1 !

2 FIRST WITH THE MOST

3 First

4 2 FIRST WITH THE MOST
Posted by: (There Can Be Only One) Elric Blade at June 23, 2025 01:28 PM (iFTx/)

NOW YOU DIE!!!

5 I prefer the story that he didn't.

It entertained me more.

6 I'm just super happy that we have finally invented a foolproof way to kill gophers.

7 In just a month, Democrats have sided with:
- Illegal immigrant criminals
- Violent rioters
- Trans degenerates
- Iranian mullahs

I'm not even mad. That's amazing.

8 I like Trump's updating of the fireside speech.

9 It's great that Trump is dropping Massive Penetrators [giggle] on Massie. But will it work? I thought Massie was deep in KY politics with the GOPe machine, and thus very safe.

How do we get rid of this dracunculus?

10 5 I prefer the story that he didn't.

It entertained me more.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 23, 2025 01:29 PM (GBKbO)

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#MeToo

11 I'm just super happy that we have finally invented a foolproof way to kill gophers.

Think like a gopher. Pfffft.

12 Wait, CNN took a Democratic lie and ran with it unquestionably? Well, I never.

13
massie:

opposes tax cuts

supports Iran

14 "I've found life is simpler when you immediately take everything a Democrat says or writes to be a big fat stinkin' lie.

Posted by: Gref at June 23, 2025 01:27 PM (aBgBM)"

Willowed on the previous thread, still 100%valid on this one! Twofer!

15 CNN lied?

This is unheard of.

16 9 It's great that Trump is dropping Massive Penetrators [giggle] on Massie. But will it work? I thought Massie was deep in KY politics with the GOPe machine, and thus very safe.

How do we get rid of this dracunculus?
Posted by: (There Can Be Only One) Elric Blade at June 23, 2025 01:31 PM (iFTx/)

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It might work with Trump stumping for Massie's primary opponent.

The RNC probably won't give Massie any money.

The RCCC will probably stay out of it.

Massie has his own fundraising, but Trump fundraising for an opponent should bring in a lot of money.

I don't think it's a slam dunk. Massie wins his primaries pretty easily. But we'll see.

17 "In just a month, Democrats have sided with:
- Illegal immigrant criminals
- Violent rioters
- Trans degenerates
- Iranian mullahs

I'm not even mad. That's amazing.
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo"

We've come to expect the worst from the lefty lunatics.

18 I'm just super happy that we have finally invented a foolproof way to kill gophers.
Posted by: wth at June 23, 2025 01:30 PM (v0R5T)

What a waste of a Carl Spackler sock.

😠

19 Pimpin ain't easy y'all

20 I'm with Massie before I'm with Trump, on spending, on citizen rights, on federal land, and most certainly on another decade of foreign interventionism. I appreciate Trump and am glad I was able to help elect him (my vote actually counted in 2024 since I moved to a swing state) but he is looking like what his right-wing detractors (actual right wing detractors, not RINO and NeverTrump squishes) accused him of. I'm confident he'll right the ship, but I'm glad there's been so much pushback on this saber rattling, and I hope Massie handily defeats whatever New-York-money backed challenger they send his way.

21 That's going to cause a rift with the media. If the D's won't share top-secret military plans with you, who can you trust?!

22 So, Schumer forgot to turn on the grill again???

23 Thomas Massie is the Yassir Arafat of the GOPe.

24 12 Yes they repeat the lies told to them unquestionably by any anti American organization....

25 20 I'm with Massie before I'm with Trump, on spending, on citizen rights, on federal land, and most certainly on another decade of foreign interventionism. I appreciate Trump and am glad I was able to help elect him (my vote actually counted in 2024 since I moved to a swing state) but he is looking like what his right-wing detractors (actual right wing detractors, not RINO and NeverTrump squishes) accused him of. I'm confident he'll right the ship, but I'm glad there's been so much pushback on this saber rattling, and I hope Massie handily defeats whatever New-York-money backed challenger they send his way.
Posted by: ghost of kari at June 23, 2025 01:33 PM (An3vV)

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Massie voted for Biden's debt ceiling increase.

26 Thomas Massie is the Yassir Arafat of the GOPe.

Well, he doesn't have AIDS or a penchant for little boys.

That we know of.

27
Well, massie isn't "with" you.

28 Kentucky has also given us The Turtle and other varying species of RINOs. Also has a Democratic governor.

29 If I were tru p - or any president really - I wouldn’t call anyone in congress. If there’s one body of people likely to sell out their country it’s congress.

30 MILF cleavage is back!

31 I'm just super happy that we have finally invented a foolproof way to kill gophers.
Posted by: wth at June 23, 2025 01:30 PM (v0R5T)

What a waste of a Carl Spackler sock.

😠

*cough*

32 chuckie Schumer I guess is trying to play both sides.

As long he does not foul up and kill Americans, I can let it slide.

33
It's one thing to disagree, but another thing to go on CNN and talk shit.

massie is fucking garbage.

34 As a matter of OpSec I wouldn't want to inform the traitorous Democrat leadership either. Might as well call the Ayatollah directly.

35 Wait, CNN took a Democratic lie and ran with it unquestionably? Well, I never.
Posted by: Citizen Cake


Cue the “girlfriend looking at her guy who’s looking at another girl” meme.
-Hamas Ministry of Health

36 chuckie Schumer I guess is trying to play both sides.

As long he does not foul up and kill Americans, I can let it slide.

Hey, you voted for Trump right? Want one of my cheeseburgers straight off the grill? Extra pink just for you!

37 Hakeem was busy trying to Dox ICE agents and couldn't be bothered to answer the phone.

38 ghost of kari at June 23, 2025 01:33 PM (An3vV)

Replies calling you an anti American communist troll in 5…4….3…

39 "Massie was deep in KY politics with the GOPe machine"

That sounds dirty.

40 "On CBS's Face the Nation Sunday, Massie defended his position, stating, "We were tired of endless wars in the Middle East..."

Hey dickweed, every American with more than half a brain is sick of Iran being at war with the US for 46 years. How about we finally end it by us decisively winning, dickhead?

We know you'll never vote for a declaration of war anyway, so sit down and spend all your time fantasizing more about being forked by Mayor Buttplug.

41 38 ghost of kari at June 23, 2025 01:33 PM (An3vV)

Replies calling you an anti American communist troll in 5…4….3…
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at June 23, 2025 01:36 PM (/CkK4)

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Massie supports increased government spending when Biden wants it. He opposes increased government spending when Trump wants it.

Gotta love them principles.

42 It's great that Trump is dropping Massive Penetrators [giggle] on Massie. But will it work? I thought Massie was deep in KY politics with the GOPe machine, and thus very safe.

How do we get rid of this dracunculus?
Posted by: (There Can Be Only One) Elric Blade at June 23, 2025 01:31 PM (iFTx/)

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It might work with Trump stumping for Massie's primary opponent.

The RNC probably won't give Massie any money.

The RCCC will probably stay out of it.

Massie has his own fundraising, but Trump fundraising for an opponent should bring in a lot of money.

I don't think it's a slam dunk. Massie wins his primaries pretty easily. But we'll see.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 23, 2025 01:33 PM (GBKbO)
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Any lack of fundraising from RNC and RCCC will probably be made up -- and then some -- from leftwing foreign sources looking to sabotage Trump's favored pick. But ... who knows? I don't know how much such money is still out there.

Massie can suck assie. But I don't think it will be easy to remove him. Especially so long Turtle still has power there.

43 Hakeem was busy playing Spades with Obama and Reggie in the Martha's Vineyard Situation Room and Bathhouse.

44 Schumer did pick up the phone, but somehow did not leak advanced word to Iran.

Impeach!

45 We need to drop Whoopi Goldberg on Tehran, strapped to a GBU-57.

Blacks in America have it worse than women or gays in Iran?

46 Trump called Massie a bum. LOL

Maybe because he's rocking an unkept beard?

47
massie, like mccain, is way to eager to give Republican Voters the finger and gloat about it, and go on Fake News and smile about his fake muh principles bullshit.

48 too

49 AZ Intel @AZ_Intel_ 19m
BREAKING: U.S. President Donald Trump is currently in the White House Situation Room, monitoring Iranian retaliation.

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump · 20h
It’s not politically correct to use the term, “Regime Change,” but if the current Iranian Regime is unable to MAKE IRAN GREAT AGAIN, why wouldn’t there be a Regime change??? MIGA!!!

50
Massie voted for Biden's debt ceiling increase.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 23, 2025 01:34 PM (GBKbO)


Well, you've got your soundbite, haven't you? Why did he do that?

https://tinyurl.com/454bkdyj


Well, massie isn't "with" you.
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2025 01:34 PM (DCmYx)


Massie is the only sane voice in congress on spending. God bless and protect him.

No war in Iran.

51 Hey! Ho!
Massie
Got To Go!

{chanted while waving my MAGA hat!}

52 Oh noes! One of the "Top Blu-Ray Rentals" at my DVD rental service is … Snow White. Sure, Jan.

53 42 Any lack of fundraising from RNC and RCCC will probably be made up -- and then some -- from leftwing foreign sources looking to sabotage Trump's favored pick. But ... who knows? I don't know how much such money is still out there.

Massie can suck assie. But I don't think it will be easy to remove him. Especially so long Turtle still has power there.
Posted by: (There Can Be Only One) Elric Blade at June 23, 2025 01:37 PM (iFTx/)

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I think money would only matter in terms of raising the profile of the opponent at that level.

54 Why didn't Bush 2.0 just invade Iran in the first place?

55 Massie can suck assie. But I don't think it will be easy to remove him. Especially so long Turtle still has power there.

It will be interesting to see what happens to the power of the McConnell machine when he sits upon his final fence post.

56 FIRST!!!!!

57 Massie is a limp wrist attention whore who somehow was elected, soon to be unelected.

58 48 too
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The loneliest number except for thru??

59 Why didn't Bush 2.0 just invade Iran in the first place?

You mean Obama? He was too busy losing "the good war" in 'Stan by bringing in the feminists and kiddie diddlers.

60 50 Massie is the only sane voice in congress on spending. God bless and protect him.

No war in Iran.
Posted by: ghost of kari at June 23, 2025 01:38 PM (An3vV)

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So, he votes to increase Democrat spending but uses small government rhetoric and that fools you?

61
No war in Iran.


Someone really should've told the Iranians this.

62 FIRST WITH THE MOST
Posted by: (There Can Be Only One) Elric Blade


First with the MOIST? Sandra Fluke are you socking Elric?

63 Iran declared war in 1979

64 >>Schumer did pick up the phone, but somehow did not leak advanced word to Iran.


I tried to dammit! I couldn't find my cheaters and couldn't see to dial my Iranian contact at the UN!

65 @16

>>I don't think it's a slam dunk. Massie wins his primaries pretty easily. But we'll see.

Elections, in the main, are largely "fortified," there may be less fortification in GOP locales, but it exists.

If Thomas Massies constituents are happy with his service and performance, he will be re-elected.

In 2024 he ran unopposed and got 99.6pct of the vote.

Typically, he beats primary and general opponents 3:1.

So, as they say, we shall see.

66 Speaking of Massie I occasionally enjoy videos of barnacles being removed from turtles and lobsters. They make a most satisfying crunch. Massie is a barnacle.

67 Breaking news that Iran has launched ballistic missile attack on US interests in ME. Looks to me like non-attack attack for domestic consumption, probably face-saving prelude to negotiated conditional surrender (labeled something else)

68 I was with Fani Willis at the time. Cut me some slack.

69 So, he votes to increase Democrat spending but uses small government rhetoric and that fools you?

Has Massie bothered to explain this?

It always amazes me how many GOPers have to vote against Trump because of muh sacred principles but never voted against Biden/Obama

70 Why didn't Bush 2.0 just invade Iran in the first place?

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They made threats and would not stand down. Even after the UN passed the resolution. Bush even got Russia and China to abstain to pass it. He was given every chance. Stupid. Thought the US was joking.

71 So, he votes to increase Democrat spending but uses small government rhetoric and that fools you?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 23, 2025 01:39 PM (GBKbO)

You have a soundbite and you'll bleat it til teatime, that's fine. I didn't start following politics last week.

Good luck Horde.

72 I have a question. The President is very unlikely to call me, but does Hakeem Jeffries ( whom I don't like) have a notification on his phone that a call is coming in from the President (?) because if I don't recognize the number I may not answer.

73
It will be interesting to see what happens to the power of the McConnell machine when he sits upon his final fence post.
Posted by: Archimedes

I'm surprised the Turtle is still with us. The last time a saw a video of him he looked like a zombie.

74 Massie voted for Biden's debt ceiling increase.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 23, 2025 01:34 PM (GBKbO)

It's never about the issue or facts, it's always about proving Never Trump right, eventually, almost... well kinda sorta, someday they'll get him... and you'll know we we're right about him all along, you Orange Man Bad Cult fools!!

75 We need to drop Whoopi Goldberg on Tehran

That is absolutely a 'no'...

76 Massie can suck assie. But I don't think it will be easy to remove him. Especially so long Turtle still has power there.

It will be interesting to see what happens to the power of the McConnell machine when he sits upon his final fence post.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 23, 2025 01:38 PM (Riz8t)
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Yea. I'm not sure if Turtle is an institution such that even after he's gone he still wields power, like Obama was, or just one guy without any regime or coattails. I don't know enough about KY politics.

77 By "he" I mead Saddam, of course. Not good at diplomacy.

78 Replies calling you an anti American communist troll in 5…4….3…
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald
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I see you've been on X recently! You missed "execute the traitor" though.

79 Again, as long as the US role remains precision air strikes and plausibly deniable SOF actions, everything will be hunky dory, BOTG is a red line.

80 I like Massie, and I respect his broader constitutional argument regarding the President's war-making powers.

But he picked the way wrong time to make an issue of this; and his comments yesterday about "the Israel lobby" are not a good look.

81 Posted by: Farmer Bob at June 23, 2025 01:40 PM (hlNLQ)

That’s what I’m hoping for.

82 Good luck Horde.
Posted by: ghost of kari at June 23, 2025 01:40 PM (An3vV)

What are you wishing us good luck for?

83 Massie is great at wagging his big red baboon butt of political purity but not much else. Must be good at constituent serviceds.

84 For the record I strongly oppose any military action against Iran, well, at least any action that makes the fleet go out to sea.

85 69 So, he votes to increase Democrat spending but uses small government rhetoric and that fools you?

Has Massie bothered to explain this?

It always amazes me how many GOPers have to vote against Trump because of muh sacred principles but never voted against Biden/Obama
Posted by: 18-1 at June 23, 2025 01:40 PM (t0Rmr)

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It's in the link the other commenter provided.

"Some of them think you blow it up in the House, you march Kevin back over to the White House and you put him back in the room with Biden and he comes out with something that’s miraculously better. I don’t think that’s the next step,” Massie told conservative media personality Glenn Beck. “I think what happens next is McConnell and [Chuck] Schumer say, ‘You guys are done playing around – we’re going to get this done.”

Which amounts to, "This is imperfect, but better than the alternative." Which is fine. but then he opposed Trump's imperfect as well.

Because principles.

86 Do any of our bombers have enough capacity for a whoopie?

87
How Hakeem Jeffries Fooled my Colon Into Believing Lies
By Jake Tapper

88 To put it in perspective, the War on terror in Iraq and Afghanistan as well as other ME actions starting in 2002 and ending in 2022 cost a total of less than 3 trillion over that 20 year period. We spent 6 trillion in COVID 'relief' in just six months and about 14 trillion in 5 years.

From 2006 to 2020 of the war on terror we've lost more soldiers in training accidents than in combat.

These are not support or opposition facts but again just for perspective purposes.

89 71 You have a soundbite and you'll bleat it til teatime, that's fine. I didn't start following politics last week.

Good luck Horde.
Posted by: ghost of kari at June 23, 2025 01:40 PM (An3vV)

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Votes matter.

Dude voted against cuts to Medicaid that force off illegals because it's not conservative, or something.

90 Why are these dem idiots (including on this blog) screaming about "no war in Iran when there isn't even an American shoe in Iran. No one is going over there, Trump isn't sending anyone over there. Our planes fly there with impunity. Israel will take care of the mopping up. Just STFU until something actually happens.

91 No war in Iran.

We've been at war with Iran since 1979. The only thing the US government can do is either end it or continue allowing them to kill Americans when/where they choose.

92 You mean Obama?
Posted by: 18-1

No, I mean the human robot called George Walker Bush. He was a president of the US. The US stand for United States.

93 I'm with Massie before I'm with Trump, on spending, on citizen rights, on federal land, and most certainly on another decade of foreign interventionism. I appreciate Trump and am glad I was able to help elect him (my vote actually counted in 2024 since I moved to a swing state) but he is looking like what his right-wing detractors (actual right wing detractors, not RINO and NeverTrump squishes) accused him of. I'm confident he'll right the ship, but I'm glad there's been so much pushback on this saber rattling, and I hope Massie handily defeats whatever New-York-money backed challenger they send his way.
Posted by: ghost of kari at June 23, 2025 01:33 PM (An3vV)

Except Massie hasn't done anything, he's all talk and isolating himself from the party is foolish for a man in the legislature.

94 I'll bet Gen Mark Milley is upset he was no longer in the loop so he could call his counterpart in the IRGC and warn him of the attack.


Patriot that he is.

95 Carl is not the only one with a gopher problem, you know.

96 voting with Democrats is a sign of true MAGA conservatism!

-Massie is a messy

97 80 I like Massie, and I respect his broader constitutional argument regarding the President's war-making powers.

But he picked the way wrong time to make an issue of this; and his comments yesterday about "the Israel lobby" are not a good look.
Posted by: Dr. T at June 23, 2025 01:41 PM (jGGMD)

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It's extremely obvious that Trump's attack on Iran is well within the boundaries of the 2001 AUMF since Iran is a state sponsor of terrorism.

98 Tehran is under attack.

99 You have a soundbite and you'll bleat it til teatime, that's fine. I didn't start following politics last week.

Good luck Horde.

Posted by: ghost of kari at June 23, 2025 01:40 PM (An3vV)

He brings up a legitimate point.

Massie voted for it under Biden.

Why did Massie vote fot it under Biden, but now it's just too much?

He only grows a spine when there's a Republican in the Oval?

If we're all going to be held to true conservative principles always & forever, then can you explain why Massie didn't stick to his true conservative fiscal principles that are so important today?

100 President Boasberg just emailed to announce he has named Thomas Massie an honorary Federal District Judge.

101 We need to drop Whoopi Goldberg on Tehran, strapped to a GBU-57.


Posted by: Anna Puma



I am pretty sure that the Geneva Convention specifically prohibits this.

102 Tehran is under attack.

==

yes, for the last 10 day or so...

103 We need to drop Whoopi Goldberg on Tehran

That is absolutely a 'no'...
Posted by: The Geneva Convention


Yeah that’s cruel to the GBU-57.

104 You can tell a Canadian but you can't him much.

(Pixie won't allow me to paste this so here's a link.)

https://is.gd/u83X2I

105 93 Except Massie hasn't done anything, he's all talk and isolating himself from the party is foolish for a man in the legislature.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 23, 2025 01:43 PM (8avO+)

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Not even trying to build a coalition around an alternative.

106 I don't think I can commit to a firm position on Massie until I see an analysis of his haircut.

Good political hair is very important to me.

Till then, I'll adhere to my infirm position on Massie: I don't care at all.

107 Tehran is under attack.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 23, 2025 01:44 PM (6iGXV)
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Well, don't look at me!



Stay safe US and coalition forces.

108 72 I have a question. The President is very unlikely to call me, but does Hakeem Jeffries ( whom I don't like) have a notification on his phone that a call is coming in from the President (?) because if I don't recognize the number I may not answer.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 23, 2025 01:40 PM (2GCMq)

That actually happened to Scott Adams. When he announced his terminal cancer diagnosis, Trump called and left a message because Scott let it go to VM. Trump ended up calling him again, and getting through because Adams figured out that it was a real call from POTUS.

109 but does Hakeem Jeffries ... have a notification on his phone that a call is coming in from the President (?)

The last time I picked up, a bunch of them in the Oval Office went, "WAZZU-U-U-P?"

110 67 Looks to me like non-attack attack for domestic consumption, probably face-saving prelude to negotiated conditional surrender (labeled something else)
Posted by: Farmer Bob at June 23, 2025 01:40 PM (hlNLQ)

Agree. When your target is warned in advance, I think that qualifies as “theater”.

111 86 Do any of our bombers have enough capacity for a whoopie?

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 23, 2025 01:42 PM (6iGXV)


Yes, and the bomb bay of each can load, in addition to whoopie, all Lapdog Infotainment Channel talking heads. What is PDT waiting for?

112 Meanwhile...

@Polymarket 7h
BREAKING: Mamdani surges as clear favorite in the NYC Mayoral primary.

61% chance he wins.

113 Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 23, 2025 01:43 PM (ExV1e)

I keep hearing this and it’s a weak argument

114 Same scenario when these fake conservatives oppose Trump's nominees but voted for the Left's Commie Dem nominees.

I'm looking at the Hegseth nomination and confirmation.

115 I like Massie, and I respect his broader constitutional argument regarding the President's war-making powers.

But he picked the way wrong time to make an issue of this; and his comments yesterday about "the Israel lobby" are not a good look.
Posted by: Dr. T at June 23, 2025 01:41 PM (jGGMD)
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I don't disagree in theory on war powers. But ... AUMF. Yes, that one. Obama used it for 8 years to launch attacks and murder American citizens all over the middle east. Not a peep out of all those now screaming about Trump's relative pin-prick against Iran.

116 MILF cleavage is back!

*citation needed

117 (Pixie won't allow me to paste this so here's a link.)

https://is.gd/u83X2I

Well, this is one way to get tourists to stay away from that street I guess

118 McConnell owns the election machine in KY. Thus you get more of him, Rand Paul, and Massie who represents KY4. A district that runs from Louisville along the Ohio River all the way east to WV. His base is in Louisville.

The rural areas he represents probably haven't a clue what an asshat he is.

119 Tehran is under attack.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 23, 2025 01:44 PM (6iGXV)

LA County Sheriff's Office hardest hit.

120 Mamdani? is there anything Qatari money can't do ? London, NY, what else ?

121 86 Do any of our bombers have enough capacity for a whoopie?
Posted by: Boss Moss

I think the B2 has a 32,000lb load capacity or thereabouts. I think we would have to go with a B-52.

122 @112

>>61% chance he wins.

I bet Sliwa drops out and gets behind Adams and Adams wins as an independent.

123 Let the Midnight Hammer shine its light on me.

124 Faytuks News @Faytuks 5m
Anti-aircraft fire ongoing in Tehran, CNN's correspondent in the city says on live on air.

No indications that this is anything else than the normal Israeli attacks.

Faytuks News @Faytuks 15s
The Israeli air force is currently attacking Tehran, according to IDF military radio

t.me/moriahdoron/23615
[a Telegram channel with Hebrew writing that I don't know how to 'play']

125 Tehran is under attack.
Posted by: Boss Moss
......

Do you wear your turban under or over the hard hat?

126 The best reading of Massie would be that he's a gutless weasel who votes his "conscience" when his vote doesn't matter.

Johnson was getting the OBBB through the House without him, so he could vote against it. McCarthy needed the debt ceiling raised with his vote or it would fail, so he voted for it.

This is the mark of an opportunist, not a principled adherent to limited government spending. His rhetoric means nothing.

127 Good luck Horde.
Posted by: ghost of kari at June 23, 2025 01:40 PM (An3vV)

What are you wishing us good luck for?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 23, 2025 01:41 PM (2GCMq)

Sounded flounce-ish.

128 It's extremely obvious that Trump's attack on Iran is well within the boundaries of the 2001 AUMF since Iran is a state sponsor of terrorism.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 23, 2025 01:43 PM (GBKbO)


I was speaking more to his broader view that Congress needs to claw back some of the war-making power, as opposed to placing so much of it in the executive's hands. In theory, I don't have a problem with that.

But yes, it's inarguable that Congress did pass this AUMF and that Trump did act within the letter of the law. That's where I get off the Massie train. (And also, the aforementioned "Israel lobby" remarks.)

129 >>> "In fact, Hakeem Jeffries couldn't be reached,"

I was gonna take the president's phone call, but then I got high...

130 I was warming up Chuck's gas grill.

131 So Trump is upset that Massie is opposed to Iraq war 2.0? If Trump doesn't tread carefully this will wreck his presidency, as the Iraq debacle did to Bush. We do not need another foreign war that is not in the American interest.

132 I am pretty sure that the Geneva Convention specifically prohibits this.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at June 23, 2025 01:44 PM (WKKFo)

Yeah they outlawed chemical and biological warfare a century ago.

A Whoopi Bomb would qualify under both.

133 Bush and Co. maintaining a dignified silence.

134 115 I don't disagree in theory on war powers. But ... AUMF. Yes, that one. Obama used it for 8 years to launch attacks and murder American citizens all over the middle east. Not a peep out of all those now screaming about Trump's relative pin-prick against Iran.
Posted by: (There Can Be Only One) Elric Blade at June 23, 2025 01:46 PM (iFTx/)

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Probably a good idea to repeal it, to be honest.

I think there was an effort a few years ago that died in the Senate.

135 Boyd Crowder for Senate. Make Kentucky outlaw again!

136 Sounded flounce-ish.

==

he's been flouncing for a long time, just won't go away

137 117 (Pixie won't allow me to paste this so here's a link.)

https://is.gd/u83X2I

Well, this is one way to get tourists to stay away from that street I guess
Posted by: 18-1 at June 23, 2025 01:46 PM

Never go full retard.

138
Jeffries is ghosting Trump 'cause no love. Or money. But mostly money.

139 Tehran is under attack.
Posted by: Boss Moss at June 23, 2025 01:44 PM (6iGXV)

Any idea by whom?

140 Make The McConnell Machine Misunderestimate Massie!

141 "What are you wishing us good luck for?"

Because we are blindly following the tangerine terror into ww III?

142 72 I have a question. The President is very unlikely to call me, but does Hakeem Jeffries ( whom I don't like) have a notification on his phone that a call is coming in from the President (?) because if I don't recognize the number I may not answer.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke


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He needs and executive order that for any phone sold in USA, when the President calls the ring tone is forced to play "Hail To The Chief" at full volume.

143 This is the mark of an opportunist, not a principled adherent to limited government spending. His rhetoric means nothing.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 23, 2025 01:47 PM (GBKbO)

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Could be he wants McConnell's seat.

It would explain the grandstanding.

144 We need to drop Whoopi Goldberg on Tehran, strapped to a GBU-57.

Posted by: Anna Puma
......

Think of the outrageous sound that would make.

145 All the lefties hyperventilating on the socials about "where is Congress!!!!" will all pretend they never did that.

146 Posted by: mikeybates at June 23, 2025 01:48 PM (8+NuZ)

It’s beyond the Iran deal. He’s a grandstanding dickhead.

147 131 So Trump is upset that Massie is opposed to Iraq war 2.0? If Trump doesn't tread carefully this will wreck his presidency, as the Iraq debacle did to Bush. We do not need another foreign war that is not in the American interest.
Posted by: mikeybates at June 23, 2025 01:48 PM (8+NuZ)

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People keep talking like it's a fait accompli that Trump is going to send troops to regime change and then try to nation build.

Despite Trump constantly saying he won't and it being completely out of context with his character and governing philosophies and tactics that we've seen over nearly 5 years.

148 You have a soundbite and you'll bleat it til teatime, that's fine. I didn't start following politics last week.

Good luck Horde.
Posted by: ghost of kari at June 23, 2025 01:40 PM (An3vV)

Wait, we have teatime? When is it? What kind of tea? Will mugs be provided, or is it BYOM?

149 If Whoopie is strapped to a bomb heading to Tehran does that mean she becomes a Whoopie-cushion?

150 Bush and Co. maintaining a dignified silence.
Posted by: mr tmz at June 23, 2025 01:48 PM (rJ48h)

Pence praised Trump's Iran action.

151 Because we are blindly following the tangerine terror into ww III?
Posted by: Somewhere South of I-80 at June 23, 2025 01:50 PM (89Sog)

just practice duck and cover, you'd be OK

152 Oil prices dropping?

153 Will there be crumpets?

154 68 I was with Fani Willis at the time. Cut me some slack.
Posted by: Hakeem The Dream Jeffries at June 23, 2025 01:40 PM (yVvK4)

Me thinks you have the wrong lawyer from GA... Hakeem was with the other one.

155 If Whoopie is strapped to a bomb heading to Tehran does that mean she becomes a Whoopie-cushion?
Posted by: Huck Follywood at June 23, 2025 01:51 PM (yemn2)


One way to find out.

156 We need to drop Whoopi Goldberg on Tehran, strapped to a GBU-57

Drop me already! Can we just get this over with?

157 Some people love being contrarians. Massie is one of them. He's useless and needs to be replaced.

158 If I don't pick up because I don't recognize your number, leave a message.

159 >>> Wait, we have teatime? When is it? What kind of tea? Will mugs be provided, or is it BYOM?
Posted by: pookysgirl, asking important questions at June 23, 2025 01:50 PM (Wt5PA)

What kind of sammiches, and who is making them? Not it.

160 So, did Massie get himself into committee hearings on the OBBB and get cuts inserted that he wanted?

161 As I've said, there is a significant chunk of the Republican Party that is enthralled by the phony televangelist hucksterism of reps like Massie.

162
LA County Sheriff's Office hardest hit.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at June 23, 2025 01:46 PM (qE+/V)

I haven't met the bosses there but the police bosses are politicians with everything that goes with that. When you talk to them you realize that every relationship is transactional in nature and so insincere and transparently so.

163 we are further from WWIII now (at least in the ME) than we've been since 1989

164 Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump · 20h
It’s not politically correct to use the term, “Regime Change,” but if the current Iranian Regime is unable to MAKE IRAN GREAT AGAIN, why wouldn’t there be a Regime change??? MIGA!!!

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MIGA, please!

165 Bush and Co. maintaining a dignified silence.
Posted by: mr tmz at June 23, 2025 01:48 PM

Busy cashing dividend checks.

166 117 (Pixie won't allow me to paste this so here's a link.)

https://is.gd/u83X2I

Well, this is one way to get tourists to stay away from that street I guess
Posted by: 18-1

Prince showed us the way.
Unofficially, "the street formerly known as Trutch."

167 Some people love being contrarians. Massie is one of them. He's useless and needs to be replaced.
Posted by: redridinghood at June 23, 2025 01:52 PM (NpAcC)

We'd lose a 1/4 of aos commenters. 😀

168 Some people love being contrarians. Massie is one of them. He's useless and needs to be replaced.
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And Collins, Murkowski, and Lankford.

169 Posted by: polynikes at June 23, 2025 01:51 PM (VofaG)

Pretty telling

170 No idea. Big explosions.

171 "Š xʷ məθkʷ əy̓ə msəm Street"


So is that pronounced like "Sex me Ow yeah mama"?

Cuz that's why my brain is telling me.

172 A Whoopi bomb would cover the Middle East with toxic debris.

173 Massie is McCain2.0

174 Iranians can execute their own" regime change", Trump is just doing his "MrGorbachev tear down this wall" thing

175
Wait, we have teatime? When is it? What kind of tea? Will mugs be provided, or is it BYOM?
Posted by: pookysgirl, asking important questions at June 23, 2025 01:50 PM (Wt5PA)

The horde uses cups and saucers, we aren't animals.

176 I'm actually surprised that the President hasn't started calling Rep. Thomas Massie "Gassy Massie", for the amount of hot air he puts out.

177 (Pixie won't allow me to paste this so here's a link.)

https://is.gd/u83X2I

Well, this is one way to get tourists to stay away from that street I guess
Posted by: 18-1 at June 23, 2025 01:46 PM (t0Rmr)
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The irony: that alphabet diarrhea they used for the street name is not from any Indian or native language. White linguists invented it, based on the phonetic pronunciation of the spoken language. This is basically an insult to the natives, but nobody in this bunch of land-acknowledging homos will get that.

178 Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at June 23, 2025 01:53 PM (RpoEI)

Do they mention Jesus a lot because that's what "televangelist" usually implies?

179
What kind of sammiches, and who is making them? Not it.
Posted by: LizLem at June 23, 2025 01:52 PM (Eng1Z)
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Yeah, nice try. You dealt it, you make it.

180 I think the B2 has a 32,000lb load capacity or thereabouts. I think we would have to go with a B-52.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at June 23, 2025 01:47 PM (/U5Yz)

Each B2 can be loaded with two 30,000lb bunkerbusters.

181 MIPA.

Make Iran Persia Again.

182 (Pixie won't allow me to paste this so here's a link.)

https://is.gd/u83X2I

Well, this is one way to get tourists to stay away from that street I guess

Posted by: 18-1 at June 23, 2025 01:46 PM

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OUT: Sesame Street.
IN: [Pixie Hates Unicode] Street.

183 People keep talking like it's a fait accompli that Trump is going to send troops to regime change and then try to nation build.

Despite Trump constantly saying he won't and it being completely out of context with his character and governing philosophies and tactics that we've seen over nearly 5 years.
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And also the distinct lack of troop movements that would be required.

184 WTI down $4.28?
WTI, WTF?

185 All he is saying is give peace a chance.

JD Vance: Iranians "Not Very Good At War," Should "Give Peace A Chance"

186 I'd be fine with Massie if he actually stuck to his guns.

If he had been willing to tear the place apart under Biden because the debt ceiling was bad.

But nope. He got some empty promises and folded like a cheap suit.

And now he stands firm?

Whatever, man. He elicits no emotion, but I do not understand the people defending him. It's all just empty rhetoric. He might as well be a writer at NRO.

187 Not even trying to build a coalition around an alternative.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 23, 2025 01:44 PM (GBKbO)

Or even horse trading..I'll give you this vote if you give me this explicit cut to the size of government I can take home to his supporters.

188 Cucky Schoomer probably thought that it was a traitor's trap so didn't call up Iran.

189 >>We do not need another foreign war that is not in the American interest.

Judging by the Iranians stage managed "attack" where they called the Qataris before shooting off missiles to warn them and none got through anywhere, I'd say the talk of a major war is as wrong now as ever.

But I would like some of you who keep insisting Trump should have done nothing when the terrorists who run Iran have been attacking and killing Americans for decades and were on the cusp of breakout with their enrichment plans would consider "American interest".

It's seems pretty weak to keep insisting that a country that has been calling for our death since 1979 and never stops trying to make it happen is not really a threat to the US and neither would them having nukes. Even if Iran didn't hit us directly and "only" hit Israel with a nuke we would definitely be in a real war with boots on the ground with nukes an option.

190 84 For the record I strongly oppose any military action against Iran, well, at least any action that makes the fleet go out to sea.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke

Follow the Fleet, girl!

191 Posted by: polynikes at June 23, 2025 01:51 PM (VofaG)

Pretty telling
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at June 23, 2025 01:53 PM (trxIx)

Damned if you do and damned if you don't.

192 You can tell a Canadian but you can't him much.

(Pixie won't allow me to paste this so here's a link.)

https://is.gd/u83X2I
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Master of the Mundane at June 23, 2025 01:44 PM (L/fGl)

https://youtu.be/96VRfQU7voI

193 big red baboon butt of political purity

—-

If this isn’t a tshirt by this evening, I will be so disappointed.

194 @147

>>Despite Trump constantly saying he won't and it being completely out of context with his character and governing philosophies and tactics that we've seen over nearly 5 years.

As long as it's airstrikes and plausibly deniable SOF missions, then everything will be ducky. BOTG is a redline and Trump is not going to cross his own redline.

Certainly not in this instance.

But if Iran FA, they will FO.

195 >Schumer did pick up the phone, but somehow did not leak advanced word to Iran.

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that is a miracle

196 And you gotta love it. Congress can't pass a budget but thinks they should decide what the Commander in Chief can do. Congress would never act because they are on vacation.

197 171 "Š xʷ məθkʷ əy̓ə msəm Street"


So is that pronounced like "Sex me Ow yeah mama"?

Cuz that's why my brain is telling me.
Posted by: SpeakingOf

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Funny, my brain is telling me that it reads: "the people in charge of this town are f--cking morons."

198 >>> Wait, we have teatime? When is it? What kind of tea? Will mugs be provided, or is it BYOM?
Posted by: pookysgirl, asking important questions at June 23, 2025 01:50 PM (Wt5PA)

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Better be long island's, or I’m out.

199 "We were tired of endless wars in the Middle East...

And I'm tired of this line, you preening prick. This has nothing to do with an "endless war" -- just the opposite. The elimination of Iran as a factor in the Middle East would be one of the greatest foreign policy achievements since the Wall came down.

200 Jewish Insider, open seat, February 21, 2025
McConnell’s retirement stokes concerns Massie may run for Senate
The Republican Jewish Coalition pledged ‘unlimited’ spending to block Massie if he decides to run

In part, "Sen. Mitch McConnell’s (R-KY) retirement, announced on Thursday, could open up a path for Rep. Thomas Massie (R-KY), among the most consistent opponents of legislation to support Israel and combat antisemitism in the House, to make a bid for the U.S. Senate in the 2026 midterms. The prospect is already generating fierce opposition from the local and national Jewish community."

And, "While Pell acknowledged that some in the Jewish community may not have voted for McConnell and have not always seen eye to eye with him on other issues, “there is no question of his willingness to stand up for Israel, his willingness to stand up against antisemitism, his consistent support for the Jewish community, his willingness to show up and speak to the Jewish community.”


2026 mid-terms are a ways off.

201 Do any of our bombers have enough capacity for a whoopie?"

Might explain interest in more Starship development. Wonder how much lift is needed?

202 >>> We need to drop Whoopi Goldberg on Tehran, strapped to a GBU-57

After Schwarzenegger appeared on the View and schooled them on the importance of being a polite guest if you're an immigrant, I saw the comment pop up that it's the first time Dutch and the Predator have been seen together in years. (since Whoopie has those long dreds.) Once you see, you cannot unsee...

203
Why did Massie vote fot it under Biden, but now it's just too much?

He only grows a spine when there's a Republican in the Oval?
Posted by: SpeakingOf at June 23, 2025 01:44 PM (6ydKt)


Because he wasn't going to get a better option from a split Congress under Biden. He should be getting one from a Republican Congress under Trump. That's what he said in the link I provided. It's really obvious, any kid who's played a board game could explain it to you

But you're not arguing in good faith, because it's nothing to do with money, is it? It's about military support for Israel. Any cudgel to beat him with over that.

204 I don't disagree in theory on war powers. But ... AUMF. Yes, that one. Obama used it for 8 years to launch attacks and murder American citizens all over the middle east. Not a peep out of all those now screaming about Trump's relative pin-prick against Iran.
Posted by: (There Can Be Only One) Elric Blade at June 23, 2025 01:46 PM (iFTx/)

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Probably a good idea to repeal it, to be honest.

I think there was an effort a few years ago that died in the Senate.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison


It passed in 2001. This is 2025. They've had almost 24 years to repeal it if they had wanted to.

Except Clinton, Obama & Shitpants kinda liked having it around.

Oopsie.

205 The B-2s are back home.

206 "On CBS's Face the Nation Sunday, Massie defended his position, stating, "We were tired of endless wars in the Middle East..."
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Did he ever say that prior to Trump saying it in the 2016 debates?

I bet he didn't.
Not until it was well-safe to do so.

Like I said, phony televangelist huckster.

207
Suckum dickum Street.

Casino Joe wears a festive little hat.

208 Massie is McCain2.0
Posted by: Notsothoreau at June 23, 2025 01:54 PM (AcTAo)

At least McCain set fire to an aircraft carrier.

209 >>> "In fact, Hakeem Jeffries couldn't be reached,"

Neither could the Ayatollah.
So happy together la la la la la

210 >>>>We do not need another foreign war that is not in the American interest.


Woah buddy...finish that first Red herring before you reach for a second one.

211 Massie may be wrong on Iran, but his complaints about the Big Bodacious Boondoggle were valid; there are no cuts, only promises of future cuts. And the Green sludge fund is still in there.

212 If he had been willing to tear the place apart under Biden because the debt ceiling was bad.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

Tear the place apart? Man, I didn't know Senators were that powerful.

213 Kari is good people.

214 Trump took the heat for being the first major Republican to come out against endless wars in the Middle East.

And here's the Massie bitch acting like he was leading the parade all along.

215 161 As I've said, there is a significant chunk of the Republican Party that is enthralled by the phony televangelist hucksterism of reps like Massie.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice
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More apparent on social media, NR, etc. than in reality.

Niche appeal of beautiful losers where they allegedly stand on whatever principles they find convenient today but disappear or backstab when the battle is against the Democrats.

Massie did little or nothing compared with someone else disliked by a fair number of the horde like MTG over the Jan 6 show trials, Biden's massive deficits, the horrendous idiotic retreat from Kabul, etc. Now he appears like the little man he is to ankle bite the GOP majority for trying to move the leviathan toward more conservative principles while loudly proclaiming his true principles to one and all. He is a living breathing No True Scotsman fallacy in Congress.

Justin Amash redux.

216 WTI down $4.28?
WTI, WTF?
Posted by: J R EWING at June 23, 2025 01:55 PM

Nothing is making any sense in financials right now. I'm just rolling with it. Up 1.29% on the day doing the complete opposite of what would make sense to me.

217 What type of sound would falling Whoopi make?

218 After Schwarzenegger appeared on the View and schooled them on the importance of being a polite guest if you're an immigrant, I saw the comment pop up that it's the first time Dutch and the Predator have been seen together in years. (since Whoopie has those long dreds.) Once you see, you cannot unsee...
Posted by: LizLem at June 23, 2025 01:57 PM (Eng1Z)

Pred really hit that wall hard.

219 I though Eyepatch McCain was McCain 2.0.

220 A district that runs from Louisville along the Ohio River all the way east to WV. His base is in Louisville.

The rural areas he represents probably haven't a clue what an asshat he is.

Posted by: Martini Farmer
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I'd guess half the population in that district is in the three counties across from Cincinnati.

221 194 As long as it's airstrikes and plausibly deniable SOF missions, then everything will be ducky. BOTG is a redline and Trump is not going to cross his own redline.

Certainly not in this instance.

But if Iran FA, they will FO.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 23, 2025 01:56 PM (XV/Pl)

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I don't think Iran can.

Their investment has been in Hezbollah rockets, Hamas tunnels, and terrorizing their own citizens not building a military that can march or anything.

With Israel taking out IRGC leadership over the last day, Hezbollah having no more rockets, and Hamas not really needing tunnels anymore, their investment strategy is dashed

222 Here in Israel, reports from 10 minutes ago say IAF is attacking Teheran.

So... what are the US jets up to?

223 This is going to be a lot quicker than many think. I think.

224 Because he wasn't going to get a better option from a split Congress under Biden. He should be getting one from a Republican Congress under Trump. That's what he said in the link I provided. It's really obvious, any kid who's played a board game could explain it to you

Then quite literally, what is the point of him? He can't convince enough people to get something done under a GOP president, and he's completely cowed when there is a Democrat president.

225 Tear the place apart? Man, I didn't know Senators were that powerful.
Posted by: weft cut-loop
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He is a Congress critter that was a coward not to be seen or noticed during the Biden years. MTG or even Lauren Boebert, he is not.

226 Oil prices dropping?

"Well, crap. What else we got?"
-- Panic Mongers, Inc.

227 Posted by: ghost of kari at June 23, 2025 01:57 PM (aUesR)

You are relying on twisted logic to excuse his support during Biden of the things he opposes now. How about his nominee oppositions?

228 If he had been willing to tear the place apart under Biden because the debt ceiling was bad.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

Tear the place apart? Man, I didn't know Senators were that powerful.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2025 01:58 PM (mlg/3)

Massie isn't a Senator.

229 After Schwarzenegger appeared on the View and schooled them on the importance of being a polite guest if you're an immigrant, I saw the comment pop up that it's the first time Dutch and the Predator have been seen together in years. (since Whoopie has those long dreds.) Once you see, you cannot unsee...
Posted by: LizLem at June 23, 2025 01:57 PM (Eng1Z)

You're one ugly muddafukah...

230 What type of sound would falling Whoopi make?
Posted by: Northernlurker , Maple Syrup MAGA
......

Screeching then a big fart when she hit.

231 212 If he had been willing to tear the place apart under Biden because the debt ceiling was bad.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

Tear the place apart? Man, I didn't know Senators were that powerful.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2025 01:58 PM (mlg/3)

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Since he was the deciding vote on the finance committee in the House, he could have, yes.

232 And I'm tired of this line, you preening prick. This has nothing to do with an "endless war" -- just the opposite. The elimination of Iran as a factor in the Middle East would be one of the greatest foreign policy achievements since the Wall came down.
Posted by: Ordinary Amerian at June 23, 2025 01:56 PM (x2CMu)

Get in the APC then. Calling someone else preening and then posting this YIKES

233 Kari is good people.
Posted by: ... at June 23, 2025 01:58 PM (E0p3T)

no

234 *So... what are the US jets up to?*

Training.

235 Not every one that saith unto me, MAGA, MAGA, shall enter into the Golden Age; but he that doeth the will of Trump.

Many will say to me in that day, Trump, Trump, have we not campaigned in our MAGA caps? and in thy name have cast out democrats from their exalted government posts? and in thy name done many wonderful works, the best works?

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that oppose my at least not entirely ineffective Iran raid.

236
he's been flouncing for a long time, just won't go away
Posted by: runner at June 23, 2025 01

Maybe we need to find the flouncing tutu for him.

237 218 After Schwarzenegger appeared on the View and schooled them on the importance of being a polite guest if you're an immigrant, I saw the comment pop up that it's the first time Dutch and the Predator have been seen together in years. (since Whoopie has those long dreds.) Once you see, you cannot unsee...
Posted by: LizLem at June 23, 2025 01:57 PM (Eng1Z)

Pred really hit that wall hard.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 23, 2025 01:59 PM (8avO+)

What the fuck are you?

238 Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump · 20h
It’s not politically correct to use the term, “Regime Change,” but if the current Iranian Regime is unable to MAKE IRAN GREAT AGAIN, why wouldn’t there be a Regime change??? MIGA!!!
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Trump's next act is going to be winning election as Iran's next Supreme Leader, assuming for a moment they decide to make that an elected position.

239 224 Then quite literally, what is the point of him? He can't convince enough people to get something done under a GOP president, and he's completely cowed when there is a Democrat president.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 23, 2025 01:59 PM (t0Rmr)

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But his rhetoric, man.

His rhetoric!

240 Nice post on American Greatness by Cynical Publius. The Trump Doctrine

https://tinyurl.com/6p6fs59k

241 "We were tired of endless wars in the Middle East...

And I'm tired of this line, you preening prick. This has nothing to do with an "endless war" -- just the opposite. The elimination of Iran as a factor in the Middle East would be one of the greatest foreign policy achievements since the Wall came down.
Posted by: Ordinary Amerian


AND it ends a forever war that started well before some of these people were born. 11-04-1979.

242 It's seems pretty weak to keep insisting that a country that has been calling for our death since 1979 and never stops trying to make it happen is not really a threat to the US and neither would them having nukes. Even if Iran didn't hit us directly and "only" hit Israel with a nuke we would definitely be in a real war with boots on the ground with nukes an option.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 23, 2025 01:55 PM (viF8m)

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People have to ignore a lot of history to come down on the other side on this one. They have to ignore a very long list of atrocities the Iranians have been responsible for over the past four decades, and then ignore their threats and games over the nuke issue for the past two decades.

It's the same kind of ignorance that the Hamas supporters have to feign to think and say the things they do.

243 Massie did little or nothing compared with someone else disliked by a fair number of the horde like MTG over the Jan 6 show trials/i]

It is a good point. For all the hate that MTG has gotten over the years she's had some sort of positive impact - what has Massie accomplished over the years he's been in office? And here "I'm just one conservative outsider among hundreds of reps" doesn't cut it looking at MTG...

244 Do any of our bombers have enough capacity for a whoopie?"

Might explain interest in more Starship development. Wonder how much lift is needed?

Posted by: man
===

Maybe with a lot of JATO packs it might get off the ground.

245 WTI down $4.28?
WTI, WTF?
Posted by: J R EWING

Puts and Calls. Not to be confused with Putin Calls.

246 I'd guess half the population in that district is in the three counties across from Cincinnati.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba
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Exurbs of Lexington, Louisville, and Cincinnati make up the majority of voters in his district.

247 Sure been said already It's a wonderful if the Iranians knew before hand it was coming from a Democrat spy

248 I think Whoopi would make a shrill vibrating sound when the wind catches her nethers.

249 Massie is a piece of shit, I literally can't comprehend people that still buy his 'principles' crap.

He's no different from Romney. Their 'principles' only apply to Republicans, but Democrats get a free pass.

250 Who was it who said 'never get into a land war in Asia' ?

251 @211

>> Massie may be wrong on Iran, but his complaints about the Big Bodacious Boondoggle were valid; there are no cuts, only promises of future cuts. And the Green sludge fund is still in there.

He's wrong, on the whole, the bill does a lot of good, does it have everything we want? No. But that's what we are going to get for now.

I like Massie generally and the bills he has proposed are good bills, the main problem is the GOP is a useless pile of dog shit and this is pretty much as good as it gets it seems.

252 Piper! How long have you been hanging around the Royals ??

253 I'd guess half the population in that district is in the three counties across from Cincinnati.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at June 23, 2025 01:59 PM (t/qwz)

Louisville is larger than Newport and Covington if he has all of it. But yeah not much peeps around the river till you get to Huntington WV

254 Kari is good people.
Posted by: ... at June 23, 2025 01:58 PM (E0p3T)

I've had a crush on her since her MTV days.
We are talking about Kari Wuher, right?

255 Disclose TV @disclosetv Jun 22
NOW - Bolton supports Trump's attack and says "we are on the verge of potentially seeing regime change in Iran."

Disclose.tv @disclosetv Jun 22
JUST IN - Trump: "Great unity in the Republican Party."

Disclose.tv @disclosetv 20h
JUST IN - Trump: "MAKE IRAN GREAT AGAIN."

Disclose.tv @disclosetv 20h
MORE - Earlier, Vance appeared on various TV talk shows and asserted that the U.S. has no interest in pursuing a regime change in Iran.

Breaking911 @Breaking911 18h
BREAKING: Lindsey Graham jumps on the Trump "MIGA" bandwagon, calling for a regime change in Iran.

256
Tonight's "Low" temp will be 75.

Color me: Not amused.

257 It’s teatime?

I like Earl Gray and the little cucumber sammiches.

258 Targeted air strikes are fine; but if the plan mutates into "Occupy Iran for twenty years then put the Mullahs back in charge" I'm out.

259 Massie may be wrong on Iran, but his complaints about the Big Bodacious Boondoggle were valid; there are no cuts, only promises of future cuts. And the Green sludge so fund is still in there.
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at June 23, 2025 01:58 PM (O9qN1)

The bill and cuts misrepresented by the opponents as well as leaving out the advantages of passing that bill now. And again he had no trouble with it being worse under Biden.

260 Given that the airstrike against the Iranian general back in Trump's last term was probably the only time in my lifetime that I can think of a military action that the US has taken in the Middle East that was a complete and unconditional success, I find it a little odd that so many people are completely convinced he doesn't know how to play this.

261 Massie isn't a Senator.
Posted by: Oldcat

Not even a Senator? Wow, that sounds more dangerous.

262
Sleep tight tonight, your Democratic Congressional Leadership is awake!

(They may be drunk, but they're awake!)

263 Anyone remember back in the 2015 primary debates when Trump said the invasion of Iraq was one of the dumbest things this country has ever done?

Anyone thinking Trump is putting ground forces into Iran hasn’t been paying attention.

264
Posted by: JackStraw

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Agreed.

Also, everyone is overlooking the non-Iran message that is being sent.

To the bad actors around the world - No one is safe if you piss us off. The days of chanting threats without repercussions are over.

To China - Match that.

To Russia - Are you sure you want to trade threats with us

To China/Russia allies - where is your god now?

To the world - Trump is not chicken, USA is not done, and nothing is safe if we need to remove it.

This is like Reagan going after Grenada, which was the start of the healing after Carter and VN.

265 Trump's next act is going to be winning election as Iran's next Supreme Leader

Posted by: Huck Follywood at June 23, 2025 02:01 PM (Rc/RV)
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The Magatollah?

266 193 big red baboon butt of political purity

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If this isn’t a tshirt by this evening, I will be so disappointed.
Posted by: Piper at June 23, 2025 01:56 PM
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I fully expect to see it in a limerick in tomorrow's Art Thread.

267 Exurbs of Lexington, Louisville, and Cincinnati make up the majority of voters in his district.
Posted by: whig at June 23, 2025 02:02 PM (ctrM5)

Surprised he gets all the way down to Lexington, that's about 60 miles from the river.

268 Massie/Crenshaw 2028! "Restore the Norms".

269 Mamdani announced that he will open government run grocery stores in NYC if elected. I really want to see this happen.

270 Why, I never!

Shooting at Juneteenth Celebration Leaves 1 Dead, At Least 9 Injured

271 "Regime change" is a dog whistle !

272 Do any of our bombers have enough capacity for a whoopie?"
Yes, a stripped down B-2 with constant refueling.
USAF code name "Fat Boy"

273 Not everyone against forever bullshit war in the middle east is an anti-Israel troll. Just some of them.

Kari is a Trump originalist and I ask anyone who is against more middle east bullshit to at least wait and see how this goes. Trump is not like anyone we have had or will have again.

274 I think Whoopi would make a shrill vibrating sound when the wind catches her nethers.
Posted by: Northernlurker , Maple Syrup MAGA
.....

Or a loud flapping.

275 It could be more like First Manassas...

276 Guys, there may be a war in the middle east, but our country is no longer a polity capable of shipping troops over there. That would fracture the nation. We get our budget in order and reclaim the ability to safely walk down the streets in our cities, or we cease to be.

It's so funny because (as some remember) I've been here since 2015, and the very people giving these weak all-out attacks on Massie were major proponents of his.

Only one thing has changed, and it isn't his stance on the debt ceiling.

No war!

277 I keep hearing this and it’s a weak argument
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at June 23, 2025 01:46 PM (trxIx)

Is it? Iran has been directly, or indirectly, responsible for several hundred US deaths. Do they mean nothing? Do we permit them to continue ad infinitum? Iran has stated that they will use nuclear weapons against "the Satans". Do we wait until Tel Aviv or DC is gone before we act?

I oppose sending US ground troops to Iran. If, however, the Iranian government persists in being an antagonist, we should take actions to end it. If prior administrations had done that, rather than trying to introduce women's lib and homosexuality to Afghanistan and Iraq, maybe we wouldn't be in the position we're in.

278 Targeted air strikes are fine; but if the plan mutates into "Occupy Iran for twenty years then put the Mullahs back in charge" I'm out.
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo

Don't worry the 'boots on the ground' inevitability is just going to be several billion dollars worth of PayLess gift cards airdropped in.

279
Hakeem had a good excuse: he was getting his asshole resized because Nancy's palsied hands are shrinking and both of them prefer a "tight fit" when she goes all puppet master on him.

280 Disclose.tv @disclosetv 20h
JUST IN - Trump: "MAKE IRAN GREAT AGAIN."

Disclose.tv @disclosetv 20h
MORE - Earlier, Vance appeared on various TV talk shows and asserted that the U.S. has no interest in pursuing a regime change in Iran.


Two things that can be true at the same time.

"Now is the time for all good Iranians to come to the aid of their country".

281 I like Earl Gray and the little cucumber sammiches.
Posted by: nurse ratched at June 23, 2025 02:04 PM (W2Pud)
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With or without the crust? Cut diagonally? Toast the bread first?

282 It is a good point. For all the hate that MTG has gotten over the years she's had some sort of positive impact - what has Massie accomplished over the years he's been in office? And here "I'm just one conservative outsider among hundreds of reps" doesn't cut it looking at MTG...
Posted by: 18-1
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I use Jan 6 as a key marker as to posers versus reality. MTG and a couple of other Congress critters were there to oppose injustice and true massive government overreach of power. They did so despite pissing off the Uniparty in both houses and MTG was punished over it and calling out the Big Cheat in 2020 to the extent of losing her committee assignments by Dem fiat.

283
There is no "war."

Stop with the pants-shitting.

We are the goddamed United State of America and we will bomb whoeverthefuck wheneverthefuck we want, and that doesn't mean War. It means we are the lone Superpower and what We say Goes.

284 A man on X shares that he has no video of him with his mom. He has a picture of them together and AI was able to create a beautiful short video of a hug between him as a boy and his mother.

The replies are full of crazy whackjobs screaming that this is a Black Mirror, black tar heroin, false memory nightmare.

Why are people so broken?

http://tiny.cc/h4sn001

285 Who was it who said 'never get into a land war in Asia' ?
Posted by: Don Black. Message: release the Kraken at June 23, 2025 02:03 PM (AOsQT)

Some Asian

286 Yes, a stripped down B-2 with constant refueling.
USAF code name "Fat Boy"
Posted by: J R EWING at June 23, 2025 02:06 PM (R6Hhu)


Operation: Fat Twat Drop

287 Fox reporting that Israel is striking Iran now.

288 You are relying on twisted logic to excuse his support during Biden of the things he opposes now.
Posted by: polynikes at June 23, 2025 02:00 PM (VofaG)

No I'm not.

289 Their 'principles'

When politicians babble principles, watch your wallets...

290 Anyone remember back in the 2015 primary debates when Trump said the invasion of Iraq was one of the dumbest things this country has ever done?

Anyone thinking Trump is putting ground forces into Iran hasn’t been paying attention.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2025 02:04 PM (u73o

That was a change of a former position and I think he was wrong.

291 266 193 big red baboon butt of political purity

—-

If this isn’t a tshirt by this evening, I will be so disappointed.
Posted by: Piper at June 23, 2025 01:56 PM
+++

I fully expect to see it in a limerick in tomorrow's Art Thread.
Posted by: Limerick Lover

Who did they open for?

292 Hakeem had a good excuse: he was getting his asshole resized because Nancy's palsied hands are shrinking and both of them prefer a "tight fit" when she goes all puppet master on him.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot


Way, waaaay more eloquent than me. I was just going to say he was getting pegging by super straight Cory Booker.

293 Trump's next act is going to be winning election as Iran's next Supreme Leader

Posted by: Huck Follywood at June 23, 2025 02:01 PM (Rc/RV)
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The Magatollah?
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey

"I love Iran! Trump Tower has the best falafel in New York, everyone knows it"

294 I don't have TV so I am not familiar with Massie, only that he is a thing

who has the cliff notes

295 OT...With all due respect to King Harv, I have to read the comments now with one eye closed in case the Lord strikes me blind.

296 MICA!

Make Istanbul Constantinople Again!

297 Iran apparently firing missiles at a US base in Qatar

298 Exurbs of Lexington, Louisville, and Cincinnati make up the majority of voters in his district.
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Just looked at it. 410K of 756K in district are in Boone, Kenton and Campbell across from Cincy.

299 Oil prices dropping?
Posted by: Boss Moss at June 23, 2025 01:52 PM (6iGXV)

Prolly from the Chinese saying, "No, you're not going to blockade the Straits of Hormuz where we get half our oil."

300 the very people giving these weak all-out attacks on Massie were major proponents of his."

No, we were not.

301 >With or without the crust? Cut diagonally? Toast the bread first?


And doilies.

302 Israel already said that if Iran wants to make a deal , they can be done in a few days.

303 A man on X shares that he has no video of him with his mom. He has a picture of them together and AI was able to create a beautiful short video of a hug between him as a boy and his mother.

The replies are full of crazy whackjobs screaming that this is a Black Mirror, black tar heroin, false memory nightmare.

Why are people so broken?

http://tiny.cc/h4sn001
Posted by: bonhomme at June 23, 2025 02:07 PM (lIio7)

There was a big industry in WWI in England of adjusting photos to add or isolate a son that didn't make it back. Taking a photo of the boy in uniform and putting in a new combined image, isolating a family picture to make him be alone. Those crank girls who did the fairy photo hoax worked on such jobs.

304 One of my mentors, who was from Cincinnati, and I were at his pool on the beach drinking margaritas in the sun. He says "This is great. Do you know there are four good days in Cincinnati? Two in spring and two in fall."

I miss him. Good people.

305
Some people love being contrarians. Massie is one of them. He's useless and needs to be replaced.
Posted by: redridinghood at June 23, 2025 01:52 PM (NpAcC)

We'd lose a 1/4 of aos commenters. 😀
Posted by: polynikes at June 23, 2025 01:53 PM (VofaG)



No we wouldn't....

306
Ace should post that very old clip of President Trump reacting to Iran shooting down one our drones.

Some Fake News fuckface asked him if he will retaliate. President Trump said of course now; he wouldn't do that over a drone.

We are not at "war." We will never be at "war" with Iran. Relax, pant-pissers. Massie is a loser and a chump. Don't be like massie.

307 There is no "war."

Stop with the pants-shitting.

We are the goddamed United State of America and we will bomb whoeverthefuck wheneverthefuck we want, and that doesn't mean War. It means we are the lone Superpower and what We say Goes.

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2025 02:07 PM (DCmYx)

Say this out loud into the mirror

308 It'll always be Burma to me...

309 Posted by: ghost of kari at June 23, 2025 02:06 PM (aUesR)

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What leads you to believe Trump is considering ground forces in Iran? Not being snarky here, just trying to understand your position.

310 I'm hearing reports the enriched uranium has been moved. Okay, you've got a pile of Uranium. That's great. However, the very expensive and extremely difficult to set up machinery needed to enrich further is now destroyed. Where do you find the cash needed to buy more machinery and how long to rebuild the infrastructure?

311 Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump

Did I hear Former President Medvedev, from Russia, casually throwing around the “N word” (Nuclear!), and saying that he and other Countries would supply Nuclear Warheads to Iran? Did he really say that or, is it just a figment of my imagination? If he did say that, and, if confirmed, please let me know, IMMEDIATELY. The “N word” should not be treated so casually. I guess that’s why Putin’s “THE BOSS.” By the way, if anyone thinks our “hardware” was great over the weekend, far and away the strongest and best equipment we have, 20 years advanced over the pack, is our Nuclear Submarines. They are the most powerful and lethal weapons ever built, and just launched the 30 Tomahawks — All 30 hit their mark perfectly. So, in addition to our Great Fighter Pilots, thank you to the Captain and Crew!


Medvedev did pretty much admit in his post that the ultimate aim for Iran was nuclear weapons.

"it can now be admitted..." or something close.

312 285 Who was it who said 'never get into a land war in Asia' ?
Posted by: Don Black. Message: release the Kraken at June 23, 2025 02:03 PM (AOsQT)

Some Asian
Posted by: Oldcat at June 23, 2025 02:07 PM (8avO+

This is not your war, Don Black and Oldcat.

313 We are not at "war." We will never be at "war" with Iran. Relax, pant-pissers. Massie is a loser and a chump. Don't be like massie.
Posted by: Soothsayer

I thought we were at war with Iran since Nine-Teen Twitckey Nine?

314 I don't have TV so I am not familiar with Massie, only that he is a thing

who has the cliff notes
Posted by: Don Black. Message: release the Kraken at June 23, 2025 02:08 PM (AOsQT)

well you might look at bills he sponsored that passed.

315 Medvedev did pretty much admit in his post that the ultimate aim for Iran was nuclear weapons.

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He kinda did. As if it was a sekret!

316 Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 23, 2025 02:06 PM (ExV1e)

I mean, ok, should we go to war with Mexico? What they allow to come through our southern border I’d argue is as destructive, if not more, than what Iran does.

317
However, I do have one issue with PDT.

Can we call an end to the Steve Witkoff experiment?

It failed. This guy Witkoff hasn't accomplished a damn thing. Get someone else.

318 Mark Cuban Can’t Believe How Toxic Top X Alternative (Bluesky) Has Gotten

319 Massie is the only sane voice in congress on spending. God bless and protect him.

No war in Iran.
Posted by: ghost of kari

What specifically was Massie's plan for dealing with Iran. The same as the last 40+ years? Keep kicking the can down the road putting out fires and tolerate the killing? Allow them to fully arm nuclear warheads to annihilate Israel and others? Wiping Israel off the map and death to America are not just chants to them - that is their objectives stated plainly. Easy to criticize from the sidelines but what were his solutions?

320 318 Mark Cuban Can’t Believe How Toxic Top X Alternative (Bluesky) Has Gotten
Posted by: SMOD at June 23, 2025 02:12 PM (RHGPo)

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And that was when he found Gabe Malor's account.

321 This is almost comical; reports on X that Iran called Qatar in advance and told them when they were going to launch missiles, and how many, so that they could be easily defended against.

If this is true - and from the pathetically small size of the attack it probably is - the Iranians are looking for some way to stand down while having some way to tell their home audience that they "did something".

They're fools if they think that will work.

322 And Fenelon I said "good luck Horde" as in "good luck and have a good day"

With malice towards none except Hillary Clinton, with charity towards all except Ilhan Noor who should be sent back to Somalia in an Amazon box, I wish you all a great Monday. I also still watch Tucker Carlson.

Warm wishes,
GoK

323 Mark Cuban Can’t Believe How Toxic Top X Alternative (Bluesky) Has Gotten
Posted by: SMOD at June 23, 2025 02:12 PM (RHGPo)


Well, Cuban is a dipshit with a billion dollars, so.....

324
I saw the Big Red Baboon Butt of Political Purity open for The Monkees at the Sea World Safari Park in '68.

325 Does anyone actually think that Israel and the Mossad would not know that the Iranians had packed up their equipment and enriched uranium and moved it. That's a long process and then that they wouldn't let Trump in on that intelligence?

Really?

326 What part of bomb the crap out of the mullahs and their nuke program til they collapse and the new guys invite a clean up inspection is so hard to see?

I'm barely a sub-moron and it seems pretty obvious to me.

327 We just hit a 100 degrees with typical NJ humidity. A tad warm.

328 Mark Cuban Can’t Believe How Toxic Top X Alternative (Bluesky) Has Gotten
Posted by: SMOD


He's too young to remember Air America.

329 213 Kari is good people.
Posted by: ... at June 23, 2025 01:58 PM (E0p3T)

I agree, we can have disagreements and still like each other.

330 Late thread OT

Mamdani leads Cuomo in new poll. Mamdani finally surpasses Cuomo in the eighth round of the simulated ranked choice voting — 51.8% to 48.2%. This is the second poll showing Mamdani ahead of Cuomo, but the first showing him ultimately winning.

It is going to be 100 degrees in NYC tomorrow, so it may be up to who’s voters are more passionate as well as more able to suffer the heat.

there will be a lot of passion over his policies. Rent freezes, free child care, free transportation, cheaper groceries and $30 per hour minimum wage. A couple both working minimum wage jobs would have a household income of $125,000 per year and see their costs lower on child care, transportation,food and rent.

It won't happen. NYC, like all major blue cities, is going to be hit hard by Trump’s policies and budget. There won’t even be enough money to fund what currently exists in terms of transit levels, education, etc. Throw in a recession and the picture becomes pretty dire.

I hope people are realistic about what politicians promise.

Given the recent Cuomo endorsements by Clyburn and Clinton, I wonder if Cuomo's own polling isn't showing the same?

331 Medvedev did pretty much admit in his post that the ultimate aim for Iran was nuclear weapons.

"it can now be admitted..." or something close.
Posted by: SpeakingOf

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I don't understand this. The ONLY reason for Iran to want nuclear energy, let alone enrichment capability, is for nuclear weapons.

I said it a couple days ago - they were trying to argue that they wanted a gun only to shoot racing blanks. It was a bold lie that the Dems, IAEA, UN, etc. all played along with.

332 If we went to war with Mexico, do you have any idea how much an avocado would cost? Warmonger!!!

333 321 This is almost comical; reports on X that Iran called Qatar in advance and told them when they were going to launch missiles, and how many, so that they could be easily defended against.

If this is true - and from the pathetically small size of the attack it probably is - the Iranians are looking for some way to stand down while having some way to tell their home audience that they "did something".

They're fools if they think that will work.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 23, 2025 02:13 PM (uWKK

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If it's all true, and if the story of high level Iranian officials desperately wanting the Ayatollah's sign off on direct talks with the US (which they can't get because they can't get in contact with him), then it paints a picture of a very weak Iran who just wants the pain to stop.

I do think that Israel won't feel any need to let up on the nation that directly funded Hezbollah, Hamas, and 10/7.

334 Medvedev did pretty much admit in his post that the ultimate aim for Iran was nuclear weapons.

"it can now be admitted..." or something close.
Posted by: SpeakingOf at June 23, 2025 02:11 PM (6ydKt)

Russia was talking a deal with Iran to provide Civilian nuke plants safely (since somehow a oil rich nation has power issues) and run them for them.

I think he was referring to that when saying Russia wanted to fulfill those nuclear contracts and presumably don't bomb the Russian there.

Some may be conflating nuclear power with bombs.

335 The reason we have 40K troops in the ME spread out among arabs is Iran. They are not there to protect Israel....

336 is completely useless and should be replaced.

337 Posted by: ghost of kari at June 23, 2025 02:13 PM (aUesR)

Me tii

338 330 there will be a lot of passion over his policies. Rent freezes, free child care, free transportation, cheaper groceries and $30 per hour minimum wage. A couple both working minimum wage jobs would have a household income of $125,000 per year and see their costs lower on child care, transportation,food and rent.

It won't happen. NYC, like all major blue cities, is going to be hit hard by Trump’s policies and budget. There won’t even be enough money to fund what currently exists in terms of transit levels, education, etc. Throw in a recession and the picture becomes pretty dire.

I hope people are realistic about what politicians promise.

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at June 23, 2025 02:14 PM (JCZqz)

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Think these guys heard about Denver cutting a bunch of government employees in order to fund benefits to illegal aliens?

339 325 Does anyone actually think that Israel and the Mossad would not know that the Iranians had packed up their equipment and enriched uranium and moved it. That's a long process and then that they wouldn't let Trump in on that intelligence?

Really?
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at June 23, 2025 02:14 PM (17s+e)

I don't know that I'm ready to vest a lot in the ostensible infallibility of the IC, given its track record.

340
The replies are full of crazy whackjobs screaming that this is a Black Mirror, black tar heroin, false memory nightmare

OMG! The Tyrell Corporation exists!

341 334 Russia was talking a deal with Iran to provide Civilian nuke plants safely (since somehow a oil rich nation has power issues) and run them for them.

I think he was referring to that when saying Russia wanted to fulfill those nuclear contracts and presumably don't bomb the Russian there.

Some may be conflating nuclear power with bombs.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 23, 2025 02:14 PM (8avO+)

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Nope.

Medvedev said explicitly it was for nuclear weapons.

342 I don't understand this. The ONLY reason for Iran to want nuclear energy, let alone enrichment capability, is for nuclear weapons.

I said it a couple days ago - they were trying to argue that they wanted a gun only to shoot racing blanks. It was a bold lie that the Dems, IAEA, UN, etc. all played along with.
Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at June 23, 2025 02:14 PM (QQ0oH)

not so, their power infastructure apparenly sucks and having plants about the country would be a help. In the Russian deal the Russians would run the plants which would keep bombs from being made there.

343 Massie may be wrong on Iran, but his complaints about the Big Bodacious Boondoggle were valid; there are no cuts, only promises of future cuts. And the Green sludge fund is still in there.
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at June 23, 2025 01:58 PM (O9qN1)

How much of that would be because - by law - the BBB may not affect discretionary spending? So, like, they cannot use the mechanism they're using while cutting all the crap people like to bitch about. Explanations have been posted on why it's happening the way it's happening but better to shoot for the moon and fail, I guess.

344 Somehow the usual suspects miss that salient point, why we have CENTCOM in Qatar and a Navy Base in Bahrain.

345 However, I do have one issue with PDT.

Can we call an end to the Steve Witkoff experiment?

It failed. This guy Witkoff hasn't accomplished a damn thing. Get someone else.
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2025 02:12 PM (DCmYx)

You, along with many people, especially the Iranians, completely misunderstand what Witkoff's assignment was. In hindsight, it's rather obvious that his job was to keep the Iranians guard down while Trump and Bibi planned a one-two punch to completely destroyed the Iranian nuclear program. It was the greatest good cop / bad cop scheme ever pulled, and they did it in front of the world. The Iranians thought Trump would never attack in the middle of ongoing negotiations.

Witkoff has always been an op that Trump was pulling on the Iranians, nothing more.

346 Heard recently:

"Fighter Pilots Make Movies;
Bomber Pilots Make History."

347 there will be a lot of passion over his policies. Rent freezes, free child care, free transportation, cheaper groceries and $30 per hour minimum wage. A couple both working minimum wage jobs would have a household income of $125,000 per year and see their costs lower on child care, transportation,food and rent.


I can't even.......the stupid.....IT BURNS!!!

348
lol, $30/hr min wage

all the small businesses will just fire all their employees, or go out of business

lol @ "cheaper groceries"

349 Mamdani announced that he will open government run grocery stores in NYC if elected. I really want to see this happen.

Two ways this goes:

1) The stores lock down like every other business does in those areas and lose a lot of money they don't have to waste

2) The stores don't look down and get openly robbed day in and day out with their good being sold outside of vans right outside the store and they lose A LOT MORE MONEY

350 If you ever plan on truly flouncing, make it count. Like really count. Make people torn between deleting what you said so no one ever ever sees it, and talking about it forever because everyone secretly knows it's true. I mean if I was that type, of course.....

351 Russian are still sitting in Busher. Pretending to work on civilian nuke infrastructure.

352 there will be a lot of passion over his policies. Rent freezes, free child care, free transportation, cheaper groceries and $30 per hour minimum wage. A couple both working minimum wage jobs would have a household income of $125,000 per year and see their costs lower on child care, transportation,food and rent.



Pull my finger.

353
"Fighter Pilots Make Movies;
Bomber Pilots Make History."
Posted by: ShainS -- Busy Organizing 'Make Trump King' Protests at June 23, 2025 02:17 PM (OpF8B)


"Who gets the ladies?"

- - - - - - Fighter Pilots, Elbow Deep in Trim

354 348
lol, $30/hr min wage

all the small businesses will just fire all their employees, or go out of business

lol @ "cheaper groceries"
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2025 02:17 PM (DCmYx)

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There's a solution for that! Price controls!

355
Not even that fuckingidiot fraud Andrew Wangyang is pushing his idiotic UBI, anymore.

356 What part of bomb the crap out of the mullahs and their nuke program til they collapse and the new guys invite a clean up inspection is so hard to see?

I'm barely a sub-moron and it seems pretty obvious to me.
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Agreed. Its funny that we keep hearing "We're not looking for regime change" when in fact regime change is the only long term solution. The Islamaniacs in Iran can't have nukes, and will never on their own stop seeking them.

357 Witkoff has always been an op that Trump was pulling on the Iranians, nothing more.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 23, 2025 02:17 PM (uWKK

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Making Rope-A-Dope Great Again!

358 Does anyone actually think that Israel and the Mossad would not know that the Iranians had packed up their equipment and enriched uranium and moved it. That's a long process and then that they wouldn't let Trump in on that intelligence?

Really?
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at June 23, 2025 02:14 PM (17s+e)
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The infrastructure needed to further enrich the uranium no longer exists. Which makes the talking point stupid, even if true.

359 Speaking of Massie, I notice most of the GOP seems to think I want them out there saying conservative things instead of doing conservative things.

This is...not correct. I want a whole lot more of shutting up and then pleasantly surprising me like Trump with the whole DOGE thing

360
What sayeth Kintucker Qatarlson about all this?

361 $30/hr is insane.

362 Welcome to Wend'ys may I take your order peasant?

363 252 Piper! How long have you been hanging around the Royals ??
Posted by: runner at June 23, 2025 02

One does not discuss such things. 😂

Zara Tindall is an eventer, it’s not a huge circle, and upper level eventers are very cool about helping those at lower levels. I have had the opportunity to meet some flat incredible horse people over the years, it continues even now.

364 I thought we were at war with Iran since Nine-Teen Twitckey Nine?
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I'm curious about the last time the US declared war. 1941 maybe? Not sure if Iran actually issued a 'formal' declaration of war, but their actions of invading US sovereign territory (embassy) and holding diplomats hostage for over a year has got to be an act of war per some sort of official definition of war. The occassional blowing up by Iran of US soldiers that were not engaged in war with Iran probably also meets some definitions.

I'm of the opinion that, official or not, Iran has been at war with the US since 1979, and used whatever means they had to constantly poke at the US by killing US citizens, up to the point they could get away with it without provoking a retaliatory response from the US.

365 The robots will take to NYC's streets carrying their "Fight for $30" signs.

366 358 The infrastructure needed to further enrich the uranium no longer exists. Which makes the talking point stupid, even if true.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 23, 2025 02:19 PM (tT6L1)

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Assuming Fardow was actually destroyed.

Which is not a small assumption, by the way.

367 The Iranian electrical grid would probably be in better shape without all the money spent on weapons and terrorism.

368 Two years ago the conventional wisdom was that China was to be the new hegemon in the M. E., that Israel was moving toward BRICS, that KSA was moving toward China (its biggest customer) and that Iran was to control shipping because there was nothing the USA could do to suppress Iran.

369 359 Speaking of Massie, I notice most of the GOP seems to think I want them out there saying conservative things instead of doing conservative things.

This is...not correct. I want a whole lot more of shutting up and then pleasantly surprising me like Trump with the whole DOGE thing
Posted by: 18-1 at June 23, 2025 02:19 PM (t0Rmr)

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I'll take promising progressive things and delivering conservative things.

370 259 Massie may be wrong on Iran, but his complaints about the Big Bodacious Boondoggle were valid; there are no cuts, only promises of future cuts. And the Green sludge so fund is still in there.
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo
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Reconciliation is a very difficult and easily demagogued process. Simply put, you cannot make cuts in discretionary spending via reconciliation.

It is for taxes and mandatory government spending specifically excluding Social Security. Furthermore, there is the "Byrd rule" that allows the parliamentarian of the Senate to make rulings as to what can be included and what cannot be in the bill.

The information is out there and I suggest anyone interested in the convoluted process to read this CRS (Congressional Research brief) on the process. https://tinyurl.com/3wad9ncp
Link goes to Congress dot gov and CRS brief on it.

Discretionary spending cuts are coming via recission bills under the 1974 Budget Law permitting those to be submitted just like reconciliation on taxes/mandatory spending without a filibuster.

But, you have to have a valid budget framework in place (which the GOP House and Senate finally did in March) to do those.

371 348
lol, $30/hr min wage

all the small businesses will just fire all their employees, or go out of business

lol @ "cheaper groceries"
Posted by: Soothsayer

Well, normally they'd just hire illegals and pay them cash under the table at much cheaper rates....

372 Fighter Pilots, Elbow Deep in Trim"

"Big clocks, big ..." er, feet?

373 "Who gets the ladies?"

- - - - - - Fighter Pilots, Elbow Deep in Trim

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 23, 2025 02:18 PM (Zz0t1)

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* snort *

And also the pickup volleyball games with other bare-chested, lotioned-up men!

374
I guess A. H. Khamenei did not read Donald Trump's book (that magnificent bastard).

375 lol @ "cheaper groceries"

Posted by: Soothsayer
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Come on now.

Zero dollars for Zero groceries is pretty damn cheap.

376 The Iranian electrical grid would probably be in better shape without all the money spent on weapons and terrorism.

==

As far as I know, Iran looks like peak USSR circa 1975 !

377 I agree, we can have disagreements and still like each other.

Posted by: CaliGirl at June 23, 2025 02:14 PM (hs4ik)

Being against stupid-ass fake bullshit war is absolutely a legit Righty position, sorry. In fact it's the position of most on the Right, or was.

The only reason this *isn't* stupid ass fake bullshit right now is because Trump is at the top and this is probably our only chance to spare the world from much of Iran's widespread murderous jihad bullshit for a few generations.

378 The Iranian electrical grid would probably be in better shape without all the money spent on weapons and terrorism.

Running an alternate history type thing, absent the revolution in '79 I suspect that Iran would be the wealthiest, most advancede large Muslim country and pretty much what all other Muslims would point to as an example of how Islam could succeed. The Shiite thing might but on a damper on that though...

379 I think he was referring to that when saying Russia wanted to fulfill those nuclear contracts and presumably don't bomb the Russian there.

Some may be conflating nuclear power with bombs.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 23, 2025 02:14 PM

No he said specifically "nuclear warheads"

1. Critical infrastructure of the nuclear fuel cycle appears to have been unaffected or sustained only minor damage.

2. The enrichment of nuclear material — and, now we can say it outright, the future production of nuclear weapons — will continue.

3. A number of countries are ready to directly supply Iran with their own nuclear warheads.

4. Israel is under attack, explosions are rocking the country, and people are panicking.

5. The US is now entangled in a new conflict, with prospects of a ground operation looming on the horizon.

6. Iran’s political regime has survived — and in all likelihood, has come out even stronger.

7. The people are rallying around the country’s spiritual leadership, including those who were previously indifferent or opposed to it.

Entire post:
https://tinyurl.com/2n3r52z4
(Zerohedge)

380 Can we call an end to the Steve Witkoff experiment?

It failed. This guy Witkoff hasn't accomplished a damn thing. Get someone else.
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2025 02:12 PM (DCmYx)

Kellogg was pretty good at outing the European countries as traitors while we mended fences with Russia.

Haven't been following what the Mideast rep was doing, but having Syria and Iran collapsing is an interesting coincidence.

381 Assuming Fardow was actually destroyed.

Which is not a small assumption, by the way.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 23, 2025 02:20 PM (GBKbO)
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Well, I'm assuming President Trump knows what he's talking about when he says Fardow has been destroyed. Mainly because I've learned, over the years, President Trump tends to be right, a lot.

382
I'm curious about the last time the US declared war. 1941 maybe?

Yes

383 Uh oh.

OSINTdefender@sentdefender
Iran’s Supreme National Security Council claims in a statement, that the IRGC and Army “pulverized” the U.S. Al Udeid Air Base in Qatar in response this weekend’s strikes against nuclear sites in Iran. It further says the number of missiles matched the number of U.S. bombs used, and claims the strike avoided civilian areas, with the wording suggesting that this will be the only military action by Iran against the United States.

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They killed the entire US Army and will kill them again tomorrow!

384 not so, their power infastructure apparenly sucks and having plants about the country would be a help. In the Russian deal the Russians would run the plants which would keep bombs from being made there.
Posted by: Oldcat


They would be using different nuclear materials for reactors vs ultra refined materials for bombs.

385 >>Given that the airstrike against the Iranian general back in Trump's last term was probably the only time in my lifetime that I can think of a military action that the US has taken in the Middle East that was a complete and unconditional success, I find it a little odd that so many people are completely convinced he doesn't know how to play this.

A lotta people also seem to forget Trump lobbed a bunch of cruise missiles at Syria and that didn't cause a major land war either.

386 Iran kinda reminds me of the pretend rivalry between UT and Texas Tech (at least, many years ago) The tortilla people firmly believed they were rivals, but many Longhorns were like, huh?? We have too many rivals. Please take a back seat.

387 The muslim world jumped from 7th century into the 20th sometime around 1920s. They is a lot of stabilizing to do. You can take a man out of Mecca....

388 368 Two years ago the conventional wisdom was that China was to be the new hegemon in the M. E., that Israel was moving toward BRICS, that KSA was moving toward China (its biggest customer) and that Iran was to control shipping because there was nothing the USA could do to suppress Iran.

There was a lot of hair on fire that day, my friend.

389 oh.

OSINTdefender@sentdefender
Iran’s Supreme National Security Council claims in a statement, that the IRGC and Army “pulverized” the U.S. Al Udeid Air Base in Qatar in response this weekend’s strikes against nuclear sites in Iran. It further says the number of missiles matched the number of U.S. bombs used, and claims the strike avoided civilian areas, with the wording suggesting that this will be the only military action by Iran against the United States.


They pulled Baghdad Bob out of mothballs.

390 Assuming Fardow was actually destroyed.

Which is not a small assumption, by the way.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 23, 2025 02:20 PM (GBKbO)

Chief of the IAEA today said in Vienna that he believed the Fordow facility had been heavily damaged. Can't get in to inspect, because Israel staged a strike a few hours ago to make sure that all of the entrances were completely demolished. They've also been destroying the mountain roads and any bridges leading to the facility, to make sure that it will take months to even try to dig it up.

391 Assuming Fardow was actually destroyed.

Which is not a small assumption, by the way.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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I think Israel has fully penetrated all of Iran's society to the extent that they can corroborate or not our technical satellite/plane derived imagery whether Fordow and/or its equipment was in fact destroyed.

The same for the alleged removal of a bunch of equipment etc from Fordow, etc. before being bombed. Enriched uranium may or may not have been removed but we also have technical means to track such materials that is one of the blacker (tightly held secrets) areas of nat sec capabilities.

392 381 Well, I'm assuming President Trump knows what he's talking about when he says Fardow has been destroyed. Mainly because I've learned, over the years, President Trump tends to be right, a lot.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 23, 2025 02:22 PM (tT6L1)

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He could have bad info based on bad assumptions.

They used A LOT of bunker busters. It might have been enough to cause enough quakes hundreds of meters underground, under a mountain, to damage the centrifuges to the point of unusability.

But that's...an assumption. Unless Israel has some intelligence assets in Iran who can verify, which I'd never imagine them admitting to for at least a decade.

So, maybe. But I'm doubtful.

393 There's a solution for that! Price controls!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 23, 2025 02:18 PM

In the name of the general welfare, to protect the people's security, to achieve full equality and total stability, it is decreed for the duration of the city emergency that:

Point One. All workers, wage earners and employees of any kind whatsoever shall henceforth be attached to their jobs and shall not leave nor be dismissed nor change employment, under penalty of a term in jail. The penalty shall be determined by the Unification Board , such Board to be appointed by the Bureau of Economic Planning and National Resources. All persons reaching the age of twenty-one shall report to the Unification Board, which shall assign them to where, in its opinion, their services will best serve the interests of the city

Point Two. All industrial, commercial, manufacturing and business establishments of any nature whatsoever shall henceforth remain in operation, and the owners of such establishments shall not quit nor leave nor retire, nor close, sell or transfer their business, under penalty of the seizure of their establishment.

394 There's a solution for that! Price controls!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 23, 2025 02:18 PM (GBKbO)

Absolutely nothing could go wrong with his platform! The minimum wage, the govt run grocery stores, free day care, rent freezes, free transportation, homeless shelters in the subway. All sounds very blissful and realistic.

395 not so, their power infastructure apparenly sucks and having plants about the country would be a help. In the Russian deal the Russians would run the plants which would keep bombs from being made there.
Posted by: Oldcat a

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If someone offers to sell you the Brooklyn Bridge, I would be skeptical if I were you.

Why not gas or oil? They have that and cheap. They can not run a conventional facility but they think they will run a nuke? Why enrichment -- that is very expensive, specialized, and has large economy of scale -- Russia is their friend and has excess capability. This is all bull.

396 Pence praised Trump's Iran action.
Posted by: polynikes at June 23, 2025 01:51 PM (VofaG)

Shouldn’t that be a teeenie tiny bit concerning to everyone?

397 But that's...an assumption. Unless Israel has some intelligence assets in Iran who can verify, which I'd never imagine them admitting to for at least a decade.

So, maybe. But I'm doubtful.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 23, 2025 02:24 PM (GBKbO)
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Fair enough. I'll call myself "cautiously optimistic."

398 390 Chief of the IAEA today said in Vienna that he believed the Fordow facility had been heavily damaged. Can't get in to inspect, because Israel staged a strike a few hours ago to make sure that all of the entrances were completely demolished. They've also been destroying the mountain roads and any bridges leading to the facility, to make sure that it will take months to even try to dig it up.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 23, 2025 02:24 PM (uWKK

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So, Iran will end up finding out the state of Fardow in a few weeks at the earliest.

399 Iran’s Supreme National Security Council claims in a statement, that the IRGC and Army “pulverized” the U.S. Al Udeid Air Base in Qatar in response this weekend’s strikes against nuclear sites in Iran.

==

Hope Ayatollah is reading this momentous news ! This will make his so happy, he might want to call his top clerics and commanders to congratulate !

400
LOL!

Name one country who doesn't regard each and every nuke very precious and near and dear to their hearts.

No One would EVER part with a nuke, not even to their bestest friend.

401 With or without the crust? Cut diagonally? Toast the bread first?
Posted by: blake

Without crust and rolled in minced parsley.

402 You know what will be funny with the NYC stores? When they can't keep enough junk food on the shelves yet the fruits and veggies rot in the store.

403 >>Reconciliation is a very difficult and easily demagogued process. Simply put, you cannot make cuts in discretionary spending via reconciliation.

I've been saying this here for months. Apparently, some just refuse to accept that there are limitations to what can be done in reconciliation.

There is a second process that is happening simultaneously and it will go on for the rest of the fiscal year and it includes rescission and letting short term spending bills expire without being renewed along with other means.

404 Trump spox on CNN: “president does not want more engagement in the region”

Good. Hopefully it’s true.

405 I'm beginning to understand the comfort of being a fence jockey.

406 Two weeks.

407 Ayatollah, call home!

408 They've also been destroying the mountain roads and any bridges leading to the facility, to make sure that it will take months to even try to dig it up.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 23, 2025 02:24 PM (uWKK

Sounds like Biden's FEMA

409 Absolutely nothing could go wrong with his platform! The minimum wage, the govt run grocery stores, free day care, rent freezes, free transportation, homeless shelters in the subway. All sounds very blissful and realistic.
Posted by: Piper at June 23, 2025 02:25 PM (pZEOD)
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If I could vote for this guy in NY, I would. Just for the laughs.

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THE MORNING RANT: Local Tennessee News of National Importance – 6/23/2025

Much like the Powerline guys reporting on Minnesota stories that have national significance, I’d like to report on a few things going on here in Tennessee that have importance beyond the state.

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President Trump Fires Another Climate Cultist from TVA’s Board

Donald Trump has just fired another radical left-wing climate cultist from the Board of the Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA), the utility which provides electricity to seven states in the South. This is the 3rd radical ecovangelist appointed by Joe Biden that Trump has removed from TVA’s board.

“President Trump fires third TVA board member since March” [WATE Knoxville – 6/11/2025]

Beth Geer was appointed in 2023 by President Biden (or more likely by his handlers) and her tenure on the TVA board was supposed to go through 2026.

How radical is she? Very radical, as documented in this story from the Chattanooga newspaper a few days ago:

"I believe that carbon pollution is a public health emergency," Geer said. "When the health and safety of our communities, children and grandchildren are at stake, we must act ... and we must move quicker to address the climate crisis."

Geer, who chaired the board committee in charge of executive pay incentives, celebrated at a meeting in November a new payout incentive based on how quickly TVA expands renewable energy.

"We need to go further, faster on our renewable energy goals," Geer said in May 2024. "We hear you, we see you, we are working on it. I just want to say that out loud."

"One item that was very important to me as we develop goals this year was to ensure that we are, in fact, incentivizing management to increase carbon free resources."

Those of us who rely on the TVA for electricity dodged a bullet with Donald Trump’s election.

And by the way, the “true conservatives” at National Review and the rest of Conservative, Inc. got their way when Joe Biden was “elected” President in 2020. Biden then stuffed TVA’s board with radical anti-carbonists. In 2024, National Review and Conservative, Inc. again worked to defeat Donald Trump (to “save conservatism” and thereby elect Kamala Harris. She would have not only kept Biden’s TVA appointees, but added more “net zero” zealots to it.

Donald Trump flushing the climate communists out of the TVA is actual, real-life conservatism in action. Meanwhile, as I scan National Review and their Twitter feeds, I see that Dan and Charlie et al are having the vapors over Donald Trump’s handling of Tik Tok, which violates some sacred penumbra of “true conservatism,” yet they were perfectly willing to let Biden and Kamala inflict the left’s decarbonization agenda on residents of the Tennessee Valley. If that is “principled conservatism,” please give me Donald Trump’s unprincipled version instead.

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Parking Garage Fire in Nashville Causes Structural Damage

There is an emerging trend of parking garage fires that are so intense that they cause structural damage to the building itself. Just a month ago I wrote about the massive fire at a garage at Jacksonville’s airport. It was so intense that it caused a partial collapse of the structure. The vehicle that started the Jacksonville fire is was a BMW, but the ATF has still not confirmed if it was an EV / plug-in hybrid. I have my suspicions.

Just a few days ago, there was another massive fire at a public parking garage in Nashville. It too was so intense that it caused a partial collapse of the structure. In fact, the damage is so extensive that the adjacent downtown library has been closed for at least a month due to damage.

“Nashville Public Library to close for nearly a month after garage fire” [Tennessean – 6/16/2025]

The cause is still being determined, but the intensity of the fire gives a clue. Also, much of the fleet where the fire started belonged to a left-wing public agency committed to all the sustainable, green nonsense that is associated with promoting EVs.

The garage, owned by the Nashville Department of Transportation and operated by the Nashville Downtown Partnership, provided access to the Downtown library branch and the Renaissance Hotel on Commerce Street.

Fire crews responded to the garage at about 1:30 a.m. to find multiple upper floors of the structure in flames. Many of the Downtown Partnership's vehicles were parked on the top floor. A ramp between the fourth and fifth floors collapsed and several beams on the same floor were damaged, officials said.

I continue to follow both of these garage fires. I’ll let you know if/when it is confirmed that these were ignited by EVs.

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Radical, Left-Wing, Bureaucratic Waste at the University of Tennessee

An employee at the University of Tennessee at Knoxville, specifically a person with the job title “Content Strategy Manager for UT Knoxville’s Division of Student Life,” is publicly likening Donald Trump’s policies to the Holocaust, stating that, “the events happening in the US are identical to what happened in 1930s Germany.”

Deep-red Tennessee is using Tennessee tax dollars (and student tuition) to pay this woman’s salary so that she can have a platform to make those slanderous charges.

BREAKING: The content strategy manager for UT Knoxville's division of student life said Trump's immigration enforcement is "identical to what happened in 1930s Germany" and compared it to "the Holocaust." pic.twitter.com/l4g9E3QECe

— Corey A. DeAngelis, school choice evangelist (@DeAngelisCorey) June 11, 2025

Several elected officials have contacted the university’s President, Randy Boyd, advising him he’d better sit on that zoo faculty of his.

A better message to send to President Boyd would be for the legislature to cut the university’s budget while freezing tuition. So long as the payroll includes a Content Strategy Manager for the Division of Student Life who accuses the U.S. of being Nazi Germany, there is plenty of room for belt tightening at the University of Tennessee.

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My Latest Piece at The Blaze – “Philanthropaths”

My latest piece at The Blaze has been published, “Meet the ‘philanthropaths’ spending billions to kill the American dream.” It discusses the existential threat we face from sociopathic billionaires (“philanthropaths” who are using their fortunes as a weapon to tear down western civilization.

So yes, I’m more open to separating sociopathic billionaires from their wealth than I once was. I still believe in economic liberty. But liberty doesn’t mean allowing radicalized aristocrats to fund our destruction.

It’s behind a paywall, but if you’re a Blaze subscriber, I’d be honored if you’d give it a read.

My latest piece at The Blaze discusses the need to address the problem of billionaire "philanthropaths" who are using their fortunes (which are often inherited) to undermine the structures of western civilization.https://t.co/4VCluIXmLQ

— Buck Throckmorton (@BuckThrockmort) June 21, 2025

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