Risky Business [KT]

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Could you have guessed last year that
this year cutting hair would be risky business?

Have you noticed a few changes in recent days in the ways that people are assessing risk? Have you noticed more emphasis on risks generated by lockdowns just in the past, say, couple of days?

Maggie's Farm has been featuring a number of posts and links recently which are related to risks people face at this time and assessments of risk vs. safety more generally. Some of these include ideas from Mike Rowe. For a while now, since way before The Virus, Mike Rowe has been kicking around the idea of "Safety Third". A little more on that later. I think this video about putting safety first during the time of the Chinese Virus is fascinating:

We can be a safety first country, but only for very, very, very short periods of time. And then we're reminded that the chief goal of living is not merely to stay alive.

Following up on that video is one in which the original cheerleader for essential workers talks about the hidden dangers of labeling other workers as non-essential.

Those with a literary bent may be interested in the story told in Mike Rowe's podcast concerning the Staplehurst Train Disaster. It features a novelist you may recognize, plus some ideas about risk assessment and character.

ASK A FIRST RESPONDER IF SAFETY IS FIRST

Safety Third

A walk through the "Safety Third" concept:

On Dirty Jobs, I was struck by the number of safety professionals who repeatedly insisted that nothing was more important to them, than my personal safety. "Your safety," they said, over and over again, "is our top priority."

I usually heard these words moments before I was invited to walk up the cable of a suspension bridge, or field test a stainless-steel shark suit, or climb into a bosuns chair to wash windows at the top of a high-rise. I still hear them today from pilots who invite me to strap myself in as they attempt to defy gravity in a pressurized aluminum tube that travels through the air at 600mph. And now Roger, I'm hearing them from you. You're telling me safety must always be first, no matter the cost. . . .

I'm not trying to be provocative, or insensitive. As I wrote on my first day of quarantine, I have two parents in the at-risk category, and I'm terribly worried about their well-being. But assigning a cost to preserving human life is hardly a new calculus, or a sign of misanthropy. We humans are constantly deciding which calamity to worry about, which disaster to panic over, and which tragedy to outright ignore. Just yesterday, 24,000 people died of starvation. The same will happen tomorrow, and the day after tomorrow, and the day after that. Over nine million a year die of hunger related illnesses. Why is this not a global emergency? Why doesn't cable news report these tragic deaths every minute of every day, like they do with this virus?"

Anyway, to answer your question, Safety Third was my slightly subversive attempt to start an honest conversation around occupational safety back in 2009, and to acknowledge the unintended consequences of exaggerating the importance of safety on the job. For what it's worth, it worked. Attached is a short video that spells it out for you.
And here's one of a hundred articles written by various safety professionals who actually agrees with me. . . .

Be careful out there...

Does this quote fit into these concepts somewhere?

Try to exclude the possibility of suffering

which the order of nature
and the existence of free-wills involve,

and you find that you have excluded life itself.

C.S. Lewis

Sports

Mike Rowe notes that as official safety measures increase a sense of safety, people tend to take more risks. But still, individuals vary in how much risk they want to take:

Wow.

Probably wouldn't want to try this now. Not enough social distancing.

Do Democrats need to do a new risk assessment?

There are all kinds of risks. Is is safe for Democrats to let Joe Biden talk?

Was anybody surprised yesterday when Biden said If You're Black But Can't Decide Between Me and Trump, Then You're Not Black?

Well, ZUBY, a non-American black, had a good laugh about this on video.

Come collect your boy, Obama. Collect 'im. This guy's done.

He posted a helpful campaign slogan for the Democrats.

stayblack.jpg

After more sober reflection, he did a serious thread:

I'm seeing a lot of people trying to pass off Joe Biden's #YouAintBlack comment as merely a 'gaffe' or 'joke'...

But it wasn't.

It revealed a deeply rooted and pernicious form of racism that is extremely pervasive in left-wing politics. Let me explain...

Every black person is aware of the power and pain of being considered an 'outsider' within one's own 'race'.

This happens everywhere, but it is a common phenomenon particularly amongst Black Americans, due to history and culture. (2/14)

So, when Biden suggested that 'you ain't Black' if you consider voting for Trump instead of him, he exposed a much deeper form of racism.

The sense of 'ownership' of Black people. Unearned allegiance and entitlement.

It was a vile statement... (10/14)

But it was also honest. Because that's how a lot of these politicians and 'progressives' really feel about black people.

Like they own us. (11/14)

You might want to read the whole thing. In an earlier reaction, a guy some here may recognize wrote:

Literally an entire 15-years worth of protein wisdom columns are coming to life before our eyes.

To all those who read me for years, thanks. And you're welcome.

No, Biden is not the only one who thinks this way. Be careful out there.

Hope you have a great weekend with an appropriate amount of risk.
This is the Thread before the Gardening Thread.


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Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 23, 2020 11:19 AM (LvTSG)

2 Okay, off to check out Protein Wisdom.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 23, 2020 11:20 AM (WEBkv)

3 I've always found safety pins to be handy.

Posted by: BignJames at May 23, 2020 11:21 AM (X/Pw5)

4 Love this kind of a post on Saturday. Thank you KT for some content to chew over.

Posted by: Max Power at May 23, 2020 11:23 AM (QCc6B)

5 I need a hair cut but the places are still closed and I don't know any rogue stylists. Bah.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 23, 2020 11:24 AM (NWiLs)

6 The business owners who continue to ply their trades, and damn the torpedoes, really are heroes.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 23, 2020 11:27 AM (Dc2NZ)

7 ND did the 'rona panic unlike SD, but ND is relaxing rules at a decent rate. My sister said they are limiting 'gatherings' to no more than 250 people now. Lots of towns still canceling summer rodeos, but at least 250 allows a lot of participation driven events.

Dr Fauci saying being shut down 'too long' will cause problems DOH, you fussy old man and too long was about at May 1, and you gave the D governor's the excuse to punish their citizens for not embracing communism.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at May 23, 2020 11:28 AM (T9Hmo)

8 In many ways and in many instances, people CHOOSE what to be worried about. They'll jump out of your path at the entrance to the store if you don't have a mask on, and then get to their car and light one of the 25 or so cigarettes they smoke every day.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 23, 2020 11:28 AM (CqE5x)

9 8 In many ways and in many instances, people CHOOSE what to be worried about. They'll jump out of your path at the entrance to the store if you don't have a mask on, and then get to their car and light one of the 25 or so cigarettes they smoke every day.
Posted by: JoeF. at May 23, 2020 11:28 AM (CqE5x)

I don't worry about dying. But I do worry about dying without having really lived.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 23, 2020 11:30 AM (NWiLs)

10
Dr Fauci saying being shut down 'too long' will cause problems DOH, you fussy old man and too long was about at May 1, and you gave the D governor's the excuse to punish their citizens for not embracing communism.
Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at May 23, 2020 11:28 AM (T9Hmo)

I wonder who gave Fauci the memo? Or the dead fish on his doorstep?

Posted by: JoeF. at May 23, 2020 11:30 AM (CqE5x)

11 When folks talk about state tyrannies, I often see comparisons of states like Michigan, Florida, Texas, et al., but everyone seems to forget about Oklahoma.

So, I'd like to remind everyone that no state oppression has been harsher then here in Oklahoma. Being caught outside your home without a mask and the right papers risks prison. The only services deemed 'essential' are grocers and donut shops. All the guns are confiscated "to prevent 'problems' during the quarantine." Most of the population is now homeless, bodies are stacking up in the streets, crematoria are cooking overtime, and all criticism of the government or health experts is considered criminal speech. Avoid Oklahoma at all costs.

Unless you're a hard-core Moron/'Ette looking to flee from behind the Karen Curtain, in which case, just kidding. C'mon down.

Posted by: mindful webworker - Okie by birth and choice
at May 23, 2020 11:30 AM (bd376)

12 Insomniac:
I started cutting my own hair and my boy's. Eh, i don't have much anymore, so it wasn't terrible. And I saved $20!

Posted by: secret squirrel, author of 3 LTs of Joint Base Lear MacBeth available on Amazon at May 23, 2020 11:31 AM (xyImL)

13 willowed response to Sharon, willow's apprentice, lol :

I don't remember feeling so powerless to control my life.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice)

I do.


It was between 2008 and 2016. When the Obama Administration was killing America , bleeding out Freedom by means of a thousand totalitarian cuts.

"New normal", "Funemployment", "You didn't build that", "Typical white person", " Magic Wand" - not just evil but devilish, elitist, arrogant, in your face evil.


What I see is the Left and the forces of evil forcing a return to that time.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - Have you reported in to your assigned Contact Tracer today? at May 23, 2020 11:31 AM (2KNZv)

14 Fauci needs to be clubbed with a dead mackarel.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 23, 2020 11:31 AM (NWiLs)

15 Chapter one.

In order to manage risk, we must first understand risk.

How do you spot risk? How do you avoid risk and what makes it so risky?

To understand risk, we must first define risk.

Posted by: George Costanza, Risk Management Expert at May 23, 2020 11:32 AM (Do5/p)

16 12 Insomniac:
I started cutting my own hair and my boy's. Eh, i don't have much anymore, so it wasn't terrible. And I saved $20!
Posted by: secret squirrel, author of 3 LTs of Joint Base Lear MacBeth available on Amazon at May 23, 2020 11:31 AM (xyImL

I have the clippers to go full buzzcut but it doesn't really suit me.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 23, 2020 11:32 AM (NWiLs)

17 Biden just said what all white liberals have always assumed. You're not supposed to say it out load, though-- THAT was the problem.

Posted by: mnw at May 23, 2020 11:33 AM (Cssks)

18 I don't worry about dying. But I do worry about dying without having really lived.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 23, 2020 11:30 AM (NWiLs)


I get that, but if it's something like skydiving, bungy-jumping , riding a motorcycle at ungodly speeds, attempting Mt. Everest, or getting into a vodka-drinking contest with Russian soldiers, I'll pass on the "really" part of "having really lived."

Posted by: JoeF. at May 23, 2020 11:33 AM (CqE5x)

19

I love going to the grocery store and hearing the endless mantra of staying safe, staying 6 feet apart and following the CDC guidelines. I want to scream the CDC was wrong from the start so the CDC guidelines can go fck themselves

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 23, 2020 11:33 AM (Ty/7D)

20 Anyone have fun plans for this weekend? Here in the People's Republic of WA, our most noble Governor and High Potentate Jay Inslee has declared we are still under lockdown.
So, a bit like Mayo in "An OFficer and a Gentlemen," we got no place to go.
She mowed the lawn yesterday. Maybe i'll fiddle around with the rattlesnake skin i am tanning and see if i can't make a nice cover for my iphone.

Posted by: secret squirrel, author of 3 LTs of Joint Base Lear MacBeth available on Amazon at May 23, 2020 11:34 AM (xyImL)

21 Fauci needs to be clubbed with a dead mackarel.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 23, 2020 11:31 AM (NWiLs)


Everyone who has lost their job needs 5 minutes alone with Miguelito Fauci and the other "experts" at the CDC

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 23, 2020 11:34 AM (Ty/7D)

22 Protein Wisdom was an outstanding blog.

Second only to AoSHQ.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 23, 2020 11:35 AM (Qio/u)

23 My barber is back at work but until I'm able to see him I'm still wearing a hat.

Posted by: Northernlurker, still lurking after all these years at May 23, 2020 11:35 AM (Uu+Jp)

24 17 Biden just said what all white liberals have always assumed. You're not supposed to say it out load, though-- THAT was the problem.
Posted by: mnw at May 23, 2020 11:33 AM (Cssks)

Correct. It's been a core tenet of their faith since LBJ that they'd "keep the n*ggers voting Democrat for the next 200 years" but they keep that part quiet.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 23, 2020 11:35 AM (NWiLs)

25 Biden just said what all white liberals have always assumed. You're not supposed to say it out load, though-- THAT was the problem.
Posted by: mnw at May 23, 2020 11:33 AM (Cssks)

Biden tells the truth about what the Democrats say when they think no one is listening

To this day, I believe Biden's comment about Obama being "a clean, well-spoken Negro" was something someone else said at a strategy meeting.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 23, 2020 11:35 AM (CqE5x)

26 11 It spilled across the state line into west Arkansas. The guy with the pushcart, ringing the bell to bring out the dead is getting annoying.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at May 23, 2020 11:36 AM (C1Lsn)

27 I like how Snoozy Sessions insists he recused himself because he WAS REQUIRED TO BY LAW, and is now verbally fapping off to how honorable he is in response to Trump on Twatter.


Enjoy your retirement when your ass gets tossed out in the primary, fuckstick.

Posted by: Two Weeks From Turning 30 at May 23, 2020 11:36 AM (+dsLj)

28 I recall reading Protein Wisdom and Little Green Footballs years ago- that's when i stumbled upon AoS (actually i think Michelle Malkin had remarked about something she saw Ace post). Anyway, didn't both PW and LGF go full libtard?

Posted by: secret squirrel, author of 3 LTs of Joint Base Lear MacBeth available on Amazon at May 23, 2020 11:36 AM (xyImL)

29 Everyone who has lost their job needs 5 minutes alone with Miguelito Fauci and the other "experts" at the CDC
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 23, 2020 11:34 AM (Ty/7D)

Somehow I don't think everyone would get their turn...unless corpse desecration would be satisfactory to those toward the middle of the line.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 23, 2020 11:36 AM (NWiLs)

30 I need a hair cut but the places are still closed and I don't know any rogue stylists. Bah.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 23, 2020 11:24 AM (NWiLs)

Just find a barber shop with the shades drawn, and give the secret knock. "Shave and a haircut" should work.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 23, 2020 11:37 AM (HXZjw)

31 Somehow I don't think everyone would get their turn...unless corpse desecration would be satisfactory to those toward the middle of the line.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 23, 2020 11:36 AM (NWiLs)

Then we'll move on to the Cadaver Synod option......

Posted by: JoeF. at May 23, 2020 11:37 AM (CqE5x)

32 Louisville Slugger > Dead Mackerel

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at May 23, 2020 11:38 AM (aDI6+)

33 If none of the stupid things I've done in my life have gotten me killed yet a stupid bat virus isn't going to get it done either.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 23, 2020 11:38 AM (ZLI7S)

34 America used to have the greatest, most free economy in the world, and we suffered 2.3 million deaths by all causes per year while maintaining that economy.

But OrangeManBad so we had to destroy that economy and throw 30 million people out of work that economy over 90K deaths.

The math seems a bit suspect.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 23, 2020 11:38 AM (Qio/u)

35 I need a hair cut but the places are still closed and I don't know any rogue stylists. Bah.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 23, 2020 11:24 AM (NWiLs)

Just find a barber shop with the shades drawn, and give the secret knock. "Shave and a haircut" should work.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 23, 2020 11:37 AM (HXZjw)

Find out where the local cops get their hair cut

Posted by: JoeF. at May 23, 2020 11:38 AM (CqE5x)

36 Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo

You have lived a great life. You have your children, memories, and the healing touch of Saint Nurse Ratched. And that shot at the deer missed you.

Life is more than orgasms, threesome tantric sex, and going out the door of a helicopter.Ask me how I know.

The Tale of Insomniac would be a great title
possibly a chapter in the book Horde Times - True Stories from the Barrel
Posted by: vmom Still Alive in These Tyrannical Times

You are a legend.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 23, 2020 11:39 AM (u82oZ)

37 I WANT A HAIRCUT

Posted by: vmom Still Alive in These Tyrannical Times at May 23, 2020 11:39 AM (G546f)

38 32 Louisville Slugger > Dead Mackerel
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at May 23, 2020 11:38 AM (aDI6+)

I'm trying to give as many people a turn as possible.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 23, 2020 11:39 AM (NWiLs)

39 Protein Wisdom was an outstanding blog.

Second only to AoSHQ.
Posted by: Sharkman at May 23, 2020 11:35 AM (Qio/u)
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Yeah, and Jeff G. was on to Patterico long before it became fashionable.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 23, 2020 11:40 AM (WEBkv)

40 In a world that appears to have gone crazy, I can always find some sanity in Ace and in the comments.

Posted by: Charles Martel at May 23, 2020 11:40 AM (m/ROF)

41 If none of the stupid things I've done in my life have gotten me killed yet a stupid bat virus isn't going to get it done either.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 23, 2020 11:38 AM (ZLI7S)

Young people can get away with being stupid because dying is probably the last thing on their mind.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 23, 2020 11:40 AM (CqE5x)

42 19 Quiet Man

The endless loop about "We're all in this together!" that they play causes me to consider going Postal.

Plus I had a Karen tell me "wrong way!" as I was walking in one of the aisles contra the stupid 'feet decals' on the floor. I was too shy to tell her to F Off, & I now regret that.

Posted by: mnw at May 23, 2020 11:40 AM (Cssks)

43 JackStraw

You should get with Sabo, and write those words in large letters in California.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 23, 2020 11:41 AM (u82oZ)

44 I WANT A HAIRCUT
Posted by: vmom Still Alive in These Tyrannical Times at May 23, 2020 11:39 AM (G546f)
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Psst: Main and 1st, Noon, don't be late. I know a guy who knows a gal....

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 23, 2020 11:41 AM (WEBkv)

45 Id have to agree to disagree about the biden remark. It wasn't racist per se. I believe he made it as a casual joke,perhaps way toned down from what he thought, but the dimented old fuck can't deliver a joke.

Posted by: Menack at May 23, 2020 11:41 AM (buTO7)

46 Dr Fauci saying being shut down 'too long' will cause problems DOH, you fussy old man and too long was about at May 1, and you gave the D governor's the excuse to punish their citizens for not embracing communism.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at May 23, 2020 11:28 AM

I think President Trump's original target of opening by the week of Easter Sunday was the right target to minimize the damage.

Based on Michigan's 03/16/20 start date for Whitmer's original order, that would have been 4 weeks. Not good, but not too bad either.

Then President Trump himself came out before then and recommended a 30-day freaking extension until the end of April, after he originally said #TwoWeeks. The end of the two weeks would have opened things up after Easter, if I remember correctly.

So yeah, this has been a complete cluster, from both the federal and state task forces.

Also, Fauci stated on February 17th that the risk for coronavirus infection in the USA was "minuscule". Yet, weeks later, he does a complete 180 and advises the shutdown of the country until the curve is flattened. Then, weeks later, when the curve is flattened, he shifts his recommendation to "until a vaccine is developed."

What a cluster...

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at May 23, 2020 11:41 AM (Do5/p)

47 mnw

If you are the Boss of Me, I demand Sex as Tribute.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 23, 2020 11:42 AM (u82oZ)

48 Nobody talks about the risks posed by masking your face.

Absorbing the droplets seems like a good idea - until you watch someone constantly fiddle with the thing and not wash their hands after.

Surgeons wear face covering to prevent expelling their biologicals into the patient's open wounds. And they chnge out their masks and PPE between every single patient.


The Karen walking around constantly readjusting their snot-buckets with their filthy fingers are part of the problem , not the solution.


Masks have gone beyond political to Virtue Signal and are now Holy Sacred Totems of the Lockdown Tribe.



Posted by: deplorable unperson - Have you reported in to your assigned Contact Tracer today? at May 23, 2020 11:42 AM (2KNZv)

49 This Wednesday is the 51st anniversary of the first time I had to stand on some painted footprints. Won't do it again.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at May 23, 2020 11:42 AM (C1Lsn)

50 Young people can get away with being stupid because dying is probably the last thing on their mind.
Posted by: JoeF. at May 23, 2020 11:40 AM (CqE5x)
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My theory has long been that when one is young, one can get away with doing stupid stuff, because one isn't old enough to know better. However, the older one gets, the less one can get away with stupid stuff, because, at some point, one is supposed to know better.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 23, 2020 11:42 AM (WEBkv)

51 40 In a world that appears to have gone crazy, I can always find some sanity in Ace and in the comments.
Posted by: Charles Martel at May 23, 2020 11:40 AM (m/ROF)

Desperate times indeed.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 23, 2020 11:42 AM (NWiLs)

52 Great thread. Thanks KT.

For those job hunting, apparently FedEx and UPS are hiring.

Posted by: Mrs. JTB at May 23, 2020 11:43 AM (7EjX1)

53 Speaking of risk...
How come I can go for 6 months in the kitchen and never have a problem and then in 48 hours cut myself once and burn myself twice?
Sheesh.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 23, 2020 11:43 AM (axyOa)

54 Willowed but needs to be said:352
The Revolutionary War was fought over less.





Tell them to politely fuck off.



Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 23, 2020 11:33 AM (aA3+G)

This is why I comment here. Love you guys.


Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 23, 2020 11:36 AM (QzF6i)

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 23, 2020 11:43 AM (QzF6i)

55 Awesome thread OB!

* tips banana *

Posted by: Sock Monkey..Made in the USA at May 23, 2020 11:43 AM (bhZHn)

56 Posted by: vmom Still Alive in These Tyrannical Times

You are a legend.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 23, 2020 11:39 AM (u82oZ)

Yep, vmom's a pretty cool!

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 23, 2020 11:44 AM (NWiLs)

57 How come I can go for 6 months in the kitchen and never have a problem and then in 48 hours cut myself once and burn myself twice?
Sheesh.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 23, 2020 11:43 AM (axyOa)

Law of 3's?

Posted by: BignJames at May 23, 2020 11:44 AM (X/Pw5)

58 Plus I had a Karen tell me "wrong way!" as I was walking in one of the aisles contra the stupid 'feet decals' on the floor. I was too shy to tell her to F Off, & I now regret that.

Posted by: mnw

Had a karen mention the 6ft rule yesterday. Gotta follow the rules. I simply said, no you don't and proceeded on my way. I'm sure her eyes were shooting arrows in my back.

Posted by: Infidel at May 23, 2020 11:44 AM (sNpqr)

59 Strike the "a." Stupid fingers.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 23, 2020 11:44 AM (NWiLs)

60 I'm getting a haircut in an hour! It's like Christmas in May!

Posted by: grammie winger at May 23, 2020 11:45 AM (lwiT4)

61 Plus I had a Karen tell me "wrong way!" as I was
walking in one of the aisles contra the stupid 'feet decals' on the
floor. I was too shy to tell her to F Off, I now regret that.





Posted by: mnw at May 23, 2020 11:40 AM (Cssks)


I had the same Karen experience 2 weeks ago. I was going to tell her to fck off but just turned to her and said, Okay Karen.I'm at a loss as to how you can get Flu Manchu by walking past someone in an aisle. Does it leap from body to body if you get within the magic 6 feet of someone else?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 23, 2020 11:45 AM (Ty/7D)

62 60 I'm getting a haircut in an hour! It's like Christmas in May!
Posted by: grammie winger at May 23, 2020 11:45 AM (lwiT4)

Huzzah!

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 23, 2020 11:45 AM (NWiLs)

63
Id have to agree to disagree about the biden remark. It wasn't racist per se.

I think "you're not black" when viewed side by side with "clean and articulate" is pretty suspect.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - Have you reported in to your assigned Contact Tracer today? at May 23, 2020 11:45 AM (2KNZv)

64 Also, Fauci stated on February 17th that the risk for coronavirus infection in the USA was "minuscule". Yet, weeks later, he does a complete 180 and advises the shutdown of the country until the curve is flattened. Then, weeks later, when the curve is flattened, he shifts his recommendation to "until a vaccine is developed."

What a cluster...
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at May 23, 2020 11:41 AM (Do5/p)

There's no doubt in my mind that Fauci went Draconian later on to atone for his earlier "minuscule risk" comment. And now he's dialing it back because he knows how overboard we went. In other words, he's ALWAYS trying to be ahead of the curve on being right.

I give Trump a pass because he's not a scientist and he simply could not assume the models were incorrect.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 23, 2020 11:46 AM (CqE5x)

65 we had someone get in a brawl at a store here over the whole mask wearing thing- someone wasn't wearing one, and some asshole had to make a fuss over it. What was that article someone wrote- "Who Goes Nazi First?" Can't recall who wrote it, but yeah, the SchutzKarens are among us.

Posted by: secret squirrel, author of 3 LTs of Joint Base Lear MacBeth available on Amazon at May 23, 2020 11:46 AM (xyImL)

66 I think President Trump's original target of opening by the week of Easter Sunday was the right target to minimize the damage.




Yes.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 23, 2020 11:46 AM (lwiT4)

67 So there's Jeff, talking about seeing his Protein Wisdom "columns" play out in public, and then below that, Iowahawk talking about how tweets don't change people's minds.

Great. Where are you guys now?

Oh, on twitter. I see.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 23, 2020 11:47 AM (hku12)

68 The YT series of Milton Friedman vids (from back in the 70s) addresses the risk/cost aspect of a free society and government's role, vs free market.

He uses several examples, such as building a car that is 100% safe as opposed to 'safe enough' and let the market decide.

All very applicable to our present circumstances.

Posted by: goatexchange at May 23, 2020 11:47 AM (iUjXP)

69 8 In many ways and in many instances, people CHOOSE what to be worried about. They'll jump out of your path at the entrance to the store if you don't have a mask on, and then get to their car and light one of the 25 or so cigarettes they smoke every day.
Posted by: JoeF. at May 23, 2020 11:28 AM (CqE5x)

You have just described my TDS-afflicted sister.

Posted by: Gem at May 23, 2020 11:47 AM (kIHih)

70 If and when I find a lousy can of Lysol spray I'm going to take it home and name it Brad. Got a road trip coming up when things settle down a little more and that stuff is a must have on trips.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at May 23, 2020 11:47 AM (C1Lsn)

71 My theory has long been that when one is young, one can get away with doing stupid stuff, because one isn't old enough to know better. However, the older one gets, the less one can get away with stupid stuff, because, at some point, one is supposed to know better.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 23, 2020 11:42 AM (WEBkv)

Exactly.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 23, 2020 11:47 AM (CqE5x)

72 What a thread, I love this one. ..safely, of course. I love it safely.

Posted by: t-bird at May 23, 2020 11:47 AM (pbStR)

73 66 I think President Trump's original target of opening by the week of Easter Sunday was the right target to minimize the damage.




Yes.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 23, 2020 11:46 AM (lwiT4)

+2

Posted by: Gem at May 23, 2020 11:48 AM (kIHih)

74 Does it leap from body to body if you get within the magic 6 feet of someone else?



Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 23, 2020 11:45 AM (Ty/7D)



Where did the 6-feet thing come from? Why not 5, or 7? Is there science behind 6?

Posted by: grammie winger at May 23, 2020 11:48 AM (lwiT4)

75 Protein Wisdom was an outstanding blog.

Second only to AoSHQ.
Posted by: Sharkman


Yeah, but Jeff was always pretty anti-Trump. There was a big fracture with some of his regulars.
I think largely because of that, the blog went into hiatus, and Jeff has never come back.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....outlaw in America at May 23, 2020 11:48 AM (ZCiJZ)

76 There's no doubt in my mind that Fauci went
Draconian later on to atone for his earlier "minuscule risk" comment.
And now he's dialing it back because he knows how overboard we went. In
other words, he's ALWAYS trying to be ahead of the curve on being
right.



I give Trump a pass because he's not a scientist and he simply could not assume the models were incorrect.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 23, 2020 11:46 AM (CqE5x)


So Fauci always ends up being wrong and millions of people are out of work

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 23, 2020 11:48 AM (Ty/7D)

77 71 My theory has long been that when one is young, one can get away with doing stupid stuff, because one isn't old enough to know better. However, the older one gets, the less one can get away with stupid stuff, because, at some point, one is supposed to know better.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 23, 2020 11:42 AM (WEBkv)

Exactly.
Posted by: JoeF. at May 23, 2020 11:47 AM (CqE5x)

Makes sense. Then again, if you don't spend some time testing your own limits, you won't find out who you really are or who you want to be.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 23, 2020 11:48 AM (NWiLs)

78 >>Plus I had a Karen tell me "wrong way!" as I was
walking in one of the aisles contra the stupid 'feet decals' on the
floor. I was too shy to tell her to F Off, I now regret that.


I came upon an older couple while walking Elvis on a narrow trail in the woods last week. The woman was wearing a mask, the man was not.

They were panicked because they were walking slow and we were trying to get past them. The guy backed into the woods and gasped "He's not wearing a mask!".

I just said, neither are you and laughed.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 23, 2020 11:49 AM (ZLI7S)

79 America used to have the greatest, most free economy in the world, and we suffered 2.3 million deaths by all causes per year while maintaining that economy.

But OrangeManBad so we had to destroy that economy and throw 30 million people out of work that economy over 90K deaths.

The math seems a bit suspect.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 23, 2020 11:38 AM (Qio/u)
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All because that fat slob Crooked Hillary! lost a rigged election.

The rot in the USA is far deeper than I ever suspected. In fact, I'd bet it's far deeper than President Trump and his family ever suspected on the day he rode that escalator to his (and our) destiny.

God Bless President Trump!


Posted by: Boots at May 23, 2020 11:50 AM (oGBso)

80 Where did the 6-feet thing come from? Why not 5, or 7? Is there science behind 6?

Posted by: grammie winger at May 23, 2020 11:48 AM (lwiT4)

(snickers)

Posted by: BignJames at May 23, 2020 11:50 AM (X/Pw5)

81 RE: haircuts

I had no problem at all getting one. My investment portfolio.

Posted by: mnw at May 23, 2020 11:50 AM (Cssks)

82 I believe Louisville Slugger closed their doors

Posted by: kyproud at May 23, 2020 11:50 AM (HMHlJ)

83 Mindful,

You don't fool me. My cousin up by Tulsa seems to have better choices for food pickup than me.

I don't much care what Inslee says. I'll go out for a picnic tomorrow. That's not a lot of rebellion but the best I can do.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at May 23, 2020 11:50 AM (Lqy/e)

84 Had a karen mention the 6ft rule yesterday. Gotta follow the rules. I simply said, no you don't and proceeded on my way. I'm sure her eyes were shooting arrows in my back.
Posted by: Infidel


We went out to dinner last night at a local casual eatery. There were a lot of people there by the time we left.

No Karens were in sight.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....outlaw in America at May 23, 2020 11:50 AM (ZCiJZ)

85 Makes sense. Then again, if you don't spend some time testing your own limits, you won't find out who you really are or who you want to be.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 23, 2020 11:48 AM (NWiLs)
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There's a difference between testing limits and seeing if one can launch a bottle rocket from his butt.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 23, 2020 11:51 AM (WEBkv)

86 She mowed the lawn yesterday. Maybe i'll fiddle around with the rattlesnake skin i am tanning and see if i can't make a nice cover for my iphone.

Posted by: secret squirrel, author of 3 LTs of Joint Base Lear MacBeth available on Amazon


Just bought your book, Secret Squirrel.

Where are you in Washington state?

I just came up from LA to see my Kids and my 13 year old and I are staying in the Holiday Inn Express in Canyon Park, Bothell (on 15th). It has the only open swimming pool for a thousand miles, so if you're looking for something to do this weekend, grab the kids and come on over and check in for a swim.

Just a thought.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 23, 2020 11:51 AM (Qio/u)

87 Was anybody surprised yesterday when Biden said If You're Black But Can't Decide Between Me and Trump, Then You're Not Black?

Posted by: Open Blogger at 11:15 AM

How is what Biden said any different than what Democrats have always said? Even prominent Blacks in the Black community.

Hell, if a Black person is conservative, he or she is said to be "acting White" or "not a real Black person".

What Biden said is no different than that attitude that is prevalent on the Left, within the Democrat Party and within the Black community as a whole.

Go back through the years and check what people have stated about any popular Black conservative pundit or politician or athlete, etc. Nothing different than the attitude expressed in Biden's statement.

Which is why I don't see this issue lasting for him much longer than a week or so.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at May 23, 2020 11:51 AM (Do5/p)

88 Risk exists on a spectrum between self-inflicted and purely external (outside our own agency) with gradations in between.

There is a difference between jumping off a second story deck with a towel wrapped around your neck hoping you can fly and standing on a poorly built deck which collapses.

Perhaps a tougher question is how to allocate the cost burden of the resulting injuries. Do I pay your ICU bill if you chose a foreseeably risky action?

Posted by: Muldoon at May 23, 2020 11:51 AM (Fc5rx)

89 I don't much care what Inslee says. I'll go out for a picnic tomorrow. That's not a lot of rebellion but the best I can do.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at May 23, 2020 11:50 AM (Lqy/e)

Notsothoreau: you in the People's Republic of WA? Whereabouts?

Posted by: secret squirrel, author of 3 LTs of Joint Base Lear MacBeth available on Amazon at May 23, 2020 11:51 AM (xyImL)

90 I would like to get back to work, at least on an occasional basis, but nobody is drilling any wells around here, and they won't be until crude oil prices go up, and stay up for a good long time. It wasn't the WuFlu that caused this, and the end of WuFlu won't fix it.

I would consider doing something basically mindless, like driving for UPS or Fedex, but I doubt they want rural part-timers.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 23, 2020 11:51 AM (HXZjw)

91 There's a difference between testing limits and seeing if one can launch a bottle rocket from his butt.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 23, 2020 11:51 AM (WEBkv)

I certainly wasn't suggesting going full Steve-O...but I think you knew that.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 23, 2020 11:52 AM (NWiLs)

92 Posted by: Clyde Shelton at May 23, 2020 11:41 AM (Do5/p)

There's no doubt in my mind that Fauci went Draconian later on to atone for his earlier "minuscule risk" comment. And now he's dialing it back because he knows how overboard we went. In other words, he's ALWAYS trying to be ahead of the curve on being right.

I give Trump a pass because he's not a scientist and he simply could not assume the models were incorrect.
Posted by: JoeF. at May 23, 2020 11:46 AM (CqE5x)


I think perhaps an easier explanation for Fauci's flipping is that he gets his talking points from somewhere else.

I still go back to the one time he showed some emotion, when a reporter asked him if Trump was telling him what to say. Fauci vehemently denied Trump dictates to him what he says, and then for added emphasis, with heat, he said NOBODY tells him what to say.

Eh, that's what we call in the business, a reveal.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 23, 2020 11:52 AM (hku12)

93 Joe B is the last of the mid 20th century machine Democrats. They bought the African American vote a long time ago, and expect it to stay bought. Been a bit of commentary lately about China's "capture" of western elites. Dianne Feinstein is a great example. I wonder if the real historical legacy of the 60s civil right movement won't be the "capture" of African American elites by the Democratic party.

Posted by: occam's brassiere at May 23, 2020 11:52 AM (ja/kn)

94 I think I read somewhere that the 6 ft came from some high schooler's paper. No kidding. The first instruction was 3 ft and then suddenly became 6 feet. It makes absolutely no sense but it is keeping people isolated in ways that is particularly harmful. Grandparents who can;t hold a new baby and kids that can't play together and people like me, who live alone who can;t get a hug from a friend or even see the clerk at the store smile.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 23, 2020 11:53 AM (QzF6i)

95 I certainly wasn't suggesting going full Steve-O...but I think you knew that.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 23, 2020 11:52 AM (NWiLs)
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You've not been around to entertain lately so, just trying to make up for lost time.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 23, 2020 11:53 AM (WEBkv)

96 My neck is killing me. Any strong-fingered 'ettes wanna come over here and massage it for me?

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 23, 2020 11:53 AM (NWiLs)

97 The Trump team has launched a new website.

@parscale

Just to cap off what was, I'm sure, just an awesome day for
@JoeBiden
, we've unveiled our newest website.

http://youaintblack.com

It's a reminder that Biden thinks he owns the Black vote and that he can dictate what Black people do.

#YouAintBlack

Posted by: JackStraw at May 23, 2020 11:53 AM (ZLI7S)

98 86- Sharkman-

Thank you for buying my book!!
Appreciate the offer! I'm in the Tri Cities; where they used to make plutonium at the Hanford Site for all those great nukes we hopefully still have pointed at China and Russia.
Must be nice to have gotten outta CA for a while. I thought Inslee was a tard- Newsome is worse in many ways, but better hair.

Posted by: secret squirrel, author of 3 LTs of Joint Base Lear MacBeth available on Amazon at May 23, 2020 11:54 AM (xyImL)

99 You've not been around to entertain lately so, just trying to make up for lost time.


Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 23, 2020 11:53 AM (WEBkv)

Heh. Fair enough. I've been busy AF with the new job. Hard to believe it's been six weeks already. It's been going at warp speed.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 23, 2020 11:54 AM (NWiLs)

100 TheQuietMan - I'm sorry if I already told you this story. I lose track. Last week we were at a waterfront bar on Lake Geneva. Rev strikes up a conversation with a guy that has a house on the lake, about 6 or 8 down from Pritzger. Guy lives in downtown Chicago. Said he'd been in Lake Geneva since the lockdown, and he's not returning to Chicago ever. Then he made some descriptively obscene remarks about Pritzger.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 23, 2020 11:54 AM (lwiT4)

101 75

Yeah, but Jeff was always pretty anti-Trump. There was a big fracture with some of his regulars. I think largely because of that, the blog went into hiatus, and Jeff has never come back.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....outlaw in America at May 23, 2020 11:48 AM

The same thing happened here sometime during 2016. Though ace thankfully chose to be pro-Trump (or at least not "NeverTrump") and the blog has remained strong. Even though a lot of regulars left the comment section after that decision.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at May 23, 2020 11:54 AM (Do5/p)

102 Anyway, didn't both PW and LGF go full libtard?

Posted by: secret squirrel, author of 3 LTs of Joint Base Lear MacBeth available on Amazon


LGF went off the rails but Jeff G. at PW stayed true.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 23, 2020 11:54 AM (Qio/u)

103 What a fitting thread for me
After lunch going to see if I can't electrocute myself

Posted by: Skip at May 23, 2020 11:54 AM (ZCEU2)

104 I think I read somewhere that the 6 ft came from
some high schooler's paper. No kidding. The first instruction was 3 ft
and then suddenly became 6 feet. It makes absolutely no sense but it is
keeping people isolated in ways that is particularly harmful.
Grandparents who can;t hold a new baby and kids that can't play together
and people like me, who live alone who can;t get a hug from a friend or
even see the clerk at the store smile.


Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 23, 2020 11:53 AM (QzF6i)



It's stupid and cruel at the same time.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 23, 2020 11:55 AM (lwiT4)

105 103 What a fitting thread for me
After lunch going to see if I can't electrocute myself
Posted by: Skip at May 23, 2020 11:54 AM (ZCEU2)

Dude... I don't recommend it. I've gotten shocked twice on house current. I was insulated enough both times that it didn't cause damage, but I developed a much healthier respect for electricity after.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 23, 2020 11:56 AM (NWiLs)

106 Heh. Fair enough. I've been busy AF with the new job. Hard to believe it's been six weeks already. It's been going at warp speed.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 23, 2020 11:54 AM (NWiLs)
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Well, I suppose a job is a good reason for limiting AoS posting.

Seriously, though, hard to believe 6 weeks have gone by already.

Gad, the time does fly by.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 23, 2020 11:56 AM (WEBkv)

107 I met the yellow painted footprints 36 years ago yesterday.

Posted by: eastofsuez at May 23, 2020 11:56 AM (U2zca)

108 It's stupid and cruel at the same time.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 23, 2020 11:55 AM (lwiT4)

Like blue state governors.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 23, 2020 11:56 AM (NWiLs)

109 Seriously, though, hard to believe 6 weeks have gone by already.

Gad, the time does fly by.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 23, 2020 11:56 AM (WEBkv)

Yeah, it's totally insane.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 23, 2020 11:57 AM (NWiLs)

110 Hola ! Como estas ?

Posted by: runner at May 23, 2020 11:57 AM (zr5Kq)

111 the Mike Rowe vid is great

Posted by: vmom Still Alive in These Tyrannical Times at May 23, 2020 11:58 AM (G546f)

112

Fauci says we should never shake hands again but it's OK to have sex with strangers you meet on the internet.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 23, 2020 11:59 AM (aKsyK)

113 Seriously, though, hard to believe 6 weeks have gone by already.



Wow. 6 weeks already? I remember the day we first sent you off with your Buster Brown lunchbox. *sniffles*

Posted by: grammie winger at May 23, 2020 11:59 AM (lwiT4)

114 Joe B is the last of the mid 20th century machine Democrats. They bought the African American vote a long time ago, and expect it to stay bought. Been a bit of commentary lately about China's "capture" of western elites. Dianne Feinstein is a great example. I wonder if the real historical legacy of the 60s civil right movement won't be the "capture" of African American elites by the Democratic party.
Posted by: occam's brassiere


LBJ's "Great Society" (which was a phrase cribbed from FDR's New Deal era), thought they did indeed have the Black vote purchased.
How dare those uppity blacks start thinking for themselves!

Yeah, Biden is the last politician of the Great Society era (he was actually elected after LBJ) still around.
That sonuvabitch Johnson and his damn war.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....outlaw in America at May 23, 2020 11:59 AM (ZCiJZ)

115 TheQuietMan - I'm sorry if I already told you this story. I lose track. Last week we were at a waterfront bar on Lake Geneva. Rev strikes up a conversation with a guy that has a house on the lake, about 6 or 8 down from Pritzger. Guy lives in downtown Chicago. Said he'd been in Lake Geneva since the lockdown, and he's not returning to Chicago ever. Then he made some descriptively obscene remarks about Pritzger.


Posted by: grammie winger at May 23, 2020 11:54 AM (lwiT4)
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For the sake of Wisconsin, I sure hope that guy maintains his voting residence in Chi-town. The last thing you need up there is another blue state dem voting your state blue.

Posted by: Boots at May 23, 2020 12:00 PM (oGBso)

116 Risk exists on a spectrum between self-inflicted and purely external (outside our own agency) with gradations in between.

There is a difference between jumping off a second story deck with a towel wrapped around your neck hoping you can fly and standing on a poorly built deck which collapses.

Perhaps a tougher question is how to allocate the cost burden of the resulting injuries. Do I pay your ICU bill if you chose a foreseeably risky action?
Posted by: Muldoon at May 23, 2020 11:51 AM (Fc5rx)


I think what is under-explored here (not sure, I didn't follow any of the links, just read the post here), are the twin human needs: self-determination and self-efficacy.

These two things feed each other, and even when we're not conscious of them, they're always at work inside us.

And what we further know, from all the individual and societal evidence, is when people have reductions in both, systems break down. Communities disintegrate into crime and chaos, and individual's minds and bodies deteriorate into diseased rot.

And so I'm wondering, the focus over the last few days on some of these "ancillary" effects of closing down, is that coming from a genuine noticing of these things, or did somebody signal it was time to change the narrative?

I wish I wasn't so cynical, but this world is becoming less mysterious to me every day, and I think most people shy away from the truth because it's so much worse than we imagined.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 23, 2020 12:00 PM (hku12)

117 Insomniac problem is while electric can travel 25 miles through the sky it wont travel 50 feet by itself through the house.

I will kill power to the whole house first so might not be to dangerous.

Posted by: Skip at May 23, 2020 12:00 PM (ZCEU2)

118 The last thing you need up there is another blue state dem voting your state blue.



Posted by: Boots at May 23, 2020 12:00 PM (oGBso)


Exactly.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 23, 2020 12:00 PM (lwiT4)

119 107 The simplest training device ever invented. "All movements begin at the position of attention". And you still remember that.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at May 23, 2020 12:01 PM (C1Lsn)

120 Must be nice to have gotten outta CA for a while. I thought Inslee was a tard- Newsome is worse in many ways, but better hair.

Posted by: secret squirrel



California is insane.

They have a 55 BILLION dollar budget shortfall this year. Which is why they are staying locked down. The only way they survive financially is to have Nancy Pelosi's 3 trillion dollar bailout pass.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 23, 2020 12:01 PM (Qio/u)

121 Where did the 6-feet thing come from? Why not 5, or 7? Is there science behind 6?

Same place that women need to get screening mammograms every year; not every 10 months or 18 months. Once a year.

Experts. Top Men.

Or Monkeys with a dart board.

Posted by: Charles Martel at May 23, 2020 12:01 PM (m/ROF)

122 I will kill power to the whole house first so might not be to dangerous.
Posted by: Skip at May 23, 2020 12:00 PM (ZCEU2)
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Okay, don't forget to use your tongue to test and make sure the power is turned off.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 23, 2020 12:02 PM (WEBkv)

123 96
My neck is killing me. Any strong-fingered 'ettes wanna come over here and massage it for me?

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 23, 2020 11:53 AM (NWiLs)
I had heard that therapeutic massage was considered an essential service so started checking to see who was open. Talked to one place that could give me an appointment in two weeks if phase 2 opens on time and then found a place that I think is open now. Right now it seems like the only way to get hands on my body.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 23, 2020 12:02 PM (QzF6i)

124 40 In a world that appears to have gone crazy, I can always find some sanity in Ace and in the comments.

Posted by: Charles Martel at May 23, 2020 11:40 AM (m/ROF)


BEWBS!!!

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at May 23, 2020 12:02 PM (MVR7y)

125 I don't think Poppa Johns should be allowed to text people shit. Whos with me!

Posted by: Menack at May 23, 2020 12:02 PM (buTO7)

126 >>Perhaps a tougher question is how to allocate the cost burden of the resulting injuries. Do I pay your ICU bill if you chose a foreseeably risky action?

That question gets debated a lot around here when it comes to water rescues. There's a thin line between taking a calculated risk and pure insanity. If someone isn't smart enough to know where that line is should someone else have to risk their life to save them?

Posted by: JackStraw at May 23, 2020 12:03 PM (ZLI7S)

127 Jeff G. may be anti-Trump but he never went the route of "The Conservative Case for [insert Lunatic Left policy proposal here]."

I think he also got busy just raising his two boys.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 23, 2020 12:03 PM (Qio/u)

128 I'm sorry if I already told you this story. I lose
track. Last week we were at a waterfront bar on Lake Geneva. Rev strikes
up a conversation with a guy that has a house on the lake, about 6 or 8
down from Pritzger. Guy lives in downtown Chicago. Said he'd been in
Lake Geneva since the lockdown, and he's not returning to Chicago ever.
Then he made some descriptively obscene remarks about Pritzger.


Posted by: grammie winger at May 23, 2020 11:54 AM (lwiT4)


I moved out of Chicago a few years ago to the western burbs. Glad I did because Dykefoot is never going to reopen the city. She's far worse than Jabba. But the whole state is toast. What these arrogant cretins can't understand is they are destroying what is left of the productive people in the state. The exodus of the taxpayers is only going to increase because of this

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 23, 2020 12:04 PM (Ty/7D)

129 LGF went off the rails but Jeff G. at PW stayed true.
Posted by: Sharkman at May 23, 2020 11:54 AM (Qio/u)


Jeff nevertrumped, big time.

They say he's scaled that back, or repudiated it. I don't know, because unless I'm mistaken, he only ever shows up on twatter these days.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 23, 2020 12:04 PM (hku12)

130 Was anybody surprised yesterday when Biden said If You're Black But Can't Decide Between Me and Trump, Then You're Not Black?

Posted by: Open Blogger at 11:15 AM

How is what Biden said any different than what Democrats have always said? Even prominent Blacks in the Black community.


==

1) He is not black
2) He is (presumptive) nominee for POTUS from Dem party - resonates

Posted by: runner at May 23, 2020 12:04 PM (zr5Kq)

131 Now the large tree branch 3 weeks ago was a bit too dangerous but I survived.

Posted by: Skip at May 23, 2020 12:05 PM (ZCEU2)

132 The exodus of the taxpayers is only going to increase because of this


Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 23, 2020 12:04 PM (Ty/7D)



Two houses near me sold this past week. Both new owners are from Illinois.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 23, 2020 12:05 PM (lwiT4)

133 The Tale of Insomniac would be a great title
possibly a chapter in the book Horde Times - True Stories from the Barrel
Posted by: vmom Still Alive in These Tyrannical Times

I have to disagree somewhat. I didn't live a particularly great or interesting life. I wasted years on not living my life at all.

Most of my memories, especially the early ones, suck donkey balls and I wouldn't wish them on any person of good will and decent character.

HOWEVER... The good part is, and I hope that this can help someone, anyone, is that my life does demonstrate, however imperfectly, that you can take an enormous beating, have all kinds of things go wrong, have your entire sense of self stripped away, and have to come to grips that the people you trusted most fucked you in all kinds of ways - and still get back up. And change. And become a better person.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 23, 2020 12:05 PM (NWiLs)

134 126 There was considerable bitching up in Erie when they started to bill the ice fisherman for water rescues. Idiots driving a truck on 3" ice.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at May 23, 2020 12:06 PM (C1Lsn)

135 "Six feet apart" is stupid , but I think the reasoning is that "six feet" is the approximate length of a human body lying down.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 23, 2020 12:06 PM (CqE5x)

136 I think what pisses me off the most about this Coronavurus Hysteria is that since January all you've had to do is go to the CDC's website and do a little number crunching and you find out it is not even as deadly as the seasonal flu.

Those numbers have stayed consistent since January but nobody pays any attention at all.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 23, 2020 12:06 PM (Qio/u)

137 112

Fauci says we should never shake hands again but it's OK to have sex with strangers you meet on the internet.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 23, 2020 11:59 AM

Heh, I can imagine a scene in a bar (when they finally open up again)...

Man (extending his hand to shake hands): "Hi there, my name is John. May I ask your name?"

Woman (slowly moving away from extended hand): "I'm sorry, I can't shake your hand. Dr. Fauci said so. Pandemic and all.

Man: "Oh okay. Well, how about we go somewhere and have sex? He said that was okay."

Woman: "Okay, sure! As long as Fauci said it's okay. And you wear a mask..."

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at May 23, 2020 12:06 PM (Do5/p)

138 Notsothoreau: you in the People's Republic of WA? Whereabouts?
Posted by: secret squirrel, author of 3 LTs of Joint Base Lear MacBeth available on Amazon at May 23, 2020 11:51 AM (xyImL)


***

I drove past the local park and fishing hole near puyallup. All locked up. And the picnic and playground areas have crime scene tape all around them.

Idiots.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 23, 2020 12:06 PM (axyOa)

139 Right now it seems like the only way to get hands on my body.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 23, 2020 12:02 PM (QzF6i)

*leers*

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 23, 2020 12:06 PM (NWiLs)

140 The ain't in you ain't black plain bugs me.
Does Senile Joe think black people don't understand proper English? Does he think it will resonate with the street?
Somebody please put him in a home.

Posted by: Northernlurker at May 23, 2020 12:06 PM (Uu+Jp)

141 Mike Rowe notes that as official safety measures increase a sense of safety, people tend to take more risks.

Sam Peltzman of the University of Chicago showed that decades ago when about half the states had mandatory seat belt laws and about half didn't.

It turned out that drivers in states with mandatory seat belt laws tended to drive faster, drive drunker, and killed more pedestrians than drivers in states without mandatory seat belt laws.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at May 23, 2020 12:07 PM (I2/tG)

142 When you're in a bad car crash and you get banged around

you go home and say, "well, at least I wasn't injured"

2 days later, you can't get out of bed.

that time is coming for America.

Posted by: REDACTED at May 23, 2020 12:07 PM (UUUON)

143 Where did the 6-feet thing come from?

********



It came from here with a nudge from If-A-Little-Is-Good-More-Must-Be-Better. This was the blueprint that was largely used at the start of the current pandemic. It emerged from the 2009 H1N1 outbreak. (Read the whole thing and dig into the references if you want a better picture of the "science".)

https://tinyurl.com/wuwx7nz

CDC: Community Mitigation Guidelines to Prevent Pandemic Influenza - U.S. 2017


"Increasing the distance to at least 3 feet between persons when possible might reduce person-to person transmission. This applies to apparently healthy persons without symptoms. In the event of a very severe or extreme pandemic, this recommended minimal distance between people might be increased."


Caveat: "Even though the evidence base for the effectiveness of some of these measures is limited, CDC might recommend the simultaneous use of multiple social distancing measures to help reduce the spread of influenza in community settings (e.g.,schools, workplaces, mass gatherings

Posted by: Muldoon at May 23, 2020 12:07 PM (Fc5rx)

144
Two houses near me sold this past week. Both new owners are from Illinois.


Posted by: grammie winger at May 23, 2020 12:05 PM (lwiT4)


I'm hoping the people who are leaving are what's left of Republicans and flip states like Wisconsin to permanent in the R column. Because Illinois will be plus 30 Democrat no matter what

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 23, 2020 12:08 PM (Ty/7D)

145 I'm seeing a lot of people trying to pass off Joe Biden's #YouAintBlack comment as merely a 'gaffe' or 'joke'...
But it wasn't.

It revealed a deeply rooted and pernicious form of racism that is extremely pervasive in left-wing politics. Let me explain...


It certainly wasn't a "gaffe" - he said exactly what he meant to say. He obviously meant is as a light hearted comment- sort of a joke, but not really- but that doesn't change one little bit about the content. He meant black people are beholden to democrats, full stop. I'm glad this has gotten so much attention.

Posted by: LASue at May 23, 2020 12:08 PM (Ed8Zd)

146 135 "Six feet apart" is stupid , but I think the reasoning is that "six feet" is the approximate length of a human body lying down.
Posted by: JoeF. at May 23, 2020 12:06 PM (CqE5x)
---
Next up. YOU stand! YOU lie down! Or do you want to kill grandma?

Posted by: Menack at May 23, 2020 12:08 PM (buTO7)

147 You are a legend.




Aren't we all ..?

Posted by: runner at May 23, 2020 12:08 PM (zr5Kq)

148 53 Speaking of risk...
How come I can go for 6 months in the kitchen and never have a problem and then in 48 hours cut myself once and burn myself twice?
Sheesh.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 23, 2020 11:43 AM (axyOa)

I find cleaning my eyeglasses helps when that starts happening!

Posted by: Heirloominati, saucier at May 23, 2020 12:08 PM (rqgqe)

149 147 You are a legend.




Aren't we all ..?
Posted by: runner at May 23, 2020 12:08 PM (zr5Kq)

In our own minds.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 23, 2020 12:08 PM (NWiLs)

150 When you're in a bad car crash and you get banged around

you go home and say, "well, at least I wasn't injured"

2 days later, you can't get out of bed.

that time is coming for America.
Posted by: REDACTED at May 23, 2020 12:07 PM (UUUON)

Nicely put.

Posted by: LASue at May 23, 2020 12:08 PM (Ed8Zd)

151 The panic over CORONA can be traced to late February when the Dow Jones went down 2000 pts over a two day period and someone at the CDC who turned out to be ROD ROSENSTEIN'S sister said that Trump was not "taking the virus seriously enough" or words to that effect.
Then it was off to the races

Look it up.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 23, 2020 12:09 PM (CqE5x)

152

It's 6 feet apart because we are all Number 6 in The Village of Karens

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 23, 2020 12:10 PM (Ty/7D)

153 Where did the 6-feet thing come from? Why not 5, or 7? Is there science behind 6?

Life is even more dangerous in Europe where they must use the French system. 1.5m is less than six feet!

Posted by: t-bird at May 23, 2020 12:10 PM (bc+R5)

154 136- Sharkman-

Mrs. Squirrel recently read the CDC guidelines on opening schools. Halfway through them she looked up and said, "is this for real?"
Short of martial law, there is now way that the CDC's guidelines can be implemented or enforced. It isn't even remotely tenable. To say its a bridge too far is an understatement. Who the F wrote them at CDC clearly doesn't have kids or hasn't been to a school recently. An example (I'll try to dig em up) was that only one kid can be seated in a school bus seat at a time and must remain 6 feet from another child. Desks must be separated by 6 feet. No cafeteria lunches etc.
We could have endless posts about the ones i just cited. I mean did anyone even remotely put thought into these guidelines? Any small bit of planning and analysis?? FFS.

Posted by: secret squirrel, author of 3 LTs of Joint Base Lear MacBeth available on Amazon at May 23, 2020 12:10 PM (xyImL)

155 150
When you're in a bad car crash and you get banged around



you go home and say, "well, at least I wasn't injured"



2 days later, you can't get out of bed.



that time is coming for America.

Posted by: REDACTED at May 23, 2020 12:07 PM (UUUON)



Nicely put.

Posted by: LASue at May 23, 2020 12:08 PM (Ed8Zd)

Agreed

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 23, 2020 12:10 PM (QzF6i)

156 Nicely put.
Posted by: LASue at May 23, 2020 12:08 PM (Ed8Zd)

ty

Posted by: REDACTED at May 23, 2020 12:10 PM (UUUON)

157 "Even though the evidence base for the effectiveness of some of these measures is limited,"




wait what ?? does Trump's corona force know about this ????

Posted by: runner at May 23, 2020 12:10 PM (zr5Kq)

158 Wowow browser crash slow net many hinderances

In case this wasn't already answered...

grammie winger: Where did the 6-feet thing come from? Why not 5, or 7? Is there science behind 6?

Just like the plastic straws up sea turtles noses scare, some high school kid's poorly-thought-out random idea became Common Knowledge. (NPC heads nod sagely)

A Kid With No Job Came Up With the Idea of Shutting Down the Economy in a Pandemic
by Victoria Taft, PJ Media

https://bit.ly/six-foot-idea

Posted by: mindful webworker - Okie by birth and choice
at May 23, 2020 12:11 PM (bd376)

159 AOP.......sorry I didn't see your response last night. Micotil. Evidently it's on 10 month back order on SK. And although we could get it from a vet here in CO......He told us no way we would be able to send it over the border

Posted by: westminsterdogshow at May 23, 2020 12:11 PM (/UQ/R)

160 When you're in a bad car crash and you get banged around

you go home and say, "well, at least I wasn't injured"

2 days later, you can't get out of bed.

that time is coming for America.
Posted by: REDACTED at May 23, 2020 12:07 PM (UUUON)

Wow

Posted by: JoeF. at May 23, 2020 12:11 PM (CqE5x)

161 I am also at the loss of the virus magic, so if I stand on a 6 foot prison circle at the store and then move forward to the next prison circle, aren't I breathing the same air of the previous person who just left? If the answer is no, then the virus dies in the time it takes me to walk 6 feet.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 23, 2020 12:11 PM (r+sAi)

162 CDC uses lots of weasel words in that paper. But, they do acknowledge that their 'evidence' came from isolated case reviews, analysis of the 1918 Flu Pandemic and mathematical modeling.

Yay

Posted by: Muldoon at May 23, 2020 12:11 PM (Fc5rx)

163 77 71 My theory has long been that when one is young, one can get away with doing stupid stuff, because one isn't old enough to know better. However, the older one gets, the less one can get away with stupid stuff, because, at some point, one is supposed to know better.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 23, 2020 11:42 AM (WEBkv)

Exactly.
Posted by: JoeF. at May 23, 2020 11:47 AM (CqE5x)

Makes sense. Then again, if you don't spend some time testing your own limits, you won't find out who you really are or who you want to be.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 23, 2020 11:48 AM (NWiLs)

Risk analysis is LEARNED.

You learn not to stick your hand in a fire, by first getting your hand CLOSE to a fire, and finding out it hurts.

But if you've never been around fire, you would never know that at an instinctual level.

Pain is the greatest survival teacher of all.

So putting your kids in a bubble where they can never be hurt at all? Sets them up for real injury later.

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 23, 2020 12:12 PM (NgKpN)

164 some of my recent foraging trips, and trips to take my husband to get bloodwork/checkup/etc have left me feeling like we are living in a version of Milo Minderbinder's Great Loyalty Oath Crusade from Catch-22, kicked off by Col. Cathcart's plan to prove himself worthy of promotion by proving his unit as the most patriotic and American.

It all ramped up incrementally, with ever-more involved ways to demonstrate and tally one's bone fides, and all came crashing down in an instant when fierce Major ______ De Coverley (the man so scary no one knew his first name) came in from the field and went to the mess hall.

He was confused by the piece of paper they handed him to sign, in order to get a tray, and tossed it aside. Scanning the room, with its long lines of men backed up reciting the Pledge of Allegiance to get silverware, and singing the Star Spangled Banner to get potatoes, and so on, he shoved his way forward and said "Gimme eat."

The kid behind the counter handed him something to sign and he swept it aside with "GIMME EAT".

The kid looked at Milo in terror, who nodded, and the kid provided the major with a tray of food.

Turning to go to a seat, the major saw the lines of men staring at his food with longing, and declaimed "Give EVERYBODY eat."

And just like that, the Great Loyalty Oath Crusade was over.

I keep looking for Major ______ de Coverley when I am out.

Posted by: barbarausa at May 23, 2020 12:12 PM (W7IZQ)

165 The panic over CORONA can be traced to late
February when the Dow Jones went down 2000 pts over a two day period
and someone at the CDC who turned out to be ROD ROSENSTEIN'S sister
said that Trump was not "taking the virus seriously enough" or words to
that effect.

Then it was off to the races



Look it up.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 23, 2020 12:09 PM (CqE5x)


I remember that press conference that bitch did. She went rogue to deliberately fire torpedoes at the market and economy. That was the start of the fear mongering. She should be strung up next to Miguelito Fauci

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 23, 2020 12:12 PM (Ty/7D)

166 I find cleaning my eyeglasses helps when that starts happening!
Posted by: Heirloominati, saucier


***

Well.

Hell.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 23, 2020 12:12 PM (axyOa)

167 legalinsurrection.com/wuhan virus watch now fauci says staying closed for too long may cause irreparable damage

So Dr Fauci should have put his little economist hat on a little sooner.
Thats the Leftists one stage thinking I say about often.

Posted by: Skip at May 23, 2020 12:12 PM (ZCEU2)

168 151 The panic over CORONA can be traced to late February ..
---
I was tracing it to hate of February. Got a lot of thinking to do now.

Posted by: Menack at May 23, 2020 12:12 PM (buTO7)

169 Listen, there's nothing riskier than a Delaware whore turning tricks in a Rhode Island brothel, c'mon, man!

Posted by: Fritz at May 23, 2020 12:12 PM (95j/9)

170 Right now it seems like the only way to get hands on my body.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice)


How YOU doin'?

;-)

Posted by: Sharkman at May 23, 2020 12:13 PM (Qio/u)

171 128

I moved out of Chicago a few years ago to the western burbs. Glad I did because Dykefoot is never going to reopen the city. She's far worse than Jabba. But the whole state is toast.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 23, 2020 12:04 PM

The funny thing is that it really depends on where in Chicago you are regarding any effect you're seeing.

My brother is a Chicago police officer on the south side. He says they are not enforcing anything and no one on the south side is adhering to social distancing or masks or anything.

Sure the businesses and such are closed or open with restrictions per the order. But as far as people not travelling or keeping social distance or wearing masks or not having parties bigger than 10 people... not happening. People are doing what they want and police are not being ordered to enforce anything.

Different story though for a church and their parishioners on the north side of Chicago though.

I think it's the same all over in these locked down states. Selective enforcement of the rules by the government.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at May 23, 2020 12:13 PM (Do5/p)

172 So the point someone made last thread was a little worrisome - Silicon Valley workers are digging remote work and looking at affordable housing outside of Newsom's Nanny State.


Coming soon to a neighborhood near you....

Posted by: deplorable unperson - Have you reported in to your assigned Contact Tracer today? at May 23, 2020 12:13 PM (2KNZv)

173 "Six feet apart" is stupid , but I think the reasoning is that "six feet" is the approximate length of a human body lying down.

Maybe it comes from the distance of outstrethed arms. You can shake hands from five feet away and get the Wu.

Posted by: t-bird at May 23, 2020 12:13 PM (pbStR)

174 Where did the 6- INCH thing come from? Why not 5, or 7? Is there science behind 6?

Posted by: Question for Dr. Kinsey at May 23, 2020 12:13 PM (CqE5x)

175 I'm hoping the people who are leaving are what's left of Republicans and flip states like Wisconsin to permanent in the R column. Because Illinois will be plus 30 Democrat no matter what

Ignores Emigrant Stupid Voter Syndrome - people leave blue states, and then vote for exactly the same policies in their new states that caused them to leave their old states.

California emigrants have turned and Washington, Oregon from purple states that occasionally would elect Republicans state-wide to deep blue states, and they are in the process of doing the same thing to Nevada, Arizona, and Colorado.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at May 23, 2020 12:13 PM (I2/tG)

176 The main reason companies do safety first is litigation. Either liability or workers compensation. Like doctors, insurance is a large cost.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 23, 2020 12:13 PM (2DOZq)

177 162 I'm sure some astrology is involved.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at May 23, 2020 12:13 PM (C1Lsn)

178
So putting your kids in a bubble where they can never be hurt at all? Sets them up for real injury later.
Posted by: Romeo13 at May 23, 2020 12:12 PM (NgKpN)

Very true. And it's not just the realm of the physical. You set them up for a life of fear and timidity as well.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 23, 2020 12:14 PM (NWiLs)

179 Shopping a Walmart on a Saturday morning. I made the mistake of going up the wrong way on a aisle. Not fun shopping at all, but everyone else was making the same mistakes I was. No Karen's around. The whole store was open. Just think if your a clothing store here in Cuomo land your closed! Go to Walmart and buy your clothes. That has to hurt the owners of a regular store!

Posted by: Colin at May 23, 2020 12:14 PM (B4J5y)

180 "Six feet apart" is stupid , but I think the reasoning is that "six feet" is the approximate length of a human body lying down.
Posted by: JoeF. at May 23, 2020 12:06 PM (CqE5x)


I just figured it was somebody's idea of how far cough and/or sneeze particles travel.

I think it was mostly cough, because that's what everyone was focusing on at first. The lung involvement of this virus was causing coughs to be the number 1 symptom.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 23, 2020 12:14 PM (hku12)

181 Yep, vmom's a pretty cool!
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 23, 2020 11:44 AM (NWiLs)

ha ha
he means you, mister

Posted by: vmom Still Alive in These Tyrannical Times at May 23, 2020 12:15 PM (G546f)

182 ...You learn not to stick your hand in a fire, by first getting your hand CLOSE to a fire, and finding out it hurts....

==

I prefer to learn from mistakes of others. But that is just me. Not that I haven't loused up, just did not go around trying all kinds of crap that is guaranteed to wrack your life. As far as hand in fire, mommy told me not to, so I did not.

Posted by: runner at May 23, 2020 12:15 PM (zr5Kq)

183 Different story though for a church and their parishioners on the north side of Chicago though.

The City of Chicago will never shut down a black church.

Rumanian churches are fair game, however.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at May 23, 2020 12:15 PM (I2/tG)

184 I would like to sit some Karens down and make them watch videos of these old graveyards. Lots of children's graves. Lots of folks that didn't make it ti 60. Lots of people that died from epidemics. If you are frightened by that, you are frightened by life.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at May 23, 2020 12:15 PM (Lqy/e)

185 Well, shoot, last weekend at the PNW Emergency MoMe, I met/shook hands with/hugged people I'd not met before. I'm supposed to be dead now.

*pokes self a couple of times*

Doesn't seem like it.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, 1st Murder Hornet Squadron at May 23, 2020 12:15 PM (4o2K3)

186 BEWBS!!!
Posted by: Puddleglum at work at May 23, 2020 12:02 PM (MVR7y)

Sorry, I'm old and don't understand all the newfangled slang you youngsters use.

I looked it up on Urban dictionary and it said "Boobs".

I have forgotten what those are as well.

Now, I have to find my car keys.

Posted by: Charles Martel at May 23, 2020 12:16 PM (m/ROF)

187 CDC needs an audit.

Posted by: runner at May 23, 2020 12:16 PM (zr5Kq)

188 I prefer to learn from mistakes of others. But that is just me. Not that I haven't loused up, just did not go around trying all kinds of crap that is guaranteed to wrack your life. As far as hand in fire, mommy told me not to, so I did not.
Posted by: runner at May 23, 2020 12:15 PM (zr5Kq)

Mommy told me I was the source of everything wrong in her life. I eventually learned not to listen to mommy.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 23, 2020 12:17 PM (NWiLs)

189 187 CDC needs an audit.
Posted by: runner at May 23, 2020 12:16 PM (zr5Kq)

but they'll settle for a Benz

Posted by: REDACTED at May 23, 2020 12:17 PM (UUUON)

190 AOP.......sorry I didn't see your response last night. Micotil. Evidently it's on 10 month back order on SK. And although we could get it from a vet here in CO......He told us no way we would be able to send it over the border
Posted by: westminsterdogshow at May 23, 2020 12:11 PM (/UQ/R)

I will call the vet office today, and see if they have it, or can sell some. If it is scarce in Saskatchewan, which is only a couple of hours away from here, they might be hoarding it here for local cattle raisers. But i can ask.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 23, 2020 12:17 PM (HXZjw)

191 Different story though for a church and their parishioners on the north side of Chicago though.



I think it's the same all over in these locked down states. Selective enforcement of the rules by the government.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at May 23, 2020 12:13 PM (Do5/p)


The south and west sides are still shooting galleries. Good thing Dykefoot has the cops stationed along the lakefront to stop people from committing the high crimes of walking, jogging or bike riding

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 23, 2020 12:18 PM (Ty/7D)

192 We could have endless posts about the ones i just cited. I mean did anyone even remotely put thought into these guidelines? Any small bit of planning and analysis?? FFS.

Posted by: secret squirrel



Just saw the "guidance" for my 13 y/o going back to school in the fall.

Absolute insanity. Ex and I immediately agreed we are going to interview every private Christian school in the state until we find one where sanity prevails and enroll our daughter there. I am not tolerating this BS any longer.


Posted by: Sharkman at May 23, 2020 12:18 PM (Qio/u)

193 ha ha
he means you, mister
Posted by: vmom Still Alive in These Tyrannical Times at May 23, 2020 12:15 PM (G546f)

Oh. Well, you're still a legend. I feel like more of a cautionary tale, with a happy ending (shut up) tacked on at the end.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 23, 2020 12:18 PM (NWiLs)

194 178
So putting your kids in a bubble where they can never be hurt at all? Sets them up for real injury later.
Posted by: Romeo13 at May 23, 2020 12:12 PM (NgKpN)

Very true. And it's not just the realm of the physical. You set them up for a life of fear and timidity as well.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 23, 2020 12:14 PM (NWiLs)

Yup, and we are finding the same damn thing happens with the immune system too.

Constant sanitizing around your kids? They never build up a good immune system, so when something DOES hit, it hits hard.

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 23, 2020 12:18 PM (NgKpN)

195
I'm hoping the people who are leaving are what's left of Republicans and flip states like Wisconsin to permanent in the R column. Because Illinois will be plus 30 Democrat no matter what
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 23, 2020 12:08 PM (Ty/7D)

I hope so, too. We're fvcked here in ILL. It would be nice to have a sane place somewhere close by to escape to when possible so that I can visit whatever family is left. Even though they're all Dims.

Posted by: Gem at May 23, 2020 12:19 PM (kIHih)

196 I would like to sit some Karens down and make them watch videos of these old graveyards. Lots of children's graves. Lots of folks that didn't make it ti 60. Lots of people that died from epidemics. If you are frightened by that, you are frightened by life.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at May 23, 2020 12:15 PM (Lqy/e)
------------

I blame lawyers. Trial lawyers to be exact. Use something in a manner that is obviously unsafe, get injured, collect, because product was not labeled "Not for use while doing xyz."

Things sort of spiraled from there.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 23, 2020 12:19 PM (WEBkv)

197 188 I prefer to learn from mistakes of others. But that is just me. Not that I haven't loused up, just did not go around trying all kinds of crap that is guaranteed to wrack your life. As far as hand in fire, mommy told me not to, so I did not.
Posted by: runner at May 23, 2020 12:15 PM (zr5Kq)


"the idea is to get the other guy to die for his country"

from the greatest American of all time

Posted by: REDACTED at May 23, 2020 12:19 PM (UUUON)

198 CDC needs an audit old school Roman decimation.

Posted by: runner at May 23, 2020 12:16 PM (zr5Kq)


FIFY and that goes for every government agency

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 23, 2020 12:19 PM (Ty/7D)

199 I remember that press conference that bitch did. She went rogue to deliberately fire torpedoes at the market and economy. That was the start of the fear mongering. She should be strung up next to Miguelito Fauci
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 23, 2020 12:12 PM (Ty/7D)

All through January and Impeachment and all that , Chinese Virus was "out there" and was starting to get talked about , but it wasn't until Italy started getting impacted before the talk got serious---because that meant China was lying and the virus was travelling. And that's when Trump enacted the China travel ban.

It took a couple more weeks before I think a light bulb went off at the DNC



Posted by: JoeF. at May 23, 2020 12:20 PM (CqE5x)

200 Lot of Morons in Warshington State. .
small living cells of truth and humor in a fetid lake of noxious stupidity.

Posted by: Mr. Barky at May 23, 2020 12:20 PM (JI3du)

201 some reason Pixy not letting me cut and paste the CDC school reopening guidelines.

Posted by: secret squirrel, author of 3 LTs of Joint Base Lear MacBeth available on Amazon at May 23, 2020 12:20 PM (xyImL)

202 Yup, and we are finding the same damn thing happens with the immune system too.

Constant sanitizing around your kids? They never build up a good immune system, so when something DOES hit, it hits hard.
Posted by: Romeo13 at May 23, 2020 12:18 PM (NgKpN)

Also true. Sheltering your kids, regardless of intention, is actually one of the worst, and ultimately most cruel, things you can do to whem.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 23, 2020 12:20 PM (NWiLs)

203 Walmart is using those horrible plastic bags to bag your grocerys...I felt so dirty, and wanted to get Cuomo on speed dial, but held off and enjoyed the plastic bags for a change.

Posted by: Colin at May 23, 2020 12:21 PM (B4J5y)

204 *them

Good Lord my typing sucks today.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 23, 2020 12:21 PM (NWiLs)

205 So putting your kids in a bubble where they can never be hurt at all? Sets them up for real injury later.
Posted by: Romeo13 at May 23, 2020 12:12 PM (NgKpN)

Very true. And it's not just the realm of the physical. You set them up for a life of fear and timidity as well.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 23, 2020 12:14 PM (NWiLs)


Not too long ago, in the before time, there was widespread discussion advocating for cutting back on the use of antibiotics. Because they tend to cause some microbes to mutate into drug resistant strains, AND they cause immune systems to become lazy. Furthermore, if you kill all bacteria in your body, you're eliminating the good stuff and the bad, and your body won't function right without our little helpers inside us.

But no, I guess we forgot all that.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 23, 2020 12:21 PM (hku12)

206 "the idea is to get the other guy to die for his country"

from the greatest American of all time
Posted by: REDACTED at May 23, 2020 12:19 PM (UUUON)

Hears an echoing bugle....

Posted by: Gem at May 23, 2020 12:21 PM (kIHih)

207 Just came back from the local supermarket chain. The one near my house, in my parish -- the benighted one "ruled" over by LaToya ("What, I'm supposed to knock down that hotel? Really?") Cantrell -- has a "masks required" sign that nobody enforces. The one I went to today, in the neighboring suburban parish, had no such notice, and a lot fewer people were wearing them inside.

I chatted with one of the staffers, who was not wearing a mask, and it was the best two minutes I've had at the grocery in a while.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 23, 2020 12:21 PM (rpbg1)

208 "the idea is to get the other guy to die for his country"

from the greatest American of all time
Posted by: REDACTED at May 23, 2020 12:19 PM (UUUON


?

Posted by: runner at May 23, 2020 12:21 PM (zr5Kq)

209 Posted by: runner at May 23, 2020 12:21 PM (zr5Kq)
----------

Patton.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 23, 2020 12:22 PM (WEBkv)

210 Are "First Responders" actually "Third Responders"?

The true first responder is the person who sees something and then does something. It can be a four year old whose Mommy gets sick so the child calls 911. We call those children "heroes".

The second responders is the person who gets a call for help, often the 911 operator, who then sets in motion a response.

The third responders are often the police and fire personnel.

There can be fourth responders who get a call for backup or for a multiple alarm for a fire.

The most important is the responders of those of last resort. They are the people who bring the incident to a resolution.

They are the people that the situation demands today.

Posted by: MachiasPrivateer at May 23, 2020 12:22 PM (EMi53)

211 I guess I'm dense. I don't get the car accident reference. Someone put me some knowledge?

Posted by: Infidel at May 23, 2020 12:23 PM (sNpqr)

212 *them

Good Lord my typing sucks today.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo


Clearly you need more shots of Jagermeister.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 23, 2020 12:23 PM (Qio/u)

213 200- I remember when WA was still mostly red. King, Pierce and Snohomish have always been blue- but they were mostly kept in check. After Gregoire stole the election for GOV in 2004, the libs were emboldened and have managed to win it all (except for the east side where i currently reside). However, the libs have a toehold in Spokane and its already becoming purple. Evidence for this is the amount of hobos and urchins milling about the streets there. Soon Spokompton shall go blue. The last holdout is the Tri Cities.

Posted by: secret squirrel, author of 3 LTs of Joint Base Lear MacBeth available on Amazon at May 23, 2020 12:23 PM (xyImL)

214 I have yet to get sick from a hug. But then, I don't know anyone that's gotten sick.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at May 23, 2020 12:23 PM (Lqy/e)

215 As far as hand in fire, mommy told me not to, so I did not.
Posted by: runner at May 23, 2020 12:15 PM (zr5Kq)

Sorry, but the absolute best memories of my life, the ones that made me the Man I am?

Were all done doing things Mommy would have told me not to do.

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 23, 2020 12:23 PM (NgKpN)

216 That has to hurt the owners of a regular store!


Posted by: Colin at May 23, 2020 12:14 PM (B4J5y)

This has been my problem with this all along. Why is it okay to go to Walmart but not Bed, Bath and Beyond. Why is it okay to go to Home Depot and buy plants but not the local greenhouse? It is probably safer to go into a small store with fewer people than a mega store with a giant parking lot. I've already seen a lot of businesses that do cabinets are out of business but you can got to Lowe's.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 23, 2020 12:23 PM (QzF6i)

217 Patton.


oh, that American....

Posted by: runner at May 23, 2020 12:23 PM (zr5Kq)

218 http://coldfury.com/2020/05/20/life-unsafe-at-any-speed/

Fitting short article to add to this discussion

Posted by: Skip at May 23, 2020 12:24 PM (ZCEU2)

219 I went to Kroger's this morning, and people were going in what was the "out only" door yesterday. Inside barriers were down, mask usage was WAY down -- yesterday I was one of the few without, today maybe 15-20% of customers with them. Staff still have to wear the stupid things, though.

Yesterday was the first time I saw a non-standard face covering, which was neat; one woman was wearing a military gas mask.

Posted by: Empire1 at May 23, 2020 12:24 PM (IVHho)

220
Clearly you need more shots of Jagermeister.
Posted by: Sharkman at May 23, 2020 12:23 PM (Qio/u)

The smell of that shit alone makes me want to puke.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 23, 2020 12:24 PM (NWiLs)

221 Sorry, but the absolute best memories of my life, the ones that made me the Man I am?

Were all done doing things Mommy would have told me not to do.
Posted by: Romeo13 at May 23, 2020 12:23 PM (NgKpN)


We are of different mommies.

Posted by: runner at May 23, 2020 12:24 PM (zr5Kq)

222 Walmart is using those horrible plastic bags to bag
your grocerys...I felt so dirty, and wanted to get Cuomo on speed dial,
but held off and enjoyed the plastic bags for a change.


Posted by: Colin at May 23, 2020 12:21 PM (B4J5y)


I love how prior to Flu Manchu grocery stores would try to push using the reusable bags because "they care". Flu Manchu hits and it's fck that stupid shit

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 23, 2020 12:24 PM (Ty/7D)

223 There is an old saying that goes "There are old pilots, and there are bold pilots, but there are no old, bold pilots." People have said that for years. However, a certain amount of boldness is required, or you never leave the ground.

Ernest Gann, who died a while back as a very old pilot, said that the important characteristic wasn't timidity, it was wariness. It is more important to understand that you are taking a risk and to understand the risks that you take than it is to avoid risk.

Last week, I got the oil changed in my car. As I waited for the technician to do the work, the TV in the waiting room showed some morning news show. One of the segments featured a doctor, who answered questions of the form "should I do X to avoid Covid-19?" After complaining about the people in Wisconsin bars who might get Covid as they enjoy a drink with their friends, he answered all the questions in the affirmative. Of course you need to take all the precautions.

I scoffed at this. I mean, the people in Wisconsin could also get drunk at that bar and stagger in front of a truck or something, or they might try to drive home three sheets to the wind. That's far more likely to have serious health consequences than the possibility they might catch a virus, but the doctor's answer to the questions were even more pernicious.

I've been turning this over in my mind and yesterday, I thought of an analogy. Suppose you hire a lawyer to get you out of a speeding ticket. You might then ask said lawyer if you should continue to speed. Of course your lawyer is going to answer that you shouldn't, even if said lawyer speeds home from his office after your meeting. But that's the wrong question. The right question is: What would I risk if I continue the risky behavior? What could I lose and what are my odds of losing it?

Do you get what I'm saying?

Posted by: Cybersmythe at May 23, 2020 12:24 PM (edlKR)

224 205 So putting your kids in a bubble where they can never be hurt at all? Sets them up for real injury later.
Posted by: Romeo13 at May 23, 2020 12:12 PM (NgKpN)

Very true. And it's not just the realm of the physical. You set them up for a life of fear and timidity as well.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 23, 2020 12:14 PM (NWiLs)


Not too long ago, in the before time, there was widespread discussion advocating for cutting back on the use of antibiotics. Because they tend to cause some microbes to mutate into drug resistant strains, AND they cause immune systems to become lazy. Furthermore, if you kill all bacteria in your body, you're eliminating the good stuff and the bad, and your body won't function right without our little helpers inside us.

But no, I guess we forgot all that.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 23, 2020 12:21 PM (hku12)

I thought there was at least some evidence that severe childhood allergies and asthma went from relatively rare to common when kids stopped playing outside and eating dirt.

Posted by: Northernlurker at May 23, 2020 12:25 PM (Uu+Jp)

225
I blame lawyers. Trial lawyers to be exact. Use something in a manner that is obviously unsafe, get injured, collect, because product was not labeled "Not for use while doing xyz."

Things sort of spiraled from there.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 23, 2020 12:19 PM (WEBkv)

Also the local news --"if it bleeds it leads" --rule.
People started consuming that and all of a sudden there was a child-snatcher on every corner.

In 1967 when I was in kindergarten I walked EIGHT BLOCKS to school---BY MYSELF--and while it wasn't a dangerous neighborhood, it was a city and I had to cross SEVEN city streets.

Twenty years later, my nephews were being driven to school --a block away.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 23, 2020 12:25 PM (CqE5x)

226 Sorry, but the absolute best memories of my life, the ones that made me the Man I am?

Were all done doing things Mommy would have told me not to do.
Posted by: Romeo13 at May 23, 2020 12:23 PM (NgKpN)

And there it is. I think it does kids, especially boys, an enormous disservice that fathers delegate nearly every aspect of parenting to the mother.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 23, 2020 12:26 PM (NWiLs)

227 Thanks AOP.......

Email toque 16 chick at the gmail thingy

Would have to figure out a way to get you cash

Posted by: westminsterdogshow at May 23, 2020 12:26 PM (/UQ/R)

228 Had this willowed on the last thread. Safely past 100 comments now, so figured I would post again...

So passing by the local Beaumont Hospital on my way back from my grocery pick-up, I see the huge letters in front of the Hospital spelling out "Heroes Work Here!"

At first I just rolled my eyes. Then I had a thought... (no, I didn't hurt myself)...

It strikes me as wrong to be putting those signs up.

I mean, you don't pass by military bases and see them put up signs saying "Heroes train and work here!"

In fact, you don't see or hear any military members call themselves heroes at all. *Other* people call them heroes.

But it just strikes me as completely lame for groups of people now going around calling themselves heroes and advertising it.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at May 23, 2020 11:26 AM

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at May 23, 2020 12:26 PM (Do5/p)

229

Chief goal of living is to propagate and prosper so propagation is possible.

Posted by: irongrampa at May 23, 2020 12:27 PM (KATBx)

230 ND did the 'rona panic unlike SD, but ND is
relaxing rules at a decent rate. My sister said they are limiting
'gatherings' to no more than 250 people now. Lots of towns still
canceling summer rodeos, but at least 250 allows a lot of participation
driven events.



Dr Fauci saying being shut down 'too long' will cause problems DOH,
you fussy old man and too long was about at May 1, and you gave the D
governor's the excuse to punish their citizens for not embracing
communism.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at May 23, 2020 11:28 AM (T9Hmo)

"Too long" was a minute after they even considered the notion that they should shut down all the things and quarantine healthy people.


"Way past stupidity" is the fact that all the things are still closed in vast swaths of the country and that they are now pushing masks and the "new normal"


Excuse my language but fuck that noise.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at May 23, 2020 12:27 PM (nAiE/)

231 203 Walmart is using those horrible plastic bags to bag your grocerys...I felt so dirty, and wanted to get Cuomo on speed dial, but held off and enjoyed the plastic bags for a change.
Posted by: Colin at May 23, 2020 12:21 PM (B4J5y)

I was in one yesterday. All of the cloth bags had been repurposed to sorting returns by department.

Posted by: Fox2! at May 23, 2020 12:27 PM (kapIh)

232 Well...still cleaning up from flooded basement. Best get to it before more storms this p.m.

Have a good day and weekend, Hordians.

Posted by: Gem at May 23, 2020 12:27 PM (kIHih)

233 The smell of that shit alone makes me want to puke.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo



Well, then Everclear.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 23, 2020 12:28 PM (Qio/u)

234 well i gotta do some homework. you all have a great saturday!

Posted by: secret squirrel, author of 3 LTs of Joint Base Lear MacBeth available on Amazon at May 23, 2020 12:28 PM (xyImL)

235 The really cool thing about getting rid of the reusable bags?

We now pay for the disposable plastic bags that used to be included in the price of buying groceries.

#Winning!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 23, 2020 12:29 PM (WEBkv)

236 I was in one yesterday. All of the cloth bags had been repurposed to sorting returns by department.


BANNED - Reusable cloth grocery bags that absorb stuff and are gross.


MANDATORY - Reusable cloth masks that absorb stuff and are gross.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - Have you reported in to your assigned Contact Tracer today? at May 23, 2020 12:29 PM (2KNZv)

237 Sorry, but the absolute best memories of my life, the ones that made me the Man I am?

Were all done doing things Mommy would have told me not to do.
Posted by: Romeo13 at May 23, 2020 12:23 PM (NgKpN)

And there it is. I think it does kids, especially boys, an enormous disservice that fathers delegate nearly every aspect of parenting to the mother.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 23, 2020 12:26 PM (NWiLs)

Needs both. After a point, whatever your parents tell you becomes a suggestion, not a directive. But, hearing their opinion is valuable.

Posted by: runner at May 23, 2020 12:29 PM (zr5Kq)

238 Somewhere thos poast week read this lockdown was started as a term paper by a high school or college student, worked its way up the ladder to the CDC.

Posted by: Skip at May 23, 2020 12:29 PM (ZCEU2)

239

I see a lot of 'Thank you to all of the essential workers' signs on lawns. My job is deemed essential. I've been working at home for 10 weeks. You're welcome

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 23, 2020 12:29 PM (Ty/7D)

240 231 I have wondered, seeing somebody with a save the earth cloth shopping bag, if they have a box of plastic trash bags in there.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at May 23, 2020 12:29 PM (C1Lsn)

241 Chief goal of living is to propagate and prosper so propagation is possible.

Posted by: irongrampa


"Make the World Safe for F*cking".


Hmmm, catch-phrase needs work.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 23, 2020 12:29 PM (Qio/u)

242 >>We are of different mommies.

No question. My mom was the one leading by example. She was riding horses competitively into her 60s.

More like guidelines than actual rules.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 23, 2020 12:30 PM (ZLI7S)

243 Democrats have always treated minorities like they "own" them, which in the case of black folks, they one time did.

Now they treat them like "pets", tossing a treat now and then as long as they behave, or experimenting on them with social programs and marxist educations, etc, etc.

Time for black Americans to walk away from the party of Jim Crow and Joe Biden.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 23, 2020 12:31 PM (Z+IKu)

244 Strange that we had to shut down schools because they demanded that children be safe... from a virus that flat-out wasn't affecting them. (And if they'd been exposed to it and passed it around the classroom, they'd be stronger against such infections as they arrived in adulthood.)

But those same schools want the kids to try out transgenderism - a lifestyle that will shave DECADES off their lifespan, and leave them mentally wrecked during their shortened lives.

Posted by: RKae at May 23, 2020 12:31 PM (Tk204)

245

The NAACP on Friday pushed back on a claim by presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden that the civil rights organization had endorsed him "every time I've run" - stating that the group never endorses any political candidate.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 23, 2020 12:32 PM (aKsyK)

246 I also read that the 6 ft rule came from a High School student. Someone else mentioned that the plastic straws deal came from a High School student. And we Have Greta Thunberg as the expert on AGW.
What the Hell?!

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 23, 2020 12:32 PM (QzF6i)

247 I always joke that today my dad would be suspected of trying to kill me.

I had my first shotgun when I was 8 and prior to that I had multiple BB and pellet guns. He let me go up in a friends biplane when I was 6. I had a Honda 70 when I was 11 and my HS graduation present was a Yamaha 400 Enduro. He let me drive the car before I was a teen . Maybe he was trying to kill me?

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 23, 2020 12:32 PM (2DOZq)

248 238 do over
Somewhere this past weekend read this lockdown was started as a term paper by a high school or college student, worked its way up the ladder to the CDC

Type, read, post
Type, read post
Its not that hard

Posted by: Skip at May 23, 2020 12:32 PM (ZCEU2)

249 Do you get what I'm saying?
Posted by: Cybersmythe at May 23, 2020 12:24 PM (edlKR)

The army has a simpler saying, "stay alert, stay alive."

It's invoked when going INTO a hot zone.

Some people carry that message with them everywhere they go. Situational awareness when driving, situational awareness when walking down the street. A certain wariness when listening to politicians and news readers...

I think superstition and panic roll in from people who realize too late, they haven't been paying attention to what's going on around them.

So yeah, as you say, it doesn't really have anything to do with boldness. It's just about keeping one's eyes and ears and the other senses open to what's actually happening.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 23, 2020 12:32 PM (hku12)

250 144

I'm hoping the people who are leaving are what's left of Republicans and flip states like Wisconsin to permanent in the R column. Because Illinois will be plus 30 Democrat no matter what

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 23, 2020 12:08 PM

You know, I did not think of this until reading your comment.

I have been getting frustrated with the state of Michigan --- knowing our rights can be taken away with the snap of a finger by the whims of a madwoman for as long as she feels like it --- and the state of the auto industry in general --- move to "electrification" of everything, not based on customer demand, but because of government regulations and penalties if those regulations are not met.

I started thinking about both a new career and a new state of residence. A solid red state.

But, knowing that Michigan is currently a toss-up state, if people who share both my frustration and my conservative voting record start exiting the state, that turns MI from toss-up to solid Blue.

So for my own life sanity, it's probably better to leave Michigan and go to a solidly red state. But, if conservatives leave toss-up states and go to solidly red states, then we lose those toss-up states and the Left controls the federal government again.

Then again, Texas is a solid red state and yet they were locked down as well.

So who the fucks knows anymore...

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at May 23, 2020 12:33 PM (Do5/p)

251 Havent done anytrhing but buy liqour at the gas station, and eat what restaurants bring me. How is this bad?

Posted by: Menack at May 23, 2020 12:33 PM (buTO7)

252 242 >>We are of different mommies.

No question. My mom was the one leading by example. She was riding horses competitively into her 60s.


Mine was a bitter, cruel authoritarian. It fucks you up pretty good. I've had to work really hard to repair that. So if you have kids, don't be a vicious shit to them. Yes, kids are resilient, but if you make it your mission in life to break them, you can.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 23, 2020 12:33 PM (NWiLs)

253 I also read that the 6 ft rule came from a High School student. Someone else mentioned that the plastic straws deal came from a High School student. And we Have Greta Thunberg as the expert on AGW.
What the Hell?!

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice)

----

Remember the whole "Kilimanjaro is losing all of its snow!" panic from the AGW nuts?

Yeah. That came from a remark in a hiking magazine.

The science is settled. Don't argue.

Posted by: RKae at May 23, 2020 12:34 PM (Tk204)

254 Here's a link to an older column I recently reread:

https://tinyurl.com/y9qv8769

Baseball Crank has gotten some well-deserved criticism here. This is Bill James's take, Nov, 1916. James is not a conservative, but a liberal of the kind common in my youth (and his). But nowadays, that means he's conservative in many respects.

He actually doesn't like Trump. He's not one of us. But the essay is "The 'Oh, Grow Up' Election". And he is as much superior to BC here, as he is at baseball crankery.

Posted by: Eeyore at May 23, 2020 12:34 PM (ZbwAu)

255

To refuse to honor those who make this country what it is brings great dishonor to them.

I categorically defy anyone anywhere to find a nation more suited to the pursuit of life liberty and happiness that this most exceptional one we live in.

DESPITE the ongoing effort to ineradicably change it.

Posted by: irongrampa at May 23, 2020 12:34 PM (KATBx)

256 I had my first shotgun when I was 8 and prior to that I had multiple BB and pellet guns. He let me go up in a friends biplane when I was 6. I had a Honda 70 when I was 11 and my HS graduation present was a Yamaha 400 Enduro. He let me drive the car before I was a teen . Maybe he was trying to kill me?
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 23, 2020 12:32 PM (2DOZq)

Nope. He wanted to instill masculine traits, and not have you grow up to be a pussy. So good on him.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 23, 2020 12:34 PM (NWiLs)

257 AOP.......sorry I didn't see your response last night. Micotil. Evidently it's on 10 month back order on SK. And although we could get it from a vet here in CO......He told us no way we would be able to send it over the border
Posted by: westminsterdogshow at May 23, 2020 12:11 PM (/UQ/R)

I will call the vet office today, and see if they have it, or can sell some. If it is scarce in Saskatchewan, which is only a couple of hours away from here, they might be hoarding it here for local cattle raisers. But i can ask.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 23, 2020 12:17 PM (HXZjw)

I did DDG search on Micotil. Wow! That can be a dangerous drug to humans. An accidental injection of it can kill a person, and has done so.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 23, 2020 12:34 PM (HXZjw)

258 Complacency kills.

Posted by: West at May 23, 2020 12:34 PM (j0Esu)

259 Yeah I'm also sick of the heroes signs etc. Now our school district had signs printed that say "we 'heart' our teachers," No love for taxpayers though.

Posted by: Mr. Barky at May 23, 2020 12:35 PM (JI3du)

260 164 Posted by: barbarausa at May 23, 2020 12:12 PM (W7IZQ)

Thank you for the Joseph Heller reference, that book played a prominent role during my formative years!

" ... some men are born mediocre, some achieve mediocrity, and some have mediocrity thrust upon them. With Major Major Major it was all three."

Posted by: Heirloominati, Question Authority! at May 23, 2020 12:35 PM (rqgqe)

261 Someone else mentioned that the plastic straws deal came from a High School student.
-----
Oh, better than that. It was from a nine-year-old kid who did some desultory phone-calling and made an egregious extrapolation from same.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, 1st Murder Hornet Squadron at May 23, 2020 12:35 PM (4o2K3)

262 "But it just strikes me as completely lame for groups of people now going around calling themselves heroes and advertising it."

Clyde, I've been thinking for about a month now that nurses/healthcare workers are being elevated to "teacher! (cue sounds of angelic choir and trumpet fanfare, while a legion of heavenly warriors draws swords in their perpetual lionized defense)" status.

And I think it is part of the push to use this to nationalize government healthcare if the dems win.

Now Nurses! are just like Teachers! in some eyes, and we all know teachers are sacred, and the schools deserve every penny they demand.

Posted by: barbarausa at May 23, 2020 12:35 PM (W7IZQ)

263
"Make the World Safe for F*cking".


Hmmm, catch-phrase needs work.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 23, 2020 12:29 PM (Qio/u)


It's for the children.

Posted by: Gonzo at May 23, 2020 12:35 PM (huk1K)

264 Havent done anytrhing but buy liqour at the gas station, and eat what restaurants bring me. How is this bad?
Posted by: Menack

---

Or, in your case, how is this different?

...I'm just guessing, of course.

Posted by: RKae at May 23, 2020 12:35 PM (Tk204)

265 Not too long ago, in the before time, there was widespread discussion advocating for cutting back on the use of antibiotics. Because they tend to cause some microbes to mutate into drug resistant strains, AND they cause immune systems to become lazy. Furthermore, if you kill all bacteria in your body, you're eliminating the good stuff and the bad, and your body won't function right without our little helpers inside us.

But no, I guess we forgot all that.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 23, 2020 12:21 PM (hku12)

I thought there was at least some evidence that severe childhood allergies and asthma went from relatively rare to common when kids stopped playing outside and eating dirt.
Posted by: Northernlurker at May 23, 2020 12:25 PM (Uu+Jp)


Right, just the overall practice of living in a sanitized world. It's not really ironic, but to some I guess it seems so... the more you try to keep safe, the more the world will swallow you up and spit you out.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 23, 2020 12:36 PM (hku12)

266 "But it just strikes me as completely lame for groups of people now going around calling themselves heroes and advertising it."

---

Goddamned nurses are not only professional Karens, but they are crisis actors in the biggest street theater production ever put on.

Posted by: RKae at May 23, 2020 12:36 PM (Tk204)

267 Once the Karen's lose their jobs or their husbands do and the unemployment runs out and they can't pay bills or put food on the table and there is a real risk of them being homeless then they MIGHT start getting it...maybe.
I was shocked when my mother said someone should have called the police because a person wasn't wear a mask in Costco. I kind of went off on her. She kept throwing the "reasonable facts" she's heard at me. I had to point out that Texas had 1500 coved deaths out of 30 million people. She said it was a lot of deaths. I had to point out that about 450-500 people on average die everyday in Texas alone. I get she's scared of dying. But she pulled the if I get it and then give it to my kids, family, etc. Then it is selfish, etc. I had to tell her no, it isn't worth my life or anyone else's to destroy this country. The crazy part is my mom is no leftist. She campaigned for Reagan. She also lives under my roof. She pointed out that only a handful of people have died in a Taiwan and they all wear mask therefore masks must work....
The message that people have stuck in their heads is getting the virus is an automatic death sentence and people are afraid of dying...that is so sad.

Posted by: lin-duh en fugue at May 23, 2020 12:37 PM (UUBmN)

268 In 1967 when I was in kindergarten I walked EIGHT BLOCKS to school---BY MYSELF--and while it wasn't a dangerous neighborhood, it was a city and I had to cross SEVEN city streets.
Twenty years later, my nephews were being driven to school --a block away.
Posted by: JoeF. at May 23, 2020 12:25 PM (CqE5x)

Yup....I know an idiot who drove his son, as in 18 year old male, to kollege and walked him to his dorm and helped him move all his shit in.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 23, 2020 12:37 PM (Z+IKu)

269 239

I see a lot of 'Thank you to all of the essential workers' signs on lawns. My job is deemed essential. I've been working at home for 10 weeks. You're welcome

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 23, 2020 12:29 PM

Hey, same here. Been working from my apartment living room since 03/16/20.

Are all "essential workers" deemed "heroes"? Do I get to put a sign in my window stating "A Hero Works Here!"?

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at May 23, 2020 12:37 PM (Do5/p)

270 >>Mine was a bitter, cruel authoritarian. It fucks you up pretty good. I've had to work really hard to repair that. So if you have kids, don't be a vicious shit to them. Yes, kids are resilient, but if you make it your mission in life to break them, you can.

That sucks but you're a free man in Florida now. Go do stupid stuff and have fun. You're in Florida, it's not like anyone will notice.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 23, 2020 12:38 PM (ZLI7S)

271 263
"Make the World Safe for F*cking".


Hmmm, catch-phrase needs work.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 23, 2020 12:29 PM (Qio/u)


It's for the children.
Posted by: Gonzo at May 23, 2020 12:35 PM (huk1K)
______

That is literally true.

Posted by: Eeyore at May 23, 2020 12:39 PM (ZbwAu)

272 Burt, I have always had situational awareness. Greatly improved when I was walking out of work at a restaurant at 1:30 in the am into an alley in HS.

Posted by: Infidel at May 23, 2020 12:39 PM (sNpqr)

273 That sucks but you're a free man in Florida now. Go do stupid stuff and have fun. You're in Florida, it's not like anyone will notice.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 23, 2020 12:38 PM (ZLI7S)

Heh. I rate this as true.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 23, 2020 12:40 PM (NWiLs)

274 AOP......aware of that. Used for respiratory issues for calves. Cousin has used it for 20+ years and we took some up for him four years ago. Just recently became prescription

Posted by: westminsterdogshow at May 23, 2020 12:40 PM (/UQ/R)

275 260 Heirloominati, I love the story of Major Major (who was actually Major Major Major Major once he was promoted by typo). Poor guy, trying to play basketball in disguise, and getting beat up instead of ignored.

Posted by: barbarausa at May 23, 2020 12:40 PM (W7IZQ)

276 Go do stupid stuff and have fun. You're in Florida, it's not like anyone will notice.
Posted by: JackStraw

---

Get naked! Eat a guy's face!

Posted by: RKae at May 23, 2020 12:41 PM (Tk204)

277 Stay safety.

Posted by: A Scold of Karens at May 23, 2020 12:41 PM (EgshT)

278 268 In 1967 when I was in kindergarten I walked EIGHT BLOCKS to school---BY MYSELF--and while it wasn't a dangerous neighborhood, it was a city and I had to cross SEVEN city streets.
Twenty years later, my nephews were being driven to school --a block away.
Posted by: JoeF. at May 23, 2020 12:25 PM (CqE5x)

Yup....I know an idiot who drove his son, as in 18 year old male, to kollege and walked him to his dorm and helped him move all his shit in.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 23, 2020 12:37 PM (Z+IKu)
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I walked farther, through Dayton, past guys with no legs, on a mechanics scooter, only to get beat by nuns for being late

Posted by: Menack at May 23, 2020 12:41 PM (buTO7)

279 Mine was a bitter, cruel authoritarian. It fucks you up pretty good. I've had to work really hard to repair that. So if you have kids, don't be a vicious shit to them. Yes, kids are resilient, but if you make it your mission in life to break them, you can.

That sucks but you're a free man in Florida now. Go do stupid stuff and have fun. You're in Florida, it's not like anyone will notice.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 23, 2020 12:38 PM (ZLI7S)

He is free physically. True.

Posted by: runner at May 23, 2020 12:41 PM (zr5Kq)

280 I tend to be an overprotective mom and it has messed KTE, I think
although maybe its genetic too

Posted by: vmom Still Alive in These Tyrannical Times at May 23, 2020 12:41 PM (G546f)

281 Any other 29 year old moron eat raw ground beef back in the day? that's something no one would ever do today .

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 23, 2020 12:42 PM (2DOZq)

282 I walked farther, through Dayton, past guys with no legs, on a mechanics scooter, only to get beat by nuns for being late
Posted by: Menack at May 23, 2020 12:41 PM (buTO7)


Oh we used to DREAM of walking through Dayton, past guys with no legs, on a mechanics scooter, only to get beat by nuns for being late...

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 23, 2020 12:42 PM (NWiLs)

283 Stay Safeway.

Posted by: runner at May 23, 2020 12:42 PM (zr5Kq)

284 I always joke that today my dad would be suspected of trying to kill me.

I had my first shotgun when I was 8 and prior to that I had multiple BB and pellet guns. He let me go up in a friends biplane when I was 6. I had a Honda 70 when I was 11 and my HS graduation present was a Yamaha 400 Enduro. He let me drive the car before I was a teen . Maybe he was trying to kill me?
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 23, 2020 12:32 PM (2DOZq)


My dad was one of those guys who would have a beer in the fridge.

A beer.

He would take it out, pop the top, sip on it. If I'm sitting there watching him, he'd say "you want to try it?" I would. Take a sip, get that face kids get when they taste alcohol...

Never occurred to me when I grew up to be guzzling beers or downing other booze on a regular basis.

I bet a lot of people who grow up to be drunks had parents who never let them touch the stuff.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 23, 2020 12:43 PM (hku12)

285 Insom, you're in Florida? Where?I've lived in New England my whole life but love the Keys. I'm committed to moving to DC area where my kids are for now but eventual destination is Florida.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 23, 2020 12:43 PM (QzF6i)

286 I believe Greta Thunberg is on the CNN panel along with Dr Lemon, wanting to make COVID -19 policy. Or mad at Trump because of opening up church's.

Posted by: Colin at May 23, 2020 12:43 PM (B4J5y)

287 He is free physically. True.
Posted by: runner at May 23, 2020 12:41 PM (zr5Kq)

It is a struggle. Can't lie. I've made enormous strides but I still feel the pull to one degree or another every day.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 23, 2020 12:43 PM (NWiLs)

288 {{{{Infidel}}}}

I too am tired of this heroes bullshit.......I have worked every day since the wuhan flu lockdown began.

Posted by: westminsterdogshow at May 23, 2020 12:43 PM (/UQ/R)

289 I think all our rock stars need to do a massive multi-celebrity cover version of the Safety Dance!

Posted by: RKae at May 23, 2020 12:43 PM (Tk204)

290
So passing by the local Beaumont Hospital on my way back from my grocery pick-up, I see the huge letters in front of the Hospital spelling out "Heroes Work Here!"

I've seen signs in people's front yard that say "A Hero Lives Here." I wonder if I should knock on their door and ask to see their Medal of Honor.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 23, 2020 12:44 PM (aKsyK)

291 285 Insom, you're in Florida? Where?I've lived in New England my whole life but love the Keys. I'm committed to moving to DC area where my kids are for now but eventual destination is Florida.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 23, 2020 12:43 PM (QzF6i)

I'm currently in west Orange County.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 23, 2020 12:44 PM (NWiLs)

292 Once the Karen's lose their jobs or their husbands do and the
unemployment runs out and they can't pay bills or put food on the table
and there is a real risk of them being homeless then they MIGHT start
getting it...maybe.





I've been thinking the same thing about the Karens. If their husbands lose their jobs how lock down happy they will be. Unless they are all married to government slugs

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 23, 2020 12:45 PM (Ty/7D)

293 Or mad at Trump because of opening up church's.
Posted by: Colin

"Churches."

"Church's" is a fried chicken place. It's already open.

Posted by: RKae at May 23, 2020 12:45 PM (Tk204)

294 I too am tired of this heroes bullshit.......I have worked every day since the wuhan flu lockdown began.
Posted by: {{{westminsterdogshow}}}

Me too. This is all just bullshit.

Posted by: Infidel at May 23, 2020 12:45 PM (sNpqr)

295 There is a Home Depot in Key West, and lots of other chain restaurants.But it is a rather long drive back to the mainland.

Posted by: Colin at May 23, 2020 12:46 PM (B4J5y)

296 I've seen signs in people's front yard that say "A Hero Lives Here." I wonder if I should knock on their door and ask to see their Medal of Honor.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.

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Or their cape and utility belt.

...A power ring would be cool.

...Aerodynamic vibranium shield perhaps?

Posted by: RKae at May 23, 2020 12:46 PM (Tk204)

297 >>He is free physically. True.

You can't spend your life looking backwards or you will never get anywhere.

We've all had setbacks and things to overcome in our lives. Some more than others but everyone has stuff.

Al said it nicely.

https://tinyurl.com/ycfgt4e6

Posted by: JackStraw at May 23, 2020 12:47 PM (ZLI7S)

298 Church's" is a fried chicken place. It's already open.


So sorry, but that was the choice my spell checker gave me, I know I'm dumb, but live with it!

Posted by: Colin at May 23, 2020 12:47 PM (B4J5y)

299 I too am tired of this heroes bullshit.......I have worked every day since the wuhan flu lockdown began.
Posted by: {{{westminsterdogshow}}}

Me too. This is all just bullshit.
Posted by: Infidel

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Like everything in this madness...

Everything.

Every.

Thing.

...it's emotionally based, and all about crowd hypnosis.

Posted by: RKae at May 23, 2020 12:48 PM (Tk204)

300 Posted by: RKae at May 23, 2020 12:46 PM (Tk204)

Its all part of the slide to mediocrity.

When everyone is a Hero?

There is no celebrating ACTUAL heroic actions.

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 23, 2020 12:48 PM (NgKpN)

301 I'm getting more free by the day. But it's a hell of a lot of work.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 23, 2020 12:48 PM (NWiLs)

302 When everyone's a hero, nobody is.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 23, 2020 12:49 PM (NWiLs)

303 I met the yellow painted footprints 36 years ago yesterday.
Posted by: eastofsuez at May 23, 2020


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I'm guessing that was at a military induction center? I never served, so I don't know.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 23, 2020 12:49 PM (rpbg1)

304 CNN believes that it has credibility to burn.

Posted by: klaftern at May 23, 2020 12:49 PM (RuIsu)

305 I especially bristle at the "Wu Hero" theme on a Memorial Day weekend.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 23, 2020 12:49 PM (EgshT)

306 303 I met the yellow painted footprints 36 years ago yesterday.
Posted by: eastofsuez at May 23, 2020

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I'm guessing that was at a military induction center? I never served, so I don't know.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 23, 2020 12:49 PM (rpbg1)

Boarding area at Space Mountain.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 23, 2020 12:50 PM (NWiLs)

307 Al said it nicely.

https://tinyurl.com/ycfgt4e6
Posted by: JackStraw

Damn. I thought it was going to be a link to Al Stewart doing "Time Passages."

"The things you lean on are things that don't last."

Posted by: RKae at May 23, 2020 12:50 PM (Tk204)

308 The message that people have stuck in their heads is getting the virus is an automatic death sentence and people are afraid of dying... that is so sad.

Posted by: lin-duh en fugue at May 23, 2020 12:37 PM

I don't know who is to blame for this...

Is it the responsibility of the government (President?) or media to keep us all informed of the facts?

Or is it the responsibility of each individual citizen to research and inform themselves of the facts?

On the one hand, I could argue that if the message people have in their heads is that this virus is a death sentence, then the President is not communicating well enough to people to make them understand this is not the case.

On the other hand, I go to the Michigan coronavirus website and run the numbers they provide and find out for myself that the "death rate" (deaths / cases) is 4% or less for every age demographic under 60 years old.

And then I go further and find that the "death rate" for even the worst age demographic (80+) is still only 35%.

Which means 65% of people in that demographic are not dying.

So definitely not a guaranteed death sentence if one gets it.

But whose responsibility is it to get these numbers out to the general public so it is well known?

President? Media? Each individual citizen?

I don't know that answer for the general population. I only know that, for me, I always do my own research to get informed on an issue or current event.

The frustration for me is always when I know I have certain information publicly available to everyone, but no one is reporting it (not the media, not politicians, etc.) So I feel completely helpless when I am sharing this information and then people just reply with "but that's not what they're saying on the media!" or "but that's not what Trump and his task force said!"

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at May 23, 2020 12:50 PM (Do5/p)

309 It is a struggle. Can't lie. I've made enormous strides but I still feel the pull to one degree or another every day.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 23, 2020 12:43 PM (NWiLs)

Many people don't see (small, sometimes huge) miracles in their everyday lives. Attribute everything to themselves. I think those are the most miserable, because every failure is absorbed not as a lesson and a challenge on a path to something better (like a ball in a pinball machine) but as a personal failure. But, when one realizes that it could have gone a million ways, but it went your way and it is a miracle, life becomes a bit brighter.

Posted by: runner at May 23, 2020 12:50 PM (zr5Kq)

310 Mine was a bitter, cruel authoritarian. It fucks you up pretty good. I've had to work really hard to repair that. So if you have kids, don't be a vicious shit to them. Yes, kids are resilient, but if you make it your mission in life to break them, you can.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 23, 2020 12:33 PM (NWiLs)


Should be patently obvious, but evidently it's not, the one thing your kids need to learn is that you love them.

They need to be reassured consistently.

So you CAN be a parent who is overprotective, or one who basically lets kids do what they want as long as it isn't TOO dangerous, but whichever side of that spectrum you slide on, the one constant has to be that basic message. You care about them, you love them, you want to them to grow up and be decent human beings.

If you do that, your kids will thrive.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 23, 2020 12:50 PM (hku12)

311 Street skiing w/JP Auclaire.
Drop it in, turn it up. Music by LCD Sound System, and probably some of the best videography I've ever seen:
https://tinyurl.com/y88gnpgw

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 23, 2020 12:50 PM (7Fj9P)

312 Speaking of risk, I'd live in Key West if I could build a hurricane proof concrete dome house. It's not the actual hurricane that bothers me but always having the constant worry of all your stuff being in danger of being lost . Because a hurricane is going to happen.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 23, 2020 12:50 PM (2DOZq)

313 I hadn't touched a human being since about a month ago when I ran in to the cook from the dive bar and he told me about the limited hours they're open for takeout.

They're open briefly three days a week and I go once or twice and leave $21 on an $11 hamburger because things.

Thursday the hot bartendress was back. The four people in the bar were not wearing masks, and she asked me if I wanted a hug. I got to hug the hot girl.

Hugged her again on the way out.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 23, 2020 12:50 PM (gd9RK)

314 The smell of that shit alone makes me want to puke.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 23, 2020 12:24 PM (NWiLs)


The trick is not to smell it before you drink it. Dontcha know nothing?

Posted by: Traveling Man Who's Stuck At Home&&&& at May 23, 2020 12:51 PM (dW/NJ)

315 *shook hands with the cook was supposed to be in that story.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 23, 2020 12:51 PM (gd9RK)

316 Of course there is a Homey Depot in Key West, who else is going to sell plywood during hurricane season?

Posted by: Skip at May 23, 2020 12:51 PM (ZCEU2)

317 A little more on that later. I think this video about putting safety
first during the time of the Chinese Virus is fascinating:



Wasn't Safety First a Harold Lloyd movie?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 23, 2020 12:52 PM (Ty/7D)

318 Yay!!!

I got a haircut.

My unruly leonine mane has been pared down to something vaguely resembling a 1980's Schwarzenegger do.

Eh, I said cut it short. I( have only myself to blame.


But,

I'll be back......once my hair grows out a bit.

Posted by: naturalfake at May 23, 2020 12:52 PM (z0XD8)

319 Hugging... such a simple thing.

Posted by: runner at May 23, 2020 12:52 PM (zr5Kq)

320 Raining again

Posted by: Skip at May 23, 2020 12:52 PM (ZCEU2)

321 Many people don't see (small, sometimes huge) miracles in their everyday lives. Attribute everything to themselves. I think those are the most miserable, because every failure is absorbed not as a lesson and a challenge on a path to something better (like a ball in a pinball machine) but as a personal failure. But, when one realizes that it could have gone a million ways, but it went your way and it is a miracle, life becomes a bit brighter.
Posted by: runner at May 23, 2020 12:50 PM (zr5Kq)

There's a lot of wisdom in that.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 23, 2020 12:54 PM (NWiLs)

322 *shook hands with the cook was supposed to be in that story.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 23, 2020 12:51 PM (gd9RK)


Shook hands with the cook...check urban dictionary...oh....

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 23, 2020 12:54 PM (Ty/7D)

323 've seen signs in people's front yard that say "A Hero Lives Here." I wonder if I should knock on their door and ask to see their Medal of Honor.


I fireman who probably not opposed to stealing from the scene. They are the most vocal about their heroism.

Posted by: runner at May 23, 2020 12:54 PM (zr5Kq)

324 I am also at the loss of the virus magic, so if I stand on a 6 foot prison circle at the store and then move forward to the next prison circle, aren't I breathing the same air of the previous person who just left? If the answer is no, then the virus dies in the time it takes me to walk 6 feet.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 23, 2020


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Exactly. And if you're walking in the park, staying 6+ feet behind someone else, but the breeze is from him to you: If this thing is so easily transmittable by air, wouldn't it swim right down the wind to you?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 23, 2020 12:54 PM (rpbg1)

325 296 I've seen signs in people's front yard that say "A Hero Lives Here." I wonder if I should knock on their door and ask to see their Medal of Honor.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.

Maybe the house is home to a sandwich.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at May 23, 2020 12:54 PM (Uu+Jp)

326 It was an important hug. I live in Jersey, Jersey is asshoe.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 23, 2020 12:54 PM (gd9RK)

327 There's a lot of wisdom in that.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 23, 2020 12:54 PM (NWiLs)



I am a legend you know...

Posted by: runner at May 23, 2020 12:55 PM (zr5Kq)

328 325 296 I've seen signs in people's front yard that say "A Hero Lives Here." I wonder if I should knock on their door and ask to see their Medal of Honor.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.

Maybe the house is home to a sandwich.
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at May 23, 2020 12:54 PM (Uu+Jp)

Hoagie's Heros

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 23, 2020 12:55 PM (NWiLs)

329 275 260 Heirloominati, I love the story of Major Major (who was actually Major Major Major Major once he was promoted by typo). Poor guy, trying to play basketball in disguise, and getting beat up instead of ignored.

Posted by: barbarausa at May 23, 2020 12:40 PM (W7IZQ)

Heh.
Forgot about his promotion. May have to dig that old copy to read again.
I have employed the mediocrity quote many times, many times to blank stares.
It is also where I first learned about global supply chains & logistics. LOL

Posted by: Heirloominati, proud member of Milo's Syndicate at May 23, 2020 12:56 PM (rqgqe)

330 When everyone's a hero, nobody is.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo


There is much wisdom in The Incredibles. I always felt it was a movie more aimed at adults than at kids.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 23, 2020 12:56 PM (Qio/u)

331 Hugged her again on the way out.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 23, 2020 12:50 PM (gd9RK)


Thanks for killing us all you selfish bastard!

Posted by: blaster at May 23, 2020 12:56 PM (ZfRYq)

332 Another example in the ongoing series imagine if we had an actual free press.

@ChanelRion

Joe Biden formally named in criminal case in Ukraine.

Watch this case unfold.

High Treason for Ukrainian officials... Foreign interference for Biden and Kerry.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 23, 2020 12:57 PM (ZLI7S)

333 No Hero Lives Here. Hate Took His Room.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 23, 2020 12:57 PM (2DOZq)

334 Another example in the ongoing series imagine if we had an actual free press.



Thank goodness for internets, blogs and whoever invented the internets....

Posted by: runner at May 23, 2020 12:58 PM (zr5Kq)

335 Thank goodness for internets, blogs and whoever invented the internets....
Posted by: runner at May 23, 2020 12:58 PM (zr5Kq)


You're welcome.

Posted by: Al Gore at May 23, 2020 12:59 PM (NWiLs)

336 Runner, Bandersnatch you get it. I live in Mass and hugs here are against the law. This is why I am trying to get a massage. lol

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 23, 2020 12:59 PM (QzF6i)

337 I bet a lot of people who grow up to be drunks had parents who never let them touch the stuff.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 23, 2020


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Supposedly the French, who (including their kids) apparently have wine with every meal, have a much lower incidence of alcoholism.

My parents would let me have a very weak highball at Christmas and New Year's, and at Mardi Gras. It was hardly a forbidden substance. Yet I wound up in AA. So you never know.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 23, 2020 01:00 PM (rpbg1)

338 And Clyde, you were stating the "case fatality rate" - deaths/tested positive cases. Infection fatality rate - deaths/total number of infected (estimated, always) is of course much much lower.

Overall, a guy who I am guessing is a forensic scientist/statistician playing epidemiolgist on the twatters (EthicalSkeptic), weeks ago came up with 0.26 for the latter rate (IFR) ..... and this week the CDC posted a study coming up with .... the exact same number.

Going to both of your questions, Clyde. "Official" sources and authorities on this have been getting corrected, punked, owned, etc on key matters from the start by outsiders, unofficial experts, amateurs applying relevant expertise.

But your second point - the public doesn't know, because there is no press - stands out and is obviously a disaster.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 23, 2020 01:00 PM (El6T/)

339 There is much wisdom in The Incredibles. I always felt it was a movie more aimed at adults than at kids.
Posted by: Sharkman at May 23, 2020


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Wisdom, excitement and action, imagination, and great music.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 23, 2020 01:01 PM (rpbg1)

340 Adam Housley @adamhousley
59m
Before I left Fox, I was told the agencies...depending on which one..."have someone at every major news outlet." Either on payroll by choice, or not. Makes sense whether you agree or not. It wasn't a surprise to me, but a surprise that someone admitted it to me.

Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at May 23, 2020 01:01 PM (kAKCm)

341 Of course there is a Homey Depot in Key West, who else is going to sell plywood during hurricane season?
Posted by: Skip at May 23, 2020 12:51 PM (ZCEU2)


Yes, and one on Marathon Key. We deliver Christmas trees to both every year. I hate that drive and sluff it off to someone else. It's over 3 hrs from Miami.

Posted by: Traveling Man Who's Stuck At Home&&&& at May 23, 2020 01:01 PM (dW/NJ)

342 sharon, I bet pot dispensaries are open in MA

Posted by: runner at May 23, 2020 01:01 PM (zr5Kq)

343 Yes, and one on Marathon Key. We deliver Christmas trees to both every year. I hate that drive and sluff it off to someone else. It's over 3 hrs from Miami.
Posted by: Traveling Man Who's Stuck At Home&&&& at May 23, 2020 01:01 PM (dW/NJ)

It's a long-ass drive through the Keys.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 23, 2020 01:02 PM (NWiLs)

344 317 Quiet

I think it was "Safety Last," just going from memory.

Posted by: mnw at May 23, 2020 01:03 PM (Cssks)

345 Yet another celebrity-athlete has the Wu. Patrick Ewing.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 23, 2020 01:03 PM (EgshT)

346 Supposedly the French, who (including their kids) apparently have wine with every meal, have a much lower incidence of alcoholism.

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Hard to judge that stat from a country that doesn't really get around to calling anyone an alcoholic, because they all just friggin' drink all the time.

Posted by: RKae at May 23, 2020 01:03 PM (Tk204)

347 262

Clyde, I've been thinking for about a month now that nurses / healthcare workers are being elevated to "teacher! (cue sounds of angelic choir and trumpet fanfare, while a legion of heavenly warriors draws swords in their perpetual lionized defense)" status.

And I think it is part of the push to use this to nationalize government healthcare if the dems win.

Now Nurses! are just like Teachers! in some eyes, and we all know teachers are sacred, and the schools deserve every penny they demand.

Posted by: barbarausa at May 23, 2020 12:35 PM

Yep, good points.

I should say that I don't have too much of an issue if people in general want to admire nurses and doctors (or teachers for that matter) as heroes. Though I wouldn't go that far to call them heroes, since they are just doing the jobs they studied and trained and signed up for.

But, people see things differently. If I had a family member dying of COVID-19 and a specific nurse or doctor worked around the clock and eventually saved the life of that family member. I would personally consider that nurse or doctor my hero for their actions.

But what just rubs me the wrong way is hospitals not only declaring themselves heroes, but advertising and bragging about it.

Like I said, you *never* see military members going around calling themselves heroes or military bases putting up signs saying "Heroes train and work here!"

And even when we honor military heroes with ceremonies at sporting events or with mentions at award shows or with giving them medals, you still do not see military members milking the attention for all its worth.

A big part of the reason we generally respect and honor military members as much as we do is because they are so humble about their actions and achievements.

I am seeing quite the opposite from this COVID-19 situation.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at May 23, 2020 01:03 PM (Do5/p)

348 Street skiing w/JP Auclaire.
Drop it in, turn it up. Music by LCD Sound System, and probably some of the best videography I've ever seen:
https://tinyurl.com/y88gnpgw

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin


Okay, he's crazy.

Also: AWESOME.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 23, 2020 01:03 PM (Qio/u)

349 I put most of the blame for the over blown disinformation squarely on the media!
They have caused all this panic and they continue to spread it, in fact they aggressively push it.

Posted by: lin-duh en fugue at May 23, 2020 01:04 PM (UUBmN)

350 >>> I bet a lot of people who grow up to be drunks had parents who never let them touch the stuff.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 23, 2020


Preacher's Daughter Syndrome.

Posted by: Turn Two at May 23, 2020 01:04 PM (2orlM)

351 342
sharon, I bet pot dispensaries are open in MA

Posted by: runner at May 23, 2020 01:01 PM (zr5Kq)
Oh, yes. And liquor stores. But not my gym which was my main source of sanity not to mention good health and where I could always see a smiling face and a person who knew my name and get a hug if I needed one.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 23, 2020 01:04 PM (QzF6i)

352 I think it was "Safety Last," just going from memory.

Posted by: mnw at May 23, 2020 01:03 PM (Cssks)


You are right. That was the famous hanging from the clock scene

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 23, 2020 01:04 PM (Ty/7D)

353 ABC News 27 Poll Wolf's handling of covid19 in PA
Approve: 11%
Disapprove: 89%
28,022 Responses

Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at May 23, 2020 01:05 PM (kAKCm)

354 345

Yet another celebrity-athlete has the Wu. Patrick Ewing.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 23, 2020 01:03 PM

I find it interesting that whenever there seems to be a feeling starting among the public that this whole thing is overblown, out pops a news story where some "celebrity" or popular athlete has it and "it's serious stuff, people, really serious, don't take this lightly, stay home, stay safe, etc blah blah etc".

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at May 23, 2020 01:05 PM (Do5/p)

355 You know who have taken risk taking to insane levels? Free climbers.

I like to take risks but they need therapy.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 23, 2020 01:06 PM (2DOZq)

356 "I fireman who probably not opposed to stealing from the scene. They are the most vocal about their heroism."

I have never met a fireman who wasn't totally full of themselves. Wow, fire. Yeah that's just amazing.

Posted by: Chris M at May 23, 2020 01:06 PM (6XZdO)

357 I think it was "Safety Last," just going from memory.

Posted by: mnw

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That movie is just about to turn a century old, and it's still the funniest movie ever made.

Posted by: RKae at May 23, 2020 01:06 PM (Tk204)

358 Posted by: RKae at May 23, 2020 12:46 PM (Tk204)

Its all part of the slide to mediocrity.

When everyone is a Hero?

There is no celebrating ACTUAL heroic actions.
Posted by: Romeo13 at May 23, 2020 12:48 PM (NgKpN)

When everyone's a hero, nobody is.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 23, 2020 12:49 PM (NWiLs)


Maybe it depends on how one defines "hero."

Is a hero someone who does something extraordinary for others?

Is a hero someone who overcomes a substantial obstacle and completes their task?

If it's the former, then people with great skills or who find themselves in just the right circumstance can claim heroism where others can't. In other words, there are...what half a million or so nurses in this country? Doing their jobs? If there's that many, and they're all doing more or less the same thing, then it's not heroism by that measure.

If it's the latter, then NOBODY really knows who the heroes are. We can only guess. But the waitress who gets up at 5AM, after tucking her kids in bed, with whatever hardships they have, and she's dealing with a dying parent, and is struggling to make ends meet, and that deadbeat prick of a father to her children is not doing anything to help with the kids... And she gets up, goes to work, and has a warm genuine smile for everybody, well that's pretty darned heroic if you ask me.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 23, 2020 01:07 PM (hku12)

359 Yet another celebrity-athlete has the Wu. Patrick Ewing.

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Didn't he shoot J.R.?

Posted by: RKae at May 23, 2020 01:07 PM (Tk204)

360 >>Yes, and one on Marathon Key. We deliver Christmas trees to both every year. I hate that drive and sluff it off to someone else. It's over 3 hrs from Miami.

I've been to that Home Depot many times. My friends have a house about a mile away.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 23, 2020 01:07 PM (ZLI7S)

361 Posted by: Clyde Shelton at May 23, 2020 01:05 PM (D

I posted a few weeks ago that I was surprised at the relatively low number of famous people who died of the Spanish Flu worldwide. Wiki had a list of about 90 people. Most that I never heard of.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 23, 2020 01:08 PM (2DOZq)

362 329 heirloominati, I'm about due for a reread again.

I think we may be living in The Eternal City chapter too--that long walk back to the apartment in Rome, when Yossarian sees so many awful things.

The one that stuck with me was the young guy having the seizure, and the other soldier back in the crowd yelling "lay him out flat on the ground! Give him room!", then when everybody wrestled him down and spread him out, yelling "get him up on the hood of that jeep! Get him up off the ground!" and everyone would scurry to do that. Over and over.

Sort of like Ex-PFC Wintergreen digging holes and filling them up, by order.

Government anything, in a nutshell, it would seem

Posted by: barbarausa at May 23, 2020 01:08 PM (W7IZQ)

363 "I fireman who probably not opposed to stealing from the scene. They are the most vocal about their heroism."

I have never met a fireman who wasn't totally full of themselves. Wow, fire. Yeah that's just amazing.
Posted by: Chris M at May 23, 2020 01:06 PM (6XZdO)

Where I live they are the worst kind of asshoes, bullies and thugs.

Posted by: runner at May 23, 2020 01:08 PM (zr5Kq)

364 "Official" sources and authorities on this have
been getting corrected, punked, owned, etc on key matters from the start
by outsiders, unofficial experts, amateurs applying relevant expertise.



But your second point - the public doesn't know, because there is no press - stands out and is obviously a disaster.





Posted by: rhomboid at May 23, 2020 01:00 PM (El6T/)

There are also members of the public who refuse to believe that the "official" sources and authorities are ever wrong, so anyone who argues otherwise is spreading lies and misinformation. Oh, and they also will go by the word of the scientists, because science, regardless of the fact the scientists are flying by the seat of their collective pants re: CD-19.

Posted by: Vendette at May 23, 2020 01:08 PM (6j2Bg)

365 I find it interesting that whenever there seems to be a feeling starting
among the public that this whole thing is overblown, out pops a news
story where some "celebrity" or popular athlete has it and "it's serious
stuff, people, really serious, don't take this lightly, stay home, stay
safe, etc blah blah etc".


If it can happen to them, it is surely just waiting to happen to YOU!

Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 23, 2020 01:09 PM (EgshT)

366 How many Democrats have been put on the spot and asked to defend or deny their candidate's comment? Oh..... none? The hell you say.

Posted by: ... at May 23, 2020 01:09 PM (uEbPt)

367 I fireman who probably not opposed to stealing from the scene. They are the most vocal about their heroism."

I have never met a fireman who wasn't totally full of themselves. Wow, fire. Yeah that's just amazing.
Posted by: Chris M at May 23, 2020 01:06 PM (6XZdO)

Where I live they are the worst kind of asshoes, bullies and thugs.
Posted by: runner at May 23, 2020 01:08 PM (zr5Kq)



The worship they got following 9/11 went to their heads, but to be honest a lot of them were full of themselves before that. Not all of them though.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 23, 2020 01:10 PM (CqE5x)

368 Yet another celebrity-athlete has the Wu. Patrick Ewing.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 23, 2020 01:03 PM (EgshT)


Never met the guy. Won't be meeting him anytime soon.

Don't care.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 23, 2020 01:10 PM (hku12)

369 Biden already apologized sort of about what he said. His people found a nice formula.

Posted by: runner at May 23, 2020 01:10 PM (zr5Kq)

370 338

Going to both of your questions, Clyde. "Official" sources and authorities on this have been getting corrected, punked, owned, etc on key matters from the start by outsiders, unofficial experts, amateurs applying relevant expertise.

But your second point - the public doesn't know, because there is no press - stands out and is obviously a disaster.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 23, 2020 01:00 PM

But when the press fails at their job, where does the responsibility fall to make sure the public is informed?

We live in a world now where we do not need to rely on the press for information dissemination.

I think President Trump knows this as well. Which is why I feel like this COVID-19 situation is like the Bush 43 years with the WMD and Operation Iraqi Freedom.

For years, the press lied about the intel and lied about the success we were having in the war effort. And Bush 43 did zippo to correct the narrative or defend himself. He left everything up to bloggers and pundits.

It feels like a similar situation now. If you and I can find this information and some guy on Twitter can create that great chart, then President Trump and his people must know this shit too.

So why are they not disseminating the info and leaving everything up to us, just like Bush 43 did?

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at May 23, 2020 01:11 PM (Do5/p)

371 The worship they got following 9/11 went to their heads, but to be honest a lot of them were full of themselves before that. Not all of them though.
Posted by: JoeF. at May 23, 2020 01:10 PM (CqE5x)


Yep.

Posted by: runner at May 23, 2020 01:11 PM (zr5Kq)

372 Okay, going to go for a walk, Overcast and breezy today so good day for it. Actually, at this point, every day is a good day for a walk regardless of the weather as it is the only activity allowed int he gulag.


Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 23, 2020 01:11 PM (QzF6i)

373 Just had lunch at a neighborhood bar. Not a mask in sight. It was marvelous.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at May 23, 2020 01:11 PM (Yzabt)

374 347, Clyde, my daughter is a nurse, and in many cases an angel and heroic to those she cares for, and to their families.

I am just wary of the blanket lionization, when coupled with the push for medicare for all.

I love some teachers too, and some are indeed heroic.

The teachers unions and school budgeting? not so much

Posted by: barbarausa at May 23, 2020 01:12 PM (W7IZQ)

375 A hero is not somebody just doing their job. A hero is someone who goes above and beyond what is expected of them knowing that it will very likely lead to negative consequences.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 23, 2020 01:12 PM (2DOZq)

376 I work in downtown Seattle and for 20 years my daily 50 minute one-way commute is in a large bus jam-packed full of "diverse" tech workers...up until mid-March. From November to March I rode butts to nuts with coughing, hacking, sneezing unmasked Chinese and South East Asian workers. I am post-29 and have not experienced so much as a sniffle from November to now.

I know of one person who has passed away (68 years old), and one person (70 years old, poor health, diabetes) who was treated for Bat flu. That's it.

Posted by: fly gal at May 23, 2020 01:12 PM (6CtMt)

377 Have to give it to my Emperor he closed the bars and liquor stores, regular prohibitionist he is.

Posted by: Skip at May 23, 2020 01:12 PM (ZCEU2)

378 It's just "unseemly"---to use one of Romney's favorite words-- for people in any profession to shill for themselves or attempt to cover themselves in glory.

Everyone has a job to do. Do it and shut the fuck up.
You already get paid.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 23, 2020 01:12 PM (CqE5x)

379 A hero is someone who does not talk about his heroism.

Posted by: runner at May 23, 2020 01:12 PM (zr5Kq)

380 364

There are also members of the public who refuse to believe that the "official" sources and authorities are ever wrong, so anyone who argues otherwise is spreading lies and misinformation. Oh, and they also will go by the word of the scientists, because science, regardless of the fact the scientists are flying by the seat of their collective pants re: CD-19.

Posted by: Vendette at May 23, 2020 01:08 PM

Not to mention, if anyone --- even other doctors and scientists who are not part of the "official sources"
--- tries to disseminate information countering the narrative from the "official sources", social media is censoring or banning the information.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at May 23, 2020 01:13 PM (Do5/p)

381 Posted by: rhomboid at May 23, 2020 01:00 PM (El6T/)

There are also members of the public who refuse to believe that the "official" sources and authorities are ever wrong, so anyone who argues otherwise is spreading lies and misinformation. Oh, and they also will go by the word of the scientists, because science, regardless of the fact the scientists are flying by the seat of their collective pants re: CD-19.
Posted by: Vendette at May 23, 2020 01:08 PM (6j2Bg)


You know, among all the other things that start to be worth question, I'm not sure I understand WHY there are no images of the plane supposedly hitting the Pentagon.

How is that possible?

Posted by: BurtTC at May 23, 2020 01:14 PM (hku12)

382 A hero is a man who fundamentally transforms his country.

Posted by: Baracky O'Cracky at May 23, 2020 01:14 PM (EgshT)

383 I've been to that Home Depot many times. My friends have a house about a mile away.


Do they ask you to fix the screen door or the plumbing every time you visit?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 23, 2020 01:15 PM (gd9RK)

384 Oh, how could I have not recognized this risky hook for a webwork until now? Willowed, but anyway...

Risk

1.
There's a certain risk involved
in almost everything you do.
There's danger in the course you take
and the one that you eschew.

There's a certain risk involved
in almost every breath you take,
So no matter what you do
it's going to look like a mistake....

lyrics, chords
mindfulwebworks.com/tales/risk

me trying to sing it - an exercise in self-humiliation
(talk about risk, watch at your own)
(should cue to 15:54 in the video)
youtube.com/watch?v=ePFWvEI1gFc&t=954s

Posted by: mindful webworker - Okie by birth and choice
at May 23, 2020 01:15 PM (bd376)

385 379

A hero is someone who does not talk about his heroism.

Posted by: runner at May 23, 2020 01:12 PM

The first rule of heroism is... you don't talk about heroism.

The second rule of heroism is... you don't. talk. about. heroism.

Posted by: Tyler Durden at May 23, 2020 01:15 PM (Do5/p)

386 Two of my uncles were NYC firemen. I don't think they were full of themselves because they were firemen. One did though have the typical brash NY attitude . Similar to Trump.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 23, 2020 01:16 PM (2DOZq)

387 Vendette, this is included in what I call the "dumbing down" of the society and culture. Meant literally, in this case.

There being essentially no press, in the sense of an independent entity with varying tendencies to question almost anything, is key.

But the performance of the actual responsible specialists, and the political powers who have (seemingly without doing any thinking of their own) relied on them, has been disastrous since the earliest panic proved unwarranted.

And I don't see even a hint of accountability or push-back or correction, at any level, nor the prospect of it.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 23, 2020 01:16 PM (El6T/)

388 378

It's just "unseemly" --- to use one of Romney's favorite words -- for people in any profession to shill for themselves or attempt to cover themselves in glory.

Everyone has a job to do. Do it and shut the fuck up.
You already get paid.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 23, 2020 01:12 PM

THIS.

What I was trying to say. You said it much better.

Posted by: Tyler Durden at May 23, 2020 01:16 PM (Do5/p)

389 You know, among all the other things that start to be worth question, I'm not sure I understand WHY there are no images of the plane supposedly hitting the Pentagon.

How is that possible?
Posted by: BurtTC

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Plane going really fast, and camera that clicks off pictures at intervals.

It wasn't great video surveillance back then.

And not everyone had a camera. But there were ga-zillions of witnesses in rush hour traffic that saw it go right over their heads, clip a streetlight and go into the building.

Posted by: RKae at May 23, 2020 01:17 PM (Tk204)

390 "It. It makes absolutely no sense but it is keeping people isolated in ways that is particularly harmful. Grandparents who can;t hold a new baby and kids that can't play together and people like me, who live alone who can;t get a hug from a friend or even see the clerk at the store smile."
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 23, 2020 11:53 AM (QzF6i)
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People are being robbed of the sensation of touch, a very crucial need. Fauci decreed no more handshakes. I guess he wants us all to bow like the Chinese obsequiously, looking at the ground instead of looking one another in the eye and gauging honor by hand grip. It's a soul-less way to live.

Posted by: fly gal at May 23, 2020 01:17 PM (6CtMt)

391 Fixed and cleaned the gutters and finally got my Vic-20 to boot cartridges. Time for a nap.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 23, 2020 01:18 PM (oVJmc)

392 Biden already apologized sort of about what he said. His people found a nice formula.
Posted by: runner at May 23, 2020 01:10 PM (zr5Kq)


Simple formula to keep in mind, not sure if it applies here or not: If you don't see/hear the words coming out of Biden's mouth, then he didn't say it.

His wranglers can try to clean it up all they want, but until Biden gets in front of a camera, with someone at least sorta kinda questioning him on it, his statement stands.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 23, 2020 01:19 PM (hku12)

393 You can never avoid risk. Brother worked in a very risk free occupation. Fireman on a railroad. Died at 27 in the middle of nowhere in a freak accident. Live life and enjoy it when you can.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at May 23, 2020 01:19 PM (Yzabt)

394 A hero stays inside the lines when coloring.

Posted by: Gropin' Uncle Joe Biden at May 23, 2020 01:19 PM (EgshT)

395 Two more words ruined by the Left:

Stunning

Brave

Posted by: ... at May 23, 2020 01:21 PM (t+mAj)

396 You know, among all the other things that start to be worth question, I'm not sure I understand WHY there are no images of the plane supposedly hitting the Pentagon.

How is that possible?
Posted by: BurtTC

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Plane going really fast, and camera that clicks off pictures at intervals.

It wasn't great video surveillance back then.

And not everyone had a camera. But there were ga-zillions of witnesses in rush hour traffic that saw it go right over their heads, clip a streetlight and go into the building.

Posted by: RKae at May 23, 2020 01:17 PM (Tk204)


It was 2001, not 1901. Are you telling me there's not video surveillance cameras all around that building?

When I walk into a Toys-R-Us or Circuit City or Blockbuster Video in 1990, there are cameras all over the place, inside and out.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 23, 2020 01:21 PM (hku12)

397 Plane going really fast, and camera that clicks off pictures at intervals.

It wasn't great video surveillance back then.

And not everyone had a camera. But there were ga-zillions of witnesses in rush hour traffic that saw it go right over their heads, clip a streetlight and go into the building.

Posted by: RKae at May 23, 2020 01:17 PM (Tk204)


There is footage. Not sure what this conspiracy is about, but...seriously ???

Posted by: runner at May 23, 2020 01:21 PM (zr5Kq)

398 >>Do they ask you to fix the screen door or the plumbing every time you visit?

They use the place primarily as a rental until they retire. We fix stuff all the time. Least I can do for a free house vacation in the Keys.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 23, 2020 01:22 PM (ZLI7S)

399
It was 2001, not 1901. Are you telling me there's not video surveillance cameras all around that building?


How long is a plane going 500 mph going to be in shot of a camera that is probably taking 2 frames/sec.?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 23, 2020 01:24 PM (oVJmc)

400 There's video of the plane hitting the Pentagon. And I played hockey with two guys who saw it as it screamed low over the area before hitting - one guy owned a bar (trying to remember exactly where) and was there overseeing a big booze delivery when it flew right over head.

Don't know about Vendette, but I think she was, and I know I was, talking about analysis and policy about facts, not facts per se.

Though the fatality #s, always doomed to be messy because cause of death has unavoidably been messy forever in many cases, have been handled poorly. The "liberal treatment" of same explicitly announced by Birx was incredibly stupid, from every angle. CDC has has had a "COVID only" column in their death data table since the start.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 23, 2020 01:24 PM (El6T/)

401 People are being robbed of the sensation of touch, a
very crucial need. Fauci decreed no more handshakes. I guess he wants
us all to bow like the Chinese obsequiously, looking at the ground
instead of looking one another in the eye and gauging honor by hand
grip. It's a soul-less way to live.

Posted by: fly gal at May 23, 2020 01:17 PM (6CtMt)

I like to point out a bunch of stuff that no one really seems to care about. But I do it anyway. Chief among them is that weird DNC they ran in 2016 with all the silver/grey covering everything. If you look up pictures you will see red white and blue lights and some flags. But the majority of the production that was broadcast was actually this weird sexless, soulless "decor" (term loosely used).

It was space age (?), so I guess they were trying to show that they were "winning the future". But I couldn't help but notice how utterly commie the whole thing was.

Despite all the Left's initial protestations about "free love", the *real* Left is a society where there is no life or sex at all. I mean both things happen, but only on the sly and all subservient to the end goal - the worshiping of Dear Leader and The Collective.

Posted by: ... at May 23, 2020 01:26 PM (t+mAj)

402 The worship they got following 9/11 went to their heads, but to be honest a lot of them were full of themselves before that. Not all of them though.
Posted by: JoeF. at May 23, 2020 01:10 PM (CqE5x)

Yup.....I especially like the ahole with the maltese cross, I "heart" BlahBlahFD and the medical snake thingee stickers all over his pick up as he cuts me off in traffic and drives thru a red light left turn into wally world only to park and go shopping.

Heroes!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 23, 2020 01:26 PM (Z+IKu)

403 A hero shuns a spoon when eating paste.

Posted by: Gropin' Uncle Joe Biden at May 23, 2020 01:26 PM (EgshT)

404 It was 2001, not 1901. Are you telling me there's not video surveillance cameras all around that building?

When I walk into a Toys-R-Us or Circuit City or Blockbuster Video in 1990, there are cameras all over the place, inside and out.
Posted by: BurtTC

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OK, how's this?

Any "it wasn't a plane that hit the Pentagon" theory can only be absurd bullshit.

What? They hijacked a plane full of people, took it somewhere, killed the people, disposed of the bodies, dismantled the plane, then fired a missile at the building?

Genius.

If you have the plane, run it into the building.

Sheesh.

What the hell kind of evil plan has that many moving parts?

Posted by: RKae at May 23, 2020 01:28 PM (Tk204)

405 Don't know about Vendette, but I think she was, and I
know I was, talking about analysis and policy about facts, not facts
per se.



Though the fatality #s, always doomed to be messy because cause of
death has unavoidably been messy forever in many cases, have been
handled poorly. The "liberal treatment" of same explicitly announced by
Birx was incredibly stupid, from every angle. CDC has has had a "COVID
only" column in their death data table since the start.



Posted by: rhomboid at May 23, 2020 01:24 PM (El6T/)

Besides that, there is also the issue that the "facts" keep changing. For example, getting WuFlu from touching surfaces is no longer the huge danger it was considered to be.

Posted by: Vendette at May 23, 2020 01:29 PM (6j2Bg)

406
A hero is someone who does not talk about his heroism.
Posted by: runner at May 23, 2020 01:12 PM (zr5Kq)









One thing that I've noticed among veterans is that the stories that they volunteer to tell you, whether you wanted them or not, are often bullshit. Especially if it shows them in the best possible light. Actual heroes or high-speed low-drag operators don't bore you with polishing their own knob in public.

The stories that you have to pull out of their past, kicking and screaming, or the stories that show them chuckling at themselves for doing something really stupid? Virtually all of them are true.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 23, 2020 01:29 PM (EGyGV)

407 Have to give it to my Emperor he closed the bars and liquor stores, regular prohibitionist he is.
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That's friggin' NUTS. So you can't buy alcohol at all, or do you have state stores to buy liquor? We'd riot if someone tried that in MO.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 23, 2020 01:30 PM (7Fj9P)

408 309

Many people don't see (small, sometimes huge) miracles in their everyday lives. Attribute everything to themselves. I think those are the most miserable, because every failure is absorbed not as a lesson and a challenge on a path to something better (like a ball in a pinball machine) but as a personal failure. But, when one realizes that it could have gone a million ways, but it went your way and it is a miracle, life becomes a bit brighter.

Posted by: runner at May 23, 2020 12:50 PM

Graham Hess: See, what you have to ask yourself is, what kind of person are you? Are you the kind who sees signs, sees miracles? Or do you believe that people just get lucky? Or look at the question this way... is it possible that there are no coincidences?

Merrill Hess: I was at this party once. I'm on the couch with Randa McKinney. She was just sitting there looking beautiful, staring at me. I go to lean in and kiss her... and I realize I have gum in my mouth. So I turn, take out the gum, stuff it in a paper cup next to the sofa, and turn around. Randa McKinney throws up all over herself. I knew the second it happened it was a miracle. I could have been kissing her when she threw up. That would have scarred me for life. I may never have recovered. I'm a miracle man.

Posted by: Signs at May 23, 2020 01:30 PM (Do5/p)

409 The way I read the bit about the high school student who "started" the 6-foot rule is that it was a science fair project that she was fed by her father. The CDC didn't pick it up from her. That notion has been bumping around for a long time but not really rigorously studied. They codified it as 3-feet in their 2017 paper on non-pharmaceutical measures for an influenza pandemic.

So she invented the 6-foot rule the same way that Achmed invented the clock radio by gutting a Radio Shack clock and putting it in a cigar box.

Posted by: Muldoon at May 23, 2020 01:31 PM (Fc5rx)

410 The comments cited by KT in the post about Biden's statement are correct, yet also miss a major point.

If black voters are taken for granted - or worse - well gee let's try to imagine why that is. The ugliness isn't just Biden's or his Dem structure, it's the reality of group-think and behavior - and racism - they rely on.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 23, 2020 01:33 PM (El6T/)

411 I believe in coincidences because I believe in math, but I also generally don't believe in coincidences. Many miracles are disguised as coincidences. I see God everywhere. There are clues and signs of God everywhere we look.

Was it a "coincidence" that a devout Christian falsely accused on the world stage by a pack of vicious evil angry majorly fucked-up lying hyenas, with an accuser that only presented a vague bare recollection of dates and times - actually owned and kept a book that detailed his whereabouts every day 35 years ago - that he started keeping when he was 12...?

Piss off.

Posted by: ... at May 23, 2020 01:35 PM (t+mAj)

412 309

Many people don't see (small, sometimes huge) miracles in their everyday lives. Attribute everything to themselves. I think those are the most miserable, because every failure is absorbed not as a lesson and a challenge on a path to something better (like a ball in a pinball machine) but as a personal failure. But, when one realizes that it could have gone a million ways, but it went your way and it is a miracle, life becomes a bit brighter.

Posted by: runner at May 23, 2020 12:50 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-agl0pOQfs

I seen a caterpillar turn into a butterfly
Miracles ain't nothing to lie
Shaggy's little boys look just like Shaggy
And my little boy looks just like daddy

Miracles each and every where you look
And nobody has to stay where they put
This world is yours for you to explore
There's nothing but miracles beyond your doors

The Dark Carnival is your invitation
To witness that without explanation
Take a look at this fine creation
And enjoy it better with appreciation

Crows, ghosts, the midnight coast
The wonders of the world, mysteries the most
Just open your mind, and it ain't no way
To ignore the miracles of every day (and that's real)

Posted by: Insane Clown Posse at May 23, 2020 01:35 PM (Do5/p)

413 Beer and wine can be bought at lots of grocery store, the hard liquor still can be gotten on line if your lucky then picked up curb side.
New rule if started yet is bars can sell take out liquor, no idea how that works or can.

Posted by: Skip at May 23, 2020 01:36 PM (ZCEU2)

414 353 ABC News 27 Poll Wolf's handling of covid19 in PA
Approve: 11%
Disapprove: 89%
28,022 Responses
Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at May 23, 2020 01:05 PM (kAKCm)
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I hesitate to believe ANY poll --- but if that one is even close to an accurate reflection of public opinion, it's very good news.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 23, 2020 01:39 PM (M/9m0)

415 Vendette I'd put the fomite (surface transmission) thing in the "new bug/don't know yet" category.

But overall I sense a dramatic failure by CDC to do its job, at every stage of this, even probably in following their *own* standing guidance on epidemic policies (quarantines not relevant when prevalence hits 1% or more, for one central disastrous example).

And the performance of the Trump team in all this, at least starting mid-April, cannot possibly be a good story, if only any of it were known, or likely to be known. I mean in the fundamentals, not the industrial/logistic response, which has been excellent.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 23, 2020 01:41 PM (El6T/)

416 It was 2001, not 1901. Are you telling me there's not video surveillance cameras all around that building?
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How long is a plane going 500 mph going to be in shot of a camera that is probably taking 2 frames/sec.?
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 23, 2020 01:24 PM (oVJmc)


So evidently, a quick perusal of the internet reveals there were two cameras that captured SOMETHING. Both lined up at an entrance gate/parking lot, on pillars on both sides of the the drive lane. The one pillar obscures the view from one camera, and the other camera is ONE that pillar!

So... the tail of the plane appears on the obscured camera, and the lined up time frame of the other should show the body of the plane.

It does not. It appears to have been doctored.

Why?

Posted by: BurtTC at May 23, 2020 01:42 PM (hku12)

417
The stories that you have to pull out of their past, kicking and screaming, or the stories that show them chuckling at themselves for doing something really stupid? Virtually all of them are true.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 23, 2020

The only person my grandpa told about his time in WWII and Korea were to his daughter in law. My mother. And they were few and far between.

Posted by: Infidel at May 23, 2020 01:43 PM (sNpqr)

418 Hopefully Emperor Wolf's plan to turn Pa into a Democrat mail in vote fraud success will fail.

Posted by: Skip at May 23, 2020 01:50 PM (ZCEU2)

419 Look fat, Joe Biden's got nothing on me.

Posted by: Joe Biden at May 23, 2020 01:53 PM (Eicbe)

420 It does not. It appears to have been doctored.



Why?

Posted by: BurtTC at May 23, 2020 01:42 PM (hku12)

Let me start by saying I'm open to all kinds of theories especially regarding malfeasance among our elite.

However... there are forensic ways of telling if an image has been digitally doctored.

These methods are available to the average person and have been for 15 years that I know about. The internet is vast and it has been two decades with no shortage of people wanting to demonstrate that these particular images have been tampered with ex post facto. Has anybody demonstrated it?

Posted by: ... at May 23, 2020 01:53 PM (t+mAj)

421 The stories that you have to pull out of their past, kicking and screaming, or the stories that show them chuckling at themselves for doing something really stupid? Virtually all of them are true.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 23, 2020

The only person my grandpa told about his time in WWII and Korea were to his daughter in law. My mother. And they were few and far between.
Posted by: Infidel at May 23, 2020 01:43 PM (sNpqr)


Many examples like that I am sure.

Posted by: runner at May 23, 2020 01:54 PM (zr5Kq)

422 Joe Biden can beat Joe Biden.

Colin "Bomber" Harris is not impressed.

Posted by: RKae at May 23, 2020 01:55 PM (Tk204)

423 remember that press conference that bitch did. She went rogue to deliberately fire torpedoes at the market and economy. That was the start of the fear mongering. She should be strung up next to Miguelito Fauci
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 23, 2020 12:12 PM (Ty/7D)


And in an off coincidence she ( and her brother) are hosting a fund raiser for Biden this weekend!

Posted by: Chillin the most at May 23, 2020 01:57 PM (lonOK)

424 It does not. It appears to have been doctored.



Why?

Posted by: BurtTC at May 23, 2020 01:42 PM (hku12)

Let me start by saying I'm open to all kinds of theories especially regarding malfeasance among our elite.

---

In that same vein, when someone approaches me with any strange conspiracy tale, my immediate response is "OK, let's see what you got."

I don't trust this government or anyone even remotely "rich."

But, as I stated, there is no scenario where "it wasn't a plane that hit the Pentagon" that makes one smidgen of sense.

You don't steal a plane full of people, kill them, hide the plane, then hit a building with something else and claim it was the plane.

That's. Fucking. Stupid.

Posted by: RKae at May 23, 2020 01:59 PM (Tk204)

425 133 Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo

Sorry for the late reply. Chores.

What you outlined is a great story of hope and redemption.

Again, it is not about the cumulative happiness / cumulative unhappiness ration. The perennially correct and always happy people do not make great stories. A good life, maybe, but a poor story.

I say again, your path is one to trumpet. Others helped, but you made the difference. You.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 23, 2020 02:01 PM (u82oZ)

426 ...someone at the CDC who turned out to be ROD ROSENSTEIN'S sister
said that Trump was not "taking the virus seriously enough" or words to
that effect.

Then it was off to the races

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Honestly, how much of this recent madness is the result of a feminized society?

When we talk about how they never could've gotten away with this crap 50 or more years ago, are we really talking about the downfall of civilization because of the female crisis response being taken seriously?

Posted by: RKae at May 23, 2020 02:03 PM (Tk204)

427 Having a tail wreckage of an airplane appear out of nowhere would be the greatest magic trick ever.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 23, 2020 02:03 PM (2DOZq)

428 Having a tail wreckage of an airplane appear out of nowhere would be the greatest magic trick ever.
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here

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Along with making all the passengers disappear.

Posted by: RKae at May 23, 2020 02:04 PM (Tk204)

429 LOL.

That senile old wreck of a racist loser claimed yesterday that he had gotten the NAACP's endorsement... though the NAACP notably does NOT endorse candidates.

They had to formally state that he lied about it.

Or it came from his fevered imagination, because if they they worshipped his leg-hair down at the Aquatic Center after Mighty Bwana Joe vanquished their chief Corn Pop, then they MUST have endorsed him, right?

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 23, 2020 02:07 PM (h6CJG)

430 In Kalifornia there now is a 99.9908% survival rate from CCPCV19 flu and 99.773% of Kalifornians will never catch the CCP CV19 flu but we are still shutdown and most likely will be one of the last five states to reopen.
This makes total sense... NOT.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 23, 2020 02:09 PM (pw+jk)

431 Creepy Uncle Joe, I wonder if he ever told a truth in his life

Posted by: Skip at May 23, 2020 02:09 PM (ZCEU2)

432 If I can get a little clear weather going to kill the power and install that circuit breaker.

Posted by: Skip at May 23, 2020 02:10 PM (ZCEU2)

433 It's funny how the Karen's on NextDoor keep throwing "science" and "experts" out there. Try asking them about how many genders there are. Or are they now pro-vaccine when they were antvaxxers just a few short months ago.

Posted by: lin-duh en fugue at May 23, 2020 02:14 PM (UUBmN)

434 So evidently, a quick perusal of the internet reveals there were two cameras that captured SOMETHING. Both lined up at an entrance gate/parking lot, on pillars on both sides of the the drive lane. The one pillar obscures the view from one camera, and the other camera is ONE that pillar!

So... the tail of the plane appears on the obscured camera, and the lined up time frame of the other should show the body of the plane.

It does not. It appears to have been doctored.

Why?
Posted by: BurtTC at May 23, 2020 01:42 PM (hku12)

So, cameras set up specifically to monitor a possible assault on the building by way of the gate and front drive. On opposing pillars, and looking at each other.

Why would expect either one of them to catch more than a fleeting glimpse of an airplane passing above the gate at 500 mph? And they were probably using low frame-rate video, in a system installed years before 2001. Video surveillance systems tend to be installed, and then left in place forever, as long as they appear to be working. It's not a "sexy" thing for managers to upgrade. Witness all the truly shitty videos we see here of holdups, etc.

What would make me suspicious is a crystal-clear video of the airliner, approaching in slo-mo, with the N-number clearly visible, and the panicked faces of the doomed passengers pressed against the windows.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 23, 2020 02:14 PM (oBpoV)

435 Sharkman--you still online? I'm literally ten minutes away from you MiniMoMee? (I think if I go to the front desk and ask for Sharkman I *might* get arrested. Or looked at funny.)

Posted by: Sabrina Chase at May 23, 2020 02:17 PM (exg7Q)

436 Sabrina-Just wonder over to the pool and look for the moron watching or playing with his 13 yo kid in the pool.

Posted by: Infidel at May 23, 2020 02:19 PM (sNpqr)

437 wander.

Posted by: Infidel at May 23, 2020 02:19 PM (sNpqr)

438 My cousin saw the plane hit the Pentagon.

Posted by: Chris M at May 23, 2020 02:19 PM (6XZdO)

439 Last state to open?

That is a good poll to have.
California, NY, NJ, Michigan, Pa.

Posted by: Skip at May 23, 2020 02:19 PM (ZCEU2)

440 Last state to open?



That is a good poll to have.

California, NY, NJ, Michigan, Pa.

Posted by: Skip at May 23, 2020 02:19 PM (ZCEU2)


Illinois: What am I, chopped Jabba the Hutt?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 23, 2020 02:23 PM (jXl61)

441 I wonder about pools too. Also it is cloudy and rainy at the moment so I don't know if pool festivities are still on the menu...

Posted by: Sabrina Chase at May 23, 2020 02:24 PM (exg7Q)

442 It does not. It appears to have been doctored.



Why?

Posted by: BurtTC at May 23, 2020 01:42 PM (hku12)

Let me start by saying I'm open to all kinds of theories especially regarding malfeasance among our elite.

---

In that same vein, when someone approaches me with any strange conspiracy tale, my immediate response is "OK, let's see what you got."

I don't trust this government or anyone even remotely "rich."

But, as I stated, there is no scenario where "it wasn't a plane that hit the Pentagon" that makes one smidgen of sense.

You don't steal a plane full of people, kill them, hide the plane, then hit a building with something else and claim it was the plane.

That's. Fucking. Stupid.

Posted by: RKae at May 23, 2020 01:59 PM (Tk204)


I don't have an overarching theory, nor do I think there is one that would adequately explain what happened to THAT plane, if it didn't hit the Pentagon.

My point is, how is it the video footage is so spotty, and it is. We have seen NO other angles, other than these two cameras on either side of the parking lot entrance.

Aaaand... it appears BOTH cameras show the tail of the plane, but the camera that SHOULD show the body of the plane, doesn't. Meaning it was likely photoshopped, before it got released YEARS after the fact.

I don't need a theory to know there's something wrong with this picture, and I don't need to solve the mystery to acknowledge it's strange.

Bottom line: Don't trust anything. Question everything.

Deep staters gotta deep state. It's almost as if our "intelligence community" is play acting at being an intelligence community. Bunch of reprobates and sociopaths, and they need to be stopped.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 23, 2020 02:25 PM (hku12)

443 They opened our neighborhood pool today...at 25% capacity, so 63 people total in the pool area. Also wear a mask when not in the pool. And bring your own chairs. And maintain social distancing if not from the same household. I guess this will get policed by the neighborhood Karen's. This should end well....

Posted by: lin-duh en fugue at May 23, 2020 02:28 PM (UUBmN)

444 I wasn't limiting to those 4 and should have said so.

Posted by: Skip at May 23, 2020 02:28 PM (ZCEU2)

445 But overall I sense a dramatic failure by CDC to do its job, at every stage of this, even probably in following their *own* standing guidance on epidemic policies (quarantines not relevant when prevalence hits 1% or more, for one central disastrous example).

Posted by: rhomboid at May 23, 2020 01:41 PM (El6T/)
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The Center for Disease Control was busy protecting is from Gun disease.

They had probably optimized their process away from diseases and more to gun statistics over the years.

Posted by: Joe Biden at May 23, 2020 02:29 PM (Eicbe)

446 No one is going to catch Covid-19 outside, in a heavy chlorinated area.

Posted by: Skip at May 23, 2020 02:30 PM (ZCEU2)

447 Maybe everyone should have self quarantined over AIDS

Posted by: Skip at May 23, 2020 02:31 PM (ZCEU2)

448 BurtTC

Plenty of evidence about the plane. And that large Bravo fire, which I saw, would be hard to fake.

I investigated. Lost my cute Venezuelan cross the parking lot neighbor in the plane. She was a very nice divorcee, and quite helpful for me. (Married a Paki, so listed as Norma Khan). And my HOA Vice President rescued two from the crash area, and had wicked neck injuries with scars.

Occam's Razor, my friend.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 23, 2020 02:32 PM (u82oZ)

449 I'm sure it's been discussed here before, but I have a serious question. Are Gov. Gretchen Whitless and Caitlyn Jenner brothers?

Posted by: olddog in mo, F*ck BofA & uckfay ancercay at May 23, 2020 02:33 PM (Dhht7)

450 rhomboid

You are correct. We have had a large scale replacement of people who ca do the job with credentialed idiots who know how to steal on the job, but not do the work expected.

This is a primary Third-World mechanism.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 23, 2020 02:35 PM (u82oZ)

451
OK... here's my conspiracy theory about doctored images...

With 12 years experience in graphic design, I can state with 99.9999% certainty that Obama's birth certificate released by his White House was a forgery. And a poor one - exceedingly amateurish; I could have done better as a child.

Why?

I think it's also fairly certain that he was in fact born in HI. Even if not, a couple centuries worth of existing immigration legislation and precedent define Obama as a natural born citizen by virtue of his mother.

There was no need to forge a BC.

My theory is that the Birther controversy arose at the same time as (and partly because of) the revelation that Barack Obama lied about his citizenship to gain advantage in college admissions.

This is embarrassing in and of itself, and it calls into question his own self-identification as "American," and his Americanism, and would invite more scrutiny into his carefully hidden college records which likely show a lackluster, third-rate student performance.

So I think the Obama team viewed the Birther distraction, which could never gain traction, and made his critics appear non-credible, as a godsend. And I think they released that clear forgery as a means of throwing more fuel onto that fire, to discredit those people should they ever decide to make a big issue of his REAL citizenship scandal.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 23, 2020 02:37 PM (h6CJG)

452 Seriously debating whether to even get out of bed today...

Posted by: lin-duh en fugue at May 23, 2020 02:40 PM (UUBmN)

453 On Joe Biden and black people:
"It shouldn't be forgotten that Biden was thrown off balance-- insulted, even -- that Charlamagne asked him a straightforward question about his record. It's a rare occurrence."
David Harsanyi

Posted by: KT at May 23, 2020 02:40 PM (BVQ+1)

454 BurtTC

Plenty of evidence about the plane. And that large Bravo fire, which I saw, would be hard to fake.

I investigated. Lost my cute Venezuelan cross the parking lot neighbor in the plane. She was a very nice divorcee, and quite helpful for me. (Married a Paki, so listed as Norma Khan). And my HOA Vice President rescued two from the crash area, and had wicked neck injuries with scars.

Occam's Razor, my friend.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 23, 2020 02:32 PM (u82oZ)


I'm not questioning any of that. I'm questioning why the lack of clearer video evidence, and why the appearance they faked one of the two pieces they released.

Why the bullshit. Why the constant, continuous messing around with the truth. They don't have to have some grand conspiracy to explain it. They probably don't.

Easiest explanation I have is, they play with misinformation and disinformation, just to f**k with us. Because they can.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 23, 2020 02:42 PM (hku12)

455 While almost as certain as one can be Jug Ears mother was Stanley so he was a natural citizen. In mind set was as much as a foreigner as any illegal.

I think the sun is out, or my roof is on fire. One or the other

Posted by: Skip at May 23, 2020 02:45 PM (ZCEU2)

456 Time to make the bleu cheese and wings.

Posted by: Infidel at May 23, 2020 02:47 PM (sNpqr)

457 So I think the Obama team viewed the Birther distraction, which could never gain traction, and made his critics appear non-credible, as a godsend. And I think they released that clear forgery as a means of throwing more fuel onto that fire, to discredit those people should they ever decide to make a big issue of his REAL citizenship scandal.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 23, 2020 02:37 PM (h6CJG)


Yup.

I'll throw another one out there.

Epstein almost certainly DID kill himself.

But the malfunctioning cameras, the sleeping guards, the prisoner switches, AND the missing footage from his FIRST suicide attempt...

All it does is create fuel to distract from the real scandal.

Of which, one credible theory is, Epstein was an intelligence asset. His wealth was created from basically nothing, and he lived like a bazillionaire, when in fact he was "merely" a multi-millionaire.

Simple sleight of hand. Games the deep staters play, to amuse themselves.

And gosh, here we are with a phony China wuwu virus pandemic. How do they get away with it?

Easy, barely an inconvenience.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 23, 2020 02:47 PM (hku12)

458 Personally, I'm glad there isn't any readily-available footage of the plane hitting the Pentagon. Seeing the planes going into the towers is bad enough.

Posted by: Vendette at May 23, 2020 02:49 PM (6j2Bg)

459
Posted by: Vendette at May 23, 2020 02:49 PM (6j2Bg)

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Hey Vendette!

Thanks for asking about Vanessa! I answered, but I think after you left last night... reposting:

"Well, four surgeries later, the last shunt revision seems *fingers crossed* to have taken. Minor (topical) infection at old shunt site we are treating at home, instead of the hospital, thank G-d. She's shitting like a greased goose because of the antibiotic, but aside from that, she's fantastic. Sleeping peacefully beside me as we speak. The pressure in her skull has gone down dramatically, and it shows on her face and in her behavior too. She smiles whenever she isn't crying, and is moving much better."

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 23, 2020 02:51 PM (h6CJG)

460 I'm sure it's been discussed here before, but I have a serious question. Are Gov. Gretchen Whitless and Caitlyn Jenner brothers?
Posted by: olddog in mo, F*ck BofA & uckfay ancercay at May 23, 2020 02:33 PM (Dhht7)

Ummmmmmmm.....Yes.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 23, 2020 02:52 PM (Z+IKu)

461 It looks like the Ukraine scandal that Democrats were desperate to bury is starting to get some legs.

Can you imagine if this was Trump?

https://tinyurl.com/y8738z6e

Posted by: JackStraw at May 23, 2020 02:53 PM (ZLI7S)

462 Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 23, 2020 02:51 PM (h6CJG)

That makes me happy! It's been a long road for you all.

Posted by: Infidel at May 23, 2020 02:53 PM (sNpqr)

463
Posted by: Infidel at May 23, 2020 02:53 PM (sNpqr)

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Thanks! #MeToo, LOL.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 23, 2020 02:54 PM (h6CJG)

464 >>>>Can you imagine if this was Trump?

Yes, I can imagine that.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, live from Pandemia at May 23, 2020 02:55 PM (NVYyb)

465 Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 23, 2020 02:51 PM (h6CJG)


Thanks! Yes, I asked and then took off before you answered. Bad me.

Posted by: Vendette at May 23, 2020 02:56 PM (6j2Bg)

466 >>>I think it's also fairly certain that he was in fact born in HI. Even if not, a couple centuries worth of existing immigration legislation and precedent define Obama as a natural born citizen by virtue of his mother.


Make that a few decades of US Law. Prior to the 19th Amendment women and children derived their citizenship from the father.

Immigrant woman married an American male she and the kids were instantly deemed to US Citizens.

Immigrant man marries an American woman, she and the kids were deemed same citizenship as the man,

This continued for decades after passage of the 19th Amendment then someone realized a knock-on effect of the 19th would be that US women would keep their citizenship and a standard form was published decades after that realization to correct and restore citizenship. Never looked far enough into to see if restored citizenship effective date of marriage or date form was processed. But they did publish the form through the WWII era.

This is all very 'natural'.

That said. I think Barry was a bastard and his mother entered into a fraudulent marriage to keep her drunken boyfriend in the country. BC adjusted retroactively as needed. So pre-19th Barry, being a bastard an all, would have been a "natural born citizen" but as BC was tweaked... not so clear. For all we know the BC as written the day of birth 'father' was blank.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at May 23, 2020 02:56 PM (1g7ch)

467 To follow on.... there is a reason why inquiry into Barry's BC really did piss him off.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at May 23, 2020 02:58 PM (1g7ch)

468 It looks like the Ukraine scandal that Democrats were desperate to bury is starting to get some legs.

Can you imagine if this was Trump?

https://tinyurl.com/y8738z6e
Posted by: JackStraw at May 23, 2020 02:53 PM (ZLI7S

So sad for the media. If only Biden was a Republican. There would be an interesting story to pursue and perhaps a Pulitzer.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at May 23, 2020 03:00 PM (XAC2T)

469
So sad for the media. If only Biden was a Republican. There would be an interesting story to pursue and perhaps a Pulitzer.
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at May 23, 2020 03:00 PM (XAC2T)


Using taxpayer money to bribe foreign officials?

I'll allow it.

Posted by: Judge Pakalolo at May 23, 2020 03:02 PM (1g7ch)

470 Can you imagine if this was Trump?

https://tinyurl.com/y8738z6e

Posted by: JackStraw at May 23, 2020 02:53
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Yes. Teh virus would be gone and ImpeachTrump 2.0 would be all the news.

Posted by: olddog in mo, F*ck BofA & uckfay ancercay at May 23, 2020 03:02 PM (Dhht7)

471 Time for the great banana harvest of 2020, 2nd wave.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at May 23, 2020 03:03 PM (1g7ch)

472 >>So sad for the media. If only Biden was a Republican. There would be an interesting story to pursue and perhaps a Pulitzer.

Joe, with help from John Kerry and others, did exactly what they accused Trump of doing in Ukraine, a quid pro quo using US tax dollars to halt an investigation.

This one is definitely impeachable and criminal.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 23, 2020 03:03 PM (ZLI7S)

473 Is Ukraine charging senile racist criminal rapist Joe with something?

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at May 23, 2020 03:06 PM (XAC2T)

474 PET NOOD IS UP

Posted by: Skip the guy who calls noods at May 23, 2020 03:07 PM (ZCEU2)

475 And I have to go back to Lowes, wrong circuit breaker

Posted by: Skip the guy who calls noods at May 23, 2020 03:07 PM (ZCEU2)

476 >>Is Ukraine charging senile racist criminal rapist Joe with something?

Both he and Kerry have been named by the Ukrainian government in an investigation of the illegal firing of the prosecutor who was investigating the corrupt oil and gas company Burisma that Hunter Biden had a board seat on.

Burisma was being used to launder billions of dollars.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 23, 2020 03:11 PM (ZLI7S)

477
One clear pattern Democrats exhibit is blaming the opposition of EXACTLY what they themselves are doing. That approach has a whole lot of advantages. But there are some big pitfalls, too - if you're not careful, if you don't plan well, you can end up with a #MeToo situation or a Ukraine thing.

Of course, with the media to run interference, those little oopsies can always be (largely) ameliorated, and Mr. Biden is a walking example of that, in both cases. He likely won't be elected President, partly as a result of those little oopsies.

But the overarching scandals will never reach broad public consciousness, and the Democrat-controlled Uniparty Deep State will carry on to fight another day.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 23, 2020 03:17 PM (h6CJG)

478 Just got back from venturing Outside. The metropark was packed with folks.

Even though Twatwaffenfuhrer Whitmer extended the lockdown into June (in the dead of night), I just can't see everyone toeing the line. I saw "open" signs on some businesses, and not just curbside.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 23, 2020 03:20 PM (Dc2NZ)

479 And I have to go back to Lowes, wrong circuit breaker

Just left there.

375 lb mama with her 8 year son. Walking around outside the Lowes looking at grills.

Matching plexiglas face shields.

Totally psycho, man. Welcome to Bubble World.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - Have you reported in to your assigned Contact Tracer today? at May 23, 2020 03:21 PM (2KNZv)

480 Heartening to see the Trump campaign using one of the most despicable fake slanders of the racists and race-baiters ("mass incarceration") in their online propaganda. In response to Biden's comment, of course. And to tout the beyond dubious jailbreak "reform" Trump championed.

Hoping to see "diversity", maybe even "climate policy" before too long.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 23, 2020 03:26 PM (El6T/)

481 Well @375 lbs, she'd be in the tiny sliver of non-elderly with some kind of measurable risk from C-19. I don't think there is yet publicly available stratification of fatality data by underlying medical condition, but anecdotally it's clear that obesity is a major one.

Her 8-yr old kid, on the other hand, faces essentially zero risk from it.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 23, 2020 03:29 PM (El6T/)

482
Hoping to see "diversity", maybe even "climate policy" before too long.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 23, 2020 03:26 PM (El6T/)

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The Dems have crept left for decades, and that always leaves living, active politicians open to criticism for prior positions and actions.

But this bizarre, full-tilt leftward lurch they started in 2008 and kicked into Warp Gear in 2016 has left them wide open to an assault from a nontraditional, flexible "conservative" candidate like Trump.

That's a big damn hole in the armor and if they think he won't lance them in it, they're idiots.

And given that all of their candidates followed on to AOC's Green New Deal and Castro's "taxpayer funded abortions for men"* proposal, I think they are, and they can't even see what they are doing to themselves.

*As I've noted before, m'lady is almost completely nonpolitical, dislikes politicians as an entire class, and does her Yankee damnedest to avoid it altogether. But she hates Trump in particular.

However, after I forced her to watch that debate, she began to soberly consider voting, and voting for him, simply to stop that rogue's gallery of batshit crazy, carpet-chewing maniacs from getting into power.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 23, 2020 03:35 PM (h6CJG)

483 Ok right one try again

Posted by: Skip at May 23, 2020 03:56 PM (ZCEU2)

484 483 Ok right one try again

Posted by: Skip at May 23, 2020 03:56
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Good luck. Hope to see you posting in the morning.

Posted by: olddog in mo, F*ck BofA & uckfay ancercay at May 23, 2020 04:02 PM (Dhht7)

485 Guess I'm willowed
But read a article by VDH and a commentary on it he wondered why Left and Conservatives didn't come together as in many crises in the past. My thought right away was this one is letting the Leftists' inner dictatorships dreams out in the open.

Posted by: Skip at May 23, 2020 04:07 PM (ZCEU2)

486 FOX news onion division is reporting that Biden is widening his lead over Trump.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 23, 2020 04:07 PM (0OHY8)

487 I could do it without the house power being off but I will kill it.

Posted by: Skip at May 23, 2020 04:08 PM (ZCEU2)

488 481 Well @375 lbs, she'd be in the tiny sliver of...

And Radio said %17 of regular flyers weigh in at 350.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 23, 2020 04:12 PM (0OHY8)

489 Adam Housley @adamhousley
1h
I'm told that Wray's investigation has a lot to do with Durham using a bunch more resources...which has him concerned that he can't toe the line anymore.

Posted by: Ghost of Qassem Soleimani at May 23, 2020 04:15 PM (4jG6O)

490 All it does is create fuel to distract from the real scandal.

Of which, one credible theory is, Epstein was an intelligence asset. His wealth was created from basically nothing, and he lived like a bazillionaire, when in fact he was "merely" a multi-millionaire.

Simple sleight of hand. Games the deep staters play, to amuse themselves.

And gosh, here we are with a phony China wuwu virus pandemic. How do they get away with it?

Easy, barely an inconvenience.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 23, 2020 02:47 PM (hku12)

Epstein was a pimp. He could never have outfought Clintoni.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 23, 2020 04:15 PM (CqE5x)

491 I could do it without the house power being off but I will kill it.

Tape cardboard over the scary thingies at the top of the fuse box before you go to work.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - Have you reported in to your assigned Contact Tracer today? at May 23, 2020 04:18 PM (2KNZv)

492 No, I'm back on line, took longer to reboot than to do it.
I actually work around live electric panels a lot, uncovered as they usually are during construction. But put panel cover back on before turning it on.

Posted by: Skip at May 23, 2020 04:21 PM (ZCEU2)

493 478

Even though Twatwaffenfuhrer Whitmer extended the lockdown into June (in the dead of night), I just can't see everyone toeing the line. I saw "open" signs on some businesses, and not just curbside.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 23, 2020 03:20 PM

Problem is that so long as she keeps extending her orders, the 'social distancing' and mask and 'no gatherings of more than 10 people' requirements are still in effect.

Which may not mean much for the average person saying 'to hell with that', but means everything for the businesses which cannot afford to defy her. I'm sure many businesses would like to open up fully with zero restrictions for their employees and customers. But there is always the risk of some Karen reporting them for not following Whitmer's order.

So whether or not people are following the orders, so long as they stay in place, businesses cannot fully open without restrictions.

Which also means sports cannot open.

Think of all the sports leagues in Michigan --- all across the state --- which cannot happen, because of the orders in place:

--- professional sports (NBA, NHL, MLB, MiLB, MLS)
--- college sports
--- Little League leagues, softball leagues, hard ball leagues

And think of how having all those sports activities cancelled --- not to mention concerts --- affects the customer base of restaurants and bars and such.

Yeah, the fact that she is extending the orders is still a huge deal as it affects businesses, especially small businesses.

I saw a local Coney Island restaurant that is in the same mini-mall where I pick up my groceries at Kroger. It had a big sign saying they were open again for inside guests. But the place was empty from what I saw. 10am on a Saturday would previously attract a large breakfast or brunch crowd.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at May 23, 2020 04:22 PM (Do5/p)

494 And gosh, here we are with a phony China wuwu virus pandemic. How do they get away with it?

Easy, barely an inconvenience.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 23, 2020 02:47 PM (hku12)

I agree with you, but you have to separate the China virus itself from our response to it--if you want to sway people. There really were deaths from that and the anecdotal evidence from my own family and from where I work bears this out. Okay, I'm in New Jersey, 15 miles out of NYC, so I realize it's different in Montana, Texas and elsewhere.

But yeah, the timing of the shutdown and everything else is suspect.
Trump and his massive rallies touting his economy and the lowest unemployment "ever", his supposedly pulling 20-30% of the AA vote, the failure of shampeachment, Biden & Burisma---all had to be done away with.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 23, 2020 04:22 PM (CqE5x)

495 I also want to say that the Democrats may not like some of the 'changes" that are coming as a result of this Chinese Virus Shutdown---illegal immigration--and the free shit offered to them, environmental climate change models--all of these will be much harder to sell a shaken population.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 23, 2020 04:26 PM (CqE5x)

496 point is, how is it the video footage is so spotty, and it is. We have seen NO other angles, other than these two cameras on either side of the parking lot entrance.

Aaaand... it appears BOTH cameras show the tail of the plane, but the camera that SHOULD show the body of the plane, doesn't. Meaning it was likely photoshopped, before it got released YEARS after the fact.

I don't need a theory to know there's something wrong with this picture, and I don't need to solve the mystery to acknowledge it's strange.

Bottom line: Don't trust anything. Question everything.

Deep staters gotta deep state. It's almost as if our "intelligence community" is play acting at being an intelligence community. Bunch of reprobates and sociopaths, and they need to be stopped.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 23, 2020 02:25 PM (hku12)


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I have similar questions about the Kennedy assasination. There are network tv pictures of the couple arriving in Dallas, and quite a few of their stay in Dallas, but no professional pictures of the parade. Always seemed strange.

Posted by: Chillin the most at May 23, 2020 04:27 PM (lonOK)

497 Emperor Wolf denied NASCAR a empty stadium race at Pocono and is trying to make the Eagles and Steelers jump though hoops to play.

Posted by: Skip at May 23, 2020 04:30 PM (ZCEU2)

498 489 Adam Housley @adamhousley
1h
I'm told that Wray's investigation has a lot to do with Durham using a bunch more resources...which has him concerned that he can't toe the line anymore.

Posted by: Ghost of Qassem Soleimani at May 23, 2020 04:15
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What does that mean? Wray can't keep all his employees on message, because Durham has more resources available to himself? What line is Wray toeing?

Posted by: olddog in mo, F*ck BofA & uckfay ancercay at May 23, 2020 04:32 PM (Dhht7)

499 Wray is trying to really hold the fort together without too much damage.

Posted by: Skip at May 23, 2020 04:39 PM (ZCEU2)

500 And gosh, here we are with a phony China wuwu virus pandemic. How do they get away with it?

Easy, barely an inconvenience.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 23, 2020 02:47 PM (hku12)

I agree with you, but you have to separate the China virus itself from our response to it--if you want to sway people. There really were deaths from that and the anecdotal evidence from my own family and from where I work bears this out. Okay, I'm in New Jersey, 15 miles out of NYC, so I realize it's different in Montana, Texas and elsewhere.

But yeah, the timing of the shutdown and everything else is suspect.
Trump and his massive rallies touting his economy and the lowest unemployment "ever", his supposedly pulling 20-30% of the AA vote, the failure of shampeachment, Biden & Burisma---all had to be done away with.
Posted by: JoeF. at May 23, 2020 04:22 PM (CqE5x)


I guess I'm back here...

Right, there's a definite need to refine one's perspective here, to avoid both the appearance of, and the actual treatment of this viral outbreak as something less than what it is.

It's bad enough.

And separately from that, the government response has been dangerously sinister, and we'll likely spend years unraveling all the bullship that's been attached to it. Without any real satisfactory answers.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 23, 2020 04:50 PM (hku12)

501 499 Wray is trying to really hold the fort together without too much damage.

Posted by: Skip at May 23, 2020 04:39 PM (ZCEU2)


And Barr is putting pressure on him to get it right.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 23, 2020 04:50 PM (0OHY8)

502 Call me Pollyanna but there will be a lot of rectification after the inauguration.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 23, 2020 04:53 PM (0OHY8)

503 Posted by: BurtTC at May 23, 2020 02:25 PM (hku12)


----

I have similar questions about the Kennedy assasination. There are network tv pictures of the couple arriving in Dallas, and quite a few of their stay in Dallas, but no professional pictures of the parade. Always seemed strange.
Posted by: Chillin the most at May 23, 2020 04:27 PM (lonOK)


Yep, as I've mentioned here before, there's a book out there that makes a credible enough case that it was the Secret Service agent in the car behind Kennedy's, brandishing his AR15, who accidentally blew off the right front top of Kennedy's head.

Whether that's correct or not, we'll never know, but what we all SHOULD know is there's no way a 6.30 round from a Carcano rifle would have caused that effect. A top right front blowing off of the skull... from a solid slow, non-disintegrating type round from directly behind and above?

Makes absolutely no damn sense. Ballistics don't work that way.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 23, 2020 04:55 PM (hku12)

504 At least got a new power line to heater spot, next would be drain old tank, will need to make new plumbing connections and should be fine.

Posted by: Skip at May 23, 2020 05:10 PM (ZCEU2)

505 CHESS/DRESS NOOD

Posted by: Skip the guy who calls noods at May 23, 2020 05:17 PM (ZCEU2)

506 Last state to open?

That is a good poll to have.
California, NY, NJ, Michigan, Pa.
Posted by: Skip

Hmm. .People's "Republic " of Washington?

Posted by: Emperor Jay I at May 23, 2020 06:03 PM (bhZHn)

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