Gun Thread: '03 Springfield! [Weasel]

For a few weeks I've been promising "you people" a video on the '03 Springfield, and I finally got 'er done! Sort of. It didn't exactly come out as I'd hoped, but I didn't want to put it off for another couple of weeks while waiting to shoot key scenes over again. Anyhoo, let's have a look at that, shall we?

And before a bunch of you email me to point it out, yes, I did incorrectly say windage instead of elevation when discussing the rear leaf sight!

'03 Springfield and "Low Number" Receivers
Originally published in the November 25, 2018 Gun Thread - we recycle!
One of the all-time greatest topics for internet forum debate involves the question of the '03 Springfield and 'low number' receivers.
Introduced in 1903, the United States Rifle, Caliber .30, Model 1903 was the standard U.S. infantry rifle until the M1 Garand came along in 1936, and the development and use of the '03 Springfield is extremely interesting. For today, however, we're going to talk a little bit about metallurgy and wartime production.

The U.S. entered WWI with insufficient rifles to arm the troops so production had to be increased and that meant adding shifts at the arsenals. At the time, the heat treatment of the receiver steel was controlled thru visual inspection by armory workers. When the steel glowed a certain color it was deemed to have reached the proper temperature, an obviously subjective procedure. It was later determined the actual temperature of steel produced in this manner might vary by several hundred degrees, depending on whether it was a day or night shift, or a clear vs. cloudy day, and resulted in potentially over-cooked and brittle steel. A relatively small number of the receivers failed during use and injured soldiers which prompted an investigation.

Compounding the problem was, by design, the head of the .30-06 cartridge is unsupported by the chamber for about 1/8th inch. Some receiver failure incidents were suspected to have been caused by defective cartridge head brass and even others attributed to the use of incorrect ammunition altogether. The Army Officer leading the investigation, Julian hostaer, incorporated the findings into the book bearing his name, hostaer's Notebook, which is highly recommended. As described by hostaer, the investigation and testing continued into the 1920's when a sample of 26 low number receivers were subjected to twice the rated pressure without failure.

Whatever the cause, about a dozen soldiers received serious injuries resulting from receiver failures. The manufacturing process was improved in February 1918 at Springfield Armory around S/N: 800000, and at Rock Island Arsenal at S/N: 285507 with the installation of pyrometers in the forges. But what to do with approximately 1 million 'suspect' receivers then in use? The Army decided to leave them in regular service and only retire them as they came through the arsenal for repair, and the Marines decided to simply keep using them until someone handed them something else to shoot. And the great Springfield low receiver serial number issue was born.

My rifle is S/N 379145 made at the Springfield Armory in 1909, but with a barrel date of November 1944. That's right, the receiver made in 1909 is matched to a barrel made 35 years later. It's a rifle which was fired to the point of wearing out at least one barrel, and perhaps several barrels, before concluding its military service in 1944.

Do I shoot it? Of course I do. It was made in 1909, well before WWI and the increase in wartime production which many think contributed to the problem. The CMP and most of the rest of the world declare this rifle 'unsafe to shoot' based on the low number. I suspect it may have been a USMC rifle given it was never removed from service, and if it's good enough for the Marines then it's good enough for me. I ususlly hand load for it using surplus brass, 150gr bullets, and IMR4895 staying on the lower end of the velocity curve - around 2650fps. The load for .30 cal military ammunition has fluctuated over the years, but in 1944 the new M2 Ball used a 152gr flat base bullet with a muzzle velocity of 2805fps.

Remember, these rifles weren't treated like some sort frail and fragile item 100 years ago, but rather continued to be used until they were worn out and then removed from service, or replaced by something else, a fact that is usually omitted from discussion on low serial number rifles.
Am I recommending you shoot a low number receiver? No. I'm just telling you that I shoot mine, and the reasons I think it's OK for me to do so with my particular rifle.

Suggested references:

The definitive resource:
The Springfield 1903 Rifles, Brophy

There are many many others, and countless websites devoted to the development and long history of these wonderful rifles.

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Next we have a 1911 front sight repair project from our pal Jesse in DC:

These are the pics of me repairing the front sight on my 1911. An easy repair I guess, but I was surprised at how hard the sight part was. That probably explained the bad previous staking job. I did not want to damage the slide, so I used some green locktite, the stud and bearing mount stuff. I think that should be sufficient, but if not I will try to find the official tool to stake it
Now, ready for the next range trip.
Jesse in DC

Nice job, Jesse in DC, and I like your library!

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Here's our pal Jerry Miculek with a video on moving targets:

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Have any of you participated in this type of competitive shooting? Looks like fun! Maybe an idea for the TXMoMe?

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

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Comments

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1 Yoo hoo!

Posted by: bluebell at May 17, 2020 07:09 PM (/669Q)

2 Love the Weasel video, of course.

Posted by: bluebell at May 17, 2020 07:10 PM (/669Q)

3 I was wondering where this thread has been last 10 minutes

Posted by: Skip at May 17, 2020 07:10 PM (ZCEU2)

4 It's you and me, Skip.

Posted by: bluebell at May 17, 2020 07:12 PM (/669Q)

5 And I know nothing about guns so you'd better do the talking.

Posted by: bluebell at May 17, 2020 07:12 PM (/669Q)

6 I have no idea why it's down here instead of up there. I axed CBD to look at it. Today is 5/17/20 a little after 7pm, right?

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 07:13 PM (MVjcR)

7 Hoo boy. Okay, lets see. We have a BB gun by the back door to get the woodpeckers.

Posted by: bluebell at May 17, 2020 07:14 PM (/669Q)

8 Oh Weasel, thank goodness you're here.

Posted by: bluebell at May 17, 2020 07:14 PM (/669Q)

9 5 And I know nothing about guns so you'd better do the talking.

Posted by: bluebell at May 17, 2020 07:12 PM (/669Q)
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bluebell, why don't you sing while I try to figure this out. Thx!

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 07:14 PM (MVjcR)

10 There's a rift in the space-time continuum.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 17, 2020 07:15 PM (EgshT)

11 I'd rather tap dance.

Here goes.

Shuffle step, shuffle step, turn, kick, twist ankle, limp off stage.

Posted by: bluebell at May 17, 2020 07:15 PM (/669Q)

12 Name the firearms on the wall

http://www.arcair.com/Gal16/15601-15700/gal15616-B-29-Czech/14.shtm

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 17, 2020 07:15 PM (9kruo)

13 Wow, the thread is now undercover.

*shifty eyes*

Nothing to see here, nothing at all.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 17, 2020 07:16 PM (cfSRQ)

14 Congratulations on your Primo Telum, bluebell!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 17, 2020 07:16 PM (DMUuz)

15 I had a low serial number O-3 at one time. The receiver was quenched in oil I thought. The receiver was beautiful. I put a lot of rounds through it. No problems. It had a 1941 barrel.

Posted by: Javems at May 17, 2020 07:16 PM (ofIwF)

16 Oh thank goodness, some real gun peeps. You guys can carry on now.

Posted by: bluebell at May 17, 2020 07:16 PM (/669Q)

17 Whiskey Tango Alpha Foxtrot?
I started to panic.

Posted by: RI Red at May 17, 2020 07:17 PM (yPMyp)

18 And I know nothing about guns so you'd better do the talking.
Posted by: bluebell at May 17, 2020 07:12 PM

Says the Grand Sifu of Shiv-fu.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 17, 2020 07:17 PM (DMUuz)

19 Thanks Weasel for the '03 video. Took mine out to clean last week, no place to shoot it right now and no one to shoot with.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at May 17, 2020 07:18 PM (0jfkF)

20 Thanks bluebell!
I think we have a date issue. I alerted the boss. Hopefully it'll get sorted and this will move upstairs.

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 07:18 PM (MVjcR)

21 I find the "low serial number" thing a bit amusing. I think "low" is around maybe four digits, maybe five.

Not "less than 800,000."

I guess it all depends on the scale of production.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 17, 2020 07:18 PM (cfSRQ)

22 And I know nothing about guns so you'd better do the talking.
Posted by: bluebell at May 17, 2020 07:12 PM (/669Q)

That sounds ominous.

Posted by: hogmartin at May 17, 2020 07:19 PM (t+qrx)

23 It always seems at least in the movies of WWII made during to right after though a company were issued M-1s they had a sniper with a Springfield.
Another great video Weasel

Posted by: Skip at May 17, 2020 07:20 PM (ZCEU2)

24 Gunga la Gunga !

Posted by: JT at May 17, 2020 07:20 PM (arJlL)

25 Mrs. E 'inherited' a Smith Corona.

Posted by: Eromero at May 17, 2020 07:20 PM (XhWtx)

26 Thanks Weasel for the '03 video. Took mine out to clean last week, no place to shoot it right now and no one to shoot with.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at May 17, 2020 07:18 PM (0jfkF)
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Thanks!

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 07:20 PM (MVjcR)

27 WTF? the gub thread is halfway down the page...

Posted by: redc1c4 at May 17, 2020 07:20 PM (5kusT)

28 Maybe, in honor of bluebell, we could add some fashion tips.

I find a thigh holster to be an excellent component of concealed-carry when wearing a kilt.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 17, 2020 07:20 PM (DMUuz)

29 I think we have a date issue. I alerted the boss. Hopefully it'll get sorted and this will move upstairs.

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 07:18 PM (MVjcR)

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Until then, I guess we're hangin' out in the basement.

*Puts on Pink Floyd, turns on Christmas lights, cracks open beer, sits on plush sectional couch*

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 17, 2020 07:20 PM (cfSRQ)

30 *Puts on Pink Floyd, turns on Christmas lights, cracks open beer, sits on plush sectional couch*

Just as long as no white ottoman...

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 17, 2020 07:22 PM (9kruo)

31 Hoo boy. Okay, lets see. We have a BB gun by the back door to get the woodpeckers.
Posted by: bluebell

Et tu Bluebell ?

Posted by: JT at May 17, 2020 07:23 PM (arJlL)

32 *Puts on Pink Floyd, turns on Christmas lights, cracks open beer, sits on plush sectional couch*
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 17, 2020 07:20 PM

No wonder you're stuck in the revolver era.

And Christmas lights? Isn't it supposed to be dark on the dark side of the moon?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 17, 2020 07:23 PM (DMUuz)

33 Only intrepid explorers need apply to this thread.

Posted by: Muad'dib at May 17, 2020 07:23 PM (6X9zF)

34 Jerry Mikulek asked me where I was from and I said South Carolina but I'm a Texan now just like Travis and Bonham. He told me I live in Texas. Asked him what town and he said Shreveport Texas.

Posted by: Eromero at May 17, 2020 07:23 PM (XhWtx)

35 Found it! Wasn't easy but totally worth finding the famous gun thread; Thanks Weasel. My one contribution... after getting my shipment from SGAmmo (a delightful process)..... ammo be heavy!

Posted by: zeera Moron Author at May 17, 2020 07:24 PM (zUdXR)

36 WTF? the gub thread is halfway down the page...
Posted by: redc1c4 at May 17, 2020 07:20 PM (5kusT)
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We've been demoted without due process!

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 07:24 PM (MVjcR)

37 He told me I live in Texas. Asked him what town and he said Shreveport Texas.
Posted by: Eromero at May 17, 2020 07:23 PM (XhWtx)
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And was he right?

Posted by: bluebell at May 17, 2020 07:25 PM (/669Q)

38 I dropped a note at the bottom of the Food Thread so maybe some more will find us down here.

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 07:25 PM (MVjcR)

39 watching a Gun Broker auction here for a Norinco 1911, which, if i get it, will be sent off to Tulsa OK, to be converted into Rowland 460

no way i'd do that with one of our Colts, etc...

bought a Thompson Contender last Monday, pick up is Tuesday afternoon.

local ranges here in The Valley opened up Fryday.

Posted by: redc1c4 at May 17, 2020 07:26 PM (5kusT)

40 Oh here you are. Trying to hide from me hmmm?

Posted by: Have Tegu, Will Travel at May 17, 2020 07:28 PM (Tnijr)

41 watching a Gun Broker auction here for a Norinco 1911, which, if i get it, will be sent off to Tulsa OK, to be converted into Rowland 460
Posted by: redc1c4 at May 17, 2020 07:26 PM

Is that DiFi approved?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 17, 2020 07:29 PM (DMUuz)

42 Oh HERE it is! Hiding the gun thread from us just isn't cricket, old chap!

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 17, 2020 07:29 PM (NWiLs)

43 I know I have nothing to contribute but that's just damn mean to hide from me. I found you anyway, so there.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 17, 2020 07:30 PM (ROyNt)

44 First!

(Someone had to say it)

Posted by: Rex B at May 17, 2020 07:30 PM (vKfX7)

45 Woo Hoo!! Weasel has learned of time travel and posted the gun thread earlier so we could all read the content before commenting!!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 17, 2020 07:31 PM (uyKdz)

46 44 I would have but they hid the thread downstairs!

Posted by: Skip at May 17, 2020 07:31 PM (ZCEU2)

47 Order has been restored. Thanks CBD!

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 07:31 PM (MVjcR)

48 No wonder you're stuck in the revolver era.

And Christmas lights? Isn't it supposed to be dark on the dark side of the moon?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 17, 2020 07:23 PM (DMUuz)

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Actually, I'm faking it. No idea what the stoners do in their basements.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 17, 2020 07:31 PM (cfSRQ)

49 That Springfield is fine. I would use it to shoot Tegu in my back yard.

Posted by: Have Tegu, Will Travel at May 17, 2020 07:32 PM (Tnijr)

50 Thanks for the gun thread Weasel!

However, I am going to miss it tonight. Son just finished college classes (online since spring break), so we are going to watch Sergeant York.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 17, 2020 07:33 PM (tkyK5)

51 First!

(Someone had to say it)

Posted by: Rex B at May 17, 2020 07:30 PM (vKfX7)

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Joan Collins!

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 17, 2020 07:34 PM (cfSRQ)

52 I have a "sporterized" .03 that was gifted, probably modded in the 1950s or 1960s. Has an Oregon Myrtlewood (iirc) stock and forend. 30-.06 is a heck of a round. I can see why the then-new M-16 was dubbed the "poodle popper", among other less than enthusiastic monikers.

Posted by: Common Tater at May 17, 2020 07:35 PM (zwucm)

53

However, I am going to miss it tonight. Son just finished college classes (online since spring break), so we are going to watch Sergeant York.
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 17, 2020 07:33 PM (tkyK5)
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Congratulations! How appropriate. Great rifle and movie, eh?

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 07:35 PM (MVjcR)

54 Sergeant York?

IF you do a turkey call will Leftist heads pop up?

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 17, 2020 07:35 PM (9kruo)

55 My '03 Springfield is a low number in as issued condition from 1917. It was used for decades before I got it. The arrogant assumption from a lot of shooters that these rifles are widow makers has always annoyed me. The numbers don't back up that issue but that doesn't stop people and their 'knowledge'.

I don't use it for regular loads anymore because I have two other rifles for the cartridge: a M17 and a Garand. The '03 turns out to be a superb reduced power cast bullet shooter, good out to 150 or 200 yards with iron sights.

Posted by: JTB at May 17, 2020 07:36 PM (7EjX1)

56 42
Oh HERE it is! Hiding the gun thread from us just isn't cricket, old chap!

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 17, 2020 07:29 PM (NWiLs)

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If you haven't bought that Bren Ten yet, you may consider something in .40.

The only handgun ammo that is plentiful around here is .40.

Weird how stuff is super-popular and then shunned.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 17, 2020 07:36 PM (cfSRQ)

57 I have found that making a videos is a lot like painting a room. Later, all you can see are the spots you missed!

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 07:37 PM (MVjcR)

58 Excellente video, Senor!
Mrs. Red (whom I have to introduce slowly to the Ace thing), thinks your tractor is great and WeaselDog is "sweet".
At some point I need BlueBee to tell her the Horde is harmless. Mostly.

Posted by: RI Red at May 17, 2020 07:38 PM (yPMyp)

59 No range update. Ranges in NY and NJ are still closed due to Tyrants in Training Cuomo and Murphy.
More and more I am watching YouTube and more and more I am wanting things like an AR15 or something historical like a Garand.But lo and behold because I live in the Peoples Republic of New York State I will never be able to own anything like an AR15 due to the "unSAFE Act". And because I live in the Peoples Republic of New York City I can never own a Garand much less an AR15 due to the capacity of the rifle exceeds the 5 rounds maximum limit.Lord, let me win the lottery so I can move to a gun friendly State that does not infringe on my 2A rights every frigging day.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 17, 2020 07:38 PM (uyKdz)

60
I have found that making a videos is a lot like painting a room. Later, all you can see are the spots you missed!

Or writing a story...

A work is never finished, it just escapes.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 17, 2020 07:38 PM (9kruo)

61 Buying .40 right now is like collecting Bee Gees albums in the 80s.

It's affordable, and if you enjoy it, who cares what other people think?

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 17, 2020 07:38 PM (cfSRQ)

62 bluebell @ 37- Yeah Jerry does indeed live in Shreveport or is it Haughton. Anyway we Texans claim all territory east of the Red River to Edisto Beach South Carolina. Approximately.

Posted by: Eromero at May 17, 2020 07:38 PM (XhWtx)

63 55 My '03 Springfield is a low number in as issued condition from 1917. It was used for decades before I got it. The arrogant assumption from a lot of shooters that these rifles are widow makers has always annoyed me. The numbers don't back up that issue but that doesn't stop people and their 'knowledge'.

I don't use it for regular loads anymore because I have two other rifles for the cartridge: a M17 and a Garand. The '03 turns out to be a superb reduced power cast bullet shooter, good out to 150 or 200 yards with iron sights.
Posted by: JTB at May 17, 2020 07:36 PM (7EjX1)
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*fistbump*
The whole issue drives me nuts when I hear it too.

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 07:39 PM (MVjcR)

64 Weasel,

Great job with the video and a good overview of the development and use of the rifle. And of course the cutie pie in the credits.

Posted by: JTB at May 17, 2020 07:39 PM (7EjX1)

65 58 Excellente video, Senor!
Mrs. Red (whom I have to introduce slowly to the Ace thing), thinks your tractor is great and WeaselDog is "sweet".
At some point I need BlueBee to tell her the Horde is harmless. Mostly.
Posted by: RI Red at May 17, 2020 07:38 PM (yPMyp)
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Thanks, and Howdy to Mrs. Red!!

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 07:40 PM (MVjcR)

66 Or writing a story...

A work is never finished, it just escapes.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 17, 2020 07:38 PM (9kruo)

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Or I get sick of it and want to just be done with it already.

But your mileage may vary.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 17, 2020 07:40 PM (cfSRQ)

67 I know I have nothing to contribute but that's just damn mean to hide from me. I found you anyway, so there.
Posted by: Ben Had at May 17, 2020 07:30 PM

Your presence is always a plus.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 17, 2020 07:41 PM (DMUuz)

68
I have found that making a videos is a lot like painting a room. Later, all you can see are the spots you missed!

Or writing a story...

A work is never finished, it just escapes.
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 17, 2020 07:38 PM (9kruo)
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There is a much steeper learning curve than I expected!

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 07:42 PM (MVjcR)

69 What are people today getting for a standard, arsenal refurbished Springfield 03? I've had a chance to pick one up, but I don't know enough about them to justify the prices they seem to command.

Posted by: PacosMojo at May 17, 2020 07:42 PM (a3arV)

70 Posted by: JTB at May 17, 2020 07:39 PM (7EjX1)
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Thanks, amigo.

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 07:43 PM (MVjcR)

71 Lloyd,

There is much truth in that comment also. Best to walk away before using a mallet on the computer sometimes.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 17, 2020 07:43 PM (9kruo)

72 My Low Number Springfield was made in November 1917 and re-barreled in 1942. Great shooter and I try to only put Garand powered .30-06 ammo thru it. Has a Hatcher hole on the receiver and is a great shooter. As I get older and start to sell off my collection, this one will stay. I will most likely gift her to some ute who has an appreciation of history and the men who carried her into battle.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 17, 2020 07:43 PM (Z+IKu)

73 At some point I need BlueBee to tell her the Horde is harmless. Mostly.
Posted by: RI Red at May 17, 2020 07:38 PM

Assuming you mean bluebell, I'm several orders of magnitude more harmless. Let me know if I can help.

;-)

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 17, 2020 07:43 PM (DMUuz)

74 43 I know I have nothing to contribute but that's just damn mean to hide from me. I found you anyway, so there.
Posted by: Ben Had at May 17, 2020 07:30 PM (ROyNt)
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It took me a little while to find us too!!

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 07:44 PM (MVjcR)

75 Loving Weaseldog.

The RMBS Dad left me with a few Springfields. Straight stock, pistol grip and scant stock. He liked variations on the theme.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 17, 2020 07:45 PM (rBtIz)

76 Ola. Ca va?

Ohhh goodie, another rifle I am strongly ambivalent to (if you know what I mean). As my late great gunsmith mate used to say " Ah, a Springfield, the worst copy of the Mauser 98 made." Again another rifle that has a bit of a cult status no real reason. Just MHO. Fire away, tin hat firmly on.

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at May 17, 2020 07:45 PM (bgJ0E)

77 Duncanthrax, you are too kind.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 17, 2020 07:45 PM (ROyNt)

78 And it looks as if you have got TelePrompTer Totus working in fine fashion.
Mrs. Red says, "I think he (Weasel) is very smart."
And she remembers hearing WeaselDog on the background when we spoke on the phone.

Posted by: RI Red at May 17, 2020 07:46 PM (yPMyp)

79 Anna Puma that 'a work is never finished, it just escapes' whoa. That is....well....my suspenders just failed......you are a poet.

Posted by: Eromero at May 17, 2020 07:47 PM (XhWtx)

80 That guy really hates Hi Points.

I've always wanted a Springfield. Not enough to buy one I guess. Priorities ya know.

Posted by: freaked at May 17, 2020 07:47 PM (Tnijr)

81 69 What are people today getting for a standard, arsenal refurbished Springfield 03? I've had a chance to pick one up, but I don't know enough about them to justify the prices they seem to command.
Posted by: PacosMojo at May 17, 2020 07:42 PM (a3arV)
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I'm not sure what the current prices are. I bought this one from a dealer in the northeast years ago and got it at a decent price ($800?) partly because of the low number I think.

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 07:47 PM (MVjcR)

82 Canadian Snowbirds jet crashes into house, seems pilot ejected safely.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52701421

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 17, 2020 07:47 PM (9kruo)

83 Thanks for the ammo links Weasel- one of sons bought a sweet .22 a month ago and he and his brothers have been sending a lot of rounds through it. This'll save them some bucks.

Looking forward to lots of hasenpfeffer this fall!

Posted by: Dad of Six at May 17, 2020 07:48 PM (LKJk6)

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Or I get sick of it and want to just be done with it already.

But your mileage may vary.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 17, 2020 07:40 PM (cfSRQ)
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Some of this, too!

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 07:49 PM (MVjcR)

85 Since I can't watch the video will someone translate for me on the Cowboy action shooting?

Posted by: Ben Had at May 17, 2020 07:50 PM (ROyNt)

86 Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at May 17, 2020 07:45 PM (bgJ0E)
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Did you see the Garand video a few weeks back? I did the tribute portion to J.C. Garand mostly with you in mind!

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 07:51 PM (MVjcR)

87 Late to the thread. Watched the entire destroy a Hi Point vid.

I have a number of these disposable guns as I call them. The tests did just about what I expected. It's hard to destroy an anvil.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 17, 2020 07:51 PM (2DOZq)

88 The Mauser lawsuit always cracks me up since it truly proves the US judicial system.

US lawyer, "but your Honor, we're at war with the Huns!"

Judge, "I don't care, pay them."

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 17, 2020 07:52 PM (9kruo)

89 I see the comments about how late the thread is. Well, considering I've been able to post twice below comment 200 something, I think it's a good time to post the thread. I was watching the live stream of Arizona Ghostriders today on You Tube. Santee had a gun guru today talking about quite a few Old West firearms. Some people here might find it an interesting site. I'll let him know so he isn't shocked if you all start showing up there....

Posted by: OrangeEnt at May 17, 2020 07:52 PM (0jfkF)

90 Now that we're all here, I have dreadful news to report.

Having obtained access to a range at a secure, undisclosed location, I was finally able to test out an Astra 300. This is a rather obscure Spanish firearm chambered in .380 auto from the late 1920s. The Condor Legion in Spain was equipped with them and once Germany gained overland acces to Spain, imported something like 80,000 of these.

They go for at least $1,000 if they have the Waffenampt mark.

Anyways, with great trepidation I got to finally sample this fine example of Spanish craftsmanship. Those who drop in on the book thread know I'm a Spanish Civil War obsessive, so this was a Big Moment, since the weapon in question was built in 1931 so was likely a veteran of that conflict.

I fired it, and it was seriously jumpy, because pure blowback. The mag came loose, and I realized my pinky had hit the button, so I adjusted my grip. It was a handful, but still cool, and then...plastic.
Plastic coming out of the magazine well when I switched magazines.
*The grips were disintegrating!!!*
So very very sad.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 17, 2020 07:52 PM (cfSRQ)

91 78 And it looks as if you have got TelePrompTer Totus working in fine fashion.
Mrs. Red says, "I think he (Weasel) is very smart."
And she remembers hearing WeaselDog on the background when we spoke on the phone.
Posted by: RI Red at May 17, 2020 07:46 PM (yPMyp)
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Thanks, but I have a ton of work to do with the teleprompter. I need to summarize my shit rather than scripting so it doesn't look like I'm reading.

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 07:53 PM (MVjcR)

92 That wasn't plastic, but I bet Bakelite

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 17, 2020 07:54 PM (9kruo)

93 Posted by: Dad of Six at May 17, 2020 07:48 PM (LKJk6)
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My pleasure, and welcome!!

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 07:55 PM (MVjcR)

94 Have we reviewed this one on the gun thread yet?
https://youtu.be/vaPyCFq-A8k

Posted by: Downcast at May 17, 2020 07:55 PM (xgpfE)

95 The U.S. entered WWI with insufficient rifles to arm the troops so production had to be increased and that meant adding shifts at the arsenals.

So, next week we get a video on the M1917. Right?

Posted by: Braenyard at May 17, 2020 07:56 PM (DGSWO)

96 great job and video as usual Weasel. You obviously don't have to say but I am guessing your place is in the 540.

I don't have an 03 but i do have a modified Mauser in 7x57.

as for that 1911, I am trying to place it but I have not been into that world in some time. It has had some work done but only a minimum amount. Good decision for the owner not to trick it up.

Posted by: Quint at May 17, 2020 07:56 PM (hHxp2)

97 91 Thanks, but I have a ton of work to do with the teleprompter. I need to
summarize my shit rather than scripting so it doesn't look like I'm
reading. Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 07:53 PM (MVjcR)

Oh, that's what I saw, I thought you were protecting us by doing your report behind a Chinese Flu shield.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at May 17, 2020 07:57 PM (0jfkF)

98 92
That wasn't plastic, but I bet Bakelite

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 17, 2020 07:54 PM (9kruo)

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Yeah, but it gave me the sadz to watch it flake apart.

We quickly cleared it and set it aside, and though the rest of the afternoon passed pleasantly (the Dreyse M1907 is turning into an ammo-chugging BEAST), I would look mournfully at it from time to time.

So sad.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 17, 2020 07:57 PM (cfSRQ)

99

So, next week we get a video on the M1917. Right?
Posted by: Braenyard at May 17, 2020 07:56 PM (DGSWO)
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Probably take a couple of weeks, but I can do the M1917 next, no problemo!

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 07:57 PM (MVjcR)

100 City of Chicago conducts what has to be one of the largest auto heists in history, all in the name of persecuting Christians.
https://preview.tinyurl.com/y8p8b2y9

Posted by: Methos at May 17, 2020 07:58 PM (kOpft)

101 56 42
Oh HERE it is! Hiding the gun thread from us just isn't cricket, old chap!

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 17, 2020 07:29 PM (NWiLs)

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If you haven't bought that Bren Ten yet, you may consider something in .40.

The only handgun ammo that is plentiful around here is .40.

Weird how stuff is super-popular and then shunned.

Don't have the Bren Ten. I do have several handguns in .40. Of course I have .22, .357, 9mm and .45ACP covered as well.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 17, 2020 07:58 PM (NWiLs)

102 76 ... "Ah, a Springfield, the worst copy of the Mauser 98 made."

Hi NZFrank,

I've never handled a 98 Mauser. What makes it better than the '03 Springfield? No snark, genuine curiosity.

Posted by: JTB at May 17, 2020 07:59 PM (7EjX1)

103
Oh, that's what I saw, I thought you were protecting us by doing your report behind a Chinese Flu shield.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at May 17, 2020 07:57 PM (0jfkF)
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Yeah. At some point I had something smeared on the UV filter too.

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 07:59 PM (MVjcR)

104 I have a hard-on for a Browning Hi-Power. Yeah don't remind me I bought one new in the early 70s for less that $200 and let it slip away somehow. I want nay lust for one. I have the money and know where to buy one but feel obligated to spend on other things. I'm pathetic.

Posted by: Eromero at May 17, 2020 07:59 PM (XhWtx)

105 York was issued an Enfield ( in 30.06) but was able to trade for a Springfield 1903. His 1911 though is what saved him.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 17, 2020 07:59 PM (2DOZq)

106 Lloyd,

Found some plastic replacement grips on eBay
https://preview.tinyurl.com/ybnmyw25

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 17, 2020 08:00 PM (9kruo)

107 Posted by: Quint at May 17, 2020 07:56 PM (hHxp2)
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Hi Quint - not sure I get the reference to 540.

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 08:00 PM (MVjcR)

108 86 Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at May 17, 2020 07:45 PM (bgJ0E)
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Did you see the Garand video a few weeks back? I did the tribute portion to J.C. Garand mostly with you in mind!
Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 07:51 PM (MVjcR)

Yes I did see it, very well done sir. I was biting my tongue and resisted the temptation to bash the keyboard. I mean I love my Springfield made Gee rand, because they are fun to play with, but so hard to get consistently accurate. Rifles that do not shoot well, I tend to not rate highly for obvious reasons. To be honest both the '03 and the M1 are rifles I collect but not really shoot. They infuriate me, but I like them.

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at May 17, 2020 08:02 PM (bgJ0E)

109
I have a hard-on for a Browning Hi-Power. Yeah don't remind me I bought
one new in the early 70s for less that $200 and let it slip away
somehow. I want nay lust for one. I have the money and know where to buy
one but feel obligated to spend on other things. I'm pathetic.

Posted by: Eromero at May 17, 2020 07:59 PM (XhWtx)

i sold a mark 2 that had a broken glass trigger with no creep. To be honest, i have regretted most firearm sales but that was the one I regret the most.

Posted by: Quint at May 17, 2020 08:02 PM (hHxp2)

110 i HAD a low number Springfield...

i sent it to Jim, SND for a birfday present.

not sure where he is in the rebuilding process.

and i just bid on the Norinco, and am currently the high bidder.

back after i win.

Posted by: redc1c4 at May 17, 2020 08:02 PM (5kusT)

111

I just watched the video of the Springfield and in particular the action of the bolt.

It looks smooth as butter. Did anyone do work on it, or is it simply that well broke in?

Posted by: irongrampa at May 17, 2020 08:02 PM (KATBx)

112 Plastic coming out of the magazine well when I switched magazines.
*The grips were disintegrating!!!*
So very very sad.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 17, 2020 07:52 PM (cfSRQ)

Bugger!

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at May 17, 2020 08:03 PM (bgJ0E)

113 Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at May 17, 2020 08:02 PM (bgJ0E)
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Ha! Thanks brother.

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 08:03 PM (MVjcR)

114 What are people today getting for a standard, arsenal refurbished Springfield 03

$1000 - $1200 seems pretty typical around here. I saw an A3 at the Tulsa gun show a couple of years ago for $750 but the seller was a C&R FFL and would only sell to another C&R.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at May 17, 2020 08:03 PM (qc+VF)

115 I think we drilled with those Springfields in Navy Boot Camp 1971 Great Lakes.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 17, 2020 08:03 PM (aKsyK)

116 Good video, nice grouping, what was the distance?

Posted by: GnuBreed at May 17, 2020 08:03 PM (Z4rgH)

117 This week was the great Colt SP-1 vs. Springfield SAR-4800 FAL in 5.56mm shoot off. No need to discuss the Colt, it is basically a M16A1 with a semi only fire control group. Great rifle.

The SAR-4800 in 5.56mm, however is a funny story. Made in Brazil, Springfield imported them back in the day and it had a funny bell shaped faux flash suppressor and thumbhole stock which the previous owner thankfully dispensed with. I believe about 700 were brought into the country.
It is basically a standard FAL but with a 5.56mm barrel and bolt face cut to 5.56mm. Imbel made and solid as a tank. It takes standard AR mags thanks to a welded in mag well. The Brazilian police and some military units still use some type of this FAL to my knowledge.

The SAR is a few pounds heavier than the Colt, but I didn't mind. The Colt just flat out shoots and is very easy to handle. The SAR ran just fine but is a little bit of work to do reloads and the sights are just ok.

With the extra weight, the recoil is negligible with the SAR and the gas system let me tune it down until I got it just right.

The Colt edged out the SAR out from 100/200/300/400/500/600 yards but the SAR felt better the more I shot it. I gave the nod to the Colt but the SAR more than held it's own.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 17, 2020 08:04 PM (Z+IKu)

118 Posted by: Quint at May 17, 2020 07:56 PM (hHxp2)

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Hi Quint - not sure I get the reference to 540.

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 08:00 PM (MVjcR)

oh no biggie. I was just talking area codes. I know some people with land in that area that shoot and for some reason I guessed WeaselAcres was in that area code. It seems like a cool place and you do a great job my man.

Posted by: Quint at May 17, 2020 08:04 PM (hHxp2)

119 "City of Chicago conducts what has to be one of the largest auto heists in history, all in the name of persecuting Christians."

That's insane. These people have to be removed from power.

Posted by: freaked at May 17, 2020 08:04 PM (Tnijr)

120
I just watched the video of the Springfield and in particular the action of the bolt.

It looks smooth as butter. Did anyone do work on it, or is it simply that well broke in?
Posted by: irongrampa at May 17, 2020 08:02 PM (KATBx)
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It's very smooth. Just lots of honest wear, I think. I'd also put grease on it before that sequence but it's pretty smooth!

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 08:05 PM (MVjcR)

121 I had a couple of excellent days at the range. But the good news is I'm getting #8 of Shooters World Match Rifle on Tuesday. I backordered it a couple of weeks ago. Mid South has it for $150 and with shipping and various government bribes it comes to $188. Locally I pay $227 for the popular brands so I'm hoping it works out. Tried out some Speer 130gr .308 varmint, very accurate but drop out of the sky after about 300 yds.

Posted by: ck at May 17, 2020 08:07 PM (Gf0Po)

122 02 76 ... "Ah, a Springfield, the worst copy of the Mauser 98 made."

Hi NZFrank,

I've never handled a 98 Mauser. What makes it better than the '03 Springfield? No snark, genuine curiosity.
Posted by: JTB at May 17, 2020 07:59 PM (7EjX1)

As a rule of thumb, the quality of build and the receiver hardening of the early ones. Hold the two side by side and the quality difference is clear, especially if you have inter war models to compare. I feel that aesthetically that the Mausers are pretty and the '03 is just plain ugly in comparison.

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at May 17, 2020 08:08 PM (bgJ0E)

123 Have we reviewed this one on the gun thread yet?
https://youtu.be/vaPyCFq-A8k

Yeah, that's pretty much how a real machine gun burns dollar bills.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at May 17, 2020 08:08 PM (qc+VF)

124 116 Good video, nice grouping, what was the distance?
Posted by: GnuBreed at May 17, 2020 08:03 PM (Z4rgH)
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Right around 100 yards. Not my best work, and if I have one complaint about the rifle it's with the rear sight. I cut out a whole section of the video on the battle sight but I find the leaf sight a little easier to use.

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 08:09 PM (MVjcR)

125 I think we drilled with those Springfields in Navy Boot Camp 1971 Great Lakes.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 17, 2020 08:03 PM (aKsyK)

that wouldn't surprise me even a tiny bit. They still use the m 14 for certain drill purposes. Sure the M1 was a better weapon in many ways but it would be interesting to see how much of a difference it made. I believe the Germans still issued bolt actions in ww2 to main line troops.

Posted by: Quint at May 17, 2020 08:09 PM (hHxp2)

126 Thanks Weasel and Bob. $1,000 doesn't seem out of line.

Posted by: PacosMojo at May 17, 2020 08:10 PM (ivZ+f)

127 Fun fact. The ordnance depot at Springfield was established in 1777. Henry Knox recommended it and George Washington along with the Continental Congress concurred. The first arms they turned out were 1795 Muskets.

Posted by: Hesco Gypsy, staring from 457 meters at May 17, 2020 08:10 PM (IjL0V)

128 Gun Thread, well done Weasel.

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at May 17, 2020 08:10 PM (dMJEF)

129

Hi Quint - not sure I get the reference to 540.

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 08:00 PM (MVjcR)

oh no biggie. I was just talking area codes. I know some people with land in that area that shoot and for some reason I guessed WeaselAcres was in that area code. It seems like a cool place and you do a great job my man.
Posted by: Quint at May 17, 2020 08:04 PM (hHxp2)
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Uh! Of course!! Absolutely in the 540!

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 08:10 PM (MVjcR)

130 106
Lloyd,

Found some plastic replacement grips on eBay
https://preview.tinyurl.com/ybnmyw25

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 17, 2020 08:00 PM (9kruo)

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Thanks, I appreciate it.

I couldn't go to bed without ordering replacements, so they're already on the way.

This, by the way, is why I'm completely uninterested in beautiful, flawless, *mint condition* historical firearms.

If you decided to shoot them, nothing good can come from it.

Whereas if you are dealing with worn, mismatched ones, where parts have been swapped out, you don't feel so bad if something else breaks.

See also: Mauser C96 built out of spare parts. Also: beater M1907 Dreyse.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 17, 2020 08:10 PM (cfSRQ)

131 I I win the megawhatever I'm gittin' me one them class III license.

Posted by: Eromero at May 17, 2020 08:11 PM (XhWtx)

132 Having obtained access to a range at a secure, undisclosed location, I was finally able to test out an Astra 300.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 17, 2020 07:52 PM (cfSRQ)

You Sir, have great taste. One of the pistols left on my "get" list is a 300.

Saw one at a local gun shop a few months ago for $1200 but I was not prepared to buy it as I was quite shocked to see one sitting in the case.

Sorry about the grips.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 17, 2020 08:11 PM (Z+IKu)

133 The primary Wehrmacht infantry weapon was still the Mauser KAR 98k in WWII. The MP40 and the Sturmgewher get the press but the Mauser was what they went to war with and fought with.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 17, 2020 08:11 PM (9kruo)

134 My overall takeaway from the Miculek video: Don't be downrange from Mr. Miculek if you're doing something that might make him peckish.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 17, 2020 08:13 PM (DMUuz)

135 If anyone is EVER nearby, visit the Springfield Armory.

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 08:13 PM (MVjcR)

136 In addition to the platforms like the '03 Springfield, Garand, M1917, etc., the 30-06 is an wonderfully versatile cartridge, especialy in a bolt action. It can be loaded with a 310 round ball and pinch of pistol powder for a gallery load. Or reduced power cast bullet rounds. It can handle little 110 grain bullets or much heavier projectiles. It works with cast or jacketed bullets. And it can function with old style, readily available powders like Unique, Red Dot, 4895, and many more.

Posted by: JTB at May 17, 2020 08:14 PM (7EjX1)

137 128 Gun Thread, well done Weasel.
Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at May 17, 2020 08:10 PM (dMJEF)
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Thanks, QID!

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 08:14 PM (MVjcR)

138 Smooth bolt action ever is the 1898 Krag.

Posted by: Javems at May 17, 2020 08:14 PM (ofIwF)

139 I have twin SC 03A3s. Both from 43. Excellent shooters both with just the original aperture iron sights.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 17, 2020 08:14 PM (yQpMk)

140 This, by the way, is why I'm completely uninterested in beautiful, flawless, *mint condition* historical firearms.

Which is why I could never fire the one 1903A3 I have ever owned. Oct 43 Smith Corona with Remington receiver and still had 70% to 80% of the proof marks on the wood furniture. Ended up selling it to a gun dealer.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 17, 2020 08:15 PM (9kruo)

141 This, by the way, is why I'm completely uninterested in beautiful, flawless, *mint condition* historical firearms.

I don't buy hardly anything new. It's like buying a new truck and weeping the first time you drop a ciderblock in the bed.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 17, 2020 08:17 PM (yQpMk)

142 Guess should post this, photo of the 1903A3 in question

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y8szxnxj

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 17, 2020 08:18 PM (9kruo)

143 I have a hard-on for a Browning Hi-Power. Yeah don't
remind me I bought one new in the early 70s for less that $200 and let
it slip away somehow. I want nay lust for one. I have the money and know
where to buy one but feel obligated to spend on other things. I'm
pathetic.

Posted by: Eromero at May 17, 2020 07:59 PM (XhWtx)
Sorry but you should be reminded at least once in a while. I kid, but it is pretty amazing how some things shoot up in value and we could never predict it. Speaking of Hi Power's, Beverly Hills Cop was on tv last night.

Posted by: Quint at May 17, 2020 08:19 PM (hHxp2)

144 Ok, I went and checked. The Cowboy shooting I am familiar with is shooting at targets from horse back at a flat out run.

Standing on the ground. eh.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 17, 2020 08:19 PM (ROyNt)

145 You Sir, have great taste. One of the pistols left on my "get" list is a 300.

Saw one at a local gun shop a few months ago for $1200 but I was not
prepared to buy it as I was quite shocked to see one sitting in the
case.

Sorry about the grips.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 17, 2020 08:11 PM (Z+IKu)

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Yeah, I wish I could relate more about the experience of shooting it, but it came to an abrupt stop.

One of the things I've learned is to *always* bring a modern firearm in case my vintage ones crap out. Nothing worse than going to the range and having your Dreyse decide it's not going to rest the trigger while the follower spring on the C96 gives out.

My "backup" in .380 was a Walther PK 380, which gives the lie to the myth that I'm revolver-centric. It's wonderfully ergonomic and after I dried my tears, we had a marvelous time plinking half-pint milk cartons refilled with water.

Reactive targets are a hoot.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 17, 2020 08:19 PM (cfSRQ)

146 Guy from Demolition Ranch strikes me as not funny or edgy- just kind of stupid.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 17, 2020 08:20 PM (A5zUN)

147 135 If anyone is EVER nearby, visit the Springfield Armory.
Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 08:13 PM (MVjcR)

I visited the Browning Museum in Utah, very well done, has part of his original workshop and a very good collection of most of his models. A very good museum and worth the visit. I was talking to the curator, as that's one thing I do also, and he showed me the latest acquisition. It was the part,s mostly complete, of Browning's first self loading rifle based on a lever action. Springfield Armoury had had it in a junk room and were going to throw it out but not knowing it was a Browning item, passed it along to the people in Utah as a curiosity. The Museum guy was over the moon.

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at May 17, 2020 08:21 PM (bgJ0E)

148 Gubz!

Shooting from horseback sounds very cool. If I had a horse, knew how to ride, knew how to ride and shoot, and had a place locally that did it, I'd do it. So.

I've actually never seen cowboy action live. I know many participants spend far more on their duds (authentic reproductions of clothes and gear) than on their shootin' irons.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 17, 2020 08:21 PM (El6T/)

149 Lloyd, while waiting for the replacement grips to come in time for a detailed cleaning of the Astra to make sure nothing else goes awry?

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 17, 2020 08:21 PM (9kruo)

150 Canadian Snowbirds jet crashes into house, seems pilot ejected safely.

WTF are they flying? It looks Korean War vintage.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 17, 2020 08:22 PM (gd9RK)

151 Great video, Weasel

Range update: M1 match this next Saturday.

Really looking forward to it.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 17, 2020 08:22 PM (WEBkv)

152 Guy from Demolition Ranch strikes me as not funny or edgy- just kind of stupid.

and rich.

Stupid Rich is the worst rich.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 17, 2020 08:22 PM (yQpMk)

153 103 Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 07:59 PM (MVjcR)

Oh! I thought it was just for the beauty shot.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at May 17, 2020 08:22 PM (0jfkF)

154 And .... the 1903. The only rifle - aside from the various AR platform builds I hope to do eventually - that I really want right now, and just "missed" - prices on them skyrocketed just a while after I was in a situation where I could start buying and shootin'.

I don't know them, but never see what appears to be a "good" one for under $800, for a few years now (not that I'm keeping a keen watch, but I do check occasionally).

Posted by: rhomboid at May 17, 2020 08:23 PM (El6T/)

155 With Canada going full commie, any chance all those Polytech and Norinco M1A clones, VZ 58's and AR-180B's coming south for a sell-a-thon?

A man can dream.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 17, 2020 08:24 PM (Z+IKu)

156 Bander

The CT-114 Tutor

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadair_CT-114_Tutor

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 17, 2020 08:24 PM (9kruo)

157 Canadian Snowbirds jet crashes into house, seems pilot ejected safely.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52701421

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 17, 2020 07:47 PM (9kruo)

He landed on the roof of a nearby house and sustained serious injuries. The parachute had barely opened by the time it was passing the tops of the trees.

The Snowbirds' Public Affairs Officer was also on the plane and is dead. From what I've read (I have no interest in watching the video) only the pilot ejected.

Posted by: Vendette at May 17, 2020 08:24 PM (6j2Bg)

158 I would love an 03 Springfield. Though, gotta admit, I'm not great with bolt guns, especially with iron sights nowadays.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 17, 2020 08:24 PM (d1uFV)

159 Ok, I went and checked. The Cowboy shooting I am familiar with is shooting at targets from horse back at a flat out run.

Standing on the ground. eh.

Hi, Ben Had! Mounted Cowboy Action Shooting looks like a ton of fun but the horsey part of the gear is kind of a blocker for a lot of us. At least you only need to feed the guns when you take them out to play with them. And their droppings can be recycled easier too.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at May 17, 2020 08:24 PM (qc+VF)

160 Back when we were ruining (for collector purposes) a lot of M98 Mausers by "sporterizing" them, the 8mm/06 round came into vogue. Simply put, rechamber a 7.92X57 with a 3006 reamer, fireform the 06 brass, and load with 8mm bullets. It was actually a good cartridge, and you find examples out there today.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at May 17, 2020 08:24 PM (C1Lsn)

161
Gubz!

Shooting from horseback sounds very cool. If I had a horse, knew how
to ride, knew how to ride and shoot, and had a place locally that did
it, I'd do it. So.

I've actually never seen cowboy action live. I know many
participants spend far more on their duds (authentic reproductions of
clothes and gear) than on their shootin' irons.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 17, 2020 08:21 PM (El6T/)

check out Jim Gaffigan on horses on youtube. Lot of great horse info there.

Posted by: Quint at May 17, 2020 08:24 PM (hHxp2)

162 138 Smooth bolt action ever is the 1898 Krag.
Posted by: Javems at May 17, 2020 08:14 PM (ofIwF)

Disagree, bigly. Schultz and Larsen Model 65. Rear locker, like a big bank vault door closing. Krags are thought smooth only because they are worn smooth not made smooth.

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at May 17, 2020 08:25 PM (bgJ0E)

163 Oh that's awful about the Snowbirds crash. I've seen them once, at Miramar, I think, or elsewhere.

It's the price of doing business. Blues had a fatality 2 (?) years ago, during a practice session.

Sad.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 17, 2020 08:25 PM (El6T/)

164 I would love to try cowboy action shooting. THe only thing I "know" about it is they usually download their rounds so that they can score better. That is probably the opposite of what real cowboys did way back when but it does make sense.

Posted by: Quint at May 17, 2020 08:26 PM (hHxp2)

165 On the right hip, primary weapon in .45 ACP or 9mm, on the left ankle Ruger LCP .357, like the wife unit carrying an extra tampon just in case. It is known.

Posted by: Eromero at May 17, 2020 08:26 PM (XhWtx)

166 149
Lloyd, while waiting for the replacement grips to come in time for a
detailed cleaning of the Astra to make sure nothing else goes awry?

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 17, 2020 08:21 PM (9kruo)

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Yep, but mechanically it seemed to run well. The Bakelite was past its expiration date, apparently. Based on the overall condition of the weapon, it had seen some hard times, but seemed nice and tight.

One thing a friend pointed out to me: the Astra 300 has the slide *inside* the frame, like a CZ-75. It's very slick. I get why the Krauts decided they liked them. Compact and smooth.

Can't wait to get another try.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 17, 2020 08:26 PM (cfSRQ)

167 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 17, 2020 08:10 PM (cfSRQ)
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As the owner of an SMLE, K31 and M1 Garand, I agree. My M1's are in good shape, but far from parts correct. I bought them to shoot, not look at.

Same with the SMLE and K31. They are rough around the edges but that's fine, because they're for shooting, not hanging on a wall.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 17, 2020 08:26 PM (WEBkv)

168 Ouch!

Sad to hear the PAO died and the pilot was injured.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 17, 2020 08:28 PM (9kruo)

169 bill in AR, very cool, never heard about those (8mm/06). Very practical. With all the surplus 8mm that I thought was around until a few years ago, I would have thought that conversion wouldn't be worth the trouble, though.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 17, 2020 08:28 PM (El6T/)

170 Saw the Snowbirds video, looks like the eject seat fired towards the ground, very sad. Engine must have flamed out or something.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 17, 2020 08:29 PM (q3gwH)

171 I am jealous, you're shooting iron sights without glasses. I had outstanding vision until 50, 16 years ago. Weasel Dog got my doggie's going at the end of the video haha.

Posted by: ck at May 17, 2020 08:29 PM (Gf0Po)

172 I bagged my first deer at 15 years old with an '03 Springfield I borrowed from my great uncle. Great rifle. He collected guns, so he had several.

When I was in the Army in Alaska I spent some of my off-duty time at a place called Alaskaland in Fairbanks. I played a gunslinger for the tourists. I wore cowboy clothing and had a low-slung quick-draw holster with a .22 caliber RG single actions revolver. We used blanks, of course. But we had fast-draw competitions where we would fire wax loads at balloons. Great fun. And free beer.

Posted by: Elric at May 17, 2020 08:30 PM (oSDkQ)

173 The action shooting on horseback is a set # of targets 10/12 and is a timed event also. Targets are set so that you have to shoot both left and right. Hit as many as you can as fast as you can.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 17, 2020 08:30 PM (ROyNt)

174 Ok, quick range report, and MoMe impromptu report and I'll start reading the thread:

This week was not as great as last week's range trip. I was trying triple taps and my muscle memory does NOT want to go from double taps to triple. Nope, nope, nope. Terrible group sizes and ragged shot strings. Over and over I'd get two good bangs, then a hesitation and a trigger jerk. I suck at it. So, more training needed.

I did wind things up with some slow-ish fire where one more trigger jerk ruined a 50 shot string into the 10 ring by giving me a flyer into the 9.

All of the above was with the CZ P-07, with the kadet adapter and 50 full power 9mm rounds at the end.

I then put 50 more rounds, this time in .380 out of the very mild recoiling Glock 42. I was aiming for eye level and putting just about everything into the nose and mouth of the target. Still not what someone would like to receive lead but it's odd how far off I was hitting from where I was aiming. I blame the very very small grip of the G42, which may be making me push the rounds down as I fire and try to keep my fingers from falling off the pistol. The Nurse is far more accurate with her G42.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 17, 2020 08:31 PM (d1uFV)

175 The '03 Springfield is dead sexy - gorgeous lines.

Posted by: butch at May 17, 2020 08:31 PM (hXu8T)

176 Those Canadians looked to be flying A-37 Dragonflys.

Probably bought used from Vietnam.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 17, 2020 08:32 PM (Z+IKu)

177 I learned the MOA and drill in military band camp in '68 with the "03 Springfield. Holy cow those things were heavy. Close order drill was sometimes pretty bloody early on especially when the DI would start mixing thing up. Double to the rear, to the right-flank, counter-march...MARCH!!!! .....Whack!!!!!

Ugh.

There are videos of the real pro exhibition drill teams out there that are amazing. Used to see those live in competition.

Posted by: pawn at May 17, 2020 08:32 PM (PveK5)

178 171 I am jealous, you're shooting iron sights without glasses. I had outstanding vision until 50, 16 years ago. Weasel Dog got my doggie's going at the end of the video haha.
Posted by: ck at May 17, 2020 08:29 PM (Gf0Po)
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From that raggedy group maybe I should be wearing them!

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 08:32 PM (MVjcR)

179 More details about the Snowbirds crash (not suppertime reading), from the local newspaper:

https://tinyurl.com/yco8rd75

Posted by: Vendette at May 17, 2020 08:32 PM (6j2Bg)

180 Oh, MoMe report...

The Nurse decided she needed some civil disobedience and a dozen or so fellow rebels also decided to head into the arid part of WA state for some bourbon sipping and enjoyment of the natural beauty.

It was a good time. I took off after 4 hours or so because my dog can't take care of himself at home. The wife came along too and said 'it was ok'. I'll take what I can get.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 17, 2020 08:32 PM (d1uFV)

181 Just hope the RCAF does not disband the Snowbirds but I can see Justine doing exactly that on the pretext the CT-114s are too old to safely maintain while ignoring the RCAF now has BaE Hawks on strength in the trainer role.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 17, 2020 08:32 PM (9kruo)

182 Grump, thanks for the Field Manual language re elevation adjustment fix on the M1 you gave this week. I looked around a bit in addition to that, and still not quite sure about the proper "fix". Problem: elevation knob on M1 coming loose.

I could easily get a whole elevator knob, or both knobs, to simply replace it, and also there are spares to "repair" the pinion. One question - terminology. The "pinion" is the elevation knob and its parts?

The FM instruction you provided puzzles me a bit - bit about "respreading" the end of the pinion. Guessing that's something not visible, inside the elevator knob assembly?

Posted by: rhomboid at May 17, 2020 08:33 PM (El6T/)

183 From that raggedy group maybe I should be wearing them!
Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 08:32 PM (MVjcR)
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It was the gun, not the shooter, right?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 17, 2020 08:33 PM (WEBkv)

184 I catered several dinners at Carol Browning's house in Ogden while I was working for Utah Food Services. She has a couple of cool guns hanging on her walls, imagine that!!

Posted by: ck at May 17, 2020 08:33 PM (Gf0Po)

185 183 From that raggedy group maybe I should be wearing them!
Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 08:32 PM (MVjcR)
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It was the gun, not the shooter, right?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 17, 2020 08:33 PM (WEBkv)
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My socks were too tight.

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 08:34 PM (MVjcR)

186
The action shooting on horseback is a set # of targets 10/12 and is a
timed event also. Targets are set so that you have to shoot both left
and right. Hit as many as you can as fast as you can.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 17, 2020 08:30 PM (ROyNt)

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Many years ago, a friend of mine owned horses and I got a free riding lesson. I didn't enjoy it, as the horse had a mind of its own, and I compared it to riding a bicycle where the bike gets a vote.

I've heard horses called a boat that can get sick, and boats called a horse that can sink.

Both seem really expensive compared to a firearm that will cost me nothing as it sits happily at the bottom of a river after I lost it.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 17, 2020 08:34 PM (cfSRQ)

187 Howdy Weasel and my fellow Gun Cranks!! Another Gun Thread!! Hurrah!!
Thanks for sharing my pics. I am not good at telephonic photography. I was hoping to get a good one of the sight 1/8 inch above the slide...
1911 was 1943 made, with a WW2 Colt replacement slide.
Should be shooting this week.
My O3 is an 03A3, 1943 production. It was rebuilt after the war by7 Rock Island Arsenal. When my dad died 6 years ago, he had 2 03A3s, this one and a nice sporter he built as a young guy ca 1960. By nice, I mean well gunsmithed, beautiful blueing, etc. That one went to my brother in Canada since he hunts and I do not. As it happens my roommate wants to try some 200 yard range distance shooting on this range trip, so I will bring the 03A3, and perhaps my 1917 Enfield. She has never shot an actual "Battle Rifle", so it should be interesting.

Posted by: Jesse in DC at May 17, 2020 08:34 PM (ouR/N)

188 My socks were too tight.
Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 08:34 PM (MVjcR)
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Cloud passing over the sun.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 17, 2020 08:34 PM (WEBkv)

189 164 I would love to try cowboy action shooting. THe only thing I "know" about it is they usually download their rounds so that they can score better. That is probably the opposite of what real cowboys did way back when but it does make sense.
Posted by: Quint at May 17, 2020 08:26 PM (hHxp2)

Well, Wild Bill would download his navy sixes, so the bullets wouldn't exit the target. Man was damn accurate with them too, though he could only see out of the corners of his eyes by the time he got murdered in Deadwood.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 17, 2020 08:35 PM (d1uFV)

190 Thanks for the gun thread, and the video about the 1903 rifle. It brings back memories of my childhood. Back in the mid-60s, my Dad bought a government surplus rifle. It came wrapped in brown paper covered in some grease like substance. I remember him cleaning it up, then removing the wood up front, refinishing the stock and having a scope mounted. That became the hunting rifle that he, I, and my brother took hunting for antelope, deer, and elk. Got an antelope at age 14 with it. What I remember most is that it kicked like a mule with 180 grain hunting cartridges.

I was hoping some day to inherit it but I guess my Dad gave his guns away a few years back. Oh well. A lot of great memories of hunting antelope north of Pathfinder reservoir.

Posted by: Pod Hamp at May 17, 2020 08:36 PM (5+wyi)

191 179 More details about the Snowbirds crash (not suppertime reading), from the local newspaper:
https://tinyurl.com/yco8rd75
Posted by: Vendette at May 17, 2020 08:32 PM (6j2Bg)

it's odd they say "at least one ejected". I think you can clearly see both punched out, but they were too close to the ground and pointed the wrong way. The chutes never opened all the way up.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 17, 2020 08:36 PM (q3gwH)

192 Only time I actually shot a Springfield - teenager, junior high age. Just walked to a nearby quarry, in the suburban neighborhood where the jr. high was located, with some friends (boys walking down a main street with a rifle .... non-event). Guys at the quarry, dispatchers for the trucks, barely looked up when we entered and asked if we could go to the back corner to shoot - "sure, stay in the corner".

Suburban neighborhood, major CA city.

125,000 years ago, apparently.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 17, 2020 08:37 PM (El6T/)

193 Posted by: Jesse in DC at May 17, 2020 08:34 PM (ouR/N
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Thank YOU!

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 08:37 PM (MVjcR)

194 Thanks, Weasel. Great, as always.

Whenever the topic of the '03 comes up, I tiresomely repost this link to the sniper scene in 'Saving Private Ryan'. There are two notable aspects (at least). One is that the rifle is fitted with the later Unertle 8x scope, rather than one of the earlier-used Weavers. Prior to the canoe accident, a close friend had one of those.

The second thing is the fact that the guy behind the gun is left handed. Watch him operating the bolt. I would *really* like to know if the screenwriters purposely made that the case. Almost certainly so, but aside from folk like us, who would notice, or care? Moreover, who would add such a quirky aspect? Interesting.

Anyhow, F/F to 1:00 https://tinyurl.com/nbvnhv2

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 17, 2020 08:37 PM (hnA3K)

195 Just chiming in to say these gub threads are the best on the 'net, well done, Weasel!

Posted by: navybrat, at large at May 17, 2020 08:37 PM (w7KSn)

196 169 Back when surplus rifles were dirt cheap and in abundance, there were a lot of things done that didn't make much sense. This was one of the better ideas. Speaking of sporter military rifles, between ww1 and ww2, large numbers of 03s became sporters, some very nicely by high end shops. One of the first variations of the 03 to be surplused out was the Mk1, with ejection cutout for the Pedersen device. You would occasionally see a 20s or 30s vintage Springfield sporter with that cutout on the left side filled in.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at May 17, 2020 08:38 PM (C1Lsn)

197 A.H. Lloyd, a very common experience for a whole lot of people.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 17, 2020 08:38 PM (ROyNt)

198
125,000 years ago, apparently.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 17, 2020 08:37 PM (El6T/)
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I took an inert grenade to school for show and tell once.

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 08:39 PM (+MY+1)

199 Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 17, 2020 08:37 PM (hnA3K)
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I watched that scene with fascination because the guy operating the bolt was a whiz. The guy certainly put in the practice to become proficient.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 17, 2020 08:39 PM (WEBkv)

200 If the witness accounts are correct, plane suddenly pitching up does not sound like engine failure. Wonder if they got a bird strike.

Judging by that one photo; only the T-tail, one of the engine extension tubes, and most of the wing still exist. Everything else looks to be gone.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 17, 2020 08:39 PM (9kruo)

201 For those interested in Cowboy Action Shooting, there are a bunch of videos on Youtube about it. John Taffin wrote a book about some years ago, long out of print, about it.

The horseback competition is interesting but I don't ride. And at my size the horses are just as glad.

Posted by: JTB at May 17, 2020 08:40 PM (7EjX1)

202 I would love to try cowboy action shooting. THe only thing I "know"
about it is they usually download their rounds so that they can score
better. That is probably the opposite of what real cowboys did way back
when but it does make sense.

Posted by: Quint at May 17, 2020 08:26 PM (hHxp2)

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You'll probably not be shocked to learn that fencers do not actually used sharpened, full-sized sword blades to compete.

Still, within the rules it can be challenging all the same.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 17, 2020 08:40 PM (cfSRQ)

203 Range report:
"Interesting" day.
Ladder testing ReLoder 17 with 129 g hornady sst today. Couldn't see the first load.
Because my scope was cranked up 2 zeros. Rookie mistake. Next two ladders were the best standard deviation and spread I've ever loaded: 7 and 15. But accuracy was only 1 MOA.
Then said F it and went to 300. Hit 6" steel without hesitation.
I love shooting.

Posted by: RI Red at May 17, 2020 08:40 PM (yPMyp)

204 Again, great thread, thanks, weasel!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 17, 2020 08:40 PM (WEBkv)

205 Posted by: Pod Hamp at May 17, 2020 08:36 PM (5+wyi)
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My pleasure. Thanks for sharing your story!

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 08:41 PM (MVjcR)

206 Weasel, ha! Today both of us would be nationally famous, with 100s of SWAT heroes swarming the area, and new legislation introduced to "fix" the problem.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 17, 2020 08:41 PM (El6T/)

207 Morons are awesome people.

Range was awesome. I putmy first shot dead center and told Mark. "Ok, im done!"

Still shot more and was dead on. Felt good.

Morons drove for 2-4 hours and hundreds of miles to hang out, trade stories, see each others faces and hug.

If youre in a shut down state, just send out a signal.
It is worth it.

Love yall. Smooches.

Posted by: nurse ratched at May 17, 2020 08:41 PM (U2p+3)

208 195 Just chiming in to say these gub threads are the best on the 'net, well done, Weasel!
Posted by: navybrat, at large at May 17, 2020 08:37 PM (w7KSn)
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You all are WAY too kind! Thank you.

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 08:42 PM (MVjcR)

209 Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 17, 2020 08:40 PM (WEBkv)
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Happy to do it. Thanks blake!

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 08:43 PM (+MY+1)

210 Fuck.
Just got sniped again in an auction.
I was bidding on a Scattergun Technologies TR-870, fully pimped with light, sidesaddle and bitching sights.

Fuck.

Keeps happening. Fucking thing sold for $700....arg.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 17, 2020 08:44 PM (d1uFV)

211 I think I've seen in WWII (Great Patriotic War)-era training materials that Red Army soldiers firing from cover/trenches were instructed to do the left-handed bolt thing, to keep some of their sight-orientation between shots. I've tried it, it helps a bit, but requires good habits - like moving your rear thumb out of the way to avoid being mashed by the bolt.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 17, 2020 08:44 PM (El6T/)

212 Posted by: nurse ratched at May 17, 2020 08:41 PM (U2p+3)
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Hi nurse r!!

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 08:44 PM (MVjcR)

213
Keeps happening. Fucking thing sold for $700....arg.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 17, 2020 08:44 PM (d1uFV)
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Bummer.

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 08:45 PM (+MY+1)

214 I note for all the Hi Point Haters out there that that's what the guy used for the base for his "tests".

And the reason is obvious for anyone that's seen one up close (the .45 anyway); the damn thing is f**king huge and thick and you just know this barrel is not going to take any shit from anything stuck in it.

Yes they are not for the delicate of hand or the weak of arm or wrist. But they do give one a secure feeling and because of that they stay on target a lot better than most.

Posted by: jakee308 at May 17, 2020 08:45 PM (gwwiS)

215 213
Keeps happening. Fucking thing sold for $700....arg.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 17, 2020 08:44 PM (d1uFV)
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Bummer.
Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 08:45 PM (+MY+1)

Sigh. Like third auction in a row that I've lost at the literal last second.

It's what I get for not watching these auctions like a hawk at the end, I guess.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 17, 2020 08:45 PM (d1uFV)

216 Anna Puma @ 200, a a/c crash is a damn dynamic thing, like a auto crash only added elements, damn thing takes forever and when it's over you're sitting there with the primary controls gripped hard and wondering if you pissed your skivvies, then you look outside the cabin and see the pieces/parts scattered all over. At that point you light a cigarette and say halelujah, and laugh like a lunatic.

Posted by: Eromero at May 17, 2020 08:46 PM (XhWtx)

217 A.H. Lloyd, a very common experience for a whole lot of people.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 17, 2020 08:38 PM (ROyNt)

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My late step-dad was a boat person. Loved to spend hours on the boat.

As much as I enjoy a sunset on Lake Michigan or a sunrise on Lake Huron, boats seem really expensive and time-consuming.

Gubs are what you ask of them. Clean them up and put them away and they will be ready when you want them. I like that they sit patiently, waiting for me to decide it's their turn to go to the range.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 17, 2020 08:46 PM (cfSRQ)

218 I love the video about the Springfield, lWeasel!

GREAT job!

Posted by: Ladyl at May 17, 2020 08:47 PM (TdMsT)

219 Hiya weasel!

Shit. It is not fun being held hostage. But, wedid something and it was fun.

After focusing on moving and fast shooting and double and triple tapping, i slowed waaaaay dow and just focused on aim, breathing and trigger pull.
If I do say so myself, I did very well. Made me feel pretty good. Of course the hugs I got from Morons was even better

Posted by: nurse ratched at May 17, 2020 08:48 PM (U2p+3)

220 My range report is two-fold.

Had the whole complex to myself, week a go today - it just re-opened to the public week ago tomorrow.

I discovered that weighing every charge for my 30-06 M1 food, vs. not doing so, made no apparent difference (translation: operator error cancels out any actual improvement in consistency). Fair enough. Saves time.

Also, both of my 15-round M1 carbine mags are actually 13-round mags. They both jack the 14th/15th rounds high, nose above the chamber, in repeated testing. 10-rounders work fine as usual, up to 13 rounds no problem. Must be mag springs are a bit weak. Figure I'll have to live with it.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 17, 2020 08:48 PM (El6T/)

221 218 I love the video about the Springfield, lWeasel!

GREAT job!
Posted by: Ladyl at May 17, 2020 08:47 PM (TdMsT)
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Hi Ladyl!! Thank you very much. They're not quite where I want them to be, just yet, but I'm learning.

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 08:49 PM (+MY+1)

222 214 The main gripe I have with Hi Point, or a lot of other up and coming manufacturers is that if you start with a clean slate, don't make it ugly. Hi Points work, and if somebody is low on dollars and needs a little piece of mind in the nightstand, they fill the bill. My lawyer friend calls them "Peoples Exhibit A".

Posted by: bill in arkansas at May 17, 2020 08:50 PM (C1Lsn)

223 Just got sniped again in an auction.
I was bidding on a Scattergun Technologies TR-870, fully pimped with light, sidesaddle and bitching sights.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 17, 2020 08:44 PM

Have you considered pimping an 870 yourself? They're pretty easy to do, even the internals.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 17, 2020 08:51 PM (DMUuz)

224 I figure the rear sight on an M1 Carbine is staked (windage-wise)? My AutoOrdnance repro needs the rear sight tweaked just a scooch to center it up, but I don't think I'll be getting into the staking business.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 17, 2020 08:51 PM (El6T/)

225 Posted by: nurse ratched at May 17, 2020 08:48 PM (U2p+3)
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I'm overdue for harping on it, but mixing it up at the range really does help! Slow, deliberate fire, then faster stuff. All good.

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 08:51 PM (+MY+1)

226 BTW, the smoothest bolt I've ever used is on my 1905 Swedish Mauser. Even compared to a new Savage bolt action it feels like glass sliding on oil. The 30-06 and 303 guns I have don't come close.

Posted by: JTB at May 17, 2020 08:52 PM (7EjX1)

227 Hi Ya nurse. Revitalizing ain't it?

Posted by: Ben Had at May 17, 2020 08:52 PM (ROyNt)

228 Range Report Part Deux:
Then went up top to the big boy range. No problem at 350 and 528; I could hear the steel. But beyond that, I can't get the rifle settled down fast enough to be my own spotter.
I'm trying to convince Mrs. Red to come spot. She was more receptive when I told her she didn't have to stand next to the target and point to the impacts.

Posted by: RI Red at May 17, 2020 08:52 PM (yPMyp)

229 223 Just got sniped again in an auction.
I was bidding on a Scattergun Technologies TR-870, fully pimped with light, sidesaddle and bitching sights.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 17, 2020 08:44 PM

Have you considered pimping an 870 yourself? They're pretty easy to do, even the internals.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 17, 2020 08:51 PM (DMUuz)

Oh, I have an 870 Police Magnum. But Scattergun Technologies really know how to pimp them. They ream the barrel out to create crazy tight groups. Had one in a class and the thing was like magic. Better than my Benelli even.

Damn things are over a grand new, usually. I thought I was getting a deal. Instead someone else got the deal.

I need to start drinking and brood.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 17, 2020 08:53 PM (d1uFV)

230 180 Oh, MoMe report...

The Nurse decided she needed some civil disobedience and a dozen or so fellow rebels also decided to head into the arid part of WA state for some bourbon sipping and enjoyment of the natural beauty.

It was a good time. I took off after 4 hours or so because my dog can't take care of himself at home. The wife came along too and said 'it was ok'. I'll take what I can get.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 17, 2020 08:32 PM (d1uFV)

Camp Defiance!

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 17, 2020 08:53 PM (NWiLs)

231 Camp Defiance!
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 17, 2020 08:53 PM (NWiLs)

*Fistbump*

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 17, 2020 08:54 PM (d1uFV)

232 Mark Anthony, some advice from a survivor of eBay sniping.

Bid once and walk away. If you win the auction grand, if not oh well.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 17, 2020 08:55 PM (9kruo)

233 Hi Ben Had!

I got your package.
I cried. It is beautiful. Thank you from my heart.

Posted by: nurse ratched at May 17, 2020 08:56 PM (U2p+3)

234 Wow. 5 out of 5, with a 3 inch grouping with iron sights. Very impressive, Weasel.

I'd need a big scope, a fire control radar, and terminal seeker heads to even come close.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 17, 2020 08:56 PM (u82oZ)

235 Sadly I missed out on Camp Defiance. Sounded like the perfect opportunity for a mask burning!

Sadz.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 17, 2020 08:56 PM (axyOa)

236 Also, both of my 15-round M1 carbine mags are actually 13-round mags. They both jack the 14th/15th rounds high, nose above the chamber, in repeated testing. 10-rounders work fine as usual, up to 13 rounds no problem. Must be mag springs are a bit weak. Figure I'll have to live with it.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 17, 2020 08:48 PM (El6T/)

Cool rhomboid!

On one of my upcoming range outings I wanna try to see how far out I can hit with that .30 carbine round.

Should be fun after 300 yards.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 17, 2020 08:56 PM (Z+IKu)

237 231 Camp Defiance!
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 17, 2020 08:53 PM (NWiLs)

*Fistbump*
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 17, 2020 08:54 PM (d1uFV)

Back atcha! Civil disobedience felt good, didn't it?

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 17, 2020 08:57 PM (NWiLs)

238 Posted by: RI Red at May 17, 2020 08:52 PM (yPMyp)
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Yep. Beyond 500 or so you really need someone pulling and marking the target. Depending on the range, you might consider an electronic scoring setup but they're pricey. Check out the Silver Mountain SOLO.

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 08:57 PM (+MY+1)

239 Hello nurse!

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 17, 2020 08:58 PM (NWiLs)

240 The CT-114 Tutor

Thanks, Puma. Korean War era wasn't far off.

What's up with Canada? Can't they afford a half dozen F-16s?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 17, 2020 08:58 PM (gd9RK)

241 234 Wow. 5 out of 5, with a 3 inch grouping with iron sights. Very impressive, Weasel.

I'd need a big scope, a fire control radar, and terminal seeker heads to even come close.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 17, 2020 08:56 PM (u82oZ)
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Thanks, Salty! I want to dust off one of my match guns and film it at 100 yards.

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 08:59 PM (+MY+1)

242 I bought a 1903 MKI at Collector's Firearms in Houston about 25 years ago. I've been searching for a Pedersen Device ever since. No luck, darn it. Not one of them ever shows up on GunBroker, at any price. It's as if some fools gathered-up all of them, and destroyed them or something.

Posted by: Gref at May 17, 2020 09:01 PM (AMIL/)

243 Weasel, I also found out my hand held range device is very shaky at long distance and really hard to get a return beyond 500 yds.
This sport is starting to get expensive.
Almost like boat ownership. Or golf.

Posted by: RI Red at May 17, 2020 09:01 PM (yPMyp)

244 A guy at my range has a drone that he flies out to the 600 yard berm and broadcasts a signal all the way back to his tablet. I'll have to get the details next time I see him.

Posted by: ck at May 17, 2020 09:01 PM (Gf0Po)

245 Hi Insom.

Thank you.

Posted by: nurse ratched at May 17, 2020 09:02 PM (U2p+3)

246 Posted by: Gref at May 17, 2020 09:01 PM (AMIL/)
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Hi Gref!
Have you talked to Collector's about sourcing one for you?

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 09:02 PM (+MY+1)

247 The 1903 was used all the way from WW I to Vietnam. I's say that's a good run. Thanks, Weasel. I'm done, happy trails, all.

Posted by: Eromero at May 17, 2020 09:02 PM (XhWtx)

248 Posted by: RI Red at May 17, 2020 08:52 PM (yPMyp)
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Yep. Beyond 500 or so you really need someone pulling and marking the target. Depending on the range, you might consider an electronic scoring setup but they're pricey. Check out the Silver Mountain SOLO.
Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 08:57 PM (+MY+1)

Check these out.

Works great and easy to see even in bright sunlight.

https://magnetospeed.com/collections/target-hit-indicator

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 17, 2020 09:03 PM (Z+IKu)

249 Hairyback, the elevation on the rear sights (of the adjustable sight version) goes up to 300 yds on the carbine.

It's basically a 110g 357 magnum round @1900 FPS, so 300 yds is getting "out there", at least for real accuracy, I'm guessing.

Still wouldn't recommend trying to catch one at that range, however.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 17, 2020 09:03 PM (El6T/)

250 Thanks, Puma. Korean War era wasn't far off.

What's up with Canada? Can't they afford a half dozen F-16s?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 17, 2020 08:58 PM (gd9RK)

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No.

They bought Australia's cast-off first-gen F/A-18s so they can cannibalize them for their fleet.

Their aircraft are decrepit and they have a pilot shortage, but plenty of money to send to the ChiComs for medical aid.

Also, they can legally import Chinese firearms that are banned in the US. Strange how no one brings that up when talking about gun control.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 17, 2020 09:03 PM (cfSRQ)

251 This sport is starting to get expensive.
Almost like boat ownership. Or golf.
Posted by: RI Red at May 17, 2020 09:01 PM (yPMyp)
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Did I forget to mention that part?

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 09:04 PM (+MY+1)

252 245 Hi Insom.

Thank you.
Posted by: nurse ratched at May 17, 2020 09:02 PM (U2p+3)

{{{nurse}}}

You're welcome.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 17, 2020 09:04 PM (NWiLs)

253 A drone at a range? Cool idea, but I think a lot of ranges would frown upon this.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 17, 2020 09:05 PM (El6T/)

254 Thanks, Salty! I want to dust off one of my match guns and film it at 100 yards.

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 08:59 PM (+MY+1)

Hey Weasel, your groupings down range continue to impress! Its now a truism, don't come up on Weasel unless you expect to have some seriously accurate suppression fire. I agree totally with Salty, I don't think we were near this accurate in Puerto Rico at the range with our 3" fifties - and that was with fire control radar guiding the shots!

Posted by: Boswell at May 17, 2020 09:05 PM (32YRo)

255 Oh, I have an 870 Police Magnum. But Scattergun Technologies really know how to pimp them. They ream the barrel out to create crazy tight groups.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 17, 2020 08:53 PM

Yah, the barrel is something you have to acquire. Have you ever looked at a Vang Comp?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 17, 2020 09:06 PM (DMUuz)

256 247 The 1903 was used all the way from WW I to Vietnam. I's say that's a good run. Thanks, Weasel. I'm done, happy trails, all.
Posted by: Eromero at May 17, 2020 09:02 PM (XhWtx)
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Night, pal.

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 09:06 PM (MVjcR)

257 There's a group of 4 guys, I think the drone watches all 4 targets.

Posted by: ck at May 17, 2020 09:06 PM (Gf0Po)

258 Thanks HB Guy. I'm at one level beneath that where I need someone to walk my shots into the target. Most times I can hear the hit if it happens.
CK, that drone idea sounds great, but my bullets would get drawn to it.

Posted by: RI Red at May 17, 2020 09:07 PM (yPMyp)

259 246 Posted by: Gref at May 17, 2020 09:01 PM (AMIL/)
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Hi Gref!
Have you talked to Collector's about sourcing one for you?

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 09:02 PM (+MY+1)

Yes. When I asked a fellow there if they could find one for me, he called all the other salespeople over and they whispered to each other for a long time and it seemed they were laughing at me. The fellow I talked to eventually came back and said they'd search for one. But he didn't get take my phone number. Very strange.

;-)

Posted by: Gref at May 17, 2020 09:08 PM (AMIL/)

260 I'd probably hit it too.

Posted by: ck at May 17, 2020 09:08 PM (Gf0Po)

261 A drone at a gun range is like the guy driving the ball machine at a golf range.

Posted by: jsg at May 17, 2020 09:09 PM (aFWbw)

262 Posted by: Boswell at May 17, 2020 09:05 PM (32YRo)
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Thank you. I cannot begin to even guess how much time I've spent behind rifles. Practice, practice, practice!

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 09:10 PM (MVjcR)

263 ..Just chiming in to say these gub threads are the best on the 'net, well done, Weasel!

Posted by: navybrat, at large at May 17, 2020 08:37 PM (w7KSn)

+1.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at May 17, 2020 09:11 PM (QzJWU)

264 Just inherited a 1907 Dreyse pocket pistol - they were brought over captured from WWII in droves, from what I understand. Way too front heavy to feel good in your hand, but a great weapon to fire...I wish we could have Weasel takes some turns down range with one to show what they can do!

Posted by: Boswell at May 17, 2020 09:11 PM (32YRo)

265 Practice, practice, practice!

Crap. I knew there was something I was missing.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at May 17, 2020 09:12 PM (qc+VF)

266 Posted by: Jim at May 17, 2020 09:11 PM (QzJWU)
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You guys are going to make my giant bulbous head ever bigger.

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 09:13 PM (MVjcR)

267 Just inherited a 1907 Dreyse pocket pistol - they
were brought over captured from WWII in droves, from what I understand.
Way too front heavy to feel good in your hand, but a great weapon to
fire...I wish we could have Weasel takes some turns down range with one
to show what they can do!

Posted by: Boswell at May 17, 2020 09:11 PM (32YRo)

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Welcome to the club!

The rifling in mine is...still visible. YMMV.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 17, 2020 09:14 PM (cfSRQ)

268 Rhombid: try contacting CMP and ask them about the sight issue.

IIRC, they also have parts for sale.

Posted by: redc1c4 at May 17, 2020 09:14 PM (5kusT)

269 Still wouldn't recommend trying to catch one at that range, however.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 17, 2020 09:03 PM (El6T/)

Haha...yup. I figure I will have to hold a few feet above at 500-600 yards and hope to see a splash to adjust. Really pushing it but why not.

Check out your rear sight again and see if the one you have can be pushed/tapped right or left like the original rear sights. The later ones were adjustable by the windage dial which you may be able to swap onto yours.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 17, 2020 09:14 PM (Z+IKu)

270 265 Practice, practice, practice!

Crap. I knew there was something I was missing.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at May 17, 2020 09:12 PM (qc+VF)
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Then practice some more...

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 09:14 PM (MVjcR)

271 Wait, did you mean MY 1911? I traded putting a heater core in a Volvo 940 for it. The sights that are on it now were on it when I got it. The "micro" rear sight is the same as was fitted to NM guns in the early 60s. It had the ugliest oversized target grips on it money could buy. Replaced them with the GI parts. Someone had staked the frame. Arrrgghh. The reason I bought the Kuhnhousen books was to work on fixing it. I finally got the slide to where it slides properly. The recoil spring was from a howitzer, and I replaced it with one that came with it. It may still be too stiff, but it shoots OK.

Posted by: Jesse in DC at May 17, 2020 09:16 PM (ouR/N)

272 BTW, a first for the year - sitting outside in front of the fire pit. Spring in Northern New Hampshire.
Burning old paperwork. Including bar exam study materials.
Yep, at 29 x mumblety mumble, I can still pass a bar exam on the first shot.
Y'all can buy me drinks at the MoMe.

Posted by: RI Red at May 17, 2020 09:16 PM (yPMyp)

273 Are you all wearing masks while you're posting? Well are you?

I want to speak to the manager, Mr. of Spades, please.

Posted by: The Karenwaffen SS at May 17, 2020 09:16 PM (ldmQR)

274 Posted by: Gref at May 17, 2020 09:08 PM (AMIL/)
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Yeah, that's strange!

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 09:16 PM (MVjcR)

275 Trump tweets a commercial showing joe to be a dumb fuck, and he types "Enjoy the campaighn Joe!"

I love this glorious bastard.

Posted by: SLOW UPTAKE at May 17, 2020 09:18 PM (buTO7)

276 I bagged my first deer at 15 years old with an '03
Springfield I borrowed from my great uncle. Great rifle. He collected
guns, so he had several.

When I was in the Army in Alaska I spent some of my off-duty time at
a place called Alaskaland in Fairbanks. I played a gunslinger for the
tourists. I wore cowboy clothing and had a low-slung quick-draw holster
with a .22 caliber RG single actions revolver. We used blanks, of
course. But we had fast-draw competitions where we would fire wax loads
at balloons. Great fun. And free beer.

Posted by: Elric at May 17, 2020 08:30 PM (oSDkQ)

I bagged my first at the same age, it was with a 20 guage side by side. I used a slug with a non rifled barrel but the deer did not seem to mind. My second deer was with the same weapon a year later almost to the date. . Other hunters laughed at me as they had super slug barrels and scopes. I had a bead front sight. The two i got were boon and crockett worthy imo. "One was a six and the other an 8 but the racks were as symmetrical as you could draw up.

It was luck about the racks. I realize many more successful hunters than I get button bucks, fork horns, irregulars, etc. I was just in the right place at the right time. But I did spend years in the woods with nary even a shot before that happened. I have only shot at two deer in my life. I quit because getting one is much more of a pain in the ass than not getting one.

Posted by: Quint at May 17, 2020 09:18 PM (hHxp2)

277 RI Red, If you mean the one in TX, that's a given.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 17, 2020 09:19 PM (ROyNt)

278 Also burning old Army orders. Mimeographed.

Posted by: RI Red at May 17, 2020 09:19 PM (yPMyp)

279 Beef jerky gives me the windage something fierce.

Posted by: Coleman at May 17, 2020 09:21 PM (sbyCq)

280 The rifling in mine is...still visible. YMMV.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 17, 2020 09:14 PM (cfSRQ)

Whoa - the bluing on mine is still pretty good...its an older version from what I can tell as there seems to be many later variations. It has not been handled all that much but, with the front end being so uneven in balance, and with the kick being weird, I never thought it would be that accurate...but it is pretty damn straight at 25 feet for a pocket number. Also, the hammer is pretty tight...

Posted by: Boswell at May 17, 2020 09:22 PM (32YRo)

281 Ms. Had, I'm hoping to make the trip. Even if civil disobedience is involved.

Posted by: RI Red at May 17, 2020 09:22 PM (yPMyp)

282 Weasel,

Thanks again for the thread and all the work you put into it. Wanted to say tht now in case a certain dog demands a walk shortly. There are signs that it is imminent.

Posted by: JTB at May 17, 2020 09:23 PM (7EjX1)

283 Posted by: RI Red at May 17, 2020 09:16 PM (yPMyp)
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Congrats, bro!

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 09:24 PM (MVjcR)

284 Beef jerky gives me the windage something fierce.

Posted by: Coleman at May 17, 2020 09:21 PM (sbyCq)
that is from a movie but I can't recall the name at this juncture.

Posted by: Quint at May 17, 2020 09:24 PM (hHxp2)

285 Posted by: JTB at May 17, 2020 09:23 PM (7EjX1)
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You are most welcome, JTB. Hi to Mrs. JTB!

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 09:25 PM (MVjcR)

286 Don't serve that man beans...

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 17, 2020 09:25 PM (9kruo)

287 RI Red, you will be met with glass in hand and a hug.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 17, 2020 09:25 PM (ROyNt)

288 For anyone that might be interested, I usually finish editing the videos and upload them to YouTube sometime on Saturday. If you subscribe to the channel you will get an alert, or you can just check Saturday afternoons.

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 09:26 PM (MVjcR)

289 I have that Kuhnhausen book btw.

Posted by: Quint at May 17, 2020 09:27 PM (hHxp2)

290 Weasel, thanks. Of course I could have waived in to the bar if I hadn't taken my early retirement/sabbatical out so long. But it was satisfying to see that I still have it. For some degrees of "it". Specially since the pass rate was only around 50%.
Best thing is it allows me to up my retirement income to afford to read and react to this thread.

Posted by: RI Red at May 17, 2020 09:28 PM (yPMyp)

291 Whoa - the bluing on mine is still pretty good...its
an older version from what I can tell as there seems to be many later
variations. It has not been handled all that much but, with the front
end being so uneven in balance, and with the kick being weird, I never
thought it would be that accurate...but it is pretty damn straight at 25
feet for a pocket number. Also, the hammer is pretty tight...

Posted by: Boswell at May 17, 2020 09:22 PM (32YRo)

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Good for you!

Mine has some issues, some of which I've resolved. I think these are best used at close range in instinctive shooting. I've spoken to my range officer and he's working to create a closer range set of targets designed for 'mouse guns.'

Because at more than 10 yards, slow-firing the Dreyse seems an exercise in futility.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 17, 2020 09:28 PM (cfSRQ)

292 And before we get demoted by the ONT, thank you all so much for the kind comments and spending some of your free time here. I really do appreciate you all. Thanks!!

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 09:28 PM (MVjcR)

293 Beef jerky gives me the windage something fierce.
Posted by: Coleman at May 17, 2020 09:21 PM (sbyCq)
that is from a movie but I can't recall the name at this juncture.
Posted by: Quint at May 17, 2020 09:24 PM (hHxp2)

Trading Places?

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 17, 2020 09:29 PM (Z+IKu)

294 For anyone that might be interested, I usually
finish editing the videos and upload them to YouTube sometime on
Saturday. If you subscribe to the channel you will get an alert, or you
can just check Saturday afternoons.

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 09:26 PM (MVjcR)

thanks for that reminder. i am not much of a joiner but if I did this would be the time to do it. . I will check your vids out though.

Posted by: Quint at May 17, 2020 09:30 PM (hHxp2)

295
Best thing is it allows me to up my retirement income to afford to read and react to this thread.
Posted by: RI Red at May 17, 2020 09:28 PM (yPMyp)
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Then it's worthwhile!

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 09:30 PM (MVjcR)

296 And before we get demoted by the ONT, thank you all
so much for the kind comments and spending some of your free time here.
I really do appreciate you all. Thanks!!

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 09:28 PM (MVjcR)

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Thank you, Weasel, for hosting this fine thread.

An oasis of serenity in a desert of madness.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 17, 2020 09:30 PM (cfSRQ)

297 Great synopsis of the '03 Springfield and some great history to the one you have.

Posted by: Sua Sponte at May 17, 2020 09:30 PM (Znnq1)

298 I love this thread, Weasel. Thank you!

Posted by: Infidel at May 17, 2020 09:31 PM (sNpqr)

299 Hey, we got moved to the top, where we belong!

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 17, 2020 09:32 PM (NWiLs)

300 Thanks Weasel. G'night gunnies.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at May 17, 2020 09:32 PM (qc+VF)

301 Trading Places?

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 17, 2020 09:29 PM (Z+IKu)

that is a good pull. I can see it now.

Posted by: Quint at May 17, 2020 09:32 PM (hHxp2)

302 Thanks Weasel.

Posted by: dartist at May 17, 2020 09:33 PM (K22Va)

303 Ooh, ooh, Mr. Kotter, I forgot!
Our range is putting in a close action combat course!
Is this a great state or what?
Live Free or in Massachusetts!

Posted by: RI Red at May 17, 2020 09:33 PM (yPMyp)

304
thanks for that reminder. i am not much of a joiner but if I did this would be the time to do it. . I will check your vids out though.
Posted by: Quint at May 17, 2020 09:30 PM (hHxp2)
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Me neither, which is why I've hesitated to mention it before. I don't want you all to think I'm trying to count subscribers or anything like that. Im amazed the videos are getting the number of views that they are... usually around 1,500 or so. Lots of lurkers or seriously bored people out there!

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 09:33 PM (MVjcR)

305 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 17, 2020 09:30 PM (cfSRQ)
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Thank you, AHL!

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 09:34 PM (MVjcR)

306 299
Hey, we got moved to the top, where we belong!

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 17, 2020 09:32 PM (NWiLs)

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Ah yes, "An Officer and a Gentleman."

Love lifts us up where we belong.

Oddly, I knew a submariner who owned the VHS tape and watched it often.

He claimed an obsession with Debra Winger, but I wonder if Richard Gere wasn't what made his periscope rise...

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 17, 2020 09:35 PM (cfSRQ)

307 Late, as usual. Nice thread and I've REALLY got to get a 1903. But, as a quick in and out comment (have to go shortly) -- Well, I am in my new digs in VA and much needs done, furniture, internet connections, etc., etc. No major items, just... stuff.

Weasel, nice thread and I'll read everything tomorrow, and soon should be able to get interesting 1911 stuff to you for consideration.

My exile in VA begins!

McGyver, out

Posted by: McGyver at May 17, 2020 09:35 PM (hODab)

308 Weasel, the witching hour is here so Thank You for all of your effort. It's chicken fried steak, outdoor patio fires and cigars for you my friend.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 17, 2020 09:35 PM (ROyNt)

309 Posted by: Sua Sponte at May 17, 2020 09:30 PM (Znnq1)
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Thank you, I'm glad you liked it!

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 09:35 PM (MVjcR)

310 He claimed an obsession with Debra Winger, but I wonder if Richard Gere wasn't what made his periscope rise...

Or at least his dive planes.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 17, 2020 09:36 PM (9kruo)

311 Oddly, I knew a submariner who owned the VHS tape and watched it often.

He claimed an obsession with Debra Winger, but I wonder if Richard Gere wasn't what made his periscope rise...
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 17, 2020 09:35 PM (cfSRQ)

Well, Navy, so...y'know.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 17, 2020 09:36 PM (NWiLs)

312 298 I love this thread, Weasel. Thank you!
Posted by: Infidel at May 17, 2020 09:31 PM (sNpqr)
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My pleasure, infidel!

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 09:36 PM (MVjcR)

313 Posted by: McGyver at May 17, 2020 09:35 PM (hODab)
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Thanks neighbor!

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 09:37 PM (MVjcR)

314 Ms. Had, as long as the hug is not socially distanced!
I'm in the at-risk age, but what the heck. What a way to go.

Posted by: RI Red at May 17, 2020 09:37 PM (yPMyp)

315 Me neither, which is why I've hesitated to mention
it before. I don't want you all to think I'm trying to count
subscribers or anything like that. Im amazed the videos are getting the
number of views that they are... usually around 1,500 or so. Lots of
lurkers or seriously bored people out there!

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 09:33 PM (MVjcR)

no chance anyone here thinks that or thinks it in a negative way. Any subcribers you get are well earned. I was just talking about myself. i am not a joiner. But if I did join YT, it would be to subscribe to your channel. I will watch it for sure.

Posted by: Quint at May 17, 2020 09:38 PM (hHxp2)

316 >>>He claimed an obsession with Debra Winger, but I wonder if Richard Gere wasn't what made his periscope rise...

No love for the blonde Ms Ta-Tas?

Posted by: davidt at May 17, 2020 09:38 PM (l3+k2)

317 308 Weasel, the witching hour is here so Thank You for all of your effort. It's chicken fried steak, outdoor patio fires and cigars for you my friend.
Posted by: Ben Had at May 17, 2020 09:35 PM (ROyNt)
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Looking forward to it like you wouldn't believe. Thank you!

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 09:38 PM (MVjcR)

318 Posted by: Quint at May 17, 2020 09:38 PM (hHxp2)
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All good. Thanks!

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 09:40 PM (MVjcR)

319 So can we get an M1 carbine vid now, Weasel? Never had one or lusted for one, but still very cool.

Posted by: RI Red at May 17, 2020 09:42 PM (yPMyp)

320 A Springfield is nice, but you civilize them with a Krag... just saying.

Posted by: Tangokilo at May 17, 2020 09:44 PM (k1CFA)

321 i just looked at a video of the crash: there were two ejection plumes, so they both got out, but very low. local news said it looked like the woman plowed into a tree.

likely they were too low to get a full shute before reaching the ground.

the plae just pitches up, rolls left and then dives.

ugly.

/hand salute

Posted by: redc1c4 at May 17, 2020 09:44 PM (5kusT)

322 319 So can we get an M1 carbine vid now, Weasel? Never had one or lusted for one, but still very cool.
Posted by: RI Red at May 17, 2020 09:42 PM (yPMyp)
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Sure can. I've had one with me the last two trips down to at least film the shooting sequences but keep running out of time. Next time it'll be the M1917 and the M1 Carbine. Promise.

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 09:45 PM (MVjcR)

323 Any other video requests? How'd you like the guest shooter idea?

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 09:48 PM (MVjcR)

324 ------
Probably take a couple of weeks, but I can do the M1917 next, no problemo!

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 07:57 PM (MVjcR)

Thanks. It would make a nice companion piece.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 17, 2020 09:49 PM (DGSWO)

325 Got to inspect the hole in the ground when two F-4s in close formation left Campbell AAF back in the 70s. Lead rolled left and chalk 2 followed him in. It was a big hole.

Posted by: RI Red at May 17, 2020 09:50 PM (yPMyp)

326 I bet Weasels hair smells nice

Posted by: Joe Biden at May 17, 2020 09:51 PM (Ecqh2)

327 Posted by: Braenyard at May 17, 2020 09:49 PM (DGSWO)
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I had mine rebarreled by the CMP and they did a great job, even following my request for a non-standard custom chambering.

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 09:51 PM (MVjcR)

328 326 I bet Weasels hair smells nice
Posted by: Joe Biden at May 17, 2020 09:51 PM (Ecqh2)
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Like H4350.

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 09:52 PM (MVjcR)

329 Into the fire pit: tax audit from a long time ago. FU, IRS. I won.

Posted by: RI Red at May 17, 2020 09:55 PM (yPMyp)

330 Thank you again. You have many gifts, but the gift of your time is most appreciated.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 17, 2020 09:55 PM (u82oZ)

331 H4350?

You saucy minx, you. Just kidding, just kidding.

Ha
Ha.

Sit on my lap?

Posted by: Joe Biden at May 17, 2020 09:56 PM (Ecqh2)

332 Joe Biden, me lad. You need a campaign stop in The Villages of FL.

You will have so many granny panties thrown at you. Can Dr. Jill stop all of them?

Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 17, 2020 09:58 PM (u82oZ)

333 New vid? Don't have a .416 Barrett laying around do you? Just kidding, you know us semi-auto guys.

Posted by: ck at May 17, 2020 09:58 PM (Gf0Po)

334 Ok, I'm rambling now. But this is the thread, weasel.
Best to WW and WD.
As Hickok 45 says, Life is Good.

Posted by: RI Red at May 17, 2020 10:00 PM (yPMyp)

335 334 Ok, I'm rambling now. But this is the thread, weasel.
Best to WW and WD.
As Hickok 45 says, Life is Good.
Posted by: RI Red at May 17, 2020 10:00 PM (yPMyp)
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Thank you very much. It's really is my pleasure.

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 10:05 PM (+MY+1)

336 330 Thank you again. You have many gifts, but the gift of your time is most appreciated.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 17, 2020 09:55 PM (u82oZ)
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You are most very welcome. Thank you!

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 10:06 PM (MVjcR)

337 333 New vid? Don't have a .416 Barrett laying around do you? Just kidding, you know us semi-auto guys.
Posted by: ck at May 17, 2020 09:58 PM (Gf0Po)
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Sorry!

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 10:06 PM (MVjcR)

338 You saucy minx, you. Just kidding, just kidding.
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If I had a nickel for every time I've hear that!

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 10:08 PM (MVjcR)

339 Thanks Weasel. Another great way to end a Sunday.

Posted by: MikeCLT at May 17, 2020 10:09 PM (XXvEG)

340 It looks like the recoil from the Garand is more severe than the Springfield. How do the feel to you?

Posted by: Braenyard at May 17, 2020 10:09 PM (DGSWO)

341 Posted by: MikeCLT at May 17, 2020 10:09 PM (XXvEG)
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Thanks MikeCLT! Nice to have you here!

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 10:11 PM (MVjcR)

342 340 It looks like the recoil from the Garand is more severe than the Springfield. How do the feel to you?
Posted by: Braenyard at May 17, 2020 10:09 PM (DGSWO)
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I'd say so, and that was exactly the same ammunition. The Garand has more straight back recoil while the Springfield seems to have more muzzle rise. I haven't weighed them but I suspect the Garand is a little heavier, too. I guess it's the difference between a semi-auto and a bolt gun. Great observation!

Posted by: Weasel at May 17, 2020 10:14 PM (MVjcR)

343 That wasn't plastic, but I bet Bakelite
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 17, 2020 07:54 PM (9kruo)

Bakelite is one of the first, and best plastics. Still in use. They made gun grips from hard rubber for many years, and that stuff does deteriorate. Of course, it possible the Spanish made a bad batch of Bakelite, I guess.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 17, 2020 10:35 PM (LZcDP)

344 Guy from Demolition Ranch strikes me as not funny or edgy- just kind of stupid.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 17, 2020 08:20 PM (A5zUN)

He needs to drop it down a cog.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 17, 2020 10:42 PM (LZcDP)

345 Mr Weasel sir, thank you. I'm learning a lot. Thanks to Jesse for his post, and the cowboy comp was interesting. The guy messing with the HiPowers...not my style, but interesting. Just finished morning coffee in Thailand. I suspect you all are off to the ONT soon. Hopefully I will get to the range this week.

Thanks all for the stories. Sad about the SnowBird incident. Man...you have time to eject but are upside down...

Posted by: MikeM at May 17, 2020 10:45 PM (UKE0P)

346 Nice vid. I know from personal experience how hard they are to do.

Posted by: ttl at May 18, 2020 12:43 AM (OTzUG)

347 179 More details about the Snowbirds crash (not suppertime reading), from the local newspaper:

How old are those CL41s anyway?

Posted by: JEM at May 18, 2020 01:40 AM (GSjKO)

348 Posted by: MikeM at May 17, 2020 10:45 PM (UKE0P)
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My pleasure MikeM, thanks for checking in! Send pics of your range trip and I'll be happy to post them.

Posted by: Weasel at May 18, 2020 07:49 AM (MVjcR)

349 346 Nice vid. I know from personal experience how hard they are to do.
Posted by: ttl at May 18, 2020 12:43 AM (OTzUG)
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Thank you, ttl. I'm still learning, but I have figured out that it's one of those things that's much harder than it looks!

Posted by: Weasel at May 18, 2020 07:52 AM (+MY+1)

350 A comment from our pal Dr. Jeyi:

I haven't carefully read through the entire comments threads yet, but all the very low S/N '03 Springfields were originally chambered for 30-03 cartridge, and only after the 30-06 cart was adopted, were rebarrelled for the new 30-06 round. I believe all or nearly all of them were so upgraded. I bought one like that in 1964 or so from Numrich Arms then in W. Hurley NY, and while the receiver said "Springfield Armory 1903", the barrel was stamped "Rock Island 1906". I later acquired a very nice peep sight designed specifically for the pre- 03-A3s like mine, but the gunsmith at Numrich advised me that it was a bad idea to tap and drill a very low S/N '03 receiver, so it was never changed. The bolt isn't original for certain, so the rifle didn't have much value as a high end collectors item. I gave it to my son & now living in SE Georgia twenty years ago. He still has it and shoots it only rarely, but never with any problems. If one of you crazies/obsessives out there make him an offer he can't refuse, he might go for it.

Posted by: Weasel at May 18, 2020 11:50 AM (MVjcR)

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