LA Times and Bloomberg News Both Report: Federal Stockpile of N95 Masks Was Depleted Under Obama and Never Restocked

I imagine this is why we saw dozens of fake news "masks don't work" stories -- Obama's minions were putting out the spin because they knew they'd left the country open to a pandemic.

Can't wait to see the new spin.

The national shortage of N95 respirator masks can be traced back to 2009 after the H1N1 swine flu pandemic, when the Obama administration was advised to replenish a national stockpile but did not, according to reports from Bloomberg News and the Los Angeles Times.

The Trump administration is scrambling to replenish a stockpile of protective medical gear for healthcare workers and patients, as the coronavirus sweeps across the nation. N95 respirator masks are one of the most needed medical supplies amid the outbreak.

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1 meep

Posted by: nurse ratched at March 23, 2020 01:07 PM (d7Ww2)

2 meep motherfuckers!

Posted by: nurse ratched at March 23, 2020 01:07 PM (d7Ww2)

3 Grr.

Trump really is the Road Runner.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at March 23, 2020 01:07 PM (iuFgi)

4 I regret that I have but one meep to give to my country.

Posted by: ... at March 23, 2020 01:07 PM (jvCdG)

5 What else would you expect from a person who never ran a damn thing in his miserable life?

Posted by: pep at March 23, 2020 01:08 PM (T6t7i)

6 Willowed:
Call Pelosi's office @ 202-225-4965
And call your senators office and give them hell about this. I want Trump to read this crap she's putting in at the next coronavirus press conference.

Posted by: redridinghood at March 23, 2020 01:08 PM (wiXsO)

7 Wasn't Slow Joe VP back then, or was he busy napping and grifting off of the ChiComs, Ukrainians and Iranians?

Posted by: ErikInTexas at March 23, 2020 01:08 PM (nMj2X)

8 never reported...who knew...

Posted by: USMC 8541 at March 23, 2020 01:08 PM (NmR1a)

9 not first

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at March 23, 2020 01:08 PM (zZbCU)

10 New thread smell

Posted by: Skip at March 23, 2020 01:08 PM (ZCEU2)

11 spoiler: the masks DO help

I will never, ever EVER trust "medical experts" again after this debacle!

they openly LIED to us

Posted by: THE_BlackOrchid_STATE! at March 23, 2020 01:08 PM (j9HX3)

12
But plenty of fetal organs for sale!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 23, 2020 01:09 PM (pS94+)

13 And the medical device tax put on shit like ventilators.

They know best.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at March 23, 2020 01:09 PM (3/G+L)

14 Obama's presidency just looks worse every day.

His first pass historians are gonna have trouble hiding all of this nonsense.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at March 23, 2020 01:09 PM (zZbCU)

15 None of those masks were Stanley Ipkiss-certified, so they were all useless! Throw them away!

Posted by: Broseidon - New Work Computer, Same Work Ethic at March 23, 2020 01:09 PM (icI8A)

16 I am truly shocked that anyone is reporting this story. I would have bet money they would have buried it.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at March 23, 2020 01:09 PM (JUOKG)

17 I will never, ever EVER trust "medical experts" again after this debacle!

they openly LIED to us
Posted by: THE_BlackOrchid_STATE! at March 23, 2020 01:08 PM (j9HX3)

Just like when the CDC lied about how Ebola spread during that last crisis.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at March 23, 2020 01:09 PM (iuFgi)

18 I do not meep at you, sir, but I do meep, sir.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at March 23, 2020 01:10 PM (NWiLs)

19 I have a better canister dust mask for work, but many use those paper masks and suspect when construction works starts they will not be easy to find.

Posted by: Skip at March 23, 2020 01:10 PM (ZCEU2)

20 I wore a mask when I had to go out.
screw it.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 23, 2020 01:10 PM (vEIlU)

21 He needed the masks personally to deflect all the semen from when he was the center of attention at White House bukkake sessions.

Posted by: zombie at March 23, 2020 01:10 PM (N9G0H)

22 17 Just like when the CDC lied about how Ebola spread during that last crisis.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at March 23, 2020 01:09 PM (iuFgi)

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The Hot Zone made ebola sound so much worse than it ended up being.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at March 23, 2020 01:10 PM (zZbCU)

23 All that shit they loaded into the ObamaCare bill in 2010 just months later, and that wasn't included?

Need to tie this to ObamaCare and hang it round their scrawny pissfarting necks.

Posted by: ... at March 23, 2020 01:11 PM (jvCdG)

24

He wasn't even President. He did nothing for the country. Nothing.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 23, 2020 01:11 PM (vEIlU)

25 That beige fuckstick was just the gift that keeps on giving, huh?

Posted by: Lament for a Fallen Nation at March 23, 2020 01:11 PM (Gyhs0)

26 Masks do Work


but people are stupid, so they are not 100% ... but so what? People are not getting educated ... hot zones we may start seeing people wear masks. Good idea.


Soon enough we will be restocked in masks, same with TP, and the hoarders will have to sell their stock that they filled the extra bedroom with.

Posted by: illiniwek at March 23, 2020 01:11 PM (Cus5s)

27 Just to clarify, it was the obama-biden administration.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 23, 2020 01:11 PM (r+sAi)

28 I figure part of the spin will be 'but he's had 3 years to handle this minor detail.'

Yeah, if he wasn't busy every damn day fending off the latest impeachment scam, or Russia scam, or the Iran fuckup, or the Afghanistan clusterfuck, etc and so forth.

Posted by: GnuBreed at March 23, 2020 01:11 PM (Z4rgH)

29 But, but... Trump should have known!!!

Posted by: It's me donna at March 23, 2020 01:11 PM (5bxa0)

30 Did Obama or his people actually running the show never read the parable of the ant and the grasshopper? US policy has always favored the ant (the SNS, the petroleum reserve, gold reserves, etc.) regardless of what stupidity or profligacy otherwise reigns.

But the strategy doesn't work when a grasshopper in ant's clothing wriggles his way in and loots the storehouse.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 23, 2020 01:11 PM (e/H31)

31 All of this, because someone needed their Bat Soup.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at March 23, 2020 01:12 PM (JRaU+)

32 Apparently the anchorettes on CNN haven't heard about this yet.

They're just about shitting themselves over the lack of masks. As soon as they find out the Lightgiver is responsible, you'll never hear of masks again.

Posted by: jwest at March 23, 2020 01:12 PM (mrrpT)

33 I ordered countless breathalyzers, folks.

Posted by: Barkly O at March 23, 2020 01:12 PM (4zvkn)

34 War Turtle is yelling at Manchin. Silver caning is badly needed.

Posted by: azalea city at March 23, 2020 01:12 PM (WX+x0)

35 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge at March 23, 2020 01:12 PM (Zz0t1)

36 You don't think Fredo Bideb had anything to do with it.

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 23, 2020 01:12 PM (E2o2V)

37 "It's spread by mucus droplets in the air! Don't inhale mucus droplets!"

"Hey, these masks specifically state they they filter out mucus droplets."

"MASKS DON'T WORK, YOU VIRUS-DENIER!!!"

Posted by: zombie at March 23, 2020 01:12 PM (N9G0H)

38 I just cannot type what I really feel.

Posted by: rd at March 23, 2020 01:12 PM (+0uDE)

39 None of those masks were Stanley Ipkiss-certified, so they were all useless! Throw them away!
Posted by: Broseidon - New Work Computer, Same Work Ethic at March 23, 2020 01:09 PM


Ssssssssmokin'!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 23, 2020 01:12 PM (ejd/p)

40 We were never to know about any of this. Grandma Death was supposed to be running the show.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at March 23, 2020 01:12 PM (3/G+L)

41 The presidency that shits on America for decades......The Owebama administration.

Posted by: Sponge at March 23, 2020 01:12 PM (Zz0t1)

42 There's a lot of really interesting stuff going on with 3D printing and the maker community and the, let's be honest here, complete ripping off of intellectual property.

There's a discussion for when the dust settles - should the holders of a patent allow short term use of their schematics during an emergency with compensation of some kind by the government? I haven't thought it all the way through, by any means, but it's at least better than what is happening which is EVIL CORPORATIONS WON'T HELP PEOPLE and the poor IP lawyer trying to explain if they do, the patent rights are likely lost.

*confettis Vendette*

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at March 23, 2020 01:12 PM (mf5HN)

43 34 War Turtle is yelling at Manchin. Silver caning is badly needed.
Posted by: azalea city at March 23, 2020 01:12 PM (WX+x0)

His daughter runs Mylan Labs. They'll be fine.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at March 23, 2020 01:13 PM (iuFgi)

44 Spin:

Uh, that, er, uh, was, uh, President Bush's fault.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 23, 2020 01:13 PM (7JECj)

45 Of course, Trump could have ordered more and replenished the supply, so he's not entirely off the hook here.

Waste of time. Nearly every Senator is worth millions, a few weeks/months without a paycheck is not going to hurt them one bit.

Sure, but this isn't about punishing them so much as showing they actually give a crap and are in solidarity with the American people. Plus, they'd scream like a 11 year old girl that had a worm put on her knee.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 23, 2020 01:13 PM (KZzsI)

46 Obama would have gladly replenished the supply, but the Ayatollah never told him to.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at March 23, 2020 01:13 PM (Ndje9)

47 This is one small meep for man, but one giant meep for mankind.

Posted by: Sponge at March 23, 2020 01:13 PM (Zz0t1)

48 wasn't some US Attorney cat talking about novel murder charges for stuff like this? hang 'em high!

Posted by: x at March 23, 2020 01:13 PM (nFwvY)

49 34 War Turtle is yelling at Manchin. Silver caning is badly needed.
Posted by: azalea city at March 23, 2020 01:12 PM (WX+x0)

==========

He found a second hand spine, but it's a spine nonetheless.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at March 23, 2020 01:13 PM (zZbCU)

50 they openly LIED to us

Posted by: THE_BlackOrchid_STATE! at March 23, 2020 01:08 PM (j9HX3)

Depends on the mask. The dust masks probably help a little. The N95 masks 95% effective. N100 100% effective. Think that's always been known, hasn't it? Problem with the dust mask is they don't fit tight to your face, and help more to keep the bugs in than out.

Posted by: clutch cargo at March 23, 2020 01:14 PM (8B6Ng)

51 I ordered countless breathalyzers, folks.
Posted by: Barkly O at March 23, 2020 01:12 PM

uh ...uh ....pantomies inhaler .....uh ....yeah, that uh ..thing, you know ....

Posted by: One of the quiet ones at March 23, 2020 01:14 PM (2GPSc)

52 And the medical device tax put on shit like ventilators.

They know best.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at March 23, 2020 01:09 PM (3/G+L)


Oh yeah, I forgot about that one. Good point.

Posted by: GnuBreed at March 23, 2020 01:14 PM (Z4rgH)

53 Barky McF*ckstick's contributions to our civilization just are never-ending!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 23, 2020 01:14 PM (BiNEL)

54 My Obama hate meter just exploded.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 23, 2020 01:14 PM (ptqGC)

55 I figure part of the spin will be 'but he's had 3 years to handle this minor detail.'

Yeah, if he wasn't busy every damn day fending off the latest impeachment scam, or Russia scam, or the Iran fuckup, or the Afghanistan clusterfuck, etc and so forth.
Posted by: GnuBreed at March 23, 2020 01:11 PM (Z4rgH)
++++++++++++++++
Also, it's not exactly his job. Partly his job.

But the stockpile is built and maintained over time. If you use something out of it, then you should replenish it. And I suspect the people in charge of the stockpile are doing exactly that. But here's the rub: how far back should the new guy go to find out what levels *were* to help guide future levels?

H1N1 was in 2009-2010. If Obama depleted the stockpile and didn't resupply it (or didn't do so well), that means the stockpile has been stable for a long time. How far back are you expected to go? If the new guys (if they are new) pulled, say, five years of data, then what they will see in terms of supplies is the "normal" amount. They wouldn't even have been aware of the depletion under normal circumstances.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 23, 2020 01:14 PM (e/H31)

56 I think I might get a white skull mask.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo. Yes, you. at March 23, 2020 01:14 PM (ifmtJ)

57 I note the article is in the Washington Examiner. It won't see the light of day in any "mainstream" outlet.

Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at March 23, 2020 01:14 PM (plpo6)

58 The Obama Administration acted stupidly.

Posted by: Roy at March 23, 2020 01:14 PM (ABjxW)

59 I still have my nearly 40 year old military gas mask, actually use to use it installing insulation sometimes. For giggles wondered what it would look like wearing it to the grocery store.
Saturday saw maybe 4 people wearing paper masks.

Posted by: Skip at March 23, 2020 01:14 PM (ZCEU2)

60 Timex: It takes a licking and keeps on meeping.

Posted by: John Cameron Swayze at March 23, 2020 01:14 PM (4zvkn)

61 Just another angle to Get Trump.

Vile human scum Democrats.

Posted by: torabora at March 23, 2020 01:15 PM (EqMbh)

62 Sen. John Kennedy speaking now. This should be good.

Posted by: IrishEi at March 23, 2020 01:15 PM (sGotD)

63 At some point, you've made enough N95 masks. Right, Barry?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 23, 2020 01:16 PM (ptqGC)

64 Fortunately, they were able to use the money to fund Iran's nuclear research program.

Posted by: Methos at March 23, 2020 01:16 PM (kOpft)

65 Hey don't blame me. Blame President Jarrett!!!

Posted by: Barky Odumbshit at March 23, 2020 01:16 PM (jvCdG)

66 face colander with a coffee filter?

Posted by: x at March 23, 2020 01:16 PM (nFwvY)

67 Sen. Kennedy:

"This country was founded by geniuses but it's being run by idiots."

He be pissed too.

Posted by: Tami at March 23, 2020 01:16 PM (cF8AT)

68 He needed the masks personally to deflect all the semen from when he was the center of attention at White House bukkake sessions.
Posted by: zombie at March 23, 2020 01:10 PM (N9G0H)
.........

To be fair, he used some for other purposes:

https://tinyurl.com/rxtk22e

Posted by: wth at March 23, 2020 01:16 PM (v0R5T)

69 31 All of this, because someone needed their Bat Soup.
Posted by: Nick in Tallahasse


Actually, it probably didn't come from bat soup directly, but from the live bats stacked up in cages all giving each other the disease, and then the butcher stacks up some cages with live (endangered) pangolins next to the bats, and the pangolins caught it from the bats, and then the butcher caught it from killing, butchering and disemboweling the pangolin (probably from its feces), and then the butcher coughed on customers.

That's what daily life is like in thousands of meat markets al over China. Disgusting and unsanitary to a degree that Westerners can't even imagine.

Posted by: zombie at March 23, 2020 01:16 PM (N9G0H)

70 The meeps fall upon the righteous and the wicked without discrimination.

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 23, 2020 01:17 PM (BiNEL)

71 Make sure you head to Martha's Vinyard and start coughing wildly.

Posted by: Sponge at March 23, 2020 01:17 PM (Zz0t1)

72 29 But, but... Trump should have known!!!
Posted by: It's me donna at March 23, 2020 01:11 PM (5bxa0)

That's exactly what will happen. Bet on it.

Posted by: Jordan61 at March 23, 2020 01:17 PM (Ez6QX)

73 Senator Kennedy, my senator, I really like his down home speaking. Very popular here.

Posted by: One of the quiet ones at March 23, 2020 01:17 PM (2GPSc)

74 I don't buy a mask is necessary, keep your hands from your face after touching public items and if no one is coughing or sneezing toward you your fine.

Posted by: Skip at March 23, 2020 01:17 PM (ZCEU2)

75 I want God to pour out some Old Testament vengeance on the Dems right now.

Posted by: Jmel at March 23, 2020 01:17 PM (OeWgo)

76 67 Sen. Kennedy:

"This country was founded by geniuses but it's being run by idiots."

He be pissed too.
Posted by: Tami at March 23, 2020 01:16 PM (cF8AT)

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He's been reading Instapundit. "Worst political class in history" has been bandied about.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at March 23, 2020 01:17 PM (zZbCU)

77 1 meep
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 23, 2020 01:07 PM (d7Ww2)

2 meep motherfuckers!
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 23, 2020 01:07 PM (d7Ww2)

I'm having deja vu.

Posted by: Surfperch, Sheltering in Place at March 23, 2020 01:17 PM (tVQUs)

78 I've been knee deep in some work emergency stuff all morning and all the while our shih tzu is snoring across the room.

Posted by: jhawk90 at March 23, 2020 01:17 PM (/ZYFC)

79 Annnndddd

Just who would have been VP then?

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 23, 2020 01:17 PM (NgKpN)

80 Underlying the senate anger is personal fear of contracting the wuflu.

Posted by: azalea city at March 23, 2020 01:17 PM (WX+x0)

81 "The brain is an amazing organ. It starts working in your mother's womb, and does not stop working until you get elected to Congress."

_ Sen. Kennedy (LA) (probably cribbed form someone else, seems like a Will Rogers quote).

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at March 23, 2020 01:17 PM (JRaU+)

82 Sure, but this isn't about punishing them so much as showing they actually give a crap and are in solidarity with the American people. Plus, they'd scream like a 11 year old girl that had a worm put on her knee.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 23, 2020 01:13 PM (KZzsI)

*zzzzzzip*

Right?

Posted by: Zombie Jeff Epstein at March 23, 2020 01:17 PM (NWiLs)

83 0bama's presidency was all about feeding his own titanic ego


btw may I suggest that the AoS Stylebook be amended so that '0bama' always be spelled with a zero- 0- rather than an upper case O

Posted by: DB- just DB. at March 23, 2020 01:17 PM (iTXRQ)

84 That's what daily life is like in thousands of meat markets al over China. Disgusting and unsanitary to a degree that Westerners can't even imagine.
Posted by: zombie at March 23, 2020 01:16 PM (N9G0H)

Meanwhile I've never even wanted to go to Golden Corral.

Posted by: ... at March 23, 2020 01:18 PM (jvCdG)

85 You didn't meep that.

Someone else meep that happen.

Posted by: Sponge at March 23, 2020 01:18 PM (Zz0t1)

86 One NYC Hospital used 40,000 masks in one day?

That is 1.2 million per month.

The one 3M plant in the Dakotas makes 35 million masks per month. 35 Million / 1.2 Million. One hospital.

According to MSNBC isn't that about a half million masks per person in the US?

Posted by: rd at March 23, 2020 01:18 PM (+0uDE)

87 Really glad Blormphh closed the borders in 2017 :-/

Posted by: Steven Coof at March 23, 2020 01:18 PM (JzEM6)

88 >>I note the article is in the Washington Examiner. It won't see the light of day in any "mainstream" outlet.

Accept the Examiner was quoting findings in the LA Times and Bloomberg which are indeed mainstream outlets.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 23, 2020 01:18 PM (ZLI7S)

89 77 1 meep
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 23, 2020 01:07 PM (d7Ww2)

2 meep motherfuckers!
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 23, 2020 01:07 PM (d7Ww2)

I'm having deja vu.
Posted by: Surfperch, Sheltering in Place at March 23, 2020 01:17 PM (tVQUs)

Again?

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 23, 2020 01:18 PM (NgKpN)

90

73 Senator Kennedy, my senator, I really like his down home speaking. Very popular here.

Can we trade you Kelly Loeffler for him?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 23, 2020 01:18 PM (ptqGC)

91 Woopsie

Posted by: SH at March 23, 2020 01:18 PM (sX1BW)

92 @ChadPergram

Rare to see such over anger on the Senate flr as Dems/GOPers verbally brawl with one another over the coronavirus bill. Tension really high inside the Capitol now

Posted by: Tami at March 23, 2020 01:18 PM (cF8AT)

93

I was catching up last night on the financial and Fed stuff. Folks, if you think the Fed went big during the '08 crash, well you ain't seen nothing yet.

The Fed is going to buy, backstop, and bailout everything. Every damn thing. They're going to go full YOLO, and crank the printing presses to ludicrous speed.

Former Fed chairs Helicopter Ben and Janet Yellen wrote an op-ed in the Financial Times calling for Congress to amend the Federal Reserve Act to allow the Fed to directly buy stocks and corporate bonds.

That measure is in the the bailout bill they're fighting over now. Just like I was figuring.

In short, the Fed is going to BUY ALL THE THINGS!

First of all, it's gonna have to monetize like a bitch to handle the trillions of fiscal stimulus they're going to pour out, and then it's gonna try to backstop the stock market directly.

Deutsch (Douche) Bank people wrote a piece actually worried about rampant inflation this time. Why? The Fed will be blowing up the money supply at the same time production is shutting down. Stop making goods and services while you're blowing up the money supply.

Yes, folks, it's going to get interesting out there.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at March 23, 2020 01:18 PM (rCwaK)

94 Sponge!

Posted by: Ladyl at March 23, 2020 01:19 PM (TdMsT)

95 Why is everybody always trying to tarnish President Cocknozzle's legacy?

Posted by: Fritz at March 23, 2020 01:19 PM (ATCV4)

96 Old News

Obama is my Chocolate Jesus, so he is blameless

You can't hold the President responsible for every single action taken by a huge Federal government, unless they are Republican.

Any more excuses I missed?

Posted by: West at March 23, 2020 01:19 PM (jqZBS)

97 Kennedy: "The brain starts working in the mother's womb and stops once you get to the Senate."

Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at March 23, 2020 01:19 PM (N54ux)

98 For all their desire for power, dems suck at actual governance

Posted by: IanDeal at March 23, 2020 01:19 PM (vgGyZ)

99 The joke about how under Trump all the masks are coming off? This isn't what we meant.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at March 23, 2020 01:19 PM (SgjGX)

100 zombie read some of the Chinese meat market behavior when this started, discussing stuff.

Posted by: Skip at March 23, 2020 01:19 PM (ZCEU2)

101 92. Good. I hope some friendships deteriorate.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at March 23, 2020 01:19 PM (JRaU+)

102 Memory Holed in 2009...?\\
Never to be seen again in ... 3... 2... 1.

Posted by: dc at March 23, 2020 01:19 PM (u0crE)

103 the poor IP lawyer trying to explain if they do, the patent rights are likely lost.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around.

Couldn't the law be amended that a company can, for a national emergency, allow temporary use of their IP for the duration of the emergency to save lives and property? I know (or think I know) that if companies don't go after every use of their IP, no matter how petty, they've given up their IP rights (which is why you get Disney suing daycare providers for painting Mickey Mouse on their walls.) Or is there no good definition of emergency that can be used? (But, since the Dems won't let us get an emergency bill passed unless it includes the right to mail in ballot voter fraud, there is probably no way to get something like this passed.)

Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at March 23, 2020 01:19 PM (plpo6)

104 How come this does not surprise me?

They used that money to pay off the mullahs..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 23, 2020 01:19 PM (CjFDo)

105 Obama spent $32T or so dollars during his presidency and we got...

Full integration with China and all the diseases that brings.

A couple of lost wars.

Tripled costs for healthcare

40M illegals.






Posted by: 18-1 at March 23, 2020 01:19 PM (WdocV)

106 88 >>I note the article is in the Washington Examiner. It won't see the light of day in any "mainstream" outlet.

Accept the Examiner was quoting findings in the LA Times and Bloomberg which are indeed mainstream outlets.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 23, 2020 01:18 PM (ZLI7S)

===

I accept that fully.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at March 23, 2020 01:19 PM (zZbCU)

107 Will that scrunt Cher demand Obama be tried for murder?

Posted by: CN at March 23, 2020 01:20 PM (ONvIw)

108 Rare to see such over anger on the Senate flr as Dems/GOPers verbally brawl with one another over the coronavirus bill. Tension really high inside the Capitol now

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I say awesome. Bipartisanship sucks. Open partisan warfare with one side winning is how to solve this.

Posted by: SH at March 23, 2020 01:20 PM (sX1BW)

109 Senator Kennedy, my senator, I really like his down home speaking. Very popular here.
Posted by: One of the quiet ones at March 23, 2020 01:17 PM (2GPSc)
~~~~~

Good man.

Posted by: IrishEi at March 23, 2020 01:20 PM (sGotD)

110 To be fair, Barry was busy ordering shrimp.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 23, 2020 01:20 PM (ptqGC)

111 I would like to thank Speaker Pelosi and Gov. Evers for pointing out how fragile I have allowed myself to become.


It won't happen again.

Posted by: Diesel Jones at March 23, 2020 01:20 PM (0CeRG)

112 >Tension really high inside the Capitol now
Posted by: Tami

hey maybe we'll get a nerd slapfight

Posted by: DB- just DB. at March 23, 2020 01:20 PM (iTXRQ)

113 Shit Midas strikes again

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo. Yes, you. at March 23, 2020 01:20 PM (ifmtJ)

114 50 Clutch Cargo, From Quora, https://preview.tinyurl.com/vh6u6aq

All you want to know about respirator masks and their effectiveness including tests. A n95 mask is fine for coronavirus as the virus travels in blobs of saliva when sneezed or coughed into the air. Average aerosol blob is much larger than mask opening.

Posted by: whig at March 23, 2020 01:20 PM (EUDB2)

115 Best President EVAH.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 23, 2020 01:20 PM (YqDXo)

116 My tablet stiill suggests Barky's real name if I type President

Posted by: Skip at March 23, 2020 01:20 PM (ZCEU2)

117 Dummy Chris Murphy up now saying it's now a bi-partisan bill because the D's were kept out of it.

My God...the ease with which they lie...it's breathtaking!

Posted by: Tami at March 23, 2020 01:20 PM (cF8AT)

118 Underlying the senate anger is personal fear of contracting the wuflu.
Posted by: azalea city at March 23, 2020 01:17 PM (WX+x0)

-------

They should worry that they ...

Nope not gonna say it.

Posted by: rd at March 23, 2020 01:20 PM (+0uDE)

119 42 There's a lot of really interesting stuff going on with 3D printing and the maker community and the, let's be honest here, complete ripping off of intellectual property.

There's a discussion for when the dust settles - should the holders of a patent allow short term use of their schematics during an emergency with compensation of some kind by the government? I haven't thought it all the way through, by any means, but it's at least better than what is happening which is EVIL CORPORATIONS WON'T HELP PEOPLE and the poor IP lawyer trying to explain if they do, the patent rights are likely lost....

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at March 23, 2020 01:12 PM (mf5HN)


Sounds very much like discussion of somewhat elevated temperature I had with wifey this weekend about this very subject. My position was we either have laws or we don't, and if we don't tell me know because I can certainly modify my behavior accordingly. Her's was that rules can be bent or broken depending on whom is doing the bending or breaking and for what reason. Personal issues aside, what I also see happening in this case is one of these homemade gizzmos fails and not the maker, but the holder of the IP, is going to be held responsible.

Posted by: moon_over_vermont at March 23, 2020 01:21 PM (kUmUV)

120 E'rybody meeps somebody, sometime.

Posted by: Sponge at March 23, 2020 01:21 PM (Zz0t1)

121 I think we all know that a new president should personally check that the nation is stocked up on all supplies that were depleted by the previous Shit Midas that was president.
What else are we going to find out Obama fucked up and fucked us on?

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at March 23, 2020 01:21 PM (pw+jk)

122 Arrest the members of the Chinese party. I can't think of a clearer example of treason in my lifetime.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 23, 2020 01:21 PM (WdocV)

123 108 Rare to see such over anger on the Senate flr as Dems/GOPers verbally brawl with one another over the coronavirus bill. Tension really high inside the Capitol now

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I say awesome. Bipartisanship sucks. Open partisan warfare with one side winning is how to solve this.
Posted by: SH at March 23, 2020 01:20 PM (sX1BW)

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I kinda wish they don't pass anything, and instead work to get these lockdowns done. No stimulus is going to keep the economy going, only getting the economy going again will do that.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at March 23, 2020 01:21 PM (zZbCU)

124 Chris Murphy now. He's one of the biggest a-holes in the Senate.

#BeBetter Connecticut.

Posted by: IrishEi at March 23, 2020 01:21 PM (sGotD)

125 Medical device tax...

You should be thanking me!

Posted by: Barky O'Bama at March 23, 2020 01:21 PM (BiNEL)

126 Just pee on your handkerchief and use that for a mask. Worked for the Canucks when the Hun lobbed gas at Ypres.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at March 23, 2020 01:21 PM (C1Lsn)

127 You finish the joe, you make some mo'.

This is known.

Posted by: Chunk Hunger at March 23, 2020 01:21 PM (uM6CE)

128 >>Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts

Don't mess with me, I'm on the edge.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 23, 2020 01:21 PM (ZLI7S)

129 hey maybe we'll get a nerd slapfight

Put that on pay per view and half the debt

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 23, 2020 01:21 PM (KZzsI)

130 DEMS are still paralyzed from 1994. They are simply not used to "bipartisan" meaning 50/50 or thereabouts. They still want it to be closer to 80/20 as it was form the New Deal through 1994.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at March 23, 2020 01:21 PM (JRaU+)

131 Shame duels were outlawed, especially in the Senate

Posted by: Skip at March 23, 2020 01:21 PM (ZCEU2)

132
Any more excuses I missed?

Posted by: West at March 23, 2020 01:19 PM (jqZBS)

- Congressional Republicans obstructed the mask replenishment.

- this is straight up racism

Posted by: ... at March 23, 2020 01:21 PM (jvCdG)

133 Barry's kept a damn low profile and kept his mouth shut for the most part...this N95 report is probably just the tip of the iceberg...


Asshole.

Posted by: H Badger at March 23, 2020 01:21 PM (n/0Nw)

134 124 Chris Murphy now. He's one of the biggest a-holes in the Senate.

#BeBetter Connecticut.
Posted by: IrishEi at March 23, 2020 01:21 PM (sGotD)

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I can hear Connecticut laughing from my house.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at March 23, 2020 01:21 PM (zZbCU)

135 88 >>I note the article is in the Washington Examiner. It won't see the light of day in any "mainstream" outlet.

Accept the Examiner was quoting findings in the LA Times and Bloomberg which are indeed mainstream outlets.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 23, 2020 01:18 PM (


Yeah this will be their "the media isn't biased! See it was covered!" One day only never to be brought up again.

Posted by: Buzzion at March 23, 2020 01:22 PM (G2zl5)

136 And I really, really need just one or two N95 masks right now. Not kidding.

I've got to power-sand the texture off of a wall in the 3rd bedroom, prior to repairing water damage from a (now repaired) leak in the exterior caulking.

What I don't want to do, is work in a cloud of un-filtered sheetrock dust. Might not be asbestos, but it damn sure can't be good for the lungs, either.

And compromising me lungs is not an attractive option given the Kung Flu virus out there.



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at March 23, 2020 01:22 PM (QzJWU)

137 I kinda wish they don't pass anything, and instead work to get these lockdowns done. No stimulus is going to keep the economy going, only getting the economy going again will do that.

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Ding ding ding.

Everything else is meaningless in the grand scheme of things.

Posted by: SH at March 23, 2020 01:22 PM (sX1BW)

138 106, The shutdown thing and china thing is costing Bloomberg money, from the evidence that his girlfriend said, he wasn't all into Obama anyway.

Posted by: whig at March 23, 2020 01:22 PM (EUDB2)

139 128 >>Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts

Don't mess with me, I'm on the edge.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 23, 2020 01:21 PM (ZLI7S)

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Except that I won't accept that.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at March 23, 2020 01:22 PM (zZbCU)

140 It's full of meeps.

Posted by: G. Gnome at March 23, 2020 01:22 PM (al6UK)

141 86 One NYC Hospital used 40,000 masks in one day?


Yes, and Bloomberg spent enough on his campaign to give every person in the U.S. one million dollars.

Journalists are math geniuses.

Posted by: jwest at March 23, 2020 01:22 PM (mrrpT)

142 It's worse than that, Ace -- Trump has destroyed the Obama economic miracle.

Posted by: ShainS at March 23, 2020 01:22 PM (brYzZ)

143 Joe will get right on it.

Posted by: Czech Chick at March 23, 2020 01:22 PM (haWye)

144 All Politicians and Media should wear the ineffective masks to hide THEIR SHAME.

ugly inside and out.


How's about a RESET for ALL THESE PARASITES.???

Posted by: saf at March 23, 2020 01:22 PM (5IHGB)

145 The whole is very disgusting. HIH told Bhussein he needed to stockpile about 1.5 Billion. He did about half that and then they burned through about 500 M during H1N1 Swine Flu 2009 2010.

Posted by: rhennigantx at March 23, 2020 01:22 PM (JFO2v)

146 Not going to blame Trump or Obama for this. Both were told that the stockpile needed to be replenished but - just like the coffee pot at the office - there's a rule.

You Kill It, You Fill it.

Thanks Obama!

Posted by: Defenestratus at March 23, 2020 01:22 PM (9V81o)

147 Bin Laden is still dead, and GM is back in business again....making ventilators. Masks? What masks?

Posted by: Barkly O at March 23, 2020 01:22 PM (4zvkn)

148 Deutsch (Douche) Bank people wrote a piece actually worried about rampant inflation this time. Why? The Fed will be blowing up the money supply at the same time production is shutting down. Stop making goods and services while you're blowing up the money supply.

Yes, folks, it's going to get interesting out there.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at March 23, 2020 01:18 PM (rCwaK)
+++++++++++++++
One of the reasons that the last Fed excess (QE1-3 + interest rate repression) didn't cause a big inflation is that they have been able to destroy the extra money they created by letting it mature off and not reissuing new-new capital to buy equivalent amounts. In essence, the "quantitative tightening" happened by default as the securities they owned matured. The maturity was paid to the fed, the interest was remitted to the treasury and the principal was destroyed. It was contained and most of the inflation was limited to the financial markets (low bond yields, high stocks).

If they go broad-spectrum with helicopter drops, direct purchasing of equities and who knows what else, that probably won't work again.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 23, 2020 01:22 PM (e/H31)

149 Shame Di-Fi still didn't have her Chinese national as a driver

Posted by: Skip at March 23, 2020 01:22 PM (ZCEU2)

150 When this is over there will be a great opportunity for investigative journalists in uncovering how big cities, states, and federal institutions such as the CDC were so unprepared to deal with it. Not in the "who could prepare for every possible crisis" kind of way, but in the "Hey, de Blasio's wife was allowed to piss away almost $1 billion n a no tangible results mental health program while Bill slacked on even the most basic duties including stocking n95 masks" way.

Also, there will be some great stories of private citizens, and private companies, performing amazing feats of ingenuity, production, and caring far beyond what out current toxic popular culture could ever conceive of.

Old and busted: Cancel culture, luxury beliefs (e.g. "my pronouns are. . ."), diversity is our strength/priority, top down governance

New hotness: Traditional beliefs and practices, individual acts of kindness, creative private action over bureaucracy and red tape, federalism

Posted by: Lizzy at March 23, 2020 01:22 PM (bDqIh)

151 Video of Susan Collins earlier...

@DailyCaller

https://tinyurl.com/ra62v8a

Posted by: Tami at March 23, 2020 01:23 PM (cF8AT)

152 Yeah you'd have expected Bathhouse Barry to be front and center mocking Trump but his response to the last big plague was so bad he probably would rather people forgot

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 23, 2020 01:23 PM (KZzsI)

153 from my dentist:

"At this time, the department of health prohibits us from seeing all patients, including emergencies. The new restrictions require n95 masks and negative pressure ventilation in the treatment rooms. Currently, no dental office can comply with these requirements.

Stay safe and stay healthy!"

Floss and brush, horde!!!

Posted by: vmom 2020 at March 23, 2020 01:23 PM (G546f)

154
Pffffffft ..


Ace. That was for the flu. That doesnt matter. This isnt the flu.... so your point is moot.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 23, 2020 01:23 PM (nw6Hr)

155 Never forget, China is asshole!

https://tinyurl.com/qvkwxgy

Posted by: JackStraw at March 23, 2020 01:23 PM (ZLI7S)

156 Great meeping Ratched!

Posted by: CN at March 23, 2020 01:23 PM (ONvIw)

157 You have nothing to fear from a Barack Obama presidency.

Posted by: John McCain at March 23, 2020 01:23 PM (xPYsj)

158 I wish I was more certain that the economic package the Congress is working on would help, instead of more Keynesian bullshit that we are pretty sure will prolong the agony. (See 2008 Porkulus and the Great Depression.)

Posted by: IronDave at March 23, 2020 01:23 PM (827We)

159 Don't mess with me, I'm on the edge.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 23, 2020 01:21 PM (ZLI7S)


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Time to put on some Grateful Dead

Posted by: SH at March 23, 2020 01:23 PM (sX1BW)

160

ME E.P......................... call home...........roadrunner.

Posted by: saf at March 23, 2020 01:23 PM (5IHGB)

161 My Obama hate meter just exploded.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 23, 2020 01:14 PM (ptqGC)

Yours was still intact?

Posted by: Surfperch, Sheltering in Place at March 23, 2020 01:23 PM (tVQUs)

162 Anyone standing up and lying to the American public during this senate shit should be immediately called a liar by the next speaker.

This shit MUST be stamped out.

Posted by: Sponge at March 23, 2020 01:23 PM (Zz0t1)

163 I thought Connecticut was in Canada.

Well what

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at March 23, 2020 01:23 PM (A2RfV)

164 Not going to blame Trump or Obama for this. Both were told that the stockpile needed to be replenished but - just like the coffee pot at the office - there's a rule.

You Kill It, You Fill it.


I agree, Trump should have done it but the blame is on Obama. He used it up and didn't bother doing anything about getting it replenished.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 23, 2020 01:23 PM (KZzsI)

165 I used to work for a company that produced the material (non-wovens) for masks and other medical supplies.

The plants were located in...

Chy nah

Posted by: MJ at March 23, 2020 01:23 PM (gAMkn)

166 "Don't mess with me, I'm on the edge.

Posted by: JackStraw"
Me too. Having hot dogs with ketchup.

Posted by: f'd, roughing it at March 23, 2020 01:24 PM (Tnijr)

167 Anecdote: I was out and about today, prescription, gasoline, etc., and traffic seems to have picked up.

It appears, at least locally, that people are getting on with their lives.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at March 23, 2020 01:24 PM (WEBkv)

168 N95 masks and vaccines a-pumping
Self-quarantine and the market is slumping
Some guy in China ate soup with bat wings --
These are just some of my favorite things!

Posted by: zombie at March 23, 2020 01:24 PM (N9G0H)

169 Old News



Obama is my Chocolate Jesus, so he is blameless



You can't hold the President responsible for every single action taken by a huge Federal government, unless they are Republican.



Any more excuses I missed?





Posted by: West at March 23, 2020 01:19 PM (jqZBS)

===
Medical masks are white racism and mocha preezy was not aware because of his African background. In short, it is always whitey's fault. In truth Obama was SHIT MIDAS.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at March 23, 2020 01:24 PM (pw+jk)

170 140
It's full of meeps.





Posted by: G. Gnome at March 23, 2020 01:22 PM (al6UK)

__________

We're in meep shit with the Meep State.

Posted by: ShainS at March 23, 2020 01:24 PM (brYzZ)

171 but it's at least better than what is happening which is EVIL CORPORATIONS WON'T HELP PEOPLE and the poor IP lawyer trying to explain if they do, the patent rights are likely lost....


I thought patents were able to be selectively enforced by the patent holder, and it was trademarks that needed to be defended or lost?

Posted by: Blanco Basura - hiding out in the secret mountain lair at March 23, 2020 01:25 PM (SchxB)

172 That's what daily life is like in thousands of meat
markets al over China. Disgusting and unsanitary to a degree that
Westerners can't even imagine.

Posted by: zombie at March 23, 2020 01:16 PM (N9G0H)


Ace posted that link to an article on ending wet markets a few days back. They're beyond horrific. I think there's a video (or was) on YT of some guy cooking a dog, alive.

There's also a 5 year old video on YT about why bats have so many diseases. I've heard more than one person claim that the wet market (which has since been torn down) this was supposed to have originated from was getting their stock from the biolab nearby. Done testing? Sell them to the market.

Posted by: clutch cargo at March 23, 2020 01:25 PM (8B6Ng)

173 I person could go through easily 6 masks a day if in a heavy germ area such as a hospital I would think. Once worn and contaminated removing it it should be tossed.

Posted by: Skip at March 23, 2020 01:25 PM (ZCEU2)

174 For all their desire for power, dems suck at actual governance


They just enjoy seeing people jump at their command. Or go bankrupt when entire sectors of the economy get moved to China for no reason at their command.

I was aghast to see the quotes of the congresscritters who voted for NAFTA at the time: "Yes, I knew it would cost American jobs, but I voted for it anyway."

Joey Bidet was one of them.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #CancelChina at March 23, 2020 01:25 PM (HaL55)

175

WHO is that MASKED MAN ?

Posted by: saf at March 23, 2020 01:25 PM (5IHGB)

176 this N95 report is probably just the tip of the iceberg...

Posted by: H Badger at March 23, 2020 01:21 PM (n/0Nw)

Yes. Just the tip.

Posted by: The Iceberg at March 23, 2020 01:25 PM (jvCdG)

177 when the Obama administration was advised to replenish a national stockpile but did not

I'm pretty sure I'm better at logistics than my logistics experts...

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at March 23, 2020 01:25 PM (Y9zp1)

178 ^^ A BILLIONAIRE?

Posted by: saf at March 23, 2020 01:25 PM (5IHGB)

179
To be fair, Barry was busy ordering shrimp.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 23, 2020 01:20 PM (ptqGC)

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Saw some asshole buying all the clam, crablegs and mussels they had.

I told him to stop being so shellfish ...

Posted by: fixerupper at March 23, 2020 01:25 PM (nw6Hr)

180 Do you mean OBAMA DIDN'T LISTEN TO THE EXPERTS???

Oh, it's fine since he was so presidential and clearly meant well?

Carry on, then.

Posted by: chique d'Epstein didn't off hisself at March 23, 2020 01:26 PM (9hauA)

181 >>Chris Murphy now. He's one of the biggest a-holes in the Senate.


I guess he didn't get the Wuhan Flu from the Iranians when he secretly met with them in February?

Posted by: Lizzy at March 23, 2020 01:26 PM (bDqIh)

182 "Hey, de Blasio's wife was allowed to piss away almost $1 billion n a no tangible results mental health program while Bill slacked on even the most basic duties including stocking n95 masks" way.
____________________

To be fair, there were some tangible results: Lots of DeBlasio's wife's friends fattened their bank accounts.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at March 23, 2020 01:26 PM (k4dH2)

183 My tablet stiill suggests Barky's real name if I type President

Posted by: Skip at March 23, 2020 01:20 PM (ZCEU2)
...........

Barry Soetoro?

Posted by: wth at March 23, 2020 01:26 PM (v0R5T)

184 Wife is a dental hygienist. No elective procedures, only emergencies.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at March 23, 2020 01:26 PM (3/G+L)

185 Fuck.

Tribal leaders in Montana don't believe they're going to get a big enough piece of pork.

Indians are pussies and pussies get fucked. But sometimes, indians are assholes. Assholes get fucked too. Sometimes, you just can't get around it.

Posted by: jwest at March 23, 2020 01:26 PM (mrrpT)

186 This is unconscionable what the dems are doing. I figured there would be some bs crap in this thing when it was done, but to hold the whole country hostage pisses me off to no end.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 23, 2020 01:26 PM (r+sAi)

187 Fox Business keeps saying the market is down because the Senate can't get its act together.

But that's not the really the story, is it?

Posted by: Blutarski at March 23, 2020 01:26 PM (VNfwt)

188 Couldn't the law be amended that a company can, for a national emergency, allow temporary use of their IP for the duration of the emergency to save lives and property? I know (or think I know) that if companies don't go after every use of their IP, no matter how petty, they've given up their IP rights (which is why you get Disney suing daycare providers for painting Mickey Mouse on their walls.) Or is there no good definition of emergency that can be used? (But, since the Dems won't let us get an emergency bill passed unless it includes the right to mail in ballot voter fraud, there is probably no way to get something like this passed.)
Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at March 23, 2020 01:19 PM (plpo6)



That's what I'm thinking - hell, IP law is so insane that might already be the case but no one dares test it.

The problem is once those schematics hit the interwebs, buh bye. Everyone with a 3D printer will download them and go to town. Good luck rebottling the genie.

Because I am, at heart, a cockeyed optimist, I just think there is a happy medium between NO NEVER EVER EVER and INFORMATION WANTS TO BE FREEEEEEE.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at March 23, 2020 01:26 PM (mf5HN)

189 5 What else would you expect from a person who never ran a damn thing in his miserable life?
Posted by: pep at March 23, 2020 01:08 PM (T6t7i)


He ran his mouth.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 23, 2020 01:26 PM (YqDXo)

190 I agree, Trump should have done it but the blame is on Obama. He used it up and didn't bother doing anything about getting it replenished.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 23, 2020 01:23 PM (KZzsI)

Did Trump know the stockpiles were depleted since 2009?

Posted by: CN at March 23, 2020 01:27 PM (ONvIw)

191 "130 DEMS are still paralyzed from 1994. They are simply not used to "bipartisan" meaning 50/50 or thereabouts. They still want it to be closer to 80/20 as it was form the New Deal through 1994."

This. Exactly, spot on, so true. It's why the cucks remain cucks, too.

While the bad outweighs the real-time, Democrats are taking ownership of the economic collapse by this stunt.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at March 23, 2020 01:27 PM (puu6v)

192 I've always been interested in cottage industry for manufactured products. This would be a good item, maybe bringing back some work in small towns.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at March 23, 2020 01:27 PM (C1Lsn)

193 Jeez, I hadn't considered how badly this has hurt Obama's economy.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - won't somebody think of the chyron?!! at March 23, 2020 01:27 PM (41rs/)

194 I despise Durbin. He's an unctuous twat.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 23, 2020 01:27 PM (ZLI7S)

195 "At this time, the department of health prohibits us from seeing all
patients, including emergencies. The new restrictions require n95 masks
and negative pressure ventilation in the treatment rooms. Currently, no
dental office can comply with these requirements.

====
"negative pressure ventilation" There is a word for that because it is very common, VACUUM.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at March 23, 2020 01:27 PM (pw+jk)

196 Will the masks also prevent blood-borne viruses? Asking for some friends...

Posted by: Our 1%-ers at March 23, 2020 01:27 PM (Y9zp1)

197 Are we surprised anymore? Incompetence, Malfeasance or Malice? Choose wisely Dems (haha), none of the answers are good.

Posted by: saxinis.kion at March 23, 2020 01:27 PM (pV3H4)

198 Can't I finish my waffle, sweetie?

Posted by: Bathhouse Barry at March 23, 2020 01:28 PM (ZGrMX)

199 136 Jim, look into one of the power vacuum sanders that they use to take down textured ceilings without generating a lot of dust. You will need a hepa filter on your shopvac to use them. Minimal dust generated.

Posted by: whig at March 23, 2020 01:28 PM (EUDB2)

200 person could go through easily 6 masks a day if in a heavy germ area such as a hospital I would think. Once worn and contaminated removing it it should be tossed.
Posted by: Skip

==

some hospital workers are now using cloth masks over N95 to extend the life of the N95

Posted by: vmom 2020 at March 23, 2020 01:28 PM (G546f)

201 N95 masks and vaccines a-pumping

_________


Did anybody else recite this to the Stevie Ray Vaughan tune "Willie the Wimp and his Cadillac coffin ..."?

Posted by: ShainS at March 23, 2020 01:28 PM (brYzZ)

202 Let's say some uh guy...prepper type has a box of N-95s laying around.


Would a single box be helpful and how would this guy get them to the critical locations?


Posted by: deplorable unperson - sanitized for your protection at March 23, 2020 01:28 PM (mw1Wz)

203 "negative pressure ventilation" There is a word for that because it is very common, VACUUM.

Point of order: SUCTION.

Posted by: Peter "Peter" Buttigieg at March 23, 2020 01:28 PM (Y9zp1)

204 Six months from now, I'd best not see Ko'Rona Vyress, 6lb 5oz.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 23, 2020 01:28 PM (2GjZZ)

205 #meeptoo

Posted by: wth at March 23, 2020 01:28 PM (v0R5T)

206 "187 Fox Business keeps saying the market is down because the Senate can't get its act together.

But that's not the really the story, is it?"

No. This Senate bill is band-aids for a severed artery, but it's pushing blame onto the Democrats. FWIW.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at March 23, 2020 01:28 PM (puu6v)

207 ^^^ ONCE worn and contaminated? Why is it contaminated,and if you are infected you are preventing the spread,if you are not infected it's just for your EGO.

Logic please. do you throw your sneakers out 7 timea aday too????

Posted by: saf at March 23, 2020 01:29 PM (5IHGB)

208 183 Barry Soetoro?
Posted by: wth at March 23, 2020 01:26 PM (v0R5T)

I mean, technically, shouldn't it be Barry Dunham, since Stanley wasn't married, afaik?

Posted by: Allie at March 23, 2020 01:29 PM (vmRc0)

209 Mask- not what you can do for your country!

Posted by: Jaw Neff Canine-breath at March 23, 2020 01:29 PM (4zvkn)

210
Jim

Sunk New Dawn

Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at March 23, 2020 01:22 PM (QzJWU)


I just saw a 10 pack of N95's on eBay for $35, but that was a week ago. There were of course gougers asking $100 for one. I thought large respirators were still available? Too unwieldy for hospital work.

Posted by: clutch cargo at March 23, 2020 01:29 PM (8B6Ng)

211
Yeah.

My belief in pending doom is severely diminished when the powers that be end up failing to agree on how to divvy up all that sweet sweet graft.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 23, 2020 01:29 PM (nw6Hr)

212 Fox Business keeps saying the market is down because the Senate can't get its act together.

But that's not the really the story, is it?

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I'd say the market is down because we have closed the country.

Flooding it with money printed out of thin air isn't going to do shit if we don't open it back up.

Posted by: SH at March 23, 2020 01:29 PM (sX1BW)

213 Well there ya go!

That was the reason Trump fired the Pandemic response team (no it isn't because no he didn't).

The Pandemic response team didn't restock the masks! How good could they have been at their jobs!


Posted by: DamnedYankee at March 23, 2020 01:29 PM (e284m)

214 power vacuum sanders
Posted by: whig


Is that what happens when Bernie assumes control after Antifa burns down DC?

Posted by: zombie at March 23, 2020 01:29 PM (N9G0H)

215 This economic crisis that threatens and endangers our nation is now being used as a tool tool to push demorats agendas in the Senate. Demorats see this Corona viris crisis as a gun to Americas head, and if the government doesn't cave to demorats wish list demands the demorats will block aid and assistance to America/Americans in desperate need.
Didn't i tell you naysayers/deniers this flu crisis was political-politicized ? Our nation in crisis and demorats only see the opportunity to hold a gun to America's head and get away with unreasonable greedy demands.

Posted by: ron n. at March 23, 2020 01:29 PM (om5HK)

216 180 Do you mean OBAMA DIDN'T LISTEN TO THE EXPERTS???

Oh, it's fine since he was so presidential and clearly meant well?

Carry on, then.
Posted by: chique d'Epstein didn't off hisself


I thought the JEF was always the smartest person in the room, regardless of the situation.

Posted by: nurse ratched at March 23, 2020 01:29 PM (d7Ww2)

217 "He's an unctuous twat."

Who needs a subscription to Reader's Digest, I get all my Word Power from Ace's morons.

Posted by: saxinis.kion at March 23, 2020 01:29 PM (pV3H4)

218 You did a heck of a job, Baracky.

Posted by: Mikey NTH Come to thePanic Party at The Outrage Outlet! at March 23, 2020 01:30 PM (VCMZN)

219 Democrats pretending they've been readying us for pandemics for the last 3 years instead of, you know, Russia Russia, shampeachment, "shithole" , "pussy grabbing", getting legal advice from Michael Avenatti, going senile...

The Serious Party.

Posted by: ... at March 23, 2020 01:30 PM (jvCdG)

220
I mean, technically, shouldn't it be Barry Dunham, since Stanley wasn't married, afaik?

Posted by: Allie at March 23, 2020 01:29 PM (vmRc0)
So technically I've been right - Barry the Bastard.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at March 23, 2020 01:30 PM (e284m)

221 We didn't replenish the stockpile because we needed the masks, and gowns and other essential medical supplies for our friends in Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas and Hezbollah. So shut up!

Posted by: John Abu-Brennan at March 23, 2020 01:30 PM (NVYyb)

222 This is all the fault of Kathleen Syphilis

Posted by: SMOD at March 23, 2020 01:30 PM (3aI0K)

223 Of I wear a mask in public, it will be a rubber Freddy Krueger mask. It won't help with virus protection, but social distance will be epic.

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at March 23, 2020 01:30 PM (myjNJ)

224 Dick Durban.

Before he dicks you.


Yeah, it's old.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 23, 2020 01:30 PM (ptqGC)

225 Dan Crenshaw just said on Twitter that the Dems want 3 things:

1) Unions to have majorly expanded powers
2) Tougher emissions standards
3) Limitless tax credits for wind and solar

Uhh, yeah.

Posted by: Ian S. at March 23, 2020 01:30 PM (ZGrMX)

226 Olympics postponed until 2021.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at March 23, 2020 01:30 PM (2DOZq)

227 Well working on a old tree stump so better head back outside.

Posted by: Skip at March 23, 2020 01:30 PM (ZCEU2)

228 Would a single box be helpful and how would this guy get them to the critical locations?


Posted by: deplorable unperson - sanitized for your protection at March 23, 2020 01:28 PM (mw1Wz)

I think the CDC has a list of proven virus N95 masks online. Not all are useful apparently. I have a few, but I am keeping them.

Posted by: CN at March 23, 2020 01:30 PM (ONvIw)

229 I thought patents were able to be selectively
enforced by the patent holder, and it was trademarks that needed to be
defended or lost?

Posted by: Blanco Basura - hiding out in the secret mountain lair at March 23, 2020 01:25 PM (Schx
===
NO. If you do not aggressively go after every infringement you can and most likely will lose the patent to public domain.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at March 23, 2020 01:30 PM (pw+jk)

230 SEND ME THE MONEY!

Actually, if the Fed is buying up all these financial assets, I would rather get a list of what they buy. I will then take the dollar equivalent in depressed stocks or bonds. Even sweeter if there is no income tax.

If they insist on sending me money, maybe the best thing is to short toilet paper futures.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at March 23, 2020 01:31 PM (e1mEI)

231 I imagine this is why we saw dozens of fake news "masks don't work" stories

It seems to me they lied to us about the masks so they wouldn't be hoarded. Occam's Razor says that's a lot more believable than a conspiracy by former Obama aides. Especially since, you know...we actually saw and heard our government lie to us about masks not being effective.

Trump going along with that/being dragged along with that is the one thing he's done that's pissed me off so far. I don't like being played.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at March 23, 2020 01:31 PM (KxVoZ)

232 I just saw a 10 pack of N95's on eBay for $35, but that was a week ago. There were of course gougers asking $100 for one.

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If only there was some sort of price signal that would get more companies to produce more masks or other critical supplies in which the demand is high, but the supply low.

Posted by: SH at March 23, 2020 01:31 PM (sX1BW)

233 Obama probably stole the money to make ObamaCare look better

Posted by: SMOD at March 23, 2020 01:31 PM (3aI0K)

234 I agree, Trump should have done it but the blame is on Obama. He used it up and didn't bother doing anything about getting it replenished.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 23, 2020 01:23 PM (KZzsI)

Did Trump know the stockpiles were depleted since 2009?
Posted by: CN at March 23, 2020 01:27 PM (ONvIw)


Realistically, it would have been amazing if he'd known about that. With all the other stuff he's had to deal with, until a few months ago masks had to be at the bottom of the list.

Imagine coming into the Oval Office, and saying, "Mr. President, once you're through fighting off faked allegations of Russian collusion, impeachment, the wetback invasion, North Korea, getting NATO's hands out of their pockets, etc. we need to replenish the emergency supply of hospital masks. "

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 23, 2020 01:31 PM (YqDXo)

235 >>To be fair, there were some tangible results: Lots of DeBlasio's wife's friends fattened their bank accounts.


IIRC, there was literally no record of what happened to the money. Nothing. No detailed accounts, no statistics on their alleged program; nothing.

Almost $1 BILLION dollars of NYC money just disappeared.

!!!

Posted by: Lizzy at March 23, 2020 01:31 PM (bDqIh)

236 Hey DOCTOR FAlCI what did you know about the stockpile of masks? Too busy writing fanboy letters to the Beast? Bet Fatchi does not show up for the pressers. Hope not.

Posted by: azalea city at March 23, 2020 01:31 PM (WX+x0)

237 225 Dan Crenshaw just said on Twitter that the Dems want 3 things:

1) Unions to have majorly expanded powers
2) Tougher emissions standards
3) Limitless tax credits for wind and solar

Uhh, yeah.
Posted by: Ian S. at March 23, 2020 01:30 PM (ZGrMX)

========

And then COVID-19 will go away.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at March 23, 2020 01:31 PM (zZbCU)

238 Obama was a better epidemiologist than his epidemiologists.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - won't somebody think of the chyron?!! at March 23, 2020 01:31 PM (41rs/)

239 Not going to blame Trump or Obama for this. Both were told that the stockpile needed to be replenished but - just like the coffee pot at the office - there's a rule.

You Kill It, You Fill it.

Thanks Obama!
Posted by: Defenestratus at March 23, 2020 01:22 PM (9V81o)
+++++++++++++++
Were both of them told? And did either of them actually have to sign off on it, or should it have happened administratively?

More curious than anything else. And I agree on the "you kill it, you fill it" - especially because the depletion would have happened many years before Trump took over and I don't know how far back in time the stockpile is assessed by the new guy. I'd be surprised if it was more than 5 years (if that), so any major slump in supplies from H1N1 wouldn't be on the list in that case.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 23, 2020 01:31 PM (e/H31)

240 I will order some SUCTION HOW LONG is the line?

Posted by: saf at March 23, 2020 01:31 PM (5IHGB)

241 CNBC resport Schumer saying deal is close .. stocks rebound a bit
Is this all a ploy to play the stock market ?

Posted by: SMOD at March 23, 2020 01:31 PM (3aI0K)

242 Did Trump know the stockpiles were depleted since 2009?

I doubt it. Might have been in a report on his desk at some point, but whether he saw it or not, who knows. Every president has priorities, but it was his responsibility once he took office. Just like it was when Obama took office, but he definitely knew about it and was under the burden to replace what he used up. So the bulk of the blame has to be on Obama.

Its just a good leader takes responsibility for what happens under their leadership, if not blame.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 23, 2020 01:31 PM (KZzsI)

243 226 Olympics postponed until 2021.
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at March 23, 2020 01:30 PM (2DOZq)

=======

Another year for the IOC to extract money from Japan. Good on them.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at March 23, 2020 01:32 PM (zZbCU)

244 Would a single box be helpful and how would this guy get them to the critical locations?


Posted by: deplorable unperson - sanitized for your protection at March 23, 2020 01:28 PM (mw1Wz)


I'm sure you could duck-duck-go the question to send you to a medical facility that could use them. I feel bad I didn't grab some when I saw them at a reasonable price, but wasn't expecting this kind of insanity. I've got mine, but worry about my mom's nursing home or some of the other smaller facilities in the area.

Posted by: clutch cargo at March 23, 2020 01:32 PM (8B6Ng)

245 The national shortage of N95 respirator masks can be traced back to 2009 after the H1N1 swine flu pandemic, when the Obama administration was advised to replenish a national stockpile but did not, according to reports from Bloomberg News and the Los Angeles Times.

Let me be, uh, clear, this is the, ummm, first time I've, ah, heard about this.

Posted by: The JEF at March 23, 2020 01:32 PM (DMUuz)

246 Just got a news alert:

Schools in NC closed to May 15th.

Theaters, nail and hair salons (thank you God, I was regingered two weeks ago), bowling alleys, gyms, all closed.

No public gatherings over 50 people.

There are 297 cases in the entire state.

Either this is WAAAAYYY more contagious than people are saying or people have lost their damn minds.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at March 23, 2020 01:32 PM (mf5HN)

247 Doctor I saw interviewed yesterday said if you have n95 masks just drop them off at the nearest hospital.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 23, 2020 01:32 PM (r+sAi)

248 >>Dan Crenshaw just said on Twitter that the Dems want 3 things:

1) Unions to have majorly expanded powers
2) Tougher emissions standards
3) Limitless tax credits for wind and solar

- - - -
Oh there's a Hell of a lot more buried in that 1100+ page bill Pelosi is pushing.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 23, 2020 01:32 PM (bDqIh)

249 Shit Midas strikes again


I always preferred the name 'Mierdas.' It sounds all multicultural.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #CancelChina at March 23, 2020 01:32 PM (HaL55)

250 Bought 6 n95 masks 3 weeks ago $100.

Posted by: azalea city at March 23, 2020 01:33 PM (WX+x0)

251 "He's an unctuous twat."

Who needs a subscription to Reader's Digest, I get all my Word Power from Ace's morons.
Posted by: saxinis.kion at March 23, 2020 01:29 PM

Brings to mind my mama using something called Unguentine on my cuts and scrapes when I was a kid. Always thought that was a cool word. Nearly as fun as "unctuous".

Posted by: One of the quiet ones at March 23, 2020 01:33 PM (2GPSc)

252 F^ck the olympics.... havent watched since 1984. worthless !

Posted by: Pliney at March 23, 2020 01:33 PM (nzKWW)

253 Willowed:

Call Pelosi's office @ 202-225-4965

And call your senators office and give them hell about this. I want
Trump to read this crap she's putting in at the next coronavirus press
conference.



Posted by: redridinghood at March 23, 2020 01:08 PM (wiXsO)

What crap is she trying to insert.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at March 23, 2020 01:33 PM (nAiE/)

254 IIRC, there was literally no record of what happened to the money. Nothing. No detailed accounts, no statistics on their alleged program; nothing.

Almost $1 BILLION dollars of NYC money just disappeared.

!!!
Posted by: Lizzy at March 23, 2020 01:31 PM (bDqIh)

----------------

In many ways, this is the story of Solyndra.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at March 23, 2020 01:33 PM (WEBkv)

255 Since the blue states and cities are the ones in most need of the aid, I wonder how happy they are with Nancy and Chuck right now? I bet their governors are making phone calls, and I would love to be listening in.

Posted by: Mikey NTH Come to thePanic Party at The Outrage Outlet! at March 23, 2020 01:33 PM (VCMZN)

256 1) Unions to have majorly expanded powers

2) Tougher emissions standards

3) Limitless tax credits for wind and solar

***


Trump should float a coal mining and oil drilling credit for the luls.

Now is the time to get Americans back into the jobs waiting for them, not paying off China and the Democrats

Posted by: 18-1 at March 23, 2020 01:33 PM (WdocV)

257 Obama administration first and foremost to blame but whoever was in charge after Obama was gone should have revisited the issue and got it done,

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at March 23, 2020 01:33 PM (2DOZq)

258 "Imagine coming into the Oval Office, and saying, "Mr. President, once
you're through fighting off faked allegations of Russian collusion,
impeachment, the wetback invasion, North Korea, getting NATO's hands out
of their pockets, etc. we need to replenish the emergency supply of
hospital masks. "
Who was actually supposed to be in charge of that and have they been sacked?

Posted by: f'd, roughing it at March 23, 2020 01:33 PM (Tnijr)

259 Olympics postponed until 2021.
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at March 23, 2020 01:30 PM (2DOZq)
...........

Those poor trannies.

Posted by: wth at March 23, 2020 01:33 PM (v0R5T)

260 >>>just like the coffee pot at the office - there's a rule.<<<

There's always one asshole in the office that leaves a dribble in the pot so he doesn't have to make a new one.

Posted by: Fritz at March 23, 2020 01:33 PM (ATCV4)

261
Its just a good leader takes responsibility for what happens under their leadership, if not blame.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 23, 2020 01:31 PM (KZzsI)
Yet another measure by which Obama was a failure. As if we needed more.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at March 23, 2020 01:33 PM (e284m)

262 Either this is WAAAAYYY more contagious than people are saying or people have lost their damn minds.


people have lost their minds

what on earth is the point of closing school that long?

do you normally have school far into June? because if not, don't bother with it I guess

but honestly I think the governors are going to be walking stuff back soon

Posted by: THE_BlackOrchid_STATE! at March 23, 2020 01:33 PM (j9HX3)

263 Either this is WAAAAYYY more contagious than people are saying or people have lost their damn minds.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at March 23, 2020 01:32 PM (mf5HN)

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Lost their damn minds.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 23, 2020 01:33 PM (nw6Hr)

264 246 Just got a news alert:

Schools in NC closed to May 15th.

Theaters, nail and hair salons (thank you God, I was regingered two weeks ago), bowling alleys, gyms, all closed.

No public gatherings over 50 people.

There are 297 cases in the entire state.

Either this is WAAAAYYY more contagious than people are saying or people have lost their damn minds.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at March 23, 2020 01:32 PM (mf5HN)

The good news is that people have lost their damn minds. This is also the bad news.

Posted by: Someguy at March 23, 2020 01:33 PM (Zm+LZ)

265 #Epstein didn't meep himself.

Posted by: Fortcoins at March 23, 2020 01:34 PM (JbL9Q)

266 Senate voting now on advancing the bill....

60 votes needed.

Posted by: Tami at March 23, 2020 01:34 PM (cF8AT)

267 Darth Merkel is in Quarantine.

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 23, 2020 01:34 PM (E2o2V)

268 226 Olympics postponed until 2021.

--------------

You really have to feel for those 12 year old Chinese gymnasts who will be 13 next year and unable to compete.

Very sad.

Posted by: SH at March 23, 2020 01:34 PM (sX1BW)

269 Senate now voting again; this is a repeat of yesterday's vote. With 5 GOP senators quarantined, 12 Democrats need to vote yes to get to 60. This is a vote to limit the amount of time allowed to debate the motion to proceed, so even if it succeeds they won't be on the bill itself yet.

Posted by: Vendette, Turning 29 Once Again at March 23, 2020 01:34 PM (nRNOc)

270 IIRC, there was literally no record of what happened to the money. Nothing. No detailed accounts, no statistics on their alleged program; nothing.
_______________

Yeah, but we know that the wife's friends were running the programs that the money was dumped into, so it's safe to say that they made off with the bulk of it.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at March 23, 2020 01:34 PM (k4dH2)

271 Consuction Junction, what's your function?

Posted by: Outofschoolhouse Rock at March 23, 2020 01:34 PM (QrOoP)

272 173 I person could go through easily 6 masks a day if in a heavy germ area such as a hospital I would think. Once worn and contaminated removing it it should be tossed.
Posted by: Skip at March 23, 2020 01:25 PM (ZCEU2)

--------

If they don't want to run out of masks, they need to figure out how to stretch the supply.

Maybe wear a disposable cloth / paper cover over the mask?

Maybe go to cloth masks that can be laundered? They will not be qualified by NIH, but they are likely better than nothing.

Ditto body suits.

Posted by: rd at March 23, 2020 01:34 PM (+0uDE)

273 Either this is WAAAAYYY more contagious than people are saying or people have lost their damn minds.
***

If China isn't lying then yes, this is absurd.


Looking at Italy and Iran though....China is lying.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 23, 2020 01:34 PM (WdocV)

274 246 Either this is WAAAAYYY more contagious than people are saying or people have lost their damn minds.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at March 23, 2020 01:32 PM (mf5HN)

===========

It's like when SC demands everyone leave the state when a hurricane is coming.

Last year, I stayed in the house while Dolley too Junior upstate. I watched the hurricane from my strengthened windows. There was minimal damage around town.

But, if the governor hadn't called for the mandatory evacuation and it had been worse, people would have blamed him. He'd have rather been blamed for being overcautious than reckless.

I think it's just the same line of thinking.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at March 23, 2020 01:34 PM (zZbCU)

275 I thought the JEF was always the smartest person in the room, regardless of the situation.
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 23, 2020 01:29 PM (d7Ww2)


Only when he was in the bathroom. I assume he was alone there, but maybe not. In fact, the more I think about it ...

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 23, 2020 01:34 PM (YqDXo)

276 >>Either this is WAAAAYYY more contagious than people are saying or people have lost their damn minds.


The second one.

I like how some of these states are doing this after Trump said we're halfway through the 15 day critical period and we will reassess when it's over what to do. The couldn't wait 7 days, or at least say temporary lockdown for 1 week - they had to go full tyrant.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 23, 2020 01:34 PM (bDqIh)

277 I bet there is someone whose job was to make sure there was an adequate stockpile of P95 masks. It would need to be someone with some horsepower, though. Maybe someone who had been in the position since Reagan.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - won't somebody think of the chyron?!! at March 23, 2020 01:35 PM (41rs/)

278 Oh there's a Hell of a lot more buried in that 1100+ page bill Pelosi is pushing.


And the voters should know about it.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #CancelChina at March 23, 2020 01:35 PM (HaL55)

279 I'm thinking that maybe we could take a page from the British playbook circa 1812. Just burn Washington and all its inhabitants to the ground and start over.

Posted by: Old Blue at March 23, 2020 01:35 PM (VNmG1)

280 Either this is WAAAAYYY more contagious than people are saying or people have lost their damn minds.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at March 23, 2020 01:32 PM

About the same here in Louisiana.

We jumped from 867 to 1172 cases since Sunday's morning count. Dead count from 20 up to 34 in same amount of time.

Posted by: One of the quiet ones at March 23, 2020 01:35 PM (2GPSc)

281 I like how some of these states are doing this after Trump said we're halfway through the 15 day critical period and we will reassess when it's over what to do. The couldn't wait 7 days, or at least say temporary lockdown for 1 week - they had to go full tyrant.

yeah they're getting their jollies while they can

it's going to be up to us, We the People, to set them straight. I hope we do.

Posted by: THE_BlackOrchid_STATE! at March 23, 2020 01:36 PM (j9HX3)

282 Bring in the quarantined Republicans to vote.

The Dems are saying their pork is more important then the virus....so give them what they want.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 23, 2020 01:36 PM (WdocV)

283 Maybe those plague doctor masks weren't such a bad idea. And the hat. Cool hat.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at March 23, 2020 01:36 PM (C1Lsn)

284 And why are the Democrats going for all this now?

Because they can? Sure.

But more like because they know they are toast in November.

Are they acting like a party that knows its winning?

Posted by: ... at March 23, 2020 01:36 PM (jvCdG)

285 Just got a news alert:

Schools in NC closed to May 15th.

Theaters, nail and hair salons (thank you God, I was regingered two weeks ago), bowling alleys, gyms, all closed.

No public gatherings over 50 people.

There are 297 cases in the entire state.

Either this is WAAAAYYY more contagious than people are saying or people have lost their damn minds.
Posted by: alexthechick


They have lost their damn minds. The best Petri dish on the planet?

Diamond Princess Cruise Ship. 7 deaths. On a small, floating city that people couldn't get away from each other.

7 deaths.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 23, 2020 01:36 PM (2GjZZ)

286
Good time Charlie's got the meeps.

Posted by: Danny O'grief at March 23, 2020 01:36 PM (LilNs)

287 241 CNBC resport Schumer saying deal is close .. stocks rebound a bit
Is this all a ploy to play the stock market ?
Posted by: SMOD at March 23, 2020 01:31 PM (3aI0K)

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Schumer's a walking talking stereotype of the slimeball NYCer, so, yeah, it wouldn't shock me.

Posted by: Jackal at March 23, 2020 01:36 PM (Lyh9/)

288 >.I thought the JEF was always the smartest person in the room, regardless of the situation.


Didya notice who he hired to be in the room with him? A van driver, a fiction writer, an old Senator who has been wrong on every major issue for 30+ decades. . .

Posted by: Lizzy at March 23, 2020 01:36 PM (bDqIh)

289
Oh there's a Hell of a lot more buried in that 1100+ page bill Pelosi is pushing.

-----

How did Pelosi get a bill together when nobody else is in the House??

Posted by: fixerupper at March 23, 2020 01:36 PM (nw6Hr)

290 235 >>To be fair, there were some tangible results: Lots of DeBlasio's wife's friends fattened their bank accounts.


IIRC, there was literally no record of what happened to the money. Nothing. No detailed accounts, no statistics on their alleged program; nothing.

Almost $1 BILLION dollars of NYC money just disappeared.

!!!
Posted by: Lizzy at March 23, 2020 01:31 PM (bDqIh)

There is another $1 Billion to improve schools. No one has records of what schools got what.

Posted by: rhennigantx at March 23, 2020 01:36 PM (JFO2v)

291 Is there a WH presser today? I haven't seen a time mentioned.

Posted by: Tami at March 23, 2020 01:37 PM (cF8AT)

292 Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at March 23, 2020 01:32 PM (mf5HN)

If the cruise ship stats are accurate, I'm picking people have lost their minds.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at March 23, 2020 01:37 PM (2DOZq)

293 statement from Rand
he's positive but asymptomatic

https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/
1242134885034348549

he should give Nanzi a big kiss of bipartisanship

Posted by: vmom 2020 at March 23, 2020 01:37 PM (G546f)

294 >>Either this is WAAAAYYY more contagious than people are saying or people have lost their damn minds.

-

It's been in worldwide circulation since mid November.

It's the second one.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - won't somebody think of the chyron?!! at March 23, 2020 01:37 PM (41rs/)

295 But, if the governor hadn't called for the mandatory evacuation and it had been worse, people would have blamed him. He'd have rather been blamed for being overcautious than reckless.

I think it's just the same line of thinking.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at March 23, 2020 01:34 PM (zZbCU)


I'm sure you're right.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 23, 2020 01:37 PM (YqDXo)

296 The thing that chafes my butt is the swine flu had an astronomical body count compared to this Koronakrap. But you did not see and MFM going hog-wild over it the way they are doing now. So what has changed? Could it be Obama was president instead of the hated Trump?

Posted by: Vic at March 23, 2020 01:37 PM (mpXpK)

297 How did Pelosi get a bill together when nobody else is in the House??
Posted by: fixerupper at March 23, 2020 01:36 PM (nw6Hr)
+++++++++++++
Lobbyists.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 23, 2020 01:37 PM (e/H31)

298
Is there a WH presser today? I haven't seen a time mentioned.

Posted by: Tami at March 23, 2020 01:37 PM (cF8AT)

I believe 5:30 eastern.

Posted by: Vendette, Turning 29 Once Again at March 23, 2020 01:37 PM (nRNOc)

299 Sammy Hagar is probably happy

they aint giving out tickets

Posted by: REDACTED at March 23, 2020 01:37 PM (rpxSz)

300 "Mr. President, once
you're through fighting off faked allegations of Russian collusion, impeachment, the wetback invasion, North Korea, getting NATO's hands out of their pockets, etc. we need to replenish the emergency supply of hospital masks. "


That's what I'm thinking as well. He had good reason to back burner some stuff, and besides, the people in charge of that department should have been the ones pushing for it and making requisitions.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 23, 2020 01:37 PM (KZzsI)

301 We have to stop bullshitting ourselves with statistics.

Forget the overall death rate. What's the death rate among people over 60?

Posted by: ... at March 23, 2020 01:38 PM (jvCdG)

302 Epstein didn't have Sweet and Sour Coronagitis

Posted by: Miss Issippi at March 23, 2020 01:38 PM (sI15f)

303 It's been in worldwide circulation since mid November.


Moron Robbie do you think they will EVER develop an antibody test?

I bet they don't

that information will be memory holed

Posted by: THE_BlackOrchid_STATE! at March 23, 2020 01:38 PM (j9HX3)

304 Here's some of the ridiculous crap in Pelosi' bill.

It's in a unrolled link so you don't have to read twitter:

https://tinyurl.com/r3pg83c

Posted by: Tami at March 23, 2020 01:38 PM (cF8AT)

305 246 Just got a news alert:

Schools in NC closed to May 15th.

Theaters, nail and hair salons (thank you God, I was regingered two weeks ago), bowling alleys, gyms, all closed.

No public gatherings over 50 people.

There are 297 cases in the entire state.

Either this is WAAAAYYY more contagious than people are saying or people have lost their damn minds.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at March 23, 2020 01:32 PM (mf5HN)

297 cases in a population of about 9.5 million. About 0.0031% of the population, if my maths are right.

They keep using this word "exponential." I do not think it means what they think it means.

Posted by: Zombie Jeff Epstein at March 23, 2020 01:38 PM (NWiLs)

306 Maybe those plague doctor masks weren't such a bad idea. And the hat. Cool hat.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at March 23, 2020 01:36 PM (C1Lsn)


What's interesting about those things is they had the right idea, just not the technology to implement it. The long beak filled with botanicals, through which the air was passed. These days, a multi-staged charcoal filter would do the trick. Eye protection, tight fit, body covered - all there.

Posted by: clutch cargo at March 23, 2020 01:38 PM (8B6Ng)

307 Ex-Prez'nit Cock-Curious, AKA The Emperor Shit Midas.

Sigh. What a useless tool.

I'm watching the first season of 24 (aired in 2001) which features Dennis Haystert playing the first black presidential candidate who has a chance to win the office.

If only that fictional character had been the first black president and not the simpering fuckhead we ended up with.

Posted by: Sharkman at March 23, 2020 01:38 PM (N1kno)

308 There is another $1 Billion to improve schools. No one has records of what schools got what.

If its like here, the "schools" were the general fund and it got spent on other things.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 23, 2020 01:38 PM (KZzsI)

309 We have to stop bullshitting ourselves with statistics.

Forget the overall death rate. What's the death rate among people over 60?

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I'd prefer the death rate of people over 61.

Posted by: SH at March 23, 2020 01:38 PM (sX1BW)

310 Oh there's a Hell of a lot more buried in that 1100+ page bill Pelosi is pushing.

If Nancy bends over, I'll help her to push that bill where it belongs.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 23, 2020 01:38 PM (YqDXo)

311 I believe 5:30 eastern.

Posted by: Vendette, Turning 29 Once Again at March 23, 2020 01:37 PM (nRNOc)

Thank you!

Posted by: Tami at March 23, 2020 01:38 PM (cF8AT)

312 I blame the NIH director Dr Faulci.

Posted by: azalea city at March 23, 2020 01:39 PM (WX+x0)

313 Ugh. Off sock.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at March 23, 2020 01:39 PM (NWiLs)

314 It's in a unrolled link so you don't have to read twitter:

https://tinyurl.com/r3pg83c
Posted by: Tami at March 23, 2020 01:38 PM

Thanks Tami, was just looking for this.

Posted by: One of the quiet ones at March 23, 2020 01:39 PM (2GPSc)

315 Plop plop.

Posted by: Cannibal Glob at March 23, 2020 01:39 PM (7ZMbn)

316 Either this is WAAAAYYY more contagious than people are saying or people have lost their damn minds.
Posted by: alexthechick


It's contagious as heck -- AND people have lost their damn minds.

Because 99% of the people who catch it will not die from it, and probably around 75% won't even know they caught it.

It you wee to test every American for the flue virus every year, you'd be shocked to discover that half the country (if not MOST ) of the country would test positive. It's just that most people have strong enough immune systems that the symptoms are mild to non-existent. It only really "gets" people whop are already sick or run-down or ill in other ways.

So, yeah, Covid-19 is exactly like all other coronaviruses - -very very contagious. But it's also like every other coronavirus in that it's not going to wipe out the planet. Every year humanity goes through the exact same "pandemic," but every year everyone just shrugs and people don't even notice or comment on it.

So far, as "bad" as the stats are for Covid-19, they STILL are dwarfed by the annual influenza statistics (infections and death) for any random year. Even THIS year -- there are vastly more influenza infections and deaths this year than there are from Covid-19.

Posted by: zombie at March 23, 2020 01:39 PM (N9G0H)

317
Either this is WAAAAYYY more contagious than people are saying or people have lost their damn minds.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at March 23, 2020 01:32 PM (mf5HN)

The good news is that people have lost their damn minds. This is also the bad news.
Posted by: Someguy at March 23, 2020 01:33 PM (Zm+LZ)

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The possibly really bad news?

What happens if the Chinese supply chains for pharmaceuticals like anti-psychotic drugs break down?

Posted by: rd at March 23, 2020 01:39 PM (+0uDE)

318 we have a lot more data over more time and we are not seeing that stupid ass "lily pad" scenario play out AT ALL

and yet all the governors are going Full Tyrant on us

weird

Posted by: THE_BlackOrchid_STATE! at March 23, 2020 01:39 PM (j9HX3)

319 I'd prefer the death rate of people over 61.
Posted by: SH at March 23, 2020 01:38 PM (sX1BW)
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61.5

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at March 23, 2020 01:39 PM (WEBkv)

320 The Dow is off 400 right now; it was much lower.

Gold is up over $80 per ounce though.

The markets are more jittery than Biden facing a cognitive test.

Posted by: GnuBreed at March 23, 2020 01:39 PM (Z4rgH)

321 Rand Paul. Now is the time to reach across the aisle.

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 23, 2020 01:39 PM (E2o2V)

322 269 Senate now voting again; this is a repeat of yesterday's vote. With 5 GOP senators quarantined, 12 Democrats need to vote yes to get to 60. This is a vote to limit the amount of time allowed to debate the motion to proceed, so even if it succeeds they won't be on the bill itself yet.
Posted by: Vendette

thank you vendette, very helpful info.
happy birthday!

Posted by: blackdogs at March 23, 2020 01:39 PM (NAbCm)

323 What's interesting about those things is they had the right idea, just not the technology to implement it. The long beak filled with botanicals, through which the air was passed.

I am guessing that helped a lot with having to visit charnel houses full of dead and dying people and rot.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 23, 2020 01:39 PM (KZzsI)

324 >>>1) Unions to have majorly expanded powers

2) Tougher emissions standards

3) Limitless tax credits for wind and solar




I'm not getting what any of this has to do with a China Syndrome emergency bill

Posted by: DB- just DB. at March 23, 2020 01:39 PM (iTXRQ)

325
Looking at Italy and Iran though....China is lying.
Posted by: 18-1 at March 23, 2020 01:34 PM (WdocV)

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Nah.

I dont know about Iran.... but....

Italy historically has as man flu deaths as the US does at a fifth of the population.

Im betting that it has more to do with the highest percentage of old folks in the EU, extended nuclear families living under the same roof and a culture of huggy huggy kissy kissy has more to do with it than CHinese dishonesty.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 23, 2020 01:40 PM (nw6Hr)

326 I told him to stop being so shellfish ...

Posted by: fixerupper at March 23, 2020 01:25 PM (nw6Hr)

_________


There's an Ace joke in there somewhere ...

Posted by: ShainS at March 23, 2020 01:40 PM (brYzZ)

327 >>297 cases in a population of about 9.5 million. About 0.0031% of the population, if my maths are right.

How many of the population of 9.5 million have been tested?

Posted by: JackStraw at March 23, 2020 01:40 PM (ZLI7S)

328 I want Rand Paul to walk in and lick everyone.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at March 23, 2020 01:40 PM (mf5HN)

329 61.5
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at March 23, 2020 01:39 PM


Vic weeps.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 23, 2020 01:40 PM (DMUuz)

330 I agree that unless there is something we haven't been told, then this is a set up, a con that certain people were waiting for to attempt to restructure society.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 23, 2020 01:40 PM (r+sAi)

331 Schools in NC closed to May 15th.
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Schools in AZ are currently due to reopen on April 10th.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at March 23, 2020 01:40 PM (k4dH2)

332 The thing that chafes my butt is the swine flu had an astronomical body count compared to this Koronakrap. But you did not see and MFM going hog-wild over it the way they are doing now. So what has changed? Could it be Obama was president instead of the hated Trump?
Posted by: Vic


2018-2019 seasonal flu - 35.4 million infected. 34,000 deaths. And that is WITH the flu shot.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 23, 2020 01:40 PM (2GjZZ)

333 309
We have to stop bullshitting ourselves with statistics.



Forget the overall death rate. What's the death rate among people over 60?



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I'd prefer the death rate of people over 61.

Posted by: SH at March 23, 2020 01:38 PM (sX1BW)

I'd prefer....ooohhhh no, I'm not falling for that.

Posted by: Cannibal Glob at March 23, 2020 01:40 PM (7ZMbn)

334 328 I want Rand Paul to walk in and lick everyone.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at March 23, 2020 01:40 PM (mf5HN)

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I don't want to read your fanfic.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at March 23, 2020 01:40 PM (zZbCU)

335 262 but honestly I think the governors are going to be walking stuff back soon
Posted by: THE_BlackOrchid_STATE! at March 23, 2020 01:33 PM (j9HX3)

Except for The Tommunist.

I expect him to continue to ramp things up.

Posted by: Allie at March 23, 2020 01:40 PM (vmRc0)

336 About the same here in Louisiana.

We jumped from 867 to 1172 cases since Sunday's morning count. Dead count from 20 up to 34 in same amount of time.
Posted by: One of the quiet ones at March 23, 2020 01:35 PM (2GPSc)


If everyone in Louisana was tested on Sunday and there were 867 cases, then everyone was tested today and there were 1172 cases, it would mean something. However, we don't have enough information to form a real opinion yet.

Also, with the deaths, we would need to know a lot more about each of the cases before attributing them to coronavirus. If these people were near death from underlying conditions, coronavirus could be incidental.

Posted by: jwest at March 23, 2020 01:40 PM (mrrpT)

337 Yeah, the cruise ship. WattsUp With That had a good post on it.

Posted by: Mikey NTH Come to thePanic Party at The Outrage Outlet! at March 23, 2020 01:40 PM (VCMZN)

338 Schools in AZ are currently due to reopen on April 10th.


I'm loving Arizona right now. good state

Posted by: THE_BlackOrchid_STATE! at March 23, 2020 01:41 PM (j9HX3)

339 282 Bring in the quarantined Republicans to vote.

The Dems are saying their pork is more important then the virus....so give them what they want.
Posted by: 18-1 at March 23, 2020 01:36 PM (WdocV)


Have 'em sit with the Democrats.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 23, 2020 01:41 PM (YqDXo)

340 Here's some of the ridiculous crap in Pelosi' bill.


It's in a unrolled link so you don't have to read twitter:


https://tinyurl.com/r3pg83c


Posted by: Tami at March 23, 2020 01:38 PM (cF8AT


They're all batchit insane. I hate them with the heat of a thousand suns.

Posted by: clutch cargo at March 23, 2020 01:41 PM (8B6Ng)

341 @ChadPergram 4 minutes ago

Graham: I'm confident that if we don't produce a product today, then that will be the end of the Senate, as we know it in the eyes of almost every American. We will have failed miserably.

Posted by: Tami at March 23, 2020 01:41 PM (cF8AT)

342 The thing that chafes my butt is the swine flu had an astronomical body count compared to this Koronakrap. But you did not see and MFM going hog-wild over it the way they are doing now. So what has changed? Could it be Obama was president instead of the hated Trump?

Posted by: Vic at March 23, 2020 01:37 PM (mpXpK)
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Heavens no! They would never do such a thing. If the media doesn't save us, the government will!

Posted by: wth at March 23, 2020 01:41 PM (v0R5T)

343 274 246 Either this is WAAAAYYY more contagious than people are saying or people have lost their damn minds.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at March 23, 2020 01:32 PM (mf5HN)

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It's like when SC demands everyone leave the state when a hurricane is coming.

Last year, I stayed in the house while Dolley too Junior upstate. I watched the hurricane from my strengthened windows. There was minimal damage around town.

But, if the governor hadn't called for the mandatory evacuation and it had been worse, people would have blamed him. He'd have rather been blamed for being overcautious than reckless.

I think it's just the same line of thinking.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at March 23, 2020 01:34 PM (zZbCU)

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Pretty much, with some exceptions. Nobody wants to be the one to make a call that could theoretically cost lives. As this goes on, however, the political ramifications of crashing the economy start to make that caution more expensive, politically. With other State Govs, it's them getting their authoritarian jollies off. See my state (LA) gov.

Posted by: Jackal at March 23, 2020 01:41 PM (Lyh9/)

344 I'm not getting what any of this has to do with a China Syndrome emergency bill
Posted by: DB- just DB. at March 23, 2020 01:39 PM


Crisis. Not wasting. Some assembly required.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 23, 2020 01:41 PM (DMUuz)

345 It you were to test every American for the flue virus every year, you'd be shocked to discover that half the country (if not MOST ) of the country would test positive. It's just that most people have strong enough immune systems that the symptoms are mild to non-existent. It only really "gets" people whop are already sick or run-down or ill in other ways.

That's just it. Scientists estimate that up to half the population are effectively immune to the crud and are just carriers. What we got caught up in is some number cruncher's ideal method of stopping a virus whether it was necessary or not, whether it was wise or not.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 23, 2020 01:41 PM (KZzsI)

346 Isn't this when some big stupid country will flip out?(not us but much flippier and dangerous.

Waiting for asteroids, a direct solar flair hit or the popping testicles disease.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at March 23, 2020 01:41 PM (A2RfV)

347 Senate votes so far:

Yes - 25
No - 9

Posted by: Tami at March 23, 2020 01:41 PM (cF8AT)

348 Graham: I'm confident that if we don't produce a product today, then that will be the end of the Senate, as we know it in the eyes of almost every American.

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Finally

Posted by: SH at March 23, 2020 01:42 PM (sX1BW)

349 Boeing just sent all their (Puget Sound) workers home and have stopped production completely for two weeks.

that's gonna leave a mark

Posted by: nurse ratched at March 23, 2020 01:42 PM (d7Ww2)

350 Looks like this vote will be a repeat of yesterday, party line and cloture will fail. Appears that the Democrats will not let things go forward until there is agreement on the compromise legislation being negotiated right now with Mnuchin.

Posted by: Vendette, Turning 29 Once Again at March 23, 2020 01:42 PM (nRNOc)

351 Also, with the deaths, we would need to know a lot more about each of the cases before attributing them to coronavirus. If these people were near death from underlying conditions, coronavirus could be incidental.


no offense to any Louisiana peeps but this thing tends to really hit the morbidly obese pretty hard (probably due to the effects of some of their other daily medications)

and Louisiana... is plus sized IYKWIM

Posted by: THE_BlackOrchid_STATE! at March 23, 2020 01:42 PM (j9HX3)

352 Where's AllenG?

Burn it.
Salt it.
PROFIT!

Posted by: Sponge at March 23, 2020 01:42 PM (Zz0t1)

353 Michigan got shut down today.How many states have gotten the lock down now?

Posted by: YooperDuper at March 23, 2020 01:42 PM (VKprZ)

354 It you wee to test every American for the flue virus every year, you'd be shocked to discover that half the country (if not MOST ) of the country would test positive. It's just that most people have strong enough immune systems that the symptoms are mild to non-existent. It only really "gets" people whop are already sick or run-down or ill in other ways.

So, yeah, Covid-19 is exactly like all other coronaviruses - -very very contagious. But it's also like every other coronavirus in that it's not going to wipe out the planet. Every year humanity goes through the exact same "pandemic," but every year everyone just shrugs and people don't even notice or comment on it.

So far, as "bad" as the stats are for Covid-19, they STILL are dwarfed by the annual influenza statistics (infections and death) for any random year. Even THIS year -- there are vastly more influenza infections and deaths this year than there are from Covid-19.
Posted by: zombie


And most people that have the flu never report it.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 23, 2020 01:42 PM (2GjZZ)

355 Bring in the quarantined Republicans to vote.

The Dems are saying their pork is more important then the virus....so give them what they want.

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Also, we need a one day "mixed seating" rule.

Posted by: Methos at March 23, 2020 01:42 PM (kOpft)

356 Boeing just sent all their (Puget Sound) workers home and have stopped production completely for two weeks.

that's gonna leave a mark

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I think its time we look into the possibility that Boeing started all this to cover up the disaster that was the 737 Max.

Posted by: SH at March 23, 2020 01:43 PM (sX1BW)

357 What we got caught up in is some number cruncher's ideal method of stopping a virus whether it was necessary or not, whether it was wise or not.

Yes Mr Taylor and what I'm possibly most worried about is that this very odd approach somehow becomes SOP from now on

that would kill the economy dead forever

Posted by: THE_BlackOrchid_STATE! at March 23, 2020 01:43 PM (j9HX3)

358 Was there a reason why Fauci and Birx were NOT at Trump's daily presser yesterday?

Posted by: JoeF. at March 23, 2020 01:43 PM (CqE5x)

359 The possibly really bad news?

What happens if the Chinese supply chains for pharmaceuticals like anti-psychotic drugs break down?

Posted by: rd at March 23, 2020 01:39 PM (+0uDE)

It wouldn't be because of Coronavirus . China is mostly back on line. Good news is we have learned a lot of basic manufacturing is a National Security issue.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at March 23, 2020 01:43 PM (2DOZq)

360 Yes - 29
No - 12

Posted by: Tami at March 23, 2020 01:44 PM (cF8AT)

361 324 >>>1) Unions to have majorly expanded powers
2) Tougher emissions standards
3) Limitless tax credits for wind and solar

I'm not getting what any of this has to do with a China Syndrome emergency bill
Posted by: DB- just DB. at March 23, 2020 01:39 PM (iTXRQ)


Crisis ... waste

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 23, 2020 01:44 PM (YqDXo)

362 Michigan got shut down today.How many states have gotten the lock down now?
Posted by: YooperDuper at March 23, 2020 01:42 PM (VKprZ)

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First day of bunker in place here in Kansas City. Missouri AND Kansas.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 23, 2020 01:44 PM (nw6Hr)

363 all the central banks are (and have been) printing money in one form or another. It is questionable whether it is even legal (in their charter) for the Fed Reserve to buy up corporate or municipal bonds. Greenspan long ago said "sure, we could buy stocks if we wanted". Yellin I think said it was a gray area.


Recall Bernanke said going to zero was no problem, cuz they could turn the car right around and tighten if needed. But according to theory ... that is not so easy in reality. Danielle D Booth has a good video interview on that subject ... I subscribed to Real Vision, but I think this is available to everyone. interesting stuff ... I should have taken notes on some of the theory they discuss.


https://tinyurl.com/yx2um6yw

Posted by: illiniwek at March 23, 2020 01:44 PM (Cus5s)

364 a thing I tweeted earlier:

Media: "Abandon all hope and just panic!"
Dems: "Die and go broke, America, but fund our abortions!"
Trump : "Half of you are batshit-crazy but I'll save you all anyway."

https://twitter.com/votermom/status/
1242104125065748483

Posted by: vmom 2020 at March 23, 2020 01:44 PM (G546f)

365 I'm noticing a lot more people out walking dogs, playing frisbee in the traffic-free streets, chatting with neighbors from a safe distance, etc.

Last week it was so dead out there. All those people home from work and I didn't SEE any of them. It was getting weird.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at March 23, 2020 01:44 PM (KxVoZ)

366 Have any states shut down with Republican governors?

That's a legit I'm too lazy to look question.

I know Houston (or was it Dallas) did shelter in place but today I talked to a client who moved to Texas a month ago and she said that around them it's the normal restaurants are take out only, close gyms, that kind of stuff.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at March 23, 2020 01:45 PM (mf5HN)

367 Here is an article by a non-lunatic that Mark Levin read on last Friday's show:

A Fiasco in the Making:

https://tinyurl.com/Fiasco-in-the-M


Great read with actual facts and shit.

Posted by: Sharkman at March 23, 2020 01:45 PM (N1kno)

368 353 Michigan got shut down today.How many states have gotten the lock down now?
Posted by: YooperDuper at March 23, 2020 01:42 PM (VKprZ)

Ten I think?

Posted by: Jordan61 at March 23, 2020 01:45 PM (Ez6QX)

369 Yes 21
No 15

I think it will pass

Posted by: JoeF. at March 23, 2020 01:45 PM (CqE5x)

370 The wonderboy and his cohorts strike again!

Posted by: thathalfrican - sucker free on my phone at March 23, 2020 01:45 PM (PpK3X)

371 32/15

Posted by: JoeF. at March 23, 2020 01:45 PM (CqE5x)

372 >Crisis. Not wasting. Some assembly required.
Posted by: Duncanthrax



it's like they have a wishlist, constantly updated, and attempt to shoehorn it into every piece of legislation that comes down the pike

Posted by: DB- just DB. at March 23, 2020 01:45 PM (iTXRQ)

373 Here's some of the ridiculous crap in Pelosi' bill.
It's in a unrolled link so you don't have to read twitter:
https://tinyurl.com/r3pg83c
Posted by: Tami

thank you tami.
to the commenters that do such good work to keep folks informed > huge kuddos.

Posted by: blackdogs at March 23, 2020 01:45 PM (NAbCm)

374 353 Michigan got shut down today.How many states have gotten the lock down now?

It just means that unless you're the filthy-rich kind who lives in a 'compound' or an 'estate' you are spending a lot of time walking your dog.

The local parks here (SF Bay Area) were at least as busy as normal. And I stood in a thirty-minute food-takeout line. You just don't get to go in and sit down.

Posted by: JEM at March 23, 2020 01:45 PM (8erNz)

375 They need a data sheet on people who have died

living conditions

travel

eating uncooked foods

drugs

pre existing health conditions

etc, etc

but they wont do this

Posted by: REDACTED at March 23, 2020 01:45 PM (rpxSz)

376 I find it hard to believe that if the Democrats had a chance to spend government money on something, especially if a favored campaign contributor could produce it at a fat margin, they wouldn't have done so. I'm guessing they were unaware. Seriously, Democrats and bureaucrats (BIRM) not spending money when they have an opportunity? Come on.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at March 23, 2020 01:46 PM (l513m)

377 Many of my online newly ordained epidemic specialist friends
first complained about lack of testing
then when that rolled out it was
OMG how could Trump leave the country so vulnerable w/o masks !!!!

What will be the new Orange Man is so incompetent issue ??

Posted by: McCool at March 23, 2020 01:46 PM (sZaoP)

378 Schools in AZ are currently due to reopen on April 10th.





I keep tweaking the teachers here i know. (i was one). telling them schools won't reopen because they can do it all online and protect kids from the flu thats right around he corner. 'for the children'.

Posted by: Cannibal Glob at March 23, 2020 01:46 PM (7ZMbn)

379 366 Have any states shut down with Republican governors?

That's a legit I'm too lazy to look question.

I know Houston (or was it Dallas) did shelter in place but today I talked to a client who moved to Texas a month ago and she said that around them it's the normal restaurants are take out only, close gyms, that kind of stuff.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at March 23, 2020 01:45 PM (mf5HN)

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OH and IN I think have done so. Not sure about anywhere else.

Posted by: Jackal at March 23, 2020 01:46 PM (Lyh9/)

380 Yes - 33
No - 17

Posted by: Tami at March 23, 2020 01:46 PM (cF8AT)

381 >> It is questionable whether it is even legal (in their charter) for the Fed Reserve to buy up corporate or municipal bonds.

That's in the current bailout bill. Amending the Federal Reserve Act to allow purchases of equities and corporate bonds.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at March 23, 2020 01:46 PM (rCwaK)

382 Yes 21

No 15



I think it will pass

Posted by: JoeF. at March 23, 2020 01:45 PM (CqE5x)

It won't. All the Democrats are voting no so far.

Posted by: Vendette, Turning 29 Once Again at March 23, 2020 01:46 PM (nRNOc)

383 I think its time we look into the possibility that Boeing started all this to cover up the disaster that was the 737 Max.
Posted by: SH at March 23, 2020 01:43 PM (sX1BW)


Got a friend who's brother flies for Southwest. They have a ton of those. Said the issue was with the pilots, not the plane.

Posted by: Sponge at March 23, 2020 01:46 PM (Zz0t1)

384 Re pandemics, here's a sensible overview that puts the corona virus pandemic in context

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pr1aXn8_F3I

Highly recommended.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 23, 2020 01:46 PM (YqDXo)

385 I know Houston (or was it Dallas) did shelter in place but today I talked to a client who moved to Texas a month ago and she said that around them it's the normal restaurants are take out only, close gyms, that kind of stuff.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at March 23, 2020 01:45

Only Dallas county went shelter in place. Not Tarrant, which is west of Dallas to include Fort Worth, Arlington, and not Denton county, which is north/northwest of Dallas.

Posted by: One of the quiet ones at March 23, 2020 01:47 PM (2GPSc)

386
Anyone else finding a related "conversation" on here is becoming more difficult,posts are rapid fire often on a dozen topics at once,and the New threads pop up faster than a groundhog,continuity sux.
The overnight thread goes on for hours and when most are asleep and there is a semblance of a normal back and forth. I find myself posting a jest and then am guilty 4 posts later typing something related to a post that is now 60 back....WTF.

FIX? Social Distancing posts..this is too exhausting as is and not good when we all need to relax.

1 minute between each post Nah I suppose the Babel will BEE.

Posted by: saf at March 23, 2020 01:47 PM (5IHGB)

387 375 They need a data sheet on people who have died

living conditions

travel

eating uncooked foods

drugs

pre existing health conditions

etc, etc

but they wont do this
Posted by: REDACTED at March 23, 2020 01:45 PM (rpxSz)

You mean take into account and control for other contributing
variables? Have you lost your mind?

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at March 23, 2020 01:47 PM (NWiLs)

388 The Obama jihad demorats still believe that the answer to America is its death and resurrection to hardcore Communism with the destruction of our Constitution and the eradication of guns and freedom of speech. Still wonder why they so desperately want your guns taken away ? Their utopia is down right scarely, and they don't want consequences for what they are up to. Totalitarian oppression rule

Posted by: ron n. at March 23, 2020 01:47 PM (om5HK)

389 So the total number of masks saved or created?

Posted by: JB at March 23, 2020 01:47 PM (TO8Xm)

390 Yes - 33
No - 17
Posted by: Tami at March 23, 2020 01:46 PM (cF8AT)

That's half the senate--not counting 3 GOP votes

Posted by: JoeF. at March 23, 2020 01:47 PM (CqE5x)

391
316 Either this is WAAAAYYY more contagious than people are saying or people have lost their damn minds.
Posted by: alexthechick

It's contagious as heck -- AND people have lost their damn minds.

Because 99% of the people who catch it will not die from it, and probably around 75% won't even know they caught it.

It you wee to test every American for the flue virus every year, you'd be shocked to discover that half the country (if not MOST ) of the country would test positive. It's just that most people have strong enough immune systems that the symptoms are mild to non-existent. It only really "gets" people whop are already sick or run-down or ill in other ways.

So, yeah, Covid-19 is exactly like all other coronaviruses - -very very contagious. But it's also like every other coronavirus in that it's not going to wipe out the planet. Every year humanity goes through the exact same "pandemic," but every year everyone just shrugs and people don't even notice or comment on it.

So far, as "bad" as the stats are for Covid-19, they STILL are dwarfed by the annual influenza statistics (infections and death) for any random year. Even THIS year -- there are vastly more influenza infections and deaths this year than there are from Covid-19.
Posted by: zombie at March 23, 2020 01:39 PM (N9G0H)

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The biggest problem is that this virus is brand new. It is infecting everyone all at once, not starting in October, but it doesn't get bad until January, and slows down in May like the ANNUAL Flu.

It hits a new, unexposed population and just rips through it. Suddenly thousands of people have pneumonia, and all at the same time! The first bad case hits the hospital, and before they can be cured and discharged, a thousand others join him in the ICU. Then they just run out of beds, doctors, nurses, ventilators, and even hope.

Look at Northern Italy. Their hospital system is collapsing.

Posted by: rd at March 23, 2020 01:47 PM (+0uDE)

392 I cant wait to but a ventilator at The Dollar Store.

Posted by: Cannibal Glob at March 23, 2020 01:47 PM (7ZMbn)

393 So far, as "bad" as the stats are for Covid-19, they STILL are dwarfed by the annual influenza statistics (infections and death) for any random year. Even THIS year -- there are vastly more influenza infections and deaths this year than there are from Covid-19.
Posted by: zombie


And most people that have the flu never report it.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 23, 2020 01:42 PM (2GjZZ)

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THIS year.... CDC has 200,000 pus positive tests.

They ESTIMATE 34 million infections for flu.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm

Interesting reading from the CDC website on the actual scope of the impact flu has every year. And this is a milder year.

You can change the years too.... switch to 2017 for a REALLY bad flu year.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 23, 2020 01:47 PM (nw6Hr)

394 Graham: I'm confident that if we don't produce a product today, then
that will be the end of the Senate, as we know it in the eyes of almost
every American. We will have failed miserably.
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Did that asshole get his domestic espionage bill through while we were distracted by the hysteria?

Posted by: Methos at March 23, 2020 01:47 PM (kOpft)

395 It's in a unrolled link so you don't have to read twitter:

Among the things in the bill they jammed in:

-Increases borrowing ability of US Postal Service
-Early Voting funding
-Allowing same-day registration for elections
-Federal employee collective bargaining increases
-Limitations on airline pollution
-Promoting education on global warming
-Increased funding for community newspapers

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 23, 2020 01:48 PM (KZzsI)

396 Look at Northern Italy. Their hospital system is collapsing.
Posted by: rd at March 23, 2020 01:47 PM (+0uDE)

Socialized medicine, old population, lots of Chinks, lost of smokers

Posted by: JoeF. at March 23, 2020 01:48 PM (CqE5x)

397 Also, with the deaths, we would need to know a lot more about each of the cases before attributing them to coronavirus. If these people were near death from underlying conditions, coronavirus could be incidental.
Posted by: jwest at March 23, 2020 01:40 PM (mrrpT)

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From what I've been reading, most of the deaths are due to other medical issues, not strictly due to the virus.

Posted by: SMH - Seriously? at March 23, 2020 01:48 PM (RU4sa)

398 The right to work laws have decimated the unions. Dems losing millions of donations.

Posted by: rhennigantx at March 23, 2020 01:48 PM (JFO2v)

399 Have any states shut down with Republican governors?

*******

MD, MA

Posted by: Truck Monkey at March 23, 2020 01:48 PM (flINI)

400 That's what I'm thinking - hell, IP law is so insane that might already be the case but no one dares test it.

The problem is once those schematics hit the interwebs, buh bye. Everyone with a 3D printer will download them and go to town. Good luck rebottling the genie.

Because I am, at heart, a cockeyed optimist, I just think there is a happy medium between NO NEVER EVER EVER and INFORMATION WANTS TO BE FREEEEEEE.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at March 23, 2020 01:26 PM (mf5HN)


Something like a national emergency license. Some really low amount to be able to 3D print the stuff legally with the understanding that once the national emergency ends your license expires and if you keep it up you're getting sued for an exorbitant amount.

Posted by: Buzzion at March 23, 2020 01:49 PM (mgHet)

401 -Increased funding for community newspapers
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 23, 2020 01:48 PM (KZzsI)

That will save lives!

Posted by: JoeF. at March 23, 2020 01:49 PM (CqE5x)

402 398 The right to work laws have decimated the unions. Dems losing millions of donations.
Posted by: rhennigantx at March 23, 2020 01:48 PM (JFO2v)

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Don't worry, they outsourced that.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at March 23, 2020 01:49 PM (zZbCU)

403 That's just it. Scientists estimate that up to half the population are
effectively immune to the crud and are just carriers. What we got
caught up in is some number cruncher's ideal method of stopping a virus
whether it was necessary or not, whether it was wise or not.
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And add to that some people's religious need to justify government action.

Posted by: Methos at March 23, 2020 01:49 PM (kOpft)

404 You mean take into account and control for other contributing
variables? Have you lost your mind?
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at March 23, 2020 01:47 PM (NWiLs)

nope

It's in my safe deposit box, along with my baseball cards and autographs.

Posted by: REDACTED at March 23, 2020 01:49 PM (rpxSz)

405 35/20

It won't pass

Posted by: JoeF. at March 23, 2020 01:49 PM (CqE5x)

406
The thing that's really starting to piss me off is that if you watch TV news, you'd think that the only fucking city that matters is New York.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 23, 2020 01:49 PM (EGyGV)

407 Same day voter registration, a long-time Dem wishlist item, very relevant to addressing those businesses and working families about to go under from #COVID19.


Same. day. voter.

registration.

#evil

Posted by: deplorable unperson - sanitized for your protection at March 23, 2020 01:49 PM (mw1Wz)

408 338 Schools in AZ are currently due to reopen on April 10th.


I'm loving Arizona right now. good state
Posted by: THE_BlackOrchid_STATE!
_________________

Lots of ornery, deplorable types here.

So far, at least according to the AZ Dept. of Health website, we have 234 cases in the state, with just 2 dead.

Today is sunny and mild, temps in the mid 70's (in the desert regions). We'll be warming up to 80's in no time. Virus is supposed to be vulnerable to UV light and heat. So it'll be interesting to see what happens as temps rise here.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at March 23, 2020 01:50 PM (k4dH2)

409 Graham: I'm confident that if we don't produce a product today, then that will be the end of the Senate, as we know it in the eyes of almost every American.


No criticism of the Progs who are larding this bill up with unnecessary tax dollars, Miss Lindsey?

How bipartisan of you.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #CancelChina at March 23, 2020 01:50 PM (HaL55)

410 354:

"And most people that have the flu never report it.''

Most people who have COVID-19 likely will never know they did, which is the same with the flue. Most just self-diagnose. The suppression strategy is so over the top it is beyond belief. If I had any residual trust in the feds I might think there is an element we haven't been told, and even then that would be generous.

We have a controlled, slow burn of the economy underway.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at March 23, 2020 01:50 PM (puu6v)

411 You do realize the blue cities will not learn a single thing from this right?

They'll come out of this convinced that livin in the city, voting Democrat is the only way to go and looking down on us middle of the country dumbasses.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at March 23, 2020 01:50 PM (e284m)

412
Yes - 35
No - 23

Posted by: Tami at March 23, 2020 01:50 PM (cF8AT)

413 Yes - 33

No - 17

Posted by: Tami at March 23, 2020 01:46 PM (cF8AT)



That's half the senate--not counting 3 GOP votes

Posted by: JoeF. at March 23, 2020 01:47 PM (CqE5x)

But this is cloture, so 60 is needed. Not happening. Once the nos get to 35, stick a fork in it.

Posted by: Vendette, Turning 29 Once Again at March 23, 2020 01:50 PM (nRNOc)

414 One of the "coronavirus deaths" was a man with pancreatic cancer who was at death's door already.

There are a LOT of cases like that in Italy. The way they are counting those as coronavirus deaths is skewing the numbers.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at March 23, 2020 01:50 PM (KxVoZ)

415 396 Look at Northern Italy. Their hospital system is collapsing.
Posted by: rd at March 23, 2020 01:47 PM (+0uDE)

Socialized medicine, old population, lots of Chinks, lost of smokers
Posted by: JoeF. at March 23, 2020 01:48 PM (CqE5x)

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Ok, that's easy for us to say. It's harder to make that call if you're the one who will be keelhauled if you make the wrong one and it leads to dead bodies.

Posted by: Jackal at March 23, 2020 01:50 PM (Lyh9/)

416 Oh there's a Hell of a lot more buried in that 1100+ page bill Pelosi is pushing.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 23, 2020 01:32 PM (bDqIh)


AT least this time we'll only have 1100, not 2700, pages of legislation to pass before we find out what's in it!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 23, 2020 01:50 PM (BiNEL)

417 406
The thing that's really starting to piss me off is that if you watch TV news, you'd think that the only fucking city that matters is New York.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 23, 2020 01:49 PM (EGyGV)

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Like how half of all American movies are set there? The other half are in LA.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at March 23, 2020 01:50 PM (zZbCU)

418 397 Also, with the deaths, we would need to know a lot more about each of the cases before attributing them to coronavirus. If these people were near death from underlying conditions, coronavirus could be incidental.
Posted by: jwest at March 23, 2020 01:40 PM (mrrpT)

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From what I've been reading, most of the deaths are due to other medical issues, not strictly due to the virus.
Posted by: SMH - Seriously? at March 23, 2020 01:48 PM (RU4sa)

>88% had 2 or more serious long term illnesses.

Posted by: rhennigantx at March 23, 2020 01:50 PM (JFO2v)

419 The thing that's really starting to piss me off is that if you watch TV news, you'd think that the only fucking city that matters is New York.


to them, NYC is the only city that does matter

maybe LA too

Posted by: THE_BlackOrchid_STATE! at March 23, 2020 01:50 PM (j9HX3)

420 Is all of Pelosi's crap still in the bill?

Posted by: wth at March 23, 2020 01:51 PM (v0R5T)

421 Governor Tony Evers is locking down Wisconsin starting tomorrow, Tuesday.

Posted by: rd at March 23, 2020 01:51 PM (+0uDE)

422
Yes - 36
No - 26

Posted by: Tami at March 23, 2020 01:51 PM (cF8AT)

423 Graham is a two-faced sodomite.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at March 23, 2020 01:51 PM (3/G+L)

424 Dan Crenshaw just said on Twitter that the Dems want 3 things:



1) Unions to have majorly expanded powers

2) Tougher emissions standards

3) Limitless tax credits for wind and solar



- - - -

Oh there's a Hell of a lot more buried in that 1100+ page bill Pelosi is pushing.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 23, 2020 01:32 PM (bDqIh)

Screw that noise... just tell them NO and let the governors of NY and Cali fight it out with them. NO WAY should the President sign such a bill and nor should the Rs in congress vote for it.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at March 23, 2020 01:51 PM (nAiE/)

425 411 You do realize the blue cities will not learn a single thing from this right?

They'll come out of this convinced that livin in the city, voting Democrat is the only way to go and looking down on us middle of the country dumbasses.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at March 23, 2020 01:50 PM (e284m)

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lol

Posted by: SMH - Seriously? at March 23, 2020 01:51 PM (RU4sa)

426 We have a controlled, slow burn of the economy underway.

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I'd say more of an indiscriminate carpet bombing type of inferno.

Posted by: SH at March 23, 2020 01:51 PM (sX1BW)

427 From what I've been reading, most of the deaths are due to other medical issues, not strictly due to the virus.
Posted by: SMH - Seriously? at March 23, 2020 01:48 PM (RU4sa)


I posted before it somewhat reminds me of the death counts for hurricanes.

Fall off a ladder nailing plywood over your windows. Hurricane related death.

90 years old and tested positive for Coronavirus and you die. Coronavirus death.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at March 23, 2020 01:51 PM (2DOZq)

428 >>> Either this is WAAAAYYY more contagious than people are saying or people have lost their damn minds.

On the Princess cruise ship
over 3,000 people were trapped in close quarters with several who were infected.

83% never caught it !!!!
50% of those that DID catch it never got symptoms

and this was a demographic with alot of older (50+) people

Posted by: McCool at March 23, 2020 01:51 PM (sZaoP)

429 COWBOY POETRY WILL DIE! OH NOES!

Posted by: DamnedYankee at March 23, 2020 01:51 PM (e284m)

430 Among the things in the bill they jammed in:

-Increases borrowing ability of US Postal Service
-Early Voting funding
-Allowing same-day registration for elections
-Federal employee collective bargaining increases
-Limitations on airline pollution
-Promoting education on global warming
-Increased funding for community newspapers
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 23, 2020 01:48 PM (KZzsI)


That would be seven HELL NO's.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 23, 2020 01:51 PM (YqDXo)

431 Is all of Pelosi's crap still in the bill?
Posted by: wth at March 23, 2020 01:51 PM (v0R5T)

This vote is just to advance bill? Does that mean they vote on it again?

Posted by: JoeF. at March 23, 2020 01:51 PM (CqE5x)

432 @246
I think this is a coordinated slow roll-out, with everyone trying to make sure the market stays tanked. That's the only logical explanation, considering the numbers we're seeing.

Posted by: artemis at March 23, 2020 01:51 PM (AwPyG)

433 So I said to a sick Dem: You are bat shit crazy. B a t /s h i t/ c r a z y.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at March 23, 2020 01:52 PM (A2RfV)

434 Dick "Dick" Blumenthal - NO.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at March 23, 2020 01:52 PM (KxVoZ)

435 There are a LOT of cases like that in Italy. The way they are counting those as coronavirus deaths is skewing the numbers.

Yeah I think when this is all unwound the real culprit in Italy will be the socialized medicine and stupid open borders policies. Their "hug a Chinese" day didn't help matters. The uncontrolled hordes of 'immigrant' Muslims didn't help matters. The choice to just let people over a certain age die to save beds and supplies didn't help matters.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 23, 2020 01:52 PM (KZzsI)

436 403 That's just it. Scientists estimate that up to half the population are
effectively immune to the crud and are just carriers. What we got
caught up in is some number cruncher's ideal method of stopping a virus
whether it was necessary or not, whether it was wise or not.
---

And add to that some people's religious need to justify government action.
Posted by: Methos at March 23, 2020 01:49 PM (kOpft)

Convinced I had something that sounds like this virus late last year. Serious question- does that possibly mean that I could have a certain amount of immunity? Or, could I be a carrier somehow?
Anybody???

Posted by: tubal at March 23, 2020 01:52 PM (90T4r)

437 307 If only that fictional character had been the first black president and not the simpering fuckhead we ended up with.

Posted by: Sharkman at March 23, 2020 01:38 PM (N1kno)


Hell, I would've preferred President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho over the dog-eating crackhead.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at March 23, 2020 01:52 PM (DTX3h)

438 Miss Sinema - NO

Fuck these people.

And don't ever tell me again that Sinema is a "moderate."

Posted by: Guy Smiley at March 23, 2020 01:52 PM (KxVoZ)

439 They'll come out of this convinced that livin in the city, voting Democrat is the only way to go and looking down on us middle of the country dumbasses.


that's fine.

those with any brains at all must have learned from this that the future belongs to the non-Blue-Model, non-urban areas

the blue regions are The Walking Dead

Posted by: THE_BlackOrchid_STATE! at March 23, 2020 01:52 PM (j9HX3)

440 Mitch just texted me and said that "we" are in danger of losing "our" Senate majority , so gimme money.


"We".

Posted by: deplorable unperson - sanitized for your protection at March 23, 2020 01:52 PM (mw1Wz)

441 If I had any residual trust in the feds I might think there is an element we haven't been told, and even then that would be generous.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at March 23, 2020 01:50 PM (puu6v)

I've wondered about this as well.

Posted by: Jordan61 at March 23, 2020 01:52 PM (Ez6QX)

442 A two faced sodomite. Well.....

That would probably come in real handy for a sodomite.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at March 23, 2020 01:52 PM (e284m)

443 You have to pass the bill before you find out what's in it.

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 23, 2020 01:52 PM (E2o2V)

444 and this was a demographic with alot of older (50+) people

Yeah it was a really small sample but it was a pretty closed environment and the study does not support the hysterical claims and projections we've seen.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 23, 2020 01:53 PM (KZzsI)

445 I'm tired of repeating:
with the flu - you can get typical pneumonia
which if you need a ventilator, you'll only need it for a few days (after which you either croak or recover)
you are low risk for spreading your pneumonia

with the China virus a lot of ppl will recover without hospitalization
but a number will need a ventilator for around 2 weeks
in those 2 weeks their infection is actively trying to infect anyone caring for them

Posted by: vmom 2020 at March 23, 2020 01:53 PM (G546f)

446
Yes - 36
No - 29

Posted by: Tami at March 23, 2020 01:53 PM (cF8AT)

447 Well lookie here. The Friday Freakout about Trump calling for a nationwide lockdown today appears to be utter bullshit.

https://tinyurl.com/sclobwu

Love how the Examiner just hand waves away its own reporting with oh they changed their minds.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at March 23, 2020 01:53 PM (mf5HN)

448 Either this is WAAAAYYY more contagious than people are saying or people have lost their damn minds.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at March 23, 2020 01:32 PM (mf5HN)

If you go with the cruise ship stats, it's not that bad and people are losing their minds.
If you go with Italy losing people left and right, it's bad.
If you go with South Korea, Japan, and Taiwan, it's not that bad and people are losing their minds.
If you go with the EpochTimes and their stats on the drop in Chinese cellphone usage, along with crematoriums run full blast, you aren't panicking enough.
I tend to be in the people are losing their minds camp. However, I will admit I could be wrong.

Posted by: Future News at March 23, 2020 01:53 PM (ajxRf)

449 Yoo hoo!

Posted by: Not Voting Our Way Out Of This at March 23, 2020 01:53 PM (fNWtj)

450 Trump should have done a presser before the vote to pre-shame them.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at March 23, 2020 01:53 PM (KxVoZ)

451 You do realize the blue cities will not learn a single thing from this right?

They'll come out of this convinced that livin in the city, voting Democrat is the only way to go and looking down on us middle of the country dumbasses.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at March 23, 2020 01:50 PM (e284m)

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Here;s the canned response.

"Do you know WHY Covid wasnt such a big deal. Because we listened to SCIENCE!!!, shut down our society and SAVED THE PLANET!!! WHAT WE DID... WORKED!!!!"

Its kinda like Obamas "jobs saved" stats. Bullshit.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 23, 2020 01:53 PM (nw6Hr)

452 Convinced I had something that sounds like this virus late last year. Serious question- does that possibly mean that I could have a certain amount of immunity? Or, could I be a carrier somehow?


yes you would have some immunity

we'll probably never know b/c at this point the Powers that Be don't want us to know so there will NEVER be an antibody test

Posted by: THE_BlackOrchid_STATE! at March 23, 2020 01:53 PM (j9HX3)

453 Anus King - NO

Posted by: Guy Smiley at March 23, 2020 01:53 PM (KxVoZ)

454 It's contagious as heck -- AND people have lost their damn minds.

Because 99% of the people who catch it will not die from it, and probably around 75% won't even know they caught it.

It you wee to test every American for the flue virus every year, you'd be shocked to discover that half the country (if not MOST ) of the country would test positive. It's just that most people have strong enough immune systems that the symptoms are mild to non-existent. It only really "gets" people whop are already sick or run-down or ill in other ways.

So, yeah, Covid-19 is exactly like all other coronaviruses - -very very contagious. But it's also like every other coronavirus in that it's not going to wipe out the planet. Every year humanity goes through the exact same "pandemic," but every year everyone just shrugs and people don't even notice or comment on it.

So far, as "bad" as the stats are for Covid-19, they STILL are dwarfed by the annual influenza statistics (infections and death) for any random year. Even THIS year -- there are vastly more influenza infections and deaths this year than there are from Covid-19.
Posted by: zombie
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Zombie,
You nailed it perfectly!

Posted by: lin-duh at March 23, 2020 01:53 PM (UUBmN)

455 Ontario just went into lockdown. All "non-essential businesses" are closed as of tomorrow at midnight.

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/1.4864492

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 23, 2020 01:53 PM (e/H31)

456 Is all of Pelosi's crap still in the bill?

Posted by: wth at March 23, 2020 01:51 PM (v0R5T)

Pelosi's bill is a completely separate entity but the Dems want to put a bunch of its contents in the proposed legislation senators had negotiated. So at this stage, off-stage, they're negotiating a compromise bill and Mnuchin is heavily involved.

Posted by: Vendette, Turning 29 Once Again at March 23, 2020 01:53 PM (nRNOc)

457 Mike needed those masks for the school lunch program.

Posted by: Baracky O'Cracky at March 23, 2020 01:53 PM (EgshT)

458 chools in NC closed to May 15th.

Theaters, nail and hair salons (thank you God, I was regingered two weeks ago), bowling alleys, gyms, all closed.

No public gatherings over 50 people.

There are 297 cases in the entire state.

Either this is WAAAAYYY more contagious than people are saying or people have lost their damn minds.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at March 23, 2020 01:32 PM (mf5HN)

Maybe by closing the sate, they are in line for more Federal CA$H?

Posted by: JoeF. at March 23, 2020 01:54 PM (CqE5x)

459
Look at Northern Italy. Their hospital system is collapsing.

Posted by: rd at March 23, 2020 01:47 PM (+0uDE)

It also helps as in Italy, you give all of the Lombardy area to Chinese workers, if everyone smokes, they're the 2nd oldest population in the world, they all hug each other, they don't practice hygiene as we do, and healthcare sucks.

Posted by: Cannibal Glob at March 23, 2020 01:54 PM (7ZMbn)

460 Among the things in the bill they jammed in:

-Increases borrowing ability of US Postal Service
-Early Voting funding
-Allowing same-day registration for elections
-Federal employee collective bargaining increases
-Limitations on airline pollution
-Promoting education on global warming
-Increased funding for community newspapers
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 23, 2020 01:48 PM (KZzsI)


What? No funding for luxury apartments for vagrants? Or for more free needles?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 23, 2020 01:54 PM (YqDXo)

461 Hey, do you want way too many masks or do you want something important like hiring 75 statisticians and constructing disease models that indicate the correct stocking levels so we don't end up with too many masks in the future.
Hey, if we need masks the Chinese can ship us some. We're best buds.

Posted by: Dr. Falsie at March 23, 2020 01:54 PM (e1mEI)

462 Ontario just went into lockdown. All "non-essential businesses" are closed as of tomorrow at midnight.

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Who gives a crap about what happens in Canada?

Posted by: SH at March 23, 2020 01:54 PM (sX1BW)

463
Yes - 39
No - 31

Posted by: Tami at March 23, 2020 01:54 PM (cF8AT)

464 "there are vastly more influenza infections and deaths this year than there are from Covid-19." Posted by: zombie


I think the difference is that flu is already "endemic" which is why it recurs each year, with some mutations. So it is already nationwide. This corvid-19 is starting from a few hot spots, and will progress through virgin territory ... till it hits the peak infection rate.

that point of the curve is still ahead of us. There is no or little herd immunity, unlike the flu. And no vaccine, unlike the flu. We will learn more, but Italy showed the potential for it to be very effective at spreading. So true, we don't see it yet ... BUT the "exponential phase" is still on the upswing, and social distance slows it while we figure out the best anti-virals and co-treatment protocols.


We got a 2-4 week head start thanks to Trump acting on China in the face of WHO and the haters. And we HOPE the "CQ" treatment is the winner, or another. But till we know, we do the distancing dance.

Posted by: illiniwek at March 23, 2020 01:54 PM (Cus5s)

465 Murky - aye
Inhofe - aye
Cortez-Masticate - NO
Shelby - aye

Posted by: Guy Smiley at March 23, 2020 01:54 PM (KxVoZ)

466 451 Here;s the canned response.

"Do you know WHY Covid wasnt such a big deal. Because we listened to SCIENCE!!!, shut down our society and SAVED THE PLANET!!! WHAT WE DID... WORKED!!!!"

Its kinda like Obamas "jobs saved" stats. Bullshit.
Posted by: fixerupper at March 23, 2020 01:53 PM (nw6Hr)

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I'm looking forward to the new Democratic talking point:

"We need to replace Trump because he's not enough of a dictatorial tyrant for us!"

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at March 23, 2020 01:54 PM (zZbCU)

467
The thing that's really starting to piss me off is that if you watch TV news, you'd think that the only fucking city that matters is New York.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 23, 2020 01:49 PM (EGyGV)

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Like how half of all American movies are set there? The other half are in LA.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at March 23, 2020 01:50 PM (zZbCU)







'zactly.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 23, 2020 01:54 PM (EGyGV)

468 How many deaths will the media and dems be responsible for downplaying the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine just so they can pretend to dunk on Trump?

Posted by: Garthe Knight at March 23, 2020 01:55 PM (el849)

469 A reminder that a week after Trump restricted flights from China
NYC had a hugfest where thousands gathered to embrace their Chinese neighbors.
cuz Orange Man Bad

https://tinyurl.com/s47yd45
Gee, I wonder why NYC has sooo many cases ?!?!?

Diversity x Density = Suffering

Posted by: McCool at March 23, 2020 01:55 PM (sZaoP)

470 -Increases borrowing ability of US Postal Service

-Early Voting funding

-Allowing same-day registration for elections

-Federal employee collective bargaining increases

-Limitations on airline pollution

-Promoting education on global warming

-Increased funding for community newspapers

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 23, 2020 01:48 PM (KZzsI)



That would be seven HELL NO's.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 23, 2020 01:51 PM (YqDXo)

I concur that this is seven hell nos... is this in Pelosi's bill or the bill the Senate is voting on now? If the latter, Mitch et al need to be voting hell no right along with the perfidious Democrats.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at March 23, 2020 01:55 PM (nAiE/)

471 Trump should have done a presser before the vote to pre-shame them.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at March 23, 2020 01:53 PM (KxVoZ)

He's going for the "post-shame."

Posted by: JoeF. at March 23, 2020 01:55 PM (CqE5x)

472 And most people that have the flu never report it.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 23, 2020 01:42 PM (2GjZZ)

I got it two years ago when it was really bad. Started with a cough and then fever, chills, body aches, etc. The cough ended up lasting for a month after everything else had long faded away, but wow was I sick for a good week and not up to doing much for at least another week after that. I never went in so it never got reported.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 23, 2020 01:55 PM (j3npP)

473
396 Look at Northern Italy. Their hospital system is collapsing.
Posted by: rd at March 23, 2020 01:47 PM (+0uDE)

Socialized medicine, old population, lots of Chinks, lost of smokers
Posted by: JoeF. at March 23, 2020 01:48 PM (CqE5x)


Demonstrates what a joke WHO healthcare rankings are. Italy is like second behind France? Why? Because of cost. Never mind that a bunch of that cost is hidden in their taxes before they even get to the hospital. Meanwhile the US has likely the best in the world but it's ranked lower because of the cost.

Now here's a simple question everyone here already knows the answer too. When you are sick and your life might be on the line are you going to go for the healthcare that is "better" because it is cheaper or are you going with the healthcare that costs some money because it actually is good enough to cost something.

Posted by: Buzzion at March 23, 2020 01:55 PM (mgHet)

474 No DEMS changed their vote on this, did they. Sad!

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at March 23, 2020 01:55 PM (JRaU+)

475 Manchin - NO

You muther fucker

Posted by: Guy Smiley at March 23, 2020 01:55 PM (KxVoZ)

476 Are the fuckikin dems still trying to hyjack the bill with left wing wet dreams?

I sure hope PDT does not fall for that

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 23, 2020 01:55 PM (nRk/c)

477 My company's Chief Medical Officer just said we aren't doing ENOUGH for this fucking Chinese Flu, and is saying we're only a couple of weeks behind Northern Italy.

We're all going to die.

Also said anyone who says otherwise is either ignorant or deliberately misleading you.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, turns out lots of people give a damn! at March 23, 2020 01:55 PM (Ve//x)

478 The choice to just let people over a certain age die to save beds and supplies didn't help matters.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 23, 2020 01:52 PM (KZzsI)

This is why NYState is facing a ventilator issue, the Head of the Heath Department decided triage was wiser than ventilator purchases. He even came up with a color coded system.

Posted by: CN at March 23, 2020 01:55 PM (ONvIw)

479 There are 297 cases in the entire state.

Either this is WAAAAYYY more contagious than people are saying or people have lost their damn minds.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at March 23, 2020 01:32 PM (mf5HN)

they are operating on the theory that if they have 297 confirmed cases, then they also have a much larger number of unconfirmed, not yet symptomatic cases.

Posted by: vmom 2020 at March 23, 2020 01:55 PM (G546f)

480 447 Well lookie here. The Friday Freakout about Trump calling for a nationwide lockdown today appears to be utter bullshit.

https://tinyurl.com/sclobwu

Love how the Examiner just hand waves away its own reporting with oh they changed their minds.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at March 23, 2020 01:53 PM (mf5HN)


Hi alex!! And people I know wonder why I have TRUST issues!!

Posted by: tubal at March 23, 2020 01:55 PM (90T4r)

481
Yes - 39
No - 37

Posted by: Tami at March 23, 2020 01:56 PM (cF8AT)

482 418 397 Also, with the deaths, we would need to know a lot more about each of the cases before attributing them to coronavirus. If these people were near death from underlying conditions, coronavirus could be incidental.
Posted by: jwest at March 23, 2020 01:40 PM (mrrpT)

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From what I've been reading, most of the deaths are due to other medical issues, not strictly due to the virus.
Posted by: SMH - Seriously? at March 23, 2020 01:48 PM (RU4sa)

>88% had 2 or more serious long term illnesses.
Posted by: rhennigantx at March 23, 2020 01:50 PM (JFO2v)

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Coronavirus is the final brick that collapses their health entirely. Without the virus, they may very well have died next week, next month, or maybe not for several years.

Coronavirus was just the final, terminal problem. Count the deaths however you want. But ask one question? Would the body be on this slab today, if they didn't catch the Wuhan Coronavirus?

Posted by: rd at March 23, 2020 01:56 PM (+0uDE)

483 Posted by: illiniwek at March 23, 2020 01:54 PM (Cu

There was no H1N1 vaccine.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at March 23, 2020 01:56 PM (2DOZq)

484 It's over.

Posted by: Vendette, Turning 29 Once Again at March 23, 2020 01:56 PM (nRNOc)

485 Who gives a crap about what happens in Canada?
Posted by: SH at March 23, 2020 01:54 PM (sX1BW)
+++++++++++++++
Because they're close by and we often move in similar directions and they have a giant Asian (largely Chinese) population.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 23, 2020 01:56 PM (e/H31)

486 Here's my 2 cents. I've been a paramedic/firefighter and in emergency medical services for 25 years. I've been through multiple outbreaks/pandemics in the past. NONE has risen to the response of this one, and I don't know why. I get regular updates through work, but nothing explains the response that the US /State/Local government has taken to the corona virus.

I'm a math major, and something doesn't add up. nothing I've seen or hear equals our economic shutdown response. What worries me most is why these decisions are being made. Are there variables that we're not aware of? Most likely, and that's what scares me. Why would Pres. Trump act against his gut instinct of supercharging America's economy unless there was a good and reasonable reason?

As a veteran of SOF, would China do this intentionally to wreck our economy? I can't say no, because they don't even care bout their own citizens. We've been in a somewhat hot trade war with them as of late. Would they say, "F-U, we'll crater your economy and we don't care who gets hurt, even our own country?" I can see that happening. They don't care who they hurt as long as it keeps their power.

This is what keeps me up at night. And hitting the bourbon more often that probably recommended.

Posted by: trog04 at March 23, 2020 01:56 PM (oecje)

487 At this point I think if Trump grabbed Pelosi and bit her head off his approval ratings would be around 75%.

Posted by: JEM at March 23, 2020 01:56 PM (8erNz)

488 For the millionth time: there are ZERO moderate people with a D next to their name. ZERO

Killing born babies is now in their official platform. If that doesn't get you to switch parties, you are not a moderate. If you can wear that D with pride you are not a moderate.

But it's not just my opinion, it plays out every day. Except when Manchin shoots ObamaCare with a rifle. That's moderation baby!!!

Posted by: ... at March 23, 2020 01:56 PM (jvCdG)

489 Schumer should swing for this.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at March 23, 2020 01:56 PM (KxVoZ)

490 354 It you wee to test every American for the flue virus every year, you'd be shocked to discover that half the country (if not MOST ) of the country would test positive. It's just that most people have strong enough immune systems that the symptoms are mild to non-existent. It only really "gets" people whop are already sick or run-down or ill in other ways.

So, yeah, Covid-19 is exactly like all other coronaviruses - -very very contagious. But it's also like every other coronavirus in that it's not going to wipe out the planet. Every year humanity goes through the exact same "pandemic," but every year everyone just shrugs and people don't even notice or comment on it.

So far, as "bad" as the stats are for Covid-19, they STILL are dwarfed by the annual influenza statistics (infections and death) for any random year. Even THIS year -- there are vastly more influenza infections and deaths this year than there are from Covid-19.
Posted by: zombie


And most people that have the flu never report it.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 23, 2020 01:42 PM (2GjZZ)


Well...this COVID-19 crap is in addition to flu, not instead of. The risk of death or permanent lung damage appears like it will end up being pretty low, but that's to be proven. When public fear becomes a major factor, statistics will take a back seat for a period of time. So, cold-blooded comparisons with other communicable respiratory diseases are problematic at this time.

Posted by: Gref at March 23, 2020 01:56 PM (AMIL/)

491 So, the bill fails in the Senate.

Nancy passes a bill with everything on her laundry list of desires in the House.

The Senate ends up passing it word for word because we must DO SOMETHING!

This DO SOMETHING attitude is going to come right around and bite us, you know.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at March 23, 2020 01:56 PM (zZbCU)

492 How many deaths will the media and dems be responsible for downplaying the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine just so they can pretend to dunk on Trump?
Posted by: Garthe Knight at March 23, 2020 01:55 PM (el849)

Cuomo was lauded by CNN for proposing the same stuff.
Trump was mocked for proposing.

Posted by: JoeF. at March 23, 2020 01:56 PM (CqE5x)

493 Pelosi's bill is a completely separate entity but the Dems want to put a bunch of its contents in the proposed legislation senators had negotiated. So at this stage, off-stage, they're negotiating a compromise bill and Mnuchin is heavily involved.
Posted by: Vendette, Turning 29 Once Again at March 23, 2020 01:53 PM (nRNOc)


Trump should call her and threaten to hang all of this around her scrawny neck by reading out all of the crap she put into the bill that is holding up its passage. Then look right into the camera and say "The Speaker of the House is endangering American lives and prosperity to get her pet policies funded. Call her office now at [whatever her number is] and tell her what you think about that."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 23, 2020 01:56 PM (YqDXo)

494 I can't believe the Corona virus just doesn't slide off those Italians.

*tries joke again*

Posted by: Cannibal Slob at March 23, 2020 01:56 PM (7ZMbn)

495 how much better prepared would we have been had it not been for Impeachment taking up all the country's energy

Posted by: DB- just DB. at March 23, 2020 01:56 PM (iTXRQ)

496 Did it fail??

Posted by: JoeF. at March 23, 2020 01:57 PM (CqE5x)

497 My company's Chief Medical Officer

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And therein lies the problem.

We are a country where companies have Chief Medical Officers. Such a stupid title.

Even if you are in the medical field, you don't need such a title.

Posted by: SH at March 23, 2020 01:57 PM (sX1BW)

498 I posted this earlier, but this is two biowarfare guys from military/government now university (in TX) ... best explanations I've seen on it so far.


https://tinyurl.com/rlpy9jo

Posted by: illiniwek at March 23, 2020 01:57 PM (Cus5s)

499 Bennet - NO

Fuck you traitor.

Fuck all of the Dem traitors voting in lockstep to screw America.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at March 23, 2020 01:57 PM (KxVoZ)

500 This CMO is supposed to inform us, not incite more of a panic.

He's a dick.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, turns out lots of people give a damn! at March 23, 2020 01:57 PM (Ve//x)

501 This is why NYState is facing a ventilator issue, the Head of the Heath Department decided triage was wiser than ventilator purchases. He even came up with a color coded system.
Posted by: CN at March 23, 2020 01:55 PM (ONvIw)
+++++++++++++++++
The recommended ventilator purchases would have expensive - about half a billion dollars. I am sure there were things they would rather spend the money on...

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 23, 2020 01:57 PM (e/H31)

502 *whistles while swinging keychain*

Posted by: Not Voting Our Way Out Of This at March 23, 2020 01:57 PM (fNWtj)

503 41 plus 38 = 79
18 left tovote

it can't pass

Posted by: JoeF. at March 23, 2020 01:57 PM (CqE5x)

504 >Trump should call her and threaten...
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara



absolutely goddamn right

Posted by: DB- just DB. at March 23, 2020 01:58 PM (iTXRQ)

505 New spin: Obama obviously did a great job with swine flu because he exhausted the supply of masks. He was on top of things! Trump was incompetent as he didn't think to replenish his empty cupboards.

Posted by: numbad at March 23, 2020 01:58 PM (gJAok)

506
My company's Chief Medical Officer

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Do they call him "Bones?"

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 23, 2020 01:58 PM (aKsyK)

507 Yes - 41
No - 40

Posted by: Tami at March 23, 2020 01:58 PM (cF8AT)

508 We ever get out of this and have elections again, I will devote myself to getting Bennet out of office.


Posted by: Guy Smiley at March 23, 2020 01:58 PM (KxVoZ)

509 Nancy passes a bill with everything on her laundry list of desires in the House.

The Senate ends up passing it word for word because we must DO SOMETHING!

This DO SOMETHING attitude is going to come right around and bite us, you know.

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If only there was something that could be done. Like voting no.

Posted by: SH at March 23, 2020 01:58 PM (sX1BW)

510
We're all going to die.

Good so i can stop paying my bills? Works for me

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 23, 2020 01:58 PM (nRk/c)

511 Posted by: rd at March 23, 2020 01:56 PM (+0uDE)

H1N1 killed young people without underlying conditions.

I'm not trying to downplay Coronavirus but it's difficult not to compare the numbers and the associated reactions of the two pandemics.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at March 23, 2020 01:58 PM (2DOZq)

512 Do they call him "Bones?"

The rank and file have other names for him. Quite a few, actually.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, turns out lots of people give a damn! at March 23, 2020 01:59 PM (Ve//x)

513 I wonder what else those fuckers failed to replenish.

Posted by: JAS at March 23, 2020 01:59 PM (2BZBZ)

514 what are they voting on?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 23, 2020 01:59 PM (nRk/c)

515 509 Nancy passes a bill with everything on her laundry list of desires in the House.

The Senate ends up passing it word for word because we must DO SOMETHING!

This DO SOMETHING attitude is going to come right around and bite us, you know.

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If only there was something that could be done. Like voting no.
Posted by: SH at March 23, 2020 01:58 PM (sX1BW)

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Like what Democrats are doing right now?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at March 23, 2020 01:59 PM (zZbCU)

516 Pelosi is a legislative bio terrorist

Posted by: vmom 2020 at March 23, 2020 01:59 PM (G546f)

517 The Senate ends up passing it word for word because we must DO SOMETHING!
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It didn't pass

Posted by: JoeF. at March 23, 2020 01:59 PM (CqE5x)

518 My brother has to go to a clinic once a month. His nurse told me she managed to get her hands on 30 masks, to distribute among the staff. The clinic usually sends someone to transport the patients, but COVID19 has stopped that. They don't want patients in the hospital fleet.

Posted by: kallisto at March 23, 2020 01:59 PM (3FOeT)

519 So, the bill fails in the Senate.



Nancy passes a bill with everything on her laundry list of desires in the House.



The Senate ends up passing it word for word because we must DO SOMETHING!



This DO SOMETHING attitude is going to come right around and bite us, you know.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at March 23, 2020 01:56 PM (zZbCU)

I do not see Trump letting them do that. He better not anyway.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at March 23, 2020 01:59 PM (nAiE/)

520 >>Well lookie here. The Friday Freakout about Trump calling for a nationwide lockdown today appears to be utter bullshit.


Let's see. . . de Blasio and a hysterical press demanding Trump order a nationwide lockdown late last week, and then today Pelosi implementing new talking point that the "Trump lockdown" is responsible for the economic collapse.

Could they BE any more obvious?

Posted by: Lizzy at March 23, 2020 01:59 PM (bDqIh)

521 The recommended ventilator purchases would have
expensive - about half a billion dollars. I am sure there were things
they would rather spend the money on...

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 23, 2020 01:57 PM (e/H31)

Gaia. Greedy bitch.

Posted by: Cannibal Slob at March 23, 2020 01:59 PM (7ZMbn)

522
Yes - 43
No - 41

Posted by: Tami at March 23, 2020 01:59 PM (cF8AT)

523 "411 You do realize the blue cities will not learn a single thing from this right?

They'll come out of this convinced that livin in the city, voting Democrat is the only way to go and looking down on us middle of the country dumbasses."

People will vote with their feet. Look for living in densely populated urban areas to become as popular as the real plague if this gets worse.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at March 23, 2020 01:59 PM (puu6v)

524 Executive Order a hold on all Congressional salaries and benefits.


Posted by: deplorable unperson - sanitized for your protection at March 23, 2020 02:00 PM (mw1Wz)

525 517 The Senate ends up passing it word for word because we must DO SOMETHING!
-------------------------------------------------------------

It didn't pass
Posted by: JoeF. at March 23, 2020 01:59 PM (CqE5x)

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You know,...there was more to that post.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at March 23, 2020 02:00 PM (zZbCU)

526 My company's Chief Medical Officer just said we aren't doing ENOUGH for this fucking Chinese Flu, and is saying we're only a couple of weeks behind Northern Italy.

We're all going to die.

Also said anyone who says otherwise is either ignorant or deliberately misleading you.
Posted by: WitchDoktor
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That's exactly the line my NextDoor neighbor gave me yesterday...hmmm, things that make you wonder???

Posted by: lin-duh at March 23, 2020 02:00 PM (UUBmN)

527 I got it two years ago when it was really bad. Started with a cough and then fever, chills, body aches, etc. The cough ended up lasting for a month after everything else had long faded away, but wow was I sick for a good week and not up to doing much for at least another week after that. I never went in so it never got reported.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 23, 2020 01:55 PM (j3npP)

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That was H3N2. Deadliest flu impact wise since the Spanish flu. Hospitalized 800,000 people in the US. Killed 80,000. I had it too.

It was SOOOOOO bad ..... we didnt even name that damn mutation or even remind people to wsh their hands. Not a single headline about anywhere either.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 23, 2020 02:00 PM (nw6Hr)

528 Update on high school buddy.

57 YO. Terribly ill 9 days ago but was at home. Was feeling better by last Monday. Seemed to be recovering.

Started having trouble breathing THU night and was admitted to ICU on oxygen. Was given the malaria drug. Went back home yesterday and seemingly doing better again.

Fingers crossed.

Posted by: Deep State 368 at March 23, 2020 02:00 PM (qLs5f)

529 I will ask again... are the Democrats acting like a party that thinks even momentarily that it's winning everything back in November?

Posted by: ... at March 23, 2020 02:00 PM (jvCdG)

530 Something that's really rankling about this CMO of ours...

He's an MD, OK. But he didn't come in as an MD. He was involved in the work we do for medical care. He played the game and got promoted to CIO, then got a CMO title a week ago.

Best that I could find out, he hasn't been in practice for like 20-25 years.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, turns out lots of people give a damn! at March 23, 2020 02:00 PM (Ve//x)

531 People will vote with their feet. Look for living in densely populated urban areas to become as popular as the real plague if this gets worse.


it doesn't even have to get any worse

my retirement plans have done a 180 due to the reaction of blue leaders

Posted by: THE_BlackOrchid_STATE! at March 23, 2020 02:00 PM (j9HX3)

532 You know,...there was more to that post.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at March 23, 2020 02:00 PM (zZbCU)

LOL - you mean the part where the point was made?

Posted by: Guy Smiley at March 23, 2020 02:00 PM (KxVoZ)

533 Trump should call her and threaten to hang all of this around her scrawny neck by reading out all of the crap she put into the bill that is holding up its passage. Then look right into the camera and say "The Speaker of the House is endangering American lives and prosperity to get her pet policies funded. Call her office now at [whatever her number is] and tell her what you think about that."
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 23, 2020 01:56 PM (YqDXo)

I wouldn't put it past him

Posted by: JoeF. at March 23, 2020 02:00 PM (CqE5x)

534 The recommended ventilator purchases would have expensive - about half a billion dollars. I am sure there were things they would rather spend the money on...
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 23, 2020 01:57 PM (e/H31)

Right, buying votes and an solar panels

Posted by: CN at March 23, 2020 02:01 PM (ONvIw)

535 Indiana's governor announced a stay-at-home order from 3/25 - 4/7

Posted by: Fortcoins at March 23, 2020 02:01 PM (JbL9Q)

536 526 My company's Chief Medical Officer just said we aren't doing ENOUGH for this fucking Chinese Flu, and is saying we're only a couple of weeks behind Northern Italy.

We're all going to die.

Also said anyone who says otherwise is either ignorant or deliberately misleading you.
Posted by: WitchDoktor
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That's exactly the line my NextDoor neighbor gave me yesterday...hmmm, things that make you wonder???
Posted by: lin-duh at March 23, 2020 02:00 PM (UUBmN)

Like, why does his company have Chief Medical Officer? And, how much is this guy getting paid?

Posted by: Someguy at March 23, 2020 02:01 PM (Zm+LZ)

537 You know,...there was more to that post.

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So now you are expecting people to read your 3rd sentences.

Posted by: SH at March 23, 2020 02:01 PM (sX1BW)

538
Yes - 45
No - 43

Posted by: Tami at March 23, 2020 02:01 PM (cF8AT)

539 Started having trouble breathing THU night and was admitted to ICU on oxygen. Was given the malaria drug. Went back home yesterday and seemingly doing better again.


this is awesome! I hope he continues his recovery DeepState

Posted by: THE_BlackOrchid_STATE! at March 23, 2020 02:01 PM (j9HX3)

540 A reminder that a week after Trump restricted flights from China
NYC had a hugfest where thousands gathered to embrace their Chinese neighbors.
cuz Orange Man Bad



AND AT THE TOP OF THAT PAGE, a banner headline about the NY corona deaths....

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 23, 2020 02:01 PM (oVJmc)

541 Here;s the canned response.

"Do you know WHY Covid wasnt such a big deal. Because we listened to SCIENCE!!!, shut down our society and SAVED THE PLANET!!! WHAT WE DID... WORKED!!!!"


That is correct, they are already trying to trot it out. Social distancing and quarantine worked by preventing a worse disaster!

What is the criteria for deciding it wasn't needed? The same for deciding the planet isn't warming uncontrollably and we're all going to roast: THERE IS NONE. Its a system designed to produce only one answer.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 23, 2020 02:01 PM (KZzsI)

542 Executive Order a hold on all Congressional salaries and benefits.




Posted by: deplorable unperson - sanitized for your protection at March 23, 2020 02:00 PM (mw1Wz)

Unconstitutional.

Posted by: Vendette, Turning 29 Once Again at March 23, 2020 02:01 PM (nRNOc)

543 537 You know,...there was more to that post.

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So now you are expecting people to read your 3rd sentences.
Posted by: SH at March 23, 2020 02:01 PM (sX1BW)

==========

The first might have been nice.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at March 23, 2020 02:01 PM (zZbCU)

544 If that's the shit we KNOW about in the bill, there's shit that has been unwrapped yet.

This is an opportunity to give the totalitarians a wet dream. And I wish it were ONLY the Democrats that behaved that way, but the Jr Democrats of America Republican Fan Club will be okay with it.

Been saying for years. The Democrats want the Express Train to Hell to get there by 12:00, the Republicans will be okay with it if it gets there by 17:00.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at March 23, 2020 02:01 PM (e284m)

545 *waves to tubal*

I tend to be in the people are losing their minds camp. However, I will admit I could be wrong.
Posted by: Future News at March 23, 2020 01:53 PM (ajxRf)


Here is where I counter my own position.

All the discussions on this are, basically, hearsay since it is impossible to get solid data from China.

Thus, let's look to the hearsay exceptions to sort this out. Most of the hearsay exceptions center around indices of reliability, i.e., this hearsay statement can be trusted because it is in line with other statements/other ways in which data in handled.

Okay, that framework in mind, let us review.

Of what is Trump proudest? The economy and the stock market.

What is being annihilated? The economy and the stock market.

Is Trump out there screaming how this is all terrible and to stop this right now, you idiot governors, you are ruining everything! No.

At any point in the last nearly 50 years that Trump has been a national figure has he exhibited a willingness to live and let live and go along to get along. That would also be no.

Trump is acting as if all of this is serious and necessary. Thus, that has the indices of reliability that this is, in fact, serious.

That said, there's still a happy medium between shut down All The Things and we are all going to die in the streets.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at March 23, 2020 02:01 PM (mf5HN)

546
My company's Chief Medical Officer just said we aren't doing ENOUGH for this fucking Chinese Flu, and is saying we're only a couple of weeks behind Northern Italy.

We're all going to die.

Also said anyone who says otherwise is either ignorant or deliberately misleading you.

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We are at the social shaming stage now. The "no I never said anything like that stage" comes along a little later.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 23, 2020 02:01 PM (nw6Hr)

547 >>People will vote with their feet. Look for living in densely populated urban areas to become as popular as the real plague if this gets worse.

They are about to turn the Javits Center in NYC into a makeshift hospital.

I'd say that qualifies as worse.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 23, 2020 02:01 PM (ZLI7S)

548 514 what are they voting on?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 23, 2020 01:59 PM (nRk/c)

That is what I am wondering.

Posted by: tubal at March 23, 2020 02:01 PM (90T4r)

549 Let's see. . . de Blasio and a hysterical press
demanding Trump order a nationwide lockdown late last week, and then
today Pelosi implementing new talking point that the "Trump lockdown" is
responsible for the economic collapse.



Could they BE any more obvious?

Posted by: Lizzy at March 23, 2020 01:59 PM (bDqIh)

That just makes her look stupid since he is still being criticized by her lefttard followers for not going full dictator. You would have thought they would have learned by now to adapt when Trump doesn't follow their script.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at March 23, 2020 02:02 PM (nAiE/)

550 A reminder that a week after Trump restricted flights from China

NYC had a hugfest where thousands gathered to embrace their Chinese neighbors.

cuz Orange Man Bad



https://tinyurl.com/s47yd45

Gee, I wonder why NYC has sooo many cases ?!?!?



Diversity x Density = Suffering

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Well, okay, maybe NYC will follow the Italy model after all. Idiots.

Posted by: Methos at March 23, 2020 02:02 PM (kOpft)

551 Olympics in Japan Postponed

Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at March 23, 2020 02:02 PM (N54ux)

552 It is times like this that I am glad I bought my US president place mat in 2007. Having to look at that man every night would drive me to drink.

Posted by: Picric at March 23, 2020 02:02 PM (nonGu)

553
Unconstitutional.

So is murder.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - sanitized for your protection at March 23, 2020 02:02 PM (mw1Wz)

554 Jesus is Trump going to be PISSED at today's presser.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at March 23, 2020 02:02 PM (KxVoZ)

555 New spin: Obama obviously did a great job with swine flu because he exhausted the supply of masks. He was on top of things!

Obama is a bottom.

Posted by: JoeF. at March 23, 2020 02:03 PM (CqE5x)

556 After this, Trump really has no choice but to "politicize" - i.e., respond to the breath-taking (and clumsy) vandalism of the Dems.

Lysenkoist ("climate change") idiocy? Federal unionized workers?

Every ridiculous item I've seen here has zero traction in the broader public - only grift or ideological nonsense for the dumbest and most corrupt of the Dem base.

Trying to imagine the focus group data that led them to do this (that is the only basis for any action/inaction by them at this point).

This is, as it should be, a political calamity for the Dems - IF Trump will now do his part. Which won't be pretty.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 23, 2020 02:03 PM (El6T/)

557 Convinced I had something that sounds like this virus late last year. Serious question- does that possibly mean that I could have a certain amount of immunity? Or, could I be a carrier somehow?
Anybody???
_________________

I'm not a doctor, but based on what I read the people who are infected with the virus only "shed" the virus (which is what makes them contagious to others) for a short period of time (5 days to a few weeks, based on how bad their symptoms are). A German study said that people with mild symptoms can still test positive for the virus for weeks, but they are usually not infectious 10 days after symptoms start.

So if you did have the virus in late December, it's unlikely that you'd still be contagious now.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at March 23, 2020 02:03 PM (k4dH2)

558 A reminder that a week after Trump restricted flights from China

NYC had a hugfest where thousands gathered to embrace their Chinese neighbors.

cuz Orange Man Bad



https://tinyurl.com/s47yd45

Gee, I wonder why NYC has sooo many cases ?!?!?



Diversity x Density = DEATH

-

Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at March 23, 2020 02:03 PM (N54ux)

559 477 My company's Chief Medical Officer just said we aren't doing ENOUGH for this fucking Chinese Flu, and is saying we're only a couple of weeks behind Northern Italy.

We're all going to die.

Also said anyone who says otherwise is either ignorant or deliberately misleading you.
Posted by: WitchDoktor, turns out lots of people give a damn! at March 23, 2020 01:55 PM (Ve//x)

----

Fire the Ignorant Inflammatory Asshole.

He is probably correct that most of the Senior Citizens in the C-Suites are going to get sick, and many will die. The vast majority of the workers will be fine.

But your probably geriatric Chief Medical Officer and his equally geriatric Executive Suite friends are likely in some danger. Just like me.

Posted by: rd at March 23, 2020 02:03 PM (+0uDE)

560 H1N1 killed young people without underlying conditions.

I'm not trying to downplay Coronavirus but it's difficult not to compare the numbers and the associated reactions of the two pandemics.
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at March 23, 2020 01:58 PM (2DOZq)


Watch the video I linked to above, in which a Stanford MD puts corona virus into its historical context with other pandemics, including inter alia H1N1.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 23, 2020 02:03 PM (YqDXo)

561
Yes - 46
No - 45

Posted by: Tami at March 23, 2020 02:03 PM (cF8AT)

562 Schumer: We're close to reaching a deal. We're very close.

It's not a DEAL, you asshole. You have a SIMPLE THING to do. It's your fucking greedy, corrupt PORK requests that's FUCKING the AMERICAN PEOPLE.

You need to contract something lethal.

Posted by: Sponge at March 23, 2020 02:03 PM (Zz0t1)

563 My company's Chief Medical Officer just said we aren't doing ENOUGH for this fucking Chinese Flu, and is saying we're only a couple of weeks behind Northern Italy.

Yeah that's what people were saying on Twitter two weeks ago. Instead the curve appears to be going downward. But you'll never ever hear people say "I guess I was wrong" they will only say "the emergency extreme reaction saved us all!"

I fear this is setting the standard for a new normal every damned year.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 23, 2020 02:04 PM (KZzsI)

564
If only that fictional character had been the first black president and not the simpering fuckhead we ended up with.

Posted by: Sharkman at March 23, 2020 01:38 PM (N1kno)

Hell, I would've preferred President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho over the dog-eating crackhead.
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at March 23, 2020 01:52 PM (DTX3h)





President Camacho was a patriot who absolutely, unequivically loved the United States of America. And when he was faced with a crisis that he couldn't handle, he was humble enough to call in the brilliant Not Sure to help solve the problem.

President Camacho is a true American Hero, and I've always hated the persistent urge to compare him to that fucking asshole Chocolate Fonzie.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 23, 2020 02:04 PM (EGyGV)

565 Pelosi demorats are openly showing America that the radical environmental movement is one of the most important tools the demorats use with the intention of destroying America. Open your eyes chillin/babes

Posted by: ron n. at March 23, 2020 02:04 PM (om5HK)

566 Let's see. . . de Blasio and a hysterical press

demanding Trump order a nationwide lockdown late last week, and then

today Pelosi implementing new talking point that the "Trump lockdown" is

responsible for the economic collapse.





Could they BE any more obvious?



But LIV liberals will buy it. I just got off the phone with a friend who hates Trump and says he is a compulsive liar. So nothing Trump does will ever be correct in his mind. And... if I note that the governors are in charge, well, they are just doing what Trump tells them to do. So Trump is always wrong on matter what. Which makes being friends... difficult.

Posted by: shibumi at March 23, 2020 02:04 PM (ZCiJZ)

567
Well, okay, maybe NYC will follow the Italy model after all. Idiots.
Posted by: Methos at March 23, 2020 02:02 PM (kOpft)

I heard somewhere that it's basically the Chinese and Jewish Orthodox communities that are particularly hard hit in New York.

Posted by: JoeF. at March 23, 2020 02:04 PM (CqE5x)

568 We're all going to die.
..........

The end is near.

Posted by: wth at March 23, 2020 02:05 PM (v0R5T)

569
514 what are they voting on?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 23, 2020 01:59 PM (nRk/c)



That is what I am wondering.

Posted by: tubal at March 23, 2020 02:01 PM (90T4r)


It's a repeat of yesterday's cloture vote, and is going to have same result, failure. It is cloture on the motion to proceed, which is to limit time on the debate to actually get on the bill that they are going to use as the "vehicle" for the relief legislation. So the Senate is stuck in the "let's debate whether we should consider this bill at all" phase, as in they're stuck at the very beginning.

Posted by: Vendette, Turning 29 Once Again at March 23, 2020 02:05 PM (nRNOc)

570 A reminder that a week after Trump restricted flights from China

NYC had a hugfest where thousands gathered to embrace their Chinese neighbors.

cuz Orange Man Bad

Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at March 23, 2020 02:03 PM (N54ux)


Such a good idea. It's about time people paid a price for signaling their virtue.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 23, 2020 02:05 PM (YqDXo)

571 Pelosi and Schumer need to be held to account for this debacle.

Trump's gonna go fvcking nuclear this afternoon.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at March 23, 2020 02:05 PM (KxVoZ)

572 I am kind of tired of people trying to claim this is a worse disease than previous FAR MORE DEADLY diseases in the past, because new. Every vastly deadly disease is new, that's why it impacts people so badly. Because they are not prepared for it or exposed to it to build up defenses.

This stuff isn't a sneeze compared to previous godawful plagues and diseases that caused the deaths of millions.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 23, 2020 02:05 PM (KZzsI)

573 drugged up joe was slurring his words in that little speech. mfer is hopped up on goofballs.

Posted by: x at March 23, 2020 02:06 PM (nFwvY)

574 568
We're all going to die.

..........



The end is near.

Posted by: wth at March 23, 2020 02:05 PM (v0R5T)
The correct response is - yes, but not today.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at March 23, 2020 02:06 PM (e284m)

575 569


It's a repeat of yesterday's cloture vote, and is going to have same result, failure. It is cloture on the motion to proceed, which is to limit time on the debate to actually get on the bill that they are going to use as the "vehicle" for the relief legislation. So the Senate is stuck in the "let's debate whether we should consider this bill at all" phase, as in they're stuck at the very beginning.
Posted by: Vendette, Turning 29 Once Again at March 23, 2020 02:05 PM (nRNOc)


Thank you.

Posted by: tubal at March 23, 2020 02:06 PM (90T4r)

576 I think - voting on motion to proceed to a House bill that the Senate will essentially replace with the package of virus actions agreed to by both sides, earlier.

If the motion were to come before the Senate, it would need a majority vote (done), then become the business, and the Senate could amend and vote on it. Of course the Dems could also filibuster the final passage vote.

Again - trying to imagine what dumb, and utterly irresponsible, political strategery the Dems could possibly be pursuing here.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 23, 2020 02:06 PM (El6T/)

577
Yes - 48
No - 46

Posted by: Tami at March 23, 2020 02:06 PM (cF8AT)

578 Who gives a crap about what happens in Canada?
Posted by: SH


the people of Michigan,New York, Minnesota. maybe other states. at one time they all had contracts to purchase cheap electricity from ontario.

Posted by: blackdogs at March 23, 2020 02:06 PM (NAbCm)

579 Trump's gonna go fvcking nuclear this afternoon.
Posted by: Guy Smiley at March 23, 2020 02:05 PM (KxVoZ)


One can only hope.

One can also only hope that he brings up the ridiculous pork they're adding instead of doing what's needed for ALL AMERICANS in an immediate fashion.

Posted by: Sponge at March 23, 2020 02:06 PM (Zz0t1)

580 This may be why today's WuFlu presser is later in the day, so Trump can speak to the Dems' politicization of emergency relief.

Posted by: davidt at March 23, 2020 02:07 PM (l3+k2)

581 Such a good idea. It's about time people paid a price for signaling their virtue.


well we do always say "if only stupid would hurt"

guess what?

Posted by: THE_BlackOrchid_STATE! at March 23, 2020 02:07 PM (j9HX3)

582 You'd be surprised how many of your lefty friends and acquaintances would sell you down the river when the time came. It's not a pretty number.

Posted by: ... at March 23, 2020 02:07 PM (jvCdG)

583 "There was no H1N1 vaccine."Posted by: Kilroy

I can't compare why this is worse than H1N1, or even if it is. "They" seem to think it is ... but at least in theory, I was just saying why it is not like the flu, and why the big numbers may still come, and come quickly. New York looks like numbers could get big fast ... or maybe it is near peak already.


Some said the H1N1 was more obvious, when people were sick, stay away from them. This has younger people laughing it off and spreading it "covertly". The ratio of those needing hospital rooms... is that also higher maybe.


It is not a complete con, the way to stop it is the way we are doing it ... we can evaluate cost later, since media helped force us down the path, we kinda have to finish the course. The oil collapse and credit bubble are different issues, but the virus was the pin to pop that, it would seem.

Posted by: illiniwek at March 23, 2020 02:07 PM (Cus5s)

584 Can't McConnell put Rand, Cruz and the others in hazmat suits and stop this nonsense?? I would, this is insane to hold the country hostage to their ballot fraud, insane green nonsense.

Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at March 23, 2020 02:07 PM (plpo6)

585 Jesus is Trump going to be PISSED at today's presser.

I think he'll be his usual devastating self. The Dems lost the advantage of surprise years ago.

Posted by: t-bird at March 23, 2020 02:07 PM (QrTqV)

586 Yes - 48
No - 46
Posted by: Tami at March 23, 2020 02:06 PM (cF8AT)


One person changed their vote. Who was that?

Posted by: Sponge at March 23, 2020 02:07 PM (Zz0t1)

587 Vendette with the procedural goods, as usual. Has been a few years since I worked in the Senate, and I never had to focus on procedure that much.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 23, 2020 02:07 PM (El6T/)

588 Pelosi's bill will forgive student loan debt, up to $30k per person.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at March 23, 2020 02:07 PM (TLxpZ)

589 President Camacho was a patriot who absolutely, unequivically loved the United States of America. And when he was faced with a crisis that he couldn't handle, he was humble enough to call in the brilliant Not Sure to help solve the problem.

President Camacho is a true American Hero, and I've always hated the persistent urge to compare him to that fucking asshole Chocolate Fonzie.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 23, 2020 02:04 PM (EGyGV)

---

Much better than Morgan Freeman's prezzy in Deep Impact.

Posted by: SMH - Seriously? at March 23, 2020 02:07 PM (RU4sa)

590 Stanford prof on how bad the data is

https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/a-fiasco
-in-the-making-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-
takes-hold-we-are-making-decisions-
without-reliable-data/

Posted by: redc1c4 at March 23, 2020 02:07 PM (vwf8z)

591 So the foresighted statesman Obama, knowing what would happen, protected us from depending on masks that don't work.

OK, I came up with it first. How long until the Bullpatch follows suit?

Posted by: Eeyore at March 23, 2020 02:07 PM (ZbwAu)

592 579 Trump's gonna go fvcking nuclear this afternoon.
Posted by: Guy Smiley at March 23, 2020 02:05 PM (KxVoZ)

One can only hope.

One can also only hope that he brings up the ridiculous pork they're adding instead of doing what's needed for ALL AMERICANS in an immediate fashion.
Posted by: Sponge at March 23, 2020 02:06 PM (Zz0t1)

===========

I'd like to see separate bills, but Congress will never do that again because pork.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at March 23, 2020 02:07 PM (zZbCU)

593 And... if I note that the governors are in charge, well, they are just doing what Trump tells them to do.

Did you bring up the small matter of sanctuary cities and states? Cooperation with ICE?

They're perfectly to defy Trump on those things.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 23, 2020 02:07 PM (YqDXo)

594 We need nuclear Trump now. Both fucking barrels.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at March 23, 2020 02:07 PM (3/G+L)

595 582
You'd be surprised how many of your lefty friends and acquaintances
would sell you down the river when the time came. It's not a pretty
number.

Posted by: ... at March 23, 2020 02:07 PM (jvCdG)
Ah, this is why I have no lefty friends, and keep their acquaintance to a minimum.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at March 23, 2020 02:07 PM (e284m)

596
Schumer: We're close to reaching a deal. We're very close.



It's not a DEAL, you asshole. You have a SIMPLE THING to do. It's
your fucking greedy, corrupt PORK requests that's FUCKING the AMERICAN
PEOPLE.



You need to contract something lethal.

Posted by: Sponge at March 23, 2020 02:03 PM (Zz0t1)

Schumer can fuck himself. I would hope that Trump would be walking away from that particular table now that we know what Pelosi is trying to do.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at March 23, 2020 02:08 PM (nAiE/)

597 Ooops...

Yes - 49
No - 46


Motion not agreed to.

Posted by: Tami at March 23, 2020 02:08 PM (cF8AT)

598 Great column from the one and only Victor Davis Hanson https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2020/03/23/good_news_amidst_media-driven_nihilism_505375.html

Posted by: Don at March 23, 2020 02:08 PM (UPDS7)

599 It's over.
Posted by: Vendette, Turning 29 Once Again at March 23, 2020 01:56 PM (nRNOc)

What's over?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 23, 2020 02:08 PM (WI7YS)

600 588 Pelosi's bill will forgive student loan debt, up to $30k per person.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at March 23, 2020 02:07 PM (TLxpZ)

Wards of the State.

Posted by: tubal at March 23, 2020 02:08 PM (90T4r)

601 I can't compare why this is worse than H1N1, or even if it is. "They" seem to think it is

Look who it seems to prefer to infect. That's what makes this the end of the world.

Posted by: t-bird at March 23, 2020 02:08 PM (QrTqV)

602 Pelosi's bill will forgive student loan debt, up to $30k per person.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at March 23, 2020 02:07 PM (TLxpZ)
.........

Can't think of a quicker way to get rid of coronavirus.

Posted by: wth at March 23, 2020 02:08 PM (v0R5T)

603 It is not a complete con, the way to stop it is the way we are doing it ... we can evaluate cost later, since media helped force us down the path, we kinda have to finish the course. The oil collapse and credit bubble are different issues, but the virus was the pin to pop that, it would seem.


I'm in alignment with you, illiniwek

we're in the middle of the original 15 day thing.

let's see how things look by the end of it.

the more time we can hack this, the more the hospitals etc can prepare for "opening things up"

Posted by: THE_BlackOrchid_STATE! at March 23, 2020 02:08 PM (j9HX3)

604 Nothing but a set-up.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at March 23, 2020 02:08 PM (3/G+L)

605 The correct response is - yes, but not today.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at March 23, 2020 02:06 PM (e284m)

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And not from Covid.

Now having said that. My Mom hits all the high risk factors. All of them. She hits all the high risk factors for every commnuicable disease as well.

If there's a silver lining in this madness, maybe we as a country will stop treating influenza as hayfever.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 23, 2020 02:08 PM (nw6Hr)

606 It's a repeat of yesterday's cloture vote, and is going to have same result, failure. It is cloture on the motion to proceed, which is to limit time on the debate to actually get on the bill that they are going to use as the "vehicle" for the relief legislation. So the Senate is stuck in the "let's debate whether we should consider this bill at all" phase, as in they're stuck at the very beginning.
Posted by: Vendette, Turning 29 Once Again at March 23, 2020 02:05 PM (nRNOc)

OK, that is what I figured, but why have a repeat of vote that was bound to fail again?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 23, 2020 02:08 PM (nRk/c)

607 But LIV liberals will buy it. I just got off the
phone with a friend who hates Trump and says he is a compulsive liar. So
nothing Trump does will ever be correct in his mind. And... if I note
that the governors are in charge, well, they are just doing what Trump
tells them to do. So Trump is always wrong on matter what. Which makes
being friends... difficult.

Posted by: shibumi at March 23, 2020 02:04 PM (ZCiJZ)


Or the LIV co-workers who a couple of weeks ago were clucking that How could Trump put Pence in charge of this? Pence isn't a doctor. So what is he going to do? They really thought it meant he was going to work on the vaccine or treat people

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 23, 2020 02:08 PM (SpbMr)

608 The three quarantined senators would have made no difference. You need 60.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at March 23, 2020 02:09 PM (JRaU+)

609 What time is Trump's presser today?

Posted by: JoeF. at March 23, 2020 02:09 PM (CqE5x)

610
Can't McConnell put Rand, Cruz and the others in hazmat suits and stop
this nonsense?? I would, this is insane to hold the country hostage to
their ballot fraud, insane green nonsense.

Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at March 23, 2020 02:07 PM (plpo6)

This is exactly what he should do... this and going nuclear on their asses and killing cloture for good.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at March 23, 2020 02:09 PM (nAiE/)

611 >Again - trying to imagine what dumb, and utterly irresponsible, political strategery the Dems could possibly be pursuing here.
Posted by: rhomboid



whatever fcuks with Trump, that's what they're going to do
it's absolutely insane how these people are willing to watch everything burn just because Hillary lost to Trump in '16

Posted by: DB- just DB. at March 23, 2020 02:09 PM (iTXRQ)

612 We're all going to die.


..........





The end is near.



Posted by: wth at March 23, 2020 02:05 PM (v0R5T)
The correct response is - yes, but not today.


Posted by: DamnedYankee at March 23, 2020 02:06 PM (e284m)

---
and, you can't kill a man born to hang.

Posted by: redc1c4 at March 23, 2020 02:09 PM (vwf8z)

613 Mitch is righteously pissed off.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 23, 2020 02:09 PM (ZLI7S)

614 I'd like to see separate bills, but Congress will never do that again because pork.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at March 23, 2020 02:07 PM (zZbCU)


We REALLY need the line-item veto, which every President since Washington has wanted.

The good part of such a veto would be that it could only reduce expenditure, not increase it.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 23, 2020 02:09 PM (YqDXo)

615 Pelosi's bill will forgive student loan debt, up to $30k per person.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at March 23, 2020 02:07 PM (TLxpZ)

Wards of the State.
Posted by: tubal at March 23, 2020 02:08 PM (90T4r)


Postpone payments? I wouldn't completely hate that.

Complete forgiveness?

Oh HELLS no.

Posted by: Sponge at March 23, 2020 02:09 PM (Zz0t1)

616
This is weird.

We had shitty weather on the weekend, and all the kids were out and about as normal.

Now, the weather is nice, and the whole neighborhood appears deserted. The girl is out riding her scooter around an abandoned swimming pool like the Omega Woman.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 23, 2020 02:09 PM (II2Y0)

617 Pelosi's bill will forgive student loan debt, up to $30k per person.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at March 23, 2020 02:07 PM (TLxpZ)
.........

Can't think of a quicker way to get rid of coronavirus.
Posted by: wth at March 23, 2020 02:08 PM (v0R5T)

------

WOOOOO HOOOOOO!!!!!!!

FOUND MONEY!!! PARTY AT SPRINGBREAK!!!!!!

Posted by: fixerupper at March 23, 2020 02:09 PM (nw6Hr)

618 I've realized that a friend of mine is a total idiot.

He wants 100% Total Lockdown until this is permanently cured.

This will NEVER be permanently cured.

Posted by: Allie at March 23, 2020 02:09 PM (vmRc0)

619 CMO wrapped up the call - said our company is doing the right things in most respects (yeah, nice qualifier) and to expect more in the coming days. To feel free to call his office with any questions on the latest, and said while there is some optimism in that China has no new cases reported that we may be seeing the end of the beginning.

Asshole quoted Churchill and is taking the Chinese uncritically.

Dick.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, turns out lots of people give a damn! at March 23, 2020 02:09 PM (Ve//x)

620 RACISSSST!

How dare you question the Light Bringer?

Posted by: CitizenX at March 23, 2020 02:09 PM (Cwsh+)

621 Motion not agreed to.
.......

Esteemed colleagues did not reach across the aisle?

Posted by: wth at March 23, 2020 02:09 PM (v0R5T)

622 The three quarantined senators would have made no difference. You need 60.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at March 23, 2020 02:09 PM (JRaU+)

You do not need 60 if 51 vote to change the rules.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at March 23, 2020 02:10 PM (nAiE/)

623 "We must prioritize debt cancellation for the 45 million student loan
borrowers who are struggling to pay off their debt during this difficult
time."

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at March 23, 2020 02:10 PM (TLxpZ)

624 What is required to get the "Line Item Veto" back in place?

Posted by: Horus Hearsay at March 23, 2020 02:10 PM (DB16e)

625 608 The three quarantined senators would have made no difference. You need 60.
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at March 23, 2020 02:09 PM (JRaU+)

Oh. I thought it was 51.

Posted by: tubal at March 23, 2020 02:10 PM (90T4r)

626 Pelosi's bill will forgive student loan debt, up to $30k per person.

I'd give it a like if it tells colleges to forgive that debt. Starve the beast.

Posted by: t-bird at March 23, 2020 02:10 PM (QrTqV)

627 OK, that is what I figured, but why have a repeat of vote that was bound to fail again?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 23, 2020 02:08 PM (nRk/c)

It's both a procedural matter and also a test to see if the Democrats are really that set on holding things up.

Posted by: Vendette, Turning 29 Once Again at March 23, 2020 02:10 PM (nRNOc)

628 When, not IF, we retake the House and Senate, we need to bombard the assholes (yes they are) with a demand they vote to give the President a LINE ITEM VETO.


Posted by: DamnedYankee at March 23, 2020 02:10 PM (e284m)

629 Pelosi's bill will forgive student loan debt, up to $30k per person.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at March 23, 2020 02:07 PM (TLxpZ)
.........

Can't think of a quicker way to get rid of coronavirus.

---------------

Damn, I already made my SL payment this month.

Posted by: SH at March 23, 2020 02:10 PM (sX1BW)

630 >>> Pelosi's bill will forgive student loan debt, up to $30k per person.

To be ammended to $300k.

Posted by: davidt at March 23, 2020 02:10 PM (l3+k2)

631 Dunno about Birx (?), but Fauci is giving out politically-drenched interviews to fawning reporters. And he's complaining that he can't push the president away from the mics, and he can't "correct" the president, etc. If Fauci was focused on the spread of Chinese flu, he'd be declining these sort of "interviews". Eff the MSM and eff political actors. I'd rather have charts comparing COVID 19 to H1N1 with timelines. I'd rather have timeline charts comparing C-19 with previous viral outbreaks including deaths, hospitalizations, and infectious rates. If the President is planning to move towards economic recovery (and the sooner, the better IMHO) then he and the Administration will need to do significant battlefield prep, because the MSM and the Dems will be loaded for bear (more fearmongering). Give Americans the facts on a real-time basis, and that will lower the panic fever considerably.

Posted by: mrp at March 23, 2020 02:10 PM (Pqytn)

632 McConnell up now...

"Senate is in the following position...if anyone of us chooses to object to procedural hurdles, mindless obstruction...it will take us to the end of the week. I'm not sure our dem colleagues understand the position you've put us in. The American people have had enough of this nonsense...they look to us to solve this problem. Treas. secy. keeps going into dems office and the list keeps getting longer and longer. Never let a crisis go to waste."

Posted by: Tami at March 23, 2020 02:10 PM (cF8AT)

633 The correct response is - yes, but not today.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at March 23, 2020 02:06 PM (e284m)


I got an implanted cardiac defibrillator (with pacemaker) installed in January.

Battery life of 10-12 years!

Posted by: jwb7605 at March 23, 2020 02:10 PM (uU9ws)

634 Or the LIV co-workers who a couple of weeks ago were clucking that How could Trump put Pence in charge of this? Pence isn't a doctor. So what is he going to do? They really thought it meant he was going to work on the vaccine or treat people
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 23, 2020 02:08 PM (SpbMr)


They're not LIV, they're LIQ.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 23, 2020 02:10 PM (YqDXo)

635 The three quarantined senators would have made no difference. You need 60.



Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at March 23, 2020 02:09 PM (JRaU+)

You do not need 60 if 51 vote to change the rules.


Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at March 23, 2020 02:10 PM (nAiE/)

And actually you wouldn't even need 51... just a majority of the Senators in the session.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at March 23, 2020 02:11 PM (nAiE/)

636
You'd be surprised how many of your lefty friends and acquaintances would sell you down the river when the time came. It's not a pretty number.
Posted by: ... at March 23, 2020 02:07 PM (jvCdG)





Selling us down the river is kind of a given. The thing that would shock most deplorables is to find out how many of their commie friends and neighbors would take pleasure in picking up a Nagant pistol and shooting them in the back of the neck at the edge of a mass grave.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 23, 2020 02:11 PM (EGyGV)

637 That was H3N2. Deadliest flu impact wise since the Spanish flu. Hospitalized 800,000 people in the US. Killed 80,000. I had it too.

It was SOOOOOO bad ..... we didnt even name that damn mutation or even remind people to wsh their hands. Not a single headline about anywhere either.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 23, 2020 02:00 PM (nw6Hr)


Never knew it had a designator, but based on the timeline, I had it. It was bad but not hospital bad!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 23, 2020 02:11 PM (BiNEL)

638 608 The three quarantined senators would have made no difference. You need 60.
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at March 23, 2020 02:09 PM (JRaU+)

------------

But pressure may have been greater if there was a majority.

Posted by: SH at March 23, 2020 02:11 PM (sX1BW)

639 >>What is required to get the "Line Item Veto" back in place?

Just a constitutional amendment.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 23, 2020 02:11 PM (ZLI7S)

640 I would vote for Macho Comacho.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo. Yes, you. at March 23, 2020 02:11 PM (ifmtJ)

641 632 McConnell up now...

"Senate is in the following position...if anyone of us chooses to object to procedural hurdles, mindless obstruction...it will take us to the end of the week. I'm not sure our dem colleagues understand the position you've put us in. The American people have had enough of this nonsense...they look to us to solve this problem. Treas. secy. keeps going into dems office and the list keeps getting longer and longer. Never let a crisis go to waste."
Posted by: Tami at March 23, 2020 02:10 PM (cF8AT)

==========

Gosh, the fight to replace RBG is going to be so interesting.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at March 23, 2020 02:11 PM (zZbCU)

642 Give me on meep, Vasily. One meep only.....

Posted by: Captain Marko Ramius at March 23, 2020 02:11 PM (vcOmj)

643 447 Well lookie here. The Friday Freakout about Trump calling for a nationwide lockdown today appears to be utter bullshit.

https://tinyurl.com/sclobwu

Love how the Examiner just hand waves away its own reporting with oh they changed their minds.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at March 23, 2020 01:53 PM (mf5HN)



I don't even think their original article qualifies as "sources say" bullshit.

Posted by: Buzzion at March 23, 2020 02:11 PM (mgHet)

644 "in my ear" - dana perino just a moment ago.

and yes, yes i would...

twice.

Posted by: SturmToddler at March 23, 2020 02:11 PM (8D42x)

645 622. I doubt there are 51 senators who want to do away with the legislative filibuster. In any event, that seems unlikely right now. So you need 60.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at March 23, 2020 02:12 PM (JRaU+)

646 I got an implanted cardiac defibrillator (with pacemaker) installed in January.

Battery life of 10-12 years!
Posted by: jwb7605 at March 23, 2020 02:10 PM (uU9ws)


So, the answer is a solar panel mounted to your head or a wind turbine up your ass. You'll live forever.

Posted by: Sponge at March 23, 2020 02:12 PM (Zz0t1)

647 yeah Fauci sucks - I have not liked his mein or his words this entire time

but Trump is stuck with him - he can't fire Fauci. maybe shift him aside for someone else for now?

Posted by: THE_BlackOrchid_STATE! at March 23, 2020 02:12 PM (j9HX3)

648 >What is required to get the "Line Item Veto" back in place?
Posted by: Horus Hearsay


turning the separation of powers doctrine upside down

unless I'm completely wrong

Posted by: DB- just DB. at March 23, 2020 02:12 PM (iTXRQ)

649 623 "We must prioritize debt cancellation for the 45 million student loan
borrowers who are struggling to pay off their debt during this difficult
time."
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at March 23, 2020 02:10 PM (TLxpZ)

Oh FUCK THAT and I say that as someone who has a student loan.

Posted by: Jordan61 at March 23, 2020 02:12 PM (Ez6QX)

650 599 It's over.
Posted by: Vendette, Turning 29 Once Again at March 23, 2020 01:56 PM (nRNOc)

What's over?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke

nothing's over until we say it is.

Posted by: x at March 23, 2020 02:12 PM (nFwvY)

651 Who gives a crap about what happens in Canada?
Posted by: SH

I do, and we have a number of posters who either live there now or did who obviously do.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 23, 2020 02:12 PM (WI7YS)

652 Sponge, that's what I was saying.

I don't see option for Trump but to get specific, and nuclear, over this.

As inherently packed with hazards and log-rolling as is any mega-relief package, the Dems have really broken the envelope here.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 23, 2020 02:12 PM (El6T/)

653 Gosh, the fight to replace RBG is going to be so interesting.


I'm afraid it may involve gunfire

Posted by: THE_BlackOrchid_STATE! at March 23, 2020 02:12 PM (j9HX3)

654 639 >>What is required to get the "Line Item Veto" back in place?

Just a constitutional amendment.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 23, 2020 02:11 PM (ZLI7S)

=========

Hey, have we forgotten about how living the constitution we have?

Trump just needs to do it and then SCOTUS, which is in his pocket I am assured, can just sign off on it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to random thoughts at March 23, 2020 02:12 PM (zZbCU)

655 "people were saying on Twitter two weeks ago. Instead the curve appears to be going downward."

the chart of US deaths was doubling every three days ... a little faster than that after yesterday. the worldometers.info site has the charts. We are at 501 now ... mid last week we were saying "only 61 deaths in the US, why is this a problem?"

Posted by: illiniwek at March 23, 2020 02:13 PM (Cus5s)

656 Watch the video I linked to above, in which a
Stanford MD puts corona virus into its historical context with other
pandemics, including inter alia H1N1.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 23, 2020 02:03 PM (YqDXo)

How far up? sounds very interesting. or can you link again please?

Posted by: Cannibal Slob at March 23, 2020 02:13 PM (7ZMbn)

657 When, not IF, we retake the House and Senate, we
need to bombard the assholes (yes they are) with a demand they vote to
give the President a LINE ITEM VETO.




Posted by: DamnedYankee at March 23, 2020 02:10 PM (e284m)

According to SCOTUS, that is unconstitutional so it would have to be a constitutional amendment.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at March 23, 2020 02:13 PM (nAiE/)

658 How can this possibly go wrong? (warning, annoying autoplay video):

The chief state judge in New Jersey ordered the release of hundreds of inmates in county jails by Tuesday "based on the dangers posed by coronavirus disease 19."

Chief Justice Stuart Rabner of the New Jersey Supreme Court issued the order on Monday after consulting with the state attorney general, County Prosecutors Association, Public Defenders Office and the ACLU of New Jersey.

https://preview.tinyurl.com/rqqucod

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 23, 2020 02:13 PM (KZzsI)

659 623 "We must prioritize debt cancellation for the 45 million student loan
borrowers who are struggling to pay off their debt during this difficult
time."
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at March 23, 2020 02:10 PM (TLxpZ)


Also cancel their college degrees.

Fair is fair.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 23, 2020 02:13 PM (YqDXo)

660 Pelosi is up. I guess she's praying again.

Posted by: ... at March 23, 2020 02:13 PM (jvCdG)

661 Who blew out the margins ? Again ....

Posted by: Yo! at March 23, 2020 02:13 PM (uZuKb)

662 >>Great column from the one and only Victor Davis Hanson



Thanks for the link!

There really are some heroes in this crisis, and it is brining out the good in many, as well as creativity, ingenuity. I want to hear more about this, less MSM gloom and doom that is obsessively focused on #OrangeManBad.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 23, 2020 02:13 PM (bDqIh)

663 Ace is taking this avoid going to work order pretty seriously.

Posted by: SH at March 23, 2020 02:13 PM (sX1BW)

664
What time is Trump's presser today?
Posted by: JoeF.

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5:30 EST

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at March 23, 2020 02:14 PM (G51Gf)

665 According to SCOTUS, that is unconstitutional so it would have to be a constitutional amendment.
Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at March 23, 2020 02:13 PM (nAiE/)


Interesting. Why is it un-Constitutional?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 23, 2020 02:14 PM (YqDXo)

666 >>> 572 I am kind of tired of people trying to claim this is a worse disease than previous FAR MORE DEADLY diseases in the past, because new. Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 23, 2020 02:05


Everything the current generation experiences is the most important instance of that category of thing that has ever occurred throughout all time. Like in junior high so-and-so said something about Jenny Mae and "That's The Worst Thing That's Ever Happened My Life Is Over!!!!". Now everything is that way. Every storm, all weather, getting a job, illness, etc..., apparently, all things are new under the sun.

Posted by: banana Dream at March 23, 2020 02:14 PM (l6b3d)

667 "the LIV co-workers who a couple of weeks ago were clucking that How could Trump put Pence in charge of this?"

Hard core dem at work was snarking about this the other day as well. Then I brought up that DogEaters "Ebola Czar" had "debate prep advisor" listed on his resume. He looks shit up when I call him out and didn't speak to me the rest of the day.

Posted by: Horus Hearsay at March 23, 2020 02:14 PM (DB16e)

668 655 "people were saying on Twitter two weeks ago. Instead the curve appears to be going downward."

the chart of US deaths was doubling every three days ... a little faster than that after yesterday. the worldometers.info site has the charts. We are at 501 now ... mid last week we were saying "only 61 deaths in the US, why is this a problem?"
Posted by: illiniwek at March 23, 2020 02:13 PM (Cus5s)

There's a substantial lag. Like the assumption that infections were going to double every X days where X becomes an increasingly large number over time.

Posted by: Someguy at March 23, 2020 02:14 PM (Zm+LZ)

669 650
599 It's over.

Posted by: Vendette, Turning 29 Once Again at March 23, 2020 01:56 PM (nRNOc)



What's over?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke



nothing's over until we say it is.

Posted by: x at March 23, 2020 02:12 PM (nFwvY)

then can you tell eh fat lady to sing?

Posted by: Cannibal Slob at March 23, 2020 02:14 PM (7ZMbn)

670 649
623 "We must prioritize debt cancellation for the 45 million student loan

borrowers who are struggling to pay off their debt during this difficult

time."

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at March 23, 2020 02:10 PM (TLxpZ)

How about if we suspend the payments on the loan with no penalty till the crisis is passed. Either that or we repossess the freaking degrees.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at March 23, 2020 02:14 PM (e284m)

671 * GIANT WET FART *

@JakeSherman
5m
PROCEDURAL MOTION FAILS AGAIN ... SENATE DEMOCRATS again voted down a procedural motion, 49-46, as they say they are still negotiating with the TRUMP administration over the coronavirus bill

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 23, 2020 02:14 PM (7JECj)

672 I'm just shocked that there was an opportunity to fleece the taxpayer at say, $20 per mask, that someone with connections to the Obama administration or Congressional leadership let slip by.

Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at March 23, 2020 02:14 PM (o3AYq)

673 I'm not a constitutional expert, but the knock on line item veto seems to be that, if the President can just strike items from a bill with a red pencil, then in fact he is legislating. And legislating is the sole responsibility of Congress.


unless I'm wrong

Posted by: DB- just DB. at March 23, 2020 02:14 PM (iTXRQ)

674 Ultimately the Dems want Trump to veto a relief bill, any relief bill, because 'optics'.

Posted by: davidt at March 23, 2020 02:15 PM (l3+k2)

675 the chart of US deaths was doubling every three days ... a little faster than that after yesterday. the worldometers.info site has the charts. We are at 501 now ... mid last week we were saying "only 61 deaths in the US, why is this a problem?"

Dude more people than that die every day from heart disease. The number of deaths per day is declining in the USA and is a tiny, tiny number. Yes every death is a tragedy, and I don't want my mom to die, and all the rest of the obviously unnecessary disclaimers somehow idiots need to hear. But this is not some vast national emergency.

With the chloroquine treatment showing excellent success and huge promise, this is all so frustrating.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 23, 2020 02:15 PM (KZzsI)

676 When, not IF, we retake the House and Senate, we need to bombard the assholes (yes they are) with a demand they vote to give the President a LINE ITEM VETO.

Requires a constitutional amendment unless you can get the Supreme Court to reconsider Clinton v. New York.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at March 23, 2020 02:15 PM (iys0/)

677 665. They called the line items veto a "legislative function."

So, the right judges could just change it again. That is where we are, the constituion only means what 9/350million of us say it does.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at March 23, 2020 02:15 PM (JRaU+)

678 Was, it over when someone did something???

Posted by: Ilhan Omar at March 23, 2020 02:15 PM (jvCdG)

679 LA Dictator Eric Garcetti has shut down all parks, beaches and their parking lots. LAUSD says no possibility of school resumption until after beginning of May at earliest. Meanwhile, your economic future remains in ruins as they bomb the rubble.

Posted by: no one in particular at March 23, 2020 02:15 PM (Jhqq9)

680 I've had to shut off Nextdoor.


The TDS is worse than the threat of the Kung Flu. Jeebus, the rich, old retirees screaming about Trump doing "nothing."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 23, 2020 02:15 PM (ptqGC)

681
I would vote for Macho Comacho.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo. Yes, you. at March 23, 2020 02:11 PM (ifmtJ)

------

Fuck you, cuck.

I'm a Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho man, all the way.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 23, 2020 02:15 PM (II2Y0)

682 I'm home until April 6 after today. Kinda wish the decision had been made earlier, but still.

Probably for the best in my condition. At least I'm getting paid, which takes some worry off.

Posted by: Brother Cavil Tim at March 23, 2020 02:15 PM (OUMaO)

683 What's over?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke


We're the definition of over.

Posted by: Stone Cold Austin & The Rock at March 23, 2020 02:16 PM (DMUuz)

684 But LIV liberals will buy it. I just got off the phone with a friend who hates Trump and says he is a compulsive liar. So nothing Trump does will ever be correct in his mind. And... if I note that the governors are in charge, well, they are just doing what Trump tells them to do. So Trump is always wrong on matter what. Which makes being friends... difficult.
Posted by: shibumi


Was it Terrence?

Just wonderin'.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....menace to society at March 23, 2020 02:16 PM (vcOmj)

685 Who gives a crap about what happens in Canada?
Posted by: SH

If they take off, then America's head would be cold.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 23, 2020 02:16 PM (7JECj)

686 I'm not a constitutional expert, but the knock on line item veto seems to be that, if the President can just strike items from a bill with a red pencil, then in fact he is legislating. And legislating is the sole responsibility of Congress.

---------------

But the issuance of federal regulations that super legislate is perfectly fine.

Posted by: SH at March 23, 2020 02:16 PM (sX1BW)

687 As a veteran of SOF, would China do this intentionally to wreck our economy? I can't say no, because they don't even care bout their own citizens. We've been in a somewhat hot trade war with them as of late. Would they say, "F-U, we'll crater your economy and we don't care who gets hurt, even our own country?" I can see that happening. They don't care who they hurt as long as it keeps their power.


Broken the code, you have.

I know there's a name for it, but what we're being forced to deal with is a mental illness. An addiction more fierce than that of any drug:

The psychological fetish to control the words and actions of other people. And their lives, should these very dangerous individuals ever obtain any type of power. And that control is always negative. All. Ways.

We need to be better at identifying these sick people and make damned good and sure they never get any type of power. Ever. Or else we'll wind up with, um...what we have now in our Congress.

There was a very good reason why our Founders wanted a small and weak federal government and this is it. It's not political, it's psychological.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #CancelChina at March 23, 2020 02:16 PM (HaL55)

688 @mviser 41 seconds ago

BREAKING: Gov. Ralph Northam is ordering schools in Virginia to close down for the remainder of the academic year.

Gulp.

Posted by: Tami at March 23, 2020 02:16 PM (cF8AT)

689
547 >>People will vote with their feet. Look for living in densely populated urban areas to become as popular as the real plague if this gets worse.

They are about to turn the Javits Center in NYC into a makeshift hospital.

I'd say that qualifies as worse.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 23, 2020 02:01 PM (ZLI7S)

----

Throughout history, cities were population sinks. The populations were only sustained by the peasants moving into the cities. Modern sewers, disease control, and clean water changed that.

This is one of those times history rears its ugly head temporarily. Soon things will return to the modern normal.

Posted by: rd at March 23, 2020 02:16 PM (+0uDE)

690 Who blew out the margins ? Again ....

Posted by: Yo! at March 23, 2020 02:13 PM (uZuKb)

Who turned down the damper - AGAIN?



Posted by: The Old Man, Cleveland Street. at March 23, 2020 02:16 PM (gmo/4)

691 I'm not a constitutional expert, but the knock on line item veto seems to be that, if the President can just strike items from a bill with a red pencil, then in fact he is legislating. And legislating is the sole responsibility of Congress.

That is correct. It would require a constitutional amendment and one that while it sounds great in theory I would oppose for that very reason. Better would be a constitutional amendment requiring all legislation be focused on a single narrow topic and that alone, without all this other crap tacked on.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 23, 2020 02:16 PM (KZzsI)

692 Boobs

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo. Yes, you. at March 23, 2020 02:16 PM (ifmtJ)

693 659 623 "We must prioritize debt cancellation for the 45 million student loan
borrowers who are struggling to pay off their debt during this difficult
time."
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at March 23, 2020 02:10 PM (TLxpZ)

Also cancel their college degrees.

Fair is fair.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

and a chargeoff on their credit report. and not eligible for FHA, Fannie, Freddie, or VA mortgages ever. no more bites at the apple.

Posted by: x at March 23, 2020 02:17 PM (nFwvY)

694 Fairfax County Public Schools, and all schools in Virginia, just closed for the rest of the school year by order of Governor Coonman.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, turns out lots of people give a damn! at March 23, 2020 02:17 PM (Ve//x)

695 692 Boobs
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo. Yes, you. at March 23, 2020 02:16 PM (ifmtJ)

Yes, wonderful topic.

Posted by: Someguy at March 23, 2020 02:17 PM (Zm+LZ)

696
Posted by: DamnedYankee at March 23, 2020 02:10 PM (e284m)

According to SCOTUS, that is unconstitutional so it would have to be a constitutional amendment.


Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at March 23, 2020 02:13 PM (nAiE/)
Eh, living document and all that.

Besides SCOTUS also ruled that owning people as farm machinery was acceptable back before the Civil War. I ain't all caught up with the infallibility of Pope SCOTUS.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at March 23, 2020 02:17 PM (e284m)

697 681
I would vote for Macho Comacho.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo. Yes, you. at March 23, 2020 02:11 PM (ifmtJ)

------

Fuck you, cuck.

I'm a Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho man, all the way.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 23, 2020 02:15 PM (II2Y0)

They're...they're the same person....

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo. Yes, you. at March 23, 2020 02:18 PM (ifmtJ)

698 Boobs
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo. Yes, you. at March 23, 2020 02:16 PM (ifmtJ)


mmmmmmm.....boobs.....

Posted by: Sponge at March 23, 2020 02:18 PM (Zz0t1)

699 Oregon's governor just announced a mandatory lockdown of all non-essential businesses. Whether Gamestop will continue to be considered essential or not, who knows.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 23, 2020 02:18 PM (KZzsI)

700 I'm curious what private schools will do - say in VA? would they have to refund tuition?

our little set of private's here are saying april 20 for school to resume

they have to resume - or we WILL demand refunds

we're paying a hell of a lot on top of high property taxes

Posted by: THE_BlackOrchid_STATE! at March 23, 2020 02:18 PM (j9HX3)

701 695
692 Boobs

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo. Yes, you. at March 23, 2020 02:16 PM (ifmtJ)

YEAH! The boob lamp is lit!

If you got em....eh, uh... (types...deletes...types...deletes...deletes....)

Posted by: DamnedYankee at March 23, 2020 02:18 PM (e284m)

702 >>Hard core dem at work was snarking about this the other day as well. Then I brought up that DogEaters "Ebola Czar" had "debate prep advisor" listed on his resume. He looks shit up when I call him out and didn't speak to me the rest of the day.


Pretty sure that same Ebola Czar is now assisting Biden with his shadow coronavirus speeches -- think there's a video of this dude in front of a whiteboard with the pandemic timeline. . . heh.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 23, 2020 02:18 PM (bDqIh)

703 Gosh, the fight to replace RBG is going to be so interesting.


I'm afraid it may involve gunfire
Posted by: THE_BlackOrchid_STATE!


The sound of gunfire
Off in the distance
I'm getting used to it now

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....menace to society at March 23, 2020 02:18 PM (vcOmj)

704 Chris Hoffman Retweeted
KDKA's avatar
KDKA @KDKA
18s
#BREAKING: Gov. Tom Wolf has extended school closures for another two weeks

Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at March 23, 2020 02:18 PM (N54ux)

705

Where does WUHoo go for Spring Break?

Margo LUNGO.

Posted by: saf at March 23, 2020 02:19 PM (5IHGB)

706 687 As a veteran of SOF, would China do this intentionally to wreck our economy? I can't say no, because they don't even care bout their own citizens. We've been in a somewhat hot trade war with them as of late. Would they say, "F-U, we'll crater your economy and we don't care who gets hurt, even our own country?" I can see that happening. They don't care who they hurt as long as it keeps their power.



and also helps alleviate their too many males problem. awfully convenient. old age pensions too. again, convenient.

Posted by: x at March 23, 2020 02:19 PM (nFwvY)

707 A full blown depression is coming.

Posted by: Not Voting Our Way Out Of This at March 23, 2020 02:19 PM (fNWtj)

708 Private schools don't have to follow the order - this is only for public schools in VA.

At least, that's my understanding.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, turns out lots of people give a damn! at March 23, 2020 02:19 PM (Ve//x)

709 Canada - America's Toque.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at March 23, 2020 02:19 PM (KxVoZ)

710 How far up? sounds very interesting. or can you link again please?
Posted by: Cannibal Slob at March 23, 2020 02:13 PM (7ZMbn)
++++++++++++++++++
It's @ 384.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 23, 2020 02:19 PM (e/H31)

711 528 Update on high school buddy.

57 YO. Terribly ill 9 days ago but was at home. Was feeling better by last Monday. Seemed to be recovering.

Started having trouble breathing THU night and was admitted to ICU on oxygen. Was given the malaria drug. Went back home yesterday and seemingly doing better again.

Fingers crossed.
_____________________

There's a story on Fox's site today, about a guy in his 50's in Florida who was sick with the virus, kept getting worse, was hospitalized and put in the ICU. He said he thought he was going to die, was in terrible pain, couldn't breathe, said his goodbyes to his family. Then a friend told him about the cholorquine drug (the anti-viral malaria drug), and how there are reports it has been effective for coronavirus patients.

The guy said he asked his docs for it, and an infectious disease specialist tried to talk him out of taking it! Told him it was untested, there had been no trials on coronavirus patients, it's not approved by FDA, etc., etc., and that he shouldn't risk it. The guy decided, WTF, I'm dying anyway, I may as well give it a try. He took it and now he's out of pain, breathing normally, temperature gone, and he says it's like the virus never happened.

https://preview.tinyurl.com/ur37vsw


Why the hell would a doctor try to talk critical patients out of taking this drug? This seems insane. French and Chinese doctors have reported successfully treating corona patients with the drug. Yes, we haven't had any months-long, drawn-out trials with thousands of patients yet, but for crying out loud, this is an emergency, and there is no reason not to try everything. This drug has worked, and if the patient is willing, it should be offered as an option to them.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at March 23, 2020 02:19 PM (k4dH2)

712
It is like Larry Craig wide.....

Posted by: Yo! at March 23, 2020 02:19 PM (uZuKb)

713 Oregon's governor just announced a mandatory lockdown of all non-essential businesses. Whether Gamestop will continue to be considered essential or not, who knows.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 23, 2020 02:18 PM (KZzsI)


The Gamestop up the street from me is still open.

Posted by: Sponge at March 23, 2020 02:19 PM (Zz0t1)

714 A full blown depression is coming.
Posted by: Not Voting Our Way Out Of This at March 23, 2020 02:19 PM (fNWtj)
*******
Check your Underroos

Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at March 23, 2020 02:20 PM (N54ux)

715 Covering news Virginians can use. ABC stores will remain open. That's great since they just closed schools for the rest of the year.

Posted by: no good deed at March 23, 2020 02:20 PM (MmFTx)

716 >But the issuance of federal regulations that super legislate is perfectly fine.
Posted by: SH


I don't like that either

Posted by: DB- just DB. at March 23, 2020 02:20 PM (iTXRQ)

717 According to SCOTUS, that is unconstitutional so it would have to be a constitutional amendment.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at March 23, 2020 02:13 PM (nAiE/)



Interesting. Why is it un-Constitutional?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 23, 2020 02:14 PM (YqDXo)

According to the 1998 SCOTUS, it violates the "Presentment Clause" of the Constitution.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at March 23, 2020 02:20 PM (nAiE/)

718 Private schools don't have to follow the order - this is only for public schools in VA.

At least, that's my understanding.

---------------

Anyone know of any private school that is currently open? Other than online learning?

Private schools basically follow the publics on these types of matters. I guess some may not.

Posted by: SH at March 23, 2020 02:20 PM (sX1BW)

719 708 Private schools don't have to follow the order - this is only for public schools in VA.


cool ok

yeah wolf just extended our school closure two more weeks but I think at some point our private schools will have the ability to do what they think best? previously he FORCED the privates to do as he was ruling the publics must

that can't really continue tho

he's such a dick

Posted by: THE_BlackOrchid_STATE! at March 23, 2020 02:21 PM (j9HX3)

720 The guy said he asked his docs for it, and an infectious disease specialist tried to talk him out of taking it! Told him it was untested, there had been no trials on coronavirus patients, it's not approved by FDA, etc., etc., and that he shouldn't risk it.

There are at least some physicians who are more afraid of potential side effects and unexpected consequences than they are a patient dying. I have had to talk to several doctors on Twitter about how this SHOULD NOT be used until the usual months of clinical trials, etc and that the studies aren't sufficient to trust.

Which is true... usually. But if someone is dying anyway, why the hell not?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 23, 2020 02:21 PM (KZzsI)

721 Private schools basically follow the publics on these types of matters. I guess some may not.

the main problem would be the transportation

Posted by: THE_BlackOrchid_STATE! at March 23, 2020 02:21 PM (j9HX3)

722 So. Fine. I'll homeschool.

Asshole Coonman

Posted by: WitchDoktor, turns out lots of people give a damn! at March 23, 2020 02:21 PM (Ve//x)

723
heard of a van, loaded with weapons
packed up and ready to go
heard about gravesites, out by the highway
a place where nobody knows

Posted by: DB- just DB. at March 23, 2020 02:22 PM (iTXRQ)

724 "Senate is in the following position...if anyone of us chooses to object
to procedural hurdles, mindless obstruction...it will take us to the
end of the week. I'm not sure our dem colleagues understand the position
you've put us in. The American people have had enough of this
nonsense...they look to us to solve this problem. Treas. secy. keeps
going into dems office and the list keeps getting longer and longer.
Never let a crisis go to waste."

Posted by: Tami at March 23, 2020 02:10 PM (cF8AT)

=====================
Tami, did McConnell really say "dems"?, 'cuz that would be hilarious.

Posted by: mrp at March 23, 2020 02:22 PM (Pqytn)

725 As a veteran of SOF, would China do this intentionally to wreck our economy?

No. Because it destroys theirs, too.

But they would have used it to wreck opposition to their takeover of Hong Kong...

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 23, 2020 02:22 PM (KZzsI)

726 The Dem Governors are taking turns with their shutdowns. Coordinated, steady drip, drip, drip.

Posted by: davidt at March 23, 2020 02:22 PM (l3+k2)

727 nood Democrats

Posted by: banana Dream at March 23, 2020 02:22 PM (l6b3d)

728 A full blown depression is coming.
Posted by: Not Voting Our Way Out Of This at March 23, 2020 02:19 PM (fNWtj)
+++++++++++
A depression, according to my economics textbooks in college, is a -10% move in GNP or GDP or a recession lasting 3 years or more, or both.

I think axing 10% of GDP over this is more than possible. The real rub of it is, "for how long?" If next quarter's print is -15%, then +7% for a couple of quarters, it sucks hugely but it isn't world-ending. If it keeps bouncing around at the new normal and moving, say +/- 1% for several quarters or a couple of years, that's a nightmare scenario.

I suspect a technical depression may well happen, but the time piece is what determines most of the non-immediate pain and that is a total wildcard.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 23, 2020 02:22 PM (e/H31)

729 why are all the governors going maniacal today?

Posted by: THE_BlackOrchid_STATE! at March 23, 2020 02:22 PM (j9HX3)

730 574 568
We're all going to die.


But apparently we're all going to go broke first.

Posted by: jwest at March 23, 2020 02:22 PM (mrrpT)

731 Posted by: TrivialPursuer at March 23, 2020 02:19 PM (k4dH2)

My guess would be liability. Modern America is so sue happy that everything is By The Flowchart. The Flowchart is God.

Don't give it, he lives= Yay we win
Don't give it, he dies= Too bad
Give it, he dies= The lawyers lick their chops. "You gave him an unapproved treatment?!"

Posted by: Vanya at March 23, 2020 02:23 PM (ioTA8)

732
Private schools basically follow the publics on these types of matters. I guess some may not.
Posted by: SH at March 23, 2020 02:20 PM (sX1BW)






Had to do a double-take there. I read that as "follow the pubes".

Because, Moron.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 23, 2020 02:23 PM (EGyGV)

733 730
why are all the governors going maniacal today?

Posted by: THE_BlackOrchid_STATE! at March 23, 2020 02:22 PM (j9HX3)
Petty Tyrants. That's who runs for governor.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at March 23, 2020 02:23 PM (e284m)

734 Interesting that the Democrat's 'student loan forgiveness' never penalizes the schools who charge for worthless degrees or the idiots that incur all the debts.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 23, 2020 02:24 PM (oVJmc)

735 47 Well lookie here. The Friday Freakout about Trump calling for a nationwide lockdown today appears to be utter bullshit.

===
Only source I saw was the Politico, an arm of the democrat party. I suspected it was BS but until the NYT, CNN, or the WAPO confirmed, I was only 98.8% certain that it was BS.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at March 23, 2020 02:24 PM (pw+jk)

736 The PRC certainly didn't have a problem sending hundreds of infected Chinese to Italy and Persia.

Posted by: mrp at March 23, 2020 02:24 PM (Pqytn)

737
heard of a van, loaded with weapons
packed up and ready to go
heard about gravesites, out by the highway
a place where nobody knows
Posted by: DB- just DB. at March 23, 2020 02:22 PM (iTXRQ)







That reminds me, I need to get another jar of peanut butter.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 23, 2020 02:24 PM (EGyGV)

738 Posted by: MIRROR UNIVERSE JOHN ADAMS at March 23, 2020 02:22 PM (Pzzpr)

You tell 'em, you hideous hermaphrodite!

Posted by: Guy Smiley at March 23, 2020 02:24 PM (KxVoZ)

739 700 I'm curious what private schools will do - say in VA? would they have to refund tuition?


My grandkids' catholic school shut down and when asked if there will be refunds all that was heard was laughter.

Posted by: jwest at March 23, 2020 02:24 PM (mrrpT)

740 "Senate is in the following position...if anyone of us chooses to object to procedural hurdles, mindless obstruction...it will take us to the end of the week. I'm not sure our dem colleagues understand the position you've put us in. The American people have had enough of this nonsense...they look to us to solve this problem. Treas. secy. keeps going into dems office and the list keeps getting longer and longer. Never let a crisis go to waste."


Yes they do. And they do this because you are weak, Little Miss Lindsey, and they know it because you do nothing that shows any strength. Like this putrid little twat that you just put out, and the one before it, too.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #CancelChina at March 23, 2020 02:25 PM (HaL55)

741 They can't get rid of The Mr.Trump The President of The Solar System so they want get rid of us.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at March 23, 2020 02:26 PM (A2RfV)

742 Private schools don't have to follow the order - this is only for public schools in VA.



At least, that's my understanding.



---------------



Anyone know of any private school that is currently open? Other than online learning?



Private schools basically follow the publics on these types of matters. I guess some may not.

Posted by: SH at March 23, 2020 02:20 PM (sX1BW)

Private schools still have to follow the no more than 10 people in any space order (or they will even if such orders are unconstitutional) so they are shut down now too.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at March 23, 2020 02:26 PM (nAiE/)

743 Why the hell would a doctor try to talk critical patients out of taking this drug? This seems insane. French and Chinese doctors have reported successfully treating corona patients with the drug. Yes, we haven't had any months-long, drawn-out trials with thousands of patients yet, but for crying out loud, this is an emergency, and there is no reason not to try everything. This drug has worked, and if the patient is willing, it should be offered as an option to them.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer



Effing Doctors. They are all over the map.

Medical science. Phooey!

My own doctor has told me things over the years that I knew were flat out wrong (Shibumi is my main doctor now... ), but they are all insisting they're right, even when they contradict each other.

Yeah, 4 out of 5 dentists agree.....whatever.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....menace to society at March 23, 2020 02:27 PM (vcOmj)

744 why are all the governors going maniacal today?
Posted by: THE_BlackOrchid_STATE! at March 23, 2020 02:22 PM (j9HX3)

Justifying their phony baloney salaries and benfits

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 23, 2020 02:28 PM (nRk/c)

745 why are all the governors going maniacal today?
Posted by: THE_BlackOrchid_STATE!


It's....THAT TIME OF THE MONTH!

Yeah, they all talk to each other. Don't think that they all are doing this on their own.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....menace to society at March 23, 2020 02:28 PM (vcOmj)

746 Well lookie here. The Friday Freakout about Trump calling for a nationwide lockdown today appears to be utter bullshit.

===
Only
source I saw was the Politico, an arm of the democrat party. I
suspected it was BS but until the NYT, CNN, or the WAPO confirmed, I was
only 98.8% certain that it was BS.




Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at March 23, 2020 02:24 PM (pw+jk)

I didnt bother to click through to see what his link was but Instapundit was "reporting" this on Friday.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at March 23, 2020 02:29 PM (nAiE/)

747 LA Dictator Eric Garcetti has shut down all parks, beaches and their parking lots.

Parking lots? Now where are people living in their cars going to park?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 23, 2020 02:30 PM (YqDXo)

748 Insty has been a real disappointment so far. Kind of a surprise. Hope Glenn ups his game.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at March 23, 2020 02:30 PM (KxVoZ)

749 Went to a filipino mkt, used to have multi shelf selections of canned corn beef. I always denounced myself, living in cali the land of plenty of fresh foods, for my craving for this item. Today, one lonesome can of less popular brand. Plenty of liver spread left, chooce of 3 brands!

Posted by: getting the banned back together at March 23, 2020 02:30 PM (SjoZz)

750 whatever the likes of Pelosi does to petition entities beyond the stars, is the correct word "praying"? or is it "invoking".

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at March 23, 2020 02:30 PM (e1zO+)

751 They were always manicall, didn't you get the smoke signal memo?

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at March 23, 2020 02:32 PM (A2RfV)

752 German Chancellor Angela Merkel introduced a string of new emergency guidelines, banning public gatherings of more than two people, in an attempt to slow the spread of coronavirus.

So kinda a Shophie's Choice thing? Germans are pros at that

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 23, 2020 02:32 PM (nRk/c)

753 There are at least some physicians who are more afraid of potential side effects and unexpected consequences than they are a patient dying. I have had to talk to several doctors on Twitter about how this SHOULD NOT be used until the usual months of clinical trials, etc and that the studies aren't sufficient to trust.

Which is true... usually. But if someone is dying anyway, why the hell not?
_________________

Exactly. I understand that the docs are scared of being sued, but this is not the time for that kind of crap. Have the patients and their next of kin sign liability waivers. Spell out all the risks, known and unknown, and let the patient and/or family decide if it's worth it. Every drug has side effects, and not all drugs work as intended on all patients. But this is the best option we have right now, and patients should be given the choice to take it, or not. Especially if they're dying.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at March 23, 2020 02:33 PM (k4dH2)

754 Tami, did McConnell really say "dems"?, 'cuz that would be hilarious.

Posted by: mrp at March 23, 2020 02:22 PM (Pqytn)

No, I was trying to type as he was speaking and shortened words when I could.

Posted by: Tami at March 23, 2020 02:34 PM (cF8AT)

755 Boobs
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo. Yes, you. at March 23, 2020 02:16 PM (ifmtJ)



You rang?

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at March 23, 2020 02:38 PM (mf5HN)

756 " The number of deaths per day is declining in the USA and is a tiny, tiny number." C Taylor

dude ... that is not true, I gave you the stats and link ... we are at 504 now, the rate is still accelerating ... double every 3 days still. it was 60 last Monday.

Posted by: illiniwek at March 23, 2020 02:38 PM (Cus5s)

757

Yes 51 No 49 My and wife's vote for sex.


I'm no Nancy Boy.

Posted by: saf at March 23, 2020 02:43 PM (5IHGB)

758 This is a solid critique of the Obama admin. I'm a liberal and I have no problem being critical of democrats. Communism is bad and never worked. Trans women are not actually women. etc. etc.

And since this outbreak occurred within minutes of Trump being inaugurated, what could he do?

He's a very stable genius, but he's not clairvoyant.

It takes YEARS to order masks and Trump has only had - checks Google - oh.

STOP POLITICIZING THIS

It doesn't matter that this started in China. Calling it a Chinese virus is dumb and unhelpful. SARS was also from china so you aren't even narrowing down what you are talking about. But where did MERS start? Who cares (first discovered in Saudi Arabia). Where did H1N1 start? Who cares (first in the US).

We don't assign diseases to countries because it doesn't matter. The Spanish Flu didn't even originate there. (likely France or England) Where did measles start? (Persia maybe) What about HIV? (Congo) What about Small Pox? (Egypt?)

The place of origin of a disease is literally the least useful thing you would want to know about it.

Does it help to know that Gonorrhea dates to biblical times? No. It helps that it can be killed by antibiotics.
It helps to know the symptoms and means of transmission. No reason to point fingers at anyone.


Posted by: Seattle Slough at March 23, 2020 02:45 PM (luSNd)

759 Maryland Governor is requesting an additional 6,000 hospital beds be made available for a surge expected in the next few weeks. But only 44 new cases were found yesterday with 288 total. This thing only takes a few days to incubate so shouldn't the 15 days of social distancing make such a surge two weeks from now very unlikely?

Posted by: Serious Cat at March 23, 2020 02:45 PM (zqs/f)

760 Posted by: Seattle Slough at March 23, 2020 02:45 PM



It DOES MATTER where it came from and that they lied and hid it and that the WHO was in bed with the communists. IT DOES MATTER.

We have to have OUR OWN PHARMACEUTICAL manufacturing, we have to have our own MEDICAL SUPPLY INDUSTRY unhampered by Obamacare taxes on medical devices.

We cannot be victims of the CHINESE COMMUNISTS because leftists like communists and hate us.

Posted by: dagny at March 23, 2020 02:56 PM (nRWPy)

761 Dagny, the chinese tried to downplay this until it was too late. Our president (and this very fucking website) did exactly the same thing.

Every disease I listed started somewhere and spread across the globe. That's what diseases do. While slow to respond, China went at this thing hard and showed the world how it can be stopped. We aren't doing what they did yet. What they did is shut everything down. Test everyone. Segregate all the sick.

We have freedom here which in this case means freedom to keep this disease going which we will.

Passing blame is pointless.

All that matters is what we do to protect ourselves.

Pointing fingers at Obama for not restocking masks when this administration had plenty of time to do that themselves is the height of hypocrisy.

Stop it.

Posted by: Seattle Slough at March 23, 2020 03:05 PM (luSNd)

762 The latest data compiled by scientists traces the "Spanish" flu to northern China as its place of origin. Chinese laborers hired by UK and France (to make up for manpower shortage during WWI) brought the virus to North America and Europe. These laborers were taken from China to Canada and from there to Europe. Chinese sensibilities notwithstanding.

Posted by: Floridachick at March 23, 2020 03:11 PM (aSAk4)

763 The point of origin and the reason it happens matters especially when pandemics keep coming from China.

Posted by: Floridachick at March 23, 2020 03:12 PM (aSAk4)

764 Looking at Italy and Iran though....China is lying.
Posted by: 18-1 at March 23, 2020 01:34 PM (WdocV)

-----

Nah.

I dont know about Iran.... but....

Italy historically has as man flu deaths as the US does at a fifth of the population.

Im betting that it has more to do with the highest percentage of old folks in the EU, extended nuclear families living under the same roof and a culture of huggy huggy kissy kissy has more to do with it than CHinese dishonesty.
Posted by: fixerupper at March 23, 2020 01:40 PM (nw6Hr)

Reports are China, once it realized the scope of the issue, totally locked down travel and then blitzed the region with medical supports like respirators.

Italy did little or no lockdown until too late, and it had no reserve respirators once the whole country was affected and the EU gave ZERO medical support. It would be the same if the US told Washington State we would let them die.

The EU is an evil empire and must be destroyed.

Posted by: Oldcat at March 23, 2020 03:14 PM (eoQWY)

765 Haven't seen any flaming skulls for awhile.
Sup with that?

Posted by: Cluebat at March 23, 2020 03:17 PM (S8ld5)

766 The place of origin of a disease is literally the least useful thing you would want to know about it.


Posted by: Seattle Slough at March 23, 2020 02:45 PM (luSNd)

Oh bullshit. The origin is important when you want to limit the spread of the contagion. Now the secondary locus' in Italy, and the EU, and even the US means it is proper to limit travel from us to any unaffected area.

We are mad at the Chinese Commies because they lied about the disease for months and many will die to save their pride. Not that a disease itself originated there.

Posted by: Oldcat at March 23, 2020 03:18 PM (eoQWY)

767 This juicy bit of red meat definitely merits a flaming-skull herald.

Posted by: Cluebat at March 23, 2020 03:18 PM (S8ld5)

768 You'd be surprised how many of your lefty friends and acquaintances would sell you down the river when the time came. It's not a pretty number.
Posted by: ... at March 23, 2020 02:07 PM (jvCdG)





Selling us down the river is kind of a given. The thing that would shock most deplorables is to find out how many of their commie friends and neighbors would take pleasure in picking up a Nagant pistol and shooting them in the back of the neck at the edge of a mass grave.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 23, 2020 02:11 PM (EGyGV)

Nazism flourished in the most enlightened part of Europe, not the least.

Posted by: Oldcat at March 23, 2020 03:25 PM (eoQWY)

769 The recommended ventilator purchases would have expensive - about half a billion dollars. I am sure there were things they would rather spend the money on...
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 23, 2020 01:57 PM (e/H31)

Right, buying votes and an solar panels
Posted by: CN at March 23, 2020 02:01 PM (ONvIw)

Like the fucking federal government ever makes a decision based on economy and the deficit. They could have loaded their crap on another bill and refunded this with an emergency bill and nobody in the nation would have said boo.

They just didn't give a shit, and nobody responsible even leaked it to the press.

Posted by: Oldcat at March 23, 2020 03:28 PM (eoQWY)

770 Stop it.
Posted by: Seattle Slough at March 23, 2020 03:05 PM (luSNd)


No, you leftist tool. Your idol fucked up the response to H1N1, 17000 died. He didn't replenish masks and was told to. Obamacare drove all the medical device manufacturing off shore AND THE CHINES COMMUNISTS CREATED THIS DISASTER.


You stop it.

Get a fucking clue.

Posted by: dagny at March 23, 2020 04:20 PM (nRWPy)

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