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LUNATIC LAWLESS "JUDGE" EMMIT SULLIVAN ENLISTS HIS OWN PRIVATE PROSECUTOR TO PRESS CASE AGAINST FLYNN;
CONSIDERS IMPOSING HIS OWN CHARGES OF PERJURY AND CONTEMPT ON FLYNN
A federal judge is signaling that he may pursue perjury or contempt charges against former national security adviser Michael Flynn over his effort to abandon an earlier guilty plea to a charge of lying to the FBI.The very fact he's bringing in another judge to recommend perjury charges shows that he's aware that he is no longer objective in this case and so he cannot impose perjury penalties without "making it look good" by bringing in a third party. But if he's no longer disinterested and neutral -- if even he doesn't trust his own decisions on Flynn -- he has no choice but to recuse himself. And if he won't do that, Chief Justice Roberts has no choice but to reassign another judge to this case. You will respect his authoritah. He has decided you are guilty, and if you protest his decision -- you are guilty of perjury and contempt. By the way: The below florid, deranged Tweets, alleging all sorts of conspiracies and Russian kompromats, were posted by the one of the people calling themselves "Watergate Prosecutors," who Sullivan lawlessly permitted to file a third-party motion in this case. Sullivan must be disciplined immediately by Roberts and removed from the case for obvious emotional involvement with Getting Flynn that makes him a litigant in this matter, Flynn's actual prosecutor, rather than a judge. And then he must be impeached by the Senate. Oh Wow: When I searched for "John Gleeson," I came up with a blistering Washington Post op-ed claiming the Flynn case was clearly a case of "political interference." I assumed this must not be the same John Gleeson that Sullivan appointed to "judge" this case -- surely he would not appoint someone who had already publicly declared his verdict. Or so I thought. Because, Surprise!, Sullivan's hiring a "judge" who will give him the answer he wants. He knows what the answer is -- he read it in the newspaper already.
... Sullivan said he's also asking the retired judge, John Gleeson, to recommend whether Flynn should face a criminal contempt charge for perjury--apparently for declaring under oath at two different court proceedings that he was guilty of lying to the FBI, before he reversed course an January and claimed he had never lied.
Former Judge John Gleeson - the amicus appointed by Judge Sullivan - has already judged the case.
— Techno Fog (@Techno_Fog) May 13, 2020
"The [Flynn] record reeks of improper political influence."
Seems to say a lot about Judge Sullivan's motives.
Even his amicus is biased. pic.twitter.com/egaMGgEPAk
"Watergate Prosecutors" member Jill Wine-Banks was a huge fan of the Steele Dossier.
— Techno Fog (@Techno_Fog) May 13, 2020
She also took the "Avenatti Dossier" seriously.
The Avenatti Dossier ID'd financial transactions of the wrong Michael Cohen(s).
😂 pic.twitter.com/kkJhwnoNsQ
Those who oppose the Flynn case dismissal - Watergate Prosecutors member Jill Wine-Banks:
— Techno Fog (@Techno_Fog) May 13, 2020
"Mueller can prove conspiracy with Russia beyond any doubt."
Peddlers of conspiracy theories.
These are the people Judge Sullivan will listen to. pic.twitter.com/6Pv54lOPLy
From their motion:
— Techno Fog (@Techno_Fog) May 13, 2020
"The Watergate Prosecutors . . . are uniquely suited to help ensure a fair presentation of the issues raised by the Govt's Motion [to dismiss]."
What a joke. pic.twitter.com/3ggJeyPjTM
172 >>Obama says Flynn committed perjury on Friday. Not lying to the FBI, perjury. >>Today Sullivan says he's considering adding perjury. Sounds like Team Resistance. Posted by: Jack StrawI don't believe in coincidences myself.
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Murrican Ninja War Eeyore at May 13, 2020 07:10 PM (be9+d)
Posted by: Skip at May 13, 2020 07:10 PM (ZCEU2)
Posted by: Moon Knight at May 13, 2020 07:10 PM (VOCjX)
Posted by: It's me donna at May 13, 2020 07:11 PM (Zmnko)
Posted by: Roland Freisler at May 13, 2020 07:11 PM (WdocV)
Posted by: occam's brassiere at May 13, 2020 07:11 PM (ja/kn)
Posted by: jsg at May 13, 2020 07:11 PM (dTvzp)
Has she commented yet?
Posted by: It's me donna at May 13, 2020 07:12 PM (Zmnko)
Posted by: Skip at May 13, 2020 07:12 PM (ZCEU2)
Posted by: Murrican Ninja War Eeyore at May 13, 2020 07:12 PM (be9+d)
Posted by: Jose at May 13, 2020 07:13 PM (L9Ewk)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 13, 2020 07:13 PM (A5zUN)
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 13, 2020 07:13 PM (NWiLs)
What an evil clown show.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 13, 2020 07:13 PM (+eVzC)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 13, 2020 07:14 PM (Ev6gs)
Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at May 13, 2020 07:14 PM (Lrula)
This is a test. Repeat. This is a test.
Is that giant sucking sound air filling the vacuum where your representatives and senators were just standing?
Posted by: Braenyard at May 13, 2020 07:14 PM (TAe5w)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 13, 2020 07:14 PM (A5zUN)
Posted by: 18-1 at May 13, 2020 07:14 PM (WdocV)
Posted by: occam's brassiere at May 13, 2020 07:14 PM (ja/kn)
Posted by: Skip at May 13, 2020 05:52 AM
These are the wrong flaming skulls I asked for.
Posted by: Skip at May 13, 2020 07:14 PM (ZCEU2)
Posted by: Joe Biden at May 13, 2020 07:15 PM (AytXr)
Posted by: bluebell at May 13, 2020 07:15 PM (/669Q)
Posted by: It's me donna at May 13, 2020 07:15 PM (Zmnko)
Why did that take so much consideration?
Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 13, 2020 07:15 PM (yQpMk)
Posted by: Don at May 13, 2020 07:15 PM (i0Lnv)
All those idiots who voted for Barack Oblabla are to blame.
Thanks assholes!
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 13, 2020 07:15 PM (Z+IKu)
Posted by: Braenyard at May 13, 2020 07:16 PM (TAe5w)
Posted by: Vic at May 13, 2020 07:16 PM (mpXpK)
Posted by: Judge Sully at May 13, 2020 07:16 PM (AytXr)
Posted by: Lament for a Fallen Nation at May 13, 2020 07:16 PM (Gyhs0)
Posted by: dantesed at May 13, 2020 07:16 PM (88xKn)
It is totally up to the Judge as to what it means, and how you are punished.
You can be jailed INDEFINATLY (as some reporters have been) under this 'authority'.
Summary Disposition. Notwithstanding any other provision of these rules, the court (other than a magistrate judge) may summarily punish a person who commits criminal contempt in its presence if the judge saw or heard the contemptuous conduct and so certifies; a magistrate judge may summarily punish a person as provided in 28 U.S.C. §636(e). The contempt order must recite the facts, be signed by the judge, and be filed with the clerk.
Posted by: Romeo13 at May 13, 2020 07:16 PM (NgKpN)
No but he's daring Roberts to take the dramatic step of removing him.
If roberts doesn't do that, then he can do it, just because no one stopped him from committing an illegal act.
Posted by: ace at May 13, 2020 07:16 PM (PbpT7)
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 13, 2020 07:16 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at May 13, 2020 07:13 PM (NWiLs)
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And put into St. Elizabeth's.
Posted by: bluebell at May 13, 2020 07:16 PM (/669Q)
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Let's see if they are willing to blackmail SC Judge Roberts over this as well...
Posted by: 18-1 at May 13, 2020 07:17 PM (WdocV)
Posted by: Tuna at May 13, 2020 07:17 PM (gLRfa)
Hope and Change Baby! Hope and Change!.....
All those idiots who voted for Barack Oblabla are to blame.
Thanks assholes!
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 13, 2020 07:15 PM (Z+IKu)
This idiot was first nominated by Clinton.
Posted by: Vic at May 13, 2020 07:17 PM (mpXpK)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at May 13, 2020 07:17 PM (AFSld)
Posted by: tubal at May 13, 2020 07:17 PM (bCLt0)
Prosecution: We want to drop the case
Judge: TURN THOSE MACHINES BACK ON!!!!
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 13, 2020 07:17 PM (KZzsI)
Or another way. This is not going anywhere.
Posted by: runner at May 13, 2020 07:17 PM (zr5Kq)
https://tinyurl.com/y7gazgaj
It IS odd. In Terminator 2 and True Lies Arnold was at his peak- then suddenly he went to shit.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 13, 2020 07:17 PM (A5zUN)
I guess the people--we the people-- who delegated that power to prosecute crimes to the executive branch via DOJ, can't be trusted.
Oh, this violates so many constitutional principles.
Separation of powers
Delegation of power
Right to a speedy trial
And I'm sure more
This is so egregious
And no, a retired judge-- no matter his perfect record of impartiality-- does not bless it
Posted by: RoyalOil at May 13, 2020 07:18 PM (aO8Gd)
If roberts doesn't do that, then he can do it, just because no one stopped him from committing an illegal act
Damn, I hate to think this will be in Roberts hands
Posted by: It's me donna at May 13, 2020 07:18 PM (Zmnko)
Posted by: Guy who is mildly shocked by everything at May 13, 2020 07:18 PM (4tEsR)
Posted by: Tuna at May 13, 2020 07:18 PM (gLRfa)
They need an alternate planet.
Maybe Elon can arrange transportation.
Posted by: Joe Mama at May 13, 2020 07:18 PM (Y7v+0)
And once it starts, there is simply no putting the genie back in the bottle.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Ridiculous Bullshit at May 13, 2020 07:18 PM (T8HPM)
It is totally up to the Judge as to what it means, and how you are punished.
...
this doesn't sound right to me. I imagine a judge can impose misdemeanor contempt on you, but I think for a crime, you'd have your right to a trial by jury of your peers.
Posted by: ace at May 13, 2020 07:18 PM (PbpT7)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at May 13, 2020 07:17 PM (AFSld)
He's a Deep State operative, in my opinion. Thanks, W.
Posted by: tubal at May 13, 2020 07:18 PM (bCLt0)
Posted by: National Divorce at May 13, 2020 07:18 PM (4Q1w7)
Thanks assholes!
I read somewhere that he changed drastically around 2015, when his son miraculously got out of some trouble he was in. Before then, he was reasonable. I think some debts are being called.
Posted by: t-bird at May 13, 2020 07:18 PM (AytXr)
It seems more unmasking happening right now but not what everyone was expecting.
Posted by: Decaf at May 13, 2020 07:18 PM (xarPm)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 13, 2020 07:18 PM (yQpMk)
Posted by: chique d' Epstein didn't off hisself at May 13, 2020 07:19 PM (9hauA)
Posted by: Fortcoins at May 13, 2020 07:19 PM (1vIuC)
Only later do we find out that not only was that not true but SEVERAL THOUSAND PAGES of material had not been turned over as required. So much material that main Justice had to say "Yeah, there is no way we can continue with this farce of a prosecution... and oh by the way Van Grack is canceling all appearances in ALL cases he is a part of in ALL courts because of his failure to turn over Brady material."
Yet Judge Sullivan wants to go after Flynn for perjury and contempt?
And Van Grack just walks away whistling from this a**holes courtroom.
Posted by: nevyan at May 13, 2020 07:19 PM (a7HML)
He doesn't like to be manuevered that way. So, he is now trying to take his toys and go home.
What a fucking fruitcake. He is completely unfit to serve.
Posted by: jc at May 13, 2020 07:19 PM (PuMKG)
Things are definitely heating up.
I think that's just a natural progression when your carefully planned narrative is falling apart. They will have to ratchet it up.
Trump is like an Anaconda though. Slowly squeezing the bullshit out into the open.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 13, 2020 07:19 PM (9oAtN)
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So here's the thing, I really don't care whatever the hell they have on Roberts. Its either stand up here or resign. Now.
Trump can pardon him for whatever the hell they are blackmailing him with if it is criminal and if it is something like a sip of penis back in the day well, Rick Grennell seems to be doing ok right now doesn't he?
Posted by: 18-1 at May 13, 2020 07:19 PM (WdocV)
Posted by: Vic at May 13, 2020 07:16 PM (mpXpK)
Don't lose sight of the fact that Ronald Reagan first put this douche on the bench before he was elevated by Bush, and then again by Clinton.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Ridiculous Bullshit at May 13, 2020 07:19 PM (T8HPM)
How does Federal contempt work? Who can overrule Sullivan's contempt charge? I assume this will happen and Flynn will be thrown in the clink for contempt. When that happens, who can overrule it?
Sullivan needs to be removed. Not reassigned to Alaska until his pension kicks in. Removed. Once he's removed dig in to that big juice NSA database and unmask every communication he has ever had.
He's the man. Find the crime. Destroy him and use the same means they're using.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 13, 2020 07:19 PM (hYcqw)
Posted by: runner at May 13, 2020 07:20 PM (zr5Kq)
Posted by: Tuna at May 13, 2020 07:20 PM (gLRfa)
Posted by: runner at May 13, 2020 07:20 PM (zr5Kq)
Then it has to go to the Senate, which mayyybe? But still. In 244 years of US history, 15 federal judges have been impeached, 8 of whom were convicted and removed from office... including Alcee Hastings who is now in congress.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 13, 2020 07:20 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 13, 2020 07:17 PM (A5zUN)
Its called age.
At 55 I was still in really good shape, doing competitive sword fighting at a national level.
Hell, was training with the guy who is now #1 in the world with rapier.
6 years later? HUGE deterioration due to injuries, and a change of body chemistry.
Age can hit you pretty dang fast.
Posted by: Romeo13 at May 13, 2020 07:20 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: dantesed at May 13, 2020 07:20 PM (88xKn)
Posted by: Pliney at May 13, 2020 07:20 PM (nzKWW)
But notice how the FBI [Wray] isn't stepping up for Flynn and making a statement to the court about how Flynn was wronged.
Wray is No Good.
Posted by: Soothsayer at May 13, 2020 07:20 PM (v2QQW)
Soon.
Posted by: National Divorce at May 13, 2020 07:18 PM (4Q1w7)
Let's get on with it, already. I'm ready.
Posted by: Jordan61 at May 13, 2020 07:20 PM (OzQGF)
If roberts doesn't do that, then he can do it, just because no one stopped him from committing an illegal act.
Posted by: ace at May 13, 2020 07:16 PM (PbpT7)
++++++++++++
Oh, if only Bush 43 had made Thomas Chief Justice and installed Roberts as an associate.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 13, 2020 07:21 PM (hYcqw)
Posted by: Judge Sullivan at May 13, 2020 07:21 PM (+y/Ru)
Fellow peasants we have had ample Warnings....
Posted by: The people across the aisle want us silenced at best,dead at worst at May 13, 2020 07:21 PM (xXx5y)
Posted by: Diogenes at May 13, 2020 07:21 PM (axyOa)
Posted by: Axeman at May 13, 2020 07:21 PM (Eicbe)
Also yes, and even with pressure from conservative justices, Roberts will do nothing. This is lawlessness.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at May 13, 2020 07:21 PM (AFSld)
They were worried as hell Trump was going to discover their Arab schemes and all their other felonious activities.
They're dirty rotten rats. They're scum.
It's time to put them on the stand under oath.
Posted by: Braenyard at May 13, 2020 07:21 PM (TAe5w)
Blackmailed one at that. Would love to know what Obama had on him.
Posted by: Tuna at May 13, 2020 07:21 PM (gLRfa)
Posted by: runner at May 13, 2020 07:20 PM (zr5Kq)
+++++++++++
Apparently not.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 13, 2020 07:21 PM (hYcqw)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 13, 2020 07:21 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 13, 2020 07:13 PM (+eVzC)
Hallucinations?
Broken brain due to TDS.
Posted by: chique d' Epstein didn't off hisself at May 13, 2020 07:21 PM (9hauA)
the DOJ had turned over all Brady material to Flynn's attorneys.
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I think we need a law that not turning over Brady material automatically gives the chief prosecutor whatever sentence they are seeking for the defendant, in addition to immediate disbarment and removal from all cases. This sh*t has to stop.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 13, 2020 07:21 PM (WdocV)
I think it's time to literally drain the swamp. Half the city could probably use some time in Gitmo.
Posted by: Lizzy at May 13, 2020 07:22 PM (bDqIh)
Posted by: Somewhere on Ventura Highway at May 13, 2020 07:22 PM (M+Lyo)
Posted by: El Kabong at May 13, 2020 07:22 PM (datdl)
Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at May 13, 2020 07:22 PM (Lrula)
But appointed to his first job by Reagan. Again, apparently he changed. This is a Judge Roberts-type jaw-dropper.
Posted by: t-bird at May 13, 2020 07:22 PM (vOGqy)
At this point the animosity of the judge towards one of the parties is so cartoonishly obvious that a recusal request should be made, and if denied appealed. Likely it would be granted. Now, why would anyone do something so weird? One answer - he wants to drop the hot potato in someone else's docket. Another answer - there is plenty of material on him and he is being blackmailed into this. A third - because he is a perverse old so-and-so and enjoys the righteous fury.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Poetry Power! Sonnets of the Shut-Ins Available at The Outrage Outlet! at May 13, 2020 07:22 PM (RgoC/)
Posted by: Soothsayer at May 13, 2020 07:20 PM (v2QQW)
+++++++++++++
That's putting it mildly.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 13, 2020 07:22 PM (hYcqw)
Just delicious, watching the deep state destroy itself. More popcorn.
Posted by: Redenzo at May 13, 2020 07:22 PM (E7vND)
I think that my father would have said, "Where d'you get that last name, out of the phone book ???".
Posted by: 11B40 at May 13, 2020 07:22 PM (evgyj)
Posted by: RoyalOil at May 13, 2020 07:22 PM (aO8Gd)
Posted by: Judge Sullivan at May 13, 2020 07:22 PM (+y/Ru)
Posted by: Decaf at May 13, 2020 07:22 PM (xarPm)
Posted by: artemis at May 13, 2020 07:22 PM (AwPyG)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at May 13, 2020 07:23 PM (dNzKv)
Posted by: Boots at May 13, 2020 07:23 PM (oGBso)
Posted by: klaftern at May 13, 2020 07:23 PM (RuIsu)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 13, 2020 07:17 PM (A5zUN)
Two words: "Kennedy Pussy"
Posted by: Bert G, with a new podcast episode at May 13, 2020 07:23 PM (OMsf+)
the DOJ had turned over all Brady material to Flynn's attorneys.
His own frigging lawyer hid documents from Flynn. This whole thing is completely corrupt.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 13, 2020 07:23 PM (ZLI7S)
no, if you remember, Arnold made a deliberate turn to Family Oriented Comedies after this period. He figured his years as an action star were limited (Oh, how wrong that turned out to be).
So he started appearing in a lot of alleged comedies, most of which I did not like at all.
It's not that he has NO talent as a comic actor -- it's that he's not as good at it as a 1000 comic actors, just as most comic actors could not be action stars.
Even a lot of the "action" movies he did were just comedies that were action spoofs, like The Last Action Hero.
The action movies got very silly (Eraser) and not very good.
Not about his aging body. Just bad decisions and weaker and weaker scripts.
Posted by: ace at May 13, 2020 07:23 PM (PbpT7)
They know there's zero chance this ruling stands on appeal. It's all about playing for time and keeping Flynn from getting in front of a camera and spilling the beans about what he knows.
Posted by: where's the whiskey at May 13, 2020 07:23 PM (sS+kn)
Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at May 13, 2020 07:23 PM (Lrula)
He was okay in Eraser, and End of Days was probably his best film. Then he was governor and everyone decided they hated him.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 13, 2020 07:23 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: artemis at May 13, 2020 07:23 PM (AwPyG)
It is totally up to the Judge as to what it means, and how you are punished.
...
this doesn't sound right to me. I imagine a judge can impose misdemeanor contempt on you, but I think for a crime, you'd have your right to a trial by jury of your peers.
Posted by: ace at May 13, 2020 07:18 PM (PbpT7)
There is a provision for a Trial, but,
As I posted above, if the Judge see it for himself, he can just enter an order.
Summary Disposition. Notwithstanding any other provision of these rules, the court (other than a magistrate judge) may summarily punish a person who commits criminal contempt in its presence if the judge saw or heard the contemptuous conduct and so certifies; a magistrate judge may summarily punish a person as provided in 28 U.S.C.636(e). The contempt order must recite the facts, be signed by the judge, and be filed with the clerk.
Note, this is straight out of the federal law on criminal contempt.
Posted by: Romeo13 at May 13, 2020 07:23 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at May 13, 2020 07:23 PM (oqwXA)
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at May 13, 2020 07:23 PM (GbPPJ)
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at May 13, 2020 07:24 PM (3DZIZ)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 13, 2020 07:24 PM (r+sAi)
Posted by: Pelosi's Filthy Fingers at May 13, 2020 07:24 PM (a1s18)
Posted by: Sock Monkey..safety off at May 13, 2020 07:24 PM (E1KUp)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at May 13, 2020 07:24 PM (dNzKv)
Posted by: runner at May 13, 2020 07:20 PM (zr5Kq)
+++++++++++
Apparently not.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 13, 2020 07:21 PM (hYcqw)
It is. Death throes. Judge is getting calls to "do soemething !!!" so he did. he is on someone's payroll.
Posted by: runner at May 13, 2020 07:24 PM (zr5Kq)
WHAT DOES IT MEAN?????
Witches.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 13, 2020 07:21 PM (KZzsI)''
I know. Like I said. I'm heading for the liquor cabinet. I fear the end of the world is here.
Posted by: Tuna at May 13, 2020 07:24 PM (gLRfa)
Isn't that what we've been asking, of more coup plotters than I can rememver, for the past 3+ years?
Yet they persist. They never stop. They never will stop.
Posted by: Hands at May 13, 2020 07:24 PM (786Ro)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 13, 2020 07:24 PM (A5zUN)
Have a nice day.
Posted by: tubal at May 13, 2020 07:24 PM (bCLt0)
Hillary Rodham that's who.
Posted by: Boots at May 13, 2020 07:23 PM (oGBso)
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Until she was removed for making unethical suggestions.
Posted by: Axeman at May 13, 2020 07:24 PM (Eicbe)
Posted by: artemis at May 13, 2020 07:24 PM (AwPyG)
Posted by: bluebell at May 13, 2020 07:25 PM (/669Q)
can i point out the irony that Arnold married a woman who had a hatchet-face that resembled a mandibled alien like the one he faced in Predator?
Look at Kennedy's severe hatchet face and skeletal cheekbones.
Look at Predator.
They're Twinsies!
Posted by: ace at May 13, 2020 07:25 PM (PbpT7)
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 13, 2020 07:19 PM (hYcqw)
This. He needs to be an example. Brutal and merciless. Destroy him. Humiliate him.Like Yakov Smirnov said about warning shots here. "In Russia they don't have warning shots,. they shoot the first guy dead and thats the warning to the next guy." He's the warning to the next guy.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at May 13, 2020 07:25 PM (4tEsR)
Posted by: t-bird at May 13, 2020 07:25 PM (1554F)
Posted by: artemis at May 13, 2020 07:23 PM (AwPyG)
Don't spend them all in one place.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 13, 2020 07:25 PM (A5zUN)
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at May 13, 2020 07:25 PM (PUmDY)
Posted by: runner at May 13, 2020 07:25 PM (zr5Kq)
***
None of them have paid a real price yet so why would they?
Posted by: 18-1 at May 13, 2020 07:25 PM (WdocV)
Or both?
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at May 13, 2020 07:25 PM (LWu6U)
Yeah the penalties for shenanigans by the prosecution are not nearly still or frightening enough, they have absolutely no hesitation to constantly use them.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 13, 2020 07:25 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 13, 2020 07:17 PM (A5zUN)
Two words: "Kennedy Pussy"
Posted by: Bert G, with a new podcast episode at May 13, 2020 07:23 PM (OMsf+)
Or "maid pussy"
Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at May 13, 2020 07:25 PM (oqwXA)
Posted by: Vic at May 13, 2020 07:17 PM (mpXpK)
The case is all on Oblabla.
"By the book" he said.
Clinton should have actually been a defendant in his court room too though for rape and sodomy.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 13, 2020 07:25 PM (Z+IKu)
Posted by: It's me donna at May 13, 2020 07:25 PM (Zmnko)
Posted by: Skip at May 13, 2020 07:26 PM (ZCEU2)
Sullivan must be disciplined immediately by Roberts and removed from the case for obvious emotional involvement with Getting Flynn that makes him a litigant in this matter, Flynn's actual prosecutor, rather than a judge.
And then he must be impeached by the Senate.
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Two things that won't happen.
Flynn will be lucky if the Supreme Court merely upholds his attorneys' arguments when this goes before them. I wouldn't even necessarily count on that, though.
HOWEVER: I get pretty tired of hearing the usual 9D-Chess-Straight-Shooter-Secret-White-Hat-Boy-Scout pablum. At least in the case of Sullivan, we can put that one to bed.
Not that there won't be another "sooper-secret good guy who uses 'looking dirtier than a syphilitic dog's dick' as his cover in the counter-Resistance." There's a new one every #TwoWeeks.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 13, 2020 07:26 PM (5jaxN)
True Lies was great. Liked him in Kindergarten Cop too.
Posted by: Tuna at May 13, 2020 07:26 PM (gLRfa)
can i point out the irony that Arnold married a woman who had a
hatchet-face that resembled a mandibled alien like the one he faced in
Predator?
***
Pretty sure being married to her didn't stop him from having sex with whoever he wanted...
Posted by: 18-1 at May 13, 2020 07:26 PM (WdocV)
Judge is getting calls to "do soemething !!!" so he did. he is on someone's payroll.
Posted by: runner
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Or someone's blackmail list.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at May 13, 2020 07:26 PM (SFAhl)
Posted by: Citation X Driver at May 13, 2020 07:26 PM (+G2jw)
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny.
I read what you wrote yesterday, who can stop this? This is insane.
Posted by: CaliGirl at May 13, 2020 07:26 PM (7bcfy)
The constitution says that the executive branch has the power to bring prosecutions in federal courts. Not the judiciary. So who is going to be the prosecutor in the Flynn perjury case, since the DOJ refuses? Retired judge whoever? He has no constitutional authority to act as a federal prosecutor, anymore than Sullivan does.
And the same applies to these former "Watergate" prosecutor hacks. They don't work for the DOJ anymore. They have no power to act independently as self-appointed, free-lance prosecutors in federal courts, just because they don't agree with the DOJ. Their opinions are as irrelevant as the retired judges.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at May 13, 2020 07:26 PM (k4dH2)
Posted by: Pliney at May 13, 2020 07:26 PM (nzKWW)
Posted by: Pliney at May 13, 2020 07:20 PM (nzKWW)
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That's exactly what crossed my mind.
Posted by: Boots at May 13, 2020 07:26 PM (oGBso)
Posted by: thathalfrican - sucker free on my phone at May 13, 2020 07:26 PM (IYHxL)
Just planning. Lots of stuff I'll need to throw in the car before heading to the front.
LOL :-)
Posted by: Sapwolf at May 13, 2020 07:27 PM (nuv3n)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke
I assume there is a vending machine dispensing hits of acid in chambers.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 13, 2020 07:27 PM (+y/Ru)
Posted by: Hands at May 13, 2020 07:27 PM (786Ro)
Posted by: thathalfrican - sucker free on my phone at May 13, 2020 07:27 PM (IYHxL)
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Posted by: Tami at May 13, 2020 07:27 PM (cF8AT)
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at May 13, 2020 07:27 PM (puu6v)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 13, 2020 07:27 PM (LZcDP)
Posted by: Jewells45 at May 13, 2020 07:27 PM (dUJdY)
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at May 13, 2020 07:23 PM (GbPPJ)
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It's Climate Change!
There will be an increasing amount of bewildering court rulings as the
WE TOLD YOU! BAD THINGS!!
Posted by: Climate Change Theorists at May 13, 2020 07:27 PM (Eicbe)
I see that but I think we're missing some gloss/limitation to be found in another part of the law or in case law limiting this power.
I'm just having a hard time believing that in ONE situation, you can be charged, tried, and convicted by one man, which is completely forbidden by American law in every other case.
Posted by: ace at May 13, 2020 07:27 PM (PbpT7)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 13, 2020 07:28 PM (9oAtN)
Posted by: PINOCHET at May 13, 2020 07:28 PM (4Q1w7)
Posted by: Johnnie Cochran at May 13, 2020 07:28 PM (l7udz)
Posted by: Gref at May 13, 2020 07:28 PM (AMIL/)
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Ahhh. The cornered rat defense.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 13, 2020 07:28 PM (+y/Ru)
Sullivan won't be sated until capital punishment, one way or the other, is achieved.
Posted by: old chick at May 13, 2020 07:28 PM (sOete)
Posted by: runner
No doubt. No one, no one, is this stupid unless someone is paying them to be stupid.
Posted by: Sock Monkey..safety off at May 13, 2020 07:28 PM (E1KUp)
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See, this is the constant escalation. Because Barr and co let the Epstein murder slide, and before that the Whitey Bulger murder, the left believes it can keep running the same playbook...
Posted by: 18-1 at May 13, 2020 07:28 PM (WdocV)
Posted by: occam's brassiere at May 13, 2020 07:28 PM (ja/kn)
I fully expect you to investigate this with the vigor you used to investigate Trump.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 13, 2020 07:28 PM (hYcqw)
Posted by: I Have Questions at May 13, 2020 07:29 PM (+v+zN)
In most cases the approval is rubber-stamped, but what about rare situations in which the prosecution involved a defendant who has a relationship to the President and and the Attorney General is seen (rightly or wrongly) as a servant of the President? Should the dismissal be rubber-stamped? If not, what standard does the judge apply to the request? Is it up to the judge to refuse a request for dismissal when the judge thinks the DOJ is acting politically?
I don't see the situation quite as outrageous as most of the Horde does, but I don't know that there's any precedent for the judge to appoint someone to submit an amicus brief to argue against the dismissal.
I do wonder who would be tasked to conduct the prosecution if both the DOJ and the defendant support dismissing the case and the judge denies the dismissal. That would be interesting.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 13, 2020 07:29 PM (guGkK)
Yes, but it would be better if he didn't have to... The media/Dems would beat him over the head with it
Posted by: It's me donna at May 13, 2020 07:29 PM (Zmnko)
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Posted by: Tami at May 13, 2020 07:27 PM (cF8AT)
Tank and Edsel. Sounds enthralling
Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 13, 2020 07:29 PM (9oAtN)
>>Today Sullivan says he's considering adding perjury.
Sounds like Team Resistance.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 13, 2020 07:29 PM (ZLI7S)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 13, 2020 07:28 PM (9oAtN)
That does not change the fact that this judge has essentially declared himself Emperor.
Who's to say he could not then say he overrides the presidential pardon?
We are into fantasy land here, after all.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 13, 2020 07:29 PM (A5zUN)
*******
Senate panel moves to issue subpoena in probe of Hunter Biden in Ukraine | Just The News
Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at May 13, 2020 07:29 PM (Lrula)
Former Judge John Gleeson - the amicus appointed by Judge Sullivan - has already judged the case.
"The [Flynn] record reeks of improper political influence."
Seems to say a lot about Judge Sullivan's motives.
https://tinyurl.com/ycdcbcgk
Even his amicus is biased.
Posted by: Tami at May 13, 2020 07:29 PM (cF8AT)
I am sure he'll get right on that after he straightens out his FISA court.
Oh wait. . .
Posted by: Lizzy at May 13, 2020 07:29 PM (bDqIh)
You know who else is turning into a Kennedy woman?
Princess Kate Middleton, that's who.
She's becoming a skinny, Gaunt, skeleton.
Posted by: Soothsayer at May 13, 2020 07:29 PM (v2QQW)
Posted by: Blago at May 13, 2020 07:29 PM (Ihsvk)
You know he is crooked. He also oversaw the trial of the Wolf of Wall Street, so you know he likes to party, too.
Posted by: Czech Chick at May 13, 2020 07:29 PM (haWye)
It doesn't work that way, ace. It's the same requirements as impeaching the President -- impeachment charges passed by the House, then trial and conviction by a 2/3 majority in the Senate.
The House will NEVER impeach this guy while the Dems are in control.
And to be honest, they will never get a conviction in the Senate, ever.
The divisions are too permanent. Impeachment/removal is basically a dead letter now.
I wish it was different.
Posted by: GnuBreed at May 13, 2020 07:30 PM (Z4rgH)
Yes, but it would be better if he didn't have to... The media/Dems would beat him over the head with it
Posted by: It's me donna at May 13, 2020 07:29 PM (Zmnko)
So, a day ending in Y?
Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 13, 2020 07:30 PM (9oAtN)
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This is a modern mess. Early Presidents several times told the SC to get stuffed.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 13, 2020 07:30 PM (WdocV)
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See, this is the constant escalation. Because Barr and co let the Epstein murder slide, and before that the Whitey Bulger murder, the left believes it can keep running the same playbook..."
Throw Seth Rich onto that pile.
Death squads need to free Flynn and liquidate anyone who gets in the way.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at May 13, 2020 07:30 PM (puu6v)
It is totally up to the Judge as to what it means, and how you are punished.
...
this doesn't sound right to me. I imagine a judge can impose misdemeanor contempt on you, but I think for a crime, you'd have your right to a trial by jury of your peers.
Posted by: ace
That's what Judge Moye had Shelley Luther put in jail for.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 13, 2020 07:30 PM (xT+ue)
Also, I'd forgotten this goes up to the DC Circuit. As the Powerline article points out, don't assume that the DC Circuit won't go all that bitch was eating crackers like he owned the place and uphold anything that Sullivan does.
Fuck. This. Shit. Sideway. With. A. Pineapple.
Trump needs to show up at the next hearing and hand Flynn his pardon right in front of Sullivan.
Just. Fuck this shit.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at May 13, 2020 07:30 PM (GbPPJ)
Posted by: Widespread Pepe at May 13, 2020 07:30 PM (p0Y1J)
Yeah the penalties for shenanigans by the prosecution are not nearly still or frightening enough, they have absolutely no hesitation to constantly use them.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
I shall get right on drafting up that legislation! peon.
(Right after I finish making this pig-wing ice cream down in hell.)
Posted by: Legal/political establishment at May 13, 2020 07:30 PM (LWu6U)
Posted by: t-bird at May 13, 2020 07:30 PM (l0Lgi)
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LOL. Sullivan probably has some flunky drafting one right now.
Because hey, why stop at just usurping one other branch's constitutional powers, when you can go for broke and do them all!
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at May 13, 2020 07:30 PM (k4dH2)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 13, 2020 07:29 PM (guGkK)
Particularly when that exact same judge, in the exact same case, denied 25 different amicus briefs filed on behalf of the defense.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Ridiculous Bullshit at May 13, 2020 07:30 PM (T8HPM)
Posted by: Soothsayer at May 13, 2020 07:30 PM (v2QQW)
What the h e double toothpick is Winey-Banks talking about with Flynn being guilty of kidnapping?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke
I assume there is a vending machine dispensing hits of acid in chambers.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler
She was warned about the brown acid. She didn't listen.
Posted by: pep at May 13, 2020 07:31 PM (T6t7i)
Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at May 13, 2020 07:31 PM (oqwXA)
Posted by: runner at May 13, 2020 07:31 PM (zr5Kq)
Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at May 13, 2020 07:31 PM (Lrula)
The Judge is correct on the Federal law.
HE can either have the regular prosecutor do it, or at the discretion of the Court, appoint anyone he wants to prosecute Contempt charges.
Its a really stupid Federal law, but it looks like the Judge is determined to nail Flynn for anything he can.
He is saying the Flynn, by lying when he pled guilty, was in Contempt of the Court itself.
Its like being accused of obstruction of Justice for defending yourself.
Same mindset.
Posted by: Romeo13 at May 13, 2020 07:31 PM (NgKpN)
This sullivan shit is going directly for Barr's head, and by extension, Trump's.
Posted by: Soothsayer at May 13, 2020 07:31 PM (v2QQW)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 13, 2020 07:32 PM (+y/Ru)
Yeah and the reason its automatic in other courts is... if the prosecution declines to prosecute, how are you going to compel them to do it? If they refuse, who will be the prosecutor? See the problem here? Its idiotic to even consider keeping the case going.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 13, 2020 07:32 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: tubal at May 13, 2020 07:32 PM (bCLt0)
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In most cases the approval is rubber-stamped, but what about rare situations in which the prosecution involved a defendant who has a relationship to the President and and the Attorney General is seen (rightly or wrongly) as a servant of the President? Should the dismissal be rubber-stamped? If not, what standard does the judge apply to the request? Is it up to the judge to refuse a request for dismissal when the judge thinks the DOJ is acting politically?
I don't see the situation quite as outrageous as most of the Horde does, but I don't know that there's any precedent for the judge to appoint someone to submit an amicus brief to argue against the dismissal.
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Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 13, 2020 07:29 PM (guGkK)
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Doesn't hold up. Even if there are concerns about the dismissal being "politically motivated" in the press - or even in reality - it doesn't hold up. They withheld Brady material. Flynn was connect by his politically-connected (to *their* side) lawyers. They threatened to go after his kid to cut a side-deal that they then didn't disclose in yet another violation.
There is so much prosecutorial misconduct on this that there's no conflict.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 13, 2020 07:32 PM (hYcqw)
Note, this is straight out of the federal law on criminal contempt.
Posted by: Romeo13
Ok.
Name the time and date of Flynn's act of contempt.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 13, 2020 07:32 PM (UdCe2)
Posted by: Judge Ed Sullivan at May 13, 2020 07:32 PM (v0R5T)
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Ahhh. The cornered rat defense.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks
Do the booger hooks go on the bang switches yet?
Posted by: rickb223 at May 13, 2020 07:32 PM (xT+ue)
Can't trump pardon Flynn for anything the judge throws at him?
Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 13, 2020 07:28 PM (9oAtN)
Sure. You can't pardon for impeachment, but otherwise the federal pardon power is a plenary power of the president.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Poetry Power! Sonnets of the Shut-Ins Available at The Outrage Outlet! at May 13, 2020 07:32 PM (RgoC/)
Posted by: Case at May 13, 2020 07:33 PM (6lFAa)
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Has anyone actually ever been prosecuted for this before?
Posted by: 18-1 at May 13, 2020 07:33 PM (WdocV)
She's always been skinny though this crap with Harry and the actress has probably taken its toll.
Posted by: Tuna at May 13, 2020 07:33 PM (gLRfa)
Don't think Sullivan is alone in this -- he's got lots of allies in the federal government -- it's another goddam conspiracy.
Posted by: Soothsayer at May 13, 2020 07:33 PM (v2QQW)
If this is douchey on my part, I apologize for my lack of grace to the assembled morons, the host of this blog, and to Jackstraw.
Posted by: El Jefe at May 13, 2020 07:33 PM (Ae67h)
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*It'll never get to appeal. Trump would pardon him in a heartbeat and Sullivan has to know that.*
Posted by: JackStraw at May 13, 2020 07:12 PM (ZLI7S)
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Even if Flynn gets a Presidential Pardon the second the judges sentenses him to prison, that judge (and I use that term advisedly) would still be an instant HERO to the left, and would probably be on the short list to being promoted should we get that left wing president and a left leaning senate.
And...Trump has been reluctant to stop this sort of stuff in the past. None of the other defendants in this corrupt-ass Russiagate phony trials have gotten pardons or any sort of clemency. He lets the process grind out.
Which...may serve a purpose. Maybe it makes their eventual acquittal via appeal or what not more ... "legitimate" in the public view. I don't know.
Or maybe the longer the public sees this judge act in such a dishonest, extrajudicial way, the more they will turn towards Trump.
I honestly don't know.
Posted by: El Jefe at May 13, 2020 07:24 PM (Ae67h)
528 This is just a judge going way outside the lines on a personal vendetta. I wonder if it has to do with the awesome job his previous counsel at Covington did, $6 million for a guilty plea. Eric Holder has already come out and slammed Barr for dropping the charges and he is a senior partner at Covington.
Think of that. The law firm that represented Flynn is trashing the DOJ dropping charges.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 13, 2020 07:12 PM (ZLI7S)
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An excellent point.
6 million for a guilty plea and a defense that seemed to be nothing more than..."don't make waves,...don't fight,...it will go tougher on you if you do...now press down hard on the pen, you have to make three copies..."
I remember just being completely flummoxed when I heard that Eric Holder was a senior partner at the firm in charge of defending Obama Secret Enemy Number One....
Posted by: El Jefe at May 13, 2020 07:27 PM (Ae67h)
Posted by: El Jefe at May 13, 2020 07:33 PM (Ae67h)
Posted by: I Have Questions at May 13, 2020 07:29 PM (+v+zN)
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In the Federalists, Publius (Jay, I've been told) even admits that a separate judiciary is an experiment to keep the legislature from retroactively re-interpreting its laws.
Posted by: Axeman at May 13, 2020 07:33 PM (Eicbe)
Posted by: Widespread Pepe at May 13, 2020 07:33 PM (p0Y1J)
Which is utterly insupportable in law and precedent.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 13, 2020 07:33 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 13, 2020 07:32 PM (UdCe2)
"His Honor" is arguing that by dishonestly pleading guilty, Flynn placed himself in contempt.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Ridiculous Bullshit at May 13, 2020 07:33 PM (T8HPM)
https://washex.am/2T4ZUth
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Devin Nunes: Criminal referrals coming for Mueller team
Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani
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To be precise, "We're looking at doing criminal referrals."
I like Nunes, but "looking at" "referrals" ain't squat.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at May 13, 2020 07:34 PM (SFAhl)
Posted by: Fortcoins at May 13, 2020 07:34 PM (1vIuC)
We need a panel and we need it now!
Posted by: Tuna at May 13, 2020 07:34 PM (gLRfa)
Name the time and date of Flynn's act of contempt.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 13, 2020 07:32 PM (UdCe2)
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Looks to me like Sullivan is saying the guilty plea was perjury and an act of contempt.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 13, 2020 07:34 PM (WEBkv)
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He probably deserved it. I wonder what he was wearing.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 13, 2020 07:34 PM (+y/Ru)
Hold on to your hats, cause I betcha it is gonna get more interesting.
Posted by: eastofsuez at May 13, 2020 07:34 PM (U2zca)
That would be conceding this novel system of justice to Sullivan.
Posted by: t-bird at May 13, 2020 07:34 PM (9Fwwf)
Posted by: El Jefe at May 13, 2020 07:34 PM (Ae67h)
Posted by: Blago at May 13, 2020 07:29 PM (Ihsvk)
Never doubt that after all is done, he remains inviolate. Judges are godlike, looks like.
Posted by: tubal at May 13, 2020 07:34 PM (bCLt0)
Posted by: x at May 13, 2020 07:34 PM (nFwvY)
Posted by: Community Organizer at May 13, 2020 07:34 PM (4DZNt)
Yes, but it would be better if he didn't have to... The media/Dems would beat him over the head with
- - - -
If Flynn is innocent then it proves all we've been revealed about Team Coup, and that it goes all the way up to Obama.
If Flynn is guilty but pardoned than Team Coup is a conspiracy theory. And by guilty I mean: the court validates the Obama and friends narrative (we know Flynn's not guilty).
This is about much more than Flynn,
Posted by: Lizzy at May 13, 2020 07:35 PM (bDqIh)
Not only do they make life hard for Flynn and Trump, but they defend their fantasies about Russian collusion. If Trump pardons him, that will just motivate their deranged base to fight harder.
They are over the hump, delusion-wise. People reach a point where they are so deluded that the more reality fights back the worse they think the conspiracy is.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at May 13, 2020 07:35 PM (LWu6U)
Posted by: El Jefe at May 13, 2020 07:34 PM (Ae67h)
Code?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 13, 2020 07:35 PM (A5zUN)
3m
Replying to @Techno_Fog
Oh my the fun @SidneyPowell1 will have with this guy.
Not to mention the Supreme Court ruled on amicus abuse just LAST WEEK.
twitter.com/VicToensing/st
Victoria Toensing @VicToensing
Does Judge Sullivan read SupCt decisions? Last week SupCt held using amici was "drastic departure" and "abuse of discretion."Why amici for @GenFlynn now when Judge refused Flynn friends amici 24 times. Judge shld be removed from case...then from Bench. #obamagate #maga
Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at May 13, 2020 07:35 PM (Lrula)
Posted by: Floridachick at May 13, 2020 07:35 PM (WImJc)
Posted by: tubal
Tell that to Judge Woods.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 13, 2020 07:35 PM (xT+ue)
She's just jealous because Pippa has the better backside.
Posted by: pep at May 13, 2020 07:35 PM (T6t7i)
Posted by: ace at May 13, 2020 07:35 PM (PbpT7)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 13, 2020 07:35 PM (85Gof)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 13, 2020 07:35 PM (9oAtN)
Posted by: Gref at May 13, 2020 07:35 PM (AMIL/)
To be precise, "We're looking at doing criminal referrals."
I like Nunes, but "looking at" "referrals" ain't squat.
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#twoweeks!
Posted by: two weeks at May 13, 2020 07:35 PM (WdocV)
I would finally have a chance to defend myself in a court setting, the prosecution is going to be absolutely winging it since the DOJ dropped the case under lack of facts. The chance for Discovery would be huge for the defense.
Prosecution would look for the conspirators to testify and they could refuse and Judge Sullivan is left holding an empty shit sandwich or they show up and get set up for a perjury trap. At the end of every day I waltz out find news crew (Preferably CNN) and remind them of how wrong they were and how you should really not trust your sources.
Posted by: Picric at May 13, 2020 07:36 PM (nonGu)
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Has anyone actually ever been prosecuted for this before?
Posted by: 18-1 at May 13, 2020 07:33 PM (WdocV)
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Andrew McCarthy laid out the case that Powell would have to be *careful* in reversing the plea. Perjury was the charge he mentioned.
Posted by: Axeman at May 13, 2020 07:36 PM (Eicbe)
Posted by: Roland Freisler at May 13, 2020 07:11 PM (WdocV)
I agree. It's almost like Trump himself has planted this guy there. How could he get someone to be so completed fucking insane and also involved in this Flynn thing? I am gobsmacked.
Posted by: Roy at May 13, 2020 07:36 PM (Ti+Tv)
And, if I recall correctly, the defendant IS NOT sworn in to make his plea
The case is called
The charge is read
The judge asks the defendant if he understands the charge
The judge asks the defendant how they will plea
There is never a "raise your right hand"
Why?
Because the 5th amendment-- to even swear you in is compelling you to testify
This is so far fucked up, fucked up was 20 miles ago
Posted by: RoyalOil at May 13, 2020 07:36 PM (aO8Gd)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 13, 2020 07:36 PM (85Gof)
Posted by: El Jefe at May 13, 2020 07:34 PM (Ae67h)
Code?
Posted by: Aetius451AD
3, 2, 4, 6, 1, 1.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 13, 2020 07:36 PM (xT+ue)
or here
https://tinyurl.com/ycdcbcgk
This is not America
This is not America
Posted by: ace at May 13, 2020 07:36 PM (PbpT7)
I see that but I think we're missing some gloss/limitation to be found in another part of the law or in case law limiting this power.
I'm just having a hard time believing that in ONE situation, you can be charged, tried, and convicted by one man, which is completely forbidden by American law in every other case.
Posted by: ace at May 13, 2020 07:27 PM (PbpT7)
Time to get out the riot gear.
Posted by: Braenyard at May 13, 2020 07:36 PM (TAe5w)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 13, 2020 07:36 PM (KZzsI)
Thinking of talking about looking at considering doing criminal referrals.
But there will definitely be a "Harumph!"
Posted by: t-bird at May 13, 2020 07:36 PM (DMQdU)
AND THE FUCKING FEDERAL JUDGE REFUSES TO DO THE RIGHT THING!
I need to *types* *deletes* for a bit.
Posted by: BifBewalski - sinis est culus at May 13, 2020 07:36 PM (VcFUs)
Posted by: Axeman at May 13, 2020 07:36 PM (Eicbe)
*******
Sandy Andy is a Deep State whore
Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at May 13, 2020 07:36 PM (Lrula)
Posted by: ace at May 13, 2020 07:35 PM (PbpT7)
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America is a deep cover op.
Posted by: Axeman at May 13, 2020 07:37 PM (Eicbe)
Posted by: Drudge Headlines at May 13, 2020 07:37 PM (PbpT7)
Well, look on the bright side. These people are so unbelievably scared. The judge got a 3 am phone call.
There will be more crazy alternate-reality, wishful- thinking behavior. A lot more. The inevitable product of - dare I say it - impending justice and success?
No point debating. Our people didn't debate fanatical dead-end Imperial Japanese soldiers firing from bunkers. They just pumped in gasoline and lit it on fire.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at May 13, 2020 07:37 PM (6CdzR)
Posted by: Roy at May 13, 2020 07:36 PM (Ti+Tv)
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Flynn was supposed to be an in-and-out routine railroading and they got a competent operator on their side for it.
Then it went all pear-shaped.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 13, 2020 07:37 PM (hYcqw)
I like Nunes, but "looking at" "referrals" ain't squat.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at May 13, 2020 07:34 PM (SFAhl)
Just like when Barr told US attorneys to "look into" violations of the Constitution re: lockdown orders.
In other words, just more hot air.
Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at May 13, 2020 07:38 PM (oqwXA)
But I do know that it is high time that Barr/Durham start raining blows and bringing the pain.
Because while our side plods along crossing I's , dotting T's and making sure everything is just so, the other side is executing atomic knee drops from the top rope.
And we are simply running out of time.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 13, 2020 07:38 PM (xXJfx)
In order to unmask someone there has to be a "need to know". You can't just unmask someone for shits and giggles.
What was the need to know to unmask Flynn before the Kislyak call?
Posted by: JackStraw at May 13, 2020 07:38 PM (ZLI7S)
Posted by: occam's brassiere at May 13, 2020 07:38 PM (ja/kn)
1. Flynn was lying when he pled guilty. He is clearly a sick masochist and needs to be punished (hey, wait a second...)
2. He pled *under duress* and the people involved in the investigation and prosecution were high-tech kidnapping him using the legal process, and THEY must be punished.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at May 13, 2020 07:38 PM (LWu6U)
Sullivan needs to be removed from this case, if not the courtroom entirely.
However, if Roberts is his superior, it won't happen.
And with Roberts on the bench at SCOTUS, they'll probably decline any appeal Powell may bring.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 13, 2020 07:38 PM (WEBkv)
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 13, 2020 07:38 PM (hYcqw)
Posted by: Hesco Gypsy, stating from 457 meters at May 13, 2020 07:38 PM (7cch0)
Posted by: Brother Cavil Tim at May 13, 2020 07:38 PM (CUU+W)
Posted by: Aetius451AD
3, 2, 4, 6, 1, 1.
Posted by: rickb223
d...r...i....n..k...m...o...r..e ... O...v...a
aw hell
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 13, 2020 07:38 PM (KZzsI)
https://twitter.com/brianstelter/status/1260708500063367168
BREAKING: Charles Manson more concerned with Watergate than in Sharon Tate's home security.
Posted by: El Kabong at May 13, 2020 07:38 PM (datdl)
I'm a little less concerned about getting good press and optics at this point. We're way out over our skis here.
Nothing Trump does will ever be praised in the press. Nothing we say or do will ever convince one of them that this was all a major coup to overthrow a President.
Immovable objects and unstoppable forces. Fuck optics. War.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 13, 2020 07:38 PM (9oAtN)
Posted by: Axeman at May 13, 2020 07:36 PM (Eicbe)
*******
Sandy Andy is a Deep State whore
Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at May 13, 2020 07:36 PM (Lrula)
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He wasn't cheerleading it! He simply laid out the potential about the time Powell was brought in and suggested it would be reversed.
You really think the guy that said he opposed FISA from the beginning and thinks that the jury is in on FISA being abolished is a "deep state whore"?!
Man some of you people have hair triggers.
Posted by: Axeman at May 13, 2020 07:38 PM (Eicbe)
Posted by: My Pimp Shot My Dealer at May 13, 2020 07:38 PM (d6DSt)
Posted by: rickb223 at May 13, 2020 07:36 PM (xT+ue)
*decodes*
Drink... more....Ovaltine.
Fucking commercial.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 13, 2020 07:39 PM (A5zUN)
Its like being accused of obstruction of Justice for defending yourself.
Same mindset.
Posted by: Romeo13 at May 13, 2020 07:31 PM (NgKpN)
Remember, the expansion of civil asset forfeiture in the 1980s was presented as being for the express purpose of stripping defendants, specifically drug dealers, of assets so that the defendants could not afford to hire lawyers to defend themselves.
The colloquy on guilty pleas is designed to give the defendant a chance to tell the court that he was being forced to take a plea. It's not ANOTHER FUCKING PERJURY TRAP. What galls me about all of this is that there are specific procedures in place which allow for the withdrawal of a guilty plea. If doing so opened one up to charges of criminal contempt, then, well, types and deletes.
I'm desperately unhappy that I'm going to end up being right about Sullivan doing anything he can to avoid dismissing the charges.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at May 13, 2020 07:39 PM (GbPPJ)
Uh. does this mean every plea deal ever is subject to possible perjury?
Posted by: Lizzy at May 13, 2020 07:39 PM (bDqIh)
Posted by: occam's brassiere at May 13, 2020 07:38 PM (ja/kn)
+++++++++++++++
Even better: the DoJ doesn't send anyone, either, and co-signs that declaration.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 13, 2020 07:39 PM (hYcqw)
Posted by: Inogame at May 13, 2020 07:39 PM (+2xjH)
I'm worried that they are right.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 13, 2020 07:39 PM (KZzsI)
Tar and feathers. Repeat as necessary.
Posted by: jim at May 13, 2020 07:39 PM (DF+pC)
Two sets of rules. America needs a national divorce. Like yesterday.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at May 13, 2020 07:40 PM (AFSld)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider,
Well, that's even more lunatic; a defendant isn't allowed to enter a plea.
That's batshit insane.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 13, 2020 07:40 PM (UdCe2)
Posted by: occam's brassiere at May 13, 2020 07:40 PM (ja/kn)
Sidney Powell has already set the next move in motion. (i think she likes it to fight)
Posted by: Braenyard at May 13, 2020 07:40 PM (TAe5w)
Contempt is generally a misdemeanor offense, imprisonment is (usually) for not longer than 30 days although in extreme cases it can go much longer.
More importantly the 6th Amendment right to a jury trial applies only if the maximum punishment would exceed 6 months incarceration.
Posted by: nevyan at May 13, 2020 07:40 PM (a7HML)
Late to thread, read content, went to bottom of comments and started scrolling up, thinking "I need AtC's cromulent commentary, stat!", and lo, two comments up, there it is.
She doesn't just spin in her chair trilling "Wheeeeee!", folks. Aside from her legal play-by-play AND color commentary, her fashion (particularly boots) tips, her spontaneous displays of victorious images at momentous times, and her positivity and generosity of spirit, she, along with CBD, are responsible for bringing one of The Horde's Most Treasured Memes (MTM) to prominence, BCochran's irrepressible Carrots in Chili vision to us.
All hail AtC!
Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 13, 2020 07:40 PM (DMUuz)
Posted by: UGAdawg at May 13, 2020 07:41 PM (tRd71)
Posted by: Axeman at May 13, 2020 07:36 PM (Eicbe)
McCarthy likes to blab.
Posted by: runner at May 13, 2020 07:41 PM (zr5Kq)
Then it went all pear-shaped.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 13, 2020 07:37 PM (hYcqw)
No offense to Brian Stelter.
Or pears.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 13, 2020 07:41 PM (9oAtN)
Posted by: JackStraw at May 13, 2020 07:41 PM (ZLI7S)
Posted by: Floridachick at May 13, 2020 07:41 PM (WImJc)
Name the time and date of Flynn's act of contempt.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 13, 2020 07:32 PM (UdCe2)
Contempt is whatever the Judge decides it is.
If they give you a Judicial order like apologize to the court, and you don't? criminal contempt (as we just saw in Texas).
I 'think' the Judge is saying that the Act of Flynn admitting guilt, when he was not, and then recanting on said admission,
was contemptuous of the Court.
Remember, this is the Judge that already said Flynn was a traitor. He actively dislikes or even Hates Flynn.
Is this really stretching the law through sophistry?
But remember, this is the same Court system that declared a guy growing chicken feed for his own chickens, somehow is bound by INTERSTATE commerce statutes.
Posted by: Romeo13 at May 13, 2020 07:41 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: tubal at May 13, 2020 07:41 PM (bCLt0)
Sullivan's definitely making the case for moving potential Durham prosecutions out of DC.
Posted by: occam's brassiere
I recommend Sparta as an alternative venue.
Posted by: pep at May 13, 2020 07:41 PM (T6t7i)
He has been running a Shadow Government since 2016.
#theresistance must be smashed or we the People are just fucking completely done.
Posted by: deplorable unperson - END THE LOCKDOWN : It's just a damn bug at May 13, 2020 07:41 PM (/+dbF)
Uh. does this mean every plea deal ever is subject to possible perjury?
Posted by: Lizzy at May 13, 202
It sounds like it.
Posted by: CaliGirl at May 13, 2020 07:41 PM (7bcfy)
Posted by: occam's brassiere at May 13, 2020 07:40 PM (ja/kn)
THIS
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 13, 2020 07:41 PM (85Gof)
Posted by: JackStraw at May 13, 2020 07:41 PM (ZLI7S)
+++++++++++++
https://youtu.be/PobrSpMwKk4
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 13, 2020 07:41 PM (hYcqw)
Posted by: Skip at May 13, 2020 07:41 PM (ZCEU2)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 13, 2020 07:41 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: jim at May 13, 2020 07:41 PM (DF+pC)
*********
Sorry sweetie he has been for 2 years & then when even a Retard could see how corrupt everything was he all of a sudden got it
Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at May 13, 2020 07:42 PM (Lrula)
Posted by: ace at May 13, 2020 07:27 PM (PbpT7)
You mean like when Obama droned those American citizens who joined al-Qaeda?
Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at May 13, 2020 07:42 PM (oqwXA)
HE can either have the regular prosecutor do it, or at the discretion of the Court, appoint anyone he wants to prosecute Contempt charges.
_______________
If there is a federal law that allows him to do that, it is an unconstitutional usurpation of the executive branch's sole authority to prosecute cases in federal courts. Federal laws can't give to the judicial branch the powers that the constitution vests solely in the executive branch.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at May 13, 2020 07:42 PM (k4dH2)
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at May 13, 2020 07:42 PM (puu6v)
Posted by: Floridachick at May 13, 2020 07:41 PM (WImJc)
Bet the Wisc Gov now signs off on said order.
Posted by: Romeo13 at May 13, 2020 07:42 PM (NgKpN)
*girls fainting and screaming*
Posted by: Judge Ed Sullivan at May 13, 2020 07:42 PM (v0R5T)
Hawaiian Judge
All Other District Court Judges
God
Executive-Judicial-Legislative
Animals
Motes
Citizens
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at May 13, 2020 07:42 PM (dNzKv)
Rules don't constrain power. Power defines the rules. Learn it - or continue to suffer.
Posted by: I Have No Party at May 13, 2020 07:42 PM (avboE)
Posted by: Tinky-Winky at May 13, 2020 07:42 PM (WW6ok)
I'm tryin' not to lose my head
Huh uh-huh huh huh huh
It's like a jungle sometimes it makes me wonder
How I keep from goin' under...
Posted by: Guy Smiley at May 13, 2020 07:42 PM (+7yf7)
And in context, this is far more than outrageous.
This entire prosecution was a debacle and an outrage, based on facts now known to everyone, including Sullivan.
Didn't the prosecution commit crimes even after Sullivan took over the case? Brady material?
*A "LOST" 302*?????
In context, Sullivan here looks horrendous, stupid, lawless, and he'd be a disgrace to the federal judiciary, if such a thing were any longer theoretically feasible.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 13, 2020 07:43 PM (El6T/)
Posted by: occam's brassiere at May 13, 2020 07:40 PM (ja/kn)
THIS
Posted by: Nevergiveup a
Yes, I agree, but I don't think they can, not without a change in the law giving the prosecutor the right to change venue in a politically charged case.
i don't think prosecutors can remove a case to make sure they have a fair jury, can they? I think it's the defense that makes such a request.
Posted by: ace at May 13, 2020 07:43 PM (PbpT7)
Posted by: Floridachick at May 13, 2020 07:43 PM (WImJc)
This "should" happen.
So-and-so powerful person "should do" x, y, z.
Meanwhile the Left doesn't blows right on past the "should" we do this or that and just gets busy doing stuff.
Posted by: Hands at May 13, 2020 07:43 PM (786Ro)
If they keep this up, it's going to come to that. Someone else is going to snap.
Posted by: torabora at May 13, 2020 07:43 PM (Y274z)
If Flynn and his team contend that the Guilty plea was coerced, and the "judge" declares that was perjury, would that not mean that the prosecution team suborned the perjury?
So then the "judge" would have to have charges pressed against them as well.
Along with all the FBI people who set the case up.
Posted by: Sam at May 13, 2020 07:43 PM (ohyxL)
Posted by: Count de Monet at May 13, 2020 07:43 PM (q1Pj5)
Actually, Ace, in Italy and France, this is exactly how their insane legal system works -- the judge IS the prosecutor. The roles are all jumbled up, from a fair-minded American jurisprudence vantage-point.
So, such powers aren't "undreamt of" -- they're just undreamt-of in sane civilized countries. Italy and France don't count.
Posted by: zombie at May 13, 2020 07:43 PM (N9G0H)
(I have no idea if he's a liberal or conservative)
Posted by: CaliGirl at May 13, 2020 07:43 PM (7bcfy)
Its like the Mueller team argument that refusing to assist the prosecutor in prosecuting you is obstruction of justice.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 13, 2020 07:43 PM (KZzsI)
but that's extrajudicial, and also, Obama is a closeted homosexual and communist who ate a dog.
Posted by: ace at May 13, 2020 07:44 PM (PbpT7)
Posted by: 18-1 at May 13, 2020 07:19 PM (WdocV)
And his kids are adults, now, if their adoption is the source.
Posted by: Fox2! at May 13, 2020 07:44 PM (h6SKA)
Posted by: JackStraw at May 13, 2020 07:41 PM (ZLI7S)
https://tinyurl.com/y9dh7837
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 13, 2020 07:44 PM (A5zUN)
Posted by: ace at May 13, 2020 07:27 PM (PbpT7)"
Contempt is one case where that can happen, but if memory serves a jury trial can be demanded.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at May 13, 2020 07:44 PM (puu6v)
If a guilty plea is a lie, wasn't the prosecution that coerced the guilty plea therefore also a lie? We hold the defendant to a higher standard than the prosecution? Hell of a way to run a railroad job.
Posted by: ptschett at May 13, 2020 07:44 PM (zB+vL)
Posted by: Robert Shropshire at May 13, 2020 07:44 PM (4qwvK)
Posted by: UGAdawg at May 13, 2020 07:44 PM (tRd71)
And I don't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Powell. Like. I'm not in the same hemisphere as she is re: legal prowess.
He wasn't cheerleading it! He simply laid out the potential about the time Powell was brought in and suggested it would be reversed.
You really think the guy that said he opposed FISA from the beginning and thinks that the jury is in on FISA being abolished is a "deep state whore"?!
Man some of you people have hair triggers.
Posted by: Axeman at May 13, 2020 07:38 PM (Eicbe)
Andrew McCarthy, you know, former federal prosecutor Andrew McCarthy, assured us all that it was only the crazies who thought that the dossier was used to get the FISA warrants. Andrew McCarthy spent years extolling the virtues of the DOJ. He was adamant that Mueller and McCabe and Comey and on and on were the most honorable and decent of men and would never ever ever do anything improper!
And now he wants to go out there and act like he knew all of this was awful all along and here buy my book!
It's not a trigger. It's observing reality.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at May 13, 2020 07:44 PM (GbPPJ)
Sullivan is going to issue a ruling that denies the motion to withdraw the guilty plea.
He will issue findings in his order that Trump exercised undue influence and obstructed justice by pressuring the DOJ to drop the charges.
He will make further findings that none of the exculpatory evidence was material, that the government still had sufficient evidence--beyond a reasonable doubt, mind you-- that Flynn is guilty.
Trump is on trial here.
You and I are on trial here.
Posted by: RoyalOil at May 13, 2020 07:44 PM (aO8Gd)
And the R's play to....play. . Well , Sometimes . Sorta. May be.
Exhibit A in this particular situation with Dem 'Judge' Sullivan: John The P*ssy Roberts. '
R's are.the Washington Generals ---with a ringer named Trump who snuck on the team.
Posted by: The people across the aisle want us silenced at best,dead at worst at May 13, 2020 07:44 PM (xXx5y)
Posted by: It's me donna at May 13, 2020 07:44 PM (Zmnko)
And greater judges have bigger judges and so on up to the Supreme court.
Still not going to replace Muldoon
Posted by: Skip at May 13, 2020 07:44 PM (ZCEU2)
Posted by: Tami at May 13, 2020 07:44 PM (cF8AT)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 13, 2020 07:41 PM (KZzsI)
Then they are arguing that we have no justice, that we have no law.
Posted by: Braenyard at May 13, 2020 07:44 PM (TAe5w)
Sullivan also told Sidney Powell to quit producing Brady evidence (or whatever kind of evidence that was). I thought that was because he'd seen more than enough to toss the case, but maybe it was another reason he asked to not see any more.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at May 13, 2020 07:44 PM (SFAhl)
However, if the government can be shown to have coerced you into that confession, the judge will typically toss out the perjury charge. And I think the case is very strong that has happened here.
Posted by: Inspector Kemp at May 13, 2020 07:44 PM (8Xxh3)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 13, 2020 07:44 PM (+y/Ru)
So, he's making-up a process for a colleague to be a prosecutor, while he continues as Flynn's judge, jury and executioner.
Posted by: Gref at May 13, 2020 07:45 PM (AMIL/)
The process is the punishment and the punishment is the process.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 13, 2020 07:45 PM (r+sAi)
Posted by: jim at May 13, 2020 07:39 PM (DF+pC)
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I'm disgusted by Pollyanna's like Roberts who think there are special rules for people in a certain class or profession that they can't be corrupted. "There are no Obama judges"?
Fuck you, you Pussillanimous Pollyanna!
You may know a lot about the law--but you can't piss on me and tell me it's raining!
Posted by: Axeman at May 13, 2020 07:45 PM (Eicbe)
this judge should be tossed face first into
Posted by: UGAdawg at May 13, 2020 07:41 PM (tRd71)
FIFY.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 13, 2020 07:45 PM (5jaxN)
Posted by: runner at May 13, 2020 07:45 PM (zr5Kq)
Where in the district court authorization does it state that district
judges are all powerful branches of the government unto themselves?
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at May 13, 2020 07:24 PM (dNzKv)
Through-out history district court rulings only applied to the district that made the ruling. All that changed under the Obama reign of terror where some punk-ass district judge made rulings that applied nation wide. And several SCOTUS judges said that had to stop.
Posted by: Vic at May 13, 2020 07:45 PM (mpXpK)
Posted by: Romeo13
No trial for treason? And yet you claim him a traitor?
No bias there judge.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 13, 2020 07:45 PM (xT+ue)
ah yes you're reminding me of the Knox case.
but... is the prosecutor really the judge? I don't know. i know it's odd, but I don't know if the prosecutor is really the judge.
Posted by: ace at May 13, 2020 07:45 PM (PbpT7)
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at May 13, 2020 07:45 PM (9Om/r)
Posted by: The Judges Who Say "Ni!" at May 13, 2020 07:45 PM (vOGqy)
Posted by: It's me donna at May 13, 2020 07:44 PM (Zmnko
It does have a Hail Mary like feel to it all.
I think these fuckers know what's coming.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 13, 2020 07:45 PM (9oAtN)
Like who? One or two will make a statement on Twitter, but really, will ANY senator go to bat for Flynn besides thoughts and prayers? No.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at May 13, 2020 07:45 PM (AFSld)
WSJ wrote it was "routine"and done "thousands of times a year".
What they didn't tell you is it's use against an opposition political campaign and then president elect is unprecedented. It's never been done.
They also skip right over the illegalities involved with the FBI and intelligence agencies. Nor do they get into the Russia conspiracy. None of that is "routine".
Posted by: Hesco Gypsy, stating from 457 meters at May 13, 2020 07:45 PM (7cch0)
Where I'm getting the contempt crap.
Whole law gives judges WAY too much power.
Posted by: Romeo13 at May 13, 2020 07:45 PM (NgKpN)
Judge: The people? Pshaw. I'll prosecute this bitch.
Your honor! You can't do that!
Quiet, you! I'll prosecute you, too! You are in contempt, the people are in contempt! This whole damn country is in contempt of me! All citizens are on lockdown!
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at May 13, 2020 07:45 PM (dNzKv)
Why does a federal judge ever deny a motion of the prosecution to dismiss? I'm sure it happens. I honestly don't know what standard is applied (I'm strictly a civil litigator) and I'm too lazy to look it up, but I'll bet that one reason that would support a denial is the possibility of collusion of some kind between the defendant and the prosecutor.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 13, 2020 07:46 PM (guGkK)
And a federal judge struck down Massachusetts' gun shop closure order last week.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 13, 2020 07:46 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at May 13, 2020 07:46 PM (GbPPJ)
Posted by: Darth Randall at May 13, 2020 07:46 PM (iWCRg)
Posted by: ... at May 13, 2020 07:46 PM (yokAj)
Posted by: Soothsayer at May 13, 2020 07:30 PM (v2QQW)
How many divisions does Judge Sullivan have? Because he's in for an epic smack down
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 13, 2020 07:46 PM (XnD7Z)
Posted by: getting the banned back together at May 13, 2020 07:46 PM (/y7J6)
And his multi-million dollar lawsuit is a stillbirth.
Posted by: GnuBreed at May 13, 2020 07:46 PM (Z4rgH)
Posted by: Tinky-Winky at May 13, 2020 07:42 PM (WW6ok)
Judge Ito >>> Judge Sullivan
Posted by: Count de Monet at May 13, 2020 07:46 PM (q1Pj5)
President Trump says new House coronavirus relief package is "dead on arrival"
Posted by: Tami at May 13, 2020 07:44 PM (cF8AT)
********
Sen. Graham said this last night & everybody ripped on Graham
Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at May 13, 2020 07:46 PM (Lrula)
Posted by: ace at May 13, 2020 07:44 PM (PbpT7)
So are you saying there ARE situations where US citizens have no right to due process?
Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at May 13, 2020 07:46 PM (oqwXA)
Posted by: It's me donna at May 13, 2020 07:44 PM (Zmnko)
+++++++++++++
Not Obama, not exactly. It's the entire status quo of the federal government. Their lawlessness, their arbitrary behavior, their deep corruption, their casual criminality. All of it. This is bigger than Obama at this point.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 13, 2020 07:46 PM (hYcqw)
Surprised it hasn't happened already.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 13, 2020 07:46 PM (Z+IKu)
And several SCOTUS judges said that had to stop.
Posted by: Vic
And they didn't do jack shit to make it stop.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 13, 2020 07:46 PM (xT+ue)
That's why he got that amicus brief, to get someone else to sign off on the idea that the DOJ's dropping the case was irregular and improper. Which, of course, he got.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 13, 2020 07:46 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: steve at May 13, 2020 07:46 PM (TTy55)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at May 13, 2020 07:46 PM (AFSld)
Posted by: ace
Correction: He didn't just eat "a" dog -- instead, dog was a standard part of his ongoing diet for a while. He ate dog, not a dog.
He also ate cock, but that was later.
Posted by: zombie at May 13, 2020 07:46 PM (N9G0H)
Surprised it hasn't happened already.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy
Charles Harrelson is still in jail.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 13, 2020 07:47 PM (xT+ue)
He has been running a Shadow Government since 2016.
#theresistance must be smashed or we the People are just fucking completely done.
Posted by: deplorable unperson - END THE LOCKDOWN : It's just a damn bug
Obama needs to pay the price or they won't stop. The Civil Service needs to be shitcanned.
Posted by: x at May 13, 2020 07:47 PM (nFwvY)
When's the next hearing in front of this "judge?"
Time to storm his courtroom.
It's not like we're busy.
Posted by: Soothsayer at May 13, 2020 07:47 PM (usBW1)
As I said earlier today, this is simply the Deep State keeping Flynn yoked to the wheel of pain, they will never give him up, EVER.
The only way out is for Trump to pardon him.
This shit is no longer tolerable, it truly is time to hoist the black flag.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 13, 2020 07:47 PM (xXJfx)
Posted by: freaked at May 13, 2020 07:47 PM (Tnijr)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at May 13, 2020 07:47 PM (dNzKv)
Posted by: occam's brassiere at May 13, 2020 07:47 PM (ja/kn)
Other than stern and angry statements, there isn't anything they can do, that I know of.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 13, 2020 07:48 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 13, 2020 07:48 PM (+y/Ru)
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 13, 2020 07:48 PM (hYcqw)
Subpoenas coming right up!
Posted by: Lindsay Graham - fight, fight, fighting for you! at May 13, 2020 07:48 PM (/+dbF)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 13, 2020 07:41 PM (KZzsI)
Guaranteed question to PDT from the press at the next opportunity: "Mr. President, how many unmasking requests have you personally made?"
Posted by: Gref at May 13, 2020 07:48 PM (AMIL/)
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at May 13, 2020 07:48 PM (PUmDY)
If roberts doesn't do that, then he can do it, just because no one stopped him from committing an illegal act.
Posted by: ace at May 13, 2020 07:16 PM (PbpT7)
++++++++++++
Oh, if only Bush 43 had made Thomas Chief Justice and installed Roberts as an associate.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 13, 2020 07:21 PM (hYcqw) "
Oh dear lord , Chief Justice Clarence Thomas.
If only.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at May 13, 2020 07:48 PM (cqteU)
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at May 13, 2020 07:48 PM (sWM8x)
if an officer executes a deserting/cowardly soldier in the field, well... yeah there are situations where people act without going through a trial, obviously
I don't know why you're yelling at me so I'm checking out of this particular interrogation. have a nice day.
Posted by: ace at May 13, 2020 07:48 PM (PbpT7)
Posted by: runner at May 13, 2020 07:45 PM (zr5Kq)
Fuck Obama's tree. How do you think *I* feel?
Posted by: The Ficus at May 13, 2020 07:48 PM (yokAj)
Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 13, 2020 07:48 PM (DMUuz)
Posted by: thathalfrican - sucker free on my phone at May 13, 2020 07:48 PM (IYHxL)
Posted by: zombie at May 13, 2020 07:48 PM (N9G0H)
**********
No this is the Deep State's Death Rattle ENJOY IT
Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at May 13, 2020 07:48 PM (Lrula)
@DevinNunes with @LouDobbs
"Nobody wants to see these bastards put in jail more than me!"
Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani
======
EIGHT criminal referrals from his committee have been languishing at DOJ since last year.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at May 13, 2020 07:49 PM (SFAhl)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at May 13, 2020 07:49 PM (dNzKv)
He's listed on an Epstein flight manifest. I don't think that's getting pardoned.
Posted by: t-bird at May 13, 2020 07:49 PM (1554F)
Posted by: The ARC of History! at May 13, 2020 07:49 PM (I2/tG)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 13, 2020 07:49 PM (9oAtN)
Happily, the Guvna of South Carolina has issued a modification of a previous Executive Order that specifically allows Tzompantlis to reopen to the public.
Ya'll come!
Posted by: Crazy Miklos' Tzampotli Family Fun Park and Outdoor Endless Taco Bar at May 13, 2020 07:49 PM (QzkSJ)
Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at May 13, 2020 07:49 PM (Lrula)
"Quite a few, very recently"
--President Trump with a pointed stare
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 13, 2020 07:49 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: Guy Smiley at May 13, 2020 07:50 PM (+7yf7)
Posted by: Floridachick at May 13, 2020 07:35 PM (WImJc)
Yeah. Me, too. We could circulate among the crowd, and pick the Democrats' pockets.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 13, 2020 07:50 PM (LZcDP)
Posted by: occam's brassiere at May 13, 2020 07:40 PM (ja/kn)
THIS
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 13, 2020 07:41 PM (85Gof)
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Moving the case is the defendant's motion.
I don't know if the state can move the case because of undue publicity, prejudice, inability to obtain a fair trial.
Posted by: torabora at May 13, 2020 07:50 PM (Y274z)
Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 13, 2020 07:48 PM (DMUuz)
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True. I reckon we'll get zombie4004.jpg back at some point.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 13, 2020 07:50 PM (hYcqw)
Posted by: Axeman at May 13, 2020 07:38 PM
Mmmmm hair! Now *that* triggers something in my... you know... that place.
Posted by: SloJoe Biden at May 13, 2020 07:50 PM (OMsf+)
Obama's tree is shaken. He is concerned.
Posted by: runner at May 13, 2020 07:45 PM (zr5Kq)
Fruit of the poisonous tree
Posted by: jim at May 13, 2020 07:50 PM (DF+pC)
He's worse. He's weak. He's afraid of his legacy being tarnished by judgment of the legal community and the Right Sort of People in his clique.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 13, 2020 07:51 PM (KZzsI)
Meanwhile the left is arguing that unmasking hosts of Americans to depose a president is normal and routine,
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
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Then why aren't Joe Biden and Samantha Power blithely acknowledging what they did?
And also....
ARE YOU EFFING KIDDING ME? This is normal and routine????
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at May 13, 2020 07:51 PM (SFAhl)
Posted by: bluebell at May 13, 2020 07:51 PM (/669Q)
Maybe not. But you're way smarter than she is - in a practical sense.
Powell went into an old school show trial thinking she could win. Folks - Sydney Powell is a highly educated dumb ass.
She's playing winning chess. Unfortunately - the game is checkers.
Posted by: I Have No Party at May 13, 2020 07:51 PM (avboE)
Posted by: runner at May 13, 2020 07:51 PM (zr5Kq)
4h
Jacob Lew was the Secretary of the Treasury, which was a part of Brennan's Working Group, and it should also be noted that on January 22, 2017, WSJ (Carol E. Lee, Devlin Barrett and Shane Harris) published "U.S. Eyes Michael Flynn's Links to Russia", which mentions Treasury
Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at May 13, 2020 07:51 PM (Lrula)
but... is the prosecutor really the judge? I don't know. i know it's odd, but I don't know if the prosecutor is really the judge.
Zombie is generally full of shit.
This would be a good time for someone to find the Amanda Knox doing yoga in her panties in jail pic.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 13, 2020 07:51 PM (gd9RK)
I don't know, I would think UH would, if there were other grounds - including prosecutorial misconduct - that could have been cited. I thought there would be. It's a technical/procedural question.
This "case" is literally a laughable catalogue of impropriety and most likely criminality from the outset - 100% on the side of the government officials who prompted and launched it, to the improperly established special prosecutor hacks who most likely illegally prosecuted it (Brady, etc).
But absence of an investigation, and the materiality problem @shipwreckedcrew has documented so well, is *all* DOJ had?
Posted by: rhomboid at May 13, 2020 07:51 PM (El6T/)
In fact I'd go so far as to say the *GOP* has been louder against Trump than they were against Obama.
Republicans are not going to save you. The ones who aren't actively working to subvert Trump are just waiting him out.
Posted by: ... at May 13, 2020 07:52 PM (yokAj)
Posted by: Soothsayer at May 13, 2020 07:52 PM (usBW1)
Posted by: occam's brassiere at May 13, 2020 07:52 PM (ja/kn)
Posted by: BifBewalski - sinis est culus at May 13, 2020 07:52 PM (VcFUs)
Impeached, convicted, removed from office, and disbarred.
That first one is going to be tough, as long as the House is under communist control.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 13, 2020 07:52 PM (mNq/0)
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at May 13, 2020 07:48 PM (PUmDY)
What this is laying bare is the polite lie at the heart of plea deals.
Did you do this thing that you have agreed you will say you did whether or not you did it in order to spare yourself a trial? Yup, sure did. Yup, yup.
Everyone knows this is a lie. Everyone. The ceiling tiles know this.
But it's a lie that is necessary for the functioning of the criminal "justice" system and thus it is ignored.
Right up until a judge decides not to ignore it.
It's like on the civil side when the settlement agreements say now I'm not admitted that I blew that red light and slammed into you, my insurance company is just giving you this money for funsies.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at May 13, 2020 07:52 PM (GbPPJ)
Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at May 13, 2020 07:49 PM (Lrula)
Yes ?
Posted by: runner at May 13, 2020 07:52 PM (zr5Kq)
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at May 13, 2020 07:52 PM (puu6v)
Honestly, I think we're past that.
After seeing the way they handled Manafort and Stone, I would not be surprised if they want to get to Flynn before Trump has the opportunity to pardon.
We are dealing with some petty, but cruel people. As someone already mentioned, Epstein treatment may be the goal.
Posted by: Lizzy at May 13, 2020 07:52 PM (bDqIh)
ah yes you're reminding me of the Knox case.
but... is the prosecutor really the judge? I don't know. i know it's odd, but I don't know if the prosecutor is really the judge.
Posted by: ace
It's confusing as hell, actually. One of the problems is that the names they have for things don't jibe with the same-sounding names we have for things. So when they call someone a "judge," what they really mean is "prosecutorial investigator," and so forth. They have a different word for what we would call a "judge -- something like a "magistrate." I can't keep it straight. And also it's different in France from Italy - they're both fucked up, but in different ways.
Posted by: zombie at May 13, 2020 07:52 PM (N9G0H)
Posted by: Pliney
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This would be very stupid on the part of the progs.
Very stupid.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 13, 2020 07:52 PM (axyOa)
It's not a trigger. It's observing reality.
Posted by: alexthechick
He was on the Ricochet podcast last week saying basically, "Yeah, all these bad actors were breaking the law left and right to get Trump... but whadd'ya gonna do? "
Washington DC is an evil thing.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 13, 2020 07:52 PM (UdCe2)
Posted by: tubal at May 13, 2020 07:52 PM (bCLt0)
Posted by: thathalfrican
I didn't have the heart to watch him. Oxygen thieving piece of shit. It's time to put a bounty on democrats.
Posted by: Fra Filippo at May 13, 2020 07:52 PM (7MUvN)
Posted by: Captain Morgan at May 13, 2020 07:52 PM (Xnmqv)
Ever wonder how when a crime is committed, within hours there is security camera footage of the suspect buying tools for the crime from six months prior? I think even local cops are given access to the nsa database as needed.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at May 13, 2020 07:53 PM (dNzKv)
President Trump says new House coronavirus relief package is "dead on arrival"
Posted by: Tami at May 13, 2020 07:44 PM (cF8AT)
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Sen. Graham said this last night & everybody ripped on Graham
Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani
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Well that's different.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at May 13, 2020 07:53 PM (SFAhl)
As I understand it, only the defense can do that. But I believe that the prosecution can get the trial in a different location based on the location of the crime being committed and who it impacts.. For example, if someone commits a federal crime that impacts all Americans, he should be able to get the case tried, well ANYWHERE in the USA, I would argue.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 13, 2020 07:53 PM (KZzsI)
Then when you go to resurface you discover the entire board is rotten all the way through, and it just crumbles to dust as you remove it.
That's the the impression I get about the entire cabal in DC right now. The bureaucracy, the courts, Congress... rotten all the way through.
Posted by: Ace's liver at May 13, 2020 07:53 PM (wGeit)
But that needs to be based in material proof. Remember Barr did not make this decision. He farmed it out to a person who is above repute. The judge has no basis for denying the notion to dismiss. None. He's trying to invite a plethora of reasoning from people opposed to the motion. I doubt that's just to show the frailty of those arguments.
Posted by: Hesco Gypsy, stating from 457 meters at May 13, 2020 07:53 PM (7cch0)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 13, 2020 07:51 PM (gd9RK)
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Foxy Knoxy? Yes, please!
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 13, 2020 07:53 PM (hYcqw)
Someone needs to make an image of a poisonous fruit tree with pics of all these Co-Conspirators hanging from the limbs.
Posted by: Soothsayer at May 13, 2020 07:53 PM (usBW1)
One suspects that when the full list of spied upon Americans is released, John Roberts' name will be there.
But Roberts already knows that.
Posted by: Crazy Miklos, maybe not so crazy at May 13, 2020 07:53 PM (QzkSJ)
Posted by: corn and beans at May 13, 2020 07:53 PM (tkNkP)
"In all cases of criminal contempt arising under the provisions of this Act, the accused, upon conviction, shall be punished by fine or imprisonment or both [...] That is any such proceeding for criminal contempt, at the discretion of the judge, the accused may be tried with or without a jury: Provided further, however, that in the event such proceeding for criminal contempt be tried before a judge without a jury and the sentence of the court upon conviction is a fine in excess of the sum of $300 or imprisonment in excess of forty-five days, the accused in said proceeding, upon demand therefore, shall be entitled to a trial de novo (new trial on the contempt charge) before a jury, which shall conform as near as may be to the practice in other criminal cases."
Going back -- the 6th Amendment provides for a jury trial ONLY if the punishment is GREATER THAN 6 months.
42 USC 1995 gives judges that little loophole over the 6th Amendment by saying that if they decide to imprison someone for greater than 45 DAYS the accused has a right to a new trial before, not only a new judge on the matter of contempt, but a jury to decide their guilt or innocence. This is why you will almost NEVER see a judge go beyond 30 days for a contempt charge because it removes that power from their courtroom and places it in another court and before a jury.
Posted by: nevyan at May 13, 2020 07:53 PM (a7HML)
Posted by: REDACTED at May 13, 2020 07:54 PM (tQbpU)
Posted by: ace
Correction: He didn't just eat "a" dog -- instead, dog was a standard part of his ongoing diet for a while. He ate dog, not a dog.
He also ate cock, but that was later.
Magic 8 Ball sez obama especially ate dog as in doggy dick in young barry mouth.
Posted by: zombie at May 13, 2020 07:46 PM (N9G0H)
Posted by: losing my religion and lunch at ssme time, still banned at May 13, 2020 07:54 PM (/y7J6)
It's not a trigger. It's observing reality.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at May 13, 2020 07:44 PM (GbPPJ)
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It's not NOW. He's been indicting the Deep State for a couple of YEARS now. He's not *suddenly* on board. He's been saying for at least a year in a half that he does not believe that *his* department could have gotten so far adrift.
That is also consistent with his trust that if significant sources said it wasn't all based on the Steele dossier, that it wasn't all based on the Steele dossier.
I'd rather not see an Of the Body thing on the conservative side either, but whatever.
He didn't believe in a Deep State, and when it crossed his threshold of disbelief, he vociferously ever since condemned it. And he said 1) he never liked FISA and 2) he thinks this should be the death knell of FISA.
Posted by: Axeman at May 13, 2020 07:54 PM (Eicbe)
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at May 13, 2020 07:53 PM (SFAhl)
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I know you will not understand this, But Graham is tight with PDT
Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at May 13, 2020 07:54 PM (Lrula)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May
So does the judge force the government to keep trying the case? I don't understand this at all.
Posted by: CaliGirl at May 13, 2020 07:54 PM (7bcfy)
drag this out to November without sentencing in the hopes of Trump's
loss. Denying Flynn a pardon.
Posted by: runner at May 13, 2020 07:51 PM (zr5Kq)
I don't know if they even have to think in those terms. The intent is clear. To fight at every turn, use every possible strategy available, and never cede an inch.
Posted by: ... at May 13, 2020 07:54 PM (yokAj)
Posted by: grammie winger at May 13, 2020 07:54 PM (lwiT4)
so the judges were citizens, I think. I think there was also a magistrate, but maybe his authority was just over ministerial/administrative matters.
Posted by: ace at May 13, 2020 07:54 PM (PbpT7)
I sure as hell haven't for 8 years, really knew we wouldn't for the last 3.5 years, and am preparing for... shall not say.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 13, 2020 07:54 PM (pw+jk)
if an officer executes a deserting/cowardly soldier in the field, well... yeah there are situations where people act without going through a trial, obviously
I don't know why you're yelling at me so I'm checking out of this particular interrogation. have a nice day.
Posted by: ace at May 13, 2020 07:48 PM (PbpT7)
Methinks yelling would require caps with all words, not one. But hey, whatever makes you happy.
Thank you for the rest of your reply though.
Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at May 13, 2020 07:54 PM (oqwXA)
Posted by: dIb at May 13, 2020 07:54 PM (VJOLZ)
He's worse. He's weak. He's afraid of his legacy being tarnished by judgment of the legal community and the Right Sort of People in his clique."
Oh, yes. Roberts announced he wanted to depoliticize the USSC and promptly sided with the left-wing justices because he knew that only flows one way. The man is irony-free.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at May 13, 2020 07:55 PM (puu6v)
I think he was on our side on a lot of issues, but not on ones that touch on his globalist one world idea of a glorious future. Which admittedly taints an awful lot.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 13, 2020 07:55 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: Duncanthrax
I'm trying to increase the accuracy of every new self-portrait. Each time, I get closer to the truth!
Posted by: zombie at May 13, 2020 07:55 PM (N9G0H)
Posted by: Cheri at May 13, 2020 07:55 PM (IB1Pj)
Sullivan also told Sidney Powell to quit producing Brady evidence (or whatever kind of evidence that was). I thought that was because he'd seen more than enough to toss the case, but maybe it was another reason he asked to not see any more.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at May 13, 2020 07:44 PM (SFAhl)
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If I remember...the prosecution / government was releasing documents (Brady related).
And each time a document got released, Powell would file it with the court.
And I believe the court/Sullivan got tired of getting this piece meal...one document at a time. And said..."stop sending me this stuff one document at a time. Wait until the prosecution / government has finished its release...and then send all the relevant documents to me in one filing."
It seemed reasonable to me. I also suspect Powell liked doing it piece meal because it is a way of keeping this case in the media.
Your mileage may vary...
Posted by: El Jefe at May 13, 2020 07:55 PM (Ae67h)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at May 13, 2020 07:55 PM (dNzKv)
Posted by: runner
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He's still President even if he loses for a few months.
Everyone will be pardoned regardless of the election outcome.
They just want to make Trump do the pardoning so they can muddy the waters with it being "political" because they made it political.
Posted by: Blago at May 13, 2020 07:56 PM (Ihsvk)
Posted by: Fortcoins at May 13, 2020 07:56 PM (1vIuC)
I've personally been gone from that camp for several decades.
Posted by: ... at May 13, 2020 07:56 PM (yokAj)
After this, it will be a wonder if anyone will subject themselves and their family and friends to similar hell, even for the good of this country.
I don't imagine even if Trump wins another term that he will have the warriors he needs.
Posted by: old chick at May 13, 2020 07:56 PM (sOete)
Posted by: redridinghood at May 13, 2020 07:56 PM (wiXsO)
Posted by: no no no sez banned at May 13, 2020 07:56 PM (/y7J6)
Hey, OUR governor Pritz is the fat fuck. You're doing cultural appropriation.
Posted by: corn and beans at May 13, 2020 07:56 PM (tkNkP)
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at May 13, 2020 07:57 PM (puu6v)
not on ones that touch on his globalist one world idea of a glorious
future. Which admittedly taints an awful lot.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 13, 2020 07:55 PM (KZzsI)
Phrasing
Posted by: ... at May 13, 2020 07:57 PM (yokAj)
Posted by: Braenyard at May 13, 2020 07:57 PM (TAe5w)
Posted by: redridinghood at May 13, 2020 07:57 PM (wiXsO)
Posted by: Skip at May 13, 2020 07:57 PM (ZCEU2)
I have it in my own photo bin - for....educational purposes - but can't link that obviously.
Posted by: Guy Smiley at May 13, 2020 07:57 PM (+7yf7)
Posted by: zombie at May 13, 2020 07:55 PM (N9G0H)
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My truth is that buxom lady in the white MAGA cap was the best you. I strongly recommend returning to that one
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 13, 2020 07:57 PM (hYcqw)
Other than stern and angry statements, there isn't anything they can do, that I know of.
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Congress has several options in general order of feasibility:
1) Impeach the judge The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have
the sole Power of Impeachment.
2) Force the case to another jurisdiction but when not committed within any State, the Trial shall be at such
Place or Places as the Congress may by Law have directed.
3) They can close this district court, presumably that would force the case to another judge/district in
such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish
But Democrats control the House so....
Posted by: 18-1 at May 13, 2020 07:57 PM (WdocV)
Pleading "not guilty" isn't ever perjury. However, I've sat through the taking of a few guilty pleas in court in connection with plea deals and I know that the defendant is usually required to admit that he committed the crime that he is pleading to. I suppose if the defendant falsely admitted to the crime, this could be the basis of a perjury prosecution since the defendant is supposed to be telling the truth to the court.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 13, 2020 07:57 PM (guGkK)
Posted by: Guy Smiley at May 13, 2020 07:57 PM (+7yf7)
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IMGur!
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 13, 2020 07:57 PM (hYcqw)
President Trump says new House coronavirus relief package is "dead on arrival"
Posted by: Tami at May 13, 2020 07:44 PM (cF8AT)
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Sen. Graham said this last night everybody ripped on Graham
Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani
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Well that's different.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at May 13, 2020 07:53 PM (SFAhl)
Sounds like it shouldn't be still-born, but aborted.
Posted by: jim at May 13, 2020 07:57 PM (DF+pC)
In hindsight, Paul has been one of our best senators. Sure he can be a little off, but he was the loudest about this unmasking shenanigans.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at May 13, 2020 07:58 PM (AFSld)
The government seriously fucked this whole thing upside down and backwards, but so did Flynn's lawyers. If he had never plead guilty, the whole thing would be over. But since he did plead guilty, then technically, he is guilty in the eyes of the law, or he committed perjury. But Sullivan's solution seems idiotic. he could:
1) Ignore the governments withdrawal of the case, but sentence Flynn to time served. Flynn could then appeal (and easily win, given in the new trial, the government then decline to prosecute), or just walk away.
2) Cut Flynn loose of his plea deal. Have Flynn elocute being coerced, then start ripping with the contempt charges to any and all member of the government that attempted to prosecute this guy.
His current option, hiring another retired judge to mount a pseudo prosecution is a joke. This 100% gets turned over on appeal. I can imagine the appeals hearing, where the government says we fucked up and he should have never been prosecuted. And Flynn says he is innocent. Then they look at Sullivan's antics, and poof, done deal.
If Flynn is smart he'll have a massive lawsuit against his former law firm, and easily win that too.
Posted by: Inspector Kemp at May 13, 2020 07:58 PM (8Xxh3)
As I understand it, only the defense can do that. But I believe that the prosecution can get the trial in a different location based on the location of the crime being committed and who it impacts.. For example, if someone commits a federal crime that impacts all Americans, he should be able to get the case tried, well ANYWHERE in the USA, I would argue.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 13, 2020 07:53 PM (KZzsI)
I have always thought that one of the reasons Barr chose Durham to investigate meant that any trials would be in the District that Durham is the U.S. Attorney. Connecticut? Not exactly a Trump-favoring place, but better than DC. Pure speculation by me.
Posted by: Gref at May 13, 2020 07:58 PM (AMIL/)
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 13, 2020 07:58 PM (sMMcg)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at May 13, 2020 07:55 PM (dNzKv)
Can you imagine the outcry if RBG kicks the bucket this year and Trump nominates someone? And McConnell goes through with the confirmation?
The "not fair" cries will be off the charts.
Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at May 13, 2020 07:58 PM (oqwXA)
Posted by: John Roberts at May 13, 2020 07:58 PM (yokAj)
Everyone will be pardoned regardless of the election outcome.
They just want to make Trump do the pardoning so they can muddy the waters with it being "political" because they made it political.
Posted by: Blago at May 13, 2020 07:56 PM (Ihsvk)
If he is not sentenced he will not pardoned. That was my point.
Posted by: runner at May 13, 2020 07:58 PM (zr5Kq)
Posted by: banned in shame at May 13, 2020 07:58 PM (/y7J6)
Posted by: Viator at May 13, 2020 07:59 PM (89mvl)
Posted by: JT at May 13, 2020 07:59 PM (arJlL)
Posted by: zombie
In France, they're called a "Judge Royale"
Posted by: Jules Winfield at May 13, 2020 07:59 PM (786Ro)
Posted by: jim
I thought Don LeMon was the fruit of the poisonous tree.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 13, 2020 07:59 PM (+y/Ru)
Posted by: Cheri at May 13, 2020 07:59 PM (IB1Pj)
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I haven't trusted the Conservative Populace Vote Farmer party in years, now.
Posted by: Axeman at May 13, 2020 07:59 PM (Eicbe)
These judges who think they are a law unto themselves and can do what they want remind me of this from A Man For All Seasons:
More: And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned around on
you--where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This
country's planted thick with laws from coast to coast--man's laws, not
God's--and if you cut them down...d'you really think you could stand
upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil
benefit of law, for my own safety's sake.
Ponder that "Judge" Sullivan because once you cross that line we're all across it
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 13, 2020 07:59 PM (XnD7Z)
Flynn will get cleared and talk
The evil ones just don't want it to occur at the same time
Posted by: REDACTED at May 13, 2020 07:59 PM (tQbpU)
Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at May 13, 2020 07:58 PM (oqwXA)
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And my cries of "take a knee, lick your lips, and gargle my balls" will be just as loud.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 13, 2020 07:59 PM (hYcqw)
Posted by: JT at May 13, 2020 08:00 PM (arJlL)
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at May 13, 2020 08:00 PM (PUmDY)
Posted by: corn and beans at May 13, 2020 07:56 PM (tkNkP)
He really is.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 13, 2020 08:00 PM (lwiT4)
Posted by: runner
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Isn't what Gerald Ford did with "future pardoning" considered a settled issue?
Of course, that means nothing now, but still, might be harder to move forward.
Posted by: Blago at May 13, 2020 08:00 PM (Ihsvk)
Just talked w/ intel pro who said vast majority of names on list had no reason to be accessing unmasked info *period* as they're not investigators. Reminder: masked info is info so sensitive that it's hidden from intelligence community *itself.* B/c Americans have civil liberties
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 13, 2020 08:00 PM (r+sAi)
so the judges were citizens, I think. I think there was also a magistrate, but maybe his authority was just over ministerial/administrative matters.
Posted by: ace
We pronounce you guilty of not understanding the Italian legal system! Five years in prison for you!
Posted by: Italian guys wearing funny hats who play some mysterious role in the Italian legal system at May 13, 2020 08:00 PM (N9G0H)
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Remember when a few members of the left admitted they knew Dennis Hastert was a pedophile way back to before he became speaker?
Did you notice that Hastert didn't do jack sh*t as speaker?
Do you think they didn't use that knowledge?
Posted by: 18-1 at May 13, 2020 08:00 PM (WdocV)
Sullivan has no one to blame but himself.
Posted by: Inspector Kemp at May 13, 2020 08:00 PM (8Xxh3)
The house can also change the jurisdiction and scope of powers the federal courts have, so they can just say "this court cannot try this case any longer."
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 13, 2020 08:00 PM (KZzsI)
And he never could have outfought Santino
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 13, 2020 08:00 PM (85Gof)
Posted by: John Roberts at May 13, 2020 07:58 PM (yokAj)
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And remember, every time you hear a bell a fairy gets its wings.
Posted by: Axeman at May 13, 2020 08:00 PM (Eicbe)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May
I assume the judge needs to be in the loop in case everything isn't on the up and up, like if the prosecutor suddenly drops charges in the trial of a mob boss. But people just assume it's a rubber stamp for a reason.
Posted by: Ace's liver at May 13, 2020 08:01 PM (wGeit)
Posted by: grammie winger at May 13, 2020 07:54 PM (lwiT4)
gives you time to barricade your southern border
Posted by: runner at May 13, 2020 08:01 PM (zr5Kq)
Posted by: rickb223 at May 13, 2020 07:47 PM (xT+ue)
I think he is Tango Uniform.
But maybe Woody is up for the job? He's got nothing else coming in and at his age a career change is just what he needs.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 13, 2020 08:01 PM (Z+IKu)
And I believe he will if it comes to that. The point is we do not want him to have to do that
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 13, 2020 08:02 PM (85Gof)
Compare the behavior of the Democrats the last 3 years under Trump to
the stone "in space no one can hear you scream" silence of the GOP for
all eight years of Obama.
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Most of the Republican leadership has been controlled opposition for years. From Hastert to Romney they are all on the same team....
Posted by: 18-1 at May 13, 2020 08:02 PM (WdocV)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 13, 2020 08:00 PM (r+sAi)
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You must be joking.
Posted by: Nancy the You Must Be Joking Girl at May 13, 2020 08:02 PM (Eicbe)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 13, 2020 08:02 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: Cheri at May 13, 2020 07:59 PM (IB1Pj)
We've been visiting the hamburger stand down at the corner since March 15. I have the milkshake-shaped fat globules to prove it. Unfortunately they don't have a liquor license.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 13, 2020 08:02 PM (lwiT4)
Posted by: ... at May 13, 2020 08:02 PM (yokAj)
Posted by: redridinghood at May 13, 2020 08:02 PM (wiXsO)
Posted by: Gref
Huber is in Utah working the Sister Wives.
Posted by: Miklosian Speculation LLC at May 13, 2020 08:02 PM (QzkSJ)
I agree, he took forever to get around to sentencing and the only thing I can guess is that they were working behind the scenes trying to get Flynn to lie about Trump and come up with something they could then use to attack the president with.
Just sign this, and we will go easy on you, take the hit, for your family, General....
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 13, 2020 08:02 PM (KZzsI)
There's plenty of precedent for a forced guilty plea/confession being overturned.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 13, 2020 08:02 PM (mNq/0)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at May 13, 2020 08:02 PM (AFSld)
At this point, I don't really care about motive, not for any of them. You're either doing evil or fighting it.
What's become glaringly apparent is that there in an in-group in DC that operates above the law. It's been there all along and we've been too distracted, too trusting, too unwillingly to really believe it's there and on par with the worst sort of corruption we see in banana republics.
Posted by: Lizzy at May 13, 2020 08:02 PM (bDqIh)
That's a lie.
You're denied due process the moment you're charged.
Oh, you're innocent? Got $10k lying around to prove it?
Cause the DA will spend $10k before lunch to "get justice" against you.
Posted by: RoyalOil at May 13, 2020 08:03 PM (aO8Gd)
Posted by: Weasel at May 13, 2020 08:03 PM (Im+SB)
Ha!
Boy, I'll bet that cockscucking "judge" Sullivan is kicking himself for dragging out Flynn's sentencing so long!
Posted by: Soothsayer at May 13, 2020 08:03 PM (usBW1)
https://www.redbubble.com/i/mask/Trust-Fauci-Face-Mask-by-BroadcastMedia/48241546.9G0D8
Posted by: Ace man at May 13, 2020 08:03 PM (xa3IG)
Posted by: 18-1 at May 13, 2020 08:02 PM (WdocV)
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Yup. I stopped rooting for the Washington Generals some time ago.
From time to time they do produce a player that impresses...of course at one time Gowdy looked like that guy...so....
Posted by: Axeman at May 13, 2020 08:03 PM (Eicbe)
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 13, 2020 08:03 PM (hYcqw)
Cute....but certainly not worth the murder potential.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 13, 2020 08:03 PM (WdocV)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 13, 2020 07:57 PM (guGkK)
Well, sure, but isn't this normally the purview of the prosecutor and not the judge? How often does the judge start tacking on charges?
Posted by: Ace's liver at May 13, 2020 08:03 PM (wGeit)
Yeah, they're scared.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 13, 2020 08:03 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around.
You're beautiful when you're angry !
Posted by: JT at May 13, 2020 08:03 PM (arJlL)
the stone "in space no one can hear you scream" silence of the GOP for
all eight years of Obama.
YOU LIE!!!
Posted by: Rep. Joe Wilson (R-SC2) at May 13, 2020 08:04 PM (QzkSJ)
It was either contempt at the time or it was not ... it is not contingent on whether Flynn was found guilty or not. But that is exactly what is clearly happening. A vindictive charge.
Posted by: illiniwek at May 13, 2020 08:04 PM (Cus5s)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 13, 2020 08:00 PM (r+sAi)
FIXT
Posted by: SCCJ Juan Penumbra at May 13, 2020 08:04 PM (jnM20)
Fruit of the poisonous tree
Posted by: jim
I thought Don LeMon was the fruit of the poisonous tree.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 13, 2020 07:59 PM (+y/Ru)
Lemon is a fruit, but Obama is the poisonous tree here. DC is a forrest.
Posted by: jim at May 13, 2020 08:04 PM (DF+pC)
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar - YOU are all in it together! - at May 13, 2020 08:04 PM (jnM20)
Posted by: Flyover, tired of hyphenated names. at May 13, 2020 08:04 PM (Rbu5d)
A nice hot bath with rose petals and candles. Some soft music. And a razor.
Do it.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 13, 2020 08:05 PM (ptqGC)
I have it in my own photo bin - for....educational purposes - but can't link that obviously.
Posted by: Guy Smiley at May 13, 2020 07:57 PM (+7yf7)
I found the same status.
If someone were to send it to the email in my nic it might get published. My copies are on dead laptops.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 13, 2020 08:05 PM (gd9RK)
Posted by: Lizzy at May 13, 2020 08:02 PM (bDqIh)
++++++++++
Narrator: Everyone in DC is in the in-group.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 13, 2020 08:05 PM (hYcqw)
Well, "collusion" between anybody and anybody would be irrelevant to the substance, I would think. That's the point of "substance". Does Sullivan not understand DOJ and FBI rules and procedures, and the relevant laws?
shipwrecked crew pointed out that Sullivan botched the sentencing hearing with Flynn in December, precisely on the "materiality" issue - and that he even showed some late awareness of this at the end of the session in his comments.
As for perjury, could Flynn offer a defense - which would be a full detailed public airing of Van Grack's blackmail (oh, that's right, it's not called that when prosecutors do it ..... is there some sovietized euphemism for this procedure?) that led to his guilty plea? Why not? That might be worth the show.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 13, 2020 08:05 PM (El6T/)
I'm so glad I'm not the one known as "the fat one" any more.
Posted by: Chris Christie at May 13, 2020 08:05 PM (mNq/0)
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I heard a DC-area lawyer on Chris Plante that called in and said that all of Covington's senior partners ought to be disbarred for managing Flynn's defense this way.
Posted by: Axeman at May 13, 2020 08:05 PM (Eicbe)
Posted by: Skip at May 13, 2020 08:05 PM (ZCEU2)
There's plenty of precedent for a forced guilty plea/confession being overturned.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 13, 2020 08:02 PM (mNq/0)
The real problem here is the plethora of laws and the one-size-fits-all nature of far too many of them. The fact that they could credibly threaten to prosecute his family on similar BS is a problem all by itself.
Posted by: Ace's liver at May 13, 2020 08:06 PM (wGeit)
We literally saw the arguments and pressure being brought against him along these lines, the op eds, the talking heads on TV, the internet discussions by lawyers. They knew what tactic to take because Roberts had spent his entire life working to this point and had made it clear in the past he was concerned about his legacy.
So they grabbed that lever when they needed to and yanked. They can't use it too often, or it stops working, but on key cases...
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 13, 2020 08:06 PM (KZzsI)
Flynn was supposed to be sentenced in the Fall of 2018.
But this "judge" from the Resistance thought it would be a good idea to torment Flynn and let the case linger and stew while fellow Resistance Conspirators harangued and harassed President Trump.
Posted by: Soothsayer at May 13, 2020 08:06 PM (usBW1)
And each time a document got released, Powell would file it with the court.
And I believe the court/Sullivan got tired of getting this piece meal...one document at a time. And said..."stop sending me this stuff one document at a time. Wait until the prosecution / government has finished its release...and then send all the relevant documents to me in one filing."
It seemed reasonable to me. I also suspect Powell liked doing it piece meal because it is a way of keeping this case in the media.
Your mileage may vary...
Posted by: El Jefe at May 13, 2020 07:55 PM (Ae67h)
Sullivan was pissed because Powell filing each document was pointing out that the DOJ was not actually complying with Sullivan's order and he did not like that one tiny little bit.
Not that non-compliance, that was fine, it was her pointing it out.
Sullivan set on fire any notion that he was a decent juror the moment he called Flynn a traitor.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at May 13, 2020 08:06 PM (GbPPJ)
Posted by: Regular joe at May 13, 2020 08:06 PM (L9P9s)
You mean like when Obama droned those American citizens who joined al-Qaeda?
Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at May 13, 2020 07:42 PM (oqwXA)
So are you saying there ARE situations where US citizens have no right to due process?
Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at May 13, 2020 07:46 PM (oqwXA)
********
OK, I'll engage with you if you like.
Yes, in that case [American citizens who joined al-Qaeda], correct, there is no right to due process [I am defining due process as the right to indictment, prosecution, trial by jury of your peers, and appeal].
Convince me otherwise.
(And I know many people of good intent do believe in good faith that they *would* be entitled to due process.)
Posted by: El Jefe at May 13, 2020 08:06 PM (Ae67h)
***
For years the left could do what they want with no response. From murdering people at Waco/Ruby Ridge to destroying innocent men like Gen Flynn or Joe the Plumber.
If Trump finally has a team that will end this it is a whole new ball game. The left could be rolled back in major ways.
But....I'll believe something will happen when it does...
Posted by: 18-1 at May 13, 2020 08:06 PM (WdocV)
Posted by: Karen, License B100D25 at May 13, 2020 08:06 PM (786Ro)
Love Mollie, but didn't we already know this? This is becoming Groundhog day as what's been out there for years is routinely rediscovered and dismissed by most of the media (not Mollie, Solomon, etc.).
Why the Hell would Samantha Power need to request unmasked material 300+ times? This was known in 2017, right?
Posted by: Lizzy at May 13, 2020 08:06 PM (bDqIh)
A nice hot bath with rose petals and candles. Some soft music. And a razor.
Do it.
Posted by: Jane D'oh
Barry is no Petronius Niger.
Posted by: Miklosius, who knows the story at May 13, 2020 08:07 PM (QzkSJ)
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at May 13, 2020 08:06 PM (GbPPJ)
***^^^^^THIS^^^^^***
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 13, 2020 08:07 PM (ptqGC)
Lying to the FBI is only a crime if it results in obstructing an ongoing investigation. The declassified notes this week showed that the case against Flynn in relation to the Russian collusion case had been resolved in his favor. That was when they decided to try and go after him for the Logan Act and set up the interview in which he purportedly lied. Of course the original 302 has been "lost" so at this point they can't even prove that. But the bottom line is that the interview was not in relation to collusion, but the Logan Act. The charge against Flynn was that his lie obstructed the collusion investigation.
When Flynn pleaded guilty before the Judge, the Judge is supposed to ascertain whether the prosecution made their case but the Judge never asked the prosecution how the lie obstructed their case. Seeing as their was never any collusion , the charege never should never have been brought. The story I read said the case would be overturned because of this.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 13, 2020 08:07 PM (QzF6i)
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What about defendants who falsely plead not guilty?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 13, 2020 08:07 PM (+y/Ru)
Pleading "not guilty" isn't ever perjury. However, I've sat through the taking of a few guilty pleas in court in connection with plea deals and I know that the defendant is usually required to admit that he committed the crime that he is pleading to. I suppose if the defendant falsely admitted to the crime, this could be the basis of a perjury prosecution since the defendant is supposed to be telling the truth to the court."
Allocution varies by jurisdiction; some don't require it. What generally doesn't vary is a list of questions required to be asked and answered: "is this free and voluntary?" and so forth.
Jonathan Turley made a solid point yesterday. If a sentence had been agreed as part of the plea, it would have been more difficult to withdraw. That didn't happen here.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at May 13, 2020 08:07 PM (puu6v)
Sullivan: I order this and this and this
Powell: nope, we're done here
Doj: Yeah, we're done.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at May 13, 2020 08:07 PM (dNzKv)
https://www.redbubble.com/i/mask/Trust-Fauci-Face-Mask-by-BroadcastMedia/48241546.9G0D8
Posted by: Ace man at May 13, 2020 08:03 PM (xa3IG)
***********
Yeah, and on March 8th, Fauci told the world, "there is no reason to be walking around with a mask."
Posted by: redridinghood at May 13, 2020 08:07 PM (wiXsO)
Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at May 13, 2020 07:58 PM (oqwXA)
+++++++++++
And my cries of "take a knee, lick your lips, and gargle my balls" will be just as loud.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 13, 2020 07:59 PM (hYcqw)
*****
Heh.
Is pudding involved?
Posted by: El Jefe at May 13, 2020 08:07 PM (Ae67h)
Posted by: Methos at May 13, 2020 08:08 PM (kOpft)
Without reading all the papers and researching, from the outside it looks a hell of a lot like his "defense" team was trying to get him busted just as much as the prosecution which would be a clear case of ethics violation and disbarment territory, yes.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 13, 2020 08:08 PM (KZzsI)
GrubHub had this thing up last time I ordered saying that if you were paying cash, you had to leave the money outside your door and they would leave the food. There was a text box to make leave notes for arrangements with the driver. I typed "Money plus tip will be in envelope taped to door, please leave food on chair outside my door."
So of course, the GrubHub person left it on the damn GROUND. 5 second rule though, since I was lurking just inside the door, what with 35 bucks taped to it and all. The pizza and wings were fantastic though.
Posted by: Guy Smiley at May 13, 2020 08:08 PM (+7yf7)
It is not the plea that is the problem, but the elocution. That is a requirement of plea deals - the defendant stands up in court and swears he's telling the truth and further swears he is not being coerced. If Flynn says he was lying during the elocution, then he committed perjury. No question. however, most judges, sane ones anyway, will allow the defendant to withdraw from their plea deal, and just ignore the perjury that was committed, or even hold the prosecution accountable for it. But Sullivan gotta Sullivan. idiot.
Posted by: Inspector Kemp at May 13, 2020 08:08 PM (8Xxh3)
Posted by: redridinghood at May 13, 2020 08:02 PM (wiXsO)
Ummmmmmmmmm......No.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 13, 2020 08:08 PM (Z+IKu)
__________________
Federal rules of criminal procedure don't trump the constitution. The constitution vests the power to prosecute cases in federal courts solely in the executive branch. If the executive branch declines to prosecute, that should end the matter. A rule that says the judge can appoint somebody else as prosecutor if DOJ refuses to prosecute is usurping the executive branch's constitutional authority. It is essentially saying the judicial branch can prosecute separately from the executive branch, which contradicts the constitutional delegation of powers. If Sullivan actually goes forward with this, Sidney should challenge it immediately, because it's bullshit.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at May 13, 2020 08:09 PM (k4dH2)
Posted by: Lizzy at May 13, 2020 08:06 PM (bDqIh)
Redhead. She needed some souls, and found a shortcut.
Posted by: Splunge at May 13, 2020 08:09 PM (dOV9E)
Posted by: alexthechick
___________
Not a lawyer, but shouldn't that alone get him thrown off?
Even if you want to pretend the case against Flynn is legit (it's not) nobody on either side is really claiming he committed treason. Just that he lied to a bureaucrat.
Posted by: Blago at May 13, 2020 08:09 PM (Ihsvk)
Posted by: Axeman at May 13, 2020 08:09 PM (Eicbe)
Posted by: ... at May 13, 2020 08:09 PM (yokAj)
>>Just talked w/ intel pro who said vast majority of names on list
had no reason to be accessing unmasked info *period* as they're not
investigators.
Love Mollie, but didn't we already know this? This is becoming
Groundhog day as what's been out there for years is routinely
rediscovered and dismissed by most of the media (not Mollie, Solomon,
etc.).
Why the Hell would Samantha Power need to request unmasked material 300+ times? This was known in 2017, right?
Posted by: Lizzy at May 13, 2020 08:06 PM (bDqIh)
Wouldn't you like to know everybody else little Sammy Powers unmasked for her boss(es)?
Posted by: jim at May 13, 2020 08:09 PM (DF+pC)
It was either contempt at the time or it was not ... it is not contingent on whether Flynn was found guilty or not. But that is exactly what is clearly happening. A vindictive charge."
When you get down to it, this is claiming proper procedure is a crime. Again, by this logic, filing an appeal would be contempt.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at May 13, 2020 08:09 PM (puu6v)
If my mammary is correct, Flynn plead out in the Summer of 2018. This rotten judge has been playing games for 2 years.
"Judge" Sullivan could've sentenced Flynn in late 2018 and Flynn would've went to prison! No appeal. Done. But no, the "judge" wanted to squeeze Flynn, and embarrass Trump and hurt Us.
Now look at you, "judge" fuckstick. Now look at you.
Posted by: Soothsayer at May 13, 2020 08:10 PM (usBW1)
Posted by: RoyalOil at May 13, 2020 08:10 PM (aO8Gd)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at May 13, 2020 08:10 PM (dNzKv)
Posted by: clutch cargo at May 13, 2020 08:10 PM (8B6Ng)
Posted by: Abiss at May 13, 2020 08:10 PM (Y8DtA)
Posted by: Lizzy at May 13, 2020 08:06 PM (bDqIh)
To be fair, they were hoping you would forget all about this!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar - YOU are all in it together! - at May 13, 2020 08:10 PM (jnM20)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 13, 2020 08:10 PM (s2VJv)
Posted by: Soothsayer at May 13, 2020 08:10 PM (usBW1)
Posted by: Inspector Kemp at May 13, 2020 08:10 PM (8Xxh3)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 13, 2020 08:07 PM (+y/Ru)
Pleading is not testifying. Pleading not guilty just means that you're not admitting to the charges and you intend to put the prosecution to its proof.
When you factually admit to a crime as part of a plea deal, this is supposed to be the truth and the court is relying on its truth in approving the deal.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 13, 2020 08:10 PM (guGkK)
***
A few guesses...
Devin Nunes
Every Trump kid
Josh Hawley
Rand Paul
Posted by: 18-1 at May 13, 2020 08:10 PM (WdocV)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 13, 2020 08:11 PM (ptqGC)
Yes, we've been going over the same ground for the last three and half years.
Most of us have known this was a complete and utter scam at all levels of analysis.
We are running out of time.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 13, 2020 08:11 PM (xXJfx)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 13, 2020 08:08 PM (KZzsI)
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He indicated that while C&B was handling his defense, Holder was tweeting implications that Flynn was guilty.
Posted by: Axeman at May 13, 2020 08:11 PM (Eicbe)
Posted by: Humphreyrobot at May 13, 2020 08:12 PM (kF4j5)
Posted by: ... at May 13, 2020 08:09 PM (yokAj)
Excellent Point! The name was Patrick Somethingorother saying to calm down, a nothingburger, judge assho knows what he is doing, blah, blah,blah.
Looks like he was mistaken.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 13, 2020 08:12 PM (Z+IKu)
The FBI isn't.
Posted by: garrett at May 13, 2020 08:13 PM (L0zyY)
damn it
Posted by: vmom here's Gen Flynn's book at May 13, 2020 08:13 PM (G546f)
Posted by: Greta Thunberg, meatball-scented Druid philosopher at May 13, 2020 08:13 PM (EgshT)
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 13, 2020 08:13 PM (QzF6i)
Posted by: ... at May 13, 2020 08:09 PM (yokAj)
Right here. I'd say the odds of that theory being true are dropping by the minute. I proposed it. But I was just trying to see the logic in Sullivan's actions, and increasingly, there doesn't seem to be any.
Posted by: Inspector Kemp at May 13, 2020 08:14 PM (8Xxh3)
Posted by: Axeman at May 13, 2020 08:00 PM
I thought Red Bull gave you wings?
Posted by: Shep! at May 13, 2020 08:14 PM (DMUuz)
Posted by: Inspector Kemp at May 13, 2020 08:15 PM (8Xxh3)
Posted by: Greta Thunberg, meatball-scented Druid philosopher at May 13, 2020 08:15 PM (EgshT)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 13, 2020 08:15 PM (r+sAi)
Posted by: Inspector Kemp at May 13, 2020 08:10 PM (8Xxh3)
Were I Flynn a whole lot of people would be getting a visit from a process server.
Posted by: Ace's liver at May 13, 2020 08:16 PM (wGeit)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 13, 2020 08:15 PM (r+sAi)
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According to AtC, Sullivan has to accept the dismissal.
Um... he didn't.
Posted by: Axeman at May 13, 2020 08:19 PM (Eicbe)
Not that non-compliance, that was fine, it was her pointing it out.
Sullivan set on fire any notion that he was a decent juror the moment he called Flynn a traitor.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at May 13, 2020 08:06 PM (GbPPJ)
*****
Sounds good to me.
Posted by: El Jefe at May 13, 2020 08:20 PM (Ae67h)
Posted by: bluebell at May 13, 2020 08:22 PM (/669Q)
Gleeson is no slouch.
Posted by: mercenary13 at May 13, 2020 08:22 PM (QkuUr)
Different rules apply when overt acts of war are involved. Always have.
Posted by: Chris Christie at May 13, 2020 08:30 PM (mNq/0)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk
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You misunderstand the power of judges.
Posted by: Hawaiian Judge at May 13, 2020 08:44 PM (WD9ZA)
Posted by: deepelemblues at May 13, 2020 08:53 PM (ryr6F)
Uh. does this mean every plea deal ever is subject to possible perjury?
Posted by: Lizzy at May 13, 202
It sounds like it.
Posted by: CaliGirl
Also any defendant who pleads innocent but is still convicted gets perjury added as well. That happens in every case, doesn't it?
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at May 13, 2020 09:02 PM (LBiyC)
Let me put it this way: I wouldn't trust any federal employee at any
level to watch my kids. Nor would I lend him a credit card or ask him to
water my house plants while I was away.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)
You'd come home to your kids soaking wet in the living room, and your ficus with a bowl of spagettios in front of it.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at May 13, 2020 09:04 PM (LBiyC)
Posted by: Johann Amadeus Metesky at May 13, 2020 09:13 PM (W8/ca)
Flynn was supposed to be sentenced in the Fall of 2018.
But this "judge" from the Resistance thought it would be a good idea
to torment Flynn and let the case linger and stew while fellow
Resistance Conspirators harangued and harassed President Trump.
Posted by: Soothsayer
Giving Flynn every opportunity to flip on Trump, the real target.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at May 13, 2020 09:23 PM (LBiyC)
Posted by: Ernst Schreiber at May 13, 2020 09:28 PM (Cbv9I)
Posted by: CK at May 13, 2020 09:45 PM (F1dgn)
Posted by: Mike Hunt at May 14, 2020 06:52 AM (EttBx)
The man sides with our enemies. Either he and Joe Blow go down or our experiment in freedom is finished.
Posted by: Mrs. Winslow's Soothing Syrup at May 14, 2020 07:02 AM (xZjSg)
And the Senate cannot impeach the judge, the House would handle any impeachment. The Senate could then remove him after trial. That's not gonna happen, unless the GOP wins control of both houses, and perhaps not even then. I don't think there has ever been a judge removed just for being a bad judge. Crimes, felonies, usually are required.
Posted by: Nikola's Notion at May 14, 2020 08:43 AM (hrHLc)
Posted by: occam's brassiere at May 13, 2020 07:40 PM (ja/kn)
******
Send it ALL to GITMO; ... secluded, sunny & ... sharx!
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