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Dr. Steven Smith: Hydroxychloroquine Works; "This is the beginning of the end of coronavirus"
This is not a study with a control group. It's a doctor giving the regimen to his patients and observing the results.
But the results are very encouraging. How any flu kills you (well, usually) is by causing respiratory arrest. The alevoli which are supposed to let oxygen into your lungs and carbon dioxide out fill up with liquid due to inflammation. This liquid then keeps the lungs from exchanging oxygen -- so you go through the motions of breathing, but you can barely get any oxygen into your blood. The last step doctors take to save a patient dying of respiratory arrest is to intubate him -- sticking a tube down his throat into his lungs to puff in air. Because most patients will fight against a tube down their throats, they have to be medically paralyzed -- or put into a medically-induced coma. Obviously, this not a good state to be in. People who are intubated often die. I heard -- don't quote this -- that once you're intubated, the odds that you'll ever come off it are basically fifty-fifty. It's a coin flip as to whether you'll die. This Dr. Smith did not have a control group, but he suggests that his patients can be divided into two different groups: those who arrived late to treatment and who therefore only got two days or less of hydroxychloroquine, and those who got in earlier and got the five days of hydroxychloroquine treatment he seems to recommend. Not really an actual control group but there is a difference in treatment. He says that of the patients he treated, only patients who had been on hydroxychloroquine for two days or less needed intubation. Anyone who was on hydroxychloroquine for five days or more did not need intubation. He said zero patients getting hydroxycloroquine had to be intubated. And intubation is really the sign that you have a good chance of dying. If that level of severe respiratory distress can be avoided by a cheap out-of-patent pill, then coronavirus just turns into a nasty but not very lethal flu. And no one shuts a country down due to Sneezing and Running Nose season. It's only the risk of severe respiratory arrest that makes this scary.* So he claims -- again, this is observational only; he did not divide his patients into control group and testing group and leave half his patients off the drug -- that based on his son's statistical analysis, it's close to impossible that it could just be random chance that only people who did only had two or fewer days of treatment would get intubated, and that no one getting five or more days of treatment would be intubated. Not proven -- yet. But as more and more "merely observational" reports come in, the case in favor of hydroxychloroquine gets stronger. And on the vaccine front: the University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine says that might have the vaccine ready.University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine scientists today announced a potential vaccine against SARS-CoV-2, the new coronavirus causing the COVID-19 pandemic. When tested in mice, the vaccine, delivered through a fingertip-sized patch, produces antibodies specific to SARS-CoV-2 at quantities thought to be sufficient for neutralizing the virus.An Israeli firm announced that it was ten days away from a vaccine. One or more of these groups will nail it.
* Okay I've also heard that coronavirus is also killing via heart attack, but the heart and lungs are interrelated. I have to think that a lack of oxygen will lead to heart attacks, as the heart needs oxygen to work, too.
Today, University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine @PittHealthSci scientists announced a potential vaccine against SARS-CoV-2, the new coronavirus causing the #COVID19 pandemic. https://t.co/ILW4IQfou7 pic.twitter.com/Y7l0SifBtn
— UPMC (@UPMCnews) April 2, 2020
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Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at April 02, 2020 11:55 AM (zZbCU)
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Posted by: IP - Still a 'ron at April 02, 2020 11:56 AM (CTv2h)
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Sounds promising
Posted by: It's me donna at April 02, 2020 11:56 AM (Nq3+Y)
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The Flu kills you by drowning you. Then, as you are drowning, the heart tries to pump harder and you may also have a heart attack.
I find it interesting that the people who say to just nuke the entire economy from orbit just to be sure are, in many cases, the same people freaking out that the not fish cleaner treatment may have some negative long term side effects.
Which is it? If even one life is saved or no?
I find it interesting that the people who say to just nuke the entire economy from orbit just to be sure are, in many cases, the same people freaking out that the not fish cleaner treatment may have some negative long term side effects.
Which is it? If even one life is saved or no?
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at April 02, 2020 11:57 AM (mf5HN)
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Yep. Pulmonary is pulmonary. It's just which gives out first.
Posted by: spongeworthy at April 02, 2020 11:57 AM (35Slc)
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Go long on aquarium supply shops.
Posted by: Joe Biden at April 02, 2020 11:57 AM (XVuno)
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Hope so - seems to be action on many fronts that look positive
Posted by: Greg61 at April 02, 2020 11:57 AM (N8mxX)
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All this positive news on the medicine will not be received well by the Left.
Trump must not 'win', people be damned
Trump must not 'win', people be damned
Posted by: McCool at April 02, 2020 11:57 AM (9X4u5)
Posted by: The FDA at April 02, 2020 11:57 AM (sX1BW)
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Read the content. =P
Posted by: Cold Rage at April 02, 2020 11:58 AM (OXSar)
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NOOOOO!!!
Coronavirus needs to finally spread into the red states and kill all the elderly Trump supporters!
You can't develop a cure yet!
OrangeManBad!
Coronavirus needs to finally spread into the red states and kill all the elderly Trump supporters!
You can't develop a cure yet!
OrangeManBad!
Posted by: The Media! at April 02, 2020 11:58 AM (I2/tG)
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My wife died of heart failure two years ago but she had the flu when she died.
I have no doubt she would be added to the COVID19 death stats if she had died today.
I have no doubt she would be added to the COVID19 death stats if she had died today.
Posted by: Northernlurker at April 02, 2020 11:58 AM (Uu+Jp)
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Wait until everyone figures out that it's been well established for a decade or more that this drug wipes out the flu virus.
All these tests and trials and studies the usual suspects are saying have to be done? Been done. Long time ago.
All these tests and trials and studies the usual suspects are saying have to be done? Been done. Long time ago.
Posted by: Hereogar at April 02, 2020 11:58 AM (eQ0LF)
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Clap!
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2020 11:58 AM (8fB/R)
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Has CNN doxxed this guy, yet?
Posted by: fluffy at April 02, 2020 11:58 AM (NGm/n)
Posted by: Erik L at April 02, 2020 11:58 AM (fMlmZ)
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Oh, this is shitty news.
Posted by: The MSM, Now With 22% More Added Truthy Goodness at April 02, 2020 11:58 AM (XVuno)
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9 We are going to need about 5-10 years to determine if this claim is true.
Meanwhile, stay inside.
Posted by: The FDA at April 02, 2020 11:57 AM (sX1BW)
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"Also, we've just spent six years figuring out that guns are bad for your skin and should be banned."
Meanwhile, stay inside.
Posted by: The FDA at April 02, 2020 11:57 AM (sX1BW)
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"Also, we've just spent six years figuring out that guns are bad for your skin and should be banned."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at April 02, 2020 11:58 AM (zZbCU)
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Not to be scary but I read a report that the Chinese virus also has the ability to get into and inactivate your red blood cells.
Nevertheless we'll get to drug therapy AND vacinne. Soon.
Nevertheless we'll get to drug therapy AND vacinne. Soon.
Posted by: torabora at April 02, 2020 11:59 AM (Y274z)
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The ingenuity of man when government gets the hell out of the way is amazing.
Posted by: IP - Still a 'ron at April 02, 2020 11:59 AM (CTv2h)
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The Left is accusing posts such as this as being snake oil salesmen, peddling false hope to desperate people...
Posted by: McCool at April 02, 2020 11:59 AM (9X4u5)
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Willowed:
Fauci has to go. Calling massive economic dislocation, millions of unemployed, businesses destroyed "inconvenient" this morning while suggesting a national lockdown is necessary should be the last straw for him. Trump, get rid of this little runt now or you will regret it.
Fauci has to go. Calling massive economic dislocation, millions of unemployed, businesses destroyed "inconvenient" this morning while suggesting a national lockdown is necessary should be the last straw for him. Trump, get rid of this little runt now or you will regret it.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at April 02, 2020 11:59 AM (QGI53)
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Smith's information lines up pretty well with the Jewish Dr. in NY who said something very similar on Giuliani's show. Get treated early and you'll be fine, in the ICU 50/50.
Posted by: Cold Rage at April 02, 2020 11:59 AM (OXSar)
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This means that Hydrox cookies will have some beneficial effect, right?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 02, 2020 11:59 AM (XVuno)
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Does this mean the Democrat convention in Milwaukee can proceed as planned?
Good, I"m looking forward to watching from afar.
Good, I"m looking forward to watching from afar.
Posted by: Pete Seria at April 02, 2020 12:00 PM (7ZQe3)
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I live in Canada. Trudeau does a presser every day at 11ish. Not once have I heard a reporter ask about hydroxychloroquine. I suspect it's because our even more liberal media won't ask about anything that Trump promotes
Posted by: Greg61 at April 02, 2020 12:00 PM (N8mxX)
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How any flu kills you (well, usually) is by causing respiratory arrest. The alevoli which are supposed to let oxygen into your lungs and carbon dioxide out fill up with liquid due to inflammation. This liquid then keeps the lungs from exchanging oxygen -- so you go through the motions of breathing, but you can barely get any oxygen into your blood.
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YOU LIE!!!!
IM TOLD BY MY BETTERS THAN COVID KILLS DIFFERENTLY THAN FLU!!!!
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YOU LIE!!!!
IM TOLD BY MY BETTERS THAN COVID KILLS DIFFERENTLY THAN FLU!!!!
Posted by: fixerupper at April 02, 2020 12:00 PM (nw6Hr)
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Encouraging news. What's needed now is a crash program to ramp up HCQ production. There are probably many chemical companies that could make it. Hell, Exxon could probably make it.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 02, 2020 12:00 PM (miJU3)
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As long as we have access to this drug -- and we're not dependent on other countries (China, India) for the supply needed Americans.
Posted by: Lizzy at April 02, 2020 12:00 PM (bDqIh)
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Pitt might get its Salk Part 2.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at April 02, 2020 12:00 PM (6OMwV)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 02, 2020 12:00 PM (A5zUN)
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The left clearly does not want this crisis to end, and does not want it to have been an issue mainly (not totally) confined to large metro areas. They do no care who is damaged in the process.
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at April 02, 2020 12:00 PM (JRaU+)
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Great news. CNN and MSNBC will bury it.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 02, 2020 12:00 PM (ptqGC)
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Praying that at least one of these solutions will work and we can move past this part, onto the election and subsequent total destruction of China from 2020-2024.
Posted by: Eli Cash at April 02, 2020 12:00 PM (67sg6)
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Hydrox cookies and bleach. You can make your own cure, peeple!
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 02, 2020 12:00 PM (XVuno)
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Close down Dr, Fauci. Reopen our economy. Hire the people back! Turn those machines back on!
Posted by: Huck Follywood, hunker in the barrel at April 02, 2020 12:00 PM (NVYyb)
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Let's get the Feds involved, so they can fuck it up.
Posted by: BignJames at April 02, 2020 12:00 PM (X/Pw5)
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the Trump Cure. 7 billion lives created or saved
Posted by: x at April 02, 2020 12:00 PM (nFwvY)
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Although we have defeated the threat of coronavirus, I've decided that I really, really, like being able to control people's movements.
From now on, like France, you'll need a pass from the authorities to leave your house.
Welcome to the future, serfs.
From now on, like France, you'll need a pass from the authorities to leave your house.
Welcome to the future, serfs.
Posted by: Blue State Governor! at April 02, 2020 12:01 PM (I2/tG)
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I saw this Man on Laura... He was serious about this and as near to positive as one can be
Posted by: It's me donna at April 02, 2020 12:01 PM (Nq3+Y)
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Point of order.
There are NO cures for any viral contagions. Only treatments.
That is all.
Carry on.
Point of order.
There are NO cures for any viral contagions. Only treatments.
That is all.
Carry on.
Posted by: fixerupper at April 02, 2020 12:01 PM (nw6Hr)
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Not to be scary but I read a report that the Chinese virus also has the ability to get into and inactivate your red blood cells.
Nevertheless we'll get to drug therapy AND vacinne. Soon.
Posted by: torabora at April 02, 2020 11:59 AM (Y274z)
I think this is where the doctors think the HCQ works since it seems to inhibit the binding of the malarial worms to the red blood cells, which may explain in part how it is working here.
Nevertheless we'll get to drug therapy AND vacinne. Soon.
Posted by: torabora at April 02, 2020 11:59 AM (Y274z)
I think this is where the doctors think the HCQ works since it seems to inhibit the binding of the malarial worms to the red blood cells, which may explain in part how it is working here.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at April 02, 2020 12:01 PM (QGI53)
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Well, relief from COVID-19 is good news for humanity; it will likely be received as bad news by the media.
Posted by: Test for Echo at April 02, 2020 12:01 PM (onMzM)
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There won't be a vaccine. Coronaviruses and Rhinoviruses (common colds) have never been susceptible to vaccination.
Posted by: dude at April 02, 2020 12:02 PM (hpbeA)
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Doesn't matter if they invent three hundred vaccines tomorrow.
The way things are run, none of us will get it for a year and a half, if then.
The way things are run, none of us will get it for a year and a half, if then.
Posted by: MW at April 02, 2020 12:02 PM (hNTtn)
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This morning on CNN, some mouthpiece was criticizing Pence for being hard on the CDC and the Chinese.
He actually said "We should be thanking the Chinese."
And Alisyn Airhead nodded sagely.
CNN can't die quickly enough.
He actually said "We should be thanking the Chinese."
And Alisyn Airhead nodded sagely.
CNN can't die quickly enough.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 02, 2020 12:02 PM (ptqGC)
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Willowed:
Fauci has to go. Calling massive economic dislocation, millions of unemployed, businesses destroyed "inconvenient" this morning while suggesting a national lockdown is necessary should be the last straw for him. Trump, get rid of this little runt now or you will regret it.
For doing his job?
Repeat:
Well from a purely medical standpoint, he is right. And it is his job to give a purely medical analysis.
The economic experts are saying we need to open back up this instant.
Trump takes all of their advise and decides.
Thank God!
Fauci has to go. Calling massive economic dislocation, millions of unemployed, businesses destroyed "inconvenient" this morning while suggesting a national lockdown is necessary should be the last straw for him. Trump, get rid of this little runt now or you will regret it.
For doing his job?
Repeat:
Well from a purely medical standpoint, he is right. And it is his job to give a purely medical analysis.
The economic experts are saying we need to open back up this instant.
Trump takes all of their advise and decides.
Thank God!
Posted by: db at April 02, 2020 12:02 PM (91dSm)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 02, 2020 12:02 PM (ejd/p)
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I pray the joos will come up with the vaccine.
Then all the muzzies can stand on principle and not benefit from anything Jewish.
Then all the muzzies can stand on principle and not benefit from anything Jewish.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 02, 2020 12:02 PM (W2taJ)
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Heart and lungs interrelated? Wow. It's almost like there's a cardiopulmonary system!
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 02, 2020 12:03 PM (DMUuz)
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s long as we have access to this drug -- and we're not dependent on
other countries (China, India) for the supply needed Americans.
I think its off patent and can be made genericallyso its probably made in India / China
But I'm sure any American or Euro pharma company could ramp up production if needed in the West.(not fast enough though)
other countries (China, India) for the supply needed Americans.
I think its off patent and can be made genericallyso its probably made in India / China
But I'm sure any American or Euro pharma company could ramp up production if needed in the West.(not fast enough though)
Posted by: McCool at April 02, 2020 12:03 PM (9X4u5)
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Trump right again.
Posted by: scottst at April 02, 2020 12:03 PM (/QQch)
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Goddam am I glad to see news like this. Between sitting at home trying not to become Jack Torrance and dealing with neighbors who are a) convinced we're heading towards "12 Monkeys" territory or b) get all their news from Facebook I was starting to feel a little despair. Which then unfortunately often mutates into aggressive anger. If this is legit, this is a giant ray of hope here.
Posted by: UGAdawg at April 02, 2020 12:03 PM (tRd71)
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Hydrox cookies and bleach. You can make your own cure, peeple!
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero)
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But it must be in the proper proportions! This is what Trump doesn't tell you!!1!
Hydrox cookies and bleach. You can make your own cure, peeple!
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero)
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But it must be in the proper proportions! This is what Trump doesn't tell you!!1!
Posted by: Mrs. Fish Tank Cleaner at April 02, 2020 12:03 PM (JPVyh)
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Well from a purely medical standpoint, he is right. And it is his job to give a purely medical analysis.
Usually when he gives his doom and gloom Birx comes on and contradicts him...
Well from a purely medical standpoint, he is right. And it is his job to give a purely medical analysis.
Usually when he gives his doom and gloom Birx comes on and contradicts him...
Posted by: It's me donna at April 02, 2020 12:03 PM (Nq3+Y)
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I find it interesting that the people who say to
just nuke the entire economy from orbit just to be sure are, in many
cases, the same people freaking out that the not fish cleaner treatment
may have some negative long term side effects.
Which is it? If even one life is saved or no?
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at April 02, 2020 11:57 AM (mf5HN)
It's madness. My sister was on it for decades before they decided it was time to take her off of it. You only have problems it you are on it for long periods of time.
Time to get back to work and unleash the drugs.
just nuke the entire economy from orbit just to be sure are, in many
cases, the same people freaking out that the not fish cleaner treatment
may have some negative long term side effects.
Which is it? If even one life is saved or no?
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at April 02, 2020 11:57 AM (mf5HN)
It's madness. My sister was on it for decades before they decided it was time to take her off of it. You only have problems it you are on it for long periods of time.
Time to get back to work and unleash the drugs.
Posted by: WOPR at April 02, 2020 12:03 PM (oSAHh)
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But Andrew Cuomo signed an executive order not permitting doctors to use these drugs outside of the clinical trial.
Instead, Cuomo at his press conference is talking to Chris Cuomo on video.
Of course, I want Chris to get better, but first responders, doctors, nurses, grocery workers and truck drivers are heroes in this crisis. Chris Cuomo is not.
Instead, Cuomo at his press conference is talking to Chris Cuomo on video.
Of course, I want Chris to get better, but first responders, doctors, nurses, grocery workers and truck drivers are heroes in this crisis. Chris Cuomo is not.
Posted by: mercenary13 at April 02, 2020 12:04 PM (r1mci)
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Fauci is an EndTimes fanboi.
He could be just saying it's not going to be as bad as it would have been if we did nothing. Full Stop there.
Instead he trots out numbers based on stupid models...like climate 'scientists' do.
Notice how weatherguessers can't tell us how many inches of snow Donner Pass will get next winter?
They don't know Schiff. Fauci needs to put a sock in it and get out of the President's limelight.
He could be just saying it's not going to be as bad as it would have been if we did nothing. Full Stop there.
Instead he trots out numbers based on stupid models...like climate 'scientists' do.
Notice how weatherguessers can't tell us how many inches of snow Donner Pass will get next winter?
They don't know Schiff. Fauci needs to put a sock in it and get out of the President's limelight.
Posted by: torabora at April 02, 2020 12:04 PM (Y274z)
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I pray the joos will come up with the vaccine.
Then all the muzzies can stand on principle and not benefit from anything Jewish.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 02, 2020 12:02 PM (W2taJ)
To be fair, the licking the door handle of the mosque thing seems to be working out pretty well for them.
Then all the muzzies can stand on principle and not benefit from anything Jewish.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 02, 2020 12:02 PM (W2taJ)
To be fair, the licking the door handle of the mosque thing seems to be working out pretty well for them.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 02, 2020 12:04 PM (XVuno)
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*falls face first into the blog*
OK...what did I miss.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 02, 2020 12:02 PM
Chaos on the ONT.
OK...what did I miss.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 02, 2020 12:02 PM
Chaos on the ONT.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 02, 2020 12:04 PM (DMUuz)
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Thinking we should put the whole country on 3 week regimen of chloroquine, zinc and a Z pak.
And then get back to work.
And then get back to work.
Posted by: Ernst Schreiber at April 02, 2020 12:04 PM (xmKbk)
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 02, 2020 12:04 PM (QzF6i)
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* Okay I've also heard that coronavirus is also killing via heart attack, but the heart and lungs are interrelated. I have to think that a lack of oxygen will lead to heart attacks, as the heart needs oxygen to work, too.
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Technically...... ALL deaths are due to heart failure.
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Technically...... ALL deaths are due to heart failure.
Posted by: fixerupper at April 02, 2020 12:04 PM (nw6Hr)
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Well from a purely medical standpoint, he is right. And it is his job to give a purely medical analysis.
The economic experts are saying we need to open back up this instant.
Trump takes all of their advise and decides.
Thank God!
Posted by: db at April 02, 2020 12:02 PM (91dSm)
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Gee, it's almost like the manager of a multi-billion dollar business might be well-suited to the job of President.
The economic experts are saying we need to open back up this instant.
Trump takes all of their advise and decides.
Thank God!
Posted by: db at April 02, 2020 12:02 PM (91dSm)
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Gee, it's almost like the manager of a multi-billion dollar business might be well-suited to the job of President.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at April 02, 2020 12:05 PM (WEBkv)
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Ante noon ace!
I also find myself going to bed earlier and getting up earlier. Strange.
Posted by: Aetius451AD
I'm the opposite since my work commute is from the bedroom to the living room.
I also find myself going to bed earlier and getting up earlier. Strange.
Posted by: Aetius451AD
I'm the opposite since my work commute is from the bedroom to the living room.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 02, 2020 12:05 PM (W2taJ)
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Now that we have defeated coronavirus, we can return to earlier public health campaign - convincing New Yorkers that they should have sex with people who are HIV-positive.
Posted by: NYC Department of Health! at April 02, 2020 12:05 PM (I2/tG)
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He says that of the patients he treated, only patients who had been on hydroxychloroquine for two days or less needed intubation. Anyone who was on hydroxychloroquine for five days or more did not need intubation.
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This is consistent with what the Hassidic doctor from NY indicated he was doing with his group. He encouraged *early* engagement with HCQ, Z-pak and Zinc for two groups:
- Elderly or with comorbidities, regardless of symptom severity.
- Anyone with breathing difficulty, regardless of age or comorbidities.
I think the words he used during an interview were "hit it early and hard."
He was using the full cocktail, not just (hydroxy)chloroquine, but it was a similar layout. Get in early, assume the worst with high-risk groups, and hit it.
++++++++++++
This is consistent with what the Hassidic doctor from NY indicated he was doing with his group. He encouraged *early* engagement with HCQ, Z-pak and Zinc for two groups:
- Elderly or with comorbidities, regardless of symptom severity.
- Anyone with breathing difficulty, regardless of age or comorbidities.
I think the words he used during an interview were "hit it early and hard."
He was using the full cocktail, not just (hydroxy)chloroquine, but it was a similar layout. Get in early, assume the worst with high-risk groups, and hit it.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 02, 2020 12:05 PM (Q8c/L)
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>>I also find myself going to bed earlier and getting up earlier. Strange.
Ugh, yes, messed up sleep patterns!
My hubby and son are going nocturnal, staying up later and sleeping through the morning, when possible. I am SO over this shelter in place!
Ugh, yes, messed up sleep patterns!
My hubby and son are going nocturnal, staying up later and sleeping through the morning, when possible. I am SO over this shelter in place!
Posted by: Lizzy at April 02, 2020 12:05 PM (bDqIh)
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Gee, it's almost like the manager of a multi-billion dollar business might be well-suited to the job of President.
Sure, but he's no Hillary Clinton.
Sure, but he's no Hillary Clinton.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 02, 2020 12:05 PM (XVuno)
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Label the vaccine "May contain Pig blood".
Posted by: klaftern at April 02, 2020 12:05 PM (RuIsu)
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>44
There won't be a vaccine. Coronaviruses and Rhinoviruses (common colds) have never been susceptible to vaccination.
Posted by: dude at April 02, 2020 12:02 PM (hpbeA)
Lets shut her down! Dr Dude, internationally known epidemiologist and raconteur has weighed in definitively. I'm convinced!
There won't be a vaccine. Coronaviruses and Rhinoviruses (common colds) have never been susceptible to vaccination.
Posted by: dude at April 02, 2020 12:02 PM (hpbeA)
Lets shut her down! Dr Dude, internationally known epidemiologist and raconteur has weighed in definitively. I'm convinced!
Posted by: Muad'dib at April 02, 2020 12:05 PM (sjdRT)
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And no one shuts a country down due to Sneezing and Running Nose season. It's only the risk of severe respiratory arrest that makes this scary.
and possible long term lung damage and capacity
For some survivors, coronavirus complications can last a 'lifetime'
https://tinyurl.com/so4htwo
As the number of worldwide confirmed coronavirus cases climbs towards 1 million, the number of recoveries is thankfully more than four times the death toll. But medical experts told FRANCE 24 that COVID-19 can cause severe long-term damage to the lungs, heart, brain and other organs -- and that for some patients, these complications may be permanent.
and possible long term lung damage and capacity
For some survivors, coronavirus complications can last a 'lifetime'
https://tinyurl.com/so4htwo
As the number of worldwide confirmed coronavirus cases climbs towards 1 million, the number of recoveries is thankfully more than four times the death toll. But medical experts told FRANCE 24 that COVID-19 can cause severe long-term damage to the lungs, heart, brain and other organs -- and that for some patients, these complications may be permanent.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2020 12:05 PM (8fB/R)
Posted by: torabora at April 02, 2020 12:05 PM (Y274z)
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"Nope. We need testing, permitting and the entire approval process before one dose can be administered to the general public." - FDA
"Nope. We need testing, permitting and the entire approval process before one dose can be administered to the general public." - FDA
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 02, 2020 12:06 PM (7rVsF)
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At every single step of this the MSM has been wrong. Their initial analysis, their predictions, even in fantasizing about what it would do to Trump's poll numbers. And now about this drug.
They are worse than useless.
They are worse than useless.
Posted by: 29Victor at April 02, 2020 12:06 PM (BJKQV)
Posted by: It's me donna at April 02, 2020 12:06 PM (Nq3+Y)
77
Great. Now Florence Italy can re-schedule its Hug a Chink Day Celebration.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 02, 2020 12:06 PM (XVuno)
78
So why has Fox News turned itself into the Cuomo Bros Show?
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 02, 2020 12:06 PM (V2Yro)
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Having "controls" in the absence of another alternative treatment (for example remdesivir) seems unethical. The refusal to accept Raoult's or Zelenko's work due to lack of "controls", seems a sketchy reason to deny off label use.
Donk govs and media stars who slammed these treatments should be lashed in Singapore
Donk govs and media stars who slammed these treatments should be lashed in Singapore
Posted by: CN at April 02, 2020 12:06 PM (ONvIw)
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I think its off patent and can be made genericallyso its probably made in India / China
One of the big generic pharma manufacturers, Teva, is in Israel.
One of the big generic pharma manufacturers, Teva, is in Israel.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 02, 2020 12:06 PM (/pTOt)
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"Obviously, this not a good state to be in. People who are intubated often die. I heard -- don't quote this -- that once you're intubated, the odds that you'll ever come off it are basically fifty-fifty. It's a coin flip as to whether you'll die."
Cause, effect.
People who are intubated often die because they have some horrific injury or condition that causes them to be intubated in the first place. It's like saying seat belts are linked to car wreck deaths because most of the people who die in car wrecks are wearing seatbelts.
An ET tube is a way of securing a patent airway. Yeah, it's no fun, but as far as I know it's on the safe side as far as medical procedures that involve shoving things into your body are concerned.
Cause, effect.
People who are intubated often die because they have some horrific injury or condition that causes them to be intubated in the first place. It's like saying seat belts are linked to car wreck deaths because most of the people who die in car wrecks are wearing seatbelts.
An ET tube is a way of securing a patent airway. Yeah, it's no fun, but as far as I know it's on the safe side as far as medical procedures that involve shoving things into your body are concerned.
Posted by: Vanya at April 02, 2020 12:07 PM (BAsqb)
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63 * Okay I've also heard that coronavirus is also killing via heart attack, but the heart and lungs are interrelated. I have to think that a lack of oxygen will lead to heart attacks, as the heart needs oxygen to work, too.
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Technically...... ALL deaths are due to heart failure.
Posted by: fixerupper at April 02, 2020 12:04 PM (nw6Hr)
As Poirot said to a doctor that listed cause of death as 'heart failure': "I've yet to see a corpse with a beating heart."
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Technically...... ALL deaths are due to heart failure.
Posted by: fixerupper at April 02, 2020 12:04 PM (nw6Hr)
As Poirot said to a doctor that listed cause of death as 'heart failure': "I've yet to see a corpse with a beating heart."
Posted by: Tami at April 02, 2020 12:07 PM (cF8AT)
83
I imagine Dr. Steven Smith is more reliable and trustworthy than Dr. Zachary Smith.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at April 02, 2020 12:07 PM (E+OcO)
84
Doctor working independently comes up with what I would call a cure or damn close in just a few weeks.
FDA takes 3 years to certify treatment.
Government kills.
FDA takes 3 years to certify treatment.
Government kills.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at April 02, 2020 12:07 PM (pw+jk)
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Wait until everyone figures out that it's been well established for a decade or more that this drug wipes out the flu virus.
All these tests and trials and studies the usual suspects are saying have to be done? Been done. Long time ago.
Posted by: Hereogar at April 02, 2020 11:58 AM (eQ0LF)
Yes, but a cheaper treatment that would reduce the number of more expensive flu vaccinations every year would cost Big Pharma big money, wouldn't it? FDA can't allow that.
All these tests and trials and studies the usual suspects are saying have to be done? Been done. Long time ago.
Posted by: Hereogar at April 02, 2020 11:58 AM (eQ0LF)
Yes, but a cheaper treatment that would reduce the number of more expensive flu vaccinations every year would cost Big Pharma big money, wouldn't it? FDA can't allow that.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at April 02, 2020 12:07 PM (QGI53)
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The first order of business of our new House Select Committee on the Coronavirus will be pulling the medical licenses of this so-called "Doctor" Smith and all other quacks who give Drumf's aquarium cleaner to their patients.
Posted by: Nanzi Pelosi at April 02, 2020 12:07 PM (DTX3h)
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Out of more than 950,000 cases of coronavirus so far across the globe, over 202,000 people have recovered, while more than 48,000 have died. However, clinicians have pointed out that some COVID-19 survivors have developed acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) -- a severe condition that, for the worst-affected patients, can last for the rest of their lives.
The doyen of medical journals, The Lancet, was one of the first to sound the alarm, publishing a report in February showing that 29 percent of a group of patients in Wuhan whom the researchers tracked between mid-December and early January had got ARDS.
A similar report by the British Faculty of Intensive Care Medicine, published in The Sunday Times on March 15, found that some 17 percent of intensive care patients whose treatments they analysed developed the syndrome. In addition, a few days before the British doctors released their findings, medical researchers in Hong Kong found that, out of a small study of 12 patients who left hospital after recovering from the coronavirus, two or three had diminished lung function.
'The damage you can have is for a lifetime'
Out of more than 950,000 cases of coronavirus so far across the globe, over 202,000 people have recovered, while more than 48,000 have died. However, clinicians have pointed out that some COVID-19 survivors have developed acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) -- a severe condition that, for the worst-affected patients, can last for the rest of their lives.
The doyen of medical journals, The Lancet, was one of the first to sound the alarm, publishing a report in February showing that 29 percent of a group of patients in Wuhan whom the researchers tracked between mid-December and early January had got ARDS.
A similar report by the British Faculty of Intensive Care Medicine, published in The Sunday Times on March 15, found that some 17 percent of intensive care patients whose treatments they analysed developed the syndrome. In addition, a few days before the British doctors released their findings, medical researchers in Hong Kong found that, out of a small study of 12 patients who left hospital after recovering from the coronavirus, two or three had diminished lung function.
'The damage you can have is for a lifetime'
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2020 12:07 PM (8fB/R)
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at April 02, 2020 12:07 PM (JPVyh)
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The governors that tried to ban TrumpCures might not even make it to the next election. The President really couldn't be blamed if he whipped up a riot that dragged Wretched Whitmore from her house and boiled her with tar.
Posted by: trev006 at April 02, 2020 12:07 PM (0HpOW)
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I pray the joos will come up with the vaccine.
The jooos stole the vaccine from our research institutes in Gaza.
The jooos stole the vaccine from our research institutes in Gaza.
Posted by: Hamas! at April 02, 2020 12:07 PM (I2/tG)
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Goddam am I glad to see news like this. Between sitting at home trying
not to become Jack Torrance and dealing with neighbors who are a)
convinced we're heading towards "12 Monkeys" territory or b) get all
their news from Facebook I was starting to feel a little despair. Which
then unfortunately often mutates into aggressive anger. If this is
legit, this is a giant ray of hope here.
Posted by: UGAdawg at April 02, 2020 12:03 PM (tRd71)
This cheered me up a while ago. Someone came out and told off the scolds on Nextdoor. I posted it at the end of the monkey thread.
Goddam am I glad to see news like this. Between sitting at home trying
not to become Jack Torrance and dealing with neighbors who are a)
convinced we're heading towards "12 Monkeys" territory or b) get all
their news from Facebook I was starting to feel a little despair. Which
then unfortunately often mutates into aggressive anger. If this is
legit, this is a giant ray of hope here.
Posted by: UGAdawg at April 02, 2020 12:03 PM (tRd71)
This cheered me up a while ago. Someone came out and told off the scolds on Nextdoor. I posted it at the end of the monkey thread.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 02, 2020 12:07 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: Rev. Dr. E Buzz Miller, Lesbian at April 02, 2020 12:07 PM (lg/F7)
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Governor of Michigan BANS Hydroxychloroquine for non-malaria treatments because Orange Man Bad four days ago.
Yesterday.... LIFTS ban and blames ORANGE MAN BAD for not having enough Hydroxychloroquine.
Governor of Michigan BANS Hydroxychloroquine for non-malaria treatments because Orange Man Bad four days ago.
Yesterday.... LIFTS ban and blames ORANGE MAN BAD for not having enough Hydroxychloroquine.
Posted by: fixerupper at April 02, 2020 12:07 PM (nw6Hr)
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Lamentations of the Media will be epic.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 02, 2020 12:08 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: rd at April 02, 2020 12:08 PM (+0uDE)
Posted by: rickb223 at April 02, 2020 12:08 PM (W2taJ)
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Lets shut her down! Dr Dude, internationally known epidemiologist and raconteur has weighed in definitively. I'm convinced!
Posted by: Muad'dib at April 02, 2020 12:05 PM
I'm no Dr. Dude, or even Dr. Jill, but girls have called me Dr Feelgood.
Posted by: Muad'dib at April 02, 2020 12:05 PM
I'm no Dr. Dude, or even Dr. Jill, but girls have called me Dr Feelgood.
Posted by: Joe Biden at April 02, 2020 12:08 PM (DMUuz)
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75 At every single step of this the MSM has been wrong. Their initial analysis, their predictions, even in fantasizing about what it would do to Trump's poll numbers. And now about this drug.
They are worse than useless.
Posted by: 29Victor at April 02, 2020 12:06 PM (BJKQV)
C'mon, they're Democrats. Being wrong and useless is what they do.
They are worse than useless.
Posted by: 29Victor at April 02, 2020 12:06 PM (BJKQV)
C'mon, they're Democrats. Being wrong and useless is what they do.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 02, 2020 12:08 PM (/pTOt)
99
Well none of these things can be true because Jim Acrosstick would have told me about them, and Governor Guido Cuomo and Chuck Schumer would have told me things were looking up.
Because I trust the media, and politicians, especially Democrats, more than anyone in the world.
Because I trust the media, and politicians, especially Democrats, more than anyone in the world.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 02, 2020 12:08 PM (e284m)
Posted by: Fredo Cuomo at April 02, 2020 12:08 PM (XVuno)
101
"Nope. We need testing, permitting and the entire approval process before one dose can be administered to the general public." - FDA
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 02, 2020 12:06 PM (7rVsF)
Burn it down. But you can bet they're chowing it down as a preventative.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 02, 2020 12:06 PM (7rVsF)
Burn it down. But you can bet they're chowing it down as a preventative.
Posted by: CN at April 02, 2020 12:08 PM (ONvIw)
102
I'm still reeling over hearing Schumer demand that Trump use the Military to seize control of the entire economy. But Trump won't do it because he's an Evil Dictator - wait, what?
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 02, 2020 12:08 PM (V2Yro)
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So why has Fox News turned itself into the Cuomo Bros Show?
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 02, 2020 12:06 PM (V2Yro)
allowing him and the democrats to campaign for hours every single day
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 02, 2020 12:06 PM (V2Yro)
allowing him and the democrats to campaign for hours every single day
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2020 12:08 PM (8fB/R)
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Report from the front lines...I was in the ER last night for a non-coronavirus issue and the nurses said that they had everything they could possibly need to deal with the Chinese lung rot except people with it.
This is, of course, anecdotal to the night shift of a suburban hospital in Texas but still.
This is, of course, anecdotal to the night shift of a suburban hospital in Texas but still.
Posted by: Laughing in Texas at April 02, 2020 12:08 PM (Cdins)
105
This means that Hydrox cookies will have some beneficial effect, right?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 02, 2020 11:59 AM (XVuno)
If so, I'll give up my Oreos 'til cured.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 02, 2020 11:59 AM (XVuno)
If so, I'll give up my Oreos 'til cured.
Posted by: BignJames at April 02, 2020 12:08 PM (X/Pw5)
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One or more of these groups will nail it.
I notice that about 90+% of the people involved in all these cures/vaccines/studies are white men.
Therefore, we need to ignore/suppress/reject their devil-inventions. Down with white privilege! Down with the patriarchy!
I notice that about 90+% of the people involved in all these cures/vaccines/studies are white men.
Therefore, we need to ignore/suppress/reject their devil-inventions. Down with white privilege! Down with the patriarchy!
Posted by: zombie at April 02, 2020 12:08 PM (N9G0H)
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I'm no Dr. Dude, or even Dr. Jill, but girls have called me Dr Feelgood.
Posted by: Joe Biden at April 02, 2020 12:08 PM (DMUuz)
You're the amateur streetside gynecologist, right?
Posted by: Joe Biden at April 02, 2020 12:08 PM (DMUuz)
You're the amateur streetside gynecologist, right?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 02, 2020 12:09 PM (/pTOt)
108
Ugh, yes, messed up sleep patterns!
My hubby and son are going nocturnal, staying up later and sleeping through the morning, when possible. I am SO over this shelter in place!
Posted by: Lizzy at April 02, 2020 12:05 PM (bDqIh)
Well, I was already on a night owl schedule. Getting up around 2 in the afternoon and staying up til 6am. Gonna suck to go back to it (actually no, I am bored as hell.)
My hubby and son are going nocturnal, staying up later and sleeping through the morning, when possible. I am SO over this shelter in place!
Posted by: Lizzy at April 02, 2020 12:05 PM (bDqIh)
Well, I was already on a night owl schedule. Getting up around 2 in the afternoon and staying up til 6am. Gonna suck to go back to it (actually no, I am bored as hell.)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 02, 2020 12:09 PM (A5zUN)
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Re long term damage from Chinese virus...
A DVT led some months later to a Pulmonary embolism and I have permanent lung damage.
By itself it's not debilitating as long as I don't go high altitude hiking or extreme exertion. But more damage would not be welcomed. So staying put is a good move for me.
A DVT led some months later to a Pulmonary embolism and I have permanent lung damage.
By itself it's not debilitating as long as I don't go high altitude hiking or extreme exertion. But more damage would not be welcomed. So staying put is a good move for me.
Posted by: torabora at April 02, 2020 12:09 PM (Y274z)
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I'm noting how they're stressing the "anecdotal evidence" factor.
I guess so they can cast some shade on it as not being a guarantee.
All it will take is a one month "trial" whereby they give this stuff to lots of people at the stage just before the hard to breathe stage and how many recover and how many don't have to get intubated.
Just keep them off the ventilator will be an extreme help due to the lack of sufficient numbers.
Now if we can get ahead of the medical people's need for masks we could start back to normal only with everyone wearing masks and the sick or diagnosed with Corona staying home.
This will be the two week period of pain Trump is talking about.
I would guess that's how long it will take to be able to have enough masks and to be able to tell everyone to take the malaria drugs.
I guess so they can cast some shade on it as not being a guarantee.
All it will take is a one month "trial" whereby they give this stuff to lots of people at the stage just before the hard to breathe stage and how many recover and how many don't have to get intubated.
Just keep them off the ventilator will be an extreme help due to the lack of sufficient numbers.
Now if we can get ahead of the medical people's need for masks we could start back to normal only with everyone wearing masks and the sick or diagnosed with Corona staying home.
This will be the two week period of pain Trump is talking about.
I would guess that's how long it will take to be able to have enough masks and to be able to tell everyone to take the malaria drugs.
Posted by: jakee308 at April 02, 2020 12:09 PM (JvI2w)
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Posted by: UGAdawg at April 02, 2020 12:03 PM (tRd71)
ALL ACE AND NO WORK MAKES JACK A DULL BOY
ALL ACE AND NO WORK MAKES JACK A DULL BOY
ALL ACE AND NO WORK MAKES JACK A DULL BOY
ALL ACE AND NO WORK MAKES JACK A DULL BOY
ALL ACE AND NO WORK MAKES JACK A DULL BOY
ALL ACE AND NO WORK MAKES JACK A DULL BOY
Posted by: Vanya at April 02, 2020 12:09 PM (BAsqb)
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The bigger risk of being intubated is infection and pneumonia. Worse, if the clinician/nurse/dr. "nicks" the esophagus upon entry or removal. This happened to my wife, she got infected with MERSA, spent 3 months on heavy duty intravenous/anti biotics, in a rehab facility. Nasty stuff.
5 years later she's ok. Still talking too much and spending too much money.
God love her.
5 years later she's ok. Still talking too much and spending too much money.
God love her.
Posted by: dananjcon at April 02, 2020 12:09 PM (u6xw0)
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I imagine Dr. Steven Smith is more reliable and trustworthy than Dr. Zachary Smith.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at April 02, 2020 12:07 PM (E+OcO)
Silence, you bubble-headed boobie!
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at April 02, 2020 12:07 PM (E+OcO)
Silence, you bubble-headed boobie!
Posted by: Dr. Smith at April 02, 2020 12:09 PM (XVuno)
114
So I drank all that piss for nothing?!
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at April 02, 2020 12:09 PM (+0AKE)
115
I think they stopped making Hydrox.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 02, 2020 12:09 PM (A5zUN)
116
I pray the joos will come up with the vaccine.
The Jew that runs Medtronic just gave away the patent on their ventilator for free so anyone can produce it.
I pray the joos will come up with the vaccine.
The Jew that runs Medtronic just gave away the patent on their ventilator for free so anyone can produce it.
Posted by: Zombie Cecil B. Demille at April 02, 2020 12:09 PM (PtOP4)
Posted by: Ilhan "Chaste Woman" Omar! at April 02, 2020 12:09 PM (I2/tG)
118
So, will HCQ be effective against the normal flu?
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 02, 2020 12:09 PM (oVJmc)
119
Has Nips the Elder Fredo had his daily world-wide presser this morning? I had to turn off what passes for the news today.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 02, 2020 12:09 PM (ptqGC)
120
Lets shut her down! Dr Dude, internationally known epidemiologist and raconteur has weighed in definitively. I'm convinced!
Posted by: Muad'dib at April 02, 2020 12:05 PM (sjdRT)
I mean, you can be an asshole, but this information is readily available. Anyone claiming to have a vaccine is clamoring for funding.
Posted by: Muad'dib at April 02, 2020 12:05 PM (sjdRT)
I mean, you can be an asshole, but this information is readily available. Anyone claiming to have a vaccine is clamoring for funding.
Posted by: dude at April 02, 2020 12:09 PM (hpbeA)
121
Praying that at least one of these solutions will work and we can move past this part, onto the election and subsequent total destruction of China from 2020-2024.
Posted by: Eli Cash at April 02, 2020 12:00 PM (67sg6)
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I want a Congress w/ balls after November. Letters of Marque and Reprisal, digital and physical.
I want Blackwater, Boeing, 4chan and Autists United working together to get paid and rain hell and misery down on Communists.
And while I'm asking, another puppy. Because puppies are awesome.
Posted by: Eli Cash at April 02, 2020 12:00 PM (67sg6)
----
I want a Congress w/ balls after November. Letters of Marque and Reprisal, digital and physical.
I want Blackwater, Boeing, 4chan and Autists United working together to get paid and rain hell and misery down on Communists.
And while I'm asking, another puppy. Because puppies are awesome.
Posted by: Cold Rage at April 02, 2020 12:10 PM (OXSar)
122
Goddam am I glad to see news like this. Between sitting at home trying
not to become Jack Torrance and dealing with neighbors who are a)
convinced we're heading towards "12 Monkeys" territory or b) get all
their news from Facebook I was starting to feel a little despair. Which
then unfortunately often mutates into aggressive anger. If this is
legit, this is a giant ray of hope here.
Posted by: UGAdawg at April 02, 2020 12:03 PM (tRd71)
Oh, this is going to happen. Have no fear. It's only a matter of time.
Have faith.
not to become Jack Torrance and dealing with neighbors who are a)
convinced we're heading towards "12 Monkeys" territory or b) get all
their news from Facebook I was starting to feel a little despair. Which
then unfortunately often mutates into aggressive anger. If this is
legit, this is a giant ray of hope here.
Posted by: UGAdawg at April 02, 2020 12:03 PM (tRd71)
Oh, this is going to happen. Have no fear. It's only a matter of time.
Have faith.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2020 12:10 PM (8fB/R)
123
Today is the first time I lost track of what day it is. I couldhave sworn it was Wednesday and only realized my mistake when I looked outside and saw my neighbors had put out the trash.
I have also been staying up very late and getting up late. It feels like it did when I was 14 and it was summer and I could read until 1-2 am and not have any consequences the next day.
I have also been staying up very late and getting up late. It feels like it did when I was 14 and it was summer and I could read until 1-2 am and not have any consequences the next day.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 02, 2020 12:10 PM (QzF6i)
124
'The damage you can have is for a lifetime'
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Im guessing the damage is a residual from COVID, and not the treatment.... since COVID kills you by fucking up your lungs to begin with.
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Im guessing the damage is a residual from COVID, and not the treatment.... since COVID kills you by fucking up your lungs to begin with.
Posted by: fixerupper at April 02, 2020 12:10 PM (nw6Hr)
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I imagine Dr. Steven Smith is more reliable and trustworthy than Dr. Zachary Smith.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at April 02, 2020 12:07 PM
Could you tell us more?
Asking for a friend.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at April 02, 2020 12:07 PM
Could you tell us more?
Asking for a friend.
Posted by: Will Robinson at April 02, 2020 12:10 PM (DMUuz)
126
Without oxygen, your heart cant function. If your lungs are not bringing the oxygen, then you will have a heart attack .
Intubation is a God send It keeps you alive.
Intubation is a God send It keeps you alive.
Posted by: MHK at April 02, 2020 12:10 PM (iQIUe)
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So having a control group means you may be choosing to let those people die.Somehow, that does not seem ethical from a medical standpoint, heck it's not ethical outside of a communist/socialist country.There was also a Dr in NYC having a bigger sample size (about 700 or so) having similar positive results.
Seems to me that at some point, the FDA/CDC should be able to take overwhelming data like this and make a reasoned decision without a control group.
Sorry, "reasoned decision" and FDA/CDC don't really go together, do they.
#64: Gee, you may be exactly right. Who knew that a President may need to Manage? I'd like to see the next SOTU consisting of "You're Fired" to basically the entire Congress.
Seems to me that at some point, the FDA/CDC should be able to take overwhelming data like this and make a reasoned decision without a control group.
Sorry, "reasoned decision" and FDA/CDC don't really go together, do they.
#64: Gee, you may be exactly right. Who knew that a President may need to Manage? I'd like to see the next SOTU consisting of "You're Fired" to basically the entire Congress.
Posted by: mer at April 02, 2020 12:10 PM (or4l7)
128
This is why you don't listen to Dr. Fauci and panic. He is *a* viewpoint with a narrow focus. You are allowed to consider more factors.
Posted by: t-bird at April 02, 2020 12:10 PM (Ydn2k)
129
>>Let's get the Feds involved, so they can fuck it up.
*attempts Hans Gruber voice*
Ladies and gentleman, I give you the Clyburn Congressional Oversight Committee!
*attempts Hans Gruber voice*
Ladies and gentleman, I give you the Clyburn Congressional Oversight Committee!
Posted by: Lizzy at April 02, 2020 12:10 PM (bDqIh)
130
AND you all know that warm Spring weather is going to slow this way down.
Posted by: torabora at April 02, 2020 12:10 PM (Y274z)
131
I imagine Dr. Steven Smith is more reliable and trustworthy than Dr. Zachary Smith.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at April 02, 2020 12:07 PM (E+OcO)
Oh the pain...the pain of it all
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at April 02, 2020 12:07 PM (E+OcO)
Oh the pain...the pain of it all
Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 02, 2020 12:11 PM (B12g/)
132
At every single step of this the MSM has been wrong. Their initial analysis, their predictions, even in fantasizing about what it would do to Trump's poll numbers. And now about this drug.
They are worse than useless.
Posted by: 29Victor at April 02, 2020 12:06 PM (BJKQV)
++++++++++++++
This is becoming like the FISA "mistakes" in the coup. If they were screw-ups, you'd think they'd go more than one direction.
They are worse than useless.
Posted by: 29Victor at April 02, 2020 12:06 PM (BJKQV)
++++++++++++++
This is becoming like the FISA "mistakes" in the coup. If they were screw-ups, you'd think they'd go more than one direction.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 02, 2020 12:11 PM (Q8c/L)
Posted by: Tami at April 02, 2020 12:11 PM (cF8AT)
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Besides, how can we cut people in on the graft if we derail all the testing and glad handing that goes on behind the scenes?
What about loss of revenue? What about the reduction of panic?
What about the loss of fear and the resultant inability to pander to and control the frightened public?
What about loss of revenue? What about the reduction of panic?
What about the loss of fear and the resultant inability to pander to and control the frightened public?
Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 02, 2020 12:11 PM (e284m)
135
Add in everyone wearing masks when they go out in public.
The masks don't always keep germs out of your nose, they keep the germs from schlubs with rona inside their mask.
The masks don't always keep germs out of your nose, they keep the germs from schlubs with rona inside their mask.
Posted by: rd at April 02, 2020 12:11 PM (+0uDE)
136
Friend of mine worked for the large hospital in the area and was
let go last Friday. Just heard he is now a patient at that hospital.
Shortness of breach, cough, fatigue.
Nope not the Sino Bat Flu, he has been diagnosed with a pulmonary embolism. He'll be ok they say, they caught it early.
let go last Friday. Just heard he is now a patient at that hospital.
Shortness of breach, cough, fatigue.
Nope not the Sino Bat Flu, he has been diagnosed with a pulmonary embolism. He'll be ok they say, they caught it early.
Posted by: IP - Still a 'ron at April 02, 2020 12:11 PM (CTv2h)
137
I think the words he used during an interview were "hit it early and hard."
Yes, this is Paolo Style.
Yes, this is Paolo Style.
Posted by: Paolo at April 02, 2020 12:11 PM (75Q6c)
138
102 I'm still reeling over hearing Schumer demand that Trump use the Military to seize control of the entire economy. But Trump won't do it because he's an Evil Dictator - wait, what?
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 02, 2020 12:08 PM (V2Yro)
"General Secretary Trump should seize control of the means of production to bring about the dictatorship of the proletariat!"
"Wait - did I say that out loud?"
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 02, 2020 12:08 PM (V2Yro)
"General Secretary Trump should seize control of the means of production to bring about the dictatorship of the proletariat!"
"Wait - did I say that out loud?"
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 02, 2020 12:12 PM (/pTOt)
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I imagine Dr. Steven Smith is more reliable and trustworthy than Dr. Zachary Smith Fauci.
Fixed for accuracy.
Fixed for accuracy.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 02, 2020 12:12 PM (ptqGC)
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I heard the triage teams are having trouble determining heart attack or covid because there are some levels of something that are inherent in both.
I heard the triage teams are having trouble determining heart attack or covid because there are some levels of something that are inherent in both.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2020 12:12 PM (8fB/R)
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I'm still reeling over hearing Schumer demand that Trump use the Military to seize control of the entire economy.
As the Military Commander for the entire economy, my first order is to quarantine New York. Nobody is allowed to leave.
My second order is to arrest Chuck Schumer.
As the Military Commander for the entire economy, my first order is to quarantine New York. Nobody is allowed to leave.
My second order is to arrest Chuck Schumer.
Posted by: Be Careful What You Wish For! at April 02, 2020 12:12 PM (I2/tG)
142
'The damage you can have is for a lifetime'
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2020 12:07 PM (8fB/R)
I'll check back in five or ten years. This thing is under a year old and lungs are remarkably resilient.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2020 12:07 PM (8fB/R)
I'll check back in five or ten years. This thing is under a year old and lungs are remarkably resilient.
Posted by: Vanya at April 02, 2020 12:12 PM (BAsqb)
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126
Without oxygen, your heart cant function. If your lungs are not bringing the oxygen, then you will have a heart attack .
Intubation is a God send It keeps you alive.
Posted by: MHK at April 02, 2020 12:10 PM (iQIUe)
Oh trust me honey, all we have to do is find a double for you and you'll live forever.
Without oxygen, your heart cant function. If your lungs are not bringing the oxygen, then you will have a heart attack .
Intubation is a God send It keeps you alive.
Posted by: MHK at April 02, 2020 12:10 PM (iQIUe)
Oh trust me honey, all we have to do is find a double for you and you'll live forever.
Posted by: Ruth Badass Ginsberg, seemingly Immortal at April 02, 2020 12:12 PM (e284m)
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Good morning Horde
I imagine in some places, patients will have to document requests to receive this treatment to overcome some reluctance on the part of some doctors to prescribe it.
It is nice to have this good news. I am wearied by the barrage of fear mongering.
Pray for stamina, wisdom, and courage for PDT.
I imagine in some places, patients will have to document requests to receive this treatment to overcome some reluctance on the part of some doctors to prescribe it.
It is nice to have this good news. I am wearied by the barrage of fear mongering.
Pray for stamina, wisdom, and courage for PDT.
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at April 02, 2020 12:12 PM (IDhUW)
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I have a question that has never been answered. Is it specifically HCQ that seems to provide a cure or is it any anti-malarial meds.
I happen to have a course of anti-malarial meds but it contains atovaquone, instead of HCQ. According to my understanding atovaquone works in a way very similar to HCQ.
I happen to have a course of anti-malarial meds but it contains atovaquone, instead of HCQ. According to my understanding atovaquone works in a way very similar to HCQ.
Posted by: Northernlurker at April 02, 2020 12:12 PM (Uu+Jp)
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FIRST!!!!!
Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 02, 2020 12:12 PM (Zz0t1)
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Loved Trump warning Iran last night. I'm certain the CIA analysts who like to keep this info secret were turning themselves inside out in anger over his going public but, so what! Iran now knows: massive response coming if you're stupid enough to choose now to attack our guys.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, hunker in the barrel at April 02, 2020 12:12 PM (NVYyb)
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When you get to intubation you need a blood transfusion.
Either plasma from survivor or just whole blood and in both cases chloroquine....we shouldn't be losing 1000 a day.
This is rediculous.
Either plasma from survivor or just whole blood and in both cases chloroquine....we shouldn't be losing 1000 a day.
This is rediculous.
Posted by: torabora at April 02, 2020 12:13 PM (Y274z)
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So why has Fox News turned itself into the Cuomo Bros Show?
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 02, 2020 12:06 PM (V2Yro)
Fox is in NY and they mainly care about what happens in NYC.
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 02, 2020 12:06 PM (V2Yro)
Fox is in NY and they mainly care about what happens in NYC.
Posted by: WOPR at April 02, 2020 12:13 PM (oSAHh)
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"Anecdotal" - I call bullshit.
Every NY and major city hospital - at the very least - has advanced Electronic medical record systems. Everything done in care goes through those systems.
Prior to Coronavirus, these systems were driving doctors and nurses to burnout BECAUSE OF ALL THE DATA ENTRY REQUIREMENTS. The data was sold by the EMR companies for $$millions to pharma, government etc.
The data amount at this point must be massive. It can be de-identified (to protect privacy) and released to the public in spreadsheets, for analysis by scientists around the world.
WHERE IS THIS DATA??
Every NY and major city hospital - at the very least - has advanced Electronic medical record systems. Everything done in care goes through those systems.
Prior to Coronavirus, these systems were driving doctors and nurses to burnout BECAUSE OF ALL THE DATA ENTRY REQUIREMENTS. The data was sold by the EMR companies for $$millions to pharma, government etc.
The data amount at this point must be massive. It can be de-identified (to protect privacy) and released to the public in spreadsheets, for analysis by scientists around the world.
WHERE IS THIS DATA??
Posted by: EPIClies at April 02, 2020 12:13 PM (TnwAJ)
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>>> This is not a study with a control group.
We should stop repeating liberal talking points as if they are fact.
You do not do placebo control groups on deadly ailments that have no effective treatment just so you can count dead bodies. You use available case data as your control.
Any statistically significant treatment group is valid data to draw conclusions from.
We should stop repeating liberal talking points as if they are fact.
You do not do placebo control groups on deadly ailments that have no effective treatment just so you can count dead bodies. You use available case data as your control.
Any statistically significant treatment group is valid data to draw conclusions from.
Posted by: mikethemoose at April 02, 2020 12:13 PM (Y6UV7)
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Ladies and gentleman, I give you the Clyburn Congressional Oversight Committee!
Posted by: Lizzy at April 02, 2020 12:10 PM (bDqIh)
The democrats attract the least intelligent specimens on the planet. It's embarrassing.
Posted by: Lizzy at April 02, 2020 12:10 PM (bDqIh)
The democrats attract the least intelligent specimens on the planet. It's embarrassing.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2020 12:13 PM (8fB/R)
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Now that we have defeated coronavirus, we can return to earlier public health campaign - convincing New Yorkers that they should have sex with people who are HIV-positive.
Posted by: NYC Department of Health! at April 02, 2020 12:05 PM (I2/tG)
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Get in early, assume the worst with high-risk groups, and hit it.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 02, 2020 12:05 PM (Q8c/L)
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This guy gets it.
Posted by: NYC Department of Health! at April 02, 2020 12:05 PM (I2/tG)
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Get in early, assume the worst with high-risk groups, and hit it.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 02, 2020 12:05 PM (Q8c/L)
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This guy gets it.
Posted by: NYC Department of Health at April 02, 2020 12:13 PM (vg8iE)
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"There are NO cures for any viral contagions. Only treatments."
When the our immune systems are not overrun by a virus and our white blood cells are doing their job, viral contagions can be cured naturally. Antibiotics aren't worth anything unless a patient is also fighting a secondary bacterial infection.
When the our immune systems are not overrun by a virus and our white blood cells are doing their job, viral contagions can be cured naturally. Antibiotics aren't worth anything unless a patient is also fighting a secondary bacterial infection.
Posted by: Wendy at April 02, 2020 12:14 PM (bpemY)
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There was a story earlier that said Houston was testing a vaccine as well.
This is what happens when Americans get challenged. They RISE UP.
This is what happens when Americans get challenged. They RISE UP.
Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 02, 2020 12:14 PM (Zz0t1)
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One would think the donk crowd would be favoring the plaquenil/z-pack cocktail for every one. The places hardest hit are not exactly the GOP stronghold's of Jen Rubin's fantasy.
Posted by: CN at April 02, 2020 12:14 PM (ONvIw)
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Hydrox cookies and bleach. You can make your own cure, peeple!
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero)
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But it must be in the proper proportions! This is what Trump doesn't tell you!!1!
Posted by: Mrs. Fish Tank Cleaner at April 02, 2020 12:03 PM (JPVyh)
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Lol, whatever you say, Tide Pod
Hydrox cookies and bleach. You can make your own cure, peeple!
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero)
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But it must be in the proper proportions! This is what Trump doesn't tell you!!1!
Posted by: Mrs. Fish Tank Cleaner at April 02, 2020 12:03 PM (JPVyh)
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Lol, whatever you say, Tide Pod
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at April 02, 2020 12:14 PM (IDhUW)
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> I mean, you can be an asshole, but this information
is readily available. Anyone claiming to have a vaccine is clamoring for
funding.
Posted by: dude at April 02, 2020 12:09 PM (hpbeA)
I've programmed all your comments to have musical accompaniment:
https://tinyurl.com/hv2qffy
is readily available. Anyone claiming to have a vaccine is clamoring for
funding.
Posted by: dude at April 02, 2020 12:09 PM (hpbeA)
I've programmed all your comments to have musical accompaniment:
https://tinyurl.com/hv2qffy
Posted by: Muad'dib at April 02, 2020 12:14 PM (sjdRT)
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I'll check back in five or ten years. This thing is under a year old and lungs are remarkably resilient.
Posted by: Vanya at April 02, 2020 12:12 PM (BAsqb)
I agree. Lungs are pretty miraculous at healing themselves, especially recovering from smoking.
Posted by: Vanya at April 02, 2020 12:12 PM (BAsqb)
I agree. Lungs are pretty miraculous at healing themselves, especially recovering from smoking.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2020 12:14 PM (8fB/R)
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My second order is to arrest Chuck Schumer.
Posted by: Be Careful What You Wish For! at April 02, 2020 12:12 PM (I2/tG)
You're generous with the arrest.
Posted by: Be Careful What You Wish For! at April 02, 2020 12:12 PM (I2/tG)
You're generous with the arrest.
Posted by: WOPR at April 02, 2020 12:14 PM (oSAHh)
161
Uh oh.....MUMR sighting.
Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 02, 2020 12:14 PM (Zz0t1)
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At every single step of this the MSM has been wrong. Their initial analysis, their predictions, even in fantasizing about what it would do to Trump's poll numbers. And now about this drug.
They are worse than useless.
Nobody is accidentally, randomly, and independently that invariably and reliably wrong.
They are worse than useless.
Nobody is accidentally, randomly, and independently that invariably and reliably wrong.
Posted by: t-bird at April 02, 2020 12:14 PM (OiC69)
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This Dr. Smith did not have a control group, but he suggests that his patients can be divided into two different groups: those who arrived late to treatment and who therefore only got two days or less of hydroxychloroquine, and those who got in earlier and got the five days of hydroxychloroquine treatment he seems to recommend.
Not really an actual control group but there is a difference in treatment.
He says that of the patients he treated, only patients who had been on hydroxychloroquine for two days or less needed intubation. Anyone who was on hydroxychloroquine for five days or more did not need intubation.
He said zero patients getting hydroxycloroquine had to be intubated.
This is really confusing to the point on not making sense.
How can both these statements be true? :
-- "...only patients who had been on hydroxychloroquine for two days or less needed intubation."
-- "He said zero patients getting hydroxycloroquine had to be intubated."
Not really an actual control group but there is a difference in treatment.
He says that of the patients he treated, only patients who had been on hydroxychloroquine for two days or less needed intubation. Anyone who was on hydroxychloroquine for five days or more did not need intubation.
He said zero patients getting hydroxycloroquine had to be intubated.
This is really confusing to the point on not making sense.
How can both these statements be true? :
-- "...only patients who had been on hydroxychloroquine for two days or less needed intubation."
-- "He said zero patients getting hydroxycloroquine had to be intubated."
Posted by: zombie at April 02, 2020 12:15 PM (N9G0H)
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Can we just mail one of these to every household to ease the panic?
Somehow Tide was able to send a little box of detergent to every house to try, surely when this is all said and done the $10 trillion or so we'll spend, we can mail a generic drug like this to every household so if they get it, we're not overloading hospitals just so someone can get a pill.
Somehow Tide was able to send a little box of detergent to every house to try, surely when this is all said and done the $10 trillion or so we'll spend, we can mail a generic drug like this to every household so if they get it, we're not overloading hospitals just so someone can get a pill.
Posted by: Blago at April 02, 2020 12:15 PM (sjTfF)
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Plus the announcement from U Pitt of a vaccine and one from Israel this morning bodes well.
Please G-d.
Plus the announcement from U Pitt of a vaccine and one from Israel this morning bodes well.
Please G-d.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 02, 2020 12:15 PM (pS94+)
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You're generous with the arrest.
Posted by: WOPR at April 02, 2020 12:14 PM (oSAHh)
They should go in his home with guns out, then someone stubs their toe......
You're generous with the arrest.
Posted by: WOPR at April 02, 2020 12:14 PM (oSAHh)
They should go in his home with guns out, then someone stubs their toe......
Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 02, 2020 12:15 PM (Zz0t1)
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152 Ladies and gentleman, I give you the Clyburn Congressional Oversight Committee!
Posted by: Lizzy at April 02, 2020 12:10 PM (bDqIh)
Yup... The Dems are gonna go for Impeachment II the sequel...
Posted by: Lizzy at April 02, 2020 12:10 PM (bDqIh)
Yup... The Dems are gonna go for Impeachment II the sequel...
Posted by: It's me donna at April 02, 2020 12:15 PM (Nq3+Y)
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Gin and Tonics from here on out.
Posted by: Puddin Head at April 02, 2020 12:15 PM (xAWn5)
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Posted by: mikethemoose at April 02, 2020 12:13 PM (Y6UV7)
Exactly.
"Where's your scientific evidence?"
"Well, I gave all these people this stuff and they got better. What else do you need?"
Exactly.
"Where's your scientific evidence?"
"Well, I gave all these people this stuff and they got better. What else do you need?"
Posted by: Vanya at April 02, 2020 12:15 PM (BAsqb)
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'The damage you can have is for a lifetime'
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2020 12:07 PM (8fB/R)
IIRC, The Lancet also believes in Global Warming.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2020 12:07 PM (8fB/R)
IIRC, The Lancet also believes in Global Warming.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 02, 2020 12:15 PM (miJU3)
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This is what happens when Americans get challenged. They Some of them RISE UP.
Posted by: IP - Still a 'ron at April 02, 2020 12:16 PM (CTv2h)
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Ace
'He said zero patients getting hydroxychloriquine had to be intubated"
But in the prior paragraph you state "those getting it less than two days had to be intubated"
THink you just meant to repeat that last part?
'He said zero patients getting hydroxychloriquine had to be intubated"
But in the prior paragraph you state "those getting it less than two days had to be intubated"
THink you just meant to repeat that last part?
Posted by: Marcus T at April 02, 2020 12:16 PM (VpIIl)
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Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 02, 2020 12:12 PM (ptqGC)
Forgive me Jane, but every time I see Dr Farci, the image of the classical SOP Deep State bureaucrat and my spidey virus sense alarm goes off big time.
Forgive me Jane, but every time I see Dr Farci, the image of the classical SOP Deep State bureaucrat and my spidey virus sense alarm goes off big time.
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at April 02, 2020 12:16 PM (BiNEL)
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108 Ugh, yes, messed up sleep patterns!
My hubby and son are going nocturnal, staying up later and sleeping through the morning, when possible. I am SO over this shelter in place!
Posted by: Lizzy
Well, I was already on a night owl schedule. Getting up around 2 in the afternoon and staying up til 6am.
Posted by: Aetius451AD
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Us too! Bed around 2-3am. Getting up at the crack of 11:00am. Weird.
My hubby and son are going nocturnal, staying up later and sleeping through the morning, when possible. I am SO over this shelter in place!
Posted by: Lizzy
Well, I was already on a night owl schedule. Getting up around 2 in the afternoon and staying up til 6am.
Posted by: Aetius451AD
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Us too! Bed around 2-3am. Getting up at the crack of 11:00am. Weird.
Posted by: Tonypete at April 02, 2020 12:16 PM (Y4EXg)
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Using a control group for terminal diseases is usually considered unethical...
Why would you give cancer patients a placebo drug, and allow him to diejust so your experimental design is better ?
Why would you give cancer patients a placebo drug, and allow him to diejust so your experimental design is better ?
Posted by: McCool at April 02, 2020 12:16 PM (9X4u5)
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I think they stopped making Hydrox.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 02, 2020 12:09 PM (A5zUN)
You can order in bulk via Amazon...per wiki.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 02, 2020 12:09 PM (A5zUN)
You can order in bulk via Amazon...per wiki.
Posted by: BignJames at April 02, 2020 12:16 PM (X/Pw5)
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Would taking the Israeli cure enable me to control the weather?
Posted by: Northernlurker at April 02, 2020 12:16 PM (Uu+Jp)
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With EMR data it's easy to create virtual "control groups" on different parameters
"Virtual clinical trials" was promoted by none other than one Barack Obama as justification for the $billions allocated in the HITECH act (part of the "Economic Recovery Act") of 2009, and as justification for penalties for EMR laggards.
With EMR data it's easy to create virtual "control groups" on different parameters
"Virtual clinical trials" was promoted by none other than one Barack Obama as justification for the $billions allocated in the HITECH act (part of the "Economic Recovery Act") of 2009, and as justification for penalties for EMR laggards.
Posted by: EPIClies at April 02, 2020 12:16 PM (TnwAJ)
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I think Americans are going to remember the mfers and their toadies who tried to impeach a President who saved their lives.
Posted by: x at April 02, 2020 12:16 PM (nFwvY)
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Did they slip in the forced dating of transsexuals by 'regular' people with the stimulus package to take effect when the virus has been defeated?
Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 02, 2020 12:16 PM (e284m)
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No, deniers, you can only prescribe off label medications to minors in order to enable mental illnesses.
Posted by: Moron Robbie has got the Kung Fu Grippe at April 02, 2020 12:16 PM (41rs/)
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Whew... that was some risky open/close tagging for me.
Posted by: IP - Still a 'ron at April 02, 2020 12:17 PM (CTv2h)
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This is really confusing to the point on not making sense.
How can both these statements be true? :
-- "...only patients who had been on hydroxychloroquine for two days or less needed intubation."
-- "He said zero patients getting hydroxycloroquine had to be intubated."
Posted by: zombie at April 02, 2020 12:15 PM (N9G0H)
+++++++++++
I noticed that, too, and I think it is down to the context higher up. I assume this means that when they got in early with HCQ for 3-5+ days (a full course, based on the French study and other areas that have tried it), there were zero intubations. When they got there later, some still needed it.
How can both these statements be true? :
-- "...only patients who had been on hydroxychloroquine for two days or less needed intubation."
-- "He said zero patients getting hydroxycloroquine had to be intubated."
Posted by: zombie at April 02, 2020 12:15 PM (N9G0H)
+++++++++++
I noticed that, too, and I think it is down to the context higher up. I assume this means that when they got in early with HCQ for 3-5+ days (a full course, based on the French study and other areas that have tried it), there were zero intubations. When they got there later, some still needed it.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 02, 2020 12:17 PM (Q8c/L)
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But...But...!!!
The Beltway Wise Ones won't be able to force a cookie cutter, one size fits all solution.
The Beltway Wise Ones won't be able to force a cookie cutter, one size fits all solution.
Posted by: Diogenes at April 02, 2020 12:17 PM (axyOa)
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This is not a study with a control group.
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Fine.
To all that whine this point.
When YOU get the Corona ...... YOU can volunteer to be on the "no treatment" control group.
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Fine.
To all that whine this point.
When YOU get the Corona ...... YOU can volunteer to be on the "no treatment" control group.
Posted by: fixerupper at April 02, 2020 12:17 PM (nw6Hr)
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But Chris Cuomo chipped a tooth, big news today, poor baby.I hope its a front tooth, so he has to keep his mouth closed on TV, doesn't want to look like a hillbilly.
Posted by: Colin at April 02, 2020 12:17 PM (j76zc)
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I know this shit is real My wife has asked me to start sleeping in the other room when she gets home from the Hospital, she doesn't want to give it to us.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at April 02, 2020 12:18 PM (dKiJG)
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Shouldn't you be saving and cataloguing your urine, MUMR?
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 02, 2020 12:18 PM (oVJmc)
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The control group is all those other people who didn't get the treatment. You know, the reason why this is such a panic in the first place?
Posted by: t-bird at April 02, 2020 12:18 PM (OiC69)
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179 I think Americans are going to remember the mfers and their toadies who tried to impeach a President who saved their lives.
Posted by: x at April 02, 2020 12:16 PM (nFwvY)
Ewe hav mor faith than Xipe. Leftardism is a mental disease.
Posted by: x at April 02, 2020 12:16 PM (nFwvY)
Ewe hav mor faith than Xipe. Leftardism is a mental disease.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at April 02, 2020 12:18 PM (o2MD2)
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Speaking of the handling of "pandemics" I see the Weasel ValJar has weighed in to tell us Barky would be handling this crisis way better than Trump
Posted by: It's me donna at April 02, 2020 12:18 PM (Nq3+Y)
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You do not do placebo control groups on deadly ailments that have no effective treatment just so you can count dead bodies. You use available case data as your control.
Any statistically significant treatment group is valid data to draw conclusions from.
Posted by: mikethemoose at April 02, 2020 12:13 PM (Y6UV7)
Of course you don't, but the libs keep acting as if that's required. Plus once a med is approved by the FDA a doc can give it to anyone that can benefit, NOT only the group with the official indication. It may not be FDA approved but it is far from illegal. The donks know this but are stoking fear.
Any statistically significant treatment group is valid data to draw conclusions from.
Posted by: mikethemoose at April 02, 2020 12:13 PM (Y6UV7)
Of course you don't, but the libs keep acting as if that's required. Plus once a med is approved by the FDA a doc can give it to anyone that can benefit, NOT only the group with the official indication. It may not be FDA approved but it is far from illegal. The donks know this but are stoking fear.
Posted by: CN at April 02, 2020 12:18 PM (ONvIw)
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156 One would think the donk crowd would be favoring the plaquenil/z-pack cocktail for every one. The places hardest hit are not exactly the GOP stronghold's of Jen Rubin's fantasy.
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There's no big money associated with generics. Ergo Dems don't get a kickback.
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There's no big money associated with generics. Ergo Dems don't get a kickback.
Posted by: Puddin Head at April 02, 2020 12:18 PM (xAWn5)
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You're generous with the arrest.
Wait until Chuckie finds out what's waiting for him at Fort Dix!
Wait until Chuckie finds out what's waiting for him at Fort Dix!
Posted by: Supreme Military Commander! at April 02, 2020 12:18 PM (I2/tG)
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99 Well none of these things can be true because Jim Acrosstick would have told me about them, and Governor Guido Cuomo and Chuck Schumer would have told me things were looking up.
Because I trust the media, and politicians, especially Democrats, more than anyone in the world.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 02, 2020 12:08 PM (e284m)
What function does the press currently serve in America? I mean, I understand that 150 years ago if Abe Lincoln gave a speech some reporter would write it down and sell me a copy, but now? I can watch Trump's speeches myself, in real time. Why do I need some expert on ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to brief me on what I can see with my own two eyes?
I just use presidential speeches as an example but the same goes for pretty much every other thing the press chooses to cover.
What function do they serve anymore except to shape a narrative?
Because I trust the media, and politicians, especially Democrats, more than anyone in the world.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 02, 2020 12:08 PM (e284m)
What function does the press currently serve in America? I mean, I understand that 150 years ago if Abe Lincoln gave a speech some reporter would write it down and sell me a copy, but now? I can watch Trump's speeches myself, in real time. Why do I need some expert on ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to brief me on what I can see with my own two eyes?
I just use presidential speeches as an example but the same goes for pretty much every other thing the press chooses to cover.
What function do they serve anymore except to shape a narrative?
Posted by: 29Victor at April 02, 2020 12:18 PM (BJKQV)
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163
He says that of the patients he treated, only patients who had been on hydroxychloroquine for two days or less needed intubation. Anyone who was on hydroxychloroquine for five days or more did not need intubation.
If you got the drug for >5 days, it prevented crashing and needing intubation.
If you got it for less time, no so much.
He says that of the patients he treated, only patients who had been on hydroxychloroquine for two days or less needed intubation. Anyone who was on hydroxychloroquine for five days or more did not need intubation.
If you got the drug for >5 days, it prevented crashing and needing intubation.
If you got it for less time, no so much.
Posted by: EPIClies at April 02, 2020 12:18 PM (TnwAJ)
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But Chris Cuomo chipped a tooth, big news today, poor baby.I hope its a front tooth, so he has to keep his mouth closed on TV, doesn't want to look like a hillbilly.
Yeah, I forgot to take that cock ring off...
Yeah, I forgot to take that cock ring off...
Posted by: Anderson Cooper at April 02, 2020 12:19 PM (OiC69)
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I've programmed all your comments to have musical accompaniment:
https://tinyurl.com/hv2qffy
Posted by: Muad'dib at April 02, 2020 12:14 PM (sjdRT)
And I have translated your screen name to "Muskrat's Asshole".
https://tinyurl.com/hv2qffy
Posted by: Muad'dib at April 02, 2020 12:14 PM (sjdRT)
And I have translated your screen name to "Muskrat's Asshole".
Posted by: dude at April 02, 2020 12:19 PM (hpbeA)
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Disbanding the FDA would be a good start.
Posted by: SH at April 02, 2020 12:19 PM (sX1BW)
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I saw that they are going after the MY PILLOW guy, reporter is asking anybody that has had a complaint with them
Brooks Brothers is now making masks
Brooks Brothers is now making masks
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at April 02, 2020 12:19 PM (dKiJG)
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Some bint reporter in Albany just asked Cuomo if some of the ventilators provided to NY by the feds are broken.
Posted by: mercenary13 at April 02, 2020 12:19 PM (r1mci)
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The Chinese flu has left dirty socks and underwear all over my house. A sink full of dirty dishes, too.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 02, 2020 12:19 PM (+y/Ru)
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If an Israeli company makes the drug, many Muzzie countries wont use it...
Pharma company supply chains have to be designed this barrier
Pharma company supply chains have to be designed this barrier
Posted by: McCool at April 02, 2020 12:19 PM (9X4u5)
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186 But Chris Cuomo chipped a tooth, big news today, poor baby.I hope its a front tooth, so he has to keep his mouth closed on TV, doesn't want to look like a hillbilly.
Posted by: Colin at April 02, 2020 12:17 PM (j76zc)
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He shouldn't have picked that metal dildo out of his bag of dicks.
Posted by: Colin at April 02, 2020 12:17 PM (j76zc)
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He shouldn't have picked that metal dildo out of his bag of dicks.
Posted by: rd at April 02, 2020 12:19 PM (+0uDE)
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191 Speaking of the handling of "pandemics" I see the Weasel ValJar has weighed in to tell us Barky would be handling this crisis way better than Trump
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Does ValJar point to Obama's achievement for this recommendation? I can think of only two - he won election and he destroyed the Dem party. That's about it.
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Does ValJar point to Obama's achievement for this recommendation? I can think of only two - he won election and he destroyed the Dem party. That's about it.
Posted by: Puddin Head at April 02, 2020 12:19 PM (xAWn5)
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This is what happens when Americans get challenged. They Some of them RISE UP.
Posted by: IP - Still a 'ron at April 02, 2020 12:16 PM (CTv2h)
I will accept this edit.
The IMPORTANT ones. Not the average liberal commie douchebag.
Posted by: IP - Still a 'ron at April 02, 2020 12:16 PM (CTv2h)
I will accept this edit.
The IMPORTANT ones. Not the average liberal commie douchebag.
Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 02, 2020 12:20 PM (Zz0t1)
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Interview on the Street
Media: "What are your thoughts for the near future?"
Me: "I believe all New Yorkers should be deported or held in camps."
Media: "Do you really think that would help to stop the Corona Virus?"
Me: "The what?"
Media: "What are your thoughts for the near future?"
Me: "I believe all New Yorkers should be deported or held in camps."
Media: "Do you really think that would help to stop the Corona Virus?"
Me: "The what?"
Posted by: Slapweasel at April 02, 2020 12:20 PM (Ckg4U)
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One would think the donk crowd would be favoring the plaquenil/z-pack cocktail for every one. The places hardest hit are not exactly the GOP stronghold's of Jen Rubin's fantasy.
Posted by: CN at April 02, 2020 12:14 PM (ONvIw)
+++++++++++
Also, they're old drugs off patent and so it is unlikely that titanic riches will be made on it. It is like their dream scenario.
Except that they don't want a treatment - or, more accurately perhaps, they don't care if there's a treatment. They want panic, terror, shortages and desperation to enable a power grab.
Posted by: CN at April 02, 2020 12:14 PM (ONvIw)
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Also, they're old drugs off patent and so it is unlikely that titanic riches will be made on it. It is like their dream scenario.
Except that they don't want a treatment - or, more accurately perhaps, they don't care if there's a treatment. They want panic, terror, shortages and desperation to enable a power grab.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 02, 2020 12:20 PM (Q8c/L)
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102 I'm still reeling over hearing Schumer demand that Trump use the Military to seize control of the entire economy. But Trump won't do it because he's an Evil Dictator - wait, what?
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 02, 2020 12:08 PM (V2Yro)
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I missed this.
Sadly, I've heard enough OMB talk to know that these people have no logical processes in their thinking and will not even see the inconsistency.
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 02, 2020 12:08 PM (V2Yro)
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I missed this.
Sadly, I've heard enough OMB talk to know that these people have no logical processes in their thinking and will not even see the inconsistency.
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at April 02, 2020 12:20 PM (IDhUW)
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I have a question that has never been answered. Is it specifically HCQ that seems to provide a cure or is it any anti-malarial meds.
I happen to have a course of anti-malarial meds but it contains atovaquone, instead of HCQ. According to my understanding atovaquone works in a way very similar to HCQ.
Posted by: Northernlurker at April 02, 2020 12:12 PM (Uu+Jp)
look up the drug online
I looked up my malaria drug and it specifically said coronavirus, but not sure even if it says that. I also have the exact antibiotic and Zinc tablets. But I wouldn't use it unless I'm trapped somewhere, no help and nowhere to turn... and feel like I'm dying.
I happen to have a course of anti-malarial meds but it contains atovaquone, instead of HCQ. According to my understanding atovaquone works in a way very similar to HCQ.
Posted by: Northernlurker at April 02, 2020 12:12 PM (Uu+Jp)
look up the drug online
I looked up my malaria drug and it specifically said coronavirus, but not sure even if it says that. I also have the exact antibiotic and Zinc tablets. But I wouldn't use it unless I'm trapped somewhere, no help and nowhere to turn... and feel like I'm dying.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2020 12:20 PM (8fB/R)
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>>I'm still reeling over hearing Schumer demand that Trump use the Military to seize control of the entire economy. But Trump won't do it because he's an Evil Dictator - wait, what?
This demand continues - it is all the rage on the Left, despite Trump's daily briefings demonstrating how well his *partnership* with private industries is going. Never let a crisis go to waste, huh? Finally, FINALLY we can get down to nationalizing industries!!
Considering that Schumer and Pelosi are most focused on impeaching Trump over this crisis' handling, I have to also wonder if this is a trap. If Trump nationalized the medical supply chain then they can exploit this for prosecution.
This demand continues - it is all the rage on the Left, despite Trump's daily briefings demonstrating how well his *partnership* with private industries is going. Never let a crisis go to waste, huh? Finally, FINALLY we can get down to nationalizing industries!!
Considering that Schumer and Pelosi are most focused on impeaching Trump over this crisis' handling, I have to also wonder if this is a trap. If Trump nationalized the medical supply chain then they can exploit this for prosecution.
Posted by: Lizzy at April 02, 2020 12:20 PM (bDqIh)
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So, will HCQ be effective against the normal flu?
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 02, 2020 12:09 PM (oVJmc)
I think there is "anecdotal" evidence that it is. Stories that people on HCQ for lupus or rheumatoid arthritis commonly don't get flu.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 02, 2020 12:09 PM (oVJmc)
I think there is "anecdotal" evidence that it is. Stories that people on HCQ for lupus or rheumatoid arthritis commonly don't get flu.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 02, 2020 12:20 PM (miJU3)
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185
I eat strawberries every day. I get hives and feel terribly ill every time I do.
But since this is not a scientifically controlled experiment, I continue to eat strawberries every day.
I eat strawberries every day. I get hives and feel terribly ill every time I do.
But since this is not a scientifically controlled experiment, I continue to eat strawberries every day.
Posted by: EPIClies at April 02, 2020 12:20 PM (TnwAJ)
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But Chris Cuomo chipped a tooth, big news today, poor baby.I hope its a front tooth, so he has to keep his mouth closed on TV, doesn't want to look like a hillbilly.
Posted by: Colin at April 02, 2020 12:17 PM (j76zc)
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Sounds like he needs to be intubated.
Posted by: Colin at April 02, 2020 12:17 PM (j76zc)
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Sounds like he needs to be intubated.
Posted by: wth at April 02, 2020 12:20 PM (v0R5T)
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175 Using a control group for terminal diseases is usually considered unethical...
Why would you give cancer patients a placebo drug, and allow him to diejust so your experimental design is better ?
Posted by: McCool at April 02, 2020 12:16 PM (9X4u5)
A study is usually done comparing a new treatment with the current effective treatments. The use of placebos or non-treatment is not considered ethical, a point that Raoult has made to people calling his evidence
anecdotal.
Why would you give cancer patients a placebo drug, and allow him to diejust so your experimental design is better ?
Posted by: McCool at April 02, 2020 12:16 PM (9X4u5)
A study is usually done comparing a new treatment with the current effective treatments. The use of placebos or non-treatment is not considered ethical, a point that Raoult has made to people calling his evidence
anecdotal.
Posted by: CN at April 02, 2020 12:20 PM (ONvIw)
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But Chris Cuomo chipped a tooth, big news today, poor baby.I hope its a front tooth, so he has to keep his mouth closed on TV, doesn't want to look like a hillbilly.
Posted by: Colin at April 02, 2020 12:17 PM (j76zc)
Douchebag is quarantined for 3 days and he's already chipped a tooth?
What a retard.
Posted by: Colin at April 02, 2020 12:17 PM (j76zc)
Douchebag is quarantined for 3 days and he's already chipped a tooth?
What a retard.
Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 02, 2020 12:21 PM (Zz0t1)
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The places hardest hit are not exactly the GOP stronghold's of Jen Rubin's fantasy.
The virus is about to explode in Florida, Texas, and all those other jerkwater red states!
Truly!
You can't stop the epidemic when the epidemic has only hit blue states thus far!
It's just not fair!
The virus is about to explode in Florida, Texas, and all those other jerkwater red states!
Truly!
You can't stop the epidemic when the epidemic has only hit blue states thus far!
It's just not fair!
Posted by: Democrats! at April 02, 2020 12:21 PM (I2/tG)
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Hail to Pitt!
Posted by: vmom 2020 at April 02, 2020 12:21 PM (G546f)
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Last night my nephew spent hours in the other room screaming into his headset while video gaming. All the way until about 5 am. Had to get up and poke him in the shoulder several times to keep it down. Fucker.
But I'm giving him a taste of his own medicine this morning. Just banged on his door to tell him I was making cookies this afternoon, and to get his opinion on what type to make.
In about an hour, I'll bang on his door again to see if he wants to go with me to my storage unit.
An hour after that, I'll bang on his door to tell him I changed my mind about making cookies, because we don't have the ingredients.
Rinse, repeat.
Last night my nephew spent hours in the other room screaming into his headset while video gaming. All the way until about 5 am. Had to get up and poke him in the shoulder several times to keep it down. Fucker.
But I'm giving him a taste of his own medicine this morning. Just banged on his door to tell him I was making cookies this afternoon, and to get his opinion on what type to make.
In about an hour, I'll bang on his door again to see if he wants to go with me to my storage unit.
An hour after that, I'll bang on his door to tell him I changed my mind about making cookies, because we don't have the ingredients.
Rinse, repeat.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 02, 2020 12:21 PM (EGyGV)
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Sounds like he needs to be intubated.
Posted by: wth at April 02, 2020 12:20 PM (v0R5T)
So was it rigors or withdrawal?
Posted by: wth at April 02, 2020 12:20 PM (v0R5T)
So was it rigors or withdrawal?
Posted by: CN at April 02, 2020 12:21 PM (ONvIw)
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I've heard the virus makes people gay. That's what I heard. So many rumors.
Posted by: Sooner at April 02, 2020 12:22 PM (Fs5vw)
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Would taking the Israeli cure enable me to control the weather?
Posted by: Northernlurker at April 02, 2020 12:16 PM
I think you get shapeshifting abilities as a side effect.
Posted by: Northernlurker at April 02, 2020 12:16 PM
I think you get shapeshifting abilities as a side effect.
Posted by: Bert G at April 02, 2020 12:22 PM (OMsf+)
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>> So why has Fox News turned itself into the Cuomo Bros Show?
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 02, 2020 12:06 PM (V2Yro)
Fox is in NY and they mainly care about what happens in NYC.
Posted by: WOPR at April 02, 2020 12:13 PM (oSAHh)
That pinhead Cuomo sure is in love with the sound of his own voice. I caught just enough of his gibber to find out that he'd like all national resources 'pooled' so he can have first dibs on everything, he'll pay any price so manufacturers start making stuff NY should have already have, and oh, by the way,
They're broke. Need bailout asap.
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 02, 2020 12:06 PM (V2Yro)
Fox is in NY and they mainly care about what happens in NYC.
Posted by: WOPR at April 02, 2020 12:13 PM (oSAHh)
That pinhead Cuomo sure is in love with the sound of his own voice. I caught just enough of his gibber to find out that he'd like all national resources 'pooled' so he can have first dibs on everything, he'll pay any price so manufacturers start making stuff NY should have already have, and oh, by the way,
They're broke. Need bailout asap.
Posted by: GnuBreed at April 02, 2020 12:22 PM (XF4b8)
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WHERE IS THIS DATA??
Posted by: EPIClies at April 02, 2020 12:13 PM (TnwAJ)
You (peasants) can't handle the truth!
Posted by: EPIClies at April 02, 2020 12:13 PM (TnwAJ)
You (peasants) can't handle the truth!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at April 02, 2020 12:22 PM (BiNEL)
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I saw that they are going after the MY PILLOW guy, reporter is asking anybody that has had a complaint with them
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The My Pillow I ordered had no Fleshlight insert.
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The My Pillow I ordered had no Fleshlight insert.
Posted by: wth at April 02, 2020 12:22 PM (v0R5T)
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 02, 2020 12:22 PM (NWiLs)
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Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 02, 2020 12:21 PM (EGyGV)
Kick him off the router for a day or two.
Kick him off the router for a day or two.
Posted by: Vanya at April 02, 2020 12:22 PM (BAsqb)
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I think there is "anecdotal" evidence that it is. Stories that people on HCQ for lupus or rheumatoid arthritis commonly don't get flu.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 02, 2020 12:20 PM (miJU3)
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Wait..... we've had an at least moderately effective treatment for flu ALL ALONG and that maybe we dont need to lose on average 30,000 a year to FLU???
If I werent bald... my hair would be on fire...
I think there is "anecdotal" evidence that it is. Stories that people on HCQ for lupus or rheumatoid arthritis commonly don't get flu.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 02, 2020 12:20 PM (miJU3)
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Wait..... we've had an at least moderately effective treatment for flu ALL ALONG and that maybe we dont need to lose on average 30,000 a year to FLU???
If I werent bald... my hair would be on fire...
Posted by: fixerupper at April 02, 2020 12:23 PM (nw6Hr)
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Well, a dose-response relationship is a pretty good evidence of an effect, but
a) you have to prospectively randomize people to the two different dose regimens
b) it may be that i)low dose is not actively harmful and ii) high dose does nothing, so the untreated control is still important.
If you aren't randomising then you are not getting good data on drug effect.
a) you have to prospectively randomize people to the two different dose regimens
b) it may be that i)low dose is not actively harmful and ii) high dose does nothing, so the untreated control is still important.
If you aren't randomising then you are not getting good data on drug effect.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at April 02, 2020 12:23 PM (CPk08)
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Look at all the money Drumpf is wasting on ventilators!
Posted by: The Dems at April 02, 2020 12:23 PM (2BZBZ)
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Did anyone in the field ever tell us specifically how many masks professionals in their offices are going through every day?
Posted by: Moron Robbie got the Kung Flu Grippe at April 02, 2020 12:23 PM (AwI0L)
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#twoweeks
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 02, 2020 12:22 PM (NWiLs)
Too bad you won't be able to start your new job, then.
I guess there's no need if we're all dead.
#twoweeks
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 02, 2020 12:22 PM (NWiLs)
Too bad you won't be able to start your new job, then.
I guess there's no need if we're all dead.
Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 02, 2020 12:23 PM (Zz0t1)
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Glory to God in the highest. And I am in no way being sarcastic about that.
Posted by: Dr. T at April 02, 2020 12:23 PM (Id1qv)
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The IMPORTANT ones. Not the average liberal commie douchebag.
Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 02, 2020 12:20 PM (Zz0t1)
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Sorry my comment got clipped, and glad you took it as it was intended.. the LCDB brigade are "net takers" among those who truly bring a value to society.
Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 02, 2020 12:20 PM (Zz0t1)
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Sorry my comment got clipped, and glad you took it as it was intended.. the LCDB brigade are "net takers" among those who truly bring a value to society.
Posted by: IP - Still a 'ron at April 02, 2020 12:23 PM (CTv2h)
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If an Israeli company makes the drug, many Muzzie countries wont use it.
The Mossad has been smuggling in medical supplies from unnamed countries who don't like Israel.
The Mossad has been smuggling in medical supplies from unnamed countries who don't like Israel.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at April 02, 2020 12:23 PM (I2/tG)
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if someone dies of Rabies they would be counted as Hong Kong Fluey
Posted by: WuHAN Solo at April 02, 2020 12:23 PM (t5n6N)
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"Douchebag is quarantined for 3 days and he's already chipped a tooth? "
want to take bets on what particular spaz act he did? I say either drunkenly falling on his face, or he brought his karaoke mike too hard into his stupid face singing "Livin on a Prayer".
want to take bets on what particular spaz act he did? I say either drunkenly falling on his face, or he brought his karaoke mike too hard into his stupid face singing "Livin on a Prayer".
Posted by: UGAdawg at April 02, 2020 12:24 PM (tRd71)
Posted by: Xipe Totec at April 02, 2020 12:24 PM (o2MD2)
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In about an hour, I'll bang on his door again
You should just read him all the funny tweets you see.
You should just read him all the funny tweets you see.
Posted by: t-bird at April 02, 2020 12:24 PM (nIvDu)
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*searches MILF porn*
Posted by: CDC Employee at April 02, 2020 12:24 PM (6OMwV)
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He says that of the patients he treated, only patients who had been on hydroxychloroquine for two days or less needed intubation. Anyone who was on hydroxychloroquine for five days or more did not need intubation.
If you got the drug for >5 days, it prevented crashing and needing intubation.
If you got it for less time, no so much.
Posted by: EPIClies at April 02, 2020 12:18 PM (TnwAJ)
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Sounds like what I had heard before. Chloriquine treatment slows down virus replication. If the virus has already filled you up, Chloriquine isn't as effective.
You give it to them early. If they are really sick, you are too late. That is why waiting five days for test results will not work.
If you got the drug for >5 days, it prevented crashing and needing intubation.
If you got it for less time, no so much.
Posted by: EPIClies at April 02, 2020 12:18 PM (TnwAJ)
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Sounds like what I had heard before. Chloriquine treatment slows down virus replication. If the virus has already filled you up, Chloriquine isn't as effective.
You give it to them early. If they are really sick, you are too late. That is why waiting five days for test results will not work.
Posted by: rd at April 02, 2020 12:24 PM (+0uDE)
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Every NY and major city hospital - at the very least - has advanced Electronic medical record systems. Everything done in care goes through those systems.
Prior to Coronavirus, these systems were driving doctors and nurses to burnout BECAUSE OF ALL THE DATA ENTRY REQUIREMENTS. The data was sold by the EMR companies for $$millions to pharma, government etc.
The data amount at this point must be massive. It can be de-identified (to protect privacy) and released to the public in spreadsheets, for analysis by scientists around the world.
WHERE IS THIS DATA??
Posted by: EPIClies at April 02, 2020 12:13 PM (TnwAJ)
I'm not allowed to be specific, but..
One of the biggest software companies in the world that also is very big in clinical trial software has pushed out a free platform for clinicians and patients to track symptoms, dosages and outcomes. It also gives allows data mining by researchers.
And before you scream privacy, it is HIPAA compliant
Prior to Coronavirus, these systems were driving doctors and nurses to burnout BECAUSE OF ALL THE DATA ENTRY REQUIREMENTS. The data was sold by the EMR companies for $$millions to pharma, government etc.
The data amount at this point must be massive. It can be de-identified (to protect privacy) and released to the public in spreadsheets, for analysis by scientists around the world.
WHERE IS THIS DATA??
Posted by: EPIClies at April 02, 2020 12:13 PM (TnwAJ)
I'm not allowed to be specific, but..
One of the biggest software companies in the world that also is very big in clinical trial software has pushed out a free platform for clinicians and patients to track symptoms, dosages and outcomes. It also gives allows data mining by researchers.
And before you scream privacy, it is HIPAA compliant
Posted by: ghbucky at April 02, 2020 12:24 PM (s9Eo8)
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168 Gin and Tonics from here on out.
Posted by: Puddin Head at April 02, 2020 12:15 PM (xAWn5)
Yup! In addition to the quinine in tonic, I hear that gin itself is an antioxidant: something something juniper berries.
Don't bother me with facts. This is what I'm going with.
Posted by: Puddin Head at April 02, 2020 12:15 PM (xAWn5)
Yup! In addition to the quinine in tonic, I hear that gin itself is an antioxidant: something something juniper berries.
Don't bother me with facts. This is what I'm going with.
Posted by: Floyd of Rosedale at April 02, 2020 12:24 PM (O6DoG)
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IIRC, The Lancet also believes in Global Warming.
The Lancet also published that study that said the US killed eleventy-billion people in Iraq. Their methodology was super-scientific too. They asked a whole bunch of people in population centers how many friends/family members were killed in the Iraq war. They'd record the results even without any further proof, but they were awfully proud of the fact they sometimes got death certificates.
The Lancet also published that study that said the US killed eleventy-billion people in Iraq. Their methodology was super-scientific too. They asked a whole bunch of people in population centers how many friends/family members were killed in the Iraq war. They'd record the results even without any further proof, but they were awfully proud of the fact they sometimes got death certificates.
Posted by: bonhomme at April 02, 2020 12:24 PM (9t0Zz)
Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 02, 2020 12:24 PM (Zz0t1)
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I'm feeling a mite peckish. Anyone up for being a snack?
Posted by: The Barrel at April 02, 2020 12:25 PM (DMUuz)
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"Douchebag is quarantined for 3 days and he's already chipped a tooth? "
want to take bets on what particular spaz act he did? I say either drunkenly falling on his face, or he brought his karaoke mike too hard into his stupid face singing "Livin on a Prayer".
Posted by: UGAdawg at April 02, 2020 12:24 PM (tRd71)
Blames it on rigors.
want to take bets on what particular spaz act he did? I say either drunkenly falling on his face, or he brought his karaoke mike too hard into his stupid face singing "Livin on a Prayer".
Posted by: UGAdawg at April 02, 2020 12:24 PM (tRd71)
Blames it on rigors.
Posted by: CN at April 02, 2020 12:25 PM (ONvIw)
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199 Disbanding the FDA would be a good start.
Posted by: SH at April 02, 2020 12:19 PM (sX1BW)
I recommend disbanding the CDC also.
Posted by: SH at April 02, 2020 12:19 PM (sX1BW)
I recommend disbanding the CDC also.
Posted by: Sooner at April 02, 2020 12:25 PM (Fs5vw)
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Too bad you won't be able to start your new job, then.
I guess there's no need if we're all dead.
Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 02, 2020 12:23 PM (Zz0t1)
Isn't it ironic, don't you think?
I guess there's no need if we're all dead.
Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 02, 2020 12:23 PM (Zz0t1)
Isn't it ironic, don't you think?
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 02, 2020 12:25 PM (NWiLs)
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OT/ but Trump tweeted that he has "spoken" to the Saudis and by proxy the Russians and he expects them to cut their production of oil...
Posted by: It's me donna at April 02, 2020 12:25 PM (Nq3+Y)
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Stop all pay to every single politician and virus task force member, NOW.
Give them the $1200 the rest of the country gets.
This includes state and local levels.
Fucking right now.
Give them the $1200 the rest of the country gets.
This includes state and local levels.
Fucking right now.
Posted by: Ha at April 02, 2020 12:25 PM (odrqb)
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But Chris Cuomo chipped a tooth, big news today,
poor baby.I hope its a front tooth, so he has to keep his mouth closed
on TV, doesn't want to look like a hillbilly.
Posted by: Colin at April 02, 2020 12:17 PM (j76zc)
..........
Sounds like he needs to be intubated.
Posted by: wth at April 02, 2020 12:20 PM (v0R5T)
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With prejudice!
poor baby.I hope its a front tooth, so he has to keep his mouth closed
on TV, doesn't want to look like a hillbilly.
Posted by: Colin at April 02, 2020 12:17 PM (j76zc)
..........
Sounds like he needs to be intubated.
Posted by: wth at April 02, 2020 12:20 PM (v0R5T)
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With prejudice!
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at April 02, 2020 12:25 PM (pw+jk)
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>>Speaking of the handling of "pandemics" I see the Weasel ValJar has weighed in to tell us Barky would be handling this crisis way better than Trump
Is that not the most TFG-y response, or what?
He is sitting on his a$$ about 1 mile from the WH, and instead of asking Trump how he can help - given that he's the smartest guy in the room, right? - and saying "I would be handling this much better." Voting PRESENT.
At least Joey Fingers has offered his advice. He's doing something.
Is that not the most TFG-y response, or what?
He is sitting on his a$$ about 1 mile from the WH, and instead of asking Trump how he can help - given that he's the smartest guy in the room, right? - and saying "I would be handling this much better." Voting PRESENT.
At least Joey Fingers has offered his advice. He's doing something.
Posted by: Lizzy at April 02, 2020 12:25 PM (bDqIh)
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EMR data (wherever it's being hidden from us) can be used for comparative effectiveness research
EMR data (wherever it's being hidden from us) can be used for comparative effectiveness research
Posted by: EPIClies at April 02, 2020 12:25 PM (TnwAJ)
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A study is usually done comparing a new treatment with the current effective treatments. The use of placebos or non-treatment is not considered ethical, a point that Raoult has made to people calling his evidence
anecdotal.
Posted by: CN at April 02, 2020 12:20 PM (ONvIw)
To be fair we only give placebos to critical patients that are most likely to have voted for Trump, thus making it totes ethical!
anecdotal.
Posted by: CN at April 02, 2020 12:20 PM (ONvIw)
To be fair we only give placebos to critical patients that are most likely to have voted for Trump, thus making it totes ethical!
Posted by: CDC Commissar Dr Hrothgar at April 02, 2020 12:25 PM (BiNEL)
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we need to call the malaria cocktail "The Trump Cure"
with any luck the TDSers will swear not to take it
with any luck the TDSers will swear not to take it
Posted by: vmom 2020 at April 02, 2020 12:26 PM (G546f)
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want to take bets on what particular spaz act he did? I say either drunkenly falling on his face, or he brought his karaoke mike too hard into his stupid face singing "Livin on a Prayer".
Posted by: UGAdawg at April 02, 2020 12:24 PM (tRd71)
Ahem
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcOxhH8N3Bo
He sings BOTH parts
Posted by: UGAdawg at April 02, 2020 12:24 PM (tRd71)
Ahem
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcOxhH8N3Bo
He sings BOTH parts
Posted by: Vanya at April 02, 2020 12:26 PM (BAsqb)
Posted by: Archer at April 02, 2020 12:26 PM (gmo/4)
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I mean, it isn't that I think hydroxychloroquine is junk, it's just that this sort of data is almost (emphasis on almost) noise at this point. Confounding biases can be very difficult to identify.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at April 02, 2020 12:26 PM (CPk08)
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*searches MILF porn*
Posted by: CDC Employee at April 02, 2020 12:24 PM (6OMwV)
.........
You misspelled "Kiddie".
Posted by: CDC Employee at April 02, 2020 12:24 PM (6OMwV)
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You misspelled "Kiddie".
Posted by: wth at April 02, 2020 12:26 PM (v0R5T)
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Whole lotta wrongness above.
Anyway, up date from those doing it:
Our trial thus far on HCQ + a macrolide antibiotic (we are out of Azitho, using others) has been moderately encouraging. Understand many patients were on vents before they got the meds, which is gonna skew stuff.
Two trials, one group for on vent before, one for not on vent. Three arms: no Tx, Tx w/ HCQ, Tx w/HCQ + antibiotic.
Sorting the drug induced cardiac and hepatic failure versus disease, can't yet. 1 case retinopathy and vision loss very likely drug related.
UNOFFICIAL consensus thus far with our team: If sick enough to be hospitalized, start meds ASAP. If stay home sick, no unless worsens to hospitalization.
The pool of zero or mild cases never diagnosed is likely to be HUGE and thus the case fatality rate will drop like a rock.
Checking antibody levels next year to estimate these minor cases will be fascinating. See also West Nile Virus immunity rates.
Whole lotta wrongness above.
Anyway, up date from those doing it:
Our trial thus far on HCQ + a macrolide antibiotic (we are out of Azitho, using others) has been moderately encouraging. Understand many patients were on vents before they got the meds, which is gonna skew stuff.
Two trials, one group for on vent before, one for not on vent. Three arms: no Tx, Tx w/ HCQ, Tx w/HCQ + antibiotic.
Sorting the drug induced cardiac and hepatic failure versus disease, can't yet. 1 case retinopathy and vision loss very likely drug related.
UNOFFICIAL consensus thus far with our team: If sick enough to be hospitalized, start meds ASAP. If stay home sick, no unless worsens to hospitalization.
The pool of zero or mild cases never diagnosed is likely to be HUGE and thus the case fatality rate will drop like a rock.
Checking antibody levels next year to estimate these minor cases will be fascinating. See also West Nile Virus immunity rates.
Posted by: Ima Pseudonym at April 02, 2020 12:26 PM (d6DSt)
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want to take bets on what particular spaz act he did? I say either drunkenly falling on his face, or he brought his karaoke mike too hard into his stupid face singing "Livin on a Prayer".
Posted by: UGAdawg at April 02, 2020 12:24 PM (tRd71)
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Bets 500 quatloos on "cockring"
Posted by: UGAdawg at April 02, 2020 12:24 PM (tRd71)
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Bets 500 quatloos on "cockring"
Posted by: fixerupper at April 02, 2020 12:26 PM (nw6Hr)
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Imma gonna guess the Dems will impeach cuz Trump Did It Plague. What are the odds?
Posted by: Puddin Head at April 02, 2020 12:26 PM (xAWn5)
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I asked my daughter the nurse about this stuff. As it happens she has taken HCQ for years as a treatment for a chronic condition. Fortunate given her exposure to elderly sick people. She and her paramedic fella have 6 N95 masks they sterilize and rotate using with a handheld UV device. Wow.The national medical stockpile cupboard was bare throughout 7 years of Obama and 3 years of Trump. It is unhelpful to scapegoat either without finding out who the hell wasn't minding the store. If the only person responsible is the CEO of a 2 million workforce then can we lay off the rest of them?
When I thought of the CDC and FDA, I used to think of careful minders of America's health. Now, what comes to mind is words like sclerotic, elephantine, unresponsive.
When I thought of the CDC and FDA, I used to think of careful minders of America's health. Now, what comes to mind is words like sclerotic, elephantine, unresponsive.
Posted by: chuckR at April 02, 2020 12:26 PM (bRvKP)
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@252
With a fire hose.
With a fire hose.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at April 02, 2020 12:26 PM (o2MD2)
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It is my understanding that if the lungs quit The heart gets lonely and then says "F#ck it I'm out"
Posted by: Eric (the OC TAnker) at April 02, 2020 12:26 PM (P8UvY)
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WHY NO FLAMING SKULL!!!!?????
Posted by: Fred Baumann at April 02, 2020 12:27 PM (1AgfG)
Posted by: EPIClies at April 02, 2020 12:27 PM (TnwAJ)
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NJ put some heavy restrictions on prescribing hydroxychloroquine as it appeared some doktoors were writing dubious scripts.
Corrupt doktoors in New Jersey. I'm shocked.
Corrupt doktoors in New Jersey. I'm shocked.
Posted by: BluesFish at April 02, 2020 12:27 PM (KKxhj)
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Sounds like he needs to be intubated.
Posted by: wth at April 02, 2020 12:20 PM (v0R5T)
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With prejudice!
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at April 02, 2020 12:25 PM (pw+jk)
It would also shut him up. The ET tube goes through your vocal cords, so you can't vocalize anything while it's in.
Posted by: wth at April 02, 2020 12:20 PM (v0R5T)
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With prejudice!
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at April 02, 2020 12:25 PM (pw+jk)
It would also shut him up. The ET tube goes through your vocal cords, so you can't vocalize anything while it's in.
Posted by: Vanya at April 02, 2020 12:27 PM (BAsqb)
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Ladies and gentleman, I give you the Clyburn Congressional Oversight Committee!
Posted by: Lizzy at April 02, 2020 12:10 PM (bDqIh)
Yup... The Dems are gonna go for Impeachment II the sequel...
Posted by: It's me donna at April 02, 2020 12:15 PM
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Guaranteeing Trump's reelection.
Posted by: Lizzy at April 02, 2020 12:10 PM (bDqIh)
Yup... The Dems are gonna go for Impeachment II the sequel...
Posted by: It's me donna at April 02, 2020 12:15 PM
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Guaranteeing Trump's reelection.
Posted by: Mr. Scottt (Formerly GWS) at April 02, 2020 12:27 PM (JUOKG)
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There's quinine in MILF pron?
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 02, 2020 12:27 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: Harry Reid at April 02, 2020 12:27 PM (nIvDu)
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To be fair we only give placebos to critical patients that are most likely to have voted for Trump, thus making it totes ethical!
Posted by: CDC Commissar Dr Hrothgar at April 02, 2020 12:25 PM (BiNEL)
Like that upstate donk bitch who wanted to deny Trump voters access to treatment and lost her job
Posted by: CDC Commissar Dr Hrothgar at April 02, 2020 12:25 PM (BiNEL)
Like that upstate donk bitch who wanted to deny Trump voters access to treatment and lost her job
Posted by: CN at April 02, 2020 12:28 PM (ONvIw)
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Look at all the money Drumpf is wasting on ventilators!
Posted by: The Dems at April 02, 2020 12:23 PM (2BZBZ)
I want one!
Ace has a cpac as I recall.
Posted by: The Dems at April 02, 2020 12:23 PM (2BZBZ)
I want one!
Ace has a cpac as I recall.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2020 12:28 PM (8fB/R)
Posted by: EPIClies at April 02, 2020 12:28 PM (TnwAJ)
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It will be neat when the PATRIOT Act level legislation that comes from this requires all of us to submit DNA samples for the good of the country.
Posted by: Moron Robbie got the Kung Flu Grippe at April 02, 2020 12:28 PM (AwI0L)
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He is sitting on his a$$ about 1 mile from the WH, and instead of asking Trump how he can help - given that he's the smartest guy in the room, right? - and saying "I would be handling this much better." Voting PRESENT.
At least Joey Fingers has offered his advice. He's doing something.
Posted by: Lizzy at April 02, 2020 12:25 PM (bDqIh)
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Indeed. This is a good point I didn't see through my Obama hate. Why not step up and offer your services? The Admin will say "no" of course (as would be proper even if he were that good, because his presidency is over) but why not make the offer? Or hell, even just use your platform to throw your ideas out there for anyone to read?
Would it be because you're a vapid, empty-suit asshole who's craving attention and blissfully unaware of your own incompetence? I think it might be that.
At least Joey Fingers has offered his advice. He's doing something.
Posted by: Lizzy at April 02, 2020 12:25 PM (bDqIh)
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Indeed. This is a good point I didn't see through my Obama hate. Why not step up and offer your services? The Admin will say "no" of course (as would be proper even if he were that good, because his presidency is over) but why not make the offer? Or hell, even just use your platform to throw your ideas out there for anyone to read?
Would it be because you're a vapid, empty-suit asshole who's craving attention and blissfully unaware of your own incompetence? I think it might be that.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 02, 2020 12:28 PM (Q8c/L)
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Go Pitt!
Posted by: DaveA at April 02, 2020 12:28 PM (FhXTo)
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"Douchebag is quarantined for 3 days and he's already chipped a tooth? "
want to take bets on what particular spaz act he did? I say either
drunkenly falling on his face, or he brought his karaoke mike too hard
into his stupid face singing "Livin on a Prayer".
Posted by: UGAdawg at April 02, 2020 12:24 PM (tRd71)
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Practicing throwing average people down stairs.
want to take bets on what particular spaz act he did? I say either
drunkenly falling on his face, or he brought his karaoke mike too hard
into his stupid face singing "Livin on a Prayer".
Posted by: UGAdawg at April 02, 2020 12:24 PM (tRd71)
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Practicing throwing average people down stairs.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at April 02, 2020 12:28 PM (pw+jk)
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Isn't it ironic, don't you think?
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 02, 2020 12:25 PM (NWiLs)
Good thing that song is too shitty to be an earworm.
Isn't it ironic, don't you think?
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 02, 2020 12:25 PM (NWiLs)
Good thing that song is too shitty to be an earworm.
Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 02, 2020 12:28 PM (Zz0t1)
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So upon seeing that Robert Kraft used his own money to buy masks and medical supplies for NY medical personnel, it got me thinking...
With all the multi-multi-millionaire athletes we have in every sport (save for the NHL), you have to sit back and ask yourself why there are not hundreds of stories like this.
Didn't Mike Trout just sign some $300mil contract? Didn't Anthony Rendon? Didn't NY Yankees new pitcher Gerrit Cole sign for hundreds of millions?
Where are all the athletes standing up donating their ridiculous fortunes that they will never spend in their lifetimes?
Only time I have seen any athlete do anything was with JJ Watt's organization after the Hurricane relief a while back.
Other than that... nothing... from any multi-millionaire athlete... in any sport.
With all the multi-multi-millionaire athletes we have in every sport (save for the NHL), you have to sit back and ask yourself why there are not hundreds of stories like this.
Didn't Mike Trout just sign some $300mil contract? Didn't Anthony Rendon? Didn't NY Yankees new pitcher Gerrit Cole sign for hundreds of millions?
Where are all the athletes standing up donating their ridiculous fortunes that they will never spend in their lifetimes?
Only time I have seen any athlete do anything was with JJ Watt's organization after the Hurricane relief a while back.
Other than that... nothing... from any multi-millionaire athlete... in any sport.
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at April 02, 2020 12:28 PM (Do5/p)
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191 Speaking of the handling of "pandemics" I see the Weasel ValJar has weighed in to tell us Barky would be handling this crisis way better than Trump
Of course. He'd be out on the golf course pretending there is no crisis, so there wouldn't be.
Instead the media would be pointing to all those cases in New York as proof positive that we need universal single payer health care because the private sector isn't prepared to solve problems the way government is.
Of course. He'd be out on the golf course pretending there is no crisis, so there wouldn't be.
Instead the media would be pointing to all those cases in New York as proof positive that we need universal single payer health care because the private sector isn't prepared to solve problems the way government is.
Posted by: Ernst Schreiber at April 02, 2020 12:28 PM (xmKbk)
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There's quinine in MILF pron?
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 02, 2020 12:27 PM (NWiLs)
Not that I've ever-- I mean, I have no idea, there very well may be. Who knows what those weirdos get up to.
*sidles away*
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 02, 2020 12:27 PM (NWiLs)
Not that I've ever-- I mean, I have no idea, there very well may be. Who knows what those weirdos get up to.
*sidles away*
Posted by: Vanya at April 02, 2020 12:29 PM (BAsqb)
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Lol. DNC just pushed their convention out from July to August. I'm guessing they want Biden to croak before being nominated or they're giving space for Cuomo so it doesn't look like he's jumping ship while the state is suffering from the coronavirus issue he created.
Posted by: Hesco Gypsy, staring from 457 meters at April 02, 2020 12:29 PM (wElh/)
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But... but... I don't WANT the coronavirus cured yet! Not until the economy is wrecked enough to get Drumpf out of office
Posted by: Liberal Democrat Who Gets News From John Oliver at April 02, 2020 12:29 PM (zp+b/)
Posted by: IP - Still a 'ron at April 02, 2020 12:29 PM (CTv2h)
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269 NJ put some heavy restrictions on prescribing hydroxychloroquine as it appeared some doktoors were writing dubious scripts.
Corrupt doktoors in New Jersey. I'm shocked.
Posted by: BluesFish at April 02, 2020 12:27 PM (KKxhj)
Giving their families, friends, and the highest bidders "just in case" supplies.
Corrupt doktoors in New Jersey. I'm shocked.
Posted by: BluesFish at April 02, 2020 12:27 PM (KKxhj)
Giving their families, friends, and the highest bidders "just in case" supplies.
Posted by: CN at April 02, 2020 12:29 PM (ONvIw)
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Finally, some government Chop Suey Fluey advice I agree with.
Washington Examiner@dcexaminer
Malaysia has tips for women staying at home with their husbands during quarantine:
DON'T Nag Your Husband
DON'T Be Sarcastic
DO Wear Makeup
DO Dress Up
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Could've added that man is master of the remote but maybe that's implied.
Washington Examiner@dcexaminer
Malaysia has tips for women staying at home with their husbands during quarantine:
DON'T Nag Your Husband
DON'T Be Sarcastic
DO Wear Makeup
DO Dress Up
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Could've added that man is master of the remote but maybe that's implied.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 02, 2020 12:29 PM (+y/Ru)
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But the doctor most learned who moonlights as a governor in Michigan knows better because she was elected--we should listen to her
Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at April 02, 2020 12:29 PM (vPKfA)
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So you're saying I should drink fish tank cleaner?
Posted by: Bat Shiy Crazy at April 02, 2020 12:29 PM (LcBVC)
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Sounds like what I had heard before. Chloriquine treatment slows down virus replication. If the virus has already filled you up, Chloriquine isn't as effective.
You give it to them early. If they are really sick, you are too late. That is why waiting five days for test results will not work.
Posted by: rd at April 02, 2020 12:24 PM (+0uDE)
Well, I've heard different.
Sounds like what I had heard before. Chloriquine treatment slows down virus replication. If the virus has already filled you up, Chloriquine isn't as effective.
You give it to them early. If they are really sick, you are too late. That is why waiting five days for test results will not work.
Posted by: rd at April 02, 2020 12:24 PM (+0uDE)
Well, I've heard different.
Posted by: Sooner at April 02, 2020 12:29 PM (Fs5vw)
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Call me crazy but... Have we tried slapping a hot iron on it?
Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 02, 2020 12:29 PM (flINI)
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Imma gonna guess the Dems will impeach cuz Trump Did It Plague. What are the odds?
This close to November? They should go for it, but I don't think they'll get the chance.
This close to November? They should go for it, but I don't think they'll get the chance.
Posted by: t-bird at April 02, 2020 12:29 PM (nIvDu)
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I asked my daughter the nurse about this stuff. As it happens she has taken HCQ for years as a treatment for a chronic condition. Fortunate given her exposure to elderly sick people. She and her paramedic fella have 6 N95 masks they sterilize and rotate using with a handheld UV device. Wow.The national medical stockpile cupboard was bare throughout 7 years of Obama and 3 years of Trump. It is unhelpful to scapegoat either without finding out who the hell wasn't minding the store. If the only person responsible is the CEO of a 2 million workforce then can we lay off the rest of them?
When I thought of the CDC and FDA, I used to think of careful minders of America's health. Now, what comes to mind is words like sclerotic, elephantine, unresponsive.
Posted by: chuckR at April 02, 2020 12:26 PM (bRvKP)
any government arm, I envision them sitting at their desks either looking at pron or doing cold calls for Dem election campaigns
When I thought of the CDC and FDA, I used to think of careful minders of America's health. Now, what comes to mind is words like sclerotic, elephantine, unresponsive.
Posted by: chuckR at April 02, 2020 12:26 PM (bRvKP)
any government arm, I envision them sitting at their desks either looking at pron or doing cold calls for Dem election campaigns
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2020 12:30 PM (8fB/R)
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we need to call the malaria cocktail "The Trump Cure"
with any luck the TDSers will swear not to take it
Posted by: vmom 2020 at April 02, 2020 12:26 PM (G546f)
THIS. Although wasn't the MFM derisively referring to hydroxychloroquine as Trump pills a couple of weeks ago? Because anything that he suggested of course wouldn't work because he doesn't listen to "the experts"
with any luck the TDSers will swear not to take it
Posted by: vmom 2020 at April 02, 2020 12:26 PM (G546f)
THIS. Although wasn't the MFM derisively referring to hydroxychloroquine as Trump pills a couple of weeks ago? Because anything that he suggested of course wouldn't work because he doesn't listen to "the experts"
Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 02, 2020 12:30 PM (UwKad)
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I mean, it isn't that I think hydroxychloroquine is junk, it's just that
this sort of data is almost (emphasis on almost) noise at this point.
Confounding biases can be very difficult to identify.
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So where is the data from the myriad EMRs used by all major hospitals?
I mean, it isn't that I think hydroxychloroquine is junk, it's just that
this sort of data is almost (emphasis on almost) noise at this point.
Confounding biases can be very difficult to identify.
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So where is the data from the myriad EMRs used by all major hospitals?
Posted by: EPIClies at April 02, 2020 12:30 PM (TnwAJ)
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Obama helping? The man can't handle an umbrella and gate. Why do we even think Obama could be helpful at anything? Cereally.
Posted by: Puddin Head at April 02, 2020 12:30 PM (xAWn5)
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want to take bets on what particular spaz act he did?
He tried re-creating the Old Time Rock-n-Roll scene from Risky Business for his halfwit fangirls, and fell as he slid into frame.
He tried re-creating the Old Time Rock-n-Roll scene from Risky Business for his halfwit fangirls, and fell as he slid into frame.
Posted by: spindrift at April 02, 2020 12:30 PM (75Q6c)
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I think there is "anecdotal" evidence that it is. Stories that people on HCQ for lupus or rheumatoid arthritis commonly don't get flu.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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Analysis - 'true' sort of.
My wife is treated for RA and Lupus (and other auto-immune) disorders. She had her (online) visit with her team this morning. They have had her on Plaquenil for quite some time. These are her Cleveland Clinic guys.
In a nutshell - they all told her to just live her life as she normally would but don't take unnecessary risks. The Plaquenil would help, they thought, but all of us and the general pop is going to be exposed (or not). And get the virus - or not.
If she shows severe symptoms I should bring her in. But the 'no contract with anyone else' regimen is burdensome and probably will not help her.
Just my $.02 and anecdotal at that.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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Analysis - 'true' sort of.
My wife is treated for RA and Lupus (and other auto-immune) disorders. She had her (online) visit with her team this morning. They have had her on Plaquenil for quite some time. These are her Cleveland Clinic guys.
In a nutshell - they all told her to just live her life as she normally would but don't take unnecessary risks. The Plaquenil would help, they thought, but all of us and the general pop is going to be exposed (or not). And get the virus - or not.
If she shows severe symptoms I should bring her in. But the 'no contract with anyone else' regimen is burdensome and probably will not help her.
Just my $.02 and anecdotal at that.
Posted by: Tonypete at April 02, 2020 12:30 PM (Y4EXg)
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>>That pinhead Cuomo sure is in love with the sound of his own voice. I caught just enough of his gibber to find out that he'd like all national resources 'pooled' so he can have first dibs on everything, he'll pay any price so manufacturers start making stuff NY should have already have, and oh, by the way,
I really don't think Cuomo understands how repellant NYC-centeredness is to the rest of us. particularly when he's trying to bogart all the federal medical supplies.
I really don't think Cuomo understands how repellant NYC-centeredness is to the rest of us. particularly when he's trying to bogart all the federal medical supplies.
Posted by: Lizzy at April 02, 2020 12:30 PM (bDqIh)
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Of course. He'd be out on the golf course pretending there is no crisis, so there wouldn't be.
Instead the media would be pointing to all those cases in New York as proof positive that we need universal single payer health care because the private sector isn't prepared to solve problems the way government is.
Posted by: Ernst Schreiber at April 02, 2020 12:28 PM (xmKbk)
He'd have followed Gates' Event201 recs and not stopped travel from hotspots.
Of course. He'd be out on the golf course pretending there is no crisis, so there wouldn't be.
Instead the media would be pointing to all those cases in New York as proof positive that we need universal single payer health care because the private sector isn't prepared to solve problems the way government is.
Posted by: Ernst Schreiber at April 02, 2020 12:28 PM (xmKbk)
He'd have followed Gates' Event201 recs and not stopped travel from hotspots.
Posted by: CN at April 02, 2020 12:30 PM (ONvIw)
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WHERE IS THIS DATA??
Posted by: EPIClies at April 02, 2020 12:13 PM (TnwAJ)
*polite cough*
"Where are the data?"
Pedantically yours, etc.
WHERE IS THIS DATA??
Posted by: EPIClies at April 02, 2020 12:13 PM (TnwAJ)
*polite cough*
"Where are the data?"
Pedantically yours, etc.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 02, 2020 12:30 PM (7rVsF)
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Indeed. This is a good point I didn't see through my Obama hate. Why not step up and offer your services?
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You know, this seems like EXACTLY the kind of thing a community organizer would be qualified to help with.
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You know, this seems like EXACTLY the kind of thing a community organizer would be qualified to help with.
Posted by: Moron Robbie got the Kung Flu Grippe at April 02, 2020 12:30 PM (AwI0L)
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A successful treatment pre-respirator was the only valid reason to try flattening the curve.
Posted by: DaveA at April 02, 2020 12:30 PM (FhXTo)
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Bill Gates wants total social isolation to stop the virus. So he wants to turn us all into computer geeks like him? This is a case of he cure undoubtedly being far worse than the disease.
Posted by: Ripley at April 02, 2020 12:31 PM (MxEKc)
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I thought every death certificate includes the phrase "cardiac arrest".
Posted by: navybrat, holed up at April 02, 2020 12:31 PM (w7KSn)
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want to take bets on what particular spaz act he
did? I say either drunkenly falling on his face, or he brought his
karaoke mike too hard into his stupid face singing "Livin on a Prayer".
Posted by: UGAdawg at April 02, 2020 12:24 PM (tRd71)
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Bets 500 quatloos on "cockring"
Posted by: fixerupper at April 02, 2020 12:26 PM (nw6Hr)
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Sucker (SWIDT) bet.
did? I say either drunkenly falling on his face, or he brought his
karaoke mike too hard into his stupid face singing "Livin on a Prayer".
Posted by: UGAdawg at April 02, 2020 12:24 PM (tRd71)
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Bets 500 quatloos on "cockring"
Posted by: fixerupper at April 02, 2020 12:26 PM (nw6Hr)
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Sucker (SWIDT) bet.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at April 02, 2020 12:31 PM (pw+jk)
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When I thought of the CDC and FDA, I used to think of careful minders
of America's health. Now, what comes to mind is words like sclerotic,
elephantine, unresponsive.
Posted by: chuckR at April 02, 2020 12:26 PM (bRvKP)
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After having spoken with FDA officials...you have no idea.
of America's health. Now, what comes to mind is words like sclerotic,
elephantine, unresponsive.
Posted by: chuckR at April 02, 2020 12:26 PM (bRvKP)
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After having spoken with FDA officials...you have no idea.
Posted by: EPIClies at April 02, 2020 12:31 PM (TnwAJ)
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should be "finding"
Posted by: DaveA at April 02, 2020 12:31 PM (FhXTo)
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Is that true? Is there still quinine in tonic water?
Posted by: Archer at April 02, 2020 12:26 PM (gmo/4)
It says it right on the bottle in big letters like it's a warning.
Posted by: Archer at April 02, 2020 12:26 PM (gmo/4)
It says it right on the bottle in big letters like it's a warning.
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at April 02, 2020 12:31 PM (2DOZq)
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297 259
I mean, it isn't that I think hydroxychloroquine is junk, it's just that
this sort of data is almost (emphasis on almost) noise at this point.
Confounding biases can be very difficult to identify.
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If you want data just survey ER doctors and nurses and see what percentage are currently on hydroxychloroquine. I think the number will surprise you.
I mean, it isn't that I think hydroxychloroquine is junk, it's just that
this sort of data is almost (emphasis on almost) noise at this point.
Confounding biases can be very difficult to identify.
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If you want data just survey ER doctors and nurses and see what percentage are currently on hydroxychloroquine. I think the number will surprise you.
Posted by: Puddin Head at April 02, 2020 12:31 PM (xAWn5)
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117 One of the big generic pharma manufacturers, Teva, is in Israel.
NOOOOOO!!!
Posted by: Ilhan "Chaste Woman" Omar!
______________
I like how she is claiming she has been falsely accused of adultery -- even though everybody knows she was schtupping her BF while both he, and she, were married to other people -- because the koran requires 4 witnesses and nobody has produced 4 witnesses to her adultery.
So I guess as long as you're not broadcasting your adultery on pay-per-view, or inviting the neighbors in to watch, you're officially not an adulterer!
NOOOOOO!!!
Posted by: Ilhan "Chaste Woman" Omar!
______________
I like how she is claiming she has been falsely accused of adultery -- even though everybody knows she was schtupping her BF while both he, and she, were married to other people -- because the koran requires 4 witnesses and nobody has produced 4 witnesses to her adultery.
So I guess as long as you're not broadcasting your adultery on pay-per-view, or inviting the neighbors in to watch, you're officially not an adulterer!
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 02, 2020 12:31 PM (k4dH2)
314
Libtards welcome Wuhan Attack Virus government fiat. "Permanent" changes in society and freedoms. When does the shooting start?
https://tinyurl.com/ql7qdlc
https://tinyurl.com/ql7qdlc
Posted by: Huck Follywood, hunker in the barrel at April 02, 2020 12:32 PM (NVYyb)
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Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 02, 2020 12:21 PM (EGyGV)
Kick him off the router for a day or two.
Posted by: Vanya at April 02, 2020 12:22 PM (BAsqb)
I have a remote switch for the AC plug in a drawer somewhere. I already told my brother I'm digging it out. He just laughed and told me to go for it.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 02, 2020 12:21 PM (EGyGV)
Kick him off the router for a day or two.
Posted by: Vanya at April 02, 2020 12:22 PM (BAsqb)
I have a remote switch for the AC plug in a drawer somewhere. I already told my brother I'm digging it out. He just laughed and told me to go for it.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 02, 2020 12:32 PM (EGyGV)
316
Ace has a cpac as I recall.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2020 12:28 PM (8fB/R)
******
CPAP
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2020 12:28 PM (8fB/R)
******
CPAP
Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 02, 2020 12:32 PM (flINI)
317
I really don't think Cuomo understands how repellant NYC-centeredness is to the rest of us. particularly when he's trying to bogart all the federal medical supplies.
Posted by: Lizzy at April 02, 2020 12:30 PM (bDqIh)
He wants the supplies that states acquired on their own too, while hiding the fact he planned to triage the high risk populace he is "helping" now, like Matilda
Posted by: Lizzy at April 02, 2020 12:30 PM (bDqIh)
He wants the supplies that states acquired on their own too, while hiding the fact he planned to triage the high risk populace he is "helping" now, like Matilda
Posted by: CN at April 02, 2020 12:32 PM (ONvIw)
318
Of course. He'd be out on the golf course pretending there is no crisis, so there wouldn't be.
--
"Bad flu bug going through nursing homes this year."
- NYT page C14
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"Bad flu bug going through nursing homes this year."
- NYT page C14
Posted by: Moron Robbie got the Kung Flu Grippe at April 02, 2020 12:32 PM (AwI0L)
319
So, Dim-Whitmer was late on this, right?
And we're going to want to impeach Donald Trump over *timelines*, right?
How many people did Dim-Whitmer kill?
And we're going to want to impeach Donald Trump over *timelines*, right?
How many people did Dim-Whitmer kill?
Posted by: Axeman at April 02, 2020 12:32 PM (Eicbe)
320
Is that true? Is there still quinine in tonic water?
Posted by: Archer at April 02, 2020 12:26 PM (gmo/4)
Yes, a small amount, mainly to give the characteristic bitter flavor. You'd have to drink a lot of gin and tonics to get a small dose.
So do it 3 times a day?
Posted by: Archer at April 02, 2020 12:26 PM (gmo/4)
Yes, a small amount, mainly to give the characteristic bitter flavor. You'd have to drink a lot of gin and tonics to get a small dose.
So do it 3 times a day?
Posted by: GnuBreed at April 02, 2020 12:32 PM (XF4b8)
321
They should go in his home with guns out, then someone stubs their toe......
Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 02, 2020 12:15 PM (Zz0t1)
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Just tell them Schumer has switched parties. They'll raid him like an ewok jumping on an unconscious hobo.
Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at April 02, 2020 12:15 PM (Zz0t1)
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Just tell them Schumer has switched parties. They'll raid him like an ewok jumping on an unconscious hobo.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at April 02, 2020 12:32 PM (WEBkv)
322
I know more than the best doctors. I could do their job and still hit the course for a quick 18.
Posted by: Preezy Shit Midas at April 02, 2020 12:32 PM (pw+jk)
323
303
WHERE IS THIS DATA??
Posted by: EPIClies at April 02, 2020 12:13 PM (TnwAJ)
*polite cough*
"Where are the data?"
Pedantically yours, etc.
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It depends on what the definition of "is" is.
And, at this point, what difference does it make?
WHERE IS THIS DATA??
Posted by: EPIClies at April 02, 2020 12:13 PM (TnwAJ)
*polite cough*
"Where are the data?"
Pedantically yours, etc.
----------------
It depends on what the definition of "is" is.
And, at this point, what difference does it make?
Posted by: EPIClies at April 02, 2020 12:32 PM (TnwAJ)
324
The national medical stockpile cupboard was bare throughout 7 years of Obama and 3 years of Trump. It is unhelpful to scapegoat either without finding out who the hell wasn't minding the store.
I'm partisan, but I have to disagree. The cupboard got depleted under the Mocha Messiah, who is the one who should have replenished it.
Trump inherited a zillion screwups from said Mocha Messiah. Expecting him to identify, prioritize, and fix every one is, IMO, asking a lot.
I'm partisan, but I have to disagree. The cupboard got depleted under the Mocha Messiah, who is the one who should have replenished it.
Trump inherited a zillion screwups from said Mocha Messiah. Expecting him to identify, prioritize, and fix every one is, IMO, asking a lot.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 02, 2020 12:32 PM (73Q5c)
325
Bill Gates wants total social isolation to stop the virus.
I'm gonna need a LOT more pizza rolls if that's going to be the fix..
I'm gonna need a LOT more pizza rolls if that's going to be the fix..
Posted by: IP - Still a 'ron at April 02, 2020 12:32 PM (CTv2h)
326
Now, what comes to mind is words like sclerotic,
elephantine, unresponsive.
The British term is "jobsworth". As in, "Changing procedures is more than my jobsworth."
Now, what comes to mind is words like sclerotic,
elephantine, unresponsive.
The British term is "jobsworth". As in, "Changing procedures is more than my jobsworth."
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 02, 2020 12:33 PM (7rVsF)
327
BANZAI!
Ted Cruz@tedcruz
WATCH: Japanese Deputy Prime Minister explain how the Chinese Communist government covered up the Wuhan coronavirus epidemic, endangering millions. Says the World Health Organization should be renamed the "China Health Organization" bc they parrot CCP propaganda.
Ted Cruz@tedcruz
WATCH: Japanese Deputy Prime Minister explain how the Chinese Communist government covered up the Wuhan coronavirus epidemic, endangering millions. Says the World Health Organization should be renamed the "China Health Organization" bc they parrot CCP propaganda.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 02, 2020 12:33 PM (+y/Ru)
328
There's quinine in MILF pron?
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 02, 2020 12:27 PM
The fourth letter should be a m, rather than an n.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 02, 2020 12:27 PM
The fourth letter should be a m, rather than an n.
Posted by: J. Random Commentator at April 02, 2020 12:33 PM (DMUuz)
329
Yes, a small amount, mainly to give the characteristic bitter flavor. You'd have to drink a lot of gin and tonics to get a small dose.
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Challenge accepted!
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Challenge accepted!
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at April 02, 2020 12:33 PM (pw+jk)
330
The FDA still hasn't figured out if vaping helps people quit smoking.
Posted by: Corn Fed at April 02, 2020 12:33 PM (EA1BR)
331
*polite cough*
"Where are the data?"
Pedantically yours, etc.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 02, 2020 12:30 PM (7rVsF)
++++++++++++++
I gave up on this. In all of my writing and presentations at work I use the proper "the data are." It gets 'corrected' by people every time.
"Where are the data?"
Pedantically yours, etc.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 02, 2020 12:30 PM (7rVsF)
++++++++++++++
I gave up on this. In all of my writing and presentations at work I use the proper "the data are." It gets 'corrected' by people every time.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 02, 2020 12:33 PM (Q8c/L)
332
If you want data just survey ER doctors and nurses
and see what percentage are currently on hydroxychloroquine. I think the
number will surprise you.
Posted by: Puddin Head at April 02, 2020 12:31 PM (xAWn5)Why would it surprise me? I bet a huge number are.
and see what percentage are currently on hydroxychloroquine. I think the
number will surprise you.
Posted by: Puddin Head at April 02, 2020 12:31 PM (xAWn5)Why would it surprise me? I bet a huge number are.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at April 02, 2020 12:33 PM (CPk08)
333
Ace has a cpac as I recall.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2020 12:28 PM (8fB/R)
The one on the shelf?
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2020 12:28 PM (8fB/R)
The one on the shelf?
Posted by: Diogenes at April 02, 2020 12:33 PM (axyOa)
334
I like how she is claiming she has been falsely accused of adultery -- even though everybody knows she was schtupping her BF while both he, and she, were married to other people -- because the koran requires 4 witnesses and nobody has produced 4 witnesses to her adultery.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 02, 2020 12:31 PM (k4dH2)
It also says you're allowed to lie to unbelievers and shit. Turnabout being fair play,
I totally saw Ilhan Omar and whatshisname playing Hide the Sausage. Totally. I'll put my hand on a Koran and swear it. STONE HER
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 02, 2020 12:31 PM (k4dH2)
It also says you're allowed to lie to unbelievers and shit. Turnabout being fair play,
I totally saw Ilhan Omar and whatshisname playing Hide the Sausage. Totally. I'll put my hand on a Koran and swear it. STONE HER
Posted by: Vanya at April 02, 2020 12:33 PM (BAsqb)
335
I buy tonic water with quinine to help with pain. I buy the Safeway brand that states on the front of the bottle that it contains quinine.
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at April 02, 2020 12:33 PM (IDhUW)
336
Trump inherited a zillion screwups from said Mocha Messiah. Expecting him to identify, prioritize, and fix every one is, IMO, asking a lot.
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In addition, they held up his appointments.
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In addition, they held up his appointments.
Posted by: SH at April 02, 2020 12:33 PM (sX1BW)
337
WHERE IS THIS DATA??
Posted by: EPIClies at April 02, 2020 12:13 PM (TnwAJ)
..........
Oak island?
Posted by: EPIClies at April 02, 2020 12:13 PM (TnwAJ)
..........
Oak island?
Posted by: wth at April 02, 2020 12:34 PM (v0R5T)
338
322 I know more than the best doctors. I could do their job and still hit the course for a quick 18.
Posted by: Preezy Shit Midas at April 02, 2020 12:32 PM (pw+jk)
Maybe this time you could break 200. Keep a good thought!
Posted by: Preezy Shit Midas at April 02, 2020 12:32 PM (pw+jk)
Maybe this time you could break 200. Keep a good thought!
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 02, 2020 12:34 PM (73Q5c)
Posted by: vmom 2020 at April 02, 2020 12:34 PM (G546f)
340
250 OT/ but Trump tweeted that he has "spoken" to the Saudis and by proxy the Russians and he expects them to cut their production of oil...
With the economic collapse sure to come around because of all this, do we care if they're committing mutual suicide?
With the economic collapse sure to come around because of all this, do we care if they're committing mutual suicide?
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 02, 2020 12:34 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 02, 2020 12:34 PM (e284m)
Posted by: Axeman at April 02, 2020 12:34 PM (Eicbe)
343
Hey, what ever happened to Michael Avenatti? How is he doing these days?
Posted by: Duncan Macleod, The Highlander at April 02, 2020 12:34 PM (5bp/r)
344
Lung damage.Yes it's bad and will change your life. But there are drugs that can help with that. (I'm on Advair). People really should learn to protect their lungs from damage and I hope dust masks become fashionable. Let's get people on chloroquine early and see if we can prevent the lung damage too.
Posted by: notsothoreau at April 02, 2020 12:34 PM (JKNZq)
345
I gave up on this. In all of my writing and presentations at work I use the proper "the data are." It gets 'corrected' by people every time.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 02, 2020 12:33 PM (Q8c/L)
The problem is, I can't think of it any other way.
I gave up on this. In all of my writing and presentations at work I use the proper "the data are." It gets 'corrected' by people every time.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 02, 2020 12:33 PM (Q8c/L)
The problem is, I can't think of it any other way.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 02, 2020 12:34 PM (7rVsF)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 02, 2020 12:34 PM (oVJmc)
347
Now, what comes to mind is words like sclerotic,
elephantine, unresponsive.
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This is about me, isn't it?
*hic*
elephantine, unresponsive.
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This is about me, isn't it?
*hic*
Posted by: Hillary at April 02, 2020 12:34 PM (dFDFl)
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@seanmdav 33 minutes ago
The IMHE model for the Wuhan coronavirus that the White House is relying on is garbage. It is using NY/NJ data and applying it to the rest of the U.S.
It predicted that over 121,000 Americans would be hospitalized yesterday over the coronavirus. The actual number? 31,142.
Great thread!
https://tinyurl.com/v96rtk4
The IMHE model for the Wuhan coronavirus that the White House is relying on is garbage. It is using NY/NJ data and applying it to the rest of the U.S.
It predicted that over 121,000 Americans would be hospitalized yesterday over the coronavirus. The actual number? 31,142.
Great thread!
https://tinyurl.com/v96rtk4
Posted by: Tami at April 02, 2020 12:34 PM (cF8AT)
349
After all this time we still don't have complete stats or firm data.
There's a reason for this, you know.
There's a reason for this, you know.
Posted by: Sooner at April 02, 2020 12:34 PM (Fs5vw)
350
331
*polite cough*
"Where are the data?"
Pedantically yours, etc.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 02, 2020 12:30 PM (7rVsF)
++++++++++++++
I gave up on this. In all of my writing and presentations at work I
use the proper "the data are." It gets 'corrected' by people every time.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 02, 2020 12:33 PM (Q8c/L)
Not many people know this, but correct usage is "Where am the data."
*polite cough*
"Where are the data?"
Pedantically yours, etc.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 02, 2020 12:30 PM (7rVsF)
++++++++++++++
I gave up on this. In all of my writing and presentations at work I
use the proper "the data are." It gets 'corrected' by people every time.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 02, 2020 12:33 PM (Q8c/L)
Not many people know this, but correct usage is "Where am the data."
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at April 02, 2020 12:35 PM (CPk08)
351
Is that true? Is there still quinine in tonic water?
Posted by: Archer at April 02, 2020 12:26 PM (gmo/4)
Yes, a small amount, mainly to give the characteristic bitter flavor. You'd have to drink a lot of gin and tonics to get a small dose.
So do it 3 times a day?
Posted by: GnuBreed at April 02, 2020 12:32 PM (XF4b
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gin and tonics will become standard fare in office break rooms as a preventative measure.
Posted by: Archer at April 02, 2020 12:26 PM (gmo/4)
Yes, a small amount, mainly to give the characteristic bitter flavor. You'd have to drink a lot of gin and tonics to get a small dose.
So do it 3 times a day?
Posted by: GnuBreed at April 02, 2020 12:32 PM (XF4b
-------------
gin and tonics will become standard fare in office break rooms as a preventative measure.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at April 02, 2020 12:35 PM (WEBkv)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2020 12:35 PM (8fB/R)
353
Here is an evil thought,
Chloriquine and Hydroxy Chloriquine are generic drugs and dirt cheap.
A few years ago, someone did a study that used chochiline(sp?) as an anti-gout med, as it was used off label as an anti-gout drug. It worked, the study was approved by the FDA, so they PATENTED the generic drug, and jacked the price way up.
Will this FDA study allow a drug company to do the same thing? I doubt it, because the FDA is doing it.
Chloriquine and Hydroxy Chloriquine are generic drugs and dirt cheap.
A few years ago, someone did a study that used chochiline(sp?) as an anti-gout med, as it was used off label as an anti-gout drug. It worked, the study was approved by the FDA, so they PATENTED the generic drug, and jacked the price way up.
Will this FDA study allow a drug company to do the same thing? I doubt it, because the FDA is doing it.
Posted by: rd at April 02, 2020 12:35 PM (+0uDE)
354
I gave up on this. In all of my writing and presentations at work I use the proper "the data are." It gets 'corrected' by people every time.
Sorry, but we've been using 'data' as a collective term for a long time.
Be better...
Sorry, but we've been using 'data' as a collective term for a long time.
Be better...
Posted by: t-bird at April 02, 2020 12:35 PM (nIvDu)
355
The national medical stockpile cupboard was bare throughout 7 years of Obama and 3 years of Trump. It is unhelpful to scapegoat either without finding out who the hell wasn't minding the store.
--
One of them literally has a medical takeover law named after him that has been in place for a decade, so I'm putting my money on that one.
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One of them literally has a medical takeover law named after him that has been in place for a decade, so I'm putting my money on that one.
Posted by: Moron Robbie got the Kung Flu Grippe at April 02, 2020 12:35 PM (AwI0L)
356
Not many people know this, but correct usage is "Where am the data."
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at April 02, 2020 12:35 PM (CPk0
Or, "Where be the data?"
Not many people know this, but correct usage is "Where am the data."
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at April 02, 2020 12:35 PM (CPk0
Or, "Where be the data?"
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 02, 2020 12:35 PM (7rVsF)
357
Bill Gates wants total social isolation to stop the virus.
Thus boosting computer sales.
I couldn't give a tinker's damn what Billy wants.
Thus boosting computer sales.
I couldn't give a tinker's damn what Billy wants.
Posted by: Diogenes at April 02, 2020 12:35 PM (axyOa)
358
Saw a Thank Us For Our Service! ad by the Fox talking faces, sheltering at home, cuddling their dogs, etc.
Get back to us when just one of you has lost your huge salary and benefits.
Get back to us when just one of you has lost your huge salary and benefits.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 02, 2020 12:36 PM (ptqGC)
359
I just use presidential speeches as an example but the same goes for pretty much every other thing the press chooses to cover.
What function do they serve anymore except to shape a narrative?
Posted by: 29Victor at April 02, 2020 12:18 PM (BJKQV)
As far as I can tell, their job is to interpret what was said for "we, the imbeciles" because we're too stupid to understand.
In other words, they fill in the spaces between the commercials for products.
What function do they serve anymore except to shape a narrative?
Posted by: 29Victor at April 02, 2020 12:18 PM (BJKQV)
As far as I can tell, their job is to interpret what was said for "we, the imbeciles" because we're too stupid to understand.
In other words, they fill in the spaces between the commercials for products.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 02, 2020 12:36 PM (e284m)
360
Bill Gates wants total social isolation to stop the virus.
Posted by: Ripley at April 02, 2020 12:31 PM (MxEKc)
Sounds good as long as he pays everyone who isn't working and compensates small businesses for their losses.
Posted by: Ripley at April 02, 2020 12:31 PM (MxEKc)
Sounds good as long as he pays everyone who isn't working and compensates small businesses for their losses.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at April 02, 2020 12:36 PM (QGI53)
361
Libtards welcome Wuhan Attack Virus government fiat. "Permanent" changes in society and freedoms. When does the shooting start?
https://tinyurl.com/ql7qdlc
Posted by: Huck Follywood, hunker in the barrel at April 02, 2020 12:32 PM (NVYyb)
Never let a crisis go to waste
https://tinyurl.com/ql7qdlc
Posted by: Huck Follywood, hunker in the barrel at April 02, 2020 12:32 PM (NVYyb)
Never let a crisis go to waste
Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 02, 2020 12:36 PM (UwKad)
362
So do it 3 times a day?
Posted by: GnuBreed at April 02, 2020 12:32 PM (XF4b
+++++++++++++++
The recipe for not getting the virus (or for just not caring if you do - the jury's out
) is:
2:1 gin:tonic. Consume at least three fifths of gin per day.
/sarc|joke, just in case...
Posted by: GnuBreed at April 02, 2020 12:32 PM (XF4b
+++++++++++++++
The recipe for not getting the virus (or for just not caring if you do - the jury's out
) is:
2:1 gin:tonic. Consume at least three fifths of gin per day.
/sarc|joke, just in case...
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 02, 2020 12:36 PM (Q8c/L)
363
Yo, where the data at?
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 02, 2020 12:36 PM (NWiLs)
364
I can't think of anyone of less relevance than Valjar. The ship has sailed without that rat(face).
Posted by: Xipe Totec at April 02, 2020 12:36 PM (o2MD2)
365
This is going to be over soon. The natives are getting restless.
Posted by: creeper at April 02, 2020 12:36 PM (XxJt1)
366
325 Bill Gates wants total social isolation to stop the virus.
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I'd like Micro Soft Office to work as well as Apple, but I know that is never gonna happen. Hey, Bill, stay under the covers and I won't fart. Promise.
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I'd like Micro Soft Office to work as well as Apple, but I know that is never gonna happen. Hey, Bill, stay under the covers and I won't fart. Promise.
Posted by: Puddin Head at April 02, 2020 12:36 PM (xAWn5)
367
Thems be the dater.
Posted by: Moron Robbie got the Kung Flu Grippe at April 02, 2020 12:36 PM (AwI0L)
368
Looks like an excellent day for a walk. Think 1 1/2 hours should do it. Looking forward to seeing the woman oot running who is training for a marathon.
Posted by: tubal at April 02, 2020 12:36 PM (90T4r)
369
Bill Gates wants total social isolation to stop the virus.
Posted by: Ripley at April 02, 2020 12:31 PM (MxEKc)
Sounds good as long as he pays everyone who isn't working and compensates small businesses for their losses.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at April 02, 2020 12:36 PM (QGI53)
THIS! Let that jagoff fund it
Bill Gates wants total social isolation to stop the virus.
Posted by: Ripley at April 02, 2020 12:31 PM (MxEKc)
Sounds good as long as he pays everyone who isn't working and compensates small businesses for their losses.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at April 02, 2020 12:36 PM (QGI53)
THIS! Let that jagoff fund it
Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 02, 2020 12:36 PM (UwKad)
370
I gave up on this. In all of my writing and presentations at work I use the proper "the data are." It gets 'corrected' by people every time.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 02, 2020 12:33 PM (Q8c/L)
Corrected by the same retards who say "the media IS ..."
We was just talking about that the other day. Subject-verb agreement in number is an instrument of the white patriarchy.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 02, 2020 12:33 PM (Q8c/L)
Corrected by the same retards who say "the media IS ..."
We was just talking about that the other day. Subject-verb agreement in number is an instrument of the white patriarchy.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 02, 2020 12:36 PM (73Q5c)
371
Oh, Data.. Where art thou?
Posted by: IP - Still a 'ron at April 02, 2020 12:36 PM (CTv2h)
Posted by: Tonypete at April 02, 2020 12:37 PM (Y4EXg)
373
When I thought of the CDC and FDA, I used to think of careful minders of America's health. Now, what comes to mind is words like sclerotic, elephantine, unresponsive.
Posted by: chuckR at April 02, 2020 12:26 PM (bRvKP)
Everyone repeat this until you never forget it. Every bureaucracy will eventually reject its initial purpose, and instead focus on gaining political power.
Folks say this here from to time - yet we always seem surprised when another "trusted institution" turns out to be a rotten pile of shit. Learn it and live it - there are no organizations that give a shit about any of us. They give a shit about preserving their own power. And that's it.
Posted by: chuckR at April 02, 2020 12:26 PM (bRvKP)
Everyone repeat this until you never forget it. Every bureaucracy will eventually reject its initial purpose, and instead focus on gaining political power.
Folks say this here from to time - yet we always seem surprised when another "trusted institution" turns out to be a rotten pile of shit. Learn it and live it - there are no organizations that give a shit about any of us. They give a shit about preserving their own power. And that's it.
Posted by: I Am No One at April 02, 2020 12:37 PM (ddW/y)
374
Bill Gates wants total social isolation to stop the virus.
I'm gonna need a LOT more pizza rolls if that's going to be the fix..
Posted by: IP - Still a 'ron at April 02, 2020 12:32 PM (CTv2h)
.........
Damn, I should have thought of those. I went shopping yesterday and they were all out of Beanie Weenie!
OUT OF BEANIE WEENIE AAAAIIEEEE
I'm gonna need a LOT more pizza rolls if that's going to be the fix..
Posted by: IP - Still a 'ron at April 02, 2020 12:32 PM (CTv2h)
.........
Damn, I should have thought of those. I went shopping yesterday and they were all out of Beanie Weenie!
OUT OF BEANIE WEENIE AAAAIIEEEE
Posted by: wth at April 02, 2020 12:37 PM (v0R5T)
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/engage rant mode/
Just for the record, the idea that something that lacks a control group is "just anecdotal", ie. NOT SCIENCE!!! AAIIIEEEE!!! is, uhm...wrong.
Anecdote: your aunt Millie noticing her butt gets bigger during the holidays.
Science: Doctors recording information regarding their patient's reaction to a certain drug, analyzing that data and reaching a conclusion and/or forming a hypothesis.
Or look at it this way - how many valuable studies have involved going back decades and performing analysis of patient records? Plenty. That's valuable, scientific data. Newspaper or personal accounts about such things are not.
/disengage rant mode/
Laterz!!!
/engage rant mode/
Just for the record, the idea that something that lacks a control group is "just anecdotal", ie. NOT SCIENCE!!! AAIIIEEEE!!! is, uhm...wrong.
Anecdote: your aunt Millie noticing her butt gets bigger during the holidays.
Science: Doctors recording information regarding their patient's reaction to a certain drug, analyzing that data and reaching a conclusion and/or forming a hypothesis.
Or look at it this way - how many valuable studies have involved going back decades and performing analysis of patient records? Plenty. That's valuable, scientific data. Newspaper or personal accounts about such things are not.
/disengage rant mode/
Laterz!!!
Posted by: Gooshy at April 02, 2020 12:37 PM (wU1IM)
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Only time I have seen any athlete do anything was with JJ Watt's organization after the Hurricane relief a while back.
Other than that... nothing... from any multi-millionaire athlete... in any sport.
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at April 02, 2020 12:28 PM (Do5/p)
Going back a while, but Roberto Clemente.
Other than that... nothing... from any multi-millionaire athlete... in any sport.
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at April 02, 2020 12:28 PM (Do5/p)
Going back a while, but Roberto Clemente.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 02, 2020 12:37 PM (miJU3)
377
360 Bill Gates wants total social isolation to stop the virus.
Posted by: Ripley at April 02, 2020 12:31 PM (MxEKc)
Sounds good as long as he pays everyone who isn't working and compensates small businesses for their losses.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at April 02, 2020 12:36 PM (QGI53)
I should listen to him, why??
Posted by: Ripley at April 02, 2020 12:31 PM (MxEKc)
Sounds good as long as he pays everyone who isn't working and compensates small businesses for their losses.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at April 02, 2020 12:36 PM (QGI53)
I should listen to him, why??
Posted by: tubal at April 02, 2020 12:37 PM (90T4r)
378
Or, "Where be the data?"
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 02, 2020 12:35 PM (7rVsF)
If you know where the data is, but are unsure who it belongs to -
"who's data this be" is proper.
Or, "Where be the data?"
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 02, 2020 12:35 PM (7rVsF)
If you know where the data is, but are unsure who it belongs to -
"who's data this be" is proper.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 02, 2020 12:37 PM (e284m)
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>>Obama helping? The man can't handle an umbrella and gate. Why do we even think Obama could be helpful at anything? Cereally.
Oh sure, I don't think he could help all that much.
I'm just looking at how he's behaving in a crisis:
"I could do this much better," and then sits back and does nothing.
Imagine a retired fire chief doing that when half the town is on fire.
It's a freakin' worldwide pandemic, so if you know how to handle this better, smartguy, by all means grace us with your insight instead of sitting on your a$$!
Oh sure, I don't think he could help all that much.
I'm just looking at how he's behaving in a crisis:
"I could do this much better," and then sits back and does nothing.
Imagine a retired fire chief doing that when half the town is on fire.
It's a freakin' worldwide pandemic, so if you know how to handle this better, smartguy, by all means grace us with your insight instead of sitting on your a$$!
Posted by: Lizzy at April 02, 2020 12:37 PM (bDqIh)
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Bill Gates wants total social isolation to stop the virus.
Posted by: Ripley at April 02, 2020 12:31 PM (MxEKc)
His looks and BO sufficed to enforce his total social isolation until he scored his first billion.
Posted by: Ripley at April 02, 2020 12:31 PM (MxEKc)
His looks and BO sufficed to enforce his total social isolation until he scored his first billion.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 02, 2020 12:38 PM (73Q5c)
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364 I can't think of anyone of less relevance than Valjar. The ship has sailed without that rat(face).
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What about Rice and Yates and Strozk and Comey and Biden and Brennan and Amy Berman Jackson?
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What about Rice and Yates and Strozk and Comey and Biden and Brennan and Amy Berman Jackson?
Posted by: Puddin Head at April 02, 2020 12:38 PM (xAWn5)
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Not many people know this, but correct usage is "Where am the data."
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at April 02, 2020 12:35 PM (CPk0
Or, "Where be the data?"
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 02, 2020 12:35 PM (7rVsF)
We need to educate more people on this point.
Not many people know this, but correct usage is "Where am the data."
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at April 02, 2020 12:35 PM (CPk0
Or, "Where be the data?"
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 02, 2020 12:35 PM (7rVsF)
We need to educate more people on this point.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at April 02, 2020 12:38 PM (CPk08)
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Not many people know this, but correct usage is "Where am the data."
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at April 02, 2020 12:35 PM (CPk0
Or, "Where be the data?"
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 02, 2020 12:35 PM (7rVsF)
********
NAH NAH NAH... It's "Where the data be at?".
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at April 02, 2020 12:35 PM (CPk0
Or, "Where be the data?"
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 02, 2020 12:35 PM (7rVsF)
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NAH NAH NAH... It's "Where the data be at?".
Posted by: La'Dontcha'Trane Jefferson Goldberg at April 02, 2020 12:38 PM (flINI)
384
Rush said IHME model is funded by the Gates Foundation (he of Event 201 fame). Had not heard that before.
Posted by: CDC Commissar Dr Hrothgar at April 02, 2020 12:38 PM (BiNEL)
385
In researching facts to pound Idiot Liberals with on Twatter recently, I discovered that in 2009 in the midst of the Swine Flu outbreak, Obama actually waited until 4 vaccines were approved by the FDA before he declared a National Emergency.
The "Grim" milestones he reached before finally got off his lazy ass and picked up his pen was 1,000 people dead, and more than 6 months had passed since the first case was diagnosed.
And These Fucking Imbeciles want to argue that Trump has blood on his hands.
The "Grim" milestones he reached before finally got off his lazy ass and picked up his pen was 1,000 people dead, and more than 6 months had passed since the first case was diagnosed.
And These Fucking Imbeciles want to argue that Trump has blood on his hands.
Posted by: Sharkman at April 02, 2020 12:39 PM (UI5zK)
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"After all this time we still don't have complete stats or firm data."
Which is the same reason the debate over AOC's boobs rages on.
"After all this time we still don't have complete stats or firm data."
Which is the same reason the debate over AOC's boobs rages on.
Posted by: Ripley at April 02, 2020 12:39 PM (MxEKc)
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I bet most people don't know that in Cuomo's New York they add a 9.6% tax to your hospital bill (paid by the patient) and it's the third largest source of revenue for the state. Plus New York charges employers who cover insurance cost and extra fee. This all brings in about $5 billion a year to New York.
Think they'll be dropping any of that? You know, because of their great beneficent leader?
Yes, please draft Cuomo, DNC.
Think they'll be dropping any of that? You know, because of their great beneficent leader?
Yes, please draft Cuomo, DNC.
Posted by: Marcus T at April 02, 2020 12:39 PM (VpIIl)
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295
I asked my daughter the nurse about this stuff. As it happens she has
taken HCQ for years as a treatment for a chronic condition. Fortunate
given her exposure to elderly sick people. She and her paramedic fella
have 6 N95 masks they sterilize and rotate using with a handheld UV
device. Wow.The national medical stockpile cupboard was bare throughout 7
years of Obama and 3 years of Trump. It is unhelpful to scapegoat
either without finding out who the hell wasn't minding the store. If the
only person responsible is the CEO of a 2 million workforce then can we
lay off the rest of them?
When I thought of the CDC and FDA, I used to think of careful
minders of America's health. Now, what comes to mind is words like
sclerotic, elephantine, unresponsive.
Posted by: chuckR at April 02, 2020 12:26 PM (bRvKP)
any government arm, I envision them sitting at their desks either looking at pron or doing cold calls for Dem election campaigns
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2020 12:30 PM (8fB/R)
Not the EPA. At least they did stuff. Like dropping deuces in the hallways.
I asked my daughter the nurse about this stuff. As it happens she has
taken HCQ for years as a treatment for a chronic condition. Fortunate
given her exposure to elderly sick people. She and her paramedic fella
have 6 N95 masks they sterilize and rotate using with a handheld UV
device. Wow.The national medical stockpile cupboard was bare throughout 7
years of Obama and 3 years of Trump. It is unhelpful to scapegoat
either without finding out who the hell wasn't minding the store. If the
only person responsible is the CEO of a 2 million workforce then can we
lay off the rest of them?
When I thought of the CDC and FDA, I used to think of careful
minders of America's health. Now, what comes to mind is words like
sclerotic, elephantine, unresponsive.
Posted by: chuckR at April 02, 2020 12:26 PM (bRvKP)
any government arm, I envision them sitting at their desks either looking at pron or doing cold calls for Dem election campaigns
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2020 12:30 PM (8fB/R)
Not the EPA. At least they did stuff. Like dropping deuces in the hallways.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at April 02, 2020 12:39 PM (N39Ws)
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Ace has a cpac as I recall.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette
The one on the shelf?
Posted by: Diogenes
I think I see the issue.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette
The one on the shelf?
Posted by: Diogenes
I think I see the issue.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 02, 2020 12:39 PM (W2taJ)
390
Mark Steyn made a very good point in column a couple days ago. This whole hoopla about respirators respirators. The survival rate of respirator patients is what? Mark says 9/10 don't make it. But no data source, but from what I've learned, that may be right. So really. "So fretting about ventilators, while decent and humane, is ultimately marginal."
Posted by: Roscoe at April 02, 2020 12:39 PM (A8isT)
391
I also find that if you say "Where is the fucking data? I need that fucking data!" nobody corrects your grammar.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at April 02, 2020 12:39 PM (CPk08)
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>>Bill Gates wants total social isolation to stop the virus.
Not all of us live in 1000sq (or whatever) combination home/meeting site/spas on the lake, buddy.
Not all of us live in 1000sq (or whatever) combination home/meeting site/spas on the lake, buddy.
Posted by: Lizzy at April 02, 2020 12:40 PM (bDqIh)
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Bill Gates wants total social isolation to stop the virus. So he wants to turn us all into computer geeks like him? This is a case of he cure undoubtedly being far worse than the disease.
Posted by: Ripley at April 02, 2020 12:31 PM (MxEKc)
Billy Gates hasn't been a computer geek for at least 40 years, if not longer. That's assuming he was EVER a computer geek.
Bill Gates wants total social isolation to stop the virus. So he wants to turn us all into computer geeks like him? This is a case of he cure undoubtedly being far worse than the disease.
Posted by: Ripley at April 02, 2020 12:31 PM (MxEKc)
Billy Gates hasn't been a computer geek for at least 40 years, if not longer. That's assuming he was EVER a computer geek.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 02, 2020 12:40 PM (EGyGV)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2020 12:40 PM (8fB/R)
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391 I also find that if you say "Where is the fucking data? I need that fucking data!" nobody corrects your grammar.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at April 02, 2020 12:39 PM (CPk0
Waving a gun around whilst doing so helps as well.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at April 02, 2020 12:39 PM (CPk0
Waving a gun around whilst doing so helps as well.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 02, 2020 12:40 PM (NWiLs)
396
Whose bitch dis data be?
Posted by: Guy Smiley at April 02, 2020 12:40 PM (KxVoZ)
397
386
"After all this time we still don't have complete stats or firm data."
Which is the same reason the debate over AOC's boobs rages on.
Posted by: Ripley at April 02, 2020 12:39 PM (MxEKc)
Six months after she is voted out of office she'll be dancing and swinging from a pole.
"After all this time we still don't have complete stats or firm data."
Which is the same reason the debate over AOC's boobs rages on.
Posted by: Ripley at April 02, 2020 12:39 PM (MxEKc)
Six months after she is voted out of office she'll be dancing and swinging from a pole.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at April 02, 2020 12:40 PM (N39Ws)
398
Ace - As I mentioned yesterday.. 2 days ago, there was a new controlled study from China that showed positive results for hydrochoroquine.
https://tinyurl.com/vlo6msq
https://tinyurl.com/vlo6msq
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 02, 2020 12:40 PM (CjFDo)
399
282 So upon seeing that Robert Kraft used his own money to buy masks and medical supplies for NY medical personnel, it got me thinking...
{snips lots of stuff over-analyized}
Hey, isn't that the dude that got swept up in a massage parlor/prostitution sting down in FL?
Why yes he was. Dude's buying some redemption.
{snips lots of stuff over-analyized}
Hey, isn't that the dude that got swept up in a massage parlor/prostitution sting down in FL?
Why yes he was. Dude's buying some redemption.
Posted by: GnuBreed at April 02, 2020 12:40 PM (XF4b8)
400
Who data dis is?
Posted by: Ripley at April 02, 2020 12:40 PM (MxEKc)
401
Oh, Data.. Where art thou?
Posted by: IP - Still a 'ron at April 02, 2020 12:36 PM (CTv2h)
........
Last time I saw him was on an episode of Big Bang Theory.
Posted by: IP - Still a 'ron at April 02, 2020 12:36 PM (CTv2h)
........
Last time I saw him was on an episode of Big Bang Theory.
Posted by: wth at April 02, 2020 12:40 PM (v0R5T)
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Just for the record, the idea that something that lacks a control group is "just anecdotal", ie. NOT SCIENCE!!! AAIIIEEEE!!! is, uhm...wrong.
Laterz!!!
Posted by: Gooshy at April 02, 2020 12:37 PM (wU1IM)
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Controlled experiments are NOT MUCH more than accelerated and planned trial and error.
We're going to let this group over here NOT be treated by anything and DIE--FOR SCIENCE!
Kind of weakens the argument that Science makes everything better.
Too many people in the world are brittle thinkers. They don't really understand the high-level reason for the low-level procedures.
Laterz!!!
Posted by: Gooshy at April 02, 2020 12:37 PM (wU1IM)
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Controlled experiments are NOT MUCH more than accelerated and planned trial and error.
We're going to let this group over here NOT be treated by anything and DIE--FOR SCIENCE!
Kind of weakens the argument that Science makes everything better.
Too many people in the world are brittle thinkers. They don't really understand the high-level reason for the low-level procedures.
Posted by: Axeman at April 02, 2020 12:40 PM (Eicbe)
403
Bill Gates wants total social isolation to stop the virus.
Posted by: IP - Still a 'ron at April 02, 2020 12:32 PM (CTv2h)
And I want a billion dollars and a Swiss ski instructor chick in my bed tonight.
They want zero risk. There is no zero risk. It is impractical to the average person and impossible to enforce without welding people's doors and windows shut. Don't make laws that people can't obey without starving and the police can't enforce without killing everyone.
Posted by: IP - Still a 'ron at April 02, 2020 12:32 PM (CTv2h)
And I want a billion dollars and a Swiss ski instructor chick in my bed tonight.
They want zero risk. There is no zero risk. It is impractical to the average person and impossible to enforce without welding people's doors and windows shut. Don't make laws that people can't obey without starving and the police can't enforce without killing everyone.
Posted by: Vanya at April 02, 2020 12:41 PM (BAsqb)
404
Do we lose this many doctors and nurses and hospital staff each year due to the flu?
I keep hearing that we are losing them here and there.
Is this true for regular flu season?
Do we lose this many doctors and nurses and hospital staff each year due to the flu?
I keep hearing that we are losing them here and there.
Is this true for regular flu season?
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2020 12:41 PM (8fB/R)
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@jennfranconews 1 minute ago
#BREAKING: OANN White House Correspondent @ChanelRion tells me she has been invited by @PressSec Stephanie Grisham to attend today's coronavirus press briefing, despite being voted out the rotation by the @whca yesterday for violating social distancing guidelines.
#BREAKING: OANN White House Correspondent @ChanelRion tells me she has been invited by @PressSec Stephanie Grisham to attend today's coronavirus press briefing, despite being voted out the rotation by the @whca yesterday for violating social distancing guidelines.
Posted by: Tami at April 02, 2020 12:41 PM (cF8AT)
Posted by: IP - Still a 'ron at April 02, 2020 12:41 PM (CTv2h)
407
My favorite is "let's spice up that data!"
or
"data schmata, I have one record, how many more do I need?"
or
"data schmata, I have one record, how many more do I need?"
Posted by: Michael Mann at April 02, 2020 12:41 PM (e284m)
408
Corrected by the same retards who say "the media IS ..."
When, of course, the proper form is "the media suck".
When, of course, the proper form is "the media suck".
Posted by: pep at April 02, 2020 12:41 PM (T6t7i)
409
Here's another New York tidbit. Last year, as Democrats were celebrating their new abortion laws, giving free college to illegal immigrants and generously rewarding all their political friends, the New York Comptroller warned they were positioned for a $7 billion revenue shortfall.
Bet you didn't know that.
Bet you didn't know that.
Posted by: Marcus T at April 02, 2020 12:41 PM (VpIIl)
Posted by: Ima Pseudonym at April 02, 2020 12:41 PM (d6DSt)
411
I just recently took my brother to the hospital. He was treated like he had chinee lung ick, but he and I both knew it was due to a long term illness he has.
Fluid in his pleural lining was collapsing his lungs, and his heart was going crazy trying to get oxygen into the system. It is a finely tuned feedback system, and its no wonder it pushed people with weak hearts over the edge. I was concerned my brother would die from heart failure.
And I am currently outside Stanford hospital now as they drain it for a fifth time. Very quiet.
California needs to just start using masks and open up, and protect vulnerable populations like my brother by keeping those like him isolated.
Fluid in his pleural lining was collapsing his lungs, and his heart was going crazy trying to get oxygen into the system. It is a finely tuned feedback system, and its no wonder it pushed people with weak hearts over the edge. I was concerned my brother would die from heart failure.
And I am currently outside Stanford hospital now as they drain it for a fifth time. Very quiet.
California needs to just start using masks and open up, and protect vulnerable populations like my brother by keeping those like him isolated.
Posted by: Morticus Khan at April 02, 2020 12:41 PM (3HSUi)
412
360 Bill Gates wants total social isolation to stop the virus.
Posted by: Ripley at April 02, 2020 12:31 PM (MxEKc)
Sounds good as long as he pays everyone who isn't working and compensates small businesses for their losses.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at April 02, 2020 12:36 PM (QGI53)
I should listen to him, why??
Posted by: tubal at April 02, 2020 12:37 PM (90T4r)
==
Well Gates managed to run companies that made much better software (Wordperfect, QuatroPro, Dbase,....) out of business and give us inferior products.
Posted by: Ripley at April 02, 2020 12:31 PM (MxEKc)
Sounds good as long as he pays everyone who isn't working and compensates small businesses for their losses.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at April 02, 2020 12:36 PM (QGI53)
I should listen to him, why??
Posted by: tubal at April 02, 2020 12:37 PM (90T4r)
==
Well Gates managed to run companies that made much better software (Wordperfect, QuatroPro, Dbase,....) out of business and give us inferior products.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at April 02, 2020 12:41 PM (pw+jk)
413
Calif. Gov. @GavinNewsom:
"We see this as an opportunity to reshape the way we do business and how we govern."
Yeah. So do we.
"We see this as an opportunity to reshape the way we do business and how we govern."
Yeah. So do we.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 02, 2020 12:41 PM (73Q5c)
414
We're not going to give our patients WATER--PEOPLE DROWN, YOU KNOW!!!!
-- Progs
Posted by: Axeman at April 02, 2020 12:34 PM (Eicbe)
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Water. 2 parts hydrogen. 1 part Oxygen.
Hydrogen - incredibly flammable gas.
Oxygen - gas required to support intense open burning
HOW HAS DESANTI NOT BLOWN PEOPLE TO SMITHEREENS YET!?!?!?!?!
-- Progs
Posted by: Axeman at April 02, 2020 12:34 PM (Eicbe)
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Water. 2 parts hydrogen. 1 part Oxygen.
Hydrogen - incredibly flammable gas.
Oxygen - gas required to support intense open burning
HOW HAS DESANTI NOT BLOWN PEOPLE TO SMITHEREENS YET!?!?!?!?!
Posted by: fixerupper at April 02, 2020 12:42 PM (nw6Hr)
415
No datadata. No datadata!
Posted by: Razzing from the Bench at April 02, 2020 12:42 PM (KxVoZ)
416
And use the fish tank cleaner. I was planning on a teaspoon full when I got home just to get started.
Posted by: Morticus Khan at April 02, 2020 12:42 PM (3HSUi)
417
Trump inherited a zillion screwups from said Mocha Messiah. Expecting him to identify, prioritize, and fix every one is, IMO, asking a lot.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 02, 2020 12:32 PM (73Q5c)
And you can be sure that none of the deep-state O'bots in the agencies would step up and tell Trump about the land mines left behind.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 02, 2020 12:32 PM (73Q5c)
And you can be sure that none of the deep-state O'bots in the agencies would step up and tell Trump about the land mines left behind.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 02, 2020 12:43 PM (miJU3)
418
It is truly stunning that the libs have totally weaponized this while people, their fellow countrymen, are losing their jobs, businesses and lives. It is insane.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at April 02, 2020 12:43 PM (7Fj9P)
Posted by: t-bird at April 02, 2020 12:43 PM (nIvDu)
420
4m
#BREAKING: OANN White House Correspondent @ChanelRion tells me she has been invited by @PressSec Stephanie Grisham to attend today's coronavirus press briefing, despite being voted out the rotation by the @whca yesterday for violating social distancing guidelines.
#BREAKING: OANN White House Correspondent @ChanelRion tells me she has been invited by @PressSec Stephanie Grisham to attend today's coronavirus press briefing, despite being voted out the rotation by the @whca yesterday for violating social distancing guidelines.
Posted by: WuHAN Solo at April 02, 2020 12:44 PM (VjF1c)
421
#BREAKING: OANN White House Correspondent @ChanelRion tells me she has been invited by @PressSec Stephanie Grisham to attend today's coronavirus press briefing, despite being voted out the rotation by the @whca yesterday for violating social distancing guidelines.
Posted by: Tami at April 02, 2020 12:41 PM (cF8AT)
And we heard this forecast here first yesterday. We're on the edge of future news.
#BREAKING: OANN White House Correspondent @ChanelRion tells me she has been invited by @PressSec Stephanie Grisham to attend today's coronavirus press briefing, despite being voted out the rotation by the @whca yesterday for violating social distancing guidelines.
Posted by: Tami at April 02, 2020 12:41 PM (cF8AT)
And we heard this forecast here first yesterday. We're on the edge of future news.
Posted by: Sooner at April 02, 2020 12:44 PM (Fs5vw)
422
Has Bill Gates donated, contributed anything other than his useless advice?
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 02, 2020 12:44 PM (QzF6i)
423
If y'all use an Albuterol MDI (inhaler/puffer) go get one NOW, just got locked down due to national shortage...
If you use a nebulizer, smart play is get another month's worth...
If y'all use an Albuterol MDI (inhaler/puffer) go get one NOW, just got locked down due to national shortage...
If you use a nebulizer, smart play is get another month's worth...
Posted by: Ima Pseudonym at April 02, 2020 12:44 PM (d6DSt)
424
419
I should listen to him, why??
He invented that talking paperclip. And Zunes.
Posted by: t-bird at April 02, 2020 12:43 PM (nIvDu)
And Windows Me.
I should listen to him, why??
He invented that talking paperclip. And Zunes.
Posted by: t-bird at April 02, 2020 12:43 PM (nIvDu)
And Windows Me.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at April 02, 2020 12:44 PM (N39Ws)
Posted by: Vanya at April 02, 2020 12:44 PM (BAsqb)
426
There is some evidence that Covid-19 can cause myocardial inflammation via what's known as a cytokine storm, whereas an over sensitive immune system response to a virus leads white blood cells to attack and weaken healthy cells eventually producing symptoms that mimic a heart attack, without the regular coronavirus symptoms present in the lungs. I don't have a link but I read it on the internet.
Posted by: Kazi at April 02, 2020 12:44 PM (0x00j)
427
If you know where the data is, but are unsure who it belongs to -
"who's data this be" is proper.
**cough** If you know where the data is, but are unsure to whom it belongs - "who's data this be" is proper.
"who's data this be" is proper.
**cough** If you know where the data is, but are unsure to whom it belongs - "who's data this be" is proper.
Posted by: pep at April 02, 2020 12:44 PM (T6t7i)
428
Reading the comments on the NY Times on a story yesterday about hydroxychloroquine is fascinating. Basically breakdown of amateur epidemiologist talking about only clinical trials that are double blind are valid, comments about how orange-man-bad is preventing treatment, and a fair numbers of doc with anecdotal accounts of it working. Well there is an old saying that when you get enough anecdotes, it is call data.
What I a fascinated by is that there is a view that only double blind clinical trials that take years are valid. I would say how about we adhere to the Scientific method, and use that as a basis; ask a question, gather info, make a hypothesis, test the hypothesis, Is it working yes/no, analyse and draw conclusion. I would then add are the results repeatable. I think it is acceptable to say that when time is critical to substitute repeatable results from independent sources for a double blind study. The whole point is that individual researchers don't bias their own work. If you get repeatable independent results I would say that is better.
What I a fascinated by is that there is a view that only double blind clinical trials that take years are valid. I would say how about we adhere to the Scientific method, and use that as a basis; ask a question, gather info, make a hypothesis, test the hypothesis, Is it working yes/no, analyse and draw conclusion. I would then add are the results repeatable. I think it is acceptable to say that when time is critical to substitute repeatable results from independent sources for a double blind study. The whole point is that individual researchers don't bias their own work. If you get repeatable independent results I would say that is better.
Posted by: patrick at April 02, 2020 12:44 PM (yhZW9)
429
Another New York tidbit.
Instead of purchasing ventilators and oncreasing hospital beds, Cuomo gave at more free health care to illegal immigrants. That is people who are not even citizens. As a result, New York has the highest per capita free health care expense in the United States as measured by Medicaid.
Instead of purchasing ventilators and oncreasing hospital beds, Cuomo gave at more free health care to illegal immigrants. That is people who are not even citizens. As a result, New York has the highest per capita free health care expense in the United States as measured by Medicaid.
Posted by: Marcus T at April 02, 2020 12:44 PM (VpIIl)
430
418
It is truly stunning that the libs have totally weaponized this while
people, their fellow countrymen, are losing their jobs, businesses and
lives. It is insane.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at April 02, 2020 12:43 PM (7Fj9P)
You're not seriously stunned are you. You're just saying that. I mean, that's like being stunned because the sun rose in the east this morning.
It is truly stunning that the libs have totally weaponized this while
people, their fellow countrymen, are losing their jobs, businesses and
lives. It is insane.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at April 02, 2020 12:43 PM (7Fj9P)
You're not seriously stunned are you. You're just saying that. I mean, that's like being stunned because the sun rose in the east this morning.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 02, 2020 12:45 PM (e284m)
431
So why the hell isn't every one getting this now? Not enough of it, make more. Dr. refusing? Call them out. Fear of legal ramifications? Put out a federal subsidized indemnity against being sued. All that has to be a tiny fraction of the cost of this clusterfuck and would save lives.
This is the kind of crap that screws with my engineer head. Identify the problem, find a solution, implement it. Yesterday. I'm not given any slack for getting the above done, perfectly, in an impossibly tight schedule with minimal resources. This is the way things are in the real world my whole life. Lives depend on it.
This is the kind of crap that screws with my engineer head. Identify the problem, find a solution, implement it. Yesterday. I'm not given any slack for getting the above done, perfectly, in an impossibly tight schedule with minimal resources. This is the way things are in the real world my whole life. Lives depend on it.
Posted by: banana Dream at April 02, 2020 12:45 PM (l6b3d)
432
Starting to really hate the "we're all doing our part" bullshit.
No, some are being devistated--jobs, homes, cars gone
And it's becoming pretty dammed clear those doing the PSAs, or calling for "just a few more weeks--do you want to kill your grandma?!" ain't even losing sleep.
Exactly what is the plan to deal with the millions who lost their jobs--that ain't coming back because the business went under--after this is over?
"Sorry your life is fucked. Here's $1200 and an unemployment application. And you can fill your belly with the warm feeling of your sacrifice was for the greater good"
No, some are being devistated--jobs, homes, cars gone
And it's becoming pretty dammed clear those doing the PSAs, or calling for "just a few more weeks--do you want to kill your grandma?!" ain't even losing sleep.
Exactly what is the plan to deal with the millions who lost their jobs--that ain't coming back because the business went under--after this is over?
"Sorry your life is fucked. Here's $1200 and an unemployment application. And you can fill your belly with the warm feeling of your sacrifice was for the greater good"
Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at April 02, 2020 12:45 PM (vPKfA)
433
If your experimental group is people who need a cure now, and your control group is people who have time, then you're not really varying *one* factor.
Experimentation is done: ceteris paribus. "All (other) things being equal"
So in order to test people who are critical against other people who are critical, you have to say we're not going to treat half the people who are critical, i.e. they are likely going to die.
So Science can kill old people, but a healthy economy is besmirched by one?!
The brittlest of all brains is the prog's./
Experimentation is done: ceteris paribus. "All (other) things being equal"
So in order to test people who are critical against other people who are critical, you have to say we're not going to treat half the people who are critical, i.e. they are likely going to die.
So Science can kill old people, but a healthy economy is besmirched by one?!
The brittlest of all brains is the prog's./
Posted by: Axeman at April 02, 2020 12:45 PM (Eicbe)
434
Rob Reiner=Bill Gates, regarding 'Rona advice.
Posted by: tubal at April 02, 2020 12:45 PM (90T4r)
435
Calif. Gov. @GavinNewsom:
"We see this as an opportunity to reshape the way we do business and how we govern."
..
Let's roll.
"We see this as an opportunity to reshape the way we do business and how we govern."
..
Let's roll.
Posted by: National Divorce at April 02, 2020 12:45 PM (odrqb)
436
And you can be sure that none of the deep-state O'bots in the agencies would step up and tell Trump about the land mines left behind.
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Look no farther than Bush taking office and discovering all the W keys were removed from the keyboards in government offices.
To think they would stop at childish, insignificant RESIST!!! nonsense is silly. These people participated in a coup. I'm not going to blame Trump for not re-stocking masks that underlings were responsible for.
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Look no farther than Bush taking office and discovering all the W keys were removed from the keyboards in government offices.
To think they would stop at childish, insignificant RESIST!!! nonsense is silly. These people participated in a coup. I'm not going to blame Trump for not re-stocking masks that underlings were responsible for.
Posted by: Moron Robbie got the Kung Flu Grippe at April 02, 2020 12:45 PM (AwI0L)
437
331 *polite cough*
"Where are the data?"
Pedantically yours, etc.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 02, 2020 12:30 PM (7rVsF)
++++++++++++++
I gave up on this. In all of my writing and presentations at work I use the proper "the data are." It gets 'corrected' by people every time.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 02, 2020 12:33 PM (Q8c/L)
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Make up an alternate plural of datum, and see what they do
"the datums are"
"the dati are"
"Where are the data?"
Pedantically yours, etc.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 02, 2020 12:30 PM (7rVsF)
++++++++++++++
I gave up on this. In all of my writing and presentations at work I use the proper "the data are." It gets 'corrected' by people every time.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 02, 2020 12:33 PM (Q8c/L)
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Make up an alternate plural of datum, and see what they do
"the datums are"
"the dati are"
Posted by: No One of Consequence at April 02, 2020 12:46 PM (CAJOC)
438
Here's another New York tidbit. Last year, as Democrats were celebrating their new abortion laws, giving free college to illegal immigrants and generously rewarding all their political friends, the New York Comptroller warned they were positioned for a $7 billion revenue shortfall.
Take it out of the welfare budget.
Take it out of the welfare budget.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 02, 2020 12:46 PM (73Q5c)
439
Proper Medical usage - where am de data, STAT!
Posted by: Puddin Head at April 02, 2020 12:46 PM (xAWn5)
440
Hydrogen - incredibly flammable gas.
Oxygen - gas required to support intense open burning
HOW HAS DESANTI NOT BLOWN PEOPLE TO SMITHEREENS YET!?!?!?!?!
Posted by: fixerupper at April 02, 2020 12:42 PM (nw6Hr)
A few years ago, Chevron instituted a new rule that everyone on their worksites had to wear fire retardant clothing-- FRCs. EVERYONE. Including divers who were working underwater. Explaining to them that the ocean is fireproof made no difference.
Oxygen - gas required to support intense open burning
HOW HAS DESANTI NOT BLOWN PEOPLE TO SMITHEREENS YET!?!?!?!?!
Posted by: fixerupper at April 02, 2020 12:42 PM (nw6Hr)
A few years ago, Chevron instituted a new rule that everyone on their worksites had to wear fire retardant clothing-- FRCs. EVERYONE. Including divers who were working underwater. Explaining to them that the ocean is fireproof made no difference.
Posted by: Vanya at April 02, 2020 12:46 PM (BAsqb)
441
418 It is truly stunning that the libs have totally weaponized this while people, their fellow countrymen, are losing their jobs, businesses and lives. It is insane.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at April 02, 2020 12:43 PM (7Fj9P)
I'm stunned by how easy it was to get people to except the premise and be cowed into submission.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at April 02, 2020 12:43 PM (7Fj9P)
I'm stunned by how easy it was to get people to except the premise and be cowed into submission.
Posted by: Sooner at April 02, 2020 12:46 PM (Fs5vw)
442
Bill Gates wants total social isolation to stop the virus.
Posted by: Ripley at April 02, 2020 12:31 PM (MxEKc)
His looks and BO sufficed to enforce his total social isolation until he scored his first billion.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 02, 2020 12:38 PM (73Q5c)
Reminds me of an old Bloom County comic. Bill Gates and his fiancee are in the park and she croons "say those words that make me totally lose control"
"No prenuptual agreem...."
*fiancee tackles Bill and shoves her tongue down his throat*
Bill Gates wants total social isolation to stop the virus.
Posted by: Ripley at April 02, 2020 12:31 PM (MxEKc)
His looks and BO sufficed to enforce his total social isolation until he scored his first billion.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 02, 2020 12:38 PM (73Q5c)
Reminds me of an old Bloom County comic. Bill Gates and his fiancee are in the park and she croons "say those words that make me totally lose control"
"No prenuptual agreem...."
*fiancee tackles Bill and shoves her tongue down his throat*
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 02, 2020 12:46 PM (EGyGV)
443
Now I have to decide what to dine on in today's quarantine cafeteria. More Jager Schintzel? or maybe some Chicken Masala and basmati rice.
This quarantine shit is makin me fat.
This quarantine shit is makin me fat.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 02, 2020 12:46 PM (e284m)
444
Gates dumped Clippy the moment Clippy was no longer of use.
Clippy was last seen living in a tent under the Santa Monica Freeway where he's shacked up with a meth-addicted binder clip. Just spends his days drinking malt liquor and muttering about the good old days when he was on top of the world. King Clip.
Clippy was last seen living in a tent under the Santa Monica Freeway where he's shacked up with a meth-addicted binder clip. Just spends his days drinking malt liquor and muttering about the good old days when he was on top of the world. King Clip.
Posted by: Razzing from the Bench at April 02, 2020 12:46 PM (KxVoZ)
445
ennifer Franco @jennfranconews
26m
#BREAKING: The Democratic National Convention will be postponed from July to the week of August 17 in Milwaukee, Wisconsin over coronavirus concern.
26m
#BREAKING: The Democratic National Convention will be postponed from July to the week of August 17 in Milwaukee, Wisconsin over coronavirus concern.
Posted by: WuHAN Solo at April 02, 2020 12:46 PM (VjF1c)
446
438 Here's another New York tidbit. Last year, as Democrats were celebrating their new abortion laws, giving free college to illegal immigrants and generously rewarding all their political friends, the New York Comptroller warned they were positioned for a $7 billion revenue shortfall.
Take it out of the welfare budget
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How about the Import/Export Bank?
Take it out of the welfare budget
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How about the Import/Export Bank?
Posted by: Puddin Head at April 02, 2020 12:47 PM (xAWn5)
447
I'm right here.
Posted by: LCDR Data at April 02, 2020 12:47 PM (NoQz+)
448
If you want data just survey ER doctors and nurses and see what percentage are currently on hydroxychloroquine. I think the number will surprise you.
Posted by: Puddin Head at April 02, 2020 12:31 PM (xAWn5)
They all are.
Every single doctor I have seen interviewed states they took it as a Prophylactic.
Posted by: Puddin Head at April 02, 2020 12:31 PM (xAWn5)
They all are.
Every single doctor I have seen interviewed states they took it as a Prophylactic.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2020 12:47 PM (8fB/R)
449
Still have Ventolin in Vanatu:
https://tinyurl.com/sqs9y7r
I ordered five last time I put in an order. Takes a couple of weeks to get them. And I do have a prescription for it. They jacked me around when I needed to use it more often due to fires in PNW. So I keep a stash on hand.
https://tinyurl.com/sqs9y7r
I ordered five last time I put in an order. Takes a couple of weeks to get them. And I do have a prescription for it. They jacked me around when I needed to use it more often due to fires in PNW. So I keep a stash on hand.
Posted by: notsothoreau at April 02, 2020 12:47 PM (JKNZq)
450
Instead of purchasing ventilators and oncreasing hospital beds, Cuomo gave at more free health care to illegal immigrants. That is people who are not even citizens. As a result, New York has the highest per capita free health care expense in the United States as measured by Medicaid.
Posted by: Marcus T at April 02, 2020 12:44 PM (VpIIl)
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Not only that, but they spent money on a study and the drafting of a plan to *ration* ventilators.
Posted by: Marcus T at April 02, 2020 12:44 PM (VpIIl)
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Not only that, but they spent money on a study and the drafting of a plan to *ration* ventilators.
Posted by: Axeman at April 02, 2020 12:47 PM (Eicbe)
451
And it's becoming pretty dammed clear those doing the PSAs, or calling for "just a few more weeks--do you want to kill your grandma?!" ain't even losing sleep.
--
Or a single penny in a paycheck during their paid government vacations.
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Or a single penny in a paycheck during their paid government vacations.
Posted by: Moron Robbie got the Kung Flu Grippe at April 02, 2020 12:47 PM (AwI0L)
452
All your data now belong to us.
Posted by: Gooble at April 02, 2020 12:47 PM (Tnijr)
453
445 ennifer Franco @jennfranconews
26m
#BREAKING: The Democratic National Convention will be postponed from July to the week of August 17 in Milwaukee, Wisconsin over coronavirus concern.
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When will they move it to Albany, NY?
26m
#BREAKING: The Democratic National Convention will be postponed from July to the week of August 17 in Milwaukee, Wisconsin over coronavirus concern.
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When will they move it to Albany, NY?
Posted by: Puddin Head at April 02, 2020 12:47 PM (xAWn5)
454
Make up an alternate plural of datum, and see what they do
"the datums are"
"the dati are"
Posted by: No One of Consequence at April 02, 2020 12:46 PM (CAJOC)
Molecular biologists drive me wild. They talk about adding a "molecule" to "a media." One molecule? Just one? And "a media?" My already low opinion of their scientific chops - reinforced on a daily basis - is now compounded by their illiteracy.
"the datums are"
"the dati are"
Posted by: No One of Consequence at April 02, 2020 12:46 PM (CAJOC)
Molecular biologists drive me wild. They talk about adding a "molecule" to "a media." One molecule? Just one? And "a media?" My already low opinion of their scientific chops - reinforced on a daily basis - is now compounded by their illiteracy.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 02, 2020 12:48 PM (73Q5c)
455
O data, data, wherefore art thou data?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 02, 2020 12:48 PM (+y/Ru)
456
It's on Hillary's server.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 02, 2020 12:34 PM
What am I, chopped liver?
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 02, 2020 12:34 PM
What am I, chopped liver?
Posted by: Weiner's Laptop at April 02, 2020 12:48 PM (DMUuz)
457
Encouraging news. What's needed now is a crash program to ramp up HCQ production. There are probably many chemical companies that could make it. Hell, Exxon could probably make it.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
It ain't that easy. But Mylan has a factory in W. Virginia that used to make it, and are supposedly ramping up to get into production.
Teva is an Israeli company that also used to make it, and they are ramping up production.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
It ain't that easy. But Mylan has a factory in W. Virginia that used to make it, and are supposedly ramping up to get into production.
Teva is an Israeli company that also used to make it, and they are ramping up production.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....menace to society at April 02, 2020 12:48 PM (vcOmj)
458
Modern antibiotics are effective against plague bacteria, did we infect 50k or so to prove that effectiveness?
Leftards make such asses of themselves. I say let the leftards with TDS die so they can virtue signal.
Leftards make such asses of themselves. I say let the leftards with TDS die so they can virtue signal.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at April 02, 2020 12:48 PM (o2MD2)
459
The Democratic National Committee will push back its presidential primary one month to August 17, despite claiming last week that the Milwaukee convention would held as planned.
Posted by: SMOD at April 02, 2020 12:48 PM (3aI0K)
460
Now I have to decide what to dine on in today's quarantine cafeteria. More Jager Schintzel? or maybe some Chicken Masala and basmati rice.
This quarantine shit is makin me fat.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 02, 2020 12:46 PM (e284m)
try to get some walks in if you are able
Tonight we are having Basque Chicken Stew.
This quarantine shit is makin me fat.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 02, 2020 12:46 PM (e284m)
try to get some walks in if you are able
Tonight we are having Basque Chicken Stew.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2020 12:48 PM (8fB/R)
461
Trump inherited a zillion screwups from said Mocha
Messiah. Expecting him to identify, prioritize, and fix every one is,
IMO, asking a lot.
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In addition, they held up his appointments.
Posted by: SH at April 02, 2020 12:33 PM
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And the dems would have sued to stop him from "wasting" money even if he tried to do that.
Plus they would have never given him the money to do it in the first place.
Messiah. Expecting him to identify, prioritize, and fix every one is,
IMO, asking a lot.
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In addition, they held up his appointments.
Posted by: SH at April 02, 2020 12:33 PM
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And the dems would have sued to stop him from "wasting" money even if he tried to do that.
Plus they would have never given him the money to do it in the first place.
Posted by: Mr. Scottt (Formerly GWS) at April 02, 2020 12:49 PM (JUOKG)
462
FYI for any Texas morons that need to apply for UI, The best time is between 11pm and 8am. Volume is lowest during these hours because almost everyone is sleeping.
This is inside info people. Seriously.
This is inside info people. Seriously.
Posted by: lin-duh at April 02, 2020 12:49 PM (UUBmN)
463
26m
#BREAKING: The Democratic National Convention will be postponed from July to the week of August 17 in Milwaukee, Wisconsin over coronavirus concern.
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When will they move it to Albany, NY?
Posted by: Puddin Head at April 02, 2020 12:47 PM (xAWn5)
That gives Milwaukee resident an extra month to flee. Of course, they could move the convention to Gitmo.
Just sayin'.
#BREAKING: The Democratic National Convention will be postponed from July to the week of August 17 in Milwaukee, Wisconsin over coronavirus concern.
---------------------
When will they move it to Albany, NY?
Posted by: Puddin Head at April 02, 2020 12:47 PM (xAWn5)
That gives Milwaukee resident an extra month to flee. Of course, they could move the convention to Gitmo.
Just sayin'.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 02, 2020 12:49 PM (73Q5c)
464
This is just unbelievable.....
@KlasfeldReports
MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell's Rose Garden speech with Trump got major press. Less covered:
*CA prosecutors sued MyPillow twice for false advertising, settled both.
*A nationwide class action settled similar charge.
*Better Business Bureau gave it an F.
Trust it with PPE? Thread.
https://tinyurl.com/typ3jop
The thread goes on and on and on....
@KlasfeldReports
MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell's Rose Garden speech with Trump got major press. Less covered:
*CA prosecutors sued MyPillow twice for false advertising, settled both.
*A nationwide class action settled similar charge.
*Better Business Bureau gave it an F.
Trust it with PPE? Thread.
https://tinyurl.com/typ3jop
The thread goes on and on and on....
Posted by: Tami at April 02, 2020 12:49 PM (cF8AT)
465
@jennfranconews 1 minute ago
#BREAKING: OANN White House Correspondent @ChanelRion tells me she
has been invited by @PressSec Stephanie Grisham to attend today's
coronavirus press briefing, despite being voted out the rotation by the
@whca yesterday for violating social distancing guidelines.
Posted by: Tami at April 02, 2020 12:41 PM (cF8AT)
If it were me, I walk in there today giving every member of the MFM the one finger salute
#BREAKING: OANN White House Correspondent @ChanelRion tells me she
has been invited by @PressSec Stephanie Grisham to attend today's
coronavirus press briefing, despite being voted out the rotation by the
@whca yesterday for violating social distancing guidelines.
Posted by: Tami at April 02, 2020 12:41 PM (cF8AT)
If it were me, I walk in there today giving every member of the MFM the one finger salute
Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 02, 2020 12:49 PM (UwKad)
466
I have this industrial respirator that looks really imposing. Think I will bust it out on occasion for the stares.
Posted by: tubal at April 02, 2020 12:49 PM (90T4r)
467
448 If you want data just survey ER doctors and nurses and see what percentage are currently on hydroxychloroquine. I think the number will surprise you.
Posted by: Puddin Head at April 02, 2020 12:31 PM (xAWn5)
They all are.
Every single doctor I have seen interviewed states they took it as a Prophylactic.
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Yep. And this might be the reason Governors are prohibiting its use in fighting the Red Death. They can't afford to lose their fire fighters.
Posted by: Puddin Head at April 02, 2020 12:31 PM (xAWn5)
They all are.
Every single doctor I have seen interviewed states they took it as a Prophylactic.
--------------------------
Yep. And this might be the reason Governors are prohibiting its use in fighting the Red Death. They can't afford to lose their fire fighters.
Posted by: Puddin Head at April 02, 2020 12:49 PM (xAWn5)
468
I mean, that's like being stunned because the sun rose in the east this morning.
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It just seems like such an extraordinary situation; so yeah, the fact that they do this is a new, and utterly despicable low for that evil cabal.
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It just seems like such an extraordinary situation; so yeah, the fact that they do this is a new, and utterly despicable low for that evil cabal.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at April 02, 2020 12:49 PM (7Fj9P)
469
With the economic collapse sure to come around because of all this, do we care if they're committing mutual suicide?
Posted by: Mr. Peebles
The Saudis are doing this to regain market share by bankrupting the frakkers in the US. They can keep pumping to break the price globally for a while, because demand for oil is well off peak right now.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles
The Saudis are doing this to regain market share by bankrupting the frakkers in the US. They can keep pumping to break the price globally for a while, because demand for oil is well off peak right now.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....menace to society at April 02, 2020 12:50 PM (vcOmj)
470
Has Bill Gates donated, contributed anything other than his useless advice?
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He wargamed this precise scenario out with other One World types a few months ago.
Wait, you meant to help us. Nevermind.
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He wargamed this precise scenario out with other One World types a few months ago.
Wait, you meant to help us. Nevermind.
Posted by: Moron Robbie got the Kung Flu Grippe at April 02, 2020 12:50 PM (AwI0L)
471
BREAKING: OANN White House Correspondent @ChanelRion tells me she has been invited by @PressSec Stephanie Grisham to attend today's coronavirus press briefing, despite being voted out the rotation by the @whca yesterday for violating social distancing guidelines.
Posted by: Tami at April 02, 2020 12:41 PM (cF8AT)
hehe
She is one of the few that ask real questions. Can't have that!
Good.
Posted by: Tami at April 02, 2020 12:41 PM (cF8AT)
hehe
She is one of the few that ask real questions. Can't have that!
Good.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2020 12:50 PM (8fB/R)
472
Every single doctor I have seen interviewed states they took it as a Prophylactic.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2020 12:47 PM (8fB/R)
Do they have good recipes for prophylactics? Cream sauces, red sauce?
But your realize that's why there's a shortage, because they're eating them all.
Every single doctor I have seen interviewed states they took it as a Prophylactic.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2020 12:47 PM (8fB/R)
Do they have good recipes for prophylactics? Cream sauces, red sauce?
But your realize that's why there's a shortage, because they're eating them all.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 02, 2020 12:50 PM (e284m)
473
My kids' grandma is in the hospital in Mass with the CV. She is 89 and has a mess of pre-existing conditions.
Her prognosis is not good.
So here is some interesting data from Massachusetts. They seem to be the only state compiling and publishing their COVID-19 data this way.
https://tinyurl.com/qmr3wrl
Take a look at the death data. On April 1, they had 33 deaths. 3 were under 60 yo. 2 @ 50+, and 1 @ 30+. And they had pre-existing conditions.
Her prognosis is not good.
So here is some interesting data from Massachusetts. They seem to be the only state compiling and publishing their COVID-19 data this way.
https://tinyurl.com/qmr3wrl
Take a look at the death data. On April 1, they had 33 deaths. 3 were under 60 yo. 2 @ 50+, and 1 @ 30+. And they had pre-existing conditions.
Posted by: blaster at April 02, 2020 12:50 PM (ZfRYq)
474
#BREAKING: OANN White House Correspondent @ChanelRion tells me she has been invited by @PressSec Stephanie Grisham to attend today's coronavirus press briefing, despite being voted out the rotation by the @whca yesterday for violating social distancing guidelines.
Posted by: Tami at April 02, 2020 12:41 PM (cF8AT)
And we heard this forecast here first yesterday. We're on the edge of future news.
Posted by: Sooner at April 02, 2020 12:44 PM (Fs5vw)
I'm disappointed that this wasn't followed with ". . . and, because of the vital information being imparted in these briefings, it is essential that 24-hour electronic media news outlets carry these briefings in their entirety. To that end, only reporters of 24-hour electronic news outlet which carry the full duration of these briefings be allowed into the briefing room and allowed to ask questions.
"News outlets in the White House Press Corps which do not meet this criterion will be allowed to view the press conference here in another room of the White House but will not be allowed into the briefiing room or otherwise allowed to ask questions."
"Oh, and fuck you, WHCA."
Posted by: Tami at April 02, 2020 12:41 PM (cF8AT)
And we heard this forecast here first yesterday. We're on the edge of future news.
Posted by: Sooner at April 02, 2020 12:44 PM (Fs5vw)
I'm disappointed that this wasn't followed with ". . . and, because of the vital information being imparted in these briefings, it is essential that 24-hour electronic media news outlets carry these briefings in their entirety. To that end, only reporters of 24-hour electronic news outlet which carry the full duration of these briefings be allowed into the briefing room and allowed to ask questions.
"News outlets in the White House Press Corps which do not meet this criterion will be allowed to view the press conference here in another room of the White House but will not be allowed into the briefiing room or otherwise allowed to ask questions."
"Oh, and fuck you, WHCA."
Posted by: filbert at April 02, 2020 12:50 PM (NiXyF)
475
#BREAKING: The Democratic National Convention will be postponed from July to the week of August 17 in Milwaukee, Wisconsin over coronavirus concern.
So that their candidate will still be the "fresh, new thing" by November.
So that their candidate will still be the "fresh, new thing" by November.
Posted by: t-bird at April 02, 2020 12:50 PM (98WNR)
476
This quarantine shit is making me a skinny guinea.
Some days I eat breakfast and lunch. Some days lunch and dinner. Some days breakfast and dinner. But I cannot seem to muster up enough appetite to get all three meals in in the same day.
Some days I eat breakfast and lunch. Some days lunch and dinner. Some days breakfast and dinner. But I cannot seem to muster up enough appetite to get all three meals in in the same day.
Posted by: Guy Smiley at April 02, 2020 12:50 PM (KxVoZ)
477
The polio vaccine, i.e., the Salk vaccine, was developed at the University of Pittsburgh.
Scientists still refer to the polio vaccine as "the Pitt vaccine," because 60 years after the fact, scientists are still bitter that Dr. Jonas Salk took sole credit for the work of a group of researchers, of whom Salk was only one.
Salk got a medal from Ike, his picture on a postage stamp, & his own research institute in La Jolla, CA... but he was pretty much detested by his peers.
Scientists still refer to the polio vaccine as "the Pitt vaccine," because 60 years after the fact, scientists are still bitter that Dr. Jonas Salk took sole credit for the work of a group of researchers, of whom Salk was only one.
Salk got a medal from Ike, his picture on a postage stamp, & his own research institute in La Jolla, CA... but he was pretty much detested by his peers.
Posted by: mnw at April 02, 2020 12:50 PM (Cssks)
478
Tonight we are having Basque Chicken Stew.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2020 12:48 PM (8fB/R)
Mmmmm. As a widower I am having slop tonight. Last night I had swill. Tomorrow I will have a tasty bowl of gruel. Sigh
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2020 12:48 PM (8fB/R)
Mmmmm. As a widower I am having slop tonight. Last night I had swill. Tomorrow I will have a tasty bowl of gruel. Sigh
Posted by: Xipe Totec at April 02, 2020 12:50 PM (o2MD2)
479
I had to look up tonic to see that it takes 60 liters to have one anti-malaria dose. I'm gonna run short of gin.
Posted by: FlimFlammed at April 02, 2020 12:51 PM (ZTDnL)
480
Has Bill Gates donated, contributed anything other than his useless advice?
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He wargamed this precise scenario out with other One World types a few months ago.
Wait, you meant to help us. Nevermind.
Posted by: Moron Robbie got the Kung Flu Grippe at April 02, 2020 12:50 PM (AwI0L)
and if stories are true, he invested in the Wuhan lab and has been there -
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He wargamed this precise scenario out with other One World types a few months ago.
Wait, you meant to help us. Nevermind.
Posted by: Moron Robbie got the Kung Flu Grippe at April 02, 2020 12:50 PM (AwI0L)
and if stories are true, he invested in the Wuhan lab and has been there -
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2020 12:51 PM (8fB/R)
481
I'm gonna go out there and now my yard!
Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at April 02, 2020 12:51 PM (myjNJ)
482
#BREAKING: The Democratic National Convention will be postponed from July to the week of August 17 in Milwaukee, Wisconsin over coronavirus concern.
Posted by: WuHAN Solo at April 02, 2020 12:46 PM (VjF1c)
I'm really getting sick of Breaking.
#BREAKING
Thing that won't happen for months will not happen for slightly more months
#BREAKING
Person you only know about because we won't shut the fuck up about him does A Thing
#BREAKING
If I don't put this stupid fucking screamer hashtag on everything you might rightly conclude that it's utterly inconsequential and you needn't waste your time with it
Posted by: WuHAN Solo at April 02, 2020 12:46 PM (VjF1c)
I'm really getting sick of Breaking.
#BREAKING
Thing that won't happen for months will not happen for slightly more months
#BREAKING
Person you only know about because we won't shut the fuck up about him does A Thing
#BREAKING
If I don't put this stupid fucking screamer hashtag on everything you might rightly conclude that it's utterly inconsequential and you needn't waste your time with it
Posted by: Vanya at April 02, 2020 12:51 PM (BAsqb)
483
*Better Business Bureau gave it an F.
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TWO PERCENT OF PEOPLE DETERMINED IT WASN'T THE BEST PILLOW THEY'D EVER OWNED!!!
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TWO PERCENT OF PEOPLE DETERMINED IT WASN'T THE BEST PILLOW THEY'D EVER OWNED!!!
Posted by: Moron Robbie got the Kung Flu Grippe at April 02, 2020 12:51 PM (AwI0L)
484
FYI for any Texas morons that need to apply for UI,
The best time is between 11pm and 8am. Volume is lowest during these
hours because almost everyone is sleeping.
This is inside info people. Seriously.
Posted by: lin-duh at April 02, 2020 12:49 PM
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I will pass that along to my five furloughed employees.
The best time is between 11pm and 8am. Volume is lowest during these
hours because almost everyone is sleeping.
This is inside info people. Seriously.
Posted by: lin-duh at April 02, 2020 12:49 PM
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I will pass that along to my five furloughed employees.
Posted by: Mr. Scottt (Formerly GWS) at April 02, 2020 12:51 PM (JUOKG)
485
I have this industrial respirator that looks really imposing. Think I will bust it out on occasion for the stares.
Posted by: tubal
Bonus points for the Darth Vader sounds.
Posted by: tubal
Bonus points for the Darth Vader sounds.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 02, 2020 12:51 PM (W2taJ)
486
where the white data at?
Posted by: vmom 2020 at April 02, 2020 12:51 PM (G546f)
487
Every single doctor I have seen interviewed states they took it as a Prophylactic.
_____________
As they should, and so should nurses and techs and any other medical personnel working on the front lines of treating China Lung Rot patients.
It's just good sense.
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As they should, and so should nurses and techs and any other medical personnel working on the front lines of treating China Lung Rot patients.
It's just good sense.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 02, 2020 12:52 PM (k4dH2)
488
Is this a data I see before me?!
Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 02, 2020 12:52 PM (e284m)
489
They could send my family HCQ and z-pacs instead of census cards everyday. Probably be cheaper.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 02, 2020 12:52 PM (r+sAi)
490
459 The Democratic National Committee will push back its presidential primary one month to August 17,
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Burn in July, burn in August--same difference!
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Burn in July, burn in August--same difference!
Posted by: Bernie Bros Be Ready, Yo at April 02, 2020 12:52 PM (sWM8x)
491
Not all of us live in 1000sq (or whatever) combination home/meeting site/spas on the lake, buddy.
Posted by: Lizzy
His house was something like 18k square feet.
YUGE! and probably....luxurious!
Posted by: Lizzy
His house was something like 18k square feet.
YUGE! and probably....luxurious!
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....menace to society at April 02, 2020 12:52 PM (vcOmj)
492
Stinking Proles don't need no stinking masks, hand sanitizer, hydroxychloroquine. What we need is stay inside, lose our income, and just be quiet.
Posted by: tubal at April 02, 2020 12:53 PM (90T4r)
Posted by: Caliban at April 02, 2020 12:53 PM (QE8X6)
494
Not only that, but they spent money on a study and the drafting of a plan to *ration* ventilators.
Posted by: Axeman at April 02, 2020 12:47 PM (Eicbe)
+++++++++++++
IIRC, there were two proposals:
- Spend half a billion dollars to stockpile ventilators to use as a reserve if a pandemic flu happened
- Draft up a plan to ration available resources if a pandemic flue happened.
They went with the latter. There are decent arguments to be made for either option. What pisses me off is, having made an eyes-open, considered decision at that time, they then went and demanded that the national ventilator supply be sent to New York. There's also the point about them wasting more than that much money on Mrs. DeBlasio's nonsense, but that's an entirely different thing.
Posted by: Axeman at April 02, 2020 12:47 PM (Eicbe)
+++++++++++++
IIRC, there were two proposals:
- Spend half a billion dollars to stockpile ventilators to use as a reserve if a pandemic flu happened
- Draft up a plan to ration available resources if a pandemic flue happened.
They went with the latter. There are decent arguments to be made for either option. What pisses me off is, having made an eyes-open, considered decision at that time, they then went and demanded that the national ventilator supply be sent to New York. There's also the point about them wasting more than that much money on Mrs. DeBlasio's nonsense, but that's an entirely different thing.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 02, 2020 12:53 PM (Q8c/L)
495
@decider
"It explains how Trump became president" #TheView's Meghan McCain believes #TigerKing showcases the "demographic of people" that voted Donald Trump into office: https://trib.al/ys63Nuw
"It explains how Trump became president" #TheView's Meghan McCain believes #TigerKing showcases the "demographic of people" that voted Donald Trump into office: https://trib.al/ys63Nuw
Posted by: Tami at April 02, 2020 12:53 PM (cF8AT)
496
It just seems like such an extraordinary situation; so yeah, the fact that they do this is a new, and utterly despicable low for that evil cabal.
They ARE the enemy. They're not 'biased'- well, they may be predisposed- they take orders.
They ARE the enemy. They're not 'biased'- well, they may be predisposed- they take orders.
Posted by: t-bird at April 02, 2020 12:53 PM (Y9zp1)
497
#BREAKING
Posted by: Wind at April 02, 2020 12:54 PM (sWM8x)
498
485 I have this industrial respirator that looks really imposing. Think I will bust it out on occasion for the stares.
Posted by: tubal
Bonus points for the Darth Vader sounds.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 02, 2020 12:51 PM (W2taJ)
It does that rick!! It is LIT!!
Posted by: tubal
Bonus points for the Darth Vader sounds.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 02, 2020 12:51 PM (W2taJ)
It does that rick!! It is LIT!!
Posted by: tubal at April 02, 2020 12:54 PM (90T4r)
499
In addition, they held up his appointments.
Posted by: SH at April 02, 2020 12:33 PM
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And the dems would have sued to stop him from "wasting" money even if he tried to do that.
Plus they would have never given him the money to do it in the first place.
Posted by: Mr. Scottt (Formerly GWS) at April 02, 2020 12:49 PM (JUOKG)
All true.
I love the way Trump repeatedly refers to having "inherited" a broken system. It contains an implicit threat: if the Mocha Messiah runs his yap unduly, Trump will tee off on him by name, and won't pull any punches.
Posted by: SH at April 02, 2020 12:33 PM
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And the dems would have sued to stop him from "wasting" money even if he tried to do that.
Plus they would have never given him the money to do it in the first place.
Posted by: Mr. Scottt (Formerly GWS) at April 02, 2020 12:49 PM (JUOKG)
All true.
I love the way Trump repeatedly refers to having "inherited" a broken system. It contains an implicit threat: if the Mocha Messiah runs his yap unduly, Trump will tee off on him by name, and won't pull any punches.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 02, 2020 12:54 PM (73Q5c)
500
If they move it to August in Milwaukee aren't they running into a blizzard threat? The tundra is a spooky place.
Posted by: Puddin Head at April 02, 2020 12:54 PM (xAWn5)
501
Dow up but Zoom stock falling, down almost 9% today.
Posted by: LASue at April 02, 2020 12:54 PM (Ed8Zd)
502
"It explains how Trump became president" #TheView's Meghan McCain believes #TigerKing showcases the "demographic of people" that voted Donald Trump into office: https://trib.al/ys63Nuw
Shut the fuck up, you silly moo.
Shut the fuck up, you silly moo.
Posted by: Vanya at April 02, 2020 12:54 PM (BAsqb)
503
Gates really caused some of this stuff. In 2015 he gave a Ted talk about the next thing to kill "10 million" would probably be an epidemic.
So now the same way that Bible cranks see Revelation in everything (I am a pre-millennial Christian, btw), the progs see Gate's epidemic in whatever epidemic first comes along.
These people are so stupid. They really believe that this is their HOUR on the stage, that this is their CASSANDRA moment. They are the ones they have been waiting for. They are the ones to save (the otherwise virus of) Humanity!
The *world* has fewer cases of Covid-19 than America had on its own when Barack Obama declared a medical emergency for H1N1.
Covid-19 would have to kill 12 times more people to *catch up* to the seasonal flu *this year* (which kills old people too). And who knows the seasonal flu might actually be comorbid with Covid, so it's not just Covid-19 deaths but Flu + Covid as well.
The wish fulfillment of the progs is imparting some cost--and it may be a GREAT cost as well.
So now the same way that Bible cranks see Revelation in everything (I am a pre-millennial Christian, btw), the progs see Gate's epidemic in whatever epidemic first comes along.
These people are so stupid. They really believe that this is their HOUR on the stage, that this is their CASSANDRA moment. They are the ones they have been waiting for. They are the ones to save (the otherwise virus of) Humanity!
The *world* has fewer cases of Covid-19 than America had on its own when Barack Obama declared a medical emergency for H1N1.
Covid-19 would have to kill 12 times more people to *catch up* to the seasonal flu *this year* (which kills old people too). And who knows the seasonal flu might actually be comorbid with Covid, so it's not just Covid-19 deaths but Flu + Covid as well.
The wish fulfillment of the progs is imparting some cost--and it may be a GREAT cost as well.
Posted by: Axeman at April 02, 2020 12:54 PM (Eicbe)
Posted by: rickb223 at April 02, 2020 12:54 PM (W2taJ)
505
459 The Democratic National Committee will push back its presidential primary one month to August 17,
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Burn in July, burn in August--same difference!
Posted by: Bernie Bros Be Ready, Yo at April 02, 2020 12:52 PM (sWM8x)
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Hotter in August. Should have more demented minds running around creating violence. I approve of this time frame shift.
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Burn in July, burn in August--same difference!
Posted by: Bernie Bros Be Ready, Yo at April 02, 2020 12:52 PM (sWM8x)
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Hotter in August. Should have more demented minds running around creating violence. I approve of this time frame shift.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at April 02, 2020 12:54 PM (pw+jk)
506
Will it kill my fish? My wife?
Posted by: Les Kinetic at April 02, 2020 12:55 PM (tZ44L)
507
It is truly stunning that the libs have totally weaponized this while
people, their fellow countrymen, are losing their jobs, businesses and
lives. It is insane.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at April 02, 2020 12:43 PM (7Fj9P)
You're not seriously stunned are you. You're just saying that. I mean, that's like being stunned because the sun rose in the east this morning.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 02, 2020 12:45 PM (e284m)
Whatever it takes. They live and die by Alinsky
people, their fellow countrymen, are losing their jobs, businesses and
lives. It is insane.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at April 02, 2020 12:43 PM (7Fj9P)
You're not seriously stunned are you. You're just saying that. I mean, that's like being stunned because the sun rose in the east this morning.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 02, 2020 12:45 PM (e284m)
Whatever it takes. They live and die by Alinsky
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2020 12:55 PM (8fB/R)
508
Can Crazy old Joe hang on that long?
Posted by: Skip at April 02, 2020 12:55 PM (ZCEU2)
509
"It explains how Trump became president" #TheView's Meghan McCain believes #TigerKing showcases the "demographic of people" that voted Donald Trump into office:
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She'd better shut up or I'll feed her to my tigers.
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She'd better shut up or I'll feed her to my tigers.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 02, 2020 12:55 PM (+y/Ru)
510
476 This quarantine shit is making me a skinny guinea.
Some days I eat breakfast and lunch. Some days lunch and dinner. Some days breakfast and dinner. But I cannot seem to muster up enough appetite to get all three meals in in the same day.
Posted by: Guy Smiley at April 02, 2020 12:50 PM (KxVoZ)
I find myself reverting back to my natural eating pattern of one meal per day. Works best for me, seriously.
Some days I eat breakfast and lunch. Some days lunch and dinner. Some days breakfast and dinner. But I cannot seem to muster up enough appetite to get all three meals in in the same day.
Posted by: Guy Smiley at April 02, 2020 12:50 PM (KxVoZ)
I find myself reverting back to my natural eating pattern of one meal per day. Works best for me, seriously.
Posted by: tubal at April 02, 2020 12:56 PM (90T4r)
511
"It explains how Trump became president" #TheView's Meghan McCain believes #TigerKing showcases the "demographic of people" that voted Donald Trump into office: https://trib.al/ys63Nuw
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She's so brave to still be going to work every day so close to the loss of her father.
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She's so brave to still be going to work every day so close to the loss of her father.
Posted by: Moron Robbie got the Kung Flu Grippe at April 02, 2020 12:56 PM (AwI0L)
Posted by: Anachronda at April 02, 2020 12:56 PM (kf5Ci)
513
It explains how Trump became president" #TheView's Meghan McCain believes #TigerKing showcases the "demographic of people" that voted Donald Trump into office: https://trib.al/ys63Nuw
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Fat whore.
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Fat whore.
Posted by: Bicentennialguy at April 02, 2020 12:56 PM (NoQz+)
514
Mmmmm. As a widower I am having slop tonight. Last night I had swill. Tomorrow I will have a tasty bowl of gruel. Sigh
Posted by: Xipe Totec at April 02, 2020 12:50 PM (o2MD2)
Sorry, but, I'm a male type person, and I'm the one making the Masala and the Jager Schinitzel. Granny DamnedYankee informed me early on when I snipped that cooking was for women that 'the best cooks in the world are men'. If the wife were making supper we'd be having chili, "American" chopsuey, mac cheese, or stir fry chicken.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at April 02, 2020 12:50 PM (o2MD2)
Sorry, but, I'm a male type person, and I'm the one making the Masala and the Jager Schinitzel. Granny DamnedYankee informed me early on when I snipped that cooking was for women that 'the best cooks in the world are men'. If the wife were making supper we'd be having chili, "American" chopsuey, mac cheese, or stir fry chicken.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 02, 2020 12:56 PM (e284m)
515
476 This quarantine shit is making me a skinny guinea.
Some days I eat breakfast and lunch. Some days lunch and dinner. Some days breakfast and dinner. But I cannot seem to muster up enough appetite to get all three meals in in the same day.
Posted by: Guy Smiley at April 02, 2020 12:50 PM (KxVoZ)
Same here.
I've gained back a few of the lbs I lost, through conscientious eating.
Some days I eat breakfast and lunch. Some days lunch and dinner. Some days breakfast and dinner. But I cannot seem to muster up enough appetite to get all three meals in in the same day.
Posted by: Guy Smiley at April 02, 2020 12:50 PM (KxVoZ)
Same here.
I've gained back a few of the lbs I lost, through conscientious eating.
Posted by: Ladyl at April 02, 2020 12:56 PM (TdMsT)
516
469 With the economic collapse sure to come around because of all this, do we care if they're committing mutual suicide?
Posted by: Mr. Peebles
The Saudis are doing this to regain market share by bankrupting the frakkers in the US. They can keep pumping to break the price globally for a while, because demand for oil is well off peak right now.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....menace to society at April 02, 2020 12:50 PM (vcOmj)
________________
Time to add an imported oil tariff. Exempt Mexico and Canada because of the USMCA.
Make it a sliding tariff. Pick a target price, say $40/bbl, and a fraction like 80%. At $39.00/ bbl you add a $0.80 tariff. At $20/bbl, add a $16 tariff, etc.
Trump is also filling the US Strategic Oil Reserve, which will improve demand too.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles
The Saudis are doing this to regain market share by bankrupting the frakkers in the US. They can keep pumping to break the price globally for a while, because demand for oil is well off peak right now.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....menace to society at April 02, 2020 12:50 PM (vcOmj)
________________
Time to add an imported oil tariff. Exempt Mexico and Canada because of the USMCA.
Make it a sliding tariff. Pick a target price, say $40/bbl, and a fraction like 80%. At $39.00/ bbl you add a $0.80 tariff. At $20/bbl, add a $16 tariff, etc.
Trump is also filling the US Strategic Oil Reserve, which will improve demand too.
Posted by: rd at April 02, 2020 12:56 PM (+0uDE)
517
I have this industrial respirator that looks really imposing. Think I will bust it out on occasion for the stares.
Posted by: tubal
Bonus points for the Darth Vader sounds.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 02, 2020 12:51 PM (W2taJ)
It does that rick!! It is LIT!!
Posted by: tubal at April 02, 2020 12:54 PM (90T4r)
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*glances at the cartridge commie gas mask next to all the ammo.
I have an idea on how to spend the afternoon.
Posted by: tubal
Bonus points for the Darth Vader sounds.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 02, 2020 12:51 PM (W2taJ)
It does that rick!! It is LIT!!
Posted by: tubal at April 02, 2020 12:54 PM (90T4r)
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*glances at the cartridge commie gas mask next to all the ammo.
I have an idea on how to spend the afternoon.
Posted by: fixerupper at April 02, 2020 12:56 PM (nw6Hr)
518
Folks, with normal isotopes, water is 8/9ths oxygen and 1/9th hydrogen by weight. Don't get bonded to this 1:2 ratio mentioned above.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 02, 2020 12:56 PM (DMUuz)
519
501
Dow up but Zoom stock falling, down almost 9% today.
Posted by: LASue at April 02, 2020 12:54 PM (Ed8Zd)
Must have something to do with porn showing up in their online teleconferences. That and the ability of the Zoom app to somehow steal MS Windows domain credentials without the person knowing it.
Dow up but Zoom stock falling, down almost 9% today.
Posted by: LASue at April 02, 2020 12:54 PM (Ed8Zd)
Must have something to do with porn showing up in their online teleconferences. That and the ability of the Zoom app to somehow steal MS Windows domain credentials without the person knowing it.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at April 02, 2020 12:56 PM (N39Ws)
520
BRAKING! - Look a hospital ship.
Posted by: Crazy Train Engineer at April 02, 2020 12:57 PM (r+sAi)
521
Dow up but Zoom stock falling, down almost 9% today.
Posted by: LASue at April 02, 2020 12:54 PM (Ed8Zd)
But Zoom is a successful data mining company, run by our most favored nation friends the ChiComs, what could go wrong?
Posted by: LASue at April 02, 2020 12:54 PM (Ed8Zd)
But Zoom is a successful data mining company, run by our most favored nation friends the ChiComs, what could go wrong?
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at April 02, 2020 12:57 PM (BiNEL)
522
It is truly stunning that the libs have totally weaponized this while
people, their fellow countrymen, are losing their jobs, businesses and
lives. It is insane.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at April 02, 2020 12:43 PM (7Fj9P)
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So you didn't believe "The left hates you and wants you dead?"
Even with everything else they have pulled, tried to pull, or actually did?
people, their fellow countrymen, are losing their jobs, businesses and
lives. It is insane.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at April 02, 2020 12:43 PM (7Fj9P)
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So you didn't believe "The left hates you and wants you dead?"
Even with everything else they have pulled, tried to pull, or actually did?
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at April 02, 2020 12:57 PM (pw+jk)
523
I have this industrial respirator that looks really imposing. Think I will bust it out on occasion for the stares.
Posted by: tubal
This is going to be the best opportunity you'll ever have to go shopping in a deep-sea diving suit.
Posted by: tubal
This is going to be the best opportunity you'll ever have to go shopping in a deep-sea diving suit.
Posted by: t-bird at April 02, 2020 12:57 PM (g0Lfb)
524
BACON!
Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 02, 2020 12:57 PM (e284m)
525
Intensive investigative research has proven that Hydrox Cookies and Bleach works best as a vaccine when washed down with Valu-Rite Vodka.
Posted by: MrObvious at April 02, 2020 12:58 PM (5prN7)
526
They went with the latter. There are decent arguments to be made for either option. What pisses me off is, having made an eyes-open, considered decision at that time, they then went and demanded that the national ventilator supply be sent to New York. There's also the point about them wasting more than that much money on Mrs. DeBlasio's nonsense, but that's an entirely different thing.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 02, 2020 12:53 PM (Q8c/L)
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Normally, I would agree with you. And I would be as matter-of-fact about it. But the artificial standard popularized by the media is can TRUMP guarantee a ventilator or mask to everyone who needs one.
NY already made that decision: No. Cuomo will not be held to the same artificial standard.
As progs simply can never remember their last artificial fecal-flecked standard.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 02, 2020 12:53 PM (Q8c/L)
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Normally, I would agree with you. And I would be as matter-of-fact about it. But the artificial standard popularized by the media is can TRUMP guarantee a ventilator or mask to everyone who needs one.
NY already made that decision: No. Cuomo will not be held to the same artificial standard.
As progs simply can never remember their last artificial fecal-flecked standard.
Posted by: Axeman at April 02, 2020 12:58 PM (Eicbe)
527
Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 02, 2020 12:56 PM (e284m)
To be honest, my late wife was a terrible cook. But at least there was variety in the mess, and the dog ate well.
To be honest, my late wife was a terrible cook. But at least there was variety in the mess, and the dog ate well.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at April 02, 2020 12:58 PM (o2MD2)
528
List of ingredients on my nighttime leg cramp pills contains "cinchona officinalis". No indication of the strength. But they work well (and quickly) on leg cramps.
Posted by: creeper at April 02, 2020 12:58 PM (XxJt1)
529
Trump is also filling the US Strategic Oil Reserve, which will improve demand too.
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Ha.
"Hey Saudis, we need to replenish our supplies. Can you cut us a deal? No? Oh well, we'll just do it now, I guess."
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Ha.
"Hey Saudis, we need to replenish our supplies. Can you cut us a deal? No? Oh well, we'll just do it now, I guess."
Posted by: Moron Robbie got the Kung Flu Grippe at April 02, 2020 12:58 PM (AwI0L)
Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 02, 2020 12:58 PM (e284m)
531
And M. McCain is the "conservative" on that show.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 02, 2020 12:59 PM (r+sAi)
532
You want real stimulus? Buy every U.S. produced oil future for the next two years for the Strategic Oil Reserves and fill up the storage caverns with dirt cheap Saudis sweet import.
We set a production plus cost system for refineries to repurchase the contracts and protect our industry and screw Opec and Russia.
We set a production plus cost system for refineries to repurchase the contracts and protect our industry and screw Opec and Russia.
Posted by: Kazi at April 02, 2020 12:59 PM (0x00j)
533
512 460 Tonight we are having Basque Chicken Stew.
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So the chicken is stolen? Is that how you make it?
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So the chicken is stolen? Is that how you make it?
Posted by: Puddin Head at April 02, 2020 12:59 PM (xAWn5)
534
"It explains how Trump became president" TheView's Meghan McCain believes TigerKing showcases the "demographic of people" that voted Donald Trump into office: https://trib.al/ys63Nuw
Posted by: Tami at April 02, 2020 12:53 PM (cF8AT)
" ... she finally got to bring her thoughts to The View‘s national audience."
Now THERE'S an exaggeration.
I've got news for you, oh Pudgy One. A lot of the people who voted for Trump also voted for your daddy.
(Btw, I'd never heard of TigerPussy, but am I the only one who, looking at his photo, suspects he's a bit light in the loafers?)
Posted by: Tami at April 02, 2020 12:53 PM (cF8AT)
" ... she finally got to bring her thoughts to The View‘s national audience."
Now THERE'S an exaggeration.
I've got news for you, oh Pudgy One. A lot of the people who voted for Trump also voted for your daddy.
(Btw, I'd never heard of TigerPussy, but am I the only one who, looking at his photo, suspects he's a bit light in the loafers?)
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 02, 2020 01:00 PM (73Q5c)
535
Do they have good recipes for prophylactics? Cream sauces, red sauce?
But your realize that's why there's a shortage, because they're eating them all.
Posted by: DamnedYankee
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Prophylactic sauce is particularly good on pasta puttanesca.
But your realize that's why there's a shortage, because they're eating them all.
Posted by: DamnedYankee
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Prophylactic sauce is particularly good on pasta puttanesca.
Posted by: Tonypete at April 02, 2020 01:00 PM (Y4EXg)
536
Normally, I would agree with you. And I would be as matter-of-fact about it. But the artificial standard popularized by the media is can TRUMP guarantee a ventilator or mask to everyone who needs one.
NY already made that decision: No. Cuomo will not be held to the same artificial standard.
As progs simply can never remember their last artificial fecal-flecked standard.
Posted by: Axeman at April 02, 2020 12:58 PM (Eicbe)
++++++++++++++
This is the real problem, yes. Their decision, someone else's fault. It's the progressive way.
NY already made that decision: No. Cuomo will not be held to the same artificial standard.
As progs simply can never remember their last artificial fecal-flecked standard.
Posted by: Axeman at April 02, 2020 12:58 PM (Eicbe)
++++++++++++++
This is the real problem, yes. Their decision, someone else's fault. It's the progressive way.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 02, 2020 01:00 PM (Q8c/L)
537
N.O. QTR gave a million for the wuhu.
Posted by: azalea city at April 02, 2020 01:00 PM (WX+x0)
538
To be honest, my late wife was a terrible cook. But at least there was variety in the mess, and the dog ate well.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at April 02, 2020 12:58 PM (o2MD2)
Hey man, if I can make halfway decent slop, anyone can. In fact, it usually gets worse on the 2nd or 3rd attempt because I 'know what I'm doin!'.
Boss lady tells me to quit while I'm ahead and stick with the first recipe version.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at April 02, 2020 12:58 PM (o2MD2)
Hey man, if I can make halfway decent slop, anyone can. In fact, it usually gets worse on the 2nd or 3rd attempt because I 'know what I'm doin!'.
Boss lady tells me to quit while I'm ahead and stick with the first recipe version.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 02, 2020 01:00 PM (e284m)
539
519 501
Dow up but Zoom stock falling, down almost 9% today.
Posted by: LASue at April 02, 2020 12:54 PM (Ed8Zd)
Must have something to do with porn showing up in their online teleconferences. That and the ability of the Zoom app to somehow steal MS Windows domain credentials without the person knowing it.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at April 02, 2020 12:56 PM (N39Ws)
Hey Bill G., if you can break off spouting useless opinions about pandemics, could you have the boys, you know, make Patch # 3,000,749, 236 to fix the problem your shit OS just asks to have happen??
Dow up but Zoom stock falling, down almost 9% today.
Posted by: LASue at April 02, 2020 12:54 PM (Ed8Zd)
Must have something to do with porn showing up in their online teleconferences. That and the ability of the Zoom app to somehow steal MS Windows domain credentials without the person knowing it.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at April 02, 2020 12:56 PM (N39Ws)
Hey Bill G., if you can break off spouting useless opinions about pandemics, could you have the boys, you know, make Patch # 3,000,749, 236 to fix the problem your shit OS just asks to have happen??
Posted by: tubal at April 02, 2020 01:00 PM (90T4r)
540
IIRC, there were two proposals:
- Spend half a billion dollars to stockpile ventilators to use as a reserve if a pandemic flu happened
- Draft up a plan to ration available resources if a pandemic flue happened.
They went with the latter. There are decent arguments to be made for either option. What pisses me off is, having made an eyes-open, considered decision at that time, they then went and demanded that the national ventilator supply be sent to New York. There's also the point about them wasting more than that much money on Mrs. DeBlasio's nonsense, but that's an entirely different thing.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 02, 2020 12:53 PM (Q8c/L)
Tall flash. Most the money used to produce ventilators is wasted. Only a very very small fraction of them are actually going to be used.
IIRC, there were two proposals:
- Spend half a billion dollars to stockpile ventilators to use as a reserve if a pandemic flu happened
- Draft up a plan to ration available resources if a pandemic flue happened.
They went with the latter. There are decent arguments to be made for either option. What pisses me off is, having made an eyes-open, considered decision at that time, they then went and demanded that the national ventilator supply be sent to New York. There's also the point about them wasting more than that much money on Mrs. DeBlasio's nonsense, but that's an entirely different thing.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 02, 2020 12:53 PM (Q8c/L)
Tall flash. Most the money used to produce ventilators is wasted. Only a very very small fraction of them are actually going to be used.
Posted by: Sooner at April 02, 2020 01:00 PM (Fs5vw)
541
Calif. Gov. @GavinNewsom:
"We see this as an opportunity to reshape the way we do business and how we govern."
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Like getting our industry the hell out of China?
"We see this as an opportunity to reshape the way we do business and how we govern."
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Like getting our industry the hell out of China?
Posted by: Lady in Black at April 02, 2020 01:00 PM (JoUsr)
542
I'm stunned by how easy it was to get people to except the premise and be cowed into submission.
Posted by: Sooner at April 02, 2020 12:46 PM (Fs5vw)
Not just cowed but terrified.
Posted by: Sooner at April 02, 2020 12:46 PM (Fs5vw)
Not just cowed but terrified.
Posted by: Caliban at April 02, 2020 01:00 PM (QE8X6)
543
I have this industrial respirator that looks really imposing. Think I will bust it out on occasion for the stares.
Posted by: tubal
Bonus points for the Darth Vader sounds.
Posted by: rickb223
I have one in my office I use on occasion in the factory. I had it on a year or so ago, and was making the Darth Vader noises to one of our employees named "Luke".
"I am your father, Luke!"
To which he replied, "yeah, like I've heard that joke about a 1000 times". Not impressed.
Posted by: tubal
Bonus points for the Darth Vader sounds.
Posted by: rickb223
I have one in my office I use on occasion in the factory. I had it on a year or so ago, and was making the Darth Vader noises to one of our employees named "Luke".
"I am your father, Luke!"
To which he replied, "yeah, like I've heard that joke about a 1000 times". Not impressed.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....menace to society at April 02, 2020 01:01 PM (vcOmj)
Posted by: Eric Swallowswell at April 02, 2020 01:01 PM (DMUuz)
545
531 And M. McCain is the "conservative" on that show.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 02, 2020 12:59 PM (r+sAi)
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And Joe Biden is the "moderate" of the presidential primary.
It feels like words have started to mean nothing.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 02, 2020 12:59 PM (r+sAi)
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And Joe Biden is the "moderate" of the presidential primary.
It feels like words have started to mean nothing.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at April 02, 2020 01:01 PM (zZbCU)
546
This quarantine shit is making me a skinny guinea.
opposite for me, I want to give business to our restaurants and I over tip them when I pick up my stuff but we're used to eating out maybe twice a week
Our locals seem to be making over sized meals to compensate for not having open dining rooms.
opposite for me, I want to give business to our restaurants and I over tip them when I pick up my stuff but we're used to eating out maybe twice a week
Our locals seem to be making over sized meals to compensate for not having open dining rooms.
Posted by: DanMan at April 02, 2020 01:01 PM (XTiHL)
547
Breaking - Hillary Clinton is still not President.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 02, 2020 01:02 PM (e284m)
548
I just read a tweet that I literally lol'd at -
"I'm working from home...as a bartender."
HaHaHaHa.
"I'm working from home...as a bartender."
HaHaHaHa.
Posted by: SMOD at April 02, 2020 01:02 PM (3aI0K)
549
Time to add an imported oil tariff. Exempt Mexico and Canada because of the USMCA.
Make it a sliding tariff. Pick a target price, say $40/bbl, and a fraction like 80%. At $39.00/ bbl you add a $0.80 tariff. At $20/bbl, add a $16 tariff, etc.
Trump is also filling the US Strategic Oil Reserve, which will improve demand too.
Posted by: rd at April 02, 2020 12:56 PM (+0uDE)
I suggested that several weeks ago. But include Canada and Mexico only if they also apply the same tariff to overseas oil.
Make it a sliding tariff. Pick a target price, say $40/bbl, and a fraction like 80%. At $39.00/ bbl you add a $0.80 tariff. At $20/bbl, add a $16 tariff, etc.
Trump is also filling the US Strategic Oil Reserve, which will improve demand too.
Posted by: rd at April 02, 2020 12:56 PM (+0uDE)
I suggested that several weeks ago. But include Canada and Mexico only if they also apply the same tariff to overseas oil.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 02, 2020 01:02 PM (miJU3)
550
539
Hey Bill G., if you can break off spouting useless opinions about pandemics, could you have the boys, you know, make Patch # 3,000,749, 236 to fix the problem your shit OS just asks to have happen??
Posted by: tubal at April 02, 2020 01:00 PM (90T4r)
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I don't think Gates has had anything to do with Microsoft in years.
Hey Bill G., if you can break off spouting useless opinions about pandemics, could you have the boys, you know, make Patch # 3,000,749, 236 to fix the problem your shit OS just asks to have happen??
Posted by: tubal at April 02, 2020 01:00 PM (90T4r)
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I don't think Gates has had anything to do with Microsoft in years.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at April 02, 2020 01:02 PM (zZbCU)
551
Bill Gates wants total social isolation to stop the virus.
Thus boosting computer sales.
I couldn't give a tinker's damn what Billy wants.
Posted by: Diogenes at April 02, 2020 12:35 PM (axyOa)
Exactly. Plus he's not an overly social guy to begin with. This has probably been his dream since 8th grade
Thus boosting computer sales.
I couldn't give a tinker's damn what Billy wants.
Posted by: Diogenes at April 02, 2020 12:35 PM (axyOa)
Exactly. Plus he's not an overly social guy to begin with. This has probably been his dream since 8th grade
Posted by: LASue at April 02, 2020 01:02 PM (Ed8Zd)
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....menace to society at April 02, 2020 01:02 PM (vcOmj)
553
Tall flash. Most the money used to produce ventilators is wasted. Only a very very small fraction of them are actually going to be used.
Posted by: Sooner at April 02, 2020 01:00 PM (Fs5vw)
+++++++++++++
In this current production push, yes. This argument was years ago. I suppose all these new vents will make their way into the stockpile at some point. I wonder if this ventilator push is as much to make sure we *can* retool and coordinate as it is to actually get the equipment.
Posted by: Sooner at April 02, 2020 01:00 PM (Fs5vw)
+++++++++++++
In this current production push, yes. This argument was years ago. I suppose all these new vents will make their way into the stockpile at some point. I wonder if this ventilator push is as much to make sure we *can* retool and coordinate as it is to actually get the equipment.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 02, 2020 01:02 PM (Q8c/L)
554
Uh, no sorry.
Can't have something that's ready to go right now.
Got to be something that's still months away from anybody actually being able to use it.
Nice try, though.
Can't have something that's ready to go right now.
Got to be something that's still months away from anybody actually being able to use it.
Nice try, though.
Posted by: The experts at April 02, 2020 01:03 PM (2Ia/C)
Posted by: Vanya at April 02, 2020 01:03 PM (BAsqb)
556
She got that back fat feverBack fat feverShe got a back fat feverThe back fat fever
Back fat feverBack fat Feeeeeverrr
You are welcome.
Back fat feverBack fat Feeeeeverrr
You are welcome.
Posted by: Guy That Gets Even at April 02, 2020 01:03 PM (pw+jk)
557
I ordered five last time I put in an order. Takes a couple of weeks to get them. And I do have a prescription for it. They jacked me around when I needed to use it more often due to fires in PNW. So I keep a stash on hand.
Posted by: notsothoreau at April 02, 2020 12:47 PM (JKNZq)
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Heh.
I started stocking up on Symbicort because I knew I was going to lose prescription coverage in a few months and wanted to give myself a bit of time before I was paying full freight.
I feel like a genius now.
Posted by: notsothoreau at April 02, 2020 12:47 PM (JKNZq)
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Heh.
I started stocking up on Symbicort because I knew I was going to lose prescription coverage in a few months and wanted to give myself a bit of time before I was paying full freight.
I feel like a genius now.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at April 02, 2020 01:03 PM (WEBkv)
558
I find myself reverting back to my natural eating pattern of one meal per day. Works best for me, seriously.
Posted by: tubal at April 02, 2020 12:56 PM (90T4r)
we're eating the same, mostly
I just make meals that have leftovers that last longer to stretch out my pantry supplies. Keeping it healthy as best as possible.
Husband working from home is good for him, he has the time to go running or working out.
And I snuck out and washed his car for him today.
Posted by: tubal at April 02, 2020 12:56 PM (90T4r)
we're eating the same, mostly
I just make meals that have leftovers that last longer to stretch out my pantry supplies. Keeping it healthy as best as possible.
Husband working from home is good for him, he has the time to go running or working out.
And I snuck out and washed his car for him today.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2020 01:03 PM (8fB/R)
559
>>@decider
"It explains how Trump became president" #TheView's Meghan McCain believes #TigerKing showcases the "demographic of people" that voted Donald Trump into office: https://trib.al/ys63Nuw
- - - -
These people keep inventing new ways to tell us what stupid, damaged people we Trump voters are, and yet they're the ones living in neighborhoods full of needles and human sh#t, paying crazy taxes with nothing to show for it, surrounded by homeless camps, obsessing about what's in their pants not matching their identity, and so on.
Projection's a helluva drug!
"It explains how Trump became president" #TheView's Meghan McCain believes #TigerKing showcases the "demographic of people" that voted Donald Trump into office: https://trib.al/ys63Nuw
- - - -
These people keep inventing new ways to tell us what stupid, damaged people we Trump voters are, and yet they're the ones living in neighborhoods full of needles and human sh#t, paying crazy taxes with nothing to show for it, surrounded by homeless camps, obsessing about what's in their pants not matching their identity, and so on.
Projection's a helluva drug!
Posted by: Lizzy at April 02, 2020 01:03 PM (bDqIh)
560
550 539
Hey Bill G., if you can break off spouting useless opinions about pandemics, could you have the boys, you know, make Patch # 3,000,749, 236 to fix the problem your shit OS just asks to have happen??
Posted by: tubal at April 02, 2020 01:00 PM (90T4r)
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I don't think Gates has had anything to do with Microsoft in years.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at April 02, 2020 01:02 PM (zZbCU)
I just wanted to insult him JM. I plead creative ( well, not really) license!
Hey Bill G., if you can break off spouting useless opinions about pandemics, could you have the boys, you know, make Patch # 3,000,749, 236 to fix the problem your shit OS just asks to have happen??
Posted by: tubal at April 02, 2020 01:00 PM (90T4r)
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I don't think Gates has had anything to do with Microsoft in years.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at April 02, 2020 01:02 PM (zZbCU)
I just wanted to insult him JM. I plead creative ( well, not really) license!
Posted by: tubal at April 02, 2020 01:03 PM (90T4r)
561
This is the real problem, yes. Their decision, someone else's fault. It's the progressive way.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 02, 2020 01:00 PM (Q8c/L)
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You just put your finger on it. When the progs obtain a monopoly on power and when they can no longer blame the previous power structure for their failures, *that's* when the shit hits the historical fan.
They consume sacrificial goats. Just like it dawned on me that communists consume economies. They can live off the last economy that they have digested, but they will soon need more.
Where as the blame-appetite of totalitarian socialists simply burns and becomes wrath.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 02, 2020 01:00 PM (Q8c/L)
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You just put your finger on it. When the progs obtain a monopoly on power and when they can no longer blame the previous power structure for their failures, *that's* when the shit hits the historical fan.
They consume sacrificial goats. Just like it dawned on me that communists consume economies. They can live off the last economy that they have digested, but they will soon need more.
Where as the blame-appetite of totalitarian socialists simply burns and becomes wrath.
Posted by: Axeman at April 02, 2020 01:04 PM (Eicbe)
562
I really don't think Cuomo understands how repellant NYC-centeredness is to the rest of us.
I'm tired of NYC uber alles BS also but I have a hard time faulting some states chief executive for having a My State First mentality.
I'm tired of NYC uber alles BS also but I have a hard time faulting some states chief executive for having a My State First mentality.
Posted by: Laughing in Texas at April 02, 2020 01:04 PM (Cdins)
563
Given my love for the Window OS and it smooth, seamless operation the past 20 years, I can't wait to see what Bill Gates comes up with for corona virus cure.
Posted by: Ripley at April 02, 2020 01:04 PM (MxEKc)
564
Bill Gates should be listened to. You see, he has more money than you do, therefore, his opinion means more.
/s
/s
Posted by: Lady in Black at April 02, 2020 01:04 PM (JoUsr)
565
SHE'S A PLANET!
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....menace to society at April 02, 2020 01:02 PM (vcOmj)
Oh, you said planet, I thought you said plant. That would have been awesome.
SHE'S A PLANET!
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....menace to society at April 02, 2020 01:02 PM (vcOmj)
Oh, you said planet, I thought you said plant. That would have been awesome.
Posted by: Harvey Weinstein at April 02, 2020 01:04 PM (e284m)
566
SHE'S A PLANET!
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....menace to society at April 02, 2020 01:02 PM (vcOmj)
She's a moon, orbiting Uranus.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....menace to society at April 02, 2020 01:02 PM (vcOmj)
She's a moon, orbiting Uranus.
Posted by: Ladyl at April 02, 2020 01:04 PM (TdMsT)
567
@andishehnouraee
A stunning admission of deadly ignorance from Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp, who says he only just learned that asymptomatic people can transmit #Covid19. "ndividuals could have been infecting people before they ever felt bad, but we didn't know that until the last 24 hours."
Hooooly Shit! We've known this about viruses for decades nimrod!
A stunning admission of deadly ignorance from Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp, who says he only just learned that asymptomatic people can transmit #Covid19. "ndividuals could have been infecting people before they ever felt bad, but we didn't know that until the last 24 hours."
Hooooly Shit! We've known this about viruses for decades nimrod!
Posted by: Tami at April 02, 2020 01:04 PM (cF8AT)
568
Read yesterday doctors treating Wuhan patients this drug just as a precaution.
Posted by: Skip at April 02, 2020 01:04 PM (ZCEU2)
569
Every time we seem to be getting to the end of this, another state erupts with new cases. Expect in the next few days for that to happen again.
Totally unrelated:
https://preview.tinyurl.com/tppslty
Totally unrelated:
https://preview.tinyurl.com/tppslty
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 02, 2020 01:04 PM (KZzsI)
570
Lol the Bee. Man brilliantly diffuses argument by telling wife to "calm down."
https://tinyurl.com/quooy2j
https://tinyurl.com/quooy2j
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 02, 2020 01:04 PM (ptqGC)
571
IF Meghan's husband fed her fish tank cleaner and killed her would anyone vote to convict?
Posted by: Puddin Head at April 02, 2020 01:04 PM (xAWn5)
572
539
Hey Bill G., if you can break off spouting useless
opinions about pandemics, could you have the boys, you know, make Patch #
3,000,749, 236 to fix the problem your shit OS just asks to have
happen??
Posted by: tubal at April 02, 2020 01:00 PM (90T4r)
He did. Windows 10 20H1 update will be rolling out in the next couple of weeks.
Hey Bill G., if you can break off spouting useless
opinions about pandemics, could you have the boys, you know, make Patch #
3,000,749, 236 to fix the problem your shit OS just asks to have
happen??
Posted by: tubal at April 02, 2020 01:00 PM (90T4r)
He did. Windows 10 20H1 update will be rolling out in the next couple of weeks.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at April 02, 2020 01:04 PM (N39Ws)
573
Now THERE'S an exaggeration.
I've got news for you, oh Pudgy One. A lot of the people who voted for Trump also voted for your daddy.
(Btw, I'd never heard of TigerPussy, but am I the only one who, looking at his photo, suspects he's a bit light in the loafers?)
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 02, 2020 01:00 PM (73Q5c)
He married two guys -- at the same time-- in Oklahoma.
They all wore bright pink shirts for the ceremony.
I've got news for you, oh Pudgy One. A lot of the people who voted for Trump also voted for your daddy.
(Btw, I'd never heard of TigerPussy, but am I the only one who, looking at his photo, suspects he's a bit light in the loafers?)
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 02, 2020 01:00 PM (73Q5c)
He married two guys -- at the same time-- in Oklahoma.
They all wore bright pink shirts for the ceremony.
Posted by: LASue at April 02, 2020 01:05 PM (Ed8Zd)
574
I don't think Gates has had anything to do with Microsoft in years.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at April 02, 2020 01:02 PM (zZbCU)
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He hasn't. I think he was removed from the board earlier this year.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at April 02, 2020 01:02 PM (zZbCU)
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He hasn't. I think he was removed from the board earlier this year.
Posted by: Axeman at April 02, 2020 01:05 PM (Eicbe)
575
I'm tired of NYC uber alles BS also but I have a hard time faulting some states chief executive for having a My State First mentality.
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Ironically though, Cuomo is no doubt positively repelled by the very thought of My Country First.
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Ironically though, Cuomo is no doubt positively repelled by the very thought of My Country First.
Posted by: Lady in Black at April 02, 2020 01:05 PM (JoUsr)
Posted by: filbert at April 02, 2020 01:05 PM (NiXyF)
577
574 I don't think Gates has had anything to do with Microsoft in years.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at April 02, 2020 01:02 PM (zZbCU)
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He hasn't. I think he was removed from the board earlier this year.
Posted by: Axeman at April 02, 2020 01:05 PM (Eicbe)
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I feel like he sold all his stock at the same time, too.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at April 02, 2020 01:02 PM (zZbCU)
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He hasn't. I think he was removed from the board earlier this year.
Posted by: Axeman at April 02, 2020 01:05 PM (Eicbe)
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I feel like he sold all his stock at the same time, too.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at April 02, 2020 01:05 PM (zZbCU)
578
I'm tired of NYC uber alles BS also but I have a hard time faulting some states chief executive for having a My State First mentality.
I'm okay with that, but not his "...and I'll tell everyone else what to do while attacking the president for doing what I said he should and hiding supplies I demanded from him" attitude
I'm okay with that, but not his "...and I'll tell everyone else what to do while attacking the president for doing what I said he should and hiding supplies I demanded from him" attitude
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 02, 2020 01:05 PM (KZzsI)
579
"After all this time we still don't have complete stats or firm data."
Which is the same reason the debate over AOC's boobs rages on.
Posted by: Ripley at April 02, 2020 12:39 PM (MxEKc)
I suppose you could refer to a nice perky pair of breasts as "data", what with the word being plural and all.
I may have crossed the streams with this comment.
Which is the same reason the debate over AOC's boobs rages on.
Posted by: Ripley at April 02, 2020 12:39 PM (MxEKc)
I suppose you could refer to a nice perky pair of breasts as "data", what with the word being plural and all.
I may have crossed the streams with this comment.
Posted by: Sharkman at April 02, 2020 01:05 PM (UI5zK)
580
Ok, for some reason that tweet had "[ i ]ndivuals...." in it. No idea why but I didn't catch it....
Posted by: Tami at April 02, 2020 01:05 PM (cF8AT)
581
Don't forget to call the hydroxy/chloroquine variants the "Trump Cure" when/if it works out to rub it in the Left's and MFM's faces.
Posted by: andycanuck at April 02, 2020 01:06 PM (TQ/zJ)
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>>Bill Gates wants total social isolation to stop the virus.
Thus boosting computer sales.
- - - -
We then do everything online, which can be analyzed a million different ways to their advantage.
Also, it makes them gatekeepers (see: social media cancel culture spreading to banks, etc.).
Thus boosting computer sales.
- - - -
We then do everything online, which can be analyzed a million different ways to their advantage.
Also, it makes them gatekeepers (see: social media cancel culture spreading to banks, etc.).
Posted by: Lizzy at April 02, 2020 01:06 PM (bDqIh)
583
IF Meghan's husband fed her fish tank cleaner and killed her would anyone vote to convict?
Posted by: Puddin Head at April 02, 2020 01:04 PM (xAWn5)
Weeeeeeeeell apparently she's preggers so yeah I would.
Posted by: Puddin Head at April 02, 2020 01:04 PM (xAWn5)
Weeeeeeeeell apparently she's preggers so yeah I would.
Posted by: Vanya at April 02, 2020 01:06 PM (BAsqb)
584
I really don't think Cuomo understands how repellant NYC-centeredness is to the rest of us.
I'm tired of NYC uber alles BS also but I have a hard time faulting some states chief executive for having a My State First mentality.
Posted by: Laughing in Tex
Cuomo and his moob ties.
Still makes me laugh.
I'm tired of NYC uber alles BS also but I have a hard time faulting some states chief executive for having a My State First mentality.
Posted by: Laughing in Tex
Cuomo and his moob ties.
Still makes me laugh.
Posted by: LASue at April 02, 2020 01:06 PM (Ed8Zd)
585
I've got news for you, oh Pudgy One. A lot of the people who voted for Trump also voted for your daddy.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 02, 2020 01:00 PM (73Q5c)
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They never have to *test* their assertions. They just throw out there what "seems to them".
Which is why the "elite" get dumber and dumber by the moment. There's no test of quality.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 02, 2020 01:00 PM (73Q5c)
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They never have to *test* their assertions. They just throw out there what "seems to them".
Which is why the "elite" get dumber and dumber by the moment. There's no test of quality.
Posted by: Axeman at April 02, 2020 01:07 PM (Eicbe)
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582 >>Bill Gates wants total social isolation to stop the virus.
Thus boosting computer sales.
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We then do everything online, which can be analyzed a million different ways to their advantage.
Also, it makes them gatekeepers (see: social media cancel culture spreading to banks, etc.).
Posted by: Lizzy at April 02, 2020 01:06 PM (bDqIh)
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It's gotta be hard to rewire a house through the internet.
Thus boosting computer sales.
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We then do everything online, which can be analyzed a million different ways to their advantage.
Also, it makes them gatekeepers (see: social media cancel culture spreading to banks, etc.).
Posted by: Lizzy at April 02, 2020 01:06 PM (bDqIh)
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It's gotta be hard to rewire a house through the internet.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at April 02, 2020 01:07 PM (zZbCU)
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569
https://preview.tinyurl.com/tppslty
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 02, 2020 01:04 PM (KZzsI)
This is why I don't believe the genesis of the COVID virus is natural. Accidental or intentional, I believe the ChiComs developed it and it was released.
https://preview.tinyurl.com/tppslty
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 02, 2020 01:04 PM (KZzsI)
This is why I don't believe the genesis of the COVID virus is natural. Accidental or intentional, I believe the ChiComs developed it and it was released.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at April 02, 2020 01:07 PM (N39Ws)
588
Nood
Posted by: Furious George at April 02, 2020 01:07 PM (9vQJW)
589
With NYers have 10 times almost the rest of us why isn't NY quarantined from us?
Posted by: Skip at April 02, 2020 01:07 PM (ZCEU2)
590
More evidence is emerging that coronavirus infections are being spread by people who have no clear symptoms, complicating efforts to gain control of the pandemic.
A study conducted by researchers in Singapore and published by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Wednesday is the latest to estimate that around 10% of new coronavirus infections may be sparked by people who were infected with the virus but not experiencing symptoms.
CDC
Summary of Changes:
Changed risk strata descriptions -- levels of risk have been reduced to simplify communications and implementation
Changed period of exposure risk from "onset of symptoms" to "48 hours before symptom onset"
Added the definition of a contact to include exposure to a laboratory confirmed case as well as a clinically compatible case in regions with widespread ongoing transmission
Removed "no risk" category and replaced with unknown risk to acknowledge that all persons in the United States are at some risk of COVID-19 given the increases in community spread throughout the United States.
no one seems to know what is going on
More evidence is emerging that coronavirus infections are being spread by people who have no clear symptoms, complicating efforts to gain control of the pandemic.
A study conducted by researchers in Singapore and published by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Wednesday is the latest to estimate that around 10% of new coronavirus infections may be sparked by people who were infected with the virus but not experiencing symptoms.
CDC
Summary of Changes:
Changed risk strata descriptions -- levels of risk have been reduced to simplify communications and implementation
Changed period of exposure risk from "onset of symptoms" to "48 hours before symptom onset"
Added the definition of a contact to include exposure to a laboratory confirmed case as well as a clinically compatible case in regions with widespread ongoing transmission
Removed "no risk" category and replaced with unknown risk to acknowledge that all persons in the United States are at some risk of COVID-19 given the increases in community spread throughout the United States.
no one seems to know what is going on
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2020 01:07 PM (8fB/R)
591
Our locals seem to be making over sized meals to compensate for not having open dining rooms.
Posted by: DanMan at April 02, 2020 01:01 PM (XTiHL)
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Happened to me the other night - was expecting a piece of fish and some shrimp scampi and got 3 pieces and what looked like a pound of shrimp, which I ate because I'm not a quitter.
Posted by: DanMan at April 02, 2020 01:01 PM (XTiHL)
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Happened to me the other night - was expecting a piece of fish and some shrimp scampi and got 3 pieces and what looked like a pound of shrimp, which I ate because I'm not a quitter.
Posted by: jhawk90 at April 02, 2020 01:07 PM (UpXOu)
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I suppose you could refer to a nice perky pair of breasts as "data", what with the word being plural and all.
I may have crossed the streams with this comment.
Posted by: Sharkman at April 02, 2020 01:05 PM (UI5zK)
Nice.
We should all endeavor to study data
I may have crossed the streams with this comment.
Posted by: Sharkman at April 02, 2020 01:05 PM (UI5zK)
Nice.
We should all endeavor to study data
Posted by: Vanya at April 02, 2020 01:07 PM (BAsqb)
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@andishehnouraee
A stunning admission of deadly ignorance from Georgia Gov. Brian
Kemp, who says he only just learned that asymptomatic people can
transmit #Covid19. "ndividuals could have been infecting people before they ever felt bad, but we didn't know that until the last 24 hours."
What an idiot.
*reconsiders Stacey Abrams* *decides to drink heavily instead*
@andishehnouraee
A stunning admission of deadly ignorance from Georgia Gov. Brian
Kemp, who says he only just learned that asymptomatic people can
transmit #Covid19. "ndividuals could have been infecting people before they ever felt bad, but we didn't know that until the last 24 hours."
What an idiot.
*reconsiders Stacey Abrams* *decides to drink heavily instead*
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 02, 2020 01:08 PM (ptqGC)
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I am a lousy cook because my first husband loved to cook and was good at it. But a friend told me, "if you know what good food tastes like, you can learn to be a good cook." I've gotten better, but now I don't really care what I eat. I am getting an air fryer this weekend, so maybe I'll get back into it.
Posted by: notsothoreau at April 02, 2020 01:08 PM (JKNZq)
595
Brian Kemp just might be a doofus.
Posted by: Joe Biden at April 02, 2020 01:08 PM (sWM8x)
596
My damnedyankee sister sent me a carton of "Wicked Whoopies".
A dozen -
410 calories per servings - 2 servings per container (you have to cut the sucker in half for 'a serving').
Each one a 5.5 oz masterpiece of virtually empty caloric consumption and wonderful flavor.
A dozen -
410 calories per servings - 2 servings per container (you have to cut the sucker in half for 'a serving').
Each one a 5.5 oz masterpiece of virtually empty caloric consumption and wonderful flavor.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 02, 2020 01:09 PM (e284m)
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>>I'm tired of NYC uber alles BS also but I have a hard time faulting some states chief executive for having a My State First mentality.
Maybe if Cuomo hadn't been telling pro-life people upset with the recent pro-abortion legislation that they were not welcome in his state it would be easier to take.
Didn't he and his pals also gleefully chase Trump out of the state with their shenanigans re: releasing his tax records and using SDNY to harass him and his associates?
Maybe if Cuomo hadn't been telling pro-life people upset with the recent pro-abortion legislation that they were not welcome in his state it would be easier to take.
Didn't he and his pals also gleefully chase Trump out of the state with their shenanigans re: releasing his tax records and using SDNY to harass him and his associates?
Posted by: Lizzy at April 02, 2020 01:09 PM (bDqIh)
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It would be good to come up with several different viable vaccines for this virus, so that when the next one of these comes around we have a better chance of getting an effective vaccine out quickly, because we will have several related bases to work from instead of starting all over from the beginning.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Quarantine Special - Free Delivery of Lockdown Laments from The Outrage Outlet! at April 02, 2020 01:09 PM (qJfw/)
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Sorry, just got home, so missed the below thread on my beloved Marines. Just like to add, if not mentioned, that we have a storied history of fighting and killing Chinese hordes, from the tong wars, to Korea. They fear us, with good reason, deeply and culturally. With stories passed down from previous generations. Hence, having the USMC lead any anti-China effort is good strategy from a "break the enemy's morale" perspective.
Posted by: Farmer Bob at April 02, 2020 01:10 PM (87EdW)
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As a widower I am having slop tonight. Last night I had swill. Tomorrow I will have a tasty bowl of gruel. Sigh
Five simple and delicious one skillet meals:
https://preview.tinyurl.com/twlks7l
Five simple and delicious one skillet meals:
https://preview.tinyurl.com/twlks7l
Posted by: bonhomme at April 02, 2020 01:10 PM (9t0Zz)
601
Newsom's blather is obviously just standard empty idiot talk from an idiot, for idiots. Not a thing will change - it will stay just as bad in CA. Because enough voters aren't affected, don't care, or don't understand enough to change anything.
And some here might want to brace themselves for the stunning development that once the all-clear is given, things will instantly return to normal. Amazing.
And some here might want to brace themselves for the stunning development that once the all-clear is given, things will instantly return to normal. Amazing.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 02, 2020 01:10 PM (El6T/)
Posted by: andycanuck at April 02, 2020 01:10 PM (TQ/zJ)
603
469
The Saudis are doing this to regain market share
by bankrupting the frakkers in the US. They can keep pumping to break
the price globally for a while, because demand for oil is well off peak
right now.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....menace to society at April 02, 2020 12:50 PM (vcOmj)
They have done this before.
The Saudis are doing this to regain market share
by bankrupting the frakkers in the US. They can keep pumping to break
the price globally for a while, because demand for oil is well off peak
right now.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....menace to society at April 02, 2020 12:50 PM (vcOmj)
They have done this before.
Posted by: Javems at April 02, 2020 01:10 PM (ofIwF)
604
I have one in my office I use on occasion in the factory. I had it on a year or so ago, and was making the Darth Vader noises to one of our employees named "Luke".
"I am your father, Luke!"
To which he replied, "yeah, like I've heard that joke about a 1000 times". Not impressed.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....menace to society at April 02, 2020 01:01 PM (vcOmj)
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My meatspace initials are, to certain low-IQ demographics amusing. My response to those individuals is, "Yeah, it was funny the first 150 times." *deathglare*
"I am your father, Luke!"
To which he replied, "yeah, like I've heard that joke about a 1000 times". Not impressed.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....menace to society at April 02, 2020 01:01 PM (vcOmj)
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My meatspace initials are, to certain low-IQ demographics amusing. My response to those individuals is, "Yeah, it was funny the first 150 times." *deathglare*
Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Lone Fire at April 02, 2020 01:11 PM (g8Yc+)
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"After all this time we still don't have complete stats or firm data."
Which is the same reason the debate over AOC's boobs rages on.
Posted by: Ripley at April 02, 2020 12:39 PM (MxEKc)
I suppose you could refer to a nice perky pair of breasts as "data", what with the word being plural and all.
I may have crossed the streams with this comment.
Posted by: Sharkman at April 02, 2020 01:05 PM (UI5zK)
The metadata on perky breasts are fascinating to study. Attributes such as cup size, etc.
"After all this time we still don't have complete stats or firm data."
Which is the same reason the debate over AOC's boobs rages on.
Posted by: Ripley at April 02, 2020 12:39 PM (MxEKc)
I suppose you could refer to a nice perky pair of breasts as "data", what with the word being plural and all.
I may have crossed the streams with this comment.
Posted by: Sharkman at April 02, 2020 01:05 PM (UI5zK)
The metadata on perky breasts are fascinating to study. Attributes such as cup size, etc.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at April 02, 2020 01:11 PM (N39Ws)
606
I lost it with Kemp when he appointed Kelly Loeffler, not even a GA native, a wealthy Planned Parenthood supporter, and all 'round RINO, to Isakson's senate seat.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 02, 2020 01:11 PM (ptqGC)
607
I don't think Gates has had anything to do with Microsoft in years.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at April 02, 2020 01:02 PM (zZbCU)
Then why hasn't MS software improved?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at April 02, 2020 01:02 PM (zZbCU)
Then why hasn't MS software improved?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 02, 2020 01:11 PM (73Q5c)
608
The only thing I know about Tiger King is that he believes in being an individual with a capital I.
He *expresses* himself. He doesn't think society should tell him whether or not he should love big cats to the extent he does (I'm not sure about the extent).
That's a total liberal way to view life.
Suddenly, because somebody dragged it from their ass, it's a Trump Voter icon. Because he's also ludicrous, and their first (Alinskyan) instinct is ridicule.
Much liberal behavior over the years have been positively selected for the politically competitive advantage of ridicule.
He *expresses* himself. He doesn't think society should tell him whether or not he should love big cats to the extent he does (I'm not sure about the extent).
That's a total liberal way to view life.
Suddenly, because somebody dragged it from their ass, it's a Trump Voter icon. Because he's also ludicrous, and their first (Alinskyan) instinct is ridicule.
Much liberal behavior over the years have been positively selected for the politically competitive advantage of ridicule.
Posted by: Axeman at April 02, 2020 01:12 PM (Eicbe)
609
Everybody wants to be Batman.
Posted by: Fritz at April 02, 2020 01:14 PM (95j/9)
610
"Given my love for the Window OS and it smooth, seamless operation the past 20 years, I can't wait to see what Bill Gates comes up with for corona virus cure."
I actually really like Windows 7. That explains why they stopped supporting it.
I actually really like Windows 7. That explains why they stopped supporting it.
Posted by: Chris M at April 02, 2020 01:14 PM (eAZVt)
611
no one seems to know what is going on
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2020 01:07 PM (8fB/R)
Nope. It's early days. Hence the (for once) warranted application of the precautionary principle.
(As opposed to that bullshit re global warming.)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2020 01:07 PM (8fB/R)
Nope. It's early days. Hence the (for once) warranted application of the precautionary principle.
(As opposed to that bullshit re global warming.)
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 02, 2020 01:15 PM (73Q5c)
612
I actually really like Windows 7. That explains why they stopped supporting it.
Posted by: Chris M at April 02, 2020 01:14 PM (eAZVt)
Me too. I tried upgrading to W10, when that was free, but my system crashed every half hour. So I rolled it back to W7. No problems.
Posted by: Chris M at April 02, 2020 01:14 PM (eAZVt)
Me too. I tried upgrading to W10, when that was free, but my system crashed every half hour. So I rolled it back to W7. No problems.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 02, 2020 01:16 PM (73Q5c)
613
the silence from most of the media on these significant items is deafening. All they are good for these days is asking Trump snarky gotcha questions.
Posted by: politic uber alles at April 02, 2020 01:16 PM (0hOKG)
614
Now get people tested earlier so they can start the HCQ/Z-pak in time to head off pneumonia and respiratory failure.
Posted by: Brown Hornet at April 02, 2020 01:17 PM (l7udz)
615
Governor of Michigan BANS Hydroxychloroquine for non-malaria treatments because Orange Man Bad four days ago.
Yesterday.... LIFTS ban and blames ORANGE MAN BAD for not having enough Hydroxychloroquine.
Posted by: fixerupper at April 02, 2020 12:07 PM (nw6Hr)
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I live in the Detroit area and the other day when Pres. Trump has a conference, none of our local stations carried it. Tonight, however, all of our local stations are going to carry her "town hall" . Disgusting. She was prouder of keeping the free lunches going than deciding about what's going on with schools. She dodged questions about tax relief, but throws out "free water" in her speeches. She knows her audience, and it's not working, self sufficient , thinking people.
Yesterday.... LIFTS ban and blames ORANGE MAN BAD for not having enough Hydroxychloroquine.
Posted by: fixerupper at April 02, 2020 12:07 PM (nw6Hr)
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I live in the Detroit area and the other day when Pres. Trump has a conference, none of our local stations carried it. Tonight, however, all of our local stations are going to carry her "town hall" . Disgusting. She was prouder of keeping the free lunches going than deciding about what's going on with schools. She dodged questions about tax relief, but throws out "free water" in her speeches. She knows her audience, and it's not working, self sufficient , thinking people.
Posted by: Chillin the most at April 02, 2020 01:22 PM (lonOK)
616
Here is an interesting chart from NYC from this morning about Wu Tang Flu and death and preexisting conditions:
https://tinyurl.com/NYC-PE-Cond-Deaths
It says just about what you thought it would say.
https://tinyurl.com/NYC-PE-Cond-Deaths
It says just about what you thought it would say.
Posted by: Sharkman at April 02, 2020 01:27 PM (UI5zK)
617
alevoli-->alveoli
Like "ravioli." Sort of.
Like "ravioli." Sort of.
Posted by: m at April 02, 2020 01:28 PM (oGFm1)
618
So I guess this is being roundly shot-down/ignored/poo-pooed by the Twitter educated epidemiologists and media putzes.
Posted by: Chairman LMAO at April 02, 2020 01:29 PM (EZD3+)
619
Don't tell that to Glenn Reynolds and his merry band of Instapansy panic-stricken fear mongers.
Posted by: TeleSkier at April 02, 2020 01:30 PM (ua1m6)
620
As a heart doc I can tell you the "killing through a heart attack" story is a mixed bag.
Because we want to err on the side of detecting heart damage from newly blocked coronaries as early as possible, we have developed profoundly sensitive tests to detect small amounts of heart muscle enzymes in the blood.
Unfortunately though, with many severe illnesses the cardiac enzymes, the blood tests we do to detect myocardial infarction, turn positive. This is the bane of cardiology as we get called to see ever other elderly patient with sepsis from any source. Often when the dust settles we do angiography and find no high risk newish blockage to have caused this particular "enzyme leak."
Sometimes there is a new blockage, from plaque rupture due to the stress of the illness.
But most of the time, these enzyme elevations are not related to new anatomic blockage in your arteries. When your organs are dying, the heart is dying along with them. If we had supersensitive enzymes to detect very early minuscule cell death in other organs, they would also probably be positive when you are in septic shock or have very low oxygen levels from lung damage.
Because so many of the COVID 19 patients have positive cardiac tests, including enzyme leaks and abnormal EKGs, we are having to do a lot of triage. We don't want these patients in the cath lab because:
1. If their abnormal tests are due to illness other than a new blocked large heart artery, the trip to the cath lab benefits them not one whit. They get chest radiation and kidney exposure to contrast without any hope of benefit.
2. If I allow cath lab staff to be inadvertently exposed to a virus shedder, they will all be out on mandatory quarantine for 2 weeks. It doesn't take too many mistakes before you have destroyed an entire department's ability to respond to real MIs. And we are seeing quite a few big "real" MIs so we don't want people to have no emergency stent option.
Ok that was long and boring. Can you tell they've cancelled my clinic and I'm feeling useless today?
Because we want to err on the side of detecting heart damage from newly blocked coronaries as early as possible, we have developed profoundly sensitive tests to detect small amounts of heart muscle enzymes in the blood.
Unfortunately though, with many severe illnesses the cardiac enzymes, the blood tests we do to detect myocardial infarction, turn positive. This is the bane of cardiology as we get called to see ever other elderly patient with sepsis from any source. Often when the dust settles we do angiography and find no high risk newish blockage to have caused this particular "enzyme leak."
Sometimes there is a new blockage, from plaque rupture due to the stress of the illness.
But most of the time, these enzyme elevations are not related to new anatomic blockage in your arteries. When your organs are dying, the heart is dying along with them. If we had supersensitive enzymes to detect very early minuscule cell death in other organs, they would also probably be positive when you are in septic shock or have very low oxygen levels from lung damage.
Because so many of the COVID 19 patients have positive cardiac tests, including enzyme leaks and abnormal EKGs, we are having to do a lot of triage. We don't want these patients in the cath lab because:
1. If their abnormal tests are due to illness other than a new blocked large heart artery, the trip to the cath lab benefits them not one whit. They get chest radiation and kidney exposure to contrast without any hope of benefit.
2. If I allow cath lab staff to be inadvertently exposed to a virus shedder, they will all be out on mandatory quarantine for 2 weeks. It doesn't take too many mistakes before you have destroyed an entire department's ability to respond to real MIs. And we are seeing quite a few big "real" MIs so we don't want people to have no emergency stent option.
Ok that was long and boring. Can you tell they've cancelled my clinic and I'm feeling useless today?
Posted by: Jade Sea at April 02, 2020 01:31 PM (/jnls)
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Rush is on fire today, as he usually is, but I think there's a lot of learning experiences going on right now.
Mainly worshipping Gaia, demonizing fly over country and making fun fly over country is awful. If we went whole hog with green energy there would be a lot of dead people right now and fly over country is feeding us.
Fuck the left.
Mainly worshipping Gaia, demonizing fly over country and making fun fly over country is awful. If we went whole hog with green energy there would be a lot of dead people right now and fly over country is feeding us.
Fuck the left.
Posted by: thathalfrican - sucker free on my phone at April 02, 2020 01:34 PM (H4/ZK)
622
I was intubated 25 years ago, for pneumonia. Out for 3 weeks in Respiratory ICU. They tell me I went in with one kind and contracted another kind while I was there.
They had me on Propofol, the same stuff that killed Michael Jackson.
The family was worried sick but I was having nice trippy dreams.
Walked out of there myself, too, thank the Lord. Call me grateful. So, folks, take heart: People do get better.
They had me on Propofol, the same stuff that killed Michael Jackson.
The family was worried sick but I was having nice trippy dreams.
Walked out of there myself, too, thank the Lord. Call me grateful. So, folks, take heart: People do get better.
Posted by: Aunt Ralph at April 02, 2020 01:37 PM (KIXyE)
623
Has anyone asked if Chris Cuomo is taking HCQ and Z-Pack?
Posted by: Dan at April 02, 2020 01:37 PM (+NG5U)
624
I know this is a little off topic, but I wanted to give back to Ace in a way that could salve his soul in these trying times.
https://www.bluespringsassembly.org/kaboom-kids
https://www.bluespringsassembly.org/kaboom-kids
Posted by: Sunflower at April 02, 2020 01:44 PM (nHY+3)
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Ace, sentence 1 and sentence 3 here seem to contradict each other:
"He says that of the patients he treated, only patients who had been on hydroxychloroquine for two days or less needed intubation. Anyone who was on hydroxychloroquine for five days or more did not need intubation.
He said zero patients getting hydroxycloroquine had to be intubated."
"He says that of the patients he treated, only patients who had been on hydroxychloroquine for two days or less needed intubation. Anyone who was on hydroxychloroquine for five days or more did not need intubation.
He said zero patients getting hydroxycloroquine had to be intubated."
Posted by: Shane McGowan's Liver at April 02, 2020 01:48 PM (E1ETU)
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426 There is some evidence that Covid-19 can cause myocardial inflammation via what's known as a cytokine storm, whereas an over sensitive immune system response to a virus leads white blood cells to attack and weaken healthy cells eventually producing symptoms that mimic a heart attack, without the regular coronavirus symptoms present in the lungs. I don't have a link but I read it on the internet.
Posted by: Kazi at April 02, 2020 12:44 PM (0x00j)
Yes, this is a similar mechanism to that which made 1918-1919 Spanish Flu so dangerous.
Posted by: Kazi at April 02, 2020 12:44 PM (0x00j)
Yes, this is a similar mechanism to that which made 1918-1919 Spanish Flu so dangerous.
Posted by: Pinochet's Sunglasses at April 02, 2020 01:49 PM (13pLf)
Posted by: Count de Monet at April 02, 2020 01:50 PM (q1Pj5)
628
428 Reading the comments on the NY Times on a story yesterday about hydroxychloroquine is fascinating. Basically breakdown of amateur epidemiologist talking about only clinical trials that are double blind are valid, comments about how orange-man-bad is preventing treatment, and a fair numbers of doc with anecdotal accounts of it working. Well there is an old saying that when you get enough anecdotes, it is call data.
What I a fascinated by is that there is a view that only double blind clinical trials that take years are valid. I would say how about we adhere to the Scientific method, and use that as a basis; ask a question, gather info, make a hypothesis, test the hypothesis, Is it working yes/no, analyse and draw conclusion. I would then add are the results repeatable. I think it is acceptable to say that when time is critical to substitute repeatable results from independent sources for a double blind study. The whole point is that individual researchers don't bias their own work. If you get repeatable independent results I would say that is better.
Posted by: patrick at April 02, 2020 12:44 PM (yhZW9)
Exactly, you never ignore clinical evidence. Waiting for sterile double blind drug trials is the response of an empty headed managerialist for whom there is always a teacher, cop, or bureaucrat to run to for direction.
What I a fascinated by is that there is a view that only double blind clinical trials that take years are valid. I would say how about we adhere to the Scientific method, and use that as a basis; ask a question, gather info, make a hypothesis, test the hypothesis, Is it working yes/no, analyse and draw conclusion. I would then add are the results repeatable. I think it is acceptable to say that when time is critical to substitute repeatable results from independent sources for a double blind study. The whole point is that individual researchers don't bias their own work. If you get repeatable independent results I would say that is better.
Posted by: patrick at April 02, 2020 12:44 PM (yhZW9)
Exactly, you never ignore clinical evidence. Waiting for sterile double blind drug trials is the response of an empty headed managerialist for whom there is always a teacher, cop, or bureaucrat to run to for direction.
Posted by: Pinochet's Sunglasses at April 02, 2020 01:51 PM (13pLf)
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A doc in the Hasidic community(high number of cases because they refuse to social distance in any way) in Orange Country NY has had really good success. As of Monday he has treated 699 Wuhan virus patients and had only sent 4 to the hospital. I would say that is a rather good success rate. This will be down played for as long as possible as it ends the lefts chance to continue with their "not letting a crisis go to waste" campaign of tyrannical behavior and trying to stick more pork into "relief bills". It also means that Big Pharma loses a chance at a new expensive drug for treatment. They will still push for a vaccine but they were unable to come up with one for SARS and there are already 8 known strains of this virus. As you can tell I have a certain level of distrust, LOL. I do have to take certain meds and am not against conventional medicine but my experience as been one screw up after another by MDs. It's a case of if I knew now what I knew then I likely wouldn't be on any. Can't change the past.
Posted by: Californiawitch at April 02, 2020 02:09 PM (2f3yF)
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Out of more than 950,000 cases of coronavirus so far across the globe, over 202,000 people have recovered, while more than 48,000 have died. However, clinicians have pointed out that some COVID-19 survivors have developed acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) -- a severe condition that, for the worst-affected patients, can last for the rest of their lives.
The doyen of medical journals, The Lancet, was one of the first to sound the alarm, publishing a report in February showing that 29 percent of a group of patients in Wuhan whom the researchers tracked between mid-December and early January had got ARDS.
A similar report by the British Faculty of Intensive Care Medicine, published in The Sunday Times on March 15, found that some 17 percent of intensive care patients whose treatments they analysed developed the syndrome. In addition, a few days before the British doctors released their findings, medical researchers in Hong Kong found that, out of a small study of 12 patients who left hospital after recovering from the coronavirus, two or three had diminished lung function.
'The damage you can have is for a lifetime'
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2020 12:07 PM (8fB/R)
The point here of course is that you get a lifetime...
Out of more than 950,000 cases of coronavirus so far across the globe, over 202,000 people have recovered, while more than 48,000 have died. However, clinicians have pointed out that some COVID-19 survivors have developed acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) -- a severe condition that, for the worst-affected patients, can last for the rest of their lives.
The doyen of medical journals, The Lancet, was one of the first to sound the alarm, publishing a report in February showing that 29 percent of a group of patients in Wuhan whom the researchers tracked between mid-December and early January had got ARDS.
A similar report by the British Faculty of Intensive Care Medicine, published in The Sunday Times on March 15, found that some 17 percent of intensive care patients whose treatments they analysed developed the syndrome. In addition, a few days before the British doctors released their findings, medical researchers in Hong Kong found that, out of a small study of 12 patients who left hospital after recovering from the coronavirus, two or three had diminished lung function.
'The damage you can have is for a lifetime'
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2020 12:07 PM (8fB/R)
The point here of course is that you get a lifetime...
Posted by: working_man at April 02, 2020 02:20 PM (HxQiV)
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It's not true you have to be in a coma or paralyzed to use a ventilator.
The fifty-fifty if you are on a ventilator is not because of the ventilator, but because your lungs have deteriorated to the level where you need a ventilator.
The fifty-fifty if you are on a ventilator is not because of the ventilator, but because your lungs have deteriorated to the level where you need a ventilator.
Posted by: MikeN at April 02, 2020 02:41 PM (o/eHL)
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25% of people have already had it and didn't even know it. Mortality rate will be <0.5%
Herd immunity now!
Your odds of survival are based on how much ACE2 is expressed in the lung.
Watch out diabetics, marathon runners, and people on ACE inhibitors.
My 2 cents.
Herd immunity now!
Your odds of survival are based on how much ACE2 is expressed in the lung.
Watch out diabetics, marathon runners, and people on ACE inhibitors.
My 2 cents.
Posted by: Valiant at April 02, 2020 02:56 PM (3MiF8)
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I asked my daughter the nurse about this stuff. As it happens she has taken HCQ for years as a treatment for a chronic condition. Fortunate given her exposure to elderly sick people. She and her paramedic fella have 6 N95 masks they sterilize and rotate using with a handheld UV device. Wow.The national medical stockpile cupboard was bare throughout 7 years of Obama and 3 years of Trump. It is unhelpful to scapegoat either without finding out who the hell wasn't minding the store. If the only person responsible is the CEO of a 2 million workforce then can we lay off the rest of them?
When I thought of the CDC and FDA, I used to think of careful minders of America's health. Now, what comes to mind is words like sclerotic, elephantine, unresponsive.
Posted by: chuckR at April 02, 2020 12:26 PM (bRvKP)
Thousands of years of human history has shown that a bureaucracy is only effective if it is small and/or afraid of losing their position. Once comfortable, they look after themselves over doing their jobs.
I can't think of any exceptions to the rule.
When I thought of the CDC and FDA, I used to think of careful minders of America's health. Now, what comes to mind is words like sclerotic, elephantine, unresponsive.
Posted by: chuckR at April 02, 2020 12:26 PM (bRvKP)
Thousands of years of human history has shown that a bureaucracy is only effective if it is small and/or afraid of losing their position. Once comfortable, they look after themselves over doing their jobs.
I can't think of any exceptions to the rule.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 02, 2020 03:28 PM (eoQWY)
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There are numerous drug plants in the US and worldwide that could quickly start making and packaging HCQ tablets. That's the easy part. The critical supply chain issue is availability of the active ingredient, which is made in separate chemical synthesis plants. It's not easy to start up production of an API in a new plant. Hopefully the established manufacturers of HCQ are not all in China (as is the case for many older drugs) and can scale up their production quickly.
Posted by: Bigsmith at April 02, 2020 03:37 PM (G/mW5)
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When I thought of the CDC and FDA, I used to think of careful minders of America's health. Now, what comes to mind is words like sclerotic, elephantine, unresponsive.
Posted by: chuckR at April 02, 2020 12:26 PM (bRvKP)
Everyone repeat this until you never forget it. Every bureaucracy will eventually reject its initial purpose, and instead focus on gaining political power.
Folks say this here from to time - yet we always seem surprised when another "trusted institution" turns out to be a rotten pile of shit. Learn it and live it - there are no organizations that give a shit about any of us. They give a shit about preserving their own power. And that's it.
Posted by: I Am No One at April 02, 2020 12:37 PM (ddW/y)
In Soviet Russia, they had a second secret police (the GRU) to keep an eye on the first (KGB/NKVD) and vice versa. One could always be used to purge the other if needed.
Posted by: chuckR at April 02, 2020 12:26 PM (bRvKP)
Everyone repeat this until you never forget it. Every bureaucracy will eventually reject its initial purpose, and instead focus on gaining political power.
Folks say this here from to time - yet we always seem surprised when another "trusted institution" turns out to be a rotten pile of shit. Learn it and live it - there are no organizations that give a shit about any of us. They give a shit about preserving their own power. And that's it.
Posted by: I Am No One at April 02, 2020 12:37 PM (ddW/y)
In Soviet Russia, they had a second secret police (the GRU) to keep an eye on the first (KGB/NKVD) and vice versa. One could always be used to purge the other if needed.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 02, 2020 03:45 PM (eoQWY)
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Israel will donate 6 million tablets to hospitals by the end of month and more than 10 million within a month.
Posted by: Cathy at April 02, 2020 04:04 PM (UI9/x)
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You can sure tell this is a senior citizens' site, because of the number of poor old guys who talk about AOC's sad'n'saggies as "perky."
They're supposed to point to where you're going, not mark where you've been.
Ain't hardly no perk to 'em.
They're supposed to point to where you're going, not mark where you've been.
Ain't hardly no perk to 'em.
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at April 02, 2020 04:12 PM (8IOEj)
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Hi ace.
Hope you are doing well.
There’ seems to be a typo in this section:
He says that of the patients he treated, only patients who had been on hydroxychloroquine for two days or less needed intubation. Anyone who was on hydroxychloroquine for five days or more did not need intubation.
He said zero patients getting hydroxycloroquine had to be intubated
Wold you please clarify the stats?
Hope you are doing well.
There’ seems to be a typo in this section:
He says that of the patients he treated, only patients who had been on hydroxychloroquine for two days or less needed intubation. Anyone who was on hydroxychloroquine for five days or more did not need intubation.
He said zero patients getting hydroxycloroquine had to be intubated
Wold you please clarify the stats?
Posted by: Denny Crane! at April 02, 2020 05:39 PM (KpUZP)
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