Is It Time to #CancelChina?

The American Interest:

Amidst the 24/7 breathless media coverage and calls for politicians to "do something," one fundamental question still needs to be addressed forthrightly and in the open: Who did this to us and what to do to prevent it from happening again?

The question about assigning agency and blame is pretty straightforward to answer: The communist Chinese state, which for more than three decades has been draining capital and knowledge from the West, benefiting from our greed and myopia, has just let loose a virus that in the coming months is about to effectively paralyze Europe and the United States and bring severe pain, both human and economic on the world....

As a result of all this, the West is now shutting down, at least for a while. The ultimate cost to the world, in terms of new government debt, failed businesses, and human lives and suffering, is difficult to quantify at this point. But there are indications that the fallout from the Wuhan Virus could be transformative.

We must acknowledge our own complicity in what is now unfolding. The belief that globalization, through the radical centralization of market networks, was the unavoidable path forward has been exposed as a grave, near-delusional miscalculation. The offshoring by corporations of supply chains to China has not only eviscerated communities that were previously reliant on manufacturing jobs, but has also brought with it an unprecedented level of vulnerability and fragility to our economies. The populist revolts that have wracked Western democracies for the past several years are in part rooted in the pain that these dislocations have caused. Worse yet, for the past three decades, this offshoring process has favored an adversary that is determined to replace us as the hub of global economic and military power and place itself at the new normative center of the world.

Bonchie at RedState notes that some former Free Trade Above All Else corporate pseudoconservatives are rethinking the terrible deal we made to ship most of our manufacturing base to a hostile communist power.

Which turns out to be the cradle of apocalyptic plagues, to boot.

We cannot continue to pretend that free trade with China has no consequences, as has been the typical fall back on the right. Perhaps we are reaching an inflection point, though? I’m seeing more and more conservatives who originally scoffed at taking on China economically softening to the idea of getting tough with the Communists.

The truth is, claims that the trade war "only hurts the U.S." have always been completely false. Yes, trade wars have financial costs for both sides, but there’s no doubt China has taken the brunt of the damage so far. The inability to admit that has been a frustrating point of contention in discussions on the matter because it supposes that we simply punt on the leverage we’ve gained.

Things have escalated though, with the questions of how to proceed no longer just centering around China going after the NBA last year, which is where you started to see some breaks in the conventional wisdom form. We face a world-wide pandemic of Wuhan coronavirus due to the lying and incompetence of the Chinese, a country that we’ve wrapped so much of our well being into with little care for the long term consequences.

China-skeptical conservatives, despite being previously berated by many on their own side, were right all along.

Buh buh buh you can get dog food fifty cents cheaper! (Even thought it might contain hazardous chemicals.)

Buh buh buh I can buy a yard umbrella at WalMart for $30 less than I used to pay! (Even though we had to wipe out our domestic furniture production for that savings.)

The people primarily enriched by the China trade turn out to be, surprisingly enough, the corporate interests paying the salaries of the China Lobby.

Time to cancel these Corporate Welfare Dependents, too.

Posted by: Ace at 07:44 PM




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1 Yes!

Next question.

Posted by: Tonypete at March 18, 2020 07:44 PM (Y4EXg)

2 Yes it is

Posted by: Bruce at March 18, 2020 07:44 PM (vd8XM)

3 I nooded.

And I'm glad I did.

Posted by: Tonypete at March 18, 2020 07:44 PM (Y4EXg)

4 It's time for us to practice "social distancing" from China.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 18, 2020 07:45 PM (I2/tG)

5 Way past time to cut them off.

Posted by: AZ deplorably isolated at March 18, 2020 07:46 PM (kp35W)

6 Yes. Treat them like the rival great power they are.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Is Sponsoring Methcalibur - The Musical!! at March 18, 2020 07:46 PM (qobvn)

7 way past time

Posted by: Murrican Ninja War Eeyore at March 18, 2020 07:46 PM (xptlg)

8 it's time to make china great......support the freedom fighters

Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 18, 2020 07:46 PM (0O7c5)

9 they need to be treated like the pariahs that they are.

Posted by: IC at March 18, 2020 07:46 PM (sYDum)

10 Well, FUCKING OBVIOUSLY.

Even if the Chinese government was the nicest on Earth, which they aren't, the Dems have tied themselves to the Chicoms, at a time when this country hates China more than at any point since Taiwan had their UN seat.

The bastards are drowning, Mr. President. Huck an anvil at them.

Posted by: trev006 at March 18, 2020 07:46 PM (mSjr7)

11 So, according to the Chinese, basically the entire world is shut down - except for China.

Funny how that works, isn't it?

Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 18, 2020 07:47 PM (I2/tG)

12 How about just start making our own things we need here.

Posted by: Skip at March 18, 2020 07:47 PM (ZCEU2)

13 Cancel China, number-one penalty play.

Posted by: Zod at March 18, 2020 07:47 PM (ZS9TG)

14 But will China cancel us?

I'm thinking there are lots of Chinese pesos being flooded into our falling markets, buying up all sorts of stock here and there. When we finally decide we don't want China around anymore, we may find there's more of "us" already owned by them than we can possibly imagine.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 18, 2020 07:47 PM (hku12)

15 Cancel our debts with them. Paid in f*cking full.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - everyone has gone bat soup crazy at March 18, 2020 07:47 PM (41rs/)

16 It's time for us to practice "social distancing" from China.
Posted by: The ARC of History!

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5500 miles or so does it for me!

Posted by: Tonypete at March 18, 2020 07:47 PM (Y4EXg)

17

I've been thinking about this for the last hour and I'm very angry at China.

The sheer and utter inhumanity of it all.
Even if it wasn't intentional, China knew, they knew what was going on and they unleashed it upon the World.

What animals. They are less than human. Savages.

China is guilty of a very long list of inhumane acts, this being the latest.

They must not get away with this. If we let China get away with this, they'll do it again and perhaps 1000X worse.

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a gentle glide applicator tip at March 18, 2020 07:47 PM (JgW3r)

18 Cut off all connections to China. No students, trade reps, military exchange, flu, tourists. Nothing and they will like it.

Posted by: Embarrassing Stain at March 18, 2020 07:47 PM (KzbZl)

19 Duh?

Single point of failure.

All eggs in one basket.

What could go wrong? Plenty.

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 18, 2020 07:47 PM (dBLQN)

20 👍

Posted by: runner at March 18, 2020 07:48 PM (zr5Kq)

21 I'd say that when 90 plus percent of your antibiotics and viral masks come from a country that is routinely the epicenter of viral outbreaks, i'd say yeah, you need to cancel China and bring it back home.


In fact going forward any politician who does not have as one of his central planks, the decoupling of the US economy from China, then that politician should get zero consideration.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at March 18, 2020 07:48 PM (FVrDO)

22 They are our enemy and have acted as such.

We have just shrugged and been worried about being called racist.

I think the time is right to treat the PRC as our # 1 enemy and start kickin their yellow asses.

Posted by: Czech Chick at March 18, 2020 07:48 PM (haWye)

23 Joseph A. Bank Tuesday dress shirt sale ("Buy One, Get Fifteen Free!") hardest hit.

Posted by: Zod at March 18, 2020 07:48 PM (ZS9TG)

24 12 Like drugs, and medical supplies

Posted by: Skip at March 18, 2020 07:48 PM (ZCEU2)

25 Bold strategy Cotton! Let's see how it works out for em.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at March 18, 2020 07:48 PM (2B9A/)

26 I also suspect this is a really good time to buy non FFL AR parts for resale.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - everyone has gone bat soup crazy at March 18, 2020 07:48 PM (41rs/)

27 China-skeptical conservatives, despite being previously berated by many on their own side, were right all along.

--

Kinda funny how often that happens on a variety of topics.

Posted by: Lady in Black at March 18, 2020 07:49 PM (JoUsr)

28 This should be the wake up call to bring factories and jobs back here.
Fvck China. Kick them out of the WTO and Most favored nation slots.
Cut back or eliminate Chinese students here.
The threat to cut off supplies of medications alone is very nearly an act of war.

Posted by: Winston a dreg of society at March 18, 2020 07:49 PM (TYQsd)

29 The 1.something trillion of debt - we need it to cover expense of market collapse and other modalities. Ciao.

Posted by: runner at March 18, 2020 07:49 PM (zr5Kq)

30 So, turn out that Buchanan and Perot and others were right to be sceptical of "Free Trade".

Posted by: Murrican Ninja War Eeyore at March 18, 2020 07:49 PM (xptlg)

31 But think of the money our betters made!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 18, 2020 07:49 PM (BiNEL)

32 CANCEL ALL THE THINGS!

Posted by: Wuhan Bat Soup Death Plague Terrapin Andii Who Also Herds Hamsters at March 18, 2020 07:49 PM (MqQvv)

33 The Soviet Union covered up and lied about Chernobyl but, to the best of my knowledge, they never tried to blame the US for it. China, though, is taking that extra step and attempting to damage an already suffering U.S.

This is a completely unnecessary assault. If that doesn't get people to change their minds about America's relationship with China then they're either anti-American, stupid, paid-off by China or some combination of the three.

Posted by: 29victor at March 18, 2020 07:50 PM (BJKQV)

34 Screw china to the wall

At least that is how I feel

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 18, 2020 07:50 PM (4oBGV)

35 Yes!

Posted by: Bosk at March 18, 2020 07:50 PM (9m9TT)

36 Finished building my super computer, parts almost all from China, the chip (AMD) from Malaysia. No USA parts!

Posted by: Colin at March 18, 2020 07:50 PM (+ME2/)

37 Food and especially drugs should be banned from import.

Cheap shit shoes and other crap, I don't care about....

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 18, 2020 07:50 PM (CjFDo)

38 1972 was a mistake.

Posted by: it begins... at March 18, 2020 07:50 PM (a5D9R)

39 And Trump is the right man at the right time for this. Funny how that happens - the times and the man come together.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Is Sponsoring Methcalibur - The Musical!! at March 18, 2020 07:50 PM (qobvn)

40 I'd love to see our relationship with China change as a result of this, but I doubt it will. Our political class has been in love with China for a long, long time - ever since they were advocating that most-favored-nation trade status would be the way to defeat communism. Which was what? The early 90s? And that's had a corrupting influence throughout American society. Hollyweird is devoted to not offending the Chinese. As is the NBA. Lots of universities have foreign-student income to protect. Lots and lots of influential companies and organizations are carrying water for the Chinese at this point.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at March 18, 2020 07:50 PM (H5knJ)

41 China should be shunned, a pariah among nations.

Posted by: JuJuBee at March 18, 2020 07:51 PM (COzlW)

42 You're going to see a lot of the #MuhFreeTrade simps (which has a massive overlap with the Con Inc/NeverTrump crowd) pretending that they've always been on the Cancel China train and DRUMPF should've called for action against China sooner.

Jay Caruso's been putting on the nationalist version of minstrel show for Twitter the last 24 hours or so. Ben Shapiro's been squeaking CHINA BAD, instead of doing a 'Good China/Bad China' bit.

Don't worry though, Scott Linicome is still guzzling that CCP dick, trying to imply that Trump's tarriffs were responsible for the outbreak.

Posted by: El Kabong at March 18, 2020 07:51 PM (datdl)

43 That China Virus is hatespeech is insane.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at March 18, 2020 07:51 PM (PUmDY)

44 And I'm glad I did.

Posted by: Tonypete at March 18, 2020 07:44 PM (Y4EXg)


And thank you for that!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 18, 2020 07:51 PM (BiNEL)

45 What about those videos allegedly showing people collapsing in heaps by the dozens on the streets of China? Have we seen anything akin to that in other countries?

Posted by: Muldoon at March 18, 2020 07:51 PM (m45I2)

46 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge at March 18, 2020 07:51 PM (Zz0t1)

47 My dad was in Academia at the tail end of his career. His school wanted to open a satellite location in China which would house a business program.

In negotiations, the Chinese side wanted to buy one book, one time for each course, pay one teacher's salary for one course period, and own all intellectual property rights of every course after it was taught once.

After that, they would print copies of that book, paying zero money to the University, all proceeds went to them. They would install their own teacher. They would teach the course, again, with zero proceeds going to the University.

The University was seriously considering this ridiculous offer, because they wanted their Satellite in China so they could feel really International and shit.

Posted by: bonhomme at March 18, 2020 07:51 PM (9t0Zz)

48 No Chinese allowed in our country for at least ten years.

Posted by: four seasons at March 18, 2020 07:51 PM (PisyI)

49 >>> way past time

This

Posted by: fluffy at March 18, 2020 07:52 PM (Tyv3Z)

50 Yes, to answer your question.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy's new band is called The Sniveling Progressives at March 18, 2020 07:52 PM (HaL55)

51 hiya

Posted by: JT at March 18, 2020 07:52 PM (arJlL)

52
China is more of a scourge on this planet than muslims. Can't believe I'm saying that.

China is not merely an abuser of Human Rights; they're not even on the scale for behavior for human rights.
China is poisoning this World with disease and pollution on a massive scale.

If the Media wants to hitch their wagon to China, then they too will be considered co-conspirators.

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a gentle glide applicator tip at March 18, 2020 07:52 PM (JgW3r)

53 Can we add India as well?

Posted by: it begins... at March 18, 2020 07:52 PM (a5D9R)

54 15 Cancel our debts with them. Paid in f*cking full.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - everyone has gone bat soup crazy at March 18, 2020 07:47 PM (41rs/)

Yes. Like a war indemnity. Calculate how much China's deliberate actions and inactions cost different countries and then allow each country to cancel that amount of debt to China.

Posted by: 29victor at March 18, 2020 07:52 PM (BJKQV)

55 I have been critical of China since about the time they were shooting 1,000s people craving liberty in Tiananmen Square.

Before that it was mostly about the food.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at March 18, 2020 07:52 PM (EZebt)

56 Is It Time to #CancelChina?

FUCK YES.

Bring EVERYTHING back. Tariffs on companies that build their shit over there.

Time to be independent of them fucktards. They're EVIL and will NEVER CHANGE.

Posted by: Sponge at March 18, 2020 07:52 PM (Zz0t1)

57 China-skeptical conservatives, despite being previously berated by many on their own side, were right all along.

The most notable example being, of course, Trump.

Posted by: GnuBreed at March 18, 2020 07:52 PM (XF4b8)

58 I'm hoping this really scared a lot of free trade soyboys straight. Enough of this shit.

Posted by: Two Weeks From Being Made in China at March 18, 2020 07:52 PM (+dsLj)

59 Banning Chinese students from universities here has the knock on benefit of hurting those same universities.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 18, 2020 07:52 PM (j3npP)

60 Just got an email from Home Depot.

Stores will now close at 6pm, instead of 10pm.


I'm sure that won't have disastrous effects on it's bottom line.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at March 18, 2020 07:52 PM (FVrDO)

61 A few steps:

1) Cut the number of Chinese students studying in American universities by 95%.

2) Ban admission to the United States for Chinese Communist Party members and their families, except for official business.

3) Enforce the Foreign Agents Registration Act. People and organizations receiving money from the Chinese government (directly or indirectly) to espouse Chinese positions have to register as foreign agents. This includes the New York Times and Washington Post, who regularly take money from the Chinese government to run special advertising sections.

4)...

Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 18, 2020 07:52 PM (I2/tG)

62 The only solution to this is to elect an old man who was part of the team that kept us safely stagnant and unemployed while the feds dumped $80B/month into the economy to allow them to tread water.

We can't risk success!

Posted by: Moron Robbie - everyone has gone bat soup crazy at March 18, 2020 07:52 PM (41rs/)

63 What about those videos allegedly showing people collapsing in heaps by the dozens on the streets of China? Have we seen anything akin to that in other countries?
Posted by: Muldoon at March 18, 2020 07:51 PM (m45I2)

It does seem that's all but forgotten, disappeared down the memory hole.

Posted by: one of the quiet ones at March 18, 2020 07:53 PM (2GPSc)

64 38 1972 was a mistake.
Posted by: it begins... at March 18, 2020 07:50 PM (a5D9R)

Wasn't most the '70s a mistake though?

Posted by: 29victor at March 18, 2020 07:53 PM (BJKQV)

65 China should be shunned, a pariah among nations.

Posted by: JuJuBee at March 18, 2020 07:51 PM (COzlW)


Yes. Once this shit passes China must pay a heavy price for what has inflicted on the world. I know that Trump will pull the trigger on something like that but the pussies in Europe and Canada will go back to China on their knees once it's over

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 18, 2020 07:53 PM (ENSZ9)

66 And yet, The Chamber of Commerce, who has supported this march into the globalism abyss, which has incidentally hurt many in the communities they allege to serve, came out yesterday against a new "Buy American" campaign.

Posted by: Hesco Gypsy, staring from 457 meters at March 18, 2020 07:53 PM (bGY3H)

67 Libertarians.

Posted by: nip at March 18, 2020 07:53 PM (cpS4u)

68 >>>the corporate interests paying the salaries of the China Lobby.

I wouldn't want to be these people right now.


And some troll made the point, if it can be called that, that Trump is in danger from GDP contraction due to Chinese Flu.


Fortuitously, dems chose the guy on the Chinese dole who says whatever his masters want him to say.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at March 18, 2020 07:53 PM (1CjJc)

69 Before Wuhan virus, I was actually very unaware of how much the USA relied on China for our medicines. It's been extremely eye-opening and downright terrifying knowing so much of our pharmaceuticals come from this Communist country. I had no clue...and this must change immediately. Our politicians have to be the stupidest people on earth for putting us in peril like that.

Posted by: Lady in Black at March 18, 2020 07:53 PM (JoUsr)

70 RORGF, China

Posted by: josephistan at March 18, 2020 07:53 PM (Izzlo)

71 More of this please

Posted by: Inogame at March 18, 2020 07:53 PM (+2xjH)

72 Been saying for two weeks even if the Chinese didn't purposely make this virus they did nothing to stop it from getting out.

Posted by: Skip at March 18, 2020 07:53 PM (ZCEU2)

73 I wish buying USA was still a thing. I think it's not because people want the shiny new electronic gadget especially the young and there isn't an option for that here. But if there was, I'd pay more. Probably a lot more. 50% above current costs.

When I buy tools USA is always better than crumbling harbor freight crap. Our electronics could be that much better but I have no idea how to get from zero to an electronics industry here. Tech company leaders that weren't USA hating leftist oligarchs would probably be a good start.

Posted by: banana Dream at March 18, 2020 07:53 PM (l6b3d)

74 Does anybody read Ben Shapiro's tweets and listen to his radio show who aren't paid to do so?

Posted by: it begins... at March 18, 2020 07:53 PM (a5D9R)

75 I'm thinking there are lots of Chinese pesos being flooded into our falling markets, buying up all sorts of stock here and there. When we finally decide we don't want China around anymore, we may find there's more of "us" already owned by them than we can possibly imagine.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 18, 2020 07:47 PM (hku12)

If the US despises China as much as I think it will by the end, those properties will be expropriated without compensation. Any American corporations with gear left in China will write them off as a loss. Given how badly America's very mild economic warfare affected their country, sanctions would absolutely destroy them. And any country that continued to trade with China would find themselves facing equal American hostility, as well as outraged citizens fearing a new bat plague.

Posted by: trev006 at March 18, 2020 07:54 PM (mSjr7)

76 Thanks to China the Deerfield, Michigan, Testicle Festival has been cancelled!

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Is Sponsoring Methcalibur - The Musical!! at March 18, 2020 07:54 PM (qobvn)

77 What about those videos allegedly showing people collapsing in heaps by the dozens on the streets of China? Have we seen anything akin to that in other countries?

Iran.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 18, 2020 07:54 PM (I2/tG)

78 I'd love to know how much money the Clinton Global Initiative Crime Syndicate got for giving China that Most Favored Nation trade designation!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 18, 2020 07:54 PM (BiNEL)

79 We have always been at war with EastAsia.

Posted by: BB at March 18, 2020 07:54 PM (l3+k2)

80 Cill your communist Chinese enemies.
Cill your communist Chinese enemies.
c-i-l-l Cill your communist Chinese enemies.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at March 18, 2020 07:54 PM (pw+jk)

81 I'm hoping the fortuitous result of Trump being President is a sign of the decoupling soon coming to pass. Trump was literally the ONLY candidate who was willing to go toe to toe with China

Posted by: Two Weeks From Being Made in China at March 18, 2020 07:54 PM (+dsLj)

82 Posted by: Thomas Bender at March 18, 2020 07:52 PM (FVrDO)

Might just be your area - mine is still open til 10

Posted by: batterup at March 18, 2020 07:54 PM (K4I9O)

83 The quicker China devolves into civil war like the 1920's and 1930's the quicker we can get cheap opium, weapons of sketchy origin, cheap whores and chinese food dishes named after commie killing Generals.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 18, 2020 07:54 PM (Z+IKu)

84 Colin

Ryzen7?

I'm speccing a new PC for work.

Ryzen5 at home boots in u seconds!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 18, 2020 07:55 PM (CjFDo)

85 Takes everyone's mind off Hong Kong, I guess.

Posted by: BignJames at March 18, 2020 07:55 PM (X/Pw5)

86 Amidst the 24/7 breathless media coverage and calls for politicians to "do something," one fundamental question still needs to be addressed forthrightly and in the open: Who did this to us and what to do to prevent it from happening again?

I find this attitude baffling. I mean, beyond the fact that the search for scapegoats doesn't usually happen until the crisis is past. Why assume someone did this to us? Sometimes shit happens.

Posted by: Ace's liver at March 18, 2020 07:55 PM (wGeit)

87 >>>74 Does anybody read Ben Shapiro's tweets and listen to his radio show who aren't paid to do so?

The guy has an audience. I have no idea why, but he's very popular with...some group of people.

My theory; boomers who think Ben's what all the hip young kids are into.

Posted by: El Kabong at March 18, 2020 07:55 PM (datdl)

88 >>Banning Chinese students from universities here has the knock on benefit of hurting those same universities.

And possibly forcing those universities to start teaching courses that are more aligned with American and western values.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 18, 2020 07:55 PM (ZLI7S)

89 Alrighty, folks, let's all take a step back, take a deep breath, and calm our chesticles, by listening to the voice of decades of reason and experience when it comes to matter sino-soydal:

"I urge President Trump and President Xi to calm tensions between our countries and allow Americans journalists to remain in China. Open and clear lines of communication, including a free press, are vital to the relationship between our two countries."

-- Senator Dianne Feinstein (@SenFeinstein) March 18, 2020

Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 18, 2020 07:55 PM (DMUuz)

90 17

I've been thinking about this for the last hour and I'm very angry at China.

The sheer and utter inhumanity of it all.
Even if it wasn't intentional, China knew, they knew what was going on and they unleashed it upon the World.

What animals. They are less than human. Savages.

China is guilty of a very long list of inhumane acts, this being the latest.

They must not get away with this. If we let China get away with this, they'll do it again and perhaps 1000X worse.
Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a gentle glide applicator tip at March 18, 2020 07:47 PM (JgW3r)

But it's not just that they knew. Now they're propagandizing to do even more harm to the US by blaming America for the virus.

Posted by: 29victor at March 18, 2020 07:55 PM (BJKQV)

91 Does anybody read Ben Shapiro's tweets and listen to his radio show who aren't paid to do so?

Posted by: it begins... at March 18, 2020 07:53 PM (a5D9R)


I don't think they could pay me enough to do that!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 18, 2020 07:55 PM (BiNEL)

92 When we finally decide we don't want China around anymore, we may find there's more of "us" already owned by them than we can possibly imagine.

Which is why expropriation without compensation was invented.

The Cubans did it to us - we can do it to the Chinese.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 18, 2020 07:55 PM (I2/tG)

93 501 Biden's in luck, winning big, and now doesn't have to make speeches or be seen much until the election. I hope Trump doesn't cancel the debates. They could use isolation chambers like in that old quiz show.
Posted by: Colin at March 18, 2020 07:43 PM (+ME2/)
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62 The only solution to this is to elect an old man who was part of the team that kept us safely stagnant and unemployed while the feds dumped $80B/month into the economy to allow them to tread water.

We can't risk success!
Posted by: Moron Robbie - everyone has gone bat soup crazy at March 18, 2020 07:52 PM
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Biden doesn't have to do anything at all, just wait for the forecasted Q1 -5 GDP and Q2 -14!!! GDP to roll in.

There isn't an easier race to win than being Trump's opponent in November.

He has only the judiciary issue to run on now. Biden owns everything else.

Posted by: Cutlerisoutofajob at March 18, 2020 07:55 PM (RpxQf)

94 What nonsense. Manufacturing doesn't make you powerful. If it did, wouldn't the USA and England have been much more powerful in the past?

Posted by: The Elites at March 18, 2020 07:55 PM (Wd55D)

95 @82

The email said it begins tomorrow, March 19th.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at March 18, 2020 07:55 PM (FVrDO)

96
Where are all the fucking phonies at The Hague?
Where are all the fucking phonies on the UN Security Council? They're busy attacking Israel and USA, that's where they are.

Where's the phony amnesty international?
Where's the crackdown on china from all these "human rights advocates" phony cocksucker leeches?

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a gentle glide applicator tip at March 18, 2020 07:55 PM (JgW3r)

97 The quicker China devolves into civil war like the 1920's and 1930's the quicker we can get cheap opium, weapons of sketchy origin, cheap whores and chinese food dishes named after commie killing Generals.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 18, 2020 07:54 PM

Free delivery on my prime membership?

Posted by: Minnfidel at March 18, 2020 07:56 PM (TNy/K)

98 Before Wuhan virus, I was actually very unaware of how much the USA relied on China for our medicines. It's been extremely eye-opening and downright terrifying knowing so much of our pharmaceuticals come from this Communist country



Imagine the large number of Americans who are still not aware of this information compliments of the lying media.

Posted by: Floridachick at March 18, 2020 07:56 PM (tyJ60)

99 Fortuitously, dems chose the guy on the Chinese dole who says whatever his masters want him to say. 

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at March 18, 2020 07:53

But all he do is babble about Corn Pop and kids rubbing his leg hairs! Give us our money back!

Posted by: China at March 18, 2020 07:56 PM (Izzlo)

100 And guess who made a lot of money helping ship those factories and jobs overseas?
Good Ol' Mittens Romeney.

Yeah Mr. Good Guy Back Stabber.

Hmm I wonder if this is why the drive by him for bailing out the citizens so that maybe the media won't go too hard on him as being a cuthroat carpet bagger who made millions on the sale of the US manufacturing capability to a hostile power.

Posted by: jakee308 at March 18, 2020 07:56 PM (1Lhet)

101 And some troll made the point, if it can be called that, that Trump is in danger from GDP contraction due to Chinese Flu.

Fortunately, people like that will immediately be set upon by their allies for using the word "Chinese".

Posted by: Ace's liver at March 18, 2020 07:57 PM (wGeit)

102 Does anybody read Ben Shapiro's tweets and listen to his radio show who aren't paid to do so?

Posted by: it begins... at March 18, 2020 07:53 PM (a5D9R)

Fox News and cuck media in general INSIST on shoving this preening faggot down our throats no matter how many viewers it costs them, so yes. We have to take him as the serious threat he is, because he loves seeing actual conservatives get deplatformed.

Posted by: trev006 at March 18, 2020 07:57 PM (mSjr7)

103 I had an email a while ago, from all all places the Old Town Canoe Co, telling me what they're doing to address the virus problem.

Posted by: Weasel at March 18, 2020 07:57 PM (MVjcR)

104 Our politicians have to be the stupidest people on earth for putting us in peril like that.

************

Not stupid, just fuck all greedy. They got bought out just like the WHO did by China.

Nixon opened the door to all this, while Clinton went balls deep after to put us in the mess we're in today.

Posted by: Two Weeks From Being Made in China at March 18, 2020 07:57 PM (+dsLj)

105 When this is all over (if ever), I hope Trump adds up the entire cost to the USA and sends China a bill -- or invalidates the Treasuries they've purchased in that amount.

Posted by: ShainS -- giving new meaning to March Madness and Cancel Culture at March 18, 2020 07:57 PM (WqPYg)

106 RORGF, China
Posted by: josephistan at March 18, 2020 07:53 PM (Izzlo)


perfect

Posted by: runner at March 18, 2020 07:57 PM (zr5Kq)

107 I don't think I'll ever eat anything from a Chinese restaurant again.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy's new band is called The Sniveling Progressives at March 18, 2020 07:57 PM (HaL55)

108 "Open and clear lines of communication, including a free press, are vital to the relationship between our two countries."

Which I why I kept a Chinese spy on my staff for twenty years.

Posted by: Diane! at March 18, 2020 07:57 PM (I2/tG)

109 Buh buh buh you can get dog food fifty cents cheaper! (Even thought it might contain hazardous chemicals.)

And now we can't return this lame-ass virus because we shredded the receipt!

Posted by: The Media at March 18, 2020 07:57 PM (IMdOQ)

110 Bonchie at RedState notes that some former Free Trade Above All Else corporate libertarians are rethinking the terrible deal we made to ship most of our manufacturing base to a hostile communist power.

Not enough of them. Most Favored Nation Status my ass.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 18, 2020 07:57 PM (KZzsI)

111 Does anybody read Ben Shapiro's tweets and listen to his radio show who aren't paid to do so?

I used to.

*hangs head in shame*

In my defense, it was before Trump was elected. I thought Shapiro going to Universities to argue basic conservatism was pretty nifty. Also, I didn't notice his scolding of people on the right.

Posted by: bonhomme at March 18, 2020 07:58 PM (9t0Zz)

112
Just like the rest of the fucking ingrates in the rest of the world, the Chinese need us a hell of a lot more than we need them. As long as we stick to our guns, we WILL win a trade war with any of these moochers.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 18, 2020 07:58 PM (EGyGV)

113 Anyone gotten Mr. learn to code's take? Or is someone else paying Williamson's lunch these days?

Posted by: Inogame at March 18, 2020 07:58 PM (+2xjH)

114 BTW,,,

The goal of China all along was to climb up the value chain to all those "high paying service oriented jobs" in the US (like design, finance, research, marketing the chinese crap, etc.) until the US is a true colony supplying nothing but resources and markets.

SO in a way we are lucky this happened now and not in 20 years.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at March 18, 2020 07:58 PM (LWu6U)

115 Takes everyone's mind off Hong Kong, I guess.
Posted by: BignJames at March 18, 2020 07:55 PM (X/Pw5)


I'm betting while the Hong Kongers lose their rights during their lock down.

China has a lot of motives behind this "accident."

Posted by: Sponge at March 18, 2020 07:58 PM (Zz0t1)

116 69 Before Wuhan virus, I was actually very unaware of how much the USA relied on China for our medicines. It's been extremely eye-opening and downright terrifying knowing so much of our pharmaceuticals come from this Communist country. I had no clue...and this must change immediately. Our politicians have to be the stupidest people on earth for putting us in peril like that.

Posted by: Lady in Black at March 18, 2020 07:53 PM (JoUsr)

It's way worse. All of our transformers come from China. We don't make any of them anymore here and haven't for years. We're completely at their mercy.

Absolute madness.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 18, 2020 07:58 PM (j3npP)

117 Time to nationalize any Chinese stock in any American companies and redistribute them into American's retirement plans.

The Commies like nationalizing and redistributing things, don't they? As such, I assume that China will approve.

Posted by: 29victor at March 18, 2020 07:58 PM (BJKQV)

118 Colin



Ryzen7?


Ryzen 5.....I figured it was getting good reviews along with the Ryzen 7. Usually use Intel, but right now AMD has better prices.

Posted by: Colin at March 18, 2020 07:58 PM (+ME2/)

119 China's answer to their supplying the world with a military weapon flu pandemic is, blame America. (Did they learn that from our own socialists, America intolerant demorats ?) China told us we must givve up our American ways and accept Chairman Mao's more enlightened ways to end this pandemic. Oddly enough China's dealings seem to have bee, infect the world and more harshly govern their own people.
Taiwan used intelligence in stead of rope a dope blinders of socialism/communism as the answer. As of yesterday Taiwan has had a total of 47 cases, and without any Communist utopian promises or totalitarianism.
Taiwan didn't even use the American socialist model of everybody pee their pants and shut the Country down with a devastating attack on American capitalism and freedoms. Maybe its white/dark magic or secret potions, eh ? Still to use them best, panty peeing and heavy doses of crying/bawling hysterics complement best. Doncha know ?

Posted by: ron n. at March 18, 2020 07:58 PM (om5HK)

120
Before Wuhan virus, I was actually very unaware of how much the USA relied on China for our medicines.

None of my medications has any indication of country of origin.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 18, 2020 07:59 PM (aKsyK)

121 My theory; boomers who think Ben's what all the hip young kids are into.

Posted by: El Kabong at March 18, 2020 07:55 PM (datdl)

Sorority girls cannot drop their panties fast enough!

Posted by: trev006 at March 18, 2020 07:59 PM (mSjr7)

122 It'll be as hard to take the Chamber of Commerce's slaves away as it was to take them away the Democrats'.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 18, 2020 07:59 PM (oVJmc)

123 I think this will be the defining issue of the 2020 campaign. It will be Trump vs nearly everyone else.

Posted by: Mark1971 at March 18, 2020 07:59 PM (xPl2J)

124 Next time, I'll use english.....

Posted by: Sponge at March 18, 2020 07:59 PM (Zz0t1)

125 The email said it begins tomorrow, March 19th.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at March 18, 2020 07:55 PM (FVrDO)

Weird - apparently the virus comes out at night... just as the gypsy lady predicted!

Posted by: batterup at March 18, 2020 07:59 PM (K4I9O)

126 Just got an email from Home Depot.



Stores will now close at 6pm, instead of 10pm.





I'm sure that won't have disastrous effects on it's bottom line.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at March 18, 2020 07:52 PM (FVrDO)


A lot of stores are doing that now. I was talking to a guy who works in the local supermarket he said it's to clean and give them more time to restock. They've even brought in outside help to help stock shelves. I got an email from them today saying "We're hiring!"

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 18, 2020 07:59 PM (ENSZ9)

127 And now we can't return this lame-ass virus because we shredded the receipt!

Posted by: The Media at March 18, 2020 07:57 PM (IMdOQ)

No tickee no washee!

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 18, 2020 07:59 PM (j3npP)

128 Isn't the family of McConnells wife heavily involved in shipping mainly from China?

Posted by: Floridachick at March 18, 2020 07:59 PM (tyJ60)

129 >> Does anybody read Ben Shapiro's tweets and listen to his radio show who aren't paid to do so?

Every time i wander into twitterland his tweets are in the comments below the one I looked at.

Why is this? is he heavily promoted by twitter? And he says nothing but drivel.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at March 18, 2020 08:00 PM (LWu6U)

130 Posted by: BurtTC at March 18, 2020 07:47 PM (hku12)

If the US despises China as much as I think it will by the end, those properties will be expropriated without compensation. Any American corporations with gear left in China will write them off as a loss. Given how badly America's very mild economic warfare affected their country, sanctions would absolutely destroy them. And any country that continued to trade with China would find themselves facing equal American hostility, as well as outraged citizens fearing a new bat plague.
Posted by: trev006 at March 18, 2020 07:54 PM (mSjr7)


Going to take a massive reckoning and turnover of politicians and bureaucrats in Washington (and states like Californica and New Yuck) before any such action would be possible.

If we were serious, there would be pols whose ties to China get exposed, and they're tried for treason.

I don't think we're that serious.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 18, 2020 08:00 PM (hku12)

131 Chinese media is boasting about crippling the US and the EU with this virus. They're talking about unleashing the mighty coronavirus on us. It's almost funny because it's so over the top but damn, if you're out and proud about what could be construed as a deliberate bioweapon you got some 'spraining to do, China.

Posted by: JuJuBee at March 18, 2020 08:00 PM (COzlW)

132 Biden's in luck, winning big, and now doesn't have to make speeches or be seen much until the election.

Interestingly, Biden only has an 85% chance of winning the Democratic nomination on the Iowa Electronic Markets.

Somebody's betting on a medical event.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 18, 2020 08:00 PM (I2/tG)

133 At least I got my lumber delivery today.

Who knew 3/4 inch pressure treated plywood weighed more than Meghan McCain.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at March 18, 2020 08:00 PM (FVrDO)

134 For decades now, China has been at war with the USA online and has infiltrated the USA to the point that even England is mocking us for having so many hostile foreign agents in high places. We're riddled like a termite-infested log, and its going to be hell to clean them out.

Meanwhile, China spends billions to influence culture, entertainment, and news media to their favor. They spend billions more on manipulating education to agree with them and attack anyone who dares question this.

They do it openly too. Foundations, gifts, charitable contributions, they even own a portion of news stations. Its blatant and shocking, and people just shrug at it.

China is our enemy, far more so than Russia. Which is why the China-paid, China-influenced useful idiots keep yelling and pointing at Russia.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 18, 2020 08:00 PM (KZzsI)

135 And guess who made a lot of money helping ship those factories and jobs overseas?
Good Ol' Mittens Romeney.

Yeah Mr. Good Guy Back Stabber.

Hmm I wonder if this is why the drive by him for bailing out the citizens so that maybe the media won't go too hard on him as being a cuthroat carpet bagger who made millions on the sale of the US manufacturing capability to a hostile power.



He's not the only congresscretin who's on the ChiCom's payroll. Schitt-for-Brains is one, Biden's another one. There's a few Pubbies, too.

Vote each and every one of their corrupt asses OUT!

#CancelChina

Posted by: BackwardsBoy's new band is called The Sniveling Progressives at March 18, 2020 08:00 PM (HaL55)

136 I think this will be the defining issue of the 2020 campaign. It will be Trump vs nearly everyone else.

*******

So what's changed?

Posted by: Two Weeks From Being Made in China at March 18, 2020 08:00 PM (+dsLj)

137 120
Before Wuhan virus, I was actually very unaware of how much the USA relied on China for our medicines.

None of my medications has any indication of country of origin.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 18, 2020 07:59 PM (aKsyK)


I didn't realize where mine came from until there were recalls based on contaminants. Happened to me twice, and both medications were made in China. Were made exclusively in China, in fact.

Posted by: Ace's liver at March 18, 2020 08:01 PM (wGeit)

138 Isn't the family of McConnells wife heavily involved in shipping mainly from China?


His father-in-law is the King of Chinese Shipping.


But I'm sure he and Chao married for love.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 18, 2020 08:01 PM (oVJmc)

139 Many contractors shop Home Depot/Lowes early in the am.

Posted by: Colin at March 18, 2020 08:01 PM (+ME2/)

140

And this might be the worst case of actual "foreign election interference" the world has ever seen. To propagate a Virus just to upset the USA and try to force a "regime change" in Washington DC.

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a gentle glide applicator tip at March 18, 2020 08:01 PM (JgW3r)

141 I'm hoping this really scared a lot of free trade soyboys straight. Enough of this shit.
Posted by: Two Weeks From Being Made in China


Nope.

It won't because they're more than happy to reap the benifits of 'free trade' while their lessers, the flyover hobbits and deplorables suffer the costs.

It's been their mode and mean for decades.

Why do you think they've been so hot and bothered for open borders? They don't pay the costs; their careers aren't threatened, their children will never have to live 2 families to a house.

They are protected from all the friction and fallout from unabated immigration, so why would they care now?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 18, 2020 08:01 PM (NCvUp)

142 Imagine the large number of Americans who are still not aware of this information compliments of the lying media.

Posted by: Floridachick at March 18, 2020 07:56 PM (tyJ60)


Asked my doc (who lurks here) if he could specify American made prescriptions for me. His answer was, "I might be able to, but the cost difference from your Medical Drug insurance company is astronomical!"

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 18, 2020 08:01 PM (BiNEL)

143 103
I had an email a while ago, from all all places the Old Town Canoe Co,
telling me what they're doing to address the virus problem.

Posted by: Weasel at March 18, 2020 07:57 PM (MVjcR)

Are we up a creek without a paddle?

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at March 18, 2020 08:01 PM (1CjJc)

144 Every time Biden makes a public statement about something he looks stupider. He called on Trump to do something he'd already done like four times so far on the Wuhan Flu. His appearances are short and sometimes abruptly cut off. Its pathetic, everyone can see what is going on.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 18, 2020 08:01 PM (KZzsI)

145 If distrust with China continues to grow then Biden is dead in the water, as Trump will not hesitate to hammer Joe with his son being on the Chinese payroll.

Posted by: davidt at March 18, 2020 08:03 PM (l3+k2)

146 Give Taiwan nukes.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 18, 2020 08:03 PM (oVJmc)

147 Posted by: Weasel at March 18, 2020 07:57 PM (MVjcR)

Are we up a creek without a paddle?
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at March 18, 2020 08:01 PM (1CjJc)
-----
Without a canoe!!

Posted by: Weasel at March 18, 2020 08:03 PM (MVjcR)

148 103
I had an email a while ago, from all all places the Old Town Canoe Co, telling me what they're doing to address the virus problem.

Posted by: Weasel at March 18, 2020 07:57 PM (MVjcR)

Are we up a creek without a paddle?
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at March 18, 2020 08:01 PM (1CjJc)

"In an abundance of caution we are writing to let you know you are up the creek without a paddle..."

Posted by: batterup at March 18, 2020 08:03 PM (K4I9O)

149 I wonder what the major drug companies in my county do make or do then.

Posted by: Skip at March 18, 2020 08:03 PM (ZCEU2)

150 Happened to me twice, and both medications were made in China. Were made exclusively in China, in fact.

Posted by: Ace's liver at March 18, 2020 08:01 PM (wGeit)


Melamine has many beneficial side effects!

Posted by: Commissar Wong Wei Hrothgar at March 18, 2020 08:03 PM (BiNEL)

151 If we were serious, there would be pols whose ties to China get exposed, and they're tried for treason. 

I don't think we're that serious.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 18, 2020 08:00 PM (hku12)

You don't need trials to get justice. I actually don't think it would be good to see Mr. Li and Mrs. Chang attacked in the street just because their government is made of supremely evil assholes, but pogroms have started over a lot less than governments trying to withhold vital medicine ingredients from former trading partners. I actually know some people I would shelter in such a case, but that wouldn't stop the violence from happening.

And of course if legal authority can't stop the disgusting assholes in the FBI and the Rat party, other means will be found.

Posted by: trev006 at March 18, 2020 08:03 PM (mSjr7)

152 131

Trolling right?

Posted by: Floridachick at March 18, 2020 08:03 PM (tyJ60)

153 Every time Biden makes a public statement about
something he looks stupider. He called on Trump to do something he'd
already done like four times so far on the Wuhan Flu. His appearances
are short and sometimes abruptly cut off. Its pathetic, everyone can
see what is going on.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 18, 2020 08:01 PM (KZzsI)


The John Gill candidacy

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 18, 2020 08:03 PM (ENSZ9)

154 128 Isn't the family of McConnells wife heavily involved in shipping mainly from China?

Posted by: Floridachick at March 18, 2020 07:59 PM (tyJ60)

Yep. And isn't it funny she always seems to land a slot in the cabinet in GOP administrations.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 18, 2020 08:04 PM (j3npP)

155 We've looked the other way far too long on the Chinese. This could have been stopped right at the door by seeing communism for the evil it is. It could have at least been mitigated or questioned as we watched the Chinese march across places like Tibet, steal our jobs, industries and intellectual property. It could have been paused for reflection as they militarily built up the South China and illegally laid claim to lands they did not own or tried to intimidate people from navigating seas outside their legal boundaries. How about even a momentary pause of reflection for an absolute lack of civil rights, forced prison labor, extra judicial murder, forced abortion, organ harvesting and concentration camps for the Uighurs. No, they told us. Capitalism will win the day.

Right, Joe Biden?

Never have so many basic principles, human dignity and lives been sold out for so much bullshit. This is what it eventually got us, more misery and death. Yet still these people are trying to play us for the fools. I wish I could throat punch every last one of them.

Posted by: Hesco Gypsy, staring from 457 meters at March 18, 2020 08:04 PM (bGY3H)

156 Taiwan didn't even use the American socialist model of everybody pee their pants and shut the Country down with a devastating attack on American capitalism and freedoms. Maybe its white/dark magic or secret potions, eh ? Still to use them best, panty peeing and heavy doses of crying/bawling hysterics complement best. Doncha know ?
Posted by: ron n. at March 18, 2020 07:58 PM (om5HK)


This is BULLSHIT. That is exactly what they did. mandatory quarantine of those deemed high risk. cellphone tracking. ban on export of key medical supplies.

Posted by: runner at March 18, 2020 08:04 PM (zr5Kq)

157 Biden will have a health issue before the convention. Maybe he'll decide to get rid of an annoying woodpecker behind the house and shoot himself in the eye with a slingshot.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at March 18, 2020 08:04 PM (C1Lsn)

158 Isn't the family of McConnells wife heavily involved in shipping mainly from China?
Posted by: Floridachick at March 18, 2020 07:59 PM (tyJ60)


Not sure, but probably. This is the hard truth, there is enough bowing to China on both sides of the aisle going on, and has been for a long long time, that the solution here is not going to be a Republican v. Democrat one.

This, again, is why Trump is so despised by the CoC nevertrump crowd. His "America first" approach jeopardizes a LOT of China-loving people on the so-called right.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 18, 2020 08:04 PM (hku12)

159 How do we go about getting the Chinese people to overthrow the commies is the real key.....

Once that fuse gets lit, it's Happy Fun Time!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 18, 2020 08:04 PM (Z+IKu)

160 Doesn't man of integrity Mitt Romney have China connections?

Posted by: Northernlurker at March 18, 2020 08:04 PM (Uu+Jp)

161 The most politicized flu to ever exist and the greatest flu to attack capitalism and promote socialism/Communism. Can you notice 1+1=2?

Posted by: ron n. at March 18, 2020 08:05 PM (om5HK)

162 I bought some generic Allegra because it was so much cheaper. Didn't do a bloody thing for the allergies. Threw it away and bought Allegra. I figure the generic version was made in China, who knows what was really in it. Ground Wuhan bat for all I know.

Posted by: JuJuBee at March 18, 2020 08:05 PM (COzlW)

163 They sold it as free trade but neglected to mention that like the Japanese a few decades ago, they wouldn't let OUR exports into their country so it became a one way flow.

This by the way was negotiated by Bush I. Clinton just got to sign off on it. But he and Cankles were happy to do so.

Nothing like have a corrupt totalitarian state beholden to you for favors.

Wonder how many other Senators besides Feinstein, Romney, Biden et al have money connections to China.

What was that quote? A fool lies here who tried to hustle the east. Oh Yeah Kipling.

Posted by: jakee308 at March 18, 2020 08:05 PM (1Lhet)

164 Sorry American Interest, I know you apparently mean well but I'm sick and tired of getting lumped into our government-created messes via lazy writing: "benefiting from our greed and myopia" or "acknowledge our own complicity in." No. Wrong. Be specific. WHO. HOW. WHEN. This weak-ass writing that distances the actual creators and decision-makers into a vague blob referred to as "the west". Stop. When you want nothing to actually change, or you at least don't want to ruffle any specific feathers, that is how you write

Posted by: Charlie's Horse at March 18, 2020 08:05 PM (qFkYf)

165 Asked my doc (who lurks here) if he could specify American made prescriptions for me. His answer was, "I might be able to, but the cost difference from your Medical Drug insurance company is astronomical!"

*******

This is their fucking excuse for everything. I even remember Ted Cruz making the same argument, that if Trump had his way the price of toilet paper would go up.

Posted by: Two Weeks From Being Made in China at March 18, 2020 08:05 PM (+dsLj)

166 147
Posted by: Weasel at March 18, 2020 07:57 PM (MVjcR)



Are we up a creek without a paddle?

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at March 18, 2020 08:01 PM (1CjJc)

-----

Without a canoe!!

Posted by: Weasel at March 18, 2020 08:03 PM (MVjcR)

How am I supposed to have a tragic canoe accident?

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at March 18, 2020 08:05 PM (1CjJc)

167 Chinese media is boasting about crippling the US and the EU with this virus. They're talking about unleashing the mighty coronavirus on us. It's almost funny because it's so over the top but damn, if you're out and proud about what could be construed as a deliberate bioweapon you got some 'spraining to do, China.


Yeah, that's exactly what I want to hear from our Most Favored Nation trading partner: a bioweapon threat.


#CancelChina

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #CancelChina at March 18, 2020 08:05 PM (HaL55)

168 145 If distrust with China continues to grow then Biden is dead in the water, as Trump will not hesitate to hammer Joe with his son being on the Chinese payroll



Therefore the screeching media over the Chinese flu.

Posted by: Floridachick at March 18, 2020 08:05 PM (tyJ60)

169 I had an email a while ago, from all all places the Old Town Canoe Co,
telling me what they're doing to address the virus problem.

Posted by: Weasel at March 18, 2020 07:57 PM (MVjcR)

They are worried about all the negative press associated with the many tragic canoe accidents reported here!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 18, 2020 08:06 PM (BiNEL)

170 Are we up a creek without a paddle?

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at March 18, 2020 08:01 PM (1CjJc)

-----

Without a canoe!!

Posted by: Weasel at March 18, 2020 08:03 PM (MVjcR)

How am I supposed to have a tragic canoe accident?
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at March 18, 2020 08:05 PM (1CjJc)
----
Think outside the box!

Posted by: Weasel at March 18, 2020 08:06 PM (MVjcR)

171 So serious question... what determines when the government gives the 'all clear' and everything goes back to normal?

I mean, the last I checked, there are a total of 150 deaths in the USA due to COVID-19. H1N1 had USA deaths spread out over a year time period from April '09 to April '10 of 14,000.

Is there some magic number we're looking for? If 14,000 deaths were acceptable for H1N1 and anywhere from 20,000 to 60,000 deaths over a 12-month time period are acceptable for seasonal flu, what exactly is the metric we're looking at that says "okay, the threat is gone, we can go back to regular life"?

Posted by: Clyde Shelton, a law abiding citizen at March 18, 2020 08:06 PM (Do5/p)

172 Is it time for PDT to tell the reporters that he will be reaching out to Owebama to find out how he was able to keep everyone's tits calm during the Swine flu,?

Posted by: Bruce at March 18, 2020 08:06 PM (vd8XM)

173 Just got back from the store.

They're STILL running on paper products. People have been buying up all the toilet, tissue paper and paper towels for a WEEK now.

WTF for?

Posted by: Sponge at March 18, 2020 08:06 PM (Zz0t1)

174 This must be so awkward for Senator Feinstein.

Posted by: kallisto at March 18, 2020 08:06 PM (UPWzt)

175 I presume there will be a reckoning with the Clintons, the Bidens, the Kerry's, the Romney's, etc?

Or nah?

Pro tip, pick "nah."

Posted by: Martini Farmer semper liberi montani at March 18, 2020 08:06 PM (3H9h1)

176
Chinese media is boasting about crippling the US and the EU with this virus.
Posted by: JuJuBee


Meanwhile, our lying cocksucking Fake News here is pretending China is innocent and calling us "racist."

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a gentle glide applicator tip at March 18, 2020 08:07 PM (JgW3r)

177 I find it funny as hell that all these stores are closing or limiting hours like that's going to help with distancing.

Whut whut whut?

Reducing the hours concentrates the number of people in the store at one time dumbasses. And that's the exact opposite of aiding distancing.

It's almost as if they're trying to kill us. (and by US I mean the Boomers cuz that's who's doing most of the dying).

Posted by: jakee308 at March 18, 2020 08:07 PM (1Lhet)

178 Meanwhile, the Left is excitedly preparing for mass death in the United States.

A writer for the Nation:

We have to steel ourselves for burying our loved ones. We have to also steel ourselves for the possibility that we can't be there when our loved ones are buried.

The founder and head of Talking Points Memo:

My wife is a psychotherapist specializing in grief/death and dying issue but has a general practice. She just showed me discussion on one of her listserves w people in her work preparing to deal with cases where people are not allowed to visit or see loved ones before they die.

They can barely restrain their excitement, since they think that millions of people dead will defeat Trump.

Ghouls.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 18, 2020 08:07 PM (I2/tG)

179 Three different meds my wife needs have had supply problems in the last two years. Two of those shortages were due to China issues and one India.

We were able to find other sources of supply or replacement meds but it took a boatload of scrambling.

I'm okay with "Design/Build/Buy American".

Posted by: Tonypete at March 18, 2020 08:07 PM (Y4EXg)

180 If distrust with China continues to grow then Biden is dead in the water, as Trump will not hesitate to hammer Joe with his son being on the Chinese payroll.


Posted by: davidt at March 18, 2020 08:03 PM (l3+k2)



That's peanuts. Just run ads where Joe is saying "China. C;mon man. They're not the enemy" on a continuous loop.

Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at March 18, 2020 08:07 PM (Ozpxd)

181 Doesn't man of integrity Mitt Romney have China connections?
Posted by: Northernlurker at March 18, 2020 08:04 PM (Uu+Jp)


Most of those in Washington DC do, if we're honest.

Posted by: Sponge at March 18, 2020 08:07 PM (Zz0t1)

182 146 Give Taiwan nukes.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 18, 2020 08:03 PM (oVJmc)

It would start a war lol.

Hey though remember when Trump got elected and the president of Taiwan called to offer congratulations and Trump TOOK THE CALL?

The cucks MELTED DOWN. YOU CAN'T DO THAT the cucks stuttered in utter panic. What a bunch of fucking Chinese dick sucking shills. As if China should dictate what my president does or doesn't do. Just goes to show you how on the take these turds are.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 18, 2020 08:07 PM (j3npP)

183 Over 100 so OT:
At the 1920 Antwerp Olympics Willis A. Lee, USN got five gold medals in team shooting: 50 m small bore, 300 m army rifle prone, 600 m free rifle, 300 m + 600 m free rifle, and free rifle; silver medal in 300 m army rifle standing; and bronze in 100 m running deer single shot.


Admiral Lee commanded the battleship task force at Second Naval Battle of Guadalcanal where USS Washington sank IJN Kirishima.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Is Sponsoring Methcalibur - The Musical!! at March 18, 2020 08:07 PM (qobvn)

184 His answer was, "I might be able to, but the cost difference from your Medical Drug insurance company is astronomical!"

Yeah I remember the bad old days before the Chinese made everything, Asprin was $75 a tablet and let's not even talk about cough drops.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 18, 2020 08:07 PM (KZzsI)

185 But ... but ... but ... wouldn't that be racist? I mean, China is the biggest minority on the planet!

Posted by: ShainS -- Virus Denier at March 18, 2020 08:07 PM (WqPYg)

186 I find it funny as hell that all these stores are closing or limiting hours like that's going to help with distancing.

Nightly cleaning and restocking.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 18, 2020 08:08 PM (I2/tG)

187 So serious question... what determines when the government gives the 'all clear' and everything goes back to normal?


==

Maybe when infection rate drops to a minimum.

Posted by: runner at March 18, 2020 08:08 PM (zr5Kq)

188 what determines when the government gives the 'all clear' and everything goes back to normal?

***************

Probably when the numbers start to recede, I don't think we hit peak yet because the tests are only now being rolled out, but once number of new reports start going down, thats the time to invest back into the market.

Posted by: Two Weeks From Being Made in China at March 18, 2020 08:08 PM (+dsLj)

189 This must be so awkward for Senator Feinstein.
Posted by: kallisto at March 18, 2020 08:06 PM (UPWzt)


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

You funny.

When you have no morals and there are no consequence for lack of said morals......

Posted by: Sponge at March 18, 2020 08:08 PM (Zz0t1)

190 Hmm, want to help the economy?

Kill Ethanol.

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 18, 2020 08:08 PM (NgKpN)

191 Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 18, 2020 08:07 PM (I2/tG)

Funny how sure they are that it won't be them in the box, isn't it?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 18, 2020 08:09 PM (j3npP)

192 ? Hong Kong flu
Bird flu
Swine flu
Wuhan flu ?

Why close China now?

China has worked hard to protect their pandemic flu machine ---you racist assholes.


Posted by: Beyond Norman Parameters at March 18, 2020 08:09 PM (xXx5y)

193
Chinese media is boasting about crippling the US and the EU with this virus. They're talking about unleashing the mighty coronavirus on us. It's almost funny because it's so over the top but damn, if you're out and proud about what could be construed as a deliberate bioweapon you got some 'spraining to do, China.
Posted by: JuJuBee at March 18, 2020 08:00 PM (COzlW)








The thing is, US policy has always been that chemical, biological and nuclear weapons are EQUIVALENT. And since the US doesn't keep chem or bio weapons anymore, there's only one response. Which means that the Chinese are technically flirting with having to invest in developing 6 billion SPF sunblock.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 18, 2020 08:09 PM (EGyGV)

194 The 2020 Puyallup Spring Fair is canceled.

Sh*t just got real.

Posted by: 29victor at March 18, 2020 08:10 PM (BJKQV)

195 This must be so awkward for Senator Feinstein.

Posted by: kallisto at March 18, 2020 08:06 PM (UPWzt)


Not until the ChiCom checks don't clear on time!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 18, 2020 08:10 PM (BiNEL)

196 "Oh by the way. While we've got you all at home and out of contact, we're going to send around squads of people who will be doing welfare checks and also removing any nasty guns or other verboten contraband"


The Federal Deep State you all allowed to exist because 9/11 scared you to death.
BOHICA bitchez.

Posted by: jakee308 at March 18, 2020 08:10 PM (1Lhet)

197 I'd like to see a very focused and critical review of the CDC. They have a primary job and it seems they were caught completely off guard by this.

I suspect it's partly because resources are diverted for bullshit SJW programs like firearms studies and climate change stuff.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 18, 2020 08:10 PM (saIjW)

198 All the grocery stores here are cutting hours except Safeway. Although, they are reserving 7-9 am on Tuesdays for elderly and pregnant customers.

Posted by: Infidel at March 18, 2020 08:10 PM (XG6D3)

199 194 The 2020 Puyallup Spring Fair is canceled.

Sh*t just got real.
Posted by: 29victor at March 18, 2020 08:10 PM (BJKQV)

*general chaos*

*Naked woman bounces*

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at March 18, 2020 08:10 PM (2B9A/)

200 All of these things could probably be made better in Guatemala or similar anyway if not affordable here. And shipping would be shorter. So yes cancel China.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 18, 2020 08:11 PM (r+sAi)

201 Now is really the time to look at measures like stopping the ethanol subsidies. They're proven, admitted losers but so popular with the ag crowd they are difficult to get congress to even consider but in this atmosphere, it might be possible.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 18, 2020 08:11 PM (KZzsI)

202 what determines when the government gives the 'all clear' and everything goes back to normal?

LOL. You poor innocent thing.

You think we're going to allow things to go "back to normal"?

The Left is already celebrating how much cleaner the environment is with the country shut down.

Posted by: Democratic State and Local Governments! at March 18, 2020 08:11 PM (I2/tG)

203 Here's Xi's dilemna, and his solution. He launched this virus because President Trump handed him his nutzack in the form of a trade agreement favorable to America. This after China screwing America for decades. Xi lied about the virus attack to his people and to America and incidentally to Walmart. Now, his solution. Sale the stuff destined for Walmart to his own damn workers who made the crap, but couldn't afford to buy the crap. It just might keep him from being Stood against the wall and shot.

Posted by: Eromero at March 18, 2020 08:11 PM (XhWtx)

204 187 So serious question... what determines when the government gives the 'all clear' and everything goes back to normal?


==

Maybe when infection rate drops to a minimum.
Posted by: runner at March 18, 2020 08:08 PM (zr5Kq)

Here in WA it will be when the poll numbers show that obsessing on the virus is helping Trump.

Posted by: 29victor at March 18, 2020 08:11 PM (BJKQV)

205 Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 18, 2020 08:07 PM (I2/tG)

Well, they may be ghouls, but I think it's a legitimate concern for some folks that they won't be able to see their loved ones before they die. I mean, priests aren't even getting into hospitals with an immense amount of pushback and people get into visit loved ones in nursing homes. It doesn't mean that millions will die; It's just that people want to say goodbye to their loved ones and often are very sorry when they couldn't get there.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 18, 2020 08:11 PM (WI7YS)

206 I think Peter Navarro is a great hire by President Trump. He was on Tucker Carlson again and is always very impressive.

Posted by: Chillin the most at March 18, 2020 08:11 PM (lonOK)

207 Give Taiwan nukes. Call the Chinese communists' bluff. Poke them in the eye.

Posted by: Floridachick at March 18, 2020 08:11 PM (tyJ60)

208 We knew China had its tentacles into everything but the EXTENT of it is incredibly disturbing.

I didnt even know they had the WHO on their payroll too until it was pointed out here.

Posted by: Two Weeks From Being Made in China at March 18, 2020 08:11 PM (+dsLj)

209 @171

I think the metric is total destruction of the global economy and the ushering in of "Global Universal Democratic Socialism."


Then things will be allowed to get back to normal.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at March 18, 2020 08:11 PM (FVrDO)

210 liberal logic:

we need to import stuff because manufacturing here would be too expensive.
we need to double the minimum wage.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at March 18, 2020 08:12 PM (4a9Vv)

211 One of son's jobs is at Dick's (yeah, I know). He just got the call that they are closed to foot traffic starting close of business today. Curbside delivery only.

Posted by: Jordan61 at March 18, 2020 08:12 PM (6ofTb)

212 Of course, Apple and Nike were the leaders.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at March 18, 2020 08:12 PM (PUmDY)

213 Posted by: Lady in Black at March 18, 2020 07:53 PM (JoUsr)

I didn't know this until this flu. Whoever approved this needs to be jailed. Exactly, how the fuck could anyone see this as beneficial to our country. Steel manufacturing is bad enough. This is beyond reason.

Posted by: ryukyu at March 18, 2020 08:12 PM (vKhgw)

214 I mean, the last I checked, there are a total of 150
deaths in the USA due to COVID-19. H1N1 had USA deaths spread out over
a year time period from April '09 to April '10 of 14,000.



Is there some magic number we're looking for? If 14,000 deaths were
acceptable for H1N1 and anywhere from 20,000 to 60,000 deaths over a
12-month time period are acceptable for seasonal flu, what exactly is
the metric we're looking at that says "okay, the threat is gone, we can
go back to regular life"?

Posted by: Clyde Shelton, a law abiding citizen at March 18, 2020 08:06 PM (Do5/p)

But there are only 106 reported "recovered". That number is not increasing at nearly the same rate as infections and deaths.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at March 18, 2020 08:12 PM (TLxpZ)

215
It's true.

The Left has admitted and boldly stated they want the USA to return to 1890's technology.

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a gentle glide applicator tip at March 18, 2020 08:12 PM (JgW3r)

216 186 I find it funny as hell that all these stores are closing or limiting hours like that's going to help with distancing.

Nightly cleaning and restocking.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 18, 2020 08:08 PM (I2/tG)


It helps with staff problems too.

The grocery store by my house was open 24 hours for awhile. They stopped because at night more inventory was getting lifted than sold, and their labor costs were nearly the same as the peak hours.

Posted by: Ace's liver at March 18, 2020 08:12 PM (wGeit)

217 I cannot see nuking China for this even if proven deliberate.
I can certainly see trade-embargoing them like Cuba until they bring the perps publicly to justice or turn them over to us for trial.
However much they roar, China needs us more than we need them. And they're not in a position to hurt us militarily unless we do something really stupid like invade their homeland.

Posted by: jdgalt at March 18, 2020 08:13 PM (3SFo/)

218
*Naked woman bounces*
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at March 18, 2020 08:10 PM (2B9A/)


Link?

Posted by: Sponge at March 18, 2020 08:13 PM (Zz0t1)

219 67 Libertarians.
Posted by: nip at March 18, 2020 07:53 PM (cpS4u)

Should be cancelled.

Posted by: it begins... at March 18, 2020 08:13 PM (a5D9R)

220 Thought you were having a bad day....

@Reuters

Passengers of British coronavirus-hit cruise ship evacuate in Cuba

https://tinyurl.com/uuqxgdb

Posted by: Tami at March 18, 2020 08:14 PM (cF8AT)

221 I expect when the "new case" # declines for 2 or 3 days in a row, we'll see at least a partial all-clear and modification or ending of several restrictions. Assuming the level of hospitalized has not caused a real crisis, and no other factors are red. We'll see. Won't be surprised if it's soon.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 18, 2020 08:14 PM (El6T/)

222 Maybe when infection rate drops to a minimum.

Posted by: runner at March 18, 2020 08:08 PM

So what is the current infection rate?

Please excuse my ignorance, I know how to do math. But when I compare to 61 million infected for H1N1 and we have but 220,000 worldwide infected for COVID-19... I'm not really understanding where the "acceptable" point is.

61 million infected in USA over 12 month period comes out to 164,000 people per day. And we did not shut anything down.

We are barely over that worldwide total, not per day.

Sorry, I'm sure I sound stupid here, but I'm not sure what we're supposed to be looking at to estimate when we're going to get the okay to go back to normal life.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton, a law abiding citizen at March 18, 2020 08:14 PM (Do5/p)

223 This is their fucking excuse for everything. I even remember Ted Cruz making the same argument, that if Trump had his way the price of toilet paper would go up.
Posted by: Two Weeks From Being Made in China at March 18, 2020 08:05 PM (+dsLj)


As they say then, I guess it's time we learned the real price of toilet paper.

Seems to me there's a great deal of room in our economy for goods that are CLEARLY manufactured in America being sold alongside the China stuff.

Let's decide whether we're willing to pay more for it. Right now though, most items we buy, we don't get the choice. It's cheap China stuff or nothing.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 18, 2020 08:14 PM (hku12)

224 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 18, 2020 08:11 PM (WI7YS)

Meant "priests aren't getting into seeing some dying patients without a lot of pushback and people aren't getting into nursing homes..."

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 18, 2020 08:14 PM (WI7YS)

225 211
One of son's jobs is at Dick's (yeah, I know). He just got the call that
they are closed to foot traffic starting close of business today.
Curbside delivery only.

Posted by: Jordan61 at March 18, 2020 08:12 PM (6ofTb)

If you need anything, J61, let me know. I will keep an eye out locally and can grab something if needed.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at March 18, 2020 08:14 PM (1CjJc)

226 201 Now is really the time to look at measures like stopping the ethanol subsidies. They're proven, admitted losers but so popular with the ag crowd they are difficult to get congress to even consider but in this atmosphere, it might be possible.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 18, 2020 08:11 PM (KZzsI)

If you want Trump to lose Iowa, go ahead.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 18, 2020 08:15 PM (j3npP)

227 "The Left has admitted and boldly stated they want the USA to return to 1890's technology."


Coal and Steam! Coal! Glorious Coal! Big, billowing black clouds of coal smoke!



Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Is Sponsoring Methcalibur - The Musical!! at March 18, 2020 08:15 PM (qobvn)

228 Trump should be lauded as a Patton like hero because his efforts could very well keep the death toll to a fraction of what H1N1 was.

But because he is like Patton, he'll be bad mouthed and ridiculed to the end of days.

Posted by: Two Weeks From Being Made in China at March 18, 2020 08:15 PM (+dsLj)

229 I work in tech in the Silicon Valley and have done so over the last 30 years (grew up in the Berryessa area of San Jose).

When I took over as VP of Ops for my company, the first thing I did was take our manufacturing out of China and move it to the Philippines. That was in 2007.

Best decision I ever made. Hated dealing with the Chicoms and hated having to fly there for meetings. Filty place. Never saw the sun due to the air pollution.

Posted by: Dansgirls at March 18, 2020 08:16 PM (V25ON)

230

BOYCOTT CHINA!

BRING AMERICAN BUSINESS HOME!

Posted by: Somebody Print the Bumperstickers... at March 18, 2020 08:16 PM (eqWxE)

231 That's nice. Cold and storm front moving in. Predicting white outs on the passes. Snow on Friday here in the valley. I need eggs damnit.

Posted by: Infidel at March 18, 2020 08:16 PM (XG6D3)

232 If you want Trump to lose Iowa, go ahead




Maybe we'll have to.

Posted by: Floridachick at March 18, 2020 08:16 PM (tyJ60)

233 217 I cannot see nuking China for this even if proven deliberate.
I can certainly see trade-embargoing them like Cuba until they bring the perps publicly to justice or turn them over to us for trial.
However much they roar, China needs us more than we need them. And they're not in a position to hurt us militarily unless we do something really stupid like invade their homeland.

Posted by: jdgalt at March 18, 2020 08:13 PM (3SFo/)

Go over to the FBI site and take a look at the 10 most wanted list and click on tech. There are pictures of members of the Chinese military, in uniform, wanted for hacking crimes.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 18, 2020 08:16 PM (j3npP)

234 C'mon man, the Chinese aren't our competitors. They're nice people!

Posted by: Joe Biden at March 18, 2020 08:16 PM (COzlW)

235 I didn't even know they had the WHO on their payroll too until it was pointed out here.

WHO Director General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, said on February 28: "Our greatest enemy right now is not the #coronavirus itself. It's fear, rumours and stigma."

Bought and paid for by the Chinese Communist Party.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 18, 2020 08:17 PM (I2/tG)

236
Give Taiwan nukes.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 18, 2020 08:03 PM (oVJmc)









I suspect that Taiwan is like Japan in that they can spin up some nukes VERY quickly.

All we need to do is change the One China policy, and recognize Taiwan as a sovereign country. We can even specify that we don't recognize any claims by the Kuomintang to mainland China, that they'll have to settle for Taiwan alone.

Either way, the ChiComs will lose their shit.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 18, 2020 08:17 PM (EGyGV)

237
Best decision I ever made. Hated dealing with the Chicoms and hated having to fly there for meetings. Filty place. Never saw the sun due to the air pollution.
Posted by: Dansgirls at March 18, 2020 08:16 PM (V25ON)


Did you ever have to shit in a hole instead of a toilet?

I have friends that AREN'T VP's that go to China and that's what they have to do. Go to a restaurant. Where's the restroom? Over there.....Go into the room and it's a single hole on the floor. Better bring your napkin, if you got one.

Posted by: Sponge at March 18, 2020 08:17 PM (Zz0t1)

238 *in

Posted by: Sponge at March 18, 2020 08:18 PM (Zz0t1)

239 If you need anything, J61, let me know. I will keep an eye out locally and can grab something if needed.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at March 18, 2020 08:14 PM (1CjJc)

Thanks flounder. We're doing okay for now, pretty well stocked up on everything for the short term. And same goes for you, if you need anything we can get for you at the exchange or commissary.

Posted by: Jordan61 at March 18, 2020 08:18 PM (6ofTb)

240
It's true.

The Left has admitted and boldly stated they want the USA to return to 1890's technology.



Step One: They turn in their devices.

Step Two: There is no step two.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 18, 2020 08:18 PM (oVJmc)

241 Let's decide whether we're willing to pay more for it. Right now though, most items we buy, we don't get the choice. It's cheap China stuff or nothing.

******************

I'm making that effort now. Whenever I have a choice I buy American. Fuck China.

Same with India. I had the choice of buying cheap dog bowls made in India that some reported might possibly could have had some slight levels of RADIATION, or pay $20 more for an American made dog bowl. I pay the $20 more. Fuck India up the ass too.

Posted by: Two Weeks From Being Made in China at March 18, 2020 08:18 PM (+dsLj)

242 Matt Welch and the Libertarians wrote their critical and negative to response to this proposal many years ago. Free minds, free markets, open borders.

Posted by: steve walsh at March 18, 2020 08:18 PM (ibtv7)

243 Cenk Uygur
@cenkuygur
My wife is from Taiwan, so my kids are half-Chinese. Because of racist assholes like @JohnCornyn & @realDonaldTrump, their classmates are already blaming them for the virus & asking if they eat bats. My 9 year old son even came home & asked me if it was true. It's heart-breaking.

Posted by: Ghost of Qassem Soleimani at March 18, 2020 08:19 PM (TQ70H)

244 @Reuters



Passengers of British coronavirus-hit cruise ship evacuate in Cuba


Cuba has the best health care in the world, what could go wrong.

Posted by: Colin at March 18, 2020 08:19 PM (+ME2/)

245 The thing is, US policy has always been that chemical, biological and nuclear weapons are EQUIVALENT. And since the US doesn't keep chem or bio weapons anymore, there's only one response. Which means that the Chinese are technically flirting with having to invest in developing 6 billion SPF sunblock.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 18, 2020 08:09 PM (EGyGV)

You can talk to Germany after talking to Japan: there are worse things for a nation than getting nuked. And China might feel all of them, if their eunuchs like Bloomberg and Feinstein are flayed alive before cheering crowds.

Posted by: trev006 at March 18, 2020 08:19 PM (mSjr7)

246 Consumers get cheaper goods so can buy more with their paychecks.

Unfortunately they pay higher taxes because all the unemployed workers need welfare now. And unemployment means a lot of young men turning to crime either from desperation or boredom, which means more money spent on police, and more authoritarian law enforcement. Oh, and your paychecks are smaller because you're competing against more workers who will do your job cheaper. And the cheap goods you buy aren't any better quality, and in fact may be worse.

But other than that globalization has been great for American consumers.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at March 18, 2020 08:19 PM (3l7pb)

247 I had an email a while ago, from all all places the Old Town Canoe Co,
telling me what they're doing to address the virus problem.


Where on earth will we store our toilet paper now? *hic*

Posted by: Wine Moms at March 18, 2020 08:20 PM (EgshT)

248 Passengers of British coronavirus-hit cruise ship evacuate in Cuba

****************

Cuba?

Welp that's about a cruise ship's worth of more deaths we can add to the list.

Posted by: Two Weeks From Being Made in China at March 18, 2020 08:20 PM (+dsLj)

249
Same with India. I had the choice of buying cheap dog bowls made in India that some reported might possibly could have had some slight levels of RADIATION, or pay $20 more for an American made dog bowl. I pay the $20 more. Fuck India up the ass too.
Posted by: Two Weeks From Being Made in China at March 18, 2020 08:18 PM (+dsLj)


In the tech world, Poland is the new India. A LOT of tech jobs being moved to Poland. They're willing to do anything, are still cheap, but are VERY scripted.

Posted by: Sponge at March 18, 2020 08:20 PM (Zz0t1)

250 Can't wait for those "polls" feverishly in progress as we speak to begin reporting how Trump is now in danger of losing reelection.

It's the logical next step after the lying and false reporting.

Posted by: Charlie's Horse at March 18, 2020 08:20 PM (qFkYf)

251 Link?
Posted by: Sponge at March 18, 2020 08:13 PM (Zz0t1)

Go watch Airplane!

IIRC, it was Kitten Natividad. Either her or one of the other Russ Meyer models/actresses.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at March 18, 2020 08:21 PM (2B9A/)

252 I predict 0 deaths in Cuba.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at March 18, 2020 08:21 PM (PUmDY)

253 243 Cenk Uygur
@cenkuygur
My wife is from Taiwan, so my kids are half-Chinese. Because of racist assholes like @JohnCornyn & @realDonaldTrump, their classmates are already blaming them for the virus & asking if they eat bats. My 9 year old son even came home & asked me if it was true. It's heart-breaking.
Posted by: Ghost of Qassem Soleimani at March 18, 2020 08:19 PM (TQ70H)

If being from China doesn't make a virus Chinese then why does being from Taiwan make his wife Chinese?

Posted by: 29victor at March 18, 2020 08:21 PM (BJKQV)

254
Cuba?

Welp that's about a cruise ship's worth of more deaths we can add to the list.
Posted by: Two Weeks From Being Made in China at March 18, 2020 08:20 PM (+dsLj)


FANTASTIC!!!! They'll be cured in 3 days.

Posted by: Jaba the MovieMaker at March 18, 2020 08:21 PM (Zz0t1)

255 Cenk Uygur
@cenkuygur
My wife is from Taiwan, so my kids are half-Chinese. Because of racist assholes like @JohnCornyn & @realDonaldTrump, their classmates are already blaming them for the virus & asking if they eat bats. My 9 year old son even came home & asked me if it was true. It's heart-breaking.



A) Horseshit.

B) His kids are more likely to be teased for having a fat ugly goon for a father.

C) Another lib with a made up story.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 18, 2020 08:21 PM (oVJmc)

256 My wife is from Taiwan, so my kids are half-Chinese. Because of racist assholes like @JohnCornyn & @realDonaldTrump, their classmates are already blaming them for the virus & asking if they eat bats. My 9 year old son even came home & asked me if it was true. It's heart-breaking.

**********

What's that circle graph ace likes?

Likelihood that this happened:

No

No, but in yellow

Posted by: Two Weeks From Being Made in China at March 18, 2020 08:21 PM (+dsLj)

257 231 That's nice. Cold and storm front moving in. Predicting white outs on the passes. Snow on Friday here in the valley. I need eggs damnit.
Posted by: Infidel at March 18, 2020 08:16 PM (XG6D3)


My brother sort of "inherited" some hens when a neighbor moved away. All in all it's more expensive to keep chickens yourself than just buy eggs at the store, but his wife is now attached to the chickens, so it's been a running family joke.

Jokes on us, I guess. He's the only one on his street with eggs.

Posted by: Ace's liver at March 18, 2020 08:21 PM (wGeit)

258 Let's decide whether we're willing to pay more for it. Right now though, most items we buy, we don't get the choice. It's cheap China stuff or nothing.

******************

I'm making that effort now. Whenever I have a choice I buy American. Fuck China.

Same with India. I had the choice of buying cheap dog bowls made in India that some reported might possibly could have had some slight levels of RADIATION, or pay $20 more for an American made dog bowl. I pay the $20 more. Fuck India up the ass too.
Posted by: Two Weeks From Being Made in China at March 18, 2020 08:18 PM (+dsLj)


I'm not predicting, but maybe this is the sunshine that comes out of these clouds. More Americans looking for and DEMANDING retailers stock American made products.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 18, 2020 08:21 PM (hku12)

259 >>>"Did you ever have to shit in a hole instead of a toilet? "

Interestingly enough, I did this in Japan when I was in the NAVY.

Never had to in China or anywhere else in Asia.

Posted by: Dansgirls at March 18, 2020 08:22 PM (V25ON)

260 China Lobby.
Time to cancel these Corporate Welfare Dependents


Because 1/2 a fiscal quarter later you have to trade deal again.

Posted by: DaveA at March 18, 2020 08:22 PM (FhXTo)

261 @cenkuygur
My wife is from Taiwan, so my kids are half-Chinese. Because of racist assholes like @JohnCornyn & @realDonaldTrump, their classmates are already blaming them for the virus & asking if they eat bats. My 9 year old son even came home & asked me if it was true. It's heart-breaking.
Posted by: Ghost of Qassem Soleimani at March 18, 2020 08:19 PM (TQ70H)


I'll take "Things that didn't happen" for $400, Alex.

Posted by: Sponge at March 18, 2020 08:22 PM (Zz0t1)

262 243 Cenk Uygur
@cenkuygur
My wife is from Taiwan, so my kids are half-Chinese. Because of racist assholes like @JohnCornyn & @realDonaldTrump, their classmates are already blaming them for the virus
Posted by: Ghost of Qassem Soleimani

----

Bold talk from a POS that stated bestiality is A-okay.

Posted by: Tonypete at March 18, 2020 08:22 PM (Y4EXg)

263 255 Cenk Uygur
@cenkuygur
My wife is from Taiwan, so my kids are half-Chinese. Because of racist assholes like @JohnCornyn & @realDonaldTrump, their classmates are already blaming them for the virus & asking if they eat bats. My 9 year old son even came home & asked me if it was true. It's heart-breaking.


A) Horseshit.

B) His kids are more likely to be teased for having a fat ugly goon for a father.

C) Another lib with a made up story.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 18, 2020 08:21 PM (oVJmc)


Seems like a good time to use the "didn't happen" pie chart.

Posted by: Ace's liver at March 18, 2020 08:22 PM (wGeit)

264 If being from China doesn't make a virus Chinese then why does being from Taiwan make his wife Chinese?

Posted by: 29victor at March 18, 2020 08:21 PM (BJKQV)


Well done!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 18, 2020 08:22 PM (BiNEL)

265 Most primary votes for an incumbent, ever!

Posted by: Infidel at March 18, 2020 08:22 PM (XG6D3)

266 "...but I'm not sure what we're supposed to be looking at to estimate when we're going to get the okay to go back to normal life"

This is the new normal, and the economic depression that will follow. Think how many things became much more crazy after 9-11; travel became absurdly convoluted security theater, but we let in more Muslims since that time than for our entire national history previous to it.

This hysteria will set up things no one will have ever anticipated, bad things.

Posted by: no one in particular at March 18, 2020 08:22 PM (Jhqq9)

267 My wife is from Taiwan, so my kids are half-Chinese. Because of racist assholes like @JohnCornyn & @realDonaldTrump, their classmates are already blaming them for the virus & asking if they eat bats. My 9 year old son even came home & asked me if it was true. It's heart-breaking.

Posted by: Ghost of Qassem Soleimani at March 18, 2020 08:19 PM (TQ70H)

Cenk, you quivering pussy. The correct answer is, "yes, those evil pricks did it, but you're not fucking Chinese. Your mom is from the Republic of China. So fuck China, and go Taiwan!"

His kid would be the most popular dude in school after that.

Posted by: trev006 at March 18, 2020 08:23 PM (mSjr7)

268 We should be moving all these American companies back into our hemisphere

The average monthly wage in Colombia is close to $600. There are 450 million people in South America. Let's move what we can to the US and move the rest to Central and South America

That will help build up their economy and then we also help solve the southern border problem as well.

If you can be middle wage in Colombia, Brazil, Nicaragua etc you probably won't need to come illegally to the US.

Posted by: ClarenceWhorley at March 18, 2020 08:23 PM (jD0xI)

269 Somehow I doubt teachers are allowing that to happen to Asian kids. Now kids wearing maga hats, well that is fair game.

Posted by: Pliney at March 18, 2020 08:23 PM (nzKWW)

270 Aren't Libertarians the ones who claim that their decisions and principles don't hurt anybody else?

Posted by: it begins... at March 18, 2020 08:23 PM (a5D9R)

271 Passengers of British coronavirus-hit cruise ship evacuate in Cuba

https://tinyurl.com/uuqxgdb
Posted by: Tami at March 18, 2020 08:14 PM (cF8AT)

Gosh, how lucky can you get! Paradise!

Posted by: Liberals Everywhere at March 18, 2020 08:23 PM (2GPSc)

272 Speaking of the Poles...Their fight trying to keep the hordes out isn't even mentioned in our press. It should be a big story, but its not. The videos I see are impressive, what the Poles are doing, fighting back at the border.

Posted by: Colin at March 18, 2020 08:23 PM (+ME2/)

273 Cuba has the best health care in the world, what could go wrong.

Posted by: Colin at March 18, 2020 08:19 PM (+ME2/)

Cuba?

Welp that's about a cruise ship's worth of more deaths we can add to the list.

Posted by: Two Weeks From Being Made in China at March 18, 2020 08:20 PM (+dsLj)


There's a guy on twitter telling me that Cuba has better healthcare. I told him yeah, there's a steady stream of people going to Cuba for 'better healthcare'. He then send me a link to a Huffpo article about the WHO praising Cuba's healthcare.

Posted by: Tami at March 18, 2020 08:23 PM (cF8AT)

274 I decided to take a chance on my life and venture out to the liquor store. The place was fully stocked. I survived and back in the cozy confines of my bunker.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 18, 2020 08:23 PM (r+sAi)

275 244 @Reuters 



Passengers of British coronavirus-hit cruise ship evacuate in Cuba 


Cuba has the best health care in the world, what could go wrong


=====

And I have the scars on my arm from Russian made vaccines to prove it.

Posted by: Floridachick at March 18, 2020 08:24 PM (tyJ60)

276
Go watch Airplane!

IIRC, it was Kitten Natividad. Either her or one of the other Russ Meyer models/actresses.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at March 18, 2020 08:21 PM (2B9A/)


LOVE Airplane! Best movie ever.

Posted by: Sponge at March 18, 2020 08:24 PM (Zz0t1)

277 243 Cenk Uygur
@cenkuygur
My wife is from Taiwan, so my kids are half-Chinese. Because of racist assholes like @JohnCornyn & @realDonaldTrump, their classmates are already blaming them for the virus & asking if they eat bats. My 9 year old son even came home & asked me if it was true. It's heart-breaking.


fuck you, you lying sack of shit.

I don't believe a word you say. you make up shit when it suits your story.

go fuck yourself. and fuck you twice for using your kid.

assfuck

Posted by: nurse ratched at March 18, 2020 08:24 PM (PkVlr)

278 So serious question... what determines when the government gives the 'all clear' and everything goes back to normal?





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Maybe when infection rate drops to a minimum.

Posted by: runner at March 18, 2020 08:08 PM (zr5Kq)


My fear is so many politicians are getting off on acting like dictators that they might keep this going. We need to keep the shut downs in place longer just to be sure we don't get another surge in cases

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 18, 2020 08:24 PM (ENSZ9)

279 No

No, but in yellow


*taps foot* "Yellow"?!

Posted by: t-bird at March 18, 2020 08:24 PM (CDGwz)

280 Not to be overly smug, but all of us who have been made fun of for the last 20 years for avoiding buying stuff made in China seem to have been a wee bit ahead of the curve...

Posted by: Pete at March 18, 2020 08:24 PM (YD0F1)

281 One of my ukuleles is made in China gees. Is it a Corukulele?

Posted by: Cannibal Blob at March 18, 2020 08:24 PM (7ZMbn)

282
assfuck
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 18, 2020 08:24 PM (PkVlr)


We're listening.

Posted by: River Otter Order 354 at March 18, 2020 08:25 PM (Zz0t1)

283 Is NAFTA the Libertarians fault too?

I would say no.

Who cares though, we are all gonna die!

Posted by: nip at March 18, 2020 08:25 PM (cpS4u)

284 243 Cenk Uygur
@cenkuygur
My wife is from Taiwan, so my kids are half-Chinese. Because of racist assholes like @JohnCornyn & @realDonaldTrump, their classmates are already blaming them for the virus & asking if they eat bats. My 9 year old son even came home & asked me if it was true. It's heart-breaking.

Posted by: Ghost of Qassem Soleimani at March 18, 2020 08:19 PM (TQ70H)

The schools are closed lol. What a dumbass.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 18, 2020 08:25 PM (j3npP)

285 Cenk Uygur
@cenkuygur
My wife is from Taiwan, so my kids are half-Chinese. Because of racist assholes like @JohnCornyn & @realDonaldTrump, their classmates are already blaming them for the virus & asking if they eat bats. My 9 year old son even came home & asked me if it was true. It's heart-breaking.
Posted by: Ghost of Qassem Soleimani at March 18, 2020 08:19 PM (TQ70H)


You know how there are some people, after they get caught engaging in some unspeakable crime, people look at them and say "yeah, I can see it."

This guy's got one of those coming in his future.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 18, 2020 08:25 PM (hku12)

286 None of my medications has any indication of country of origin.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 18, 2020 07:59 PM (aKsyK)


Apparently there's quite a bit of conflict between Customs and the FDA over Country of Origin labeling requirements, the result being we don't see where the active ingredients are coming from.

Posted by: GnuBreed at March 18, 2020 08:25 PM (XF4b8)

287 261 @cenkuygur
My wife is from Taiwan, so my kids are half-Chinese. Because of racist assholes like @JohnCornyn & @realDonaldTrump, their classmates are already blaming them for the virus & asking if they eat bats. My 9 year old son even came home & asked me if it was true. It's heart-breaking.
Posted by: Ghost of Qassem Soleimani at March 18, 2020 08:19 PM (TQ70H)

I'll take "Things that didn't happen" for $400, Alex.

Posted by: Sponge at March 18, 2020 08:22 PM (Zz0t1)


https://tinyurl.com/vfueley

Posted by: Tami at March 18, 2020 08:25 PM (cF8AT)

288 Bold talk from a POS that stated bestiality is A-okay.
Posted by: Tonypete at March 18, 2020 08:22 PM (Y4EXg)

He also denies the Armenian Genocide and named his show after the group that committed said genocide.

So, yeah, he's a POS.

Posted by: 29victor at March 18, 2020 08:25 PM (BJKQV)

289 279 No

No, but in yellow

*taps foot* "Yellow"?!
Posted by: t-bird at March 18, 2020 08:24 PM (CDGwz)

*golf clap*

I guess e are lucky this is not Yellow Fever.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at March 18, 2020 08:25 PM (2B9A/)

290 Pssst, Cenk, the Chinese do eat bats. And cute little fluffy puppies with pleading eyes. Also, kids say the darnedest things.

Posted by: JuJuBee at March 18, 2020 08:25 PM (COzlW)

291 Somehow I doubt teachers are allowing that to happen to Asian kids. Now kids wearing maga hats, well that is fair game.

Posted by: Pliney at March 18, 2020 08:23 PM (nzKWW)

I wonder. Japanese and Korean kids can turn junkyard-dog mean to the wrong type of foreigner, and right now the Chinese are the wrong type. I'd wash my kid's mouth out for lying, but the blessings of diversity might make this thing true.

Posted by: trev006 at March 18, 2020 08:25 PM (mSjr7)

292 272 Bring back the Lancers.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at March 18, 2020 08:25 PM (C1Lsn)

293 The videos I see are impressive, what the Poles are doing, fighting back at the border.

Posted by: Colin at March 18, 2020 08:23 PM (+ME2/)


There's a great interview with the unapologetic President of Poland on YouTube!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 18, 2020 08:26 PM (BiNEL)

294 ChiCom delenda est

Posted by: Methos at March 18, 2020 08:26 PM (kOpft)

295 Remember when Cenk called a bunch of kids racist because they wore a red hat.
F that guy.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 18, 2020 08:26 PM (r+sAi)

296 >>>Passengers of British coronavirus-hit cruise ship evacuate in Cuba

I'd say no thanks, I'll take my chances on the ship.

Posted by: Mark1971 at March 18, 2020 08:26 PM (xPl2J)

297 LOVE Airplane! Best movie ever.

**************

What do you make of this?

Well, I can make a hat, or a broach, or a teradactyl!

Posted by: Two Weeks From Being Made in China at March 18, 2020 08:26 PM (+dsLj)

298 Cenk Uygur
@cenkuygur
My wife is from Taiwan, so my kids are half-Chinese. Because of racist assholes like @JohnCornyn & @realDonaldTrump, their classmates are already blaming them for the virus & asking if they eat bats.

Well, do they?

If they do, please ask them to stop. Have a cheeseburger for crying out loud.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 18, 2020 08:27 PM (Z+IKu)

299 @cenkuygur

My wife is from Taiwan, so my kids are half-Chinese. Because of
racist assholes like @JohnCornyn @realDonaldTrump, their
classmates are already blaming them for the virus asking if they
eat bats. My 9 year old son even came home asked me if it was
true. It's heart-breaking.

Posted by: Ghost of Qassem Soleimani at March 18, 2020 08:19 PM (TQ70H)


Let me guess their parents were the ones who Ana what's her name heard on election day being a racisty


Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 18, 2020 08:27 PM (ENSZ9)

300

https://tinyurl.com/vfueley
Posted by: Tami at March 18, 2020 08:25 PM (cF8AT)


Well done.

Posted by: Sponge at March 18, 2020 08:27 PM (Zz0t1)

301 We should be moving all these American companies back into our hemisphere

No, we should be moving those companies and their payrolls back here to the US.

Who gives a rat's ass about some other country? If they want what we have, they can have it on their own. I'm not paying for it.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #CancelChina at March 18, 2020 08:27 PM (HaL55)

302 So did that asshole ever answer the question as to whether they eat bats?

Posted by: Cannibal Blob at March 18, 2020 08:27 PM (7ZMbn)

303 221
I expect when the "new case" # declines for 2 or 3 days in a row, we'll
see at least a partial all-clear and modification or ending of several
restrictions. Assuming the level of hospitalized has not caused a real
crisis, and no other factors are red. We'll see. Won't be surprised if
it's soon.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 18, 2020 08:14 PM (El6T/)

---
The closings and restrictions have a specific date where they will be revisited.

So this isn't open-ended as some claim.

In Michigan, it's the first week of April. By then, we will have had two weeks of tracking to see where things are.

If the cases are stable or falling, than it will have worked, the spread will have been checked, and we'll be able to lift the restrictions.

Conversely, if it keeps jumping up, the measures will likely have to be tightened or abandoned. It will depend.

I do find it weird that Michigan's restrictions haven't been in place for a week and people are expecting Road Warrior societal collapse.

Chill.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at March 18, 2020 08:27 PM (cfSRQ)

304 nurse, you had me at 'fuck you!'

Posted by: Infidel at March 18, 2020 08:28 PM (XG6D3)

305 Just wait until the kids at the school find out about Armenian genocide.

Posted by: Mark1971 at March 18, 2020 08:28 PM (xPl2J)

306 Concur, all. Every word.

Bravo. (Hat tip)

Posted by: DocJ at March 18, 2020 08:28 PM (DUY6n)

307 I'll take "Things that didn't happen" for $400, Alex.



Posted by: Sponge at March 18, 2020 08:22 PM (Zz0t1)

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If that comes up Daily Double, I'll go for the max, Alex.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at March 18, 2020 08:28 PM (cfSRQ)

308
What do you make of this?

Well, I can make a hat, or a broach, or a teradactyl!
Posted by: Two Weeks From Being Made in China at March 18, 2020 08:26 PM (+dsLj)


The TOWER?? THE TOWER??!!! RAPUNZEL!!!! RAPUNZEL!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge at March 18, 2020 08:28 PM (Zz0t1)

309 Not to be overly smug, but all of us who have been made fun of for the last 20 years for avoiding buying stuff made in China seem to have been a wee bit ahead of the curve...

**********

I say you all well earned the right to spike the football.

Posted by: Two Weeks From Being Made in China at March 18, 2020 08:28 PM (+dsLj)

310
Well, we've got our first COngress critter who has tested positive for corona.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8128469

Florida Man, of course. Rep. Mario Diaz-Balart.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at March 18, 2020 08:29 PM (rCwaK)

311 And same goes for you, if you need anything we can get for you at the exchange or commissary.

Posted by: Jordan61 at March 18, 2020 08:18 PM (6ofTb)

Will do, thank you.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at March 18, 2020 08:29 PM (1CjJc)

312
There's a great interview with the unapologetic President of Poland on YouTube!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 18, 2020 08:26 PM (BiNEL)

i want to send the link to a Polock friend. Link please?

Posted by: Cannibal Blob at March 18, 2020 08:29 PM (7ZMbn)

313 >>So did that asshole ever answer the question as to whether they eat bats?

Been wondering the same thing, Bob.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 18, 2020 08:29 PM (ZLI7S)

314 Just wait until the kids at the school find out about Armenian genocide.

Posted by: Mark1971 at March 18, 2020 08:28 PM (xPl2J)


Pro-Tip: Don't hold your breath!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 18, 2020 08:30 PM (BiNEL)

315 I do find it weird that Michigan's restrictions
haven't been in place for a week and people are expecting Road Warrior
societal collapse.

Chill.


Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at March 18, 2020 08:27 PM (cfSRQ)


I know! I have my colander face mask fitting on Friday, how about you?

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Is Sponsoring Methcalibur - The Musical!! at March 18, 2020 08:30 PM (qobvn)

316 Not to be overly smug, but all of us who have been
made fun of for the last 20 years for avoiding buying stuff made in
China seem to have been a wee bit ahead of the curve...

Posted by: Pete at March 18, 2020 08:24 PM (YD0F1)


That's my wife and her family. They'll buy it from any other shithole like Vietnam but refuse to buy anything made in China

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 18, 2020 08:30 PM (ENSZ9)

317 Passengers of British coronavirus-hit cruise ship evacuate in Cuba

Remember, Cuba has that magic antiviral drug that the Americans refuse to import, because there would be no profit in it for the pharmaceutical companies.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 18, 2020 08:30 PM (I2/tG)

318 I see...I see a fat man with dark hair, name is Clench? Anyway, he's...he's...I see a hotel room, gay male escort named Sugarsack, but this Clench man is throwing up, incoherent, piles of drugs everywhere...the police are busting down the door.

That'll be $20, same as in town.

Posted by: Gypsy with Crystal meth ball at March 18, 2020 08:30 PM (COzlW)

319 There's a great interview with the unapologetic President of Poland on YouTube!

Yes, that "reporter" kept berating him as he answered every question with zero! What do you mean you aren't helping those kids (really men) from getting into your country, how dare you!

Posted by: Colin at March 18, 2020 08:31 PM (+ME2/)

320 Local law enforcement shot a local, long rap sheet, brandishing a knife and gun, criminal 8 times last night. There will be no trial.

Posted by: Infidel at March 18, 2020 08:31 PM (XG6D3)

321 Pretty much every retail store in the mall has sent me a notice that they are closing til April. I hardly go to the mall anyways mostly ordering clothes on line. Are these stores ever going to come back? And yes, reducing store hours for stocking and cleaning makes sense but also means lost work hours for day staff.
It has gotten to the point where there is no cost benefit analysis. So somewhere around 100 people have died in the US but my retirement account which took my entire work life to accumulate is down at least 25% and workers are being layed off, businesses forced to close and may never reopen. This is just nuts.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 18, 2020 08:31 PM (QzF6i)

322 301 We should be moving all these American companies back into our hemisphere

No, we should be moving those companies and their payrolls back here to the US.

Who gives a rat's ass about some other country? If they want what we have, they can have it on their own. I'm not paying for it.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #CancelChina at March 18, 2020 08:27 PM (HaL55)


That's sort of where I've been for awhile now. It's true, globalization creates more wealth in the aggregate. But I'm a lot less concerned about wealth getting created in China and Mexico than in the US. And I want to see jobs to go along with that wealth.

Posted by: Ace's liver at March 18, 2020 08:31 PM (wGeit)

323
The Left has admitted and boldly stated they want the USA to return to 1890's technology.
Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a gentle glide applicator tip


Dr. Loveless invented the iPhone.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 18, 2020 08:32 PM (aKsyK)

324
There's a great interview with the unapologetic President of Poland on YouTube!

Yes,
that "reporter" kept berating him as he answered every question with
zero! What do you mean you aren't helping those kids (really men) from
getting into your country, how dare you!


Posted by: Colin at March 18, 2020 08:31 PM (+ME2/)


He's awesome

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 18, 2020 08:32 PM (ENSZ9)

325 Just wait until the kids at the school find out about Armenian genocide.

The school no kids are going to, because they've all been closed

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 18, 2020 08:33 PM (KZzsI)

326 Goodnight everyone, tomorrow will be another adventure in the apocalypse

Can't wait

Posted by: Skip at March 18, 2020 08:33 PM (ZCEU2)

327 Step One in this process should be to get out of Japan's politics and let them re-arm. It would take them a few years to get all the hikikomori squared away and on the program, but I think that having a nice, powerful Imperial Navy prowling the western Pacific (and perhaps floating a nice, powerful Imperial Army along with them) would be just what the doctor ordered for China.

Posted by: Pennsyltucky at March 18, 2020 08:33 PM (zgq3t)

328 People jumping all over Chump Uglier, particularly pointing out that skoolz are closed.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 18, 2020 08:33 PM (oVJmc)

329 "When the Chinese stop using the identifier 'African swine fever virus', we will consider something other than 'Wuhan coronavirus'"

Posted by: SMOD at March 18, 2020 08:33 PM (X5CsJ)

330 Finished building my super computer, parts almost all from China, the chip (AMD) from Malaysia. No USA parts!
Posted by: Colin at March 18, 2020 07:50 PM (+ME2/)

Great! Now shove your dick in the USB port.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 18, 2020 08:34 PM (miJU3)

331 315 I do find it weird that Michigan's restrictions
haven't been in place for a week and people are expecting Road Warrior
societal collapse.

Chill.


Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at March 18, 2020 08:27 PM (cfSRQ)


I know! I have my colander face mask fitting on Friday, how about you?
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Is Sponsoring Methcalibur - The Musical!! at March 18, 2020 08:30 PM (qobvn)

Colander face mask, with the lower half of the inside covered in paper.

Yes, a home made mask to protect against duh Coronas!

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 18, 2020 08:34 PM (NgKpN)

332 324
There's a great interview with the unapologetic President of Poland on YouTube!

Yes,
that "reporter" kept berating him as he answered every question with
zero! What do you mean you aren't helping those kids (really men) from
getting into your country, how dare you!


Posted by: Colin at March 18, 2020 08:31 PM (+ME2/)


He's awesome
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 18, 2020 08:32 PM (ENSZ9)


The open borders crowd is flummoxed when they hear a clear and unequivocal "no", particularly when accusations of racism and xenophobia get laughed off as well.

Posted by: Ace's liver at March 18, 2020 08:34 PM (wGeit)

333 My wife is from Taiwan, so my kids are half-Chinese. Because of
racist assholes like @JohnCornyn @realDonaldTrump, their
classmates are already blaming them for the virus asking if they
eat bats. My 9 year old son even came home asked me if it was
true. It's heart-breaking.

yp, jackwad

Posted by: REDACTED at March 18, 2020 08:34 PM (rpxSz)

334
The TOWER?? THE TOWER??!!! RAPUNZEL!!!! RAPUNZEL!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge at March 18, 2020 08:28 PM (Zz0t1)

---
Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at March 18, 2020 08:34 PM (cfSRQ)

335 i want to send the link to a Polock friend. Link please?

Posted by: Cannibal Blob at March 18, 2020 08:29 PM (7ZMbn)

I might be wrong, that it was the President, but here is a link to a Polish MP:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=TYSX2vI7oPk

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 18, 2020 08:34 PM (BiNEL)

336 "It Comes from CHI-na"

-my President

Posted by: deplorable unperson - No Coronavirus On Mars! at March 18, 2020 08:35 PM (LJes8)

337 Business partner is applying for a SBA loan. All events for April have been cancelled and cancellations coming in for May. Not good for an Event company. I'm expecting another phone call tonight with more details.

Posted by: Infidel at March 18, 2020 08:35 PM (XG6D3)

338 @cenkuygur
My wife is from Taiwan, so my kids are half-Chinese.

--

Ahh, that explains it. Mail order bride. I wondered who'd actually marry that ape shape.

Posted by: Lady in Black at March 18, 2020 08:35 PM (JoUsr)

339 My 9 year old son even came home asked me if it was
true. It's heart-breaking.

yp, jackwad

Posted by: REDACTED at March 18, 2020 08:34 PM (rpxSz)

\
Notice he doesn't say what his answer was!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 18, 2020 08:35 PM (BiNEL)

340 as has been the typical fall back on the right
What is this "the right" of which you speak, Mr. ThinkPiece Writer?

China-skeptical conservatives, despite being previously berated
Who are these "conservatives" of whom you speak, Mr. ThinkPiece Writer?

These words used by Mr Bonchie, I don't recognize any more.

Posted by: Hands at March 18, 2020 08:35 PM (786Ro)

341 My fear is so many politicians are getting off on acting like dictators that they might keep this going. We need to keep the shut downs in place longer just to be sure we don't get another surge in cases

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 18, 2020 08:24 PM

What does a "surge in cases" even mean?

Like I said, all I have to go on is the CDC numbers from things like H1N1 and seasonal flu. For those viruses, the average daily cases was 160,000+.

We only have 220,000 cases total for this COVID-19.

Yet, we went from normal to shut down the country within about a week. Over 220,000 total worldwide cases.

If our system could handle an average of 160,000 cases per day of H1N1 and seasonal flu, why in the world are we so freaked out about a few thousand cases of COVID-19?

Posted by: Clyde Shelton, a law abiding citizen at March 18, 2020 08:36 PM (Do5/p)

342 ---
Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at March 18, 2020 08:34 PM (cfSRQ)


When Kramer hears about this, the shit's really gonna hit the fan.

Posted by: Sponge at March 18, 2020 08:36 PM (Zz0t1)

343 There's a big Chinese flight school in the PHX area and I'd be sooo happy to see them gone. Scourge the are.

Posted by: DBCooper at March 18, 2020 08:36 PM (bttOm)

344
I guess we'll shut down Congress now. Which will be a good thing.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at March 18, 2020 08:36 PM (rCwaK)

345 I lied for the chirruns.

Posted by: Cenk Uygur at March 18, 2020 08:36 PM (EgshT)

346 I remember when I was a kid a ton of stuff being made in Japan. I distinctly remember asking my pop why nothing was made in America.

He said, because Americans like cheap stuff. and it's just started.

I hate cheap plastic shit. never bought it for my kids. don't buy it for myself. I don't buy designer stuff, it is mostly made in China. You have to look hard, but you can find good stuff made elsewhere.

CHristmas lights, on the other hand.....

Posted by: nurse ratched at March 18, 2020 08:36 PM (PkVlr)

347
If our system could handle an average of 160,000 cases per day of H1N1 and seasonal flu, why in the world are we so freaked out about a few thousand cases of COVID-19?
Posted by: Clyde Shelton, a law abiding citizen at March 18, 2020 08:36 PM (Do5/p)

Media.

Posted by: Someguy at March 18, 2020 08:37 PM (Zm+LZ)

348 Hey Cenk. You're supposed to play the "America's RAYCISSSS" card when you're RUNNING for office. Not after you get your ass handed to you.

Asshole.

Posted by: Sponge at March 18, 2020 08:37 PM (Zz0t1)

349 I was reading through the threads and lost the comment that piqued my interest. The Manufacturing Moron who mentioned having operations in the Philippines, not China: exactly right! There are countries that have cheap labor but don't have a national philosophy of theft and lies.

Posted by: NaughtyPine at March 18, 2020 08:37 PM (/+bwe)

350 Before Wuhan virus, I was actually very unaware of how much the USA relied on China for our medicines. It's been extremely eye-opening and downright terrifying knowing so much of our pharmaceuticals come from this Communist country. I had no clue...and this must change immediately. Our politicians have to be the stupidest people on earth for putting us in peril like that.

Posted by: Lady in Black at March 18, 2020 07:53 PM (JoUsr)

--

Now guess who our spy agencies, federal offices, and military buys our computer parts from.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Americans have gone bat soup crazy at March 18, 2020 08:37 PM (tsO04)

351 Posted by: Ace's liver at March 18, 2020 08:34 PM (wGeit)

One line was something like

"How many Polish immigrants to the USA have killed American citizens with bombs? None, because we don't let Muslims into Poland!"

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 18, 2020 08:38 PM (BiNEL)

352 China launched biological weapons on a global scale and the first doctor that sounded the alarm spoke of evil people trying to reduce the population by means of this engineered virus.


Right before the Chinese government killed him.


Count me in on TeamCancelChina.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - No Coronavirus On Mars! at March 18, 2020 08:38 PM (LJes8)

353
Step One in this process should be to get out of Japan's politics and let them re-arm.

They will say that their constitution doesn't allow it.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 18, 2020 08:38 PM (aKsyK)

354 Yet, we went from normal to shut down the country within about a week. Over 220,000 total worldwide cases.



If our system could handle an average of 160,000 cases per day of
H1N1 and seasonal flu, why in the world are we so freaked out about a
few thousand cases of COVID-19?

Posted by: Clyde Shelton, a law abiding citizen at March 18, 2020 08:36 PM (Do5/p)

---
Because the downside risk (temporary economic dislocation) is less than the upside risk of a massive pandemic that crashes our entire health care system.

The stock market can come back.

People can get new jobs.

Death is permanent.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at March 18, 2020 08:38 PM (cfSRQ)

355 The otters called us half-breeds.

Posted by: Cenk Uygur at March 18, 2020 08:39 PM (EgshT)

356 If our system could handle an average of 160,000 cases per day of H1N1 and seasonal flu, why in the world are we so freaked out about a few thousand cases of COVID-19?
Posted by: Clyde Shelton, a law abiding citizen at March 18, 2020 08:36 PM (Do5/p)


500 people died from COVID-19 in Italy yesterday. This isn't a flu.

Posted by: Ace's liver at March 18, 2020 08:39 PM (wGeit)

357 Funny that I have been ordering some meds from Canada for years and they were all made either in Great Britain, Singapore or New Zealand but none from China.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 18, 2020 08:39 PM (QzF6i)

358 What about those videos allegedly showing people collapsing in heaps by the dozens on the streets of China? Have we seen anything akin to that in other countries?
Posted by: Muldoon at March 18, 2020 07:51 PM (m45I2)

Really, how hard would it be to fake those videos? Dude #1 with cellphone camera. Dudes 2 through X, fall down on cue, 50 yards away from lens of shitty cellphone camera. Chicoms "let" these forbidden videos escape, so as to strike fear into the hearts of Westerners, as the WuFlu is spread to our shoes. It worked, didn't it?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 18, 2020 08:40 PM (miJU3)

359 One line was something like



"How many Polish immigrants to the USA have killed American citizens
with bombs? None, because we don't let Muslims into Poland!"

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 18, 2020 08:38 PM (BiNEL)

---
The Poles are great. All the Visegrad countries are red-pilled in the extreme.

The Czechs have adopted a Second Amendment-type law to make it easier to arm their people.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at March 18, 2020 08:40 PM (cfSRQ)

360 Oh wow!

99% of Those Who Died From Virus Had Other Illness, Italy Says

snip~

The new study could provide insight into why Italy's death rate, at about 8% of total infected people, is higher than in other countries.

The Rome-based institute has examined medical records of about 18% of the country's coronavirus fatalities, finding that just three victims, or 0.8% of the total, had no previous pathology. Almost half of the victims suffered from at least three prior illnesses and about a fourth had either one or two previous conditions.

More than 75% had high blood pressure, about 35% had diabetes and a third suffered from heart disease.

https://tinyurl.com/vf9s4qd

Warning: It's a Bloomberg article

Posted by: Tami at March 18, 2020 08:40 PM (cF8AT)

361 China's 'wet markets' sell wild animals for human consumption. This is barely one step up from selling roadkill.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 18, 2020 08:40 PM (oVJmc)

362 Now guess who our spy agencies, federal offices, and military buys our computer parts from.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Americans have gone bat soup crazy at March 18, 2020 08:37 PM (tsO04


Not to worry, Elaine and Mitch have got this covered!

Posted by: Commissar Huawei Hrothgar 5G Sales Rep at March 18, 2020 08:40 PM (BiNEL)

363 @cenkuygur

My wife is from Taiwan, so my kids are half-Chinese.


no, dip shit.


They're half-Formosan.


How you like the "new rules", asswipe?

Posted by: deplorable unperson - No Coronavirus On Mars! at March 18, 2020 08:40 PM (LJes8)

364 Because the downside risk (temporary economic dislocation) is less than the upside risk of a massive pandemic that crashes our entire health care system.

The stock market can come back.

People can get new jobs.

Death is permanent.

-----------

But you only get to play this card once, so you better be sure this is the time to play it.

Next time, we will wait for the massive amounts of deaths - and I'm not sure that isn't the right response anyway. We can mobilize quickly if needed.

Posted by: SH at March 18, 2020 08:40 PM (sUTds)

365 292 272 Bring back the Lancers.
Posted by: bill in Arkansas



My high school's sports teams were called the Lancers.

Posted by: Puddleglum at March 18, 2020 08:40 PM (8JgZK)

366 The greedy politicians, fcking dem-commies, and CoC whores very happily externalized all the costs of selling out to china. In return for piles of sweet graft, we got cheap shitty products for which many Americans paid a huge cost in lost jobs, decaying small towns, despair, drug use, destroyed lives, etc, etc. And we all wind up paying the price for more welfare programs, increased crime, etc, etc. That box of shit screws from Home Despot that strip out or cheap undercrackers that rip in a month from BallzMart cost all of bigly. I hope we can turn it around, and Trump's cleansing fire is nigh miraculous, but he can't do it all himself and it will take political will that I doubt we have.

Posted by: Drink Like Vikings at March 18, 2020 08:40 PM (smxnK)

367 @cenkuygur
My wife is from Taiwan...



Male Order Bride?

Posted by: Hands at March 18, 2020 08:40 PM (786Ro)

368 Really, how hard would it be to fake those videos?
Dude #1 with cellphone camera. Dudes 2 through X, fall down on cue, 50
yards away from lens of shitty cellphone camera. Chicoms "let" these
forbidden videos escape, so as to strike fear into the hearts of
Westerners, as the WuFlu is spread to our shoes. It worked, didn't it?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 18, 2020 08:40 PM (miJU3)

---
Riiiight, because Communist dictatorships would purposefully release videos showing that their official propaganda is all lies.

Pull my other finger.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at March 18, 2020 08:41 PM (cfSRQ)

369 And does it seem odd to anyone else that the media is just going along with the narrative from President Trump and his doctors on the seriousness of this virus and the need to shut down the country? Wouldn't you expect them to do the opposite? Like accuse him of being hitler-esque and creating fear and hysteria to take more control over the country in an election year?

Yet, they are taking the complete opposite tact. Believing everything they say about the seriousness of this and instead just criticizing the way he's handling the "crisis".

I dunno. Just none of this makes any sense.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton, a law abiding citizen at March 18, 2020 08:41 PM (Do5/p)

370 I totally believe kids are teasing his kids. It's what kids do. If I was 9 again I would be both grossed out and have the giggles over eating bats. And if there was a Chinese kid nearby, I would tease him. I wouldn't be asking, "Say, are you half Taiwanese and have a jerk for a father?"

Posted by: JuJuBee at March 18, 2020 08:41 PM (COzlW)

371 I am related by marriage to a lot of Chinese, but they are of the Hong Kong variety, and they are some of the nicest people I know.
They have been through hell this past year.
Some of them have relocated to the US or Canada.
The ones that are still there are suffering, especially the Christians.

Posted by: navybrat, at large at March 18, 2020 08:41 PM (w7KSn)

372 Our politicians have to be the stupidest people on earth for putting us in peril like that.


I wish it was only stupidity. A lot of those congresscretins are in on the corruption.


There was one whose name escapes me at the moment who was once thought of as a staunch conservative ally. He did a 180 faster than I've ever seen before. He turned against the Republicans.


I'll think of his name in a bit...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #CancelChina at March 18, 2020 08:41 PM (HaL55)

373 Notice he doesn't say what his answer was!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 18, 2020 08:35 PM (BiNEL)

yep, fuck him

Posted by: REDACTED at March 18, 2020 08:42 PM (rpxSz)

374 All this bullshit makes me want to pound some people's faces in with my bare hands. This is not a healthy thing. So I think I'll go do something else for awhile.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at March 18, 2020 08:42 PM (NWiLs)

375 He owns an tool importing company.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #CancelChina at March 18, 2020 08:42 PM (HaL55)

376 About 108 million Americans have other Illnesses. We aren't called Burgers for nothing.

Posted by: it begins... at March 18, 2020 08:42 PM (a5D9R)

377 Here Come the Warm Jets.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at March 18, 2020 08:42 PM (PUmDY)

378 Say, weren't we planning on shipping more and more agricultural products to China?
Wasn't that supposed to "save" the domestic agriculture sector?
How exactly is that going to work out in this new paradigm of "isolating" China?
I had mused just after the deal was signed to end the trade war that perhaps it might not be such a good idea to invest so much in selling to a "hostile" country like China as a base support for such a critical sector of our economy but was scoffed at in certain quarters. Now I have to wonder just how prophetic I was.

Meanwhile, for more direct measures, I suggest "suspending" debt payment on any government securities currently held by China.
Why send them money only to insist they send it back as compensation for unleashing the plague on us only for them to laugh in our faces?
Much the same as I suggest that rather then sending tax money to everyone during the economic shutdown, the government simply cut and suspend tax (and other fee) collection, cutting out the middle man in letting people have more money in their pocket. Even cutting more indirect fees, like all those phone, television, and internet taxes and fees, not to mention gas taxes, and various sin taxes, will go a long way to reducing both everyday costs on people, and long-term corporate compliance expenses.

Posted by: Sam at March 18, 2020 08:42 PM (ohyxL)

379 67 @cenkuygur
My wife is from Taiwan...


Male Order Bride?
Posted by: Hands at March 18, 2020 08:40 PM (786Ro)

He's kind of chunky, so more like a mail order bridge.

Posted by: Northernlurker at March 18, 2020 08:42 PM (Uu+Jp)

380 500 people died from COVID-19 in Italy yesterday. This isn't a flu.
Posted by: Ace's liver at March 18, 2020 08:39 PM (wGeit)

No, that's Italy's healthcare system.

I was stationed there. My buddy got in a car wreck, he woke up half way through the surgery where they were putting a pin through his leg.
Afterward, he told me about the cockroaches he'd see crawling up his hospital-room wall.

Granted, that was back in the early '90s, but it really doesn't sound like things have improved much since then.

Posted by: 29victor at March 18, 2020 08:42 PM (BJKQV)

381 "cenk uygur"

Fucking retarded name for a fucking retard. Chink Wagger? Chunk Ugly? Chancre Booger? All better choices.

Posted by: Drink Like Vikings at March 18, 2020 08:43 PM (smxnK)

382 More than 75% had high blood pressure, about 35% had diabetes and a third suffered from heart disease.


===


which is most of US population ( I know, I know, but think about it. How many are in perfect health ?)

Posted by: runner at March 18, 2020 08:43 PM (zr5Kq)

383 One thing I admire the Chinese for. They knew they could spread financial and personal panic about a common cold virus by coordinating with the present day MFM and an extremely gullible populace.

Posted by: Sooner at March 18, 2020 08:43 PM (NjJl3)

384 Ace must be reading my rants the past few mornings!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 18, 2020 08:43 PM (pS94+)

385 But you only get to play this card once, so you better be sure this is the time to play it.



Next time, we will wait for the massive amounts of deaths - and I'm
not sure that isn't the right response anyway. We can mobilize quickly
if needed.

Posted by: SH at March 18, 2020 08:40 PM (sUTds)

---
Why would you think that?

Do you think the number of pandemics is finite? Is there a quota or something?

I personally hope the case numbers crash and we can get back to work.

The market will recover and we will have learned invaluable lessons about how to combat a more lethal strain, should it appear.

The problem with a pandemic is that if you wait too long to figure out if it's "for real" you've already lost.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at March 18, 2020 08:44 PM (cfSRQ)

386

The Operative : Do you know what your sin is Mal?
Capt. Malcolm Reynolds : Ah Hell... I'm a fan of all seven. But right now... I'm gonna have to go with wrath.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - No Coronavirus On Mars! at March 18, 2020 08:44 PM (LJes8)

387 Welp, I'm out of Peanut M&Ms.

Posted by: Weasel at March 18, 2020 08:44 PM (MVjcR)

388 374 All this bullshit makes me want to pound some people's faces in with my bare hands. This is not a healthy thing. So I think I'll go do something else for awhile.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at March 18, 2020 08:42 PM (NWiLs)

use a bat

maybe they'll get the irony

Posted by: REDACTED at March 18, 2020 08:44 PM (rpxSz)

389 377 Here Come the Warm Jets.
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at March 18, 2020 08:42 PM (PUmDY)

See men run.

Run men, run...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 18, 2020 08:44 PM (pS94+)

390 not saying it all gonna die, BTW. just how useful is that analysis.

Posted by: runner at March 18, 2020 08:44 PM (zr5Kq)

391 Meanwhile, for more direct measures, I suggest "suspending" debt payment on any government securities currently held by China.

----------

Dennis Miller had an old joke - I can get rid of the debt in 2 seconds. We owe China money, fuck you we aren't paying it.

It has been the US position to pay off its debt since our founding. It has given us a great credit rating.

But it is a fair question to me - can we not just cancel all debt held by China and China only?

Posted by: SH at March 18, 2020 08:44 PM (sUTds)

392

I'll think of his name in a bit...



Amash.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 18, 2020 08:45 PM (oVJmc)

393 Welp, I'm out of Peanut M&Ms.



time to break out the regular

Posted by: runner at March 18, 2020 08:46 PM (zr5Kq)

394 which is most of US population ( I know, I know, but think about it. How many are in perfect health ?)

Posted by: runner at March 18, 2020 08:43 PM (zr5Kq)

Less than 3% of fatalities were below aged 60. Median age U.S. is 38.1. Does not bode well for older and infirm.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at March 18, 2020 08:46 PM (1CjJc)

395 "How many Polish immigrants to the USA have killed American citizens with bombs? None, because we don't let Muslims into Poland!"


Now that's what I call Zero Tolerance done the right way.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #CancelChina at March 18, 2020 08:46 PM (HaL55)

396 391
But it is a fair question to me - can we not just cancel all debt held by China and China only?
Posted by: SH at March 18, 2020 08:44 PM (sUTds)

China retaliates by embargoing our medicine.
We retaliate by embargoing all food stuffs.
China retaliates by... invading Taiwan?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 18, 2020 08:46 PM (pS94+)

397 369
And does it seem odd to anyone else that the media is just going along
with the narrative from President Trump and his doctors on the
seriousness of this virus and the need to shut down the country?


Posted by: Clyde Shelton, a law abiding citizen at March 18, 2020 08:41 PM (Do5/p)

---
What the hell are you watching?

All I see is TRUMP IS RACIST and STOCK MARKET DEATH TRUMP KILLED IT.


Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at March 18, 2020 08:46 PM (cfSRQ)

398 Very optimistic article on Powerline saying virus may be done in China by the end of March. Maybe this two week hiatus will work.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 18, 2020 08:46 PM (QzF6i)

399 >> can we not just cancel all debt held by China and China only?

We could. Who owns what it well know and tracked. However, the downside is that would be a big event. The US has always, always, redeemed its debt and paid in full. By repudiating it, even selectively, that would cause ramifications. Hey, they actual defaulted on a trillion.

Now, if it's time to go nuclear, then we go nuclear. Repudiating debt would be the nuclear option.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at March 18, 2020 08:46 PM (rCwaK)

400 Nood

Posted by: Cosda at March 18, 2020 08:46 PM (hoBio)

401 I do find it weird that Michigan's restrictions
haven't been in place for a week and people are expecting Road Warrior
societal collapse.

Chill.


Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at March 18, 2020 08:27 PM (cfSRQ)

Justin Amash

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Is Sponsoring Methcalibur - The Musical!! at March 18, 2020 08:47 PM (qobvn)

402 350 Before Wuhan virus, I was actually very unaware of how much the USA relied on China for our medicines. It's been extremely eye-opening and downright terrifying knowing so much of our pharmaceuticals come from this Communist country. I had no clue...and this must change immediately. Our politicians have to be the stupidest people on earth for putting us in peril like that.

Posted by: Lady in Black at March 18, 2020 07:53 PM (JoUsr)


Yes.
I've always avoided food products east of the Nile and south of the Mediterranean. I thought we bought cheap junk and assembled iProducts.
NCoC has been taking us out back in a very nasty way.

Innocence lost.

Posted by: Braenyard wishing all a Happy Apocalypse at March 18, 2020 08:47 PM (7esQ2)

403 All this bullshit makes me want to pound some people's faces in with my bare hands. This is not a healthy thing. So I think I'll go do something else for awhile.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at March 18, 2020 08:42 PM (NWiLs)

use a bat

maybe they'll get the irony
Posted by: REDACTED at March 18, 2020 08:44 PM (rpxSz)


how would he capture a bat ?

Posted by: runner at March 18, 2020 08:47 PM (zr5Kq)

404 But it is a fair question to me - can we not just cancel all debt held by China and China only?

Posted by: SH at March 18, 2020 08:44 PM (sUTds)

--

Write them a bill for the exact amount for this BS.

"Hey, look at that. It's the same number. Wow, you guys are lucky."

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Americans have gone bat soup crazy at March 18, 2020 08:48 PM (tsO04)

405 Amash.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 18, 2020 08:45 PM (oVJmc)



That's him. Thank you Mr. Peebles.


And you just know he's not the only one. These people have no business in DC selling out my life to our enemies for a few pieces of silver.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #CancelChina at March 18, 2020 08:48 PM (HaL55)

406 Wouldn't it be nice, if it were possible, to compare the purported savings from dog food and umbrellas produced in China vs. what the final tally of this health crisis and coming economic meltdown really is? What about the total price, including human economic displacement here and in Europe? And if it is anywhere near what we think, shouldn't the Kochs and Ryans and the Pelosis and The Economist/Atlantic crew be liquidated to pick up the tab?

Some of us bitched three decades about all this, mind you, and were shoved into corners. The ones with real gripes are the steelworkers in Pennsylvania and auto workers in Michigan and manufacturers in upstate New York who were reduced to financial rubble, watched their children work for slave wages and become addicts or otherwise wounded, and now have seen their temporarily prosperous grandchildren returned to poverty.

There has to be a reckoning, and there will be a reckoning. It won't come from the trust fund pseudo-communists who backed Bernie, either. People better pray to whatever gods they worship Trump gets re-elected and has a chance to rectify this bullshit and is successful, because an unleashed hell's a-coming otherwise.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at March 18, 2020 08:48 PM (puu6v)

407 Isn't it currently common knowledge that this virus appeared in China back in mid November 2020? And that's a number the Chinese gave to us so I assume that it's a lie.

That means that this thing was floating around for months before any travel restrictions or any "social distancing" were implemented. And if spreads this fast even with the things we're doing now then why would believe that it wasn't spreading even faster back then?

It didn't start spreading in America when we discovered it here, that's childlike thinking. I assume that millions of Americans already have or have gotten over the virus months ago.

Posted by: 29victor at March 18, 2020 08:48 PM (BJKQV)

408 500 people died from COVID-19 in Italy yesterday. This isn't a flu.

Posted by: Ace's liver at March 18, 2020 08:39 PM

How do we know? How many people in Italy typically die of seasonal flu per year? How many died of H1N1?

Didn't 2,000 people die in France one summer because of an unusually high temperature summer?

We can't look at the numbers in a vacuum. Just like Sharyl Atkinson's research showing that pretty much all the 100+ deaths in the USA have been to the elderly and those with health conditions.

Recall H1N1 where a national emergency was not declared then until 4 months after WHO declared it a pandemic.

There were 22 million cases in the USA between April and Oct of 2009. 22 million. In 6 months. And we didn't shut down.

I am just baffled by what number someone saw that said we needed to shut down the country a few days after the WHO declared a pandemic.

This does not add up.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton, a law abiding citizen at March 18, 2020 08:48 PM (Do5/p)

409 JJ, I like the Spector sound.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at March 18, 2020 08:48 PM (PUmDY)

410 China retaliates by embargoing our medicine.

We retaliate by embargoing all food stuffs.

China retaliates by... invading Taiwan?





Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 18, 2020 08:46 PM (pS94+)

---
This is why I see a lot of upside to this.

We are going to rebuild our domestic pharmaceuticals industry.

That means jobs.

Lots of jobs.

New factories to be built and people must be found to work in them. Good wages for all.

China's trade surplus will disappear.

China's need to import food will not disappear.

They will start oweing us money for a change.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at March 18, 2020 08:48 PM (cfSRQ)

411 Why would you think that?

Do you think the number of pandemics is finite? Is there a quota or something?

I personally hope the case numbers crash and we can get back to work.
---
Because if it doesn't rack up a significant bodycount, something at least bigger than a bad flu, say 100k, the next time you guys cry wolf we're just going to tell you to STFD and STFU.

Posted by: Methos at March 18, 2020 08:48 PM (kOpft)

412 My wife is from Baltimore

she's the first one who will tell you it's a shithole

Posted by: REDACTED at March 18, 2020 08:49 PM (rpxSz)

413 nood, u go now

Posted by: runner at March 18, 2020 08:49 PM (zr5Kq)

414 Probably already mentioned, but:

The only reason jobs were moved to China was that the regulatory environment in this country made it economically viable.

People can talk all they want about cheap labor, but, it still takes quite a bit of time and investment capital for a new factory to be brought online.

And, of course, our government wasn't smart enough, or didn't care enough, to wonder if wholesale shipping of our entire manufacturing sector to a communist country was a good idea.

Oh, and I'd like to know what fool thought it was a good idea to have China make all of our pharmaceuticals.

I understand manufacturing but our drug industry moving to China? Absolutely insane.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at March 18, 2020 08:50 PM (WEBkv)

415 When I think about flu
I touch my face

Posted by: Divinyls re-release at March 18, 2020 08:50 PM (ZBrWm)

416 How do we know? How many people in Italy typically die of seasonal flu per year? How many died of H1N1?


Posted by: Clyde Shelton, a law abiding citizen at March 18, 2020 08:48 PM (Do5/p)

---
It is not a strain of influenza.

This is known. If it was it would be right there in the name.

It is closer to a "cold" which means it can mutate more rapidly. You know how long we've been trying to cure the common cold?

So we are not dealing with a 'flu strain, but rather a *lethal common cold*.

Which means all the confident parallels don't work because it's a different disease with a lot of unknown unknowns.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at March 18, 2020 08:51 PM (cfSRQ)

417 408 500 people died from COVID-19 in Italy yesterday. This isn't a flu.

Posted by: Ace's liver at March 18, 2020 08:39 PM


Italy has a very large population of Chinese.

Posted by: Braenyard wishing all a Happy Apocalypse at March 18, 2020 08:51 PM (7esQ2)

418 My wife's part time consignment boutique job just closed until April due to County imposed shelter-in-place.

She only worked 12 hours a week to get out of the house (and my hair) and do something. She LOVED working there.

The world has gone mad.

Posted by: Dansgirls at March 18, 2020 08:52 PM (V25ON)

419 how would he capture a bat ?
Posted by: runner at March 18, 2020 08:47 PM (zr5Kq)

shoulda known you were lurking around here somewhere

Posted by: REDACTED at March 18, 2020 08:52 PM (rpxSz)

420 410 Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at March 18, 2020 08:48 PM (cfSRQ)

Since Trump is declaring himself a sort of de facto wartime president, he should be using the money to incentivize the relocation and construction of new factories back here.

8-year tax holiday, no red tape, suspension of all EPA, OSHA, etc. regulations.

We have got to mobilize like we did in World War 2. It is THAT crucial.

Also gives us the opportunity to dissolve the bureaucracy, perhaps permanently.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 18, 2020 08:52 PM (pS94+)

421 . Because of
racist assholes like @JohnCornyn @realDonaldTrump, their
classmates are already blaming them for the virus asking if they
eat bats.


Has Cornhole or Trump at any time connect eating bats to coronavirus?

Dollars to donuts, it was the Enemedia who floated that idea out so that their CCP overlords could deflect from any official connection.

Posted by: 🐧 at March 18, 2020 08:52 PM (uYQjf)

422 There was one whose name escapes me at the moment who was once thought of as a staunch conservative ally. He did a 180 faster than I've ever seen before. He turned against the Republicans.


I'll think of his name in a bit...
Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #CancelChina at March 18, 2020 08:41 PM (HaL55)

Justin Amash from Michigan?

Posted by: NaughtyPine at March 18, 2020 08:52 PM (/+bwe)

423 Because if it doesn't rack up a significant
bodycount, something at least bigger than a bad flu, say 100k, the next
time you guys cry wolf we're just going to tell you to STFD and STFU.


Posted by: Methos at March 18, 2020 08:48 PM (kOpft)

---
Crying "wolf" is when you give a false alarm to get attention.

This is not a false alarm.

As for the future, I suspect more robust border controls will become SOP. That will do a great deal to limit the spread.

Even the EU is rediscovering how useful borders can be. Weird.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at March 18, 2020 08:53 PM (cfSRQ)

424 fuck you, you lying sack of shit.



I don't believe a word you say. you make up shit when it suits your story.



go fuck yourself. and fuck you twice for using your kid.



assfuck

Posted by: nurse ratched at March 18, 2020 08:24 PM (PkVlr)

_________


Fuck'n A!

Posted by: ShainS -- Virus Denier at March 18, 2020 08:53 PM (WqPYg)

425 wiki:
Official statistics indicate there are at least 320,794 Chinese citizens in Italy, although these figures
do not account for
_illegal immigration,
_former Chinese citizens who have acquired Italian nationality or
_Italian-born people of Chinese descent.

Posted by: Braenyard wishing all a Happy Apocalypse at March 18, 2020 08:53 PM (7esQ2)

426 Posted by: Dansgirls at March 18, 2020 08:52 PM (V25ON)

sorry to hear that

hang in there, it will get better

Posted by: REDACTED at March 18, 2020 08:53 PM (rpxSz)

427 The only time I had to go in a hole in the floor was at my cousin's wedding reception in France when I was eight. It was at a local chateau. Bathroom was huge, you walked in and it was just a big empty room with a hole in one corner. No sink to wash your hands.

Travel definitely expands your mind.

Posted by: JuJuBee at March 18, 2020 08:54 PM (COzlW)

428 What the hell are you watching?

All I see is TRUMP IS RACIST and STOCK MARKET DEATH TRUMP KILLED IT.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at March 18, 2020 08:46 PM

I'm not watching anything. I get all my news from here.

And all I see here is that the media is attacking Trump on not doing enough, not taking this seriously enough, my governor Whitmer accusing Trump of not acting soon enough, etc.

Look, I admit that I am losing my sanity in all this. I'm stuck at home working from home, single, no family, and have been spending pretty much all day on here and researching viruses and pandemic history. And I can't rationalize the freakout.

Usually I come here to regain my sanity. I'm sorry, I just can't figure this out. I'll stop asking questions and just go to bed.

Have a good night.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton, a law abiding citizen at March 18, 2020 08:55 PM (Do5/p)

429 He's kind of chunky, so more like a mail order FRIDGE
Posted by: Northernlurker at March 18, 2020 08:42 PM (Uu+Jp)

Posted by: Ghost of Qassem Soleimani at March 18, 2020 08:55 PM (TQ70H)

430 Pretty much every retail store in the mall has sent me a notice that they are closing til April. I hardly go to the mall anyways mostly ordering clothes on line. .
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice)

Aww.....whaddya need clothes for ?

Posted by: JT at March 18, 2020 08:56 PM (arJlL)

431 The only reason jobs were moved to China was that the regulatory environment in this country made it economically viable.


Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at March 18, 2020 08:50 PM (WEBkv)

---
It was a combination of factors that included slave wages, the ability to avoid paying unemployment, no permits (just bribes), etc.

As for why, we did it, greed is your answer.

Bipartisan greed. The Chinese paid the Clintons very well.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at March 18, 2020 08:56 PM (cfSRQ)

432 8-year tax holiday, no red tape, suspension of all EPA, OSHA, etc. regulations.

We have got to mobilize like we did in World War 2. It is THAT crucial.

Also gives us the opportunity to dissolve the bureaucracy, perhaps permanently.


Your child-like trust in your government amuses me.`

Any tax abatement, regulation removal, red-tape cutting, bureaucracy neutering or economic policy that would benefit a revival is as sure and dependable as the next election.

When the Communists return to full power in the Executive, they will forever destroy any mechanism that promotes wealth, prosperity and happiness.

Posted by: 🐧 at March 18, 2020 08:56 PM (uYQjf)

433 "383 One thing I admire the Chinese for. They knew they could spread financial and personal panic about a common cold virus by coordinating with the present day MFM and an extremely gullible populace."

It is much worse than the common cold, but, yes, everything else you wrote.

The Chinese also knew D.C. politicians were for sale to the highest bidder and were the highest bidder. Those traitors must be held accountable and be subject to the Day of the Rope or whatever the buzz phrase is now.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at March 18, 2020 08:57 PM (puu6v)

434 >>>"sorry to hear that"

Thx, we'll be fine. She's bummed because she really loves the customer interaction...and cheap high-end clothes she receives on employee discount.

Posted by: Dansgirls at March 18, 2020 08:57 PM (V25ON)

435 317
Passengers of British coronavirus-hit cruise ship evacuate in Cuba



Remember, Cuba has that magic antiviral drug that the Americans
refuse to import, because there would be no profit in it for the
pharmaceutical companies.



Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 18, 2020 08:30 PM (I2/tG)

_________


As some commenters pointed out, that would be the magic antiviral drug that's #1 with a bullet!

Posted by: ShainS -- Virus Denier at March 18, 2020 08:58 PM (WqPYg)

436 "432 8-year tax holiday, no red tape, suspension of all EPA, OSHA, etc. regulations.

We have got to mobilize like we did in World War 2. It is THAT crucial.

Also gives us the opportunity to dissolve the bureaucracy, perhaps permanently.

Your child-like trust in your government amuses me.`

Any tax abatement, regulation removal, red-tape cutting, bureaucracy neutering or economic policy that would benefit a revival is as sure and dependable as the next election.

When the Communists return to full power in the Executive, they will forever destroy any mechanism that promotes wealth, prosperity and happiness."

If the next Democrat president does that, the government will be toppled. Bank it.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at March 18, 2020 08:58 PM (puu6v)

437 Bipartisan greed. The Chinese paid the Clintons very well.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at March 18, 2020 08:56 PM (cfSRQ)


As much as I like him the regulation trough started with Nixon.

Posted by: Braenyard wishing all a Happy Apocalypse at March 18, 2020 08:58 PM (7esQ2)

438 but all of us who have been made fun of for the last 20 years for avoiding buying stuff made in China
TWENTY?
What did the rest of you dislike Nixon for?


Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at March 18, 2020 08:58 PM (8IOEj)

439 And all I see here is that the media is attacking
Trump on not doing enough, not taking this seriously enough, my governor
Whitmer accusing Trump of not acting soon enough, etc.


Posted by: Clyde Shelton, a law abiding citizen at March 18, 2020 08:55 PM (Do5/p)

---
Whitmer's in over her head. Every move she made was forced on her.

She closed the schools only after the universities went to online classes AND parents were pulling their kids out in such numbers that they would have to shut down anyway.

She shut down bars because other states were doing it and they had confirmed cases transmitted through a Burger King and movie theater.

If she'd been pro-active she'd have done it all at once, so she blames Trump because that's why she got elected - on an anti-Trump mid-term wave.

This too shall pass, though. We haven't even gone a week yet. The panic buying will stop, people will adjust and things will calm down.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at March 18, 2020 09:00 PM (cfSRQ)

440 >>>"It is much worse than the common cold, but, yes, everything else you wrote. "

I'm willing to go along with this as long as it's compared to a "common cold".

However in terms of infection rates and death, according to the CDC we aren't even close to FLU numbers yet. Apparently we should get a better idea how this disease is progressing in about another week or so.

Posted by: Dansgirls at March 18, 2020 09:01 PM (V25ON)

441 Seeing how this comment will be somewhere in the 400s, it has probably already been said, but anyone remember when Obama was President and the Chinese hacked our government database and got the personal information on 30 million governmental employees including the military?

Posted by: Darth Randall at March 18, 2020 09:01 PM (QD9b6)

442
Step One in this process should be to get out of Japan's politics and let them re-arm.

They will say that their constitution doesn't allow it.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 18, 2020 08:38 PM (aKsyK)








Tell 'em we're not going to be their mercenaries anymore and see how fast they re-think that Constitution.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 18, 2020 09:01 PM (EGyGV)

443 If our system could handle an average of 160,000
cases per day of H1N1 and seasonal flu, why in the world are we so
freaked out about a few thousand cases of COVID-19?

Posted by: Clyde Shelton, a law abiding citizen at March 18, 2020 08:36 PM (Do5/p)

________


I assume that's a rhetorical question. This has been about getting rid of Trump by the Progda Enemedia from Day One.


This is more than a manufactured crisis -- this is manufactured hysterical insanity. But I think you already know that ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Virus Denier at March 18, 2020 09:02 PM (WqPYg)

444 If the next Democrat president does that, the government will be toppled. Bank it.

Right Now. This very instant.

Your government in league with the Enemedia has terrified the population, destroyed trillions of dollars of wealth, jacked the unemployment rate up over 20%, is on a path to wipe out entire industries that they don't end up nationalizing, has you locked up in your own home, denies churches from assembling, closes clubs, gyms, bars, family reunions and is now going to Zimbabwe the money and most likely let the Federal Reserve own the means of production by changing the rules and allowing them to print funny money and buy equities for pennies on the dollar.

There are trillions of rounds of ammo, hundreds of millions of guns, and not a single one of either has been mustered to stop this most obvious and outrageous Cloward & Piven coup d' gras to the Republic, the Constitution and the Free Market.

Posted by: 🐧 at March 18, 2020 09:03 PM (uYQjf)

445 441
Seeing how this comment will be somewhere in the 400s, it has probably
already been said, but anyone remember when Obama was President and the
Chinese hacked our government database and got the personal information
on 30 million governmental employees including the military?

Posted by: Darth Randall at March 18, 2020 09:01 PM (QD9b6)

________


That's okay -- Obama could do no wrong, and the Chinese are the world's biggest minority who deserve some special consideration from whitey ... or something.

Posted by: ShainS -- Virus Denier at March 18, 2020 09:04 PM (WqPYg)

446 Seeing how this comment will be somewhere in the 400s, it has probably already been said, but anyone remember when Obama was President and the Chinese hacked our government database and got the personal information on 30 million governmental employees including the military?

That wasn't a hack. Some bright spark decided it would be cheaper to outsource management of the systems. A chinese national, living in China, happened to be one of the contractors. How much data he extracted and turned over to his government we'll never know, but "All of it" is a safe bet.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - hiding out in the secret mountain lair at March 18, 2020 09:07 PM (SchxB)

447 Seeing how this comment will be somewhere in the 400s, it has probably already been said, but anyone remember when Obama was President and the Chinese hacked our government database and got the personal information on 30 million governmental employees including the military?

Yeah, whatever. Google, Facebook, Apple, Microsoft, et al had that information and more for years.

The real crime was not the ability to extract personal information, but to insert legends of agents and spies by inventing clearances, scholastic records, resumes and histories that would guarantee employment anywhere.

Posted by: 🐧 at March 18, 2020 09:07 PM (uYQjf)

448 There are trillions of rounds of ammo, hundreds of millions of guns, and not a single one of either has been mustered to stop this most obvious and outrageous Cloward & Piven coup d' gras to the Republic, the Constitution and the Free Market.


And you're doing what now? Other than inciting, that is.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - hiding out in the secret mountain lair at March 18, 2020 09:09 PM (SchxB)

449 She closed the schools only after the universities went to online classes AND parents were pulling their kids out in such numbers that they would have to shut down anyway.

True. Without the head counts, they won't get that Federal money. That is the only reason they care about attendance.

(other than the monopoly on indoctrination part)

Posted by: 🐧 at March 18, 2020 09:10 PM (uYQjf)

450
You think that you can run your economy and food supply systems without Red China's Miracle Chemical, MELAMINE, Round Eyes?

You will regret your choice!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at March 18, 2020 09:14 PM (pNxlR)

451 Amash

Posted by: bongo strums at March 18, 2020 09:42 PM (B+t5k)

452 Admiral Lee commanded the battleship task force at Second Naval Battle of Guadalcanal where USS Washington sank IJN Kirishima.


Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Is Sponsoring Methcalibur - The Musical!! at March 18, 2020 08:07 PM (qobvn)

===========================
Didn't know that. I did know that his Academy nick was "Ching".

Posted by: mrp at March 18, 2020 10:12 PM (Pqytn)

453 Wait. I didn't know that Adm. Willis "Ching" Lee was an Olympic-caliber competitor.

Posted by: mrp at March 18, 2020 10:14 PM (Pqytn)

454 We might suggest kicking China off the UN Security Council. It currently holds one of the five permanent seats, which are held by nuclear-armed nations. Screw them and their nukes. Kicking them off the Security Council would be a tremendous loss of face.

Posted by: Occasional Commenter at March 18, 2020 10:36 PM (Ezw/y)

455 YES. HELL YES FOR CRYING OUT LOUD.
But how will we make the greedy big business and government official whores give up their bonuses and war chests in order to get this done? You watch, when this is over it will be business as usual. And the ones at the top will be scrambling to make up for loss money. Watch.

Posted by: Kitty at March 19, 2020 06:00 AM (NLEnr)

456 Free Trade only works if all variables are equal. If one currency is higher and the is other lower, you don't have parity. Without Parity you don't have Free Trade.

Simple concept.

Posted by: mossomo at March 19, 2020 10:11 AM (JDQjD)

457 Pick up a copy of Free Trade Doesn't Work: What Should Replace It and Why, 2011 Edition Paperback by Ian Fletcher (Author)4.6 out of 5 stars Not an easy read but detailed.

Also read Michael Hudson. The real productive economy vs. the finance economy.

Posted by: eclecticmn at March 19, 2020 07:11 PM (F9rUw)

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