agreed with the other two judges or his dissent would have been noted on the order:

https://twitter.com/ProfMJCleveland/status/1263808275956539393

Posted by: Keyser at May 22, 2020 07:12 PM (v8/5X)

373 I will be the next vice prez'snit.

Posted by: Talcom X at May 22, 2020 07:13 PM (/LQkF)

374 @353, Caesar...true, but Sullivan's opening pandora's box if he gets into his scheduling. He's had Flynn's request to change plea and various motions to dismiss based on Brady violations before him for quite a while. A rocket docket this ain't. But anyway, I think the appellate panel will ignore anything along those lines. "That's nice" they'll say. "We asked you one simple question. Answer it please." If he answers persuasively (ie, Ammidown and Fokker are in tension, I'd like the chance to resolve them) the show can go on, and he can vent about other jumpsuit and sheer at Powell to his heart's content back in his own courtroom. Whether Ammidown controls, and there is in fact a "public interest" exception to 48 (a) available to federal judges is the whole ballgame regarding mandamus. Fokker isn't as ironclad as many think, I fear.

Posted by: occam's brassiere at May 22, 2020 07:14 PM (ja/kn)

375 The Federalist Society was founded in 1982, before Sullivan was appointed to the bench.
For Reagan to get his judicial appointments through, he had to build relationships with Southern Democrats to get them past the likes of Lowell Weicker and Mark Hatfield.

In terms of their programmatic preferences, the parties were more internally varied back then. You had about 50 Democrats in Congress open to co-operating with Reagan while you had about 30-odd Republicans who were chronic temporizers or liberals. The caucus of liberal Republicans received almost no new blood after 1982 and the last of them retired at the end of 2006. Collins and Murkowski are difficult for party whips. However, they do not have liberal voting records; they are temporizers.
None of the Bush family had liberal voting records. Their problem has always been that they're easy to push around on policy, in large measure because they went into politics for idiosyncratic personal reasons. George Bush the Elder had so many assets as a human being, manifest in family life, in his military service, at Yale, and in the oil business. The one odd thing about him is that he could be very other-directed and malleable in select circumstances. A couple of his aides are touting Dan Quayle, so he selects Dan Quayle, a man who functioned passably as a back-bench legislator but wasn't suitable for much else.

Posted by: Art Deco at May 22, 2020 07:16 PM (1BrBu)

376
If this tool has ten days to respond, he's going to take 9.9 days. They've dragged it out all

Naive question: Is that ten business days?

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at May 22, 2020 07:19 PM (4ZCO9)

377 292 Devil's advocate, and a warning against high expectations: Appellate court asked Sullivan to cite authority for his decision not to dismiss (yet). Very narrow question. In his order Sullivan cited Fokker ( which the appellate court mentioned too) and his "inherent authority". Arguably there's dicta in Fokker that stands for the proposition that "leave of court" is more than a formality. So there's that little bit for Sullivan. "Inherent authority" is straight bullshit, and offered only after conflating civil and criminal procedure. Very weak. So, the appellate court has asked Sullivan, essentially, "what else ya got?" Sullivan is going to cite US v Ammidown, which flat out says a judge can inquire into the whys and wherefores of a dismissal request by prosecution. Ammidown is old and Fokker probably overrules it, but it's arguable. Sullivan will point that out. The appellate court...even the 2 more conservative judges...could say "Good enough, then. OK. Carry on." Don't believe the hype, this one ain't a slam dunk.

Posted by: occam's brassiere at May 22, 2020 06:43 PM (ja/kn)

______________________________________________

The DC Circuit could find all sorts of ways of avoiding the right answer. No one is golding a gun to the judges' heads saying enforce the rule of law or else. So what? The only fact that remains is the actual order the DC Circuit issued and that order is glorious.

Most litigants get anywhere from 2 weeks to 30 days to respond to motions. Judge Sullivan is a freakin federal judge. He just got ordered to file an expedited response in 10 days to a petition for writ of mandamus.

If the DC Circuit thought there potentially is a good defense of Sullivan's actions, it invites amici to defend him. Or it gives him AT LEAST a sufficient amount of time to draft his own papers.

But nope. He got bent instead.

Posted by: Scalito at May 22, 2020 07:21 PM (hoPJy)

378 @364...that's the one. The result looks good, but the explanation preceding it allows for a judge to inquire into the particulars of a dismissal request by government based on the public's interest. Not good for Flynn. And rest assured, Ben Wittes' bevy of brunettes (he does have a type, poor gals...) are giving Ammidown the full lawfare rundown.

Posted by: occam's brassiere at May 22, 2020 07:22 PM (ja/kn)

379 I think that the appellate judges are pi$$ed at "Judge" Sullivan's run-out-the clock antics. By their language in the directive, they are giving Sullivan a way out of the dingle weeds he has put himself into. If Sullivan cannot get his act together then he will have big problems with his position and reputation. The appellate judges have thrown down the gauntlet to this clown judge. He is an embarrassment to them.
[and a disgwace to the wegiment!]

Posted by: Alaska Paul at May 22, 2020 07:25 PM (6TyMc)

380
245
I had an amicus on my mandamus once. Doc gave me some antibiotics and it cleared right up.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at May 22, 2020 06:34 PM (+0AKE)
That's better than having a mandamus on your amicus. Ouch!

Posted by: Weldon "Boof" Shithouse at May 22, 2020 07:29 PM (rQ/Vt)

381 I was looking at Gabe's Twitter I didn't realize he had gone full Never Trump.

Posted by: Dinobite at May 22, 2020 07:33 PM (3YeLm)

382 The Left can also send the wink-wink message to their base that this would basically be 4-8 more years of an Barack Obama Administration.
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at May 22, 2020 07:11 PM (Do5/p)

Willowed, but Lurleen Wallace and Ma Ferguson would get it.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at May 22, 2020 07:37 PM (jK8Z7)

383 Fluke season started today! I didn't get to go out, but my son just brought me a whole bunch of sea bass and ling. He caught no fluke though.

No complaints from me.
Posted by: IrishEi at May 22, 2020 06:12 PM (sGotD)

Our season doesn't open until 8/15 and closes on 9/30. Hope to be recovered enough to go by then! Hooray!......Fishing Thread.

Posted by: Agitator at May 22, 2020 07:38 PM (y/e6R)

384 Fox News Anchor Chris Wallace said despite President Donald Trump's warnings of fraud during mail-in voting, there has been "no history of fraud at all."

Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at May 22, 2020 07:38 PM (63iNO)

385 #200

The first time my father mentioned Harmony Church, I thought it was a church. Didn't get the context.

Several wars later, wandering around Quitman County, i concluded it had been used to test biological weapons and various forms of plant-mutating sprays. Going up a hill, I grabbed a tree I could just get my hand around and it came out of the ground with a rootball about the size of a grapefruit.
The M60 teams consisted of three guys; the gunner, the A gunner and the kid with the basket to catch the brass for sale.
When we got a new shipment of C rats, the lane grader would take some of his REAL toilet paper, wrap it around a tree and invite us to put the crap we didn't want there for the locals. The TP was the signal.
Coming back from an exercise, the bus turned left instead of right. Off we went to fight a brush fire, a la Starship Troopers. Saved the guy's house and passed the hat so he could get a new outhouse.
It might go back to the woods, but unless somebody's found a market for kudzu, it won't be farmed.

11B 71542 DOR 9 DEC 69

Posted by: Richard Aubrey at May 22, 2020 08:36 PM (fikzx)

386 According to the Innocence Project, 41 of 367 exonerees (11.1%)
pled guilty to crimes they did not commit. Should these 41 exonerees be
returned to jail for perjury too ?
Does Judge Sullivan want this as his legacy ?

Posted by: SMOD at May 22, 2020 10:10 PM (X5CsJ)

387 Every now and then one of these perfumed little princes in a black robe needs to be slapped up longside the head. It's a shame. 50 years ago when I started to practice law federal jusges were pretty much straight shooters and not overly impressed with themselves. I admiire them. These days with the "resistance" judges issuing nationwide injunctions from a single Federal district court--not so much.

Posted by: Comanche Voter at May 22, 2020 11:16 PM (NVDjf)

388 Wonder who is paying for that "high profile" lawyer...

Posted by: runner at May 23, 2020 06:08 PM (zr5Kq)

389 Or it could be a sign that the appellate court is preparing to rewrite the Constitution and the law once again Pretending that they're really considering the rights of The Great White Defendant while they've already decided to make it easier to railroad him in the future.

Posted by: bob at May 24, 2020 01:11 PM (cOQSC)

390 Let's not miss the bigger picture here: Sullivan is black, and he's making this decision on an identity politics basis. This is what happens in multi-racial empires. and in the third-world, into which America is rapidly tumbling. When the left told us we needed different voices and perspectives on the bench, this is what they meant, rulings against whitey no matter what the law says. If they thought these minority judges would follow the law and the Constitution it wouldn't matter who was on the bench. This is the future, mass migration sweeps all before it.

Posted by: bob at May 24, 2020 01:20 PM (cOQSC)

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