Saturday Morning Coffee Break

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Yup, I'm f*cking sick and tired of the Kung Flu as you are. Hmmm. Were there any events that occurred this past week which weren't Covid19 related? Let's take a look:


  • I wish he would have gotten the chance to target shoot.

  • Judas Priest we live in stupid, f*cking stupid times.

  • Whatever, it's not Coronavirus shit.

  • Not the brightest bulb in the pack.

  • Never judge a cosplay player but its cover.

  • Move over Father Guido Sarducci

  • Take it from an expert, PJs and a Robe are fine office attire. Home office that is.

  • The f*cking world has been wussified.

    Rules? Open thread, no running with sharp objects, be kind to the 'ettes and play nice with one another.

    Let's enjoy the weekend!!! Have a great weekend!!! Don't let The Man get you down.
    If he does we could try to have a bail raising party.

    Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at 09:00 AM




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    1 6good morning horde

    Posted by: Skip at March 28, 2020 09:01 AM (ZCEU2)

    2 Dutifully called them I did

    Posted by: Skip at March 28, 2020 09:02 AM (ZCEU2)

    3 Bonjour !

    Posted by: runner at March 28, 2020 09:02 AM (zr5Kq)

    4 buongiorno orda

    Posted by: vmom 2020 at March 28, 2020 09:02 AM (G546f)

    5 Good Saturday morning, horde!

    This morning's coffee has a couple of scoops of roasted cacao in it---mmm, chocolate covfefe!

    Posted by: April at March 28, 2020 09:03 AM (OX9vb)

    6 Might be my 6th good morning who knows?

    Posted by: Skip at March 28, 2020 09:03 AM (ZCEU2)

    7 And here we are!

    I believe "firsts" on regularly scheduled threads get only a quarter of the redeemable points that Ace-threat first do at the Horde Gift Shop and Hobo Cafe.

    Is that correct?

    Posted by: Doctors in 1918 at March 28, 2020 09:03 AM (cfSRQ)

    8 Raining pretty good here

    Posted by: Skip at March 28, 2020 09:04 AM (ZCEU2)

    9 Needed that laugh thanks mh

    Posted by: San Franpsycho at March 28, 2020 09:04 AM (EZebt)

    10 Willowed from last thread, since we're talking abut cops - the late, great Dick Curless' "Drag 'Em Off the Interstate, Sock it To 'Em, J.P. Blues:"

    https://tinyurl.com/rz623kz

    Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 28, 2020 09:04 AM (2JVJo)

    11 Oy, "Ace-THREAD" firsts.

    Threatening Ace gets you zero points.

    Posted by: Doctors in 1918 at March 28, 2020 09:04 AM (cfSRQ)

    12 Good morning!

    OK, the haircut story is pretty funny.

    Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 28, 2020 09:04 AM (Xesvh)

    13 Stay calm and Covfefe.

    Posted by: jsg at March 28, 2020 09:04 AM (B95HO)

    14 Begone ancient medical sock!

    Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2020 09:05 AM (cfSRQ)

    15 Whatever, it's not Coronavirus shit.

    Yeah, no. When I read "unlike our current delusionary in chief," I'll bail. I have better things to do with my morning than put up with some asshole's TDS.

    Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 28, 2020 09:06 AM (2JVJo)

    16 Thunder and lightning at 9AM always seemed surreal to me.

    Posted by: jsg at March 28, 2020 09:06 AM (B95HO)

    17 Went to town yesterday for a scheduled Dr. appointment....more traffic than NYC.

    Posted by: BignJames at March 28, 2020 09:06 AM (X/Pw5)

    18 Not enuf COFFEE in the HIGH FUNG KU boss.

    Posted by: saf at March 28, 2020 09:06 AM (5IHGB)

    19 Moar Coffee sounds like a good start!

    Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 28, 2020 09:06 AM (BiNEL)

    20 1 6good morning horde
    Posted by: Skip at March 28, 2020 09:01 AM (ZCEU2)

    Typo. Disqualified. The prize goes to the person posting comment no. 2.

    Posted by: m at March 28, 2020 09:06 AM (KXX3K)

    21 Good Morning, Horde.

    Posted by: CN at March 28, 2020 09:06 AM (ONvIw)

    22 13 Stay calm and Covfefe.
    Posted by: jsg at March 28, 2020 09:04 AM (B95HO)

    That would be great if PDT twitted that.

    Posted by: m at March 28, 2020 09:07 AM (KXX3K)

    23 hiya

    Posted by: JT at March 28, 2020 09:07 AM (arJlL)

    24 9 Needed that laugh thanks mh
    Posted by: San Franpsycho at March 28, 2020 09:04 AM (EZebt)


    Which one Buddy?

    Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 28, 2020 09:07 AM (aA3+G)

    25 Had coffee dos
    Now a bit of oatmeal

    Posted by: rhennigantx at March 28, 2020 09:07 AM (JFO2v)

    26 Cosplay is a strange place.

    Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 28, 2020 09:08 AM (O4024)

    27 Thunder and lightning at 9AM always seemed surreal to me.

    It is very, very frightening.

    Posted by: Galileo at March 28, 2020 09:08 AM (2JVJo)

    28 My place smells like coffee and bacon and maple syrup.

    There should be a Yankee Candle for that.

    Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 28, 2020 09:08 AM (Dc2NZ)

    29 So I need to write tonight's ONT

    I am so f*cking sick and tired of nothing but virus shit even in the sites that normally don't cover current affairs.

    Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 28, 2020 09:08 AM (aA3+G)

    30 Which one Buddy?
    Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 28, 2020 09:07 AM (aA3+G)

    Yes

    Posted by: April at March 28, 2020 09:08 AM (OX9vb)

    31 *grabs scissors*
    *runs*

    Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at March 28, 2020 09:08 AM (NWiLs)

    32 Willowed:

    In 1918, people died of all sorts of things that we

    don't worry about. Bacterial infections were often deadly, a cut on the

    hand or foot could spell doom. There was no effective treatment for TB,

    and childhood diseases took a bigger toll, including scarlet fever.





    A hundred years ago, deaths among the "otherwise healthy" were generally less of a shock


    Posted by: CN at March 28, 2020 08:57 AM
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    Correct.
    This "if it saves one life" garbage has got to stop. Yes people are
    going to die from this disease. Most of them would have died within a
    few months anyway even without the disease according to the famous
    Doctor in the UK.

    But is "saving one life" worth it while intentionally destroying the World's economy?

    As
    at at risk person, I don't think it's worth plunging the World into a
    deep depression that may last years. I will take my chances.





    Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at March 28, 2020 09:07 AM

    Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at March 28, 2020 09:08 AM (JUOKG)

    33 Had coffee dos
    Now a bit of oatmeal
    Posted by: rhennigantx at March 28, 2020 09:07 AM (JFO2v)


    Made instant oatmeal with coffee once. It was one of those things that sounds a lot better in your head.

    Posted by: hogmartin at March 28, 2020 09:09 AM (t+qrx)

    34 Think it's a Lowes morning.

    Gonna get paint and supplies to do the mud room.

    Forward, comrades.

    Posted by: jsg at March 28, 2020 09:09 AM (B95HO)

    35
    I social justice separated and still feel Dirty.

    Posted by: saf at March 28, 2020 09:09 AM (5IHGB)

    36 Good morning! I'm pulling all the taps and buckets today. Cleaning the evaporator tomorrow. I have about 5 more gallons of syrup to bottle at some point as well.

    Posted by: Muad'dib at March 28, 2020 09:09 AM (/bKbU)

    37 It rained so hard here for a while last night, the sound on rain crashing on the roof woke me up...

    And I live in Mom's basement!

    Posted by: Basement NPC at March 28, 2020 09:10 AM (BiNEL)

    38 "Gonna get paint and supplies to do the mud room. "

    Maybe just a five gallon bucket of mud?

    Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 28, 2020 09:10 AM (O4024)

    39 *smooshes MisHum*

    Make it about pop culture and music. People can riff on that shit forever.

    Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 28, 2020 09:10 AM (Dc2NZ)

    40 You guys, I read somewhere that now, because of schedule changes, having more time to sleep, people are having different dream patterns, seeing their dreams. Remembering them. I have experienced it! I rarely remember my dreams. But, the one from last night - I am on a train I think, talking to some lady, and then she tells me she is on, get this, Zero Hedge and gives me her screen name. And then I wake up ! WTH ??!! I don't remember what she was telling me before she told me about Zero Hedge. So don't ask.

    Posted by: runner at March 28, 2020 09:10 AM (zr5Kq)

    41 Think I'll go out and yell at the clouds for a bit

    Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at March 28, 2020 09:10 AM (8JqLB)

    42 Oh, MisHum, also interservice pot shots.

    Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 28, 2020 09:11 AM (Dc2NZ)

    43 It is very, very frightening.
    Posted by: Galileo at March 28, 2020 09:08 AM (2JVJo)

    No no no no no

    Posted by: Beelzebub at March 28, 2020 09:11 AM (B95HO)

    44 Good morning! I'm pulling all the taps and buckets today. Cleaning the evaporator tomorrow. I have about 5 more gallons of syrup to bottle at some point as well.
    Posted by: Muad'dib

    Keep up the good work !

    Posted by: JT at March 28, 2020 09:12 AM (arJlL)

    45 I am so f*cking sick and tired of nothing but virus shit even in the sites that normally don't cover current affairs.

    Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 28, 2020 09:08 AM (aA3+G)


    I have an idea, why don't you do a musical thread about great contemporary artists?

    Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 28, 2020 09:12 AM (BiNEL)

    46 *smooshes MisHum*

    Make it about pop culture and music. People can riff on that shit forever.
    Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 28, 2020 09:10 AM (Dc2NZ)


    **waves to Eris**

    So, this Trek uniform you're making - original series, The Motion Picture, Wrath of Khan, Next Generation, reboot or what?

    Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 28, 2020 09:13 AM (2JVJo)

    47 Willowed...

    388 This is serious stuff.

    Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2020 08:41 AM

    Seasonal flu, going by the low end estimate of 20,000 USA deaths is an average of 55 deaths per day.

    H1N1, with 60,000 estimated dead over the course of April '09 to April '10 is an average of 164 deaths per day.

    So I take it you are suggesting we stay in this 'stay-at-home' situation for the rest of time?

    While we're at it, let's start banning foods and activities that lead to deaths from heart disease (610,000 USA deaths per year, 1,671 deaths per day). And when some health study comes out showing some link between some food or drink and cancer, well, time to ban it to prevent those deaths.

    Exactly how far are you willing to keep liberty and freedom from people in this country to try to prevent people from dying?

    Posted by: Clyde Shelton at March 28, 2020 09:01 AM

    Posted by: Clyde Shelton at March 28, 2020 09:14 AM (Do5/p)

    48 This is a an article about someone who sounds like a decent (as in nice guy) actor-Jesse Eisenberg-who played creepy Mark Zuckerberg in "Social Media". He passes on seeing almost all of his movies. He's apparently also in one about the French mime Marcel Marceau. The movie is called "Resistance". There is a great quote in this article by Eisenberg about why he stays off social media:

    https://tinyurl.com/ug99wge

    Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 28, 2020 09:14 AM (WI7YS)

    49 Thunderstorm with hail woke up at 4:15 so Imade coffee and experienced the storm in comfort. More storms and possibly twisters afternoon and evening, big winds too. I enjoy storms, but without twister.

    Best wishes to all.

    Posted by: parker at March 28, 2020 09:14 AM (LN9tx)

    50 Good morning! I'm pulling all the taps and buckets today. Cleaning the evaporator tomorrow.
    Posted by: Muad'dib at March 28, 2020 09:09 AM (/bKbU)


    That sounds like a really sticky job.

    Posted by: hogmartin at March 28, 2020 09:14 AM (t+qrx)

    51 20 1 6good morning horde
    Posted by: Skip at March 28, 2020 09:01 AM (ZCEU2)

    Typo. Disqualified. The prize goes to the person posting comment no. 2.

    Posted by: m at March 28, 2020 09:06 AM (KXX3K)


    If we don't have standards, then we are little better than the animals!

    Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 28, 2020 09:14 AM (BiNEL)

    52 To continue my line of thought:

    It is possible for something to be both serious and over-hyped.

    It is also possible to choose disproportionate measures for a serious threat.

    What I take objection to is trivializing the threat by comparing it to dissimilar events.

    The H1N1 flu was *not* handled correctly. I think we agree on that. It was not a "best practices" situation. So holding that up as "hey we lived through it," isn't a powerful argument.

    Similarly, pointing out things like automotive deaths is also missing the point. Those fall in a very predictable range and when they spike, people notice. If a state had 90 additional road deaths over a two week periods with enough injured to close hospitals, people would not shrug it off.

    The difficulty here is that the unknown unknowns have such a deadly upside, it's hard to know what is appropriate.

    A disease that is spread by casual contact can only be contained via immunity or separation. We don't know how or even if to generate immunity, so separation is the imprecise tool we have left.

    We must then question, how, where and for how long to employ it.

    But that's a much more complex argument and probably less satisfying than calling people concern trolls.

    Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2020 09:14 AM (cfSRQ)

    53 Fresh Coffee smell

    Posted by: FrodoB, because at March 28, 2020 09:15 AM (dQF3z)

    54 I have an idea, why don't you do a musical thread about great contemporary artists?

    Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 28, 2020 09:12 AM (BiNEL)

    Hmmm....rappers too?

    Posted by: BignJames at March 28, 2020 09:15 AM (X/Pw5)

    55 Maybe just a five gallon bucket of mud?
    Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 28, 2020 09:10 AM (O4024)

    I already get that whenever the boy walks in. I look at the bottom of his shoes and the amout of crap they drag in and wonder, How is this possible ?

    Posted by: jsg at March 28, 2020 09:15 AM (B95HO)

    56 We start discouting typos the comments will be halved, and said might be my 6th good morning, been logged in since 4am.

    Posted by: Skip at March 28, 2020 09:15 AM (ZCEU2)

    57 31 *grabs scissors*
    *runs*
    Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at March 28, 2020 09:08 AM (NWiLs)

    more truthful than the book running with scissors

    Posted by: rhennigantx at March 28, 2020 09:15 AM (JFO2v)

    58

    This COFEFVE Novel consumption is GONNA KILL US ALL..it is a PUNDEMIC and is bacon us all FEEL GOOD, we can't have that................Ban Hammer on the beans................

    Posted by: saf at March 28, 2020 09:16 AM (5IHGB)

    59 "People are cutting their own hair during lockdown - and it's not going well"



    I warned you people. Just let it grow.

    Posted by: runner at March 28, 2020 09:16 AM (zr5Kq)

    60 Oh wait, I had comment 2, and that was AFTER announcing nood not piling on comments.

    Posted by: Skip at March 28, 2020 09:17 AM (ZCEU2)

    61 28 My place smells like coffee and bacon and maple syrup.

    There should be a Yankee Candle for that.
    Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 28, 2020 09:08 AM (Dc2NZ)


    Ill get right on that

    Posted by: Gwenyeth Paltrow at March 28, 2020 09:18 AM (aA3+G)

    62 And to think saf made fun of me after mentioning I had my hair cut just before the shutdown.
    We will see who laughs last.

    Posted by: Skip at March 28, 2020 09:18 AM (ZCEU2)

    63 We will be made to care. About covid.

    Posted by: I Am No One at March 28, 2020 09:19 AM (pQplJ)

    64 Exactly how far are you willing to keep liberty and freedom from people in this country to try to prevent people from dying?
    Posted by: Clyde Shelton at March 28, 2020 09:14 AM (Do5/p)
    *

    Let's start by banning private ownership of vehicles that cause roughly 100 deaths per day and have done so for the last couple of decades.

    *Actually comrade, it is amazing to me that the default setting is to automatically believe the experts who always seem to make up theories and data extrapolations, it is never to question their assumptions!

    Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 28, 2020 09:19 AM (BiNEL)

    65 45 I am so f*cking sick and tired of nothing but virus shit even in the sites that normally don't cover current affairs.

    Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 28, 2020 09:08 AM (aA3+G)

    I have an idea, why don't you do a musical thread about great contemporary artists?
    Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 28, 2020 09:12 AM (BiNEL)


    Nice, Listener sponsored content............

    Posted by: Gwenyeth Paltrow at March 28, 2020 09:19 AM (aA3+G)

    66 Willowed again!!

    403 376 Amorica is a good album.
    Posted by: Cosmic Charlie


    The unedited picture on the cover was,,uh,,hirstute. You're right though, good album. The Black Crowes were solid.
    Posted by: Puddleglum

    Posted by: Puddleglum at March 28, 2020 09:19 AM (MVR7y)

    67 Off ucky sock

    Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 28, 2020 09:20 AM (aA3+G)

    68 59 "People are cutting their own hair during lockdown - and it's not going well"



    I warned you people. Just let it grow.
    Posted by: runner at March 28, 2020 09:16 AM (zr5Kq)

    I wish I had gotten mine cut. Might have to look into a flowbee.

    Posted by: jsg at March 28, 2020 09:20 AM (B95HO)

    69 lol the livestreamed priest
    God bless him and his flock

    Posted by: vmom 2020 at March 28, 2020 09:20 AM (G546f)

    70 But is "saving one life" worth it while intentionally destroying the World's economy?

    As
    at at risk person, I don't think it's worth plunging the World into a

    deep depression that may last years. I will take my chances.

    Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at March 28, 2020 09:07 AM

    ---
    It isn't about "saving one life," though, is it?

    No one is saying that. It's a straw man.

    The question is how to save as many lives as possible.

    Indeed, the really hard part is that we don't know how many lives are at risk. We think we know, but the data is all over the place.

    Going on what we have so far is like driving while looking exclusively at your rear-view mirror. You assume the trend lines will stay the same, but they're jumping all over the place.

    The disease takes about 14 days to manifest. That means that if you do a shut down today, you won't know how many people were already infected for two weeks. Aggressive testing can help, but that also takes time.

    On the flip side, this means that if the 14 days show zero stability, it didn't work and the focus should shift to treatment rather than isolation. I think that's what people are looking at.

    But this was never about "saving one life."

    Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2020 09:20 AM (cfSRQ)

    71 64 Exactly how far are you willing to keep liberty and freedom from people in this country to try to prevent people from dying?
    Posted by: Clyde Shelton at March 28, 2020 09:14 AM (Do5/p) *

    Let's start by banning private ownership of vehicles that cause roughly 100 deaths per day and have done so for the last couple of decades.

    *Actually comrade, it is amazing to me that the default setting is to automatically believe the experts who always seem to make up theories and data extrapolations, it is never to question their assumptions!
    Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 28, 2020 09:19 AM (BiNEL)

    Accidents happen within 5 miles of home. So we have UPS just move peoples home address by 5 miles!

    Posted by: rhennigantx at March 28, 2020 09:20 AM (JFO2v)

    72 OK, the haircut story is pretty funny.
    Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 28, 2020 09:04 AM (Xesvh)


    I just bought myself a gift card from my barber. I hope they're around to honor it.

    Posted by: hogmartin at March 28, 2020 09:21 AM (t+qrx)

    73 What is a Yankee Candle? Sounds kinky.

    Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at March 28, 2020 09:21 AM (PUmDY)

    74 It is very, very frightening.--
    Thunderstruck

    Posted by: FrodoB, because at March 28, 2020 09:22 AM (dQF3z)

    75 59 "People are cutting their own hair during lockdown - and it's not going well"



    I warned you people. Just let it grow.
    Posted by: runner at March 28, 2020 09:16 AM (zr5Kq)

    NFL owner having to do their own rub and tugs.
    Rappers having to shoot themselves.

    very bad!

    Posted by: rhennigantx at March 28, 2020 09:22 AM (JFO2v)

    76 The Covid is coming !!! The Covid is coming !!!

    Posted by: Paul Revere of Covid at March 28, 2020 09:23 AM (pQplJ)

    77 Coronavirus: Can you still have sex while self-isolating or social-distancing?


    Professor Hunter says that if you're in a monogamous relationship and
    live with your partner you can carry on as normal



    dammit

    Posted by: married men everywhere at March 28, 2020 09:23 AM (mw1Wz)

    78 73 What is a Yankee Candle? Sounds kinky.
    Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at March 28, 2020 09:21 AM (PUmDY)

    When your dick burns after 6 ft social distancing sex.

    Posted by: rhennigantx at March 28, 2020 09:23 AM (JFO2v)

    79 If the thunder don't get you, the lightning will.

    Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at March 28, 2020 09:23 AM (PUmDY)

    80 Finally stooped raining here but the ground has returned to swamp mode. So no tractor work till I get two sunny days at least.

    Guess I can put my Ark plans away. For now.

    Posted by: Big V Caffeinated at March 28, 2020 09:24 AM (XEC2p)

    81 Someone at work mentioned the dude with the tigers.

    I think I'll pass on homos and kitty kats ruining my weekend.

    Posted by: jsg at March 28, 2020 09:25 AM (B95HO)

    82 Who is going to see you anyway ? Leave it be.

    Posted by: runner at March 28, 2020 09:25 AM (zr5Kq)

    83 Willowed again!!

    403 376 Amorica is a good album.
    Posted by: Cosmic Charlie


    The unedited picture on the cover was,,uh,,hirstute. You're right though, good album. The Black Crowes were solid.
    Posted by: Puddleglum
    Posted by: Puddleglum at March 28, 2020 09:19 AM (MVR7y)


    That made me think of Roxy Music's Country Life:

    https://tinyurl.com/wplks5r

    Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 28, 2020 09:26 AM (2JVJo)

    84 Thunder - Imagine Dragons
    https://youtu.be/fKopy74weus

    Posted by: Skip at March 28, 2020 09:26 AM (ZCEU2)

    85 Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2020 09:14 AM (cfSRQ)

    on a similar note

    As one can see .these days, it really is very hard to use logic (numbers) to argue people out of a position they arrived at through emotion (fear)

    Changing fearful minds en masse is a leadership skill, and I think Trump is doing a good job so far

    Posted by: vmom 2020 at March 28, 2020 09:27 AM (G546f)

    86 Welp, last nite I posted about weather forecasting models that were predicting an apocalyptic tornado outbreak in central and northern IL.... this morning those model runs have backed off significantly, although they are still predicting supercell thunderstorms capable of producing tornadoes, damaging winds and gigantic hail. So keep an eye to the sky today IL Morons....

    Posted by: Secret Square at March 28, 2020 09:28 AM (9WuX0)

    87 We must then question, how, where and for how long to employ it.

    But that's a much more complex argument and probably less satisfying than calling people concern trolls.

    Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2020 09:14 AM

    My stance is that government should not deprive people of freedom and liberty.

    Because of the actions taken here over what is amounting to the same as a bad flu season --- H1N1 was not the same, as it was disproportionately affecting the young and healthy --- precedent has now been set to where totalitarian Presidents and Governors can take away liberty for whatever they deem an emergency.

    As I asked before, are you in favor of these measures for the 600,000 killed every year for heart disease? Are you in favor of banning foods and drinks like Cuomo and the Left does to protect people from themselves? How about all those studies which show connections between certain foods or drinks and cancer? Should we immediately ban them to protect people from themselves?

    In my opinion, the totalitarian actions being taken by my Governor Whitmer and other Democrat Governors are being taken, because like all totalitarians they don't trust people with freedom and liberty. Their instinct is to take control and ban things or tax things (food, drink, cigarettes, vaping, freedom, liberty).

    So, in my opinion, we are not fighting back against this enough. These Governors should know that We, the People, are NOT going to accept these totalitarian actions.

    But there are far too many people making the argument that instead of having faith in the American people to act responsibly, the right thing to do is to take away their freedom and liberty.

    Posted by: Clyde Shelton at March 28, 2020 09:28 AM (Do5/p)

    88 I warned you people. Just let it grow.

    Posted by: runner at March 28, 2020 09:16 AM (zr5Kq)

    speaking words of wisdom
    let it grow

    Posted by: vmom 2020 at March 28, 2020 09:28 AM (G546f)

    89 So, I ought to write today, but I've got this gnawing depression. I's sure part of it is being "confined," (though MA has not issued a shelter in place order) and I'm sure part of it is the steady drumbeat of bad news plus my usual internal cocktail of bile and hatred, but it seems to be overwhelming lately.

    I just look at my notebook, ponder for a while and then wander off, which only makes me feel worse.

    I just brewed a second cup of tea. I think when I finish it I'll take a little walk and then settle in and watch Cleopatra. Maybe I can write tomorrow after the book thread.

    Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 28, 2020 09:30 AM (2JVJo)

    90 last nite I posted about weather forecasting models


    Were they Mexican? The Mexican ones are caliente.

    Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 28, 2020 09:30 AM (gd9RK)

    91 I'm running out of supplies. It was sure nice having Hobby Lobby just a mile away. I hate ordering that stuff online. This stay at home crap is for the birds.

    Posted by: Jewells45 at March 28, 2020 09:30 AM (dUJdY)

    92

    A Yankee Candle ..I don't no what it is but it's a Doodle Dandy going in..............

    G Paltrow INC.

    Posted by: saf at March 28, 2020 09:30 AM (5IHGB)

    93 We must then question, how, where and for how long to employ it.
    But that's a much more complex argument and probably less satisfying than calling people concern trolls.
    Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2020 09:14 AM (cfSRQ)


    I agree that auto statistics cannot be a one for one comparison to a contagious disease, yet they do illustrate the concept of a roughly constant "background" death rate which society has obviously deemed acceptable. That same concept also applies to death rate by age, diabetes, heart problems, etc.

    The initial epidemic data is NEVER binned in this manner, so the automatic assumption is that we are all gonna die based on statistics accumulated on people that did indeed die and had the "disease" (but may have also had many other health factors that could have contributed to each of those deaths.)

    The key problem is that we want to expect competence and honesty in the public officials that should have an understanding of this, but who almost always fail us at their "One Job".

    Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 28, 2020 09:30 AM (BiNEL)

    94 Apparently, they're releasing people from Rikkers Island prison in N.Y. because of the virus. One woman there,, Viktoryia Nasyrova, is in the infirmary and sahe says nobody is there to clean properly. She's afraid they're all going to drop dead there and they're all scared. There is some black humor (I guess I'm not a nice person) in the fact, that Ms. Nasyroya is described as a "Russian born dominatrix who allegedly tried to kill a Queens woman with a slice of poisoned cheesecake."

    Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 28, 2020 09:30 AM (WI7YS)

    95 88 I warned you people. Just let it grow.

    Posted by: runner at March 28, 2020 09:16 AM (zr5Kq)

    speaking words of wisdom
    let it grow
    Posted by: vmom 2020 at March 28, 2020 09:28 AM (G546f)

    Let it go, let it go
    Can't hold it back anymore
    Let it go, let it go
    Turn away and slam the door

    Posted by: m at March 28, 2020 09:30 AM (KXX3K)

    96 87 We must then question, how, where and for how long to employ it.

    But that's a much more complex argument and probably less satisfying than calling people concern trolls.

    Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2020 09:14 AM

    My stance is that government should not deprive people of freedom and liberty.

    Because of the actions taken here over what is amounting to the same as a bad flu season --- H1N1 was not the same, as it was disproportionately affecting the young and healthy --- precedent has now been set to where totalitarian Presidents and Governors can take away liberty for whatever they deem an emergency.

    As I asked before, are you in favor of these measures for the 600,000 killed every year for heart disease? Are you in favor of banning foods and drinks like Cuomo and the Left does to protect people from themselves? How about all those studies which show connections between certain foods or drinks and cancer? Should we immediately ban them to protect people from themselves?

    In my opinion, the totalitarian actions being taken by my Governor Whitmer and other Democrat Governors are being taken, because like all totalitarians they don't trust people with freedom and liberty. Their instinct is to take control and ban things or tax things (food, drink, cigarettes, vaping, freedom, liberty).

    So, in my opinion, we are not fighting back against this enough. These Governors should know that We, the People, are NOT going to accept these totalitarian actions.

    But there are far too many people making the argument that instead of having faith in the American people to act responsibly, the right thing to do is to take away their freedom and liberty.
    Posted by: Clyde Shelton at March 28, 2020 09:28 AM (Do5/p)

    About 70% of black women are obese. Where are the rules?

    Posted by: rhennigantx at March 28, 2020 09:31 AM (JFO2v)

    97 go-->grow

    Posted by: m at March 28, 2020 09:31 AM (KXX3K)

    98 Here's an odd confession - I've listened to a few songs from "Joe Exotic" (aka The Tiger King) and I actually think his music is better than most anything anyone else has done in country for the last few years.

    Posted by: Tom Servo at March 28, 2020 09:31 AM (V2Yro)

    99 Hair, hair
    Long beautiful hair
    Waxen, flaxen,



    ah I forget the rest

    Posted by: Skip at March 28, 2020 09:31 AM (ZCEU2)

    100 Just let it grow? My hair is already starting to look like a grey version of an 80s hair band.

    Posted by: Big V Caffeinated at March 28, 2020 09:31 AM (XEC2p)

    101 Mis Hum, do you ever sleep?

    Posted by: Kemp at March 28, 2020 09:31 AM (byLIL)

    102 then settle in and watch Cleopatra

    Almost naked young Liz Taylor. So tantalizing, so close, so almost!

    Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 28, 2020 09:32 AM (gd9RK)

    103 I've been cutting my own hair and trimming my beard for years. It isn't hard. Mirror, scissors and a little care.
    Yes, it can look goofy at times, (pro tip, do your drinking after the cutting.) But I also don't try to do anything than look neat and somewhat, civilized.

    Posted by: Winston a dreg of society at March 28, 2020 09:32 AM (TYQsd)

    104 So, this Trek uniform you're making - original series, The Motion Picture, Wrath of Khan, Next Generation, reboot or what?
    Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 28, 2020 09:13 AM (2JVJo)
    ---
    This is a rumor started by Anna Puma.

    But if I did, it would be TOS Mirror Universe.

    Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 28, 2020 09:32 AM (Dc2NZ)

    105 88 I warned you people. Just let it grow.

    Posted by: runner at March 28, 2020 09:16 AM (zr5Kq)

    speaking words of wisdom
    let it grow
    Posted by: vmom 2020 at March 28, 2020 09:28 AM (G546f)

    Let it grow, let it grow
    Can't hold it back anymore
    Let it grow, let it grow
    Turn away and slam the door

    Posted by: m at March 28, 2020 09:32 AM (KXX3K)

    106 MP4, will it help if you write a character inspired by youtube Victorian gal?

    Posted by: vmom 2020 at March 28, 2020 09:33 AM (G546f)

    107 precedent has now been set to where totalitarian Presidents and
    Governors can take away liberty for whatever they deem an emergency.


    Agree, Clyde.

    I have been asking myself: what if Obama had done this?


    I don't like my answers.



    Posted by: deplorable unperson - sanitized for your protection at March 28, 2020 09:33 AM (mw1Wz)

    108 RUFKM!
    https://tinyurl.com/u4kq2a2
    My former state of RI has gone full hob nail boot.
    Where's jackstraw when we need him?

    Posted by: RI Red at March 28, 2020 09:33 AM (p/KmR)

    109 Cleopatra has a really good soundtrack.

    Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at March 28, 2020 09:33 AM (3DZIZ)

    110 There once was a man from Nantucket
    Virus killed 'im

    Posted by: klaftern at March 28, 2020 09:33 AM (RuIsu)

    111 Runner - my dreams have been vivid, and unsettling, for at least a week now. Haven't changed my sleep patterns; but I've been getting out of bed at about 6 each morning so i don't have to put up with them anymore.

    Posted by: Tom Servo at March 28, 2020 09:34 AM (V2Yro)

    112 Time to bring back the buzz cut.

    Safe, sanitary and anyone can do it.

    More coffee.

    Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 28, 2020 09:34 AM (Z+IKu)

    113 Because there are other people I would feel more sympathy for-even people at Rikkers Island- than a dominatrix who wanted to kill someone with a slice of poisoned cheesecake. It might be because I like cheesecake.

    Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 28, 2020 09:34 AM (WI7YS)

    114 MisHum, maybe you could do a post on great songs PDT could use for his entrance at rallies in this age of coronavirus.

    Posted by: m at March 28, 2020 09:34 AM (KXX3K)

    115 Cutting own hair is funny.

    Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at March 28, 2020 09:34 AM (PUmDY)

    116 Cass Sunstein Feb 28
    Cognitive Bias Makes Us Panic over Kung Flu

    Cass Sunstein Mar 26
    Numbers Show We Cannot Be TOO Careful

    Posted by: rhennigantx at March 28, 2020 09:34 AM (JFO2v)

    117 Waffles this morning from betty crockers cookbook. Yummy

    Posted by: Madxmom at March 28, 2020 09:34 AM (zsbVl)

    118 112 Time to bring back the buzz cut.

    Safe, sanitary and anyone can do it.

    More coffee.
    Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 28, 2020 09:34 AM (Z+IKu)

    Some people don't have nicely shaped heads, however.

    Posted by: m at March 28, 2020 09:34 AM (KXX3K)

    119 Planning on next solo miniature game of Gross Jagersdorf 1757 but need 1/2 my game board to show woods so need green poster board. Michael's is closed, Target is open but not sure if they have it.

    Posted by: Skip at March 28, 2020 09:35 AM (ZCEU2)

    120 I just brewed a second cup of tea. I think when I finish it I'll take a little walk and then settle in and watch Cleopatra. Maybe I can write tomorrow after the book thread.
    Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 28, 2020 09:30 AM (2JVJo)
    ---
    I don't know why this movie got so much flack for being wasteful. It was very expensive but you saw every dollar up on screen.

    The procession into Rome is worth every penny:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB5Wv8IHVf0

    Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 28, 2020 09:35 AM (Dc2NZ)

    121 59 "People are cutting their own hair during lockdown - and it's not going well"



    I warned you people. Just let it grow.
    ________________

    Just don't pin it up into a soy-boy bun. Please. For the love of all that is holy.

    The last thing this country needs now is more people walking around looking like idiots.

    Posted by: TrivialPursuer at March 28, 2020 09:35 AM (k4dH2)

    122 108 RUFKM!
    https://tinyurl.com/u4kq2a2
    My former state of RI has gone full hob nail boot.
    Where's jackstraw when we need him?
    Posted by: RI Red at March 28, 2020 09:33 AM (p/KmR)

    This seems like sound policy, virus or no virus.

    Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at March 28, 2020 09:35 AM (NWiLs)

    123 Nope, I'm letting the beard go feral. Just shave my neck because of itching.

    I'm going to come out of this looking like a grey Viking.

    Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 28, 2020 09:35 AM (gd9RK)

    124 So, this Trek uniform you're making - original series, The Motion Picture, Wrath of Khan, Next Generation, reboot or what?
    Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 28, 2020 09:13 AM (2JVJo)
    ---
    This is a rumor started by Anna Puma.

    But if I did, it would be TOS Mirror Universe.
    Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 28, 2020 09:32 AM (Dc2NZ)


    **deep sigh**

    Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 28, 2020 09:35 AM (2JVJo)

    125 You know what will definitely kill the fuck out of a lot of people?

    Economic collapse and poverty.

    Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at March 28, 2020 09:35 AM (3DZIZ)

    126 112 Time to bring back the buzz cut.

    Safe, sanitary and anyone can do it.

    More coffee.
    Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 28, 2020 09:34 AM (Z+IKu)

    Can you self brazilian wax? It would take a steady hand and nerves of steel! And a tongue depressor to bite down on!

    Posted by: rhennigantx at March 28, 2020 09:36 AM (JFO2v)

    127 I cut my own hair.

    Down there.

    What ? I heard you liked me !

    Posted by: Joe Biden at March 28, 2020 09:36 AM (B95HO)

    128 I got the idea about "new Trump rally songs" here, on the previous thread:

    289 You know how the Trump rallys do the Rolling Stones song as the walk-out-of-the-arena mood piece?

    Well, here is what it ought to be, for his Wuhan Fluvan pressers, we bring you Jason Mraz, live from Darrel Hall's place in London:

    I WON"T GIVE UP https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGY8BQ5N9wA&loop=0

    Standard tuning on your guitar. G D G D G D Bm A You''ll figure it out.
    Posted by: Les Kinetic at March 28, 2020 08:31 AM (+fPHo)

    Posted by: m at March 28, 2020 09:37 AM (KXX3K)

    129 The Left wants you sick, enslaved or dead. Just a reminder.

    Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at March 28, 2020 09:37 AM (H8QX8)

    130 Agree, Clyde.
    I have been asking myself: what if Obama had done this?
    I don't like my answers.
    Posted by: deplorable unperson - sanitized for your protection at March 28, 2020 09:33 AM (mw1Wz)


    The last thing I expected to happen during a Trump Presidency was a test run of martial law.

    You can bet there is now a new Appendix being written for inclusion in the Socialist Progressive Handbook update.

    Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 28, 2020 09:37 AM (BiNEL)

    131 News Flash : BRAZILLIONS suffering from Hairy Muffs Syndrome.


    something fishy going on.........................

    Posted by: saf at March 28, 2020 09:38 AM (5IHGB)

    132 Sniffing my own hair

    Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at March 28, 2020 09:38 AM (PUmDY)

    133 78 73 What is a Yankee Candle? Sounds kinky.
    Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at March 28, 2020 09:21 AM (PUmDY)

    When your dick burns after 6 ft social distancing sex.
    Posted by: rhennigantx at March 28, 2020 09:23 AM (JFO2v)


    New meaning to Why Does It Hurt When I Pee.

    Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 28, 2020 09:38 AM (aA3+G)

    134 As I asked before, are you in favor of these
    measures for the 600,000 killed every year for heart disease? Are you
    in favor of banning foods and drinks like Cuomo and the Left does to
    protect people from themselves? How about all those studies which show
    connections between certain foods or drinks and cancer? Should we
    immediately ban them to protect people from themselves?




    Posted by: Clyde Shelton at March 28, 2020 09:28 AM (Do5/p)

    ---
    All of the things you cited are known risks, and therefore irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

    As to your larger question about liberty, throughout history people have had to subordinate the individual in order to save the larger group.

    People bring up WW II, and it's a good example. Ten percent of the population was put into compulsory military service.

    Everything was rationed - food, clothing, gasoline. Whole sectors of the economy were commandeered.

    Was that extreme?

    What about laws regarding sanitation? Is California doing the right thing regarding defecation in the public streets?

    The fact is that public health in an epidemic can't be settled on an individual basis.

    The question is figuring out how to curb the spread. Telling folks to take a couple of weeks off may be ineffective at halting the spread of disease, but it is also very different from shutting down all economic activity forever.

    In fact, we have disruptions like that all the time, such as hurricanes, blizzards, etc. It's called being resilient. We've gotten very complacent to think that a fortnight of slowed activity equals global doom.

    Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2020 09:39 AM (cfSRQ)

    135 I guess we know tonight's musical selection.

    Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 28, 2020 09:39 AM (Dc2NZ)

    136 Almost naked young Liz Taylor. So tantalizing, so close, so almost!
    Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 28, 2020 09:32 AM (gd9RK)


    Yeah, I think today might be "epic" day. Follow up Taylor with The Ten Commandments for a slinky Anne Baxter and sloe-eyed Yvonne De Carlo.

    Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 28, 2020 09:39 AM (2JVJo)

    137 123 Nope, I'm letting the beard go feral. Just shave my neck because of itching.

    I'm going to come out of this looking like a grey Viking.
    Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 28, 2020 09:35 AM (gd9RK)


    The first robbins are days away.
    Then it's time to shave..............
    Until the first frost.

    And living here in the Frozen Tundra that could be a 2 week window.

    Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 28, 2020 09:40 AM (aA3+G)

    138 The last thing this country needs now is more people walking around looking like idiots.
    Where.
    In THE hell.
    Do you think
    you are?

    Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at March 28, 2020 09:40 AM (8IOEj)

    139 How much spendy Scotch etc. went into the making of Cleopatra? Probably cause a world-wide shortage of the good stuff. Lawrence of Arabia, too.

    Posted by: klaftern at March 28, 2020 09:40 AM (RuIsu)

    140 Where's jackstraw when we need him?
    Posted by: RI Red at March 28, 2020 09:33 AM (p/KmR)
    ~~~~~

    I think that's him on the Jamestown Bridge. He's the peg-legged guy with the eye patch, wielding his cutlass at the invaders.

    Posted by: IrishEi at March 28, 2020 09:41 AM (sGotD)

    141 131 News Flash : BRAZILLIONS suffering from Hairy Muffs Syndrome.


    something fishy going on.........................
    Posted by: saf at March 28, 2020 09:38 AM (5IHGB)

    ha!

    Posted by: rhennigantx at March 28, 2020 09:41 AM (JFO2v)

    142 I have been asking myself: what if Obama had done this?

    I don't like my answers.

    Posted by: deplorable unperson - sanitized for your protection at March 28, 2020 09:33 AM

    I am still surprised people have been so supportive of President Trump and his team through this.

    Sure, he has not himself ordered 'stay-at-home' orders, but he and his team are putting out the information that every Governor is using to make their 'stay-at-home' order decisions.

    Dr Fauci is connected to Deep Stater Hillary Clinton and the corrupt China-bought WHO. And it's his "we're all gonna die!" advice that started all this.

    I asked on a previous thread a couple days ago... what if a President Hillary were doing the exact same things President Trump has been doing? And Governors all over the country were taking her advice and shutting down states.

    During an election year.

    Think we'd all be on here during all her daily briefings praising her? I doubt it.

    [Granted, if Hillary were President, we'd all be going about our lives as normal right now, because COVID-19 would have been treated just as H1N1 was treated.]

    Posted by: Clyde Shelton at March 28, 2020 09:42 AM (Do5/p)

    143 Speaking of Trump, watched some of his appearances on Letterman, BBC, some others talk and news shows. One from 1980 (!) when he was barely in his 30s. Some from mid-late 1980s. Then a few from the 1990s. Contrast - before and after his two divorces, a bankruptcy and a comeback. I liked the BBC interview from 1998 (https://tinyurl.com/y3bga9tr). In interviews prior to late 90's you see seeds of what has become President Donald Trump. In 1998 he is almost what we see today. Some themes of his are not new. In the 1980s he talked about Japan taking advantage of US. In one interview Letterman is pushing him about running for president (in 1980s !). He demures. Most appearances are tied to release of his books. The Art of the Deal, The Art of the Comeback.

    Posted by: runner at March 28, 2020 09:42 AM (zr5Kq)

    144 Stole a blue light? One night in Berlin, drunk of course, I stole the antenna off an empty police car. I even brought it home in my luggage!



    It's six feet long! Idiot!

    Posted by: Kemp at March 28, 2020 09:42 AM (byLIL)

    145 But there are far too many people making the argument that instead of having faith in the American people to act responsibly, the right thing to do is to take away their freedom and liberty.
    Posted by: Clyde Shelton at March 28, 2020 09:28 AM (Do5/p)

    My feeling right now, just from people I know personally, is that most people will grudgingly put up with it for about 2 weeks. After that, I think a solid majority are going to agree with you, Clyde. At that point, we better open back up in many ways, or we're going to start seeing significant civil unrest, although I can't predict the form that will take. See the Chinese videos posted yesterday for what that looks like when a people gets fed up with what's being done to them.

    Posted by: Tom Servo at March 28, 2020 09:42 AM (V2Yro)

    146 I see the spirit of Randall Flagg has possessed judges and elected officials to let out prisoners during a pandemic.

    Posted by: it begins... at March 28, 2020 09:43 AM (lBCgE)

    147 Number One Occupation.

    Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at March 28, 2020 09:43 AM (PUmDY)

    148 Yeah, I think today might be "epic" day. Follow up Taylor with The Ten Commandments for a slinky Anne Baxter and sloe-eyed Yvonne De Carlo.

    Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 28, 2020 09:39 AM (2JVJo)

    ---
    "Quo Vadis" is an overlooked work of genius.

    Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2020 09:43 AM (cfSRQ)

    149 Assessing the size of the economic downturn, will require continuous reassessment of the scale of the damage, just like the virus. I will not hold against someone changing their mind.

    Except the corporate media, because they are garbage babies who like to taste their own poop.

    Posted by: BourbonChicken at March 28, 2020 09:43 AM (LxTcq)

    150 H'aint had a tv in a decade. Now, with the library closed, gonna take summa dat gubmint green and buy a flat screen.
    Even the HD broadcast channels provide some diversions.
    Ward Bond in Wagon Train would be welcome.
    Not a 60" monster, a17" likely as the bunker has space limits.

    Posted by: getting the banned back together at March 28, 2020 09:43 AM (OGYUi)

    151 Eris, I actually saw a bacon-scented Yankee candle once in their outlet shop near me. I even took a picture of it to send to my kids. But I didn't buy it because it didn't smell as good as you would think.

    Posted by: bluebell at March 28, 2020 09:44 AM (/669Q)

    152 142 So you'd prefer Hillary as POTUS now?

    Posted by: vmom 2020 at March 28, 2020 09:44 AM (G546f)

    153 Hi y'all-

    Let's see what my dad was up to on March 28, 1944 on the Anzio beach head. Looks like his unit was welcoming in some new 8 inch howitzers while the Germans were launching an ineffectual bombing raid on Anzio and Nettuno with substantial German aircraft losses to antiaircraft batteries and British Spitfire fighters.


    28 Mar.
    [Margin note: 194th Bn, 8 in[ch] Hows, came in.] In our first daylight raid for sometime, Gerry sent over about 40 planes. Bombs dropped in water - no damage. When it was all over AA had downed 8 and Spits 3. Not a bad show.

    Posted by: Muldoon at March 28, 2020 09:44 AM (m45I2)

    154 I don't think we mishandled H1N1 in any large way - while of course some things can always be done better in hindsight, it was not a bad approach, overall.

    Posted by: Tom Servo at March 28, 2020 09:44 AM (V2Yro)

    155 Bluebell, it needs bacon grease in the mix.

    Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 28, 2020 09:45 AM (Dc2NZ)

    156 my dreams have been vivid, and unsettling, for at least a week now. Haven't changed my sleep patterns; but I've been getting out of bed at about 6 each morning so i don't have to put up with them anymore.
    Posted by: Tom Servo at March 28, 2020 09:34 AM (V2Yro)

    don't put up with them !

    Posted by: runner at March 28, 2020 09:45 AM (zr5Kq)

    157 When I do epic it's Seven Samurai and Lawrence of Arabia.

    I don't own The Great Escape, but now I think I should. (I had it on VHS).

    Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 28, 2020 09:45 AM (gd9RK)

    158 Aah, Insom. Great insight and you talked me back from the edge.
    Good morning!

    Posted by: RI Red at March 28, 2020 09:45 AM (p/KmR)

    159 I don't know why this movie got so much flack for being wasteful. It was very expensive but you saw every dollar up on screen.

    The procession into Rome is worth every penny:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB5Wv8IHVf0
    Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 28, 2020 09:35 AM (Dc2NZ)


    Well, to be honest, it was a ridiculously wasteful production. Beyond the padding, stealing and double-entry bookkeeping endemic to any Hollywood production, you have to remember that the original director, Ruben Mamoulian, wasted 7 million shooting 10 minutes of footage - none with Taylor - in England, then, when Mankiewicz took over without a script, actors like Hume Cronin were kept on for months at a time, not working, at a salary of $5000 a week.

    But yes, as far as costumes, sets and locations, it is a lavish, no-holds-barred production. I glory in it, but Cleopatra is my kind of movie.

    Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 28, 2020 09:45 AM (2JVJo)

    160 My daughter sent me that clip about the Italian priest a few days ago but I thought someone had messed with it. I'm glad to find out it was a legit mistake.

    Posted by: bluebell at March 28, 2020 09:45 AM (/669Q)

    161 Thunder and lightning at 9AM always seemed surreal to me.

    -
    We had snow and thunder yesterday, skiff of snow this morning, and the 'Rona.

    Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at March 28, 2020 09:45 AM (+y/Ru)

    162 Don't manbun if you don't like, braid like your ancestors did.

    Posted by: runner at March 28, 2020 09:46 AM (zr5Kq)

    163 "All hair problems are First World Problems."

    -- Johnny Gutts

    Posted by: Dr. Varno at March 28, 2020 09:47 AM (vuisn)

    164

    28 Mar.

    [Margin note: 194th Bn, 8 in[ch] Hows, came in.] In our first
    daylight raid for sometime, Gerry sent over about 40 planes. Bombs
    dropped in water - no damage. When it was all over AA had downed 8 and
    Spits 3. Not a bad show.

    Posted by: Muldoon at March 28, 2020 09:44 AM (m45I2)

    ---
    I'd take the kill numbers with a grain of salt. AA gunners were some of the worst out there in terms of double-counting kills.

    I'm not saying it was intentional, just part of the confusion. Bomber crews were notoriously bad in overestimating kills, but also some of the bravest men in the war.

    Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2020 09:47 AM (cfSRQ)

    165 The last thing this country needs now is more people walking around looking like idiots.
    Posted by: TrivialPursuer at March 28, 2020 09:35 AM (k4dH2)

    -----
    Samurai haircuts, though, that could be a thing.

    Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Lone Fire at March 28, 2020 09:48 AM (g8Yc+)

    166 T for Timbuktu.

    Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at March 28, 2020 09:48 AM (PUmDY)

    167 Eris, I actually saw a bacon-scented Yankee candle once in their outlet shop near me. I even took a picture of it to send to my kids. But I didn't buy it because it didn't smell as good as you would think.
    Posted by: bluebell at March 28, 2020 09:44 AM (/669Q)


    I once bought a bottle of bacon ketchup. It didn't taste good. In fact, it was lousy. Stonewall Kitchen, I think, was the brand.

    Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 28, 2020 09:48 AM (2JVJo)

    168 Tom yer JUST DREAMING.................concentrate on finding the BOOGY man in the closet................

    Posted by: saf at March 28, 2020 09:48 AM (5IHGB)

    169 when Mankiewicz took over without a script, actors
    like Hume Cronin were kept on for months at a time, not working, at a
    salary of $5000 a week.



    But yes, as far as costumes, sets and locations, it is a lavish, no-holds-barred production. I glory in it, but Cleopatra is my kind of movie.

    Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 28, 2020 09:45 AM (2JVJo)

    ---
    Roddy McDowell and Richard Burton went up to become bit players in "The Longest Day" purely out of boredom because production was so slow.

    Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2020 09:48 AM (cfSRQ)

    170 Watching Ben Hur tonight. I don't think I've ever seen it in entirety (only parts of it as a kid).

    Been watching Hitchcock. Saboteur (co-written by Dorothy Parker, and you can tell). Dial M for Murder -- essentially a stage play, very well written. Ray Milland makes it work.

    Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at March 28, 2020 09:48 AM (H8QX8)

    171 I guess the two things about this COVID-19 silliness that bother me the most are:

    1. There is no attempt by the general public to demand to see the assumptions and the underlying methodology or analysis that was used to justify the shutdown.

    2. There is a definite lack of willingness on the general public's part to tell local governments that are acting like tyrants to FOAD, and to go about normally with just a few extra precautions for being exposed to a flu-like contagion.

    Anyone with two brain cells that rub together knows that government is gonna take advantage of anything extends their power and increases tax revenue.

    What we're seeing now is exactly what people like Hamilton, Madison, Jay, and Jefferson warned us about. And very few seem to care. But hey, they're gonna get a $1200 payout so it's all good, right?

    Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 28, 2020 09:49 AM (Xesvh)

    172 When I do epic it's Seven Samurai and Lawrence of Arabia.

    I don't own The Great Escape, but now I think I should. (I had it on VHS).
    Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 28, 2020 09:45 AM (gd9RK)


    No love for Ben-Hur?

    Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 28, 2020 09:49 AM (2JVJo)

    173 New meaning to Why Does It Hurt When I Pee.

    If it issues out of more than one hole, that's not good.
    Like a garden soaker hose.

    Posted by: getting the banned back together diagnosed with gangosa at March 28, 2020 09:49 AM (OGYUi)

    174 ...is stealin' wimmen from their other men.

    Posted by: klaftern at March 28, 2020 09:50 AM (RuIsu)

    175 When a British person speaks, the air moves across the roof of the mouth. With an American or Scott speaks, the air moves low over the tongue. This is the difference between a Connery impression, and a Bane impression.

    If you are going to release a thousand fucking criminals, you ought to have a five-star Bane impression.

    Posted by: BourbonChicken at March 28, 2020 09:50 AM (LxTcq)

    176 So, this Trek uniform you're making - original series, The Motion Picture, Wrath of Khan, Next Generation, reboot or what?
    Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 28, 2020 09:13 AM (2JVJo)

    "Mirror, Mirror" Imperial Star Fleet

    Posted by: Fox2! at March 28, 2020 09:50 AM (qyH+l)

    177 Ben Hur on TCM ?

    Posted by: Skip at March 28, 2020 09:50 AM (ZCEU2)

    178 It would take talent to fuck up bacon ketchup.

    Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at March 28, 2020 09:51 AM (f7Img)

    179 can you stream TCM ?

    Posted by: runner at March 28, 2020 09:51 AM (zr5Kq)

    180 MP4, bacon ketchup sounds horrible. I guess at its very best it would taste like bbq sauce, but I'd rather have bbq sauce.

    Posted by: bluebell at March 28, 2020 09:51 AM (/669Q)

    181 Klaftern, I love that song.

    Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at March 28, 2020 09:52 AM (PUmDY)

    182 179 can you stream TCM ?
    Posted by: runner at March 28, 2020 09:51 AM (zr5Kq

    Yes and you can watch on demand films too

    Posted by: CN at March 28, 2020 09:52 AM (ONvIw)

    183
    Saturday Morning Coffee Break
    A-poem-for-mornings.jpg
    ***


    ***
    Yup, I'm f*cking sick and tired of the Kung Flu as you are. Hmmm. Were there any events that occurred this past week which weren't Covid19 related? Let's take a look:



    I wish he would have gotten the chance to target shoot.
    Judas Priest we live in stupid, f*cking stupid times.
    Whatever, it's not Coronavirus shit.
    Not the brightest bulb in the pack.
    Never judge a cosplay player but its cover.
    Move over Father Guido Sarducci
    Take it from an expert, PJs and a Robe are fine office attire. Home office that is.
    The f*cking world has been wussified.
    Rules? Open thread, no running with sharp objects, be kind to the 'ettes and play nice with one another.

    Let's enjoy the weekend!!! Have a great weekend!!! Don't let The Man get you down.
    If he does we could try to have a bail raising party.

    Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at 09:00 AM




    Comments
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    1 6good morning horde
    Posted by: Skip at March 28, 2020 09:01 AM (ZCEU2)

    2 Dutifully called them I did
    Posted by: Skip at March 28, 2020 09:02 AM (ZCEU2)

    3 Bonjour !
    Posted by: runner at March 28, 2020 09:02 AM (zr5Kq)

    4 buongiorno orda
    Posted by: vmom 2020 at March 28, 2020 09:02 AM (G546f)

    5 Good Saturday morning, horde!

    This morning's coffee has a couple of scoops of roasted cacao in it---mmm, chocolate covfefe!
    Posted by: April at March 28, 2020 09:03 AM (OX9vb)

    6 Might be my 6th good morning who knows?
    Posted by: Skip at March 28, 2020 09:03 AM (ZCEU2)

    7 And here we are!

    I believe "firsts" on regularly scheduled threads get only a quarter of the redeemable points that Ace-threat first do at the Horde Gift Shop and Hobo Cafe.

    Is that correct?
    Posted by: Doctors in 1918 at March 28, 2020 09:03 AM (cfSRQ)

    8 Raining pretty good here
    Posted by: Skip at March 28, 2020 09:04 AM (ZCEU2)

    9 Needed that laugh thanks mh
    Posted by: San Franpsycho at March 28, 2020 09:04 AM (EZebt)

    10 Willowed from last thread, since we're talking abut cops - the late, great Dick Curless' "Drag 'Em Off the Interstate, Sock it To 'Em, J.P. Blues:"

    https://tinyurl.com/rz623kz
    Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 28, 2020 09:04 AM (2JVJo)

    11 Oy, "Ace-THREAD" firsts.

    Threatening Ace gets you zero points.
    Posted by: Doctors in 1918 at March 28, 2020 09:04 AM (cfSRQ)

    12 Good morning!

    OK, the haircut story is pretty funny.
    Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 28, 2020 09:04 AM (Xesvh)

    13 Stay calm and Covfefe.
    Posted by: jsg at March 28, 2020 09:04 AM (B95HO)

    14 Begone ancient medical sock!
    Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2020 09:05 AM (cfSRQ)

    15 Whatever, it's not Coronavirus shit.

    Yeah, no. When I read "unlike our current delusionary in chief," I'll bail. I have better things to do with my morning than put up with some asshole's TDS.
    Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 28, 2020 09:06 AM (2JVJo)

    16 Thunder and lightning at 9AM always seemed surreal to me.
    Posted by: jsg at March 28, 2020 09:06 AM (B95HO)

    17 Went to town yesterday for a scheduled Dr. appointment....more traffic than NYC.
    Posted by: BignJames at March 28, 2020 09:06 AM (X/Pw5)

    18 Not enuf COFFEE in the HIGH FUNG KU boss.
    Posted by: saf at March 28, 2020 09:06 AM (5IHGB)

    19 Moar Coffee sounds like a good start!
    Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 28, 2020 09:06 AM (BiNEL)

    20 1 6good morning horde
    Posted by: Skip at March 28, 2020 09:01 AM (ZCEU2)

    Typo. Disqualified. The prize goes to the person posting comment no. 2.
    Posted by: m at March 28, 2020 09:06 AM (KXX3K)

    21 Good Morning, Horde.
    Posted by: CN at March 28, 2020 09:06 AM (ONvIw)

    22 13 Stay calm and Covfefe.
    Posted by: jsg at March 28, 2020 09:04 AM (B95HO)

    That would be great if PDT twitted that.
    Posted by: m at March 28, 2020 09:07 AM (KXX3K)

    23 hiya
    Posted by: JT at March 28, 2020 09:07 AM (arJlL)

    24 9 Needed that laugh thanks mh
    Posted by: San Franpsycho at March 28, 2020 09:04 AM (EZebt)


    Which one Buddy?
    Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 28, 2020 09:07 AM (aA3+G)

    25 Had coffee dos
    Now a bit of oatmeal
    Posted by: rhennigantx at March 28, 2020 09:07 AM (JFO2v)

    26 Cosplay is a strange place.
    Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 28, 2020 09:08 AM (O4024)

    27 Thunder and lightning at 9AM always seemed surreal to me.

    It is very, very frightening.
    Posted by: Galileo at March 28, 2020 09:08 AM (2JVJo)

    28 My place smells like coffee and bacon and maple syrup.

    There should be a Yankee Candle for that.
    Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 28, 2020 09:08 AM (Dc2NZ)

    29 So I need to write tonight's ONT

    I am so f*cking sick and tired of nothing but virus shit even in the sites that normally don't cover current affairs.
    Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 28, 2020 09:08 AM (aA3+G)

    30 Which one Buddy?
    Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 28, 2020 09:07 AM (aA3+G)

    Yes
    Posted by: April at March 28, 2020 09:08 AM (OX9vb)

    31 *grabs scissors*
    *runs*
    Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at March 28, 2020 09:08 AM (NWiLs)

    32 Willowed:

    In 1918, people died of all sorts of things that we

    don't worry about. Bacterial infections were often deadly, a cut on the

    hand or foot could spell doom. There was no effective treatment for TB,

    and childhood diseases took a bigger toll, including scarlet fever.





    A hundred years ago, deaths among the "otherwise healthy" were generally less of a shock


    Posted by: CN at March 28, 2020 08:57 AM
    ---

    Correct.
    This "if it saves one life" garbage has got to stop. Yes people are
    going to die from this disease. Most of them would have died within a
    few months anyway even without the disease according to the famous
    Doctor in the UK.

    But is "saving one life" worth it while intentionally destroying the World's economy?

    As
    at at risk person, I don't think it's worth plunging the World into a
    deep depression that may last years. I will take my chances.





    Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at March 28, 2020 09:07 AM
    Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at March 28, 2020 09:08 AM (JUOKG)

    33 Had coffee dos
    Now a bit of oatmeal
    Posted by: rhennigantx at March 28, 2020 09:07 AM (JFO2v)

    Made instant oatmeal with coffee once. It was one of those things that sounds a lot better in your head.
    Posted by: hogmartin at March 28, 2020 09:09 AM (t+qrx)

    34 Think it's a Lowes morning.

    Gonna get paint and supplies to do the mud room.

    Forward, comrades.
    Posted by: jsg at March 28, 2020 09:09 AM (B95HO)

    35
    I social justice separated and still feel Dirty.
    Posted by: saf at March 28, 2020 09:09 AM (5IHGB)

    36 Good morning! I'm pulling all the taps and buckets today. Cleaning the evaporator tomorrow. I have about 5 more gallons of syrup to bottle at some point as well.
    Posted by: Muad'dib at March 28, 2020 09:09 AM (/bKbU)

    37 It rained so hard here for a while last night, the sound on rain crashing on the roof woke me up...

    And I live in Mom's basement!
    Posted by: Basement NPC at March 28, 2020 09:10 AM (BiNEL)

    38 "Gonna get paint and supplies to do the mud room. "

    Maybe just a five gallon bucket of mud?
    Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 28, 2020 09:10 AM (O4024)

    39 *smooshes MisHum*

    Make it about pop culture and music. People can riff on that shit forever.
    Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 28, 2020 09:10 AM (Dc2NZ)

    40 You guys, I read somewhere that now, because of schedule changes, having more time to sleep, people are having different dream patterns, seeing their dreams. Remembering them. I have experienced it! I rarely remember my dreams. But, the one from last night - I am on a train I think, talking to some lady, and then she tells me she is on, get this, Zero Hedge and gives me her screen name. And then I wake up ! WTH ??!! I don't remember what she was telling me before she told me about Zero Hedge. So don't ask.
    Posted by: runner at March 28, 2020 09:10 AM (zr5Kq)

    41 Think I'll go out and yell at the clouds for a bit
    Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at March 28, 2020 09:10 AM (8JqLB)

    42 Oh, MisHum, also interservice pot shots.
    Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 28, 2020 09:11 AM (Dc2NZ)

    43 It is very, very frightening.
    Posted by: Galileo at March 28, 2020 09:08 AM (2JVJo)

    No no no no no

    Posted by: Beelzebub at March 28, 2020 09:11 AM (B95HO)

    44 Good morning! I'm pulling all the taps and buckets today. Cleaning the evaporator tomorrow. I have about 5 more gallons of syrup to bottle at some point as well.
    Posted by: Muad'dib

    Keep up the good work !
    Posted by: JT at March 28, 2020 09:12 AM (arJlL)

    45 I am so f*cking sick and tired of nothing but virus shit even in the sites that normally don't cover current affairs.

    Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 28, 2020 09:08 AM (aA3+G)

    I have an idea, why don't you do a musical thread about great contemporary artists?
    Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 28, 2020 09:12 AM (BiNEL)

    46 *smooshes MisHum*

    Make it about pop culture and music. People can riff on that shit forever.
    Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 28, 2020 09:10 AM (Dc2NZ)

    **waves to Eris**

    So, this Trek uniform you're making - original series, The Motion Picture, Wrath of Khan, Next Generation, reboot or what?
    Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 28, 2020 09:13 AM (2JVJo)

    47 Willowed...

    388 This is serious stuff.

    Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2020 08:41 AM

    Seasonal flu, going by the low end estimate of 20,000 USA deaths is an average of 55 deaths per day.

    H1N1, with 60,000 estimated dead over the course of April '09 to April '10 is an average of 164 deaths per day.

    So I take it you are suggesting we stay in this 'stay-at-home' situation for the rest of time?

    While we're at it, let's start banning foods and activities that lead to deaths from heart disease (610,000 USA deaths per year, 1,671 deaths per day). And when some health study comes out showing some link between some food or drink and cancer, well, time to ban it to prevent those deaths.

    Exactly how far are you willing to keep liberty and freedom from people in this country to try to prevent people from dying?

    Posted by: Clyde Shelton at March 28, 2020 09:01 AM
    Posted by: Clyde Shelton at March 28, 2020 09:14 AM (Do5/p)

    48 This is a an article about someone who sounds like a decent (as in nice guy) actor-Jesse Eisenberg-who played creepy Mark Zuckerberg in "Social Media". He passes on seeing almost all of his movies. He's apparently also in one about the French mime Marcel Marceau. The movie is called "Resistance". There is a great quote in this article by Eisenberg about why he stays off social media:

    https://tinyurl.com/ug99wge
    Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 28, 2020 09:14 AM (WI7YS)

    49 Thunderstorm with hail woke up at 4:15 so Imade coffee and experienced the storm in comfort. More storms and possibly twisters afternoon and evening, big winds too. I enjoy storms, but without twister.

    Best wishes to all.
    Posted by: parker at March 28, 2020 09:14 AM (LN9tx)

    50 Good morning! I'm pulling all the taps and buckets today. Cleaning the evaporator tomorrow.
    Posted by: Muad'dib at March 28, 2020 09:09 AM (/bKbU)

    That sounds like a really sticky job.
    Posted by: hogmartin at March 28, 2020 09:14 AM (t+qrx)

    51 20 1 6good morning horde
    Posted by: Skip at March 28, 2020 09:01 AM (ZCEU2)

    Typo. Disqualified. The prize goes to the person posting comment no. 2.

    Posted by: m at March 28, 2020 09:06 AM (KXX3K)

    If we don't have standards, then we are little better than the animals!
    Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 28, 2020 09:14 AM (BiNEL)

    52 To continue my line of thought:

    It is possible for something to be both serious and over-hyped.

    It is also possible to choose disproportionate measures for a serious threat.

    What I take objection to is trivializing the threat by comparing it to dissimilar events.

    The H1N1 flu was *not* handled correctly. I think we agree on that. It was not a "best practices" situation. So holding that up as "hey we lived through it," isn't a powerful argument.

    Similarly, pointing out things like automotive deaths is also missing the point. Those fall in a very predictable range and when they spike, people notice. If a state had 90 additional road deaths over a two week periods with enough injured to close hospitals, people would not shrug it off.

    The difficulty here is that the unknown unknowns have such a deadly upside, it's hard to know what is appropriate.

    A disease that is spread by casual contact can only be contained via immunity or separation. We don't know how or even if to generate immunity, so separation is the imprecise tool we have left.

    We must then question, how, where and for how long to employ it.

    But that's a much more complex argument and probably less satisfying than calling people concern trolls.
    Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2020 09:14 AM (cfSRQ)

    53 Fresh Coffee smell
    Posted by: FrodoB, because at March 28, 2020 09:15 AM (dQF3z)

    54 I have an idea, why don't you do a musical thread about great contemporary artists?

    Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 28, 2020 09:12 AM (BiNEL)

    Hmmm....rappers too?
    Posted by: BignJames at March 28, 2020 09:15 AM (X/Pw5)

    55 Maybe just a five gallon bucket of mud?
    Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 28, 2020 09:10 AM (O4024)

    I already get that whenever the boy walks in. I look at the bottom of his shoes and the amout of crap they drag in and wonder, How is this possible ?
    Posted by: jsg at March 28, 2020 09:15 AM (B95HO)

    56 We start discouting typos the comments will be halved, and said might be my 6th good morning, been logged in since 4am.
    Posted by: Skip at March 28, 2020 09:15 AM (ZCEU2)

    57 31 *grabs scissors*
    *runs*
    Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at March 28, 2020 09:08 AM (NWiLs)

    more truthful than the book running with scissors
    Posted by: rhennigantx at March 28, 2020 09:15 AM (JFO2v)

    58

    This COFEFVE Novel consumption is GONNA KILL US ALL..it is a PUNDEMIC and is bacon us all FEEL GOOD, we can't have that................Ban Hammer on the beans................
    Posted by: saf at March 28, 2020 09:16 AM (5IHGB)

    59 "People are cutting their own hair during lockdown - and it's not going well"



    I warned you people. Just let it grow.
    Posted by: runner at March 28, 2020 09:16 AM (zr5Kq)

    60 Oh wait, I had comment 2, and that was AFTER announcing nood not piling on comments.
    Posted by: Skip at March 28, 2020 09:17 AM (ZCEU2)

    61 28 My place smells like coffee and bacon and maple syrup.

    There should be a Yankee Candle for that.
    Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 28, 2020 09:08 AM (Dc2NZ)


    Ill get right on that
    Posted by: Gwenyeth Paltrow at March 28, 2020 09:18 AM (aA3+G)

    62 And to think saf made fun of me after mentioning I had my hair cut just before the shutdown.
    We will see who laughs last.
    Posted by: Skip at March 28, 2020 09:18 AM (ZCEU2)

    63 We will be made to care. About covid.
    Posted by: I Am No One at March 28, 2020 09:19 AM (pQplJ)

    64 Exactly how far are you willing to keep liberty and freedom from people in this country to try to prevent people from dying?
    Posted by: Clyde Shelton at March 28, 2020 09:14 AM (Do5/p) *

    Let's start by banning private ownership of vehicles that cause roughly 100 deaths per day and have done so for the last couple of decades.

    *Actually comrade, it is amazing to me that the default setting is to automatically believe the experts who always seem to make up theories and data extrapolations, it is never to question their assumptions!
    Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 28, 2020 09:19 AM (BiNEL)

    65 45 I am so f*cking sick and tired of nothing but virus shit even in the sites that normally don't cover current affairs.

    Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 28, 2020 09:08 AM (aA3+G)

    I have an idea, why don't you do a musical thread about great contemporary artists?
    Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 28, 2020 09:12 AM (BiNEL)


    Nice, Listener sponsored content............
    Posted by: Gwenyeth Paltrow at March 28, 2020 09:19 AM (aA3+G)

    66 Willowed again!!

    403 376 Amorica is a good album.
    Posted by: Cosmic Charlie


    The unedited picture on the cover was,,uh,,hirstute. You're right though, good album. The Black Crowes were solid.
    Posted by: Puddleglum
    Posted by: Puddleglum at March 28, 2020 09:19 AM (MVR7y)

    67 Off ucky sock
    Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 28, 2020 09:20 AM (aA3+G)

    68 59 "People are cutting their own hair during lockdown - and it's not going well"



    I warned you people. Just let it grow.
    Posted by: runner at March 28, 2020 09:16 AM (zr5Kq)

    I wish I had gotten mine cut. Might have to look into a flowbee.
    Posted by: jsg at March 28, 2020 09:20 AM (B95HO)

    69 lol the livestreamed priest
    God bless him and his flock
    Posted by: vmom 2020 at March 28, 2020 09:20 AM (G546f)

    70 But is "saving one life" worth it while intentionally destroying the World's economy?

    As
    at at risk person, I don't think it's worth plunging the World into a

    deep depression that may last years. I will take my chances.

    Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at March 28, 2020 09:07 AM

    ---
    It isn't about "saving one life," though, is it?

    No one is saying that. It's a straw man.

    The question is how to save as many lives as possible.

    Indeed, the really hard part is that we don't know how many lives are at risk. We think we know, but the data is all over the place.

    Going on what we have so far is like driving while looking exclusively at your rear-view mirror. You assume the trend lines will stay the same, but they're jumping all over the place.

    The disease takes about 14 days to manifest. That means that if you do a shut down today, you won't know how many people were already infected for two weeks. Aggressive testing can help, but that also takes time.

    On the flip side, this means that if the 14 days show zero stability, it didn't work and the focus should shift to treatment rather than isolation. I think that's what people are looking at.

    But this was never about "saving one life."

    Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2020 09:20 AM (cfSRQ)

    71 64 Exactly how far are you willing to keep liberty and freedom from people in this country to try to prevent people from dying?
    Posted by: Clyde Shelton at March 28, 2020 09:14 AM (Do5/p) *

    Let's start by banning private ownership of vehicles that cause roughly 100 deaths per day and have done so for the last couple of decades.

    *Actually comrade, it is amazing to me that the default setting is to automatically believe the experts who always seem to make up theories and data extrapolations, it is never to question their assumptions!
    Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 28, 2020 09:19 AM (BiNEL)

    Accidents happen within 5 miles of home. So we have UPS just move peoples home address by 5 miles!
    Posted by: rhennigantx at March 28, 2020 09:20 AM (JFO2v)

    72 OK, the haircut story is pretty funny.
    Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 28, 2020 09:04 AM (Xesvh)

    I just bought myself a gift card from my barber. I hope they're around to honor it.
    Posted by: hogmartin at March 28, 2020 09:21 AM (t+qrx)

    73 What is a Yankee Candle? Sounds kinky.
    Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at March 28, 2020 09:21 AM (PUmDY)

    74 It is very, very frightening.--
    Thunderstruck
    Posted by: FrodoB, because at March 28, 2020 09:22 AM (dQF3z)

    75 59 "People are cutting their own hair during lockdown - and it's not going well"



    I warned you people. Just let it grow.
    Posted by: runner at March 28, 2020 09:16 AM (zr5Kq)

    NFL owner having to do their own rub and tugs.
    Rappers having to shoot themselves.

    very bad!
    Posted by: rhennigantx at March 28, 2020 09:22 AM (JFO2v)

    76 The Covid is coming !!! The Covid is coming !!!
    Posted by: Paul Revere of Covid at March 28, 2020 09:23 AM (pQplJ)

    77 Coronavirus: Can you still have sex while self-isolating or social-distancing?


    Professor Hunter says that if you're in a monogamous relationship and
    live with your partner you can carry on as normal


    dammit
    Posted by: married men everywhere at March 28, 2020 09:23 AM (mw1Wz)

    78 73 What is a Yankee Candle? Sounds kinky.
    Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at March 28, 2020 09:21 AM (PUmDY)

    When your dick burns after 6 ft social distancing sex.
    Posted by: rhennigantx at March 28, 2020 09:23 AM (JFO2v)

    79 If the thunder don't get you, the lightning will.
    Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at March 28, 2020 09:23 AM (PUmDY)

    80 Finally stooped raining here but the ground has returned to swamp mode. So no tractor work till I get two sunny days at least.

    Guess I can put my Ark plans away. For now.
    Posted by: Big V Caffeinated at March 28, 2020 09:24 AM (XEC2p)

    81 Someone at work mentioned the dude with the tigers.

    I think I'll pass on homos and kitty kats ruining my weekend.
    Posted by: jsg at March 28, 2020 09:25 AM (B95HO)

    82 Who is going to see you anyway ? Leave it be.
    Posted by: runner at March 28, 2020 09:25 AM (zr5Kq)

    83 Willowed again!!

    403 376 Amorica is a good album.
    Posted by: Cosmic Charlie


    The unedited picture on the cover was,,uh,,hirstute. You're right though, good album. The Black Crowes were solid.
    Posted by: Puddleglum
    Posted by: Puddleglum at March 28, 2020 09:19 AM (MVR7y)

    That made me think of Roxy Music's Country Life:

    https://tinyurl.com/wplks5r
    Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 28, 2020 09:26 AM (2JVJo)

    84 Thunder - Imagine Dragons
    https://youtu.be/fKopy74weus
    Posted by: Skip at March 28, 2020 09:26 AM (ZCEU2)

    85 Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2020 09:14 AM (cfSRQ)

    on a similar note

    As one can see .these days, it really is very hard to use logic (numbers) to argue people out of a position they arrived at through emotion (fear)

    Changing fearful minds en masse is a leadership skill, and I think Trump is doing a good job so far
    Posted by: vmom 2020 at March 28, 2020 09:27 AM (G546f)

    86 Welp, last nite I posted about weather forecasting models that were predicting an apocalyptic tornado outbreak in central and northern IL.... this morning those model runs have backed off significantly, although they are still predicting supercell thunderstorms capable of producing tornadoes, damaging winds and gigantic hail. So keep an eye to the sky today IL Morons....
    Posted by: Secret Square at March 28, 2020 09:28 AM (9WuX0)

    87 We must then question, how, where and for how long to employ it.

    But that's a much more complex argument and probably less satisfying than calling people concern trolls.

    Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2020 09:14 AM

    My stance is that government should not deprive people of freedom and liberty.

    Because of the actions taken here over what is amounting to the same as a bad flu season --- H1N1 was not the same, as it was disproportionately affecting the young and healthy --- precedent has now been set to where totalitarian Presidents and Governors can take away liberty for whatever they deem an emergency.

    As I asked before, are you in favor of these measures for the 600,000 killed every year for heart disease? Are you in favor of banning foods and drinks like Cuomo and the Left does to protect people from themselves? How about all those studies which show connections between certain foods or drinks and cancer? Should we immediately ban them to protect people from themselves?

    In my opinion, the totalitarian actions being taken by my Governor Whitmer and other Democrat Governors are being taken, because like all totalitarians they don't trust people with freedom and liberty. Their instinct is to take control and ban things or tax things (food, drink, cigarettes, vaping, freedom, liberty).

    So, in my opinion, we are not fighting back against this enough. These Governors should know that We, the People, are NOT going to accept these totalitarian actions.

    But there are far too many people making the argument that instead of having faith in the American people to act responsibly, the right thing to do is to take away their freedom and liberty.
    Posted by: Clyde Shelton at March 28, 2020 09:28 AM (Do5/p)

    88 I warned you people. Just let it grow.

    Posted by: runner at March 28, 2020 09:16 AM (zr5Kq)

    speaking words of wisdom
    let it grow
    Posted by: vmom 2020 at March 28, 2020 09:28 AM (G546f)

    89 So, I ought to write today, but I've got this gnawing depression. I's sure part of it is being "confined," (though MA has not issued a shelter in place order) and I'm sure part of it is the steady drumbeat of bad news plus my usual internal cocktail of bile and hatred, but it seems to be overwhelming lately.

    I just look at my notebook, ponder for a while and then wander off, which only makes me feel worse.

    I just brewed a second cup of tea. I think when I finish it I'll take a little walk and then settle in and watch Cleopatra. Maybe I can write tomorrow after the book thread.
    Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 28, 2020 09:30 AM (2JVJo)

    90 last nite I posted about weather forecasting models


    Were they Mexican? The Mexican ones are caliente.
    Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 28, 2020 09:30 AM (gd9RK)

    91 I'm running out of supplies. It was sure nice having Hobby Lobby just a mile away. I hate ordering that stuff online. This stay at home crap is for the birds.
    Posted by: Jewells45 at March 28, 2020 09:30 AM (dUJdY)

    92

    A Yankee Candle ..I don't no what it is but it's a Doodle Dandy going in..............

    G Paltrow INC.
    Posted by: saf at March 28, 2020 09:30 AM (5IHGB)

    93 We must then question, how, where and for how long to employ it.
    But that's a much more complex argument and probably less satisfying than calling people concern trolls.
    Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2020 09:14 AM (cfSRQ)

    I agree that auto statistics cannot be a one for one comparison to a contagious disease, yet they do illustrate the concept of a roughly constant "background" death rate which society has obviously deemed acceptable. That same concept also applies to death rate by age, diabetes, heart problems, etc.

    The initial epidemic data is NEVER binned in this manner, so the automatic assumption is that we are all gonna die based on statistics accumulated on people that did indeed die and had the "disease" (but may have also had many other health factors that could have contributed to each of those deaths.)

    The key problem is that we want to expect competence and honesty in the public officials that should have an understanding of this, but who almost always fail us at their "One Job".
    Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 28, 2020 09:30 AM (BiNEL)

    94 Apparently, they're releasing people from Rikkers Island prison in N.Y. because of the virus. One woman there,, Viktoryia Nasyrova, is in the infirmary and sahe says nobody is there to clean properly. She's afraid they're all going to drop dead there and they're all scared. There is some black humor (I guess I'm not a nice person) in the fact, that Ms. Nasyroya is described as a "Russian born dominatrix who allegedly tried to kill a Queens woman with a slice of poisoned cheesecake."
    Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 28, 2020 09:30 AM (WI7YS)

    95 88 I warned you people. Just let it grow.

    Posted by: runner at March 28, 2020 09:16 AM (zr5Kq)

    speaking words of wisdom
    let it grow
    Posted by: vmom 2020 at March 28, 2020 09:28 AM (G546f)

    Let it go, let it go
    Can't hold it back anymore
    Let it go, let it go
    Turn away and slam the door
    Posted by: m at March 28, 2020 09:30 AM (KXX3K)

    96 87 We must then question, how, where and for how long to employ it.

    But that's a much more complex argument and probably less satisfying than calling people concern trolls.

    Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2020 09:14 AM

    My stance is that government should not deprive people of freedom and liberty.

    Because of the actions taken here over what is amounting to the same as a bad flu season --- H1N1 was not the same, as it was disproportionately affecting the young and healthy --- precedent has now been set to where totalitarian Presidents and Governors can take away liberty for whatever they deem an emergency.

    As I asked before, are you in favor of these measures for the 600,000 killed every year for heart disease? Are you in favor of banning foods and drinks like Cuomo and the Left does to protect people from themselves? How about all those studies which show connections between certain foods or drinks and cancer? Should we immediately ban them to protect people from themselves?

    In my opinion, the totalitarian actions being taken by my Governor Whitmer and other Democrat Governors are being taken, because like all totalitarians they don't trust people with freedom and liberty. Their instinct is to take control and ban things or tax things (food, drink, cigarettes, vaping, freedom, liberty).

    So, in my opinion, we are not fighting back against this enough. These Governors should know that We, the People, are NOT going to accept these totalitarian actions.

    But there are far too many people making the argument that instead of having faith in the American people to act responsibly, the right thing to do is to take away their freedom and liberty.
    Posted by: Clyde Shelton at March 28, 2020 09:28 AM (Do5/p)

    About 70% of black women are obese. Where are the rules?
    Posted by: rhennigantx at March 28, 2020 09:31 AM (JFO2v)

    97 go-->grow
    Posted by: m at March 28, 2020 09:31 AM (KXX3K)

    98 Here's an odd confession - I've listened to a few songs from "Joe Exotic" (aka The Tiger King) and I actually think his music is better than most anything anyone else has done in country for the last few years.
    Posted by: Tom Servo at March 28, 2020 09:31 AM (V2Yro)

    99 Hair, hair
    Long beautiful hair
    Waxen, flaxen,



    ah I forget the rest
    Posted by: Skip at March 28, 2020 09:31 AM (ZCEU2)

    100 Just let it grow? My hair is already starting to look like a grey version of an 80s hair band.
    Posted by: Big V Caffeinated at March 28, 2020 09:31 AM (XEC2p)

    101 Mis Hum, do you ever sleep?
    Posted by: Kemp at March 28, 2020 09:31 AM (byLIL)

    102 then settle in and watch Cleopatra

    Almost naked young Liz Taylor. So tantalizing, so close, so almost!
    Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 28, 2020 09:32 AM (gd9RK)

    103 I've been cutting my own hair and trimming my beard for years. It isn't hard. Mirror, scissors and a little care.
    Yes, it can look goofy at times, (pro tip, do your drinking after the cutting.) But I also don't try to do anything than look neat and somewhat, civilized.
    Posted by: Winston a dreg of society at March 28, 2020 09:32 AM (TYQsd)

    104 So, this Trek uniform you're making - original series, The Motion Picture, Wrath of Khan, Next Generation, reboot or what?
    Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 28, 2020 09:13 AM (2JVJo)
    ---
    This is a rumor started by Anna Puma.

    But if I did, it would be TOS Mirror Universe.
    Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 28, 2020 09:32 AM (Dc2NZ)

    105 88 I warned you people. Just let it grow.

    Posted by: runner at March 28, 2020 09:16 AM (zr5Kq)

    speaking words of wisdom
    let it grow
    Posted by: vmom 2020 at March 28, 2020 09:28 AM (G546f)

    Let it grow, let it grow
    Can't hold it back anymore
    Let it grow, let it grow
    Turn away and slam the door
    Posted by: m at March 28, 2020 09:32 AM (KXX3K)

    106 MP4, will it help if you write a character inspired by youtube Victorian gal?
    Posted by: vmom 2020 at March 28, 2020 09:33 AM (G546f)

    107 precedent has now been set to where totalitarian Presidents and
    Governors can take away liberty for whatever they deem an emergency.


    Agree, Clyde.

    I have been asking myself: what if Obama had done this?


    I don't like my answers.



    Posted by: deplorable unperson - sanitized for your protection at March 28, 2020 09:33 AM (mw1Wz)

    108 RUFKM!
    https://tinyurl.com/u4kq2a2
    My former state of RI has gone full hob nail boot.
    Where's jackstraw when we need him?
    Posted by: RI Red at March 28, 2020 09:33 AM (p/KmR)

    109 Cleopatra has a really good soundtrack.
    Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at March 28, 2020 09:33 AM (3DZIZ)

    110 There once was a man from Nantucket
    Virus killed 'im
    Posted by: klaftern at March 28, 2020 09:33 AM (RuIsu)

    111 Runner - my dreams have been vivid, and unsettling, for at least a week now. Haven't changed my sleep patterns; but I've been getting out of bed at about 6 each morning so i don't have to put up with them anymore.
    Posted by: Tom Servo at March 28, 2020 09:34 AM (V2Yro)

    112 Time to bring back the buzz cut.

    Safe, sanitary and anyone can do it.

    More coffee.
    Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 28, 2020 09:34 AM (Z+IKu)

    113 Because there are other people I would feel more sympathy for-even people at Rikkers Island- than a dominatrix who wanted to kill someone with a slice of poisoned cheesecake. It might be because I like cheesecake.
    Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 28, 2020 09:34 AM (WI7YS)

    114 MisHum, maybe you could do a post on great songs PDT could use for his entrance at rallies in this age of coronavirus.
    Posted by: m at March 28, 2020 09:34 AM (KXX3K)

    115 Cutting own hair is funny.
    Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at March 28, 2020 09:34 AM (PUmDY)

    116 Cass Sunstein Feb 28
    Cognitive Bias Makes Us Panic over Kung Flu

    Cass Sunstein Mar 26
    Numbers Show We Cannot Be TOO Careful
    Posted by: rhennigantx at March 28, 2020 09:34 AM (JFO2v)

    117 Waffles this morning from betty crockers cookbook. Yummy
    Posted by: Madxmom at March 28, 2020 09:34 AM (zsbVl)

    118 112 Time to bring back the buzz cut.

    Safe, sanitary and anyone can do it.

    More coffee.
    Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 28, 2020 09:34 AM (Z+IKu)

    Some people don't have nicely shaped heads, however.
    Posted by: m at March 28, 2020 09:34 AM (KXX3K)

    119 Planning on next solo miniature game of Gross Jagersdorf 1757 but need 1/2 my game board to show woods so need green poster board. Michael's is closed, Target is open but not sure if they have it.
    Posted by: Skip at March 28, 2020 09:35 AM (ZCEU2)

    120 I just brewed a second cup of tea. I think when I finish it I'll take a little walk and then settle in and watch Cleopatra. Maybe I can write tomorrow after the book thread.
    Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 28, 2020 09:30 AM (2JVJo)
    ---
    I don't know why this movie got so much flack for being wasteful. It was very expensive but you saw every dollar up on screen.

    The procession into Rome is worth every penny:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB5Wv8IHVf0
    Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 28, 2020 09:35 AM (Dc2NZ)

    121 59 "People are cutting their own hair during lockdown - and it's not going well"



    I warned you people. Just let it grow.
    ________________

    Just don't pin it up into a soy-boy bun. Please. For the love of all that is holy.

    The last thing this country needs now is more people walking around looking like idiots.
    Posted by: TrivialPursuer at March 28, 2020 09:35 AM (k4dH2)

    122 108 RUFKM!
    https://tinyurl.com/u4kq2a2
    My former state of RI has gone full hob nail boot.
    Where's jackstraw when we need him?
    Posted by: RI Red at March 28, 2020 09:33 AM (p/KmR)

    This seems like sound policy, virus or no virus.
    Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at March 28, 2020 09:35 AM (NWiLs)

    123 Nope, I'm letting the beard go feral. Just shave my neck because of itching.

    I'm going to come out of this looking like a grey Viking.
    Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 28, 2020 09:35 AM (gd9RK)

    124 So, this Trek uniform you're making - original series, The Motion Picture, Wrath of Khan, Next Generation, reboot or what?
    Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 28, 2020 09:13 AM (2JVJo)
    ---
    This is a rumor started by Anna Puma.

    But if I did, it would be TOS Mirror Universe.
    Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 28, 2020 09:32 AM (Dc2NZ)

    **deep sigh**
    Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 28, 2020 09:35 AM (2JVJo)

    125 You know what will definitely kill the fuck out of a lot of people?

    Economic collapse and poverty.
    Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at March 28, 2020 09:35 AM (3DZIZ)

    126 112 Time to bring back the buzz cut.

    Safe, sanitary and anyone can do it.

    More coffee.
    Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 28, 2020 09:34 AM (Z+IKu)

    Can you self brazilian wax? It would take a steady hand and nerves of steel! And a tongue depressor to bite down on!
    Posted by: rhennigantx at March 28, 2020 09:36 AM (JFO2v)

    127 I cut my own hair.

    Down there.

    What ? I heard you liked me !
    Posted by: Joe Biden at March 28, 2020 09:36 AM (B95HO)

    128 I got the idea about "new Trump rally songs" here, on the previous thread:

    289 You know how the Trump rallys do the Rolling Stones song as the walk-out-of-the-arena mood piece?

    Well, here is what it ought to be, for his Wuhan Fluvan pressers, we bring you Jason Mraz, live from Darrel Hall's place in London:

    I WON"T GIVE UP https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGY8BQ5N9wA&loop=0

    Standard tuning on your guitar. G D G D G D Bm A You''ll figure it out.
    Posted by: Les Kinetic at March 28, 2020 08:31 AM (+fPHo)
    Posted by: m at March 28, 2020 09:37 AM (KXX3K)

    129 The Left wants you sick, enslaved or dead. Just a reminder.
    Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at March 28, 2020 09:37 AM (H8QX

    130 Agree, Clyde.
    I have been asking myself: what if Obama had done this?
    I don't like my answers.
    Posted by: deplorable unperson - sanitized for your protection at March 28, 2020 09:33 AM (mw1Wz)

    The last thing I expected to happen during a Trump Presidency was a test run of martial law.

    You can bet there is now a new Appendix being written for inclusion in the Socialist Progressive Handbook update.
    Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 28, 2020 09:37 AM (BiNEL)

    131 News Flash : BRAZILLIONS suffering from Hairy Muffs Syndrome.


    something fishy going on.........................
    Posted by: saf at March 28, 2020 09:38 AM (5IHGB)

    132 Sniffing my own hair
    Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at March 28, 2020 09:38 AM (PUmDY)

    133 78 73 What is a Yankee Candle? Sounds kinky.
    Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at March 28, 2020 09:21 AM (PUmDY)

    When your dick burns after 6 ft social distancing sex.
    Posted by: rhennigantx at March 28, 2020 09:23 AM (JFO2v)


    New meaning to Why Does It Hurt When I Pee.
    Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 28, 2020 09:38 AM (aA3+G)

    134 As I asked before, are you in favor of these
    measures for the 600,000 killed every year for heart disease? Are you
    in favor of banning foods and drinks like Cuomo and the Left does to
    protect people from themselves? How about all those studies which show
    connections between certain foods or drinks and cancer? Should we
    immediately ban them to protect people from themselves?




    Posted by: Clyde Shelton at March 28, 2020 09:28 AM (Do5/p)

    ---
    All of the things you cited are known risks, and therefore irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

    As to your larger question about liberty, throughout history people have had to subordinate the individual in order to save the larger group.

    People bring up WW II, and it's a good example. Ten percent of the population was put into compulsory military service.

    Everything was rationed - food, clothing, gasoline. Whole sectors of the economy were commandeered.

    Was that extreme?

    What about laws regarding sanitation? Is California doing the right thing regarding defecation in the public streets?

    The fact is that public health in an epidemic can't be settled on an individual basis.

    The question is figuring out how to curb the spread. Telling folks to take a couple of weeks off may be ineffective at halting the spread of disease, but it is also very different from shutting down all economic activity forever.

    In fact, we have disruptions like that all the time, such as hurricanes, blizzards, etc. It's called being resilient. We've gotten very complacent to think that a fortnight of slowed activity equals global doom.
    Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2020 09:39 AM (cfSRQ)

    135 I guess we know tonight's musical selection.
    Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 28, 2020 09:39 AM (Dc2NZ)

    136 Almost naked young Liz Taylor. So tantalizing, so close, so almost!
    Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 28, 2020 09:32 AM (gd9RK)

    Yeah, I think today might be "epic" day. Follow up Taylor with The Ten Commandments for a slinky Anne Baxter and sloe-eyed Yvonne De Carlo.
    Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 28, 2020 09:39 AM (2JVJo)

    137 123 Nope, I'm letting the beard go feral. Just shave my neck because of itching.

    I'm going to come out of this looking like a grey Viking.
    Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 28, 2020 09:35 AM (gd9RK)


    The first robbins are days away.
    Then it's time to shave..............
    Until the first frost.

    And living here in the Frozen Tundra that could be a 2 week window.
    Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 28, 2020 09:40 AM (aA3+G)

    138 The last thing this country needs now is more people walking around looking like idiots.
    Where.
    In THE hell.
    Do you think
    you are?
    Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at March 28, 2020 09:40 AM (8IOEj)

    139 How much spendy Scotch etc. went into the making of Cleopatra? Probably cause a world-wide shortage of the good stuff. Lawrence of Arabia, too.
    Posted by: klaftern at March 28, 2020 09:40 AM (RuIsu)

    140 Where's jackstraw when we need him?
    Posted by: RI Red at March 28, 2020 09:33 AM (p/KmR)
    ~~~~~

    I think that's him on the Jamestown Bridge. He's the peg-legged guy with the eye patch, wielding his cutlass at the invaders.
    Posted by: IrishEi at March 28, 2020 09:41 AM (sGotD)

    I've met him, IrishEi. He does not have an eye patch.
    But stay out of cutlass length.

    Posted by: RI Red at March 28, 2020 09:53 AM (p/KmR)

    184 Yes and you can watch on demand films too
    Posted by: CN at March 28, 2020 09:52 AM (ONvIw)

    question 2 : Can you stream it for free ?

    Posted by: runner at March 28, 2020 09:53 AM (zr5Kq)

    185 Didja see Trump's nickname for the Governor of Michigan?

    Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump
    I love Michigan, one of the reasons we are doing such a GREAT job for them during this horrible Pandemic. Yet your Governor, Gretchen "Half" Whitmer is way in over her head, she doesn't have a clue. Likes blaming everyone for her own ineptitude! #MAGA

    Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at March 28, 2020 09:53 AM (+y/Ru)

    186 I've never seen Ben-Hur.

    Nor Spartacus, though I have seen the deleted Jean Simmons topless bit.

    Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 28, 2020 09:53 AM (gd9RK)

    187 Oh shit

    Posted by: RI Red at March 28, 2020 09:54 AM (p/KmR)

    188 *sniff*

    That poetry really hit me where I live, man.

    Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
    at March 28, 2020 09:54 AM (WEBkv)

    189 Fenelon, you can add me to the list of people who don't understand why letting criminals out of jail to prevent coronavirus is a good thing. I can find no good explanation. I know inmates get medical attention when they need it, so it can't be that.

    Posted by: bluebell at March 28, 2020 09:54 AM (/669Q)

    190 Posted by: RI Red at March 28, 2020 09:53 AM (p/KmR)



    Will be sheltering in place in the Barrel.

    Posted by: Vendette at March 28, 2020 09:54 AM (nRNOc)

    191 KaBOOOM!

    Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at March 28, 2020 09:54 AM (3DZIZ)

    192 The chariot race might very well be the best minutes of cinematography ever made.

    Posted by: Skip at March 28, 2020 09:54 AM (ZCEU2)

    193 Posted by: RI Red at March 28, 2020 09:53 AM (p/KmR)

    Pleased to meet, can't you guess my name

    Posted by: Das Barrel at March 28, 2020 09:54 AM (BiNEL)

    194 RIRed to the barrel.
    RIRed to the barrel

    Posted by: Winston a dreg of society at March 28, 2020 09:55 AM (TYQsd)

    195 Are there handiwipes in The Barrel?

    Posted by: RI Red at March 28, 2020 09:55 AM (p/KmR)

    196 Watching Ben Hur tonight. I don't think I've ever seen it in entirety (only parts of it as a kid).

    Been watching Hitchcock. Saboteur (co-written by Dorothy Parker, and you can tell). Dial M for Murder -- essentially a stage play, very well written. Ray Milland makes it work.
    Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at March 28, 2020 09:48 AM (H8QX


    If you ever have a chance, watch the 1925 silent, with Ramon Novarro as Judah and Francis X Bushman as Messala. It really is an extraordinary experience.

    Here's the chariot race:

    https://tinyurl.com/wvnvhk4

    Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 28, 2020 09:55 AM (2JVJo)

    197 Its deja-vu all over again !

    Posted by: JT at March 28, 2020 09:55 AM (arJlL)

    198 It's interesting that for three terms Il Duce Cuomo was governor he wasted millions on his pet political projects and failed to prepare, and now it's everyone else's fault.

    Cuomo, DeDouchio, the legislature and the NYC residents also gave a big FU to everyone outside the NYC orbit. Now they are fleeing to the suburbs and raiding their stocks like thousands of Turncoat Typhoid Mary's.

    Honestly, F them. You don't get the government you deserve, you get the clowns you decided to elect. Enjoy it.

    Where are all those people who a few short months I were stomping on people in the minority party and telling us how government is the answer to everything? Seems to me their fleeing to the updates suburbs and other states, some of who have now said F off, and we'll arrest you if you don't quarantine.

    Their ain't a lot of goodwill for people who have demonstrably been bullies, created their own situation, and now have to eat their own dicks while stealing from everyone else and infecting their families.

    Posted by: Hesco Gypsy, staring from 457 meters at March 28, 2020 09:55 AM (m/eiQ)

    199 Are there handiwipes in The Barrel?



    You'll find out.

    Posted by: The Barrel at March 28, 2020 09:55 AM (zr5Kq)

    200 184 Yes and you can watch on demand films too
    Posted by: CN at March 28, 2020 09:52 AM (ONvIw)

    question 2 : Can you stream it for free ?
    Posted by: runner at March 28, 2020 09:53 AM (zr5Kq)

    I do

    Posted by: CN at March 28, 2020 09:55 AM (ONvIw)

    201 1. There is no attempt by the general public to
    demand to see the assumptions and the underlying methodology or analysis
    that was used to justify the shutdown.




    Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 28, 2020 09:49 AM (Xesvh)

    ---
    I strongly disagree. I've seen very robust and highly public debates about models and calculations.

    The problem is that there are no reliable numbers. At that point, everything's an assumption.

    So what do you do in that situation? Cross your fingers and hope we "power through?"

    That's basically the H1N1 response. Does anyone consider that ideal? A model to be repeated?

    This is like the Battle of the Atlantic - there's a lag built into figuring out what works and what doesn't.

    Churchill wrote that it was the only thing that ever truly frightened him, and it bothered him that the only way they could track it was by watching a damned line move across paper charts.

    Same thing applies here. Shutdowns will take two weeks to be effective. So we wait and try to get tests out there.

    In about a week we'll have a better idea what's going on.

    Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2020 09:55 AM (cfSRQ)

    202 158 Aah, Insom. Great insight and you talked me back from the edge.
    Good morning!
    Posted by: RI Red at March 28, 2020 09:45 AM (p/KmR)

    I do what I can. Good morning to you!

    Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at March 28, 2020 09:56 AM (NWiLs)

    203 183 rhode island red, barrel calling.
    Whew, didja post the ENTIRE thread?

    Posted by: getting the banned back together to cut n paste en masse at March 28, 2020 09:56 AM (OGYUi)

    204 No love for Ben-Hur?
    Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 28, 2020 09:49 AM (2JVJo)
    ------
    The last time I saw Ben Hur was when I was in high school. One of the local L. A. stations broadcast it, with much fanfare, with the first hour or more being commercial-free. Well, I guess they made up fir it later in the movie, because commercial breaks started getting longer and more frequent. Toward tge end, they were showing five minutes of movie, then five minutes of commercials. It was a death-march to get to the end.

    Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Lone Fire at March 28, 2020 09:56 AM (g8Yc+)

    205 Fenelon, you can add me to the list of people who don't understand why letting criminals out of jail to prevent coronavirus is a good thing. I can find no good explanation. I know inmates get medical attention when they need it, so it can't be that.

    Posted by: bluebell at March 28, 2020 09:54 AM (/669Q)



    So long as every corrections officer and support staff member gets home safe at night...

    Posted by: Das Barrel at March 28, 2020 09:57 AM (BiNEL)

    206 There's a first for everything.

    I'm askeered. . .

    Posted by: RI Red at March 28, 2020 09:57 AM (p/KmR)

    207 149 Assessing the size of the economic downturn, will require continuous reassessment of the scale of the damage, just like the virus. I will not hold against someone changing their mind."

    The difference between the situations is that with the virus, we don't really know all of the key numbers - we're guessing, based on incomplete information. We have no choice at the moment.

    With the economy, on the other hand, we DO know how that's going to progress, the world has seen deflationary death spirals before. It's one of the sets of circumstances that capitalist societies usually do not survive, and ours may not survive this one. As shutdowns begin at the retail level, they magnify throughout all parts of supply chain, and unemployment grows until *all* private business, except those which sell to the government or which serve the government, are gone. Who's going to buy new cars, for example, at 50% unemployment? Who's going to build new cars when none are being bought? Apply that model to every single consumer good.

    Our plan, currently, is.... interesting. We're going to try to meet the greatest deflationary wave in history, a hit that is going to be 2 - 3 times WORSE than the depths of the Great Depression, with the greatest government sponsored Inflationary wave since Germany, 1923. Can we calibrate this so precisely that the two balance each other and we achieve stability? That's what we're trying to pull off.

    Posted by: Tom Servo at March 28, 2020 09:57 AM (V2Yro)

    208 According to my wife, local snewz is talking up our first death from corona virus.

    I pointed out that one death, in the overall scheme of things, in our county is meaningless, considering car accidents, shootings, flu season, etc.

    But, somehow, one death from coronavirus is statistically significant.

    Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
    at March 28, 2020 09:57 AM (WEBkv)

    209 I thought the barrel was closed due to the thing.

    I thought we were supposed to self-barrel !

    Posted by: JT at March 28, 2020 09:57 AM (arJlL)

    210 RI Red, I'd give you some bleach and Clorox wipes for the barrel but unfortunately it seems we are all out, although I'll toss in a roll of tp.

    Oh, and you know the new rules about travel during these trying times. Shelter in place and all that. See you in #twoweeks!

    Posted by: bluebell at March 28, 2020 09:57 AM (/669Q)

    211 I don't know how much longer I can stand no live music.

    Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at March 28, 2020 09:58 AM (PUmDY)

    212 I see TCM is selling The Ten Commandments - both silent and sound versions - on Blu-Ray for seventeen bucks.

    Think I may have to grab that!

    Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 28, 2020 09:58 AM (2JVJo)

    213 I watched an early Kubrick effort, The Killing. It's a heist movie with a Treasure of the Sierra Madres finale. It's quite good. Trivia: The first movie Rodney Dangerfield (barely) appeared in. The crooks start a fight in a bar as a diversion and he's an extra sitting at the bar.

    Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at March 28, 2020 09:58 AM (+y/Ru)

    214 So, if someone with THE FLU shoots another person, is it a Flooting ?

    Posted by: JT at March 28, 2020 09:59 AM (arJlL)

    215 Wow. That was epic.

    Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at March 28, 2020 09:59 AM (NWiLs)

    216 So, if someone with THE FLU shoots another person, is it a Flooting ?
    Posted by: JT at March 28, 2020 09:59 AM (arJlL)
    --------------

    No, but it probably counts as a coronavirus death.

    And that's not even sarcasm.

    Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
    at March 28, 2020 10:00 AM (WEBkv)

    217 Anyway, on wuflu, two weeks isn't the big concern, IMO, it's what happens next. Our schools are shut til May 1st. Will that translate to all "non-essential" businesses shutting because their opening would preclude "distancing"?

    I'm looking forward to the projections out of the UK on how many have really already had this virus. I'm looking forward to common sense prevailing about Dr. Didier Raoult's research (it seems he has better credentials that Fauci on this matter".

    Posted by: CN at March 28, 2020 10:00 AM (ONvIw)

    218 Fenelon, you can add me to the list of people who don't understand why letting criminals out of jail to prevent coronavirus is a good thing.

    -
    While simultaneously banning gun sales.

    Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at March 28, 2020 10:01 AM (+y/Ru)

    219 171 I guess the two things about this COVID-19 silliness that bother me the most are:

    1. There is no attempt by the general public to demand to see the assumptions and the underlying methodology or analysis that was used to justify the shutdown.

    2. There is a definite lack of willingness on the general public's part to tell local governments that are acting like tyrants to FOAD, and to go about normally with just a few extra precautions for being exposed to a flu-like contagion.

    Anyone with two brain cells that rub together knows that government is gonna take advantage of anything extends their power and increases tax revenue.

    What we're seeing now is exactly what people like Hamilton, Madison, Jay, and Jefferson warned us about. And very few seem to care. But hey, they're gonna get a $1200 payout so it's all good, right?

    Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 28, 2020 09:49 AM

    This.

    Especially point #1.

    And it goes to show that the media --- no matter how many people ignorantly say that people don't believe them --- has immense power.

    Remember what they do regarding the Israel-"Palestine" conflict. Staging photos, censoring anything bad regarding "Palestine", not reporting on human shields, etc. They did the same thing in the Israel-Lebanon conflict.

    And they do the same thing with the illegal immigration issue. Remember the lies about "children in cages" and "children separated from their families", etc.

    And of course, we all know how they have been propagandizing about the "threat" of "global warming" for decades. To great success, as we have taxes and government regulations and bans affecting every industry in the country.

    This COVID-19 situation is no different. They show Italy as a tragedy, but do not bother to show the demographics of the deaths. Don't bother to inform people that Italy is counting anyone who dies now to be a COVID-19 death.

    They don't bother to talk about the cruise ship numbers and death rate and demographics.

    They don't bother to give any perspective of anything. Don't compare to seasonal flu, don't compare to H1N1, don't explain that likely millions of people have H1N1 and with more testing, that will show that the mortality rate is more in line with seasonal flu.

    The fact is that the media still has immense power and we are learning that a scary number of Americans believe everything they say and are even willing to give up their freedom and liberty based on what they say.

    Very worrisome for the future.

    Posted by: Clyde Shelton at March 28, 2020 10:01 AM (Do5/p)

    220 88 I warned you people. Just let it grow.

    Posted by: runner at March 28, 2020 09:16 AM (zr5Kq)

    speaking words of wisdom
    let it grow
    Posted by: vmom 2020 at March 28, 2020 09:28 AM (G546f)

    Concur...let it grow, let it grow

    Posted by: Eric Clapton at March 28, 2020 10:02 AM (gD6Ka)

    221 Bluebell, you are all heart.
    But at least I get a roll of TP!
    Hope I get out in time for the MoMe.

    Posted by: RI Red at March 28, 2020 10:02 AM (p/KmR)

    222 https://tinyurl.com/wvnvhk4

    Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 28, 2020 09:55 AM (2JVJo)

    Thanks, BTW, the CGI was fantastic!

    Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 28, 2020 10:03 AM (BiNEL)

    223 This COVID-19 situation is no different. They show Italy as a tragedy, but do not bother to show the demographics of the deaths. Don't bother to inform people that Italy is counting anyone who dies now to be a COVID-19 death.

    Very worrisome for the future.
    Posted by: Clyde Shelton at March 28, 2020 10:01 AM (Do5/p)
    -----------

    Funny thing, our local county coronavirus death, no idea the demographic or location of the death.

    It's almost like the news is hiding something.

    Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
    at March 28, 2020 10:03 AM (WEBkv)

    224 https://bit.ly/2xvAz3X
    *******
    Massive Protest Breaks Out in China's Hubei Province
    *******
    Chinese are getting a bit frisky

    Posted by: WuHAN Solo at March 28, 2020 10:03 AM (2isZE)

    225 Deep Elum Blues is bad ass.

    Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at March 28, 2020 10:04 AM (PUmDY)

    226 Ok. Everyone shelter in place so you don't spread the virus. You dangerous people incarcerated and by definition "sheltering" in place, you're free to go, spread the virus and cause general mayhem. Said nobody ever.

    Posted by: Hesco Gypsy, staring from 457 meters at March 28, 2020 10:04 AM (m/eiQ)

    227 The 1925 Ben-Hur is pretty striking, but what I wouldn't give to see the stage play. The show was on the road when its author, who had a few other accomplishments in his life, was still alive to collect the royalties.

    They had a treadmill set that allowed the chariot race to take place live on stage, and they toured with a full train load of stage equipment that was supposed to weigh 40 tons.

    Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at March 28, 2020 10:05 AM (8IOEj)

    228 Song:

    There's an awful lot of coffee in Brazil

    Swingin'

    Posted by: getting the banned back together at maxwells house at March 28, 2020 10:05 AM (GpY4m)

    229 I've met him, IrishEi.
    Posted by: RI Red at March 28, 2020 09:53 AM (p/KmR)
    ~~~~~

    Seriously?! Thank God you survived.

    Posted by: IrishEi at March 28, 2020 10:05 AM (sGotD)

    230 189 Fenelon, you can add me to the list of people who don't understand why letting criminals out of jail to prevent coronavirus is a good thing. I can find no good explanation. I know inmates get medical attention when they need it, so it can't be that.

    Posted by: bluebell at March 28, 2020 09:54 AM (/669Q)

    Criminals good
    Law abiding citizens chumps

    Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 28, 2020 10:06 AM (aA3+G)

    231 https://bit.ly/2UmPZQO
    ********
    Doctor: Coronavirus Death Rate is Likely Much Different Than We First Thought - YouTube
    ********
    Caution Benji Shapiro

    Posted by: WuHAN Solo at March 28, 2020 10:06 AM (2isZE)

    232 The question is figuring out how to curb the spread. Telling folks to take a couple of weeks off may be ineffective at halting the spread of disease, but it is also very different from shutting down all economic activity forever.

    In fact, we have disruptions like that all the time, such as hurricanes, blizzards, etc. It's called being resilient. We've gotten very complacent to think that a fortnight of slowed activity equals global doom.
    Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2020 09:39 AM (cfSRQ)


    The problem is that here, in Ohio, Gov. DeWine is saying that we may not reach the peak of virus cases until May and the head of our Dept. of Health is talking about up to 6K - 10K of new cases per day in two weeks. They are engaged in terrorizing the public rather than calming fears.

    We are currently at something like 900 confirmed cases with 15 dead. While that mortality rate sounds bad, it is skewed by the fact that only the more seriously ill are getting tested. If this virus is so dangerously outside the norm, shouldn't these cruise ships have become full of the dead and dying?

    Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at March 28, 2020 10:06 AM (00fXp)

    233 JackStraw is real ???

    Posted by: runner at March 28, 2020 10:06 AM (zr5Kq)

    234 Toward tge end, they were showing five minutes of movie, then five minutes of commercials. It was a death-march to get to the end.
    Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Lone Fire at March 28, 2020 09:56 AM (g8Yc+)

    To watch anything like that on commercial broadcast is excruciating - same for any long film. But when it's on TCM or available uncut and uninterrupted, I never miss it, and probably have seen it at least 20 times. I love the music too much, that is one of the best mid-century orchestral scores written, in fact I usually watch it JUST for the music. I can hear it in my head as a I type!

    It's also fascinating to compare the Charlton Heston version with the earlier silent version from the 20's, especially since they were both made by DeMille. The earlier version was much more true to the book, and focused much more on the politics of the day. But over the years, DeMille realized that people didn't want all of the political infighting, they wanted Roman Pageantry and the Spectacle of the Arena - and he was right, and he did it brilliantly. The Naval War scene, just to pick one of the set pieces, is probably the best film depiction of ancient naval warfare ever made, and a LOT of fun to watch!

    Posted by: Tom Servo at March 28, 2020 10:07 AM (V2Yro)

    235 For the STEM-inclined Morons, thus video shows how an infection is built and how "the curve is bent". The math is all hidden in the software, so you can see how the assumptions for speed of transmission and recovery change the curves everyone is talking about.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6nLfCbAzgo

    Posted by: FloridaMan -- still think this is all overreaction at March 28, 2020 10:07 AM (i8YPm)

    236 "Contemplations From The Barrel - Day One Of Sheltering In Place":
    What exactly is a "Hesco Gypsy"?

    Posted by: RI Red at March 28, 2020 10:07 AM (p/KmR)

    237 Take heart RI Red-

    The barrel is the one place on the planet that coronavirus is afraid to go. You'll be fine.

    Posted by: Muldoon at March 28, 2020 10:08 AM (m45I2)

    238 Sheesh, this place is getting so on-edge that someone can't post an entry from his dad's diary while he was on the battlefield in the Second World War without some of its contents being nitpicked.

    Posted by: Vendette at March 28, 2020 10:09 AM (nRNOc)

    239 Dead and Co with John Mayer is extra innings.

    Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at March 28, 2020 10:09 AM (PUmDY)

    240 The barrel is the one place on the planet that coronavirus is afraid to go.



    *Keith Richards is in the barrel ?

    Posted by: runner at March 28, 2020 10:09 AM (zr5Kq)

    241 Now, this may not be to everyone's taste, but a week ago, I saw The Honeymoon Killers, a 1971 movie about the real-life murderers Richard Fernandez and Martha Beck, who, in the 1940s ran a "lonely hearts" scam on older women, with Fernandez scamming them out of their money and either he or Beck (or both) then killing them.

    It was originally to be directed by Martin Scorsese, who was fired after a few days because he was too slow.

    It's a BandW film, very "cinema verite" and almost claustrophobic in its camera angles. It teeters at points towards MSTK3000 territory, but is still a chilling film, and one worth watching, I think.

    https://tinyurl.com/u785g6m

    Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 28, 2020 10:10 AM (2JVJo)

    242 JackStraw is real ???
    Posted by: runner at March 28, 2020 10:06 AM (zr5Kq)
    ----------

    Like RI Red, I have met him - twice! He is real and he is fabulous.

    Posted by: bluebell at March 28, 2020 10:10 AM (/669Q)

    243 The Barrel is the safest place you can be. COVID19 wouldn't dare to get within 6 feet of The Barrel.

    Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at March 28, 2020 10:10 AM (NWiLs)

    244 Sheesh, this place is getting so on-edge that someone can't post an entry from his dad's diary while he was on the battlefield in the Second World War without some of its contents being nitpicked.


    It's not this place. It's one asshat.

    Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 28, 2020 10:10 AM (gd9RK)

    245 our Dept. of Health is talking about up to 6K - 10K of new cases per day
    in two weeks. They are engaged in terrorizing the public rather than
    calming fears.


    I saw that this morning and nearly blew a gasket. Up to 10K a day? Where in the hell did they pull that projection from? Our munchkin governor seems to be reveling in stirring up panic.

    Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 28, 2020 10:11 AM (EgshT)

    246 "Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 28, 2020 09:49 AM "

    I suspect you may have seen how people react when the shit comes down. This is no different and when the battle is over, it's going to be very clear who stepped up, and who didn't.

    A crisis will bring out the best and worst in people. It will show you all their real intentions, weaknesses and their abilities as a leader. There's not a lot of time for bluster, nor room for the usual political head fakes. It has to come from intuition.

    If you're sitting home a few months from now and you're not thinking something akin to- "oh boy, these people left my family totally exposed, immediately yanked out rights, purposely spread malicious nonsense or otherwise took advantage of this situation, you deserve what you get the next time around.

    Posted by: Hesco Gypsy, staring from 457 meters at March 28, 2020 10:11 AM (m/eiQ)

    247
    The problem is that here, in Ohio, Gov. DeWine
    is saying that we may not reach the peak of virus cases until May and
    the head of our Dept. of Health is talking about up to 6K - 10K of new
    cases per day in two weeks. They are engaged in terrorizing the public
    rather than calming fears.


    Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at March 28, 2020 10:06 AM (00fXp)

    ---
    I'm not following Ohio closely, but it's true that there's a limit to what communities can stand. If a tactic is ineffective, you have to change it.

    The difficulty is that - like convoys and escorts on the Atlantic - it takes time to get the data to tell us that.

    Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2020 10:11 AM (cfSRQ)

    248 237 Take heart RI Red-

    The barrel is the one place on the planet that coronavirus is afraid to go. You'll be fine.
    Posted by: Muldoon at March 28, 2020 10:08 AM (m45I2)

    I was thinking that same thing but you beat me to it.

    Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at March 28, 2020 10:11 AM (NWiLs)

    249 Take heart RI Red-

    The barrel is the one place on the planet that coronavirus is afraid to go. You'll be fine.
    Posted by: Muldoon at March 28, 2020 10:08 AM (m45I2)


    Best part of the quarantine: I don't have to wash my hands anymore. As long as I'm nowhere near you swarthy, infectious animals, I am liberated from that mundane, pointless chore.

    And yet everyone keeps saying wash your hands.

    It is to laugh.

    Posted by: BurtTC at March 28, 2020 10:11 AM (hku12)

    250 I warned you people. Just let it grow.
    Posted by: runner at March 28, 2020 09:16 AM

    =====

    speaking words of wisdom
    let it grow
    Posted by: vmom 2020 at March 28, 2020 09:28 AM

    =====

    Concur...let it grow, let it grow
    Posted by: Eric Clapton at March 28, 2020 10:02 AM


    Because love grows where my Rosemary goes

    Posted by: Edison Lighthouse at March 28, 2020 10:12 AM (DMUuz)

    251 226 beat me to it, can't shelter in place better than a square jail cell locked in with bars

    Posted by: Skip at March 28, 2020 10:12 AM (ZCEU2)

    252 I have the blue-ray set of "Ben Hur" and "The Ten Commandments."

    That's some serious long-term viewing.

    We watch them like a miniseries - do half each night. I mean they built the intermission right into it!

    Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2020 10:12 AM (cfSRQ)

    253 I saw that this morning and nearly blew a gasket. Up to 10K a day? Where in the hell did they pull that projection from? Our munchkin governor seems to be reveling in stirring up panic.

    Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 28, 2020 10:11 AM (EgshT)


    Let me take a guess, your governor is a Democrap?

    Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 28, 2020 10:13 AM (BiNEL)

    254 208 According to my wife, local snewz is talking up our first death from corona virus.

    I pointed out that one death, in the overall scheme of things, in our county is meaningless, considering car accidents, shootings, flu season, etc.

    But, somehow, one death from coronavirus is statistically significant.

    Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
    at March 28, 2020 09:57 AM


    It most certainly is. Because so long there is one death reported in any area, the Mayor or Governor is going to keep the area on 'stay-at-home' orders.

    So those talking about "2 weeks" or "15 days" being a-okay are fooling themselves. Cuomo probably screwed up when he let it slip that he expected this to last months.

    THAT is what the Democrats have planned for this. "Because if we can save just one life..."

    Get ready for a long year...

    Posted by: Clyde Shelton at March 28, 2020 10:13 AM (Do5/p)

    255 I can find no good explanation. I know inmates get medical attention when they need it, so it can't be that.

    Posted by: bluebell at March 28, 2020 09:54 AM (/669Q)

    I understand why, although I don't like it or agree with it. They're scared that with a crowded and unsavory population, any infection could quickly run rampant throughout the entire population. And when that happened, *every* guard and officer would catch it in turn, because the inmates would be trying to give it to them. (you know they would)

    so this is basically the Prison system saying "hey we ain't takin' that risk, here's the keys, all you guys go home now." They're choosing to protect themselves over protecting us.

    (now if I was Dictator, I could think of a much simpler way to guarantee that disease never spread throughout the prison, while simultaneously guaranteeing absolute protection for the citizenry.)

    Posted by: Tom Servo at March 28, 2020 10:13 AM (V2Yro)

    256 I was thinking that same thing but you beat me to it.

    Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at March 28, 2020 10:11 AM (NWiLs)


    Be better!

    Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 28, 2020 10:14 AM (BiNEL)

    257 Agree with Bluebell. But the peg leg is initially off-putting.

    Posted by: RI Red at March 28, 2020 10:14 AM (p/KmR)

    258 Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2020 09:55 AM (cfSRQ)

    That debate is out there in specialized segments of the scientific community, but the general public isn't interested and there's no widespread debate or discussion of something that has the potential to alter or destroy individual liberty and freedom.

    Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 28, 2020 10:14 AM (Xesvh)

    259 joe biden was hammering on Trump about the lack of ventilators and saying he needs to do more.

    Turns out that the Government was told it needed to stockpile more ventilators in case of a disease like this since 2003. From CNN:


    "The US government was warned 10 times in a 13 year span about a lack of ventilators in the event of an outbreak."

    Most of that time was with obama and biden at the helm.

    Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at March 28, 2020 10:14 AM (JUOKG)

    260 1925 Ben Hur was one of the earliest scandalously-expensive near flops. They had to pull out of Italy, and rebuild a lot of sets back home in California to avoid wasting thousands of feet of film. Changed directors a couple of times, all the things Hollywood became famous for years later.

    The maritime sequence was filmed at Anzio. Rumors are that military authorities thought they had superior intel for that site because of notes from the film crew, and that's why that beach was chosen. The original was a near fiasco: extras lied about being able to swim, there were accidents with typically south-Italian levels of record-keeping, and fights broke out between fascists and the other left.


    In just the same way that I laugh up my sleeve whenever someone remakes a Charlton Heston film, the 1959 Heston film was laughed at by serious critics. Why the hell would you re-shoot the greatest footage ever framed?

    Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at March 28, 2020 10:14 AM (8IOEj)

    261 our Dept. of Health is talking about up to 6K - 10K of new cases per day in two weeks. They are engaged in terrorizing the public rather than calming fears.

    -
    But it's good terrorism.

    Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at March 28, 2020 10:14 AM (+y/Ru)

    262 1. There is no attempt by the general public to demand to see the assumptions and the underlying methodology or analysis that was used to justify the shutdown. Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead

    *******

    I agree with you on this. Nobody in the public eye seems willing to question the premise that these restrictive measures actually accomplish what they purport to. Nobody is pushing back against the very large "IF" that begins all of these orders. And regardless of the outcomes, they will bask in the glory of "it's a good thing we did that, else it would have been so much worse."

    The direct and indirect adverse effects of these measures will never be fully accounted, and no one held responsible for the down sides.

    Posted by: Muldoon at March 28, 2020 10:14 AM (m45I2)

    263 Back from a walk outside the wire, made my way to the circle k and back. It was dicey there for a bit, but my years in the military helped. I'll be damned if they're going to take my freedom away. I paid my price for providing freedoms for others, fuck these power tripping governors,

    Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at March 28, 2020 10:15 AM (8JqLB)

    264 Fmr. senator Tom Coburn (R-OK). Prostrate cancer. 81.

    Posted by: Tami at March 28, 2020 10:15 AM (cF8AT)

    265 Let me take a guess, your governor is a Democrap?

    In all aspects except for the (R) that appears next to his name.

    Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 28, 2020 10:15 AM (EgshT)

    266 Agree with Bluebell. But the peg leg is initially off-putting.
    Posted by: RI Red at March 28, 2020 10:14 AM (p/KmR)
    ------------

    It wouldn't be if he didn't insist on wearing shorts and the time. The hook hand, well, that's another matter.

    But I liked his big gold hoop earring!

    Posted by: bluebell at March 28, 2020 10:15 AM (/669Q)

    267 Sheesh, this place is getting so on-edge that someone can't post an entry from his dad's diary while he was on the battlefield in the Second World War without some of its contents being nitpicked.

    ------------------
    It's not this place. It's one asshat.
    Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 28, 2020 10:10 AM (gd9RK)


    This place is so much easier to read, if you just scroll past certain names.

    Posted by: BurtTC at March 28, 2020 10:16 AM (hku12)

    268 A trifle late to the coffee party, but I thought I'd drop in. Going to be hot today, so I'm going out to touch up a couple of paint nicks on my car, which I washed earlier, and then I'll retreat indoors again.

    You know, this quarantine thing isn't a whole lot different from what I have to do all summer (approx. 9 months of it) in this nasty swamp. I huddle indoors and wait for the sun to go down -- though the temps don't cool off much even then. The only real difference is that I'm not commuting to and from work.

    Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius i/b] at March 28, 2020 10:16 AM (rpbg1)

    269
    Concur...let it grow, let it grow
    Posted by: Eric Clapton at March 28, 2020 10:02 AM

    Because love grows where my Rosemary goes
    Posted by: Edison Lighthouse at March 28, 2020 10:12 AM (DMUuz)

    There we go, thanks for running with the theme *fistbump*

    Posted by: browndog at March 28, 2020 10:16 AM (gD6Ka)

    270 256 I was thinking that same thing but you beat me to it.

    Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at March 28, 2020 10:11 AM (NWiLs)

    Be better!
    Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 28, 2020 10:14 AM (BiNEL)

    Bite me.

    Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at March 28, 2020 10:16 AM (NWiLs)

    271 It's not this place. It's one asshat.

    Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 28, 2020 10:10 AM (gd9RK)

    ---
    I love you, too.

    Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2020 10:16 AM (cfSRQ)

    272 Bite me.
    Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at March 28, 2020 10:16 AM (NWiLs)

    --------------

    Okay.

    Posted by: baby shark do doo do do at March 28, 2020 10:17 AM (WEBkv)

    273 They don't bother to give any perspective of anything. Don't compare to seasonal flu, don't compare to H1N1, don't explain that likely millions of people have H1N1 and with more testing, that will show that the mortality rate is more in line with seasonal flu.

    Posted by: Clyde Shelton at March 28, 2020 10:01 AM

    UGH.

    That should say...

    "...don't explain that likely millions of people have COVID-19 and with more testing, that will show that the mortality rate is more in line with seasonal flu."

    Posted by: Clyde Shelton at March 28, 2020 10:17 AM (Do5/p)

    274 "The US government was warned 10 times in a 13 year span about a lack of ventilators in the event of an outbreak."

    Most of that time was with obama and biden at the helm.

    -
    Cooper Asks Biden Why Didn't Obama Admin Replace N95 Masks, Biden Says 'I Wasn't Part Of It'

    Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at March 28, 2020 10:18 AM (+y/Ru)

    275 OK, it's movie time.

    Hope you all have a lovely day.

    Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 28, 2020 10:18 AM (2JVJo)

    276 That debate is out there in specialized segments of the scientific community, but the general public isn't interested and there's no widespread debate or discussion of something that has the potential to alter or destroy individual liberty and freedom.

    Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 28, 2020 10:14 AM (Xesvh)


    Here at AoS people complain (mostly sarcastically) about the appearance of the maths, what do you think the GenPop attitude is towards time-dependent multi-variable statistics based on limited and evolving data sets?

    Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 28, 2020 10:18 AM (BiNEL)

    277 Pay per view Moron fight !

    Posted by: runner at March 28, 2020 10:18 AM (zr5Kq)

    278 Like any of this is about saving lives. They hate us and want us dead.

    All about tanking the economy as their last attempt to get PDT out of their way ... which seems to be as full of fail as every other plan they have tried.

    Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at March 28, 2020 10:18 AM (cqteU)

    279 The problem is that here, in Ohio, Gov. DeWine
    is saying that we may not reach the peak of virus cases until May and the head of our Dept. of Health is talking about up to 6K - 10K of new cases per day in two weeks. They are engaged in terrorizing the public
    rather than calming fears.

    Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at March 28, 2020 10:06 AM (00fXp)

    Funny how Gov. DeWine is praised for his leadership on MSNBC

    ---

    Posted by: FloridaMan -- still think this is all overreaction at March 28, 2020 10:18 AM (i8YPm)

    280 Posted by: FloridaMan -- still think this is all overreaction at March 28, 2020 10:07 AM (i8YPm)

    Diff EQ. In the morning!? You. Are. An. Animal.

    Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 28, 2020 10:19 AM (Xesvh)

    281 I've never heard of a "fabulous" pirate. Just sayin'.

    Posted by: IrishEi at March 28, 2020 10:19 AM (sGotD)

    282 Tom Servo, thanks for the explanation. I would have thought they would have some better process in place for situations like this though. There are other contagious things that show up every year.

    Posted by: bluebell at March 28, 2020 10:19 AM (/669Q)

    283 Well, time to gear up and start disassembling the old backyard shed in order to get ready for the new shed.

    Yay me!

    ....anyone want an old battered metal shed that is hard on heads if one stands up to quickly?

    Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
    at March 28, 2020 10:19 AM (WEBkv)

    284 272 Bite me.
    Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at March 28, 2020 10:16 AM (NWiLs)

    --------------

    Okay.
    Posted by: baby shark do doo do do at March 28, 2020 10:17 AM (WEBkv)

    No no no no NO NO NO NOOOOO!!!'

    Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at March 28, 2020 10:19 AM (NWiLs)

    285 " Effective at midnight that day, all schools (public, private, and parochial), theaters, movie houses, churches and Sunday schools were ordered closed, and all public or private meetings either indoors or outdoors were prohibited. Saloons were not included in the order, the Board taking the position that a distinction could not be made between restaurants and saloons. Two days later, however, the Board modified the order: saloons could remain open, but liquor had to be sold in bottles and consumed off-premises."

    Cincinnati, OH during the 1918-1919 spanish flu
    https://tinyurl.com/qlrvpaz

    Posted by: ghbucky at March 28, 2020 10:19 AM (s9Eo8)

    286
    what do you think the GenPop attitude is towards time-dependent multi-variable statistics based on limited and evolving data sets?
    Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 28, 2020 10:18 AM (BiNEL)


    "Dude, like, I can only get two bars on my phone!"

    Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at March 28, 2020 10:20 AM (7rVsF)

    287 Cooper Asks Biden Why Didn't Obama Admin Replace N95 Masks, Biden Says 'I Wasn't Part Of It'

    Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at March 28, 2020 10:18 AM (+y/Ru)


    Wasn't Biden too busy curing cancer to be bothered with petty things like warehouse inventory?

    Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 28, 2020 10:20 AM (BiNEL)

    288 "what do you think the GenPop attitude is towards time-dependent multi-variable statistics based on limited and evolving data sets?
    Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 28, 2020 10:18 AM (BiNEL) "

    My brain hurts just from reading that.

    Posted by: Hesco Gypsy, staring from 457 meters at March 28, 2020 10:21 AM (m/eiQ)

    289 Diff EQ. In the morning!? You. Are. An. Animal.
    Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 28, 2020 10:19 AM (Xesvh)
    ---------

    It's all right there in his nic.

    Posted by: bluebell at March 28, 2020 10:21 AM (/669Q)

    290 Wow the Rhode Island Governor is going to use the National Guard to conduct House to house searches for people from NYC and forcibly quarantine them if they don't do it voluntarily.


    They are also going to station the National Guard at Amtrak stations and the Airport checking everyone's papers and forcibly make anyone from NYC self-quarantine for 2 weeks.

    Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at March 28, 2020 10:21 AM (JUOKG)

    291 Wasn't Biden too busy curing cancer to be bothered with petty things like warehouse inventory?
    Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 28, 2020 10:20 AM (BiNEL)
    ------------
    No no no, Sheriff Joe was making sure the stimulus package lined the correct pockets, I mean, looked out for the American taxpayer and made sure every penny was strictly accounted for.

    Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
    at March 28, 2020 10:22 AM (WEBkv)

    292 They arrested some x Venezuelan leader and brought his ass to a US Judge.

    I thought we just kill overseas baddies.

    Xi Jinping....put up your hands. One move and ill turn u'r brains into Ramen noodles.

    Posted by: Humphreyrobot at March 28, 2020 10:22 AM (K1HDO)

    293
    Should be cooler today, so I'll be doing battle around the pond out in the back forty. Unless Her Majesty has other ideas. Which is likely.

    Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at March 28, 2020 10:23 AM (7rVsF)

    294 The direct and indirect adverse effects of these measures will never be fully accounted, and no one held responsible for the down sides.

    Posted by: Muldoon at March 28, 2020 10:14 AM (m45I2)

    Concur. We're getting the government we deserve, good and hard.

    Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 28, 2020 10:23 AM (Xesvh)

    295 >Can't shelter in place better than a square jail cell locked in with bars

    That assumes that the dems are not pro-virus.

    Posted by: BourbonChicken at March 28, 2020 10:23 AM (LxTcq)

    296 They are also going to station the National Guard at Amtrak stations and the Airport checking everyone's papers and forcibly make anyone from NYC self-quarantine for 2 weeks.

    Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at March 28, 2020 10:21 AM (JUOKG)


    I've been on this blog long enough that I can remember when people laughed at the
    "Your papers, please!"
    line.

    Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 28, 2020 10:23 AM (BiNEL)

    297
    UGH.



    That should say...



    "...don't explain that likely millions of people have COVID-19 and with more testing, that will show that the mortality rate is more in line with seasonal flu."

    Posted by: Clyde Shelton at March 28, 2020 10:17 AM (Do5/p)

    ---
    The problem is we don't know.

    There are no numbers. The H1N1 ran its course. It's in the books. We can graph it, chart it, measure it.

    Honestly, it's like U-boat warfare. The Allies had the example of WW I in terms of how to defeat them and even the cool new ASDIC technology, which the Brits thought was pretty much a super-weapon.

    But it wasn't a replay, and new tactics (and weapons) were needed. This was only discovered from new numbers.

    By the way, there's no cause to be disrespectful in this discussion. Right now the question is how one estimates risk and I'm honest that I don't know.

    No one else knows, either, which is I think the big source of tension regarding this.

    Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2020 10:23 AM (cfSRQ)

    298 Fmr. senator Tom Coburn (R-OK). Prostrate cancer. 81.
    Posted by: Tami at March 28, 2020 10:15 AM (cF8AT)
    -----------

    I didn't know what you meant but I just got an email alert from Fox News that he passed away. RIP.

    Posted by: bluebell at March 28, 2020 10:24 AM (/669Q)

    299 Xi Jinping....put up your hands. One move and ill turn u'r brains into Ramen noodles.
    Posted by: Humphreyrobot

    Muh Gooey Jinping Jack Flash

    Posted by: Bruce at March 28, 2020 10:25 AM (vd8XM)

    300 The direct and indirect adverse effects of these measures will never be fully accounted, and no one Democrat held responsible for the down sides.

    Posted by: Muldoon at March 28, 2020 10:14 AM (m45I2)

    Might I suggest...

    Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 28, 2020 10:25 AM (BiNEL)

    301 They are also going to station the National Guard
    at Amtrak stations and the Airport checking everyone's papers and
    forcibly make anyone from NYC self-quarantine for 2 weeks.



    Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at March 28, 2020 10:21 AM (JUOKG)



    I've been on this blog long enough that I can remember when people laughed at the

    "Your papers, please!"

    line.


    Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 28, 2020 10:23 AM

    ---

    She was going to close the borders of her State but her staff apparently talked her out of that.


    That woman is insane. Even the ACLU is after her. It takes a bunch to have them sue a democrat.

    Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at March 28, 2020 10:25 AM (JUOKG)

    302 Watched about 20 minutes of Joe Biden Town Hall on Anderson Cooper last night. After a couple of softballs about "how are you doing?", Biden got a couple of substantive questions, and, like most politicians, he gave a vague answer to before complaining about Trump. But, he was coherent.

    The last straw was when Cooper followed up his own question with a suggested answer for Biden, which he grabbed onto. Then i switched off.


    Posted by: FloridaMan -- still think this is all overreaction at March 28, 2020 10:25 AM (i8YPm)

    303 Drama queen, 'look at ME' Meghan McCain is doing her part to calm the waters...

    @MeghanMcCain

    I think one of the biggest heartbreaks for those of us who have said for years that this is the greatest country in the world - is it was literally unfathomable that we could be a mere 4 weeks away from complete and utter calamity...that our institutions are broken beyond repair

    Posted by: Tami at March 28, 2020 10:26 AM (cF8AT)

    304 I'm not following Ohio closely, but it's true that there's a limit to what communities can stand. If a tactic is ineffective, you have to change it.

    The difficulty is that - like convoys and escorts on the Atlantic - it takes time to get the data to tell us that.

    Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2020 10:11 AM

    I don't know if you realize it or not, but you are making the same case that "climate change" warriors make.

    If we get some scary projections that we're not sure if they are correct or not, better go on the side of caution and take the recommended actions.

    Posted by: Clyde Shelton at March 28, 2020 10:26 AM (Do5/p)

    305 Boy the Daily Mail is just full of sunshine and cheer, isn't it?

    Posted by: Jordan61 at March 28, 2020 10:26 AM (6ofTb)

    306 Query: Assuming I survive down here, once I get out, will I respect the NH Governor's order closing down all non-essential businesses at midnight Friday?
    I have a date with my club's outdoor range where the shooting tables are at least 6' apart. And there's a breeze.
    Orders? We don't need no steenking Orders!

    Posted by: RI Red at March 28, 2020 10:26 AM (p/KmR)

    307 SHOW US YOUR PAPERS! You are undocumented? (Head explodes)

    Posted by: Blue state lefties at March 28, 2020 10:27 AM (9dzlp)

    308 303
    Drama queen, 'look at ME' Meghan McCain is doing her part to calm the waters...



    @MeghanMcCain



    I think one of the biggest heartbreaks for those of us who have said
    for years that this is the greatest country in the world - is it was
    literally unfathomable that we could be a mere 4 weeks away from
    complete and utter calamity...that our institutions are broken beyond
    repair

    Posted by: Tami at March 28, 2020 10:26 AM (cF8AT)

    #fourweeks

    Posted by: Jordan61 at March 28, 2020 10:27 AM (6ofTb)

    309 Here at AoS people complain (mostly sarcastically) about the appearance of the maths, what do you think the GenPop attitude is towards time-dependent multi-variable statistics based on limited and evolving data sets?

    Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 28, 2020 10:18 AM (BiNEL)

    Well, given that $1200 dollars is going to mitigate the effects of personal and public economic disaster, my guess would be "that shit is real retarded, sir"

    Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 28, 2020 10:28 AM (Xesvh)

    310 @MeghanMcCain

    I think one of the biggest heartbreaks for those of us who have said for years that this is the greatest country in the world - is it was literally unfathomable that we could be a mere 4 weeks away from complete and utter calamity...that our institutions are broken beyond repair
    Posted by: Tami at March 28, 2020 10:26 AM (cF8AT)
    -----------

    And the next tweet will be "how could this happen while my father's funeral is still ongoing??!!?!?!"

    Posted by: bluebell at March 28, 2020 10:28 AM (/669Q)

    311 Wow the Rhode Island Governor is going to use the National Guard to conduct House to house searches for people from NYC and forcibly quarantine them if they don't do it voluntarily.


    They are also going to station the National Guard at Amtrak stations and the Airport checking everyone's papers and forcibly make anyone from NYC self-quarantine for 2 weeks.
    Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at March 28, 2020 10:21 AM (JUOKG)


    I never understood why they call it the "National Guard." When I was in basic training, a century ago, we had a bunch of Nasty Girls in training with us. Not a damn one of them was worth a shit.

    Posted by: BurtTC at March 28, 2020 10:28 AM (hku12)

    312 Hope you all have a lovely day.

    -
    Is that supposed to be funny?

    Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at March 28, 2020 10:28 AM (+y/Ru)

    313
    @MeghanMcCain

    I think one of the biggest heartbreaks for those of us who have said for years that this is the greatest country in the world - is it was literally unfathomable that we could be a mere 4 weeks away from complete and utter calamity...that our institutions are broken beyond repair
    Posted by: Tami

    ==========

    I agree in general... just different institutions.

    Posted by: Blonde Morticia at March 28, 2020 10:28 AM (G51Gf)

    314 Had the windows open yesterday, but this morning it's freezing and looks like snow over the mountains next to me.

    Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at March 28, 2020 10:29 AM (8JqLB)

    315 Wow. Fox News fired Trish Regan.

    Yet Donna Brazile still has a job...fancy that.

    I keep telling youz guyz, Fox is willing to put out conservative content, as long as you pay additional for it. And that's what Fox Nation is all about.

    Posted by: IrishEi at March 28, 2020 10:29 AM (sGotD)

    316 I don't know if you realize it or not, but you are making the same case that "climate change" warriors make.

    If we get some scary projections that we're not sure if they are correct or not, better go on the side of caution and take the recommended actions.
    Posted by: Clyde Shelton at March 28, 2020 10:26 AM (Do5/p)

    Not even close to the same argument. The Chinese flu kills people. We know how to stop the spread of a deadly contagion. The question is are we willing to take the measures to stop it spreading and try to minimize how many it kills.

    In 1918 cities shut down for 2 months to contain the spanish flu, following the same measures we are being asked to do now.

    Posted by: ghbucky at March 28, 2020 10:29 AM (s9Eo8)

    317 292 They arrested some x Venezuelan leader and brought his ass to a US Judge.

    I thought we just kill overseas baddies.
    Xi Jinping....put up your hands. One move and ill turn u'r brains into Ramen noodles.
    Posted by: Humphreyrobot at March 28, 2020 10:22 AM (K1HDO)

    This story is a bit disappointing, hopefully the US will find some way to use him after dealing with the charges. First, was he a drug smuggler? Of COURSE he was, *Every* official in Venezuela has been heavily involved in that trade for years now. It truly is the best example of a Narco-gang taking over an entire state that we've ever seen.

    But this particular guy was only available for arrest because he was hiding out in Columbia because he had changed his tune and become one of Maduro's greatest critics. Kind of like a Trotsky hiding out in Mexico City. Maduro so far is just laughing at us taking out his enemies for him.

    Posted by: Tom Servo at March 28, 2020 10:29 AM (V2Yro)

    318 Regarding the economy vs lives argument, I'm with the Empress on the podcast this week. I feel she didn't use enough profanity though.

    Posted by: Ian S. at March 28, 2020 10:29 AM (6XLoz)

    319 255

    so this is basically the Prison system saying "hey we ain't takin' that risk, here's the keys, all you guys go home now." They're choosing to protect themselves over protecting us.

    (now if I was Dictator, I could think of a much simpler way to guarantee that disease never spread throughout the prison, while simultaneously guaranteeing absolute protection for the citizenry.)

    Posted by: Tom Servo at March 28, 2020 10:13 AM

    And let me guess, none of these prisoners were tested for COVID-19 before being allowed to run back into the population?

    Something that would, you know, be helpful in, you know, "preventing the spread".

    Posted by: Clyde Shelton at March 28, 2020 10:30 AM (Do5/p)

    320 Well...if we're all gonna be dead in #twoweeks, I've got a lot of degeneracy and debauchery I need to engage in.

    Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at March 28, 2020 10:31 AM (NWiLs)

    321 But it wasn't a replay, and new tactics (and weapons) were needed. This was only discovered from new numbers.

    This (c.f. U-505).

    Posted by: Task Group 22.3 at March 28, 2020 10:31 AM (DMUuz)

    322 ALL the Dem pols seem to be VENTILATORING these days, is that BETTER than BLOVIATING..AXE then seriously AXE then....with a blunt one..................

    Posted by: saf at March 28, 2020 10:31 AM (5IHGB)

    323 Well...if we're all gonna be dead in #twoweeks, I've got a lot of degeneracy and debauchery I need to engage in.
    Posted by: Insomniac

    You mean more then you're doing now?

    OMG!

    Posted by: Bruce at March 28, 2020 10:32 AM (vd8XM)

    324 it was literally unfathomable that we could be a mere 4 weeks away from complete and utter calamity...that our institutions are broken beyond repair
    Posted by: Tami
    ==========
    I agree in general... just different institutions.
    Posted by: Blonde Morticia at March 28, 2020 10:28 AM (G51Gf)

    we are always a mere 4 weeks away from complete and utter calamity, both culturally and personally - it's just that most of the time, we can convincingly lie to ourselves and pretend we're not.

    Posted by: Tom Servo at March 28, 2020 10:32 AM (V2Yro)

    325 Tucker speculated yesterday that biden will not be the democrat nominee and will be replaced by cuomo.


    We started saying that days ago.

    Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at March 28, 2020 10:32 AM (JUOKG)

    326
    I suppose if you wanted to disappear completely and remain undetected in a location of such utter obscurity that no one would even bother looking for you, Rhode Island would be the place.

    Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at March 28, 2020 10:32 AM (7rVsF)

    327 Yeah, Mr Scott, that's what I was rage-stroking about earlier. Made me lose my cool and ended up em-Barreled.
    Die Fuehrerin Raimondo of RI.

    Posted by: RI Red at March 28, 2020 10:32 AM (p/KmR)

    328 They are also going to station the National Guard at Amtrak stations and the Airport checking everyone's papers and forcibly make anyone from NYC self-quarantine for 2 weeks.

    -
    Old and busted: Sieg Heil!

    New hotness: Sieg Smile!

    Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at March 28, 2020 10:32 AM (+y/Ru)

    329 Well today promises to be different. I need to find my official Rhode Island papers before Johnny Law knocks down my door.

    Posted by: JackStraw at March 28, 2020 10:33 AM (ZLI7S)

    330 By the way, there's no cause to be disrespectful in this discussion. Right now the question is how one estimates risk and I'm honest that I don't know.

    No one else knows, either, which is I think the big source of tension regarding this.

    Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2020 10:23 AM (cfSRQ)


    Please stop being rational...

    Actually, your point is spot on, we have a contagious disease, with a source vector from the open society of Chinese Communism, with no insight as to how and when the initial disease outbreak spread. Initially all we had was a very few spotty and incomplete data points, but it was clear it was contagious.

    My concern has always been that given only a few out of context data points, I can probably model an epidemic that will kill the entire population of the earth in a matter of months.

    Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 28, 2020 10:33 AM (BiNEL)

    331 Well...if we're all gonna be dead in #twoweeks, I've got a lot of degeneracy and debauchery I need to engage in.
    Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at March 28, 2020 10:31 AM (NWiLs)


    I remember when I used to think that meant sex and drugs.

    Now it just means speculating as to whether nacho cheese sauce on ice cream would be a good thing.

    Posted by: BurtTC at March 28, 2020 10:33 AM (hku12)

    332 Well...if we're all gonna be dead in #twoweeks, I've got a lot of degeneracy and debauchery I need to engage in.
    Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at March 28, 2020 10:31 AM (NWiLs)


    Stream it live.

    Posted by: runner at March 28, 2020 10:33 AM (zr5Kq)

    333 In 1918 cities shut down for 2 months to contain the spanish flu, following the same measures we are being asked to do now.

    Posted by: ghbucky at March 28, 2020 10:29 AM (s9Eo

    I doubt that the local and the national economy in 1918 are similar enough in detail or magnitude to make that an effective comparison of today's local and national economies.

    Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 28, 2020 10:33 AM (Xesvh)

    334 Well today promises to be different. I need to find my official Rhode Island papers before Johnny Law knocks down my door.
    Posted by: JackStraw

    And shower up too.
    We're doing cavity searches....

    Posted by: Bruce at March 28, 2020 10:34 AM (vd8XM)

    335 And let me guess, none of these prisoners were tested for COVID-19 before being allowed to run back into the population?

    Something that would, you know, be helpful in, you know, "preventing the spread".
    Posted by: Clyde Shelton at March 28, 2020 10:30 AM (Do5/p)

    If you were named Lord Protector Cromwell, and you had a prison full of dangerous Irishmen that you didn't like very much, what would you do?

    Posted by: Tom Servo at March 28, 2020 10:34 AM (V2Yro)

    336 Well today promises to be different. I need to find my official Rhode Island papers before Johnny Law knocks down my door.
    Posted by: JackStraw at March 28, 2020 10:33 AM (ZLI7S)
    --------

    I hope you aren't harboring any New Yorkers.

    Posted by: bluebell at March 28, 2020 10:34 AM (/669Q)

    337 I just ordered peanut butter cups from a bakery in Brighton MI.

    End times.

    Posted by: sinmi at March 28, 2020 10:35 AM (A5IVt)

    338 I don't know if you realize it or not, but you are making the same case that "climate change" warriors make.



    If we get some scary projections that we're not sure if they are
    correct or not, better go on the side of caution and take the
    recommended actions.

    Posted by: Clyde Shelton at March 28, 2020 10:26 AM (Do5/p)

    ---
    How do you figure?

    My horizon for knowing if measures are effective is a couple of weeks.

    Climate change is based on far greater disruption that will only be capable of evaluation in a century.

    If anything, this is showing just how feeble climate modeling is because the models aren't consistent and don't agree with each other.

    The main point of disagreement between us I think is that you (and a lot of others here) are overestimating the economic risk while I lean on the side of worrying about the health risk.

    I think our economy will come roaring back once restrictions are lifted. I see people rapidly adjusting to the new conditions, businesses retooling for medical supplies -heck, my local store has toilet paper again!

    I also think that if a lot of people do end up dying or getting really sick, that will cause more severe and long-term damage to the economy.

    If people start keeling over, no one will go to work regardless of what the government says.

    It's not an easy call to make, that's for sure.

    Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2020 10:35 AM (cfSRQ)

    339
    280 Posted by: FloridaMan -- still think this is all overreaction at March 28, 2020 10:07 AM (i8YPm)

    Diff EQ. In the morning!? You. Are. An. Animal.
    Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 28, 2020 10:19 AM (Xesvh)

    Only a carcass. I knew it once upon a time. As the song goes, But that was once upon a time, very long ago.

    Posted by: FloridaMan -- still think this is all overreaction at March 28, 2020 10:36 AM (i8YPm)

    340 Well...if we're all gonna be dead in #twoweeks, I've got a lot of degeneracy and debauchery I need to engage in.
    Posted by: Insomniac
    -----
    Gives new meaning to DnD role playing.

    Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Lone Fire at March 28, 2020 10:36 AM (g8Yc+)

    341 Well today promises to be different. I need to find my official Rhode Island papers before Johnny Law knocks down my door.
    Posted by: JackStraw at March 28, 2020 10:33 AM (ZLI7S)
    --------

    I hope you aren't harboring any New Yorkers.

    Posted by: bluebell at March 28, 2020 10:34 AM (/669Q)


    Good golly, this is ripe for a re-working of the script of the opening scene from "Inglorious Basterds."

    Posted by: BurtTC at March 28, 2020 10:37 AM (hku12)

    342 School's been blown to pieces.

    Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at March 28, 2020 10:37 AM (PUmDY)

    343 I watched season 3 of Ozark yesterday, what should I watch today?

    Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at March 28, 2020 10:37 AM (8JqLB)

    344 "Posted by: JackStraw at March 28, 2020 10:33 AM (ZLI7S) "

    From what I've read here, they'll only find a bag of weed.

    Posted by: Hesco Gypsy, staring from 457 meters at March 28, 2020 10:37 AM (m/eiQ)

    345 Do they have milk farms on Rhode's Island? I assume they have milk farms on Rhode's Island.

    Posted by: BurtTC at March 28, 2020 10:38 AM (hku12)

    346 >>I hope you aren't harboring any New Yorkers.

    As if.

    I've been narcing them out to the cops for days.

    Posted by: JackStraw at March 28, 2020 10:38 AM (ZLI7S)

    347 328 They are also going to station the National Guard at Amtrak stations and the Airport checking everyone's papers and forcibly make anyone from NYC self-quarantine for 2 weeks.
    -
    Old and busted: Sieg Heil!
    New hotness: Sieg Smile!
    Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at March 28, 2020 10:32 AM (+y/Ru)

    I'm continually of two minds on this - perhaps most of us are. First reaction - "HA! You Deserve it you arrogant New York phucks!!!" Second Reaction - hell, this is not the kind of thing that should be going on between the states, this is really, really dangerous. *Especially* the house to house searches. Imagine if Trump was using troops to conduct house to house searches, looking for illegals.

    Posted by: Tom Servo at March 28, 2020 10:38 AM (V2Yro)

    348 Good morning, Mr. Straw!

    (everyone be nice to him now...for your own good.)

    Posted by: IrishEi at March 28, 2020 10:38 AM (sGotD)

    349 what do you think the GenPop attitude is towards time-dependent multi-variable statistics based on limited and evolving data sets?

    Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 28, 2020 10:18 AM

    Like, really? Like, I'm never going to, like, use or need that icky stuff in, like, real life.

    Posted by: General USA Population at March 28, 2020 10:38 AM (Do5/p)

    350 I doubt that the local and the national economy in 1918 are similar enough in detail or magnitude to make that an effective comparison of today's local and national economies.

    Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 28, 2020 10:33 AM (Xesvh)

    I think the economic impact in 1918 would be far greater than it is today. We have the ability to continue international commerce via remote working. Truck drivers are keeping stores stocked.

    We have a far more resilient economy than they did.

    Posted by: ghbucky at March 28, 2020 10:39 AM (s9Eo8)

    351 Posted by: ghbucky at March 28, 2020 10:29 AM (s9Eo

    The Coronavirus kills mostly older people with underlying conditions. The H1N1 killed people, mostly the young and healthy. Why the difference between the handling of these two pandemics ?

    Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at March 28, 2020 10:39 AM (2DOZq)

    352 Imagine if Trump was using troops to conduct house to house searches, looking for illegals.
    Posted by: Tom Servo

    Ahhh. You've brightened my day

    Posted by: Bruce at March 28, 2020 10:39 AM (vd8XM)

    353 Good thing their "spark of divinity" protects illegals from getting the Chinken Flu so they don't have to abide by quarantine rules.

    Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 28, 2020 10:39 AM (BiNEL)

    354 In 1918 cities shut down for 2 months to contain the spanish flu, following the same measures we are being asked to do now.



    Posted by: ghbucky at March 28, 2020 10:29 AM (s9Eo



    I doubt that the local and the national economy in 1918 are similar
    enough in detail or magnitude to make that an effective comparison of
    today's local and national economies.





    Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 28, 2020 10:33 AM

    ---

    They were not. Most of the stuff consumed then was grown or manufactured within 50-75 miles of the Town or City except for the very large metro areas like NYC.

    Luxury goods or certain fruits and vegetables came from much further but the vast majority of what was consumed was produced locally and would not be disrupted by the Town being shut down.

    Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at March 28, 2020 10:40 AM (JUOKG)

    355 >>Good morning, Mr. Straw!

    >>(everyone be nice to him now...for your own good.)


    Finally. A little R-E-S-P-E-C-T.

    Posted by: JackStraw at March 28, 2020 10:40 AM (ZLI7S)

    356 I doubt that the local and the national economy in
    1918 are similar enough in detail or magnitude to make that an effective
    comparison of today's local and national economies.





    Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 28, 2020 10:33 AM (Xesvh)

    ---
    More rural, more spread out. My grandparents had their own gardens, just in case. I think Victory Gardens were a thing.

    Don't forget, they subsequently voted to ban alcohol.

    The past is a foreign country.

    Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2020 10:40 AM (cfSRQ)

    357 They were not. Most of the stuff consumed then was grown or manufactured within 50-75 miles of the Town or City except for the very large metro areas like NYC.

    The original Farm to Table movement

    Posted by: Bruce at March 28, 2020 10:40 AM (vd8XM)

    358 Just about every non leftist knows Crazy old Joe isn't going to be Democrat nominee, he can't string a sentence together anymore.

    Posted by: Skip at March 28, 2020 10:42 AM (ZCEU2)

    359

    I would exempt the dead from going back to work,but that's just me.

    JoJo Biden

    Posted by: saf at March 28, 2020 10:42 AM (5IHGB)

    360 I watched season 3 of Ozark yesterday, what should I watch today?
    Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at March 28, 2020 10:37 AM (8JqLB)


    I've been watching the Mike Tyson Mysteries.

    It's a cartoon (from one of those comedy networks I don't watch), featuring Tyson, in something of a sendup of Scooby Doo type shows.

    One thing I never would have predicted is the complete image change for a guy like Tyson. I never thought he'd live this long, let alone turn into a thoughtful, funny, irreverent fella who absolutely does not take himself too seriously.

    The show is crude, but it's the fact that Tyson is willing to do something like this that is so revealing.

    Posted by: BurtTC at March 28, 2020 10:42 AM (hku12)

    361 Js, sunny side of the street is dark.

    Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at March 28, 2020 10:42 AM (PUmDY)

    362 Tucker speculated yesterday that biden will not be the democrat nominee and will be replaced by cuomo.


    We started saying that days ago.
    Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at March 28, 2020 10:32 AM (JUOKG)
    *******
    But Fucker told Trump what he needed to do about Bad Beer Virus or we would all be dead

    Posted by: WuHAN Solo at March 28, 2020 10:42 AM (2isZE)

    363 Boss what if we find a New Yorker who is undocumented. Ok got it... quarantine the documented ones and release the undocumented ones.... like the prisoners.

    Posted by: Blue state lefties at March 28, 2020 10:42 AM (9dzlp)

    364 The original Farm to Table movement
    Posted by: Bruce at March 28, 2020 10:40 AM (vd8XM)
    -----
    Don't even mention the mastication fad.

    Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Lone Fire at March 28, 2020 10:42 AM (g8Yc+)

    365 That's why Bernie won't officially drop out. He doesn't think biteme is gonna make it either. If Coumo gets it, burnie supporters could really lose it.

    Posted by: lin-duh at March 28, 2020 10:42 AM (UUBmN)

    366 Can anyone imagine the effect of Prohibition on this thread?

    Talk about hair on fire....

    Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2020 10:42 AM (cfSRQ)

    367 I think our economy will come roaring back once restrictions are lifted. I see people rapidly adjusting to the new conditions, businesses retooling for medical supplies -heck, my local store has toilet paper again!

    This is the main point where we differ - I already know of dozens of businesses, in my own daily life, that will *never* reopen, even after things get back to "normal". And my sphere is so limited!

    No, this economy is *NOT* going to come roaring back. We will be doing very well just to get it back to being self sustaining by this fall's election. But Morgan Stanley (and the rest of the top level forecasters) are predicting a 20% to 30% DROP in GDP for just the 2nd quarter - that is MORE damage than happened in all of the years of the Great Depression, combined.

    Posted by: Tom Servo at March 28, 2020 10:43 AM (V2Yro)

    368 I don't know why this movie got so much flack for being wasteful. It was very expensive but you saw every dollar up on screen.

    ----------

    There are those who believe that the studio deliberately tanked Marilyn's last movie to get the insurance to pay for the over runs on Cleopatra.

    Which put her into a depression she did not survive.

    Conspiracy theory?

    Posted by: Fox2! at March 28, 2020 10:43 AM (qyH+l)

    369 Well...if we're all gonna be dead in #twoweeks, I've got a lot of degeneracy and debauchery I need to engage in.
    Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at March 28, 2020 10:31 AM (NWiLs)
    Stream it live.
    Posted by: runner at March 28, 2020 10:33 AM (zr5Kq)


    The AoS Pay Per View channel

    Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 28, 2020 10:43 AM (BiNEL)

    370 The Coronavirus kills mostly older people with underlying conditions. The H1N1 killed people, mostly the young and healthy. Why the difference between the handling of these two pandemics ?
    Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at March 28, 2020 10:39 AM (2DOZq)
    *********
    SILLY The Chocolate Buddha was President under one & Trump is President under the other

    Posted by: WuHAN Solo at March 28, 2020 10:44 AM (2isZE)

    371 Bring out yer new yawkers!

    Posted by: getting back on the cart with the banned at March 28, 2020 10:45 AM (7X934)

    372 Can anyone imagine the effect of Prohibition on this thread?


    ==


    That is why they did not allow internet in the 1920's and early 1930s. So we forgot the secret of The Internet. Until it was re-discovered by Al Gore.

    Posted by: runner at March 28, 2020 10:45 AM (zr5Kq)

    373 Most countries are more left than us....so....they more often lie especially about Image They either pad the figures up or down.

    If dems ever regain power...they will take advantage of THIS. They will say.....Oh no! Kung Flu 19 has morphed into Kung Flu 20. Repeat.

    Reminds me of a shittyfied geek joke.

    Didja hear about the programmer that died taking a shower?

    Detective looked at the back of the shampoo bottle....it says: Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

    If you don't get the joke....learn to code. Sorry mom...you too.

    Posted by: Humphreyrobot at March 28, 2020 10:45 AM (K1HDO)

    374 The show is crude, but it's the fact that Tyson is willing to do something like this that is so revealing.

    -
    I watched a Sonny Listen biography, Pariah: The Lives and Deaths of Sonny Liston, that was quite good.

    Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at March 28, 2020 10:45 AM (+y/Ru)

    375 The AoS Pay Per View channel
    Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 28, 2020 10:43 AM (BiNEL)


    You know what I'm talking about !

    Posted by: runner at March 28, 2020 10:46 AM (zr5Kq)

    376 AHLloyd:

    The 'we have to take drastic action because if we don't a large number of people will die' argument has some inherent weaknesses.

    1. There is not a direct-line correlation between the action being taken and either a single individual life saved, or a supposed decrease in total deaths. It's pure supposition. And even if there is a decrease in lives lost, it won't be 100%, and nobody on this blog including me can cite what that number will be. It will be some lesser and unmeasurable percentage. This is NOT comparable to a "do you jump. in the river to save a drowning stranger's life?" question.

    2. The negative or adverse effects are largely unknown and unmeasurable at this stage, but no less real. These are not merely economic, but also involve psychological, individual, familial, national and international relations. Suicides? Violent crime? Ripples upon ripples. They can tear at the very fabric of civilization. Pretending that they should not be considered in these decisions is short-sighted.

    3. Stating that your moral position is the only valid opinion and that others who don't share your view are flawed too dumb to appreciate your particular analysis is never a good way to convert others to your viewpoint.

    This is all just a variation on the lifeboat dilemma.

    Posted by: Muldoon at March 28, 2020 10:46 AM (m45I2)

    377 Seems to apply just about every day, just about this time:
    It sure is LENT in here.
    Nasty assed sons of bitches! For Christ!

    Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at March 28, 2020 10:46 AM (8IOEj)

    378 That is why they did not allow internet in the 1920's and early 1930s. So we forgot the secret of The Internet. Until it was re-discovered by Al Gore.
    Posted by: runner at March 28, 2020 10:45 AM (zr5Kq)
    ----
    The early internet was all via teletype. The graphics were awful.

    Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Lone Fire at March 28, 2020 10:47 AM (g8Yc+)

    379 346 >>I hope you aren't harboring any New Yorkers.

    As if.

    I've been narcing them out to the cops for days.
    Posted by: JackStraw at March 28, 2020 10:38 AM (ZLI7S)

    This struck me as exceedingly hilarious.
    I have NYC friends who absconded to Delaware about 2 weeks ago. They're in a family house. I seriously hope nobody's going to try to rat on them.

    Posted by: m at March 28, 2020 10:47 AM (KXX3K)

    380 >> Js, sunny side of the street is dark.

    Quite a bit shaking up here today, CC. Just got a recorded call from the chief of police. We are preparing repel intruders.

    If anyone needs a reminder just how scary the RI police can be watch Me, Myself and Irene.

    Posted by: JackStraw at March 28, 2020 10:47 AM (ZLI7S)

    381 The show is crude, but it's the fact that Tyson is willing to do something like this that is so revealing.

    -----------
    I watched a Sonny Listen biography, Pariah: The Lives and Deaths of Sonny Liston, that was quite good.
    Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at March 28, 2020 10:45 AM (+y/Ru)


    Didn't he die not long after his career ended?

    Posted by: BurtTC at March 28, 2020 10:47 AM (hku12)

    382 Willowed from last thread, since we're talking abut cops - the late, great Dick Curless' "Drag 'Em Off the Interstate, Sock it To 'Em, J.P. Blues:"

    https://tinyurl.com/rz623kz
    Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 28, 2020 09:04 AM (2JVJo)

    Sounds like Junior Brown got some inspiration from him.

    Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 28, 2020 10:47 AM (miJU3)

    383 **sniffs**
    **wipes tear from eye**

    That's beautiful man!

    Posted by: Diogenes at March 28, 2020 10:47 AM (axyOa)

    384 Hadrian,

    I just finished the ONT of last night.

    My condolences on you your loss(es). An incredibly tough year for you, I cannot begin to imagine the sense of loss you must be feeling.

    My best wishes to you, the missus, and the remaining pooches.

    Posted by: browndog at March 28, 2020 10:47 AM (gD6Ka)

    385 Greetings:

    My Poem for Mornings:

    I sprang to the stopper, and Joris and he.
    I galloped, Dirk galloped, we galloped all three.

    Posted by: 11B40 at March 28, 2020 10:48 AM (evgyj)

    386 The Coronavirus kills mostly older people with underlying conditions. The H1N1 killed people, mostly the young and healthy. Why the difference between the handling of these two pandemics ?
    Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at March 28, 2020 10:39 AM (2DOZq)

    Chinese crud is killing the shit out of healthy people. I saw a stat that 50% of the critical cases in NY are people under 50.

    Here's a breakdown of WW deaths by age group:
    https://tinyurl.com/ugfpb3a

    Posted by: ghbucky at March 28, 2020 10:48 AM (s9Eo8)

    387 359

    I would exempt the dead from going back to work,but that's just me.

    JoJo Biden
    Posted by: saf at March 28, 2020 10:42 AM (5IHGB)

    Good one!
    Jeez, everybody's on a roll today.

    Posted by: m at March 28, 2020 10:48 AM (KXX3K)

    388 Quite a bit shaking up here today, CC. Just got a recorded call from the chief of police. We are preparing repel intruders.

    If anyone needs a reminder just how scary the RI police can be watch Me, Myself and Irene.
    Posted by: JackStraw at March 28, 2020 10:47 AM (ZLI7S)


    Wasn't Super Troopers set there as well?

    Or one of those other drive-over states up there?

    Posted by: BurtTC at March 28, 2020 10:48 AM (hku12)

    389 I watched a Sonny Liston biography, Pariah: The Lives and Deaths of Sonny Liston, that was quite good.

    -
    He was the 24th of 25 children.

    Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at March 28, 2020 10:48 AM (+y/Ru)

    390 Great poem MisHum. Not much for poetry but that's one I can get inspired by.

    Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at March 28, 2020 10:49 AM (C4hN7)

    391 I'm continually of two minds on this - perhaps most of us are. First reaction - "HA! You Deserve it you arrogant New York phucks!!!" Second Reaction - hell, this is not the kind of thing that should be going on between the states, this is really, really dangerous. *Especially* the house to house searches. Imagine if Trump was using troops to conduct house to house searches, looking for illegals.
    Posted by: Tom Servo at March 28, 2020 10:38 AM (V2Yro)

    I live in small village where at least one third of the homes are owned by NYC weekenders

    2 and 1/4 north of the city

    and I shop in the tourist town, the favorite town of NYers in the Berkshires, Great Barrington MA

    They are here and I know for a FACT, they are NOT self quarantining themselves

    Self quarantining to a NYC type is like double parking to them

    a suggestion for other people

    fuckers

    Posted by: REDACTED at March 28, 2020 10:49 AM (rpxSz)

    392
    No, this economy is *NOT* going to come roaring back.

    Posted by: Tom Servo at March 28, 2020 10:43 AM (V2Yro)
    The carnage is widespread. Many small businesses will fail, will not buy from their suppliers, will not employ people, who will not have much money to spend. The 401(k)s that lost 20-30% (so far) will put a damper on spending (I don't feel so wealthy); Retirees creamed. All this speaks to reduced demand from a roaring economy in February.

    Posted by: FloridaMan -- still think this is all overreaction at March 28, 2020 10:49 AM (i8YPm)

    393 Richard Cheese - Down With the Sickness:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=at02Fvdhk2I

    Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 28, 2020 10:49 AM (Dc2NZ)

    394 Just gotta poke around.

    Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at March 28, 2020 10:49 AM (PUmDY)

    395 Greetings:

    My Poem for Mornings:

    I sprang to the stirrup, and Joris and he.
    I galloped, Dirk galloped, we galloped all three.


    That spelling correction thingy deserves some Wuhan Flu.

    Posted by: 11B40 at March 28, 2020 10:50 AM (evgyj)

    396 If you were named Lord Protector Cromwell, and you had a prison full of dangerous Irishmen that you didn't like very much, what would you do?
    Posted by: Tom Servo at March 28, 2020 10:34 AM (V2Yro)

    Can you say, Van Damien's Land? If they're lucky.

    Posted by: Fox2! at March 28, 2020 10:50 AM (qyH+l)

    397 I've been watching the Mike Tyson Mysteries.

    It's a cartoon (from one of those comedy networks I don't watch), featuring Tyson, in something of a sendup of Scooby Doo type shows.

    One thing I never would have predicted is the complete image change for a guy like Tyson. I never thought he'd live this long, let alone turn into a thoughtful, funny, irreverent fella who absolutely does not take himself too seriously.

    The show is crude, but it's the fact that Tyson is willing to do something like this that is so revealing.
    Posted by: BurtTC at March 28, 2020 10:42 AM (hku12)

    You remind me of one of my favorite memes: It's a picture of Howard Cosell with OJ Simpson and Bruce Jenner, and it says "freinds, I have seen the future, and You will not Believe this shit!!!"

    https://i__flip.com/i/1ufdeg

    Posted by: Tom Servo at March 28, 2020 10:50 AM (V2Yro)

    398 Posted by: ghbucky at March 28, 2020 10:39 AM (s9Eo

    IANM, the economy in 1918 was heavily agricultural, and localized industries such as steel, oil, and manufacturing. Most industrial resources were obtainable in-house; i.e.: within the US. As a national power, we had a much more limited position to leverage.

    Today, we're highly diversified and some of the industries we have now did not exist in 1918, and those that did are orders of magnitude more advanced and numerous. Our supply chain is nationally as well as internationally based but we are also more dependent on foreign resources in some cases. We have a much stronger position in the world economy to use as leverage.

    For me, I don't think the comparison is even close. Making an assumption on the economic impact of this silliness based on 1918 is a non-starter.

    Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 28, 2020 10:50 AM (Xesvh)

    399 Yeah, no. When I read "unlike our current delusionary in chief," I'll bail. I have better things to do with my morning than put up with some asshole's TDS.
    Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 28, 2020 09:06 AM (2JVJo)

    No shit. DJT clearly knows the right place to be placing his dick, unlike the tigerfag.

    Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 28, 2020 10:50 AM (miJU3)

    400 Didn't he die not long after his career ended?

    -
    Yes, under mysterious circumstances.

    Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at March 28, 2020 10:50 AM (+y/Ru)

    401 I sprang to the stopper, and Joris and he.
    I galloped, Dirk galloped, we galloped all three.
    Posted by: 11B40 at March 28, 2020 10:48 AM (evgyj)
    ----
    Browning? How they brought the good new from Ghent to someplace else?

    Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Lone Fire at March 28, 2020 10:51 AM (g8Yc+)

    402 RIP Tom Coburn. My former Senator and a patriot

    Posted by: RJD at March 28, 2020 10:52 AM (ucNdt)

    403 This is the main point where we differ - I already
    know of dozens of businesses, in my own daily life, that will *never*
    reopen, even after things get back to "normal". And my sphere is so
    limited!



    No, this economy is *NOT* going to come roaring back. We will be
    doing very well just to get it back to being self sustaining by this
    fall's election. But Morgan Stanley (and the rest of the top level
    forecasters) are predicting a 20% to 30% DROP in GDP for just the 2nd
    quarter - that is MORE damage than happened in all of the years of the
    Great Depression, combined.

    Posted by: Tom Servo at March 28, 2020 10:43 AM (V2Yro)

    ---
    How long have they been closed? What kinds of businesses?

    I'm getting bombarded by creditors offering forbearance on loans, lines of credit, etc. so I'm curious.

    It's interesting because the same arguments people are making about Wuhan Virus (only kills the old and sick) can be made about the businesses affected (only hitting the ones that were marginal in the first place).

    One difference is that I don't see anyone making the latter argument, but a fair number making the former.

    Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2020 10:52 AM (cfSRQ)

    404 I remember Sonny Liston was using the horse and may have, uh, wronged the wrong people.

    Then he had to pay up.

    Which he did.

    Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 28, 2020 10:52 AM (Z+IKu)

    405 Im so angry I'd go out west but im gonna need a bigger nuclear sub.

    Posted by: Humphreyrobot at March 28, 2020 10:52 AM (K1HDO)

    406 Watched - partly - a movie called China Salesman. Looks like some rich Chinese paid Seagal and Tyson to be in a movie.

    Horrible, really. But the fight scene with Tyson and Seagal is awesome.

    Posted by: blaster at March 28, 2020 10:52 AM (ZfRYq)

    407 Jack, we were talking about you earlier. Very Respectfully.
    But can you hear the echoing from The Barrel down here?
    It's sort of like holding a whelk shell to your ear.

    Posted by: RI Red at March 28, 2020 10:53 AM (p/KmR)

    408 Repeat the refrain...

    Posted by: socalcon at March 28, 2020 10:53 AM (Roy2Z)

    409 393 Richard Cheese - Down With the Sickness:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=at02Fvdhk2I
    Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 28, 2020 10:49 AM (Dc2NZ)

    Saw him live once. Funny stuff.

    Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at March 28, 2020 10:53 AM (NWiLs)

    410 This will change NYC drastically

    not sure how but it will not return to it's former self

    could be good thing

    but I doubt it

    It seems like all cities are on the Detroit, St. Louis, Baltimore glide path

    just haven't got there yet

    Posted by: REDACTED at March 28, 2020 10:54 AM (rpxSz)

    411 Posted by: BurtTC at March 28, 2020 10:42 AM (hku12)

    You remind me of one of my favorite memes: It's a picture of Howard Cosell with OJ Simpson and Bruce Jenner, and it says "freinds, I have seen the future, and You will not Believe this shit!!!"

    https://i__flip.com/i/1ufdeg
    Posted by: Tom Servo at March 28, 2020 10:50 AM (V2Yro)


    Heh.

    I was watching some Rich Little videos recently, impersonations he did were NOT really all that great, to be honest, but he did people who, even 40 years later, people still recognize who he was doing.

    Then I saw a compilation of Bill Hader impersonations. Now, Bill is a funny guy, and his impersonations are often spot on... but half the people he does I have no idea who they are.

    Posted by: BurtTC at March 28, 2020 10:54 AM (hku12)

    412 Why does this seem like its been a month already?

    Posted by: Skip at March 28, 2020 10:54 AM (ZCEU2)

    413 Fmr. senator Tom Coburn (R-OK). Prostrate cancer. 81.
    Posted by: Tami at March 28, 2020 10:15 AM (cF8AT)
    -----------

    I didn't know what you meant but I just got an email alert from Fox News that he passed away. RIP.
    Posted by: bluebell

    So, he's dead ?

    I liked him in Our Man Flint.

    Posted by: JT at March 28, 2020 10:54 AM (arJlL)

    414 Didn't he die not long after his career ended?

    -
    Yes, under mysterious circumstances.

    Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at March 28, 2020 10:50 AM (+y/Ru)


    So he knew something about the Clinton Global Initiative?

    Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 28, 2020 10:55 AM (BiNEL)

    415 Posted by: RI Red at March 28, 2020 10:53 AM (p/KmR)
    ~~~~~

    Red!! Have you lost your mind?!!

    Posted by: IrishEi at March 28, 2020 10:55 AM (sGotD)

    416 >>Jack, we were talking about you earlier. Very Respectfully.
    But can you hear the echoing from The Barrel down here?
    It's sort of like holding a whelk shell to your ear.

    Have you been bad, Red?

    Posted by: JackStraw at March 28, 2020 10:56 AM (ZLI7S)

    417 Didn't he die not long after his career ended?

    -------
    Yes, under mysterious circumstances.
    Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at March 28, 2020 10:50 AM (+y/Ru)


    I'm still of the belief he took a dive in that fight.

    You know the one.

    Posted by: BurtTC at March 28, 2020 10:56 AM (hku12)

    418 Gun-Rights Groups Sue North Carolina, Los Angeles Sheriffs Over Coronavirus Shut Downs

    Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at March 28, 2020 10:56 AM (+y/Ru)

    419 best impression i've seen, is donnie baker doing tony soprano on the beer virus. slap sent it it to me. hilarious. and spot on.

    Posted by: chavez the hugo at March 28, 2020 10:57 AM (KP5rU)

    420 Ben Hur> The Ten Commandments

    Posted by: JoeF. at March 28, 2020 10:57 AM (CqE5x)

    421 409 393 Richard Cheese - Down With the Sickness:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=at02Fvdhk2I
    Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 28, 2020 10:49 AM (Dc2NZ)

    Saw him live once. Funny stuff.
    Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at March 28, 2020 10:53 AM (NWiLs)

    Lucky you! He's one of my favorites.

    This version was used to comic effect in the remake of Dawn of the Dead.

    Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 28, 2020 10:57 AM (Dc2NZ)

    422 I didn't know what you meant but I just got an email alert from Fox News that he passed away. RIP.
    Posted by: bluebell

    So, he's dead ?

    I liked him in Our Man Flint.
    Posted by: JT at March 28, 2020 10:54 AM (arJlL)

    Tom Coburn was big in the 90's, opposed Clinton, iirc. He was only 72, prostate cancer. I wish RBG would have given him some of her time.

    Posted by: Tom Servo at March 28, 2020 10:58 AM (V2Yro)

    423 I'm disappointed in Trump signing this pork laden bill.

    Too little, too late, from the wrong source to the wrong recipients.

    Forget using 2.2 trillion of borrowed money with the bulk going to large corporations and state governments. It's better to cash in federal assets and spend 40 trillion directly on the middle class.



    Posted by: jwest at March 28, 2020 10:58 AM (mrrpT)

    424 I'm still of the belief he took a dive in that fight.

    You know the one.
    Posted by: BurtTC

    Even though I was young, I remember the hoopla.

    Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at March 28, 2020 10:58 AM (+y/Ru)

    425 420 Ben Hur> The Ten Commandments
    Posted by: JoeF. at March 28, 2020 10:57 AM (CqE5x)

    Holy Grail makes Ben Hur look like an Epic!!!

    Posted by: Tom Servo at March 28, 2020 10:58 AM (V2Yro)

    426 I watched Lillyhammer that had Steven Van Zandt from the Sopranos in it, man he must have really needed a paycheck

    Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at March 28, 2020 10:59 AM (8JqLB)

    427 This is an old one. My favorite Impression is Dana Carvey doing Jimmy Stewart getting a BJ. It's on the YouTube

    Posted by: RJD at March 28, 2020 10:59 AM (ucNdt)

    428 I'm still of the belief he took a dive in that fight.

    You know the one.
    Posted by: BurtTC

    Even though I was young, I remember the hoopla.
    Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at March 28, 2020 10:58 AM (+y/Ru)


    It's one of the reasons I stopped watching boxing. I think the more you are open to the possibilities, the more you "see" dives... and fixed score cards.

    Even where they might not exist.

    Posted by: BurtTC at March 28, 2020 11:00 AM (hku12)

    429 Tom Coburn was big in the 90's, opposed Clinton, iirc. He was only 72, prostate cancer. I wish RBG would have given him some of her time.
    Posted by: Tom Servo

    I was just trying to make a joke, so I could be a popular chick magnet like Insomniac.......

    Posted by: JT at March 28, 2020 11:00 AM (arJlL)

    430 The 'we have to take drastic action because if we
    don't a large number of people will die' argument has some inherent
    weaknesses.


    Posted by: Muldoon at March 28, 2020 10:46 AM (m45I2)

    ---
    Which is why I'm not making that argument. My point is and has been that we don't know.

    So what do you do? What action can be taken to cope with a mysterious disease that's lethality and treatment options are largely unknown?

    The real annoying thing about it is that the stronger the action on the front end (to stop the spread) the more effective it will be.

    Conversely, if it is successful, there will be less observable consequences on the health front compared to the economic losses.

    The flip side is that if one waits to see just how bad it can get due to known, actual economic damage, the only tools that might have been effective to contain it are now lost.

    Such situations defy easy answers.

    Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2020 11:01 AM (cfSRQ)

    431 So, where be the Zappa, then?

    Posted by: BeckoningChasm at March 28, 2020 11:02 AM (l9m7l)

    432 Mornin' Horde!

    So the MN Gov "stay at home" order is basically crap. Don't go out, unless you need food, want to pick up take-out, need to walk the dog, or just want to go for a walk. No different than what we've been doing for the past couple of weeks.

    Posted by: No One of Consequence at March 28, 2020 11:02 AM (CAJOC)

    433 his will change NYC drastically

    not sure how but it will not return to it's former self

    could be good thing

    but I doubt it

    It seems like all cities are on the Detroit, St. Louis, Baltimore glide path

    just haven't got there yet
    Posted by: REDACTED at March 28, 2020 10:54 AM (rpxSz)

    DeBlasio aside, NYC still has some built-in features that will keep it from going full Baltimore, St. Louis, Detroit--chiefly the way the city is laid out and it's a more diverse population than the others which are almost entirely African-American

    Posted by: JoeF. at March 28, 2020 11:02 AM (CqE5x)

    434 the death rate chart should tell us more than new cases, but even that does not tell us comorbidities, or how many died a month ago without being tested. But deaths in the ot spots do go "exponential" and we don't seem past that point yet, not even if taking the "hot spots separately (like NY, but I haven't tried to actually chart that)


    And what I really want to see is the chart of those testing positive, and then treated with the hydroxycholoquine and Z-Pak ... because isolated locationns on that seem to be in the "700 infect, one death" ... range.

    Tucker did a segment saying he thought the real reason the Nevada gov issued the order (to limit the HCQ-Z-Pak to hospitals only) was that there was a shortage of the doc, and Tucker said (without showing "evidence") that doctors were hoarding it, for future treatment or their own families I guess.


    A week or so ago I heard a report that some U.S. generic drug maker was starting to produce the HCQ ... and maybe another in Israel ... but also heard there is a lot on hand. So ... this should be part of the headlines ... but instead we debate how bad Trump is, and whether he will kill us all by lettig people out of their boxes too early.

    Posted by: illiniwek at March 28, 2020 11:02 AM (Cus5s)

    435 Hope Sweden is still doing no lockdown on this

    Posted by: Skip at March 28, 2020 11:02 AM (ZCEU2)

    436 423 I'm disappointed in Trump signing this pork laden bill.
    Too little, too late, from the wrong source to the wrong recipients.

    Forget using 2.2 trillion of borrowed money with the bulk going to large corporations and state governments. It's better to cash in federal assets and spend 40 trillion directly on the middle class.

    Posted by: jwest at March 28, 2020 10:58 AM (mrrpT)

    Cong. Massie made a strong case against the bill. He objected to a voice vote and he was ignored. No recorded vote. He was not allowed one minute to speak in 4 hours of debate. No quorum. Nobody had read the d*mned bill.

    Posted by: FloridaMan -- still think this is all overreaction at March 28, 2020 11:03 AM (i8YPm)

    437 420 Ben Hur> The Ten Commandments
    Posted by: JoeF.



    This is true.

    Posted by: Puddleglum at March 28, 2020 11:03 AM (MVR7y)

    438
    So the MN Gov "stay at home" order is basically crap. Don't go out, unless you need food, want to pick up take-out, need to walk the dog, or just want to go for a walk. No different than what we've been doing for the past couple of weeks.
    Posted by: No One of Consequence at March 28, 2020 11:02 AM (CAJOC)

    Gas, liquor, Lottery tickets

    Posted by: JoeF. at March 28, 2020 11:03 AM (CqE5x)

    439 Here's an odd confession - I've listened to a few songs from "Joe Exotic" (aka The Tiger King) and I actually think his music is better than most anything anyone else has done in country for the last few years.
    Posted by: Tom Servo at March 28, 2020 09:31 AM (V2Yro)

    You must be listening to commercial country stations. some of that crap verges on rap, ffs. Listen to people like Corb Lund, Hayes Carll, Colter Wall, and many others. There are many performers out there doing good modern country, but they get stuck in the "alt-country" ghetto.

    Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 28, 2020 11:04 AM (miJU3)

    440 Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2020 11:01 AM (cfSRQ)

    That's a lot of words to say 'we have to take drastic action because if we don't a large number of people will die'.

    Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 28, 2020 11:04 AM (Xesvh)

    441

    Seniors trapped in their apartments all over the country doing Zumba classes on their balconies. 50,000 plunge to their death.......news @11.

    Posted by: saf at March 28, 2020 11:04 AM (5IHGB)

    442 First time for everything, Jack Straw. Bluebell said I had to shelter in place, too. But she did send TP.
    Now I know why you told me she was a classy lady.

    Posted by: RI Red at March 28, 2020 11:04 AM (p/KmR)

    443 This is an old one. My favorite Impression is Dana Carvey doing Jimmy Stewart getting a BJ. It's on the YouTube
    Posted by: RJD at March 28, 2020 10:59 AM (ucNdt)


    I believe it was Norm MacDonald who said you can't do a decent impression of someone, if you don't like and admire the person.

    Which is why, he said, Darryl Hammond did a great Trump a few decades ago, but Alec Baldwin's impression is unwatchable.

    Posted by: BurtTC at March 28, 2020 11:04 AM (hku12)

    444 I was going to watch the netflix show on Joe Exotic, but then he already got sent to prison like a week ago, so why bother

    Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at March 28, 2020 11:05 AM (8JqLB)

    445 Speaking of narcing. Polis issued a stay at home order for Colorado. We do not have NYC level of cases so its stupid on its face but its not a real order. Cops wont even issue warnings unless there are more than 10 people in a group or folks are violating social distancing. The STATE parks are still open. Self pay for parking, picnic areas and campgrounds closed but day parking is fine.

    I dont know if the order gives the cops more 'teeth' to issue tickets for those violating the no large gatherings or swapping spit in public, but I do despise laws/rules that don't mean what they say.

    Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at March 28, 2020 11:06 AM (K78+l)

    446 Anecdotal, but the obituary column in the paper in my neck of the woods in NJ is a lot sparser than it was in December, January and February.


    Grain of salt.

    Posted by: JoeF. at March 28, 2020 11:06 AM (CqE5x)

    447 434 the death rate chart should tell us more than new cases, but even that does not tell us comorbidities, or how many died a month ago without being tested.
    Posted by: illiniwek at March 28, 2020 11:02 AM (Cus5s)

    The author (Ferguson) of the Imperial College study admitted that he thought half of the deaths from Covid19 would have died by the end of the year anyway.

    Posted by: FloridaMan -- still think this is all overreaction at March 28, 2020 11:06 AM (i8YPm)

    448 >>Now I know why you told me she was a classy lady.

    Once Bluebell got out of the joint she really started turning her life around.

    You should hear her rap. Foshizzile.

    Posted by: JackStraw at March 28, 2020 11:06 AM (ZLI7S)

    449 BTW, Isn't comparing the current northern hemisphere economic shutdown to hurricanes and blizzards exactly the sort of apples to oranges comparison that people bitch about when you compare traffic deaths to the CCP Crud?

    A hurricane doesn't even shut down the entire state of FL much less the whole country.

    Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at March 28, 2020 11:07 AM (3DZIZ)

    450 So the MN Gov "stay at home" order is basically crap. Don't go out, unless you need food, want to pick up take-out, need to walk the dog, or just want to go for a walk.
    Posted by: No One of Consequence
    ----

    OH is the same. Everyone is out that wants to be. The parks are full of folks walking.

    The same folks that are praising Gov DeWiner and Dr. Amy (she wears a white coat! Isn't she impressive!!) slam PDT as apparently, he isn't doing a thing and we're all gonna die. Reeeeeeee!!

    Posted by: Tonypete at March 28, 2020 11:07 AM (Y4EXg)

    451 439:You must be listening to commercial country stations. some of that crap verges on rap, ffs. Listen to people like Corb Lund, Hayes Carll, Colter Wall, and many others. There are many performers out there doing good modern country, but they get stuck in the "alt-country" ghetto.
    Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon



    What do you think of Midland?

    Posted by: Puddleglum at March 28, 2020 11:07 AM (MVR7y)

    452 Seniors trapped in their apartments all over the country doing Zumba classes on their balconies. 50,000 plunge to their death.......news @11.
    Posted by: saf at March 28, 2020 11:04 AM (5IHGB)


    What I really want to know is, how high was their cholesterol.

    Posted by: BurtTC at March 28, 2020 11:07 AM (hku12)

    453 Other famous Michigan resident for Governor.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQowAJAZgoU

    Posted by: DaveA at March 28, 2020 11:08 AM (FhXTo)

    454 Oh the narcing side. When I was searching for info on whether one could still drive and park at outdoor open spaces there was an article about the cops being swamped with people narcing out their neighbors for violating the *not really* stay at home order.

    Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at March 28, 2020 11:08 AM (K78+l)

    455 I have the president's ring tone from Our Man Flint.

    Im awesome for just one day. When the phone rings in public...people look at me like i might kill them.....and i would.

    Posted by: Humphreyrobot at March 28, 2020 11:08 AM (K1HDO)

    456 Cong. Massie made a strong case against the bill. He objected to a voice vote and he was ignored. No recorded vote. He was not allowed one minute to speak in 4 hours of debate. No quorum. Nobody had read the d*mned bill.

    Posted by: FloridaMan -- still think this is all overreaction at March 28, 2020 11:03 AM (i8YPm)


    Reading a bill, my good man, that's not who we are.

    Like hundreds upon hundreds of pages of legislation passed "in response" to a potential pandemic will actually be focused on the pandemic!

    Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 28, 2020 11:08 AM (BiNEL)

    457 Stay home and don't you dare come out until 2022!!!

    Posted by: Dr. Amy at March 28, 2020 11:09 AM (EgshT)

    458 What I really want to know is, how high was their cholesterol.
    Posted by: BurtTC at March 28, 2020 11:07 AM (hku12)

    Much lower when they hit the ground

    Posted by: JoeF. at March 28, 2020 11:09 AM (CqE5x)

    459 You folks who are active reserve with a medical MOS or even select series 12, get ready for a potential call up.

    Posted by: Hesco Gypsy, staring from 457 meters at March 28, 2020 11:09 AM (m/eiQ)

    460 How long have they been closed? What kinds of businesses?

    I'm getting bombarded by creditors offering forbearance on loans, lines of credit, etc. so I'm curious.

    It's interesting because the same arguments people are making about Wuhan Virus (only kills the old and sick) can be made about the businesses affected (only hitting the ones that were marginal in the first place).

    One difference is that I don't see anyone making the latter argument, but a fair number making the former.

    I can see your point. I do think there will be a significant demand for those small local businesses by people, if for no other reason than they are the folks you did see most often when you went out for "X."


    Kinda like, were in this together. As more people get back to work, there will be a letting out of the "been cooped up too long" thought, IMHO.


    We've kept up with our dinning habits, just picking up though. And the drive thru lines that I saw last night at KFC/McDs indicates to me people haven't changed that SOP part of their lives.

    Posted by: Steve in SoCal at March 28, 2020 11:09 AM (Ozpxd)

    461
    Sitting outside. Warm, breezy day. Sun on the acreage. Bacon cooking. Dogs watching my every move. Amid all this, it's peaceful.

    Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at March 28, 2020 11:10 AM (7rVsF)

    462 Humphreyrobot.... I read that yesterday and laughed, have had that earworm ever since damn you

    Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at March 28, 2020 11:10 AM (8JqLB)

    463 Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at March 28, 2020 11:06 AM (K78+l)

    I saw on channel 9 last night that the parks, campgrounds, trail heads and other public amenities are shut down. And as I commute between the plains north of Denver and the Tech Center, I see lotsa po-po's. No one is writing tickets though, or even stopping folks.

    Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 28, 2020 11:10 AM (Xesvh)

    464 Entertaining MisHum, as always. Thanks.

    Posted by: Sock Monkey...more antisocial then normal at March 28, 2020 11:10 AM (4aS1x)

    465
    That's a lot of words to say 'we have to take drastic action because if we don't a large number of people will die'.

    Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 28, 2020 11:04 AM (Xesvh)

    ---
    Nope, its an expression of the risk calculation.

    Containment is only effective if it's done early.

    Wait too long to find out how dangerous it is, and your most effective tool is gone.

    Worse still, if you make the right call, and save potentially millions of lives, no one will ever know because all they will see is a handful of deaths and a bunch of job losses.

    Did 20 million die in Wuhan or 5,000?

    It's not an easy call.




    Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2020 11:10 AM (cfSRQ)

    466 What I really want to know is, how high was their cholesterol.
    Posted by: BurtTC at March 28, 2020 11:07 AM (hku12)

    Much lower when they hit the ground
    Posted by: JoeF. at March 28, 2020 11:09 AM (CqE5x)


    No doubt BP and heart rate were much lower too.

    Folks, I think we found the miracle cure.

    Posted by: BurtTC at March 28, 2020 11:11 AM (hku12)

    467 Live five years if I take my time
    Ballin' that jack an drinkin' my wine

    Posted by: klaftern at March 28, 2020 11:11 AM (RuIsu)

    468 going to watch the netflix show on Joe Exotic, but then he already got sent to prison like a week ago, so why bother
    Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at March 28, 2020 11:05 AM (8JqLB)

    Because it's batshit crazy, every single person in it, You don't think it can get any crazier then it does.

    Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at March 28, 2020 11:11 AM (dKiJG)

    469 Death rates won't peak until after we are demonstrably on the back side (declining new cases) of the outbreak.

    Posted by: Muldoon at March 28, 2020 11:11 AM (m45I2)

    470
    The same folks that are praising Gov DeWiner and Dr. Amy (she wears a white coat! Isn't she impressive!!) slam PDT as apparently, he isn't doing a thing and we're all gonna die. Reeeeeeee!!
    Posted by: Tonypete at March 28, 2020 11:07 AM (Y4EXg)

    It's being set up that if we come out of this pandemic (relatively) unscathed, the governors will get ALL the credit.
    If things go tits-up, it's ALL TRUMP'S FAULT.

    Posted by: JoeF. at March 28, 2020 11:11 AM (CqE5x)

    471 455 I have the president's ring tone from Our Man Flint.

    Im awesome for just one day. When the phone rings in public...people look at me like i might kill them.....and i would.
    Posted by: Humphreyrobot at March 28, 2020 11:08 AM (K1HDO)

    AWESOME - HOW DO I GET ONE?!

    Posted by: getting the banned back together at March 28, 2020 11:11 AM (EbGwp)

    472 This is your retired leader speaking. I have been scratching my butt to resurrect ObamCare. Due the shortage of medical ventilators in New York I invented CarbonMonOxider Ventilator. This should solve New York's under-supply of ventilators and over-supply of hospital patients. I cannot give you any more details except to say I am getting newly created cabinet position. Good day.

    Posted by: Barkier One at March 28, 2020 11:12 AM (ZA5QI)

    473 Did 20 million die in Wuhan

    Oh, my. Even I find that a leap.

    Posted by: Dr. Amy at March 28, 2020 11:13 AM (EgshT)

    474 For a retiree like myself, it's just another day not at the office. I go out every day for whatever I need, but it's my wife who has the underlying health issues.

    So I passed on a bedly needed haircut.

    Posted by: FloridaMan -- still think this is all overreaction at March 28, 2020 11:13 AM (i8YPm)

    475 OH is the same. Everyone is out that wants to be. The parks are full of folks walking.

    The same folks that are praising Gov DeWiner and Dr. Amy (she wears a white coat! Isn't she impressive!!) slam PDT as apparently, he isn't doing a thing and we're all gonna die. Reeeeeeee!!
    Posted by: Tonypete


    We went down to Hocking Hills and Old Man's Cave on Wednesday. There were a lot of people there, which in a way, isn't surprising.
    It was a nice day, and the kids are out of school.

    People are very restless. My son works at a liquor store that supplies some bars (now closed, but his store is open). He says that bar owners are telling them that people are trying to break into bars.

    Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at March 28, 2020 11:13 AM (ZCiJZ)

    476 Businesses like the used book store here have to be scaping by on little profit, paying the utilities and rent and not open might kill it.

    Posted by: Skip at March 28, 2020 11:13 AM (ZCEU2)

    477 CoJ. Hmmm, what I've seen was campgrounds and picnic areas shut down but not trailheads (parking lots) I'll have to check again. Was planning to drive out for some exercise tomorrow. I know its fine to be outside if you dont drive to get there, its just not clear as far as driving somewhere to enjoy more scenic trails.

    Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at March 28, 2020 11:13 AM (K78+l)

    478 The next time one hears or reads about how capitalism doesn't work and that socialism is the future, remember this article:
    "The Inside Story of How H-E-B [a Texas-based supermarket chain] Prepared for the Pandemic"
    LINK: https://preview.tinyurl.com/rhh37pu

    Posted by: mrp at March 28, 2020 11:13 AM (Pqytn)

    479 Oh yeah.

    Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at March 28, 2020 11:13 AM (PUmDY)

    480 >>>>only hitting the ones that were marginal in the first place<<<<

    It's okay, you shouldn't have been able to afford to feed yourself anyway.

    Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at March 28, 2020 11:14 AM (3DZIZ)

    481
    Kinda like, were in this together. As more
    people get back to work, there will be a letting out of the "been cooped
    up too long" thought, IMHO.


    Posted by: Steve in SoCal at March 28, 2020 11:09 AM (Ozpxd)

    ---
    We made a point of ordering take-out from one of our favorite restaurants to ensure they survived. I also left a hefty tip.

    They seemed to be hanging in there. Tough time for the college town businesses- they rely on students to get them through the leaner summers. Summer just came really, really early.

    We'll keep it up as long as we can.

    Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2020 11:14 AM (cfSRQ)

    482 Death rates won't peak until after we are demonstrably on the back side (declining new cases) of the outbreak.
    Posted by: Muldoon at March 28, 2020 11:11 AM (m45I2)


    Yes, I would imagine the number of dead, among those infected with this virus, will continue to rise for years and years to come.

    In about 75 years or so, it'll be damn near 100%.

    Posted by: BurtTC at March 28, 2020 11:14 AM (hku12)

    483 some of the health care workers in interviews or their instagram talks, have said how we need to get the masks to the heath care workers first. And we've seen some groups release millions they had in stock for some reason (was it the UAW?, and some others).


    And I saw a second report of a nurse saying they were given one mask and told to use it all week unless it is soiled/dirty. That is hard to believe ... we are really THAT short on this stuff? I guess they did just in time inventory, and China cut us off.
    But for one thing, a mask is certainly soiled after one day, or less. I agree the health care workers should get priority, but once the supply catches up (and the hoarders stop buying 10 year supplies, like the TP) ... then requiring the general public to wear a mask when out might be as effective as telling everyone to stay home. Or maybe a mask and gloves, if we can catch up on those as well. And diligent surface cleaning in public spaces.

    Posted by: illiniwek at March 28, 2020 11:14 AM (Cus5s)

    484
    Churchill wrote that it was the only thing that ever truly frightened him, and it bothered him that the only way they could track it was by watching a damned line move across paper charts.

    Same thing applies here. Shutdowns will take two weeks to be effective. So we wait and try to get tests out there.

    In about a week we'll have a better idea what's going on.
    Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2020 09:55 AM (cfSRQ)


    Geez. You're a democrat politician's dream.

    I'm not buying your schtick.

    Posted by: Sooner at March 28, 2020 11:15 AM (Fs5vw)

    485 Seniors trapped in their apartments all over the country doing Zumba classes on their balconies. 50,000 plunge to their death


    ******

    See! Unintended consequences! Ripples upon ripples, baby!

    Posted by: Muldoon at March 28, 2020 11:15 AM (m45I2)

    486 Bryan Ferry is awesome.

    Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at March 28, 2020 11:16 AM (PUmDY)

    487 482 Death rates won't peak until after we are demonstrably on the back side (declining new cases) of the outbreak.
    Posted by: Muldoon at March 28, 2020 11:11 AM (m45I2)


    Yes, I would imagine the number of dead, among those infected with this virus, will continue to rise for years and years to come.

    In about 75 years or so, it'll be damn near 100%.
    Posted by: BurtTC



    Thankfully it will never get to that as the Repeal of Net Neutrality and Drumph's Tax Cuts have slaughtered us all.

    Posted by: Puddleglum at March 28, 2020 11:16 AM (MVR7y)

    488 485 Seniors trapped in their apartments all over the country doing Zumba classes on their balconies. 50,000 plunge to their death


    ******

    See! Unintended consequences! Ripples upon ripples, baby!
    Posted by: Muldoon at March 28, 2020 11:15 AM (m45I2)

    Do they even sell Ripple anymore?

    Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at March 28, 2020 11:16 AM (NWiLs)

    489 Socialists know that socialism does not work.
    They dig that warm feeling they get while thinking about killing you.

    Posted by: klaftern at March 28, 2020 11:16 AM (RuIsu)

    490 343 I watched season 3 of Ozark yesterday, what should I watch today?

    Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at March 28, 2020 10:37 AM (8JqLB)

    After that asswipe Bateman stomped his foot about Georgia's abortion law, saying he would never work in that state again if the new law was enacted, I'm not sure I'll watch the new season.

    Posted by: Tami at March 28, 2020 11:16 AM (cF8AT)

    491 >>Did 20 million die in Wuhan

    >>Oh, my. Even I find that a leap.


    A Great Leap!

    Posted by: Zombie Mao at March 28, 2020 11:17 AM (MGDU4)

    492
    What do you think of Midland?
    Posted by: Puddleglum

    In Texas? Flat. High elevation. Easier to find and get rid of wives 20 miles away in Odessa.

    You know that reminds me....i would not pay or want titty implants but would quite very enjoy nipple extensions.

    Posted by: Humphreyrobot at March 28, 2020 11:17 AM (K1HDO)

    493 Can you help me?

    Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at March 28, 2020 11:17 AM (PUmDY)

    494 In about 75 years or so, it'll be damn near 100%.
    Posted by: BurtTC



    ********

    Now THAT'S a doomsday scenario. But let's meet back up in 75 years to see if it comes to pass!

    Posted by: Muldoon at March 28, 2020 11:17 AM (m45I2)

    495 Nope, its an expression of the risk calculation.

    It's an expression that lacks conviction. FFS, make a decision, defend it and stick by it.

    If you think we all have to self isolate and shut down economic activity to contain this scary case of the koodies, then state your case and be done with it.

    No one is gonna castigate you for it. Mock you relentlessly as hysterical fool, maybe but certainly not reprimand you.

    Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 28, 2020 11:18 AM (Xesvh)

    496 We went down to Hocking Hills and Old Man's Cave on Wednesday. There were a lot of people there, which in a way, isn't surprising.

    Posted by: Bozo Conservative

    ---

    My real concern is for the small businesses that have had to close. In Logan, there is a tiny restaurant that we love. Cheap eats, great food. The owner is a mother of the community - takes care of the lost and the lonely. Her business, of course, is down to take out. The place is really suffering.

    Posted by: Tonypete at March 28, 2020 11:18 AM (Y4EXg)

    497 That's basically the H1N1 response. Does anyone consider that ideal? A model to be repeated?

    This is like the Battle of the Atlantic - there's a lag built into figuring out what works and what doesn't.

    Churchill wrote that it was the only thing that ever truly frightened him, and it bothered him that the only way they could track it was by watching a damned line move across paper charts.

    Same thing applies here. Shutdowns will take two weeks to be effective. So we wait and try to get tests out there.

    In about a week we'll have a better idea what's going on.
    Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at March 28, 2020 09:55 AM (cfSRQ)

    By this point in the H1N1 timeline, there were many thousands more deaths. The most remarkable thing about the WuFlu is just how few people have died of it. I trust no numbers out of China, at all.

    Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 28, 2020 11:18 AM (miJU3)

    Posted by: Kindltot at March 28, 2020 11:18 AM (6rS3m)

    499 Do they even sell Ripple anymore?

    Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at March 28, 2020 11:16 AM (NWiLs)

    Production ceased in '84

    Posted by: BignJames at March 28, 2020 11:18 AM (X/Pw5)

    500 >>Death rates won't peak until after we are demonstrably on the back side (declining new cases) of the outbreak.

    One of the numbers I've been watching is the number of "Active Cases". The number of deaths seems pretty low right now but the number of recovered cases isn't much bigger.

    Total Cases in the US are now around 105K. And the number of Active Cases is 100K meaning the vast majority of cases are yet to be resolved. Cuomo said yesterday that one of the deaths in NYC had been on a ventilator for 20+ days. I don't even play a doctor here but it would seem to me trying to peg the death rate now is counting unhatched chickens.

    Hopefully, some of these new treatments will be ready soon and effective so we can move out of the buying time phase and into the active fighting the disease stage before we lose too many more.

    Posted by: JackStraw at March 28, 2020 11:19 AM (ZLI7S)

    501 492
    What do you think of Midland?
    Posted by: Puddleglum

    In Texas? Flat. High elevation. Easier to find and get rid of wives 20 miles away in Odessa.

    You know that reminds me....i would not pay or want titty implants but would quite very enjoy nipple extensions.
    Posted by: Humphreyrobot



    Heh! Never been there. I was referring to the Country Western band. I think they started in Odessa.

    Posted by: Puddleglum at March 28, 2020 11:19 AM (MVR7y)

    502 So the MN Gov "stay at home" order is basically crap. Don't go out, unless you need food, want to pick up take-out, need to walk the dog, or just want to go for a walk. No different than what we've been doing for the past couple of weeks.

    Posted by: No One of Consequence at March 28, 2020 11:02 AM

    My guess is that these official orders --- instead of just recommendations --- will give law enforcement more authority to tell people to go home if people are not out doing 'essential' activities.

    Before, when it was just Governors asking the people of their states to practice 'social distancing' and such, law enforcement had no authority to do anything with people who were telling their Mayors and Governors to lolgf. Now, they do have the authority and can reference the official 'stay-at-home' order.

    It's also probably like declaring a state emergency or whatever is done during tornadoes and hurricanes: states who declare that get federal funding. This is probably no different. Any state declaring "stay-at-home" orders are probably now on the list for federal handouts.

    Posted by: Clyde Shelton at March 28, 2020 11:19 AM (Do5/p)

    503 We went down to Hocking Hills and Old Man's Cave on Wednesday.
    Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at March 28, 2020 11:13 AM (ZCiJZ)


    You bastards stay the hell away from my cave!

    Posted by: Old Man at March 28, 2020 11:19 AM (t+qrx)

    504 There is a company called Biomedics that is rolling out a 5 minute antibody test for Covid19. They are out of NC.
    It looks like a pregnancy test and required a drop of blood. I would like to order a million

    Posted by: Kindltot at March 28, 2020 11:19 AM (6rS3m)

    505 Ripple in still water is an astounding lyric.

    Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at March 28, 2020 11:20 AM (PUmDY)

    506 @MichaelCoudrey

    BREAKING: French government reverses earlier ban on hydroxychloroquine for treating COVID19 patients in light of successful clinical studies showing significant efficacy against the virus.

    Hydroxychloroquine may now be prescribed to treat COVID-19 in France.

    Thread: https://tinyurl.com/uj38qw8

    Posted by: Tami at March 28, 2020 11:20 AM (cF8AT)

    507 Bryan Ferry is awesome.
    Posted by: Cosmic Charlie


    He's a Slave to Love

    Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at March 28, 2020 11:20 AM (ZCiJZ)

    508 >>By this point in the H1N1 timeline, there were many thousands more deaths. The most remarkable thing about the WuFlu is just how few people have died of it. I trust no numbers out of China, at all.


    AND Italy and Spain have nothing to do with America as a whole. More akin to our individual States (I'm lookin' at you, NY) than our country.


    Shit. We have Counties the size of many Euro Nations.

    Posted by: garrett at March 28, 2020 11:20 AM (MGDU4)

    509 There is a company called Biomedics that is rolling out a 5 minute antibody test for Covid19. They are out of NC.
    It looks like a pregnancy test and required a drop of blood. I would like to order a million

    Posted by: Kindltot at March 28, 2020 11:19 AM (6rS3m)


    are they legit ?

    Posted by: runner at March 28, 2020 11:20 AM (zr5Kq)

    510 489 Socialists know that socialism does not work.
    They dig that warm feeling they get while thinking about killing you.
    Posted by: klaftern at March 28, 2020 11:16 AM (RuIsu)

    Playing God. Nothing like it.

    Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at March 28, 2020 11:20 AM (H8QX8)

    511 Traiheads, parks and national parks and forests are all closed in WA and OR. Also, wildlife areas and don't you dare go fishing!
    Just back from the grocery store. Found everything I needed except wipes.
    TP is out, paper towels are okay. Pasta and some soups are out.
    Plenty of bread. Eggs were being restocked as is meat.
    Hand cleaners and Lysol is out. Bottled water is in good supply. No one in masks. The checkout people are getting tired of the whole thing.

    Posted by: Winston a dreg of society at March 28, 2020 11:21 AM (TYQsd)

    512 Massive Shipments of Urns in Wuhan Cast Doubt on China's Official Death Toll

    -
    Looks like the ChiCong didn't go with shoot, shovel, and shut up.

    Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at March 28, 2020 11:22 AM (+y/Ru)

    513 Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at March 28, 2020 11:20 AM (H8QX

    Who doesn't want to be the arbiter of the world?

    Posted by: thathalfrican - sucker free on my phone at March 28, 2020 11:22 AM (IYHxL)

    514 >>Ripple in still water is an astounding lyric.

    My best friends boat is named Ripple

    Posted by: JackStraw at March 28, 2020 11:22 AM (ZLI7S)

    515 Do they even sell Ripple anymore?

    Posted by: Insomniac -

    Production ceased in '84
    Posted by: BignJames


    ************


    Consumption tapered off into the '90s.

    Posted by: Muldoon at March 28, 2020 11:22 AM (m45I2)

    516 A week or so ago I heard a report that some U.S. generic drug maker was starting to produce the HCQ ... and maybe another in Israel ... but also heard there is a lot on hand. So ... this should be part of the headlines ... but instead we debate how bad Trump is, and whether he will kill us all by lettig people out of their boxes too early.
    Posted by: illiniwek


    Mylan, a pharma company, has a chemical factory in W. Virginia that they are going to spool up and get running to make hydroxychloroquine. Teva was going ramp up to make more (Jewish pharma company).

    No work on when a Muslim pharma company will make any. Oh, that's right. There aren't any Muslim pharma companies.
    Sorry.

    Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at March 28, 2020 11:23 AM (ZCiJZ)

    517 nood

    Posted by: Parker at March 28, 2020 11:23 AM (zV/fi)

    518 FML. The closet open golf course is 3 hours away.

    Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 28, 2020 11:23 AM (Xesvh)

    519 40 You guys, I read somewhere that now, because of schedule changes, having more time to sleep, people are having different dream patterns, seeing their dreams. Remembering them. I have experienced it!

    ...............

    I had one the other night where I sprung Vic from a nursing home and we went around town to find him some "brown". He didn't look like the mental picture I have of him!

    Posted by: Molly k. at March 28, 2020 11:23 AM (3kOVl)

    520 Unexpected consequence of sheltering in place: I've gained seven pounds.

    Posted by: creeper at March 28, 2020 11:23 AM (XxJt1)

    521 >>Ripple in still water is an astounding lyric.


    Astoundingly corny

    Posted by: garrett at March 28, 2020 11:24 AM (MGDU4)

    522

    Heh! Never been there. I was referring to the Country Western band. I think they started in Odessa.
    Posted by: Puddleglum at

    Thanks...now i feel smart like that Detective in the Naked Gun.

    Posted by: Humphreyrobot at March 28, 2020 11:24 AM (K1HDO)

    523 *closest*

    Moar cofeve

    Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 28, 2020 11:24 AM (Xesvh)

    524 "nood" posted three comments above and I couldn't see it. Smooth move, creep.

    Posted by: creeper at March 28, 2020 11:25 AM (XxJt1)

    525 A very nice nood awaits!

    Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 28, 2020 11:25 AM (BiNEL)

    526 Posted by: Winston a dreg of society at March 28, 2020 11:21 AM (TYQsd)

    Hi Winston! Hubs is super pissed that he can't go golfing. Last week they were letting people play as long as you had a cart to yourself and didn't touch the flag, but now all the courses are closed. We'll be heading out to the Fairchild commissary later to stock up on perishables; we're pretty well set on everything else.

    Posted by: Jordan61 at March 28, 2020 11:25 AM (5y5Bi)

    527 I knew you would piss on it.

    Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at March 28, 2020 11:25 AM (PUmDY)

    528 I can probably model an epidemic that will kill the entire population of the earth in a matter of months.

    Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar


    https://mattbierbaum.github.io/zombies-usa/

    Just the 1st of many.

    Posted by: DaveA at March 28, 2020 11:26 AM (FhXTo)

    529 Worrying that the corona virus will run through the prison like kennel cough is a point of concern.
    Allowing those people infected with the felonious virus into the civilian population is also a matter of concern.

    Posted by: Braenyard at March 28, 2020 11:26 AM (obh/i)

    530 I am wondering if this is the Jim Jones moment for the left.

    I know there is an arc to millenarian movements, where there is a charismatic message, a gathering of a flock to survive into the coming new world, a series of approaching dangers to try to weld it all together against the fact that people tend to fight and wander away, and from there each danger becomes greater until you are literally facing the end of the world.

    This of course is the big payoff, in the People's Church the final act was to prevent the faithful from being taken so of course they had to commit suicide en mass.

    does anyone have any insight?

    Posted by: Kindltot at March 28, 2020 11:27 AM (6rS3m)

    531 I don't golf, Jordan. Good luck to hubs and say hello to him for me.
    I'm going to have to go to the Rite Aid here directly for a stock of surgical tape.
    I'm also going to see if my favorite shooting spot is open.
    Which, I doubt.
    Stir crazy are me.

    Posted by: Winston a dreg of society at March 28, 2020 11:29 AM (TYQsd)

    532 AoSHQ is the closest thing to a speakeasy that I have.

    Posted by: BourbonChicken at March 28, 2020 11:29 AM (LxTcq)

    533 238
    Sheesh, this place is getting so on-edge that someone can't post an
    entry from his dad's diary while he was on the battlefield in the Second
    World War without some of its contents being nitpicked.


    Posted by: Vendette at March 28, 2020 10:09 AM (nRNOc)

    Actually not nitpicked. I'm reading a book called "The Mighty Eighth" about the Eighth Air Force in Europe during WWII. During one raid the gunners claimed more German aircraft destroyed than Germany had in theater at the time. Quite a feat.

    Posted by: Old Blue at March 28, 2020 11:30 AM (VNmG1)

    534 Trump signs TAIPEI Act in support of Taiwan.

    Posted by: Braenyard at March 28, 2020 11:31 AM (obh/i)

    535 This is all just a variation on the lifeboat dilemma.
    Posted by: Muldoon


    First one to make a limerick gets sporked.

    Posted by: DaveA at March 28, 2020 11:33 AM (FhXTo)

    536 From Breitbart:

    President Donald Trump on Thursday signed the Taiwan Allies and International Protection and Enhancement Initiative Act, whose acronym in a remarkable coincidence spells out TAIPEI, the name of Taiwan's capital.

    The TAIPEI Act enhances U.S. support for Taiwan by encouraging other nations to engage with the island and punishing those who follow the Chinese Communist Party's (CCP) orders to isolate it

    Posted by: Braenyard at March 28, 2020 11:35 AM (obh/i)

    537 Trump signs TAIPEI Act in support of Taiwan.

    Posted by: Braenyard at

    Yea.

    If you don't love Taiwan...go learn...still stupid....meet me out back of Ace's Bowling Lanes and Shooting Range at 1am.

    Posted by: Humphreyrobot at March 28, 2020 11:36 AM (K1HDO)

    538 I'm continually of two minds on this - perhaps most of us are. First reaction - "HA! You Deserve it you arrogant New York phucks!!!" Second Reaction - hell, this is not the kind of thing that should be going on between the states, this is really, really dangerous. *Especially* the house to house searches. Imagine if Trump was using troops to conduct house to house searches, looking for illegals.
    Posted by: Tom Servo at March 28, 2020 10:38 AM (V2Yro)

    Only good thing? Totally blue-on-blue. Sucks for the few conservatives trapped behind the wire, though.

    Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 28, 2020 11:41 AM (miJU3)

    539 Closet golf, coming soon.

    Posted by: klaftern at March 28, 2020 11:42 AM (RuIsu)

    540 Who's started drinking?

    Posted by: Beefy Meatball at March 28, 2020 11:44 AM (sty7e)

    541 Chinese crud is killing the shit out of healthy people. I saw a stat that 50% of the critical cases in NY are people under 50.

    Here's a breakdown of WW deaths by age group:
    https://tinyurl.com/ugfpb3a

    Posted by: ghbucky at March 28, 2020 10:48 AM (s9Eo

    seems to be a lot of conflict between those two statements.

    Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 28, 2020 11:48 AM (miJU3)

    542 Trump signs TAIPEI Act in support of Taiwan.

    Posted by: Braenyard at March 28, 2020 11:31 AM

    Taiwan has been a huge success story regarding COVID-19. Never shut down schools or the country.

    283 cases. 2 deaths.

    https://bit.ly/39wkV5L

    [From one of JJ Sefton's Morning Reports the past week or so. Article is dated March 11th.]

    Posted by: Clyde Shelton at March 28, 2020 11:49 AM (Do5/p)

    543 Browning? How they brought the good new from Ghent to someplace else?
    Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Lone Fire at March 28, 2020 10:51 AM (g8Yc+)

    Well, Browning did bring some good stuff to FN.

    Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 28, 2020 11:51 AM (miJU3)

    544 FML. The closet open golf course is 3 hours away.

    Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 28, 2020 11:23 AM

    Do they have a lot of skeletons there?

    Posted by: Clyde Shelton at March 28, 2020 11:51 AM (Do5/p)

    545 What do you think of Midland?
    Posted by: Puddleglum at March 28, 2020 11:07 AM (MVR7y)

    It's a city in Texas.

    Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 28, 2020 11:56 AM (miJU3)

    546 In 1918 cities shut down for 2 months to contain the spanish flu, following the same measures we are being asked to do now.

    They also drove Model T's and 2 years later created Prohibition.

    It's a good history lesson but a hundred year old historical event does not equal a "plan".

    Posted by: deplorable unperson - sanitized for your protection at March 28, 2020 12:14 PM (mw1Wz)

    547 I was wondering why some healthy young people get COVID-19 and get mild symptoms and are done, while other healthy young people die. Coronavirii are very common across the world, many derived from native bat species (Alpha and Beta subgroups, according to Wikipedia. The other two subgroups come from birds and pigs). I wonder of some the people that get milder reactions to infection had been previously infected by a coronavirus, and their immune system had a broad enough reaction that when they got COVID-19, their body recognized it as a problem pretty fast and shut it down.From the CDC website, the most common coronaviruses are alpha and beta subgroup virii.

    Posted by: jim at March 28, 2020 12:18 PM (DF+pC)

    548 From the twitter thread on France rescinding the HCQ ban because of successful trials:

    Restrictions of HCQ in the USA:

    Democrat Gov. Cuomo of NY bans use of drug unless enrolled in a NY trial.


    Democrat Gov. Sisolak of Nevada bans use outside of emergency room/hospital.


    Democrat Gov Whitmer of MI threatens the licenses of doctors who prescribe hydroxychloroquine

    Posted by: An Observation at March 28, 2020 12:22 PM (aBj17)

    549 Under what authority are these DemonRat governors banning a drug which has been approved for off label use by the FDA?

    Posted by: An Observation at March 28, 2020 12:24 PM (aBj17)

    550 478 The next time one hears or reads about how capitalism doesn't work and that socialism is the future, remember this article:
    "The Inside Story of How H-E-B [a Texas-based supermarket chain] Prepared for the Pandemic"
    LINK: https://preview.tinyurl.com/rhh37pu
    Posted by: mrp at March 28, 2020 11:13 AM (Pqytn)

    Good stuff. Thanks.

    Posted by: m at March 28, 2020 12:31 PM (KXX3K)

    551 Posted by: ghbucky at March 28, 2020 10:29 AM (s9Eo

    The Coronavirus kills mostly older people with underlying conditions. The H1N1 killed people, mostly the young and healthy. Why the difference between the handling of these two pandemics ?
    Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at Marc


    --------

    The difference is the age of our betters. They all seem to be in the demographic of hardest hit!

    Posted by: Chillin the most at March 28, 2020 01:09 PM (lonOK)

    552 Who's started drinking?

    Posted by: Beefy Meatball at March 28, 2020 11:44 AM (sty7e)

    Heh.

    *put down scotch*

    Posted by: Boswell at March 28, 2020 01:56 PM (32YRo)

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