Israeli Professor: It Doesn't Matter If You Have Strict Social Distancing or None, Coronavirus Follows the Exact Same Pattern in All Countries

He says that imposing strict shutdowns like the US and no shutdown at all, as Sweden does, produces the exact same "curve."

None of this bullshit matters, his models say.

Professor Yitzhak Ben Israel of Tel Aviv University, who also serves on the research and development advisory board for Teva Pharmaceutical Industries, plotted the rates of new coronavirus infections of the U.S., U.K., Sweden, Italy, Israel, Switzerland, France, Germany, and Spain. The numbers told a shocking story: irrespective of whether the country quarantined like Israel, or went about business as usual like Sweden, coronavirus peaked and subsided in the exact same way. In the exact, same, way. His graphs show that all countries experienced seemingly identical coronavirus infection patterns, with the number of infected peaking in the sixth week and rapidly subsiding by the eighth week.

The Wuhan Virus follows its own pattern, he told Mako, an Israeli news agency. It is a fixed pattern that is not dependent on freedom or quarantine. "There is a decline in the number of infections even [in countries] without closures, and it is similar to the countries with closures," he wrote in his paper.

Meanwhile, a new paper shows that lockdowns do nothing to "flatten the curve" -- all they do is delay the exact same outbreak pattern until six months later.

Which makes demands that the world remain in lockdown until 2022 (!!!!) all the more insane.

New Science paper:

*Strongest* lockdown *not* best. A really successful lockdown means almost no one gets infected in 1st wave, so the 2nd wave becomes almost as bad as not doing anything.

1st wave destroys economy
2nd wave kills just like doing nothing, just half year later pic.twitter.com/wu9vBYcVYs
— Bjorn Lomborg (@BjornLomborg) April 14, 2020

Given that the most passionate enthusiasts for a semi-permanent shutdown just happen to be partisan liberal Democrats and insanely butthurt NeverTrumpers (now also Democrats), one begins to suspect that the public health might not be the primary reason for these demands.

It doesn't help when the leftwing media just flat-out admits that Democrats are loving the political opportunities afforded by the economic collapse they engineered.

They accidentally said the quiet part out loud. https://t.co/DkMs1MgltX
— Mollie (@MZHemingway) April 14, 2020

Oh, and, by the way:

The Trans Lobby wants you to remember that no matter how many old people are dying, the people most harmed by coronavirus are trans people who do not have coronavirus.

"In interviews with BuzzFeed News, trans students described the experience of being trapped in a pandemic with families who do not accept them — a whiplash change from a college campus where they are openly trans, most for the first time in their lives" https://t.co/CgWTS99JlX
— Ruby Cramer (@rubycramer) April 15, 2020

Yeah, people are being put into medical comas and getting tubes stuck down their throats for life support and have a 50/50 chance of dying thereafter, but you know who's really got it bad? A tranny calling ximself Unicorn Spacecraft Zeta who has to sit in awkward silence watching Home Improvement repeats with his dad.

Question: Is there any situation in which we are not demanded to spend all of our brain energy worrying about how it affects the only people who matter, the fucking Trans attention vampires?

Posted by: Ace at 02:30 PM

Comments

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1 Whoa

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at April 15, 2020 02:31 PM (Do5/p)

2 It's all for NOTHING?????

Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2020 02:31 PM (N9G0H)

3 jeepers, it's like we're still learning about this new virus

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 15, 2020 02:32 PM (d7Ww2)

4 We've been had people.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 15, 2020 02:32 PM (JUOKG)

5 Not surprised.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at April 15, 2020 02:32 PM (ieuPy)

6 It's only because you're not social-distancing hard enough, you wreckers.

Posted by: CDC/WHO/Et. Al. at April 15, 2020 02:33 PM (hYcqw)

7 Yeah, fucking wonderful. So we crashed the economy and destroyed the livelihoods of thousands... for nothing.

This is NOT going to sit well with people...

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at April 15, 2020 02:33 PM (Do5/p)

8 I think the "Lockdown to 2022" story is more a demoralization story than a real recommendation. It's not about what's happening in a year. It's about keeping us depressed now.

Posted by: ... at April 15, 2020 02:33 PM (FBu6l)

9 Yo!

Posted by: Yo! at April 15, 2020 02:33 PM (uZuKb)

10 Texas? No friggin way

Posted by: It's me donna at April 15, 2020 02:33 PM (5bxa0)

11 Serious question re" the Israeli study:

If lockdowns do nothing, THEN HOW IS THE VIRUS JUMPING FROM PERSON TO PERSON.

Is it just in the breath?

Are only marginal people on the fringes of society who aren't social distancing the ones who spread it, lockdown or no lockdown?

Or what?

Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2020 02:34 PM (N9G0H)

12 What a chump- I read the content.

Posted by: Charles the Simple at April 15, 2020 02:34 PM (HuH1F)

13 I've been wondering about this. If we're all living in a bubble, isn't this all going to start over once the lockdowns are lifted and people start interacting again?

Posted by: Jordan61 at April 15, 2020 02:34 PM (Ez6QX)

14 Wish i could social distance from the damn democrats.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at April 15, 2020 02:34 PM (+0AKE)

15 we need to all get GRADUALLY exposed

Posted by: vmom 2020 at April 15, 2020 02:34 PM (G546f)

16 I think I may go dance in the middle of the street.

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 15, 2020 02:34 PM (d7Ww2)

17 Ah, but this is a Jewish model so we don't believe it.

Posted by: The Democrats/MSM at April 15, 2020 02:34 PM (nBhUy)

18 Well, yes, but he's Jewish, so his opinion, and all

Posted by: tubal at April 15, 2020 02:35 PM (90T4r)

19 Trans are proof that Maslow's Triangle of needs is shit.

They are seeking expression and rejecting social acceptance.

And instead the Pro-Science progs are saying we should withhold social acceptance for the value of self-actualization and expression.

Pure shit.

Posted by: Axeman at April 15, 2020 02:35 PM (Eicbe)

20
Christ Almighty, all the "Safe Spaces" are closed for the leftist freaks.

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 15, 2020 02:35 PM (2ROZf)

21 My theory:

COVID-19 isn't as deadly as originally feared.

But it survives on surfaces much longer than previous common viruses.

In other words, persistent and durable, but not crazy infectious.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at April 15, 2020 02:35 PM (+oVP5)

22 Get in line put your pain above mine.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at April 15, 2020 02:35 PM (84Pcq)

23 shouldn't withhold, that is.

Posted by: Axeman at April 15, 2020 02:35 PM (Eicbe)

24 Does anyone know by what mechanism Nanzi will stop Trump from de-funding the WHO?

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at April 15, 2020 02:35 PM (7Fj9P)

25 I've been trying to explain to people in these SE AZ parts that quarantining healthy people is counterproductive in a pandemic. It extends the time before herd immunity can be developed. It destroys commerce and the economy. An economy doesn't just 'turn back on' after it is shut down, either.

I've had mixed success.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado-now with MOAR TP) at April 15, 2020 02:35 PM (N3El/)

26 The national stampeding was surprisingly easy.

Posted by: tubal at April 15, 2020 02:36 PM (90T4r)

27 This is vary unsciency science if it disagrees with the science we like!

Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2020 02:36 PM (e284m)

28
Sell your porn stocks now
Because by 2022 we will have seen then all and traffic will crater

Posted by: Yo! at April 15, 2020 02:36 PM (uZuKb)

29

Alternate post subtitle:

Meanwhile In China, Everything Is Fine

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 15, 2020 02:36 PM (2ROZf)

30 Sorry coronavirus fucked up your stack, LGBBQs.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at April 15, 2020 02:36 PM (KnJdm)

31 This does not surprise me.

And from other thread I may be from internet but yes my coworker died of covid. I am not fake (used to be paranoid girl in Seattle here)

Posted by: FromTheOldDays at April 15, 2020 02:36 PM (UNyae)

32
I read this too. And read the opposing view. That Sweden's mort rate was growing more.

I have no idea, but tend to believe the "patterns". I always look for patterns.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 15, 2020 02:36 PM (8fB/R)

33 26
The national stampeding was surprisingly easy.

Posted by: tubal at April 15, 2020 02:36 PM (90T4r)
We raised a couple generations whose battle cry is "baaahhhhh baaaahhhh!"

Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2020 02:36 PM (e284m)

34 When we return to bickering over the trivial, it is past time to end the lock-down.

Posted by: Joe Mama at April 15, 2020 02:36 PM (iQmdl)

35 He says that imposing strict shutdowns like the US and no shutdown at all, as Sweden does, produces the exact same "curve."

>>None of this bullshit matters, his models say.

And why, exactly, should we trust HIS models above the others?

The fact is, Sweden has higher corona death rates than their neighboring others. A LOT more. Now, there can be an argument that they will come out better in the long run, due to herd immunity, but that is yet unproven.

My model says that all models are full of shit, or conjecture, but mainly shit.

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 15, 2020 02:37 PM (Z4rgH)

36 Does anyone know by what mechanism Nanzi will stop Trump from de-funding the WHO?
=====

Probably the usual - child sacrifice

Posted by: bicentennialguy at April 15, 2020 02:37 PM (vg8iE)

37 Wish i could social distance from the damn democrats.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at April 15,

Ahem.

Posted by: National Divorce at April 15, 2020 02:37 PM (pUwNX)

38 a whiplash change from a college campus where they are openly trans, most for the first time in their lives

==

first time in their lives...coincidence ?

Posted by: runner at April 15, 2020 02:37 PM (zr5Kq)

39 The Dems think huge unemployment will help them flood Texas with even more illegals?

Holy shit. They've gone completely Order of Dagon crazy.

Posted by: trev006 at April 15, 2020 02:37 PM (WIraL)

40 It's not for nothing if you assume that we'll make substantial progress on vaccines and testing in the next 1/2 year. I think we will do so.

Posted by: pep at April 15, 2020 02:37 PM (T6t7i)

41 I always appreciate a good sideways opinion. But the "2nd wave" stuff ignores the reality that some type of mitigation/cure can be found or perfected in the meantime.

Posted by: ... at April 15, 2020 02:37 PM (FBu6l)

42 The models took into account full social distancing when they predicted 2.5 million dead.

And that phrase they kept tossing around, "flatten the curve" is not about reducing total infections and deaths overall, it's about doing the social distancing and other measures in order to spread the case load over a longer period of time so as not to overwhelm the system.

Per the models, we should of still had 2.5 million deaths but over an 8 month period instead of 4 month period.

And now they are having to resort to "new science" bending reality to fit their models.

And when they can't do that they start attacking critics as being anti-science and wanting people to die.

This is all a sick joke.

Posted by: Matt Hoffman at April 15, 2020 02:37 PM (V+U0x)

43 Off sock.

Posted by: Laughing in Texas at April 15, 2020 02:37 PM (nBhUy)

44
How will judge in Hawaii stop the defunding of WHO ?

Posted by: Yo! at April 15, 2020 02:37 PM (uZuKb)

45 remember the goal is to keep the hospitals from be___ overwhelmed

we need to let some ppl get infected now, in trickles
just ffs no one in any way connected to a nursing ho.e

Posted by: vmom 2020 at April 15, 2020 02:37 PM (G546f)

46 I mean Sweden did not social distance so they should have hundreds of thousands dead right

Posted by: FromTheOldDays at April 15, 2020 02:37 PM (UNyae)

47 Horde mind pep

Posted by: ... at April 15, 2020 02:37 PM (FBu6l)

48 28

Sell your porn stocks now

Because by 2022 we will have seen then all and traffic will crater

Posted by: Yo! at April 15, 2020 02:36 PM (uZuKb)
There's always new porn.
uh, a, uh, friend of mine told me that.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2020 02:37 PM (e284m)

49 Medium had an article on a similar topic on April 12th:

We again find no meaningful correlation between speed of State wide shutdown versus projected total deaths. How can this be? Well, there may be much more important factors influencing the spread of the virus, including:
- Voluntary behavioral change of residents such as washing hands, staying away from large groups, not touching one's face, etc.
- Municipal level shut downs such as what happened in Texas. It may not make sense to treat a Dallas the same as a 200 person town.
- More measured closures such as restaurants but not all businesses
- Natural slow of viral spread, perhaps related to weather
Different health profiles of State residents

In other words, there is no correlation whatsoever that areas that locked down earlier are doing any better and the number of confounding variables is YUGE. But it doesn't seem to change that, according to this study, shutdowns appear to have no correlation with reduced infection or death rates - whether across the board or only for high-population states.

https://tinyurl.com/uy3jg3m

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 15, 2020 02:37 PM (hYcqw)

50 Does anyone know by what mechanism Nanzi will stop Trump from de-funding the WHO?
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at April 15, 2020 02:35 PM (7Fj9P)
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Congress has the power of the purse. If she can get the Senate to agree to WHO funding, Trump will veto it.

Wait.

So they'll need 2/3rd of the Senate. Failing that, they will whine about how the Republican Senate has killed everybody by not agreeing with them.

Posted by: Axeman at April 15, 2020 02:37 PM (Eicbe)

51 people were begging for cleansing fire. it arrived in a form of a plague.

Posted by: runner at April 15, 2020 02:38 PM (zr5Kq)

52 Trump should replace fuckwit Fauci with the Israeli professor.

His idea that *maybe* the virus has its own life span and begins to die after eight weeks is really interesting.

So we're killing our entire economy because Hillary-loving Fauci and Birx say so is nuts.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 15, 2020 02:38 PM (ptqGC)

53 If you think people are pissed now, imagine doing this all again in 6 months, which is right before the election.

Posted by: Fortcoins at April 15, 2020 02:38 PM (JbL9Q)

54 13

I've been wondering about this. If we're all living in a bubble, isn't this all going to start over once the lockdowns are lifted and people start interacting again?

Posted by: Jordan61 at April 15, 2020 02:34 PM

Bingo.

No herd immunity means lots more people will be infected once we all go back to our normal lives again.

That said, it's no different than flu season. We have vaccinations and people still get sick and die.

Only difference is we don't compound that with also killing tens of millions of people's livelihoods and crashing the damn economy.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at April 15, 2020 02:38 PM (Do5/p)

55 8 I think the "Lockdown to 2022" story is more a demoralization story than a real recommendation. It's not about what's happening in a year. It's about keeping us depressed now.
Posted by: ... at April 15, 2020 02:33 PM (FBu6l)

No the assholes pushing it believe it. Remember these are university researchers, lifelong bureaucrats and those like them. Many probably card carrying socialists and big government lovers that believe it should control everything. They think there is nothing wrong with putting a halt to all that silly capitalist economic work that they have spent their lives avoiding. The important work Government funded research grants Are still going on after all.

Posted by: Buzzion at April 15, 2020 02:38 PM (Sg/64)

56 Wait a minute! There are porn stocks?

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at April 15, 2020 02:38 PM (+0AKE)

57 This bug will continue until most of us have been exposed. That's how they work.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 15, 2020 02:39 PM (ZOAr/)

58 Damn, I almost forgot trannies existed.

Almost.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 15, 2020 02:39 PM (hku12)

59
Again, the curve is not about preventing or reducing the disease/infected. It's about reducing overflow in hospitals.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 15, 2020 02:39 PM (pS94+)

60 Jim Messina remains a creepy looking human. I'm not saying I have proof of child molestation but I wouldn't be surprised.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 15, 2020 02:39 PM (gd9RK)

61 Good news. Tank Abrams is back, letting Biden know she's well-fed, rested and ready to be his running mate.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 15, 2020 02:39 PM (ptqGC)

62 How will judge in Hawaii stop the defunding of WHO ?

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at April 15, 2020 02:35 PM (7Fj9P)
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Same as usual. With BULLSHIT!

Posted by: Hawaiian Judge #3 at April 15, 2020 02:39 PM (Eicbe)

63 I do think there's gonna be a significant "second wave" this summer as COVID-19 starts making it's way through nursing homes.

Possible third, but smaller wave come autumn, if we're all back to mass public events like sold out football games, indoor arenas, etc., but I think that depends less on government action, and more on public willingness to attend such events.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at April 15, 2020 02:39 PM (+oVP5)

64 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 15, 2020 02:39 PM (Zz0t1)

65 29 Alternate post subtitle:

Meanwhile In China, Everything Is Fine
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 15, 2020 02:36 PM (2ROZf)

Fine... Stein.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 15, 2020 02:39 PM (pS94+)

66 57 This bug will continue until most of us have been exposed. That's how they work.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 15, 2020 02:39 PM (ZOAr/)

Oh, but this is different. Somehow.

Posted by: tubal at April 15, 2020 02:39 PM (90T4r)

67 I have no idea, but tend to believe the "patterns". I always look for patterns.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 15, 2020 02:36 PM (8fB/R)

You can watch any three spins on the roulette wheel, and find 'a pattern'. That doesn't mean that you should bet the house on the next spin.

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 15, 2020 02:39 PM (Z4rgH)

68 14 Wish i could social distance from the damn democrats.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at April 15, 2020 02:34 PM (+0AKE)

I suspect that works both ways. Most of them would like to have us 6 feet away also - straight down.

Posted by: moon_over_vermont at April 15, 2020 02:40 PM (GhGb5)

69 Here's some advise for Bjorn:

https://youtu.be/L3tnH4FGbd0

Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 15, 2020 02:40 PM (Zz0t1)

70 Trannies were trying to flatten the curve before it was cool.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at April 15, 2020 02:40 PM (+0AKE)

71 So again, if it is worth sentencing the entire f*cking western world to house arrest why haven't we setup a *permanent* embargo of China yet?

They keep making new flu strains and corona viruses....and if it saves even one life right?

Posted by: 18-1 at April 15, 2020 02:40 PM (WdocV)

72 56 Wait a minute! There are porn stocks?
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at April 15, 2020 02:38 PM (+0AKE)

Bump stocks...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 15, 2020 02:40 PM (pS94+)

73 And a disclaimer at the bottom of the opinion which explicitly states this is not a political or revisionist decision.

Posted by: Hawaiian Judge #3 at April 15, 2020 02:40 PM (Eicbe)

74 Not to mention other things we will again catch from others once we go back to being with each other.

Posted by: FromTheOldDays at April 15, 2020 02:40 PM (UNyae)

75 59
Again, the curve is not about preventing or reducing the disease/infected. It's about reducing overflow in hospitals.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 15, 2020 02:39 PM (pS94+)

Funny how that got lost in the word salads, innit?

Posted by: tubal at April 15, 2020 02:40 PM (90T4r)

76 So are we going to go through this again in SIX months?

Posted by: Joe Fierro at April 15, 2020 02:40 PM (CqE5x)

77 and crashing the damn economy.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at April 15, 2020 02:38 PM (Do5/p)
If we save just one life! Just one! It will be worth it!
Not the babies in the abortion clinics though. Abortion revenue is down and we need to get them working again ASAP.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2020 02:40 PM (e284m)

78 Comparison with other viruses
For comparison, the case fatality rate with seasonal flu in the United States is less than 0.1% (1 death per every 1,000 cases).

Mortality rate for SARS was 10%, and for MERS 34%.

Virus Death Rate
Wuhan Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) 2%*
SARS 9.6%
MERS 34%
Swine Flu 0.02%

how many people did Obama kill?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 15, 2020 02:41 PM (8fB/R)

79 Meh, another model. If in fact social distancing can kick the peak down the road six months, that's a good thing. Because in six months, we have testing in place, and possibly proven therapies, which we did not have a month ago.

Posted by: hawkpilot at April 15, 2020 02:41 PM (luWin)

80 Jim Messina remains a creepy looking human. I'm not saying I have proof of child molestation but I wouldn't be surprised.
====

Given who his employers were/are, I'm sure it was a resume enhancer.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at April 15, 2020 02:41 PM (vg8iE)

81 Gosh, it's almost as if trangender people are mentally unstable and cannot function outside of very controlled safe spaces.

And speaking of transgenders: funny how the MSM always forgets that the drugs given to transkids to suppress their hormones are being prescribed off label - the same circumstances in which doctors are legally prescribing HSQ for Wu-flu?

Posted by: Lizzy at April 15, 2020 02:41 PM (bDqIh)

82 Read
http://market-ticker.org/
regularly.

Posted by: DaveA at April 15, 2020 02:41 PM (FhXTo)

83 So, where is yesterday's troll saying Republicans want the lockdown to go on for months?

Yeah, that's what I thought...

Posted by: Curly Shuffle at April 15, 2020 02:42 PM (ch6++)

84 Coronavirus was sold as more dangerous then any recent disease as perhaps even worse then the Spanish Flu.

Well so far it is running at less then 50% of a NORMAL FLU year.

Yes losing 12K people to a new flu is terrible. But we lose that many people to the old flu every year.

Posted by: 18-1 at April 15, 2020 02:42 PM (WdocV)

85 We have to end this social distancing though. How can we have Kids Tranny Story Hour at the local library if the kids can't get up close to the tranny?

Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2020 02:42 PM (e284m)

86 I'm not a doctor or have an infectious disease degree or even stayed at a Holiday Inn but I've been saying the same thing from day one of the lockdown declarations.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at April 15, 2020 02:42 PM (FKi9J)

87 Anyone voting for Democrats after their actions in the past 3 years should be ashamed, jailed and hung for their rampant stupidity.

Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 15, 2020 02:42 PM (Zz0t1)

88 This is why I go out as much as possible. This is why I do not wear a mask. I'm speaking as an immune-compromised person. Ask anyone in my family. I have said this was BS from the start.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 15, 2020 02:42 PM (lwiT4)

89 48
28

Sell your porn stocks now

Because by 2022 we will have seen then all and traffic will crater

Posted by: Yo! at April 15, 2020 02:36 PM (uZuKb)
There's always new porn.
uh, a, uh, friend of mine told me that.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2020 02:37 PM (e284m)

AOC will need to keep up that $150k/year income somehow.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at April 15, 2020 02:42 PM (N39Ws)

90 I wish there was somebody to start up a centralized "sign-up-to-recall-these guys" website, for those people who live where there is a right to recall. It would do more good than waiting for the next national election, since it would require lots of retail-level voter fraud. Plus, it would shake up the right people right now.

Posted by: artemis at April 15, 2020 02:42 PM (AwPyG)

91
Whoa, PGIS Sign....
*goofy Forrest wave*

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 15, 2020 02:42 PM (EGyGV)

92 I'll take the word of an Israeli professor over my state's dumbass commie governor anytime

goddammit we're people- people get sick and die-it's what we're here for

I'm going to find the most godforsaken 1000 miles from nowhere piece of land and park a house trailer on it and live THERE

this is nuts what we're being forced to endure

Posted by: DB- just DB. at April 15, 2020 02:43 PM (iTXRQ)

93 POTUS needs to market some MAGA masks.

MakingAmerica
Germ-free
Again

Posted by: just want a small share of the profits at April 15, 2020 02:43 PM (yk557)

94 The experts told us that we needed to flatten the curve....it was bullsh*t.

Now the experts tell us it doesn't matter....but suddenly it's not bullsh*t?

Yeah, right.

Posted by: latemarch at April 15, 2020 02:43 PM (H4pHX)

95
Anyone remember BJORK?

or remember Bjorn Borg the tennis fag?

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 15, 2020 02:43 PM (2ROZf)

96 It's really quite astonishing that Trump now has a tangible example to demonstrate what Socialism does to an economy, and how quickly shit can go pear-shaped even in the best of times.

The DNCmedia has used our prosperity against us for a quarter century. Now shit has suddenly gotten real and the electorate has *context*.

You think Trump's not going to toilet paper lines as the ultimate "teachable moment" on the biggest stage in the world (election season) with the most Americans possible paying attention this fall? LOL

Posted by: ... at April 15, 2020 02:43 PM (FBu6l)

97 Not sure the Israeli guy had a great insight. The Kung Flu will grow at the same rate in various countries in the >group of people exposed to it

So, if we keep some people locked away, they are not exposed -- until they are exposed -- in the second, third, ... wave.

This was the argument to overwhelming the hospitals all at once by the first wave.

Still say there should have been no lockdown.

Posted by: FloridaMan -- still think this is overreaction at April 15, 2020 02:43 PM (8W8YU)

98 It's model vs model

Posted by: Amontillado at April 15, 2020 02:43 PM (aKsyK)

99 Plague, huh?? If you want to study a real plague, read " The Great Mortality" by John Kelly. It could put this virus in a proper perspectve.

Posted by: tubal at April 15, 2020 02:43 PM (90T4r)

100 All government workers love the extra weeks of paid vacation ... that much closer to their early golden retirement. Some may be putting in extra hours, but no doubt are being paid double time for their efforts.

The only reason they should care if private sector loses jobs is they may not have as many servants to cater to them in retirement, fewer services available, a broke/broken country. But they don't think that far ahead. As long as they can just raise taxes to pay for their early retirements and second homes ... it's all golden for these "self sacrificing public servants" (spit)

Posted by: illiniwek at April 15, 2020 02:44 PM (Cus5s)

101 This, first curve was indeed about reducing peak demand to keep it within existing/surge medical capacity. Which either worked, or was not needed (unknowable, at this point, possibly ever, as is the nature of such things).

Note the study Lomborg discusses does have what appears to be an optimal strategy, that is most likely to reduce total cases and deaths over the long term. Not sure it defines the "mitigation" strategies in detail to achieve this.

One obvious option, to epidemiologists, is to exploit "seasonal forcing" - the typical seasonal variation in case-load seen with the change of seasons, for many viruses.

Problem here is, of course - we have no way of knowing whether this bug will follow that classic pattern. If we assume it does, then best to go to minimal mitigation staring soon, through October (northern hemisphere).

Posted by: rhomboid at April 15, 2020 02:44 PM (El6T/)

102 2 It's all for NOTHING?????
Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2020 02:31 PM (N9G0H)

--------

Did you not already know this or were you being sarcastic? Because I've been annoying everyone I know telling them this from day one.

Posted by: Seems Legit at April 15, 2020 02:44 PM (jUVms)

103 Makes my point in not believing this 6 foot rule, germs are not flying through the air Willy nilly

Posted by: Skip at April 15, 2020 02:44 PM (ZCEU2)

104 >>the fucking Trans attention vampires?

I'm convinced that trans is just a physically painless way of sending the same message as a half hearted suicide attempt is.

"PAY ATTENTION TO ME!!!!!"

Posted by: Defenestratus at April 15, 2020 02:44 PM (9V81o)

105 Again, the curve is not about preventing or reducing the disease/infected. It's about reducing overflow in hospitals.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 15, 2020 02:39 PM (pS94+)

So, delaying it by 6 months helps, how?

If you lock everyone down to prevent hospital overrun, and there never was one and hospitals are now laying people OFF because there's NO WORK......

Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 15, 2020 02:44 PM (Zz0t1)

106 Upside of the lockdown:

Where I live in CA, people are expected to wear masks in public. Not by law, but "recommended," especially when around other people.

About half the population wears masks, the other half don't.

Yesterday I took a walk in an isolated area -- brought a mask with me, but kept it dangling around my neck when there was no one around, and only pulled it up when other people hove into sight.

So after a while this figure in the distance appeared, so I pulled up the mask just to be polite. The person came closer and OMG IT WAS THIS HORRIBLE WOMAN WHO BASICALLY STALKS ME. We very sorta kinda knew each other in Junior High, and I didn't even like her back then (she has some kind of creepy personality disorder), but ever since, whenever we accidentally pass each other on the street, she runs over and hugs me and YOU'RE MY BEST FRIEND and WE MUST HANG OUT TOGETHER MORE and all sorts of desperado loneliness tactics. Difficult to extricate oneself from her.

But this time, she walked right past me, waved, and kept going -- because she didn't recognize me, due to the mask!

Yay! I might like this whole mask thing after all! Keeps me anonymous from people I want to avoid.

Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2020 02:44 PM (N9G0H)

107
or remember Bjorn Borg the tennis fag?

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 15, 2020 02:43 PM (2ROZf)
Or the Borg - you know what happens when a virus gets loose in the Collective!!!!!!

Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2020 02:44 PM (e284m)

108 Again, the curve is not about preventing or reducing the disease/infected. It's about reducing overflow in hospitals.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 15, 2020 02:39 PM (pS94+)

Well, they've managed to reduce it to about zero. Nurses are layed off and hospital wings are closing.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 15, 2020 02:44 PM (lwiT4)

109 2 It's all for NOTHING?????

zombie I said that Day One

I screamed it, actually

it's a corona virus and it's EVERYWHERE

none of this has done anything but postpone

Posted by: THE_BlackOrchid_STATE! at April 15, 2020 02:44 PM (j9HX3)

110 Hey...Swerve the curve assholes!!

Posted by: dananjcon at April 15, 2020 02:44 PM (u6xw0)

111 How will judge in Hawaii stop the defunding of WHO ?
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By citing international law.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at April 15, 2020 02:44 PM (7Fj9P)

112 It's model vs model
Posted by: Amontillado at April 15, 2020 02:43 PM (aKsyK)

Model vs. Modelo.

Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 15, 2020 02:44 PM (Zz0t1)

113 people were begging for cleansing fire. It arrived in a form of a plague.

I was hoping for a bacteria that eats Democrats and shits gold.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 15, 2020 02:44 PM (9mbND)

114 My model is that all models are only theories until scientifically proven as fact, by history.

The value of a moment will never be known until it's a memory.

Posted by: MrObvious at April 15, 2020 02:45 PM (5prN7)

115 It's model vs model

Posted by: Amontillado at April 15, 2020 02:43 PM (aKsyK)

I'll take Heidi...

Posted by: SturmToddler at April 15, 2020 02:45 PM (8D42x)

116
MOFO - Make Overlords Fuck Off

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 15, 2020 02:45 PM (pS94+)

117 108 Again, the curve is not about preventing or reducing the disease/infected. It's about reducing overflow in hospitals.

oh gosh JJ that was always a lie

Posted by: THE_BlackOrchid_STATE! at April 15, 2020 02:45 PM (j9HX3)

118 Models are never right.

Our experience with the idiotic climate models should be the big give away.

Posted by: Seems Legit at April 15, 2020 02:45 PM (jUVms)

119

What a stupid phrase in reference to drugs: Medications she needs for her gender affirmation.When she opens the bottle do the pills all chorus in unison, We accept you as ______ (whichever gender xi thinks xi's transitioning to) Nora, and we think you're a swell person. Just swell.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 15, 2020 02:45 PM (WI7YS)

120 Posted by: sniffybigtoe at April 15, 2020 02:40 PM (+0AKE)

LOL

Posted by: ... at April 15, 2020 02:45 PM (FBu6l)

121
Stand back

I so bored I answer land line now with no caller ID

Posted by: Yo! at April 15, 2020 02:45 PM (uZuKb)

122 So, where can the COVID-19 related porn videos be found? Asking for a friend...

Posted by: Fortcoins at April 15, 2020 02:45 PM (JbL9Q)

123 It's model vs model

Cindy Crawford vs Naomi Campbell.

I'll watch.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 15, 2020 02:45 PM (gd9RK)

124 "Given that the most passionate enthusiasts for a semi-permanent shutdown just happen to be partisan liberal Democrats and insanely butthurt NeverTrumpers (now also Democrats), one begins to suspect that the public health might not be the primary reason for these demands."

And THAT right there is the key to my opinion on the Controlavirus response.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at April 15, 2020 02:45 PM (SAK2A)

125 As much as I want to believe this study, it's mostly conjecture because we simply do not have the data to model whole countries. We have nowhere near enough test data from random populations and nobody has gone back into stored samples from the fall of 2019 to test for coronovirus.

So we should look at this as very interesting but preliminary.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 15, 2020 02:46 PM (dLLD6)

126 In a way it matters not, there will be a new corona virus from china in the next year or two and we can't shut everything down again. Its just not feasible to make the whole world Venezuela.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 15, 2020 02:46 PM (r+sAi)

127 Look, I HATE this lockdown and I HATE my governor (Northam), but life is not going to be the same for me regardless.

I know two people who died from WuFlu. Not friends, but acquaintances. Both male, ages 68 and 72. Don't know if they had other health issues, but they survived many flu seasons. This virus killed them. It's not the Black Death, but it's not "nothing" either.

I'm 65, healthy and active. I exercise and get outdoors every day. But I'm not ashamed to admit this virus scares me. It's fucking spooky, with the 5-7 day incubation with no symptoms, and the weird range of effects from mild to lethal. I do NOT want to get this shit. I'm in Henrico County VA, which currently has the highest per capita caseload in the state right now, and frankly I wish I were somewhere else.

Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at April 15, 2020 02:46 PM (dB+c3)

128 117 108 Again, the curve is not about preventing or reducing the disease/infected. It's about reducing overflow in hospitals.

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So what? the overflow has only happened in about 2 places. Stop the economy to prevent overflow? STUPID. We can do other things.

Posted by: Seems Legit at April 15, 2020 02:46 PM (jUVms)

129 You can watch any three spins on the roulette wheel, and find 'a pattern'. That doesn't mean that you should bet the house on the next spin.
Posted by: GnuBreed at April 15, 2020 02:39 PM (Z4rgH)

that wouldn't be a pattern

patterns over time, not small anecdotes

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 15, 2020 02:46 PM (8fB/R)

130 117 108 Again, the curve is not about preventing or reducing the disease/infected. It's about reducing overflow in hospitals.

oh gosh JJ that was always a lie
Posted by: THE_BlackOrchid_STATE! at April 15, 2020 02:45 PM (j9HX3)

No, because it was based on the models/projections. THOSE were the lies. And so this whole thing is now unnecessary.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 15, 2020 02:46 PM (pS94+)

131 I am skeptical of good news and bad news alike with this virus. I still do not think any of the "professionals" really have a handle on it.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at April 15, 2020 02:46 PM (JRaU+)

132 102 2 It's all for NOTHING?????
Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2020 02:31 PM (N9G0H)

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Did you not already know this or were you being sarcastic? Because I've been annoying everyone I know telling them this from day one.
Posted by: Seems Legi

Sarcastic.

Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2020 02:46 PM (N9G0H)

133 Corona Virus CCP follows the exact same pattern;
however, the per capita numbers of people infected is influenced by mediation.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 15, 2020 02:46 PM (7Pobc)

134 Yay! I might like this whole mask thing after all! Keeps me anonymous from people I want to avoid.

Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2020 02:44 PM (N9G0H)

might have made the san fran gay pride pics easier to take..

Posted by: SturmToddler at April 15, 2020 02:46 PM (8D42x)

135 Those guys are on the ball at Politico. Like my friends at CNN, they have their finger on the pulse of the Nation.

Posted by: Erik Errorkson at April 15, 2020 02:47 PM (Tnijr)

136
How does this curve compare to the earlier chinese virus (sars) curve?

Incidentally, Rush said millions of us had the chinese sars and didn't even know it. That's gonna be true for this, yes?

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 15, 2020 02:47 PM (2ROZf)

137 "The Trans Lobby wants you to remember that no matter how many old people are dying, the people most harmed by coronavirus are trans people who do not have coronavirus."

It's little things like this that make this blog one I can't stay away from.

Posted by: MaDuece at April 15, 2020 02:47 PM (0dmP2)

138 118
Models are never right.

Our experience with the idiotic climate models should be the big give away.

Posted by: Seems Legit at April 15, 2020 02:45 PM (jUVms)
That's not true! I used to have an awesome model of the USS Constitution!

Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2020 02:47 PM (e284m)

139 Trannies were trying to flatten the curve before it was cool.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at April 15, 2020 02:40 PM (+0AKE)

Egad, I was trying to eat lunch.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 15, 2020 02:47 PM (hku12)

140 92 I'll take the word of an Israeli professor over my state's dumbass commie governor anytime

goddammit we're people- people get sick and die-it's what we're here for

I'm going to find the most godforsaken 1000 miles from nowhere piece of land and park a house trailer on it and live THERE

this is nuts what we're being forced to endure
Posted by: DB- just DB. at April 15, 2020 02:43 PM (iTXRQ)

I still think one of us needs to win the lottery and establish Hordetopia.

Posted by: Jordan61 at April 15, 2020 02:47 PM (Ez6QX)

141 Wuhan Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) 2%*

***

Of course that number is almost certainly lower. We haven't reliably tested enough to know.

If we were really data driven we'd pick a county, try to give everyone there a reliable test, count the number of deaths in the locality and have a decent number....

But basically as of now its 2% of the people that have severe symptoms die, either from Wuhan flu or whatever else they are dealing with (as there is no consistency in how that is being reported). And we have strong evidence that at least something like 90% of people who get it have only minor symptoms

Posted by: 18-1 at April 15, 2020 02:47 PM (WdocV)

142 It's SCIENCE! No. It's TYRANNY.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 15, 2020 02:47 PM (lwiT4)

143 It's the fvcking flu, wash your hands cover you mouth and live your life!

Posted by: Cheribebe at April 15, 2020 02:47 PM (pGrg3)

144 I'm 65, healthy and active. I exercise and get outdoors every day. But I'm not ashamed to admit this virus scares me. It's fucking spooky, with the 5-7 day incubation with no symptoms, and the weird range of effects from mild to lethal. I do NOT want to get this shit. I'm in Henrico County VA, which currently has the highest per capita caseload in the state right now, and frankly I wish I were somewhere else.
Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at April 15, 2020 02:46 PM (dB+c3)

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Well, you stay the fuck in and let the rest of us live our lives.

Posted by: Seems Legit at April 15, 2020 02:47 PM (jUVms)

145 84 Coronavirus was sold as more dangerous then any recent disease as perhaps even worse then the Spanish Flu.>>>>>>>

They knew from the beginning that the Corona mainly effects the elderly , those with deficient immunity systems and those with significant underlying conditions. The Spanish Flu was horrific because it struck the young and healthy most. Hell the H1N1 basically left the over 65 alone while killing mostly kids and those under '29'.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at April 15, 2020 02:47 PM (FKi9J)

146 I guess I will decloak now that I remember who I used to be here. I have no idea how I could have forgotten my nic.

I fear what states like mine will define as the new normal once this is all done

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at April 15, 2020 02:47 PM (UNyae)

147 The second wave in six months? Just in time for the election...

Posted by: sillyme at April 15, 2020 02:48 PM (DOe5i)

148 "We have to end this social distancing though. How can we have Kids Tranny Story Hour at the local library if the kids can't get up close to the tranny?"
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OMG I hadn't thought about that! MUH BLESSINGS OF LIBERTY!

Posted by: David French at April 15, 2020 02:48 PM (kt2AE)

149 I was looking at photos of Michigan. Seems like there are a lot of people with signs saying "Recall Gretchen Whittmer".

I thought about it for a while--then I did!

Posted by: Joe Sundown at April 15, 2020 02:48 PM (Eicbe)

150
Sarcastic.
Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2020 02:46 PM (N9G0H)

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Oh, thank God, I consider your commentary pretty spot on.

Posted by: Seems Legit at April 15, 2020 02:48 PM (jUVms)

151
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle

Oh, hi, you.

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 15, 2020 02:48 PM (2ROZf)

152 Wuhan Novel Coronavirus.

This thing has a book out now?

Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2020 02:48 PM (e284m)

153 hawkpilot with a key point.

Any mitigation measures are not the only wheel turning.

Meanwhile, most importantly, knowledge about the bug, and prevention, and treatment, and eventually possibly vaccines, is growing - rapidly.

So the nearly inevitable follow-on waves will occur in a very different environment - this one involved some panic, based on actual events and unknowns.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 15, 2020 02:49 PM (El6T/)

154 122
So, where can the COVID-19 related porn videos be found? Asking for a friend...

Posted by: Fortcoins at April 15, 2020 02:45 PM (JbL9Q)

New here, huh? Where else but pornhub.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at April 15, 2020 02:49 PM (N39Ws)

155 It's the fvcking flu, wash your hands cover you mouth and live your life!

Posted by: Cheribebe at April 15, 2020 02:47 PM (pGrg3)

THIS

Posted by: grammie winger at April 15, 2020 02:49 PM (lwiT4)

156 Technically if we really wanted to stop the progression of Wuhan Flu we should have nuked NYC from orbit. Its the only way to be sure.

Posted by: 18-1 at April 15, 2020 02:49 PM (WdocV)

157 If someone is afraid of the virus, by all means stay home, and mask and glove when you go out. But please, don't oppress others who may have a different view.

Posted by: tubal at April 15, 2020 02:49 PM (90T4r)

158 "attention vampires"

I like that.

Posted by: Mr. Trashbag, Shoggoth and Eater Of Toes at April 15, 2020 02:49 PM (T09ml)

159 Wuhan Novel Coronavirus.

This thing has a book out now?
Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2020 02:48 PM (e284m)

A network Operating System with Active Directory built in.

Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 15, 2020 02:49 PM (Zz0t1)

160 this whole shelter in place is bullshit. come may I am commencing my normal activities. CA can fuck off.

Posted by: IC at April 15, 2020 02:49 PM (a0IVu)

161 I still think one of us needs to win the lottery and establish Hordetopia.
Posted by: Jordan61

I've been trying to push Alaska for a long time now.

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 15, 2020 02:49 PM (d7Ww2)

162 You know, it looks like we might die.

We should lock everything down until they have a cure for that.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2020 02:50 PM (e284m)

163 The quarantine should have concentrated on the people most susceptible to dying. There should have been Curfews for anyone over 65, or infirm.

Everyone else should have went to social distancing, masks and quarantines when symptomatic.

Sports should have gone on, just limit the crowds.

Leave the restaurants, bars, and service industries open too. Just tell everyone to mask up and to clean up in between customers.

Posted by: rd at April 15, 2020 02:50 PM (+0uDE)

164 156 Technically if we really wanted to stop the progression of Wuhan Flu we should have nuked NYC from orbit. Its the only way to be sure.
Posted by: 18-1 at April 15, 2020 02:49 PM (WdocV)

Can I get a heads-up?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 15, 2020 02:50 PM (pS94+)

165 The thing that jumped out at me, was the Prof saying the virus could simply be dying off because of its lifespan....eight weeks or so.

Sweden has kept its schools and businesses open, and they're going about their business. They're not killing their economy, and their hospitals aren't overflowing.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 15, 2020 02:50 PM (ptqGC)

166 159 Wuhan Novel Coronavirus.

This thing has a book out now?
Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2020 02:48 PM (e284m)

A network Operating System with Active Directory built in.
Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 15, 2020 02:49 PM (Zz0t1)

"It was a dark and stormy petri dish..."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 15, 2020 02:50 PM (pS94+)

167 Hi all my old friends. And have been enjoying learning about all the newer Acetopians.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at April 15, 2020 02:50 PM (UNyae)

168 The Pronhub controlavirus vids are mostly just regular porn with masks.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at April 15, 2020 02:50 PM (SAK2A)

169 Good news. Tank Abrams is back, letting Biden know she's well-fed, rested and ready to be his Rolling mate.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 15, 2020 02:39 PM (ptqGC)

fify

Posted by: OneEyedJack at April 15, 2020 02:50 PM (z79tQ)

170 Leggy Cyd Charisse on TCM.
Meow.

Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at April 15, 2020 02:50 PM (ufFY8)

171 This is why I go out as much as possible. This is
why I do not wear a mask. I'm speaking as an immune-compromised person.
Ask anyone in my family. I have said this was BS from the start.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 15, 2020 02:42 PM

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Same here. I am an "at risk" person and I go out everyday sans mask and gloves.

Now I do wash my hands a bit more than I used to, but that's about it as far as the panic goes.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 15, 2020 02:50 PM (JUOKG)

172 We have friends in NYC so I'm not for nuking them. I would like to see them get out though.

Posted by: f'd at April 15, 2020 02:50 PM (Tnijr)

173 I missed Easter services for this crap.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 15, 2020 02:50 PM (lwiT4)

174
A network Operating System with Active Directory built in.

Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 15, 2020 02:49 PM (Zz0t1)
I always said UNIX was nothing but a virus with a user interface (sort of user interface)

Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2020 02:50 PM (e284m)

175
I was very sick with what I assumed was the Flu in early January 2010. I wonder if I had the chinese sars....

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 15, 2020 02:50 PM (2ROZf)

176 Well, you stay the fuck in and let the rest of us live our lives.

Posted by: Seems Legit at April 15, 2020 02:47 PM (jUVms)

Please do live your lives. I never said any different. And I will stay the fuck in.

Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at April 15, 2020 02:51 PM (dB+c3)

177 I've just about had it with the authoritarians using this as an opportunity to turn the screws tighter. Even Wyoming ( C is for Commie Casper, of course ) is flirting with criminal and financial penalties for people who "violate" guidelines.
https://preview.tinyurl.com/ufm4tj7

Posted by: The Highland Pipes at April 15, 2020 02:51 PM (dMQk1)

178 So we should look at this as very interesting but preliminary.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 15, 2020 02:46 PM (dLLD6)

It's also worth noting that Wuhan appears to have had a second wave. Although no one can be sure, of course.

Further, it's being speculated their might be three different strains of this virus that are acting quite differently, depending on where they are.

They are calling the New York City strain Type 1 (or A, I can't remember), whereas the Wuhan strain is Type 2.

Why, I don't know.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 15, 2020 02:51 PM (hku12)

179 But please, don't oppress others who may have a different view.

___

What the f*ck is the point of setting at home, "working", and drinking wine if I don't know I'm making some redneck suffer?

Screw you truck driver Bobby, you should have called me back after I gave you a handy under the bleachers!

Posted by: Some Wine Mom with a long memory at April 15, 2020 02:51 PM (WdocV)

180 Won't someone think of the trans childre... Oh, there's Buzzfeed.

Posted by: DinsdalePiranha at April 15, 2020 02:51 PM (I6LPk)

181 Butbutbutbut boulder terlit hobo told me he hoped he didn't have to explain to me why it was critical that Wisconsin be shut down a month ago. It was so obvious. Heavy sigh. Sad head shake about how stupid everyone but him is. His examples were Japan and South Korea. I pointed out that neither shut down their economies. No response....

Posted by: Muad'dib at April 15, 2020 02:51 PM (sjdRT)

182 The fact is, Sweden has higher corona death rates than their neighboring others. A LOT more. Now, there can be an argument that they will come out better in the long run, due to herd immunity, but that is yet unproven.

My model says that all models are full of shit, or conjecture, but mainly shit.
Posted by: GnuBreed at April 15, 2020 02:37 PM (Z4rgH)
++++++++++++++
Death rates, but not infection rates - which implies that something else might be going on.
Sweden vs. her neighbors:
Sweden: 116.6 positive tests per 100k; 11.76 deaths per 100k
Norway: 125.6 positive tests per 100k; 2.7 deaths per 100k
Denmark: 119.2 positive tests per 100k; 5.5 deaths per 100k
Finalnd: 58.7 positive tests per 100k; 1.3 deaths per 100k

Only Finland stands out on infection rate; only Sweden stands out on death rate (although her infection rates are similar to her non-Finnish neighbors).

Against the big boys:
Sweden: 116.6 positive tests per 100k; 11.76 deaths per 100k
Germany: 160.5 positive tests per 100k; 4.3 deaths per 100k
France: 158.5 positive tests per 100k; 25.6 deaths per 100k

Sweden is doing better than the major central/western axis.

I pulled this from 2019 population and current COVID testing and death information from Google (e.g., "Sweden COVID deaths" and "Sweden population" searches) and then did the arithmetic.

From a death standpoint, Sweden looks *terrible* and that would be worth knowing more about. From an infection standpoint, though, it doesn't look bad compared to her neighbors (except Finland).

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 15, 2020 02:51 PM (hYcqw)

183 Indeed, one Swedish academic has predicted that up to half the Swedish population will be infected by the end of April. Although it is probably too soon to see a clear effect of interventions on mortality rates, by April 1, COVID-19 deaths in Sweden accounted for 24 per million citizens , whereas in Norway it was only eight deaths per million. Finland was lower still with just three per million.

lots of info being thrown around re Sweden.

Under the blue skies and blazing sun Sweden has enjoyed lately, people have flocked to parks and beaches, bars and cafes. Nevertheless, Sweden has a high number of people living in single households , and citizens are generally respectful of public health advice and guidelines.
nationalinterest

eh?

Swedes are used to living alone, following rules and championing innovation. How much will these social norms help during the coronavirus crisis?
bbc

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 15, 2020 02:51 PM (8fB/R)

184 lookitmelookitmeLOOKITMEEEE!

*stranger glances briefly*

WHY ARE YOU STARING AT ME, BIGOT!?

POLICE! POLEEEEEECE!

Posted by: Average modern tranny at April 15, 2020 02:52 PM (ldmQR)

185 PGIS has returned to us. Everything will be fine.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - hiding out in the secret mountain lair at April 15, 2020 02:52 PM (SchxB)

186 Jeeeez-US I had completely forgotten about the Trans community. WOW how they must be suffering from this! Trump needs to do something to make it up to them NOW!!!

Did anybody ask Ecuador how they are doing? How about Venezuela? Subsaharan Africa? No. They haven't. They will wait a couple months then blame Trump for the tragedy unfolding here.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy. COVID Free since 1975 at April 15, 2020 02:52 PM (dNzKv)

187 Look, I HATE this lockdown and I HATE my governor (Northam), but life is not going to be the same for me regardless.

I know two people who died from WuFlu. Not friends, but acquaintances. Both male, ages 68 and 72. Don't know if they had other health issues, but they survived many flu seasons. This virus killed them. It's not the Black Death, but it's not "nothing" either.

I'm 65, healthy and active. I exercise and get outdoors every day. But I'm not ashamed to admit this virus scares me. It's fucking spooky, with the 5-7 day incubation with no symptoms, and the weird range of effects from mild to lethal. I do NOT want to get this shit. I'm in Henrico County VA, which currently has the highest per capita caseload in the state right now, and frankly I wish I were somewhere else.

Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at April 15, 2020 02:46 PM (dB+c3)

Bat, sorry for the loss of your friends.

don't be scared, but be aware. you sound like you've got the right outlook on it. the problem is the media and gov coonman and others have restricted movements and scared people so bad that it's had to figure out what's real and what's hype.

that said, stay safe and take the actions you need. I'm down here in the tidewater, and it's just crazy the range of reactions that i'm seeing. from none to tomorrow they become boy in the bubble.

Posted by: SturmToddler at April 15, 2020 02:52 PM (8D42x)

188 Technically if we really wanted to stop the progression of Wuhan Flu we should have nuked NYC from orbit. Its the only way to be sure.
Posted by: 18-1 at April 15, 2020 02:49 PM (WdocV)
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Yes! I wasn't crazy about the bomb in my neck idea.

Posted by: Snake Plissken at April 15, 2020 02:52 PM (Eicbe)

189 It's model vs model

Posted by: Amontillado at April 15, 2020 02:43 PM (aKsyK)

Kate Upton vs 90s Laetitia CastaIn the Crisco Octagon...

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 15, 2020 02:52 PM (EGyGV)

190 Please do live your lives. I never said any different. And I will stay the fuck in.
Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at April 15, 2020 02:51 PM (dB+c3)

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Yeah *cough* I was being a little insensitive. Apologies.

Posted by: Seems Legit at April 15, 2020 02:52 PM (jUVms)

191 145 84 Coronavirus was sold as more dangerous then any recent disease as perhaps even worse then the Spanish Flu.>>>>>>>

They knew from the beginning that the Corona mainly effects the elderly , those with deficient immunity systems and those with significant underlying conditions. The Spanish Flu was horrific because it struck the young and healthy most. Hell the H1N1 basically left the over 65 alone while killing mostly kids and those under '29'.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at April 15, 2020 02:47 PM (FKi9J)

Those old fuckers just get in the way and suck up federal money good riddance.

Posted by: Willard at April 15, 2020 02:52 PM (nd/mG)

192 13 I've been wondering about this. If we're all living in a bubble, isn't this all going to start over once the lockdowns are lifted and people start interacting again?
Posted by: Jordan61 at April 15, 2020 02:34 PM (Ez6QX)

---------

Watch China. They are currently blaming it on the White Devils and the Black Devils, but CHICOM-19 is spreading again.

Posted by: rd at April 15, 2020 02:53 PM (+0uDE)

193 I still think one of us needs to win the lottery and establish Hordetopia.

A town of drunken shut-ins with personality disorders who like to shoot off their front porches.

I'm in.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 15, 2020 02:53 PM (9mbND)

194 also, if some guy thinks the answer to his problems is to chop off his Johnson and grow tits, then finds out his life is still difficult, well, that's on him-
don't make it my problem
I got no sympathy for you
fucken deviant MFers

sorry- I'm fresh out of empathy today

Posted by: DB- just DB. at April 15, 2020 02:53 PM (iTXRQ)

195 No the assholes pushing it believe it. Remember
these are university researchers, lifelong bureaucrats and those like
them. Many probably card carrying socialists and big government lovers
that believe it should control everything. They think there is nothing
wrong with putting a halt to all that silly capitalist economic work
that they have spent their lives avoiding. The important work Government
funded research grants Are still going on after all.

Posted by: Buzzion at April 15, 2020 02:38 PM (Sg/64)

Oh, I'm quite certain they believe it, buzz. But there's lots of theories by lots of people. The one the gatekeepers are choosing to run TODAY (including all morning on Fox) is the one which best flattens the curve on our hopes and dreams.

The idea seems just realistic enough to make people feel the absolute worst inside. If it was lock down until 2024, nobody would buy it. If it was lock down for the next six months, it would sound bad but it wouldn't rise above the noise of what's already happening.

*Lockdown Until 2022* sounds just awful and just plausible enough to sow seeds of doubt and destruction in the collective mind. It also makes other possible "solutions" the gatekeepers are already planning seems less bad. But mostly it's the doubt and destruction.

Posted by: ... at April 15, 2020 02:53 PM (FBu6l)

196
More than half of all Swedish homes are, like Wiking's, made up of one resident, the highest proportion in Europe, according to Eurostat figures. The most common age to move out from your parents' place is between 18 and 19, compared to an EU average of 26.

Some experts believe that these living patterns might help stem the spread of coronavirus; in current hotspots for infections including Italy and Spain, it is - by contrast - much more common for large families to congregate under one roof.

oy, need to get back to work

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 15, 2020 02:53 PM (8fB/R)

197 I pointed out that neither shut down their economies. No response....

Posted by: Muad'dib at April 15, 2020 02:51 PM (sjdRT)
That's because they had Samurai anti-virus patrolling the streets.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2020 02:53 PM (e284m)

198 sweeds, heh.... if the wuhan whooping cough doesnt get them the muslim invasion will.

Posted by: Pliney at April 15, 2020 02:53 PM (nzKWW)

199 Are you staring at my tits?

No...you're a dude.

Raaaaaaaapeeee!

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy. COVID Free since 1975 at April 15, 2020 02:53 PM (dNzKv)

200 Read the FAQ at the IHME site. It says the purpose of doing this is to visually eliminate the virus in the country, to the point that very aggressive containment, contact tracing, and screening of all incoming travelers long enough for a vaccine or effective therapeutics to be created. Which, is almost next to impossible in a country as big and complex as the U.S.

Posted by: Serious Cat at April 15, 2020 02:53 PM (zqs/f)

201 146 I guess I will decloak now that I remember who I used to be here. I have no idea how I could have forgotten my nic.

I fear what states like mine will define as the new normal once this is all done
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at April 15, 2020 02:47 PM (UNyae)

I retract my snarky comment from the last thread. However you do not know for sure if there was anything underlying that made your coworker susceptible to it. And there is even less incentive to investigate to determine if there was another underlying cause. I'm sure every year completely healthy people also die from the flu with no underlying hidden causes as well. It's what happens with diseases.

Posted by: Buzzion at April 15, 2020 02:53 PM (Sg/64)

202

Ace is a drug.

/wave

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 15, 2020 02:53 PM (8fB/R)

203 I quit posting the cases and deaths over week ago. It became apparent that the US numbers were fake and this whole thing has been an over-hyped BS designed "to get Trump".

Posted by: Vic at April 15, 2020 02:53 PM (mpXpK)

204 157 If someone is afraid of the virus, by all means stay home, and mask and glove when you go out. But please, don't oppress others who may have a different view.

Yep. As Alex Berenson tweeted:

"Those who wish to cower can cower (and pay the bills with magic beans); those who wish to read and understand data and risk - and to work - can work."

Posted by: Guy Smiley at April 15, 2020 02:53 PM (SAK2A)

205 Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle

are you really in Seattle?

because we may be the only two on this side of the state.

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 15, 2020 02:53 PM (d7Ww2)

206 176 Well, you stay the fuck in and let the rest of us live our lives.

Posted by: Seems Legit at April 15, 2020 02:47 PM (jUVms)

Please do live your lives. I never said any different. And I will stay the fuck in.
Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at April 15, 2020 02:51 PM (dB+c3)

If you get this thing, the survival /recovery rate is approaching 98-99%. Totally agree that I do not want to get sick with anything. But I'm not going to let it rule my life. Sadly I have to allow the Democrats to rule my life.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 15, 2020 02:53 PM (pS94+)

207 You know what would be a great way to deal with highly transmissible repository diseases?

Lower population density, less immigration, more roads. Also, no more "open offices".

Oddly I don't hear a single f*cking politician talking about any of these points....

Posted by: 18-1 at April 15, 2020 02:53 PM (WdocV)

208 I always said UNIX was nothing but a virus with a user interface (sort of user interface)

UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who it considers friends.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - hiding out in the secret mountain lair at April 15, 2020 02:54 PM (SchxB)

209 manufactured crisis
+ "never let a crisis go to waste"
_____________
equals Cloward-Piven in action

it was not a crisis from the start, exactly, it was an act of war, by China and their stooges such as the Marxist/terrorist WHO director, and perhaps Fauci/Birx/Gates dreams of their global vaccines, and God only knows what other New World Order they dream about when the Foundations meet .. on pedo island?

Posted by: illiniwek at April 15, 2020 02:54 PM (Cus5s)

210 We are running the Chicom's script. It will probably work well.

Posted by: klaftern at April 15, 2020 02:54 PM (RuIsu)

211 Wuhan Novel Coronavirus.

This thing has a book out now?

Renowned epidemiologist Jessica Lampton stared at her flickering 17.5" LED computer screen in uncomprehending horror as she suddenly realized what the images her eyes were seeing revealed.

Posted by: Dan Brown at April 15, 2020 02:54 PM (XQpcb)

212
If I win the lottery, we'll know the World is gonna end. God hates me like that.

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 15, 2020 02:54 PM (2ROZf)

213 202

Ace is a drug.

/wave
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 15, 2020 02:53 PM (8fB/R)

Sound of Brian Ferry and Phil Manzanera jumping into time machine and heading back to 1976...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 15, 2020 02:54 PM (pS94+)

214 Is metro NYC ( includes NJ) so different from the rest of the country that they account for over half of the reported deaths? What's the difference or differences that have resulted in the discrepancy? I'd think that would be a significant answer we would need for the future.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at April 15, 2020 02:54 PM (FKi9J)

215
I fear what states like mine will define as the new normal once this is all done
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at April 15, 2020 02:47 PM (UNyae)

I was reluctantly willing to go along with "flattening the curve" but their insistence on calling this bullshit the New Normal is grating on my nerves.
And I'm underselling big time cuz the internet is forever.
btw, welcome back.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at April 15, 2020 02:55 PM (z79tQ)

216 Shocker -- it's almost as if it behaves like every other modern virus or something. But Supreme Commander Fauci isn't buying it -- it's his time to shine in the spotlight.

I wonder if they will ever include in their #FakeModels factors like how many people they needlessly killed by destroying the economy? Naaaaaaaahhhhh.

Posted by: 5ShainS -- Which ChiComm country funds American media and politicians? at April 15, 2020 02:55 PM (2L5A1)

217 prior:

A nursing home is probably one of the most controlled and controllable environments

The staff aren't locked in.
There's a lot of low skilled nursing labor involved.
There's evidence it's poop transmitted and not enough hand washing, etc.
Very vulnerable population.

There's no published data yet re: prior condition HCQ taking patients being more/less/same likely to develop disease after exposure.

Posted by: DaveA at April 15, 2020 02:55 PM (FhXTo)

218 Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at April 15, 2020 02:50 PM (UNyae)

Waheeeeyyyyyyy.

Posted by: ... at April 15, 2020 02:55 PM (FBu6l)

219 I want to know which hospitals had overflows. Because I didn't hear of any other than whining about masks because they were being changed every 2 minutes. CO is building a 2000 bed facility at the convention center when we have had 1500 hospitalizations total since this started and 90% of those people are out of the hospital. Seattle never had one patient in theirs.
One thing is for sure though, we need a national stockpile of about 2 billion masks and 2 billion rolls of TP.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 15, 2020 02:55 PM (r+sAi)

220 13 I've been wondering about this. If we're all living in a bubble, isn't this all going to start over once the lockdowns are lifted and people start interacting again?
Posted by: Jordan61 at April 15, 2020 02:34 PM (Ez6QX)

I told my "Reeeeeeeee" sister that she's going to have to wear a hazmat suit for the rest of her life.

Posted by: Gem at April 15, 2020 02:55 PM (kIHih)

221 The Great awakening ! Demorats want small businesses eradicated and forced to die on the vine. UnFinanced by government largess. Please recall, the greatest employer in America IS small business ! Just like in mother Russia, destroy the working class and you own the populace ! Destroy prosperity, then take away the rest-speech, guns, food supply, etc.
HISTORY IS REPEATING ITSELF DENIERS/CLUELESS ! You were warned by many of us many weeks ago !

Posted by: ron n. at April 15, 2020 02:55 PM (om5HK)

222 147; Did SARS have a second wave?

Posted by: CN at April 15, 2020 02:55 PM (ONvIw)

223 Sweden also has high rates of VD!

They must still be humping away over there

Posted by: Somewhere on Ventura Highway at April 15, 2020 02:55 PM (WF/xn)

224 They better get people out and back to work soon or the people are going to free themselves. This is getting to be total bullshit.

In a meeting with Trump today major companies are trying to get everyone tested and entered into a database for tracking.

They're not even hiding the assaults on our liberty anymore.

Posted by: Hesco Gypsy, staring from 457 meters at April 15, 2020 02:55 PM (m/eiQ)

225 214 Is metro NYC ( includes NJ) so different from the rest of the country that they account for over half of the reported deaths? What's the difference or differences that have resulted in the discrepancy? I'd think that would be a significant answer we would need for the future.
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at April 15, 2020 02:54 PM (FKi9J)

Size, population density and number Chinese who live here and traveling through an international port of entry.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 15, 2020 02:55 PM (pS94+)

226 UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who it considers friends.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - hiding out in the secret mountain lair at April 15, 2020 02:54 PM (SchxB)

Learn to grep.

Posted by: Roland THTG at April 15, 2020 02:56 PM (88+cf)

227 Put in suspended animation for two years.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 15, 2020 02:56 PM (aKsyK)

228
That's why I don't understand the stupid prison releases. A prison can be a highly sterilized environment and thus quite safe from a virus.

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 15, 2020 02:56 PM (2ROZf)

229 Ace is a helluva drug.

Posted by: zombie Rick James at April 15, 2020 02:56 PM (yk557)

230 I always said UNIX was nothing but a virus with a user interface (sort of user interface)
Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2020 02:50 PM (e284m)

OS2 Warp! was GENIUS, just never caught on.

Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 15, 2020 02:56 PM (Zz0t1)

231 222 147; Did SARS have a second wave?
Posted by: CN at April 15, 2020 02:55 PM (ONvIw)

As I recall, not at all.

Posted by: tubal at April 15, 2020 02:56 PM (90T4r)

232 Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle

*******

Blast from the past!

*waves like a retard*

Where have YOU been?

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 15, 2020 02:56 PM (flINI)

233 Yeah, people are being put into medical comas and getting tubes stuck down their throats for life support and have a 50/50 chance of dying thereafter, but you know who's really got it bad? A tranny calling ximself Unicorn Spacecraft Zeta who has to sit in awkward silence watching Home Improvement repeats with his dad.

===========

To be fair, have you watched Home Improvement recently?

It's...not great.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at April 15, 2020 02:56 PM (LvTSG)

234 Speaking of back water third world shitholes - have their limited medical facilities been overwhelmed by all this. Why isn't the media there telling us how Trump's cuts to the WHO have wiped out entire villages in Ponga_Panga?

Why aren't we hearing about how, I don't know, say, Haiti for example.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2020 02:56 PM (e284m)

235 There's nothing you can't accomplish in UNIX with a few more pipes.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at April 15, 2020 02:57 PM (+oVP5)

236 Ace, JJ, and CBD all live in and around NYC. NYC is the epicenter. I'm not sayin', just sayin.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy. COVID Free since 1975 at April 15, 2020 02:57 PM (dNzKv)

237 I saw somebody giving CNN a new network name and thought it was most apropos! Henceforth, they should be called XiNN.

Posted by: Lady in Black, sans mask at April 15, 2020 02:57 PM (O+I8R)

238 165
The thing that jumped out at me, was the Prof saying the virus could
simply be dying off because of its lifespan....eight weeks or so.

Sweden
has kept its schools and businesses open, and they're going about their
business. They're not killing their economy, and their hospitals aren't
overflowing.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 15, 2020 02:50 PM (ptqGC)

Viruses are not alive in the sense that they have a pre-determined lifespan. They are either under destructive conditions or enhancing conditions that prevent or promote replication.

Population density is an enhancing condition, until the population achieves herd immunity, then it is a destructive condition.

Achieving herd immunity rapidly is the most ideal situation focusing only on virus eradication. If it can be achieved without unnecessary deaths due to lack of medical resources, so much the better.
We bought two months of time to build medical resources and treatments regimes. Any further lockdown and we are being a detriment to achieving our own herd immunity, while hospitals remain not overloaded.

It's time to get back to work with reasonable precautions against uncontrolled spread.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at April 15, 2020 02:57 PM (KnJdm)

239 I am a partner in a small business, we build tools for the oil industry.

We got the double whammy, oil price war and the wuflu.

our sales are down 95%

FML

Posted by: Somewhere on Ventura Highway at April 15, 2020 02:57 PM (WF/xn)

240 My theory:

COVID-19 isn't as deadly as originally feared.

But it survives on surfaces much longer than previous common viruses.

In other words, persistent and durable, but not crazy infectious.
Posted by: Walter Freeman at April 15, 2020 02:35 PM (+oVP5)

Disproven in preliminary research. German researches found samples of virus all over a household where everyone got infected, but back in the lab could not create any active virus that could infect a person. It was all dead RNA.

Posted by: Serious Cat at April 15, 2020 02:57 PM (zqs/f)

241 225 214 Is metro NYC ( includes NJ) so different from the rest of the country that they account for over half of the reported deaths? What's the difference or differences that have resulted in the discrepancy? I'd think that would be a significant answer we would need for the future.
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at April 15, 2020 02:54 PM (FKi9J)

Size, population density and number Chinese who live here and traveling through an international port of entry.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 15, 2020 02:55 PM (pS94+)

==========

And the communist mayor.

Can't forget the communist mayor.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at April 15, 2020 02:57 PM (LvTSG)

242
I mean if We're supposedly safe by being "lockdowned" in our homes, then why wouldn't prisoners be as "safe or even safer in their naturally lockdowned domiciles!

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 15, 2020 02:57 PM (2ROZf)

243 Learn to grep.

I did. Wasn't as awkward as I expected.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - hiding out in the secret mountain lair at April 15, 2020 02:57 PM (SchxB)

244
UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who it considers friends.
Posted by: Blanco Basura - hiding out in the secret mountain lair at April 15, 2020 02:54 PM (SchxB)

Unix is that psycho bitch that's fun to fuck but you're REALLY afraid you'll wake up the next day dead or missing your dick.

Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 15, 2020 02:57 PM (Zz0t1)

245
I don't pick up on the idea of subsequent waves.

It sounds to me like the correct answer is that "social distancing" does jack and shit to prevent the virus's movement through the population.

It could be that the increased precautions are slowing or stopping other diseases which, though tragic for the people they afflict, are statistically background noise in a normal year.

Heads need to roll for this hoax.

Posted by: fktheleft at April 15, 2020 02:58 PM (I54dk)

246 CBD is correct. I know math is banned and science and logic are haaaard, but one of the amazing things about a new virus is that - wait for it - we don't know a lot about it.

That's changing by the day, bigly.

As I noted just above, subsequent waves (almost inevitable) will not be encountering the same environment. We'll know a lot more about every aspect of this thing.

18-1's idea is actually something that is being pursued at various levels - enough testing (both current case and anti-body to show past infection) to generate enough data to make higher-confidence estimates. That's why the evil docs have been mentioning this aspect for weeks.

There's a non-scientific aspect that may be different in any subsequent waves, too. After the course of this first wave, with the strong mitigation measures and the success/luck/whatever in avoiding failure of medical capacity, AND the economic damage, there may well be a high bar for governments to push the button a second time.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 15, 2020 02:58 PM (El6T/)

247 Twitter LULZ

Kyle Mann
@The_Kyle_Mann
Actually it's Trump defunded WHOM

https://twitter.com/The_Kyle_Mann/status/
1250189768979132416

Posted by: vmom 2020 at April 15, 2020 02:58 PM (G546f)

248 Both of these things can't be true:

1. Lockdown has no effect.
2. Surge after lockdown.

My money is on 2. being true.

The only thing that matters is how many people have already been infected. That will tell us how many will get it when the lockdown lifts. They really need to get on figuring that out. There are some small efforts here and there, but this should really be a WW focus.

Posted by: The Judge at April 15, 2020 02:58 PM (GDjCl)

249 >>> This is why I go out as much as possible. This is
why I do not wear a mask. I'm speaking as an immune-compromised person.
Ask anyone in my family. I have said this was BS from the start.
Posted by: grammie winger

============

Right there with you. Of course, all my sibs take this to mean I want mom and dad to die.

Posted by: 6-4-3 Turn Two at April 15, 2020 02:58 PM (gJNMH)

250 Great, more math.

And the dishwasher is TU.

Crappy midweek.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at April 15, 2020 02:59 PM (e1mEI)

251 243
Learn to grep.

I did. Wasn't as awkward as I expected.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - hiding out in the secret mountain lair at April 15, 2020 02:57 PM (SchxB)

That's what she sed.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at April 15, 2020 02:59 PM (KnJdm)

252 There's evidence it's poop transmitted

Huh. That's new information for me. I thought it was strictly airborne.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 15, 2020 02:59 PM (lwiT4)

253 214
Is metro NYC ( includes NJ) so different from the rest of the country
that they account for over half of the reported deaths? What's the
difference or differences that have resulted in the discrepancy? I'd
think that would be a significant answer we would need for the future.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at April 15, 2020 02:54 PM (FKi9J)

So stupidity and rabid liberalism are factors then?

Posted by: Cannibal Blob at April 15, 2020 02:59 PM (7ZMbn)

254 Waiting for Drudge to link this.....

Posted by: Valiant at April 15, 2020 02:59 PM (3MiF8)

255 Sweden
has kept its schools and businesses open, and they're going about their
business. They're not killing their economy, and their hospitals aren't
overflowing.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 15, 2020 02:50 PM (ptqGC)

But I've heard that businesses are shuttered and people are getting laid off in cities because most people are choosing on their own to stay home. So, it's not exactly YOLO right now in Sweden.

Posted by: Serious Cat at April 15, 2020 02:59 PM (zqs/f)

256 I always said UNIX was nothing but a virus with a user interface (sort of user interface)
Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2020 02:50 PM (e284m)
++++++++++++
When I was learning UNIX, the best book I read on the topic was called "The UNIX-Hater's Handbook." It was a compilation of E-Mails from university types who were being force-migrated to UNIX in the 80s and 90s. It provided real insight into how UNIX works and how to work with it, though that was not the book's point.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 15, 2020 03:00 PM (hYcqw)

257 Those old fuckers just get in the way and suck up federal money good riddance.
Posted by: Willard at April 15, 2020 02:52 PM (nd/mG)

Are you related to 29victor by any chance?

Posted by: OneEyedJack at April 15, 2020 03:00 PM (z79tQ)

258 Why would we need to hide our abuses?

Posted by: THE STATE at April 15, 2020 03:00 PM (pUwNX)

259 252
There's evidence it's poop transmitted

Huh. That's new information for me. I thought it was strictly airborne.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 15, 2020 02:59 PM (lwiT4)

It can be both at the same time.

Posted by: Monkey at April 15, 2020 03:00 PM (7ZMbn)

260 Some poop is airborne.

Posted by: klaftern at April 15, 2020 03:00 PM (RuIsu)

261 Science, how do it work?

Posted by: Archer at April 15, 2020 03:00 PM (gmo/4)

262 ...I guess the toilet seat licking jackass can attest to that

Posted by: Pliney at April 15, 2020 03:00 PM (nzKWW)

263
Shouldn't we also take into account Swedes have a different outlook on Life than normal people and believe they're going to Valhalla when they go mort?

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 15, 2020 03:00 PM (2ROZf)

264 252 There's evidence it's poop transmitted

Huh. That's new information for me. I thought it was strictly airborne.
Posted by: grammie winger at April 15, 2020 02:59 PM (lwiT4)

Serious question, can the gas from poop & farts transmit virus and or bacteria?

Posted by: Serious Cat at April 15, 2020 03:01 PM (zqs/f)

265 Some poop is airborne.
Posted by: klaftern at April 15, 2020 03:00 PM (RuIsu)

--

LOL

Posted by: Lady in Black, sans mask at April 15, 2020 03:01 PM (O+I8R)

266 260 Some poop is airborne.
Posted by: klaftern at April 15, 2020 03:00 PM (RuIsu)

==========

There's a thread dedicated to this daily.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at April 15, 2020 03:01 PM (LvTSG)

267 Unix is that psycho bitch that's fun to fuck but you're REALLY afraid you'll wake up the next day dead or missing your dick.

*sigh* Yeah, but I love her anyways.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - hiding out in the secret mountain lair at April 15, 2020 03:01 PM (SchxB)

268 >>> 251 243
Learn to grep.

I did. Wasn't as awkward as I expected.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - hiding out in the secret mountain lair at April 15, 2020 02:57 PM (SchxB)

That's what she sed.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at April 15, 2020 02:59 PM

Thank you for that perl of wisdom.

Posted by: banana Dream at April 15, 2020 03:01 PM (l6b3d)

269 I am a partner in a small business, we build tools for the oil industry.

We got the double whammy, oil price war and the wuflu.

our sales are down 95%

FML

Posted by: Somewhere on Ventura Highway at April 15, 2020 02:57 PM (WF/xn)

Ouch! I'm so sorry.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 15, 2020 03:01 PM (lwiT4)

270 OS2 Warp! was GENIUS, just never caught on.
Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 15, 2020 02:56 PM (Zz0t1)
+++++++++++++
Unless you're an ATM. ATMs ran OS/2 for a long time and some still do.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 15, 2020 03:01 PM (hYcqw)

271 There's evidence it's poop transmitted

___

We must spend our entire budget on a cure!

Posted by: The gay bathhouse community at April 15, 2020 03:01 PM (WdocV)

272 Next person who says "This is our new normal" gets a week in the Barrel.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 15, 2020 03:01 PM (ptqGC)

273
Valhala is pretty cool from what I hear. Maybe those Blockheads are on to something.

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 15, 2020 03:01 PM (2ROZf)

274 >>> Look, I HATE this lockdown and I HATE my governor (Northam), but life is not going to be the same for me regardless.

I see this sleight of hand attempt fairly often from the NeverTrump ranks. It's basically, "Nothing will change if we lift the lockdown because everyone just stay lockdowned anyways out of fear."

Ok. Then why argue so hard for keeping the lockdown ordinances in place if it won't matter one way or the other? Why not build some goodwill by giving in on a meaningless, symbolic gesture?

Posted by: Frankovich's Monster at April 15, 2020 03:01 PM (dYe5S)

275 This video, by a doctor treating Wuflu patients, talks about how to prevent it.

https://tinyurl.com/uxgs2qo

Posted by: Notsothoreau at April 15, 2020 03:01 PM (Lqy/e)

276 Some poop is airborne.
Posted by: klaftern at April 15, 2020 03:00 PM (RuIsu)

******

This is true

Posted by: Big Ape at the Zoo at April 15, 2020 03:01 PM (flINI)

277 No, he doesn't say it always follows the same curve. He says it follows the same timeline, which makes shutdown more valuable, because instead of just spreading out the infections and deaths, you're actually eliminating them.

Except it probably doesn't work the way he claims.

Posted by: Original Roy at April 15, 2020 03:01 PM (hOlnG)

278 "In the exact, same, way."

MOTHERFUCKERS.

I'm just going to stop now, because I'll probably get a visit from the FBI if I say anything more about the people who put us through this.

Posted by: Dr. T at April 15, 2020 03:01 PM (Vgw1E)

279 261 Science, how do it work?
Posted by: Archer at April 15, 2020 03:00 PM (gmo/4)

==========

On faith that the men who dress as acolytes are reading the runes of Science correctly.

Amen.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at April 15, 2020 03:01 PM (LvTSG)

280 Are "experts" ever right? Seriously, I'm beginning to think every policy should be decided by a coin flip. At least there's a fifty percent chance of success.

Posted by: Concerned People's Front at April 15, 2020 03:01 PM (vGJY7)

281 Dammit someone beat me to the flying poo transmission theory for this virus

Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2020 03:02 PM (e284m)

282 272 Next person who says "This is our new normal" gets a week in the Barrel.

Can we ban "We're all in this together" while we're at it?

Posted by: Guy Smiley at April 15, 2020 03:02 PM (SAK2A)

283
193 I still think one of us needs to win the lottery and establish Hordetopia.

A town of drunken shut-ins with personality disorders who like to shoot off their front porches.

And eat bacon and make BBQ

IM IN!!

Posted by: Cheribebe at April 15, 2020 03:02 PM (pGrg3)

284 and believe they're going to Valhalla when they go mort?
___

/Looks at modern Swedes

They are going to be sorely disappointed.

Posted by: Odin at April 15, 2020 03:02 PM (WdocV)

285 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 15, 2020 02:55 PM (pS94+)

Without the ethnic and age breakdown of the deaths , I couldn't make my Holiday Day Inn expert conclusions.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at April 15, 2020 03:02 PM (FKi9J)

286
Wait
You can get it by farts?

Posted by: Yo! at April 15, 2020 03:02 PM (uZuKb)

287 268
>>> 251 243

Learn to grep.

I did. Wasn't as awkward as I expected.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - hiding out in the secret mountain lair at April 15, 2020 02:57 PM (SchxB)

That's what she sed.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at April 15, 2020 02:59 PM

Thank you for that perl of wisdom.

Posted by: banana Dream at April 15, 2020 03:01 PM (l6b3d)

I predict this pun thread will not go out without a shebang.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at April 15, 2020 03:02 PM (KnJdm)

288 >Some poop is airborne.
Posted by: klaftern

that's how it hits the fan

Posted by: DB- just DB. at April 15, 2020 03:02 PM (iTXRQ)

289 282 272 Next person who says "This is our new normal" gets a week in the Barrel.

Can we ban "We're all in this together" while we're at it?

Posted by: Guy Smiley at April 15, 2020 03:02 PM (SAK2A)

Add " be safe".

Posted by: tubal at April 15, 2020 03:02 PM (90T4r)

290 the report is garbage, because everyone knows you can't trust the Jooos...

///// (in case you needed to be told)

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 15, 2020 03:02 PM (5ua3Z)

291 Huh. That's new information for me. I thought it was strictly airborne.
Posted by: grammie winger at April 15, 2020 02:59 PM (lwiT4)

yes, fecal - oral is also a possible transmion pathway, as the virus can also attack the intestines (there are ace2 receptors somewhere there too)

probably why some infected ppl get a day if throwing up and diarrhea before they get pneumonia

Posted by: vmom 2020 at April 15, 2020 03:03 PM (G546f)

292 It is all BULLSHIT. This lockdown was a test to see how easily Americans and others take to fascist/communist control.

I'm sad to report that the test worked beyond the fascists and commies wildest expectations.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at April 15, 2020 03:03 PM (pw+jk)

293 Now I'm locked down, AND I'm not allowed to fling shit at people.
Just freaking great.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2020 03:03 PM (e284m)

294 289 282 272 Next person who says "This is our new normal" gets a week in the Barrel.

Can we ban "We're all in this together" while we're at it?

Posted by: Guy Smiley at April 15, 2020 03:02 PM (SAK2A)

Add " be safe".

"Wash your hands" (#$@! Greg Gutfeld before every commercial.)

Posted by: Guy Smiley at April 15, 2020 03:03 PM (SAK2A)

295 well here in PA we cannot possibly forget about the tranny aspect

since every damn day we get to look out our tranny dept of health shemale

(shivers)

Posted by: THE_BlackOrchid_STATE! at April 15, 2020 03:03 PM (j9HX3)

296 The only way to avoid Fart Infection is to light them. Kill. With fire!!!

Posted by: tubal at April 15, 2020 03:03 PM (90T4r)

297 .Can we ban "We're all in this together" while we're at it?

Posted by: Guy Smiley

and any reference to 'these uncertain times'

Posted by: DB- just DB. at April 15, 2020 03:03 PM (iTXRQ)

298 Willowed
Appreciate hogmartin's photos.

The Detroit papers have really good overhead photos. Plus individual photos, including one of a gal riding her horse with an American Flag down the sidewalk of the statehouse.

Scroll through the photos.

https://tinyurl.com/yx5noz9e
Posted by: Jen the original at April 15, 2020 02:55 PM (Asyn9)

Posted by: Jen the original at April 15, 2020 03:04 PM (Asyn9)

299 Our local health unit divides the confirmed Corona virus numbers into Long term care, staff (hospital long term home), and general public.

The long term care residents can not be isolated from the staff. Staff take protective measures, but they are on the front lines, and do become ill. They have children, who are in day-care, they have spouses. They will have to have some interaction with the larger society.

Social isolation can not be complete. It is a pretty crude tool.
So the best you can do is end up with a slower rate of infection. In the area of our health unit, 6 long term care homes have residences with the virus.

206 lab confirmed cases including 25 deaths to date as of 4:00 PM:
Community cases 26%
Long-term care/retirement residence cases 55%
Healthcare worker cases 19%
25 deaths (22 long-term care, 3 community)
It is possible that we can not 'bend the curve' or end up with significantly different outcomes.
Trudy

Posted by: Trudy at April 15, 2020 03:04 PM (J2vnE)

300 Minnesota is still heading to its peak. Two more weeks. Wisconsin hit theirs last week.

The biggest class of ill and hospitalized are the Congregant Living cohort, ie nursing and senior homes.

Posted by: rd at April 15, 2020 03:04 PM (+0uDE)

301 I just saw a banner flash across a cable channel show. Text HUNGRY to 123456 (not the actual number) to donate money for all the chirrens who aren't in class but still need their gov't provided school meals, h8ters, because they're all gonna starve if you don't!

Posted by: Lady in Black, sans mask at April 15, 2020 03:04 PM (O+I8R)

302 Everyone knows it's G5. Saw it on an internet video.

Posted by: socalcon at April 15, 2020 03:04 PM (Roy2Z)

303 If you get this thing, the survival /recovery rate is approaching 98-99%. Totally agree that I do not want to get sick with anything. But I'm not going to let it rule my life. Sadly I have to allow the Democrats to rule my life.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 15, 2020 02:53 PM (pS94+)

It's quite possible, and not just wishful thinking possible, when all is said and done the survival rate is going to be something like 99.8%.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 15, 2020 03:04 PM (hku12)

304 Maybe at some poing its better to get it, see if your the lucky ones who get over it quick or not. Kind of like going over the top in WWI

Posted by: Skip at April 15, 2020 03:04 PM (ZCEU2)

305 The Chinese virus is the one issue that could guarantee demorats sweep the coming election. Even Judicial Watch acknowledges that electronic voting opens up election fraud abuses to run rampant.
(More rampant that a pandemic flue virus, I suspect)
President Trump may not even have a chance in the coming election !

Posted by: ron n. at April 15, 2020 03:04 PM (om5HK)

306 286
Wait
You can get it by farts?
Posted by: Yo!

Wet farts -- yes.

Silent but deadly farts are safe, though.

Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2020 03:04 PM (N9G0H)

307 289 282 272 Next person who says "This is our new normal" gets a week in the Barrel.

Can we ban "We're all in this together" while we're at it?

Posted by: Guy Smiley at April 15, 2020 03:02 PM (SAK2A)

Add " be safe".
Posted by: tubal

social distancing

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 15, 2020 03:04 PM (d7Ww2)

308 292 It is all BULLSHIT. This lockdown was a test to see how easily Americans and others take to fascist/communist control.

I never thought we'd allow our state to be SIP for over TWO weeks

we're now in Week Six

Posted by: THE_BlackOrchid_STATE! at April 15, 2020 03:04 PM (j9HX3)

309 Unless you're an ATM. ATMs ran OS/2 for a long time and some still do.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 15, 2020 03:01 PM (hYcqw)

Warp! was the IP Networkable PC OS that was really largely first in the market to provide virtualization. You could open DOS windows in a separate memory space of different versions.

It was strong.....

Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 15, 2020 03:04 PM (Zz0t1)

310
Remember how we all laughed at Glenn Beck's Agenda 21 and Overton Window theories?

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 15, 2020 03:05 PM (2ROZf)

311 I know!
let's all tie yellow ribbons to our front doors until the lockdowns are lifted

Posted by: DB- just DB. at April 15, 2020 03:05 PM (iTXRQ)

312
Whose poop was the first to hit the fan anyway?

Posted by: Yo! at April 15, 2020 03:05 PM (uZuKb)

313 This is why I go out as much as possible. This is
why I do not wear a mask. I'm speaking as an immune-compromised person.
Ask anyone in my family. I have said this was BS from the start.
Posted by: grammie winger

I said it from jump street. No one's numbers were adding up.

The Diamond Princess Cruise Ship, which was the perfect petri dish, never became the floating graveyard they were predicting.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 15, 2020 03:05 PM (GvEen)

314 The biggest class of ill and hospitalized are the Congregant Living cohort, ie nursing and senior homes.

and I'm still super suspicious about that

how is it STILL GETTING IN?!!

and hitting every. single. patient?!?!

oh and hey there PGiS!!!!

Posted by: THE_BlackOrchid_STATE! at April 15, 2020 03:05 PM (j9HX3)

315 Fredo's big brother signs executive order for NY to wear masks outdoors.

Says NY'ers will police themselves by shaming those that aren't wearing masks on the street corner.

Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 15, 2020 03:05 PM (Zz0t1)

316 remember, swallowing little amounts of saliva over a long period of time, causes death.

Posted by: Archer at April 15, 2020 03:06 PM (gmo/4)

317 "Grim Milestone" (that resurrected Gulf War favorite)

Posted by: Guy Smiley at April 15, 2020 03:06 PM (SAK2A)

318 Life causes death.
I'm a deep thinker.

Posted by: Archer at April 15, 2020 03:06 PM (gmo/4)

319 @240: "Disproven in preliminary research. German researches found samples of virus all over a household where everyone got infected, but back in the lab could not create any active virus that could infect a person. It was all dead RNA."

Bonn virologist Hendrik Streeck?

Most of the articles quoting his "research" more or less conclude by saying they haven't done enough research to know how long the virus truly survives outside the human body.

News reports were relying a summary judgment of his initial findings; more suspicion than genuine research.

It's a complicated subject with way too many variables to be sorted out so quickly.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at April 15, 2020 03:06 PM (+oVP5)

320 And just how is this virus going to help Democrats win
Texas? Bullshit!

Posted by: AnnaS at April 15, 2020 03:06 PM (l4l/z)

321 I've been wondering about this. If we're all living in a bubble, isn't this all going to start over once the lockdowns are lifted and people start interacting again?
Posted by: Jordan61 at April 15, 2020 02:34 PM (Ez6QX)

I think the plan is to reduce the immediate cases in order to not flood the hospitals (like we saw in Italy, especially). Fauci has been clear that there will be another period of infections with the virus this Fall.

But, yeah, we need to get back to work sooner rather than later.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at April 15, 2020 03:06 PM (pJWtt)

322 @realDonaldTrump 3 min ago

We are having very productive calls with the leaders of every sector of the economy who are all-in on getting America back to work, and soon. More to come! #MAGA

Posted by: Tami at April 15, 2020 03:06 PM (cF8AT)

323 also, this pandemic needs a song
a theme, some visuals
someone get the Fad King on the phone

Posted by: DB- just DB. at April 15, 2020 03:06 PM (iTXRQ)

324 swallowing little amounts of saliva over a long period of time, causes death.

___

WHAT?
Oh I thought you said semen.

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at April 15, 2020 03:07 PM (WdocV)

325 309
Unless you're an ATM. ATMs ran OS/2 for a long time and some still do.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 15, 2020 03:01 PM (hYcqw)

Warp! was the IP Networkable PC OS that was really largely first in
the market to provide virtualization. You could open DOS windows in a
separate memory space of different versions.

It was strong.....

Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 15, 2020 03:04 PM (Zz0t1)
The only true operating system is a Guardian operating system running on a Tandem(NOT HP!) NonStop

Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2020 03:07 PM (e284m)

326 History shows that most pandemics run their course in 2 or so years.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at April 15, 2020 03:07 PM (FKi9J)

327 272 Next person who says "This is our new normal" gets a week in the Barrel.

Can we ban "We're all in this together" while we're at it?

Posted by: Guy Smiley at April 15, 2020 03:02 PM (SAK2A)

Add " be safe".

Posted by: tubal at April 15, 2020 03:02 PM (90T4r)

I grind my teeth to a pulp whenever Bret Baier and the other talking faces on Fox say "We're all in this together!"

No, you're not in anything with the rest of us, so STHU. Keep drawing your fat paychecks and just READ THE NEWS.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 15, 2020 03:07 PM (ptqGC)

328 I'm sad to report that the test worked beyond the fascists and commies wildest expectations.

--

See, pessimistic me doesn't believe that. I think people are/were willing to do what they thought/think is necessary based on what we've been told. But after several weeks, there is a real undercurrent going on and people are getting sick and tired of this crap. Of course, the loony left is eager to do as they're told forevermore. But if this goes on much longer, ordinary Americans are going to start an uproar over this penned-up existence we've been forced into.

Posted by: Lady in Black, sans mask at April 15, 2020 03:07 PM (O+I8R)

329 253Mass transit, high density housing

Posted by: CN at April 15, 2020 03:07 PM (ONvIw)

330
Remember a few weeks ago when I suggested (not seriously) this would
be a great time for a Red Dawn type of invasion by China, NK, Soviets, and Cuba and you all laughed and told me I was stupid?

Tell me again who will stop a Red Dawn invasion today if it happened.

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 15, 2020 03:07 PM (2ROZf)

331 >And just how is this virus going to help Democrats win
Texas? Bullshit!
Posted by: AnnaS

their wet dream is to turn Texas blue, or at least purple

Posted by: DB- just DB. at April 15, 2020 03:07 PM (iTXRQ)

332
WHAT?
Oh I thought you said semen.

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at April 15, 2020 03:07 PM (WdocV)
Bet you were worried there for a sec weren't ya bigears.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2020 03:07 PM (e284m)

333 I know!
let's all tie yellow ribbons to our front doors until the lockdowns are lifted
Posted by: DB- just DB. at April 15, 2020 03:05 PM (iTXRQ)

#FreeOurWorkers

Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 15, 2020 03:07 PM (Zz0t1)

334 "major companies are trying to get everyone tested and entered into a database for tracking."

in time, only those that got it and recovered would be OK to be in public ... so we might as well give it to everyone on a controlled basis, get it over with. We already avoided the overwhelming the hospital thing (lie).

Otherwise, they keep everyone in a box till Gates can sell his vaccine, (which if it is like his polio vaccine, will give people Corvid-19 ... AND polio)

Posted by: illiniwek at April 15, 2020 03:07 PM (Cus5s)

335 yes, fecal - oral is also a possible transmion pathway
======

I'm so fucked...

Posted by: Anderson Cooper at April 15, 2020 03:07 PM (vg8iE)

336 i thought covid-19 would be worse than this. it's still a dangerous virus but not that bad.

democrats are taking one from the bolshevik playbook and using it as a pretext to takeover - http://danashman.com/2020/04/15/covid-19-response-communist-takeover-of-america/

Posted by: dan at April 15, 2020 03:07 PM (+xOnM)

337 Did SARS have a second wave?
Posted by: CN at April 15, 2020 02:55 PM (ONvIw)

As I recall, not at all.
Posted by: tubal at April 15, 2020 02:56 PM (90T4r)

This is another area where important research is going to be had. How different is this virus from its close cousins?

All those differences are going to tell us things that will help us know whether the virus started from bat soup or in a lab.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 15, 2020 03:08 PM (hku12)

338 and I'm still super suspicious about that

how is it STILL GETTING IN?!!

Posted by: THE_BlackOrchid_STATE! at April 15, 2020 03:05 PM (j9HX3)

Presumably asymptomatic workers bring it in.

Posted by: ... at April 15, 2020 03:08 PM (FBu6l)

339 This is why I go out as much as possible. This is

why I do not wear a mask. I'm speaking as an immune-compromised person.
Ask anyone in my family. I have said this was BS from the start.

Posted by: grammie winger

Yep...both hubby and I take the same approach. Got the stink-eye from a masked Walmarteer the other morning. Didn't bother me none.

I do imagine that Guv Pritz is going to mandate masks now that NY has. If he were smart, he'd mandate them for CHI, and no where else in the state.

But he'll go whole hog, as ever.

Posted by: lizabth at April 15, 2020 03:08 PM (L3Rsz)

340 327 And he's not drawing the fat check from home

Posted by: CN at April 15, 2020 03:08 PM (ONvIw)

341 I love how now that we've fucked over the whole world on the advice of epidemiologist fuckheads who are more than likely former climate change modelers we are now hearing from other "experts" how this whole thing is a fucking joke. Yeah no shit sherlock.

You know how many people have died of chinese lung aids in Canada? Around 1000. For fucks sakes more people kill themselves with dope a year in one province than this stupid thing.

At this point people are SO CONVINCED that the "flatten the curve" bullshit is the only course of action they'll accept a year of this crap.

Posted by: james at April 15, 2020 03:08 PM (MNBUP)

342 I think Trump is playing it smart. He says he has "absolute authority," the Dems scream "NO!" and then he says, "OK, the ball is in your court, govs. YOU open when you see fit to open."

The red states with few cases will open first. When that goes well, people with Dem lockdown crazy govs will be jealous of their red state neighbors who get to do things like go to work and shop and drive to their lake homes. There will be pressure on the Dems to reopen.

The D governors might be getting off on this, but even liberals are going to get sick of sitting at home instead of hanging out at their favorite latte place.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V at April 15, 2020 03:08 PM (d6Ksn)

343
their wet dream is to turn Texas blue, or at least purple
Posted by: DB- just DB. at April 15, 2020 03:07 PM (iTXRQ)

They got their dicks and nips hard over how well Beta O'Cuck did against Cruz.

They think they've got a REAL CHANCE to fuck on prom night now.

Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 15, 2020 03:08 PM (Zz0t1)

344 Tell me again who will stop a Red Dawn invasion today if it happened.

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 15, 2020 03:07 PM (2ROZf)
Us old shits, and we don't retreat because we're too freaking slow to get away.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2020 03:08 PM (e284m)

345 Serious question re" the Israeli study:

If lockdowns do nothing, THEN HOW IS THE VIRUS JUMPING FROM PERSON TO PERSON.

Is it just in the breath?

Are only marginal people on the fringes of society who aren't social distancing the ones who spread it, lockdown or no lockdown?

Or what?
Posted by: zombie
----
Because it isn't a true lock down. People are still going out to get groceries, meds., take out food, etc. Essential workers still have to go to work. People are still getting and being exposed.

Posted by: lin-duh at April 15, 2020 03:08 PM (UUBmN)

346 272 Next person who says "This is our new normal" gets a week in the Barrel.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 15, 2020 03:01 PM (ptqGC)

What if we express it as a Molar solution instead?

Posted by: Buzzion at April 15, 2020 03:08 PM (Sg/64)

347 Cuomo just mandated every NY citizen statewide must wear a yellow star.

Every citizen.

State wide.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at April 15, 2020 03:09 PM (+fPHo)

348
also, this pandemic needs a song

a theme, some visuals

someone get the Fad King on the phone

Posted by: DB- just DB. at April 15, 2020 03:06 PM (iTXRQ)

My submission for song = Kung Flu Fighting by Carl Douglas

Posted by: Archer at April 15, 2020 03:09 PM (gmo/4)

349 205 Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle

are you really in Seattle?

because we may be the only two on this side of the state.
Posted by: nurse ratched at April 15, 2020 02:53 PM (d7Ww2)

Hah! I reside in the sprawling metropolis of Woodinville, with the highest proportion of two bit winerys per person in the known world.
It will always be known to me as Hootersville.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at April 15, 2020 03:09 PM (e1mEI)

350 Warp! was the IP Networkable PC OS that was really largely first in the market to provide virtualization. You could open DOS windows in a separate memory space of different versions.

It was strong.....
Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 15, 2020 03:04 PM (Zz0t1)
++++++++++++
Yes. And it found a major niche in embedded networked systems like ATMs. The Microsoft/IBM pissing match and massive market power that MS and Windows had accumulated made OS/2 fail on the ecosystem side of things. And NT put it in its grave as a general purpose OS.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 15, 2020 03:09 PM (hYcqw)

351 Ace, JJ, and CBD all live in and around NYC. NYC is the epicenter. I'm not sayin', just sayin.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy. COVID Free since 1975 at April 15, 2020 02:57 PM (dNzKv)

If Ace were a Joooo I would say YES! We have a conspiracy. But I think he is a Mick.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo...Anti-Semite at April 15, 2020 03:09 PM (dLLD6)

352 I just saw a banner flash across a cable channel show. Text HUNGRY to 123456 (not the actual number) to donate money for all the chirrens who aren't in class but still need their gov't provided school meals, h8ters, because they're all gonna starve if you don't!
Posted by: Lady in Black

Not my monkeys, not my circus.

Take that $3k I paid into school taxes and feed them since you didn't need it all for the schools this year anyway.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 15, 2020 03:09 PM (GvEen)

353 The monsters have arrived on Maple street.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 15, 2020 03:09 PM (aKsyK)

354 I wonder what fabulous take out is being provided for the network staffs? I bet it's not hardship food from home?

Posted by: CN at April 15, 2020 03:10 PM (ONvIw)

355 You can watch any three spins on the roulette wheel, and find 'a pattern'. That doesn't mean that you should bet the house on the next spin.
Posted by: GnuBreed at April 15, 2020 02:39 PM (Z4rgH)

>>> that wouldn't be a pattern

patterns over time, not small anecdotes

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 15, 2020 02:46 PM (8fB/R)

Oh but I disagree. The 3 spins is a Fact. The results are a Fact, not an anecdote. And humans are very adept at finding 'patterns' in meaningless noise.

Because we want to make sense of things. It's our attempt to explain what we observe. Take the HCQ observations, for example. We now have lots of anecdotes that this drug combo helps. It is still not a fact, but many health care professionals are taking it as a prophlyactic, because it's a good damn bet.

It's still not a Fact.

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 15, 2020 03:10 PM (Z4rgH)

356 My fishwrap featured a homeless couple living in a tent here near downtown.

They both said they're not worried about the virus because "We live outside, and we're both fairly young and healthy."

I think the living outside thing may be key.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 15, 2020 03:10 PM (ptqGC)

357 Next person who says "This is our new normal" gets a week in the Barrel.

Can we ban "We're all in this together" while we're at it?

Posted by: Guy Smiley at April 15, 2020 03:02 PM (SAK2A)

Add " be safe".
Posted by: tubal

social distancing
=====

"Stay Healthy!

Posted by: bicentennialguy at April 15, 2020 03:10 PM (vg8iE)

358 >>? A tranny calling ximself Unicorn Spacecraft Zeta who has to sit in awkward silence watching Home Improvement repeats with his dad.

"Hey folks, what time is it? It's TOOL TIME!"

Zeta bolts up and runs screaming from the room "Reeeeee! Stop talking about my ladyyyyyyy peeeeenisssss!!!"

Posted by: Lizzy at April 15, 2020 03:10 PM (bDqIh)

359 And just how is this virus going to help Democrats win
Texas? Bullshit!
Posted by: AnnaS

their wet dream is to turn Texas blue, or at least purple
----
I live here...it sure feels purple already.

Posted by: lin-duh at April 15, 2020 03:10 PM (UUBmN)

360 And why, exactly, should we trust HIS models above the others?

The fact is, Sweden has higher corona death rates than their neighboring others. A LOT more. Now, there can be an argument that they will come out better in the long run, due to herd immunity, but that is yet unproven.

My model says that all models are full of shit, or conjecture, but mainly shit.
Posted by: GnuBreed at April 15, 2020 02:37 PM (Z4rgH)

-------

He didn't model, he did data analysis.

You still think this is early February. We have lots of data to analyze now.

Posted by: MAGA at April 15, 2020 03:10 PM (ZxRLB)

361 11 Serious question re" the Israeli study:

If lockdowns do nothing, THEN HOW IS THE VIRUS JUMPING FROM PERSON TO PERSON.

Is it just in the breath?

Are only marginal people on the fringes of society who aren't social distancing the ones who spread it, lockdown or no lockdown?

Or what?
Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2020 02:34 PM (N9G0H)

Good questions.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V at April 15, 2020 03:11 PM (d6Ksn)

362
Unless you're an ATM. ATMs ran OS/2 for a long time and some still do.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 15, 2020 03:01 PM (hYcqw)

ATMs, PBXs, IVRs, ACDs, POSs, kiosks, and pretty much anything that needed to be bulletproof on commodity Intel hardware ran on OS/2.

I was an OS/2 guy by way of S/370 work before I moved on. Got into it because OS/2 nodes running Communications Manager could replace functions of a half-dozen different pieces of equipment on the raised floor from RJE/print stations and establishment controllers all the way up to 37xx front-end processors running PEP.

It used to make me chuckle after Microsoft flooded the space with NT4.0 ("Windows Not There") when I saw BSODs on monitors in public places.

Posted by: fktheleft at April 15, 2020 03:11 PM (I54dk)

363 My favorite model is Elisabeth Hurley.

Posted by: nip at April 15, 2020 03:11 PM (Izot6)

364 339

I do imagine that Guv Pritz is going to mandate masks now that NY has. If he were smart, he'd mandate them for CHI, and no where else in the state.

But he'll go whole hog, as ever.
Posted by: lizabth at April 15, 2020 03:08 PM (L3Rsz)

Pritzker going whole hog. Of course, just look at the guy.

Posted by: tubal at April 15, 2020 03:11 PM (90T4r)

365 @291: "... as the virus can also attack the intestines (there are ace2 receptors somewhere there too)"

Speaking from personal experience, I'll say that I've had a second wave of lingering symptoms after the chest stuff subsided, and they include some weird ass, dull but persistent lower gu pain.

No digestion issues, but it feels like intestines, kidneys, bladder, lymph nodes, etc., are all active in ways they haven't been before. Nothing major or worrisome, just different.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at April 15, 2020 03:11 PM (+oVP5)

366 I grind my teeth to a pulp whenever Bret Baier and the other talking faces on Fox say "We're all in this together!"

No, you're not in anything with the rest of us, so STHU. Keep drawing your fat paychecks and just READ THE NEWS.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 15, 2020 03:07 PM (ptqGC)

And I crack up every time I see that commercial with Dana Perino and Jasper holding some stuffed toy in his mouth. I immediately think of the Horde and their opinion of Perino.

Posted by: Jen the original at April 15, 2020 03:11 PM (Asyn9)

367 They are calling the New York City strain Type 1 (or A, I can't remember), whereas the Wuhan strain is Type 2.

Why, I don't know.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 15, 2020 02:51 PM (hku12)

Are Chinese who travel to and from the west coast and those traveling to and from New York traveling from different regions in China?

Could travelers from different regions of China bring different variations of coronavirous?

Posted by: Willard at April 15, 2020 03:11 PM (nd/mG)

368 I saw Unicorn Spacecraft Zeta open for Ziggy Stardust -- or maybe it was Ziggy Stardust opening for himself -- at Nippon Geisha Hall in '82.

Posted by: ShainS -- Which Communist Chinese country funds American media and politicians? at April 15, 2020 03:11 PM (9JdMX)

369 None of this bullshit matters

Oops.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - END THE LOCKDOWN : It's just a damn bug at April 15, 2020 03:11 PM (G1eBa)

370 *lower gut

Posted by: Walter Freeman at April 15, 2020 03:11 PM (+oVP5)

371 I'm still waiting for NYC to go OVER the brink since I was told NYC was "on the brink" sometime last weekend.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at April 15, 2020 03:11 PM (j3npP)

372 Both of these things can't be true:

1. Lockdown has no effect.
2. Surge after lockdown.

1. ORANGEMANBAD instituted lockdowns and they were worthless!

2: Orangemanbad lifted the lockdowns, we are all going to die!

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy. COVID Free since 1975 at April 15, 2020 03:11 PM (dNzKv)

373 There were some interesting posts over at city-data. One person had sold their place in OR. They traveled to Pennsylvania, then decided to go back to stay in OR when the lockdown hit. They are trying to decide if they can go back across country. There were other folks in the same situation. I suspect most will just roll the dice and move. I would.

Posted by: notsothoreau at April 15, 2020 03:11 PM (JKNZq)

374 I think things get back to "normal" reasonably quickly. I don't mean economically. I mean behaviorally we will find a level. It's what humans do.

Posted by: ... at April 15, 2020 03:11 PM (FBu6l)

375 Remember a few weeks ago when I suggested (not seriously) this would
be a great time for a Red Dawn type of invasion by China, NK, Soviets, and Cuba and you all laughed and told me I was stupid?

Tell me again who will stop a Red Dawn invasion today if it happened.
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 15, 2020 03:07 PM (2ROZf)

Duhhh ! Wolverines !

Posted by: Somewhere on Ventura Highway at April 15, 2020 03:12 PM (WF/xn)

376 @274

Lock downs don't work.

My friends mom died today, she was diagnosed with COVID, she was in a nursing home.

Perhaps the most locked down place after a prison.

And the disease seems to be running all up and through every nursing home in America.

So people are actively and passively bringing this into places you would assume would be the safest places.

This is all so stupid and sad.

Posted by: Matt Hoffman at April 15, 2020 03:12 PM (V+U0x)

377 The monsters have arrived on Maple street.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr
This is quite apt. Gonna watch that one again.

Posted by: lizabth at April 15, 2020 03:12 PM (L3Rsz)

378 Nuke it for space. It's the only way to be sure.

Posted by: Archer at April 15, 2020 03:12 PM (gmo/4)

379 Text HUNGRY to 123456 (not the actual number) to donate money for all the chirrens who aren't in class but still need their gov't provided school meals, h8ters, because they're all gonna starve if you don't!

'Hunger' is the biggest scam in America right now. A rundown of the spending of the 'hunger' charities would be revealing.

Posted by: Angry Cuomo at April 15, 2020 03:12 PM (oVJmc)

380 F'ing Fredo sock off.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 15, 2020 03:12 PM (oVJmc)

381 357
Next person who says "This is our new normal" gets a week in the Barrel.

Can we ban "We're all in this together" while we're at it?

Posted by: Guy Smiley at April 15, 2020 03:02 PM (SAK2A)

Add " be safe".

Posted by: tubal

social distancing

=====

"Stay Healthy!

Posted by: bicentennialguy at April 15, 2020 03:10 PM (vg8iE)

Y'all act like the steers in the slaughter pen aren't heroic for standing there until they're led inside! They're HEROS! HEROS! I TELL YOU!

Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2020 03:12 PM (e284m)

382 It's all for NOTHING?????"

Oh you'll get more than nothing.

Posted by: UBI at April 15, 2020 03:13 PM (Gc+kL)

383 >> just saw a banner flash across a cable channel show. Text HUNGRY to 123456 (not the actual number) to donate money for all the chirrens who aren't in class but still need their gov't provided school meals, h8ters, because they're all gonna starve if you don't!

And without anyone even noticing, the U.S. pubic school system was converted into government soup kitchens! Feeding the children is their top priority.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 15, 2020 03:13 PM (bDqIh)

384 1400 dead today in france. Their shit is out of control.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy. COVID Free since 1975 at April 15, 2020 03:13 PM (dNzKv)

385 I live here...it sure feels purple already.

Posted by: lin-duh at April 15, 2020 03:10 PM (UUBmN)

Yeah mine feels purple most of the time.

Posted by: ... at April 15, 2020 03:13 PM (FBu6l)

386 I live here...it sure feels purple already.
Posted by: lin-duh at April 15, 2020 03:10 PM (UUBm

You're in Travis county right?

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at April 15, 2020 03:13 PM (FKi9J)

387 Ace is a Mick? Then the next Galactic MoMe should be at St. James Gate in Dublin or I shan't believe it.

Posted by: Shadout Mapes with A MASK ARE YOU HAPPY NOW at April 15, 2020 03:13 PM (PiwSw)

388 Cuomo can go to hell. No government can force you to wear anything.

Die in a fire, fuckhead.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 15, 2020 03:13 PM (VpIIl)

389 The only true operating system is a Guardian operating system running on a Tandem(NOT HP!) NonStop
Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2020 03:07 PM (e284m)
+++++++++++
No love for VMS? Or HPUX? Or Stratus?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 15, 2020 03:13 PM (hYcqw)

390 Next person who says "This is our new normal" gets a week in the Barrel.

Can we ban "We're all in this together" while we're at it?

Posted by: Guy Smiley at April 15, 2020 03:02 PM (SAK2A)

Add " be safe".

Posted by: tubal

We're here for you!

Posted by: The Barrel at April 15, 2020 03:13 PM (MxEKc)

391 Cindy Crawford vs Naomi Campbell.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 15, 2020 02:45 PM (gd9RK)

I find your comments interesting and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

Posted by: physics geek at April 15, 2020 03:13 PM (huQJB)

392 Out: Mask do nothing to stop the spread, don't wear them!!!

IN: Mask do nothing to stop the spread, you MUST wear them!!!

Posted by: lin-duh at April 15, 2020 03:14 PM (UUBmN)

393 382 It's all for NOTHING?????"

Oh you'll get more than nothing.
Posted by: UBI

You'll get nothing and like it!

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 15, 2020 03:14 PM (d7Ww2)

394 I'm still waiting for NYC to go OVER the brink since I was told NYC was "on the brink" sometime last weekend.
=======

#nextweek

Posted by: bicentennialguy at April 15, 2020 03:14 PM (vg8iE)

395

'Hunger' is the biggest scam in America right now. A rundown of the spending of the 'hunger' charities would be revealing.
Posted by: Angry Cuomo at April 15, 2020 03:12 PM (oVJmc)

I know a divorced woman that has custody of her 2 highschool aged kids. She makes +100k a year salary.

She's got the kids on the free food program because SINGLE MOM!!!!!!!

Even now, during the lock down, she can go to the school and pick up food.

Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 15, 2020 03:14 PM (Zz0t1)

396 Guardian operating system

"There is another..."

"This is the voice of World Control..."

Posted by: Archer at April 15, 2020 03:14 PM (gmo/4)

397 You bet, Tubal. Only way he knows to operate. The jowls on that guy!

Posted by: lizabth at April 15, 2020 03:14 PM (L3Rsz)

398 Says NY'ers will police themselves by shaming those that aren't wearing masks on the street corner.

Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 15, 2020 03:05 PM (Zz0t1)

---
give me crap about not having a mask, and, after i laugh at you, you'll get a block of instruction on why a mask actually increases your risk of personal infection, as well as being a vector to infect everyone you live with...

shame this, bitches.

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 15, 2020 03:14 PM (5ua3Z)

399 384: If Gatestone is to be believed, there are reasons for France's debacle

Posted by: CN at April 15, 2020 03:14 PM (ONvIw)

400 Because it isn't a true lock down. People are still going out to get groceries, meds., take out food, etc. Essential workers still have to go to work. People are still getting and being exposed.
Posted by: lin-duh

YoU can't completely shut down an entire country. You have to let some of them out. There's not enough military to go door to door throughout the entire country to distribute food.

Hell, we didn't shutter the entire country during the Spanish flu of 1918.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 15, 2020 03:14 PM (GvEen)

401
Do You Know WHY Democrat Governors Are Going To Mandate Masks?
No, it's not to prevent the spread of the chinese virus. It's purely political. Purely.

By mandating masks, it gives the D governors and the Democrat party and Fake News to Demand the president provide umpteen mask first, an idiotic demand that can't be met immediately. So "masks" are just another Political Cudgel.

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 15, 2020 03:15 PM (r1daS)

402 Jen thanks for that photo link, saw some on Fox news and didn't look that big, it was huuuuge!

Posted by: Skip at April 15, 2020 03:15 PM (ZCEU2)

403 No love for VMS? Or HPUX? Or Stratus?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 15, 2020 03:13 PM (hYcqw)

Plan 9

Posted by: Shadout Mapes with A MASK ARE YOU HAPPY NOW at April 15, 2020 03:15 PM (PiwSw)

404 some infected ppl get a day if throwing up and diarrhea

And who gets the "shit" jobs at nursing homes?

Posted by: DaveA at April 15, 2020 03:15 PM (FhXTo)

405 "Pearl Harbor moment"

Posted by: deplorable unperson - END THE LOCKDOWN : It's just a damn bug at April 15, 2020 03:15 PM (G1eBa)

406

The NHL was playing ice hockey all the way to March 11 when 5 games were played before fans. Is there any evidence of those fans getting wuhan lung aids at higher rates than anyone else? There were eight games played on March 10th and 5 on March 9th.

Posted by: Glenn John at April 15, 2020 03:15 PM (LilNs)

407 Explains the glee in the voices of some coworkers that despise Trump when they announce that my city/county has extended the stay at home orders. There's so much joy in their pronouncements that it's like they are announcing the birth of their child. Or the adoption of xer non-binary fetus, whatever.

Once it turned out that this wasn't going to eradicate a significant portion of the country and this turned into a Trump-Bash-A-Thon in the press and amongst employees at my job, I realized this isn't as serious as we've been led to believe and the lockdowns need to end on the latest guidance schedule at the end of April at worst.

Posted by: HumanNature at April 15, 2020 03:15 PM (jiRa1)

408 They are calling the New York City strain Type 1 (or A, I can't remember), whereas the Wuhan strain is Type 2.

Why, I don't know.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 15, 2020 02:51 PM (hku12)

Are Chinese who travel to and from the west coast and those traveling to and from New York traveling from different regions in China?

Could travelers from different regions of China bring different variations of coronavirous?
Posted by: Willard at April 15, 2020 03:11 PM (nd/mG)

Not sure. There is speculation a wave ran through Californica sometime in November/December, and the one in NYC is more virulent.

So yeah. It might be nice if we knew who was traveling to which region, and from where.

By the way, somebody said the other day, these viruses, the ones we've seen in the past that come from China, they don't come from the central, Wuhan region. This is another one of those ways this one is unique.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 15, 2020 03:15 PM (hku12)

409 I do imagine that Guv Pritz is going to mandate masks now that NY has.

If the government mandates masks, then the government has to provide them.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 15, 2020 03:16 PM (lwiT4)

410 In an abundance of caution, recognize that this is the new normal.
After all, we are all in this together.
Be well!

Posted by: Roland THTG at April 15, 2020 03:16 PM (88+cf)

411 We had a Vax that ran VMS and I took a class in it. Does that count?

Posted by: notsothoreau at April 15, 2020 03:16 PM (JKNZq)

412 No love for VMS? Or HPUX? Or Stratus?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 15, 2020 03:13 PM (hYcqw)

Stratus....slowly I turned....step by step...inch by inch....
Nah, 40+ years on the same box might have screwed up my objectivity just a little teeny bit

Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2020 03:16 PM (e284m)

413 #maskfreeorDIE

Posted by: deplorable unperson - END THE LOCKDOWN : It's just a damn bug at April 15, 2020 03:16 PM (G1eBa)

414 There's a great Red Dawn Filming Locations video by Youtuber AdamTheWoo that's fun.

It's just the in-town scenes. Nothing of the wilderness camp or the canyon where C Thomas Howell bought it. But the town stuff (Vegas, NM) is super cool. The drive in screen is still there, although the drive-in itself is long closed. Avenge me boys! AVENGE MEEE!!!!

Posted by: Guy Smiley at April 15, 2020 03:16 PM (SAK2A)

415 Heh. And some idiot posted on local NextD urging folks not to burn wood during this global crisis- 'could hurt compromised lungs of 1st responders!" despite the drastic reduction in car and diesel fumes. Its like we have to tend to every liberal pet cause because: 'rona.

Posted by: Rex B at April 15, 2020 03:16 PM (1Gdi8)

416 Eris and I tried to get to the Capitol but couldn't get any closer than a mile in either direction. Stopped for 15 minutes - not moving - on Michigan Ave westbound at Penn, and again from Washington/Capitol headed south at Oakland. Finally parked at Old Town and walked in via the River Trail, which was nice, because while we would have eventually made it by car, we got to see all the signs. Some very creative ones.

Cars we passed on the way in had moved about two blocks when we left an hour or so later.

Photo gallery:
https://stoatnet.org/opgridlock/

Video playlist:
https://tinyurl.com/vtoly4g

Posted by: hogmartin at April 15, 2020 03:17 PM (t+qrx)

417 We had a Vax that ran VMS and I took a class in it. Does that count?
Posted by: notsothoreau at April 15, 2020 03:16 PM (JKNZq)
+++++++++++++
Entirely. Full credit.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 15, 2020 03:17 PM (hYcqw)

418 Society is changing because of this virus. The old economy built around "employment", "jobs", and a bastardization of the concept of "freedom" is dead. We will all be equally free from toil, free to live life with all comforts guaranteed to all citizens. It's happening!

Posted by: No at April 15, 2020 03:17 PM (uedev)

419 Lock downs don't work.

My friends mom died today, she was diagnosed with COVID, she was in a nursing home.

Perhaps the most locked down place after a prison.

And the disease seems to be running all up and through every nursing home in America.

So people are actively and passively bringing this into places you would assume would be the safest places.

This is all so stupid and sad.

Posted by: Matt Hoffman at April 15, 2020 03:12 PM (V+U0x)

I am so horribly sorry for your friend.

As much as I miss my mom, her retirement home is under complete lockdown now, and I'd be unable to visit her.

I hate to say it, but even the best nursing and retirement homes can have some sketchy employees. And the vulnerable residents have no protection from them.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 15, 2020 03:17 PM (ptqGC)

420 I used to be a Tandem Computers programmer back when they were leading the market in fault tolerance hardware and software -- it was client-server before client-server was cool.

Anyway, I know a lot of their biggest client applications for ATMs and stock exchanges. I believe they were eventually acquired by HP.

Posted by: ShainS -- Which Communist Chinese country funds American media and politicians? at April 15, 2020 03:17 PM (9JdMX)

421 Lock downs don't work.

My friends mom died today, she was diagnosed with COVID, she was in a nursing home.

Perhaps the most locked down place after a prison.

And the disease seems to be running all up and through every nursing home in America.

So people are actively and passively bringing this into places you would assume would be the safest places.

This is all so stupid and sad.
Posted by: Matt Hoffman at April 15, 2020 03:12 PM (V+U0x)

Matt, unless a nursing home has negative pressure rooms available for all their patients( of course they don't), this infection will travel from patient to patient. There is a reason ICU wards that treat infectious respiratory agents are built the way they are and PPE protocols are done the way they are. There is no way a nursing home, staffed by almost all aids who have minimal training on infection control and limited PPE , are going to prevent transmission of very infectious diseases. Not to mention their populations are absolutely a dream pop for this virus.

Posted by: Jen the original at April 15, 2020 03:17 PM (Asyn9)

422 410 In an abundance of caution, recognize that this is the new normal.
After all, we are all in this together.
Be well!
Posted by: Roland THTG at April 15, 2020 03:16 PM (88+cf)

The Trifecta of Inanity.

Posted by: tubal at April 15, 2020 03:17 PM (90T4r)

423 We had a Vax that ran VMS and I took a class in it. Does that count?
Posted by: notsothoreau at April 15, 2020 03:16 PM (JKNZq)

I did as well. Programmed Pascal and Fortran on the VAX/VMS system out at Texas Tech.

We even had EMAIL ADDRESSES!!!

Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 15, 2020 03:17 PM (Zz0t1)

424 The Stratus Tandem Wars, they are ended.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2020 03:17 PM (e284m)

425 1200 dead now in Sweden pop 11M.

55 in Denmark
13 in Finland
146 in Norway

I don't buy the "lockdown doesn't matter" thing.

Posted by: The Judge at April 15, 2020 03:17 PM (GDjCl)

426 Did SARS have a second wave?
Posted by: CN at April 15, 2020 02:55 PM (ONvIw)

yes

Posted by: runner at April 15, 2020 03:17 PM (zr5Kq)

427 1400 dead today in france. Their shit is out of control.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy

DeBlasio added 3400 to NYC in a day. He simply reclassified them.

Trust no numbers anymore.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 15, 2020 03:17 PM (GvEen)

428 Er, in Lansing Michigan. Probably should've mentioned that part.

Posted by: hogmartin at April 15, 2020 03:17 PM (t+qrx)

429 So, in terms even knucklehead like me can understand - if you drop a pebble into a pond, no matter when, you will see ripples.

Posted by: Tonypete at April 15, 2020 03:17 PM (Y4EXg)

430 Fuck them. Not wearing mask.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at April 15, 2020 03:17 PM (ieuPy)

431 One would think, grammie. But since they feel any face covering will do, they'll expect us serfs to rip up our shirts or some such to bind our faces.

Posted by: lizabth at April 15, 2020 03:18 PM (L3Rsz)

432 I think things get back to "normal" reasonably quickly. I don't mean economically. I mean behaviorally we will find a level. It's what humans do.
Posted by: ...

One assumes by normal you mean the new normal.

Posted by: Sock Monkey...whistling the theme to the Andy Griffith show while I clean my guns at April 15, 2020 03:18 PM (xyWzI)

433 Next person who says "This is our new normal" gets a week in the Barrel.

Can we ban "We're all in this together" while we're at it?

Posted by: Guy Smiley at April 15, 2020 03:02 PM (SAK2A)

Add " be safe".

Posted by: tubal

We're here for you!
Posted by: The Barrel at April 15, 2020 03:13 PM (MxEKc)

My boss took the day off, so my quota of hearing these phrases has gone down exponentially.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 15, 2020 03:18 PM (hku12)

434 407 Explains the glee in the voices of some coworkers that despise Trump when they announce that my city/county has extended the stay at home orders. There's so much joy in their pronouncements that it's like they are announcing the birth of their child. Or the adoption of xer non-binary fetus, whatever.

Once it turned out that this wasn't going to eradicate a significant portion of the country and this turned into a Trump-Bash-A-Thon in the press and amongst employees at my job, I realized this isn't as serious as we've been led to believe and the lockdowns need to end on the latest guidance schedule at the end of April at worst.
Posted by: HumanNature at April 15, 2020 03:15 PM (jiRa1)

==========

Remember, when deaths come in at 60,000 instead of the originally projected 2.5 million, let them know that it's because Trump restricted travel from China when everyone else said that was racist.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at April 15, 2020 03:18 PM (LvTSG)

435
Nothing of the wilderness camp or the canyon where C Thomas Howell bought it

No Spoilers!!

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 15, 2020 03:18 PM (r1daS)

436 Be well!

Posted by: Roland THTG at April 15, 2020 03:16 PM (88+cf)

And fuck the benevolent Dr. Cockteau!

Posted by: Archer at April 15, 2020 03:18 PM (gmo/4)

437 GAH! Fox talking about the New Normal.

They're trying to convince us we need to stay locked down for eighteen months.

An awful lot of people will die from suicides and drug/alcohol abuse.

But Bret, Dana, Juan and the rest are "in this together!" with us.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 15, 2020 03:18 PM (ptqGC)

438 Welp so much for the sciency stuff...

Great job, DeWineMom.

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 15, 2020 03:19 PM (y7DUB)

439 Cops shot some guy at the hospital this morning.

Another Covid 19 death to lay at Trumps dirty feet.

Posted by: Roland THTG at April 15, 2020 03:19 PM (88+cf)

440 384 1400 dead today in france. Their shit is out of control.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy. COVID Free since 1975 at April 15, 2020 03:13 PM (dNzKv)

Yesterday, NPR was interviewing some piece of Eurotrash, a frog by the sound of it, who was exclaiming that Europeans were looking at the American handling of Wuhan flu with "horror."

I didn't listen to any more. I turned to channel and snapped "Look at your own backyard, asshole. Socialized medicine isn't saving you."

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V at April 15, 2020 03:19 PM (d6Ksn)

441 You can lock yourself down as much as you like, Judge. No one is making you go anywhere.

Posted by: lizabth at April 15, 2020 03:19 PM (L3Rsz)

442 Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 15, 2020 03:14 PM (Zz0t1)

Sounds like something Jwest would endorse.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at April 15, 2020 03:19 PM (FKi9J)

443 I use a colander to strain the kitty litter...then I make tea from it!

Posted by: Out of Shadows at April 15, 2020 03:19 PM (6Td99)

444 In theaters this spring-
Donald Sutherland in
"Karen"

https://tinyurl.com/uwjgxxt

Posted by: DB- just DB. at April 15, 2020 03:19 PM (iTXRQ)

445 Nursing homes always get "whatever is going around". Norovirus, Novavirus, Chinese virus.
They house a fragile population. They are staffed by poorly paid overworked staff that is mostly Asian. These places are sitting ducks for any type of illness.

Posted by: Cheribebe at April 15, 2020 03:20 PM (pGrg3)

446 @408: "So yeah. It might be nice if we knew who was traveling to which region, and from where."

Generally speaking, I'd assume earlier and more direct transmission from China to west coast US, whereas east coast US is more China via EU with more time (and genetic variation in patients) to allow for virus mutation.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at April 15, 2020 03:20 PM (+oVP5)

447 Damn...got here late. All the good Tool Time jokes had to have been made twice by now...

Posted by: garrett at April 15, 2020 03:20 PM (azg+y)

448
New York strain of virus was from Europe.

Posted by: Glenn John at April 15, 2020 03:20 PM (LilNs)

449 Brett, Dana, and Juan can get fucked.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at April 15, 2020 03:20 PM (ieuPy)

450 Mandated masks you say?

How about some that say

Is Asshoe

I'd buy that for a dollar...

Posted by: Shadout Mapes with A MASK ARE YOU HAPPY NOW at April 15, 2020 03:20 PM (PiwSw)

451 Also the staff at nursing homes are not being locked in with the patients. They still go home, go shopping, get gas, buy food, etc. when their shift is over. That is how the disease is getting in plus all the deliveries... so many ways...

Posted by: lin-duh at April 15, 2020 03:20 PM (UUBmN)

452 From face outward:

N95
Paint respirator
Collander
Hockey goalie mask

A race between asphyxiation and Chicom19.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at April 15, 2020 03:20 PM (e1mEI)

453 Heh. And some idiot posted on local NextD urging folks not to burn wood during this global crisis- 'could hurt compromised lungs of 1st responders!" despite the drastic reduction in car and diesel fumes. Its like we have to tend to every liberal pet cause because: 'rona.
Posted by: Rex B

Ima be burning some wood tonight and then throwing steaks on over the embers.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 15, 2020 03:20 PM (GvEen)

454 Shit, the Chinese Flu dissolved 90% of No's brain.

Oh, wait, no, that's just how it normally talks.

My mistake.

Posted by: COVID screener at April 15, 2020 03:20 PM (XQpcb)

455 As some Moron once stated:

"Respiratory virus outbreaks and forest fires have a lot of similarities. They require a spark, an initial point of entry. They require a susceptible population with environmental or cultural conditions that allow for it to start to spread. They both thrive on unaffected regions and can expand slowly at first, then rapidly. They both are capricious and nondiscriminatory in their destructiveness. They both are largely impervious to the puny efforts of man to contain them once they are in full swing. And neither of them goes on forever."

Posted by: Muldoon at April 15, 2020 03:21 PM (m45I2)

456 Anyway, I know a lot of their biggest client
applications for ATMs and stock exchanges. I believe they were
eventually acquired by HP.

Posted by: ShainS -- Which Communist Chinese country funds American media and politicians? at April 15, 2020 03:17 PM (9JdMX)

Indeed they were acquired by HP. Made sense since they were an HP offspring of sorts. Big phone switch systems, wire funds transfer, ATM systems.

HP has pissed on everything I once held dear. EDS, Tandem.
Then they rewrote the TAL OS.

HP is the devil.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2020 03:21 PM (e284m)

457 Posted by: hogmartin

that's awesome, hogmartin, thank you for sharing!

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 15, 2020 03:21 PM (d7Ww2)

458 And the disease seems to be running all up and through every nursing home in America.

***

Respiratory issues are one of the most common killers of the elderly to begin with. Unless you locked the staff at these facilities in with the residents as part of the "lockdown" you are still going to expose the residents.

Which again points out the stupidity of what we've done.

So let me run through a what if here.

Imagine that we didn't close the schools, factories, and offices. Instead we locked down elderly housing in a *real* lock down *with* the staff say offering them double salary to make it worth their while. Open similar facilitates for other people with serious health conditions and lock them down as well. Keep them in this state until we have a vaccine.

For the cost of maybe a few billion I bet you'd save more lives that we have so far spending trillions.

Posted by: 18-1 at April 15, 2020 03:21 PM (WdocV)

459 I've been burning cherry wood in the wood-stove all day. It's glorious.

Posted by: lizabth at April 15, 2020 03:21 PM (L3Rsz)

460 Modeling has changed quite a bit ever since Testers changed their glue formula

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid, at April 15, 2020 03:21 PM (Vy7tf)

461 I saw Unicorn Spacecraft Zeta open the wrong bathroom door at Target in 2019.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 15, 2020 03:22 PM (DMUuz)

462

Meh, another model. If in fact social distancing can kick the peak down the road six months, that's a good thing. Because in six months, we have testing in place, and possibly proven therapies, which we did not have a month ago.
Posted by: hawkpilot

Given the infectiousness of this thing, that's exactly right. Lockdown is a time-buying strategy, nothing more. Once the advantage of time is exhausted (people dying from being locked at home), there's no basis for population-wide isolation. It's not a herd immunity argument, it's an inevitability argument. The disease is incredibly infectious, and minimally fatal (far more so to several somewhat overlapping demographics)

Posted by: imp at April 15, 2020 03:22 PM (uKiy5)

463 @419

But you would think they would have instant read thermometers to check staff, gloves and masks and have sanitation staff to clean and disinfect the place.

These nursing homes aren't cheap.

It's so sad.

Posted by: Matt Hoffman at April 15, 2020 03:22 PM (V+U0x)

464 OT:

Via Julie K. Brown on Twitter:

BREAKING: Despite calling the Jeffrey Epstein case "a national disgrace," a federal appeals court has ruled against Epstein's victims, saying that his plea deal, which included immunity for his co-conspirators, was legally executed. 1)

Posted by: Augustine at April 15, 2020 03:22 PM (Alp4m)

465 Unicorn Spacecraft Zeta

That sounds like a Hawkwind album.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at April 15, 2020 03:23 PM (SAK2A)

466 415 Heh. And some idiot posted on local NextD urging folks not to burn wood during this global crisis- 'could hurt compromised lungs of 1st responders!" despite the drastic reduction in car and diesel fumes. Its like we have to tend to every liberal pet cause because: 'rona.
Posted by: Rex B at April 15, 2020 03:16 PM (1Gdi

Reusable grocery bags aren't such a good idea these days, though, are they?

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V at April 15, 2020 03:23 PM (d6Ksn)

467 Indeed they were acquired by HP. Made sense since they were an HP offspring of sorts. Big phone switch systems, wire funds transfer, ATM systems.

HP has pissed on everything I once held dear. EDS, Tandem.
Then they rewrote the TAL OS.

HP is the devil.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2020 03:21 PM (e284m)
+++++++++++++++
HP got Tandem by getting Compaq. Compaq owned Tandem when HP took it over. And HP's server line (ProLiant) traces its lineage back to Compaq.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 15, 2020 03:23 PM (hYcqw)

468 I'm predicting a vaccine by end of November early December.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at April 15, 2020 03:23 PM (FKi9J)

469 I'm not going to say, I told you so, but.............

I knew this was a scam from the beginning.

Posted by: Sooner at April 15, 2020 03:23 PM (Fs5vw)

470 @376: "And the disease seems to be running all up and through every nursing home in America."

I think that was a big reason for the early panic and huge emphasis on social distancing.

COVID-19 was always gonna get into the nursing homes, everywhere in the country, and those old folks are significantly more vulnerable to the disease.

It was just a question of how soon and how fast it would spread.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at April 15, 2020 03:23 PM (+oVP5)

471 GAH! Fox talking about the New Normal.

They're trying to convince us we need to stay locked down for eighteen months.

An awful lot of people will die from suicides and drug/alcohol abuse.

But Bret, Dana, Juan and the rest are "in this together!" with us.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 15, 2020 03:18 PM

***

Those Fu*ktards in congress have been trying to figure out a way to get their hands on the Trillion or so of real cash in savings and investments for some time now. I guess this is the only way.

Posted by: Diogenes at April 15, 2020 03:24 PM (axyOa)

472
Heh. And some idiot posted on local NextD urging folks not to burn wood during this global crisis- 'could hurt compromised lungs of 1st responders!" despite the drastic reduction in car and diesel fumes. Its like we have to tend to every liberal pet cause because: 'rona.
Posted by: Rex B at April 15, 2020 03:16 PM (1Gdi

I have a shitload of polystyrene from packaging taking up space in my garage. They're marked with those recycling runes, but the dump will not accept it.

I was going to wait until Earth day to burn it (waited too long to get a tire to burn this year), but now I'm itching to fire up the burn barrel today.

Posted by: fktheleft at April 15, 2020 03:24 PM (I54dk)

473 Epstein had Covid-19 virus!

Posted by: CDC at April 15, 2020 03:24 PM (88+cf)

474 And the disease seems to be running all up and through every nursing home in America."

Sounds like a headline about a year ago regard to STDs.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at April 15, 2020 03:24 PM (FKi9J)

475 1200 dead now in Sweden pop 11M.

55 in Denmark
13 in Finland
146 in Norway

I don't buy the "lockdown doesn't matter" thing.

Sweden has almost exactly the same case rate per 1M population as Denmark and Norway. You'll have to find another explanation for the extra deaths.

Posted by: spindrift at April 15, 2020 03:24 PM (XQpcb)

476 Do You Know WHY Democrat Governors Are Going To Mandate Masks?
No, it's not to prevent the spread of the chinese virus. It's purely political. Purely.

By mandating masks, it gives the D governors and the Democrat party and Fake News to Demand the president provide umpteen mask first, an idiotic demand that can't be met immediately. So "masks" are just another Political Cudgel.

Posted by: Soothsayer

It's not Unca Sugar's job to provide masks.

9th and 10th Amendment, bitchez!

Posted by: rickb223 at April 15, 2020 03:24 PM (GvEen)

477 +++++++++++++++

HP got Tandem by getting Compaq. Compaq owned Tandem when HP took it
over. And HP's server line (ProLiant) traces its lineage back to
Compaq.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 15, 2020 03:23 PM (hYcqw)
That's right! I completely forgot about the Compaq years!

Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2020 03:24 PM (e284m)

478 Those that whine about HCQ successes being anecdotal never seem to whine about "lockdown" successes as being even more anecdotal.

(I say 'more' because there is less of a direct line observation between purported cause and purported efffectl.)

Posted by: Muldoon at April 15, 2020 03:24 PM (m45I2)

479 France has 248,573 sq miles
Texas has 268,597 sq miles
Texas has 318 deaths from Covid-19

Posted by: Skip at April 15, 2020 03:24 PM (ZCEU2)

480 I'm not going to say, I told you so, but.............

I knew this was a scam from the beginning.

Posted by: Sooner

yep

Posted by: deplorable unperson - END THE LOCKDOWN : It's just a damn bug at April 15, 2020 03:24 PM (G1eBa)

481 453 Ima be burning some wood tonight and then throwing steaks on over the embers.
Posted by: rickb223

Nice! Hope you have a good beverage picked out to go with that.

Posted by: Rex B at April 15, 2020 03:25 PM (1Gdi8)

482
The DOJ, headed by the useless cuck assho Barr, had no interest in prosecuting Epstein before and after his murder.

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 15, 2020 03:25 PM (r1daS)

483 Photo gallery:

https://stoatnet.org/opgridlock/

Video playlist:

https://tinyurl.com/vtoly4g

Posted by: hogmartin at April 15, 2020 03:17 PM (t+qrx)

Awesome!
The fact that you couldn't get near means the protest was a success, since they wanted to put everything in gridlock.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at April 15, 2020 03:25 PM (ufFY8)

484 I have to say, I am really happy the Kentucky lawmakers slapped down Beshear's veto of the voter ID law. That makes me grin from ear to ear.

Posted by: lizabth at April 15, 2020 03:25 PM (L3Rsz)

485

This garbage about Wuhan virus coming from Europe is utterly retarded (which is actually an insulting comparison to the mentally handicapped, who are smarter than the mouth breathers spouting such inanity).

Where do you think Europe got it, imbecile?

Posted by: imp at April 15, 2020 03:25 PM (uKiy5)

486 And the disease seems to be running all up and through every nursing home in America."

Sounds like a headline about a year ago regard to STDs.
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at April 15, 2020 03:24 PM (FKi9J)

For STDs point of entry was slightly different.

Posted by: runner at April 15, 2020 03:25 PM (zr5Kq)

487 Minnesota's Chinese Coronavirus update by the Governor and company has so far covered the new Insulin Law which gives diabetics free Emergency Insulin, Tornado awareness, Unemployment Benefits, and they did squeeze in some actual Disease information.

Posted by: rd at April 15, 2020 03:25 PM (+0uDE)

488 Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2020 03:21 PM

Miss us yet?

Posted by: Carly Fiorina & Meg Whitman at April 15, 2020 03:25 PM (DMUuz)

489 I have a shitload of polystyrene from packaging taking up space in my garage. They're marked with those recycling runes, but the dump will not accept it.

I was going to wait until Earth day to burn it (waited too long to get a tire to burn this year), but now I'm itching to fire up the burn barrel today.
Posted by: fktheleft

Mix the polystyrene with gasoline and soap flakes.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 15, 2020 03:25 PM (GvEen)

490 Hogmartin--thank you for what you did today, and for providing great pictures and videos.

Posted by: Ladyl at April 15, 2020 03:26 PM (TdMsT)

491 479 suck it Frenchy

Posted by: Skip at April 15, 2020 03:26 PM (ZCEU2)

492 Heh. And some idiot posted on local NextD urging folks not to burn wood during this global crisis- 'could hurt compromised lungs of 1st responders!"

--

Ima thinking that if any first responders are in a situation with "compromised lungs," that they're already off duty and hermetically sealed in their homes or already in the hospital. IOW, they aren't going to be affected by somebody burning wood. But scolds gonna scold, no matter what, because it makes them feel important and "part of something."

Posted by: Lady in Black, sans mask at April 15, 2020 03:26 PM (O+I8R)

493 434 Remember, when deaths come in at 60,000 instead of the originally projected 2.5 million, let them know that it's because Trump restricted travel from China when everyone else said that was racist.

==========

They're still stuck on Trump recommending off label use of HCQ and how much blood he allegedly has on his hands for that. Oh, and that he doesn't know the difference between an antigen and antibody (which they also didn't know until looking the terms up on Wikipedia).

For real though, I don't stir the pot. I like my job and make a good living so I just hold my tongue and they assume I'm one of them. Makes for some good stories to tell I suppose.

Posted by: HumanNature at April 15, 2020 03:26 PM (jiRa1)

494 423
We had a Vax that ran VMS and I took a class in it. Does that count?

Posted by: notsothoreau at April 15, 2020 03:16 PM (JKNZq)

I did as well. Programmed Pascal and Fortran on the VAX/VMS system out at Texas Tech.

We even had EMAIL ADDRESSES!!!

Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 15, 2020 03:17 PM (Zz0t1)
Had to take a class in ADA on that system. Was trying to (re-)start my 4 yr degree at a new school. Already had Assoc. degree in Comp Sci, 10+ years experience and they wanted to put in Comp Sci 101 and learn ADA. Department head had her doctorate in Psychology I found out. She took just enough computer courses to so she could teach it. She was the one who taught the course. Needless to say, we didn't get along as I kept asking why the school wasn't teaching C or C++.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at April 15, 2020 03:26 PM (N39Ws)

495 You can't spell Injustice without dotting your i's and crossing your t.

Posted by: garrett at April 15, 2020 03:26 PM (azg+y)

496 Photo gallery:

https://stoatnet.org/opgridlock/

Video playlist:

https://tinyurl.com/vtoly4g

Posted by: hogmartin at April 15, 2020 03:17 PM (t+qrx)

I really wanted a pic of you and Eris doing a raised fist salute. Or middle finger.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 15, 2020 03:27 PM (ptqGC)

497
Mix the polystyrene with gasoline and soap flakes.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 15, 2020 03:25 PM (GvEen)

Acetone will turn it into a nice plastic cow patty.

Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 15, 2020 03:27 PM (Zz0t1)

498 Any word from the MI tyrant?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 15, 2020 03:27 PM (ptqGC)

499 BREAKING: Despite calling the Jeffrey Epstein case "a national disgrace," a federal appeals court has ruled against Epstein's victims, saying that his plea deal, which included immunity for his co-conspirators, was legally executed.

Posted by: Augustine

Just like he was!

Posted by: rickb223 at April 15, 2020 03:27 PM (GvEen)

500 "Yesterday, NPR was interviewing some piece of Eurotrash, a frog by the sound of it, who was exclaiming that Europeans were looking at the American handling of Wuhan flu with "horror."

I didn't listen to any more. I turned to channel and snapped "Look at your own backyard, asshole. Socialized medicine isn't saving you.""

EU media puts out the same TDS clickbait as ours, with the same result.

Trump just needs to figure out how to get the message across this fall that we've done much better than Europe with this, which is the fair comparison.

The Dems looking to hurt him by extending the most draconian version of lockdowns may just hand him the election.

Posted by: The Judge at April 15, 2020 03:27 PM (GDjCl)

501 @451: "Also the staff at nursing homes are not being locked in with the patients."

I've heard that some nursing homes are sub-dividing facilities.

Staff is carefully scheduled to only interact with specific patients, so they can compartmentalize infections, and it won't spread so quickly in a single nursing home.

Sounds like a good plan in theory, but I doubt it makes much of a difference in practice; maybe slows things down a couple of days.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at April 15, 2020 03:28 PM (+oVP5)

502 >>France has 248,573 sq miles

Equiv to Montana, I believe.

Posted by: garrett at April 15, 2020 03:28 PM (azg+y)

503 "Respiratory virus outbreaks and forest fires have a lot of similarities. They require a spark, an initial point of entry. They require a susceptible population with environmental or cultural conditions that allow for it to start to spread. They both thrive on unaffected regions and can expand slowly at first, then rapidly. They both are capricious and nondiscriminatory in their destructiveness. They both are largely impervious to the puny efforts of man to contain them once they are in full swing. And neither of them goes on forever."

whoever said this is brilliant

and whoever said this:

"Life finds a way."

..is Jeff Goldblum

Posted by: THE_BlackOrchid_STATE! at April 15, 2020 03:28 PM (j9HX3)

504 That fuck nj gov is now talking about not opening up till july---half the state will be in bankruptcy

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 15, 2020 03:28 PM (85Gof)

505 Mix the polystyrene with gasoline and soap flakes.
Posted by: rickb223 at

That sounds like a Smokey, smelly mess!

Posted by: Cheribebe at April 15, 2020 03:28 PM (pGrg3)

506 "Imagine that we didn't close the schools, factories, and offices. Instead we locked down elderly housing in a *real* lock down *with* the staff say offering them double salary to make it worth their while. Open similar facilitates for other people with serious health conditions and lock them down as well. Keep them in this state until we have a vaccine."

So explain how the elderly and sick lose all their rights and get house arrest? Honestly, I've worked in nursing homes and I don't see any way to keep them hospital clean.

Posted by: notsothoreau at April 15, 2020 03:28 PM (JKNZq)

507 This garbage about Wuhan virus coming from Europe is utterly retarded (which is actually an insulting comparison to the mentally handicapped, who are smarter than the mouth breathers spouting such inanity).

Where do you think Europe got it, imbecile?
Posted by: imp at April 15, 2020 03:25 PM (uKiy5)

----

One key is the European source of the Chinese Coronavirus seems to be more virulent than the Asian version.

NYFC Got theirs through Iran and Italy, and California got theirs from Asia. That may explain some, not all of the difference in deaths.

Posted by: rd at April 15, 2020 03:28 PM (+0uDE)

508 Needless to say, we didn't get along as I kept asking why the school wasn't teaching C or C++.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at April 15, 2020 03:26 PM (N39Ws)

I took a C class. The title of the syllabus was "The goto-less language."

My first program had a goto in it.......

The teacher was VERY disappointed in my effort.

Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 15, 2020 03:29 PM (Zz0t1)

509 The only true operating system is a Guardian operating system running on a Tandem(NOT HP!) NonStop

Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2020 03:07 PM (e284m)

________

Process Pair Programming and Checkpointing FTW! Unfortunately, the Guardian OS being proprietary might have killed Tandem -- its strength and weakness.

Posted by: ShainS -- Which Communist Chinese country funds American media and politicians? at April 15, 2020 03:29 PM (qFkYf)

510 The best part of all these years is being told COBOL was a dead language by my PASCAL instructor in 1977.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2020 03:29 PM (e284m)

511 Ima be burning some wood tonight and then throwing steaks on over the embers.
Posted by: rickb223

Nice! Hope you have a good beverage picked out to go with that.
Posted by: Rex B

Some Famous Grouse.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 15, 2020 03:29 PM (GvEen)

512 Posted by: Muldoon at April 15, 2020 03:24 PM (m45I

My main problem with the HCQ naysayers is how many deaths or issues are related to administering the HCQ? Basically what Trump said. What's the harm in trying?

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at April 15, 2020 03:29 PM (FKi9J)

513 Texas is bigger than France but France has twice as many people.

Posted by: lin-duh at April 15, 2020 03:29 PM (UUBmN)

514 Finland numbers not a surprise. They're consistently known as one of the world's most unfriendly people -- social distancing is in their blood.

Posted by: brak at April 15, 2020 03:29 PM (cG+eD)

515 >>NYFC Got theirs through Iran and Italy, and California got theirs from Asia. That may explain some, not all of the difference in deaths.

Cheap Chinese shit.

Posted by: garrett at April 15, 2020 03:30 PM (azg+y)

516 Photo gallery:
https://stoatnet.org/opgridlock/
Posted by: hogmartin at April 15, 2020 03:17 PM

Heavens to Murgatroid! A pitchfork displayed!

* vapors *

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 15, 2020 03:30 PM (DMUuz)

517 Noooooooodddddddd!!!!!

Posted by: cornbred at April 15, 2020 03:30 PM (TEQyn)

518 466 Reusable grocery bags aren't such a good idea these days, though, are they?
Posted by: Donna

We're talking Seattle. Have an elderly neighbor- both of her adult children are in their 60s. They caught the china virus in the Philippines and flew back here with it. Yet her daughter has on the twitter a graphic of how Trump dropped ghe ball on stopping it. Its crazy.

Posted by: Rex B at April 15, 2020 03:30 PM (1Gdi8)

519 504 That fuck nj gov is now talking about not opening up till july---half the state will be in bankruptcy

wtf omg

the jersey shore will be decimated!!!

what are they gonna do about everyone going to their shore homes hmm?

man he is an IDIOT

Posted by: THE_BlackOrchid_STATE! at April 15, 2020 03:30 PM (j9HX3)

520
Mix the polystyrene with gasoline and soap flakes.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 15, 2020 03:25 PM (GvEen)

A touch of acetone accelerates the gooing process.

Posted by: fktheleft at April 15, 2020 03:30 PM (I54dk)

521 Ima thinking that if any first responders are in a situation with "compromised lungs," that they're already off duty and hermetically sealed in their homes or already in the hospital. IOW, they aren't going to be affected by somebody burning wood. But scolds gonna scold, no matter what, because it makes them feel important and "part of something."
Posted by: Lady in Black, sans mask at April 15, 2020 03:26 PM (O+I8R)

This is the perfect time for the scolds to get out their favorite ax to grind. The anti-golf crowd has been pissed about golfers golfing. The anti-bicycle crowd wonders why those guys are still allowed to ride their bikes. The vegans are wondering why the meatpacking plants are still operating. This virus has a wonderful way of confirming that everyone was right about their pre-existing pet peeves.

Posted by: Wally at April 15, 2020 03:30 PM (V5EEH)

522 C - the language that not only lets you shoot yourself in the foot, it will load the gun and hand it to you....

Posted by: Shadout Mapes with A MASK ARE YOU HAPPY NOW at April 15, 2020 03:31 PM (PiwSw)

523 That sounds like a Smokey, smelly mess!
Posted by: Cheribebe

Sticks to everything!

Posted by: rickb223 at April 15, 2020 03:31 PM (GvEen)

524 But you would think they would have instant read thermometers to check staff, gloves and masks and have sanitation staff to clean and disinfect the place.

These nursing homes aren't cheap.

It's so sad.

Posted by: Matt Hoffman at April 15, 2020 03:22 PM (V+U0x)

Matt, they do have gloves and masks. But until this, the protocol is the same stuff we have heard for years, wash your hands, wear gloves when handling bodily fluids( to protect the worker) and don't come to work with a cold.
Over 50% of Covid 19 infections have no symptoms. The carriers had no idea they were infectious.

Paul Rand was interviewed the other day and he said the only reason he got tested was because he ignored the recommendation to not be tested unless you were symptomatic and got tested because he had been traveling in and out of the country extensively. Since he's an MD, he was able to be tested and that's when he was told he was positive. He said he had zero symptoms, including a fever.
Prior to his diagnosis, he was also told he didn't need to quarantine after attending a fund raising event in Louisville that had someone test positive shortly therafter. Told that unless he was in direct contact with the infectious person , he didn't need to quarantine. Ok, but what about all the other people he was around, who may have been infectious without symptoms at that point?

The temperature taking is one way to block someone with Covid19, but it doesn't catch the 50% who are asymptomatic.

Posted by: Jen the original at April 15, 2020 03:31 PM (Asyn9)

525
So explain how the elderly and sick lose all their rights and get
house arrest? Honestly, I've worked in nursing homes and I don't see any
way to keep them hospital clean.
***

You realize most of the country is in some form of house arrest right now right?

Posted by: 18-1 at April 15, 2020 03:31 PM (WdocV)

526 Hawkind reference!!!
(Lemmy played bass before Motorhead)

New band for MisHum next month?

In case of sonic attack on your district, follow these rules...

Posted by: stumck at April 15, 2020 03:31 PM (w9Wax)

527 Texas is bigger than France but France has twice as many people.
Posted by: lin-duh at April 15, 2020 03:29 PM (UUBmN)

TRUE

France 2020 population is estimated at 65,273,511 people at mid year according to UN data.

Texas has just under 30 million.

Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 15, 2020 03:31 PM (Zz0t1)

528 "Respiratory virus outbreaks and forest fires have a lot of similarities. They require a spark, an initial point of entry. They require a susceptible population with environmental or cultural conditions that allow for it to start to spread. They both thrive on unaffected regions and can expand slowly at first, then rapidly. They both are capricious and nondiscriminatory in their destructiveness. They both are largely impervious to the puny efforts of man to contain them once they are in full swing. And neither of them goes on forever."

Not my quote, but been saying this forever. To all of my family and friends. It's like a wildfire. Which explains many dead zones.

An ember lands...

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 15, 2020 03:31 PM (8fB/R)

529 Unscientifically speaking, what I see is danger in large groups in enclosed spaces that give viral overload. This is why you see nursing homes and nurses and sports teams lockerooms and NYC subway riders coming down with high rates of this.

For Pete's sake, open the windows, provide natural or artificial UV rays, stay off public transit and elevators and gyms.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 15, 2020 03:31 PM (r+sAi)

530 506 "Imagine that we didn't close the schools, factories, and offices. Instead we locked down elderly housing in a *real* lock down *with* the staff say offering them double salary to make it worth their while. Open similar facilitates for other people with serious health conditions and lock them down as well. Keep them in this state until we have a vaccine."

So explain how the elderly and sick lose all their rights and get house arrest? Honestly, I've worked in nursing homes and I don't see any way to keep them hospital clean.
Posted by: notsothoreau at April 15, 2020 03:28 PM (JKNZq)

------

I think everyone who gets it and dies will get it an die. It's an inevitable thingy.

Posted by: MAGA at April 15, 2020 03:32 PM (ZxRLB)

531
Process Pair Programming and Checkpointing FTW!
Unfortunately, the Guardian OS being proprietary might have killed
Tandem -- its strength and weakness.

Posted by: ShainS -- Which Communist Chinese country funds American media and politicians? at April 15, 2020 03:29 PM (qFkYf)
They eventually got around a lot of that for the average company by creating TMF. Especially since most programmers tried to just checkpoint EVERYTHING instead of, you know, figuring out what they needed and what they didn't. Fault tolerant programming is not for sissies.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2020 03:32 PM (e284m)

532 I don't buy the "lockdown doesn't matter" thing.
Posted by: The Judge at April 15, 2020 03:17 PM (GDjCl)
+++++++++++++++
The death rate is interesting and a major outlier, but the infection rate is not. I did some quick and dirty arithmetic @182 - of all her neighbors, only Finland is meaningfully smaller in terms of infection rate, and Sweden is doing better than France or Germany.

Yes, this is all dependent on reported positive tests and deaths and who knows the real denominator, but based on positive tests per 100k, Sweden is not an outlier. It is an outlier on deaths, which I wouldn't mind understanding better (add me to a pretty big club on that).

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 15, 2020 03:32 PM (hYcqw)

533 I just knew in size from my Napoleonic wanderings Texas is bigger by a little. So picture Texas taking over the Europe

Posted by: Skip at April 15, 2020 03:32 PM (ZCEU2)

534 So explain how the elderly and sick lose all their rights and get
house arrest? Honestly, I've worked in nursing homes and I don't see any
way to keep them hospital clean.
***

You realize most of the country is in some form of house arrest right now right?
Posted by: 18-1

Quarantine is when you restrict the movement of sick people.
Tyranny is when you restrict the movement of healthy people.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 15, 2020 03:33 PM (GvEen)

535 501 @451: "Also the staff at nursing homes are not being locked in with the patients."

I've heard that some nursing homes are sub-dividing facilities.

Staff is carefully scheduled to only interact with specific patients, so they can compartmentalize infections, and it won't spread so quickly in a single nursing home.

Sounds like a good plan in theory, but I doubt it makes much of a difference in practice; maybe slows things down a couple of days.
Posted by: Walter Freeman at April 15, 2020 03:28 PM (+oVP5)

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They are doing similar things in jails and prisons. They eat by cell blocks and don't mix. It doesn't stop the disease, but may make it possible to stop everyone from getting it.

Someone has to bring the disease into the facility. Usually it is the staff.

Posted by: rd at April 15, 2020 03:33 PM (+0uDE)

536 WHO is now spewing lies on top of lies about who they are and what they do because Trump pulled funding.

They're taking the news media stance. We don't pick sides, ever.

BWWWWWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

LOLGF.

Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 15, 2020 03:33 PM (Zz0t1)

537 When the history of this year is written our Economic Suicide will rank as the dumbest over-reaction possible to this virus and a perplexing moment in our national history. It will forever mar the Trump presidency and a full recovery could take years. Many people won't recover financially, ever.

Unemployed workers as far as the eye can see, devastated companies and bankruptcies everywhere. A close friend from college has been a hotel developer for years, and has built and run over twenty franchised hotels in his day. He still owns two but they are both now closed and all the employees laid off, because they have zero occupants. Another friend owns three restaurants in my area, all closed. Paying property taxes is the biggest business challenge now. Others I know started stores or architecture businesses, all gone. Most forever.

If a foreign enemy had started out to damage us badly, they couldn't have done a more thorough job.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, hunker in the bunker at April 15, 2020 03:33 PM (NVYyb)

538
Texas has just under 30 million.

Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 15, 2020 03:31 PM (Zz0t1)
that's okay, we can't feed that many prisoners anyway.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2020 03:33 PM (e284m)

539 Fuck the trannies. With the barbed cock of Satan.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 15, 2020 03:33 PM (miJU3)

540 I took a C class. The title of the syllabus was "The goto-less language."

My first program had a goto in it.......

The teacher was VERY disappointed in my effort.

Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 15, 2020 03:29 PM (Zz0t1)

__________

Pointers were a fancy term for GOTOs. ;-)

Posted by: ShainS -- Which Communist Chinese country funds American media and politicians? at April 15, 2020 03:33 PM (qFkYf)

541 "Are you really in Seattle? because we may be the only two on this side of the state."
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*waves to Paranoid and Nurse Ratched*

O, hai!!!

Posted by: fly gal at April 15, 2020 03:33 PM (DbUk1)

542 This virus has a wonderful way of confirming that everyone was right about their pre-existing pet peeves.

Posted by: Wally at April 15, 2020 03:30 PM (V5EEH)

Fvck you. We hate you.

Posted by: The Anti-Wally Guild at April 15, 2020 03:34 PM (dLLD6)

543 My memory is that North Italy has a lot of economic connections with Wuhan specifically.

If the CA connections are more with say Beijing or Shanghai it might explain the different behavior of the disease.

Basically China intentionally let people flee Wuhan - apparently in large measure to Italy...

Posted by: 18-1 at April 15, 2020 03:34 PM (WdocV)

544 >>> Meanwhile, a new paper shows that lockdowns do nothing to "flatten the curve" -- all they do is delay the exact same outbreak pattern until six months later.

I'm really not following the point of this post.

Is what is being said that the outbreak infects the exact same way. With the same number of people and the exact same time line? Or is what is being said that the number of infected remains a constant but the rate at which they become infected slows therefore you have the same number of cases but drawn out over a longer period?

If the latter is what is being said which is what it seems, then what you needs to be recognized recognize is if you take a one month pandemic and stretch it out over six months, while you are resource limited in treatment by say something that can only be used by only one patient at a time, like say ventilators, you reduce the total number of people who need ventilators at the same time by giving time for patients to recover and pass their ventilator on to the next patient.

Which is what I thought the stay at home order purpose was, slow the active patient increase so that ventilator production (ramping up by the end of this month) and treatment rollouts (hopefully wide scale coming soon) could could catch up and avoid shortages that would lead to a higher mortality rate.

Posted by: mikethemoose at April 15, 2020 03:34 PM (Y6UV7)

545 Sticks to everything!
Posted by: rickb223 at April 15, 2020 03:31 PM (Gv

You're a naughty little monkey!

Posted by: Cheribebe at April 15, 2020 03:34 PM (pGrg3)

546 hogmartin, I'm proud to know you. You and Eris stepped up today and you have my Thanks.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 15, 2020 03:35 PM (wO3uY)

547 So picture Texas taking over the Europe

Posted by: Skip at April 15, 2020 03:32 PM (ZCEU2)

Not much of a challenge. I'll bet Israel could conquer Europe.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 15, 2020 03:36 PM (dLLD6)

548 Let Bill Gates fund WHO if he's all butt hurt about the funding cut.

It's not the job of every American citizen to work to fund the WHO.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2020 03:36 PM (e284m)

549 Not much of a challenge. I'll bet Israel could conquer Europe.

***

[Europe] We demand a new Marshall Plan. All of our stuff is wrecked!

[Israel] Wait a minute, you surrendered before we actually invaded?!?

Posted by: 18-1 at April 15, 2020 03:37 PM (WdocV)

550
The death rate is interesting and a major outlier, but the infection rate is not. I did some quick and dirty arithmetic @182 - of all her neighbors, only Finland is meaningfully smaller in terms of infection rate, and Sweden is doing better than France or Germany.

Yes, this is all dependent on reported positive tests and deaths and who knows the real denominator, but based on positive tests per 100k, Sweden is not an outlier. It is an outlier on deaths, which I wouldn't mind understanding better (add me to a pretty big club on that).
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 15, 2020 03:32 PM

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Us Finns are a solitary, moody, ornery, and drunken lot. If we do not interact with anyone, it is hard for us to get sick. That is the reason so few Finns get infected.

Posted by: rd at April 15, 2020 03:37 PM (+0uDE)

551 hogmartin, I'm proud to know you. You and Eris stepped up today and you have my Thanks.
Posted by: Ben Had at April 15, 2020 03:35 PM (wO3uY)

This.

Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 15, 2020 03:37 PM (Zz0t1)

552 Pointers were a fancy term for GOTOs. ;-)

Posted by: ShainS -- Which Communist Chinese country funds American media and politicians? at April 15, 2020 03:33 PM (qFkYf)
Branch unconditional is a pretty fast instruction! Even EDS would let you do a GO TO to branch to the end of a paragraph. Language Purists are probably not the guys you want writing code you need to run like a bat out of hell.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2020 03:38 PM (e284m)

553 It's not for nothing if you assume that we'll make substantial progress on vaccines and testing in the next 1/2 year. I think we will do so.
Posted by: pep at April 15, 2020 02:37 PM (T6t7i)

Vaccines don't help if you are already infected. Research into finding the best treatment protocol should take precedence.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 15, 2020 03:39 PM (miJU3)

554 Hey! WE been NOODED!

Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2020 03:40 PM (e284m)

555 Hey rd,

Hyvaa Huomenta!

Kiitos!

Posted by: Shadout Mapes with A MASK ARE YOU HAPPY NOW at April 15, 2020 03:40 PM (PiwSw)

556 Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2020 03:32 PM (e284m)

_________

Right, the Transaction Monitoring Facility. I haven't thought about those old days in decades -- thanks for the trip down memory lane. Good times ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Which Communist Chinese country funds American media and politicians? at April 15, 2020 03:40 PM (qFkYf)

557 Posted by: mikethemoose <<<<<
I think that is probably correct, but with the one caveat that you don't do it nationally, you roll the quarantine through high infected areas not to ruin your whole f'ing economy.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 15, 2020 03:41 PM (r+sAi)

558
@543but it didn't spread to Beijing or Shanghai? Mighty suspicious, right there.To me, the biggest "tell" was the 10 articles of hysteria that all appeared on the front page of the Daily Mail on the same day, and the trolls who suddenly appeared on this blog. This was planned and coordinated.

Posted by: artemis at April 15, 2020 03:42 PM (AwPyG)

559
Just send me 50 Hot Babes and there will be NEW PORN for a fortnight every month the other fortnight will be for Pastoring the afflicted...................

Posted by: saf at April 15, 2020 03:42 PM (5IHGB)

560 Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2020 03:32 PM (e284m)

_________

BTW, I programmed as much in TAL as I could -- but kept getting my hand slapped since so few people were available to maintain it.

Posted by: ShainS -- Which Communist Chinese country funds American media and politicians? at April 15, 2020 03:42 PM (qFkYf)

561
BTW, I programmed as much in TAL as I could --
but kept getting my hand slapped since so few people were available to
maintain it.

Posted by: ShainS -- Which Communist Chinese country funds American media and politicians? at April 15, 2020 03:42 PM (qFkYf)

I have to program in C now, rather than TAL, though I prefer TAL.

But same reasoning applies. I'm being a good dobee even though no one would KNOW what I was coding in.
I enjoy it when I have to jump into the TAL routines, and find it amusing that the 'C' functions that are called, are just C wrappers for TAL procs.
Some of this code is 30 years old, in fact, I'm shutting off the modem dialing code right now.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2020 03:46 PM (e284m)

562 If the latter is what is being said which is what it seems, then what you needs to be recognized recognize is if you take a one month pandemic and stretch it out over six months, while you are resource limited in treatment by say something that can only be used by only one patient at a time, like say ventilators, you reduce the total number of people who need ventilators at the same time by giving time for patients to recover and pass their ventilator on to the next patient.

Which is what I thought the stay at home order purpose was, slow the active patient increase so that ventilator production (ramping up by the end of this month) and treatment rollouts (hopefully wide scale coming soon) could could catch up and avoid shortages that would lead to a higher mortality rate.
Posted by: mikethemoose at April 15, 2020 03:34 PM (Y6UV7)

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This bought us time. Hopefully we use it well.

Maybe HCQ will be a viable treatment. Even if it is only effective half the time, that means half the dead and dying. Saving potentially hundreds of thousands!

Here is an example, Minnesota made plans to double our ICU capacity, and then add another half the original capacity in another 3 days, basically from about 1,000 beds to 2,500 beds. They found ventilators in surgical, endoscopy, and other medical centers.
(None of this was needed, because we didn't go NYFC in our infections.

Look at the USN Hospital Ships, Mask and Face shield makers. We are getting new sources of supplies.

Hopefully HCQ will work.

Posted by: rd at April 15, 2020 03:46 PM (+0uDE)

563 Does anyone else see a Trump and GOP landslide in November? Or am I just jerking off in the wind ???

Posted by: James at April 15, 2020 03:52 PM (qM84C)

564 427 Trust no numbers anymore

numbers are asshoe

Posted by: Anachronda at April 15, 2020 03:53 PM (o2yR3)

565 Really this seems downright intellectually dishonest.

(1) It's ALWAYS been about buying time, so as to not overwhelm the medical system.
(2) When you get your curve later - instead of sooner - you can look for treatments and ramp up your production of medical supplies and resources. You can avoid being ITALY.
(3) Obviously SOME people will still get infected in a lockdown, and the more of that that goes on, the lower the curve is going to be later on, if only by a small amount. So the article makes no sense right off.
(4) Since the virus is spread human-to-human, the more the humans stay apart, the slower it will spread. It's pretty reasonable to assume that if the NYC area wasn't locked down right now we'd have the same situation as Italy - not enough beds and ventilators to treat the afflicted, resulting in MUCH more extreme fatalities. If the NYC area's curve has the same SHAPE, the AREA UNDER THE CURVE is MUCH, MUCH lower. It's pretty much akin to the concept of quarantine, which isn't "junk science".

Don't get me wrong - some of the shutdown rules are ridiculous and pure tyranny, and a lot of areas in shut down probably shouldn't be. We need to loosen up this shutdown and find a way to get back to work, bit by bit BEFORE the end of April - and we have to admit that if we lose a bunch of septuagenarians that it's an acceptable trade-off vs. destroying everybody else's lives.

Posted by: Optimizer at April 15, 2020 03:55 PM (hOOi9)

566 Note to self: in three weeks, look back on this analysis and predictions, and compare to events.

Posted by: Rollory at April 15, 2020 04:03 PM (Xkbmq)

567 From a death standpoint, Sweden looks *terrible* and that would be worth knowing more about. From an infection standpoint, though, it doesn't look bad compared to her neighbors (except Finland).
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 15, 2020 02:51 PM (hYcqw)

Sweden, France, and Germany all have a fuckton of muzzies, who normally have a rather tenuous grasp on the principles of hygiene.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 15, 2020 04:03 PM (miJU3)

568 550 ...

Us Finns are a solitary, moody, ornery, and drunken lot. If we do not interact with anyone, it is hard for us to get sick. That is the reason so few Finns get infected.
Posted by: rd at April 15, 2020 03:37 PM (+0uDE)

LOL! That explains some of the behavior in my own family.

We have just a smidgeon of Finnish genes - from WAY back (New Sweden, 1653), but you wouldn't believe all the Finns I have DNA matches to on MyHeritage.

My brother tells me the Finns are different from their neighbors, ethnically, too - have more in common with Hungarians and others. An interesting people, to be sure!

Posted by: Optimizer at April 15, 2020 04:06 PM (hOOi9)

569 "I'm really not following the point of this post."
He's saying the data on infections to date refutes the premise behind "flattening the curve" (which is that social distancing will stretch out a wave of infections over a longer timeframe). That data from multiple regions using very different mitigation measures follow a remarkably similar infection pattern. The time it takes for an infection pattern to play out is unaffected by social distancing and lockdowns. Social distancing just delays infections to subsequent waves.

Posted by: Brown Hornet at April 15, 2020 04:11 PM (l7udz)

570 It's a damn shame that paper isn't available in english.

Posted by: Ernst Schreiber at April 15, 2020 04:35 PM (xmKbk)

571 Note to self: in three weeks, look back on this analysis and predictions, and compare to events.
Posted by: Rollory at April 15, 2020 04:03 PM

One of those science deniers, we see!

Posted by: SJWs at April 15, 2020 04:37 PM (DMUuz)

572 I blame the parents.

Posted by: setnaffa at April 15, 2020 05:05 PM (c4NCi)

573 "The numbers told a shocking story: irrespective of whether the country quarantined like Israel, or went about business as usual like Sweden, coronavirus peaked and subsided in the exact same way."

Israel has reported 15 deaths per million persons, cumulatively, through today. The United States has reported 86 deaths per million persons, so far. Sweden has reported 119 deaths per million persons, and their daily figures are so uneven that it seems they must be suffering reporting delays. (Worldometers dot info is my source for these figures, on April 15, 2020.)

Maybe many of the states need to loosen their closures and bans. But the notion that such things simply make no difference seemed ridiculous, and the reported numbers support my opinion.

Ace, your judgment is usually much sharper than this. You need to slow down and think through what you read before becoming outraged.

Posted by: Clerby at April 15, 2020 06:39 PM (ZO8SI)

574 "Meanwhile, a new paper shows that lockdowns do nothing to 'flatten the curve' -- all they do is delay the exact same outbreak pattern until six months later."

Ace, that's not what the Lomborg said. He said, "*Strongest* lockdown *not* best. A really successful lockdown means almost no one gets infected in 1st wave, so the 2nd wave becomes almost as bad as not doing anything." The argument is against the strongest lockdowns, which don't cultivate any "herd immunity," and which therefore merely delay the inevitable epidemic.

Ace, as I keep saying, you need to slow down and think.

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